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May 26, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #966 - Tom Papa
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joe rogan
01:40:57
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tom papa
01:13:58
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jamie vernon
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tom papa
Go to the Jersey Shore.
unidentified
Three, two, one...
joe rogan
The great Tom Papa will be at the Jersey Shore this weekend.
Do you ever get do gigs down there?
tom papa
With flip flops.
joe rogan
And a metal detector.
tom papa
And a metal detector.
joe rogan
Do you know anybody's ever scored with a metal detector?
tom papa
No.
I mean, scored like found like a bottle cap.
joe rogan
Yeah, like a Civil War belt buckle or some shit.
tom papa
Never.
Never.
I had one when I was a kid.
unidentified
Did you?
tom papa
Because I used to go to the Jersey Shore.
It was orange.
And I would get it.
And no earphones or anything.
I would just walk out on the beach with it.
Never found anything.
joe rogan
What's the earphones?
Did they tell you when the frequency is different?
It has a different sound?
tom papa
Yeah, you're just going along.
joe rogan
So it's just like the frequency of the beeps?
tom papa
Yeah, it's like hot, hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter.
Burning hot, you're there.
joe rogan
How good do those things work?
I've never looked into metal detectors.
tom papa
I don't know.
But you know, like...
If you take that to the Appalachian Trail or where the Civil War went down and that kind of stuff, you'd find stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, I guarantee you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guarantee you.
See, what is the most sophisticated current I just looked this up.
jamie vernon
This guy just found something a couple weeks ago.
unidentified
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
jamie vernon
Two million dollars worth of Viking gold.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Oh, who's laughing now?
joe rogan
It's two million pounds.
What is that?
Is that four million dollars?
tom papa
That's like 20 bucks.
joe rogan
Is that four million?
Is it double?
jamie vernon
It's like one and a half to two times.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Viking treasure hoard.
joe rogan
What has he got in that photo?
Oh, that's his metal detector.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's a janky-looking metal detector, too.
Looks like it's all duct taped together and shit.
tom papa
It's like he's been using it a long time.
joe rogan
And this dude found millions of dollars in Viking finds.
tom papa
That's pretty great.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
tom papa
I found nothing.
I found, like, a bottle cap, and it's exciting.
Like, when you hear it, it's like...
joe rogan
Look at all the shit he found.
Look at that vase.
tom papa
Look at that ring.
That's cool.
That's like the Hobbit ring.
jamie vernon
Wow.
tom papa
10th century gold ring.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Isn't that cool that the ring was...
unidentified
That's insane.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
A 10th century gold ring.
tom papa
That's pretty great.
joe rogan
Somebody wore that.
tom papa
You just gotta walk in the right places.
I'm in the Jersey Shore, you know what I mean?
There wasn't...
jamie vernon
My dad lives in Florida on the Treasure Coast, they call it, which is like the Atlantic, mid-Atlantic, or halfway up and down Florida.
So like every time there's hurricanes, the people are always out on the beach looking for stuff because shit gets washed up off the bottom.
A bunch of treasure chests or wrecks like in the Bermuda Triangle.
tom papa
So like the pirate treasure gets wiped up onto the beach.
joe rogan
There's something about finding that, though.
Like if you went to a museum and you saw a ring from the 9th century, Or the 10th century, whatever it is.
You'd probably be like, wow, that's incredible.
But if you fucking found it in the dirt and you picked it up, and it's maybe likely, I mean, there's at least a possibility the last person that touched it was the person that died there.
tom papa
Huge.
joe rogan
Huge possibility.
tom papa
Huge.
I mean, how great would that, the feeling would have been amazing.
unidentified
Fuck.
tom papa
Fuck, it's crazy.
Did you ever find a fossil?
Did you ever find a fossil when you were a kid walking around?
joe rogan
Not really.
I found an arrowhead, though.
unidentified
That's the same thing.
joe rogan
Legit arrowhead.
tom papa
Porn shoot?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, excited.
joe rogan
Yes, it was in Nevada, bow hunting, and I found an arrowhead.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And I lost it.
unidentified
It's so sad.
tom papa
That's terrible.
unidentified
So sad.
joe rogan
I think you're actually supposed to leave them there.
So it's probably karma.
But I'm like, leave it here.
This is a trail.
Anybody's gonna find it.
This is stupid.
Like, if you want me to bring it to a museum or something, that's one thing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But just say, just leave it there?
Fuck off.
tom papa
Yeah, someone else is gonna come take it.
joe rogan
No one's gonna leave it there.
tom papa
Did I ever tell you the story of my brother-in-law who uses metal detector?
And his friends, married couple, I think newly married, went hiking in the Grand Tetons and she lost her ring.
She lost her engagement ring.
He was going out there like a month from then and he went out and he took his metal detector and he hiked along the same trail and he comes back to New Jersey and his buddies in the bar and he just sits down next to him at the bar and tosses the ring on the bar.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
tom papa
Found it.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
tom papa
Hiking, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, what are the odds?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, of all the steps she could have taken?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All the places she could have gone?
tom papa
I mean, they probably told her what trail that he, you know, they took or whatever.
joe rogan
But still, the whole trail?
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Can you imagine someone telling you I lost my wedding ring on this trail?
unidentified
Somewhere.
joe rogan
Please go find it.
What the fuck are you talking about?
That's gone.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
The great move is not calling and saying, holy shit, I found it.
Just showing up at your local bar and just ding.
joe rogan
That's pretty gangster.
tom papa
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
joe rogan
What is the state-of-the-art consumer model metal detector?
Maybe I should have a metal detector dude come on here and talk to me about what the fuck they do.
tom papa
That would be cool.
joe rogan
Because I guess it's got to be exciting, right?
Especially places like the beach where stuff washes up.
tom papa
Yeah.
Do you have to wear sandals when you do it?
joe rogan
You must.
You must have a certain body odor, too.
Like a mildewy, bittery, sort of a soury, milky.
tom papa
You smell a little like ham.
joe rogan
The Garrett Ace.
Is this supposed to be the shit?
tom papa
Ooh, yeah, look how it popped up pretty high.
That goes on your forearm, right?
That weight.
joe rogan
So for $340, you could find 2 million pounds worth of Viking stuff.
Look at that thing.
tom papa
It's cheap.
joe rogan
Is that the best one?
See if there's like some fucking Cadillac of metal detectors.
jamie vernon
They have a pro model.
tom papa
Ooh, what's the pro model?
unidentified
Look, it comes with a pro.
jamie vernon
Waterproof.
joe rogan
Well, ever since I went pro, things changed.
Gold waterproof.
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Oh, you went pro?
joe rogan
I went pro, bro.
You know, after the Viking gold thing, I'm like, obviously, I'm blessed.
tom papa
Oh, totally, dude.
Totally.
But what does that mean?
Do you have a sponsor?
joe rogan
Yo, bro, I'm pro.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Making money off of a fighting ship.
jamie vernon
You can take it under a river.
joe rogan
You can take it underwater.
Whoa, that's deep.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's actually pretty badass.
tom papa
You know what, though?
It's not all that badass.
There's something corny about it.
unidentified
Even the best ones, it's still like, yeah.
joe rogan
It's definitely like, it's in the fanny pack realm, which I endorse, but it's like, what?
What are you doing here?
tom papa
Exactly.
joe rogan
What are you giving up?
Oh, this one's $799.
jamie vernon
Oh, it's $8,000.
unidentified
Oh, is it?
tom papa
$8,000?
joe rogan
$8,000.
Oh, there you go.
Gold Nugget Metal Detector.
A mine lab.
tom papa
It's a mine lab GPZ. Go up into Northern California where all the gold mines were.
That'd be cool.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's a move, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So how does that fucking thing work?
Because that works different that only picks up gold?
tom papa
You said it on gold.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this other one had, like, on the top of the meter, it has specific for, like, gold, iron, silver.
joe rogan
Oh, it gives you different readings?
jamie vernon
Yeah, and then this thing's called a pinpointer, whatever that is.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
tom papa
I'm only interested in gold.
joe rogan
See, I guarantee you this is one of those things that there's a fucking rabbit hole, and you start with this, and next thing you know, you're getting Miner Magazine in the mail.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're subscribing to these websites where people go on these metal detector runs.
tom papa
Your wife comes into the den and you have a miner's helmet with a light on it.
Aren't you coming to bed?
In a minute, honey.
joe rogan
For real, like what?
jamie vernon
Then you find out about a treasure somewhere and you go investigate.
But I can find it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, have you ever seen those documentaries on those guys that are professional shipwreck hunters?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Dude, there's real crazy money in that.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
And if they know where a Viking ship went down or a Roman ship went down, they know where they're pretty sure that there's some gold.
There's been several times that they have...
Let's find out, actually, what the biggest bounty was.
Let's take a guess.
tom papa
Well, you've got to figure the technology's probably just improved, right, in, like, the last 30 years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Right?
tom papa
It has made such a jump.
So why...
It's probably a good time to do it.
People have been probably trying to search, but...
Couldn't go down too deep?
joe rogan
Well, they're really good at it now.
But it's also, the ocean is fucking huge.
So if you find something, the odds of somebody else finding it, without you telling them about it, without somebody leaking some information, so it's really touch and go.
And these guys invest a shitload of money.
So they have the divers, who are these people that are usually the people that are knowledgeable, but they don't really have the funds, and then they meet somebody, and that guy funds it.
And it's super squirrely.
Like, who gets the money, and how much do you get?
tom papa
And his brother's like a coke dealer, right?
joe rogan
Someone's got a gun.
tom papa
Someone's got a gun.
joe rogan
Her girlfriend's too tan.
Everything's just super confusing.
tom papa
She's really friendly.
Why is she being so nice to me?
joe rogan
Does she want to fuck?
This is going to be murder-suicide.
This is all going to go down.
Yeah, I watched this one, and these guys had found, I want to say it was more than $100 million in gold.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That they had found at the bottom of the ocean, but I might be making that up.
jamie vernon
I'll let you guess on this one.
This is a really good one I found.
tom papa
Their operations have to be really...
joe rogan
What, the most?
jamie vernon
The discovery of the San Jose shipwreck in Colombia in 2015. How much?
joe rogan
Okay, let me guess.
jamie vernon
Yeah, guess first.
It's really high.
It's really, really high.
unidentified
San Jose.
joe rogan
You shouldn't have done that.
Dude, you shouldn't have done that.
I would have come in low.
tom papa
San Jose.
joe rogan
I was going to say $2.4 billion.
jamie vernon
That's a lot.
tom papa
I'm going to say $1.8 billion.
I never would have said billion, by the way, if you didn't say that.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
1.8.
joe rogan
Okay.
What did I say?
2 point something?
tom papa
2.4.
joe rogan
17 billion!
tom papa
What?!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
The discovery of the San Jose shipwreck has all the elements of a great drama, international political intrigue, a treasure of gold and emeralds worth up to $17 billion, and now accusations of lies and treachery.
tom papa
Everyone always forgets about emeralds.
Everyone forgets about emeralds.
joe rogan
I sleep on emeralds.
I sleep on them all the time.
I never take them seriously.
Why is that?
unidentified
Clink, clink, clink, clink.
joe rogan
Nobody's like, yo, look at my emeralds, bitch.
That's not even the best rock you could get.
Isn't that weird?
tom papa
Yeah, emeralds.
Why emeralds?
joe rogan
And they're only for women.
tom papa
They're just shiny.
joe rogan
Everything other than diamonds are for dudes, and diamonds aren't really for dudes.
tom papa
They're not for dudes, are they for dudes?
joe rogan
No, they're all for women mostly, but a guy can wear some diamonds, like rappers wear diamonds, it looks fly.
tom papa
Yeah, but it's sparkly.
Girls like sparkles.
joe rogan
Right, but rappers can't wear rubies.
Right?
tom papa
A nice ruby.
Yo, check out my ruby.
joe rogan
Right?
Am I right, Jamie?
They can?
Someone's wearing rubies?
tom papa
Why are you eyeballing my ruby, yo?
joe rogan
Of course they are.
What about emeralds?
Can they wear emeralds?
I bet Conor McGregor would wear the fuck out of some emeralds.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Being all Irish and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Just a big...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Irish assassin?
Yeah, you could wear like a chest plate made out of emeralds.
tom papa
Are you looking at my emeralds?
joe rogan
And if you're wearing turquoise and you're not Native American, I got questions.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
If you're really into turquoise and silver, slow down, buddy.
Are you really from New Mexico?
tom papa
Show me your artwork.
Show me that you're really kicking ass with some Indian artwork because it's not...
joe rogan
Show me the guy on the horse.
I know you have it, you fuck.
tom papa
Let me see the dream catchers you're selling.
unidentified
No!
The dream catchers!
joe rogan
Not the dream catcher!
tom papa
You man with a turquoise bracelet.
joe rogan
Oh man, yeah.
tom papa
There was a place called the Silver Man when I was in school.
It was in New Jersey near my high school.
And when I was first getting into girls, that's where I would go to buy jewelry to give to my girlfriend.
And I remember being there like, I wonder if I could wear some of this myself.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
tom papa
The silver man.
joe rogan
I remember there was a movie, there was this great wrestling movie called Vision Quest with Matthew Modine.
And his friend on the show was this Native American kid who turned out to not really be Native American.
Turned out that that was like his big hustle in the movie was that he was telling everybody he was Native American, talking about you going on a Vision Quest and your spirit journey and all this stuff.
I don't know what he was.
I don't remember.
But I remember that in the movie.
Yeah, that dude right there.
That dude turned out to not really be Native American.
That was just bullshit.
tom papa
Well, bad on you, Matthew Modine, for thinking that was Native American.
joe rogan
Hey, he looks Native American.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looks like a badass.
tom papa
He looks more like Culture Club.
joe rogan
No, he looks like an Indian, man.
Come on.
tom papa
Oh, that's the guy from Sixteen Candles.
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Same guy?
tom papa
Yeah, the guy who Molly Ringwald really loved.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
tom papa
Yeah, remember that one?
joe rogan
You know too much about those movies.
tom papa
It was the 80s.
I wanted to be that guy because he was like the cool guy, but he was so cool he didn't hang out with the cool people.
And then Molly Ringwald fell in love with him.
joe rogan
That is the movie that wrestlers watch for inspiration.
tom papa
Vision Quest.
joe rogan
Vision Quest.
That is the movie.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is an amazing movie.
tom papa
Is it really good?
joe rogan
Oh, it probably sucks today.
You should probably go back and watch it today.
It's probably like Altered States.
tom papa
A lot of synthesizer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've recommended Altered States to people, and then I went back and watched it myself, and I had to come back on the air and go, okay, stop.
tom papa
Oh, really?
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Sorry what I did to you people.
I saw I robbed you of an hour and a half of your life.
tom papa
I remember thinking it was cool.
joe rogan
It was in the day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it was really cool.
It was really cool when the movie came out.
I loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But movies are just different now.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless you see, like, The Godfather.
The Godfather 100% holds up.
tom papa
Totally.
joe rogan
Or The Shining.
The Shining 100% holds up.
tom papa
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
tom papa
Caddyshack.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Caddyshack is fantastic.
tom papa
Back to school.
unidentified
Blues Brothers.
joe rogan
Blues Brothers.
Back to school.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come on.
tom papa
So that means that maybe Alter States wasn't that great in the first place.
joe rogan
Well, it was different, and it got by a lot on the different.
It was an intriguing story.
The whole thing was crazy.
You have this brilliant doctor and this beautiful girlfriend.
Was she a scientist, too, I think?
tom papa
I don't remember.
joe rogan
And so he takes this shamanic drug and it changes him.
He morphs back into a monkey and he breaks into the zoo and kills things.
tom papa
Right, that's right.
I remember he was with blood on his face.
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed something in the zoo.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
The movie was based, not really, but based or I should say inspired by a guy named John Lilly who made The Isolation Tank.
tom papa
There was an isolation tank in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's actually how I found out about this movie.
And in the movie, he actually goes through several generations of Lily's isolation tanks in sort of an homage.
Like he starts out floating with the head gear on, where it's like a scuba tank helmet on.
That's the beginning of the movie and in the end of the movie, he's lying down.
See, that's how Lily did it in the beginning.
In the beginning, Lily had it set up where there was literally like a tube connected to his asshole so he could shit and piss into the water and it would be filtered out so he never had to leave the water.
tom papa
Wow.
That would be good for road trips.
joe rogan
He would, uh, Lily would do it with ketamine.
He would shoot up ketamine, which is like a cat tranquilizer.
tom papa
I'm not really claustrophobic, but that looks claustrophobic.
joe rogan
It's not.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
With the thing on your head?
I've never done that one.
I've never done that one.
The one I've done is later in the movie, as his character evolves and as the plot evolves, later in the movie he has a more modern version of the isolation tank where he's laying flat.
And they don't ever mention that he figured out a better version or anything like that.
They just kind of put it in there.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Which is pretty fascinating.
tom papa
It's pretty cool.
So he really was into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, see the top one?
Okay, I guess the top one is the tube.
He's coming out of the top of the tube.
But there was another one where he laid flat.
tom papa
What's the actor's name again?
joe rogan
That was William Hurt, right?
tom papa
William Hurt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He was cool.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
tom papa
Remember him in Broadcast News?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
He was so good.
joe rogan
He's been in a bunch of great movies.
tom papa
Yeah.
He just came back recently in something.
I forget what it was.
joe rogan
But that John Lilly guy who made that tank was a legitimate, brilliant scientist who would take all kinds of shit.
He would experiment all the time.
He was a pioneer in interspecies communication research with dolphins.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
I don't know if you ever heard this story, but the woman who was doing the research, she was living with a young male dolphin, and she lived in this place that was like waist high in water.
So she would walk through the water to get to her furniture, to get to where she would cook, and the dolphin lived with her and swam around with her.
tom papa
Wait, wait, so she'd be up to her waist in the hallways and then she'd come up to a platform to cook or something?
joe rogan
She had some setup where she lived with this dolphin.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
They lived in this tank.
tom papa
I've never heard of this.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And when she did it, they were working on these ideas that they had.
To try to get dolphins to recreate human words.
But the dolphins, even if they're as intelligent as we are, which they might be, who knows, they don't have the ability to make the sounds that we make, because they don't have lips.
tom papa
They have a big fat tongue.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have a weird way of making noises.
Yeah, so the dolphin came super close to saying, hello.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Came really close to it.
It's kind of weird when you hear it, too.
tom papa
There was a movie done where they were talking to the dolphins, and it was like...
joe rogan
Yeah, she had a sexual relationship.
You're pulling that up.
I was going to get to that, Jamie.
unidentified
Sorry.
Ma loves pa.
tom papa
Do you remember that movie?
joe rogan
Yes.
This is why they canceled it.
Uh oh.
It says a woman in a waterproof house.
In 1964, a woman lived in a waterproof house with a dolphin called Peter, tried to teach him English and had a sexual relationship with him.
tom papa
Oh my.
joe rogan
Sort of.
She would jerk him off because he would get super horny and that's all he would want to do is fuck and he was confusing and it was interfering with the research.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So she didn't think there was anything wrong with jerking off this dolphin.
tom papa
Nah, I don't either.
joe rogan
Look, there's nothing wrong with it.
tom papa
Hey.
joe rogan
It's like...
tom papa
They live together.
joe rogan
Why are we so weird about sexual pleasure?
Like, what the fuck is that, man?
We're so weird.
tom papa
It is a weird...
It's very complicated.
It's the driving force of all of us.
joe rogan
And it's...
tom papa
You know, it's...
It's, uh...
Bented and twisted and it's pure and it's nice and it's...
It's a weird thing.
joe rogan
Right, but...
If you have a friend...
Like, I had a friend who used to jerk off his dog with his foot.
unidentified
Ah!
tom papa
Who doesn't have that friend?
joe rogan
I go, for real?
You touch your foot?
He goes, I had my sock on.
And I said, what did you do?
He goes, his fucking dog's horny.
So I put my foot on his dick and I rubbed it back and forth and he came all over his stomach.
I was, seriously?
tom papa
Oh no.
unidentified
He goes, yeah.
joe rogan
He felt better.
And I go, you know what, man?
I think it's me.
I don't think it's you.
I think it's me.
I think it's me with the stupid problem in my head about it.
tom papa
The dog likes it.
joe rogan
How come you can scratch behind the dog's ears where he can't reach and that's okay?
How come you can't rub his dick?
Have you ever touched your dog's dick accidentally when you're rubbing his belly?
tom papa
My dog has a vagina.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
And I've never touched it.
joe rogan
Never accidentally?
tom papa
Well, no, I don't think so.
joe rogan
I've touched my dog's dick a hundred times and he's only five months old.
tom papa
Well, it's flying all over the place.
Mine's only nine months old and she's in the vet right now, actually.
I got a call.
I left in a...
It could have been a snake.
Could it have been a snake?
That's the text.
unidentified
Oh, did she get bit?
tom papa
She's just looking swollen.
Yes.
She's looking puffy and swollen.
joe rogan
This is rattlesnake season.
This happens all the time.
What kind of dog do you have?
tom papa
A lab?
Black lab?
joe rogan
Very possible she got bit.
My dog's been bit many times.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, the two dogs that had been bit are dead now.
But one dog got bit, and I took him to the vet, and I knew he got bit.
He didn't swell up yet.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And I took him to the vet.
He was so excited because he'd killed the rattlesnake.
He was all fired up.
tom papa
Did you know he had killed the rattlesnake?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
It was a disaster.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, once it bit him, he was like, fuck you.
He just tore this thing apart.
Nice.
That was Frank Sinatra.
That was my dog named Frank.
tom papa
What a great dog.
That's awesome.
joe rogan
But he wasn't swollen when I brought him to the vet.
And when I got him home, he started swelling up.
So like a half hour later, it started swelling up.
And then it just gets to these cartoonish proportions with half their faces hanging off.
tom papa
Yeah.
She was just acting a little weird this morning.
And we have a yard.
I don't know.
Maybe something got into the backyard.
I don't know.
But all of a sudden, her eye was a little puffy.
And I said to my wife, look at her eyes.
Is she looking a little weird?
And she's like, I think she's having a reaction.
So we brought her into the vet on my way here and they rushed her right in and they're like, good thing you got here early and they're going to work on her.
So I don't know what's up.
But we're trying to figure, can they get sick from eating raccoon feces?
You ever hear that?
joe rogan
I would not imagine it would be good for you.
tom papa
I know, because we had a trainer that was like, she's not eating that, is she?
I'm like, no, is that a big deal?
I mean, she eats everything.
She's like a goat.
Yeah.
I'm like, that's the only thing I could think of, because I couldn't...
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely got to be something in that.
I mean, raccoons have to have parasites.
They're wild animals.
tom papa
Yeah, it's got to have, like, some weird...
joe rogan
Well, they're wild animals, too, and they eat animals.
So as soon as an animal's eating other animals, that's when shit gets weird.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, if a wild animal, like, you could eat a deer raw.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And there'd be no problem at all.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, the real problem is animals that eat animals.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
I mean, because the deer doesn't eat animals.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
So you're okay.
joe rogan
The deer could get a parasite.
And deers have gotten worms before.
I've heard of people that got deers that had worms.
No, no, no.
And Lyme disease.
That's just the ticks.
Cause severe inflammatory reactions.
tom papa
Yeah, that's not really it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's got a specific roundworm in the record.
tom papa
Severe inflammatory?
Oh, maybe.
joe rogan
Will migrate to other organs, including the brain.
tom papa
Oh, jeez.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Well, I've had dogs that had worms before that were coming out of their butt.
Like, they'd poop, and as they were walking away, you would see worms literally crawling out of their butt, and you're like, oh, okay.
tom papa
And you're like, I should have whacked you off when we had the chance.
joe rogan
You would be so confused.
tom papa
Let me put on a sock.
Get over here, Sinatra.
joe rogan
Yeah, parasitic relationships.
It's like when you think about how many dogs have worms.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is like one of the number one things you got to do with your dog.
Get it dewormed.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know.
It happens so often.
tom papa
Oh, so often.
joe rogan
Just eating shit.
tom papa
They eat everything.
Everything.
joe rogan
My dog ate a magnet.
You know how they have those magnets where you stack magnets on top like kids play with them?
tom papa
Those are strong.
joe rogan
It's a fucking thick-ass heavy magnet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I found it in his shit.
tom papa
Oh, I'm surprised it came out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it came out.
It came right out.
I mean, a dog's intestinal tract is made out of barbed wire.
You know, things just go right through.
tom papa
It's so gross.
joe rogan
It's so disgusting.
tom papa
He shits and all of a sudden a metal roller skate comes up to the shed and just starts rolling up.
Ting!
unidentified
He's the nastiest dog I've ever had.
joe rogan
In terms of eating his own shit.
tom papa
This new one?
joe rogan
Yeah, he tries to eat his own shit.
When he doesn't anymore, he's stopped.
But I'm sure he has, like, recently.
But for the most part, he does.
tom papa
It's weird.
joe rogan
He leaves it alone.
But when he was a puppy, like when I had just got him, he was a few weeks old.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would take his shit and literally trying to bite the shit as it's coming out of his ass.
He'd be turning.
He would have to, like, grab him to keep him from eating this shit as it was coming out of his ass.
tom papa
He thought it was like a Mr. Softie machine.
joe rogan
It was so disturbing.
tom papa
I can't believe it comes right out of my ass.
unidentified
It was so disturbing.
joe rogan
It's like, look, man, I love you, but you've got to stop doing this.
tom papa
Why, Joe?
Get a cone.
Get a cone.
Come on.
joe rogan
But the good thing is it made me really diligent about scooping poop up in the yard.
I had to dive on that.
You've got to get it up quick.
tom papa
Quick.
joe rogan
So we bought a special trash can.
My other dogs know where to shit.
tom papa
We're going through the same thing.
We're going through the same thing.
How old is this?
joe rogan
He's a baby.
He's five months old.
tom papa
Yeah, we're nine months.
joe rogan
Yeah, babies.
Is this one that's in the hospital a baby?
tom papa
Yeah, nine months.
Yeah, I hope she's okay.
She comes home with mystery shit on her head.
Like, where did you even get this?
Just walks in all happy to see you with a big blob of shit on her head.
joe rogan
I killed a rattlesnake a month ago.
tom papa
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It's on a walkway.
Like, right where I was walking.
I was like, fuck this.
tom papa
By your house?
joe rogan
Yeah, by a friend's house, actually.
tom papa
How'd you kill it?
joe rogan
Stomped on it.
tom papa
Just went up and stomped?
Didn't it try to bite you?
joe rogan
No, I got to it before it got to me.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It wasn't a big rattlesnake, but it's dead.
tom papa
What kind of shoe wear were you wearing?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
tom papa
It'd be a nice boot.
joe rogan
It was definitely not a wise move.
tom papa
No!
joe rogan
No.
It was just something in me that said, first of all, my friend would want me to kill this.
He doesn't want a fucking rattlesnake in his yard where his kids live.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And second of all, I think I could do it right now.
It was one of those things.
I think this snake is slipping on me.
tom papa
He's not looking.
joe rogan
He doesn't know.
Because most people are not going to just stomp your fucking head if you're a rattlesnake.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I was like, that is the move right now.
Just try that.
tom papa
Yeah, the rattlesnake's instinct is humans run from me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Some people tell you you're not supposed to do it.
And I understand what they're saying.
I would not want all the rattlesnakes to die.
I'm not a rattlesnake hater.
But I have rules.
And if you get into my house, if you're a snake and you're in my house, I'm going to fucking kill you for sure.
tom papa
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
And it's not my house, but it was in front of my friend's house, and he has kids.
That's a dead snake.
tom papa
Yeah, kill that snake.
I personally would not have done it.
joe rogan
But it was a garter snake?
It was like, I've seen those, I don't bother them.
tom papa
No, what, are they gonna gum you to death?
joe rogan
No, but this guy also has little dogs, too.
Those dogs get jacked.
tom papa
Maybe she got bit by a snake.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, easily.
Easily could have happened.
I bet three dogs bit by rattlesnakes in California.
tom papa
Yeah, they're all over.
I almost got bit by one.
I was hiking down a little trail.
I might have said this last time.
I was walking down a trail, and my wife was behind me.
And it was a narrow part.
And I just came around a corner, and the thing just went...
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
tom papa
Struck right at me.
And I just backed off.
I just ran right past my wife.
She's like, why are we running?
And I came back, and I was pissed off at the edge of the trail in this little bush.
And I just threw rocks at it and ran past it.
joe rogan
God, I could have got you.
tom papa
Totally.
Now that's the thing.
And I'm still not clear on it.
We're two miles up in the mountain.
They say you're not supposed to move.
Or else you'll get it pumping through your system.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Do you make a tourniquet?
tom papa
I don't know.
I don't know.
I should have learned since then, but the idea that my wife would have carried me out doesn't make sense.
That she would go for help is kind of tough.
You know, two-mile hike down the mountain and back.
joe rogan
They make snake-proof boots.
You should look into them.
Maybe snakes like you.
Maybe you're one of those people that people like mosquitoes.
Mosquitoes like people.
Yeah.
I could be right next to him and get bit by all the mosquitoes.
tom papa
Everywhere I go, there's rattlesnakes.
These aren't bothering you guys.
joe rogan
These are all the bread you cook.
unidentified
They just smell good.
tom papa
Oh, I brought you bread.
joe rogan
Oh, thank you.
tom papa
Now, I know you don't really eat it, and I don't want to mess with your avocado and elk thing.
joe rogan
I eat it occasionally.
tom papa
But look at the bag that I have.
unidentified
Okay.
tom papa
I have these bags now.
joe rogan
Paper bags.
tom papa
This is how much they are perfectly shaped for these bread.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
It does look really good.
tom papa
Just came out this morning.
Look at that beautiful.
joe rogan
That smells amazing.
tom papa
Yeah.
This is art.
joe rogan
You're doing art.
tom papa
Even if you don't want to eat it, give it to your family.
joe rogan
I'll eat a piece of that for sure.
tom papa
A little butter.
joe rogan
I'll give it to the family tonight.
tom papa
I've perfected my method since I was here last.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
You know what's really intense?
unidentified
What?
tom papa
With that bread?
Did you ever hear of a gentleman's breakfast?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
Comes from England, London.
joe rogan
Is it like blood sausage or something?
tom papa
Not as intense.
You take butter at night, let it soften on the counter, chop up garlic and anchovies.
Mix it all together into the butter.
Put it in the fridge.
In the morning, you toast some of that delicious sourdough bread.
A thick layer of that butter on it with some eggs on the side.
It's called a gentleman's breakfast.
Wow.
I like it.
There's something about first thing in the morning, garlic, anchovy, butter.
joe rogan
It's dangerous.
tom papa
Oh, it's so good.
joe rogan
It's a bold choice.
You don't give a fuck about your breath.
tom papa
No, you don't want to be near people.
You don't want to be near people for a good day.
joe rogan
You might have just eradicated your morning breath, brushed your teeth, and then you got down with this.
tom papa
It sounds nasty, but I'm telling you, it is the most delicious thing I've ever had.
joe rogan
Sounds amazing.
I want to do it tonight.
Amazing.
Anchovies, garlic, and what else?
tom papa
Garlic, anchovies, and butter.
joe rogan
That's it?
Just those three things?
tom papa
Let it soften.
Mix it all together.
Chop up the anchovies and the garlic really fine.
Throw it all in there.
joe rogan
Do you know what will ruin you?
If you get real anchovies.
Like you ever get a real anchovy, like fresh anchovies like in Italy?
tom papa
No.
I mean, maybe in a dish of something, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I've gotten fresh anchovies and fresh sardines.
Fresh sardines.
unidentified
Fresh sardines.
joe rogan
Amazing.
tom papa
Sicily.
joe rogan
Amazing.
You go, wait a minute, this is what a sardine tastes like?
tom papa
It's not all covered in...
joe rogan
Goo?
tom papa
Thick paint-like oil.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mustard.
tom papa
Yeah.
So fresh anchovies.
I've never...
Ooh, that would make the gentleman's breakfast even better.
joe rogan
I bet it would.
Yeah, like when you get like a really good Caesar salad at a really good restaurant, they do it by the table.
The real old school.
tom papa
The man with the tuxedo.
unidentified
Yeah.
Chook, chook, chook.
tom papa
And it takes like 10 minutes.
He's there working on that thing in front of you.
joe rogan
That'd be like, yeah, that's a real old school move, right?
Like it's a Musso and Franks type thing.
tom papa
That's right.
Yeah.
Oh, I love Musso and Franks.
joe rogan
Is that place 100 years old?
tom papa
It's the oldest restaurant in LA. Yeah, I think it's 100 years old.
I think you're right.
joe rogan
I think it's like 1915 or something like that.
tom papa
Yeah.
You get a martini in that place, it's just perfect.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know what they're doing.
It's all old school stuff.
Old school steaks.
tom papa
They put it in a tiny glass instead of these giant glasses like they use now.
It's a smaller glass.
And then they give you the extra...
In ice on the side of your glass.
Oh, those guys.
Any place that has a 70-year-old guy waiting on you in a uniform.
joe rogan
Look at that steak.
tom papa
Yeah, that guy, then you know you're in good shape.
Let's go there.
joe rogan
Come on.
tom papa
Let's go for steaks there one night.
joe rogan
We should go for dinner.
tom papa
We should.
joe rogan
We should.
We should go before the store.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, go for steaks.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Get a bunch of guys together.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I didn't even let a girl come.
unidentified
Eh.
tom papa
No, the problem is girls don't really like it there.
I've taken girls there.
My wife included.
They're not that into it.
They don't like an old man's pickle fingers giving you your meat.
Something about that turns the ladies off.
joe rogan
It's funny.
Those places that still have that kind of...
You can't fake that in a mall.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
You couldn't have a new Musso and Frank's.
tom papa
Yeah, there's like, what's the Raos in New York?
It's like five tables.
It's hard to get into.
It's like where Joe Torre eats with Derek Jeter and Giuliani.
joe rogan
Is this the inside?
This is Muson Franks?
tom papa
That's Musa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God, that looks awesome.
tom papa
That looks so good.
I've sat at that bar with a couple friends.
I've sat in that booth, like the curved booth at the back with my wife and a friend.
joe rogan
What's that one steakhouse in New York where they hang pipes from the ceiling?
Is it called Keen's?
What is it called?
tom papa
Keen's.
The clay pipes.
joe rogan
Is that the name of it?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Am I saying the right name?
tom papa
Keen's.
joe rogan
K-E-A-N-E. Phenomenal.
Steakhouse.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And for some reason, like back in the day, like famous people would bring their pipe and they would hang the pipe on the wall.
tom papa
They would give you a pipe.
They would give you a clay pipe and they have pipes that from everyone that smoked them there, Einstein, Patton, Roosevelt, all of these people, and the place is covered with it.
And then I roll in there for the first time in 2001, when the smoking ban has gone into effect, and you're not allowed to smoke a pipe in this legendary place!
I felt so...
joe rogan
Cheated?
tom papa
Cheated!
Like when I went through puberty and AIDS showed up.
You know what I mean?
It's like, why us?
Why can't I smoke and put my pipe next to Albert Einstein's?
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was like 16 or 17, if I remember correctly, they raised the drinking age to 21. It used to be 18. Yeah.
tom papa
Is that right?
joe rogan
Is that right?
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
18 to 21. I want to say I just missed it.
tom papa
We did just miss it.
joe rogan
Wow, look at these.
tom papa
Babe Ruth.
joe rogan
Babe Ruth's pipe.
tom papa
Pee-wee Herman.
joe rogan
Now, let me- What?
Different kind of pipe.
Wow.
Theodore Roosevelt's pipe?
unidentified
Holy shit.
tom papa
Look at that.
And then we roll in there and we're not allowed.
Come on.
joe rogan
I know.
unidentified
That's kind of weak.
tom papa
I understand cleaning up the city and stopping people from having cancer.
Buffalo Bill's pipe.
One night.
Buffalo Bills pipe!
unidentified
Buffalo Bills pipe.
tom papa
They have a beautiful nude behind the bar too.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom papa
This huge painting.
unidentified
Keens?
tom papa
Yeah, Keens.
It's a beautiful painting of this beautiful nude.
joe rogan
Look at that one ceiling.
That one ceiling where you see all the pipes, Jamie.
unidentified
Look at that.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tom papa
Yeah, shouldn't Joe Rogan's pipe be up there?
joe rogan
Nah, we'd be faking it.
I've only been there twice.
tom papa
I know, but...
joe rogan
I've only smoked a pipe once on this show.
tom papa
I like a nice pipe once in a while.
joe rogan
What happened to pipe smoking?
Where'd it go?
tom papa
I don't know because they're so much more pleasant to people that are around you.
Like a cigar drives everyone out of the room.
I love cigars.
joe rogan
I like cigars.
tom papa
But they're rude.
But you smoke a pipe, the ladies aren't as offended.
joe rogan
Why is that?
tom papa
Because it's more aromatic.
It's perfumey.
joe rogan
It's a gentleman's craft.
tom papa
I have a pipe in my little pencil case.
joe rogan
You have a pipe right here, bro.
tom papa
I just take it out.
I don't smoke it.
I just walk around with it.
joe rogan
I'm going to pack one in right now.
tom papa
Good for you.
joe rogan
Look at these guys with their pipes.
tom papa
They're long pipes.
joe rogan
No weed, huh?
tom papa
Why can't we be like that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
What happened to us?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
We've become a bunch of babies.
tom papa
Such babies.
joe rogan
Worried about cancer.
tom papa
I understand trying to help people with the cancer and all that, but not at that one place.
Can't Keene still smoke?
joe rogan
There should be places that you could go that are like a club.
tom papa
I go to the Soho Cigar Bar when I'm in New York.
That's a nice little spot.
I've smoked there with Chappelle and Alan Havy, Robert Kelly.
It's a great hang.
You go and you sit like gentlemen.
joe rogan
Like gentlemen.
tom papa
Like gentlemen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
And you just discuss your life and you meditate after the day.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It's a beautiful thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You could do that in a cigar bar.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a place that I go.
You could order food and you could smoke cigars.
tom papa
It's great.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It's a good restaurant, too.
tom papa
That smells good.
joe rogan
It does smell good, right?
Thank you, Steven Crowder, for the lovely pipe and tobacco.
tom papa
Problem with the pipe is you gotta keep it going.
Now could you, whenever you see at the improv and stuff, that picture of Jay Leno with his pipe?
In the old days when he was playing the improv like we are, he would smoke, he would carry his pipe around.
Could someone pull that off?
Could somebody do that today?
joe rogan
You'd have to do a lot of drugs.
You'd have to be like that Hunter S. Thompson guy that does so much drugs who lets you have a cigarette holder.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Remember when Hunter S. Thompson used to rock a cigarette holder?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody else rocked a cigarette holder.
tom papa
With Dunhill's in the end.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He did it because he was just so far out there that everybody was like, it's fine.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's real.
tom papa
I guess you'd have to have really kick-ass material.
You couldn't be hacky with a pipe.
joe rogan
Yeah, Chris Rock would rock a pipe.
tom papa
Yeah, if you have killer material, you could do whatever you want.
joe rogan
I would like Chris Rock, now that he's divorced, to go on stage with one of those Hugh Hefner velour jackets on.
A velvet, right?
A velvet jacket on.
tom papa
A smoking jacket.
joe rogan
With a smoking pipe.
tom papa
I have one of those.
joe rogan
Do you?
tom papa
Yeah, it's a red from Brooks Brothers.
joe rogan
Nice.
tom papa
Nice smoking jacket.
Deep pockets, like you put all your pipes and your...
Lighters in it.
Hot as hell though.
joe rogan
Do you walk around your house like in your underwear with a robe on ever?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you?
tom papa
Closed, but yeah.
I wear a robe.
Closed.
It's all girls in my place.
It's weird to...
joe rogan
At what age is it inappropriate for your kids to see your dick?
tom papa
I would say...
Legit question.
For boys, no age.
unidentified
For girls.
tom papa
For girls, I'm going to say like three, four.
Like three.
Four's are pretty.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
They would climb into the shower and point and laugh.
joe rogan
So after that, you don't even let them look at it?
They can't see it?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
What if you climb out of the shower and they're right there?
Do you hide?
tom papa
Yeah, like when I come out of the shower, I've got to walk down this little hallway and that door is sometimes open and it's towards my daughter's rooms.
And I'm really conscious of...
And it's such a weird...
I catch myself a lot.
I'm totally naked, but as long as I put everything in my palm of my hand, that would be okay if they happened to catch me.
joe rogan
Dude, my seven-year-old stands in front of the shower door, points at my dick, and laughs.
tom papa
At seven?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
My youngest is hilarious.
She's really funny, man.
She's just like, all she wants to do is go for the laugh, like, all the time.
She's constantly just going for the laugh.
And that's her thing, is that she's, like, really silly.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so, like, she's, like, really silly at school.
She's really silly at home.
tom papa
That's my little one.
joe rogan
She just loves having fun.
tom papa
Yeah.
Good student.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's real good.
She's a great kid.
It's just really interesting to see kids grow up without the same kind of financial pressure that I grew up with, or that probably you grew up with too, or not the same kind of weirdness in the house.
tom papa
Yeah, it's dad.
It's when dad's not freaking out.
joe rogan
That too, and also, I just think people know more about people now.
I think our parents didn't even have a chance.
tom papa
No.
They didn't even understand themselves, let alone understand time with you and what was going to make you feel good.
joe rogan
And most likely they were crazy young.
Like, how old were your parents?
tom papa
Yeah, 20. Yeah.
joe rogan
My mom was 20 or 20. Well, she was 20 when she got pregnant and 21 when she had me.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If I can go back and think about when I was 20, if somebody told me I had to raise a kid at 20. Yeah.
Oh my God.
I'd have a grown-up psychopath right now that I'd be trying to manage.
Dude, I'm sorry.
I got the whole thing wrong.
I don't know how we can redo this.
tom papa
I think about that sometimes.
I let my parents off the hook all the time now, just in my memories, because when my dad said that to me, he was 28. You know what I mean?
He had no idea.
joe rogan
And he was 28 before the internet.
I think 28 today is way more knowledgeable.
I mean, there's pockets of flat earthers and shit out there that ruin that curve, but other than that, 28 today is way more knowledgeable, I think, than 28 of 20 years ago.
tom papa
And yet, so much more immature.
joe rogan
Maybe in some ways, but I think that's generalizing.
I mean, I think it's really hard to say people today, because you're talking about so many people.
You're talking about 350 million people.
tom papa
Yeah, but, you know, the idea that people were, like, men and women were raising families, doing all their hard work, doing all that, like, very adult stuff.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
There's an adolescence now that's extended until you're, like, mid-30s.
joe rogan
That's true.
tom papa
You know what I mean?
It's like...
They may not be as intelligent because they didn't have as much knowledge and stuff, but they were grown-ups.
There was a distinction, like, I'm doing grown-up shit now.
joe rogan
Do you think that's almost like an evolutionary course?
Like, life gets easier, and then people learn more about stuff, but they don't have the same sort of physical resolve that people did back in the old days where they had to work harder?
tom papa
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
I mean, it's kind of like the two kind of go together.
It almost seems like there's a direction that people are moving into.
tom papa
Yeah, and think about it.
Back then, people were dying at 60, 70. Now, if you're living to 100, why shouldn't your 20s be a little more adolescent?
Because you're going to live so much longer.
joe rogan
Well, apparently, the live longer thing, a big part of what the live longer thing is, they reduced a lot of infant mortality.
And a lot of it is like the average of how people die.
It's also infections when you're younger and all sorts of things before medical science.
But the actual age that people live to hasn't really changed as much as people think.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought it did too.
But what it really is, didn't Chris Ryan explain that to us?
I believe it was Dr. Chris Ryan, PhD, author of Sex at Dawn.
Good friend.
I know him well.
But I believe he was the one who educated us on that, that what's going on is that you're counting in infant mortality.
It used to be like if people got an infection, like a blood infection before antibiotics, guess what?
You're dead.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
You get septic, guess what?
You're dead.
tom papa
Yeah.
Tetanus?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're dead.
Rabies, you're dead.
tom papa
Snakebite?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're dead.
Everybody's dead.
tom papa
Yeah, but aren't people living like...
There's more like...
90-year-old people, aren't there?
joe rogan
I would like to find that out.
Let's find out, Jim.
tom papa
It also is probably cultural.
When I was in Africa, I was talking to a guy who was 50, and he was acting like he was at the end of his life.
Just matter-of-factly, just stoically, he's like, I don't have much time, you know.
And for people in the Maasai, they don't live that long.
joe rogan
Yeah, because lions live around fucking lions.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're 50 and you haven't been eaten yet, you're like, holy shit.
What a great run I've gone on.
The gods have smiled upon me.
tom papa
I will continue.
joe rogan
Cecil has not taken my life.
jamie vernon
This is March of 2016. It said for the first time in human history, I guess, people who are 65 and older will surpass those under 5. So there'll be more people that are older than there are that are younger.
joe rogan
So people are staying alive, but are they living longer?
You know what I'm saying?
tom papa
Is that the same?
joe rogan
No, they're not living longer to like 100 years old, but there's more people that are alive that are 65. So it's like people are staying alive, but are they living longer?
Like what is the long age that people live?
Like if you don't die of something, if you just die of old age, what is that number?
And has that number moved?
tom papa
Yeah, I think that number...
joe rogan
Isn't that funny that we just fixate on that?
When do I die?
tom papa
It's heavy, man.
joe rogan
When's the end of the movie, man?
You ever watch Netflix and you accidentally hit the remote and you see there's 48 minutes left and you're like, fuck, now I know.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
I could have just been locked into this movie enjoying it for what it is.
Now I'm saying, okay, 48 minutes.
I kind of have to pee.
Should I hold it?
unidentified
Should I pause?
tom papa
And sometimes you feel shitty about yourself when you check.
You're like, I'm really enjoying this.
Why do I have to know?
joe rogan
Because we're retarded.
I feel bad sometimes if I check my phone and there's nothing on it.
I'm like, why did I even do that?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you just obsessively look at your phone and see if you got a text, why?
tom papa
It's the worst.
This phone thing is such a life suck.
joe rogan
It is.
Sometimes.
But again, it's also something that just needs to be managed.
Because it's a major connection to news.
You know what's fucked up, man?
I get the Time Magazine alerts.
And I get New York Times alerts.
tom papa
I don't have the alerts.
I'll have the swipe left and see it.
joe rogan
I have alerts for certain breaking news things.
And for days, it was just Trump.
So every time my phone would vibrate...
I take a deep breath.
I'm like, please don't tell me we're at war.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
I'm like, look at my phone.
Please don't tell me he dropped a nuke.
Please don't tell me some new Russia shit has gone down.
Every day it's some new Russia shit.
tom papa
Every day.
It was so rapid fire.
Like those last two weeks before he took off on his vacation or his world tour...
It was non-stop.
joe rogan
There's something that was just revealed that's really interesting that James Comey has said that he ended the Hillary Clinton investigation early because there was some evidence that was introduced against her that was clearly counterfeit and from Russia.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so he didn't want that evidence to leak.
tom papa
Excuse me.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
tom papa
I know.
Well, that's what I heard.
I heard some congressman on Face the Nation say that.
He said, this is what is going to get scary about all these leaks and stuff.
He goes, they're taking...
The information from, the emails from people, say like, you know, the emails from the DNC or whatever, and they're leaving 99% of it perfect, and they put just one little line in that says something that's heinous or says something about somebody doing something torrid or something, and they put that out.
That's more dangerous than just, in the old days, you're just trying to like launch some big story.
Now they just bury this one little item in this huge dump of information.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
How do you sift through that?
joe rogan
How do you?
tom papa
Yeah, I don't know if you do.
joe rogan
When you read something and it's been leaked to WikiLeaks, how do they know that it hasn't been altered?
Exactly.
Is that something that they do checks on?
Do you know?
Find that out.
tom papa
Well, that's what the Comey thing, but it took a long time.
In the initial dump, it was like, they're just going through it and, what's this?
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
But it takes a long time to sift through it and see if that's really a true story or not.
The truth is like bubble gum right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That would be an amazing feat if they could verify 100% the veracity of these emails that are being leaked.
They could probably verify the sources.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But whether or not they could verify that this hasn't been altered in any way, I don't know.
Maybe we just don't understand the technology.
Maybe they can do that.
tom papa
They'll probably get there.
I mean, they've got to be working on it.
joe rogan
What the fuck, though?
tom papa
That's my whole philosophy with everything in life right now.
Someone's working on that, right?
joe rogan
Well, it is so crazy.
tom papa
Where's the nuclear waste going to go?
Someone's working on that.
joe rogan
Well, they have been working on that.
They're trying to figure out a way to use it for fuel.
tom papa
That would be cool.
joe rogan
They think they can do it, too.
They think we're, you know, who knows how long away from using all of our nuclear waste as fuel.
tom papa
For like a rocket ship?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They were talking about making batteries with it out of diamonds.
Remember that?
They were talking about using nuclear radiation from nuclear waste to charge diamonds as batteries.
tom papa
That's some Star Trek stuff.
joe rogan
I know, it sounds like total horseshit.
tom papa
Where you have like this one little orb of stuff.
joe rogan
I needed a second Jamie.
A standby Jamie.
jamie vernon
It seems like they can't actually confirm authenticity of the stuff they're getting.
joe rogan
They can't.
So when WikiLeaks gets an email, they can't necessarily guarantee the veracity.
tom papa
But then they did at some point.
They couldn't with the Hillary stuff in the beginning, but now Comey's...
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Well, Comey's saying that one thing seemed to be counterfeit.
So one thing being counterfeit is like, okay, how do you know?
They're not going to release how they know yet.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's a whole crazy bunch of shit going to go on with him and this investigation against Trump.
tom papa
Yeah, it's big stuff.
unidentified
It's weird.
tom papa
Big time stuff.
joe rogan
It's weird.
tom papa
I don't know how weird it is.
I mean, I really feel like Trump was running.
He didn't know he was going to win.
They were just like...
You know, he's still a businessman.
They're dealing with Russia and they're dealing with all this stuff.
They weren't thinking, like, politicians, like, this might look bad one day.
Then, holy shit, he gets through and the momentum carries and now he's the guy.
And it's like, oh, so Manafort probably shouldn't have made that deal with them.
You know what I mean?
Like, all this other...
He kind of got caught up because he just wasn't...
He was a businessman.
He was doing that stuff.
joe rogan
But he definitely wanted to win, you know?
You don't think he expected to win?
tom papa
I don't think he expected to win.
No, he's still talking about it like, holy shit, I won!
He says it every time you ask him a question, you'll be like, so what do you think about palm trees?
Should we save those?
I don't know, but you know, it's really hard for a Republican to win the Electoral College, but I did it.
Did you see the map?
I just put up a map in my office about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but isn't that just because he likes to congratulate himself?
tom papa
Partially, but he's also a little in awe.
joe rogan
Boy, I don't see it that way.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
I see him as extremely self-congratulatory.
That's a part of his whole shtick.
Like when he talks about a television show, he'll say how it's number one because he watches it.
tom papa
Right.
All the ratings.
Did you see him shove the guy out of the way?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck was that about?
tom papa
It's him, man.
joe rogan
He pushed the guy out of the way and then straightened his jacket like a guy in a movie.
tom papa
And when he pushed him out of the way, he grit his teeth like, get the fuck out of here.
Wow.
He's so nuts.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
Who was the guy he pushed out of the way?
tom papa
Weird.
He's the leader of Montenegro, who's just coming into the European Union.
So he's there like, this is my first time with the whole EU. This is my first time being here.
And they're coming out for a photo and Trump shoves him out of the way.
And they're like, straightens this thing like, I'm alright.
joe rogan
The glowing counter-terrorism.
The counter-terrorism globe.
jamie vernon
Have you seen the photo from the other angle?
Like, which shows what they're looking at?
joe rogan
Like, all the desks and the crazy CL? No, but it's just, the fucking picture's preposterous.
That's everything that every conspirator...
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That's everything every conspiracy theorist is fucking terrified about.
tom papa
You're right.
joe rogan
There's a dude behind him who's dressed in traditional Arab garb.
tom papa
Yeah, the Saudi guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Saudi guy who's probably worth a trillion dollars.
He's touching the globe.
The other guy, where's he from?
With his perfect suit and his Iranian face.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looks like a Middle Eastern gentleman also.
He's touching that globe.
Then Trump with his expensive suit on, his crazy hair, he's touching that globe.
tom papa
And the light coming up from underneath like a scary camp story.
joe rogan
This is a fucking movie, man.
This is a movie.
They're holding on to a globe at the same time and it's glowing.
tom papa
It's so weird.
joe rogan
This is a comic book.
tom papa
I know, it really is.
joe rogan
It's a comic book.
This is a scene in Star Wars.
What the fuck is that?
That's so crazy.
Why do that?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you think Obama would hold onto that globe?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Do you think Obama would be like, hold on, what are we doing?
tom papa
Yeah, right here.
joe rogan
The globe, it's glowing.
Okay.
What does that represent?
tom papa
I think we're going to pass on the globe.
joe rogan
Why is it glowing?
Do we have an explanation for this?
tom papa
Exactly.
Can we take this?
Let's take a picture by the fountain instead.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
It's all of it.
This is so odd.
tom papa
It's so odd.
It's a big oil grab.
joe rogan
Now I understand why dudes are out there with the fucking metal detector, man.
Simplify life.
Just looking for shiny rocks and metal and shit.
tom papa
Joe, I am telling you, this bread obsession of mine is...
If things are going well, I'm probably not making as much bread.
But to just go in simply and just be making bread with the news off and just put on some Bob Marley and just go and make bread and give it to my friends and family, it's a calming thing in these chaotic times.
And I'm not...
You know, it's corny.
I'm not trying to be corny.
But I really believe that back to basic, it seems like people are just like, let's just simplify things.
This is out of whack.
joe rogan
Totally.
tom papa
Let me just.
joe rogan
Well, bread is a task, right?
You know, you've got your ingredients, you know what to do, and if you do all the things that you're supposed to do, it'll come out this delicious, amazing food that you can eat.
tom papa
Yeah, and yet it's elusive.
You have to tend to it.
joe rogan
It's a craft.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You have to learn it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So this task, it becomes this thing that your mind is fixated on, and you can fill your consciousness with the nuances of this task and not think about all the bullshit, like these fucking weirdos grabbing globes.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
Making weird oil deals all over the place.
joe rogan
What was the other question that we were asking about when I was trying to double jam you?
tom papa
Montenegro.
jamie vernon
Well, the death, the average age of death.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Which I didn't really get to yet.
78.8 is what it hasn't changed from.
tom papa
78.8 for men?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I think that's still based off of that infant mortality thing added into it.
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's always added into it.
jamie vernon
This is just like right out of like a James Bond.
joe rogan
Totally.
This is like X-Men.
tom papa
That's like Star Wars.
Like you expect Darth Vader to like be at the end of that and the guy comes in after to give the report on what happened.
joe rogan
Seriously, though, could you imagine being Trump, a guy who used to host a reality show on NBC? Yeah.
He's a successful businessman.
You know, he's a well-known guy.
But, I mean, how much of that is a ramp up between you or I or a lot of people that we know that are famous?
How much of his, like, Jerry Seinfeld.
Is Donald Trump a ramp up in popularity over Jerry Seinfeld?
I guess he is now that he's the president, but when Jerry was on TV and Trump was on, they're kind of commensurate.
You could see, like, Jerry Seinfeld being president, is what my point is.
tom papa
Sure.
Ronald Reagan.
joe rogan
Go back to that original picture that we were just looking at just a couple frames ago.
Now go and think of a guy like this.
Go full screen on this fucking thing.
Imagine Jerry Seinfeld and all of a sudden Seinfeld gets invited to this League of Nations thing that looks like a superhero comic book scene in one of those movies.
I mean there's a goddamn picture of the earth that's a light that's on the wall.
All the light on the floor is blue.
There's little spotlights everywhere.
It's all freaky and clean and perfect.
There's these little screens in front of every chair.
Like, what the fuck is this?
This is where all the world's decisions get made?
tom papa
Yeah.
It looks like the, uh, what's the Peter Sellers movie with the bomb?
joe rogan
Dr. Strangelove?
tom papa
It looks like Dr. Strangelove.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom papa
It looks like Dr. Strangelove.
joe rogan
Well, just, I mean, why would we expect them to make more sense than us?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing about world leaders.
Like, they're just people.
And they're people that have an extraordinary amount of power with not nearly as much oversight.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
In most countries, right?
In most of these, like, Middle Eastern countries and most of these, I mean, they don't really have to fucking tell people what they're doing.
They do whatever the hell they want.
tom papa
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
In a lot of these places that we have relationships with, they have crazy human rights violations.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, look, you have to deal with good and bad.
You can't really...
joe rogan
I know, but look at that, man.
Imagine someone like Seinfeld there.
Imagine if he won.
Like, what if Seinfeld became president?
He's like, this is crazy.
tom papa
What is this globe?
joe rogan
What are we doing with this thing on the wall?
I can't find my translator.
Trump is...
I mean, we always think of politicians the same way I used to think about celebrities before I met a few of them.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You meet him and you go, oh, that's just a dude.
He's just a dude.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He's just a guy.
tom papa
Yeah, just a guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It just so happens that they become famous.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's kind of the same way with politicians.
We've always thought of people...
That's one of the reasons why we've almost allowed them a certain amount of leeway when it comes to insincerity and getting caught in corruption and lies.
There's a certain amount, like, she's a politician.
He's a senator.
This is what they do.
tom papa
You let it slide.
joe rogan
Yeah, you let a little bit of it slide.
But if it was a friend that was doing that, you'd have serious problems with them.
tom papa
Yeah.
But look, things have to be a little dirty because you're dealing with everybody.
You're dealing with everybody.
There's so many interests.
That's what a politician is.
It's a compromise.
It's playing both sides.
It's trying to get stuff done.
I think we've gone to this...
This absurd point of misinterpreting good for flawless.
You know what I mean?
There could be good people who have a lot of dirty stuff going on.
No one's flawless.
The idea that, based on the internet, we're able to get all information on everybody all the time.
We can't hold people to a standard of being flawless.
It doesn't exist.
But I think you can be good while still making some, you know, if you set that parameter, that bar, you're never going to have people that are good enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're going to have these weirdos that have insane egos, because those are the only ones that are willing to take the punishment of being criticized the way Trump's taking it right now.
He's taking it in a way that no one's ever taken it before.
You could say he deserves it.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not making a judgment call.
I'm saying it is absolutely fascinating the way the media and the way people online are treating this president of the United States.
It may be justified.
I'm not arguing that it's not.
What I'm saying though is it's a very unique moment in time where you see so many people attacking the president.
tom papa
Well, it's such a rush.
You know, you could say, I was having a discussion with my teenage daughter about navigating online stuff and seeing what people are doing, and it's almost like the president is going through the same thing that you're going through as a comedian that teenage girls are going through.
This is a flood of information and access and attacks and praise and everything from everybody all the time, 24 hours a day.
So the same way we have to navigate with haters and all that kind of stuff, the same way kids do, the president has to deal with a flood that's never been This raging before.
I mean, it is an intense, intense thing.
And it almost is like, who else but somebody built for television is ready for this job at this time?
joe rogan
And maybe not even him.
But what I was saying is that politicians were always like, a thing not like you or I. But then all of a sudden they are a thing like you or I, because now it's Trump.
And he might not be like the average person, but he's like you or I. I almost did his show.
When I was doing the re-version, the new version of Fear Factor, they invited me to do it.
And I thought about it for a while, but I would have had to live in New York for a few months, and I was like, I don't want to do that.
tom papa
The new Fear Factor that's coming out?
joe rogan
The old one.
tom papa
Oh, the old one.
joe rogan
Like in 2011 or whatever the hell it was when we redid it again.
Yep.
tom papa
And you would have been with him.
joe rogan
I could have been hanging out with him.
You know what I'm saying?
tom papa
He came on the marriage ref.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I sat with him on the marriage ref.
We hung out backstage.
The first thing he said when he walked into the dressing room was, we're going to get great ratings tonight.
We're going to get great ratings.
He was so focused.
And he was impressive.
He was tall.
He was a dominant guy in the room.
And then I'm sitting on stage with him, and we're all talking about married couples.
It was like you would show real people, and then you'd discuss their marital problems, and the celebrities would weigh in.
And the whole time he's right next to me, and the whole time he's making jokes about the girl's breasts.
He's just like, you know, nothing really...
joe rogan
Just being funny.
tom papa
He was being funny.
And he would be like, well, you know, she's got something going for her.
And then he would look at me and give me a little wink on the side.
And it wasn't for the cameras.
It was just for me.
And it felt kind of creepy.
But it's like he was just a dude.
joe rogan
He's a charmer.
tom papa
He's sitting there with me in equal footing.
And now he's the president of the United States.
Think about how powerful.
There's not one human being I don't believe in the country that doesn't have the word Trump go through their brain, whether they say it out loud or not.
joe rogan
All day.
tom papa
Or at least a couple times a day.
You know what I mean?
It's so insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's initial disbelief, then there's an aftershock, and now there is a waiting for the next shoe to drop.
tom papa
Every day.
joe rogan
Everybody's just sitting around waiting for the newest scandal.
tom papa
Every day.
joe rogan
Waiting for the impeachment, waiting for the lawsuits, waiting for the jail.
tom papa
You just want calm.
I mean, you know, you have a great joke when you've been working on about this isn't a job for one person.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Right?
This really should be a committee of people running this country.
It's too much for somebody.
And I love the joke.
But I think that what his job is, what that president's job is more than anything, is to just lead people.
He has power.
All those people in those positions, they have power.
And what they say and what they do affects people.
Not policy, just the Reagan-esque world.
joe rogan
How they carry themselves.
tom papa
Carry themselves.
Make you feel good about the direction.
And right now, everybody's...
Filled with anxiety because he's not doing that part of the job well.
joe rogan
Well, he still goes on Twitter and calls people losers.
tom papa
And you're like, wait, it's like a kid, like you were saying before, it's like a kid hearing, like having a dad be batshit crazy in the house.
The house is going to be crazy.
If dad is shooting heroin and he's laying on the couch and he's covered in Cheetos and he's yelling at the wife, the whole house is going to be freaked out.
That's what's going on.
joe rogan
But is that the price that we have to pay to realize that our system is ridiculous?
Is there any...
tom papa
The throwing the card table up and...
joe rogan
Is there any value in that thought?
I mean, other than the real issues with the environment, the rolling back the standards on the EPA and all the different things he's doing that freak people out.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Dakota Access Pipeline, which I don't understand enough to know whether or not they were going to restart that anyway.
I know Obama shut it down, right?
And then Trump brought it back up again.
Who knows if they had made some sort of an agreement?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who knows how that works?
Who knows if they...
You know how that business is very dirty.
It's very dirty.
tom papa
Totally.
I mean, you could make a case that all of this is a big oil grab, right?
joe rogan
Well, the Dakota Pipeline stuff is terrifying.
tom papa
Dakota Pipeline stuff, the head of the EPA is an oil guy, the Secretary of State is an Exxon guy, the people he favors more than our European allies are Saudi Arabia and Russia, big oil.
Business partners.
You could say, this is just business.
joe rogan
As usual.
tom papa
Right.
And the thing is, and this is what's so complex about it, it's...
Okay, so maybe it's an oil grab and he's getting his friends rich, but oil also is so much more than just what's coming out of our cars.
We are so deep in oil, it's not...
My main thing is the planet and its beauty and trying to sustain it.
I'm a complete believer in climate change and all of that.
But to naively say we can just shut down oil and be like, we can all just move along, it's so much deeper than that.
My nephew just graduated from school, and he's a big agro-farming guy.
That's what he wants to do with his whole life.
His revelation was that oil and food are so interconnected.
All of the fertilizer that's creating all of the food that we're eating every day is oil-based.
He said, so you're trying to separate emissions and all this stuff, but just the food that we eat is so tied to oil.
We need oil.
So I don't know how you fix that and how you try and make good policy about it.
joe rogan
Well, there are alternatives to fossil fuel-based oils that they use to make plastics.
I know that.
I know they can even make plastic out of hemp.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's biodegradable.
And they've just started to make these biodegradable natural fiber plastic bags that are made out of plant plastic.
tom papa
Yeah, like in the supermarket.
If you put your vegetables in those, they're supposed to...
joe rogan
Well, when they go into the environment, they'll actually biodegrade.
They will become dirt again.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
As opposed to a regular plastic bag, which probably takes like a fucking 100,000 years or something.
Then birds eat it and die and choke on the plastic caps.
But apparently you can make plastic out of hemp.
And it's super easy to make in terms of, like, it regrows itself very quickly.
Like, if you have a forest and you're trying to make paper, like, you know, you're trying to make paper out of a, you know, you have a forest timber that you chop down specifically for paper.
To regrow it to the point where you could grow paper again could take years.
I don't know how many years, but many years.
Whereas hemp regrows itself every year.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Every year, yeah.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
What is this right here, Jamie?
jamie vernon
This is edible plastic made out of milk protein.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
jamie vernon
That's a reason for food packaging.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
Not vegan.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
jamie vernon
But I mean, they're packaging dairy products and whatnot with it, at least is what the video shows.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
jamie vernon
I just saw this video two days ago.
joe rogan
Well, that's certainly something that can be worked on.
The idea of biodegradable plastics would be huge.
That's one of the scariest things is...
That we started making waste and never had a plan to do anything with the waste, and then it stacked up to the point where we're dealing with enormous amounts of waste being put out by human beings every single second of every single day.
unidentified
Huge!
tom papa
I was in New York last week, just working the Comedy Cellar all week, and every night I left the club, just on McDougal Street, just between 3rd and Bleecker, The amount of garbage that's thrown out of these restaurants and these juice places and coffee places stacked waist high all the way down the street every single day.
joe rogan
You see rats darting in and out of them.
tom papa
Oh, tons of rats.
Tons of rats.
They're creepy.
joe rogan
Yeah, we are a weird creature, man.
tom papa
There's so many of us.
joe rogan
And we're not really thinking about that.
Like, you think about how many, like, on an average day, how many water bottles do you come across in LA? It's the worst.
Jesus Christ, there's like ten of them here in this room.
tom papa
I know, I feel guilty drinking it.
joe rogan
I got gas this morning, I threw a bunch out of my car, I threw them into the garbage.
unidentified
Gas?
joe rogan
When I got gas, you know, I threw it at the garbage can at the gas station.
I was like, look how many fucking water bottles I have in my car.
tom papa
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Think about how many times someone had to make plastic and how many bottles of plastic are being made and then that plastic has to be in a landfill somewhere.
tom papa
Or floating in the ocean, that giant island in the ocean.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That big plastic bottle island.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh, it's terrible.
joe rogan
Apparently it's not quite an island.
They call it an island, but it's really just like a floating patch.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But it's disgusting.
tom papa
It's horrible.
joe rogan
It's really bad.
Some kids figured out a way to fix that.
tom papa
There's so many people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Just, I mean, there's so many of us.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom papa
Like, I'm all for farm-to-table and, like, knowing where your meat comes from.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
I get it.
I want to do it.
I'm trying, you know...
But when you think about how many people are looking for lunch at the same time, all those mouths looking to feed, I mean...
You need like a McDonald's.
Somebody's got to feed these people.
You know what I mean?
In a cheap way.
joe rogan
There's definitely an issue, for sure.
I don't know if you need a McDonald's.
tom papa
But you need something.
joe rogan
You need food, and there's 20-plus million people in this area that aren't growing anything other than the occasional pot plant.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Maybe a fern.
I have a fern in my kitchen.
tom papa
I'm growing my own basil.
I'm growing my own peppers.
joe rogan
I mean, who the fuck do you know that grows enough to live off of?
tom papa
I know.
You can't do it.
You can't do it unless you live on a farm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nobody's growing enough food to live off.
tom papa
I mean, just the people you see on the 405. I mean, just feed those people.
You know what it is to have on this great Memorial Day weekend?
If you're going to have some people over and have a little barbecue...
You bring ten people over, you gotta get some food.
This is some serious amount of food you need to feed ten people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Billions of people!
joe rogan
And then they want to eat again in an hour.
tom papa
Yeah.
And they want chips.
joe rogan
Do you have chips?
Do you have any soda?
What kind of soda do you have?
tom papa
Taking dumps in your bathroom.
joe rogan
Filling up your fucking pipes with their shit.
tom papa
Think about how much shit is going through.
joe rogan
They're eating on the bowl.
Chewing on a rib and taking a dump.
tom papa
Think how much shit is going through under the city every minute.
joe rogan
The comedy store has a bathroom.
There's a new bathroom they just put in.
tom papa
Oh yeah, I saw that fancy.
joe rogan
It backed up last night.
tom papa
Oh no.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have old pipes in a new bathroom.
I don't know what they did, if they replaced the pipes, but something went wrong.
tom papa
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
And I walked by the bathroom last night and was like, what the fuck is that smell?
tom papa
Oh, no.
unidentified
It's terrible.
joe rogan
There's something about the smell of shit outside of the water that is just so repulsive.
tom papa
It's so gross.
Back to the dog thing.
We were talking about our dogs rolling in shit and stuff.
My cousin's dog the other day...
They had people coming to paint the house.
And my cousin's wife told them, hey, listen, you can use our bathroom.
Don't worry about going, you know, you don't have to go outside.
Our bathroom is your bathroom.
But they didn't really speak English.
They didn't really listen to her.
And some guy took a dump in the bushes.
The dog...
Rolled around and it came running inside and she's like, oh my god.
How did you get human shit on your head?
joe rogan
How did she know it was human shit?
tom papa
It smelled different.
And then they went outside and looked and they're like, you guys, use our bathroom.
Oh, we're so sorry.
joe rogan
Oh no.
Oh my god, there's shit in the yard.
tom papa
And the dog is so happy.
Look what I found!
These guys are great!
Have you seen these guys outside?
They're so great!
unidentified
Why does a dog want to roll in shit?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
What is that?
tom papa
I don't know.
unidentified
What possesses it to think that that's a good move?
tom papa
They're just so happy.
Oh man, I guess I'll roll in this.
No one's gonna throw a ball?
I'll roll in this.
joe rogan
God damn.
tom papa
Look what I found!
Have you met these guys?
They're awesome!
unidentified
Their shit smells terrific.
joe rogan
Oh, so terrible.
Ari Shapiro apparently smeared his own shit on his face during a podcast.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They were talking about it.
One of their podcasts they did, he went to the bathroom, and I guess he didn't do a good job of wiping, and then he reached back and felt his butt and then smeared it on his face like war paint.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
They got taken off YouTube for that.
I can't find that.
I'm weird.
joe rogan
I would have felt like YouTube would get behind that with all their advertising money.
tom papa
Yeah.
Oh, that's terrible.
Just wear a big shit on yourself.
unidentified
He boiled his brain out there in Thailand.
joe rogan
He's out there in fucking Vietnam in the hot sun for too long.
tom papa
Yeah, every time he comes back, he's a little different.
joe rogan
He's living a very unique life, that fella.
tom papa
He is.
God bless him.
Is he off the cell phone now, even though he's here?
joe rogan
No, he'll text you.
You know, you can text him.
tom papa
You can?
joe rogan
Yeah, he texts.
He has one of those flip phones that you can text with.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like flip sideways and it's got like a keyboard.
He'll send you a text.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can't like send...
If you send him a picture, he has to forward it to his email.
tom papa
Oh, good.
He's got to go to a...
joe rogan
Check it on his computer.
tom papa
He's got to go to a library.
And they won't let him in because he's got shit on his face.
joe rogan
You're the guy.
Shit face.
tom papa
Shit face.
You get out of my library.
unidentified
Poor Ari.
tom papa
It's so funny.
joe rogan
That guy went away for four months, man.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Just vanished for four months without talking to anybody.
tom papa
And then he shows up and it's like, oh, it's time to tape this TV show again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's not a bad move.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I guarantee you he's got some crazy stories.
There's no way he doesn't.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's probably out there making stories happen, too.
Like, knowing that he's going to need some stories.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It's true.
I know.
joe rogan
I mean, his whole show is a story.
tom papa
It's all stories.
He needs it.
joe rogan
His show's one of the best shows on Comedy Central.
tom papa
It is.
It's really good.
joe rogan
I really hope Comedy Central never cancels that thing.
tom papa
It's really good.
joe rogan
One of the best shows on Comedy Central.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It's one of the best stand-up shows there is.
tom papa
It really is good.
And I did it twice.
And I get more hits off of that than I do stand-up sets.
joe rogan
Well, it's just different.
tom papa
Yeah, they just like seeing it.
joe rogan
Because it's stories.
You're talking about stories.
And it's also different because guys like Henry Rollins did it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's not even necessarily a comic, but he's a great storyteller.
So he'll do this stand-up comedy storytelling show and just tell his stories.
tom papa
And the setting's really cool.
It looks good, like in that strip club.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Have you ever been to that strip club outside of...
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
I want to go there one day when he's not filming the show.
tom papa
Just to go hang?
joe rogan
Just to feel what it's like when you really see it.
tom papa
Yeah, that would be cool.
joe rogan
What is that place really like?
We're seeing a side of it that's not real.
tom papa
No, you're seeing Atlantic City in the daytime.
unidentified
It's like...
tom papa
This is very different than what happens when the sun goes down.
joe rogan
Atlantic City in the daytime is dark.
tom papa
Oof, yeah.
joe rogan
Is that a strip around the pole right there?
Hey, put your girls in the audience.
The fuck is this shit?
tom papa
Yeah, that doesn't look fun.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, there was no girls that went to strip clubs.
unidentified
None.
joe rogan
Zero.
Now everybody's like, yeah.
tom papa
It's a thing to do.
joe rogan
She's so hot.
tom papa
It's like going to a sports bar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like girls who go to cigar bars.
tom papa
Yeah.
I'm just like you guys.
joe rogan
I'm one of the guys.
Oh, right.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
But we're here to not be with you right now.
joe rogan
They're trying to test your resolve, young Tom Papa.
tom papa
Trying to calm down.
joe rogan
They're trying to get you to come over their side.
Slowly but surely, they turn you.
tom papa
No, man, she's cool.
She's different from all the rest.
joe rogan
How about the guy who brings his girlfriend everywhere?
How about that brutal motherfucker?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to have fights over your house.
Hey, man, you want to come over and watch the fights?
Yeah, sure.
I'm bringing Cindy.
Oh, you fuck.
You fuck.
You didn't even ask.
tom papa
It's cool, right?
joe rogan
Those guys who don't even ask.
You just open the door and you're like, oh.
Everybody's over the house laughing.
People are drinking.
Pot smoking.
Someone's jerking off the dog with their foot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then she comes in!
Are you guys ever gonna grow up?
tom papa
I did that once in college.
I came in and I was the guy who brought the girl and walked in and you could just The feel from everybody.
The hate was so thick and they just got so silent and changed the vibe until you got her out of there.
There was no other way to do it.
joe rogan
There's the guy comic who brings his girlfriend to everything and then expects her to be able to talk on podcasts.
There's a special place in hell reserved for those gentlemen.
You know who you pussy whipped mongrels are.
You get your shit together.
You get your shit together and don't you ever do that again.
tom papa
Yeah, look you want to go to dinner sure bring her along you want to do it fine Mike's problem is that he doesn't listen to me enough I know, that's so great you're here to tell me that.
That's what I want to do right now.
joe rogan
We would be the same exact thing if we showed up for one of their Fifty Shades of Grey parties.
They're all wearing ball gags and ready to fucking tie each other up with stockings.
And we show up, oh great, you brought Jamie.
tom papa
No, yeah, a guy going in with all girls, you ruin the whole night for them.
joe rogan
You ruin the vibe, man.
You show up at a Tupperware party?
Tom makes bread.
I make bread.
Ladies, the seal on this is not going to be enough to keep my bread fresh.
unidentified
You fucking...
tom papa
Yeah.
No.
You ever see girls at your shows and there's like a whole table of girls?
They're so free and they're so...
They're laughing.
They're having a good time.
One guy sits at that table...
joe rogan
Ruins it.
tom papa
Ruins it.
joe rogan
Yeah, because he's playing sexual politics with at least two different girls.
Like, you might have a girlfriend there, but he's a little too friendly with her friend, and she's getting pissed off, and you complimented her dress.
I thought she was your friend.
It's a nice dress.
unidentified
You look better.
joe rogan
Now you say that.
You didn't say that before.
unidentified
Yeah, sometimes you just need a break.
joe rogan
Like the blueberry pie eating contest in Stand By Me, just in your face.
unidentified
Ah!
tom papa
Sometimes you need a break.
You need to light a cigar and be alone.
Get out of that.
It's too much.
joe rogan
It's absolutely important for any friendship, any relationship, any time two people interact with each other to take time apart from each other.
Just have a little bit of space.
You know, all the time.
Like, if you're on top of each other each and every day, unless you're a really unique couple, which I have met before.
tom papa
They're out there.
They make you feel really bad about your own relationship.
joe rogan
They do everything together and they're always looking at each other and laughing.
tom papa
Yeah, no, we're great.
We work together and we play together.
joe rogan
Well, we just get along.
We finish each other's sentences.
tom papa
They're holding hands all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does happen.
tom papa
It does happen.
I hate them.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is, man?
It's just like they found that frequency, that unique personality frequency.
Because oftentimes, your frequency and someone else's frequency is just, they're just off.
tom papa
Yeah, and that doesn't mean you don't love each other.
joe rogan
Like, one person might be the who, and the other person is the doors.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And you're like, okay, we gotta figure out what we're doing here.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the end.
tom papa
But we both really like the Beatles.
Yeah.
unidentified
My only friend, the end.
tom papa
Oh, how can you play that?
unidentified
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
joe rogan
Like, no, no, no.
You're too hyper.
Too hyper, man.
unidentified
Fuck you.
tom papa
Totally different.
joe rogan
I know what I'm doing.
tom papa
And those two people are together for 15 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, but clawing each other's throats.
It's really interesting when you see people that are clawing each other's throats.
tom papa
Yeah.
Okay, that's a good question.
Who would you rather be around?
The couple that's stabbing at each other or the ideal couple who's making you feel like your relationship isn't so great?
joe rogan
Oh, the ideal couple, for sure.
I want to be around happy people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to be around people that are enjoying each other's company.
There's nothing more frustrating than being around two people that insult each other like slyly in public.
tom papa
Ooh, it's brutal.
We know a couple of those.
joe rogan
Phil Hartman's wife used to do that all the time.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They say you shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but when they kill your friend and then kill themselves, I think you're allowed to talk shit.
tom papa
Absolutely.
There's no reverence and death for the bad ones.
joe rogan
They had a very combative relationship, but she used to talk shit about him in front of us.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, right in front of him and us.
It was just like, she would say he's old.
One time she was talking about her car.
Phil was talking about a car.
Phil was a car aficionado.
Loved cars.
So we were talking about a car.
I forget what it was.
And then she goes, I love pickup trucks.
I want to get a pickup truck.
All my boyfriends back home had pickup trucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're just picturing her getting stuffed in the back of this pickup truck by some fucking farmer boy, some dude with thick wrists and big ol' catcher's mid-hands, just laying his fat dick to her.
tom papa
Doesn't even take his pants off.
joe rogan
But saying that, like, I don't know.
tom papa
It's terrible.
joe rogan
It's just weird.
tom papa
And was it constantly like that?
She was always belittling him, always tearing him down?
joe rogan
They would have these horrible fights, man.
tom papa
I never understand that.
It's like you're together.
His success is your success.
And yet they'll still tear them down.
joe rogan
Well, people don't think logically.
I know what you're saying, but that's not a logical thought.
I think they just didn't get along great.
For whatever reason.
Phil was really fucking smart, too.
tom papa
He was the coolest.
joe rogan
He was a really smart guy.
tom papa
You're so lucky you got to know him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he would do things, like he learned how to be a pilot.
So he would be on the set, and during the downtime, he'd be reading aviation books.
He'd be sitting there reading them, going through them.
He was the most studious guy and the most disciplined with his notes.
He would have his script, and each one of his scenes that he was in would have a certain highlight, like a tab, like a green tab or whatever the color tab was.
And then all of his scenes would be highlighted.
He'd have notes beside them.
Specific parts of the scene where he wanted to do something different or he questioned his intent.
And he would just, every time he would nail it.
Every time he would nail it.
The incredibly rare time where he would crack up during a filming.
But, you know, just having fun.
It was never like he fucked up.
tom papa
But he never fucked up, right.
joe rogan
I mean, everybody fucks up and laughs when you're not supposed to laugh, because it's funny.
tom papa
But he was on his game.
joe rogan
He was so professional, but he was like a very, very, very intelligent man.
tom papa
Well, he was an artist, too, right?
unidentified
Yes.
tom papa
Didn't he start out, like, designing album covers?
joe rogan
He designed album covers for bands.
Yeah.
Before he was ever even on SNL. He was also one of the writers for Pee Wee's Playhouse.
tom papa
Right.
And he was on Pee-wee's Playhouse.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was on Pee-wee's Playhouse.
And I think he wrote the first movie.
I think he wrote Pee-wee's Big Adventure as one of the writers.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
What a great...
That's amazing.
So you got to hang with him a lot?
You guys would hang all the time?
joe rogan
He took me up in his plane.
tom papa
He did?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was crazy.
I was going to buy a house.
And he was suggesting on these different areas.
And he said, what do you like?
I said, I just like quiet.
I like peace.
I like to see things that are pretty, like nature.
And he's like, okay, because I think there's an area, like right around Thousand Oaks area.
I want you to check this out.
So he'd take me up in his plane, flying around and looking at it.
tom papa
It was crazy.
Instead of driving on the 101 to go look.
joe rogan
He had like a small plane.
And what freedom you have when you have a plane, man.
tom papa
Do you ever want to do that?
Fly yourself?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a weird way to go when you know this fucking plane's dying on you.
I've had cars die on me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I know.
The mechanical end of it.
unidentified
Yikes!
tom papa
Are you mechanical?
joe rogan
Not really.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I know certain things, but it's like someone saying, yeah, I took karate when I was 14. Right.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
tom papa
Right.
I ran my own stereo in my Toyota Corolla.
joe rogan
I did that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But I wouldn't tell you that I can install stereos.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I know a little bit about cars, but I love them.
tom papa
Yeah, I did too, but that's the thing.
I feel like if you're going to have your own plane, you've got to be really knowledgeable and be on top of it.
You've got to know your limits, and that's kind of my limit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was intense, man.
The landing was intense.
It was a little tiny plane, man.
It was a little two-seater plane.
So it was me and Phil, and we're coming in for this landing.
I'm like, Jesus, it's right there.
The ground's right there.
tom papa
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's a small plane.
tom papa
And knowing that it's like your goofy friend from the set is taking you in.
joe rogan
Well, he was always like an older brother to me on the set.
Yeah, because he was older than me.
tom papa
How much older was he?
joe rogan
At least 16 years older, maybe more, maybe 17, 18 years old or something like that.
tom papa
And he was a star already, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
He was a star.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so great.
When we were on the set, he was in movies all the time.
He was just getting off of Saturday Night Live.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then, of course...
Dave Foley was a big star from Kids in the Hall.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was a big alternative star, too.
Like, everybody loved him, because he was so smart, and the writing was so good.
And then Andy Dick was, like, a known weirdo.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so it was a fascinating little group of humans.
tom papa
It was a great crew.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Great crew.
I remember spending a whole summer just watching Phil's Best of SNL disc.
joe rogan
Ugh.
tom papa
The funniest.
And stuff that wasn't even a hit.
Like him playing the acting teacher.
Oh!
I mean, I would watch it in a loop.
I could not stop watching it.
He was so...
This is something.
This is nothing.
This is something.
This is nothing.
And then he would like...
Sir, can I get out of my class?
He was on the money...
100% of the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He would do stand-up for the audience, for fun.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He would warm up the crowd.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
You know, he was putting together almost like a little routine that he would do.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
And we talked about it.
He's like, I think I'm going to go on stage someday.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
I don't think he ever really did it, though.
But he could have easily done it.
tom papa
And his wife just, God damn.
joe rogan
Well, hey, man, she was troubled.
She was a troubled person, and she was also on Zoloft and Cocaine.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Which apparently leads to psychotic thoughts, and it's apparently a very bad combination, especially for some people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
People have their own particular sort of human neurochemistry they got going on up there and with some people when they do coke and Zoloft together, it just makes them insane.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but those are the real one of the Real losses as a fan of his is that he was the kind of guy that the older he got the better he would become.
Oh, yeah He was playing guys who are older than him.
He had that very fatherly Intelligent, older kind of vibe anyway.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
So as a 75, 80-year-old, he would still be killing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there's a million different kinds of tragedies.
But the big one is those kids had to deal with the fact that their mom killed them and then killed herself.
tom papa
How many?
joe rogan
Two kids.
And then they went and lived with family afterwards.
Just the whole thing is so dark.
tom papa
It's so sad.
joe rogan
It is, man.
tom papa
It is the worst.
joe rogan
But, I mean, it was also...
It's just more evidence of what happens when people are in those combative relationships.
I know.
They don't gel together.
tom papa
Well, you know, you have somebody...
Have you ever been around, like, just a toxic person?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
And it's like, just one-on-one, you leave, and you're like, it's an energy that just drains you.
And then imagine living with that person.
Yeah.
It's too much work.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Too much work.
But, you know...
You ever dated somebody who was really kind of toxic?
It's kind of exciting at the same time.
joe rogan
Sometimes, the freaky ones are the most fun in bed.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The really crazy ones?
tom papa
Yeah, it gets a little crazy.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
When you're young, too, sometimes those break-up, make-up fights are awesome.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when they come back, you didn't think they were coming back, and the next thing you know, you're making out.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, this is crazy.
tom papa
That's, yeah.
joe rogan
And you hear the cops, like, what the fuck?
unidentified
Did you call the cops?
joe rogan
I called them before I knew we were getting back together.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom papa
We're okay here, sir.
unidentified
We've got to escape.
tom papa
No, it's fine.
We're all right now.
We've just had an argument.
joe rogan
Cops are lazy.
Get on the roof.
tom papa
I saw a house on fire yesterday.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, like up the street from me.
A whole, like a house.
joe rogan
A blaze?
tom papa
The roof was a blaze.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
And it was up in the hills, so they had to...
joe rogan
Oh, that's bad.
tom papa
Yeah, to get the fire trucks up there.
But then they stopped it.
Like, it's still standing today, but the roof is all...
But I've never seen, like, a whole house on fire.
joe rogan
Dude, I saw an entire...
I have to outdo you.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
That's why we do it.
That was the big accusation of Oprah.
She used to outdo people.
But when I was working doing Fear Factor in 2003, it was 2002 or 2003 when they had that giant fire.
There was a giant fire.
It was...
Like, on the way towards Bakersfield, up the 5, and we were filming up there at Tohono Ranch.
There was a lake, and we were dropping these people off from helicopters to the lake.
And normally, without traffic, it's about an hour-twenty drive, hour-half drive to L.A. from Tohono Ranch.
But this day, it was bumper-to-bumper.
And a guy died.
A guy ran out and got hit by a car.
And I saw his sneaker and I saw him laying on the side of the road briefly as I was passing while people were trying to attend to him.
And I didn't see his head splattered or anything like that, but I saw his leg.
And then my friend Matt told me that guy wound up dying.
And so that was the beginning of this eerie drive home.
Then as we got closer to L.A., it was literally snowing ashes.
And the entire right side of the highway was ablaze.
Jeez.
I'm talking like a mile in.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
As far as the eye could see, it looked like the fucking Lord of the Rings.
It was like I was waiting for demon horses to come riding over the top.
Right.
tom papa
It was crazy.
joe rogan
It was insane.
There was tornadoes of fire.
I mean, there was fucking fire everywhere.
tom papa
And you're in traffic at that point?
joe rogan
We're in traffic.
So you're just sitting there?
Barely removed from it by a patch of asphalt.
And I'm telling you, man, I'm not bullshitting.
That side of the road was like that for an hour.
For an hour of driving.
Like the whole right side was on fire.
Yeah.
tom papa
That's insane.
joe rogan
So when we were coming from the 101, we're coming up the 101 towards like Encino.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the entire right side, like over the crest of the hill, over near the 118, you know, Simi Valley area, ablaze.
Just ablaze.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
I got evacuated from my house.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Threw the dog in the back of the truck.
Just grabbed a laptop and some stuff.
Frank Sinatra?
No, this was Johnny Cash.
Frank Sinatra was dead at the time.
It was crazy, man.
It was crazy.
tom papa
Fires are intense here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People in my neighborhood, you could see them, like, stuff packed to their roof and shit, coming out in, like, rows of cars, people pulling out of garages and shit.
It was trippy, man.
tom papa
That's the problem with some of those more remote areas.
It's like, you know, you're surrounded by beautiful trees, but after a couple dry summers, and then...
joe rogan
Some asshole with a cigarette.
tom papa
Yeah, kablooey.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fire is fucking terrifying, man.
Because I talked to this fireman, and this scared the shit out of me.
Because there's been a few of these big rock'em sock'em fires that have hit the LA area.
Most of it's in the summer when the winds kick up.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Santa Ana's.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one firefighter told me, he goes, dude, It's just a matter of time before one day a fire catches and it goes through the entire city and we can't do shit about it.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
And I go, really?
And he goes, yup.
He goes, it's just the right conditions, the right wind, the fire coming from the right amount of angles, the wind taking the embers in the air, lighting more houses on fire.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
He goes, it's just a matter of time for one day, it goes right to the ocean.
tom papa
I hate the, it's just a matter of time, guys.
Right?
The earthquake, just a matter of time before this whole place just falls off into the ocean.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like glass half empty squared.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Just a matter of time before the big plague hits, takes us all out.
joe rogan
They do say that a lot, right?
tom papa
Just a matter of time before there's no more food left.
I just got...
joe rogan
But where do you want to be?
Do you want to be somewhere...
You don't want to be a prepper, right?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
But you don't want to be the guy who dies of starvation because he can't figure out how to get by.
tom papa
No, you want to be...
You want a couple...
You want to try your best.
unidentified
I guess.
joe rogan
Do you want to be Rick from The Walking Dead, who goes through several seasons of horrific events and is basically a shattered man by the time I abandon the show?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or do you want to be one of the people that gets killed early on?
So it's a wrap.
tom papa
I'd probably go somewhere in between, get a little adventure, meet some new people, make some mistakes, you think you got it together, and then wacko.
joe rogan
But isn't The Walking Dead the ultimate existential crisis?
Because if you do die, you're going to come back as a zombie.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the only thing that can free you is, I guess, if you shoot yourself in the head.
Like, you would have to shoot yourself in the head, because if you shoot a zombie in the head, they'd just stop being a zombie anymore.
Somehow or another, there's a button, you know?
tom papa
I feel like they're getting very wishy-washy with the zombie rules lately.
joe rogan
I don't watch it anymore.
tom papa
Yeah, me neither.
I watched, like, a little bit of it.
joe rogan
The zombies definitely aren't consistent in their ability to fuck things up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They used to be able to tear apart horses, and now they can, like, you can just push them aside.
It's like, get out of here.
tom papa
Yeah, and they're like these bony little things, and yet they're kind of strong.
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and here's my question.
Why aren't they rotted all together by now?
Like, why aren't they just a bag of bones?
Like, what's going on?
tom papa
I guess because they're not real?
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Did you see what happened to Big Sur?
They're Big Sur, Ventana, whatever ranch, Canyon Ranch, whatever.
They're completely isolated.
They've had giant mudslides, and that part, you can't enter or exit the town.
unidentified
Oh!
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They closed off, like, the one?
tom papa
Yeah.
No.
They're completely isolated right now.
And they think they're going to be able to open up the road coming from the north by, like, September.
joe rogan
What?
tom papa
And they don't know if the south is ever going to be repaired.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go, go, go, go, go, go.
unidentified
I gotta wait.
tom papa
It's crazy.
Look at that.
joe rogan
But let me see what it looks like.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
What's the title?
You have the title obscured.
Oh, Landslide, Buries, California, Scenic Highway, and Big Sur.
tom papa
If you don't know Big Sur, this is like the most beautiful part of the ride between LA and San Francisco.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Up the one.
joe rogan
Look at the fucking landslide!
tom papa
Yeah, they think that the only way they're going to be able to do it is to just build on the landslide.
It's that much dirt.
joe rogan
More than a million tons of rock and dirt fell down.
Look at that!
It's insane!
The landsliding skin's a quarter of a mile!
tom papa
It's just mountain now.
joe rogan
The road is covered in a layer of dirt 35 to 40 feet deep.
How many people are dead in there?
tom papa
I don't think that many.
joe rogan
The highway runs through Big Sur, which is a major tourist attraction.
Authorities have closed all access to the highway and don't know when it will reopen.
How about get a fucking shovel?
All you need is a hundred Mexicans.
It'll be done by tomorrow.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Those people work hard.
tom papa
Metal detectors.
joe rogan
All this bullshit about the wall.
I have these Mexicans.
unidentified
Let me show you, Mr. Trump, what we can do.
tom papa
Metal detector.
How about that?
joe rogan
Oh, you go crazy.
unidentified
But look at that.
joe rogan
Do they expect that people died there?
tom papa
It's million dollar...
What is it?
The Henry Miller Museum and the Big Sur, Vantana, all these beautiful places where you would drive up and be able to stay overnight and eat on the coast.
Those places are isolated.
They weren't covered in the slide.
You just can't get to them.
joe rogan
Yeah, so what you got to do is you got to buy real estate there now.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because a bunch of pussies would be panicking and selling cheap.
tom papa
You're right.
joe rogan
Scoop up a nice scenic view.
Imagine if that's your house.
You're just sitting up there chilling, and all of a sudden you slide all the way down into the ocean, and that's how you die.
tom papa
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
You just think, I finally made it.
I got this beautiful view.
Look at my deck.
Hey, Tom, come on over.
Bring bread.
tom papa
Joe, you did it.
I can't believe you did it.
joe rogan
You did it, buddy.
We're having a jet.
It's still moving!
We haven't been able to go up there and assess.
It's still moving.
tom papa
Hey Joe, is the yard supposed to be moving like that?
joe rogan
Look at this.
We have geologists and engineers who are going to check it out this week and see how do we pick up the pieces of the highway.
Oh my god.
Snakes around the California coastline is a major tourist destination.
Crews called the landslide one of a kind.
tom papa
But it happened like a month ago, and then it's just like last Saturday, another chunk just went.
So it's like, it's still in motion.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, that's what keeps me, things like that are what keeps me from living on the ocean.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
I rented a house in Malibu, and one time I got super baked, and I went down to the bottom floor.
I was only in this house for like three months, but it was like, the bottom floor bedroom was like the water would literally go under it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And at nighttime, it's fucking horrifying.
tom papa
It's scary.
joe rogan
In the daytime, it's gorgeous.
You're looking out, and you see that blue water, and it's so inviting.
But at nighttime, that water is dark, and the sky is black, and you're like, oh my god.
It shows you what it really is.
tom papa
I'm in the ocean.
joe rogan
You're essentially at the whim of this ever-changing sea.
You are riding on a gamble.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that gamble is, what are the odds that it's going to shift now?
You know it's going to shift eventually.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
This house is probably worth millions of dollars, and it's just sitting on this water.
tom papa
Crazy.
joe rogan
You don't even have a front yard.
Your backyard is the ocean.
tom papa
My cousin has a place down towards San Diego, and all these beautiful multi-million dollar homes on this cliff, and they just keep shoring up the cliff.
They just keep putting in new planks, got concrete rivet, and they're just hanging on.
It's like someone, some day, is in this house when it goes down.
joe rogan
People are crazy.
tom papa
But man, when you're sitting there at the sunset and it's just you and the ocean, it is pretty spectacular.
It might be worth sliding in eventually.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think what you have to have is super baller money.
So you have that house on the coast and then you have a house somewhere else.
Or you don't have a family and you're just a dude with a surfboard.
You're like, this is the perfect spot.
If I lose everything, so what?
I'll rent a house somewhere.
tom papa
Yeah, I've done it already.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could do that.
tom papa
Yeah, that would be a good move.
joe rogan
But you don't want to want your kids to get sucked away by the tide.
tom papa
How do you?
You're enjoying that pipe.
joe rogan
I do.
tom papa
It's good, right?
joe rogan
It's a little buzz.
I wish I had a cigar, though.
unidentified
I know.
tom papa
You know what?
I was actually thinking about bringing cigars today, but I couldn't remember if you said we could smoke in here.
joe rogan
Yeah, we can.
Well, in the new studio, the new studio is like a mythical place that we keep talking about.
Once it actually exists, people go like, oh, he wasn't bullshitting.
tom papa
Yeah, you have been talking about it for a while.
joe rogan
The new studio, we're actually having ventilation systems put in the ceiling so that it can hit a button and it'll suck the smoke out of the room.
unidentified
That's great.
joe rogan
So if Dice Clay is here, Dice likes to smoke.
I like the smoke!
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Hey!
I just got pipe and tobacco everywhere.
But he'll smoke it.
tom papa
That's why Dice doesn't smoke a pipe.
joe rogan
It won't make me nauseous.
tom papa
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then...
tom papa
And you won't go home smelling...
joe rogan
People won't get secondhand weed smoke, too, so it won't put you under.
tom papa
Right.
Do people complain about that?
joe rogan
No.
I would never smoke in front of someone that has an issue.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like an AA issue?
I've had people that have come on that have specifically requested me not get high in front of them.
They didn't know me.
They're like, yeah, that are in the program.
They're like, please don't have them do drugs in front of me.
tom papa
Yeah, that makes sense.
They get a little squirrely.
Next time I'll bring...
I have a big box of Cuban cigars.
unidentified
Ooh.
tom papa
They're so nice.
joe rogan
Ooh, strong.
tom papa
They are strong.
They're big, too.
joe rogan
What kind?
tom papa
Cohibas.
unidentified
Ooh.
tom papa
So nice.
The head rush after that is like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You might as well go to bed.
joe rogan
I used to like those Hoyo de Monterey Double Coronas.
Nice.
Those big, fat post-steak cigars.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have a big steak and...
Mashed potatoes with sour cream and chives.
tom papa
After Musso and Franks.
You ever go to the cigar place next to the improv?
joe rogan
No, I have not.
I know that spot.
tom papa
It's a good spot.
joe rogan
I've never been in there.
tom papa
If you're ever doing two shows there, screwing around, it's a nice little hang.
You want to get away from the club for a minute.
Just go sitting there and the guy who runs it's great.
It's a good spot.
joe rogan
That's cool.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really like the improv, man.
The improv is a different vibe now.
I've been going there a lot lately.
tom papa
Have you?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different vibe.
It feels good.
Everything feels good now, man.
Comedy feels great.
This is a good time, man.
tom papa
It really is.
joe rogan
Last night was beautiful.
tom papa
What'd you do last night?
joe rogan
Well, one of the things I did that was really interesting, I did a podcast with my friend Owen Smith.
Do you know Owen?
tom papa
Love Owen.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
tom papa
He really makes me laugh.
joe rogan
Funny, dude.
He's such a good guy.
tom papa
Subtle, solid guy.
joe rogan
Good guy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anyway, Owen has a new show that he's coming out with called Something Notebooks with Owen Smith.
And what it is is you find your oldest comedy notebooks and you bring it out and go over your material.
And I found some notebooks from 1990. That's great.
I had a list, a set list from 93. A new material list from 1993, March of 93. Wow.
I was like, whoa, this is crazy.
It was terrible.
It was like needles through my soul reading off my lines.
tom papa
It's so hard.
unidentified
Terrible bullshit jokes that I had when I was 21. Your ideas.
tom papa
This is really saying something, man.
joe rogan
I had orchestrated crowd work.
I had written in crowd work.
Oh, it was so terrible.
It was so bad.
I showed it to the camera.
tom papa
It's okay, you're learning.
I have a tape, I have a cassette tape, a video tape, VHS tape of me doing stand-up at Stand Up New York, like in my first year.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Like 93, and I am 30 pounds heavier, tight jeans, I think I'm wearing a vest, curly hair, and I would lunge when I would tell the jokes.
Like this Elvis kind of lunge.
joe rogan
Come on, baby.
tom papa
And I was so scared to hear if they were going to laugh or not that I would just go a thousand miles an hour just yelling.
unidentified
I thought it was Kinnison.
tom papa
It's like Kinison without the jokes.
joe rogan
Scared that they're gonna catch you if you pause for a second.
tom papa
Yeah, I didn't even give them a split second.
I just went.
joe rogan
You know that one thing that some comedians will do, especially in the early days, where they say a bunch of things in a row, and they memorize it, and the audience will clap at the end of their big memorization?
unidentified
It's so true.
tom papa
It's the closest you get to a guitar riff.
Exactly!
joe rogan
Well, that, in my opinion, is where Dice had everybody beat in the 1980s.
Because people would go to see him and they would repeat his lines.
They wanted to hear, what's in the bowl, bitch?
You'd have the whole audience do it, just like a fucking rock concert.
tom papa
Crazy.
joe rogan
That's a one-of-a-kind experience.
tom papa
Yeah, can't replicate it.
joe rogan
I mean, Dice had something that was different, because they were going to see stuff they already knew.
tom papa
Yeah, that is so wild.
joe rogan
Like, he would go, Hickory Dickory Duck!
And everybody would go fucking crazy!
unidentified
Jaws!
joe rogan
I still weird out when I hang out with Dice.
Still, to this day.
tom papa
Because he was a rock star.
joe rogan
Well, when I'm in the room with him, I weird out.
I can't even believe that's Dice Clay.
tom papa
Yeah, it's crazy.
No, he was so big.
joe rogan
And my girlfriend, we were 19. We're sitting in my car.
I was dating this hot Nicaraguan girl.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
She had a great sense of humor.
She's hilarious.
But we're sitting in my car, listening to this fucking Dice Clay tape.
Just howling, laughing.
It was so stupid.
Because when you're 19, that is like the perfect kind of comedy for you.
tom papa
Oh, God.
Sad on a toughet.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Little boy blue.
He needed the money!
tom papa
Did you ever see him do a long set back then?
I only saw short sets.
joe rogan
I went to see him live.
I saw him a couple of times.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then I saw him...
tom papa
Would he do that the whole way?
joe rogan
I saw him in a store a lot in the 90s.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
When he was just sort of fucking around.
But when he would come to the store, it wasn't like a set, like a concert set.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It was like he was working on new material, he was fucking around, just working out.
tom papa
When he would do long sets, I mean, everyone was waiting for the nursery rhyme stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He still does nursery rhyme stuff.
I saw him, me and Jim Norton, and Anthony Cumia, and who the fuck else was it?
I think Bobby Kelly and Red Band.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
We went to see him in Vegas.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
At the Riviera.
tom papa
That's great.
Which is just- Recently?
joe rogan
No.
Obviously, the Riviera's dead now.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
I think it was probably five years ago.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe a little more, but God damn, we had a great time.
I saw the whole set- I saw his whole set from beginning to end.
It was great.
tom papa
It's great.
He was a monster.
joe rogan
Dude, he was a killer.
tom papa
You see him in the Woody Allen movie?
I'm sure you did.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's really good.
tom papa
He's a good actor.
Yeah, really good.
joe rogan
That Woody Allen movie weirds me out, though.
All his movies all weird me out now.
tom papa
Because of...
joe rogan
Because he's so crazy.
tom papa
Because of the guy?
Because of who he is?
joe rogan
Because of who he is, yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he's still a brilliant director, a great screenwriter, but it's just like, there's certain things you expect.
You know, oh, he got hooked on pills.
That happens.
Ah, he's a boozer.
It happens.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it turns out he was gay.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It happens.
Ah, he's fucking his daughter.
tom papa
Happened.
joe rogan
What?
Wait a minute.
How old was she when he met her?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was two?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
That's that great joke by Emo Phillips.
joe rogan
What is it?
tom papa
Woody Allen adopted Suni when she was four years old.
Started dating her when she was 15. Patience of a saint.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Is that what he did?
He started dating her when she was 15?
unidentified
Is that real?
tom papa
Something like that.
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
But, you know, you find out anything about an artist, you're gonna not like them.
joe rogan
Right, but here's the question.
Again, is it me?
Is it me?
Is it the same thing about my friend jerking off his dog with his foot?
Is it just on me?
I mean, what if...
I mean, it sounds gross, but what if, after all those years, they really were in love with each other?
Does that make sense?
tom papa
It seems like it now, right?
I mean, he's an old man and they're still in love and hanging out.
joe rogan
Is that unacceptable?
tom papa
I don't know.
It's unacceptable if people get hurt, if no one got hurt.
I mean, you can't do it.
I mean, there's a lot of things.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are the pictures before and after.
tom papa
Yeah, but I heard some of these are, I heard there was some weirdness in some of these.
joe rogan
Well, there's weirdness here.
This is a little girl and he's with her and then he wound up marrying her.
That's weird, man.
It's just weird.
tom papa
Well, he didn't make her.
joe rogan
Well, look, he's not arrested, and he's not in jail, so it's not illegal.
tom papa
Right, and wasn't there a case?
I mean, didn't they investigate and find him innocent of all this?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
tom papa
That's the problem with these accusations, too.
The accusations of that stuff are so huge.
Even if you're found innocent, that doesn't compare to the charge.
Was he found innocent?
Like, did they go to court?
joe rogan
I don't know if he was criminally tried.
I don't think he did anything criminal.
tom papa
So there was no evidence to even...
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think there was a time where Mia Farrow was saying that he had done something to one of their other daughters.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then Woody was saying that that daughter was coached by Mia and that Mia's crazy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And that she's furious that he wound up with Soon-Yi.
It's all crazy.
tom papa
It's all crazy.
But I'll tell you...
I can shove it aside and watch Crimes and Misdemeanors over and over and over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's one of the greatest films of all time.
joe rogan
What was the one where it was the space movie?
tom papa
Sleeper.
joe rogan
Sleeper, yeah.
That was a freaky movie.
tom papa
I mean, so good.
Just what he's doing now.
I mean, he's made two movies a year for how many years?
joe rogan
Does he make two a year?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does he?
tom papa
Yeah, the spring project, the fall project.
joe rogan
You know what's really interesting?
tom papa
Vicky Barcelona.
joe rogan
Midnight in Paris.
tom papa
Midnight in Paris is amazing!
joe rogan
Well, it was really weird watching Owen Benjamin...
Not Owen Benjamin.
tom papa
Owen Wilson.
joe rogan
Owen Wilson.
tom papa
Basically doing Woody.
joe rogan
Play him.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he really was doing a version of Woody Allen.
tom papa
And it totally worked.
joe rogan
It totally worked.
tom papa
Totally worked.
joe rogan
I mean, Owen did a great job.
tom papa
Oh, that movie was so good.
joe rogan
He was really, like, he was channeling, like, a Woody Allen.
Yeah.
Like, even the way he read the lines.
tom papa
Yeah, that same vibe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Just that it exists is amazing.
joe rogan
And tolerating ridiculous shit, you know?
Like, they were both tolerating ridiculous shit from each other.
Everyone's having affairs.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Just that Paris exists, isn't that enough?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Beautiful film.
I mean, he makes amazing work.
joe rogan
Well, he's a weirdo.
Weirdos have weird thoughts.
tom papa
That's the thing.
joe rogan
It makes him more creative.
I mean, whatever reason.
tom papa
I know.
And I just don't have the connection that, like, Ronan Farrow obviously has to it.
He can't watch those movies.
But Tom Papa sitting in his place watching the movie, I'm not connected enough for it to bump me out of watching the art.
All artists are freaky if you'd get down underneath it.
I'm sure there's a lot of people that we adore who did some pretty heinous shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, when someone like David Carradine dies wearing a wetsuit with a dildo up his ass hanging in a hotel, you know?
Didn't he die from like autoerotic asphyxiation?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy from NXS, same thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's like a lot of people die doing like really freaky shit.
tom papa
Doing some weird stuff.
People are weird.
Jesus.
Don't dig too deep.
It's better just to know people on the surface.
joe rogan
Or just let it go.
Accept.
I'm almost always willing to do that.
Almost always willing to do that.
But the Woody Allen one makes it go...
The Bill Cosby one does not make me want to do that.
That one is just like, I've got to write you off.
tom papa
Forever.
Forever.
joe rogan
Right?
Drug and rape 50 women?
tom papa
Yeah, that one definitely.
joe rogan
That's a lifetime write-off.
tom papa
If he had made Crimes and Misdemeanors, maybe I would be okay with it.
What about Fat Albert?
What about Roman Polanski?
joe rogan
Can you still watch Fat Albert?
Hey, hey, hey!
Is Fat Albert difficult to find?
tom papa
I doubt it.
joe rogan
Because it seems like Fat Albert kind of reinforces certain racial stereotypes that he might probably disagree with as he became older.
tom papa
I don't know.
There was a little moral stuff there and everybody getting along.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that was always the rumor that he had bought out the Little Rascals and then he had kept it from being aired because it was racist?
tom papa
Yeah, because of the buckwheat stuff and all that racist stuff in it.
Was that true?
joe rogan
I think that was Snopes and I think they found it wasn't true.
tom papa
Oh really?
Yeah, that he bought the rights to it and wouldn't let it be shown.
joe rogan
Yeah, find out if that's true.
tom papa
There was a lot of racist stuff back then.
joe rogan
Dude.
We were talking at the comedy store last night about how people in the old days used to smack people.
Like how often you'd see a movie where Humphrey Bogart would smack some woman in the face.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then wound up making out with her.
tom papa
Yeah.
That's just how it went.
joe rogan
They would smack each other.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Women would smack men.
Men would smack women.
Smack!
unidentified
Smack!
tom papa
I love watching It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
joe rogan
What was that?
tom papa
You've never seen that?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
tom papa
Oh, come on.
It's one of the greatest comedy films of all time.
joe rogan
Who's in it?
tom papa
Buddy Hackett, Jonathan Winters, Jack Benny, Mickey Rooney, Henny Youngman.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
I mean, Milton Berle.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
I mean, it's endless.
Spencer Tracy, all put in this crazy film about trying to race across from the desert to Santa Monica.
And Phil Silvers, all these, I mean, great, it was like the comedy film of its time.
And it still holds up.
It's still great to watch.
You would love it.
You have to watch it.
The thing I love is everybody screams.
Everybody is just yelling at each other.
You moron!
You idiot!
You got me into this one!
Who the hell are you?!
It's so cathartic in a time where everyone has to be so reserved and say the right thing.
Everyone's just like, you're a moron!
Just slapping each other in the face.
It's so much fun.
joe rogan
People were just harsher to each other back then.
tom papa
Oh, it was great.
joe rogan
It was a different world, right?
tom papa
A totally different world.
joe rogan
Not that long ago, either.
Little Rascals and Bill Cosby.
Did Bill Cosby.
Status, false.
It says, origin, spanky alfalfa, buckwheat, Darla.
Just a few of the easily recognizable names were a fond part of the childhoods of generations of kids, beloved characters, blah, blah, blah.
jamie vernon
It's just a rumor that started around 1989. So where can you get Little Rascals now?
You could probably just buy it online.
I don't know if it's officially on Hulu or anything.
I didn't look for that, but it says it's been licensed in the syndication since 1997. Bill Cosby has never owned any part of the rights to Little Rascals.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's bullshit.
jamie vernon
There's another one that popped up.
It said he tried to block Amos and Andy from being on TV, too, or something.
tom papa
Yeah, and CBS withdrew it from syndication.
No Amos and Andy.
joe rogan
Ted Turner had bought up the rights of the TV show The Dukes of Hazard to keep it off television because of his demeaning portrayal of Southerners.
The series is- well, this is old.
It says it's currently syndicated on TNN. It's not anymore.
tom papa
Neither rumors, but that's not true either.
joe rogan
They don't air it anywhere anymore, right?
Isn't that the deal?
Like, they didn't, like, digitally remove the Confederate flag.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
There was a, um, something today about the Confederate flag.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
What was in the news today about the Confederate flag?
tom papa
Well, the mayor of New Orleans has given one of the best speeches, I think, of our lifetime.
joe rogan
That guy did.
tom papa
The mayor.
joe rogan
Someone else did something terrible today.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Civil War Museum closes after spat with Confederate flag.
That's not it.
This speech...
There's something about someone refusing to take down the Confederate flag.
Confederate flag comes down, accusations fly.
There's something...
No, no, no.
I don't think that's it.
unidentified
Eh.
joe rogan
You'll just be searching.
You'll be searching.
But it was another politician who was refusing to take down the Confederate flag.
And you know, Mississippi has it as a part of their state flag.
tom papa
Oh really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Mississippi state flag is like a Confederate flag in the corner of it.
tom papa
Right.
The mayor of New Orleans, I forget his name, gave this eloquent 20 minute speech About the removal of four statues in New Orleans, Robert E. Lee, Civil War era things.
So eloquent.
The points he makes, it's really about togetherness, moving ahead.
We have to realize that this was a part, this was a wound to our country.
And it never healed right.
And this is part of making it heal right and taking down these statues.
Try and explain to a five-year-old girl who lives in this city of what that means.
But it was put up right after the Civil War to let people know that this is the way things...
It was a white supremacist...
There's supremacist movement that put those up there.
You explain that to a five-year-old girl.
How are we going to move forward in the culture if we don't get these removed?
This isn't about hate.
This isn't about revenge.
This is about moving forward.
He, 20 minutes, in a time like we're talking about a rush of just news and constant noise and chatter and tweets, this guy takes 20 minutes.
Eloquently, calmly makes the case in a way that my paraphrasing doesn't do it any justice.
unidentified
No, it's bulletproof.
joe rogan
It's a bulletproof case.
tom papa
Bulletproof.
It's so great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, I think the problem with the Confederate flag and even some of the figures in the Civil War, they get...
Connected in a lot of people's mind to Southern Pride.
You know, like where they're from, like Southern Pride, Leonard Skinner, you know, that kind of shit.
I mean, like, Leonard Skinner always had that fucking Confederate flag in their shirts, man.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
I mean, it wasn't just...
A racist symbol of white supremacy, but it is a racist symbol of white supremacy.
tom papa
It's both, unfortunately.
Yeah, you gotta, right, and you gotta kind of give that up and have pride.
You can still have pride in the South.
You can still be a kickass Southerner who loves the South for all the good reasons.
joe rogan
You know what they need to do?
They need to come up with a new flag.
There's nothing wrong with the South having a flag.
As long as the South recognizes it's part of America, that's just something that replaces the Confederate flag but includes everybody.
Something that's not connected to a movement to try to keep slavery.
tom papa
There was one comment he made too.
This was a flawed movement.
This wasn't fighting for America.
This was fighting to tear apart America.
And we need new symbols.
joe rogan
A perfect example is the flag of Texas with the star.
tom papa
Yeah, badass.
joe rogan
That's like Texas might as well be its own country, right?
And that flag, that means something.
It's not about right supremacy.
It's about Texas is a badass place.
That's a badass flag.
tom papa
You have to have a mentality to live here, and it's inclusive mentality.
If you're a Texan, you're a Texan.
It doesn't matter if you're black or white.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I know, they really...
joe rogan
You gotta let that go.
tom papa
Man, the coming...
And you know what made me think that the...
I was always kind of back and forth on the Redskins and the Indians.
And, uh, no.
Pride is the thing.
It's just like, what, because you and your grandfather used to tailgate?
unidentified
I've been supporting the Warriors for 72 years!
Yeah.
I was hearing through their first football.
tom papa
We used to go watch those games together.
Me and my grandfather.
Redskins pride.
unidentified
You're telling me we can't be the Redskins anymore if we have a few liberal pussies?
tom papa
My friend made a great point.
He said...
It's a business, man.
You would just say, if you own the Redskins, alright, we're changing it.
All that old merch, people are going to be paying through the ass to get.
Then you have this new logo.
Everyone's going to be buying the new stuff.
It's going to be a windfall just from the merch.
If you're not thinking about the social issues, think of it as just a dollar issue and go for it.
joe rogan
People don't want to give up ground.
It doesn't make sense.
Because they're worried that crazy liberals are going to come in and nerf everything.
tom papa
It's not liberal, it's just being nice, right?
joe rogan
Oh, I know in this case it is, but it's one of the things that people worry about.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They worry about giving up ground.
Because people are so ridiculous today.
They give up a little ground, they'll go fucking crazy.
No more Taco Tuesdays, cultural appropriation, and you can't serve sushi if you're white.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
People just start getting really wacky when it comes to giving up ground.
tom papa
Doesn't it feel like it's running out of steam a little bit?
joe rogan
It feels like it's becoming more and more preposterous.
Like, being a social justice warrior is a really ridiculous thing at this point.
tom papa
It really feels like it's become so absurd.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's not...
tom papa
And from that, I think there's a correction that's been made.
I think there are people, like, taking more things into consideration about other people.
And, oh, we didn't really think about...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
tom papa
...those families or that group or whatever.
But...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Good has been done.
tom papa
Yeah, good's been done.
joe rogan
Maybe that's how it always is.
The tide goes out, the tide goes in.
You can't explain it.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, right.
Remember that?
joe rogan
Bill O'Reilly?
tom papa
Yep.
No.
joe rogan
You don't remember that?
tom papa
No, no.
joe rogan
That was one of the worst arguments he ever had on his show.
He was talking about how he's putting his chips on Jesus because you can't explain why the tie goes in, the tie goes out.
He was talking to some guy who's an atheist.
Who was he talking to?
Dawkins?
No.
It wasn't Dawkins.
jamie vernon
David Silverman.
joe rogan
Okay.
He was so dumb.
It's such a dumb argument.
tom papa
You can't explain it, but you can't explain it?
jamie vernon
Of course you can.
joe rogan
I hear you hear it.
unidentified
It's so stupid.
Do you think that's a scam?
No, I don't.
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why it's not a scam, in my opinion.
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
Never a miscommunication.
You can't explain that.
You can explain why the tide goes in.
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
See, the water, the tide comes in and it goes out, Mr. Silverman.
Maybe it's four on top of Mount Olympus who's making the tides go in and out.
tom papa
That's great.
joe rogan
Fucking idiot.
tom papa
The look in his eye is like, yeah, I can explain that.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
tom papa
That's terrible.
joe rogan
There's a moon.
There's gravity.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Causes the wave.
Come on, man.
It's terrible.
You can time the tide, you fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They know exactly when it's coming.
tom papa
It's such a bummer.
Being smart sometimes is a bummer.
joe rogan
It takes away all your- He's not dumb.
I think he's deceptive.
I think Bill O'Reilly's just crazy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
It's amazing that he got kicked out of Fox.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
They're kicking everybody out.
tom papa
Hannity seems to be holding on.
joe rogan
Maybe he's like one of the only ones that didn't participate in the orgies.
tom papa
Yeah, they don't have enough dirt on him.
joe rogan
Sounds like a crazy fuck party over there.
All they're doing is like trying to get laid.
Bill O'Reilly's beating off on the phone.
I read some article about him.
He'd call women up and he'd be beating off and he's talking to them like, whoa.
tom papa
Remember when the transcript came out?
He was like, I want to be the loofah on your body.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're so fucked up.
Jesus.
tom papa
In the workplace.
joe rogan
Jesus, boy.
tom papa
So disgusting.
joe rogan
But odd, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I know.
That whole place was running...
It was like the Cosby thing.
It's like once the one came out, it was just rapid fire.
joe rogan
Yep.
Well, when you have a guy who's got that kind of power and is that, you know, it's just so weird.
tom papa
Yeah, they get bored.
Again, the weird sexuality thing, right?
It's like, it manifests itself in this guy in this way.
And it's abusing these women.
joe rogan
Those fucking shows, too.
Like, all these shows, like, when we really think back, like, we look back at 2017 from the future, and we look at the state of the media today, and how, like, one side, whether it's Fox News or whether it's CNN, We'll be so heavily leaned in one direction or the other, so obviously editorializing what's going on in the news and their opinions of the news.
tom papa
Well, it's all just entertainment at this point.
It's so gross.
I mean, you know, when that horrible thing happened in Manchester at the concert, it's like, okay, that act is heinous, and what happened that night to those people is heinous, but then who does all of the other work of scaring the daylights out of the rest of the world?
CNN. Running it nonstop for 48 hours.
This grainy footage of young girls screaming and crying.
So much more powerful than what that schmuck did blowing up those people in that place.
They're just as negative a force.
For the public than the terrorists.
joe rogan
But they don't care.
They're just trying to get attention.
If it bleeds, it leads.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
This is a big story.
unidentified
Horrible.
joe rogan
But what is their responsibility?
Isn't their responsibility to report on the news?
Because that's a news story.
That's a giant, crazy, tragic event.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
And they would be remiss if they didn't report on it.
tom papa
You can report on it, but you don't have to have me walking with my daughter through an airport and having it blaring out of every television set, the girls screaming.
You could have grown-ups sitting there and analyzing it without sensationalizing it, but it's entertainment.
It's this big balls-out entertainment network.
It's heinous.
joe rogan
I think that's a real good argument, that when people are watching it involuntarily, like at the airports- Can't escape it!
Yeah.
tom papa
I cannot escape it!
I was trying, I was working on this book, I was at the end of this book, I had a deadline, I'm just head down, not trying to follow anything, but I was traveling at the same time, wolf blitzers popping out in bars, in restaurants, at the gate, Wetzel's pretzels, more breaking news, Trump did this now!
That, you can't escape it.
joe rogan
So much pressure.
tom papa
There's no responsibility about these, like, you know, be an old man, be an old, what happened to like the news reporters being like a shitty guy?
They just deliver the news as the grandfather.
They're running ads now on CNN of them like Wolf Blitzer and another couple of them walking through the hall.
It's like those ESPN ads, remember?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
And ESPN would be walking through the offices of ESPN making jokes with a mascot.
That's what Wolf Blitzer and Kamau Bell and all these people are doing on CNN. What are they doing?
They're walking?
They're walking through and they're like, hey, look, there's Anderson Cooper.
What's he doing in the office?
And it's a comedy bit.
unidentified
Yes!
tom papa
These are the people that are supposed to be delivering the hard news to help you rationalize and make sense of the world.
Hey, look at him.
He's in there.
What's Anderson doing in there?
And a punchline.
joe rogan
Well, you know what really disturbs me when they do that podcast thing where Anderson Cooper does that 360 where he's sitting at the desk and he'll have four people to his right, four people to his left.
tom papa
Twenty people!
joe rogan
There's nine people the last time I saw it.
Nine people.
tom papa
Yeah, yelling at each other.
joe rogan
Him and eight people and everyone's talking over each other.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And some people never get a word in edgewise and people are just jumping in and just...
tom papa
It's the worst.
It's all entertainment.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's all so editorialized, too.
It's like, how can a person just relay to you the information as unbiased as they possibly can?
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Is that possible today?
tom papa
Is anybody doing it?
PBS is as close as I can find it.
Yes, it's kind of just factual.
They just put it out.
Whenever they have Shields and Brooks on, it's a...
joe rogan
It's not Brooks and Dunn?
tom papa
No, not Shields and Urnell.
unidentified
Shields and Brooks.
tom papa
And they're just two guys who would never be on any other network because they're funny looking.
And they have the conservative view and the liberal view.
But it's very matter-of-fact and factual and not sensational, not shitty to each other.
That's his...
Evenly balanced, calm as I can find is PBS NewsHour.
joe rogan
Who was Sean Hannity arguing with when he was telling Sean Hannity that he's bad for America?
Was it Ted Koppel?
tom papa
Ted Koppel.
joe rogan
It was Ted Koppel.
tom papa
Yeah.
Told him he was bad for America.
joe rogan
And, you know, and Sean Hannity was saying something along the lines of, don't you think America's smart enough to make up their own mind, which is just so ridiculous.
tom papa
Well, so candy ass of him is that he backs out of it and says, well, I'm not a journalist.
I'm a talk show host.
unidentified
Let me hear this.
You think we're bad for America?
You think I'm bad for America?
Yeah.
You do.
In the long haul, I think you and all these opinion shows...
Really?
That's sad, Ted.
No, you know why?
That's sad.
Because you're very good at what you do and because you have attracted a significantly more influential...
You are selling the American people short.
Let me finish the sentence before you do that.
With all due respect.
Yes.
You have attracted...
People who are determined that ideology is more important than facts.
tom papa
Oof.
That's what you need.
Those old dudes should be running the whole show.
joe rogan
Ooh, he tells Bill O'Reilly he ruined journalism too?
Ted Koppel's on a goddamn rampage.
tom papa
And he's so measured.
joe rogan
Put away the loofah sponge, bitch.
I got something to say.
unidentified
I've interviewed him a number of times.
Not an easy interview.
How would you do it?
You know, Bill, you and I have talked about this general subject many times over the years.
It's irrelevant how I would do it.
And you know who made it irrelevant?
You did.
You have changed the television landscape over the past 20 years.
You took it from being objective and dull to being subjective and entertaining.
And in this current climate, it doesn't matter what the interviewer asks him.
Mr. Trump is going to say whatever he wants to say, as outrageous as it may be.
Okay, but you know, your old network ABC does interview Mr. Trump on a regular basis, and our job, whether I'm a commentator or a reporter, is to get as much information, number one, and two, show the viewer who the person really is.
So again, I'll go back to, he's sitting on Nightline, you're opposed, right opposite him, how do you do it?
Well, the first way you do it is not in the interview.
You do it by some reporting.
It's an old-fashioned concept that I think demonstrating who and what Mr. Trump is and what his various policies really amount to is something you don't do in an interview.
He doesn't answer the questions.
As you pointed out, it's a whole different ballgame on cable TV. Commentators like me have just ruined the country.
I've copped to that.
It's true.
You have.
Right.
I've ruined everything.
tom papa
It's true.
It's entertainment.
Like, just give us the news.
But, you know, there's so much money in it.
joe rogan
But, I mean, why do they have to?
Here's the question.
Why can't they just put on an entertaining show that makes money?
Like, whose responsibility is it to relay the news to the people?
Is it Fox News' responsibility?
I mean, don't they have some sort of an out that they're an entertainment program?
tom papa
Yeah, but they're not.
joe rogan
But are they?
What are they?
They're a news channel.
tom papa
It's Fox News.
joe rogan
It's called Fox News.
I understand.
But let's say you decide to call a show the Tom Papa News, and you start talking about the news.
Do you have a very specific need to...
We know you as an entertainer, and Bill O'Reilly was always an entertainer.
He was an entertainment news reporter on Hard Copy before he was ever on this.
So we know he's that guy.
Who has a responsibility to tell the news in an objective sense?
If you can editorialize, you can write things out, and you can decide which stories should get the most coverage.
During the campaign, CNN was all about the sexual harassment cases against Trump, and then Fox News was all about Hillary and her email scandal.
They just decided, who's to say what you can and can't do when it comes to that?
We don't really have a hard, fast rule when it comes to television journalism.
I mean, we think New York Times, we think, you know, in certain newspapers that have a great, you know, we have respect for them.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They have a certain amount of...
tom papa
Fact-checking.
joe rogan
Yeah, and reliability, or responsibility, rather.
You can reliably assess that this is going to be the news.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
To a certain extent.
tom papa
Yeah.
I think it's, you know, once you start a 24-hour news conference, Station.
It's a beast that's got to be fed.
And how do you keep those people attracted?
joe rogan
But is it even really a 24-hour news station?
I mean, think about what CNN is.
They have W. Kamau Bell's show.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They have Anthony Bourdain's show.
They used to have that Tim Ferriss show.
They've got a bunch of shows.
They have the Morgan Sparlock show.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Nothing to do with news.
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, other than, you know, you haven't seen the show before.
Hey, this is new.
Look, they might be talking about some information you might not have ever heard before.
But it's not like a breaking news show.
tom papa
Yeah, but I think that...
I mean, what does CNN stand for?
joe rogan
Cable News Network.
tom papa
Yeah, and Fox News.
I think once you know that people are looking to you as the news, there should be some responsibility.
I think that there's somebody...
Some grown-up has to be in control of that.
But these are stocks.
These are parts of giant corporations with stock prices, and the people running it are going to meetings and get raked over the coals when their ratings are down.
And what are you going to do about it, Jeff Zucker?
joe rogan
Maybe it's going to be like when WWF, how to change their name to WWE?
So there'll be C-N-E. Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, look, if you put an old man news station on, right?
And we'd be like, okay, finally, this is like measured and good and all sides.
And this is America first before party.
Probably deep dog shit ratings.
You know what I mean?
This doesn't have all the other people going crazy on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You know, it's just, you just hope that they'll kind of muddle through it and end up, they just want grown-ups in charge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's the dude, the CNN, the dude, the GQ guy that's in his basement again?
It's the resistance, Keith Olbermann.
Somebody's got to put that dude on TV again.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Comedy Central.
Just let him write his own shit.
tom papa
I saw like a clip of him.
It really looks like he's...
joe rogan
He's on a cable news network somewhere.
tom papa
He doesn't have a makeup person anymore.
He's just at a fake desk.
joe rogan
It's just him and these incredibly verbose speeches.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Insulting Trump over and over again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Saying it's a coup and we've sold out to the Russians and this is an invasion.
Make no mistake about it.
We are the resistance.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
He's super intense.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
But it's got that weird cable access feel to it.
tom papa
It really does.
He used to be like with all these people around, now he's down to printing his own pages.
Collating his own scripts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Somebody tweeted about it the other day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
About what a fucking nut he is.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And I didn't, you know, I hadn't been paying attention lately.
tom papa
He's hard to find.
joe rogan
Well, he's not.
I mean, he's out there on that GQ page.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what they're doing.
You heard a text coming in?
tom papa
Yeah, my dog is in the emergency room.
joe rogan
What did they say?
Is it a snake bite?
tom papa
Bella can come home between 4.30 and 6. Oh, that's good.
She knows that we're on the air, so she doesn't want to disturb, but I want to find out what it was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I hope it wasn't a snake bite.
Snake venom is expensive.
It's the snake antidote.
Very expensive.
tom papa
So if you're on the trail, like I was, and the snake bit you in the leg.
joe rogan
Ooh, I don't know.
tom papa
Big bite in your thigh.
joe rogan
We should find that out.
tom papa
What do you do?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
tom papa
Because that could happen to us.
That's one of the things we really should know.
joe rogan
Dude, I ran over a snake once.
I was running with my dogs.
You like killing snakes.
No, this one I didn't run over like Hit.
This one I just saw in the road.
I was running and I jumped over this stick and as I was jumping over the stick I realized it was a rattlesnake.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
A big one.
Stretched out.
Flattened out on the road.
On the trail.
Just completely flattened out.
And it was, you know, the length of my arms.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a big ass fucking snake.
tom papa
It was a thick snake.
joe rogan
Thick, like my wrist, around.
It was a fucking thick old snake.
tom papa
So that's a lot of venom that would come out of that head.
joe rogan
I guess.
I've heard a...
I don't know if it's a myth or not, but I heard that the young ones are actually more dangerous because they unload all their venom, whereas the older ones just give you a little zap.
tom papa
The old ones like, dude, relax.
joe rogan
Well, they're more...
They're smart.
Keep the snake bite victim calm, keeping them still and quiet.
Restrict movement and keep the affected area at or below heart level to reduce the flow of venom.
Remove any rings or constricting items and clothing as the affected area may swell.
Allow the bite to bleed freely for 15 to 30 seconds before cleansing.
Create a loose splint to help restrict the movement of the area.
Contact medical help as soon as possible.
See below.
Evacuate the victim immediately by hiking to a car, a helicopter, or medical staff.
Monitor the person's vital signs, temperature, pulse, rate of breathing, and blood pressure if possible.
What does it say you do?
tom papa
So number six, evacuate the victim immediately by hiking to a car.
So does that mean that the person who's been bit can hike?
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Do not waste time hunting for the snake, and do not risk another bite if it's not easy to kill the snake.
Wow, they're trying to tell you to kill it.
After it has been killed, a snake can still bite for up to an hour, so be careful by transporting it.
Holy shit.
That's scary.
They're kind of like saying, look, I know you're going to kill this fucking snake.
jamie vernon
I looked it up for a hiking, because if you don't do it when you're in a house, it's giving you other information, so it's specific for a hike.
tom papa
So it still doesn't say if you should move or not.
joe rogan
It definitely says you're supposed to stay still, but if you have to walk a mile to your house uphill...
tom papa
Yeah, you gotta go.
I guess the splint is a loose splint to help restrict...
joe rogan
Google, what do you do if you get bit by a snake and you're hiking alone?
tom papa
It's a lot of words.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
My dog is, we have no information.
The doctor will tell us when we get there.
Interesting.
joe rogan
It needs no basis.
tom papa
What is that?
joe rogan
You have to show your papers first.
tom papa
Vets are the worst.
My last cat that died, it was like, we don't know, we're going to have to run a test.
Okay, fine, run the test.
It's going to be $1,500.
Okay, run it.
$1,500.
Okay, that didn't come, it's inconclusive.
We're going to have to run another test.
Well, why?
If you want to try and save it, we're going to be up to three grand.
Alright, we're on the test.
Alright, now we're three grand in the hole.
We didn't find out.
There's no way to cure it.
They put the cat down.
And then they say, do you want us to do an autopsy?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
Can you do one on the moon?
tom papa
For another two?
unidentified
Great!
joe rogan
It says, my snake questions on Reddit.
Okay, no first aid is much better than performing bad first aid.
Don't cut at or around the side of the bite.
Don't compress the bitten limb with a cord or a tight bandage.
Don't attempt to extract or neutralize venom using electricity.
Fire permagrant?
Pomegranate?
tom papa
Pomegranate?
joe rogan
No, it says perm-a-granate.
tom papa
Perm-a-granate.
joe rogan
Perm-a-granate?
What is that?
Salt, black stones, mouths, mud, leaves, etc.
All snake bite kits are dangerous and should not be used.
Wow.
This was also confirmed by the snake bite poison line.
A lot of snake bite patients injure themselves by panicking directly after a snake bite, by tripping over a rock or a tree trunk, or by falling off the cliff side of the trail.
Staying calm is important.
After a snake bite, walk about 20 to 30 feet away from the snake.
Find a safe place to sit down ASAP. The venom can rapidly diffuse into your system.
This can drop your blood pressure too low to pump all the way to your head while standing.
tom papa
Whoa.
joe rogan
Sitting down reduces your chances of fainting within the first few minutes.
If you faint, it shouldn't be for more than a few minutes.
Remove any rings, watches, or tight clothing.
unidentified
I hate rings.
joe rogan
You're going to swell up.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anything else from the bitten limb because the swelling will make it a lot bigger soon.
Take five minutes to calm down and plan your evacuation.
The only effective treatment for a snake bite e-venomation is the right anti-venom to neutralize it.
Do not wait for symptoms to appear.
If bitten, it's important to get in touch with emergency personnel as soon as possible to get you to a hospital.
If you have a cell phone and service, great.
Call 911 or the park ranger.
If there's no service, think about the last time you had phone service.
tom papa
Cell phones, man.
We didn't have a cell phone.
That was the other thing.
I was like, no, we're going to disconnect.
joe rogan
Look at this.
You're supposed to circle the location of the snake bite and write down the time next to it.
tom papa
So when they find you dead?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Draw a circle around the border of the swelling and write down the time.
Write down all the things you're experiencing that are not normal.
tom papa
So now we have pens on us?
joe rogan
Yeah, we have markers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Examples are metallic taste in your mouth, changes to your sense of smell, sudden loss of vision, double vision, visual disturbances, ringing in the ears, headache, nausea, and vomiting, bleeding from anywhere, dizziness, shortness of breath, etc.
tom papa
Yeah, we know it's bad.
joe rogan
That's not good.
tom papa
Oh, down there, make contact via cell phone.
If this is not possible, walk slowly to get help.
That's the key.
joe rogan
Drink some water and take some calories if you have any.
tom papa
Some snakebite victims walk several miles after serious snakebites to their legs.
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay, they make it out fine.
tom papa
So I should have hiked out.
joe rogan
They make it out to medical care.
Yeah, you hike out.
tom papa
So hike out.
Don't be a pussy.
joe rogan
Man the fuck up.
You kill that cunt of a snake, that evil serpent.
Look at that serpent.
tom papa
How did you kill it?
You just stomped on it?
joe rogan
Stomped on his head.
tom papa
His head?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That's where the bitey part comes from.
joe rogan
If you're faster than the bitey part, stomp him.
I got a good sidekick.
tom papa
You were not wearing flip-flops.
joe rogan
No.
No, I think I was wearing trail sneakers.
tom papa
Alright.
It's got a little something to him.
joe rogan
A little grip.
It was a dumb move.
You shouldn't do it.
I wouldn't recommend it.
I would probably never do it again, but in the moment it was the thing to do.
tom papa
I like that you just thought, I have a shot here.
I'm going to take it.
joe rogan
It was predatory instincts.
I was like, this motherfucker's sleeping on me.
He does not think I'm going to stomp him.
tom papa
I have to stomp them.
This is good Memorial Weekend stuff to wear.
joe rogan
Things to bring in your trail.
tom papa
A phone and a Sharpie.
Well, I always have that with me in case people want autographs.
joe rogan
It's a good move.
I'm thinking about getting some snake boots.
Jamie, pull up snake boots, because I'm looking at some snake boots.
tom papa
If they're thigh-high, I'm walking out.
joe rogan
I will stomp the fuck out of every snake I see if I get some thigh-high Wonder Woman style.
tom papa
Hey, Tom, you want to come stomping this weekend?
We're going snake-stopping.
joe rogan
Snake boots.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
What if it gets you right above that and you feel like such a fucking idiot because you're walking around?
tom papa
Yeah, these go about like up to your knee.
joe rogan
What are those cowboy-boot-looking ones with the red?
Are those like Kevlar on the side of them?
Click on that bitch.
tom papa
Chippewa.
Chippewa boots.
I could see you in that with a big red hat.
joe rogan
Give yourself a girl on FarmersOnly.com.
unidentified
You don't have to be lonely at FarmersOnly.com.
tom papa
I don't know what to do if I get bit by a snake.
joe rogan
I want a gal who knows how to catch a bass.
This 17-inch boot has a brown leather foot and cordura top to allow for breathing.
There's also a Goodyear leather welt.
What's a welt?
The bottom, I guess?
Cushioned insoles and leather line.
Don't get caught by a snake without a pair.
The leader in snake-proof boot business become the standard of quality and durability that will support the hunter in reptile-infested areas.
tom papa
Merry Christmas, honey.
I got you something.
joe rogan
I guess most of the time they probably just bite straight ahead, right?
These things probably work.
tom papa
Yeah, look at that one.
Where do these people live that they need these?
unidentified
Freaky bitch.
joe rogan
She's got over-the-knee snake-proof boots.
She's got snake-proof stilettos that look like a snake.
That's just vicious.
tom papa
Are you looking for a blowjob in a bass boat?
Farmers on the dock.
joe rogan
You don't have to be lonely.
Like, could you imagine if you were wearing those stupid looking boots and that fucking snake lunged forward and you saw the teeth, you're like, this cunt is going to get me right above the boot.
And bam, he locks onto your kneecap and fills it up with hot venom.
You have to look in his fucking reptilian ancient eyes.
His heartless, soulless eyes as he pumps his toxin into your fucking bloodstream.
And you're still wearing those stupid boots.
tom papa
You looking for a handjob in a motorboat?
unidentified
You don't have to be lonely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How much sex has ever happened in those boats in Florida with the fans?
The giant fans.
Look at that.
tom papa
Look at the snake.
joe rogan
It's biting you.
I'm biting you.
tom papa
Those are cool.
But where are these people hiking all the time that they're getting so many rattlers?
joe rogan
Dude, up here.
You go up in the hills right above the studio, man.
There's fucking snakes all over the place.
tom papa
The point of wearing these boots?
joe rogan
If you're a guy who has to do it all the time...
If you're a person that's up there all the time, I would recommend them.
Okay, let's find out.
Where do most people get bitten by snakes?
What part of the body do most people get bitten by snakes?
tom papa
Oh, part of the body.
I thought you were a fucking city.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
I was going to say St. Louis.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet it's the calf.
Like the calf area.
Shin calf area.
It makes sense, right?
tom papa
You looking for a handjob in a haystack?
jamie vernon
It's greater than 90% happen on the leg.
tom papa
On the leg, yeah.
They're low.
They're ground creatures.
They're not flying around.
joe rogan
What if you have good Muay Thai and you have good leg checks and you get those knees up high, you see a thing coming, you check it.
tom papa
Yeah.
I bet none of those guys have gotten hit by snake.
joe rogan
I bet none of them.
They're fast.
Snake, they're not, you know, they're not that quick.
tom papa
They're springy.
joe rogan
The real problem is if you startle them.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's where it's really fucked up, if you startle them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
That's what I did.
joe rogan
The thing about a snake is that they have to come up in order to get you.
So if a snake is flat like that, like the snake that I saw, he was flat.
And I was like, oh, you're dead.
Like, you're not gonna be able to get up quick enough.
tom papa
Mine was coiled.
jamie vernon
This is what they call a strike height, and they can make it above some leather boots.
Some people are asking about if they can get Kevlar jeans so that they don't go through their jeans.
tom papa
That's a good move.
You don't have to wear snake-proof underpants.
unidentified
I want a snake-proof condom.
jamie vernon
Maybe the steel jeans that Michael Malice was talking about.
joe rogan
I doubt it.
This would probably help guide the venom right into your fucking leg.
Act as like a little slide.
tom papa
You want to do it doggy style at a blue collar concert?
joe rogan
At a state fair?
How about a state fair?
State fairs are odd, man.
tom papa
They're really weird.
joe rogan
If you see a band at a state fair...
Even if there's a lot of people at the State Fair, the caveat is always that there's a State Fair.
jamie vernon
You know?
tom papa
At the State Fair, yeah.
joe rogan
I go to see Ted Nugent at the State Fair.
Probably packed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Uncle Ted's here!
Woo!
tom papa
I once got an offer when I was first starting as a comic to do...
The offer was, you would drive a van with all the stuff for the stage in it to the state fair, help the crew build the stage, load everything onto the stage and stuff, and then you drive...
At the end of the show, you do a little comedy, host a little, and then you drive to the next...
You break down the stage, load it up, then you drive to the next city.
And the routing was like...
Starts in Buffalo.
Next night, Phoenix.
Next night, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Then Rochester.
Then back to Tucson, Arizona.
I was like, I said to my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, we should just get on the motorcycle and just drive all these places without these state fair shows.
joe rogan
Yeah, did it pay money?
tom papa
Yeah, and then they'd pay you.
joe rogan
But not much, right?
tom papa
That was terrible.
So we ended up, that's what we did.
We took the motorcycle and went for five weeks all around the U.S. On a motorcycle?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a pretty gangster move, man.
tom papa
It was gangster.
We'd only been dating for like six months.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a show a gal you care.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a good show a gal you care move.
You're really invested.
tom papa
We got back from that.
We were like, alright, I guess we'll get married because that went well.
joe rogan
That's Bill Murray's advice.
Bill Murray says if you're thinking about marrying someone, travel the world with them.
tom papa
Yeah!
joe rogan
You'll be hot and miserable.
You'll find out what they're really all about.
tom papa
Absolutely.
I've lost some friends who we went on vacations with.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They fall apart on you?
tom papa
Yeah, they get shitty.
They can't go with the flow.
They get all pissy, you know, because...
The car didn't show up or you missed the train.
It's a little stressful when you travel.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is a problem with some people, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just don't know how to keep it together when things aren't going the best.
tom papa
They're pissy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That Hannity move when he's like, really, Ted?
Really?
No, that's sad.
That guy.
You don't want to travel with that guy.
joe rogan
He's a silly boy.
tom papa
You just get pissy.
That kind of like the kid who's been picked on kind of thing.
joe rogan
But you know what the problem with those guys is?
There's many problems.
But one of the big problems is they're always in combat.
They're always fighting.
They're always forcing their opinions, they're always pushing their opinions with a lot of energy and emphasis, and they're always resisting anything that is contrary to their opinions, never considering them, never going over it, like really objectively.
It's always this, which is a natural, that natural knee-jerk reaction that all of us are subjected to.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're all subject to that kind of unfortunate defense of our ideas, our initial idea.
tom papa
There's a book, I do not know the name, I'll find out and post it, but that my friend read and he's conservative.
And it's basically about that.
It's how to take, hear something, recognize what your initial knee-jerk reaction is because of where you stand and what you believe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And evaluate it.
And give yourself a beat to say, wait, maybe I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And try and work your way around the argument.
And he really believes in this book.
It's like, we're so all naturally set for these trigger words.
Like, you hear Hannity, or you hear Trump, or you hear Hillary, or you hear Clintons and...
Everybody has their preconceived beliefs, so you just back up whatever those stories are.
And this book is about breaking that down and trying to be more open and more logical.
joe rogan
I've definitely tried to work on that a lot during my time that I've been doing the podcast.
I've gotten way better at it.
I'm definitely not the best at it, but it's something I'm way better at now than I was when I first started doing the podcast.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, because you realize how much it gets in the way of a good conversation.
Yeah.
It gets in the way of understanding how other people think.
Sometimes you have to dig your heels in and defend your position because you think the other person is being illogical.
And that's okay too, but I think it's also important to look at what someone else is saying and try to see if it makes any sense at all.
And it might not.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But give it a chance.
tom papa
Give it a chance.
joe rogan
Give it a chance.
tom papa
Yeah, no, that's great.
joe rogan
I try to just, like, look at someone from someone else's point of view.
I try to go, okay, so explain it.
Like, where are you coming from?
I try to do it with no judgment.
I try to just, like, really get into their head.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
So when you do take opinions and you do analyze it and come down and say, you know, X is wrong, I believe X is wrong, do you...
Read your Twitter feed.
Because it seems like anytime you're in something public and you side anyway, you know, one issue and you go this way or that way, you're getting attacked.
Do you have that?
joe rogan
You would definitely have that.
Yeah, I've got that.
tom papa
And do you take it to heart, or you're just like, no, these people just exist, and that's just the way it is?
joe rogan
I mean, I analyze myself.
I mean, I'll listen to some of it, if it's valid.
I know, I definitely know I've fucked up before.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
And when I have fucked up before, I've read things that people said that it didn't feel good to read it, but I knew that they were probably right.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And so, you just...
You know, when you're doing a live show, and you're just kind of free-balling the whole time.
Yeah, and it's comedy.
Sometimes it's comedy, and sometimes it gets heated, and sometimes there's booze involved.
There's a lot of those.
But, you know, I mean, it's just, are you trying to get better all the time?
Are you trying to do it better?
And if you are, this is just a part of the process.
And there's value in feedback.
But there's also, you have to understand, like, how many people with...
How many people are just trolling you?
How many people don't like you for whatever reason?
I've gone to people's pages, they'll say something insulting, and you go to their page, and it's just them insulting everybody.
tom papa
Right, I know.
joe rogan
Everybody they can.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
There's some people that choose to do that with their time, and hey, this is America, you're allowed to do that.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think, overall, the more time goes on, the less I spend looking at any of that shit, the better off I am.
So I'm less likely to look at that shit now than I ever have before.
tom papa
Yeah.
It's just, yeah, because like you say, some of it you want to see and it is good feedback and there is a good rapport.
And then other people are just like, they make it almost impossible to find the good ones because it's just because you said one word.
Yeah.
We're comedians.
We're just curious people.
We're always trying to figure stuff out.
We're very similar in that we're not down on any one side, any one team.
We're really trying to figure out life and trying to figure things out.
So you're allowed to try and be like, I don't think this is right, or I don't think that's right.
But the...
Teams, people from the teams, just pounce.
Well, you can't think that way.
Well, I'm trying to figure it out.
I don't know if this is an oil grab.
I don't know if this is real news.
joe rogan
But don't you think that's also what makes social media and interaction with people so interesting, is that people can throw their opinion into the ring.
Throw their hat into the ring, as it were.
They read something that you say, or they heard something that you said in a clip, and then they argue with you about it.
tom papa
If it's a...
A smart argument.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Not just a knee-jerk, you know, I hope you die because you said that.
You know what I mean?
You'd love to, you know.
I mean, that's some of the best conversations you can have are when you don't agree with somebody, and you're just kind of like going back, and it can get heated, but it's not insulting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That's the big key.
joe rogan
And it's also when you explore why you believe something and I believe something different and you go back and forth over it, if you do do it respectful and you do get to understand where that person's coming from, sometimes it makes it even more obvious to everybody listening and to you that they're wrong.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or that you're wrong.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Whatever the fucking honest answer is, it gets sort of illuminated.
And it doesn't get illuminated when you get locked up in this battle.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's people that will form sides.
But if you can get to the objective battle, okay, what makes you believe that that is true?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then they tell you, and you go, well, that is actually not true.
Let's find the facts.
Or, I didn't know that.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Now I'm looking at my initial position differently.
And don't be married to that initial position.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's just an opinion.
But opinions, to us, are almost like markers of our self-esteem.
If you can't defend that position, then you fucked up initially, and you're flawed.
So people dig in, and they try to defend that position, even when they know it logically, it doesn't make sense.
It's like they get married to it.
tom papa
And even if you're with somebody, and you're engaged, and you're having this real back and forth about something, and you both are dealing with the facts...
But you still have your opinion that, no, I'm still siding with this way and I'm siding with that way.
You can still respect each other.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's when you go, when it becomes this personal insult is where you lose it.
Right?
I mean, I know people in my family, people, you know, that I work with, whatever, who have total different views, vote differently, act differently, do whatever.
But I love them.
They're just great people.
And you can't...
You shouldn't have to dissolve relationships because of a political point of view about a certain issue.
That's what's so great.
My whole family was like, my grandfather was hard right, my uncle was hard left, and they would argue and fight, but they loved each other and everybody kind of got along and just ate their potatoes after the argument.
joe rogan
Some people can't do that, right?
Some people, if you don't agree with them, you can't hang out with them.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
About everything.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then some people will have these crazy arguments where you can't be right or wrong.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Like climate change.
How many people have you talked to that would just go hard one way or the other on climate change?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then when you start talking to them about it, Like you actually ask them, what makes you think that climate change is just a cycle and that human beings are not involved in it?
Well, it's been shown that a lot of the data has been hoaxed and a lot of the...
And then if you just go deeper, deeper, deeper down the rabbit hole, you find out they haven't looked into it that much.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Very few people arguing pro or against man-made climate change have really looked into it.
Most people are just sort of taking the consensus view that they hear from scientists or from pundits or from people in the news.
And if you're on the left, you're most likely thinking that we're in deep trouble.
And if you're on the right, you're more likely to dismiss it.
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, that's why back to why we need grownups to like control some of the news and give you facts so you can kind of decide stuff.
It's because you don't have the time to research climate change on your own.
You've got kids, you've got a dog that's got a, wants you to whack off with your foot.
There's a lot going on in your life.
So you depend on others who are really, who are invested in giving you the right information.
joe rogan
So what do you do?
Do you tell them that they have to just say, like, okay, if you're going to call something in the news, should we have, like, a thing where you have to, like, meet a standard of ingredients?
Like, we looked at your ingredients, and you have trans fats in your news, and you have all this other bullshit.
Like, you can't sell this as food.
This is not news.
You can't make this food.
tom papa
It should be.
Yeah, it should be.
Because, like, for Hannity to say, I'm a talk show host, that's fine.
More power to you.
But then there should be a thing, a little logo up in the corner that says, Opinion Show, like a little O. And then there should be an N on the top of the whatever show that's just giving you facts for the day.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The problem really is calling it a news network and having opinion people on a news network.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But that's the same with Anderson Cooper when he's rolling his eyes at Kellyanne Conway.
That's the same shit.
tom papa
It's the same stuff, right?
joe rogan
It's the same shit he's just doing on the other side.
And maybe he's correct that what she's saying is ridiculous, but he's clearly editorializing by doing that.
tom papa
Yes, it's all opinion shows, you know?
And then you need somebody...
joe rogan
Don Lemon.
tom papa
You need Ted Koppel to just sit there with his little face and just give you the boring news and put an N on it.
joe rogan
And when he goes on opinion shows, he lets them know.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's letting these guys know, like, hey, you're ruining everything.
tom papa
Yeah.
I don't have time to watch anything, frankly.
joe rogan
Good for you.
But where do you get your news?
Do you just read articles?
tom papa
I read, uh, yeah.
I mean, stuff pops up on my phone.
joe rogan
Read the Times?
tom papa
I read the Times.
I get the Times delivered every day.
joe rogan
Look at you, like a real man.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you have toast?
Gentleman's toast?
tom papa
Yes, I do.
The gentleman's breakfast.
joe rogan
Gentleman's breakfast and you eat the...
tom papa
Van Gogh is this great...
joe rogan
Painter?
tom papa
The painter?
Has this great...
Had this great quote about what it takes to do good work.
And you have to have...
You have to have your...
You smoke your pipe.
Have a fling once in a while.
Something like...
And have a moment to yourself to have coffee.
To have your coffee by yourself.
And I really try and carve that out every day.
It's not going to make me Van Gogh, but I really believe those things.
To just sit with your coffee for a couple minutes and just in peace, just have that.
joe rogan
Those moments, like even when you're talking about making your bread, those moments make you more of a person, those moments of thought and careful consideration of what you're doing, relaxation.
tom papa
You sitting there and eating the bread, just having a slice of toast and a coffee and just sit for 10 minutes before you embark on whatever madness you're going to do for the day.
joe rogan
Those moments are important.
It's one of the big rituals for backcountry hunters, bringing coffee.
Guys will, you know, weight is a very big thing when you're backcountry hunting and hiking.
Like when these guys go deep into the backcountry, you know, there are several miles deep into the woods.
tom papa
Yeah, I used to do it all the time.
joe rogan
And a lot of guys will bring like a little jet boil and packets of coffee, and they'll cook up some hot water, and they'll sit together, and they'll have a moment to be a person again.
And sit down, let's have a cup of coffee.
tom papa
Interesting.
joe rogan
And they'll use these little plastic cups, and they pour their coffee, and they're sitting there drinking on the side of the mountain.
And then they feel like, oh, I've got a moment of pleasure, a moment of relaxation.
tom papa
Important.
And there's other stuff they didn't put in the packs just so they could have that.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Well, they just carry that extra weight, especially the jet boil.
Jet boil's probably like a pound or so.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're carrying water anyway, so you're just boiling that water, and you pour in those.
You know, they have those Starbucks little Virtu, I think they're called.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
unidentified
What are those Starbucks little packets called?
joe rogan
What is it called?
jamie vernon
The Verismo?
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
Verismo?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's just like...
tom papa
Yeah, like a little pack of instant coffee.
joe rogan
Why do you think it was a Virtu?
What is a Virtu?
That's a something, right?
It's like electronic or some shit.
But yeah, whatever those Starbucks...
Those Starbucks Instants are really good.
tom papa
Yeah, they are good.
joe rogan
I mean, it tastes like real coffee.
They figured out how to do it now.
tom papa
I used to make my shitty New York apartment.
Did you?
Yeah, because they didn't have a good coffee maker.
I was like, this will do me well.
joe rogan
Dude, if you want to make coffee, if you're at home, all you need is a French press.
That is the way to go.
That's the way to go.
tom papa
It is the best.
It's a little mucky cleanup.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
It's worth the step.
But it's a few steps.
But the oils from the coffee.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're a person who enjoys the actual flavor of coffee.
Love it.
Me too.
tom papa
No milk, no nothing.
Just give it to me.
joe rogan
Like a man.
Like a man.
That's why I drink it these days.
unidentified
It's the best.
joe rogan
And I get way less complaints on the podcast about me clearing my throat.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
I was a problem before.
tom papa
Why?
Because you had stuff in the coffee?
joe rogan
I drank the bulletproof coffee with the butter and the MCT oil.
tom papa
And it was making you phlegmy?
joe rogan
That butter coffee makes you super phlegmy.
I'd be like...
tom papa
What am I drinking here?
joe rogan
Black coffee.
tom papa
Just black coffee.
joe rogan
Caveman coffee.
tom papa
It's the best.
joe rogan
Sabertooth roast.
tom papa
It's really good.
joe rogan
It's goddamn savage.
It's good.
tom papa
No, those moments are really important in life.
I really believe those little quiet things that have been passed on.
If things have been around for thousands of years and people have figured it out, the cocktail hour, the quiet moment before bed or in the morning when you're having your coffee, those things are figured out for a reason.
Have figured out this is the way to live.
joe rogan
It really is.
It really is the way to live.
And if you can pull it off...
tom papa
And they're so small and they're so deep and they're so valuable.
You know what I mean?
It's not a giant trip to Vegas.
It's not, oh, I've got to make a million dollars.
It's sitting with your pipe and a coffee.
That simple little thing is so much better for your soul than all this giant stuff that we end up chasing.
Small.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was interviewing Dr. Robert Sapolsky yesterday, a famous scientist, and one of the things I was doing was going over some of his work, listening to some of his previous interviews and reading some of his articles and stuff, and he had this thing about meditation.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
And essentially, one of the things that he was saying about meditation is, like, it can be effective, but you have to do it all the time.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's not something you can do once a week.
Meditation is something that should become a daily part of your routine, and then it'll help you mitigate stress.
tom papa
Does it take twice a day, or can you do it once a day?
joe rogan
He didn't specify.
He was talking about all the different forms that it takes, too.
There's a bunch of different kinds, and there's not necessarily one that works best.
But I think that what you're doing when you're making your bread, I think that's a meditation.
I really do.
tom papa
Yeah, in a way.
It's not like when I really meditate and you sit for 20 minutes and it slows your heart rate.
And you're not asleep.
It actually calms you deeper than sleep.
joe rogan
I used to, and I still do, call martial arts moving meditation.
Because martial arts make you think so much about the movements and about what you're doing.
So much intensity and so much danger involved in them that they make you have very singular focus.
And then in that singular focus, there's some sort of a cleansing that happens with your mind.
It's like by just going hard at these things, it relieves stress in a way.
tom papa
Completely.
That uber-focus on anything, right?
When I had a motorcycle, and my father still does it, and it's his thing.
I have comedy and other things to put my mind into.
But he still does it, and I get it.
I mean, when you're on that bike, it's your survival.
joe rogan
Where's your dad live?
tom papa
He lives in New York.
joe rogan
City?
tom papa
No, upstate New York.
joe rogan
So is he in a place where you could ride a bike and not worry about people being methed out?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Running you over while they're texting?
tom papa
But he goes everywhere.
He goes on these trips, like, excuse me, up all the way, mostly East Coast, but he's done all of Europe, he's done all of the U.S. You ever wipe out?
No.
joe rogan
Never wiped out?
tom papa
Never wiped out.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
How'd you do that?
You're the only guy I've ever heard of.
tom papa
Really?
I don't know.
I was uber safe as I could be.
You're still dependent on other people, but...
The only time I fell over was my wife and I pulled into a Days Inn in Kansas and we'd done a lot of highway, just straight hours just going.
And we pulled up to the Days Inn and the routine was we'd pull in at the end of the day and she would go in to check into the hotel and I would take care of the bike.
And we pulled into a Days Inn and she hopped off the bike and I just never took my feet off the pegs.
Because I was so tired.
And I just, like, Benny Hill just slowly tipped over to the side.
unidentified
Did you get hurt?
tom papa
No, the bar kind of caught it.
It'd just feel like a schnub.
joe rogan
That's pretty good.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
As far as, like, all the accidents?
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
I went with a couple of friends from Fear Factor.
We were all taking it at the same time.
Motorcycle safety course.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And while I was doing it, two people I know got in car accidents on motorcycles.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then one person I know saw a person get hit, saw someone space out on their phone, ran into some guy from behind, sent him flying through the air, just hit him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just bang.
tom papa
It's terrible.
I know.
I was lucky, but once I came out here, I had it in New York City for a long time, which was kind of manageable.
I would do spots.
Me and Greg Giraldo would go between clubs.
And it was night, so it was kind of a little more mellow, and it was alright.
But once I came out here, I was like, there's no way.
I just had kids, and my career was starting to go okay, and I'm like, there's too much to lose.
I mean, this place is nuts with driving as it is.
joe rogan
Everybody drives out here, too.
As opposed to in New York, those are professionals.
tom papa
That's right.
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
It's not that they're better at it, but, you know.
tom papa
But man, I was in San Francisco a couple weeks ago, and I went into a Ducati Triumph shop.
joe rogan
Oh!
tom papa
God, it made me want to shit back on.
Oh, they're so beautiful.
joe rogan
I've never ridden a Ducati, but I stared at a bunch of them.
tom papa
And these are the touring ones.
I wasn't even interested in the real crotch rocket.
They've got these touring ones that are so beautiful.
Badass.
joe rogan
Ducatis have a cool sound to them, too.
tom papa
They really do.
Very distinct.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, I do miss it, for sure.
joe rogan
Look at those fucking things.
tom papa
Yeah, the new Triumphs.
They're made to look like the old Triumphs.
joe rogan
Damn, those look great.
tom papa
I know.
Looks like so much fun.
joe rogan
So much fun.
Look at that fucking bike.
That's a Bucati with the double tailpipes.
tom papa
Oh my god.
How could you not want to just leave everybody and just go?
joe rogan
It's probably so fun.
And now apparently those things kind of have like self-balancing properties to them.
tom papa
Really?
Like gyros?
joe rogan
Well, they have like traction control, some of them do now.
And there was one that Jamie showed that some bike from the future that holds itself up.
Was that a BMW? Is that who made it?
There's some new BMW bike that doesn't look like any bike you've ever seen before.
It looks like some total Tron shit, some space-age shit.
And this bike is, I think it's right, it's a concept right now.
Go full screen so we can look at this shit.
unidentified
Yeah, what BMW is doing is pretty.
joe rogan
If this happens, Jamie was saying you don't need a helmet.
jamie vernon
That's what they said.
tom papa
Oh really?
jamie vernon
I'm just repeating what they said.
joe rogan
So look at these goggles.
tom papa
Jamie's declared, you don't even need to wear clothes!
joe rogan
Look at the goggles they have on.
She's got these goggles that are like virtual reality headsets.
Go back so you can see those goggles before she puts them on.
Look at this.
Look at this fucking bike, man.
tom papa
It's gorgeous.
It looks like Tom Cruise in the...
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, so she can see the speedometer and everything comes through your vision.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look at that.
This is crazy.
tom papa
It's got big fat Batman tires.
That's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Dude, look.
It's got a navigation system.
It's showing on the goggles while she's riding around.
This is crazy.
tom papa
That's amazing.
Is this coming soon?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's ever coming, really.
It might be bullshit.
tom papa
No way.
All this stuff always comes out.
joe rogan
But watch.
She stands off of it, and it stays up on its own.
unidentified
It's like a gyroscope.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
Of course it's coming.
joe rogan
But she doesn't have a helmet on.
tom papa
And look how hot she is!
unidentified
She's so hot.
tom papa
She totally would be with me.
joe rogan
Do you think it makes you hotter?
Makes you hotter when you're on a bike like that?
tom papa
Oh my god.
I follow on Instagram.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
It's a Batman bike.
tom papa
I think it's motor A-list.
Fuck.
It's just beautiful girls on these old vintage bikes.
It's the sexiest thing I've ever seen.
joe rogan
But look at that.
She doesn't even have to balance it.
It balances itself like one of those scooters.
unidentified
No, because she's so hot!
tom papa
Because she's so hot!
joe rogan
It's her pussy.
tom papa
It's her pussy gyroscope.
joe rogan
It's got such a gravitational force that the whole thing, I stay centered.
tom papa
She's so hot.
You put a girl on a bike, it's hot.
You know, if you put a girl in a place where you don't expect, she goes up and...
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
Right?
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
Girl on a golf course?
joe rogan
Girl at a boxing gym with her hair pulled back.
tom papa
Oh my God.
A girl on a crew with just a tool belt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Girl on a golf course.
tom papa
Yeah.
They go up.
It's always fat guys.
joe rogan
Right.
Do you think a girl on a golf course is just looking for dick?
Or do you think they actually like golf?
tom papa
Some can really play.
joe rogan
You're really entertaining my question.
tom papa
Well, it takes all types, right?
joe rogan
Real consideration.
Hmm.
Probably all of us looking for dick.
unidentified
All of them.
jamie vernon
They can't possibly like it.
joe rogan
It's like guys playing with dolls.
Do you really like to play with dolls?
tom papa
Yeah.
No, if you're out there on the links playing, she can play.
jamie vernon
Shout out, ladies.
tom papa
But I've seen some girls that couldn't play at all who were just flirting with guys at the driving range.
joe rogan
What are you showing me here, Jamie?
jamie vernon
She's like the hottest, arguably, female golfer.
She's got a million followers on Instagram.
joe rogan
Of course she does.
She's a female golfer and she's showing her butt.
Imagine if that was a male golfer standing like that.
Back up one.
Okay, male golfer standing like that.
Show's over, fella.
It's over, okay?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But she can do that.
She can stick her butt at you.
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, you got to work with what you got.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure she's got more than that, you son of a bitch.
tom papa
No, she's talented.
joe rogan
You're so sexist.
I can't even believe you, my friend.
What's going on here?
tom papa
She's a killer.
joe rogan
She's got her tits hanging out, and she's wearing a little tiny skirt.
tom papa
You got to work with what you got.
joe rogan
How come dudes don't dress like that when they hit balls?
Seems weird.
tom papa
Because we don't have those bodies.
Our bodies are gross.
joe rogan
If our bodies looked like that, if we were sleek and thin, we'd be okay?
tom papa
If we were sleek, thin, smooth, hairless.
unidentified
Smooth.
Ah.
joe rogan
Not offensive.
No appendages dangling.
tom papa
Yeah, no disgusting.
joe rogan
Nothing gross.
tom papa
Gross.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Hairs coming everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, everywhere.
Ugh.
I got hairs in my ears now.
I have to shave them.
It's a new thing.
As I get older, I get hairier.
Like, I have neck hair now, back of the neck hair.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ear hair, nose hair.
tom papa
I'm covered.
I'm like a bear.
joe rogan
Except where we want it.
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
I had a barber, an old Italian barber, who shaved my ears when I was 15. Whoa.
He took shaving stuff and put it on my ears and shaved them.
joe rogan
Straight razor?
tom papa
Yeah.
And ever since then, just weeds growing out of the back of my ears.
Yeah, it totally worked that way.
joe rogan
I think it just grew that way anyway.
tom papa
No!
joe rogan
That's why he was shaving your ears at 15. Most kids don't have to get their fucking ears shaved at 15. You're a goddamn little wolf boy.
Like Michael J. Fox in that movie.
tom papa
Yeah, but it was soft little fluffy hair.
Now it's like cactus.
joe rogan
I don't think it works that way, man.
I don't think like when you shave it, it doesn't grow back thicker.
I think that's a myth.
tom papa
I don't think that's true.
I think it definitely grows back thicker.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think it does, man.
jamie vernon
I think this came up the other day.
I don't know if it was on here or if I saw it, but yeah.
tom papa
It definitely grows back thicker.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure it's a myth.
tom papa
When my wife started shaving her mustache, now it...
unidentified
Her pussy's a jungle!
joe rogan
But it's a war we will win every day.
We hack away.
tom papa
I've got a trimmer that goes inside the ear and up the nose.
I've got a thing I shave with my regular razor.
As I'm shaving my face, I shave the back of my ears.
I'm a hairy mess.
joe rogan
Sometimes when I'm driving in my car, I'll grab a finger full of nose hairs and I'll yank them out by the roots.
tom papa
Feels good.
joe rogan
It's very satisfying when I look and I see a bunch of hairs that I pulled out of my nose.
tom papa
You've got to get a trimmer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know I do, but sometimes I can grab them.
I just like to grab them.
tom papa
My one part of my back is hairier than the other side?
joe rogan
Fact or fiction.
If you shave or wax, your hair will come back thicker.
And it may look that way, but looks can be very deceiving.
tom papa
I don't believe this science.
joe rogan
Bullshit with the fucking Scientific America.
Bunch of liberal nonsense.
That is simply not so.
There are several reasons that the myth continues to flourish.
One is the limitation of human perception.
People are just not very good observers, but there is no science, just no science behind hair growing back thicker, says Amy McMichael.
First of all, it's a girl.
tom papa
Yeah, where's she know?
joe rogan
Chair of the Department of Dermatology at Wake Forest Baptist Health.
We're just kidding, Amy.
I'm sure you know a lot more than me.
There's also the power of coincidence.
Indeed, pervasive myths, if a young boy shaves his mustache, it will grow back thicker, are grounded in a kernel of truth.
It might, but that's because the shaving may overlap with the timing of natural hormonal fluctuations in his body that are developing his adult facial hair, not because of his hair removal.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Body hair grows at different times and at different rates for everybody.
Case closed, Papa.
tom papa
I had little fuzzies on my ears and now I have cactus barbs that hurt my wife in our sleep.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
I'm a hairy mess.
I had a birthmark on my left side of my back when I was young and it faded.
But what's remained is hair.
So my right side is not very hairy.
It has some hair.
But this side is just like a jungle.
A patch.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
I used to have a song for it when I was in high school.
joe rogan
What was it?
tom papa
Sammy on my back.
Sammy on my back.
What you doing there with all that hair?
Sammy.
joe rogan
You got a name for it?
It was Sammy?
Why did you call it Sammy?
tom papa
One of my friends named it.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
Sammy on my back.
joe rogan
Some weird fucking photo album they jerk off to.
unidentified
What you doing there with all that hair?
tom papa
Sammy.
joe rogan
And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, we just did another three hours.
tom papa
We did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's the best show ever.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
How the fuck does that happen?
It's 4.30 already.
unidentified
Um...
joe rogan
Dom Popo.
unidentified
Do you...
tom papa
So when you're home enjoying my bread over Memorial Day weekend...
joe rogan
I smell it already.
tom papa
Will I be enjoying any gift from you?
joe rogan
I have elk for you, sir.
The elk!
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Mighty.
joe rogan
I have also purchased a new commercial-sized Yoder pellet smoker and I will be cooking from the new location.
So next time we do Fight Companion or maybe next time you and I do a podcast, we will sit down to a meal that I will cook before you ever get here.
So we'll have a meal and we'll put some cameras on us and we'll talk some shit while we're eating a nice, delicious, wild game dinner.
tom papa
I will bring the wine and the cigars.
joe rogan
Come on.
Dinner with Joe and Tom.
tom papa
Dinner for two.
joe rogan
And you bring bread and we'll have some gentleman's butter.
What is it?
Gentleman's breakfast.
tom papa
Three cigars.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Bottle of wine.
joe rogan
That's done.
tom papa
Done.
joe rogan
We're done.
It's a great idea.
So I have this.
It's a Yoder.
Pull this up.
It's a Yoder 1500. I got one so I could cook for like six, seven people at a time.
tom papa
Perfect.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I got it.
It's a big ass.
tom papa
Never heard of this.
joe rogan
Well, I'm a big fan of these pellet smokers.
And what I like about these Yoders is...
This is, by the way, not an endorsement.
I paid full price for this thing.
Didn't ask for...
That looks cool.
It's not a sponsorship.
tom papa
It's big.
joe rogan
It's just a dope pellet smoker.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
It's made in America.
tom papa
What do you keep...
What's pellet?
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
tom papa
What do you mean pellet?
joe rogan
It works on pellets, meaning hardwood pellets.
So what they do is they take, you know, when a lumberyard cuts up like maple or oak or some hardwood, they take the pellets, they take rather the sawdust, and they compress it, and the natural sugars compress Down into pellets and the pellets hold together and they pour these pellets in a hopper and the hopper feeds into a worm drive that feeds to a heating element.
So it keeps it at a very consistent temperature.
tom papa
How do you light it?
joe rogan
Well, it lights itself.
tom papa
Just a switch?
joe rogan
Yeah.
See it like that?
tom papa
That's great.
joe rogan
That's what it looks like.
And if you...
Jamie, see if you can find like...
unidentified
That's badass.
joe rogan
Oh, it's dope.
I love these things.
And there's another company called Traeger that just came out with a really super high-tech one that's thick and insulated like a Yeti cooler.
It's like their best model yet.
And you can control it with an app.
And it has digital thermometers that are built into it so you can tell the temperature, your food.
tom papa
What's your signature dish off of this thing?
joe rogan
Well, mostly I eat wild game because I try to shoot an elk a year, which is like 400 pounds of meat plus.
I give away a lot of it.
tom papa
Really?
400 pounds?
joe rogan
But I'd say I have 400 pounds of meat.
But this year was a good year.
I shot two deer.
I shot a pig.
I shot an elk.
So I shot a lot of animals this year.
So I've got a lot of good food.
tom papa
Do you have a big fridge at the house?
joe rogan
I have two commercial freezers in the back here.
And I have two more commercial freezers at home.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
That's badass.
joe rogan
But I gave away a lot of food to my friends.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm very proud.
I gave food to Duncan Trussell.
I gave elk to Gary Clark Jr. Oh, yeah?
One of the greatest guitarists of all time.
Ate my meat.
tom papa
Yeah, that's great.
joe rogan
Sounded wrong.
tom papa
You're a real groupie.
joe rogan
Yeah, so Traeger has this new one.
The Timberline, that's it.
tom papa
That's a good one.
joe rogan
The Timberline is their new one.
And this new one, you could see, it has this crazy convection oven cycling of the smoke.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
And the Traeger's got this really thick door.
My friend John Dudley has one of these.
I think there's some sort of a discount that you can get if you want to buy one with his, I don't know.
tom papa
I have a gas grill, and you just don't get that...
joe rogan
Not the same.
tom papa
It's not the same.
joe rogan
Not the same.
This is no gas.
This is just wood.
See, the pellets, there's no chemicals in it.
tom papa
Oh, so there's no gas line or anything?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
It's just electricity heats up that heating element, and there's a fan that blows air on the wood chips while they're getting cooked, and then it's just smoke.
Smoke and heat that cooks the food.
Dude, I am...
I am sold.
There's another company, a really good company, called Green Mountain Grills.
They actually gave me a grill back in the day.
They were the first ones I'd ever tried.
Those are excellent, too, and you can get a good one that's not even too expensive.
Camp Chef has another really nice one, too.
So I'm not trying to tell anybody to buy anything, but I'm saying if you're thinking about getting a grill, I would look into one of these pellet grills.
tom papa
Yeah, that's pretty badass.
joe rogan
Well, they're super easy to use, too.
You just pour the pellets into this hopper, and then you set the temperature.
tom papa
How often do you have to refresh the pellets?
joe rogan
Dude, they're so economical.
They last a long time?
Because they keep the exact right temperature, or real close to it, within a few degrees up or down.
The hopper, I fill it up every four or five cooks.
And if that was charcoal, it would last for one cook.
That's what it looks like.
See those things?
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It looks like some sort of a brand cereal, right?
Doesn't it?
tom papa
Yeah, it looks like gerbil food.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So what it is is just hardwood sawdust, and they just smush it.
And the natural sugars make it stick together.
Because you could break it up with your fingers.
Oh, you could?
Yeah, you break it up easy.
So you pour it into the hopper.
It grinds down.
See that worm drive below?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it feeds down to that thing on the right, which is where the heating element is.
And so it just catches fire, and then the flames make smoke, and then it fills up that chamber, and the heat comes from the smoke.
tom papa
So when you put an elk steak or something on there, Can you cook it, like, in just a couple minutes, or is everything just smoked slow?
joe rogan
No, it takes a long time.
The way I do it now, I've done it a bunch of different ways, and all of them are delicious.
Like, elk is my favorite meat.
It's a delicious, really healthy meat.
But my favorite way to do it now, because of this guy, Chad, Whiskey Bent Barbecue on Instagram, was my friend John Dudley's buddy, who's a world champion pitmaster.
Like, one of those bad motherfuckers.
Grill guys.
He says, don't ever cook meat above 275 degrees.
He says, when you're cooking, you should cook it slowly and don't allow the meat to dry out and use a meat thermometer.
So since I started doing that, I've been very happy with the results.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because I get it to 130, 135 degrees, somewhere around there.
Then I pull it and then I reverse sear it.
The way I do it is on a frying pan.
I use butter in a frying pan with some garlic and I sear that shit out of it on each side real quick, like 30 seconds, 40 seconds.
tom papa
So you bring it into the house?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bring it to the house, then...
I get even crazier.
Then I wrap it up with aluminum foil, and I put it in a Yeti cooler, and I seal it up for 15 minutes.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, let it slowly keep cooking, because real slow, cool down.
And then I open it up, and I let it sit for another 10 minutes.
And then I slice into that bed.
tom papa
So what should I do with the gas grill?
joe rogan
We'll talk.
unidentified
We'll talk.
joe rogan
Throw that thing in the fucking, give it to homeless people.
Throw it in the LA River.
tom papa
See?
This stuff is, when you can do something like that and you get good at it, right?
This is the bread thing.
It's like, you're in.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, for me, I love cooking.
I've always loved cooking.
And it's not...
There's a little bit of a manly thing that I like more with cooking with lump charcoal over a charcoal grill.
tom papa
The smell.
joe rogan
There's something very manly about the real fire thing.
tom papa
It's primal.
joe rogan
But honestly, as far as taste and as far as ease of use and repeatability, it's hard to fuck with these pellet grills.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're cooking with real wood fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It smells great.
It tastes great.
Like when you open the lid up, the smell of like maple and all the different, you know, you can buy a bunch of different like apple wood, all kinds of different cherry.
tom papa
So great.
joe rogan
You can buy all kinds of different pellets.
tom papa
I need a bigger yard.
joe rogan
They're not even that big, man.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
No.
And again, economical.
I know Green Mountain Grill.
Go to Green Mountain Grill.
They have a pretty small one that is only like a few hundred bucks.
And my mother-in-law has my old one.
It's great.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're fucking great, man.
It still works.
I've had it for years.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that one has a built-in thing.
It's called the Daniel Boone.
tom papa
You know, one thing I took off of your Instagram was the eggs and just throwing the kale on top of it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I love that.
tom papa
It's a lifesaver.
I mean, that's such a simple, great morning.
Oh, it's the best.
joe rogan
So easy.
What I do is I take some kale, I chop it up, and then I chop up some garlic, and usually I do jalapenos, too.
Then I get some butter cooking, I put the kale in the butter, I saute it, and once it really starts getting darker and it's ready to rock, I just crack a few eggs in there.
tom papa
On top of it.
joe rogan
Mix it all up, put it on a plate, and it's fantastic.
tom papa
You mix it up.
They look like they were sunny side up kind of.
joe rogan
Sometimes I do that too.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sometimes I just put the kale right next to the eggs.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But sometimes I cook the eggs in the kale.
tom papa
Yeah, I've just been throwing the kale on top of the eggs.
joe rogan
It's great too.
tom papa
It's great too.
joe rogan
Great.
Yeah, great too.
tom papa
So fast.
joe rogan
Yeah, super easy.
tom papa
The best.
What's this one?
jamie vernon
Have you tried one of these?
joe rogan
I have.
jamie vernon
I like those.
joe rogan
Those are great.
Sous Vide.
I don't think I have that one.
I have another one like it.
tom papa
What is that?
joe rogan
What you do is you vacuum seal your food in a plastic bag, and then you put it in a pot with water, and then the hot water, the thing will heat up the temperature of the water like 125 degrees.
My question would be, is the plastic leaching into your food?
They say it doesn't.
tom papa
It's a good question, though.
joe rogan
But how do we...
tom papa
I mean, you can't microwave plastic.
jamie vernon
If it's a certain temperature, maybe the plastic needs to hit a certain temperature to melt.
joe rogan
Well, they say you should never drink bottles that have been in your car in a hot day in L.A. I was wondering about that recently.
jamie vernon
I was just high and thinking about that.
Where did that story maybe come from?
Maybe the glass bottle water people are putting out false...
joe rogan
Is there a glass bottle water business?
jamie vernon
Yeah, Perrier and all those are all glass bottles.
joe rogan
Voss.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
There's a whole trend on it.
joe rogan
I think there's actual science behind it, though.
jamie vernon
I was just wondering.
I didn't look for it.
Conspiracy.
joe rogan
You were high.
That's what you were saying.
Seuss Veed is good.
I have actually a blowtorch that I do with Seuss Veed.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I do Seuss Veed, and then I cook the outside of it with a torch.
Yeah.
Because you get that brown on the outside.
I've done that.
But I don't prefer it.
I prefer the Traeger style Green Mountain Grill, Yoder Grill, those pellet grills.
Again, there's a bunch of different companies.
I'm not trying to endorse one.
I like Green Mountain Grill.
My friend John Dudley loves those Traegers.
But that new Traeger Timberline is pretty revolutionary.
And it's supposed to be amazing in its ability to insulate.
I think actually the best one, too, is another one called the Memphis.
Memphis Grill is supposed to be really good at that, too.
tom papa
Someone told me if you have a gas grill, to put a cast-iron pan on it and do your steak that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good move.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, to get that seared flavor from a cast-iron pan.
tom papa
And it's more even.
It gets a little more...
joe rogan
A lot of big time steak restaurants still use cast iron pans.
tom papa
Cast iron's pretty badass.
joe rogan
You know you get iron from it, too?
unidentified
Do you really?
joe rogan
You get dietary iron.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is crazy.
tom papa
You don't really have to clean them.
joe rogan
It's actually supposed to be good for you.
It's good to cook even vegetables.
Cooking vegetables in an iron pan, you get a little bit of iron.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That's good for my wife.
joe rogan
Is that true?
Make sure that's true.
tom papa
She's a little low iron.
joe rogan
I feel like I might be lying.
tom papa
No, I think you're right.
I've heard that.
unidentified
Who cares?
joe rogan
I do so many podcasts.
There's so many things that I've said that are not true.
tom papa
Of course.
joe rogan
I'm not trying to deceive you, folks.
tom papa
We're doing our best.
joe rogan
I'm doing my best.
tom papa
I am doing my best.
joe rogan
Tom Papa, where can these fine people see you perform your wonderful and magical stand-up comedy?
tom papa
I'm going to do some shows in Oakmont, Pennsylvania, and a theater in Richfield, Connecticut, and Old Saybrook.
Go to TomPapa.com.
I've got a bunch of stuff in June and then starting up again in the fall.
joe rogan
TomPapa.com.
tom papa
And my special's streaming on Hulu and Amazon.
unidentified
TomPapa.com.
tom papa
And follow my Instagram if you want bread tips.
joe rogan
How old is your special now?
It was about six months ago?
Five months ago?
tom papa
Six months ago.
joe rogan
And when do you think you'll think about doing another one?
What kind of schedule are you on?
tom papa
I feel like I could start lining it up because I've got about...
I've got about 35, 40 that's like really solid, filmable stuff.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
And, you know, keep working at that pace by the time I set it up and go do it.
It'll be probably...
I did it last July is when I filmed it.
So we're coming up on a year.
And if I did it probably at like a year and a half...
To two years, it feels like...
Two years might be a little long, but it feels like a year and a half will be...
It'll be ready.
And I don't put the clock on it.
It's really like, when is it ready?
But if I'm already at that point, I feel like I should crank it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm on the exact same schedule.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of people I talk to have that same opinion.
It seems to be like, at a year and a half in, you start feeling, this is real.
This is ready to go.
tom papa
Yeah, it takes time.
You know, and you want it to be...
I don't want to just eek...
Across the finish line.
You want it to be better than the last one.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want it to be representative of where you feel your stand-up is right now.
tom papa
Exactly.
joe rogan
You have your great nights.
It's a matter of getting it so consistent that you get to the ball, like, this motherfucker's ready.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
It's tight.
joe rogan
It's time to pull the bread out of the oven.
Right, exactly.
tom papa
Get me some pellets.
joe rogan
And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, ooh!
unidentified
Ah!
Hey!
joe rogan
That's the end.
tom papa
Oh, and my podcast.
May I mention that?
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tom papa
Become a Papa podcast.
I always forget to turn people on to that.
joe rogan
The best comics are the worst at self-promotion.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
So that's a good thing, my friend.
tom papa
Thank you.
So I'm getting worse.
joe rogan
Are you at the store this weekend?
tom papa
Not this weekend.
I'll be there next week, though.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll see you there next week.
tom papa
Sounds good.
joe rogan
Tom Papa, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll be back next week.
Thank you, everybody.
Love you.
unidentified
Bye.
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