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July 16, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1144 - Doug Stanhope
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joe rogan
Boom.
We're live.
doug stanhope
Here we go.
joe rogan
Douglas Danhope smoking cigarettes.
doug stanhope
I swore that, you know what, I'm going to smoke outside this time.
Last time I stunk this place up so badly.
joe rogan
It wasn't bad at all.
doug stanhope
No, afterwards, because he kept saying, no, I got this whole system now.
It's not like the old place.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely dissipating.
It's definitely dissipating.
I see the smoke getting sucked away.
doug stanhope
But I remember at the end last time, like, yeah, that didn't work as good as I thought it was gonna.
You really reeked this place up.
joe rogan
Well, it's not perfect.
You know, you're always getting cigarettes, you know?
unidentified
Douglas.
joe rogan
Where do you get that jacket?
doug stanhope
Sugar-free fucking creamer.
joe rogan
Is that sugar-free?
doug stanhope
Yeah, sugar-free.
joe rogan
That can't be good for you.
doug stanhope
Well, now I'm gonna put a splash of whiskey in it just to hopefully kill the aspartame taste.
joe rogan
Kill the effects?
doug stanhope
By the way, I occasionally say this on stage, even when there's no joke, but when I'm just angry about it.
Stevia is an artificial sweetener.
And it's a big scam where there's no artificial sweeteners, because you hate getting that fucking aspartame taste.
joe rogan
Right.
doug stanhope
And then...
But then they have stevia in it because it's natural and it still tastes like shit.
So you're thinking, oh good, it's no artificial sweeteners.
That means it's not, oh it still tastes like shit, but it's natural shit.
joe rogan
Have you ever had Zevia soda?
doug stanhope
No, but I'm assuming it's stevia.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they nailed it.
They figured it out.
They really did.
It's good.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not Dr. Pepper.
doug stanhope
I'm skeptical.
joe rogan
You should be.
You've been burned before.
It's not Coca-Cola, but because it tastes lighter.
I like it a lot, though.
It's good.
I don't think we have any here, do we?
We're out.
We should get some.
But that's one of the stevia ones that's good.
There's different stevia too, like this stuff stevia right here.
doug stanhope
I just generally don't drink things that have sugar or need sugar.
Unsweetened iced tea is fantastic.
Or if it's just juice.
Like, with vodka.
I use vodka soda with just a tiny splash of either grapefruit or...
So there's almost no sugar in it anyway.
I don't drink fucking Coca-Cola.
I'll put a splash in a whiskey, but tiny.
Where if I get fucking hammered on whiskey, I probably drank, you know, four ounces of Coke.
joe rogan
So it's health benefits.
doug stanhope
I just avoid...
joe rogan
Avoid sugar.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It fucks up your whiskey.
How's things in Bisbee?
Are you the mayor yet?
doug stanhope
No, we're trying to find someone to run.
That would be the worst.
It would be like doing a cruise ship comedy.
The worst thing about a cruise ship would be if you sucked, and then you have to be in the buffet line with everyone who saw you suck.
And the whole week you're around people who saw you suck.
That would be the mayor of Bisbee, where half the town hates you.
Because you're not supporting whatever stupid fucking...
And you have to see them at Safeway.
joe rogan
Does your town have a split?
Is there like a conservative side of your town and a liberal side of your town?
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's what makes it work.
But it's not usually your usual dynamic of conservative and liberal.
It's not, we hate queers.
It's, you know, the plastic bag ban.
Well, you can't tell us we can't have plastic bags, but they're bad for the environment.
Well, I don't care, because I'm used to getting a plastic bag.
That kind of shit.
They split over just minutiae and silly shit that bothers you in a small town, and it's hilarious.
joe rogan
How many people in your town?
doug stanhope
5,000.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's so little.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
doug stanhope
Yeah, it's really good.
joe rogan
Do they leave you alone?
Or do people still bother you?
People show up at your house all the time?
doug stanhope
Oh, yeah, but not people that live there.
unidentified
Oh, just people from out of town that know who you are.
joe rogan
I mean, I have my friends that come by.
That's weird too, right?
They know they can go to Bisbee and they can meet Doug Stamboe.
Like, this is the move.
doug stanhope
Yeah, there's no more of that open door football.
We don't even do football parties anymore.
joe rogan
You gave it up?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Is that too weird?
Too many people, even locals.
I just end up hosting the whole time and never watching football.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem, right?
doug stanhope
And fucking clean up.
You have 15 people over.
No one's throwing away their fucking beer cans and shit.
So yeah, there's a lot of dishes.
Or they'd, you know, worse, they'd bring food.
Everyone would bring food after a while.
But then they'd leave the pan.
So you have to scrub a fucking casserole pan and then try to remember who brought it so you can get it back.
joe rogan
That small town living, is that cave still for sale?
doug stanhope
Yes, it is.
You still interested?
joe rogan
Yeah, if everything goes wrong, that's where I'm going.
doug stanhope
God, I found another house that's even better because it's right at the end of the runway of the Bisbee Municipal Airport.
So if you had your own little four-seater Cessna, fucking Bill Burr in his helicopter, it had four airplane hangar parking spaces.
So you could fly in, park right in the house, and it was like 2,900 square feet.
They were asking like 400 for it.
Indoors, it had its own giant airplane hangar that goes right up to a bar where you could make a stage in there and do full shows.
unidentified
Is this it right here?
doug stanhope
That's the one!
joe rogan
So it's right at the airport?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if you hear other people in the middle of the night smuggling in drugs?
unidentified
Go back to that picture.
joe rogan
Dude, that's a fucking nice house.
doug stanhope
That is the runway.
Oh wait, no, that's the highway.
The runway is to the...
joe rogan
Go to the next picture, Jamie?
Look at this.
This fucking house is nice.
doug stanhope
Look at this place.
Bingo's dad, they flip houses, his parents, so they came down and they went through it.
It's fucking gorgeous.
joe rogan
This is only 400 grand?
doug stanhope
You could get it for less.
joe rogan
Wow.
doug stanhope
It's been $4.99.
It's beautiful.
Dad was saying you could probably get it for $3.75.
The only problem is it's county and not city, so it's got septic and shit.
I'm the worst homeowner.
joe rogan
Ever.
doug stanhope
I can't do anything.
And you started putting that, like, septic on me.
joe rogan
I had a septic in one of my old houses, and the pump broke, and then first the toilet bowl started back up, and then the tub started filling up with piss and shit.
Fun times.
It's like all of a sudden, we're in the bathroom downstairs and the tub starts filling up.
I'm like, what in the fuck is going on?
Was this Colorado?
No.
When I was in the hills, I had a house and the septic tank was slightly above the house, so you had a pump to get to the septic tank.
So you'd pump the waste into the tank.
It's not a good idea.
Ideally, they always want the tank to be below, so it's like a natural flow.
So the pump broke.
So the tank started backing up into the house.
Fun times.
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's the things that I couldn't do.
If I did, if I had the money, I would just buy that as, alright, this is our studio.
We don't live there.
Guests can stay here.
We'll make this into a place like this.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
doug stanhope
Yeah, it would be.
joe rogan
Get a fucking airplane, Douglas.
Can you fly?
doug stanhope
No, but I know a pilot.
joe rogan
Ooh, better.
Better than flying.
doug stanhope
He actually has a real gig now.
He would come down, he was a fan, and he would fly into Bisbee from Tucson just to get his hours.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
doug stanhope
To get his commercial license.
And he came to not a Super Bowl party.
The last special I taped, he came down, flew down with a bunch of his friends.
We taped it in Bisbee, my last special.
So the next morning, he flew back over the house, and he had put Stan and Hope under each wing, and he buzzed our house.
joe rogan
It was very cool.
That's awesome.
doug stanhope
But now he's a commercial guy for SkyWest, the Delta partner, and he actually picked me up at the airport when I flew back from Hawaii.
joe rogan
So he was learning how to fly, and now all of a sudden he's a professional?
doug stanhope
Yeah, and that's how he had to build up ours.
So he'd take these...
joe rogan
How many hours do you get before you get to fly a jumbo jet across the ocean?
doug stanhope
I didn't ask him a lot of questions other than, hey, can you fly me to LA like if I needed to?
joe rogan
You want to talk about underappreciated people, the people that know how to pilot the planes.
1,500 hours?
That's it?
doug stanhope
And they make dick for money.
joe rogan
I know.
doug stanhope
You ever read those stories where, like, in New York, where they have these, like, single rooms with, like, eight bunk beds?
joe rogan
It's all pilots living in there?
doug stanhope
Yeah, when they have to lay over because they can't afford.
joe rogan
What is this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
$1,500 for main and $250.
joe rogan
$1,500 for hours?
jamie vernon
Only $250 for commercial, so I think that's non-transporting people, maybe.
joe rogan
$250 of flight time.
That doesn't seem like a lot.
Remember how bad you drived when you were 20?
How bad did you drive when you were 20?
jamie vernon
Pretty good.
joe rogan
It's terrible.
doug stanhope
I remember driving piece of shit cars with no worries.
Now, just to go to the store, I'd go, we're not going to make it.
We're not going to make it in this car.
joe rogan
I used to buy a lot of shitty cars to deliver newspapers in.
So I'd buy a car for like 300 bucks and just beat it into the ground and get rid of it.
doug stanhope
I would do that when I lived on the road and doing triple gigs where I'd have to drive 11 hours from Arizona to...
Southern Wyoming.
joe rogan
And hope the car makes it.
doug stanhope
And you can see the ground through the passenger side.
Floor is rusted out.
You can actually see pavement.
And you drive those cars forever until they died and then hitchhike to the next town and hope you know a comic there that can get you to the city for the gig.
joe rogan
Could you have ever imagined when you were 21 or however old you were when you first started doing The Road, that one day you would look back on those horrible nights with, like, nostalgia?
doug stanhope
I knew it then.
I knew it was nostalgic then.
joe rogan
I didn't.
I was shamed.
unidentified
I didn't, uh...
joe rogan
I just was like, I'm a loser.
I wasn't enjoying it at all.
doug stanhope
I think there's probably a big difference between doing it on the East Coast and Boston and congestion rather than the great wide open of Montana and Idaho.
joe rogan
The shows are probably bleaker, though.
We had shows, you would do a lot of road gigs, but they were good gigs.
The boom of the late 80s, I started in 88, and I started doing gigs on the road, like hell gigs on the road in probably like 89. And there was a lot of gigs back then that were really good.
You would go somewhere, there'd be 300 people, it'd be a great crowd, 150 people in a bar, everybody's there, they love comedy night.
Some of them were really good.
But it's just the never knowing if you're going to make enough money to pay the bills and the stress of being poor.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I didn't have a lot of bills living out of my car.
joe rogan
Well, that's a way to do it.
doug stanhope
There's a lot of downtime and a lot of questionable choices in ladies just because you needed a place to stay for four days before El Paso.
joe rogan
Dangerous gigolo days.
unidentified
The gigolo days of Doug Stanhope.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The travel on the road thing is such a...
You get a view of the country that if you really stop and think about it, like how many different places you've been and your understanding of America.
Like you've been everywhere.
You've been to all the different spots.
Get a chance.
Okay, this is how they rock it over here.
Alright, this is how they do it in Detroit.
This is how they are in New Orleans is different.
Oh, Connecticut's a little different.
And then you put it all together and you get America.
But if you're just like a dude who just like parks it in Columbus, Ohio and fucking that's that.
doug stanhope
And all you know is CNN and TMZ. Fuck!
This is what the country's coming to!
joe rogan
These fucking libs!
These fucking libs with their fucking new rules!
doug stanhope
When you're out amongst people, no one really gives a fuck.
joe rogan
No one gives a fuck.
doug stanhope
It's bar chatter at best, but you never run into people that are actually affected.
joe rogan
Unless you're looking for it.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most of the time it's a non-issue, but it's the most pressing issue.
Because it can shift the country one way or another.
That's what's weird about it.
doug stanhope
But no one gives a fuck about things that actually affect them locally.
The thing that sets that guy off to bitch about Trump or bitch about Hillary is he forgot to move his car on street.
Street sweeping day, but he never goes down to petition city council about, hey, this is fucked up.
The stop sign was obscured, Your Honor, and I wouldn't have run the stop sign, but there's a fucking branch in front of it, and you need to cut that down, and I get a ticket, and I can't afford the ticket, and it's the economy.
Fucking Trump, or whatever.
They just bring it to the highest level.
joe rogan
Well, one of the things that I've realized by talking to people that really understand how things work, like economics, like I talked to Peter Schiff yesterday, the economist.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I had him on my podcast.
joe rogan
Really interesting guy.
doug stanhope
No, no, I didn't have him.
joe rogan
You never had him on?
doug stanhope
No, I didn't have him.
joe rogan
He's a fun guy.
You could talk to him.
doug stanhope
He's never drunk in Bisbee.
joe rogan
He would get drunk.
Yeah, no, he's a really smart guy.
I mean, he's a very successful guy, but he's right there.
He's right there.
Like, when you talk to him, like, first time we did a show, we got drunk.
We decided to have a couple drinks and lighten up, because he was doing this, like, Fox News, CNN thing they do, where they have these five-minute panels.
We just have to rattle off statistics.
You have to tell the people, the problem isn't economics.
The problem isn't...
Like, he's a wizard at that shit.
We had to calm him down.
I'm like, dude, we're here for a long time.
And so let's get a drink.
Let's get a drink.
Had a little Jack Daniels.
Then he loosened up.
He set up a video that said, I'm the 1%.
Ask me anything.
Is that what he said?
Something like that?
So he went to Occupy Wall Street and set up a thing that's just talking to people about economics.
Like, no, no, no.
This is how you think it works.
This is how it really works.
This is what I realized talking to people like that.
There's no fucking way you could be on the ball with all this stuff.
With Congress and the Senate and all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes and the lobbyists, you would have to be fully immersed in it.
You'd have to be fully immersed in it and then fully immersed in the stock market to have any kind of an argument one way or another.
And most people are just having these half-assed, half-cocked, shitty, thought-out arguments about almost everything they talk about.
Including me.
unidentified
Especially on this podcast, many, many times.
joe rogan
But this is something that we...
It's standard.
There's too much shit to know.
There's too much fucking...
When it comes to, like, politics, like, you pretend you understand politics, like, how long have they been trying to unravel this Russia thing?
Like a year?
doug stanhope
I've tuned out completely.
I know I don't know, and I don't care enough to try to learn.
I got to a place, I went through a period of, you know, back in our conspiracy theory days, and then I learned a little bit, but anything that's, I really don't know how government works.
joe rogan
It's so hard to know.
It's so hard to know.
doug stanhope
But I mean, just elementary school fucking, you know, I'm just a bill on Capitol Hill.
I still don't even know what that fucking meant.
I gotta stop talking about shit I don't know.
joe rogan
And you're probably paying attention to it more than most people.
doug stanhope
I was for a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, most people, the president or anybody just represents what they like.
Like, I like a nice guy.
Oh, I like a no-bullshit guy.
Okay.
And then you just find whoever best fits that mold and you support them.
doug stanhope
It's a class president.
Who's the most popular?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's fascinating, though.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I think if...
If Trump was any Republican that wasn't a fucking asshole but stood for the same principles, there would be no outrage.
They hate his personality first, which I'm not against you.
unidentified
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Yeah, he's a fucking loser, but he's the one you created.
We were just talking about, and I mentioned it on stage here and again, that Trump makes me happy sometimes in that He's a product of everything, like, what's that, Le'Veon Ball, that fucking, like, basketball dad?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
doug stanhope
Like, he's famous just because he's a fucking asshole, and he knows, hey, if I keep being a fucking asshole, the more I'm gonna get noticed.
And Ann Coulter, who just says, or Tom Likas, or the Nuge, we were just talking about, you had the Nuge on?
joe rogan
Yeah.
People say outrageous things just to get attention.
And it works.
doug stanhope
And you feed the trolls, and then all of a sudden you elect the trolls.
So fuck you.
It's all you people that watch TMZ and fucking buy a tabloid because fucking so-and-so said something outrageous again.
joe rogan
But it's a natural instinct to do that.
You know, I was telling you before the show, Ted Nugent is a nice guy.
He's like a really nice guy.
doug stanhope
God, do you remember trolling his message board from your message board?
joe rogan
You trolled his message board and you were giving instructions on how other people should troll his message board.
They were so, like, they were MAGA before MAGA was MAGA. Like, they were Make America Great.
I had a bit about it in my act about not needing the draft.
He'd just show up at Ted Nugent concerts and scoop him up in nets.
It was something along the way.
They're going to take away NASCAR. I forget the bit.
doug stanhope
Do you even have a message board?
joe rogan
No, it's over.
doug stanhope
Do they even exist?
Because your message board would troll.
I got on board with the trolling Ted Nugent's message board.
I would pass him aggressively.
I would backhand...
You know, insult him by going, hey, we got to band together and get the nudge back on the airwaves.
It's no fair.
All these, you know, rage against the machine wannabes are getting all the airplay.
And when I call to request a true rock and roll legend like Ted Nugent, they laugh me off the phone.
And it's no fair that all these guys are selling out arenas and Ted Nugent is stuck at some...
State Fair playing beside a Tilt-A-Whirl and an Andy Gump.
To a handful of people.
So I'm pro-rooting people to get Nuge more notice, but at the same time...
joe rogan
Shit, I got him.
doug stanhope
He's playing 35 people at the fucking Arkansas State Fair.
It's no...
I need to answer you.
By the way, I play to a lot more than 35 people.
joe rogan
That was the early days of people understanding message boards.
Understanding how they worked.
That's right.
I'm glad he never brought that up.
doug stanhope
I wouldn't have been able to defend it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's Doug.
What are you gonna do?
He's my friend.
Sorry, dude.
I think what we were talking about before is that a lot of people are nice people.
This is their act.
Their act is say outrageous things, get people to pay attention to them, and then it becomes...
doug stanhope
It's such a lousy trick, though.
I just feel like it's so fucking lazy.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's not all that.
It's like they believe that, and they also, like...
I believe Ted believes most of what he's saying.
But I think he also says things in an outrageous manner because that's part of his showbiz style.
Like, he's the Motor City Madman.
You know, he's a wild motherfucker that's gonna tell you like it is.
And he believes a lot of what he says.
And he makes sense about many things.
But then he goes...
You know, he goes, hey, Wire, what's that?
But when you're with him, you're like, oh, you're a nice guy.
Like, he's a genuinely nice guy.
And as much as he says crazy shit, he's got his, you know, he believes he's supporting the intelligent side of the message that you should be able to have guns if you're a responsible, law-abiding person.
And part of me is like, yeah, you should be, yeah.
But maybe, you know, maybe the problem is, just like we were talking about people running for president, you don't really get the nuanced stance of who a person is.
From these campaign ads or debates or anything.
You get this image, this flash thing.
Almost everybody's alright if you get to know him.
doug stanhope
I'm saying he has no reason to have his opinion Like, he has to be a dick just to keep himself, like, Kilroy in the public eye.
joe rogan
Right, he's got to kind of say outrageous things.
doug stanhope
Alex Jones would be a...
Like, Alex Jones is a guy who maybe now he believes more than he should about his own bullshit, but he created that.
Like, that's what...
He created his own art form and made himself...
Ted Nugent is a guy who had two shitty songs in 1977. Dude, how dare you?
joe rogan
Stranglehold is not a shitty song.
doug stanhope
I'm desperate to stay in the spotlight.
He's like a Kathy Griffin clawing his...
Look at me!
Please notice me!
I'm still relevant, right?
joe rogan
But they go to him for opinions, man.
I mean, there's a reason why, like, anytime there's a gun control debate, they go to Ted Nugent.
unidentified
He's good at it.
doug stanhope
Because he's gonna say the outrageous thing.
joe rogan
Not just that, he's good at it, man.
It's easy to write him off like that.
The problem is, like, when he debates people about gun control, he knows actual statistics.
And the actual statistics are confusing.
Because you find out that there's, at a gun violence death, a giant chunk of them are suicide.
And then there's gang violence, is the other ones.
And then it gets down to actual gun violence.
And then the numbers, they're weird.
They're not what you would want them to be.
You want them to be cut and dry.
Like people are using guns and crimes of passion and school shootings, and that's why there's guns.
You need to take them off the table.
Man, a lot of what we attribute to deaths are suicides.
It's fucking dark how many people pull the trigger.
You know, and a lot of gun violence is that.
And then there's, we were talking about Chicago, how crazy Chicago is.
What was the number again?
1000, what was it?
jamie vernon
I don't know, because I had another stat that I was waiting to pull up that day that was crazier to me.
From like 1970 roughly to about 89, the murders in New York City was almost triple that.
It was like 2,245 was the highest it was.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, in the 70s New York was crazy.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It was like average 8,900 I think in Chicago is what it is.
joe rogan
But there was one year, there was 1,500 in a year, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, there's one particularly high.
joe rogan
And it's way more than dying in Afghanistan.
Way more than dying in Iraq.
It's in Chicago.
This is like, for whatever reason, it barely gets our attention.
Guys like him are important for getting that message out, even if he does it in this fucked up way.
We need to look at what this thing is.
We definitely have a gun problem in this country, but I don't think either side is right about what it is.
I think we have a fucking human problem.
The fact that humans are just running around shooting people is the problem.
It's not the fact that we're smart enough to figure out guns.
doug stanhope
Well, every time me and Chad Shank get drunk and have one of these conversations late into the night, it always boils down to overpopulation.
There's too many people.
Whatever the issue is, somehow we can always boil it down to, yeah, but there's too many fucking people.
joe rogan
Well, for sure.
We don't value people when the numbers are so high.
You value your close-knit group of friends, right?
That's the romantic thing.
When there's 20 million people and you can't get anywhere, like L.A., you don't value people as much.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I did a bit about that.
You love a kitten.
And if you get a pet kitten and you come home every night, oh, Mr. Bimbles, you make me so happy.
But if you came back to that same bachelor apartment of 300 square feet and there were 800 kittens in there, you couldn't kill kittens quick enough.
Get my golf shoes.
I'm stomping kittens.
These fucking things suck.
That's so true.
People are the same.
They're just like currency.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's why what you've done is a wise move by moving to a town of 5,000.
That's very manageable.
doug stanhope
I fucking love it.
I love knowing my neighbors.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very manageable, too.
Like, what you've chosen to do is smart.
I don't think big cities are manageable.
I think people just put their blinders on and they just get weird.
They just get weird.
And some people say, well, I get energy from the city.
I'm like, I totally get that.
You go to New York City, I totally get it.
You walk around, there's a buzz.
There's so many people, it's a buzz.
doug stanhope
Oh, it's dreadful to me.
I get a buzz of anger and murder.
joe rogan
It doesn't bother me that much, but it does overwhelm me.
doug stanhope
I'm very claustrophobic, and the more I age, the more things, it just gets worse.
joe rogan
Well, it's also such a direct contrast to the way you live, you know?
doug stanhope
But I've always...
Just going out to smoke a cigarette and you can't...
You're afraid you're going to burn someone because you've sublet your personal space and people are walking that close to you.
You try to get in a door jam just so you don't burn a fucking pedestrian with your cigarette.
joe rogan
There's no way out of like, there's no way of thinning that out either.
Unless they make it so outrageously expensive that literally half the people can't.
They are trying.
I mean, that's the crazy thing is so many people want to be there and there's so many people there that they could just keep jacking the rents up and jacking the real estate payments up.
What I was saying about Ted Nugent and you were saying about Tom Likas and a lot of these other people, it's It's real easy to write somebody off.
It's real easy to write people off.
I'm trying to do less of that.
I'm trying to get to a point like, when do you let someone...
When do you decide...
doug stanhope
Who did you have on recently?
Someone's like, yeah, I don't like him anymore because now he has so-and-so on his podcast.
You had someone that...
Some random person was going...
joe rogan
For everybody, there's a person like that.
For some people, it's a hardcore lefty.
doug stanhope
It was someone...
I know they didn't even listen to the fucking show, but...
joe rogan
Jordan Peterson?
Was it him?
doug stanhope
Is he like a fucking Nazi guy or something?
unidentified
No.
doug stanhope
Well, like an alt writer?
joe rogan
No, sometimes people think he is, but it probably wasn't him.
It was probably someone more controversial like Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder or one of those guys.
But none of them are Nazis.
Jordan Peterson is much more of a centrist than anything.
He's not right.
You know what a classic liberal is?
The idea of treating people as the individual instead of Collective instead of a group instead of a Identifying with a group of whatever no matter what it is Treat people as individuals and he's a big proponent of personal responsibility and treating people as individuals and because of that and because of some of the things he said about They're trying to enforce Pronouns for transgender people like ones that they made up like a bunch of them There was a bill that
was a human rights violation thing, you know, because they have that Human Rights Council in Canada, and he was arguing this is a slippery slope.
You can't compel people to use made-up words.
You can't just decide that you're going to make up a bunch of gender pronouns and then get people to say it.
And who makes them up?
There's like 78 of them, apparently, that Facebook accepts.
Like there's Z-H-I-R, Z-I-R-E, there's like, just make them up.
Like anybody can make them up.
What do you want?
This?
Oh yeah, thanks.
Yeah, and so, because it's controversial, because people said, oh you're picking on trans people, and he's like, no I'm not.
I fully support your right to be a trans person.
I just don't want to use these bloody made-up words, is what he was saying.
And he felt like this is a slippery slope to controlling people's behavior.
And it starts like this, and they shame you into thinking their way, and there's a group think part of it involved.
So because of that, he got so lumped into this alt-right idea that, oh, he's the guy who hates transgender people.
It's just like we were talking about people running for president.
You don't really get to see who the real person is.
You get to see this surface, oh, he's the no-nonsense guy, I'll take him.
That's what they do with him.
I go, he's the guy who hates transgender folks.
He doesn't at all.
doug stanhope
If you really wanted to...
You would never know a candidate's true intentions if they were a good candidate.
If they were a crafty politician, I would go out and say, whatever the fuck, if it worked for Trump, I'll do it better.
And I'll say shit like that, and then I'll just be lying.
Right.
I'm going to deport everyone.
unidentified
Okay.
doug stanhope
It's Holocaust 3, whatever they want to hear, and then you go and go, I'm just kidding, and then you do the right thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
I was kind of hoping Trump would do it.
I think you could manipulate his ego to a point where you could get him to do your bidding just by saying, oh, you're getting good numbers by doing this, and the left hates this, so yeah, you should legalize marijuana, and he wouldn't need logic.
He'd just need to have his ego fed, and he'd do all the right things.
joe rogan
I think that's one he's holding in his back pocket, the legalized marijuana.
I think as we get closer to the election, I think he makes marijuana federally legal.
And I think if he does that, the stoners just fucking raise their arms in the air and they go, fuck it, I'm going with Trump.
Do you just know how much that'll change the world?
Just that.
doug stanhope
And they still won't vote.
joe rogan
Yeah, they still won't vote.
I know a lot of people complained they didn't vote.
unidentified
I don't think I voted.
doug stanhope
No, I did.
joe rogan
You should be able to vote online.
It should be very simple.
It should be a thing you fill out with your social security card number.
You use a face ID thing from a fucking laptop.
You can do it on your phone.
doug stanhope
You can call an 800 number like American Idol.
Well, that's, you know...
joe rogan
I think it'd be nice if you knew for sure.
Most people have a laptop with a camera on it or a webcam somewhere.
They're not hard.
You get a USB webcam.
They're cheap.
They're pretty cheap now.
And you just do that and you fucking vote that way.
That wouldn't be hard to do.
They'd be able to come up with software that could read your face and know if it's you.
A lot of laptops even have fingerprint sensors now.
You could fucking vote online.
They don't want you to.
They want it as difficult and confusing as possible.
They want to keep it this convoluted mess.
doug stanhope
Yeah, you get to take time off of work.
joe rogan
They want you to just go like this all the time.
What is this?
What are we doing?
They don't want, like, smooth sailing, everything sorted out, everybody doing well.
No, they want, like you were saying, how your town works, because you got left and right.
They want it.
unidentified
They want a little, just a little debate.
doug stanhope
Yeah, you get people wearing sidearms at Safeway, like, just, just because they can.
joe rogan
Well, you're in Arizona, yeah.
doug stanhope
So you get that kind of redneck element, but it's not a Trump versus Hillary.
Obviously, in that small town, there's no Black Lives Matter rallies, but people still go out and protest for Red for Ed for the teacher thing.
joe rogan
See, that sidearm thing can work in a limited amount of people.
You know, if you're walking around midtown Manhattan and bumping into people everywhere, you got a gun right here.
That shit's not going to work.
You know, if you're if you're a guy who's in Arizona, you just worried about some, you know, wild drug smugglers coming across the border and shooting up your city.
Yeah, you got to worry about that, don't you?
You're right there.
doug stanhope
Yeah, but they keep going.
It's the old Carlin bit where he's like, people bitching about they're going to build a prison in our community.
And if they escape, they're not going to be hanging around.
They're going to keep going.
joe rogan
That is true, because you're only like seven miles.
doug stanhope
I'm sure I did that a huge injustice.
I'm sure I'm misquoting Carlin, but something to that effect.
But yeah, you see undocumented aliens getting busted, but there's no...
You know, fucking drug war shit going on.
They'll confiscate weed out of a false bottom fake gas tank at the checkpoint.
joe rogan
I know guys who have been camping on the border, camping near the border on the U.S. side, and had run-ins with people who were coming across.
They said some of them got real sketchy.
Because basically, they're coming across constantly, all the time.
If you're there, these guys were on a deer hunting trip, and they just said they were just running into people all the time.
They were looking for water.
doug stanhope
People leave water out where they come across.
unidentified
Wow.
doug stanhope
And every other house in our neighborhood has humanitarian aid is never a crime because you're not supposed to fucking leave water out in the desert in case someone's dying.
joe rogan
You're not supposed to?
They tell you not to?
doug stanhope
I don't know exactly what the law is, but there's placards.
Just like every election is vote for Mayor Joe and vote for Bill for City Council.
This humanitarian aid is never a crime.
And I don't know what the law was or what exactly.
joe rogan
That's some dark shit when you're telling people don't give them water.
doug stanhope
Have you seen that video of Border Patrol people fucking just going out and dumping out water that people have left in the desert?
And laughing about it, like, fuck you.
Yeah, they're just...
Did you see the Border Patrol agent that ran over the guy?
That was a video that just came out last week.
joe rogan
No, I didn't see that at all.
doug stanhope
Yeah, on one of the reservations, one of the Indian reservations, on one of the Border Patrol roads, the guy was filming, and the car's coming right at me, and then it fucking hits him, and then turns around, and he got it all on tape, the guy that he actually hit...
Drove off.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
doug stanhope
There's some fucking assholes.
A lot of people, assholes gravitate.
Just like child molesters gravitate towards preschool teacher and priest.
Fucking assholes gravitate towards cop and border...
anywhere they can...
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Boom.
Is that him standing up?
doug stanhope
And now laying down after the border patrol fucking runs over him.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
unidentified
That is crazy.
joe rogan
See?
I can't like I have a hard time I'll get into going down wormholes of You know bad cops and fucking do get a patrol and hit like that I Mean that you you are you're making a decision to shatter a person's body probably forever You're hitting someone that hard with a with a truck that guy's got probably everything's probably broken It's probably and it's not a dirt road where it's yeah, like he did it on purpose.
doug stanhope
There's no other excuse No, I did it on purpose Yeah, I have too much hate in my life.
Sometimes I just have to ignore shit.
You just wake up in the morning and I get on Newser and I click on fucking cop-throws-a-guy-through-a-play-class-window kind of shit and beatings.
joe rogan
You know, I've said this a hundred times, but it's worth repeating.
I don't think most people are qualified to be cops.
I think it's a really fucking hard job, and I think the pressure of it fucks people up.
Even if they did go into that job, if they gravitated towards it because they were bullies, which I'm sure a certain percentage do.
I think for most of them, it's just a good job, and they think they can pull it off.
I've met a lot of cops that are good guys.
But I think the pressure of that job and being shot at all the time and worrying every time you pull somebody over you're gonna get shot.
And everybody's seen those videos of people pulling people over and they pull out a gun and kill the cop.
There's one that's haunting, man.
The guy pulls over this Vietnam vet.
And he starts, he starts screaming for the guy to get back in the car, and the guy pulls out a rifle, and the guy just starts shooting at him, and he gets hit, and he's screaming, just almost, stop it, stop it, stop it!
And the guy just keeps shooting the cop while all this is happening, and the guy's like screaming for his life while this guy's just gunning him down, like, man, tell me these cops haven't seen this?
They're all fucked up!
And it's, it becomes almost like a game, and the game is, I'm trying to score on you.
It's like you're playing one-on-one basketball or you're doing jujitsu or something.
You're trying to score on somebody.
And the score on them is, I think you're up to something no good.
Let me see.
Spread your legs.
Let me check your body.
What's going on in the car?
What do you got?
What's this?
What's that?
And if you get it, oh!
We got it.
Score.
If you don't get it, fuck.
Swing and a miss.
And so you go looking for things to be wrong, and that person becomes the enemy.
Just like you push people on a fucking football field or on the other team, that's what you're doing to the people that you're supposed to be protecting and serving.
They become the enemy.
They become the thing that you're trying to score on.
And it's just stupid monkey games start playing around in people's heads.
And I think almost nobody's qualified for that.
I know a very few, like Big John McCarthy, the UFC referee.
He was a cop.
Fucking greatest guy you ever want to meet.
The nicest guy ever.
But he's also a big giant dude who's not intimidated by people and he has a good way of calming people down, relaxing people.
But he's very sensible, like very normal.
And he was a cop his whole life.
He was a cop for many, many years.
It's just a fucking impossible job, man.
Every day you're dealing with crime.
Every day you're dealing with murder.
You're dealing with people beating their wives.
You're dealing with kids that get hit by cars.
You're dealing with just the most horrible shit.
doug stanhope
And we can boil this down to too many people.
Because I live in a town where I know the cops.
Same cop came to two Super Bowl parties in consecutive years the night before when we had a big pre-party on the Saturday night and came for noise complaints two years in a row.
The first time he walked in, Christine Levine was on stage doing her act, and you can hear everything in my neighborhood just speaking.
And when she's on a microphone doing a bit about, after three kids, my pussy looks like it swallowed a dog that chewed its way out.
And I know every fucking neighbor...
There's at least 30 houses that can hear this over their TV. That's hilarious.
But that cop came twice, and then I'd see him at Safeway, friendly, and when Bingo and I had our brief breakup, That cop came to my house.
I'm sitting in the funhouse, and I see a cop walking, and I'm like, oh, that's fucking Yanis.
Officer Bob Friendly.
And he came and he goes, hey, I know it's none of my business, but I heard you going through a tough time, and I just wanted to see if you're okay.
I'm like, that is fucking cool.
And now he comes over all the time.
joe rogan
Wow.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is, yeah, that's the benefit of the 5,000-person town.
doug stanhope
Yeah, when you know everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
That's not a homeless guy.
That's Brokey.
Everyone knows our homeless will work for food guy by name.
joe rogan
Do you think that you appreciate that more because you travel so much?
Because you get to go back to that and this is home.
And home is this quiet, cool place filled with artists and farmers and just weirdos and shit.
But you're always like, now you're in Dublin.
Now you're in London.
Now you're in San Francisco.
Now you're in...
You know, you're always moving around so much that you get a beautiful taste of everything and then this is like the quiet home.
doug stanhope
Also, I rarely go out.
I go to Safeway every day even if I don't need anything.
It's my thing.
I wake up and I go to Safeway and I find what's good discount meat.
I love a bargain in the discount meats.
And other than that, I don't go out.
I don't go to bars.
I have a bar in my house.
The people I know, they come over to my house and we hang out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, you've got an interesting setup, man.
Whenever I listen to your podcast, I'm like, this is such a fascinating setup.
doug stanhope
The same as the Comedy Store, which when I come back, I love it.
And I see a thousand people all in one night that I've known over the years.
But I don't hate anyone.
joe rogan
Right.
doug stanhope
Where you hear all the, oh, that fucking, I hate that fucking country.
Think she's funny and she's not funny.
Like, I would, yeah, I would be, if I lived there, if I was a regular like everyone else at the comedy store, yeah, then I'd have my beefs and I'd be political.
joe rogan
There's very few beefs there these days.
It's interesting.
doug stanhope
But I'm just saying, like, snipey back talk, you know, talk shit behind your back thing.
I'd get into that again.
unidentified
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Now I'm really happy to see everyone.
I don't care if they suck.
I don't watch their acts anyway.
But that's what Bisbee's like.
And I keep it that way where I don't go out, I don't get involved in their fucking petty squabbles and everyone's backstabby shit.
Because even when I am there for a long time, I don't leave the house.
I don't go out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
So I don't have to take sides.
I'm a very fucking neutral country.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying about avoiding conflict.
But honestly, the comedy store these days is almost conflict free.
It's weird.
It's so much weirder than it's ever been there before.
It's like this super...
Super supportive community.
It's very different.
doug stanhope
I'll just say comedy in general in LA. Well, anywhere.
I should be headlining that place and they won't give me this.
I don't have to deal with that.
And that's how I keep Bisbee.
unidentified
I go out rarely.
doug stanhope
A lot of people don't believe I live there.
joe rogan
Why do they not believe it?
doug stanhope
They think I just have a house there that I show up to and say I live in Bisbee.
joe rogan
That would be funny.
It would be funny if you only dress like this on the show and then you immediately, the show's over, oh, I can't wait to get dressed for my golf tee off in an hour.
And then you put on like a polo shirt and a fat Rolex and some nice slippers.
doug stanhope
I only have ridiculous suits and pajamas.
That's it.
joe rogan
That's it?
doug stanhope
I don't have a pair of jeans.
joe rogan
When did you become a ridiculous suit guy?
Like what year did you just give in to the ridiculous suit?
doug stanhope
When I got my first really good one, the one I wore, I forget what special it was.
I've done this occasionally throughout the years, and I used to wear a Santa hat for a while.
And then we'd dress up in just fucking dumb shit sometimes just because I was bored, like Muslim prayer robes on stage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where were you getting these ridiculous?
doug stanhope
I got this my neighbor Evelyn found this great old plaid vintage 70s sport coat and I just happened to find a pair of yellow pants that matched it perfectly and then I get so then I'd start like really looking for what when I could put a whole suit together and I like alright and then I realized white shoes go at everything white loafers and So then I just...
That's all we do when we're driving on the road.
The only interests I have are...
We hit all the thrift stores in the town and try to find good sushi.
And that's it.
I'll go to a fucking museum.
joe rogan
So you look for wacky clothes to try on.
Yeah, you don't know who's clothes...
doug stanhope
Now I have a closet that...
That's why I do these eBay yard sales every couple years.
And I sell all the suits I'm tired of because my closet is fucking buckling.
joe rogan
Wow.
What a weird thing to collect.
doug stanhope
Get on the mailing list.
You've been doing this as long as I have.
You get a cool poster, a tour poster, and you go, I like that.
But as the years go on, you're just building up clutter in your crawlspace, and you can only have so many pictures of yourself around.
Fans will send me artwork, like...
You know, portraits they did of me.
And I'm like, what am I going to put up more pictures of me in my house?
Like, a company comes over and it's just some fucking museum of you.
joe rogan
That's why you got to buy the house near the landing strip.
Just turn it to the Doug Stanhope Resort.
doug stanhope
Well, I sell the shit.
We do eBay yard sales.
And yeah, a fan would like that in their house.
I don't need a picture of me.
You'd like a tour poster.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
doug stanhope
So yeah, get on the mailing list at DougStanup.com because we're doing another one in August.
joe rogan
So what do you do?
You do them personally?
Like, are you out there auctioning stuff off?
doug stanhope
No, we just put it all on eBay and call it the DougStanup eBay Yard Sale and people bid on stuff.
joe rogan
Nice.
doug stanhope
Yeah, and you don't want to throw this stuff away.
You can't give it to the thrift store.
No one wants it there.
joe rogan
You're wearing a bunch of different people's clothes that have lived different weird lives.
Think about how many...
The kind of clothes that you're buying, you're buying guys who were getting pussy in the 70s.
That's the kind of clothes.
doug stanhope
I used to do a bit about that, and I don't know if I ever recorded that, but about wearing this polyester under hot lights.
You can only imagine how bad fucking had to smell in the 70s.
Someone was dancing all night at the Studio 54. Ugh.
You know, doing blow and then sweating and then fucking in a bathroom with all their pubes on.
joe rogan
Yeah, and no deodorant.
What was deodorant like back then?
It was terrible.
doug stanhope
Right guard.
Aerosol.
That's what I grew up with.
joe rogan
Remember when everybody thought there was going to be a giant hole in the ozone layer from hairspray?
Yeah.
Like, hairspray's going to put a hole in the ozone layer.
Like, apparently there's a big hole above Australia.
Australia has it bad.
Like, there's all those skin cancer ads.
doug stanhope
You do sunburn.
joe rogan
Different, right?
doug stanhope
Very rapidly in Australia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I think there's a hole over there.
doug stanhope
I remember that was...
joe rogan
Look at that.
There it is.
Right over Australia, there's a goddamn hole.
The image of the largest Antarctic ozone hole ever recorded over the South Pole, September 2006. Layers of the atmosphere not to scale.
The Earth's ozone layer is mainly found on the lower portion of the stratosphere from approximately 20 to 30 kilometers.
Ozone depletion.
So there's a hole.
Yeah, and if the whole world was underneath that hole, we'd have some fucking real problems.
doug stanhope
You play Australia?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I've been.
I haven't been in a while, though.
Last time I did Melbourne.
Had a great time.
How do they make you say it?
Melbourne?
Melbourne?
I like Sydney.
Done Sydney there, too.
doug stanhope
Perth is fantastic.
joe rogan
Yeah?
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's my favorite.
And I did Hobart, Tasmania, which is weird.
joe rogan
Wow, Tasmania.
doug stanhope
I just did a couple weeks there in April, and I read it's called The Fatal Shore, and it's like this 700-page history of Australia, and it's fucking brutal.
Oh, it's crazy.
Absolutely brutal.
From the time they started shipping the prisoners there for nothing.
Shackles and dying of pestilence.
They're in hulls.
They sit in boats for months waiting to be shipped to a camp.
It's just brutal after brutal and then a flogging until the skin fell off his back and then...
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
One of the things they did, they took aborigine kids away from their parents.
They tried to raise them with white families.
They did in like the 1950s, I think.
They were telling me about it when I was there, and it was one of them jaw-dropper conversations where people were talking.
You're like, what?
They stole people's babies and raised them as white kids because they didn't think the Aborigines knew what they were doing.
So they just said, you don't know how to raise that kid.
Give me that kid.
doug stanhope
It's kind of like the foster system.
joe rogan
Well, no, because they took them.
It's not like the foster system.
The idea would be that Someone would either have to go to jail or someone would be murdered.
doug stanhope
Where they go, you're an unfit parent.
joe rogan
That's sometimes, right?
I guess that does happen, right?
If someone's a drug addict or a criminal, they'll take your kid away and put it in foster care.
But this is just taking your kid away because you're an aborigine.
doug stanhope
Which, if their society thinks that's a bad way, what's wrong with a drug addict?
I know drug addicts that can do a lot of stuff functionally.
joe rogan
Some of them, yeah.
There's levels to that.
There's levels to drug addict.
You know what's weird about the aborigines?
They have hundreds of languages.
They speak different languages.
You'll be in what they call a mob.
They call themselves mobs, like a tribe.
It's a mob.
And you'll have a mob, but there'll be another mob that's 30 kilometers away, and they speak a totally different language.
You don't know what the fuck they're saying.
And then there's another one over there, and most of it's not even written down.
And there's hundreds and hundreds of them.
And they're all over.
I mean, it's a...
It's an amazing, strange culture, like the culture of the Aborigines in Australia.
My friend Adam, Adam Greentree, he runs a mining company in Australia, and he works with a lot of the Aborigine people.
He gets them jobs and gets to understand their culture and talk to them.
He's told me some just insane shit about how these people have lived, and they've been there forever.
You know, they've been there for a long time, all living in these little tribes, these little mobs.
It's crazy.
doug stanhope
Yeah, they would have no structures when they first showed up over there.
The Aborigines were basically packs, and they would basically cut and burn, or hunt as much as they could in an area, and they didn't have houses.
They had no, like, they'd just move on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, and they were living, you know, like, essentially, like how Native Americans were, maybe in the 1400s or 1500s, probably even more simply, right?
I mean, I wonder.
doug stanhope
That's why they wouldn't fuck with New Zealand, because the Maori, however you pronounce that, the Maori people, they were fucking badasses, and they were somewhat fortified.
I retained so little.
I read the book, and two days later, I have three facts that I probably have two of them wrong, but they were terrified of the fucking...
joe rogan
Everybody's scared of the Maoris.
Just New Zealand people are very fierce.
They're fierce people.
It's crazy to think that those two places, particularly Australia, was a prison colony, essentially, for England.
I mean, that's how they treated it.
doug stanhope
It was fucking slavery is what it was.
It was white slavery, because the whole idea was to make these prisoners build this into a country.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, the crazy thing is, the weather's way better than England.
doug stanhope
I know.
Only fucking England would use the beautiful place as a fucking penal colony.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
I can't wait to get back to fucking Shropshire ham by the sea, where it's fucking 48 degrees and gloomy and shitty.
joe rogan
Gloomy and everybody's just sour and dour.
Meanwhile, you're in the Gold Coast of Australia, jumping into the water, having a martini on the beach.
The weather's perfect.
doug stanhope
Yeah, but same token, back then, there was no fucking plumbing and it was hard to find clean water to drink.
joe rogan
That's true.
doug stanhope
Everything kills you.
joe rogan
Everything kills you.
Including jellyfish.
That's what's the most fucked up.
Goddamn jellyfish kill you.
Jellyfish.
doug stanhope
Saltwater crocodiles.
joe rogan
Oh, they're everywhere.
They just captured one in Australia.
They've been looking for it forever.
unidentified
Fucking huge.
joe rogan
15 feet long.
doug stanhope
1,300 and something pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, they're always catching sharks.
There's sharks all over the place.
The outside water is just surrounded with great whites.
Sharks, saltwater crocodiles, spiders, brown snakes, all these different things.
But the people are cool as fuck.
They're like some of my favorite people.
doug stanhope
Racist as fuck, too, though.
joe rogan
Look at that.
doug stanhope
Are they really?
Yeah, I would say, yeah, you're a bunch of fucking racists and the cheer.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that crocodile they captured.
What in the fuck, man?
It's 60 years old?
How many people have that thing eaten?
That thing's eaten at least 10 people.
doug stanhope
Oh, there's shoes in that belly.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
A friend of mine filmed this show, it's called Uncharted, and his name is Jim Shockey, and he's this professional hunter from Canada.
They hired him to go to Africa to shoot these crocodiles that were killing all these people that lived in this village.
While they were there, someone got snatched and taken by a crocodile.
And, like, so you're seeing everyone in the village is missing an arm, or they have a chunk taken out of their head, or a chunk taken out of their thigh, and you're like...
This is nuts.
These people are always in fear of getting eaten.
Everywhere they go, they're in fear of getting eaten by these enormous Nile crocodiles.
You know, 13, 14 feet long, just grabbing people and pulling them underwater.
doug stanhope
I really want to go to the Outback.
They have a train.
They have two trains.
One's called the Gan that goes from Adelaide all the way up to Darwin.
And then they have another that goes all the way from Perth to Sydney.
And I really want to just do a train trip because in the middle there's like a Coober Pedy is a mining town where like most of the town is underground because it gets that hot.
It's 120 degrees so they built the town underground.
unidentified
Jesus.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I want to go see some weird shit.
Sydney is fucking Vancouver.
joe rogan
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, it's not the weird shit.
And you could drive for hours and hours and not see nothing in Australia.
A lot of these guys, they get those snorkels on their cars, and it's not for going underwater.
It's just because of the amount of dirt you have to drive through.
Oh yeah, the utes.
Yeah, you want to have a snorkel high above your car so that you're getting cleaner air.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
They all have extended gas tanks.
They get these giant gas tanks put on because they know they're going to be driving for 15, 16 hours without seeing a gas station.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
doug stanhope
That's why I thought the train...
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it's a weird place, man.
Australia's one of the last weird places.
There's 20 million people in the entire country, and it's the same size as the contiguous United States.
doug stanhope
Yeah, of dirt.
joe rogan
It's all dirt, and there's only 20 million people.
Less than live in LA. Live in this one huge country.
doug stanhope
I love it.
joe rogan
It's like a small town, but a country.
You know, like the same proportions.
doug stanhope
Darwin is the only one I want to go to.
That's north and really tropical.
joe rogan
Why do you want to go to that one?
doug stanhope
It just sounds like a weird place to go.
joe rogan
I want to go to the Galapagos.
That's where Darwin did all of his research, the Galapagos Islands, or some of his research.
He's compiling his theories on evolution, but it's apparently some...
Crazy tropical island.
That's they're trying so hard to keep it from being touched and influenced by people But every time people go over there you have to clean off their shoes.
doug stanhope
Yeah, it's like Don't step off the track though.
What's the fucking go back in time the butterfly effect?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, people are I mean, isn't that how life got spread all across the world?
I mean, I know we shouldn't do it on purpose and foolishly, but a lot of how life got spread is just picking things up and carrying them in their shit and dropping them off there.
Guns, germs, and steel.
Yeah.
I mean, that's really how everything gets spread.
We're just doing it on a larger scale because we use planes and boats.
Like Hawaii.
Everything on Hawaii is something somebody brought over everything like there's like some birds that used to live there and some bugs You know and everything else is all the different wildlife all the animals.
doug stanhope
They've just been brought over there There's nothing worse than going to Hawaii and hearing white people bitch about the tourists White people that live there.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's funny and how it's the tourism is destroying the Ecosystem like who the fuck are you?
joe rogan
Yeah That's silly.
doug stanhope
And what would you do without the tourists?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You should understand.
doug stanhope
You think Roseanne's gonna actually fucking make money off a macadamia nut farm?
You think she's gonna be out selling fucking nuts somewhere?
Oh, she never...
I think I told you.
She called me again and goes, I'm ready to do Rogan.
joe rogan
We've been going back and forth.
unidentified
All right.
doug stanhope
Well, now she says she's going to do her own podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to do it.
It's just going to take time.
You know, this is what I told her.
She contacted me the other day.
She says, I'm ready to do it whenever you are.
I said, you just tell me when and we'll do it.
And then we're trying to figure out...
unidentified
Well, I'm in Salt Lake City at my mother's house.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a little bit of that.
And then, you know, she's just trying to figure out when's the right time.
But she said she wants to do her own YouTube channel, and she's upset at everybody.
And I felt like, you know, there's a lot of merit in what she's saying.
You know, I really do think she got fucked over.
I really do think she made a joke about a woman that she didn't know was black.
And a woman who's, I think she's only one-eighth black.
doug stanhope
Oh yeah, I saw the picture and I went, oh, I get it now.
I talked to her on the phone afterwards where she goes, she was asking me for advice and she said, I really fucked up and I honestly didn't think she was black.
And then she goes, did you ever do Ambien?
I go, that's exactly why I stopped doing Ambien.
I'm sure that's why she tweeted that, where I'm like, just talk about this on Rogan, because Rogan spends time.
You can explain stuff.
Stop fucking tweeting.
And that tweet where she goes, I did take an Ambien.
Well, yeah, you drink on Ambien, and you're fucked.
I can tell you a million stories of normal people, like fucking Judy Brown, her husband, Steve Marmel...
Almost had a plane grounded because he, on a flight, he took an Ambien and had a couple of bourbons and then just started going fucking batch it.
Has no recollection of it.
And I've done stuff that was like minor, where I just had a very lucid business conversation with Hannigan.
After I'd taken an Ambien on my...
Like a light night of drinking for me, which is six or seven beers.
And I went to bed.
And then I got up 15 minutes later and went out and had this very lucid business conversation that I don't remember at all.
And I brought it up to him the next day, something we were going to talk about.
He goes, we talked about this last night.
I go, no, we didn't.
He's like, yes, you came out.
I go, no, I went to bed.
He goes, yes, but you came out shortly after.
You seemed very...
Like, completely normal.
joe rogan
Wow.
Kevin James, he made dinner.
He went downstairs, made his own dinner, cooked it, ate it, went back to bed, got up in the morning, and was like, who the fuck cooked?
And then they're like, you did.
He's like, no, I didn't.
He was like, no, yeah, you did.
Look, here, you threw this away.
Like, you cooked this.
Like, what?!
The fuck are you talking about?
doug stanhope
Renee's brother, you remember my ex Renee, her brother and his buddy took some ambience, had minor amounts of cocktails, woke up on a lawn in a neighborhood they didn't know where they were.
joe rogan
Jesus.
doug stanhope
And that's where, it was that one lucid business conversation where you go, that could have been me driving my car into someone's front fucking porch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
So, yeah, I swore it off.
joe rogan
My mom said that she took it and no booze, just took the Ambien and wound up drawing on a bathroom carpet, you know, in those little bathroom rugs, just drawing on it with like lipstick and nail polish.
Doesn't have any recollection of doing it.
Just drawing on it like a little kid would.
Would they pull out the nail polish, just start...
That's a weird thing.
It's called a hypnotic.
That's what they call that category of drugs.
doug stanhope
The other thing with Roseanne is, she's got serious mental illness, and she's on a bunch of different medications.
joe rogan
Well, she's got legit multiple personality disorder.
She's talked about it.
And I don't think they call it multiple personality disorder anymore.
I think they have a new name for it, but...
doug stanhope
They're really good at rebranding fucking mental illnesses.
joe rogan
Like, come on, man.
It's like, this is what it is.
It is multiple personality disorder.
She has a bunch of different people.
And, you know, if you talk to people that have been around her and see her switch from personality to personality, you realize, like, oh.
And, you know, a lot of this also came from head trauma.
She's one of several comedians that became...
A different person because of head trauma.
I think she was hit by a car as well.
Sam Kinison, same thing, hit by a car.
doug stanhope
And also...
joe rogan
I think she was in a car accident.
doug stanhope
I don't know if it was child molestation or...
joe rogan
Yeah, it was that too.
doug stanhope
Rape and...
joe rogan
Dissociative Identity Disorder.
That's what they're calling it now.
doug stanhope
And she also can't fucking tell the difference between Twitter and a green room.
Because if every single comic was recorded, the dark shit that we say in green rooms, because we're comics, and we say the worst possible thing.
joe rogan
Especially to make each other.
Yeah, exactly.
doug stanhope
Because you go to the darkest areas and you say all the wrong words and you say the most racist thing to your black comic friend and he says the fucking worst thing to you about your fucking, your ugly fucking teeth or you're fat or you're fucking stupid.
joe rogan
And if she walked into the green room and said that about that lady, we would be laughing.
doug stanhope
Right.
joe rogan
We would be laughing.
Especially if we didn't think that lady was black.
doug stanhope
Except we wouldn't know who she was.
joe rogan
Right, we wouldn't know who she was.
doug stanhope
And if she was saying something racist, you'd look at the picture and go, I don't get it.
joe rogan
I had no understanding of who that woman was.
I never had heard of her before until Roseanne got fired.
And I was like, who is this lady?
She's saying she's in the Muslim Brotherhood, and then Roseanne said that she thought she was Jewish.
I was like, okay.
She's like, I didn't think she was black.
I thought she was Jewish.
And then I looked at the picture.
I go, all right, well, yeah.
That's not a cut and dry one.
doug stanhope
If you read two years of Roseanne's tweets...
That would not be the one that stood out.
She just says fucking insane stuff that makes no sense all the time.
joe rogan
What did she say that Susan Rice, she said, was a great big ape with...
No, a man...
Oh, she's a man with giant swinging ape balls.
This was like five years ago.
And then five years later, they give her that sitcom.
I can't believe she's acting crazy.
doug stanhope
I completely fault ABC seeing a fucking cash cow.
joe rogan
They thought they could handle her.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Hey, we can make a lot of money by giving a toddler a pistol.
joe rogan
Well, you know what else she said?
She felt like she was being removed.
doug stanhope
But he has to promise not to.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
She felt like she was being removed from the creative process, too.
There was a bunch of things going on even before this, and that this was one of the final steps.
She was having a hard time with the whole process, and she was definitely having a hard time with being overworked.
She's like, I'm old.
doug stanhope
We should do an episode about the Illuminati and Zionism.
joe rogan
What?
doug stanhope
Maybe we should get you out of the writer's room.
joe rogan
It wouldn't be a bad idea to do an episode about her thinking that everything is the Illuminati.
I mean, that's fucking gold comedy there.
There's so much there.
I had explained to her creme trails.
But the thing is, different than anybody that I've ever talked to about these kind of wacky conspiracy theories, when I explained to her how those clouds are made, she went, oh, okay.
Just let it go.
Like, most of them don't fucking let it go.
If you tell them that, well, you see those planes, they're spraying overhead, and you go, no, no, no.
It's the heat of the engine, the condensation, the atmosphere.
It's actually creating a cloud.
It's just the water vapor, and it mixes with the heat of this engine.
It makes clouds.
That's all it is.
Roseanne just goes, okay.
Like, just let it go.
Like, everybody else is like, bullshit, man.
There's fucking documents.
There's papers.
The CIA's admitted it.
It's one of the hardest things in the world.
When you get a stupid conspiracy theory in your head, one of the hardest things in the world is to just go, mmm, that might be bullshit.
It might be bullshit.
doug stanhope
What's your latest favorite conspiracy theory?
Because I've dropped off the map.
joe rogan
The favorite one that I believe in?
doug stanhope
Yeah, or...
joe rogan
Man, I don't have a good one that I believe in.
doug stanhope
Are there new ones that people are...
unidentified
Always.
joe rogan
There's always new ones.
Everything's a goddamn conspiracy.
It's like constantly everything that everybody does.
What's a good one, Jamie?
What's a good recent conspiracy theory?
The Russia stuff, but I can't...
I can't make fucking heads or tails of this Russia shit.
Every time I read the Mueller documents, I'm reading what's been reported and who's getting indicted, and I'm like, this is too much.
doug stanhope
I tuned out early.
jamie vernon
He just asked for 100 blank indictments yesterday.
joe rogan
Mueller did?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
A hundred?
What if they arrest Trump?
Are they allowed to arrest him?
jamie vernon
That's part of what the whole thing with the judge is going on right now, the Supreme Court judge.
joe rogan
Well, somebody was explaining the relationship that the judge has, the judge who stepped down has to Trump.
jamie vernon
His son is Trump's banker from Deutsche Bank.
joe rogan
Jesus.
doug stanhope
Yeah, it's...
unidentified
Woo! Woo!
joe rogan
It's too much to pay attention to.
doug stanhope
Occasionally I'll look and, okay, Trump and Kim Jong-il and Dennis Rodman are...
joe rogan
Partying together in Ibiza?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
doug stanhope
In Singapore.
joe rogan
Oh, the newest one is the new fake Melania Trump.
They think it's a new body double.
That Melania is not going on these trips anymore.
unidentified
That's true.
doug stanhope
I know that one.
joe rogan
If you called Alex Jones, he'd yell at us about it.
Is it true?
What does it say?
jamie vernon
Two hours ago, this article got published.
joe rogan
Okay.
Eerie new picture says Melania Trump reignite conspiracy theories she's using a body double.
Okay, what are the pictures?
jamie vernon
This is supposed to be her in 2017. Okay.
joe rogan
What website is this, by the way?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I like how you go, I don't know.
You're not even going to check.
jamie vernon
Well, I clicked the first, I just went to the first one that was just posted.
joe rogan
Well, what are the pictures down low?
That's ones that are supposed to look weird.
I think if you scroll lower...
jamie vernon
I think it's just on this video.
joe rogan
Hmm.
I think we have an answer to why Melania is missing so much lately.
Look closely.
Yeah, it doesn't look like her.
That's only in this, I mean that does not look like her, only in this presidency.
Would this be something that we would think about?
Only.
This is the only...
We're like, man, that ain't even his wife.
These are the goddamn body double.
Like, what are they going to do if Melania leaves him?
He's going to get a double.
He's going to get a body double and he's just going to give her money to stay in Manhattan.
doug stanhope
He could just go, I hooked up with this chick on Tinder.
And, like, what's going to happen?
At what point are people going to stop being completely befuddled that he said something stupid and Stormy Daniels got arrested yesterday.
Yeah, that's some bullshit.
joe rogan
Sue's touching an undercover cop.
Was it she was touching an undercover cop, or she allowed the undercover cop to touch her?
jamie vernon
I believe that, but what I read from her attorney last night on Twitter is that this is the same show or whatever performance she's been doing all over the country.
It's what she does.
They knew that she was going to do it.
So it was almost a setup or something.
doug stanhope
Yeah, she wasn't blowing a guy in a fucking, you know, the champagne room or something.
When you read the law, it said the law was that you can't touch someone in an adult establishment unless it's a family member.
That's the fucking law.
joe rogan
Whoa.
So, like, you walked over to Jamie and rubbed his back, you go to jail?
doug stanhope
Unless we're related, we haven't done a 23andMe yet.
joe rogan
An employee who regularly appears nude or semi-nude at a sexually oriented business is prohibited from touching patrons except for family members.
Huh.
So, uh...
jamie vernon
Charges were already dismissed.
joe rogan
Oh, there it goes.
The charges were dismissed according to court documents.
jamie vernon
So it almost makes more news that she was arrested than...
joe rogan
I wonder if it was like a rogue cop who's like a fucking Trump fan who's like, fuck this bitch.
doug stanhope
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I'm just gonna fucking do it for Donald.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It couldn't have been.
doug stanhope
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's not a well-thought, well-oiled plan by the White House.
That's a plan by one fucking Yahoo with three different MAGA hats at home.
doug stanhope
You know, on the fucking shelf.
Fucking thorn in his shoe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This bitch, she thinks she's gonna take down POTUS? That's my favorite when they call him POTUS. You know, like, they're like, if POTUS did this, like, come on.
It's Trump.
It's Trump.
We gotta stop.
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's one syllable.
joe rogan
Not only that, it's like, this is what got us here in the first place.
Daniels remove what okay in probation affidavit attained by CNN Detectives who are at the sirens gentlemen's club said they observed Daniels remove her top and force patrons face into her chest force.
Yeah, well, she's a monster.
doug stanhope
Hey, I Wasn't here for this.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not like she did that to a trained killer with a gun It's due to a cop It's not like even a regular guy.
It's a guy who makes his living stopping crime.
doug stanhope
Stopping fun.
He's a vice cop.
joe rogan
But he can't even stop a tit plunge.
Like, she forced him in there.
There was nothing he could do about it.
It was basically rape.
Nothing he could do.
He couldn't go, hey, stop.
doug stanhope
Another me too.
joe rogan
When officers witnessed those activities, three detectives approached the stage.
Daniels allegedly made her way towards the two detectives, leaned over, and grabbed their faces.
She shoved each of their faces between her breasts, court documents said.
Come on.
doug stanhope
Smacked the officer's face with her breasts.
joe rogan
I can't believe that.
She fondled a third officer's buttocks and breasts, according to the document, and then forced the officer's head between her breasts and smacked the officer's face with her breasts.
Can you imagine arresting somebody for that?
You fucking lazy civil servant leech.
You leech.
You leech.
There's money that could have gone to schools.
There's money that could have gone to fixed streets.
Money that could have gone to all sorts of good things in the community.
But you leeched it, you fucking snail.
Just creeped over, got that lady to touch you and arrested her.
doug stanhope
Well, they did get $6,000.
Bail.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the charges are already dismissed.
Doesn't she get that money back?
doug stanhope
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
It's fucking ridiculous.
That's the thing we were saying.
But this is cops.
Some of them are awesome.
Some of them are awesome.
And they just get a certain small percentage of them, they ruin it for everybody.
It doesn't even have to be 1%.
But if 1% of cops is out there shooting kids, I mean, it's less than that.
Because it's less than...
It's not even every day, right?
A cop doing something fucked up is usually like once a week.
Think of the fucking millions of interactions these cops have with people.
I mean, every day something's going wrong all over the country.
Someone's pulling someone over that has a gun.
Someone's pulling someone over that has an expired license or stolen property.
They're just constantly dealing with people.
It's amazing that they shoot as little as they do.
doug stanhope
There's an argument in, hey, the cops should live in the community he's policing.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
Yeah, there most certainly is.
Otherwise, you're an outsider, right?
I mean, that was how they used to be.
Like, the cops, if you were in, you know, in New Jersey in the 1970s, the cop that was patrolling your neighborhood lived in the neighborhood.
We probably all knew him by name.
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Officer Bob Friendly, my cop friend in Bisbee, told me a story about where he had to do a welfare check in a house, and they force entry, and he's yelling, police, we're just here to do a welfare check.
Hello?
Some older guy that could have been fucking dead, and he's expecting...
To find a corpse when no one's answering.
And he gets up the staircase and he gets halfway around and this guy with half dementia holding a fucking.45 on him and he has to make that split second decision to draw his gun and shoot and he just ducked the other way.
Hey, we're just here to make sure you're okay.
And he was like that close to taking a fucking bullet in the head just trying to make sure a neighbor isn't dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Okay, I understand.
You're getting some fucking hairy predicaments.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Where if he shot this fucking old guy...
joe rogan
Oh, could you imagine?
Shoot an old guy in his house because he thinks he's protecting his house from burglars, and you're just there to check to see if he's all right, and you wind up shooting him in the head.
And, you know, there's just...
The amount of days in a year and the amount of interaction they're going to have with violence, it's just too much for most people's brains, almost everybody's brain.
It's almost like being on the front lines for 20 years, especially if you're in Detroit or south side of Chicago or somewhere in a terrible neighborhood where they're dealing with crime all the time, Camden, something like that.
doug stanhope
The thin blue line where officers protect their own fucking bad apples.
Yeah, you only need to see one fucking wormhole run of YouTube bad cop videos.
Well, there's people that are protecting those cops.
So yeah, you gotta fucking give up your weak links.
joe rogan
What is the documentary, Jamie?
The 7-5?
Is that what it is?
Is that what it's called?
For sure?
75th Precinct?
Have you ever seen that?
Michael Dowd is a documentary about the crooked cops in New York.
Holy shit is it good.
doug stanhope
Yeah, that was really good.
joe rogan
Holy shit is it good.
And you realize how crazy it got.
They were just running things, selling drugs and planning to do hits on people.
Like, whoa.
Is it really?
Fuck, that's a good documentary.
Nick DiPaolo turned me on to that.
That's a good goddamn documentary.
doug stanhope
I thought they only did stand-up comedy on Netflix now.
joe rogan
They have a lot of goddamn documentaries.
Have you seen The Wild Wild...
What is it?
No.
The Wild Wild Country.
Have you seen that?
doug stanhope
No, I haven't seen that.
I just got back on Netflix.
I've been out of the country for four months, basically.
But, uh...
I just watched Evil Genius about the pizza bomber.
It's a four-parter.
It's really good.
It didn't need to be four parts.
Every documentary you watch could have been a third shorter.
But yeah, the guy with the neck bomb and his fucking head blows off.
They send him into a bank and they still don't really know if he was involved or he wasn't involved.
It's a really good documentary.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a ton of them now.
doug stanhope
What's the Wild Wild West?
joe rogan
Wild Wild Country is about a sex cult that took over a town in Oregon in the 1980s.
doug stanhope
I was looking for that.
That's the one I was looking for, but I know it was the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh.
To search Bhagwan...
I wouldn't even know how to spell that.
I wouldn't even know how to spell that enough for Google to correct it.
joe rogan
Did you know about this whole thing before the documentary series came out?
doug stanhope
I knew about it.
joe rogan
I never heard about it.
doug stanhope
But not in depth.
And I've heard it's a fucking brilliant documentary, but I didn't know the name.
I'm amazed I just said Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh.
joe rogan
That is pretty amazing.
I just call him Osho, which is what they call him later, right?
But it's...
I didn't know it happened.
I had never heard that this was a thing.
That there was a whole town that had gotten taken over by this wacky cult.
I never heard a peep about it.
So when this documentary series came out, this was all like, what?
When was this?
doug stanhope
I remember when it was happening.
joe rogan
Do you?
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's how I remember the name.
But I didn't know the details.
I didn't know the criminal element of it.
I just...
It was like the Reverend something Moon.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Moonies.
doug stanhope
I just remember it existed.
I don't know anything about...
joe rogan
Wasn't that Steve Hassan guy, the guy that's the cult expert, isn't that what he was in?
Wasn't he in the Moonies when he wound up leaving?
Was that what it was?
They found him when he was in college and recruited him.
There's a guy who's an anti-cult educator, and he was in one.
He got roped into one when he was in college.
Catholic?
Well, he's Jewish.
jamie vernon
Unification Church.
joe rogan
Unification Church?
Is that Moonies?
jamie vernon
It says Ex-Moon, so yeah.
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
What does it say?
jamie vernon
It says Annie founded Ex-Moon Inc., so that might be...
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was the Moonies.
I think the Unification Church is Sung Young Moon's church.
See if that's true.
Is it?
Yeah.
So he was roped up with them when he was in college, and he got rescued.
Who rescued him?
Someone's family member or something like that?
I forget the whole story.
doug stanhope
I wonder if Alex Jones ever does that.
Hey, look that up.
Is that true?
No, it's not.
All right.
joe rogan
No.
I don't think he does.
You can't believe that fake news.
I just can't believe I never heard about that whole story until it went down, or until the documentary series went down.
I never heard that story.
It's almost like I was living in an alternative universe.
Like, how did I slip this?
They took over a whole town.
And this is when I was a grown adult.
This was in the late 80s.
Like, how the fuck did I not know about this?
doug stanhope
Well, that's what fucking Scientology did with Clearwater, basically.
joe rogan
Did they?
doug stanhope
Well, I don't know if they took over the town, but they...
joe rogan
Close.
Yeah, close.
But these people took over a ranch.
doug stanhope
I can't believe these Mormons in Salt Lake.
How did I not hear about this?
joe rogan
When you see it, you realize the scope of it.
When you see the old home movies, you realize, like, oh, like, they made a whole town.
They took this whole...
And they said they couldn't have the ranch, they couldn't turn it into this town, they couldn't develop on it the way they wanted to, because they were recognizing that these people were becoming like It's a giant cult that was next door and all these people were moving in.
And so they said, oh really?
Okay, we'll just start buying the houses in this town and knocking on everybody's door and go, how much do you sell your house for?
It's a tiny little house.
Or a tiny little town.
So just like a Bisbee type place.
They started buying everybody's house.
And then they started shipping in homeless people.
They shipped in homeless people and took care of them so the homeless people would vote.
Dude, the whole thing is they let anybody join.
Just get on a bus, you can join.
And they drove them out there to Utah.
And then they created thousands Thousands and thousands of people.
And they took these people and they made them a part of the community and they used them for voting and they took over this town.
It's fucking crazy, man.
When you're watching it, you're just like, how is this not mainstream news?
How is this not like Jonestown Massacre?
It seems almost more impressive.
Less people died.
doug stanhope
Well, I don't know the dark element of that.
That's what I don't remember.
I know they did some fucking things.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want to give it away.
You've got to watch it.
doug stanhope
Yeah, don't give it away.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
And what's amazing is they've got so much footage.
You could see what these guys were like, like carrying machine guns.
They took over the police force.
They called it the Peace Force.
But they've all got fucking semi-automatic rifles and shit.
doug stanhope
Well, it's like Warren Jeffs in, what's it, Colorado City?
joe rogan
I think that's Utah.
doug stanhope
Arizona-Utah border.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a Mormon, right?
doug stanhope
Yeah, he's in prison now, but he's still running things from prison, and the family's still somewhat...
joe rogan
What did they get him on?
They get him on polygamy?
doug stanhope
Yeah, child.
He had a fucking, like, a 16-year-old wife.
One of his wives.
Yeah, child rape.
joe rogan
Oof.
doug stanhope
There's a good documentary about that.
It's a false prophet, something prophet.
Oof.
joe rogan
Do you know that that's the whole reason why Mitt Romney's family is from Mexico?
Did you know that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Mitt Romney's family moved to Mexico back when they made polygamy illegal in Utah.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is this?
An exclusive look inside the compound Warren Jeff shared with 79 sister wives.
He was hashtag ballin'.
79. Homeboy has 79 wives.
doug stanhope
And they're all ugly as fuck.
joe rogan
That's how you gotta roll.
doug stanhope
The hot bitches are not gonna stay.
I think there was a hot one.
That got out.
She's in the documentary.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Mitt Romney clan, they moved to Mexico when they started putting all these restrictions on them.
In the United States, like, no polygamy, no this and that.
doug stanhope
So was his parents?
joe rogan
Super Mormons.
doug stanhope
But were they polygamists?
joe rogan
Well, they were in the ones that left and went to Mexico.
Whether they were still polygamists when they were his parents, I don't know.
But when they initially established that sect...
They moved to Mexico specifically to avoid the laws of the United States.
And there's several of them.
There's more than one family there, and they have to fight off the cartel.
There was a vice piece on it.
Fucking crazy, man.
These people, they're armed to their tits, wandering around their compound.
They got fucking barbed wire fences everywhere, and they're worried about the cartel coming in.
And they get kidnapped, and they have to pay ransom, and everybody knows they have money.
It's fucking crazy, man.
That's Mitt Romney's parents.
doug stanhope
Polygamists versus the cartel?
joe rogan
Yeah, I forget the name of the vice piece.
jamie vernon
Just meet Mitt Romney's Mexican Mormon family.
Drug cartels versus Mormons.
It's a seven-part series.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Oh, that's what it's called.
joe rogan
There it is.
It's fucking wild.
So they go over to Mexico and hang out with these people.
You go to Mexico and they have this enormous Mormon community in Mexico.
Fortified.
doug stanhope
Someone was telling me about you have some viral piece snapping on immigration and anyone who will take away their baby from their parents.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was just me and Duncan talking on a podcast about how crazy it is that people are like, oh, should have broke the law.
unidentified
Should have broke the law.
doug stanhope
Something about trying to get rid of the fucking...
If you believe that's okay, don't follow me.
Don't listen to me.
joe rogan
Well, I said you're not on the team.
Like, the team of humans.
Like, if we're going to act as a country...
The thought is we're going to act as a country.
We've got to all think we're going to help each other.
We're going to support each other.
We're going to look for the values of community from these team members that are on this team together.
But if someone's like, shouldn't have broke the law.
Oh, she's losing her kid.
Shouldn't have broke the law.
How the fuck are you going to let someone like that on the team?
doug stanhope
The way it was described to me last night was that you were telling a lot of your fan base to fuck off.
And I don't know if you're getting what I'm getting.
Is a lot of fucking MAGA, you know, fucking Nazi-type shitheads...
joe rogan
Who also like you.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
And I said it on stage last night that the same way people can be offended at a buzzword without hearing the whole bit because you said cunt or retard or something, they just completely tune out and walk out without hearing the context of the whole piece of material...
The same way people can become attracted to you because you said, you know, faggot Jew.
joe rogan
Right, right, right, right.
doug stanhope
Without hearing the context of the bit.
And I'm having to force people.
Like, I don't want you as a fan.
I have enough fans.
I have my little niche base and you can go away.
And like the libertarians, I have to distance myself from them because that was always a split of...
You know, civil libertarians and Legalize, you know, drugs and that versus snake handling, homeschooling Christian types that don't want the government involved in them raising freak kids.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
doug stanhope
But now it's like, it seems like all the good parts are now just anti-Trump, like we have to vote Democrat and the bad parts of the libertarians are the whole now.
I'm not a fucking...
I lean libertarian...
Not the party, but the ethic, I lean that way, but I'm not calling myself a libertarian anymore because it's a bunch of fucking Nazis.
Not all of them, but I'm saying a lot of people have, it's become, you know, like the good parts have left.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's just a problem with groups.
Whenever you have groups, you're going to have the fringe.
And when you have the fringe, whether it's the fringe stupid or the fringe radical right or the fringe radical left, they sort of define the group and they taint it.
And if you have a group that anybody can join, like, do you have libertarian ideas?
Yes, I do.
I support a lot of libertarian philosophy.
Good.
Become a libertarian.
You'll be with us.
You know Dave Smith at all?
From Legion of Skanks?
doug stanhope
My mayor.
joe rogan
Oh, different guy.
Dave Smith from New York, comic from New York, is a legitimate libertarian.
doug stanhope
I think I just did a podcast with him.
joe rogan
I'm sure you did.
Did you do the Skanks in Legion of Skanks?
doug stanhope
Yeah, but I think it was without Big J. I don't know.
joe rogan
Okay.
doug stanhope
I was...
Promoting my book.
So I was doing like 18 things in a day and drinking the whole time.
I'm a little loose on the details.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know those kind of podcasts.
I think there's...
That's a legitimate concern.
doug stanhope
Like this podcast where I go, you know what, I'm not gonna fucking smoke in his studio this time and I'm not gonna drink.
joe rogan
It's working.
doug stanhope
And here I am.
joe rogan
But the smoke thing's working.
It's not bad at all in here, right?
It's pretty good.
It's way better than it would be if there was no fan thing.
What the fuck were we just talking about?
doug stanhope
David Smith.
joe rogan
Oh, but libertarians.
Yeah, but the problem is just being in groups, man.
Identifying as a right-wing, identifying as a left-wing.
So many people that identify, just grab those ideas that this other team has.
doug stanhope
And usually one issue, immigration, I'm against it, so I'm right-wing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
The rest of your day...
joe rogan
Abortion.
If you're pro-choice, you have to be left-wing.
Like, there's the right-wing people that go pro-choice, they get attacked.
doug stanhope
That's one of those weird things where I think racism will stop them overturning Roe vs.
Wade.
joe rogan
Racism will?
doug stanhope
Yeah, they're against abortions, but not for all these Mexicans having all these kids.
joe rogan
That might be the only way.
Right?
doug stanhope
I was on Frankie Boyle's show and I was saying that the only way that Trump would overturn gun control or put in gun control laws is because school shootings are the only time he's not on CNN. It takes like 30 people to die on a schoolyard before CNN stops talking about him for a minute.
Steals his air time.
We're going to ban these assault rifles because I'm not getting air time.
They're talking about these dead kids.
joe rogan
Get me back on TV. Even if they had a story about a school shooting, they would have Russia scrolling across the bottom.
The scroll across the bottom is like the ultimate insult to your attention span.
It's like, I know you can't pay attention to just what's on the screen, stupid, so I want to give you some extra data.
How about the stock market?
I'll leave it for you up here.
You know how much money you're losing constantly.
And then follow this ticker tape of sadness and despair below you.
doug stanhope
Are you in the stocks?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I mean, I have a business manager and some of it's invested in some different things, but I don't pay attention to it.
doug stanhope
I get some stocks where a friend of mine talked me into...
And I get it, like, every couple months my stockbroker calls, Doug, it's Steve Viafor!
I want to make some moves!
And, like, last time I actually wrote down, he'll just start spewing this jargon where I put him on speakerphone in the van when we're on the road so everyone can hear his...
He just...
I go, do you fist pump?
Are you on top of a desk like Wolf of Wall Street fist pumping as you're selling me this bullshit?
Because I have no idea what you're talking about.
unidentified
Oh...
doug stanhope
But it's fun.
I get stocks.
Initially, it was in everything terrible, like Philip Morris and Kraft.
And Bingo's like, can the Kraft be my...
I love Kraft macaroni and cheese.
Can that be my stock?
I go, yeah.
You can look it up in the USA Today to see if it went up or down.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's tobacco money.
I mean, you smoke cigarettes.
You should be allowed to invest in tobacco.
doug stanhope
But yeah, they're into a lot of other shit, too.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
doug stanhope
I don't know if I own that anymore.
I had Pfizer stock.
joe rogan
That's a good one, too.
doug stanhope
Yeah, Viagra, Kraft macaroni and cheese, and fucking cigarettes.
Sure.
joe rogan
Just the stock market itself.
Just trying to pay attention to that, too, on top of all the other shit you're supposed to be paying attention to.
You're supposed to be paying attention to stocks and bonds and up and down and...
doug stanhope
Yeah, I stopped paying attention because I'd get these calls where he's moving it into this and I don't know and then I have to fucking look up if it's up or down and I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Well, if you're working on your act...
If you're going to do your podcast, you're working on your act, you're getting ready to go on the road, you're going over your material, how much fucking time do you have to pay attention to the stock market and really know what you're investing in and really doing the research on the company?
unidentified
Oh, I don't.
joe rogan
Of course.
doug stanhope
No.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
doug stanhope
I get reports and I see if this number is higher than this number.
joe rogan
There's just no fucking time, Douglas.
There's no time.
You know what?
doug stanhope
For you, there's no time.
Because you do a lot of shit, and you're very ambitious.
To an almost pathological extent.
Where I have all the fucking time in the world, and I'm always riddled with anxiety.
Like, I can't...
I do nothing, but I can't enjoy it.
It's not like I'm relaxed, like there's something I should be doing all the time to where I'm paralyzed in bed because I don't know what it is I should be doing.
I know there's something.
joe rogan
Well, I think if you do more things, that feeling goes away.
Like if you do things that you're really tuned into, things that require your attention, then the anxiety of not doing things goes away.
doug stanhope
But then you're doing things.
I want to enjoy doing nothing.
Like I told you, after this week, by the time this airs, it'll be Monday, and I will be retired.
And I do this as often as I can.
Every few years, I quit comedy.
In my mind, where I just, I have nothing on the books.
I have no dates booked.
Now I don't have an act.
I have used this act in every fucking English-speaking place that I've done, you know, all of the U.S., and now I've done everything international.
I've done fucking expats in Vietnam have heard this fucking act, and I have to start from scratch, and that's, we talked about this, you're starting a new hour.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ruthless.
It's a ruthless process.
doug stanhope
So I want to have that moment, mentally, where I can do anything in the world right now.
I can just, I can fuck off, I could write another book, or I could, but I have no commitment.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
And just having that.
And I still won't enjoy it, because I'll just sit there, anxiety-fueled, going, uh, I should do something.
joe rogan
Well, we're always looking for a break.
We're always looking for that moment of relaxation, the moment where I just, ah.
But sometimes your brain is wired.
doug stanhope
For me, that means having nothing...
I don't want to have a gig booked a fucking year from now.
joe rogan
But when you do that, do you feel good?
You've done it a few times.
Do you feel good?
doug stanhope
I can make it a few months.
I'm not a person who needs to be on stage.
I can not do that, but I have to do something.
Do you get bored?
No, I drink too much.
Because I have no reason not to.
Hey, sure.
Mimosas at 11?
Well, that's not going to stop.
joe rogan
Well, you've written two books now.
Yeah.
Do you write books during those periods?
Or do you just write them during normal times?
doug stanhope
I wrote those two books because I agreed to and cashed the check first.
Then you have to write the book.
I'm not a guy who does things on spec.
unidentified
Zzz.
doug stanhope
Hey, this is a great idea for a TV show.
Let me write it up and shop it around.
No.
I get to check first, or I sign the contract first, or I agree to do the gig first, and then go, fuck, I'm going to have to have a new hour before I do that tour.
And then I start writing.
But again, I have minimal needs.
My shit's paid for and I don't have kids.
I'm not in a pickle like you.
joe rogan
No, you've done it really well as far as how to manage your time.
Manage your time and manage your freedom.
You got it in a good place.
You've been very smart with money too.
You didn't do anything stupid and get drawn out, you know?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Live low.
joe rogan
Yeah, just live smart.
Buy thrift store clothes.
I live in a small town.
It's a good way to do it, man.
I think what I seek that I don't have right now is the balance between the large numbers of people, the pressure, and then more downtime.
I feel like I don't have enough downtime.
And then I just think, just as a person who's paying attention to the way my brain works, I'm like, this is not that healthy.
I'm doing too many things.
I should have less things to do.
doug stanhope
It was so much fun to watch you at that, what's the show you did, stand up off the top of your head.
joe rogan
Oh, stand up on the spot.
doug stanhope
Stand up on the spot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
And you're like, yeah, it's really fun.
Come on up.
Yeah, you just, and I saw you do that the last time I was in town, and it was fucking brilliant.
I go, that was just, you were just riffing that?
That's not, because you were talking about, yeah, I only have like 10 minutes, like I'm trying to write a new act, and I only have like 10 minutes of good material, and then I watched you do 10 minutes off the fucking top of your head that was brilliant, but it was really funny to see you in that back bar going, yeah, but I gotta be fucked up to do it.
Hammer and drinks.
joe rogan
You kind of have to be.
I've done that show sober.
You want to be super high and at least two drinks in.
That's what you want.
You want to be lit.
You don't want to be too lit because then you'll go down a dumb path that doesn't really work.
You want to be lit enough that you're lubed.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're lubed, but you're still moving good.
You still go, oh, okay, here's what's wrong with that.
Whom!
And then you go right into it like it's a bit.
doug stanhope
Just start talking and wait for the funny words to come out.
Don't pause.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't think about it too much.
doug stanhope
Don't think, just start talking.
joe rogan
Just exercise those weird improvisational muscles, you know?
But it doesn't always work.
My last one was not good.
I did one like a month and a half ago or two months ago.
When was the last one?
It wasn't good.
I got nothing out of it.
Sometimes you just get nothing.
doug stanhope
Do you record?
joe rogan
Yeah, always.
Yeah, yeah.
You'll get these gems out of that show where you're like, oh geez, this is my next five minutes.
I've got it.
It's right there.
I know where this goes.
This is going to go to that, and that'll go to this, and I can tie it all together.
Boom.
doug stanhope
I record, but it...
To get to that gem, if I just did an hour and 40 minutes, hammered, and there was three things.
Well, Bingo used to be on the road with me, and she would sit in the back with a yellow legal pad, and she knows my act.
So if I come up with something new, she'll write that down, and the next day in the van, go, oh, you said this, you said this.
I'm like, oh, fuck, that's great.
And you don't have to listen to yourself and cringe for fucking 90 minutes.
joe rogan
But you know what, dude?
Here's the thing.
Listening to yourself and cringing is good for the act.
doug stanhope
It's the best thing.
It's the best thing you can do.
But at the same time, I hate myself so much that it's disheartening.
Is that what I sound like?
I shouldn't do this.
I fucking suck.
joe rogan
Familiarity breeds contempt.
And when it's yourself, too, if you're going to be worth a fuck, you're going to be hypercritical of yourself.
It's just a fact.
So you're watching or listening to yourself and you're just like...
Oh, shut the fuck up.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Oh, it's the worst.
I heckle myself.
Alone listening to myself in Dropbox and I'm like, just get to the fucking point!
Yelling at myself.
joe rogan
What do you record with?
You record with your phone?
doug stanhope
Chaley records.
unidentified
Chaley records.
joe rogan
What is it?
Does he use an MP3 player or something like that?
doug stanhope
It's a little unit that we...
If we're on the road and we just bring two mics to podcast on that little thing...
joe rogan
Oh, like a Zoom?
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Yeah, the Zoom.
joe rogan
Yeah, that'll be better.
I think it's that.
I do it on my phone just so I have them there all the time and then I listen to them on my way home.
I have a ritual.
I listen to the set on the way home unless I don't have to.
Like if I do a set and I'm like, that was just textbook.
It was just by the book.
doug stanhope
Autopilot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But if there was some new bit or one of those stand-up on the spot shows, I listen to it all the way home.
And then once I get home, then I'll break out the laptop.
Then I'll start writing.
I'm like, alright, I got the spark going.
Let's see what the fuck comes out of this.
And I just feel like a lot of it is just throwing shit against the wall until something sticks.
And if you're not out there throwing shit, it's not going to stick.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
But while you're doing it, I can't believe I'm throwing all this shit.
doug stanhope
A lot of times when you get so bored with a bit you know...
Any special, I probably have three...
I have to do these three bits, but then you're tired of them, and then I just start fucking around with it, just to make it interesting for me.
That's a lot of the times where you find, oh, this works.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sometimes it works better, right?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sometimes you'll find...
Comedy is one of those weird things that you have to do it in front of people.
You can write and you can get seeds, but you got to plant those seeds in the dirt of the crowd.
This is the only way.
It's the only way.
Occasionally I'll come up with a bit and it's done when I come up with it.
Like I know the premise, I have the setup, I got the punchline, boom, and it's done.
And you can bring it to the stage and it never changes.
But that's like one out of a hundred bits.
Maybe, right?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
This was my first show in the States since March.
I started in Southeast Asia, and then Australia, and then Canada, and then the UK. And I go, I know a lot of these tags are going to fucking work if I ever get back to the States.
This is not getting what it should get, but it's also...
And there was other bits.
Last night was my first show in the States where...
I'm really excited to see it.
Usually it's the opposite, where I go, I don't know if any of this is going to work in fucking Europe.
joe rogan
Right, right.
doug stanhope
Now it's like, I can't wait to see what works, like what people will get offended at, that they don't give a fuck in Australia.
Right.
It's never too brutal there.
But with the seismic shift in the political and social landscape now.
joe rogan
It really has been seismic, right?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
But my audience is pretty much immune to that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Where, hey, you can't talk about this anymore.
I can.
joe rogan
Well, it reinforces your audience.
It reinforces your relationship with the audience because they know, oh, well, Doug will give us the real deal.
He'll give us real comedy.
People are scared to do real comedy right now.
Real comedy requires, occasionally, it requires offense.
unidentified
You gotta offend people.
doug stanhope
I don't have a sponsor or a network that can, you know, sanction me.
joe rogan
They will fire you for anything now.
It's the weirdest time ever for getting fired.
People are getting fired for things that don't make any sense.
doug stanhope
I'm not popular enough to get protested or have people try to, you know, Lean on the venue.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Yeah, I think it will be good for me.
joe rogan
Well, Jamie, is it you that said that Kanye West, that people were calling the area at the time we live in, cancel culture?
This is cancel culture.
And everybody is just looking to cancel things.
Cancel Roseanne Barr.
Cancel that bitch.
doug stanhope
I was talking to you about, at the same time, I have to watch how I freeze things because I don't want that fucking Nazi element.
unidentified
Right.
doug stanhope
Right.
I'm talking in hyperbole.
Yeah, they're not Nazis, but a lot of people that are fuckheads.
I don't want that group.
I am not anti-Me Too by any means, although I do make jokes about it, and I have rape material, and I have...
But I... It's almost like the fucking Me Too movement has pushed the fucking MAGA people into my court.
Like, hey, don't fucking move them over here.
joe rogan
That's funny.
Yeah.
It's a funny time.
It's a time of great communication, for good or for bad, and probably for both.
But there's more communication going on right now than pretty much ever.
Any time that I could ever remember.
doug stanhope
I'm furrowing my brow at what you mean by communication, because I think there's a lot of disinformation.
joe rogan
I'm not saying spectacular lines of thinking that lead to transformative shifts in culture.
But it's just yapping.
More people are yapping in comments.
They're yapping on Twitter.
They're yapping on Facebook.
They're yapping on Instagram.
There's more yapping.
It's more blogs and yapping and video yapping.
There's more communication.
doug stanhope
There's a lot of opinions.
My Twitter feed where you go, hey, you used to write jokes on here.
I know.
joe rogan
Ari put a whole thing about all these comedians saying things that aren't even remotely funny about issues.
doug stanhope
And how uninformed are a lot of those opinions?
If you questioned a lot of these comics, three levels below the surface, how much do you really know about this issue that you're speaking about?
Because I remember when I... Boo!
That's just surface knowledge enough to make it funny and then I move on.
I'm not home studying this shit afterwards.
I know enough to make a salient point, which I can stand behind, but if you had me on a panel talking about it, now all I know is the bit.
That was the extent of my knowledge with a fistfuck joke at the end.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Again, it's too much shit to know.
There's no way you could know most of the issues that are pressing today.
There's no way.
If you have an actual job and an actual life and friends and shit you like to do, there's no way.
So we've got a bunch of people that are arguing about shit that they're not even barely informed about.
doug stanhope
And my brain is beaten to a pulp.
Again, I read a book, two days later, I remember if I liked it or not.
And I might remember one fact from that that I can turn into a bit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What do you think your brain is occupying?
How do you think it's operating?
Do you think your brain is operating at 50% of what it was when you were 21?
75%?
doug stanhope
I care about a lot less.
joe rogan
Right.
So how much of it is that?
doug stanhope
Well, I mean, a lot of it is fucking alcohol and age.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
I blame the alcohol probably as much as I should, but I know people that are my age that they can't remember a fucking thing and they don't drink.
joe rogan
Well, I think too many things happen to people in their lives, too.
I think it's impossible to remember everything.
You know, they have that thing where you can only keep a certain amount of people in your brain.
It's all Dunbar's number.
A certain amount of people in your tribe, like 150 people.
You can keep intimate relationships with 150 people in your brain.
I bet that's the case with life experiences, too.
I bet that's the case with information.
I think you only have a certain amount of database space in your brain.
And I think some people really exercise it and expand the capacity and get it pretty impressive, but there's still only room for a certain amount of shit.
If you're really paying attention to some things, the other things you're kind of half-assed.
It's just the way of being a person.
We're not designed for perfect output in every single category of things that we do.
We're designed to pay a lot of attention to some things, and as long as food and shelter is taken care of, we kind of barely pay attention to other things.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we do mostly.
But today, the chatter, the yapping back and forth and people wanting to be right.
I mean, I watch battles, like Twitter battles, all day long sometimes.
Just watch these people go back and forth.
Everybody just trying to be right.
That's never happened before.
There was never this much, because people are doing this mostly probably while they're at work, right?
They're supposed to be doing other shit and like, oh yeah?
Well, I'll show you, you fucking piece of shit, you fucking Nazi.
You know, and they're just typing shit at each other and going back and forth with each other when they're not getting anything done.
doug stanhope
They're supposed to be working somewhere.
It's an old bit about nationalism, but...
Because of the current climate, people tweet that clip a lot.
And then, because my name is in, then they start an intellectual Twitter war, which is the worst, when people are using big words and fucking lots of facts and excerpts from Smart Fuck Magazine in a Twitter battle.
It's one thing, yeah, fuck your mother.
unidentified
Right.
doug stanhope
My team's better than your team and that shit.
But when they're having these intellectual discourses about whatever, fucking climate change or nationalism or immigration, but they keep me in the fucking thing because it started with a...
YouTube clip so my name, my handle is in there and they don't take me out of the fucking thing so I'm involved in these long threads between two assholes who are trying to outsmart each other.
You're doing this on Twitter.
You can't have a legitimate argument.
That's what I told Roseanne.
Don't fucking try to tweet your way out of this.
joe rogan
Right.
doug stanhope
If you're going to tweet at all, just keep tweeting crazy shit until it puts the tweet in question into this fog of war.
If I was a fucking cleaner, I would have flown to her house.
If I was Ray Donovan, I would have flown to her fucking house and I would say, keep...
Here's more Ambien.
Here's more fucking malt liquor.
You just keep tweeting crazy shit until it's completely fucking snowed over.
joe rogan
Until that's the least of your problems.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's so true.
I think most of the people that are tweeting all day either don't have a job and they're just addicted to Twitter, or they're at work and they're just fucking off and they're supposed to be working.
And so this is way more engaging to them because they're already stuck in this office, so they're making sport.
Out of, like, going after people or getting at people or communicating with people.
They're making sport out of it.
It's flexing their intellectual muscles because they're, you know, trying to find a good argument to your point that makes you look fucking stupid.
Doing it in 280 words.
It's fucking fascinating.
doug stanhope
I mean, we've all done it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
doug stanhope
I love Twitter trolling.
But when it's stupid, just like fucking with people.
joe rogan
Well, you were trolling way back in the day.
doug stanhope
Message board.
joe rogan
But you were trolling child molesters.
doug stanhope
Oh, yeah, yeah.
An AOL instant messenger those days.
Yeah, that's the book I made a best of.
Honestly, that was the funniest shit I've ever written.
What year was this?
That was the late 90s.
When I did the aristocrats, and they go, you just make up the joke however you want it.
I just took verbatim stuff I did baiting pedophiles and just used the shit I was doing fucking with them.
joe rogan
I almost forgot about your baiting.
You had a website, right?
doug stanhope
They had a website.
joe rogan
They had a website.
doug stanhope
And they had stopped doing it because they got bored with it.
So it was like fucking Huckleberry Finn painting the fence where, oh, hey, we'll get you to...
I asked them, hey, can I do this and submit them to your site?
I don't know how we had that much fucking time.
I would spend 14-hour days just trying to get a fucking full one because you'd get one that went halfway through and the guy bails out because he figures out you're fucking with him and it's not printable.
How did I have that much time?
I remember spending 12 hours on free poker sites, playing poker, and then trolling the people because you can chat while you play poker and then fucking with people and just being an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
doug stanhope
How did I have 14 fucking...
joe rogan
Because you didn't have a job.
doug stanhope
I still don't have a job.
And I still have probably that much free time.
But now I'm successful.
So I feel like I have to keep doing something productive.
joe rogan
Well, you're also wiser.
You realize, like, how much time you actually invested into that versus what you got out of it.
You know, I mean, how many different pedophiles did you try to contact for one of them started talking about his death?
doug stanhope
Well, you have to wait for them to contact you, was the point.
Because you have your profile set up.
I'm a 13-year-old girl, like, hot talk with older men.
joe rogan
Oh, you wrote that?
doug stanhope
Yeah, however you set it up.
I mean, it's written cleverly, so you're not getting other fucking 13-year-old kids talking to you.
But just the amount of time fucking off and having fun with it.
joe rogan
There was a funny story that I heard about a DEA, undercover DEA agent, who moved in to try to arrest another undercover DEA agent, and they were playing each other back and forth against each other, and they didn't know that both of them were cops the entire time.
You fucking assholes.
Just wasting money.
Just wasting money investigating each other.
So fucking stupid.
Both sides undercover.
Like, what the fuck, man?
If Trump started talking about that, if he really wanted to keep people around...
If you really wanted to get people on the side, I think what he would do is start making drugs legal and start saying, listen, folks, there's a reason why there's a problem in Mexico.
And when you talk to real economists and real advisors...
doug stanhope
Oh, you were talking about that on stage last night.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The real problem is the drug war.
Make drugs legal.
doug stanhope
I was thinking about that, but...
Well, first, meth is a fucking...
It's just such a fucking horrible drug.
joe rogan
Ruthless.
They make a lot of that in Mexico as well.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a ruthless drug.
It's a ruthless drug.
But I think part of the reason why it's so fucked up is because all of it is illegal.
I mean, that's a big part of why it's so fucked up is because it's not regulated.
It's not measured.
It's the doses are not...
It doesn't say on the box what'll kill you.
You know, you can go and buy this old camp whiskey at any corner store, right?
You just go in there and buy it.
Drink that whole thing.
Drink that whole thing if you weigh 100 pounds.
You're dead.
You're dead.
We all know that.
doug stanhope
I was thinking about that.
If I did run for mayor, I'd have a, like, they have the gun exchange programs.
joe rogan
You have a meth exchange?
doug stanhope
Yeah, a meth for mushrooms.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a great exchange.
doug stanhope
Yeah, give them good drugs.
They're doing this because it's cheap and available.
Well, get them on good drugs.
joe rogan
That's actually a really good way to approach the subject.
It wasn't one of the things that Hunter S. Thompson said when he was running for sheriff of Pitkin County.
He said, any drug worth taking shall never be sold.
And we'll put stocks in the middle of the city to lock up dishonest drug dealers.
It's like drugs should be free.
We're going to arrest drug dealers.
I think if we made everything legal, we'd have real problems, for sure, for quite a long period of time.
The question is whether or not you have enough resources to parent your kids to keep those problems from happening to your family, whether or not you have enough self-control to keep yourself from being one of those problems when drugs become legal and accessible.
But then, once it's settled down, From there forward, we'd be moving in a way healthier place.
And you essentially take all of the money out of the cartel.
They're not making any money anymore.
And then they're not going to be this murderous gang.
It's going to take a while for things to dissipate, but look what they did to Colombia.
I mean, Colombia used to be fucking crazy, and now you can go there and it's supposed to be really nice.
You go to Bogota, it's supposed to be a really nice place.
It's safe.
doug stanhope
I want to go to South America, and I can't...
I mean, yeah, South America, it's the only continent I haven't been to.
Antarctica doesn't count, but there's nothing...
I've never found a place that looks like I want to go there.
joe rogan
Argentina looks badass.
doug stanhope
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Argentina's near the glacier.
It's fucking beautiful down there.
Yeah.
doug stanhope
I know Rhodes talks highly about it, but he's Argentinian.
unidentified
Is he?
doug stanhope
Some of his...
He's got family down there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, there's some fucking beautiful spots.
Beautiful spots in this country.
In this world.
But South America, the weirdest thing is how much jungle it is.
You look at how much of Bolivia and Brazil, how much of it is actual jungle.
You're like, holy shit!
Like, no wonder why these people down there.
doug stanhope
But almost every one of them has some kind of fucking rebel army shit going on and kidnapping.
There's nothing that seems safe like Costa Rica.
You know you're probably not going to have a lot of issues.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
doug stanhope
But everything I've looked up is...
joe rogan
I was on the beach in Costa Rica with my kid and some dude offered me coke.
I was walking holding hands with a five-year-old and dude was offering me coke.
I'm like, not right now, brother.
unidentified
Not right now.
joe rogan
It's just like, I'll just get you whatever you want, gringo.
You know, you come down here to party?
I know you don't live here, motherfucker.
You come here for a good time.
doug stanhope
Where'd you go?
joe rogan
I don't remember, man.
It was a couple of years ago.
But we drove to a couple of different places in Costa Rica.
doug stanhope
Did you fly into San Jose or Liberia?
joe rogan
Liberia.
And then we went to the rainforest, did the zip lining.
Dude, I heard a horrible thing.
doug stanhope
Yeah, that was just the honeymoon couple in Roatan.
joe rogan
Yeah, they crashed into each other and killed the guy and put the girl in a coma.
They crashed into each other on a zipline.
doug stanhope
Yeah, so one of them gets stuck and the other guy's coming down.
It's like a fat kid and a fucking water slide gets stuck in the tube and then the next one comes down and smashes into him.
joe rogan
You're going so fast too, man.
You're going so fast.
You're on that zipline.
You're flying.
doug stanhope
I did that once, just to say I did something the first time I went to Costa Rica.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
That's enough.
After that, I'm happy, fat on a boogie board.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did it once too, and I kept thinking, when do they check this wire?
This wire's a mile long.
How are they checking this wire?
doug stanhope
It's not a strong work ethic in Costa Rica either.
joe rogan
No, no.
Those dudes who work there, who are just climbing up and hitching people onto those things, like, they're a little too comfortable with the edge.
Those people are just a little too comfortable with hanging off of trees, clipping ropes onto wires, and shooting you down.
They're a little too casual.
A little too casual about that endeavor.
doug stanhope
Yeah, one of the scariest things I've ever done is the cab ride from Haco to San Jose in the capital, and they're fucking speeding around what should be like 15 mile an hour curves, and there's an ox in a cart in the fucking middle of the road, and you just say, there's a head-on collision coming now!
joe rogan
Yeah.
One of the things that I used to always be fascinated by Bourdain's show was his willingness to continue to go to these places where you had to take these trucks down these dirt roads and you look out the window and you see a sheer cliff and up ahead there's a fucking landslide.
Now they've got to bring in a tractor to move the rocks away from the landslide.
Oh, dude.
doug stanhope
God damn it.
Vietnam, where you're in the cab from the airport, and there's just a sea, like a Sturgis of Vietnamese people.
They're all on this sea of motorcycles and scooters.
unidentified
And you're literally...
doug stanhope
Moving in your seat.
And somehow it works like Cirque du Soleil.
It looks like they're going to crash, but they don't crash.
joe rogan
Like those birds in the sky that move together?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do they figure that out?
How do all of them get together?
Look at all these people.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is insanity.
That is just straight insanity.
There's nothing there.
Cars are just driving through.
Have you ever been to Mexico City?
doug stanhope
That might be the view from where I was staying.
I was staying in the hotel where they have the iconic picture of the last helicopter, CIA helicopter, taking off from the roof of the hotel and people are climbing to be the last person on the hotel.
That was the hotel we were at.
Where that helicopter was landing is now a rooftop bar.
unidentified
Wow.
doug stanhope
And that was the hotel we did the gig in.
joe rogan
Vietnam's supposed to be awesome.
doug stanhope
No?
If you're adventurous, if you're Tom Rhodes, I'm sure it's fantastic.
If you're me, where you're terrified to go out of the hotel, no.
No, not at all.
That rooftop bar is great.
joe rogan
Bourdain loved it.
It was like one of his favorite places to go.
He loved Vietnam.
doug stanhope
No, that's where he ate with the president.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Obama.
joe rogan
That's right.
doug stanhope
Who I still call the president.
joe rogan
The president.
He's my president.
He was my president.
Did you see when NBC wrote out about Oprah?
Here's to our president.
There was an amazing speech by our president.
NBC put it on their Twitter page.
And then someone came along and went, what the fuck are you doing?
doug stanhope
I love what people say.
When you complain about something and they go, yeah, well, Obama did the same thing and no one said it.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
doug stanhope
I didn't know?
And that's not the point.
joe rogan
It still sucks.
doug stanhope
Yeah, he sucks too.
They act like when you make a point about an issue that it's a left or right thing, where you're actually defending a person.
No, this is fucked up and wrong.
Well, Obama did it.
Well, that's still fucked up and wrong.
I think Obama's a really fucking cool guy as a personality.
But I'm sure every president...
Yeah, Bill Clinton did horrible fucking things and increased sentencing for fucking drug stuff.
Yeah, but he was a good personality and I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Imagine being a guy or a girl that's supposed to be paying attention to every single issue that's going on in this country and making decisions about all of it and doing it all, investigating every single issue perfectly, getting all the right advice from all the advisors, carefully considering each and every step.
Get the fuck out of here.
There's no way they can.
There's no way the president really knows what's going on with all the different problems in this country.
There's no fucking way.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Impossible.
doug stanhope
If we just became a cool country like Norway...
Close all the bases around the world.
Don't be world police.
We're just going to be a fun country like fucking Iceland.
joe rogan
Right.
doug stanhope
Just bring all the troops back and no more.
You know what?
Go ahead.
We're disarming.
You guys, I think shit would calm down.
I think the world would calm down.
joe rogan
As long as we kept our guns.
As long as we keep our weapons and keep the same amount of people in the military, bring them back home, make them exercise here.
The problem is as soon as any one superpower drifts away, they leave a vacuum, and another superpower will try to rise up.
That's the big fear.
That's what the big military proponents fear, is that if we're not strong, someone else will become stronger, and then we'll be weak, we'll be attacked, and that it does happen other places in the world, and we can't be so naive as to think it'll never happen again.
doug stanhope
So give it a shot, and if it doesn't work out, fuck it.
And I don't know how you can take any president seriously.
Now, as we're aging and put time in perspective, four years is nothing.
So I'm going to make a deal with you, and four years later, there's going to be another asshole who goes, nah, never mind.
Scrap that.
I think a dictator's not a bad thing, as long as he's a good one.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have a benevolent dictator.
That's what you want, like a monk.
doug stanhope
No, I dictate we all have a good time.
Fucking 15-hour work week.
joe rogan
Well, here's the real question.
The United States was founded because people had decided they didn't like the way things were running in Europe.
They didn't like monarchies.
They didn't like being under the rule of a king or a queen.
They wanted to do it by elected officials.
They wanted to have a representative democracy or a representative democratic republic.
They wanted to figure out something new.
So they came over here and did it.
What would be the resistance?
What if, say, everybody tried to do what they did up in Oregon and start a new country somewhere?
And people are like, fuck this.
We're gonna go to this spot.
Look, global warming is clearing off some nice swatches of land in Antarctica.
We're just gonna move up there.
It's fucking beautiful and green.
Just fuck it.
We're done.
We're done.
And then over there, we're gonna barely have an army and just have a bunch of dudes on the lookout with guns, make sure we don't get robbed.
And that's it.
And, you know, healthcare, yeah, we'll pay for that.
Education, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll pay for education.
Yeah, do whatever you want to do.
doug stanhope
Everyone's going to have 19 fucking kids and ruin it.
That's the problem, right?
Overpopulation.
joe rogan
But how long would it take to overpopulate Greenland?
doug stanhope
Well, that's what they were trying to do.
I looked into Greenland as a weird place to go visit.
Iceland is fantastic.
It's just a little dull.
That's the problem with all these...
The best place to live is Norway and Scandinavia and Iceland.
But there is a...
It's kind of, everyone's nice.
It's like going to fucking, yeah, northern Minnesota, and everyone's nice, and there's no excitement.
There's no...
joe rogan
Right.
A buddy of mine that just said that about...
doug stanhope
Adrenaline.
joe rogan
...Montana.
He said he was living in Bozeman, and I said, you didn't love Bozeman?
He's like, it's all a bunch of boring white people that just, they're really into bikes.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really into biking and being fit.
doug stanhope
Yeah, they have great calves.
joe rogan
That's what he said.
doug stanhope
Great calves and tans.
joe rogan
Boring white people.
But I mean, that's one of the good things about what you do is that you could be in your town and then you can go other places.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you always have that town.
Versus if you get stuck.
Like, we were talking about people that are just living in Columbus, Ohio their whole life.
Not to pick on Columbus, but St. Louis, whatever.
Name a city.
Versus someone who travels around all over the place.
The same can be said about someone who lives in L.A. If you grow up here and you think this is the world...
This crazy, congested slab of humans piled on top of each other.
No, the rest of the world.
There's some spots we can go to where there's hardly anybody.
You ever been to Idaho?
You do Boise?
doug stanhope
Oh, I lived in Idaho.
joe rogan
Did you?
doug stanhope
Yeah, I lived in a town of 400 people for a while when I was 22. No shit.
Yeah, a little cabin on the South Fork of the Payette River, about 55 miles north of Boise.
joe rogan
There's some lakes up there where you go, I shouldn't even be allowed to be here.
Like, this is too pretty.
Like, this seems like you should have to pay to be here, or this should be restricted access or something.
Like, it's fucking gorgeous up there.
doug stanhope
I was 22, and my wife left me.
I moved to Boise just because it sounded funny.
And I was doing that fraud telemarketing so I could do it anywhere there's a phone.
I'm in business.
And then...
After we moved to Boise and immediately my wife left me for my best friend We all moved out there together and then my other buddy that moved with us couldn't handle the stress So he went back to Vegas.
So I moved all my shit to Boise and within two weeks.
I'm alone So I moved up to this fucking I bought a cabin like a For sale by owner like I didn't get a loan.
I was like, I'm just going to give you...
What do you call it?
I just signed a contract and I'll pay you.
I didn't go through a bank.
joe rogan
Right.
Owner financed.
doug stanhope
Owner financed.
And a little cabin.
Two bars in town.
And you were either a long branch guy or you're the dirty shame guy.
And I was a dirty shame saloon guy.
And I would drive...
Back and forth.
Because in a small town, they open around noon, but not necessarily at noon.
joe rogan
And how old were you then?
doug stanhope
22. That's hilarious.
There's no fucking chicks there.
So you were- I would drive back and forth in front of the bar until Jolene showed up to open.
So if it's 12, 15, I've been just driving back and forth waiting for her to open.
And I lasted like six months, and then I had to ditch out on the fucking- Owner financing.
Yeah, at one point my buddy that moved back to Vegas came up and he was there for a couple months.
But we'd get on the phone just enough to pay our bar tab.
In fact, my bar tab, I traded out furniture when I bailed six months later.
I traded Jolene my furniture in the cabin for my bar tab.
Yeah, it was fucking crazy.
joe rogan
So you could set your own hours when you're doing that scam telemarketing stuff?
You just did it whenever you wanted to?
And they just got, like, you clocked in?
You got paid by the hour?
doug stanhope
No, I was doing it out of my cabin.
Just pick up the phone.
I had leads I stole from Vegas.
joe rogan
And what did you do?
How did that work?
doug stanhope
You'd call up businesses, and you had to pitch, and you won one of these awards, and you just have to buy this many pens, ad specs, advertising specialties, this mug with, hey, Joe, you won a big award, and all you have to do is make a small purchase of these mugs with your business name on them, the Joe Rogan Podcast, and you're guaranteed to win this big award that's worth way more.
joe rogan
Wow, so it was just a total scam.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
doug stanhope
But cleverly phrased, so to stay in that gray area of legal.
Oh, right.
joe rogan
I knew a dude who had a really interesting scam.
He had a scam where they were making...
It was a company that would allow you to fix your credit.
So they would give you a line of credit.
And you would buy things and then pay off the credit and it would boost your credit back.
So if you had fucked up credit, it was allowing you to fix your credit.
But the catch was, the only things you could buy with their credit card was things from their catalog.
doug stanhope
I owe my soul to the company's story.
joe rogan
You know those things?
doug stanhope
I don't know that scam, but I'm seeing where it's going.
joe rogan
Catalogs filled with stuff.
But say if something cost, you know, whatever it was, a toenail clip or if it cost like $3 at the grocery store, there it's $25.
So if you want to buy it, you're giving them a giant chunk of profit.
So they would ship these terrible little items and it would really actually boost these people's credit.
It actually did work.
So it was enough, but it was a total scam.
The only shit they can buy with your credit cards is stuff from your catalog, and everything's marked up through the fucking roof.
And this dude made millions on that.
Made millions.
doug stanhope
That's what ad specs were.
The products, like when I was working for a company originally, we would have the black matte...
Pen with the gold metal Florentine trim and five lines of your ad copy on it.
And we'd be selling these fucking 25 cent pens for like $4 a piece.
But the scam that I was just getting into when I started doing comedy and then bailed out and went full-time in comedy was the invention ones, like the George Foreman.
joe rogan
Oh, like the grill?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Do you have an invention?
And it's just such a great scam because ego's involved and everyone thinks they should be on Shark Tank.
Those kind of people.
And you go, I can't say...
But I think what you have here, and then it's a multi-level where...
joe rogan
Invent help.
There it is.
Submit your invention idea to companies.
doug stanhope
I'm not saying invent help is a scam.
I'm saying scams of that.
Do you have an invention?
And then there's a step one is we're going to do a patent research to see, and this is going to cost you this.
But honestly, Phil...
I think you're on to something.
I can't say that this is a million-dollar idea, but I know when I have a feeling.
It's the way you say it.
It would be so easy, and I was just starting to do that.
joe rogan
Did you feel awful when you get off the phone?
doug stanhope
No.
I didn't feel awful till years later.
Well, I never did get into that fully, where I was just starting to do that out of my house, out of my apartment in Vegas when I'm going full-time in comedy.
But the other scams, no, I never felt bad.
They say, oh, they're ripping off old people.
No, we were ripping off young, greedy fucking people that think they're going to fucking get something for nothing.
Yeah, you know.
joe rogan
How does the invention thing work?
What if someone did have a good invention?
doug stanhope
I don't know.
I never got that far into it.
I was just starting where I go, fuck this.
I don't have time.
I'm doing comedy.
I got an offer.
I moved to Phoenix and I got a job as a house emcee.
About six months after I started.
Fell in love with a girl in Phoenix, moved down there, got a job as a house emcee.
I was getting a free hotel room.
The club was in a Days Inn, I think it was.
So I got a free hotel so I had a place to live and I could do comedy five nights a week.
The gay chef loved me and would give me free food.
unidentified
You do shows in Bisbee now.
doug stanhope
I have other people come to Bisbee.
I filmed my last, it's a throwaway special, but I just did it as an experiment in the funhouse.
It's basically this room.
Maybe not quite this big.
It's an 18x20 box with a bar built and a little tiny stage in the corner.
And I've filmed, it's a pop-off vodka presents an evening with Doug Stanhope.
And we're selling it on VHS. I don't know if we're sold out, but the only physical copies are VHS. Really?
Yeah.
You can get it on Vimeo.
It's digital.
But I took about an hour's worth of material that...
I think there's only 20 minutes on the VHS, just the bit about Pop-Off Vodka Presents, where we tried to get sponsorship with Pop-Off, because it's fucking low-grade, shitty vodka, and I thought that would be a funny sponsor, and Brian reached out through channels.
They said Pop-Off wouldn't touch Doug Stanhope with a 10-foot pole.
joe rogan
That's what they said?
doug stanhope
So I have this giant 20 minute fucking bit about it.
And I'm like, I'm going to be sponsored by Pop-Off Vodka against their will.
And I'm going to fucking make a special called Pop-Off Vodka Presents.
And I'm going to keep doing it until they give me a cease and desist.
But I took an hour of material that got cut out of other specials where I go, I really like that bit.
I just had to cut it down to an hour.
I'm going to put this out as the Pop-Off Vodka Presents.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Do they know?
doug stanhope
Haven't gotten a cease and desist.
We sell t-shirts.
Pop Pop Vodka Presents.
Yeah, fuck yeah.
You got a special?
You're gonna tell me you're a fucking rot-gut fucking hobo tranquilizer fucking liquid?
joe rogan
Hobo is always the best word to use.
doug stanhope
I think in the bit, I think I say hobo plasma.
unidentified
I just...
doug stanhope
It was a bit that I... But I want to experiment more with that.
And we've had a bunch of comics.
Olivia Grace, who opened last night, she came down.
Bisbee, for road comics, going to LA. I'm going to do gigs in Austin.
It's kind of on the way, so we've had a bunch of comics down and get drunk and go, hey, let's fucking do a show.
Because...
15 people in that room, it's tiny enough that that's a real audience and we've never had a bad show there.
That's hilarious.
So yeah, I want to film stuff.
I want to start experimenting with just putting out singles.
My bits are fucking...
You have bits that are fucking 17 minutes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
I'm not like Hedberg.
I don't have one-liners.
So I can take...
You know, a 16-minute bid and just sell that as a single.
99 cents on iTunes or I don't know how that side of...
joe rogan
It's not a bad idea.
You know, there's a lot of people that do their podcasts with subscription.
Like Nick DiPaolo just released his new podcast and he's doing a subscription service.
We have to pay to listen to it.
doug stanhope
Can do it.
That's one of the things when I retire is figure out shit like Patreon I've heard about and you can do this.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just get people to give you money.
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's nice.
joe rogan
They just give you money.
doug stanhope
Just give me money.
joe rogan
They just give you money.
Like, I really support you on Patreon.
Like, there's a lot of people that do that.
They just do stuff.
Like, please support my Patreon.
Oh, please give me money.
Yeah, I don't really like working.
I like just talking in front of this YouTube camera.
So if you like me talking, please support my Patreon.
doug stanhope
But when everyone talks about their new hour, I'm doing usually an hour and a half now, and I'm not doing five different bits that I really like that I just got bored with, but I still haven't recorded.
So I could put out...
joe rogan
A chunk of those, like, leftovers.
doug stanhope
Yeah, no one's buying a fucking DVD anymore.
They're getting everything digital.
joe rogan
That's true.
doug stanhope
So, yeah, why not just, hey, this is a great 20 minutes.
I'm tired of it.
Let's put it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not a bad idea.
I mean, you could do YouTube Red, too, or, you know, you do it through subscriptions.
There's a bunch of different ways to do it now.
There's more options every day, too.
It's becoming interesting.
I know Amazon releases a lot of stuff now, too.
They're releasing a lot of stand-up.
It's really kind of amazing that there's only one YouTube.
That's what's really amazing.
I mean, Vimeo does exist, and it is good, but in terms of when people think of one platform where you get videos on, you really only think of YouTube.
doug stanhope
Yeah, and monetizing.
I don't know how any of that works.
joe rogan
Jamie could tell you.
It's not that complicated.
Yeah, a lot of people do it.
doug stanhope
Man, we're going to have to fucking start doing video for our podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, how come you don't like doing that?
doug stanhope
I just hate being on camera.
Like here, you have it subtle enough.
I remember your old studio where I'm looking at my face on a giant TV. I remember tripping that bad, bad thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, we shouldn't have done that way.
That way was dumb because when we realized somewhere along the line that when they were up on that screen, like we would look at ourselves on that screen, it would make you think about it.
And then somewhere along the line I said, let's stop doing this.
It just doesn't seem like the right way to do it.
doug stanhope
Even if it's just a couple of GoPros.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
It's an added unnecessary element you're thinking about.
I don't think about that camera or that camera.
doug stanhope
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
God, I remember the first time I did your podcast and we were sitting on a couch.
So we're side by side, so it's awkward to look.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it was uncomfortable.
Couches are uncomfortable.
To like sit and talk, like sit up and talk, like you're sinking into them.
After a while, your back starts bothering you.
doug stanhope
You want to look across at someone.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to be nine years in December.
Yeah, look at you.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
Amazing.
Yeah, that couch was in Ari's house for a while.
doug stanhope
Oh, you still have the make me hard sign.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was offensive.
Too offensive for Comedy Central.
Yeah, so your fun house is like you have an extra house.
So you have like your main house where you live in, and then you have the fun house that has a bar.
doug stanhope
And then we have a guest house.
joe rogan
And you bought a couple houses in town too, right?
doug stanhope
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Yeah, we got a few.
joe rogan
You're becoming your own Oregon cult.
You just slowly buy up the town.
Start renting it out to people that you like.
doug stanhope
That's the Free State Project.
Remember that whole libertarian movement to try to get everyone to move to one state?
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
And that way we can all vote.
Because we get 1% of the vote nationally, but if we all lived in one state, then we could...
Yeah, then they picked New Hampshire.
I'm like, I'm not going to fucking New Hampshire.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
It's just too hard to get laid up there.
doug stanhope
It's too fucking cold.
joe rogan
It's too cold.
doug stanhope
I haven't seen winter in many years.
joe rogan
I remember Fitzsimmons got kicked out of a gig up there, and they had told him not to drive at night because there's so many moose on the road.
But they kicked him out of the gig for swearing.
They fired him.
When he got there, they had his bags packed when he got off stage.
And they said, you're fired.
Get out of here because you're supposed to be there for the weekend.
And they made him drive home.
doug stanhope
I'm guessing this is a long time ago.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
We were both starting out.
doug stanhope
Fucking Fitzsimmons is a hothead.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a hothead.
doug stanhope
I never saw that in him.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He's Irish.
He's always been a hothead, as long as I've known him.
doug stanhope
I did his podcast a few years ago, and he almost came to fisticuffs with a fucking parking attendant, like, fuck you!
You want to fucking, like...
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah.
doug stanhope
In his face, just fucking beat red.
He was going to beat the fuck out of the guy.
He just ignored me.
He was so angry.
Like, I'm just waiting there to do his podcast, and he just...
He blows by me like I'm a problem too.
Like, fuck.
Just enraged.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
doug stanhope
And psycho.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
And then we get on the podcast and he's fine.
He's a professional.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I fucking love Fitzsimmons.
I do too.
We started out together, like within a week apart from each other.
doug stanhope
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were buddies when we were raw, open micers.
We used to steal jokes from each other.
Like, we didn't really have enough material to do, like, a half an hour.
So, like, he would do some of my shit, I'd do some of his shit, and he'd tell me, oh, yeah, that blowjob bit worked great, and fucking some shithole in the middle of nowhere.
Like, when you, when we first, we were, like, a year in, we were both about a year in when we started getting paid gigs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you're a year in, you really don't have 25 minutes.
doug stanhope
My first, my first, right before I moved to Phoenix, my first paid road gig was in Flagstaff for Sandy Hackett.
And I was co-headlining with a ventriloquist who'd never worked a comedy club.
He only worked his county fair circuits.
And he was, I remember he was so weird, uh, It was an old historic hotel that we were staying in that they put us up in.
The gig is in.
And he moved to a different hotel because this was so old he thought it was a fire hazard.
And he said one time he played a cruise ship and someone threw his dummy overboard.
And he can't go through that again if he lost his dummy in a fire.
So he paid probably as much as he was making for the gig to get his own hotel that was a decent hotel.
Jesus.
I remember, I think I only had to do like 30 or 35 minutes, and I was stretching to get 27 with everything I had.
And I remember stealing some jokes from one of the Vegas open micers where I lived, and going back and say, oh, hey, I used some of your material because I had to fill time, and then I find out later that was stolen material.
joe rogan
And they look at you sideways, oh yeah, okay.
doug stanhope
And it was like really dumb shit.
joe rogan
Don't do it again, okay?
Yeah, those road gigs back then, I mean, you didn't realize it at the time, but all of it...
It builds up to be this giant education in how to do stand-up.
The foundation of those road gigs is irreplaceable.
All my favorite comics, they started out doing the road.
Everybody, Joey, you, Ari, Duncan.
doug stanhope
I don't know if anyone has done this as a gimmick.
This is a town of gimmick shows.
My first notebook?
Has anyone done that?
unidentified
Dude, yeah!
joe rogan
Owen Benjamin!
I mean, not Owen Benjamin.
Owen Smith.
Owen Smith has a show that he does online where I brought him some notebooks from like, 92. 91 and 92. Terrible material.
Terrible.
And we read over some of the jokes and I even had like, forced setups and forced like, audience interaction.
I had fake audience interaction where I'd ask them a question.
doug stanhope
And pretend to hear an answer?
joe rogan
Oh, it was awful.
It was awful.
I'm like, am I right, ladies?
I had that as written in.
doug stanhope
Is this on stage?
joe rogan
We did it in the back bar of the comedy store, and we were going over the notebook just laughing.
doug stanhope
Oh, all right.
joe rogan
But I have quite a few.
doug stanhope
I think that's a fun stage show.
You have to go up and do the act.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Well, the thing is, I don't...
I didn't have the act clearly written out.
doug stanhope
But I'm saying you have to perform material from the first notebook.
joe rogan
Well, back then, if I wrote a hundred things down and one of them was halfway worth talking about, it was amazing.
Because I didn't know what I was doing.
doug stanhope
My first notebook, I have written out my four minutes or whatever it was, including, hi, my name is Doug Stanhope, has written out.
joe rogan
Well, if you want to practice correctly, I know guys who used to practice in front of the mirror.
They would just stand in front of the mirror and do their act.
Hey, am I right or am I wrong?
What do we do here?
doug stanhope
I don't know if I ever did that, but I was certainly the guy pacing in the back alley, saying it out loud, and with the hand gestures and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, just going over it in your head.
I know a guy used to do his act on camera.
He'd do it alone in a room, like in a bedroom, set up a camera, and do his act to the camera, and then go back and watch it and analyze it.
doug stanhope
Oh, you get those emails.
Hey, I'm doing comedy now.
Tell me what you think.
And you click on the link and it's a YouTube of them in their basement just talking to a camera by themselves.
joe rogan
Like with the eyes of that YouTube shooter lady?
Just creepy, reading you off their material?
Imagine having to do it again.
It's one of the things that Dane Cook said once.
The one thing that I could never imagine doing in life is starting over as a stand-up from the beginning again.
doug stanhope
I have an idea, but I don't want to air it.
It's something that I want to do in my retirement years.
It's not quite that.
But when comics ask you The amount of emails, what advice do you have?
How do I start out?
Well, I don't know.
I haven't started in 28 years.
joe rogan
They just want to interact with you.
They're just trying to find a way to interact with you.
If they wanted to figure out how to start out, they're not going to be able to ask you.
They've got to go to open mic nights and ask those people.
doug stanhope
If you haven't done open mic, go to an open mic and ask an open miker.
What do I do?
And if you're an open-miker that wants to get work as an MC, then ask an MC what he did.
Ask the guy just above you, because he knows.
I don't know how the fuck...
Do you think I know what the Dorfmans look for in a fucking...
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, I mean, if you want to be a theoretical mathematician, you don't go to some guy who's teaching at Harvard and say, hey man, how do I get started?
doug stanhope
I haven't gone to elementary school yet, but I'm thinking about it.
joe rogan
People that want advice, there's no way you can give them advice anyway.
You would have to see them a whole bunch of times.
And even then, you'd have to be like, hmm, what are you trying to do?
Where are you trying to go?
And then watch them more.
Watch them try to get better.
I mean, the best advice you could ever give them is do it, listen, Record.
Write down what sucks about it.
Write down what worked well.
Do it again.
doug stanhope
Write, perform, suck, rewrite, repeat.
I've said that as a five-word response.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Write, perform, suck, rewrite, repeat.
joe rogan
Just keep doing it.
You have to keep doing it.
It's something that you're not going to be great.
Anybody who thinks they're going to be amazing at this right off the bat, you're like, ugh.
You can't.
It's not possible.
doug stanhope
And if you're asking me, I might think you suck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
doug stanhope
And if I say, well, you suck, well, other people might think you're funny, so don't listen to me.
That was the best, my refrain.
Joey Scazzola was a guy that was just a little above me, and I was giving advice to a kid that was just below me when I was just above open mic-er.
And Joey pulled me aside.
He goes, don't give these kids advice, because all you're ever doing is telling them how to be like you.
I go, yeah, that's true.
I would have fucking told Dane Cook, yeah, you're never going to be good at this.
Well, I'm not your audience.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, comedy's always going to suffer from that because there's no categories.
You know?
I mean, it's not like blues or...
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
Disco, you know, jazz, rock and roll.
It's just comedy.
And there's different kinds of comedy, different ways of doing it, but there's no categories.
doug stanhope
They used to bill me as X-rated just because there wasn't a category, but they wanted to warn people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I have those signs that I still have on all my shows to this day.
It says, warning, Joe Rogan's show contains the strongest material content imaginable.
Because I got tired of people complaining.
I said, tell them that it contains the most fucked up things imaginable.
So if they read that and they go in, they couldn't be like, wow, I couldn't imagine that.
It says the most mature thing imaginable.
doug stanhope
I remember playing Zanies in Chicago and having a really hard week of walkouts and angry people, even though they billed it as adult or X-rated.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's mine.
doug stanhope
There you are.
joe rogan
I post that.
All my shows.
doug stanhope
I've had that since 1990. Oh shit, that's why you were just in Tucson.
I didn't go.
joe rogan
Tucson's fucking great.
First of all, how cool does the desert look out there?
It looks fake.
The guy who was driving us told us that there were cactuses that have GPS in them because people were stealing cactuses.
So they put GPS in the cactuses and then arrest people at their house with a fucking cactus that they stole from the desert.
unidentified
Yeah.
doug stanhope
Did you drive back after that gig?
joe rogan
We went to Phoenix.
We drove to Phoenix.
doug stanhope
You told me you were doing that.
That's why I didn't come up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Originally, I was going to do other gigs that week, but too many things got moved around, and I wound up flying into Boise the next day.
When you travel to Asia, how many different places do you go where it's all expats?
unidentified
It's all...
doug stanhope
It's all expats.
That's the first time I've done one of those Tom Rhodes tours where Hong Kong, Singapore, we did Shanghai, Ho Chi Minh City, Tokyo.
joe rogan
Tokyo.
Tokyo is fascinating, huh?
It seems like a whole different world like this look at you You've landed in an alien world where the language is all different with the people look like us They're you know, but a little different.
doug stanhope
Yeah didn't like didn't venture out much But yeah, it's pretty weird, but everyone's friendly.
Yeah Singapore is fucking amazing.
It's like that movie Elysium.
Oh really is absolutely safe beautiful No crime.
joe rogan
Super wealthy, right?
doug stanhope
Very wealthy.
joe rogan
Like more than New York City?
Like more expensive to live in than New York City?
doug stanhope
Don't know.
I know it's very expensive.
They were paying for all these five-star hotels and shit where I probably took a bath on the guarantee.
If I paid my own way, I could have done it way cheaper.
It's super wealthy.
Like, Hong Kong is all fucking international banker fucks.
That's high dollar.
And Singapore are the people that pay them.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
doug stanhope
So, you know, it wasn't the expats I was expecting.
joe rogan
So when you're there, like, how big are the places you're doing?
doug stanhope
I was like 600-ish.
joe rogan
Mostly people from the United States?
unidentified
Expats, yeah.
Oh, wow.
doug stanhope
Well, not necessarily.
The States?
joe rogan
Somewhere, England, Australia, Canada.
And there's just a lot of people that move there for work?
doug stanhope
Well, Hong Kong and Singapore, again, a lot of international banker, you know, fucking tight suits, lots of blow, probably.
joe rogan
Skinny jeans and blow.
doug stanhope
Wolf of Wall Street fucks.
joe rogan
Want to see my new car?
Come on.
doug stanhope
Vietnam, Bangkok, it's a little seedier.
joe rogan
How many different places did you do in Asia?
doug stanhope
That was it.
Bangkok, Thailand, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Shanghai, I'm missing a couple.
Tokyo, Yeah, but it was so quick.
So you're doing a different country every day, so every day is another fucking visa, customs, border.
joe rogan
Doesn't that shit just crush you and your immune system, though?
The constant traveling?
When I'm traveling every day, I can only do that a few days in a row.
After a while, I'm like, what?
Because I don't get any sleep.
I don't sleep well when I'm getting up in the morning.
You've got to get up early for the flight.
Then you try to take a nap.
You barely sleep.
You sleep a few hours at night.
You've got to get up in the morning again.
You're doing a show, so you're wired after the show, and then you're like two, three days in.
You're exhausted.
doug stanhope
Yeah, it was pretty brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think the way to do it is to just spread it out over long periods of time so that you do a gig and then you hang out in a city for like a few days, chill out, see what's there, then move on to the next place.
doug stanhope
I liked, alright, let's get it out of the way, because those days off, I go, ah.
joe rogan
Right.
Oh, look at the temple.
doug stanhope
Let's party.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at the Buddha.
Let's drink.
This guy with a Buddha.
doug stanhope
I'm a lot healthier when I have a lot of gigs in a row because then I stay sober until it's showtime.
joe rogan
You tried quitting cigarettes for a while.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
I always try.
joe rogan
How long did you do it for?
doug stanhope
The longest was a year in 2008. Really?
I did six weeks of...
A couple years ago and then got a book deal and went, alright, that's the one thing I can't, fuck, I cannot write and not smoke.
unidentified
Really?
doug stanhope
Yeah, that's the hardest thing to do.
Quitting, like eventually, okay, yeah, I can go, I can drink and not smoke.
I can go out and I can do interviews on the phone.
That's usually where, oh, you gotta do interviews.
I'm chain smoking, but writing, like book writing.
No, it's just...
Constant.
joe rogan
Hinchcliffe had a real problem with that.
Who?
Hinchcliffe.
He would write.
He'd write for roasts and things like that.
Always be smoking cigarettes.
Always associated cigarettes with writing.
But he quit smoking cigarettes and it took him a while.
Said there was a cranky period.
Took a while to get over the hump.
Got one of those vape pens.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
Yeah, Bingo uses those.
That's what I was gonna...
I said, I'm gonna bring your vape pen to Rogan's because I don't want to smoke and ruin his fucking studio again.
joe rogan
I think we're fine.
Seems to be working.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
I mean, I could smell it, but I mean, there's no...
It's not like thick in the air.
The fan works.
Does it have filters, Jamie?
Do we have to clean filters?
Do we know anything?
doug stanhope
After today.
joe rogan
After today, motherfucker.
Douglas, it's already two o'clock.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
We did three hours.
doug stanhope
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
That didn't even make sense.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Time flies by.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anything to tell these fine people?
doug stanhope
I have nothing to promote.
This airs on my first day of retirement.
joe rogan
The retirement of Doug Stanhope, which will be...
doug stanhope
We're going to take a 10-day train trip, going nowhere but on the train.
unidentified
Nice.
doug stanhope
I mean, we go to Chicago, Tucson to Chicago, to Portland, down to LA, and back to Tucson.
Just have some fun.
Hanging around on a train.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
doug stanhope
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love it.
doug stanhope
Love fucking moving.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, you don't have to do anything.
You can do whatever the fuck you want.
That's the American dream.
The American Dream is not just success, it's also freedom, right?
Freedom to do whatever, not be trapped, like, to be wise enough to not be trapped by your bills or your previous commitments, bang it out, make enough money, stockpile your finances, and go, okay, we're good.
It's just fucking chill.
doug stanhope
Live cheap.
Discount meets.
joe rogan
Lesson to you all, America.
Live like Doug Stanhope, or don't.
Is that it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
Good night, everybody.
doug stanhope
Thanks!
unidentified
Bye!
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