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Feb. 2, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
03:42:45
Joe Rogan Experience #911 - Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo

Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo join Joe Rogan to dissect media collapse, with Infowars’ 40–85M weekly listeners eclipsing CNN’s 1M. They debate pedophile networks tied to Democrats—like Anthony Weiner’s NYPD-investigated child exploitation claims—while Rogan cites Hastert’s conviction and Podesta’s brother’s 2007 Washington Post article. Jones links U.S. occupation to Afghanistan’s opium surge (3% pre-2001 to 93% by 2015) and geoengineering programs like SAI, citing $5B DOE budgets and John Brennan’s alleged admissions. Trump’s tax reforms and inauguration protests—including burka-clad women—are framed as elite backlash against dismantling globalist control. Ultimately, the episode suggests a hidden power struggle reshaping media, politics, and even human evolution, with Rogan’s platform as a key battleground for truth. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: large-v3-turbo
Participants
Main
alex jones
infowars 01:45:25
eddie bravo
29:23
joe rogan
01:14:28
Appearances
bill clinton
d 00:53
d
dwight d eisenhower
00:41
john f kennedy
02:55
t
trace gallagher
fox 01:18
Clips
b
brendan schaub
00:12

Speaker Time Text
Setting Up a News Bureau 00:03:04
alex jones
Go like an hour extra and get Q in there to talk about stuff.
He doesn't even want to go on air.
joe rogan
One.
Zero.
The stars have aligned.
The prophecy has come true.
Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo together on episode 9-1-1.
This is episode 9-1-1 of the podcast.
alex jones
You're kidding.
joe rogan
No, I'm not.
I had to fucking work hard all week to grind out podcasts to make sure that I hit episode 9-11.
When we booked it, I knew how...
I go, okay, there's a certain number of podcasts I have to do to get this to 9-11.
So Jamie and I worked it out, and we did it!
alex jones
Well, let me just say, I'm very envious, because I'm...
In my studio under bright lights, and I've talked about going back to when I was just on radio, that darkness we can really think.
This is a wonderful studio.
joe rogan
I'm going to do a studio, my next one, with a fire pit.
I'm going to have conversations outside.
alex jones
I've talked about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
Because it's like primitive.
It triggers that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's comforting.
It feels good.
And it's kind of cool lighting.
So that's in the next studio we build.
I'm going to build a fire pit.
I'm going to get some logs, some actual real fire.
You can only do that like certain times of the year in L.A. though.
Like, when they have fire season, they wouldn't let you do that shit.
alex jones
Well, you should have, like, a little balcony or, like, a little outside courtyard with your fire pit, and you kind of...
joe rogan
Yeah, but I want a real fire pit, you know?
Like, I feel like if you're going to have a fire pit...
alex jones
You need a roaring bonfire.
joe rogan
You should have actual logs.
alex jones
You should move to Kauai part of the year, and I will, too.
And then we'll just have a big roaring fire in the jungle and create a whole renaissance.
Just what we were talking about before the show.
And Donald Trump will land via helicopter secretly.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Secretly.
alex jones
And take damn tea with us.
You think so?
I'm just joking.
joe rogan
That could fix a lot.
We could fix a lot with that.
Alex Jones, you're like a decorated correspondent for the news now.
What the fuck's going on?
alex jones
What do you mean?
joe rogan
I mean, you're like an official White House guy now, right?
Oh, no.
You're actually like a news guy.
Like 100% legit.
alex jones
Well, sure, I'm setting up a news bureau and stuff, but that's just part of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but like you're in deep.
With the Trump administration.
alex jones
Well, I've had Trump on, and I've talked to him some.
Really?
joe rogan
He's your buddy.
alex jones
Really, it's just that we're covering the resurgence of America, what made the country great, lower taxes, empowering the people, bringing people together.
The opposite of what MSM... What's happening is mainstream media is literally almost dead.
It's collapsing.
I mean, look at you.
I mean, I remember having dinner with you like six, seven years ago, and you're like, yeah, we got a million downloads a week.
Now it's 90 million or whatever it is a month and 20 million on YouTube.
And for Infowars, it's similar numbers.
A good week's 40 million.
We've had as many as 85 million people listen on radio and tune into videos in one week.
That was election week, but our normal's 40-something million.
It's just crazy.
How can they compete with that?
They're still delusional.
The average CNN show has like a million viewers.
Fox thinks it's the big swinging dick.
It's got three, four million.
It's all, I'm sorry, people transmitting and broadcasting to geriatric homes.
Animal Attacks Revealed 00:03:52
alex jones
You know where you see Fox News and CNN? In nursing homes.
You know what you see with kids 10 years old, 10 years old up to college and beyond?
It's a Joe Rogan experience.
And it's InfoWars, and it's all these other folks.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird time, isn't it?
It seems like those shows where you have to tune in from 8 to 9, and you have to sit through the commercials, that's kind of all gone away because of DVRs, because now people just have to wait a few minutes so you can DVR through all the commercials, or you record things after the fact.
alex jones
I remember you like 15 years ago saying, the internet killed television.
They haven't announced it yet, but you watch it's going to kill it, because how can they compete with what you can do on the internet?
You know, a guy getting screwed by a horse, or whatever it is.
I mean, how the hell can you compete with all this craziness?
joe rogan
Did you see the guy in China that got jacked by the Tiger today?
alex jones
I did see that yesterday, actually.
joe rogan
Was it yesterday?
alex jones
It's like, oh, let me not pay admission and just go through here.
joe rogan
Well, they even shot at the Tiger.
So they scattered the Tigers.
They shot at the Tigers to get him off this dude.
And then even after the bullets were shot off, this Tiger was like, nah, fuck that.
I'm going back in.
And he ran in after they shot at him and finally killed the dude.
And it was all...
Everybody's got their phone up, and they're all filming it.
eddie bravo
It was in the zoo?
unidentified
Well, imagine.
joe rogan
Those tigers.
alex jones
Those tigers.
eddie bravo
A guy fell in?
joe rogan
No, he jumped in.
He jumped in.
He wanted to get killed.
alex jones
Oh, really?
At first, they thought it was a mission.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, that was another guy who went in with a lion and tried to convert him to Christianity.
Did you ever see that guy?
alex jones
God, it's crazy.
joe rogan
He went in with a Bible, and he's trying to convert the lions, and the lion just fucked him up.
alex jones
I'll tell you what's crazy about that, though, is...
Imagine those lines.
eddie bravo
Maybe he wasn't trying to convert them.
Maybe he was just like praying that the motherfucking line wouldn't need them.
joe rogan
No, he went in on his own.
He was talking to them in the name of Jesus.
And he was like talking to them.
You've never seen it.
Jamie, pull it up.
alex jones
He was definitely probably schizophrenic.
joe rogan
See, here he is.
He gets in there and he's talking to the lines.
This motherfucker just jumped the fence.
And decided he was going to convert the lions to Christianity.
And lions are apparently way cooler than tigers.
alex jones
And they're like, what is going on here?
joe rogan
Tigers see people and they just fuck them up immediately.
The lion barely fucked that guy up.
He just kind of slapped at them.
alex jones
Well, that's because they're more tribal or more like dogs, pack animal.
They're the only cat that's in a pack or a group, so they're not as...
unidentified
Agro.
alex jones
Exactly.
I mean, a tiger sees you.
You're in my territory.
I'm going to kill you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, a tiger's a totally different beast.
alex jones
Like, tigers sometimes will, like, adopt another little animal, like a wild dog or something, like be licking on it, being nice to it, and, like, won't the other ones eat it?
Yeah, they do weird stuff.
eddie bravo
Remember, the only way you could see this before is with those animal attack videos.
Remember those?
They always started the same way.
They start off with a dog attack, a dog attacking a mailman, an iguana's out, attacked your leg, and then it slowly ends up with drunk Mexicans at a rodeo on a wild bull with a rope.
And those bulls are smart as hell and they drag them, these drunk Mexicans, and they drag their heads along the rails and just crush these dudes in between the railing like some serious...
joe rogan
Brain trauma.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Vicious brain trauma.
eddie bravo
They need one with just 100% of that because that was the most exciting shit.
joe rogan
Alex Jones, how the fuck is TV going to compete with that?
See, that's what we're saying.
alex jones
Yeah, they can't compete.
joe rogan
I was kind of wrong, though, because Netflix is TV and it's also the internet.
It's like both things.
alex jones
Sure, and it's forcing the power of Hollywood to basically disperse, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I mean, look, it's better if the ability to get your work out gets to more people.
It's better.
Diverting Attention With Fake Stories 00:15:34
joe rogan
It's better if anybody can do it.
alex jones
And it lets more competition in.
joe rogan
Yeah, like these new YouTube stars.
All they have to do is stand in front of a camera.
There's zero production value.
If you've got a camera, you've got an internet connection, you can have a YouTube show, people find you interesting.
All of a sudden, you've got millions and millions of subscribers.
alex jones
Andy was bringing up this fact for your audience up front.
A lot of MSM lies and says I'm this big right-wing guy, but you guys know that I was really against George W. Bush and all the lords.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were arrested early on in the Bush administration.
I remember when we first became friends in 1999, we were running around the White House or the state capitol lawn with George Bush Jr. and senior masks on, and you were always against the Bush administration.
alex jones
That's why I supported Trump is the entire power structure, the media.
I mean, the Vatican, the Communist Chinese, the Saudi Arabians all put money in and said, stop him, stop him, and then lied and said the Russians were giving him money with no proof.
And so the issue is he's simply trying to actually be president and not have special interest in there running him, and that's why the whole power structure is against Trump.
So, and he was asking before we went live, well, how is it you're this outside guy against the establishment, but now you're for it?
No, Trump's trying to create a beachhead, just to explain it, to try to take the country back and actually devolve power back to the states and back to the people.
Doesn't mean he's perfect, but notice the stock market went up $1 trillion, $200 billion just in the last month or so because a lot of institutional investors and others understand with Trump he's trying to create real prosperity, not a bunch of social engineering.
And I'm not here to pitch Trump to people.
The issue is that there were major intelligence agencies and patriots in the government who were sick of what was happening and were sick of Hillary and Obama backing jihadist groups and other things.
And so they're rolling those groups up right now.
They really are strong.
And so there's been a counter coup through the electoral process in our country.
And that's what WikiLeaks was.
That wasn't the Russians.
That was U.S. intelligence agencies.
I said two months ago.
That Anthony Weiner in New York, Uma Abedin's husband, the former congressman that was working for Hillary, I said that he's under investigation for child porn.
And then now it came out yesterday that they're looking at indicting him for child porn.
Well, I had that from the NYPD. That came out yesterday?
Yes.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What did he do?
He had something on his computer?
alex jones
Well, now they won't tell us, but I was told that tied into that whole Pizzagate thing.
Which, again, the media misrepresented what we said and did.
It came out in all those WikiLeaks, all these weird codes.
joe rogan
There was a bunch of weird codes about pizza and about a piece of pizza.
alex jones
President Obama wants $65,000 in hot dogs delivered.
And they're like, are these really good hot dogs?
The hot dogs weren't as good last time.
Well, these are succulent hot dogs.
That's not about kids.
eddie bravo
How retarded do you have to be?
joe rogan
Well, what is that about?
alex jones
It's male prostitutes.
I mean, that's what the code means.
joe rogan
Really?
alex jones
Yeah, okay, yes.
joe rogan
How do they get male prostitutes to keep their fucking mouth shut?
alex jones
Well, because, you know, bad things happen if you don't.
joe rogan
Federal child porn charges possible for Anthony Weiner.
alex jones
But I'm on record months ago.
I'm on record months ago saying that that's the case because I had those sources.
And so the government, good elements of the government know what's really going on.
So the media then misrepresented and said, oh, look at 4chan.
They're talking about a thing called Pizzagate and some pizza place in D.C. And the media looks at it and says, oh, Alex Jones is claiming all this bad stuff is happening at this pizza place.
I'm like, what is this?
So they divert some probably innocent pizza place to distract off of all the emails that the New York police have and the FBI have that's just this monstrous reported pedophile network.
So to discredit that, they go create a fake story hoping we jump on it to then divert over to that story.
And then once we're on that, it diverts everybody off from Anthony Weiner.
Which leads reportedly to a larger network.
joe rogan
So they're playing that far ahead?
So they're literally attacking a pizza place with fake stories just so that people can focus on that and take attention off Anthony Weiner?
alex jones
Yes, because it was connected to that story.
It was connected to stuff in D.C. and New York and all this other crazy stuff.
joe rogan
Because we're making a lot of long sentences here and a lot of long statements.
alex jones
So here's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
For a lot of people that go, what the fuck is Pizzagate?
There was this Ben Swan guy who did this recent piece about it, and a lot of people got very angry.
Did you see the piece?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Did you see the piece that he did?
It seemed to me to be pretty measured.
And he was making some connections between that symbol for child pedophilia.
Yes.
Or just pedophilia, right?
The logo.
The logo for the pizza place.
Did he make the Hastert connection with Podesta?
alex jones
Well, I mean, Hastert...
joe rogan
Confirmed child molester.
alex jones
And best buddies with Podesta.
joe rogan
And former Speaker of the House.
alex jones
And then you expand on that.
joe rogan
Right, but let's just do a step at a time, because this is really kind of important stuff.
So that's all 100% true, right?
So it's true that Hastert's in jail.
It's true that Hastert is a known pedophile that a judge called a serial pedophile, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That's true.
It's 100%.
It's true that Podesta was friends with Hastert.
That's 100%.
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
And then all this other stuff now becomes odd.
Doesn't it become odd?
But if you say it's odd, if you look at it, this Ben Swan guy, what I thought was, he was just kind of expressing what is weird about this case.
And when he did it, he got so much shit over it.
I was kind of shocked.
I was kind of shocked.
People were calling him a moron.
alex jones
Well, listen, I got the same thing.
But that's what I'm saying.
They build a straw man.
So imagine, thousands of emails come out with them talking about, we'll have the kids ready, 6, 7, and 8, in the hot tub at this time.
joe rogan
I didn't see anything like that.
alex jones
Oh, it gets really crazy.
joe rogan
Where did it say that?
alex jones
It was in the emails.
There's freaking thousands of them.
joe rogan
But it said, get the kids in the hot tub?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
I never saw that.
Can you see if you can find that, Jimmy?
That seems like...
The whole thing is so bizarre.
alex jones
It's like, we're going to have the kids delivered for entertainment.
They'll be in the hot tub.
Now, these are great kids, but kids can be kids.
joe rogan
Well, you know what's fucked up about it is how few people really mention that connection to Hastert.
I would have thought that would have been a huge, huge, constant...
alex jones
Well, Joe, I love the fact that, and I'm not kissing your ass, it's true, that you're very astute.
I just bring up this whole big topic of how they twist things.
You go right to the key points that...
Okay.
joe rogan
But that's a big one.
alex jones
We have Barney Frank, who got caught running an underage male prostitute ring in the 90s out of his three-story townhouse.
joe rogan
See, I thought it was just a male prostitute thing.
alex jones
I didn't know they were underage.
joe rogan
Somewhere underage.
Because I was with him all up to...
Age 19 plus or whatever.
alex jones
Sure, but then what happened is he goes on C-SPAN on the House floor and says, if you continue to investigate this, I'm going to expose half of you that are involved in this in this room.
And the investigation got shut down.
So the reason this is important is for shadow government, you need something so bad that everybody who's involved in it ever comes out will be destroyed.
So that binds them all to the secrecy.
joe rogan
So that's where child pornography comes in, and that's where pedophilia comes in?
alex jones
That's where you get so many of the elite being into it.
But just as you said, you have the Republican establishment trying to get Hasterd out of nowhere as a wrestling coach to run for office.
Then, reportedly, he's the procurer, just like Penn State.
unidentified
Sandusky.
alex jones
Sandusky and the underage kids that they were, quote, mentoring, getting farmed out to supposedly big donors.
joe rogan
What's crazy is this is, we're talking about two very specific cases, two very different cases, but what's crazy is they're both real.
It's both real.
100% Sandusky, who was a very respected man in the community, did a lot of charity work with young, disenfranchised children, and was molesting them at the same time.
And was super respected in the community.
And he was the right-hand man to Joe Paterno.
So that whole thing just fell apart.
alex jones
And the headquarters from our research of the pedophilia is like Pennsylvania.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
What about the Franklin cover-up?
alex jones
And that's up in...
joe rogan
Hold on, what is this, Jamie?
It says, we plan to heat the pool, so possibly Bonnie will be Uber serviced to transport Ruby Emerson and Maeve Lozado, 11-9 and almost 7, so you'll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.
What in the fuck?
alex jones
That's only one of them.
joe rogan
And that's a real confirmed email, right?
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
But listen, here's the problem.
So, I have NYPD telling me...
Before the election, like a month before, yes, we're investigating, Wiener, child porn photos.
joe rogan
Go back to that, please.
alex jones
Not just of kids out on the Internet, but kids he's communicating with, and their parents are basically letting them communicate with him.
So I'm told this by NYPD detectives.
I mean, the Secret Service gave me information about how Hillary was collapsing all the time.
Remember, we reported that, and then it got caught on tape.
So all this stuff goes on and on and on.
And so I'm not saying half the people or 90% of them, you know, are guilty or innocent in all this.
All I know is we start covering it, start asking questions.
They then divert off into somebody on a 4chan forum pointing out there was some email about a meeting at some pizza place in D.C. where top Democrats go.
They then turn the whole thing into, I'm blaming some pizza place.
I'm sending shooters in to shoot people at a pizza place.
Make up all this crazy-ass crap when I never even said any of that.
And then, you go back to me two months ago, three months ago, I said, the police have told me they're investigating Wiener for pedophilia and child porn when it was not in the news.
Now notice, it's in the news.
joe rogan
Okay, okay.
alex jones
I got this from police.
joe rogan
Slow down before we get away from this, because I've got to go back to that.
There was a quote up there that Jamie pulled up that I wanted to read.
The one on the lower bottom about this.
Now, these are the emails that you were talking about, and these are 100% confirmed emails.
Go back to that one that was on the bottom.
alex jones
I'm not saying any of these people are guilty.
joe rogan
I'm saying this is the controversy.
Hold on a second here.
So six grown-ups with two toddlers and two infants spread throughout the house, and sure enough, one of the toddlers was rubbing my nose at 545. What the fuck does that mean?
alex jones
The FBI has a whole blueprint.
joe rogan
Parents got back to retrieve the children.
They threw in the towel.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I don't know what the fuck those emails mean.
Everybody wants to immediately shoo this away.
It's disgusting.
alex jones
But hold on a second.
joe rogan
Impossible.
We're talking about two very specific proven cases.
Hastert, proven.
Sandusky proven.
Real, huge, elite, powerful people that were also active pedophiles, right?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
So that's a fact.
alex jones
Who know each other and are buddies.
And then you've got Podesta's brother who's big in Washington.
In an article in 2007 in the Washington Post, I'm going to try to give you the exact headline, which was something like radical art or something, and it's like naked photos of the neighborhood kids in their house, and then they're showing it.
Throwing it in your face.
It's just crazy, but that's not even stuff I get into.
joe rogan
But there is something to that, because some of his artwork was super disturbing that he had in his house.
Like little kids with their pink butts.
They were in their underwear, and it looked like they had been paddled.
And they were all standing there with their butts facing.
It's very bizarre.
alex jones
Joe knows more about this than I do.
See, and that's all I do is cover these real things.
So let me give you the new news.
joe rogan
But that is real.
alex jones
The government got pissed off about this.
The pedophile rings have gotten so big that the intelligence agencies began to leak all this info.
And they knew Hillary was planning to steal the election.
She did steal five states, according to the experts in proof we have.
joe rogan
How did she do that?
What do you mean?
alex jones
They tried to break into six states.
joe rogan
Let's not go on these long, long rants where there's a bunch of different states.
How did she steal five states?
You can't kind of gloss over that.
alex jones
Okay, no, she tried to...
joe rogan
How did she do that?
alex jones
She tried to steal six states.
She did steal five states.
Well, Bev Harris, who's a big liberal, big Democrat, had the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy.
She's the leading expert.
She was actually, a month before the election, through whistleblowers, got the actual code that had been loaded on machines all across the country.
You should have her in studio to steal the elections.
joe rogan
I saw Hacking Democracy, and I saw that they did engineer those voting machines so that you could have a third-party input and change it.
And they did it live on the show.
alex jones
And that was a decade ago with Bush.
This is new.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
She's the top election fraud expert.
So she comes on my show, the story's on Infowars.com, and she says, we've got evidence, and then I had the hacking experts on, and I had the industry whistleblowers on, and I had the county officials on.
At every level, we have the fraud proven that Democrat-connected groups were already loading code onto machines all over the country.
But it's different companies, but about, I think it was 18% of the machines in the country, to be able to remotely break in and flip votes.
So, because they were aware of that, a bunch of states were waiting and watching, and Homeland Security broke in live into six states and kept trying to flip the results, and they even have screenshots and videos of them in the computers in there clicking and doing it all.
There's major investigations going on.
You hear the news going, Trump's crazy.
He claims illegals voted to make it about illegals.
That was one statement in a larger election fraud deal of actual computers.
So Trump knows about all this.
So she comes on and says, they're planning this fraud.
Then she comes on after the election and she says, yes, it's clear.
Here's where precincts closed.
Here's where all this happened, where 100% went for Hillary.
Or right after it closed, all the votes that then came in were 100% for Hillary.
They didn't even care.
But the landslide was so big for Trump, they couldn't steal it.
She successfully stole five states.
She tried to break into six others.
Or her controllers did, and got blocked.
The tsunami for Trump was so huge, with the real polling we can break down later, that they still weren't able to steal it, and now patriots inside U.S. intelligence agencies are preparing to roll up the pedophile networks nationwide.
That's why you've seen arrests in Pennsylvania, arrests in L.A. I haven't seen these arrests.
joe rogan
Who's getting arrested?
alex jones
It's just now breaking, and it's big institutionalization.
joe rogan
474 arrests, 28 sexually exploited children rescued during statewide human traffic operation.
eddie bravo
They're getting down now.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
There's a takeover, right?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
But look at the numbers there.
474 people arrested.
alex jones
But they're only rolling up the Renfields that get the people for the psychic vampires.
joe rogan
But how insane is it that this is still happening, right?
So all the people that thought that this idea that, you know, whether they tried to make it ridiculous by calling it Pizzagate or connecting it to a pizza place, everybody that thought that was ridiculous, it is not ridiculous that there could potentially be some sort of a pedophile ring.
alex jones
And see how they trick us, though.
joe rogan
It's not ridiculous.
alex jones
See how they trick us.
They go pick some pizza place, probably have their people go on and make comments on some message board, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, the same day come out and say, All the emails are discredited from New York and California and Hawaii.
Because there's this innocent pizza place over here that some of the Democrats go to, and they're all saying that's where the pedophiles are at.
So then the Internet all goes and looks at that and starts trying to prove, to disprove MSM, that, oh, there must be something going on there.
So then that turns that all into the big quagmire as a smokescreen from all the admitted stuff that's happening.
Because, again, I was told by my NYPD high-level sources that they've got all this stuff on Wiener's computer that just got scooped up.
During the whole hacking story and the whole story about Hillary and the unsecure servers.
Jerry And The Pizzagate Truthers 00:09:26
alex jones
And that that was being blocked by Obama.
And that as soon as Trump got in, they would go back after Weiner.
Then I was told by a former section chief from the CIA that indeed this was an operation they were running against him to start leaking all this.
And so what you're beginning to see is the beginning of all the pedophilia coming out as they roll up the procurers that grab your kids out of backyards or that go out as social workers and get the kids or whatever.
They're rolling all those up right now to get to Renfields.
Renfield brings the people to Dracula.
That's the allegory.
I'm not saying a real vampire.
And so they're going to now roll it up into the higher level groups.
joe rogan
Well, here's what's going on with a lot of this stuff.
You have to be real careful in how you describe these things and how you talk about these things because people are looking for any little tiny thing to discredit it.
And one of the reasons why they're looking at it, they're doing it for personal reasons because it seems...
No one wants to be ridiculous.
No one wants to be a fool.
And no one wants to be someone who's talking about conspiracies that aren't real.
So people are very hesitant to talk about something that's unproven, but horrific.
alex jones
Just like 15 years ago, it was a conspiracy theory.
That the Catholic Church had any pedophilia.
Now we know 30% were doing it.
We now know the old pope had to step down, was blackmailed with info about other high-level priests by the new guy that came in.
I mean, this is heavy stuff.
joe rogan
The Catholic Church stuff is absolutely horrible and proven over and over again.
And again, when I was a kid, it was rumor.
It was just things that were whispered.
You would hear about it.
eddie bravo
And now, I always wondered how they're getting away with it.
It's so out in the open.
How come there isn't more...
alex jones
They're psychic vampires.
We're stealing the energy from the kids.
joe rogan
Well, the most common thing they do is they find very troubled kids that don't talk about it.
People with foster care, kids with no parents, kids who come from really troubled backgrounds, kids who are abused.
alex jones
Just like Sandusky ran an abused children's shelter and group and then would take the kids out, sometimes overnight at rich people's houses to make them feel better.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's scary.
alex jones
And no one wants to believe that the assistant coach and that all these powerful people, but when he finally got caught, he was raping eight-year-olds in the showers at noon on a Saturday at the field house.
joe rogan
Yeah, and someone who worked there found it, watched it happen.
It walked in on them, literally.
And that's what it all fell apart.
alex jones
That's what always happens.
These guys get more and more arrogant.
And so all I'm telling you is I'm not saying anybody's guilty in these thousands of emails.
You go read them and it's like, the last walnut sauce you brought wasn't very good.
Oh, well, these are good walnuts.
You're going to, oh, I love walnuts.
And then you go read and the FBI break down what that's code for.
joe rogan
What's code for walnut?
alex jones
It means people with brown skin.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Ted Gunderson was talking about this for years.
FBI chief former...
alex jones
He discovered a bunch of it in Los Angeles.
He was the head of the LA sector.
joe rogan
So people are going to hear this and they go, oh, they're a bunch of Pizzagate truthers.
These guys are a bunch of Pizzagate truthers.
There's an inclination to automatically dismiss things like this.
alex jones
Let me be clear.
Let me be clear.
I'm on the air covering 50 topics a day.
These emails are coming out.
I get...
I'm contacted one of my sources by people in the NYPD. I get sent documents, photos of their licensed law enforcement.
I talk to these people and they say, yeah, no, it's horrible.
It's a bunch of pedophilia.
You know, it's a bunch of child porn.
It's all going to come out.
It's tied to all these different groups.
And I'm just like, okay.
So I go on air and I say, listen, I got this from real NYPD and other sources.
And then Eric Prince of Blackwater.
He still runs one of the biggest groups in the world.
joe rogan
Doesn't he run some sort of military operation in like Bahrain or something now?
alex jones
Or Saudi Arabia or something?
unidentified
Absolutely.
alex jones
The point is that he comes out and says...
Is it the UAE? You can ask Q about it.
He knows all about it.
But the point is that all this happens and he comes out in the news...
Okay, through the White House organ, Breitbart, that's basically from Trump's mouth, and says, yes, we've confirmed high-level pedophilia rings in the Clinton operation.
We're going to bring them down.
And so that's what all this is.
joe rogan
Why did Breitbart tweet about that in 2011?
Do you remember that tweet?
alex jones
Breitbart knew about it.
joe rogan
It came out.
alex jones
Breitbart said, I'm going to bring out the biggest thing that's going to bring down the Democrats, and they poisoned him right here in California.
joe rogan
You think they poisoned him?
alex jones
No, absolutely.
They killed him.
joe rogan
What happened?
I didn't even know how he died.
I thought he died of a heart attack.
Are you laughing, fake laughing at me?
alex jones
Pull up the...
No, I'm laughing at just...
No, I know you're quoting the media.
joe rogan
I'm not laughing at you.
alex jones
Don't choke me out, Joe.
joe rogan
I won't, buddy.
You know I love you.
Pull up the Breitbart email, or the Breitbart tweet, because it's a crazy tweet.
alex jones
Turns out Joe knows all about this.
joe rogan
Well, the tweet is pretty insane.
When you read it, you're like, wait, what the fuck is going on?
There's an instantaneous reaction that people have that are intelligent.
alex jones
Yeah, because they're not pedophiles.
Because the average person isn't a pedophile.
joe rogan
Right, you're right, you're right.
alex jones
So you tell me people are doing this to kids, you don't believe it?
joe rogan
Right, you're like, get the fuck out of here, that's nonsense.
But when you tell people about the stuff that's been proven, the ones that have been proven, they don't account, they don't attach those.
alex jones
I was on air.
Saying, I'm told this by NYPD in like three different shows, and that it's going to come out that Weiner's sending child porn.
And it's in the news today.
joe rogan
Well, what they're saying, what they're accusing Weiner of, apparently, is sending sexually explicit texts to an underage girl.
That's what's against the law.
So they're calling it child porn, but essentially he was sending pornographic texts to a 15-year-old.
alex jones
Yeah, well, I was told it's a lot more than that.
Maybe it is.
What they're doing is minimizing it, because the higher-ups are being told, you don't let this out.
Let me tell you.
Wiener supposedly had tens of thousands of emails.
joe rogan
Wiener should be a fucking comedian.
For sure.
He's a freak.
He's got real problems.
He's a good communicator.
I bet he's hilarious.
Come on.
Don't you think?
alex jones
All I know is...
I'm not saying even Wiener is a pedophile.
All I know is...
All I know is...
Listen.
We all know about Jerry Epstein.
I don't know about your EFT. That was the Lolita Express.
Just Google that.
joe rogan
What is that?
alex jones
Bill Clinton was on 20 flights.
First it was seven.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
alex jones
Now I know what you're talking about.
To this pedophile island that has a temple in it.
And then he was also flying to this Middle Eastern country with this sheik that's admitted pedophile with multi-million dollar checks and Bill Clinton on the plane.
And Bill Clinton's a known sexual predator.
Okay, so all this stuff's going on.
So they start bringing up lawsuits against Donald Trump with Jane Doe's, claiming he'd been with Epstein, even though there's no proof in the law, because they make you log even on private jets.
None of it was ever true.
Here it is.
joe rogan
How prog progressive guru John Podesta is in household name as world-class underage sex slave op cover-upper defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.
Early on, did John Podesta imagine his baby MMFA, I don't know what that is, would be covering...
Huh.
I don't know what that means.
What is MMFA, young Jamie?
Media Matters.
Huh.
eddie bravo
Isn't that Soros?
alex jones
Yeah, that's Soros.
But also, guess who owns the pizza place?
joe rogan
Who?
alex jones
Where all this went on.
It's Media Matters head guy, David Brock's boyfriend.
And that is where they have major Democratic Party fundraisers.
And then they had...
They had rock bands there that gave live spoken word dissertations of the love of children.
joe rogan
What?
alex jones
Yeah, I'm talking about guys like in goth drag, talking about how much they love children.
joe rogan
Have you seen this?
alex jones
Yeah, I don't even really want to repeat what they really...
You can pull it up if you want.
joe rogan
There's a video of them saying that in the pizza place?
alex jones
Yeah, this is a common ping pong.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
Why is...
I mean, it's really...
It's a very, very bizarre...
Subject.
But why is this so easy?
What is this right here?
You bringing it up, Jamie?
Okay, give me some volume.
unidentified
And you all are very grateful that you are below a Subway sandwich shop.
And Jerry is known to hang out down here.
He likes the world sounds.
joe rogan
What are we listening to?
unidentified
I think that was his manager.
We all have preferences.
Anyway.
joe rogan
Hmm.
alex jones
That was weird.
joe rogan
That's super weird.
eddie bravo
That's like ping pong?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Anybody listening, let's describe what that person looked like.
They were wearing a wig, a blonde wig, and it was a guy.
A transvestite.
Or a woman who just smoked every cigarette.
It's one of the two.
But the fact that that was going on at that place seems really odd.
But that sounds like someone ad-libbing.
We all have preference.
It's like trying to be funny.
It's almost like a comedian.
alex jones
No, but it's the guys in the crowd saying it.
It's more than it's all the artwork that was there.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
A lot of creepy artwork connected to that guy.
A lot of creepy artwork.
I mean, that's a fact.
International Child Enslavement Claims 00:06:52
joe rogan
There's a lot of facts.
So it's one of those things.
alex jones
But I'm not saying they've done anything.
And you're not saying that.
joe rogan
And I'm not either.
That's what's really important.
alex jones
I never even really covered this stuff.
And then they had me on the news and also Swan going, They said these people were killing kids in a basement.
They say, okay, Megyn Kelly went on and took a clip where I was talking about Hillary funding jihadis and Obama back in the Arab Spring that killed tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of children, and how Al-Qaeda was putting kids, which is ISIS, into sex slavery.
They edited that out and then cut it together on Fox News with me saying, Hillary Clinton rapes and kills children in a basement at Ping Pong Pizza.
They literally now edit audio.
joe rogan
They changed your audio?
alex jones
I was able to go find the day with video with what I really said and throw it back in their face.
joe rogan
Wow, that's really blatant.
Can we watch this?
Where is this that they did that?
Do you guys have the comparison of the two-up?
alex jones
Yeah, it's something like, Megyn Kelly caught a giant lie against Alex Jones.
joe rogan
Try to find that.
We should play that.
alex jones
But listen, I didn't mean to get in here.
joe rogan
First of all, Megyn Kelly's so pretty, she can say whatever the fuck she wants.
alex jones
I think she looks like an old tranny.
joe rogan
I love her.
Do you?
Think she looks like an old tranny?
You're hilarious.
alex jones
I love you.
joe rogan
No, I don't like old trannies, but I think she's hot.
You don't think Megyn Kelly's hot?
alex jones
No, I just want to insult her because she's a loveless.
joe rogan
Oh, she's globalist.
alex jones
Obviously she's pretty.
No, Joe, she's real ugly.
joe rogan
Do you think that she's moved over to NBC? Do you think she's going to change her tune now and go for the liberals?
alex jones
NBC wants to be the, quote, new Fox News.
So they'll be the new kind of Glenn Beck.
I'm a conservative, but I hate conservatives and libertarians.
And I'm going to speak for everyone, and I can decode it all.
So she's going to go over there and be the conservative light and try to get them some ratings.
joe rogan
So it seems like NBC realizes that's where the money is?
Is that what you're saying?
Want to see how fake news is made from Megyn Kelly on Fox News.
Did you find it, Jeremy?
Okay, let's play it here.
Here we go.
Give us some volume.
unidentified
Pizzagate.
joe rogan
Conspiracy gunman.
unidentified
As many controversies do these days, it began with a tweet.
trace gallagher
On October 30th, days after the FBI announced they'd be reopening an investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails, someone on Twitter, whose name remains unverified but has several thousand followers, posted that new emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer confirmed that Hillary posted that new emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer confirmed that Hillary Clinton was involved in a
The Twitter post included information from a Facebook user who stated, quote, my NYPD source said it's much more vile and serious than classified material on Weiner's device.
We're talking an international child enslavement and sex ring.
alex jones
Hit pause for a minute.
joe rogan
The next day...
alex jones
Back it up in 10 seconds.
Now, this is probably them trying to debunk us, but what they do is they misrepresent what we're saying.
So again, whoever these rogue people were, or I don't know who they are, saying, oh look, NYPD says it's Wiener and all this.
See how they were saying none of that's happening?
Now it's actually starting to come out.
I don't know how far or how deep it goes, but this is when Kelly...
joe rogan
Well, let's let it play out and then respond to it afterwards, because otherwise we're going to lose our train of thought.
alex jones
I'm just not sure what clip this is.
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
trace gallagher
Information from a Facebook user who stated, quote, my NYPD source said it's much more vile and serious than classified material on Weiner's device.
unidentified
We're talking an international child enslavement and sex ring.
trace gallagher
The next day, the bogus claim was picked up by a website called yournewswire.com, message boards like 4chan and Reddit, right-wing blogs, and several pro-Trump websites.
Infowars' Alex Jones, a far-right web host, posted a YouTube video seen almost 500,000 times.
unidentified
When I think about all the children Hillary Clinton has personally murdered and chopped up...
trace gallagher
The rumor spread, inspiring some newfound internet sleuths to start digging around in John Podesta's hacked emails, searching for proof and location of the so-called sex ring.
unidentified
What they found were numerous references to pizza.
joe rogan
Now here's what Alex Jones actually said.
unidentified
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to stuff.
alex jones
A message to Hillary.
When I think about all the children Hillary Clinton has personally murdered and chopped up and raped, I have zero fear standing up against her.
Yeah, you heard me right.
Hillary Clinton has personally murdered children.
unidentified
I just can't hold back the truth anymore.
alex jones
Hillary Clinton is one of the most vicious serial killers the planet's ever seen.
unidentified
Now there's a twist to that.
alex jones
Am I talking about the devil worship story with her chief of staff or campaign chairman?
Looking at the menu of blood and semen and body parts at the Aleister Crowley event?
The private event?
Oh no, I'm not talking about that.
I mean 200,000 plus dead Christians with her operation with Syria.
And our operation in Libya and not letting the Christians get out and directing Al-Qaeda and ISIS who target and murder children and put them through sex slavery and throw Catholic priests off cliffs and kill people en masse and murder gays and everything else you can imagine because they don't like peaceful people.
And they con everybody.
They're for open society and they love everybody.
Anything they do is for degradation.
unidentified
And someone could have been killed inside of your restaurant for no good reason other than people like Alex Jones fanned a conspiracy theory that even the D.C. police say has no basis in fact.
Yes, it's a pack of lies.
And it's dangerous.
alex jones
That's the top Soros operator's boyfriend.
unidentified
...to drive across four state lines with an assault rifle and enter a family-friendly...
Restaurant at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on a Sunday.
I know Reddit has banned this topic on its website.
I mean, slowly but surely those who help ban it are trying to dial it back out of the safety, you know, out of concerns for the safety of those who have been endangered by it.
Really, this could happen to anyone.
alex jones
It's not just us.
unidentified
It's any single person.
I know you said to our producers, it's all so surreal until the gun comes in.
Wow.
alex jones
And then some guy, so they went, they got it.
They got the full clip.
They cut the front off, knowing I was actually saying, I don't know about the Satanism before the term Pizzagate was out there.
But I do know she's funded the radicals.
I came, I saw, they die.
Who do rape and kill and cut up kids.
Hot Dog, Cold Facts 00:07:20
alex jones
So she personally is...
joe rogan
You were making a very provocative statement, and you made a very provocative statement by saying something kind of crazy at first, and then backing it up.
And so what they decided to do was just edit a chunk of that.
And so they didn't really have to edit it and chop it up, but they did take it as bizarre as it seems to take it out of context.
alex jones
They misrepresented and said that I was talking about Comet Ping Pong.
joe rogan
Right, but you weren't.
alex jones
And I was talking about...
The spirit-cooking Aleister Crowley stuff where the lady has written, it's real for her.
And they go, and they take little kids to these parties, and they have vats of blood.
That's one thing if you were an adult and wanted to do that, you know, issue some art project.
This is real.
And so I was talking about the menu where they're in the email saying, you know, we're going to have plenty of blood, plenty of semen for you, and other delicious things on the menu.
And he's like, what are the juicies on the menu?
And they go, well, we're going to have cheese pizza.
We're going to have the nut sauce.
And we're going to have the pasta.
And we're going to have, you know, succulent hot sauce.
We love hot dogs.
We know you love succulent hot dogs.
What the fuck?
And they go, oh God, I want to go back to that place in Hawaii that had the best hot dogs.
You know, it's like, yes, we've got hot dogs.
And Obama wants $65,000.
Will the hot dogs deliver to the party?
Will the hot dogs be there?
And then it's in Stratford and CIA emails that got leaked by WikiLeaks that now people have cross-referenced where the CIA is like watching going, aha, look at Obama in Chicago, another hot dog party.
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely something.
alex jones
And I don't care if Obama is at a party with 15 dudes.
That's his issue.
The point is, though, they can blackmail him with this.
And the stuff with Obama...
joe rogan
Do you think that's real?
alex jones
We never got pedophile codes with Obama.
Yeah, no, it's men.
I mean, he's had his...
joe rogan
Are you trying to say that Barack Obama is a homosexual?
alex jones
Saying he's bisexual.
joe rogan
How dare you?
alex jones
I really don't even care.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen him with a man?
How do you know this is true?
alex jones
Well, I've seen him with men walking down the street plenty.
joe rogan
Maybe he just likes to bring dudes in to have conversations with him.
It's probably hard to talk to people when you're the head of the free world.
alex jones
Maybe he had a party with $65,000 worth of hot dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe he loves hot dogs.
He's like, fuck it.
Fuck this diet.
I'm not the president anymore.
I'm chilling now.
alex jones
I want $65,000.
joe rogan
He's balling.
alex jones
That's more than $65,000 hot dogs.
A gourmet hot dog is worth a dollar apiece.
That's a good question.
Let's say it's super...
$5 a piece for each hot dog.
joe rogan
President needs a hot dog helping hands.
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
What if it turns out he was like the 10-time hot dog eating champion?
He's like one of those dudes.
alex jones
That's probably it!
eddie bravo
What if that's it?
alex jones
Okay, let's say a hot dog costs $5.
joe rogan
It seems like he actually just really likes hot dogs here.
Alex Jones.
Like, there's a whole article on it as well for hot dogs.
alex jones
$65,000 for the hot dogs.
$5 a piece.
$5 per hot dog.
joe rogan
Right, but listen.
You know, you've got to get those deliveries.
Someone's got to make them.
You've got to grind it up.
Put it in the casing.
The whole deal.
Maybe he gets, like, gourmet hot dogs.
alex jones
Somebody's got to put those kids in the hot dog.
joe rogan
He might have been putting together some giant party.
Some I'm out of this job party.
I don't know.
But what I'm saying is...
alex jones
Hot dog is a code for male prostitutes.
joe rogan
Okay, maybe it is.
But what I'm saying is, anybody who's skeptical, anybody who's looking...
You guys are so fucking crazy.
You're making such gigantic leaps of faith.
No leaps.
Just look at all the weird code in those emails.
There was definitely some code in those emails.
alex jones
Let me tell you what happened to me, Joe.
After this one...
In fact, my crew actually got...
I'm going to be honest with you.
Let me tell everybody the truth here.
We're about five days into this, and the news hadn't even picked it up, and all my crew is doing is all day reading thousands of emails.
I mean, there's thousands that are just related to food and hot dog and kids and hot tubs and kid deliveries and, oh, the spirit cooking and, oh, Aleister Crowley and, oh, there'll be semen and blood.
I told my crew, I said, it's probably true.
No one's going to believe it.
Stop obsessing on it and stop reading these emails because I want to focus on the election and everything else that's happening.
So then sites start accusing me of...
I'm covering up the Podesta stuff before it's called Pizzagate, and then I get blamed for being behind Pizzagate, and I'm not even bitching.
I'm explaining what it's like to really be trying to get at the truth, and then people take the fact that it's complex.
She'd be better at this than me, Joe, because you know how to put stuff out clear and parse it.
I just know all this crap.
joe rogan
Well, you get crazy and you start ranting.
alex jones
People won't listen to me, because I've got too much data!
Can you imagine what this is like?
I mean, it's just, I'm sick of it.
I don't know everything that's going on, but I know this.
I have good CIA people and FBI and Secret Service, okay, telling me yes.
Yes, Alex, it's worse than you know.
Keep getting them.
It's going to come out.
And it's starting to come out and saying, watch, when we start arresting the pedophile networks, we're going to roll up the Democrats and the Republicans that are involved.
That's why Trump said in his speeches at the inaugural, this is not about parties.
We're taking these people on.
We're bringing God back in.
Even somebody that wasn't very religious like Trump has gotten religion learning about this.
Because let me tell you something, Trump's not a devil worshiper, and he loves God, and he's been briefed on all this, and he's going to roll their ass up.
So the pedophiles better get ready.
joe rogan
I want you to clear something up right now.
Look at that camera and tell everybody you're not Bill Hicks.
alex jones
That's so stupid.
Tell them you're not.
joe rogan
I'm not either.
Tell them.
These fucking people think there's a goddamn conspiracy and Bill Hicks pretended to die.
alex jones
Here's what happens.
They think it's a flat earth, too.
I take real stuff.
Notice Joe's done his research, not kissing his ass, so he knows all these little points I'm making better than I even did.
I'm like remembering stuff when he brings it up because I try to suppress half this crap.
I can't handle it anymore, man.
I'm 43. And I'm sitting here looking at all this and these people come up to me on the street and they go, Hey, Joe!
Hey, Joe, I said it like five times.
And then I, like, oh, I knew you were, you know, were, I mean, not Joe.
joe rogan
Alex Jones.
alex jones
Whatever.
joe rogan
Whatever your fucking name is.
Alex Jones.
alex jones
All right, the program is wearing out.
joe rogan
So they yell at.
alex jones
No, they say Bill.
Bill Hicks.
Yeah, yeah, no, seriously.
joe rogan
Oh, they say Bill.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
I'll be on the street, or I'll be at a restaurant, and they come over and they go, they say, hey, Bill, hey, Bill, hey, Bill.
I made a release of Joe Rogan.
That's the conspiracy.
And I turn around, they go, oh, I know it's you.
All because I did a few.
Pieces in one little video with a guy that lived in Austin that you knew.
That's how I met you.
joe rogan
But you don't look like Bill Hicks.
That's what's ridiculous about it.
Like, what did you get?
Like, massive plastic surgery?
Changed the way your voice sounds?
Like, your voice is so different than his.
alex jones
But that's what I'm saying is that no one ever wants to look at real conspiracies because they're complex and hard to understand.
They want to just go with, the Earth is flat.
You know, there's aliens living underneath the Capitol.
joe rogan
Dinosaurs aren't real.
alex jones
Or, well, no, I mean, listen, the point is, I'm not going to bash Eddie.
It's good to have a free open mind, but he doesn't promulgate stuff.
He's only researching what's been said.
So I want to just get this out of the way.
I am Bill Hicks.
You are.
How would Bill Hicks be?
Like 60?
joe rogan
I think he died at 32 in 1994. So do the math.
alex jones
I know one thing.
It's hot in here.
joe rogan
Is it really?
I'm not hot.
Eddie, are you hot?
eddie bravo
Nope.
alex jones
I always keep my studio really cold.
joe rogan
Oh, do you?
Well, you get crazy.
You're a goddamn human inferno.
alex jones
I'm melting.
joe rogan
You know, there's a lot of people that don't know.
Like, how you got started.
But one of the things I thought was really bizarre in that thing was that lady was calling you a right-wing host, a far right-wing host.
You've never been a right-wing guy.
And it's a big misconception.
Like, you were always totally anti-Bush.
You got arrested speaking at...
alex jones
Twice, actually.
joe rogan
...before Bush was even elected.
You were trying to stop him from being elected.
Back when Clinton was in office.
alex jones
And then when he stole the election from Gore, who I didn't even really like, I still came out and exposed it, and it's now been certified in Congress, and they've documented it.
Delta Force Tactics Revealed 00:04:13
alex jones
I just go with what the facts are.
joe rogan
And one of the things that really opened my eyes, this is a really important video that you did, 9-11 Road to Tyranny, where you talked about the World Trade Organization protests, and how they had sent in these...
People in government uniforms, with government-issued boots, and these anarchists that were dressed in black, and that this is an actual tactic that they'll use to break up peaceful protests.
Well, they'll send in soldiers or policemen or whoever the hell they're hiring, no one knows, and they send these people and they smash everything up, they turn into a violent protest, they light things on fire, and then they all hold up in a building.
And they negotiated their release, and none of them were ever arrested.
And when you showed this, clip by clip, from these various news organizations, and you focused on the kind of clothing they're wearing and the difference in their behavior versus the behavior of all the peaceful protests, and then showed the result of it, which had these people that were walking to work with a WTO sticker that had a line through it, and police stopped them and said, you can't have that sticker on that book bag.
alex jones
It was an admitted beta test.
I'm not anti-cops themselves.
The media always spends it.
You expose pedophilia, they blame some innocent pizza place.
You expose the government trying to make cops do bad things, now you hate average cops.
joe rogan
It might not have even been cops.
I mean, who knows who was doing that?
alex jones
Well, they admitted it was.
It was Delta Force.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
alex jones
Delta Force, and I'm not blasting Delta Force.
They were given the order by Clinton.
To go out and to recruit, and they recruited just about 400 leftist foundation-funded groups, funded by big private foundations.
They trained them for about a month before in Oregon.
They flew them there, put them in a government housing facility.
This was on the newsletter.
I just covered local news stories.
joe rogan
But they did retreat to a building and negotiated their surrender, and they were released, right?
alex jones
Yes, yes, yes.
joe rogan
And this is after all this property damage, all this craziness?
alex jones
They went out to start the attack, so they had it on video.
So they could then attack the 100,000 peaceful protesters.
joe rogan
So this was something that...
We like to think, just like you don't like to think that pedophiles are real, you don't like to think that...
Anyone in the government would ever organize some kind of an attack or some sort of a fake event where a bunch of people that you hire to start smashing things to make a peaceful protest look bad.
We don't want to think that that's possible, but it is possible.
It turns out that this is actually a documented tactic.
alex jones
Yes, it was the WTO. In fact, Esquire, about two years ago, was doing a profile on me, and the guy...
His dad had been a former CIA section chief and had been involved in a bunch of stuff himself.
And I told him, I said, yeah, Delta Force ran those riots.
And he goes, you're a liar.
And I said, no, I'm not.
He went and Googled it and couldn't believe he got the Seattle Post intelligence and stuff.
And then even went and talked to journalists that knew because he'd been there covering it as a journalist and he didn't even know.
So he says in the Esquire article, OK, Alex Jones.
Got me there because even though I'd grown up in the CIA and stuff, I didn't know that was happening.
But let's be clear.
It's criminal elements using compartmentalization that do this.
They always claim I hate the government and I want to have a war and all this other stuff.
No.
I have to give credit to the good elements of the CIA and the good elements of the NSA. I mean, I'm good friends.
joe rogan
That's a very important point.
It's a very important point.
I've had this point with a friend of mine when we were talking about...
I've had Mike Baker on the podcast before.
And through the few conversations that I've had with Mike Baker, who's formerly the CIA... You start getting an understanding of how it works.
Like these drug dealings that always wind up like jets crashing with all the coke on board.
They're cowboys.
You got like a few dudes.
alex jones
Guys running sideshows.
joe rogan
A few dudes who realize they can make a fuckload of money if they sell.
And there might be a lot of people involved.
But it's not the whole CIA. It's not like they have government memos on it.
alex jones
Well, what they'll do is they'll have a covert option they're running.
The president says do this.
Like Ronald Reagan didn't know about the cocaine dealing.
I've talked to folks that were involved, actually flew the planes.
He says, I want communists knocked out.
Congress doesn't give them the funding.
Illegal Drugs and Contras 00:15:55
alex jones
They go, what you do in the government is you go, the president said do this.
We're men of action.
We're going to do it.
So then there's cocaine already being sold.
The Contras are using it to get all their funding.
Well, screw that.
We'll just jack it.
Bring it in using private contractors.
joe rogan
Right.
But that wasn't the first time they did it.
alex jones
That wasn't the first time they did it.
joe rogan
But yeah, it was a common tactic.
They knew that there was money that was being made from selling illegal drugs.
Why would they let that money be made all around them?
They're not going to.
alex jones
The argument is you don't want to let the communists do all the cocaine and heroin dealing because then they have more money than you.
joe rogan
Well, what the fuck is going on in Afghanistan?
It's just as crazy.
Tell people how much heroin production went up since our occupation.
alex jones
Sure, anybody can pull this up.
Again, that's what's frustrating is a lot of the fake liberals, because I see myself as a real liberal, but a lot of the fake liberals just go, oh, that's a lie, this is a lie.
No, you can search engine.
Opium production in Afghanistan pre-2001, and then look at the latest years that's come out, like 2014-15.
It went from 3% of world supply to 7% to 30%, and after 10 years of occupation, it went to 93% of global supply.
joe rogan
So look at the hectares.
alex jones
I just went from memory.
Was I right?
joe rogan
Well, it's a pretty substantial increase between 2001, which is at an all-time low on this chart from 1994 to 2016. So 2001 is an all-time low.
And then the next year, it fucking skyrockets.
alex jones
Yeah, but Google and it keeps going up.
Just type in...
Afghanistan, 90-plus percent world opium production.
joe rogan
It's very, very high.
alex jones
It's gone to 93%.
Now, listen, it was only...
joe rogan
And is it used also for, like, opiate pills, or is it just for...
alex jones
It's used for everything.
joe rogan
So it's not like OxyContin and things along those lines as well?
alex jones
Well, it goes beyond that.
They ordered the troops to...
The Taliban that works with them is allowed to grow it, and then they're allowed to sell it to whoever wants to buy it.
joe rogan
Well, not just that.
There's been documented, confirmed instances of troops that are being forced to guard poppy fields.
alex jones
Sure.
Well, let me break it down for you.
Right?
joe rogan
That's on Fox News with Geraldo Rivera.
alex jones
Remember that?
That came out a year after I broke it.
And again, let me tell you how they work.
It comes out that the troops are being ordered.
joe rogan
You're right.
There it goes.
90% of the world's supply of opium, according to the United Nations.
alex jones
And it hit 93 last year.
How many years old is this?
This is like three years old?
Yeah, it's two years old.
See, it's gone up to 93 right now.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
But see, I didn't lie.
I said 93, and it's 93. That's what it is, yeah.
Yeah, but that's what's so frustrating, is you know all this, and then...
joe rogan
And then people still call you crazy.
eddie bravo
Now what, Alex, why do...
Explain the fake news psyop.
Why do...
A lot of people out there think Infowars is total fake news.
Why do they think that?
alex jones
That is a major deep state government program funded by Soros mainly, and they found the most effective way is anti-Israel bashing.
And so, this came out in the WikiLeaks last year, the U.S. Intelligence leaked, not the Russians, that he's in there saying, we're going to overthrow Israel, we've got to deal with Saudi Arabia, and we've got to, like, up the ante with anti-Israel rhetoric.
I'm somebody that was neutral in Israel, never been there, have nothing to do with it.
Israel has liberals, conservatives.
I'm not anti-Israel.
It's a tiny little place.
I know it does some things that are bad compared to what we've done.
It's nothing.
So I just don't have some giant hard-on for Israel, you know, wanting to hurt them.
And I'm not against the Palestinians or anybody else.
Everybody knows that.
So when they kill Israelis for no reason, I say it's wrong.
When they white phosphorus bomb Palestinians, I say it's wrong.
So I'm sitting there covering all that, and...
Then they just put out that I'm this Israeli agent all day long, or I'm this CIA agent.
joe rogan
Let's not get into these crazy rants about crazy accusations that people have against you.
eddie bravo
Explain the fake news.
Why do they think Infowars is fake news?
I don't know either.
There's a lot of people out there, smart people, really intelligent.
They think the real news is CNN. Okay, well, let me explain.
alex jones
You've got attacks from below and above.
You've got major funding.
By Soros and others, who's a real-life Nazi collaborator, like true Dr. Evil.
The latest James Bond was based on his real company.
It's even named after his company.
The bad guy in the movie is actually Soros.
He tried to crash the pound, bring down England.
He's really bad news.
So MI6 hates him.
But long story short about George Soros, he's funding this attack on me and any independent media.
How do you attack independent media when the public's awake to deep state and government and stuff?
You say Alex Jones is the government.
And then they always ignore real facts I talk about, where I admit some of my family and stuff that's worked for the government, and they said the government was corrupt and out of control.
That isn't even a real debate.
But above that, what was your other question?
joe rogan
He had a question.
eddie bravo
His question was about fake news.
Explain the silence.
joe rogan
Well, Andy, let me just explain.
It's pretty easy.
They're in direct competition with him.
If it's Fox News, if it's CNN, if it's anybody that's distributing news, you're in direct competition with someone who has an independent news organization.
They operate it themselves, and they do it online.
alex jones
Joe just said it perfectly.
That's it.
joe rogan
Alex is in a very unusual position, because he's a magnet.
People are drawn to him like a lightning rod.
He says a lot of crazy shit.
He goes on rants.
He's very animated.
Fun to watch.
And a lot of this shit he says is correct.
And we're getting into this right now.
Like this thing about the WTO, which was, like I said, was one of the first ones that really opened up my...
That was a long time ago, too.
That was like, you put that video out in 2002 or something?
Like, when was that?
2003?
alex jones
It was like 2001. Yeah, it was right after 9-11.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Right after September 11th.
alex jones
Sure, I think I put it on the web right after that.
Exactly.
I put it out on, like, DVD or something right before that.
But you just hit it, Joe.
So let me try to actually think and codify this then.
Because my problem is, I don't script what I say, and then it's kind of all over the map, which is a good thing and also a bad thing.
You just hit the nail on the head.
You ask your question, why do they call me fake news?
We just saw Megyn Kelly.
Two weeks before the election, say, in a whole hour-long show special against fake news, we've played a few minutes of it, Alex Jones is the king of fake news.
He just said Hillary is chopping up children inside a basement at a pizza place.
Now, granted, I was saying it in satire about her in the Middle East, so it begged for them to take it out of context, but they clearly did that to deceive their viewers.
She's branding herself, I'm real, you can trust me, look at this poor victim, Alex Jones almost got him killed, when none of it was true.
When none of it was based in reality, and what I was getting was from the NYPD, okay, and the FBI, who are good people, at least those agents.
So there's an example of them branding.
Take CNN. They'll take something real I've said, or they've taken videos where I'm acting stupid.
You know, with like 5X or 6X underwear that they're giving the illegals or whatever, and they'll show me with underwear on my head and say, look, this guy's crazy.
And I get it.
I cover serious topics so they can take it out of context.
But when I'm being serious, which is 90% of the time, I tell people.
But when Joe comes in and we've got, you know, Joey Diaz talking about, you know, kidnapping people, I start, you know, laughing or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had fun.
Look, you're a normal person, and that's what people find hard to believe.
When I tell people I'm friends with Alex Jones.
They go, get the fuck out of here.
He's a great guy.
He's a great guy.
We have a good time together.
alex jones
You're a very nice show.
You're a great guy.
I just wish we weren't all so busy and hang out more like in the old days.
joe rogan
I know.
Well, we can do it.
I'm going to come back to Austin.
I'm trying to get to Austin probably this spring.
Trying to figure out when and where I'm going to get.
But I love Austin.
Where you live is a fucking beautiful place.
alex jones
Well, I know these topics can be, you know, quite frankly exhausting.
They are for me.
unidentified
They are.
alex jones
But I'd like to, some today, really get into the big picture and what I believe is really going on, because I figured out the basis of what's happening.
And I'm going to let you, I mean, if you want to hear some far out stuff today, I think because what you experienced, I mean, I'll go through it.
joe rogan
Okay.
eddie bravo
Let's go.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Let me take a piss then.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
Go take a piss.
alex jones
Joe's always so slick and calm.
So are you, Eddie.
Me, I get in here and I just kind of flail around.
joe rogan
We're going to bring you down.
We're going to bring you down to Earth every now and then.
You're going to launch into orbit.
We're going to grab you by your heels.
Bring you back.
We're going to be fine.
We'll get through this.
Go take a piss and then tell us some crazy shit.
alex jones
Where's the bathroom at?
joe rogan
Right through that door to the right.
Powerful Alex Jones.
So far, Eddie Bravo, everything you wanted and more?
eddie bravo
Oh, absolutely.
I'm just sitting here letting the people, letting your fans know that have never listened to him.
I listen to Alex Jones every goddamn day.
unidentified
You should take a day off every now and then, otherwise you'd be like, fuck.
eddie bravo
Doom and gloom.
joe rogan
But he's a good guy, you know?
He's always been a good guy.
eddie bravo
People that don't listen to him, they believe.
joe rogan
What the mainstream media has said yes, but it's also he makes it easy for them by saying crazy shit like Hillary Clinton chops up babies and all that stuff And I know he's doing it for dramatic effect It's one of the reasons why a show is so popular because he does a lot of things like that It makes it easy for people to dismiss him and then you get into this thing.
Well, okay Let's before you dismiss them.
Let's look at what he said What has he said that's true?
And look at what he said.
Everything he said today, so far, we've been able to corroborate.
eddie bravo
So far, everything that he said, it's just like his radio show.
He doesn't have any teleprompters.
This dude can talk for hours.
Hours straight.
joe rogan
Forever.
That's a thing, though, when you wind up doing a lot of podcasts, especially doing these radio shows like Alex does by himself, where he just rants and rants and rants for long periods of time, they develop a certain muscle.
There's a lot of guys who do their own podcasts.
Bill Burr is a perfect example.
He does his own podcast by himself all the time.
And he's got this ability to just rant from one subject to the next subject and keep going.
And when you have him on a podcast, you've just kind of got to get out of his way.
So with Alex, he just kind of...
I've got to feed him some subjects, get out of his way.
But every now and then, he does so many subjects in a row, I've got to bring him back.
I've got to go.
Okay, let's get to this one.
How did she steal estates?
You just can't gloss over that.
Let's get to this.
Okay, let's get to this one.
eddie bravo
He broke it down pretty good.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did a great job.
I think this is going to help people have...
Seeing Alex like this is going to help people have...
A chance to look at this whole picture of, just forget about where your loyalties lie, whether you enjoy CNN or Fox News or whatever it is.
Just sit outside of it right now and look at what it really is.
Because what it really is is, why does anyone want to give you the news?
Are they giving you the news because they love you?
Are they giving you the news because it's a program and they're trying to make money?
And do they have access to certain people because they're willing to play certain games?
Most likely, when you're looking at something that's on a major league television show, whether it's Fox News or NBC or CBS or whatever the fuck it is, you've had to go through some serious channels to get there.
If you're a guy with a suit and a tie, good evening America, and you're doing that guy on any of those major networks, you've had to go through some fucking serious hoops and ladders and checks and balances.
Represent something in order to be the person who reads the news, but what is that news for?
Is it a fucking show or is it really the news?
Are they really trying to help you?
What are they trying to do?
Why are they doing the news?
Are they doing it because they love you and care for you and they want you to be informed?
Or are they doing it because they're clearly biased and they've got an agenda?
Well, if you watch Fox News and then CNN, just go back and forth whenever there's something going on.
I did it after the election.
I was like, Fox News, CNN. Fox News, CNN. Who the fuck is telling the truth?
Someone's got to be lying.
One of you fucks is lying.
One of you fucks is lying.
Because there's one story over here and there's a totally different story over here.
All you need to know, just looking at that, just forget about what you are, whether you're a progressive liberal, whether you're a conservative Republican, just look at that and understand that you're getting all of your information.
From these sources that have a vested interest in relaying their particular version of the truth.
That's not good for anybody.
eddie bravo
It represents their party.
Like Fox is totally Republican no matter what.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, dude.
Come on.
Get one for Eddie Bravo, too.
Let's get crazy.
Bring out the hatchets.
eddie bravo
I hope that people that listen to your show, the people that have never given...
alex jones
I was a little nervous.
I want to get going for a while.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Bring out the whiskey.
eddie bravo
All I want...
For me, I don't want to be this conspiracy guy making money and doing shows.
I walked away from my podcast.
brendan schaub
I was talking about conspiracy.
eddie bravo
I really don't want to be that conspiracy guy, but something inside me is...
brendan schaub
Wants to wake people up.
eddie bravo
That's all I'm trying to do.
That's all I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to help.
I'm not making money off any conspiracy theories or anything.
I tell myself every time I walk in here, don't say shit about conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
This whiskey's going to bring it out of him, bro.
eddie bravo
But you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Black helicopter.
alex jones
Hey, Q in there is a big fan of you.
eddie bravo
Oh, cool.
alex jones
He said he wants to roll with you later.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
I just had back surgery.
alex jones
No, he said so you can kick his ass.
joe rogan
No, Eddie just had a disc replaced.
alex jones
Oh, really?
unidentified
Well, fuck that.
alex jones
Is he CIA? It's finally time.
eddie bravo
You know, actually, Q... I think you might be with the CIA. Every now and then, don't you want to be on that side and just have full access to the CIA? Don't hold that whiskey hostage.
joe rogan
Don't hold that whiskey hostage.
eddie bravo
Is this the joke, Alex Jones?
alex jones
All right, listen, let me give you guys the big frickin' data dump.
joe rogan
You want to pour the whiskey first?
alex jones
I'm willing to give it to you.
I'm not bullshitting.
I got the thing figured out.
joe rogan
Pour one for Eddie.
alex jones
I got it figured out, guys.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Pour a little more for me.
alex jones
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Alright, gentlemen, cheers.
eddie bravo
I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.
joe rogan
Cheers to you, Alex Jones.
alex jones
Here's to you, buddy.
Good stuff.
joe rogan
People were so...
On one side or the other when it comes to this.
There's so much anticipation regarding this podcast.
alex jones
So much bullying about don't have Alex Jones on, I bet.
joe rogan
Well, there was a lot of that.
There was a lot of, but you're going to call him on his racist shit.
Someone said that to me.
eddie bravo
That you're racist.
joe rogan
Alex Jones is one of the least racist people you'll ever fucking meet in your life.
I've never even heard you say a racial thing.
Race is so inconsequential to you.
alex jones
I'm into what people think and what they stand for.
joe rogan
You've never discussed race.
Ever.
In the almost, what have I known you, 16 fucking 17 years?
I've never heard you discuss race at all.
So someone calling you a racist, like, you're just making things up.
alex jones
All they do while Trump's waving a rainbow flag is say he's a homophobe.
joe rogan
There was a guy walking next to me in New York.
I was there after the election.
I was there for the UFC. It was right after the election.
And me and my friend Cam Haynes were walking back from the gym.
We went over to the gym.
We're walking back.
We walked right into the fucking protest.
And there was this guy that was standing next to me, screaming.
Donald Trump!
KKK! Racist!
Sexist!
unidentified
Anti-gay!
joe rogan
Donald Trump!
unidentified
KKK! Racist!
Sexist!
Anti-gay!
joe rogan
He just kept screaming it out as if Donald Trump's in the KKK. As if Donald Trump, are you sure he's racist?
Are you sure?
alex jones
Well, there's any discrimination.
unidentified
Are you sure he's anti-gay?
alex jones
It's that he mainly hires gay guys that run his casinos and hotels and his friends with him and, like, gave interviews with The Advocate 20 years ago.
It's all just complete made-up horse crap.
He's waving a rainbow flag at the RNC speech.
He says, But this is my problem with it.
joe rogan
My problem with it is that people want to use a real, you're a bigot, you're a this, you're a that.
They want to come up with a nice quick label and box you in.
It boxes you in and defines you and then you have to defend yourself.
I said it best at the beginning of this.
Donald Trump's not perfect.
He's a man, and he's also a super ambitious, super wealthy man that's constantly on the go, and those kind of dudes are type A, hyper-aggressive personalities, and he's definitely said some shit he shouldn't have said.
Right?
I mean, don't you agree?
alex jones
Sure, we all do.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the big one is one that he said in confidence with that Billy Bush guy, the grab-em-by-the-pussy thing.
That's the big one.
alex jones
And who has it in confidence, especially if you're famous, said, man, it's crazy.
Women throw themselves on you.
You can do anything you want.
That's not sexual assault.
A woman's climbing up on top of you.
You can do whatever you want.
That's what mammals do.
She's showing she wants it.
She gets it.
eddie bravo
And they turn it into a sexual assault.
alex jones
It's pure horse crappy.
eddie bravo
Imagine if a woman said, yeah, I could just see it in their eyes.
Talking Shit with Friends 00:00:59
eddie bravo
I could just go up there and grab them in the balls.
joe rogan
We would laugh.
eddie bravo
We would laugh our fucking asses off.
joe rogan
If Rihanna just talked about how she can fuck any guy she wants, just walks up to him, grabs him by the dick, we would be like, ah, that bitch is crazy!
eddie bravo
Totally.
joe rogan
We would think it's amazing.
eddie bravo
He's talking to my groupies.
He wasn't talking about that he hides behind bushes and waits for joggers and reaches out and grabs him.
alex jones
It's also out of context.
joe rogan
It's out of context.
He's having a guy conversation.
He described it as locker room talking.
unidentified
And there's an asshole outside with a recorder going, oh, I got this.
joe rogan
And this is not defending it.
I mean, it's definitely not...
Something you should have said probably, right?
We can all agree to that.
Sure, exactly.
What is he really doing?
He's really what we call talking shit.
Like, Eddie and I have talked shit so much to each other laughing, saying things we totally don't believe, we totally don't mean, but we're trying to make each other laugh.
Y2K Station Flashback 00:15:57
alex jones
You're being silly.
joe rogan
Eddie and I are silly all the time.
You had a transcript of all the conversations that you and I have had over the fucking 17 years we've been friends?
Oh, shit.
We'd be in trouble.
eddie bravo
Can't put it on air.
joe rogan
We'd be in fucking real trouble.
alex jones
You guys are really being funny.
joe rogan
You just took them out of context.
alex jones
We're throwing on Facebook mentions and did that last thing.
You guys were being so funny watching the stupid TV show.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that show was awesome.
alex jones
And then as soon as I turned the camera on, you wouldn't say all that stuff.
None of it was bad, but it was like off the cuff.
You weren't censoring.
joe rogan
Well, I forgot what I said, too.
There's a lot of marijuana involved in this conversation.
eddie bravo
Go off.
alex jones
It's been forever since I wore headphones.
Jesus, I'm putting these off.
joe rogan
You don't like them?
You don't have to wear them.
You're so loud.
You don't have to worry about it.
Alex Jones is here.
alex jones
No, seriously.
I just want to do a good job and actually reach out to your...
A hundred and ten million.
joe rogan
Who knows how many?
alex jones
No, you've got 90 million downloads a month, 20 million on YouTube, all the derivatives and everything else you're doing.
And I hear you sometimes on XM. Are you still doing that?
joe rogan
No.
No, I'm not on the XM anymore.
alex jones
Well, whatever.
The point is that you're one of the biggest shows in the world.
Let me give you a little newsflash.
Not for your ego.
You need to know this.
joe rogan
I don't need to know this.
alex jones
As a signal to the mainstream media of how pathetic they are.
CNN's top show has maybe a million viewers.
Their average show, about 100,000.
Fox's top show, maybe 4 million a night on a bigger night.
Okay, great.
Good for them.
I'm not in competition with them.
The point is, they're a frickin' joke.
I conservatively, every day on terrestrial radio, have 4 million listeners on my 200 plus stations.
That's rated.
Proven.
I mean, that's big right there.
And then...
Millions and millions of downloads every day.
Tens of millions of people watching the videos.
You add it all together.
Forty-something million a week.
We go back to this.
What's happening?
It isn't about Joe Rogan or Alex Jones or Eddie Bravo or any of that.
It's about the people are hungry for being able to have a wider selection of things.
joe rogan
You and I are in totally different categories because all I'm trying to do is give them interesting content.
You're actually trying to run a news show and expose things.
alex jones
Oh, but you've got really smart commentary.
I watch clips all the time.
joe rogan
I have people on all the time, but it's just talking.
eddie bravo
You try to open mine.
I try to open minds a different way.
joe rogan
I'm honestly not trying to open minds.
I'm being curious and I'm asking questions and I'm trying to learn as much myself.
And then once I do learn about things, I would like to have that person come on to teach other people about it because I think it's interesting.
alex jones
Well, here's the big enchilada for folks.
If you want, I can lay this out.
And I'd like to make a documentary down the road and actually break this down.
But there is a whole breakaway civilization.
And listen, I don't get into UFOs.
Get ready.
I don't ever talk about this.
joe rogan
For real?
Breakaway civilization?
alex jones
Are you ready?
joe rogan
Hold on.
alex jones
Joe, how many things did I tell you over the years?
joe rogan
Too many.
Too many that came true.
eddie bravo
There was a couple that you got wrong.
You can't get them all right.
joe rogan
Which one?
eddie bravo
Y2K, people knock you all the time.
alex jones
Explain that.
eddie bravo
Explain the Y2K. But it's okay.
Conspiracy theory is just not trusting criminals.
Every now and then you can't pin that murder to the criminal, but he's still a criminal, even though you're wrong.
alex jones
Well, one of the things I'm actually embarrassed about is the Y2K. It's okay.
joe rogan
Well, listen, you're not a computer expert, and here am I. I didn't go anywhere that night.
I stayed fucking home, and I was waiting for that goddamn power to go out.
alex jones
Yeah, I didn't know either.
eddie bravo
2012, I didn't know.
I thought, damn, the Mayans knew.
joe rogan
Dude, we thought it was over.
alex jones
I didn't think that.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo and I were convinced.
eddie bravo
You bet 2012 license plate, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a December 2012 license plate.
I did.
alex jones
Oh, is this tobacco?
joe rogan
Yes, it's strong tobacco from Mexico.
alex jones
I guess I am in California.
This is for medical reasons?
joe rogan
Yes, 100% medical reasons and legal.
Yeah, man, look, there's a lot of things that people think are going to happen that turn out to not happen.
There's always a goddamn asteroid that's going to kill us all that doesn't actually hit.
unidentified
Good for you.
joe rogan
It's important to not inhale.
eddie bravo
Tell us the news, Alex.
joe rogan
So what is going on?
Aliens are coming?
alex jones
Well, let me answer...
joe rogan
Nibiru?
alex jones
Before I do this, let me answer his question, because he had a Reagan question, too.
Yeah.
Well, let me answer Y2K, because I want to be honest about this.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
This is one of the few things that I have really gotten wrong.
And I didn't go with my gut.
And so I was proven wrong.
And I did it for the wrong reason.
So now I'm going to actually confess.
I was on one radio station.
I've been on AXS TV for a few years.
I was on one radio station.
I already started a show out of my house that was on like 15 radio stations.
So I had that at least.
But I was on one big radio station.
Had the top show at night.
Stationed with Howard Stern.
Was a killer.
Was all over the newspaper.
Had huge ratings.
And I was bringing in like 20, 30 grand a month, which was just a huge amount for me.
Building a whole operation out of that at home.
And they come to the sales guys and they go, look, for a year you've not been behind Y2K. And you're not letting us have all these big sponsors, and you're going to basically be fired if you don't let us endorse these sponsors and have them on air and say you believe in Y2K. Hold on a second.
joe rogan
So these sponsors were like doomsday stuff, like canned food and shit?
alex jones
And bunkers and everything else.
unidentified
So they've got to push Y2K. You've got to push Y2K. That's hilarious.
alex jones
But the station wants to make all this money.
joe rogan
So the station made you push Y2K. Wow.
alex jones
But let me go further.
This is one of the few times in my life that I... I don't want to say I didn't have integrity.
I kind of let them convince me.
But I think back to the point in the conference room, I just kind of went, okay, okay, okay, sure, I get it.
And then I went, and then once I decided it was true, I really pushed it.
So it's almost like I lied to myself, because I'm being honest about this process.
So this is what happened.
For like a year and a half, I'm saying it's BS. It's a government hoax because they're like, the Navy says the chips are all bad and 54 cities will completely fall and it's all the death.
And I said, they just want to upgrade with all this new spy hubs.
They want a new global standardization for the U.S. It's the Telecommunications Act of 96. They want to force all the new chips because I had NSA sources then that I was having on, okay?
And I didn't realize how special it was that I had these sources.
They're telling me it's all BS. And people are like, don't argue with the Navy.
And Fox News had ads to get your food.
It was just everywhere.
So I went, okay, hell, okay, stuff's going to be real.
joe rogan
So it was like a Black Friday for Doomsday people.
alex jones
It was like a Black Friday deal.
So the last few months, and the moral was they ended up firing me anyways.
joe rogan
They did?
alex jones
But the moral was I kind of convinced myself it was real.
So by the end of it, and of course they edited it like 12 hours and beyond that day into like five minutes.
I'm totally insane.
But it's like nuclear reactor having a problem here, and it really was happening.
And like, you know, Oh, and there was a missile fired from Russia, which, like, was an ICBM, and they got, like, shot down.
That was ABC News.
So I'm like, all right, this isn't really happening.
Okay, you know, we got prepared.
It's always going to be prepared, but hopefully the reactor's having a problem.
Okay, some stuff.
There was some outages and some problems.
But government and MSM had hyped it.
Then they used it to demonize alternative media, even then, when it wasn't catastrophic.
My gut told me it was BS. It was BS. And so, thank God, I missed the whole 2012 thing.
But still, they said, Alex Jones says the world's ending Nibiru 2012, where if you really search what I say, it's all a load of crap.
But I didn't criticize you when I saw you doing it.
joe rogan
I was balls deep in Nibiru.
alex jones
I said, I hope he's wrong.
But here's the thing.
It wasn't just the radio station.
It was the radio station.
It was the listeners.
They were pissed at me that I wouldn't go into this thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's fun for them.
See when you start talking about the end of the world or doomsday coming people like that shit because it gives them something to think about But here's a lot of people Future I know I'm not doomsday.
It was a long time ago 17 years ago, right?
Why 2k 17 fucking years ago at least and 2012 didn't get you so I redeemed yourself.
Yeah, you can 17 think about 17 years ago.
This That's a long time ago.
Getting fired from that job, every great radio guy's gotten fired.
Howard Stern.
Everyone got fired.
You got fired.
It was just like Howard Stern.
alex jones
I had top ratings, and they were all pissed and weird about it.
The weird thing is they didn't mess with the losers.
They were all flipping out because I was getting the big paychecks.
joe rogan
Well, it makes sense.
eddie bravo
It was the same thing.
joe rogan
And the Y2K thing totally makes sense.
That they would want you to really push that and sell it hard.
Because who the fuck knows?
You know, we don't know.
You get scared.
You're like, what if they're hiding this from us?
alex jones
Alex, the Navy says it's going to happen.
Washington Post.
Now, your listeners are really...
And it was the one time I went, okay, maybe I'll go do it.
joe rogan
I had people on that were telling me there was something that was going to happen on 2012. They were sure of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
The Mayans.
joe rogan
No, it's not a bully thing.
alex jones
Well, you just hear everybody doing it.
You start, like, stampeding like Lemmicks.
joe rogan
There's a lot of double-crossing going on.
eddie bravo
Just massive double-crossing.
Because I really used to be into UFOs.
But the more you look into UFOs, it looks like...
And that's another conspiracy theory.
It looks like the government used UFOs as a distraction.
alex jones
Listen, I had a guy who was going to give me the full NASA deal.
And when he came to the meeting, he couldn't do it.
I knew this guy well.
And then the next time he was going to meet with me, his heart blew up.
joe rogan
It blew up?
Like a bomb in his heart?
alex jones
No, they said his heart completely ruptured.
The point is, his name was Raymond Teague, and if you look at Mission Control, he was the main guy on Mission Control that controlled the cameras and everything.
And he...
I've been to his house.
He had national security letters from the president.
He'd run, like, secret operations in Cambodia and Laos.
He was an Air Force engineer.
And he knew the whole deal.
eddie bravo
He knew what whole deal?
alex jones
He would say, I need to meet with you and tell you everything.
And he would come and start gulping.
And he couldn't get it out.
eddie bravo
Couldn't get what out?
alex jones
He said he was so threatened or whatever, he couldn't tell me.
unidentified
About NASA. He probably left and he was laughing.
joe rogan
He was in the car.
alex jones
No, no, no, Raymond wasn't.
joe rogan
He thinks I was having a hard time.
alex jones
No, he did tell me a lot of it.
joe rogan
This crazy motherfucker.
alex jones
He said, Alex, your sources are right.
There were advanced technologies.
We were worried the astronauts might die.
They had two teams in orbit.
One with the real ships.
This is not a joke, Joe.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
alex jones
They had one with the advanced ships.
joe rogan
The real ships had UFOs in orbit and they were communicating with them?
alex jones
You think Kennedy and the government and everybody and Nixon are going to have this giant thing about America's number one and not have a backup plan if the astronauts die?
joe rogan
Put those headphones back on.
You lost your fucking mind.
This weed has got you into a corner.
Hold on.
Let him finish there.
Tell me what you're trying to say.
Are you trying to say that...
So the United States government...
alex jones
Raymond Teague was going to give me the secret of NASA. Okay.
And then he couldn't ever get it out.
eddie bravo
You don't know what it is, though.
You don't know what it is.
alex jones
No, they had a second program.
joe rogan
They had a second program.
unidentified
How do you know?
eddie bravo
He died.
alex jones
And he told me.
eddie bravo
Before the heart attack?
joe rogan
In the middle of the heart attack.
eddie bravo
I have a second.
No, no.
alex jones
I met with him at the old SAC command base.
eddie bravo
What did he actually tell you?
Word for word.
alex jones
He told me, he said, from your analysis, your sources, you're dead on.
I was in control of the video and radio communications.
If you go to TV, it's him on TV. That's very important, the guy controlling the camera.
He was on Mission Control 1. He had two backups behind that.
eddie bravo
Are you kidding?
Of course.
The moon landings, are you kidding?
Come on.
alex jones
Well, you raised it.
You wanted to know.
eddie bravo
Come on.
That's ridiculous.
That's why I don't trust the government.
That's why I don't trust anything from NASA. Because they ran a fake op.
alex jones
They didn't want to spend money.
They ran a fake op with just re-entry devices and basic stuff in space and did shoot some of it.
But then they had a real mission that put the reflectors and everything on the moon.
We went to the moon, bro.
eddie bravo
There's no proof of that real.
joe rogan
So you believe...
eddie bravo
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
Well, you know that the Russian government...
alex jones
Do you know how many people died in the secret space program?
joe rogan
Alex, a lot.
You know that the Russian government put those laser sight...
Those laser reflectors on the moon as well, with unmanned probes.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You know that, right?
alex jones
And there's dead Chinese.
The Chinese have been to the moon a bunch.
joe rogan
So that's not like the best...
eddie bravo
Nobody went.
joe rogan
There's weird evidence...
alex jones
Nobody went!
The damn thing's not even that far away!
eddie bravo
Are you kidding?
Are you kidding?
joe rogan
So, Alex, you think they definitely went to the moon, that just the footage is fake?
Is that what you think?
alex jones
Yeah, you can't bring film back to the Van Allen radiation belt to get spots all over it.
joe rogan
Right.
But if we don't have film, what would lead us to believe that they definitely did it?
alex jones
Because they had RCA cameras.
eddie bravo
How come they trashed all the telemetry data?
joe rogan
There's some amazing footage, right?
There's amazing footage of them circling the moon.
alex jones
Because they put a fake launch in space in case the real mission died.
joe rogan
So who's in the fake launch?
alex jones
They're not going to show you the real crap they got.
eddie bravo
Who's in the real?
What happened in the...
alex jones
The U.S. military is 50 years in advance.
joe rogan
Okay, but let him answer this, Eddie.
So we've got to figure this out.
So what you're saying is...
The one that we saw on TV with Neil Armstrong, one small step for man, that's all horseshit.
But the real one actually took place.
They just couldn't get the film back.
alex jones
But Armstrong had been on real missions.
joe rogan
Yes, he definitely been on real missions.
I don't know.
alex jones
He wouldn't tell me all of it.
He died before we met.
joe rogan
The other dude.
alex jones
I was meeting him the next day, and his wife called.
My dad was friends with him.
eddie bravo
Neil Armstrong?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The other guy.
What's his name?
alex jones
Okay, Buzz Aldrin.
I do know Buzz Aldrin.
Buzz Aldrin said, I want to come on your show.
I know he lives here in L.A., and one time I ran into him, but we'll just leave it at that.
And he said, I want to come on your show.
And I said, all right, well, come on.
And it's the only interview he said, and he goes, I'm going to tell you, Alex, and your audience alone, he said, there is an obelisk, just like 2001, it's on the moon of Mars, the sole moon, and it's sending a transmission, and it's all real, and it's all Egypt, and there's aliens and everything else.
And it's the only time he ever said it.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Who said that?
joe rogan
Is there a clip of that?
unidentified
Yeah, pull it up.
joe rogan
Pull that up immediately.
alex jones
Dude, it was on ABC Nightly News the next day.
eddie bravo
Let me see that shit.
joe rogan
Do you think he was fucking with you?
alex jones
No, he was real.
joe rogan
Seems a feisty fellow.
alex jones
I can't tell you the whole story.
eddie bravo
I think he's full of shit.
joe rogan
Why do you think he's full of shit?
What if it's true?
Can you imagine if there is an obelisk on Mars?
eddie bravo
I think that's just to get beat out.
alex jones
There's an obelisk on the moon of Mars.
joe rogan
The moon of Mars.
Phobos?
Is that what it's called?
alex jones
Yeah, he said we gotta land there.
eddie bravo
Dude, have you seen his Instagram, Buzz Aldrin?
joe rogan
No, is it good?
A lot of bitches.
eddie bravo
It's amazing.
joe rogan
A lot of boats.
eddie bravo
You gotta follow him.
joe rogan
Boaches and bitches and boats.
eddie bravo
He's just like, he's just loving it.
joe rogan
Okay, hold on a second.
eddie bravo
Buzz Alden's loving Instagram.
unidentified
Let's give some people with their habitation, we can keep track if there's something very important to be developed from the moon.
I'm not sure what it is right now.
eddie bravo
Of course you don't.
unidentified
And I sure think you should identify what it is.
alex jones
Andy, you want the truth?
eddie bravo
I'll give you the truth.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I want to hear what he says.
alex jones
You want to hear about Buzz Aldrin?
joe rogan
I want to hear, but I want to hear what he says first.
Let's hear what he says.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
Go ahead, Jimmy.
unidentified
America to make such gross expenditures again for human habitation on the moon.
We can help.
We can join with.
Together, we can...
Explore the moon and develop the moon.
eddie bravo
And steal tax money.
We could do it together.
alex jones
Oh, bullshit.
unidentified
Is this where he talks about the obelisk?
alex jones
No, it's on my show.
joe rogan
This is C-SPAN. Visit the moon of Mars.
unidentified
There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato-shaped object that goes around Mars once in seven hours.
When people find out about that, they're going to say, who put that there?
Who put that there?
Well, The universe.
Put it there.
If you choose, put it there.
Come on, man.
eddie bravo
That's like a...
Come on.
That guy wants $4 billion.
alex jones
I didn't even know he'd go on another show.
That's before him.
joe rogan
That's after me.
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
So that's the monolith, that thing that you're looking at?
Wow, that's weird.
eddie bravo
I don't believe that shit for a second.
alex jones
Okay, let me tell you about Buzz Aldrin.
I was here in Los Angeles, and I can't tell you anything else.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
Look at this monolith on Phobos.
How weird.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a weird structure.
eddie bravo
Who knows that's a real picture?
That's all bullshit.
alex jones
Yeah, it's all bullshit.
unidentified
Come on.
Oh, look at that.
eddie bravo
That proves it.
alex jones
Jet airplanes are all bullshit.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit about Photoshop, and I can make that.
alex jones
Okay, I'm sure you can.
Can I tell you the big secret about my secret meeting with...
joe rogan
Yes, please.
eddie bravo
Okay, please.
Let me hear the shit he fed you.
joe rogan
Well, no, Eddie, don't...
unidentified
Let's go ahead and let him communicate.
alex jones
He told me that Papa Smurf is real.
unidentified
Let me tell you what he told me.
HAARP And Weather Manipulation 00:15:25
alex jones
He told me...
He said, you know India is sending a probe to the moon, and they'll announce that when they crash the probe, they found the undersea frozen ice that covers the moon.
The moon has dust on it.
It's a big water ball.
It's gonna be the water we need to get off the planet, and we make our big jump.
So the whole point is, notice everything's laid out on the planet, just perfect for humanity.
We make the steps right.
But it's like a video game.
joe rogan
Buzz Aldrin, hi as fuck.
alex jones
Buzz Aldrin, no, you're not listening!
eddie bravo
He's fucking with you.
alex jones
Then India crashed the probe, found exactly what they were saying.
And I've walked through an airport a year later and looked over, and it says India discovers water on the moon, and it's all water.
joe rogan
Well, they've definitely discovered water on the moon, right?
That's pretty much confirmed.
alex jones
Buzz Aldrin told me about it a year before.
joe rogan
Is that right?
Am I correct in saying they found water on the moon?
eddie bravo
Are they still breathing Buzz Aldrin?
Is he going to the meetings and they tell him shit?
alex jones
Listen.
joe rogan
Yeah, he went to the moon.
alex jones
You want to get into work stuff?
I don't get into all this stuff, okay?
I'm telling you, Buzz Aldrin told me in a year it's going to be on the news that they discovered water with a probe they're sending before they were even sending a probe in the news.
They let India, quote, find it.
Because the U.S. already found it.
It's already been on the moon God knows how many times.
The word is they've got military bases on the other side.
Dude, we had nuclear subs in the 50s.
What do you think we got now?
joe rogan
So you think they have bases on the moon?
alex jones
Well, I'll never get into all this stuff.
joe rogan
Right.
Don't do that.
alex jones
But let's just say it's super advanced.
joe rogan
So you really think that they have some sort of a base out there that we don't know about?
That's so far away.
Why wouldn't they just do it on the desert somewhere?
What is this?
MIP detected water on the moon way back in June.
Huh.
eddie bravo
They're dropping disinfo on you, Alex.
alex jones
Well, I mean, Buzz Aldrin tells me they're going to announce India finds water on the moon.
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
Buzz Aldrin.
Follow him on Instagram and then come back to me with some Buzz Aldrin.
joe rogan
Follow him on Instagram.
alex jones
I'm only telling you what Buzz Aldrin told me.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The moon impact probe, which crash-landed at a designated site on the lunar south pole on November 14, 2008, had picked up some clear signatures of water during its 25-minute descent.
unidentified
It needs to get deep.
alex jones
That's why they crash it.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mr. Nair said at a press conference here on Friday.
Interesting.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
When it comes to Space Alex, that's not your forte.
But one thing I want to ask you.
Buzz Aldrin is telling you shit.
alex jones
I want to attack him.
eddie bravo
His back's hurt.
unidentified
Follow Buzz Aldrin on Instagram and then come back at me.
alex jones
Listen, can I just say...
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo, what's going on with his Instagram?
What's up with Buzz Aldrin?
eddie bravo
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
How so?
eddie bravo
He's just like...
He's so into it.
alex jones
Did you see when the guy comes over?
He goes, you're full of crap.
He ever went to the moon and he just punches him out?
eddie bravo
Hey, check this out.
I wanted to ask you, what do you think, is Trump going to do anything about the stratospheric aerosol injections?
alex jones
Write that down.
joe rogan
Are we talking about chemtrails now?
eddie bravo
No, we're talking about stratospheric aerosol injections.
alex jones
I can't get to any of the points, but you won't let me, you know.
eddie bravo
Do you think Trump wants to stop that?
alex jones
I'm going to write it down.
eddie bravo
Write what down.
joe rogan
Write what down.
alex jones
The next question.
I'll do it here.
eddie bravo
That's the question.
joe rogan
That's the question.
He just said it.
alex jones
The question is, do you last five before that?
joe rogan
Alex Jones is off the rails right now, folks.
Bring it in, Alex.
eddie bravo
I didn't get the joke.
Why do I have to write it down?
I didn't get it.
alex jones
Because you've been bad.
eddie bravo
Listen, Alex.
Alex.
unidentified
Will Trump, is Trump going to do anything about that?
eddie bravo
That program to stop global warming?
alex jones
Yeah, he'll do something about it.
joe rogan
Well, what do you think the program is, Eddie?
What do you think the program is?
eddie bravo
The director of the CIA is talking about it on YouTube.
Look under John O'Brennan.
joe rogan
I've seen it.
eddie bravo
John O'Brennan.
joe rogan
They talk about strategies.
They talk about strategies.
eddie bravo
Stratospheric aerosol injections.
It's going to cost $10 billion a year.
And there's going to be some countries opposed to it because it's going to mess up the weather.
alex jones
Are you telling me about atmospheric manipulation?
eddie bravo
I'm talking about stratospheric aerosol.
alex jones
SAI. I've never heard of that.
joe rogan
It's super important when you can break it down to three letters.
alex jones
Yeah, let me go over it.
eddie bravo
That's what John O'Brennan admitted in June of 2008. I saw the video.
alex jones
Let me comment on it.
eddie bravo
Can you play it, Jamie?
alex jones
You can just go John O'Brien.
I've been talking about this forever, and Joe, I'm not bashing you, but you had your TV show made jokes about it, which I get, because a lot of it's BS. There is an entire atmospheric, terraforming, geoengineering manipulation.
They don't call it chemtrails, and of course the CIA director admitted they have this huge program.
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation owns the major patents on it from Westinghouse and others.
They use these big antennas to manipulate the weather they can.
China is causing huge rains and stuff.
You're talking like HAARP? Yes, HAARP technology.
It's all declassified.
joe rogan
Do you think HAARP manipulates the weather?
alex jones
They admit it does.
I used to have the head of HAARP, General Bittenkay Parton, all the time.
But exactly, there's giant weather modification systems, and there's weather wars between different governments, and it's all declassified.
joe rogan
Let's explain to people that are listening what HAARP is.
What does it stand for?
High Altitude...
Something...
alex jones
Yeah, they've got a system that supposedly...
You don't know what HAARP really was under its classification?
joe rogan
What does it stand for?
High Frequency Active Aurora Research Program.
So the idea behind this was they wanted to do research on the Aurora, and didn't they want to see if they could communicate using it and send radio waves to bounce off the atmosphere?
alex jones
They wanted it over the horizon radar.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, that, and they also wanted to be able to send radio signals to places where they wouldn't reach, right?
alex jones
But HAARP doesn't really go into it.
eddie bravo
But what does that have to do with stratospheric aerosol injections?
alex jones
HAARP doesn't really go into the atmosphere.
joe rogan
Well, the speculation, Eddie.
alex jones
I know all the HAARP secrets.
I've interviewed the private head of it.
I actually know the HAARP secrets.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I don't know why the Pentagon decided to let him on my show.
eddie bravo
How does HAARP work with the chemtrails?
Let me tell you.
What goes on?
alex jones
Only a micronic amount, a small amount of what HAARP does is in the atmosphere.
It's bouncing off the aurora borealis and then resonating back through in a deep earth communication program to satellites and other things through the planet.
So it's something you can communicate to satellites, through the satellites down to the submarines.
joe rogan
So here it goes.
This is an actual definition, how HAARP works.
The facility's transmitters send radio waves upward.
But hold on, let's just read it first.
Waves upwards into the ionosphere between 100 and 350 kilometers of altitude.
The resulting heating effect creates irregularities in the electron density there, which in turn allows communication signals as from satellites to be relayed off the ionosphere.
alex jones
That's not what it really does.
Shoot the satellite frequency coded through the Earth to submarines.
joe rogan
Now, what is this website from that explains this, Jamie?
alex jones
And the submarine puts up a buoy.
You want the real stuff, I'll tell you.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
eddie bravo
Nature magazine.
alex jones
Let me explain something.
joe rogan
Okay, nature.com.
alex jones
I have the head of the HAARP program on.
eddie bravo
I'm just fucking with you.
alex jones
I got contacted about 10 years ago, and they said the head of the HAARP project really likes your work.
He liked to come on.
The interview's online.
He liked to come on and tell everybody.
And about 30 minutes in, a colonel came on the line and said sorry during a break and cut the guy off.
joe rogan
Wow.
Dum-dum-dum.
alex jones
I mean, this really happens.
joe rogan
Cue spooky music.
alex jones
Cue spooky music.
Let me get back.
joe rogan
I believe you.
alex jones
That's a true story.
eddie bravo
I want to know the relationship between, like, what do the chemtrails have to do?
Do you think Trump is going to look into the SIA project that the CIA has greenlit?
alex jones
He is starting out with vaccines, as I told people he would do, investigating all the damage they've caused.
eddie bravo
Ultimately, that's good, too.
The vaccines get that shit together, too, for sure.
But what about the SAI? You think Trump is going to do anything about that?
joe rogan
You're so locked onto this.
Here's the problem with all this SIA shit.
Most of what you see when you see those jets flying around, those clouds behind them, most of that is just a jet engine.
alex jones
And everybody confuses that with the real program.
eddie bravo
What's the real program?
alex jones
Well, here's the thing.
You're right, and so is Joe, because the world's It's complex.
There are secret and quasi-secret and public programs to test manipulation of the weather and weather systems.
The Arabs are doing it.
The Chinese are doing it.
The Russians are doing it.
joe rogan
Well, people have been cloud seeding for 100 years now.
eddie bravo
He's not talking about cloud seeding.
joe rogan
The Chinese were doing it 500 years ago.
That is weather manipulation.
eddie bravo
But they're doing it for different purposes.
Not to produce crops.
alex jones
Okay, I had Ben Livingston, the head of the U.S. weather weapon program for 27 years on my show first, because I saw it was declassified.
I saw that he was in the panhandle of Texas.
I called him running a major cloud sitting company with his son and got the 90 year old to Austin.
And then after that, he totally freaked out because the CIA came to his house.
Do you want the interviews on YouTube?
Do you want to know what he said?
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Yes.
alex jones
He was a World War Two fighter pilot.
And at the end of World War Two, he flew the first planes into hurricanes, which are in the Atlantic.
joe rogan
That's pretty gangster.
alex jones
And into Typhoon.
Fuck.
And then he also led squadrons in Vietnam flooding everything up to 10 feet of water out of clear blue skies within hours.
eddie bravo
What a badass.
alex jones
With their chemicals.
joe rogan
What kind of badass do you have to be to do that?
alex jones
Super badass.
joe rogan
Fly into a hurricane or a typhoon?
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Jesus Christ.
alex jones
Yeah, he's the first guy to do it.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
alex jones
Anyways.
He's super badass.
I don't even know if he's alive.
He's Ben Livingston.
At 90, he was still all there, and I thought at 90 he could kick my ass.
He was a big Texan.
I felt like the guy was tougher than me.
Anyways, so we're sitting there, and he gives me all this data, and I can't believe it.
He's giving me all these classified photos and stuff because they just declassified the file.
No one thought to call the old man from Lubbock or whatever it was.
So I call him.
I get him on.
They sent a bunch of people to their company and threatened them the next week after I heard it.
And he laid it out.
He said, in 1967, we certified at the Stanford Research Institute that he was able to control hurricanes, create hurricanes, and steer hurricanes.
All that got black-budgeted, shut down, and then they got into these arrays where they could use antennas.
And out of that in Westinghouse came...
The whole heart program.
So in the 60s, they could create, control, and steer or kill hurricanes.
That's why you Google now, Bill and Melinda Gates bought all those patents, and, quote, Bill Gates is going to save the world from bad weather.
Bill Gates wants to stop hurricanes.
joe rogan
Google it.
alex jones
Bill Gates owns the weather machines.
joe rogan
Let me pause for a second.
How do they manipulate a hurricane?
So the hurricane's going to happen.
How do they break it up?
alex jones
Okay.
If it's coming into lands, their problem with aerial arrays projecting into the sky, they can break it up or strengthen it or kill it or steer it.
And they're doing that with HAARP? Well, they've got heart bases all over the place.
They call them Doppler radar facilities.
Oh, the government wants your local city to have Doppler radar.
joe rogan
I thought that was like so you could have the guy in front of the screen.
alex jones
That's at like one-tenth of one percent.
They can crank those arrays up that have massive...
Your lights might go out when they do it a little bit.
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Really?
alex jones
Yeah, because they'll use the whole power of your town through the Doppler radars, and then they control it.
The U.S. has a giant weather weapon hidden in front of everybody in every town and city, and poor Russians and Chinese.
The U.S. has weather weapons that can knock them all out right now.
joe rogan
Can Bill Gates control the weather?
Ideas for barges to pump cold water from the depth of the ocean to create some sort of a roadblock for the hurricane.
Since hurricanes pull power from the water's warm temperatures, cooling the water could have theoretically lessened the impact to outright dismantle the hurricane.
Well, it sounds like a good idea, though.
alex jones
No, no, but the point is, look at how loving you as a photo.
joe rogan
But doesn't that sound like a genius idea?
You spray cold water into the air.
eddie bravo
It always does.
joe rogan
It'll cool off the hurricane.
eddie bravo
John O'Brien in front of the CFR is saying, we're doing this because...
For global warming, we've got to save the planet.
alex jones
You are right about geoengineering and chemtrails.
You are wrong about the dinosaurs not being wrong.
eddie bravo
But hey, what about that?
They're coming out saying, hey, there's going to be some countries that aren't going to be for it, and we've got to figure out how we're going to deal with them.
alex jones
Do you want me to give the audience the big secret?
joe rogan
Yes.
What's the big secret?
eddie bravo
Keep going with that weather manipulation.
Keep going with that.
Come on, man.
Don't change the subject.
Keep going with that.
You're not done with Livingston.
alex jones
It's good you're here, but imagine me and Joe were actually...
You want me to hear about Ronald Reagan, too, don't you?
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Later.
eddie bravo
Finish the SAI program.
joe rogan
Well, he doesn't know about this.
alex jones
I know about it, but it's like a minor deal.
joe rogan
What do you know about the SAI program?
Let's get this done with.
alex jones
Most of the real programs are just like fronts for something else.
It's not even real.
joe rogan
So you don't think they're spraying shit into the atmosphere?
alex jones
No, there is a program for geoengineering.
joe rogan
There's a program in place, and you said it's the Doppler radar system and HAARP and what else?
alex jones
And aerial spraying is still the most effective.
And what do they do?
joe rogan
When you say aerial spraying, what are they spraying?
alex jones
Barium salts, aluminum dioxide, radioactive isotopes.
joe rogan
They're spraying them in the air?
Why are they doing that?
alex jones
And the aluminum is because...
It does a bunch of things.
They're testing a bunch of stuff.
They're manipulating things.
Listen, our Pentagon is so crazy.
joe rogan
Right, but why do you have evidence that they're doing this and spraying aluminum and barium, whatever it is?
alex jones
You can go online and read the Department of Energy.
It's all public.
Just like he just said.
joe rogan
You can go online and watch a Chinese dude get jacked by a tiger.
alex jones
Oh, I agree.
joe rogan
That's out there, too.
alex jones
You can go to thedepartmentofenergy.gov, and you can watch CFR, the CIA director at the time, Brennan, admitting all this.
This is all public.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he admitted it.
He talked about it.
joe rogan
No, I saw it.
I saw the video.
We can play the video.
And go over it if you want.
But he's talking about various options for controlling global warming.
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Yeah.
joe rogan
They're laying out the future.
Look, if global warming is...
alex jones
There's a guy, I forget his name.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
If global warming is real, and we know it is, right?
Don't you think they would have...
eddie bravo
I don't believe that.
joe rogan
You don't believe global warming's real?
eddie bravo
I think it's a scam.
joe rogan
So when they keep measuring these temperatures, and scientists keep saying that this is the hottest year on the record...
alex jones
No, they got caught faking the temperatures.
They came out and hacked emails.
joe rogan
Well, let's find out what the most recent thing is.
alex jones
Joe, I believe global warming's real.
I believe it's real.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I believe that it goes high, it goes cold.
There's always microtemperatures.
joe rogan
There is always...
There's a big change.
There's shifts throughout time.
alex jones
Change is the only thing that ever happens.
But paying carbon taxes to Al Gore won't fix it.
joe rogan
Okay.
I think we all agree that there's shifts.
But what I'm saying is there absolutely is global warming, right?
eddie bravo
What does the CIA have to do with global warming?
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Hold on a second.
alex jones
Hold on a second.
My dad's farmhouse, when my dad was a kid in the 1950s, for three, four months out of the year, it was below zero or freezing, and you had to chop wood, and you'd freeze your ass off, and all houses had, even in the South, had...
You know, had all sorts of chimneys in them for fireplaces because it was freezing cold.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
And now there has been a warming period, but that's part of a normal global cycle based on the sun.
All these astrophysicists are sure the whole thing about claiming it's the carbon we put out.
The Earth is carbon-starved.
There's a carbon cycle.
That's the big story I want to get to.
The globalists want to tax.
If they can tax oxygen, carbon dioxide, water, or sunlight, they have total control over the whole life cycle of the planet.
joe rogan
Let's play the video.
Let's play the video of this CIA guy talking about it, because what I inferred from it is that they're trying to come up with some sort of solutions if global warming becomes a giant issue.
alex jones
By the way, Brennan is a frickin' known Wahhabist.
eddie bravo
Joe, look there like a detective.
What does the CIA have to do with global warming?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
What do they have to do?
That's what the CIA does.
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joe rogan
They're supposed to stop spreading communism.
eddie bravo
They were built to stop the spread of communism.
joe rogan
Right, but it's an intelligence agency.
eddie bravo
What do they have to do with the environment?
joe rogan
Okay, they're a part of the intelligence community.
And if they got hired, I would imagine, this is just me guessing right off the top of my head, if they got hired to assess a threat...
And the threat being from global warming.
Like, what do we have to worry about?
Are we really going to lose cities?
Do we really have an issue where the grid goes down?
alex jones
No, their answer is, give George Soros and the U.N. total power for a $100 trillion per decade global tax to micromanage and surveil everything humans do.
Because if carbon's toxic, they've got to surveil it.
Thus, they have a jurisdiction to control our lives.
joe rogan
Okay, hold up.
Why does it say debunked?
CIA director admits chemtrails, geoengineering, stratospheric, aerosol injections.
Guys, the Council of Foreign Relations wrote a white paper calling for it.
Hold on, hold on.
At the Council, admits geoengineering in the form of stratospheric aerosol injections, SAI, is taking place, i.e.
chemtrails.
And the rebuttal is, nowhere in his speech is there an admission that an SAI program has already taken place.
The part where Brennan mentions geoengineering is just one example out of several not-often-mentioned issues that the CIA monitors for potential That's totally possible.
alex jones
Let me break down the reality here.
joe rogan
But isn't that possible?
alex jones
Let me break down the reality.
joe rogan
What that guy just said.
Is that possible?
alex jones
No, that's basically what Brennan said.
joe rogan
But what he's saying is that there are potential threats.
alex jones
Do you want to hear what I was saying?
joe rogan
Environmentally, it's an issue.
Right?
So he's not admitting that there's an SAI program.
alex jones
No, there are.
Let me tell you.
joe rogan
Okay.
Go ahead.
Tell me.
alex jones
Everybody debates how many programs there are, all the specifics.
A lot of that's classified.
You can Google China launches major weather control operations 10 years ago.
Or Qatar does it, or Saudi Arabia, or the UK, or EU. For sure, people have studied it.
No, no.
joe rogan
Right?
alex jones
They call it study.
There's a giant...
Hell, in 2005, the Department of Energy program for aerosol testing was $5 billion a year.
So under U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1528, Paragraph B... Is that true?
joe rogan
You nailed that right there?
alex jones
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
What are you, from Mars?
alex jones
Under U.S. Code Title...
joe rogan
Do you live on that obelisk?
eddie bravo
That was fucking insane.
alex jones
Let me just tell you.
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I can't even remember the last time a cheetah fought.
eddie bravo
And this motherfucker...
alex jones
Listen, under U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1528, Paragraph B... That's insane!
joe rogan
That's insane!
Hold on, say it slow and let Jamie write it up.
alex jones
U.S. Code, Title 50, Chapter...
I've got to say it fast to remember it.
joe rogan
U.S. Code, Title 50, Chapter 32. Subsection 1528, Paragraph B. Subsection 128. The real fast brain only works at that speed.
alex jones
In fact, speech can't even say it.
It's like one thought.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
How the fuck do you know that?
Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemtrails.
Go back.
There you go.
Or biological agents.
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All right.
alex jones
Now, what they do in this is they say it's illegal to test unless it's for research.
Then you're allowed to even kill people if it's for research purposes.
joe rogan
Do you know that's how some of those Japanese whaler vessels get away with?
With killing whales still?
They say it's for research purposes.
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Exactly.
joe rogan
And they kill the whales and sell them.
It's dark shit.
alex jones
The elites are the mad scientist engineers.
I'm going to give you the big secret, man, if you want it.
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
alex jones
I'm not kidding around.
joe rogan
I know I'm not either.
alex jones
The thing is, they're the high priest.
They're scientists.
They're engineers.
They're allowed to kill people.
Test stuff on kids, inject black people with syphilis, all the declassified stuff, because they are scientists.
All the real executioners, torturers, or most of them, or people making decisions, are doctors.
And so it's all medical doctor stuff in this big breakaway civilization of scientists.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
And so that's what they've built.
And under research provisions, they can even kill anybody they want.
joe rogan
All right, I'm going to go back, because we took Eddie's turn on chemtrails, but we did it to sidetrack from what you were saying about the moon.
And I want to go back to what you're saying.
Because you were saying that there was two completely different missions, and one of them was real, and that there was some sort of contact with aliens.
alex jones
No, I was getting better.
Is that what you were implying?
Well, let's just say this.
It's mind-blowing.
I was told by a top NASA individual, Raymond Teague, that indeed there was a breakaway program and that he heard and saw transmissions on some back channels.
Of real feeds and advanced ships that he'd never even seen that basically didn't even look like they were anything that he could imagine that was classified.
And he knew about some classified programs.
For every program you saw, there was at least 10 programs that were secret.
That's admitted about NASA. 90% secret or more.
And so he knew about a bunch of classified programs, and he was seeing...
Transmissions and things coming back and talk to people about a whole breakaway program they sent that was a lot safer, a lot bigger than the moon.
And they had guys up in orbit just basically so that even other foreign governments from the trajectory point would think they were getting transmissions back from the moon.
So they had people out, basically out outside the regular orbit where you just go around in circles, or is it geosynchronous where you're in one spot, transmitting back from a mathematical spot to look like transmissions to fool the Russians and everybody while the real mission was going on on the moon.
joe rogan
So you believe they went to the moon.
Do you think that it was Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins?
alex jones
Before Raymond would tell me everything, he died.
He said, I'm going to meet with you tomorrow, and he died.
joe rogan
Dude, that's like a movie.
alex jones
He told me, I'm ready, I'm going to tell you everything, and then he was just totally, it was crazy.
eddie bravo
But he did admit to you that what the public got was fake?
alex jones
Yeah, he couldn't get into it.
joe rogan
Well, there's some footage from the moon that looks so ridiculous, and most people have never seen that.
There's some footage of them...
Here's the big speculation.
This is one of the really big ones.
There was a lot of footage that they did where they were doing tests that they wound up just using for press releases.
They're using to say, this is actual footage on the moon.
alex jones
No, that's it.
They faked stuff for the project because they wanted to be guaranteed of it.
They wanted to have footage.
That's the truth, yeah.
joe rogan
But there was a thing with Michael Collins in Gemini 15.
There was a test photo of him with a test rig on, and it was suspended.
You could see the background behind him.
It was clear that he was suspended on wires.
And they took that same photo and blacked it out and used it as a press photo of him on an actual spacewalk.
But it's the same exact photo.
alex jones
Yeah, it's PR stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do that where they just go over it.
Back then, they used to actually use an X-Acto knife.
alex jones
Here's the thing.
My dad, when he was a junior in high school, was in the Plan 2 program at UT.
And they already had CD-ROMs and computers.
And they had a nuclear plant under UT nobody knew about.
And my dad told me about this when I was a teenager, and I would later go to the library and couldn't find it.
Satan's Engineered AI Control 00:15:44
alex jones
And then I Googled it, and it's not even really in the news.
But then I've gone to UT and talked to them, and they go, yeah, you know about the reactor under the building?
joe rogan
They have a reactor?
alex jones
Yeah, that Austin's got.
And then no one even knew that Austin has two nuclear reactors in North Austin.
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What?
alex jones
Yeah, but that was after he was in college.
joe rogan
There's a reactor under which building in Austin, Texas?
alex jones
It's big.
It's a big railway system under there, but it's built right under, like I said, Jester.
joe rogan
So there's a nuclear reactor in Austin, Texas.
How many people know about this?
alex jones
You know, it's in the literature.
My dad told me about it when I was a kid.
I thought, I mean, I believe my dad.
My dad told me about a Dallas hospital that was killing people for their organs.
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What?
alex jones
And like six years later, I saw it on 60 Minutes.
joe rogan
What?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were killing people for organs?
alex jones
Yep.
joe rogan
Really?
alex jones
My dad told me about that.
joe rogan
In Dallas, Texas.
eddie bravo
And then it was on 60 Minutes?
alex jones
Yeah, my dad said, when I was 16, or 15, taking driver's course, he said, don't sign that organ donor card.
I know hospitals that kill you.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
And I said, Dad, you're a kid.
He goes, no, he was an oral surgeon in Rewired Jaws.
He goes, I've heard this one kills people all the time.
joe rogan
That is one of the creepiest things you ever hear.
How about doctors?
eddie bravo
Can you imagine doctors that get kickbacks for organs that kind of let their patients die?
alex jones
Doctors are seen as the highest cast by the elite.
So they're the ones pulling all the stuff.
I'm telling you, man.
joe rogan
You know how creepy it would be to find out that a nurse that you were working with was killing people?
That's a story that happens over and over again.
alex jones
Is that real?
joe rogan
Some crazy nurse.
alex jones
Smart killers.
joe rogan
Oh, there's been a bunch.
eddie bravo
They get paid, though?
They get a kickback?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
That should be illegal.
joe rogan
No, these nurses decide they don't want to take care of somebody, and they poison them.
They have someone, and maybe someone's dying slow, and they don't like it, and they just get tired of dealing with their bullshit.
alex jones
That's some of the time.
A lot of times they're sadistic.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, a lot of the times they're sadistic.
There's been a lot of cases.
alex jones
Dude, you're worse than I am about facts.
You're absolutely on target.
joe rogan
There's no fucking way I'm worse than you.
alex jones
You just rattle off that document.
You know everything, everything I know, and you're on target.
You just pretend you're not knowing all this stuff.
eddie bravo
The fact that you knew that document off the top of your head like that means you must have been obsessed with chemtrails, right?
alex jones
No, I know a bunch of doctors.
eddie bravo
How the fuck do you remember that shit?
joe rogan
I think he's got a crazy mind.
alex jones
I had a photographic memory until I was about 35, and now it's not good anymore.
joe rogan
Whiskey steals that from you.
alex jones
Old stuff I remember.
But I want to tell you guys the big enchilada.
joe rogan
Please, the big enchilada.
alex jones
Do I have to wear these headphones?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is when we don't have headphones on, we talk over each other.
It's hard when three people are talking.
No, it's none of our fault.
It's just natural.
alex jones
I got a conspiracy.
You are Bill Hicks.
joe rogan
No, I'm younger than him.
Totally different.
alex jones
I agree.
I love how Ivan had any success.
It's all Bill Hicks.
He was a funny guy, but give me a frickin' break, man.
joe rogan
Oh, don't listen to those people.
alex jones
And then the family's called me before and said, please stop the people saying you're Bill Hicks.
And I'm like, I don't control these damn people.
joe rogan
Don't worry about that.
Put the headphones back on.
alex jones
Put the headphones back on.
joe rogan
We'll be fine.
So, I need to know.
alex jones
Put the handcuffs back on.
joe rogan
I need to know.
What do you know about aliens?
And are aliens real?
alex jones
All right.
This is really big.
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, pour another shot of that.
Let's get this out properly.
alex jones
The question is, what does Donald Trump know about aliens?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, what does he know now, right?
Because he's in the office.
I don't know.
That would be the first thing I did.
alex jones
I think the Joe Rogan experience deserves to know.
joe rogan
The first thing I did, I would run to the office and I'd go, who's got the documents?
Who's got the alien documents?
Who's got them?
Who's got them?
That would be the first thing I would want to know, right?
Cheers, sir.
eddie bravo
Talk about boring shit while I piss.
alex jones
I gotta piss, too.
Yeah, you're a robot.
You never have to piss.
All right, let me give you my best deep research and proclamation once again.
joe rogan
What do you think is going...
Am I wrong to still hold out hope that aliens are real?
Because I'll tell you, the two guilty pleasures that I still cling to is Bigfoot and aliens.
Those are two.
Bigfoot, not so much.
I wish it was real, but I just don't think it is.
alex jones
Are you ready?
joe rogan
Yes.
Bigfoot's real?
alex jones
No.
joe rogan
Come on, Daddy.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Are you ready?
joe rogan
Yes!
alex jones
I'm going to give you the big enchilada.
Joe, there are aliens in this room right now.
joe rogan
For real?
alex jones
Yeah, you're not of this world, bro.
joe rogan
Me?
alex jones
You're the alien.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
I didn't know.
It's like, there was like an old comic book about that, about some dude who was a forgetful professor.
And then he realized at the end of it, he was actually an alien from another planet that's sent down here to monitor people.
He just forgot.
alex jones