June 26, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Hey everybody, what the fuck's going on? | ||
| I should probably put my headphones on. | ||
| I'm freaking myself out. | ||
| I can't hear myself. | ||
| Thanks, everybody. | ||
| Came to Minneapolis and Indianapolis the first weekend of the big fat tour. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| This weekend, I'm at the Icy, the Ice House in Pasadena, but it's sold out. | ||
| And then next weekend on Friday night, I'm at the Ka Theater at the MGM. | ||
| And then the next weekend is sold out in Utah. | ||
| And the next dates that are available are Sacramento, Seattle, and San Diego. | ||
| All three of those I added second shows. | ||
| I think the first shows are sold out, but there's some tickets available for the second show. | ||
| JoeRogan.net forward slash tour. | ||
| And it looks like what I'm going to try to do is do another Netflix special at the end of this. | ||
| The tour goes on into December. | ||
| And then I'm thinking when that's done, I'll know exactly where to go and when. | ||
| But as of this weekend, I'm feeling good. | ||
| I'm ready to rock. | ||
| And six months from now, I'll be fucking primed. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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| My guest today is an interesting individual. | ||
| He's a very wise man, very smart guy, also very aggressive, very aggressive with his ideas. | ||
| He has a very popular YouTube channel. | ||
| And man, when I tell you that I got bombarded by people that wanted me to have him on the podcast, I mean fucking bombarded. | ||
| And he did my friend Dave Rubin's podcast, who's also been a guest on this podcast many times. | ||
| And Dave recommended him. | ||
| And we had a wonderful chat. | ||
| A Few things we didn't totally agree on, but I really enjoyed talking to him. | ||
| And I hope you enjoy it as well. | ||
| Give it up for Sargon of Akkad. | ||
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan experience. | ||
| Train my day! | ||
| Joe Rogan podcast by night all day! | ||
| Free Kekistan? | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| I meant to wear it at the panel yesterday, but I actually was late and I forgot. | ||
| Yeah, what we're talking about here, folks, is he has a free Kekistan shirt. | ||
| And I just learned about this very recently from Jordan Peterson. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he loves it. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| I didn't know what the deal with the frog was. | ||
| Do you know that you can't have the frog now? | ||
| What is it on iTunes? | ||
| Apple iTunes won't let you use the frog. | ||
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It's great. | |
| What the fuck, people? | ||
| What is Apple doing? | ||
| It's a frog. | ||
| It's a cartoon frog. | ||
| So Hillary Clinton denounced it. | ||
| She denounced the frog? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| She said something about deplorables. | ||
| What did she say about the frog? | ||
| Oh, it was part of an article on her website. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| They were saying how this cartoon frog is a hate symbol. | ||
| It's like you're ridiculous. | ||
| You're fucking idiot. | ||
| I mean, come on, let's get it. | ||
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It's a frog. | |
| This is the best bit about the internet. | ||
| We can make them look ridiculous. | ||
| Well, they look ridiculous on their own. | ||
| I mean, it's they. | ||
| We're saying they, right? | ||
| We're already like doing the bad thing, lumping people into these groups. | ||
| Yeah, a mythical way. | ||
| But it is a weird thing that they don't understand. | ||
| Like, whoever gets upset at this does not understand how preposterous it is to freak out about a frog. | ||
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And who the fuck is over at Apple? | |
| First of all, what about the poor bastard that made Pepe the frog for totally non-Kekistan, non-red pill reasons? | ||
| This poor bastard just had this cartoon frog that he made, feels bad, man, you know? | ||
| And then all of a sudden, that poor guy has to say, I'm killing off Pepe. | ||
| And then the internet's like, bitch, you're not killing off shit. | ||
| Nobody knows who you are, but everyone knows who Pepe is. | ||
| You can't kill off something like that. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's silly to think that he could have achieved it, isn't it? | ||
| Well, everybody's so, well, it's almost like they have to denounce it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, otherwise they'll get lumped in with a supporter. | ||
| Like, he probably does think that he's a, people think he's a supporter. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Well, I don't think they do. | ||
| I think he's like, oh, you know, I don't know what's going on, so I want to stay out of it. | ||
| But I haven't really looked into that too much. | ||
| It's weird, man, because like, you know, people think they're being shadow banned. | ||
| Like, Scott Adams had a big post the other day where he said he's being shadow banned. | ||
| Probably is. | ||
| Yeah, but he said he talked to Jack at Twitter, and Jack said there's no shadow banning. | ||
| I talked to Jack. | ||
| Oh, shut up, Jack. | ||
| We know they're shadow banning. | ||
| This is Sargon speaking. | ||
| Jack's full of shit. | ||
| Right, Jack, we know they're shit. | ||
| Do you think Jack's full of shit? | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| Why the fuck haven't I been verified? | ||
| Jack? | ||
| Tell me, Jack. | ||
| Why haven't I been verified? | ||
| What's your excuse? | ||
| He's probably super busy with the 400 billion people that are on Twitter. | ||
| Probably super full of shit. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| So have you tried to get verified? | ||
| Three times, and every time they've just denied why. | ||
| I mean, what is it? | ||
| Don't have enough. | ||
| How many followers do you have? | ||
| 200,000. | ||
| There are a bunch of party accounts about me. | ||
| My fans need to know who I am on Twitter. | ||
| Don't you think that's the reason for verification, Jack? | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Because if you were on a television show, it would be expected that you would be verified by now. | ||
| With that kind of following, that's a giant following. | ||
| And you're seeing that. | ||
| 230,000 on YouTube something? | ||
| Yeah, that's a lot of people. | ||
| Seems worth verifying me for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| It's a badger status, which is why they de-verified Milo. | ||
| I mean, that's the most ridiculous one. | ||
| De-verifying someone. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| That proves it. | ||
| How do you verify someone and then de-verify? | ||
| It's not Milo anymore, is it, Jack? | ||
| That's the guy. | ||
| Yeah, you're a fucking liar. | ||
| You know it's a badger status. | ||
| You know you're doing it to create some sort of privileged class on Twitch. | ||
| I mean, they even get like a different function, don't they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where you can only see through other verified. | ||
| Hell, every account on Twitter should be verified. | ||
| Yeah, that is a thing you do, right? | ||
| You're allowed to only see accounts that are verified. | ||
| Yeah, it's a privilege. | ||
| And he took it away from Milo to punish him for being a dissident. | ||
| And he won't verify me to punish me for being a dissident. | ||
| And he knows it. | ||
| This is a strange. | ||
| You're fucking balls deep in this, dude. | ||
| I feel it. | ||
| You're very emotionally invested in all this. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's because I've never had to play the game. | ||
| I'm where I am now entirely on my own merits. | ||
| I've never had any industry connections. | ||
| I've never been to America before. | ||
| I've never spoken to any of these people. | ||
| They all knew who I am, and they're all afraid of me. | ||
| They're all afraid of you though. | ||
| Because if I can do it, anyone can do it. | ||
| Why do you think it's fear? | ||
| Why do you think it's fear? | ||
| Because we don't need them. | ||
| Well, you definitely don't need them. | ||
| No one needs anybody anymore. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But that's a good thing. | ||
| But you can't create a system of privilege without interdependent connections. | ||
| There is no system of privilege if you don't have to rely on other people to maintain a privileged class. | ||
| If you don't have to maintain a privileged class and you don't have to rely on other people, then their status goes away. | ||
| Let's break this down for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about. | ||
| Your... | ||
| That's your actual name, right? | ||
| Was that cool? | ||
| Are you dead naming me? | ||
| Are you doxxing me? | ||
| I am doxing you. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| But you've already been doxed. | ||
| We were discussing this. | ||
| Now, your YouTube account, you have great videos. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Really great commentary. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And how did you get involved? | ||
| I mean, are you like, what is this? | ||
| Are you an alt-right guy? | ||
| No. | ||
| You're not, right? | ||
| Yeah, the alt-right is an identitarian movement for white people. | ||
| They're heavily nationalist, protectionist, anti-interventionist. | ||
| They're not like laissez-faire free market capitalists. | ||
| I'm a liberal. | ||
| I'm like an English liberal, as in I want universal rights, laissez-faire capitalism. | ||
| I don't mind, I mean, socialized healthcare and a welfare state I'm happy with as long as it's universal, as long as it doesn't just apply to some, as long as anyone could access it if they needed to. | ||
| Just universal rights for all. | ||
| I can't see a reason to discriminate against someone when it comes to dealing with rights. | ||
| Well, who's defining alt-right? | ||
| Has it been clearly defined? | ||
| No. | ||
| Because it's so new. | ||
| It's actually relatively well defined now because the alt-right have asserted themselves. | ||
| They said, look, no, we're for white people. | ||
| We're pro-white right. | ||
| But who's saying that? | ||
| Which guys? | ||
| Well, like, you know, it's like Ramsey Paul or Richard Spencer. | ||
| But as soon as someone like that says they're alt-right, then everybody else just assumes that they allows them to define it. | ||
| Because I think there's probably a lot of people who consider themselves alt-right where they were right-wing, but they weren't racist. | ||
| They weren't a right supremacist. | ||
| They just didn't like this old man right that was there before. | ||
| I think they call themselves the alt-light. | ||
| I don't know whether that's a term of disparagement or not, or the new right or something like that. | ||
| But the thing is, I don't run in these circles, so I actually don't really know very much about those guys, like the Paul Joseph Watsons and Senoviches. | ||
| I don't find them particularly offensive. | ||
| I just find them to be like a modern form of conservatism. | ||
| I think Paul Joseph Watson is a very reasonable guy. | ||
| He's very articulate. | ||
| He seems pretty smart. | ||
| He does the opposite of what the media does. | ||
| That's not a criticism. | ||
| But he makes good points. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| About a lot of things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I think it's necessary for him to exist. | ||
| Because they both create narratives. | ||
| And it's not that these narratives aren't true. | ||
| It's just that sometimes these narratives sometimes leave things out, but not always. | ||
| This isn't like a condemnation of either side by saying this. | ||
| This is just what they do. | ||
| And that's okay. | ||
| You know, everyone's entitled to create their own sort of, and I'm going to use the word propaganda, but again, I'm not using it in a derogatory sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you're like, look, I want to make this point. | ||
| I don't want to make your point, you know, because you're making your point. | ||
| I'm going to make my point. | ||
| And these two points will both stand in existence and will both be true at the same time. | ||
| And so it's okay for Paul Joseph Watson to exist. | ||
| You know, it's fine. | ||
| I don't have a problem with him. | ||
| I don't really have any criticisms of him, to be honest. | ||
| Otherwise, other than, you know, I mean, I wouldn't do what he's doing. | ||
| What is he doing that you wouldn't do? | ||
| He goes a bit harder than I would. | ||
| And I don't think he is as objective as I would prefer out of the news source. | ||
| I prefer someone more like Philly D. Isn't that an interesting thing? | ||
| The objectivity. | ||
| This is a real problem when it comes to left versus right or any of these groups. | ||
| You get lumped into these categories and then you start defending your turf. | ||
| And that seems to be a huge issue today. | ||
| Everybody just sort of digs their heels in the sand and decides this is who I am. | ||
| And you start using they and them, which is why I try to avoid that. | ||
| The bad guys. | ||
| Yeah, they. | ||
| And they what they want, what the left wants. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's really tough, actually, because I've actually done like channel where I've actually polled my subscribers and stuff. | ||
| And I got like it was a year ago, but my content hasn't really changed tenor. | ||
| And I got like tens of thousands of responses. | ||
| So it's a really good sample size. | ||
| And most of most of my subscribers are center left liberals who just lost. | ||
| You know, they're not identitarians. | ||
| They don't want to sit there and go, you know, I mean, I was at Vicon and they had so many panels. | ||
| They're like, let me talk about me being a Latinx. | ||
| Let me talk about me being a Latina. | ||
| And it's like a Latinx. | ||
| A Latinx. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Non-binary Latina. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| No, I'm not joking. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm not making this up. | ||
| I'm not joking. | ||
| I wouldn't. | ||
| I wouldn't make anything up and I won't lie to you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm absolutely serious. | ||
| But the thing is, what really annoys me about identity politics, right? | ||
| And when they're like, let me tell you about my identity. | ||
| It's like, look, dude, that's none of my fucking business. | ||
| I don't care about your fucking identity. | ||
| Do not tell me how you identify. | ||
| It's not my problem. | ||
| It's not my business. | ||
| It's not political. | ||
| And if you want to make it political, I'm just going to tell you to shut up and fuck off. | ||
| Because I don't care. | ||
| Hey, Joe. | ||
| Let me tell you. | ||
| You think it's just indulgent? | ||
| Yeah, of course it is. | ||
| Let me tell you about my white identity. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| See? | ||
| I told you. | ||
| Latino A versus Latin X versus Latin E. Which word best solves Spanish gender problem? | ||
| Really addressing the hard-hitting issues here. | ||
| Jesus, Rachel, Richard, Reichard. | ||
| Reichard. | ||
| Did I say her name? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Reichard. | ||
| Reichard. | ||
| Reichard, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What word best solves Spanish's gender? | ||
| What? | ||
| What gender problem? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They've made up all this crap. | ||
| All it is is talking about themselves. | ||
| They're not talking about real problems. | ||
| Is this what happens when you have too many vaccines? | ||
| I think this is what happens when you have too much money. | ||
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Yeah, people are just too, it's too easy to get by. | |
| This is a symptom of affluenza. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're thinking, hey, people give a shit what I think of my own genitals. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| Yeah, unless you're sticking them in my face, I really don't give a fuck. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But then that's an interpersonal thing. | ||
| That's not like a political problem. | ||
| No, it's not a political problem. | ||
| Well, I mean, the politics of human interaction, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a little bit of that. | ||
| The thing that annoys me most is when they say, let me tell you about my blackness. | ||
| And I'm like, what the hell do you mean by your blackness? | ||
| And they're like, well, me as a black person, you're going to start stereotyping yourself, aren't you? | ||
| You're going to give me a stereotype of black people. | ||
| And then you're going to say, this is somehow representative, not only you, but other people. | ||
| But then you're validating Richard Spencer when he says, hey, can I talk to you about my whiteness? | ||
| What's your argument? | ||
| Say no. | ||
| You're not allowed to do that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But why not? | ||
| What's wonderful? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| You're talking to me about your blackness. | ||
| I'll talk about my whiteness. | ||
| And all of a sudden, we're going to both realize, you know, we're just talking about ourselves. | ||
| We're just talking about ourselves. | ||
| Why don't we talk about something real? | ||
| Did you see that woman, the Delaware professor, who was talking about that kid that got killed in North Korea, the kid who stole the propaganda poster? | ||
| I know about the kid. | ||
| I haven't seen the professor talking about it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Well, she just got fired today. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Luckily, yeah. | ||
| Which is nice. | ||
| It's a good sign. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But what she had said is essentially he had it coming and that she's tired of rich, clueless, rich, clueless white people who come to her class. | ||
| And then she just goes on this series of straw men who do coke and have no problem raping a girl at a frat party. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Where did that come from? | ||
| This guy just got beaten to death in Korea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He didn't come. | |
| He shouldn't have raped girls at frat parties. | ||
| He didn't rape anybody. | ||
| Of course he didn't. | ||
| There's no evidence he did coke. | ||
| Like, this fucking bitch. | ||
| Geez. | ||
| No one should go find. | ||
| Well, she's apparently, you know, she's racist. | ||
| She's racist towards white people. | ||
| I mean, you can be that. | ||
| And that's one of the wonderful things about the social justice warrior movement is that they've made it so it's impossible to be racist towards white people. | ||
| They believe it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is a real belief. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That if you are a white person, you're a person of privilege. | ||
| And racism is something that a person of privilege does to a person in a compromised group. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you know what's really funny about it? | ||
| Is they, by saying it's a power plus prejudice, they make it, they say, right, it's institutional. | ||
| I say, okay, but that means you're taking away the word for interpersonal racism so if like an Asian guy goes up to a black guy and says hey N-word that can't be racism because he doesn't have institutional power and there is no word for racism between individuals now you've redefined it to be institutional so what is the word for interpersonal yeah it's like that old chris rock bit about for every black dude thinks he's tough. | ||
| There's a Native American waiting to kick his ass. | ||
| A more marginalized group. | ||
| It's just, it is one of those things where it's like people are seeking problems, and they're also seeking to clearly identify themselves as being from a more compromised group. | ||
| Politics of victimhood. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I'm the victim here. | ||
| Give me some special treatment. | ||
| It's like, dude, I don't want to be a victim. | ||
| How do you feel about transracialism? | ||
| I think that there's no logical argument against that. | ||
| Do you think you can identify as an Eskimo? | ||
| As far as they're concerned, you can. | ||
| There was a big hoo-ha in academia recently because someone published a paper, I can't remember the name of the person, published a paper saying, well, look, what's the argument against this? | ||
| If you can identify as another gender, why can't you identify as another race? | ||
| Same logic, just apply to a different not necessarily because the argument of you identifying with another gender could be based on some sort of hormonal issue or some neurotransmitter misfire. | ||
| There could be something that could be physically. | ||
| There could be, if any of their arguments were hinging on the idea that that mattered, but it's not. | ||
| They say, well, you can identify as anything you want because it's all a social construct. | ||
| So you can do whatever you want with it. | ||
| Yeah, that's where it gets slippery, right? | ||
| Where it gets really slippery is that sex and gender are social constructs. | ||
| It's like, well, clearly that's not true. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Actually, it is true. | ||
| They are social constructs. | ||
| But the thing is, they're not... | ||
| It's not a social construct. | ||
| Biological sex is based on your chromosomes. | ||
| But your gender is a group of constructed behaviors around that. | ||
| But it's constructed for a good reason. | ||
| Men have got, you know, clearly got a superior natural advantage in things like strength and speed over women. | ||
| And women need protection when they are, say, pregnant. | ||
| You know, when they're looking after kids. | ||
| They need society to look after them because they have something that needs protecting. | ||
| And so we've got a whole, and each society, the reason you can tell that these are actually social constructs is because every society is different. | ||
| I mean, in Saudi Arabia, the men walk in front, the women walk behind, and they keep their heads down and get, shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's a social construct. | ||
| That's a gender role, you know? | ||
| Right, but that's a cultural role. | ||
| Yeah, of course, but this is still a gender role, and that's my point. | ||
| You know, for us, we don't do that. | ||
| But it's not necessarily. | ||
| It's not like a social construct, meaning that this is something that occurs all the time, even in primates. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of behavior that males exhibit in nature. | ||
| Oh, I'm not saying there's no relation to biology, but how is it a social construct? | ||
| Well, it's a behavior that we have. | ||
| It's not like something that's consistent. | ||
| Like, you know, all men pithra, the dicks, is not a social construct, right? | ||
| Every man on earth does this, but not every woman on earth has to walk behind her man silently 10 paces back because she's female, right? | ||
| In the West, it's actually, you know, the other way. | ||
| You know, the man opens the door, the woman goes forth. | ||
| There's a gender role, but it's not the same. | ||
| So it can be changed. | ||
| It is a social construct, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a gender role. | ||
| There is always a gender role. | ||
| It's always informed by biology because men and women are fundamentally different and they always will be. | ||
| Well, that's where people get slippery with you, right? | ||
| That's where they like it that way. | ||
| They like it that way. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Who's the one feminist? | ||
| There's one really nutty young lady who was saying that even physical strength is just because men are encouraged to do physical things. | ||
| Hey, are you referring to a one any Sarkeesian? | ||
| Is that her? | ||
| She's definitely said that. | ||
| Did she say that? | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| I know she's loony, but did she go that far? | ||
| There is a school of feminist thought that thinks this. | ||
| Oh, that's a fun one. | ||
| So they literally believe that the physical strength differences between men and women are just because of the way society treats women. | ||
| Men are socialised to do sports. | ||
| She really thinks that? | ||
| She said it. | ||
| I don't know whether she believes that. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| It's from a video from like 2013 or something. | ||
| She seems quite the opportunist. | ||
| Well. | ||
| Isn't she on the Trust and Verify Galactic Council for Twitter? | ||
| She certainly was, which is probably one of the other reasons Jack... | ||
| You say she certainly was. | ||
| Is she still? | ||
| I don't know whether she's still, but I know that she certainly was at least a contact for them. | ||
| But there's been a bit of an interesting development with Miss Sarkeesian, if you'd like to hear about it. | ||
| Well, tell people who she is. | ||
| I don't even know if I need to. | ||
| Most people don't know. | ||
| You live in a very insulated world. | ||
| If I ask my mom who know, but people are familiar with the female feminist frequency. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course your mum won't know. | ||
| Okay, Niss Sarkeesian is an internet feminist who decided after making a bunch of videos on her YouTube channel in like 2009 through to like 2010 or something, 12, she ended up getting a sort of, you know, favourable reception with the progressive intelligentsia, who are very feminist, very pro-social justice. | ||
| And they liked her patter because it's pretty stock, pretty stock in trade. | ||
| And she came across as being very respectable. | ||
| She's well-presented. | ||
| She's attractive. | ||
| She's well-spoken. | ||
| She knows her patter. | ||
| And so they promote her. | ||
| They made a big deal out of her. | ||
| She sounds like a total bigot when she's talking about anything. | ||
| A bigot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Because she'll just say, well, this is men. | ||
| I mean, the whole premise of feminism is that men are oppressing women. | ||
| And if men aren't oppressing women, then feminism has no argument. | ||
| And they also have a sort of thing they say to each other, where you have the right to hate your oppressor. | ||
| It's right to do this. | ||
| And it's like, okay, but I don't think it's ever a right to hate, even if you are being oppressed. | ||
| This is something that she said personally? | ||
| Not her personally. | ||
| She probably has said it personally, but this is the sort of ideological thought. | ||
| I mean, if you read their papers, if you read... | ||
| They're doing that they-them thing again, right? | ||
| That's what we're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, we are talking about a specific sphere of academic feminists. | ||
| In her case, sex-negative. | ||
| Sex negative. | ||
| Yeah, they don't like objectification. | ||
| They don't like sexy women and titties. | ||
| Sex negative? | ||
| Yeah, they don't like sexy women. | ||
| The male gaze is oppressing women. | ||
| Laura Croft, Tomb Raider. | ||
| Doggy. | ||
| That was part of the big issue, right? | ||
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It was like sex oppression because of Laura Croft. | |
| Terrible, terrible oppression. | ||
| I don't know how women can get over it. | ||
| But Anit Sarkeesian stepped up and was like, you know what? | ||
| It's wrong to look at these tits. | ||
| And everyone was like, but she's wearing a really tight top for a reason, and she's not real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, so basically, Anit Sarkeesian comes from a school of sex-negative feminism and she decided that she would take advantage of all this. | ||
| Now in 2010 there was a video, I think it was 2010, that the video was recorded in black and white of her in a university giving a speech where she says, I'm not a gamer. | ||
| I had to learn a lot about gaming to get into all this. | ||
| And then come 2012, I mean, but that video wasn't released until after she did her tropes versus women in gaming Kickstarter. | ||
| 2012, May 2012, she starts this Kickstarter and within the first few days, she starts posting updates on that. | ||
| I'm being harassed. | ||
| It's like, well, yeah, people generally react negatively to phenomenal bigots on the internet. | ||
| They don't like it. | ||
| People don't like it. | ||
| I mean, like when you say men are oppressing women and everything she says is a variant of men are oppressing women. | ||
| You know, the male gaze is highly oppressive to women. | ||
| Toxic masculinity is highly oppressive to women. | ||
| Okay, when can men legitimately look at women, Anita? | ||
| No answer. | ||
| What is non-toxic masculinity? | ||
| There's no such thing. | ||
| So what you're saying is masculinity and men checking out chicks is just bad and you hate it and the men are all bad for doing this and they're oppressing the women when they're doing this. | ||
| Well, that's why I said it seems like she's a bit of an opportunist. | ||
| She's got an angle and she realizes that there's a lot of attention that goes towards that angle and she runs with it. | ||
| I mean, if I turned around and said all women are a bunch of manipulative slags who will take your money and run, they'd be like, you're a fucking mistaken. | ||
| All right, but I got to stop you there because I don't think she's ever said all men. | ||
| I don't think she said that. | ||
| She just uses the term men. | ||
| But I don't think she does. | ||
| I mean, I really don't think she says she has that guy as her fucking head guy who writes for her. | ||
| Well, McIntosh. | ||
| No, she fired him years ago. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What is he doing now? | ||
| Nothing, basically. | ||
| This terrible thing. | ||
| But I want to set the record strain, if you think, because this is something that really annoys me. | ||
| So I went to VidCon recently. | ||
| VidCon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| YouTube convention in Anaheim. | ||
| Sounds like a good time. | ||
| It was a really good time for me, but it wasn't for them. | ||
| Their panels look like a bloody death march. | ||
| When they spotted us sitting in the crowd, their faces look, oh, God. | ||
| Why, they get upset at you? | ||
| Yeah, just because we sat there listening to what they had to say. | ||
| In fact, have you not heard about this? | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| I'm insulated. | ||
| Oh, dude, this is crazy. | ||
| So, Anita Sarkeesian, she spots me sitting in the audience, and then she starts freaking out. | ||
| Freaking out. | ||
| Yeah, she starts saying things like, there's a constant harasser of mine calling me, you know, she called me a shithead. | ||
| She called me a garbage human. | ||
| A garbage human? | ||
| I did nothing to her. | ||
| I didn't say a word. | ||
| just sat in the audience while she's there cussing me out on the stage. | ||
| And this was because you have made videos about her? | ||
| Is that what I'm saying? | ||
| Well, this is because I've made videos debunking her points. | ||
| Like, and she's under the impression that all of my videos are about her. | ||
| And I actually, on the ride over, I got people to counter up for me. | ||
| I've made around 30 videos in about four years, referring to her. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It sounds like a lot. | ||
| But that's less than 4% of the videos I've made. | ||
| I've made 780 videos. | ||
| I work hard. | ||
| I'm sure you do, but that's still 30 videos. | ||
| I don't care if you've made 100 million videos. | ||
| You still make 30 videos about her. | ||
| I don't think that's a large number. | ||
| Maybe it's a large number compared to an eater who hardly does any bloody work. | ||
| But that's another interesting point. | ||
| But what's interesting about it is if someone puts something out there, you're going to expect that someone is going to come along, especially a guy like you, that is very opinionated. | ||
| And if someone has very different opinions than yours, you're going to have a contrary point. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That's definitely not harassing. | ||
| It better not be. | ||
| Well, it can't be. | ||
| We're in a scary position if that's terrifying. | ||
| So how are you harassing? | ||
| What was the thing? | ||
| What's the worst thing you've ever said about her? | ||
| That she's wrong. | ||
| Yeah, well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you will never find someone who says she's a good critic. | ||
| She's a terrible critic, and she always has been. | ||
| It's always been rightly pointed out to her that she's cherry-picked every time. | ||
| No one stands by her work. | ||
| She's become like a symbol of feminism because of all the harassment she's received. | ||
| That is a part of the problem, right? | ||
| That victim culture. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| You don't get any props unless someone's sending you horrible messages. | ||
| And then a lot of people have been caught doing it to themselves, which is really fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, loads, like the Black Lives Matter activists and whatnot. | ||
| But yeah, so basically, her work sucks. | ||
| It's just bad work. | ||
| I mean, nobody in the video game industry would turn around and say, you know what, that's great criticism, Nita. | ||
| Only like the progressive press. | ||
| What Black Lives Matter? | ||
| Oh, it was ages ago at protests. | ||
| They basically had run around into the university's compute system, logged into a fake Twitter account or something, sent themselves a bomb threat, and the police tracked it down and they were like, we have the video camera footage of you doing this video. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was actually really funny. | ||
| But yeah, people are so funny with their need to be a victim. | ||
| Well, it validates them. | ||
| Yeah, it really does. | ||
| When you don't have an argument, you need to be a victim. | ||
| Well, does she expect that somehow or another she's going to be able to put these points out and not have anybody dispute these points? | ||
| Well, I'm guessing so. | ||
| And she always conflates all criticism with harassment. | ||
| She's never addressed a critic before. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And the first time she addresses a critic, it's me and she's calling me names. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good idea. | ||
| That's not very mature. | ||
| Yeah, it's not very good. | ||
| She says that I'm responsible for all of the harassment. | ||
| All of it? | ||
| Well, at least. | ||
| It's definitely not hers. | ||
| It's not her fault. | ||
| If you have a controversial opinion and someone disputes it, that person who disputes it is responsible for all the harassment. | ||
| Yeah, well, basically, I've always said, right from the get-go, don't ever contact them. | ||
| Don't ever contact them because for a start, I mean, they don't want to listen. | ||
| She's not interested in hearing your fucking opinion. | ||
| So don't bother. | ||
| She's got nothing but contempt for you. | ||
| But secondly, don't send her harassment because A, it's immoral. | ||
| And B, she's got the victim card that gives her money. | ||
| When you send her a message saying, hey, Nita, I think you're a bitch. | ||
| She goes, cha-ching, you know, and then she runs off to the next interview where she gets paid. | ||
| I mean, some of her speeches at university, she's been paid 20 grand a speech. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I'm not joking, right? | ||
| And it's just, and for her to go, the internet's being mean to me. | ||
| Well, maybe if you weren't being a bigger online, they wouldn't be. | ||
| Maybe if you actually did some solid work and didn't say video games are making everyone sexist, which they're obviously not, this wouldn't be happening to you. | ||
| But the thing that pisses me off most about the accusations towards me of harassment, apart from the fact that I've never harassed her, and if there was any evidence I'd harassed her, it'd be all over the internet right now. | ||
| You know, I mean, it would be nothing but Twitter. | ||
| Of course, you know, because they're trying to paint me as a harasser when I'm actually just a critic of hers. | ||
| And I've always been completely against it. | ||
| But what really annoys me is that her Kickstarter, if you look at it now, if you go to it, you can pull it up now and you can see tropes versus women and like, you know, she's got a spiel and then, oh, the terrible messages, the harassment, the harassment. | ||
| That was in May 2012. | ||
| I didn't make a video on YouTube until July 2013. | ||
| This has been happening to her whole career. | ||
| It's nothing to do with me. | ||
| It's to do with her. | ||
| It's because she's a dick. | ||
| And everyone can see it. | ||
| And you can call a girl a dick, like you can call a guy a pussy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm calling her a dick. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You're a dick, Anita. | ||
| Everyone knows you're a dick. | ||
| He looked into the camera. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's harassment. | ||
| Do you want to know something? | ||
| I've spoken to a lot of interesting people recently since I've been here. | ||
| A lot of people who know you personally, Anita, and they say everyone hates you because you're a dick. | ||
| Oh, this is getting mean. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| You should have seen the article she put up about me today. | ||
| Another one? | ||
| Well, yeah, just calling me a harasser, calling me all this stuff. | ||
| It's like, no, you're a dick, Anita. | ||
| You're just being a dick. | ||
| Did you find a video of her saying that there's no biological difference between the sexes and that men's strength? | ||
| It'll be buried in the middle of the video. | ||
| I really think that it was her now that I'm thinking about this. | ||
| I've looked at it. | ||
| Maybe she took it down or something because I remember seeing it. | ||
| And I wish I'd saved it. | ||
| Someone's got to save it. | ||
| Someone's got to save it. | ||
| Someone on the internet will be able to tweet at us or something. | ||
| But that is so hilarious because it's so contrary to biology, just actual science. | ||
| Everything she says is contrary to reality. | ||
| I mean, she'll sit there and she'll pick out like the game Hitman. | ||
| In her video, she said something like, you're incentivized to kill the woman and then stuff her body in a trunk. | ||
| And the footage she's using, which she didn't take herself, obviously, and didn't credit whoever took it. | ||
| In the footage she's using, you see, like the guy go up and kill the girl. | ||
| You see them lose points. | ||
| It's like, no, that's a disincentivization. | ||
| You know, they're not incentivizing you. | ||
| They're saying they're penalizing you for this, Anita. | ||
| I mean, I thought, my very first video was to Anita as well. | ||
| Your very first video. | ||
| Yeah, it was terrible. | ||
| In like July 2013. | ||
| And I... | ||
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| You were inspired. | ||
| Well, kind of. | ||
| But there was a lot of things that kind of, you know, that were going on. | ||
| I was like, you know, I feel the need to say something. | ||
| But apart from the quality being terrible, I'm bewildered at her. | ||
| I listened to it the other day and I was just like, wow, I had no idea what was going on. | ||
| And I was just like, look, Anita, I think you're just wrong on this. | ||
| I don't think you understand. | ||
| Like, there is a lot to this that you've left out. | ||
| I should have said cherry-picked, but you know. | ||
| And that's something that's dogged her whole career because that's all she's ever done. | ||
| Her criticism is terrible and everyone knows it. | ||
| Nobody likes her because she's a divisive bitch. | ||
| And all she does is play the victim. | ||
| She's got nothing. | ||
| She has nothing. | ||
| And all she does is love her. | ||
| Well, let's not talk about her specifically because we're kind of beating her down here. | ||
| Well, the thing is, it's hard to think of anything genuinely good about her. | ||
| Let's not talk about her. | ||
| What I'm saying is about these ideas. | ||
| Instead of concentrating on her as a person. | ||
| They've been debunked a million times all over the internet by everyone and their mother at this point. | ||
| Well, what I want to get to, what's interesting to me, is like what causes them? | ||
| What causes these people to group up into these weird sort of echo chambers and start reiterating things that don't really work or make sense? | ||
| Like, there's no biological difference between men and women, especially when it comes to strength. | ||
| And then the tropes about video games. | ||
| And also, like, here's the other thing. | ||
| Like, when that Gamergate thing happened, it was really fascinating to me that everybody wanted to absolutely lump people in one or two categories. | ||
| And the two categories are people that are appalled to it, appalled by it, and that think that sexism is abhorrent and all this stuff is terrible. | ||
| And then the other people who supposedly, if you wanted some sexy images in video games, you had to be a piece of shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's sex negative feminists, I was talking about. | ||
| But it got into this weird category where people are like, hey, we don't want you meddling with art. | ||
| And whether it's a Frank Visetta painting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, if you look at some of Frisetta's stuff with the girls with the bikinis and I'm not familiar, but famous fantasy artist. | ||
| Oh, well, are we talking about like the 80s artists where they're beautifully painted? | ||
| It's like these oiled barbarians. | ||
| It's a celebration of the human physique at this perfect zenith. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's all Robert E. Howard's books on Conan and Frazetta was like the most famous of the Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, like with giant tits and blood all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, you know, it's silliness. | ||
| It doesn't make you hate women. | ||
| Like, that's what's gross. | ||
| Like, just like looking at Fabio in the cover of a romance novel doesn't mean you hate men. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| In fact, it seems you're kind of lionizing them. | ||
| Look, this is the perfect depiction of what the artist wanted to see like a man look like in a huge rippling hero carrying the maiden or whatever. | ||
| Right, but it becomes this weird thing when it's a man, people don't have a problem with it. | ||
| Like no one says that it demonizes the male figure and that you have set these unnatural standards, so you've fucked with the self-esteem of all these young men. | ||
| But you absolutely have in the same way you do it with women, like body shaming or, you know, having ridiculous standards for bodies for females. | ||
| That works with men too. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, of course it does. | ||
| But they don't care because feminists dichotomize the world as women being oppressed and men the oppressors, and it's okay to hate your oppressor. | ||
| That's the root of all feminist thoughts. | ||
| But that's why I want to talk about this in terms of the ideas because I think it's kind of the same thing as the right versus the left. | ||
| And I think it's all like a symptom of human psychology. | ||
| Right, the right versus the left is tribalism. | ||
| It is tribalism, but so is female versus male. | ||
| When you look at this blind allegiance towards anyone with a vagina, it's very similar to someone who has blind allegiance to anyone who's in a red state. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's true. | ||
| But the people in the red state, do they say that the blue states are oppressing them? | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, do they? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, like I said, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They hate Obama. | ||
| He's a communist. | ||
| He came from Kenya. | ||
| He wants to ruin America. | ||
| He wants to kill it from the inside. | ||
| I mean, that was the big narrative forever. | ||
| Yeah, but is that them saying he's holding them down? | ||
| Well, there was always a thing that he was holding them down with the economy or that he was holding them down with Obamacare and he was ruining so many different factors. | ||
| It makes it America. | ||
| He hates America. | ||
| It doesn't sound exactly the same to me because the feminists are essentially what is called neo-Marxists. | ||
| And they take the sort of Marxist dichotomy of the economy with the bourgeoisie oppressing the proletariat through their mere existence and their wealth and apply it to men being the bourgeoisie and women being the proletariat. | ||
| Which is highly ironic given the evidently privileged status in society women hold. | ||
| Well, that's when it got weird when everybody kept repeating that fucking wage gap thing. | ||
| That was one of the most frustrating talking points. | ||
| Even Obama. | ||
| The goddamn president of the United States on TV reiterating something that he knows is not true. | ||
| That was very frustrating. | ||
| Because I just, I feel like human beings are inclined very naturally to form a group, to stay tribal. | ||
| And then I think it works with, I think that is a part of what's happening, whether it's neo-Marxism that's connected to it or what, there's something that's happening with feminism versus masculine people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but there's no like masculinist, so I used to have to say masculine people. | ||
| There's meninists, but that's silly, though. | ||
| Yeah, that's funny. | ||
| Yeah, there's a parody of feminism. | ||
| It's like, what would you have? | ||
| Meninism? | ||
| That sounds dumb, doesn't it? | ||
| And they're like, yeah, well, then that's how feminism sounds to us. | ||
| Well, it's the most amazing thing that it's taken so long for male feminists to die off. | ||
| Like that's finally rotting away after a few of them have been outed as being creeps. | ||
| I was going to say that. | ||
| Isn't it funny? | ||
| Thank the baby Jesus they got caught because like look man, there's nothing wrong with being male and just because you're a human with a dick doesn't mean you're a bad person. | ||
| Yeah, but they think there's something wrong with being male. | ||
| Well then you know what? | ||
| They only do because they want to fuck those girls and they don't have any other way to fuck them. | ||
| Well, I mean that's probably the root of it but ultimately 100% they're both ultimately you see male feminists. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are they going to win any fights? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do they even need to shave? | ||
| Some of them do. | ||
| They have receding hairlines and fedoras and they're like maladying all over the place. | ||
| Jordan Peterson's not the best. | ||
| You said they're sneaky. | ||
| No, they definitely are. | ||
| But they're afraid of men like you. | ||
| They're never going to compete with you. | ||
| Yeah, but they don't have to. | ||
| They compete with themselves. | ||
| They don't see that that way. | ||
| They get fucked by genetics. | ||
| Some of them are. | ||
| Let me tell you, a lot of them got fucked by genetics, and so they're taking the only evolutionary strategy they've got. | ||
| You can hardly blame them. | ||
| But what they need to do is get to the lab and figure out CRISPR. | ||
| Work on re-engineering yourself to look like Thor. | ||
| Get down the fucking gym. | ||
| That's what they need to do. | ||
| Seriously, if you're a male feminist, just shut up. | ||
| Stop talking about feminism on the internet. | ||
| Look at yourself. | ||
| Go on a diet. | ||
| Go down the gym. | ||
| And in a couple of years' time, you'll be a bit bigger. | ||
| You'll be a bit thinner. | ||
| And if you're five foot one and you weigh 80 pounds, you're fucked. | ||
| Nah, just keep eating sprouts. | ||
| I've got a friend. | ||
| He's quite a short guy. | ||
| Do you know what he did? | ||
| He did martial arts. | ||
| He's a nippy little guy, and he's quite strong. | ||
| Oh, nippy, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, he can get around. | ||
| He can get around. | ||
| He's an amazing, we go like bouldering as well, climbing. | ||
| He's amazing at it. | ||
| You would not believe how unbelievable. | ||
| His girlfriend is so attractive. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| And he's so self-confident. | ||
| This guy should host a seminar. | ||
| This is how I did it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he should. | ||
| You can too. | ||
| It's just self-improvement. | ||
| You work on yourself and then things work out for you. | ||
| No, I mean, I absolutely think that that's a good thing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I understand the motivation why someone becomes a male feminist. | ||
| The word ally is one of my favorite. | ||
| Ally. | ||
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| I just love that they are now synonymous with creepy harasser. | ||
| Well, you kind of knew it all from the beginning that that was what it was going on. | ||
| Everybody knew it. | ||
| Like, especially heterosexual men. | ||
| You're like, I know what you're doing, you fucking weasel. | ||
| You know, you're putting women above all else. | ||
| One guy I read his Twitter profile and he was talking about, he goes, oh, in his Twitter post, rather, he said, I'm going to stop calling myself a feminist until feminists decide that I'm doing feminism right. | ||
| That'll make women respect you. | ||
| But the fact that he put it out on Twitter, like you put that out, like this is just like this giant white flag. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| You know, people in general, women being people, respect boundaries. | ||
| They respect people who will enforce their own boundaries. | ||
| This guy's literally said, hey, I have no boundaries. | ||
| You tell me what to do. | ||
| I'll be your slave. | ||
| No one's going to respect that. | ||
| I'll be your willing servant. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I don't know respect for that. | ||
| You're a nice douchebag. | ||
| You don't have to say, I'm going to stop saying I'm a feminist until feminists tell me I'm doing feminism right. | ||
| There's a reason that they call them cucks. | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| It's a good word. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's a good word. | ||
| I didn't know what it meant. | ||
| I thought it always meant like a cuckhold, like a porn film. | ||
| I think it kind of did originally, but now it just kind of means someone who won't stand up for themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's really good use for it. | ||
| Well, it's also not just someone who won't stand up for themselves, someone who's pandering. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Like you're pandering to the left. | ||
| You're trying to paint yourself out as being a person. | ||
| You're selling yourself out. | ||
| And hoping that the person you're selling yourself out to will treat you leniently. | ||
| See, so instead of talking about individuals, what I'm really fascinated about is the psychology behind what's going on now in this culture of free expression. | ||
| The fact that a guy like you can, not there's anything wrong with you, but I mean, a guy who's just a gentleman from England who doesn't have a connection to the media can, just by virtue of your ability to communicate and put out some YouTube videos and have some really good points, you can have this massive, massive following. | ||
| And these ideas that people are spreading back and forth, even the weird ones like the Kakistan, the frog, and all that shit. | ||
| It's just a joke. | ||
| But it's interesting to me. | ||
| It's interesting to see what happens. | ||
| What I feel like is Fox News and CNN and even major networks, especially all the ones that are trying to portray narratives, all the ones that are talking about the way life is. | ||
| They seem to me to be like these huddled up executives at the top of like a giant pile of crocodiles snapping at them. | ||
| It's like they have completely lost control over what people talk about and discuss. | ||
| It's a spire of rock and the ocean's slowly eroding its way. | ||
| Well, just 20 years ago, there was nothing there. | ||
| There was no water. | ||
| There was no crocodiles. | ||
| The only information that got out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the only information got out was through mass media. | ||
| Mass media was controlled by corporations. | ||
| And we felt like for the longest time, that was the only way. | ||
| And they still operate like that's the only way. | ||
| It's really quite fascinating. | ||
| Narrative hegemony. | ||
| Social media has demolished them. | ||
| And we're not going back. | ||
| No, it's not going back. | ||
| It's not going back. | ||
| And I think the only companies that truly understand that are internet-based companies that are trying to manage it, like whether it's YouTube or Google or even Netflix. | ||
| They understand it. | ||
| They're trying to manage it in some weird ways, though. | ||
| Like, I'm really bummed out about Netflix thumbs up versus thumbs down. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| You know what you should have? | ||
| You should have a 100% thing. | ||
| So give them one to 100. | ||
| The more range you give someone, the better. | ||
| But up and down, it's just fucking silly. | ||
| I mean, if I were going to review things, I would do it recommended, not recommended. | ||
| And it would be quite subjective to my personal taste. | ||
| It would be obviously, look, if you've been following me for a while, you know what I like. | ||
| And I'd give my reasons and I'd try and explain it as accurately and concisely and as objectively as I could so that the largest sweep of people watching the video could understand why I felt the way I did. | ||
| And so at the end of it, I'd just go, would I recommend it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, you know, your mileage might vary. | ||
| Or yeah, you've got to watch this or something like that. | ||
| You know, I'd like it. | ||
| But I hate the star system. | ||
| It's like, well, I mean, you know, it makes it sound objective when it's not really. | ||
| Well, sometimes it's objective. | ||
| You know, I mean, it can be. | ||
| It's not perfect, though. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Again, with a lot of this sort of stuff, it's about aesthetics and taste. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, I loved the movie Hardcore Henry. | ||
| I mean, I realized that I irrationally love this movie. | ||
| That was the single person. | ||
| Yeah, the first person. | ||
| The first person, yeah. | ||
| There was a lot about it that I've seen. | ||
| I never saw that. | ||
| Oh, you'll love it. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure it's like it's not for everyone. | ||
| It's for the sort of guy who's got a lizard brain who likes violence. | ||
| Lizard brain? | ||
| That's what you think about me? | ||
| No. | ||
| You were an MMA fighter. | ||
| I'm not a fighter. | ||
| You were, weren't you? | ||
| I kickboxed. | ||
| I did Taekwondo, and there was no MMA when I was fighting. | ||
| Okay, but did you enjoy fighting other people? | ||
| That's a very complicated question. | ||
| Obviously, I did. | ||
| I'm not saying did you enjoy being people up on the streets. | ||
| I did it for many years, so I... | ||
| I definitely enjoyed winning, but it is such a hardcore hammer. | ||
| It was a task. | ||
| You'll like it. | ||
| When you get past the sort of, maybe the beginning of it is more shaking than the rest of it, but when you get past the initial sort of, this is weird to look at, it's fast-paced, it's action-packed, and it definitely taps into that sort of lizard brainware. | ||
| It's the male desire to fight. | ||
| This guy, at the end of the film, he's literally in a fist brawl with like 30 other dudes, and it's the most insane. | ||
| It's all coming at him, and it's just bam, bam, bam. | ||
| Get stoned and watch it, get drunk and watch it. | ||
| It's just the best thing if you're into that sort of thing. | ||
| But if you're not into that, you won't like it at all. | ||
| You won't see it. | ||
| Sometimes I'm into that. | ||
| Like, I like John Wick. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Not always, you know, but like, you know, I like John Wick too. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| It wasn't even that good. | ||
| But it's for a certain kind of person in a certain kind of mood. | ||
| But when it hits right, it's I was just enjoying this. | ||
| This was great fun, you know. | ||
| But I appreciate it. | ||
| It was just like tapping into the primordial desire to defeat your enemies. | ||
| I just thought it was interesting that they shot it like a video game, like Quake, first-person shooter. | ||
| So this VidCon thing that you went to, who puts this together? | ||
| Hank and John Green. | ||
| And who are they? | ||
| The Vlog Brothers. | ||
| They're famous YouTubers. | ||
| And I find it very interesting. | ||
| When Anita was calling me a shithead and garbage human, that's a direct violation of their code of conduct. | ||
| And do they do anything about it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Because she's a feminist. | ||
| Because she's a specialist. | ||
| She's a woman. | ||
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Oh, because she gets special... | |
| Why does she get special treatment? | ||
| Because at this point, she's basically become the avatar of feminism. | ||
| If she fails. | ||
| Isn't that real, though? | ||
| I swear to God, didn't that make sense? | ||
| No, no, everyone hates her. | ||
| Why do they still prop her up? | ||
| Because she's an East Sarkeesian. | ||
| But she doesn't make any sense. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| There's a mythos that's built up around her. | ||
| That's a good word. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they've all propped her up. | ||
| They've all propped her up. | ||
| They've all said good things about her. | ||
| have all defended her and if it turns out that she is in fact an abuser which she did according to the vidcon code of conduct which would Oh, I can't remember it verbatim, but I read it on a video. | ||
| It's one of my latest videos. | ||
| It was just a quick message to Hank and John Green. | ||
| And I know that thousands of people emailed them saying, hey, look, she did violate your code of conduct from a position of institutional privilege at VidCon. | ||
| She was on the panel. | ||
| I didn't have a microphone. | ||
| She had a microphone. | ||
| She's calling me names. | ||
| She's accusing me of things that aren't true. | ||
| And she was doing that while you were in the audience. | ||
| Directly, looking me in the eye. | ||
| And it was like, okay, that's fine, but that's not right. | ||
| And they've done nothing. | ||
| They have done nothing. | ||
| They've said nothing. | ||
| Did you talk to her? | ||
| And then about it? | ||
| And then afterwards, all I got from her fans, and I mean like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of messages, and I've just retweeted them all night with exactly the same language she uses when she's displaying, oh, look at the nasty messages I'm getting of people calling me a garbage human, which is what she called me. | ||
| And so she has done absolutely nothing different. | ||
| And so I said, right, Hank and John, she's violated your code of conduct. | ||
| Her fans, she's incited a cyber mob of harassers exactly as she claims I do, but she has actually done this. | ||
| Then on the Saturday, she was due to be on a panel about cyber harassment. | ||
| See, but it can't be harassment when she's a woman and you're a man because you are the oppressor. | ||
| So it's the same thing as racism. | ||
| Like a black person being racist against a white person is impossible. | ||
| But the only reason to do this then, to take no action is if you are highly ideological. | ||
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And interestingly, so you feel like they're highly ideological. | |
| Oh yeah, incredibly biased. | ||
| But why are they if they're YouTube stars? | ||
| I mean, aren't they like, don't they? | ||
| They're very progressive. | ||
| Very progressive. | ||
| But you're fairly progressive, too. | ||
| No, I'm a liberal. | ||
| I'm not progressive. | ||
| What is the difference between a liberal and progressive? | ||
| A liberal wants quality of opportunity, a progressive wants quality of outcome. | ||
| Quality of outcome. | ||
| Yeah, complete night and day. | ||
| The problem with liberals and progressives. | ||
| By whose definition is that? | ||
| I've always thought progressive means that you support gay rights, you support over the rights of the rights. | ||
| That's the outcome of gays with non-gays. | ||
| They want gays to have the same rights as gays. | ||
| I mean, don't get me wrong, I want that too. | ||
| And this is what I was going to say. | ||
| There's a lot of overlapping magisteria when it comes to these things. | ||
| For example, another great word. | ||
| Magisteria? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I've never heard that before. | ||
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I've never heard that. | |
| They use that. | ||
| Areas of interest. | ||
| Things that they want to have. | ||
| Domains of the world. | ||
| It sounds so much better than areas of interest, though. | ||
| Write that down, Jamie. | ||
| Who's going to start using that one? | ||
| Magisteria. | ||
| I'm glad I've given you something. | ||
| So, yeah, basically, you know, a liberal, there's no real argument against gay rights from a liberal perspective, because liberals want universal rights. | ||
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Of course. | |
| If some people can get married, gay should be able to get married. | ||
| What's the argument? | ||
| Oh, I'm Christian. | ||
| Get fucked. | ||
| I'm an atheist. | ||
| Not an argument. | ||
| Whereas the progressives, they want it because someone else has it. | ||
| Someone else has this. | ||
| Therefore, they want this because they want it. | ||
| And by whose definition? | ||
| By theirs or yours? | ||
| Are you defining them? | ||
| That's what they define it as. | ||
| Yeah, they're the ones saying all this. | ||
| I mean, like, affirmative action is the example of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A liberal would never ask for affirmative action because in the liberal worldview, people should be free to pursue their own goals. | ||
| Now, I mean, liberals are usually very anti-racist. | ||
| That's not a category on which you would judge someone. | ||
| Same with sex. | ||
| I would never turn around and say, right, okay, well, your CV is really good. | ||
| I mean, you clean what you're doing, but you've got some tits, so get out. | ||
| That would be ridiculous. | ||
| That's not a reason to do that. | ||
| But the progressive will do that if you're a man. | ||
| The progressive will say, well, I'm sorry, we want equality. | ||
| And this is what we define equality differently as. | ||
| I call it equality of opportunity. | ||
| They call it equality of outcome. | ||
| Because they'll turn around and say, well, you know what? | ||
| We've already got like 70% men. | ||
| So, I mean, your CV might be great, but you've got a dick. | ||
| So we can't take you. | ||
| We're going to take that unqualified woman instead because we need to get to parity because they want equality of outcome. | ||
| They want 50% men, 50% women. | ||
| I have a friend who was a big Whig at a big internet company, and they had to deal with that shit all the time, where they would have men who were far more qualified, who they were getting pressured to push out to make room for, like, they were specifically looking for a qualified black woman. | ||
| They were going out of their way because they wanted to give out the appearance of diversity. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But that's because they're also scared of criticism, right? | ||
| So they're scared of being attacked from progressive activists. | ||
| And by race pimps. | ||
| I mean, there are a lot of race pimps, which is a lot of people. | ||
| It's like our term race pimp, actually. | ||
| Yeah, it's not mine. | ||
| They used it for Jesse Jackson back in the day. | ||
| That's a good term. | ||
| And he's been outed as a race pimp. | ||
| I mean, they've talked to people who've famously come to organizations and said, I'm going to give you diversity courses, and you're going to pay me a certain amount of money, or we're going to protect you. | ||
| That's a secular religion, isn't it? | ||
| And they're a new priesthood. | ||
| Well, people don't like being criticized, and they don't want it to hurt their business. | ||
| And especially if you're dealing with an internet business, internet-based businesses, you know, like Google, for example, Apple, classically liberal. | ||
| You would say progressive. | ||
| Progressive. | ||
| Yeah, they're not liberal at all. | ||
| Very liberal. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| In England, liberal actually means liberal. | ||
| In the United States, liberal means progressive. | ||
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Well, I hate all these fucking terms. | |
| They're a nightmare. | ||
| It really is a nightmare. | ||
| It's taken me a long time to really be able to hammer out the ins and outs ideologically of it. | ||
| And so I can explain it quite efficiently now because it's difficult. | ||
| Well, what's really dark about something like progressive thinking, well, not progressive thinking, but rather affirmative action is that you're going to create a certain amount of racism by putting someone who's unqualified in a position just because of their color. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's racist. | ||
| You're being discriminatory. | ||
| On the basis of race to a white person. | ||
| That's racism. | ||
| But they are racist. | ||
| But you go to the deep root of it, and you've got to realize, well, there's some people that just, they're given a terrible hand of cards. | ||
| We've got to be able to figure out how to fix that hand of cards, how to make it a little bit more balanced in our cities. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| That's one way to do it. | ||
| But that's where it gets really crazy. | ||
| Oh, I don't know about that. | ||
| Of course, doesn't it? | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| But if people that are born in these crime-ridden communities and they get no assistance whatsoever from the very government that's sending billions of dollars overseas to assist these other countries. | ||
| I'm not against helping them. | ||
| Absolutely not against helping them. | ||
| I mean, like, you know, I'm not saying you know what you go hang. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| But anything you do has to start with them saying, I want to change. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And if they can't start, if that's not a premise they're going to start with, then you can do nothing for them. | ||
| If they're happy where they are and how they are right now, then you can't change anything. | ||
| All you'll do is throw good money after bad and they'll know it. | ||
| I mean, like, think about people who win the lottery. | ||
| Are they happy? | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Mostly, though. | ||
| It ruins their lives, doesn't it? | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| I feel like the people who write those articles are always sad they didn't win the lottery. | ||
| Maybe, but I think there's a lot of money. | ||
| There's probably a lot of dudes out there who win a lottery that are just straight balling, having a great time. | ||
| Given has no value. | ||
| It's only the things that you earn that have value. | ||
| I don't know if that's always true. | ||
| Most of the time it is. | ||
| I think it's 100%. | ||
| Maybe if there's like a certain amount of money, maybe you just got to ease into it. | ||
| Maybe it's one of those things. | ||
| Maybe if you win $100 million and you just pretend you only won $100,000, spend that. | ||
| But I don't see that. | ||
| Start slow. | ||
| Don't do Ferrari. | ||
| I'm not saying we don't do that. | ||
| You've got to help these people, but you have to begin from a position where they say, you know what, look, I want help. | ||
| Because if they're sat there going, I don't want to change, well, then they're not going to change. | ||
| Well, I understand that, but I mean, a lot of them don't even understand how they would go about changing, and they're constantly surrounded and reinforced by all these people around them that are in jail or committing crimes. | ||
| I speak to black YouTubers occasionally, and a lot of them are like, you know what? | ||
| They do blame a lot of stuff on the white man. | ||
| They say the white man wants to keep you down and stuff like that. | ||
| See, but that's not. | ||
| Okay, listen, if this was a white guy and he was like, the black man's holding me down, you'd be like, shut up. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| You wouldn't accept it. | ||
| And if you're going to accept that from them, that's you being a racist. | ||
| Treat them like you would treat white people. | ||
| If this was white people sitting around going, I'm not going to do anything. | ||
| I'm going to join a gang. | ||
| I think black mans or the Jews are trying to hold me down or something. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't let me finish. | ||
| I wasn't saying that white people are, in fact, holding black people down. | ||
| I was saying that idea of the white man like they have this mandate. | ||
| We've got to hold the black people down. | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| It's a standard argument. | ||
| I don't think there's a coalition of white people. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, it's a vote in the head. | ||
| Yeah, it's a sad thought perception. | ||
| I think that there absolutely was certain times. | ||
| I mean, there's absolutely neighborhoods that black people were not allowed to buy real estate. | ||
| There's absolutely systematic racism. | ||
| And there are still a lot of racists around. | ||
| I'm not saying it's not justified. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I'm not saying it's not justified. | ||
| And I think that's where the argument goes off the rails because they go, what do you mean? | ||
| All this stuff's happening? | ||
| Yeah, it has happened. | ||
| And there are racists, but you don't have to let that hold you back. | ||
| No, you definitely don't. | ||
| That is up to it. | ||
| Yeah, I think they need examples. | ||
| I think more examples and more role models in that direction. | ||
| I've actually, I've seen, I can't remember the guy's name, but I remember seeing this black doctor doing a speaking tour at... | ||
| I don't know what the difference is there. | ||
| Chiropractors aren't really doctors. | ||
| Just found that out recently. | ||
| No, it's real. | ||
| They don't go to medical school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that fucking crazy? | ||
| I didn't know about that until she was. | ||
| I'm having her on the podcast. | ||
| The woman who wrote that article, dude, they kill people. | ||
| People have died from that. | ||
| They've died from that. | ||
| There was some recent thing that Redband sent me about some Playboy Playmate who died because the doctor, the chiropractor adjusted her neck and she fucking died. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| People die every year. | ||
| They do it to babies, man. | ||
| They adjust babies. | ||
| There's people that do like chiropractic adjustments on babies. | ||
| Their bones aren't even fully formed. | ||
| Their bones are soft. | ||
| And these assholes are manipulating them. | ||
| I'm really glad you told me that because I got two. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| Two and a half-year-old son. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
| Nothing wrong with that. | ||
| Playboy model Katie Mae's death caused by chiropractor autopsy finds. | ||
| Scroll up so I could read that fucking, this nonsense. | ||
| I thought they were doctors. | ||
| I thought when a doctor tells you, when you say Dr. Mike, I thought it was a doctor. | ||
| He thought he went to medical school and learned how to be a chiropractor. | ||
| No. | ||
| I can't believe you're allowed to do that. | ||
| Not only that. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| Ready for this? | ||
| The guy who invented it was a magnetic healer. | ||
| Okay, the guy invented chiropractor. | ||
| There's all this like subluxation. | ||
| There's all these words they use. | ||
| Did he have clear? | ||
| They're in total. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Entirely fake. | ||
| Not only that, the guy who invented it very possibly was murdered by his son. | ||
| That's a suspicion. | ||
| His son ran him over for sure. | ||
| And they think he might have done it on purpose. | ||
| And then his son ran him over with a car and then took over the business. | ||
| And his son was a totally shady piece of shit. | ||
| Well, clearly. | ||
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A fraud. | |
| He ran over his own father. | ||
| Well, it could have been an accident, a tragic accident, and a love dad. | ||
| But the allegation is that he ran over his dad to take over the family business. | ||
| It is not real at all. | ||
| It is not a real science. | ||
| There's no science to support it. | ||
| But the crazy thing is, it's so accepted that insurance pays for this shit. | ||
| She had some clotting and went to the hospital where they tried to do some procedures, but she passed away. | ||
| So this guy adjusting her neck and they tore her vertebral, her vertebral artery. | ||
| Did he have like a head lock or something? | ||
| No, man. | ||
| When you're adjusting you, you got to understand there's bones in there and there's violent jutting. | ||
| If you're a tender person or if you have some sort of vulnerability, yeah, a model. | ||
| They tore her fucking article. | ||
| Her artery rather, her article. | ||
| And subsequently cut off blood flow to her brain. | ||
| Her death was ruled accidental. | ||
| What in the fuck? | ||
| Can we get these people stopped somehow? | ||
| But how do you call yourself a doctor? | ||
| This is what confuses the shit out of me. | ||
| All these guys that have called themselves doctor, when I talked to them, I thought they were an actual fucking doctor. | ||
| Like I went to a place like this is Dr. Pete. | ||
| Dr. Pete's going to work on you. | ||
| Dr. Pete's not a fucking doctor. | ||
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Like it's 100% fake. | |
| What is the article? | ||
| Pull up that article. | ||
| Like chiropractors are bullshit. | ||
| Because I want to give that lady props. | ||
| She's going to come on my podcast. | ||
| Oh, awesome. | ||
| She calls herself the science babe. | ||
| Yvette, the science babe. | ||
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I don't know who. | |
| Do you know who she is? | ||
| The psy babe. | ||
| She sounds awesome, though. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Pro-science? | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| I'm very excited to have her on. | ||
| The article was actually synchronicity because it was a conversation that I was having with Steve Ranella, who's a friend of mine, a couple of weeks ago, when he was talking about his brother's got some issue with atrophy and of his arm. | ||
| He's been going to a chiropractor. | ||
| And I said, I think chiropractors are bullshit. | ||
| And so after the podcast, I smoked a joint and I was thinking to myself, was I being too hard on chiropractors? | ||
| Is I being a dick? | ||
| So then I started researching chiropractors and I found all this crazy shit about the fucking magnetic healers and all this stuff. | ||
| Here's the article. | ||
| Chiropractors are bullshit. | ||
| You shouldn't trust them with your spine or any other part of your body. | ||
| And what is her name that she wrote this? | ||
| So we can give her some. | ||
| How do you go? | ||
| D. Etremont. | ||
| Entremont. | ||
| It's D. Apostrophe. | ||
| A capital. | ||
| Low-level D. What is this bullshit non-American spelling? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ew. | ||
| Or possibly Canadian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Quebec. | ||
| Lowercase D. Apostrophe large capital. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| I'm in favor of banning French as well. | ||
| I like French people. | ||
| No, no, the language. | ||
| I like their food, too. | ||
| Not the French, but we could ban the French. | ||
| The language sounds good if there's something. | ||
| There's one acceptable form of bigotry in England that's against the French, so fuck the French. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| You're allowed to? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How come you can do that? | ||
| Because we lost the Hundred Years' War. | ||
| Oh, so it's an England thing. | ||
| Yeah, we spent 100 years kicking the shit out of French, and then God intervened to save them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| France is having a hard time. | ||
| Let me finish this talk about the doctor though. | ||
| Basically, like, I know that there are probably going to be a lot of black people who are sat there going, well, holy shit. | ||
| My whole life I've been like, I know that the white man's keeping me down and stuff like this, but this isn't all coming from me. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I'm not the fucking expert here. | ||
| This is coming. | ||
| I wish I could remember this guy's name. | ||
| It was like a couple of years ago that I watched this guy doing this speaking tour. | ||
| And he was a black doctor, but he's like a PhD in, I don't know, business studies or something like that. | ||
| It wasn't like, you know, he was not a chiropractor. | ||
| But I was absolutely loving his speech to like a bunch of kids in school because he was just saying, look, if you drop out, you won't get to where you want to go. | ||
| I mean, you've got to look at it, just look at it sensibly. | ||
| Just look at it through an Aristotelian lens. | ||
| You are what you do. | ||
| Okay, where do you want to end up? | ||
| You want to end up as a scientist? | ||
| Okay, well, if you drop out of school, that's that goal off the table. | ||
| You can't become a scientist by dropping out of school. | ||
| So no matter how much you hate school, you just got to fucking stick it out. | ||
| You've got to get it out. | ||
| If you want to do something that's involved in school. | ||
| If you want to get to a scientist, so you plot it and go, right, okay, so I've got to get to college, I've got to get to university, get PhD, then I've got to make sure that I've done all the right courses to get to the right field. | ||
| You've got to plot this out. | ||
| And if you drop out at any point, well, there we go. | ||
| you screwed your life plan there. | ||
| So you're going to have to figure out something to do. | ||
| And I know because I did exactly the same thing. | ||
| There's just no getting around it. | ||
| No one can give that to you. | ||
| You've got to give it to yourself. | ||
| That's what empowerment is. | ||
| If you want to be empowered, you've just got to go, you know what? | ||
| Let's just assume the white man hates you. | ||
| Let's just assume he does. | ||
| Every white man. | ||
| Just assume we're all fucking racist. | ||
| Why would you assume that though? | ||
| Because this is the worst case scenario. | ||
| This is worst case scenario. | ||
| Let's think about it. | ||
| Worst case scenario. | ||
| Every white person's racist. | ||
| They want to hold you back. | ||
| But legally, they can't. | ||
| So you might be thinking, right, okay, there's going to be some bigotry. | ||
| So what are you going to do? | ||
| You're going to work harder. | ||
| That's the only way you're going to do it. | ||
| If you want to get to where you're going to go, you've got to work. | ||
| But then you're living in a paranoid world where you're not going to be able to do that. | ||
| Every white person hates you. | ||
| No, no, no, hang on. | ||
| I'm not suggesting you should actually do that. | ||
| But why don't you bring it up there? | ||
| Because that's the worst case scenario for them. | ||
| That's what they'll say. | ||
| The white man's trying to hold me back. | ||
| Okay, let's say he is. | ||
| Let's just take that as a premise, right? | ||
| Okay, but does he actually, you know, he's not going to, I mean, they do actually have affirmative action for your university and stuff. | ||
| So even if we still assume that this is somehow him being a racist and hating black people, you can still go, well, I can still take advantage of that. | ||
| If what I need is these grades and these subjects, go and get those grades and those subjects. | ||
| In fact, you might think, well, Christ, I might actually go for the grade up just in case the white man tries to screw me even harder. | ||
| You know, I'm going to work even harder. | ||
| And you think, well, Christ, that means you've got to work hard. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to work hard. | ||
| I love the term the white man as if they're unified. | ||
| The white man. | ||
| The white man. | ||
| They're not unified in anything other than keeping black people down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're going to keep a brother down. | ||
| Why, except for when he gets to the presidency? | ||
| They clearly are in dispute over everything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like everything from top to bottom. | ||
| Is it secret? | ||
| The new center is the new thing that keeps getting banned. | ||
| Oh, the woke centrists. | ||
| The centrists, the new center. | ||
| The extremes are cancer, and we should just ignore them. | ||
| Yeah, well, the center sounds ridiculous, too. | ||
| It all sounds ridiculous. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But ask yourself, would you rather talk to Ben Shapiro or Richard Spencer? | ||
| Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Would you rather talk to me or Anita Sarkeesian? | ||
| Well, maybe not Anita Saris. | ||
| I'd like to talk to her. | ||
| Okay, she's a bad example. | ||
| Me or someone who says that all white people are oppressing all black people. | ||
| I always want to talk to someone who has these extreme beliefs. | ||
| I believe she does. | ||
| I don't need Franks. | ||
| Just because I want to know what goes on in her head. | ||
| I want to know why she thinks that there's something wrong with being male to the point where every male has toxic. | ||
| I mean, I'm talking about political candidates. | ||
| Would you rather have two people who are relatively moderate, relatively close to the center? | ||
| Oh, you're talking about political candidates now? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, sorry. | ||
| I should have specified that. | ||
| How'd you get there? | ||
| Well, because that's the center is the political sphere. | ||
| Oh, is it? | ||
| I see. | ||
| I feel like it's an ideology more than it is a political thing. | ||
| Well, it's how you live your life more than how you vote. | ||
| Yeah, it's not like an ideology in and of itself. | ||
| You've got like center-left, center-right. | ||
| got similar but different ideological traditions and I mean it's like it's basically there Because you're disempowering yourself. | ||
| Except when it clearly is someone else's fault. | ||
| Sometimes it is, yeah. | ||
| Sometimes it is. | ||
| But most of the time it's not. | ||
| Most of the time it's your own fault. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the victim mentality that you were talking about when we're talking about like hardcore feminists that are constantly blaming men for things. | ||
| But the problem is like, what is it like being a chick? | ||
| It's probably fucking terrible. | ||
| It's probably not always. | ||
| I mean, that's really misogynist. | ||
| When the term that you didn't let me finish, you fuck. | ||
| What I'm saying is when women are constantly worried about being victims, right? | ||
| Like women are worried, yeah. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Yeah, I've talked to some that talk about like driving home. | ||
| They get nervous when they're walking into certain areas at night in a way that a man doesn't. | ||
| This is interesting because that's the same opinion that Saudi Arabians have of the West. | ||
| How so? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You've given me the feminist narrative that all women are constantly afraid of men. | ||
| No, I think a lot of women are, though. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, but I'm not saying they're not. | ||
| But like, you know, when you say, right, the overwhelming majority of women are afraid of men, that's a feminist narrative. | ||
| That's also the Wahhabi narrative from Saudi Arabia. | ||
| And that's why they have to go, well, that means that our women aren't allowed out. | ||
| They've got to wear burqas. | ||
| They've got to effectively become invisible. | ||
| So men aren't going to predict that. | ||
| Well, they have a very ancient culture. | ||
| And in that culture, women are treated ridiculously different. | ||
| What do you mean they don't? | ||
| Wahhabism arrived in the 18th century with Abdul Wahhab a little terrible. | ||
| It's 1700. | ||
| That's pretty ancient. | ||
| To an American. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not to anyone. | ||
| I'm American, man. | ||
| Okay, but I'm not. | ||
| It's an ancient culture. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| My point is. | ||
| It's not ancient at all. | ||
| It's old as fuck. | ||
| My point is. | ||
| It's not as old as your country. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The point. | ||
| It's 1776. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, no, this is like 1780 or something like that. | ||
| But even though it's not a problem, it's older by four years. | ||
| This country's older by four years. | ||
| Your country existed before 1776. | ||
| It just wasn't. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| No, MC existed. | ||
| It's the same intellectuals. | ||
| There were some people here, a bunch of fucking campers. | ||
| Hundreds of years before. | ||
| Like the people that walked the Appalachian Trail. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But this is way newer and way more cancerous as well. | ||
| There's a lot of great stuff about the point being, there is a very different classification of women versus men in Wahhabism, right? | ||
| It's the same theory behind it. | ||
| They say exactly the same words. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Exactly exactly. | ||
| Women are afraid of men. | ||
| Yeah, but some women are. | ||
| I mean, like, in certain circumstances. | ||
| What I'm trying to get at is that the way women think about men is very different than the way men think about women. | ||
| A man does not walk through a group of women and worry about being raped. | ||
| A man does not walk through the streets at night and worry some woman's going to come out of the darkness and grab his ass. | ||
| But a woman doesn't walk into a courthouse, a divorce proceeding, and think, I'm going to lose everything. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Unless you're Roseanne and you're dating Tom Arnold, right? | ||
| Boom. | ||
| She's still paying that due to the child. | ||
| Again, that's one for the team. | ||
| Exception. | ||
| Exception that proves the rule there. | ||
| 90% of the time, the woman, I mean, 90%, I mean, you hear horrific stories. | ||
| talk to some of the MRAs, you get some horror stories where, I mean, I know you're using all those terms. | ||
| I'm immersed in it all day. | ||
| But people aren't. | ||
| People that are listening to this, a lot of them are not. | ||
| Get your ass off the sofa, stop watching TV. | ||
| Or go online and just be immersed in that world. | ||
| No, go outside. | ||
| No, why? | ||
| You don't have to be an MRA. | ||
| You don't have to be a message. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I spent thousands of pounds to come here to tell you what an MRA is. | ||
| No, but the thing is, this is the thing, right? | ||
| This is, this is, and I say this with the greatest respect, from the more venerable generations than mine who are more used to the television. | ||
| People don't watch TV anymore, and they won't go back to it. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| I think it's dying. | ||
| We've got the statistics to prove that. | ||
| I've done videos on it. | ||
| We've got all the sources and the stats. | ||
| It's only the older generations. | ||
| I mean, like in Britain, all of the TV channels, Channel 4 was the young, hip, cool TV channel when I was young. | ||
| The average age of the viewer now is 44. | ||
| But once they found out that old dude had been fucking kids for all those years, Jimmy Saville. | ||
| Savile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that lost a lot of faith. | ||
| That's not the reason. | ||
| There's TV watching. | ||
| That's not the reason. | ||
| Honestly, it's not the reason. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| I've been dealing with some people who are fucking idiots. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You know, and I've had to be really, really specific. | ||
| There is a group of people online who know that I'm right, and they don't like that I'm right. | ||
| They don't like you right? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They hate that I'm right. | ||
| Are we talking about Nina Sarkeesian again? | ||
| Her fans, they hate me. | ||
| And I don't want to give them any more ammunition than her. | ||
| That's so bad that she's not defending herself or she doesn't have the opportunity to. | ||
| When she called me a piece of shit and a garbage human, I had said nothing up until that point. | ||
| So I'd yell back, I just want to talk. | ||
| And she was like, oh, whatever, dude. | ||
| And it's just like, I came all this way to hear what you had to say, and all you could do is insult me. | ||
| That was the one interaction that you've had with that. | ||
| I've got to rehash this. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I've been personally slighted, man. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| There's a narrative going around the progressive journalists that has already been debunked by an actual journalist called Tim Poole and the video evidence of the event that I personally took that I stormed the stage and started screaming abuse at her. | ||
| They're saying that. | ||
| Probably who is saying that? | ||
| Journalists. | ||
| Actual journalists? | ||
| Pull up of an actual article. | ||
| Tell me an actual article that said that. | ||
| There probably aren't any yet, but I bet you tomorrow or going on, there are articles about me and some of them will say something like, I abused her or she is some victim. | ||
| Pause. | ||
| Do you not understand the irony? | ||
| What? | ||
| We're talking about people labeling themselves as victims and you are labeling yourself as victim of a crime that has not occurred. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| You're talking about articles that are being written by journalists and videos that are being made, but they have not been made yet. | ||
| And then you're saying, just watch, they are going to be made. | ||
| Yeah, but that's because I've been down this road before. | ||
| Okay, do you not see? | ||
| Come on, you've got to be able to see that. | ||
| Well, it's not that I mean, like, I'm not, like, a victim. | ||
| This is something that happened to me. | ||
| Right, but do you get that? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What we're just talking about right here? | ||
| I asked you who is saying that you were stormed, that you stormed the stage. | ||
| You tell me, journalists, and I say, where are these articles? | ||
| And you say, just wait. | ||
| I'm going to watch. | ||
| At the moment, we're talking about rumors. | ||
| For example, like Tim Poole said that a friend of his, I think she's an actress, but it's the same sort of LA circles. | ||
| That's someone gossiping. | ||
| That doesn't mean that someone actually a journalist wrote an article about storming this. | ||
| But why do you think that's what you're doing? | ||
| Why would you social media? | ||
| Why would you even concentrate on that if it has not occurred? | ||
| I mean, isn't this sort of like a black guy complaining about the man holding you back when there is no man holding you back? | ||
| No, I don't think it's analogous. | ||
| I mean, it is. | ||
| You're talking about being a victim of a crime that hasn't occurred. | ||
| No, but I know what these people are like. | ||
| I've been dealing with them for long enough now. | ||
| I know what those white people are like, man. | ||
| I've been dealing with them my whole life. | ||
| Yeah, but we actually have a precedent for them doing this as well. | ||
| Right, but they're not doing it right now, and you're saying they are. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They're on social media right now. | ||
| I mean, you've got journalists like Ian Miles Chung, who said, right, so the prevailing narrative among journalists at the moment is that Sargon stormed the stage and abused Anita Sarkeesian, when video evidence says the exact same thing. | ||
| Yeah, he posted on Twitter. | ||
| So there's no articles, but there is a Twitter. | ||
| can tell that it's coming up. | ||
| They're going to be No, no, well, it's brewing. | ||
| I mean, this is how these rumors start, and then someone starts reporting it, and then suddenly you get a narrative going on. | ||
| I mean, and I'm not the victim of this because I've got a large enough reach to be able to say, let's switch videos now. | ||
| Because I think people listening to this who have no idea who the fuck are Neil Sarkeesian is and don't even know who you are, there's a lot of people listening to this. | ||
| I would like to get to more interesting things. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Because I think you're an interesting guy. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| I think you're a little wrapped up in this right now, which is okay. | ||
| I understand very personal. | ||
| I'll tell you what, it was. | ||
| But you're a very smart guy. | ||
| Your videos are excellent. | ||
| Your podcasts are great. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I can't wait to Who's Russ? | ||
| Your friend? | ||
| Yeah, he's a huge fan of yours. | ||
| What's up, Russ? | ||
| Huge fan of yours. | ||
| I can't wait to see him. | ||
| Do you, like, now that you have this gigantic audience, do you feel a certain amount of responsibility? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I always have. | ||
| Intellectual integrity is the most important thing. | ||
| And the great thing about this, and the great thing about the way the internet works, is that, I mean, look at the people who are at the top. | ||
| Look at someone like PewDiePie. | ||
| Man of outstanding moral character. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Do you know him? | ||
| Do you hang with him? | ||
| I've spoken to him a few times, but I don't need to hang with him to know. | ||
| Look at what he does. | ||
| He doesn't go around bullying people. | ||
| He doesn't go around lying about people. | ||
| He goes around doing charity and being like, hey, bros, you know, and being nice to people and being inspirational. | ||
| What happened with him? | ||
| Can you? | ||
| You're not framed. | ||
| Okay, but let's go over the actual... | ||
| you could have ads on that YouTube video, and your YouTube videos get a lot of downloads, man. | ||
| I mean, it would be very lucrative for you. | ||
| And then with us, our YouTube money was cut by more than 60%, I think. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was something crazy. | ||
| To retain 40% of your income was pretty good as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, anything controversial, anything having to do with anything right-wing is deemed not friendly for advertising. | ||
| Anything that has drugs in the title is deemed not friendly for advertising. | ||
| Like we've literally been able to change the title of things and re-upload them, and then the ads, they accept the headballs. | ||
| Yeah, so the same content. | ||
| So what all this came from is Poodie Pie, who has an enormous YouTube presence, right? | ||
| Doesn't he have like 50 million followers? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And he made some videos that the, what is it, the Washington Post? | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| The Wall Street Journal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Can I tell you about it? | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Please do, because you, I'm sure, are much more fun. | ||
| I did a bunch of videos on this, and it was the funniest thing in the world. | ||
| I love the language they use as well. | ||
| What's a scoop? | ||
| A scoop is a news story that other people are not aware of yet. | ||
| And You got it first. | ||
| So if tens of millions of people have seen something, and then if I'm a Wall Street journalist and I come along and I find something that tens of millions of people have seen, can I rightly call that a scoop? | ||
| Well, you can definitely call it a news story. | ||
| And you can definitely say that people in the... | ||
| Like, what is a real network? | ||
| What is a real newspaper? | ||
| What is real journalism? | ||
| Like, in their mind, I'm sure the Wall Street Journal considers themselves to be in the hierarchy versus someone who has. | ||
| But they don't have 55 million downloads. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| I mean, there's no way. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal puts out a video. | ||
| Yeah, if they put out a video, if they got a million hits on their video, that would be a big deal. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they'd be thrilled. | ||
| If Poodie Pie had only a million hits on one of these videos, he would be super depressed. | ||
| He is a much bigger entity than them. | ||
| But in their mind, like a scoop is them, the legitimate media. | ||
| So pointing out something in the illegitimate, this new weird video blogosphere. | ||
| So basically, PewDiePie, he's a comedian and he makes jokes. | ||
| But he's a, like I said, he's a man of good character. | ||
| And parents should be thanking PewDiePie for being the person he is because he's talking to their kids and their kids are going to grow up being decent people because of his influence. | ||
| But the Wall Street Journal, Ben Fritz and Rolf Winkler, and there was another one, I can't remember his name at the moment, they decided what they were going to do is, and I don't know who put them up to this, obviously, but they were going to watch about six months of his video, go through and find any anti-Semitic jokes that he had made. | ||
| Well, I mean, by definition, it's a joke, so there's not. | ||
| Six months? | ||
| Yeah, six months ago. | ||
| They sat together. | ||
| He does a video every day, and they got about, I don't know, like two minutes of footage or something with him making jokes at the expense of the Nazis, effectively. | ||
| And they were like, wow, this guy's promoting anti-Semitism. | ||
| I would like to see those jokes because I've heard about them, but I don't know the actual jokes that he said that they were saying. | ||
| But here's the, let's get to it. | ||
| They were saying that he is making light of being a Nazi or pretending to be a Nazi, and that this is what's fucked up. | ||
| And he was promoting anti-Semitism by parodying the Nazis. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand that. | ||
| Trying to explain to people. | ||
| How does Hogan's heroes work then? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Isn't Mel Brooks a bit of an old anti-Semitism? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He must be. | ||
| Even though he's not a good person, oh, God, just start. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, springtime for Hitler, you could say, was somehow or another humanizing. | ||
| I imagine that created a lot of Nazis. | ||
| Can you imagine if somebody made that argument though? | ||
| Imagine if someone made the argument that Mel Gibson created Nazis. | ||
| That's how far we have come with our Mel Brooks. | ||
| What did I say, Mel Gibson? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He might well imagine that. | ||
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That was a Freudian. | |
| That was clearly a Freudian. | ||
| All I ever think about. | ||
| When someone says Mel Gibson drunk, I think of him yelling about Jews at cops. | ||
| That's all I think of. | ||
| Big beard and everything. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy old man. | ||
| Fucking Jews. | ||
| It's like Jesus, Mel. | ||
| Jesus, Mel. | ||
| Just, dude. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Volt Wright poster boy right. | ||
| Yeah, well, he is. | ||
| Well, he's a serious like 9-11 conspiracy believer. | ||
| Where's that Charlie Sheen? | ||
| Oh, probably. | ||
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Me probably. | |
| I'm lumping them together. | ||
| I think I might be. | ||
| So these videos, one of them was the funniest thing because they were taking like, and the jokes were like, you know, like, 20 seconds of joke taken out of like a 10-minute video, you know, where he's just, it's just like a cutaway to a parrot, you know, a skit. | ||
| You know, like, you know, one of them was a joke about how the media takes his jokes out of context to try and frame him as something native. | ||
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Right. | |
| And they cut that out of context and used it. | ||
| And it was just like, well, that was. | ||
| Which is amazing. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's amazing that they had the balls to do that. | ||
| And they were not only proud of what they did, they called it a scoop. | ||
| And then they went to advertisers and said, look at this hate speech. | ||
| But how did they get away with doing that? | ||
| How did they get away with them to do that? | ||
| How come no one from the Wall Street Journal sat them down and said, well, listen, this is definitely not him saying that you're going to take something out of context and then doing it, is it? | ||
| Because if it is, and then you took it out of context and did exactly what he's saying you shouldn't do, that's kind of crazy. | ||
| It's mental. | ||
| It is mental. | ||
| It's absolutely insane. | ||
| But they feel like they can get away with it because they're in the hallowed halls of actual media and they're putting this stuff out there. | ||
| Jamie, did you find it? | ||
| See what you can find in terms of the actual jokes that PewDiePie said that are supposedly... | ||
| Yeah, go grab them. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Yeah, if you look at his numbers, they look like that. | ||
| And what's so strange about it? | ||
| He's making hand gestures down for the Wall Street Journal, up for PewDiePie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what's so strange about it, though, is that PewDiePie isn't their competition. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Some of them are great. | ||
| Let's see what we got here. | ||
|
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My name is PewDiePie. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Okay, so him, 27-year-old, better known as PewDiePie, became famous for playing video games on YouTube. | ||
| Typical Nazis. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 53 million subscribers. | ||
| He's still 55 now. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| The biggest star on the site by far. | ||
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Let's go inside the stories. | |
| The scoop. | ||
| Oh, no, that's better. | ||
| Scoop is better. | ||
| Let's get into the latest scoops. | ||
| So it's him. | ||
| I think this is the one. | ||
| Recently, some of his videos are brief, including Nazi messages, images of Adolf Hitler, and explicit anti-Semitic commentary. | ||
| So this is the Washington Post's version? | ||
| The Wall Street Journal, rather. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Following a request for comment from the Wall Street Journal, Disney said the videos are inappropriate and cut ties to Pootie Pie, who ran his business. | ||
| Disney subsidiary Maker Studios cost Pootie Pie millions. | ||
| In a January 11th video, Mr. Blah blah blah featured two men holding a sign reading death to all Jews after hiring them from a freelance website. | ||
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I like the editing. | |
| See, the joke is his reaction to it. | ||
| And the fact that you can subscribe to Keemstar, who's like another big YouTuber, he's mocking that. | ||
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I didn't think they would actually do it. | |
| I feel partially responsible, but just I didn't think they would actually do it. | ||
| It might just be my crude sense of humor, but I think there's something funny about that. | ||
| He fired back at the media for mischaracterizing him. | ||
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Again, I think there's a difference between a joke and actual liebara. | |
| Like fuck deaf to all Jews. | ||
| If I made a video saying, hey guys, uh Peter Pie here, deaf to all Jews, I want you to say after me, deaf to all Jews. | ||
| And, you know, Hitler was right. | ||
| I really opened my eyes to white power, and I think it's time that we did something about it. | ||
| That's essentially how they're reporting this. | ||
| As if that's what I was saying or some shit like that. | ||
| It's amazing how popular he is with such a shitty grasp of English. | ||
| He's Swedish. | ||
| Apologies can camouflage messages that may still be received and celebrated by hate groups. | ||
| The Southern Poverty Law Center says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if the Southern Poverty Law Center condemns you, it's becoming a bit of a badge of one of these days. | ||
| In the video Since Removed, he posted a video of a man dressed as Jesus Christ. | ||
| I love how they have like Since Removed is bold, and then Jesus Christ is bold. | ||
| Really nice guy. | ||
| The Jesus guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| Don't worry, though. | ||
| He stands beside God now. | ||
| He isn't happy. | ||
| Jesus out. | ||
| And I wasn't the one who made him say it. | ||
| Or was it? | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
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I don't think so. | |
| He set up a GoPhotomy page and his own website, so you can take orders from Jesus himself. | ||
| And also, can I just point out that he said, hold on, stop. | ||
| This is not what I'm looking for. | ||
| Where are the actual videos of him doing the Nazi shit? | ||
| You just saw it. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That's 100% it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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This is their article that led to all of this. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Right, but what we're looking at here, this is the Wall Street Journal's version of it. | ||
| So this is... | ||
| This is the actual clips that they're saying are the thing that shows him to be anti-Semitic. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
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I thought it was way better than I thought it was just a little video he got made off Fiverr. | |
| Yeah, it's just him pratting around on the internet. | ||
| It's just silly, childish jokes. | ||
| Three. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I guess two. | ||
| I think three is too high. | ||
| Nazis are so stupid. | ||
| It's like he doesn't take a lot to turn them. | ||
| The really bad thing about this, though, is the fact that they didn't put this article out until they had taken these clips and dapped him into Disney. | ||
| And Disney obviously knew shit. | ||
| There is going to be a shitstorm about this. | ||
| Why would someone do this? | ||
| Why would someone get a political attack? | ||
| But why? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Because he's making money and they're losing money. | ||
| His politics are not their politics as well. | ||
| Yeah, he mocks like, you know, he mocks feminism. | ||
| He mocks social justice. | ||
| He's a liberal. | ||
| He's not a progressive. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| Why would they think that they could just do that, though? | ||
| Because they've got the power to do that. | ||
| No one can stop them. | ||
| You couldn't stop them. | ||
| But they did. | ||
| They cost him millions of dollars. | ||
| I'm sure they did, but it's now costing them their reputation. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you can't just do that. | ||
| Like, the Wall Street Journals, they took a big hit from this, I'm sure. | ||
| They're unbelievably arrogant. | ||
| Well, actually, you know what's really interesting, right? | ||
| After all of this shit show blew over, there was a bunch of polls done of like 13 to 18 year olds. | ||
| And it was really, really fascinating how you had like favorability and how well known things were. | ||
| And like YouTube was really well known, really favorable with kids, you know. | ||
| And then you had the Wall Street Journal, which was really well known, but really unfavorable with kids. | ||
| How do kids know what the Wall Street Journal is? | ||
| Because of PewDiePie. | ||
| So now they think of the Wall Street Journal in this way, the millions of people that are his fans. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, that's a big mistake to a guy with a platform like that in 10 years time when they're voters and they're reading and consuming news, the Wall Street Journal will continue to be, they'll continue to go down. | ||
| PewDiePie will still be doing well. | ||
| But what's crazy is I never thought of the Wall Street Journal as that. | ||
| What I thought of the Wall Street Journal as being like informative, objective information about business. | ||
| If you asked me, like, what is the Wall Street Journal? | ||
| That's how I've always thought of them. | ||
| So to see this video. | ||
| It's pretty shocking, isn't it? | ||
| Well, it is disturbing because there's nothing there. | ||
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No. | |
| Like the debt to all Jews thing, the fact that did he pay those guys to hold up that sign? | ||
| Yeah, like $5 to write on a sign so he could go, oh, because, you know, because it's taboo, right? | ||
| He's just breaking it to boot. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That's all it is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If nobody had said anything, nothing would come up. | ||
| It's in poor taste. | ||
| And if you're representing Disney, you can't fuck with that stuff. | ||
| That's all that is. | ||
| Well, they know that. | ||
| But that's stuck. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| My point is, I'm defending him. | ||
| It's not evidence of anti-Semitism. | ||
| No, yeah, no. | ||
| He's just saying something fucked up because he's trying to be shocking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just broken. | ||
| I think the Hitler stuff, like, holy shit, there was nothing there. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| It's just the stupidest thing in the world. | ||
| And it's, I mean, this is the thing, right? | ||
| Like, the Keckstani flag, what I love about this is it's a parody of the Nazi flag. | ||
| Right, of a swastika. | ||
| What is it in there? | ||
| What's in there? | ||
| Keck. | ||
| It's silly internet stuff. | ||
| Is it a K in there? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can't see it. | ||
| When you have to explain any of this to someone, it sounds like the most stupid thing in the world because it's internet human beings. | ||
| I love how they're planting the Iwo Jima flag. | ||
| I know, isn't that great? | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| But that's what it's supposed to be. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because that's how they come across to everyone else. | ||
| It's like, guys, this is how stupid you look to us. | ||
| Yeah, to the normal. | ||
| Did you see that thing that somebody put up about it's you and Milo and a bunch of other people and you've got a red pill? | ||
| And it says, get in the car, Normies. | ||
| We're going to save civilization. | ||
| Someone's got to do it. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| First of all, who the fuck thinks that that's really... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the point, isn't it? | ||
| about people who can't laugh at themselves. | ||
| If you can't laugh at yourself, then I've Well, there's also so many layers to this thing. | ||
| You have to be paying attention to it all the time, like you, to be able to keep up. | ||
| Like, even I have to ask you questions, like, wait, what's that? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Because I'm not paying attention. | ||
| It's a complex subject. | ||
| But the thing is, the idea of it. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| The Southern Poverty Law Center, of course, came out and condemned Kazakhstan. | ||
| Because they're fucking idiots. | ||
| But it's not real. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But is Kazakhstan supposed to, is that supposed to be alt-right, though? | ||
| No, no, no, of course not. | ||
| It's actually, it's an identity for people who don't want an identity. | ||
| Because I'm not an identitarian. | ||
| It sounds very non-binary. | ||
| It sounds like Latinx. | ||
| Kind of, yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| No, no, that's, but that's exactly what it's supposed to sound like. | ||
| Right? | ||
| When they say, you know, I'm a Latinx, I'm, you know, let me talk to you about my woke blackness and stuff like this. | ||
| I want to be a woke black person. | ||
| Well, you can be a Kekestani. | ||
| Let me tell you about my woke blackness. | ||
| This is one of the coolest things you can ever say. | ||
| But that's what it is, though. | ||
| Because when someone comes to you about their identity, it's like, okay, but this isn't a conversation I want to have with you. | ||
| It's not politics. | ||
| It's you talking about yourself. | ||
| And it's like, well, I don't have an ethnicity, like an identity. | ||
| I don't play identity politics. | ||
| They play identity politics. | ||
| Kekestan is a parody of identity politics, and every identity politician hates it. | ||
| Everyone who gets into bed with identity politics and say, yeah, what am I my blackness or Latina or my whiteness or my Jewishness, whatever it is? | ||
| Okay, what am I my Kekestanishness? | ||
| And they're just like, well, shut up. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| You finally got it. | ||
| I don't give a shit about your fucking identity. | ||
| You don't give a shit about mine. | ||
| So let's talk about the issues. | ||
| The issues. | ||
| Like Poodie Pie. | ||
| So where's it, how does he stand now? | ||
| So he lost this Disney deal because this Wall Street Journal issue. | ||
| Pretty fine, obviously. | ||
| But how many people were actually aware of the real content? | ||
| Like what he actually did? | ||
| But what I'm saying is how many people are aware versus the magazine article? | ||
| Oh, it's about the type of people who are aware. | ||
| Because I wasn't aware. | ||
| Of course you were. | ||
| I knew who he was. | ||
| I heard his name. | ||
| And when I heard the story, I had heard a bunch of different accounts. | ||
| I tried to sift between the two. | ||
| And the middle seemed to be that he was doing like typical internet stuff, being silly, but none of it was really anti-Semitic. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But that's even milder than what I thought it was. | ||
| That's insanely milder, especially when you're using the clips of him saying if I was taken out of context. | ||
| Yeah, it's absolutely pathetic. | ||
| But obviously the audience of the Wall Street Journal is the elites, the intelligentsia, the smarts, rich people. | ||
| Old people that don't have a good internet connection at all. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Well, no, undoubtedly got the best internet connections, but they're not going to live very long because they're old. | ||
| PewDiePie's audience is coming up. | ||
| They're going to be the ones who are essentially taking over the world. | ||
| And PewDiePie is the one who's showing them that, look at the things these people are saying, they're bad. | ||
| And you know, because they're attacking me and you know me, I'm not doing anything wrong. | ||
| So you know you can't trust these people. | ||
| They are going to come after you. | ||
| If they can go after PewDiePie, the biggest YouTuber in the world, then they can go after anyone. | ||
| Yeah, but it's really dangerous to frame things that way because it's dishonest. | ||
| And as soon as you do something like that and you make a dishonest representation of this guy, of PewDiePie, immediately every other thing that you print, I'm going to go, well, you guys already made that thing about Poodie Pie, and that was bullshit. | ||
| Like you had to do a lot of work to make that. | ||
| Like to cherry-pick that hard. | ||
| Oh, they went through six months of video and got like two minutes of footage. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| And he does a video every day. | ||
| So it's just like, because, I mean, you saw the quality of the video. | ||
| It's just, yeah. | ||
| Who funded that? | ||
| The Wall Street Journal funded that? | ||
| Like, that had to cost a lot of money, right? | ||
| Well, think about paying these guys by the hour. | ||
| They're working on that. | ||
| Watch a bunch of YouTube videos. | ||
| Millions of people have already watched and then go, look at the scoop we've got. | ||
| And try to find one or two Jew jokes. | ||
| See, if he was Jewish, he could have Mel Brooks his way right through that motherfucker and been fine. | ||
| But unfortunately for PewDiePie, he's got white male privilege, so he can't do a thing. | ||
| Well, you have to recognize your privilege. | ||
| Super important. | ||
| Check your privilege at the door. | ||
| It's a wonderful way for people to control you. | ||
| It's original sin. | ||
| To tell you. | ||
| Yes, it is original. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| These people are creating a new priesthood. | ||
| If you look at the diversity officers, I mean, like in Britain, the BBC is the prime example. | ||
| I mean, they actually have job positions where they hire on the basis of race and against people on the basis of race. | ||
| And not even for, like, if it was like in front of the camera, I could understand. | ||
| You know, I mean, like, I mean, I don't like the, we need more black people, we need more brown people, whatever. | ||
| But, I mean, I could at least go, well, I mean, like you were saying, you know, it's good to have examples. | ||
| I can accept that I don't like it, but not because I don't want to see brown people, but because it's discriminatory on the basis of race. | ||
| But I could at least accept it for a good conclusion. | ||
| But for this, it's just a research position behind the scenes, 18 grand a year, you know, making nothing. | ||
| And all you're doing is typing into Google and finding things. | ||
| And they're like, white people can't apply. | ||
| And I have to fund that with my TV license. | ||
| It's crazy that white people can't apply. | ||
| I know. | ||
| No whites allowed. | ||
| It's so racist. | ||
| And they're wondering why the alt-rights are doing so well. | ||
| Why so many people are just like, you know what? | ||
| Get fucked. | ||
| But the idea that you could say that, like, your melanin content is going to prohibit you from getting this job. | ||
| Did you, I'm sure you paid attention to the Evergreen State College fiasco, Brett Weinstein. | ||
| Did you listen to Brett when he was on this podcast? | ||
| I haven't had time. | ||
| I've been busy. | ||
| He's doing all this. | ||
| He's a very shockingly progressive man. | ||
| He is. | ||
| He's a super liberal, essentially. | ||
| Yeah, please. | ||
| He's a really nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, he seemed it. | ||
| He seemed it. | ||
| And the poor guy's in hiding now. | ||
| Yeah, he's in hiding. | ||
| Literally, he had to remove his family from there and kind of put them in hiding. | ||
| The schools essentially almost shut down. | ||
| Yeah, they took over. | ||
| I mean, the thing is chaos. | ||
| And now they're voting to remove funding and turn it into a private school. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Because people have to do it. | ||
| They're like, you guys are out of your mind. | ||
| We can't give you tax dollars. | ||
| They told him that he should stay home because they wanted a day of absence where white people were not allowed to go to work. | ||
| And he was like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| I'm Jewish. | ||
| Yeah, not only that, he's like, that's racist. | ||
| And they're like, no, you're racist. | ||
| That's the important point. | ||
| Well, the woman, one of the women who was responsible for it, called his wife a racist and was saying that white, she called for on a Facebook post, she called for white women to take this racist white, take her racist white ass out or something like that. | ||
| The thing about this all of that. | ||
| Call her out. | ||
| Maybe call her out. | ||
| The thing about all of this is really dangerous because at some point white people go, yeah, okay. | ||
| But she's calling her white. | ||
| She's calling her racist white. | ||
| Like, God damn it, just because someone doesn't agree with you on something that's really racist doesn't mean they're a racist. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| But it's dangerous to do this because, I mean, if you're going to use this as a weapon against other people, that's what this is. | ||
| This is an attack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's refusing to cooperate, so they're attacking him. | ||
| Well, it's a control. | ||
| It's without a doubt, it's about control. | ||
| This is 100% about people trying to control other people. | ||
| It's political, entirely political, and this is a political attack. | ||
| And if you're going, right, you don't want to be a racist, do you? | ||
| At some point, white people are just going to go, I guess I'm racist. | ||
| Did you see where they had the president and they were talking to him? | ||
| And the president was addressing these students. | ||
| They were being fucking completely ridiculous. | ||
| And they told him to put his hands down because his hands were a microaggression. | ||
| And then a kid stood up next to him in like a threatening manner and told him to put his hands down. | ||
| And he put his hands down. | ||
| They started laughing. | ||
| They started laughing. | ||
| It's clearly a game. | ||
| They're playing ping-pong. | ||
| They're playing checkers. | ||
| They're just bullying them. | ||
| They're bullying him. | ||
| But it's not just that. | ||
| It's not just bullying. | ||
| Oh, no, of course. | ||
| It's like them grouping up to support each other. | ||
| Can you imagine how he feels? | ||
| Well, he was saying that he believes it's like a mass psychosis. | ||
| That literally it's like a mass hysteria. | ||
| It's like people losing their minds in this way. | ||
| They aren't losing their minds at all. | ||
| They're being given undue power that they don't deserve. | ||
| They haven't earned all of this power. | ||
| But they're doing something with that power. | ||
| If they gave you that power, you wouldn't. | ||
| So it is some sort of a psychosis. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, no, absolutely. | ||
| These people are, they've never been, they're not being held to an account. | ||
| They're not being told, look, when you earn power, you generally have to, I mean, that's a karate kid, isn't it? | ||
| You earn power, you have to be responsible with that power. | ||
| And that's what a good leader is. | ||
| These people are just being given power. | ||
| They haven't earned it. | ||
| They're being given it, and they are being told they can't do anything wrong. | ||
| And so they think, well, fuck, I'll do whatever the fuck I like then. | ||
| They're also told that you can always step up and talk about your blackness or whatever, and everyone has to kind of shut the fuck up. | ||
| There's these carte blanche. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's these subjects that you can sort of intersect or inject your race into or your gender or the fact that you're trans or the fact that you're marginalized. | ||
| Marginalized in any way, Latino. | ||
| And you can kind of shut down discussion. | ||
| And it's one of the things that you see when this president is addressing the students and students step up and they're asking questions. | ||
| This is a long, it looks like a hostage negotiation. | ||
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It is. | |
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
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It is. | |
| They get up and they start talking about their own individual identity. | ||
| Let me talk to you about the color of my skin. | ||
| That's not my business. | ||
| Well, whatever it is, the fact that I have a vagina, the fact that I... | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Even my wife's going to complain, to be honest. | ||
| It becomes the thing, you know? | ||
| It becomes the thing that you're discussing rather than whatever the actual thing you're discussing is. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem with identity politics. | ||
| It's not a form of politics. | ||
| It doesn't go anywhere. | ||
| It's designed to grind the dialogue to a halt and to give the person making the argument control of everyone else around them. | ||
| That's where it is. | ||
| Unjustly. | ||
| This person hasn't earned this. | ||
| Yeah, that's where it is, right? | ||
| It's like you have a total control of the conversation now, and you have set these very clear parameters. | ||
| And there's a lot of that, man. | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| It's cancer. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's not healthy. | ||
| It's just bizarre that that would fly in a university setting. | ||
| And I've applauded. | ||
| I think the professor agrees with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The deans are. | ||
| Some of them, but also they don't want to lose their jobs. | ||
| And the students coming in, they're going to change the world. | ||
| They act like a mob. | ||
| They act like an enemy faction, an army within these things. | ||
| And this is the reason that I'm so good at identifying this, because I'm really well read in power politics. | ||
| If you want to know what's going on, what you need to do is read The Prince, read Alinsky, and read Robert Greene. | ||
| That'll teach you how to understand these people. | ||
| And these people are, I mean, everything they're doing is about power and control. | ||
| It's about influence over what's going on. | ||
| And at any point, you can break this influence by just simply understanding how they're gaining it. | ||
| I think Jordan Peterson's got some pretty unique insight into it because he's been dealing with it for several years and in a very high-profile way. | ||
| But one of the things that he said, he believes it's about revenge. | ||
| He says he thinks that a lot of these people that are so active on campus and they're in this fever pitch, he goes, a lot of them were bullied and pushed around when they were younger and they were socially awkward and not in the good, cool groups. | ||
| And now they want revenge. | ||
| And this is why they want to label everyone who plays sports as being some sort of a misogynist woman raper. | ||
| You know, I mean, that's really what it is. | ||
| Like everyone who's in a frat house is a misogynist, homophobic rapist. | ||
| Like there's no way around it. | ||
| You're in a frat. | ||
| It's like that woman who thought it was okay to say that that guy who got killed, like that they would do Coke and rape girls at a frat party. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Okay, this is a caricature. | ||
| I mean, imagine if someone did an equal caricature about a black man. | ||
| It's so racist. | ||
| It's unbelievably racist. | ||
| It is racist, but it's just, it's all. | ||
| It's also mean. | ||
| It's like, this guy's dead. | ||
| He fucking got beaten to death for taking a poster. | ||
| That's all he did. | ||
| Like, you're putting all these straw man definitions on this guy, but all this guy did is a young guy's dumb thing. | ||
| I'm going to steal this poster. | ||
| And he's dead now. | ||
| Like, that's it. | ||
| The fact that he's white. | ||
| He's got a totalitarian regime. | ||
| You've got no sympathy for him whatsoever. | ||
| What the fuck's wrong with you? | ||
| Would you be cool if he was Colombian? | ||
| If he was a Colombian American and they beat him to death like that? | ||
| Would that be okay? | ||
| How would you feel then? | ||
| Would you come up with some sort of a Colombian influence that he's got that you don't have? | ||
| And so he's got some sort of a Colombian privilege? | ||
| I mean, how is this guy not being hideously oppressed anyway? | ||
| He's been captured, you know, taken by the North Koreans. | ||
| He's been beaten to death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they were literally like, oh, proof that your white male privilege isn't universal. | ||
| It's like, you know, if you're going to say that, I mean, you'd have to be a fucking moron to say that because everything about the ideology itself is contextual. | ||
| It's power plus privilege. | ||
| Therefore, it must have a context. | ||
| There must be more white people around for it to work. | ||
| And therefore, if we go to Zimbabwe, white people are hideously oppressed by their definition in Zimbabwe, when the white farmers are getting the farms appropriated by black African pan-Marxists or whatever they are, then of course they're being oppressed. | ||
| Of course it's not universal. | ||
| Of course it's contextual. | ||
| It's the most asinine thing to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, oh, it's not universal. | ||
| Fucking duh. | ||
| You've got universal. | ||
| What you were talking about. | ||
| I'm drinking a lot because I'm really dehydrated. | ||
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Don't worry about it. | |
| I just don't have to hydrate myself. | ||
| Apologize for drinking water. | ||
| I don't know how you want to. | ||
| I know I'm consistently doing it and it's like, you know. | ||
| Don't worry about it, man. | ||
| But I think it's also what you were talking about where they want to make it all about them. | ||
| Like here, this woman has taken this situation, which is horribly tragic, and now she's talking about students that she has to deal with that are white men that are doing Coke and raping girls at frat parties, just like this guy. | ||
| But it is a horrible generalization. | ||
| They keep making up the stories of it. | ||
| But she's making it about her and her classes and the guys that she has, the clueless guys that she has to deal with in her classes. | ||
| And she's just deciding that this guy is that without any personal knowledge of him at all. | ||
| This is the future we've got now. | ||
| And she's turning it on herself and she's a victim because she has to deal with these students and these clueless white rich male students. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Now I'm not saying there's no twats out there, a bunch of dudes who are shitheads. | ||
| And for sure there are. | ||
| Just like there's women that suck too. | ||
| There's humans that suck. | ||
| It has nothing to do with gender or race. | ||
| That's racist to categorize them in that particular way. | ||
| There's plenty of humans that happen to be white males that are great, that happen to be black women that are great. | ||
| There's plenty of people that are cool across the board in every single gender, race. | ||
| Of course, you treat people as individuals. | ||
| You treat them by the content of the character. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| MLK was saying, I mean, that's the right way to do things. | ||
| That's the most disturbing thing about this, is that a fucking professor who's teaching young people is generalizing this horrendous way. | ||
| And she thinks it's okay because this kid stole a poster. | ||
| And what did he think was going to happen? | ||
| What did he think was going to happen? | ||
| Jesus Christ, when you're 20 years old, you're not thinking. | ||
| I mean, how the fuck does this dummy not know that? | ||
| How does she not understand just the science of the development of the human brain, which has been clearly established over the past 20, 30 years? | ||
| 25. | ||
| The frontal cortex. | ||
| It's not even developing. | ||
| These kids do stupid things for you. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Unbelievably stupid. | ||
| And I have, and I'm sure you have, too. | ||
| Especially if you have a dick. | ||
| There's something about being a dude that makes you dumber. | ||
| My miss is a dude. | ||
| You do dumber shit. | ||
| My miss is like, look, you know, I don't want to sound like a bigger, but it's always men. | ||
| It is? | ||
| It's always men. | ||
| They're trying to impress women or something like that. | ||
| It's always men. | ||
| But let me educate you on something. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Say the word at. | ||
| At. | ||
| And I'll put the letters T-W before it. | ||
| TWAT? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's how you say it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And if you're going to appropriate our language, it's American now. | ||
| That's why we spell tires different. | ||
| We don't use a Y in tire. | ||
| It's TWAT. | ||
| It's TWAT. | ||
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No. | |
| You can say it any way you want, dude, but I'm saying TWAT. | ||
| It's our language, Jeff. | ||
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If I say TWAT, I'm going to run into problems with my people. | |
| There's more of us than there are of you. | ||
| We stole your language. | ||
| God damn it, man. | ||
| It's ours now. | ||
| It's American. | ||
| In the future, you know, it won't be English anymore. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I know. | ||
| But like Latin became Spanish. | ||
| It's just going to happen. | ||
| So I've got like another 10 minutes. | ||
| Is there anything else you want to talk about? | ||
| Anything, man. | ||
| What do you want to talk about besides Anita Sarkeesian? | ||
| Yeah, no, I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| Jesus Christ, bro. | ||
| She's going to be victimized by this. | ||
| Oh, she's already pissy. | ||
| But yeah, anyway. | ||
| By the way, Anita, I got no hate for you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm not this dude. | ||
| I'd have you on. | ||
| I'd talk to you just about that McIntosh. | ||
| You should come on. | ||
| You should come on. | ||
| And Jonathan McIntosh, yeah. | ||
| Grow pair. | ||
| There's a lot of those guys. | ||
| A lot of those vampire familiars. | ||
| You ever see the movie Blade? | ||
| Remember? | ||
| The vampire familiar hangs around with the vampires and thinks he's going to get in, and then they eventually kill him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Same thing with 30 Days of Night. | ||
| Except the Vampire Familiars don't usually sexually assault the vampires. | ||
| Those male feminist guys, they rarely get that off. | ||
| I love that Patton Oswald tweeted that out, didn't he? | ||
| He was like, you know, the male feminist sexual predator is the sort of Catholic priest molesting children of our generation. | ||
| It's so true. | ||
| It is so fucking true. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| I love male feminists. | ||
| They're just like the creepiest looking motherfuckers. | ||
| And then it turns out. | ||
| By the way, if you're not that way and you identify yourself as a feminist, no, I'm not talking about you. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| There's a lot of people out there that really want to. | ||
| They get locked into it because it sounds right. | ||
| You know, like, oh, are you for equal rights for women? | ||
| Yeah, then you're a feminist. | ||
| Okay, then I'm a feminist. | ||
| And you say it, and then people treat you differently because you say it because they say, oh, you've done a good job, Billy. | ||
| I'm going to pat you on the head. | ||
| You called yourself a feminist. | ||
| Why'd you define yourself, man? | ||
| Are you a human? | ||
| Like, every good human wants equality. | ||
| Every good human. | ||
| It's like many labels as well. | ||
| It's not that you're denying sexism. | ||
| Like, you know, you don't have to be a pro-black ally to deny or to rather deny accepting any form of racism. | ||
| That's a bad way to describe it. | ||
| But it's how they define these things. | ||
| If they have a different definition, if they say, we're structural, it's, you know, like, you know, institutional, we'll talk about racism. | ||
| It's an easier way of framing it. | ||
| And you say, well, you know, I think racism, I don't think the structures are actually racist. | ||
| I think that the individuals, certain individuals within the structures are racist. | ||
| Then what you're doing is undermining their entire philosophy. | ||
| And if you're undermining their entire philosophy by effectively individualizing it rather than collectivizing it, then they have to consider you an enemy. | ||
| Because what you're, if everyone, if you go, yeah, and then someone else goes, you know what, that's a good way of looking at it. | ||
| I'm going to look at that too. | ||
| And then a lot of people go, you know what, that's a great point. | ||
| Then suddenly their philosophy is just going to collapse. | ||
| No one's going to believe what they're saying. | ||
| And they're going to be like, no, but this is, I'm being horribly oppressed. | ||
| And everyone's like, well, not really. | ||
| There are some racists, but we deal with them. | ||
| We've got laws. | ||
| You know, we've got laws against racism. | ||
| We've got laws, affirmative action laws to bring black people in. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't think the system is actually as racist as you're saying. | ||
| I think that maybe there are a few bad actors. | ||
| And when we see one, we can spot them and get them out, you know. | ||
| Then how are these people going to play the victim? | ||
| How are they going to play the victim? | ||
| There's real racism and there's also real people playing the victim. | ||
| There's both. | ||
| Of course there's real racism, but we're vigilant for that. | ||
| Where are racists just tolerated? | ||
| Well, oh, the president of that company is now than ever, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The president of that company is a racist. | ||
| Yeah, well, we're just going to leave him because, you know, he's just like, you know, he's alright. | ||
| He's doing a good job. | ||
| And of course he's not. | ||
| He's going to be out of the door for sure. | ||
| They frame PewDiePie as being someone who may have been spreading anti-Semitism, which he probably. | ||
| I think they got him like millions of followers, though. | ||
| Well, they did, like two, three million, but they cost him millions of dollars. | ||
| Yeah, but I think ultimately it'll probably balance itself out. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's already gone in his favor. | ||
| They've already fucked themselves. | ||
| Yeah, but that's only because there was a credible alternative media. | ||
| I mean, like, PewDiePie, there's me and another YouTuber called Krauts and T. We both made videos about that. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| You're talking so fast. | ||
| Do you want to add it all? | ||
| No, it's just there's so much I need to tell you. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I'm probably not going to be here again, and there's a lot you need to tell you. | ||
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Come on, man. | |
| You're coming back. | ||
| Oh, I'd love to. | ||
| You know, you like it. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| And when I've had a bit more sleep as well, that'll be anything. | ||
| But anyway, a YouTuber called Kraut and T. Kraut and T? | ||
| Yeah, he's a German guy. | ||
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Kraut and T. Oh, like T, like the sip tea. | |
| Yeah, because he's half English, half German. | ||
| Okay, oh, I get it. | ||
| And he did a video about this as well. | ||
| I did a video about this. | ||
| And PewDiePie did a video using the information and statistics we've compiled to be like to do his own video and used us as sources. | ||
| Say, look, this is where I got this information. | ||
| And he tweeted out. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit, that's really nice of him. | ||
| But it's really interesting how we helped him fight back because he's a comedian. | ||
| He doesn't do all this professionally. | ||
| He doesn't know what to look for. | ||
| And why would he? | ||
| No one would. | ||
| You wouldn't expect him to. | ||
| But luckily, this was our speciality. | ||
| We've been going against the media since day one because we know they're a bunch of liars. | ||
| We know they are. | ||
| Some of them are. | ||
| There's got to be. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, there's got to be good journalists. | ||
| But that's no excuse, though. | ||
| You know, a platform like the Wall Street Journal, if you want to maintain your reputation, you don't publish shit like that. | ||
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Well, how do you think? | |
| That's unacceptable. | ||
| What is their response? | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't address it. | ||
| Why should they? | ||
| That seems so crazy. | ||
| They should address that. | ||
| And they should defend that. | ||
| Absolutely, they should. | ||
| I mean, is he suing them? | ||
| No, I don't think he sued them. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think he wants the trouble. | ||
| If he sued them, I'd back him. | ||
| I think he would win. | ||
| I can't see how he could lose. | ||
| Can you prove they cost you money? | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Is this actual anti-Semitism? | ||
| Obviously not. | ||
| How could they do it? | ||
| Did they take you out of context? | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| And in fact, one of the jokes was that they would take him out of context. | ||
| How could he lose this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it is possible. | ||
| Honestly, I think that what he should do is find out how much the Wall Street Journal cost to buy and then crowdfund it. | ||
| I'd donate to that. | ||
| I'd spread it around. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lawsuit, recent lawsuit that I couldn't believe was thrown out. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I can't remember it now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not going to remember. | ||
| I'm not sure, you know, a few hundred million dollars. | ||
| But, like, I mean, he's got 55 million subscribers and he's a very influential man. | ||
| And there are a lot of people who like him who would love to support him. | ||
| Maybe it's possible. | ||
| Maybe he could speak to, I don't know, some nice wealthy benefactors who are like, you know what, I hate these people. | ||
| Like that Peter Thiel guy, what he did with Hulk Hogan versus. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Wouldn't it just be the funniest thing in the world to see PewDiePie as the owner of the Wall Street Journal? | ||
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Wouldn't that just be fun? | |
| That would be hilarious. | ||
| Wealthy billionaires who happen to be, obviously wealthy, happen to be watching this and think, you know what, we could get one over on these bitches. | ||
| And we don't have to just let them win. | ||
| We don't have to just let them win. | ||
| We could. | ||
| Well, I feel like the New York Times feels incredibly challenged right now. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal we were talking about. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm talking about the New York Times. | ||
| Sorry, I'm just making sure that. | ||
| I was going to say, with, you're just so ready to go. | ||
| I am. | ||
| Just so much words. | ||
| Unfortunately, I know you don't have much time. | ||
| But about Donald Trump, I was going to say. | ||
| Yeah, I wish I'd. | ||
| Is there any way you could reschedule or schedule your flight? | ||
| Yeah, I could just, I could. | ||
| Well, you can. | ||
| I just want to make sure you don't get stuck here. | ||
| Well, I can just buy another ticket tomorrow. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| It'll cost me a fortune, but it's fine. | ||
| Well, a fortune for an hour of podcasting seems one accurate. | ||
| You've only got an hour. | ||
| I've got another hour. | ||
| 800 pounds. | ||
| Well, no, probably more. | ||
| It's probably 1,000 pounds, so I probably shouldn't. | ||
| What's 1,000 pounds? | ||
| Probably about $1,200. | ||
| We'll take care of it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, we'll put it on the budget. | ||
| What the fuck am I going to do for the rest of the day? | ||
| We're going to hang out, man. | ||
| You're going to go to the movies. | ||
| You serious? | ||
| Have an ice cream. | ||
| Well, what am I going to do? | ||
| Seriously, what am I going to do? | ||
| I don't know what you're going to do, dude. | ||
| But if you want to do another hour of podcasting, we can. | ||
| We should just say we were supposed to start at 9. | ||
| We're a little late because the traffic here is insane. | ||
| My wife's going to kill me. | ||
| Your wife's going to kill you if you don't come home? | ||
| Then go home, man. | ||
| She'll understand that. | ||
| You sure? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mixed messages. | ||
| She'll understand that. | ||
| She's going to kill me because she learns to stand there. | ||
| All right, so we keep going? | ||
| Yeah, going on the hill. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| So where were we? | ||
| Where were we? | ||
| Buying the Wall Street Journal with Peter Thiel's money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, what I was saying is that the New York Times feels very challenged by Donald Trump's dismissal of them as fake news and all these different attacks. | ||
| And because of that, they've sort of doubled down on the ethics of journalism. | ||
| They've tried really hard to be better at what they do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I saw. | ||
| But that's a real indictment of the state of journalism, isn't it? | ||
| When they have to do a little bit. | ||
| You know, we're going to recommit ourselves to actually being journalists. | ||
| Good thinking, what's the new thing? | ||
| They've been called out in a way that they've never been called out before. | ||
| Of course they did lose. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's the president. | ||
| They became political activists. | ||
| They weren't journalists. | ||
| They're right. | ||
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Right. | |
| And they were on the losing side. | ||
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Right. | |
| Get wrecked. | ||
| You know, of course you've got to suddenly go, well, okay, hold our hands up. | ||
| Okay, let's try not being liars anymore. | ||
| But what does that trickle down from? | ||
| Is it from the editors who lost sight? | ||
| Is it the writers themselves that they hire? | ||
| Is it the ethics behind the business of the magazine or of the newspaper? | ||
| Unfortunately, I don't know the ins and outs of the- I don't know if you can. | ||
| If I had speculate, I'd probably say it's coming from the top, and they're just like, what the fuck is happening here? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like we're seeing with these tech companies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like we're seeing with these people that are like Uber progressive in Google or wherever the fuck they are. | ||
| Yeah, that's a weird thing, man. | ||
| We're dealing with a real, I mean, I hate to use the word, but it's the real word, culture war. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I mean, that's the term. | ||
| It's the correct term. | ||
| These people are culture warriors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is why I term this in like power politics, because they are attacking people. | ||
| I mean, like attacking PewDiePie, they're costing him money. | ||
| I mean, they didn't even publish their article. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal didn't even publish their article before they had gone to Disney and got them to pull their money from him. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So they brought that to the city. | ||
| Before publishing, how just behind that? | ||
| Do you think it's because they heard that he was getting this big fat deal from Disney and they're like, fuck this guy? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's because PewDiePie doesn't play ball with them. | ||
| Doesn't play ball? | ||
| How so? | ||
| He's not a progressive. | ||
| He's a liberal. | ||
| He doesn't sit there going, oh, well, you know, feminism's a good idea, guys. | ||
| He's red-pilling the new generation about feminism. | ||
| He makes anti-feminism videos every now and again, and they're actually quite funny. | ||
| People should check them out. | ||
| He's just ragging on this because it's stupid shit. | ||
| It's the sort of stupid shit like we've been talking about. | ||
| And rightly so, this is bollocks. | ||
| And it's good that he's telling kids, look, this is crap. | ||
| Just treat people well. | ||
| Just treat people as an individual. | ||
| Well, I say male feminism. | ||
| It is crap. | ||
| But don't you think it's being sort of like it's eroding the same way male feminism is eroding? | ||
| Like that term is a very derogatory term now. | ||
| You call someone a male feminist. | ||
| Most people just go, ugh. | ||
| If you call someone a social justice warrior, I mean, that is a mocking term now. | ||
| That term is not something that someone carries. | ||
| There was a while where people were like, I read quotes like, yeah, we are warriors. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, in the beginning, they were like embracing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's not an SJW on the Joe Rogan podcast. | ||
| Aren't you like the number one podcast in the world? | ||
| It's probably up there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not an SJW sat here telling me, listen, let me tell you how to check your privilege show. | ||
| No, I haven't had one of those on. | ||
| I would be fascinated. | ||
| You should get one on just to pick up the picture. | ||
| They probably know where your studio is and you have to talk to them for an hour. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I can tell you what they think because I've spoken to them. | ||
| I mean, that's a cop-out because the people would be like, yeah, man, share both sides. | ||
| You should have both sides. | ||
| No, actually, I shouldn't. | ||
| I should just talk. | ||
| I'm just not interested in you. | ||
| Yeah, I mean. | ||
| You're creepy and weird. | ||
| Just be honest, but you've probably harassed someone. | ||
| There's some merit to having these volatile discussions with people that you disagree with. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I like it. | ||
| People keep asking me to talk to Richard Spencer. | ||
| It's like, yeah, but I've talked to SJWs already. | ||
| I know what the identitarians think. | ||
| Every time someone like Cat Black is sitting there going, oh, let me tell you about my blackness. | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| A YouTuber called Cat Black. | ||
| Oh, you're deep in the YouTube world. | ||
| Oh, yeah, of course I am. | ||
| You refer to him like we all know who you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, sorry. | ||
| But she's actually really great. | ||
| She's talking about her. | ||
| She's a Carl Rowe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She's a black trans YouTuber. | ||
| She's actually really great. | ||
| And people are going to be surprised to hear me say that. | ||
| But I've never done a video about her because she's not full of shit. | ||
| She's just an identitarian. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that she's bad or anything like this. | ||
| That just means she talks about herself a lot. | ||
| But she's actually got this really great streak in her that's really fair. | ||
| And so when, I mean, these people run like lemmings off cliff. | ||
| When they get an idea in their head, they're like, oh my God, yes, we should all, you know, jump on, you know, like Lacey Green when she abandons their community or something. | ||
| She's another YouTuber. | ||
| I'm so Jesus Christ. | ||
| Hey, you're on YouTube, right? | ||
| You're on YouTube. | ||
| You should. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Who is Lacey Green? | ||
| What is she? | ||
| She's a feminist who realized how toxic the community that she was part of. | ||
| Millions of subscribers. | ||
| Oh, wait a minute. | ||
| Is she the girl that was, it turned out, was dating some sort of some guy who is. | ||
| Is he a neo-Nazi? | ||
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No. | |
| What are you joking around? | ||
| Yeah, he's probably watching this. | ||
| Okay, well, I don't give a fuck if he's watching. | ||
| Let's try to follow this. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm going to talk to him later. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's not a neo-Nazi, obviously. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Well, what was his deal, though? | ||
| Well, nothing. | ||
| They start dating. | ||
| But isn't he like a... | ||
| He's pretty liberal. | ||
| Oh, that's what it is. | ||
| Okay, so he's an anti-SJW person. | ||
| That's what he is. | ||
| Yeah, we're basically disaffected liberals, mostly. | ||
| And so... | ||
| People got mad at her because she was dating this guy who they don't agree with. | ||
| Yeah, because he's against feminism and Black Lives Matter and things like that. | ||
| Why do people give a fuck who people date? | ||
| Why is that a daughter? | ||
| Because they're controlling psychocultists. | ||
| And they dragged her all across social media. | ||
| I mean, some of the worst things I've seen. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But what did they talk about? | ||
| Oh, like, just, you know, I mean, like, one thing that annoys me is that, like, you know, six months ago, everyone was like, yeah, we love Lisa Green. | ||
| She's great. | ||
| She's a feminist. | ||
| She's, you know, her sex ed stuff's brilliant, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then as soon as she's like, you know, I kind of, I met this guy, I like this guy, and he's actually making some really good points. | ||
| They're like, your sex ed stuff sucked. | ||
| You suck. | ||
| Everything you've ever done sucked. | ||
| Get out of our community. | ||
| And then, I mean, you know, she gets death threats and things like that. | ||
| And she used to get them from like, I guess, like alt-writer types who were in their basements or something who hated her. | ||
| But now she gets them from the SJW types. | ||
| I wish people would just not send threats and shit. | ||
| It doesn't do anything. | ||
| It just makes, it's just nasty for people. | ||
| Well, it definitely is that. | ||
| But it's just, it's so sad that someone can't just date someone that they don't agree with. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| She obviously likes the guy. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And you can't change your opinion either. | ||
| No, your opinion can't evolve. | ||
| It can't. | ||
| You'll be a flip-flopper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you even control what you believe? | ||
| I believe that you could, but then what did I just say? | ||
| I said, I believe that I could control what I believe. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's really important. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So now you don't believe it, right? | ||
| Because you've just decided, I don't believe that now. | ||
| I'm going to believe that I can change now. | ||
| Well, I believe that people do change, for sure. | ||
| Well, no, no, but they do. | ||
| It's not like a conscious choice to say, you know what, one day, I mean, I'm an atheist, so one day I'm going to be like, actually, yeah, I'm going to choose to believe in God. | ||
| Do you either believe or you don't believe in it? | ||
| I don't think it's a choice. | ||
| Well, I can see what you're saying, but I think that when you're going over the possibilities of any subject in your mind, you're influenced by a host of factors. | ||
| First of all, how you physically feel, where you are in your life, what kind of relationship you have with your family, like where your job is right now. | ||
| I know a lot of people that hit the fucking bottom and then all of a sudden they became religious. | ||
| Do you think that a coincidence? | ||
| No, it's like at that stage in your life, you needed to believe something. | ||
| And that helped you. | ||
| And it helped you to believe that thing. | ||
| And maybe, I mean, how many dudes find Jesus while they're getting their dick sucked in a jacuzzi? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's probably pretty low. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Unless it's like a really bad blowjob and you just feel sad and you actually like it went really badly wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Jesus, help me. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Help me, Jesus. | ||
| But, you know, people find, they find love and happiness in weird places. | ||
| They find depression in weird places. | ||
| So it's really a lot of what you believe depends on where you're at in your life. | ||
| It can very well be influenced where you go one way or the other. | ||
| And then once someone has an opinion, whether it's God is real or God is fake, they fucking fight that to the death. | ||
| Like that is their stance, and they can't change it. | ||
| They can't move it around. | ||
| And if you do, you're a flip-flopper. | ||
| Well, if you didn't reason yourself into it, then you can't be reasoned out of it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Well, that term flip-flopper is so fucking hilarious. | ||
| It's so stupid because it's a moronic political term and really only existed because politicians did not have a forum to defend the evolution of their ideas before. | ||
| Now they can go online. | ||
| Bernie Sanders has a fucking podcast, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| They can go on YouTube or Facebook. | ||
| They don't need to be in some sort of a political forum, some sort of a formal debate. | ||
| Yeah, they can just talk about their ideas. | ||
| Like, this is what I used to believe, and this is why I changed my mind. | ||
| And they could do that over the course of an hour in a YouTube video. | ||
| And as clearly as the mind could decipher, state their opinions on things. | ||
| But because people couldn't in the past, like, he used to be tough on crime. | ||
| Now he's a flip-flopper. | ||
| Yeah, your policy is. | ||
| You know, it might not be what happened. | ||
| He might used to be tough on crime, but then he was given evidence of systematic racism. | ||
| Then he realized how corrupt the police department is. | ||
| And then he realized that they have mandated quotas where they have to arrest a certain amount of people, and this is probably the best place to do it because those people don't have the money for legal representation. | ||
| So that's why my opinion evolved. | ||
| But you couldn't do that in the past. | ||
| So someone would just call you a flip-flopper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The internet's changed everything and for the better by a long term. | ||
| And by the way, this is not discrediting real flip-flopping, right? | ||
| Well, no, obviously, if someone doesn't really hold a position and they're just doing it because it's a popular thing to do, like Hillary Clinton, for example. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| Clinton and Trump on gay marriage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the best one. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Trump has been consistent on that for decades now. | ||
| Hillary Clinton in 2008 was like, well, I believe it's men and a woman. | ||
| Until 2013. | ||
| It wasn't until 2013 she finally came clean and went gay marriage. | ||
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Right. | |
| I didn't even know. | ||
| Up until 2013. | ||
| I believe there's a video of her from 2013, in fact, saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. | ||
| Of course she would. | ||
| And then suddenly, oh, no, you've got to change your position on that. | ||
| And she's like, a sacred bond. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| I don't give a shit because I'm Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I'm here for the money. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a careerist. | ||
| I'm going to be the first woman president because I had to fuck Bill Clinton. | ||
| I would love to read what the crazy shit she said to those bankers in those quarter million dollar speeches. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| No, the transcripts that she won't release. | ||
| No, Wikileaks has released a bunch of them. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When did they do that? | ||
| Like, she wants open borders, like hemispheric open borders, where one hemisphere is just free and open, and another one is free and open. | ||
| To eventually get a united globalized world. | ||
| And, you know, there's loads of stuff in there that's just. | ||
| And she's saying how she holds a public position. | ||
| She said this to the bankers. | ||
| She said that in the speech, that she holds a public and a private position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did not know that they got that. | ||
| Why didn't Bernie Sanders ever discuss that? | ||
| Was this a brief thing? | ||
| He's a cuck. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, no, no, don't even. | ||
| No, no, cuck. | ||
| Oh, a cuck. | ||
| No, he's not a cunt. | ||
| Bernie Sanders seems like a very nice man. | ||
| He's a cuck. | ||
| Well, I mean, you saw Black Lives Matter take over a stage, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah, I did. | ||
| That was horrible. | ||
| Oh, no, it was sad. | ||
| It was fucking sad. | ||
| Bernie, these little bullies have got no right to your platform, and they're literally screeching him. | ||
| We are being reasonable, screaming in his face like Bernie. | ||
| As soon as someone approaches him, he needs them on his side. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| That lost me. | ||
| I didn't approve of that. | ||
| I was at that point a supporter of Bernie. | ||
| I like Bernie. | ||
| I thought, okay, he's maybe a little further left. | ||
| I mean, I'd have to go. | ||
| But he took a chance in having him go up there. | ||
| I like that, though. | ||
| I like that he took the chance to let them talk. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think they should be able to do it, but I think it does give you a sense of who he is. | ||
| That he's like, all right, tell me what you want. | ||
| Tell me what you're looking for. | ||
| He's just like standing at the side like this. | ||
| And it's like an attorney, you're not a leader, mate. | ||
| Well, if he moves his hands, they're microaggression. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| We've learned that from Evergreen State. | ||
| You should have had your boundaries. | ||
| I mean, you didn't immediately capitulate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that was your boundary. | ||
| You just didn't stick to it. | ||
| Oh, that's a good point. | ||
| You should have said, listen, no. | ||
| I'm going to call security. | ||
| You're going to be escorted away. | ||
| Maybe we can discuss it in future. | ||
| But if someone comes up to you and starts screeching in your face that they're being reasonable, you draw the line and you stick to it. | ||
| You do not let that person bully you out of your podium. | ||
| It's yours, not theirs. | ||
| They've got no right to it. | ||
| Tell them to get fucked. | ||
| Well, you know, he's being investigated now. | ||
| They're going after. | ||
| I heard, but I haven't looked into it. | ||
| Financial dealings with his wife and him in a small university where she made some decisions that ultimately didn't pan out financially. | ||
| And it caused the university to go under. | ||
| Oh, dear. | ||
| They acquired a bunch of new land and they were going to expand the university and they got a lot of loans and they started construction, all this jazz, and apparently it just wasn't sustainable. | ||
| And so now I think there's allegations, which of course, whenever something fails like that, there's allegations that someone mishandled something. | ||
| So they've been forced to return to the state. | ||
| How is this lawyer dredged up? | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| It's been the news. | ||
| I haven't really deeply gone into the story. | ||
| But the basics of the story are she worked for this university. | ||
| She wanted it to expand. | ||
| They spent a lot of money expanding. | ||
| It didn't work out. | ||
| It doesn't sound on the face of it like Malfeasance was necessarily involved. | ||
| The worry is that he used his influence to make certain things happen that allowed it to take place. | ||
| Perhaps that's the allegation, I believe. | ||
| I still think Ron Paul can win, to be honest. | ||
| He might. | ||
| He's old. | ||
| Yeah, he's way too old. | ||
| Bernie's way too old. | ||
| They're always too old. | ||
| Why are politicians so old, dude? | ||
| Because it takes that long before we trust you. | ||
| It's sad, though. | ||
| Isn't there like some guy in his 40s who's basically saying the same thing as Bernie Sanders? | ||
| We don't trust him. | ||
| Fucking creep. | ||
| Who gives a shit who he fucks? | ||
| This is the thing with Bill Clinton, man. | ||
| It really pissed me off. | ||
| It's like, look, I don't give a shit. | ||
| People do. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Well, it's because they can find out about it and they couldn't find out about it before. | ||
| So you got a guy like JFK who's a total pussyhound, who people revere as a great, great person. | ||
| He's MLK. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Total pussyhound. | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| He's smoking that fire. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| And this is the thing. | ||
| But why do we care? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's the other question. | ||
| That's a problem with him and his wife. | ||
| That's nothing to do with me. | ||
| And it doesn't surprise me at all. | ||
| Great men always get women flinging themselves at them. | ||
| And okay, they're only human. | ||
| If you've got some really attractive woman flinging herself at you, going, go on, we can just, nothing's going to go wrong. | ||
| You know, it'll be great. | ||
| No one will know. | ||
| No fucking surprise. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not a judgment on their character either. | ||
| That's just them being a bit weak in the moment. | ||
| You know, they know it's wrong. | ||
| They know they shouldn't have done it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, the culture was very, very, very different. | ||
| The culture of politics was very different back then. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| People knew about the president's affairs. | ||
| Who was the president that had polio? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who's the president that had polio? | ||
| Had a wheelchair. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Was it Roosevelt? | ||
| Is it the guy who's got all the little round glasses and it's like, ah, smile. | ||
| Was it Roosevelt that had polio? | ||
| I'd have to look it up. | ||
| Anyway, he was, yeah. | ||
| Teddy? | ||
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Franklin. | |
| Franklin. | ||
| Franklin Delano Roosevelt. | ||
| He had polio, and the press knew it, and they hid it from everybody. | ||
| They just, no one. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was the thing with JFK. | ||
| That was the thing with Lyndon Johnson famously held a press conference while he was taking a shit. | ||
| He was literally taking a shit with the door open in the stall when he was talking to the press. | ||
| Because there was like boundaries, you know. | ||
| They couldn't say that. | ||
| This guy had a code of honor. | ||
| Yeah, this guy was taking a horrible steam. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I also think that once Watergate broke, once you realize that, hey, it's pretty obvious this president is a fucking liar and a crook, and we need, if we have any responsibility, we need to expose this. | ||
| Well, once you expose that, man, you open up that door, woo! | ||
| People find out the genie's out of the bottle, and then they want to know everything. | ||
| They want to know. | ||
| As soon as it becomes permissible. | ||
| Well, it's up to people not to care. | ||
| It's up to people to understand that, look, at the end of the day, you are the person who is making the difference. | ||
| And it's a small difference. | ||
| But if we all agree that we're all making a small difference and we think, okay, I'm going to act in a way that I find personally responsible. | ||
| If we all say, right, well, we're all going to act in ways that we find personally responsible, we'll just end up with a better world without having to change anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all in our heads. | ||
| Don't you think that today is probably harder than ever to manage what you're paying attention to and what you're not? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, if you think about fake news and like parts and, I mean, that's a real problem with social media. | ||
| There have been studies done that show like, and it's more on the left, but it's also very much on the right. | ||
| You know, like, you know, I don't know, like 70, 60 or something like that, you know, but it's slightly more on the left. | ||
| Where people just essentially get one political viewpoint. | ||
| And so the social media is just a stream of content that's all telling you the same thing. | ||
| What was the story that just came out about a fake news story that cost some company some untold millions of dollars? | ||
| Might have even been, they might have even said a billion dollars in stock. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And it just came out today. | ||
| Like that a company was extremely devalued because of a fake news story. | ||
| That is a danger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, it's a big danger. | ||
| Especially if you trade in the stock market and then all of a sudden it causes a cascade of panic and people just start dumping their stock and you're fucked. | ||
| And it all turns out to be fake. | ||
| I mean the idea would be that it would balance out eventually, but if it was a fragile company, who knows? | ||
| But who knows what damage that could have done to them. | ||
| Did you find it? | ||
| It's a really recent news story. | ||
| It just came out today or yesterday. | ||
| It's the flip side of being able to hold people accountable. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, you can hold it. | ||
| The internet's fantastic. | ||
| Social media's fantastic. | ||
| YouTube's fantastic. | ||
| And I think you can make real arguments that these things are now critical to free speech. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And this should be understood. | ||
| But on the flip side, someone could say something that's not true. | ||
| That's free speech. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's unfortunate, but it's amazing when you really think about it how rare it is. | ||
| I mean, even though it's fairly common, you're talking about 7 billion people. | ||
| Yeah, even if it only happened once a day, that's still only one thing a day. | ||
| That's nothing. | ||
| But I mean, it is up to everyone. | ||
| I mean, like, they'll probably have to educate kids in school. | ||
| When you see something going on on social media, you're going to have to fact check it. | ||
| I think there's going to be much more sophisticated ways of understanding whether or not someone's being honest. | ||
| And I think what we're looking at now is just like when people started reading books that were written, they never imagined that someone was going to have a printing press. | ||
| And when people had a printing press, no one was ever going to imagine that you were going to put that on the internet. | ||
| So I think there's probably something around the bend right now for us that's going to radically change the factual interpretation of information. | ||
| Like you're going to know what's real and what's not. | ||
| And it's probably going to be something that you're not even going to understand what it's about now. | ||
| Like that as technology evolves in this bizarre and exponential way, they're going to reach some new critical way of distributing information. | ||
| And then things are going to get very strange. | ||
| Just the way they're strange now, where we have this radical new ability to put out content like you do or I do. | ||
| I think in the future there's going to be another change that's just as monumental and just as huge. | ||
| And it's probably going to deal with how we interface with that data. | ||
| Like some sort of a wearable thing or a mind thing where you can recognize patterns as being true or untrue. | ||
| Recognize humans as being honest or dishonest. | ||
| Like you're going to be able to see. | ||
| You're going to find it, man. | ||
| We're going to get to, you know, people are really worried about the lack of privacy now. | ||
| I feel like that is just step one to this ultimate, very bizarre, symbiotic relationship we're going to have with each other and technology where we're going to be inside each other's heads in a very new way. | ||
| It comes back to kind of what I was saying about racism. | ||
| Like the SAWs and like the Evergreen College students going, hey, if you do this, you're a racist. | ||
| Eventually they just go, yeah, okay, I'm a racist. | ||
| They'll just say it. | ||
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| And they'll be like, yeah, but you're a racist and then I know what's next. | ||
| And they'll be like, yeah, but you're supposed to do something because otherwise I'll call you a racist. | ||
| Yeah, okay, I'll just be a racist then. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything anymore if I'm a racist. | ||
| I have to get consent to give that power. | ||
| And if I don't consent, like, you know, if you, like, what was Kurt Eichenwald or whatever who caught with the tentacle porn? | ||
| He should have just owned it. | ||
| Well, yeah, fuck you. | ||
| You probably watched some shit stuff too. | ||
| You know, what would they say? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He looks at tentacle porn. | ||
| He's like, yeah, and you look at what? | ||
| Go on, tell me what your porn watching habits are. | ||
| Go on, tell me about your puritanical porn watching. | ||
| You just watch two people in missionary for 20 minutes, and then that gets you off, does it? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Well, even if it doesn't get you off and you watch it, you know, like, what if you're just like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Like, if you look through my YouTube lists or you looked at my history online, you'd go, is that something you like? | ||
| No, I wanted to see what the fuck it was. | ||
| I just wanted to see what it was, yeah. | ||
| I don't like car accidents, but I watched that motorcycle kick that car and the car spins out and hits the barrier and then flips that other car. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it. | ||
| Everybody saw it. | ||
| Doesn't mean I liked it. | ||
| No, you know, but you know, a lot of things. | ||
| It's a lot of people. | ||
| Tentacle porn. | ||
| Yeah, wow. | ||
| Something about that makes me skeptical. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He should have just owned it. | ||
| It's such a silly. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| I don't even know what you're talking about. | ||
| This guy Iconworld, I think it is. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he's a right-wing journalist or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, and they caught him into tentacle porn? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it was in his search history or something. | ||
| Did you find that story about? | ||
| Well, there's someone. | ||
| Dude, I know I have that devalued story. | ||
| Like, someone sent me a story. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was definitely something. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| But the thing is, this is the point: if we're going to a future where literally everyone's going to know everything about everyone, then nothing's really going to matter about any person. | ||
| I mean, there's gonna be like, well, yeah, everyone does this, you know, you know, you know, exactly who does this, so it's not gonna be shameful, nothing will be shameful, nothing will be shocking. | ||
| Everyone will just know everyone about everything about everyone all the time. | ||
| Yeah, that's the real worry, right? | ||
| And then we're gonna become okay here. | ||
| I got it right here. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Okay, the fake news. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| I'll tell you, I found it so easy, Jamie. | ||
| So sad at your skills. | ||
| It says, fake news of fatal car crash wiped out $4 billion in, here's the company, Ethereum. | ||
| E-T-H-E-R. | ||
| No? | ||
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That's Bitcoin. | |
| That's like a cryptocurrency. | ||
| Oh, that's why you didn't find it. | ||
| I didn't know what that was. | ||
| That's a new one? | ||
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| Oh, God. | ||
| Okay, so fake news of Fatal. | ||
| It's on Quartz. | ||
| QZ.com. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wiped out the $4 billion in their market value yesterday. | ||
| How the fuck do they have $4 billion in market value of a crypto coin that I've never even heard of? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| I don't know how cryptocurrency works, to be honest. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Jesus Christ, I mean, if there's $4 billion in value to it, that's as legitimate as a company. | ||
| Let's have some legitimacy. | ||
| Point being that a fake news story wiped out the value of it. | ||
| But maybe now's the time to buy. | ||
| Well, yeah, if it's got no value, and it's probably going to go back up. | ||
| Because this wasn't a real thing about it. | ||
| Get on the ground floor. | ||
| Dive in. | ||
| Take a chance, son. | ||
| Yeah, make it. | ||
| Well, that is. | ||
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There's a fake story about the guy that created it died in a car crash. | |
| Oh. | ||
| So everybody panicked. | ||
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Yeah, and then everyone panicked because the creator, the guy that's controlling the money and the market of it supposedly died. | |
| Oh. | ||
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That didn't happen. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But still, fake news. | ||
| By the way, your stock's gone down $4 billion. | ||
| Fucking what? | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| You can usually imagine. | ||
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That's the other weird part. | |
| It's not stock. | ||
| It's a value of market of the channel. | ||
| That's another one of my favorite stories of the last year. | ||
| The Thanos story, that woman who was pretending to be the new female Steve Jobs, and she had the look, so everybody went with it. | ||
| And she had this blood testing procedure that totally didn't work. | ||
| It's a great story. | ||
| Yeah, go and tell you. | ||
| She was touted as being the next genius. | ||
| She dressed exactly like Steve Jobs. | ||
| She wore black turtlenecks and was really hilarious. | ||
| And she gave the speech to like women in something or another. | ||
| But the speech was so jumbled and shitty. | ||
| And there's so much poverty of words in her sentences. | ||
| It's like the content was just so bad. | ||
| I was like, this is a genius. | ||
| Like, maybe she's super awkward and nervous. | ||
| And maybe she just didn't prepare this speech at all. | ||
| But no. | ||
| Turns out she was a massive fraud. | ||
| The whole thing's a massive fraud. | ||
| And her $34 billion company vanished. | ||
| So the company had a product that they were using where they were doing these blood tests. | ||
| And a whistleblower from inside the company said, this person, they're ignoring all the bad data. | ||
| They're ignoring all the failed tests. | ||
| They're pretending it's much more efficient than it is. | ||
| So it just didn't work, right? | ||
| Dude, not only did it not work, hundreds of thousands of people who took these tests were exposed to potential health threats because they thought, well, this is I know where my blood is now. | ||
| So you could have gone more cautious or less cautious based on this or got treatment that you didn't need based on this or didn't get treatment that you probably did need based on this. | ||
| Can you imagine the kind of person who does that, though? | ||
| She's standing there bullshitting and lives at risk. | ||
| Sociopath in some sort of a way, or unless she was lied to, too. | ||
| I mean, who knows exactly what the actual story is. | ||
| But the whistleblower saying, no, she's absolutely aware of it. | ||
| And so now she went from being like the number one self-made female entrepreneur ever, where she was worth like $34 billion or something crazy, to massive debt. | ||
| Now her company is worth nothing. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| So she fired a shitload of people, and the company still exists as an entity, but it's like one of those really tortured things. | ||
| There's lawsuits are flying around left and right now. | ||
| But the whole story is a cautionary tale in what we're looking for. | ||
| We're looking for this thing, this new image. | ||
| You know, here's this woman. | ||
| She's fitting the part. | ||
| She's got a black turtleneck on. | ||
| Econ artist came along and played you. | ||
| Dropped out of college at 19 to start this business. | ||
| I mean, she doesn't even have a background in medical science. | ||
| She doesn't have a degree. | ||
| It's not like she's a PhD in some sort of bioengineering or blood testing or whatever the fuck it would be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a crazy story. | ||
| Because she was saying, hey, exactly. | ||
| She dressed the part, looked at the part, said the right words. | ||
| Confidence trickster comes along and says, hey, you're interested in a woman doing this? | ||
| I'm a woman. | ||
| I'm doing this. | ||
| But I remember before she got exposed, watching that video of her talking, going, this does not seem like a bunch of people. | ||
| Yeah, if she's just like rambling along and kind of disjointed or something. | ||
| It's just clunky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, pull up, see if you could find Elizabeth. | ||
| Is that her name? | ||
| Stanos? | ||
| What the fuck was her name? | ||
| I forget what her name is. | ||
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| What was her name? | ||
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I'm looking at pictures of her. | |
| It doesn't say her name anywhere, though. | ||
| But no, I did hear about it, but I'll have to check it out some other time. | ||
| Yeah, but it's... | ||
| What's that? | ||
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| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So it's not discrediting women. | ||
| This is not discrediting the idea of a genius woman. | ||
| This is not discrediting the idea of a genius entrepreneurial woman. | ||
| What this is fascinating to me is a person who fits all of these categories that people are clearly looking for, right? | ||
| And they just bought into it. | ||
| This is what they wanted. | ||
| Identity politics. | ||
| Confirmation bias. | ||
| And we love the fact that it's a strong woman who's doing this. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I'm with her. | ||
| Hashtag. | ||
| They went with Marine Le Pen, though, weren't they? | ||
| Who's that? | ||
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| The French woman. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's the thing, isn't it? | ||
| Oh, well, you know, I mean, I know she's the woman, but I'm thirdly for Alexander Macron. | ||
| Yeah, but you're I'm with her, aren't you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, you're not. | ||
| I'm with her when she thinks wrong. | ||
| So it's not that she's a woman, it's the way she fucking thinks. | ||
| Why can't we just be honest about this? | ||
| You know? | ||
| That Merkel lady's a trip, too. | ||
| Oh, Merkel's cancer. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| She's a trip. | ||
| When I know about her, if I know who's running Germany, the Germans just can't help themselves. | ||
| What are they doing over there? | ||
| With what? | ||
| With her. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Merkel's. | ||
| I speak to, again, my friend Kraut, who tells me about these things. | ||
| she's famous for her, and I don't want to say flip-flopping, but I would actually be a lot more charitable and say her navigation of the political winds. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| She's like Hillary in that way, I guess, Another one. | ||
| I think there's some thertical opportunists. | ||
| Sailors? | ||
| Really, really, it's being a smart politician, isn't it? | ||
| It's saying, well, okay, where are people going? | ||
| I don't think that's smart anymore. | ||
| Well, no, I think it means you lack credibility. | ||
| It makes you look like you don't stand for anything. | ||
| Well, look, as much as Trump lies, and he lied 600-plus times in the 100-plus times that he was in office, they did a count of all the times he said things that weren't true publicly, right? | ||
| As much as he does that, everybody knows that's what he does. | ||
| Like, they know who he is. | ||
| They know what he does. | ||
| They know he tweets all the time. | ||
| So even if he tweets something ridiculous, they know who that is. | ||
| That's that guy. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| That's what he really thinks. | ||
| That's why he's saying it. | ||
| You never got that with Hillary Clinton. | ||
| What you got is these weird, boiled-down messages. | ||
| It seemed like they were put together in some sort of a writer's room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was. | ||
| I mean, she doesn't control her Twitter account. | ||
| No. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| But Trump undoubtedly is in control of his own Twitter. | ||
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| And it's so hilarious. | ||
| I thought it was hilarious when she wrote to him, delete your account. | ||
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| So that is legit banter. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| You got to give it up to her there. | ||
| But I don't know who wrote that. | ||
| It was probably some 20-year-old kid somewhere. | ||
| She probably wrote it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some girls working for it. | ||
| Good job, guys. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah, she wrote it. | ||
| The social media manager of Wendy's tweeted out Pepe of the Wendy's icon as a Pepe. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, shitstorm. | ||
| Absolute shitstorm. | ||
| They were forced to delete it, and who knows whether that person still has a job. | ||
| But people think that Pepe is alt-right, and you're saying Pepe's not alt-right. | ||
| The alt-right use Pepe, but everyone uses Pepe. | ||
| Pepe's a ubiquitous internet symbol of sort of dissidence and chaos. | ||
| More importantly, disrespect. | ||
| But isn't Kek like the god of chaos? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Isn't that a little made-up? | ||
| That's a little made-up myth. | ||
| Made up. | ||
| What? | ||
| Everything's made up. | ||
| What if you die and you meet Kek? | ||
| Would you be feeling bad because you said he was made up? | ||
| I'll be quite surprised. | ||
| I'll be like, look, hey, you're going to have to work with me here because let's be honest, would you have believed it? | ||
| No. | ||
| But I would be so shocked if he had a gold robe. | ||
| It was a frog. | ||
| Yeah, and he got to heaven. | ||
| And it literally looks like Pepe. | ||
| And he's got a gold robe on. | ||
| Can I piss off literally everyone who believes in a religion? | ||
| Why would you want to? | ||
| Because what about hope? | ||
| Doesn't it just strike you as the most childish fucking thing, though? | ||
| Depends on the mind. | ||
| When I die, I'm going to go somewhere else, you know. | ||
| Not Scientology. | ||
| That's starting to make sense to me. | ||
| I can tell, actually. | ||
| But I said, I've been watching it. | ||
| But no, seriously, it's obviously wishful thinking. | ||
| And it's obviously because you're afraid of dying. | ||
| And it's obviously that you just want to believe it. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| You fucking might just want that gold medal. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| I want that Scientology gold medal that they gave Tom Cruise. | ||
| The big one, like a laptop. | ||
| He looks like Flavor Flavor up there with that fucking gold medal on. | ||
| But isn't it so arrogant to think that humans are so important that they're going to go to an afterlife? | ||
| It might be right. | ||
| You know, the afterlife isn't that arrogant to me because it's the idea is that you're trying to pass on life, right? | ||
| And the mind understands that this is sort of a futile effort. | ||
| You're temporary. | ||
| You have a finite life. | ||
| You know, like, what are you doing? | ||
| Why even bother? | ||
| Why not just end this now? | ||
| You're constantly suffering. | ||
| Just jump off a building. | ||
| So, no, no, no, we can't do that because there's a greater good waiting for us. | ||
| There's a greater thing. | ||
| There's another level of the video game. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| If you're going to go to heaven when you die, kill yourself. | ||
| Right, that's because you can't. | ||
| That's a loophole. | ||
| So you can't kill yourself when you go to heaven. | ||
| Because when you kill yourself, you make the people around you that loved you suffer. | ||
| So you don't go to heaven when you kill yourself. | ||
| That's convenient. | ||
| Or it's God's faith. | ||
| What if they kill you? | ||
| What if you're part of a cult ritual? | ||
| Like, you know, we're all just going to drink the Kool-Aid, the poison Kool-Aid, and kill ourselves. | ||
| Well, they answered that with Jesus. | ||
| Jesus on the cross. | ||
| That's why we still do this. | ||
| We literally make the cross sign, the thing that killed him. | ||
| Bill Hecks had a great joke about that. | ||
| He goes, it's like going up to Jackie on the asses with a rifle pendant on. | ||
| He goes, just thinking of John, Jackie. | ||
| Imagine if you're like a pagan or something, back in like the 7th century or whatever, and you're Northern European Lithuanian or something. | ||
| And then these Germans come along and go, hey, we've got this religion about a dead guy. | ||
| We think you should join it. | ||
| And you'd be like, why? | ||
| Well, it's really sad. | ||
| It's a really sad story, but he died for your sins. | ||
| But yeah, everywhere you go, there's this guy just being killed on a cross. | ||
| You'd be like, you know, my religion is way more fun than that. | ||
| Yeah, you have the original sin, too. | ||
| That's the great thing that you brought up earlier about being white. | ||
| I mean, it's sort of like just being a human, the original sin. | ||
| The only way they can have complete, total control over you is to say that you are guilty no matter what. | ||
| Just by virtue of being born. | ||
| Believing you're guilty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then it works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It starts from that. | ||
| That this all-knowing, infinite thing that looks over the universe is incredibly petty, very jealous. | ||
| Yeah, if you worship anything else, any other false idols, death. | ||
| You wear two different types of clothes, death. | ||
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| You know, it's really interesting because there have been religions in the past that thought that that was an evil god that created the earth. | ||
| And everything in the earth is created by an evil god. | ||
| And there is a loving god beyond it, but you can't pray to it. | ||
| It has no interaction. | ||
| You've got to get past earth. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| You have to live a good life and eventually you'll get over there. | ||
| Well, maybe it's true. | ||
| Maybe it's like this is a level of the video game, right? | ||
| Maybe you get past this. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| No, I do. | ||
| None of it's true. | ||
| You get through and that's awesome. | ||
| I'll put money on it. | ||
| Well, money's not worth anything in the afterlife, sir. | ||
| Okay, okay, well, whatever you want on it right and in the afterlife that's like saying if it's true in the afterlife i'll blow you in the afterlife but you're you're like an ethereal being you're like some fake i know man you don't know about you dude, I do know. | ||
| This is what pisses me off. | ||
| I've had a near-the-death experience, man. | ||
| I've been there, man. | ||
| It's obviously such wishful thinking. | ||
| Well, anybody that says they know, as soon as someone says, I know what happens, even if you say, I know that you die and there's nothing. | ||
| Well, you definitely don't. | ||
| you definitely don't know definitely don't know but if i'm going to put money on it i mean like But I mean, like, now, you know. | ||
| Yeah, but tomorrow. | ||
| No, no, it's not for me. | ||
| I mean, tomorrow they might be able to prove it. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| Tomorrow, you know, if you go to a betting agency, it's like, well, actually, scientists have discovered that God is real, and it turns out that there are 72 virgins waiting in heaven. | ||
| So maybe you should convert to Islam now. | ||
| You'd be like, oh, shit, okay. | ||
| Allahu Akbar. | ||
| Did you ever see that priest that got in trouble because he took photos of him in heaven? | ||
| And he was selling photos of him in heaven? | ||
| It is wonderful. | ||
| It's him, like, waving, and he's in, like, this pure white background. | ||
| And he said... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| It's on my Instagram account from a while back. | ||
| Such a bunch of people. | ||
| You can find it, Jamie. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| I mean, it's adorable because he's so fucking stupid. | ||
| Like, the thing is so fucking stupid that it makes you just go, it's like that. | ||
| I just found out about this, too, the other day. | ||
| Jeron Horton told me about the 18-year-old kid that was running a medical practice and he did not have any medical. | ||
| He was a chiropractor. | ||
| He was a chiropractor, basically. | ||
| But they busted him and he sat down and gave interviews and said that he's being persecuted and said all the true facts will come to light. | ||
| But the way it's edited is so funny. | ||
| I mean, it's really, really funny. | ||
| I mean, this guy's a loon, this kid. | ||
| Well, he sounds like, yeah. | ||
| Did you find the photo of the guy in heaven? | ||
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| Wow. | ||
| It's not a great version of an alt text. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| He's got his hand up. | ||
| There's a full version of it where you can see more of him. | ||
| Yeah, it's like that. | ||
| But it's all just, it's not that. | ||
| It's white. | ||
| Is that a fake one? | ||
| Oh, it's WhatsApp. | ||
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| Yeah, he was charging people for the photo of him in heaven. | ||
| And he was, I guess he was going to sign it. | ||
| Imagine what kind of moron you'd have to be. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at the quote. | ||
| I just want to bless everyone with the experience I had talking with Jesus. | ||
| He's a great guy and showed me a lot of love. | ||
| I can't wait to get back up there with him. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You met the king of kings. | ||
| You met the son of God. | ||
| You met a man who's come back to life. | ||
| That's the guy that's right. | ||
| And this is what he says. | ||
| He says, he's a great guy. | ||
| He showed me a lot of love. | ||
| Oh, well, for sure. | ||
| It sounds like he had a real transcendent experience with Jesus. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He had pictures on his galaxy smartphone. | ||
| He brought his fucking Samsung up into heaven. | ||
| The worst part about this is, that's basically what the Bible stories are based on a lot of the time. | ||
| It's like someone was, you know, like Enoch was taken up into the crystal ship of God or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just horseshit. | ||
| It's just horseshit made up by idiots thousands of years ago because they don't know what's going on. | ||
| They can't explain what's going on, but they are kind of scared of getting killed. | ||
| And that's because it might really happen really fucking soon. | ||
| Let's get rid of that. | ||
| And they're talking about an oral tradition. | ||
| Like it was talked for thousands of years. | ||
| And by the time someone wrote it down, wasn't the original Bible like a thousand years old by the time anybody wrote it down? | ||
| Well, undoubtedly, there was, I mean, we don't know how old because it was an oral tradition. | ||
| They don't even know, right? | ||
| They didn't come from anywhere. | ||
| Well, also when you hear like the similarities between the Sumerian text stories, like the epic of Gilgamesh is really similar to Noah's Ark. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Nepishtim, who survived the flood and whatnot. | ||
| And in fact, it's like really so similar. | ||
| It's almost the same words, just replacing God with gods. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, they obviously replace gods with God. | ||
| And the thing is, we can even pinpoint the sort of time that it's likely to have been adopted into the religion. | ||
| During the Babylonian exile, when the Assyrians conquered the nation of Israel and left Judah, they undoubtedly, they took them back to, well the Assyrians, the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, took them back to Babylon. | ||
| And then there the smart Jews were, the elites, the educated people. | ||
| And unsurprisingly, suddenly their mythos includes loads of Mesopotamium ideas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whoa, where did that come from, genius? | ||
| Oh, and then they go back and all of a sudden, oh, okay, it's incorporated. | ||
| Okay, yeah, it's this is all horseshit. | ||
| It's all horseshit. | ||
| And there's no benefit into really trying to include the older stuff that they find either and try to like figure out whether or not these are connected. | ||
| No, it's stupid. | ||
| It's just like, I mean, it's just like, look, there are so many gods. | ||
| Why that one? | ||
| Why that one? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| Probably because you grew up with it, right? | ||
| You weren't reasoned into that ability. | ||
| You weren't reasoned out in position. | ||
| You didn't sit there and think, you know what? | ||
| I've had a think, and I think it's Marduk. | ||
| That's the god. | ||
| I was thinking about it. | ||
| I was thinking Tiamat. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| Well, Tiamat, you couldn't really have, because that's like a primordial god. | ||
| But that's what I like. | ||
| I like the old ones. | ||
| Yeah, but they don't. | ||
| You know, you couldn't pray to Tiamat. | ||
| It's like Krom. | ||
| No, pray to Krom. | ||
| He doesn't listen. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| I mean, I like Asher, to be honest, you know, Oishtar. | ||
| But, you know, it's just like, it's nonsense. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| Well, it's all a myth, and it's fascinating. | ||
| And what's interesting to me is the historical idea that these people were living by these stories like thousands of years ago. | ||
| And like what, like, you try to put it in context, imagine what it would be like living thousands of years ago with no science, with no education, limited understanding of the world around you. | ||
| And then there you are abiding by these ancient stories. | ||
| And it's a fascinating thing. | ||
| Like the Dead Sea Scrolls, that's really fascinating stuff. | ||
| They've been deciphering that forever, but they don't incorporate it into the Christian doctrine. | ||
| You know, it's not a problem. | ||
| It's already codified. | ||
| We can't revisit that. | ||
| Yeah, what do they do about that? | ||
| Because if they know that that's ancient religious text and it's as old as anything that they found, right? | ||
| It's the oldest version of the world. | ||
| Yeah, first century or something. | ||
| It's old as fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these, you know, they don't use it. | ||
| What are they going to do? | ||
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| But that's because they'd have to change their beliefs and they weren't reasoned into these beliefs. | ||
| So they're going to be like, no, I don't want to. | ||
| They just ignore it. | ||
| They've got a narrative. | ||
| They just ignore it. | ||
| I wonder what the official position of the Catholic Church is about the Dead Sea Scrolls. | ||
| I don't give a shit what the Catholic Church says. | ||
| I'm fascinating by that. | ||
| Well, yeah, but one thing that bothers me about it is, I can't remember what I was going to say. | ||
| Just before you brought the Catholic Church, you blew a fuse when I brought it. | ||
| Yeah, just super bummed out about them. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| The Catholic Church is horseshit. | ||
| Oh, it certainly is. | ||
| This is my problem then. | ||
| It's like, I mean, if someone wants to believe in stuff, that's fine. | ||
| This is why secularism is important, you know. | ||
| It's like, but it's like identitarian politics. | ||
| You know, it's just itinerary and say, yeah, but let me tell you about my ex, you know, but you're just talking about yourself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you're not talking about a problem that's external to you. | ||
| You're saying, I have a problem. | ||
| I believe something. | ||
| You know, I believe in God. | ||
| I believe that black people are this. | ||
| I believe that white people are this. | ||
| I mean, yeah, but I don't really care. | ||
| You know, tell me about the things that are external to you that actually are affecting things in you rather than things that are in you that are coming out. | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| You've got this the wrong way around. | ||
| I just find it fascinating that there's like a certain level of like when you go back in time, there's a certain level of history where you just ignore those ideas. | ||
| Like when you get past 4,000 years old, like the epic of Gilgamesh, there's no one who's trying to live by the Sumerian text. | ||
| There's no one who's treating that as a religion, right? | ||
| The ancient Mesopotamian stories are basically thought of as purely myths. | ||
| Just like Odin and Thor and Zeus. | ||
| That's all abandoned. | ||
| But at one point in time, that was the ideology to live by. | ||
| I like the way the gods never really get resurrected. | ||
| And I don't really believe the neo-pagans and stuff. | ||
| They say, oh, I actually believe in this. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You just think it's cool. | ||
| They think it's cool. | ||
| They don't really believe in it. | ||
| I'm a Wiccan. | ||
| And that Wiccan is not old either. | ||
| That was the 19th century or something like that. | ||
| That was invented. | ||
| Oh, that's even dumber. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Isn't it right? | ||
| It's like the oldest version of the Mormons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I love the Mormons. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Joseph Smith, is it? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Dies in a gunfight or something like that in a prison. | ||
| It's like, that's my kind of prophet. | ||
| He taken it out when he was 14, too. | ||
| There's golden plates that no one got to sauce. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| I mean, who do you know that's 14 that isn't full of shit? | ||
| Have you ever met a 14-year-old that tells you the truth? | ||
| They're not necessarily lying all the time, but they've done it. | ||
| He knew things. | ||
| This boy has wisdom. | ||
| Where did you learn this wisdom? | ||
| A golden tablet. | ||
| Come with me. | ||
| I'll show you where it is. | ||
| The angels knew we were coming and they took it away. | ||
| Well, I'm persuaded. | ||
| Do you have your magic seer stone? | ||
| Oh, no, they took that as well. | ||
| God, it's so close. | ||
| So close. | ||
| Yeah, but they did tell me before they left that I could have nine wives. | ||
| So I think when these bitches want to get one. | ||
| Do you know one of my favorite things about the Quran and the Hadiths is that Muhammad basically used to pull these fucking dictates from God out of his ass. | ||
| And at one point, his child bride turned around to him and said, you know, paraphrasing, but you know, these are coming at surprisingly convenient times for you, Muhammad. | ||
| It's like, oh. | ||
| He got called out by your child bride, Muhammad, because it's obvious you were pulling this shit out of your ass for your own convenience. | ||
| It's just like, and there are some really gross things about Muhammad as well. | ||
| I better not go into it because someone will probably kill me. | ||
| Isn't that amazing that you really would have to worry about that? | ||
| Yeah, legit, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, people who have mocked since we've lost, I think it's worth talking about Wahhabism. | ||
| I've been learning about that a lot recently. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's crazy, and Muslims hate it. | ||
| It's like the SJWs of the Muslim world. | ||
| Imagine if the country was taken over by rabid SJWs who had access to weaponry. | ||
| That'd be scary, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine if they had in every city like SJW police who went around saying, right, blacks over there, whites over there, men over here, women over here. | ||
| And if you were even caught in, you know, fraternizing with the opposite race or sex, that's it. | ||
| You're going to get the lash. | ||
| Maybe you get your hand chopped off. | ||
| Maybe, you know, whatever punishment intersectional social justice would meet out if given the option. | ||
| That's basically what it's like in Saudi Arabia and under ISIS. | ||
| So it really is, in a lot of ways, a lot of things that we've been talking about today, they're very similar. | ||
| And these are deep grooves that are carved in the human psyche. | ||
| Imagine the kind of person who wants to be the person who enforces that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Piece of shit. | ||
| That's why the social justice war is a piece of shit. | ||
| Control freaks. | ||
| Yeah, control freaks. | ||
| Moral busybodies who've got no real morals at all. | ||
| And people who lack a certain amount of objectivity, which is why that certain lady you kept talking about earlier feels like she can say those terrible things about you. | ||
| But she can't think of herself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And ironically, everything they're saying is projection. | ||
| I mean, who's doing the abusing? | ||
| Who's doing all of this? | ||
| It's not me. | ||
| None of this is really true. | ||
| But yeah, the Islamic world, the Wahhabis, it was really interesting. | ||
| I read Force and Fanaticism by Simon Ross Valentine, an English professor who went and lived down in Saudi Arabia for three years to learn about their ideology. | ||
| Really, really, really fascinating. | ||
| One of the most fascinating things is how much other Muslims don't like the Wahhabis. | ||
| And I'm using the term Wahhabi, but what it's a school of Islamic thought called Salafism, and it can best be described as autistic screeching. | ||
| It's like taking a really hardline interpretation, ignoring other arguments against this hardline interpretation, and going, you know what, just no, not even listening. | ||
| And then just carrying on and seeing where that train of logic gets to you. | ||
| And suddenly it gets to religious police, suddenly it gets to throwing gays off buildings and stuff that regular Muslims don't need to do because Muhammad, you know, they'll be like, well, not pro-gay. | ||
| I mean, and this is another thing I'll get into. | ||
| But Muhammad says, don't kill people. | ||
| You know, at one point, at some point in the Quran, he says, and so they kind of say, right, okay, well, I'm not going to kill someone. | ||
| You know, I mean, okay, maybe the gay thing was wrong because a lot of Muslims are actually pro-death sentence for homosexuality. | ||
| But, you know, they'll have, I mean, everything's reasoned. | ||
| Everything is argumentation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the important thing is to understand that they are persuaded into becoming jihadis. | ||
| And it's not, and this is one thing the West has to understand. | ||
| It is not that we are at war with them, right? | ||
| You can go to ISIS's, like, they produce magazines. | ||
| There was one called Dabik, which was a city they owned, but they lost it. | ||
| So they created a new one called Ramaya, which is Rome. | ||
| Arabic for Rome. | ||
| they have conquered before, not ISIS, but Islam, and want to conquer again. | ||
| And in them, they literally say, I can't remember, I think it was like issue 14 of Dabik or something. | ||
| They literally turn around and say, We do not fight you because you bomb the Middle East. | ||
| We fight you because you are not Muslims. | ||
| And no, it's not because you bomb the Middle East. | ||
| Even if you stop bombing the Middle East, we will fight you until we become Muslims. | ||
| This is why we do it. | ||
| Don't get me wrong, you bombing the Middle East isn't making us like you anymore. | ||
| You know, we're going to keep doing it. | ||
| We fight you because you insult Muhammad. | ||
| We fight you because you don't believe in Allah and this Prophet in the last day. | ||
| This is why we fight you. | ||
| Do not misunderstand. | ||
| And they literally address the liberal or the progressives or, you know, whatever you'd like to call them. | ||
| They're literally talking to these people saying, don't think that we're crazy and we don't know. | ||
| We just, this is what we believe. | ||
| You are cancer and we want to exterminate you, basically. | ||
| And you get the SJW saying, well, I mean, it's kind of bombing. | ||
| I mean, it's American foreign policy. | ||
| No, it's nothing to do with that. | ||
| It's all about their argumentation. | ||
| Even if we were just peaceful, peace-loving people who did nothing, they would still be like, well, Allah has told me to cut your head off. | ||
| I mean, but again, this is a small minority who are widely despised by other Muslims. | ||
| I mean, like, for example, if you went to a Christian school and everyone would probably fairly chill, you know, you still go to like, you know, a Catholic school or something. | ||
| And most people you talk to, they'd be fairly chill. | ||
| But in every group of people, you'd have a couple of people who'd be the sort of people watching you. | ||
| And if you started doing something, they'd go and get the nuns. | ||
| You know, they'd go, whack, you know, how dare you? | ||
| You know, they are those people. | ||
| It's just for Islam, they end up going and killing things. | ||
| Because in Islam, you're told, right, if you die, and this is another thing that drives me crazy, they're like, oh, the 9-11 hijackers were drinking and carousing and doing drugs. | ||
| They're obviously not real Muslims. | ||
| No, you fucking idiots. | ||
| They think they're having all of their sins expunged the second they die in the service of Allah. | ||
| This is what martyrdom is. | ||
| No matter what you've done, you go to heaven and get your virgins. | ||
| So why wouldn't you do whatever the fuck you like? | ||
| They have a free pass because they know they're going to die. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that's what they do. | ||
| And when they're like, oh, ISIS aren't really Islamic, because look at, they're doing all these un-Islamic things. | ||
| No, they know they're going to die. | ||
| And, well, you know, in the logic of the theology that they live under, they think they're going to die and that they're going to get it all rescinded, remission of sins. | ||
| Isn't that the most fascinating part of it? | ||
| It's just the things that people are willing to believe. | ||
| Yeah, but they've been reasoned into it by, if you take, like, say, right, I believe that the Quran is the word of God, and I believe that Hadiths and the Sunnah are the actual sayings and doings of Muhammad, and you believe these things are true, then you're building from a certain base, and you need to, and basically it's how you construct arguments. | ||
| And if you start leaving out parts of what otherwise is like a regular Muslim sort of theological argument, then you end up building like a weird tower over here that starts going off, you know, and the arguments start constructing themselves off to the left rather than staying reasonably central. | ||
| I mean, like, most Muslims are never going to become terrorists because they don't autistically believe that a bunch of things just aren't true just because they don't want them to be true. | ||
| You know, they're not cherry-picking from the Quran as much as the, well, you know, to the extent that the Wahhabists or Salafists are. | ||
| And they all believe, do you want to know what they hate? | ||
| Do you know what their watchword is? | ||
| It's the dumbest thing in the world. | ||
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What? | |
| There will be no more innovations. | ||
| What? | ||
| No more innovations. | ||
| Muhammad was the perfect man. | ||
| We must live like Muhammad. | ||
| Therefore, I mean, you would not believe how dumb this is. | ||
| This is really part of their doctrine. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's called Bida. | ||
| Bida. | ||
| Do you spell that? | ||
| B-I-D-A. | ||
| I think it might have an H on it. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But I don't speak Arabic. | ||
| And the idea is that there are no not have any innovation. | ||
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No. | |
| But what about the innovation that they already use, like Toyota trucks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, for example, the King of Saud had a hell of a time. | ||
| Right, okay, so Saudi Arabia was founded by the Ibn Saud family in conjunction with Abdul Wahhab. | ||
| He was a known, in like the late 18th century, he was a known theologian, and he was a brilliant man, but he was, I can't think of a better way of putting it than autistic, because he was really focused, hyper-focused on a single sort of strand of thought. | ||
| And everything that he thought was either black or white. | ||
| There was no gray in between, right? | ||
| And I mean, I literally mean he may well have had autism. | ||
| I'm not just using it as an insult. | ||
| He may well have literally had autism. | ||
| It's either this or nothing at all, you know? | ||
| And so he ends up building this theology. | ||
| And it's not bad. | ||
| Well, no, no, that's not wrong with some. | ||
| That's not that's not bad. | ||
| It's not that it's not, like, it's not that there isn't an argument there. | ||
| There obviously must be an argument there, otherwise people wouldn't believe it, right? | ||
| Wait, wait, you're getting me really confused. | ||
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Okay. | |
| What might be an argument, otherwise people wouldn't believe it. | ||
| What he's saying, his interpretation of the Quran and Islam and all of this, he's got a particular interpretation. | ||
| And he says to someone, hey, you should follow my interpretation of Islam because I've actually got the right interpretation of Islam. | ||
| And most people were like, no, you don't. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You're ignoring almost everything. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| What does that have to do with innovation? | ||
| Right, well, that's the thing. | ||
| Like, bida is, you know, harmful innovations. | ||
| And don't be wrong, harmful innovations are bad by definition, but they're also good innovations. | ||
| So, you know, the telephone, you know, the cars, all this sort of stuff. | ||
| These are considered good innovations, and so other Muslims are free to use them. | ||
| The Wahhabis, I imagine now at this point, they've been persuaded that they are okay. | ||
| But when, like, for example, Ibn Saud first tried to explain to them, look, we need guns, and, you know, we need a maxim gun. | ||
| We need planes. | ||
| We need bombs and bullets and cars. | ||
| All of these now televisions and satellite dishes and all this sort of thing. | ||
| They were actively resistant to this because, oh, Muhammad didn't have this. | ||
| And he had these things called Aikhwan warriors. | ||
| I'm probably pronouncing that horribly. | ||
| So apologies, anyone who knows how to pronounce these words because I've only ever seen them written down. | ||
| But these guys were like ISIS. | ||
| I mean, the way Saudi Arabia was formed is exactly the same way as ISIS is being, the Islamic State is being formed now. | ||
| Exactly the same. | ||
| These guys were the most brutal men you've ever seen. | ||
| And they would just go in and murder entire villages, right? | ||
| He had 150,000 of these people, You know, like that he used to conquer what is now Saudi Arabia. | ||
| And eventually, he was like, I want a car. | ||
| I think a plane is a good idea. | ||
| And they were like, no, no. | ||
| And so they revolted against him. | ||
| And the British, seeing him as a useful client, decided to help him out with a few maxim guns and a few, like, you know, biplanes or something. | ||
| So they revolted against him because he wanted a car? | ||
| Yeah, because he's un-Islamic. | ||
| Muhammad never had a car. | ||
| Right? | ||
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And the British killed them all. | |
| Which was probably, honestly, it was probably a good thing for the world. | ||
| Don't get me wrong, because these guys were nuts. | ||
| They would regularly just, I mean, and this is the thing. | ||
| It's another thing they've got is the tach feary doctrine. | ||
| You're not a real Muslim. | ||
| That's an interesting thing, isn't it? | ||
| And it's interesting how we do that to them. | ||
| We tack fear them. | ||
| You're not a real Muslim either. | ||
| We're not in a position to tell anyone who's a real Muslim or not. | ||
| You know, if they consider themselves Muslim, they're Muslim. | ||
| And I mean, like, literally, they are the most Muslim in their opinion. | ||
| In their opinion, nobody else is a real Muslim. | ||
| And therefore, it's okay to kill them. | ||
| You only have to give a shit about actual Muslims under this doctrine. | ||
| Again, this is not what most Muslims think. | ||
| This is the antithesis of what most Muslims actually think. | ||
| And so these guys used to go in a huge rating of the music. | ||
| Is it funny that you even have to qualify that? | ||
| Like, you have to stop and say, I know. | ||
| You know, the other nutty shit is not as nutty as this nutty shit. | ||
| Yeah, and just while we're on the subject, right? | ||
| Islam is totally illiberal. | ||
| A Western liberal country should never defend Islam in its most very Islamophobic of you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In its most important thing. | ||
| Are you Islamophobic? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I would hate. | ||
| You would hate to live under Sharia law. | ||
| Well, you might not, well, not you personally, but as a man, you would entirely benefit from living under Sharia law. | ||
| For real? | ||
| How so? | ||
| But girls have to walk around like beekeepers, right? | ||
| Not always. | ||
| That's actually not. | ||
| How do you know what they really look like? | ||
| That's actually not in the Quran. | ||
| It just says be modest, right? | ||
| Oh, modest. | ||
| You could just wear a headscarf or something. | ||
| Well, it's all relative, isn't it? | ||
| If you're like an internet hoe, modest is like cheating shorts. | ||
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| And if you're an autistic ISIS member, that's full-on burka with a grill over your face. | ||
| So what's interesting about this conversation... | ||
| In a legal system? | ||
| In the legal system. | ||
| So do they use that legal system? | ||
| Like, they use the Quran to enforce the laws? | ||
| So if a woman says something like, oh, Sargon raped me, and you'd be like, pitch. | ||
| You need a female witness. | ||
| He has two points. | ||
| You need more than one female witness. | ||
| Yeah, you need another female witness to testify. | ||
| And even then, the worst part about it, but a half a woman. | ||
| It's entirely possible that the judge will punish her for tempting me. | ||
| Yeah, because if she has a half an opinion and then the other chick has a half an opinion, that's still only like one person's human story. | ||
| And then one person's a woman. | ||
| Yeah, this runs through the whole thing. | ||
| I mean, like, women are entitled to half of the inheritance money a man is entitled to. | ||
| Where does the other half go to? | ||
| Any brothers or, you know, anything like that. | ||
| If you're a lone sibling, then yeah, okay. | ||
| A lone child, then yeah, okay, you're fine, obviously. | ||
| But like, if you've got a male sibling, you'll get half of what he gets. | ||
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| Pretty horrible, isn't it? | ||
| But that's pretty ancient. | ||
| Yeah, and this is just like the most mild thing. | ||
| And like the legal system is basically about as useful as Hammurabi's code of laws, where an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. | ||
| I mean, that was outdated 2,000 years ago in the West. | ||
| You know, with the advent of Jesus, but not in Islam. | ||
| It's really brutal stuff. | ||
| And it's just like, okay, well, I mean, any progressive whoever advocates for anything positive about Islam is an idiot and doesn't understand Islam. | ||
| They've got, I mean, I've seen them going, Islam is the most feminist religion. | ||
| Yeah, if you want to be made a second-class citizen, it is absolutely. | ||
| If that's what you want feminism to be, the installation of a systemic oppression against women, sure, that can be feminism if you like. | ||
| And that really is revealing about feminism, isn't it? | ||
| What is going on lately with this weird sort of acceptance of, how do you say, hijab? | ||
| How do you say the hipgear? | ||
| Hijab. | ||
| I do know what offends me more than anything, right? | ||
| But what's going on with that? | ||
| There's this weird thing where women are like being empowered. | ||
| They're pretending. | ||
| But they're pretending they're empowered by this and that this is their own choice and that this is a feminist value. | ||
| Unbelievably stupid. | ||
| But it's very common. | ||
| Have you seen it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm seeing a lot. | ||
| And one thing that I've never really thought of myself as the sort of person who gets offended, but when I see an American flag hijab, I find that offensive. | ||
| Come on, they have those? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I literally look at it and go, no, this is the antithesis of what these values meant to represent. | ||
| That seems like something a biker would wear. | ||
| It sounds like a parody face. | ||
| Sounds like a parody. | ||
| But maybe that's really what it is. | ||
| Maybe like one of them Duck Dynasty face. | ||
| Maybe, maybe, maybe I've been fooled. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Isn't that just the symbol of liberty? | ||
| Cover yourself up. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Cover your fucking hair up, you know. | ||
| So is she wearing that to show that she's very American? | ||
| That when Trump is saying that he wants to shut down mosques. | ||
| Did you see that whole Megan Kelly thing with Alex Jones? | ||
| I saw that he scooped her, but to be fair, I mean, Alex probably did say a lot of crazy shit, and he probably did a lie about a lot of crazy shit, didn't he? | ||
| Well, in the past, he definitely said crazy shit about Sandy Hook. | ||
| But she was saying that she was... | ||
| I've known Alex a long time. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It's just that he's just always looking for conspiracies. | ||
| Like, when you think you know for sure that something's, for sure, that something's a conspiracy, when you don't really know for sure, you're just saying it. | ||
| And then you just run with it. | ||
| When you're talking about children's lives, it's very dangerous. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| You better have some bloody convincing proof. | ||
| And he's abandoned it. | ||
| He's abandoned that. | ||
| Yeah, but he hasn't abandoned it and apologized for saying it. | ||
| He's like, what he's done is like made this sort of like, he's sort of like made some video where he was talking to the parents directly and saying that he couldn't imagine and he feels their pain and I'm terrible for, I feel very sorry for your loss. | ||
| But it doesn't go saying, I'm sorry I supported a hoax that's not true that says you were liars and your children were never killed. | ||
| You know, there was a really crazy story that I read about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist and then his own son was murdered. | ||
| And then he realized, holy shit, in Sandy Hook. | ||
| He realized like, oh my God, this is how insane these conspiracy theories are. | ||
| There's people that are, there's a whole movement right now where they think that polio was a massive hoax and that what polio was, was them injecting people with the polio vaccine because there was no polio and then injecting them with this vaccine, they hurt all these people. | ||
| As someone who has been fooled before, I can tell you the only solution is education. | ||
| You can't just tell these people they're idiots and never talk to them because they'll just think, well, you don't have anything to rebut me with. | ||
| Flat earth. | ||
| Right, yeah, exactly. | ||
| The flat earth. | ||
| You've got to engage with these people. | ||
| I mean, that's weirdly popular these days. | ||
| Weirdly. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck do you think the satellites are for? | ||
| Well, I put that Elon Musk thing up. | ||
| Have you seen that Elon Musk thing I put on Instagram? | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Pull this up. | ||
| Elon Musk posted something about SpaceX. | ||
| They can shoot something into space now and then land it on a pad. | ||
| They've figured out how to do that. | ||
| And so they sped up a sped up version. | ||
| So instead of taking an hour or whatever it takes to get up there and get back. | ||
| But check this out. | ||
| Look how beautiful that looks when they're coming down on the earth. | ||
| But then watch. | ||
| But why doesn't the water fall off, Jay? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But check this out. | ||
| The water, it does. | ||
| So watch how this thing lands. | ||
| This is really kind of crazy. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| From that nuts. | ||
| Fucking hell, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's incredible. | ||
| Dude, Elon Musk for president. | ||
| Well, I don't know about his politics, but I mean, that's Elon Musk to build shit. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's wonderful. | ||
| But look at that fucking video of the Earth. | ||
| So all these dip shits in the comments. | ||
| I knew it when I put it up. | ||
| Fishbowl eye lens. | ||
| I was going to put it up because it's awesome. | ||
| Just, it's awesome. | ||
| I'm going to put it up whether or not dipshits think the earth is flat or not. | ||
| But you clearly see the fucking circle. | ||
| You see the curve of the earth. | ||
| And there's so many people in the comments. | ||
| Like, it's CGI. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| You really believe that, bro? | ||
| You're such a sellout. | ||
| You're such a sellout, bro. | ||
| Why do we have satellites? | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| They don't think they're satellites. | ||
| But you can see them launching in space. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they're flying around in the planes. | ||
| Okay, why can't you see the sun at any time of the day or night? | ||
| Why can't you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the sun goes around behind the flat Earth. | ||
| What? | ||
| No. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Why are you saying it like you're looking for a rational explanation? | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's the thing, isn't it? | ||
| Because let's say, you know, this is the flat Earth. | ||
| The ice wall. | ||
| You got the sun. | ||
| And they say about it like it's like a, I don't know, like a fucking, like a spotlight, right? | ||
| And it is for some reason rotating around. | ||
| But it's like, well, at any point, I should be able to point over and go, oh, look, there's the sun. | ||
| It's just shining downwards, you know. | ||
| You have a poor understanding of flat earth theory, sir. | ||
| I think I probably do. | ||
| I think you're absolutely right. | ||
| But yeah, the only way to get rid of these things is to educate people. | ||
| You can't ridicule them. | ||
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| Because they're not necessarily being irrational. | ||
| They're just dumb. | ||
| But it's like everything else we've talked about, where people have an idea in their head and then they dig their heels in the sand. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Once you've publicly said you think the earth is flat, and once you've said that, you have to sort of stick with your guns. | ||
| Well, this is. | ||
| Because if you come out and say, I'm sorry, I'm so stupid. | ||
| I really did believe these fucking idiots on YouTube instead of believing actual astrophysicists, actual people who are involved in the fields of cartography, airline travel, shipping routes. | ||
| I mean, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| You can go on and on and on about satellites, aerospace engineering, all the different people that probably would have to be in cahoots. | ||
| But let me tell you about the wall of ice. | ||
| The walls of ice. | ||
| There's a photo of it. | ||
| Someone sent it to me. | ||
| You fucking idiot. | ||
| Here's the wall. | ||
| It's like, it's 10 feet high. | ||
| That's a piece of shit. | ||
| I watched a video by some YouTuber about this. | ||
| And some of the people. | ||
| It's not the problem, man. | ||
| Fucking YouTubers. | ||
| It is a part of the problem. | ||
| But he was like, why do we believe in a flat earth? | ||
| And I was like, great. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| That was legitimate. | ||
| Vaccines and chemtrails. | ||
| Actually, it was the hope. | ||
| Bigfoot. | ||
| It gives us, man, we'll talk about Bigfoot. | ||
| It's a hope? | ||
| They get a hope? | ||
| Yeah, it gives them hope. | ||
| Like, hope beyond the ice wall that a better land exists. | ||
| And it's like, why would it be any better than what we've got now? | ||
| Don't you have a photo, you dumb cunts? | ||
| It's not one guy leaked a fucking camera over to that ice wall, you piece of shit. | ||
| Can't we fly a drone over? | ||
| Show me the edge. | ||
| Show me the outside edge. | ||
| Why? | ||
| And it's a conspiracy to keep hidden. | ||
| No. | ||
| Fucking why. | ||
| Here's what it is. | ||
| People love to know things that other people don't know. | ||
| They love when they uncover a truth, when there's a secret that someone is hiding about something as monumental as the shape of the earth. | ||
| People love to be the people in the know. | ||
| They love to be hashtag woke. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And they don't like to read books. | ||
| No, no, no, they don't. | ||
| And I think for some of them, though, like, I mean, this guy who's saying, look, it gives us hope. | ||
| And it's like, that's because you don't have any hope. | ||
| You need something. | ||
| And you're obviously not a religious person. | ||
| And so you take on this as kind of a religious belief. | ||
| No, no, no, you're wrong. | ||
| Listen, a lot of them are religious. | ||
| That's part of the thing. | ||
| Part of the whole thing is that evolution is a lie. | ||
| That's one of the big parts of flat earth theory is that the earth is flat, the firmament. | ||
| Breaking the condition of today. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Listen, there's a big religious part of this whole thing. | ||
| Evolution is a lie. | ||
| It's a huge part of the flat earth movement is a belief in creationism, a belief that space is not real and that above us is heaven. | ||
| That we live in a dome. | ||
| No, there's a lot of different factions to the flat earth movement. | ||
| I'm sure there's some good reasons. | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| But no, this is a big part of this is a deep belief in creationism. | ||
| Oh, so it's an American Christian thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The ones who believe in it also don't believe in dinosaurs. | ||
| They think dinosaurs are fake. | ||
| This is wonderful, right? | ||
| The main guy believes that dinosaurs are fake. | ||
| By the way, oh, he thinks nuclear bombs are a hoax. | ||
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| Yes, nuclear bombs are a hoax. | ||
| Oh, what does it do? | ||
| Just a bomb. | ||
| Just a bomb. | ||
| Not a big deal. | ||
| Just a really big. | ||
| It's a bomb. | ||
| It's a hoax. | ||
| Yeah, but like. | ||
| This is a massive hoax. | ||
| They spell it. | ||
| He believes it's a bomb. | ||
| Just a really big one. | ||
| Dinosaurs are a hoax, too. | ||
| Yeah, I believe they are. | ||
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| Chemtrails are real, though. | ||
| Of course they are. | ||
| The irony is chemtrails probably could be real. | ||
| Geoengineering is a thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so, like, it could actually be right. | ||
| And I could see the rationale from the government's point of view. | ||
| If they're like, well, look, global warming's happening. | ||
| And if we put extra clouds in the sky, then it'll deflect an excessive amount of the sun's rays and cool the earth down. | ||
| Well, it does do that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy to do that. | ||
| That's why they're stupid. | ||
| Well, yeah, it's not... | ||
| They're not trying to... | ||
| They think, well, they're trying to poison people or they don't understand that that's what happens when a jet engine goes through condensation in the air. | ||
| It creates these fake clouds. | ||
| And yes, these fake clouds can cool the earth down a little bit. | ||
| They put them out on purpose. | ||
| Yeah, but they're not putting them out on purpose. | ||
| They're just a side effect of air travel. | ||
| Like they're making these assumptions based on seeing something in the sky and thinking someone's spraying something. | ||
| Yeah, but wasn't there actually like a geoengineering thing that was actually something they're doing or planning to do? | ||
| There is definitely the possibility of one day us having no real protection, no ozone layer. | ||
| There's a possibility. | ||
| And one of the things that scientists have speculated is that suspending some sort of reflective particles in our atmosphere, like satellites, that that would somehow or another protect us from solar radiation. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| So it's something that people have thought of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether they're doing all that. | ||
| Well, for sure someone has thought about doing it if that's the issue. | ||
| If we're missing some sort of an atmosphere, can we create an atmosphere? | ||
| Yes, we can. | ||
| How would we do it? | ||
| We'd spray chemicals in the sky. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that's not what you're seeing when you're seeing those clouds behind jets. | ||
| It's really simple science. | ||
| The heat of the jet engine creates it. | ||
| Combined with the constant, yeah, the condensation in the atmosphere, it creates these artificial clouds. | ||
| They look like clouds because they are clouds. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that makes perfect sense. | ||
| But to the armchair conspiracy theorist that looks up, they're like, they're spraying us, man. | ||
| Death spray in the sky, man. | ||
| Can I come out and defend Alex Jones for a minute? | ||
| I love Alex Jones. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're going to defend him about Sandy Hook? | ||
| No, no, I'm going to defend him about the frogs. | ||
| What about the frogs? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| They are turning the frogs gay. | ||
| Oh, they turned frogs gay. | ||
| You know what's really ironic as well? | ||
| The globalists are turning the frogs gay. | ||
| Well, there is. | ||
| You know, I mean, I'm actually being literally serious when I'm saying that. | ||
| Right, well, there's pollution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, pollution actually does make the frogs gay. | ||
| It's corporate malfeasance. | ||
| And it's only a certain kind of frog and a certain kind of pesticide. | ||
| I actually read through the study. | ||
| He actually played my video on his channel before. | ||
| My video was on my old channel that got taken down by a man. | ||
| Your channel got taken down? | ||
| It was just a little shit posty channel. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| But the shit posty channel, what do you mean? | ||
| Just put bullshit on there. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Bullshit, I found funny. | ||
| And one of the funny thing was looking into this study Alex Jones is citing, so I thought I'd go and get the study, actually read it. | ||
| And he's right, kind of. | ||
| For example, these people are actually globalists. | ||
| It's like a multinational corporation. | ||
| People who are actually open borders. | ||
| They are pro-open borders. | ||
| They're pro-you know, corporate influence around the world because they run a giant corporation. | ||
| The chemicals they're putting in the water technically were actually, he wasn't even going far enough. | ||
| These chemicals were making the frogs trans. | ||
| Like, it would, for 90% of the frogs, and it was only a certain chemical, a certain pesticide, and it was affecting a certain kind of frog. | ||
| So, and it, it doesn't, I know. | ||
| How does it make them trans? | ||
| Well, I don't know the process, obviously. | ||
| I'm not a scientist, but like, um, but I mean, for 90% of them, oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, no, no, literally, for 90% of the frogs that were touched, someone like that, I'll have to, you know, check the numbers. | ||
| But for a large, for the majority of the frogs touched, it would make them behave in like the sort of feminine way. | ||
| Male frogs, it'd make them behave in a feminine way. | ||
| And for 10% of the frogs touched by this chemical, it would actually set them through a process to transform into a fertile female frog. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So it wasn't even making them gay. | ||
| It was literally making them trans, right? | ||
| That's not even trans, right? | ||
| But that's literally like changing your actual sex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's literally like transitioning into an actual female that's actually fertile. | ||
| So it's better than we can do for human beings. | ||
| But this was actually a real thing. | ||
| It wasn't like an intentional plan to try and turn people into gays or trans or whatever, though. | ||
| And it was done by people who are globalists, probably, but it wasn't done as part of a nefarious plot. | ||
| It was done because it was cheaper to just dump the chemicals, you know, obviously. | ||
| And it was just an unintended plan. | ||
| It's just ironic that when Alex Jones says, you know, the globalists are putting chemicals into water that make Franz gay. | ||
| Well, he's right. | ||
| Well, you know, during Desert Storm, there was a project that they put together where they were trying to figure out a gay bomb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know about that? | ||
| Yeah, I heard about that. | ||
| Like, these soldiers were about to start like, well, okay, I'm not feeling very horny, but now I've decided I like men. | ||
| They would blow this stuff in the air, blow it up, and it would land down on them, and it would transfer them into gay people, and they'd be so ashamed that they would stop fighting and lose morale. | ||
| This was a real consideration. | ||
| They spent millions of dollars on these. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| These guys were fearsomely gay. | ||
| That was a superpower to the Thebans. | ||
| Scientists developed gay bomb to make enemy soldiers stop fighting and make love. | ||
| Does 2007? | ||
| Do, do, do, do, do, do. | ||
| Scientists at Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio, working to make America's military even mightier, made the discovery in 1994, according to the detailed papers unearthed through a freedom of information request. | ||
| And last night, they were finally rewarded with an IG or LG? | ||
| Ignoble Awards, sorry. | ||
| Ignoble Prize for Peace, a spoof of the Nobel Prize. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Due to be announced next week, Mark Abrahams, editor of the Annals of the Improbable Research and the man behind the Ignoble Awards, explained, we don't know if this document was the start and end of it or whatever. | ||
| In fact, this project continued and perhaps continues to this day. | ||
| So to this day, they might be working on a gay bomb. | ||
| Do you think Trump puts a stop to that? | ||
| He doesn't like unnecessary spending. | ||
| He's pro-gay, though. | ||
| Yeah, but he doesn't want more gays. | ||
| It's too complicated to change people. | ||
| What if a regular guy like him gets bitten by that spider? | ||
| By a radioactive gay spider. | ||
| Do you know about that tick that turns people into vegans? | ||
| Go on down. | ||
| There's a tick. | ||
| This tick bites you and you develop a meat allergy. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's called a lone star tick. | ||
| Where do they live? | ||
| Where they live? | ||
| Probably Texas because it's called a lone star tick. | ||
| But I think they're spreading. | ||
| It would be ironic if it was in the meat-eating capital of the world. | ||
| Lone Star Tick, making people allergic to red meat. | ||
| That'd eat the fuck out of some chicken, though. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| Do you reckon it was engineered by the government? | ||
| I just think it's just nature deciding we're tired of their bullshit. | ||
| Look, it's been recorded as far north as Maine and all the way to central Texas and Oklahoma. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The ticks are found in the dense undergrowth and wooded areas as well as around animal resting areas. | ||
| You know, I've been thinking about this, man, because I run in the hills where this ticks. | ||
| I saw a tick, like Ari and I did a podcast the other day that we will release on July 18th, which is the day that Ari's Netflix special comes out. | ||
| But we did a Podcast where we went on a hike and I put on a weighted vest and we went through the woods and did the whole thing that I do when I run. | ||
| And a tick landed on Ari and we knocked it off and then we started talking about it and like going, is there a way to stop ticks from coming on you? | ||
| Is there like an effective do they have a spray? | ||
| Like ticks are not like mosquitoes, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is there an effective tick spray? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| You should know, dude. | ||
| You're so smart. | ||
| Dude, I don't know about ticks. | ||
| I'm not that smart. | ||
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There's tick repellent. | |
| Oh, there is. | ||
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I don't know how effective it is, though. | |
| Hmm. | ||
| Yeah, mosquito repellent doesn't always work. | ||
| I get bitch. | ||
| It never fucking works. | ||
| I get bullish. | ||
| You know what works? | ||
| Thermacell. | ||
| You ever use a thermocell? | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| I don't know if it's bad for you, but it's amazing. | ||
| I don't even know what that is. | ||
| Thermocell is in a piece of equipment that people take on hikes and camping and hunting. | ||
| Yeah, I don't go to the woods much. | ||
| There's this chemical that screws into the bottom, and then it has an element. | ||
| You click it and it heats on, and it makes this fine mist through this element. | ||
| And this fine mist, it doesn't smell bad to people, but mosquitoes cannot fuck with it. | ||
| They just vanish. | ||
| It's not poisonous to long term or anything. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| I don't want to be doing this, and then five years later, you've got dementia. | ||
| I already have it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Panicking? | ||
| Yeah, I'm panicking now. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Some things I can't remember. | ||
| So Bigfoot then. | ||
| Yeah, what about them? | ||
| Have you seen one? | ||
| Oh, no, I definitely haven't. | ||
| But I went looking. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did a whole TV show about it. | ||
| Yeah, did you? | ||
| Oh, I didn't see it. | ||
| Well, I did this show that I used to do on the sci-fi channel that made me, this made a lot of people mad at me, and it also made me realize what conspiracy theories really were all about. | ||
| The show was called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. | ||
| So I would go and I would embed myself with these people and hang out with them. | ||
| And I embedded myself with these Bigfoot people. | ||
| And what I said at the end of it was, here's one thing that you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot. | ||
| Black people. | ||
| You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot. | ||
| It's a bunch of unfuckable white guys out camping. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| No one's horrible. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Black people don't want to have nothing to do with it. | ||
| It's a goofy white obsession. | ||
| And it's also, there's no one that I talked to. | ||
| There's like one lady that had a pretty good story. | ||
| She believed what she was saying. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Black bears are huge. | ||
| And you can get a black bear that's seven feet tall easily. | ||
| And they walk on their hind legs sometimes. | ||
| They just do. | ||
| Everybody knows they do. | ||
| There's video of them. | ||
| It's not a mystery. | ||
| Black bears walking through the woods on hind legs that are seven feet tall. | ||
| You would think that's Bigfoot. | ||
| This is really just telling my life upside down. | ||
| I mean, if there's no Bigfoot, but the Earth is flat. | ||
| What do I believe? | ||
| Well, I don't think the Earth is flat either. | ||
| I think it's just everything's a lie, man. | ||
| This is all psychology. | ||
| But the Bigfoot thing, there are so many really convincing stories. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I've never heard one. | ||
| Sorry? | ||
| I haven't heard one of them. | ||
| What, convincing stories? | ||
| Of Bigfoot? | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, I've heard loads where they're like, you know, I was like, you know, five feet away from this Houston, and it didn't have like, you know, it didn't have a bear's face, it had a man's face. | ||
| And they'll be like, you know, and it was, you know, looking at me and stuff like this. | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| But nobody has ever got a good picture of any of these things, you know? | ||
| Yeah, nobody believes that. | ||
| But nobody goes to the woods on a regular, other than Les Stroud, Survivor Man, he believes it. | ||
| Yeah, but there are never any bodies. | ||
| There's never any feces. | ||
| I've heard bears make a fucking monkey noise, too. | ||
| I heard him say that. | ||
| He's like, it made it sound like, ooh, hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. | ||
| And he's like, it was clearly a primate sound. | ||
| But I've heard, I've seen in my own eyes in the woods a bear do that with another bear. | ||
| They make that when they fight with each other. | ||
| Yeah, it must be bears. | ||
| It must be. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Because, I mean, you can't have like, you can't have like a species of Australopithecus or whatever it's supposed to be. | ||
| Gigantopithecus. | ||
| Sorry, yeah, gigantopithecus. | ||
| Whatever it's supposed to be. | ||
| And just like, I mean, don't be wrong, America's a huge place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You would find something. | ||
| You would find something. | ||
| You'd find a dead one or something after a while. | ||
| There's enough people looking, but the thing is, when they found out about that Hobbit guy, do you know the Hobbit person? | ||
| Homo florensis. | ||
| Florencesis. | ||
| Florences. | ||
| Yeah, I know the thing you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, the island of Flores, yeah, in Indonesia. | ||
| They found within the last 14,000 years, there was absolutely a little person that was like two and a half, three feet tall. | ||
| Yeah, but they look 100% human. | ||
| This thing did not look 100% human. | ||
| It was another type or an offshoot of Homo sapiens. | ||
| Something that's something that classified it. | ||
| I don't know if they have DNA. | ||
| It's a relation of humans, obviously, spurred somewhere. | ||
| It's a type of humans, but it's not Neanderthal and it's not Homo sapien. | ||
| And this thing was 14,000 years ago. | ||
| So they know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal, and it lived 100% alongside human beings as recently as 100,000 years ago. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| But this is just nonsense, though, the big for thing. | ||
| Well, that orang pendeck is much more interesting. | ||
| The orang pendeck is a small hobbit-like man that lived, I think that might have been Indonesia as well. | ||
| But maybe Vietnam. | ||
| Maybe it's Vietnam. | ||
| Well, I think it's some of these tropical jungle climates where there might have been, as recently as 100 years ago or whatever, there might have been a few of those fuckers remaining. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| I mean, when someone dies in the woods, man, do you know how many people we lose in the United States in the woods? | ||
| Thousands every year. | ||
| Thousands. | ||
| I watch David Pilates all the time on Art Bell and stuff. | ||
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It's fascinating. | |
| I think he's great. | ||
| I love that he's such a clean-cut all-American guy. | ||
| And he never goes into the wild conspiracy theory angle of it. | ||
| But it's always hinting that it's probably Bigfoot. | ||
| It's always hinting it's probably Bigfoot. | ||
| Well, that was a movie rather. | ||
| He never is. | ||
| Bobcat Goldwait made a movie about Bigfoot eating people. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| It's called Willow Creek. | ||
| It's a horror movie. | ||
| Bobcat Goldwait made a horror movie? | ||
| Dude, he made a great horror movie. | ||
| It's like a sort of like one of those Blair Witch Project type movies about a couple that go up looking for Bigfoot, you know, and it's just a film where the original Patterson footage was taking place. | ||
| It's a person in a suit. | ||
| People love, they want to believe. | ||
| It's a person in the fucking suit. | ||
| Bobcat wants to believe. | ||
| Yeah, but why do they put tits on the suit? | ||
| Because it's a girl. | ||
| Why would they make it? | ||
| It looks terrible. | ||
| Anybody who looks at it, it looks like a person in a suit. | ||
| That's another part of my bit. | ||
| I said, whenever you see something that looks like a person in a suit, it's a person in a suit. | ||
| There's not a fucking animal alive. | ||
| It looks like a person in a suit. | ||
| I just wanted to know what the conversation was. | ||
| It's like, look, if we get a male suit, I mean, it's going to look like a person in a suit, but if we get a female suit, they're going to be like, why would they put tits on it? | ||
| Well, it has to be a real big female. | ||
| They did a female because a female would be smaller than a male. | ||
| So instead of it being an eight-foot-tall thing, you get a six-foot-tall thing. | ||
| And it's like a regular size dude with some nice tits. | ||
| And you're like, it's a chick, bro. | ||
| Meanwhile, it's a big guy. | ||
| It's like a big six. | ||
| I love the Bigfoot. | ||
| I love the breakdown videos all over YouTube. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| And it's always like, no, that's a dude in the suit. | ||
| There was a WikiLeaks that was just released today about NASA knowing about aliens. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Come on, go. | ||
| Pull it up, Jamie. | ||
| NASA knows about aliens. | ||
| They have information that Wikileaks knows, and they're going to spill the beans. | ||
| I'll tell you, when it comes out tomorrow, it really is true, and then there's like an alien ambassador on the White House lawn or something. | ||
| You're going to be like, oh, okay, I was, you know, you look like a prat on yourself. | ||
| Oh, it's Anonymous. | ||
| I thought it was WikiLeaks. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Anonymous, much more likely to be pranksters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, much more likely. | ||
| That's very generous. | ||
| Anonymous, a global hacking collective, believes that alien life exists and thinks NASA is about to confirm it. | ||
| The shadowy group. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I love that. | ||
| It's a shadowy group. | ||
| It's a group of autistic people. | ||
| So you can be in. | ||
| You could join. | ||
| No, how do you know I'm not? | ||
| I'm in two. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In a 12-and-a-half-minute video published in an unofficial YouTube channel on Tuesday, the video centers around recent findings by the American Space Organization, including the discovery of 219 new planet candidates, 10 of which present similar conditions to Earth, by NASA's Kepler Space Telescope team in June, as well as comments made by a senior NASA official. | ||
| But here's the real thing, right? | ||
| You believe, and I believe as well, that it's entirely possible that some life exists somewhere in the infinite universe. | ||
| I can't believe it doesn't. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We're on the same page. | ||
| Why are we so skeptical about it visiting us? | ||
| Because it's very difficult to visit us. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if it's way more advanced than us, shouldn't it be able to figure it out, just like we could figure out how to get a probe to Jupiter? | ||
| Why can't it figure out how to visit us? | ||
| But then we've got a government conspiracy in cover-up. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Or are they just people and they don't know any more than you or I? | ||
| Like, we don't know shit. | ||
| If aliens came here, do you think they would like go, oh, that's an elected official? | ||
| Clearly that guy's the mayor. | ||
| Let me talk to him. | ||
| No, they'd look at this fucking ant hill and they'd be like, which one of these dip shit should we tell? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll just pick that guy up and stick some stuff up his ass and run some tests on him. | ||
| That's bollocks, though, because I've never been listening. | ||
| I'm really offended. | ||
| We've got friends online forever, and this is just a lot of fun. | ||
| I've got a counter-argument to this. | ||
| We can distinguish between from one ant to another. | ||
| We can see the workers, we can see the soldiers, we can see the queen. | ||
| They can tell, they would surely be smart enough to see the family. | ||
| Yeah, but the soldiers and the queen are physically shaped different. | ||
| They're different things. | ||
| Like this big one makes all the babies. | ||
| It's pretty obvious that a queen bee, she has a giant stinger that doesn't detach and she goes and kills all the baby bees. | ||
| Oh, that bitch is trying to kill the women. | ||
| They can't speak English. | ||
| Why can't they speak English? | ||
| They probably can. | ||
| Yeah, so if they probably miss the president, they'll be like, okay, well, we have to think that if something is alien, that it could be so alien that all of our concepts of culture are so bizarre that there's no context for it to relate. | ||
| And how can they understand our language? | ||
| They just know what we're saying. | ||
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Right. | |
| They know what we're saying based on the fact that it's fairly simple. | ||
| If they can understand our language, then they must have relatable or similar concepts in their own language. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| To be able to translate. | ||
| Then they can't understand our language. | ||
| That's not necessarily true. | ||
| That's putting them into a limitation that we currently have. | ||
| Like, we understand dolphin language, but we know they have a language. | ||
| Yeah, but we can appreciate the dolphins probably have a concept for eating. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, like, if the dolphins, I don't know what dolphin language is. | ||
| Yeah, but we're talking about culture in terms of like who's the queen, who's the male. | ||
| The hierarchical. | ||
| You know, they'll have like an alpha dolphin. | ||
| And people, the dolphins will have some like, you know, cliques that mean the person in charge. | ||
| I mean, they must have some concept of hierarchy because they have a concept of hierarchy. | ||
| You can see them operate under a concept of hierarchy. | ||
| But you know that we don't really understand dolphin language. | ||
| Well, no, but I mean, we can surely pick out like the concepts themselves. | ||
| I mean, they must understand the concept of leader, or they just can't understand the concept of leader. | ||
| I don't think it is widely understood what dolphins are saying. | ||
| I think we can translate dolphin to human. | ||
| Well, we can't even recreate it. | ||
| No, no, I'm sure. | ||
| But I mean, we can't recreate their sounds. | ||
| Like, we don't know what their sounds mean. | ||
| Like, if we said a bunch of shit to a dolphin, like, of course not. | ||
| I'm not saying we can talk to dolphins or anything, but like with a dog, you know, dogs have got certain kinds of very, very primitive methods of communication. | ||
| But like a dog whimpers, you know it's in pain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know. | ||
| And so I have to have a concept of being in pain to understand the dogs going, I know that that means the dog's hurt. | ||
| I must understand that the concept of hurt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so if the aliens, if they can understand English, then they must understand the concept of what a president is. | ||
| And they must have some sort of way of analyzing it, surely. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If they can take in all the superiors. | ||
| They're superior to us, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if not superior, technologically far more advanced in that they've been alive longer. | ||
| But when you consider the possibility of all sorts of different weather conditions, different life conditions, maybe different solar systems where they have zero concern about being hit by an asteroid. | ||
| They're always bipedal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's because they're supposed to represent us in the future. | ||
| That's because it's easier. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Well, surely. | ||
| It's trying to relate to. | ||
| I think it's a relatable thing. | ||
| It could be that too. | ||
| But that was my point, is that I think that aliens could potentially be so alien that they can't even relate to the concept of our ability to communicate with noises. | ||
| Like they might be communicating with smells. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They might be using some telekinesis or some shit. | ||
| Psychics, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, yes. | ||
| So do you think if you had a bet all of your YouTube money have aliens been here or no? | ||
| I've probably been no. | ||
| No? | ||
| Yeah, I'm a bit of a skeptic. | ||
| I wouldn't need to. | ||
| I mean, all of the ancient alien stuff is total horseshit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Total horse shit. | ||
| That stuff really fits more into the Graham Hancock Randall Carlson mode of there being an ancient, very advanced civilization that probably was wiped out. | ||
| Just like we know there have been civilizations that were wiped out, it's much more likely that someone, like say in Machu Picchu, someone was able to construct things that were like really confusing to us today. | ||
| It wouldn't come from the new world. | ||
| It's really interesting because as soon as you start going down this line, you think, okay, what do you need to have high civilization? | ||
| You need a certain series of things. | ||
| And there are a bunch of books you can read to. | ||
| Abundance of food, agriculture. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| You need a lot more than that as well. | ||
| You can read Thomas Solithing's Wealth, Power, or Poverty and Politics. | ||
| I can't remember what the title is. | ||
| And Why Nations Fail and What's the Guns Gentlemen Steal? | ||
| Yes, I read Guns Gentlemen. | ||
| Read these books and then suddenly you understand what populations need. | ||
| I read three quarters of it, I should be honest. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I bailed on it, but there's a whole slew of things you need as a civilization for humans to develop to high sort of standards. | ||
| Population density and all this sort of thing. | ||
| But it's not just population density, it's lots of other places that have high population densities. | ||
| So in Africa, for example, you've got very few areas that have high population density. | ||
| And so you don't have great civilizations like in sort of sub-Saharan Africa because they just aren't great cities, dense cities to trade with. | ||
| And then you go, okay, well, what they had, it's difficult to trade because in Africa, and this is something that Thomas Sowell goes into, is that, look, the rivers aren't very navigable. | ||
| You know, there are lots of rapids, lots of rocks. | ||
| They're not very deep. | ||
| You can't carry huge barges down. | ||
| They're not like the Danube. | ||
| This thing goes for hundreds of miles and it's deep and you can get barges all up and down it and stuff like this. | ||
| I mean, and traveling goods by water is so much more efficient. | ||
| Like, you know, like 20 times more efficient than taking them over the land. | ||
| And so if you don't have pre-large machines, and so you need that innovation in order to create the large machines in the first place. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And you need somewhere to take it. | ||
| You're not trading with anyone if you're the one Atlantean civilization, no one else is buying your goods. | ||
| It's all horseshit. | ||
| It just couldn't happen based on what you need for this thing to actually end up existing. | ||
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Right. | |
| In order for an Atlantis to exist, you really have to have a bunch of Atlantis. | ||
| It's a bunch of wide Atlantis. | ||
| Which is more likely that there were some sophisticated civilizations that were hit by asteroids. | ||
| A lot of evidence for that. | ||
| A lot of iridium, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of actual physical evidence. | ||
| Yeah, there's also this stuff, stuff called nuclear glass. | ||
| Well, it's the best evidence because iridium comes from space. | ||
| You know, iridium, when you find it in large quantities, indicates an asteroidal impact. | ||
| Iridium is very common in space and extremely rare on Earth. | ||
| So when there's a whole sediment layer of iridium, it's almost entirely provable. | ||
| Yeah, but that's when it was hit by something. | ||
| Wouldn't there be some sort of ruins underneath this then? | ||
| Yeah, they found a lot of ruins. | ||
| I mean, this is what's really fascinating about how Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 plus years old. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but that didn't die out because it was hit by an asteroid. | ||
| Well, this is what Graham Hancock and Randall Carl have been speculating. | ||
| That was really primitive. | ||
| Okay, you don't know that. | ||
| But before we go into it. | ||
| Well, a massive, huge stone columns that are 19 feet tall that are carved out of stone by people that are hunters and gatherers. | ||
| It's pretty impressive. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But the point being, it's impressive for the thing, but it's not like a technological achievement. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| What is impressive? | ||
| Machu Picchu impressive? | ||
| It's pretty impressive, right? | ||
| That's not very old, though. | ||
| Well, it's thousands, a couple thousand years old. | ||
| 1400. | ||
| 1400. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Okay, I don't think that's true, and I don't think they know that for a fact. | ||
| And this is one of the speculations that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have presented, is that the evidence of this nuclear glass, which only exists on impact sites, before you go to your phone, listen to me so you can understand what I'm saying. | ||
| Impact sites where meteors hit or where they've done nuclear tests. | ||
| So they've found this stuff and micro-diamonds, evidence of massive impacts. | ||
| When they do core samples, they found it at 10,000 and 12,000 years, which is essentially the same time period as the end of the ice age. | ||
| I did a huge podcast on it with geologists. | ||
| They don't know, though. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| When you talk to an expert, this is pure speculation. | ||
| There's no carbon-dated evidence that points to that age. | ||
| Whereas there is with the Sphinx. | ||
| So with the Sphinx, or excuse me, with the Great Pyramids. | ||
| The Great Pyramid of Giza, they've done some tests on some of the sediment and some of the stuff in between the stones, and they brought it to about 2,500 BC. | ||
| They found like a pretty specifically. | ||
| Yeah, they found a bunch of stuff that shows with a very high degree of possibility or probability that it's around 2500 BC. | ||
| What they've done with this evidence of massive impacts- Yeah. | ||
| But there's with rather the Great Pyrrhan. | ||
| But there's plenty of evidence that there was some sort of a massive event around 10,000 and 12,000 years ago. | ||
| And what their belief is that this is where all the stories of Atlantis come from. | ||
| This is where all these stories of these great civilizations that were wiped out come from, is that most likely we experienced a big die-off. | ||
| And a lot of people were affected by these disasters and catastrophes that coincided with asteroidal impacts. | ||
| Maybe, but I mean, we know where the stories of Atlantis come from. | ||
| Plato. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he claims to have gone to Egypt and been taught this. | ||
| But it's all, I mean, it's not like a real thing. | ||
| I mean, he said it was 9,000 years before the present. | ||
| But the thing is, then he was in the story. | ||
| For example, 9,000 years ago, there wasn't an Egypt. | ||
| 2,500 years ago from now, like 500 BC. | ||
| Like 9,000 years before that, there was no Egypt. | ||
| There was no Athens. | ||
| And yet the story involves them. | ||
| That's not necessarily true either. | ||
| Robert Schock, who's a geologist out of Boston University, has done a lot of investigation on the temple that the Sphinx was carved out of, like where the Sphinx is, the walls of the temple. | ||
| And he believes it's from water erosion. | ||
| There's these fissures, these deep erosion marks that they believe indicate that the temple of Sphinx, the area that's carved out of, is far older than the same, like they know that the Great Pyramid of Giza is 2,500 BC, but they always attribute the Sphinx to being the same timeline. | ||
| Dr. Robert Chock from Boston University says that's not the case. | ||
| He said, what you're looking at is thousands of years of rainfall, and they have hundreds of geologists that have signed off on this. | ||
| This is not like, and there's, he goes over the physical evidence of these fissures and how they're made. | ||
| He's like, as a geologist, I can tell you, you are looking at thousands of years of rainfall. | ||
| The last time there was serious rainfall in the Nile Valley was about 7,000 BC. | ||
| So what he's saying is it's entirely possible that there have been many different civilizations that lived in this area, and that Egypt is a civilization that might have gone back many, many thousands of years longer than just the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza. | ||
| I wasn't talking about the Great Pyramid of Giza, really. | ||
| But that's Egypt. | ||
| Well, no, that's just a monument in Egypt. | ||
| Right, but Egypt is a place that did exist 10,000 years ago, 12,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago. | ||
| But don't say no, it didn't, because you don't really know. | ||
| Well, no, well. | ||
| But you're saying no, it didn't. | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| Are you an Egyptologist? | ||
| Do you have boots on the ground and talk to the people over there? | ||
| We don't really know, right? | ||
| Well, you don't know what I'm about to say. | ||
| But you said, no, it didn't. | ||
| Well, yeah, but the state of Egypt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like as, all right. | ||
| There undoubtedly would have been people living in the area, right? | ||
| But calling it Egypt, you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, they wouldn't have called Egypt. | ||
| When did they start calling it Egypt? | ||
| Oh, I'd have to look that up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But we can tell, archaeologists can tell, like when the grains were first domesticated and things like this. | ||
| And you're never going to have a state without farming. | ||
| You're not going to have a hunter-gatherer state where they have a government. | ||
| And you need a surplus of food to be able to support a priestly class and a sort of bureaucratic class. | ||
| And to get something built, you need these things. | ||
| Not necessarily carving out of stone. | ||
| If you're going to build a pyramid, yes, you need these things. | ||
| Maybe carving a Sphinx, that's something tribesmen could do. | ||
| Maybe Beltepe, however it's pronounced. | ||
| Gobeckling. | ||
| Yeah, Kobekli. | ||
| I can easily believe that nomadic hunter-gatherers, they could have crafted that because you're just basically sanding and chipping a stone. | ||
| Well, they moved them, too. | ||
| These are huge chunks of stone that were done back when they didn't have a surplus of resources. | ||
| They're hunters and gatherers. | ||
| I mean, don't get wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't like a monumental achievement. | ||
| For the time and the resources, it obviously was. | ||
| But we know that they weren't farming. | ||
| We might be right about that, or we might not be right. | ||
| You're talking about an incredibly long time ago. | ||
| 12,000 years ago is a long time. | ||
| And whatever evidence would be left has really probably been absorbed by the Earth by now. | ||
| Maybe, but I mean, we can't sit there and speculate about something that might have happened if we've got no evidence. | ||
| But that's exactly what we're doing if we're saying that they were definitely hunter and gatherers. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We do know. | ||
| What we do know is they were capable of making these incredibly massive, complicated structures 12,000 years ago for sure. | ||
| Is the Sphinx an incredibly massive complicated thing? | ||
| Well, no, we're talking about that. | ||
| We're talking about Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| But yeah, it's not big. | ||
| It's fucking huge. | ||
| And for you to say that is very disturbing because they've only uncovered 5% of it or 10%. | ||
| It's massive. | ||
| I thought they'd uncovered more than that. | ||
| No. | ||
| But like the stones themselves, I mean, they're quite big stones. | ||
| But see, but this is the problem. | ||
| You don't know a lot about it, but you're automatically jumping to this skeptical. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| But you haven't if you didn't think it was big. | ||
| I wonder what they like. | ||
| I just can't remember off the top of my head exactly. | ||
| That's the problem, but you're so convinced in your argument, but you're not really, you know, you haven't really spent a whole lot of time thinking about it. | ||
| But they're carving stone, man. | ||
| That's not very difficult. | ||
| They're not just carving stone. | ||
| They're carving stern with three-dimensional objects in the stone, meaning like lizards that are on the outside of it, 19-foot tall, stone columns in concentric circles. | ||
| They're huge structures. | ||
| Look at the technology to do. | ||
| It does to move those things. | ||
| Look at the image on the far right. | ||
| That's what they have figured out so far by using radar underground. | ||
| I mean, look at the size of this. | ||
| Don't get me wrong, that is huge. | ||
| It's fucking giant. | ||
| It's fucking primitive. | ||
| It's just stone. | ||
| It's not that primitive for someone to make something out of stone. | ||
| It's really impressive. | ||
| It's really impressive, right? | ||
| It must be a bit more. | ||
| It's a bit primitive in turn, but like they don't have a TV. | ||
| Is that what you mean? | ||
| For example, I'm sure if they went and did some sort of super high resolution scans on it or something like that, they'd be like, right, okay, this has been carved with other stone tools, or they can tell that it's been carved with copper tools or whatever. | ||
| That won't have been carved by copper tools. | ||
| Well, you know, they don't even know that when it comes to the Great Pyramid. | ||
| In fact, there's a lot of people who speculate they figured out a way to make some sort of a diamond-tipped drill in order to make the king's chamber and some of the sarcophaguses. | ||
| It's not fringe. | ||
| They don't really know how they carved out some of the stone. | ||
| There's a simple vase. | ||
| There's a simple vase in Egypt that they don't understand because it's carved completely out of one piece of stone. | ||
| But it's so intricate and so hard that they've made this incredibly thin lip on this vase and they've gone deep inside of it and the whole thing is entirely smooth. | ||
| They really don't know how the fuck they did it. | ||
| Probably sandpaper. | ||
| I'm rubbing it. | ||
| Patience. | ||
| They can't get your fingers inside of this thing. | ||
| I'm talking about an actual vase. | ||
| Yeah, it's very, very confusing. | ||
| Do modern archaeologists. | ||
| This is not cringe in any way. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I was talking about ancient civilizations themselves. | ||
| But what is an ancient advanced civilization? | ||
| Like, don't you agree that the Parthenon, the Acropolis, that's an advanced civilization. | ||
| Not particularly for the time. | ||
| For what they accomplished was amazing. | ||
| Yeah, they said, no, no, it's a great thing. | ||
| The massive stones that are cut in place, the beautiful columns. | ||
| They've been cutting stones for centuries. | ||
| Well, then what is an advanced civilization if that's not advanced? | ||
| Well, that's the point, isn't it? | ||
| What are you talking about calling the Advanced Agreement? | ||
| Periods created the Parthenon as the glorification of Athens over its empire, right? | ||
| It's not that these things didn't already exist, it's that he wanted to make Athens look special in the eyes of the rest of the world. | ||
| This is what I'm confused. | ||
| Like, what year did this happen and when do you consider people to be able to do that? | ||
| It was about, I don't know, 460 BC or something. | ||
| Right, so that looks like it. | ||
| Isn't that an advanced civilization? | ||
| No, really. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| If that didn't exist anywhere and then all of a sudden 10,000 years ago. | ||
| Yeah, but if 10,000 years ago, something like the Parthenon and the Acropolis, if we could prove that 10,000 years before anybody had done anything else, that existed, you'd be blown away by that, right? | ||
| Yeah, but shocking. | ||
| Yeah, no, the Parthenon. | ||
| The Parthenon may be 10,000 BC. | ||
| That would be incredible, right? | ||
| Right, it would be, right? | ||
| But a bunch of upright stones that have been nicely carved to have animals on them and stuff like that. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| Massive stones, 19 feet tall in concentric circles, all in this huge stone. | ||
| We've got stone hens in Britain. | ||
| We know how they made it. | ||
| We know where the stones came from. | ||
| We know how them gotten there. | ||
| You're one of those dudes. | ||
| What? | ||
| You're one of those dudes. | ||
| That's a red history. | ||
| No, not just red history, because you don't know anything about Gobekli Tepe, and yet you're so eager to... | ||
| Well, I know a bit. | ||
| You just keep interrupting me. | ||
| Oh, I interrupt you. | ||
| You're adorable. | ||
| You keep going with these things. | ||
| You really don't even know anything about this area, and yet you're convinced it was made by hunters and gatherers. | ||
| There's a lot of argument one way or the other about this. | ||
| No, no, it's entirely possible that they had discovered farming, I guess. | ||
| I mean, that's the area that farming was originally originally. | ||
| That is part of the problem, right? | ||
| When you get to 12,000 years ago, who knows what the fuck they were doing. | ||
| That's the end of the ice age, isn't it? | ||
| And we think they knew things, and then we find out that they knew more. | ||
| The Earth is mostly covered in ice, how could you get an advanced civilization? | ||
| Part of the Earth is mostly covered in ice. | ||
| Like when you're dealing with North America, right. | ||
| North America 12,000 years ago, big parts of it, right? | ||
| And the South, too. | ||
| So you've got like a band in the middle. | ||
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| I mean, where do they think Turkey was like back then? | ||
| Because this is where Gobekli Tepe is in, Turkey. | ||
| What do they think Turkey was like 12,000 years ago? | ||
| And the problem is if they can carbon date it absolutely to 12,000 years ago, they know it was covered up. | ||
| It was intentionally covered 12,000 years ago. | ||
| This is the story of Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| When was it constructed? | ||
| That they don't know because stone you can't carbon date. | ||
| Like the way they did it with the Egyptian pyramids, they got the material in between each stone. | ||
| I can completely believe that, you know, like 30,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, I could believe in a certain area of the world that a bunch of tribesmen who hunter-gathering, maybe seasonally nomadic, you know, for 100 years, you know, maybe it was a religious duty they considered it to be. | ||
| I mean, that's the thing. | ||
| Stonehenge was built over a period of thousand years. | ||
| I mean, it took a long time to just put these fucking stones up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, so I mean, we don't know how long this would have taken, but to have a bunch of carved stones upright, even if they're big, that just requires more people. | ||
| That's not a great technological feat. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Well, what is a technological feat if carving the Acropolis is not a technological feat? | ||
| Well, it was a technological feat, but it wasn't particularly unique to the world at the time. | ||
| In fact, the Persians and the Babylonians and the Assyrians, they've been known for thousands of years before that. | ||
| The Greeks were catching up. | ||
| Doesn't that then support the idea that Gobekli Tepe is even more unique? | ||
| Because it wasn't a critic before. | ||
| No, no, that's right. | ||
| It's an advanced civilization then. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, it's advanced for the rest of the world, but it's... | ||
| If we wanted to build something like that today, it would take massive resources. | ||
| It would take huge machines. | ||
| It would take a gigantic group of engineers. | ||
| That would be a huge project. | ||
| Yeah, but that's out of convenience. | ||
| What do you mean out of convenience? | ||
| Why are you discussing that? | ||
| How is it out of convenience when you get 19-foot-tall stones that are moving them in a circle? | ||
| I mean, it's a lot of work. | ||
| Yeah, of course it is. | ||
| Yeah, that's why we'd use machines. | ||
| Because it would just be a lot of work. | ||
| It's not as simple as you just use machines. | ||
| You'd have to get very specific, massive machines that are incredibly difficult to engineer. | ||
| And these people did that without any of that shit. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| They used ropes and pulleys and logs. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Probably not pulleys, actually, but the ropes and logs. | ||
| Who knows how the fuck they did it? | ||
| But that's what we're supposed to believe. | ||
| There was no wheel back then. | ||
| No, it probably wasn't. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty spectacular. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no, no. | ||
| Okay, yeah, right. | ||
| Okay, so let me. | ||
| So I'm not trying to take away the amount of effort involved in building this thing and the willpower to do it and the manpower to do it. | ||
| What are you trying to say? | ||
| This is not indicative of advanced civilization. | ||
| I think it's our definition of advanced. | ||
| For example, like I would consider advanced civilization to have writing. | ||
| I would consider them to have metallurgy. | ||
| I wouldn't even call this advanced. | ||
| This puts them where we were 4,000 years ago, you know, as a species. | ||
| So advanced is like sumer. | ||
| So it's like, I mean, what... | ||
| I mean, yeah, I mean, if you want to speculate, there might have been a civilization like pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age that had writing and metallurgy and, you know, great cities and international trade, agriculture, all the sort of stuff that we would... | ||
| But when I say advanced, we mean not as advanced as we are now. | ||
| Pre-modern, right? | ||
| Well, that's what everyone speculates about Atlantis as well. | ||
| No one ever thinks that Atlantis was like today. | ||
| They think some crazy things, some people. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, yeah, some people. | ||
| Some people are. | ||
| But yeah, we should have been more specific. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm sure that for the time, like when a random tribe came over the hill and they saw Gabukli Tepe and it was incredible, they were just like, oh, the gods have built this. | ||
| You know, that's what they would have thought, I'm sure. | ||
| You know, to them, it would have relatively been incredible. | ||
| And don't get me wrong. | ||
| And I don't want to take away the achievement for the people who made it because it's unbelievably good, especially for the time. | ||
| But if they didn't have metal tools, they didn't have writing, they didn't have agriculture, I wouldn't call that advanced. | ||
| I'd just call that a lot of work for a primitive civilization in the same way that Stonehenge would have been. | ||
| Yeah, the real problem is we don't really know what they had. | ||
| And until more evidence gets uncovered, they're just guessing. | ||
| They have some carbon dating. | ||
| They know that the stones exist. | ||
| They don't even know. | ||
| I mean, they didn't even know about this until 1990 something. | ||
| I mean, they found it in the 90s. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, all over Northern Europe, there are stone circles, henges, mayhems, whatever. | ||
| Well, they find more of those now than ever before with satellites, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've seen the ones that they're finding now in the Amazon? | ||
| And they're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| They're finding all these structures and channels. | ||
| You sent me a link to that because that sounds really interesting. | ||
| Well, that's the lost city of Z. You know about that, right? | ||
| There was a guy who went looking. | ||
| He was an explorer. | ||
| He went looking for the lost city of Z in the Amazon. | ||
| It was like a mythical lost city, and he got eaten by cannibals, apparently. | ||
| There's some movie that's coming out about him right now. | ||
| That's racist, Jay. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| They were white cannibals. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| post-privilege. | ||
| It was speculated that before the The Amazon was covered in an ocean somewhere around 10 million years ago or something. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| But they think that these people had some sort of, you know, for the time again, what is an advanced civilization that probably needs to be defined. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the first stuff. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, it's interesting to say, isn't the Parthenon an advanced thing? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| You know, it was a beautiful thing. | ||
| It was a great construct. | ||
| And it cost the Athenians a lot of money, and they did it to beautify the city and make it the jewel of grace. | ||
| But it wasn't like, I mean, you know. | ||
| What's more impressive is The Parthenon is built in the Acropolis. | ||
| They did it. | ||
| The Acropolis is what's really a trip. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's because it's giant fucking chunks of stone. | ||
| You know how big they are? | ||
| Yeah, I've been there. | ||
| They're huge. | ||
| Yeah, they don't even know why they're there. | ||
| They weren't even built at the same time. | ||
| The Acropolis is just a natural stone formation. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| There's stones under that natural stone formation. | ||
| Like the actual platform that the Parthenon was built on existed before the Parthenon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not sure I follow what you're saying there, because as far as I'm aware, it's just a large stone formation. | ||
| I guess they must have leveled it off something. | ||
| I think there's actual physical stones, actual monstrous physical stones that are involved in the construction. | ||
| Look at Malta and see the same sort of thing. | ||
| Just a photo, see if you could find that. | ||
| There's a bunch of, yeah, the old one. | ||
| What's the thing at Malta where they thought it was built by Cyclopses or something? | ||
| Giant stones like 3,000 years BC. | ||
| Is that Baalbach? | ||
| No, that's in Lebanon. | ||
| There's Baalbach in Lebanon. | ||
| They found these enormous stone carved things. | ||
| Yeah, see those stones? | ||
| Which ones? | ||
| There's some stone. | ||
| See if you could find some images of the side. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's just an actual stone out. | ||
| And the sort of fortifications around it, you can probably Google that and find out when they were put up. | ||
| It was probably like 16th century or something. | ||
| There's nothing mystical about the Parthenon. | ||
| It's just a really useful defensive fortification. | ||
| Well, not mystical. | ||
| I'm just saying ancient. | ||
| I think the speculation was that the Acropolis... | ||
| The bottom. | ||
| The Parthenon's the top. | ||
| No, the Parthenon is on the Acropolis. | ||
| The Parthenon is on the top. | ||
| And the Acropolis is on the bottom. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| The thing that they think is ancient stone. | ||
| The Acropolis. | ||
| Okay, all together. | ||
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| And the Parthenon is just the building. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| The Parthenon was a temple. | ||
| And so when you say the Acropolis, the Parthenon is continuous. | ||
| Most cities had an Acropolis, which is just a raised rocky bit that they built defensive fortifications on. | ||
| They'd put temples on and stuff like that. | ||
| So finally, where I read that, see if you could Google man-made stones in the Acropolis. | ||
| There was some sort of weird speculation that the Acropolis was a part of some structure that was far older than the Parthenon. | ||
| I'm not persuaded by all of that sort of thing. | ||
| That's a bit fringe stuff for me. | ||
| You're not into fringe shit? | ||
| Not when it comes to history. | ||
| I like to know accurate stuff, you know. | ||
| Yeah, no, it makes sense. | ||
| Fringe is always more attractive, though. | ||
| It's interesting, isn't it? | ||
| Because you never know, and they're sort of like, oh, you might be able to find out for yourself. | ||
| But it's also like, undeniably, it has gravity towards me, at least. | ||
| I love the old stuff. | ||
| They're like, no, no, no. | ||
| You know what they found out, man? | ||
| They were werewolves. | ||
| There's always something that you find out. | ||
| Yeah, I went through all of this in my 20s, where I went through literally all of these fucking. | ||
| I'm a late bloomer. | ||
| Yeah, really. | ||
| You'll end up eventually where I am. | ||
| Oh, I definitely won't end up where you are. | ||
| You will. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| No, no, it's a good place to be. | ||
| You'll go through all of these theories and you'll immediately dismiss things. | ||
| No, you don't immediately dismiss things. | ||
| Then you have to start reading about why things happened. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You have to start reading the source material. | ||
| That's why I know who built the Parthenon. | ||
| Right, but that's also why you just flippantly decided that. | ||
| Because Herbert Tepe was small. | ||
| Yeah, well, no, no, it's not the size of it's irrelevant. | ||
| It's the sort of like technological advancement. | ||
| You know, it doesn't take much to carve stone. | ||
| They used to, you know, they'd use other stone to break against it and then they'd smooth it with hands of sand. | ||
| It just took a lot of work for a long time. | ||
| And I mean, don't get wrong, it must have been fucking awful. | ||
| You know, get a hide of leather and put sand on it. | ||
| You can spend ages smoothing out stone. | ||
| Do it yourself if you like. | ||
| It's fucking boring. | ||
| But I guess if you've got nothing else to do all day, because you're a play driver. | ||
| What is this right here, James? | ||
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But that's not carved. | |
| That's like this is bass relief, I believe. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| This is what most of the art on Go Baklatepe was. | ||
| It was like a 3D. | ||
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It could be moved away, not carved into. | |
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's what was interesting about it. | ||
| It's more difficult. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I don't remember. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to take anything away from the artist because that must have been a lot of work. | ||
| What was the man-made stones in the Acropolis? | ||
| Did you find any of that? | ||
| There was evidence of these enormous chunks of rock that were moved. | ||
| But I might be conflating Baalbek in Lebanon with the Acropolis. | ||
| It's all fascinating to me because we don't know. | ||
| We just don't know what these people are up to. | ||
| And we see what they left behind. | ||
| We pieced it together and people have studied it for thousands of years. | ||
| And it's just, it's amazing. | ||
| I'm sure you've been to Rome, right? | ||
| You haven't? | ||
| It's on my list. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| The Coliseum's fairly recent, right? | ||
| You know, they're like one century AD or something. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, in terms of like ancient civilization, very recent. | ||
| It's it's so crazy when they show you the history of it how they used to that whole thing was like Nero's backyard I mean that's really well and then they decided to once they aren't so bad. | ||
| Yeah And this thing has gone through all these different various stages. | ||
| And when they show you all the different things they used to do there, like have these boat fights where they would fill it up with water and they would raise these lions and all these animals through the bottom of the cage and they would fight against them. | ||
| Like, you're fucking crazy. | ||
| And not that long ago. | ||
| Well, yeah, near 2,000 years. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, people used to be brutal. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| People forget. | ||
| Well, we're talking about ISIS. | ||
| They still are. | ||
| Yeah, well, they are. | ||
| But now, I mean, that shocks and is horrible, you know, to most people. | ||
| But in the 15th century, 16th century, kids used to do cockfighting. | ||
| They do it here in the Mexican neighborhoods. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just watching these chickens kill each other. | ||
| Dude, one of my old guy that I used to use as a gardener, like, six, seven years ago, used to cockfight. | ||
| No, no sympathy, no compassion for anything that wasn't human, basically. | ||
| It was like, oh. | ||
| Definitely not for chickens. | ||
| They put razor blades on them. | ||
| They put spurs on them. | ||
| They fight each other. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking crazy. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I went to this guy's yard. | ||
| He had like a hundred roosters in these pens. | ||
| And they would have this carved out area in a pit. | ||
| He'd let the roosters go. | ||
| It's super common. | ||
| It's super common in many parts of the world, in fact. | ||
| It's really common in the south of America. | ||
| Not South America, but south of the United States. | ||
| It's real common, like cockfights. | ||
| It's not thought of the same way as dog fights. | ||
| Dog fights horrify people. | ||
| But chicken fights, people are like, who cares? | ||
| I'll just eat afterwards. | ||
| Maybe it's because you can't eat the dog. | ||
| Well, they still do bullfights in Spain. | ||
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They do. | |
| They're pretty amazing. | ||
| This is pretty controversial these days. | ||
| They just lost another matador a couple days ago. | ||
| He got fucked up. | ||
| He stepped over his own cape, tripped over the cape, got jacked. | ||
| Yeah, he'd get torn apart. | ||
| No sympathy whatsoever. | ||
| No, no, that's a foolish way to die and risk your life. | ||
| And the whole thing is crazy. | ||
| But Spain is an advanced civilization. | ||
| Well, I've known too many Spaniards. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| But don't you know, yeah, they're a modern Western civilization and they have bullfighting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know what's really funny about Spain, though? | ||
| Because I mean, like, in America, you've got a terrible history, right? | ||
| We have a terrible history of being terrible. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the Spanish Spanish history is highly Islamophobic, obviously. | ||
| And I went to Spain a few years ago and everything, everywhere. | ||
| It's a white guy killing a Muslim on every portrait, on every wall. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because they spent 800 years kicking the Muslims out of Spain because the Muslims came along and conquered Spain. | ||
| And so everything is totally Islamophobic because that is their history. | ||
| They can't get away from it. | ||
| There wouldn't be a Spain because the Moors came over and conquered it. | ||
| And they were like, right, everyone's a Muslim now, or you're going to have to pay the Jizya. | ||
| And you're going to be a Dimi. | ||
| And they were like, no, they spent 800 years as resistance or whatever. | ||
| The Spanish before it would be. | ||
| Like, you know, just the Reconquista. | ||
| And it took several crusades. | ||
| It took, you know, hundreds and years and gallons of blood. | ||
| But eventually Spain became Christian again. | ||
| And the Muslims and the Islamophiles who will sit there and go, oh, well, you know, Al-Andalus, yeah, it was stolen from someone else and these people took it back. | ||
| I've got no fucking sympathy for these people who got kicked out who came in originally and weren't even supposed to be there. | ||
| And I tell you what, the Muslims are fucking lucky that Columbus discovered the New World because the Spanish were basically just going to roll up all of North Africa. | ||
| They were planning to take it all fucking back because this was all Christian. | ||
| It really annoys me that people are like, oh, no, that's Muslim. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| And it's because they took it. | ||
| And so if the Spanish are going to take it back, that's just as valid. | ||
| You don't have an argument against them doing it. | ||
| Yeah, once something's been established, though, we don't want you taking it back. | ||
| Well, no, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting it now. | ||
| I'm not suggesting it now, obviously. | ||
| Nationalism. | ||
| But I know you're not suggesting it, but it's still. | ||
| But like, you know, when we're looking back at history through the lens of having a moral judgment about it, and they go, oh, oh, the Spanish kicked the Muslims out of Spain. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good. | ||
| For them. | ||
| They have every right to. | ||
| You can't really have moral judgments about history or not. | ||
| Well, people do this all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the Crusades. | ||
| Like Jimmy Doyle. | ||
| There's nothing worse than the Crusades. | ||
| Shut the fuck up, Jimmy. | ||
| You do not know what you're talking about. | ||
| Just shut up. | ||
| Jenks, stop talking about the Crusades. | ||
| Oh, unless, I tell you what, you're right. | ||
| Let's call them back. | ||
| Bring back the Crusading armies. | ||
| Let's call it Baldwin. | ||
| Baldwin of Jerusalem. | ||
| Come on, you're going to have to come home. | ||
| Come on, Baldwin. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| We shouldn't be crusading. | ||
| Oh, what? | ||
| That ended 800 years ago. | ||
| Boom, done. | ||
| Conversation over. | ||
| It pisses me off, man. | ||
| They keep bringing up this shit. | ||
| Absolute shit. | ||
| But what about the Crusades? | ||
| What about the fucking Crusades? | ||
| Where are the Crusaders, Jank? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Where are the fucking Crusaders? | ||
| Are you talking to Jank Ugre from Jank Ugar? | ||
| Jimmy DeWonti. | ||
| Do you think people know who you're talking about? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some people do, but most people know. | ||
| Jank fucking knows. | ||
| I saw him at VidCon. | ||
| I'm sure he knows because you're talking about him when you say his name, but I'm saying you're saying it to a large audience. | ||
| People know people know. | ||
| Just because you don't know people. | ||
| No, a lot of people don't. | ||
| I do know. | ||
| I do know. | ||
| It would be terrifying for people. | ||
| How do we get out of bullfighting to this? | ||
| Dunno. | ||
| Cultural relativism, basically, I think is what it is. | ||
| But we're talking about advanced civilization. | ||
| I'm absolutely sick of the apologism, though. | ||
| It's like, look, look, things that happened in the past, we don't have to apologize for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These things just happened. | ||
| We don't need to do things. | ||
| But don't you think white people should apologize for all the horrible things that we've done? | ||
| What about the Native Americans? | ||
| Should we apologize to them? | ||
| I think that if they're prepared to apologize to the people they genocided. | ||
| Well, that's you're going a little too far back. | ||
| Well, they don't exist anymore. | ||
| No, you go too far back. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Oh, who designed it? | ||
| Like, once we have done that, we've trespassed on their land, you don't bring up them doing it to improve that. | ||
| That would be Native Americanophobia. | ||
| Yes, it's not our place. | ||
| It's not our place. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| See, this is the whole thing. | ||
| It's all bollocks. | ||
| And this whole relativism, it pisses me off. | ||
| And it really actually makes me angry. | ||
| And none of them will ever listen to the counter-arguments. | ||
| It's really annoying. | ||
| And so it's just like, no, nobody's got any respect for you. | ||
| When you turn around and say, but what about the Crusades? | ||
| I mean, what about her is the dumbest damn thing anyway? | ||
| Because you're never addressing the point. | ||
| It's like, yeah, you didn't even give a context. | ||
| We're talking about Islam, basically. | ||
| They, for some reason, think that Christianity is as bad as Islam. | ||
| It's like, no, it's not. | ||
| I mean, like, the Crusades were distinctly un-Christian. | ||
| I spoke to a historian Tom Holland about this. | ||
| And I was like, look, how did they come to the conclusion that they should have a crusade? | ||
| And he was like, well, they didn't get it from Christianity. | ||
| And the Orthodox patriarch in Constantinople was just completely against the idea because there's nothing in the Bible that justifies it, you know, in the New Testament. | ||
| You know, Jesus was a man of peace. | ||
| He turns the cheek. | ||
| He lets his enemies strike him. | ||
| So you can't pick up a sword and say, I'm going to kill someone for Jesus. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| But isn't it just what happens? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| When people have massive amounts of power, and then it went weird with the Aztecs. | ||
| It goes weird with everybody. | ||
| It was entirely temporal. | ||
| It was about conquering the Middle East. | ||
| But it was also about making sure that they could get to Jerusalem. | ||
| It's like an ideological thing. | ||
| Because the Turks were basically preventing pilgrims from getting to Jerusalem. | ||
| Muslims had owned Jerusalem for like 400 years. | ||
| And everything was okay because the pilgrims could travel along a pilgrim trail. | ||
| And people made money doing this. | ||
| They'd sell things. | ||
| And then the Turks came in and were like, hey, we're Muslims and fuck everyone because we're the Turks. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| The pilgrims couldn't go to Jerusalem. | ||
| And Pope, I think it was Innocent II or Urban II. | ||
| I never remember which one it was. | ||
| Whichever the Pope was, he turned around and said, hey, I could create a spiritual kingdom or an empire, an empire of faith on earth. | ||
| And he's like, why don't you all, rather than fighting each other in Europe, I mean, Europeans were not very advanced, but they were very, very warlike. | ||
| And why don't you just go to the Middle East? | ||
| And they did. | ||
| And the Crusade was actually, I mean, it's a real thrilling thing to read about now. | ||
| You know, you see, like, historical films, like, all the time. | ||
| It's always the Roman Empire. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Just every historical fucking film. | ||
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Right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And it's just like, look, no, someone needs to do a film about the First Crusade because the First Crusade is one of the most thrilling things you can ever read about. | ||
| It's just the most, it's insane what these men did. | ||
| You know, marching. | ||
| I mean, they marched like a thousand miles from northern Europe and just they marched through and just did so much stuff. | ||
| Like, the Pope first calls a crusade and it goes kind of wrong for him because everyone's, like, the emperor in Constantinople, the Byzantine Emperor in Constantinople, he says to the Pope, look, do me a favor, I'm getting thrashed by the Turks. | ||
| I need about 4,000 knights, professional soldiers, good fighters, so I can beat them back. | ||
| And the Pope's like, hey, great idea. | ||
| Why don't we all go over there and beat up the Turks for Christianity? | ||
| And loads of peasants were like, oh, that's a good idea. | ||
| And so like 70,000 peasants, led by Peter the Hermit, turn up on the Emperor's doorstep. | ||
| And he's like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| You know, why have you sent me the scum of Europe to come and fight the Turks? | ||
| So he just gets them across into Anatolia and they go on and they just get massacred by the Turks, absolutely butchered. | ||
| And then the Crusading armies actually arrive. | ||
| Peter the Hermit actually manages to survive. | ||
| But then the Crusading armies arrive, and the Turks think, well, this will be fine. | ||
| And the Emperor's like, shit, look at all these really... | ||
| Gets them across and they end up smashing the Turks. | ||
| The Turks are just expecting another bunch of pezzas. | ||
| And they're not expecting what they call the men of iron, which couldn't be broken. | ||
| And that's why they both fight in Paris. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Spain. | ||
| Wherever the fuck they are. | ||
| But it's a really interesting thing. | ||
| And no one ever talks about it. | ||
| Well, the history of human beings is fascinating. | ||
| What we have learned and how long it's taken us to get to this point. | ||
| The regressive left will always talk to you like this is like a one-sided, oh, the Christians just bully them out of the blue one day. | ||
| It's like, no, there was an established order. | ||
| There were things going on. | ||
| There was a really detailed political landscape. | ||
| And you get someone like Jimmy Dory who goes, well, there's nothing worth in crusades. | ||
| Just shut up. | ||
| Just, you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Just be quiet. | ||
| All right, fella. | ||
| Glad you got that off your chest. | ||
| I'm angry. | ||
| I've had that on my chest for a long time. | ||
| Listen, we did an extra hour past. | ||
| We thought I could do. | ||
| It's two now. | ||
| This is when your flight. | ||
| So let's get you another flight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And thank you, brother. | ||
| I really appreciate you coming on, man. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It was very fun. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| It was fun talking. | ||
| It's nice that I can bitch some people out who need to be bitched out. | ||
| He definitely did that. | ||
| He definitely did that. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow with Crystalia. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| Do you say a COD or a CAD? | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| I've only seen it written. | ||
| I've never heard it said. | ||
| He was a lot of fun, though. | ||
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| All right, my guest tomorrow is my friend Chris Dahlia, hilarious stand-up comedian, regular at the comedy store. | ||
| Hang with him all the time. | ||
| And he's got a new Netflix special coming out. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So that should be fun. | ||
| That's tomorrow. | ||
| Josh Barnett, former UFC heavyweight champion and a very wise man, very interesting and Renaissance man himself. | ||
| We'll be here on Wednesday and more. | ||
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| Until then, bye. |
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