Jan. 15, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| We're live, guys. | ||
| Oh, is it live? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| And we're live, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| He wanted a picture quick. | ||
| We're here with the great and powerful Jimmy Smith. | ||
| Welcome to the UFC, Jimmy Smith. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Great to be here, officially. | ||
| Official. | ||
| We wanted to talk about it last time with you on the podcast, but we had to dance around it. | ||
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You and so many people wrote me and were like, Joe, really? | |
| I go, hey, man, Joe's a pro. | ||
| You hinted well. | ||
| We danced around it quite a bit. | ||
| Nobody totally knew. | ||
| And of course, the great and powerful Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Yo, yo, yo. | ||
| Brian Cowen's on the way, but he's bringing wine and cheese. | ||
| He insists on wine and cheese. | ||
| He thinks he's at some fucking cocktail party where they're going to compare scripts. | ||
| That's Brian. | ||
| He's got to have his wine and cheese. | ||
| Duho Choi versus Jeremy Stevens is the main event. | ||
| If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, this is a fight companion podcast, which means we're going to watch the fights. | ||
| Most likely we'll talk about the fights, but we might not. | ||
| We could talk about whatever the fuck. | ||
| Like Eddie and I, we've gone through an entire podcast, we never talked about the fight until like the last round of the main event. | ||
| But Missouri, Missouri Division of Professional... | ||
| Oh, they're in Missouri. | ||
| Is this St. Louis? | ||
| That's what it is, right? | ||
| Yeah, and they haven't adopted the ABC rules. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| For the judging, at least. | ||
| They haven't adopted those in Nevada, which is real weird. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Look how good Michael Johnson looks at 45. Eddie was saying that it's racist to say that, but I don't think it is. | ||
| Look how shredded he is. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good weight class for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, you know, just those Habib Nurmagomedovs, those giant 55s that could just grapple fuck you and beat your brains in, he had enough of that after that fight. | ||
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Monstrous. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, that's about enough of this weight class. | ||
| When people remember how much the other guy talked to Dana White while he was beating my ass, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| And he's a great fighter, and that's what's so funny about it. | ||
| Well, this was supposed to be the main event on the prelims, but Uriah Hall and Vitor Belfort fell out really unfortunately, which is a fucking bummer. | ||
| Apparently Uriah Hall was on death's door trying to make weight. | ||
| But he had gotten sick, I had heard, during training. | ||
| He was having some real issues. | ||
| He said his body shut down about three weeks out. | ||
| A lot of people out here dealing with that fucking flu. | ||
| And then Robert Foles, his coach, died. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, he was a great guy, by the way, if you ever met Robert. | ||
| He was fantastic. | ||
| But, you know, mentally he was just going through a lot of stress. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that'll kill your cut, too. | ||
| Yeah, Robert killed himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so did his brother. | ||
| Such a bummer. | ||
| That guy's a nice fucking guy. | ||
| Loved him. | ||
| He was such a good dude. | ||
| Such a bummer, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So instead, this fight, which was gonna be on the prelims, I'm excited about this fight though, because Darren Elkins is some sort of a different kind of human. | ||
| That guy takes fucking punishment like nobody. | ||
| Eddie Bravo looking for marijuana? | ||
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No. | |
| We have plenty of that. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| This is a free world. | ||
| We live in California. | ||
| I don't drink anymore. | ||
| At all? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No more drinking. | ||
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Wow. | |
| No more caffeine. | ||
| I'm on intermittent fasting. | ||
| You look good, dude. | ||
| Your face looks good. | ||
| You look slim. | ||
| But I'm not giving this away. | ||
| Yeah, don't give that away. | ||
| I mean, giving it up. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Giving it up. | ||
| Don't give it up. | ||
| Don't give it away. | ||
| So how long has it been since the booze? | ||
| I decided initially that I would only allow myself to drink like if I did a set somewhere or if I did, you know, at the 10th Planet holiday party, I allowed myself to drink. | ||
| But that was the last time. | ||
| It's been about a month and a half since I've had a drink. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| How do you feel? | ||
| I feel great. | ||
| You like it? | ||
| I don't need alcohol. | ||
| No, you don't need alcohol. | ||
| It just gets you in trouble. | ||
| Makes you say some shit. | ||
| No more Indian. | ||
| No more Indian. | ||
| The Indian's out. | ||
| Now you're smoking the peace pipe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No more Indians. | ||
| Jimmy Smith, you smoked the reefer? | ||
| Every now and then. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| I just probably have a little puff just to celebrate. | ||
| Yeah, just celebrate. | ||
| But the thing to me is a little known personal fact. | ||
| I've never had a drink in my life. | ||
| Ever? | ||
| Ever in my life. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
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That's amazing. | |
| Yeah, most people don't know that. | ||
| So what the fuck do you blame your fuck-ups on? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I have no excuses for my behavior. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| None. | ||
| Well, you know, you've been hitting the head again. | ||
| I have been hitting the head. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good excuse. | ||
| More than once, yeah. | ||
| Speaking of hitting the head, the world title, Steve Bae and Francis, they're showing the preview for it right now, good fucking googly moogly. | ||
| I've never been more excited for a heavyweight title fight, ever. | ||
| That's a freak. | ||
| Oh, he's the freakiest of the freakiest. | ||
| He's a one in a million athlete. | ||
| Like, if you think there's 320 million people in this country, how many Nganus are there? | ||
| If there's 300, I'd be fucking stunned. | ||
| I don't even think he's... | ||
| I think it's more than one in a million. | ||
| Like a guy who's built like that? | ||
| Don't you think there's... | ||
| He's been training three years or something? | ||
| There's probably a whole shitload in Africa. | ||
| Five years, five years total. | ||
| Was homeless five years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| Dude, worked in a sand mine as a kid. | ||
| Like a goddamn character in a Robert E. Howard comic book. | ||
| Like digging sand as a kid. | ||
| He wrote Conan, by the way, guys. | ||
| You're not a comic book dork. | ||
| Just growing with his anger. | ||
| Pushing that thing. | ||
| Strength. | ||
| Schwarzenegger pushing the log, the wheel forever, the grinder. | ||
| I mean, what better workout is there for a young guy who wants to beat the fuck out of people than digging sand all day? | ||
| Just carrying sand. | ||
| All back and legs and arms. | ||
| I mean, think about how much strength is required to just fucking dig sand all the time. | ||
| There's places that are called sandbox workouts or something like that. | ||
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Have you heard about those? | |
| Well, you dig sand. | ||
| Maybe they start doing that. | ||
| Maybe Ngannou opens up a chain of sand training or something. | ||
| But we were just talking about it before we got on headset. | ||
| Guys who are comfortable, who have money, who have another career, who have a fallback, it's hard to be 100% committed. | ||
| This dude was digging sand homeless. | ||
| You're never more committed to winning. | ||
| If I don't win, I don't eat, man. | ||
| And that motivation is the strongest, most powerful thing in the world when it comes to fighting. | ||
| The crazy thing about that dude is he has so much to learn still. | ||
| Five years of MMA training. | ||
| I mean, his ground game is very rudimentary. | ||
| He's just trying to stuff takedowns. | ||
| He's freakish strong. | ||
| He's got real good training. | ||
| He's at the UFC Performance Institute, so he's training with real good guys on a daily basis. | ||
| Man, I mean, a lot to grow. | ||
| I was told he's there all the time. | ||
| Yeah, he lives there practically. | ||
| Look how shredded Michael Johnson is. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| He's fucking shredded at 45. And Ghanu fought Fabrice Wardun? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| He fought Arlovsky, and then he knocked out Overeem, and then they said, you got it! | ||
| You got the title shot. | ||
| When he put Overeem in orbit, everybody was like, okay, this is the only fight anybody wants to see. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I mean, who the fuck? | ||
| And what a story! | ||
| And Stipe's run has cleared out a lot of guys. | ||
| It's just that, you know, you need that fresh face. | ||
| You need that knockout guy. | ||
| And then Stipe's chasing history. | ||
| Those things come together right at the right time. | ||
| Isn't the crazy thing that history is only two title defenses? | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| The entire history of the UFC's heavyweight division, it's only been defended twice. | ||
| No one's ever done it three times. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| And it's the first title. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| First title was heavyweight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Think about that. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Michael Johnson shredded. | ||
| He's got a fucking 36-pack. | ||
| There's a lot of jealousy in your face. | ||
| Can they see your face right now? | ||
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No, not jealousy. | |
| It's admiration. | ||
| Well, admiration and maybe a bit of want. | ||
| I want to have abs like that. | ||
| But I wouldn't say jealousy. | ||
| I'm happy that he made the drop because I always felt like he was a little soft at 55. I always felt like he should have looked like this. | ||
| You know, I mean, this dude's lean as fuck. | ||
| And he hits so hard and he's so fast. | ||
| I think at 45 he's going to be a monster. | ||
| I think this is a big move for him. | ||
| I'm a big fan of this guy, man. | ||
| You know, and he hurt Nurmagomedov in that fight, too. | ||
| He's the first guy to put Nurmagomedov in trouble. | ||
| People forget he starched Justin Poirier, KO'd him. | ||
| Michael Johnson's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| worker. | ||
| The problem when you get in there with a guy like Nurmagomedov and he beats your ass that bad, you're like, well, how the fuck am I ever going to beat this guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It'll move you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every major move, most major moves in MMA are due to a beatdown. | ||
| They're due to usually getting manhandled by somebody who's natural at that weight class or big for that weight class. | ||
| Or if it's not a move that way, it's a move to a new camp. | ||
| It's like, I got to train for a hobby or go to Matt Hume or go to one of the Wizards. | ||
| Someone who's gonna revamp my shit. | ||
| You see a lot of that, you know? | ||
| But it's oftentimes too late. | ||
| It's such a crazy fucking sport because while you're training for a fight, you kind of have to be training for the fight. | ||
| You can't really take too many chances and learn too much new shit. | ||
| When you talk to trainers, old school guys, that's one of the things they say about Mike Tyson is he fought so much, he didn't develop enough. | ||
| He just wasn't in the gym that much. | ||
| He was fighting twice a month in his prime when he was younger. | ||
| So here we go, 452, 51, 450, 449 of the first round if you're trying to sync it up. | ||
| Michael Johnson and Darren Elkins. | ||
| And Darren Elkins, here's a guy who made a big move when he went to alpha male. | ||
| It's made a huge impact on him. | ||
| He looks way more polished, way smoother the way he moves. | ||
| You really saw that in the Mursad-Bektik fight. | ||
| That was a crazy fight because that was a fight where he was way underdog, like by a big margin for a good reason. | ||
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Bektik always getting hurt. | |
| Yeah, he's getting tagged. | ||
| Let's see if Michael Johnson Goes after him before he stays patient. | ||
| I always think, whenever I see a guy at 35-45 from alpha male, I always think, when they call them and go, well, we need a guy at 45, for you to get that call, you've got to be beastly, because they have a lot of those guys. | ||
| I mean, that's their whole team. | ||
| Oh, oh, Michael Johnson just tagged with the left. | ||
| He's fast, man. | ||
| At 45, very fast. | ||
| And he's rangy. | ||
| He's getting good extension on his punches. | ||
| Yeah, and at 45, he's going to be enjoying that even more. | ||
| A good height reach advantage. | ||
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He just looks perfectly built for the weight class. | |
| And he has the speed. | ||
| A lot of people don't realize when you drop a weight class, those guys are a hell of a lot faster. | ||
| And he has the speed to keep up with those guys. | ||
| A lot of them don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think he's probably going to be even faster at 45. Oh. | ||
| He dang it with that left hand. | ||
| Leg went out on him. | ||
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Oh. | |
| This is a good fight already. | ||
| Oh, he tagged him again. | ||
| Elkins hasn't really figured it out. | ||
| He's waiting on him. | ||
| Well, he's just a step slower for sure. | ||
| And just not nearly as smooth a striker. | ||
| Elkins relies on his ability to take tremendous punishment in his heart and his endurance where he just never stops at this pace. | ||
| And if you start to slip... | ||
| Ooh, sweet left hand. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Problem is that's a tough thing to rely on in this business, the way MMA is now. | ||
| Oh, I'm a tough guy. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Welcome to the club. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's like 500 tough guys in the UFC. It's tough. | ||
| Shit, we got tough girls. | ||
| Yeah, unbelievable. | ||
| Fucking Holly Holm. | ||
| How about that fight? | ||
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Wow. | |
| The amount of punishment that she took against Cyborg. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| She kept getting cracked. | ||
| So, Eddie Bravo, that's it for now for alcohol. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I think that's a good move, man. | ||
| I'm happy for you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was doing nothing for me. | ||
| What prompted it? | ||
| If you don't mind me asking, was there something that prompted it? | ||
| No. | ||
| I just found myself going every night, same thing. | ||
| I get home after training and I'll have a glass of wine and watch some Netflix. | ||
| And there's been a lot of great shows lately. | ||
| So I've been finding myself drinking like three, four times a week. | ||
| And then, you know, I go to the airport and I'm bored. | ||
| I'll have a couple glasses of wine. | ||
| And then just one day I thought, man, I'm turning into an alcoholic over here. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| I was drinking because I was bored. | ||
| So I thought, too old for that shit, man. | ||
| It's just bad for your body, man. | ||
| There's no need for it. | ||
| I like a glass of wine with a meal, but every time I've gotten drunk, the next day I've just been disappointed with myself. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Brian Callens here, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| With wine and cheese, like some sort of a party. | ||
| Hey, how you doing, man? | ||
| You know Jimmy? | ||
| Jimmy Smith just met Brian Callens for the first time. | ||
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La la la. | |
| Do we need a wine bottle opener here? | ||
| Oh, Eddie doesn't drink anymore. | ||
| And I don't drink either. | ||
| It's only half. | ||
| This side of the table doesn't drink. | ||
| We're just going to watch you get hammered. | ||
| Never have. | ||
| I can't handle red wine anymore. | ||
| I'm getting older, but I got some good red wine. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Everybody's complaining about getting older and not being able to handle booze. | ||
| We're watching Darren Elkins and Michael Johnson here. | ||
| It's in the first round, and so far Michael Johnson's looks smooth as butter. | ||
| Dude, real nice. | ||
| Bam, that left hand's finding a home. | ||
| Elkins is taking on the chin, though. | ||
| Elkins still in it. | ||
| Now, once again, this is one of those maybe ABC, it's 10-8. | ||
| Non-ABC would probably go 10-9. | ||
| They haven't adopted new rules. | ||
| Do you think that would be 10-8, though? | ||
| No, but it could be. | ||
| I'm not saying it is. | ||
| I'm saying with the new rules, they're just a lot more common. | ||
| I think the actual rule, and please, someone out there, correct me if I'm wrong, if someone clearly, if they win two aspects of the fight, Ooh, he just hit him with another left hand. | ||
| And he's certainly landing the significant strikes. | ||
| And he's the aggressor. | ||
| He certainly has a clear advantage, and I would like to see rounds like that. | ||
| But, Jimmy, I think we need a better score system. | ||
| I think the 10-point system from boxing is goofy. | ||
| I just don't think we need it. | ||
| I think we need, like, a 100-point score system that takes into account submission attempts, takedown attempts, defense, takes into account leg kicks, knees, elbows, punches, all those things quantified. | ||
| The impact of those techniques, how hard they're hitting, how close the choke is, how close the arm bar is, how good the defense is. | ||
| You know, like, all those things should be taken into consideration, and I think we should have more than three judges. | ||
| I think having three judges is fucking foolishness. | ||
| Why three people? | ||
| I think you have way more of a likelihood of having some bullshit decision if there's only three people. | ||
| I think if you have 20 experts, or people online... | ||
| A little cheese? | ||
| A little cheese, buddy. | ||
| Keep talking, I'm listening. | ||
| 20 experts, maybe, you know? | ||
| Maybe even open it up to people online, like have a select few people. | ||
| Wisdom with the crowd. | ||
| Yeah, people that you really respect. | ||
| How about knockout only, MMA? A lot of people die. | ||
| How long do you want the fights to go? | ||
| No points, no judges. | ||
| And if it goes the distance and they're still not a knockout, they get to cold cock each other back and forth until someone gets back. | ||
| Eddie Bravo wants us to go back to ancient Rome, basically. | ||
| Cold cock. | ||
| Like a soccer match. | ||
| I always felt soccer was crazy, that free kick at the end. | ||
| I'm like, this is nuts! | ||
| You worked so hard to get to a position. | ||
| Dude, how cool would that be, knockout only? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That would be so ridiculous. | ||
| You'd watch it, wouldn't you? | ||
| Yeah, I would watch it. | ||
| Have you seen that game in Afghanistan where they're on horseback on teams, and they essentially have a goat, a dead goat, and they play with whips, and the side that can get the goat into the goal is the winner? | ||
| Oh, Elton gets a takedown. | ||
| The horses die in that game. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| And goats, I'm sure. | ||
| Plenty of goats. | ||
| The goat is well dead. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Elkins with the takedown here. | ||
| This changes things. | ||
| We're going back to this goat thing. | ||
| By the way, we're going back. | ||
| I know this is the exciting part of the game. | ||
| I thought it was Darren Till at first. | ||
| Oh, Hammerfist by Elkins here. | ||
| Yeah, he does kind of look like Till. | ||
| Who, Elkins does? | ||
| Elkins has fought in the UFC forever, and you're going to compare him to Till? | ||
| Till just got here. | ||
| I'm going to say his face. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm kind of crazy like that. | ||
| They need to get Darren Till a fucking fight. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's scary. | ||
| He is scary, man. | ||
| I want to be scary. | ||
| I was just watching the Cowboy fight. | ||
| I was just watching it. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Do you know Vinny? | ||
| Vinny Shorman? | ||
| I had to study a lot this week. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| Because, like, you know, I watch UFC all the time, but there's a huge difference between watching fights and studying fights, and I have been studying. | ||
| That's what I was supposed to do basically all night tonight, but I'm here. | ||
| Dude, I was thinking that when I knew that you got the gig, because I was like, like, if I had to call Bellator, I'd be fucked. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I just, there's too many people. | ||
| I don't know who the fuck they are. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jimmy, you want a little manchego cheese? | ||
| I would love some cheese. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| He'll eat cheese when you won't drink your fucking dirty wine. | ||
| I don't drink, but I'll have cheese. | ||
| Well, the kid looks like he's in shape, I'll tell you that much. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Elkins or...? | ||
| No, I'm talking about Jimmy here. | ||
| He's got some arms on him. | ||
| Oh, Jimmy's in shape. | ||
| Kid's got some arms on him. | ||
| He's a jujitsu black belt, my friend, for real. | ||
| Yeah, I went back to training this week for the first time. | ||
| Crucifix. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Mounted crucifix for Elkinson. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| Elkins gets the back! | ||
| Three minutes to go! | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
| Imagine if Elkins spoils the big 145 pound party from Michael Johnson. | ||
| Would not be the first time. | ||
| It would not be the first time. | ||
| You can't fucking sleep on this guy. | ||
| He's such an animal. | ||
| He has a better body, though. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, damn it. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Oh, he's under the chin! | ||
| How'd that happen? | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| He's gonna go to sleep! | ||
| He tapped! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, Darren Elkins is a fucking savage! | ||
| Goddamn, that dude's a savage! | ||
| Took the punches and came back, man. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Darren Elkins is a fucking savage! | ||
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Woo! | |
| He got teed off on in the first round. | ||
| Goddamn, I want to come back! | ||
| Yeah, Brian, you missed the teed off part that makes this finish so extraordinary. | ||
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It's just you can't count this guy out. | |
| He's just such a fucking mutant. | ||
| He's such an animal. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Takes the back. | ||
| I was like, oh, I didn't want to get too excited. | ||
| I was like, yeah, he got his back, but I don't want to get too excited here. | ||
| Is this going to get crazy? | ||
| That was a high-level move because some people would have jumped on the back and kind of just volunteered to be a backpack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he pulled them back. | ||
| That's a high-level move right there. | ||
| What do you mean he pulled them back? | ||
| He didn't jump on them. | ||
| He pulled them back. | ||
| He pulled them into his hips. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if you jump on him, you're too high. | ||
| Sometimes people, they feel when they jump on the back, they want to be on the back but on top, and they're trying to force being on the back on top, but it's way easier just to pull them back, and you're on their back, but you're on your back as well. | ||
| Some people feel uncomfortable there because if they spin, now they're on your guard. | ||
| But if you have a high-level rear naked choke, You just take the easy route, pull him back, and just finish him off your back. | ||
| That's a very hard thing to defend against, because I see a lot of guys who can defend for a long time. | ||
| Look at the hips. | ||
| If they show it again, he had his hips all the way in, and what happens is that stretches your core out. | ||
| It's exhausting. | ||
| It's exhausting, but you also can't curl up and protect your neck. | ||
| And he had the body triangle on the wrong side. | ||
| He had the body triangle on the bottom. | ||
| He still squoze his shit out. | ||
| You can hold it. | ||
| You can keep it. | ||
| It works. | ||
| Some people don't need to switch it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people can really hold that thing. | ||
| Well, I think for him, it was just like he had it. | ||
| He's arching his back. | ||
| He had it locked in. | ||
| He wasn't going to give up that spot and try to switch legs. | ||
| Fuck, that's amazing. | ||
| Guys are getting really good at spinning inside of body triangles. | ||
| There's technique to that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| If you can get their choking arm on the other side, like in a baseball grip, like I got your left arm on this side, like that. | ||
| And which side is the body triangle on? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Now you just got to really focus on putting your shoulders on the mat and you're controlling his arm. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then you slowly, inch by inch, you turn your hips and you're losing and the guy still has the body triangle on, but inch by inch, you're holding the wrist and you're turning around, boom, and then one big explosion and you're in the garden. | ||
| So holding the two-on-one on the arm, the choking arm is big. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| Otherwise, he's going to be all over your neck. | ||
| When you do that, you freeze him. | ||
| You had to know that somebody was going to come up with a technique to beat that or to try to mitigate that. | ||
| Well, the technique really is not letting it happen in the first place. | ||
| Because in the very beginning of 10th Planet, right away, I was so into body triangles and doing D-Savs. | ||
| D-Sav? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| It's just a neck crank. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dance ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You call them D-sabs. | ||
| You call them D-sabs. | ||
| But any time I would put on a body triangle, I wouldn't even think about a rear naked choke anymore. | ||
| I'm like, that's too hard. | ||
| I'm just going to get on my side, put you on your side, and just connect my hands around your head somehow. | ||
| Anyway, and then I fall forward and I crush. | ||
| It's a D-sab. | ||
| Old move. | ||
| Remember Beast? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| Beast never rear-naked choked anybody. | ||
| He'd always get to the back, put a body triangle on, and go de-sav on them. | ||
| He didn't even know how to do a rear-naked choke. | ||
| He had gaping holes in his game. | ||
| Anyways, what ended up happening was... | ||
| We were all about body triangles in the beginning, and they were so dangerous. | ||
| Like, if someone put a body triangle on me, I know I'm done. | ||
| If all you think about is a neck crank instead of the rear naked choke, you just focus on the D-sav, you don't need a rear naked choke. | ||
| It's done-ski. | ||
| So, in the very beginning, the first defensive move When someone takes your back, it was always, don't let them put the goddamn body triangle on. | ||
| That was the first move. | ||
| That's everybody's first move. | ||
| If he's got your back, don't let him get the hooks. | ||
| If he has one hook, don't let him get two hooks. | ||
| If he puts both hooks, you better not let him put a body triangle in. | ||
| But you're also having to protect against your neck. | ||
| Of course, but there's things you do. | ||
| What you end up doing is as soon as someone takes your back, you put him in a reverse quarter guard. | ||
| You trap one of his legs and you escape from that. | ||
| That way there's no body triangle ever going to happen. | ||
| So if that is your first move, it's in your DNA where someone takes your back and you take his leg out the mix because you're already worried about that body triangle, then the body triangles become very hard to get. | ||
| Really, really hard to get. | ||
| When the guy whose back has been taken, if that is his focus on stopping that, it's very hard to put it in. | ||
| So what ended up happening for 10th Planet is we went away from the body triangles because I saw that, damn, I'm not going to focus all this time on the de-seves when most of the time we're not even getting the body triangles. | ||
| So we've got to focus on rear naked chokes with just the leg hooks in, just like Marcelo Garcia. | ||
| So we shifted away from the body triangle, and I wanted everyone to focus on just good old-fashioned, traditional rear naked choke with Get both hooks in. | ||
| And get really good from there. | ||
| And the body triangle and the D set, that's like extra. | ||
| Don't rely on it. | ||
| But what ended up happening is everyone's first defensive move, it wasn't, Attack one of his legs and put it in reverse quarter guard. | ||
| We went away from that because the necessity wasn't there anymore. | ||
| Do you follow me? | ||
| Am I losing you? | ||
| No, I understand what you're saying. | ||
| It just shows how complex jujitsu is. | ||
| And you're constantly having to make these adjustments. | ||
| And now we're going back. | ||
| Now we're going way back because VBI overtime, where we start guys on their back in our shootout overtime rounds. | ||
| The game has grown so much just from getting good at those rounds, just spending a lot of time at dissecting the offense, the armbar position, and the rear naked choke. | ||
| Have you considered any other positions that you would allow people to do other than those two? | ||
| Those two are good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People will suggest, why don't you have a mount one? | ||
| Just nice and super crazy basic, something that everyone could agree on. | ||
| If you're going to have a shootout in jiu-jitsu, it's got to be a rear naked choke or arm bar. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| In other words, you start there? | ||
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In overtime, you start from... | |
| Do you know what spiderweb is? | ||
| You get a guy in side control, and you hook one of the arms, and he's defending. | ||
| Okay, so you're not in an arm bar, but you've got... | ||
| The guy's defending it, but you have the arm bar, and you start from there. | ||
| He's got his defense. | ||
| It's just not extended. | ||
| You've got one of them hooked. | ||
| And the back is we start with a seatbelt in with two leg hooks, and you're sitting on your butt, and we start right there. | ||
| We go, ready, go! | ||
| Have you seen combat jiu-jitsu? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude, Eddie Bravo came up with the greatest idea of all time. | ||
| Combat Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| It's regular Jiu-Jitsu, but you get to smack the shit out of each other. | ||
| So they're open palms striking each other in the face. | ||
| It's similar, but it's only on the ground. | ||
| It's only when it goes to the ground. | ||
| So on the ground, well, Wagner Rocha, right? | ||
| Wagner Rocha. | ||
| He was the first guy to stop a guy that way. | ||
| TKO and Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| And he's using his palms like Boss Rootin used to in Pancrase. | ||
| Just fucking dropping him down, slamming him home. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, and it opens up. | ||
| It makes jiu-jitsu more realistic because there are certain positions that you're so exposed. | ||
| If the guy smacks you in the head and smacks you in the nose and smacks you in the eyes, you're just not going to stay in that spot. | ||
| There's got to be guys that are training smacks. | ||
| They're going to get really good at it. | ||
| Guys are going to be able to take guys out with smacks. | ||
| 99.9% of the guys that are down for combat jiu-jitsu, I've got a long list of people. | ||
| All of them have MMA experience. | ||
| Only one guy, only one guy, Ben Eddy, one of my brown belts, he's the only dude who never even thought of MMA, never even thought of it, and he wanted to do it because his guard is probably top three in the world. | ||
| I've never seen any. | ||
| We talked about him last podcast, that guy, with the Hindulo team, Ben Eddy. | ||
| So he's the only one, and he went against Wilson Hayes, who had, in combat jiu-jitsu, he's automatically ranked number one. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Legit black belt. | ||
| Just fought Demetrius Johnson, possibly the greatest fighter ever. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He was in combat jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It's such a good idea, though, because I watched the EBI in Austin. | ||
| I was one of the color guys. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| And I didn't know what I was looking at as much, obviously, because I don't know enough about it. | ||
| That was on an invitation. | ||
| It was so incredible because I watched those guys, and I'm telling you from my untrained eye, I couldn't even see when they were tapping the dudes. | ||
| Like, they were doing things that didn't... | ||
| It looked like he was doing nothing. | ||
| And I was like, what happened? | ||
| What did he get him on? | ||
| What did he tap him on? | ||
| I couldn't figure it out. | ||
| But the one thing I noticed is that pure jiu-jitsu practitioners, those competition guys who are amazing, that can do things, they... | ||
| Because there's zero striking, it's true that you get in very bad habits if you ever try to get into an MMA fight. | ||
| Well, you see that a lot of times. | ||
| You used to see that more often with leg locks, right? | ||
| Guys would go for leg locks and they'd be in a weird position and they'd get smashed. | ||
| Old school Ian Freeman and Frank Mir, remember that? | ||
| That was like one of the first times that happened. | ||
| Tim Sylvia Cafe Dantes. | ||
| That was another one. | ||
| So you went deeper. | ||
| Are you talking about leg locks and getting beat up? | ||
| I don't know who's deeper. | ||
| Which one is deeper there? | ||
| It might be the same historical genre. | ||
| Same historical genre, but it was a less popular fight. | ||
| Much less popular. | ||
| I love cafe. | ||
| So leg locks are not used as much because you can get punched in the face? | ||
| You're almost always giving up position to get a leg lock. | ||
| You're almost always sitting back to get a leg lock. | ||
| So I can sit up And punch your head through the ground. | ||
| Always be careful. | ||
| You're committing your legs and two arms usually to a leg. | ||
| Can't defend yourself. | ||
| And then guys are just punching you in the face while you're doing that. | ||
| In the Ian Friedman fight, Ian Friedman was locked up in a heel hook and Frank Muir was cranking on his heel and Ian just steps in and just starts... | ||
| We're clanging him off his jaw. | ||
| Joaquin Hanson, Romino Sato. | ||
| That's a great one, too. | ||
| That might be one of the better ones. | ||
| That was an amazing one. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, there's been a gang of those where guys were... | ||
| Overcommitted. | ||
| And we had to learn. | ||
| They're risky. | ||
| They're risky. | ||
| But... | ||
| The state of the leg lock game these days is way different than those guys that were trying to pull off leg locks back then. | ||
| So much faster, man. | ||
| Even Romina Sato, even that level, he was considered one of the best leg lockers back then. | ||
| But the level today in leg locks is way beyond that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's way beyond it. | ||
| What the guys at DDS have done, I mean, they've taken the leg lock game. | ||
| I mean, it's beyond Sambo. | ||
| It's beyond Catch Wrestling. | ||
| DDS meaning Donahert Death Squad. | ||
| Yeah, Donahert Death Squad. | ||
| John Danahert. | ||
| He'll be here. | ||
| John will be here tomorrow at 8 a.m. | ||
| Oh, he will? | ||
| Yeah, we're doing a podcast. | ||
| Early morning podcast. | ||
| I was talking to Chael about the last Abu Dhabi, and he told me a story. | ||
| I was laughing my ass off. | ||
| He said, they did the rules meeting, and they said, well, we want from everybody, so no controversies. | ||
| We want three distinct taps. | ||
| And everybody goes, I need to walk out of here. | ||
| You know, like what we're talking about. | ||
| You don't have time to do this anymore. | ||
| For the heel hook. | ||
| Even three of these, you're risking an ACL. Everybody looked at each other like, we're all agreeing to not do that. | ||
| All the people were like, okay, if I tap, let me go, dude. | ||
| Fuck this rule shit. | ||
| Let me go. | ||
| And yeah, and Chell's like, I got caught. | ||
| And I just went, and the guy let me go. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah, because it can just destroy your knee for life. | ||
| Everything in your knee will go, dude. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| No, that's not... | ||
| Ooh, it's so bad. | ||
| That's a myth. | ||
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So bad. | |
| That's not that bad. | ||
| I've seen horrible shit, man. | ||
| I've seen dudes get their shoulders wrecked with Kimuras. | ||
| Yeah, true too. | ||
| No, it's all true. | ||
| It's all true. | ||
| But I'm saying, I know where you're coming from with the leg lock thing. | ||
| People have gotten... | ||
| Had their knees fucked up with leg locks, but it's not as common as you think. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Well, you know though, it's good to see him out of the wheelchair and apparently he's recovering. | ||
| He got hit by a train, man, which is crazy. | ||
| I mean, most people would be dead. | ||
| Makes me want to cry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, it's just great that he's alive. | ||
| I'm looking at him going, fuck, look at him walking. | ||
| He's going to come back. | ||
| He's coming back. | ||
| We shot Warrior together, and the last thing he said to me, we had a scene together, and this was a week later. | ||
| He got hit. | ||
| He said, he goes, I hope I can put my shoes on when I'm older. | ||
| Fuck, at least one. | ||
| Yeah, man, a lot of guys. | ||
| It's good to see him, though. | ||
| A lot of guys think that way. | ||
| Because he was worried about it. | ||
| He was talking about head trauma. | ||
| He said he worries about it, you know? | ||
| And then he gets hit by a train. | ||
| Well, he should, man. | ||
| Everybody should fucking worry about it. | ||
| I mean, it's something that has to be taken into consideration. | ||
| I mean, it is what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| He is a good guy. | ||
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He is. | |
| He's a very good guy. | ||
| And one of the most important figures in the history of the sport, when you break down what he was, he represented a powerful wrestler that embraced submissions. | ||
| Remember he caught that far side armbar on George St. Pierre? | ||
| He was one of the first guys that was a real strong wrestler that had very high level submission skills. | ||
| He was a huge leap in the sport. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he beat Hoyce Gracie on the ground. | ||
| He was one of the first real top-level athletes. | ||
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Stud. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like a stud athlete. | ||
| There are a lot of guys for it that way. | ||
| Well, I'm glad he's okay, and it's nice to see him walking around. | ||
| That is good, man. | ||
| Alright, so we're gonna go to Kamaru Usman and Emil Mech. | ||
| I love this fight. | ||
| Nobody wants to fight Usman. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Everybody's running from that dude. | ||
| That guy's a smashing machine. | ||
| I mean, he is a fucking tank of a human being. | ||
| But this Emil Mech guy, talk about leg locks, he got his way into the UFC by knocking out Tokinho. | ||
| He smashed him and some other organization. | ||
| Wait, isn't he fighting the Valhalla guy? | ||
| Yeah, that's Emil Mech. | ||
| Emil Mech is the crazy Viking guy. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| He's so shredded and stupid. | ||
| But Kamaru Usman, top of the food chain wrestler. | ||
| Super athlete. | ||
| Just a tank of a man who everybody's running from. | ||
| Just running from. | ||
| Nobody wants a piece of him. | ||
| When you talk about top ten guys, he's the guy that nobody's mentioning. | ||
| There's a special thing, I think, in MMA and combat sports period. | ||
| There are guys who are great, and then there are guys who are frightening. | ||
| Another good example is Toquino. | ||
| Even when he was a fringe top 10 guy, people were like, I don't want anything to do with that dude. | ||
| I don't want to be anywhere near... | ||
| I'd rather have a GSP who's better, but won't hurt me like Toquino will rip your leg in half and just have no idea what he's doing. | ||
| Man, I feel like... | ||
| Scary, dude. | ||
| I think he did some bad things in the UFC. He definitely held on submissions, but I feel like he got a bad deal when he got fired. | ||
| When he got kicked out of the UFC, the submission that he held, I watched it and I say, that was not egregious. | ||
| And that was a normal thing for anybody else. | ||
| Yeah, it certainly wasn't his worst. | ||
| It was like the fourth time that they had said, hey, don't... | ||
| The other ones were horrible. | ||
| Other ones were worse. | ||
| But it was a straw to me. | ||
| It was a straw. | ||
| The Jake Shields fight was like... | ||
| I thought the refereeing in that was terrible. | ||
| That was in World Series of Fighters. | ||
| He kept gouging his eyes. | ||
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I lost all respect for him when he was doing that. | |
| Shields looked at the ref and was like, dude, he keeps gouging my eyes. | ||
| You see his eye afterwards? | ||
| I would have kicked him out of the door. | ||
| And then he held on to the Kimura? | ||
| It's tough to under... | ||
| Yeah, and then Jake hit him after he tapped him with the Kimura because he wouldn't let go of the Kimura. | ||
| But if you go back and... | ||
| I mean, I'm not giving the guy an excuse, but you want to find out about his childhood. | ||
| His childhood was horrific. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was working on a farm when he was like a little boy. | ||
| He has a giant scar in his chest because he got slashed open and they just tried to like tape it up and glue it together. | ||
| They never brought him to the hospital. | ||
| I mean, he literally would eat pig slop. | ||
| Like he had no food. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And just worked on a farm. | ||
| And then as he got older, made his way into Rio and then found Minotauro School and started learning jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Just a tank from farm work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From being a boy, having to work. | ||
| He needs to fight in Ghanu. | ||
| He's scared as well as scary. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I mean, a kid that's growing up in that horrific environment like that, who knows what kind of abuse he suffered. | ||
| Who knows how his brain developed and all that stuff. | ||
| But definitely was in danger and fearful from the time he was very young. | ||
| And he was in a position where he was struggling for his life, for survival. | ||
| In a way that... | ||
| Weak bitches like us. | ||
| We don't understand. | ||
| We're so soft. | ||
| He obviously probably has impulse control, all kinds of issues. | ||
| It's an animal in a lot of ways. | ||
| But if you look at the Avalon fight that he had in Abu Dhabi, where they're rolling out and he's holding onto a heel hook. | ||
| Oh, it was horrible. | ||
| And the refs stop, stop, stop, and he won't stop. | ||
| And Avalon's freaking out. | ||
| But that was also that terrible situation where they restarted him with him holding him. | ||
| And it was done, yeah. | ||
| Which you never can do. | ||
| You just can't do. | ||
| You can't, particularly with heel hooks. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| You cannot say, ready, set, go. | ||
| Because you've got to assume that the guy's securing that in the middle of a scramble. | ||
| You've got to be in motion. | ||
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| There's also, you can't just start him. | ||
| Because he's going to rip it. | ||
| But the thing was, about the mental state, is, you know, they stop and Avalon is... | ||
| Furious, because he wouldn't let go of this heel hook. | ||
| And, like, Torquino's trying to, like, hug it out. | ||
| And they're trying to explain to him, no, no, you were supposed to let go. | ||
| And it was almost like he didn't quite get what was going on. | ||
| It took a while, if you watch that, it took a while for them to explain it to him, like, no. | ||
| He gets into the frenzy of it, maybe. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know, dude. | ||
| You could also make the argument that he's playing dumb. | ||
| I don't know him. | ||
| I don't know the guy. | ||
| But if that was my student, that he was tearing apart like that, I would say, this guy's fucking playing dumb. | ||
| He knows he's not supposed to rip your leg apart like that. | ||
| That ref, though, what's his name, with the Jake Shields fight, you see him, you're watching him... | ||
| It was a Steve Mazzagotti fight, if I remember correctly. | ||
| Was it Mazzagotti? | ||
| It was Mazzagotti. | ||
| Like, you don't see him digging into his eyes like that? | ||
| You're a ref and you don't see that? | ||
| Both of his eyes were all red and it was crazy. | ||
| Oh, that was awful. | ||
| I'm never critical, but there's just no excuse for that. | ||
| That was awful. | ||
| That was awful. | ||
| He did a seminar, because he's top team, and I was top team in Long Beach, and Carlton Gracie and everything. | ||
| And my coach calls me and he says, I wasn't in town at the time, but he goes, Oh, Taquina's doing a seminar. | ||
| You should come by for this leg lock seminar or whatever. | ||
| I remember thinking... | ||
| I'd want to learn the leg locks. | ||
| I don't know if I'd get on a mat with that dude. | ||
| I'd want him to show me stuff, but if he's like, I'm going to demonstrate, come here, I'd be like, I don't know if I want to sit there with you, dude. | ||
| When you bring in one of them old school Gracie Bubba dummies. | ||
| Dude, yeah, he would bring the dummy and go, show me on that guy. | ||
| Isn't it a little, it's different though, when it's just a straight grappling match, yeah, come on, you're not trying to, no one's trying to break anybody's bones here. | ||
| But it's a little bit different in MMA when your opponent has no problem trying to put his fist through your skull. | ||
| It's a fight. | ||
| He would love it if he kicked you right in the head and broke your fucking orb. | ||
| He would love it and no one would ever talk shit on him. | ||
| But if you crank a heel hook and you tear their tendon a little bit, You know, then you're the fucking bad guy. | ||
| But it's also, he doesn't... | ||
| No, I think it's stop when the guy's tapping, right? | ||
| Well, you know what I'm saying? | ||
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Stop when the guy's tapping. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| You have to respect the tapping. | ||
| So you're trying to break my skull. | ||
| I'm trying to break your tendon. | ||
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100%, yeah. | |
| What's the difference? | ||
| But the guys... | ||
| But once again, the guys who hit the ground, the refs just stopped, and they're still trying to hit him? | ||
| Can you imagine a guy... | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| You've got to stop punching when the referee gets in your head, period. | ||
| Yeah, but what about in situations like Dan Henderson and Bisping? | ||
| He didn't like Bisping. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he was trying to hurt him. | ||
| Fighters know when a guy is fucking done. | ||
| He hit Bisping so hard, for sure Dan Henderson knew he was done. | ||
| But the ref was like 15 yards away. | ||
| So Dan Henderson knew he was like, damn, I got a free shot. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| It makes highlight reels. | ||
| That's okay? | ||
| It's his t-shirt. | ||
| I like it. | ||
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I like it. | |
| I put them in the same category. | ||
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I like it. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| If you don't respect the stop of the fight, it's bad. | ||
| It's just a little tendon. | ||
| It's not that big. | ||
| There are a few. | ||
| These two are as muscled as you get. | ||
| Does this make you feel uncomfortable about your own body when you watch these guys? | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| Because they basically weigh what you weigh. | ||
| Or they weighed in. | ||
| Yeah, they weighed in what you weigh. | ||
| It's the fucking reason I'll never ultimately be happy. | ||
| Because you're not built like that? | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| And I would never wear clothes. | ||
| I would always be in shorts like that. | ||
| You would have a hoodie opened up all the way. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You'd walk down the beach with no shirt on. | ||
| You'd be that guy 100%. | ||
| I'd wear a scarf around my neck. | ||
| He'd have a book in his back pocket that was all dog-eared, but he really never read it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That was my rap. | ||
| You know what will help you in these moments? | ||
| You'll appreciate this. | ||
| We were talking about Bobby Fischer last time. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That same documentary, Bobby Fischer Against the World, you have to watch. | ||
| That's a great documentary. | ||
| Yeah, but remember when the guy says, imagine all the things you did as a kid, after school and before school, and imagine all of that's filled up with chess study, and that's all you did. | ||
| So you can complain, I'm not that guy, but you're sitting here drinking wine and cheese. | ||
| That dude's in the gym. | ||
| You are correct, sir. | ||
| All the stuff I do that doesn't have anything to do with getting yoked, I get to do all that stuff. | ||
| You are correct. | ||
| Why aren't I as good at grappling as Hicks and Gracie? | ||
| Think of all you did while Hicks and Gracie was on a mat training. | ||
| You were doing That's what I like about life. | ||
| That's the only way to think about it. | ||
| His thing to me is one of my all-time favorite grappling characters, not just because he's the all-time greatest crazy, but also because he incorporated yoga. | ||
| He was so outside the box. | ||
| He's doing what a lot of jiu-jitsu guys are doing now, incorporating yoga. | ||
| MMA guys incorporating yoga. | ||
| The nutrition, too. | ||
| You and I watched Choke Together, I think, for the first time. | ||
| I remember that's how far we were back. | ||
| We wanted to do push-ups. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Jump around. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at each other. | ||
| Dude, these guys are... | ||
| Who was the last guy Meek fought? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I think you pronounce it Mech. | ||
| I think it's Emil Mech. | ||
| He's a straight-up Viking. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And you've got a West African warrior over here from Nigeria. | ||
| You've got... | ||
| What's going to be interesting is if Mech can stuff the takedown. | ||
| Can he stuff the takedown? | ||
| Came out drunk and monkey for a second. | ||
| Yeah, it came out nice and low. | ||
| Oh, see that? | ||
| Right away. | ||
| Couldn't stop it for literally a second. | ||
| Oh, but he got the neck! | ||
| Got the neck! | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| And full guard. | ||
| And full guard. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, Kamaru! | ||
| Well, that's not good, is it, guys? | ||
| He's trying to put pressure on his right side. | ||
| How much does he burn himself out here? | ||
| Does he go for it? | ||
| Or does he let it go and this beast is on top of him? | ||
| Dropping elbows. | ||
| Is this not okay here? | ||
| Well, arm in is harder to finish. | ||
| He has his arm in. | ||
| Arm worn in, it's a lot harder to finish. | ||
| Right now, I would say he's fine. | ||
| He doesn't have it by now. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to put all his weight on his right side. | ||
| It all depends on his left side. | ||
| On his squeeze. | ||
| I don't know how good a squeeze is. | ||
| Oh, he's tightened down now. | ||
| He's got full guard. | ||
| This is a great position. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yes, it's great. | ||
| If you know how to finish it, yeah. | ||
| He's deep. | ||
| He's under that chin, man. | ||
| Ooh, that doesn't look good. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Oh, he's way lighter now. | ||
| Way lighter. | ||
| Look at all that air. | ||
| See all that air? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's giving up on it. | ||
| He's popping out. | ||
| He's popping out right now. | ||
| And Emil's going to try to step up. | ||
| Oh, he's trying to get that... | ||
| Kamaru's going to hold him down, and now... | ||
| Oh, I don't like that. | ||
| Now, head and arm. | ||
| Kamaru taking him to the cage. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| He's got to pass to get the head and arm. | ||
| Won't work from guard. | ||
| Maybe with that fence, there's something there. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Maybe he puts enough energy into it. | ||
| But if he could just pass one leg and hold his position, if he can get to half guard and just keep this upper body clutch, that's what he's trying to do. | ||
| Usman's wrestling pedigree is what? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Jamie, see if you can pull up Usman's wrestling pedigree. | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's NCAA All-American. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| And more than that, I think maybe two years. | ||
| I'd have to remember, go over my notes. | ||
| Look at that, he wants the back. | ||
| Ooh, stepping back up. | ||
| Stepping up, though. | ||
| Nigeria had an Olympian in Daniel Igali, who went to Canada and then won gold medal in 2000. He's trying to take the back here. | ||
| As far as I know, there's not a lot of great wrestling out of there. | ||
| Three-year All-American D2. Yeah, three-year All-American, Division II. All right, cool. | ||
| And what university? | ||
| University of Nebraska at Kearney. | ||
| Same as Ellenberger. | ||
| That's where Ellenberger went. | ||
| Ooh, it's going for the Camorra. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Ooh, he's got it in low. | ||
| He's got it nice and low. | ||
| He's got to really turn his hips though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fence is getting in the way a little bit. | ||
| Okay, he's defended it. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Still controlling that wrist though. | ||
| Doesn't want to let it go. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Can't get that arm over. | ||
| Going back to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a lot of muscle to feel. | ||
| If this goes later, it'll be interesting to see who the team is. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of tension on the muscles. | ||
| Have you been wrestling for a long time or are you used to? | ||
| We're talking about Kamaru and Nigerian wrestlers. | ||
| I mean, where is Emil from Iceland? | ||
| What's Viking? | ||
| Norway? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Greenland, Iceland, Norway. | ||
| The flag was Norway. | ||
| Denmark. | ||
| Norway? | ||
| I think. | ||
| Sweden. | ||
| Where is he from, though? | ||
| He's from... | ||
| We're gonna find out. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| This is a battle, baby. | ||
| This is a battle. | ||
| You got a couple of... | ||
| Kamaru Usman wanted to establish. | ||
| Establish that dominesh. | ||
|
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From Norway. | |
| Norway. | ||
| Bunch of fucking tough people in Norway. | ||
| He's got his nails painted. | ||
| I like that his toenails are painted. | ||
| I appreciate it very much. | ||
| They're painted... | ||
| He worships the devil. | ||
| He's probably a druid. | ||
| Druid? | ||
|
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What? | |
| It's a male witch. | ||
| What? | ||
| I thought that was a warlock. | ||
| They're experts at potions. | ||
| I love how the what is like, I don't know what a druid is. | ||
| It's more that you're calling him a druid. | ||
| A druid's not a male witch, but a druid is... | ||
| I can't believe somebody who's into magic and... | ||
| Emile Mech, back up. | ||
| Emile Mech standing up. | ||
| Yeah, but here's the thing. | ||
| You can't keep Usman off him. | ||
| The question is whether or not Usman can continue this pace and keep doing this. | ||
| His mouth is closed. | ||
| He seems to be breathing pretty. | ||
| But how's Mech going to feel once he gets free? | ||
| Because you're holding your weight and the other guy's weight, which sucks. | ||
| Who's more burnt out here? | ||
| Who's going to be more burnt out? | ||
| We're likely looking at the end of the first round where Kamaru controls him and does most of the control. | ||
| But really didn't get much off. | ||
|
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Oh, that's a mistake. | |
| Keep your head there. | ||
| Don't turn. | ||
| You push. | ||
| I want to keep him square. | ||
| I want to keep that in front of you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who's Emil Mek training with? | ||
| I was just going to ask that. | ||
| I'd like to see who's Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| With Thor? | ||
| In Valhalla. | ||
| Valhalla? | ||
| Oh, nice ride. | ||
| I watched Star Wars today. | ||
| How was it? | ||
| I haven't seen it yet. | ||
| It was like a Disney Star Wars movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like everything's super diversified. | ||
| The characters are all black and Asian women, and there's women that are generals. | ||
| The women are running things. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like Game of Thrones. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
|
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Ooh! | |
| A little after-the-bell action there. | ||
| It was okay. | ||
| That was a get-off movie. | ||
| It was a fun movie. | ||
| It was fun, but it was just like... | ||
| It's like it got Disney-fied. | ||
| It's like they just boiled all the bacteria off of it. | ||
| Did it get Marxist? | ||
| Well, it's just, you know, I like a strong female character, but I don't want to think that this is like a calculated move for you to create a strong female character. | ||
| But it is a calculated move. | ||
| But I don't want to notice that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Somebody told me that about The Black Mirror. | ||
| Somebody complained. | ||
| They said, oh, all the fucking heroes in this season's Black Mirror are all women. | ||
| If you watch The Black Mirror and that's what you're concentrating on, you're an asshole. | ||
| Because that fucking show's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's astonishing. | ||
| Nobody gives a fuck if there's women in the lead or men in the lead. | ||
| It's just a phenomenal show. | ||
| It gives me anxiety. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| It's astonishing. | ||
| I want to turn it off halfway through. | ||
| I haven't seen this season, though. | ||
| This season's the greatest ever. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Metalhead? | ||
| Metalhead about the dogs? | ||
| Metalhead was crazy! | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Round two. | ||
| Watch out now. | ||
| Don't be getting taken down. | ||
| Let's see if... | ||
| Oh, he's going right to head kicks. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Does Usman get tired? | ||
| Does he get tired after all that grapple fuck? | ||
| He doesn't look tired to me. | ||
| Doesn't look tired. | ||
| Doesn't look tired. | ||
| Is Mech tired? | ||
| Oh, front kick to the body. | ||
| Mech, I like the fact that he's still throwing kicks even though he got taken down and dominated on the ground. | ||
| He's trying to set something up. | ||
| Oh, and another hard kick to the arms. | ||
| Not fun. | ||
| Not fun to take those if you're holding tie pads. | ||
| Don't you have to be careful about catching the top of your foot on those elbows? | ||
| Well, he's not thinking about that. | ||
| Yeah, that can suck. | ||
| Once again, if you're thinking about it... | ||
| He's thinking about slamming that shin into those fucking forearms and making them useless. | ||
| Ooh, those hurt. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, he hurt him! | ||
| He hurt him with that spinning back fist. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| He hurt him. | ||
| Elbow. | ||
| That was a very nice spinning back fist. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Oh, ducked under that hand. | ||
| Get out of there, son. | ||
| Ooh, here we go. | ||
| Alright, somebody's gonna... | ||
| Oh, he's reaching a little bit now. | ||
| He's reaching a little bit. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, there he gets it. | ||
| There he gets it. | ||
| Better let it go, son. | ||
| Better get out of there. | ||
| Get out of there, Mech. | ||
| Interesting, though. | ||
| Usman does not want no part of that fucking stand-up. | ||
| Nope, I don't think so. | ||
| Not enjoying it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Doesn't want to be throwing bones with a Viking. | ||
| That's a long history of fucking people up. | ||
|
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Where did he wrestle? | |
| Nebraska, Kearney. | ||
| Kearney. | ||
| Got that wizard. | ||
| D2. He's got that wizard. | ||
|
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Ooh! | |
| Ooh! | ||
| Good left hand by Usman. | ||
|
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Oh! | |
| Bad move going over the head. | ||
| Almost get the back. | ||
| Should've kept that wizard, right? | ||
| Should've kept it. | ||
|
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Mmm. | |
| Interesting how to score this, right? | ||
| Because Usman, when he gets it to the ground, he's been not able to do anything. | ||
| He controls him, but he's not getting anything off. | ||
| And it's Mech who went for the submissions in the first round. | ||
| Mech went for the submissions, and clearly Usman does not want to stand with him. | ||
| He's trying to bring this into his realm. | ||
| Well, stand up without giving up your back. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't want to stand up too high and get the hooks in. | ||
| So it's about guarding your hips and standing up at the same time. | ||
| That's also why you see he's got his right hip pressed nice and square. | ||
| He's trying to keep that left hook, or the right hook rather, from getting in. | ||
| He's back up again. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Trying to separate those arms. | ||
| A lot of battle in here. | ||
| A lot of fucking physical war. | ||
| This is going to be, in a lot of ways, like who's going to be the fitter fighter. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| But that neck keeps standing up. | ||
| Yeah, and again, going for that core. | ||
|
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And going back to the Kimura. | |
| Kimura, come on. | ||
| Gotta watch it. | ||
| That's the commitment to the hips. | ||
|
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Oh, see. | |
| He's going to it. | ||
| Going to it, but... | ||
| He's too close to the fence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Too close to the fence and doesn't really have anything going on with his legs. | ||
| He likes it though. | ||
| He's holding it. | ||
| That's his shit. | ||
| He's a muscle dude. | ||
| That's a real muscle move. | ||
| It's funny, you know, Marcelo Garcia doesn't use Kimuras. | ||
| But his body isn't on the right side to do anything with that Kimura if he gets that arm. | ||
| I find that amazing. | ||
| It does take a lot of commitment with the hips to get a Kimura. | ||
| Generally speaking... | ||
| Are you a black belt? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You fought too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you going to say? | ||
| Kimuras, I think what Marcelo means by that is that... | ||
| Kimura's definitely work. | ||
| Yeah, they certainly do. | ||
| There's elaborate systems around Kimura's. | ||
| Kimura's are fucking huge. | ||
| But I see what he says, because if you're gonna go with someone who has 20-30 pounds on you, Kimura's not gonna work. | ||
| Look at these elbows from the bottom of my neck. | ||
| And also, that's the guy who's saying, with all the options I have, I wouldn't necessarily. | ||
| I mean, he's got a lot of other options. | ||
| He's not sitting there thinking just about the Kimura. | ||
| He has a lot of options every time he attacks. | ||
| He goes for risks a lot. | ||
| So I think it's just the harder way to go with all the options he has. | ||
| That's another way to look at it. | ||
| It makes sense, though. | ||
| He says he wants to spend time working on submissions and only time, like all his time. | ||
| That work on big guys. | ||
| Chokes. | ||
| Yeah, chokes. | ||
| He went open division at Abu Dhabi all the time. | ||
| He just wants to get good at stuff that works on bigger guys. | ||
| If it doesn't work on bigger guys, he doesn't want to spend time there. | ||
| And he had a leg lock game, too. | ||
| He submitted Rico Rodriguez. | ||
| Yeah, remember that? | ||
| Abu Dhabi? | ||
| After he slammed him. | ||
| Yeah, that was dark. | ||
| That was dirty. | ||
| But that's what Jacare did to him, remember? | ||
| Paul Gardner Kimura. | ||
| Because I'm bigger, I'm stronger, lock him down, get rid of his mobility, and go for the Kimura. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| It was quick. | ||
| Fast. | ||
| Okay, Mech on the bottom here, man. | ||
| Starting to get cut up, too. | ||
| Yeah, well, he got some good elbows off from the bottom, and then Kamaru started smashing on him. | ||
| He was angry. | ||
| When you're on top of somebody for this long, though, is that... | ||
|
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Scored as control? | |
| You're in the dominant position, and also your strikes count for more. | ||
| So when it comes to significant strikes, your strikes are more significant, basically. | ||
| Yeah, and clearly Usman wants to keep the fight to the ground. | ||
| Clearly Mech wants to get up, and he can't. | ||
| So it shows dominance of position. | ||
| It shows the ability to execute your game. | ||
| End of the round. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I've been looking forward to somebody challenging Usman. | ||
| So you see some vulnerabilities in the stand-up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see a little bit of that, you know, in Mech being a strong, dangerous guy. | ||
| But you also see Usman's strengths, his ability to keep fights going down. | ||
| Now, what kind of cheese is this? | ||
| Do you get raw cheese? | ||
| Are you one of those fellas? | ||
| Yeah, this is a beautiful... | ||
| That is good cheese. | ||
| That is good cheese. | ||
| Don't be stingy. | ||
| Is this raw cheese? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't know? | ||
| But it's a beautiful... | ||
| Do you get it at Whole Foods? | ||
| It's the best manchego I've ever had. | ||
| Thank you, my man. | ||
|
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Ooh, that's really good. | |
| You see what it is? | ||
| I don't play around when it comes to cheese. | ||
| You do not, dude. | ||
| I don't play around in general. | ||
|
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Mmm. | |
| That's some good goddamn cheese. | ||
| You ever have a good vegan cheese? | ||
| No, I don't believe it. | ||
| Do they exist? | ||
| Yeah, they're cashew cheese. | ||
| You can kiss my ass with that stuff. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Yeah, it's not cheese. | ||
| Stop reinventing the wheel. | ||
| That's what drives me crazy. | ||
| They make it out of cashews and stuff. | ||
| But is it a valid substitution? | ||
| I'm being dramatic, actually. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| You aren't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're serious. | ||
| My wife eats it. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Round three. | ||
| Do you say, get the fuck out of my face with that shit when you see you're eating it? | ||
| Do you scream? | ||
| Do you yell into the kitchen? | ||
| Get the fuck out of my face with that shit right now. | ||
| Take that communist stuff out of my fucking house. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Both guys look pretty good in this third round. | ||
| Eddie, you're a vegan now, right? | ||
| I'm trying to keep my mouth away from the mic. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You look good either way. | ||
| That's all I know. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Eddie doesn't age. | ||
| Well, especially now off the booze. | ||
| He does not age, man. | ||
| Your face looks way better. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| He's 85 years old. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| 47. Damn, man. | ||
| You look young. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You really do. | ||
| Oh, nut shot. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Toes caught it. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Not that bad. | ||
| Sit on your butt like that, huh? | ||
|
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Oof. | |
| I was doing that weird drop thing that never works. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| A lot of people complain online. | ||
| Fans are like, oh, that wasn't a bad shot. | ||
| A lot of times the ones that don't look bad slam the cup right into your nuts. | ||
| And they're the worst. | ||
| The grazing shots, a lot of times, are the worst ones. | ||
| They shift the cup. | ||
| And a square one... | ||
| Yeah, you gotta get those goddamn compression cups, like Diamond MMA. They have that compression short with a cup that keeps everything locked in and tight. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| Our boy is scoring with these guys. | ||
| He hit him with a hard shot to the body and a good right hand behind it. | ||
| It's interesting because if you look at who did damage, clearly Usman got off some of the damage in that first round, but you can't discount all this. | ||
| No, you cannot. | ||
| Uh-oh, uh-oh. | ||
| Don't go back to the ground. | ||
| Come on, let me see this slugfest. | ||
| Oh, look at this! | ||
| Hammering with those elbows. | ||
| Travis Brown. | ||
|
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Uh-oh. | |
| He's going down, son. | ||
| He's probably not going to be able to get up. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| Here we go again. | ||
| He's working for that head and arm choke again. | ||
| But again, he's stuck in full guard. | ||
| Seems rudimentary. | ||
| He hasn't been there. | ||
| Yeah, he's got no pass. | ||
| He seems like he's just kind of trying to hold that spot with that left arm trapped, but he doesn't really have a real option. | ||
| Meek's an animal though. | ||
| He is an animal. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| But he's fucked here. | ||
|
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Oh! | |
| Nice! | ||
|
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Nice! | |
| Right back to it. | ||
| Still comes at him, though. | ||
| Usman, right back on him. | ||
| That's Usman's happy place, boy. | ||
| He'll just... | ||
| That pressure's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't want none of that. | ||
| Didn't want none of that. | ||
| Didn't want to be standing up with this. | ||
| That's the switch. | ||
| Old-school switch! | ||
| Old-school wrestling switch, man. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Yeah, but nah, get that on. | ||
| You got to get that, like, right away. | ||
| Usman's just got such a big advantage with the wrestling. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| That's gotta hurt. | ||
| So you see how strong Usman's wrestling is, but you also see vulnerability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Definitely see vulnerability in the stand-up. | ||
| I don't think it's gonna be as hard for him to get fights now. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| He'll be able to get a few guys that'll step in. | ||
| And he's fighting a strong guy, but he isn't fighting a tricky, you know, a guy that's going to cut a lot of angles or throw weird stuff at him. | ||
| Because he's reached a few times those takedowns, and the guy hasn't had the speed to really make him pay for it. | ||
| Somebody else will. | ||
| Him versus Mike Perry would be very interesting. | ||
| Him versus Darren Till would be interesting. | ||
| That would be horrific. | ||
| In other words... | ||
| Big advantage for the stand-up for Till. | ||
| Right, that's what I mean. | ||
| Big, big advantage. | ||
| Darren Till is a wizard. | ||
| He's going to be... | ||
| I don't know what his wrestling's like against a guy like Tyron or something, but I don't know how he stops that. | ||
| But if he does have great takedown defense, I think he's going to... | ||
| He's gonna walk through that division, not walk through it. | ||
| Well, you saw almost immediately in the Cowboy fight, he was on so many levels higher than Cowboy when it came to stand-up. | ||
| Distance control, and then consequences for his actions. | ||
| Well, he hit so fucking hard. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I mean. | ||
| Stepping in the ring at 201. He's a huge guy. | ||
| He's a huge guy. | ||
| And he's able to get down to 170. Oh, my. | ||
| He's 24 years old. | ||
| And he's super technical, too. | ||
| It's not just big. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's big and real technical. | ||
| And he stepped into a big fight, late notice, and acted like this is my moment. | ||
| A lot of guys mentally fold, and he did not. | ||
| Very confident. | ||
| There's no folding in that guy. | ||
| Do you know Vinny Shorman? | ||
| Vinny does Muay Thai commentary for a bunch of organizations. | ||
| He's also a fight hypnotist. | ||
| Really interesting guy. | ||
| He knows a lot about the Thai world and Thai fighting. | ||
| He's always talking to me about dudes. | ||
| When he found out that Till was fighting Cowboy, he was very excited. | ||
| He called me up or sent me text messages about it. | ||
| We went back and forth quite a bit. | ||
| He was like, this guy is something special. | ||
| He's something special. | ||
| It really prompted me to go watch some of Till's fights. | ||
| I was like, holy shit. | ||
| He's monstrous. | ||
| And, you know, and Cowboy was like, I ain't watching tape on him. | ||
| I heard he likes to strike. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I love striking. | ||
| I was like, this fight's gonna be fucking crazy. | ||
| How tall is Till? | ||
| He's tall. | ||
| He's like 6'2", I think. | ||
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Yikes. | |
| Yeah, he's a big fucking guy. | ||
| Huge right for 170 pounds. | ||
|
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He said it. | |
| He goes, I'm a light heavyweight. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Kick him away. | ||
| Still up! | ||
| Standing up! | ||
| Oh, big slam. | ||
| Good return. | ||
| So, dominant performance by Usman in the fact that he got in the second and the third round to do really basically what he wanted. | ||
| Took some punishment on the feet, but here it is. | ||
| Oh, the full mount now. | ||
| And he stepped right back in the half guard. | ||
| Yeah, you see the weaknesses. | ||
| You see where he needs some improvement. | ||
| Well, the big one to me is the stand-up. | ||
| He looks like he's thinking. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when things are going down, he's thinking. | ||
| And his instinct is to reach. | ||
| It's to go, okay, you're reaching. | ||
| There are guys that will really make you pay for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to see him versus a guy who can really fucking bang. | ||
| That's why I think that he's bummed out. | ||
| Emil Mech's bummed out. | ||
| But I feel like seeing Usman against a guy who might be able to stuff those takedowns and maybe have a little bit faster hands than Mech. | ||
| Mech is tough and his stand-up is good, but he's just a real strong dude that doesn't have any one overwhelming feature to his game. | ||
| Whereas a guy like Mike Perry can blow your fucking brains through the back of your head. | ||
| I mean, that guy hits so goddamn hard. | ||
| He's so ferocious. | ||
| I'd like to see him, but I don't think he's going to be able to stop that takedown. | ||
| This guy's got some fucking wicked wrestling. | ||
| Interesting, though, he learned a lot tonight, tell you that. | ||
| A fight like that's good for a guy like him. | ||
| And we got to see him in vulnerable positions. | ||
| Did not like the stand-up. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And he was in trouble a couple times against a guy who's not super-duper slick on the ground. | ||
| He was still like, oh, Kimura and the guillotine. | ||
| Especially the guillotine, like, right away. | ||
| I mean, what if he had gotten locked up like that with a guy who's like a wicked finisher? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Christian Bale is the best actor in Hollywood. | ||
| As long as Daniel Day-Lewis stays making shoes. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Daniel Day-Lewis is my favorite, but I got Christian Bale right there with him. | ||
| He's right there with him. | ||
| I love Daniel Day-Lewis, but Christian Bale. | ||
| Here's a trivia question. | ||
| What was the one movie he was in? | ||
| When he was younger, well, he was in two movies. | ||
| He's been acting since he was six? | ||
| Empire of the Sun. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Don't even start with me, dude. | ||
| Jimmy, you don't fuck around. | ||
| Let's hug it out across the table. | ||
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Jimmy, I'd love to. | |
| There's one more, but you won't get it. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| There's one more. | ||
| Henry V with Kenneth Branagh. | ||
| He is a little bit. | ||
| But I love that you got that. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Empire of the Sun, dude. | ||
| I'm already impressed. | ||
| I have a degree in history, dog. | ||
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So do I. Where'd you go to school? | |
| American University. | ||
| UCLA. Oh, you're awesome. | ||
| I have a degree in history from UCLA. I was already a fan when I listened to you on Rogan's. | ||
| I went, this fucking guy is brilliant. | ||
| But you didn't know. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I love you for that. | ||
| History trivia. | ||
| Jimmy's all about it. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| God, I love you. | ||
| I love that about you. | ||
| Dude, I'm so happy that you're with the UFC now. | ||
| Happy to be here, man. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
| We tried to get you for years. | ||
| For years. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He's as knowledgeable as he is. | ||
| There's some guys doing commentary right now, we're just saying, there's a guy who's doing on this fight that we don't know who he is. | ||
| Who's this guy? | ||
| Play-by-play. | ||
| What is his name? | ||
| Well, there's Paul Felder. | ||
| Paul Felder's the color. | ||
| He's the color. | ||
| He was a theater major, Paul Felder. | ||
| Was he? | ||
| Yes, he was. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| I watched him fight a lot, including live, and he just looks like such an animal. | ||
| So when I met him, I expected this kind of real kind of antisocial, rough guy, and he's the exact opposite. | ||
| Theater major, very intelligent, just a good sober dude, you know? | ||
| Super nice guy. | ||
| Great guy, and just as tough as it gets. | ||
| Kamaru Usman, clearly, unanimous decision. | ||
| I'm very impressed with both those guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, interesting fight though. | ||
| I'm glad that fight happened. | ||
| Got to see it. | ||
| But you're right, Usman's going to get more people going to go, oh yeah, I can beat that guy. | ||
| Which can be good for you. | ||
| You don't want people running from him. | ||
| He's going to get guys that are going to be willing to fight him now. | ||
| Because he's got a strong presence in the top ten. | ||
| I mean, he's number ten now. | ||
| Winning this fight probably keeps him in that area because Mech is probably not ranked. | ||
| Is that hoofed? | ||
| Is that how many hoofed? | ||
| Where? | ||
| Am I looking to the left? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Right there? | ||
| So you guys are saying people are going to want to fight him now? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| More than there were before. | ||
| He's no picnic. | ||
| He's like an African Khabib. | ||
| No, he could beat a lot of guys, no doubt about it. | ||
| Well, there were some vulnerabilities in there. | ||
| Yeah, not like Khabib. | ||
| I think he's very good, don't get me wrong, but I think that Emile, without real fast hands, showed some real vulnerabilities. | ||
| Okay, let's put it this way. | ||
| If Calvin Gastelum could really make 170 be healthy, like if he got Mike Dolce on speed dial and said, Mike, let's work this out. | ||
| Let's just make this work out, baby. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| We both know 70 is where it's at, and if they actually did figure out a way to get a good meal plan, drop them down the way Michael Johnson looked, you know... | ||
| Calvin's got way better hands. | ||
| And Calvin's tough to take down. | ||
| He's a real good wrestler. | ||
| He never gets fucking tired. | ||
| His endurance is phenomenal. | ||
| Compact, hard to get underneath and take down. | ||
| He's a nasty southpaw. | ||
| And that fucking right jab, straight left behind it, is surprising. | ||
| It's got snap to it. | ||
| When he cracked Bisping with that shit, when it was like, and you see Bisping's head snap back, you're like, there's some pop to that dude's punches. | ||
| He stopped Vitor that way, same way. | ||
| He's a motherfucker, that Kelvin Gastelum. | ||
| See, I would love to see that. | ||
| I mean, obviously, Kelvin's campaigning at 185 now, and maybe he's going to stay there. | ||
| No, he wants to go back down 170. I would love to see that fight. | ||
| That's what I want to see. | ||
| I want to see Kelvin versus Kamaru Usman. | ||
| I think that's a real good fight because I don't think Kelvin's ranked at 170, right? | ||
| Because he's been fighting at 85, right? | ||
| Right now he's not ranked at 170. So he goes down to 70 in Usman's top 10. Immediately he's ranked, you know, if he can beat Usman. | ||
| And it's a big if because Usman's a hell of a fucking wrestler. | ||
| And 185 has some monsters at the top. | ||
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Monsters. | |
| Just monsters, dude. | ||
| Fucking so bummed out that they canceled this fight. | ||
| What? | ||
| Robert Whitaker. | ||
| No. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| They threw in Yoel Romero. | ||
| Yoel Romero's going to fight for the interim title against Luke Rockhold, which is a lovely, lovely fight. | ||
| That's legit, by the way. | ||
| But not a lot of time. | ||
| What happened to Whitaker? | ||
| That's February, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| When is that? | ||
| No, it's February, what I'm saying. | ||
| But he was already on the card. | ||
| He was supposed to fight... | ||
| Yoel was? | ||
| Brunson? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So he was our least in camp for that date, which is huge. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| What's wrong with Whitaker? | ||
| What injury? | ||
| Did they announce it? | ||
| I think they announced it. | ||
| If I had to guess, I would bet it's his knee. | ||
| His knee got fucked up in that fight with Yoel. | ||
| Yoel sidekicked his knee and hyperextended it. | ||
| And he came back and he said, my knee's fucked in between rounds. | ||
| And still stuffed the takedowns and still beat him standing. | ||
| He's just tough. | ||
| He's Maori, right? | ||
| Yeah, but he's got a lot of tearing. | ||
| There's a lot of tears going on in that knee. | ||
| So he's going to have to figure out what the fuck to do about all that. | ||
| Your knees and your head are not made for sport, for combat sport, that's for sure. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Yeah, man, it's a real bummer when guys start having knee entries, repeated knee entries. | ||
| Like, until they get that ironed out and settled in, it's like it's always suspect. | ||
| That shit's always given out. | ||
| And then your training changes, so then your ability inside the octagon changes. | ||
| So many things change. | ||
| And meanwhile, Eddie Bravo's over here hoping dudes get their legs ripped apart. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| Eddie's all quiet. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No, I just wanted you to talk. | ||
| He'll be quiet. | ||
| But Javier Vasquez was a guy who was right about to break through when that happened. | ||
| Javier's knees were fucked before he ever got. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| His knees are real bad. | ||
| In the Alberto Crane fight. | ||
| He couldn't stand up. | ||
| King of the Cage. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Well, he had a blown ACL. I commented on that fight. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| I remember that fight. | ||
| That was my last one. | ||
| I remember him sitting down. | ||
| He blew it. | ||
| You were drunk? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I took shots. | |
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I knew it was my last show. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| We went off. | ||
| Me and Eric Apple did it. | ||
| That's Eric Apple. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I got to see that now. | ||
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Eric Apple. | |
| Damn. | ||
| But Alberto Crane, great jujitsu guy. | ||
| And Javier Vasquez, great jujitsu guy. | ||
| And it was for the King of the Cage title. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Javi was about to break through. | ||
| If Javi just stopped from the injury, if he just let go and said, look, I'm injured, I'm going to stop this fight, his career would have taken a completely different path. | ||
| His mental toughness, his ability to endure and fight with that ACL, it kept blowing out during the fight. | ||
| He just kept giving out, so he must have chewed up the whole inside of his fucking leg, his meniscus and all that shit, but still went on to be a really good fighter in MMA and a really good fucking submission grappler. | ||
| Fought in EBI a bunch of times with those knees. | ||
| Didn't he run into some health issues recently? | ||
| Cancer, I believe. | ||
| He just beat it. | ||
| He got on the Gerson method. | ||
| Who is this? | ||
| Javi Vasquez. | ||
| What's the Gerson method? | ||
| A lot of juicing, like coffee enemas. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Juicing, coffee enemas? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| What kind of cancer was it? | ||
| It worked. | ||
| What kind of cancer did he have? | ||
| He had... | ||
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um... | |
| Colon cancer. | ||
| Colon cancer. | ||
| Okay, so that makes sense with the enemas. | ||
| It's not a joke. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| So he beat it. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| God, it's easy. | ||
| At 50, you should all have... | ||
| Like, I had to get my fucking colon. | ||
| Figure up your butthole? | ||
| I got a clean butthole. | ||
| Now, they stick a tube up there. | ||
| Did you, like, wrap your legs around your arms like this here? | ||
| There was a private... | ||
| And, like, let him in there? | ||
| That's a private question. | ||
| Did you, like, get up in there? | ||
| He smelled like cologne. | ||
| He's right now showing you. | ||
| My doctor smelled like cologne, and he was a really nice guy. | ||
| And he didn't wear gloves. | ||
| I love how you're showing us how it's done, Joe. | ||
| Like, check this out. | ||
| That's how you do it, bro. | ||
| And his breath smelled like pineapple. | ||
| Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. | ||
| Everything else is none of your business. | ||
| I was talking to a guy the other day that had mint breath over shit breath. | ||
| Oh, that's terrible. | ||
| And it was so confusing. | ||
| That's a terrible story. | ||
| Somebody told him that his breath smelled like shit, and so he was eating mints, but it wasn't good enough. | ||
| So it was like, I was... | ||
| You know what it was like, man? | ||
| It was confusing. | ||
| It was like there's two signals that were clashing with each other at the same time. | ||
| Do you want to know what's awful for folks listening at home that aren't broadcasters? | ||
| I'm not naming names. | ||
| We're not going to name any names to broadcast with somebody whose breast stinks. | ||
| Because they turn to you, and you have to stay close to them to stay in the two-shot. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| And you can't go, ugh! | ||
| You can't react at all. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| And it is, I brush my teeth... | ||
| Like, religiously, when I'm doing camera stuff, because I'm in someone's face talking to them. | ||
| And I've been on the receiving end of that, and been like, this... | ||
| And you can't make a face, you can't do anything. | ||
| After shows, when you take pictures with people, girls and guys, sometimes you're just like, God damn it, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| They say when people don't eat a lot, like if you... | ||
| Acidity? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Like if you fast? | ||
| So there are different things. | ||
| I know with chronic halitosis, apparently it's the sulfates on your tongue. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So typically, I guess the... | ||
| So the chemicals, I guess the sulfur, everybody has different compounds in their mouth. | ||
| And for whatever reason, I don't know, but essentially what you're smelling is sulfur. | ||
| It's a derivative of sulfur or some kind of sulfur. | ||
| And it's because there's a chemical problem in your mouth. | ||
| And they can actually address it with things. | ||
| And, oh, by the way, palatosis can also be from liver disease. | ||
| So if you have liver disease, you... | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Liver disease makes your... | ||
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Diabetes, liver disease, stuff like that. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Wow, that's interesting. | ||
| That's one of the ways they check. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And then, of course, it can be an abscess behind your tooth and all that shit, which is a disaster. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big one, man. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| But liver disease and diabetics... | ||
| Dude, I had a cracked filling, and they took the filling out, and the fucking smell that came out of my mouth, I was like, holy shit! | ||
| Because the filling had cracked and there was an infection. | ||
| I wound up getting a root canal. | ||
| And so as I'm getting this thing opened up, they break through this pocket where all this pus and rot is. | ||
| Oh, dude, it was so nasty. | ||
| That sounds awful. | ||
| You could hear it pop through and then just this fucking shit breath. | ||
| My father's friend, he was sleeping. | ||
| His wife said, you have to go to the dentist. | ||
| He said, why? | ||
| He goes, your breath is so out of control. | ||
| And they've been married for 25 years, so he goes, Jesus, alright, so check this out. | ||
| So apparently he had an abscess, a sack of bacteria in the back of his mouth. | ||
| Well, when they, I guess, took the tooth out of the filling out and they popped by accident the sack, the nurse threw up. | ||
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And the fucking dentist, the dentist walked into the room at that moment and pulled his mask off and threw the fuck up as well. | |
| No way! | ||
| It was a double vomit fest. | ||
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Can you imagine? | |
| And that happened. | ||
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Did she puke on him or what? | |
| She didn't puke on him, she just puked. | ||
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Did they pop the sacks? | |
| And then Dennis walked in and went, he had his mask on and he went, he got his mask off just barely in time and went, like that. | ||
| It was that bad. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I never have the balls to tell someone their breath stinks, though. | ||
| If you work with them, you have to. | ||
| I would tell friends, and I would want them to tell me. | ||
| If your breath stinks, I'm going to tell you, I'll tell you. | ||
| And I would want you to tell me. | ||
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Of course. | |
| That's one cool thing about black people. | ||
| They'll tell you if your breath stinks. | ||
| They will tell you. | ||
| Black people have no problem with that. | ||
| I watched Flava Flav on Love of Rock or some shit. | ||
| I'm a fucking pussy. | ||
| I once got a head from a girl. | ||
| She would come over and give me a massage. | ||
| She wasn't very good looking, but she was down to give a massage. | ||
| By the time you're done with the massage, she wanted to give me oral pleasure. | ||
| Long time ago. | ||
| But she used her teeth. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I didn't have the fucking courage to tell her. | ||
| She thought I was enjoying it, but I was like, ow! | ||
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Fuck! | |
| She's going, oh my god. | ||
| She's looking at me, winking at me and shit. | ||
| And she's scraping her teeth. | ||
| She's such a good guy. | ||
| And every time she came over, I was like, here we go. | ||
| I'm a pussy. | ||
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You're just trying to survive! | |
| A girl's pussy can reek and I'm not gonna tell her. | ||
| That's a tough one. | ||
| I'm not telling girl shit. | ||
| I gotta be a gentleman. | ||
| Okay, but if you're a girl... | ||
| And you have a problem, you have a yeast infection, and if someone doesn't let you know, you're not going to get it treated. | ||
| There's a problem. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's delicate. | ||
| It's a delicate situation. | ||
| But you're not always going to get a rational reaction. | ||
| I did tell one girl. | ||
| She went, oh, thank you. | ||
| Medically, I feel much better. | ||
| That's not going to be the reaction. | ||
| I'll tell you this story. | ||
| They're going to get mad at you. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| They'll get mad at you if their pussy stinks. | ||
| Well, there was a girl that I was in New York. | ||
| I was a young man, and she was very sexy. | ||
| I feel like the Incredible Hulk music should be playing right now. | ||
| I know. | ||
| She met me with a hat on. | ||
| I remember this weird thing. | ||
| She met me with a hat on. | ||
| I picked her up and she goes, good, thank God. | ||
| I thought you were going to be bald. | ||
| I was like 20. Thanks. | ||
| Thanks, dude. | ||
| I go, alright, whatever. | ||
| Two bald guys here. | ||
| And she and I, we got to business and then she began to give me oral pleasure. | ||
| After I'd gotten her kind of naked, and she had a hairy butt. | ||
| She had a hairy back. | ||
| Like, you know, some people can be super dark-haired, and it was fine fur. | ||
| It was very fine fur. | ||
| It was girl fur, but it's still a problem, bro, because... | ||
| The hair fanned out. | ||
| It started with the back and it was on the old rumper, stillskins. | ||
| And that was very hard for me to keep it. | ||
| I had to avert my eyes. | ||
| Was the instinct to laugh or to be like this guy? | ||
| No, I'm curious what the instinct was. | ||
| She had a big dick. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| There's no way I was going to... | ||
| What do I say? | ||
| You're too hairy on your back and you're rump. | ||
| I just dealt with it. | ||
| I did pull out a medical book on one girl, though. | ||
| I liked her a lot. | ||
| She ended up being my girlfriend. | ||
| I showed her that she had a B vitamin deficiency. | ||
| And that's why there was problems down there. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| She got all into vitamins. | ||
| She was a vitamin freak from that point on. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| But you did her a favor. | ||
| There you go, man. | ||
| I went on a date with a girl who had the worst breath in the world. | ||
| And I knew her in college. | ||
| And I said to her friend, I said, what happened with her? | ||
| I go, you want me to be honest? | ||
| I said, her breath was so bad I could smell it when we were standing at the elevator. | ||
| And she screamed. | ||
| She went, oh, my God! | ||
| We've always felt that way. | ||
| And they were friends with her. | ||
| And I said, none of you told her? | ||
| Her life is, she'll never find somebody if you don't tell her. | ||
| I couldn't tell her. | ||
| Guys will tell you quick. | ||
| Like a group of guys, I'd be like, Joe, you gotta take care of this now. | ||
| A group of guy friends will. | ||
| But I couldn't say it to the girl because I just felt, you know. | ||
| I would thank you. | ||
| I think it's important. | ||
| Paige Van Zandt loves that jump and switch kick. | ||
| She does. | ||
| That jump and roundhouse kick. | ||
| Back to the fighting, by the way. | ||
| And Paige Van Zandt, and who is Clark? | ||
| What is her first name? | ||
| Ooh, nice leg kick. | ||
| Jessica Clarke. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Did you just make that up? | ||
| No, that's what it is. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| The way he said it was like, it was a tint of a joke to it. | ||
| Ooh, wow. | ||
| Paige Van Zandt is throwing a lot of wild, leaping in shit. | ||
| Casey Halstead, head instructor at 10th Planet Las Vegas, is working with her. | ||
| With Clark? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or with Paige? | ||
| Clark. | ||
| Isn't it funny how I feel bad about telling that story about the girl with the hair on her back? | ||
| It was 25 years ago. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know. | ||
| I'm sure she's not listening to this. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| You outed me. | ||
| Aw, that jerk. | ||
| Paige loves that jumping roundhouse cake. | ||
| Paige is busy here, man. | ||
| But she got tagged several clean... | ||
| This girl, Clark has some clean striking. | ||
| Good counters. | ||
| Yeah, now see, that was the problem when we were talking about the Cyborg-Holly home fight. | ||
| She would get in quick and then eat that counter every time. | ||
| Paige is in trouble. | ||
| On her back, side control. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| What do you want to do here? | ||
| Stand up right away? | ||
| If you're on the bottom? | ||
| If you're Clark. | ||
| Either get guard or get up. | ||
| Brian, you're hilarious. | ||
| What do you want to do here? | ||
| Win? | ||
| What do you want to do here? | ||
| Do you want to drive your fist into her face here? | ||
| Want to kick her ass? | ||
| Hook. | ||
| One hook. | ||
| Edgy Brav. | ||
| I need Edgy Brav there. | ||
| Oh, standing arm triangle. | ||
| Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, Paige. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| She can jump to full guard right there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Come on, Paige. | ||
| You mean, what's her name? | ||
| Clark. | ||
| Yeah, Clark. | ||
| Yeah, she has an arm triangle, but it's hard to finish standing. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| Now here, it's much more serious. | ||
| Paige's in trouble. | ||
| Three minutes to go, she's in trouble. | ||
| And she doesn't have the best guard. | ||
| Now you want to be on the phone here, don't you? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| She wanted to be on the phone. | ||
| She's off. | ||
| She's off. | ||
| She's off the phone now. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| She's still not out of the woods yet. | ||
| She's still in trouble, but not nearly as bad. | ||
| Plenty of space. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because her elbow is not tight to her neck? | ||
| It keeps the elbow from going across your neck. | ||
| If you're like this. | ||
| So you want to extend your arm here? | ||
| You want to be here? | ||
| Here's not as good. | ||
| You want to be on the phone, but even that, if somebody's real strong, it's not going to save you. | ||
| She wants her right arm to underhook her neck. | ||
| That didn't help Ryan Stan when he got choked up by a chill. | ||
| He was on the phone there. | ||
| The guy's got a strong squeeze. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| She's got to get out of this half guard, and she wants to be on the same side as the choke. | ||
| Zach Makovsky had his leg in the escape, and Dante's put him out. | ||
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Damn. | |
| Yeah, it could, especially, like, if you do the impaler, do you know, Eddie, you still use that? | ||
| That knee to the chest when separating that? | ||
| Yes, I brought it back recently, yes. | ||
| The impaler's legit. | ||
| Like, that knee, that escape where you're holding onto your own knee, it's not good enough. | ||
| If the guy knows that impaler move and he gets that knee to your chest and puts that crush down, I like that all day. | ||
| I think the time you spend defending that, you're getting your ribs crushed and It's so much pressure on you, and if you make the decision to try to defend that and push that away, you're going to give up more of the choke. | ||
| Eddie, how do you get Tony Ferguson prepared? | ||
| It's kind of a weird question, but with that kind of wrestling and with the same kind of pressure, how do you deal with that kind of pressure? | ||
| We've been working on that since day one, right? | ||
| You mean like getting prepared for Khabib? | ||
| How do you get prepared for a dude who can wear you like that? | ||
| Well, he's not really necessarily fighting Khabib yet. | ||
| There's no schedule, but that's my prediction. | ||
| You gotta be thinking about it. | ||
| You gotta at least be thinking about it. | ||
| If it doesn't happen next, it's gonna happen eventually. | ||
| It's gonna happen. | ||
| So we prepared for that. | ||
| You know, when we were working on the Rafael Dos Andres fight, We were still thinking wrestling. | ||
| Khabib's in the mix. | ||
| We have to be working on countering. | ||
| It's not going to be easy. | ||
| Well, it paid off big in the Kevin Lee fight, right? | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Same camp. | ||
| Kevin Lee's a wrestler, good passer, loves to take the back, has a good rear naked choke. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Yeah, so Paige is in a lot of trouble here. | ||
| She's just defending and fighting for her life here off the bottom. | ||
| And Clark has not really advanced any further than this one position where she keeps trying to get this head and arm choke. | ||
| She can't quite get it. | ||
| Eddie, would you like to see her in a situation like this where she keeps going to it over and over? | ||
| Would you like to see her just try to get out of that half guard first? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Keep the position, keep that head on the ground, keep her arm trapped, but you gotta pass the guard. | ||
| She's slant a nice elbow. | ||
| Gotta get to the chopping block. | ||
| Okay, she's slicing through now. | ||
| Now because Paige went after it. | ||
| Okay, that left leg's in play. | ||
| Back to half guard. | ||
| But almost out. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Not enough time. | ||
| She's just going to try to smash now. | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| Half guard is the same whether you're trying to pass it or whether you're trying to use it. | ||
| There are submissions from half guard. | ||
| And there are submissions when you're passing half guard. | ||
| They're just hard to pull off. | ||
| It's always easier to get around guard. | ||
| Do you remember Hegan's... | ||
| It's always easy to get around guard first. | ||
| Eddie, do you remember Hegan Machado's version of the Twister? | ||
| He had a different version of the Twister? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| He asked me to show it to him one day, and I was like, I was a purple belt, and I couldn't believe a black belt, a legend. | ||
| Like, Hegan Machado wanted... | ||
| He called me over and wanted basically a private on the Twister. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| He remembered it wrong and came up with a whole different version. | ||
| So he called it the Higgins Twister. | ||
| And only like three people can do it. | ||
| And it's amazing though. | ||
| It's amazing, man. | ||
| Ryan Gregg is one of his black belts. | ||
| I remember Ryan Gregg very well. | ||
| He's the best at it. | ||
| It's a crazy... | ||
| I wouldn't know how to do it right now. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| When you say that only a few people can do it, what's the separating thing? | ||
| What keeps them from being able to do it? | ||
| It's just so unorthodox and so crazy. | ||
| It's like some kind of pro wrestling move. | ||
| But it works! | ||
| It's legit! | ||
| It's almost like from Half Guard, right? | ||
| Like on top in Half Guard? | ||
| I don't even remember. | ||
| It just twists the body in a weird way. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| So, in a regular Twister, you would be underneath with your half guard locked around the left leg, and you'd be pulling on the head with your hands clasped together. | ||
| But his was from the top position, right? | ||
| Is that Higgin Twister? | ||
| Is that Higgin Twister? | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| It doesn't say that. | ||
| It says... | ||
| Half guard back take to Twister. | ||
| Oh, this is different. | ||
| That won't be it. | ||
| This is different. | ||
| It's got to say R-I-G-A-N Higgins Twister. | ||
| Higgins Machado Twister. | ||
| He had his own weird... | ||
| He might not have ever put it on YouTube. | ||
| Probably highly likely didn't. | ||
| But it might be up there. | ||
| Someone might know it. | ||
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This video came from that search. | |
| That's why I was kind of guessing. | ||
| It's so amazing. | ||
| It's endless. | ||
| It really is, man. | ||
| Oh, look at Paige. | ||
| Paige gets to take down. | ||
| Paige on top. | ||
| I should have stuck with it. | ||
| I'm jealous of Amy. | ||
| Well, you can still go back to it, man. | ||
| I like boxing so much. | ||
| Dude, Anthony Bourdain. | ||
| Sam Tripoli came back. | ||
|
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Did he? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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When? | |
| He started recently. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, with Scott Ross. | ||
| He went down. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Where's Scott at these days? | ||
|
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He's teaching at HQ. In the daytime? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Daytime and nighttime. | ||
| Well, Kron has a school in... | ||
| Culver City. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is it Playa Vista or Culver City? | ||
| Yeah, right on that border. | ||
| Yeah, you could go there. | ||
| Look, you're in Venice. | ||
| You're near a lot of places. | ||
| There's a lot of people that could teach you down there. | ||
| Easy take time. | ||
| And, well, your boy Hanato's still down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hanato Magno? | ||
| Where's he at? | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I've got to figure it out. | ||
| He's still in the same spot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like boxing so much, though. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| I miss. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| It's so fucking hard. | ||
| You mean physically? | ||
| Learning how to fucking spar, learning how to slip a jab. | ||
| Don't you miss their own kicks? | ||
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Yeah, of course I do. | |
| So why don't you take more time? | ||
| I'd like to. | ||
| Where's a good school? | ||
| There's got to be a bunch near you, dude. | ||
| Anybody who can't find a good MMA or karate or jiu-jitsu or anything school in MMA, in LA, this is the spot. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, how many goddamn jiu-jitsu schools are there? | ||
| Eddie, how many 10th planets are there just in LA? I'll go to 10th planet. | ||
| Let's call LA the Southern California area that doesn't include San Diego. | ||
| How many 10th planets are there here? | ||
| Including San Diego? | ||
| Or not? | ||
| Let's not include San Diego. | ||
| LA? LA County. | ||
| LA, like, uh, probably 10. Isn't that amazing? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Almost 100 worldwide. | ||
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Goddamn. | |
| It's amazing. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Eddie the Innovator. | ||
|
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I can't believe it. | |
| I can't believe it. | ||
| Hashtag ballin'. | ||
| You earned it. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You figured it out. | ||
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I work hard. | |
| You do work hard. | ||
| And you're innovative. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| You're both. | ||
| You're an artist. | ||
| I don't think anybody gets by in this crazy competitive world unless you've got both. | ||
| You've got to be working hard and you've got to be thinking hard. | ||
| You've got to be creative, but you've also got to be disciplined. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| Ooh! | ||
| Oh, taking it back! | ||
| Oh, beautiful Paige Van Zandt! | ||
| Triangle! | ||
| Right into it! | ||
| Real close! | ||
| Almost! | ||
| So close! | ||
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Not quite there! | |
| Not quite there! | ||
| Oh, now we're talking! | ||
| Now we're talking! | ||
| She's going armbar! | ||
| Now she's fucked! | ||
| Paige's fucked! | ||
| Yeah, because it's under the armpit! | ||
| She's like 8 out of 10 fucked! | ||
| If she pulled the arm across, she'd be totally fucked. | ||
| Now she's fucked more. | ||
| She's a lot of time. | ||
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A lot of time. | |
| What do you do here? | ||
| Well, you have the arm bar option under the armpit, or you pull it across and get the regular triangle. | ||
| All she's got to do is pull her head. | ||
| She's just got to pull her head. | ||
| What Paige is doing right there is a good move. | ||
| Punch her in the face. | ||
| Punch her in the face. | ||
| Get that arm. | ||
| She's going to take that arm right there. | ||
| She's coming into the arm now. | ||
| Paige is tough as shit. | ||
| Fuck yeah, she is. | ||
| Fucking tough as shit. | ||
| She's a little animal. | ||
| She really is, man. | ||
| She's got to pull her head. | ||
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Cover her nose now. | |
| That's all she should be thinking. | ||
| Pulling her head. | ||
| She's trying to get that on the other side. | ||
| Now she's got it. | ||
| Now she's got it. | ||
| Oh, the full wrap-up. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Wrap-em. | ||
| Wrap it up. | ||
| That's got to be very tight. | ||
| She ain't going to tap, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| This girl doesn't go to sleep. | ||
| She's not tapping. | ||
| You're going to have to put her to sleep. | ||
| Damn, Paige is tough as shit! | ||
| Look at all the time. | ||
| 37 seconds to go and she might make it out of this fucking round. | ||
| Paige is an animal. | ||
| She is an animal. | ||
| I'm so impressed with that girl. | ||
| I mean, how many girls are as hot as her that are that fucking tough? | ||
| Oh, it's going over the foot now. | ||
| I think they're both adorable. | ||
| Maybe that's because I'm an old man. | ||
| It's over the foot now. | ||
| Not as good. | ||
| Yeah, she's dropping bows. | ||
| Dropping hard bows. | ||
| She's got to go over the ankle and toes up. | ||
| She's got to angle and finish and she's going to run out of time. | ||
| Why isn't she pulling the head? | ||
| She hasn't really committed to it. | ||
| No pulling the head. | ||
| She was trying to wrap the legs up. | ||
| She was trying to pull with the legs. | ||
| There was a Ben Saunders fight. | ||
| He fought a guy, Brian Baker, a fight that I called. | ||
| He was doing like 10 different moves. | ||
| And he ended up losing that fight. | ||
| And at the end, he's in the middle of these transitions or whatever. | ||
| And I think my broadcast part of the time goes, man, this is great transitions. | ||
| I go, the problem is nobody taps to a toehold triangle armbar wrist lock. | ||
| It's the one you commit to. | ||
| And too many guys... | ||
| Five transitions. | ||
| Look at his transition. | ||
| Yeah, but the one that gets you is the one you commit to all the way 100%. | ||
| And he didn't do that enough. | ||
| He ended up going in and losing a decision. | ||
| But if he chained to one and one stuck, you'd be impressed by it. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's all a matter of whether or not one sticks. | ||
| But what I didn't see, I didn't see that commitment to that one. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think she had the armor and the triangle. | ||
| It was kind of halfway with all of them. | ||
| I think she just needed to pull ahead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just grab the back of the head and just count it in 10 to 10. Have faith in your triangle. | ||
| I tell people, have faith in your triangle. | ||
| Too many people go triangle, it doesn't work in two seconds, they go to the arm bar and let the guy breathe again. | ||
| I think commit to your triangle. | ||
| When you deal with someone like Paige Van Zandt, it's the difference between trying to put someone to sleep and trying to make someone tap. | ||
| You can't try to make her tap, you gotta try to put her to sleep. | ||
| I really think that's what you gotta do with her. | ||
| This little girl's a savage. | ||
| She's a little beautiful savage. | ||
| But she's down two rounds to none, to me. | ||
| Yeah, but she's still got those crazy switch kicks, man. | ||
| She's super athletic with that shit, too. | ||
| She goes from the outside, and then she commits to these wild, jumping roundhouse kicks. | ||
| Damn, guys, I gotta run. | ||
| Ah, you fucking fucking fuck. | ||
| I know, I gotta pick my family up. | ||
| Well, you gotta do what you gotta do. | ||
| I know. | ||
| How about you stay for 10 more minutes? | ||
| I will. | ||
| Alright. | ||
|
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Thanks. | |
| It's a bad idea, but I'm doing it. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That wasn't a hard sell either. | ||
| You went right for that. | ||
| You just gave right in. | ||
| You're okay. | ||
| Well, I gotta stay. | ||
| You're okay. | ||
| And watch this, at least. | ||
| Yeah, you just gotta tell your family. | ||
| They can wait. | ||
| It's gonna have to wait on the curb. | ||
| Yeah, you're in the airport. | ||
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Deal with it. | |
| It's safe. | ||
| It's America. | ||
|
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Deal with the kids. | |
| You're not in Guatemala. | ||
| Fucking babies. | ||
| Oh, I just got that flu. | ||
| I had that flu for 10 days. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I got a viral rash. | ||
| I got it too. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| No, I had it too. | ||
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I was down. | |
| Jimmy, when we were doing our podcast and I was coughing. | ||
| Stay away from me, dude. | ||
| I'm done now. | ||
| How long were you down for? | ||
| I was down for 10 days. | ||
| I was down for two days. | ||
| But you know why? | ||
| Because I saw it coming. | ||
| Oh, there's that jumping around house kick. | ||
| I saw it coming and I was like, you know what? | ||
| This don't feel normal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This feels like a little extra. | ||
| So you slept? | ||
| Yeah, I just stayed in bed. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| The beautiful thing of being self-employed. | ||
| My son got it. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| His friends got it. | ||
| His friends' moms got it. | ||
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That sucks. | |
| Yeah, my youngest got it, and she got over it in a day like a little wolverine. | ||
| My kids eat a lot of probiotics, man. | ||
| I got them eating Bio-K and different probiotics and taking probiotic little snacks. | ||
| Fuck, it makes a big difference. | ||
| So important, man. | ||
| Can't you take too many of those? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Have you heard of Sheila Jat? | ||
| It's the tar from the Himalayas. | ||
| It's loaded with trace minerals. | ||
| Sounds like it's from the Himalayas. | ||
| It tastes like garbage! | ||
| But supposedly it's a shit. | ||
| She's got to be careful with that over and over and over again, going to that well, with that jump and round kick. | ||
| Because if a girl's got a real good right hand and she times that shit... | ||
| Take you right off your feet. | ||
| Yeah, take you right off your feet and you're gonna get fucking hurt because she's throwing it and she's fully committing to it, meaning like she throws her arms into it. | ||
| So her hands are down, her chin's up in the air like it's on a flagpole. | ||
| And it's a beautiful technique if it lands. | ||
| The problem is she KO'd Beck wrong. | ||
| See, she just tried to go do it again. | ||
| Like that well is tapped. | ||
| She's going to that well a lot. | ||
| Her hands are down too when she's coming to that kick. | ||
| When she KO'd Beck Rawlings with it, it was so sensational. | ||
| I think that's become her shit. | ||
| You get hooked on it. | ||
| They get hooked on that feeling. | ||
| I've seen it all the time. | ||
| She can take a punch too, man. | ||
| Clark is much cleaner with the striking. | ||
| She's doing basics. | ||
| Technical basics. | ||
| And she's got a good timing with her right hand. | ||
| Clark's definitely had two rounds of nothing. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| I would say, yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| See, it goes again. | ||
| She's going to it again. | ||
| And you watch when she does it, that left hand goes right down to her hips. | ||
| It's fucking so dangerous. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| She might be... | ||
| It's good every now and then. | ||
| Oh, right now. | ||
| Damn, man. | ||
| She makes her pay every time she comes close with those. | ||
| If you're doing that against a man who is a KO artist... | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| She almost landed that flying knee. | ||
| Hey, dude, she could land it. | ||
| But what I'm saying is she's making it very obvious that that's her go-to shit. | ||
| She does it so often, and it's an unusual move. | ||
| See, she's trying to do it right there. | ||
| She takes this big step, and then she tries to jump and throw a round. | ||
| I mean, who the fuck does a jumping round? | ||
| She does two in a row right there. | ||
| Who the fuck does this that much? | ||
| Yagir Rodriguez? | ||
| No. | ||
| More than him, even. | ||
| She does it more than him. | ||
| She does it more than anybody. | ||
| This is like her go-to shit as a jumping switch kick. | ||
| Like, that's crazy. | ||
| I don't even care if it lands. | ||
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Look at that! | |
| She did it again! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Left hand behind it, though! | ||
| It does look good. | ||
| At least she's doing something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's going after it, man. | ||
| She's going after it. | ||
| Yeah, she's behind. | ||
| Yeah, she's going after it. | ||
| She's trying to win by knockout. | ||
| Paige Van Zandt presses the shit out of me. | ||
| She does. | ||
| She's so tough. | ||
| And again, cute as a button. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You know, cute as a button and a fucking barbarian. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Good athlete, good movement. | ||
|
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Eh. | |
| If you like white chicks, I suppose. | ||
| Did anybody see Claressa Shields fight last night? | ||
| No. | ||
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Paige Van Zandt has a broken arm right now. | |
| She does? | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, she tore her corner after the first round. | ||
| Which arm? | ||
| It must be the left, right? | ||
| Yeah, the left, she's holding fire. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's probably why she keeps throwing that kit. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably why she keeps throwing it. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely the left. | ||
| See how she's extending it? | ||
| She's not punching with it? | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, that's fucking nuts, man. | ||
| She must have got kicked with something? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Still game. | ||
| Still going at it. | ||
| Still going for it. | ||
| Tough as fuck, dude. | ||
| Well, that makes sense now why she keeps going to the well with that jumping round kick. | ||
| That's what she's got from the left side. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| Oh, kick to the body. | ||
| That's a good scrap. | ||
| What's her name? | ||
| I like Clark's fundamentals, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | ||
| Clark looks really good, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | ||
| Oh, it's her right arm. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It's her right arm. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Broken bones in there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She goes right to the rise. | ||
| Remember Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell? | ||
| He's like, yeah, I can feel it clicking. | ||
| He would turn it and it would click. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And KO'd him. | ||
| He even went a broken arm. | ||
| And split his lip open. | ||
| Remember that horrible injury? | ||
| Love you guys. | ||
| Gotta go. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Very nice meeting you. | ||
| Good to see you, my brother. | ||
| Thanks for coming by. | ||
| Thanks for the cheese. | ||
| Thanks for the wine. | ||
| I'll leave the wine here for you the next time we do a podcast together. | ||
| Come see me in... | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| Columbus. | ||
| Where are you, hilarious? | ||
| Brian Callum. | ||
| At the Funny Bone. | ||
| One of the best comics in the world. | ||
| January 25, 26, 27. Then I'm in that at the DC Empire. | ||
| February 1, 2, 3. New Columbus Funny Bone is fucking sensational. | ||
| I hear it's one of the best clubs going. | ||
| You know what they did? | ||
| They revamped it. | ||
| They moved the whole front bar area. | ||
| They took it out. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Expanded the showroom. | ||
| It's huge now. | ||
| It's very nice. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| Yeah, tell Dave I said what's up. | ||
| January 25, 26, 27. Beautiful. | ||
| Thanks, guys. | ||
| You're a fucking animal. | ||
| I'll see you later. | ||
| BrianCallen.com. | ||
| All that good stuff. | ||
| With a Y. B-R-Y. I'll leave you. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Yeah, just leave it there. | ||
| We got ants. | ||
| They'll take care of it. | ||
| Very nice meeting you, man. | ||
| Alright, say hi to your family, brother. | ||
| We'll do some history shit on the next podcast. | ||
| Love you, man. | ||
| Brian Callen has to leave. | ||
| Someone cares about their family more than they do about random people listening to a podcast. | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| I mean, different planet. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Fucking bullshit. | ||
| What are you talking? | ||
| We hear you. | ||
| Shut the door. | ||
| What's he trying to do? | ||
|
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He asked what the main event was. | |
| He asked what the main event was. | ||
|
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He has no idea. | |
| He's like, this is MMA, right? | ||
| Brian Callen is on a podcast that is about fighting, the fighter and the kid, and barely pays attention to the sport. | ||
| I mean, it's like his big gig is him being on the podcast, and it's half the fun, is Brendan going, how do you not know this? | ||
| How do you not know this? | ||
| So Schaub is home right now with the flu. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, that's why I called you. | ||
| I called you today. | ||
| I'm the backup. | ||
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That's cool. | |
| Listen, I called you anyway, but he was going to be here, and it was last minute. | ||
| He's like, dude, I'm too sick. | ||
| He was working in Portland, and he's like, I'm coughing so bad, I can't do this. | ||
| I said... | ||
| My man Jimmy Smith's around. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Jimmy Smith's so gangster, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I just want you to know, he drives here in a 1968 Firebird stock. | ||
| Fully stock. | ||
| Stock seat, stock brakes, stock poses. | ||
| He's driving a 1968 car like it's 1968. Yeah, it's my only car. | ||
| And that's how he gets around. | ||
| That's all I drive. | ||
| That's very gangster. | ||
| Are you a mechanic? | ||
|
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No! | |
| I can keep up with certain things, but I'm on the road so much, even if I wanted to, I couldn't. | ||
| It would be in a garage all the time, and I don't have that. | ||
| That's very gangster. | ||
| I had a 69 Barracuda before that, and it got rear-ended, and I had to get it replaced. | ||
| Yeah, the 69 Barracuda is a beautiful year, too. | ||
| It's a monster. | ||
| It's an underappreciated year. | ||
| I had a 70, and that's the bigger body. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The different one. | ||
| And everybody knows that one. | ||
| The Hemi-Engine. | ||
| Yeah, and it's also like what the new Challenger looks like, right? | ||
| The new Challenger is like sort of a version of that. | ||
| But that older one is really unique in the muscle car world. | ||
| That's 69, 68 Barracuda. | ||
| It's a weirder shape. | ||
| Harder to find parts for. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| Yeah, and to get the dash from like a... | ||
| Like a junkyard in Ohio or some shit. | ||
| Well, you know what they're doing that's really interesting now? | ||
| A lot of companies are... | ||
| There's a new company, Steve Stroh was just telling me about it, that are making a 1969 Camaro from the ground up with all new parts. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard of that. | ||
| They're making everything. | ||
| All the fenders. | ||
| They're making the subframe. | ||
| They're making the doors, the dash panels. | ||
| They're making a 1969 Camaro, but it's not from 1969. It's from 2018. Which is crazy. | ||
| I've heard about people doing that same thing, but the internal parts are all, like, eco-friendly, but it runs the same frame and everything. | ||
| I mean, they're doing crazy shit now. | ||
| I've heard of that. | ||
| Yeah, there's a Mustang that's, like, an 850 horsepower electric Mustang that someone in Texas made. | ||
| And it's a 1968 Mustang, but it's just some fucking beast-fuck electric engine. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Paige runs in with a spinning backfist there. | ||
| Oh, that's when she broke her arm. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it looks like. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| She broke it on a spinning back fist. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, these bones are weak as shit, man. | ||
| And they crack so easy. | ||
| Once again, Tim Sylvia, Frank Muir. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and tried to keep fighting. | ||
| Remember every booing Herb Dean? | ||
| Everybody was so mad. | ||
| Herb's like, and then they saw the replay, like, oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, we had to point it out in the replay, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We had to say, slow it down, slow it down. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That's a broken arm. | ||
| Like, that thing is not supposed to bend like that. | ||
| All right, what was your worst... | ||
| On air in terms of like, oh fuck moment. | ||
| Corey Hill and Anderson Silva, those two leg breaks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| I think Corey Hill worse because the referee didn't see it. | ||
| And so I threw my headset off and I jumped up and I was screaming, stop the fight, stop the fight. | ||
| Because the referee was in an odd position. | ||
| And the leg, he kicked, the leg snapped, I saw the leg go rubber, I saw his leg go down, I saw him go down, and then... | ||
| Forget who he's fighting was on top of him hitting him and The referee wasn't it wasn't on it. | ||
| He just wasn't aware. | ||
| He was in a bad position You know, he's looking at the punches being landed. | ||
| He didn't realize that the leg had been snapped Those two were the worst. | ||
| Oh, there's Corey. | ||
| Yeah We did one, it was... | ||
| See, so the referee's over there, and Corey Hill, rest in peace, he died a few years back. | ||
| That Ngannou knockout of fucking... | ||
| Oh, so that's the UFC Performance Institute. | ||
| I went there two weeks ago when I was in Vegas. | ||
| Holy shit, is that place impressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, have you been there, Eddie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Did Tony train there? | ||
| No, I had a meeting, an EBI meeting. | ||
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Oh, right, right, right. | |
| With the UFC. Oh, nice. | ||
| Forest gave us a tour of the place. | ||
| They gave me the tour? | ||
| Yeah, Forest gave me a tour, too. | ||
| How amazing is that place? | ||
| Dude, it's incredible. | ||
| It's one of the coolest places I've ever seen. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, I want to live here. | ||
| Dude, the screen where you can record your sparring, it's like an NFL thing where you can write notes and circles and all this shit on it and give it to your coach. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| They're recording it in 360 degrees so they can look at you from any angle. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| And then they have all these different recovery stations. | ||
| They have a cryo machine that goes down to like 240 degrees below zero and then up to 170 degrees above zero. | ||
| You can go hot-cold inside the machine. | ||
| Like, which is, what the fuck, man? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They have, like, three pools of different temperatures for, like, rehab. | ||
| They have two pools that are different temperatures. | ||
| One really hot one and one really cold one. | ||
| Yeah, that's the room right there. | ||
| And there's one to your left. | ||
| Oh, that's me. | ||
| That's my video. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And then there's a treadmill to your left in a pool. | ||
| And that's Angela Hills on that one right here while I'm filming. | ||
| And she's running. | ||
| There she is. | ||
| And she's running on this treadmill that lifts and lowers. | ||
| And you can watch your running form on these little screens. | ||
| See, I think I cut to the screen. | ||
| She was joking around about her butt. | ||
| You can check out the screen and you can see like your form to make sure that you're landing ball of the foot first, you know with proper running form. | ||
| The fucking whole place is incredible. | ||
| They have sleep pods that you get in. | ||
| They're like these lounge chairs and it's like some sci-fi movie with this big egg comes down over you. | ||
| Like a Darth Vader. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the sleep pods. | ||
| So you're lying down there. | ||
| It's playing music and shit. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Off the charts. | ||
| I mean, they have everything. | ||
| So, last week, I'm on your podcast, and I can say it now. | ||
| You were talking about the Performance Center. | ||
| Well, I had gotten a tour of that when I met Dana White and everybody, like, two weeks ago. | ||
| So, I was like, whoa, that's great! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| So, anyway, I got a tour of the thing. | ||
| It was kind of funny. | ||
| It would be funny if you said, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that seems familiar. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we were hoping that we were going to be able to mention it on the podcast, but things take time. | ||
| Paperwork, man. | ||
| It takes a minute. | ||
| Yeah, and hey, congratulations to our boy Big John McCarthy. | ||
| Big John, dude. | ||
| He'll be very good at that. | ||
| What gig? | ||
| He's the new Jimmy Smith. | ||
| Took over for me at Bellator. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Yeah, man. | ||
|
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Oh, shit. | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| He'll be great at that. | ||
| I think he's going to be awesome at that. | ||
| I didn't know he was living in Vegas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He moved. | ||
| Got tired of flying to Vegas all the time for fights. | ||
| So he just fucking moved to Vegas. | ||
| That's the kind of guy Big John is. | ||
| He is, man. | ||
| But he lives out in the burbs. | ||
| He's not like on the strip going to fucking Hakkasan every night. | ||
| Yeah, I think he'll do a good job, man. | ||
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I do. | |
| No, he'll be great. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| He'll be great. | ||
| I was really happy about that, personally. | ||
| Yeah, he'll be great. | ||
| You know, I mean, you talk about a guy who's seen literally every major fight. | ||
| I mean, he was the go-to guy for over a decade. | ||
| Like, every big fight had to have Big John McCarthy as a referee. | ||
| You know, after a while, a lot of guys have gotten some of the calls for some of the big, big fights, but he's the gold standard. | ||
| And the guy knows so much about the sport, and he's a legit black belt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's not going to ref anymore? | ||
| No, he's not going to ref anymore for a while, but he always could go back to it. | ||
| Do you know, he's got two or three, at least two, fake discs in his neck. | ||
| I think it might be three. | ||
| And then he just got some shit fused, too. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That jiu-jitsu is a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a motherfucker in your joints, man. | ||
| And you're back. | ||
| You hear about so many people. | ||
| I got this thing I want to show you. | ||
| And every grappler should get one of these. | ||
| You should get one for the gym. | ||
| It's called an iron neck. | ||
| And it was created by this guy who is a former football player, and he created it to deal with CTE. He's like, a lot of what these guys are getting, they're getting from their head, getting snapped. | ||
| And he's like, and I think you can mitigate a lot of that with neck strength. | ||
| But a lot of the different things that people create for neck strength, this is him. | ||
| Show me how to do it. | ||
| We got one here. | ||
| So you strap this thing on your head. | ||
| You pump it up. | ||
| It's like a Reebok pump. | ||
| Remember those pumps where you press the... | ||
| It gets real tight to your head. | ||
| And then you're pulling on that bungee cord. | ||
| That black cord is 50 pounds of resistance. | ||
| And so I'm pulling back and he's like straightening out my posture. | ||
| And then there's resistance and turning the band. | ||
| Phenomenal. | ||
| I love that thing. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| How often do you do it? | ||
| Whenever I want to. | ||
| I have one in my house and I have one here. | ||
| So I do it all the time. | ||
| I did it yesterday. | ||
| It was part of my workout yesterday. | ||
| I like to start off my workout with it. | ||
| I put that fucker on and I go through a whole series of Stevie Wonders. | ||
| It's like you have it on your head and you go like this. | ||
| What it does is, you know who's real big on it? | ||
| Aaron Pico. | ||
| He loves that thing. | ||
| He said it turned his neck into a weapon. | ||
| For me, I had some pretty big problems with my neck for a while. | ||
| I think two things from not tapping and two from head and arm chokes. | ||
| I was always doing a lot of head and arm chokes on this side. | ||
| You're always using your neck. | ||
| Your neck becomes a part of your game. | ||
| I never really strengthened my neck other than training and this has made a big fucking difference. | ||
| Is that Johnny Hendrix or is that like a fat guy who looks like Johnny Hendrix? | ||
| It's not Johnny Hendrix. | ||
| Sorry fat guy. | ||
| You're not really fat, bro. | ||
| You're not fat. | ||
| You're not ripped like Michael Johnson, but you're not fat. | ||
| I'm just talking shit. | ||
| But that machine is like one of the best methods I've ever found of strengthening your neck. | ||
| Stabilizing your neck. | ||
| Edit that out about me calling that guy fat. | ||
| Sometimes you say things, you're just talking shit. | ||
| Yeah, it just comes out of your mouth. | ||
| You don't mean to. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| If you listen, buddy, I'm fat too. | ||
| But this machine... | ||
| Actually, he's not fat at all. | ||
| But this machine is fucking phenomenal. | ||
| I'm a giant fan of it. | ||
| You can either have it on a bungee cord or some people put it on one of them cable machines. | ||
| Like I'd imagine if you were some Francis Ngannou fella, you would want even more resistance. | ||
| Oh, that's in Austin. | ||
| They're doing that at the Onnit gym. | ||
| I'm a big fan of this thing. | ||
| I think every grappler in particular, because how many people have fucking neck problems? | ||
| Oh, I mean, to not have them is weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| And I think this is a great machine, but I think there's a bunch of other things you should do as well. | ||
| I'm a big believer in shrugs, I think, for grapplers. | ||
| Just protecting that whole area, building up all that muscle in the back area. | ||
| You get them fucking Overeem traps. | ||
| Remember Overeem when you used the Overeem? | ||
| Dude, unbelievable. | ||
| They started at the top of his ears and would drop down. | ||
| You know what I got recently that I'd like to recommend is, you know, I have... | ||
| Something really wrong with my right shoulder and I like to sleep on my side So sometimes man, I wake up in the middle of the night my shoulders sore just from sleeping wrong on it Yeah, it sucks putting all your weight on it and after a while fucking and I got the flu like you did too I got it last week for a day I was in bed for 24 hours and man my shoulder was killing me from being sick in bed and So I got this pillow that's for people that have acid reflux. | ||
| It's a sloped pillow and there's a hole in it where you could put your arm under and you sleep on the side. | ||
| I'm in love with it. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
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What's it called? | |
| I've seen that. | ||
| It's called MedKline. | ||
| MedKline. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| And you can see both sides. | ||
| And there's like this snake pillow that goes through it. | ||
| So your arm is feeling beautiful. | ||
| There's no pressure on it. | ||
| And you're on your side. | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Oh, that's weird looking. | ||
| Dude, I'm telling you, I'm in love with this thing, man. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yes, I think maybe that's a big part of my shoulder problem, maybe. | ||
| Sleeping weird? | ||
| Yeah, just like, I sleep on my side, and I know that you're not supposed to. | ||
| You're supposed to sleep flat on your back, but I cannot sleep flat on my back. | ||
| I gotta be on either side. | ||
| I'm always switching from one side to the next. | ||
| Well, when you started lifting heavy again after you got those cortisone shots, you said your shoulder was feeling amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you told me you were doing bench. | ||
| I was like, oof. | ||
| Like, bench is one of the worst things for your shoulder. | ||
| I should have never got a cortisone shot. | ||
| That was the big mistake right there. | ||
| I got talked into it by a doctor. | ||
| I went into the doctor to get a prescription for an MRI. And I told him, you know, my shoulder just doesn't heal. | ||
| It's just constantly bothering me. | ||
| And he did a couple tests and he said, hey, you don't have any tears, but what's wrong is the tendon that's connecting your bicep to your shoulder, it's thrashed. | ||
| But if we put a cortisone shot in there, you'll be fine. | ||
| And I grew up a big... | ||
| I'm a football fan, and I always thought cortisone shots is what an athlete takes to play the rest of the game, but he's gonna pay for it afterwards, but just to get through the game, give him a cortisone shot. | ||
| I thought it was just a painkiller. | ||
| And that's what I told him. | ||
| And he said, no, it's a big myth. | ||
| It actually heals the tendon. | ||
| And I said, really? | ||
| I said, okay, so he did it. | ||
| He said, don't do shit for 10 days. | ||
| I didn't, then it actually did, it felt amazing. | ||
| And then I started lifting again, and I started lifting heavier than ever. | ||
| And then about a, and dude, like all the time, I started doing your little, that routine you were talking about, some Russian said that you're supposed to do the same body parts. | ||
| Like, not just once a week, but like, you know, every time you go in, hit the same body parts, just don't hit them that hard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Remember that program? | ||
| Creasing the groove, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's what I started doing. | ||
| But then I started doing, working the same body part. | ||
| Every time I went to the gym. | ||
| I did chest hard every time I went to the gym. | ||
| Back hard every time I went to the gym. | ||
| I was doing complete body workouts. | ||
| It just slowly morphed into that. | ||
| And I always wanted to go to failure. | ||
| And then within two months, the pain started coming back. | ||
| And then it just slowly progressed. | ||
| And now it's worse than ever. | ||
| You should get an MRI. Yeah, no, I am. | ||
| I am. | ||
| I just got the prescription for that last week. | ||
| All I got to do is go in now. | ||
| I'm going to go get that checked out. | ||
| Man, it's such a common injury. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, so many guys have shoulder problems. | ||
| But that pillow, though, is helping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That pillow is huge. | ||
| I'm gonna get one then. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| It looks awesome. | ||
| Alright, we're about to hit the main event. | ||
| Jeremy Stevens just showed up. | ||
| Oh, shit, Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| He's a tough fucking out at 145 pounds. | ||
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He is. | |
| That's a big 45-er. | ||
| I mean, he's fucking big for that weight class. | ||
| And he's coming off of that fight against... | ||
| Who the fuck did he just fight? | ||
| He had a real good fight against a veteran where he kicked the shit out of his legs. | ||
| I want to say Jim Miller. | ||
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No, but that would be 55. Dude, 13 first round finishes. | |
| That is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, 13 first round finishes. | ||
| That's amazing, right? | ||
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Think about that. | |
| Seven straight wins by knockout. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Second most knockdowns in UFC history. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| So he beat Gilbert Melendez in his last fight. | ||
| Second most knockdowns in UFC history? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Remember his KO of Dos Anjos? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Stunning. | ||
| Stunning uppercut. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Neck-snapping uppercut. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| Dennis Bermudez at flying knee against the cage. | ||
| Jeremy Stephens. | ||
| Honey Jason, that head kick. | ||
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Woo! | |
| He's got a ton of them, man. | ||
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Woo! | |
| That's his thing. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| I'm excited about this fight, too, because Duho Choi brings it, and he's got a clean right hand. | ||
| That right hand comes down the pipe. | ||
| Like a piston. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Isn't he going to the Korean army, though, for a while? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That's Chan Sung Jung, the Korean zombie. | ||
| He went two years in the Korean army. | ||
| But this guy's got to go, too. | ||
| They have compulsory service, so... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He has to go. | ||
| He'll do eventually. | ||
| Wow, that's a bummer for guys that are world-class fighters. | ||
| They think they should give them a little break. | ||
| Let them put that shit off. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Two years, baby. | ||
| Sacrifice. | ||
| Do Ho Choi. | ||
| Here we go, baby. | ||
| It is, I mean, from a ruler standpoint, it's actually a great idea to make everybody go to the army for two years, right? | ||
| It's not a bad idea if you want to instill patriotism in people, too, and understanding of what it means to have a country. | ||
| What does it mean to have an armed service if you're just some soft, fat, little pudgy fuck like me sitting back letting the soldiers do all the work. | ||
| You know, if you actually have to go and do it yourself, you're actually over there. | ||
| All they got to worry about is North Korea. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| No one else is messing with them. | ||
| Well, China. | ||
| China's on the side of North Korea. | ||
| That's part of the problem. | ||
| That's part of our problem with negotiating with North Korea. | ||
| They're still technically at war. | ||
| Most people don't know. | ||
| North Korea and South Korea? | ||
| Yeah, they signed a ceasefire. | ||
| They never signed an armistice. | ||
| So there's no peace treaty. | ||
| We'll stop fighting for right now and it held for 50 years. | ||
| Did you see what the fuck happened to Hawaii the other day? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| I found out from Kelly Slater's Instagram. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| There was a fake missile warning. | ||
| That a missile was coming in and they said it was not a drill. | ||
| Like how was that a wrong button kind of thing? | ||
| Go through a few people before it goes out to the whole state. | ||
| You know how you have that thing when you're getting a phone call and you have the option? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| To say, hey, I'll call you back. | ||
| I'm driving. | ||
| It's one of the two or three options you can just press. | ||
| Is one of them, hey, an intercontinental ballistic missile's headed your way, Hawaii? | ||
| It's like, oh, here's weather, here's missile, and you hit the wrong... | ||
| No, it shouldn't work that way. | ||
| It shouldn't be anywhere near like that. | ||
| You can walk to the whole state. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Yeah, Lema Lee McFarlane was on her Instagram. | ||
| I was like, yeah, apparently it's a missile. | ||
| Same shit. | ||
| I was unbelievable. | ||
| People were fucking crying and freaking out, apparently. | ||
| I have a friend who lives in Hawaii. | ||
| You know, that's a state that's been hit before. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Militarily. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| You gotta think. | ||
| I mean, the memory of Pearl Harbor. | ||
| There's people who were alive back then. | ||
| Plenty of them. | ||
| Jeremy motherfucking Stevens! | ||
| Dum-dum-dum! | ||
| This should be war. | ||
| I am very excited about this. | ||
| There's certain guys who don't know how to have a boring fight, and Jeremy Stevens is one of those guys. | ||
| Yeah, he's one of them. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| And he's looking forward to this fight, too, stylistically. | ||
| A lot like the Gilbert Melendez fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gil's another guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I want to see if he goes right back to that same low calf kick. | ||
| He had so much success with it in that Melendez fight. | ||
| I mean, that essentially took Melendez out of his game plan real early. | ||
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He looks like such a wolf with that crazy beard. | |
| Remember when boxing didn't let guys have beards? | ||
| What the fuck was that about? | ||
| People were bitching about Canelo's hair when he fought Triple G. Interesting. | ||
| All his beard is too long. | ||
| It softens a punch. | ||
| Yeah, I don't buy that at all. | ||
| Seems so ridiculous. | ||
| That was like something that they used to say. | ||
| Like you used to have to shave your beard. | ||
| Makes sense though. | ||
| It's a big pad. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Duo Choi landed two hard leg kicks in a row. | ||
| I just can't imagine it realistically softening a punch to make a difference. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I kind of see what you're saying, Eddie. | ||
| It's a pad. | ||
| Maybe if you have a Kimbo slice beard. | ||
| Because you have that thick hair. | ||
| Oh, there's a nice one by Jeremy. | ||
| Duo choice tall for the weight class, man. | ||
| 5'10.5", 146. Oh, nice. | ||
| This is a... | ||
| You know, people complain about weight cutting all the time. | ||
| You know, we've talked about it a million times, but you see how big these fuckers are. | ||
| You see why they do it. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| If you can do it, it's worth it. | ||
| What's interesting is what California's doing. | ||
| You know, there's a bunch of guys like Marlon, like Marlon Marais. | ||
| They essentially... | ||
| They're not saying that he can't fight 135 again, but they're saying, dude, you're a 145-pound fighter who's killing themselves to make 135. Ooh, another one by Choi. | ||
| So, Duho Choi is having... | ||
| Oh, right hand over the top by Choi. | ||
| Oh, knee by Choi. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| He looks clean. | ||
| Yeah, chins up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| He's relying a lot on his ability to read punches with his chin that high. | ||
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Maybe... | |
| How do they decide? | ||
| If someone misses weight in a certain weight category two or three times, then automatically? | ||
| Well, that's a good way to do it, but there's no hard, fast rule in terms of how the UFC approaches it. | ||
| It varies depending upon the individual circumstances, but with California, Andy Foster, who's the head of the Athletic Commission in California, is, in my opinion, one of the very best in the world. | ||
| He's real proactive. | ||
| He's super on top of things. | ||
| He's instituted a bunch of different weight classes. | ||
| They've added 65, 75. They're adding more weight classes, which I think is critical. | ||
| I think that's the future. | ||
| I really think we spent way too much time with 20-pound gaps in between. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Jeremy Stevens tags him! | ||
| Two in a row. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, and a good leg kick as well. | ||
| I think we spent way too much time with a minimal amount of weight classes, with these eight weight classes. | ||
| I think we could use more. | ||
| And what they've decided is that if a fighter is a certain weight when they weigh in, they can only be a certain weight more when they fight. | ||
| So they're weighing guys when they weigh in and then they're weighing them right before they fight. | ||
| And guys like Marlon, he gained a shitload of weight. | ||
| I think he gained 17 pounds. | ||
| Sorry if I'm wrong. | ||
| But I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 pounds, which they were like, get the fuck out of here with that. | ||
| So what happens when you show up? | ||
| The day of the fight and you're 20 pounds over. | ||
| What do they do? | ||
| I don't think they do anything yet. | ||
| I think they're recommending you move up. | ||
| So the real problem would be what would happen if Marlon Marais won the title at 135 pounds, which he's world class. | ||
| I mean, that's a real... | ||
| It's certainly a possibility. | ||
| It's not out of the realm of possibility. | ||
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It's not out of the realm. | |
| He's going to be fighting. | ||
| If everything keeps going well for him, the way the Aljamain Sterling knockout was, he's going to wind up fighting for a world title. | ||
| And I think it's a great fight. | ||
| If you win a world title at 135, then you're 135. You won that title? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he made it, right? | ||
| But the UFC and, you know, also the California State Athletic Commission, even Nevada now, they're trying to do something, which I think is important, to do something about these fucking heavyweight clubs. | ||
| We should talk about this fight. | ||
| This fight's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's really good. | ||
| Well, somewhere they were talking about if you missed weight, you weren't allowed to fight at that weight class for your next fight. | ||
| I don't remember where they were talking about doing that, though. | ||
| That's smart, too. | ||
| Yeah, that was a plan I heard from a commissioner. | ||
| That's where you need a George Lockhart or a Dolce or someone who has a wealth of... | ||
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Nice! | |
| Oh, left hook by Choi! | ||
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Woo! | |
| Jeremy Stevens can take it, too. | ||
| That's the thing about Jeremy. | ||
| And he has a tendency to come forward when he's hurt. | ||
| He just wants to throw more. | ||
| He wants to get you back. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's not a recoup-and-figure-it-out kind of guy. | ||
| He wants some payback. | ||
| He's a fucking savage. | ||
| That's why he's so fun. | ||
| He's looking for something, though. | ||
| He gets creative in there, though. | ||
| I mean, he'll... | ||
| Ooh, snappy jab by Choi. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Choi's got some clean technique, man. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| Damn. | ||
| Firefight. | ||
| And good footwork by Choi, too. | ||
| Ooh, he goes to the body. | ||
| Goes to the body with that left hook. | ||
| And he invites him in by keeping the hands just low enough to bait Jeremy Stephens in. | ||
| But he's reading the punches really, really well. | ||
| He keeps tagging that fucking left leg of Stephens. | ||
| That last one was strong. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Ooh, this is a five-rounder too, right? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Must be a main event. | ||
| That's a weird argument, right? | ||
| When they changed the main events to five rounds, not just world title fights, but main events too. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| The more rounds, the better. | ||
| They should have more five-round fights. | ||
| Definitely get you thinking, you'll figure out who the fuck is the best fighter, because oftentimes things start getting weird around the fourth round. | ||
| But fighters make the argument, and I've heard this argument before, like you only have so many five-round fights in your body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when you're using them up on these fights where you're trying to get to a world title, by the time you get there, those fourth and fifth rounds, they're taking a toll on you. | ||
| We could potentially see guys with shorter careers because of that. | ||
| Yeah, and also think about what goes into a camp for a five-round fight. | ||
| I mean, it's five rounds harder for eight weeks, ten weeks, and you're starting to get into, I had this camp for a five-round fight, so the camp itself is harder, too, and you know you only have so many of those in you. | ||
| Yeah, there's no arguing that... | ||
| It's like boxing. | ||
| It used to be 15 rounds. | ||
| And they went, you know, those last three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really a killer. | ||
| Well, I think it was that Duke Kukim. | ||
| That was the fight, right? | ||
| Ray Boom Boom Mancini. | ||
| What a fight that was. | ||
| And that was another weight cut issue. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That was back when they used to make them weigh in the day of the fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ooh, front kick to the face! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Referee committed suicide. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Did he really? | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Which referee was that? | ||
| That I don't remember. | ||
| I don't remember his name, but I know he took his life. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Or he got suicided. | ||
| Oh, Jeremy Stevens with the right knee, left knee. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Shit, throws like you stole something from him. | ||
| Jeremy throws haymakers. | ||
| He tagged him with that right hand. | ||
| Who the fuck is more savage than Jeremy Stevens? | ||
| Not many. | ||
| Oh, switch elbow there. | ||
| Elbow by Choi. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Looked like a jab, then turned it over. | ||
| And a leg kick. | ||
| Strong leg kick by Choi. | ||
| And a lot of people would hesitate at this point to throw that many leg kicks when the guy's got a right hand like that, and he's not hesitating. | ||
| No, he's clearly prepared well to avoid it and to counter, make him pay, and that long, stiff jab of his helps too. | ||
| He's got a little reach advantage as well. | ||
| Jeremy's about, I think Jeremy's five, eight and a half, so he's inch and a half taller. | ||
| Maybe two inches taller. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Oh! | ||
| Beautiful timing with that right hand. | ||
| Snapped his head back. | ||
| Ooh, nice jab, too, there. | ||
| Jeremy. | ||
| Jeremy getting that timing down. | ||
| Choi's taking it well, though. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Well, he took it well in that Cub Swanson fight. | ||
| He took a hard leg kick there, too. | ||
| Now he's... | ||
| Tide's starting to turn a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, he's walking him down. | ||
| He's walking him down, switching legs, and looking for those big shots. | ||
| Throwing some off-speed punches to close the distance. | ||
| I think a couple of check lefts would be good for him. | ||
| Troy's coming in, once again, with that head straight up. | ||
| But Stevens just loves walking forward, man. | ||
| But he's such a fucking animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he just loves these firefights. | ||
| The opportunity to test who's the tougher guy. | ||
| And especially at 145, it's just... | ||
| Oh! | ||
| He tagged him! | ||
| Right hand! | ||
| Might be it. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| Good leaping shot. | ||
| Staying with the left hand. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Done. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| What a fucking right hand. | ||
| He is an animal. | ||
| Oh, he just broke that guy's back. | ||
| That guy's dead. | ||
| Oh, that guy's fucked. | ||
| Who is that guy? | ||
| Probably his dad. | ||
| Oh, that's beautiful. | ||
| He's playing it off. | ||
| Oh man, that's beautiful. | ||
| What a fight, too, huh? | ||
| But as soon as that tide turned, as soon as he felt like I can walk through these punches, it was over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking animal. | ||
| Guy's a savage. | ||
| He's such a savage. | ||
| Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| Great stuff, man. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
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Whoo! | |
| And he could do that to anybody. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| He takes it so well, and that attitude that he's got, that fucking ferocious attitude. | ||
| Now, here's what's real impressive. | ||
| You think about Choi's war with Cub Swanson, and you think Jeremy Stevens just smashed him inside of two. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He got front kicked in the face. | ||
| It was almost like a crescent kick. | ||
| Took him on the side. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Right hand. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Snapped him back with that one. | ||
| That was the beginning of the end. | ||
| That was the head snapper. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| And that one over the top. | ||
| He caught him right on the temple. | ||
| And his legs going, boom! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That's the one right there. | ||
| That's the big one. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Good stuff, man. | ||
| It's a good fucking fight. | ||
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Well, boys. | |
| Steven's always going to be that guy, dude. | ||
| Dude, that leg toss, big over right hand. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| King Mo Seth Petruzzelli. | ||
| Do you see that one? | ||
| He cleared his legs and bombed him and out. | ||
| I mean, eyes wide shut. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Now, he fought Max Holloway, correct? | ||
| Steven's? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I feel like Max Holloway beat him in a clear decision. | ||
| See if you can pull that up. | ||
| I think Max Holloway beat him on the way up to the title. | ||
| You know, it was a good fight, too, for Holloway. | ||
| He really avoided all of Jeremy Stevens stuff. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Max Holloway. | ||
| Max Holloway. | ||
| Decision unanimous. | ||
| Three rounds. | ||
| But that was in 2015. Three years ago. | ||
| To December of 2015. Interesting. | ||
| You gotta think, with a KO like that, he's like one, maybe two fights outside of another possible shot, or a possible shot at max, now that max has the title. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that a lot. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| But once again, always fun to watch. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| You always watch him. | ||
| You always watch him. | ||
| So much fun. | ||
| So, next week is the big world title fight in the heavyweight division. | ||
| What does the undercard look like, Jamie? | ||
| Pull up the full undercard. | ||
| For Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic. | ||
| I think this is like the most important heavyweight title fight that I can remember. | ||
| I don't remember a heavyweight title fight that people are... | ||
| Biggest one in a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because once again, Stipe has a history side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has the, I can be the greatest of all time, or up amongst them. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| Yeah, and if he could turn back Francis... | ||
| Then Nagano's so scary, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the last time I think I was this interested in a fight was Junior Dos Santos versus Kane 1. What do you do with the lighter? | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| Yeah, here we go. | ||
| So we got Stipe versus Francis at the main event. | ||
| Oh, Daniel Cormier versus Volkan Ozdemir. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Because Volkan, he got a quick ride to the title. | ||
| You know, I mean, he beats OSP in a real close decision, knocks out Sarkunov, then knocks out Jimmy Manawa, when everybody's like, holy shit. | ||
| Three fights in, and then boom, next fight he's fighting Cormier. | ||
| Just the way he was able to knock out Manawa and Sarkunov, people are like, listen, let's see it. | ||
| And also, I mean, it's a division where there was room for that new guy. | ||
| And he was, you know, the right guy. | ||
| We've seen it a million times, the right guy at the right time. | ||
| Right guy at the right time, and by all accounts, in the gym. | ||
| he was one of the only guys that was sparring with Rumble on a daily basis. | ||
| He was Rumble's main guy. | ||
| That says a lot. | ||
| Oh, yes, it does. | ||
| Rumble's talking about coming back as a heavyweight. | ||
| Check out the shot right here. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They didn't show it. | ||
| It was before. | ||
| Yeah, the one big one. | ||
| The leg toss. | ||
| They showed the big shot, but they didn't show it set it up. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That was nice. | ||
| Yeah, and then the big one is he throws it to the side. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| One more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stands up, chucks him to the side. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Ah! | |
| Just because they know you're talking. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He threw him the left leg, or his left arm on the right leg. | ||
| Fuck yeah, man. | ||
| I feel like he's at the top of the heap now. | ||
| So who else we got here? | ||
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Interesting. | |
| The big fights, the two big fights, obviously. | ||
| The light heavyweight title and the heavyweight title, which is really rare that you have. | ||
| I'm so out of the mix with the UFC. Most of that card, I don't know any of those fighters. | ||
| The bottom half of that main card, I know Thomas Almeida. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many guys, man. | ||
| Rob Font and Thomas Almeda is a good fighter. | ||
| Yeah, I'm asking him again. | ||
| That's very interesting. | ||
| Rob Font's a Boston guy, too. | ||
| He's one of Delegrate's guys. | ||
| That should be a lot of fun. | ||
| So, Jimmy Smith, when's the first time they have you working? | ||
| Well, I'm doing the pre and post for 220. Okay, so you're in the Fox desk. | ||
| In California? | ||
| Yeah, in California here at Fox, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then they've offered me a couple, and I've accepted them, but they haven't announced it yet, so I don't know if it's official yet. | ||
| But soon, soon is the best way to put it. | ||
| Color. | ||
| I'm assuming they just trust you. | ||
| You don't have to do any bullshit like test shows or anything like that. | ||
| Not that I'm aware of. | ||
| I've heard of guys doing test shows. | ||
| They try people out and shit. | ||
| Not that I'm aware of, no. | ||
| Obviously, you know what the fuck you're doing. | ||
| I would imagine that the real hard gig has got to be finding one of them play-by-play guys that doesn't annoy the shit out of you. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| No, seriously. | ||
| That's a real job, right? | ||
| Color's easy. | ||
| Doing play-by-play, that's a real job. | ||
| That's like being a news anchor. | ||
| But the difference between color and play-by-play is we're specific to a particular sport. | ||
| We can call grappling and combat sports and whatever. | ||
| Play-by-play guys do... | ||
| I'll do basketball one week, and then hockey, and then this, and then that. | ||
| It's a job. | ||
| It's a job, but there are a lot more of them. | ||
| You can go, okay, he's good at basketball and soccer. | ||
| You can see a body of work before they jump in. | ||
| A lot of times it's, we need a guy who knows a sport, and there are only so many. | ||
| They can talk. | ||
| Yeah, it's a very different job, very different skill set. | ||
| But people get real angry if you don't know MMA. If you're like a play-by-play guy, and you say some goofy shit, and you don't really know the sport. | ||
| The hardcore MMA fans get mad. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| They get mad and they don't forgive you either. | ||
| If they don't think you really know the sport or really love the sport, those two things are critical. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have to really know it and really love it. | ||
| Otherwise, they're like, fuck you. | ||
| People hated me when I commentated for King of the Cage. | ||
| Every show I had to say something stupid. | ||
| Every show I had to say something stupid. | ||
| There it is, Eddie. | ||
| He just did it. | ||
| They just showed it. | ||
| They just showed the big Jeremy Stevens haymaker. | ||
| I sucked. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That was terrible. | ||
| You know what you were really good at? | ||
| You were really good as the guy in between the rounds that was explaining who won the fight. | ||
| You and I, people don't even remember this, but... | ||
| We worked together. | ||
| It would be Goldberg and me, and then for a bunch of cards, you would be beside us scoring the scorecard guy. | ||
| But Eddie had a real system. | ||
| We talked about it, and I was like, how are you doing this? | ||
| And he had a really well thought out system, where he had a line down a piece of paper, and he had a bunch of categories. | ||
| And he had all these different things, whether it was takedowns, and so he marked all these things on top of watching the fight, He wanted to know, be able to look down on it. | ||
| Like, oh, he landed all these right hands. | ||
| Yeah, I could look at the end of the fight. | ||
| They go to me. | ||
| I have to talk about what happened in the first. | ||
| I gave him the second, because remember that second, he had two takedowns. | ||
| But if I didn't write it down, I would forget. | ||
| So as I'm waiting to go on, I'm reviewing that first round. | ||
| It's a lot easier to see what actually happened, because you forget. | ||
| Or anyways, I do. | ||
| I would forget unless I wrote it down. | ||
| The funniest thing to me, or the most frustrating thing to me, is they wanted me to do scorecards, kind of like an unofficial scorecard, you know, whatever, just like you did, and I would do it, and every time, I never wrote down a number without explaining what I was talking about. | ||
| I gave it 10-9, it's a close round, but I gave it because of this, this, and this, and people would always act like you just threw out a fucking number without saying anything. | ||
| What was he thinking? | ||
| I said what I was thinking. | ||
| I never just wrote down 9-10. | ||
| I always said, and here's why. | ||
| You may disagree, but here's my logic behind what I'm saying. | ||
| You can disagree with me, fine. | ||
| But the people that act like I just write down a number without explaining, it's insane. | ||
| I'm so not going to miss that. | ||
| Yeah, commentators get crucified. | ||
| When I did post-fight interviews once, I said congratulations to Randy Couture. | ||
| I said, congratulations, Chuck. | ||
| And I didn't realize I said that when I walked out of the octagon, who was it? | ||
| Joe Silva goes, dude, you said congratulations, Chuck. | ||
| I said, what? | ||
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What? | |
| Oh my God, I'm going to get fired. | ||
| I thought I was going to get fired right there. | ||
| And I went up to Joe and I said, dude, did I say congratulations, Chuck? | ||
| He goes, you go, yes. | ||
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I'm like, oh no, this is my last show. | |
| I totally thought I was getting fired. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I can talk about this because we joke about it. | ||
| We joked about it in Bellator. | ||
| But Jen Brown one time we were in... | ||
| And it was a live piece. | ||
| It was just to the house. | ||
| So it didn't go out on air or anything. | ||
| It was just for the house. | ||
| Jen Brown football? | ||
| Jen Brown? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Jen Brown. | ||
| Jen Brown does stand-up stuff for Bellator. | ||
| We were in Thackville, Oklahoma. | ||
| And she said, we had been in Kansas the week before. | ||
| And she goes, hey, Kansas! | ||
| And the place... | ||
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No! | |
| And she goes, she turns to one of our producers, she goes, oh, you know, they really didn't react much. | ||
| And the guy goes, you said Kansas, we're in Oklahoma. | ||
| And so we laugh about that. | ||
| We always joke about it. | ||
| I love Jen, but like, yeah, for weeks it was, what state are we in, Jen? | ||
| We just meant forever. | ||
| But it was just an in-house piece. | ||
| It didn't go out on TV or anything. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| Oh, that's lucky. | ||
| But now everybody knows. | ||
| Yeah, we've all done. | ||
| Everybody knows that she messed up. | ||
| It was on the underground. | ||
| People were talking shit. | ||
| I've called over a thousand fights. | ||
| I've fucked up a bunch of times. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| The human brain just doesn't work perfect. | ||
| You make mistakes. | ||
| Sometimes, what drives me crazy is I have a very good recall for fights and for scenarios and positions that people have been in and ways guys won, but occasionally there'll be a guy, and I can't remember his fucking name. | ||
| And it's like weird. | ||
| But it's a guy that I've seen fight, like Jorge Masvidal or someone like that, that I've seen fight a hundred times. | ||
| Like, how the fuck do I... Why isn't that one coming out? | ||
| It's like the brain is just not a perfect vehicle. | ||
| It just doesn't always work right. | ||
| It's like a Range Rover. | ||
| They look beautiful, but Range Rovers work most of the time. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, I have a friend who has a Range Rover, and I asked him. | ||
| I said, hey... | ||
| Do you like that car? | ||
| He's like, yeah, but this is my second one. | ||
| My last one was a lemon. | ||
| I fucking knew it! | ||
| And he's like, but it's a great car. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| When it drives, it's amazing. | ||
| That's like how a brain is. | ||
| It's just not always good. | ||
| So you saying, congratulations, Chuck, and then leaving, and you're like, ah! | ||
| How did I do that? | ||
| I'll watch fights. | ||
| Not necessarily yours, of course, but I'll watch somebody calling a fight and I'll know when they spaced on the name. | ||
| They'll start going, you know that pause. | ||
| When you're watching, you go, he spaced on his name, dude. | ||
| And sometimes it'll be basketball, football, whatever, but I'll go... | ||
| I'll know as a broadcaster. | ||
| I'm like, he spaced, he looked at his notes, and he got the name back, but he spaced on the fucking name. | ||
| And it happens, man. | ||
| 100% possible. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| My big fear is that I'm going to be interviewing a fighter after a fight, and then I can't remember their name when I congratulate them. | ||
| The biggest fear, bro. | ||
| No, that's not just you, dude. | ||
| That's mine, too. | ||
| Before I go out there, I will write it. | ||
| Like, if it's a dude I've never seen fight before, like maybe one by first-round knockout, I've never seen him fight before. | ||
| I'm like, oh shit, who is this guy? | ||
| He might have come from, you know, CFA or something like that. | ||
| I'll write his name down. | ||
| I'll read it. | ||
| I'll say it back. | ||
| I'll repeat. | ||
| You might see me walking to the stage, to the cage, and I got my earpiece in, and I'm saying, you know, I'm saying his name. | ||
| I don't want to fuck it up. | ||
| You are not alone, though, dude. | ||
| That fear is huge. | ||
| Because you're thinking about the question, too. | ||
| Because you're thinking about what to ask them. | ||
| And were we on air when we were saying this? | ||
| We were talking about interviewing fighters is literally the hardest part of the job. | ||
| Yeah, the post fight interviews are the hardest part of the job. | ||
| Because you don't have time to prepare for it. | ||
| And then you have time to ask him one, maybe two questions. | ||
| Everyone has their own question in their own head that they want to ask. | ||
| And if you don't come up with something entertaining or creative... | ||
| People talk shit on you. | ||
| It's also very important, this is what I tell people that are just trying it out for the first time, and then any young people that are thinking about getting an MMA commentary, you're not the show. | ||
| Like, you are just trying to extract information out of this person. | ||
| Like, your question should be just to lead them. | ||
| I try to have as little personality in those things as possible. | ||
| I'm just trying to just give you the platform. | ||
| I'm just trying to give you maybe a path to take your answer. | ||
| I saw some beautiful things happen in the fight. | ||
| I want you to express what happened in your mind. | ||
| Or maybe there's some adversity that you had to go through. | ||
| I want to know how bad it was. | ||
| But I don't want to be there. | ||
| I'm just the guy that has to say those words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hated post-fight interviews. | ||
| I never enjoyed that shit. | ||
| The flip side of that, though, that I've run into personally over doing it, too, is if your question isn't a, you know, hey, great performance tonight, man. | ||
| If it's too open in, a lot of times they go, yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you don't ask them something a little specific, they'll just kind of go, yeah. | ||
| They're kind of tired, they're out of breath. | ||
| Yeah, so it's that you want them to go wherever they want to go, but also if you don't ask something specific enough, sometimes they'll go, yeah, it was. | ||
| How shitty are those post-fight interviews? | ||
| Depending on who the person was, yeah. | ||
| With a translator? | ||
| Oh, those are rough. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta go back and forth. | ||
| But honestly, sometimes that gives you more time. | ||
| I always try to talk slow and give them something. | ||
| I try to simplify what I'm saying. | ||
| But even then, sometimes I still fuck that up. | ||
| It's one of the weirder jobs. | ||
| Yeah, I never liked it. | ||
| I never liked that at all. | ||
| I never really liked commentating either. | ||
| I tried to get DC when DC was doing it, because DC was doing a few of them, like we were doing it. | ||
| And I go, oh, that's your job now, bro. | ||
| He's like, fuck that! | ||
| You're doing that, Joe Rogan! | ||
| Get in there! | ||
| I go, no, no, no, man. | ||
| You're doing a good job. | ||
| I like sitting here. | ||
| I'm just going to sit back. | ||
| He's like, fuck that! | ||
| Because he was doing the Fight Pass prelim ones. | ||
| Unless you're in the industry, you'd be surprised at how many people don't realize that there's a play-by-play guy and a color. | ||
| They just see two dudes talking. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I was a grown-ass man. | ||
| When I first got offered the job for King of the Cage, I didn't know the difference. | ||
| I just thought, yeah, there's two dudes, two old dudes talking, and they're just chit-chatting. | ||
| I didn't see the system and the art, really. | ||
| You know, there's a problem, though. | ||
| The problem in MMA is that the color guy is the martial arts expert. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the way it is in football. | ||
| But the play-by-play guy... | ||
| He's just the news guy. | ||
| He's just the guy. | ||
| But the play-by-play guy in sports is kind of calling what's happening as well. | ||
| He's saying, you know, they're moving the ball, they're doing this, they're going this. | ||
| Disformation is kind of... | ||
| But when you're calling a fight, especially when the fight goes to the ground, that play-by-play guy is not really saying anything. | ||
| Yeah, he could say he's in the mount, in the mount, taking big shots in the mount. | ||
| You don't have to be an expert to know that. | ||
| A little bit, but he's basically, he's like, when Goldie and I had a great rhythm, because Goldie kind of laid off, especially when it would go to the ground, he would lay off, and he would just sort of like, you know, he would set me up, like he'd say, and he moves into the mount position, or he would say, you know, something like that, and then he would just lay it up for me, and then I would elaborate on the progression of techniques and where they were at. | ||
| Yeah, he's supposed to do that. | ||
| That's the hardest motherfucking job ever. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| So I get this job, Bud Brutzman, he takes over the production part of King of the Cage, and he wants to use me as a commentator, because the producer and I went to John Jock Machado Academy. | ||
| He knew me as the MMA fanatic guy, and he asked me if I wanted to commentate. | ||
| And I said, yeah, fuck, I'll try it. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| Shit, those first King of the Cages, he didn't know there was a difference between a play-by-play and a colored guy. | ||
| The producer didn't know the difference, because once I started really listening to the broadcast and the UFC, I started listening to the opening and how they open shit. | ||
| I go, oh, there's two jobs here. | ||
| This guy is just a news telecaster, and this other guy is the expert. | ||
| Didn't even really realize it. | ||
| I thought they were both experts. | ||
| They're just talking. | ||
| I thought there were two dudes just talking. | ||
| Totally different jobs, man. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Once I realized that, I talked to Bud. | ||
| I said, hey, listen, there's two jobs going on here. | ||
| I don't want to be the play-by-play guy. | ||
| I want to be the color guy. | ||
| He said, do both. | ||
| You're going to do both. | ||
| I go... | ||
| All sports don't have guys that do both. | ||
| You have a color guy and you have a play-by-play guy. | ||
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You explain that to the producer? | |
| Just to the producer. | ||
| To the producer. | ||
| Okay, I just want to confirm. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| He'd never done sports before, so he didn't understand. | ||
| He just said, dude, you're going to do both. | ||
| Both of you. | ||
| Me and Don the Dragon Wilson. | ||
| We were both just in there. | ||
| Don the Dragon. | ||
| We were both just in there winging it. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
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What's Don the Dragon Wilson up to these days? | |
| I have no idea. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But those are some of the worst shows ever for commentary. | ||
| You own it so hard, dude. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| And then you did some shit for Pride, too. | ||
| People forget about that. | ||
| Pride 10! | ||
| Pride 10 with Henzo and Sakuraba when Henzo got his arm broken. | ||
| Guy Metzger got headbutted by Vanderlei Silva. | ||
| You were saying that Sakuraba was never going to submit Henzo. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That was one of the biggest blunders ever. | ||
| Sakuraba has the Kimura grip in and they're standing. | ||
| And I said, I'm in the commentary. | ||
| I said, that may work at his gym, but that's Henzo Gracie. | ||
| It's never going to work on him. | ||
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And then, boom, he breaks his arm. | |
| On cue. | ||
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There was a guy, Ed West. | |
| Ed Wild West was fighting and he had never knocked anybody out. | ||
| Really good striker, but you know, pitter-pat kind of striker. | ||
| And I literally said, man, Ed's landing great, but not a knockout guy. | ||
| And he instantly knocks him out. | ||
| First one of his career right there, right in front of me. | ||
| I'm like, he did that just to make me fucking look stupid. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| That's when it happens, man. | ||
| The job, man. | ||
| It's almost like the universe is punishing you for hubris. | ||
| Like you're pretending you know more than you do. | ||
| Just shut the fuck up. | ||
| Say, it looks good. | ||
| It's deep. | ||
| Yeah, seriously, you get in that habit of going, he probably will, but you don't know. | ||
| There was this one fight, Fernando Vasconcelos fought this one guy and he schooled him. | ||
| Oh, dude, I forgot about Vasconcelos. | ||
| He's like one of the great guys that never really did it. | ||
| Fuck Carl Priesian in King of the Cage, remember that? | ||
| Fuck, he was good. | ||
| Carl fucked him up, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, Carl won that fight. | ||
| In a fight that he won, because he won, I think, two straight. | ||
| He had good hands, and he wrestled. | ||
| He had a guy, he passed a guy's guard and had him in north-south. | ||
| And I said, this position is called, some people call it north-south. | ||
| But if you look in old judo books, it's actually called the teabag. | ||
| And then I just kept going and donned the dragon. | ||
| I never stopped there. | ||
| And I would just throw those in. | ||
| That's how we're talking about it. | ||
| You're just having fun. | ||
| Well, you didn't take it seriously. | ||
| And Bud loved it. | ||
|
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No! | |
| Terry Tribalcock, the owner, hated it. | ||
|
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He hated it, but Bud loved it. | |
| The producer loved it. | ||
| Every now and then, I would say some crazy wild shit, but Terry hated it. | ||
| And the director. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Terry loved it. | ||
| What am I saying? | ||
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The director, Steve, he hated it. | |
| He was begging me to stop. | ||
| Because I wasn't being professional. | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't being professional. | ||
| But the owner didn't care. | ||
| He loved it. | ||
| So anyways, I sucked regardless, but I'm a retard. | ||
| We're all in the right spot. | ||
| We're all where we want to be. | ||
| I'm not born to commentate. | ||
| That's not my thing. | ||
| Now when people offer me jobs, I'm like, I don't want to commentate. | ||
| I want to just enjoy the fight and just watch. | ||
| Dude, that's what literally when I said to Dana when he forced me into doing it. | ||
| Don't you remember when you and I used to get free tickets? | ||
| I don't want to work it. | ||
| I want to watch it and just relax. | ||
| I started doing commentary because I would get free tickets from the UFC. This was like when the UFC first started going to Vegas. | ||
| And Eddie and I were like, dude... | ||
| UFC's in Vegas. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| We gotta go. | ||
| And Dana White somehow or another found out that I was a fan. | ||
| So he started sending me. | ||
| He's like, hey, we'll fly you out. | ||
| We'll give you free tickets. | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah. | ||
| And so we started going and hanging out with him. | ||
| And I started doing commentary because when we'd hang out, I'd be like, have you ever seen Sakurai? | ||
| Do you watch Pride? | ||
| What do you watch overseas? | ||
| Have you seen any of the Shudo fights? | ||
| I'm like, you gotta see this guy. | ||
| And I'd start telling him about this guy and that guy. | ||
| Shudo was my favorite, man. | ||
| Yeah, oh. | ||
| Oh man! | ||
| Oh yeah! | ||
| Amazing, amazing fights. | ||
| So I started talking about all these crazy fights that he had never heard of. | ||
| And he's like, do you want to do commentary? | ||
| And the next thing you know, I was like, oh, I don't want to do that. | ||
| I don't want to work. | ||
| And then boom. | ||
| I did the first 18 shows for free. | ||
| I was sitting alone for a couple shows. | ||
| I was just all... | ||
| All by myself, VIP front row. | ||
| I didn't come here to be by myself. | ||
| We saw some classic shit, though. | ||
| If you think about the history of the sport, the history of boxing is an amazing history, right? | ||
| But boxing from 1994 and boxing from 2017-18 is not... | ||
| Incredibly different. | ||
| I think in all sports, the fighters get better and better, but you're talking about Mike Tyson, Vander Holyfield, and then you look at what we got today for heavyweight, it's arguably as good if not better back then, right? | ||
| But not in MMA. We've seen giant leaps and changes in the sport. | ||
| I was telling somebody, I said, Jack Johnson has more in common with a modern heavyweight than a mixed martial artist does with a mixed martial artist in the late 90s. | ||
| You're 100% right. | ||
| By a lot. | ||
| You're 100% right. | ||
| By a lot. | ||
| Jack Johnson might be able to beat a lot of modern day heavyweights. | ||
| If you took him in his prime and taught him some stuff, he can compete. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You take Hugo Duarte. | ||
| Even if you didn't teach him anything. | ||
| If you put him in there against some, you know, top 30 heavyweight that, you know, nobody knows, guys are like not that athletic, not that good, kind of okay, he'll fuck a lot of people up. | ||
| And then he would start making his way through the ranks. | ||
| My favorite Jack Johnson story of all time, he gets pulled over for speeding. | ||
| The cop says, you're speeding, it's 50 bucks. | ||
| He gives him 100 bucks. | ||
| He goes, I'm gonna be coming back the same way in about an hour. | ||
| Just take a hundred. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Because I'm going to be speeding again. | ||
| Bitch! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And I'm going to be fucking a lot of white chicks. | ||
| Unforgivable blackness. | ||
| If you haven't seen that documentary, it's amazing. | ||
| It's an incredible documentary. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, he's one of the best Roots of Fight shirts. | ||
| The Galveston giant. | ||
| It's Roots of Fight shirts with him with his wingspan on the front of the shirt. | ||
| I used to box with a guy when I had a gym and he was our boxing guy. | ||
| He had the history of the heavyweight title memorized. | ||
| So you give him any year and he would tell you who the heavyweight champion was at that time. | ||
| He's one of those guys. | ||
| I had to memorize every president. | ||
| For what? | ||
| In order. | ||
| When I was a history major. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| It's the kind of thing you just never let go. | ||
| Once you have to do it, you're screwed. | ||
| Right, you don't want to unlearn that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you can once you're stuck. | ||
| MMA in the 90s was fucking way different than this time. | ||
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That's one way to put it. | |
| No internet. | ||
| No internet. | ||
| The UFC was huge and there was no fucking internet. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And the first taste of MMA, you know, to get any kind of fights, you know, like Brazilian fights, you had to go to these specialty video stores, like, you know, Japanese stores where you rent taped TV shows. | ||
| Still had the commercials in them, dude. | ||
| Still had the commercials in them. | ||
| And on TV from Japan. | ||
| There's a place in Little Tokyo where I used to go. | ||
| Little Tokyo here in LA. And when I was in college, when I was at UCLA, I started doing jujitsu. | ||
| And I used to go in there and the guy didn't speak English. | ||
| And I went to the front and I'm trying to explain to him what I'm looking for. | ||
| Because I knew I had to go to like a Japanese store. | ||
| And I literally said... | ||
| I said all these things he didn't understand me. | ||
| And I said... | ||
| Looked at him, I said, Rumanosato. | ||
| And he goes, Oh, Rumanosato, ne? | ||
| And he points to this wall, and it's just covered, covered in chuto and pride and pancreas, and then recorded off TV. And I went in there, like, every two days to get three more until I just knew all of them. | ||
| Because you couldn't find them anywhere. | ||
| I had to go to Little Tokyo. | ||
| The card for the video store was in Japanese. | ||
| I couldn't read it. | ||
| There was the Brazilian scene. | ||
| Federico LaPenda and Sergio Bartorelli. | ||
| Those are the two promoters in Brazil. | ||
| Sergio Bartorelli and Federico LaPenda were the two Dana Whites down in Brazil in the 90s, before the internet. | ||
| And I remember my first taste of MMA news on the internet was that Todd White, my training partner, we're both purple belts, he was a cartoonist at Nickelodeon. | ||
| And at Nickelodeon, they had the internet there. | ||
| So when everyone was gone during lunch, dude, we would do drills at Nickelodeon in their gym. | ||
| They had an awesome gym. | ||
| I would drive down there and he would take his lunch in the gym and we would do jujitsu. | ||
| And then if there was like five or ten minutes left over, we would sneak into the offices and go into the internet, dude. | ||
| And all I wanted to see was the Abu Dhabi Combat Club. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| That was one of the first news. | ||
| That was the only place, really, that you were getting news from these Brazilian shows. | ||
| That was a website for MMA, yeah. | ||
| Dude, MMA in the 90s was alive and well. | ||
| You know, there was a big, hardcore movement, but there was no internet. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| We were talking about last time. | ||
| Weighing in on a bathroom scale in Soboba out in the desert somewhere. | ||
| You just wanted to do it. | ||
| You wanted to be part of it. | ||
| It's hard to understand. | ||
| I got paid 150 bucks for my first fight or something. | ||
| Well first of all, I didn't get paid. | ||
| Neutral Grounds. | ||
| I fought at that. | ||
| Neutral Grounds in San Pedro, bro. | ||
| That was my first fight, man. | ||
| Who'd you fight? | ||
| I fought somebody from Submission Factory, Larry Landless' old camp. | ||
| Larry Landless? | ||
| My coach was Fabiana Ija. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| He called me and he goes, it was Friday, and he goes, what are you doing Sunday? | ||
| And I went, nothing. | ||
| And he goes, you want to fight? | ||
| We're fighting in the back of, it was like in the back of a club somewhere, and they had set up a really, actually, really big cage. | ||
| And I went, yeah, sure. | ||
| And they lined us up against the wall, and I was next to this dude, and they went, you're about the same size, you and him. | ||
| Like, they literally lined us up, and I was like, how big you were? | ||
| Because they didn't have scale or anything. | ||
| And they go, you and this dude. | ||
| And I went, okay. | ||
| And I was the 13th fight out of 13 fights. | ||
| And I got in there, and they said... | ||
| All right, it's two five-minute rounds, because the rounds were all weird back then. | ||
| People don't remember. | ||
| It was like three three-minute rounds, two five-minute rounds, or whatever. | ||
| You know, King and Cage a lot of times was two five-minute rounds. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| So I get in there, and I remember thinking to myself, I didn't train for this. | ||
| I've been doing jiu-jitsu nine months. | ||
| So I'm just going to give it everything I have for the first five minutes. | ||
| Because I don't think I have any more of that. | ||
| And I wonder what I'm going to do. | ||
| And the bell went off. | ||
| The dude fucking sprinted at me. | ||
| And I hit him and knocked him down. | ||
| And I got him in Fabiano's Farsight Harmbar, bro. | ||
| In 29 seconds. | ||
| And that was my first fight. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| Fabiano Ehead was my first coach. | ||
| He was one of the famous armbar guys. | ||
| Really good armbar. | ||
| Really good armbar, man. | ||
| He was a Brazilian hopeful. | ||
| Like, after Hoyce, all Americans that were into jiu-jitsu, we liked the Brazilians more than Americans. | ||
| If we were training jiu-jitsu and we were white, we would be on the Brazilian side in any MMA fight. | ||
| Because you find out real quick that style is thicker than blood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you don't care. | ||
| Especially back then. | ||
| Yes, nationality. | ||
| How about when Minotauro beat Bob Sat... | ||
| You alright? | ||
| Your knee go out? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| The knee popped out. | ||
| Eddie Bavo has what I believe is probably a bucket-handled tear of his meniscus, and his meniscus will pop out, and it locks. | ||
| Want me to get you some ice, man? | ||
| Straighten it out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let me know if you need anything. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Do you pull on it to get it back? | ||
| I'm not asking him questions, but I'm asking him questions. | ||
| It didn't go back. | ||
| It didn't go back. | ||
| He's in some pain. | ||
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Oof. | |
| It's real life, folks. | ||
| In February, Eddie is supposed to get a knee surgery to fix his knee. | ||
| You ever have any knee surgeries? | ||
| Jimmy? | ||
| None. | ||
| None? | ||
| Knock on wood. | ||
| Oh, you're lucky. | ||
| Very, very lucky. | ||
| Add three. | ||
| Hernia surgery is the only surgery I've ever had. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| He had that. | ||
| I'm very, very lucky. | ||
| Eddie had that. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You're back. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So is it pop back in place? | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Ooh. | ||
| That looked really painful from where I was sitting. | ||
| I'm good now. | ||
| It's back. | ||
| You're good? | ||
| It's back. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's like the seventh time it's happened. | ||
| You ever seen this video? | ||
| I had my leg up like this. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| Can you pause this and rewind this back? | ||
| I want to play this video for you guys. | ||
| Because I call this video the thirsty white people video. | ||
| Like, back this up. | ||
| This is one of them testosterone videos. | ||
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Frank Thomas commercial. | |
| Give me some volume. | ||
| No, take it from the beginning. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| And, yeah, and give me some volume. | ||
| Like, pause it for a second. | ||
| Okay, now give me some volume so we can all hear it. | ||
| This is the thirstiest white people video ever. | ||
| These white people are gawking about, what's the gentleman's name? | ||
|
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Frank Thomas. | |
| Frank Thomas, who's a big-ass football player. | ||
| He's a baseball player. | ||
| Whatever the fuck he is. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| He had a ball. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Big-ass professional athlete, but happens to be an African-American. | ||
| Listen to how thirsty these white people sound when they're talking about him. | ||
| him. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Play it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Do it again so people can hear because you got it That better be her brother. | ||
| If that's her husband. | ||
| Hold on, turn it louder. | ||
|
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Now listen to this part. | |
| So what's your secret? | ||
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I wish my husband did. | |
| I wish my husband did. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I take nugenics. | ||
| I wish my husband did. | ||
| She's standing right next to him just begging for the death. | ||
| That's a crazy commercial. | ||
| That dude is like, that's funny. | ||
| Oh, that's her gay friend. | ||
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No! | |
| She said, or hunk. | ||
| She said, or hunk. | ||
| No, that's her husband. | ||
| She's making him feel like shit. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| And this guy's bench pressing and shit and throwing dick at all the white chicks in the gym. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
| How does he not? | ||
| How does he say no? | ||
| They're literally backing their pussy up into a catapult and launching it at them. | ||
| I wish my husband did, but he doesn't. | ||
| Look, it says smash! | ||
| See that in the text? | ||
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Damn. | |
| The text message? | ||
| It says smash. | ||
| They're talking about smashing pussy. | ||
| That's what dudes say when they say, what happened? | ||
| Oh, I smashed it. | ||
| That's what they're saying. | ||
| It says that in the thing. | ||
| It says smash. | ||
| What are you smashing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddammit, that's a thirsty white people commercial. | ||
| Do you want this stuff now? | ||
| That's just what I'm curious about. | ||
| Did it work? | ||
| Is it effective? | ||
| I mean, it might work. | ||
| Probably bullshit. | ||
| But what's not bullshit is the love that those white people have for that black athlete. | ||
| Yeah, that was a crazy commercial. | ||
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That's a crazy commercial! | |
| Whoa. | ||
| More like a honk. | ||
| She's calling him a honk in front of her husband, and then the other lady is saying, I wish my husband did. | ||
| Like, whoa! | ||
| Slow down, thirsty white people. | ||
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Slow the fuck down. | |
| Well, it's a replay of your boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mech and Kamaru Usman. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Oh, see right there? | ||
| That spinning backfist? | ||
| He got tagged. | ||
| Showed some good goddamn wrestling, though. | ||
| And all entertaining fights, too. | ||
| It was a good card all around. | ||
| Yeah, it was a very good card. | ||
| Very good card. | ||
| Very good card. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I'm so curious about next weekend. | ||
| I mean, that's only six days away from today. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I'm so curious. | ||
| What do you think about the switch? | ||
| You guys were talking about the wrestling move, the switch. | ||
| Yeah, the switch. | ||
| How important do you think that is to train in MMA? God, it's huge. | ||
| I think it's important to know for sure. | ||
| It's just one of many components, but it seems like an important move. | ||
| You'd think you'd see it more. | ||
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Right. | |
| Wrestlers do it all the time. | ||
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Wrestlers do it all the time. | |
| But in MMA, I know it's a wrestling move, but in MMA, you'd think you'd see it more. | ||
| You'd see it once every four years. | ||
| Actually executed all the way through. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| You don't see it that often. | ||
| I didn't see it at all until a few years ago. | ||
| It was like wrestlers just started doing it. | ||
| Yeah, like you'd think you'd see it all the goddamn time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good move. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| So, I just, you know, it's in our warm-ups and everything. | ||
| I just wanted your opinion. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is it necessary? | ||
| You never see it in MMA. I think so. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| It's gotta be, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I teach these guys all the time. | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| Personally, I think it's a good move. | ||
| Kamaru Usman talking mad shit. | ||
| I wish I could have heard what he said. | ||
| Paul Felder with a beautiful pocket square and a nice watch. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Handsome devil. | ||
| That's a nice suit. | ||
| Looks good. | ||
| It's a big watch. | ||
| Can you wear it again though? | ||
| Can you wear it again? | ||
| You can wear the suit again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As in... | ||
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Nobody. | |
| They're all afraid to fight me. | ||
| Because Bruce Buffer has a different outfit every show. | ||
| He doesn't wear the same one twice. | ||
| Well, let me just tell you, David August makes all the suits for the commentary team on the UFC. He makes my suits, and he tailors them to you perfectly. | ||
| See that one that's on Paul? | ||
| Or if you see the ones on me, I'm a slob, man. | ||
| I would never have bought those suits on my own. | ||
| I'm too stupid. | ||
| They had to bring somebody in. | ||
| But since then, I had to make me some stuff in my personal life. | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| Yeah, I hired him to make, damn, Darren Tell is number seven? | ||
| One fight with Cowboy and he's number seven above Neil Magny, which is crazy. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| But yeah, so the UFC makes you a few suits. | ||
| I got a couple different color suits. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| I like three or four different ones. | ||
| So they don't allow that black shirt anymore? | ||
| Well, I have black shirts, but now I have like real clothes. | ||
| Real black shirts. | ||
| Expensive black shirts. | ||
| Like an adult. | ||
| I never wear black shirts. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I get so much shit. | ||
| Every time... | ||
| I told somebody, I threw away, I had black shirts because they go with everything. | ||
| I fucking threw all them away. | ||
| People at home, by the way, Eddie Bravo, outside as I pulled up, thought I was Joe. | ||
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He walked up to me like, how you doing? | |
| Oh, hey, Jimmy. | ||
| And I was like, he fucking thought I was Joe. | ||
| And he goes, thought you were Joe, dude. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| He came in with an old ass car. | ||
| My muscle car, man. | ||
| My Firebird. | ||
| So yeah, I don't wear fucking black shirts. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| What's fucked up is that you were bald before me. | ||
| I was. | ||
| You shaved your head before me. | ||
| I fucking freaked out when you shaved your head. | ||
| I was like, fuck. | ||
| But it's cool, man. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| It's alright. | ||
| No, it's just an illustration of the natural. | ||
| My mom got us confused one time. | ||
| I'm not even fucking joking. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I told you that story on the first podcast. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I was at my mom's house. | ||
| She was making me dinner and I was going to watch UFC. So a lot of times I go to my mom's house. | ||
| She's an amazing cook. | ||
| She's Greek. | ||
| You guys will have to come over and have dinner sometime. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So I went to her house. | ||
| She's making me dinner. | ||
| We're watching the UFC. She turns around. | ||
| She goes, Oh, this is one of yours. | ||
| No, mom, that's Joe Rogan. | ||
| And she goes, she fucking paused. | ||
| She goes, man, he looks like you. | ||
| I was like, thanks, mom. | ||
| I get this shit fucking 50 times a day on the internet. | ||
| I'm going to get this from my own mother, but I still ate the food. | ||
| I forgave her. | ||
| You got shit on the internet, but one of the things about you, dude, you don't toot your own horn, is you're universally respected with people that know the sport, which is why... | ||
| I was campaigning to get you hired by the UFC years ago. | ||
| I'm like, this guy's the shit. | ||
| He knows his stuff. | ||
| I appreciate that, man. | ||
| I'm excited, man. | ||
| And I'm excited, too, for Big John. | ||
| I love John. | ||
| And I'm excited he got that gig. | ||
| I hope that really works out well for him. | ||
| And I think it's going to be interesting. | ||
| I understand completely... | ||
| Kind of the step. | ||
| I don't recall a referee ever doing commentary. | ||
| I mean, he did Affliction. | ||
| He did the first Affliction show. | ||
| But it's a different perspective. | ||
| He's seeing it from an angle that no fighter or coach is really going to see. | ||
| And so I think it's great because any fighter is going to be compared to all the other fighters that do it. | ||
| A referee, he's just going to have a different perspective, and I think that's a good choice. | ||
| Also, if John does it with Mike, Goldberg and John are real good friends. | ||
| First show is Mike. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| I believe. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| Don't quote me on that, but I believe it. | ||
| Because they're real good friends, so that should just be real easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mike's easy to work with. | ||
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He's great. | |
| Mike's easy to work with. | ||
| Morrow was, too. | ||
| Both guys were easy to work with. | ||
| They're very different, but both guys were easy to work with, man. | ||
| I was impressed with both of them, honestly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mike's a sweetheart. | ||
| We need more work for a lot of guys, but for what we do, there's not a lot of guys that do it. | ||
| There's Paul Felder, who I think does a fucking phenomenal job, and I would have loved to listen to him tonight if we weren't yapping, but he does a great job. | ||
| He's a smooth guy, very smooth. | ||
| I think Dan Hardy does a great job. | ||
| Brian Stan was one of my favorites. | ||
| I was bummed out when Brian left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He prepared better than anybody. | ||
| Brian Stan would pull out shit about training and all these different weird things that you didn't know about preparation and things that fighters do that this guy did that was unusual. | ||
| You're like, whoa. | ||
| His preparation was top of the food chain. | ||
| It's a full-time job. | ||
| People don't get that, you know, in terms of like, you know... | ||
| When I'm not doing commentary, I'm studying fights all the time because I'm not just watching them. | ||
| I gotta sit there and study them, which is a totally different job. | ||
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What's funny is Joe never prepared for shit. | |
| He didn't prepare for anything. | ||
| I'm speaking for myself personally. | ||
| Joe would just walk on and just crush with no preparation. | ||
| Maybe a couple thoughts, couple notes, but he wasn't preparing at all. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| It's like it was too easy for you. | ||
| Well, it's all the things I do live. | ||
| If you think about how much stand-up I do live, and then how much podcasts I do live. | ||
| This is before the podcast. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Well, you know the thing was, they... | ||
| They wanted to have some sort of planned out interaction. | ||
| That's one of the things that people would freak out about. | ||
| When we would do the beginning of the fight and Goldberg would say, like, Matt Hughes fights Frank Trigg for the UFC welterweight title! | ||
| And this is an important fight. | ||
| I didn't know what the fuck I was going to say. | ||
| I didn't know what he was going to say. | ||
| I didn't know what I was going to say. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| But I knew about the fight. | ||
| So my point was like, it's better to be in the moment and really care about this fight and care about what I think is going to happen and not have anything planned out. | ||
| I just wanted to be able to go, this is what's critical in this fight, and we're going to know early on whether or not the fight's going to go one way or another based on a couple of parameters. | ||
| And I would just go into those things, and then after it would be over, I'd be like, whoa. | ||
| Worked out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's too easy for you, man. | ||
| Too goddamn easy. | ||
| I tell new people. | ||
| He's the godfather of color commentary for MMA. Are you kidding me? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But what I tell people, don't write down. | ||
| You'll think about what did I write down rather than the... | ||
| I tell people, I go never... | ||
| Play-by-play to you, of course. | ||
| But I go, color, don't write down notes or don't write down here's what I'm going to say because you'll start thinking about what What you wrote down. | ||
| And you'll sound fake. | ||
| And you'll sound fake. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| Have a couple bullet points in your head, what you want to hit, just know the two bullet points, and you'll get through the open. | ||
| I think the two most important things are you've got to actually care. | ||
| This has to be important to you. | ||
| I've been thinking about Francis and Stipe all fucking day. | ||
| I'm going to think about them all day tomorrow. | ||
| If I'm bored and I'm in the middle of doing something else, I'm going to think, what the fuck is going to happen next Saturday night? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you've got to care. | ||
| It has to mean something to you, and you have to know what you're talking about. | ||
| So you have to understand the sport, you have to have a deep knowledge in it, you have to really care, and then it should just sort of work itself out. | ||
| Like, if you've thought about it, and you're like, okay, here's what's going to happen. | ||
| Stipe's got to get the clinch. | ||
| He's got to figure out a way to... | ||
| He doesn't want to stand on the outside with that guy. | ||
| The guy's got these crazy long arms, and... | ||
| You can't make a mistake. | ||
| One punch puts you into orbit. | ||
| So you have to be real careful with your clothes in the distance. | ||
| I think if you go into it that way, if you really understand fighting and you really care about what's going on, it's just a matter of expressing yourself. | ||
| The two things that separate the men from the boys in commentary, and I'm like... | ||
| This is the honest truth to me. | ||
| Is number two, and I will always text like you or Anik or something when there are a lot of knockouts early in a fight. | ||
| I'll be like, how's it going? | ||
| Because that's when it's like we have to fill all this time. | ||
| Because what you understand in TV is they've booked a two-hour TV show or three-hour pay-per-view, whatever it is. | ||
| They got to fill X amount of minutes, period. | ||
| Doesn't matter what happens. | ||
| So they either use fights that they've already used or... | ||
| Jimmy, get up and interview this fighter. | ||
| We need five minutes like right now. | ||
| So that's when the tap dancing happens is a lot of early knockouts. | ||
| You have to fill a lot of time. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| The second one is when you have a 25-minute snooze fest and you're going... | ||
| I gotta think of some... | ||
| Those are the two parts that are really... | ||
| We're not talking about how hard interviews are, but in terms of in-commentary, those two are tough. | ||
| When there are early knockouts or long, boring fights. | ||
| How about commentating for fights that you've never heard of the fighters, just a whole car with just a bunch of guys, rookies, back in 2001, 2002, just... | ||
| And, man, it wasn't fun. | ||
| King of the Kings used to have 25 fights in a fucking night, man. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| It used to be all fucking night. | ||
| I did a gladiator challenge, too. | ||
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Eddie, do you remember? | |
| For 250 bucks, 250 a show. | ||
| Dude, rip me off. | ||
| I got 200 bucks a fight in a fucking thing. | ||
| Do you remember the Hitman show where they pretended there weren't real fights? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Babalu and Chael. | ||
| But there was real fights. | ||
| There were real fights, but they were like, hey, we're filming a show. | ||
| Yep, start and beginning. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| So they got around the MMA rules by saying that it was fake. | ||
| Yeah, a movie. | ||
| It's a famous thing here in California for the listeners who weren't around. | ||
| MMA wasn't legal, so what they did is that they pretended they were shooting a movie. | ||
| Do you remember the cards for the fight said, like, Hitman the movie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Do you remember that? | ||
| And on the back it had the fight card on it, and it was a real fight card, but they pretended they were filming a movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so the cops showed up and said, oh yeah, then who wins the fights? | ||
| If this is fake. | ||
| And that's why that night, they just chose winners. | ||
| It didn't matter who won. | ||
| And so for a while, those people had goofy records until they eliminated him. | ||
| This is a famous cow. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| The cops showed up. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they had to like, oh yeah, this is fake. | ||
| Chael wins or whatever. | ||
| I forget who won, but they just raised his hand. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And even though he didn't win. | ||
| And so the cops wouldn't bust everybody. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But that's, yeah, the famous Hitman show. | ||
| Hitman the movie. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| Back in the day, dude. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| But listen, we got to wrap this up, but I just want to say that it's been real cool to be friends with you all these years while you were working for Bellator. | ||
| It always meant a lot to me that you and I were never weird, even though we were both doing the same job for other organizations. | ||
| We were both really cool. | ||
| I got you tickets to UFC before. | ||
| We hung out a bunch of times. | ||
| You did the podcast a bunch of times. | ||
| And we would text Back and forth all the time while fights were going on. | ||
| I would text him when crazy Bellator fights were going on. | ||
| He would text me when crazy UFC fights were going on. | ||
| So during the fight sometimes, I'd be texting Jimmy. | ||
| We'd be going back and forth. | ||
| It meant a lot to me that we were tight. | ||
| It did. | ||
| And it means a lot to me now that you're at the UFC. I love it. | ||
| I'm very happy. | ||
| I wouldn't be there without you. | ||
| I wouldn't. | ||
| And I'm happy everybody knows that. | ||
| I mean, it's like, you know, it's meant a lot to me that you reached out to me when I first left Bellator. | ||
| And you said, keep your head up man, you're the best. | ||
| And I didn't know you knew who I was. | ||
| And that's where everything started. | ||
| And it was the first time I realized Man, people outside this bubble actually have any idea who I am. | ||
| And you didn't have to do that. | ||
| And it's meant a lot for years, and I'm just thrilled that it finally worked out and we're in the same spot, man. | ||
| I'm so pumped. | ||
| You're an amazing dude, man. | ||
| I really appreciate your support. | ||
| And you are too, man. | ||
| And you're really fucking good. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It means a lot to me because I'm a fan, you know? | ||
| I like watching fights, and you call them fantastic. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| And Eddie Bravo, you're pretty beautiful, too. | ||
| You're awesome, too, Eddie. | ||
| Your face looks so amazing since you're not drinking. | ||
| When are you getting your knee surgery? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| You said February? | ||
| Tony's got a fight coming up, so I'm going to wait until after that's over. | ||
| Oh, did they schedule something? | ||
| What? | ||
| A fight for Tony? | ||
| They're working on something. | ||
| Okay, so you wouldn't be able to... | ||
| You heard it here first. | ||
| You just let something out of the back? | ||
| No. | ||
| Tony's a fighter. | ||
| He's always working on a new fight. | ||
| So, if you have your knee fucked up, you just won't be able to demonstrate techniques? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| You'll end up doing it. | ||
| I think I'm gonna be on crutches for four weeks or something. | ||
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No. | |
| No? | ||
| ACL? I went to a party five days after my surgery. | ||
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ACL, really? | |
| I didn't even wear crutches. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Yeah, I just put a knee brace on five days afterwards. | ||
| I've never had ACL surgery, so I was just thinking it was gonna be like four weeks of crutches. | ||
| If you get a cadaver graft, it's so non-invasive. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| I hear Patella's the best. | ||
| No. | ||
| I've had both. | ||
| The cadaver's the best. | ||
| The problem with the cadaver is some people say, I've never heard that. | ||
| I mean, it might. | ||
| It happened to Benji Raddick. | ||
| He got a cadaver. | ||
| Yeah, but I think he just got an infection. | ||
| I think he got MRSA. No, I know exactly what happened because the doctor, the knee doctor that did it, I know him. | ||
| He's my doctor. | ||
| He said that was the last time he did a cadaver because it got infected and it was really bad. | ||
| So ever since then, he stopped doing cadavers. | ||
| He just sticks to patella. | ||
| I have both. | ||
| This one's patella, this one's cadaver. | ||
| This one was way quicker healing, way less invasive, and neither one of them give me problems today. | ||
| But I think if I had to do it again, I'd do cadaver. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I'll look into it. | ||
| They also use a thicker tendon because they use the Achilles tendon. | ||
| They use this big fat rope, and they stick that bad boy in there. | ||
| It's 150% stronger than your natural ACL. Damn, maybe I need to do that. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| If you want, my guy, Gettleman, who did both my knees, he's amazing. | ||
| He just did my buddy's shoulder, too. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| And he's out here. | ||
| He's actually Simi Valley, and I think he has a place in Beverly Hills, too. | ||
| He does a lot of pro athletes. | ||
| Can't do shit until after that fight, so it's going to be a couple months. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you just did it, It did the surgery you would still be able to coach them You just wouldn't be able to do certain moves and maybe you could bring someone like Marvin Or so, you know one of your best guys. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I don't think you should put it off. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm looking at a whole different way now Yeah, I should just fucking do it do it just do it because that's six months that'll take to rehab Happens before you know it, but if you put it off that six months happens before you know it too And all the six months later you still have a fucked up knee and you haven't gotten a surgery. | ||
| It just went out and On air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta get it fixed. | ||
| Get that shit fixed. | ||
| Get that shit fixed. | ||
| It didn't look like it was gonna pop back in. | ||
| The last two times it happened, it was really hard to pop back in, and I'm thinking, man, what if it gets stuck like this shit? | ||
| You won't be able to roll hard for six months, but the reality is you'll be able to do a lot of stuff before then, especially when you're drilling and just showing, and there's no resistance. | ||
| You'll be able to do a lot pretty quick. | ||
| As long as there's no resistance on your knee, you'll be able to do a lot like three months in. | ||
| And you'll be doing... | ||
| I'm sure you'll be doing a ton of rehab. | ||
| You'll be on the ball with that shit. | ||
| You know, you're gonna be very... | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| Yeah, very disciplined. | ||
| I'm ready to get back to work, son. | ||
| I hear you, dog. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's wrap this bitch up. | ||
| Jimmy Smith, thanks for doing this, brother. | ||
| Welcome aboard. | ||
| Love ya. | ||
| Love you too, man. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Eddie Bravo, love you too. | ||
| Hey, I'm releasing Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1. It happened about a month and a half ago on my YouTube tomorrow morning. | ||
| It's free now. | ||
| Don't miss it. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| And the YouTube is just Eddie Bravo? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Twister Eddie, I think. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| People will find it. | ||
| They'll find it. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| Tomorrow, I got a doubleheader. | ||
| So we start with John Donaher at 8 a.m. |
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