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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - September 16, 2017
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brendan schaub
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eddie bravo
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jim norton
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joe rogan
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andy stumpf
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unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And we're live, ladies and gentlemen, with special guest, little Jimmy Norton.
jim norton
Thank you.
joe rogan
Little Jimmy, I didn't think he was going to be here.
This is a total surprise.
This is awesome.
jim norton
Yeah, I'm shooting something tomorrow, and I wanted to watch the fight, so I'm like, I didn't think you'd be in town.
You're always off, like, every time I call, he's like, ah, he's away, he's hunting, he's unreachable.
And I'm just happy that you got back to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, it was perfect timing.
You know, we had decided a while ago...
Well, I was supposed to be out of town, too.
And then decided to come back and make it back in time for this.
I'm like, wow, we should definitely do a fight companion.
So we decided to.
But Eddie was available.
Luckily.
eddie bravo
Should we be watching the UFC right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, we are gonna watch two different things at the same time, folks.
This should be fucking complete chaos.
The deal is that the Canelo Alvarez fight is supposed to start at 8 o'clock.
That's what they've been pushing.
And I think they're doing that because they're trying to get a lot of people on the East Coast to buy it.
Because after 11 p.m., you're like, Jesus Christ, I want to go to sleep.
You know, because they were doing them a lot of times at like 9 p.m., 9.30.
It's fucking midnight, New York.
jim norton
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
You're tired.
jim norton
It's a Saturday, people can do it, but it's tough when it goes out at 11, 12 o'clock at night.
joe rogan
It's not wise, especially with boxing, because boxing has weak undercards.
I'm not necessarily saying that this is a weak fight, but even if they have a good undercard, what do they have, like two fights, right?
I mean, how many fights do they have?
You don't want to see more than that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
On like a pay-per-view?
eddie bravo
The worst part is when you watch one of these fights on the East Coast, by the time you get out the arena, get your car, you have time for one drink maybe, and then they shut down bars.
joe rogan
Well, the good thing is in the East Coast, they shut down bars at four.
jim norton
Yeah, New York's four.
eddie bravo
Out here, you can go back to your hotel room, take a shower, take a little power nap, and then you're ready to go to the after party, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's over at like 10-ish.
eddie bravo
It's way better on the West Coast.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's way better.
jim norton
I never watch boxing anymore either.
I watch Conor and Floyd just to watch it, but I never watch...
I think I watched the last Triple G fight.
That's it.
joe rogan
I watch all of his fights, and I watch all Canelo's fights.
And you know what's weird?
When you're watching a guy start to slow down, like I watched Miguel Cotto's fight, and he won.
But he's getting hit more than he used to get hit.
He's like 36 now.
I don't think they have UFC-style testing, though.
They don't have USADA. They don't have a Jeff Nowitzki.
So these guys can get away with a lot more.
It's a little slippery.
eddie bravo
I don't think they do steroids in boxing.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
It's illegal.
joe rogan
Dude, you know what you gotta say?
Icarus?
I don't know how to say it.
Is it Icarus or Icarus?
jim norton
I would say Icarus.
I see a...
Oh, you are?
Yeah, but I would say that.
joe rogan
It's one of those words that I've only read.
eddie bravo
Is it a documentary?
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
And it's all on this Russian doctor that was like one of the top guys over there for steroids and how much shit they can give you and you still test negative.
Holy fuck!
These guys are wizards.
They take this guy, who's the main person in the documentary, and they just pump him full of steroids.
He's like, I want you to have a full cc of this and five of that.
And he's shooting like six, seven things in his ass.
eddie bravo
So they're filming an experiment?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
They're filming an experiment with this Russian guy who's responding.
One of the things they said was that out of the Russian athletes, there was some estimate in the high 90s of percentage of people that are on steroids.
eddie bravo
Who wasn't on steroids?
joe rogan
Well, still, to this day.
In Rio, the Olympics were thinking about banning the entire Russian team.
Their anti-doping program is so sophisticated and so state-sanctioned.
jim norton
Well, can they pass USADA testing, though?
Could they pass that level?
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
No!
I mean, it depends.
See, the USADA thing, they'll show up at your fucking house.
You know, like you have to give your whereabouts at all times.
They will catch you.
And the other thing is, they keep your piss and they keep your blood.
And they keep it for a long time.
I think like seven or eight years.
And they actually just busted a guy who won the Olympics, I think in, I want to say 2008 and 2012 or something like that.
But I think it was two guys.
I don't know.
Maybe Jamie could find it.
But they took away their gold medals, these Russian wrestlers.
jim norton
They busted them eight years later?
joe rogan
Way later.
They didn't have a test for whatever they were doing.
So that's what happens.
These guys are one step ahead, but then the tests catch up.
You know, and then they find stuff in them.
jim norton
They retroactively go and grab your shit from years ago.
It's like when they save somebody's head like Ted Williams, hoping they can find a cure for whatever he died from and bring him back.
That's why they freeze your body or freeze your head.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
The freezing the head thing is so bananas.
You're like, well, listen, for five dollars more, we can keep your body.
No, dude, you know, I'm taking a chance as it is.
Let's just go with the head.
jim norton
Just the head, yeah.
joe rogan
Just the idea that they're going to just keep your head frozen.
They don't wake you up amongst the first people.
You get woke up after they figure out how to reattach heads to bodies.
You get woken up way later.
When they figure out just how to reanimate dead bodies, that won't be that big of a deal.
But then to attach heads on a new body, that's a couple more decades.
jim norton
Unless you talk to Ray Kurzweil, he thinks we're going to have that in 15 years, his very wishful timeline.
eddie bravo
Is it possible to be such a famous fighter, you're rubbing shoulders with the powerful, the elite, you're so famous.
Is it possible for a fighter to have so much fame that he has connections to the people that are testing for steroids?
He would never get busted.
It's totally possible.
Is that possible?
joe rogan
It's totally possible, but it's just super unlikely.
Because there's too many pieces involved.
Too many people would know.
And also, there's no benefit to them.
They would have to be getting paid shit tons of money.
It's just so sneaky.
What if someone dies?
What if someone gets a shit beat out of them and winds up dying?
And it turns out that these people got a hold of some money, and that's what allowed them to not do drug tests on this guy, and this guy was on juice, and then he goes in and beats someone to death?
jim norton
It's kind of hard to keep anything electronically a secret.
I mean, the head of the CIA couldn't make a fucking email disappear.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The Russians refuse to return stripped Olympic medals.
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter if anything gets out, no one goes to jail.
Hillary's not in jail.
jim norton
He stepped down, though.
He had to step down because he was having...
joe rogan
What were you saying, Jim?
I missed it.
jim norton
I was reading the Russian thing.
I was saying, electronically, nothing's a secret anymore.
What was his name?
The head of the CIA who was cheating and he got busted in that stupid email?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, what?
Yeah.
Petraeus.
jim norton
Petraeus, yeah.
joe rogan
And he was, you know, a war hero.
jim norton
Yeah, he ran the theater.
joe rogan
Do you know the story behind him, though?
How he got caught?
jim norton
I think they were investigating someone else, right?
joe rogan
No, he was hooking up with a chick.
And the chick was a little mouthy.
jim norton
Didn't she write his book, his biographer?
joe rogan
I think...
There was her, and I think there was another one.
And the other one, what might have been a part of some freaky marriage situation where the husband and wife bang other people or something.
It got heavy enough where it was weird.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of the ways they got Petraeus out of there was through some sort of adultery clause, which is hilarious.
jim norton
Yeah, it's like a morals clause, right?
joe rogan
This guy is one of the best killers in the military.
And you're telling them, if you bang other chicks, we won't let you kill people.
eddie bravo
I mean, this is all information that's coming from the mainstream media.
Like, who knows what really happened?
jim norton
Oh, those guys tell the truth.
eddie bravo
Who knows what's going on?
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows what that is?
Why they made him do that.
Like, what pieces might have fallen into play, Frank Underwood style, that allowed that to happen.
jim norton
Well, who did he piss off?
It's like Eliot Spitzer pissed somebody off ten years ago, and they went in digging, and they got him.
joe rogan
Well, Spitzer went after the banks.
It's really a shame about Spitzer, because in any other era, Eliot Spitzer would have been probably like a big-time hero, like some sort of a clean-em-up cop type of guy who's looking out for the good guy.
The problem is there was some serious hypocrisy, because it turns out that he was actually targeting brothels as well as visiting them, which is just, yeah, man, you can't do that.
It's one thing if he just got hookers, but the fact that the guy was arresting all those He was going out of his way for it.
jim norton
He was a real douche.
And that's why I love to see these guys who legislate against gay people get busted in restrooms and stuff because you're actively trying to fuck somebody's life.
joe rogan
For sure.
And it's always those people.
It's always those people that care so much.
They get angry at gay people.
It's just such a classic story.
eddie bravo
They've been hiding their whole life that they overdo it just so that no one sniffs them out.
joe rogan
It's such a classic cliche that you see it and you're like, oh god.
So obvious.
jim norton
HBO did a great documentary on politicians who were outed, like, who were anti-gay but got outed as being gay.
joe rogan
You know what it's like?
It's like that really scrawny type of male feminist that's always, like, sticking up for women and saying, like, of course you are.
It's such a cliché.
It's almost the same cliché as the gay guy that hates gay marriage and hates gay people because he's trying to cover it up.
It's usually these guys that are overwhelmed with lust.
The women seem so...
Impossible to to get with that they they morph themselves into this like Semi real human being that only looks out for women's issues all the time 24 7 doesn't see anything wrong with women ever You know that guy where it's like you're not even real anymore Yeah, it gets you to put on, because then you're fucking allowed to walk among them and be comfortable.
Yeah.
jim norton
And they trust you.
joe rogan
And they call you an ally.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're an ally.
jim norton
Yeah, and they fuck the allies.
So everyone wants to be an ally.
joe rogan
Of course.
unidentified
Let's watch the UFC. Ah, Eddie Brown doesn't like boxing.
joe rogan
But look, man, they keep punching each other.
It is interesting how it becomes way less interesting, right?
jim norton
Yeah, I just can't watch it anymore.
joe rogan
Well, I watched Mayweather vs.
Conor.
I thought that was interesting.
jim norton
I was in Iceland for that.
It was like 5 o'clock in the morning.
It was in a bar.
And it was fun to watch because, again, I wanted to see if Conor would do okay, but Mayweather against anybody else I have no interest in.
brendan schaub
Yes, that was lots of fun.
That was lots of fun.
joe rogan
Dude, I like watching that guy fight, period.
I'm always...
I watch Mayweather even if it's a boring-ass fight.
Because what you're watching is some guy that just can do things that other people are not able to do.
jim norton
Yeah, he's great.
joe rogan
He's one step ahead.
jim norton
I just don't enjoy him.
I watched the Pacquiao fight and I was like, ugh, what am I fucking doing here?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can't remember one round from the next.
eddie bravo
They all look exactly the same.
joe rogan
What channel on...
219. 219, thank you, sir.
So what we're going to do, folks, is just go back and forth from the fight.
eddie bravo
So you're a totally hardcore MMA fan, would you consider yourself?
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
He does a podcast.
jim norton
Yeah, I mean, me and Matt do the UFC podcast.
unidentified
That's right!
jim norton
But I'm on it.
unidentified
I'm a fan.
jim norton
Matt's like the expert, and I'm like the guy who can...
Do the more human side interviews.
eddie bravo
Every UFC, you're going to try to watch.
brendan schaub
Unless you've got something going on, right?
jim norton
I watch most of them.
I usually watch them the next day on the Fight Pass, because I'm usually doing gigs Saturday night.
joe rogan
Dude, Matt is great.
jim norton
I love Matt, dude.
joe rogan
He's such a great guy.
unidentified
He is.
joe rogan
Matt took Eddie and I into his gym in like...
2001 or some shit.
Remember that?
He took us to his gym.
He picked us up at the train station.
We took to training in Long Island.
He picked us up in the train station, took it to his gym, showed us his apartment in the basement where he used to pee in a jug because he drank so much water.
He couldn't get out of bed because he needed to sleep because he was fighting.
So he would just carry a jug and put it right by the bed and just piss in the jug in the middle of the night.
It was hilarious.
Matt Serra is awesome.
jim norton
I love that guy.
He's such a real guy.
He's exactly that guy all the time.
joe rogan
He's great.
He's great.
What a great move it is to have him on that Dana White Looking for a Fight show and to have him on your podcast.
jim norton
Well, he was on the podcast first, and I think that they asked him a couple of people, and when Dana brought up my name, he's like, yeah, I would love to, because we got along well.
So it's a fun dynamic.
joe rogan
It is fun.
And you guys got gelled with each other.
You know, you gel.
Yeah, it's silly.
Yeah, but you can see, it's like, you guys are friends.
It's fun.
That's like a big thing, man.
I think people underestimate that.
It's one of the reasons why these TV shows sometimes are so stale and flat.
jim norton
They're stiff, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they don't like each other.
They're not friends with each other.
You know?
Like, people like when they see people who actually, like Goldberg and I, like when we used to do broadcasts together, Goldberg's my friend.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I really like that guy.
And John Anik, same thing.
Anik's my friend.
Dominic Cruz is my friend.
Like, I hang out with that guy.
He's interesting.
Paul Felder.
Like, I could hang out with these guys.
That's big, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's why people like these kind of podcasts, that's why people like, you know, anything where people get together and they can hang out and you feel like a real camaraderie versus, like, entertainment tonight.
Thor is back!
And boy, is he angry!
Yes, he is, Mike!
Thor is back!
And the newest, most amazing version of Thor!
Let's take a look!
Like, those people don't...
Even if they are friends, you can't tell.
jim norton
Yeah, it's unwatchable and it's unlistenable and it doesn't feel...
It feels like nothing you can connect to.
I don't know anybody I speak to like that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
jim norton
No one's going to tell each other to shut up on that show?
joe rogan
I wonder if with Wonder Woman now at the forefront of sports and technology and...
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim norton
It's annoying.
joe rogan
They have like these pre-scheduled promos that they do that feel so stale and everything's just stale.
jim norton
That's why even on TV I go back and watch old Dick Cavett shit like interviewing Bishop Pryor in 1985. I'd rather hear a real conversation with dead moments than like a late night TV show now where everybody thinks they're on fire every time the cameras are on.
It's terrible.
joe rogan
It's most of them these like entertainment shows like shows on entertainment like poof that's hard to get right.
eddie bravo
Well, it used to be that the networks had all the power and there wasn't ever a content problem.
It wasn't like, damn, we need content.
There was slots.
There's Thursday 8.30, Thursday 9 o'clock.
There's just those slots.
That's it.
We got plenty of motherfuckers trying to make pilots.
brendan schaub
That's never a problem with content.
eddie bravo
Now...
It's the opposite.
Now they need content, so more people can get their shit out now.
It used to be totally controlled.
TV has always sucked.
You can't watch 80...
We watch TV shows that we grew up on because we had no choice.
brendan schaub
I would watch TV going, okay, what's the best of these terrible shows?
eddie bravo
I'll just watch that.
brendan schaub
You're like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Back to Channel 11. You used to think some of them were good back then, too, right?
Like The Fall Guy.
eddie bravo
I used to look forward to The Fall Guy.
unidentified
Watch it now.
eddie bravo
Watch The Fall Guy now.
unidentified
It probably doesn't hold up.
TV didn't have to be good.
joe rogan
You're right.
eddie bravo
They had all the control.
Now, shit.
It has to be good.
And now you need content.
jim norton
The six million dollar band.
eddie bravo
It's a whole different world.
jim norton
That holds up.
The Sasquatch episode where we fought the Bigfoot.
Douchiest thing ever on television.
I couldn't wait to watch that.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a good fight.
Kamaru Usman and Sergio Moraes.
This is a great fucking fight.
Kamaru Usman is a stud wrestler.
Fucking serious athlete.
And Moraes is one of the best jujitsu guys in MMA today.
eddie bravo
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Tapped out Crohn Gracie in his first black belt match.
He's legit.
eddie bravo
He's the guy that set up that mounted triangle, right?
Nice and slow?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what he said once about one of his opponents?
He said, it would be more likely that he got me pregnant than submit me.
He was talking about improvements in his striking.
He's like, in striking, I think I have the advantage.
And on the ground, it would be more likely that he got me pregnant than that he submit me.
That's how badass that motherfucker is.
But Kamaru Usman is a stud.
He is super legit.
Fantastic wrestler with really good striking.
Very strong guy.
Very dangerous.
Could be future superstar world champion guy.
jim norton
He seems like the type of guy you have to take out.
Like, I guess, Leon Edwards is like, Edwards is actually doing really well against him, it seemed like, in the first round.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim norton
And then, like, you know, once he had him on the ground, he was finished.
joe rogan
He's a savage.
unidentified
He's so good.
eddie bravo
Well, how does he finish people?
What do you got to watch out for?
joe rogan
Smashes him.
Ground and pound.
Vicious wrestler.
He can do everything, man.
He can submit guys.
He's good at jiu-jitsu, too?
You know, he's a super stud wrestler, but he absolutely can do all that stuff.
eddie bravo
What are his best submissions?
joe rogan
He's an American top team guy.
eddie bravo
So he's like a black belt in jiu-jitsu?
joe rogan
No, I wonder what he is in jiu-jitsu.
I wonder like if he's ranked, but you know like there's a lot of guys that aren't ranked like Michael Chiesa.
Michael Chiesa in my mind is like a black belt, but he's not even ranked.
jim norton
Should that fight have been stopped you think?
joe rogan
No, definitely not.
Never.
You don't stop chokes.
Why would you stop a choke?
You let a guy go to sleep.
jim norton
So his objection was fair.
joe rogan
If the guy's unconscious, he was clearly not unconscious.
Guys get out of shit.
You got to give him an opportunity to get out of shit.
eddie bravo
His arms were like this, man.
You're right.
Yamasaki stopped it because he knows the next move.
Yamasaki stopped it early.
Yes.
He should have let him go out.
Yes.
But 100%, Yamasaki, everybody, any black belt knows when a guy's about to go out.
Before he goes out, his hands go like this.
And that's what happens.
And a lot of times, if you let go of the choke, you pop right back up and say you're all right.
joe rogan
You're totally correct.
eddie bravo
But he should have let him go to sleep.
joe rogan
Should have let him go to sleep.
And here's the other thing.
This is absolutely possible, too.
Some guys, when they're getting choked, they will concentrate just on their neck, and they will tighten up their neck.
And they won't do this and fight around with it.
They will literally put all their energy and concentration on their neck and avoiding the choke by just squeezing and holding on their neck if they think they have a little bit of blood flow.
If they can force a little bit of blood flow, and they think that they can stay conscious longer than the guy can squeeze.
I don't buy it for the long haul.
I think on the long haul, a guy like...
You know, someone's a really good fighter, like a Damien Maia guy, he's gonna fucking put you to sleep.
You can't do that on him.
jim norton
Right.
joe rogan
The question is, can he do it on Kevin Lee?
jim norton
Kevin Lee is really good on fact, though.
joe rogan
He's very good.
jim norton
Even when you're tightening your neck.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's not limp if he's doing this.
His arms are here, right?
So if he's concentrating on his neck and his arms are here, if he really does decide to stop doing this and just try to just concentrate on his neck, it's not a good strategy, but it might be something you would use if you thought you were fucked.
If you thought you were fucked, you're in a really bad spot, and you really can't peel his arms off, and you go, you know what, I might be able to just power through.
And he might not.
He might have had a tap, or he might have went to sleep.
Or he might have gotten out.
We don't fucking know.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because guys have gotten out of some crazy shit.
In fact, earlier that night- There was a woman who got out, right?
eddie bravo
Yes!
joe rogan
She looked like she was gone!
unidentified
Who was she?
joe rogan
Fuck, I forget that fight.
What was that fight?
Find out what the card was on the Kevin Lee-Michael Chiesa fight.
But the point is, it's not dangerous.
It's not like an arm bar or taking punishment on the ground.
Like when someone takes a couple extra shots on the ground that aren't necessary, that's bad.
But if someone gets choked out, that's not bad.
It's not bad.
You gotta let them get choked out.
You're not preventing any damage.
jim norton
Glenn who just did just that fight that should have been stopped on the I want to say was one of the prelims to Gavin Tucker.
Yeah Gavin Glenn against Rick Glenn.
That was bad.
I saw Dana tweeting.
I hadn't seen the fight yet.
He's like this referee suck and then when I watch the fight like this must have been the fight he was talking about.
joe rogan
Well, you know what the thing is, is that it was a slow beating.
Rick was giving him a slow beating.
He just kept beating him up.
There was no giant big bombs, but it was an accumulation of bombs that never ended.
He was so workmanlike and professional.
It was a very, very impressive victory.
jim norton
Is that why he didn't get...
I thought he should have got a fight of the night or a performance of the night.
I mean, I thought that was pretty amazing, and he didn't get anything for that.
joe rogan
Which were the girls that almost choked the shit out of each other?
Was it Felice Herrig and Justine Cush?
jim norton
Yes, it was.
joe rogan
Justine Kish and Felice Herrig.
jim norton
Is that the fight where she shit or no?
joe rogan
Who won that?
I believe Felice did, right?
brendan schaub
When did that happen?
joe rogan
Yeah, Felice won the unanimous decision.
jim norton
Last week?
unidentified
No, that was a couple months ago.
Was that the fight that Kish had that she shit?
joe rogan
Allegedly shit herself.
jim norton
Oh, whatever happened, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if she did or not.
Supposedly that can be grounds to stop a fight now.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's like in the rules.
Like if you shit yourself, it's too dangerous because there's all like scratches and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have cuts, you can get like the worst staph infection known to man.
jim norton
And plus you may make a move to avoid being put in that that's going to put you in other kind of danger.
Like if you want your face mushed in that, you may do something to put your neck in jeopardy.
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
If someone's going 69 on you, if you're in like north-south position, which is a legit position, and this dude just shit himself, that's super rude.
jim norton
Yeah, yeah, it's a bad place to be.
joe rogan
But hey, man, it's life and death in there.
Kamaru Usman, here we go.
Look at that.
This is a good fucking fight.
This is like a, ooh, what's going to happen here fight.
Dan Mergliata.
eddie bravo
Dan slimming down.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's only 500 pounds now.
That guy's gigantic.
jim norton
How tall is he?
eddie bravo
Huge!
joe rogan
He's like at least 6'5".
And he's not like a tall, thin guy either.
He's a giant.
For real though, he's probably 300 pounds.
Easy.
Very interesting.
He's 170. 451 of the first round.
50, 49, 48, 47 if you want to sync it up with us.
42, 41. Marise is missing a tricep on his left arm.
jim norton
You know, Sarah's got one missing.
Oh, no, he's got a bicep missing.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
What happened to the tricep?
joe rogan
His arm tore and he never got surgery on it.
Or if he got surgery, it never came back.
But look, you can see he doesn't really have a tricep on his left arm.
Oh, he got hurt.
He got hurt to the bottom.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He's in a lot of trouble.
He's in a lot of trouble.
brendan schaub
He won't get on top of him.
Look at that.
He's hurt and he's on his back and he won't get on top of him.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's smart.
Like, make him stand up if you're tooling off on him.
brendan schaub
But he's on his back.
joe rogan
It's suicide.
Yeah, but on his back he might have a chance to do something.
Standing up, he's getting tooled.
brendan schaub
I'm agreeing with you, Joe.
I'm just...
joe rogan
It's smart.
It's interesting.
Yeah, it's smart.
I mean, wouldn't you tell him that if you were Camaro's coach?
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
You're like, don't go to the ground with this guy.
Let up.
Kick his calf.
jim norton
Isn't there that chance he's just going to wrap his arms around you and catch his breath?
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
He might sweep you.
You might think he's more tired than he is.
He might recover quicker than you think.
Next thing you know, he's got deep half on you.
Next thing you know, ooh, he's swinging.
brendan schaub
He might have a better shot on his back than he does standing.
joe rogan
Hey, how long before someone starts doing sidekicks and frontkicks to the calves and to the shins?
How long before a shin kick comes back, like in school?
Remember when that hurt like a motherfucker?
Kids would kick kids in the shins?
jim norton
Yeah, but I think after that Silva Weidman fight, people would break your toes.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not if you curl your foot back in a frontkick.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
jim norton
It's a legal kick, right?
joe rogan
I think it's legal if you could sidekick the thigh.
brendan schaub
If you could wheel kick the head.
How is anything illegal?
joe rogan
It's hilarious, right?
Yeah.
Well, it almost means how many people that get hit on the back of the head.
That's one thing I was noticing about boxing tonight.
Guys will complain while they're in the middle of an exchange if a punch hits the back of the head.
They touch the back of their head.
Like, hey, you're cheating.
You're hitting me back here.
Don't fucking hit me back here.
It's almost like an excuse for getting hit at all.
You fucking never see that in the UFC in stand-up.
You never see guys complaining about getting hit in the back of the head.
You hear about it on the ground.
You know, like you hear about like sometimes when a guy's trying to finish someone, they'll hit him all over the place and sometimes they'll hit the head.
Whether it's on purpose or not, they only know.
But standing up, you never hear about it.
jim norton
Well, did you think that referee was pretty tall?
Oh, he's hurt.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
He's out!
He's out!
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Wow!
That was sensational.
I told you, Kamaru Usman is legit.
That dude is seriously talented.
jim norton
Standing up was a smart move.
joe rogan
Yeah, he could be the one.
That guy could be a legit world champion.
I believe he's undefeated too.
He has one loss.
Who's his loss to?
jim norton
It was his second fight or something.
I think he's on a long winning streak.
joe rogan
Who's his loss to, Jeremy?
Kamaru Usman.
I'm a problem, he says.
eddie bravo
Oh man, for some reason I thought he was like Nigerian.
jim norton
He is Nigerian, but he came when he was young.
I asked him that.
joe rogan
Serious wrestler.
Serious athlete.
unidentified
Look at that back.
joe rogan
Dude, everything.
eddie bravo
That's so thick.
joe rogan
His speed.
And the thing is, man, he didn't even start out as a striker.
Jose Caceres.
eddie bravo
He wrestled in college?
joe rogan
He got submitted.
Way back in CFA 11 in his second pro fight.
Boom!
Dude, look at the speed on that shit.
eddie bravo
Hold on, what about this shot?
joe rogan
Oh, take that, dude.
jim norton
Is that Dan just giving this guy an extra second to see if he can get back?
eddie bravo
Oh, man!
joe rogan
Just wanted to see if the guy was conscious, because if he rolled, and then he was looking at him, he had his hands up, he would let it go.
jim norton
Great stoppage.
eddie bravo
Great stoppage.
That was perfect.
jim norton
So you don't think it should have been stopped before that punch?
No, it's a violent sport.
eddie bravo
You know what?
One extra punch.
It's a violent sport.
joe rogan
He could have stopped it, but he could have recovered.
That was the perfect stoppage.
You've got to let it play out a little bit.
And it's hard to do.
Dan's one of the best in the business, though.
He's so good.
You very rarely have complaints about Dan Mergliata.
eddie bravo
All fighters hate being stopped early.
They all hate that.
joe rogan
Gavin Tucker actually said that.
He thanked that referee for giving him a chance.
But that's just a guy who's too tough for his own good.
jim norton
That was his first loss, though.
I mean, he's a really tough dude, and, like, there was no way he was gonna quit.
But isn't his, like, orbital socket all fucked up?
joe rogan
I mean, he's gonna have a lot of things wrong with him.
He got beat up.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Real bad.
It was a bad beating.
Like, he took a beating for, I mean, the first round, it took a while before, you know, it got sort of lopsided.
But then from the second round on, it was pretty obvious that Rick Glenn wasn't getting tired.
And he's just pushing this crazy steady pace and just Gavin could not keep up with him and Rick was long and he couldn't get close to him and Rick just had this very workmanly approach.
Just kept on him and the dude just started breaking.
jim norton
Just a guy who knows, like a guy who's been around for a long time, at least the way Frankie Edgar beat up on Yahya Rodriguez.
A guy who's been around for a long time who knows how to beat the hot young guy coming up.
joe rogan
Well, Frankie Edgar's on a totally different level, because Frankie can keep this ferocious pace that so few people can keep up with.
Like, Yair thought he might keep up with it.
He thought, like, maybe when I get in there, I'll be able to scramble with this guy.
I'll be able to keep up with him.
My ground game's pretty good.
Probably worked on getting back up to his feet.
Probably thought, I'll surprise him.
I'll surprise him.
And when we're kicking, standing up, he's not going to be able to deal with my shit.
He just realized there's levels to this thing.
Frankie Edgar is on that world championship level.
jim norton
Is that what he's thinking probably is?
Like, there's no way Frankie's going to get close enough to me?
I'm going to be able to keep him away from me?
joe rogan
Well, or catch him coming in, or Frankie might try to exchange with him on the feet, and he has a chance to land something, or maybe his takedown defense is better than Frankie thinks it is.
There's a lot of thoughts that go into your head when you try to pull something like that off, but it was...
If you were his manager, it's not the fight to make.
It's just not the fight.
It's one of the worst fights to make.
I mean, it's good to find out how you do against an elite wrestler, but not the elite wrestler.
The guy who is a lightweight world champion.
Now he's coming down to 145, but the only guy that's been able to beat him is Aldo.
jim norton
Yeah, that's a decision, I think, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, Frankie's goddamn world class.
Aldo might have his number.
I don't know, but...
That doesn't mean that Frankie can't beat a lot of guys.
He fucked up Cub Swanson.
He's world championship level.
But sometimes guys, just for whatever reason, can't beat another guy.
Joe Frazier was always a world championship level boxer.
Could not beat George Foreman.
If they fought 100 times, George Foreman would have beat him 100 times.
jim norton
Yeah, and that's got to get into your head after a while.
I mean, Jones, Cormier only twice and plus all the stuff that happened, but there is always that one guy that you just can't do anything against.
joe rogan
There's guys that have a solution to your style.
You know, do you remember Sugar Shane Mosley?
Vernon Forrest.
Vernon Forrest just had this solution to Sugar Shane Mosley.
I believe he beat him twice.
You know, and it was like one of those things where Vernon didn't look the best Rest in peace.
He got shot, actually.
It's a terrible story, man.
Someone was trying to rob his car.
He tried to stop someone from robbing his car and they shot him.
jim norton
The gas station in Atlanta, is that the guy I'm thinking of?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim norton
Didn't he chase the guys, too?
He chased them and they fucking popped them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And apparently he was a super nice guy.
unidentified
It's just a really, really sad story.
joe rogan
But he could shine against Shane in a way that he couldn't shine against other people.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then Ricardo Mayorga knocked him out, remember?
I believe that.
jim norton
No, I don't remember the fight.
joe rogan
I believe Mayorga knocked him out.
Definitely beat him, I believe.
jim norton
I actually met Shane Mosley at one of my first UFC events.
He was there.
I want to say it's 2008, 2009. It might have been a Rampage fight in 2009. It's weird to watch boxers and those things and how they react.
joe rogan
It is weird, right?
jim norton
I sat behind Bernard Hopkins, and he had critical things to say.
A bunch of guys rolling around, it looks gay.
And then watching him and his trainers watch the guys on the ground.
Watching the stand-up, they were fine, but what they really got impressed with was the stuff on the ground, because that's the stuff he can't do.
So it was interesting to watch him kind of...
Watch his opinion change as he was there.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, I mean, they have to talk.
The problem is there's, like, these camps.
Like, look at that.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Look at that right hand.
Good lord, that was clean.
Like, you see him shaking his head.
He's totally out of it there.
Look at the timing on this.
Oh, that's so good.
But, you know, people just get lumped off into camps.
andy stumpf
Like, what sport's better?
joe rogan
It's so silly.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so silly, because boxing at its highest level, like tonight, what we're gonna watch in just hopefully like five or ten minutes...
They're walking out now.
Oh shit!
That is very compelling.
jim norton
Do you know that's one of the main differences right there, what you just saw Usman do?
That's one of the main differences between UFC and every sport, is the way the fighters treat the fans and interact with the fans.
You just don't see that in any other sport.
joe rogan
No, it's true.
And there's a lot of events where people get to meet fighters.
They do a lot of events, a lot of signings and shit.
You can go meet them and hang out with them.
jim norton
And you get invested in them and you get connected to them, so then when they're on the prelims or the undercard, you still want to watch them fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of good things.
The UFC figured out that boxing had fucked up, and now boxing has kind of picked up the slack in a lot of ways.
Rob Font.
Powerful Rob Font.
He's Mark Delgrate's student.
Very talented guy.
jim norton
And they also figured out giving you the fights that you want to see.
joe rogan
Yep.
jim norton
Like, just give you the fights.
Don't make it wait five years like we did with Tyson Holyfield.
Just put the fight together.
Make it happen.
You don't have ten different promoters working on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's hard to do that with boxing, you know?
jim norton
Sure.
joe rogan
I mean, this Canelo-Gernady Golovkin fight, this is a unification middleweight title fight.
Let's go to it right now.
It's very fucking hard to get these things to pull off.
jim norton
It's all the behind-the-scenes people.
unidentified
Yeah I had to pee real quick You think the bathroom's safe now?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jim norton
I gave it the mandatory hour.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a good hour.
Alright, let me try to find this.
Jamie, where am I supposed to point this fucking thing?
unidentified
From there.
joe rogan
Oh, that side.
Okay, now it's working.
brendan schaub
Big fight for Branch.
joe rogan
Huge dude.
That they give him...
Luke Rockhold?
That's kind of crazy.
brendan schaub
Is this his first fight in the UFC? No.
joe rogan
No, he used to be in the UFC a while back.
And then...
I guess I'm going to have to keep doing this.
So 219...
Yeah, it's not working.
unidentified
123 maybe?
joe rogan
Okay, hang on a second.
This is the most boring part of the podcast ever.
What did you just ask me?
unidentified
David Branch.
brendan schaub
David Branch.
joe rogan
He fought Gerald Harris way back in the day.
He got slammed and KO'd.
This was like his first fight in the UFC. He was in Gerald Harris' guard, and he slammed him and knocked him out cold.
So it was a good fight up until that moment, but he was in his guard.
He was trying to work his guard, and he got just body slammed.
eddie bravo
And got knocked out from it.
He got picked up in the guard like Arona Rampage?
joe rogan
Gerald Harris is a stud.
He didn't get picked up that high.
It wasn't like that.
That's the crazy shit of all time.
That wasn't the guard.
brendan schaub
That was a triangle.
So all that extra leverage.
joe rogan
You get higher.
Dude, that's terrifying.
That's the most terrifying slam of all time.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
We watched that the other day.
unidentified
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah, we watched the head.
The head collide as he slams into the ground and you see Rampage's head smash into Arona's head.
Dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody could slam people like Rampage slammed people.
Alright folks, so Gennady Golovkin just walked out.
eddie bravo
Look at all those belts.
joe rogan
Motherfucker has a lot of belts.
jim norton
Wasn't he on like a 23 or 24 first round knockout streak too before this last decision?
joe rogan
Something preposterous.
Okay, who's the champion here?
They're both champions.
Who's heavier?
Well, Gennady Golovkin's been fighting at a heavier weight class.
And Canelo fought...
Floyd Mayweather, I think at 152. And I think earlier in his career, he fought lighter than that.
I believe.
jim norton
Wasn't that way earlier, too, though, for him?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
He was a young guy when he went pro.
Like, real young.
What's that?
unidentified
23 straight.
joe rogan
He had 23 straight KOs?
jim norton
In the first round.
joe rogan
Go down to Golovkin did?
Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, 23 straight KOs.
But then he went to...
I don't think they were all in the first round.
jim norton
Maybe they weren't in the first round?
joe rogan
No.
jim norton
I'm just adding to his legend for no reason.
joe rogan
Most of them, he would break guys down over a few rounds.
brendan schaub
Think about how that Mayweather fight, all the hype and the promo, how it blew him up.
eddie bravo
From that fight, he's like a national hero.
joe rogan
Canelo?
Canelo was already a national hero.
eddie bravo
Not quite as big as he is now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess the Mayweather fight made him big, but he wouldn't just beat the shit out of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. That was terrible.
jim norton
A terrible fight.
joe rogan
That was sad to watch.
eddie bravo
Yeah, my mom didn't know who Canelo was before that Mayweather fight.
brendan schaub
Now she worships him.
jim norton
I don't love the dad either, to be honest with you.
brendan schaub
My mom is as Mexican as it gets.
joe rogan
Isn't it sad to watch a guy like Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight a guy like Canelo?
I missed it.
Oh, dude.
eddie bravo
I thought he was supposed to be good.
jim norton
He wasn't in the family business.
joe rogan
He's good.
unidentified
He's tough.
eddie bravo
He's just not that good?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Did he get knocked out?
joe rogan
No, he got beat up.
He went into a defensive shell.
He just stopped firing back at all.
He was just getting tooled on.
jim norton
You know who he reminded me of?
The kid in the bed and who's bears?
Remember the kid when he was holding the ball and he's so pissed off at his father?
And his father slapped him in the face and he won't throw the ball home?
That's what he reminded me of during that fight.
Just like fucking just kind of standing there, letting it happen.
joe rogan
It was hard to watch, man.
I was like, this kid doesn't need to be doing this.
Like, he doesn't really want to do it.
jim norton
Didn't it seem like he didn't want to fight?
joe rogan
Yeah, he definitely didn't want to fight him.
eddie bravo
You think he had like a panic attack?
joe rogan
No, I just think he realized that there was just a level of commitment that Canelo possesses that he just doesn't.
And he knew it in the...
There's like tells in their interviews.
Like, Max Kellerman does a very nice interview when he sits down with two fighters, and he sits in between of them, and he asks them questions, and they'll ask him questions, and they have this, like, translate thing back and forth, but...
You could see, psychologically, Canelo had a big advantage over him.
Canelo was just saying, look, his fight career has been a disgrace.
I've fought the best of the best.
His father was amazing and he was an incredible world champion, but he's just never lived up to the hype.
And you could see...
You know, he was like, well, I will know.
jim norton
Yeah, it's not a good comeback.
joe rogan
I'm gonna know.
jim norton
That's a very poor comeback.
eddie bravo
Was he good, though?
Was he, like, before Canelo?
joe rogan
He's always been good.
Was he undefeated?
He's a good fighter.
No, he's lost to some fighters, like maybe one or two.
I can't remember how many people he's lost to.
jim norton
Are you talking about Charles?
eddie bravo
He's one of the best.
He just can't get that belt.
joe rogan
He was better, I think, a few years ago, but he's always been a very good fighter.
Like, he's not a bad fighter.
Like, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. knows how to fight, for sure.
He's just not at this guy's level.
jim norton
But do you think it's because their fathers are both, well, I'm thinking about Marvis Frazier, too, or guys whose fathers, when you grow up with boxing money, it's a little harder to be motivated than a guy like that.
joe rogan
For sure.
You don't have that kind of confidence, that kind of mean streak.
It's not a coincidence that so many of these guys grow up in impoverished situations.
But here's the thing.
Jon Jones, I don't think, grew up in...
I mean, his family's still together.
I think he had a comfortable financial childhood.
I might be wrong about that.
But, I mean, his family's all together.
So it doesn't...
Like, some guys are just better at it.
jim norton
Yeah, but I think there's much more the other way than there are guys who grew up comfortably.
There's some, like Bill Lambert, they said grew up pretty comfortable and wealthy and was still like the biggest animal on the court.
joe rogan
It can totally happen.
You could have a kid that has all the money in the world but they just have some psychotic drive where they just want to be the best at something.
jim norton
They want to prove they're not pussies.
joe rogan
It could be that or it could just be there's people that just really love testing themselves.
They just really love competing.
And you get a few steps ahead, right?
Like, you do it for a little bit, and then you really start getting into it, and then you get into it more, and then it becomes you, becomes your favorite thing to do, becomes your identity.
Like, even if you grew up with money, you could still become obsessed with something.
And if you could become obsessed by being the best at anything, it's possible.
It's just not as likely.
It's way more likely when it's a poor kid.
They grow up, you know, with a sense of urgency.
You grow up with, like, this knowledge in your head that, hey, man, it might not always be okay.
Like, there could be a real bad time.
jim norton
And a lot of times your motive for going after it is different, too, because you really do remember what it's like to have absolutely nothing, so your motive is to avoid that again.
That's a very powerful thing.
joe rogan
It is a very powerful thing, and you can't fake that.
jim norton
By the way, boxing has too much shit in the ring.
There's just too much business happening in the fucking ring.
Stop it.
joe rogan
Look at all these people in here.
jim norton
It's very unnecessary.
joe rogan
There's 30 people in there.
brendan schaub
It's kind of like that in music, too, because the thought is that you have to grow up in the same kind of situation, you know, impoverished or like just a serious broken family, lack of love.
eddie bravo
But then you have Chris Martin, the singer from Coldplay.
He breaks the mold.
It's like valedictorian, you know, brought up with money and just a happy life.
joe rogan
You know, he's just like making music.
brendan schaub
Yeah, exactly.
jim norton
Bayless, that's by the way, the referee I think who was shitting on Conor and Floyd fighting.
Who'd want to see that?
It's two different sports.
joe rogan
Kenny Bayless did that?
jim norton
I'm pretty sure that's the ref that they did not want.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
Well, you know, a lot of boxing people, like I was saying before, they want to defend boxing.
They want to be on team boxing.
And honestly, I played a part of that a little bit when I had this thing with Lou DiBella.
jim norton
That's right.
You were very good in that, by the way.
joe rogan
Well, it felt like it was pretty easy.
He wasn't making very good arguments.
jim norton
He was terrible arguments.
joe rogan
The other problem is, I mean, you know, if I really went to war with somebody, I said, yeah, I got that guy.
It was a terrible argument, and I'm a fan.
Like, that's the dumb part.
I'm a fan of boxing.
And I probably know a lot.
I bet if he and I sat down and we just started talking about classic fights, Hagler-Hearns, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberta Durant, like he would realize like really quickly, like I'm a legit boxing fan.
I fucking love boxing.
jim norton
How many rounds did Hagler-Hearns go?
Is that three?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Who did he draw with?
Hagler?
Oh, Canelo?
I don't know.
He had that fight with Mayweather, though, where Mayweather just...
Mayweather did a genius thing.
First of all, he made him cut a lot of weight, made him get down to 152, drained him up a little bit.
And then, you know, he caught him before he reached the level that he's at now.
Like, when he fought Amir Khan...
He fucked Amir Khan up, dude, with a haymaker of a right hand.
And when he landed that bomb and put Amir Khan to sleep, you gotta go, okay, this is a guy that's now at the fucking peak of his game.
So when he fought Mayweather, Mayweather caught him right when he was getting into it.
Right when he was coming up.
And that Mayweather fight, I think, took him over the top.
When you fight a guy that's slick, and it's talented, and fucking fast, and the timing that Mayweather has, you realize that there's levels to this thing.
jim norton
Is Golovkin fighting at the weight he normally fights at?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is his weight, man.
He's the king.
jim norton
This guy's a beast.
I don't know.
The guys behind him look exactly like him, too.
joe rogan
The good thing about this fight is, what's interesting is, Golovkin, some experts believe that he might be slipping slightly.
And Canelo is coming up.
And the idea is that a year ago, Golovkin would have fucked Canelo up.
This is what a lot of people believe.
But now, Canelo's better, and Golovkin might have faded a little bit.
jim norton
What's the age difference?
joe rogan
I think Golovkin is, he's older for sure, but I think he's 35. See if you can find that, young Jamie.
I want to say he's 35 or 36. Yeah, Canelo's 27. Golovkin is what?
jim norton
34?
joe rogan
I think he's younger than 36. 35. Okay.
So that's like, unless he's juicing, that's the last of the squeeze.
Eight years, yeah.
No, but I mean when you're around 35, that's when the decline happens to almost everybody.
36, it slips.
37, it slips more.
39, 40. Very rarely see a 40-year-old champion that's not on the sauce.
jim norton
Yeah, I mean, that's why Randy Couture was such an amazing...
joe rogan
Well, it's really why Bernard Hopkins was the most impressive.
He went into his 50s.
And he still was out boxing world-class fighters and dropping them.
I mean, he got fucked up by Joe Smith, but Joe Smith is a monster.
jim norton
Was that his final fight where he got knocked through the ring?
joe rogan
Scary.
eddie bravo
How old is he now?
52 or 53. And he was 50 when he last fought.
jim norton
I think he was 51 or 52. And his brain is perfectly coherent.
I don't know how he has nothing.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Round one, ladies and gentlemen.
Eddie Bravo, prediction?
eddie bravo
I'm gonna go with the Mexican.
joe rogan
Dude, you gotta go with your people.
I understand.
Norton?
jim norton
I gotta go with Golovkin.
joe rogan
Have to.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Because he's white?
jim norton
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I feel like either one of these motherfuckers could shock the world.
eddie bravo
Is Kazakhstan considered white?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's definitely white if you go to a black neighborhood and try to say the N-word.
jim norton
Yep.
joe rogan
That's all you need to know.
Are you white?
Well, can you get away with being in a black neighborhood and using the N-word?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim norton
Do you have that type of credibility or do not?
joe rogan
If you're Wesley Snarp Stark, you can get away with using it anywhere in the world, right?
jim norton
Sure.
eddie bravo
So Canelo's white?
joe rogan
Canelo is actually Mexican, but he's got red fucking hair.
It's crazy.
unidentified
Freckles.
brendan schaub
But if Kazakhstan is considered white, then why wouldn't Canelo be considered white?
joe rogan
He is white.
For sure.
I mean, he's Russian.
Or, you know, part of the former Soviet Union.
brendan schaub
That's right by China.
joe rogan
Well, you know, a lot of these people have Mongolian in them.
A lot of these people...
Is that white?
Well, no.
It's like an Asian.
But that's Genghis Khan.
I mean, Genghis Khan, I think they said some insane number, like 5% of all the men in Asia, or all the people in Asia, Have Genghis Khan's genes.
jim norton
Jesus.
He was dumping loads all over the place.
joe rogan
Fucked everybody and killed everyone.
Killed like, you know, they don't even know how many millions, but somewhere between 20 and 70 million people died directly by his hand.
eddie bravo
You know what his daughter was named?
joe rogan
Which one?
brendan schaub
Shaka.
joe rogan
Shaka Khan?
Feel for you.
jim norton
I met her in a falafel place in New York.
Me and Godfrey chased her down the street and ran into a meter.
unidentified
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
joe rogan
One in 200 of the whole population of the world is directly descended from Genghis Khan.
Look at that.
Oh my god.
jim norton
What years was he alive?
joe rogan
It was like the 1200s, I think.
eddie bravo
That's basically 100% of China.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh dude, this is a great fight, huh?
Golovkin just double-jabbed him.
Ooh.
That's a strong jab.
That might be a big factor.
He's used that jab before on guys and shocked him and out-boxed him.
Lemieux, he did that with.
He came out and started popping him with a jab, and a lot of people didn't expect that.
He can out-box the shit out of people.
eddie bravo
He caught him.
Uppercut.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, those are blocked, though.
Nothing's happening there.
Those are getting blocked.
The jab is what you gotta keep an eye on.
See?
Or the counter right hand of Canelo, too.
brendan schaub
He's a lot bigger.
joe rogan
Who?
brendan schaub
Triple G. Yeah, he is bigger.
joe rogan
He's taller.
See how that jab keeps landing?
His face is fucked up, and it's the first round.
He's getting lit up with that straight jab.
He's shaking his hand.
brendan schaub
He's got a little latitude.
jim norton
He's shaking it a lot, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he gets angry at people and starts talking shit to them and he puts his hands down and lets them punch him in the face.
When he was breaking this one dude down, as he was breaking him down, he put his hands down, started walking towards him and letting the guy punch him, just moving his hands slightly and then fucking digs in on him.
He's a mean guy, man.
jim norton
How many?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's mean.
jim norton
Isn't the psychology that amazing though?
When you drop your hands, a lot of times guys won't react immediately because there's a schoolyard humiliation of a guy doing that and you missing.
It's really weird to watch professional fighters not always just go right in when someone's hands are down.
joe rogan
Well, let me help you out with that.
There's also a reason.
When you drop your hands, you don't know where the punches are coming from.
It's a different thing.
Like, it's very tricky.
When someone drops their hands, you have to be very careful.
Because things can come from anywhere.
It's one of the reasons why Tommy Hearns, when he jabbed, he kept his hand down here and he'd pop it up in your face.
You don't see it as much.
You don't see it as quick.
If someone's standing right here and you see this and you see that, you see the hands a little bit more.
It's a traditional pattern that you understand.
When someone has their hands down low and they start moving their head, shit can come wild from all over the place.
eddie bravo
How many pay-per-view cards has Triple G headlined?
joe rogan
Only a few.
He's been mostly like an HBO fighter because his pay-per-views didn't sell well.
Which one?
Gennady Golovkin.
I forget who he fought, but he was like 150,000 buys.
It's unfortunate because he's fucking marvelous in there.
I mean, amazing.
eddie bravo
Who's the two best guys he beat?
joe rogan
Kell Brook.
Kell Brook's very good.
And he broke him down.
eddie bravo
White guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, he's a black guy from England.
Really badass.
World champion at a lighter weight.
He was world champion, I believe, at welterweight.
And he came up.
Oh, look at this.
Canelo.
I don't like all that.
That's a little wasted energy right there.
A little too much emotion.
I mean, he like roostered him.
Got behind him.
That's a lot of energy.
He just blew there in a fight.
jim norton
That happened a lot, too, in Conor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim norton
Man with a lot.
joe rogan
I think that was different, though, you know.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
These guys are way more identical in terms of skill and career.
But I'm seeing Golovkin get the better of these exchanges.
They both jabbed each other at the same time.
Stiff.
You know, the age could really be a factor.
Canelo's never really taken a beating.
He only had one fight that he lost, and that was that fight with Mayweather.
And he really didn't get beat up in that fight, he just got outboxed.
jim norton
Was that a decision?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Unanimous.
Clear.
Mayweather just showed him what's up.
But he didn't knock him out, you know what I mean?
It's like Canelo's beating the fuck out of some really good fighters.
He's a super dangerous puncher.
And Golovkin has been in way more wars than Canelo has.
Canelo's figured out a way to avoid wars and just put it on people.
It's just fucking really good, man.
This is, for boxing, this is like as good as it gets.
jim norton
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Because Canelo's still getting better.
You know, ooh, that's a sweet jab.
I mean, he's 27 now, and this fight is going to make him better, too.
You know, he's only 27. Golovkin, if Canelo managed to KO him and he's 35...
Could be the end, you know, or at least the beginning of the end.
He's not 25, but Canelo almost is.
jim norton
And part of the appeal is that he's 37-0.
There's something about undefeated fire.
eddie bravo
I like those three G's on his belt.
unidentified
That's huge.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's dope.
Well, he's undefeated for a reason, man.
He's a fucking master.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Gucci should sponsor him.
joe rogan
Ah, that's right.
We want two of your G's.
eddie bravo
Or the Freemasons.
joe rogan
Just the other one put over your dick.
Just put our G's up top, and then your G over the dick.
Hublot, the watch company, sponsored his dick.
Look.
Isn't that funny that people care about that?
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
That the UFC didn't want that.
A lot of people felt like if they see too much of that on boxer shorts, it bothers them.
I don't even notice it.
jim norton
Does it even help with sales or does it just get into your psyche and you don't even realize it's in there?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I remember back in the day, cigarette companies used to sponsor fighters.
Like boxers used to have cigarette companies on their shorts.
Forget who did that.
You know what?
It might have been Majorga.
Who the fuck had a cigarette company sponsored them?
Cigarette company sponsored boxers.
jim norton
Did you ever see the old one where they would sponsor cartoons?
And they would show Fred smoking a Winston?
Like, they would have, like, fucking, uh, what's that?
I hate that show.
The, uh, Flintstones.
joe rogan
You hate the Flintstones?
jim norton
Ah, it fucking makes me sick.
Despise Fred Flintstone.
joe rogan
Why?
jim norton
I don't know.
I just always hated them.
joe rogan
Why?
jim norton
It's a weird one.
I'm not a big cartoon guy, but that one I particularly hated.
joe rogan
Ooh, look at that.
Left hook to the body, son.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
Boom!
Golovkin with a crisp straight right.
This is as good as it gets for boxing, man.
It really is.
You know, you got a guy in Golovkin, undefeated, 35-0, been blasting everybody, wanting that big fight.
And then Canelo Alvarez, this proud superstar, steps up, wants this fight.
Who called who out?
They both called each other out.
I mean, Canelo's always said he wanted to fight the very best.
eddie bravo
He's bleeding.
Golovkin, it looks like he's...
joe rogan
Oh, left hook and then another one behind it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Goddamn Golovkin's good.
Goddamn he's good.
He landed some shots there, man.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
That was an interesting combination.
The way he threw the left hook and then threw it again.
A surprising left hook.
The second left hook in particular.
He's forcing this kid to box with him.
I mean, to slug with him.
That's his style of fight.
Canelo's a really good counter striker.
And what's going on here now is...
Golovkin is just really coming to him and Canelo's...
this is like a perfect fight in a lot of ways.
This is like the kind of fight you would hope.
jim norton
But does Canelo want to stand there with him and trade punches?
joe rogan
Well, he wants a counter-strike, but, I mean, Golovkin's gonna come towards him, so he has his opportunities.
I mean, it's a brilliant fight.
Like, as far as, like, what, you know, stylistically?
It's perfect.
jim norton
Has Golovkin ever even really been in trouble in a fight?
joe rogan
Not really.
He's been punched a lot, though.
brendan schaub
Never been dropped?
joe rogan
No, I don't believe so.
I've never even seen him, like, stunned.
He did have a really good fight in his last fight.
Can you put Golovkin's record up so I can remember homeboy's name?
He's had a couple of very good fights where, you know, people are coming to him very, you know, enthusiastic.
jim norton
Who was the last fight he fought?
Is Sherman who was the last?
unidentified
I don't...
jim norton
Daniel Jacobs.
joe rogan
Daniel Jacobs is the one.
That guy, that was a really close fight.
Awesome, awesome fight.
But it was a unanimous decision for Gennady Golovkin, but Daniel Jacobs is fucking for real.
brendan schaub
White guy?
jim norton
Black guy.
joe rogan
He's super good.
So it was like, it was a big win.
And, you know, everybody could tell watching the fight that Jacobs is super legit.
I mean, we already knew it coming in, but...
So, even though he didn't knock him out, he still won.
eddie bravo
Damn, Canelo's fierce.
joe rogan
Fierce.
Both guys are fierce.
Oh, that left hook to the body by Canelo!
They're both so good, man.
Oh, that uppercut!
Damn!
See, and then the other thing you gotta think of is age, man.
The reality of age.
35 with some wars behind him versus 27 with really no wars.
Just smashing a lot of people.
unidentified
Real good trainers.
joe rogan
He's been the same trainer since he was a kid.
What are you showing me, Jamie?
What's going on?
Is that the UFC? Oh my god, you're amazing.
How come we can't put it on that TV? It's on my computer.
Oh, we gotta fix that.
Who are these guys fighting?
eddie bravo
Arm triangle.
joe rogan
Oh, Gregor Gillespie and Jason Gonzalez.
Folks, we should be on Twitter at the same time.
We should be periscoping this.
jim norton
I don't use any of those live.
Once in a while I go on Facebook.
I know it's supposed to help, but I just can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes it's too much.
eddie bravo
He keeps going back to the arm triangle.
He lost it last time, and then he went back to it.
brendan schaub
He likes it.
Oh, no, he lost it again.
eddie bravo
He's going to underjack it again.
You go right back to it.
Easy on us.
He goes right back to it.
unidentified
Look at that.
eddie bravo
You could tell.
I knew he was gonna do it because he's so good at it.
brendan schaub
There's no way he's gonna wear him out.
eddie bravo
He's gotta keep him in the chopping block right there.
He's gotta not try to finish him.
brendan schaub
Just keep him in the chopping block.
joe rogan
What do you think of that way of defending?
brendan schaub
Ooh, that was a nice way.
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you grab, you escrip under your leg.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
That's the way you defend it, but doing it the way he's doing it.
joe rogan
Oh, he's out.
He's gone.
brendan schaub
He's gone.
It's over.
joe rogan
Tap.
jim norton
Was that what Dos Anjos finished off Neil Magny with?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Yeah, smushed him.
Round four, here we go.
This is too ADD having the UFC play here, too.
eddie bravo
Dude, you turned it on at the perfect time.
You rarely see an underjack battle in the UFC like that.
That was a battle.
He tried it three different times.
brendan schaub
You rarely see that.
eddie bravo
You don't ever see that.
joe rogan
That's Gregor Gillespie.
He's a fucking beast, man.
eddie bravo
Gregor Gillespie?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's a bad motherfucker right there.
joe rogan
He's a beast.
brendan schaub
That was some good mount strategies.
eddie bravo
He wasn't trying to beat him up.
He was trying to finish him.
jim norton
Shot to the body.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Canelo just hit him with a hard left hook to the body and go up.
eddie bravo
Let's see if they should.
joe rogan
These guys are going at it, man.
This is crazy.
This is a fucking war, man.
I mean, we're watching an all-time classic boxing war right now.
Look at that jab.
jim norton
Did I hit him?
It looked like I missed him.
unidentified
Did I hit him?
joe rogan
No, I popped him.
Fast.
Ooh.
Eddie Bravo, would you be watching this if it wasn't for us?
eddie bravo
Yes, because he's Mexican.
joe rogan
Ah...
Did you know it was going to start at 8?
brendan schaub
They always start around 8, 8.30.
joe rogan
Well, not usually.
They start at like 9. They decided to start this one early.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
Just to make sure the people on the East Coast...
Look at that.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Golovkin with that jab.
jim norton
You think that was the thinking, too?
Like, let's make sure people in New York and Jersey and Florida can order this?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
That's what...
Oh, dude.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
This is distracting.
Shit.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
It was a good idea at first, but...
jim norton
He just did that thing, by the way, where he dropped his arms a little bit, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's boxing him up.
He shook his head.
As soon as they shake their head no, that means yes.
jim norton
Yeah, does that ever mean the guy isn't hurt when he shakes?
unidentified
No.
jim norton
Because why would you tell him you're not hurt?
joe rogan
Well, it does, kind of.
Like, you ain't got shit.
You could say that a guy, but the problem is when someone actually hits you and really dings you and then you do it, like, never.
eddie bravo
Well, maybe the no is saying, no, you didn't knock me down.
Not this time.
Maybe that's what he means.
Maybe.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like it.
Mostly what it seems like, that didn't hurt.
Like, that ain't shit.
You didn't get me.
No one ever says you didn't knock me down.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Except in like a Jake LaMotta movie.
jim norton
That was exactly it.
unidentified
Great close up on the rings trying to fucking jabbing that counter right together.
joe rogan
These guys are so well matched.
Ooh, look at that tight left hook by Triple G. He's hurt.
eddie bravo
Triple G? No Canelo.
joe rogan
You think so?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
What makes you say that?
eddie bravo
Because he keeps going backwards into the ropes.
That body shot that you were talking about, right when that landed, you looked at his eyes, he went, oh shit.
joe rogan
You might be right.
You might be right.
jim norton
I keep forgetting these are three minute rounds.
joe rogan
No, they're weird, right?
jim norton
Yeah, you get into it, you're like, oh fuck the bell.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting about that?
It's easier to go...
Five minutes boxing than it is to go three minutes of wrestling.
Yet the UFC is like five minute rounds and boxing is three minute rounds.
They just got used to it.
But one thing though is if you give a shorter round, there is a good argument for a shorter round.
That argument is guys can go faster and harder in three minutes than they can in five because they have to conserve themselves.
jim norton
Right.
eddie bravo
Do you feel like boxing over the last year is making a comeback?
For sure.
joe rogan
I think boxing is in a good place right now.
eddie bravo
It's making a little comeback?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And it might have something to do with the fact that there's a rivalry going on between UFC and boxing.
eddie bravo
Like, what sport is better?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I think it's bringing more attention to boxing by the UFC fans.
They're paying attention to boxing because there's this debate.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
It's a good argument.
eddie bravo
Maybe the UFC is blowing boxing up.
joe rogan
Well, it's also boxing's in a real good place right now.
There's so many good fighters.
Lomachenko, I mean, these two gentlemen.
jim norton
Could you really do a three-minute round in UFC? I mean, with jiu-jitsu and all that, it just seems like it wouldn't work.
joe rogan
What I would think is maybe a five-minute round of boxing would be kind of interesting.
But I think they're doing it right, honestly, because I think, you know, you could go hard and fast for three minutes, and maybe it'll ensure a faster pace for the majority of the fight than if you made guys fight five-minute rounds.
jim norton
How often do they give out 10-8 rounds in boxing?
joe rogan
When guys get dropped, quite a bit.
It's pretty common.
It was uncommon for a long time in MMA, but it's more common now.
Wow, that was good head movement there by Canelo.
jim norton
That's because of the rule changes, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Canelo avoided most of that.
He's good.
Really good defense there.
His defense is tight.
Good movement.
Ooh, that's a good right hand to the body.
It's just like to get to this level, what's exciting about this fight is that to get to this level, there's so much shit you gotta go through.
It's so rare that a guy comes out this good, you know?
Like, there's so few of them.
jim norton
It's even rare that you get two of them finally fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, like this.
eddie bravo
Who else, who are the top pay-per-view boxers?
joe rogan
You're looking at it right now, man.
eddie bravo
Floyd in this?
joe rogan
Yeah, Floyd's retired.
Manny Pacquiao's not drawing the numbers he used to.
In his last fight, he fought and he lost to a schoolteacher.
You know, his time is basically done.
jim norton
Where did he go to fight?
joe rogan
Australia.
eddie bravo
What about in the heavyweight division?
No pay-per-view there?
joe rogan
Well, Anthony Joshua's a huge star in London and in England and probably in Europe and the UK. In America, he's a big star with boxing fans, but sort of like how Triple G's a big star with boxing fans.
Canelo's a huge star with actual Mexicans, like, across the board.
And maybe you could say that about Anthony Joshua.
With England.
You know, I'm not in England.
Could very well be that...
Oh, look at that right hand over the top.
He said no.
He said no?
Uh-uh.
I don't know about that.
brendan schaub
What do you think boxing needs to do to keep the upward trajectory?
joe rogan
It's just hard.
It's just hard.
You got guys like Terrence Crawford.
He's a bad motherfucker.
You got Lomachenko.
You've got some good fighters.
You've got Andre Ward, who's one of the best in the world, the boxing light heavyweight champion, who's also the U.S. gold medalist in boxing.
He's a beast, man.
jim norton
I think what you got to do is give people the fights that they want and not make them wait for it for two years and three years.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's easier said than done.
jim norton
Oh, absolutely.
unidentified
It's hard.
jim norton
It's what helped the UFC, I think, so much.
joe rogan
Look at that.
And they're shaking their hands at each other.
Ooh, this is crazy.
brendan schaub
Look at that shit.
joe rogan
Canelo's winging some shots.
He's throwing them hard, man.
Ooh!
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Maybe he wanted to tie Glovgan out a little bit.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
Glov-a-gin.
unidentified
Glov-a-gin.
brendan schaub
How do you say it?
joe rogan
Glov-a-gin.
Ooh, this is a good fight.
Ooh, dropped his hands.
He got popular jab.
jim norton
The fucking cologne on the back of his pants?
Bajun?
Bajun or Bajon?
unidentified
Is that what it is?
jim norton
Yeah, that's a cologne.
This guy Norman used to wear it in a department store I worked in and he was arrested for stealing.
He always smelled good, Norman.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
This smells.
jim norton
Yeah, he smelled great.
unidentified
I was like, what is it?
jim norton
He's like, bajoon.
joe rogan
People are weird with their fucking colognes, right?
jim norton
Yeah.
I have a whole fucking shelf full of them.
joe rogan
Do you?
jim norton
Yeah, I just, I don't know why I like them.
It's overcompensation, I think.
joe rogan
I used to wear jacar.
jim norton
Oh, God, yeah, it was great.
That was like fucking, that was like Guido stuff in like 1988, 1990. You thought you had to wear it to get laid.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Girls like colognes.
jim norton
Capizios.
They like it.
eddie bravo
For some reason, they love it.
joe rogan
They like it.
Gotta wear it.
Gotta wear what they like.
jim norton
I don't like a girl to wear perfume at all.
Like, I really don't like, I like natural.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I like the fruity smelling, like the sweet perfumes.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Not the grandma perfume.
joe rogan
Oh, son.
jim norton
Yeah, I don't like any, I want it to smell like a fucking gorilla.
joe rogan
Canelo shook his head, but that was a bomb that he got hit with.
brendan schaub
It graved him.
joe rogan
It's weird, male perfume.
It's weird that we accept that, you know?
Oh, look at that right hand!
Damn, dude.
Golovkin's pouring it on.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Golovkin is landing some shots, man.
It's only the sixth round.
This is just the sixth round.
I don't know.
Oh!
Canelo's firing back!
That's a hard shot to the body.
brendan schaub
He hurt him to the body.
joe rogan
He hurt him to the liver.
Oh, and he went back to it.
Golovkin's in trouble.
He's hurt to the body.
brendan schaub
He knows it.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He does know it.
He hit him with the right hand in the liver.
unidentified
Oh, look at it.
brendan schaub
He's landing left and right now.
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
What a turnaround!
It's so hard to recover from that liver shot, too.
You gotta keep moving.
But you're diminished.
You ever been hitting the liver, Jim?
I know you've had a lot of guys leg kick you and choke you.
jim norton
I don't think anyone's ever purposely punched me in the liver.
I've had a lot of things done that were all unpleasant, but they say that's a pretty bad one.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
And to fact, I'm pretty sure that happened just now to Gennady Golovkin, and you could barely tell watching him fight.
Ooh, he got hit in the chest there.
Little high.
Ooh, this is a good fight.
It's so back and forth.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I punched a guy in the liver in the fourth grade, didn't do shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta work on your technique, son.
The fourth grade means you were nine.
jim norton
Are you sure you actually hit the liver?
eddie bravo
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Totally, bro.
eddie bravo
Crushed it.
joe rogan
It's a horrible thing to kick.
I think it's a mental liver.
Need to deliver might be the worst.
That's one of the worst.
Need to deliver is horrifying.
Ronda Rousey was so good at that.
She would tie girls up in that judo clinch and then just knee the fuck out of their body.
It was ruthless.
Because she was so good at the upper body control.
She could tie you up so well from judo.
Oh, Gennady Kolovian with the right hand of the body.
She would just get a hold of girls and then she started fucking nuking them with knees to the body.
She did that to Sarah McMahon.
God damn, this is good.
jim norton
Yeah, this is really...
joe rogan
So tense, right?
Like anything can happen here.
Fortunes can change.
The drop of a hat!
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Canelo is firing him, huh?
jim norton
Both these guys do it.
49 of 44 power punches.
joe rogan
God damn it, that is so insane.
jim norton
In favor of Golovkin.
eddie bravo
Is Ronda coming back, you think?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
jim norton
She's going to wrestling, I think.
brendan schaub
You think it's over?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
I don't think she wants to do it anymore.
For whatever reason, you could break that down psychologically all day.
Matt Serra had a great line that I never forgot.
He said a long time ago that everybody likes to be the hammer, but nobody wants to be the nail.
If you're the nail, can you come back?
eddie bravo
Yeah, and there's always going to be fighters out there that you can't take down and you're going to be forced to stand.
joe rogan
Sure.
brendan schaub
And the level of striking right now with the girls is at an all-time high.
eddie bravo
And if you ain't on top of your striking, even if you get really good, it's still Russian roulette.
brendan schaub
These girls are savages.
joe rogan
So many of them are so good.
Like Shevchenko and Amanda Nunes.
Dangerous.
eddie bravo
What are you going to do if you can't take the person down?
You have to strike.
And then it becomes a kickboxing battle.
How good is your kickboxing?
joe rogan
A kickboxing battle where you hope and pray that something goes wrong and you get it to the ground.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
brendan schaub
Ronda has good striking.
eddie bravo
It's not terrible.
brendan schaub
But even if it was great, there's a lot of great strikers out there.
eddie bravo
So at the end of the day, you're going to be forced to win a kickboxing tournament.
brendan schaub
At the very top.
It's gonna be very hard.
eddie bravo
She didn't wrestle her whole life.
brendan schaub
She's doing judo at an Olympic level.
She has great takedowns.
She was able to ragdoll most of her opponents.
But right now, man, it's gonna be very hard for her to take these girls down right now.
She's gonna be forced to strike.
eddie bravo
So then it becomes, you know, she could win some, she could lose some.
jim norton
How many people did she beat that were strikers as good as Holly Holm or Amanda Nunes?
joe rogan
None.
None of them were as good as her.
The only one who was close was Kat Zingano, and she caught Kat really quick.
jim norton
The first round, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, with an arm bar.
Kat just charged at her and got caught with an arm bar.
jim norton
Yeah, I think Rhonda said, I think Kat deserved better.
She knew that that was just kind of a fluke.
joe rogan
You know what Kat said?
The reason why she charged at her like that is because she took a furious beating in that Amanda Nunes fight.
She won the fight, but she got fucked up in that first round, like real bad.
And she's like, I didn't want to go through that again.
She goes, I just want to charge at her and get a hold of her.
eddie bravo
Imagine if Ronda Rousey decided to, on the girl she couldn't throw or take down, plan B is flying guard pull.
She had the guard for it.
She has an amazing guard, amazing arm bar from the guard.
Her plan should have been, in my opinion, to get the fight to the ground, try to be on top, try to use your judo.
brendan schaub
If that didn't work, we have to go to pull and guard.
joe rogan
The problem with someone like Amanda Nunes is that's not going to happen.
eddie bravo
You don't think she can pull guard on Amanda Nunes?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
You can pull guard on anybody.
joe rogan
I think you're going to get eaten up with punches when you try to get close.
Amanda's got some long ass arms.
eddie bravo
In order to pull guard, you've got to pull off a legit shot to get them to react, to get them to sprawl.
brendan schaub
And that's when you pull guard.
When you're under them and they sprawl, you time it perfect.
eddie bravo
It's a technique.
brendan schaub
It's just like a takedown.
joe rogan
Was that the biggest problem of Ronda?
Her game was all upper body.
brendan schaub
But her guard is amazing.
eddie bravo
Her guard's amazing.
Just like in that fight with Sergio Mirai, he was on his back, hurt, and his opponent wouldn't get on top of him.
joe rogan
Let's pay attention to this, because some shit is happening here.
Golovkin cracked him.
We're still going to be able to watch the Rockhold fight, too.
Ooh, so exciting.
Yeah, it's only 8.30.
This fight's nuts, man.
unidentified
He's really impressive off the ropes too.
joe rogan
Golovkin?
jim norton
No, Alvarez.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, he's impressive everywhere.
They both are.
I mean, these are two legit world champions.
That's why this is so exciting.
jim norton
I haven't seen Golovkin on the ropes much at all this fight.
joe rogan
No, because he's been taking it, too, Canelo.
And that's his style.
And that's what's so interesting about this setup, is that everybody knew that Canelo's a really good counterpuncher.
I just got real good timing.
eddie bravo
He just seems a bit too small.
joe rogan
Canelo?
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
There's a size difference, man.
joe rogan
There's definitely a size difference, but he's thick.
You know, I just think, frame-wise, I think you're right.
But I think the money is where he's at, you know?
I mean, I think this fight is a big, big money fight.
I don't know how many good fights there are for him at 54, what big names there are.
I think he struggles to make that weight, too.
eddie bravo
Who, Globgen?
joe rogan
No, Canelo.
I think he struggles even to make 60. And this is at what?
This is 60. I think 154 is a real struggle for him.
Because Mayweather got him down to 152. Mayweather's so smart.
Lose a little bit more weight.
We'll talk.
A little more weight.
Just a little more weight.
And the thing about Conor, like what he did to Conor is very smart too.
Which was just make him fight, make him work, get him tired, and then start putting it to him.
Just start piling it up, wearing him out, piling it up, wearing him out.
jim norton
Yeah, when you saw Mayweather unloading, you're like, oh yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's fucking Floyd Mayweather.
He's one of, if not the best boxer ever.
And Conor did catch him with a couple things.
Ooh, look at that jab.
Son...
Oh no.
HBO paper you went blank for a second there.
They all panicked.
Can you imagine?
Let's see.
What do you think here?
eddie bravo
He's definitely losing the rounds, but he is fighting back.
He's putting up a good fight.
joe rogan
So you think Canelo's losing?
eddie bravo
Oh, yeah.
jim norton
Yeah, he's got like 19 more headshots for Golovkin.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have Golovkin ahead three points, 65 to 68. But the thing is, it looks like Golovkin is trying to put him away.
He's not just content to beat him.
He's putting massive pressure on him here.
You know, I mean, and you saw Canelo take a big deep breath.
And as we get into the 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, Canelo fades a little.
He fades a little.
He throws hard power shots.
And I know he keeps working hard on his conditioning and he works harder than anybody, but it's just that style is exhausting.
jim norton
Well, plus Golovkin wants to put him away because he hears people talking about his age too.
I mean, you know, everyone's saying, does he have it anymore?
Is he slowing down?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the consensus.
Oh, good shots to the body.
Good shots to the body by Canelo.
He might have hurt him again.
He might have hurt him again to the body.
Golovkin's not firing at him, see?
Ooh!
eddie bravo
He's catching his breath.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got ripped to the body, dude.
eddie bravo
Another one right there.
joe rogan
Dude.
This is such a good fight!
This fight, if every boxing match was like this, boxing would be huge.
The thing that's genius about Mayweather is he managed to never be in one of these.
jim norton
Yeah, he really did avoid everything.
joe rogan
He avoided all of it.
He never got beat up.
He only got hit clean like seven times, eight times his whole career.
eddie bravo
And he's made the most money.
joe rogan
Made way more than anybody else combined.
eddie bravo
Like double or triple at least, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's for sure the number one moneymaker ever.
jim norton
Oh, without a doubt, yeah.
Didn't this put him into a billionaire category?
joe rogan
In the neighborhood, you know, who knows exactly what the deal is, but, dude, they got 6.25-something million pay-per-views.
That's insane.
eddie bravo
I wonder what he's saving up for.
I wonder what he wants that he doesn't quite have enough money.
unidentified
He's just balling.
joe rogan
He's balling out of control.
jim norton
Doesn't he owe taxes, too?
I think he owes money, too.
joe rogan
He owed a little bit before this fight, but...
brendan schaub
He might buy a basketball team or something.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that uppercut.
The big thing is him not going too crazy and spending it all and blowing it all.
brendan schaub
He's smart.
He doesn't seem like a dude.
jim norton
I think they have one more fight.
eddie bravo
I mean, he does buy mansions and shit and all sorts of Rolls Royces, but...
joe rogan
Well, you know, when he got...
brendan schaub
Quality cars.
joe rogan
He was, like, way deep in the tax.
Oh, he got caught with an uppercut.
Nice uppercut by Canelo.
He was definitely like in big tax trouble before we got bailed out with a fight in the past.
jim norton
You think they rematch?
I think they rematch.
joe rogan
They should.
Why not?
I think Conor would have to beat somebody good in a boxing match.
And he would also have to have a real training camp.
eddie bravo
I think boxing's over for Conor.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't think so.
jim norton
There's one more fight like that?
Because people will buy it now, because Conor went to the 10th round, he got fatigued.
There's still a motive for people to buy it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, look, he went the very first fight against the greatest ever.
eddie bravo
There's so many big fights in MMA. You're right.
brendan schaub
There's so many fights.
joe rogan
You're right.
There's that too.
But the thing is, if there's a legit big fight, like say if Canelo Alvarez steps up and says that he wants to fight Conor McGregor...
eddie bravo
I don't think Conor will do it.
joe rogan
He might.
eddie bravo
It wouldn't be a smart move.
I think Conor maybe realized you gotta specialize.
You can't do both.
joe rogan
Especially the difference between Canelo and Floyd.
Floyd was just a brilliant boxer.
Canelo's a murderous puncher and he'll fuck you up.
He'll hurt you.
jim norton
There's also a promotional difference too.
Conor and Floyd are pretty much, they're very similar guys and they both understood what they were doing promotion wise.
I don't know if Canelo is that guy.
joe rogan
Well, he's not going to promote it that way, but he's got...
Oh, look at that uppercut.
That shit's genius.
He's got the support of the American people.
eddie bravo
What about Glovkin versus McGregor?
joe rogan
Ooh, look at that uppercut.
jim norton
He would do it.
I don't know if McGregor would take that fight.
joe rogan
No, that's not a good fight for him, either.
Neither Canelo or Golovkin's a good fight for him.
It's a terrible fight for him.
Those guys are different.
They're this, you know?
Like, look at the way these guys fight.
Especially, this is how Golovkin fights every fight.
I bring big drama show!
That's what he calls it.
Dude.
I mean, this is one of those fights we're going to be looking back on someday.
Look at those shots of the body by Canelo.
This is one of those fights that we're going to look back on and go, you remember when we watched that fucking fight?
Holy shit.
He just shook his head on him.
Golovkin's putting tremendous pressure on him.
He's trying to break him.
jim norton
Yeah, he's keeping him against the ropes for 80% of the fight.
joe rogan
It's not just that.
It's the pace that he's fighting at.
He's trying to make him wither.
He sees something.
jim norton
You think he sees him fading?
joe rogan
Yeah, he sees him trying to catch some breaks.
He's still super dangerous, but Golovkin catches...
He's seeing Canelo trying to catch his breath.
jim norton
Yeah, he was splayed out on the seat in between rounds.
His feet were all out.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, if I know this, and I don't know that much about boxing, I know that Canelo has what people think of as an endurance problem.
And it's not, you know, it's not a big mystery.
He just kind of fades a little bit.
Ooh, he just got tagged.
He just got tagged.
He might get fu- Oh my god!
He comes back with a big right hand!
It's not that he doesn't work hard.
It's just that his style is just so explosive and he's got so much muscle that he carries around.
That style requires you to be in fucking sensational shape.
jim norton
Does it mean anything that he's a counter puncher because they're always getting hit first so you gotta take a little bit more too?
joe rogan
No, not necessarily.
His defense is outstanding.
Look at that.
Look how good he ducked under that right hand.
His defense is amazing.
It's just like he's never been hit like this before.
And not with a guy like Golovkin who's just putting it to him.
He's been hit by a guy like Floyd who just caught him with good, clean scoring shots, snapped his head back a couple of times, but nothing like this.
jim norton
Not like a mule kicking you in the face.
joe rogan
This is a different thing because Golovkin is trying to break him.
He's not just trying to win.
He's putting himself in danger.
He's putting himself in danger to prove that he's the best.
And that's a different thing.
That's a different kind of person.
He's not making the kind of money that these guys are making.
He's hungry as fuck.
See that uppercut?
Ooh, baby!
And again, he's not making the kind of superstar money that he just saw Conor and Floyd make.
And the only way that he can make it is to bring big drama show.
And so he's just coming for death.
brendan schaub
What's he getting for this fight?
joe rogan
Who knows?
I think it's probably depending upon the pay-per-view sales.
jim norton
Yeah, I literally have no scale for what these guys make.
I have no clue.
brendan schaub
A million?
He's got to make at least a couple million.
joe rogan
Canelo works millions.
Canelo is a superstar.
He's going to sell...
I mean, he would sell fucking a million pay-per-views if he was fighting an Uber driver.
And I'm not joking.
unidentified
Ooh!
jim norton
So he's a bigger draw than Golovkin.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Canelo's getting five, GGG is getting three.
brendan schaub
Nice.
jim norton
That's amazing, he's getting two million more?
joe rogan
No.
If you know how famous he is, it makes sense.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's huge.
Like, that guy goes, Viva Mexico, and the fucking roof almost falls off.
I'll tell you what, man.
Mexicans and Irish.
They make you reconsider the idea of patriotism.
jim norton
Very, very proud people.
joe rogan
Like, when you hear the Irish people that were in town in Vegas when Conor was fighting, you ever see that video of Mandalay Bay?
The whole Mandalay Bay, which the fight wasn't even there, okay?
The whole Mandalay Bay filled, I mean, to where you couldn't walk with Irish people, and they're all singing together.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was insane.
And that wasn't even where the fight was being held.
jim norton
We saw them at the garden outside in November.
It was fucking...
I was with Matt Serra.
It was freezing outside.
These maniacs have short-sleeved shirts and tank tops.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, didn't we walk to the garden together?
jim norton
We walked there, too.
Leaving the garden, it was freezing that night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim norton
That's right.
There was protests in front of Trump's apartment.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
How fun was that?
jim norton
It was awesome.
joe rogan
We had a walk.
Little Jimmy, me, and Cam.
And weren't you there?
Young Jamie was there.
jim norton
Was Tony there, too?
joe rogan
Brendan, mischief maker, was there.
Look at that.
unidentified
Oof. Oof.
joe rogan
Oof.
God damn, look at that left to the body and that right over the top.
Holy shit, what a fight this is.
But we had to walk because there were so many people protesting Trump.
Oh, he stunned him!
jim norton
Who got hurt?
joe rogan
Golovkin got hurt.
He stumbled.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Canelo hit him with something.
Oh, look at that jab!
Oh my goodness!
jim norton
He caught him again.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is a fight.
eddie bravo
This fire's back.
joe rogan
This is a fucking fight.
And this is the 10th round, kids.
Oh my god, this is amazing.
eddie bravo
And the ref hardly ever has to pull them apart.
joe rogan
Oh my god, no.
These guys are going for blood.
Golovkin is a fucking savage, man.
Savage.
He's got like 82% Genghis Khan blood.
Right?
If you had a guess.
jim norton
You're right.
The ref is a good point.
The ref is not stepping in that much.
joe rogan
He hasn't had a chance.
He has no need to.
This is a war.
Especially the way Golovkin fights, man.
What a pace he puts on you.
You just don't get a chance to breathe.
He's just on you.
Like he stays in a phone booth no matter what.
And there's no breaks.
He pops a jab.
You step back.
You're right back on you.
Look at this.
He's just right back on him, constantly.
Look at this pressure, right hand.
You gotta understand how terrifying this is when you're fighting a guy like this.
That doesn't get tired, continues to push on you, and that's why Canelo has to take some breaks.
jim norton
Yeah, then you start just trying to get out of his way.
joe rogan
He doesn't really want to be up against the ropes like this.
He has to fight like this.
He really doesn't have the energy to just meet him in the center and go kablooey at each other.
So Golovkin's pressure and constant forward movement, that's a big factor here.
He's controlling where this fight takes place.
eddie bravo
That's another weapon.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ring generalship.
He's completely controlling where the fight takes place.
And he's showing much more desire to win.
He's trying to stop Canelo.
Canelo's trying to catch Golovkin as he's trying to stop him.
There's two very different things happening here.
Doesn't mean that Canelo can't still put the lights out on him, but what's way more impressive is what Golovkin's doing.
He's just swarming them, man.
And see, Canelo grabs him after that.
See that?
jim norton
That's right.
joe rogan
He throws that shot and then he grabs him.
It's because he's wilting.
See how his legs just give out there?
Dude, he's wilting.
jim norton
He is.
joe rogan
He's getting fucked up.
He can still come back hard because he's a fucking animal and he's a world champion, but the bottom line is he's starting to fade.
We're in the 10th round.
This shit's getting weird.
Look at that.
He's still got some good head movement, though, I'll tell you that.
That was nice.
eddie bravo
The cardio is incredible.
joe rogan
Tremendous fight.
Incredible.
jim norton
Tremendous.
joe rogan
Golovkin's cardio...
Well, Golovkin's another Big Bear guy.
eddie bravo
Is he?
joe rogan
Yes, he is.
jim norton
What's a Big Bear guy?
joe rogan
Goes to Big Bear to train.
Same as El Cocuy.
brendan schaub
Tony's a savage dude.
eddie bravo
I've watched that guy train for six hours straight, dude.
joe rogan
Tony Ferguson.
eddie bravo
His cardio is fucking through the roof, man.
joe rogan
Through the roof.
He's an animal.
brendan schaub
You should see the shit we're doing up there.
eddie bravo
Crazy, crazy shit.
joe rogan
Don't you love Big Bear, man?
Isn't it peaceful up there?
eddie bravo
It's cool.
jim norton
What do you do up there?
Just run?
joe rogan
You work out there at a very high altitude.
Low oxygen content in the air.
They say, Eddie, honestly, the best thing to do is not to train up there.
They say the best thing to do is to live up there and to train, like, down.
Like, to go down to, like, sea level.
Like, drive an hour.
Go down to sea level.
Train there and then go do everything else up top because your body will adapt because the altitude, especially when you're sleeping up there, but you'll have more work output.
You'll get more work in with your body at sea level.
What do I know?
I'm not a scientist, son.
brendan schaub
Dude, Tony don't need more work, dude.
Tony goes forever.
joe rogan
No, I'm sure, but I mean, he could be even better is what I'm saying.
I just think that that's what the science is.
I mean, it doesn't mean anything.
Tony's obviously adapted to Big Bear well.
brendan schaub
Fuck.
joe rogan
That's such a good fight, man.
Such a good fight.
eddie bravo
Kevin Lee?
joe rogan
Yeah, such a good fight.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, it's gonna be great.
eddie bravo
Kevin Lee is a serious threat, you know?
brendan schaub
Tony's not taking him lightly.
joe rogan
Very serious threat.
They're both very serious threats.
brendan schaub
But if you look at their opponents, Tony's been through some, you know, he fucked up Edson Barbosa, Josh Thompson, Rafael Dos Anjos.
eddie bravo
Those are big names, big, giant fights.
joe rogan
The Dos Anjos one was very fucking impressive.
Very impressive.
That was an incredibly impressive fight.
And then the other one that was really impressive to me was the Barbosa fight, because Barbosa's stand-up is top of the food chain.
And Tony was cracking him and then finished him in a crazy bloody darse.
Wasn't that all bloody and everything on that darse?
eddie bravo
Yep.
Yep.
And Edson Barbosa is considered probably top three most dangerous strikers in the UFC. Oh, yeah.
That guy will light you up with wheel kicks, head kicks.
unidentified
Everything.
brendan schaub
He's so fast.
eddie bravo
He's so powerful.
joe rogan
He has the first wheel kick KO in the UFC. You know, in the highlight, you could see Ari Shafir in the background going like this.
As he gets hit and cracked, he hits Terry Edom with this crazy wheel kick.
It was the first wheel kick KO in the UFC, and it was the perfect one.
jim norton
Why did Aldo stop?
It seemed like Aldo, and I noticed it in the Frankie Edgar fight, really stopped kicking or throws a lot less.
Does he hurt?
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Good question.
It's a very good question.
It could be because he's got injuries that don't allow him to kick anymore.
It could be that it's easier for guys to take him down when he kicks.
You'd have to talk to him.
I'd like to talk to him.
But he didn't use it very much on Max Holloway, but if you go back to the Uriah Faber fight, it was like his biggest weapon.
jim norton
Yeah, but I noticed against Frank Yegum, he's not throwing a lot of kicks, and I wondered why.
joe rogan
I thought Frankie was probably trying to time those kicks in the rematch.
That made total sense to me.
What didn't make sense is how he didn't use them that much against Max.
But, you know, Max is a motherfucker, man.
jim norton
Well, he's saying he wants to box now with Jose Aldo.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard that, but that doesn't take away from the fact that in an MMA fight, his kicks are one of the most deadly weapons in the sport.
In his prime, man, he was so fucking good.
But like everyone, it's just like they reach a time.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Golovkin caught him with a right hand!
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
This is a crazy, crazy fight, man.
Like, you usually don't get these fights.
jim norton
96-95 Golovkin power punches landed.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
jim norton
These guys are just battering each other.
joe rogan
Oh, the good left hook, too.
You know, Golovkin, I mean Canelo rather, is absolutely a champion and that's the reason why he keeps firing back and he won't wilt.
And he keeps using good head movement, but there's no doubt about Golovkin's putting it on him.
jim norton
One more round.
unidentified
So exciting, and then we get to go to see David Branch and Luke Rockhold.
joe rogan
How are we so lucky?
Look at this, some Jesus shit going on.
jim norton
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
That's gotta be a relative.
joe rogan
Who is that?
unidentified
Is that Canelo's mom or something?
joe rogan
She was like, this is, got that moment, come to Jesus moment.
Um, Del Sanjos looks so much better at 170, doesn't he?
eddie bravo
I missed that fight, but he did get an arm trying.
I saw the finish.
joe rogan
Put the smash on Neil Magny.
Put the smash on.
unidentified
That's a big win.
jim norton
You want to talk about how big his legs looked?
eddie bravo
That's a big win.
unidentified
Giant.
jim norton
He just looked massive.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's filled in.
This is what his body's supposed to look like.
He was starving himself.
Terrible idea.
I mean, he was a beast at 155. I mean, he was smashing guys and running them over, but he got to a point where he really could not make the weight anymore.
I mean, he was in real bad shape when he made the weight for Eddie Alvarez.
He's thick, man.
He's a thick dude.
And at 170, I mean, he's a fucking animal.
He kicked Neil Magny's legs out from under him, and then he got on top of him and just put the smush on him.
It was just so high level.
eddie bravo
How did he get him down?
joe rogan
He got him down with a kick.
Kicked his fucking leg out from under him.
eddie bravo
And then jumped on him?
joe rogan
Yeah, just jumped on him.
Dude, it was a beating.
eddie bravo
Maybe Canelo's going for it.
jim norton
He has to know he needs a knockout.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got to know.
12th round.
Ooh, behind the ear in the clinch.
unidentified
Ooh, look at that uppercut.
joe rogan
In the clinch, pulling the head down.
Going MMA on him.
That jab of fucking Golovkin.
So slick.
unidentified
Ooh, Canelo!
joe rogan
Canelo with the bottom!
Oh, shit!
Oh, Canelo with the combo!
Golovkin caught him with a left hook.
Goddamn Golovkin has a chin, man.
Let me tell you that.
An unbelievable chin.
I mean, he took some- Oh shit!
Oh shit!
Oh shit!
What a crazy fight!
jim norton
This is amazing.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is amazing!
Oh, and Canelo landed a right hand!
unidentified
This is a crazy fight!
joe rogan
Holy shit!
jim norton
Look at that jab.
Popped right out of the jab.
joe rogan
And the right hand real tight in the clinch.
Constant pressure, a minute thirty to go.
Does he take over?
Does he take over?
Does Canelo have enough to sustain?
Arms down.
Swinging and missing.
Trying to catch some blood in there.
Throwing some punches that just don't have the steam on him anymore.
And Golovkin...
jim norton
And Golovkin has to know he's ahead and he's still coming after him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a fucking spider, dude.
He's like a spider trying to suck the blood out of a fly.
Just on you.
Like, almost like...
Just so predator-like.
Just constantly.
Look, he's not backing off.
He's not boxing.
This is not a boxing match.
He's trying to fuck him up.
That's the Golovkin style that makes him so exciting, man.
That's why Mexican fighters love him.
jim norton
They do, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Mexican fight fans are big Triple G fans.
To the point where his last fight he goes, Ah, muchos gracias!
He knows, man, because he fights like a world-class, top-of-the-food-chain Mexican boxer in a lot of ways.
God damn, he's good.
This is fucking fantastic.
jim norton
Yeah, those are just hitting the gloves.
joe rogan
Yeah, Canelo's tired, man.
He's real tired.
There's still 20-something to go.
But he's still hanging in there, man.
That's that world champion heart.
Still swinging.
It doesn't get any better than this for boxing Especially like after the Conor McGregor Floyd Mayweather fight.
This is a fight like hey This is how it's done.
Yeah, this is the real deal I mean obviously Floyd did it how it's supposed to be done, but that wasn't two fighters on the same level.
Look at this.
unidentified
This is crazy These were That's absolutely Golovkin's fight.
jim norton
These are both great moments for boxing, though.
Mayweather McGregor and this are both really, really great for boxing.
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub, I should say this before the decision gets announced, said that if Golovkin didn't win by some ungodly, lopsided beatdown, that he could lose a decision because of corruption.
He goes, because that's how boxing rolls, and there's way more money in Canelo winning.
So that said, now that we know that...
eddie bravo
Tecate sponsor.
joe rogan
That's true.
Well, apparently the audience is like half Mexican.
He's a superstar in Mexico.
Just a superstar.
jim norton
Who are you talking about?
joe rogan
Canelo.
So let's see if Brendan Schaub predicted this correctly, because we think...
jim norton
It has to be Golovkin.
joe rogan
The unofficial scorecard guy had it for Golovkin by several rounds.
We think it was Golovkin, clearly, although Canelo fought a great fight.
brendan schaub
Have there been bad decisions?
eddie bravo
If Canelo wins, have there...
When was the last time there was a decision like that?
joe rogan
Tim Bradley, Manny Pacquiao.
eddie bravo
Who won that?
joe rogan
I believe Bradley won, but Pacquiao should have won.
And then Pacquiao came back and outboxed him.
It was worse.
It was worse, if I remember correctly.
eddie bravo
So what was the reason?
joe rogan
Boom!
Look at that.
Boom!
Oh, Jesus.
Canelo.
Oh, my goodness.
This is the last round.
jim norton
That was.
joe rogan
Canelo just tried to put it to him.
And Golovkin's like, come on, come on, come on.
I'm from Kazakhstan.
Boom!
Just boom over the top.
Goddamn.
Just war here.
jim norton
Look at that jab.
He literally just paid back every punch he took in the combination.
joe rogan
Just sharp jab, too.
His jab's so snappy.
eddie bravo
Okay, change it.
joe rogan
Give me a guess, Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
For sure, Golovkin.
joe rogan
For sure, right?
jim norton
Unless there's corruption.
unidentified
Unless there's corruption.
jim norton
He's not crazy to say that.
eddie bravo
I doubt it.
joe rogan
There could easily be corruption.
We're saying this.
Look at this.
They got it 116-112 for Golovkin.
Harold Letterman here!
Harold Letterman!
I thought Golovkin ran away with it!
jim norton
They gave 10-9 on that last fight?
I mean that last round to fucking Canelo?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what I really like?
I don't know why they did that.
I like how these girls just stand there and smile.
They're doing a really good job.
They're always smiling.
eddie bravo
It seems easy.
joe rogan
Dude, it's hard.
You gotta be frozen in that smile.
jim norton
Oh, them fucking clapping in the back.
It drives me crazy.
I hate it.
joe rogan
I love it.
I love their focus.
They're focused on not being even remotely normal.
The job, their focus, their job is to stand there in some psychotic way if they were a guy.
Like if they were a guy, if they hired a guy to stand there in a nice suit and tie and stand there like this, could you fucking imagine how crazy it would be if you hired guys to stand behind fighters with giant smiles on their face and just not, especially if they were in their underwear.
Just imagine that.
Imagine guys in a Speedo standing there like ripped, like holding a Tecate sign with a big giant smile on their face.
eddie bravo
That happens on Santa Monica Boulevard during the parades.
joe rogan
But it doesn't happen during a big fight on pay-per-view, Eddie Bravo.
You silly goose.
eddie bravo
One day when...
joe rogan
Hey, let's hear the volume.
Let's hear it.
jim norton
Is this a split decision or no?
unidentified
1-14, 1-14.
A three-way split.
This is...
joe rogan
Told you, son.
eddie bravo
Oh.
jim norton
Boy, they fucking...
unidentified
Shit.
jim norton
Boxing fucking stinks.
joe rogan
Told you, son.
unidentified
Boxing fucking stinks.
Brendan...
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub is a sage.
jim norton
He's right.
Boxing fucking stinks.
Why is he mad?
joe rogan
Because he knows.
He knows he got fucked.
He knows it's bullshit.
unidentified
Canelo got fucked?
joe rogan
Well, he's going to feel terrible now.
He knows he got his ass kicked.
jim norton
That's a draw?
joe rogan
There's no way that's a draw.
jim norton
How is that a draw?
No, it's...
unidentified
Hold on a second.
joe rogan
We're going to see it again.
brendan schaub
If he was happy, then that would mean that he thought he lost.
So the fact that he looks pissed, that's smart.
eddie bravo
He's going, I should have won.
joe rogan
This is bullshit.
No, no, no.
He knows it shouldn't have been a draw.
brendan schaub
I think he's mad because he didn't win.
jim norton
He threw 200 more punches.
joe rogan
I'm sure he's mad he didn't win, but he's definitely mad that he got out-boxed and they made it a draw.
jim norton
He landed 50 more punches.
How the fuck is that a draw?
joe rogan
Boxing stinks.
It's not even close.
eddie bravo
Look at that, though.
Power punches.
Different.
brendan schaub
There you go.
eddie bravo
That's the difference.
jim norton
Very close.
joe rogan
Maybe.
jim norton
Oh, the higher percentage.
Oh, I can't stand it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a higher number landed, too.
114 to 110 in total power punches.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a weird thing, though.
When you're looking at it numbers-wise, I mean, it's one way of looking at it.
But, like, one big shot that's a power punch and another power punch that doesn't do anything, they're both power punches.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, one shot that really fucks you up and your legs go and you get wobbly, that's a power punch.
And another power punch is a shot that lands in the same spot but doesn't do anything.
They're both power punches.
eddie bravo
What do these colors mean?
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
eddie bravo
What does the blue ear mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Look at the number of punches that landed on Canelo's face.
109 on his right side and 95 on his left.
210 landed to 127. Yeah, big difference in how many landed to the head.
Golovkin landed way more.
Wait a minute, it said only four shots were landed to Canelo's body?
That doesn't make any sense.
Is that really what it said?
eddie bravo
Let's see what he says.
joe rogan
Let's hear this.
eddie bravo
Until tonight.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
What happened tonight?
unidentified
You know, today, really, big Mexican day.
eddie bravo
Congratulations to all my friends from Mexico.
joe rogan
Good move.
Go right to the Mexican fans.
Fucking smart move.
unidentified
...able to neutralize you, especially early in the fight, and then have success late when it looked like you had started to build a lead.
You know, he has good experiences.
joe rogan
We probably can't play this without getting yanked off of YouTube, so we're gonna go to the...
jim norton
By the way, how...
First of all, I didn't think that last fight was...
I mean, that last round was 10-9 Canelo.
joe rogan
No.
jim norton
How is he not fucking angry about this?
I mean, why am I angry about it?
He's getting shit.
joe rogan
Big drama show.
unidentified
219, if you understand.
eddie bravo
He retains his belt, so nothing really changes for him, and he gets all that money.
jim norton
Now that your record...
eddie bravo
And then the rematch is gonna be insane.
jim norton
The rematch will be insane, but...
eddie bravo
Oh, he's thinking about those dollars.
jim norton
Like...
joe rogan
219. Good job by Brendan, man.
jim norton
Fucking good call.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He nailed it.
jim norton
The fighters were amazing, but the organization, it just stinks.
joe rogan
Brendan nailed it.
eddie bravo
Can you hear this?
Are you guys hearing this?
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
What am I hearing?
eddie bravo
What he thought.
unidentified
Coming out on TV. You know, I don't want to hear it.
jim norton
If he's not saying, I got really lucky that they gave me that draw, I don't want to hear what he's saying.
If he thinks he won, he's stupid.
joe rogan
Still, that was a great fight.
jim norton
Amazing.
joe rogan
I love it.
I don't, you know, I mean, I do care, but I don't care.
I do care that I think that, I thought that Golovkin won, but...
I don't care.
It's a great fight.
I like seeing great fights.
Decisions mean less to me as I get older because I look at it and like, okay, what am I doing?
I'm basing, like, how I feel about something based on an inaccurate assessment by people that don't necessarily know what they're doing.
Like, would I take advice on whether or not an episode of Game of Thrones is good from three people I thought were knuckleheads?
Like, what if there's like three judges for TV shows?
Like, well, the Game of Thrones finale, you know, I gave it a 100. You know, let's go to these judges.
Nope, we decided it gets a 40. No fucking way!
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you go to school the next day, like, dude, you hear?
Fucking Game of Thrones final got a 40?
Bro, we lost!
eddie bravo
It got a little ridiculous at the end.
joe rogan
Shut your mouth.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
jim norton
I thought this last season was the best one.
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
Let me just ask you a couple of questions.
jim norton
I loved it.
eddie bravo
Remember when they first escaped the White Walkers?
Didn't the water have something to do with it?
Like they got on a boat?
And for some reason, they can't get in water, right?
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Right?
eddie bravo
They're ice.
joe rogan
Are you spoiler alert in the fuckhouse?
brendan schaub
No, no, I'm just saying.
joe rogan
You're in a spoiler alert.
eddie bravo
Something about the water, they can't hang in.
joe rogan
There was a few holes in the plot.
eddie bravo
And now, who the fuck tied those chains around that dragon and dragged it up?
Who went scuba diving and tied that dragon up and dragged it up?
You probably have to assume Are they that strong?
brendan schaub
They're not that strong because those dudes are fucking them up.
eddie bravo
They're not that strong.
Who's carrying those gigantic chains down there, underwater, tie up the dragon, and drag it up?
unidentified
Who's doing that?
They did.
jim norton
Well, they're all dead, so they probably don't give a shit about the cold water.
joe rogan
They couldn't go through the water.
eddie bravo
They can't get into water.
joe rogan
He's right.
jim norton
So how do they do it?
joe rogan
That's a big hole right there.
eddie bravo
I'll accept the dragon.
brendan schaub
I'll accept it.
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
eddie bravo
The dragon I can accept.
joe rogan
That's a very legitimate point.
jim norton
What happens when they hit the water though?
I don't remember.
eddie bravo
They don't like water.
jim norton
But they don't like it.
Who knows?
joe rogan
It's supposed to keep them from getting to ships.
So islands.
I can keep them from going to an island.
That's why these other guys are like, fuck this, I'm going to an island.
I'm going to wait on the Iron Island, right?
jim norton
Is it possible they just lowered the things down?
brendan schaub
Andy Bravo nailed it.
eddie bravo
They cannot get into water for some reason.
brendan schaub
They established that several times.
eddie bravo
And then all of a sudden, they cut.
They don't show how they tied this goddamn dragon up with a chain.
It's like one of those chains that you hold Navy ships to port, you know?
And who tied them up?
They just cut to them dragging them out.
jim norton
Watching that dragon get pulled out, I can suspend a little.
I can live with the inconsistency of the dead people dragging the dragon out of the ice water.
I can live with the inconsistency.
joe rogan
I can live with that, but I'm with him.
I didn't even notice that when I was watching the show.
jim norton
I didn't either.
joe rogan
That they went in the water.
eddie bravo
And I love Game of Thrones, man.
I haven't missed shit.
joe rogan
They fucked up.
brendan schaub
That just got me.
joe rogan
They fucked up.
Yeah, they fucked up.
It's a big hole.
You're right.
eddie bravo
Maybe like in the last episodes they'll show how the fuck they tied that dragon up and dragged it up.
joe rogan
Or maybe it's just a big ass stupid hole.
jim norton
Yeah.
And did anyone catch it?
eddie bravo
And you know what?
joe rogan
You know what else?
jim norton
Did they say, fuck it, let's do it anyway?
eddie bravo
You know what bothers me?
joe rogan
What?
eddie bravo
We're led to believe that these different kingdoms like King's Landing and all that are like countries away.
But man, they are traveling too damn quick.
They get from one city to the next city, they're at the wall, and then they meet.
joe rogan
And then they're in the snow, and then they're in the Bahamas.
eddie bravo
And then they're walking over mountains.
Like, dude, this can take months.
brendan schaub
It's almost like that whole kingdom is like...
eddie bravo
Redondo Beach, West Hollywood, North Hollywood, Compton.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It takes 20 minutes.
joe rogan
This fight is Mike Perry.
It was supposed to be Mike Perry versus Tiago Alves.
jim norton
He couldn't get out of Florida, right?
Isn't that what he said?
He couldn't get out of Florida, Alves?
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
jim norton
Yeah.
He was stuck in Florida, and Mike Perry said, we came up early, so I don't want to hear that shit.
joe rogan
Is that really what happened?
jim norton
I believe so, yeah.
joe rogan
That's terrible.
brendan schaub
Do you ever think, like, when they show the armies walking through, like, fucking no man's land, like, who's carrying the fucking food?
eddie bravo
And where's the water at?
joe rogan
Hey, bro, you're fucking my high up.
eddie bravo
When are they taking shits?
I always think that.
I'm like, who are these motherfuckers taking shits?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
Like, what kind of sewage system do they have?
brendan schaub
How bad is their breath?
eddie bravo
They're just walking across deserts and shit.
joe rogan
And not shitting.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
In ancient Rome...
eddie bravo
There should be dudes taking pisses in every scene in the background.
joe rogan
There was a big issue in ancient Rome.
Like, people got diseases because they would shit in the streets.
brendan schaub
Let's talk about that.
Let's bring that in.
eddie bravo
Make it more realistic.
I need to see more shit.
joe rogan
You're right, man.
eddie bravo
Or food.
Like, come on.
Explain how these fuckers are eating.
jim norton
I'd love to see Khaleesi dropping a deuce off the side of that fucking castle.
How great would that be?
eddie bravo
Dude, that'd be great.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Maybe she's the queen of dragons.
eddie bravo
And those shots, I don't know.
Those tight shots where they show Khaleesi on the dragon.
jim norton
I don't care for that.
eddie bravo
Remember the Superman TV show?
joe rogan
Dude, she's the mother of dragons.
You don't think she knows how to ride a dragon?
eddie bravo
And her hair's barely going and she's barely holding on.
joe rogan
That's like somebody watching you in a jiu-jitsu match.
Like, oh, come on, man.
He strangled that guy with his legs.
unidentified
We gotta have a couple guys falling off the dragons every now and then.
eddie bravo
She gotta fall off the dragon every now and then.
joe rogan
Didn't someone almost fall off the dragon?
Oh, no, that was the Harry Potter ride.
eddie bravo
She gotta fall off.
She's gotta fall off once or twice.
Come on, man.
She's just like barely gripping the dragon.
jim norton
I do hate those shots.
When they go to her riding the dragon, it drives me nuts.
eddie bravo
It's like some John Wayne shit.
joe rogan
You guys are both gay for each other.
Because I thought that was the most awesome thing ever.
eddie bravo
I love the show.
Don't get me wrong.
I love it.
I love it.
joe rogan
When she was riding that dragon, I was standing up cheering.
jim norton
Because it looks green screen.
The dragons look better without eyes.
eddie bravo
Isn't it kind of weird that all the rulers are women?
joe rogan
Some feminist shit.
We're all full of murder.
Just keep that murder coming.
I'm happy.
Look at it.
She looks perfect there.
Look how fake that looks.
eddie bravo
Dude, come on, man.
Yeah, it's terrible.
joe rogan
Holding out of that dragon.
Do you know how many spikes would be inside of her pussy right there?
Yeah.
Her cape should be flapping more.
Is there like a saddle?
Where is it safe to stick your box?
You're gonna ride that thing?
jim norton
She's between spikes.
joe rogan
She's between them.
But look at the spikes.
Look at the size of the spikes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look how gross they are and scary and pointy.
jim norton
Probably disease covered.
joe rogan
And somehow or another, oh yeah.
eddie bravo
Her grip strength must be incredible.
They never show her training.
Insane.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
Dude, her grip strength's out of this world.
eddie bravo
She should have like a rock climbing wall in her castle.
joe rogan
Maybe she takes one of those spikes and she puts it down in her pussy and just clamps a hold of it.
jim norton
Does Kegels the whole time?
joe rogan
She just has a spot that she can lock in.
Like a ball and socket joint.
Is this another really bad one?
eddie bravo
The dragon's way bigger than that!
joe rogan
Yeah, the dragon's way bigger.
eddie bravo
Isn't the dragon way bigger than that?
jim norton
I hate the way she's holding on.
And you're right, her whole body's on spikes.
eddie bravo
That isn't right.
When they show the dragon, sometimes it looks tremendous.
It's huge!
joe rogan
That might be an older episode, though.
eddie bravo
That looks like a moray eel, right there.
jim norton
That might be smaller, though.
That might be younger.
joe rogan
Oh, that might have been earlier days.
eddie bravo
Oh, you're right.
You're right, you're right.
There was a baby.
You're right.
Okay, I'm wrong.
joe rogan
She used it to kill a bunch of people, man.
Some people in some of the last episodes.
jim norton
Didn't she get out of the chain?
joe rogan
Look how big it was there.
Oh my god, that's a full-grown dragon.
eddie bravo
Okay, I get it.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Look at that thing!
Dude, that's badass.
jim norton
The movement of the dragon is amazing.
And you know what?
eddie bravo
I will say this.
I know that motherfucker's CGI, but when that White Walker threw that spear, I was like, when it missed the first time, I'm like, full kill!
joe rogan
I know.
eddie bravo
I feel like it's alive.
joe rogan
Lee versus Ferguson.
eddie bravo
They got me with the dragon.
I believe it.
joe rogan
They're going to try to do Johnson versus Borg again?
jim norton
It was a virus though, right?
That kept him out?
joe rogan
He's missed weight a lot.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
He's missed weight a lot.
Ray Borg has missed weight several times.
And I don't know if he got sick while he was cutting weight, if other people were around him.
But it's just, you know, boy, that's a big opportunity to get sick for.
And it can happen for sure, but oof.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guess they have to do it again.
They already trained for it.
jamie vernon
One of the judges gave it 118 to 110 for Canelo.
jim norton
Adlai Bird?
joe rogan
Adlai Bird did that?
eddie bravo
Think about her record in the UFC. Terrible.
jim norton
118 to 110 for Canelo.
eddie bravo
Adlai Bird?
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
eddie bravo
Is that a woman or a man?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's a woman.
She's a very nice lady.
jim norton
Wow, is that fucking bad.
eddie bravo
She's gonna get torched for that, no?
jim norton
That's terrible.
joe rogan
I hope she stays offline.
jim norton
But they have no accountability.
It doesn't matter.
Nothing happens to them.
They just keep right on being fucking horrible.
That's terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not good.
jim norton
I better piss.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
There was one woman who got...
She got in serious trouble for several really bad decisions, and she wound up retiring.
Because it was like people were threatening her life.
Mike Perry's a bad motherfucker.
He's scary.
It's hard.
See that Jake Allenberger fight?
eddie bravo
I don't know, a casino owner or whoever is running the gambling, the guy at the top, if he wanted to...
Rig it?
If he wanted to rig it, how would you do it?
Go after the judges or the fighters?
unidentified
I got your explanation, too.
joe rogan
What explanation?
unidentified
For the Game of Thrones thing.
eddie bravo
Okay.
jamie vernon
Multiple tweets have come that said that they can't swim, but they can go in water.
They just sink to the bottom.
joe rogan
Oh, so they sacrificed them.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
But who's carrying those chains?
They're not strong enough to carry those chains.
Those chains were gigantic.
unidentified
They just sink them.
joe rogan
I don't know.
They get hundreds of them.
eddie bravo
Oh, so they can't swim, they just sink.
joe rogan
But wait a minute, they drag the dragon out.
If they're strong enough to drag the dragon out, why aren't they strong enough to take the chains in?
eddie bravo
Dude, a lot of holes in there.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
Less holes now.
jamie vernon
Or whoever put them down there is still down there.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
They just sacrifice them, let them stay at the bottom of the water.
They can't get out.
That doesn't make sense.
eddie bravo
So they're just walking around, chaining them up?
joe rogan
No, you're right.
Why can't they just walk out?
unidentified
Why don't they just walk out?
eddie bravo
You know how hard it would be to chain them up?
Even if you had cranes and all this shit, to chain that thing up, you'd have to have James Cameron down there with that little submarine trying to scope it out for a while.
You know what I mean?
Try to bring that shit up like the Titanic.
joe rogan
Keith Peterson, another excellent referee.
eddie bravo
That would be way harder than the Titanic.
A dead body?
joe rogan
No, it wouldn't be harder than the Titanic.
Titanic's like miles deep into the water.
jim norton
Is that like 13,000 feet down?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy how deep it is.
eddie bravo
But it's steel and has shit to hook on.
You could just hook it up.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Ooh.
jim norton
Does his hair usually look like that?
joe rogan
No, he's going Jersey Shore for this fight.
He's a ruthless guy, though.
Super powerful fucking knockout artist.
Very dangerous.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
When he knocked out Ellenberger, I was like, wow.
He's just real reckless and angry.
Alan Joban handled him, though.
Joban did a really good job fighting smart.
I think that's his loss.
jim norton
I think he's 10-1.
joe rogan
I think that's his loss, but that's a good fight for him.
Joe Band fought a technical fight and beat him.
For a guy like Mike Perry, who's a super dangerous up-and-coming dude, that's a good fight for him.
Learned something.
Got a leg kick there.
As long as they just learn, as long as fighters don't get discouraged, fights like that are always good for them.
Because then you just realize there's a higher level.
And the only way to reach that higher level is you've got to see it.
eddie bravo
Is this a pre-rim or is this live?
joe rogan
Oh, this is live.
jim norton
This is the co-main, isn't it?
eddie bravo
This is the co-main?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kid's fucking ferocious, man.
Look at that knee to the head.
Look at this fucking fighting him off so good.
brendan schaub
Good Muay Thai right there.
joe rogan
Hey, good Muay Thai, good clinching, but most importantly, just relentless attack.
Look at him.
Boom!
That elbow on the clutch.
Boom!
There's a knee!
jim norton
That's it!
joe rogan
That's it!
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
Is that what he does?
joe rogan
Ruthless.
He's a ruthless motherfucker.
That guy is relentless.
And it's just like all attack.
It's all attack.
All full bore.
All out.
Just trying to smash you all the way.
The guy that's going to beat him is a guy like Joban, who's going to fight a very smart...
Technical stand-up fight.
Like, Joe Band did a lot of footwork, a lot of movement, but he also made him pay.
He made sure that, like, when he comes charging out, I'm like, you're not gonna get away with that.
Like, boom!
We would catch him with some stuff, and he realized, like, ooh, this guy can hurt me.
It was enough for, you know, him to keep Perry off him.
Look at this shit.
Elbowing tight.
That's nice.
That's nice.
Look at this.
unidentified
Doom!
joe rogan
That's it.
Limpville.
Population one.
Bam!
Hammer fist to the back of the ear.
jim norton
Did this guy have any kind of camp though?
joe rogan
No, he did not.
eddie bravo
I don't believe.
You don't see a lot of tie clinches.
joe rogan
Well, remember Anderson and Rich Franklin?
That was enough for like 10 years.
eddie bravo
Do you think it's because, because obviously it's a clinch that has a thousand levels and would need a lot of work, do you think it's because most fighters don't specifically work on developing that clinch and controlling people from that clinch in their training camps, or it's just something that's low percentage in MMA? Not a good decision.
joe rogan
It's not that it's low percentage.
There's less of a chance of getting in an MMA because you're essentially allowing a guy to get double underhooks on you.
I mean, if you think about what you're doing when you're clenching someone's head.
Anderson was so good at it, man.
He had such a tight squeeze.
And it's like anything else.
You know how some people just have a sick gable grip?
Some people just have a sick squeeze?
Well, there's levels.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
Developing an R fighter, spending time developing.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
In Thailand, they drill with that.
unidentified
In Thailand, yes.
eddie bravo
No, no, in Thailand, they specialize in it.
They're working on it.
They spend time on it.
You don't see it that much in MMA. You think it's because it's low percentage?
joe rogan
Well, it's also, you're committing to this, right?
You're committing to this.
Guys are too good.
You know, you give a guy a double underhook and he's tripping you and he's on top.
People don't want that.
And it's also, guys are good at keeping their hands on the hips.
That's what Rich Franklin fucked up.
But there is a reality, though, that if the guy has, like, if you have Your hand on a guy's hips and the other guy has got you in a Thai clinch.
He can elbow you from that clinch while you're grabbing onto his hips and you're not really going to be in a good position to stop it if he's fast.
It's a very good position to be in.
If a guy is worried about your knees and he does commit one hand or maybe even two to the hips, like you catch him with a couple hard ones, a lot of guys will just switch to elbow, like right from here.
Bam!
And it's a ruthless thing.
Elbows are so nasty.
It's really kind of amazing that we cover up the knuckles, because you break your knuckles a lot.
You never break your elbow.
Fucking smash bricks with your elbow, no problem.
Nobody ever breaks their elbow fighting, unless you get kicked.
You know, but like hitting somebody, you might get like little chips.
Like Anderson had a bunch of chips in his elbow that he actually had to get removed.
Like bone chips and shit.
Stuff that snapped off on people's...
eddie bravo
Same thing with Alan Joban.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
eddie bravo
He had a serious problem with his elbow.
joe rogan
Didn't Gerald?
I think Gerald Striban had a bunch of floating around shit in his elbow too.
A lot of guys get that.
jim norton
I think he was the third choice for this too, I think.
joe rogan
Really?
jim norton
Yeah, there was one guy they had...
And he couldn't do it, and I guess...
I don't know who was second.
joe rogan
Well, you watch how fucking ferocious Perry is, you realize why Tiago didn't want to take this with no camp, or with a fucked up camp.
jim norton
What was fucked up at his camp?
joe rogan
Well, he's got to get out of Florida for the hurricane.
jim norton
That was like a week before, though.
eddie bravo
Oh, is that why he got pulled from the fight?
jim norton
They both came from Florida.
That's, I think, what...
What the reason he gave was.
Let me make sure that's right.
joe rogan
He's talking shit about Tiago right now Sent it Everybody wants to see me beat up probably a lot of Look at him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to see me beat up Robbie Lawler.
Ooh, what a crazy thing to say.
What a great fight that would be, though.
Good lord.
This is a fucking interesting one.
If he really does do that, if Tiago doesn't fight him, and then he winds up and...
Because he didn't get hurt in this fight at all.
He just swarmed him and KO'd him.
He could probably fight again in a few months.
I wonder what they're going to do.
If they're going to rematch, or remake the Tiago fight, or whether they really do give this kid Robbie O'Hara.
jim norton
How about Ponzinibbio?
joe rogan
That's a good fight.
jim norton
That's actually who I thought they were going to wind up, and then they put him with Gunnar Nelson.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I don't want to hear any of this nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yay, we're going to the game.
What do you give a fuck?
He just knocked a dude unconscious.
jim norton
He's just an enjoyable guy, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ferocious fighter.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just, like, his style is just marauding, ferocious, full attack, reckless, a lot of confidence in his ability to take a shot, a lot of confidence in ability to knock people dead, like, boom, landed that, like, that's it.
And then have one of these.
eddie bravo
A great fight would be him and Alan Joban again with the history rematch?
joe rogan
Yeah, it could be.
Doesn't Joban have a big fight coming up?
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
Why do I think Alan has a big fight coming up?
Maybe I'm making that up.
I don't think I am, though.
I think something was just announced.
I don't know.
jim norton
It's saying that Diago lost his dog and was living with his family at the gym because of the hurricane.
So maybe he did it before camp.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck all that.
Being at the gym with your family.
He's got a kid, a really young kid.
Yeah, I get it.
eddie bravo
That clinching is insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
He's a beast, man.
eddie bravo
And that's how Alan fights, too.
He's got a serious clinch, too.
joe rogan
That's the motherfucker right there!
jim norton
That's the picture on my phone.
I took my girlfriend off and put Francis Ngannou.
joe rogan
Look at his hat.
I love it.
He's like Idi Amin up in that bitch.
Here we go.
jim norton
Did they find anyone for him, by the way, or no?
After Dos Santos dropped out?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They don't know what's going to happen with Junior.
What the substance was.
They said it was a very small trace amount of a diuretic.
So it wasn't like a steroid.
But a lot of times guys use diuretics to mask steroids.
Because it flushes it out of your system quicker.
So like I say, if a guy is doing something and he wants to test negative, apparently you can flush some stuff out with diuretics.
Because it just drains all the water out of your body.
And you keep pouring more water in and it flushes things out quicker.
I think.
I don't understand how that works.
brendan schaub
So diuretics are illegal?
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what Chris Cyborg got popped for a diuretic.
But then they gave her a use exemption because she has a legitimate reason for using it, like a medical condition.
jim norton
When will they know what he took or will they never know?
joe rogan
They know what he took.
There's a process.
It has to play out.
What did they think happened?
What's the evidence?
They're very, very thorough about it.
One of the things I really appreciate about that Jeff Nowitzki is that one of the things he said about John Jones, he said, before you judge him, we have to let this process play out.
And he's right.
eddie bravo
Did it play out?
joe rogan
Not yet.
I mean, they got the B sample.
The B sample is positive as well.
But it was a lot of weird shit was going on.
Like a lot of his chiropractor was tweeting that John passed the blood test, free John.
And like, this is so irresponsible because like anybody who looked into it even for a moment would realize that they don't even test for that stuff in the blood.
They only test for that stuff in the urine.
So when they say his blood test was clear of it, it's because they didn't test for it.
It's a urine test.
So it was so disingenuous.
So then they waited, they got the B sample, they tested that, yup, same exact stuff.
So it's in there.
So the question is, now, not whether or not it was in his body, but how did it get in his body?
There's a big issue with a bunch of sports guys.
What is it?
Baseball guys?
They're getting popped with that stuff?
Brendan Shaw brought that up as well.
That apparently that stuff, T-ball, is in a ton of supplements.
You can get it in a lot of that GNC, over-the-counter, muscle-builder bullshit, all those testosterone boosters that you buy.
eddie bravo
So it may be that.
joe rogan
Could be.
But you're not supposed to take that shit.
You shouldn't take that shit.
jim norton
Especially if you have to come back off a suspension.
Like, shouldn't you be sending everything in?
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But tainted supplements are a real issue.
But obviously the thing is, don't take any fucking supplements unless they're absolutely approved and certified.
And you can get supplements that are approved and certified.
And then there could be a random bad batch.
That's totally possible.
That happened to somebody.
Supplements where a guy never really took a steroid but got popped because something was in a supplement.
That happened to Tim Means.
Tim Means took some shit from GNC. Just some normal shit that's supposed to be some stuff you could buy off the shelf.
And he tested positive, and he told everybody what he took.
They went to different stores independently, pulled that stuff off the shelf, tested it, yup, there it is.
Steroids.
jim norton
But he's still got a, what was it, a six month suspension, or did he do a year?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not supposed to take that stuff.
Like, even though it's not illegal, you have to approve everything.
And then on top of that, they have a list.
They have a USADA list on the website that you can go to and find out what's tainted and what's not.
Holy shit, dude!
It is the craziest thing you've ever seen.
It's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of supplements.
It's like, there's so much shit that makes you piss hot.
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
What's the most common?
What's the most popular?
joe rogan
I don't think there's a most popular.
eddie bravo
They start with A. Like Muscle Farm type stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're starting with A, and they're working their way through B. Like GNC stuff.
eddie bravo
Like stuff that says GNC on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, I'm talking hundreds of things.
Like, Nowitzki pulled the website up, and we were laughing.
We were laughing at how many things there were, because it's so absurd.
jim norton
Is there anyone who doesn't take anything, any supplements?
Do you know of any supplements?
Sure.
joe rogan
There's some guys that just take fruits and vegetables.
Yep.
eddie bravo
The ones from Monsanford and Son, though, those are tainted.
joe rogan
Monsanford and Son?
Renato de la Raja.
She saw fruit and vegetables.
eddie bravo
Yeah, those are tainted.
Those are genetically modified.
They have a shelf life of 20 years.
joe rogan
He posted a Joe Hogan for mayor sign that somebody had put up somewhere.
He might not have.
Somebody else did, I guess, and they were just talking about him.
Joe Hogan.
But I think that there's a lot of tainted supplements, for sure.
But I think there's a lot of guys using steroids, too.
So it's like, which one is it?
Did John Jones take a tainted supplement, or was John Jones using steroids?
Those are the only two options at this point, because that stuff's in his body.
Oh, the other option is somebody dosed him.
eddie bravo
I thought of that, too.
I wonder if somebody could find out.
joe rogan
Well, they have to do some sort of an investigation.
He has to come clean, talk about everything that he's taken.
If he took something that is not on their list of approved substances and he didn't claim that, if that's the case, he needs a goddamn babysitter.
If that's really what happened, if it really was a tainted supplement and just some normal bullshit from a supermarket health food section, who the fuck knows?
If it's really just some nonsense...
He needs a babysitter.
He needs someone that's around him that he trusts and respects, some mentor figure that does not allow him to take anything stupid and tells him, hey man, you're the baddest motherfucker of all time, and you're about to get put on the shelf for four years over some nonsense.
jim norton
Matt Serra raised a very interesting point about, again, it was just a speculation, but is it possible that this was happening?
joe rogan
Because all those fights happened before USADA, yeah, except for OSP. Well, there's always going to be that speculation if someone pisses hot.
You always got to think, well, if they piss hot in USADA, and back when it wasn't very sophisticated, and the drug...
Searching wasn't that sophisticated.
Maybe they were doing it the whole time.
You gotta wonder, you know?
That's why a guy like Tony Ferguson is so fucking spectacular.
You know, you look at a guy like Tony Ferguson, and he's just got mad focus and work ethic.
He's just ferocious in his focus and his intent.
Like, that guy doesn't need steroids.
He just needs food and life, you know?
And he's just gonna keep going.
eddie bravo
He just needs a place to work out and he'll build it too.
joe rogan
That's the crazy thing.
He's up there on Big Bear building gyms.
Builds his own fucking rolling room.
He's got video of it and photos of it and shit.
They matted out a room.
He nailed all the boards down and shit.
brendan schaub
He built a bag stand.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Like a workout little...
joe rogan
Of course he did.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's...
jim norton
Why does he do that?
He just likes the act of doing it?
eddie bravo
He is the kind of guy that if shit at the fan, it was an apocalypse.
brendan schaub
He's the guy that you're going to want to hang out with.
He's going to build your house.
jim norton
He's going to go hunt for you.
brendan schaub
And all you got to do is just make sure everything's clean when he gets home.
jim norton
I'm not that guy.
I just curl up like a beta and I beg.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's what community is all about.
You're supposed to have one of those guys.
One guy like you.
Supposed to have one guy like Eddie.
I mean, that's what a real community is.
The idea that everybody has to be the guy that can build a bag stand.
But he can.
brendan schaub
He does everything, man.
eddie bravo
He cleans the cabin.
brendan schaub
He's on fire, dude.
He's just always on fire.
eddie bravo
He'll go for a run through these hills and these mountains and these streets, and he'll have a crew with them running.
And I'm in the car because I have a torn ACL, so I'm in my car following them.
And he'll beat them by so much and then come back for them and then go and then come back for them and go.
These are all professional athletes.
joe rogan
No, his endurance is insane.
eddie bravo
He's into doing extra credit.
If we're going to do 10 rounds of sprints, he'll do 12. He's always going to go extra.
joe rogan
What's going on with your knee?
Tor ACL, Tor MCL. Is it partially torn?
Is that what the deal is?
Yeah, it's at 12. Did you talk to Dr. Roddy McGee?
eddie bravo
He's talking about surgery and my doctor.
brendan schaub
We're talking about let's try to rehab it and see what happens first, and then you could always get surgery later.
eddie bravo
He said, you know, with me, I told you that all I did was just stretch out, and I just stood up, and my knee just fell apart.
It came out, and I had to pop it back in, and then I got an MRI the next day.
And it came back partial tear on the ACL, torn MCL. You really don't need surgery for the MCL. Those, apparently, they just heal by themselves.
brendan schaub
You just gotta stay off them.
eddie bravo
What's the difference between the ACL and the MCL? The ACL, I'm on the fence.
brendan schaub
I could have surgery right now, or I could try to rehab it.
eddie bravo
But, um...
jim norton
What's what?
joe rogan
ACL is the anterior cruciate ligament.
It's the ligament that stabilizes the knee, keeps it from popping forward.
I've had both my ACLs reconstructed.
jim norton
From fighting?
joe rogan
One of them from jiu-jitsu, one of them from taekwondo.
eddie bravo
And it popped out three weeks later.
I was doing a seminar at 10th Planet Oceanside, and right there in the middle of the seminar, boom, it came out again.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to pop out.
eddie bravo
I'm just like, ah!
joe rogan
If it pops out that much, man, I would go to a different doctor.
I'd go to Roddy McGee, man.
Just go to him in Vegas.
eddie bravo
I'd talk to him, and he seems totally legit, but what he's talking about is the surgery, the new kind of surgery that they're doing.
joe rogan
The new surgery, the healing's only three months.
They don't use a cadaver anymore.
Now they reattach, and you're a perfect candidate for it, because your shit's not totally torn apart.
They reattach, and they re-sew it up, and one dude did it, and five months later, he competed in the Olympics.
The recovery time is so much different because what they're doing now is repairing your ligament.
Whereas before what they were doing is putting in an artificial ligament and then that ligament would act as a scaffolding.
So not artificial but a donor.
Like I have a donor on my right one.
brendan schaub
Cadaver?
joe rogan
From a cadaver.
eddie bravo
You can do cadaver, patella or hamstring?
joe rogan
I had patella on my left and cadaver on my right.
brendan schaub
How's your left feeling?
joe rogan
Both of them are awesome.
eddie bravo
Left is awesome?
joe rogan
Both of them are awesome.
eddie bravo
Apparently people are moving away a little bit from cadavers because sometimes you can get an infection.
brendan schaub
Like Benji Raddick, he had his ACL, a cadaver ACL, and he got infected somehow?
joe rogan
I think he got infected from the surgery.
He got staph from the surgery, which is super common.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's common from the cadaver.
It's the actual tendon.
joe rogan
Well, you know, MRSA is just something that's in hotels.
brendan schaub
I know the doctor that I'm going to is the one who did his.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's no way to tell whether it was from the actual surgery itself from cutting you open because a lot of people get it from like any sort of simple operation they can get MRSA. He stopped doing cadavers.
eddie bravo
He just does patellas.
joe rogan
Well now what Dr. McGee was saying is the most latest cutting-edge shit, you don't even have to do that.
Now what they're doing is they're taking this torn stuff and he had pictures of it and images of the actual surgery.
They stitch it together and rope it down and like literally stitch it together and they have this technique that they do and then you're up and moving.
Like you're up and moving and within three months it's a hundred percent.
Instead of six months.
jim norton
What's the technique?
What did they just kind of cocoon it with a bunch of rows of stitches?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy looking apparatus, the way they were doing it.
The way they had it stitched up like some crazy fishing knot.
But apparently it worked amazing.
Because he had some videos of this guy a few months post-surgery doing box jumps.
And I was like, this is crazy.
Doing side box jumps.
Like hopping on top of things, hopping on top of another thing, jumping over things left and right.
I was like, that is incredible.
For someone to go from ACL surgery, that's a recipe for blowing your knee apart.
Because I remember after I got mine, for like six months, I was terrified to do anything.
When I first came back to jiu-jitsu, I was terrified.
I was like, huh, huh, huh.
Every time I roll, it's like, please don't fall apart.
Please don't fall apart.
How long did you wait?
Six months.
So hard to do.
jim norton
And how long until you're doing it when you're like, alright, it's not going to fall apart?
joe rogan
A couple months.
Like eight months in, I realized, I was like, this is pretty good.
I'm feeling pretty good.
I didn't throw any kicks forever.
I didn't kick the bag forever.
And when I did jiu-jitsu, if anybody even went for my leg, I would tell them, please don't yank on this one.
This one's still ginger.
And I wouldn't try to explode with it and push off with it.
I was real gentle.
Gentle on it.
unidentified
This fight's about to go down.
joe rogan
What do you think?
Eddie Bravo?
Initial thoughts?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
Does Luke Rockhold get the same guy after getting KO'd by Bisping?
eddie bravo
It's a hard one to call.
joe rogan
It's been a long time outside the octagon.
Jim Norton, what do you think?
You're the host of UFC Uncensored.
jim norton
I'm taking David Branch.
joe rogan
New Yorker.
Goes with the New Yorker.
jim norton
You have to.
joe rogan
David Branch moving towards him.
Dropping some shots.
Luke Rockhold's got a powerful left kick.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Strong left kick.
And he landed it a few times to the body already.
It's a legit kick and he catches you with it way outside.
And Luke Rockhold's super hard to take down.
He trains all the time with Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez.
He's got all these monster wrestlers over there.
Habib Nurmagomedov.
eddie bravo
You think Branch wants to take him down?
joe rogan
He might.
He's got a very good ground game.
eddie bravo
Doesn't Rockhold have a spinning side kick KO finish?
Is that right?
joe rogan
No, he got wheel kicked in the head by Vitor Belfort.
And then he got...
Chris Weidman tried to wheel kick him, and he took Weidman to the ground and beat the fuck out of him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was the beginning of the end right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was crazy, because up until that, it was like a really competitive fight.
Branch is doing a good job of circling to his left to avoid that left kick.
He's not...
Oh, but he landed it right there.
Branch is doing a real good job.
Oh, he's putting Rockhold in danger.
eddie bravo
There it is!
joe rogan
He teed off on him!
Oh my god, Rockhold's in trouble.
This is a real fight.
Oh my god, he's taking Rockhold down.
That's how you know Rockhold's in big trouble.
Rockhold's super hard to take down.
eddie bravo
He should have stayed standing.
joe rogan
Maybe, but he lets him know he can take him down.
God damn, this is legit.
And he just looked over at his friend and waved and said I'm okay.
Or his coach, his corner.
But he didn't look okay.
He got hit with bombs, man.
You're never okay when you get hit with those kind of bombs.
You might not have gone out, but you're not okay.
See, fucking MMA is so much different than boxing.
These two fights highlight it.
Like, you guys barely know who Mike Perry is, right?
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, he's so invested in that fight.
Chaos, right?
In this fight, this is fucking chaos.
In so many different ways.
jim norton
118 to 110. That's gonna ruin my fucking weekend.
joe rogan
Adelaide Bird, she's a very nice lady.
I can't say anything terrible, but that's where it is.
She's always very pleasant.
She always waves and says hello.
I mean, just because I don't think I agree with her in boxing.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not mad at the lady.
brendan schaub
At what point do judges get removed for poor officiating?
unidentified
It's a good question.
brendan schaub
Or does that ever happen?
joe rogan
Well, back in the old days, the Nevada State Athletic Commission wasn't being run very well.
Bob Bennett, the guy who runs it now, is an animal.
He's on the ball.
He's really good.
And he's really smart, and he's just a real easy guy to talk to, too.
brendan schaub
But that's the boxing commission, though, right?
joe rogan
Totally different commission, right?
No, he's the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
brendan schaub
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he handles all that stuff.
So most likely, he'll probably be looking into that.
jim norton
Do they ever get booted, though, if it's not corruption?
If they literally just think this guy sucks at making decisions, do they ever get kicked out?
Like, you've fucked up too many times.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
I don't know enough about boxing.
I know when there's a bad decision and I know names that I keep hearing, but it's not like I know MMA judges.
jim norton
That's a disgraceful score.
joe rogan
Disgraceful, I agree.
eddie bravo
And has she had another disgraceful?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's had some terrible decisions in terms of what I think about the call.
Ooh, look out for the knees, son.
He's trying to trip Branch down.
Luke Rockhold, super strong.
Super strong top game.
Branch might be fading a bit here.
Nope.
Branch still looking to wing some shots.
One of the things that Branch thought was a big factor in this fight was his boxing.
But he's got to avoid those kicks, especially the left one, man.
The left one's the big one for Rockhold.
And he'll do it off the switch.
Ooh, that's a nice right leg kick.
He'll do it off the switch, and he's got a nasty question mark kick.
His question mark kick is what he used to crack bisping with.
Because he hits you with the body shots, like over and over and over again.
And then he gets you reaching.
So he throws one like this to the body, and then at the last minute he whips it around over the top.
He's nasty with that.
Really good with that.
That's like one of his best techniques.
That and his left power kick.
That left power kick to the body is just so good.
He stopped Kosta Filippu with that left body kick as well.
Oh!
He went jumping, round kicking, nice straight left!
He said, no, no, no.
jim norton
He certainly looks like he recovered.
joe rogan
Yeah, he recovered for sure.
Oh, he just clipped David Branch with a right hook.
Look, Rockhold does not want to go out like that Bisping fight.
See, here's the clinch, what you're talking about.
See, it's just way harder to pull off.
There's just so much scrambling in MMA and looking for takedowns and stuff.
Look at that, Luke Rockhold get in the back!
Get in the back!
Oh shit, David Branch almost goes down!
Oh!
Luke Rockhold on top, very dangerous on top, super strong, and Branch is tired as fuck, man.
Rockhold looks like a surgeon here.
Branch is doing a good job of protecting him.
One thing Rockhold's got to watch out for is his legs.
Branch is from the Henzo Gracie school.
jim norton
What's his motive in putting him up against the cage when he...
eddie bravo
Smash him against the wall.
Smash him.
They can't really move.
joe rogan
He wants to just hold him somewhere.
Ooh, look at that makeup.
Dude, look at that shit.
Yeah, just smash them.
Rockhold came on strong towards the end of that round.
jim norton
There's nothing more claustrophobic than watching that when someone's mushed up against the cage.
Like that Khabib-Johnson fight.
That's probably the most claustrophobic I've ever been watching a fight.
unidentified
Awful.
joe rogan
That was one of the worst ones ever.
eddie bravo
There's an art to smashing a guy against that fence.
joe rogan
For sure.
brendan schaub
Keeping him there and landing shots and wearing him out and just smashing him.
jim norton
It takes you back to when you're 10 years old.
Like, that's how I got beat up when I was a kid.
Like, you're just helpless in a corner.
joe rogan
Dude, that happened to me when I was 14. That's when I started wrestling.
This guy took me down in the locker room and he was, like, gonna punch me in the head but he decided not to because it was so easy for him to take me down.
He just grabbed me in a headlock.
I didn't even know if we were fighting.
I didn't know what was going on.
We were looking at each other and he was talking some shit.
And I wasn't exactly sure what we were going to do.
And then all of a sudden we were grabbing each other and he just got me in a headlock and threw me on the ground and held me there and could have easily punched my face in.
To this day, I owe him a debt of gratitude.
jim norton
Changed your life.
joe rogan
He did change my life because he made me realize, like, oh my god.
And then I had a friend, my friend Steven Artauino.
He was a wrestler in high school.
And I was already doing martial arts then.
And I just had no idea how easy it was for someone to take me down.
And we went outside to We went outside on the grass, and he was like, I can take you down easy.
I was like, no you can't.
He's like, whoosh, boom.
I was like, fuck that.
Try again.
Whoosh, boom.
I was like, oh my god, I gotta start wrestling.
So those two events led me to wrestling class.
eddie bravo
I wrestled in high school, and I was terrible.
brendan schaub
I was probably one of the worst wrestlers in high school history.
I got one takedown.
I would never take anybody down.
I was always afraid that I was going to catch a knee in my teeth.
So I would just sprawl on dudes that took down.
unidentified
Oof.
brendan schaub
That tried to take me down.
That was my game plan.
eddie bravo
But regular people, when I'd get in a fight, I would take them down.
brendan schaub
And I always felt like I was cheating, but I didn't care.
joe rogan
Because you used wrestling.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
I'd go, you know what?
I don't give a fuck.
If someone fucks with me, I'm going to double leg them.
And then I'd get, like, twist or cycle, and I'd punch their stomach.
I did that to a soccer player.
He was talking shit in school.
And, um...
I took him down.
brendan schaub
I took several guys down.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that you would think that it would be cheating?
eddie bravo
I didn't think it was real fighting back then.
brendan schaub
So when I saw Hoist, when I saw Hoist in UFC 2, I'm like, oh shit, you could take dudes down and fight?
eddie bravo
That's legit?
jim norton
He's hurting that leg, by the way.
Rockhold is really hurting that leg.
joe rogan
Both guys are hurting their legs.
Rockhold has been landing a bunch of hard leg kicks on Branch too.
This is a serious fight.
jim norton
No, that's what I mean.
He's been hurting Branch's leg.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, but Rockhold's hurt too, man.
This is a real fight.
Very good fight.
Is it funny now, like, a fight where two guys take each other down, it's like totally standard.
Like, no kids today would ever think that would be cheating.
Like, that's how you fight, motherfucker.
If someone takes someone down, like, oh shit, ground and pound.
Kids know the moves.
Side control!
Oh, you got side control!
jim norton
You see fight videos, just street fight videos, where someone takes someone down and they tap?
Like, that's like the understood move now?
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
But look, if people can tap in street fights, the world would be a better place.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if somebody leaves you alone after you tap and they let it alone, like two guys agree to fight, and then someone taps, and then the guy respects the tap, that's good.
That happens.
Yeah, I hope it does.
I hope it happens more often.
jim norton
I guess it all depends on what push you fight to begin with, though.
Yeah, for sure.
You're not signing the contract, some guy fucked your chick.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Boom.
Some of the craziest shit is girls fighting.
Because it's so primal.
Especially when they don't know how to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're grabbing hair and just screaming.
jim norton
Wakes come off.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
They're all just wailing at each other.
See, the thing about Rockhold is, he's so used to this shit, because he's in the gym with DC and Kane doing this.
So, like, there's very few guys that are going to have the kind of clinch game that Rockhold's going to have.
And the kind of grappling, like, grinding skills that Rockhold's going to have, because he's been doing it with these fucking monsters.
brendan schaub
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, Rockhold...
brendan schaub
And he's passed.
joe rogan
Oh, the full mouncha!
Full mouncha!
Not good for Branch.
Super bad for Branch.
Let's see if he gives up his back and trying to get out.
That's super dangerous.
Don't panic.
Let's see if he panics.
He's got to figure out a way to defend himself.
Oh, look at that.
He's giving up his back.
He's giving up his back.
Give it up his back.
eddie bravo
He's going to handcuff him.
joe rogan
Oh, he got that back.
jim norton
Oh, it's a bad place to be.
joe rogan
He's flattened.
This is terrible.
brendan schaub
Plenty of time.
joe rogan
Branches in a world of shit.
Dude, Rockhold does this to everybody, man.
He gets on top of you and he just smashes you.
It's so impressive.
eddie bravo
He did this to Vito, right?
joe rogan
Look at his top mount.
No, he did it to Lyoto.
Lyoto Machida.
jim norton
Oh, Branch is in trouble.
joe rogan
Vitor wheel kicked him in the head, remember?
brendan schaub
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Dude, Branch is in serious trouble.
He's going to flatten him out.
That's a serious mount, man.
That back mount is out of control.
His mount and his back mount, his top game is just fucking ferocious.
Oh, Branch is done.
He's done.
jim norton
He's just covering up.
joe rogan
Dan's giving him a lot of chances here, but he's taking a fucking bad beat.
He tapped, he tapped, he tapped.
unidentified
That's it.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That's it.
Tap to strikes.
Tap to strikes.
eddie bravo
Great fight.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, that was a great fight.
Dude, Brockhold's top game might be the best in the fucking division.
He might be better than Romero.
He's a black belt, right?
Yeah, he's a black belt.
eddie bravo
Under who?
unidentified
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know who they're...
It's not...
Oh, it's an AK. It's not Dave Camarillo.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's Dave Camarillo.
How long has he been at AK? It's forever.
Is Dave Camarillo still an AK? No.
I think he is.
joe rogan
But a lot of guys train with him still.
A lot of guys still go over there.
jim norton
Did he just throw out his mouthpiece?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Threw it to somebody.
That's a joy.
Would you suck on that?
jim norton
No, I wouldn't.
joe rogan
Would you put it in your mouth?
jim norton
No, I wouldn't.
eddie bravo
Girls would.
joe rogan
Some girls would.
Some girls want to get pregnant with that spit.
eddie bravo
I'll get you pregnant.
jim norton
I guess it would depend on the fighter.
joe rogan
Boom.
I got a text message from Vinny Shorman.
Fucking Adelaide Bird.
Again.
A lot of people are aware that Adelaide Bird doesn't have the best decisions.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
She's trending?
Jamie knows who's trending.
Would you ever know who's trending?
jim norton
Never.
Not even who's me.
joe rogan
Would you ever have any idea ever who's trending?
eddie bravo
What was that?
joe rogan
Would you ever have any idea who's trending?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
Just ask Jamie.
eddie bravo
Oh.
Is Justin Bieber still trending?
joe rogan
Is he still on top?
jim norton
Can't you trend two different ways, too, like locally?
Like, I've had guys go, dude, you're trending, but I'm not.
It's like a fucking local, like in Jersey, I'm trending compared to other Jersey people.
joe rogan
Nice.
How does that work?
How do you trend in Jersey?
jim norton
I don't know.
There's a way to do it location-wise, like where you get your hopes up and you realize, oh, no one fucking cares.
unidentified
Luke Rockhold put the beat down.
joe rogan
But I'll tell you what, man.
David Branch made it a scrap.
Made it a scrap for the beginning until Luke Rockhold wore on him.
With that pressure, that clinch...
And that wrestling, too.
I'm telling you, man, all those years with Kane and DC, I mean, you don't get any better wrestling than that.
You don't get any better, more savage, big, giant dudes than those two.
Think about it.
Olympic-class wrestler and arguably the greatest UFC heavyweight ever.
jim norton
But who helps Kane like that?
Because obviously he's heavier than...
joe rogan
DC. Not much.
Not much.
DC walks around all the time at 235, 240. You know, he even said he was feeling kind of slim like this time after the fight.
You know, we did commentary last weekend.
And he said he was usually, he'd be at like 235 by now.
But he was lighter than that.
I think he was like 215 or 220 or something like that.
But he'll get up to 235. So, like, Kane's 240. So, they're in the neighborhood of each other.
Like, five pounds difference with a world-class grappling like those two guys have.
They're just going to war constantly.
brendan schaub
It's always a problem, though, for big guys, guys 250 and above, finding training partners.
It's tough.
eddie bravo
Especially in jiu-jitsu schools.
brendan schaub
Man, it's tough.
We don't have very many big guys.
eddie bravo
We got, right now, in my class, I think the biggest guy, 200 pounds.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
That's it.
joe rogan
What a fight, man, huh?
Isn't that crazy?
Luke Rockhold.
I'll tell you, dude, when that guy gets people down, they are not getting up.
He has one of the best fucking top games.
jim norton
You don't see a lot of tap outs due to strikes.
joe rogan
A lot of people don't do it.
They don't believe in it.
A lot of people have said, like, that's a bitch move.
I don't think it is, even a little bit.
I think it's a smart move.
When you're getting hit, you're getting fucked up, and you know you're not going to recover, you know, and the fight's over, there's no need to take extra shots.
If you know that you're done, just tap.
jim norton
But it's seen as if they see fighters say this.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people, like George St-Pierre, that's one of the things that BJ Penn was taunting him about, how he tapped with strikes against Matt when Matt beat him.
Matt beat the shit out of him and clipped him with a big right hand early, got on top of him, banged him out, and then GSP tapped the strikes.
And BJ was like, I would never tap the strikes.
But really, maybe some of those career fights he should have tapped the strikes.
jim norton
Yeah, if you know you've got nothing left, why not?
unidentified
Yeah Get out of what?
Is that about Bisping?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's some bad trash talking.
jim norton
I'm thinking it's Bisping because he's saying it's his fight.
unidentified
I think he feels he should be fighting for the belt, not GSP. Damn.
jim norton
He got credit for taking that and surviving that first round.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in trouble, dude.
He was in trouble for sure.
eddie bravo
That tight clinch stopped the strikes.
joe rogan
Yep.
This is what stops everything, man.
His fucking smush game.
Look at that step over mount.
No resistance in getting that mount.
He just overwhelmed Branch.
Branch just couldn't keep up that pace.
You know, Luke Brockhold, I mean, he's the reason why he was the champ.
He's fucking world class.
November, Madison Square Garden.
Whoa, so he's telling GSP to back out.
jim norton
Well, there's people who still think that GSP is not going to make that fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of people who think that GSP is crazy now.
He's lost his marbles.
eddie bravo
Why?
jim norton
Didn't he keep delaying it?
joe rogan
Well, because of the time lapse thing and the UFO thing.
He kept talking about aliens, like he was obsessed with aliens, to the point where they wanted to leave it out of one of the UFC countdown shows.
eddie bravo
No way.
He talked a lot about it?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He's trying to tell us.
joe rogan
We're not listening.
He talked about it on my podcast, man.
Talked about, uh, he thinks that, like, sometimes he'll, he'll, like, be missing time, and it'll, like, be somewhere else.
It wasn't comfortable listening to.
jim norton
Didn't you point it out to him that that was some kind of a trauma?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's one of the main signs of trauma.
You know, loss of memory is one of the big ones.
You know, when you start talking about missing time and aliens, like, whoa, okay, why would you think it would be aliens when you got hit 800 times?
Like, he was hit more than 800 times in his UFC career.
He was like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm fine with that.
Aliens are fucking with me, dude.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's true.
joe rogan
Maybe it is.
Imagine if we were, like, we're joking around about it.
Meanwhile, every night while GSP's sleeping, his body freezes.
The room fills up with blue light.
Little dudes, like, fucking walk right through the walls.
unidentified
Yeah.
And he's like, no, don't take me again.
joe rogan
They take him to the spaceship.
brendan schaub
This is a cartoon.
joe rogan
Yeah, they want to get that DNA. They want that perfect super athlete GSP DNA. They take him there, and they have a whole Under Armour lab in space.
eddie bravo
They do an anal probe in him, and then he turns around and goes, I am not impressed.
joe rogan
Why is it always your butt, man?
They're always playing with your butt.
eddie bravo
Something about the butt.
brendan schaub
I think that's how they test the blood.
See what you're eating.
jim norton
Plus they probably know it bothers us.
eddie bravo
I bet you could learn a lot from shit.
joe rogan
Dude.
eddie bravo
What if they started giving poop samples?
brendan schaub
Like, that was more accurate than piss?
eddie bravo
I mean, we have no problem with piss samples.
What about shit samples?
brendan schaub
We didn't have to shit in a cup.
joe rogan
Shit in a bowl.
Pee in the cup.
Everybody's like, alright, can't believe you're making me do this, but I'll do it.
Like, if UPS made you shit in a bucket...
jim norton
Cellophane the top.
joe rogan
We found a new, there's a new blood drug test, but we need your shit.
It's the only way you really tell.
eddie bravo
No way you're gonna beat this.
You can't fake the shit test.
jim norton
And we have to have at least four pounds of it.
unidentified
Can you imagine dudes getting their friends to shit for them?
eddie bravo
Dude, I need your shit.
joe rogan
Dude, dude, dude, just hide in the fucking air duct.
eddie bravo
You have like a bag of shit.
joe rogan
You're like, tap the wall twice, and you drop down like a fucking demon, take a shit in my bucket, and climb back up there.
eddie bravo
Bro, we're gonna get caught!
We tested his shit.
joe rogan
Listen, you been eating good?
Like, you eat a lot of fiber?
Like, can you shit on command?
There's going to be dogs they can smell.
eddie bravo
They'll be like steroid sniffing dogs.
jim norton
They'll just send a fucking beagle in.
joe rogan
If they start eating your shit, then that means you're guilty.
Dude, I got this puppy, and when he was little, as the shit would be coming out of his butt, he'd be turning around trying to eat it.
Damn.
He's taking a shit, he's like, oh, let me get some of that.
No.
Puppies are weird, man.
They smell shit, and they're babies.
They think it's food.
jim norton
Yeah, they don't understand.
That's a bad move.
joe rogan
Literally like soft-serve ice cream coming out of his ass.
eddie bravo
Aren't their noses like a thousand times stronger than ours?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they don't think it's bad.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine what shit smells like to them?
joe rogan
They like the smell of shit.
eddie bravo
It's so bad, they like it.
It just flips out of like, it's a defense mechanism.
joe rogan
Well, no, they like rotting bodies, too.
Dogs.
Yeah, dogs find like a dead beaver or some shit.
They'll roll around in it.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
They like it on their skin.
It's real weird.
brendan schaub
Maybe we're supposed to like it.
eddie bravo
Maybe we've been brainwashed into not liking it.
Because we're supposed to eat bugs, right?
brendan schaub
We're supposed to eat insects, right?
joe rogan
It's a smart thing to eat.
unidentified
Right?
eddie bravo
Wouldn't it be?
brendan schaub
I mean, we wouldn't need to go to the supermarket if we like bugs.
eddie bravo
We just eat bugs.
We just trap flies and stuff.
jim norton
But are we supposed to eat them?
Or are we only up to a certain point?
Like, once you can make shit, there's no need to eat them anymore.
eddie bravo
I think we're supposed to eat insects.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was listening to a lecture about this.
Where they were talking about...
Okay, no, it was Terence McKenna.
That's who it was.
And he was talking about how we used to be insectivores.
And so that reward system is still in our consciousness.
That's why people get super excited when they catch a bug.
That's why people like those...
Butterfly catchers.
They collect butterflies and shit, and they capture them.
There's a whole group of people.
You know how you can't trophy hunt?
Do they eat them?
No.
You know how people don't like trophy hunters?
It's gross.
You go over there, shoot rhinos, and put them on your wall.
Collecting butterflies is totally fine.
Nobody gives a fuck about butterflies.
jim norton
Oh, they kill them once they get them, right?
joe rogan
Well, they don't last long anyway, so that's actually, I guess, the mindset.
But there's people that collect them, like serial killers.
They have these butterflies pressed up on the glass, and they've collected all these from all over the globe.
unidentified
Aren't they beautiful?
joe rogan
They're killing all these bugs.
They're like trophy hunters, but for bugs.
jim norton
That's one step above throwing a fat girl in your well.
brendan schaub
Anybody out there fighting for bug rights?
joe rogan
Well, I'll tell you when it could happen.
It is possible that it could happen someday.
There's a bunch of different people in different parts of the world that eat crickets, and cricket protein is really rich.
It's very good.
Cricket protein is very good for you.
Yeah, cricket protein powder right there.
People are starting to turn towards crickets for animal protein, for vitamin B12, for a lot of things.
And a lot of people that might have ethical issues with eating animal protein don't have it with bugs.
Maybe insectivore will be a thing.
People don't want to necessarily commit to being vegan, but they don't want animals to suffer, but they're cool with eating crickets.
That would actually be a good health move.
You could get a lot of really rich protein.
Look at all the shit that's in crickets.
How many crickets you get out of 10 gallons of water?
brendan schaub
They're going to be in there anyways?
joe rogan
So for 100 gallons of water, you get 71 grams of crickets versus 19 grams of chicken.
unidentified
I don't really know what this means.
jim norton
I don't either.
unidentified
It's just a weird thing.
joe rogan
There must be protein.
Protein versus the amount of weight of body mass of the animal.
Because I would imagine crickets use very little water.
Right?
They're creepy little bugs.
unidentified
That's how much they use to create that much.
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
How much water used to create that much protein.
joe rogan
Right.
Whereas cows drink water.
Chickens do.
They need actual water.
brendan schaub
How long before some asshole comes out and tries to defend cricket rights?
jim norton
It'll happen.
It'll also happen with robots.
As soon as we start making human-looking robots that do shit for us, somebody will start to say you have to treat them a certain way.
It may or may not happen in our lifetime.
brendan schaub
Robot rights.
joe rogan
There's a real problem that if we figure out that plants have consciousness, and they know that plants do have some consciousness.
jim norton
Do they really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they know there's some communication going on between plants.
It's just not what we think of as consciousness, first of all, because it doesn't entail moving.
But there's some sort of information that's being passed on.
In fact, plants have chemical reactions to being preyed upon.
Like, plants change their flavor profile.
Like, they'll make themselves disgusting for animals to eat, just based on whether or not an animal's trying to eat them.
So if something eats them, it changes the smell of all the animals around them, or all the plants, rather, around them.
And then they change, like, for the acacia bush.
They've studied these things when they go downwind.
Like one will get eaten by a giraffe, and then the wind will catch the other trees, and the other trees will become inedible to the giraffe.
It's fucked.
It's crazy.
There's some sort of communication.
jim norton
Do they feel pain?
I always ask.
I have my stuff trimmed once in a while.
I'm like, does that fucking, did that hurt?
The woman went to smack me in the face.
eddie bravo
It can't abuse plants.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
Like, what is pain, though, right?
Because our pain might have to do entirely with movement in our central nervous system, which plants definitely don't have.
So even though they're a living thing, they might have consciousness, but they might not be experiencing pain.
But they do know that they have some crazy relationship with fungus.
And that the fungus are extracting minerals from the dirt.
There's like mycelium under the ground and they have some sort of relationship with the root system.
And there's a whole community and there's like exchanges going on and like these ecosystems of plants.
Like when you see a jungle, we think about a bunch of individual plants.
But they're all working together.
They're all like synced up in some way that we're too stupid and self-centered to consider.
jim norton
Plants give me the creeps.
I like them.
They fucking creep me out, man.
eddie bravo
I'll beat the fuck out of a plant.
jim norton
Just because there's bugs and there's so much about them I don't get and the fungus, they really do freak me out.
joe rogan
Anybody thinks they understand plants, look at Venus flytraps, okay?
That's a plant that kills bugs.
Look at this fucking plant in, I want to say Ecuador, is that where it's from?
There's this plant that looks like a flower and mice and rats.
Go around the edge of it, because it smells sweet, and it smells like rotting meat in there, and they fall in, and this thing closes up on them, and they absorb it and eat it.
They eat rats.
jim norton
Oh, that goes right there.
joe rogan
Check that out.
Can you back that up so I can see it?
eddie bravo
They used to sell Venus flytraps.
You could order one.
Remember that shit?
joe rogan
Look at this shit.
This mouse is like, man, that shit smells good.
Whoops.
I'm in there now.
I'm dead.
jim norton
Can't get out.
So is it slippery on the sides?
Does the plant do anything?
joe rogan
The whole thing is just super slippery.
Like the mouse, it has a delicious smell.
So the mouse comes there and just falls right in the hole.
eddie bravo
What if it's an accident?
joe rogan
A frog, bitch.
Boom.
Venus flytrap eats a fucking frog, son.
unidentified
Ugh.
jim norton
And how does the Venus flytrap actually eat it?
Crush it to death?
eddie bravo
What if it's an accident?
What if it's not trying to eat it?
It's like just a reaction, and then they just die, and then somehow it just, like fertilizer just feeds it, but it's an accident?
Like, that rat that fell in that plant, that could be just like a glitch in the design.
jim norton
Yeah, rats are dumb.
eddie bravo
Dude, rats are just falling in, and it ends up being fertilizer anyways.
joe rogan
Well, all sort of changes in plants or in animals is all like natural selection, right?
So there has to be some random mutations and then some of them stick.
eddie bravo
I think the plant's going, fuck, another rat?
Shit, it's going to just smell the place up.
God damn it.
joe rogan
Or maybe mice were eating it.
And slowly but surely figured out a way over millions of years to trick those fucking mice into falling into a pig.
eddie bravo
I think it's just a coincidence.
jim norton
It's a coincidence.
So wait, they fall in there and they starve to death?
How do they die?
joe rogan
No, they get absorbed by the plant.
jim norton
Is there...
joe rogan
I don't know, there's some sort of a digestive breakdown.
jim norton
That just digest them while they're alive?
joe rogan
Something happens.
jim norton
Oh, what a shit way to go.
joe rogan
It eventually dies in there.
But the frog, with the Venus flytrap, I didn't even know they could eat a frog.
That's a fucked up way to go.
A plant clamps down on you.
Imagine if you're walking through the jungle.
eddie bravo
They need to try to breed gigantic ones of those.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Why can't they?
eddie bravo
And plant them in your house.
That's something you would have, right?
You had piranha.
What's all the craziest that you had besides piranha?
joe rogan
That was the craziest.
I was thinking about getting crocodiles at one point.
jim norton
Are they legal or no?
eddie bravo
You wanted a lion.
joe rogan
Exactly.
eddie bravo
Dude, Venus flytrap, that's gangster.
Yeah.
And breeding giant ones?
joe rogan
Yeah, big ones.
Big ones.
eddie bravo
Hire some scientists, some, what do you call those dudes?
joe rogan
Botanists.
eddie bravo
Triologists?
joe rogan
Yeah, triologists.
A tree scientist.
That's actually a great idea.
Someone should do that.
eddie bravo
Make giant ones.
That's your security system.
jim norton
What climate do you need for a Venus flytrap?
eddie bravo
Why don't you come try to rob me?
I dare you.
unidentified
I love it, bro.
Perfect.
jim norton
You can grow them here?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
jim norton
But you know what, as an animal, what a dick you must feel like when a plant catches you?
joe rogan
So bad.
jim norton
How fucking humiliating.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were walking through the jungle and you got caught by some plant that they didn't know about yet.
Because there's like...
Hundreds of thousands of different species in the Amazon, and there's places in the Amazon that people just don't go.
There's no one there.
And if there are people, they're like these uncontacted tribes, they find these villages, like, what the fuck are you doing here?
And they're like, what are you?
Like, there's people to this day that are like these uncontacted tribes in the middle of the Amazon.
eddie bravo
I read somewhere that 90% of the bugs in the Amazon don't have names because they just evolve so quick and they just can't keep up with the evolution.
brendan schaub
I don't know if that's true or not.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
There's a bunch of bugs that don't have names there.
brendan schaub
But I'll tell you this.
I got tricked into going to Costa Rica once.
joe rogan
I love Costa Rica.
eddie bravo
I thought we were going to Costa Rica, party Cancun.
I was thinking Cancun the whole time.
brendan schaub
Going to Costa Rica, a bunch of people went.
eddie bravo
I'm thinking Cancun, Cancun.
I didn't know we were going into the jungle.
We went into the jungle and went at night to sleep in the jungle?
A mansion in the jungle.
jim norton
Oh, that's a mansion I can handle.
eddie bravo
But still, you're in the middle of the jungle.
And at night, holy shit, I just doused my...
brendan schaub
I bought all the off at the...
eddie bravo
They had a village and they had a little convenience store.
brendan schaub
I cleaned them out because I'm scared of bugs and I didn't want to really let anybody know that I was a big pussy about bugs.
I got tricked into going...
eddie bravo
I literally...
I used off as gel in my hair and put it all over my face because I knew when that sun went down, it was going to get nuts.
jim norton
Even in the mansion, you were worried about getting bitten?
eddie bravo
We were all hanging out The outside is so hard.
And the mansion has open ceilings.
It's open air.
Dude, it was a complete nightmare.
But my point is, at night, every night, we'd all sit in front of the pool.
First, you'd see all the frogs coming out of nowhere.
And that first night, it was so trippy.
The guys that lived there go, you're going to love these frogs.
Don't be scared.
They're the ones that are going to save your ass.
All these frogs are everywhere and all of a sudden the bugs just start coming out and it really is like Braveheart.
It's a bunch of frogs and you see them.
You don't have to wait.
You just see them just going after bugs.
It's just a war.
brendan schaub
And the guy that lived in the house that was watching the house, he goes, you're going to love this.
eddie bravo
It's just chaos.
jim norton
You're in the middle of the jungle.
eddie bravo
What was that?
jim norton
They're preventing you from getting bitten by just eating the fucking bugs.
eddie bravo
The off was preventing that.
I was cool.
They didn't come around me, but I swear, only once did I ever see a bug of the same species.
They were all moths that looked like mosquitoes, that looked like centipedes, that looked like stick.
They were all different.
joe rogan
And it was all open air, too, right?
So they were flying in your room and shit?
unidentified
Dude.
eddie bravo
I could talk about this for an hour, but they tricked me.
It was a nightmare.
Did they trick you on purpose?
brendan schaub
Because the people that liked it, they're the kind of people that have a giant spider moth lens on their shoulders.
eddie bravo
You know, like one of those dudes?
You know what I mean?
jim norton
Yeah, they're unafraid of bugs.
eddie bravo
You know those dudes that don't give a shit about bugs?
If you like Costa Rica, if you want to move there, you're 100% one of those guys that doesn't mind bugs.
jim norton
Did you have a net around you when you slept?
eddie bravo
You're supposed to, but no one told me to bring a fucking net, and there was no more nets.
jim norton
You had to bring your own net?
What a shithole.
eddie bravo
I walked in there, as soon as we're driving in this bus through the jungle, I'm going, Oh my god.
brendan schaub
How many days?
eddie bravo
Seven.
It was a nightmare.
Every night was a nightmare, but I had to keep it inside because there was girls and I was single.
It was like a slasher movie.
And so I didn't say anything.
I just knew it.
I'm like, damn, I thought it was going to be like Cancun.
jim norton
Shit.
eddie bravo
So we get to the mansion.
We get to the mansion.
And they go, your room's there.
Your room's there.
Everyone's got their own rooms.
There's a couple couples.
They had a room.
And as soon as I'm already tripping out going, fuck, when the sun comes down.
Holy shit.
I'm a bitch.
Big, gigantic vagina when it comes to bugs.
Moths scare the shit out of me.
I'm a big pussy.
And we're going into the jungle?
That's all I was thinking about.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
So as soon as I walk into my room, I notice that it's all open air.
And I look up, and there's about 40, 50 bees in my room.
40, 50 bees.
jim norton
Are they nesting in your room?
eddie bravo
They're just flying all over the fucking place.
So I drop my bags, and I go downstairs, and the guy that's watching the mansion, old Vietnam vet white guy, who left civil...
All those guys that live down there, they leave their jobs, they leave their family, they try a new life, then they hate it, and now they can't go back.
Now they can't go back, because they left everything.
But anyways, so...
I went downstairs and I talked to this Vietnam vet.
I'm like, is there supposed to be a bunch of bees in my room?
Like, ah, just turn on the ceiling fan on low.
Don't turn it too high.
You just want it to be uncomfortable for them, and then in a couple hours they'll be gone.
They don't like that little breeze.
I'm like, okay, all right.
And I'm thinking, what about at night when the bugs just flood in?
And he said, oh, you need a net to sleep in.
brendan schaub
I'm like, shit, where do you get those?
eddie bravo
They're usually sold out.
They were sold out.
There was no net.
So I slept every night.
Every night.
First of all, I was complaining about the bees.
I was like, I had to let it out.
I held it in.
And I said, dude, do you guys have bees in your room?
jim norton
They go, yeah, we got bees too.
eddie bravo
I'm like, oh my god.
So I started complaining about bees.
And then a girl goes, okay, Captain B-Watch, we get it.
You don't like bees.
And then at that point, I'm like, fuck, I gotta shut the fuck up.
No more peep out of me.
jim norton
No, if someone calls you Captain B-Watch, cunt is the appropriate response.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I never said shit.
I held it in.
But every night was a nightmare.
I slept in a sheet.
Like completely covered and you could just hear and then we had to take a leak.
The bathroom, again, if you like that, you don't care about bugs.
So they want crazy shit like a bathroom.
When you open the door and there's a bathroom, there's no walls and there's no ceiling.
It's like an outside bathroom.
They like that shit.
They like that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, it's cool.
eddie bravo
People that don't mind bugs.
If you like the jungle, if you like the jungle, that means you don't mind bugs.
I think 60% of the population don't mind bugs.
40% are terrified.
I'm terrified.
jim norton
Did you ever see those videos of the guy that pets hornets?
I watch videos of this guy.
Go on YouTube, there's a guy who will gently stroke wasps and hornets.
He has really fucking creepy fingernails, but he touches bees.
That's probably my greatest fear is bees.
eddie bravo
Every night, nightmare.
I'll never go to a jungle ever again in my life.
jim norton
Did you get stung by a bee?
eddie bravo
No, it had too much off on me.
I was completely doused and off.
joe rogan
Is this the guy who pets the bees?
jim norton
But he actually does it with other bees.
This one probably has...
How come they're not stinging him?
That one probably has no stinger.
It's probably a Japanese hornet.
They're away from the nest.
But this one may not have a stinger.
But this guy, he does it on the nest.
I've seen guys petting them on the nest.
eddie bravo
Yeah, this guy killed him in Costa Rica, no problem.
jim norton
That might not have a stinger.
eddie bravo
He'd fucking love it.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
That looks like a stinger to me.
People love those things.
jim norton
Honey on their finger and it just fucking, it comes up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing's trying to jack him, man.
jim norton
Is it trying to sting him though?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just avoiding it.
He keeps trying to jack it.
eddie bravo
I wish I had those powers.
I wish there was a pill that could make me feel like that.
joe rogan
Why would you want to do that?
eddie bravo
I would take, like, some pharmaceutical.
Get rid of the fear of bugs.
Like, you gotta be on it every day.
jim norton
Okay, let me ask you this.
joe rogan
What if the shit hit the fan?
North Korea blows up the United States.
The United States blows up North Korea.
We go to war with Russia.
We go to war with China.
This place is a disaster, but you can live in Costa Rica still.
It's safe.
You just gotta deal with bugs.
Eddie?
eddie bravo
I would go.
joe rogan
You'd get dapped.
eddie bravo
I would deal with it.
joe rogan
You would adapt.
jim norton
You would adapt, but I couldn't.
Bugs really...
It's a really weird...
I don't know how anybody can be comfortable around them.
joe rogan
You'd get used to it.
jim norton
I have silverfish in my apartment, and they fucking disgust me.
joe rogan
Those little creepy things, they're creepy.
eddie bravo
Fucking horrible.
joe rogan
There's something creepy about them.
eddie bravo
I was doused.
I doused myself every morning with fresh coat.
joe rogan
Did that make you feel creepy?
brendan schaub
I didn't give a shit.
joe rogan
No, I mean, like, did it make your body feel weird?
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
eddie bravo
It was worth it.
The bugs didn't want...
brendan schaub
I had too much on me.
jim norton
Did you shower?
eddie bravo
Dude, I put it all over my face, all over my hair, in my balls.
brendan schaub
I didn't want to get bit in the dick.
joe rogan
There's the stuff...
You know what lidocaine is?
Sounds familiar.
eddie bravo
Painkiller?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a numbing cream they put on.
I had a bad sunburn once, like real bad.
I was in Mexico, and I was sitting out on the beach, and I was not paying attention.
And I didn't realize how bad I got burnt.
My back was on fire.
I mean, it was like serious, serious pain, especially if I'd start sweating.
And so I got some of this lidocaine stuff.
And it says, like, only put, like, two pumps of this shit.
Put it on your back.
Of course, I put, like, 13 pumps.
I put it all over my back, because my back is in agony.
And then, like, an hour plus later, I started feeling, like, shit.
Like, nervous, like, sketchy, like, shaky.
And I was like, oh my god, I've got, like...
This is, like, almost like a...
Like a cousin of cocaine, you know?
It's like it's doing something to me.
It's not like getting me high.
Did you want to pee in the house?
No, no.
I felt shaky and creepy.
brendan schaub
Did you want to have sex?
joe rogan
I didn't want to eat.
I didn't want to do anything.
jim norton
Well, probably didn't it go into your skin right to your fucking central nervous system.
eddie bravo
100%.
What if it got too long as fuck?
joe rogan
Like a dick hard as a rock, but it's numb.
eddie bravo
Do you have any line of cane, bro?
joe rogan
But it makes your dick numb.
That's like the thing.
It's a numbing cream.
jim norton
My dick would wilt with a numbing cream.
I need to feel it.
eddie bravo
When I was a kid, my problem...
When I first started having sex young, I was 13. My girlfriend was 13. She talked me into it.
I didn't want to have sex.
I was cool with dry humping, but...
I was cool with that.
I was really aggressive.
It took like 10 months to get to dry humping.
It took a long time.
But once I got to dry humping, I would not...
She would not...
We were done.
We never got beyond.
We hit a big wall.
We plateaued.
But my problem...
We ended up having sex.
And after the 10th time, she started crying.
And I asked her, what's going on?
unidentified
She goes, this is not what I thought it was going to be like.
eddie bravo
And I didn't know what the fuck I did wrong.
brendan schaub
So I told my brother who was older and he was really experienced with girls at that point.
eddie bravo
And the first thing he said is...
Well, how long you fucking her?
I said, I don't know.
brendan schaub
Minute?
eddie bravo
90 seconds?
I don't know.
He goes, dude!
That's why she started crying.
Dude, you gotta hold that shit.
So I had a problem.
brendan schaub
I was premature ejaculation.
eddie bravo
Like, that was my big problem.
brendan schaub
So my brother gave me this cream called, it was called Stay Hard.
jim norton
It's out in the porno shops, absolutely.
eddie bravo
Old school shit.
It was called S-T-A, just without the Y, hard.
And I used that just to, you know, so I could last a couple more minutes.
It didn't really work.
joe rogan
I remember guys would always say that.
They'd always talk about that.
unidentified
I'd say, yeah, the reason one of those guys could do that, they'd put this shit on their dick so they don't feel anything.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why they could fuck so long.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It worked for five minutes for me, and then my shit just went right through it.
jim norton
First time I almost came, I was getting blown.
Me and my friend were hanging out, and I had my dick through a Hulk doll, and my friend is blowing me.
I didn't know what cum was, so I felt the cum coming, so I ran to the toilet and stood over it, and nothing happened.
It was a real dud.
eddie bravo
What's that?
joe rogan
This dude that I know that was in the porn business told me that back in the day they used to literally inject some sort of chemical into the vein in their dick.
jim norton
Cavergette they use.
joe rogan
To make their- what is it?
jim norton
Cavergette.
eddie bravo
They still do that.
jim norton
But it can fuck your dick up so bad it can turn purple or black because the blood doesn't leave it.
unidentified
It's called cavergette.
jim norton
I've talked to guys who have used it, and one guy said that his dick almost died?
No, no, no.
I think he needed to have the blood drained, but he had a real problem with it, and he said he wouldn't do it again.
eddie bravo
What if it got so bad in the porn industry that they got their own form of USADA? They were testing porn stars for Viagra.
joe rogan
Like it wasn't fair.
If they tested porn stars for Viagra, the business would collapse.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
You'd go back to those 1970s days when John Holmes had a limp snake.
jim norton
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was trying to like shove it in chicks.
jim norton
Or Arbola.
You remember Arbola?
He looked, he was the fucking, the worst looking guy ever.
joe rogan
But John Holmes, isn't that the guy with the giant dick?
jim norton
Yeah, yeah, he died today.
Johnny Watt, yeah.
eddie bravo
Out of all medications ever invented, Isn't Viagra the most effective?
That's the one that works the best.
jim norton
There's a side effect.
It was done for your heart.
eddie bravo
Huh?
joe rogan
It's bad for your heart.
eddie bravo
It was made for your heart.
jim norton
I mean, it was a side effect that you worked on.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but now...
jim norton
It's wonderful.
joe rogan
But the side effects of it, like, pretty mild stuff.
jim norton
Stuffy nose.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But how many people are dropping dead of that?
eddie bravo
Are people dropping dead of Viagra?
joe rogan
What does it say?
jamie vernon
Penile fibrosis from this caverject is one of the...
jim norton
Oh, caverject?
Penile fibrosis.
joe rogan
What is that?
What's penile fibrosis?
eddie bravo
That sounds like a dick disease.
joe rogan
You're saying this like we would know what the fuck that is.
You have to explain that shit to us.
eddie bravo
It's like psoriasis of the dick.
unidentified
Deformed penis shape, yeah.
joe rogan
Deformed penis shape?
Yeah, that probably sounds like it stays that way.
I wonder what it looks like.
eddie bravo
Maybe it curves down.
unidentified
Do you want me to look it up?
Nah.
joe rogan
Nah, that's good.
Damn, there's some KOs tonight.
I guess we missed a bunch of KOs.
So we found out that Brendan Schaub is a fucking genius.
He's a soothsayer.
Is that the word?
He sees the future.
He's a prognosticator.
He's dead right.
He's right.
He couldn't give it to Golovkin unless he killed Canelo.
I wonder what the general public thinks about the decision.
Whether or not they think it was a good decision.
We don't know him, but we're insulated.
eddie bravo
I wanted to hear that interview.
He didn't speak English anyways, right?
joe rogan
No.
Forget what he thinks.
I'm sure he thinks he won.
I would like to see...
I don't think he thinks he won.
eddie bravo
But what if he says, like, you know what, I didn't win.
He deserves it as a bad decision.
What if he says something like that?
joe rogan
That would be ballsy.
That's a ballsy move.
eddie bravo
Someone said that recently in the UFC, right?
There was someone.
Who was that?
He won a bad decision and he's like, you know what, I didn't win.
joe rogan
Who was that?
I don't know, man.
unidentified
I see too many fucking fights.
joe rogan
Are you going to be there on October 7th?
For Tony's fight?
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
Vegas?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It's gonna be insane, man.
brendan schaub
He's training like a fucking machine, dude.
joe rogan
I'm sure he is.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
His jujitsu is sharper than ever.
Man.
You know, it's gonna be a great fight.
brendan schaub
It's gonna be a great fight.
joe rogan
Very interesting fight.
Big step up for Kevin Lee.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's an animal.
unidentified
He is.
He's a beast.
eddie bravo
He's explosive.
He's fast.
He's got a really good rear naked choke.
He likes getting the back and putting anacondas in, body triangles.
brendan schaub
He likes that.
eddie bravo
He likes that a lot.
joe rogan
Super well-rounded.
eddie bravo
Yep, yep.
joe rogan
And surging.
He's like a surging young guy.
unidentified
You know, only like 25. But you gotta kill Tony to beat him.
eddie bravo
You really do.
You gotta kill him.
He's a savage.
There's no way.
brendan schaub
He's gonna fight to the death.
joe rogan
Does he rent the same house every time when he goes up to Big Bear?
eddie bravo
No, a different house.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see Tito's place?
I think it was still for sale a while back.
brendan schaub
We just work out at his house.
Just turn the garage out, turn it into a little jujitsu room, and we just fucking work.
jim norton
Is he still fighting?
joe rogan
Tito?
Yeah, he's got a couple more fights going on.
He's think he's supposed to fight Chael Sonnen again, and he wants to fight Chuck Liddell, I think.
jim norton
Does Chuck have any interest in that?
joe rogan
Yeah, he needs that cash.
Tito used to have the sweetest setup up there.
He had crazy big log houses, like two of them, and one of them his fighters would stay in that he was training with, one of them he would stay in, and he had a whole gym set up with a full-size octagon, the whole deal.
It was pretty fucking dope.
And it was for sale for a while.
I don't know if anybody bought it, but Tito was one of the first UFC fighters to realize that.
Just fucking hit up the Big Bear, man.
Get that work in up there.
It's worth it.
jim norton
How old is Tito?
joe rogan
I would say now he's probably 37, 38. Oh, I thought he was a lot older than that.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
And you feel by going up to Big Bear?
joe rogan
Find out how old Tito Ortiz is.
jim norton
I really thought he was a lot older than that.
eddie bravo
I've been aware of him, I guess, since 2000. You know, when you do a camp up there, you feel like you've done everything right.
You've done everything you can.
So mentally, just being up there.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
eddie bravo
Mentally.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You think like, I'm up in Big Bear.
That's like, there's nowhere else to go.
That's the spot right there.
jim norton
Is that as high as you can train?
eddie bravo
I think in California.
joe rogan
It's smart.
You don't want to go any higher.
Like I said, the best guys now, most of the time, they try to work at sea level and sleep up high.
Like for endurance sports.
eddie bravo
Is that what Glovgen does?
He doesn't work out in Big Bear?
joe rogan
No, I think he works out up there too.
eddie bravo
Whatever the fuck he does.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Don't doubt that shit.
Because that guy went 100% all 12 rounds, and he wasn't tired at all at the end.
joe rogan
Well, for sure, it's definitely beneficial.
The question is, is it the maximum amount of benefit?
eddie bravo
It doesn't need to be more maximum.
joe rogan
Maybe it does.
eddie bravo
Maybe he could have had an extra burst.
unidentified
Check this out.
eddie bravo
You're right.
brendan schaub
We know what Big Bear does by watching Glovkin.
eddie bravo
Doing it the new way might be better, but who's proven that?
Let me see a fight.
Let me see a high-level fight like that.
Let me see 12 rounds like that.
Oh, you went down.
You trained at sea level and then slept.
I mean, I could see that working, but we already know what the Glovkin style works.
We already know that.
joe rogan
We know that.
It's a good point.
eddie bravo
Why fuck with it?
We know it works.
joe rogan
Because if one of them works better.
If one of them works better.
eddie bravo
I think that would be like shit.
We don't even know if that even works at all.
joe rogan
No, it does work.
They definitely know it works.
eddie bravo
Who does it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I know that they've done these studies on oxygen utilization and, you know, they do...
eddie bravo
NIST? Do they do those studies?
joe rogan
They do what's called VO2 max tests.
No, it's very clear.
Like, you could put masks on people.
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I just watched Glovkin against Canelo, and I saw his ass.
eddie bravo
I wouldn't change shit.
I wouldn't go, you know what?
This might be better.
joe rogan
Imagine if he had 10% more endurance, and he stopped Canelo.
And Canelo trains at sea level, which is interesting.
brendan schaub
I don't think it had anything to do with endurance.
joe rogan
I think Canelo is just tough.
jim norton
No, it's because of that woman.
That's what you had to do.
eddie bravo
Canelo had incredible cardio, but Glovekin's cardio was clearly better because Canelo was dropping back.
He couldn't keep the pressure.
He wanted to rest a little bit.
Glovekin was clearly in better shape.
joe rogan
What is on Kamaru Usman's shirt?
What are all those little gold things?
unidentified
Those are lions?
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter.
As long as it's gold, man.
That's all that matters.
joe rogan
Gold lions?
Look at those glasses.
I hope they're not even real glasses.
I like those glasses.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
Those are some dope glasses.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
I hope they're just dope, clear lenses.
jim norton
My cardio is so fucking terrible.
I can't do 10 minutes on a treadmill.
joe rogan
You can do 10 minutes on a treadmill.
You've got to start at 4, and then work your way up to 5, and then eventually 6. Dude, I'm so tired.
jim norton
This is the apnea.
I walk up the steps, and I'm like, ugh, I shouldn't be feeling this.
It's fucking awful.
joe rogan
You gotta do something about that.
jim norton
I know.
I might get the surgery again and then go with the mat.
Because Matt keeps telling me, take jiu-jitsu!
But I'm exhausted all the time.
I really want to take it, but it's like that weird...
joe rogan
That sucks, dude.
jim norton
Yeah, it's fucking awful.
joe rogan
Sleep apnea is rough.
It's a rough thing, man.
Yours is all fucked up, too, because it's like central nervous system stuff, right?
It's not...
jim norton
It's both kinds.
unidentified
Both kinds.
jim norton
My fucking blows.
joe rogan
Speaking of which, let's wrap this bitch up.
I gotta head to the comedy store.
eddie bravo
Can I leave a couple dates?
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
eddie bravo
October 10th, Tuesday, October 10th at the Ice House, we're doing me and Sam Tripoli tinfoil hat comedy.
We're gonna just make fun of comedy conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
Oh, you're doing his podcast?
Is that what it is?
He's doing it live?
eddie bravo
No, no, it's a comedy show.
Comedy show at the Ice House.
brendan schaub
There's nothing but conspiracy theory themes.
joe rogan
Oh, you know he's got that podcast, Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Show.
eddie bravo
No, exactly.
brendan schaub
That's why we called it that.
eddie bravo
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
What's the date again?
eddie bravo
Tuesday, October 10th.
brendan schaub
October 22nd, EBI 13, Gary Tonin, the lightweights.
We're going to have Richie Boogeyman doing a four-man combat jiu-jitsu.
And then November 12th is Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1 with Tonin.
Again, he's fighting three weeks before that without strikes.
eddie bravo
And then Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1, Gary Tonin's going to fight with palm strikes.
We're going to do the same thing.
A lot of them.
brendan schaub
Mac Danzig's doing it.
eddie bravo
Diego Brandao's doing it.
Cole Miller's doing it.
brendan schaub
Wagner Rocha's doing it.
eddie bravo
AJ Agazarma's doing it.
Nathan Orchard.
Dude, it's going to be fucking nuts.
Jiu-jitsu with palm strikes.
joe rogan
That's a crazy lineup.
That's your lineup?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What date is that again?
eddie bravo
That's Sunday, November 12th.
We're doing it at the Florentine Gardens.
joe rogan
People aren't going to remember the date, but what's the website where they can go check out all of it?
eddie bravo
On Instagram, at Combat JJ Worlds.
joe rogan
Combat JJ Worlds.
jim norton
I got my tour kneeling room only.
Starts September 22nd in Seattle, and then I just go all the way through February up doing every major city.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you're an animal.
What are you doing?
Just trying to get tired?
jim norton
Um, no, I would love to do another special, man.
I gotta do something.
I can't, you know, I feel worthless enough when I'm working, much less when I'm not, so I gotta just keep busy.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
jim norton
So, jimnorton.com for dates.
joe rogan
Alright, fuckers, let's sit.
Goodnight, everybody.
Bye!
unidentified
Goodbye.
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