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Joe Rogan Experience #1153 - Macaulay Culkin
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unidentified
boom and we're live And we're live!
joe rogan
Pull this sucker up there.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, a little closer?
A little closer?
joe rogan
Yeah, right about there.
How are you, fella?
macaulay culkin
What's going on?
Fantastic.
How are you doing?
joe rogan
Very nice to meet you.
macaulay culkin
Nice to meet you, too.
joe rogan
You're remarkably normal.
macaulay culkin
Oh, thanks.
I know, people always struck at how normal I am.
I'm just like, wow, really?
I think my reputation...
joe rogan
You made it through the maze of being a famous child.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a very unusual maze.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, my life is unique to me.
That's what I like to say.
I'm almost like a peerless person to a certain extent.
There's not too many people.
I can look left and right.
We have similar experiences.
joe rogan
Yeah, is there anybody that you ever contacted?
Like Jodie Foster or someone who's made it through and seems pretty put together?
macaulay culkin
Not really.
No, not really.
I mean, it's kind of a weird cold call.
It's like, hey...
Jodie Foster.
joe rogan
But I think it's such a small clan of people.
Like if a comic called me that I knew, you know, they wanted to talk to me, I would talk to them because it's such a small clan of people.
macaulay culkin
I mean, we do have our weekly therapy sessions.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, yeah.
Me, Elijah Wood, Jodie Foster, you know, yeah.
Like we all get together and yeah, we weep, you know.
Actually, we do primal screaming.
That's what we do.
joe rogan
I was describing what it was like.
I have a friend, Ricky Schroeder, who obviously was very famous when he was young as well.
macaulay culkin
One of my favorite TV theme songs of all time.
Silver Spoons.
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And I was saying, the way you developed is not like the way the recipe calls.
Like, the recipe calls for you to have a childhood and try to figure out life and then become a man and try to find yourself and then try to find your path.
And by the time he became a man, he was already famous.
And the same thing with you.
You were already famous as you were developing and learning.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you know, yeah.
I don't know exactly how to like kind of even describe it because it's always the way my life has been kind of thing.
In the same way that like a lot of kids like you know they go out and they You know, catch bugs and play sandlot baseball or whatever.
It's just like, yeah, that's the way it is.
You don't really realize how unique the whole situation is until you have perspective.
Because you have nothing to compare it to, really, other than, I guess, TV shows and movies and things like that.
So I knew that my upbringing was unique.
I knew it was different.
But at the same time, it's kind of just, it's not until you get some perspective, some life experience, until you really realize that, oh, wait, this was particularly weird.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think one of the aspects that's particularly weird about it is a lot of kids that grow up famous, they grow up on the set.
And they grow up constantly around people who treat them very differently than everyone else.
It's not just that you're famous.
It's that you're famous and you're also the complete center of attention.
Like, you're the reason why we're here.
We're here to do this television show.
We're here to do this movie.
We're here to do this thing.
You're the star.
And that, I think, for a kid, that's a very strange place to be.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, and especially, like, I mean, I, like, when I was a kid, like, even before I started working, I always liked being, like, the center of attention kind of thing.
I was definitely, you know, I was just...
I was very boisterous.
But in general, I never really liked being fussed over.
I didn't like the hair, makeup, costume people poking at you all the time.
I actually wasn't a huge fan after a while of being that center of attention.
It does become a job after a while.
Early on, you kind of just do what you do.
I was good at it, and boom.
In the same way that you do anything that you like, It's weird that child labor laws don't apply to acting.
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
Do they?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I'm pretty well versed in child labor laws.
joe rogan
Well, how's that work then?
macaulay culkin
It goes from state to state.
They can work you, let's say like in New York, they can work you 10 hours.
joe rogan
Yeah, but stop right there.
They can work you.
You can't get a job if you're eight.
macaulay culkin
That's what their limit is.
At the same time, you have to get three hours of schooling in plus an hour of lunch.
So really, your available window is only six hours or something like that a day.
And also, in that six hours, they're always setting up the lights for the next shot and the hurry up and wait kind of part of things.
That's why the second Home Alone, it took like...
Nearly five months to film because they can only, I mean, virtually every scene, and they can only use me X amount of hours per day kind of thing.
joe rogan
But isn't that the only job that you can work when you're eight years old?
macaulay culkin
I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, you can't be a carpenter.
macaulay culkin
I mean, I guess you can do modeling, you know, but like some kind of performing arts kind of thing.
There are dancers and so forth.
Because I was a ballet dancer before I was an actor.
unidentified
Really?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I did ballet for a number of years.
I'm a classically trained ballerina right here.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Is it a ballerina if you're a man?
macaulay culkin
I say I'm a ballet dancer, but there is a weird ballerino.
That some of them use, and I'm like, I don't think I can call myself a ballerino.
I just can't.
It's too bro-y.
joe rogan
Sounds like it's from Welcome Back, Cotter.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Ballerino.
joe rogan
I'm Billy Ballerino.
macaulay culkin
So I did that for a number of years, and there's a bunch of kids that do that, and you get paid, and you do the work.
unidentified
Wow.
macaulay culkin
So, you know, there are other, I guess, trades.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems like it's only show business, though, right?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I mean.
I think it's more in the performing arts kind of thing.
Like, you know, you don't see a lot of kids working the coal mines anymore.
Like, that kind of thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, for good reason, right?
But some people think that that...
macaulay culkin
It's like my six-year-old's dying of black lung, you know?
joe rogan
Oof.
There's some horrible pictures from, like, the early 1900s of people actually working in the coal mines when they were little tiny kids.
macaulay culkin
Yep, yep.
Yeah, I mean, there are no Newsies anymore, you know?
joe rogan
Did you have any say in whether or not you worked when you were young?
macaulay culkin
Not really, no.
After a while, it became, like I said, a job.
I never chose the projects.
My parents, essentially, chose them for me.
joe rogan
So they were like, good news, Macaulay!
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
You're going to buy us a new house!
Yeah, there you go.
I never read any of the scripts.
I would just read the lines for the next day or whatever.
I would get the gist of what the movie was about.
But then I'd just kind of show up and...
Hit my marks, find my light, you know, and recite my lines.
joe rogan
So surreal.
macaulay culkin
It's kind of just like, again, it's what you do.
Right.
It's in the same way that kids go to school or something like that.
You fall into a routine to a certain extent.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing about the human mind, right?
So flexible.
You could adopt any sort of weird scenario.
macaulay culkin
And especially when you're a kid.
I mean, you can just bounce all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, kids adapt so easy.
macaulay culkin
Exactly, exactly.
And I always had like a good memory and things like that.
Like, you know, I liked, you know, I was...
Big and charismatic, and I had a good memory, so I could remember my lines.
That's pretty much what...
I'm not going to give any advice to any people about, like, you should put your kid into this line of work.
But at the same time, what producers really care about is whether or not you remember your lines.
People never work with kids or animals.
Kind of thing.
All they really care about is you remember your lines, really.
Because apparently that's a problem.
For me, it never was.
If I ever lost my place, I would just see the script in my head and just read it.
I kind of had a photographic memory back then.
Oh, it's faded now.
How old are you now?
I'm 37. I'm about to be 38 in two weeks.
joe rogan
Feels weird, doesn't it?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
My bowels are different.
joe rogan
What's different about your bowels?
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah.
I just got a...
Doing some random checkup kind of thing, and they're like, oh, we should scope you.
I did the scoping in my stomach kind of thing, but I got a colonoscopy.
I was actually hoping, because they were putting me under, so it didn't really matter to me.
joe rogan
They put you under for a colonoscopy?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, at least I had that and a scoping.
joe rogan
I think it's down the throat.
macaulay culkin
I was actually hoping they were going to use the butt one first, and then put it in my mouth.
Why?
Just ass to mouth, boom.
But apparently they use different cameras.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're probably designed different.
macaulay culkin
They don't go as deep, right?
Because they were all worried I might have an ulcer.
joe rogan
Stomach pains or something?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's been a little iffy.
So the good news is I don't have an ulcer.
Bad news is I have two ulcers.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, so I'm dealing with that.
I've had to curtail my lifestyle in general.
I'm eating less red meat, less carbonated beverages, ibuprofen, no more ibuprofen, that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Ibuprofen's terrible for your gut.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
I used to eat burgers every single day, and now I can have two servings of red meat a week kind of thing.
It wasn't too hard for me to curtail my lifestyle.
Smoking less, trying to drink less, things like that.
joe rogan
What's the logic behind red meat less?
macaulay culkin
I'm not the doctor.
joe rogan
Does the doctor have a method to his madness?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's like if you read the list of things that are good or bad for your ulcer.
joe rogan
So things that are aggravated?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
So red meat falls into that category.
joe rogan
But chicken doesn't?
Fish doesn't?
macaulay culkin
Apparently not, or at least, you know, less so.
How weird.
Yeah, because my special lady friend, she was like, you know, worried about me and stuff, so she was reading up on, like, you know, ulcers and things like that, and it was, like, the first, like, it was like seven things that, like...
That flare it up.
And all of them were check marks for exactly what I was doing in my life kind of thing.
Like I said, red meat, smoking, drinking.
I had just had a neck issue, so I was taking a lot of ibuprofen.
And it was just like every single check mark.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've read something about ibuprofen doing it because ibuprofen disrupts gut bacteria, and they believe that gut bacteria...
There was something really recent about that.
A real recent study, they think that they found a new cause for ulcers.
They used to think it was caused by stress.
macaulay culkin
Which can do it, also.
I've just started a new company and things like that, so I have that kind of stress kind of thing.
Like I said, I hit a lot of the checkmarks.
joe rogan
When you say can do it, I think what they were saying was they used to think it can do it, but now they think it's all a matter of bacteria in your stomach.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a big part of it.
Also, if you, like, I did a movie in Thailand, like, last year, and came back, you know, came back with a worm.
So, you know, one of those, like, single cell kind, like, you know, when I was getting the medication for it, I was like, so what do I, what should I expect from this?
And he's like, what do you expect you to get better?
I go, yeah, but like, you know, what's, like, am I going to shit a worm?
Am I going to shit out of it?
And they're like, no, no, no.
This is one of those single cell ones.
But it made me more susceptible to getting ulcers.
joe rogan
Is this because of the antibiotics that you had to take for the worm or anti-worming stuff?
macaulay culkin
I think it messes with your stomach chemistry kind of thing.
joe rogan
And so after that is when you got the ulcer.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
So dealing with it, it's actually not so bad.
joe rogan
So what does it do to you?
What does an ulcer do?
macaulay culkin
You know, sometimes you kind of get a little pain, things like that.
Yeah, like, I mean, at one point I was, like, shitting, like, ten times a day, kind of thing.
You know what I mean?
Like, it was kind of just, like, it kind of loosens your stool a little bit.
unidentified
Oh, weird.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it kind of gets mucus-y.
I mean, I can go into it.
That's what I mean.
You're asking me.
unidentified
I don't mind.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, all right, cool.
joe rogan
It's okay.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I find this stuff fascinating.
joe rogan
It is fascinating.
macaulay culkin
I'm like, what just came out of me?
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Also fascinating, right, when you can't see what's going on.
It's like behind a door.
Like, what's happening in there?
You can't even listen to it.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
And I was like, what was that?
Was that chicken?
I don't know.
Like, which meal was that one?
Like, you know, I'm experimenting with my stomach, seeing what comes out the other end kind of thing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you experiment at all with probiotics?
Did you do anything to try to...
macaulay culkin
No, not yet.
This is a fairly recent thing.
This has only been in the last, not even two months, in the last eight weeks or so.
So I am just kind of easing into this thing.
I have a list.
I made a little list of things that are good for me, to eat, things like that.
Make sure I get some yogurt, lots of leafy greens, things like that.
joe rogan
What is that ribbon on your jacket that you have pinned to the safety pin?
macaulay culkin
It's a participation badge.
Because I participate in life.
Look at me.
joe rogan
Is that what it's for?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I mean, I went to a...
It was a camp, like a summer camp-themed wedding back in, like, almost a year ago.
Something like that.
And so, like, they were giving out participation badges, like, kind of thing, because if you participated in things.
But yeah, no, everyone always asks me about the ribbon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
Because I kind of just...
joe rogan
The safety pin done.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, kind of just, you know, like, I mean, I wear, like, all kinds of things.
But for some reason, everyone's like, What is that?
unidentified
What's that?
macaulay culkin
No, I'm participating in life.
Here I am, aren't I? I'm on your podcast.
joe rogan
You are participating in life.
macaulay culkin
I am participating.
joe rogan
You seem really healthy.
You seem like a together person.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah.
I know.
joe rogan
That's a shocker for people.
macaulay culkin
I guess so.
Usually, for the most part, I'm pretty put together.
I've got a good life now.
I've got a special lady friend.
We have a dog and a cat together.
joe rogan
For a family.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
There's one thing to exchange keys.
It's another to get a cat.
joe rogan
A cat is you can get a cat together, because a cat can kind of go anywhere.
But get a dog together, that's a big one.
macaulay culkin
She already had the dog, but it's a girl.
She's a Shiba Inu.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
macaulay culkin
Adorable.
Looks like a stuffed animal kind of thing.
And then she's black.
And then we got a big fluffy white cat.
And it's like, boy, girl, dog, cat.
Like, you know, yeah.
Like, you know, yeah.
Like, it's...
They're really, really...
And they're adorable.
Like, I've seen dogs and cats play with each other before.
And it's kind of cute.
And these guys play all the time.
It's actually like...
It's a very special little relationship that they have.
That's cute.
Oh, yeah.
No, we never turn on the television.
Like, in our house.
joe rogan
And just watch the cats.
macaulay culkin
We just watch, like, the dog and the cat and stuff.
You know, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you plan on making people?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I'm going to make some babies.
All that kind of stuff.
This one's a good one.
I'm probably going to put some babies in her in a little bit.
We've definitely been practicing.
That's important.
This one, I'm going to have some pretty babies.
She's Asian, so I'm going to have tiny little Asian babies.
It's going to be adorable.
Look at her.
unidentified
Adorable.
macaulay culkin
A bunch of Sean Lennons running around the house.
That's what I'm looking for.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
macaulay culkin
It's funny.
It's almost like I feel entitled to make Asian jokes because I have an Asian girlfriend kind of thing.
I don't think you're loud.
I do it with her all the time, but I don't do it in public.
joe rogan
Don't let anybody know.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, no, no.
It's like, oh, baby, you're my Yoko.
You're going to be my downfall.
joe rogan
You're the most hated person in all of music.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
You used to be able to.
If you were married to an Asian woman 10, 15 years ago, it would be no problem.
macaulay culkin
I think if I have Asian babies, I'd be allowed to.
joe rogan
I don't even think so, man.
I don't even think so.
macaulay culkin
Well, because I'd have to deal with it every day kind of thing.
It's like, oh, well, I can, you know...
I understand the struggle kind of thing.
I'm trying to shield my kids.
joe rogan
Not good enough.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you don't think so?
joe rogan
They don't come after you.
You don't think so?
Yeah, privileged white male, wealthy white male who's famous.
You don't have a chance.
macaulay culkin
I guess I know, right?
joe rogan
Check all those boxes too, buddy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
unidentified
Privileged, blonde-haired, Aryan, male.
joe rogan
Who grew up famous.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
They're just warming their fingers up right now to write blogs.
They'll probably write a blog about you thinking that you can make Asian jokes.
macaulay culkin
I know, I know, I know.
Well, that was one of the things I really loved about her.
I remember when I made my first Asian crack.
And she kind of stopped.
And then she laughed.
She was like, I can't believe you said that.
joe rogan
What was it that you said?
macaulay culkin
I said, you know how I know you're Asian?
She goes, why?
I said, it's the shape of your eyes.
It's a dead giveaway.
And she couldn't stop.
She was like, that's funny.
joe rogan
You're allowed to say that.
You can't say it because of the way you drive, bitch.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, no, exactly.
That would be a real problem.
joe rogan
You have to have a really good sense of humor to accept that one.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And you have a special relationship where you guys talk to each other like that.
macaulay culkin
And it's like, baby, you are such a good driver.
She's like, shut up.
Would you stop with the Asian stuff?
Because she is an excellent driver.
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, you could tell her, you're a really good driver for, you know, because of, you know, whatever.
unidentified
I don't even know why that's weird.
macaulay culkin
Forget I even brought it up.
joe rogan
I'm so not racist, I don't even understand why that's weird.
macaulay culkin
Exactly.
Believe me, I'm pretty relentless.
But her family, they're down with, you know, it's...
I wouldn't even call it a teasing.
It's just like you're just telling jokes kind of thing.
What are you doing?
Because I'm the only white boy, like, you know, whenever we visit the family.
unidentified
What brand of Asian?
macaulay culkin
It's Thai Leotian.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That's exotic.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know.
I know.
Leotian.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I just got back from Thailand.
I was just there.
Yeah, first time ever.
macaulay culkin
That's where I caught my worm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So what is this worm?
Was it under your skin?
macaulay culkin
No, I mean, like I said, it's a single-celled kind of one.
It's in your stomach.
joe rogan
Oh, it was in your stomach?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How'd you know you had it?
macaulay culkin
I had...
A lot of fatigue.
And again, my movements weren't all that great.
Things like that.
And I remember waking up after about a good week or so of it.
We had just wrapped up.
We were there for five, six weeks or something.
So I was back in the States.
I was sleeping like 20 hours a day.
Only waking up to...
To shit, pretty much.
And then, yeah, no, actually, I remember waking up one of those days and I said, I'm pretty sure I have a worm.
Like, it actually just popped in my head.
I go, like, this is probably what a worm feels like.
It was almost kind of a mono-esque kind of, like, you know, fatigue, like that kind of thing.
And so, yeah, no, went there.
Some, like, heavy-duty antibiotics for, like, ten days.
joe rogan
How do they think you caught it?
macaulay culkin
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Oh, you were on heavy-duty antibiotics for 10 days.
That's probably what caused your ulcer.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
macaulay culkin
The worm doesn't help, and then the heavy-duty antibiotics and all that stuff.
It's just kind of like, yeah.
And also, again, lifestyle kind of things.
I can't pound bourbon like I used to kind of thing.
That's kind of the idea.
I think I caught it from a cat.
Because there was actually like a...
We were in a...
It was Kopi P. That island.
And that's like cat island and stuff.
And we had these little bungalows.
And I remember I was like...
We were just kind of checking in.
And I pulled my bag up.
And this little kind of kitten just walked up.
And was just like...
Hey, can I come in?
And they're like, yeah, sure.
Come on in.
I've had a lot of cats in my life and stuff.
So yeah, that little sucker spent a lot of time and things like that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's probably exactly what it was.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, we'd sleep in the bed together and stuff like that.
I'd like zurbert...
joe rogan
You should get yourself tested for toxoplasma.
macaulay culkin
Toxoplasmosis.
I've actually had that before.
joe rogan
Well, you have it then.
You have it for life.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
No, I went through the symptoms.
I caught it from an undercooked piece of lamb, actually.
unidentified
Whoa!
Yeah, yeah.
macaulay culkin
It's one of the four ways you can get it kind of thing.
joe rogan
No kidding.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you can get it from cats, you can get it from undercooked lamb, you can get it through a blood transfusion, and I think the other one is a mother can transfer it to their baby.
Believe me, I went to the whole CDC website and everything.
And that was like mono kind of thing.
A lot of people catch it, but they just have the antibodies for it.
And I was a little rundown.
I was doing a play in London for like 10 months.
And also like kind of going out at night and things like that.
So I think my body was kind of just like not at its strongest.
And boom, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
Like it was that was like mono kind of thing.
And I was totally run down.
It's I got better after about like three months or so, but I didn't get 100% better for about a year.
joe rogan
There was a crazy article just written about toxo that it had some sort of impact on people who start up businesses, that more entrepreneurs have toxoplasmos.
It radically affects behavior, apparently.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
I got it when I was, like, 20. Makes you more risk-taking, more...
joe rogan
Yeah, parasite found in cat poop has been linked to higher likelihood of entrepreneurial behavior in people who get infected.
macaulay culkin
Well, there you go.
I just launched my own website recently and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, so there you go.
I blame the toxoplasmosis.
Have you read up on it a lot?
joe rogan
Have you read any of Robert Sapolsky's stuff?
macaulay culkin
No, no, no.
Not in a while.
Like I said, I caught this in like 2000, 2001 or something.
joe rogan
Robert Sapolsky, he's a professor at Stanford, and he's a biologist, and he specializes in toxoplasmosis and primate behavior and a lot of other different things.
He's a biologist, right?
Discipline?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
But anyway, he's got some amazing talks on it.
You really should listen to it since you have it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's fascinating stuff.
They found a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims, people with motorcycle crashes.
macaulay culkin
Oh, like so risk-taking.
unidentified
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
That's what you were saying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
That's fascinating.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know how it works?
It can only reproduce inside the cat's gut.
And it rewires the sexual reward system of a rat.
So it makes a rat horny when it smells cat piss.
So it completely changes the cat's sexual reward system.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
No, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Excuse me, the rats.
macaulay culkin
That's the evolutionary advantage, you know, for a cat to have it.
joe rogan
Well, far more than evolutionary advantage.
It actually tricks...
The cat into killing the rat and tricks the rat into being horny.
macaulay culkin
No, exactly.
To come around.
unidentified
No, exactly.
macaulay culkin
That's what I mean.
There's an evolutionary advantage to that because if you're a cat and you have toxoplasmosis, it's going to attract your prey to you.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't work that way.
The rat has to be infected.
When the rat's infected, then it smells cat urine and it gets horny.
When the cat's infected, it doesn't do anything to the cat.
It seems to have no change in the behavior of the cat, but then it gets to people.
So it only affects really the behavior of people and rats.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
But yeah, no, I caught it.
I got the antibodies for it or whatever.
It's one of those like forever kind of things, but it doesn't affect me like at all.
Like, you know what I mean?
There's no health issue.
unidentified
How would you know?
joe rogan
Oh, health issues.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It was one of those things where I got sick for a couple of months, and then boom.
Like I said, it was like mono.
joe rogan
I think you said there's a disproportionate number of successful soccer teams that come from countries that have high rates of toxoplasma infection.
macaulay culkin
I should get into soccer.
joe rogan
Well, it's just one of those things.
It changes the way people behave.
Makes them a little wilder.
macaulay culkin
So, you're saying you're interested in some toxoplasmosis?
joe rogan
I might already have it.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, toxo...
joe rogan
I should probably get checked.
macaulay culkin
Toxogandhi or whatever it is.
Mm-hmm.
Toxoplasmosis.
joe rogan
So, what was this movie in Thailand?
macaulay culkin
It was my buddy, Seth Green.
He wrote and directed a movie.
And so...
He asked me to do something in it.
Because I don't really pursue acting at all kind of thing.
And I'm not saying it was a favor or anything like that.
But at the same time, it was like, yeah, sounds like fun.
So it's a cool cast.
It's like him.
He's in it.
Breckenmeyer's in it.
Brenda Song.
Me.
joe rogan
So do you just, like, do whatever you want these days and just occasionally act when it comes up?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, if it comes up, like, you know, if it's a cool, like, neat little gig or something like that, like, yeah, sure.
But, like I said, I don't pursue it in any kind of, like, any way.
Like, I don't have agents anymore and things like that.
joe rogan
Is that because you're just not interested?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, kind of not interested.
I don't really like the pursuit of it.
You know, like, yeah, like, what it takes to...
Yeah, exactly.
I don't like being on the circuit kind of thing.
But yeah, I write a lot.
I paint a lot.
I just kind of always have some kind of projects.
And then also, like I said, we've got the website, bunnyears.com kind of thing.
joe rogan
And what is that?
macaulay culkin
It's a comedy website.
It's pretty much...
Like, you know how all these celebrities, especially, like, ladies, they have those lifestyle websites?
joe rogan
All of them?
macaulay culkin
Well, a lot of them do.
You know, like, yeah, like, Goop, you know, is one of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, the same one that I know of.
Is there other ones?
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, it's, like, yeah, it's, uh...
joe rogan
The Goop one's the most egregious, though.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that's the, well, that's the thing is that, so this is, this is, like, Goop meets The Onion.
joe rogan
Goop is like goop meets the onion.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know.
But accidentally.
joe rogan
They're telling you to put jade balls up your vagina.
macaulay culkin
I know, believe me.
We have an article.
joe rogan
I have sex on a beach in a hot...
Wait, hold on.
What is that?
Just do that thing?
Oh, annoying.
How to have sex on a beach in a hot tub and other things that seemed fun as a virgin.
macaulay culkin
It's Hannah Michaels.
Or Hannah.
She's a fantastic writer.
We have a little scroll and things like that.
joe rogan
So you have a podcast as well?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, we do a podcast also.
And we're revving up some more video content and things.
joe rogan
So this is just a fun project for you.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's got a lot of really great writers, like comedy writers and stuff.
It's kind of just like, oh, there's an article about a jade egg.
Like, oh, I put a jade egg up my vagina and I catch a jade bird.
You know, like that kind of thing.
You know, what to do about your bird living in your vagina now.
It's like, you know what I mean?
We're kind of, like, taking the piss out of, like, you know, some of these kind of, like, lifestyle-y websites.
unidentified
Right.
macaulay culkin
You know, it's like, um, it's like, you know, they'll have articles, like, on Goop about, like, oh, the best Cabernet is, like, for, like, $200 or something like that.
And it's like, ours is, like, the best bourbon's under, you know, $20, but then, like, it turns, like, the spelling gets worse and worse, and then it turns into a rant about your ex-girlfriend.
unidentified
You know?
macaulay culkin
Like, like, like, like, So, like, things like that.
It's some really good stuff.
Like I said, we have a really, really great team of people.
And, yeah, it's kind of, like I said, taking the piss out of things.
joe rogan
Right.
So you just decided to do this just for fun?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I kind of had this idea.
It was kind of, like, kicking it around and so forth.
And then I felt like I kind of accumulated enough ideas.
And then, yeah, then I started kind of Voltroning it.
Like, just grabbing and assembling, you know, like, this project.
This giant robot.
You know, yeah?
So...
There you go.
It's a lot of fun.
It is funny.
Like I said, those articles are really well written.
We have one about...
Do you see Infinity War?
joe rogan
Avengers?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the Avengers one.
joe rogan
No, I didn't see that.
macaulay culkin
Oh, okay.
Good?
Oh, it's fantastic.
It's fantastic.
But we made our own Infinity Gauntlet.
And what happens, spoiler alert, is a lot of the people kind of just vanish.
They kind of just die.
They turn into dust.
joe rogan
In the movie?
macaulay culkin
In the movie at the end.
So when you start reading the article, all of a sudden, all the words just start vanishing.
And then you have to go back, and it's like, yeah, even the letters.
We actually had a, we did one where it was a ransom letter.
One of our writers, she, her father is actually the therapist for Goop, like the actual psychiatrist, the official one.
joe rogan
Goop has their own therapist?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you know.
Yes.
joe rogan
But is it like a weekly advice therapist, or is it just like therapy just for being on Goop?
Like, I know you're here because you're a mess, so here, just read this.
macaulay culkin
Just read this.
joe rogan
We're here for you, hugs.
macaulay culkin
So we got pictures of him bound and gagged, and it's like, Dear Goop, we kidnapped your therapist.
You can only get him back if you give us your seven hot tips for facial washes for this summer.
And you know what?
Good on them.
They responded, and they actually sent us over a list of, like, here are the hot kind of tips.
I was like, you know, good for them.
They had a sense of humor about the whole thing.
joe rogan
I think they have to.
They're called Goop.
macaulay culkin
I know, yeah.
We thought about naming ours Poog.
joe rogan
They'd probably sue.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know.
I was like, no, no, no.
joe rogan
So you're basically financially set from all those movies.
macaulay culkin
I do okay for myself.
joe rogan
But do you just put that money away and just live off the interest?
unidentified
Pretty much.
macaulay culkin
Pretty much.
And yeah, I'm able to...
Kind of live the life that my circumstances afforded me.
Like I said, I'm very, very, very lucky.
Lots of weird things happen to kids all the time, all around the world, every day.
I have something to show for it.
So it's nice.
I can live...
What is it?
My buddy Jack, he goes...
joe rogan
That's a weird way to describe a movie career.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, pretty much.
joe rogan
Lots of weird things happen to kids.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
But I got some money out of it.
macaulay culkin
Look, I'm not working like the diamond mines.
I'm not a child soldier.
You know what I mean?
I came out the other end.
And I have something to show for it.
I do feel blessed every morning kind of thing.
joe rogan
So you're happy that it all worked out that way?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you could go back and do it again, would you do it the same way?
macaulay culkin
Knowing what I know now?
I mean, probably.
Yeah, I'd probably be even more charming.
I'd do it just better.
joe rogan
Well, of course you would, right?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Go back and do it now.
Can you imagine if you could just have your brain in a little kid's body?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know.
I would kill it.
joe rogan
Just run shit in grade school.
macaulay culkin
I would so kill it in school.
joe rogan
Oh, psychological warfare.
They wouldn't know what's coming.
Those little fucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Twist their little brains up in knots.
macaulay culkin
Oh, exactly.
That would be great.
I'm pretty sure that's what Going on 13 was, right?
What's that?
Isn't that a Jennifer Gardner movie?
joe rogan
I have no idea what any Jennifer Gardner movies are.
macaulay culkin
Well, you know, now you do.
Yeah.
joe rogan
30 going on 13. Is that like a brain swap one?
macaulay culkin
Kind of, yes.
unidentified
Her adult brain goes into her when she's 13!
macaulay culkin
Freaky Friday!
So it's kind of a freaky Friday with some time travel, I guess.
So you're going to Netflix it tonight, aren't you?
joe rogan
Nope.
macaulay culkin
I can tell.
I can see it.
You've been thoroughly charmed by Jennifer Gardner, I can tell.
joe rogan
That's an interesting life you have, then.
So you just kind of do whatever you want.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, my friend Jack says I'm a man of leisure.
That's the way he describes my life and lifestyle.
joe rogan
That's a good way to describe it.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's true.
I kind of spent some time just jumping around Europe or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you lived in Paris, you were saying, for a while?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, lived there for...
A number of years.
I mean, I still have my place there.
But since, like, 2013, something like that?
It's only in the last year I've been kind of spending more time in the States.
joe rogan
What was it that brought you to Paris?
macaulay culkin
Well, the food sucks, the wine's terrible, and the women are ugly.
But otherwise, it's fantastic.
No, it was an agreeable lifestyle.
I had a bunch of friends out there.
They were always asking me, When are you going to move to Paris and when are you going to learn French?
joe rogan
Your friends in Paris were asking you that?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
And I was there just kind of like, I was just kind of jumping around a little bit.
And so I thought about it for a second and I went, you know what?
How's next week?
So I said, I'm going to leave my bags here.
I'm going to fly back to New York.
I'm going to put my affairs in order.
And I said, I'll be back next week.
I said, I'm ready to live here.
I mean, I realized that if I could pick up and just move to France on a whim, and it wouldn't affect anyone's life or it wouldn't hurt anybody, I'd be remiss if I didn't.
You know what I mean?
How many times am I like, I couldn't do that now?
But I could do it back then, kind of thing.
unidentified
Right.
macaulay culkin
So I was like, yeah, just fuck it.
I'm going to live in Paris now.
And it was great.
joe rogan
A lot of people have done that.
Johnny Depp lived there for a little while.
I know Richard Belzer lived there for a while.
macaulay culkin
No, it's a special place.
joe rogan
What's special about it?
macaulay culkin
I mean, again, food and wine is fantastic.
The girls are pretty.
It's the leisurely kind of lifestyle a little bit.
I like their eating habits.
It's like a light breakfast and it kind of gets heavier as you kind of go along in the day.
You kind of eat later, which is kind of like, you know, like, oh, you're American.
You must want to eat dinner at like 8. What time are they eating?
Like 10. 10 p.m.?
Yeah, about 10 p.m.
is like, you know, kind of a, you know, an ideal like dinner kind of time.
joe rogan
They don't like to work hard either, right?
macaulay culkin
I mean, no, I mean, they work.
I mean, I think, you know.
joe rogan
But they like to take their time.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, everything is like, yeah, it's like, you know, I'll set up a card game for like 3.30, and 3.30 means like 5. You know, that's just the way, like, everyone's kind of always late, but it's no big deal.
That's the thing.
I remember one time kind of like, oh gosh, like, you know, just like, where are they?
And then I realized, I'm like, wait, what is the hurry?
For real, what is the hurry?
It's not like I have other plans.
My plan is to hang out with you guys.
And all of a sudden, stress would just melt away.
I'm like, yeah, you can just be more leisurely and stuff about things out there.
And everyone's like, like I said, it's really cool.
They like Americans out there.
That's a misconception that they don't like.
They don't like the loud, obnoxious Americans with the, you know, Mickey Mouse t-shirt and the fanny packs and stuff.
joe rogan
Well, we don't either.
Did you say fanny packs?
How dare you?
macaulay culkin
I did.
joe rogan
I have one.
macaulay culkin
That's right, that's right.
joe rogan
They're wonderful.
It's a great way to keep your stuff.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you got a nice, like, leather one.
I use inside pockets.
I got inside pockets.
That's my purse.
joe rogan
Well, that works too.
macaulay culkin
I also have a satchel that I travel around with also.
Oh, a man purse.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Satchel.
Yeah, you know what?
It's actually, I do call it my purse, like, you know, in day-to-day kind of thing, because it's like someone's like, oh, it's a satchel or it's a murse.
I'm like, no, no, no.
It's a purse.
No illusions here, guys.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that you would be insulted or more positive about it if it had a different sound coming out of your mouth?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, right?
And it's like, no, no, no, it's a purse.
joe rogan
It's the exact same thing.
macaulay culkin
It's a purse.
Yeah, it's a purse.
joe rogan
What happened there?
How come we can't have purses?
No one's gonna do that.
There's a few bold souls that will put on a fanny pack and walk out into public.
But there's not a lot of people that will just actually wear...
macaulay culkin
I like how you just called yourself bold.
unidentified
It's a joke.
joe rogan
But there's not a lot of people that would wear...
An actual purse, like a Louis Vuitton purse.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I mean, I'm secure enough in myself and everything.
I can pull off the purse look.
I mean, I wear fingernail polish and, you know, I have a participation badge.
joe rogan
You have like fingernail stripes.
Not all polish, but like a little bit.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I actually do do it on purpose.
They do make my fingers a little too feminine if it's done perfectly.
But I'm actually really good.
When I did that movie Party Monster, I learned a lot of fun makeup-y kind of things.
Ways to make your fingers look like they're two weeks old.
I could have painted these yesterday and they would look like this kind of thing.
Yeah.
I always just liked nail polish, what can I say?
But yeah, I'm secure enough to wear a purse or something like that.
I have no issue with that.
joe rogan
You're allowed to wear a backpack, though.
That's why it's weird.
What's this, Mickey Rourke?
Yeah, he's got a...
What are those called?
A clutch?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that looks more like a clutch.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's so eccentric.
I met him this past weekend.
He had a crazy cowboy.
We're looking at a picture of Mickey Rourke.
He had a crazy cowboy hat on, and he's just...
macaulay culkin
Yeah, he seems like a kook.
I mean, you can see that picture, that belt buckle.
Like, that's something.
Good on him.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's just an odd duck all around.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For some reason it reminds me, it was an old Onion article, and it was one of my favorite headlines, and it was, Johnny Depp found to be 90% scarves.
joe rogan
LAUGHTER Yeah, he got way scarf-y after the whole pirate movie thing.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
He went straight scarf for the rest of his life kind of thing.
He really committed to that scarf thing.
joe rogan
When you're a beautiful man like that, it's an odd transition to being a 55-year-old.
macaulay culkin
What's up with Johnny Depp lately?
joe rogan
Not good things.
macaulay culkin
I know.
It's really strange.
Actually, just this morning...
They delayed or canceled.
He has a Notorious B.I.G. movie coming out that he's in with Forrest Whitaker.
And it was supposed to come out next month.
And they just pulled it from the schedule.
And they haven't even said that it's ever going to come out or something.
And even just looking at pictures of him, there's something off about him.
joe rogan
He's hanging out with Doug Stanhope.
macaulay culkin
That's what it is.
He used to be really great.
joe rogan
Stanhope, what'd you do to him, you fuck?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I don't even know who that is.
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope?
One of the best stand-up comedians ever.
macaulay culkin
Ah, there you go.
I'm more of a Stephen Wright fan myself.
joe rogan
Me too.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I love Stephen Wright.
joe rogan
But I think Johnny's just...
He hit that weird spot where you're just too fucking famous.
You can't go anywhere.
Where you were when you were little, I'm sure, but you can coast now, right?
You can go places.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, like how rich is rich enough?
Like, dude, like, yeah, that's what I mean.
joe rogan
It's not just that, but he spends...
He owns 14 houses.
macaulay culkin
He owns an island.
joe rogan
Millions and millions of dollars worth of art.
macaulay culkin
Didn't he spend like $5 million shooting Hunter S. Thompson's ashes out of a cannon?
They asked him, didn't you spend a million dollars?
He goes, no, of course not.
I spent $3 million.
joe rogan
That's what they asked him about his wine habit.
They said, your attorney said that your wine habit is $30,000 a month.
And he goes, that's an insult.
It's far more than that.
macaulay culkin
It's far, far more than that.
Alright, cool.
I guess he has to maintain that lifestyle that he wants for himself.
joe rogan
That's what he's doing.
That's his life.
His life is spending all that money.
His whole life is doing movies.
That sometimes happens to people, though, also when they're involved in laborious projects that they're not really interested in.
When you're doing something all day, and I say this as a guy who hosted Fear Factor, when you're doing something all day that you don't really enjoy doing while you're doing it, you're like, okay, time to go to work.
I mean, I was very thankful to have the job, don't get me wrong, but the reality is it was not enjoyed.
macaulay culkin
It wasn't a fruitful endeavor.
joe rogan
It wasn't like working for the UFC or doing stand-up comedy or even doing a podcast.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it wasn't a passion project.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
So when you do something like that, like people on bad sitcoms in particular, they spend all their fucking money.
They go crazy.
Because the only thing that they look forward to is, what am I going to do with this money?
macaulay culkin
What's the reward at least?
joe rogan
I'm going to buy a Ferrari.
I'm going to buy a mansion.
macaulay culkin
I'm going to buy an island.
joe rogan
And I think that's what Johnny got into.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I couldn't see myself doing a sitcom or a television show kind of thing.
joe rogan
What about a good sitcom?
macaulay culkin
A good one, I'd do.
Newsradio is a fantastic show.
Thank you.
That must have been a fruitful endeavor.
joe rogan
It's the reason why I never did another one.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You don't want to ruin that experience.
joe rogan
Every other one that came along was like, this is shit.
macaulay culkin
Well, they pursued me for Big Bang Theory.
Oh, Christ.
joe rogan
You got lucky.
macaulay culkin
You escaped that.
And I said, like, no.
I said, like, nah.
Because it was kind of like the way the pitch was.
It was kind of just like, all right, these two, like, astrophysicist nerds.
And then a pretty girl lives with them.
Yoinks!
Like, you know, and like that would...
That was the pitch!
And they were like, oh, we're going to get some real physicists to do the math.
And I said, yeah, no, I'm cool, thanks.
And then they came back at me again, and I said, no, no, no, again, flattered, but no.
And then they came back at me again, and even my manager was twisting my arm.
joe rogan
Come on, I want the piece of this, my colleague!
macaulay culkin
Listen, I'd have hundreds of millions of dollars right now if I did that gig.
At the same time, I'd be bashing my head against the wall.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
I mean, I think that's what Johnny Depp's doing.
I mean, he can't really be into those pirate movies.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, no, he's just, he's interested.
And that's the thing, is that, like, he wasn't always like that.
unidentified
No.
macaulay culkin
But right now, it's, like, all about the money right now.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing.
I read an article, an interview with him, it was about two decades ago, and he was talking about, you know, he was in his 30s, and he was doing a lot of weird, obscure movies.
Like, was that movie Dead Man?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that's right.
Jermush.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He did a lot of weird shit.
And he said, this is kind of what I really like, and I'm not Blockbuster Boy, which is what he said.
Which is so ironic.
macaulay culkin
Which is so ironic.
joe rogan
Because now he's fucking Blockbuster Boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
No, he goes, yeah, if I'm ever part of a franchise, like Just Shoot Me or something like that.
And it's just like, yeah, they're pulling up these weird, like, old quotes.
It's like the George Lucas, like, when he testified before Congress about the colorization of movies and talking about how movies are part of our heritage and, you know, they shouldn't be tampered with.
And then he goes back, like, 25 years later, he's going back and redoing his movies.
It's like, yeah, no, like, once you put art out there...
joe rogan
Leave it alone.
macaulay culkin
Leave it alone.
It's not yours anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
Like, that's the thing.
Like, once you show, like, your paintings, like, that's not yours anymore.
That's the world's.
joe rogan
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
You don't think it's theirs anymore.
macaulay culkin
Imagine if Leonardo da Vinci, like, just all of a sudden came back into existence right now, and he wants to change the Mona Lisa.
joe rogan
Oh, she's fat!
unidentified
Yeah, he's like, I kind of didn't get the, you know, I didn't get the smile right.
joe rogan
I don't like her eyes!
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Look at her hair!
joe rogan
It's all pulled back and shit!
I want to see it!
macaulay culkin
So should he be able to change it?
joe rogan
I want to give her some fucking jewelry.
macaulay culkin
I never finish the eyebrows.
unidentified
I want to give her big tits and I want to push them together.
joe rogan
Come on, let me try.
macaulay culkin
Come on, come on.
joe rogan
Come on, it's my fucking painting.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Leonardo da Vinci is a modern Italian.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know, I love it.
Come on!
joe rogan
I want big tits with fucking glitter.
macaulay culkin
It's like he's living on Mulberry Street in Little Italy.
Hey, pizza!
joe rogan
Yeah, I like fake lips.
That's what I want.
macaulay culkin
Give me some Claims Casino.
joe rogan
Hey, this fucking broad.
Look at her.
Look at her now.
Who was it that proposed that?
Who was talking about that theory that some people believe that Leonardo da Vinci, that Mona Lisa was him in drag?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that it was a self-portrait.
joe rogan
Who was it?
jamie vernon
Callan said that when I was bringing it up.
joe rogan
That's right.
Callan said that the other day.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I've seen those things.
joe rogan
Pull up a picture of him.
This is what we never did.
We only pulled up a picture of the photo.
We never pulled up a picture of him and the photo.
That's fascinating if that really was the case.
If he just decided to paint himself in drag.
macaulay culkin
Well, they found all kinds of things in that painting.
Like, in her, like...
Like, her iris of her eyes, there's actually, like, letters in there and stuff.
Like, really, really tiny, like straight Illuminati.
joe rogan
Fucking demon comes right out of the ground.
I had a dream that demons were real.
Last night, I just remembered it.
macaulay culkin
I just had a dream where I was...
joe rogan
Look how stupid am I? I'm almost 51 years old.
macaulay culkin
Dreams are dreams, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a weak fucking thought.
macaulay culkin
I had a dream the other day where I was the biggest dick in the world.
Like, I was actually just being really rude to everybody.
joe rogan
Here's a drawing of him.
macaulay culkin
Wow.
It's like looking in a mirror.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nailed it, guys.
Oh.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you know, you can kind of size anything into anything.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know about that one.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the head's a little taller.
jamie vernon
It might have gotten confused with that, you know, the drawing of the man in the circle in the square?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's a self-portrait, supposedly.
joe rogan
Well, you know, maybe he just imagined himself as a woman.
I mean, that's not necessarily him in drag.
Like, I've imagined that before.
What would happen if I was born a girl?
What would I look like?
Would I look the same?
macaulay culkin
I just stare at myself naked in the mirror every day.
unidentified
Yeah, I finger back myself, bro.
macaulay culkin
I just go, yeah.
unidentified
Right here, right here.
Yeah, bro.
macaulay culkin
We did it.
joe rogan
Look what I got.
unidentified
I got a little one of these for you.
macaulay culkin
Look what I got for you.
unidentified
Yeah, I dress like a dude just to fuck with people.
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
Look at my titties!
joe rogan
With Michelangelo, I always used to get them confused with Leonardo da Vinci.
Leonardo da Vinci was the one that invented a bunch of shit, though.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, he was the renaissance man.
He was also kind of an engineer.
He actually made, or at least, it was like a tank.
On a plane.
joe rogan
An airplane as well.
macaulay culkin
He actually designed weapons of war also.
It wasn't just airplanes or at least gliders and helicopters and so forth.
joe rogan
But yeah, look at all the different shit that he came up with.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that's his tank.
joe rogan
Wow, so it looks like a spaceship.
macaulay culkin
And you can see there's kind of holes for guns all around it.
And it's like wheels.
That's fucking crazy.
I'm not sure if they actually built it or not.
joe rogan
That's like a kill everybody tank.
They're so nondescript with where those bullets are going.
They're going in 360. 360 degrees.
He's spinning that thing around.
macaulay culkin
But yeah, he or she designed weapons of war.
joe rogan
But those were cannons, it must have been, right?
macaulay culkin
Probably.
That's what it kind of looks like.
joe rogan
They didn't have really guns back then, right?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, there you go.
There's in that design.
joe rogan
Oh, so they're all cannons.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
He was a freak.
macaulay culkin
He was rad, man.
unidentified
He was awesome.
joe rogan
I was hanging out with that guy?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, right?
Just, you know, draw me like one of your French girls.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How weird.
A weird guy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
Michelangelo, it's the Sistine Chapel, and he's actually more of a sculptor than a painter, funny enough.
joe rogan
Look at that crossbow he invented.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, but it's like a giant one.
joe rogan
Like one of the ones that they killed the Smaug with.
macaulay culkin
Look at the one, the multi-gun.
He almost kind of invented a machine gun.
The one left of that.
That's a bunch of gun barrels.
It's a bunch of gun barrels.
It's like the first design for a machine gun, essentially.
It shoots in multiple directions.
joe rogan
I would really love to talk to an extraordinary person from back then.
It must have been so different.
macaulay culkin
Hey, give me some Calam's Casino.
Hey, look at this fucking guy.
Look at the bird.
joe rogan
Look at this airplane thing he made.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, like a glider.
joe rogan
Like to talk to Picasso or to talk to Da Vinci or any of these people from...
Exceptional people from a long time ago.
macaulay culkin
Picasso was my favorite, at least when it comes to his paintings and stuff.
But I heard he wasn't necessarily the coolest person to be around kind of thing.
joe rogan
What was the deal with him?
Crazy, angry artist.
macaulay culkin
He was very aware that he was Picasso.
He was already the most famous painter in the world and he knew it kind of thing.
He actually used to walk around.
He didn't carry money.
Or a wallet.
He'd just carry a pad.
So if you want to get a pack of cigarettes, he'd kind of just like, and there you go.
unidentified
What?
macaulay culkin
So he never had to pay for anything because he was Picasso.
joe rogan
He'd just scribble shit?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
And listen, would you accept that trade?
A pack of cigarettes for Picasso?
Yeah, I'd take that trade.
joe rogan
So are those around?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, he actually has a lot of little sketches all around.
They're actually quite affordable, at least in terms of owning a Picasso.
He was very prolific and just a lot of ink drawings and so forth.
I remember there was the SNL sketch.
It was like Lovitz was playing Picasso.
I think he went around kind of just doing anything he wanted.
And he's like, because I'm Picasso!
And he was just being a jerk to everybody.
You can imagine Lovitz doing that.
unidentified
Because I'm Picasso!
joe rogan
That's a good Lovitz impression.
macaulay culkin
Oh, thanks, thanks.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
He was on news radio for a whole season.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
After Phil.
joe rogan
Yeah, I hung out with him.
He's a good guy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I've always, like, every time I've, like, bumped into him.
joe rogan
Very, very, very nice.
Very nice person.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, really, really sweet.
I ran into him with my buddy Seth Green.
We went to the Pee Wee Herman Broadway show that they had a bunch of years back.
And yeah, I ran into Lovett's there backstage.
So it's like, yeah, just like me, Seth Green, Pee Wee Herman, and John Lovett's.
And I'm like, this is quite a little get-together.
This This is great.
This is a great table.
joe rogan
Lovitz was doing stand-up for a while.
I don't think he's doing it anymore because I don't see him anymore.
But a few years back, he was doing a lot of stand-up.
He even bought a club.
He bought the John Lovitz Comedy Club in Universal.
Universal is the worst comedy club design of all time.
macaulay culkin
Well, you know, it's weird that he was actually able to find a club that was already named after him.
What are the odds?
joe rogan
He bought a place.
It used to be the House of Blues.
No, it was BB King's Club.
It was BB King's Blues Club.
And he turned it into the John Lovitz thing.
And he was...
Wow, that was really interesting.
I'm remembering that I saw...
Sean Penn had that older brother, that big brother that died.
macaulay culkin
Chris Penn.
joe rogan
I saw that guy there play the harmonica.
Hammered.
Went on stage and played the harmonica.
macaulay culkin
Look at me, I'm Chris Penn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was some weird Hollywood thing, and I was like, wow, imagine that.
You're so famous.
You just jump on stage at a blues club and play the harmonica, and everybody's happier there.
Like, how weird.
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
I was hoping it was going to be like Sean Penn jumped up there and did his tight five.
joe rogan
That would be strange.
John Mayer does stand up.
macaulay culkin
I've heard that.
joe rogan
It's very strange.
So if you're on stage here, B.B. King's place, if this was a stage, there would be a balcony, but it would be above you, way up there, right above you.
So you'd have to look up to see the people that are watching.
So they're basically looking straight down on the top of your head.
Worst idea for a comic club design ever.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that doesn't seem right.
joe rogan
Not the worst when you're seeing music.
You don't necessarily have to be as connected to the person's face.
macaulay culkin
I've been to a place where you were literally right over the band.
And that was kind of neat.
Watching the drummer from overhead.
It's kind of neat.
Just watching somebody with a bald spot on the top of their head.
unidentified
Is that it?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that's really close.
Strange.
Hey, look at me!
unidentified
Look at me, being funny at my own club.
macaulay culkin
I'm Picasso!
joe rogan
I imagined it was taller than that.
That's interesting.
My memory is not that good.
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
You're getting older.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, it's just getting weird because it's got too much shit in there.
My brain has too much information.
macaulay culkin
It's like you're running out of room almost.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
I'm deleting space on my hard drive for new things.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then like, seventh grade?
I went to seventh grade?
Tell me more.
unidentified
Oh, geez.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What happened there?
macaulay culkin
Let's get rid of that seventh grade.
We don't need that anymore.
Who needs cursive?
Am I right?
joe rogan
I wonder what John's doing.
I wonder why he stopped doing stand-up.
Because he was actually pretty funny.
And it was weird because he was already famous.
macaulay culkin
And one of the things was like, I had tried to encourage Phil Hartman to do stand-up several times because he would do stand-up where he would warm up We're good to
of all time on that show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was amazing.
And so he was thinking about, what is this?
Two shows tonight.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I don't even know.
joe rogan
Where is he?
Huntsville.
Huntsville, Alabama.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, August 4th.
joe rogan
He's still doing stand-up.
macaulay culkin
Look at that.
joe rogan
He didn't give a fuck.
Look at him out there.
macaulay culkin
Look at him with those glasses.
unidentified
It's great.
macaulay culkin
He looks happy.
He looks happy.
unidentified
He got 14 likes.
macaulay culkin
I'm Jon Lovitz.
unidentified
Look at all the likes.
macaulay culkin
Look at all my likes.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's still doing it.
Interesting.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, good for him.
unidentified
Good for him.
macaulay culkin
Like I said, I've always liked him.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
macaulay culkin
When I did SNL, I think it was the first season where he had just left, I think.
Because I did it pretty much, probably if I had to pick a season, it would have been the one I did.
Because you still had Carvey and you still had, you know, Hartman and Victoria Jackson, the whole kind of group.
joe rogan
I forgot about Victoria Jackson.
She was fucking hilarious.
What happened to her?
macaulay culkin
She's a hardcore conservative now.
joe rogan
What?!
macaulay culkin
Yeah, huge, like, right-wing.
joe rogan
Come on!
macaulay culkin
Right-winger.
She's put on a little weight, you know, but haven't we all?
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
And, like, no, she's actually a hardcore conservative now.
Like, she shouts it from the mountaintops.
unidentified
What?!
joe rogan
What was she like when you met her?
macaulay culkin
She was fine.
I mean, listen.
joe rogan
Was she conservative back then?
macaulay culkin
I was busy doing the show kind of thing.
You know what I mean?
Because it's a lot of work.
Sure.
Not only that, I had to do it without cue cards because my father didn't want me to use cue cards.
So I had to memorize all that stuff.
joe rogan
The fuck, Dad?
macaulay culkin
Plus the skits I didn't even make into the show.
So I had to memorize skits that didn't even end up in the show.
What?
joe rogan
What kind of shit is that, Dad?
macaulay culkin
Like I said, I had a good memory.
And he didn't want me reading.
You can see it.
You can see it when people are reading.
And he didn't want me doing that.
So no cue card.
But also that means the other actors...
joe rogan
No cue card for them either.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, of course not.
Oh, Christ.
I'm sure my father made a lot of friends that weekend.
joe rogan
Well, that's fucked up.
How can he dictate whether or not the other actors get cue cards?
macaulay culkin
I don't know.
Because apparently he could.
joe rogan
Victoria Jackson's a hardcore conservative.
unidentified
That's so strange to me.
macaulay culkin
Like I said, she shouts it from the mountaintops.
joe rogan
Like she's active.
macaulay culkin
So it was that whole kind of group, that kind of late 80s group.
But then also it was Mike Myers' second season.
It was Schneider, Sandler, Chris Rock.
It was that kind of overlap here.
So it actually got a really good group.
joe rogan
No, that's awesome.
macaulay culkin
That was neat.
joe rogan
It's always weird when someone from a TV show gets really political.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Like Chuck Woolery from The Love Connection.
macaulay culkin
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
That guy is...
He's so fucking crazy conservative.
macaulay culkin
Oh, really?
joe rogan
It's nuts.
Yeah, his Twitter feed.
I go to his Twitter feed every now and then just to see what crazy old men conservatives are really interested in.
macaulay culkin
How often does he use the term fake news?
Fake news and the libs...
joe rogan
And the Dems.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Dems and the Libs.
macaulay culkin
The alt-rate.
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently he's got a radio show.
We Make Sense, one of those things.
No nonsense.
jamie vernon
Blunt-forced truth.
joe rogan
Blunt Force Truth.
macaulay culkin
There it is.
Blunt Force Truth.
joe rogan
You damn liberals.
macaulay culkin
That sounds like a band from Brooklyn.
joe rogan
Look at it.
3D printed firearms are a concern for crime, but criminals will do bad things no matter what.
unidentified
Find out more by listening to Blunt Force Truth.
joe rogan
Look at that.
unidentified
It's hashtag BFT. Wow, he's pushing that now.
joe rogan
We should listen to some of that, just for he-he's and ha-ha's.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know, right?
joe rogan
You should also follow James Woods.
macaulay culkin
Oh goodness, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It says it right there, right next to you.
If you like this, you like that.
macaulay culkin
You like old dudes.
joe rogan
Old dudes who want to put up giant gates.
macaulay culkin
And they're going to make it solar, too.
joe rogan
What happened to actor Peter Fonda?
He's super conservative, too, now, isn't he?
macaulay culkin
I don't know that one.
joe rogan
Urges Democrats to commit voter fraud.
Oh, the opposite.
macaulay culkin
No, I think it's the opposite, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a super, super Democrat.
Is that right?
macaulay culkin
Oh, Rosie.
joe rogan
Turns feud with Trump into activism.
Bitter Rosie.
All caps.
Trump rallies aren't real.
His supporters are paid.
Blood force truth.
macaulay culkin
Blood force truth.
Just look at you.
Oh, look at that.
That's some journalistic integrity from Chuck Woolery.
joe rogan
That's his whole thing.
unidentified
His whole thing, though.
joe rogan
His whole thing is that now.
I think he lives in Texas or something.
I think he escaped California and all the crazy libs.
unidentified
We'll be right back in 2 and 2. Yeah, 2 and 2. I forget the name of that show.
macaulay culkin
I remember I used to like it, the one on the Game Show Network.
The one with all the boxes, and it was like letters and stuff.
Fuck, I forget the name of it.
What's that?
jamie vernon
He hosted so many shows.
macaulay culkin
Did he?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I only remember the Love Connection.
jamie vernon
He had like 10 maybe.
unidentified
Really?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the Game Show Network, yeah, like when that launched.
They're like, yeah, we can get Chuck Woolery.
So, why not?
joe rogan
Well, I'll go on if you let me talk about the damn libs.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You know, Trebek was busy.
He's already busy on his own thing, but we can get Woolery.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
How weird.
macaulay culkin
And what was the guy?
jamie vernon
Scrabble.
Or Lingo too.
macaulay culkin
Lingo.
There we go.
That's the show.
joe rogan
Hey!
macaulay culkin
Welcome back.
joe rogan
I've got a tie and cue cards.
Look at that.
What is it?
It's an E. Oh, look at that.
Look at those two dorks.
I'm wearing sunglasses inside.
unidentified
I'm on TV. So much judgment.
macaulay culkin
Dude, look at those assholes.
unidentified
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's fun to do.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun to be judgy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
It's fun.
It's fun.
I actually kind of need to pee.
joe rogan
Is that okay?
Yeah, go pee, man.
Don't worry about it.
macaulay culkin
Are we live?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't matter.
macaulay culkin
I'm going to go pee, guys.
joe rogan
Just go pee, dude.
We'll talk some shit about Chuck Woolery while you're gone.
Chuck Woolery, Naturally Stoned.
macaulay culkin
Go vamp.
joe rogan
He did a show called Naturally Stoned?
Come on.
Get the fuck out of here.
He has a what?
macaulay culkin
He has a Sloan.
joe rogan
A song called Naturally Stoned?
Oh.
What is this?
Naturally Stoned, an American reality television show that starred American game show host Chuck Woolery.
Six episodes aired in Game Show Network in 2003 between June 15th and July 27th.
Series centered around Woolery and his family, specifically his personal life and his work as a host of Game Show Network's original game show, Lingo.
The show...
Place strain on both Woolery's workload and his marriage.
jamie vernon
It says the series title is derived from his top 40 song from his band, The Avant-Garde.
joe rogan
What?
He had a sh- What?
What?
What the fuck?
What?
He had a band?
Chuck Woolery had a band?
jamie vernon
American Psychedelic Pop Group.
joe rogan
Get the fuck.
jamie vernon
1967. I gotta play this.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
You gotta find that song.
A psychedelic pop group?
Oh my goodness, Chuck.
Naturally Stoned.
Psychedelics, but natural.
He had a pop band.
Yes.
macaulay culkin
The song was Naturally Stoned.
It was like a Mamas and the Papas-esque, kind of like 60s kind of song.
joe rogan
I think he probably was trying to do it on the natch, though.
Okay, let's listen to some of this.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
That's him right there.
Naturally Stoned.
Honey and Gall.
Who's honey?
unidentified
I gotta pull this out of you.
joe rogan
You gotta pull it off of YouTube, otherwise we'll get pulled.
So the people listening on YouTube, you gotta go Google avant-garde, naturally stoned.
The people that are listening on Google Play and iTunes and all that shit, you can hear this.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, no, it's very like incense and peppermints kind of thing.
joe rogan
It's not terrible.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
macaulay culkin
Like, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, it just got terrible.
Keep going.
Oh my god.
macaulay culkin
Sounds groovy, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like I'm naturally stoned.
unidentified
He's stoned.
joe rogan
Naturally stoned.
macaulay culkin
And there's Chuck.
joe rogan
Wow, look at Chuck up front.
We'll be right back in 2 and 2. Yeah, 2 and 2. He's got wooden beads on.
Is that wooden beads around his neck, too?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They both do.
They're like, look, guys, we got beads on.
We're cool.
macaulay culkin
I feel like I'm at a party on Hate Ashbery or something like that in the late 60s.
joe rogan
I want to find the guy in the back with his hand on his hip.
See what the fuck he's up to these days.
Maybe he's the other guy.
macaulay culkin
That's Pat Sajak.
joe rogan
Pat Sajak.
Honey and Gall.
Like, what is that?
macaulay culkin
I think that's the name of the album.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the name of the album.
macaulay culkin
Oh, I don't know, actually.
No, it's probably the B-side.
joe rogan
Elkin Bubba Fowler.
Elkin's got a duck hunting show on the Sportsman's Channel now.
macaulay culkin
This guy?
unidentified
No, I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
I'm kidding.
What is he doing now?
macaulay culkin
There's a Leonard Cohen thing on there.
jamie vernon
Leonard Cohen album or something.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
macaulay culkin
The avant-garde.
joe rogan
How strange.
There he is.
macaulay culkin
I think Blunt Force Truth is a better name for a band than the avant-garde.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is, right?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, tonight at the pit.
joe rogan
Blunt Force Truth.
You don't want to know the truth, but I'm going to tell you.
It's blunt.
Blunt Force.
What a weird name for a show.
Blunt Force Truth.
macaulay culkin
Spitting hot truth right in your face.
unidentified
Spitting it.
macaulay culkin
Just spitting it.
joe rogan
Spitting hot fire that you don't want to hear.
Top shit.
macaulay culkin
Hot fire.
joe rogan
Wake up, kids.
macaulay culkin
I always loved that line from Chappelle.
It was like, ah, you know, I spit hot fire.
unidentified
And it was just like, as if there's cold fire.
macaulay culkin
I'm spitting hot fire right in your ear.
joe rogan
Cold fusion.
That's so strange, that whole thing, that he was in a band.
macaulay culkin
Yep.
The avant-garde, too.
Gosh, that is so, like, of that era.
joe rogan
It's so funny when those old dudes get, like, real...
unidentified
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Chuck Lurie from 1974. Look at that hair.
macaulay culkin
Check out the Burns.
joe rogan
Very Jay Leno-esque in that photo.
macaulay culkin
Yeah!
joe rogan
Look at him here.
Give me some volume.
Let me hear him sing.
Here he goes.
macaulay culkin
Oh my gosh.
I mean, he definitely has a nice voice.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not a bad voice.
unidentified
Oh, I've heard this song before.
joe rogan
This is a cover.
This is a cover.
You make me so very happy.
Yeah, this is a cover.
Okay, kill this before I die.
macaulay culkin
How do you go from the avant-garde to hosting the dating game or whatever?
joe rogan
Because this isn't good.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, there you go.
That's a weird transition.
joe rogan
Well, he's a handsome guy, probably a good talker, and his agent was like, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, I'm telling you, the music is not your thing.
macaulay culkin
Hosting.
joe rogan
I'm going to give you the blunt force truth.
You don't want to hear it, but I'm going to tell you.
Game show host.
macaulay culkin
He's like, I like that phrase.
joe rogan
You've got to look.
You got a look, Chuck.
The look is game show host.
macaulay culkin
You got it.
unidentified
You have it.
joe rogan
Listen, how about you being on the game show network?
unidentified
What do you think about that, fella?
macaulay culkin
Does anyone actually ever aspire to be a game show host?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
macaulay culkin
I know, but when you're a kid, you know what I mean?
You want to be an astronaut or whatever.
joe rogan
There's got to be someone who watches Price is Right.
macaulay culkin
Zach Morris from Saved by the Bell, he wanted to be a game show host.
joe rogan
But he's not a real person.
macaulay culkin
I know.
I'm just saying.
I'm just making conversation.
joe rogan
Right now, there's some kid right now whose fucking dream you just shattered.
Macaulay Culkin just mocked my dream!
macaulay culkin
No!
You piece of shit!
I was asking a question.
It was a legit question.
Like, you know, like, yeah, do people aspire to be game show hosts?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
macaulay culkin
Because I know in the UK, like, host is a thing that people aspire to be.
unidentified
Right.
macaulay culkin
Like, I ask somebody, what are you doing?
He's like, I host.
I'm like, what does that mean?
They're usually a panelist on a show.
joe rogan
Television presenter.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, a presenter.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yes, a presenter.
jamie vernon
That song actually gave them so much of a hit that they were a one-hit wonder then, and he had to become a truck driver to supplement his income.
He then signed on as a solo artist, had five more songs on his own.
Didn't obviously work out that well.
Then he became the first host of Wheel of Fortune in 1975. What?
macaulay culkin
There you go.
unidentified
What?
macaulay culkin
What do you know?
jamie vernon
Pat St. Jack's been doing it since 1981. That's crazy.
joe rogan
So how long did he do it for?
jamie vernon
Six years.
joe rogan
He did Wheel of Fortune for six years?
unidentified
Jeez.
macaulay culkin
What year did it start?
75. So it was a year after that, after that thing we just watched.
So it was one year later.
I hope he still had that hair, that mane of hair of his.
He still does, I think.
joe rogan
Salt and pepper.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, those little sideburns, the mutton chops.
joe rogan
Old school ones, go down to your job.
jamie vernon
Salary dispute is the reason why it wasn't hosted.
joe rogan
Fucked up, Chuck.
macaulay culkin
And then did it go straight to Sajak?
joe rogan
Imagine if he fucking turns it on and it's still on the air.
He's like, still!
macaulay culkin
Fucking still!
I could've been prison money by now!
My agent's a piece of shit!
joe rogan
That's the blunt force truth.
You wanna know the blunt force truth?
unidentified
I fucked up with my contract negotiations.
macaulay culkin
I have regrets.
That's the truth.
joe rogan
Maybe he didn't want to do it anymore.
Maybe that's what it was.
Contract negotiations.
macaulay culkin
But then he went straight into the dating game or whatever.
joe rogan
It's a better show.
Get to see chicks.
macaulay culkin
I guess so.
joe rogan
They're trying to get laid.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I guess so.
joe rogan
That's what you got.
You got chicks and dudes trying to get laid.
You're a facilitator.
You're putting love together.
macaulay culkin
I mean, you know who got the most action was Richard Dawson.
Family Feud.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
macaulay culkin
He always kissed every lady on the lips.
unidentified
That's true.
macaulay culkin
Even the ones that were underage.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that movie with Richard Dawson?
The guy who was in Hogan's Heroes with him.
What was that fucking movie?
macaulay culkin
Oh, like...
joe rogan
The movie about that guy...
macaulay culkin
That's not Super 8. Something like that.
8mm?
Yeah, it's one of those.
It's not that.
unidentified
16mm?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The movie where...
What was that guy's name?
He was apparently...
He was the guy who was the star of Hogan's Heroes, and then he just became the freak of the week.
He just became a...
macaulay culkin
He was homemade porno all the time.
joe rogan
That's all he did.
macaulay culkin
That's all he did.
joe rogan
And then they think the guy he did porn with killed him.
I believe his murder was never solved, but there was some sort of extenuating circumstances that connected...
His porn buddy.
The guy who was in the movie.
unidentified
I think they...
joe rogan
Maybe that was what they implied in the movie.
I think that was what it was.
macaulay culkin
Well, if it was in a movie, it has to be true.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you know it.
joe rogan
They don't ever lie, man.
macaulay culkin
True crime.
joe rogan
That's the thing about movies.
When they do a story about your life, they don't change shit.
macaulay culkin
Fuck no.
joe rogan
They literally get every word right.
macaulay culkin
Otherwise, they would lose credibility.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's movies where they change shit.
You're like, why did you change that?
They just decide.
Historical things.
macaulay culkin
They always say, oh, it's creative license, or we have to condense things because a person's life is so long, and things like that.
joe rogan
Do you remember that movie about, the movie with, it was with, what's his name from The Office?
macaulay culkin
Carell?
joe rogan
Yeah, Steve Carell.
He played that...
Foxcatcher?
Foxcatcher.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, we were both thinking the same thing.
I was just waiting to get the description, because I was going to say, Foxcatcher?
And he'd be like, no, not that.
joe rogan
That movie's based on two very famous wrestlers, Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz.
And in the movie, they put a ton of bullshit in there.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, I mean, a lot of it.
Mark was furious when the movie came out.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I remember reading that, yeah.
joe rogan
And he went on a crazy, wild Twitter storm.
But then, after the end of the movie, there's a historic moment in that, In that movie, that they just completely made up.
Like, he fought this guy named Big Daddy Goodrich in the UFC. I mean, it's sports history.
macaulay culkin
That sounds like a WWE wrestler.
joe rogan
I know it does.
He could have been a WWE wrestler.
But Big Daddy Goodrich, who's, you know, really a pioneer in MMA fighting, was this...
Big fucking jack black guy who wore a gi.
He wore a traditional karate gi into the octagon.
In the movie, they have him fighting a white guy.
A Russian guy.
macaulay culkin
Whitewashing.
joe rogan
They just decided, they don't want to see black guys.
macaulay culkin
This is America.
We have to fight the Russians.
joe rogan
I was like, why would you change the race and the name of the guy he fought?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, that just seems like weird and like petty almost.
joe rogan
No, you know what it is?
macaulay culkin
It's just weird.
joe rogan
It's just greasy producers who think they're smart.
You've been around them.
You know those fucks.
macaulay culkin
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me more.
joe rogan
Let me tell you.
I'm going to give you the blunt force truth on greasy producers.
macaulay culkin
Right in your face.
Spitting hot fire right in your ear.
joe rogan
Right in your face, you fucking libs.
They just decide they're smarter than everybody, and they know better.
They know how to change history and make it a better show.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
Like I said, it was the 80s, so yes, it has to be against a Russian kind of thing.
joe rogan
It was in the 80s.
macaulay culkin
Well, I'm saying it takes place.
Doesn't it take place?
No, it takes place in the 90s.
Never mind.
joe rogan
90s, yeah.
I think he fought in 1995 or something like that.
macaulay culkin
Because I know Kurt Angle, like I know, trained in that facility, the fox catcher.
Yeah.
A lot of guys did.
He's talked about that.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How crazy that guy was just decided to set up some wrestling things so he could get weird with these dudes.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
He wanted a bunch of strong, sweaty men rubbing up against each other.
I bet you those wrestlers when they're training, I bet you whoever they're training with knows their body better than their wives.
It's a really intimate thing.
I bet you they know every curve of their training.
joe rogan
Hey, you losing weight here, Tom?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
When I cinch this grip around your waist, it just feels like a little easier now.
macaulay culkin
I like it.
That is an intimate sport.
joe rogan
You're putting on some shoulder muscle, buddy.
macaulay culkin
Look at that.
unidentified
Look at this up here.
macaulay culkin
Are you a little sore there?
You know, sciatica?
unidentified
Something's twitching in your buttocks.
joe rogan
Yeah, remember when he was, like, in the movie?
Steve Carell was so good in that movie.
macaulay culkin
I loved him in that, yeah.
joe rogan
God, he played that creep so well, because he played it like a guy who's, like, a loose cannon.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
Creepy, weird, loose cannon.
macaulay culkin
The small, you know, the way he kind of, like, his movements and his speech.
Like, it was good.
It was good.
joe rogan
Remember when he decided he was going to coach?
And coach the wrestlers and show them how to do certain moves?
And everybody just sort of tolerated it?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, they're kind of like, oh, just let him have this one.
joe rogan
So strange.
But what a great scene.
But here's the thing.
That scene was so good.
But now I know you lied at the end.
So I know you lied at the end of the movie.
So now I go, well, did you make up that scene too?
macaulay culkin
It starts losing credibility.
I did watch a doc about that.
I think there's a 30 for 30. About the Foxcatcher Institute or whatever it was.
joe rogan
Well, there was a lot of footage on that guy and Carell fucking nailed it.
macaulay culkin
He nailed that guy.
joe rogan
John DuPont.
unidentified
What a strange, strange guy that guy was.
macaulay culkin
Mr. DuPont.
joe rogan
That's an unfortunate thing about those wrestlers.
There's no real professional venue other than fighting if they want to go into MMA. And he was a coach at Brigham Young, Mark Schultz was, and he fought one time in the UFC and then just stayed...
I don't think they wanted him doing it.
I think that was part of the dispute.
I believe it was Brigham Young.
The school that he was coaching for was like, listen, you want to coach here, you can't be cage fighting.
macaulay culkin
Especially early MMA was not respected at all.
I remember John McCain trying to...
It was a blood sport.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what that was about?
That was about Budweiser.
Because Budweiser sponsored boxing, and MMA was doing very well with pay-per-view back then, and they wanted to stop it in its tracks, and Budweiser was a big part of that, and Budweiser sort of got behind him.
It's all greasy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I mean, the boxing world is so greasy, because I'm a fight fan.
At least, like, boxing, I was always kind of raised that way.
I do follow it.
I've only recently kind of gotten into the MMA kind of stuff.
I've gone to some shows.
Going to see any sporting event is always great live.
joe rogan
Do you go to live boxing matches, though?
macaulay culkin
I haven't in a while, but yeah.
I used to go to...
I saw Holyfield Moore 1. Did you really?
Yeah, I saw Holyfield Bow 1. Wow!
Things like that.
During that kind of peak.
That 90s era.
Did a lot of those.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those were great.
macaulay culkin
But that stuff is so greasy.
I remember the first Holyfield-Lewis, how that ended in a draw so they could double up their money and stuff.
joe rogan
I don't remember that fight.
I don't remember Holyfield versus Lewis at all.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, they fought twice.
joe rogan
Did Lewis win the first time?
macaulay culkin
No, draw the first time.
joe rogan
But should he have won?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
You know, Loser was a great boxer, but at the same time, I just remember being driven nuts, like, where he was, like, where his, like, belt, like, up to here.
Like, it was, like, way past his belly button.
And he's already, like, 6'6 already.
And it's kind of just like, yeah, like, he's wearing that thing too high.
Like, you know, like, he's getting away with murder.
Like, you know, kind of thing.
Yeah, it should have, you know, yeah.
I'm surprised he got away with that, you know, that equipment.
joe rogan
But most referees will tell you, you can hit him here.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, like I said, it was kind of just, it felt like an unfair advantage, especially for a guy who was like, like I said, 6'6".
joe rogan
Already enormous.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you know, so it's even higher than normal.
And that would be a big target for somebody who's like, only like, you know.
joe rogan
So you follow boxing today, though?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
I'm really looking forward.
You know, I want to see Wilder versus Joshua.
Look, that's what I want to see.
joe rogan
I don't think that's going to happen for a while.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
Tyson Fury, though, he's kind of back in the ring.
joe rogan
Tyson Fury might fuck them all up.
That's the problem.
macaulay culkin
I know.
They're all big guys, too.
joe rogan
They are big guys, but Tyson Fury looks fucking fantastic.
There's some footage on his Instagram of him doing pad work, and he's fighting really soon.
macaulay culkin
He just fought a warm-up, some journeyman kind of thing.
joe rogan
But he's got a bout coming up.
Tyson does.
macaulay culkin
I think it just happened.
Or does he have another one coming up?
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure he's got another one.
macaulay culkin
I'm a big Deontay Wilder fan.
joe rogan
I am too.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a wild man.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Unorthodox.
And man, the way he fucking slugs.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Vicious, vicious power.
macaulay culkin
Oh yeah, I watched some of those highlight reels.
He's very dangerous.
Give that guy a seizure.
There was that one where, boom, the guy lands and he's flopping around like a fish.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He hits fucking hard.
macaulay culkin
Because he's like 6'7".
He's a big dude.
joe rogan
He is.
Long, too.
Like, crazy leverage.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, because he really snaps his right.
Like, boom.
Yeah, the recent one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Came back from losing that fight and then stopped Ortiz.
macaulay culkin
I thought it showed that he's got heart.
He's got a pretty okay chin.
He knows how to recover.
joe rogan
Who's your favorite fighter to watch?
macaulay culkin
Right now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
Like I said, I really do love watching Wilder, like right now.
Triple G's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love Triple G. Yeah, yeah.
macaulay culkin
He might be like an all-timer kind of thing.
I just wish he had more comp.
joe rogan
Look how good this guy looks.
Six foot nine.
Give me some volume on this so I can hear this.
macaulay culkin
And he's thick, too.
joe rogan
But he's showing how slick he is, because he's not just big.
He's big and long, but...
He toyed with Klitschko.
Saturday the 18th.
macaulay culkin
He toyed with Klitschko.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Dude, he's fucking good.
And he gives people fits.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the new rumor is supposed to be Wilder vs.
Fury.
Now that Joshua talks of not happening.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
Tyson Fury could fuck up that whole thing, man.
So it's the 18th of August.
macaulay culkin
And they're both a little unorthodox, too, so it'd be actually interesting to see him square off with Wilder.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
And they're both super long.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be very interesting.
macaulay culkin
It'd probably be the first time Wilder's finding somebody who's bigger than him.
joe rogan
Not just bigger, but super slick.
He's going to give them fits.
I mean, look, Wilder can knock out anybody, but Tyson Fury, he'll give you fits.
macaulay culkin
Because Wilder is like, what, like 37-0 with 36 knockouts.
He's only gone the distance once.
joe rogan
I know, it's crazy.
That's a crazy record.
macaulay culkin
Yep.
It's Tyson-esque, like young Tyson-esque, but they're completely different fighters.
Young Tyson was just so tight, and Wilder, he puts his hands down.
He wants to counterpunch.
That's his whole thing.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting is people still don't believe in him.
I had heard that the Anthony Joshua fight, I would think that that would be a pretty evenly matched fight.
macaulay culkin
People are like, no, no, Joshua's heads above everybody else.
I'm not so sure.
He's taking on some good challenges, though.
Joshua can go.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
Don't get me wrong, but he got knocked down by Klitschko.
Tyson Fury toured with Klitschko.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, putting his hands behind his back.
joe rogan
Maybe it was not the same as prepared as Klitschko.
You know, fighters are different for every fighter.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, and Klitschko's aging, obviously, at that point.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I just think that that style, that Tyson Fury style, avoid that shit like measles.
Get away.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, there's a reason why Joshua doesn't want to fight Wilder or Fury.
joe rogan
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
Because also, he is the top draw right now.
Like, he can sell out, like, you know, like, 40-50,000 in his home country.
Whereas, like, Wilder, like, in his home state, he fights a lot in Alabama.
Like, it's like 10,000 or something like that.
unidentified
Right.
macaulay culkin
Like, you know, so Joshua's a bigger draw.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I think Wilder's becoming a bigger draw nationally now.
I think that's also one of the things with boxing.
They're always trying to figure out, when do we make this fight?
Do we make it now, or do we wait a couple of months?
macaulay culkin
Do we wait a year?
Two undefeated champions fight each other.
That doesn't really happen that often, especially in the heavyweight division.
joe rogan
I know.
macaulay culkin
It could be something that's really special.
joe rogan
Someone could fuck up and lose.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Especially.
It could be Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again, where it's like, it happened, but it happened too late.
joe rogan
Right, exactly, yeah.
So, stay the fuck away from Tyson Fury, kids.
macaulay culkin
What did you think about the McGregor-Mayweather fight?
joe rogan
He did much better than I thought he was going to do.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
But I think...
That Mayweather was probably wanting to wear him out and so allowed him to...
But he did catch Mayweather with a very clean left hand.
macaulay culkin
He was rabbit punching the whole time.
That was driving me insane.
Just kept on punching the back of his head.
I'm surprised that the ref...
joe rogan
He was hammer fisting him too.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
You can't do that.
I'm surprised the ref...
Let him get away with murder.
joe rogan
I think he wanted to frustrate him.
I think he wanted to frustrate Mayweather and get Mayweather to try to slug with him.
macaulay culkin
To open up.
Yeah, because Mayweather's defense is super tight.
unidentified
Fantastic.
macaulay culkin
And no, he came in there...
Mayweather fought a perfect kind of fight.
He's like, I'm going to let this guy gas himself out.
And that's exactly what he did.
Because Mayweather's not a knockout artist, but he knocked him out.
joe rogan
He definitely stopped him.
But Conor's not known for his cardio.
He's a fast twitch guy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I think it was when they opened up the books for that fight, it was a thousand to one for McGregor to win by decision.
Listen, I almost put a grand on that just anyway, just on principle.
unidentified
I just won a million dollars.
macaulay culkin
I mean, there's a reason why it was 1,001, but I kind of want to just sit there and turn to my friends like, I think I just won a million dollars.
joe rogan
Do you know how crazy that would be to win a million dollars by putting down a thousand?
macaulay culkin
Like a thousand dollar bet?
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
There's been some crazy, but those bets are nuts.
Like, will it make it out of the first round?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
By decision.
They even have, like, disqualification bets.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
Like, exactly.
I used to play a lot of cards.
I love prop bets.
Just, like, you know, in that moment, it's like, I bet you I can guess within, you know, $100 how many chips are in front of you right now.
Like, you know, that kind of stuff.
Or it's like, alright, like, you know...
Give me a 1 in 10 chance that you pull out a dollar bill from your pocket and whatever the last number is.
If I get it right, you can pay me 10 to 1. Just weird prop bets.
Players kind of go nuts with that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Well, gambling junkies do, right?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Look, I remember I was playing cards at this one club and this guy just was sports betting like crazy.
But now it's like 2 in the morning, 3 in the morning.
And he's looking down and he goes, does anyone know anything about cricket?
And, like, that was the only game that was going on.
There was a cricket game in India.
And he was like, yeah, I'm gonna, like, lay...
I was like, dude, you actually have a problem.
Like, that's, like, you know, yeah.
Like, you have to, like...
Like, that's a problem!
You're betting on cricket!
What are you doing, man?
It's two in the morning!
Anyone know anything about cricket?
joe rogan
Well, that's the crazy thing about those sports books.
You look up and watch that shit.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, here's a bunch of horses!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Who's gonna win?
macaulay culkin
I've actually, I have a buddy who does, like, is into the races and stuff like that.
And, like, he streams it from, like, all...
It is kind of fun.
joe rogan
Horse racing?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
It's kind of like, but you kind of just randomly, like, just like, I'll, sure, number eight.
And then just like, you know, come on, eight.
joe rogan
I knew a guy who got banned for life from chariot races.
For trying to rig a race.
His horse was winning and his horse wasn't supposed to win.
He's literally standing up, pulling back on the reins as his horse was winning.
macaulay culkin
He's like, come on!
joe rogan
He's trying to slow him down.
unidentified
Quit it!
Quit it!
Cut that shit!
macaulay culkin
Cut that shit off!
joe rogan
His name was George the Greek.
That's what he used to call him.
macaulay culkin
Wow.
joe rogan
Guy from Pool Hall in White Plains, New York.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the Greek is like, yeah, because there was Jimmy the Greek back in the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was always trying to, like, he was always telling us.
What is that?
macaulay culkin
It's a little vape.
joe rogan
Oh, no, go ahead.
He was always telling us that he was going to win the lawsuit.
I got a counselor.
Yeah, Kunstler was his lawyer.
I got Kunstler working on the case.
I got this fucking thing.
I got him locked down.
macaulay culkin
Chariot racing.
How do you get into chariot racing?
joe rogan
You gotta be an asshole.
macaulay culkin
I mean, obviously you need...
If it's a sport...
But how do you fall into that line of work?
Or, again, when you're a kid, you're going, when I grow up, I want to be a chariot racer.
joe rogan
Maybe you watch a lot of that movie with...
Kirk Douglas, didn't they?
Spartacus.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Just like imagining himself with a bow and arrow in the back.
joe rogan
Yeah, with those crazy wrist plates.
Wear those big-ass bracelets.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, exactly.
Some Greaves.
joe rogan
That was a crazy movie because if you look at the difference between Spartacus and 300, right?
Yeah.
If you look at Spartacus, they had normal bodies, like guys that just ate toast and didn't work out.
macaulay culkin
Back in the Roman days, I'd be considered tall.
I'm 5'7".
A lot of those soldiers and Spartans and a lot of the Romans, they were like 5'5".
joe rogan
Because they probably had no food.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, there was a lot of malnutrition.
I was going to say malnutrition, but it wasn't straight malnutrition, it just wasn't good nutrition kind of thing.
A lot of salt pork, that kind of thing.
A lot of weird flatbreads.
Not a lot of greens.
A lot of just grain and salted beef.
joe rogan
It was probably really hard to get good food back then.
As you're growing up, you probably were always malnourished.
And no one was fat either, right?
It's very rare that people were fat.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, people were rarely fat.
Well, that's why it's like a fat lady was considered really, really sexy.
Because it showed that she was well fed.
She's got some cash.
unidentified
Exactly.
macaulay culkin
That's why you see the Aphrodite and stuff like that.
It's all very, very curvy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, they went through a whole era where those Rubenesque women, that was the thing.
That's what everybody wanted.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I want to get me a big gal.
macaulay culkin
Some cushion for the pushing.
joe rogan
Now we're in danger, right now.
We're treading in dangerous waters, even talking about that.
macaulay culkin
I know.
unidentified
Do you have photos of Kirk Douglas?
joe rogan
Find Kirk Douglas and Spartacus.
jamie vernon
I was trying to find one comparing them both.
macaulay culkin
Sporadacus.
joe rogan
When you were in Paris, did you know...
Oh, there he is.
macaulay culkin
Ah, look at that.
joe rogan
That looks like a guy who's literally never swung a sword.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, he looks...
He already looks old.
He already looks old there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I bet he was probably in his 30s because people back then just aged worse.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck was going on.
They didn't age good.
macaulay culkin
It was the liquor and the cigarettes.
joe rogan
Cigarettes and the liquor.
Yeah, but you smoke cigarettes and you look fantastic.
macaulay culkin
Oh, thanks.
joe rogan
You look great.
macaulay culkin
I agree.
jamie vernon
What is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, let's take a guess.
Let's take a guess how old he was during Spartacus.
macaulay culkin
That was in like the early...
unidentified
I think he was a hair under 40. I think you're right.
joe rogan
I would go with 37. What is he?
jamie vernon
44. Oh!
joe rogan
So he kind of looks like 44. Yeah.
But not at today's 44. Yeah.
Like Daniel Craig's jacked as fuck.
He's probably like 44. How old is Daniel Craig right now?
James Bond?
macaulay culkin
Doesn't he have some crow's feet or whatever?
Yeah, but he's jacked.
Yeah, he's a thick dude.
joe rogan
What is he?
jamie vernon
He's 50. 50. Wow.
joe rogan
Jacked.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He's 50?
That's right, motherfucker.
macaulay culkin
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Looking good.
macaulay culkin
How old are you?
joe rogan
50. Look at him.
macaulay culkin
You're a big dude.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Jacked.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
macaulay culkin
You're a big dude, but I can take you.
Whoa.
joe rogan
That looks like fucking James Bond to me.
Not all these other pussies.
He's my all-time favorite James Bond by far.
That's a real James Bond.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I know.
I like his steely resolve.
joe rogan
My other favorite James Bond is a potential James Bond.
I don't know if he's a James Bond yet.
It's Idris Elba.
macaulay culkin
Idris Elba.
joe rogan
Because he's jacked and because white people are mad.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a Fantastic Four movie, and they got Michael B. Jordan.
It's like, everyone just calm down.
joe rogan
Look at that right there.
Oh, good lord.
macaulay culkin
Look at his body.
Barf.
Look at that.
He's already kind of got a little...
He's got the beginning of Mantis.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's not bad.
macaulay culkin
Believe me, that's better than my body.
joe rogan
He's not fat.
It's just that he doesn't look like a guy who fought with a fucking sword for a living.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, but that's probably more accurate to what actual Romans look like.
joe rogan
No, not if they were an actual gladiator.
If they were an actual gladiator, they had to swing swords around.
Look at that arm.
Come on, son.
That arm ain't carrying no swords.
macaulay culkin
It's just lean muscle.
It's lean muscle.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wiry, bro.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Look at that one.
macaulay culkin
He's got some veins coming out there.
unidentified
Jacked.
macaulay culkin
Bro, he's jacked.
Yeah, this is Kubrick.
How is Kubrick?
People always forget.
unidentified
Spartacus was Kubrick.
macaulay culkin
Spartacus was Kubrick.
Confirm that, but yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, apparently he hated it, too.
joe rogan
He hated the movie?
Yeah, it's probably one of those things he had to do.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
1960. Yeah, geez.
God, I loved his movies.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, this is actually one of the weaker ones, really.
joe rogan
Did you ever read The Shining?
macaulay culkin
No.
joe rogan
It's really interesting.
macaulay culkin
It's different.
joe rogan
Because Stephen King did not like it.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, the movie.
joe rogan
He did not like the movie.
macaulay culkin
Because they did a TV movie in the early 2000s.
joe rogan
With the guy from Wings.
macaulay culkin
Stephen Webber.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he just decided that, you know, like...
Kubrick had made Jack Nicholson crazy already.
And he didn't like that.
He wanted a guy that was turned crazy by the house.
But how the fuck are you gonna do that in a two hour movie?
macaulay culkin
Do you know what's not scary?
Hedges.
There's a thing.
I bet you if you read it or whatever, it probably seems creepy when he's talking about how the hedges are moving when he's not looking and stuff like that.
But when you physically see it, it's not scary at all.
You know what I mean?
Things like that just don't visually translate.
joe rogan
But it worked in the book.
The book's amazing.
It's a big-ass book, too.
macaulay culkin
Oh, it's Stephen King.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's a big-ass book.
Maybe I'm confusing it with the Dark Tower series.
macaulay culkin
There's also, the stand is really thick, too.
That's a dictionary.
It's a paperweight.
joe rogan
He was, I mean, still is, but so fucking prolific.
macaulay culkin
There's a thing with the mazes.
It's like, yeah, the mazes keeps on changing.
The one that you see in the model there, and the one that exists, and there's also a map on the outside of it, all three of those are different.
joe rogan
Can you climb those bushes and get a look from the top?
macaulay culkin
I think it's kind of more like stems.
I don't think they're like thick branches.
joe rogan
Just hack your way through.
Just walk straight.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
That's true.
joe rogan
What are you, a pussy?
Scared of bushes?
macaulay culkin
What are you, scared of a bush?
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
macaulay culkin
Come on.
Well, the hedges that are moving, you know, in the book.
They're monsters.
joe rogan
They're demon hedges.
macaulay culkin
It's kind of like, you know, these like, like Edward Scissorhand-esque, like kind of like, you know, it's a kitten.
It's like, and then it's like, oh, it's moving when you're not looking.
Like, oh, that's an adorable cat hedge.
joe rogan
That place, that's supposed to be Estes Park?
Is that what it's supposed to be?
That area?
It's supposed to be somewhere in Colorado that's like that.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I mean, I think that's where they filmed it.
Or at least the outdoor kind of stuff.
joe rogan
They filmed some of it, and I think they filmed some of it also in upstate New York.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
And then they did a studio.
I think it was in London.
Usually Kubrick worked out of London.
But yeah, the Overlook Hotel.
There we go.
Actually, it's not called the Overlook in real life, but yeah, it's in Colorado.
joe rogan
That was a fucking great movie.
So creepy and weird.
He did so many of them.
Remember Eyes Wide Shut?
That was another one.
macaulay culkin
That's his last movie.
joe rogan
A lot of people didn't like that one.
I thought that was fascinating.
macaulay culkin
I'm a little soft on it.
At least when it comes to...
It's still great, but I put it lower on my Kubrick list.
Clockwork Orange, 2001. You name it.
joe rogan
During his spare time, he used to do complex mathematics.
macaulay culkin
That sounds about right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That seems right.
He was like a legit genius.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
He has archives in...
I think it's in London.
But there's actually the Stanley Kubrick library.
And you actually can kind of go through his scripts and his notes and all that kind of stuff.
There's a whole archive that's supposed to be kind of pretty neat.
joe rogan
Do you see yourself over making movies?
Like producing or directing or writing something?
unidentified
Maybe.
macaulay culkin
If it peaks my fancy kind of thing.
joe rogan
Peaks your fancy.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, if it peaks my fancy.
Hmm.
I'd be open to doing something like that.
It's a matter of the right kind of thing.
Timing and so forth.
Right now wouldn't be ideal, but a year from now, yeah, it probably might be a little freer.
That kind of thing.
Hopefully the company will be moving on its own by that kind of thing.
joe rogan
Here's something I wanted to ask you about Paris.
This is one thing that I was only there for a short period of time, but one of the things I was shocked by is that All those people are eating bread, and they're all eating cheese and wine, and no one's fat.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
macaulay culkin
Again, it's kind of the way that you kind of eat, how you have a light breakfast but a heavy dinner.
I think that has to do with it.
And also, you can't call yourself a boulangerie, like a bakery, unless you make everything from scratch.
Like, so everything's made from scratch.
And, like, the thing is, is that, like, your, like, baguette will be stale in 24 hours.
Same thing with the croissants.
Like, there's no preservatives in anything.
Like, in general, out there, like, all your food spoils faster, like, in your fridge.
Because, like, yeah, it's, you know, like, it's fresh.
There's no hormones and things or steroids.
joe rogan
He was an oncologist from Paris and he lived in America and he went back to France and brought back cheese because the cheese that he could get over there was not homogenized or pasteurized and it's literally illegal here.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he would have to tuck it in his carry-on or in his checked luggage and just hope that no one would check the cheese.
macaulay culkin
He would check out that wheel of cheese.
joe rogan
Literally, he brought back a wheel of cheese.
macaulay culkin
Excuse me, sir.
joe rogan
And when he served it to us, it was like precious.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
This precious cheese.
I mean, they make raw cheese in America now, but this was...
macaulay culkin
But it's, like, specific and, like, yeah, like, you have to, like, you know, it's boutique-y kind of thing.
It's a very boutique, you know, niche kind of thing.
Yeah.
No, see the thing with, like, their eggs.
Like, they don't refrigerate their eggs over there because it's done in a different kind of process.
Like, I think...
I forget what it is.
joe rogan
Well, I have eggs that I get from my chickens.
I don't refrigerate them.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you know, that's the first thing.
joe rogan
I refrigerate them after a while.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, you can wash them, but I think in America, I think we, like...
I think we hit them with super hot water.
There's a different process than they have in Europe.
So in general, you're not supposed to refrigerate your eggs there.
We're in the States you are supposed to.
And it's just a different process of how things are done.
joe rogan
Yeah, the preservative thing makes a lot of sense.
The preservatives, and I think there's also different shit that's in wheat, and there's different kinds of wheat.
They have heirloom wheat, wheat that's like older wheat before we started messing with it.
macaulay culkin
And also their cattle and things like that, it's grass-fed, whereas in the States it's corn-fed.
And also I just noticed in general out there, I was eating less red meat.
You have a lot more chicken and a lot of pig.
Lots of ham, that kind of thing.
Ham is a very, whether it's dried or whatever.
joe rogan
Those cured legs when they just take that thin slice off the cured leg.
macaulay culkin
I'm actually going there, going back in a couple of days.
Are you going to stay again?
Probably not.
Because I'm going out to Berlin.
I'm doing this thing.
It's called the People Festival.
I'm looking out there.
I'm going to hang out with some friends.
joe rogan
People Festival?
macaulay culkin
It's called the People Festival.
I mean, it's a music fest.
And I know, like, a good, like, 12 or 20, like, of the acts.
Like, they're, like, my friends and stuff.
So I get to, like, go to Berlin, and I'm going to be, like, the roving reporter, pretty much.
unidentified
Oh, really?
macaulay culkin
I found myself, you know, something to do when I'm out there.
joe rogan
For many years?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's going to be, like, podcasting and so forth.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
macaulay culkin
Because there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of, like, cool musicians doing it, so...
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
macaulay culkin
So yeah, I'm kind of flying from LA to New York, spending the night, because I hate taking super long flights, and then New York to Paris.
joe rogan
You are a man of leisure.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, and then Paris to Berlin.
joe rogan
Look at you.
Even when you do that, you tilt your head sideways and throw your hand back.
A man of leisure.
I travel at my whim.
macaulay culkin
I should have a Manhattan in my hand.
joe rogan
Oh, shall we book you a straight flight to Europe?
No.
macaulay culkin
No, of course not.
joe rogan
That's too much time in the air.
macaulay culkin
I like to puddle jump.
joe rogan
I want to go to New York.
I'll go to New York.
unidentified
Perhaps I'll shop.
macaulay culkin
Perhaps I'll shop in Paris.
In Paris.
joe rogan
Go to a cafe.
macaulay culkin
Mm-hmm.
Maybe I'll take the channel to London just for a day trip.
joe rogan
Just for a day trip.
unidentified
I have a fantastic t-shirt shot that I love.
joe rogan
Now, one of the things that people in America that don't go to Paris are worried about is people hear horror stories about the immigration nightmare in Paris.
And that Paris is somehow or another turning into this criminal cesspool because of all these immigrants.
And it's very dangerous there now.
Hence those shootings that you heard about in the...
macaulay culkin
It is actually one of the most ethnically diverse cities in all of Europe.
You see more black people in the first five minutes of being there than you do in the whole of Oslo or Berlin or something like that.
Certainly Oslo, right?
It's culturally and ethnically diverse.
When it comes to all those shootings and things like that, they're guilty of being landlocked.
You know, the UK can kind of control the, you know, the flow of traffic, you know, people kind of coming in and out because they're an island nation.
Whereas like with the kind of open borders that you can, you know, you can buy a gun in Greece and take the train, you know, like all the way over, like, you know, especially when it comes to like the old, like the Balkans or whatever.
Like, you know, there's a lot of leftover Soviet era, like Kalashnikovs.
That's why they always have like these Russian made like guns and so forth.
And yeah, that's what I mean.
It's easier for somewhere like the UK to lock off their borders, whereas France, like I said, it's guilty of being landlocked, essentially.
joe rogan
So you think it's more difficult to secure?
Is that the blunt force truth?
unidentified
Yes, blunt force truth.
macaulay culkin
BFT, bro.
And that's the BFT. Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
People should start using that.
The BFT? That's the hashtag BFT, bitch.
BFT. Got some BFT coming your way.
macaulay culkin
It's like, mmm, delicious.
joe rogan
But the big fear, like the one thing that people are...
Terrified of was that this was going to happen to the rest of Europe that like what what's happened to Paris and Paris is falling apart and you can go through some of the ghetto areas in Paris and You know there was a someone filmed something where a Jewish man walked through these Muslim ghettos and they're screaming out I'm all these anti-semitic things I have not seen that you know, but you know at my neighborhoods are only a couple blocks away from like the Jewish kind of neighborhood That's a good spot to live Heck yeah.
It's always good to live near the Jewish folk.
macaulay culkin
Heck yeah.
joe rogan
They keep it together.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I'm a New Yorker, so I'm like, I'm already half Jewish, you know?
joe rogan
I was in New York recently when we were in Brooklyn, and I was with Ari, my friend Ari, who grew up Orthodox Jew, and he took us through this neighborhood where they have like the crazy Frisbee fur hats on, and all the curls.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, and the payas.
joe rogan
And the fucking, the yarn hanging off their belt.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
All that weird shit.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And, you know, he was basically saying, like, these people, like, they are here, but they're not here.
They don't know what the fuck is going on.
They have no idea who Kim Kardashian is.
They don't listen to any of the music.
They all stick together.
They intermarry.
They marry inside their community.
macaulay culkin
I was just going to say get married young and look at it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so interesting seeing them all walking around the streets.
macaulay culkin
And they have sex through the sheets.
You know that?
joe rogan
Some of them do, right?
Isn't that Hasidic, though?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, there's just a hole in the sheet.
Just throw a sheet over and just perfectly frame the vagina right there.
I'll take care of it from here.
joe rogan
They don't want to touch naked women, right?
Is that the idea?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I think it's a modesty kind of thing.
Kind of like tradition.
joe rogan
You should do that at home just for fun.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
unidentified
It's like, honey, why are there holes in all these sheets?
joe rogan
Jesus wants this.
macaulay culkin
Or no, not Jesus.
joe rogan
Someone else.
God, we killed Jesus.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jesus was a Jew.
It's okay.
joe rogan
It's okay.
So, like, this community that we were driving through is massive.
Like, Brooklyn has...
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I was going to say Brooklyn, like, kind of in the southern kind of part.
joe rogan
Massive community.
I didn't know how big Brooklyn was.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's big.
joe rogan
It's fucking huge.
It really is.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's kind of like you're talking about the neighborhood, like, kind of, like, north of Red Hook, but right there on the river.
Because I walked from my place in, like, lower Manhattan all the way down to, like, Red Hook, like, one day.
joe rogan
How long did it take?
macaulay culkin
Like, maybe about an hour.
An hour-ish.
unidentified
That's it?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I walk at a New York pace.
joe rogan
You must have been sprinting.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I walk at a New York pace.
I'm a walker.
That's how I say so slim.
joe rogan
If you run seven miles an hour, that's like a fairly good clip.
It's got to be more than seven miles.
macaulay culkin
No.
It's not?
No, it's not.
You have to understand, the whole of Manhattan is, I think it's like 14 miles, something like that.
It's 14 by four.
And I'm already living in the southern part.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
It's probably...
I don't know, like about three...
joe rogan
Three miles?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, about three miles.
I walk in about three to four miles an hour.
joe rogan
One of the guys that was there with us, the guy who was driving us, was telling us how Brooklyn is just overwhelmed with building, construction, apartment buildings now, and everyone's moving out of Manhattan and into Brooklyn.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it's...
Because the thing about Manhattan is that it's finite.
joe rogan
Right.
macaulay culkin
So the only way...
Like, yeah, you can build upwards, but you can only do that so much.
unidentified
Yeah.
macaulay culkin
And so a lot of people are getting displaced.
You have to have enough money just to stay on the island of Manhattan.
And even people like that are getting displaced.
It's Brooklyn, Queens, etc.
Hoboken.
joe rogan
The people that I know that live in Manhattan always have this thought in their head that one day they might live in L.A. Like, even Bourdain was saying, ah, sometimes I think about it.
I think about the weather, and I know there's a lot of good things about L.A., a lot of nice places.
macaulay culkin
L.A., I lived here for the better part of eight years, like, in my early 20s and stuff.
And it's, you know, I mean, it makes you soft.
unidentified
Does it?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, I think just, like, with the weather and things like that.
And it's also, like, yeah, the leisurely kind of, like, kind of thing.
Like, there's not a lot of drinking.
It's a lot more smoking weed, just because, like, everyone has to drive, you know, so nobody, like, you know, so everyone just, like...
It went by so fast because there's no seasons.
joe rogan
Right.
macaulay culkin
It's all the same.
So I blinked and it was like, wait, I've been living out here for five years.
Because I'm from New York.
joe rogan
Summer, winter, winter's long.
macaulay culkin
It's one of the few major cities where you have a hundred degree weather shift in one year.
It can be a hundred degrees and later that year it can be zero degrees.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
That's interesting.
macaulay culkin
So it's kind of a harsh kind of climate a little bit.
And the summers, they're like, suck!
Because it's just the humidity.
It just sticks to you.
It's smelly.
I'm not a huge fan of New York in the summer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It gets very piss-like.
macaulay culkin
Yes.
It sticks to you.
It sticks to your hair.
joe rogan
I've never lived in the city, though.
I might have missed my shot because now I'm married and with kids and the whole deal.
macaulay culkin
I'm so sorry.
joe rogan
And a stand-up comedian.
It's a lot of...
The only thing that could possibly make me live there was that I could do stand-up there very easily.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of comedy clubs.
macaulay culkin
Well, I think the island of Manhattan only has like six of them, technically.
unidentified
What?
macaulay culkin
I think it's like five or six.
Six what?
Comedy clubs.
joe rogan
I could name five or six.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's got to be more than that.
macaulay culkin
I don't know.
Because I have a buddy who...
joe rogan
There's the stand.
The cellar has two clubs.
There's Dangerfields.
There's Caroline's.
unidentified
There's...
macaulay culkin
Eastville Comedy Club.
joe rogan
This has got to be more than that.
macaulay culkin
My buddy opened up one in like 2010. Oh, Gotham.
joe rogan
We're already at seven.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
Well, he opened up one like in about 2010 or something like that.
And he was talking about, he goes, actually, there's not a shit ton.
joe rogan
You already said it.
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw that.
macaulay culkin
That's what I mean.
He was actually, he said like, yeah, he goes, when I opened up, there was only like six, you know, like he was like the seventh one or something like that.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It's surprising, at least on the island of Manhattan itself, there's not as many comedy clubs as you'd Do you know, in the turn of the century, the 19th to the 20th century, there was a thousand or close to a thousand billiard halls in Manhattan.
macaulay culkin
Oh, jeez.
joe rogan
That's what men did before video games.
macaulay culkin
Pretty much.
joe rogan
And that's like when men didn't want to have families.
The bachelor life, they would live in these pool halls.
macaulay culkin
I'm going to play billiards.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd gamble.
macaulay culkin
In a smoky, smoky pool hall.
I used to play a lot of pool.
unidentified
Went back to the Lovett's voice.
joe rogan
Picasso!
macaulay culkin
I'm Picasso!
Yeah, there's actually not a lot of billiard clubs there anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few.
macaulay culkin
I mean, I'm saying they do exist, but there's only a smattering of them.
There's only a few bowling alleys.
There's only a few bowling alleys, right?
Yeah.
I think even like Bullmore moved, that kind of thing.
That was the trendy spot.
joe rogan
Those are going to be like...
Croquet someday.
macaulay culkin
We'll play some badminton.
joe rogan
Forgotten era games.
macaulay culkin
Let's play some squash.
joe rogan
Are you enjoying it out here now?
macaulay culkin
Yeah.
I have a good life out here.
I have a really pretty little family.
I've got a pretty girl, pretty dog, pretty cat, and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Everything's good?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, we're going to move.
We're doing a house thing and all that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, you're going to get a house together?
macaulay culkin
Yeah, well, she is.
Are you going to hitch a ride?
Yeah, I'm just going to hitch a ride.
Nice.
joe rogan
Do you have to chip in, or do you just ride in?
macaulay culkin
No, it's on her.
She was already looking.
I think she's in escrow right now, essentially.
It just started today.
joe rogan
But if it goes south, she could just fucking boot you out.
macaulay culkin
Yep, yep.
What'd you do?
I'd get my stuff.
Yeah, I have my place in New York, too.
I bought in the 90s.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Smart.
macaulay culkin
I'm doing okay.
But a proper loft.
I said I had big syndrome.
I saw the movie Big, and I'm like, that's what I want.
So, like, an elevator opens up to, like, a big room, and, like, I have more mannequins than, like, you would, like, think.
Like, we used to have an American Apparel downstairs, and I was walking, like, out one day, and there was just a pile of mannequin parts.
And I was like, oh my god, look, I have to get these!
Like, and it's like...
And then I told my super, because it's in the same kind of building complex, I said, listen, if they're ever going to get rid of any mannequin things, tell them to come to me first.
joe rogan
What the fuck do you do with these mannequins?
macaulay culkin
They closed down, and I have so many mannequins.
It's ridiculous.
Just these mannequin parts.
I have no idea what to do with them either.
I give them away as presents.
Like, here's a leg.
joe rogan
You were talking about all the different little cars that you bought.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
Every time I go to the pharmacy, I have to buy a toy car.
But I try not to double up on things.
So it's like only one ambulance.
Only one fire truck.
joe rogan
Only one Corvette.
macaulay culkin
Now it's getting ridiculous.
But for some reason, I hoard things and I collect things.
And at the same time, I'll figure out what this is for.
I'll do something with those mannequins at some point.
Those are going to pay off, I swear.
joe rogan
That's the kind of shit that drives women crazy.
macaulay culkin
Ladies and gentlemen...
I'm going to say, invest in mannequins.
It's a growth industry.
unidentified
There's a high ceiling on mannequins.
macaulay culkin
I'm telling you, kids.
joe rogan
You think that's a freedom thing where you do whatever you want?
So you're like, fuck it, I'm just going to buy a mannequin.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, yeah.
And when they closed down, it was like, yeah, I got like 20 mannequins.
joe rogan
Did you get them for free or did you have to buy them?
macaulay culkin
No, so they were going to sell them and it was something like, oh, we have like 16 of them.
We'll sell them to you for $500.
And I said, Listen, I said, I could do that, or I could pay you, you know, or I can give you $200 for him, and then give you $200.
Because the place is closing down.
So, you know, the store gets the $200, but then there's another $200 in your pocket kind of thing.
Because the store is closing down anyway.
joe rogan
Look at you, you bargainer.
macaulay culkin
Well, because they're not going to, like, they don't have a job starting next week.
So, like, they really don't care.
So, like, yeah, so I got him for cheaper, like, just by pretty much bribing the dude.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
You should have offered him a drawing.
macaulay culkin
I know.
I'm Picasso!
joe rogan
Look at that, fella.
unidentified
In your face!
joe rogan
Well, listen, man, it was great meeting you.
unidentified
Yeah, it's great meeting you, too.
macaulay culkin
I had a good time.
joe rogan
This was really fun.
macaulay culkin
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
joe rogan
And you're an interesting guy, man.
macaulay culkin
Oh, thanks.
joe rogan
You're very healthy for a guy who's gotten through what you've gotten through.
macaulay culkin
Oh, yeah.
Like I said, it wasn't too traumatic.
unidentified
You did it.
You nailed it.
macaulay culkin
I did it.
Yay!
joe rogan
One more time, your website for people?
macaulay culkin
It's bunnyears.com.
joe rogan
And the podcast?
macaulay culkin
It's a bunny ears pod.
You can get it anywhere podcasts are done.
Like whatever.
iTunes or whatever.
All those things.
joe rogan
They're listening to this.
They know where to get a podcast.
macaulay culkin
My podcasting partner takes care of that.
Go check out our website.
Go check out our Facebook.
unidentified
Yada, yada, yada.
joe rogan
And say hi to you at the Human Fest.
macaulay culkin
People Fest in Berlin.
I'm going to be there.
Thanks a lot, my friend.
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