Sept. 25, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| President of the United States 2024 Dave Smith is with me Is that a real date? | ||
| Is that a date? | ||
| What's 2024? | ||
| That wouldn't be it, right? | ||
| 16, 20, 24. That's it. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And it's right when I'll be ready. | ||
| Dude, you can pull it off. | ||
| We need a real libertarian candidate that can fucking hang in there. | ||
| Someone who's gonna... | ||
| Break the mold, Dave Smith! | ||
| And a stand-up comedian as well. | ||
| I didn't want this task, but now that Joe Rogan's called on me... | ||
| You could do it. | ||
| You're relatively immune to all the trappings that hit all those people. | ||
| Of course there's dirt on you. | ||
| You're a part of Skankfest. | ||
| That's gonna be... | ||
| There's a lot of grabbing by the pussies in my past. | ||
| You're on a podcast called The Legion of Skanks. | ||
| Could that be introduced in a presidential debate, and then I have to go, mm-hmm, yes, that was my show. | ||
| Yes, but you would do it just like that, and everybody would start laughing. | ||
| We're realizing that this... | ||
| What if I just do it like a politician, and I'd be like, I repudiated that show years ago. | ||
| I no longer associate with Big Jay Oakerson. | ||
| Dude, speaking of which, they put Wiener in the pokey today. | ||
| 21 months in jail for sexting, I believe it was a 15-year-old? | ||
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Well... | |
| Look, that guy single-handedly probably changed America. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With his dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| He really did. | ||
| He changed it through dick pics. | ||
| How else were you going to change America in 2017? | ||
| Look at the road edge! | ||
| Anthony Weiner gets hard time. | ||
| Is that the post? | ||
| That post is hilarious. | ||
| Whoever writes for the post, goddamn they have some fucking great headlines. | ||
| Anthony Weiner gets hard time! | ||
| You know what's horrible is before all this happened, he was fantastic. | ||
| That guy could have been the president. | ||
| He had that politician-y thing. | ||
| I mean, and he was like for a young politician on the fast track. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he, I mean, I really do think Hillary Clinton, I mean, I just think it was such a close race that any little thing probably could have made the difference, so you could blame any number of factors. | ||
| But, I mean, the FBI coming out and reopening an investigation on you, like, less than two weeks before an election, that's pretty tough to get over politically. | ||
| Like, in any normal year, any candidate would be buried Well, after all that, lock her up. | ||
| Lock her up. | ||
| There's no way you can survive that. | ||
| The FBI is looking into it. | ||
| All the people that don't want to look into it any further than the surface, they immediately go, oh, we fucking got it. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| And I think there's also just, in terms of the politics and the way people work, there was something about Anthony Weiner where, so it made the American public think about him again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Trump was bringing the women who are accusing Bill Clinton of rape to the debates. | ||
| And I think the average person just kind of went like, wait a minute. | ||
| So your husband is a sexual predator and your best friend, her husband is also a sexual predator. | ||
| Like, who the fuck are these people? | ||
| Who the fuck are you? | ||
| Who is that the story for? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's one of the things that got me about Fox News, because Fox News has always been the voice of conservative America on television, right? | ||
| The staunch voice of conservative America. | ||
| But yet, all this sex stuff comes out, like the Bill O'Reilly tapes where he was calling up whoever the girl was and saying crazy shit with a loofah sponge. | ||
| Remember all that? | ||
| Yeah, I read about it. | ||
| It was crazy, but they had recordings of it. | ||
| And then it was, you know, all the women that accused him of sexual harassment and sexual harassment with other people. | ||
| And then other people are sending dick pics and like, whoa, you guys are freaks! | ||
| And you know what was really crazy about it was that, so Roger Ailes, who's the head of the network, He went down first for sexual harassment and then as soon as he was down like a whole bunch of other people started going down and then you really start wondering like oh shit like was it just like a new guy isn't letting us sexually harass anymore what's going on? | ||
| What's going on with this jerk off? | ||
| Well, I think it was just there was a culture that they could get away with before the internet where they were the bosses and the women were the underlings and they all felt, you know, I'm sure there's probably a lot of dynamics playing there, right? | ||
| There's a power situation, the man. | ||
| The guy who's the boss is in position. | ||
| And then there's also women that are attracted to power figures. | ||
| And then there's also this conservative, really repressed environment, which always leads to freak shit. | ||
| It always does. | ||
| When you have people buttoned down, they always lead to freak shit. | ||
| They have to find a way out. | ||
| That pressure's gotta go! | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| I mean, I always say to people, if you're in New York City, if you go to a bar in the financial district, like, right after work, it's a really crazy scene. | ||
| Something interesting, like the exact dynamic you're talking about, where it's these people who are all day working in this crazy, like, and then, like, the ties are loosened, and it's this, like, real... | ||
| The girls are drinking, and they take their shoes off at the bar, and you're like, whoa. | ||
| People are getting slapped on the ass, like, crazy shit is going on that you wouldn't think you're a banker. | ||
| You know, the guy who runs your retirement account. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because like we were talking about before the podcast started with these ancient reward systems, there's an ancient reward system for plundering. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| I think these guys feel like they're goddamn pirates, like they're plundering. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| They're part of the financial market and then they're doing SHOTS! We're gonna fucking take them down! | ||
| We're gonna fucking take them down! | ||
| And they grab each other, we're gonna fucking take them down, we're gonna fucking take them down. | ||
| And if you think about, I mean, if you think about the acquisition of property, of goods, or anything like that throughout human history, I mean, the idea of, like, a just, a theory of just acquisition of property is, like, pretty relatively new. | ||
| And the way everything was acquired for all of human history was through conquest. | ||
| Just through, you know, you take it. | ||
| You take other people's shit. | ||
| And you gotta think that like a hostile takeover must feel incredibly like sacking a city. | ||
| Look at these guys. | ||
| Oh, that's from Wall Street. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| It wasn't Wall Street. | ||
| What the fuck was this called? | ||
| Wolf of Wall Street. | ||
| Yeah, that was a great scene. | ||
| But people resonate. | ||
| That scene resonated with people. | ||
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I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! And everybody's like, YES! It's like being above the system, kind of. | |
| It is, but this is tapping in the same way football taps in. | ||
| It's tapping into this ancient reward system for plundering. | ||
| When men get together and they fuck up other men and take all their shit, and then we kick ass! | ||
| It's unbelievable how much, I thought about this a lot this last year through the election, but it's unbelievable how much that football team dynamic is just the whole thing. | ||
| It's like human beings love to get into a stadium, be like red team, blue team, identify with one team, and lose their freaking minds. | ||
| Like, literally lose their minds, and that's when they know it's meaningless. | ||
| When they know it's just about a ball crossing a line. | ||
| We'll still bring God into it. | ||
| We'll bring a team into it. | ||
| And again, you see with this Trump thing now that he just stepped on. | ||
| Me and Jamie were joking around before we started. | ||
| He threatened nuclear war and insulted Steph Curry in one thought. | ||
| And everyone in America is like, excuse me, what was that second part? | ||
| What? | ||
| And both sides. | ||
| This is just what gets them interested. | ||
| Well, we are a gossip country now, like 100% officially. | ||
| Like, what we like is a squabble between the leader of the free world, who is a reality star, and some of the best basketball players that have ever lived. | ||
| Like, OH SHIT! HITS ON! Football players. | ||
| I mean, LeBron James is making videos about the president being a douchebag. | ||
| He's making videos about all these different people Like expressing their right to free speech. | ||
| I saw one of the tweets that he tweeted out at the president where it was like just kind of like a broken English tweet. | ||
| Like he used the word ain't a lot in it. | ||
| And it's just him versus Trump. | ||
| I just had a moment where I was like, so this is where the national conversation is at now. | ||
| I just remember watching like William F. Buckley versus Gore Vidal debates and you're like, how fucking retarded has our country gotten? | ||
| Have you seen the documentary? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Really interesting. | ||
| If you haven't seen it, folks, it's on Netflix. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
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Something... | |
| I don't remember. | ||
| Bitter Rivals? | ||
| Did I make that up? | ||
| That something is called Bitter Rivals. | ||
| That might have been a UFC event. | ||
| Back in the early 2000s, they named them all Destruction. | ||
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Best of enemies? | |
| Best of enemies, thank you. | ||
| When did they stop that stupid pattern? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| UFC 54, obliteration. | ||
| Yeah, I was saying, they're going to run out of adjectives. | ||
| And they realized eventually, yeah, we are. | ||
| This is a real sport now. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| Like, you don't ever see. | ||
| It's never like, Knicks vs. | ||
| Sixers. | ||
| Slamfest. | ||
| Total slamfest. | ||
| Yeah, like you never have a name. | ||
| It's just the World Series. | ||
| It's just the fucking Super Bowl. | ||
| There's never a, you know, domination event. | ||
| Yeah, they figured it out somewhere along the line. | ||
| But what we're talking about, oh yeah, how crazy it is to see that this is all going on while Puerto Rico has no power and only 5% of it has cell phone service. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| You want to talk about, there's a weird racist thing that we're like, if that was an island filled with white people, do you really truly think it was an island filled with white people that spoke perfect English, And it sounded just like us. | ||
| Do you think we could have so little coverage of Puerto Rico the way we do now? | ||
| Puerto Rico is technically a part of the United States. | ||
| It's not a state, but it's technically like we had on... | ||
| And Peter Schiff. | ||
| Yes, we just had him on. | ||
| Peter Schiff, who was fantastic when he was on, he just moved his whole team down there. | ||
| Boy, I bet he's regretting that shit now. | ||
| For a guy who's known for predicting the future... | ||
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He really missed that one. | |
| That's like that moment and that animated gif where that black kid has got his glasses and he says they're funny and everyone around is going, ahhhh! | ||
| That's what you just did to Peter Schiff. | ||
| For a guy who was known to predict the future. | ||
| Well he did. | ||
| Why did you not see the destruction of your empire by God himself? | ||
| Turns out he can only predict subprime mortgage crisis and not acts of God. | ||
| Fuck dude and there's another one along the way. | ||
| Look at this one. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| This is a repeat one over and over again. | ||
| This is great. | ||
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Ah! | |
| That kid's face is so fucking classic. | ||
| Like, if he shut you down and gave you that face, he'd be like, FUCK! He got me. | ||
| There's no counter-argument after this has happened to you. | ||
| Like, you just accept that you lost. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you might be able to, like, gain some ground afterwards with a couple of good insults, but, you know, the fucking contest is over. | ||
| If that's, like, happens halfway through a roast battle, just, like, call it for the judges. | ||
| You gotta know when to walk away, too, with a loss. | ||
| Because it's way worse if you stay there and keep swinging. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just keep getting fucked up. | ||
| When that guy gives you that face, you gotta go, all right, you got a good point. | ||
| I'll come back and fight another day. | ||
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Look at us. | |
| The kid who puts his hands on his ears and walks by with his mouth, I'm like, you can't believe it! | ||
| I mean, that might be like one of the perfect events in human history. | ||
| Forget about like, you know, planting the flag at Iwo Jima. | ||
| This dude, this dude making that face that will be used, who knows how many countless hundreds of thousands of times. | ||
| How many times has that thing been used? | ||
| Maybe millions, right? | ||
| If a YouTube video Could get millions of hits? | ||
| That's probably in the millions. | ||
| Millions of times used. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| For sure, right? | ||
| But yeah, it's a weird fucking time with all this because we're concentrating so much on weird stuff, like whether or not you should stand for the flag or kneel. | ||
| And first of all, I think what they're doing... | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| They're protesting cops shooting innocent people. | ||
| That's what it's about. | ||
| So it's kind of ineffective on their part, the message, because you have to listen to them afterwards. | ||
| Because it seems like you don't like America, right? | ||
| That's what people have a problem with. | ||
| And Trump's playing on that, that they get down on one knee. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, it's kind of weird because it's kind of respectful. | ||
| Also, getting down on one knee for the flag is actually more respectful than putting your hand over your heart, which is really weird, right? | ||
| So they're supposed to be protesting cops who've shot innocent, unarmed people, which have been a fuckload of them. | ||
| But that's a weird way to do it, because you're doing it during the anthem. | ||
| The anthem isn't those cops. | ||
| The anthem is all of us. | ||
| So it's a shitty way to divide, because it's not really making a whole lot of sense. | ||
| Because the people who wrote the Star Spangled Banner, who are singing it right now, the people who have sung it all throughout the years and stood there, they aren't the ones that shot those unarmed people. | ||
| What you have is a cop who is probably a nervous wreck, most likely has been operating with PTSD for the past five, six fucking years. | ||
| You have friends that are cops? | ||
| A few, yeah. | ||
| They tell you crazy shit, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, I know a bunch of cops, especially from jujitsu. | ||
| I know a ton of cops, and from the UFC as well. | ||
| They tell you some fucking horror stories, things that they have to deal with. | ||
| Like, they stumble upon a crime scene, and the guy's got half his fucking head missing, people chopped up, you know, all sorts of dark, dark, dark shit. | ||
| And it's in their head all the time. | ||
| They've had buddies get shot in the face at... | ||
| You know, routine traffic stops. | ||
| Everybody's freaked out because over the course of 20 years, you're a police officer, you have seen a fucking amazing amount of shit. | ||
| They're probably unfit for the job, these guys that are shooting people. | ||
| And when you think about the vast number of people that are cops that aren't doing this, All the interactions. | ||
| We're concentrating on these terrible things that obviously there's no defense for, right? | ||
| There's no defending someone shooting a 13-year-old boy with a plastic gun. | ||
| There's no defending any of the crazy stuff that we saw. | ||
| The guy who shot the guy and then planted the taser. | ||
| There's no defending any of this, right? | ||
| But how many interactions are cops having with people where this doesn't happen? | ||
| A fuckload, man! | ||
| Like, let's keep some perspective. | ||
| And if you live in a country with 320 million people and you see one incident or a few incidents, there's no perspective there. | ||
| So you can find any example to paint whatever narrative you want to if you're just going off random examples. | ||
| Yeah, you can. | ||
| God, it's really frustrating for me because it's like the whole Trump And the whole moment we're in now, it's all about a culture war. | ||
| Like, that's what it's really about. | ||
| It's not about politics or policy or anything. | ||
| It's really a culture war. | ||
| And what you have here, and this is why everyone gets so into the kneeling for the national anthem thing, because it's symbolic of two cultures. | ||
| And to me, it's like, I see the worst in both, which is really frustrating. | ||
| So, it's like the left-wing thing is just this bash America with no perspective. | ||
| Like, no fucking perspective. | ||
| At all. | ||
| So it's like, yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they'll be protesting, say, like, cops being shot or something like that, which you can say, certainly there are legitimate cases of that. | ||
| And I'm a person who believes we have, like, a real, real police problem in America. | ||
| And we have, like, just insane amounts of arrests for nonviolent crimes and really fucked up shit. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Mass incarceration, all these fucked up things. | ||
| That being said, there's also justifiable shootings that cops do. | ||
| There's that too. | ||
| So you have these people taking a knee, but it's kind of symbolic to people who aren't on the left of this culture of everything on the left is just anti-America, anti-capitalist, anti-white man, anti-man in general, and anti-Western civilization with no perspective. | ||
| No perspective of just like, America's a white supremacist country. | ||
| Well, what does that mean? | ||
| Compared to what? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And I'm not saying it doesn't exist. | ||
| But it's like when they say, like, we live in a rape culture. | ||
| It's like, what does that mean? | ||
| If I'm like, we live in a robbery culture. | ||
| There are robberies, but compare to what? | ||
| So if you're going to say we're a white supremacist culture, to me it's kind of like saying, it's like saying America's a poor country. | ||
| I mean, I suppose, compared to some richer country in the future that's figured some shit out that we haven't, compared to everything else that's ever existed, we're a rich country. | ||
| So, if you're talking white supremacists, it's like, well, no, by and large, we're probably the best, like, melting pot, most diverse, most inclusive, most... | ||
| Like, we feel more guilty for the sins of our past than pretty much any other country I could think of. | ||
| And I don't know any country that, like, you know, it's like America was founded by conquest of the Native Americans. | ||
| It's like, right, and so was every single other country. | ||
| And every country had slavery, and every country had all these things. | ||
| It's not, no one 150 years ago wasn't fucked up. | ||
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That doesn't exist. | |
| There's no utopia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so if you have some perspective, the left-wing thing gets pretty frustrating after a while. | ||
| However, then, on the Trump side, so I've kind of been more sympathetic to the right than the left probably over the last year and a half, because I really do see, like, the issue of our time becoming this, like, are you for free speech or against free speech? | ||
| That to me is, like, really... | ||
| Right, because we don't really figure things out unless we get to debate them. | ||
| We can't have forbidden topics, and we can't have topics that are supercharged to the point where you can't have a position on them, and you can't explore them. | ||
| They're too powerful. | ||
| Yes, yes, that's exactly right. | ||
| I think there's many reasons, but that's one of the most important, like, why we need free speech. | ||
| Because unless you come from the position of, I have everything 100% correct, Like, then maybe you need to have a conversation and someone has a conversation back with you, because odds are you don't have everything 100% correct. | ||
| It's their correct versus your correct. | ||
| Like, their correct is gender equality, their correct is transgender rights, their correct is socialism, their correct is like, and if you, obviously I'm talking about people far left, not talking about you if you're listening. | ||
| I'm talking about the hypothetical extreme far-left person that is protesting Ben Shapiro on Berkeley campus, calling him a Nazi. | ||
| But this isn't just, you know, you're talking about a hypothetical person, but obviously this is happening in reality. | ||
| There's lots of them. | ||
| And there's enough to the point where it's like this real thing where, okay, so the great threat to free speech in our time isn't coming from the state. | ||
| Which, by the way, as a libertarian, that would be more comfortable to my narrative. | ||
| That's what I've been thinking for years is the great threat to free speech. | ||
| But no, it's coming from this left-wing culture that says, like, Ben Shapiro can't speak. | ||
| Milo Yiannopoulos can't speak. | ||
| Condoleezza Rice can't speak. | ||
| Look, if Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson need to be silenced, I mean, my only problem with those two is that they're too moderate. | ||
| These are not bigots. | ||
| These are intellectuals making an intellectual argument, and they can't even speak. | ||
| So it's very scary. | ||
| And then the other thing I would just say on this left-wing culture, and this is what Kaepernick kind of embodies to me, is just this frustrating ignorance. | ||
| So you'll be protesting police brutality and mass incarceration, and then you'll put a Castro image on your jacket? | ||
| Like, I mean, come on, man. | ||
| This just doesn't understand. | ||
| Come on, dude. | ||
| You can't stand up for something and swing and miss that big. | ||
| Like, you've got to research a little bit. | ||
| I mean, do five minutes. | ||
| All the information's on your phone. | ||
| Like, I just don't. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| And I get being against that. | ||
| And I want to be, like, on the free speech side. | ||
| And I see a lot of these guys, like, who I'll bring up, like Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro, guys you've had on your show, who I really admire a lot because they're fighting against that. | ||
| And Jordan Peterson fighting against that authoritarian PC, anti-free speech stuff. | ||
| So I'm kind of more sympathetic to the right, but then there's this thing with the NFL, and it really just reminds me of all the cultural aspects of the right that I hate, which is when, first of all, I'm sorry, as someone who's standing for freedom of speech, I'm pretty fucking troubled by the President of the United States, the man who's in control of the most powerful army in the military in the history of humanity, coming out and saying, I think if someone takes a knee, they should be fired. | ||
| Now, that may not be writing a law against speech, but that's pretty fucking chilling. | ||
| To have, like, the government telling you, hey, you know what would please me? | ||
| Is if you started firing people when they spoke out against me. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| And this fucking right-wing, like, praise the flag, and if you say anything against it, it's, like, religious. | ||
| It's blasphemy to criticize the troops or criticize the country. | ||
| Like, fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, it is a power issue. | ||
| What I was going to say earlier is that when you were talking about the state, when you were talking about the fear of the state and the censorship coming from the state, it's the same thing. | ||
| Because the state is just power. | ||
| And the far left is power too. | ||
| And it's power with shame and with blogs and with protests. | ||
| And it is the power that they're trying to exercise to get you to behave the way they want you to. | ||
| And the right does the same thing. | ||
| I think what we should have, if we're going to really keep doing this whole we're a country thing, We should have like an armistice when then this is I think with with reasonable people have an issue with this idea of desecrating the flag because the flag is just a flag and it's not important but what is important is that we treat each other like we're a team and we look out for each other and we're all together and we're all united together we shouldn't be if we have an issue our issue should be with communist dictatorships across the | ||
| world that have nuclear weapons that are holding their people captive If it was ever a time to look at a country and go, wow, this is a country that is in an unjust position, and it's a really terrifying dilemma that you have this murderous dictator who's in control of nuclear weapons, and he has an entire country of people enslaved. | ||
| Which is essentially what's going on in North Korea, right? | ||
| It's basically like a giant hostage situation. | ||
| That's a real giant issue to us. | ||
| It's not whether or not transgender people can use the fucking men's room or the women's room. | ||
| That's not our issue. | ||
| That's a cultural conversation. | ||
| And that cultural conversation should be calm and we should be friendly to each other. | ||
| Because we're supposed to be on the fucking same team. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| But that stuff with the transgender bathrooms, I gotta say, man, and it's really weird for me. | ||
| Sometimes I just can't... | ||
| I can't even believe I hold some of the positions I do because I grew up like a kind of left-wing kid and I was raised by a single mom in New York. | ||
| That's kind of where I belong culturally. | ||
| But I really can't... | ||
| You know, it's almost like... | ||
| The kooky conservatives, the religious kooky conservatives, who I just dismissed for years as like, this is just insane, had more of like, they had a grain of truth that I didn't realize. | ||
| Like, they'd be like, you know, you can't legalize gay marriage or they'll start coming after the kids. | ||
| And you're like, well, that's just insane. | ||
| And only gay marriage gets legalized. | ||
| And like the next year, they're like, kids should be able to take hormones to suppress that. | ||
| And you're like, whoa. | ||
| This is kind of weird. | ||
| It's very weird to me that the left didn't take, like, a minute to celebrate this victory on gay marriage that they had been fighting for, like, my entire life. | ||
| They got a huge victory. | ||
| The Supreme Court came in and forced it on the remaining 20 states or so who weren't ready, who weren't going to vote for it. | ||
| They forced it on them, and there wasn't a big backlash, like that one chick went to jail for, like, three days. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| The one in Oklahoma wouldn't marry gay folks? | ||
| Yeah, Wendy Davis, I think. | ||
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Something like that. | |
| And then it's not like, oh, there was this wave of Republicans who rose up like, we're going to repeal, or we're going to write a law to reverse that Supreme Court decision. | ||
| It's like, no, actually, they elected the first pro-gay marriage president. | ||
| It's like, you won on this issue, and immediately, as soon as they won, they're like, now transgender bathrooms, now this. | ||
| Well, I don't think they're related, and this is why. | ||
| I think, first of all, the gay marriage thing is consenting adults. | ||
| They should be able to do whatever they want to do. | ||
| The difference between gay people and transgender people is pretty radical. | ||
| No, I agree! | ||
| It's almost the same difference as between straight people and gay people. | ||
| Yes, but they're in the same four letters according to the law. | ||
| Yeah, but that whole LBGTQA, A +, whatever the fuck it is now, there's a bunch of new ones that they've added on, asexual. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| I think it's actually insulting that they lump them together as if it's like the same thing. | ||
| I mean, I think it's weird that when Trump tweeted the thing about trans people not being able to serve in the military, I saw a bunch of people being like, Trump, you know, has come out against LGBT rights. | ||
| And you're like, what the hell does this have to do with LG or B? Yeah. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They're just a gang, lump it all together, a big progressive gang of acronyms. | ||
| But what I was going to say about all this stuff being lumped in together is that the left has been the side that has looked towards the hard science when it comes to global warming, right? | ||
| The hard science when it comes to climate data. | ||
| Those are the ones that are always pushing, whether they're right or wrong or getting the right data. | ||
| They're the ones that are really harping on the science. | ||
| And if you looked in terms of the amount of people that are working in universities, there are far more left than there are right. | ||
| Far more left professors than there are right. | ||
| So you would think, okay, you have this, like, base of academia and knowledge on the left. | ||
| But yet the left is the side that's willing to entertain the idea that a young kid should take hormones to alter their sex when you know for a fucking fact that when you're a young person you're extremely confused, constantly, back and forth, left and right. | ||
| There are hormonal changes. | ||
| The cerebral cortex, the frontal cortex doesn't even really fully develop. | ||
| They don't say you're a real fully developed person until you're like 25 if you're a man. | ||
| Which explains a lot of the shit that I did, right? | ||
| It's a lot of people listening that are 20 and retarded. | ||
| They're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? | ||
| Exactly, dude. | ||
| You're barely an adult. | ||
| Oh, you think about things you do at like 22 and you're like, I can't believe I'm the same human. | ||
| I can't believe I'm the same human. | ||
| But so this same party, this same progressive mindset that is so incredibly open-minded, but yet also so deeply embedded in academia, like far more than the right is. | ||
| This is the side that is willing to put aside all that they know about biology and psychology and physiology and children. | ||
| Put aside that. | ||
| A lot of people are. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| I don't want to lump anybody to the other. | ||
| Put aside that for progressive brownie points. | ||
| For saying that you are so incredibly open, like this child obviously knows that he is a she or she is a he, and we need to start addressing them as that, and this is just a fact. | ||
| Well, it's not just a fact. | ||
| It's a conversation that we should have, and I think it varies in individuals. | ||
| And I think there are some people that I have personally talked to that are transgender people that for sure are happier being a woman or a man, and they were born in what they feel is the wrong body. | ||
| Absolutely, 100% salute their right to go out and do that. | ||
| But we should have a real conversation as to how many people is that really happening to? | ||
| How many of these people have a psychological issue? | ||
| How many people, is there a physical trait that we're missing? | ||
| Is there some switch that gets flipped when they're young? | ||
| I mean, it's a fascinating aspect of human beings that you are one sex and wish you were another. | ||
| Right, and it seems strange to me that on the left the rules always seem to be, There's this topic, like, it's like the left's thing forever. | ||
| It's always like, we need to have a national conversation about race. | ||
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| But if you say the wrong thing, I want you ruined. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and it's the same thing with, like, the transgender thing. | ||
| It's like, they want to, like, it's like, we want to have a conversation about this. | ||
| They put this forward as, like, this is an issue we need to talk about. | ||
| And then also, by the way, you're not allowed to say anything. | ||
| So if you bring up the 40% suicide rate and say, maybe this isn't due to societal oppression, because there's no real link between societal oppression and high suicide rates... | ||
| Now you need to be fired or something. | ||
| But they say 40% of transgender people commit suicide. | ||
| And the people that want to support the idea that it's not any sort of a mental illness in any people. | ||
| And sure, it's not in some. | ||
| We're not generalizing. | ||
| But it must be in some, right? | ||
| The people that want to deny that say the reason why they are suicidal is because they don't get a chance to express their genuine, authentic self. | ||
| Which is a very good point. | ||
| So it's not that either or is right. | ||
| No, I'm open to the argument. | ||
| I am too. | ||
| I'm open to the argument that the 40% is possibly, it's maybe a combination of those two factors. | ||
| Maybe there's some people that are mentally ill that are suicidal in the first place and they hope that maybe becoming a woman would make them feel better and it didn't work out. | ||
| There's a whole website where people, I think it's called Transgender Regret or something like that, and it's all people that switched over and were like really upset that they did it and then realized it was like some strange phase they were going through or whatever. | ||
| And then, you know, there's people that I'm sure are suicidal because they want to be one way, and people just constantly shit on them, and bully them, and heckle them, and they... | ||
| That's what's causing them to be so deeply... | ||
| It's not like one or the other. | ||
| No, and I think in every individual case there's probably like a complex, you know, a complex set of, you know, different causing factors, you know, so yeah, I agree with that. | ||
| I just think it's like, no matter how... | ||
| Look, obviously I'm for... | ||
| Everyone owns their own body and should be able to do whatever they want to. | ||
| If you can find a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you, have whatever surgery you want to have. | ||
| And I think transgender people should have the freedom to do that. | ||
| Truthfully speaking, though, I don't really see anyone disagreeing with that. | ||
| Most people seem to agree. | ||
| But there are people that think it's a sickness and they absolutely shouldn't be allowed to. | ||
| But what is a sickness? | ||
| But it seems like that's pretty... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Like, even the people who are getting a lot of heat for, like, their stance on transgender issues. | ||
| Like, I've never heard Gavin McGinnis say it should be illegal. | ||
| I've never heard, like, Ben Shapiro say it should be illegal. | ||
| What they will say is that I'm not going to pretend that you're a woman. | ||
| I'm going to acknowledge that you have a Y chromosome. | ||
| And, like, that to me is like, okay, that has nothing to do with your freedom to have a surgery. | ||
| This guy has a freedom of thought to describe what's going on. | ||
| And it is kind of crazy. | ||
| Like, you said with the global warming thing, like... | ||
| It's like, yeah, the left prides themselves on being the science party. | ||
| Like, we believe in science. | ||
| Although the problem is that, and like, I try very hard to like, I wrap my head around all of these different issues, and I've read a decent amount on climate change, and it's pretty tough. | ||
| Pretty tough stuff. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| It's not like some of these other issues that are much easier to understand. | ||
| And I will say that about 90% of the people on the left who are like, have the science, they haven't looked into it. | ||
| They've just been told this is the science. | ||
| And they're like, oh great, now I get to bash people by having the science. | ||
| Because if you're gonna say you're the side that believes in science, I'm sorry. | ||
| To deny that there are biological facts Biological effects on gender is as anti-science as you can be. | ||
| Such a small fringe group that do make that distinction. | ||
| They think that there's no biological difference in the sexes. | ||
| And those people are really just crazy people that have pushed it so far. | ||
| They're so far left that they're in some crazy alternative reality. | ||
| There are a lot of those. | ||
| I look at it like the same way You know where, like, Scientologists have, like, their levels? | ||
| I look at, like, left-wing ideology. | ||
| It's like OTC or something like that? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Yeah, it's like the social justice warrior who's, like, out in the front lines, like, protesting Christina Hoff Summers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| She's, like, top-level left-wing mindset. | ||
| But there's a lot... | ||
| But, no, the idea that gender is a social construct... | ||
| Is pretty well accepted, I think, on the left. | ||
| And to me, that is insane. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| I think it's only accepted in a very fringe group, especially academics. | ||
| Maybe you're right. | ||
| And people in school that protest about it and people that are super active social justice warriors. | ||
| I think if you polled people whether or not they think there's a biological difference and you gave them three choices, yes, no, and duh, that most people would say, duh. | ||
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| Duh. | ||
| Here's the only thing I'll disagree. | ||
| I think you're 100% right if they were taking that test anonymously. | ||
| Anonymously. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think if they had to put their names behind it, I think you'd get a much different answer. | ||
| I think you're really right. | ||
| I talk to college professors. | ||
| My sister's a college professor. | ||
| I talk to her friends. | ||
| I talk to other people. | ||
| A lot of them will come up to me, and it's almost like this thing at a dinner table. | ||
| It's like, get close and be like, hey. | ||
| Just so you know, I really agree with you on like a lot of stuff and I'm not you know like it'll be like the people who they're for the one Jordan Peterson Who by the way a guy like Jordan Peterson really does beg the question? | ||
| Why aren't there more Jordan Peterson's like why is it just you and five other people? | ||
| Why are there not more professors and the reason is because they're all intimidated look at all the shit He's had to deal with yeah, they're all intimidated by that Brett Weinstein who's a super progressive guy I mean he's way left And he got shamed, and he got, like, literally threatened. | ||
| I mean, and now he just won a lawsuit, though. | ||
| He just got paid. | ||
| He won $500,000. | ||
| We had him on, like, right after Evergreen College had a shutdown, and kids were patrolling the fucking parking lot with baseball bats looking for him. | ||
| Like, it was, like, really crazy. | ||
| Crazy stuff. | ||
| Yeah, man, it's insane. | ||
| Really crazy stuff that the left, I mean, imagine if that was coming from the right. | ||
| You would start calling them Nazis, you'd start calling them white supremacists, you'd start calling them thugs. | ||
| But on the left, they conveniently ignore the same types of behavior patterns. | ||
| Oh my god, it's so unbelievable. | ||
| Like, the double standard of, like, Dude, well, look, so you have, like, the thing that happened in Charlottesville, right, where you have, like, I mean, a few hundred people marched, and I guess there were dozens of them, at least, who were, like, wearing Nazi gear, which is, you know, don't get me wrong, I mean, it's pretty... | ||
| Like, eye-opening and like, holy shit! | ||
| It's like disturbing and kind of very interesting to me that anyone in 2017 in America is putting a swastika on. | ||
| Not only that, these dumb fucks got together in public, lit their face with torches so everybody could take video and photos of them, and marched through the street together, yelling like blood and soil and all sorts of weird fucking shit. | ||
| What were the quotes? | ||
| Do you remember what the quotes were? | ||
| The Jews will not replace us was one. | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck is that? | ||
| As a Jewish person, I've never felt more empowered in my life than the Jews will not replace us. | ||
| What an unbelievable... | ||
| I've never even entertained the idea of replacing anybody. | ||
| And then when they were like, the Jews will not replace us, I was like, I think we can replace these motherfuckers. | ||
| They're scared. | ||
| They're worried about it. | ||
| Let's make a move, Jews. | ||
| Let's go replace these Charlottesville. | ||
| How many people were there that protested? | ||
| A few hundred. | ||
| I think between three and four hundred. | ||
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| That's it. | ||
| It looked like a good-sized crowd. | ||
| Like, I'd be psyched if they came to see me. | ||
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Right. | |
| If I walked into that on the road, I'd be like, all right, not bad. | ||
| That was the line to get into the theater? | ||
| You're like, oh, we're doing good tonight. | ||
| And they'd be like, it's pretty white supremacy in here. | ||
| It's not candidly in here. | ||
| They're really, uh... | ||
| I mean, at first I thought it was well lit. | ||
| Can they bring their tiki torches inside or no? | ||
| If they stick them in the dirt outside, is somebody going to watch those fires? | ||
| And how do you know which torch is yours? | ||
| We got a guy. | ||
| We have numbers. | ||
| We got it all figured out. | ||
| You get a cheap-ass Walmart torch when you had a nice Home Depot torch. | ||
| You put a good, solidly constructed American Home Depot choice, and some dude stole your shit and left you with some made-in-Chinese bullshit. | ||
| WTO bullshit. | ||
| And it's probably just good enough that you get halfway through the march before you're like, wait a minute. | ||
| You look up and you see Made in China. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| I knew this felt light. | ||
| You used to have a little American flag underneath you, a little metal bonnet. | ||
| Let's get real. | ||
| They were all made in China. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| There's not a big market for tiki torches. | ||
| But anyway, I was saying, but these guys, like, I mean, nobody, even like people who are real far out on the right wing, who are like pretty, you know, considered, you know, like whoever, like Ben Shapiro, who's being protested by these guys, he doesn't associate with any of those guys. | ||
| He's disgusted by them. | ||
| Gavin McGinnis won't associate with any of these guys. | ||
| He's disgusted by them. | ||
| These guys can't even speak at their own rallies. | ||
| They don't come to, the right wing does a, I think, a fairly decent job at just being like, no, we're not, we're not even associated. | ||
| Don't you think that Trump It did not denounce them correctly? | ||
| Well, no, I don't think so. | ||
| I mean, look, from what I saw, I actually thought it was a weird reaction to what Trump said. | ||
| So what I'm saying is, I see this going on here with this one thing that happened in Charlottesville, right? | ||
| And I haven't seen too much Nazi stuff outside of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| On the internet, but I mean like in terms of margins. | ||
| But what about his response? | ||
| Let me just make this point, because I want to address what you're saying. | ||
| But so then, this happened, this one limited, this one thing with a few hundred people in Charlottesville happened. | ||
| The media goes fucking nuts, like this is the biggest thing that's ever happened. | ||
| On the other side, on the left-wing side, everywhere that someone tries to have a free speech rally, Everywhere, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders wants to speak. | ||
| Like, Condoleezza Rice can't speak. | ||
| Like, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders gets shut down, and there is this mob, okay, called Antifa, who actively go after assaulting people. | ||
| And this isn't just Nazis. | ||
| They go after Trump supporters or anyone who disagrees with them. | ||
| They wear hammer and sickle flags, which is, you know, representing an ideology that killed more people than the Nazis. | ||
| So, you know, let's put them both on the level of, like, genocidal, horrible groups. | ||
| However, this one group on the left is going everywhere across the country and are given comfort and aid by college professors. | ||
| And mayors. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And when it's brought up, and it's actually backed up by things like 40% of millennials in a Chicago University study say they don't believe in free speech for hate speech, which basically means you don't believe in free speech. | ||
| You've got about 40% of millennials who don't believe in free speech. | ||
| Yeah, because then you have to define hate speech, and that's where things get slippery. | ||
| And what you might call hate speech is so different from me. | ||
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| What you might call hate speech is me saying that I don't want to call a transgender woman a her. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that has been labeled hate speech. | ||
| That's a microaggression. | ||
| So it's like, once you define that, it's like, oh, you can punch a Nazi, but by the way, everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi. | ||
| So I'm against hate speech, and by the way, anything I don't like, I'm offended by is hate speech. | ||
| The whole idea of freedom of speech is to protect unpopular speech. | ||
| It's not there so we can talk about things that don't offend you. | ||
| Obviously, no one has a problem with that. | ||
| But so you have this on the left with this mass problem, and then the media demands that everyone on the right denounce this non-existent thing. | ||
| But it's not a non-existent thing. | ||
| What was disturbing was seeing hundreds of people walking down the street with torches, yelling out racist things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And the only thing that was differentiating, their idea was so much more stupid than the free speech idea. | ||
| Because their idea was just to differentiate people based on how much melanin is in their skin and what part of the planet their ancestors came from. | ||
| That's one of the dumbest fucking ideas in human history. | ||
| So what you have is this river of dum-dums walking down the street. | ||
| And the president doesn't say that. | ||
| The president doesn't say, he's the guy that's running the country, right? | ||
| He doesn't say, hey, this is the lowest form of stupidity that we know of with humans. | ||
| The lowest form of stupidity is to accept everyone that looks like you. | ||
| This is so fucking stupid. | ||
| You're pretending that someone has any power whatsoever over where they were born, their national origin, who their parents were. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| You don't have any fucking power over that. | ||
| So you're putting all the power in things you have zero control with. | ||
| That means you're a fucking loser, alright? | ||
| And that means the only thing that you got to bank on is this white skin that you didn't even work for. | ||
| Yeah, this is the group that you're lumping everybody together with and you don't know. | ||
| Do you not know any great black people? | ||
| Do you not know any great Hispanic or Latino people? | ||
| You don't know any? | ||
| Well, then you need to get the fuck out of your neighborhood. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| You're just talking out of ignorance. | ||
| But I think that applies to that thing you're saying about kind of being like a loser and then grasping to some collective because you don't have anything in your own, you know, story to really cling to or your own life. | ||
| I agree with you, but that's I mean I think that applies to people who get into this identity bullshit on all sides. | ||
| I agree with you as well. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I mean, for very— We're talking about the president, though. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But I just think, to me, what he said, from what I see, was, like, he did call out those guys. | ||
| He did say it was, like, disgusting, but what people were upset about is that he said there were bad people on both sides. | ||
| Well, did you ever see, like, Stormfront's reaction to Trump's speech? | ||
| That he never criticized white supremacy, and they were saying it was very good, very positive overall, and he said that there was problems on both sides and bad people on both sides. | ||
| Well, I did see videos. | ||
| Which implied that Antifa was bad also, and they were saying, God bless Donald Trump. | ||
| Okay, so this is what I saw from videos that I saw, because I have learned, and we could go through this forever, that I don't trust the mainstream media at all. | ||
| They're completely full of shit. | ||
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| Sure, no, I'm not saying that person is necessarily corrupt. | ||
| It could have been an embedded reporter that just wanted to write a story. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But from the videos that I saw, like videos of what was going on there, it's like, yeah, I saw all the stuff you're talking about, like the tiki torches, the Jews will not replace us, swastikas, all that really, you know, garbage. | ||
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| And then I also saw, like, David Duke and Richard Spencer and all these guys who are kind of like, I mean, Richard Spencer, I think, is a white nationalist. | ||
| David Duke has been around forever, you know, is a bigoted guy who had an almost successful run for governor, I think, at one point in Louisiana, but, you know, has been around forever. | ||
| Now, I find a lot of both of their ideas fucked up and offensive. | ||
| But they got a permit. | ||
| And were there to speak. | ||
| And this was the next day. | ||
| The night before, they were out doing all that crazy shit that we were talking about. | ||
| And then I did see this video of groups of people who were forced out when they cancelled the speech. | ||
| Forced out through an Antifa mob. | ||
| And a bunch of them getting tear gassed and rocks thrown at them and shit like that. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, as disgusting as white supremacy may be, or national socialism, particularly to me, someone whose family was fucking slaughtered by them, I believe in freedom of speech. | ||
| So I do think to some degree, I just get where Trump is being... | ||
| I guess what I'm just sympathetic to is that he's being raked over the coals for calling out both sides instead of just calling out one side. | ||
| Whereas everyone on the left is silent about this Antifa group. | ||
| It just started getting press, actually covered in a fair way in the mainstream media. | ||
| But it's everywhere. | ||
| Well, I think the idea of Antifa, though, is to react to people they disagree with who are speaking, right? | ||
| This is their idea. | ||
| Versus the idea of right supremacists to walk down the street and denounce other weaker races and get together as this big group with torches. | ||
| And then people protest them and there's violence. | ||
| I think you've got to address the root of the idea of it as a representative of all the people of the United States. | ||
| The root of the idea of it is that It's okay to be a white racist. | ||
| And, you know, there's a lot of people that say, what about brown pride? | ||
| How come Cain Velasquez has brown pride tattooed on his fucking chest? | ||
| If you don't know the difference between a guy who is born of immigrants that literally his dad walked from Mexico You know, I mean, this is... | ||
| He's first generation. | ||
| I mean, you're... | ||
| Or second generation, I guess. | ||
| His dad was first generation? | ||
| How's it work? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's first generation American. | ||
| Because his dad was from Mexico. | ||
| I mean, this is a... | ||
| It's a different... | ||
| I mean, they came here to try to get a better life because they got a shit roll of the dice. | ||
| They were born in Mexico. | ||
| And he wanted out. | ||
| And he wanted better for his family. | ||
| So they took a chance to come here. | ||
| When he has brown pride tattooed on his... | ||
| He's not saying, like... | ||
| You know, they're gonna dominate and the Jews will not replace us. | ||
| He's saying, I'm proud to be a Mexican. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| When you say you're proud to be a Mexican, for whatever reason, and I don't know why, it doesn't mean you hate white people. | ||
| It doesn't mean you hate black people. | ||
| It means you have pride in your heritage. | ||
| When you have white pride... | ||
| For whatever reason, I don't know why, but our thought is that you hate other races. | ||
| Like if you're a white nationalist, like you love white people, people look at you like you're a piece of shit, and you're a racist, and you think black people are inferior, and you think Mexican people, and Asian people, and American Indians, you think they're all inferior. | ||
| That's how we look at it. | ||
| If you have black pride, we look at you as a strong person who's resisting this really fucked up society that has brought your ancient ancestors over from Africa and enslaved your people and literally marginalized everyone who looks like you and you are there to fight against that. | ||
| Yeah, well, but it's kind of strange in a way. | ||
| Like, even as you say it, it's kind of strange that we think of one this way and the other that way. | ||
| I do think, like, I get that. | ||
| I certainly get the point that, like, Cain Velasquez tattooing brown pride on his skin, given his story, is a very different thing than tattooing white pride on your skin because you're, like, a neo-Nazi or something like that. | ||
| Well, Cain was the UFC heavyweight champion, and it never came up. | ||
| He's arguably the greatest UFC heavyweight in history. | ||
| Oh, it only came up in the fact that they were like, oh, we're gonna sell numbers in Mexico City. | ||
| Brown pride. | ||
| And they did, and he lost the belt there. | ||
| Well, he shouldn't have used brown. | ||
| It's a fucking English word. | ||
| People are like, what the fuck, bro? | ||
| What's the word brown in Spanish? | ||
| What's the word pride in Spanish? | ||
| I guarantee you it ain't brown pride. | ||
| If you go over there and you go, I got brown pride, they go, what? | ||
| What'd you say? | ||
| So it weirdly symbolizes how American he is. | ||
| Orgulo marron. | ||
| That's how you say it. | ||
| That's what it should say. | ||
| That's what it should say, Cain! | ||
| Fuck, Cain! | ||
| I can't wait to see that guy fighting. | ||
| I hope he can heal up. | ||
| Yeah, he's had a lot of injuries, right? | ||
| Back injuries, yeah. | ||
| And just his whole career, he's had a lot of injuries. | ||
| But he's been, yeah, like you said, maybe the best heavyweight ever. | ||
| But I just wanted to say, to what you were saying, like, I do, I get that. | ||
| I get the difference. | ||
| And I think that's a very, very valid point. | ||
| But, like, there is this thing. | ||
| Like, the idea of... | ||
| White people embracing identity politics the way the left has kind of embraced identity politics. | ||
| Oh, it does in some sick way seem like the natural logical progression if you want to accept what the left wing believes. | ||
| And then you're like, okay, well, you look at the demographics. | ||
| White people are becoming a minority in this country in the future. | ||
| And this is how you kind of have... | ||
| Like, I get the point you're making, but at the same time, it's a bit of a weird setup that the left has where, like, everyone else is allowed to say these things except white people. | ||
| Like, political correctness kind of only applies We're going to put everything you say under a fine-tooth comb, but somebody else could say whatever they want. | ||
| It gets to a cartoonish point where you have Ice Cube lecturing Bill Maher about making a joke, and actually, unironically, while he's promoting his gangster rap album, sitting there going, now what made you think it was cool to say that, Bill Maher? | ||
| And it's like, motherfucker, you made Cop Killer! | ||
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| He was cop killer. | ||
| Now I'm racist. | ||
| Fuck the police was NWA. Sorry, they both didn't like cops, is my point. | ||
| But I'm just saying like he makes, you know what's really funny is he calls Eazy-E a house nigga on that album. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He uses the same insult actually toward another black guy. | ||
| Not as a joke, not as a self-deprecating joke the way Bill Maher used it, but in the worst way you could insult Another black guy, he uses it. | ||
| So I just think there is this weird dynamic on the left where it's like their rhetoric is so anti-white and so anti-male that I almost sit there and I go like, man, if you guys think Charlottesville is ugly, you're going to create a lot more of this. | ||
| I was sitting at my sister's place a couple weeks ago and talking with a few of her left-wing professors, and my sister's got, like, she's a college professor, she's got this big, like, bookshelf up behind the, you know, like, behind the table, like, lots of books, and I just looked over and there was a Michael Moore book from the 90s called Stupid White Men. | ||
| And you just look at it and you're like, oh, yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's why they're all angry. | ||
| People don't like being the bad guy their whole life. | ||
| Can you imagine if a black guy wrote a book called Stupid Black Men? | ||
| They would come at him so hard. | ||
| That sounds like something Larry Elder might write, but with a more eloquent title. | ||
| Here's what's wrong with some stupid black men. | ||
| If a black guy wrote a book that was like, oh, you know, all white people aren't stupid, they'd be like, Uncle Tom. | ||
| Right away, it's like, oh, you sell out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's racist. | ||
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| We just don't like to think it's racist because it's about white people and generally white people don't have to deal with racism nearly as much as other races, so we allow it to be okay. | ||
| It's also sexist. | ||
| There's a big thing that's going on now, especially lately, where women think it's okay to say all white cis men are trash. | ||
| I mean, it's so fucking common. | ||
| It is such a crazy generalization to say that all men or all white men are terrible and they're horrible trash until they prove otherwise. | ||
| And it's so fucking contradictory. | ||
| But they feel like it's okay to say that. | ||
| But it so contradicts everything they've supposedly believed in. | ||
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Right. | |
| So like, you know, if there's like a Muslim terrorist event, and then somebody lumps that into like radical, or you know, lumps that into all Muslims, people on the left will lose their mind. | ||
| Like, how can you lump the whole group in with what this one bad guy did? | ||
| And then they turn around and lecture white people about like the evils of history. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But forget, if we just stop saying left and right, don't you think that what this is is just human beings doing that team thing, you know? | ||
| And once you start adopting the rules and the patterns of the team, whether you're a Wisconsin cheesehead or you're a Boston Red Sox fan or whatever the fuck it is that you're into, you get in this, like, you've ever heard those Vikings chant where they're... | ||
| They get the whole stadium, like a thousand people, and they clap their hands together. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing, right? | ||
| But obviously, that is a groupthink sort of a situation. | ||
| And they all gear together. | ||
| And they all support this behavior that makes them feel good that they're a part of this group. | ||
| And I think people do that whenever they support right-wing causes. | ||
| And I think people do that whenever they support left-wing causes. | ||
| And what the right and the left are... | ||
| It's essentially just frameworks that we can fit in our ideologies and our mind and our needs and all of our social and emotional requirements, and we can fit them into these patterns that we follow. | ||
| And when anybody opposes the structure that we've adopted as reality, then we fight with bike locks and fucking pepper-spraying girls with Trump hats on. | ||
| And, you know, you find all sorts of... | ||
| Insane justifications for racism, sexism, all sorts of crazy shit that if it would happen to anyone else other than the person that you're opposing, you would think of it as being a horrible front to everything that you stand for. | ||
| But as long as it's a white man, who cares? | ||
| Hit him in the head with a bike lock. | ||
| Imagine if it was a black woman that this professor was disagreeing with and he stepped up and he hit her in the head with a bike lock. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| When you see someone who does that from Antifa, it is exactly the same as that redneck who pulls out his gun and shoots at that black guy who's holding a torch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is all the same thing. | ||
| Well, I also... | ||
| No, I mean, you're right. | ||
| And it's like there are shocking similarities between the extreme left and the extreme right or, you know, whatever. | ||
| You know, these teams. | ||
| And I agree with you completely. | ||
| I think it's all this tribal team groupthink bullshit, kind of. | ||
| To a large degree outgrown, but that still kind of haunts us and is still with us. | ||
| I don't think they've outgrown it in universities, and that's part of the issue. | ||
| That's why this is all happening at UC Berkeley. | ||
| That's why you're seeing it all throughout the country in these universities. | ||
| Because in universities, first of all, you have a bunch of people. | ||
| Let's try to be as honest and objective as possible. | ||
| First of all, you have a bunch of people that are seeking knowledge. | ||
| You have young people that are idealistic, that want to change the world, that want to stand out as being better. | ||
| They want a virtue signal. | ||
| They want to do all the crazy things that they can to be something great. | ||
| And there's other ones that want to get laid, and there's other ones that want to manipulate, and they still don't know who they are, they still don't know how to behave. | ||
| Then you have these professors, and a lot of these professors went through this process, and then after they went through this process, they got their PhD, they wrote, and then they started teaching. | ||
| And so they have never been outside the hallowed halls of academia since the time they were like 19. They've been going through the whole system. | ||
| And some of them do it and they do it with balance and they figure out who they are and they take great pride in the fact that they can mold these young minds and give them information. | ||
| And some of them are incredibly broken people who are never sexually viable when they were young and now they're in a position of power. | ||
| And they virtue signal to a sickening degree. | ||
| And you see them standing up for women above all else. | ||
| Which is what happened with this whole Betsy DeVos thing. | ||
| They're trying to push due process in the case of these sexual assault cases on campus. | ||
| And people are resisting due process. | ||
| People are resisting guilty until proven innocent. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| And I'm sorry, like, and I don't mean to also, like, you know, like, keep harping on this kind of left versus right thing, but it's hard for me. | ||
| I almost want, like, some term to, like, define, but this left side of, like, on college campuses, this group, their position is simultaneously, I mean, it's really quite amazing, their position is that, and this is what basically what was just repealed now, but this is what the guidelines under Obama basically did on college campuses, they said, okay, there's no due process for men who are accused of rape. | ||
| Oh, and by the way, And this isn't in the legislation. | ||
| This is just the cultural punch. | ||
| But so there's no due process for men accused of rape. | ||
| And by the way, everything is rape. | ||
| Everything is rape. | ||
| Everything is rape. | ||
| Every guy you've ever met is a serial rapist. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you had anything to drink, by the way, the man is not responsible, or the man is responsible, the woman is not. | ||
| So they both had three beers. | ||
| I mean, you've probably taken 90% at least of the pool of what Men and women in America previously considered good guys. | ||
| Forget even, like, rapists. | ||
| Good men. | ||
| Like, just the guys who you think are good people. | ||
| Like, consider it. | ||
| 90% of them are probably serial rapists. | ||
| Have you heard a story from the University of Amherst? | ||
| It's one of the most ridiculous ones. | ||
| We're this guy suing now, and he has gone through hell for the last couple years. | ||
| But it was a kid who was a student from Nigeria, and some girl who was in his class, and they hooked up, and they got together, and apparently they were slightly intoxicated, I think, on marijuana. | ||
| The girl gave the guy a blowjob, and then she wanted to stop, and he was trying to get her to do it again, and she said no, and so they ended it. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| She talked to her friends. | ||
| They decided that she had been sexually assaulted because he was trying to get her, come on, please. | ||
| You know, I don't know what he said. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he was like, suck a bitch. | ||
| But that would be enough in this world. | ||
| That would be enough. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck he said. | ||
| I don't know what the scenario was. | ||
| But I do know that it was essentially an awkward sexual exchange between young people. | ||
| Which is just a part of being a young person who's having sex. | ||
| When you're a person and you're 18 years old or whatever they were and you're in college and you're having sex and you're in some sort of a sexual scenario with a new person, how long have you been doing that? | ||
| Three years? | ||
| How good are you at it? | ||
| You're probably fucking terrible at it. | ||
| You're probably awkward as shit. | ||
| You're probably weird around women. | ||
| You can't believe they like you. | ||
| You don't know why they like you. | ||
| Maybe you're confused. | ||
| Maybe you think you have to act a certain way. | ||
| Finding yourself through that adolescent period. | ||
| Yeah, and like you said before, you actually do not have a fully developed brain. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's a different, and forget even in sex and stuff like that, there's just things, how many things did you do at 20 where you'd look back and go, oh, what a douchey thing that was to do. | ||
| Like, that's not how you treat someone. | ||
| So this young guy, I think he was 19 at the time, somewhere in the college age, whatever it was, he's fucked. | ||
| They kicked him out of school. | ||
| They labeled him some sort of a sexual predator. | ||
| And he's in this terrible position where now he's suing the school, but it's going to take a long time before anything gets resolved. | ||
| And, you know, we don't know the whole story of the case. | ||
| But if the case is as he's representing it and as no one said he held her down, no one said he tried to rape her, no one said he threatened violence, no one said anything like that. | ||
| Her version of the story is that they had some sort of a willing sexual encounter and she just didn't want to go any further and he asked her to and she said no and then it ended. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That is a normal, that's just part of being a young person. | ||
| That's just part of being a young person having sex, especially if you're intoxicated. | ||
| Is it a good idea to have sex intoxicated? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I've done it a bunch. | ||
| I'm sure you have too. | ||
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A lot of fun. | |
| Most people have. | ||
| Yeah, stop pretending you haven't done it. | ||
| Stop pretending that a lot... | ||
| Look, there's all sorts of mistakes you make when you're drunk. | ||
| Why are they so much bigger if it's sex? | ||
| And there's something about just using the word rape. | ||
| I mean, it's like, look, rape is a particularly... | ||
| horrific cutting word because of what a horrific crime it is and then to try to make everything else like it's literally I mean the extent they go it's almost like you know it's like if you if you punch someone in the arm and they go you committed arm murder or something like that it's like no you can't just you can't just throw that word at everything yeah I mean everybody wants to get rid of rapists it's worse than that because at least that's an assault At least it's an actual egregious offense. | ||
| If you're talking about people having sex while they're drunk, there's no crime. | ||
| So it would be like calling a glance murder. | ||
| I mean, it's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's the idea of microaggressions. | ||
| This is the whole thing that underpins the philosophy, which I find really terrifying, is that the idea of microaggression or social justice. | ||
| It's like you take these terms like aggression or justice, that meant something. | ||
| And now you've made them mean the opposite of what they mean. | ||
| A microaggression is not an aggression, inherently. | ||
| It's not an aggression. | ||
| No, no, it's a normal part of human communication. | ||
| You say something to me and I go like this, and I walk away. | ||
| That's what people do, okay? | ||
| That's a microaggression. | ||
| And this is why I find it to be such the issue of our time. | ||
| I almost forget. | ||
| It's not the issue I necessarily wanted to be the issue of our time. | ||
| I was hoping it would be like embracing libertarianism full on or something. | ||
| But it just seems to be like, are you for free speech or against free speech? | ||
| And free speech is such a prereq for everything. | ||
| It's a prerequisite for everything about the society we live in. | ||
| And everything, particularly what you do, what I do, everything we do. | ||
| What I love in life is comedy and truth. | ||
| And you can't have either of those without free speech. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| You can't have this conversation without free speech. | ||
| We couldn't have this conversation if we were on a state-sponsored program. | ||
| If we were on a corporate-sponsored program, we likely couldn't have this conversation without being interrupted or being lectured to or having some conversation with someone who says, hey, you can't say the word nigger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're not allowed to say it. | ||
| Forget about what Bill Maher did it. | ||
| Don't say that noise with your mouth. | ||
| Not calling someone it, not saying you are one, you know? | ||
| And like, no one can go, but that's fucking retarded. | ||
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It's words. | |
| That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| But that's, well, this is the rule, and this is how everybody operates. | ||
| And there's a thing where it's not, I mean, it's not, if we're living in a world of, I can't commit a microaggression, I can't go down a path that might offend anybody, You need that freedom in order to find anything interesting. | ||
| There's nothing worth saying if you're living in this world where you're like, oh, I can't get outside of this box. | ||
| So I find that to be very just... | ||
| It's, like, very dangerous. | ||
| And I feel like people in America, it's almost like we've had it too good for too long, that people are removed from the fact that we can lose all this shit. | ||
| It's like there's no respect for, like, what we have, how much higher a standard of living we live than the vast, you know, most humans that are alive today, and the vast majority of humans who have ever existed. | ||
| I mean, I get this from a Jordan Peterson lecture, but he said it was in 1895, the average American lived on a dollar a day, adjusted for modern inflation. | ||
| So in 1895, you know, it's like Central Asia-level poverty. | ||
| In America. | ||
| And that's just everyone before that. | ||
| Living in back-breaking poverty was, like, just life. | ||
| That was just all of life. | ||
| And it's like, we figured something out in these last less than 200 years. | ||
| You know, like, we figured something—or a little more than 200 years—we figured something out—wait, what am I saying? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Less than 200 years. | ||
| We figured something out in this industrial revolution that, like, now lets us live up here on this—and it's like, we can lose that. | ||
| And a lot of it had to do with freedom. | ||
| The whole thing to me is freedom. | ||
| The whole thing is that we embrace... | ||
| Look, if you look in the year... | ||
| You had on your show Thaddeus Russell, who's great. | ||
| I just did his podcast recently. | ||
| He put it this way, where he goes, you know, in the year 1800... | ||
| Because I was talking about what an incredible thing the 19th century was and how it transformed humanity. | ||
| And he goes, in the year 1800, Americans are all making their own clothes. | ||
| In the year 1900, Americans are shopping at Macy's. | ||
| If you had sat in the year 1845 and been like, dude, in the next 65 years, slavery is going to be abolished in the West and we're going to have an industrial revolution. | ||
| It's like magic. | ||
| And that's why we live the way we live today. | ||
| And no one is even interested in that story. | ||
| Why do we have this much wealth? | ||
| And like what you said, I think it's all about freedom. | ||
| And when you have a guy like Bernie Sanders who harps on and on about income inequality, I have a real issue with that because it's one of those blanket statements that sounds really good at a campaign speech, but freedom itself breeds income inequality. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because freedom means you can do whatever you want. | ||
| You can do very little, or you can work like a maniac. | ||
| Well, if you're going to work like a maniac, if here's the game, okay? | ||
| You do something for that something, you get currency, you use that currency to buy things, or to make sure you don't have to work again, buy food and goods and take trips and travel. | ||
| The more you work, the more you decide that you want to pursue something, the more chances you have to acquire that currency if you do it correctly. | ||
| That is income inequality due to freedom. | ||
| I mean, take away all the other factors that might be in play, whether it's racial discrimination or sexual discrimination. | ||
| I'm not denying that those things exist. | ||
| But what I am saying is that the idea that you are going to have income equality in a capitalist society where anybody can do whatever they want, you know people. | ||
| That is so counter to what we know about human behavior. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You're talking about a fantasy person who doesn't exist, who has motivations outside of wealth, outside of, you know, most people want some sort of reward for what they do. | ||
| And if everybody gets the same amount, there's no fucking reward for working extra hard. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And you're not going to get Microsoft. | ||
| You're not going to get IBM. You're not going to get Apple. | ||
| I mean, it's not just. | ||
| I mean, they talk about fairness a lot, which is a strange concept, but it's not just that somebody works twice as hard and doesn't get more. | ||
| I mean, that's not the right thing to do. | ||
| But like what you were saying, and I just think it's like they use the term so much, but what's misleading about it, you're absolutely right that freedom breeds inequality, but what's misleading about it is by that people think like the poor get poorer. | ||
| And that is objectively false, demonstrably false. | ||
| It's not that they make it out like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, like that old saying, but it's like, if you think it through, that can't really continue like that. | ||
| You're always going to have poor, you're always going to have rich, but if the poor work hard and figure they have a possibility to escape whatever economic situation they're in, it is possible with freedom. | ||
| And homeless people here live better than rich people in third world countries, or certainly at least better than average people in third world countries. | ||
| So it's not just that the inequality grows, it's like everything moves up and the inequality grows up here. | ||
| This is what I can't understand, and again it's like what I was saying before, if you have any concept of the fact that we're by far the richest, freest human beings who have ever existed in recorded human history, at least recorded, Human history. | ||
| Who knows what is going on in ancient Egypt? | ||
| Or before ancient Egypt. | ||
| But if you realize that we have this incredible amount, then it's like, yeah. | ||
| It's like just being like, oh, we need all of these policies to give handouts to poor people. | ||
| It's like, well, actually... | ||
| Let's continue this train of getting richer and richer and richer, which is not at all... | ||
| People like Bernie Sanders, man, it's like... | ||
| Well, it's a hustle. | ||
| Bernie's got a hustle going on. | ||
| Yeah, he's full of shit. | ||
| You find out it's a hustle when you find out he's got a bunch of houses. | ||
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| And his wife tried to buy up all this fucking land to expand a university that she was running. | ||
| She killed the whole fucking school. | ||
| Like, you got greedy. | ||
| How about the fact that the motherfucker... | ||
| And we haven't seen... | ||
| So first off he he made a million dollars off a book on how it's wrong to be a millionaire I mean, it's like how are you not? | ||
| How can anyone look at you like as a serious leader when you did that? | ||
| So he's saying what people want to hear and there is something some truth to some of the things that he's saying I think that it would the world would be a better place if we had more social programs in place. | ||
| I think I think the world would be a better place if colleges were free. | ||
| Disagree with like the thought behind that I think they're all of these things would be better suited in voluntary Arrangements than some forced government monopoly, but I do agree with you that like sure I'd like great schools to be very affordable or free if possible I'd like everyone to be and Bernie Sanders certainly addressed some very real problems Yeah, | ||
| like he would point things out that were very real like he would be like you know They claim it's a great recovery, but you know 90% of the new wealth has gone to the top three percent You know like he'd have some points Jackie Mason I only do one New York Jew, and that has to apply to every New York Jew who's out there. | ||
| And I don't care if Bernie Sanders makes a million dollars, but there's something, like, number one, making a million dollars while claiming it's kind of a moral issue that some people have so much while others have so little. | ||
| Endorsing Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I mean, I just don't know how you can look at the guy who goes, the problem is income inequality and the banking cartel. | ||
| But I'm going to vote for the candidate of the big banks. | ||
| To me, that's insane. | ||
| To me, it would be if Ron Paul endorsed McCain. | ||
| Well, don't you think the big banks sort of were on both teams? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't know if they were on Trump's team, but they've certainly been on every other team besides that. | ||
| But they are now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Most certainly. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's not even like the teams. | ||
| They run the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve. | ||
| They run the whole system. | ||
| But the fact that Bernie Sanders never had a fiery speech about what happened at the DNC, about how they literally conspired to ruin him and to take him out of the race with Hillary, because the DNC wanted Hillary to be the candidate. | ||
| They literally sabotaged Oh, they were very open. | ||
| I mean, I shouldn't say they were very open about that. | ||
| Openly, they lied and said, we don't have a pick. | ||
| But the leaks that were weaponized were, I mean, really, some of it. | ||
| Russia did it. | ||
| Russia ruined everything. | ||
| I actually saw, I actually remember, it was one of the most surreal, and I'm a guy who's always preaching about how full of shit the media is, but even I've, like this last year, that'll give the Trump moment credit, even I've been like, holy shit, I can't believe it. | ||
| But I was watching CNN and they were playing clips from a Hillary Clinton interview and talking about it. | ||
| And Hillary Clinton was claiming that Vladimir Putin weaponized information against Hillary Clinton. | ||
| And they're discussing this. | ||
| And they never mentioned that the information is on CNN. | ||
| They're breaking down this piece. | ||
| And they never mentioned that the information that was weaponized was that CNN leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton before the debate questions. | ||
| Like, you know, they sit here talking about undermining democracy for a month. | ||
| What could do more to undermine democracy than the debate, the things that people actually watch and vote on in America? | ||
| They gave Hillary Clinton the questions that were asked at the debate. | ||
| We know for a fact two. | ||
| I'm sure there were more. | ||
| But we know two questions were given to her and that they were both asked. | ||
| And Hillary Clinton takes them! | ||
| Doesn't have a problem, doesn't have a moral issue with that, just takes them and pretends she's hearing the questions for the first time. | ||
| And the show that I'm watching talk about this on CNN, that's talking about the weaponized information and not mentioning what the information was, the show is called Reliable Sources. | ||
| It's a show where they break down the media. | ||
| It's surreal to be watching. | ||
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And then those same guys in CNN go, we've got an epidemic of fake news on the internet. | |
| And you're like, man, I don't know if I'm living through a fucking simulation or what, but this is some nutty shit. | ||
| Well, it's also so obvious when you watch the strategies play out. | ||
| Like, for people who don't remember, Hillary Clinton, before she ran against Trump, was running against Barack Obama. | ||
| And when she was running against Barack Obama, one of the things she did was she positioned herself as to be right of center. | ||
| So, more right... | ||
| So one of the things that she did was she was publicly stating that gay marriage was wrong. | ||
| She was publicly stating that she believes that marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. | ||
| And that was her way of positioning herself to the right of Obama. | ||
| Like she would appeal to all the religious nuts. | ||
| Well, Obama, by the way... | ||
| I'm okay with going left because I don't want no more war in Iraq, but these fags marrying each other and butt-fucking is just a... | ||
| Me and Gary have been married for 25 years. | ||
| You think it's right that they get to be the same thing we are under Christ? | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
| Well, just to be fair, Obama was also against gay marriage in that election, but she absolutely, you're right. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| How did he say it? | ||
| He did the same thing. | ||
| These motherfuckers, until it's like 51% approval rating, then all of a sudden they come to Jesus. | ||
| I think they need 53. Yeah, it's like, right when it starts being a wedge issue, we can use. | ||
| You know, right when Obama's going, oh, we need re-election, and I didn't end any of these wars, and Gitmo's still open. | ||
| It's like if you were a comic, but the only way you could work is if somebody gave you an earpiece and they fed you great lines. | ||
| Like, you couldn't just ad-lib yourself. | ||
| Like, if you were doing this podcast, and while you're doing this podcast, Big J's over in the corner, feeding you lines through one of your earpieces, right? | ||
| There's a team of guys, you know? | ||
| There's a few other guys in the background. | ||
| They're running research on it. | ||
| Jamie's over there constantly Googling. | ||
| They're focus grouping. | ||
| And you have a screen in front of you. | ||
| Howard Stern used to have that with Jackie the Joke Man. | ||
| This is way back in the day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He'd see the jokes? | ||
| Yeah, what he did was he had a thing where you would write on like an overhead projector. | ||
| It was like a thing. | ||
| It was like a camera and he would see the video of it on his side. | ||
| He would see the picture. | ||
| So you had a funny line. | ||
| You would write down the funny line and you would put it on the projector and Howard would get it on his screen. | ||
| And that's one of the things that Jackie the Joke Man did. | ||
| He was great at one-liners and things along those lines. | ||
| He knew a lot of jokes. | ||
| And so he would give Howard really funny things to say, and he would juice it up. | ||
| And I did the Jackie chair for a couple times when Jackie the Joke Man quit. | ||
| Jackie wanted like a million dollars a year, and they wouldn't give him a million dollars a year. | ||
| They would give him like 900,000. | ||
| He was like, fuck you! | ||
| So he left. | ||
| And so when he left, they had a bunch of guys sit in that chair, and one of them was Artie, and Artie wound up taking that job. | ||
| And part of Artie's job was to feed Howard lines. | ||
| And that kid Benji, he's really funny, man. | ||
| He would write down stuff and feed Howard funny lines. | ||
| So he has a few guys on the side that would toss him stuff. | ||
| Which is essentially what a politician does, right? | ||
| A politician, you're not going to get They're full, unadulterated ideas, except for Trump. | ||
| And that's one of the things that was so refreshing about Trump, even though it was a shitty message, even though there's a poverty of words and the way he spoke and there was this clunkiness to it all. | ||
| Well, there certainly is a clunkiness. | ||
| There's no question about that. | ||
| It's a very, very simplistic way of speaking compared to what we're used to from politicians. | ||
| Yeah, like all slogans. | ||
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Slogans. | |
| Slogans work. | ||
| I think there is something about the fact that he was, as you were saying, completely unrestrained. | ||
| You know, there's something really interesting about Trump. | ||
| I mean, the whole thing is really fascinating. | ||
| But it's the most profoundly hilarious and interesting moment ever. | ||
| And no one wants to appreciate it because they're so dug into one or the other. | ||
| I'm not scared of nuclear war with Korea, too. | ||
| Well, I get that. | ||
| That's kind of scary. | ||
| I mean, it's more scary for the people in Seoul than us, but still, that is scary. | ||
| But the thing with Trump is that he speaks in, you know, it's like, okay, the people who hate Trump hate him more than anyone. | ||
| I mean, I've never seen a political leader hate it as much as the people who hate Trump hate him right now. | ||
| No one in America, for sure. | ||
| No one in my lifetime in America has even come close. | ||
| I'm sure there are other countries where it's like, you know, some dictator falls. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| But like, they're, but Trump is hated. | ||
| And I got to be honest, if you ask people on the left why they hate him, I think they struggle to give you a really good, honest answer for it. | ||
| I mean, they'll say things like... | ||
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You really think so? | |
| I think they say things like racism, or like bigotry, or, you know, I'd say... | ||
| EPA, people who are paying attention to what he's doing to roll back. | ||
| Yes, sure, sure. | ||
| Right, they were worried about that, although... | ||
| I gotta say, the EPA thing, I don't think any of this is actually the source of the Trump hatred. | ||
| I think this is like, we hate Trump, and now, what's he doing that's terrible? | ||
| So we're going to get evidence against him. | ||
| The truth is, what they'll say nine out of ten times if I present this to a left-wing person, I'll go like, oh, you know, he's pretty much continuing all the Obama policies, or it's, you know, virtually the same, which I think is one of the really big stories of the Trump era so far, that how much is the same since Obama? | ||
| No one wants to talk about this. | ||
| What are the big changes? | ||
| I don't think there are. | ||
| I'm not saying there are no changes. | ||
| Immigration policy. | ||
| Immigration policy, he wrote one executive order that then got suspended by the courts. | ||
| Hasn't really gone into effect. | ||
| But it's the idea that he's promoting. | ||
| His rhetoric is very, very different. | ||
| No question about that. | ||
| He promotes different ideas. | ||
| His rhetoric is very, very different. | ||
| But in terms of monetary policy, fiscal policy, foreign policy, the war on drugs, any of this stuff... | ||
| Yeah, but not foreign policy if you're talking about immigration. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of... | ||
| Okay, I'm putting that in domestic policy in my mind, but yeah, fair enough. | ||
| Well, in foreign policy, speaking about, because I was saying nine out of ten times, the answer to me is they go, well, that's kind of your white privilege, and if you were in one of these groups that's worried about being deported, you would feel differently. | ||
| But the fact is that deportations are down under Trump. | ||
| There were more under Obama. | ||
| I mean, there's a few different arguments for why that reason is. | ||
| There have been a lot of arrests, but not deportations. | ||
| But it's just like, even that, the narrative isn't fitting the way To me, what really drove what made people hate Trump was his rhetoric. | ||
| It was all rhetoric. | ||
| Obama was deporting lots of people. | ||
| Obama was bombing the crap out of them. | ||
| Obama was targeting families, and he was torturing. | ||
| All these things were happening, but he didn't talk about it. | ||
| He spoke about it in a nice way. | ||
| And Trump was like this unapologetic, white, Rich man who didn't play the PC game and spoke of minorities not in like a glowing, I'm so sorry, like minorities are better than me, I'm the evil white guy. | ||
| It was like, no, we're great. | ||
| I never say we're great. | ||
| He would say, you know, some nice things about minorities when asked, but his central message was like, our team's great. | ||
| And this to me is, I think, the reason why left-wing people's blood boil with Trump. | ||
| Well, there's just so many pieces of evidence that point to corruption with Russia. | ||
| So many pieces of evidence that point to the idea that this guy is operating in the interest of himself and of big business, and that he's profiting in a huge way off being the president. | ||
| And one of the ways they're doing that, they're not rolling back the Environmental Protection Agency standards because they don't believe in them. | ||
| They're rolling it back because it's impeding business. | ||
| That's infuriating a lot of people on the left. | ||
| That scares the shit out of people when you have some crazy old man who's just doing everything for profit. | ||
| Some guy who wants to literally, like, start diss fights with basketball players. | ||
| And that host from, that was the thing, we talked about this before, but the host from ESPN who had tweeted all some stuff about him being a white supremacist, and then he asked for ESPN to apologize. | ||
| I'm like, hey, how come you didn't talk about her, man? | ||
| He can't talk about her. | ||
| He can't. | ||
| He literally can't say her name. | ||
| Because if he goes after a black woman, then it reinforces all these people's ideas of prejudice. | ||
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| No, look, I get what you're saying. | ||
| And just to the point about corruption, I mean, like, of course, I mean, that's the nature of government. | ||
| Like, whatever decision they're making is based on what lobbyists is lobbying them the harder. | ||
| It's all corrupt. | ||
| But my point is just that that is not at all different with Trump. | ||
| I mean, like, the corruption under Obama was... | ||
| I mean, Obama just went and collected $400,000 for a speech to Wall Street. | ||
| So he's in there a couple months ago, right? | ||
| But don't they all do that once they get out? | ||
| Yes, but Obama's like, you're in there, you preside over the bailouts of the banks, started under Bush but continued under Obama, and the big ones, the Fed policy, which really bailed them out. | ||
| You're in there, you take all this money for your campaigns, you vote every way that they want you to, you preside over the biggest profits... | ||
| For the big bankers. | ||
| You put them all around your administration, and you get out and you collect your check. | ||
| It's like, time to get rich now. | ||
| That's all one check. | ||
| He's going to get a ton of those. | ||
| Oh yeah, a ton of them. | ||
| He's going to be speaking everywhere. | ||
| I mean, maybe I'm wrong, right? | ||
| I'm being too cynical. | ||
| Probably all of those bankers just really love the way Obama speaks. | ||
| I mean, he is a great speaker, but my guess is that that's not why they're paying him. | ||
| Hillary Clinton is not a great speaker, and they paid her shit tons of money. | ||
| And that was one of the things that Bernie said. | ||
| Release the transcripts! | ||
| Release the transcripts! | ||
| And of course, she didn't, but WikiLeaks did get their hands on one of them, in which she said something that kind of indicated why she didn't release the transcripts. | ||
| Because she actually said, I'm lying to the public. | ||
| I mean, not literally, but she basically said to all these bankers to not be concerned about... | ||
| Because, you know, her public rhetoric at the time was like, you know, no one's too big to fail, no banker too big to jail! | ||
| And then she basically said to them, in this speech that WikiLeaks leaked the transcript of, where she was like, you know, you have to take one public position, and then hold a different position in private. | ||
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Right. | |
| So she was basically assuring all of them. | ||
| How do we know that that's unaltered? | ||
| Well, I mean, it's kind of like the same way that we know that all of the emails are legit. | ||
| Like, they've been presented. | ||
| Even the Clintons aren't arguing that they're illegitimate. | ||
| Like, nobody's really coming out and arguing that they're not legitimate, and it seems to be from a legitimate site. | ||
| Julian Assange is sort of shifting over time and being more and more aggressive. | ||
| His position on things, he's more aggressive and more leaning one way. | ||
| I think he's bummed out that he's still stuck over there. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Sure, but I think he's been kind of consistent. | ||
| It's almost like everybody else is changing their tune. | ||
| I feel like the Democrats, to me, and the people who follow them, and the Trump haters, it's insane how much they've changed their positions. | ||
| To me, Julian Assange was exposing all this bullshit under Bush. | ||
| He exposes all the shit about Clinton and Obama. | ||
| And it was like, yeah, from my perspective, they're all part of the same network, so he's kind of exposing the same network. | ||
| Whereas the Democrats became cold warriors. | ||
| The Democrats, as soon as Trump got in, it's like, well, everything the CIA has taken without any evidence being presented, and Russia is the evil threat of our time. | ||
| When did you guys become Republicans from the 70s? | ||
| Just that quickly? | ||
| I even saw somebody today, it's like the Trump haters, Like, again, feel however you feel about Trump. | ||
| Hate him, sure. | ||
| Like, go ahead and be against, like I said, I think it's terrible that he's telling, saying people should be fired for speaking up. | ||
| Like, that's ridiculous. | ||
| But I see these guys who are like, they're like, oh, you want, you know, you want to talk about patriotism and, like, bashing Trump for being a draft dodger? | ||
| He won it just once. | ||
| He dodged it a fuck ton of times. | ||
| Dude, if you dodged... | ||
| How many times did he dodge it? | ||
| Dude, whatever you did to stay out of the Vietnam War, God bless you. | ||
| God bless you for staying away from that fucking nightmare that was started on a lie. | ||
| That was, like, the most disgusting mass slaughter for profit. | ||
| I mean, like, if someone avoided that, like, you're mad at him for avoiding going and killing some fucking poor people in Southeast Asia? | ||
| Well, it's just a point that they could grab him on the hypocrisy of being a chicken hawk. | ||
| Same as Dick Cheney, they did it with him as well. | ||
| But it's not because he's... | ||
| Look, I'm all for hitting someone for hypocrisy. | ||
| Like, if you're advocating a war, hitting them on not wanting to fight a war. | ||
| But you're just mad at him for, like, not being on the same side of yours about police brutality. | ||
| It's like, fine. | ||
| Well, they're pointing out his character. | ||
| They're pointing out who he is. | ||
| Fine, but don't abandon all of your principles. | ||
| He's this privileged guy. | ||
| He's not like JFK who went over and fought in the war. | ||
| I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's... | ||
| I'm just saying if the left is going to say... | ||
| To me, it's kind of abandoning your own principles if you're going to bash someone for, like, not fighting in the Vietnam War. | ||
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Right, but that's... | |
| You kind of know what they're doing. | ||
| They all do that. | ||
| They try to find something that you did that's kind of questionable that they can politicize. | ||
| And that's what they did. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm just making the same thing with the Democrats becoming the Cold Warriors. | ||
| It's just like, yeah, so whatever wins, whatever gets you points. | ||
| What really gets me with the Democrats, with the left, is how all of a sudden Julian Assange is a puppet of Russia now. | ||
| Like, for the longest time, WikiLeaks was supposed to be the voice of honesty. | ||
| This non... | ||
| Bipartisan sort of or bipartisan open-minded group that's just trying to disseminate information They think is critical to the American people that they're being denied like the casual What would it call the casualties? | ||
| What was that one video that they had? | ||
| There was a video that one of the first videos was I forget what they called it, but they had a Footage from one of those gunships, one of those helicopters. | ||
| They showed these guys sort of casually talking about gunning down these reporters. | ||
| They thought these reporters were carrying guns and so they just opened fire on them and gunned them down, including a bunch of civilians. | ||
| Yeah, I remember the video, right. | ||
| I forget what it was called I forget but that that sort of like they they felt like they had some Information that people weren't aware of they weren't allowed to see photos of caskets They weren't allowed to get the full They weren't allowed to have a really informed opinion and what exactly is happening there and when they see the horrors of war in that regard like we see people like sort of casually talk about gunning down some people and I think there were kids in their car Well, | ||
| they shouldn't have brought kids, you know, like that was like one of the things they had said like that whole thing was like whoa We are better off knowing that this is what can happen if you just allow people to just go to war, and especially some really ambiguous war on terror. | ||
| That's what WikiLeaks stood for, right? | ||
| WikiLeaks stood for Chelsea Manning, aka Bradley Manning, releasing this information, someone who was... | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| And then, you know, Chelsea Manning, Bradley Manning at the time, paid quite a price for it. | ||
| I think 200 days in solitary confinement. | ||
| This is a really brutal price. | ||
| And exposed a ton of really interesting stuff. | ||
| I mean, what we learned from the Bradley Manning dump... | ||
| It was, you know, like, all this crazy shit about war crimes. | ||
| And then, like, we learned about how there were, like, U.S. officials trying to, like, influence the British Parliament, trying to influence, like, reporters and just all this shady shit that came out. | ||
| And then again, it becomes this kind of, like, integrity test for the mainstream media where they just have no interest in it. | ||
| I mean, if they talk about it, they'll talk about Chelsea Manning, but that's the story. | ||
| Snowden's the story. | ||
| None of it's ever like, oh shit, we learned some crazy shit that's going on. | ||
| Well, that's what we are. | ||
| We're a nation of gossip. | ||
| Kaepernick's a story, not Puerto Rico. | ||
| You know, a guy not standing up with his hand in the correct position that lets us know that we are all on one mindset. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That guy is more important. | ||
| And even within that context, and a lot of people like, and this is where there's this weird disconnect between like, There's like the mainstream media and then all of the alternative internet media. | ||
| And there certainly is a ton of bullshit in the alternative internet media world and a lot of just straight out false stories. | ||
| But then there are people also talking about the truth there, whereas none of that seems to enter the mainstream media. | ||
| So what gets brought up online and in the alternative media, which should be at the center of this story, is that like... | ||
| Like, the players didn't used to be on the field for the National Anthem. | ||
| For, like, the vast majority, I think it was 2009 or 2010, the Defense Department cuts these huge checks to the NFL, and then all of a sudden they get the players out on the field so we can do this whole tribute thing, and the military-industrial complex has been, like, working on taking this, like, pastime, the number one sport in America, which is already pretty, like... | ||
| Warring and making sure we can use this as propaganda to get Americans, you know, into this nationalistic pro-military mindset. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Are you a journalist? | ||
| How are you not interested in that? | ||
| How can Obama sign into the National Defense Authorization Act that he has the right to detain American citizens with no charges? | ||
| And it's like, okay, like... | ||
| Alex Jones is over here, and like, yeah, I know he says some wild stuff, but he's making a big deal about this. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| And then the mainstream media just doesn't think it's a big story. | ||
| How is it possible that you're a journalist, an honest journalist with integrity, and you don't think it's a big story? | ||
| You don't look at that and go, well, that's the story of my lifetime. | ||
| Obama just repealed habeas corpus. | ||
| Don't you think it's the exact same thing as what we were talking about with people in academia and on the left that don't look at things that are in opposition to the groupthink of their ideology? | ||
| I think it's a lot of that, and it's like this thing where there's this, it's almost like unspoken, unwritten pressure, where you just kind of know. | ||
| It's like, right, you have this herd mentality, and you know if I step out here, I get bashed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And most people don't want to get bashed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, you know, you were talking about the people who are professors, and they're certainly very, very smart people, lots of very, very smart people, but it is a certain personality type. | ||
| You know, it's like that person who, like, you go to school your whole life, then you go to college, Then you go to grad school, then you teach, and you've basically just been in college your whole life. | ||
| Did you see that video of that woman at the Berkeley protest where she's screaming, I'm a fucking professor! | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Screaming at the cops. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find her, because that is a social retard. | ||
| And she's asking them to go arrest people inside? | ||
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Arrest people. | |
| Arrest people. | ||
| They're Nazis. | ||
| And these are the type of people who never got into college. | ||
| They're socially retarded. | ||
| I mean, that's really literally what it is. | ||
| They never competed in the real world. | ||
| They didn't formulate a normal... | ||
| Psychological outlook. | ||
| Yeah, but there's okay, so there's that that woman who you're talking about and and oh Yeah, she is whatever whatever the Scientology whatever the top level is like I'm saying that's it's left-wing level five Yeah, you've achieved the height of those people are literally mentally disturbed people like these are this is a woman with videos gone I gotta find it impossible. | ||
| Well, this one is take go to 4chan I don't believe those geniuses at 4chan haven't kept this gem. | ||
| They kept it. | ||
| But this is, she's at level five with like Trigly Puff and like all those people. | ||
| Melissa Crick, that woman who like yelled out for more muscle at Missouri State. | ||
| Yes, these are like the maximum level and most of those people are made up of like genuinely disturbed people. | ||
| Yeah, here she goes. | ||
| Here, give me some volume on this crazy bitch. | ||
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You're not here to protect these students from Nazis? | |
| No, you're not! | ||
| This is completely fucked up! | ||
| And these students had to fucking face them on Iran! | ||
| You should be a shame to yourselves! | ||
| You should be standing up to those Nazis! | ||
| You should regret that these students are hate! | ||
| This is hate! | ||
| These are fucking assholes! | ||
| And this is a joke! | ||
| You're attacking the Nazis! | ||
| It's a fucking joke! | ||
| You are a joke! | ||
| You're proud boys! | ||
| You're proud boys! | ||
| And this is a black rock! | ||
| Do you work for Gavin? | ||
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You're not protecting the NYU students here! | |
| And I'm disgusted! | ||
| I'm a professor! | ||
| How dare you! | ||
| How dare you fucking assholes! | ||
| Protect me, oh Nazis! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| These are kids who are trying to learn about humanity! | ||
| They're trying to learn about human rights And against racism and xenophobia And LGBTQ rights LGBTQ Okay Wasn't that at Milo's rally? | ||
| Which is hilarious, because he's gay as fuck. | ||
| I think this was Gavin's. | ||
| Was it Gavin's? | ||
| Yeah, because you say Proud Boys is Gavin's then. | ||
| Oh, you're Proud Boys. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| She might work for his marketing department. | ||
| She does now. | ||
| That's like the best branding. | ||
| She's still going. | ||
| We shut it off, but she's still going. | ||
| I'm a fucking professor! | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Someone should make a t-shirt. | ||
| From my perspective, too. | ||
| It says, I'm a fucking professor, how dare you? | ||
| I'm a professor was not what you expected the next line to be. | ||
| I'm a fucking professor, how dare you? | ||
| So, there's, well, you know, also from my perspective, like, as a libertarian, you just look at that and you're like, wow, what a naked, like, example of, you're just calling the state Calling the authority of the state because you believe this ridiculous micro-aggressive aggression like, you know, world view. | ||
| Well, just look at her. | ||
| The way she's behaving. | ||
| That's not a balance. | ||
| That's not a healthy person. | ||
| What I was describing with the college professor, I wasn't talking about those people. | ||
| Like, that's level five disturbed people. | ||
| Is that top of the food chain? | ||
| She had like a coral belt in jujitsu? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's like, it's not even like, not even black belt. | ||
| That's like next, next level. | ||
| Yeah, you tap out black belt. | ||
| It goes coral and then red belt is like Noam Chomsky. | ||
| Noam Chomsky's a red belt. | ||
| Yeah, but Noam Chomsky is actually like an intellectual. | ||
| I don't want to lump him in with these maniacs. | ||
| But he is top of the food chain. | ||
| He's a top of the food chain left-wing ideologist. | ||
| But this is like some Hicks and Gracie shit that these people are on. | ||
| Well, she's more retarded. | ||
| She's like more of a kung fu person. | ||
| She's got ineffective martial arts. | ||
| She's got some fake shit. | ||
| You're a master of some shit that doesn't even really work for anyone. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't really work. | ||
| She's trying to get people with that chi touch. | ||
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| A guy with just an overhand right could probably take you in a fight. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like you'd like to see her in an MMA fight with Cyborg. | ||
| She actually would believe that she had this chi force. | ||
| Those are still the most amazing. | ||
| I'm a fucking professor! | ||
| There's still to me nothing better. | ||
| I know you've gone over a bunch on your show before, but there's nothing better to me than someone really believing in a martial art that doesn't work and finding out in a fight that that martial art doesn't work. | ||
| It was amazing through the early UFCs when it used to happen. | ||
| You'll find internet videos that have it. | ||
| The fact that it's still going on in 2016 and 17 has been some of the best videos ever, especially out of China, where they had that one guy had to go into hiding. | ||
| He brained some fucking poor slob that thought he knew kung fu. | ||
| You know, some dude really thought he was going to cheat-touch this guy, and this Chinese kid who knows MMA, Fuck this guy up and how to go into hiding because so many people are mad at him for Using martial arts techniques that didn't originate in China to sort of denigrate Chinese martial arts man Yeah myth verse reality always interesting. | ||
| They are fighting against the exposing of their bullshit nonsensical Fucking tiger claw shit. | ||
| And you've got an entire identity associated with this being real. | ||
| Meanwhile, the guy who did it is also Chinese. | ||
| So China is apparently, like Asia in particular, is where a lot of the martial arts techniques that people use today originated, and they were sort of adapted, and they were changed, and they evolved, particularly in In Thailand, they really started understanding how to kick the legs, and they became masters at using the elbows and the knees, more so than... | ||
| And they did it through competition, which is really quite fascinating. | ||
| They did it through gambling. | ||
| And by having these competitions on a regular basis where people were like 9, 10 years old, they start fighting. | ||
| And they fight. | ||
| They might have hundreds and hundreds of fights in their career by the time they retire. | ||
| They developed a real acute understanding of what actually works and what doesn't work. | ||
| Whereas in these other worlds, they didn't do that. | ||
| They weren't like this small island that's filled with hedonists that are gambling, kicking each other in the legs and betting on the guy, kicking the guy. | ||
| That's really what developed that art. | ||
| But then there's other ones that sort of stayed in this non-evolved state. | ||
| And then as the material sort of got out to all of the world and people started evolving the techniques, it all... | ||
| Coalesce together in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, and then we realize, okay, it's a combination of these things, doesn't necessarily always work on every individual, and styles sort of determined interactions, and athletes determine whether or not something is effective or ineffective as much as the technique itself. | ||
| The athleticism, speed, and power of the practitioner is very important, but all told, these are the things that we think are pretty effective. | ||
| These are the standard techniques. | ||
| Yeah, you keep learning new information, but you figure out pretty quickly, like, okay, like, wrestling and, you know, crane kicks are not the same thing. | ||
| This guy used Western boxing techniques and Muay Thai and wrestling and jiu-jitsu and just beat the holy fuck out of this poor, I mean, did it like 10 seconds, beat the holy fuck out of this poor kung fu guy, and then he had to go into hiding. | ||
| People didn't want to know. | ||
| They didn't want to know. | ||
| This is white power! | ||
| White power! | ||
| The white power guy goes in there and gets fucking murked by Anthony Joshua. | ||
| And they're like, shit! | ||
| How is this possible? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, of course it happened. | ||
| Did you not know who you were? | ||
| Do you not know who he is? | ||
| You know, you're in denial of this. | ||
| And so if they all came after Anthony Joshua because he beat the shit out of the white power boxer, that's exactly what's going on in China. | ||
| You can watch it here. | ||
| So look at this guy. | ||
| This poor fucking dude. | ||
| You could just already tell. | ||
| He's got some crane technique going on and the kid just fucking starts beating the shit out of him. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Just fucking pummeling him unconscious. | ||
| Knuckles to the temple. | ||
| Literally, it happens all in like 10-15 seconds. | ||
| This kid just kicks his shit out of him. | ||
| And then after this happens... | ||
| And there's a guy who doesn't get hit. | ||
| Like he's never been hit before. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't get hit at all. | ||
| He doesn't box. | ||
| He's not like used to even like being in this situation. | ||
| But he must have believed that it was gonna work. | ||
| He must have believed that he was capable of fending off attacks. | ||
| I'd imagine, and he's doing that crazy shit where they're like trying to, you know, it's like, I don't remember in MMA, what was a guy, I can't remember his name, it was like some really, really Asian name, but the dude who fought Nick Diaz, you called the fight, uh, it was like back, an old Nick Diaz fight before he left the UFC, and the guy tried this crazy technique, he tried like, hands out here, I'm gonna like, block your punches with punches, there was like a short Asian dude. | ||
| Maybe Kakuno, I think you're thinking of Tony Ferguson, I think you're thinking of Kakuno. | ||
| It's 100% a Nick Diaz fight, and you called it. | ||
| Might have been Nick Diaz, Kakuno. | ||
| You called it, and I remember you saying during the thing, you were like, you say before the fight, you go, this is really weird. | ||
| He was doing this stuff before, like, in the Octagon warm-up, and he comes out, like, doing it, and you're like, okay, he's gonna try to fight Nick Diaz with this weird stuff, like, where he's trying to... | ||
| Whatever it's doing, like, this kind of, like... | ||
| Like, style of trying to block by, like, hitting their hands with your hands way out? | ||
| Pull up Nick Diaz's record. | ||
| I'm remembering Tony Ferguson fighting this guy who was a bad motherfucker in Pride, and his name was Cocuno, and he used to fight like that. | ||
| Pull up Tony Ferguson's record. | ||
| See if you can find that video, Tony Ferguson vs. | ||
| Cocuno. | ||
| Yeah, it's not. | ||
| I don't think it's Eddie though. | ||
| That fight I don't remember. | ||
| I don't remember Tony Ferguson. | ||
| He's been around for a while. | ||
| Tony lit him up. | ||
| So what it was was that Kakuno was a guy that had this crazy kick that he would throw to the body and fuck a lot of people up with it. | ||
| And it was kind of a hybrid between a front kick and a roundhouse kick. | ||
| Like some people would call it a 45. Yeah. | ||
| Katsunori Kakuno. | ||
| And he KO'd him. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the fight you're thinking of, man. | ||
| No, I'm telling you... | ||
| See, I don't think that guy... | ||
| Pull up Nick Diaz's record. | ||
| Pull up Nick Diaz. | ||
| It's a different guy, I think. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But Kakuno used to fight like this. | ||
| He used to walk forward like this. | ||
| It was a similar type of style, but the guy I was talking about was like real short, too. | ||
| And I mean Nick Diaz just... | ||
| It was like the worst guy to fight with that style. | ||
| Because he's got like real crisp boxing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he just came in, I mean, just lit him up like... | ||
| Nick's lit a lot of guys up. | ||
| I think it might have been his last fight in his first run in the UFC. So it's up way before this. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Down. | ||
| Down from this. | ||
| Like before is down. | ||
| Before? | ||
| Yeah, it's his first run in the UFC. So it's maybe before the losses? | ||
| Right there before Diego Sanchez. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Oh, that guy? | ||
| Koji... | ||
| Click on it. | ||
| Koji Oishi? | ||
| No, there's no S there. | ||
| Yeah, Oishi? | ||
| Is that how you say it? | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| Koji Oishi. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And Nick Diaz lit this kid up. | ||
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You know what I remember? | |
| I remember saying this kid looks like he's on heroin. | ||
| Like he walked in almost like in a zombie state as he walked into the octagon. | ||
| It was really strange. | ||
| Just click on that right there. | ||
| No, that's Nate. | ||
| This is a different... | ||
| Is it Nate? | ||
| Yeah, and this was in the UFC. But Nick fought Oishi 2? | ||
| The vine of it is there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess they both fought. | ||
| Yeah, this is the fight I'm talking about. | ||
| He's like trying to do this open-handed weird thing, and Nick Diaz is just lighting him up. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure it's on the UFC. See if you can find Tony Ferguson vs. | ||
| Kakuno. | ||
| That's a weird one. | ||
| Because Kakuno had this weird style, almost like you would think of as a guy who knows karate. | ||
| Like move forward, like standing totally square, not sideways, like moving forward in this weird way. | ||
| And he would throw this kick. | ||
| And it wasn't a front kick up the middle. | ||
| It was like an angled front kick. | ||
| So he'd hit you with the ball of his foot, but he'd throw it like a roundhouse kick. | ||
| Which was one of the ways that... | ||
| They used to do that in the old Taekwondo way, too. | ||
| They would make impact with the ball of the foot with a roundhouse kick. | ||
| Like, they would throw a kick. | ||
| I got a book when I was a kid about Taekwondo techniques. | ||
| And this one old dude would practice in the park by kicking trees. | ||
| And the way he would kick trees is with the ball of his foot. | ||
| He would throw a roundhouse kick and kick the ball of his foot into the tree. | ||
| And it was a really funny book because in one of the things where he described all various self-defense techniques, he described what to do if you're ever threatened by someone. | ||
| And one of the things you should do is kick a tree. | ||
| So show them, like if you kick a tree, what you could do to them. | ||
| Which probably isn't actually bad advice. | ||
| Just break your leg? | ||
| No, just kick a tree. | ||
| No, but I'm saying like if you're not used to kicking trees. | ||
| See if you can back that up. | ||
| See if you can back it up, but that's... | ||
| It's only a 10 second video. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Kukuno was, uh... | ||
| This is also another one of those guys where, let that play out, that little video you were just showing. | ||
| He was one of those guys that was in a shit ton of fights. | ||
| See, that was back when he was competing in karate. | ||
| I think that's kyokushin and so they fought with kyokushin outfits on But they had an MMA fight and the guy who was the referee was dressed up in a fucking weird sort of Geisha outfit like what the fuck's that guy wearing? | ||
| But kokuno was like sort of a classic Japanese martial arts striker. | ||
| That's that's him right there. | ||
| Okay, I And you gotta think, by the time these guys got to the UFC, they had been brained so many fucking times, especially fighting in Pride and K1. Oh, yeah. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Front kick to the body, right hand. | ||
| That's a wrap. | ||
| Oh, this dude is fucked. | ||
| Check this out again, man. | ||
| Watch how you do this. | ||
| It was a different fight. | ||
| Oh, it was a different fight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Is it a tournament? | ||
| Probably, which is really crazy that these guys would do this more than one time of the day. | ||
| But that was what they did in Pride a lot. | ||
| Oh, he just threw him off the top of the mat. | ||
| In Pride, they would fight several times a day. | ||
| In the early UFCs as well. | ||
| And then, like, eventually, I think they started realizing, like, a lot of guys get injured doing this. | ||
| The craziest idea is, like, that stupid movie Warrior, when they fought more than one time in a week. | ||
| Like, they fought once and they fought again the next day. | ||
| That's gotta be weird. | ||
| Worse than the same day probably because you're like you got all the soreness that like comes in two days later Your fucking face is all swollen. | ||
| You can't see you have to have sunglasses everywhere You definitely can't take a punch like the whole idea is so stupid and they don't do that I mean maybe they've done that a couple of times throughout history But that's not a standard thing in this movie warrior. | ||
| They just added their own Hollywood jizz to the soup like let me just change it You're gonna fight. | ||
| He's gonna fight his brother in the next day. | ||
| I'm brilliant. | ||
| I'm gonna grab my balls That's what they did. | ||
| They added their own stupidity. | ||
| It just didn't even make any sense. | ||
| And it was totally unnecessary. | ||
| You're changing what martial arts are just to fit your narrative, because you're not a good writer. | ||
| If you were a good writer, you would write about how it actually happens, and you'd make a story about how it actually happens. | ||
| You wouldn't create some fake thing that you can do, like fight wars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Several times in a day, twice, two days in a row. | ||
| You'd be fucking meat. | ||
| Well, it's like, just give them, like, superpowers at this point. | ||
| Just give them, like, Hadouken's and stuff. | ||
| Go back to Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. | ||
| You've got to decide what you are. | ||
| Are you an excellent dramatic movie with Nick Nolte and Tom, what the fuck's his name? | ||
| Who's the other guy? | ||
| The fuck's his name? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| The young guy who's Bane. | ||
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Oh, Tom Hardy. | |
| Tom Hardy. | ||
| That motherfucker is amazing, right? | ||
| It's him and Nick Nolte. | ||
| I mean, they're amazing. | ||
| But yet they put in this stupid plot idea where they have to fight in two days. | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| Just come on. | ||
| It's like, it's annoying because it's like you're making this world real. | ||
| And then you're doing something that's like just utterly ridiculous. | ||
| And it's my world. | ||
| It's a world where I work. | ||
| You're a little offended by like... | ||
| I'm super offended. | ||
| And it makes it impossible for someone like you to enjoy. | ||
| Because it's like if anyone who knows fighting can enjoy. | ||
| Which, by the way, I will say, and I do, even when we talk about old school UFC, there's something about that, like, I'm nostalgic for it. | ||
| I know you can't have it now, it has to be the sport it is now, and it's evolved way past there. | ||
| But there was just something so cool about the old UFC, and there was something about the Conor versus Floyd fight that almost gave you that feeling again of like these two guys from different worlds going in there and like how does this like how does a guy who's doing MMA striking and fucking doing like Capoeira stuff on the side how does he go in there and box and then it turned out Connor actually was just like oh no you gotta box can't do any of that stuff you get destroyed so he just went out there and boxed but it was an interesting like I came out of it I was arguing with a lot of friends of mine who are like big boxing | ||
| fans and nothing against you guys. | ||
| God bless boxing. | ||
| I'm not like as big a fan as I used to be. | ||
| I'm a huge MMA fan. | ||
| But I just can't... | ||
| Like when you look at MMA the way you look at MMA is like the sport of fighting and the original thing was always figuring out who's better at fighting and how he does. | ||
| It was just hard for me to not look at the fight. | ||
| With Connor and Floyd and go like, you know, it's like when there was the first clinch, Louis J. Gomez said this to me, is the first clinch of the fight. | ||
| He goes, well, that's where Connor would destroy him. | ||
| And then you just sit there watching ten rounds of a referee saving Floyd Mayweather's life. | ||
| Like, every few seconds, the referee comes in and goes, oh, let me save your life. | ||
| Oh, let me save your life. | ||
| I know you're the greatest ever at this, but you need, even under your rules with your gloves and your this, you need a ref to keep coming in and saving your life every few seconds. | ||
| And you'd see it, like, every time they clinched, like, Conor would immediately, almost just instinctually, just, like, kind of take his back. | ||
| And like step over here. | ||
| Because right here is where I can hit you and you can't hit me. | ||
| And Floyd would just cover up and bend over. | ||
| Like literally bend over. | ||
| Guy, come save my life, buddy. | ||
| And it's just hard to not watch that and go, oh. | ||
| If he wanted to, he would jump on his back and choke him to death. | ||
| And even in your sport, he went ten rounds. | ||
| And okay, I know what Mayweather did was brilliant, and he dragged him in, he played it safe and perfectly, but it wasn't a part of the plan to eat that uppercut on the chin. | ||
| That definitely wasn't a part of the plan. | ||
| And also, I think there's, boxers punch a lot harder than MMA guys do, and there's truth to that too, so Conor's power didn't translate in the way that MMA fans thought it would. | ||
| Well, he's just not quite as fluid, and also I think he was probably very nervous. | ||
| I mean, he's fighting literally the greatest fighter of all time in his first professional boxing match. | ||
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It's insane! | |
| It's so crazy, and yet he still got it through the 10th round. | ||
| This is what I said. | ||
| I said, I gave Conor a very small chance of winning a boxing match. | ||
| Very small. | ||
| So I thought it was like 94% that Floyd would beat the shit out of Conor the way he did. | ||
| And that Conor would eventually get tired. | ||
| The guy who did the best assessment of it, in my opinion, was John Donaher. | ||
| John Donaher, who's a brilliant jiu-jitsu coach, also a brilliant MMA coach, has got a deep understanding of it. | ||
| He basically spelled out exactly what's going to happen because of all the times he's seen of boxers sparring with elite martial artists that the mixed martial artist does well for a few rounds because it takes a while for the boxer to figure out the timing. | ||
| And then the efficiency and fluidity of the boxer starts to take over the ring generalship, the understanding of this one isolated particular discipline, and then they dominate. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened to a T. What I said is I think there's a 94% chance that Floyd Mayweather just boxes the shit out of Conor McGregor. | ||
| There is a 4% chance that Conor catches him with an uppercut like he did in the first round and actually stuns him and hurts him. | ||
| And then swarms on him and takes him out. | ||
| Conor has got... | ||
| Ferocious power. | ||
| It's whether or not he executed that power like he has in MMA, whether he felt he could drain his gas tank like that, especially with two months worth of training. | ||
| Not enough. | ||
| Not enough to get in shape for a 12-round boxing match against the greatest of all time. | ||
| But there was a 100% chance that Conor nukes him in a fucking MMA fight. | ||
| Nukes him. | ||
| Literally 100%. | ||
| Because Floyd's not going to knock him out with one punch, and Conor could kick his fucking legs out from under him before he got even close enough to punch him, and if they did get to a clinch, which they absolutely would, Conor would ragdoll him to the ground and beat his fucking brains in before he strangled him. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Like 100%, even if you just, look, if you just take out even grappling, I agree with you that Connor's a master of range and he's got excellent kicks. | ||
| He can kick the shit out of him and stay out of the area where he's, you know, just stay out of his punching range and kick him in the legs and the body. | ||
| Well, even if he can clinch, if you don't break him up when he clinches and he can throw knees to the body, you're fucked. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| And elbows to the head, he's gonna tie you up at the back of the head and smash you? | ||
| Has that ever happened? | ||
| No, you don't know what the fuck to do when a guy's doing that. | ||
| You don't know how to deal with those knees to the face like when Anderson Silva fucked up Rich Franklin to win the title, when he just plumbed the back of his head and just started smashing knees in his face, and he was clear that Rich really didn't know, he didn't have an answer to that. | ||
| Which was an amazing thing because that was one of those moments like everyone in the MMA world thought Rich was the best. | ||
| Or not MMA world, everyone in the UFC world kind of thought Rich Franklin was the best. | ||
| But I mean, that's why I correct myself, because people who knew the MMA scene better and Pride and that stuff knew what Anderson Silva was. | ||
| But like the average fan of the UFC had just been, we hadn't really seen Anderson Silva. | ||
| I hadn't seen one or two tapes of him on Pride. | ||
| And I saw him like, maybe not Pride, I saw him the one where he got ankle locked real quick. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So I didn't really know how good Anderson Silva was. | ||
| I'd seen him beat Carlos Newton, and that was like all I had on him. | ||
| So I was like, eh, Rich Franklin will probably take this guy. | ||
| Well, the thing wasn't the Pride fights. | ||
| The thing was when he got out of Pride, and then fighting in Cage Wars. | ||
| Or Cage Warrior? | ||
| What the fuck was that English? | ||
| I remember the one you're talking about. | ||
| Cage Rage? | ||
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No. | |
| Is that it? | ||
| It's an English organization. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I want to say Cage Wars, but it's not that. | ||
| Cage Warrior? | ||
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Hmm. | |
| What the fuck do they call it? | ||
| Anyway, he went over there and just started nuking people. | ||
| So, like, I hadn't seen any of that. | ||
| I hadn't seen any of that, and I guess most UFC fans hadn't seen that either, and they saw Rich Franklin as the champ, had beat up a bunch of guys. | ||
| The odds were actually in Anderson's favor, though. | ||
| Oh, were they? | ||
| Yeah, it was one of the weird ones. | ||
| Where the oddsmakers, when he fought Chris Lieben, he was a slight favorite in his first UFC fight, and I was like, get ready for some crazy shit, because this motherfucker's on a totally different level. | ||
| I'm like, I knew him. | ||
| I'd seen him fight Jorge Rivera and Lee Murray. | ||
| I saw him hit Tony Ferguson with a step-in uppercut elbow that he had practiced on a pillow at home. | ||
| He made his wife hold a pillow and practiced this technique because he wanted to use it in his fights and his coaches wouldn't hold the pads for him because they thought it was ridiculous. | ||
| And they said, is this true? | ||
| I think I remember hearing this, but I think it was in between rounds. | ||
| He said to one of his coaches, he goes, I think it's open. | ||
| I think it's there. | ||
| And they were like, forget about this stupid technique, damn it! | ||
| It's not going to be there! | ||
| I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| I might be wrong about that. | ||
| He had fucked up Tony Ferguson before that. | ||
| The reason why I was able to get that off is because he... | ||
| It wasn't Tony Ferguson, excuse me. | ||
| Tony Fricklin. | ||
| Tony Fricklin is who he fought. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| My apologies, Tony Ferguson. | ||
| He fought Tony Fricklin and he hit him with a standing, stepping in, uppercut with the elbow. | ||
| And he was just like another level, maybe three, four, five levels above Fricklin at the time. | ||
| And Fricklin was a real veteran. | ||
| Fricklin was in one of the first UFCs that I ever worked in 1997. He was there. | ||
| And so that was like his debut in the UFC. I was there when he had his debut. | ||
| So Anderson was just lighting him on fire before he decided to step in and uppercut him. | ||
| But I just knew he was on just such a different level. | ||
| But that was a really important learning moment for MMA because people knew like, okay, if you get in a fight and a guy is a more Thai practitioner on the level of Anderson Silva, you better learn how to deal with this goddamn clinch. | ||
| So here's Anderson versus Tony Fricklin. | ||
| And this is Anderson, in my opinion, maybe his prime ever. | ||
| Because he hadn't taken on all the damage and all the crazy fights that he had in the UFC. And by the time he got to Chris Weidman, I mean, he was in his 30s, he was getting older, his body was starting to not perform the way it used to, and then, obviously... | ||
| He fucked up and stood in front of Weidman and got left hooked in the head while he was clowning him. | ||
| And then it's a lot tougher to come back when you're 40 now and have taken these losses. | ||
| But his Muay Thai back then was so fucking tight. | ||
| And it was just so levels above what everyone else was doing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They just didn't belong in there with him. | ||
| Like, look how he's moving around, just sort of like feeling out Tony, trying to find out what Tony's capable of, trying to decide when to move. | ||
| I mean, he really is like a spider. | ||
| Because he's setting up the web, and he's moving around, and eventually he's gonna sting you, and you know it's coming, and you know by the time you're moving at him, look at that, boom, one, two, he starts kicking you, and now he's coming after you. | ||
| Oh shit, bitch. | ||
| Now you know there's a big difference between the two of you. | ||
| And it just feels like, like, even if you don't know anything about fighting, you just know there's levels here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you can just see it. | ||
| Everything he does in this fight is like fucking picture-perfect. | ||
| He steps in. | ||
| Look at this beautiful tie clinch. | ||
| His control of the neck and head was spectacular. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
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Boom! | |
| And he's bigger than all these guys. | ||
| Stronger than them. | ||
| Look at these knees to the body, man. | ||
| And Fricklin is fucking throwing down, man. | ||
| He's doing his best. | ||
| He was a warrior. | ||
| But you'd see it when he went up and fought at 205 and he'd be in the clinch with Bonner and Forrest Griffith. | ||
| These guys couldn't do anything to him. | ||
| So these guys are just... | ||
| He's already fucked here, because he's eaten a bunch of really hard shots of the body. | ||
| And even though he's moving okay, he's like really compromised. | ||
| Look at that beautiful right hook and then left kick, left low kick. | ||
| And Anderson fought a lot from the southpaw stance. | ||
| He could fight from any position he wanted to, but he fought a lot from the southpaw stance, which is also an advantage to a lot of people. | ||
| It's amazing how much MMA guys make it look like... | ||
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Boom! | |
| There it is, son! | ||
| I mean, literally, his arm's gone limp. | ||
| I mean, watch this. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Boom. | ||
| Wow, dude. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| That is nuts. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Just the way he moves. | ||
| Watch him step in here, though, man. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Step in, uppercut, elbow, first time ever in MMA. Yeah. | ||
| That was Anderson in his prime. | ||
| And it was one of those moments where, particularly you have, I've had a lot in watching MMA where when someone comes in and beats someone else at their strength, and then you have to reorganize your mind where you're like, oh, I thought that guy was like, I thought Franklin was a knockout artist. | ||
| This guy's got really great hands. | ||
| He's a really good striker. | ||
| And then a guy like that lets you know, oh, there's another world. | ||
| Well you know it's like you got these guys like the Chinese Kung Fu guy and then you have all these different levels these like steps along the way in the spectrum and then you've got like Muay Thai of Anderson but then you got like Muay Thai of Sanchai in Thailand it's like several levels past Anderson and Bua Cao and Rob Deck- Ramon Decker's and Rob Kamen and the greats you know Ernesto Hoos these guys are like even further past that you know there's all these crazy crazy crazy levels to this thing And, | ||
| you know, when you see a guy like Anderson, you see, just like for the first time, it was in the UFC, where you have like legitimate world-class, maybe not the best ever in Muay Thai, but legitimate world-class Muay Thai skills. | ||
| Watching him fight, that's like a professional Muay Thai fighter. | ||
| And it seems to me like, for whatever reason, I think because on its own it works better in a real fight, so the grappling stuff in MMA, like, pretty quickly we got very high-level grapplers. | ||
| Pretty quickly. | ||
| Like, I mean, from the first UFC, you've got the best jiu-jitsu guys at the time, or at least a representative of the Gracies. | ||
| And then, uh... | ||
| You know, you got Olympic-level wrestlers in there pretty quickly. | ||
| Like, I mean, it wasn't too long before, like, Dan Severin and Mark Coleman and guys like that who had, like, legit wrestling credits came in. | ||
| But it took a long time before you got, like, really, really high-level strikers. | ||
| Well, you got Maurice Smith. | ||
| That's right, Maurice Smith was the guy. | ||
| He was the first. | ||
| He was really the first. | ||
| He was the first, yeah. | ||
| Go back to that fight again. | ||
| Here's something that's interesting to point out. | ||
| I guess Bas Rutten was one of the early guys too, right? | ||
| Bas Rutten was after Maurice. | ||
| There weren't too many besides that. | ||
| Those guys were a few who actually, because it took so much to learn all the other shit. | ||
| Right, but the difference between Bas and Maurice was that Maurice was more of a tactician and Bas was a destroyer. | ||
| He was like an intelligent animal. | ||
| He would just attack vicious, ferocious striking. | ||
| But real aggressive, but also very technical as well. | ||
| Whereas Maurice is much more clever, leg kick dependent. | ||
| Maurice was actually on a higher level in terms of professional kickboxing than Bas. | ||
| Bas didn't have a lot of kickboxing fights. | ||
| Maurice was a world champion. | ||
| But Boss had that Holland style and as an MMA fighter, he was like one of the first guys we ever saw that could kick so fucking hard. | ||
| But if you watch this fight, what you learn is like what Conor McGregor figured out. | ||
| What Conor McGregor figured out is that what holds a lot of these guys back is movement. | ||
| And so if you look at Tony Fricklin as he's moving towards Anderson, his movement, he's very limited. | ||
| Like he can't cover distance quick enough. | ||
| He has to make these little hop steps, hop steps. | ||
| He can't just slide in and blast things. | ||
| Conor is fluid with his movement in and out to the point where he can step forward, and obviously wouldn't be able to do that with Anderson Silva, but he can step forward and step in and step out. | ||
| Like when he fought Jose Aldo, one of the most important parts of that fight was that Aldo was trying to figure out the movement of Conor. | ||
| Go to that fight, Jose Aldo versus Conor McGregor, and what Conor was doing so good was sliding forward and sliding back. | ||
| There's like that one moment, because it's a very short fight, but there's the one moment where he like feints a thing and jumps back. | ||
| Right here. | ||
| See how he pops? | ||
| But look how like... | ||
| He's in and out. | ||
| He's moving a lot. | ||
| And it's a different thing. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Slides back and drops the fucking left hammer on his chin. | ||
| And it's that movement that's so critical in a really high level. | ||
| Look how fluid he slides back. | ||
| Launches that punch at the same time. | ||
| It's very interesting to me too because it was a different intensity in his movement than like when he fought other guys like Chad Mendez another because he respected what Aldo throws like Aldo throws heat and especially in that first round when Aldo's furious at you for disrespecting him like he knows he's coming with like a bomb But yeah, just but it's superior movement. | ||
| It's also new unorthodox movement boom I mean, in a lot of ways, they've been doing that shit in karate tournaments forever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But people hadn't figured it out in MMA yet. | ||
| I mean, if you look at a lot of what Conor had done with his stance and his movement, a lot of it resembles what you see in the karate point tournaments, where they would leap in and drop a shot on you and leap out. | ||
| But they weren't fighting stationary people like Aldo that just charged forward. | ||
| But Aldo got used to fighting in that manner. | ||
| Fighting Muay Thai guys and that kind of MMA look. | ||
| It's a completely different look. | ||
| Yeah, the MMA look, the wrestling look. | ||
| You know what's really fascinating to me just on this kind of evolution was... | ||
| God, what's his name? | ||
| Cejudo? | ||
| The guy who fucked Demetrius Johnson? | ||
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Henry Cejudo. | |
| Henry Cejudo. | ||
| Who just... | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| Who fights like him now. | ||
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He's fighting like Conor. | |
| Now all of a sudden he adopted this style. | ||
| And you're like, holy shit, this style gives people real problems in MMA. And it's like, I mean, maybe I'm wrong about this, but it reminds me a little bit of almost like Machida type thing. | ||
| You're not wrong at all. | ||
| It's this weird karate kind of thing. | ||
| It's like this weird evolution, like once you have all the other shit. | ||
| And what Conor does is he's also got really good traditional boxing. | ||
| A lot of MMA guys couldn't do 10 rounds with Mayweather. | ||
| He's also got boxing, so he can kind of mix it up With, like, traditional boxing attacks and this crazy other shit. | ||
| So what's crazy about him is he'll be, like, throwing, like, these crazy spinning, like, cartwheel kicks, and then he'll just have, like, a one-two that was, like, perfect. | ||
| Which, that's new to MMA. We haven't seen a lot of that in the past. | ||
| And, you know, it's... | ||
| Those kicks are longer, too. | ||
| You're dealing with something that reaches much further than the traditional Muay Thai techniques or straight boxing techniques. | ||
| He's throwing sidekicks. | ||
| His head is so far away from you. | ||
| When he's throwing a sidekick, if he's touching you in the chest of the sidekick, there's no opportunity for you to counterpunch. | ||
| He's way over there. | ||
| He's bent sideways. | ||
| His head is way out of reach. | ||
| You might be able to catch him with a kick if he comes forward after he drops the sidekick if you're in range. | ||
| But you might get pushed back. | ||
| There's a lot of factors involved in fighting a guy who fights like that. | ||
| And Cejudo's figured that out. | ||
| And then he just dropped some bombs on Wilson Hayes. | ||
| Which is, you know, I mean, obviously, like, you know, Demetrius Johnson is like head and shoulders above everybody else. | ||
| And he made quick work of him. | ||
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| But that was like at least to me like a little like glimpse of like oh well maybe if this guy is this good a grappler and is figuring striking out like this maybe he's the guy who could you know like be a good a good contender. | ||
| It may may happen very well I mean he might challenge him one day but what Henry Cejudo represents is like extreme talent a real sponge for knowledge and information and he's got a guy that's in his division that's the king that's in my opinion the greatest martial artist of all time. | ||
| I don't think there's anybody that's been a better representation of what's possible in modern martial arts better than Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Because he just doesn't get hit, and he fucks everybody up, and you can't hit him, man. | ||
| He's coming at you, and then all of a sudden he's over here, and then you got a knee in your body, and then you got punched in the face, and you're trying to figure out what the fuck's happening. | ||
| All of a sudden you're on your back, and he's dropping hammer fists on you, and by the time you're reacting to that, he's got you in an armbar. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck just happened to me? | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to argue with that. | ||
| He just got steamrolled. | ||
| He fights like he's a specialist at every discipline. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's like... | ||
| You feel like he could beat all the specialists at their discipline in MMA. He might be able to. | ||
| It's like what George St. Pierre used to kind of do. | ||
| But yeah, I do think in modern MMA and more dominant, not going to decisions, destroying everybody. | ||
| He's about to break the record. | ||
| Hard to argue with. | ||
| About to. | ||
| You know, who knows? | ||
| Ray Boyd's still a tough customer. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I shouldn't grant him a victory. | ||
| Like when Weidman knocked out Anderson Silva. | ||
| Nobody saw that coming. | ||
| This is a crazy sport. | ||
| Oh, it is a crazy sport, and it seems like nobody can escape it. | ||
| It takes the toughest, most invincible person you can think of. | ||
| Anderson Silva was a ninja, an untouchable ninja, and then you see him crying in the center of the ring with a shattered, not shattered, but whatever, a split-up shinboat. | ||
| It's Chuck Liddell, all these guys. | ||
| We saw Junior Dos Santos drop a bomb on Cain Velasquez, and Cain collapsed. | ||
| You're like, wow, even Cain can get KO'd. | ||
| And then Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| Who at that point, then I was like, well, after that you're like, I guess we're living in Junior Dos Santos' world. | ||
| I mean, this guy's destroyed everyone. | ||
| And then to watch him get oof. | ||
| He got nuked by Kane in the rematch. | ||
| Kane just came back and beat the fuck out of him. | ||
| But Kane in the first fight really probably shouldn't have been fighting, but it was the first big fight on Fox. | ||
| And he had a fucked up knee, man. | ||
| He couldn't move right. | ||
| And he just couldn't get out of the way. | ||
| His only two losses were when he was coming off an injury. | ||
| I believe he was coming off an injury against Fabrizio Verdum as well. | ||
| Well, he was always coming off injuries by that time. | ||
| That is a problem. | ||
| But the real problem with the Fabricio Verdun fight was that he didn't prepare in Mexico City. | ||
| Because Mexico City is at 7,500 feet above sea level, which is where I was in Utah last week. | ||
| I couldn't imagine, if you didn't train there, that you could be adapted to it the way Fabricio was. | ||
| Because Fabricio is smart. | ||
| He was there for like, I think a couple months. | ||
| At sea level, training, doing his entire camp in Mexico, like way, even above 7,500. | ||
| I think he got up to the 8,000s. | ||
| It seemed, in the fight, like that made a big difference. | ||
| Pretty hard to argue because Kane is known as being the cardio king. | ||
| Fabricio, no, knock on his cardio, but that's not what he's known for. | ||
| He's not known for being like the cardio. | ||
| And to see him outlast him, it was like, oh yeah. | ||
| It's almost like Kane had so much confidence in his cardio, because this is what he's been known for since before he got in the UFC. He's got this unbelievable tank that he was like, no, I'll be fine with that. | ||
| And it didn't work out okay. | ||
| But I'll say, and I know he's an injury case, but the Kane Velasquez that showed up to UFC 200 that fought Travis Brown, I don't see any heavyweight beating that guy. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Fabricio beat him. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if he would be able to beat him again. | ||
| But see, the thing is, Fabricio, his striking improved radically. | ||
| And he's got long reach. | ||
| He's a big, tall guy. | ||
| And he's strong as fuck. | ||
| And if you take him down, good goddamn luck. | ||
| And that's what everybody found. | ||
| If there's another argument for anybody being the greatest heavyweight of all time besides Kane, it's Fabricio. | ||
| And Fabricio might have a better argument. | ||
| Because Fabricio submitted all the greats. | ||
| He submitted Fedor Emelianenko, submitted Minotaur Noguera, submitted Cain Velasquez. | ||
| I mean, Fabricio submitted fucking everybody. | ||
| He's got some amazing wins. | ||
| Amazing wins, yeah. | ||
| If he didn't get KO'd by Stipe and fighting out of composure. | ||
| He was fighting very emotionally. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Chasing Stipe. | ||
| I mean, just got wild. | ||
| He was in Brazil. | ||
| He wanted to fucking get after it. | ||
| You know, he was pumped up. | ||
| They're in Brazil. | ||
| He's the heavyweight champ. | ||
| He's fired up. | ||
| But I think he might have underestimated what a bad motherfucker Stipe Miocic is. | ||
| And how the Stipe could do the same thing Conor did. | ||
| Slide away and drop that right hand. | ||
| Like, Stipe's a fucking elite athlete. | ||
| Stipe's a monster. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| I think I slept on him a little bit too much for a long time. | ||
| But no, you see it in, you know, he's proved it. | ||
| Like in his last few fights. | ||
| But I was blown away by how reckless Fabrizio fought him. | ||
| I mean, he just charged him. | ||
| Like straight on charged him. | ||
| That's a dangerous way to fight any MMA fighter. | ||
| Yeah, he made a mistake. | ||
| He made a mistake and I think he made that mistake because he got caught before that. | ||
| I think he got clipped before that and he got emotional because he got clipped and he tried to just like really ramp it up and overcompensate. | ||
| Like if you watch that fight, before Stipe knocks him out, he catches him a couple times. | ||
| Stipe's a sharp boxer. | ||
| Very, very sharp hands, and he catches you on the chin. | ||
| Whoo, he could put people away. | ||
| Obviously, he's putting everybody away now. | ||
| Put away Aleister Overeem, arguably the greatest striker who ever fought in MMA. You know, K-1 Grand Prix champion, Strikeforce champion, Dream champion. | ||
| Got dropped and got right back up and knocked him out. | ||
| That's pretty impressive. | ||
| It's a fucking animal, yeah. | ||
| And when I was talking to him after the fight, he thought he got kicked. | ||
| He didn't even remember he got punched. | ||
| He was like, I don't know what the fuck happened. | ||
| He wasn't sure. | ||
| He was like, all I know is I won. | ||
| Yeah, well, both of them thought they won. | ||
| He's at the highest level so far. | ||
| You know, Stipe in his athleticism, his ability to move, his ability to overcome obstacles. | ||
| Like, Junior had kicked the shit out of his leg to the point where he had this giant hematoma on his shin. | ||
| He still knocked him out. | ||
| Yeah, that was a very interesting fight. | ||
| I mean, it was super quick, but it was like a lot of action super quick. | ||
| No, I'd love to see a healthy Kane come back and fight Stipe. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what the extent of his injuries are and why he's been sidelined so long. | ||
| I mean, you'd have to talk to him personally. | ||
| But what I'm hoping is that... | ||
| I know a lot of it was back issues and shoulder issues. | ||
| He had shoulder surgery, knee surgery, back surgery. | ||
| I mean, he had several surgeries. | ||
| It's just that style is so aggressive and so physically dependent. | ||
| I mean, he's just so fucking overwhelming that a lot of it is like mental toughness. | ||
| The mental toughness to push past everybody. | ||
| Sometimes your body just can't keep up. | ||
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| And so, like, in general, probably every high-level MMA, UFC fighter at this point, I mean, what they're doing to their body, what they're putting their body through is, It's like really pushing yourself to the absolute limit constantly. | ||
| Then, as you mentioned, his style is particularly physical. | ||
| And he comes from a camp that's notoriously a very, very tough camp. | ||
| Those guys are known for getting in wars and really, really training hard. | ||
| So I'm sure all of that shit doesn't It's too bad because if Kane had such amazing cardio and great footwork and beautiful striking technique as well as like real elite wrestling technique, if Kane fought more in a Mighty Mouse sense, it's just one of the reasons what made Mighty Mouse so good, is that like if Kane used his cardio not in like a blunt way but more in a surgical way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, if Kane, like in the Junior Dos Santos fight in particular, he caught him like real early in the second fight and clipped him with the right hand and hurt him and rocked him and just decided to maul him. | ||
| Just got all over him and mauled him. | ||
| But he took a lot of damage in the process. | ||
| They both did. | ||
| They both hit each other. | ||
| And Kane overwhelmingly dominated the fight, but it wasn't the way Mighty Mouse does. | ||
| Mighty Mouse doesn't get hit. | ||
| He's there, and then he's here, and then you're getting hit. | ||
| And then he's on your clinch, and then boom, you get a knee in the chin. | ||
| And then boom, you're getting elbowed. | ||
| And then boom, you're getting tripped. | ||
| And then he's just doing things. | ||
| He's got this repertoire of possibilities that no one else has. | ||
| Whereas Kane just had this ferocious attitude, powerful striking, and ungodly cardio. | ||
| Just coming at you, bitch. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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| It's kind of one of the things Mayweather was talking about. | ||
| I see him, like, in a few different interviews leading up to the Conner fight. | ||
| But just talking about the fact, like, it's a crazy thing that, like, it does almost seem like fans like the guy who takes a lot of head damage more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they don't like the guy who avoids those wars and avoids that shit. | ||
| But it's like, you sit there and look at the way Muhammad Ali left and the way Floyd Mayweather's leaving. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And it's like, okay, I get it. | ||
| The fans love Rope-A-Dope more. | ||
| But, like... | ||
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| It's kind of hard to argue with that. | ||
| Yeah, Floyd going out beating Conor is really the perfect way to do it, too. | ||
| Because, you know, he really didn't take much damage in that fight. | ||
| Took one good solid uppercut in the first round and then kind of like took over. | ||
| So he gets his big 50th win and then really gets to show that it's really about boxing. | ||
| It's not about slugging and standing there. | ||
| But when people talk about him, they don't talk about him with the same reverence that they talk about like Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward. | ||
| Because they were more entertaining. | ||
| Like, the people that get entertained, you know, by the style, the fighter, the wild, crazy slugger, they love those guys, you know? | ||
| I mean, we all love those guys. | ||
| Like, I mean, who doesn't love, you know, Travis Brown vs. | ||
| Andrei Orlovsky, like, a fight like that. | ||
| I mean, it's like, and to see things like, to see somebody come back after getting, like, There's something incredible about that. | ||
| It's an amazing thing that MMA... When you were talking about Stipe not knowing whether it was a kick or a punch, it's this amazing thing that MMA does where you find out someone's true character when they're in a storm. | ||
| And that's amazing. | ||
| But if you are that person... | ||
| You know it's just a little bit different like there's human elements involved too and like you got a family you got kids you want to think for the rest of your life you want to like and how can you argue with Floyd I mean the guy made the most money and took the least damage yeah and has the best record I mean how can you argue with that and figured out a way to neutralize really dangerous people like Canelo Alvarez Forget about the Conor fight. | ||
| Conor was obviously outmatched, but if you look at his fights with really elite knockout artists like Manny Pacquiao neutralized him. | ||
| Canelo Alvarez neutralized him. | ||
| Pretty much everybody he fought. | ||
| He just fought a style that was more entertaining because you wanted him to lose. | ||
| His brilliance was that he got you to hate him so that you would buy a fight hoping that the guy was going to kick his ass. | ||
| I remember doing this thing. | ||
| I was on a radio show that Brian Stan called into. | ||
| It was an MMA radio show on Sirius Radio that they used to use me on sometimes, and Brian Stan called in. | ||
| I remember he was just talking about, like, I forget what the topic was. | ||
| At first it was like Joe Silva had just left and he wasn't matchmaking anymore and he just started talking about how tough the job is of matchmaking and how much it fucks with you when someone gets knocked out real bad and then you're like, ah, maybe I shouldn't have made that match. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You kind of feel like, oh, maybe I threw someone in at the wrong time. | ||
| And I was kind of like, oh man, that's a human element I really never think about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In that job. | ||
| And then we were talking about GSP coming back. | ||
| And he was like, yeah, you know, I just don't think GSP should come back. | ||
| Like, what's he got to prove? | ||
| And what's he going to do? | ||
| You know, why risk the brain damage, you know? | ||
| And then it's like this weird thing. | ||
| Like, you never think about that as a fan. | ||
| But when you start meeting the guys and they actually become people. | ||
| Like, I met Michael Bisbing. | ||
| Lewis does a show with him. | ||
| They do a podcast, Believe You May. | ||
| Really great podcast. | ||
| How do they do it? | ||
| They do it through Skype? | ||
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| Yeah, they Skype, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, so he's in LA, and Lewis is in New York, and they Skype it. | ||
| And then, like, when they're on the coast, they'll do it together. | ||
| But, uh, but so, you know, like, you get to know him, like, hang a few times, and, like, your friends, and then you're kind of like, oh, yeah, no, I don't want to see you go fight one of these killers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Go to GSP and then retire after that, dude. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You've had a great career. | ||
| You're the champ. | ||
| You get a huge money fight now. | ||
| You're great at that commentating thing. | ||
| It's just like when you know someone personally, it's a little bit more like, ah, nah, dude. | ||
| But when you're just a fan, it's like, alright, I want to see you fight Joel Romero and then Whitaker and then this guy. | ||
| But when you know someone, you're like, that guy's a monster. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It makes my job way harder if I like the guy. | ||
| I imagine. | ||
| And I know it's going to be a mismatch. | ||
| You find out somebody you really care for is going to fight somebody that is just going to light him up, and you're like, ooh, how are you going to win this? | ||
| You had that very public moment with Brendan Shaw, but it was a very interesting, compelling moment because it's like a thing where it's like, yeah, you're talking to your friend, but you're also an MMA analyst. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm talking to a good friend who I knew as a good friend was already one foot out the door and had a bunch of other things that were going on and was one of the rare guys that has massive potential to do things outside the sport. | ||
| Yeah, he's killing it. | ||
| He's doing great. | ||
| I mean, I was right. | ||
| Look, I mean, he's smashing it with his podcast, smashing it with the Fighter and the Kid podcast he does with Count, smashing it with his live touring. | ||
| It was amazing to see him. | ||
| He did a fucking great job on all the stuff leading up to Conor Bryant. | ||
| He was excellent. | ||
| He was like the only MMA analyst who was in there kind of breaking shit down. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| So yeah, it's like, why all that to just have one or two more fights and maybe take some real bad? | ||
| See, if he really wanted to do that, like if he was obsessed, and that's what he wanted to do. | ||
| He wanted to win the heavyweight title, and that was what 100% of his focus was. | ||
| But... | ||
| He wasn't there. | ||
| I mean, maybe it was when he first started his career, and oftentimes your motivation shifts. | ||
| You get knocked out a few times. | ||
| And he had been knocked out several times by then. | ||
| He got knocked out by Minotauro. | ||
| He got knocked out by Big Ben Rothwell. | ||
| He got smashed by Travis Brown. | ||
| He got knocked out by Roy Nelson. | ||
| And these are out-cold knockouts. | ||
| So, like, there were so many of them, and I was seeing it so often. | ||
| And then towards the end, I was noticing... | ||
| Just a lack of enthusiasm. | ||
| It wasn't the same fire that allowed him to knock out Mirko Krokop. | ||
| It wasn't the same sort of intensity. | ||
| You told me last time I was on the show that you've experienced that smart guys have a tougher time coming back from getting knocked out. | ||
| Because I found that really interesting. | ||
| Maybe that's part of the case with him. | ||
| It's like it's hard to avoid knowing the information. | ||
| Yeah, well, certainly, I mean, if you're a person who... | ||
| I mean, you could be a smart person and just compartmentalize things and figure out how to control the variables in your mind and just be refocused on what you're doing. | ||
| It's not to say that people who come back aren't smart. | ||
| But I think, I mean, people, it's not to say also that people who fight aren't smart, because a lot of people think of fighters as not being smart. | ||
| I think that's not true at all. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people who fight who aren't smart. | ||
| But I think the people who excel have exceptional mind... | ||
| Some of them are very smart. | ||
| I mean, you look like a guy like Dominic Cruz. | ||
| It's like a very smart guy. | ||
| I mean, there's guys like that. | ||
| Brian Stamm, very intelligent guy. | ||
| And then when you go to champions, like Mighty Mouse is super smart. | ||
| He's a very, very articulate guy and doesn't show any damage at all. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure there are some meatheads also out there. | ||
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| But, you know, it's certainly like a mix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Carlos Condit, he's another one. | ||
| There's a lot of guys who fight that just aren't like that though. | ||
| There's a lot of guys who are just like super aggressive and they just do well and they kick ass and, you know, the guys who know that they're experiencing traumatic brain injury. | ||
| They understand the consequences are, they're unavoidable. | ||
| Unless there's some new medical breakthrough that allows you to heal CTE, which is super possible. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, if you described the medical breakthroughs we have now, 50 years ago, you'd be talking about, you know, magic. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| My good buddy, Steve Graham, was on the U.S. ski team, like, in the 1980s. | ||
| And he had scars. | ||
| When I first met him, he had already had, like... | ||
| I mean in his life I want to say he's had more than 20 knee surgeries and I think I'm being super conservative because I think it's way more than that I think he literally had he's had 50 surgeries including eye surgeries he's had shoulder surgery everything but when I met him his knees were so fucked up he had these big slices up and down the side of his knees where they had opened him up and tried to screw things back together again from skiing just mangling his knees in the old days of skiing And | ||
| those same operations today, I have one on this knee, you can't even see the scar. | ||
| It's little tiny dots because they did it arthroscopically and they put in a cadaver unit and it healed. | ||
| In six months I was doing jujitsu again. | ||
| No pain, no loss of range of motion, everything feels stronger than it felt before. | ||
| So like that's just the medical science that occurred in 20 years. | ||
| 20 years from his operation to my operation. | ||
| What's it gonna be 20 years from now? | ||
| It's totally possible they'll develop some sort of stem cell technique to regenerate brain tissue. | ||
| Yeah, well, this is why it's so it's so crazy the moment in human history we're at where we're like guys if we can just not kill each other for like another couple years We might do some really beautiful amazing shit, right? | ||
| Like we really might we might it's really why it's crazy that one of our big threats is North Korea. | ||
| Yeah Because that represents one of the oldest styles of running a country ever. | ||
| Yeah, and it's really... | ||
| I think Trump's been really bad on that issue, and that is terrifying. | ||
| I was really happy when you had Michael Malice on, because I've learned a lot about him. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He knows so much about it. | ||
| His book, Dear Readers, excellent. | ||
| Yes, it's an excellent book, and he's just a fascinating human being, that guy. | ||
| But it's like you have, as we were saying before, it's like a hostage situation, but the guy holding the hostages has nukes, which makes that a very different type of hostage situation. | ||
| And he's shooting them in the sky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's shooting the duds over Japan. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But there also is, like, people, because, again, the media, which just absolutely has a blind spot for, like, the military-industrial complex and the horror of American wars. | ||
| So you don't get the full picture, I think. | ||
| Like, to me, it's very logical why he's shooting off rockets left and right. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I mean, self-preservation is a pretty obvious motivator. | ||
| And people like Gaddafi who come out and say, oh, okay, international community, you said you don't want us to have nuclear arms, so then we'll disarm. | ||
| We'll end our nuclear program. | ||
| They do that, we move in there and throw them out. | ||
| And Gaddafi ends up getting sodomized to death. | ||
| You know, so that's like, if you're this guy, you're like, well, I'm going to not go that route. | ||
| So now I'm going to show you, and basically he's showing you, I can fucking nuke. | ||
| I can nuke these fucking places if you come at me. | ||
| That being said, you know, he's a madman. | ||
| He's definitely a madman. | ||
| Who's holding his people, you know, hostage. | ||
| And it's horrific. | ||
| But there are like certain... | ||
| Okay, if you have a hostage situation, there are some reasonable ways to handle that and some ridiculous ways to handle that. | ||
| So like when you have a hostage situation, I think it's reasonable to negotiate. | ||
| With the guy. | ||
| I think it's reasonable to take him out if you have a shot. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| If someone has a shot and like too many people won't be hurt, we can take him out, take the shot. | ||
| What you don't do is stand outside and start talking shit to the guy who's got the hostages. | ||
| Yeah, no, Trump's not thinking it's anything other than like a Rosie O'Donnell. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Like the way he talks shit about Rosie O'Donnell, he's calling this guy Rocket Man. | ||
| Which I kind of like with Rosie O'Donnell. | ||
| You know, there's a thing about Trump, I'm no fan of his, but there's something, I kind of get a thrill, I get a kick out of how he'd, you know, piss off people who I'm not a huge fan of. | ||
| Right, lying Ted. | ||
| I'll tell you though, I love... | ||
| Crazy Hillary. | ||
| When he did the thing... | ||
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| Yes, all the stuff. | ||
| I love the nicknames until it was Rocket Man. | ||
| I was really into the nicknames. | ||
| And you're like, whoa, hey, buddy, this isn't funny anymore. | ||
| This guy's got nukes. | ||
| But there's the... | ||
| Well, look, when he... | ||
| It was Morning Joe, the co-host Mika Brzezinski... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So she made a thing on the show where there was a picture on Time Magazine with Trump like this, with his hands under his arms, and she made a joke on the show, and she goes, oh, how come he doesn't want to show his hands? | ||
| Maybe because they're teeny. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That was the joke she made. | ||
| It's a little dick joke. | ||
| I mean, that's what she was making on her show. | ||
| So Donald Trump, like, immediately tweets out. | ||
| I think about her and he goes, when she was at my party, she had scars from the facelift. | ||
| No, she was still bleeding. | ||
| She was still bleeding from the facelift. | ||
| They asked me to sit with her. | ||
| Did not go. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| So it's this thing. | ||
| Now, then, of course, the media goes right into the mode of like, how could you insult a woman's, you know, like, And it's like, I don't know, man. | ||
| Like, if you can't take the heat, get out of the fucking... | ||
| Well, don't make fun of his hands. | ||
| If you're gonna make a little dick joke... | ||
| And then people are like, actual journalists. | ||
| Like, grown-up people who consider themselves journalists. | ||
| I saw reporting a week later. | ||
| It's been confirmed that Mika Brzezinski wasn't even at that event and didn't even... | ||
| Yeah, you fucking idiots. | ||
| This isn't a real thing. | ||
| He's just getting her back. | ||
| Like, she hit him and he's hitting her back. | ||
| Like, yes, if you're vain enough to be having plastic surgery, probably you're not going out while you're still bleeding from the plastic surgery. | ||
| But, like, the point is, and I kind of like that about Trump, it's like, oh, finally, someone being unapologetic and being like, oh, you hit me, I'll hit you back. | ||
| Okay, well, this is where I disagree with you hardcore, because I think it's stupid and childish. | ||
| And what he did was so fucking dumb, it's beneath being the President of the United States. | ||
| And this idea that you're going to make up a story about a woman bleeding from plastic surgery to get over because she said you have little hands, that's some weak bitch shit. | ||
| Okay, as you repeat it back to me, it does sound like some weak bitch shit. | ||
| It's weak bitch shit. | ||
| If that was your friend, hold on a second, if that was your friend, and one of your friends was making fun of the fact that you had small hands, and so you went on a radio show or a podcast and made up a whole story That's a bitch move. | ||
| Okay, so I'll agree with you on that. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It is kind of a bitch move. | ||
| No, it's 100% a bitch move. | ||
| So I'll agree with you. | ||
| Unless it really happened. | ||
| Even so, I could get where you could say it's kind of a bitch move. | ||
| Like, you should be above this. | ||
| But I get what I enjoy about it, is if then, everybody else, like 95% of the mainstream media's reaction is, how could you attack a woman's looks? | ||
| And you're like, Ha ha, you dummies. | ||
| Maybe you'll think next time about... | ||
| I hate the thing that Mika feels entitled to make a small dick joke, and then feels entitled the next day to play the, are you insulting a woman's looks? | ||
| It's actually worse, right? | ||
| If he was telling the truth. | ||
| Because what she's saying, he has no control over. | ||
| He has no control over the size of his hands that he was born with. | ||
| But she does have control over whether or not she's so vain she lets a doctor stick a tube down her throat and cut her half-alive body and stitch it tighter to give the illusion of youth. | ||
| Now, I don't think that really happened. | ||
| At least that's what a lot of people are saying. | ||
| Probably the story isn't right. | ||
| But if it did happen, and he was talking about that after she was talking shit, then it makes sense. | ||
| What doesn't make sense is it's not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I guess what I do agree with you, the point you made. | ||
| So I will walk back that a little bit. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It's kind of a shitty move. | ||
| But there's just something... | ||
| You like the fact that... | ||
| I like that someone's fighting back against the PC authoritarianism, which I do see as a really big fucking problem. | ||
| I don't see this as a little problem that's annoying. | ||
| I think it's a really big problem, and I don't care about the dignity of the president. | ||
| I like that being undermined as much as possible. | ||
| I don't think the whole idea that there's dignity to this bullshit job that shouldn't even exist, I hate. | ||
| So I like that aspect of Trump. | ||
| Dude, what did you think about when Bourdain got shit? | ||
| Because they asked him at the airport, just one of them TMZ things, you're walking through the airport. | ||
| They go, if you had to cook for Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump, what would you serve? | ||
| He goes, hemlock. | ||
| And then he leaves. | ||
| That's a fucking Bourdain throwaway funny punchline, obviously. | ||
| That's just good chef humor right there. | ||
| Goddamn, dude, I was looking at all the comments and so many of them were using hashtag POTUS to talk about POTUS that way. | ||
| They were talking about it like he's the king. | ||
| Like these sheep. | ||
| But they also switch sides. | ||
| It's like the Obama people and the Trump people are so happy to just, just literally one day, oh, you take that position and I'll take this position now. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| No feeling of like, oh, this is a little bit weird. | ||
| I was literally three days ago lecturing people about how he's our president and now I'm like, not my president. | ||
| Like, you don't feel any, any, you know, and there's this thing that I go, you know, I remember you said this and I've quoted this many times on my show. | ||
| Part of the problem. | ||
| My podcast. | ||
| There. | ||
| Get a plug-in. | ||
| Powerful part of the problem. | ||
| Powerful part of the problem. | ||
| No more alliteration. | ||
| I don't know if you were quoting someone, or this was yours originally, but you were describing the Occupy Wall Street movement, and you used the white blood cells Yes. | ||
| As the way to describe them. | ||
| You might have been quoting someone else when you said it, or maybe it was yours originally, but I remember hearing you say this. | ||
| I think it was mine. | ||
| What I was saying is, obviously there's a disease, and they don't know exactly what it is, but the white blood cells are moving in, and they're surrounding this infection. | ||
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That's right. | |
| They're trying to figure out what it is. | ||
| I thought it was like such a perfect analogy and it applies to Occupy Wall Street. | ||
| It also applied to like the Tea Party movement and some other way and you write the point of being like look a white blood cell does not Understand the complexity of a virus. | ||
| It doesn't have the cure for a virus. | ||
| It doesn't have like that, but it knows Corruption rush. | ||
| Yeah, like that's the thing It's like corrupt and rush and I think that a lot of the Trump thing is that too It's like white blood cells, and they know that this PC authoritarian thing, that Trump fights that. | ||
| They know that's the virus, and this is, to them, the most anti... | ||
| Twitter audit report. | ||
| He has half fake... | ||
| People. | ||
| You know, I did that to me today, and I posted it on Instagram. | ||
| I'm very happy with the results. | ||
| You're doing way better than Trump. | ||
| Way better than that motherfucker. | ||
| I don't have any fake people on Twitter, because first of all, I'm not the president. | ||
| I think when you're the president, you automatically get like a shit ton of fake people. | ||
| Billionaire GOP patron behind Trump's social media bot army. | ||
| Yeah, of course he has a media bot. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Why would he not use that? | ||
| I mean, it's just like, to him, that's like a tool. | ||
| It's like when the Samurais refused to adopt gunfire. | ||
| They refused to adopt firearms. | ||
| They're like, fuck that shit. | ||
| We're using bows and arrows and swords like men. | ||
| And they got gunned down. | ||
| That was the end of the Japanese Empire as we knew it at the time. | ||
| It's an agent version of what Kodak did. | ||
| Oh, right, right, right. | ||
| Kodak was like when digital came out, they were like, yeah, we don't really like digital. | ||
| We'll be the film guys. | ||
| Yeah, fuck off. | ||
| You guys go with digital. | ||
| And after a while, they tried. | ||
| They put out some digital cameras, but then the cameras were on phones. | ||
| Too late, bitch. | ||
| You missed the whole thing. | ||
| You were an industry leader. | ||
| Yeah, you went way behind the curve. | ||
| But you're the number one typewriter distributor now. | ||
| That's all it means. | ||
| If you're running for president, Dave Smith, and you don't use a bot army, I'll be very disappointed in you. | ||
| I'll be like, how can I give you my support if you're not even willing to use a bot army? | ||
| We need bots. | ||
| We're talking about Smith-24 now? | ||
| Yes, Smith-24. | ||
| I think bots are like old technology at that point. | ||
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Oh, you're right. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm like, dude, I'm not going to get elected with that crap. | ||
| How short-sided of me. | ||
| Dude, that's 2020 thinking. | ||
| That's bullshit thinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the new stuff is all... | ||
| You've got to figure out a hack into neural implants. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I'm also... | ||
| A lot of my campaign is going to be running against the previous four years of the Kanye West administration and everything that they did wrong. | ||
| I'm going to be like, look, Trump didn't solve the problem. | ||
| Kanye didn't solve the problem. | ||
| Now let's take a nice libertarian position. | ||
| We'll be ready. | ||
| Kanye will have established a colony in Africa and he will have redesigned Calabasas in Africa and They'll all be just driving around and Bentleys and shit and ducking lions It's like it really is though like it's it's almost like seems anything seems plausible. | ||
| It's a reality show. | ||
| We're living in a reality show. | ||
| But it is a thing that it is like like Andrew Breitbart said and this is what I've realized over the last year is that a Politics is downstream from culture. | ||
| Yeah, that was the truth. | ||
| I completely missed this and Maybe not completely, but I definitely underplayed how important the culture is and how that really dictates. | ||
| It's not like, oh, if you went to Central Africa tomorrow and went, don't worry, I changed the minimum wage law, things will be okay. | ||
| It's like there's a cultural element that you have to account for also. | ||
| And the Donald Trump thing, it's just kind of like... | ||
| What's so interesting to me is, like, Trump's a buffoon, and he's a cartoon. | ||
| I mean, literally a cartoon. | ||
| Like, he's got the color of him, the color of his skin, the color of his hair. | ||
| Like, you watch CNN... Poorly fitting suits, his overweight body, and his crazy hair. | ||
| You're watching the news, and then a cartoon character comes on. | ||
| But in this weird way, he's had this ability to, like, hold up a mirror to the rest of American... | ||
| He's also a billionaire, so he's undeniably a winner, as far as we decide. | ||
| Hard to argue that. | ||
| And then on top of that, he's unapologetic. | ||
| And that's something we all admire, because we all wish we could do that, because we can't. | ||
| And that's something that pisses off the left very much. | ||
| That, I think, is right at the heart of why they hate Trump, which is something I'm fascinated by. | ||
| And I really think being an unapologetic white man rubs the left wrong. | ||
| Like, look, you can be a white man, and you can be an ally, But you gotta be down here. | ||
| You know, you can't be like up here. | ||
| You can't be like, hey, I have an opinion and this is how I feel. | ||
| You gotta be down here like, I have an opinion and I know my opinion's been overrepresented throughout history. | ||
| Listen, Jamie Kilstein has taken enough heat. | ||
| You don't have to go after him again right here on this podcast like you just did. | ||
| I saw what you did. | ||
| No, I will welcome Jamie back. | ||
| I will too. | ||
| I will, with open arms, welcome Jamie back. | ||
| He did some silly things. | ||
| Got a little carried away. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| People make bad decisions. | ||
| He got influenced by a silly ideology. | ||
| And it came out. | ||
| And he did some great work for those people. | ||
| There was a fucking speech that he did in front of this giant thing in Brooklyn. | ||
| I forget what it was about. | ||
| But he was doing this speech about Donald Trump and about Black Lives Matter. | ||
| It was really well-worded stuff, whether you agree with it or not. | ||
| He did good work inside that little sort of paradigm. | ||
| I met Jamie Kilstein when I was a brand new comedian, just starting stand-up comedy, and he was, to me, Like doing things that were really cool. | ||
| He was on the road with Stan Hope and like to me that was like oh you're like you made it like that's amazing like you're doing the thing that we all want to do and he was just super kind and helpful to me when I was a young comic and so I always just have like a As a person, I like Jamie. | ||
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Right. | |
| And all the things I don't like about Jamie were me, like, seeing him on your show, or seeing something he tweeted, or something like that. | ||
| So it's like, as a person, I always liked him, and then the public persona, like, he owes a few people apologies, but I'd be happy to. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think we're all vulnerable to a certain extent, and we're vulnerable to, like, if you tap into a vein and you have success with a certain way of behaving and thinking, and you, you know, you put blinders on because this is benefiting you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, you see that financially with people, what we were talking about before. | ||
| You see that culturally, socially, and I think Jamie tapped into this social vein of success in this very extreme ideology, this extreme feminist, male feminist ally ideology, the denial of the differences between the men and the women. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| He's a cliche in a lot of ways, right? | ||
| Because he's a small guy and, you know, he's very slight and you always see a small guy who's a vegan and a feminist, you're like, oh, it's just, he's one of those guys. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like you fall into these weird sort of predetermined patterns of behavior, these categories, and he just was a black belt at that, you know? | ||
| But also banging chicks. | ||
| Turns out you can't be in that world and also like pussy, as it turns out. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I mean, isn't that the ultimate feminist? | ||
| He loves women top to bottom. | ||
| I don't know what the actual issue that they had with him. | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| No, I don't either. | ||
| But I will say this, okay? | ||
| That he hangs out in that social justice warrior crowd that he was hanging out with. | ||
| They will throw out the rape word for anything. | ||
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Oh, everything. | |
| You can look at someone the wrong way, and they'll call that rape. | ||
| And what they accused Jamie of was inappropriate and manipulative behavior toward women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that, I mean, literally means trying to get pussy. | ||
| Like, it's not even, you're not even exaggerating. | ||
| If you go, like, to them, to this, in this social justice warrior world, if you were to be like, hey, why don't we, like, get out of here and go back to my place, and you're like, no, we can't go, come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She said no and then you said come on. | ||
| That is inappropriate, manipulative behavior. | ||
| There was a skeptics conference and a man in an elevator asked a woman if she wanted to come to his room and have some coffee and she did a whole speech the next day. | ||
| About how men should not, if they're with a woman alone and it's late at night, do not ask them to coffee because you're going to imply that this woman is in danger and make her feel uncomfortable and all this different crazy shit. | ||
| Like, oh, so a guy was trying to fuck you. | ||
| Doesn't that happen all the time? | ||
| Like, you're making a speech about this, trying to control the behavior of men to the point where they're not men anymore? | ||
| You're trying to shape them and form them into some weird sort of PC version of you would like this no biological difference between the men and the women, men being only, you know, allies and like what? | ||
| Yeah, it's so strange. | ||
| The whole thing is so weird. | ||
| And like, you know, it's always these people who, you know, seem to be so resentful and angry at The male-female relationship and interplay and like, oh, a guy wanting to fuck you is so horrible. | ||
| Coincidentally, almost always not attractive. | ||
| You don't see a lot of 10s walking around going like, oh, it's so unfair. | ||
| There's a few that sneak in there. | ||
| A few, a few. | ||
| But you don't see a ton of them walking around. | ||
| They're like black Republicans. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| They're like the Cheryl Clarks. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they put them right up front. | ||
| They put them right up front. | ||
| Like, see? | ||
| We got a couple. | ||
| Look at her tits. | ||
| She's got giant tits and a little waist. | ||
| She's a fucking feminist. | ||
| Well, the truth is, if you want to get into a conversation, a real honest conversation about privilege, right, and who has privilege and who doesn't have privilege, I mean, hot chick privilege is pretty strong. | ||
| I mean, you know, hot chicks walk around in a different world than regular women and men do. | ||
| I mean, it's just a different thing, and that's part of the nature of, but, you know, whatever. | ||
| I mean, that's like who human beings are, but it's like you don't hear her complaining about it as much because she's winning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At this exchange. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And women have to sort of keep their mouth shut about that shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| They have to kind of, well, I don't want to get away with it. | ||
| We're working on our end over here. | ||
| You know, I saw this tweet this woman put out that said, pro tip, if you don't ever date a man who doesn't identify himself as a feminist, And I was like, that is so crazy. | ||
| That's such a crazy thing to say. | ||
| Like, first of all, pro tip is one of the douchiest things you could ever say and not say something funny. | ||
| If you say pro tip, what you say after that better be preposterous. | ||
| You see pro tip and you're serious? | ||
| You're a fucking condescending, angry person from the jump. | ||
| And it's very rarely a very successful pro who's giving me this pro tip. | ||
| Second of all, the idea of every man that you date should be a feminist. | ||
| Well, every man you date shouldn't be a person who discriminates. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| They should be open-minded. | ||
| They should be egalitarian. | ||
| But the idea that they have to subscribe to a feminist ideology, this can't just be fair and honest and Curious and have real conversations with you open and objective. | ||
| That's not good enough. | ||
| No, they have to identify with this ideology that the only way you could ever have equality, true equality within the sexes is if the man identifies as being a feminist. | ||
| Like that's what feminism is. | ||
| Feminism is not supportive women No, feminism is total uniformity, and there's no discrimination whatsoever, and until that happens, you have to be a feminist. | ||
| Yeah, and feminism to me is like modern-day feminism, at least. | ||
| It's just like a hate group. | ||
| I mean, I just don't know how else to describe them. | ||
| They're just a hate group. | ||
| It's like, if you take them at their word, You know, the way you could take any hate group at their word, you know, and they'd be like, oh, you know, we're not a hate group. | ||
| We just care about white people, white people's rights, and the white children, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then you're kind of like, oh, okay, well, let me come to a meeting. | ||
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And then by, like, that meeting, you're like, man, they sure do seem to hate black people at this meeting. | |
| We're not a hate group. | ||
| We just think that all straight white men are trash until proven otherwise. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And if you want to be there and you're of that group, you better first confess to your original sin and be guilty the whole time and be constantly repenting. | ||
| And then you can be there. | ||
| But even with them, there's a giant spectrum, right? | ||
| There's a lot of women that are just... | ||
| What they don't want is some fucking creepy boss to talk... | ||
| You know, crazy creepy sexual shit to them and they have to absorb it because they want to move up the corporate ladder and they're discriminated sexually in the office space. | ||
| They're discriminated when it comes to, you know, promotions and raises and, you know, the position in the company. | ||
| That's, yeah, that's fucking gross. | ||
| I would hate to be a woman working in an office filled with fucking men who think about trying to have sex with you all the time. | ||
| It probably sucks. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And there are certain struggles that guys are unaware of, or maybe not unaware completely because you're bringing it up right now, but we don't experience, certainly. | ||
| You don't know what it's like to walk around life as a tiny hot chick that men just constantly want to fuck. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure that comes... | ||
| And feel vulnerable. | ||
| Yes, and I'm sure being catcalled... | ||
| You know, when they first came out with that video, the one that went viral of the chick being catcalled around New York City, my first reaction was I thought it was very interesting. | ||
| And I said, because if you're a guy who doesn't catcall, Chicks, which is like the category I fall into. | ||
| That's just not my style of getting laid. | ||
| I've never thought of just being like, let me get that ass, Ma, like as you walk by me. | ||
| But I mean, you know, that did roll off the tongue kind of naturally. | ||
| So maybe I should try it. | ||
| Maybe that'll work. | ||
| It made me get nervous. | ||
| But like, so it's interesting to see that. | ||
| Because you're like, oh, I don't do that. | ||
| So as a guy who doesn't do that, I'm the only category of people who's like unaware of it. | ||
| Let me pause. | ||
| Do you know how they made that video? | ||
| I found out later. | ||
| I did find out later. | ||
| Please tell everybody, because it's hilarious. | ||
| So they took, like, hours and hours of footage. | ||
| They basically went all day long and disproportionately took footage of black neighborhoods. | ||
| They went around in circles in this black neighborhood. | ||
| In Harlem and in Times Square, in these two areas. | ||
| And they basically got a lot of black guys, you know, talking, you know, to a very attractive white chick. | ||
| A very attractive white girl with a big butt. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, the crime of the century. | ||
| But at least it's like, look, I do think there's something to be said for, like, oh, okay, look, I don't know what the experience of getting catcalled is, this might be pissing off some women, so okay, like, let's look at that. | ||
| But then there's also, like, lots of struggles of men that women don't necessarily know about. | ||
| And the problem with feminists is that, and modern feminists, is that they're not going like, hey, we both have struggles here, let's have a conversation. | ||
| We're not like, we're humanists, we're equalists, let's have a conversation. | ||
| They're like, we're feminists! | ||
| We're on this team, and we're going to talk about our struggles and lecture you about it, and you can never discuss the opposite. | ||
| And the past gets so perverted. | ||
| The past was all just oppressive gender roles toward women. | ||
| It's like, actually, in reality, there were oppressive gender roles for everybody in the past, and it's very debatable who they were more oppressive for. | ||
| Like, in my grandmother's and grandfather's day, oppressive gender roles landed my grandfather in combat fighting and war. | ||
| It wasn't like, oh, the men didn't have any struggles that the women didn't know about. | ||
| Again, we technologically advanced. | ||
| We don't need those gender roles, which we did need for lots of years before technology. | ||
| There's no way for humans to survive. | ||
| I mean, go 400 years ago and say, let's abolish gender roles. | ||
| It's like, what? | ||
| You're going to have kids until three of them die from polio. | ||
| I mean, that was the point of the Google memo. | ||
| There's still things that people gravitate towards that are male with more frequency than they do with a female. | ||
| And then you have these aberrations, these women that want to be MMA fighters, and these men that want to be florists. | ||
| And you have all the different people in between. | ||
| And to try to get equality. | ||
| And that was one of the things that was so frustrating about people, is that we're not saying that women shouldn't be equal, they can't be equal. | ||
| We're saying they're not equal. | ||
| They're not equally Represented in this particular field, this particular discipline. | ||
| Now let's explore why. | ||
| One of the things that I thought was so crazy about the Google memo was that the guy had like a page and a half of like dedicated to what would be a way to get women more interested in tech. | ||
| And he had all these citations for all these different studies that he was quoting. | ||
| And when they reprinted it in several sources, they removed the citations, and they would take these quotes out of context and highlight them and make them larger. | ||
| Which I find strange to be like, yeah, I read part of that thing, and it seemed fairly reasonable to me, and I saw it very misrepresented in the way people were talking about it on the news. | ||
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| It's just this weird thing where you're like, okay, look, if you do... | ||
| Like, equality is... | ||
| What exactly do we even mean by that? | ||
| It's like, yeah, equality under the law or something like that? | ||
| Like, okay, sure. | ||
| But no, men and women are different. | ||
| Well, men are different. | ||
| You and I are different. | ||
| You know way more about politics than I do. | ||
| And you know way more about hunting elk and shit like that. | ||
| Well, that's always going to be the case. | ||
| It's not an equal thing because we're not mathematical problems. | ||
| I've got a huge gap to close on your elk hunting knowledge. | ||
| I've got to get out of that. | ||
| That's a weird one that I probably shouldn't have dipped my toes into. | ||
| So absorbed. | ||
| No, but you're absolutely right. | ||
| But that's just the case with all humans. | ||
| It is, like snowflakes. | ||
| I mean, we're all completely different and have different... | ||
| And the idea that equality, I mean, you'll never have that of any true sense. | ||
| And then the thing with, like, okay, with women, it seems like feminists basically, like, they almost, while bashing men and bashing the traditional kind of masculine gender role, they also seem to embrace it and want that for women. | ||
| You know what they really want it for? | ||
| Transgender people. | ||
| That's where it gets super slippery, because the left wants really classic, feminine, like, transgender people. | ||
| Like, when Bruce Jenner became Caitlyn Jenner, he's painting his toes and wearing high heels and short skirts and gets a tit job, gets his jaw sawed down. | ||
| Like, you can't just be a woman. | ||
| You can't just be a manly-looking woman. | ||
| You gotta be a woman with a fucking facial surgery. | ||
| Yeah, and we go yes you you're amazing you go that's right if a girl embraces those classic gender roles like wearing high heels and short skirts and You know our tits are pushed together and like oh god you're falling into this classic gender trap That's right or or if a woman said like oh I want to be a housewife and like raise my kids and live a traditional lifestyle You know like that's or if I'm gonna move for my husband or something like that You know like that if you're a gay married man you say Go for it. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| You go, girl. | ||
| And you see the same thing happen where they literally, the same thing they'll hate if a man does. | ||
| So if you had read, you know, a feminist article about MMA seven years ago, it would have been all about, like, toxic masculinity and male aggression and all this stuff. | ||
| But as soon as Ronda Rousey was doing it, it's like, that's our girl. | ||
| Let's go do it. | ||
| Dirty comedy, offensive comedy, they're like, no, fuck that. | ||
| That's your male... | ||
| But as soon as Amy Schumer's doing it, it's like, let's go. | ||
| Like, they love... | ||
| For a woman to do all the things that they always said they hate. | ||
| And the crazy thing is like, they'll say these things where it's like, you know, like women, whatever it is, like women are... | ||
| You know, whatever percentage, like 51% of the population and they're only like 10% of Congress or something. | ||
| I'm just making these numbers up. | ||
| It's something like in that ballpark. | ||
| And they'll be like, well, this is a problem. | ||
| And you're like, well, wait a minute. | ||
| I mean, I'm all for freedom. | ||
| So if there's any barrier in someone's way, get that out of there. | ||
| But if people are free and like men choose to go be politicians and women more choose to go into like, you know, like nursing and like these other like kind of like maternalistic fields that women go into a lot. | ||
| And you're like, okay, so like Are you sure the answer is just that they should be more like men? | ||
| Maybe this is like saying something better about women. | ||
| Men are going into ruling over other people and women are going into a nurturing field. | ||
| Maybe the fact that women prioritize family over money is not a bad thing that needs to be reorganized. | ||
| Maybe that's a great thing. | ||
| There's going to be some women that choose to pursue a career at the very highest levels of capitalism and there's going to be some that have zero Interest in doing that. | ||
| And that's the same with men as well. | ||
| It's just, we can't deny the patterns that we see. | ||
| What we should figure out is like, are there barriers? | ||
| If there's barriers, unjust barriers to keep women from things, and I'm sure there are, those things we should concentrate on. | ||
| But concentrating on leveling the number of people in Congress, and that's essentially sexual affirmative action. | ||
| You want to get more women in those positions because you think that, well, how many women do you have running? | ||
| That's when you get Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Meaning, like, we want a woman to be president. | ||
| Okay, how about a lying old lady who faints a lot? | ||
| Is that one okay? | ||
| You'd be like, no, well, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Well, that's what you got. | ||
| When you wanted to get only women, you got that one, okay? | ||
| So, what the fuck do you want to do now? | ||
| Because what you're doing is, you can't just decide that you only want, you know, you want 50% men, 50% women, and all. | ||
| What about coal mining? | ||
| You want to have 50% of women die in fucking coal mining accidents? | ||
| You know the disproportionate number of men who die on the job? | ||
| It's staggering. | ||
| But that's my point with the feminist thing. | ||
| This is why they'll be like, well, we're just for equality. | ||
| It's like, okay, well, if you're just for equality, how come I never hear about how the workplace death rate is disproportionately men? | ||
| I don't mean disproportionately a little bit. | ||
| It's like over 90% men. | ||
| How about prison sentencing differences? | ||
| These are major, major things. | ||
| Where people die or get thrown in a cage. | ||
| But, you know, that doesn't come up at all. | ||
| Well, they do if it's black men. | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| But then, of course, it's also got to be the black struggle. | ||
| Racism. | ||
| White male racism. | ||
| And that's linked with the woman's struggle. | ||
| Like, the black struggle. | ||
| They've kind of piggybacked onto that, which I really can't stand. | ||
| They should piggyback onto LBGTQW. Well, they kind of are. | ||
| I mean, I hear that all the time. | ||
| I heard one person on MSNBC, and they were like, we just care about the rights of women and minorities and LGBT people and immigrants and something else. | ||
| And I was like, just say not white men. | ||
| Can I just save you some time? | ||
| Say not straight cis white men. | ||
| That's who we don't. | ||
| Everyone else. | ||
| You're naming them all in groups. | ||
| So just say it. | ||
| Just cut to the chase. | ||
| Just for time. | ||
| And they're doing it to align themselves. | ||
| They're doing it to align themselves with other people that are going to have their back and agree with them. | ||
| And they go to war with it that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it becomes this thing, like what you said before, where you go, if there's any barriers, let's remove them. | ||
| But then you get to a certain point where you're just like, if we're being honest, there are no real barriers. | ||
| There are no real barriers. | ||
| There's got to be some. | ||
| And if there are, let's go after them. | ||
| But just on the big picture, like talking about things, if you're like a woman who really wants to do something in 2017 in a first world country like the United States of America, I don't see... | ||
| I mean, there are laws against paying a woman less than a man at the same job. | ||
| There are all these rules. | ||
| There are lots of people who will actually bend over backward because they're really looking to have diversity. | ||
| Corporations really love diversity. | ||
| Everyone in show business knows that's true. | ||
| It's like, okay, I don't see a real barrier, but then when they can't find one, they'll kind of create this barrier that you can't see. | ||
| So if we give people a bunch of freedom and then women make certain choices and men make certain choices and this leads to, on average, men making 23% more than women, then they go, well, And I go, well, there's no barrier. | ||
| It's just women making choices. | ||
| They go, well, there's this barrier called patriarchy that's there somehow. | ||
| You know, and we've got to like... | ||
| It's because these women have been socialized into thinking that they're... | ||
| So then they'll find this thing that you can't prove or disprove. | ||
| You can't test. | ||
| It's just kind of like, but we live in a rape culture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like fighting terrorism. | ||
| The war on terror. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| It's like, well, if it's just an idea, I guess we're always fighting that idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And until women assume the power position, and there's a disproportionate number of women in Congress, a disproportionate number of women who are police officers, and women who are judges, and women who are lawyers, and women who are in all positions of power, if men feel the heavy boot of the oppressive woman, until then... | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| And it's all so ridiculous. | ||
| It's just all so silly. | ||
| It's like, what area of life is there where things are proportionally representative? | ||
| Well, black people in basketball. | ||
| No, no, proportionately. | ||
| I'm saying proportionately. | ||
| So they don't make up 13% of basketball. | ||
| I'm joking, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's like, where do you find the- That's racist. | ||
| We need to even that out. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Get more white people in there. | ||
| More Asians and white people in the NBA. Slow that game down a little bit. | ||
| Make it easier to follow. | ||
| Yeah, more black people in hockey. | ||
| That's a mess. | ||
| But it's all just so, it's all so fucking like... | ||
| We should celebrate the differences we have. | ||
| And just don't be a cunt. | ||
| Don't be racist. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You know, that's it. | ||
| Don't be sexist. | ||
| Don't be racist. | ||
| But you don't get brownie points just because you're a chick. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| No, and you shouldn't. | ||
| And you shouldn't get into this thing where it's like, and I know, it's like, I've heard, like, people, uh, particularly, like, uh, um, left-wing leaning feminists, or, or, like, so, female comics who are feminists, who I know several of. | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| And I've, uh, yes, I know. | ||
| Are you calling people out? | ||
| Calling them out without calling them out? | ||
| Not by name, but, uh. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I've heard, and they'll get very, and one of them said to me once they go, you know, Dave, your whole thing is just that you hate women. | ||
| Oh, that's adorable. | ||
| But it's like, hate women? | ||
| Like, what do you- I saw a woman say that to Brian Posehn, and you know what he said? | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| He goes, you know what? | ||
| I've heard that before, and every woman that said that, I hated. | ||
| That really is a great response. | ||
| Because it was a stupid argument. | ||
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It is! | |
| She was just like saying like in a blanket statement, you hate women. | ||
| No, no, you. | ||
| But I just go, and I challenge a lot of people on the left who talk about race or sexism and these things. | ||
| I just challenge you to just entertain the possibility for like one second. | ||
| Entertain the possibility that you're not right about all of this stuff and that the correct position is to treat everybody equal. | ||
| Now, I know that sounds really, really wild and out there, and I'm not taking into account my white privilege and the history, but just entertain for one second the possibility that the correct answer is to treat everybody equal and not judge them based on their race. | ||
| And then if you entertain that for one second, you'll start realizing, like, oh, holy shit, if that's true, I'm really the one being the bigot here. | ||
| I've seen this, so, like, um... | ||
| You know the Roast Battle shows they have down at the Comedy Store? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they started doing them in New York, too, now. | ||
| They're really popular. | ||
| There are, like, these group of female comics that will come out, and I don't even begrudge them for this, but they'll come out and just hardcore, like, root for the female comic. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Like, they'll post about, like, just want to see more women succeed at Roast Battle, coming out tonight to cheer on my girl, blah, blah. | ||
| And there'll be this dynamic where, like, their first two jokes, you know, they'll just get this, like, it's just like, you know... | ||
| Female voices from the corner where the comics hang, like super, super loud for the chick comic. | ||
| And like, whatever. | ||
| I don't begrudge them anything. | ||
| Like, fine, come do that. | ||
| But it's just like those same people who will be like, you're like against women. | ||
| Like, I would never in a million years go out to a show and be like, I'm just rooting for the men today. | ||
| Like, I don't think this way. | ||
| I'm not like on team man, but you are on team women. | ||
| Like, it just seems to me that there's a lot of that going on. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| A lot of that shit. | ||
| Where it's like, you kind of project this thing that you see racism everywhere, or you see sexism everywhere, but all I really see is you fucking lecturing people based on racism. | ||
| Well, in their mind, they're allowed to do it the same way Cain Velasquez is allowed to have brown pride in his chest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kind of the same thing. | ||
| Like, you're disenfranchised or you're marginalized, so you're allowed to stay. | ||
| Even if you're not, you're playing that victim card as a woman and you're allowed to say, I'm here to support my girl. | ||
| Like, I was talking about this on stage the other day. | ||
| I saw a bumper sticker on a car. | ||
| It said, girls kick ass. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some of them are lazy slobs. | ||
| Like, what are you going to align yourself with 150 million women just in this country alone? | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| And I'm saying, if a guy had a bumper sticker that said, boys kick ass, he'd be like, follow that guy and find out where he's been fucking these kids. | ||
| Because, first of all, you'd never say boys. | ||
| Boys kick ass? | ||
| You'd put that on your bumper sticker? | ||
| Who the fuck are you? | ||
| You'd pull them over. | ||
| Let me see your license. | ||
| Where do you live, man? | ||
| What do you do for a living? | ||
| What's that bumper sticker about? | ||
| What the fuck do you mean by that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And I don't need, like, I almost feel like an asshole sometimes where I preface everything with a disclaimer, like, and I'm not saying this, but I just wanted to be clear that, like, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule, but it's also kind of strange to me that, like, if you want to celebrate women, why are you celebrating such a masculine quality? | ||
| Like, it's kind of like, it's like, look, there are white players who are great basketball players, right? | ||
| There are white, Dirk Nowitzki was an amazing basketball player, but if I just wrote somewhere like, white people kick ass at basketball, it's like, well... | ||
| Actually, they don't in general. | ||
| Women don't kick ass in general. | ||
| Generally speaking, that's a male thing to do. | ||
| I'm not saying there's not exceptions to that, but you're writing white people kick ass at basketball. | ||
| It's kind of misleading. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, there's that thing that's coming out, that movie with Steve Carell, where he plays that man who had a tennis match against Billie Jean King, and he was barely ranked. | ||
| He was a terrible tennis player, and he fucked Billie Jean King up. | ||
| And he was sort of mocking her the whole way, and it was a real hallmark moment. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So he just played a female tennis player? | ||
| He was a professional tennis player, but he wasn't the best. | ||
| And Billie Jean King was the best woman in the world. | ||
| And they played, and the Steve Carell character beat her. | ||
| Wasn't that what happened? | ||
| I believe that's what happened. | ||
| I'm getting them conflated with Renee Richards, the guy who used to be a man, and then became a transgender woman and started stomping everybody in tennis. | ||
| He was like, terrible as a man! | ||
| And then he became a woman who was one of the best in the world. | ||
| And like, but there's no biological difference! | ||
| Even without a penis, he's still stomping him. | ||
| It again is like so funny because once you, it's so funny like how much this stuff starts undermining their own arguments. | ||
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She won that. | |
| The Billie Jean King one? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I didn't get that wrong. | ||
| So I got wrong the Rene Richard one. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I confused. | ||
| And he was like particularly gross, right? | ||
| And Steve Carell plays him really well in the movie. | ||
| Same Steve Carell who played that crazy guy in that wrestling movie. | ||
| He did a really great job with that. | ||
| What a creepy story. | ||
| What a crazy story that was. | ||
| You ever see the ESPN 30 for 30 on that? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| So good, man. | ||
| I mean, you know, not good in the sense that the story's not good, but such a compelling, unbelievable story. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when Steve Carell played that character, and then you watch the video of the actual character, they're like, whoa, like he just nailed that guy. | ||
| Steve Carell's an incredible talent. | ||
| Oh, he's such a good fucking actor, man. | ||
| To be that funny of a comedian and that good of a dramatic actor is fucking pretty incredible. | ||
| I guess his comedy, though, is always kind of his acting. | ||
| That's his strength in comedy. | ||
| He'd own that character. | ||
| Roger Federer said that recently, and he got in trouble, right? | ||
| The best women... | ||
| No, it wasn't Roger Federer. | ||
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What's his name? | |
| The older guy. | ||
| John McEnroe. | ||
| McEnroe. | ||
| McEnroe said that... | ||
| And they let him into it. | ||
| He started by saying Serena was the best female player. | ||
| And then they go, why female? | ||
| And he was like, well, what do you mean? | ||
| Because I think she's the best female player. | ||
| He goes, well, why female? | ||
| Why not say male? | ||
| He goes, because the men are way better. | ||
| He was literally just answering the question. | ||
| I started off giving this woman an extraordinary compliment. | ||
| That was the story I remember. | ||
| Didn't Serena play against an unranked male player? | ||
| They used to play when they were younger, I think. | ||
| She played against some guy, that was the story, and the guy kicked her ass, and everybody was like, what? | ||
| It just seems to me to be this thing where I kind of look at, obviously, like, we're talking generalizations here, and there are exceptions, like, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, there are, like, you know, uh, uh, Ronda Rousey could beat the shit out of me. | ||
| Well, you're not a fighter, though. | ||
| I still use her as an example. | ||
| But it's a bad example because you're not a fighter. | ||
| No, but I'm just making the point that, like, if you have this stereotype that men are stronger than women or something like that, there are exceptions to the rule. | ||
| And I still use Ronda Rousey even though she's not champ anymore. | ||
| She's just still got that... | ||
| But I'm saying there are exceptions to the rule. | ||
| There are exceptions. | ||
| And to treat someone based on a group dynamic is ignorant. | ||
| I do think there are differences between men and women, generally speaking. | ||
| And if you believe that... | ||
| It's like, if we're gonna celebrate women, I just think it's kind of odd that we have to celebrate the most masculine achievements of women. | ||
| It's like celebrating them kicking ass. | ||
| There are these things that I feel like women are superior to men in that I'm very impressed by them. | ||
| Like, I just think women- Wait a minute, hold on, let me stop you. | ||
| Because you think that running a corporation is masculine? | ||
| Like, do you think that being involved in any creative endeavor is masculine? | ||
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No. | |
| Do you think that being involved in anything in tech is masculine? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But that's what they're talking about, right? | ||
| Well, I was more responding to the women kick ass. | ||
| But that's just a stupid bumper sticker. | ||
| No, you're right, it is. | ||
| But it's really just groupthink is what my issue with it was. | ||
| If you see things like... | ||
| Well, I just... | ||
| But the element I'm responding to is that kick-ass to me just seems to be kind of like a masculine thing. | ||
| I'm describing that as masculine. | ||
| Yeah, it was just one silly, stupid bumper sticker. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Girls like to say those things, right? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But I just think there's something about... | ||
| It seems to me like the nurturing element of femininity is almost like denigrated. | ||
| And the ass-kissy... | ||
| Ass-kicky element is like... | ||
| Is praised. | ||
| Where it's like... | ||
| If I'm talking kicking ass and nurture, and I'm talking men versus women, in general, just broad speaking, I tend to think of one being male and one being female. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To wrap this all up and bring it all down, I think we'd all be better off, male, women, white, black, Asian, whatever, if we're just reasonable, nice people. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's the real problem, is that we lock off, as we've been discussing all day, into these camps. | ||
| And we are on camp white male, and we are on camp black male, or camp gay, or camp transgender, or camp woman. | ||
| And we just lock into these ideologies, and we hate anybody else different. | ||
| And we have these divisive things that we say, like, all white men are trash unless proven otherwise. | ||
| You know, like that kind of crazy shit. | ||
| Like, you're setting it up so the guy's like, sorry, sorry. | ||
| Like, you come in sorry. | ||
| So it's not me. | ||
| I didn't do it. | ||
| Instead of just being a reasonable, normal person. | ||
| But there's not enough reasonable, normal people, so women are constantly dealing with assholes, so they develop these kind of patterns of behavior. | ||
| They think about men as being these intrusive, shitty people who just want to get in your pants, and really don't care about you, and they're manipulative, and they just want to fuck you. | ||
| When you say it, I mean, that is somewhat true. | ||
| That does kind of describe us. | ||
| And then men think of women as being manipulative, too. | ||
| Always looking for the bigger, better deal. | ||
| You know, they're going to fuck their personal trainer while you're at work. | ||
| And we think about getting divorced and losing all your money because you were too stupid. | ||
| You didn't sign a prenuptial agreement. | ||
| She has some kick-ass attorney and then you're fucked. | ||
| We all know guys who have experienced that before, too. | ||
| She lies about you beating the kids and then she gets full custody. | ||
| Like, that's all real. | ||
| But then the good stuff is all real, too. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, that's all real, and that does happen. | ||
| But then there's also, like, the chick who just, like, gives a guy, like, you know, like, the security and confidence he never had to go be great. | ||
| There's the guy who, like, does support his chick through, like, her endeavors, and, like, you know, it's like, so it's like, you gotta, you know, it's like that The hurricane in Houston kind of put some perspective on that for me where it's like you know it's like you see just like all these people it's like Antifa verse Nazis is the state of the country and then you see like this this horrible hurricane happened and just the acts of kindness after where you see these people like like young guys like like these group of like 20 year olds maybe they were I saw who took their like their like motorboats down to Houston and are pulling old people out of like their homes and | ||
| you're like god damn it motherfucker like that's our country too! | ||
| It's all real. | ||
| The Nazis are our country too, but that guy's our country too. | ||
| What that is also is people responding to a very real problem, where it really unites people. | ||
| They feel like they have to help each other. | ||
| Because it's a real problem. | ||
| Most of the time we're separated from each other by buildings and cars, and there's this weird alienation we have with one another. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why places of high density, you get much more liberal ideologies, or liberal in terms of like accepting, I should say, not necessarily conservative, but there's a lot of that too. | ||
| Democratic versus conservative, or left-wing versus conservative. | ||
| But these big population cultures, people interact with each other more. | ||
| You know, you don't get the same kind of racism. | ||
| You know, you get less, and it's less accepting, I think, in like maybe say New York City, than probably anywhere. | ||
| Because in New York City, especially in Manhattan, everybody's got to interact. | ||
| I'm not saying you don't encounter it. | ||
| You certainly do on both sides. | ||
| White racism, black racism, you're gonna encounter racism. | ||
| It's a flaw in human nature. | ||
| The same thing that we're talking about with the assholes with the tiki torches. | ||
| It's a flaw. | ||
| Everyone likes to feel like they're the best, and my team is the best, and my local bar is the best, and my aunt makes the best chili, and my aunt kicks that town's ass. | ||
| And it's like, no, your aunt does not make the world's best chili. | ||
| That's fucking ridiculous. | ||
| She might. | ||
| The odds are very against it, let's just say. | ||
| It's a very, very low chance. | ||
| But people want to feel that way. | ||
| And so there will always be these certain kind of in-group preference things. | ||
| But like you said, I do think growing up in New York City, you also just see And this is the beautiful thing that we fucking lost in America that sucks. | ||
| But it's like freedom does fucking bring people together. | ||
| And capitalism, even though it's become a dirty word. | ||
| Like, all that shit brings people together, man. | ||
| Like, I'm a Jew, and I can go on a New York City street and put my hand out, and like a Muslim guy comes and picks me up and drops me off at home. | ||
| You just use Uber, dude. | ||
| You're wasting your time with all that? | ||
| I mean, to be honest, I really do use Uber, but it's less Muslims. | ||
| Do you use Lyft or Uber? | ||
| I was doing Lyft, and now I just switched over to Uber. | ||
| Do you feel bad that Uber was getting locked out of London? | ||
| Like, I'm going to step up and help out Uber. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I knew they were locked out of Austin, I think. | ||
| Austin? | ||
| Austin, Texas. | ||
| They left there. | ||
| I think they're locked out of London now. | ||
| I think the mayor just said that the way they operate sucks. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Well, I do love... | ||
| I love anything that undermines government monopoly, so I thought it was great that they undermined that whole medallion thing. | ||
| I think technology that undermines the government is the most beautiful thing ever. | ||
| You know that Waze app? | ||
| They have that now in New York City. | ||
| They'll tell you if there's a camera on the next red light. | ||
| They'll tell you if there's a cop on the highway waiting to check They'll be like, police ahead. | ||
| So there's literally this system where the cops will sit there and wait for someone to come speeding so they can come extort you for some money. | ||
| Do you understand how that works? | ||
| The Waze thing, that it's just people calling in. | ||
| So cops call in fake cars. | ||
| I did not know that, but I knew that it was other people calling in. | ||
| People are very upset because the police officers actually call in fake cop on the side of the road calls. | ||
| But so what is that doing, making people drive the speed limit? | ||
| It just fucks it up. | ||
| It's crying wolf. | ||
| So you basically just don't believe it as much anymore? | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| But I thought there was something really beautiful about that. | ||
| But is that to serve or protect? | ||
| I get so confused. | ||
| No, I mean, that's their third thing. | ||
| Serve, protect, and rule. | ||
| And fake you out. | ||
| They're juking you. | ||
| But I thought when they first did it, what a beautiful thing that you're going like... | ||
| Because look, if you... | ||
| If you tell them there's a cop ahead, what you're going to do is make sure you're not speeding. | ||
| I mean, that's the only trick. | ||
| So essentially it's doing what you would claim the law wants you to do. | ||
| It's just doing it in a way where the state doesn't fucking extort you. | ||
| You know, of course, so then they'll start going, oh, we better fuck with that. | ||
| I do not let that work. | ||
| Yeah, they'll eventually figure out a way around that. | ||
| Or we're going to get to a point, I think, in our lifetimes where it's impossible to lie. | ||
| I think that's where it's headed. | ||
| And I think that's going to solve a lot of our issues socially. | ||
| A lot of our issues politically. | ||
| We're going to understand motivations behind things in a way... | ||
| Like, maybe motivations will seem color-coded. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Like, when someone's envious, you'll literally see green with some new program we're all running. | ||
| But I think what you're saying, like, we've already started to see it. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| It's much, much harder. | ||
| It's much, much harder for people to pull off lying. | ||
| It was much harder for Hillary Clinton to pull off than for traditional politics in the past because they're leaking everything online now. | ||
| And it's just harder for the government or the big corporations or the media to convince you of this narrative. | ||
| It's getting harder and harder. | ||
| We haven't figured out exactly how to move it in a good direction, but you see the control that they have. | ||
| Being undermined. | ||
| The control of the mainstream media is being undermined. | ||
| The control of universities. | ||
| Well, it's already gone. | ||
| The internet has sort of eroded all the control of mainstream media. | ||
| CNN is now called fake news a million times a day all throughout the country. | ||
| I mean, people are constantly calling... | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The president calls it fake news. | ||
| It's fucking CNN. Oh, that's right. | ||
| And then you say, like, when you said earlier in the show about, you know, Fox News had had a monopoly on right-wing news. | ||
| Well, that's fucking over. | ||
| I mean, look at the, like, Ben Shapiro comes on your shows. | ||
| Look at the numbers that thing does. | ||
| I mean, it's like, oh, yeah, Fox News has a big competitor on their hands now. | ||
| And all these other guys at Crowder and all these guys are, like, huge. | ||
| And all of the, if you look at, like... | ||
| Ben Jordan, who's more, you know, like, he calls himself a classic British liberal. | ||
| He looks at it that way, which is sort of a different definition. | ||
| It's more of a pragmatic, sort of more conservative type. | ||
| More pragmatic, probably closest to what is called libertarian in American school of thought. | ||
| Like that's the classical liberal position. | ||
| But people disingenuously call him alt-right. | ||
| It's just so freaking ridiculous. | ||
| This is the thing where it's like everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is a Nazi. | ||
| It's like these words don't even mean anything anymore. | ||
| They're just insults and then people shove them in your face and it's like lying Hillary. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you take the most fucked up word you can think of to justify the legal position and then culturally you say, oh by the way, that word applies to everything. | ||
| So you know, it's like women are getting raped on college campus. | ||
| So we get the law passed. | ||
| Well, that's one of the real problems with a guy like Donald Trump, is that when he boils things down to these slogans, then they boil things down to slogans in return, and we just have a fucking fight where you're throwing rocks at each other. | ||
| That was one of the amazing things about Trump and the moment, is that Trump comes out, he's like this simplistic buffoon, and in the normal mind you're like, well, at some point he's going to meet a... | ||
| A professional who will embarrass him. | ||
| And then you start to realize after a while, there's just no professional. | ||
| It's like, he had no plans, neither did Hillary Clinton. | ||
| They were all completely empty. | ||
| The difference between him versus Hillary versus what we just had with Mitt Romney versus Obama. | ||
| Two really reasonable, well-spoken people who are accomplished and quite intelligent, although one of them believes in nonsense. | ||
| I don't know which one. | ||
| They both believe in nonsense, right? | ||
| They both believe in a lot of nonsense. | ||
| But one of them believes in nonsense. | ||
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One of them is wearing magical underwear at a presidential debate. | |
| Yeah, he has to, or it goes straight to a cabin in hell. | ||
| You have to stay there with no satellite TV. I don't know what the rule is. | ||
| You only get two of your wives to join you. | ||
| I just hope that we sling back. | ||
| I hope we have this blowback this way, and I hope, I don't know who's going to emerge Between now and 2020, but it's going to have to be someone that's interesting, right? | ||
| It's going to have to be someone that we look at and go, okay, this is a viable alternative to what we're currently dealing with. | ||
| And they probably shouldn't say shit for a long time. | ||
| They should probably just build up and prepare and just constantly say, I'm not running. | ||
| I'm not running. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know if there's any bringing this thing back together, the United States of America. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think we might be going our separate ways in the future. | ||
| I just think we might be headed toward Some type of Soviet-style breakup. | ||
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| Like where some of the countries still exist, but we're not all a part of the same thing. | ||
| I look at these two trends that I see happening, right? | ||
| And one is, and this to me is the biggest moral issue of our time, but the continued growth of the state. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which always happens. | ||
| Just like a corporation, universal growth, they want to get bigger and stronger every year. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much always seems to happen. | ||
| Corporations always want to grow. | ||
| A lot of them go out of business, but they always want to get bigger. | ||
| Governments, they can force you to pay them. | ||
| So it's a lot easier for them to grow. | ||
| And most of advanced societies start as a constitution with a somewhat limited government, and then it grows and grows and grows. | ||
| The big appeal of Trump, the only appeal. | ||
| Drain the swamp. | ||
| That was the big one. | ||
| And a lot of it was, you know, some of it was good. | ||
| The idea of draining the swamp is good. | ||
| And not fighting these wars anymore, I think, is really great. | ||
| But, you know, you have this thing where we live under the biggest government, most powerful government in the history of the world. | ||
| I mean, there's never been a government that spends four trillion dollars that can drone bomb anyone on the planet. | ||
| We have bases all over the world, hundreds of different countries, or at least well over a hundred. | ||
| And everything is going up. | ||
| I mean, every budget, you know, Bush spent the most ever, then Obama spent the most ever, Trump will outspend Obama, no question about it. | ||
| And all of the major, major problems that I see are a direct result of this, like the longest wars in American history, the mass incarceration rate, spying on all of our citizens, record debt, you know, like all of these things are a result of government being way too big and way too out of control. | ||
| And then at the same time, while we're like spending ourselves too far into debt, Way too extended militarily. | ||
| The culture is also completely decaying. | ||
| And we're more at war with each other than we've ever been. | ||
| And like I said before, we go from like, you know, a Buckley-Vidal debate to Trump-Clinton. | ||
| Like, we've had a Jerry Springer culture, and now we've got a Jerry Springer president to go with it. | ||
| And I just see this culture breaking up, the government getting too big. | ||
| I don't know how this all works out so that we're all friends again. | ||
| Mushrooms. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe that's the answer. | ||
| Mushrooms is the only way. | ||
| Spoken like a true white man. | ||
| Great privilege. | ||
| Dave, we've got to wrap this up. | ||
| Thank you very much, man. | ||
| It's always an awesome time having you on. | ||
| I just put a new comedy special out, so I just wanted to mention that. | ||
| Just put out my debut comedy special. | ||
| It's called Libertas, and you can get it at gasdigitalnetwork.com. | ||
| The album is number one on iTunes. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And your podcast, plug that, iTunes. | ||
| Part of the problem, Legion of Skanks, also both available on iTunes. | ||
| All my stuff's at GasDigitalNetwork.com. | ||
| Dude, we've got to do this more often. | ||
| I can't wait to do it again, brother. | ||
| Dave Smith, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you fucks tomorrow. |
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