TJ Kirk and Joe Rogan mock religious tropes—Kirk jokingly ties Christian conversion to sexualized claims, while Rogan compares faith to showbiz fraud like Peter Popoff’s earpiece scams. They critique law enforcement’s cannabis obsession versus violent crimes, slam media misrepresentation (e.g., "Drunken Peasants" smear), and debate drone strikes’ 90% civilian casualties. Kirk’s LA vs. Seattle rant highlights housing costs and cultural tensions, ending with Rogan praising Portland’s vibe while Kirk defends his explicit, unfiltered style as a deliberate choice to expose hypocrisy. [Automatically generated summary]
I did this, there's a show that my friend Jeremiah Watkins has, and it's like a make-em-up show.
He calls it stand-up on the spot, where the audience will yell out, you know, fried broccoli, like whatever, and you just have to rant on broccoli, like what your thoughts are, try to get some comedy out of it.
And occasionally, maybe one out of ten subjects, it will actually yield a real bit that'll become a bit in your act.
It's really kind of amazing when you put on the pressure like that.
So I said, what a good time to test the deep end of the pool and find out what these speed weed edibles are all about.
And I remember it was me watching him on your show.
That led us to ask about that because I saw him on your show and he was like God at the time because I remember at the time he was on our show I told Paul, one of my co-hosts, like, Paul, this guy ain't no lightweight and he's got a huge army of sycophants right now.
If you get in a debate with him, if you lose, you're a total bitch.
If you tie, you lose.
If you win by a little, you lose.
The only way you can actually beat him with his army of sycophants at this time is if you just demolish him.
Well, I think it sort of gives you a better understanding of how this guy came to be who he is today and why he so relishes this role of being the contrarian and being this sort of very difficult-to-pigeonhole gay man who's very conservative but yet believes in man-boy love.
If you go back and you read old articles that he wrote for publications that he worked for in the past, there was a lot of stuff like, we're going to take on bullying on Twitter, and we need to make a safe space for people online.
It's a lot of trolling and it's a lot of very calculated stuff designed to sort of rile people up and get people active and get people to talk about them.
I mean, that's the reason why he does this tour on colleges.
I mean, why not do it in the lion's den if you want to get the roars?
I mean, he's doing it like where he feels like this problem is the greatest.
I almost made a video about this article on the Huffington Post, actually, that was basically like, violence is as valid a reaction to Trump as anything.
It's like, wow, you're literally just advocating for violence, and you think you're so enlightened.
I remember, uh, I heard rednecks, I was living in Louisiana at the time he was elected, and I heard rednecks say shit like, man, I can't wait for someone to assassinate this piece of shit.
They were looking forward to it.
Not only did they think it was inevitable he'd be assassinated, but it was like, yeah, that's going to be a good thing.
That's going to be a good day for America when Obama's finally killed.
It's a stopgap, you know, like, because the people in power have always been afraid of the actual will of the people, so anything they can do, they want to safeguard, like, well, if the people choose poorly, you know, we want to be able to stop that from happening.
I mean, it's hard to know because, you know, you really almost don't know what someone really thinks until you sit down with them one by one or, you know, one on one and have a conversation.
I was out there in the parking lot for about seven hours because I didn't have a cell phone.
I didn't have a ride.
It wasn't seven hours, more like four or five.
But I was just wandering around in a parking lot.
I couldn't even stay in the IHOP parking lot because I didn't want anyone from there to come in, but I just wandered around the parking lot of this shopping center for four hours waiting for my girlfriend to show up.
When she finally did, I was just like, yeah, I quit.
Oh yeah, you know, like, a lot of people, when I guess they figured out I was coming on here again, I read a thread on the Drunken Peasants subreddit, where people were talking about, yeah, you know, he's gonna be on Joe Rogan again, and people were like, yeah, I liked last time, but I hope he's not so nervous this time.
Like, last time I did your show, I came in here and I talked to you, and then I left, and I was like, I have no idea what the content of the conversation I just had was.
So, when I was born, Thomas James Kirk III, because he knew he was changing his name to Thomas James Kirk Jr., but he didn't actually officially change it until after I was born...
So, even though I'm the third, I'm actually the first.
You and I probably both know that the more people you involve in any sort of endeavor or project, the more difficult it becomes because you're managing all these different interests.
So when you're president or governor or something like that, you have so many people that you're supposed to be representing...
And they all have different ideas, and there's other legislators who have their agendas and shit, so it's probably pretty difficult to get much of anything done.
I mean, it's just this is almost a similar reaction.
I don't mean it's less it's more rational or less rational What I mean is almost like the energy of the reaction like the energy of the birthers and the guys who were convinced that he was some sort of undercover Muslim and then he was gonna get into the White House and try to take America down from the inside like that Feeling that the amount of energy that way is mirrored now on the left Maybe even oh,
yeah, maybe even past I would say probably I might not be right because I might not be remembering it perfectly, but I feel like the energy on the left of people getting mad at Trump is more powerful or there's more to it than the energy that I saw from people on the right that wanted Obama out of office.
And a lot of the people now that are pissed are really young, so they're more likely to take to the streets and, you know, smash things and hold up signs and, you know, act wild and shit.
But I think there was one towards the end where they had planned on having him walk down some long stretch, and they had to abandon it and get him into a car.
And if a president gets past one cycle removed from his...
his tenure then people forgive him they forget and they change their opinion yeah like Reagan like man when I was a kid Reagan was a pariah like people were so upset about Reagan they were so upset and there was the Contra versus Nicaragua trial that was on television with Oliver North yeah and we were finding out on TV Whether or not the government had sold arms and
lied about it, and then the whole Reagan thing, whether or not Reagan sold arms to Iran.
The great Jimmy Tingle, hilarious stand-up comedian in Boston, has this bit about it.
That was when Reagan started claiming Alzheimer's, or when he claimed memory issues.
Which turned out to be true.
I mean, he really did have memory issues, and he probably did at the time.
But they asked him, did you sell arms to Iraq?
He said, I don't know.
And Jimmy Tingle's like, Mr. President, if you ever sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down.
But, you know, like, it's just, I mean, like, I don't want to get into, like, you already had Alex Jones on the show, so I can't really get into that level of territory, but, I mean, I do agree that these parties are constantly just working together behind the scenes, and that 90% of the issues they agree on, They just make a big spectacle of the little things they actually disagree on to distract us with a show.
They're supposed to offer you the aux cord when you get in the car so you can control the music, which is double annoying for the driver, I would imagine, but they're supposed to give you control.
But then this, like, taste that you vary yourself.
Like, you ever catch yourself in some weird mix?
Like, you hit iPod Shuffle or something like that, and you catch some weird mix of songs that you like, and you're like, wow, they just do not go together.
Like, these two are just really weird back-to-back.
Dude, and you see so much crazy shit at Waffle Houses, too.
I was at a Waffle House, and the service was terrible.
I was in there for like an hour and a half, but goddamn, the show was amazing, because the cook and the one waitress hated each other and were fighting the entire time.
And it got to the point where she runs out, she's in the parking lot crying, and he's like, giving me free food.
I went to this Montana diner, this really small diner outside of Billings, Montana with a few of my friends.
We pulled into this diner and we had just got done hunting for five days in the mountains.
We were dirty and we were tired.
We had just been camping this whole time.
We just got off of a boat.
And this guy had a like a big piece of cardboard like four by four like four feet by four feet cardboard with photos of all these different Marines that he had propped up on like an easel board and Had all the different soldiers that had died under like Obama's watch in this one particular mission And he kept pointing out like these are these are 11 of our boys That died because of this president so-called president that we he's not my president not
my president Yeah, it got to that weird shit and he was coming over to the table and talking to us while like while we're there eating I'll never forget that guy It was just so bizarre.
Like, you had to go, yep, it's terrible.
Yep, it's terrible.
Can we eat and leave?
Like, we were stuck.
While this guy, like, hovered over us with his lecture, his PowerPoint presentation.
I mean, he had, like, photos of these guys up on this thing, and he wanted to talk to everybody about it.
And then he'd come back, and he'd be totally pleasant, like, so you guys are on the da-da-da.
And then he'd leave, and he'd come back again, and he'd be crazy again.
Like, she held up her glass, because he's, like, refilling, and her glass is kind of far away, so she, like, you know, holds it out, and he's like, put that back on the table!
Put that back on the table!
It's like, what?
You're a fucking psycho.
That whole city, though, was high-strung as shit.
Because I remember I went to a pot shop there...
And the guy at the pot shop, he was like...
First of all, I had to go to a waiting room, which is just weird, and take a number.
And then I was called into another room where I thought I was going to be able to buy weed, but instead it was just another waiting room.
And then I finally get to the fucking little broom closet where they keep their meager supply of fucking weed.
And there's this guy behind the counter, and he knows shit.
Was like, what's up?
I'm like, please, what?
And then, we had four people with us.
He proceeds to do it to everybody.
So, four times in a row, what's up?
I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Like, I smoke weed to, like, chill out and relax and shit, but you're just like...
And he's bitching about how hard his job is there, too.
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He's like, man, I can't wait till we get off work so we can get really high.
They had schizophrenia exams, where they looked at all the population, and they said, you know, marijuana contributes to schizophrenia, and they were like, well, actually, no.
If you look at the number, it's always 1%.
And if those 1% are smoking pot or not smoking pot, it's still...
The schizophrenia numbers have always been around 1%.
But what pisses me off, though, more than even the personal angle of, like, I'm a pot smoker and this affects me personally.
I mean, that does get my goat a little bit, but what really pisses me off is that...
Trump is Mr. Jobs.
This industry, this $7 billion recreational marijuana industry is employing like 100-150 people part-time and full-time that are along some rung of the ladder of like, oh, well, either they're working for the growers or they're doing the packaging or they're helping with the shipping.
So this is like a huge job creator.
It's a huge moneymaker.
This is what Trump ran on.
Trump's like, I'm the jobs president.
I'm gonna bring jobs back.
If they go after this industry, that's the exact opposite of bringing jobs back.
And, you know, I'm always surprised by just how tepid the response is.
People are like, eh.
Yeah, whatever, you know, prisoners.
Who gives a shit?
It's like, yeah, but what about the fact that plenty of people don't belong to be there?
What about the fact that these people who run these prison industries sponsor legislation to put more people in jail in a country that already has the disproportionately highest prison population of any country on the planet while claiming to be the fucking land of the free?
A lot of these people who are doing these crazy drugs, they're only doing it because better drugs aren't available, they can't find them, they're too expensive.
Like, if you just legalize and regulate all these markets, which we know for a fact are going to exist no matter what, because people are just gonna do fucking drugs, whether it's legal or it's not legal.
I know way too many people that have taken them, and then they just, the whole thing got real slippery, and they just started fucking up at work, and they were on them all the time, and they got real foggy.
I just, I think that stuff, I bet in certain circumstances, under severe pain, certain opiates, especially like natural opiates, probably feel wonderful.
If you have like a severe back pain, you can't rest, and you take something like that.
The real problem is those fucking pills get in people's DNA, man.
And they actually are, like, you know, the gateway drug thing is kind of mocked because it's attributed to weed, but those pills usually are a gateway to, you know, begin injecting.
If they don't inject, I mean, they'll inject if it works just as good, and that's the only way they can get it.
And that's what happened with a lot of people in Massachusetts.
One of those episodes of Anthony Bourdain's show, he was out like near, I forget what area of Massachusetts, but it was all about how many people had been devastated by heroin addiction and heroin overdoses, and a lot of it came out of the OxyContin addictions.
They got the pills really easily, and then when it became less, when they started clamping down the regulations and made it harder for people to get prescriptions, then people turned to heroin because they were addicted to opiates.
It was just a part of who they were at that point, you And, you know, the whole country right now, I mean, like, because there's a big opiate crisis, you know, they're trying to...
Doctors are not writing as many of these opiate prescriptions, and they're trying to make it harder to get, so a lot more people are turning to heroin.
Well, they don't use the best stuff to get people off drugs anyway.
Supposedly the most effective, and this is not from my personal experience, but the most effective drug to get people off drugs is that Ibogaine stuff.
Ibogaine, which is from the iboga tree, and apparently it has a massive impact on people that are addicted to heroin and pills and alcoholics and things along those lines.
Apparently that stuff just fucking knocks it right out of your system.
Yeah, and like really excellent rate of people staying off of it.
An excellent percentage of people stay off of it permanently, as opposed to a lot of the other methods.
It's hard for people to change their ways, you know?
The people get into these little patterns and they get into these habits, and if one of those habits also is physically addicting as well, like heroin is, or like pills are, it's just really hard for people to kick that shit.
And then it puts a lot of stress on them to have to regulate it and me fucking bothering them, and I'll fucking deviously just, like, sneak out, go to the gas station, have, like, another pack, so I'm smoking those four, but I'm also secretly smoking, like, another four or five off somewhere else.
But it does put you into a certain mindset if you're acknowledging that you're doing something absolutely ridiculous that's detrimental to your health.
So in your analysis of a subject, like when you're doing these YouTube videos, you're almost like an outsider looking in, and you feel like there's a good strategy to that, maybe?
I guess I try to use it as a thing to bolster objectivity.
Like, I don't want to be just saying what the crowd wants to hear.
I don't want to be...
I think like this is gonna be the most entertaining or whatever like I want it to be like here's what I really fucking think about this Right, right And I think you have to have like some kind of a wall of detachment because you know People aren't always gonna react well to it and shit too Yeah, that's a really good point.
I mean, like, look, people are very worried about, especially lately, about, like, advertising and shit influencing what people do and say.
Yeah.
People don't really realize that it's really just as much of a danger to become beholden to the audience or to the mob and to go along with, here's what we really want to hear from you.
Yeah, well, look, there are a lot of people out there in this world, and if you want to get opinions from every single one of them and consider them individually without meeting any of those people, to me, that's shitty data.
Okay, that's not good data.
If I know you, I've talked to you, if you tell me something, and you're a smart guy, I'll consider.
I'll be like, okay, well I know TJ, and TJ, if he's saying that, he wouldn't be saying it if he didn't believe it, so I have to think about what he's saying, and I'll have to go through my head and find out whether or not I agree with him.
I'd have to, you know, objectively look at it.
You could be talking to a million insane people.
You really, there's no way you could individually react to each one of them.
But you can get a sense of whether or not people are upset at you or not.
You can get a sense of whether or not Logical people make sense like that makes sense feel like you've crossed a line look I've noticed this really weird shift in the zeitgeist In the last like year or so And it's kind of started with this whole fake news thing You know the left was saying Trump got in because of fake news and then Trump saying oh the all the attacks against me are fake news and And I've seen on YouTube,
like, we used to do this kayfabe stuff on our show.
Kayfabe is like wrestling talk for, like, you know, fake.
The pageantry of it, like, we're just pretending drama and shit.
We used to do that all the time on my show, The Drunken Peasants Podcast.
Suddenly people turned on it.
They're like, we don't want this anymore.
And it's, you know, and I got shit because I did this sponsored ad for this app called Candid.
And people are like, you know, everything you say is bullshit because you did this sponsored spot for Candid and you're fucking a shill.
So we dismiss you.
And it's because everyone's on this big fucking authenticity kick.
But they're not really actually skeptical, though.
They just want a demagogue to spew, like, here's what you already think is true.
I am here to validate all of your feelings and all of your opinions.
And a lot of these people seem to want me to be that.
Yeah, they're going to want you to form to whatever their opinion of you is, and if you deviate from that, there's going to be a certain amount of people that are going to be upset.
But it's up to you to figure out like what...
The worst thing, I think, for any performer or artist is to get boxed into like kind of a fake thing, like maybe a character that you do or something along those lines, and then you can't get out of it.
Yeah, well, like Bobcat Goldthwait had the hardest time, because he had that, you know, that character that he would do, screaming and yelling Bobcat character.
And then he wanted to just eventually be Bob Goldthwait.
I don't believe in a lot of this stuff, but I'm really fascinated by things like Bigfoot and aliens and the Loch Ness Monster and the Flat Earth and the Hollow Earth and all this stuff.
Don't believe in any of it.
In fact, I think most of it's like totally fucking ridiculous, but I find it really fascinating.
Because I kind of view it as almost like modern mythology.
You know, you kind of see the genesis of how people talk, you know, people used to talk about, like, succubuses coming in in the night and, you know, stealing their essence and shit and seducing them.
I forget if it's called hypnopopic hallucinations or hypnagogic hallucinations.
But I could tell you, right, you know, like...
I'll be laying in bed, or I would be at the time, and I would kind of wake up, but I wouldn't be able to move my body.
And aside from that, you feel the overwhelming sense of like, there's another presence here.
And it's ominous.
And you fucking, uh, if you have the hypnagogic hallucinations or the hypnopopic hallucinations, one is when you hallucinate as you're going into sleep, one is when you hallucinate as you're coming out.
I have the one where you hallucinate as you're coming out of sleep.
So, I would wake up, and, uh, probably the first time it happened, I was 11, and I saw this robed figure, like, walk across my bedroom.
You to recall like an image from a really fucking cool movie like that and have it be like, what weird combinations of things would cause, you know like, something causes a hallucination to take a certain form.
I was watching that movie at my uncle's house, and my mom came in the room, and she's really easily frightened and stuff, and she just thought it was hilarious.
I mean, it's funny by today's standards, but if you go watch it in the context, watch horror movies that came around around the same time and before it, and it's like, okay, you can kind of see why this blew people's minds at the time.
They didn't, like, have much care for her well-being or anything, either.
Because, like, you know that scene where she's spasming and flopping up and down, they were doing that with wires, and that fucked her back up for life.
Like, you imagine, like, not only do you not get to choose whether or not you want to be famous, want to be an actor, because you're a fucking baby, you can't even talk yet, you're already on TV, but the whole show's about you, so you can't quit.
Yeah, and you know, I was wondering, like, when I'm watching movies, like, you see babies, like, crying and stuff, and, you know, like, how'd they make that baby cry?
Like, that's why when people, like, make fun of that American Sniper movie for using that little shitty plastic baby that was obviously fake, I'm like, whatever.
It's better than fucking having some real kid and getting it to cry and stuff and whatever.
A lot of people loved the movie, and to them it was really good.
To me, it was so much, and this is probably my personal bias of being out here.
And being in Hollywood and knowing how writers work and knowing how they structure these things and what kind of effect the studio wants to have on the audience for a big mainstream movie.
You could feel the heavy hand of Hollywood all over it.
You could feel the way they were...
The wording the things that he said and just the whole thing was like so affected It's like I'm not getting a good sense of what this guy's real life was propaganda Yeah, and then you know and then you find out about the Jesse Ventura thing where Jesse Ventura sued him because he made up some story and him up and Apparently there was a few other stories that weren't true as well that were in that book That fucked Jesse Ventura's career up a little bit still does Still does.
It's just I think also you're dealing with the pressures of war being so alien to most people that when you and I who have not been to war sit around talking and debating about what it's like To be like the most decorated sniper ever or a guy who experiences that much action and sees that much death and to really try to Rationalize what goes in and out of their mind and like what their grasp on reality is like and then there's also the Opportunity that this guy has
if you're leaving the military and writing a book Why not just make a bunch of crazy shit up and make it even better to sell more fucking books?
You know, I mean It's very possible that someone would take that attitude.
Like, look, I'm not going to tell you most of the truth anyway, because it's none of your business, and some of it might be classified, and some of it might be...
Illegal for me to talk about, but maybe I make up a bunch of crazy shit.
Yeah, you know, and look, he was probably always doing that to some extent, you know, because, you know, you don't become the top American sniper unless you already have a preconceived notion of yourself as like, I'm this badass, and I'm this great warrior, and anything you can say to add to that, you're gonna say.
Well, I mean, but you look at his character and the sort of stories that he's made up and shit, and it's obvious that while he did have actual skills, he was also fond of embellishing the skills he did have to make himself even more legendary.
And why is the question, you know, because there are people that think that the horrors of war, like we talked about, bend the mind and bend perception and bend the way you look at reality in some people more severe ways than other people.
The request or the task that we give young people where they go off to war at fucking 18 years of age, and we ship them off, get them to shoot people, and then come back and integrate.
And try to be a normal part of society and then with almost no education, almost no assistance, no help, no carrying them along, no, you know...
I mean, you should be looking at them and talking to them very carefully.
You know, like, 18 is around the time when I was just willing to dump, like, pancakes on some dude's lap because he fucking, you know, said a cross thing to me.
To take people at that age and mindset who haven't even really...
I mean, I guess they've kind of reached the age of reason and stuff in the eyes of society, but, you know, they're not like fully formed adult minds yet.
It's like, hey, you're pretty much still a kid in a lot of ways.
Go overseas and kill some other people's fucking kids.
You know, when you're asking someone to do something before they're a certain age, like, you have a certain amount of authority over a 17-year-old or an 18-year-old when you give them a gun and tell them that they're supposed to do it.
They believe they're supposed to do it because you're older and you tell them that they're supposed to do it.
It's the reason why 40-year-old guys don't sign up for the Army.
Because when a guy's 40, might have a family of his own, might have a life of his own, he's like, wait, wait, wait, why the fuck are we going over there?
What have these guys done to us?
Hold on, hold on.
When are we charging?
At dawn?
Okay, what's the plan?
Like, you're going to ask questions.
They're not going to just trust you at face value.
I took a little aptitude test, and they're like, you could be military intelligence.
I'm like, eh.
But I heard that a lot of times they sucker you in with that, like, you're going to be military intelligence, but then if you don't cut it, they're like, well, you didn't cut it.
I've heard that recruiters will bullshit you and, you know, tell you they're gonna get you some cool job inside the military, and then once you get in there, they give you a door to fuck the job they were thinking about giving you in the first place.
So that's probably why they use 18-year-olds to begin with, but...
The problem is, you know, even if we're going to accept the reality that that's how it has to be, there has to be more oversight about where are we going to send these people, what reasons have to be in place for us to send these people.
And, you know, we're still in Iraq, we're still in Afghanistan.
Obama, during his presidency, bombed seven countries with drone strikes.
By the way, I don't know if you've ever seen the report that like 90% of drone strikes didn't kill their intended targets.
It's just, but we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but listen, this way we don't have to send soldiers, and we just fly it in, and we just shoot the missiles, and we get the fuck out of there.
They put that video out and you get to see, like, how they're reacting to gunning these people down the street and they find out it's the wrong people.
If they were on the ground, they wouldn't treat it that way.
If they were on the ground and we saw people on the ground, they were walking down the street and they saw the photographer with the camera, they probably wouldn't treat it.
There's no way they would just open fire and gun everybody down as soon as they saw the people.
So you just gun everybody down that you run into on your way to the bad guys?
Yeah, because if you were on the ground, and the same thing happened, wouldn't you be judged differently?
Like, if you were on the ground, and you were moving down the street, and you saw a bunch of people in front of you, and one guy had a camera, and you just gunned them all down.
The women, the kids, everybody in front of them.
And you're like, well, you know, hey, they shouldn't have been out here with their kids, and I didn't think that was a camera.
Well, that's essentially exactly what the guy said from the helicopter, right?
Well, they're even worse than the NSA. How do you know?
Well, I guess I can't say with certainty they're worse, but the NSA's never been involved, as far as I know, in toppling the democratically elected leaders of other countries and installing puppets that are good for American business interests.
Yeah, the idea of them all being able to listen to anybody's telephone calls, regardless of whether or not you're a terrorist, regardless of whether or not you're a felon, regardless of whether or not you're the nicest person of all time.
The only thing that's wrong with it is the fact that it's been buttoned down into our brain...
Deep, deep in our memory, through propaganda, that it's bad for you.
That's it.
If you looked at the actual effects it has on you, like we were talking about schizophrenics and blaming marijuana on schizophrenia, but it still seems across the board to be 1%.
It's the same thing with dummies and lazy people.
When dummies and lazy people find out about pot, it ruins the idea of it for other people.
They go, oh, well, look, it's associated with this loudmouth dummy.
This loudmouth fucking lazy person never gets anything done.
He's always broke.
He's always asking for money.
That's a pothead.
Potheads don't get shit done.
Don't be a pothead.
And then you get that in your head and you just run with it.
Canada's justice system is crumbling as cannabis raids continue.
So, they've been busting all these fucking pot places.
I thought you guys had your social justice warrior president and everybody was going to get to pick their own gender pronouns and now you're raiding pot places.
Okay, look at this.
6,500 cases in provincial court could be soon dropped due to delays, including 38 for homicide or attempted murder.
One terrible case last year, a man named Kenneth Williamson was convicted of raping a minor over 100 times, but because of lengthy delays in taking his case to trial, his conviction was overturned.
No, this is just saying that their system is in such crisis, and this marijuana case where they're arresting all these people for marijuana, it's insane because their justice system is already in the crisis.
So it says considering the justice system crisis, cannabis should obviously be the lowest priority for police and the courts, but it's not.
Not only are police launching more raids against dispensaries than ever before, but ridiculous charges for small-scale cannabis crimes are continuing from coast to coast.
If I had a guess, I would say it's some sort of compartmentalism, in that the drug people, they don't go after the other crimes, and then there's a legal system that's backed up.
But to put more people into the legal system, just because you have to somehow or another Justify the position that you're in.
A cop, a DEA cop, whatever they're called up there.
And by the way, what you're doing right now seems like a crime.
You're locking people up in a cage for a plant that everybody on the planet knows is not bad for you.
So if you just decide that because of some fucking bullshit thing that's written on paper, that you should be able to go against all the science that's available today, all the common sense and the will of the people, and you should be able to go into people's houses, go into people's businesses, arrest them, take all their money, take all their pot...
That's a crime.
That sounds like a crime.
It sounds like you're using your position and you're using it to just mark one up on the scoreboard.
It's just, I can't believe that in this day and age, that shit is still going on.
It just seems like...
And Canada, I thought, with this Trudeau guy, was gonna be more progressive than ever.
Which...
Canadians are complaining about it like crazy, and I've had Jordan Peterson on the podcast, and he hates what's going on now with this push towards being as open-minded as possible, with all these accepting of the gender pronouns, and that you're going to have to start putting people...
You're going to have to start processing cases through the Human Rights Council, because if you don't use a person's proper gender pronoun, it could literally be considered a crime.
I think all that stuff on the left, when it goes way far...
It gets really crazy, but...
It's probably a good thing to balance out the stuff on the right, and people figure out some sort of comfortable medium.
But he's not being that at all.
If the president is allowing this to go on, he's not being this progressive president.
He's just not.
If he's only going to be progressive towards transgender pronouns and whatever other ridiculous laws that they're swamped with, This is just a terrible precedent to set.
Allowing them to lock people up for pot in 2017 is a fucking criminal waste of resources.
A criminal waste of manpower, a criminal intrusion on the freedom of those people that you're locking up.
Criminal on the disruption that you're putting into their lives and the money that you're taking away from them for trading in something.
Yeah, you know, I consider myself probably more liberal than I am conservative, but when I see the priorities of liberals being identity politics shit, gender pronouns and stuff, and then so much of the real issues just get ignored like this, that makes me hesitant to even say, like, I'm a liberal or I'm more left-wing than right-wing or whatever, because I'm just like, your priorities are totally fucked.
They're totally out of order.
You know, apparently in Canada, they're fighting all these fucking politically correct identity politics battles, but they can't deal with the pot issue.
Police raids against pot dispensaries are actually up, and they're trying to charge people with petty fucking weed-smoking crimes.
People that don't engage in it that don't understand it and that feel like they have the right to go and lock people up for it You know when the Trump administration started signaling that they were gonna Take on weed or that they were thinking about it at least that it was on the table So stupid.
At that point, I made a video where I was basically making all the cases why this is terrible.
This is a bad idea.
I made the economics argument.
I made the personal freedom argument.
I pointed out the tremendous amount of revenue this is generating for the states that have legalized it.
And a huge part of the response was just like...
Yeah, oh yeah, of course he goes after Trump when Trump goes after his precious weed.
I made fucking so many cogent arguments that hold water about the economic and personal liberty ramifications of something like this, and all you want to focus on is my personal usage of this fucking substance.
It's a very, very foolish thing to try to step in in 2017 with all the science and all the information and the public opinion and to say that marijuana is something that can get you locked up.
That guy needs a pot brownie more than anything in this life.
He just needs a quarter.
Just give him a quarter.
Let him sit there and let him think about his grandchildren.
Let him think about fishing and let him think about just napping in the sun and going to meet the good lord in a few years.
You don't have much time left, motherfucker.
You want to ruin it for potheads?
You're barely alive.
Your hair's white, your posture's bad, and you're standing there lying.
You're lying on television about heroin and pot being, like, really close.
That's a crazy person who doesn't know what pot does.
You're talking about pot, you obviously have no idea what it's like.
It's like a person who's colorblind, describing some sort of a kaleidoscope.
You don't know what you're even talking about.
For a guy like him, if you want to have a person who's talking about individual experiences, they should have had, like if you're talking about someone who's talking about the effects of a chemical and whether or not it should be legal, they should have had some sort of experience with that chemical.
They should know what it's doing.
They should understand it, especially if it's safe, something like marijuana.
So for you to talk about it and to have these ridiculous...
You can't...
You can't invest one evening in a safe environment.
They'll do it in a laboratory or a hospital somewhere, pad up the rooms, and give you a pot cookie.
I don't know if this is just apocryphal or if this is an actual story, but I remember there being something about him saying that he thought the KKK were good guys until he found out they smoked weed.
And that, not only that, there has been evidence that he's done many things for civil rights.
I had read that, too.
But I think that's, it just might be the case of people being overzealous and trying to paint, I mean, you could find things, I'm sure that you've said or that I've said, if you take them completely out of context, you could paint a very different opinion.
It's not that hard when they go out and say that pot is nearly as dangerous as heroin, because at that point you're just like, this person is either delusional or is willfully deceptive.
Like the story I told about my brother at the beginning of the show.
But by and large, I know a lot of people with bad anxiety who smoke weed and it makes them feel better, it makes them feel more comfortable in social situations, stuff like that.
And it's actually better for a lot of people for pain than even heroin is.
Especially edible pot.
Edible pot is supposed to be really good for people that have chronic pain.
Just a massive reducer of inflammation.
But you can function on it.
Especially physiologically, you can function.
If you do something you already know how to do and you're high on pot, especially pot edibles, it doesn't have any performance decreasing elements to it.
It doesn't decrease your performance.
In fact, a lot of people do it right before they do jujitsu because they think it increases their performance.
I've known people who get high before they go work out, because they're like, yeah, you know, it's gonna keep me more focused and, you know, especially if you're smoking like a strong sativa strain, it might give them a little energy burst.
Yeah, I mean, I don't really do a lot of like physical activities that much, but like if I'm gonna do like stretching or something, it's nice to be high and just like, you know.
Like, when you're stretching your high, it feels like, ooh, you're supposed to be doing this.
You should do this more often, dude.
Like you just have a better accounting of what the signals your body sending you because I think when you're when you're sober You know you can try to think about all your different areas and tune into the body and all the the various points of contact where the Elbows meet the forearm and think about all the muscle tissue, but you have to like really Go through it Like, step by step and be really conscious of what you're doing.
Like when we were pulling up the information, he thought I was being a bully because we were pulling up things that showed contrary to what he was saying about car accidents.
I've since looked into it and the American Automobile Association has some statistics where they think that it's increasing.
There's an increased number of people that have marijuana in their system when they have the car accidents.
But the real problem with that is there might be just as much of an increase in those people smoking marijuana in that area.
It might not be related to the accident.
Just because it's connected to the accident doesn't mean it caused the accident.
In these places, there's a lot of the places where people are smoking pot.
There's a decrease, a decrease in DUI fatalities.
There's a decrease in violent crimes.
There's quite a few different statistics to look at, but Colorado seems to be saying there's a decrease in these car accidents and in DUI-related incidents.
We were on the same network for a while on YouTube, and it was called Polypop.
And the guy that was my assigned...
I forget what the positions called the fucking Facilitator or whatever the fuck he had the same one as I did and he told me you know that video you made about Steven Crowder and That that shit cuz he got in a fight with some union guy on footage and he was like Oh, yeah by this union thug and I punched him.
I looked at the footage.
I'm like Wait a minute this guy Gets up from the ground.
And I put that out there, and here's the interesting thing.
He said he was going to sue me for what I said about it.
He then later went to court and a judge looked at the footage and kind of came to the same conclusion I did and said, I don't think that this went down the way you're saying based on the footage I see.
He lost that court case and then he had to drop any sort of idea of a lawsuit against me because a judge had already ruled that the tape was bullshit, didn't really show what he thought it should.
There's also instances where I challenged him to debates back in the day, not recently.
But he would never acknowledge me.
I mean, one time he did send his, like, little brother after me.
We went and watched a bunch of Young Turks videos so we could put out this special Drunken Peasants vs.
the Young Turks We shot about five hours of us watching Young Turks videos and just tearing them apart.
And one of the things I noticed is what Cenk will do, and watch for this if you're ever watching his shit, he'll have his panel say something that's like super crazy left-wing.
Like someone will say it, like Anna will say it, or one of the Stephen O, or whatever, whoever he's got on.
Ben Mankiewicz, whatever.
They'll say something that's real far left-wing.
And then it'll cut to Cenk.
And Cenk will have more of like a moderate left-wing opinion.
And then it'll go back to them and they'll immediately capitulate to Cenk.
Like, oh yeah, Cenk.
What you're saying is way more sensible than what I said a second ago.
And I just saw that pattern recurring over and over and over again.
So I don't know if that's like by design or if they're just they feel like the need to capitulate to him because they're maybe scared of him or something.
There's definitely a lot of emotions going on there, too.
There's a lot of emotion in the way they describe things.
And some people, I think, at least initially connected to that.
But then they see where it gets problematic if you're dealing with any really serious issue and you want to debate just the facts and have your ducks in a row.
I just think people handle certain types of confrontation and disagreements.
And they don't handle them the best way they could and then those things escalate and they compound and then it becomes who you are and then you're defending who you are and Then you're always trying to argue with people about who you are and what you've done and like that's when you're gone Yeah, that's when you're over the top.
It's like we've done that we've done that and we've done this we've done that like Hey, you're talking about shit.
That's happening in the world.
That's all you're doing That's all any of us are doing.
That's all anybody's doing Unless you're out there digging wells in the Congo with Justin Wren, what you're doing is you're talking about shit.
So if you've got a bunch of people listening to you talk about shit, it's just talking about shit.
At the end of the day, you don't get any extra points because more people are listening or more people are watching.
Your point isn't more valid.
Your point still has to stand up in the marketplace of ideas.
And yours is just as valid as his, is just as valid as mine.
If the delivery system is a bigger delivery system, it doesn't mean that everybody has to stop and take you into account because you've had more success in this market.
And when him and Alex Jones battle back and forth between who gets the most viewers and who has the most viewers, I'm like, holy shit, this is ridiculous.
Did you see when Alex went onto the stage at South by Southwest?
You know, when he was covering the whole Milo thing, he played a very deceptive version of the Milo clip, and he credited us basically as a podcast, and talked about us as like, we're doing this podcast from a basement somewhere or something.
And, like, that moral indignation that she has over everything, like, everything is always like, YOU- OH MY GOD! I CANNOT BELIEVE! You know?
I hate that- I hope that constant, I'm indignant about everything in the world, and I'm this great moral judge here to fucking tell people what's really what.
Imagine being those kids and going, what in the fuck?
We didn't do that.
Oh, Nancy Grace, shut up.
Nancy Grace, that's not the truth.
Those boys are terrible.
She's made her entire career off of exploiting the worst human beings in their worst case scenarios and then putting it on TV and getting everybody outraged.
I love the interdimensional child molester thing, because it's like, they have interdimensional travel capabilities, and they're like, immediate thing, like, what do we use this for?
They're always, like, the archetypes of, like, when you get into the really hardcore conspiracy theorists, the archetypes are always, like, very satanic.
The archetypes are always, like, eugenics.
Like, they want to kill off a massive amount of the population.
Engineering a master race.
Like, keeping all the medicine and the resources for the elites.
Killing off everyone else.
Preparing to get off this planet, because they know it's doomed, because Nibiru's coming.
It's all this apocalyptic shit.
It's really fascinating, because so much of it revolves around these...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you blacked out, like something happened, you had like a little minor heart attack, and your leg stopped working, you blacked out.
I just think it's very possible that something I I leave the option like the seven planets fucking thing like what's that they say?
It's like a it's like a reincarnation trope where you're like you go through like seven stages of life Where like the first year I think humans are like second or third on the list But eventually like in your seventh life You become, like, a being of a...
Well, I mean, it's not necessarily your seventh, because you're, like, repeatedly attempting...
Yeah, like, if you're a shitty human being, you might get sent back, or you might just be a human being again, but eventually, you get reincarnated as, like, an immortal being of pure enlightenment, and just one with the cosmos and all that shit.
If we just had you talking on CNN again, and they would go, well, what inspired you to make this decision after all your years of atheism YouTube videos to become a Christian?
And now that you are a Christian, are you going to take those videos down?
No, no, no, it's not because your belief in the Lord is so powerful that despite the fact you talked about faking it, you're going to talk about it in the exact same way because it actually did happen.
It's almost like God was like, oh, you think you're so smart, TJ? Well, I'll show you.
I'll show you and I'll have the exact same scenario play itself out and I will show myself to you and I will touch your heart.
Yeah, if you got like a real actor, like a real powerful actor to go up there and do it in a real...
I mean, there's like a guy like Leonardo DiCaprio.
Like Leonardo DiCaprio, the problem with Leo is he's too handsome and he gets too much pussy.
You're not going to take him seriously.
You're just not.
He's got too much money.
He's always balling all over the world.
He's on yachts with models.
Too much money, I'm sorry.
But if we could get past that, if somehow or another we could get past that, like if that guy settled down, he had a wife, and he had a kid, and then he had some religious epiphany, and then he really got close to the Lord, and he was really gathering up the scripture, and then he started fucking preaching.
You know the expression, politics is for people that suck at showbiz.
It's for ugly people that suck at showbiz.
And that's essentially what religion is.
I mean, it's another form of showbiz-ness.
What you're doing is, by doing it that way, the only way you do it that way is you have to put on a performance.
If you're going to stand in front of all those people and talk about what the Lord does to me, whether you have passion for it or not, that is an orchestrated performance.
It's an art form.
You're riling people's sensibilities up and stimulating their minds.
It's fucking weird.
It's a fucking weird way to worship.
You know, it's very weird.
You pay a bunch of money to get in an arena, and some con man screams and yells about the Lord and pretends that he can read people's minds and heal the sick.
Like, we were talking about this the other day about wild pigs.
That when wild pigs get loose, like you take a domestic pig and when they get loose, their body morphs, their snout grows, their hair gets thicker, their tusks grow longer.
Imagine if like when a woman really believed in Jesus, if she really believed in God, her pussy would just tighten down like a fist and you would realize it when you were fucking her.
Like, wow, the Lord is inside of her.
This is a girl I should come inside of because I should make babies with her because the Lord is in her.
I don't know how true statistically it is, but they say that the rape is a big problem when they go to these western countries, these refugees and shit.
Don't you think that any country that has been around for as long, like any part of the world, really, where civilization has existed for a long, long, long time, it's very difficult to get those people off their old ways.
And when you're dealing with a place like the Middle East, like...
Iraq is the oldest...
They think that, like, Sumer, which is where Iraq is, as far as we know, that's the oldest civilization we're currently totally aware of, right?
6,000 years ago, there was people living in there, and they had mathematics, they had It was a really advanced civilization for the time.
And the people that are there today, in a lot of ways, I mean, these people have come in and people have left, but a lot of the fucking energy and the ideas of that culture are still in some way connected to this 6,000 year old culture.
We're still kind of fucked in this country because we're connected to the Puritans.
We're connected to the pilgrims that landed.
I mean, all these people that came over here seeking religious freedom and they were super religious and super puritanical in their beliefs.
Well, remember, it wasn't just the Puritans that were sent here.
It was kind of like the Puritans were sent.
Well, the Puritans came here to escape religious persecution, and then a lot of the dregs of their society were sent here like, get the fuck out of here.
But if you really look at it, that's like the flip side.
You can kind of even look at America today and still see, like, oh, here's where the Puritan element comes in, and here's where the degenerate scumfuck element comes in, and then you've got America.
But, you know, it's like people around here, they almost try to, like, put a sorry over things to defuse any possible, like, well, if I say sorry, then people won't be as pissed.
Or, like, there's tensions between these different groups of people.
Because the attitude that they have, like, in the Northwest, at least the parts of it I live in, are just kind of like...
People just kind of really don't give a shit about each other.
And there's sort of like an air of like, detached, like, yeah, you know, I'll be somewhat friendly and shit, but we're not all gonna fucking, we're not gonna exchange all these niceties and shit.
And it's a very, like, brusque attitude, and people are sort of detached.
And it was a rare day where it was super sunny and warm, and I was like, okay, if this was like this all the time, do you know this place would be so fucking crowded?
Your relationship that you have with nature is what keeps people away, but it also enhances, in my opinion, the way the people that live there look at things.
I'm not really one who focuses a lot on the physical beauty of an area, but I love just driving through, like over a bridge or something, in the Seattle area and just...
Seeing all the fucking hills and all the trees and all the water and everything just looks really, like, serene and picturesque and beautiful, even though, you know, there's a shit ton of people there.
I mean, Duncan Trussell, I'm texting him every day, fuck New York City, because another blizzard just hit, you know, and I'm like, fuck you, and fuck New York, because Duncan just moved there.
I'm like, why'd you leave me, bitch?
You left me and went to a stupid spot that snows in the middle of goddamn March.
And they just have to commute every day for an hour.
Which, if you see it in the morning...
I drove up there once real early in the morning...
I was driving up towards Bakersfield and it was like boy I want to say like before dawn so it was about 530 in the morning and the amount of people coming towards LA from way past Bakersfield was fucking stunning like stunning like I really had no idea and it's people that can't afford housing in LA and so they commute and they commute And they have to get up really early in the morning to do it.
Because at 5.30 in the fucking morning, it's bumper to bumper traffic on the 5. It's nuts, man.
Like, you ain't never seen anything like it.
You just go, oh my god, this is something that I didn't even realize was an issue.
All those people that can't afford to live in LA and they drive down.
And it's a lot of fucking people that live out there and drive down here for work.
Well, they're talking about doing more affordable housing along the way for people to just establish these artificial communities, but there's a lot of resistance to that.
People that live in that area don't want those areas developed.