May 9, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Streaming here. | ||
| We got 6,000 people on this motherfucker. | ||
| 3,000. | ||
| 3,752. | ||
| Really? | ||
| See? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It takes a little while. | ||
| Hey, and we're live, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We're live and we're live. | ||
| This is the first time we've ever been live while also being live on Instagram. | ||
| I don't ever use this shit. | ||
| Do you ever use this? | ||
| I was for a while, and it was cool, but it's one way to get a lot of new followers, because if you go to Top Live, which I'm sure you are, so who's ever live, it'll have Top Live with the most people who are tuning in, and so that's where you are right now, and so people who don't follow you will see you on Top Live. | ||
| We have 7,600, 7,700. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| 7,800. | ||
| It's getting fucking crazy in here. | ||
| Cameron Haynes, fresh back from Australian Outback where he's out there wrestling. | ||
| See those reflexes, folks? | ||
| That was good. | ||
| It didn't even hit the table. | ||
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Almost dropped it. | |
| Didn't even come close. | ||
| That's years of jujitsu. | ||
| Years of trying to keep people from choking me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My instincts are a little too jumpy. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Too much quick movement. | ||
| You've got to calm that shit down for bow hunting. | ||
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It's the coughing. | |
| Oh, for bowhunting, you gotta be... | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| You need the opposite. | ||
| Nice and steady, baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, bowhunting is pretty much the opposite way of thinking than jujitsu. | ||
| Because jujitsu, you gotta fucking... | ||
| You gotta keep moving. | ||
| You gotta constantly... | ||
| You gotta constantly be protecting yourself and moving and trying to close the deal. | ||
| Bow hunting is like steady. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Dude, you're out there wrestling wallabies, I heard? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Jamie's ready to go. | ||
| He was saying that. | ||
| He was like, I want to wrestle a fucking wallaby. | ||
| I don't think you do. | ||
| We saw a dead one, and it has claws about that long. | ||
| Do they really? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so you can imagine... | ||
| And their legs are just obviously bouncing all the time. | ||
| Their legs have just got to be jacked in with those big claws. | ||
| I mean, what I try to relate it to is, have you ever tried to hold down a cat, a house cat that doesn't want to be held down? | ||
| I have, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, they have little tiny claws. | ||
| Imagine what a wallaby with those jacked legs and big claws could do. | ||
| Plus, it's wild. | ||
| Wouldn't be good. | ||
| I used to have a wild cat. | ||
| I had a feral cat. | ||
| Is that a wallaby? | ||
| Wow, you're a cute little fella. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Whoa, look at the teeth. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| That's really his teeth? | ||
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Jesus Christ! | |
| Well, look at the claws on those things. | ||
| I don't know if it'll show claws ever. | ||
| I can't believe they have teeth like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See those front claws? | ||
| What the hell does a wallaby eat? | ||
| I figured a wallaby was like eating nuts and shit. | ||
| Now I think they're murderers. | ||
| Like babies? | ||
| So it looks like a little kangaroo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, they have a kangaroo tail and a whole deal. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They're very similar to kangaroos. | ||
| Was that a real teeth, though? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| That wasn't photoshopped? | ||
| Google wallaby's teeth, because I just have a feeling that was bullshit. | ||
| It just looked like a vampire. | ||
| I feel like they're like the ugly stepchild of kangaroos. | ||
| Because they're kind of more hunched over. | ||
| I'm like, damn, we're losing viewers. | ||
| What? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| We're top live, but we're losing viewers like crazy. | ||
| We're down to 5,900. | ||
| We're dropping. | ||
| Maybe I'll turn it towards me. | ||
| Maybe that's a problem. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| When it's turned towards Cam. | ||
| Oh, jumping back up. | ||
| Now we're up to 6,500. | ||
| It is your page, after all. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| The one we're looking at right now is vampire deer. | ||
| I've seen those things before. | ||
| Those vampire deer? | ||
| That's a real thing, right? | ||
| Those deer with those crazy fangs? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| It's real, but why do they have fangs like that? | ||
| They're not predators. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| Did you see that they found, for the first time ever, a deer eating a human carcass? | ||
| A deer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I didn't see that. | ||
| The scientist. | ||
| See if you can pull that story up. | ||
| It was yesterday. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Folks, this is very distracting. | ||
| Go to joerogan.live and you can see this whole thing. | ||
| I would read this, but... | ||
| Here's the thing about getting older, folks. | ||
| Your fucking eyes start to go. | ||
| Cameron Haynes' eyes are still excellent, though. | ||
| I gotta tell you, this motherfucker can see shit. | ||
| He can see anything. | ||
| Conspiracy theory. | ||
| We're the same age. | ||
| We're the same age. | ||
| And his eyes, I don't know why my eyes suck. | ||
| But my dick is getting bigger. | ||
| I don't know what's going on with that either. | ||
| Imagine? | ||
| Tit for tat. | ||
| People would trade in glasses for a bigger dick, for sure. | ||
| Show feet? | ||
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What is that? | |
| People are so weird. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| People put weird comments just to get you to read them, and he got me. | ||
| He got me this fuck. | ||
| Alright, folks, I'm going to shut this off, and we're going to just have a podcast. | ||
| JoeRogan.Live. | ||
| You can watch. | ||
| We're streaming on YouTube until we make this big deal with Twitch. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| End live video. | ||
| Do I save it? | ||
| Done. | ||
| Nope, didn't save it. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| You can save them? | ||
| Yeah, there's a little thing up in the upper right-hand corner, but I saw it right as I was pressing. | ||
| Mid-press. | ||
| I was just like, what's the big deal? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Don't know. | ||
| I don't know, dude. | ||
| So, never before seen, deer spotted eating human bones. | ||
| Makes sense, though. | ||
| Like, they would just think it's like calcium. | ||
| Calcium, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they don't know it's a bone. | ||
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It's not like they're like, fuck these people. | |
| It's not like it's like, finally deer's eating people. | ||
| No. | ||
| But we've showed videos before of deer eating birds. | ||
| Like, because they eat birds all the time. | ||
| Oh, they do. | ||
| Yeah, like literally actively going after birds, like they're falling out of nests. | ||
| Deer is like following it and the birds are trying to chase the deer off. | ||
| And the deer is like, yeah, whatever, I'm eating that bird. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| So this deer is, the other birds, they're like, get out of there, get out of there. | ||
| It's a button buck. | ||
| He's got these little tiny nubs and he's trying to get this ground nesting bird He's going to go past that tree and then the guy filming it. | ||
| See the bird hopping around the ground? | ||
| So it's a bird that fell out of a nest. | ||
| He's going to eat that? | ||
| Oh yeah, 100%. | ||
| He's chasing it. | ||
| I mean, he's going after it on purpose. | ||
| What a predator he is. | ||
| Look at the speed. | ||
| The speed that deer shows. | ||
| But it just shows you how opportunistic live animals are. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Wild animals, like something in that deer's body tells it to eat that thing. | ||
| Hey, there's no compassion out there for animals. | ||
| No, watch. | ||
| Animal on animal. | ||
| Look at him, he's eating it. | ||
| Oh my. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| Yeah, that's the way it goes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Life eats life. | ||
| It's just weird to see a deer, for some reason, eat a bird and do it on purpose. | ||
| He's all excited. | ||
| It's like, oh yeah, this is great. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| There's some sort of wildlife thing. | ||
| They were doing some sort of a survey, and they captured these birds with a net. | ||
| They had this net set up in this area where these birds fly, just so they could capture these particular birds. | ||
| But the deer kept eating the birds, and they couldn't figure it out. | ||
| They're like, what is going on here? | ||
| And then they watched. | ||
| They had a video of these deer walking up and picking them off the net and eating these birds. | ||
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Wow. | |
| While the birds were like, Jesus, I can't believe this is happening. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Getting eaten by a deer. | ||
| Yeah, you don't see that every day. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I'm not surprised. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not surprised either. | ||
| I've seen cows do it, too. | ||
| There's videos of cows doing it. | ||
| For the longest time, people didn't think that. | ||
| They thought that, you know, those are just herbivores. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But no, nature's just set them up to be super slow. | ||
| But if something really... | ||
| Delicious is in front of them. | ||
| I thought it was an Eddie Bravo thing. | ||
| Oh, it's a conspiracy? | ||
| Yeah, he came up with it. | ||
| No, it's not an Eddie Bravo conspiracy. | ||
| Eddie Bravo believes a lot of conspiracies, but he doesn't believe that... | ||
| What is this one? | ||
| Oh, what is that, an eagle jacking a bunny rabbit? | ||
| That's a deer. | ||
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Oh, is it a little deer? | |
| Eagles are so ruthless. | ||
| Wow, look at that. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| We could do this all day, folks. | ||
| You got back from the real wild, man. | ||
| Like, where you were. | ||
| The Instagram story, so Cameron Haynes and our buddy Adam Greentree and a few other fellows were up there in the north country of Australia, and you guys took over the Under Armour hunt page, and It was epic, man. | ||
| The Under Armour hunt page, like the little Instagram stories. | ||
| I don't like Instagram stories. | ||
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You know why? | |
| Because they're only 15 seconds, and the little teases. | ||
| I wanted you guys to be live streaming from up there. | ||
| Yeah, it would be nice, wouldn't it? | ||
| But it was super cool where you guys were at. | ||
| It was terrifying. | ||
| You kept showing these brown snakes, the second most deadly snake in the world. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm told, yeah. | ||
| You saw how many of them? | ||
| Four or five. | ||
| Yeah, but it only takes one. | ||
| Yeah, and you're dead, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Pretty much dead. | ||
| Well, second most deadly, yes. | ||
| Doesn't sound good. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No, and then there's, you know, big old spiders and... | ||
| Crocodiles. | ||
| Yeah, you guys saw crocodiles? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You even filmed crocodiles. | ||
| Yeah, they were right where we were, you know, super. | ||
| I mean, this is still not even their summer, but it's still very warm. | ||
| I mean, where we were up hunting buffalo at the top end is what they call, which is out of Darwin. | ||
| It was 90 to 100 degrees. | ||
| So there's some film of... | ||
| Now, this is a freshwater crocodile, which is not as big, right? | ||
| Not as big or as aggressive as a saltwater croc, but could still definitely do damage. | ||
| And this was, you know, mere feet from where we were sleeping. | ||
| And this is where we'd go and take baths or just kind of cool down during the heat of the day. | ||
| That's where he was right there. | ||
| And how big is that guy? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Six, eight, seven, eight feet, something like that. | ||
| I mean, you know, he wasn't huge, but he'd definitely do some damage if he got ahold of you. | ||
| Did you guys see any of the saltwater ones while you were there? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, so you were telling me about this one pond that was near you guys, where you saw eyes at night, and you didn't think there was any crocodiles? | ||
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No, that was it. | |
| That was it? | ||
| It was right there. | ||
| So the first night, we saw the one, just that one right there. | ||
| We went over there and videoed him and checked him out. | ||
| And then the next night, Adam went down there to the creek, and it was only about maybe 15, 20 feet across, just small, just very shallow. | ||
| And he looked down and said there was like six sets of eyes, red eyes, which is crocodile. | ||
| So that was, you know, they'd moved in. | ||
| Have you ever seen a live saltwater one in the wild? | ||
| I think we did the last time I hunted there. | ||
| But I'm trying to remember. | ||
| Or maybe it was, I think when we were flying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When we were flying, we saw him. | ||
| So you have to take a flight from where Adam lives. | ||
| Adam lives near Melbourne, right? | ||
| Sydney. | ||
| He lives near Sydney. | ||
| New South Wales is what it's called. | ||
| And then you fly four and a half hours to where these water buffalo are. | ||
| Yeah, and then last time we used a helicopter to get out of Darwin, and that was four hours in the helicopter. | ||
| And so this time we had a helicopter, and so we flew the country to kind of look at it, and we saw some pretty big crocs from there. | ||
| On the river system. | ||
| So how do you know where to stop when you're buffalo hunting? | ||
| How do you know where to go? | ||
| Well, I mean, basically it's however far you can walk. | ||
| We were walking, I don't know, I want to say at least 10 miles a day. | ||
| I think Adam and his guys one time, his camera guy, walked 18 miles one day. | ||
| So we were always 10, 12, 13 miles a day. | ||
| So we're just covering country. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It was hard hunting up there right now because this is their wet season or the tail end of their wet season. | ||
| And so the foliage was really grown up, really thick, so it was very hard to see the buffalo. | ||
| Normally, later when we went, it's all burnt up because of summer, and so there's no foliage. | ||
| You can see the buffalo from miles, basically, but with this grass, the grass is in some places eight feet tall. | ||
| I mean, you'd have to be 50 yards away to see a buffalo, and they're, you know, 1,800 to 2,000 pounds. | ||
| So it makes it hard to find them, and then it also makes it dangerous to trail them, you know, if you're blood trailing them, or even if you just surprise one. | ||
| You know, you surprise an animal that close, a wild animal like that, and who knows how they're going to react. | ||
| Yeah, that's a huge animal. | ||
| Yeah, and with that grass, it just, you know, as you know, Adam and I did a, and the camera guys, we did a podcast up there, and we were kind of talking about the challenges of the hunt, and that was a big part of it, is just not being able to see very much country, and so people never hunt buffalo this time of year. | ||
| This is like, people say, why would you go? | ||
| You're not gonna, you know, nobody goes this time, and we just... | ||
| When do they go? | ||
| They go later in the year, you know, when there's not so much foliage. | ||
| So they go like in their fall? | ||
| Yeah, it would be, you know, last time I went is December, which is just before the wet season starts. | ||
| This is the tail end of the wet season right now. | ||
| So we're thinking about when we want to take you up there would be around November, October, November, because you don't want to get stuck with the wet season hit because that's big rains. | ||
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Right. | |
| But you want it, and also it makes it easier to find the animals because there's not water everywhere. | ||
| Right now there's water everywhere, so they don't have to be concentrated to get water. | ||
| But later in the year, a lot of the water sources have dried up, so if you've got a good water hole, you know every animal's coming there. | ||
| So these are, for people who don't know, this is an invasive species of water buffalo. | ||
| An enormous Asian. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Is it just called Asian water buffalo? | ||
| What is the actual name of it? | ||
| I think it... | ||
| Yeah, there might be an... | ||
| I just call them Asian water buffaloes. | ||
| It seems like there's a sea in there somewhere, Asiatic or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Maybe? | |
| Jamie can look it up. | ||
| Jamie can look it up. | ||
| But it's such a wild, cool-looking animal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're big. | ||
| They're big. | ||
| And my bull is a big, old bull. | ||
| We called him in using a wounded calf call. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So this is what it looks like. | ||
| Yeah, that's a female, obviously. | ||
| I typed in Asian water buffalo. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| Go to Cam's Instagram page and there's a picture of the... | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| No, that's Adam's. | ||
| Oh, that's Adam's? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yours is in the upper right-hand corner. | ||
| But you only see the skull. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| You only see the skull. | ||
| Yeah, and then... | ||
| That's the fucking head. | ||
| People don't want to see that. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| Folks, that's how you make cheeseburgers. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| There's only one way. | ||
| There's another picture of it, I think, when he's coming in right there, right above that, Jamie. | ||
| The one with the far left. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| That's him at full draw, or that's looking through the riser of the bow. | ||
| Yeah, so that's that bull coming in, aggressive. | ||
| You can see his eyes. | ||
| He was just pissed off. | ||
| That's at under 20 yards, and he's not stopping. | ||
| And so I shot him there, frontal through the chest, and he's almost like self-defense. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So these are animals that if hunters don't go up there and kill them, they actually hire people to go up there and kill them, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, these things have spread disease up there. | ||
| I mean, they're a non-native species, and any water source up there is ruined. | ||
| Any natural habitat has been ruined because there's so many buffalo. | ||
| So they just want them killed, basically. | ||
| They're like... | ||
| It'd be like similar to coyotes here. | ||
| Except 2,000 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And no predators either. | ||
| No, there's nothing else to kill them. | ||
| And maybe a croc could kill a calf. | ||
| A small one, right? | ||
| They just need, you know, coyotes down here in North America don't ruin water sources and ruin habitat like these things do. | ||
| These things are just wrecking machines and there's hundreds of thousands of them up there. | ||
| So they ruin water sources for the native animals as well? | ||
| Yeah, for anything. | ||
| Because they shit and piss in the water. | ||
| Well, Australia is so strange, and as is New Zealand, in that all these people imported animals there in the 1800s, and I guess even before. | ||
| When did they establish Australia and New Zealand? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I forget when they established. | ||
| See if you can find out when they established. | ||
| We talked about this recently with Josh Zeps, didn't we? | ||
| But they brought in all these animals with no game plan. | ||
| They just let them loose, and then they're like, oh, Jesus. | ||
| So, in New Zealand, they have these beautiful stags, these incredible animals, and in some places, they have to shoot them out of helicopters just to control the population. | ||
| For people in America, it's unheard of. | ||
| How could you do that? | ||
| That's like an elk, like a majestic animal. | ||
| You're going to shoot them out of helicopters and just leave them there to die. | ||
| It's way different. | ||
| There's just not enough hunters. | ||
| Because in all of Australia, they say there's as many people as are in the LA area here in the whole country. | ||
| New Zealand says it was... | ||
| Okay, the first European explorer to sight New Zealand was Abel Janzoon, Tasman on the 13th of December in 1642, but that's obviously just a European. | ||
| People have been there for a long fucking time. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And Australia was 1788. And shortly thereafter, then they started bringing in all these animals. | ||
| And the idea was that they were going to make it like a European hunting destination. | ||
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Right. | |
| For the rich... | ||
| Douchebags. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they released all these animals, but with no predators. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so people were going to come over from Europe, and they were going to go to Australia and hunt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The rich people. | ||
| And so I think they told me that, it seems like it was in 1985, they were going to wipe out all the buffalo, and they had some money funded for it, and they were going to try to get rid of them. | ||
| And they got halfway through and quit. | ||
| They killed like half of them? | ||
| Something like that, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then they quit. | ||
| And so now it's just, as I was saying, the whole country's about the size of the United States. | ||
| You were telling me this, but I did know that the whole country has the same amount of people as live in LA here. | ||
| So there's just not that many hunters. | ||
| You know, a small percentage of them are hunters. | ||
| So there's nobody to control all these number of non-native species. | ||
| And that's from... | ||
| From water buffalo to the fallow deer that I was hunting to stags. | ||
| There's not as many stags as fallow deer, but all these species, there's no measure for control, really. | ||
| Yeah, and they brought in a bunch of other non-native species to control. | ||
| It's an exercise in conservation gone totally wrong. | ||
| Because they brought in cats to take care of certain animals and they brought in Fox and then the Fox and the cats are out of control and they kill all the ground nesting birds So now it's kind of fucked up to us here in America, but people in Australia hunt cats Yeah. | ||
| They hunt them the way, and they hold them up like, look, I got one. | ||
| Yeah, it's a cat. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird, man. | ||
| It's like, that's fluffy. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, no, we saw a guy, and he had a rifle, and he's walking on the road there. | ||
| He lives there. | ||
| I mean, that's his home. | ||
| He's lived there his whole life, I think. | ||
| And he was walking on the road, and I went down there, and I had my bow, and I said, hey, what are you after? | ||
| He's like, oh, I'm after a big black cat. | ||
| And I'm like, just a regular cat? | ||
| He's like, yeah. | ||
| I said, just a feral, wild cat? | ||
| He's like, yeah, it's a black one, though. | ||
| He goes, so there's a $10 bounty on it that the property owners around there had. | ||
| If anybody could kill this black cat, it's $10. | ||
| But... | ||
| They don't think anything about it because there's just wild cats everywhere. | ||
| How weird is that? | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| A bounty on a kitty cat. | ||
| Well, people that have researched it in America, just in North America, cats kill somewhere in the neighborhood of three billion birds a year. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Billion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That... | ||
| When they found that out, like, apparently, like, scientists were shocked. | ||
| The biologists were shocked. | ||
| It's between 1.5 and 3 point something billion. | ||
| And that's not even counting, like, mice and rabbits and all the other shit they killed. | ||
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Squirrels. | |
| I'll never forget, I had a cat that used to, um... | ||
| I used to live across the street from this park, and I had this one male cat, and he was just a murderer. | ||
| And I'll never forget watching him walk across this park with a squirrel between his legs. | ||
| So he was biting down the squirrel's neck. | ||
| The squirrel's dead, and the squirrel was his size, practically. | ||
| And it was in between his legs, so he's straddling it and walking with it, dragging it along so he could show it to me. | ||
| Good kill. | ||
| Oh, he was super psyched. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| He's like, dude, look what I got. | ||
| That's probably a large percentage of his weight right there he killed. | ||
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It was. | |
| It was probably, no bullshit, at least three quarters the size of him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he wasn't a big cat and he was a fat fucking squirrel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That probably would have been a nice battle. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| A cat versus squirrel. | ||
| Cats are the weirdest animals, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're cool with us, but they're straight killers. | ||
| I know, but the only story I remember about a cat, I can't remember where I heard it or who told me, but that... | ||
| Oh, maybe he was one of my cop friends. | ||
| But anyway, if an old, say it's an elderly person that has a dog, they die. | ||
| The dog is, the people come and find the body, and the dog's laying there with them, you know, just like a loyal whatever. | ||
| And if a cat, if they have a cat and they die, the cat eats their eyelids and lips. | ||
| Yeah, right away. | ||
| If you stop feeding that cat, the cat's like, look, I'm eating. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You look like meat. | ||
| And it eats its owner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's really all you need to know about a cat. | ||
| They eat each other, too. | ||
| Like crazy old people, there's this one lady who was a hoarder, and she had a bunch of dead cats. | ||
| She had so many cats in her house, and the cats had died, and so she wasn't feeding the cats. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The cats were eating the dead cat. | ||
| Man. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard out there. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's hard out there, Cameron Haynes. | ||
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I know. | |
| Imagine being a cat. | ||
| You're living with a hoarder. | ||
| You're like, this bitch doesn't even let me go out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, let me out. | ||
| I'll go kill some birds. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Animals just want to be out and live. | ||
| That's what we need to... | ||
| We need to be out and live. | ||
| I mean, that two and a half weeks I was in Australia, that was... | ||
| Man, I took two showers the whole time. | ||
| Lived in a sleeping bag. | ||
| You must have smelled good. | ||
| Hey, that's just how it goes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what people are supposed to smell like. | ||
| We couldn't even tell. | ||
| We were just used to it. | ||
| For the viewers, I'm a clean person. | ||
| I take a couple showers a day, but when you're hunting, that's just the way it goes sometimes. | ||
| Were you wearing wool? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it was warm. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| Warm, warm. | ||
| But a thin layer of merino actually keeps it cool because you're sweating it and it regulates heat really well. | ||
| Yeah, where we were hunting deer in New South Wales, which is outside of Sydney, it was actually cold at night. | ||
| Yeah, I saw you guys were walking on frozen grass. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The grass was covered with frost. | ||
| But at night it was freezing. | ||
| It was like 32 degrees. | ||
| We thought we were going to be hunting in 90 to 100 degree weather. | ||
| So yeah, it didn't When you're laying in a sleeping bag that's only rated to 40 degrees and it's 32 and sleeping on the ground, it's... | ||
| That's rough. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| You were saying that those deer were super turned on, too. | ||
| They were tuned in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were on edge. | ||
| They've been hunted. | ||
| They don't have lions like we have here which keep the deer on edge because lions are just killers. | ||
| They don't have a predator like that, but man... | ||
| They're an antelope species. | ||
| They can see so well and so fast reacting. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| This is a fallow deer, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what are they related to? | ||
| I just said it right there. | ||
| You said an antelope? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Once I said it, I'm like, are they? | ||
| So don't quote me on that. | ||
| We might have to look that one up, too. | ||
| But all I know is the reason why I said that is because they can see. | ||
| I mean, antelope are notorious for having amazing vision, you know, 10 times what humans have, apparently. | ||
| And that's how these were. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if the deer, antelope, or whatever, but they can see extremely well. | ||
| So they were seeing you from, like, a long ways out. | ||
| Oh, you couldn't. | ||
| I mean, there was this one buck I was stalking. | ||
| I had a cameraman with me. | ||
| And the key for stalking animals is always staying in the shade. | ||
| If you stay in the shade and you got camo on, especially if they're in the sun, you know how it is looking into... | ||
| If you're in the sun, you try to look into a house, you can't see. | ||
| So it's the same thing with shadows. | ||
| So you always want to be a shadow. | ||
| Well, we were 330 yards away from this buck I was stalking. | ||
| He was feeding in this creek. | ||
| And we had this small patch of sunlight to cross. | ||
| 330 yards away. | ||
| It's a long way away. | ||
| And I told the cameraman, I'm like, we just got to get across here. | ||
| Just stay low and hustle through there. | ||
| So we hunched over and in seconds we were through there. | ||
| Got to the shade, looked over at the buck. | ||
| He's standing there staring. | ||
| I'm like, are you kidding me? | ||
| We're in the shade, so then for sure we weren't moving. | ||
| I'm like, don't move. | ||
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And he's just staring, staring, staring, staring. | |
| And I'm like, don't move. | ||
| He's like, I'm not. | ||
| I go, don't move. | ||
| He's just looking. | ||
| Anything is going to spook him. | ||
| He's like, I'm not moving. | ||
| And he was crouched down on his knees. | ||
| And so finally the buck took a few bites of grass and I'm like, okay, he's feeding. | ||
| Next thing, gone. | ||
| So all he did is took a couple bites of grass for the road. | ||
| He's like, no, I already know I'm out of here, but I'm taking this with me. | ||
| And he was gone. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Yeah, they're smart. | ||
| That's long rifle range. | ||
| We had bows, and it's just barely this... | ||
| And we have to get close with a bow. | ||
| And so you can imagine if that one example tells you what it was like, basically. | ||
| So we were talking about different bow setups. | ||
| Like, you had brought two bow setups. | ||
| You brought one for deer, and you brought one for buffalo. | ||
| So for people that... | ||
| Don't understand. | ||
| There's two different ways that you were going to approach this. | ||
| The buffalo is a giant, heavy-boned animal, so you had a real heavy arrow, which is going to go slower. | ||
| And those arrows are just too slow for those deer. | ||
| And the deer would actually move out of the way before the arrow got to them. | ||
| Yeah, like Matrix. | ||
| It was, you know, the thing with penetration with an arrow is weight. | ||
| The weight of the arrow equates to more penetration with heavy bone. | ||
| And, you know, we talked about the buffalo 1800 to 2000 pounds. | ||
| So you need something that hits hard. | ||
| Well, when you have a heavier arrow, it's going to fly slower. | ||
| So those are flying at 245 feet a second out of my high poundage bow. | ||
| And I thought, well, Good enough. | ||
| I mean, these will be alright. | ||
| I was shooting it so well. | ||
| I'm so accurate. | ||
| You know, I'm practicing out to 90 yards all the time. | ||
| I'm shooting really well. | ||
| So I thought, you know what? | ||
| I know it's supposed to be for buffalo. | ||
| I'm just going to use it for deer. | ||
| So the first week there, I tried it for deer, and it was just like, these deer were seemingly 10 yards away by the time the arrow got to them. | ||
| And I'm not talking long shots. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, maybe it's just a fluke. | ||
| Just a fluke. | ||
| So they would see it. | ||
| Hear it. | ||
| They would hear it, and they would duck out of the way. | ||
| Or just be gone. | ||
| I mean, just like be 10 yards away. | ||
| So they would move out of the way before the arrow got to them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so finally, I thought, well, maybe it's just... | ||
| And it was super calm there. | ||
| So, so quiet. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| My bows are quiet. | ||
| A heavy arrow makes a bow even quieter. | ||
| You know, it absorbs that sound. | ||
| And the energy. | ||
| So your limbs are just... | ||
| Like that. | ||
| It's more of like... | ||
| But it still makes a noise on a super calm, windless day. | ||
| Especially when it's cold, you know, I mean, it's just that sounds going to get across there. | ||
| So I thought, well, maybe just a fluke, maybe the deer were pick something up, pick up some movement. | ||
| So they were just on me and just whatever. | ||
| I'm not worried about it. | ||
| You know, I'm not used to missing. | ||
| I'm used to being very disciplined on my shots and taking high percentage shots at relaxed animals. | ||
| If I do do my stock right, my goal is always to shoot an animal That has no idea I'm there, you know, so it's relaxed. | ||
| And so that wasn't happening here. | ||
| And I thought, well, maybe it's just because they're high-strung and they were on me. | ||
| So the time where I decided, okay, these arrows aren't going to work, was a wild boar was out there. | ||
| Big boar, 45 yards. | ||
| Okay, this should be slam dunk money. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Camera over my shoulder. | ||
| He had no idea we were there. | ||
| Draw back, shoot, and he was facing his head to the left, and he was heading back to the right, probably a few feet away by the time the arrow got there. | ||
| I didn't even have to even... | ||
| I shot and went, oh my, are you kidding me? | ||
| He's gone that fast. | ||
| Spun and just gone. | ||
| At that time, I'm like, okay, this is not going to work. | ||
| It's so crazy because although there's no predators there, the hunters that are there are out there all the time. | ||
| They don't have a season. | ||
| No, there's no season. | ||
| These animals are just tuned in. | ||
| They're hunted every day. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, and mostly rifle. | ||
| So, I mean, they're used to, if they see somebody, that's like a danger because they've been shot at from, you know, hundreds of yards. | ||
| So, it's just, yeah, it was challenging. | ||
| But so, I changed from those... | ||
| 245 grain arrows. | ||
| And I thought, well, I need to shoot my, or not 245, 245 feet per second, that 687 grain arrow to a lighter arrow. | ||
| And I thought, well, maybe this will do it. | ||
| And, you know, is it shooting 300 feet per second at that time? | ||
| Did you change broadheads? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Did you go to the trocar? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did you step with the solids? | ||
| No. | ||
| I shot with a buffalo. | ||
| And actually, you know, it's funny. | ||
| Actually, what I ended up killing the deer with, too, was, what were they? | ||
| Magna Stingers. | ||
| But I had that expandable head. | ||
| Do you remember that one that I used on the bear? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a... | ||
| Gravedigger? | ||
| Gravedigger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a ruthless name. | ||
| That head. | ||
| And that head flies so good. | ||
| I owe his money. | ||
| So you use that as well? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So when you're out there, man, like, so you're around Sydney, which is where people are. | ||
| Those animals are hunted pretty regularly. | ||
| But then you're taking that flight for four and a half hours and then the helicopter. | ||
| And when you're in the area where the buffalo are, there's nobody out there. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's remote. | ||
| That is a wild, wild place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you think about the size of Australia, the size of North America with the same amount of people as Los Angeles, but the area where you're at, it's like, that is as wild as it gets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you fly those four and a half hours from Sydney to Darwin, and most of that, you're looking down at country with nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| No roads, no nothing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that's a large majority of Australia is like that. | ||
| And it's just overrun with Buffalo. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of it is, yep. | ||
| What a crazy place. | ||
| Yeah, and we did find some drawings up there, too, from the, yeah, I mean, old. | ||
| From the natives. | ||
| Yeah, from the Aborigines. | ||
| And did you know that those were there before you went there? | ||
| Did Adam know that they were there? | ||
| The pilot knew. | ||
| The pilot knew. | ||
| Yeah, so we wanted to go see them. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So are they in a cave? | ||
| For the weather not to get to them, it has to be on the underside of a rock. | ||
| So where we went and we filmed under there, you could imagine people getting out of the rain there and their huge boulders. | ||
| And it's just a perfect spot to stay dry. | ||
| If they drew on a part of the rock where the rain was hitting, obviously it was gone. | ||
| But in these areas, they were protected, so the drawings were still there. | ||
| Last time Adam was here, he talked about some of the Aborigines there and explained some stuff. | ||
| But when we went back to my house, we had dinner and we sat around talking. | ||
| He told me some crazy stories about the horrors that those people faced and how they had been wiped out, like they had been poisoned. | ||
| He went to this one cave and he found bones all through this cave. | ||
| He's like, this is crazy. | ||
| There's human bones. | ||
| And he's like, children's bones. | ||
| He defined children's bones. | ||
| And then he had heard this story from one of the other Aborigines that lived there that someone had brought food to all these people, all the Aborigines there, and just poisoned the food and just killed them all off. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking dark, man. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| So they don't know who made those hieroglyphs or the cave drawings or whatever they were, or when they did it either? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they say... | ||
| I put it up on my Instagram page, and I saw some comments there, and they're saying that the more brightly colored, the older they are. | ||
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Huh. | |
| But I don't know. | ||
| I think the pilot mentioned 10,000 years old, maybe. | ||
| I was just guessing. | ||
| How the fuck does he know? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| How would you know? | ||
| I think you just threw that out there. | ||
| Yeah, how would you know? | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| I'm sure somebody knows. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, right, that studies that? | ||
| I'm sure there's probably a few people. | ||
| But it seems like when you think about the actual numbers of how much land you're talking about, how few people live out there, and how many of those things are probably there. | ||
| And also, one of the things that Adam was telling me that's crazy is you could have the way they refer to themselves, like Aborigines, they call themselves a mob. | ||
| Like, you know, instead of a tribe, it's a mob. | ||
| And they're like, there could be one mob. | ||
| And he said, there could be a mob. | ||
| He goes, four kilometers away, and they speak a totally different language. | ||
| Oh, right, yeah. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| I go, how many languages are there? | ||
| He goes, oh, hundreds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hundreds. | ||
| I go, so they can't talk to each other. | ||
| He goes, nope. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No written language. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have different expressions for things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that, too. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, it's really... | ||
| I think it's like a tribal society, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
| I mean, that's just the way it goes. | ||
| Well, it is like a tribal society, but it's also like you're... | ||
| I mean, right now, there's culture and there's civilization that is linked to who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it will go away because there won't be people that understand it. | ||
| There's not someone who's studying it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's so many different versions of the way they communicate that it's just like you're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It was amazing to be in that country walking and hunting in the same that they have for, you know, however many years. | ||
| And what did they hunt back then? | ||
| Because this is obviously before the buffalo came in, before they brought the fallow deer. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just whatever wallabies are. | ||
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Probably. | |
| Wallabies are a native thing, kangaroos and shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, but it was cool being under that rock and envisioning them being there too, you know, that long ago, doing the same thing we were doing. | ||
| That's a real mind-blower, man. | ||
| It's just so fascinating thinking about that particular continent of Australia that, you know, Europe used it as a prison colony and England brought a bunch of people over there and go, look, you people are assholes. | ||
| Stay here. | ||
| There's an island off of Australia, right, that they used for that. | ||
| Well, they used Australia for that. | ||
| I thought... | ||
| God, what was that island? | ||
| It's probably an island as well that they still do. | ||
| I think that's what they take immigrants. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And they have to live there for a certain amount of time before they can come over. | ||
| Yeah, they have some weird immigration laws in Australia. | ||
| Like, if people that are complaining about Trump wanting to build a wall, listen, Australia is way worse. | ||
| And it's like a prison. | ||
| If I understand it right, it's like a prison. | ||
| And they have to stay there for, like I said, a certain amount of time before they're Yeah, see if you can find that, Jimmy. | ||
| Josh Zeps actually brought it up to us, and he was explaining how brutal the immigration laws are over there. | ||
| They don't want anybody moving to Australia. | ||
| They understand they have a good thing going on. | ||
| I mean, if you haven't been to Australia, it is lovely. | ||
| The people there are fantastic. | ||
| They're super friendly. | ||
| They're really nice. | ||
| And again, there's not that many of them. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's expensive, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very, you know, I mean, there was a, Eamon, he, I think his house was like a two-bedroom house and four or five hundred thousand dollars. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Makes sense, though. | ||
| You gotta bring shit over there, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, they were saying, the guy, when I was in Sydney, the guy who was driving us was telling us how much cars cost over there. | ||
| They cost so much more money. | ||
| Yeah, especially like people like classic American muscle cars and the guy was talking about how much like a 1968 Mustang was worth. | ||
| Yeah, and he's like it's probably worth twice what it's worth in America. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, because they have to ship them over there. | ||
| What they have over there which is sweet was the Toyota Hilux diesel trucks. | ||
| Those are pretty sweet. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's just a Toyota... | ||
| Like a Tundra? | ||
| Is it like a Tundra? | ||
| It's like a... | ||
| They call it a ute. | ||
| A ute? | ||
| That's a pickup. | ||
| Oh, like a utility vehicle? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm just trying to learn the lingo. | ||
| But a ute is a pickup. | ||
| And it is a Toyota Hilux Diesel. | ||
| And is this what Adam was driving around in? | ||
| No. | ||
| I can't remember what his is. | ||
| There it is right there, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| Okay, so it's like a flatbed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I'm not sure what Adam... | ||
| Maybe Adam has that. | ||
| I can't remember now. | ||
| One of the things I thought was weird when I was there was how many people have snorkels on their trucks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That one right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's driving through water. | ||
| Well, it's not just water. | ||
| It's also dust. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| They were explaining to me that dust chokes up your air filters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| So that when the engine's getting the air, apparently it mitigates a lot of the dust because a lot of the dust is headlight high when you're driving, and that gets you a little bit more clear air up there. | ||
| Well, that's out of my wheelhouse. | ||
| I know bow hunting and riding. | ||
| Well, you knew the name of it. | ||
| No, I just noticed because they're cool. | ||
| Well, whenever you go to, like, Africa, or whenever you go someplace that's fucking brutal, you see a lot of Toyotas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Toyotas, they know how to make a car that lasts. | ||
| They do. | ||
| They do. | ||
| But they're not... | ||
| I mean, here, it's just like, you know... | ||
| Ford, Chevy, you know, I don't know. | ||
| Because we like American stuff. | ||
| I guess so, yeah. | ||
| But still, you still see a lot of, like, old Land Cruisers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, how many FJ Land Cruisers do you see? | ||
| There, where we were in the Outback, driving around, everybody has those. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every person has a truck set up like that. | ||
| Well, I guess you have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you realize, after time, like, this is the only thing that makes it. | ||
| Yeah, because Adam was saying, when he drives from... | ||
| Sid needed Darwin. | ||
| We took a four and a half hour plane flight, but it's three days. | ||
| So your rig has to be... | ||
| Bulletproof. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Yeah, they have an expression. | ||
| You could take a Range Rover into the bush, but you need a Land Rover to get out of the bush. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, they just, those Toyotas, it's just, it's kind of crazy how well they last. | ||
| You know, when you really think about, like for the longest time, America did a real shit job of making cars that last. | ||
| There was a period in American cars from like the 1970s till, I think till probably like the late 90s to 2000, they finally got it right. | ||
| And now we make very dependable cars as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For the longest time, we were making dog shit. | ||
| Well, I don't know about all that, but I do know we're going to go up and do that hunt. | ||
| Me, you, and Adam, and we're going to do a Netflix special. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| Netflix doesn't know this yet. | ||
| Why Netflix? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What should we do it? | ||
| Well, it's a good move. | ||
| It's a good move. | ||
| Doing something on the internet. | ||
| Yeah, I want it to be like an hour-long documentary-style hunting film, giving back, you know, killing buffalo, taking the meat back to the community. | ||
| To the natives? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To Aborigines? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I envision. | ||
| That sounds like a great idea. | ||
| It could be, certainly, it could be done on Netflix or it could be done and you just put it online. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That could be just as, I mean, Netflix is awesome for sure, but there's some people that don't have Netflix. | ||
| Everybody has an online connection. | ||
| Yeah, my My goal is to sort of use you because I want hunting to be shown in the light that I know it to be, which is hard work, respect for the country and the animals, and giving back. | ||
| So with you involved, more people care about it, right? | ||
| And we want to have you involved because we like hanging out with you. | ||
| Well, I was explaining this to Adam, too. | ||
| When we did my podcast up there in the bush is like ever since I've hunted way back when Roy moved to Alaska and I was left hunting the wilderness on my own. | ||
| I loved it so much, I kept wanting to find somebody who would love it as much as I could say, look how awesome this is. | ||
| Isn't this awesome? | ||
| And I kept taking people there and trying to convince them how awesome it was. | ||
| It wasn't awesome for them. | ||
| So it was like, but you want to share something that impacts you so much with other people who appreciate it. | ||
| So that's why That's what I was saying when Adam and I were talking is that, you know, you love bow hunting. | ||
| And so when you are so interested and invested in something and have such a passion for something, there's nothing better than when somebody else shares that passion. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was why there's a few different reasons why you can be involved. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'm excited about that. | ||
| But I also think the difficulty factor is what turns people off. | ||
| I don't think they expect it to be so difficult. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| If you try to introduce bow hunting to people, first of all, Just shooting a bow, people think, oh, you pull the string back, you point at the spot, you let it go. | ||
| Good luck with all that. | ||
| It takes fucking years. | ||
| It takes years to get competent with a bow. | ||
| And I remember when you first started showing me how to shoot when we first shot in my backyard. | ||
| And I immediately recognized, I think, like, after, first of all, you had a 90-pound bow, which I definitely shouldn't have been pulling back. | ||
| My shoulder was fucking killing me after the first hour. | ||
| I was like, oh! | ||
| Like, this takes... | ||
| You gotta build up to this goddamn thing. | ||
| But then I remember thinking, like, to be accurate with this, like, I just went down a rabbit hole. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm like, I just took my first step down a crazy rabbit hole, and who knows where it leads, because this is not easy. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I have a very addictive personality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I need to figure out ways to channel that addiction in positive ways, because I can get lost doing things that are not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bow hunting and archery itself, to me it seemed like, okay, this is a discipline, it's a worthy pursuit, it's fascinating, and I'm very, very interested in it. | ||
| But for a lot of people, I think it's very daunting. | ||
| I don't think they realize it. | ||
| People think of hunting as Elmer Fudd. | ||
| You go out there or they see some hunting scene in a movie where there's a bunch of rednecks and they're fat and they're sitting in a tree stand or something like that, and they think it's easy. | ||
| They think it's a bunch of people that are just killing animals and they don't care and then When you actually go out and do it, especially if you go do it with a person like you, you understand what this thing really is. | ||
| And what it really is, is this incredibly difficult pursuit that takes immense amounts of hard work and dedication, and you gotta be in fucking shape for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is something that people are starting to realize now. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think you're a big part of this. | ||
| And over the last few years, and all the platforms that you've gone on to tell your story, is that people understand that Big game hunting in the West, in the Western-style hunting, elk and mule deer, the type of stuff that you love to do, is very, very difficult. | ||
| It is a combination of athletics, of extreme endurance, of hiking, outdoorsmanship, survival skills, and then the knowledge of hunting, and then you have to be a good shot on top of all that. | ||
| You have to know archery. | ||
| Yeah, then you have to be able to keep, you know, when that adrenaline hits, when all of a sudden... | ||
| And that's what's hard is people have invested so much into it and they've been thinking about the crunch time for so long that when it happens, it's too much. | ||
| And so it's really hard. | ||
| When you've been thinking about something for years, potentially, or at least all year, you know, that, oh, here's my chance, here's my chance, and then you get it and you're not ready. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it's just too much to... | ||
| It's so hard to stay calm. | ||
| Well, it's also something that you need to do a bunch of times until you understand it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, I try to explain to people about... | ||
| We were talking about fighting earlier. | ||
| We were talking about... | ||
| If someone has never fought before and never competed before, the scary thing is not really... | ||
| What's nerve-wracking is not the actual fighting itself. | ||
| Once the fighting starts, you're actually kind of just in the zone and you're just doing it. | ||
| I mean, you might be intimidated, especially if you're fighting a guy like Mike Tyson or Anderson Silva or something like that. | ||
| You're going to be shitting your pants. | ||
| But the real terrifying stuff is the build-up, the lead-up. | ||
| And that's kind of the same thing with hunting. | ||
| It's the moment before the shot. | ||
| It's your adrenaline is pumping. | ||
| It's like if you had to shoot an eight ball across the table, long shot, and your life was on the line. | ||
| It's almost like that. | ||
| And you don't get any warm-up shots. | ||
| There's no warm-up shots. | ||
| It's just all of a sudden, here's this one shot for all the marbles, and you got to stay calm. | ||
| Oh, and the animal might be moving. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, well, fuck. | ||
| No, I was saying that on this last hunt. | ||
| We had me, Adam, and Remy Warren. | ||
| And supposedly, we're supposed to be pretty good hunters. | ||
| The best of the best. | ||
| And we were struggling to get something killed. | ||
| And I was just like, imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody... | ||
| A new hunter. | ||
| I mean, it's no wonder people try to bow hunt and then just be like, are you kidding me? | ||
| This is impossible. | ||
| But it's that challenge. | ||
| Anyway, it's that whole journey, which is why I want to do that special. | ||
| And I want to share all that's positive about hunting. | ||
| To as many people as... | ||
| And we are reaching new people these days. | ||
| Hunting, it's in the crosshairs in some... | ||
| I mean, I went to an archery shop up there, Benson's Archery in Sydney, and we just had a few hours notice saying, hey, Adam and I are going to stop by, swing by, and quite a few people came. | ||
| I mean, it was surprising how many people showed up, but a lot of them We're vegetarians, you know, six months ago, listened to your show. | ||
| A lot of people told me, oh, I found out about you from Joe Rogan, or I didn't hunt, or I didn't even eat meat. | ||
| And all these different stories, all these different from all these different areas. | ||
| So we are reaching new people. | ||
| And I want to make sure our message The one of respect and reverence and appreciation for everything out there and for survival and for just, you know, life outside of the city. | ||
| I want that shown in a way that I know we would. | ||
| And so that's why I selfishly want this to be a big thing just because I'm sick of hunting, you know, the Elmer Fudd thing. | ||
| You know, I was watching a movie the other day And they showed a hunter, and the girl was on there, and she was... | ||
| Oh, what was that? | ||
| There's three girls that were kidnapped, and one of them had hunted as a younger girl. | ||
| And so she was like... | ||
| Do you know what movie that is? | ||
| Anyway, so she had the upper hand. | ||
| She was tougher, and she was more prepared because she had been a hunter. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, that's cool. | ||
| But then they show her as a little girl hunting, and her perverted uncle had molested her. | ||
| Oh, jeez. | ||
| Hunting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Drinking beer. | ||
| Oh God. | ||
| This is the movie Split. | ||
| Split, yeah. | ||
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Oh. | |
| That's what it was. | ||
| So the hunter in there was some child molester. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| It's the most misunderstood and misrepresented discipline, I think, that we have here in America. | ||
| And it's so confusing to people. | ||
| Because when we think of food, we think of restaurants and we think of supermarkets. | ||
| We don't think of wild animals. | ||
| The connection that people feel like they don't have with their food is one thing that comes up all the time lately. | ||
| So people are constantly looking for these farm-to-table places. | ||
| There's a farm-to-table place out here called Peddler's Fork. | ||
| It's a really good place. | ||
| They have great eggs. | ||
| You get the eggs, they're real dark yolk. | ||
| The food is all grass-fed beef from a farm that they have a connection to, and they buy the meat from the farm. | ||
| There's a lot of that, these farm-to-table places where these restaurants have a great relationship with the people that actually grow the food. | ||
| So everything's organic. | ||
| They know where it comes from. | ||
| And people are super connected to that. | ||
| They love the idea of that because factory farming is kind of freaking people out. | ||
| And for the longest time, it was happening without us knowing. | ||
| You know, I think during the 80s and the 90s, it was all going on and no one understood it. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| So now people are becoming more aware because of the internet, because of information, and they're becoming more aware of where their food comes from. | ||
| And you're also seeing a higher number of people that their response to this factory farming thing is, well, hey, I'll go vegetarian or, hey, I'll go vegan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Before I hunted with Rinella, that was my thought. | ||
| I was like, I don't want to participate in factory farming. | ||
| So what am I going to do? | ||
| I'm going to do one of two things. | ||
| I'm going to either go hunting, I'm going to hunt for my own food, because I knew there was something wrong. | ||
| I'm like, it's too easy to just get a steak. | ||
| I would always pick up a steak, and I'd go, this needs to be an animal. | ||
| Here I am at the supermarket. | ||
| Now it's a styrofoam container wrapped in saran wrap. | ||
| This is fucking weird. | ||
| It's weird that you could just do this. | ||
| So my thought was, if I shoot an animal and I hate it, I didn't know how it was going to feel. | ||
| I've fished all my life. | ||
| But when I shot that deer... | ||
| And I was like, oh, I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was an extreme amount of respect. | ||
| It's on video. | ||
| I mean, you can see it on media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anybody who wants to watch it, you can watch it online. | ||
| The first time I ever shot a deer. | ||
| It was intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then cutting it up and eating it that night, I was like, well, this makes sense. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| And then when you actually find out that these animals, the money from hunting tags and even from buying hunting gear, there's a percentage of money that goes towards conservation, and this is all very carefully thought out by people like you and by these people that really respect and care for these animals. | ||
| Yeah, and you get deeper and deeper into this and you understand what it really is and then you see this whole community of these people like yourself and Remy Warren and these hardcore hunters that are also like deeply connected to the land and Conservation and deeply appreciate these animals and this is how they get all their meat. | ||
| Yeah, this is how they live and like that was Extremely appealing to me. | ||
| Yeah, it's a I think Steve Rinella has done a great job Getting that message out in a perfect way, really. | ||
| I mean, he's a great spokesman. | ||
| I used to watch his show before Meteor. | ||
| Now I can't remember what it was called. | ||
| The Wild Within. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| And I remember he had just something about him that I'm like, okay, this is different. | ||
| I've been a hunter myself my whole life, but his... | ||
| His portrayal was different than what we'd seen before. | ||
| Maybe me and some of the other people you've mentioned and Adam have just carried that on and tried to do a good job of educating people who don't know any better. | ||
| I wish everybody I mean that last day we were up in the mountains there after I had killed my deer and we had a back strap so we're picking up camp getting everything away but I had I had a awesome fallow deer back strap which is like the prime for people don't as a prime cut and I cut it all I cleaned it all off every piece of Anything | ||
| that was on it, hair, if there's any tree bark, anything that was on there. | ||
| It was just a perfect, clean piece of meat. | ||
| I sliced it all up. | ||
| We got a green stick to put it on. | ||
| Skewered it on a green... | ||
| Wood. | ||
| If it's dry wood, the wood's just going to burn. | ||
| You can't cook on that, so it's got to be green. | ||
| We put it over the fire there. | ||
| We seasoned it. | ||
| It was so good. | ||
| It was probably some of the best meat I've ever eaten. | ||
| Standing around the campfire, just pulling that off that stick that we had cooked it over the open flame. | ||
| I wish everybody could know what that was like. | ||
| To know that that deer, just previous to that, was alive in the woods. | ||
| We harvested him, which is aka killed him, and then ate him. | ||
| And that circle of life, or whatever you want to call it, or just that moment, I wish everybody could experience it because I just think they'd have a different take on On hunting and hunters and being self-sustaining. | ||
| It's very different. | ||
| Meat is very different when you've killed it yourself. | ||
| It's impossible to describe without experiencing it. | ||
| I mean, I could try. | ||
| I could give it my best shot, but I'll fall short. | ||
| But I remember eating that meat that we ate when I was in Montana with Ranella, the first hunt. | ||
| And it was so delicious. | ||
| And we're cooking it over a campfire, and Steve had brought this little grill. | ||
| Not a grill, like a grate, you know, that we'd set down over the fire. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Adam has that deer. | ||
| And it's like, like if you buy a steak and you cook it, it's great, tastes good. | ||
| Like, oh, this is a good steak. | ||
| This is nice. | ||
| But there's no connection there. | ||
| No. | ||
| None. | ||
| When you're eating an animal that you killed yourself and it's difficult to do, and you were hard hunting for many, many days before you got that deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's this intense respect and connection that... | ||
| I think we all, I mean, we harp on about it so many times that people listen to these podcasts, like, Jesus Christ, you guys stop talking about how awesome hunting is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's because it's impacted both of us in a very, very positive way, in a very, there's a primal, genetic, sort of ancestral thing that's happening when you hunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some lights that go off that you didn't even know were there. | ||
| Like, oh, I didn't even know there was a switch over there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like, oh, this is a part of my brain that's lit up that it was never lit up before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not what everybody thinks, the negative aspects. | ||
| It's not a barbaric thing. | ||
| It's not a cruelty thing. | ||
| It's a very respectful thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I understand the people that have bad feelings about it. | ||
| I understand the people that look at it like animal cruelty, like, you don't have to do that. | ||
| You can get food other ways. | ||
| You can eat beans, and you don't need to do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I understand how they're thinking. | ||
| But... | ||
| My thought process is very different. | ||
| My thought process is what you're doing, what I'm doing, what all these people that do that hunt is you're entering into the wild and you're for a small window, a week or whatever it is, you're becoming a part of this crazy cycle of nature. | ||
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| You're taking something out of that and leaving something as well. | ||
| You're spending a ton of money. | ||
| That money, whether it's the money for the outfitters, the money for the tags, the money for the gear, all that stuff, percentage of that goes to make sure that the habitat is maintained, make sure that the animal population is maintained, make sure that Department of Fish and Game is well staffed with biologists, with people that are monitoring these animals. | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| If that doesn't get done, these animals are not going to be there anymore. | ||
| And North America has the best wildlife management program or management system of anywhere. | ||
| And that's why almost all the species that we have here, there's more now than there almost ever has been, even with shrinking habitat, because we're encroaching on where they live. | ||
| But the numbers still flourish, because hunters aren't just, oh, let's go wipe them all out. | ||
| It's managed. | ||
| Fishing game is managed. | ||
| They're funded by hunters and what we pay with the tax and license. | ||
| And so there's a system to it. | ||
| But at the end of the day, like there in Australia, we were getting up in the morning out of the sleeping bag, grabbing our bow and taking off. | ||
| We're hunters. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And that feels, man, it feels, like I said, I wish people could know what it feels like because I see people comment on my social media and they say, this isn't the 19th century anymore. | ||
| You don't have to be a Neanderthal or whatever. | ||
| But it's just, we are hunters. | ||
| Yeah, well most of those people have cheeseburgers on their Instagram pages, which is fucking hilarious. | ||
| There's so much of that. | ||
| This one chick, she posted something mean when I posted a picture of some elk that I was cooking, and I said, hey honey, I go, you got, I like to call girls honey because it makes them feel like I'm a sexist. | ||
| You got a fucking BLT on your page, sweetie. | ||
| And she's like, well, that was just from four months ago before I was enlightened. | ||
| I'm like, oh, you became enlightened. | ||
| It's always the most adamant vegans just became one. | ||
| The most proselytizing, ruthlessly aggressive ones. | ||
| I understand where they're coming from. | ||
| And I think that's very important to get our message across. | ||
| Is that, like, we're not animal haters. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| It's hard for people to understand that someone could love animals and love the idea of animals and love wildlife, but still eat them. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I always... | ||
| I climbed up in this tree there. | ||
| I found this place where the deer were coming into this field. | ||
| And, like I said, this area had been hunting, but I... I had figured nobody had ever hunted out of a tree there, you know, not like a whitetail back here, you know, in the east or in the south that get trees down and hunted all the time. | ||
| So I'm like, well, I think I can get up in this tree. | ||
| These deer coming out in this area, I probably have a pretty good chance. | ||
| So I was up there in the tree and these does and fawns were out in the field and they were running around chasing each other, playing. | ||
| I mean, it was just like speeding all around in circles and bumping into each other. | ||
| And, uh, It was cool to see. | ||
| And then a doe and a spike, a young buck, came out right under my tree. | ||
| The spike was 24, 25 yards away. | ||
| Basically a chip shot with a bow. | ||
| I had no idea I was there. | ||
| And there was a thought that we were getting low on meat in camp. | ||
| And I hadn't killed a deer. | ||
| So, you know, I had said before, I'm like, any buck that comes out, I'm taking him. | ||
| And then I was watching him up there, and I'm just like, I just, you know, for me... | ||
| It's got to be the right animal. | ||
| It's not just like I'm not some bloodthirsty, you know, I still watch the deer. | ||
| I still appreciate their beauty and that, you know, they're frolicking about or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| And I still enjoyed that. | ||
| This young buck was down and I had said I was going to get meat for camp, but I'm not some bloodthirsty guy. | ||
| So I just said, well, no, I'm just going to watch him and, you know, enjoy it. | ||
| And he was there. | ||
| And then the buck I ended up killing. | ||
| Stepped out and you know an old buck he was you could see his hip bones because he was so run down from the rut and he was getting older I could tell he was an older mature deer and that's that's what I want to take I want to take an animal past its prime that has done his job for spread his genes for the health of the herd and was that's the animals we want to take out and so he was he was just a run down old buck that's what I took Yeah, | ||
| the problem is that people associate someone who wants to take an older, big, mature animal with trophy hunting. | ||
| Like, oh, you just want the antlers. | ||
| You just want a big... | ||
| But they don't understand that that is actually the animal that you should take. | ||
| Yeah, and he's still great meat. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| That's just, you know, for the health of the herd, that's the one you want. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, if you're doing it right. | ||
| The young ones then will get a chance to fill his spot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that would be the natural position if there was an... | ||
| This is the natural position if there's predators. | ||
| The natural position is the really young ones, like the fawns, get taken out. | ||
| And then the really old ones who start getting worn down, they get taken out. | ||
| And then everything in the middle gets to breed. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then this guy who's eight years old or whatever he is, he's had plenty of opportunity to spread his genetics. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so his offspring will be everywhere, and then they'll get a chance now. | ||
| And the thing is, nobody makes it out. | ||
| Nobody makes it out alive. | ||
| They're all dying. | ||
| We're all dying. | ||
| So if I wouldn't have killed that buck, it doesn't mean he's going to live forever. | ||
| I mean, he's going to die one way or another. | ||
| He's not going to become a fairy. | ||
| The fact that he died, I shot him, and he was dead within seconds is guaranteed, and people always talk shit about this, is the very best way he could go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want him starving to death. | ||
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| Or, you know, dying because his teeth don't work anymore. | ||
| He literally can't eat food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen animals where you look at their teeth and there are almost none left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You get like a really old buck. | ||
| No, this buck's teeth were flat in the back. | ||
| So it's just, when you can't eat, they got to gum it. | ||
| They can't gum enough. | ||
| Yeah, they can't grind down the food. | ||
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Stop breaking it down. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| You know, and Adam also found two bucks that had fought and got stuck. | ||
| They were fighting and a fence was in between them, just a cattle fence. | ||
| They got stuck in the fence, died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's just, their life is, I mean, how many guys out here in the street, you know, fight and kill each other and get stuck It doesn't happen, you know, it's life in the wild is I mean unless you're out there and you witness things like that you just live in it's a it's not real I think the real problem is perspective, | ||
| you know, I mean I think unless you're there unless you're experiencing the wilderness itself Like, I've talked about my experience on Prince of Wales Island that, you know, Brian Callan and Rinella and I, we were up there for, I guess, I think we camped there for six days. | ||
| And your idea of what, like, life is... | ||
| It's only based on what your perception is, like what you're seeing on a daily basis. | ||
| Well, here, you're seeing Ventura Boulevard, and you're seeing billboards, and oh, new movies coming out, and keeping up with the Kardashians. | ||
| There's a new season. | ||
| Look at that new Audi. | ||
| Wow, that's a sweet-looking car. | ||
| Hey, I got the new iPhone. | ||
| All right, and this is life. | ||
| And then you're out there, and you go, oh, well, this is life, too. | ||
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Total quiet, like this. | |
| No cell phone service. | ||
| Rain. | ||
| Animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then if you die, no one's going to know. | ||
| No. | ||
| If you fall and break your neck and die right there, something will eat you. | ||
| No one will find you. | ||
| And that's normal. | ||
| You're trying to stay warm. | ||
| You're trying to get food. | ||
| And there's more spots like that on this planet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More spots like that on this planet than spots like Los Angeles. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But that connection, I don't know. | ||
| I guess there's no... | ||
| There's no way to see it in front of your computer. | ||
| No, but if we can film it right and share it right, I think people will get it. | ||
| They're getting it a little now. | ||
| Get it more than right now. | ||
| So, I mean, that's my goal with what we've been talking about. | ||
| And, I mean, we talked about the difficulty. | ||
| I did remember I wanted to mention this. | ||
| I mean, I've been on a lot of hunts in a lot of places over the years, and I hadn't struggled like I had on this hunt. | ||
| It was so difficult. | ||
| I was telling the guys back there, I said, I'm questioning my life right now. | ||
| What am I doing with my life? | ||
| And it's just because I'm like... | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| I'm not going to get it done. | ||
| And the animals don't care about my goals. | ||
| They don't care about that, oh, we're supposed to be making this great film and portray hunting. | ||
| They're like, no. | ||
| They're just staying alive. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Everything that I felt like I wanted to do or achieve, it was just like, it's not going to happen. | ||
| And it felt like... | ||
| Have I lost it? | ||
| You know, I mean, it was just like, this is hard. | ||
| But when it works, and you do it right, and that shot happens, then it's just like, okay. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| It's just that doing something so difficult and being successful, and I've said this before, has made me who I am. | ||
| You know, I mean, without a challenge like that, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know where I'd be right now. | ||
| Sometimes you cuss it, and then, man, you're just so appreciative of the journey. | ||
| Well, those difficult moments, the only thing that makes success worthwhile, success was easy. | ||
| If you woke up in the morning, first day, yawn, have a cup of coffee, step five steps, there's the biggest deer that's ever lived. | ||
| Shoot one right through his heart. | ||
| You wouldn't even feel it. | ||
| It wouldn't be like... | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And I don't think people understand how difficult it is, too, because they watch these TV shows. | ||
| If you ever watch a hunting show, they're half an hour long. | ||
| So you're watching 22 minutes without commercials, right? | ||
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| In 22 minutes, you know, they usually build up for the first, you know, 15 minutes. | ||
| Well, you know, we came close to them, but we could not get a shot. | ||
| And then finally they get a shot. | ||
| What you don't see... | ||
| Is that it takes days and days and days of 10, 12 hours, up and down mountains, up and down and up and down. | ||
| And when I met you, the reason why I got in contact with you and the reason why I met you is because I was so confused as to why someone would need to run ultra marathons in order to get ready for hunting. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing? | ||
| Why is he lifting weights and doing all this shit for... | ||
| I didn't get it. | ||
| I was just getting into it, and I was trying to figure out... | ||
| I would start to watch things on television, and I was starting to read certain articles and read certain books, and I was like, well, what is this whole fitness connection to hunting? | ||
| Why do they need to be in shape? | ||
| I'm like, I'm in pretty good shape. | ||
| What's the big deal? | ||
| Well, I went with Rinella, and when I went with Rinella, one of the things I realized was, boy, I got pretty winded going up these fucking hills. | ||
| Hiking tires you out. | ||
| Especially high altitude. | ||
| And then I see your videos online, and I was like, what the fuck is this guy into? | ||
| And then as I go deeper and deeper into it, I realize like, oh, this is like an extreme pursuit. | ||
| This is not just like something you just go out and do. | ||
| This is something that's really hard to do. | ||
| And a lot of people, I've... | ||
| Read this one article about this one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years in a row elk hunting before he finally shot an elk. | ||
| 12 years! | ||
| Like, how many times did this guy go out? | ||
| How many days did he camp in the forest? | ||
| How many days did he try to stalk and get winded or snap on a twig at the last minute or, you know, the elk sees him and bolts? | ||
| Most people are unsuccessful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean 9 out of 10 every year are unsuccessful. | ||
| I think it's more than that. | ||
| Like for elk hunting with archery? | ||
| It's about 10% success. | ||
| Is it 10%? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So 9 out of 10 are unsuccessful. | ||
| So people who don't hunt, who see, you know, dead stuff all the time, they think, oh, you just go out and kill an animal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Most, 90% don't. | ||
| It is really hard. | ||
| And it's just like... | ||
| Until you're out there, you got the bow in your hand, and you're trying to close in on that animal, and you're trying to do everything right from A to Z, and there's so many variables during that whole path, it's just like, it seems impossible sometimes. | ||
| You know, even for me after 30 years. | ||
| And there's a very strange connection that you get with nature, and forget about even the fact that you're pursuing these animals to hunt them and eat them, but there's a very strange connection that you get when you're out there in that total quiet, Woods where they live you're in their world and you lock eyes with them and you meet them and you see them and you're in this place with no cell phone reception with no people anywhere near you from miles and miles. | ||
| Yeah, it's a totally different feeling life shows you Another aspect of itself that you didn't know existed. | ||
| Yeah Yeah. | ||
| And it's out there every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we're just, you know, living in our... | ||
| We're muted. | ||
| We're very muted. | ||
| There's something about cities and this existence. | ||
| I mean, don't get me wrong, I like it. | ||
| I like a lot of it. | ||
| I like the fact that you can go to a restaurant. | ||
| I like going to the movies. | ||
| I like the fact that if, you know, if your phone breaks, you go to the fucking mall and get a new cell phone. | ||
| All that stuff's wonderful. | ||
| It's not bad, but the other stuff is fantastic, too. | ||
| And we're disconnected. | ||
| A giant percentage of our population lives in these urban environments that have a complete and total disconnect from the actual life on Earth. | ||
| Life on Earth is not just urban environments. | ||
| Life on Earth has this broad spectrum of different ways it manifests itself. | ||
| And to experience all these different ones, to be in Alberta and see black bears in the wild, to be in Colorado and see mule deer and be in the woods and the mountains and to be around these different animals... | ||
| It's a different it's a different understanding of the actual existence that living things have here on earth that living things that share the air you breathe and the water you drink and the earth itself that was that was the best part of that trip because we would split up Adam would go one way. | ||
| I would go another way in the morning. | ||
| I'd have Mark Womack with me. | ||
| He'd have Jameson was his cameraman's name would go with him and The best part was at the end of the day Hearing what everybody saw. | ||
| Not if you killed something, because we didn't... | ||
| I mean, we were there a long time and didn't kill very much. | ||
| But just what everybody saw, you know, from the bucks being locked up that were dead to one morning we were up and... | ||
| I heard something, a commotion up ahead of us, and Mark says, it's a buck rubbing his antlers. | ||
| And I listened for a second, I said, no, that's two bucks fighting. | ||
| So we took off up the hill, and I got 25 yards away, and these bucks were just going at it, just fighting, pushing each other around. | ||
| Couldn't get a clear shot. | ||
| Didn't get up there in time to do that. | ||
| But that story. | ||
| And then Adam would say, well, he called in three fox. | ||
| You know, he did a varmint call and three fox came running in. | ||
| Or he saw this many wild boars. | ||
| Or he was close to getting, saw a giant fallow buck. | ||
| However, it didn't work out. | ||
| And then I would share a story about what I saw, you know, about... | ||
| Another brown snake or something like that. | ||
| And that was so fun, just getting together over the campfire. | ||
| Not talking about what we killed, but just what we saw and experienced. | ||
| I flew home last night and just got in this morning to LA, and I'm looking around the airport. | ||
| I was thinking about all the people. | ||
| I wonder how many actually would get me. | ||
| Because I feel like... | ||
| An outsider a little bit, especially coming back from a hunt. | ||
| And I'm just looking at everybody thinking, I don't get them, they probably don't get me. | ||
| But you at least understand what they're doing. | ||
| I think, you know, I mean, when I was checking my luggage in, I flew Virgin. | ||
| Coming back from Sydney to LA and the lady there at the check-in, she's like, what's in that case? | ||
| And I said, it's a bow. | ||
| A weapon? | ||
| I go, could be, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bow and arrow. | ||
| What were you doing? | ||
| I said, hunting. | ||
| She goes, what were you hunting? | ||
| Oh, don't tell me. | ||
| Don't tell me. | ||
| She didn't even want to hear it. | ||
| Did she have leather shoes on? | ||
| I was hunting buffalo. | ||
| She's like, there's buffalo here? | ||
| I said, well, not here. | ||
| But yeah, there's a lot of buffalo in Australia. | ||
| And she's like, well, I don't think you can fly with a bow and arrow. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| I don't think you've looked into it. | ||
| Yeah, you can. | ||
| I said, it's not even like a firearm weapon type thing. | ||
| You just check it in, just normal. | ||
| But anyway, I was like, oh man. | ||
| How old was this lady? | ||
| Oh, she wasn't old. | ||
| She's younger than me, probably. | ||
| I don't think you can fly with a bow in it. | ||
| Why was she telling you that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She never looked into that. | ||
| I said, I go, well, I ended up, didn't have to do anything. | ||
| She said, you're going to have to sign all this stuff because they're not allowed. | ||
| And I'm just like, I said, listen, I fly with this all over the world. | ||
| Is this a lady who worked there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, she didn't know? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| So she said they're way more strict, which maybe they are. | ||
| Virgin is more strict? | ||
| That's what she said. | ||
| I said, well, I just flew Qantas to Darwin and back, and nobody said a word. | ||
| She goes, have you ever been in Australia before with it? | ||
| I said, yeah. | ||
| I said, listen, I've been everywhere. | ||
| It's never an issue. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I'm not trying to... | ||
| I mean, just trust me. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| But yeah, it's just there's times when I'm just like, God, am I the outsider or what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, you know, it's like we were talking before this when we were on the way over here about a show that wanted me to come on and talk about guns. | ||
| But there's going to be like a large audience and there's going to be a bunch of people on the panel and you talk for seven minutes and you go to commercial break and I'm like, I'm not interested. | ||
| I'm not interested in doing that because I think that it's a long conversation that you have to have with someone and it takes a while for you to understand their point of view. | ||
| It takes a while for them to understand your point of view. | ||
| It takes a while to establish the fact that you're a very reasonable person and this is a very nuanced conversation. | ||
| Much like when that guy in France ran over a bunch of people with his truck, I don't think the truck should be outlawed. | ||
| I think the real issue is human beings that are capable of doing horrible shit. | ||
| It's crazy people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why are they capable of doing that? | ||
| Let's get to the bottom of that and let's stop ignoring all the factors and just concentrating only on the weapon, right? | ||
| That kind of conversation is a long conversation that I think takes hours and hours and you still might not get to the bottom of it. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's how I feel about like you talking to someone about hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if you came over here, it's almost like I don't even want to tell them. | ||
| Like if someone says like that you have a bow, like what's in the case? | ||
| It's a bow and arrow. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Oh, I practice archery. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's easier that way. | ||
| Like to shoot at targets. | ||
| Oh, you're target shooting. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| That's in the Olympics. | ||
| Yep, it's in the Olympics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except my targets, they move and they have antlers. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You can't tell them that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I think I'm just like... | ||
| It takes too long. | ||
| Yeah, it does, but I don't know. | ||
| I think I just don't like hiding who I am, basically. | ||
| So I'm always... | ||
| I just say, hey, this is what I do. | ||
| She's like, don't tell me. | ||
| I'm like, I was hunting buffalo. | ||
| I'm telling you, I don't care. | ||
| They're an invasive species. | ||
| No, they live there. | ||
| You're going to hear what I was doing, whether you like it or not. | ||
| Nobody wants to hear it. | ||
| Well, it's kind of like with my social media. | ||
| I like putting up stuff so I can just weed the people out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like holding the buffalo head in the water. | ||
| I'm like, okay, this is going to weed out some of the people who I really don't want here anyway. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're going to get mad at you for sure, but they would get mad anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of people that listen to these conversations, and they get a perspective that they would have never had. | ||
| There's a lot of people right now that are listening, that are in their car, that are on the bus or whatever, and they've got their headphones on, and they're thinking about this in a way that they never thought about it before, because in their mind, because of the fact they live in these urban environments, and they've never been exposed to hunting, and they get all their meat from a store, or from a supermarket, or from a restaurant, they just never heard anybody talk about it. | ||
| And it's a weird part of our life. | ||
| It's a dangerous disconnect, I think, with life and death. | ||
| The dangerous disconnect of restaurants and supermarkets. | ||
| Well, here's one thing. | ||
| I think people just get tuned in to what they're interested in. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| I mean, even Instagram does it. | ||
| So, on the Explore page or whatever that is, what comes up is what you look at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what comes up on my page is like... | ||
| Hunting and fitness. | ||
| Yeah, that's so it's all that so whatever you're looking at whether it's Gay guys or cooking, that's your world. | ||
| So that's sort of what our world is now, is we're only exposed to really what we want to be exposed to, you know? | ||
| And that's why I'm like, no, I'm hunting buffalo. | ||
| I want that lady to be exposed to something different. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So, I don't know, it's just... | ||
| It's confirmation. | ||
| I don't really know what my point is. | ||
| Well, what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense is that people do, they find these communities with like-minded people and it becomes an echo chamber. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're preaching to the choir. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that goes all the way back to like a million hours ago, it feels like, since we've been talking about why that Netflix thing is so appealing to me and having you involved. | ||
| It's just because we've reached so many new people and hunting is so important to me and I think... | ||
| People can understand what motivates us and why it's important. | ||
| I just want that shown right and shared right. | ||
| There's definitely a way to do it. | ||
| I don't know where we should go, whether it's the Buffalo Place or somewhere else, but I think it's a great idea to do. | ||
| Steve Rinella's show is on Netflix now, and it has one star. | ||
| Does? | ||
| Yeah, people are so angry. | ||
| They find it. | ||
| Fuck, you shouldn't have to eat meat. | ||
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You can get everything you want from celery. | |
| Yeah, people get super aggro. | ||
| You know, you want to make people really angry? | ||
| Tell them that there's a growing body of science that shows that plants are intelligent. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they feel, they scream and all that. | ||
| Fucking freak out like babies. | ||
| You don't even have to say that this justifies eating meat. | ||
| Just put that up. | ||
| When I put that on Twitter, just the data about that, and people will fucking go crazy and attack me for hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or if you talk about all the animals that die when they're salads being made, you know? | ||
| Right, you don't want to hear that either. | ||
| No, it's different, whatever. | ||
| They prioritize or put different importance on animals. | ||
| We've talked about that, too. | ||
| Well, they feel like they're doing a good thing, and they are in many ways. | ||
| Look, if you're eschewing factory farming, you're avoiding factory farming and eating more salads and eating farm-to-table vegetables instead, you are definitely contributing to less death and suffering, 100%. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But you're contributing to some. | ||
| You just are. | ||
| If you eat grain, you're contributing to... | ||
| First of all, what do you care about? | ||
| Do you care about insects? | ||
| Like, where do you draw the line? | ||
| Because if you don't care about insects, well, then you're okay. | ||
| But if you do, if you think that insects are alive, well, there's pesticides, they're fucking... | ||
| It's a holocaust every day out there for fucking bugs. | ||
| They're spraying those goddamn things constantly. | ||
| I mean, if you want to have healthy crops... | ||
| There's a reason why they have these pesticides. | ||
| Yeah, it's because they want to kill these animals that are trying to eat the crops kill these little bugs Well, and I don't know I just keep going back to this recent trip just because I think about it It's just like here's another example. | ||
| So those the brown snakes up there are Second most deadly and we saw a number of brown snakes in the road while we were driving Adam swerves around them and To try to not kill him. | ||
| Not kill him. | ||
| He wants him to stay alive. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Big spider he had crawling on his face. | ||
| I saw that thing. | ||
| Why did he let that thing crawl on his face? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because he's Australian. | ||
| A different breed of human. | ||
| But not killing. | ||
| Is that on his Instagram? | ||
| Yeah, it is somewhere. | ||
| Adam.GreenTree.BowHunting. | ||
| No, he changed it to just Adam GreenTree. | ||
| Adam.GreenTree. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The bow hunting part? | ||
| I think it was too confusing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't think he's worried about that at all. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Angry people? | ||
| Boy, that guy seems immune to hate. | ||
| Yeah, it's a... | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He is. | ||
| But he is sensitive, too. | ||
| I mean, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's not like we're just cold-blooded killers. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There was one time we didn't have an argument, but I didn't believe him about something. | ||
| And he was so upset. | ||
| He's like... | ||
| He goes, I'm brutally honest. | ||
| And he's mad that I didn't believe him. | ||
| So it's like he's a warm-hearted person. | ||
| He's not just running over snakes and killing... | ||
| He's not a robot. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And so people think that we're just these cold-blooded killers out there, barbaric or whatever. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| And I don't want to judge people who aren't, but I feel like we are just... | ||
| We understand the circle of life better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, you're definitely more accustomed to being around it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exposed to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I think, like I said, I have friends that are vegans. | ||
| I know a lot of vegans. | ||
| And people think that for some reason I hate vegans. | ||
| I mock a lot of things. | ||
| I make fun of things that are targets. | ||
| And a lot of, like, the proselytizing nature of... | ||
| Vegans and the angry, self-righteous, moral high ground stance that they take, it's easy to mock. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| I think most of the people that do it, they do it for good reasons. | ||
| Most of the, you know, trying the lifestyle and eating that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's also health problems with it, you know, and people don't like you saying that either. | ||
| I know a lot of people that have tried it and they give up after a while because they bought it. | ||
| My friend Sophie from the Comedy Store, she just started eating eggs again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For the longest time, she was just trying to just go straight vegan. | ||
| She kept getting her blood work back, and it wasn't healthy. | ||
| Actually, she wasn't the blood work. | ||
| Sam Harris was the blood work guy. | ||
| He went vegan for a while, but his blood work was all fucked up, so he started eating fish and eggs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like there's people that... | ||
| Different bodies... | ||
| Are more adaptable to different kinds of diets and some people just don't do well on an all plant-based diet and Maybe they're not as disciplined as some folks. | ||
| Maybe they're not doing it, right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to say but everybody's everybody's different, but I don't think there's anything wrong With going out and killing animals and eating them. | ||
| And I think that's where we differ from a lot of people that think that you should not be allowed to do that. | ||
| You should not be allowed because it's barbaric. | ||
| I don't think it's barbaric. | ||
| I think it's spiritual. | ||
| And that's what freaks people out. | ||
| They get very angry if you say that. | ||
| But they wouldn't get angry if you talked about Native Americans doing it. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| And the thing is, the big difference is, I don't care if they don't eat meat. | ||
| I don't judge them for not eating meat, but they judge us for killing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's pretty one-sided as far as they won't accept being a hunter and being self-sufficient while any hunter I know isn't going on vegan pages and talking shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's just weird how they're so hateful and so... | ||
| One site, you know, up on our soapbox. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't feel like we'd do that. | ||
| Some people do it. | ||
| I know there's going to be people that say, they're going to say, oh, first of all, they're going to say, how many times am I going to be on here? | ||
| As many times as he can come. | ||
| There's a lot of other podcasts, folks. | ||
| What's the record? | ||
| Of most people on here? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| For the most number of repeat guests. | ||
| Somebody probably knows. | ||
| Probably Joey Diaz. | ||
| Callan's probably pushing. | ||
| Callan? | ||
| Yeah, Callan. | ||
| All the fight companions and everything. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| And then they'll say, talking about more boring hunting shit. | ||
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I know. | |
| You don't have to listen, folks. | ||
| I do a lot of podcasts. | ||
| I got one later today with Jordan Peterson. | ||
| I guarantee you we're not going to be talking about hunting. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| He's a professor at the University of Toronto. | ||
| He might hunt. | ||
| He might. | ||
| I don't think he does, though. | ||
| He hunts liberals. | ||
| But one of the things is about what we were talking about earlier, that we were saying that people sort of find their area and it becomes like an echo chamber. | ||
| And I think that's one of the issues with, whether it's veganism or even hunting, is that I think that people, they need to be, have these dialogues with people that don't necessarily agree with them so they can find out how the other person thinks. | ||
| And, you know, if you do, if you are talking to a person who's a hunter and you find out that they're actually just a cruel psychopath, like, fuck man, I wouldn't want to hang out with that guy. | ||
| I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I know they must be out there. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There's freaks in everything. | ||
| In everything, yeah. | ||
| And you were having a conversation with someone like that, I mean, it would be disturbing. | ||
| But I think that most people that are, especially people like yourself or a guy like Remy Warren, Or Steve Rinella, very well-spoken, who's also an advocate for conservation, loves wildlife. | ||
| If they sat down and had a long-form conversation like this with someone who's a reasonable person, who's a vegan for all the right reasons, who's a vegan because they care about life and because they want to be cruelty-free and they want to live life with as little footprint as possible, I think they'd be surprised at how much common ground they find. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if anybody spent a day in the woods with Remy or Adam, they'd be shocked at how much, not hunting they know, just how much they know about... | ||
| The environment, about where they're hunting, about different species, about the animals and tendencies and foliage. | ||
| I mean, those guys are amazing. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that almost like what we're talking about with the Aborigines, we're kind of losing their culture. | ||
| We're losing out on an understanding of how these people lived. | ||
| There's a little bit of that could be said about the culture of hunting. | ||
| Is that if it goes away, and if it... | ||
| There was a trend about 10, maybe 15, 20 years ago, where, from what I've read at least, obviously I'm pretty new to it, I've only been hunting for five years, but they were considerably worried, they were really worried, there was a real thought that the next few generations, | ||
| that hunting was going to dwindle down to such a low number that hunters would not have the same sort of impact In terms of politically, where they could affect the retaining of public lands. | ||
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| And which is a huge issue with Americans today. | ||
| And you're seeing it with this Trump administration where you're seeing the erosion of the Environmental Protection Agency and the erosion of the status, the protected status that some national monuments have and perhaps public lands have. | ||
| People are super nervous. | ||
| And you had a conversation, a long conversation with Jason Chavitz. | ||
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| Chavitz? | ||
| Chavitz? | ||
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Chaffetz. | |
| Chaffetz, who had a very controversial bill that he had out that was pulled back. | ||
| It was a bill to sell off public land that was pulled back because of the activism of hunters and people who care. | ||
| Yeah, it was what they were going to determine was disposable. | ||
| Yeah, three million acres of disposable land. | ||
| Well, that was H.R. 621, and then there's H.R. 622 also. | ||
| So there's two of them kind of back-to-back different. | ||
| 622 just took away the law enforcement on public lands, and they wanted to take it from the federal government and give it to the state, which people think that's just a way... | ||
| Where the states can say, well, we can't afford it, so we're going to have to sell this public land. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because it's a resource, and the states have to balance their budget every year. | ||
| Federal government doesn't. | ||
| So if the state has to balance its budget, and it's not penciling out, and they can sell X amount of acres, and that's going to help, they're going to do that. | ||
| That's all there is to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| There's also wildfire protection. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a bunch of issues. | ||
| Fighting wildfires, it's a federal issue. | ||
| But if it's private land, if the state sells it, all that shit's gone. | ||
| There's no more federal protection. | ||
| Yeah, and you look at, I don't know, that's a big one. | ||
| And so sportsman's really stepped up, and that was through social media, how they can, now we have more of a voice than we've ever had. | ||
| You know, before it was just these politicians making decisions and, you know, us little people didn't really have a say. | ||
| Now we have a say. | ||
| I mean, Jason Chaffetz, you'd think, well, why would he care? | ||
| You look at his Instagram page, he might have, you know, I don't think he has 20,000, whereas we have pretty big numbers, especially you. | ||
| So if you mention something about it, he gets overwhelmed with, hey, are you looking out for us? | ||
| Are you doing the right thing by us? | ||
| We won't vote you in next time. | ||
| And so then it makes those guys think... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Well, did you see his town hall meeting? | ||
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| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| It's all sportsmen and sportswomen showed up, and all people that care about public lands, and they went crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| Kind of a go-rope. | ||
| Yeah, I had mixed feelings on that because the yelling and stuff doesn't... | ||
| At least it sends a very clear message that people are obsessed. | ||
| It doesn't accomplish much as far as there. | ||
| But yeah, it sends a message for sure. | ||
| Yeah, it's dangerous. | ||
| And he's not going to be a politician anymore. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| He's resigning. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I see every once in a while he likes some of my stuff. | ||
| I hear he's going into male prostitution. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| Is that true, Jamie? | ||
| Can you Google that? | ||
| I just made that up. | ||
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I know. | |
| Jason, if you're listening, I'm a comedian, and I'm sorry. | ||
| No. | ||
| Don't sue me. | ||
| He seemed like a super nice guy, but it's... | ||
| He's a politician. | ||
| And I told him, I said, listen... | ||
| Or at least he was. | ||
| I go, listen, you're the first politician I've ever met. | ||
| And he's like, oh, you've lived a charmed life. | ||
| Puzzled by representing Chavitt's decision to quit Congress. | ||
| Well, I bet it's that fucking, going to that town hall and having all those people screaming at him. | ||
| Probably thinking, what am I doing? | ||
| Well, he's, you know, like I said, he seemed nice, but maybe that politicians have to be personable. | ||
| That's how they get elected. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You ever watch House of Cards? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| Good show. | ||
| You should watch it. | ||
| Yeah, it'll freak you the fuck out. | ||
| If it's really like that, you should be scared. | ||
| We should all be scared. | ||
| So I'd like to learn more. | ||
| I haven't asked him, you know, what's going on or whatever, but yeah, I mean, I liked the fact that he at least took time out to talk about it, you know, instead of just, I'm not sure why he did, but I appreciated the fact that he did. | ||
| Well, he's an interesting guy because he saves money for the people by sleeping in his office. | ||
| He has a cot in his office that he sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms for the people. | ||
| So it's not like he's a total piece of shit. | ||
| No. | ||
| I didn't get that feeling. | ||
| But... | ||
| But Ranella has a very bad opinion of him based on his record with defending public land. | ||
| And Ranella thinks that he does not understand the significance of these decisions. | ||
| These decisions are a step in the wrong direction that will snowball out of control and will eventually lead to privatizing of public lands and the loss of the access to them by the American people that was all set aside by Teddy Roosevelt and all those people that had such great insight and foresight back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, and that's, you know, that was the worry with, he says, well, no, I'm just taking the law enforcement away from these lands, or not taking it away, but giving it to the state. | ||
| And like I said, with the whole budget thing, so people were thinking that when they don't have enough money, not just for the law enforcement, but for... | ||
| Enforcing illegal timber harvests and dumping trash. | ||
| And so when all that happens, that lessens the value of the land. | ||
| So when the value of the land is lessened, then it's just like, okay, whatever. | ||
| This is a garbage dump anyway. | ||
| So it makes it easier. | ||
| So they thought that was just a step in the transition of taking that away from Public land and privatizing it. | ||
| That's Ranella's opinion. | ||
| Maybe it was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Jason seemed like a very nice guy when you were interviewing him. | ||
| I don't know enough about that particular issue. | ||
| But when you talk to a guy like Ranella, who is deeply invested in it and very well read on it, He is of the opinion 100% that it's an incredibly negative idea. | ||
| Both HR 621, which is gone, and 622, which he thinks is equally negative, and he thinks it's essentially like a Trojan horse. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I told him, that's what I said too, is I said, you know, sportsmen don't support 622 either. | ||
| Do girls get mad when you call it sportsmen? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Is there another word? | ||
| Outdoors people? | ||
| Sports people? | ||
| You can't say sports people. | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| Lacrosse players? | ||
| I'm so sick of that. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| It's because you're a man. | ||
| Your male privilege is showing. | ||
| Son of a bitch. | ||
| I thought it was white privilege. | ||
| That too. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You gotta have it all. | ||
| American privilege, white privilege, cisgender privilege. | ||
| Peanut butter and jelly, racist. | ||
| Yeah, peanut butter and jelly is racist. | ||
| I didn't even know what that was about. | ||
| All I saw was your post and the headline. | ||
| It didn't surprise me though. | ||
| People think that peanut butter and jelly is racist. | ||
| This is how deep it gets, because white people eat peanut butter and jelly, whereas black people don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly, so to have peanut butter and jelly as a food choice in school for kids is racist. | ||
| Because other ethnic groups don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly. | ||
| What in the fuck? | ||
| Well, first of all, who doesn't like peanut butter and jelly? | ||
| Some communists, I think. | ||
| Maybe Chinese folks. | ||
| Child molesters. | ||
| Hunters probably don't. | ||
| Yeah, that guy from that movie that molested that girl. | ||
| Yeah, who? | ||
| North Koreans, maybe? | ||
| Maybe the most evil ones? | ||
| Maybe they don't like peanut butter and jelly? | ||
| Probably. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It's delicious food choice. | ||
| People are just working too hard to be offended. | ||
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That's... | |
| You're exactly 100% correct right there. | ||
| People are working too hard to be offended. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there that are just looking for something to get ticked off at. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's too easy. | ||
| It's too easy to get by. | ||
| You know, and I think that's also something that happens when life is too fucking easy. | ||
| There's not enough struggle. | ||
| We were talking about kids and about putting your kids through difficult things so they understand accomplishing goals and they understand how things aren't easy. | ||
| You have to struggle through stuff and how it's hard today because You know, you're doing well. | ||
| I'm doing well. | ||
| Our kids are fine. | ||
| They don't have to worry about where food's coming from. | ||
| It's going to be there. | ||
| You open the fridge. | ||
| There's the food. | ||
| So you have to figure out, like, okay, how do you get this kid to understand and appreciate the value of a difficult task, overcoming that difficult task, and feeling that good feeling that you have of building character and knowing, yeah, I can push through something like you had to do during that tough hunt. | ||
| Very difficult. | ||
| Questioning yourself. | ||
| Then finally, success. | ||
| And then you have that good feeling, the good feeling of success and of accomplishment and of realizing that you will fight those demons in your mind and that you will stay the course and keep hammering, as it were, and get through on the other end with success. | ||
| And you've done it before. | ||
| And even though you've been doing it for fucking decades, those questions still come to your mind. | ||
| For me personally, that's why I work as hard as I do, just because You get wake-up calls like that and you're just like, okay, I gotta be on my A-game. | ||
| Well, it's one of the reasons why I like doing really difficult things, which leads me to what you've got me into is running. | ||
| I've been fucking running lately. | ||
| I run all the time now, man. | ||
| I run fucking hills. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I run hills. | ||
| I put a backpack on with a weight plate on. | ||
| I fucking walk hills. | ||
| I'm like, what am I doing? | ||
| So how often are you running? | ||
| Several days a week. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, depending on whether or not I'm home. | ||
| Like that route that we did? | ||
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Yep. | |
| I do that route, and I also do that steep hill near my house. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do that. | ||
| There's a couple different routes that I go. | ||
| How is it? | ||
| I mean, is it easier than... | ||
| Easier, but it still sucks a fat dick. | ||
| That's what I was about to say. | ||
| That's running. | ||
| Hey, that could be a shirt. | ||
| Running sucks a fat dick. | ||
| But I love it. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| It's definitely slightly easier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you remember that fucking steep, steep hill. | ||
| Once you get to the bottom and then you go back up. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It is awesome. | ||
| But it is always hard. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| It's never easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I'm getting to the top of that thing, but I can make it all the way up to the top now. | ||
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Can you? | |
| I don't have to stop. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I can make it all the way up to the top. | ||
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Oh, that's good. | |
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's fucking brutal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I made sure that I could get there. | ||
| Fuck, it's hard. | ||
| But you did mention that it has helped your cardio and other things. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| Well, that's one thing that I noticed. | ||
| I didn't kickbox for a couple of weeks because I'd been too busy doing other stuff, and I wanted to keep with the running because I was getting some progress out of it. | ||
| I was seeing progress. | ||
| And then I started going back into some of my other workouts. | ||
| It didn't affect my weightlifting at all, my kettlebell workouts at all. | ||
| Man kickboxing it really affected it. | ||
| Yeah, it affected it a real positive way cuz I'm doing all hills Yeah, so I'm basically sprinting a lot. | ||
| Yeah, and heart rates Jacked spiked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and so when I was I was doing rounds in the bag the other day I was like Jesus I got a lot of wind. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of crazy. | ||
| That's awesome Yeah, I was like deep into like the third and fourth round and I was still slamming the bag and I was like this is weird Like I've got like an extra gear here did have you dropped any weight? | ||
| Yeah, I've dropped a few pounds. | ||
| I'm probably like somewhere between 194 and 196 where I was hovering around 200. But I've dropped down before just by my diet, which got shitty again. | ||
| Got shitty again when I went to Mexico. | ||
| I gained like eight pounds in a week in Mexico. | ||
| Beer and Mexican food. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's not good for weight control? | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| It's definitely not. | ||
| Sure tastes good though. | ||
| Well, I haven't been doing jiu-jitsu very much. | ||
| When I do jiu-jitsu a lot, the weight just flies off. | ||
| I could eat anything. | ||
| I could eat a horse. | ||
| But jiu-jitsu is just so calorie intensive. | ||
| The way it burns, you're just fighting for your life. | ||
| What's your running goal? | ||
| Um, I don't have a running goal. | ||
| I just I'm definitely going to keep doing it and keep getting in better shape and then if Something if I decide okay, I need something to strive for yeah, then here's my goal Okay, I'm gonna do the keep hammering 5k next year and fucking kick ass at it There you go instead of this year when I did it where I was like, oh Jesus, this is hard zero running. | ||
| How about this guy? | ||
| Oh Almost 25 seconds short of the two-hour marathon barrier. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| He did break the world record, though. | ||
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That's so fast. | |
| He broke the new world record two hours and 25 seconds, I believe it was. | ||
| So he was only 25 seconds short of breaking what people think is this unattainable record. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| He'll break it, or someone like him will break it. | ||
| Oh, somebody will. | ||
| Yeah, but it's so close. | ||
| So Nike is apparently like... | ||
| Maybe you will. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think so. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| They're all built the same way. | ||
| I know. | ||
| They're all built like popsicle sticks. | ||
| It was super humid when he was running this, too. | ||
| It was like 70% humidity, which isn't ideal. | ||
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No, that's high. | |
| So it's like breathing hot water. | ||
| That's high. | ||
| Well, that probably could have been the 20 seconds, right? | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Maybe they could do that in Seattle in the winter. | ||
| The course he was running on is in Milan, I guess. | ||
| There's an article I just read yesterday. | ||
| I think it was on TechCrunch, maybe, or Wired. | ||
| Somebody, like a writer for there, was trying to break a half marathon, and he wanted to see if he could break a 90-minute half marathon. | ||
| It was his first time running on that course and he broke up like two and a half minutes. | ||
| So there's something special about that course too. | ||
| It's like a mile and a half track. | ||
| I don't know why you'd be able to run faster necessarily there, but you can. | ||
| And those shoes they made too are something special. | ||
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What's the deal with the shoes? | |
| Something super special, training. | ||
| I don't know exactly. | ||
| You can't buy them yet. | ||
| You can only win them off a raffle for now. | ||
| Maybe if he had Under Armour, he would have won. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah, that could have been the difference. | ||
| Give me those Keep Hammerin' shoes. | ||
| If you had Under Armour, Keep Hammerin' shoes that you could get at Under Armour.com. | ||
| Can you get your Keep Hammerin' shoes? | ||
| Can you buy them anywhere? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| What the fuck, Under Armour? | ||
| Get on the ball. | ||
| And you can't buy my three-button shirt I always wear either. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's a rare thing. | ||
| A shirt with buttons. | ||
| You should keep that away from the public. | ||
| Super important. | ||
| We are... | ||
| I don't know when it's going to be released, but the Cameron Haynes line is coming out. | ||
| Yeah, the Cameron Haynes Under Armour UA Hunt line, right? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Awesome. | ||
| And you're going to have a say in how it's designed? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| The boots are amazing. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Boots, camo shorts, pants... | ||
| Base layer, hoodie, jacket. | ||
| It's killer. | ||
| And when is this all this stuff? | ||
| You don't know when it's coming out? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| But they're in the development stage right now? | ||
| Yeah, I think they texted me when I was in Australia and said they have samples in for me. | ||
| Well, it was awesome when you took over the UA Hunt page on Instagram. | ||
| You're going to do more of that now, right? | ||
| Because I talked to Brian Offit. | ||
| Brian, we're going to get on the ball with this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when I took it over, the week that I took over, there was... | ||
| So if you look at impressions on Instagram, it went up 3 million. | ||
| That seems like a good thing, Brian. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| Are we waiting? | ||
| We're waiting for a response. | ||
| Looking at Brian. | ||
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Here? | |
| Looking at him in the camera. | ||
| Brian, what's up? | ||
| You can look at him up there. | ||
| Oh, what's up? | ||
| Yeah, so, no. | ||
| And when Adam took it over, when we were on that Australia hunt, it went up like, they went from... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| 493,000 to 502,000 followers. | ||
| So, pretty good jump. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good jump. | ||
| Yeah, I posted it on Instagram, too. | ||
| Yeah, and it's just a matter of putting out interesting content. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what I was saying. | ||
| Like, the Instagram story was nice, but I would have really loved it if you guys were streaming, if there was a way to stream, like, more often. | ||
| Like, if you had, like, very specific moments where you're streaming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that as technology advances, especially... | ||
| Did you see what Elon Musk is trying to do? | ||
| He's trying to fill the world with one gigabyte internet. | ||
| What he's going to do is launch satellites into the air that's going to allow people to have... | ||
| One gigabyte is fucking insanely fast. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And if that happens, you can stream live from anywhere. | ||
| But say goodbye to privacy, by the way. | ||
| There's going to be drones filming people fucking right outside their window. | ||
| It's going to get really crazy. | ||
| Live. | ||
| But what's going to be interesting is you can be in a place like where you were, and you could... | ||
| You know, call people from your phone, you could film things, you could stream live, and all that stuff would be available, and you would have real internet access in the bush. | ||
| And that's what people, people like that, I mean, they're already asking, when's the film coming out? | ||
| You know, we filmed this, Mark Womack, his company, Sub-7, filmed it for Under Armour, and we're like, we gotta turn this thing around fast, and I saw Under Armour put up that's gonna come out in the fall, and I'm like, fall? | ||
| Fuck that, Under Armour. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Listen, it's fucking May. | ||
| Chop, chop. | ||
| People don't have patience anymore. | ||
| I don't have patience anymore. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I would like you to finish the sentence quicker, please. | ||
| I saw Mark Womack. | ||
| We got off the plane together in L.A. here, and I'm like, hey, you get that movie done or what? | ||
| He's like, On the plane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said he was working. | ||
| He had been editing. | ||
| So I'm like, all right, let's get that thing posted. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I mean, people are primed for it right now. | ||
| They've followed along and are super invested in it. | ||
| And it'd be awesome to get it out quick. | ||
| Well, listen, I'm your manager now. | ||
| So I'm going to make some calls. | ||
| We've already decided. | ||
| We're going to make things happen quicker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got me running. | ||
| You got me doing a lot of shit, dude. | ||
| You got me doing a lot of things that I didn't think I'd be doing. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| So I owe you. | ||
| I owe you too for giving me this. | ||
| I really do think that it's made a big impact and I think you and Rinella and Remy Warren and Adam and the people that I've had on and Jim Shockey and you know, real representatives of the noble pursuit. | ||
| The real Hardcore enthusiasts that truly have a deep love of nature. | ||
| And they're giving these people this platform and giving these people this way to communicate these ideas. | ||
| I think the millions and millions of people that have listened to you guys, it's changed perception. | ||
| And I think that perception, there's a ripple effect. | ||
| And that perception is going to lead people to maybe read your book or read maybe Rinella's book, Meat Eater, or maybe listen to some of these books on tape or maybe look into Aldo Leopold or look into some of these people that have really been... | ||
| These huge figures in conservation and the love of wildlife and hunting, and they'll get a different understanding of it than people have had because of movies like that split movie where the hunters are portrayed as a child molester. | ||
| Well, it's like right now, you know, you said hunting was dying or, you know, that was the fear. | ||
| And now, like, in my Instagram page, it's 20-year-old guys, you know, that are into it and are buying bows and the bow rack back home is packed and, you know... | ||
| Eva Shockey and I will do appearances and we have a line that goes for hours, you know, young girls waiting for her because she's a hunter, you know, and her book coming out, Taking Aim, is about that lifestyle. | ||
| So, I mean, I feel like we're sort of turning the corner maybe a little bit and so we just keep that momentum going. | ||
| I think for sure it's turning the corner. | ||
| I mean, as far as what I see and the communication that I get with people online, I mean, the bow rack, are they experiencing an up jump in sales? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Wayne, the other day, I can't even remember what day it was, but he sold something like 40 bows. | ||
| In a day. | ||
| In a day. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like, for folks who don't know, that's like $50,000 plus in bows in a day. | ||
| And bows are a specialized thing. | ||
| It's not something that people, you know, it's a very, there's a steep learning curve to get involved. | ||
| You know, like we were talking about it, about if there was a Hoyt Academy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In California, if there's a place to go, there's not a whole lot of places to go. | ||
| Like when you took Scott Eastwood, you went to that place down in Riverside? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Riverside, R Street? | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a few great places like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's 30 million people here, and there might be five of those spots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I would love it if Hoyt had a place... | ||
| Where ideally they had more than one place, you know, where people could go and you would get fitted, they would find out what's your proper draw length, you know, what weight should you start at, what weight arrows should you start at, someone could teach you what the proper form is, how to release an arrow correctly, and really understand, I mean, even if someone never wants to hunt. | ||
| Just understand the meditative and beautiful effect of just launching an arrow at a target and have it hit that X. The Witchery of Archery. | ||
| Witchery? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is it witchery? | ||
| That's a book. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Or The Witchcraft of Archery. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Or Zen and the Art of Archery is a great book as well. | ||
| I think that's a book, The Witchcraft of Archery. | ||
| Can you look that up? | ||
| I'm almost positive I read it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Jamie, come on, help me out. | ||
| You're leaving me hanging. | ||
| The witchcraft of archery. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's probably only one copy. | ||
| The guy handed it to you. | ||
| I'm going to look it up. | ||
| I wrote this. | ||
| Oh, you don't believe him. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The Witchcraft of Archery. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Witchcraft of Archery. | ||
| Witchcraft plus Archery. | ||
| Classes. | ||
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Book. | |
| It's not looking good, is it? | ||
| Archery. | ||
| Witchcraft. | ||
| Pagan. | ||
| Sports and the Witch. | ||
| Spellwork. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Not looking good. | ||
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It's not looking good. | |
| The witchcraft of archers according to the famous... | ||
| I thought I read something like that. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Okay, can we edit this part out? | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Just kidding. | |
| The sorcery of archery. | ||
| Yeah, it's a beautiful discipline. | ||
| I mean, even if someone never chooses... | ||
| And honestly, if you really want to get into hunting, just straight up hunting, you probably should start with a rifle anyway. | ||
| It's a far easier way to do it. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| Or wear earplugs if you do do it. | ||
| You don't want to blow your ears out. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Another problem that I'm running into is a lot of people who have been hunting for a good portion of their life have bad hearing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| My ears ring all the time from when I rifle hunted. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| When I was just a kid because I used to go shoot my.300 Winchester Magnum up at the rock pit. | ||
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Boom! | |
| I mean, this thing was so loud and I used to love shooting. | ||
| And I was like, oh, you're a pussy if you were... | ||
| I mean, nobody wore hearing protection. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It was just like nobody wore bike helmets either. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Right. | |
| So it was the same type of thing, but now my ears just ring. | ||
| All the time? | ||
| Yeah, all the time. | ||
| That shows your taste in music. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Why? | ||
| That's why I listen to some of your Instagram stories, listen to the music you're listening to. | ||
| I'm like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| No, that's good music. | ||
| Oh, his ears are ringing. | ||
| When your ears are ringing, it sounds better. | ||
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Like... | |
| What, the country or the rap or what? | ||
| Some of the rap you listen to. | ||
| No, the rap is good. | ||
| Me and Adam, we drove to Sydney for two hours, and I think we listened to... | ||
| Kendrick Lamar, his new song, like, probably 20 times. | ||
| Wow, in a row? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Did you guys, like, sing the words along? | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Did you sing along with the N-word? | ||
| Or do you guys get silent during that part? | ||
| Just kind of... | ||
| That's a funny thing, man, with white people. | ||
| Like, what are we supposed to do? | ||
| What are we supposed to do when it gets to that part of the song? | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's called Be Humble. | ||
| Oh, Be Humble. | ||
| That's a song. | ||
| No, that's a song. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Be Humble. | ||
| And then Be Humble, too, when the N-word comes up. | ||
| Just doesn't realize. | ||
| It's actually Be Humble, Bitch, Be Humble. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a good one. | ||
| That's a mixed message. | ||
| Do you know that one, Jamie? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I was gonna ask you how they liked that new album down in Australia. | ||
| The Kendrick Lamar? | ||
| Yeah, the Kendrick, yeah. | ||
| Did he know about it until you brought it up to him? | ||
| Well, no, he made fun of me always putting my music on the Instastory. | ||
| That you used rap a lot? | ||
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No. | |
| You like a lot of rap, though. | ||
| Yeah, and country. | ||
| That's kind of what I listen to. | ||
| But then he had this song, and I'm like, okay, hey, where the hell do you think you learned this song from? | ||
| From me. | ||
| And what did he say? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I made something out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He probably lied. | ||
| Are there any Australian rappers? | ||
| I think there are. | ||
| Not that anybody knows, but I remember we had the radio on down there, and there was some rap on there that I had no idea what it was, so it has to be from there. | ||
| Well, there's so many different rappers now, though. | ||
| There's no way you could know all the stuff. | ||
| It's like we've reached a weird saturation point with music where there is no God. | ||
| I mean, every year they're coming out with new music. | ||
| Yeah, I know, but you get used to certain sounds or certain styles, and this was something I've listened to a lot. | ||
| I was in Brazil. | ||
| You were in Brazil with me. | ||
| But one time when I was in Brazil, I was listening to some rap music, some Brazilian rap. | ||
| I was like, this is badass. | ||
| I hope what they're saying isn't stupid, because I don't understand Portuguese, but it sounds badass. | ||
| I think it would be great to work out to. | ||
| It's not as distracting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like if their lyrics are corny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I think there is Australian rap. | ||
| But it's not Kendrick Lamar. | ||
| Be humble. | ||
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Iggy Azalea is the, right now, most famous one. | |
| But Iggy Azalea, she's from there? | ||
| She's from Australia? | ||
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Oh. | |
| She's white. | ||
| White privilege. | ||
| Don't they have any black people over there? | ||
| They do, right? | ||
| But expats. | ||
| American expats sneak over there. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's one of the few places I would live outside of America. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, if the shit hit the fan. | ||
| That's nice there. | ||
| Canada and Australia. | ||
| Those are my spots. | ||
| Yeah, it's cool. | ||
| I mean, Sydney's traffic is ridiculous, though. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| They fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. | ||
| They're all confused. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| They're all around the left, like, what are you doing over here? | ||
| Go over there. | ||
| Go over there. | ||
| Let's switch this around. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| That's probably why it's all messed up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, look, the roads are in place. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| You've got roads in the right spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drive on the other side. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Simple fix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Simple fix. | ||
| How is Sydney so traffic filled? | ||
| I mean, how many people live in Sydney? | ||
| Five million. | ||
| Whoa, that's crazy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Five million. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Okay, think of that, because there's 30 million people in all of Australia, right? | ||
| Or is it less? | ||
| I think it's a little less. | ||
| Probably less. | ||
| Okay, let's say it's 20 million. | ||
| So that would be like if there was 75 million in Los Angeles. | ||
| Yeah, that percentage of the population. | ||
| More than that. | ||
| It'd be more. | ||
| It'd be like 80 million. | ||
| Like 80 million people just in Los Angeles. | ||
| There's only like a few big cities. | ||
| I mean, like Melbourne, or I probably said it wrong. | ||
| 23.78 million in all of Australia. | ||
| And five are in Sydney. | ||
| Jesus Christ, that's crazy. | ||
| 25% of the entire population. | ||
| It's a beautiful city, though. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Sydney's really awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's great. | ||
| It's just, we were going to go to the bow shop And I said, you know, I go to the boat shops in Sydney, right? | ||
| He's like, yeah. | ||
| I said, how long is it going to take to get there? | ||
| So we did it on the MapQuest thing or whatever. | ||
| An hour. | ||
| I said, this is like L.A. This sucks. | ||
| An hour. | ||
| It's in the same city. | ||
| I didn't expect that. | ||
| Well, up there in Eugene, everything is fine. | ||
| You don't have to worry about shit up there. | ||
| You got two lane roads. | ||
| There's no cars. | ||
| If you don't make it through one traffic light cycle, you're like... | ||
| What the hell is going on? | ||
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I gotta wait? | |
| This is bullshit! | ||
| Well, you get used to a place like that, man. | ||
| You know, and life is nice and calm and it feels different. | ||
| Like, life feels different in a small town. | ||
| It's like, there's a... | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| This is some woo-woo spiritual bullshit that I have no science behind whatsoever. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I feel like people give off energy. | ||
| And I feel like cities, whether or not something's happening or not, the amount of humans in there, there's a certain amount of energy that you feel. | ||
| And when you're in a smaller town, you're calmer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| I feel like there's less... | ||
| And I don't think it's just the activity, just cars. | ||
| I think it's the actual amount of humans in an area. | ||
| Like, there's some sort of a psychic energy that they give off. | ||
| You're not buying it. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Jamie's not buying it either. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| The Witchery of Archery. | ||
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Ha ha! | |
| Maurice Thompson. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| I have that book. | ||
| 1878. Wow. | ||
| See? | ||
| What is witchery? | ||
| Is that a real word? | ||
| I told you. | ||
| I was right. | ||
| You were right. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I'm redeemed. | ||
| Five out of five stars in Barnes& Noble. | ||
| It's a good book. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So it's in Barnes& Noble? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Can I get it on a Kindle? | ||
| Find out if I can get it on a Kindle. | ||
| Mm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Witchery varchery. | ||
| Speaking of a whole different... | ||
| I don't know what you just said, but I'll be in my cubicle tomorrow. | ||
| No, you won't. | ||
| You got to quit that job, dude. | ||
| Today? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Should I just call right now? | ||
| Let me call for you. | ||
| Oh, yeah, you're my manager. | ||
| Yeah, I'm your manager. | ||
| Kindle, nice. | ||
| $5.99. | ||
| I'm getting it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you, young Jamie. | ||
| The witchery of archery. | ||
| And if my fucking Kindle, and I try to enter it in, it's like, nope, nothing exists. | ||
| I'm like, listen, bitch. | ||
| I've already gone through this. | ||
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All right. | |
| Yeah, it's so crazy that you keep a full-time job. | ||
| It's just, I don't understand how you do it. | ||
| And that's also what a lot of people that get involved in hunting, the amount of time that it takes. | ||
| Like, people don't have the time. | ||
| Like, I was listening to Jason Carter on some podcast. | ||
| He was talking about pursuing one individual buck for like two weeks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, who the fuck has two weeks to go after one animal? | ||
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Yeah, that's tough. | |
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| Who's got that kind of time? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Only like a real crazy pro type character. | ||
| It takes time. | ||
| Even just the dedication to regular practice takes time for archery. | ||
| That's the next level. | ||
| There's no... | ||
| I mean, archery is... | ||
| It really is, in terms of hunting, it really is the ultimate pursuit. | ||
| The ultimate in difficulty. | ||
| But I stop at the compound thing. | ||
| People are like, you've got to try traditional archery. | ||
| Compound archery is for pussies. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Enough is enough. | ||
| How about kill it with a rock? | ||
| How about you kill it with a rock like a cave person did? | ||
| Why are you wearing shoes, pussy? | ||
| Cave people didn't wear shoes. | ||
| I was wondering... | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I was wondering how anybody would kill with a recurve where I was hunting because I said my 245 feet per second bow was slow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That'd be super fast for a traditional bow. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, I could imagine what those deer... | ||
| They'd just, I don't know. | ||
| It'd be very tough. | ||
| Very tough. | ||
| Out of that tree, you probably could. | ||
| Oh, well, they wouldn't know you were there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it sounds like the area you were in, they were very unnaturally hyped up. | ||
| Like, they were unnaturally wired because they've been hunted by so many people. | ||
| I think they're just normally wired, but when people kill them is when they're rutting. | ||
| You know, and so they're distracted because it's a breeding season. | ||
| So this is post-rut. | ||
| Those bucks are not even with does at all, and they're, you know, just tuned in. | ||
| But during the rut, it would be easier. | ||
| It would just be like hunting elk during the rut as opposed to not. | ||
| Or hunting a dude at a club with a boner. | ||
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Right? | |
| People get distracted. | ||
| I've never hunted a dude with a boner. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| I'm glad to hear that. | ||
| I was wondering. | ||
| I have questions. | ||
| Sometimes I beat around the bush to get to the answer. | ||
| Oh, I got what you're doing right there. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny how these different animals have, like, different seasons that they come into. | ||
| Like, the idea that only one time a year they breed. | ||
| Like, they're a mammal. | ||
| It's not like a dog. | ||
| Like, dogs want to fuck all the time. | ||
| But, like, deer, one time a year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything starts popping. | ||
| Nature says, listen, this is how it works. | ||
| You want to have a baby in the spring. | ||
| It's a way to do this. | ||
| You got to do it in the fall. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| In the fall, you got to get cracking. | ||
| And then she's got to take some time to cook up that baby and drop that baby in the spring. | ||
| Life's good. | ||
| But it's bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's actually some bucks that were, they call it croaking, which is grunting. | ||
| They weren't really the full rut, but some does that didn't get bred the first season, if they don't get bred, they come back into heat. | ||
| So we call them second cycle does. | ||
| They were coming in, so the bucks, I mean, they'll do it whenever. | ||
| They just got to wait for the female. | ||
| So the bucks were actually still sort of rutting a little bit. | ||
| We heard some croaking. | ||
| So it just wasn't full on. | ||
| No, there's just a few does that hadn't been bred. | ||
| Well, that's one of the coolest things about elk hunting. | ||
| There's nothing like the rut. | ||
| When you hear elk screaming, like if the people have never experienced that before, even if you have no desire to hunt, please go to a place where elk live during the rut just to hear it. | ||
| Because it is so wild. | ||
| They're so loud. | ||
| And the sound sounds like something from the Lord of the Rings. | ||
| It doesn't even seem real. | ||
| And you're going to be in Utah this year. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Remember that? | ||
| We're going to Utah. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we're definitely going to film some stuff there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're definitely going to film some stuff. | ||
| We'll do some Instagram stories. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll definitely get some footage. | ||
| And we're definitely... | ||
| I mean, we got some footage from last year when you and I were in Tahone Ranch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I put up on Instagram some elk screaming. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| We were pretty far away. | ||
| Yeah, we were. | ||
| We were a couple hundred yards away, and it's wide open. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas Utah is a little bit more wooded, and we'll try to get a little bit closer. | ||
| Yeah, those bowls will be coming close. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| Oh, I can't wait either. | ||
| I can't wait just to see you. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, thanks for introducing me to this, man. | ||
| It's changed my life. | ||
| It really has. | ||
| It's been great to share with you. | ||
| And it's been great to have you on to share it with other people. | ||
| And just share not just that, but your entire disciplined approach to this whole lifestyle that you live. | ||
| I think it's very inspiring to people. | ||
| I think it's very important. | ||
| And you're a shining beacon out there, Cameron Haynes. | ||
| So keep hammering, as it were. | ||
| And your podcast, keep hammering. | ||
| We've got a new episode that you just gave to Jamie, so it'll be up today. | ||
| Jamie's going to post it today. | ||
| Young Jamie's on the ball. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back at 1.30 p.m. | ||
| with Jordan Peterson, and I'm fixing to go check out the new studio. | ||
| We're signing the lease today, folks. | ||
| It's popping. | ||
| We're very excited. | ||
| I'm going to show cam, too. | ||
| All right, we'll be back soon, and so, yeah, that's it. |
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