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Feb. 14, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #916 - Fight Recap
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brendan schaub
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bryan callen
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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unidentified
Five, four, three, two, one.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know who makes this weed, but fuck you.
Whoever it is.
bryan callen
It's some strong ganja.
joe rogan
This is some Ed Rosenthal weed.
bryan callen
It's some strong grass.
joe rogan
Yeah, we went deep.
We went to the deep end of the pool.
Just back from Brooklyn, so we would recap this, but before, I want to congratulate Eddie Bravo on becoming 5'9".
bryan callen
Eddie Bravo, 5'9".
eddie bravo
It's huge though.
There's a big difference between 5'8 and 5'9".
joe rogan
Tell me about it, I'm still 5'8".
unidentified
Big difference, big difference.
joe rogan
When you have compressed discs, you literally get...
I mean, when you look at old people and they're all fucked up like that, that's really what's going on.
They're shrinking because they're disc tissues.
bryan callen
The Chinese say you're as old as your spine.
joe rogan
Oh, I like Chinese people.
They make good food, they say cool shit on fortune cookies.
bryan callen
I like that I just attributed a billion people.
I was like, a billion people say...
It came from somewhere in China, from one guy.
joe rogan
I ordered a laptop, and I got the package, and it came straight from China.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
And it just sinks in, you know, especially when, you know, you get something that's from a country like China.
Like, there's only one reason why they're making something in China.
There's one reason.
Well, there's two reasons.
One, because they make a lot of things there, so the manufacturing tolerances are very high.
They make very, like, when iPhones, things along those lines.
But also because you know people are going to work for cheap and live there.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Like, when you get a laptop, like, there's a real thing you do.
You know you don't want to live the way the people who made this live.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
But you're going to get it anyway.
bryan callen
You're going to get it anyway.
joe rogan
You're going to get it anyway because you can go one click on the Apple store.
That's so true.
It's fucking weird, man.
brendan schaub
That's the way it works, though.
I know, but it's weird.
And they probably got paid seven cents to make your laptop.
bryan callen
Actually, in China, China's actually, because they've made so much money, now their workers are demanding way more, you know, sort of like- 21 cents.
Higher salaries.
joe rogan
Dude.
bryan callen
Also like better working- An actual bed.
Guess what's going on now?
brendan schaub
Food for the day.
bryan callen
Yeah, but they're losing jobs.
Now a lot of Chinese manufacturers are going, you know- Gotta go to South America.
If we go to Malaysia and we go to Vietnam, these guys will work for even less.
So Chinese workers are losing jobs to fucking Malaysians and Vietnamese.
It's just economics.
brendan schaub
How about the people at Apple?
They run such a tight ship, they had to put nets down because so many of the workers would commit suicide.
So there's nets.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a company called Foxconn.
What?
Foxconn's the company that makes all of the laptops, and they make a gang of Apple products.
I think they make phones, too.
They make phones, too?
They make a bunch of their shit, but they literally have nets around the roof.
And here's the best part.
So many people committed suicide that they had to address it, and their argument was, well, you have to understand, these people live here, so if you look at the number of people and consider it like a population, the suicide rate is very similar.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
bryan callen
If they live there...
You can play with stats.
unidentified
If they live in the factory, aren't they basically just slaves?
bryan callen
They're slaves.
brendan schaub
Yes, they're slaves.
joe rogan
They're slaves.
bryan callen
Have you ever noticed...
joe rogan
And they make iPhones.
They're getting money.
They're getting money.
They can leave when they want.
eddie bravo
But they got money in the concentration camp, so...
joe rogan
No, they didn't.
They definitely didn't get money in concentration camp.
Yeah, no one's on the payroll in concentration camp.
You don't have to be there.
You can leave whenever you want, but this is all they're going to give you.
And you're going to work 16 hours a day or whatever the fuck they make them work.
bryan callen
At least.
eddie bravo
That's legit slaves, no matter what they're getting.
They do pennies.
That's real slavery.
And iPhones come from this?
joe rogan
Are you sure?
brendan schaub
That's a conspiracy theory.
unidentified
How do we allow that?
bryan callen
There's no way we would allow that.
joe rogan
Here's the question.
Would you want your mom to be working there?
Would you want your wife to be working there?
What do you mean is that's all she can do.
brendan schaub
She could just put together iPhones and that's what she's going to have to do.
bryan callen
A dollar an hour is better than no money an hour, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're right.
You're definitely right.
bryan callen
And by the way, what's interesting about China is that they do have a huge middle class as a result of their industrialization and all the suffering they went through in the 80s and 90s.
You've got, what, 400 million middle class workers now who are buying things like cell phones and flat screen TVs and all kinds of stuff.
You know what's fascinating to me, though, is that when was, and I'll wait for when you can tell me, when was the last time you bought anything made in Russia?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
bryan callen
If you could please, just anything.
brendan schaub
Vodka, right?
bryan callen
Even their vodka sucks, and we don't know.
brendan schaub
How fucking dare you.
bryan callen
And by the way, I don't know if it sucks, but we use American, Swedish vodka, and all that.
joe rogan
Are you being paid off by Bellator before this Fedor event?
Some anti-Bellator marketing strategy.
We're going to defend Fedor and his Russia of doom.
bryan callen
They're basically a one-crop economy, man.
joe rogan
They make great vodka.
bryan callen
Crude oil.
Wow.
Isn't that nuts?
joe rogan
Well, they were held back for so long.
Communism doesn't fucking work, kids.
It doesn't work.
brendan schaub
It takes a while.
bryan callen
Either there's a monarchy, which it is now, with a czar like Putin.
Your private property means nothing because the government can come along and go, did you say something about me?
We'll take that over.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just take them over and throw them in jail.
That's not a damn thing you can do.
bryan callen
Who's going to open a business?
brendan schaub
What about furs?
Don't they make furs in Russia?
bryan callen
Not really.
joe rogan
God makes furs, bro.
And they're supposed to stay on the animal.
bryan callen
Thank you.
joe rogan
You piece of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
I'm supposed to stay on the animal.
joe rogan
That's called virtue signaling.
bryan callen
Isn't it crazy how the population are very disciplined people?
It's actually a really colorful culture that created a lot of art, and the Russians are smart people and everything else.
They are, and they produce nothing.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what they produce.
I'll tell you what they produce.
Motherfucking ass kickers.
bryan callen
Yes, they do.
joe rogan
They got some serious ass kickers come out of Russia.
Look at who's running boxing right now.
Gennady Kolovkin, Sergei Kovalev.
I don't care what anybody says.
I love Andre Ward, but I thought Sergei Kovalev won that fight.
Shut it up.
Stunned him.
He constantly pressed the attack.
I just didn't think that I didn't even think it was that close.
bryan callen
The Russians are so macho.
The Russians are macho.
They're a patriarchal society.
So if you think about Putin, he hunts tigers.
He's on horseback with his shirt off.
joe rogan
By the way, I have to say this because people always correct us.
Like Lomachenko's from Ukraine.
brendan schaub
How fucking close is it?
joe rogan
No, see, you see that, but that's like saying Canada and America.
brendan schaub
It's so close.
joe rogan
But it's not.
brendan schaub
It's North America, sir.
joe rogan
You know, if there's some bad motherfucker who's skating up in Canada, some unbelievable hockey player, do you consider him American?
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
I'd say North American.
joe rogan
You consider him, he's a goddamn Canadian.
You know who he is.
He's gonna kick your ass.
He's over here to play hockey better.
bryan callen
More importantly, sir?
joe rogan
Poffa Wayne Gretzky.
bryan callen
More importantly, don't forget that the Ukraine and Russia proper, it was annexed by the Soviet Union, the Union of Soviets.
But it was essentially, Ukraine has always considered themselves a sort of not part of the Kremlin.
They've always considered themselves their own country.
And I would remind people that a nice guy named Joseph Stalin starved the Ukraine, and about eight and a half million people died of starvation because he essentially Collected, forcefully collected all of their crops, and for a thousand reasons, and they all, about eight and a half million people.
It's an area about the size of the Midwest of the United States.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
It's like a goddamn history teacher.
joe rogan
You know who's got a great fucking video series?
Oliver Stone.
The, uh, what is it?
It's on Netflix.
Something's History of the United States?
A Secret History of the United States?
Is that what it's called?
Something along the lines?
bryan callen
Yeah, I heard about this.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
You know, Oliver Stone is a real history fanatic.
And he, I mean, it must have been exhaust, the untold history of the United States?
Is that it?
Yeah, okay.
brendan schaub
Sounds like a conspiracy to me, Eddie.
joe rogan
It's fuck Eddie.
You want to look at conspiracies?
Look at the way the world really works.
Forget all the nonsense.
This is fucking fascinating and all proven.
You could watch the videos of the people saying what they're saying.
You could see what happened after World War II. Give me a highlight.
eddie bravo
What's one thing that will trip people out?
joe rogan
Just this horrific fucking history that we have in the world of people just going into other countries with their armies and killing groups of people.
And just the amount of times that it's happened over the history of the United States when Oliver Stone is like laying it all out with the footage.
The untold history of the United States.
It's fucking fantastic.
brendan schaub
And it's Americans taking over?
joe rogan
Everybody taking over everybody.
It's Hitler, when Hitler was pushing into Poland, when Hitler was in Africa, like all these, the whole thing, it's chaos.
The history of people is the history of people taking over giant chunks of land and fucking things up.
We just haven't experienced it over here.
We are so young.
This country is so fucking young.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
It's crazy when you watch this documentary when you realize, like, oh, this calm is like a very rare moment where the ocean is still before tidal waves come smash.
brendan schaub
When's the tidal wave coming?
joe rogan
Those tidal waves are going on all over the world right now.
If you're in Syria right now, you are watching missiles fly into apartment buildings.
You're watching suicide bombers if you're in Afghanistan.
You're watching all kinds of chaos all throughout the world.
It's just not happening here.
So we're being lulled.
We're being lulled to this false sense of what a human being is.
bryan callen
Well, what's fascinating also is that in order to galvanize armies...
God, your seat's hot!
joe rogan
Your seat's hot!
I'm scared of mice now.
I'm scared of my feet getting beat by mice.
bryan callen
The fear, though, is you galvanize young armies.
You galvanize armies around what?
Around ideology.
Around things like communism is the best way to go.
Fascism is the best way to go.
Christianity is the best way to go.
Islam is the best way to go.
And those armies have to have something they're fighting for.
So that's what's fascinating about it.
If you read the Old Testament, man, it's literally about, it's God's like, you guys are fucking worshipping false idols, I gotta send the Babylonians in, obviously the Iraqis.
You know who destroyed Solomon's Temple in 586 BC, which was the Jews built their temple, that was their most sacred thing?
The Babylonians, you know who they are?
They're the Iraqis.
The Iraqis have a fucking footprint, a historical footprint that's so much bigger.
joe rogan
6,000 years.
bryan callen
It's crazy!
joe rogan
They're the original civilization as far as modern historians are concerned.
unidentified
And written language.
bryan callen
And written language, cuneiform.
joe rogan
First mathematics.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
Their writing is these weird, it looks like old school nails.
You know what an old nail looks like?
You ever work in a building?
You ever do construction?
brendan schaub
Uh, no.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, we did a lot of construction in Boston.
A lot of those buildings are really old.
And a lot of the really old buildings, they have a different kind of nail in them.
It's a handmade nail.
So instead of looking like a circle with like a straight line, what they look like is like a wedge.
It's like a hard, like flat.
It's not round at the top.
And they would...
See, that's what the cuneiform looks like.
Pull up an old nail, though.
Pull up an old construction nail.
They look like a wedge.
bryan callen
It's got like four sides.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that's what that cuneiform...
bryan callen
There it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See those nails...
Well, that's kind of a rotten out one.
There you go.
See how they look like that?
They look like a wedge.
See, they're like a little sword more than they are like a rounded cylinder type thing with a pointy end.
unidentified
Handmade, too?
joe rogan
Oh, those are all handmade.
They used to have some sort of a mold to it, but you would go to a blacksmith or whoever.
No, those are iron, man.
unidentified
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine.
They're steel.
unidentified
No, it's green.
bryan callen
I think it's green.
I think it's copper.
joe rogan
No, Brian, trust me.
Those are rusted.
They're old.
That's iron.
That's 100% iron.
You see all that rust on it?
Copper doesn't rust.
I gotcha.
That's how they would make those.
My stepdad was an architect, so I got a lot of jobs on construction sites.
That's what I did through high school.
brendan schaub
That's a beast of a job.
joe rogan
Dude, it lets you know you don't want to work, I'll tell you that.
eddie bravo
Hell yeah, I roofed for a week.
joe rogan
Dude, I did insulation in a fucking building in the summer.
So we're building this house, and I'm the kid who has to carry the insulation up the stairs, then put it in the ceiling.
So people do that.
They don't want to listen to me.
They're like, listen, bitch, I'll do that tomorrow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a lot of people do that.
And you get it in your skin, and you can't get it out.
That's the pink stuff?
Yeah, and you have to wear a mask.
Fire glass?
You've got to wear a mask because you're breathing it in.
Because as you're putting that stuff up, it's flying in the air.
Like, you would see the light would come in from one of the windows, and you would see, like, all these particles in the air.
You're like, oh, terrific.
Look what I'm breathing.
bryan callen
The worst thing, the worst job I ever had was tearing a house down in Washington, D.C. in the summer, and then we'd take it and bring it out to Lawton Landfill, and you'd have to cart it off, and then we poured the base for a built, like a big apartment or a building, actually a house, the base with the cement and stuff.
You have to dig, and that kind of work.
I remember going, there's no fucking way, I'm going to stay in college, and I'm going to figure out a way to not ever have to do this again.
It was the worst shit in the world.
And you wake up early.
For some reason when you work construction, you're up super early.
unidentified
You have to be.
bryan callen
And you're driving in that truck, yeah.
joe rogan
Now stop and think about someone in China making your iPhone.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
Ten times worse.
Ten times worse.
Living in a factory.
brendan schaub
Making the iPhone or doing construction?
joe rogan
Making the iPhone.
They're just doing the same thing.
bryan callen
The monotony.
joe rogan
Every day, the monotony.
Working with these machines, they demand productivity.
What kind of food are you getting there?
It's got to be terrible.
If you're forced to live there and you're getting terrible food, you're all packed together like sardines, what they'll live for.
bryan callen
In this country we have the same thing on hog slaughter farms and things like that.
joe rogan
Look at that.
bryan callen
There's a routine to it.
joe rogan
Look at all those people working there.
bryan callen
Yeah, I'd go crazy.
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
joe rogan
You got AC. You all dressed the same too.
bryan callen
At least the chairs are super comfortable.
eddie bravo
It doesn't look that crazy.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying, Eddie.
joe rogan
You want to work there?
You would go crazy.
Eddie, you don't see madness in that?
Like you.
Look at the suicide nets.
unidentified
The nets.
joe rogan
Suicide nets.
Look at all these people stacked in together in these little tiny dormitories.
eddie bravo
Free housing.
brendan schaub
That's free rent.
joe rogan
Good point.
eddie bravo
I'm hooking them up.
brendan schaub
It's like dorm rooms.
joe rogan
You think guys get really good at like missing the net?
You gotta just jump further.
Just run like a Jackie Chan off the top of the roof.
eddie bravo
I bet they're stoked.
I bet they're trying to get that job.
bryan callen
Look at Japan.
You've seen the subways where they push you on?
joe rogan
They push people in.
bryan callen
I've been there where they did that to us.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
We're in rush hour and I wanted to go down there to see what it was like and you get shoved Bring that up.
You'll see these guys.
brendan schaub
They ram them to fill them into the train?
bryan callen
They pay dudes in uniforms to push you in like a sardine for real.
This is happening right now.
I had it happen to me.
joe rogan
Just over the population?
Well, you know what's amazing is how uniform people's behavior is in Japan and how people are so polite and calm and they get along.
bryan callen
What the fuck?
unidentified
In Japan?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
bryan callen
They had to because a lot of people are in a very small area.
brendan schaub
Wait for the next train, you dummies.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
This guy's trying to push people.
brendan schaub
Is there not another train coming right after?
joe rogan
They can't have any more trains.
bryan callen
This is every day.
brendan schaub
One.
bryan callen
Push.
Push that fucker.
Get in there, you sardine.
You sardine.
joe rogan
It's so ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
This is a pervert's delight.
bryan callen
This is going on right now in Japan.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were a pervert.
eddie bravo
This is Japan?
bryan callen
There are a lot of perverts.
joe rogan
You guys just nut in their pants every time they ride on that thing.
brendan schaub
Just can't wait to get pushed into a girl.
bryan callen
It's a thing in Japan where you get a lot of guys who rub up against girls.
eddie bravo
Is that China or Japan?
Big difference.
Is that China or Japan?
unidentified
Look at that.
bryan callen
That's Japan.
joe rogan
Japan is, like, incredibly populated, but really small.
I think Japan...
Did we decide...
Do we measure that as the most...
unidentified
35 million-ish?
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's very small.
eddie bravo
Can people die in that?
joe rogan
Is it the size of New York City?
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and skip on the train.
joe rogan
Japan, like...
I don't know how big Japan is.
I might have made that up.
It's not the size of New York City.
bryan callen
I feel like it's the size of...
unidentified
Tokyo.
joe rogan
Tokyo is the size of New York City, right?
But Japan itself is the size of...
bryan callen
Is Japan the size of California?
How big is it?
joe rogan
That makes sense.
bryan callen
But it's an archipelago, too.
There are different islands, too.
joe rogan
Big as Texas?
Tokyo is like 35 million people though.
Sweat that.
Stacked into this little spot.
And they're super orderly.
bryan callen
8 million.
When Curtis LeMay was firebombing Tokyo, I believe about 8 million people in about 8 days died from fire.
That was a good war.
I think it was 8 million or maybe it was a million.
joe rogan
The darkest shit in the Oliver Stone thing is what happened to Russia.
That's the darkest shit.
eddie bravo
What happened?
joe rogan
27 million people died in World War II. 27 million people, man.
It's very rarely discussed.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
How many Russians died?
bryan callen
Yeah, in World War II. And then they had Stalin for the next 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had more people die in World War II than anybody.
brendan schaub
No one talks about it.
bryan callen
And World War I. And World War I as well.
Very flat land, very flat area.
joe rogan
The Oliver Stone thing is overwhelming.
I'm going to have to watch it like three or four times.
eddie bravo
27 million, and this was World War II? Yeah.
But wasn't there only 2 million deaths total from like...
joe rogan
No, there's a lot more than that.
eddie bravo
2 million deaths from soldiers.
bryan callen
50 million.
unidentified
Soldiers.
eddie bravo
Most of them were civilians, the deaths.
bryan callen
There are about 50 million altogether or maybe more from total in World War II. No, I'm talking about just soldiers, though.
eddie bravo
I think two million soldiers.
joe rogan
Well, there's probably a lot of civilian deaths.
I mean, there were firebombing buildings.
eddie bravo
Most of the deaths, by far, were civilian.
According to what I saw, I must...
bryan callen
A lot of civilian deaths, because there was a lot of caught on them.
joe rogan
There was a lot of civilian deaths, 100%, because there was a lot of firebombing cities, like just indiscriminate firebombing, especially in Japan.
Like, we did some horrible shit to them before we dropped the atomic bomb.
Even before we dropped the atomic bomb, they were firebombing cities.
bryan callen
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They killed everybody that was down there.
The nuclear bomb itself, that is so crazy that they were willing to drop...
I mean, this is where a war gets.
You're willing to drop a bomb on a city.
Not a military base.
bryan callen
No.
Which is weird.
Because Nagasaki and Hiroshima, remember, were the industrial cities that were churning out a lot of the war planes, and that was where the center of their war machine was.
Remember, we dropped pamphlets.
joe rogan
Hundreds of thousands.
bryan callen
My great uncle dropped the pamphlets, the warning pamphlets, saying, we're gonna fucking...
eddie bravo
Drop a bomb.
bryan callen
You guys better surrender.
joe rogan
Gotta get out of here.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They gave him pamphlets?
They gave him warnings.
That's how crazy nuclear power was.
And meanwhile, they had only blown up shit in the desert, you know, and stuff in the ocean before.
They really weren't sure what was gonna happen.
bryan callen
We didn't know.
A lot of scientists didn't know that there was energy trapped in an atom.
And when they actually detonated the hydrogen bomb, we were like, wow, all the...
Theorizing about energy and an atom is actually true because we just that's that's kind of proof positive when you when you see a mushroom cloud with that kind of power you're like oh Fuck we just unleashed the horrors of nature which is crazy because we've been in war ever since We've had those things ever since and no one's gotten to the point where that comes out Yeah, everybody's like just keep it on the edges.
joe rogan
Come on, bitch.
unidentified
Is it cuz we realize?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah fucking nasty.
joe rogan
There's a term for it mutually assured destruction Yep, mad.
bryan callen
Your boy Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson had a really fascinating discussion about...
They couldn't really get out of the gates because they couldn't agree on what truth was, but...
joe rogan
That was a frustrating discussion to me.
bryan callen
Very, very much so.
But they had a fascinating idea of there are certain things that you could know scientifically that none of us should know.
And, for example, there are scientific truths that if we knew would actually result in our complete extinction.
joe rogan
Like what?
bryan callen
Like, you know, so an example of when we found out if you split an atom, it creates a chain reaction and a powerful force that can vaporize 100,000 or even a million people, right?
There is potentially scientific knowledge like that that could have, for example, reduced everything that you know to dust.
And if that's something that's actually something you could know, is it worth knowing?
And would it be immoral to know?
You know, that's where morality and science kind of converge and where you have an actual conversation about certain things are so devastating.
And it would mean the end of your entire existence.
So maybe that's a scientific truth, quote-unquote, that isn't worth knowing.
It's scary.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is the universe doesn't give a fuck about that.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
The reality is if someone does invent a time machine and they hit that button, we're all fucked.
I mean, it really could happen.
It really is something that's, you know, within a thousand years, whatever, you give the exponential increase in technology and power and what's available and what they can do.
It could happen, 100%.
bryan callen
That's why it's so important to have those discussions.
joe rogan
Well, that's why, you know, the atomic bomb, there was a real concern that it was going to evaporate the entire atmosphere of the Earth.
It wasn't everybody.
But there was a small group of scientists that go, hold on.
You know what else could happen?
This.
You could kill everybody.
brendan schaub
And they were still like, ah, we'll see what happens.
joe rogan
We don't think so.
bryan callen
Think about the responsibility for a scientist like that.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
Think about, you know, that idea.
How about when they had the first nuclear reactor?
Who was it?
Who was the Italian guy?
The father of the nuclear reactor.
And they were at the university of...
Oh, fuck.
What was the university where...
Where the, I guess, the reactor started overheating.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
And they had, there was a guy with a bucket there who was just going to throw a bunch of water on it.
I mean, it was, I can't, I'm Frederico.
Enrico Fermi.
Yes, Enrico Fermi.
There it is.
joe rogan
What a name.
bryan callen
That's what it was.
Thank you, buddy.
joe rogan
Imagine if your name was Enrico Fermi.
bryan callen
At the University of Chicago.
It started to trip out.
joe rogan
I would wear only handmade suits.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
My name is Enrico Fermi.
bryan callen
Enrico Fermi.
joe rogan
Handmade shoes.
Loafers with nice socks.
bryan callen
He was a genius.
I think he died of radiation poisoning, didn't he?
Because he might have ingested it.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Poor bitch.
brendan schaub
From the time they started the Manhattan Project, how long did it take to actually figure out the atom bomb?
joe rogan
That's also in the documentary.
eddie bravo
How many years did it take?
It was a theory for a while that we're trying to figure it out.
Man, it was a theory.
If we could split the atom and hit critical mass, shit, can you imagine what kind of weapon this would be?
They hired a couple thousand scientists.
They started the Manhattan Project, started throwing all this money at it.
And then the final proof was Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
That was it.
Did we pull this off?
And then boom, oh shit!
joe rogan
They knew already that it worked because they had a bunch of tests before they did that.
One of the most horrific thing about the tests was they would have soldiers run towards the blast because they didn't understand radiation back then.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Which is so incredible.
Like, they didn't understand the damage of radiation.
There's videos you can watch online.
Jamie, pull one up.
Where they would blow this atomic bomb up.
They'd have a mock town in the distance.
They would create these mock cities to see what kind of damage it would do.
They'd put up houses and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they'd blow them the fuck up.
And they'd have these soldiers run towards the blast.
And the idea would be that after the blast went off, it killed whatever people it killed, and everybody else would be stunned, and that's when the soldiers would move in.
So they would fucking run towards the...
eddie bravo
Imagine being one of those soldiers.
It's the funniest video ever.
joe rogan
They're all dead.
eddie bravo
Watch it.
joe rogan
They think that's what killed John Wayne.
eddie bravo
Soldiers running to nuclear explosion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Punch that in.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Watch what I just said.
eddie bravo
Watch.
unidentified
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
Looks like a Planet of the Apes movie.
bryan callen
I think it's fascinating.
After we dropped that bomb, those bombs on Japan, when Hirohito, the emperor, got on the radio and said, called for the surrender.
One man said, it's time for us to surrender.
Every single soldier, one of those Japanese, every one of them willing to die for that cause, they dropped their weapons and they surrendered.
They were so fanatically devoted to authority and still in many ways are.
joe rogan
So check this shit out, man.
These fucking dudes are sitting there watching that in the distance.
I mean, they're that close.
And what's crazy is like the wind from the blast comes and hits them.
There's a bunch of different videos of this.
A lot of these were the US Army would document a lot of their training episodes.
And so this is what they would do.
See that?
That's the blast from the nuclear bomb.
Look at that.
These fucking people are standing there in these trenches and there's a bomb going off in the distance.
It's so scary.
Look at this.
They knew so little about what effects it would have on people and they let these people run towards their death.
These people are all running towards radiation sickness, running towards cancer.
They're running towards this fucking mushroom cloud in the desert.
brendan schaub
Was it the repercussions like when they got home that night?
joe rogan
Did they feel like chicks?
You'll never get the full fucking story as to what happened and what kind of health problems.
But John Wayne died because he was filming these spaghetti westerns in the desert in Nevada near these test sites.
And a lot of people that were on the crew with him, this might be bullshit, a lot of people on the crew with him got cancer.
Look that up.
eddie bravo
He got lung cancer from smoking.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
It was the government, man!
eddie bravo
He got lung cancer from smoking, John.
bryan callen
Yeah, he did smoke.
brendan schaub
You don't think it's radiation?
joe rogan
But I think everybody in the film, there was like something about everybody in the film that worked on that film with him, also smoked and also got cancer.
bryan callen
What the fuck?
Fuck!
eddie bravo
How long did it take?
I mean, how long does...
Nuclear bomb goes off, like you just saw a nuclear bomb just went off?
joe rogan
Before you get sick?
eddie bravo
How long do you have to wait until you can populate that area again?
joe rogan
Thousands of years.
bryan callen
Not necessarily because...
eddie bravo
How long did it take Hiroshima and Nagasaki to repopulate?
joe rogan
It's not as bad as nuclear waste.
eddie bravo
It was the atomic bomb.
joe rogan
No, but it's not a waste.
It's a different thing.
I'm talking about the bombs.
eddie bravo
You just said a thousand years it would take for that bomb.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't take a lot longer.
People live in Nagasaki now.
They live in Hiroshima now.
unidentified
How long did it take?
But aren't there factories with the nuclear waste?
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely plants that have nuclear power plants that have nuclear waste in it.
If that stuff gets to what's going on right now in Fukushima, it's very, very dangerous because they can't do anything about it.
And it's getting worse.
The radiation levels are higher in Fukushima now.
They've been battling this disaster since, what, 2012?
Something like that, wasn't it?
bryan callen
Chernobyl is a fascinating example of a major nuclear meltdown, and it's thriving with wildlife.
joe rogan
Yeah, nuclear wolves.
Yeah.
Shane Smith from Vice filmed a show out there.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they were fucking hunting wolves with AK-47s.
unidentified
Phenomenal.
brendan schaub
Like mutant wolves?
joe rogan
Mutant wolves.
They read your mind.
unidentified
Sick.
joe rogan
They read your mind, bro.
unidentified
Besides the Grizzlies!
joe rogan
Don't ever play rock, paper, scissors with them.
These motherfuckers know what's coming.
eddie bravo
You know there's people that think that they never figured it out?
They never figured out how to make the atom bomb, and they just basically firebombed, just like they did all the other cities in Japan?
joe rogan
Those people are retarded.
There's peer-reviewed papers.
bryan callen
But we were in a war, we were in a race with the Nazis to create a bomb.
We knew the Nazis, because a lot of German scientists came over.
Remember, for example, Einstein is an example.
joe rogan
Am I getting confused here?
Are you suggesting that nuclear bombs aren't real?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I'm just saying there's people that think that they never figured it out.
joe rogan
Those people are retarded.
100%.
eddie bravo
They're retarded.
joe rogan
Dude, Oppenheimer's papers that he wrote on it and the work that he did on it.
Anybody could read that.
Anybody could go into that.
It's all documented.
What they did, the tests.
I mean, there's videos of the explosions.
There's videos of them blowing a fucking hole in the ocean that's so insane that they had these boats, these destroyers, placed around the water.
They didn't pull that up.
I forget what the test was, what the nuclear test in the ocean was called.
But there's videos of bombs going off.
You can see it.
It's real.
The destruction is undeniable.
eddie bravo
How do you know they're nuclear and not just regular bombs?
joe rogan
Because the power, the difference in the destruction is insane.
Look at this, Eddie.
bryan callen
Oh my fucking God.
joe rogan
Dude, you're talking about a mile high wall of water.
They had no idea it was going to do that.
brendan schaub
That is so scary.
Imagine if you're a fish.
joe rogan
Joe, they lost this fucking boat.
They're like, we'll just have this boat sit around here.
No big deal.
Look at this monitor.
We're getting a new monitor.
This monitor keeps cutting out.
I don't know what's going on.
bryan callen
That's terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah, dude, it destroys this fucking boat.
joe rogan
They thought they could park their destroyer a certain distance away from this nuclear bomb, so they're like, okay, so if we drop a bomb on them, how close can we be?
Turns out you can't even be remotely fucking close.
Check this shit how you see it from the sky.
Look at this.
Watch this.
They set up this fucking This is terrifying.
Jamie, what are you doing?
Fast forwarding?
There's got to be a part where you can see it from distance.
Because from distance, it's so fucking insane.
That's what it looks like.
That's what it looks like.
You're talking like, what is that, 30,000, 40,000 plus feet in the air?
bryan callen
That's so crazy.
That's water.
That's water, bro.
joe rogan
Dude, it's insane.
unidentified
What the fuck?
bryan callen
And it's not even water, it's gas.
The water evaporates.
eddie bravo
But a regular bomb can't do that?
joe rogan
No fucking way.
That is hundreds of thousands of regular bombs.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
What they can do with these things is insane.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
Nagasaki and Hiroshima are little firecrackers compared to what we have now.
joe rogan
Damn.
bryan callen
Firecrackers.
joe rogan
So it's not a question whether or not nuclear power or nuclear bombs are real.
There's nuclear power that's probably the reason why our lights are on right now.
unidentified
That's right.
bryan callen
We use nuclear power as we speak.
joe rogan
And you know what it does?
Make steam.
bryan callen
Yeah.
I know.
It's very clean.
It's very fucking clean energy.
joe rogan
It gets hot as fuck and it makes steam.
As long as it doesn't get out of your little holding pen.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
It's like you've harnessed a demon and you use that demon to make tea.
bryan callen
That's right.
unidentified
To make tea.
joe rogan
He's got a kettle.
bryan callen
It's so true.
unidentified
It's so true.
joe rogan
And the power that's so unbelievably hot that you constantly keep water in contact with it.
It makes steam.
The steams power the turbines.
The turbines make electricity.
Look!
bryan callen
A piece of uranium, I think the size of a pencil, you can look this up, can run a nuclear submarine for six months.
joe rogan
It's an insane form of energy.
It's a demon and we're harnessing it in a cement box and we're putting it right next to the ocean.
Drive to San Diego.
You ever drive to San Diego and see the nuclear power plant over there?
eddie bravo
What happened to all the nuclear bombs that Russia had?
joe rogan
They still have them.
bryan callen
That's one of the great things about where we've come.
joe rogan
But there's some lost shit, though.
eddie bravo
There was a lot of lost material.
So the Soviets figured out nuclear bombs and the United States.
bryan callen
You know why?
Because the Rosenbergs sold...
eddie bravo
No one else figured it out though?
bryan callen
Did you ever hear that story?
joe rogan
American spies sold...
bryan callen
So the Rosenbergs, a husband and a wife, sold nuclear secrets To the Soviets, because they were communists in this country.
And when they sold them, and was it Truman?
I think Truman put them to death in the electric chair.
They were both killed for high treason.
But the Soviets got those nuclear secrets.
joe rogan
We were the only ones who had it for a while.
And now those motherfuckers sold it to a lot of people.
How about Pakistan and India just pointing them at each other?
bryan callen
Remember this, too.
As the rise of anti-Semitism in the 30s in Germany, and certain scientists and Jews were getting assassinated, beat up, a lot of the German scientists, because there was a real renaissance in Germany and Austria, a physics renaissance, along with people like Albert Einstein, they emigrated to the United States.
Because they were like, I don't think they like the Jews over here in Germany.
And we benefited from that mass immigration.
joe rogan
We've talked about this guy on the podcast before, but the biggest crazy scenario, like ironic scenario, was Fritz Haber, the guy who simultaneously was winning the Nobel Prize for being able to extract nitrogen out of the air.
At the same time, they wanted to try him for crimes against humanity, being the first one to gas people.
And he created Zyklon A, which was this really fucking horrible smelling pesticide.
It was a terrible poison, but it had a horrible smell to it.
And that smell let you know that it was there.
The Nazis took it and turned it to Zyklon B. They took the smell out of it and they used it to gas the Jews.
And this guy was a Jew himself and a scientist.
Dude, he wanted to flee in the country.
bryan callen
He was a patriot.
He wanted to help Germany, his beloved country, win World War I and said, I think I can help you guys with a gas that will kill a lot of people and we'll just wait for the wind to shift.
And he was a patriot.
In his mind, he was killing the enemy who were trying to take over his country.
He was a Jew.
And then, of course, in 19...
Well, starting, my God, and probably...
39, they started using this gas.
What happened to him?
joe rogan
He wound up dying, fleeing Germany.
He had a heart condition.
His life was hell, man.
His wife committed suicide in front of him because of what he was doing.
Shit.
And he left his son with his wife's body while he went off to war to go do more of it.
unidentified
That's smart.
joe rogan
That's right.
The whole thing, it was a different place.
It's a different world.
It's not Santa Monica where you're going to fucking Starbucks and you're getting some sugar-free latte.
Son of a bitch.
bryan callen
People will always starve.
We had to worry about the winter.
It's crazy.
Forget about stuff like that.
We relied on guano.
We relied on guano, on bat shit, and bird droppings from the coast of Chile.
joe rogan
People will go to war for bat shit.
Do you know that?
That's That's where the term batshit crazy?
That's where it came from.
Not in Africa.
People would go to these places in Africa to take guano, and other people would come from other countries, and they would go to war over this stuff because it's the best fertilizer you could use.
bryan callen
Exactly.
They would get nitrogen into the soil.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
But Fritz Haber and his buddy, another guy who perfected this, came up with a way to get nitrogen out of the air, which becomes ammonia.
That's how it drips into a liquid form.
joe rogan
They suck it right out of the air, dude.
bryan callen
So we don't die of starvation anymore.
Modern day farming, and the reason you've never met anybody who died of starvation is because of Mr. Fritz Haber.
You better start getting more fucking grateful and less high because you're just laughing in general.
joe rogan
They say that 50% of the nitrogen, 50% of the nitrogen in the human beings today might have come from the Haber method.
That's like the estimation.
brendan schaub
Shout out to Haber.
bryan callen
Shout out to Hopper.
joe rogan
The air that you're breathing is like 80% nitrogen.
We think of it as oxygen and carbon dioxide.
It's mostly nitrogen.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is really weird.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That's why pure oxygen fucks you up and gets you high.
brendan schaub
And it's dangerous, right?
It's super flammable.
joe rogan
It probably can't be good.
You're super flammable.
unidentified
Super flammable.
When you go to those oxygen bars in Vegas.
joe rogan
We did that once.
eddie bravo
Everyone's tried it at least once.
joe rogan
I don't do jack shit for me.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it doesn't do anything.
unidentified
They're so stupid.
bryan callen
Have you been scuba diving?
You ever been scuba diving?
joe rogan
No, I'm scared.
bryan callen
Fuck that.
I was in...
Fuck that.
You gotta do it.
You'll never...
brendan schaub
Did you almost die for it?
bryan callen
Yeah, I went to...
joe rogan
I'm not going to that alien world.
bryan callen
I went to fucking Tahiti.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Biggest nuclear explosion ever equals to 57 million megatons of TNT. Is this YouTube, though?
eddie bravo
What is this YouTube?
brendan schaub
You tell me, Eddie.
joe rogan
Eddie is silly, Goose.
bryan callen
This is YouTube.
joe rogan
It's like way bigger than that.
bryan callen
It's sourced by the Saurab.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
The ba-boom.
bryan callen
That's in the atmosphere.
Remember who signed the anti-testing treaty in the air atmosphere?
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's incredible.
bryan callen
Kennedy and the Soviets signed a pact to not do this in the atmosphere anymore.
joe rogan
What did Jamie's trying to talk?
jamie vernon
She was in the Arctic Ocean when they did this in 1961. The biggest bomb ever tested.
joe rogan
God!
That's like the final scene in a video game when you win.
eddie bravo
Do you know where they made these movies?
They made them in Hollywood.
No, no, at the Lookout Mountain Studios.
You could look that up.
joe rogan
This is not made in Hollywood, Eddie.
This is a video of an actual bomb going off.
bryan callen
Kennedy and the Soviets sound real.
eddie bravo
I'm just saying they edited it in Hollywood.
brendan schaub
Oh, I see what you're saying.
eddie bravo
They had the biggest studio, Lookout Mountain Studios.
It was a top secret Air Force intelligence.
That's the one we were talking about.
joe rogan
What do you think they should just let...
Some dude who works at the video store edit it?
Who would they have edit it?
It would go to someone who's like the best at editing shit.
eddie bravo
It was the biggest, most advanced movie studio.
joe rogan
Are you saying that that's fake?
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
I'm just saying that's...
They admit it.
That's where they put it.
joe rogan
They film it and they edit it together, but they didn't change it.
No, no, no, I didn't say that.
brendan schaub
How many animals die when you drop that bitch in the air?
unidentified
Everything that's anywhere in the air.
brendan schaub
Everything that's anywhere in the air.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything.
Everything and anything.
bryan callen
Could be millions, millions of animals.
Well, that's why Kennedy signed the anti-testing treaty, the atmospheric testing.
I can't remember how to word it, but he looked out in the window and he said, well, we weren't detonating these bombs in the atmosphere.
Where's that waste go?
And they were like, it just rains down on people.
He goes...
Well, that doesn't make any fucking sense because we're doing it.
The Soviets are doing it.
And that's when they signed a treaty not to do that anymore.
They don't test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere.
unidentified
We don't.
bryan callen
We don't.
joe rogan
But Russia does anymore.
Nobody does.
But Russia did launch some sort of a missile test recently that violates a treaty, apparently.
It's all getting very scary, man.
brendan schaub
Putin's very gangster.
Very gangster.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, he's...
joe rogan
I watch House of Cards, bro.
I pretty much get it.
bryan callen
Putin's created an atmosphere, again, you know, he's just a product, a symptom of the Russian mindset, maybe, but like I said...
joe rogan
He's a hard man in a soft time.
bryan callen
He's a hard man who makes his country weaker.
When was the last time again?
brendan schaub
Hard man in a soft time.
bryan callen
He bought anything Russian.
joe rogan
That's what's going on.
You know, I mean, it might be a soft time for Russia, but it's a soft time for us.
bryan callen
Clint, I mean, Obama said something interesting.
He said, let's just, we can ignore Russia.
They make guns and some oil, but their guns aren't even that good.
Nobody needs them.
unidentified
Obama said that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You didn't really say it like that.
bryan callen
Are you quoting Obama?
joe rogan
Are you stabbing yourself in the finger like you're in a fucking Jesse Ventura movie?
bryan callen
Live on the edge, brother.
I live on the edge.
brendan schaub
This is knife roulette?
joe rogan
That's definitely not the edge.
brendan schaub
As he's quoting Obama.
eddie bravo
That's hysterical.
joe rogan
That knife came from the Congo and it's probably got all sorts of diseases on it.
unidentified
I know.
eddie bravo
Like, dang it.
brendan schaub
Justin Wren probably hit that in his ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why we can get it over here.
So please, take it easy with that thing.
brendan schaub
Justin Wren stole that from a poor kid, so please.
bryan callen
This would be gold in fucking jail.
It'd be my shiv.
joe rogan
That's what you would use?
Fuck yeah, and I'd wrap it!
Feels to me like your fingers would slide right up on the blade.
You'd have one good stab and you'd cut your hand.
bryan callen
Not the way I hold it, brother.
joe rogan
Well, do you put your thumb over the top?
bryan callen
First of all...
joe rogan
Like a pen?
bryan callen
First of all...
joe rogan
Like you're going click-click?
bryan callen
When I yard fight, when I get in a yard shanking fest, I'm slicing.
I'm opening you up.
I'm fucking...
I'm unzipping, motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Brian has actually studied knife fighting and knife fighting techniques and what these guys do.
brendan schaub
No, I catch him watching these weird videos.
unidentified
He's had a conversation with me.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, dude, you're like butter.
They'll slice you open like butter.
bryan callen
I'll unzip you.
I'll scribe your spine from the front.
joe rogan
I gotta go.
I can't do this.
bryan callen
Bro, I can cut you this way.
joe rogan
I'm an adult.
bryan callen
I'll open you up this way, brother.
joe rogan
I pay taxes.
brendan schaub
Show me a video on Instagram.
Dude, look at this guy deadlifting 600 pounds.
I'm like, cool, man.
joe rogan
My friend John Rollo was showing me some pictures on his phone.
We went to lunch the other day.
He was sending me some pictures on his phone of this dude he trains with who's a...
unidentified
Freak!
joe rogan
Just a freak!
100% natural, tested many times.
brendan schaub
I'll have to see it.
joe rogan
Homie, he's deadlifting some ungodly amount of weight, like 700 pounds or some shit from behind his back.
brendan schaub
Jesus!
joe rogan
Behind his back.
brendan schaub
He's going like this?
joe rogan
Going behind himself and lifting this up.
And he's showing this to me.
He had 600 pounds on his back for a squat with no hands.
He puts his hands like this in front of him.
And he does a full deep knee squat with 600 pounds resting while he's in a prayer position.
Yeah, yeah, no hands.
unidentified
He's just crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, like I can do with like a bar by itself.
This motherfucker's got like 600 pounds in squatting like this.
He's insane.
brendan schaub
Big country fed white boy?
joe rogan
Giant black guy.
Giant.
Super athlete.
bryan callen
The naked gorilla to my left over here, according to your brother, you deadlifted over 700 pounds.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but not like that.
This dude's doing it like his asshole.
joe rogan
This guy's won 40 world records.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
4-0.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just a freak.
And Rollo was telling me about him.
He's like, dude, I'm telling you, this guy breaks almost every...
And he's not the heaviest class, so sometimes he competes against people who are heavier than him.
And in those cases, he doesn't lift as much.
bryan callen
That's so nuts.
brendan schaub
Did he play any sports or anything?
joe rogan
He's just really good at lifting.
I forget his name.
He's the best at exercising.
Unbelievable physical strength.
This is what these guys are into, like Mark Bell, you know, Chris Bell, the documentary maker, and his brother Mark from Bigger, Stronger, Faster.
These fucking guys, there's videos, their whole Instagram is like videos of them pushing a new personal record.
They got their fucking elbows all wrapped up, and everything's wrapped up, and Mark's actually got this thing called a slingshot that you put your arm in.
It's like this thick rubber neoprene thing that you bench in, and he's benching 600. Ah!
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
These fucking gorillas rolling.
They're clapping each other.
It's great, right?
It's great.
bryan callen
It takes like a half hour to get into that suit.
joe rogan
They're slapping each other with powder and chalk in the air.
And all they're trying to do is just lift heavier and heavier weight.
It's crazy.
bryan callen
I love it.
I take a weightlifting class now from an Olympian guy.
joe rogan
No, you don't.
bryan callen
Yes, I fucking do.
brendan schaub
Venice Barbell Club.
bryan callen
Yes, I fucking do at the Venice Barbell Club.
brendan schaub
How ridiculous is it?
joe rogan
I saw you try to deadlift in Austin and it looked like you were going to die.
bryan callen
Dude, it's so sad.
I know.
Oh, that was when he was doing like 495. That's that Primal Swolger dude.
joe rogan
That dude from Instagram.
It's just ridiculous kettlebell routines.
He's one of the Onnit instructors.
And this guy is just stupid strong.
And he was deadlifted.
It was like 450 plus 100 pounds of chains, right?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
So it's like $5.50 if you don't really get the full chain.
There's some chain left.
bryan callen
He's a young warrior who likes the chain.
It was great.
joe rogan
It was a mouthpiece.
It was a goddamn savage.
He always works out in the shortest shorts.
No shirt on.
brendan schaub
I would too if I was bodied up like that.
All the chicks around on it.
bryan callen
No, you're thinking about Juan's brother.
brendan schaub
The mouthpiece is too much, though.
joe rogan
I'm taking a primal swolger.
That's who he is on.
There he is.
bryan callen
No, that's Eric, I think.
joe rogan
No, that's the wrong dude, man.
That's his brother.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's his brother.
But Juan is a beast.
His brother's a beast.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I just saw him.
joe rogan
Oh, is that the same guy?
bryan callen
No, different guy.
I'm talking about the other guy who wears glasses over there.
joe rogan
But just go to Primal Swolger.
brendan schaub
That's him.
That's Primal Swolger.
joe rogan
Go to his Instagram page.
Have you ever noticed in that, when you try to click on Instagram pictures from a Mac, sometimes they don't open up in a new window?
bryan callen
The kid's in shape.
joe rogan
He's bodied up, bro.
Yeah, go to that upper left one.
bryan callen
The kid is in shape.
brendan schaub
Dude, looks like a ninja turtle.
bryan callen
Dude, John Wolf worked me out on it when I was there in Austin.
joe rogan
Goddamn fucking shitty computer screen.
We gotta get a new TV. This TV does not communicate with our computer right.
brendan schaub
Just step your game up, son.
joe rogan
He does all these, like, flow exercises.
Shorts couldn't be smaller and go out in public.
brendan schaub
Shout out to short shorts.
Shorty shorts.
joe rogan
Jacked as fuck.
bryan callen
What a stud.
joe rogan
Goddamn stud.
bryan callen
A young warrior.
And his brother Juan.
joe rogan
Kettlebell swinging stud.
brendan schaub
Quad it up, man.
bryan callen
His brother Juan is the other head instructor there and forget it.
brendan schaub
I would never wear a shirt.
joe rogan
John Wolfe is the shit too.
John Wolfe gave me this whole hip series of workouts there.
He gave me this hip thing.
It's all bodyweight exercise.
It's just extending your foot forward.
You do like 10 reps that way and then you do 10 reps like as a sidekick to the side and hold it out in the air.
And then you do 10 reps left and then 10 reps right in front of you like you do circles.
bryan callen
Did it with him.
joe rogan
Amazing!
bryan callen
Unbelievable.
Then he had me take...
John said, let's just work.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
I asked him a question about the mace.
And he goes, yeah.
And he grabs a 15-pound mace.
And I'm like, dude, I'm a lot stronger than 15 pounds.
Give me a fucking break.
Okay.
Yeah.
We did five rounds of some crazy shit.
And 15 pounds was simply perfect.
It was more than I could handle.
joe rogan
I work out with a 25-pound club.
You know those Indian metal clubs?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A 25-pound steel club.
That's it.
That's it.
25 pounds.
bryan callen
That's it.
joe rogan
But when you're doing shit like those things where you're swinging them over your arm like Conan and just holding it in place, it's phenomenal exercise.
And you realize our biggest weakness is the things that are always going bad on people.
And that's the connections.
It's not necessarily your biceps, right?
It's usually the connection between your bicep and your shoulder, your shoulder to your back.
brendan schaub
The tendons?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all our connections.
And when you're doing things like yoga, and when you're doing things like these club bells, where you're holding these big steel clubs in front of you, and you're swinging them over your head, you're developing very strong tissue in all your shoulder joints, and your elbow joints, and your wrist joints.
Because it's constantly manipulating the different...
bryan callen
And it's kinetic.
joe rogan
...the different weight of it.
I mean, you know, gravity is pulling it this way and that way, and you have to stabilize it.
And you're using all these weird muscles that you don't use if you're pushing a Nautilus machine or just doing something simple like a last branch.
Yeah, you've got these isolation things where, like, you're holding one thing and you're moving it in a certain way by itself.
Like, whether it's kettlebell flows or whether it's using steel clubs.
Like, you're controlling, like, all of your different stabilizing muscles in a very unique way.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Like, holding static positions, too.
Like, remember you used to do that one?
It's like a yoga exercise where you're on one knee, and you have one leg straight out, and your arms straight ahead, and you just hold that?
eddie bravo
I just started doing yoga, and I have a whole new respect for yoga.
I mean, I've been doing it now three weeks, and man, it kicks my ass.
It's an hour, and at the 30-minute mark, I'm done.
I gotta leave.
I walk out, dude.
You haven't been in yoga class that I haven't walked out of.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're flexible, right?
eddie bravo
It's so hot.
joe rogan
But you just gotta bring ice water.
eddie bravo
Wait, I do.
Bring ice.
After 30 minutes, I get crushed.
brendan schaub
30 minutes?
eddie bravo
I get crushed in 30 minutes.
bryan callen
It depends on how your body is.
eddie bravo
And then I lay there, and it's so goddamn hot.
It's like 110 degrees in there.
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
You gotta stick it out.
eddie bravo
No, no, I have no choice.
I have no choice.
Every day I'm looking at it.
I actually am proud of myself for going.
Because that's the hardest yoga class they got at core yoga.
They got all different kind of levels.
No heat at all.
Little bit of heat.
I didn't even know it was an accident.
It was just perfect.
10.30 in the morning.
Wake up.
I just go right down the street.
And it was just kicking my ass from day one.
Just...
It's crushing me.
I could barely hang.
I leave there and I'm too tired to get in the shower.
I'm just like dead.
bryan callen
Are you good with the cold, Eddie?
Can you handle the cold better than you can handle the heat?
eddie bravo
Yeah, but I want to kill two birds with one stone.
I want to stick it out and I want to be able to...
I mean, there's old ladies that do it, you know what I mean?
And they're fine.
brendan schaub
And just holding your arms up in all these poses.
unidentified
Oh, I agree.
eddie bravo
No wonder yoga chicks have big shoulders and triceps.
brendan schaub
Or sexy.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
All those poses, they look so easy in a picture.
They look like, oh, they're doing Tai Chi.
Try holding your hands up for an hour.
brendan schaub
Try doing the 90-minute class.
That should attest your willpower.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
An hour is enough for me.
joe rogan
I do 90 minutes every week sometimes.
I've done it three times in a week.
But doing it at least once a week.
Sometimes I do.
There's a 70-minute class that they do there sometimes.
It's really good because they don't talk at all.
It's just like, you know, it's for people that already know the positions.
brendan schaub
She just tells you what to do with the positions.
unidentified
Oh, you just go through that at your pace?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You know, she says, like, begin and end.
She says what the position is.
unidentified
Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan
But none of that.
Explaining what to do while it's going on.
And there's a little, there's, like, some yoga places, not the one that I go to, but I've been to some when they start talking about, like, the mystical properties of this position.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So have I. This is good for the ascending colon.
I like that shit.
Bitch, you know you didn't go to medical school.
You don't know what that's doing to your colon.
bryan callen
I love it too.
Dude, I used to take classes down in Venice and there would be some awesome, awesome, like good-looking dude who would come in in beads and a great body.
He was a yogi.
There's one guy, I can't remember his name.
He was the greatest.
He would teach and the girls all loved him and he would adjust you.
And I swear to God, you'd get into a position and he would say, and let's not fight this.
Let's just have our own relationship with our own God.
And there it is.
I love that.
Feel how much energy it does take to reach to the back of the room.
And I'm in.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would start singing.
bryan callen
And he had a great voice, and I'd be like, I was like, I'm resonating with his voice.
brendan schaub
I dig that.
bryan callen
I give myself over.
brendan schaub
Dude, last one I was at, I haven't been back since, I was at this hot yoga, I don't say where, it was a 90 minute class, and there were, for whatever reason, that day, that morning, there was just hot chicks everywhere.
And it was this dude comes in, and the girl next to me goes, he's strict, he's known for being strict.
I'm like, well, it's yoga, so let's relax.
We go in there, dude, 10 minutes into it, Calls me out.
Brendan, eyes up front.
Let's not gawk.
Let's not gawk.
unidentified
Oh, no!
brendan schaub
Swear to God.
joe rogan
Let's not gawk?
brendan schaub
No, I'm balls deep in trying to get my hamstring on.
joe rogan
So it was unwarranted?
brendan schaub
Yeah, 100%.
bryan callen
Wow.
brendan schaub
And it was super embarrassing.
I was like, Hey, man.
bryan callen
Hey, you fuck.
brendan schaub
I know.
bryan callen
I'll punch that y'all in his face.
brendan schaub
Because I was switching legs and I didn't know what everyone else, what we were doing.
I was so into it.
And so I looked around to see what they were doing.
He's like, eyes up front.
Brendan, eyes up front.
Let's not gawk.
joe rogan
Let's not gawk.
bryan callen
That would make me so mad because I would be gawking.
joe rogan
What a shitty thing to say if you weren't actually doing that.
Do you think he's just hating?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure what's going on.
I haven't been back.
It kind of hurt my feelings.
bryan callen
That's embarrassing.
joe rogan
Well, there was a guy that used to teach yoga at my place, and he was like real sort of hardcore, like a very intense dude.
And he would teach it.
The class had a totally different vibe.
I got along good with him, but his vibe was different.
His vibe was like, you're going to have to tough this out.
brendan schaub
It was military style, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a little weird.
Yeah, come on, man.
We're just stretching.
brendan schaub
That's how this guy was.
joe rogan
I want to calm down.
I don't want to be aggressive.
brendan schaub
Right?
And this guy was saying, he goes, you can only get water when I tell you to get water.
And he goes, once that door shuts, no one can leave.
joe rogan
So go now.
Yeah, this guy did that, too.
brendan schaub
It's fucking yoga.
bryan callen
I don't like that.
There's a guy, Brian Kest, who is one of the more famous guys.
He was really smart about it because he opened up his school in Los Angeles.
He studied for many years.
And he said, oh, no, all are welcome and there's no money.
And people are like, what?
And he goes, just donation if you want.
No big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, the place I used to go to had that.
bryan callen
Yeah, and you just donate, but he made millions.
joe rogan
Did he make bank?
bryan callen
Because what happens is people go all the time, and they're like...
brendan schaub
They feel good.
bryan callen
Yeah, you're not even asking for money.
The class is open to everyone.
First come, first serve.
Totally democratic.
And what you do is people don't like taking shit for free, most people.
Most people are like, you know what?
I'm going to give you a hundred fucking bucks today.
Because I really appreciate- I would do that.
I give to NPR because I listen for free all the time.
So whenever they have their drives, I give it to them.
brendan schaub
Eddie, where are you getting news from?
Are you kidding me?
unidentified
Hey, how about- Wait a minute.
joe rogan
How about the fights?
unidentified
We're two hours deep.
brendan schaub
I was going to say that, but the Bikram yoga guy got fucked, right?
Wasn't he trying to rub his bone around girls and stuff?
joe rogan
Well, it was a lot of that, yeah, apparently.
Bikram, Bikram.
bryan callen
He also walked around in a Rolls Royce and he had a speed on.
I mean, I've been to his main college.
joe rogan
They interviewed him.
They asked him about it.
He says, lies, lies, lies.
And then he said, women will pay one million dollars for one drop of my sperm.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
And the lady was like, what?
He goes, one drop of my sperm.
One million dollars.
brendan schaub
Damn.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
And he was just saying that they were liars and that's all nonsense.
bryan callen
He was a badass.
His wife was high as shit.
He drove around in a Rolls Royce.
He made millions of dollars.
He was the one who came up with hotbox yoga.
Bikram yoga, right?
joe rogan
Well, not really.
Apparently they had been doing that even in the same positions for the longest time.
bryan callen
Well, India is so hot anyway.
joe rogan
He promoted it in the United States in a big way.
bryan callen
He used to be a bodybuilder.
He used to lift weights.
joe rogan
He was jacked.
There's pictures of him back when he was young.
He was jacked.
bryan callen
Awesome.
joe rogan
He yells at you.
bryan callen
He would yell at you.
joe rogan
He's great.
He's slinging dick and giving out fucking back massages.
bryan callen
Look at that.
joe rogan
Everybody's in there.
bryan callen
In a Speedo.
joe rogan
The greatest.
He's a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
He's wearing that to scare the guys away.
You know what I mean?
Let me scare the dudes away.
joe rogan
I used to take classes all the time.
It's so hot in there, man.
You want to wear something like that.
You don't want to have anything on.
It's so hot.
I wear little shorts.
Little short shorts.
They're like Primal Swolgers shorts.
That's what I wear in my yoga class.
bryan callen
I like to wear a Zumba.
eddie bravo
I just wear board shorts and a Roots of Fight tank top.
joe rogan
I don't wear a shirt.
bryan callen
No way.
joe rogan
It's too hot.
It's too hot.
bryan callen
I'll come do one with you.
unidentified
I love that.
joe rogan
No one in my class wears a shirt.
Chicks have to though.
They have to wear more.
Poor girls.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But yeah, they're all in bikinis and shit.
bryan callen
Do you do the Bikram poses?
joe rogan
Do the whole deal, man.
Do the whole deal.
bryan callen
It's no joke.
It's not easy.
An hour and a half will get to you.
joe rogan
You gotta hydrate.
eddie bravo
That's a big thing.
joe rogan
You gotta hydrate in the morning.
When I get up in the morning, as soon as I get up, I start drinking water.
It's big.
Gotta drink a lot of water before I get there.
I take a bunch of shroom tech, eat some fruit.
eddie bravo
I just roll out of bed at 10-15 and just get in my car.
joe rogan
I sweat all day.
That's why you quit in 30 minutes.
You gotta prepare for that shit.
It's an ordeal.
It's a fucking serious ordeal.
eddie bravo
Sitting in them squats?
joe rogan
But I'll tell you what, man, it's done wonders for my back, wonders for my flexibility, wonders for my joints, like joint pain.
It's the shit.
And for your brain, too, man.
eddie bravo
And at our age, we have no choice.
We have no choice.
You have to do yoga.
brendan schaub
Unless you want to be that guy that's 75 and can walk on his hands.
bryan callen
Check out Iyengar.
eddie bravo
You don't want to be that 75-year-old that can barely get to the TV. You ever seen Iyengar?
bryan callen
Iyengar yoga is no joke.
Bring up Iyengar.
Take a look at what he's doing at 70. Take a look at this motherfucker.
joe rogan
How do you say his name?
bryan callen
Iyengar.
Iyengar is...
I-A-Y... Iyengar.
A-N-G-A-R. I-Y-E-N-G-A-R. He's no fucking joke, dude.
joe rogan
Is he your boyfriend?
Is he your new boyfriend?
bryan callen
No, this motherfucker does.
joe rogan
Isn't he your new boyfriend?
bryan callen
No, he's older!
Yes.
But his students...
That's homophobic.
joe rogan
This show is now homophobic.
Congratulations.
What have you done to us?
bryan callen
Let's take a look at this motherfucker, what he did when he was younger.
The poses he would hold at 75. I'm trying to find that guy.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bryan callen
It's stupid.
joe rogan
And how old is he now?
Is he dead?
bryan callen
Old, but...
joe rogan
No, come on.
brendan schaub
Powerful dad bod.
Fuck you, Brad.
bryan callen
Not a great bod.
joe rogan
That guy's sexy as fuck.
bryan callen
But his buddies, his buddies are fucking...
joe rogan
If you were on ecstasy, you'd let him just rub all over you.
bryan callen
Look at him, but he would do some crazy shit, dude.
brendan schaub
This fool's gut and tits.
joe rogan
This is the guy you're telling me is so impressive?
brendan schaub
Brian was so high on this guy.
joe rogan
I'll tell you right now.
bryan callen
Watch this, though.
joe rogan
I'll tell you right now, Brian, this is not impressive.
bryan callen
Watch this guy.
brendan schaub
That flat ass ain't impressive.
bryan callen
No, no, watch the shit he does.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm watching.
bryan callen
When he was really old, he was doing...
Where's his butt, bro?
joe rogan
You gotta see him do the scorpion pose.
brendan schaub
Where's that?
Look at that ass!
bryan callen
That's the worst body I've ever seen.
joe rogan
Look at his feet!
bryan callen
It's the worst body I've ever seen.
joe rogan
Where's his butt, bro?
bryan callen
Dude, this is 76 before people really lifted weights.
brendan schaub
This motherfucker's doing basic yoga!
My yoga teacher would fuck this guy into the ground stretching.
joe rogan
Okay, I don't think you were correct.
Because that right there is pretty god damn impressive.
bryan callen
That's pretty good.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
bryan callen
He does way more crazy shit.
brendan schaub
Look at his tits hanging to the sides.
joe rogan
See, the thing about this guy, though, is he's built like a popsicle stick.
And when you're built like a popsicle stick, you can put your body into weird positions.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't have any muscle to stop it.
Like, there's certain poses, you know this one?
Where you go under the arms and you- I can't do it.
Exactly.
It's not happening.
It's not happening.
There's too much meat involved.
brendan schaub
See, I keep it right here, Joe.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I keep it right here.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
I try it, though, because even in trying it, you're getting to stretch, but I don't think there's enough physical real estate in my troll-sized arms to fit in there.
brendan schaub
That's all I got.
bryan callen
We gotta see him do the scorpion poses and shit.
He was the guy who would do...
brendan schaub
Well, I think we found our new movement, Coach.
joe rogan
Well, women and people with long arms can definitely get their arms in better positions like that because they have more to work with.
But that also comes up in jiu-jitsu, right?
In jiu-jitsu, like, the ability to get darces and...
Oh, Jesus.
Eddie can do that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Eddie, I think Eddie can do this shit.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you can do that.
unidentified
Yeah, you can, Eddie.
No, I can't.
eddie bravo
I can't put my leg behind my head like that.
bryan callen
Look at this shit.
joe rogan
Just dudes who can triangle themselves like that.
brendan schaub
It's not that freaky.
joe rogan
That's pretty freaky.
bryan callen
He's old, bro.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
That's freaky.
That guy's old as fuck.
You know why he's doing this?
Because he's thinking about how much dick he's going to swing after this video's done.
bryan callen
Dude, he was doing this shit when he was 70. He's getting warmed up.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm going to fuck like this.
Let me show you.
I get two feet on the ground and up like my dick is my legs.
brendan schaub
That's how I'm fucking.
bryan callen
I think he's still alive, but at 75, he was doing scorpion pose.
He was on his elbows like this.
joe rogan
Eat my ass pose.
See?
unidentified
Oh, look at his ass.
joe rogan
I double triangle suck my cock.
brendan schaub
Kellen, he is not alive, bro.
bryan callen
Dude, he's never gonna die.
brendan schaub
This is in 76. He's immortal.
joe rogan
He's holding his weight.
He's 100 years old here.
bryan callen
His ass has deteriorated.
He's 30 years old in this video.
brendan schaub
His ass going inward.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
bryan callen
He's 30 years old in this video.
joe rogan
Dude, look at this fucking spinal flexibility, though.
That is incredible.
bryan callen
Yeah, don't fuck with Iyengar.
What'd I just say?
joe rogan
That is incredible.
bryan callen
He honeydicked you into thinking it was no big deal.
joe rogan
This is gobble my own cock.
bryan callen
I can fit him in a suitcase right there.
I can fit him in a tote right now.
joe rogan
Gobble, gobble, gobble.
bryan callen
I can bring him in a tote and be like, I brought my fucking yoga instructor, everybody.
joe rogan
Gobble from here.
unidentified
Gobble from here.
And I lick my toes as well for extra stimulation.
bryan callen
Extra stimulation.
joe rogan
Back to center gobble.
bryan callen
The Chinese say you're as old as your spine.
joe rogan
This is how I gobble from my backside.
Notice not a lot of spinal movement.
Just gobble.
bryan callen
Look at that.
He's talking.
By the way, talking to you the whole time.
unidentified
Teaching you the whole fucking time.
joe rogan
This is what I'm thinking of.
Coming in my own mouth.
Maybe.
Not sure.
Not today.
Today you don't deserve it.
Today's stretch.
Fear the burn.
bryan callen
Aw, one finger on his fucking toe, bros!
joe rogan
Okay.
This is not that impressive, Brian.
brendan schaub
Fuck this guy.
joe rogan
You know what you rarely see, though?
unidentified
That's amazing.
joe rogan
You rarely see people that are built, like jacked people, that are really good at yoga.
bryan callen
There are a couple guys.
joe rogan
I want to see someone.
unidentified
Shoemaker.
joe rogan
I mean, I know that Hickson, when he was young, was pretty fucking fit.
Not like that, though.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
He was 190, 195. But he was way better at yoga than most people know.
Yes.
Like, Hickson did amazing shit.
He used to be able to stand in a full split on a balancing bar with his leg totally straight up in the air.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
On a balancing bar.
There's videos of him doing it in Santa Monica.
He's standing on a balancing bar with one leg, grabs his other foot, and extends it over his fucking head.
bryan callen
Hickson was a freak.
A younger American student.
Some of those American students got muscular.
Some of those American students, like this guy Shoemaker, who I took a class from, holy shit, built like a brick.
brendan schaub
Who's dominating the yoga game now?
Is there like one dude just killing the game like my boy Bikram?
joe rogan
There's still a bunch of Bikram Studios.
They're all over the place.
But I gotta think that that guy being so crazy and all the crazy stuff that he gets in trouble with and all the assault allegations, whether or not they're true.
You know the other thing that he did?
You know the tax evasion thing?
Where they found a bunch of, like a warehouse filled with Ferraris and B- At least and shit.
And he said that he was opening up a school for children to teach them auto repair.
So that's why, I mean, come on, bro.
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
He's awesome.
unidentified
He's amazing.
joe rogan
And he's a yoga guy.
Like, everything's so fucked up about it.
unidentified
Like, he's supposed to be peace and love and prosperity and it's important to spirituality, not the money.
joe rogan
No, fuck that.
unidentified
He's like, multi-millionaire teaching stretching.
bryan callen
It's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, now I think he just stays in India now.
He says, fuck America.
brendan schaub
Is there anyone else killing the game like that?
Not really.
joe rogan
No, not that I think of.
bryan callen
Shiva Ray, Max Strom.
There are a lot of guys who have a really great reputation who have a lot of students.
eddie bravo
There was an older lady that taught at Bikram that was pretty famous.
Danny knows her.
brendan schaub
She went to do her own thing?
eddie bravo
She's like 80 and she's in tremendous shape.
joe rogan
Oh, isn't she the lady that runs the place Golden Bridge or something like that in LA? Yes.
She's like a Kundalini master, right?
Yes, that's her.
Kundalini.
Kundalini is the shit that the people who do it, and even Denny says, you can have psychedelic experiences on it.
That if you do it and you get into a certain state where you do the yoga over and over again to enough, you can actually stimulate that part in your brain that produces DMT. I'm just trying to get a stretch, man.
Eddie, your friend, the lady that you went to Egypt with, wasn't she able to do that?
She was able to do that, right?
She would tell you she'd have psychedelic experiences.
So that's two people that we know.
unidentified
She would headbang.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
She would headbang at four in the morning to shake up the, I don't know, maybe the DMT? I don't know.
brendan schaub
She sounds stable.
eddie bravo
But she wanted to shake up.
unidentified
Four in the morning, she'd be headbanging.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I know, it's funny, right?
eddie bravo
She was into it.
joe rogan
Well, but the thing is, like, your brain does produce that shit.
And so these people that say they know how to do it, it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Like, it might be possible for you to figure out a way to do it.
I've never done it.
I've only done it through the drug itself.
But there's gotta be a way to get your brain to do it.
bryan callen
I had a, I've, well, it sounds, I don't even know how to explain this, but I swear to God, like, there was a period of time when I was practicing Taekwondo so much, and I was like, you know how you get to a point where you practice enough where you can think your kick out?
I know you're going to laugh at this.
I swear to God.
brendan schaub
If you're going to tell me you started releasing DMT throwing real kicks.
bryan callen
before you say anything before you say anything I'm going to tell you whatever you're saying I'm going to have a problem with I knew that I knew that so I'm going deep and I'm committed I didn't know whether you were saying it or not you left off you left off at when I used to practice taekwondo so much I'm going deep, but I think the way I was stretching my body opened up something where I went, I kicked, and I swear to God, it's going to sound weird, but from that point on, I got way neater with the way I kept my room and the way I kept my car, and it made sense to me.
Something aligned.
And there was like a...
eddie bravo
That's a lot of Taekwondo right there.
bryan callen
This sounds like such a drug-induced thing, but something happened there.
And then I saw God.
brendan schaub
I thought you were going to say that you were throwing so many kicks at your arm, you were just punching way harder, like that movie Rookie of the Year.
bryan callen
Well, I felled a tree.
I felled a tree.
A tree was in the way, and I side-kicked a tree over.
joe rogan
I don't see any stevia, my man.
bryan callen
A giant oak.
brendan schaub
No Steve?
All right.
All right.
We'll do it dry today.
We'll do it dry.
Fuck it.
We'll do it dry.
bryan callen
Hey man, are we gonna talk about the fights, guys?
joe rogan
What fights?
bryan callen
The fuck?
unidentified
Enough about Kundalini and Iyengar.
eddie bravo
I was looking forward to seeing Hickson do yoga.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's watch that.
Brock Lesnar forms the UFC of retirement from MMA. Remove from drug testing pull.
That's what I would do too if I wanted to take drugs.
Just saying.
bryan callen
He looks good though.
joe rogan
If I wanted...
If I wanted to get super jacked again, I'm like, listen.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what you should do.
joe rogan
I'll come back.
Someday.
Someday we'll work out a deal.
But for now, I'm going to toss bitches on their head.
I like to do that when I weigh about 340. For real.
bryan callen
Well, Brendan and I were talking about how I like TRT for people like Anderson Silva.
I want Anderson to take testosterone and whatever it takes because I want to see the old Anderson.
brendan schaub
You don't like the dad bod?
bryan callen
No, and I'm serious.
For me, a great like that, who's obviously getting older, I want to see him fight at the best he can.
I miss his incredible skill set.
And by the way, if he's got the mind, he understands fighting on such a deep level, his body might just not be responding as fast as his mind wants to.
I want to catch his body up to his mind.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's because you're supposed to end your career when your body doesn't react the same.
Look, you can make an argument for the Vitor Belfort School of MMA. You know, because that's what you get.
You get the old veteran with the young body.
Yeah, I'm talking about when Brian...
Vitor rather was at the peak of his like most latest cycle right when he knocked out Luke Rockhold when he fucked up Michael Bisping dude when he knocked out Dan Henderson the first round he was a goddamn force of science yeah, and that's what he was he was unbelievable training a lifetime of skill all that stuff is important first right a lifetime of skill a lifetime of technique ridiculous ferocious warrior spirit right he's motherfucking Vitor Belfort then you add in Synthetic
testosterone, and you get a monster.
That's what you got.
I'm telling you, that guy, to this day, that period, I think is one of the scariest fighters that has ever fought in the sport.
I think TRT Vitor is one of the fucking scariest guys that ever did MMA. Definitely best 185 on planet Earth at the time.
He was for a while, man.
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
He was terrifying.
Dude, he was fearless.
brendan schaub
He destroyed Rockhold.
joe rogan
We all kicked him in the fucking head.
We all kicked both of them.
He threw two wheel kicks in his whole career.
One of them he missed with Luke Rockhold, the other one he hit him in the face.
We never saw that from him before.
He threw some kicks, he threw some knees, but he was more of a boxing-style fighter.
brendan schaub
And then fucked up Bisping's eye with a kick.
joe rogan
Yeah, a head kick.
brendan schaub
Bisping can never be the same.
joe rogan
Well, Bisping's having some issues before that as well, but that definitely didn't help.
brendan schaub
That eye doesn't help anybody.
joe rogan
No, it didn't help.
Look, Vitor was a monster, man.
When he destroyed Henderson.
brendan schaub
Look at him now, like his last fight, even with Weidman.
He's just not the same animal.
joe rogan
He's going to fight Kelvin.
brendan schaub
Kelvin Gaslam in Brazil.
joe rogan
Yeah, what do you think about that?
Why do you think being in Brazil is a big deal?
bryan callen
I can get some help to regulate his body back to where it was.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
bryan callen
Because when you get all testosterone, your body starts producing estrogen and all that, and you can't get it back.
eddie bravo
If SADA goes to Brazil, right?
joe rogan
They're going to go to Brazil, for sure.
brendan schaub
They should go to Brazil, yeah.
joe rogan
They just won't go a lot.
brendan schaub
They won't be there all the time.
And with Jose Aldo, when they tried testing him, they made the guy, he had to stay at customs.
They wouldn't let him leave.
It was super weird.
joe rogan
Well, tell the whole story.
Do you know the whole story?
brendan schaub
You got this.
joe rogan
The first time they came, he wouldn't do it.
He wouldn't take the test because he said he didn't know the guy.
But apparently the way it happens, like, you know, I've talked to people that have been tested.
They're like, it's super shady.
They come up to you.
They'll take you into a room.
They'll test you.
It's not sterile.
They're just like, we want to, you know, we want to test you right now.
They'll watch you when you go to the bathroom.
Tim Kennedy said they had to watch him take a shower.
They'd look at him.
Like, you get home from training, and they're like, we want to test you.
Can I take a shower?
I can't take my eyes off you.
brendan schaub
They're that way for a reason, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's because people are cheating.
So anyway, the Aldo guy, they're trying to deport him.
They're trying to kick him out of Brazil.
They're literally trying to get him out of there.
They're trying to say, you don't have any authority to test us.
You're not even from this country.
They're throwing the kitchen sink at him.
Then, finally, the next day, they get him to test.
He gives him a test, and then he trips and spills it.
bryan callen
Who does it?
joe rogan
Aldo?
bryan callen
It's fantastic.
joe rogan
It's like, what?
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
And then, so he has to give him another one.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Interesting.
eddie bravo
And then what happened?
joe rogan
It doesn't mean anything.
He didn't fail.
It doesn't mean anything, but it's all, like, these guys, like, Vanderlei runs away from the guy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They come to his gym, "Boogoo, doogoo!" "Pioom!" Sure.
You know?
Which is the most...
He got fucked more than anybody ever in the history of that.
unidentified
Ever.
joe rogan
Because they banned him for life, which is insane.
bryan callen
It's insane.
joe rogan
100% insane.
eddie bravo
Did they reverse that?
joe rogan
Nope.
Well, they did.
They made it unconstitutional or whatever the fuck they did.
They said it was illegal, but they haven't reinstated him.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
But did you see they're about to give Cyborg exemption?
joe rogan
Did you see that?
They figured out whatever it is that she has, whatever personal medical issue that she has, and that this drug does help that personal medical issue.
And since it's not necessarily a performance-enhancing drug, What it is, it's a diuretic.
It also helps when women start experiencing effects from androgens.
It mitigates some of the negative effects of androgens.
There's a bunch of different properties that these different diuretics have.
And whatever her condition is, apparently they're examining a testosterone therapeutic use exemption.
brendan schaub
And it looks like she won't be suspended as long.
joe rogan
Which exonerates her.
And all of us Who said that she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing.
But we don't know what the reasons why she was doing it in the first place are, but we know that...
brendan schaub
In her background, though, it's not crazy to assume other things.
But that Duran to me, as soon as she won, she's like, oh, everything's all good.
Like, how do you...
Cyborg, she's ready to go.
My fucking hand hurts.
I'm down a little while.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
You're talking about a 46-time world Muay Thai champion, right?
A 46-0 in Muay Thai, 10-time world Muay Thai champion.
And you bring up Cyborg, and she's like, Jesus, my hand is killing me.
eddie bravo
Before that, she was all good.
brendan schaub
She's like, world champion, you're going to fight Cyborg.
eddie bravo
She's not afraid of Cyborg.
unidentified
You think she's afraid of Cyborg?
joe rogan
No, no.
eddie bravo
She's not afraid of Cyborg.
joe rogan
No, but you can't say that right after a fight.
I don't think she's afraid of anybody.
unidentified
Maybe that's the truth.
eddie bravo
Maybe her hand was broken.
unidentified
She's such a savage.
I'm sure it is the truth.
eddie bravo
I'm going to fight with her.
I'm going to hit the broken hand, then I'm going to fix it out.
brendan schaub
She could go in there with an AK-47 and Cyborg would knock her face off.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
Say that again?
bryan callen
It's not.
eddie bravo
Say that again?
brendan schaub
Cyborg's going to destroy her.
eddie bravo
Isn't she a 10-time Muay Thai champion?
joe rogan
I do not care.
brendan schaub
I do not care.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter?
It does matter.
Well, you saw what Cyborg fought.
Jorina Barge, right?
Jorina Barge, you know, won the fight.
Cyborg was very brave for taking that fight.
brendan schaub
She landed some huge shots.
joe rogan
She did.
brendan schaub
But that's also straight kickbox.
joe rogan
It's also big gloves, right?
brendan schaub
Yes.
And Cyborg, people forget how strong she is, how good she is on the ground, and the way she hits.
Those kicks aren't going to do shit.
Enjoy that, Duranomy.
bryan callen
Damn, Duranomy was impressive.
brendan schaub
I just feel like that's...
eddie bravo
Damn, you're that sure?
brendan schaub
I'm 100%...
What?
joe rogan
Cut to Brennan Shaw's Kiss of Death.
eddie bravo
She's the champion!
brendan schaub
Cut to Holly Bronda.
joe rogan
Because Eddie Alvarez is a big problem for Connor.
You didn't say that, did you?
brendan schaub
I did say that.
eddie bravo
Cut to Connor hasn't sold me yet.
brendan schaub
Who's he fought?
eddie bravo
Who's he fought?
joe rogan
You guys see the fucking Connor Mayweather thing?
brendan schaub
It's getting close.
joe rogan
They're saying that it's like literally agreed upon.
bryan callen
Amazing.
joe rogan
So what do you think's gonna happen?
Do you think that he's gonna run into an issue with the UFC? Or do you think he's right about the Ali Act?
brendan schaub
I don't know, but I think...
joe rogan
Have you looked at it?
brendan schaub
I have looked at it.
What I think is going to happen is I think Dana...
There's no way Dana would let this happen without being part of it.
I think they come to agreement with the UFC and Dana's part of it.
And it happens.
Here's a question for you, Joe.
Who's going to commentate it?
It would be a boxing match.
joe rogan
It would be a boxing match.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you need someone who's knowledgeable on Conor McGregor.
You can't have three boxers.
joe rogan
No, it would be way, way better if they did it than if the UFC commentators did it.
unidentified
No, you have to have both.
brendan schaub
I think you have to have one balls-deep boxing expert and one MMA expert.
bryan callen
Why, though?
joe rogan
Because it's not an MMA fight.
brendan schaub
I know, but Conor comes from that background.
They can give you the history of Conor and all that stuff.
bryan callen
But the sport is boxing, so I feel like you could have somebody who just brush up on that, right?
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
I'd rather have someone who represents us.
Would you not do it, Joe?
joe rogan
No, I don't want to do that.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
I want to watch it with you guys.
I want to get drunk.
brendan schaub
That's fair.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
Listen, if that's happening, we're getting hammered and we're going to fucking broadcast it.
brendan schaub
For the biggest companion of all time.
joe rogan
I'd rather do that than be there live.
I swear to God I would.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
I tell everybody, I'm like, I love commentating for the UFC, but I fucked up when I started doing the Fight Companion.
Because the Fight Companion is epic.
It's so much more fun when we get fucked up and we're laughing and howling at each other.
brendan schaub
There's a knockout.
joe rogan
And we're watching the fight together.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, but it's better.
It is better.
Like, being there live is fucking insane.
And I enjoyed this past weekend, but I would have definitely enjoyed it more if you guys were there.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And if there were better fights.
joe rogan
What the US should do is we should fucking...
We should make some sort of a deal where, like, we do it like this.
Like, let those other guys take over the commentary, and we'll just have this, like...
We'll have, like, two sound things you can choose.
You can choose A or B. Yeah, it's Spanish.
brendan schaub
Instead it's just companion.
Companion button.
bryan callen
Have a Spanish interpreter?
joe rogan
Listen, man, you get to see people chill and have fun.
eddie bravo
You don't even need a companion button.
You just flip on the internet.
joe rogan
It's too hard to sync.
eddie bravo
Oh, the sync.
joe rogan
Syncing is annoying.
Syncing is annoying.
That should be like the Spanish channel.
It should be like a little button you press.
brendan schaub
It's an option.
joe rogan
Yeah, like you get closed captions.
You know when you get closed captions?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
This should be a fight companion button.
eddie bravo
You just put it on mute.
But I don't want it on mute.
joe rogan
I want to hear the slap of the kicks.
I want to hear dudes move around.
I want us to hear it.
I want us to be in here.
See, what we're missing is not that there's anything wrong with the commentary.
The commentary is great, but we can't really broadcast the commentary because it's not our product, right?
But if we were sitting here, we were watching it, and we had a raw feed where there was no commentary, just slaps and punches and kicks.
And we would also have our own take on what the fuck is happening rather than the commentator's take.
And if we're wrong, it'd be even more hilarious.
Because four drunk stone dudes talking shit while they're making each other laugh.
eddie bravo
What if they offered you a deal, but they said no weed?
You can't smoke weed.
joe rogan
He would say, okay, that doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's legal.
Like, marijuana is legal in California.
We're adults.
We pay taxes.
Just for weed itself, I'd have to stand up for weed.
You know, that's like if somebody said, you could do your stand-up, but you can't swear.
I'd be like, because of who?
Like, it's not hurting anybody if I swear.
It's not hurting anybody if I smoke weed.
No, I'm not gonna agree to that.
That's stupid.
Because I'm in a position where I don't have to agree to stupid shit.
That's a stupid thing to agree to.
Imagine you're working with someone, you're working with someone, they're like, I really like you, Brian, but I want you only wearing yellow.
Okay, you can work with me, but only wear yellow.
Do you understand?
Yellow is our color.
It's how we want to be represented.
When we're giving you ones and zeros, we want you to dress with appropriate colors.
brendan schaub
That is fucking crazy.
joe rogan
So stupid.
Can't smoke weed.
Fuck you.
What do you want, a shitty show?
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
What do you want, a less real show?
bryan callen
We could sponsor, get sponsored by certain weed companies.
joe rogan
Maybe no alcohol for Eddie.
bryan callen
Sponsored by certain wine chateaus.
brendan schaub
Bypass on the alcohol for Eddie.
joe rogan
Perhaps a wine chateau.
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
The alcohol.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't necessarily need alcohol all the time, but every now and then we go off the rails.
For the main event.
eddie bravo
For the main event.
A couple shots.
brendan schaub
That's a good plan.
bryan callen
A couple shots.
joe rogan
What we're going to have to do is on the next studio I build, I'm going to have a button.
Where we're talking over each other button.
So a button I can press.
We don't have to say it, but we'll see flames all around us.
Like, oh, it's going bad.
We have videos behind us that show flames.
Okay, we're there, we're there, we're there.
Just to let us know.
eddie bravo
How about a button?
Everyone has a button.
When they're talking, they hold their button, and then when they're done talking, boom.
brendan schaub
We're all walkie-talkie.
bryan callen
Electric shock.
eddie bravo
That would be weird.
You see who's live.
There's a light.
joe rogan
Dude, that would be so weird.
eddie bravo
You can't get talked over.
joe rogan
They do have these things, these arms that we have, that have a light on it when it goes live.
That I didn't think would look good, but now I decided I'm a dork.
I want a little light on these things that light up when we're on the air.
unidentified
That's kind of cool.
brendan schaub
Is it a green light?
joe rogan
No, it's red, bro.
Like the one on the air.
bryan callen
Like Brian Seacrest has.
eddie bravo
No, it means fire, bro.
brendan schaub
I see ya.
joe rogan
Brian Seacrest has one of those?
Do you think he wears makeup before he does radio?
100%.
Do you think his shirt has rips in it?
Two?
In his pants?
Like everything.
I fought that Puma P45 to kill those alpacas.
bryan callen
I spent two fucking weeks with that guy.
joe rogan
Did you fuck him?
brendan schaub
Did you guys suck each other's dick?
bryan callen
He's a small guy.
He's about 140 maybe.
I enjoyed towering over him.
I don't know what you're talking about.
We got drunk in his study.
We were reading.
unidentified
Was he cool?
brendan schaub
Was he like a guy's guy?
Or were you guys jacking each other up?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
joe rogan
He's a friendly guy.
I've done his show before.
bryan callen
I said something to the effect of he did well this year.
He made $13 million that year.
I go, things went well.
He goes, having a lot of fun.
Having a lot of fun.
brendan schaub
He's like, he produced the Kardashians.
He's involved with all that shit.
joe rogan
He's a beast.
He's getting.
unidentified
Paid.
brendan schaub
Stupid Paid.
unidentified
Paid.
bryan callen
I think he's originally from Finland or somewhere.
He's originally not American.
joe rogan
Fucking foreigners.
brendan schaub
I think.
joe rogan
Stealing all our fucking factory jobs.
brendan schaub
Trump for president.
bryan callen
I think he's Swedish.
Is he from somewhere else?
brendan schaub
Two-term Trump.
joe rogan
Two-term Trump.
bryan callen
I'm wrong.
brendan schaub
He's killing the game.
On American Idol, there's two hosts, and the one guy's like, fuck it, this isn't going anywhere, and Seacrest stayed with it.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So he's from Georgia, so Brian just made that up?
bryan callen
But the Swedish parts are...
unidentified
Yeah, Swedish.
bryan callen
There's a Swedish section.
joe rogan
Now, would you say you're completely full of shit, or just half the time?
bryan callen
Yeah, there's Little Sweden and Jordan.
He's from Little Sweden and Jordan.
joe rogan
Is Jennifer Lopez still on one of those shows?
brendan schaub
American Idol's no longer.
unidentified
No?
bryan callen
Jennifer Lopez is doing a cop show?
joe rogan
American Idol's no longer?
brendan schaub
No.
I think they're bringing it back, but it's been off for a couple seasons.
joe rogan
Oh, Jennifer Lopez is doing that show with...
bryan callen
With Ray Liotta.
joe rogan
Isn't Steve Scharippa on that show?
That's the Ray Liotta.
unidentified
Dude, did you see J-Lo at the Grammys?
God...
brendan schaub
Damn, she is fine.
bryan callen
She's 45. She gets better and better, man.
joe rogan
I think she's older than that.
brendan schaub
I think she's 50 now.
Late 40s.
bryan callen
She and Rose McGowan are my two favorites as far as physically looking.
brendan schaub
Yeah, don't ever compare those two.
joe rogan
Seems weird.
unidentified
J-Lo's so good looking.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Rose McGowan is not a basic white girl.
brendan schaub
Her face is very pretty.
joe rogan
I did something with her back in the day.
I did this thing for VH1 where I played a perverted fashion photographer that was just in it to get laid.
And I had a couple scenes with her.
She's cool as fuck.
And she's very pretty.
Her face is gorgeous.
Her body is gorgeous.
eddie bravo
Marilyn Manson was getting that.
brendan schaub
That's right!
joe rogan
We did this thing.
It was 1996, I think it was.
Somewhere along the way.
brendan schaub
97. We're talking about the girl from The Notebook?
bryan callen
Mm-hmm.
Rose McGowan!
brendan schaub
You're talking about the chick with the big eyes.
unidentified
What was she in?
eddie bravo
What was Rose McGowan?
joe rogan
That's me naked.
That's my ass.
Oh shit!
brendan schaub
You got the dick hanging out the front?
joe rogan
Yeah, my dick was showing.
Damn, she is gorgeous.
That's not Rose McGowan though.
I said to this girl, do you have any problems with nudity?
That's Rose McGowan.
You gotta see her in real life, dude.
She's beautiful, man.
bryan callen
Bad shot.
joe rogan
Look at Brian!
Look at him!
Brian!
unidentified
Brian!
Look at him!
bryan callen
This is me!
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Damn, you had your dick hanging out the front of me?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
I had to show her my dick because the idea was I had to say, do you have any problems with nudity?
And she said, no.
Cut to me naked taking a picture.
It was me just being a crazy person that was like really into photography.
brendan schaub
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
I was just trying to get laid.
I didn't know anything about photography.
That was like the joke.
It was made by a friend of mine who was one of the writers on his radio.
unidentified
That's funny.
bryan callen
How's Paul Simms?
Do you ever keep in touch with him?
joe rogan
Actually, I run into him or talk to him very rarely.
bryan callen
What's he up to?
joe rogan
Last time I talked to him was when Phil Hartman got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
We went down there to be there for it.
There was like a whole celebration with a bunch of Phil Hartman fans.
Paul was working on a bunch of different shows.
He's always working on different things.
I think he did Boardwalk Empire for a while.
brendan schaub
He did Atlanta, too.
unidentified
What else did he do?
brendan schaub
Oh, that show's so good.
bryan callen
He's so awesome.
Paul's so smart, man.
joe rogan
He's one of the most...
Unusually talented people I ever met.
He's a writer?
Incredible writer.
Hilarious, but just super smart.
brendan schaub
Cool as fuck.
bryan callen
News radio.
Did you ever see news radio?
The show he used to be on?
One of the greatest sitcoms ever.
joe rogan
Dude, he was the coolest guy ever to work for if you ran a show.
Because he didn't give a fuck if you came up with a funnier line.
No ego?
None.
Zero.
bryan callen
No, I know.
joe rogan
The whole writing crew was just about, get the best line out there.
So Dave Foley was constantly rewriting shit.
Constantly.
We would write jokes for each other.
We would see something, and Vicki Lewis would say to Andy, how about you try this?
bryan callen
She was amazing, too.
joe rogan
She was great, too.
Candy Alexander, amazing.
It was a crazy cast.
Super, super, super talented.
bryan callen
Andy Dick was amazing.
Andy Dick would kill you with the shit he would do.
joe rogan
Dude, I had to do many scenes with him, and you did an episode with him.
It's hard to keep a straight face.
If I'm supposed to be pissed, I'd be like, Andy, what happened?
And he would say something, and you'd be biting your face.
I would slap myself in the face in between takes to try to get...
I didn't laugh.
bryan callen
He's so funny and unpredictable.
He's so talented.
I did less than perfect with him, too.
And he would just come out and do shit, and you'd be like, what's he gonna do now?
And he was always fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
And there was Steven Root, who's one of the best actors I've ever met in my life.
He became this other person.
He would do a scene, he would just become someone else.
He just wasn't there anymore.
Like, he would be Jimmy James.
Like, he would get out of the room, he'd be Steven Root, he'd be hanging out with him, he's like this normal guy.
And then he'd come on the set with his suit on as Jimmy James, and he's Jimmy James.
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
It was weird.
bryan callen
He was a real actor.
That guy's been acting forever.
Like, highly trained, skilled, like...
joe rogan
He was the only one in the cast that had a real character.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, Phil was just an exaggerated Phil, but his character had a different way of talking, a different mannerism.
He had all planned that out.
bryan callen
It's an amazing, amazing show.
Chemistry like that is very rare.
It just creates gold.
It's really rare.
joe rogan
I don't know how we got to that, but that dude didn't give a fuck.
He's all about the best line.
Whatever the best line is.
Whoever's coming up with the best line.
Yeah.
But when you work in an environment like that, then it makes it fun.
When you work with someone who's super restrictive and they don't let you just express yourself, then those sitcoms are just the worst.
You've been in those environments, too.
It's fucking hard to do, man.
This is so easy.
To do a podcast is the easiest form of show business of all time.
bryan callen
It really is.
joe rogan
It is.
And for doing shit, it's the best form.
It's crazy.
It's the least managed, it's the least prepared, but if you're listening, if I'm doing something around my house, if I'm cleaning my office or something like that, I want to listen to a podcast.
brendan schaub
Yep, me too.
I listen to when I work out now.
I used to only listen to music, now I listen to podcasts.
Jesus, you might be balls deep.
I know.
Balls deep in the world.
bryan callen
There's so much to learn.
eddie bravo
In the games.
bryan callen
It's all your fingertips, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I feel like you don't have enough time in the day to learn shit.
bryan callen
Well, you can hear the smartest people on the planet talk.
Like, you can go to Sam Harris' podcast and listen to the smartest motherfuckers on the planet have a conversation.
joe rogan
Or the dumbest.
You can listen to people who are super stupid to make yourself feel better.
bryan callen
I don't listen to them.
joe rogan
Do you think this is doing something to the way people communicate?
bryan callen
I do think that the world is becoming less brutal and ignorant in many ways.
For example, you'd find in, if we went back even 100 years, but let's say 130 years, you would find a large portion of the globe that could have a conversation with you on why slavery is necessary and can be virtuous in certain circumstances for certain people.
And you'd have no problem finding maybe half the globe who would have a serious conversation with you justifying a form of slavery.
And today, in 2017, you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who could morally or ethically justify the idea that you should own a slave.
joe rogan
Right, but no, no, no, in the world.
Also, it's economically not viable anymore.
See, like, if you could do something like Foxconn and have a bunch of people stocked up inside some place and feed them and house them, and they work 16 hours a day and jump off the building so much you have to put nets around?
Yeah.
What is the difference?
The only difference is they can leave.
It's like they can leave if they want to, but it's some weird kind of form of slavery.
bryan callen
There's always going to be indentured servitude or whatever it is, depending on the economy.
What I'm saying is that you would have, for example, the minute you said to people...
joe rogan
I know exactly what you're saying.
I know exactly what you're saying.
bryan callen
And that's progress to an extent where the concept...
joe rogan
It is to an extent, but isn't it bizarre?
What we're talking about, you get something from Japan, or China rather, and you know that it came from one of those kind of factories.
And you're okay with it.
I mean, we're all okay with it.
We have to be if you want a new iPhone.
brendan schaub
Well, if you want any phone.
Even droids, Android, everything.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Samsung, I don't know how they make their shit.
bryan callen
Come on.
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
I'm okay with it for the following reason.
We went through our own industrial revolution and, you know, the fact of the matter is that when economies are growing, you can look at a lot of examples.
Look at Korea 30 years ago.
Look at China 20 years ago.
Look at all these countries who have gained great prosperity and higher standards of living for massive sections of their population.
They all started that way.
They all started, you know, it's very difficult to grow your country to become an industrial powerhouse.
joe rogan
No, I totally understand that, Brian, but it's just weird that we allow people to pay people.
Essentially, it's not a company in China.
It's kind of an American company in a lot of ways.
brendan schaub
It's a form of slavery.
eddie bravo
It's a loophole in slavery.
It's way cheaper.
To have an involuntary slavery network than it is a...
If you make it instead of forced slavery, you're paying them so little that they can never leave.
You're just basically...
Instead of providing food for them, you're just basically giving them the money that you would spend.
If it was real slavery, you'd have to buy their food and shit.
And then you'd have to have guards and you'd have to pay guards and have the security system.
joe rogan
Well, they feed them there, too.
I mean, it's real creepy.
Yeah, it's a loophole.
And you've got to realize that even whoever owns the company, whether it's Chinese people, the American people, the American companies have these big deals with them for a reason.
Because they can take advantage of those loopholes.
bryan callen
And that's why they do it.
joe rogan
And because their manufacturing tolerances are super high.
They really know how to do...
bryan callen
But there is a lot of pressure from responsible corporate American companies, and they go in there because their shareholders find out about this stuff, and they go in there.
And by the way, I would imagine that a lot of people that work at Apple is going to sound really surprising, and these other companies are pretty ethical and moral and don't.
And I'm very familiar with not feeling good about the fact that their company might have a relationship with a Chinese affiliate who doesn't treat their work as well.
And in fact...
A lot of these corporations like Apple were very, very, and IBM, for example, were instrumental in going in there and saying, hold it.
We're not doing business this way.
Your environmental practices, I mean, there was a whole article about how IBM, if you do business with IBM, good luck, because you're vendors.
You're vendors.
Better be environmentally responsible.
IBM has these environmental standards that are just draconian almost for a lot of companies where it's like you may be environmentally responsible and you work for us and we're a big client for you, but how about the people that work for you?
joe rogan
How's that draconian though?
bryan callen
No, it's not draconian.
I'm saying that a lot of these corporations have to be responsible.
It's progressive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Smart, in a lot of ways.
bryan callen
And it's smart, and they go, I don't want to do business where people are indentured.
joe rogan
No, you're definitely right.
eddie bravo
You've got to say that.
joe rogan
But it's also a 100% fact.
eddie bravo
I believe them.
bryan callen
But they are.
joe rogan
But hold on.
It's still, no matter what you just said that made it look cute, there's still a 100% fact those people make almost nothing.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
And that's how you get your laptop made.
I mean, if you want to break it down to reality.
brendan schaub
It's the only way.
You can say whatever you want, but it's the only way.
joe rogan
Do you think, though?
bryan callen
Do you think?
joe rogan
Is it possible that this can turn back around?
The idea of American manufacturing is like things that have been kicked around back and forth since...
You know, I mean this whole campaign got started essentially, right?
What was a big part of what Trump getting into office was bringing back American manufacturing.
unidentified
Make America great again.
joe rogan
We all know the story of Detroit.
We have all seen like how they're...
Oh, there's another fucking documentary that they're doing about this guy who's building a farm in Detroit, the largest farm.
They're making a huge farm in the middle of Detroit.
They're like knocking down all these buildings, buying up all this land.
And they're just going to build an urban farm.
bryan callen
But what were you going to ask, though?
What was the question about bringing manufacturing jobs back?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, the idea of it, the idea of, like, reigniting the manufacturing base of the United States and having everything, being American-made, being a big thing.
But when it comes to, like, electronics and things like that, is it even possible?
bryan callen
So here's the problem.
First of all, the reason that we don't pay crazy amounts, the reason that the consumers get to pay not a lot of money for a flat screen TV or whatever it might be, the reason prices seem to come down.
You can go to Walmart and buy a lot of shit for not as much money.
There's efficiency, right?
And there's a price for efficiency, of course.
But for the most part, if you look at the infrastructure that over 20 years China has built, with those factories that are so in It's incredibly efficient and clean and have just unlocked in to exactly how to churn out as much product.
And you're a company, and your bottom line is you're responsible, for example, if you're a public company, you're responsible to your shareholders to make them as much money, as many dividends as you can.
And on top of that turn of profit, you're going to make your product for as little money as possible.
And by the way, it's also going to allow you to bring the price down so your consumers can buy it.
unidentified
Of course.
bryan callen
Of course.
We all know this.
Without infrastructure.
Good luck with the American manufacturing sector trying to compete with the Chinese who have a 20-year head start.
And I think that's a fantasy.
Not only is bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US is a fantasy, but more importantly, we're not even using human beings more and more.
The real enemy to unemployment is automation.
It's not just the 400 million Chinese workers that showed up over the past 20 years.
It's automation.
joe rogan
Foxconn's CEO says investment for display plant in the U.S. would exceed $7 billion.
brendan schaub
That's a lot of money.
bryan callen
Pretty amazing.
joe rogan
So they have these plants that are already set up in China, very high standards for tolerances for their manufacturing, for not just this, but also for clothes and all sorts of things are made.
brendan schaub
We just had a meeting with this company, and they were saying how they went to American Factory, because they're looking to outsource shoes, t-shirts, all this stuff.
They went to American Factory, and then they went to the, in China, and he goes, China's like the Bentley or Royals Royce of factories.
And the one they went to in America that produces a lot of our American shit, he said it was awful.
Like there, they wouldn't even put up with it.
The standards aren't even close.
bryan callen
You wouldn't do business there.
eddie bravo
Oh, so the people that are jumping out of buildings, is that a clean place or a dirty place?
bryan callen
Super clean.
joe rogan
Once they jump, it's clean.
unidentified
They jump out of a clean building, Eddie.
eddie bravo
I mean, I know it seems like a fantasy, but doesn't it sound like we should try?
No, it'll never happen.
It'll never happen.
Fuck China.
Let's bring the jobs back here.
We've got to at least try.
At least give Trump a shot.
bryan callen
We are trying, but even Trump realizes and everybody realizes that there are some countries that do things more efficiently, right?
So, for example, just as a bad example, bananas are easier to grow in the Dominican Republic than they would because of the climate and all that than they would be in Detroit, right?
Just because of the weather and stuff.
eddie bravo
Of course.
bryan callen
That's kind of the idea behind a global economy, the idea that certain countries have the infrastructure, have the cheaper labor, and it's easier to churn out more product.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you keep saying cheaper labor like it's no big deal.
bryan callen
I'm not saying it's no big deal.
brendan schaub
Didn't we just talk about slave labor this whole time?
bryan callen
It also makes those countries wealthier.
eddie bravo
How do you defend that?
bryan callen
And it raises their standard of living.
joe rogan
Sorta, yeah, but does it...
No, Brian, settle the fuck down.
It does, but it does in a way where you're doing it off the back of the people that are making $5 a week.
bryan callen
Of course.
joe rogan
Okay, but that's what we keep saying, and you keep glossing over it.
That's a form of slavery.
When I'm trying to explain, like, why it's a problem to a lot of people that listen to this, you want to gloss over it and Fox News it up.
bryan callen
Sir, I don't listen to Fox News.
By the way, let's get a couple things straight.
joe rogan
Hey, you fuckers.
bryan callen
I don't get my news off of CNN or Fox News.
Guess who doesn't read?
I never watch news.
I don't watch news, you fuckers.
brendan schaub
Where do you get your news?
YouTube?
bryan callen
I read different publications.
And I do a lot of blow.
I do a lot of blow.
I'm not glossing over anything.
All I'm trying to say is this, really simply.
joe rogan
I know, but you keep saying it.
We know what you're saying.
bryan callen
No, you're not listening.
What I'm saying is that...
joe rogan
I am definitely listening.
bryan callen
I understand that...
joe rogan
They got slavery down.
bryan callen
They got slavery down.
brendan schaub
If you go over it one more time, I'm going to freak out myself.
joe rogan
Brian, you're being very repetitive.
unidentified
That's why I interrupted you.
bryan callen
No, I'm saying the standard of living in those countries has raised exponentially.
Of course.
joe rogan
And because of foreign investment.
brendan schaub
Because of slavery.
joe rogan
It's done off the back of these people that are making $5 a week.
brendan schaub
It's still slavery.
bryan callen
It's not the same thing.
It's not slavery.
eddie bravo
We're jumping out of buildings, Brian.
We got to...
joe rogan
Brian, it's illegal to make those people work like that in the United States for a fucking reason.
And they're human beings.
So if they're human beings in China and they're working in these horrendous conditions under insane hours, they are, Brian.
They live there.
They live in these factories.
bryan callen
You're right.
Some factories, you're 100% right.
I would never want to work that way.
joe rogan
In some factories, it's just a disco.
They go in, they give them a drink, everybody gets a foot massage.
bryan callen
I'm not apologizing.
joe rogan
I'm not saying.
bryan callen
I'm not saying.
Guys, I'm not saying that it's not.
joe rogan
You're so Fox News.
bryan callen
I am not saying.
eddie bravo
I'm with you, Callan.
I have nothing against slavery.
bryan callen
No, I'm not saying that I believe in slave labor or that it's not hard work.
I'm just saying that every country has industrialized the same way.
joe rogan
If their factory was filled with a bunch of hot women from Norway that were sweaty all the time and their breasts were hanging out, we'd be fucking trying to save them.
We can't make them work these hours.
We just can't do it.
But because it's Chinese people, Brian's like, the economy is really doing great.
unidentified
No, I'm not!
bryan callen
Look at these slaves!
unidentified
No, I'm not!
Under the backs of these slaves, this economy is growing.
bryan callen
The Chinese are demanding higher wages so they're exporting their jobs to other countries.
joe rogan
At the end of the week, they can buy a Subway sandwich footlong.
bryan callen
Fuck off.
joe rogan
Maybe.
bryan callen
I am not.
I'm not saying anything like that.
joe rogan
At the end of the week, no soda.
Stop mischaracterizing me.
bryan callen
You're mischaracterizing me.
joe rogan
You can have that little plastic cup and get some water.
eddie bravo
How much would an iPhone cost if we built it in the United States?
joe rogan
A thousand million dollars.
bryan callen
One million dollars!
eddie bravo
What do you think?
They're like 700 bucks now, right?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, we literally don't have the kind of factory, so you'd have to build the factory.
Six months?
So it would cost billions of dollars to build one of those super high-tech factories.
Oh, that's too much money.
You would have to hire people.
bryan callen
And he falls asleep.
joe rogan
That's too much.
You'd have to hire people.
Substantial wage.
But it could be done.
It's not an impossible thing.
It was done in China.
It could be done over here.
eddie bravo
They could make iPhones here.
joe rogan
But it would cost more.
It would definitely cost more.
eddie bravo
They just use Mexicans.
brendan schaub
The price would go up.
joe rogan
But don't you think the country should subsidize fucking iPhones instead of corn?
Because all these cunts are putting corn in everything.
And corn syrup and this and that.
And everybody's getting fat as fuck.
And people are dying of heart attacks.
This is goddamn corn porn.
Protein and corn powder.
Can I just talk for a second?
That'll be okay.
All this corn in everything.
Jesus Christ.
Maybe we subsidize cell phones.
bryan callen
Talk to the lobbies.
joe rogan
Because you need that more than you need fucking corn.
bryan callen
Talk to Archer Daniel Midland's lobbying efforts.
joe rogan
They're very strong.
unidentified
They'll just be too expensive.
joe rogan
They'll just talk to me about slaves and how good they are.
How important it is.
bryan callen
I chose slavery, motherfucker.
It's a free country.
I can say what I want.
eddie bravo
But you know those, the guys that own these factories in China, you know they're down to, like, they want to assassinate Trump, right?
You think so?
brendan schaub
If he's really going to pull those...
joe rogan
Oh, they're not threatened at all.
It takes so long to do that.
bryan callen
Here's a loop.
joe rogan
You don't think they're worried about that?
No, Eddie, no one's going to do it unless...
Look, first of all, you hear what he was talking about, like putting taxes on Mexico to build the wall and stuff like that.
All those proposals have to get through.
bryan callen
Congress.
joe rogan
Yeah, and good luck.
Good luck with all that.
And especially because he doesn't...
See, the thing about running a country is it's very different than running a business.
There's a bunch of checks and balances.
If he's running a business, he's the king.
There was this thing that John Oliver had on a show.
We were talking about how he would exaggerate about the amount of floors in his building.
You know, you think you're on the 14th floor, but you're really on the 8th floor.
Because he would say there's like 68 floors.
bryan callen
And there are 58. Yeah.
joe rogan
He just does whatever he wants, but it makes it look more exciting.
Just a fact check ever?
No, but you can't...
When you're dealing with Congress, that's not going to work.
unidentified
Yeah, we're going to need facts.
joe rogan
Because when you run...
If you run it like that...
See, the reason why it's good that there's this bureaucracy in place, bureaucracy in place, is that if someone isn't with the right or the left, they're on their own, and they want to run this thing, like, I'm going to bring my own security, I'm going to run it...
Nobody's going to be on your side.
And those people have to be on your side.
So then you have to figure out how you're going to work with these people to get things on your side.
But you have to do it legally.
And you're being watched with a microscope.
Everybody's looking at everything you do.
That's why this guy...
bryan callen
They're challenging me in court.
joe rogan
What's his name?
Flynn?
Flynn.
He got removed today.
He had to step down.
In a business, what he did would have been, mum, mum, under the table.
Everybody shut the fuck up.
They're doing deals.
They're talking to people.
bryan callen
You were talking to the Russians.
You mischaracterized what you said.
What did he do?
We should look it up very specifically.
But what I understand is he had an inappropriate conversation with Russian emissaries about sanctions.
We can't have that.
Whether or not those sanctions would be eased up under the...
Because we have sanctions on Russia because of what they did in Crimea.
joe rogan
Please pull that back up so we can read the...
National Security Advisor Michael Flynn resigns.
And then you scroll down a little bit there.
It says National Security Advisor Michael Flynn has resigned after reports that he misled senior White House officials about his conversations with Russia.
The liberals are freaking out right now and screaming into their lattes.
bryan callen
Actually, conservatives are.
joe rogan
I know.
President Trump has named, but the liberals are fucking, they're ready to light shit on fire.
They're gonna go down to Starbucks and kick the door in.
Retired Army Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg as acting National Security Advisor.
Kellogg previously served as Flynn's Chief of Staff.
Blah blah blah blah the embattled Flynn blamed his resignation late Monday on the fast pace of events that led him to Inadvertently give Vice President Pence and others incomplete information in quote about his phone conversations with Russia's ambassador to the US Sergei Kisilyak Remember they probably recorded those conversations And if he said anything about sanctions being eased up when Trump comes into power, etc., that would be very inappropriate.
I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology, Flynn wrote in his resignation letter.
Wow.
This is weird, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, really weird.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Pence had defended Flynn's contact with Russia, and when it became clear the National Security Advisor had not been forthcoming, serious questions were raised about his ability to keep the job.
This is fucking House of Cards.
Like, House of Cards is real.
bryan callen
Especially since Russia, according to both sides of the aisle, was probably involved in hacking.
joe rogan
Don't say that.
You keep saying hacking.
Because they didn't do anything that actually affected the election.
They might have done something that affected people's perceptions, and might have affected the way they vote, but what they did was never disputed.
Like, when the information they pulled up, no one's ever saying it's fake.
They're saying it's true.
So what they did, where they showed that Hillary was rigging the primaries against Bernie Sanders, To say that that influenced the election, yes, it did.
But it influenced it because what they did was dirty as fuck and business as usual, and then people got a chance to look at it.
bryan callen
Well, they also know that Russian agents, or it's alleged that Russian agents hacked into certain DNC computers.
So for high-level Democrats, that's all.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if there is proof, but the bottom line is, even if they did do it, what they released is something that we should know about.
Because we should know that the Democratic Party is against one of the most popular people of the Democratic Party that just wasn't playing ball.
That's Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders is a guy who's legitimately altruistic.
Like, seems like it.
Seems like a guy who's legitimately not controlled by money.
Seems like a guy who's legitimately looking, maybe even misguided, by some economics, economist standards.
Maybe even misguided, but the idea that he's trying to change the income inequality in this country in some way, shape, or form.
At the very least, he's opening up the dialogue about it.
And the Hillary's and all the other people are fucking hitting the brakes on that shit.
And we found out about it.
So we found out about the crazy bureaucracy.
We found out about Hillary talking about marijuana and saying that she's against it in every sense of the word.
Marijuana legalization.
She's helping people Are you saying she's corrupt?
That's a monster.
A person who would say that she's against marijuana legalization in every sense of the word, that person is an enemy of history.
Like, you're a selfish monster who's willing to do something completely irrational just for personal gain.
That's it.
That's horrible.
bryan callen
That's been a knock on Hillary from day one.
And there's a whole paper trail of that.
joe rogan
The pot thing, though, is so scary.
bryan callen
Of her corruption.
joe rogan
And people don't think it's scary because it's pot and pot sounds silly.
But it's not about pot.
It's about freedom.
It's about you doing something that doesn't hurt anybody else and someone deciding that they can lock you in a cage because they write some things down on paper.
And it's no different if she wants to do that than if someone in this room wants to lock one of us up.
Like if the five of us got together and one of us wanted to lock one of us up because one of us is smoking pot.
It's that fucking stupid.
It's really that stupid.
It's an insane, insane law.
And the fact that she was totally down to keep that law going in every sense of the word.
That's an insane person.
unidentified
Yeah, Brian.
bryan callen
Well, it's not just that.
Her Clinton Foundation was a pay-per-flight.
Look up.
joe rogan
What's gone now, right?
Isn't it deteriorating?
bryan callen
What a surprise that it folded up.
How amazing that she no longer has any influence in government.
And all of a sudden, all those donations folded up.
What a surprise.
I thought it was an altruistic organization, but now that they can't grant anybody favors, all you have to do, don't look this up now, but if you're listening, Uranium One deal, Whitewater, and Travelgate.
Just remember those three things and look up how corrupt the Clintons were.
joe rogan
And this is why a lot of people have a problem with the ideologues on the left, because they won't acknowledge that.
So everybody that sees that and sees the deep, deep, deep...
Just integrated corruption.
That it's just almost inoperable corruption.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
They see that, and they don't want to admit it because they say Trump is bad.
And if you talk about it, they say Trump is bad.
And they have valid concerns about Trump.
But that doesn't negate all the problems with her.
It just doesn't.
bryan callen
Trump is elected because the Democrats decided to nominate somebody who, in 2008, the Democratic voters already told you they didn't like, they didn't trust, women didn't trust her.
Not just men, women didn't trust her.
So at the end of the day, you guys, you know, the Democrats put up a candidate that people didn't trust.
They just didn't.
eddie bravo
She just had a history of it.
Any time she talked, any time a word came out of her mouth, I didn't believe anything.
She's just the most insincere bad actress out there.
Her husband, man, he was believable.
You wanted to believe Bill Clinton, but he was just better at lying.
But she's terrible at lying, right?
joe rogan
Is she terrible?
eddie bravo
Do you believe anything she says?
joe rogan
You know, it's hard to imagine that the system is so fucked up that it's missing key players so badly that someone that flawed could get to a position where the country has to choose whether or not this insanely flawed person gets to run the country.
Like, that's crazy.
There's so many people.
bryan callen
She was intelligent, ambitious, energetic.
joe rogan
I understand all these things.
brendan schaub
Because the smart people don't want to run, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And that's the problem.
And rightly so.
Why would you want that shitty job?
Why'd you want that shitty job?
bryan callen
Because I'm pro-slavery?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
You can't do what you used to be able to do with that job.
That job was a good job when you were JFK. It's not a good job when you're fucking Obama.
It's not a good job.
brendan schaub
It's stressful now.
joe rogan
You're dying out there.
brendan schaub
See, Obama's having the time of his life now.
joe rogan
Party.
How much weed do you think he smokes every week?
brendan schaub
Oh, non-stop.
joe rogan
Do you think he eats edibles and thinks about drones?
bryan callen
Didn't he stop smoking in the middle of his presidency?
brendan schaub
No, before I thought.
joe rogan
I'll ask you again.
Do you think he eats edibles and thinks about drones?
bryan callen
That's my president.
I'm not going to answer that question.
brendan schaub
It's not your president.
bryan callen
Oh, not anymore.
Yes.
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Donald Trump's your president.
Biatch?
bryan callen
That's true.
joe rogan
No, did you see that girl who got tattooed on her side?
I put it up on my Instagram.
She got it tattooed on her side.
Trump is not my fucking president.
brendan schaub
You live in America, bitch.
That's your president.
joe rogan
But how deep is that?
Imagine going down on her.
You pull her shirt off and you're like...
unidentified
So intense.
joe rogan
I like all that, though.
bryan callen
That's what makes our democracy vibrant.
Disagreement.
joe rogan
Oh, stop saying that Trump is not my fucking president tattoo on someone's side makes our democracy vibrant, because that's not correct.
bryan callen
Freedom of speech, sir.
joe rogan
But writing that on your body forever?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
Because in four years, they're like, yeah, mind me.
eddie bravo
Last night.
Last night.
While Donald Trump was running for the Republican nomination, I really didn't pay that much attention to him.
I heard crazy shit.
I always said crazy shit about Mexicans.
He said this and that, and I'm like, damn, he sounds like a crazy man.
Didn't really pay attention.
But when he won the nomination and he was going against Hillary, I started to pay attention.
But then you always hear about shit he said in the past, although I never heard it.
But when he was running against Hillary and they were debating...
I agree.
To me, he just seemed like an honest shit talker.
That's what he seemed like, an honest shit talker.
You know, he's not politically correct.
He's saying some abrasive shit, but he's being honest.
And Hillary wasn't being honest at all.
So last night, I went back and I said, you know what?
People keep saying all this shit that Donald Trump said.
I go, let me...
I went to YouTube.
Sorry.
The library was closed.
But I went to YouTube and I punched him.
Donald Trump's worst quotes and like the worst of Donald Trump.
And I smoked a bowl and I'm like, let me fucking find out what the fuck he's saying.
And he talks shit.
I agreed with most...
I didn't really think anything was bad.
I was like, is this a pro-Donald Trump video?
bryan callen
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Like, because people always hear that he said, like, the worst shit.
Like, he's saying shit about Mexicans.
What is he saying?
Is he calling them wetbacks?
You know, what is he saying?
brendan schaub
No, they exaggerate everything.
bryan callen
They exaggerate everything.
And I think a lot of what you saw...
brendan schaub
They compare him to Hitler now and Stalin.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
And I'm like, wait a minute.
I went back.
And I swear to God, I had to check, because I was just going through video after video.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're like, I don't get it.
eddie bravo
Is it pro-Trump or against Trump?
This is his worst shit?
To me, it sounds like a boss.
You know, he's a shit-talker dude.
And the guy, then I went back and watched the shit he was saying while he was running against Ted Cruz and Rubio.
Those guys seem like, they seem like they're hypnotized.
They're like MKUltra.
brendan schaub
No, we know what they're going to say.
They're all full of shit!
bryan callen
I never had a problem with Trump of what he said.
My problem with Trump is that he doesn't...
Yeah, he's totally real!
My worry about Trump is that he's...
I think he's very, very narcissistic, but I also think he doesn't seem that informed or that interested in knowing what he doesn't know.
That was always my worry about him.
brendan schaub
That's why you surround yourself with some beast.
eddie bravo
It could be a double cross.
I'm not sold on Trump, but the one thing is...
joe rogan
Thank God he's not drunk.
bryan callen
Hey, you went to the bathroom.
I haven't seen you do that in a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I've been here for a while.
I had to get here for a meeting an hour early, so I've been drinking.
I hit my wall.
eddie bravo
I was just happy that Hillary didn't win.
That could have been anybody on the other side.
All the shit on Hillary and her camp, the people that run her shit, that's too dark for me.
I don't want that to keep going.
She could have been running against Bozo the Clown.
I would have been Bozo, Bozo, Bozo.
brendan schaub
Or D's nuts.
bryan callen
That's what a lot of people did.
joe rogan
There's two things that are good about having someone like Trump in office.
One thing is that people are going to get energized now and they realize that voting works and there's real consequences to not voting and the person that you maybe didn't want And then also, we have to re-examine our electoral college system that was created back when people couldn't fucking communicate with their representatives.
You couldn't get to Washington.
You couldn't just vote instantaneously on your email or your computer.
100% should be a way that you vote online.
Just like you can bank.
eddie bravo
Just your email.
unidentified
Make it easy.
eddie bravo
That's your email.
joe rogan
No, that's not good because you have a social security number.
Everybody has one.
That's what you should be able to enter.
You should be able to enter into an app that everybody gets.
You have a photo.
You stand there.
It takes a photo of you.
It takes your fingerprint like it does when you order something with Apple Pay or some shit and vote.
It's not hard to do.
It's not hard to do.
They can do it.
They just don't want to invest any time.
It's way easier to control controlled groups of people.
As soon as you have everybody that's over 18 having access to vote instantaneously with their phone, you're going to get a very different result.
And you're going to get people like Justin Bieber becoming president.
Like really?
You gotta understand.
We have a popularity contest.
That's what being the president is.
It's fucking ridiculous.
If you look at the amount of people that are on Instagram or on Twitter, like people that have like 49 million followers, at any given time, one of those motherfuckers can string together some really good sentences and we're like, George Clooney for president!
We'll fucking do it.
We don't even care if you're good at it.
unidentified
Katy Perry.
joe rogan
Katy Perry would be like, she's so powerful and so amazing!
I know!
unidentified
She knows she can do it.
joe rogan
Lady Gaga could be the fucking president of the United States.
Mark my words.
She was on the Super Bowl.
She said she was a hundred nine million.
eddie bravo
How many she got?
joe rogan
Okay, Selena Gomez could be president.
brendan schaub
I'll vote for her right now.
joe rogan
I don't even know who she is.
She's dating the weekend.
I'm so lost.
I'm so out of the loop.
bryan callen
The problem you'd have to solve with the Electoral College is that if you do it just by popular vote like that, that's one issue with it, but also the fact that states that are not very populated would get ignored by the government.
joe rogan
They would get ignored when it comes to passing bills that help them or getting funding or subsidies, but also maybe they'd have to stop growing fucking corn and putting it in everything!
brendan schaub
And get with the times.
joe rogan
Everybody's dying from corn, Brian!
bryan callen
Corn!
eddie bravo
There's hope in you, man.
joe rogan
Corn-fed cunts.
eddie bravo
You turned on Hillary.
I like that.
bryan callen
Oh yeah, I never liked Hillary, Bob.
unidentified
I was under the impression that you were pro-Hillary.
bryan callen
I'm a libertarian, brother.
I'm a pretty conservative guy.
joe rogan
But there was no good choices.
There was no good choices.
brendan schaub
No.
bryan callen
I couldn't.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to do it.
eddie bravo
Hey, but I'm down to give Trump a chance to turn the economy around.
brendan schaub
You have no other choice, Eddie.
bryan callen
He might.
There's a lot of pro-growth.
eddie bravo
I'm not going to go after him, but I'm not sold on Trump.
But I like what he's saying.
I like that he's honest.
He's definitely...
He never said...
He never called Mexicans wetbacks or anything like that.
He just said...
He said the same shit Bill Clinton said about immigration in more of an abrasive way.
That's all.
He was more abrasive about it.
joe rogan
But Bill Clinton said the same shit.
He said all the same shit that people are upset about Trump.
brendan schaub
He got his dick sucked in the White House.
joe rogan
That's not a big deal, man.
bryan callen
That's not a big deal.
brendan schaub
Whoa, I celebrate that.
joe rogan
Let him go.
brendan schaub
Hey, what about JFK? JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe while he was married.
unidentified
A lot of women.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
unidentified
JFK, the best dressed president of all time, too.
eddie bravo
He had 11 affairs during his presidency.
Although, that could be bullshit.
That could be disinformation.
joe rogan
Oh, no, it's Will documented.
Who knows?
eddie bravo
Maybe they were trying to smear him.
joe rogan
Here's my question.
brendan schaub
He had chlamydia.
joe rogan
Should Donald Trump, if anything positive happens from this, it's going to inspire other people that are unconventional type candidates to run that might be better or more likely than him.
brendan schaub
Nah, two-time Trump.
joe rogan
Two-term?
brendan schaub
Two-term Trump?
joe rogan
You think so?
bryan callen
If the economy is doing well, he'll get another shot.
eddie bravo
If it's not- You know what I like about Trump is the CIA is so against him, like John O'Brennan, the director.
unidentified
Who's that?
eddie bravo
He's the director of the CIA. He's publicly against him.
brendan schaub
Then it's a good thing.
joe rogan
He's not the director of the CIA anymore, Brian?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
There's something good about Trump if that guy's against him.
bryan callen
Pompeo, I believe.
What happened with this fellow that used to be the head of the CIA? The head of the CIA is appointed by the president.
It's a civilian appointment.
eddie bravo
John O'Brennan right now.
bryan callen
You're usually a civilian who runs the CIA. And you're appointed by the president.
brendan schaub
Eddie says John O'Brien.
eddie bravo
John O'Brennan's the director right now.
bryan callen
I believe it's Pompeo, isn't it?
brendan schaub
He was.
bryan callen
He was Obama's director.
eddie bravo
Oh, they switched it up?
Okay, he's out.
joe rogan
So he was Obama's director and he doesn't like the president.
Oh, he's going against him publicly.
Because obviously Obama didn't like the president.
eddie bravo
Publicly.
You could punch that up.
unidentified
John O'Brennan.
bryan callen
Trump appoints the head of the CIA. So he has his boyfriend.
brendan schaub
He decides who, yeah.
eddie bravo
I'm not sure if he does.
You think he does?
bryan callen
Well, he just said.
joe rogan
He just read it and said it.
bryan callen
And Halpern, the deputy director, was under investigation for running black sites.
So, you know, if you want to talk about a controversial undersecretary...
joe rogan
Say that again?
bryan callen
Halpern, is it Valerie Halpern?
She was an operative who ran a lot of the extraordinary rendition sites, the black sites where detainees under American supervision were tortured.
She ran that.
She was there.
She was brought up with the Senate Arms, the Intelligence Committee, and questioned.
joe rogan
What do you think it's like to bang a chick who runs a torture operation?
brendan schaub
You better go hard in the paint.
bryan callen
I tried to look for pictures.
I couldn't find pictures.
brendan schaub
You better go hard in the fucking paint.
bryan callen
Hard in the paint.
brendan schaub
You better go hard in the paint.
Chains, whips.
bryan callen
She's a controversial character, man.
eddie bravo
Some guys are into that, but I'm not into any kind of paint.
I'm way too lazy for that.
No pain.
I'm not going to be tied up.
unidentified
Don't scratch me.
brendan schaub
Don't bite me.
eddie bravo
Don't scratch me.
No biting.
bryan callen
Don't bite my lip.
brendan schaub
I'm not going to choke you out.
joe rogan
I can't punch you.
bryan callen
I don't like it.
joe rogan
This Fifty Shades of Grey has got people confused as fuck.
eddie bravo
Some guys are into that!
brendan schaub
There's no Fifty Shades of Browns.
joe rogan
That's from working in a fucking office.
That's what that shit's from.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Being suppressed, working in that cubicle, constantly worried about human resources.
You get out of there, you want some bitch to tie you up and shit in your mouth.
That's what truth is.
bryan callen
Really?
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
You get fucking crazy.
bryan callen
I told you I dated a dominatrix, right?
In New York.
brendan schaub
Was it crazy?
bryan callen
Dude, she brought me to her quote-unquote dungeon, which was really a fancy apartment.
brendan schaub
Oh, you put on a gimp suit?
bryan callen
No, she liked it, but I was kind of dominant, because I don't know if you guys know I'm an alpha male.
Wow.
She had a chair.
Did I tell you this?
She had a chair, yeah, where you could tie your balls.
joe rogan
Yeah, go ahead.
bryan callen
You'd sit in a chair and there was a hole in the chair and your balls and cock would hang between the chair and she would put a ring at the base of where your cock and your balls meet and then you'd be chained to the floor and then she'd do whatever the fuck she wanted.
joe rogan
What did she do?
bryan callen
She said that her biggest clientele were all lawyers, mostly lawyers.
There was something about lawyers that liked to be dominated.
eddie bravo
Did she kick you in the balls, B? When I worked at the strip club as a DJ, there was guys that would come in and they would sit in the lap dance booth and want the girls and knee him in the balls.
brendan schaub
What the fuck is wrong with them?
eddie bravo
That makes me feel sick.
One a year.
Every year, one dude will come.
Just a freak.
joe rogan
Well, some guys like to be cut.
They like to be electrocuted.
I think there's also some real scientific inquiry into this, and they think that some people feel pain differently.
Which makes sense.
If you could be born with something wrong with your body, right?
If you could be born with some sort of a birth defect, why can't you be born with some sort of a defect in the way your body senses pain?
We're just assuming, like, you know, I don't like pain, you don't like pain.
You're like, fuck, pain must be awful to everybody.
I think some people are numb, and pain gives them, like, a vital shot in the arm to let them know they're still alive.
andy stumpf
That's why people, a lot of depressed people like tattoos.
joe rogan
Oops, what was I saying?
bryan callen
Yeah.
According to Richard Walter, who's a big-time profiler for sadism, he's the guy who wrote the double helix, basically, on serial killers and how a serial killer becomes.
And he solves a lot of these cold cases, but he's an FBI profiler who deals with the worst cases, like the real sadists.
Sweet job.
So there's certain people that get off on the act of killing, right?
And in fact, they'll almost kill you, then bring you back to life.
They're real sick fuckers.
But he said all of those people, including cannibals and things, they all are getting a sexual charge out of whatever it is they do.
So, Cyril, regardless, it's power over the person.
But according to him, there's always a sexual drive for it.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
bryan callen
Yeah, like the one guy who they found, he was a cannibal, and he couldn't, he finally killed his two wives and they caught him because he just would do all these terrible things.
But he couldn't feel, when they found him, he had hat pins, I think this was in the 40s, 50s.
He had hat pins in his ass and his balls.
He had pins in his balls and hat pins stuffed in his ass.
And he was walking around, and he said that basically he had trouble feeling anything.
Anything.
And so he would stick these needles in his balls, and they found him.
They're like, wait, why are you killing eight people?
You torture people.
Let's start with your mother.
Well, wait a minute.
You got hat pins in your asshole.
joe rogan
Did you hear about the guy in Canada?
And pins in your balls.
Did you hear about the guy in Canada that had a mental episode on a bus, and he brought a knife with him in bags, like plastic bags, killed this guy, cut his head off with a knife, and then ate his eyeballs on the bus.
Beheaded a guy on a crowded bus.
People were on the bus.
They were sleeping.
It was late at night.
Cut this guy's fucking head off.
Ate his eyes.
They deemed him mentally ill.
They gave him medication, and they just released him.
brendan schaub
What?
joe rogan
Hello, Canada.
What part of Canada?
Windsor?
brendan schaub
Can't do shows there.
joe rogan
Was it Windsor, Ontario?
Where was it?
Where was it?
It says Manitoba.
Manitoba, sorry.
brendan schaub
No one woke up?
joe rogan
Manitoba.
I don't know if people woke up or not, but there was cops that were outside while the guy was already dead and he was eating them.
There was cops and first responders that wound up committing suicide, apparently.
See if that's true.
That's what I had read, that it was such a gruesome, horrific scene that some first responders committed suicide.
But people, like, I got in, like, debate with people online about this.
They're like, look, he had a psychotic episode.
As long as he takes his medication, he'll be fine.
unidentified
Fuck that.
joe rogan
And I was like, well, even if that's the case, the fact that someone could ever, in their existence, in their time, in their consciousness on Earth, be capable of sawing someone's head off with a knife and then eating their eyeballs on a bus, You can't ever let them out of your sight.
Because he never did that until he did it once.
He never did that until he did it once, and then he did it once.
Now you know he can do it.
So for you to let him go, I don't care what you say about mental illness, that is so irresponsible.
brendan schaub
And he might have a relapse.
We don't know how he's going to react to the medication.
joe rogan
It never happened before, then it happened.
Which means it can happen.
bryan callen
I feel the same way about pedophiles.
If you rape the child, and you go through all the therapy in the world, I don't care.
I can't let you out.
joe rogan
Canadians are so fucking nice.
bryan callen
They're too nice.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
unidentified
The guy salts on his head off, ate the eyeballs, and he's back on the street.
joe rogan
He didn't know any better.
He feels bad.
He feels super bad.
My bad.
Canadians are the nicest people I've ever come across.
I think they're the nicest nation.
brendan schaub
They're pretty cool.
joe rogan
They're amazing.
They're so fucking nice.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's how something like that flies over there.
They have a social justice warrior president or prime minister.
Trudeau?
He's hilarious.
brendan schaub
He wanted all the refugees.
joe rogan
Gadsad?
Do you know Gads?
bryan callen
Yeah, I know Gadsad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Gads has been, you know, he lives up there in Montreal.
He's a professor in Montreal.
And he just highlights all the ridiculous policies that this guy keeps promoting and the stuff that he gets behind.
What they're doing up there is really strange.
You could get arrested if you say things about certain people.
They don't have freedom of speech the way we have it.
They have these human rights councils that decide whether or not you should be able to do shit.
So if you get heckled by some lesbians and you call them a dirty dyke and say, go eat her asshole, you dirty bitch, or say something crazy like that, you could get arrested and then sued and lose.
And that happened in Vancouver.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
There's law, they have crazy laws as far as like using gender pronouns.
There's a large pushback to that in Canada too.
Well, Jordan Peterson's a big part of that pushback.
Without him, a lot of that would have just been swallowed up by the academics.
He's one of the first academics to stand up and go, hey guys, this is fucking crazy and this is just controlling people.
And when you start controlling people like this, it goes down this dirty road and this dirty road is a dictator.
This dirty road is like ideologies and dominating your patterns of speech and the whole marketplace of free ideas.
bryan callen
According to somebody else's agenda.
unidentified
Exactly.
bryan callen
According to the agenda of equality, that great fuzzy utopia in the sky.
joe rogan
And if you listen to Jordan Peterson, he knows so much about Marxism that it shows you, like, oh, this is a pattern of human thinking.
It starts off by people that were really, like, well-intentioned, they're intellectuals, they're very kind, they're sympathetic, they're progressive, and they want everyone to be nice.
So one of the ways they do it is to be really evil to people they think are not nice.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And then you create this fucking war.
bryan callen
Because they look at them as predators.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
And that's that sort of like infantile...
joe rogan
But the problem is the people on the other side don't look at it that way.
Right.
So you're starting this thing and you're creating two shored up defenses and walls of offense.
You push in.
You start Molotov cocktailing universities that are giving speeches by guys who are Republicans.
You create that UC Berkeley thing.
bryan callen
Yeah, what happened with Milo?
joe rogan
I pulled him out of the fucking building to save his life.
People are rioting outside the building.
They did $100,000 worth of damage to the school.
bryan callen
For thinking.
I thought Berkeley was so tolerant.
What a surprise.
joe rogan
They lit cars on fire.
brendan schaub
We were in Portland.
Milo was there and someone got shot at this thing.
Somebody got shot in the stomach right by us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it's crazy.
And if you listen to what he's saying...
brendan schaub
He's saying some racist shit, right?
joe rogan
Nothing compared to the reaction it's getting.
Nothing.
He's mostly half of a troll.
He's like half of a comedian.
When he says things, he's bitchy.
He's a bitchy gay guy.
They're calling him a Nazi, and he's a fucking gay Jew.
It is one of the funniest things ever.
They're calling this guy a Nazi and a white supremacist.
brendan schaub
What's the slogan of his tour, though?
It's intense.
joe rogan
Dangerous faggot tour.
But he's gay.
He's gay and he talks about his love of black dick.
He's a comedian?
No!
He's a writer and a troll.
But like an intelligent troll and a British guy who's got people on...
If you look at what he actually said...
Yeah, and they said it was because he said rude, racist shit, organized some sort of an attack on Leslie Jones.
But he didn't do it.
Like, if you look at what he said, how responsible is someone who cracks a joke about someone?
Like, he said something about Leslie Jones, wouldn't be the first time I was turned down by a black man.
Something along those lines.
Like, bitchy, but funny.
And for that, just for that, for saying that, because she was mad at his review or something along those lines?
brendan schaub
No, I thought his followers started sending her horrible comments.
joe rogan
Maybe, but how much of that can you push onto him?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can't control that.
joe rogan
You can't control it.
brendan schaub
I'm not asking what he said.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is if you look at what he actually said, if that's grounds for a ban, we're dealing with some extreme censorship.
So you've got to figure out, like, when is he responsible?
See, did he say, hey guys, go get him?
No, he didn't.
But you know who did do that?
It's Leslie Jones.
There was a tweet where Leslie Jones, someone was attacking her and she was like, go get him to that person.
Which is like, look, that's her prerogative too.
If you want to be a cunt and start attacking this woman who's a very hilarious comedian for no reason, I think she should be able to say fuck you and do it publicly and say go get him to her fans.
But here's the point is, Milo never said that.
Milo literally never said go get him, but yet he was sort of held responsible for things that other people said.
There's so many crazy people out there.
The idea that you can control them and you can just say, people who like Brian Callen, you are responsible for those people.
You have to set a good example.
We're going to kick you off our platform.
That's essentially what they're saying.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's weird.
brendan schaub
It's their prerogative, though.
joe rogan
Pull up what he actually said.
bryan callen
I also think it's interesting.
joe rogan
Pull up what Milo actually said that got banned.
bryan callen
You know, you're not going to change.
We always have to remember that if you disagree with the other side, the idea is to try to get them to agree with you or try to come up with some kind of a consensus so you can move ideas forward and move the world forward.
And what we have with this kind of reaction to Milo is if you're going to do $100,000 worth of damage in your protest...
Well, that's fine.
And Milo will have to be escorted out and you won't listen to him and you close your mind.
You're not moving anything forward or making anything better, though.
You're just creating a big old division.
And I guess you guys can stay in your echo chamber.
They'll stay in their echo chamber and nobody will listen to each other and we won't learn anything.
joe rogan
Well, this is the product of being raised in this system, this two-party system, and this ridiculous idea that there's us and them, and now that they're in, there's this, you know, all people have to fight back, and you have to punch Nazis.
It's all this crazy shit that people are saying.
But when you listen to what Milo actually says, even if you disagree with him, which I do all the time, like, I disagree with a lot of what he's saying.
Sam Harris put it best.
He's like, half of it is like a performance.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like he seems insincere a lot of the times, and he's very acutely aware that he's generating a response.
And the things that he's saying that they're saying, like, you know, they're saying that he's racist, or he's this terrible white nationalist, or something like this, they're just making stuff up so that they can start attacking him more freely, because it's easier.
What he said is definitely controversial.
He said some of it is definitely rude.
Some of it is preposterous.
Some of it doesn't make any sense.
Like, he's pro-circumcision because he doesn't want dicks to have extra skin hanging off of him.
He says he'll fight with you about it.
You know?
He's a Catholic, I think he is.
I'm like, okay.
eddie bravo
That's funny.
joe rogan
You believe that?
He's like, absolutely.
Catholicism is the best religion.
It's the most amazing religion.
I'm super...
Like, he's crazy.
Okay.
Okay, so he started making fun of Jones.
He wrote an article, first of all, let's say one thing.
He wrote an article where he did a mean critique of the new Ghostbusters for women.
And he said essentially that it was like a feminist film.
And he pointed out some really important shit.
He's like, every guy in the movie is a fucking idiot.
And every woman saves the world.
And he's like, it's kind of ridiculous.
So he says...
So he writes this.
So she was getting hate mail from his response, I guess, from his thing.
Racial abuse that she was getting.
And he said, everyone gets hate mail for fuck's sake.
One tweet read.
Another one called Jones barely literate.
Later, she shared fake screenshots.
Oh, he shared fake screenshots that made it appear if Jones were making profane and offensive postings.
Twitter didn't say exactly why it banned Yiannopoulos, only telling Breitbart Ryder that he was permanently banned for violation of the company's rules, prohibiting participation in or exciting targeted abuse of individuals.
So, what makes that, like, okay, I could see, like, if he was retweeting things...
That were very rude.
I would love to see what those things were.
See how rude they were or maybe they were silly.
bryan callen
Let's see the tweets.
They were bad.
Can we see the actual tweets?
brendan schaub
They were crazy racist.
joe rogan
Click on that link there, Jamie.
Scroll back down.
See where it says, it made it appear if Jones were making profane and offensive postings?
Click on that.
Let's see what it looks like.
What was actually said.
This was not me.
Okay, okay.
Uncle Tom Fagnero needs to get his racist ass out my mentions.
Shit like this makes me think we need to gas these goddamn faggots to death.
Okay, so it's not really her.
brendan schaub
That's fake, yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody made a fake picture.
bryan callen
That's kind of fucked up to do to Leslie Jones.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's terrible.
Well, how do we know?
Okay, you gotta assume that he knew that that wasn't him, right?
brendan schaub
She posted one that he posted, right?
joe rogan
But hold on, hold on, hold on.
We gotta assume that...
Go back to that again, Jamie.
You gotta assume that he knew that that wasn't really her, right?
You don't think that he really thought she wrote that.
So if he retweets that, if that's a fake account, what's the difference?
Okay, so it's just a photo that someone put up.
bryan callen
Oh, did he make it or did he...
joe rogan
Someone else did it and he retweeted it.
He retweeted it, I guess.
Okay, so let's see what the other ones are.
bryan callen
Although it looks like it's verified.
It's Lesdog.
brendan schaub
So did he retweet this?
joe rogan
Someone sent it to him, and he retweeted it.
Okay, here's one.
Lesdog, your Ghostbusters isn't the first to have an ape in it.
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
That is super racist.
bryan callen
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bryan callen
It's awful.
joe rogan
So he retweeted that.
He retweeted that.
Okay.
Yeah, that's not cool.
That's pretty fucking rude.
brendan schaub
That's bad.
joe rogan
Okay, what else we got?
bryan callen
That's just shitty, man.
Just that makes me want to punch him.
joe rogan
Well, listen, he's definitely got some issues.
brendan schaub
He's a dick.
joe rogan
He's got some fucking issues.
Okay.
We're good.
He's a dick.
Well, he's definitely got some issues.
That's not a cool thing to do.
But what he's doing, he incites talk.
And because of that, his book is now number one on the Amazon bestseller list.
brendan schaub
What's he trying to accomplish?
What's his goal?
joe rogan
No one knows.
The book's not even out yet.
He's a really interesting guy in a lot of ways.
He's very smart.
I talked to him off air.
He's a very intelligent guy.
He's very cordial, very good to talk to.
I really enjoy talking to him.
And we joked around a lot when we did the podcast together because I grilled him about certain things that I think are ridiculous.
And eventually he gives in and starts laughing with you.
He's a very smart guy, but I don't know what he's doing.
I don't know if this is the real him, or if this is him doing a performance, or if it's a combination of both, or if he's finding himself in the midst of this hurricane of negativity and popularity, which would it be just assuming that he's bulletproof, that he can't be influenced by this fucking crazy ordeal that he's going through, and occasionally do shit that he shouldn't have done, like reposting some horrible racist thing?
unidentified
He's young.
joe rogan
I mean, he's maybe 30-something, right?
How old is my mom?
bryan callen
Yeah, you know, you made a point, that's a really interesting point you just said, made, about if this is, like, in transition.
Sure he is.
joe rogan
He's growing just like all of us are.
bryan callen
Yeah, and even, like, it depends on, you know you can catch somebody in a moment where they can sound, if you, they can sound not like themselves.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's young.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's young.
joe rogan
He's 33. Fucking smart dude, I'm telling you.
bryan callen
I believe it.
joe rogan
I just, like, yeah, I definitely disagree with retweeting that racist picture of Leslie Jones looking like a gorilla.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
This one guy who said something, he was at the theater in France that they shot up during a performance.
He was in the band, I believe.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Yeah, so remember when those guys opened fire from the stage?
brendan schaub
Oh, at the live concert.
bryan callen
Yes, at the live concert.
Death metal.
Yeah, death metal.
And he said something about Islam.
Right after that, he was emotional and people had died and it was his concert and he saw all kinds of stuff.
And he said something that they picked up.
And he did an interview because they just did a documentary on it.
And he said something really interesting.
They said, you said something about Islam.
Do you have any regret about that?
And it was pretty racist.
And he said, all right, well, look, first of all, I love people.
We have a lot of Muslim fans and everything else.
He said, what happened there was my emotions were so heightened...
And there was a span of time where I was thinking in a very emotional, uncharacteristic way that I usually am.
I was hot off of something tragic and I didn't even know how to make sense of it.
I don't want you to reread what I said because that's not who I am.
But in that sliver of time, that's how I was feeling and I lashed out in pain.
joe rogan
It's a very honest way of putting it.
unidentified
It is.
bryan callen
And I thought that's why we have to be careful about taking quotes and then applying that to a person's entire character, which we do all the fucking time.
brendan schaub
You say Milo made that quote?
joe rogan
Yeah, we do that all the time.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bryan callen
This was a guy in the band after he said something about his own.
But it made me think about that.
We do this all the time where we say, you said that one thing.
You said a sentence.
Let's highlight that and let's just say that's who the man is.
You've got to be careful with that.
brendan schaub
Sometimes you've got to be held accountable for what you're tweeting.
We can't always give everyone That's true, too.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
But we also have to recognize that, like, at 33 years of age, especially, dude, I was a moron when I was 33. And if I had gotten drunk and I decided to retweet some shit, thank God Twitter wasn't around then.
I would have said the stupidest shit.
brendan schaub
33's not that young, and if he's a smart guy...
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
You say stupid shit?
I stay stupid shit.
brendan schaub
I've never retweet anything racist.
joe rogan
I'm 33. No, you're not racist.
No, not at all.
brendan schaub
But with him, this is a pattern.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
You don't get a free pass for being 33. But here's the thing, man.
His whole thing is courting controversy.
That's essentially what he's doing.
By saying feminism is cancer, he's organizing a fistfight.
He's calling them out, and he's organizing a verbal fistfight.
He has to be saved.
He's probably on Adderall, so he's talking 100 miles an hour.
He's really articulate, and he's gay, and he looks fabulous.
And he's got bleach blonde hair, and he wears weird clothes.
unidentified
Can I see a picture?
joe rogan
And when he's killing it, like on stage, he's a very good orator.
So he's engaging them in these debates that he's got carefully thought out responses, carefully thought out sentences about- So he knows what he's doing.
He definitely knows what he's doing.
brendan schaub
There you go.
joe rogan
He definitely knows what he's doing.
brendan schaub
He's fucking smart as shit.
bryan callen
How was your conversation with Henry Rollins, speaking of articulately?
joe rogan
He's getting a little pointy with this racism thing.
Look at him.
bryan callen
There he is.
unidentified
Oh, look at him.
joe rogan
Oh, I love that hair.
bryan callen
He's a good looking guy.
joe rogan
He's a handsome fella.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, he's handsome.
joe rogan
Profound love of black dick.
He talks about it all the time.
brendan schaub
He just loves black dick.
joe rogan
Which is also one more way that they have a hard time attacking him.
Because he's a gay Jew that loves black dick.
Like, he's got the spectrum covered.
He's like, there's a triangle of invincibility that's around him.
unidentified
Mmm.
Brian's not...
joe rogan
These are good.
bryan callen
Yeah, they're good.
joe rogan
That's what you're talking.
unidentified
That's the one time Brian's not talking.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was waiting for Brian to go off.
Oh, man.
Have I been happy on this podcast?
brendan schaub
No, no, you're all right.
No, you're good.
joe rogan
Here, man, I think you can't...
This is what fascism is.
You can't...
This is what fascism is.
You can't enforce your view of the world on people through violence because that's what you're doing when you're a fascist.
And that's what people need to understand.
Like, you can't just use the verb fascist when it applies to right-wing people.
If you're keeping people from communicating, if you're keeping a gay Jew from talking shit on your stage, and you can't just counter what he's saying with someone who's better at talking shit that has better points, so instead, you want to throw a chair through the window at fucking Starbucks?
Look, stop.
You guys are fascists.
I know you don't think you're fascist, even if you think you're right.
The way you're doing it is 100% wrong.
This isn't a...
The guy's not a Nazi.
He's not someone who's...
Even if he's said a racist thing in the past, he's not the first.
Every fucking comedian has said racist shit.
Les Dogg herself had a bunch of racist shit they pulled off of her Twitter page.
We don't hate her for that.
She had a bunch of shit about white people, just generalizing about white people in general.
If you ever did that about black people, you would get blackballed from Hollywood for life.
bryan callen
Of course.
joe rogan
But we allow a certain amount of stupid shit to come out of people's mouths if we think that you're not a bad person.
bryan callen
Yeah, and if you disagree with somebody, the way you beat a bad idea...
It's with a better idea.
joe rogan
What you don't do is you don't start this fucking meme of punch Nazis.
Like, everybody keeps saying punch Nazis.
Like, don't say that.
You're talking stupid shit.
brendan schaub
Did you see that guy get punched on air, though?
unidentified
Girls are getting maced.
joe rogan
Did you see that girl get maced in the face?
No.
She had a Make Bitcoin Great Again hat, and they came up and maced her in the face because it looked like a Make America Great Again hat.
Doesn't matter, man.
They maced her in the face.
A guy hit her in the head with a sign and another guy maced her in the face.
brendan schaub
God, they're ruthless.
Tell you who they weren't ruthless with is our boy Jake Shields.
He was at the protest.
joe rogan
He's lucky he didn't get maced.
brendan schaub
He's lucky he didn't get maced in the face and they ran the train on him.
bryan callen
You need more than maced to fight Jake Shields if you're just a regular protester.
joe rogan
The problem with maced is you can't see.
And if people just jump on you and you can't see.
Look, Jake could probably jack 90% of them that come anywhere near Not with mates, though.
If you can't see and someone hits you over the back of the head with something, these fucking people are doing exactly what they would hate.
And when I see people, there's people that have been calling out for a coup.
They're calling out for a military coup.
I've seen more than one person say this.
Like, the military needs to step in and take our country back.
And I'm like, holy shit, is this a Patrick Swayze movie from the 80s?
bryan callen
Well, they're thinking exactly the way a fascist would or a tyrant would.
They just have a different target.
That's what I always say.
It's amazing how many people think exactly like their enemy.
Exactly like their enemy.
I want to kill all of them or whatever.
And yet, the only difference is they have a different target.
joe rogan
Well, it's crazy when you have a legitimate contest.
You had a legitimate popularity contest and one guy wins.
And you're not happy that the guy wins, so you want to start riots.
Like, you might have fucked up and not voted, or you might not have done such a good job of picking a candidate, or you might have had the wrong campaign, but you have to accept when someone wins, otherwise there's no fucking point in having this contest.
We have this contest every four years, and if you don't accept who won, as long as there's not...
The cheating, whatever the cheating happened, it probably happened on both sides.
Whatever legal shit they got away with, whatever shenanigans, and the PR they did to him with the whole grab-em-by-the-pussy thing and all that.
I mean, there's...
There's attacks left and right on both sides.
He came out ahead.
People aren't happy.
I understand that people aren't happy, but you can't think that you can start a riot now because you didn't want him to be in there.
They had a stupid fucking contest.
He won the stupid fucking contest.
The problem is you're having a stupid fucking contest to see who runs the world.
bryan callen
And also it's important to have a little compassion for the other side in this terms.
I constantly hear Trump voters being characterized as homophobes, rednecks, dumb hillbillies, and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Because they're in there.
They're in the mix.
bryan callen
They're in the mix on both sides and both categories.
Here's the thing.
It might also be worth taking a little bit of a human approach and looking at Trump voters.
Maybe a lot of Trump voters, maybe a lot of Trump voters who are good people didn't like Trump that much either, but they liked Hillary way less.
Or maybe Hillary's talking the way Obama has been for the past eight years and their lives haven't changed.
For sure.
They were desperate to see anything else work.
Be a little compassionate on why a lot of people voted for Trump.
Because remember, this country voted a black president and a lot of those voters were white two times in a row.
joe rogan
In order for him to have won, you have to have some people that voted for Obama in the last term that voted for Trump this term.
bryan callen
Correct!
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that thought it would be a better thing to have him other than her.
bryan callen
Yeah, so they're not all racist.
They're not all homophobes.
That's why I was always really careful about...
I was always critical of Trump.
I was very careful not to be critical of Trump voters because...
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're not being honest because there are dummies in there too.
Just like there's dummies in the Hillary camp.
And that's why those stereotypes exist.
When you talk about the latte-sipping Hillary supporters who literally know nothing about what are the negative things she's done.
If you say anything about her, you're a sexist.
I mean, there's a lot of that going on too.
Those are real people.
Like, the real ridiculous people on the left and the right, they're all real.
You know, so the hillbillies that love Trump, dude, I've seen it, man.
I saw a video where this guy got pulled over in an altercation with this guy, hitting this other guy, got in sort of a traffic altercation, and this guy comes up to his window.
He's calling him the N-word, and he's saying, Trump, man, I'm with Trump.
Trump's the president now.
And it's that type of person.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
There are people like that that want to let you know that this is their guy now because they're white and that this is like a racist thing.
Their race is winning.
eddie bravo
You think there was KKK people that voted for Hillary?
Like a special group?
joe rogan
No chance.
eddie bravo
KKK for Hillary?
joe rogan
How many KKK people are there?
Let's be honest.
How many just straight up racists and how many KKK people?
brendan schaub
2,000?
Official KKK members.
unidentified
I don't even know if they're racists.
eddie bravo
I think they're just dicks.
bryan callen
There are a lot of just dicks.
unidentified
Maybe 200,000.
brendan schaub
I'm sorry.
200,000 I thought I saw.
eddie bravo
Okay.
That sounds...
I wouldn't doubt if there was a million.
In the South?
joe rogan
I think there's definitely probably a million racists.
unidentified
I'm talking about official KKK. Ku Klux Klan members.
joe rogan
Joining an organization is annoying.
How many UFC fans are there?
There's a lot.
But if you had to join an organization to be a UFC fan, there'd be far less of us.
brendan schaub
You mean buying a pay-per-view?
joe rogan
No, if you had to wear a hood and go to a fucking flame.
You had to go to a bonfire.
5,000.
unidentified
What?!
joe rogan
More than 40 different Klan groups exist, many having multiple chapters or claverns.
That's cute.
Incuting a few that boast a presence in a large number of states.
There are over 100 different Klan chapters around the country with a combined strength in members and associates that may total around 5,000.
brendan schaub
I said 2,000.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, they're a little bigger than 10th Planet.
bryan callen
It's a little bigger.
eddie bravo
I'm on their ass, though!
unidentified
Fuck the KKK. That is so crazy.
bryan callen
I don't even know if they're smart enough to be anything.
I think that they are, a lot of people are just sort of guys who want to be part of a group, and they've been told something, they don't do any research, and they're just dicks.
I mean, there are a lot of just shitheads who want to be part of a hate group.
joe rogan
A lot of the problem with black versus white is the same problem as left versus right.
Black versus white and left versus right share that fucking team thing, man.
They share that team thing, and white people want to think that they're on one team, and black people want to think that they're on another team, and we fuck each other up doing that.
It's so stupid.
bryan callen
Human beings are very tribal.
I mean, anthropologists tell you that all the time, that human beings are tribal.
joe rogan
It's about time this generation has cut the shit.
bryan callen
No, absolutely not.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
bryan callen
Well, I'll tell you why.
joe rogan
You don't think it's about time?
bryan callen
You know, with Jared Diamond, who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel, he's a great, amazing guy, and he said that he, fascinating, when they were studying different tribes in Papua New Guinea that had been isolated, so they weren't really influenced by Western culture at all, and what would happen was they'd have two tribes that would get along really well, and they even intermarried, and they shared things and everything else, and as soon as There became scarce resources like water or game.
And one side's very existence started to get threatened.
So, for example, maybe this one tribe's closer to a water source.
And the other water source dried up.
So what'll happen is, it's really amazing, is very quickly the tribes will start making up stories about each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've talked about this before on another podcast.
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked about this.
unidentified
You did.
joe rogan
You talked about how they decided in a very short amount of time the other people were bad and they went over and killed them.
bryan callen
Yeah, so I think that's human nature, man.
And I think when you start talking about getting along, getting along until you can't afford certain shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can now.
That's the whole point.
Like, right now, life has never been easier.
So what I'm saying is, it's about time that this generation, like, figure out that people are just people.
That it's fucking stupid for all redheaded people to join together and form a clan of fellow people.
brendan schaub
That's obviously not working.
bryan callen
I agree with that.
joe rogan
It's just so stupid.
bryan callen
I think that's getting through.
joe rogan
It is.
It is.
bryan callen
It is getting through.
joe rogan
And it's more getting through today, I think, than ever before in history.
bryan callen
Because of the internet, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, because even if you go back and watch those old Bugs Bunny cartoons, you know which ones they don't show?
Well, they don't show that dude that much.
I bet they show it a lot.
brendan schaub
They don't show Pepe Le Pew either.
joe rogan
It's rapist.
He's a little rapist.
That skunk is a rapist motherfucker.
Fuck that cat, remember?
He was just trying to kill that cat.
Always.
You imagine if you went outside and a skunk was trying to fuck your cat?
Like your favorite cat and some wild skunk.
brendan schaub
Just all up on her all the time?
joe rogan
Like your sweet cat that you pet behind her ears and she purrs.
You love her.
This dirty skunk, this fucking chicken-eating monster.
Skunks eat chickens, by the way.
Yeah, they break into chicken coops.
unidentified
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Caught one trying to get into my chicken coop.
bryan callen
They're carnivorous?
joe rogan
What'd you do with them?
They're a 100% predator.
Skunks are predators.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we think of them as they eat ground-nesting birds, rats, rodents, chickens.
They'll fuck up your chicken.
He couldn't get in.
He couldn't get in when we chased him off, though.
He stunk up my whole fucking yard.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Were you the one who showed me the deer eating the birds that were stuck in the fence?
joe rogan
Yeah, they eat birds.
eddie bravo
Isn't it weird that you could be driving on the goddamn freeway with your windows rolled up, airtight, and pass through a cloud of skunk?
brendan schaub
And you smell.
eddie bravo
How does it get through the goddamn world?
unidentified
How does it get through?
joe rogan
I'll tell you exactly how.
unidentified
How is it so strong?
joe rogan
The same way, the skunk smell is so strong that your reaction to it is like a bloodhound's reaction to a person's scent.
It's like electricity?
That's how we can understand how a bloodhound works.
And a bloodhound's probably even better than that.
But in parts per million, whether or not you can detect it, skunk smell is so bad that in parts per million, they can shoot it in a backyard and you could smell it literally a mile away.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, that's how a dog works.
Like a good bloodhound, they'll fucking smell you a mile away.
They just gotta figure out where it's coming from.
They'll run that way.
Nope, it's getting weaker.
They'll go run that way.
Nope, it's getting stronger.
eddie bravo
You think it's electrical?
joe rogan
No, it's a smell.
It's particles.
eddie bravo
How does it go through the glass?
joe rogan
How do you breathe, Eddie?
You would run out of air if that thing was airtight.
Do you understand that air is coming into your car?
eddie bravo
It's not airtight?
Well, how come you don't feel the breeze when you're driving?
joe rogan
Because it goes through a whole system that's inside your dash.
eddie bravo
You would feel a breeze.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It gets backed up.
It gets backed up.
And then it comes through filters.
Like, you can open the filters so the vents come through, and then you can actually feel the breeze blow on you when you're on the highway.
Or you can close that shit.
But air still gets in.
It still gets into the cabin.
eddie bravo
I'm going to guess that it's electrical.
joe rogan
Hey, Eddie, come on, man.
Well, you should definitely guess.
brendan schaub
Unless you're driving a Flintstone car.
eddie bravo
There's no libraries by my house, guys.
joe rogan
You should definitely guess.
eddie bravo
You guys are lucky.
You guys want to have libraries right next to your house.
bryan callen
The library is closed.
joe rogan
You should go online with your phone.
Just stay off YouTube.
eddie bravo
How about that?
brendan schaub
Go online with your slave phone.
joe rogan
Stay off Flat Earth 69's YouTube page.
bryan callen
Yeah, with your phone made by slave labor.
I'm going to throw this away to prove that I don't believe in slavery.
brendan schaub
Let's all throw away our iPhones.
joe rogan
They've made these phones.
What was the name of that company that made phones that were sustainably resourced?
What was the company called?
It was like Ethical Phones.
They tried to make some green phone.
Or, it's okay, man.
This guy makes 50 bucks an hour, and everybody's happy.
And they have families.
They work three days a week.
bryan callen
Wait, wait.
Isn't the material used...
Isn't that mine in the Congo?
joe rogan
The sticks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Little kids with sticks have to pull it out of the rocks.
bryan callen
Well...
joe rogan
It's Coltrane.
Yeah.
bryan callen
I gotta talk to my mom.
joe rogan
They get it in a couple different places.
Guess where else they get it?
Afghanistan.
Afghanistan.
They found trillions of dollars worth of minerals in Afghanistan.
Hey guys, I can't believe this is here.
Amazing.
It's like they had a whole X on a fucking map.
The Russians were digging.
We were digging.
Then finally, hey guys, can't even believe this.
But guess what?
There's like trillions of dollars worth of minerals here.
Trillions!
eddie bravo
I bet they're just saying that.
They're just there for the opium.
And they're like, no, no, there's minerals here.
It's endless.
We just struck minerals.
joe rogan
See, this is where there's a flaw in your thinking.
They're going to take both of those things.
They want both of those things.
The opium for fucking sure.
You know, Sturgill Simpson played a song on Saturday Night Live about the opium trade.
They let him get away with it.
Talking about how Afghanistan is like a front for it.
brendan schaub
They probably didn't know the lyrics.
bryan callen
That economy is run by opium production.
joe rogan
He's also a country music star.
brendan schaub
That's all good.
He killed it on the Grammys.
bryan callen
They grow a lot of poppies.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
They grow 96% of the world's opium.
And we're over there.
For sure, just for freedom.
bryan callen
Freedom.
joe rogan
We don't care about opium or even minerals.
Are those minerals here?
Wow, amazing.
We're going to pull out, but we're going to leave behind a vacuum.
A big-ass hose.
We go down to a battleship.
We're going to fill that motherfucker up with heroin every six months.
eddie bravo
Can't you just grow heroin in the United States in greenhouses?
Can't you grow anything in a greenhouse?
joe rogan
It's not viable.
Hold on, what is that?
Jamie, would you just pull up?
Extra cost to make Google phone in the U.S. only four bucks?
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
Not the iPhone, though.
The iPhone would cost $2,000.
joe rogan
Which phone is that?
jamie vernon
This is a Moto X a couple years ago.
bryan callen
I'm going to the bathroom.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, that's a good phone.
It's only $4 more.
jamie vernon
The biggest cost it says is that in China they have, at least maybe in one plant, up to 30,000 industrial engineers to help the workers if something goes wrong.
eddie bravo
Dude, they're saving mad cash.
They're saving mad cash in China.
joe rogan
Well, not just saving mad cash.
They also know what the fuck they're doing.
They've been doing it for a long time.
If you started that up in the United States, there'd be a lot of trial and error.
You'd have to be willing to throw away a lot of money.
eddie bravo
Dude, the glitches, the bugs, the phones would be shit.
Come on, man.
Think about it.
joe rogan
It'd be like an American car in the 80s.
brendan schaub
They said an iPhone in America, first to build it now, would cost $2,000 with our resources.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I take that back now.
unidentified
You know what?
eddie bravo
You're right.
joe rogan
But what does it cost now?
It costs $1,000, right?
brendan schaub
Well, now the new iPhone's like $700, right?
unidentified
Yeah, that's the comparison I do.
joe rogan
What is an iPhone 7S? What does that cost?
unidentified
They haven't made that yet.
Are they going to put that auxiliary input back in on the next one?
eddie bravo
Are they going to ever bring that back to your auxiliary input?
joe rogan
No, man.
You can get an adapter.
I use adapters.
You know, you get a lightning adapter, sticks it in, has a regular hole in the bottom of it.
Pretty simple, works good.
brendan schaub
The iPhone 8, it's supposed to be flip-capable.
They're bringing out the flip.
joe rogan
Flip?
There's a lot of rumors out right now.
Come on.
jamie vernon
They said it's going to be no plugs to it, and it's all wireless charging, which is maybe or maybe not true right now.
joe rogan
It's going to be terrible.
Electricity's going to be in the air.
We're all going to die.
That's what, when Tesla was talking about putting electricity in the air, having it out there like radio, you're going to generate things, we're going to be walking around with Tesla coils bouncing off us.
brendan schaub
Come on.
joe rogan
That could have been real.
unidentified
Aren't we already walking through a sea of electricity?
joe rogan
Isn't that already happening?
There's definitely a lot of electricity around us, and there's definitely Wi-Fi in this room.
eddie bravo
We might be in an ocean of electromagnetism, right?
Yeah, bro.
Think about that.
What's powering you?
Your muscles?
Your muscles are powering you?
We're like plugged into some electrical outlet.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is?
Electricity is definitely a part of us.
There's a lot of shit going on.
There's water, that's important.
Electricity that conducts through the water.
There's all the vitamins that you have to eat in order to keep your...
eddie bravo
But what's keeping the electricity in us?
Think about that.
joe rogan
Jesus.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
unidentified
JC. Nothing but the love of Jesus.
eddie bravo
I think we're running on wireless electricity already.
joe rogan
For sure.
eddie bravo
That's just my guess.
That's my guess.
brendan schaub
We're like a bunch of cricket phones.
joe rogan
Do you think that Wi-Fi and cell phone signals and all the signals that are around us all the time that just didn't exist when people were first created?
It can't be healthy.
How bad is it?
We're not dying from Wi-Fi, right?
brendan schaub
We have no idea.
Because remember the Bluetooth that you put to your ear?
Like, ah, I probably shouldn't do that.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Or didn't they find that cell phones were bad?
Like, sleep next to them, put it next to your ear?
joe rogan
Yeah, people say that it fucks with your karma.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or your chi.
One of them fake things.
eddie bravo
Well, what happened to brain tumors?
You know, talking on cell phones.
Did they let that go or is that real?
joe rogan
But didn't, what's her name, the fucking singer?
Didn't she have, um, all I wanna do is have some- Sheryl Crow.
Didn't Sheryl Crow say that she got a brain tumor from doing press on a cell phone in the 90s?
She thinks that's who gave it to her because it's on the same side of her head?
brendan schaub
What kind of fucking press store were you wanting?
joe rogan
Here's what's crazy.
I talked to a dude who had cancer of his bone in his hip, and it was right where he kept his cell phone.
And the doctor said that there's recurring instances that he's dealing with of people that had cell phones.
This guy had to get a bone graft, bro.
He had to cut a cancerous chunk.
brendan schaub
Clip on the side?
joe rogan
They had to cut a cancerous chunk of his bone off, and then they had to put a bone graft from somewhere else in there and fill it back in place.
And he was saying that this doctor was telling them that all these guys that come in and they have those hip things, their cell phones on, like that's the side where they would get cancer.
eddie bravo
Most girls usually put their phone in their back pocket.
You're going to see a lot of ass tumors.
brendan schaub
Could be, dude.
joe rogan
Could be.
brendan schaub
Well, we'll get some dick tumors.
joe rogan
But wouldn't your fingers get the most tumors?
Yes.
Well, where's the hand cancer?
Because my hands feel good.
brendan schaub
Yeah, my hands do feel nice.
joe rogan
It just doesn't seem to be bothering anybody.
No one's getting hands cancer.
You know, maybe you just got a weak hip bone, you fucking pussy.
Maybe you need to walk it off.
brendan schaub
Yeah, maybe it's just a coincidence.
Maybe you shouldn't clip your goddamn cell phone to your hip like a psycho.
joe rogan
But did you see Sheryl Crow?
Did you find that article?
unidentified
No shit.
She actually had benign cancer, and she didn't want to get the tumor removed.
joe rogan
Whoa, but she got a tumor in her dome on the same side as where her cell phone was, and that's why she thought that it was from doing press.
brendan schaub
Super skeptical hippo face.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Back when there was no internet, you know, and you had to do press for a radio, or for radio, and you had to do press for an album that was coming out, you just call people up and do interviews, and that's what you did.
Look at this.
Sheryl Crow, my brain tumor may be related to cell phone use.
See?
They chose a fucked up picture of her too.
She must have been drunk there.
brendan schaub
God, dog.
Just fucking spray tanned up.
joe rogan
There are no doctors that will confirm that.
Said Crowe.
50 said Monday while appealing on the premiere of Katie, the new syndicated talk show hosted by Katie Couric.
Hilarious.
I do have a theory that it's possible that it's related to that.
I used to spend hours on the old archaic cell phones.
Well, she's probably right.
brendan schaub
There's no doctors that will even confirm that.
eddie bravo
You know what?
But it's...
brendan schaub
Part of a brain where she often held her phone.
bryan callen
Have you ever noticed?
eddie bravo
Everyone holds it there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, let's chalk it up to something else.
joe rogan
But it might be true, though.
brendan schaub
Could be the sun.
joe rogan
Maybe it is.
But it could be that that's what happened.
That's totally possible.
That she had that phone up to her head and rotted her brain.
brendan schaub
It's a stretch.
eddie bravo
You would hear more about more cases.
brendan schaub
Well, the doctors agree with me.
eddie bravo
Maybe there's a cover-up.
Maybe there's a cover-up.
bryan callen
It's hard to cover up because a lot of people are trying to test it.
Here's the other problem.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I'm just guessing.
bryan callen
Maybe the doctor works for Apple.
joe rogan
Are you going to just talk over them or are you going to let them talk?
bryan callen
I'm listening to him because he's getting me thinking about something because he's talking about...
joe rogan
Here you go.
bryan callen
Like a cover-up.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
He was in the middle of talking.
You just force over him.
eddie bravo
Just bullshitting.
brendan schaub
Well, you might be right.
Maybe the doctors work for Apple or...
unidentified
I don't know.
eddie bravo
I just want to know what happened to that.
I mean, you would think it is.
I would believe that it is dangerous.
I don't know.
But maybe it's not.
I hope it's not.
I hope that's all bullshit.
But, I mean, does anybody fucking know?
brendan schaub
They don't know yet.
joe rogan
Well, they haven't been around that long.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, how long have people been using cell phones the way we're using them now, where you're constantly on them?
eddie bravo
20 years.
joe rogan
No.
Has it been normally?
brendan schaub
8 years?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
No, it's more than that.
eddie bravo
Yeah, during the 90s, you had those...
Ten years?
bryan callen
No.
eddie bravo
Remember, you had 20 minutes a month?
bryan callen
My iPhone came out in like 07 or 08. A smartphone.
unidentified
Something like that.
brendan schaub
Because smartphones were the thing that did it.
joe rogan
Was it 07 or 08?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So from then on, people are slowly but surely getting more and more integrated into using that electronic device and constantly being near there.
Because before that, there was no Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram or any of that.
eddie bravo
Three weekends.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was no answering questions on Google.
And also, you could text and send calls forever.
There was no internet until 2007. Nobody was going online with their phone before that.
bryan callen
People were still on their phone, weren't they?
joe rogan
No, not like now.
bryan callen
I remember you got the Trio.
joe rogan
Yeah, piece of shit.
brendan schaub
That's why Blackberry was so important, because of the email.
No one was on the phone.
You're not on your phone a ton texting.
bryan callen
Actually, people have had their phones at their heads for longer, since like what?
Since probably 92?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what Sheryl Crow was saying.
You know, Sheryl Crow became popular in 94. I remember that because I had just come to LA and all I wanted to do was have some fun was like on the radio back then.
It was a big jam.
So those phones were just, they might as well have been plutonium in a fucking big gulf cup.
brendan schaub
Well, they're like this.
joe rogan
You held those bitches over your head.
bryan callen
But actually, I read this thing about how when radiation, like from a phone or whatever, I guess the idea is that it can break apart certain, like, mitochondria or DNA strand.
What is it?
Sounds like some bullshit, too.
It disrupts certain...
joe rogan
Did you get that from the library, bro?
bryan callen
No, I fucking can't remember.
It disrupts things, and that process can actually cause sometimes cancer.
So it's pretty hard to kind of draw a through line because there's so many different causes of cancer.
joe rogan
Well, also, there's the reality that what causes cancer to you is not going to cause cancer to him versus not going to cause cancer to another person.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
And what would make you sick, everybody has their own weird biological makeup.
Hell yeah.
Some people are super susceptible to all sorts of weird diseases that other people aren't.
And there's also environmental factors.
Maybe where you work is kind of fucked up, too.
Maybe you're working in a gas station or something like that, or you're doing auto repair and you're fucking breathing in paint fumes and shit, and then on top of that, you're dealing with that.
That could just be a combination of factors.
It kills your immune system.
bryan callen
It's like when you smoke cigarettes, not everybody who smokes even a lot for a lifetime gets lung cancer.
Some people just don't.
joe rogan
They live in their 90s smoking cigarettes.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But then, you know, there's also the reality of living anywhere in high population centers.
You're being poisoned.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody around us is being poisoned.
unidentified
You think we're poisoned?
joe rogan
Fuck yes, 100%.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
When you come over that hill and you look down into the valley and everything is brown as fuck, you are breathing that.
You are 100% Breathing.
bryan callen
And your household chemicals.
joe rogan
You don't see it when you get down.
But you know how I can tell?
Because there's a place near, like, there's a place where you drive over between, like...
Topanga and like DeSoto, like that area, where you could like look over and you could see the mountains sometimes.
Like maybe like Winnetka, coming down the 101. You can see the mountains sometimes.
And sometimes you don't see the mountains.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
The fucking shit hides mountains!
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
The snow.
Giant, snow-covered mountains that you could get lost on and die in.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you don't see it at all.
You just see brown.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're breathing that.
That's right.
100%.
eddie bravo
It's been like that forever in LA. It's crazy.
It's the valley.
It holds in.
bryan callen
It's a mixture, too.
joe rogan
But it's way worse now than it was back when people were on horses and shit.
eddie bravo
You know what Bud Brutzman told me?
Old friend of ours, producer guy, he said that before people even settled in Southern California, the Indians called Southern California the land of the smoke.
bryan callen
Yeah, valley of the smoke.
eddie bravo
Yeah, valley, something like that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And you see, I've noticed this since I was a kid, sometimes you can't see the mountains.
There's too much smog, and then a storm happens, and then everything's clear.
And then it's just a cycle.
I thought that we were going to come to a day where it would never clear up.
It would just be so bad after 20 years, but it's actually still the same.
joe rogan
Like Mexico City.
bryan callen
Oh, it's gotten way better.
The air quality in Los Angeles is way better.
joe rogan
Cars are way better.
bryan callen
Yeah, cars are cleaner.
eddie bravo
Yeah, so eventually the wind just will clean it.
joe rogan
Here's a real crazy fact.
eddie bravo
More population.
joe rogan
A Porsche 911 Turbo, the air that comes out is cleaner than the air that goes in if you're driving in L.A. What's a fact?
bryan callen
Wait, wait, wait.
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
Porsche 911 Turbo.
eddie bravo
What?
joe rogan
Its carbon emissions are so low that the air that it takes in into those turbochargers, goes through the combustion engine, and comes out the exhaust is actually cleaner than the air it's taking in.
bryan callen
How about this crazy statistic?
The average car...
The average car on the 70s emitted more pollution sitting without its engine on in a driveway because of fuel evaporation than the average car on the highway today in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Totally makes sense.
bryan callen
That's brand new.
joe rogan
You remember we used to hear the gas slosh around back there?
Yeah.
If you had a car, like an old car, and you took a turn, you went a little sideways, you'd hear the gas slosh around the back of your fucking shitty car.
bryan callen
Carburetors before we had catalytic converters.
joe rogan
Oh, you smelled it inside the car.
You had to roll the windows down when you were on the highway.
It's not bad, right?
It's like magic markers.
brendan schaub
I dig that stuff.
Sharpies, I'll smell Sharpies.
joe rogan
So anybody that's worried about being poisoned, you're definitely being poisoned.
We're breathing in brake dust, 100%.
It's not good for you, and it's going to shorten your life.
It might only shorten your life by a few years.
It might make the last few years of your life more uncomfortable.
But if you go somewhere where this is not the case, you go to like fucking Deer Valley, Utah, you go hang out up there, look out over the mountains, breathe the air.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
Then live there?
bryan callen
Hey, my parents live there.
brendan schaub
Just kill me three years early, I'm gonna party.
joe rogan
That's why I brought it up.
It's awesome up there.
bryan callen
They love it.
joe rogan
Dude, it's beautiful up there, man.
brendan schaub
It's cool to visit.
joe rogan
No, the problem is we gotta get more cool people to live up in a place like that.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
That's what you gotta do.
Like, we're in the wrong spot.
Like, the people that we know are all awesome, but we're definitely in the wrong spot.
The only thing that's good about this spot is that it's warm, there's no bugs.
But the real problem is, it's warm, there's no bugs.
So everyone loves it.
Like, one of the reasons why the Indians call this a valley of smoke is, like, fire is fucking normal for here.
Things are supposed to burn down, and then they build back better.
I mean, this is like, it clears out an entire forest.
Controlled burns is something that forest services do because you have to burn down a certain amount of the old shit.
Otherwise, it just becomes kindling.
And then when the fires do come, they're unmanageable.
And then on top of that, the carbon needs to fucking be recirculated into the earth.
It's a good thing to have these burns.
And that happened for millions of years.
And now because there's no burns, it changes the environment.
There's places that they used to have burns and now they control them.
So then the forest goes away.
And you just got these big...
Dry-ass, grassy, shitty areas over hundreds of years of doing this.
It's so weird, man.
The way people live, we think that we can just stay in one spot, and this spot's gonna be fine.
That's never been the case anywhere on Earth!
brendan schaub
So we're just supposed to move constantly?
joe rogan
We're supposed to be nomadic.
unidentified
You have to move.
brendan schaub
Ah, that's back in the day.
joe rogan
No, dude.
You can't stay right next to the ocean.
That fucking...
That Malibu coast is a joke.
bryan callen
But I own property.
joe rogan
Those people with the fucking...
Oh, look, I've got a cement post.
This is my spot.
unidentified
Bitch, you're on the edge of the great water.
joe rogan
Just...
unidentified
Right next to you is a giant monster of water.
joe rogan
It's miles deep.
It's three quarters of the surface of the earth.
And you're like, the edge is mine.
Get off.
Don't you frizz me in front of my edge.
We like pick a spot like some crazy stupid crab that's like locked itself on a reef and it's cleaning the reef as its own.
That's what we're like.
We're like standing by the ocean with your $20 million house in Malibu, kicking surfers off your front.
Like, you're buying the great water!
You think that's gonna stay there?
Get the fuck out!
Go to the hills!
At any time, there could be an earthquake and a big wave.
unidentified
The one that goes all the way to Arizona can come over the top.
eddie bravo
Have you ever went to Malibu and checked any houses out?
joe rogan
Yeah, I lived in Malibu for a while.
bryan callen
You didn't like the waves, right?
joe rogan
Yes, dude.
No, no, no, no.
My daughter broke her arm at school, and we couldn't stay at this place because it had staircases that were really steep, and there was one that went down to the ocean.
It was one of them electric stairs, and it was broken.
And so it only went like this.
So you had to climb it like a fucking ladder.
It was sketchy as fuck to get down to the ocean.
And it just was too dangerous where her arm was broken.
brendan schaub
You love Malibu, though.
I remember that.
joe rogan
I love the air.
I love the looking at the ocean.
But I don't want to live there.
I don't want to live next to the big water monster.
brendan schaub
I do.
joe rogan
Because when you're at high, this is what happened with me and the missus.
We got high one night and went downstairs.
There's this downstairs to this house.
It's like literally the water's coming in right under the house.
bryan callen
That's scary.
joe rogan
And we were sitting there, and me and her were looking out the window.
And I looked at her, and I go, fuck.
Fuck this place.
brendan schaub
A little too high, maybe.
joe rogan
I was like, fuck this place.
No, no, no, no.
You realize what it really is.
Like, when you're right there at night in a house overlooking the ocean, it's real nature reveals itself to you.
Because you can be really complacent when you see everything.
See, when it's light out, you see everything.
You look up, the sun's shining, the clouds are moving, you see birds.
unidentified
Ah!
Ah!
joe rogan
You look down at the ocean and you go, wow, this is so cool.
It's so calming being by the ocean.
But when you're at night, it's black and there's nothing out there and you realize, oh my God, that's all water!
eddie bravo
I'm scared.
joe rogan
We rented it for three months.
I stayed there five times.
eddie bravo
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Well, part of it was because my daughter broke her arm, but part of me was like, oh, God's so high that I realized the nature of it.
It is a big, dark monster of water that is totally unfeeling and teeming with life.
And, most likely, if you look at the habits of nature, most likely, when things become too dominant, something comes along and tries to take them out.
When things take too much from one environment, they wind up starving or going extinct.
This is like the constant cycle of life, right?
unidentified
Here we are.
joe rogan
Here we are, standing next to this great wall of life that we've been Sucking out with nets.
Killing everything.
Could you imagine if you could go back 500 years and just look under the water and see what it looked like and then go back to today and look under the water and see all the fish gone?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like how many fish there must have been a thousand years ago?
bryan callen
Huge dead zones.
Huge dead zones we've created.
joe rogan
Do you imagine how clean it must have been everywhere before we were pumping our shit?
bryan callen
When I was scuba diving in Tahiti just a couple months ago, you look out and all you see is fucking schools of fish.
It's like Finding Nemo.
There's no difference.
I swear to God, you see sharks.
I looked and I go, there are four sharks there, lemon sharks.
joe rogan
That's probably what it was always like.
bryan callen
Dude, it's like teaming with life.
joe rogan
That was probably the whole ocean.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
At one point in time.
bryan callen
The coral, when you touch the coral, like there are things in the coral, like he told me to just put your fingers, and it was this big flower, it was beautiful, and it just went and disappeared.
brendan schaub
Oh, like Avatar.
bryan callen
Like a magic thing.
It's the most magic.
Scuba diving, I was down there for so long that I almost got nitrogen poisoning.
Really pleasant way to die, actually.
You just, you go, you just, people will take their regular out and give it to the fish so they can breathe, and you just die.
You die super slick.
joe rogan
Not me, bitch.
bryan callen
I'm going to make it to the surface.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm going to figure it out.
bryan callen
But I was down there for two hours, man.
You know what you never see when you scuba dive?
What fish?
What do you think?
What animal do you never see?
unidentified
Blue whale.
joe rogan
Chickens.
unidentified
Walruses.
bryan callen
You can see seals.
You never see...
Not at blue whale.
You can see whales.
You never see dolphins.
Because they don't like the bubbles.
And I talked to the guy who's been scuba diving for 40 years.
I said, you ever seen dolphins?
He goes, never.
brendan schaub
They're too smart.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
So they see the bubbles and it's probably louder than them.
bryan callen
I guess they just don't like it.
joe rogan
Probably sounds like shit.
And then they probably don't like it that you could stay under.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They probably don't like it when you go to the top and get the fuck out of there.
I don't know.
bryan callen
It's very interesting.
We saw a whole school of them as soon as we got up in the water.
brendan schaub
Dolphins?
bryan callen
Yeah, the little ones too.
The gray ones.
brendan schaub
You see them in Malibu all the time.
eddie bravo
Maybe they hunt them.
brendan schaub
Dolphins are in Malibu.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure some people do.
They hunt them because they kill tuna.
That's one of the things that the Japanese do.
They're not really eating them as much as they're killing them in order to, like, because they get it, like, you know, you got hundreds of dolphins.
They find a school of tuna that decimate it.
And so these tuna men, you know, that, like...
They used to, if you watch Jiro Dreams of Sushi, have you seen that?
brendan schaub
Great doc on Netflix.
joe rogan
Really interesting, but one of the things that really struck me was how he was talking about how when he first became a sushi chef, how easy it was to get the tuna, and how much tuna there was, and how it's radically diminished.
brendan schaub
Well, Jiro got famous, you silly bitch.
Well, he didn't really.
joe rogan
His place is a tiny little-ass place, but I'm talking about from the time he was a young man, to like now, he's like, what is he, like in the 70s or something like that?
bryan callen
Yeah, I think he might be dead, actually.
brendan schaub
His son runs it now.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
His son runs?
bryan callen
Yeah, I think he's no longer alive.
joe rogan
So he died after the movie?
bryan callen
I think so.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
bryan callen
Is he 90-something?
brendan schaub
I don't think he's dead.
I know his son was supposed to go next in line.
It looked like a miserable gig.
joe rogan
You can have that job.
How about that?
brendan schaub
It looked miserable.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody's like, they find beauty in it, and I understand.
I watched it.
I get it.
There is some sort of a beauty in the meticulous process of creating the perfect food.
brendan schaub
It looked exhausting, though.
Unbelievable.
And then how about, what's the name?
What's the fucking guy's name?
Jero?
When he gave me the sushi, wait to watch you eat it.
joe rogan
Yeah, freaky.
brendan schaub
I get the fuck out of my face, man.
joe rogan
I just want to talk to my wife.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
How weird is that?
bryan callen
That's an experience, though, right?
brendan schaub
Six-month waiting list, too.
joe rogan
Do you think?
Do you think that that's different, though, than eating at a restaurant?
Like, you go to a steakhouse, the waiter comes, everybody's pleasant, it makes the experience better.
You sit there, you cut up your food, you have a conversation.
But if you're sitting in front of that dude, it's very different.
This is a completely different sort of experience.
This guy's crafting...
Some sort of culinary artwork for you.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
In the form of these bite-sized morsels of perfectly aged fish with a perfect sauce on it, with a perfectly cooked rice.
And he's been meticulous about this process for so long.
You're taking in some sort of a weird vibe.
I wouldn't want to do it all the time.
brendan schaub
No, once every ten years would be great.
The other thing is you're going to walk away starving.
bryan callen
No, it's mastery.
It's a form of mastery that you should always experience because I think it's mastery and artistry.
It's not even food.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's sushi though.
bryan callen
It transcends food.
brendan schaub
Rice, fish.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
Rice, fish.
Did you see the documentary?
bryan callen
I know.
Yes, I did.
brendan schaub
Rice, fish.
bryan callen
That's like saying, you can say that about anything.
You can simplify it.
joe rogan
But don't you think that life is about the variety of choices that you have?
And it's good that you could go to a place like this and have these weird bites of clam mixed with a weird sort of seaweed wrap on top of it and some perfectly cooked rice.
unidentified
I love sushi.
joe rogan
That looks good.
Are you listening to me?
eddie bravo
It's a high level Benihana, right?
joe rogan
How dare you?
Benihana is when the steakhouse cook in front of you.
Benihana, they cook in front of you.
brendan schaub
This would be like sweet fish or sugar fish.
joe rogan
Yeah, sugar fish.
But it's like a little art form.
It's different.
I like classical music sometimes, man.
I like that it exists.
But if I went to a Henry Rollins concert or something like that, and someone was playing classical music, I'd be like, well, this doesn't work.
You go see Metallica, and there's a classical music band that opens up for them.
You're like, well, okay.
Or the opposite.
They have to go on after Slayer, Slayer, and then classical music.
But it doesn't mean that classical music sucks.
It means right now it's not the place for it.
bryan callen
It's not my Frequency, right?
joe rogan
I'm resonating at a different frequency.
Sometimes you want a fucking T-bone.
Sometimes you want a fat porterhouse.
You know, you want mashed potatoes and gravy and shit.
Sometimes you want to sit down in front of this guy who's been working his whole life on crafting the perfect kind of sushi.
bryan callen
Correct.
brendan schaub
And he's going to judge you while you eat it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's fascinating.
bryan callen
He's going to judge you.
joe rogan
He's going to serve you.
bryan callen
I love that shit.
brendan schaub
Oh, no, you have to eat a certain way.
Yeah, and he wants your response.
Wait?
Yeah.
joe rogan
A certain way?
What's a certain way?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure, man.
You watch the doc?
joe rogan
He just gives it to you and you eat it.
brendan schaub
No, no, so what?
bryan callen
Dude, I was in Italy and I considered the one that won the number one restaurant in the world, you know?
Like Michelin gives an award to the best restaurant in the world.
brendan schaub
Once a year, right?
unidentified
Woo!
bryan callen
And we actually sat with the chef and he had like this, like...
This thing comes out and it was a bun.
It was like this bun with eel, like barbecued eel in it.
You'd usually be like, what the fuck is this?
It was, well, when you bite into it, you don't ever say, oh, that tastes just like.
You don't ever say that.
Or you don't even say that tastes kind of like.
You just go, mmm, never smelled or tasted anything like that in my life.
That's the most unique fucking flavor and experience I've ever had.
And that's why he's always been in the top, for the past five years, always been in the top three best restaurants.
brendan schaub
He makes the eel sandwiches?
unidentified
That's his thing?
bryan callen
He makes the craziest shit!
He'll make a grilled cheese.
He'll make a grilled cheese, and it's like, oh, it's a grilled cheese.
Well, no, it's not, actually.
It's what's called a perfect grilled cheese, and then everything else is trying to be a grilled cheese.
It's like, he'll do simple shit, little simple things, and change your whole fucking life.
brendan schaub
With three ingredients.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something, bitch.
Nobody's changed my life with a fucking grilled cheese sandwich.
He gets so ahead of himself.
bryan callen
I'm just telling you.
joe rogan
You get so ahead of yourself.
It's a fucking grilled cheese sandwich.
bryan callen
You don't know.
eddie bravo
Unless it's got short ribs in it.
bryan callen
I think it was a slider.
joe rogan
I had a grilled cheese sandwich once with short ribs, barbecued beef short ribs in it.
brendan schaub
I'm fucking starving now.
joe rogan
We should go eat.
eddie bravo
Dude, those short ribs at Morton's with Alex Jones.
joe rogan
Good lord, they're good.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
bryan callen
Not as good as this guy, you fuckers.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
bryan callen
You fucks.
You don't know shit about Italy.
joe rogan
This is why Trump won.
People like you.
People like you and your fruity talk.
brendan schaub
And your goddamn eel sandwiches.
bryan callen
You haven't eaten it.
And slaves served us from China.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
But it was cheap.
I'm eating one of these.
joe rogan
If they gave you an option to buy the phone in the United States, but the phone might be a little more wonky and cost 500 bucks more, or you could just keep it going with slave labor.
Let's keep slave labor going.
bryan callen
I gotta talk to my mother.
brendan schaub
Talking about the slave phone 7?
I'll take that.
joe rogan
You're gonna take that?
I'll take the slave phone 7. You would take the one that's made in this meticulous Chinese factory.
By people that make a pittance rather than someone who works in America and can enjoy their football game on Sunday and get their fucking coffee break and buy their Ram truck and have a good house in the suburbs.
You won't pay $500 more for your fucking phone that you got attached to your hip to give you bone cancer while you fucking drive down the highway in your electric car, you faggot.
unidentified
I would buy an American $500.
brendan schaub
If it was the exact same phone?
joe rogan
Exact same phone.
brendan schaub
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
$500?
Yeah.
Do you think the average person would pay $50 more?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
I think $50 more is an achievable number.
eddie bravo
It's already ridiculous.
It's already ridiculous.
joe rogan
They're like $800.
eddie bravo
What's the difference between $800 and $1,100?
joe rogan
Most of the time it's getting subsidized by your cell phone company.
Most of the times, you buy a contract, you get a phone for a discount.
You buy an iPhone from Verizon or what have you.
You're not spending the full $1,200 or whatever it is it costs.
You're spending a part of that, and the rest of it gets paid off over the years of your contract.
Yeah, you get a five-year contract or whatever you do.
brendan schaub
But no one ever keeps the phone of yours traded back in that restarts.
joe rogan
They jack you back up, and then within a year or so, you can get a new phone for free.
You can just upgrade for free.
They want to keep you hooked to the fucking tit.
bryan callen
Some of the things, I don't see how you can get better at certain things.
Like that Tesla out there, I don't know how you make a better technological car.
joe rogan
Oh, they'll be better, for sure.
bryan callen
That's the first edition, brother.
brendan schaub
That's the first edition, really, though.
joe rogan
Well, they'll have much more integrated navigation systems, like navigation systems that have augmented reality.
This is a big thing they're doing now with phones, where they're coming up with applications where you can hold, like, a phone up, and you will be able to scan your neighborhood and find out where the stores are.
You can lift it up, and, like, you can go through the mall, and it'll give you reviews of each store, like, augmented balloons, like, cartoon balloons.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
This is the Juice Factory.
They have awesome orange juice.
And you point right there.
This is going on right now.
This is ready to launch stuff.
And this is just out of your phone.
Just lifting up with your phone.
It's going to get in your car.
So that's going to be in your car.
It's going to be way better internet.
First of all, podcasts.
The stuff that you guys are doing.
It's going to replace radio, essentially.
There's going to be no reason to hire someone to rent a building, to broadcast a signal, when you can just get all the information from, whether it's a combat sports podcast or news podcast or government.
It's going to be on the internet.
It's going to be a direct line right into your car.
It's ridiculous that it's not there on every car already.
Because it's free.
Everybody wants something for free.
You can get it at any time.
That's going to be 100% the case.
It's going to be very difficult to sell radio or even the idea of a radio signal in just a few decades.
It's going to be like payphones.
Payphones don't exist anymore.
bryan callen
The other thing that we were talking about with manufacturing is I think it's more likely that we're going to end up having 3D printers, massive 3D printers, so we'll be able to order what we want that'll be made right in our jurisdiction, in our town, and then, you know, it's a three-minute drive to your house with that, or you come and pick it up at this main depot, right?
joe rogan
Well, they think that's the number one problem with automated, like, these artificially intelligent computers and all the different things they're going to have where they have robots or building cars and shit.
The number one problem is going to be the loss of jobs for skilled workers.
All these people that are currently doing these things.
Automated trucks are going to replace truck drivers.
bryan callen
All that truck drivers make a huge bulk of most male blue collar employment.
brendan schaub
I think if they can go from San Francisco to New York with no sleep, you're going to get your packages faster.
joe rogan
Not only that, they can't hit things.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Literally, they have cameras all around them.
They back off.
They've shown a diminished rate of accidents with automated cars versus people driving cars.
brendan schaub
That's how your car is going to get better, too.
bryan callen
I drive my car.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but it's still not perfect.
joe rogan
Do you do that, though?
Do you ever do it?
bryan callen
You said it?
Yeah, all the time.
joe rogan
Do you pay attention, or do you just beat off?
bryan callen
I don't have to, but I do.
unidentified
What do you do?
joe rogan
Beat off.
Could you do that?
Could you put porn on that big flat screen in front of you?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
You could.
brendan schaub
Yeah, some guy died, right?
Some guy died doing it.
Yeah, he was in the self-drive jacking off the porn and died, I'm pretty sure.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Wow, could you imagine if that was your shit?
Like, what do I like to do, bro?
unidentified
I like to get on the highway, bring it up to about 75. Start being annoyed.
bryan callen
There are people that do that.
People love to do things like that in public.
joe rogan
Just all he watches is gagging videos.
He just likes running mascara and snotty noses.
On the 405. And this guy's spitting on his own dick on the highway.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jump in the backseat.
Can you jump in the backseat?
bryan callen
He's called Brian Kellan.
brendan schaub
Can you jump in the back seat?
bryan callen
So now apparently, I think what was happening, this is what I heard, I don't know if it's true, but guys would get drunk, they would put their address into their navigation and let the car take them home.
I don't know if that's, and they'd crawl in the back seat, and I think Tesla found out about that and thought that's a big liability.
unidentified
Why is that safe?
bryan callen
It's not ready yet.
brendan schaub
That's why I want that fucking car.
bryan callen
It's not ready yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you let someone decide that they can press automatic driver, you can't decide when they can press it and when they can't.
Like, either it can drive itself perfectly or it can't.
bryan callen
It's got to get better.
joe rogan
But if you're drunk, okay, but if it does get better and you're drunk, is it irresponsible to let it drive home?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
I mean, it seems like, does it really work?
Does it really work?
If it doesn't really work, why the fuck are you selling it?
Why are you selling an automated car that doesn't 100% of the time every fucking single time work?
brendan schaub
It's not ready.
They shouldn't release it when it can kind of work.
You can only do it if you're in carpool or if you're over 70 in traffic.
joe rogan
So if that's the case, you gotta let drunks have it.
bryan callen
What happens to me is when I do self-drive, sometimes it'll just say, do-doot, and they'll grab the wheel.
You can't.
Or sometimes you try to do it and they go, not here.
Like, it won't work in certain areas.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck you, Tesla.
joe rogan
It tells you that?
bryan callen
Yeah.
In certain areas, you just can't.
You click the thing twice towards you, and sometimes it's like, nah, auto-steer.
Auto-steer, not available.
joe rogan
It's like if you have a freaky girlfriend, but every now and then she turns you down just to give you that little element of mystery.
Like, is it going to go down?
Or is she going to get mad at me for no fucking reason whatsoever?
brendan schaub
Keeping you on your toes.
joe rogan
Goddamn this freaky bitch.
brendan schaub
That's why I don't get down.
eddie bravo
I'm so tired.
brendan schaub
I really don't.
unidentified
I can't get down with them.
bryan callen
You don't like the Tesla?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
Well, kids.
joe rogan
Should we wrap this bitch up?
bryan callen
This has been fun.
I want everybody to know.
joe rogan
We didn't talk about fights at all.
bryan callen
It's okay.
You know why?
joe rogan
Okay, let's go over real quick.
brendan schaub
All I said was Simon was going to punch a bitch in the face.
joe rogan
Do you feel like Jermaine Durandamy should have won, or do you think that she should have been deducted points?
brendan schaub
Worst case, it should have been a draw.
I think the right thing to do was Holly should have won.
You have to deduct those points.
And I think even Jermaine realized that when she goes, I'll give Holly a rematch right away, because tainted.
She's like, I'm not a dirty fighter.
She knows what she did was fucked up.
Holly won that fight.
joe rogan
Well, Holly definitely got the only legit knockdown.
She landed that question mark kick.
That was beautiful.
brendan schaub
She hit it behind the shoulder, came over the top, I gave Holly the win for octagon control, she landed more leg kicks, and she had the only significant strike in the, like the big strike.
joe rogan
Jermaine Durandamy did more damage when she connected, but she didn't connect as much.
But then Holly did do more damage in two instances.
One with the question mark kick, and another time she dropped her with a straight left.
That was one of the best punches of the fight, and that was in the, I think it was the fourth, fifth round, was it?
Might have been the fifth.
Yeah, she dropped her and it was a big moment.
So you could say that that round and the head kick round, two different rounds, were both easily 10-8, right?
When you drop someone with a head kick and drop someone with a...
eddie bravo
Not 10-8.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
eddie bravo
That was like off balance.
joe rogan
But you understand there's new rules.
brendan schaub
The new rules are giving 10-8s easier.
joe rogan
Which one?
Which one's off balance?
eddie bravo
The head kick.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
No, sir.
joe rogan
She said herself she was dazed.
brendan schaub
Nasty combo.
joe rogan
She said herself she was dazed, and there's a picture of it on Mike Winklejohn's or Jackson Winklejohn's Instagram account where you see how well it connected.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
It's over the top.
It's just shinned a dome, dude.
She's rocked.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
She went down from that.
That was legit.
But Holly almost kicked her in the face while she was down.
Yeah.
Perfect timing.
You're allowed to kick him in the chest, though.
What's interesting is if she saw that her hands were down, she could have just changed the angle a little bit and hit her She has the skill to do.
bryan callen
Do you think that's a good rule or a bad rule?
joe rogan
I think the new one-handed rule is perfect.
I think that's perfect.
bryan callen
So, what is that rule?
joe rogan
One hand's down, you can still kick him.
But if two hands are down, you can't.
unidentified
In the face?
joe rogan
Yes.
So, as soon as one hand comes up, you can kick him in the face.
brendan schaub
But don't you think, I think to get rid of eye gouging, hitting after the bell, and even going kicks, there's zero tolerance Tolerance policy, where if it happens, we've got to deduct a point.
So it's not up to the ref anymore.
Because refs don't want to change the outcome of the fight, so they're so scared to deduct a point.
What she did to Holly is ridiculous.
She's been in way too many fights.
She hit her so hard it changed the outcome of the fight.
And Holly still won.
joe rogan
She rocked it with a giant right hand at the end of the bell, and it was bad.
It was bad to the point where we all went, oh, like Daniel Cormier was next to me.
brendan schaub
It's horrible.
joe rogan
It was the first time I did a commentary with Cormier and Anik, like the three of us together.
It was really good.
Cormier was great.
brendan schaub
It was interesting.
eddie bravo
It all depends what kind of judge you got judging the fight, but some judges would look at it the way you guys are looking at it, based on what you guys said.
brendan schaub
Some would say the right one.
eddie bravo
And then others would look at it like, okay, Holly was trying to take her down, looked like she was avoiding the stand-up, couldn't take her down.
She had her against the cage.
It was like, some judges will look at that as, she doesn't want to fight standing, and she's not able to get the fight to the ground.
She's kind of just holding against the cage for safety.
Some people look at that as losing a round and not winning a round.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's ridiculous because she wants to get free.
brendan schaub
It's octagon control and she has an underhook.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous because she wants to get free and she can't get free.
That means Holly's holding her against her will.
brendan schaub
She's dictating the fight.
joe rogan
She's winning that.
Well, that's the only way to look at it.
unidentified
That's the rules.
joe rogan
That's the only way to look at it.
brendan schaub
That's literally how they judge a fight.
That's the only way to judge a fight.
The problem is, is that that referee didn't want to change the outcome of the fight.
They're so scared of the backlash, they don't do it.
So you need to take that power out of their hands and go, I poke.
joe rogan
But that same referee was separating people when they were clenching.
There was a lot of weirdness to it.
brendan schaub
He's a moron.
New York should not have those big fights.
unidentified
How dare you?
joe rogan
Can you believe what you just said?
brendan schaub
I'm surprised they let him even do that title fight.
joe rogan
They have to.
It's New York State.
New York State is going to appoint their own referees in a certain amount of fights.
And I don't know how many.
I don't know how it works.
I don't know what the agreement is.
But that's often the case when you go into state athletic commissions.
brendan schaub
John McCarthy, Herb Dean.
joe rogan
I know.
You have the best in the world.
Eve Levine.
You have some of the best in the world.
eddie bravo
Did John McCarthy or Herb Dean come out and make a statement of that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, John McCarthy said they should have issued a warning right away, like a strict warning on that first one, which I disagree with.
And then he goes, on the second one, I would have took a point.
They should have taken a point right away.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
I agree for absolutely the second one, but I think the first one was so egregious.
eddie bravo
Baa!
unidentified
Crap!
brendan schaub
Boom, combo.
Wobbles her.
I have to take a point.
joe rogan
I'm just not buying that, you know, like I get the heat of the moment.
You can't let that happen.
I get that you're in the heat of the moment.
You want to kill and destroy and you're Jermaine Duran to me and you got 46-0 in Muay Thai and you're a 10-time Muay Thai champion because you're a fucking killer.
She's a killer, man.
I mean, that's what she is.
But there's a rule.
brendan schaub
That was dirty.
joe rogan
And the rule's the rule.
You know what's going on.
You know what's going on.
brendan schaub
You've been in 46 fights before that and you never did that.
So all of a sudden you're doing it.
It's the heat of the moment.
eddie bravo
You want to see an immediate rematch?
joe rogan
I just did it twice.
eddie bravo
Immediate rematch?
brendan schaub
That 141 belt is shit.
joe rogan
I think so.
I would say you have to have an immediate rematch.
brendan schaub
You have to.
joe rogan
But Jermaine Duran to me, look, everybody knows that Cyborg's looming in the background.
Cyborg's always going to be there.
brendan schaub
There's no winner in this.
I mean, Holly should have won, but you have to fight Cyborg next.
Enjoy that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to be really...
brendan schaub
There's no winner here.
joe rogan
It's going to be really interesting to see what the choice is.
Whether or not they go straight to a rematch or whether or not they let Cyborg fight.
bryan callen
Well, isn't 45 a nightmare for her to suck down to?
joe rogan
No.
40 is.
She's done 45 many times.
It's not easy.
Here's the deal.
As you get older and you do it more often, your body resists it more and more and more.
And the fact that they make her...
I still maintain to this day they should have never asked her to go to 140. They should have never been trying to get her to 135. They should have just...
Either have a featherweight division or don't.
brendan schaub
She said she could do it, though.
Dana said he met with her and she was like, yeah, we can do it.
So that's when I'm like, cool, man.
eddie bravo
There's so many fighters that drop down a couple weight classes.
That's a normal thing in MMA. She's so big, dude.
brendan schaub
She's so big, brother.
eddie bravo
When you get smaller, you get smaller.
joe rogan
45 is a weight class.
She can make 45. She's done it before.
But even now, as people get older, again, there's a lot of fighters.
It gets tougher and tougher and they can't do it anymore.
You know, some guys just can't do it anymore.
brendan schaub
Johnny Hendrix is dealing with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Johnny Hendrix.
This Sunday, we're doing a fight companion.
brendan schaub
Are we doing it?
joe rogan
Let's do it.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Are you here Sunday?
bryan callen
Well, I'm going to be in Nashville.
joe rogan
Thank God.
bryan callen
Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Nashville and Zaney's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, everybody.
Come see me this weekend.
joe rogan
That's not Sunday.
bryan callen
I fly back Sunday, but I haven't seen my family in 10 days.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll see you in the morning.
Make waffles and shit.
bryan callen
I'll see.
I'll see if I can do it.
joe rogan
What time?
Probably 6 o'clock, I think.
6 o'clock, because it's 7 o'clock.
bryan callen
The people, if I don't, the people will freak out.
brendan schaub
You got Hector Lombard, Johnny Hendricks.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Johnny Hendricks is fighting Hector Lombard, his first 185-pound fight.
brendan schaub
I hate that fight for Johnny.
joe rogan
It's not a good fight.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Goddamn, Hector Lombard looks so jacked right now.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen him.
joe rogan
There was a photo of him post-training, flexing his abs, and I was like, He's so jacked, and at 85, he can just eat whatever he wants.
brendan schaub
Enjoy that, Johnny Hendrix.
bryan callen
But Johnny Hendrix is powerful and explosive at 85. Not anymore.
He's never fought at 85. No, I know that, but he's had such a hard time sucking at 70, I can't imagine him at 85. There's a certain...
joe rogan
Look at him.
Jesus fucking Christ.
brendan schaub
That's a USADA hat there, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, who wants that guy pounded on them?
He's so jacked.
bryan callen
That is sick.
brendan schaub
He's lost his last two, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he lost to Dan fucking Henderson.
And who did he lose to before that?
Oh, Neil Magny.
brendan schaub
Neil Magny.
joe rogan
Yeah, Neil Magny was impressive because he had Neil Magny out in that first round.
brendan schaub
Neil finished him.
joe rogan
Amazing.
brendan schaub
Crazy, man.
joe rogan
That was amazing.
brendan schaub
Crazy.
joe rogan
You look at how tough Neil Magny has to be to survive the onslaught of that first round.
Like, he got cracked.
brendan schaub
Neil wants a fight with Jorge Masvidal now.
unidentified
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
That's a fun one.
bryan callen
Jorge Masvidal.
joe rogan
But isn't Masvidal ahead of him in the rankings now?
brendan schaub
He is, but Masvidal got his shot at number five.
Why can't, you know, Neil's ranked seventh or eighth.
Why can't he get a shot?
joe rogan
Here's the fight to set up.
Masvidal vs.
Damian Maia for the number one contender position.
brendan schaub
Damian's already got it.
Damian's already won the number one.
joe rogan
What you gotta do is Masvidal-Robbie Lawler.
Because they have to have this fucking rematch, man.
unidentified
I know.
brendan schaub
Masvidal-Robbie Lawler.
bryan callen
That's a good matchup.
unidentified
Old teammates.
brendan schaub
Robbie laughed.
unidentified
Bad blood.
joe rogan
This summer.
bryan callen
And they'll bang.
Those two.
Hold on.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you rather see Cowboy vs.
Robbie Lawler?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I would.
brendan schaub
You know what?
I don't want to see it anytime soon.
Cowboy, take a goddamn break.
joe rogan
How much of a time?
brendan schaub
At least six months.
joe rogan
Six months.
Six months, no training, no head injuries.
brendan schaub
Six months, you're not in pursuit of the title right now.
It's just kind of chill.
bryan callen
He's got nothing to prove.
He's amazing.
He's done his thing.
joe rogan
I wonder if there's a way where you can tell how long a guy should take off after they get a severe knockout.
Like, I wonder if there's tests that they can do where they can tell you.
You know how you fuck up your meniscus?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
They give you a scope and they go, look, just be real easy on it.
Four to six weeks.
Exactly.
They have like a time limit and they can look at it and then they can do an MRI afterwards.
Hey, you're looking good, Brendan.
So we're going to authorize some light training, but please take it easy.
Let's see how we feel.
brendan schaub
They can do it off the reaction drill.
joe rogan
Can they?
brendan schaub
They do it.
It's a test, a reaction.
And football used to do it.
If you got concussed, before the season you do the test, see how fast you were.
And then if you got concussed, they'd make you do it, see how fast you were.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
And then you do it two weeks later to see.
joe rogan
And what is it comprised of?
brendan schaub
It's like all these different objects, and you have to touch it when they blink, and then you've got to put patterns together.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
What was that game?
Simon?
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there you go.
It's like Simon, but with shapes.
You have shapes and colors, and then you'd have a certain timeline.
If you did it in 46 seconds, if you were concussed and you did it in two minutes, you'd do it two weeks later and you're back to your normal.
joe rogan
That's really interesting that we have it that way because some people would argue that there's some stupid motherfuckers out there.
It doesn't matter if they're concussed.
They're still gonna suck at that worse than you are.
brendan schaub
Well, if they suck before they still suck.
joe rogan
This guy's a moron.
He can't remember his own fucking name.
You let him play every week.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Come on, coach.
brendan schaub
I'm sure there's better ways.
The brain we just can't get into.
joe rogan
But that's the thing is there's not better ways.
One of the scariest things about CTE is they can't really, really check to see what you have until after you're dead.
How is that the case?
How come they can't see that with MRIs?
Is that MRIs just aren't as effective yet?
brendan schaub
That gray matter doesn't show up, does it?
bryan callen
There are a lot of issues with MRIs.
They did an MRI on a dead salmon, and certain parts of the brain lit up.
So you've got to be very careful with this.
joe rogan
Maybe it's Jesus.
bryan callen
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe it's God and the fish.
bryan callen
Yeah, MRIs don't necessarily tell you...
Like when they say, oh, this part of your brain lit up when you were doing this, when you were thinking about this, it's a little bit misleading.
joe rogan
Why is that like a shock that like some area of their brain, even though the body's dead, might have some weird connection?
To the great beyond while they're sitting there at the Fulton fish market on a pile of ice like there's some part of their brain tuning in to the god force of the universe we just say it's over for a man look no gills we already gutted them it's over and he's there in his little fucking fish head traveling through dimensions well they used to always wonder why when they cut your head off When they're guillotine,
bryan callen
when they cut your head off, sometimes they'd see people mouthing prayers while they were still doing it.
joe rogan
It's a good move.
bryan callen
So are you conscious?
If your brain has oxygen, you get your head cut off right away.
Are you looking?
Is it possible for your head and your brain to be looking at your headless body?
brendan schaub
No, sir.
joe rogan
No, it is.
Here's the deal.
Because when your head gets cut off, the blood's not pumping through your head.
It's going to stay there.
Okay?
For a second.
Some of it's going to spill out.
Whatever's there is going to carry oxygen to your fucking stupid brain for as long as you stay alive.
And it's only going to be a few seconds.
So if you're lying there and there's still blood in your brain, you're looking over at your head, you're like, oh my god, now I'm dead.
Nothing's coming out of your mouth because you're not attached to your lungs anymore.
Yeah, that's what they did.
That's why they also did that shit.
eddie bravo
But what if you got shot in the heart and you died right away?
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, you don't.
You don't die right away.
You die really quickly.
brendan schaub
Your body goes limp right away.
joe rogan
It takes a few seconds.
eddie bravo
If you had a shotgun to just blow a hole through your chest, you wouldn't be alive.
brendan schaub
It would take a few seconds.
You still got the oxygenated blood in your brain.
bryan callen
Although when you get your neck severed, when you get everything severed that quickly, doesn't it knock you out, though?
joe rogan
Sometimes, I'm sure.
In some cases...
bryan callen
But there were...
They said that a lot of times the head would still be mouthing prayers as it was...
joe rogan
I could only imagine, man.
Would you read that?
bryan callen
It's just always...
brendan schaub
It's well known.
bryan callen
The legend when you had your head cut off.
brendan schaub
It's in the Bible.
bryan callen
You'd be saying things.
But there's a book called The History of the Guillotine.
joe rogan
The Guillotine was a doctor.
Imagine being in a town square.
They decided some fucking pickpocket needs to get his head cut off in front of everybody and get to watch this guy.
brendan schaub
That was their entertainment.
joe rogan
I know, but how crazy is that?
It's fucking brutal.
Imagine watching that big thing drop down on someone's head and the fucking head hit the basket.
Well, isn't it weird that we're still into that?
brendan schaub
Like, those ISIS videos are bigger than ever.
They have more views than ever.
joe rogan
Didn't Mississippi just...
Was it Mississippi that just passed a law allowing firing squad executions again?
brendan schaub
That's some redneck shit, but I dig it.
joe rogan
I think it might be Mississippi.
bryan callen
In Saudi Arabia every Friday.
joe rogan
They're like, let's send a message, y'all.
jamie vernon
Aren't they having problems getting the medicine or the...
joe rogan
Yeah, so there's plenty of bullets down there.
Fuck it.
I mean, it's kind of weird that there's a good way and a bad way to kill people.
brendan schaub
I agree.
bryan callen
In Saudi Arabia, they still have public executions.
And they have a guy there with a sword.
And he comes out.
And then you're brought out.
And I believe somebody says a blessing over you.
You're able to say some prayers.
And then I believe, my dad witnessed this a couple times, it's a public thing.
And you'll squat down.
joe rogan
Your dad witnessed this?
bryan callen
Yeah, because his office was right there.
brendan schaub
You get on your knees?
joe rogan
Did he go out and watch it close up?
bryan callen
Well, he could actually see some of it from his window, apparently, his office window.
brendan schaub
In prime spots.
bryan callen
But yes, he was there and he saw it.
And my mother saw it too.
So the guy would be, his hands, I believe, are tied behind his back.
He's forced to squat.
And what they'll do is, if they're good, they'll jab you a little bit so you stiffen.
And then, boom, really quickly, the head comes off.
brendan schaub
Wait, so they jab you in the back?
bryan callen
Just so your body, so you don't sway.
And then, boom, and it comes right off.
eddie bravo
Are they still killing?
Do they still have the death penalty in California?
joe rogan
I'm lost on that.
Yeah, they do, but they haven't killed anybody here in quite a while.
eddie bravo
Isn't it weird that they used to kill people with gas chambers?
Isn't that like the most evil Nazi thing you could do?
unidentified
Electricity is worse.
eddie bravo
Is it like super evil Nazis?
bryan callen
I think so.
Electricity is worse.
brendan schaub
Especially when it doesn't work.
joe rogan
What's weird is that real violence, like bullets, is what we frown upon.
The real effective way.
Like shooting someone in the head.
Put a gun right to their head.
unidentified
And the cheapest way.
joe rogan
Blow it away.
brendan schaub
And the cheapest.
eddie bravo
The easiest way.
For sure it would work.
Why you gotta gas them?
That's ridiculous.
unidentified
Just shoot them.
brendan schaub
It's inhumane, bro.
joe rogan
For sure it would work.
eddie bravo
Inhumane, but so a gas chamber's supposed to be humane?
brendan schaub
No, I'm saying shoot him.
It's obviously cheaper than the way to go.
eddie bravo
So are they using the gas chamber because they're trying to be humane or are they trying to be evil?
unidentified
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Well, they just have to figure out a way to do it where it seems more systematic than a bullet.
bryan callen
Well, also lethal injection.
I think now lethal injection is the most common.
eddie bravo
But was the gas chamber, was it to be humane in California, or is it to be an evil, and we're going to get revenge on you killers?
bryan callen
No, I believe that public execution, as it was done in this country, whether it was through anything, whether it was hanging, whether it was electric chair, whether it was gas chamber, there was always the idea that it was supposed to be done at least...
By the state in a dignified manner, not in a way that constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, for example.
So you would never torch somebody to death.
You try to make it as quick as possible, as systematic as possible.
The state says you have to die.
You give your life up for the crime you committed, an eye for an eye.
And that's done in a very sort of antiseptic, systematic way.
joe rogan
But a gas streamer?
You know you fucked up, and you're strapped to a chair, and you're looking up, and all the people that were friends with the person you killed are staring at you, and they're about to cook you.
They're about to fucking screw this electrical cap down on your head.
eddie bravo
How is that human?
bryan callen
I don't think you can see that.
eddie bravo
How is that human?
joe rogan
You can't see it?
bryan callen
Yeah, I think it's one way.
eddie bravo
Who invented that shit?
Who thought that was a good idea?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's even more fucked up that they can see you and you can't see them.
bryan callen
They put diapers on you sometimes.
And I think the reason they don't shoot you in the head is so that if the family wants to have an open casket funeral or something.
brendan schaub
All that goes out the window if you kill someone.
joe rogan
You know what's really fucked up?
The whole thing is that they give you your choice of what you get to eat.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You get a last meal.
You get to pick your last meal.
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Fucking eel sandwiches.
joe rogan
Twinkies and shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Have a nice beer, nice cold beer with it.
brendan schaub
Last meal.
eddie bravo
How would you like to go if you had a choice?
Electric chair, gas chamber, or lethal injection?
joe rogan
Pack of Walgreens.
Throw that in there as well.
bryan callen
Lethal injection because they put you to sleep first.
eddie bravo
And then what about between electric chair and gas chamber?
bryan callen
Fuck.
I don't know, dude.
unidentified
I don't want that electric chair.
eddie bravo
You have to choose one.
bryan callen
Fuck.
eddie bravo
Come on.
You have to choose one.
bryan callen
With the gas chamber, you go into convulsions.
You foam at the mouth.
eddie bravo
It sucks.
So electric chair then.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
bryan callen
I don't fucking know.
unidentified
What's worse?
joe rogan
I like how they have to hit you again sometimes.
Hit them again.
brendan schaub
I was watching this thing where the electric chair, it didn't work, and they tried it twice, and it didn't work on the dude, and now they can't kill him.
eddie bravo
Do you believe that stuff in faces of death?
We talked about this before, those killings in faces of death.
That's not real, right?
unidentified
No, that shit's real.
eddie bravo
No, I think they're all fake.
joe rogan
No, some of them are definitely fake.
brendan schaub
No, they're all real.
joe rogan
Some of them are definitely recreation, some of them are definitely real.
There's a really, really real one where they have this guy from the Middle East, and they tied him to two different trucks and pulled him apart.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that shit's real.
unidentified
Whoa.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I saw a documentary.
brendan schaub
It was on YouTube.
eddie bravo
It's about the guys who put it together.
They're being interviewed.
brendan schaub
It's fake?
eddie bravo
Don't do that, bro.
They faked everything.
And they show you how they did it.
The monkey brain.
joe rogan
Oh, that's definitely fake.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's all fake.
All of it.
Where they have that corpse on, they're eating them.
joe rogan
But Eddie, hold on a second, Eddie, that's not true.
Because that fucking judge that shot himself on television, what's that guy's name?
From that song, Hey Man, Nice Shot?
Bud Dwyer.
Bud Dwyer.
That guy is in Faces of Death, and that guy really shot himself on the fucking news.
unidentified
Was that Faces of Death 1?
joe rogan
I don't remember which one he was in.
eddie bravo
I saw something on YouTube with the guys who put it together.
The directors, they put it together.
They're talking about different people in the scenes, and they're going through it.
brendan schaub
But there's a guy who jumped off, and he definitely...
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that died.
eddie bravo
I think the whole thing was fake, man.
joe rogan
Well, I think there was some...
eddie bravo
They faked it all.
joe rogan
It was my childhood.
No, they didn't, Eddie.
They had some real footage and some fake footage.
They had some real live events where people died.
eddie bravo
I'm telling you, I saw a documentary about each scene.
brendan schaub
Oh, then we'll just chalk that up as truth.
eddie bravo
It was on YouTube, though.
I'll admit that.
joe rogan
We'll end it.
Come on, man.
It's already 6.30.
bryan callen
For God's sake, I gotta go take care of my dog.
joe rogan
Take care of your dog.
So Sunday, Fight Companion, 6 p.m.
Pacific Time for Travis Brown versus Derek Lewis and Hector Lombard versus Johnny Hendricks.
Those are actually two pretty good fights.
That should be interesting.
So that's Sunday.
Hugh Fox.
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