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Joe Rogan Experience #892 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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greg fitzsimmons
Where are you going?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Seems like we were.
Now we are!
greg fitzsimmons
Hey!
joe rogan
You gonna go cans or no cans?
What are you gonna do?
I'll go with you.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm gonna go no cans.
joe rogan
You're a fucking animal.
Jesus, Fitzsimmons.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's just connect, man.
Let's mind meld.
joe rogan
I think you mind meld more with those things on.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, in some weird way.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're in each other's head.
greg fitzsimmons
I just hate my voice.
I sound like a woman.
joe rogan
You definitely don't sound like a woman.
greg fitzsimmons
Whenever I call for, like, tech support, they'll lead me through the first few steps, and then I'll be like, alright, and then I hit delete, and they'll be like, no, man, what you do is...
And then it's like, it's too far into it for me to correct them, because it feels too...
I'm too embarrassed to correct them at that point.
So then I just let them assume I'm a woman for the rest of the call.
And it's weird because then you see what it's like to be treated like a woman.
I find that they talk down to you more.
joe rogan
Especially about tech support, right?
unidentified
Oh, fuck yeah!
greg fitzsimmons
A chick on a computer?
They treat you like you're a baby.
And now is the screen blue?
Take your little mouse.
joe rogan
Why is there a difference in, like, tech stuff?
Like, why are men more attracted to tech stuff?
greg fitzsimmons
Aren't we more mathematical than women?
joe rogan
Boy, that's a weird thing to say.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, there's right on the left side of the brain, right?
joe rogan
I would say, yeah, men are much more mathematical than women, but I'm not mathematical even slightly.
So what am I, a woman?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huh?
greg fitzsimmons
You just said that like you were going to kick my ass.
joe rogan
What am I, a broad?
greg fitzsimmons
What am I, a chick?
What do I read, fucking chick lit?
joe rogan
I'm a fucking skirt.
greg fitzsimmons
I wish I was, man.
They got it made right now.
Women got it made.
joe rogan
How so?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, because there's, you know, there's this sort of like postmodern feminism coming back where, you know, with the lean in and the like, you know, women really, they really are going to start getting, I think they're still making like 80 cents on a dollar.
joe rogan
Do you know that's all bullshit?
I've heard you say that before and I wanted to correct you.
unidentified
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
You know that's not true?
greg fitzsimmons
It's not?
joe rogan
It's not true.
No.
You know what that means?
When they say women make 80 cents on the dollar?
It means overall women make 80 cents compared to the dollar that men make, but not for the same jobs.
When women and men are making the same, when they're doing the same job, The problem with that statistic is it leads you to believe that a man and a woman are working alongside each other, doing the exact same amount of work, the same amount of hours, but the woman makes less.
It's not the case.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there's a lot of executives that have been found out to be—I know a couple that are executives that were doing the same job, leading the sales team and making less money.
unidentified
Perhaps.
joe rogan
Perhaps there's a few exceptions.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But for the most part, when you talk about overall jobs, it's pretty statistically proven.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That lawyers, doctors, whatever the fuck the job is, when they're working side by side, there's very little disparity.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very little.
greg fitzsimmons
Podcasting.
joe rogan
For work, time off of work for maternal leave, of course, if they have babies, but also they tend to work less hours.
Men tend to be more ambitious, more driven, work more hours, and they get paid more because of it.
That's what it is.
It's one of those weird ones where everybody says it.
Even fucking Obama said it.
The wage gap, the income gap.
What do you mean?
Why are you saying that?
Because you're talking about...
You're talking about it as if there's some sort of discrimination, when in fact there's a natural tendency that a lot of women have to choose different jobs.
As far as nursing, overwhelmingly, it's predominantly women.
greg fitzsimmons
So you're saying if you take the total amount women make versus the total amount men make- That's where the 80 cents of the dollar comes from.
There's a difference, but it's the job choices you're saying that are different.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Job choices.
Men are much more likely to die on the job.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Men are much more likely to take high-paying, high-risk jobs like mining, things along those lines.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's what that is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of those weird ones where you repeat it.
A lot of people repeat it, and they think it's right.
They think that men and women are working alongside each other making the same amount of money.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The other thing about executives is...
And this is something that no one wants to say because it sounds sexist, but it might be that the men are earning more money.
Like, it might not just be that they're making more money.
It might be their actual performance as an executive is better.
It's entirely possible.
greg fitzsimmons
It is possible, but I can also see...
Like, if I hired a man and a woman, I would pay the woman less.
Just because, you know, men are just...
They're just better looking.
You know, you want them around more.
Women are gross.
joe rogan
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
They have periods.
Like, literally, why would I pay somebody who's bleeding on the job as much as a man?
joe rogan
I don't think you're being serious.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm glad I never have to have a workforce.
I mean, what do you got?
What do you got, one guy?
You got a few people working for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're guys.
greg fitzsimmons
All guys.
Sexy guys, too.
Now, you're a good-looking guy.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jamie's not a bad-looking dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you play sports?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What'd you play?
jamie vernon
In high school, I played basketball for four years, varsity for three.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you got a lot of pussy, I bet.
How old were you when you lost your virginity?
17. That's a little slow on the uptick there.
joe rogan
Yeah, 17. You wanted to choose wisely.
greg fitzsimmons
How old were you?
joe rogan
16?
15?
Like, almost 16, maybe?
greg fitzsimmons
Older woman, I bet.
joe rogan
No, I got molested by a girl when I was 13 and she was 21. Yeah?
Yeah, but nothing really happened.
It was one of those weird ones.
Like, she was grabbing my dick and I was all confused and I made out with her, but I was like, what the hell are we doing here?
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
I was so confused.
greg fitzsimmons
Had you hit puberty yet?
joe rogan
I mean, I guess so.
I was 13. When do you hit puberty?
I didn't hit it until I was like 15. I wasn't beating off at the time.
I actually had sex before I beat off.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's bizarre.
greg fitzsimmons
That's an accomplishment.
joe rogan
Well, I was just...
I didn't...
Once I figured out beating off, though, I was like, oh, I'm a slave.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, I'm a slave to getting rid of this cum.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Like, oh, no.
And then I realized, like, once I beat off, I was like, oh, well, I can do this myself.
And then I'm not so fucking needy and weird.
I remember the first time I was dating this girl...
The first time I beat off, and then I was like, I don't even want to call her.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't want to hang out with her.
Like, this is annoying.
Yeah.
And I realized, like, oh, it wasn't so much that I was attracted to her.
It wasn't so much that I enjoyed being around her.
I wanted to have sex with her.
And then once the sex was taken out, once I get rid of the load, I was like, oh, I don't really want to be around her.
This is just some biological trick.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, my body's tricking me into wanting to be near her and hang around with her.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
It's weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because teenage boys and girls have so little in common.
joe rogan
Nothing.
greg fitzsimmons
All you care about is sports, laughing, trying to get fucked up.
Well, you didn't really do that, but we did.
And girls at that age are just extremely social beings.
They're very much about their social circle and establishing who's in the group.
I'm just talking about my daughter is like this.
And I think that they're much more in line with...
What school is telling you to do.
They tend to do better in school because they're a little bit more linear and they're self-motivated more than boys.
We're just distracted too much.
joe rogan
I think boys also have a serious problem with authority.
When teachers are telling you what to do, you automatically don't want to do it.
That's just a natural inclination that people have.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Do you want some of those?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'm good, thanks.
unidentified
Scared?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's legal now.
greg fitzsimmons
You can blow it in my face if I'm having a problem with that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's totally legal.
greg fitzsimmons
I got a total second-hand high in the green room at the comedy store the other night.
Holy shit.
That was like, there was a cigar going, five joints going.
joe rogan
Ron White doesn't play.
He pulled out a joint yesterday.
We killed a joint.
And after the joint, he pulled out one of those vape pens, those big, gigantic robot dick ones.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, Jesus, Ron.
I go, is that weed?
He's like, oh, hell yeah, it's weed.
unidentified
Shh.
joe rogan
Good lord.
So he's got a cigar going.
He brings his own tequila because he has his own tequila company.
greg fitzsimmons
No, he doesn't.
joe rogan
Yes, he does.
So he has, it's number one tequila.
Tequila.
So he brings this bottle of tequila.
It's really good tequila.
And then he's smoking a cigar.
He's passing out shots.
He brings cups back there, handing out shots of his tequila.
Ron White is a goddamn walking party.
greg fitzsimmons
He is a walking party.
I drove him home the other night because he doesn't drink and drive.
Which I admire.
He goes to me, he goes, hey.
You want to just drive me home in my truck and then take an Uber back and then get your car and drive home?
I'm like, yeah, that's not happening.
I go, you want to ride home?
And he's like, yeah, I'll take a ride home.
I'll leave my truck here.
So he gets in my Prius, which immediately he gives me shit for the entire way.
He can barely fit in it.
And I'm going down Sunset.
Yeah, go down this way.
So I'm driving down.
All of a sudden we hit like Beverly Glen and I'm like, where's your fucking house?
He goes...
Where are we?
I go, we're in fucking, like, Bel Air or something.
And so he's like, no, no, no, go back.
So we go back all the way to the comedy store.
joe rogan
And start from scratch?
greg fitzsimmons
Start from scratch, take a right down there, and then I'm going down to fucking Cannon or something.
And he's like, nah, nah, you went too far.
I'm like, how the fuck did I know I was going too far?
What was far?
What was the spot?
And then I can't make a left.
So he goes, just make a left.
I'm late.
My wife is going to be...
I told her I was going to be home at 10.30.
I'm like, look, I'm not getting a fucking ticket.
The middle of Beverly Hills, where you get ticketed for fucking picking your nose.
I'm not making an illegal left.
He's like, no, make the left.
I'm not making the fucking left.
So I go past it and I double back.
And then I get to his place.
And you know, his place is a hotel.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Did he talk about this on your show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't want to like out his personal experience.
joe rogan
No, he definitely said the name of the hotel, but he had a water problem in his house.
unidentified
Crazy!
joe rogan
He talked about that, right?
He spent, like, I think more than two years building this house.
greg fitzsimmons
He told me five years.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he bought it and then they had to get the plans approved and then the building.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was a total process of about five years.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But I think it was two solid years then building this house.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
So he goes out of town and a water faucet broke.
And the whole house from the top floor flooded all the way down to the bottom floor.
greg fitzsimmons
And all the walls have fucking fungus and mold in them.
And it's a complete tear down.
joe rogan
Have you ever had that happen?
Do you ever have like a fungus or mold issue?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, we did.
And it wasn't lethal.
We got it tested.
It was a mold.
And my wife's very sensitive to it.
So she was getting all kinds of like allergies from it.
And they came in and the testing is fucking expensive.
And it was just, you know, it was just a leaky pipe under the house, and you know, it's in Venice, so it's kind of moist down there.
And they just, you know, they shaved it out, bagged it.
joe rogan
So it was no big deal?
greg fitzsimmons
No, but if it's the wrong kind of mold, I mean, it can cause fucking, like, your brain can go crazy.
joe rogan
Do you remember that Tom Lycus guy?
Remember Tom Lycus radio guy?
Very nice guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Great guy.
joe rogan
Tom Lycus.
greg fitzsimmons
Show us your tits Tuesday!
joe rogan
Yeah, he was crazy.
Yeah, what is it, Whip Em Out Wednesday?
greg fitzsimmons
Whip Em Out Wednesday is something you're supposed to do when you're driving on.
joe rogan
No, Opie and Anthony had one.
Opie and Anthony had Whip Em Out Wednesday, right?
And Tom had like Flash Friday.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Where you're driving down a highway or the road and you show your tits to guys and then they call in.
joe rogan
And then, you know, Opie and Anthony got mad because they thought that Tom like stole the idea from them.
And I'm like, listen, boys, it's just tits.
The more tits come out, the better.
Stop not encouraging people.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
Every radio show in the country should have a day where women show their tits.
joe rogan
I mean, it should be just a part of what people do.
greg fitzsimmons
I was doing, you know, Bubba the Love Sponge, right?
Down in Tampa.
That dude is fucking out there.
As we know, because his wife had sex with Hulk Hogan and there was a videotape of it going around.
Which he basically got a web...
What's the website that got shut down?
Gawker.
Gawker fucking folded because of that lawsuit from Bubba.
Or was it...
Wait, who did the lawsuit?
Bubba or Hulk?
joe rogan
Hulk did.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, Hulk did it.
So I go down to Bubba's place, and it's so weird because Tampa is a fucking eerie, mystical place anyway.
And so they pick me up to go to radio, and we're going down these back roads through swamps and shit, and we pass a Girl Scout camp.
And then all of a sudden, there's this long driveway.
It's like a picture.
You picture the Allman Brothers must be making a new album at the end of this fucking shack.
And you go back there, and you go in, and they're like, all right, this is Bubba's place.
And there's a midget on a couch in the waiting room, and he had pissed the couch.
Like, they got him drunk on the show, so drunk that he pissed himself in the studio, so they put him out on the couch.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
greg fitzsimmons
And he was angry.
Like, he was angry at me, and I'm like, dude, I have no idea your situation.
I'm next.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And so I walk in, and everybody's drinking Pabst Blue Ribbons.
This is like 7 o'clock in the morning.
Everybody's drinking Pabst Blue Ribbons, and they give me this joint to smoke, which I didn't expect it to be that strong, and I was ripped out of my mind.
So I go into the studio, and Bubba has a 12-gauge Israeli handgun, which is a fucking monster.
joe rogan
Like a shotgun handgun?
greg fitzsimmons
Something like that.
He pulls it, it's huge.
joe rogan
12 gauge is like a shotgun.
greg fitzsimmons
He said it was a 12 gauge.
Maybe I got it wrong.
But it's huge.
joe rogan
Okay, it's huge.
greg fitzsimmons
Pulls it out, and he's like, my phone just started Googling.
joe rogan
Did you say, hey Siri?
greg fitzsimmons
I didn't.
Now it's doing.
So he pulls it out, and he's like, no, no, no, it's cool.
And I'm like, well then why did your entire staff just fucking run out of the studio?
And I'm the only one in here, and I'm stoned, and it's 7 o'clock in the morning.
And so he's waving it around and then he starts taking calls because he sent he sends this van out.
They call it the handjob, the handjob van.
And they pull up to office buildings and they entice guys to get in the van with this hooker who gives them handjobs live on the radio before they go to work.
And that goes on.
And then a call comes in from a guy who's about to rob a bank in Michigan.
I guess the show syndicates to Michigan.
And so he's talking this guy out of robbing a bank.
The guy was for real.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
greg fitzsimmons
And this all goes on.
I mean, this went on for like two and a half hours.
And then all of a sudden it just ended and I walked out.
I felt like, what's his name, in training day.
Ethan Hawke, you know, after he'd just fucking tripped and been led through this gauntlet of...
And I go back every time.
Fucking love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did it once.
It was fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a good dude.
The morning radio thing, that can fucking get you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was just thinking, what was that guy who was an athlete that shot his driver?
Do you remember that story?
greg fitzsimmons
He was a radio guy?
joe rogan
No.
He was a professional athlete and he pulled out a gun.
jamie vernon
Jason Williams?
joe rogan
Is that who it is?
Is that his name?
jamie vernon
I'll double check.
joe rogan
Um, but he had like a limo driver, and apparently he pulled out a gun, he was like playing with a gun, and accidentally shot and killed his limo driver.
And it was like, whoa.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I'm like, what the fuck?
jamie vernon
So it was Jason Williams, he was a basketball player.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, Pulp Fiction.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that kind of stuff happens.
Imagine if you got shot by Bubba the Lustbunch.
Like, that's how it ends?
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
That's how you go to the next stage of life?
You got accidentally shot by Bubba.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Here it is.
joe rogan
Jason Williams.
I was a coward for covering up the shooting of the limo driver.
unidentified
I mean, is he free now?
jamie vernon
He spent 26 months in prison starting in 2010, so yeah, maybe.
greg fitzsimmons
Battle with alcoholism.
Well, here's the thing.
joe rogan
Incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, he shot him with a 12-gauge shotgun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
But here's the thing.
Say you kill a guy by accident with a gun.
You then have a choice to cover it up or come forward and say, I did this.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Now, existentially, is it so wrong to cover it up?
I mean, you're going to feel bad for the rest of your life.
You don't really need to be punished.
It's not going to change how his family feels about it.
Just say somebody else shot him.
joe rogan
That's a deep argument.
unidentified
A deep argument about ethics.
joe rogan
Because you're gonna, you know, you're gonna face a hailstorm of hate.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
No one's gonna believe you.
If you say it was an accident, people are gonna absolutely assume that you murdered them.
You know, they're gonna pursue it that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But on the other hand, you did fucking kill a guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Alright, what if, here's a more innocuous situation, you're driving down an alley late at night, and a homeless person walks out in front of your car, and you hit him, and he dies.
You can either just drive away, wash your car, and know that a homeless guy is no more.
Or you can go get the police and say, I was speeding, and I killed a man.
It's like that Johnny Cash song.
joe rogan
Isn't it fascinating that when you say that story, when you give that scenario, that a homeless person in some way or another makes it less fucked up?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I just mean in terms of the family blaming you for it.
joe rogan
No, I understand.
greg fitzsimmons
Nobody's going to blame you for this.
joe rogan
But even so, it's not as bad a scenario as hitting a nice person who's got their shit together.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's like if you kill somebody and you get sued by the family, depending on it, like if you kill a child and you get sued, you don't have to pay a lot of money.
But if you kill a guy who's supporting his family, they'll take everything you got.
So that life in the eyes of the law is worth more.
joe rogan
How strange is it that we put a monetary value on actual life itself?
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's just such a strange, strange concept.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you see that guy accidentally hit that moose with his car?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
Jamie, pull that video up.
I tweeted it.
This guy's driving down the road, like somewhere, probably near where they kicked you out of that club that one night and made you drive home, even though you're not supposed to drive home at night because of Moose.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
They kicked you out.
greg fitzsimmons
Greg was doing a gig.
joe rogan
It was supposed to be a clean gig.
He gets up there, he starts swearing.
They kicked him off.
They kicked him out.
They had his bags packed by the time he gets off stage.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you're supposed to spend the night at the hotel after you do the gig, and they fucking five-hour drive.
Look at this.
unidentified
Watch this.
Look at this.
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's fucking crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn!
joe rogan
Crazy.
Why was that guy videotaping?
Everybody else had slowed down.
All these other people had slowed down because these moose were out and these people had seen the moose and they were kind of checking it out.
But look, this guy fucking hits it full on and sends everything flying.
greg fitzsimmons
That was like an Olympic tumble.
joe rogan
You gotta wonder, like, is that moose dead now?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm surprised the car wasn't trashed more.
joe rogan
Do you think that moose is dead?
jamie vernon
It got up and walked away a little bit.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Look at that.
That is insane.
greg fitzsimmons
Something flew off him.
He lost a hoof or something.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever hit an animal?
joe rogan
No.
No, not like that.
I've hit squirrels and rabbits.
greg fitzsimmons
I ran over a raccoon once.
A big raccoon.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
It made a big thumping noise under the car.
I was...
Grossed out for hours.
Just disturbed.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Look at that.
That thing goes flying.
That's a huge animal.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
They're dangerous.
joe rogan
In that sense, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I think moose are dangerous in the wild.
joe rogan
They can be.
They're one of the few deer species that'll go after you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably the only one.
I mean, maybe an elk would go after you, maybe, but it's pretty rare.
Like, you have to fuck up to get an elk to attack you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're too close to a mama moose, and she's got her babies near her, she'll just fuck you up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was this kid that got killed, I want to say it was on a campus somewhere in Alaska, and apparently someone had been throwing snowballs at the moose, and they had agitated the moose.
And this guy just walked in, wrong place, wrong time, and the moose just started stomping the shit out of him.
It's really hard to watch.
This guy just gets stomped and stomped and stomped by this huge animal.
I mean, it's enormous.
And she's rearing up and trying to kill him and keeps stomping on him.
It's just horrific.
He's just bang, bang, bang, just getting pummeled by these...
I mean, this thing is a thousand pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
And it was because they were throwing snowballs at him?
joe rogan
Because somebody else apparently had been agitating the moose before this guy got there.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Don't fuck with wildlife, man.
joe rogan
Not that kind.
That's a bad one to fuck with.
You know, you gotta think in their environment, they're fighting off bears and wolves and shit.
They're just constantly, like, kicking at things.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you ever been, not attacked, but have you had an animal, like, had you lined up in the crosshairs when you're hunting or anything?
joe rogan
Not that I know of.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever had a bear, like, come at you?
joe rogan
I've had a bear, like, encounters with bears.
It's weird.
You see them, but most of the time they just run away.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I saw a grizzly bear once.
That was a weird one because they have a different way of looking at you as opposed to like a regular bear does like a brown bear is a more aggressive bear in terms of like it's more of a hunter whereas black bears they're kind of hunters but they're more I think they tend to eat more berries and things along those lines but those big ass brown bears they have to be like really aggressive because they're so big like you gotta feed a thousand pound body or whatever the fuck they wear Do they eat meat?
Oh yeah What
unidentified
do they eat?
joe rogan
But they just have to eat a lot.
greg fitzsimmons
You usually kill something for the winter to eat, right?
joe rogan
Usually an elk.
That's what I've been trying to.
I did.
I got one.
greg fitzsimmons
Already this year?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got one this year.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you did.
Okay.
Is that the one you were carrying?
joe rogan
When?
When was that?
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't you show me a picture of you fucking carrying an animal on your back that you had killed?
joe rogan
I think that was a different one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't carry an elk on your back.
It's way too big.
Yeah.
An elk is like a thousand pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
So you cut it up out in the wild?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you put it in coolers or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did it at this ranch, and they have a bunch of guys that work at the ranch that just drag it into a pickup truck, and then you take it to this cold storage area, and in the cold storage area, they break it down.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
But what you do is you just cut the quarters off.
joe rogan
You cut the legs off, and you break it down just like a butcher shop does.
It's really...
Very...
It's very weird to see, man, because it becomes meat.
It starts off an animal, and then it becomes meat, as opposed to just seeing meat.
Once it's down, and you start breaking it down, it's like a sober, sober reminder of what meat actually is.
One day they're going to have that...
Lab test tube meat that they're working on.
You know that stuff they're doing?
One day they're going to have that.
That's going to be fully available.
And there's going to be no more.
greg fitzsimmons
Last night I was talking to the chef at the Laugh Factory, or the comedy store.
You know, the cook back there?
The guy that just fucking smiles all the time.
If you want some good energy, man, just go back there and talk to that guy for a little while.
And I'm like, so what'd you eat for Christmas?
What'd you make?
And he goes, I think the turkey!
I cut it up, I put it in the blender with a little bit of oil, and I fucking chop it up.
unidentified
Put it on sandwiches with some lettuce and some tomato.
greg fitzsimmons
I give it to my kids.
I'm like, you blend fucking turkey meat.
Oh yeah, man!
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
I go, what else do you put in the blender?
He goes, just a little bit of oil.
joe rogan
Maybe it's good.
It sounds like a chicken salad type thing.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
Chicken salad's good.
greg fitzsimmons
And that would keep, after that, I mean, we have so much goddamn turkey meat in our fridge.
We got turkey and ham meat, because we did a couple of different dinners.
joe rogan
Do you do the deep fried turkey?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I hear that's the way to go.
joe rogan
Dude, that's the way to go.
greg fitzsimmons
You have a fryer?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can buy them where you stick the turkey, like these prongs stick into it, and then you just sort of lower it into this vat.
greg fitzsimmons
For like 20 minutes, right?
joe rogan
It's like there's a certain time per pound of bird, like however big the bird is, but it's so good, dude, because you cook it in peanut oil, and it's just juicy and delicious and crispy on the outside.
It's my all-time favorite way to get a turkey.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, man, turkeys, all that factory farm shit, as I get older, is freaking me out more and more.
It freaks me out.
Like, buying chickens in the store freaks me out.
greg fitzsimmons
Because of the way you know they were treated?
joe rogan
100%.
Yeah.
Chickens, that's the big one that freaks me out.
Because there's something like chickens and pigs.
Because there's something that we do with chickens where you can't really do with a cow.
We stack them on top of each other.
Just smush them all into these places where they can't even fucking move.
They're just stuck there.
And then they wait until they get to a certain size, and then they kill them.
And it's like, whew!
It's like they're a human, or not human, a living organism that's a battery.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like a power supply to people.
Yeah, and as they're doing it, they're pumping them full of chemicals that make them get fatter and bigger.
joe rogan
Is that true?
I know they definitely have used chemicals on the birds, I'm sure.
But I don't know if they use them on them all the time.
I think the thing that's going on with those birds is genetic selection.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where they've just genetically made certain birds breed with certain birds.
They've established this gene...
This genetic selection where they're just like super fucking plump and like ridiculously big breasts and then they get those to do that in a very short period of time and then they kill them.
greg fitzsimmons
And they can't walk because their chests are so big they fall over forwards.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's like what they did with bulldogs.
Like how the fuck did they make a bulldog out of a wolf?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How'd they do that?
greg fitzsimmons
That's why they can't fucking breathe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, pugs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That used to be a wolf.
greg fitzsimmons
That's so sad.
joe rogan
That was a wolf.
greg fitzsimmons
Somehow.
And they made the face smaller because they wanted it to be cuter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
A cute dog is having a fucking asthma attack his entire life.
joe rogan
Dude, how strange is that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but the chickens, and I think the only criteria for the chicken pen is that the chicken has to be able to turn around in it.
That's it.
That's how big it has to be.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
And they're getting shit on by all the chickens above it their whole life.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Is that really how it works?
How many do they stack on top of each other?
greg fitzsimmons
Twelve.
joe rogan
For real?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I don't know, but a lot.
joe rogan
Say a hundred.
It should have went crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
A hundred.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Imagine a hundred floors of chickens.
unidentified
Ah!
Shitting on each other, pecked into this place.
joe rogan
But that's like taking an organism and using it as cells in a battery.
It really is.
It's like you're taking these chickens and you're literally compartmentalizing them into a specific size, like a cell.
And the mitochondria of the cell is this chicken.
And you've got hundreds and hundreds of them stacked into this place.
They're like these living organisms that you've got locked into these clearly defined spaces, and you're extracting energy from those chickens.
You're extracting food from them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they're just protein bars.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it is fucking bizarre.
It's a bizarre practice.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
Even when they're not in cages, they have them so...
Smushed together.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They can't even fucking move.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not fun.
They're not having a good time.
But it's not the only way to raise chickens.
That's the problem.
I had this guy, Joel Salatin, on the podcast a while back.
Really, really interesting guy.
And he runs...
I think his farm's called Polyface Farm.
But he's into...
He's got...
These things that he does with these chickens, where he puts them in these giant chicken houses that are on wheels, and he'll roll them into an area, and then you just let them out.
And then they run around.
At the end of the day, they go right back in, because that's what they do.
They go into their nests again, and then you roll them down a hill to another place.
And then he has these pigs.
He takes pigs and he puts a fence around the pigs, a movable fence.
And the pigs just stay inside that fence and eat whatever the fuck they want.
And then the next day they move the fence.
And they keep doing it.
So he's got these animals like that.
Those chickens, they're living like fucking chickens.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they're enjoying life.
joe rogan
They don't freak out when he comes near them.
And this guy is like the prime example of what you would think of as like an intelligent...
An intelligent take on ethical farming practices.
greg fitzsimmons
I think when Purdue and a lot of these houses buy from you, you have to use their cages and their feet.
It's a franchise like McDonald's.
When you raise livestock for a lot of these big aggro, it's specific.
They want it done a certain way.
And if you don't, they don't buy from you.
It's very hard to be independent like that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
So, like, if you're a poultry grower, you, like, if you want to work for Purdue, you, like, grow chickens for them.
You don't think they grow their own chickens?
Like, how does that work?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I think you get a contract with them, and they come in and buy your stuff, but it's all got to be done, as I say, Tyson.
joe rogan
Contract poultry farming.
Read that out there, Gregory.
Tyson Foods is one of the leading supporters of American agriculture, paying more than $15 billion annually to independent farmers who supply us with cattle, hogs and chickens.
We depend on more than 11,000 independent farmers across the country.
This includes more than 4,000 poultry farmers who contact us to raise chickens.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
That's their website.
It's all done with a lot of leverage, and you have to do things exactly the way they want you to.
I think it was Food Inc.
or something that did a documentary about it.
joe rogan
I was watching this documentary today that was on Digg.
I found it.
It was about this guy who was like this super badass sushi chef in Japan, like the best sushi chef in Tokyo right now, I guess they were saying.
And it's really interesting, like watching this guy acquire the fish and how he talks about how he ages the fish.
Like, I didn't know that.
Did you know that when they catch tuna, they'll often age them for five days?
No shit!
Yeah, and then they age them a lot of times at the fish market before he takes it, or he takes it back and he'll age it another five days more.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
So they might, you know, they might keep shit for like two weeks before you eat it to make it more tender.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
He's doing that with tuna.
Yeah, I was watching this and I was like, wow.
This is, when Jamie and I were talking about it, we were like, What are they going to do when they kill all the fish?
Like, how long does it take to grow a fucking tuna that big?
This guy has his tuna, right?
And they're sawing it with a giant Paul Bunyan saw.
I mean, it's a fucking huge tuna.
The video is really cool.
And the people who made the video were like obvious, like serious sushi dorks.
So they're like super amped up to be getting some sushi from this dude.
But all I could think of was, how many fish are there?
How many days can we do that?
Every day, they're just sucking them out of the ocean.
Every day.
Every day.
greg fitzsimmons
And there used to be areas where they restricted how much fishing went on, and now it's like, it's a free-for-all.
joe rogan
Well, under Donald Trump, we're going to fix all this.
greg fitzsimmons
Thank God.
I've been pulled for Trump since I was a little kid.
Just the concept of Trump, I've always been really into.
I remember studying the Constitution as a kid and thinking, this is fucking bullshit.
We need a guy who's got some balls, who's gonna come in and get around all this fucking liberal bullshit.
I'm just kidding.
I think of the apocalypse is upon us.
I really think it's over.
I mean, he hasn't even taken office yet, and he's already alienated China.
He thinks he's friends—the best part is he thinks he's friends with Russia.
That's like hanging out with a school bully and thinking you're safe until one day you say something the bully doesn't like, and he fucking cracks you in the face, and you realize he's just a broken child.
joe rogan
You know way more about this than I do, because I've spent the majority of my adult life ignoring almost everything about how the system works.
greg fitzsimmons
You win.
joe rogan
How much power does he really have?
greg fitzsimmons
The president?
joe rogan
Yeah.
How much power does he really have in terms of decisions to be made for things like any sort of a military action?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, what you've already seen is by taking a phone call from Taiwan, a simple act that he didn't think twice about, that opened up the floodgates to China saying that we are recognizing Taiwan as an independent state, which has been...
There's been a one-China policy going back to Nixon, which basically ensured that it clamped down on the Cold War.
And it said, we're not going to keep building up against each other.
And part of that is, we're going to live by certain doctrines, like the one-China policy.
And when he takes a call from Taiwan, something as simple as that, all of a sudden, China's talking about a nuclear buildup.
It's that simple.
It's not about what laws he enacts.
It's about him as a spokesman for our country and what messages he sends out.
I mean, it's like Obama did it with Israel.
I don't know why, but in his 11th hour, he has soured relations with Israel to the point where, you know, even though he's a lame duck president on his way out, it was a destructive thing he did.
I don't know if I disagree with it.
joe rogan
What did he do?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the UN had a resolution that was saying that Israel has new developments in the West Bank, which are illegal according to previous UN resolutions.
And so, I don't know what they're calling it, but it's illegal what they've done.
And the U.S. signed on to it.
joe rogan
So, they set up these settlements in...
Palestinian territory?
Is that what it is?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the disputed Palestinian territory.
joe rogan
And they just decided to start building there?
greg fitzsimmons
They've been building there for years.
And they put up like 600 homes, but they're planning on putting up 5,000.
In an area that, you know, there is no peace over there, but what's keeping it from being an all-out war is that area that is supposed to be kept neutral for now, and now they're building on it.
joe rogan
Why would someone want to build?
Are they running out of land?
They can't build other places?
greg fitzsimmons
No, they don't recognize the Palestinians.
And so they see that that's all their land still.
And so they won't stop.
They will continue building and pushing out.
I mean, the tide has turned on Israel, from what I can tell.
And I don't follow Israel very closely at all, except for when I hear people yelling about it at parties that I'm at.
Because I have friends that are hardcore Zionists, and I have friends that are hardcore anti-Zionists.
And they're totally rational people, and they can joke around about talking about fucking your mother and blah, blah, blah.
But as soon as Israel comes up, shit gets real.
And they talk about, you know, I think the tide has turned.
There's a lot more people that are seeing Israel as a terrorist state.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
They're very aggressive.
Netanyahu is just a fucking...
He's a bull.
joe rogan
What's the right resolution?
What's the right resolution?
Because how much is in dispute?
Like, how much territory?
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
This seems like a small place, doesn't it?
joe rogan
Seems very small.
Isn't Israel the size of Connecticut or some shit like that?
How big is it?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't think it's very big, but it's where it's located.
joe rogan
So let's find out.
How big is Israel?
It's just a hotly charged subject.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
It's one of the most charged subjects in all of any kind of commentary.
greg fitzsimmons
Because you're talking about the Holocaust survivors, basically.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you're talking about people that are right next to each other with opposing ideologies and various There's no reasons for being righteous.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and Iran, Iran, looking at Israel as...
joe rogan
I like how you corrected that.
greg fitzsimmons
I said it right, right?
Is it Iran?
joe rogan
I think it's Iran.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Saying that they don't have a right to exist and that they're going to throw a nuclear bomb over there.
joe rogan
Did you see that...
What is the guy from Pakistan?
Who was it, Jamie, that got duped by a fake news story?
greg fitzsimmons
Jamie Masada?
joe rogan
No, not that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I did see that.
joe rogan
And the guy got duped by a fake news story and said some inflammatory shit about causing a war.
And all of a sudden it's like, whoa, you guys got all up in arms about a fake story.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what in the fuck is going on?
greg fitzsimmons
What do you think was the first fake news story?
Because you go back to, you know...
I was thinking about what was an old fake news story was...
unidentified
Fake news stories.
joe rogan
I've probably been around for a long time.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the Bible was a giant fake news story.
joe rogan
How dare you?
They did their best.
They did their best to remember the stories.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find a good map.
I think part of the problem, too, is the arguments over the maps.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
This is just one I... Does it say, like, I just want to know, like, I'm too stupid to know what that is, so why don't you, like, ask Google compared to a state.
Because I think there's a simple comparison, I just don't remember what it is.
It's like Connecticut or something like that.
Or maybe Massachusetts.
Size, comparison, map, Israel, and USA. Anyway.
What were we just talking about?
greg fitzsimmons
Israel and USA size comparison.
joe rogan
Oh, fake news.
jamie vernon
There you go, New Jersey.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah.
So it's basically the size of New Jersey.
greg fitzsimmons
And New Jersey is building a lot of homes.
joe rogan
It looks a little bigger than New Jersey.
But look at that.
It fits in Lake Michigan.
You can stick Israel in Lake Michigan.
What the fuck?
How big is Lake Michigan?
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that insane?
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
A giant ocean of water.
greg fitzsimmons
That you could surf on Lake Michigan.
joe rogan
What's the one that's near Chicago?
greg fitzsimmons
Lake Michigan.
joe rogan
That's Lake Michigan.
I used to date a girl, and when she was a kid, her...
greg fitzsimmons
You dated her when she was a kid?
joe rogan
No, dude.
A story she told when she was a kid.
How dare you?
When she was a kid, she was in a storm on Lake Michigan where they had to turn into the waves over and over and over again all night.
They were not safe.
They were in danger of being capsized by the waves on a fucking lake.
greg fitzsimmons
That's amazing.
joe rogan
And I think it was her stepdad, I forget who was steering the boat, but...
Was just wrecked by the end of the day.
Like, his arms were falling off.
Like, he barely could use his arms.
Because, like, he had to keep turning the boat all night long.
They had to strap everyone down to the boat.
On a fucking lake.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
On a lake.
Not the ocean.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I don't care where you put a boat in.
You got whatever's coming to you.
joe rogan
Is that Lake Michigan?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Look at the waves.
jamie vernon
25-foot waves on Lake Michigan, it says.
joe rogan
25 foot waves on a lake.
That's so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's all that wind that comes in.
unidentified
It's just an immense puddle.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That used to be a fucking glacier.
Glaciers that are in some places as high as two miles high.
And they became all that stuff.
It's nuts, man.
I have a buddy of mine who lives in Wisconsin in the Driftless area.
It's like the area where the glaciers didn't hit.
It's really kind of cool, because it's all these hills and crazy, beautiful topography.
The rest of the place, like an eraser came along, just flattened that motherfucker out.
greg fitzsimmons
Just from the weight of the glaciers pushing down on the land.
joe rogan
The glacier just pushing forward and crushing everything in its path.
Literally like God's eraser.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's when the wind whips up because there's nothing stopping that wind.
joe rogan
Nothing.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, I remember driving through, I think it was North Dakota.
It was North Dakota.
And I was driving from, I think, Iowa or Nebraska into North Dakota.
I was doing a college gig, and the gig was that night, and it was like a good four-hour drive.
And they told me, look, this is a single-lane road.
It's the only way there, and it's flat as shit, and it's windy out.
So be careful.
So I'm in my rent-a-car, and snow starts as I'm driving.
And the snow is just going vertically across the road.
And it starts to build up.
It starts to build up.
There's snow on the road.
And all of a sudden, I'm like halfway there, and it's fucking white-out conditions.
All I can see is the light, the snow in my headlights ahead of me.
And for a long time, I was just looking at the line on the road and following that.
Line disappeared.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
greg fitzsimmons
And I fucking freak out.
And so I just pull what I think is to the side of the road.
Because I don't know where I'm driving.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And I wait, and all of a sudden I see headlights coming from behind me.
Fucking 18-wheeler, barreling down, hoping he sees me.
He passes me, and I immediately get behind him, and I rode that motherfucker for two hours to get to the school.
Shaking.
Fucking shaking.
And I got to the gig and it was like these kids, it was like fucking Jesus Christ had shown up in their town.
They were like, you made it!
We have no life!
This is our only entertainment all year!
And so we did a show and so many people came that they added a second show.
But half the kids stayed for the second show.
So it was definitely one of those, your material got told that night, Joe Rogan.
I guarantee you that.
Yours, Don Gavin, Steve Sweeney's, Todd Parker's.
I'm fucking ripping every joke out of my ass I can think of on that second show.
They paid me double.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
And I couldn't get out of there for two days afterwards.
unidentified
Two days?
greg fitzsimmons
We were snowed in.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
There was so much uncertainty in the winters in Boston.
You weren't certain if you were going to get home.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
That's right.
joe rogan
I think that's important for people to understand that don't live in a place like that.
If you got hit with a big January snowstorm and it hit while you were at work, if you got to work, first of all, there'd be warnings.
Everywhere there'd be warnings.
They'd cancel school before the first fucking drop of snow fell.
unidentified
That's right.
Right?
joe rogan
They don't freak out about, like, big blizzards.
But if a big one hit, and you fucked up, and you weren't paying attention, you could get stuck wherever the fuck you are.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, highways just stopped.
joe rogan
For days.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
It takes forever for them to chew all that snow away.
And if it stays cold, in Boston, I mean, it will stay cold for a long fucking time.
Yeah.
Black piles of ice, ice that had just gotten road grime and exhaust on it, but it was too cold for it to melt.
So they would just push that shit to the side.
It would narrow the fucking highway.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
Yeah, they'd get out there with those trucks, throwing the salt and the sand down.
I mean, they'd be out there before the snow even started.
They were laying down salts.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was why if you got an old car, you wanted to get a California car.
They didn't use salt on the roads.
If you got an old car in Boston, the fucking fenders were all rotted out.
Everything rotted out because of all that salt.
greg fitzsimmons
And they had to constantly re-up the highways.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
It's just chewing through it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But isn't that kind of the only way to ensure that shit's going to melt?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You kind of have to salt it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
Salt it.
I think they sand it more than they salt it now.
They probably...
You know where they get this?
They get the salt from, like, on these giant fucking barges from South America.
joe rogan
Salt wars, like the old days.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that right?
joe rogan
No.
But imagine...
They used to go to war for salt.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you mean like way, way back?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Salt, it's amazing that we give it away for free because if you really think of what it was worth like five, six hundred years ago, salt was incredibly valuable, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Why?
Because food was so bland?
joe rogan
No, to preserve food.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They didn't have refrigeration.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, their meat, if you cover the outside of it with salt, the bacteria can't eat the meat.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And it slows the decaying process.
You could dry things out and salt them, and there's a way to preserve food.
Like, an important way to preserve food.
I think...
I don't know how long you could have a piece of meat and just cover it with salt and leave it laying around at room temperature, but I think it's a lot more than it would if you didn't have the salt.
And I think it's one of the reasons why it was one of the most valuable things in the world at one point in time, which is crazy now when you think about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and everything you ate must have been salty as shit.
People must have just gotten used to the taste of salt.
joe rogan
Do you remember when everybody was thinking that salt causes high blood pressure?
greg fitzsimmons
And then it doesn't?
joe rogan
Remember that one?
No.
No, it's a mineral.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like you're not supposed to have too much of it, but that's not what's wrong.
Like, what else is going on?
And then there was this study that came out recently.
A paper that came out recently that was pointing to the sugar industry accepting bribes or giving bribes to scientists in the 1950s and 60s.
Did you see that?
To push the blame away from sugar and onto saturated fat.
greg fitzsimmons
The amount of heart disease that it causes.
Sugar has become the new salt.
It's become the new cholesterol.
It's become the new everything.
It's everybody's fear.
Yeah, it's everybody's fear now.
joe rogan
How do salt and sugar prevent microbial spoilage?
jamie vernon
It says that they use sugar and salt the same way to prevent...
joe rogan
Oh, sugar too?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Well, it would taste better that way, probably.
Okay, so it says protection of foods from microbial spoilage using salt, usually sodium chloride or sugar, usually sucrose, has ancient roots and is often referred to as salting, salt curing, corning or sugar curing.
Pieces of rock salt used for curing are sometimes called corns, hence the name corned beef.
greg fitzsimmons
Ah, I always wondered why they called it corned beef.
joe rogan
No shit.
jamie vernon
Down here it shows what it does.
unidentified
Fascinating!
joe rogan
Okay, where is it, Chad?
jamie vernon
Sorry.
joe rogan
Where does it say where it goes?
jamie vernon
Several ways here.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Several ways in which salt and sugar inhibit microbial growth.
Most notable is simple osmosis or dehydration.
Salt or sugar, whether in solid or aqueous form, attempts to reach equilibrium with the salt or sugar content of the food product with...
This has the effect of drawing available water from within the food to the outside and inserting salt or sugar molecules into the food interior.
The result is a reduction of the so-called water activity measure of unbound free water molecules in the food that is necessary for microbial survival and growth.
That is fucking fascinating.
greg fitzsimmons
That is.
I never thought about how, because I always think about when I put salt on my food, it seems like, especially with sea salt, where they're so big, the particles, that you don't just get like, that it doesn't spread.
But then when you eat the food, like say you put it in your mashed potatoes.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
It spreads really evenly throughout the mashed potatoes.
I don't realize there's all that chemical reactions going on between all the cells in the potatoes and the salt.
It's flowing back and forth.
joe rogan
I mean, think about how difficult it must have been to get fresh food to a city in 1700. Throwing salt on everything and packing things in salt and taking them down the road on the back of wagons being pulled by horses.
greg fitzsimmons
With out-of-control mosquitoes and flies on everything.
joe rogan
Wow.
That was for so long how people lived.
For so long.
greg fitzsimmons
Open wagons.
There was no, like, airtight compartments.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I bet Kings had some pretty dope compartments.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like in Game of Thrones.
They were, like, sitting there, like, just chilling.
How long is this ride?
The horses are pulling their wagon along.
They're fanning themselves and shit.
That had to happen, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was, like, the real pimps.
Like, if you were a dude, you could pick a chick up and take her to the back of the carriage.
She'd be like, oh, my God, you have your own carriage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, baby.
Come on, carriage.
greg fitzsimmons
And you have your own hepatitis.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Did they have hepatitis back then?
When do you think the first VD came into play?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, syphilis was probably the first one.
I mean, you read about it in the Bible.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, syphilis was all over the place.
I think, you know...
joe rogan
What'd they call it?
greg fitzsimmons
I think they called it syphilis.
Really?
Didn't they?
The clap?
I think syphilis is the clap.
joe rogan
Do you think that happens in animals?
Do you think animals give each other herpes?
greg fitzsimmons
I never thought about that.
My friend's got a herpes blister.
It busts out like every couple months.
She just showed me this morning.
She's like, come on, give me a kiss.
It's the size of a dime.
joe rogan
Was it on her lip?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I used to get those.
greg fitzsimmons
It's such a shame because she's beautiful.
joe rogan
She changed her diet.
jamie vernon
Koalas have chlamydia, right?
joe rogan
Do they?
jamie vernon
They're known for having chlamydia.
joe rogan
Why are you looking at me like, of course you know?
unidentified
I thought you knew.
greg fitzsimmons
It doesn't count if it's a stuffed animal.
joe rogan
He's looking at me.
Koalas have chlamydia.
You know it, right?
jamie vernon
They don't all have it, but it's a thing.
I thought I heard they spread STDs.
joe rogan
Well, it looks like it in this article.
It says koala, chlamydia, the STD threatening an Australian icon.
jamie vernon
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, didn't AIDS come from a monkey, or is that a myth?
joe rogan
That, man, I wish I could remember exactly how to answer this because I listened to a radio lab podcast called Patient Zero, I think it was, that was all about this.
They were trying to figure out who was the first person that contracted the HIV virus.
And it did have something to do with someone who was tending to meet that he had killed of a chimpanzee and maybe perhaps had an open cut.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was one of the speculations.
greg fitzsimmons
Which, of course, turned into somebody fucked a monkey.
That's just the American translation of facts.
joe rogan
It's the fucking natural one with people, huh?
Some dude fucked a monkey.
How else do you get an STD from a monkey?
You gotta fuck it.
Did you ever see that Chappelle bit?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my gosh.
Chappelle had one of the funniest bits of all time.
unidentified
He goes, do you know how hard it would be to fuck a monkey?
And it's like, once he said it, I was like, I never even thought of that.
joe rogan
Imagine the battle that you would have to go through to actually fuck a monkey.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And you just think it's a given.
Like, you know, hey, I'm gonna have some dry days.
I'll go fuck a monkey.
Not so easy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I do a bit in my act that's true about my cat biting me in the hand and me getting pissed at him.
I'm like, what the fuck, dude?
And he's looking at me and his ears are pulled back.
A cat is a fucking powerful little animal, but it's nothing compared to a monkey.
Monkeys throw themselves through the air.
Little tiny body just swings itself through the air, catches itself, throws itself through the air.
They can do ridiculous shit with their bodies.
You gotta think, if they get a hold of you, if that thing bites your face, if it gets a hold of your neck, it might look little.
You know, especially if it's a chimp, like a little baby chimp we had on the set of news radio.
And it was like a two-year-old chimp.
And this thing slapped me in my back.
Like, dude!
It kind of like, you let him climb on you, he kind of does whatever he wants because he's a baby.
He wasn't trying to hurt me.
But first of all, he felt like he was made out of corded wood.
It was like a wooden animal.
He might have been like this big.
You could kind of pick him up and carry him.
But he felt like nothing like a person feels.
Like nothing.
He was just solid muscle.
And he just slapped me on the back.
And all I could think of was like, a big one of these?
A real full-grown one of these things?
greg fitzsimmons
And they get aggressive around people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
When we were down in, we were in South Africa in Cape Town, and we were taking a walk down to the Cape of Good, Cape of whatever, at the tip, the very tip of South Africa.
And there's a field that you walk through with a path, and the rangers came up to us, and my son was about, maybe about three years old.
And he said to us, yeah, you're going to want to hold him the whole time.
And we're like, why?
They're like, chimps will take him.
They'll just come down and grab them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll steal your kid and eat it.
Yeah.
That's real.
greg fitzsimmons
Can you imagine that?
You go on a trip with your kid, you come back with no kid.
joe rogan
And you watch your kid get taken off by a chimp.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Where's your son?
joe rogan
Baboons, too.
They're another animal.
They'll do the same thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'll go after babies.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, wait, you know what?
I might be thinking of baboons.
joe rogan
Oh.
That makes more sense.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it was baboons.
joe rogan
It makes more sense, but there have been stories of chimps doing it, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, who's the woman who got her face bitten off by a chimp?
joe rogan
It was a bunch of people.
But the one woman who was, most recently, her friend had this pet chimp, and she was giving it Xanax and wine and maybe sucking its dick.
Maybe.
greg fitzsimmons
Why did he need Xanax?
If she's sucking his dick, what the hell does he need Xanax for?
joe rogan
Could you imagine being so fucking crazy that not only do you have a 200 pound chimp living with you, but you give it Xanax.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you think she gave it to Xanax so that he'd be more pliable?
joe rogan
I think she was just banging this monkey.
I think she lived with this monkey and she was banging it.
I really think that.
I shouldn't say monkey.
It's a chimp.
Whatever.
She was living with this chimp and banging it.
And so her friend came over.
There was a chimp.
The chimp used to dress up in human clothes.
He was fucking her.
Yep, that was the lady.
greg fitzsimmons
No way!
joe rogan
That was his girlfriend, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Who do you think initiated the first time?
joe rogan
Her.
greg fitzsimmons
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, she got a pet chimp.
She raised it.
It's a boy.
It's got a dick.
She's like, look, this is my new bodyguard.
And she's got this chimp, and she has a couple of glasses of red wine.
The chimp wants to fuck her.
She's like, who's going to know?
She lets that chimp fuck her a couple of times, and then he keeps slinging dick her way, and that's his girlfriend now.
And this lady came over, and she interrupted his fun time.
She was cock-blocking, and he didn't take too kindly to it, so he did chimp shit to her.
Just ripped her apart.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tore her face off.
They bite your fingers off.
He's huge.
He was 200 pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit!
joe rogan
Big, overfed, chimpanzee, super ridiculous, ungodly strong.
greg fitzsimmons
No foreplay.
When Bobo wanted to fuck, you got fucked.
joe rogan
You get fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
You get out of the shower naked, Bobo's gonna fuck you.
You have your period.
Forget it.
Try to keep that chip off you while you're menstruating.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
A police officer who responded to the scene of the attack shot and killed Travis when he clawed open the cop's cruiser door and flashed his bloody teeth.
Oh my god, dude.
He opened the fucking door.
The cop was shooting it as it was pulling the door open, flashing its bloody teeth, looking to tear him apart too.
Holy fuck.
Holy fuck.
Imagine if that was you and you didn't have a gun and you weren't a cop, you just pulled up and you saw some chimp tearing apart a lady and you're like, what the fuck?
And the chimp just goes running towards you and decides he's going to open up your fucking door now and he's flashing his bloody teeth after he just ate some lady's face.
Fuck, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Where was this?
joe rogan
I love this part.
Investigators later speculated that a dose of Xanax caused the chimp to go berserk.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, look at that face.
joe rogan
That's what her face looks like now.
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
This article actually says that her face transplant was being rejected.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
She's having more surgery.
greg fitzsimmons
Does that mean like she's going out to meet guys and she's being rejected?
joe rogan
No, her body rejects it.
Face transplants, any kind of transplants are notoriously tricky apparently.
Poor lady.
greg fitzsimmons
God, poor lady.
So wait, where does it say that she was fucking him?
joe rogan
That's my part.
I added that.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I thought you were serious.
joe rogan
I don't know what they're doing.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's totally plausible.
joe rogan
It's completely plausible, but I absolutely made it up for regarded as her son.
Okay, maybe she didn't fuck it.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you think a woman could get pregnant from a monkey?
joe rogan
Depends on the woman and depends on the monkey.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some super smart monkey and really stupid person?
Who knows?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, there's some hybrids, right, that wind up being viable.
That's how new species get developed sometimes, but most of the time it doesn't.
Like a liger, they can't make babies.
You can make a baby, a lion and a tiger can breed and make a baby, but that baby can't make babies.
So I wonder, man, what was it, if you believe in evolution, of course?
What was it in history?
Like, what was it like when there was a bunch of different species of humans?
Because they think there's a bunch now.
They've documented...
How many things they've documented now?
Because they keep finding new ones.
Like, they found some new one in Russia recently.
By the way, all the people that...
That tweeted at me and sent me messages that I fucked up and said Vasily Lomachenko is Russian.
He's actually from the Ukraine.
I apologize.
I am a retarded American.
Anybody who's over there in that spot who talks like that, I go, that Russian dude.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, didn't Russia take over the Ukraine though?
Doesn't that give you an out?
joe rogan
No, because I had a buddy of mine growing up who was Ukrainian.
He always regarded himself as Ukrainian.
He never thought of himself as Russian.
So I get it.
I get it.
It's like if we were America, like North America, Canada, and Mexico, we're all just one thing.
Oh, you're from that spot.
No, no, no.
I'm from America, motherfucker.
I'm from this spot, bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, as far as the cavemen go, yeah, they didn't used to think that Neanderthal man and sapiens existed at the same time.
Like when you look at a timeline of cavemen, they make it seem like one ended and the next one just fucking started.
Like in the year 3000 BC, all of a sudden they just changed.
3000 BC, 20,000 BC?
How long ago was that?
joe rogan
I think it was a lot more than that.
I think when they're talking about people living alongside Neanderthal...
I think they're talking about like 40 or 50 thousand years ago.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
So there was, like you said, they coexisted and they say that the fights because Neanderthal man was a fucking beast.
joe rogan
Totally different kind of person.
greg fitzsimmons
Totally different.
And then Sapien came along and Sapien was much smarter and that's the only way he was the one that survived over Neanderthal.
joe rogan
Show me that again.
greg fitzsimmons
They were able to out hunt and out kill.
joe rogan
Or we fucked them all.
And then we interbreeded with them.
That probably might have happened too.
So what does it say, Jamie?
It says a guy is trying to make a hybrid between a chimp?
jamie vernon
This was in 1924. Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Let me guess, Jeremy?
joe rogan
A wild group of 13 female chimpanzees to bring back to Primate Research Facility.
It's Sakumi.
The female chimpanzees were repeatedly injected with human male sperm, but none became pregnant.
It was rumored that Ivanov used his own sperm or that of his son, but few people believe it.
greg fitzsimmons
Son, can we come downstairs for a minute?
joe rogan
Well, where else is he going to get cum?
jamie vernon
He tried to get female volunteers to get injected with male chimpanzee sperm.
joe rogan
And how many did it?
jamie vernon
It rumored that it only happened once, but apparently he got arrested and sent away to work in a veterinary station in Kazakhstan and died two years later.
greg fitzsimmons
Kazakhstan!
jamie vernon
Rumored no pregnancy actually happened, but maybe he actually did do it, who knows.
joe rogan
The rumor was the pregnancy actually did happen?
jamie vernon
Did not, did not.
joe rogan
Oh, did not happen.
jamie vernon
But rumor that he did actually inject a woman with sperm.
joe rogan
This story, the story of this is like the beginning of like some crazy superhero X-Men type reveal of some new, instead of Wolverine, some man-chimp, some hybrid.
Like Wolverine looked like he was kind of a man-chimp hybrid.
The real Wolverine, like from the comic books, he was...
Hairy-looking, half-human-looking person?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the Nazis did all kinds of shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Taking heads off one animal and trying to put them on other animals.
joe rogan
But how many...
Find this out, Jamie.
Find out when did human beings and Neanderthals coexist?
How long ago was that?
Or how about this?
How long ago did Neanderthals go extinct?
Because that's what would tell us a lot.
If you had to guess, what are you going to guess, Greg?
greg fitzsimmons
I'd say, yeah, 20,000 sounds about right.
joe rogan
I'm going to say, oh, I was right.
Neanderthals went extinct in Europe about 40,000 years ago, giving them millennia to coexist with modern humans culturally and sexually.
New findings suggest.
The research also suggests that modern humans did not cause Neanderthals to rapidly go extinct, as some researchers have previously suggested.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I thought they killed them.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a lot of people that did.
There was one guy that had a crazy fucking theory that's probably absolutely not true.
But his theory was that they didn't look like people.
His theory, we don't know what their soft tissue looked like.
So he had this idea of a really intelligent ape-like creature.
Because he compared...
Do you remember that whole guy, his whole thing?
He made like an animated...
Video of what it would look like, this terrifying, like, gorilla-looking thing that's, like, heavily muscled.
Because they were only, like, 5'2", or 5'3".
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they were, like, 205 pounds with giant, like, boulder-sized bones in their body.
They had way different bone structure than we do.
And they were supposed to be, like, freakishly strong.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
But I think they were sort of, like, on all fours and standing upright, but then...
Really?
Sapiens stood upright.
joe rogan
Is that true?
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
I know there was a difference in the way they moved, that the Sapiens were faster, but they weren't as strong.
So if they got into any kind of a battle, they were fucking dead.
joe rogan
Right.
Hmm, that's interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
I read a book called Sapiens.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is what they absolutely think that they looked like, the Neanderthals looked like.
But there was a guy who had some crazy alternative theory that was probably horseshit that I want to focus on.
Probably totally fake.
But it was like, his theory is like, what if Neanderthal didn't look anything like us?
What if Neanderthal had gorilla-like skin and was just hulking, scary-looking, fanged-up, jacked, humanoid kind of ape?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
There's definitely a bunch of different kinds of people, though.
They keep finding more and more evidence of finding new teeth and shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, but the evolution was so slow.
We think about things...
The way evolution happens for us today is technological, so we see shit happen from decade to decade.
Yeah, there it is.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Neanderthal profile was super pretty.
So in this video, when you're looking at Neanderthal, he's got black gorilla-looking skin with these big, crazy eyes, and...
It's a terrifying looking beast, as opposed to the way we always project him.
And he bases it on the shape of their head, and what a gorilla's head looks like.
greg fitzsimmons
A longer jaw.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's crazy, because we don't know what their soft tissue looks like.
But if you give them a gorilla nose instead of a human nose, they look way fucking scarier.
And his argument was, like, we have no idea what their nose looks like.
Why are we giving them a human nose?
I wonder if that flies.
I wonder if anthropologists are getting angry right now.
greg fitzsimmons
They were some vicious motherfuckers, huh?
joe rogan
Look at the way that thing looked, if that's what it looked like.
Like, what the fuck?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh no, he looks upright.
No, I guess they were partly on all fours and upright.
joe rogan
I think they were upright.
I think, I'm pretty sure Neanderthals were completely upright.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because they were a type of human.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just weren't hobo sapiens, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, I'm so stupid to have these conversations.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm so stupid because I read an entire book about sapiens and this whole transformation, and I just, the problem is I read when I go to sleep, and I don't, I'm so fucking tired, it all goes through me.
The next night I can't even find out, I can't even find where I left off on the book.
joe rogan
Isn't reading at night like the best way to fucking fall asleep?
It makes you go to sleep so much easier.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like something about reading, I'm just like, conk.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, my wife opens up her book at night, every night, and she does not get to the second page, and she's sitting upright, and I can hear her breathing change, and she's asleep.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't.
I take a sleeping pill.
joe rogan
Do you?
greg fitzsimmons
Every night.
Take a sleeping pill.
joe rogan
What are you taking?
greg fitzsimmons
Lunesta.
joe rogan
Any side effects?
greg fitzsimmons
I think a loss of memory.
I think that's what it is.
I'm taking the sleeping pill and then I'm reading and nothing sticks.
But otherwise I can't sleep.
My mother and brother are the same way.
We cannot sleep.
Our minds fucking race and I lay there for hours and nothing happens.
I'd rather be a little groggy in the morning than be exhausted and fucking cranky.
joe rogan
Have you tried any kind of meditation or anything to calm your mind before you go to bed?
greg fitzsimmons
I started meditating, but I only started meditating like two years ago, and I've been taking the sleeping pills for probably like four.
So I should try to get off of them.
It's stupid.
joe rogan
But I think if you get off those things, that's where it gets hairy.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So if you start going crazy, call me up so I know.
I'll know.
greg fitzsimmons
Joe, how many of you have to fill?
joe rogan
Just say, hey, I tried going off these fucking sleeping pills.
I'm like, okay, gotcha.
Feel ya.
Know where you're at.
greg fitzsimmons
Need you to do my 10-20 spot at the laugh factory tonight.
joe rogan
Dude, when you get off those things, like, sleeping pills, they have a real...
Bizarre reaction some people have to them.
Where they'll do things and wake up in the middle of doing them.
Like driving down the highway in a shootout with the cops, that kind of shit.
You wake up in the middle of an act going, what the fuck am I doing?
greg fitzsimmons
You're saying while you're on sleeping pills.
joe rogan
Yeah, while you're on certain sleeping pills.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, Ambien is crazy.
I ran out and I took a friend's Ambien recently and I had the most insane dreams.
joe rogan
Oh, I've heard.
I'm terrified of that stuff.
I know a lot of people who love that stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know why Ambien is prescribed.
It's the same thing with opioids.
It's like, why are they still prescribing this shit when it's so addictive and so dangerous?
joe rogan
Because people want to be able to make their own choices.
And if you could go to a doctor, if you're informed correctly, and you go to a doctor and you go, look, I don't give a fuck what they say.
I want a fucking Ambien.
I know it's not good for you.
I know it's bad for my sleep.
I don't give a fuck.
I need to go to sleep.
I feel you should be able to make that decision.
How come you can make that decision and drink a fucking bottle of Ron White's tequila in a night if you so choose to?
Why can't you decide to take an Ambien?
greg fitzsimmons
It's true.
joe rogan
Is it really worse than getting hammered?
And everybody gets hammered.
There's a lot of people getting hammered.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it just seems like with all the options, like I know with Lunesta, I don't have these side effects.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I mean, there's no side effects with Lunesta.
I'm not a paid spokesman for Lunesta, by the way, but I just found that I did take Ambien and it was crazy.
It was like tripping.
joe rogan
So Lunesta does it for you?
greg fitzsimmons
Lunesta works.
Joe, Lunesta works for me.
joe rogan
Have you ever done anything like melatonin?
Yes.
Have you tried like a melatonin spray?
unidentified
Yeah, melatonin works.
greg fitzsimmons
It's good.
joe rogan
Does it?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't you just try that then since it's a natural alternative?
greg fitzsimmons
Because I'm Irish and we like to get addicted to things.
unidentified
Ha!
greg fitzsimmons
You know, I quit the booze, so now I'm drinking.
What is this shit you gave me?
joe rogan
Caveman Coffee Nitro.
greg fitzsimmons
It's good, man.
It's got a nice little kick.
joe rogan
It's got a hell of a kick.
greg fitzsimmons
Mmm.
joe rogan
It's got a hell of a kick.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a weird taste to it.
unidentified
How sweet it is.
joe rogan
It's kind of manly because it doesn't taste that good.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's like black coffee.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
When I say it doesn't taste that good, it doesn't taste like a caramel macchiato.
That tastes good.
With every slurp, you're like, this is delicious, but it's full of sugar.
This tastes like, we were calling it like a Guinness, like the Guinness of coffee.
It's got this weird sort of acquired taste.
greg fitzsimmons
It's got a little fizziness to it, which is nice.
joe rogan
Nitrogenated.
I don't know why.
I don't know if it works more.
Gets you more fucked up.
I don't know.
But it's got 270 milligrams of caffeine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I'm a caffeine freak.
I drink a lot of caffeine.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that one's manageable.
Caffeine never really derails your judgment.
It's a manageable addiction.
If you've got a legit addiction, caffeine's not a bad one.
That's one you can skate by with that one.
Cigarettes is going to get you.
That's the one that's going to get you.
greg fitzsimmons
Cigarette's probably the worst thing you can be addicted to.
Then heroin.
joe rogan
It seems like pills might be worse than cigarettes.
Because you can make rational decisions when you're on cigarettes.
The problem is, though, the health consequences of cigarettes are almost inescapable.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you've just made an irrational decision if you're lighting a cigarette.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So it's got you in a point of addiction where you are literally killing yourself slowly.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing that it's still around.
It's amazing, really.
But again...
I'm 100% in favor of people doing whatever the fuck they want to do.
If you are informed and you go, I don't give a shit, I want a fucking cigarette, you should be able to do it.
So by that hand, if you could do that with booze, if you could do that with...
I think freedom is best.
It's best to have people figure it out on their own.
It's best to decide for people what they can and can't do.
That's never good.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's the same with raising a kid.
I try to give my kids a lot of freedom.
I inform them.
I rein them in.
I try to shepherd them.
But I don't ride them.
And when they make mistakes, I don't overly punish.
I tell them I'm disappointed, and that means a lot to them.
But I think that...
Your kids need to internalize responsibility.
And the earlier they do it, the better.
Because the process of internalizing responsibility should start in whatever ways you can parcel it out from a young age.
That's how you've got to do it.
Because by the time they move out, it's like you're not going to be there to make these decisions for them.
joe rogan
Yeah, the task of raising a human is probably one of the most important things, one of the most impossible to correct once you've fucked it up, and it's put in the hands of everybody who is most likely raised incorrectly themselves.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the hope is there's more therapy than there was today.
There's more literature.
There's more studies.
And I do think we're more informed about what we do.
I think we're more vigilant about it.
I think men, the fact that I just said that to another man, that wouldn't have happened 25 years ago.
No guy would talk about parenting in any deep way to another man.
joe rogan
No, it was kind of almost gay.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, yeah.
It was.
It was not your role to do that.
And now, parents, it's a partnership, the mother and the father.
Because the worst thing, and I know a couple that's like this, where they're never on the same page, and their kids are all fucked up, and neither one of them is a bad parent.
They're just doing it in opposite ways.
What's the ways?
joe rogan
What's the...
greg fitzsimmons
He's very, like, you know, checked out in some ways, but, like, in the way...
The healthy way I describe hands-off...
He's still caring and controlling and supporting.
His is a little bit more like, I can't handle this.
Hers is, she's super A-type personality, and she's trying to drive the kids to be their best potential, which is good.
A little bit of that is good, and a little bit of what he's doing is good, but they're both polar opposites and not really handling their strategies well either.
But I really think that the main thing is that your kids can't feel like they're getting two different messages at the same time from mommy and daddy.
joe rogan
It can't feel like they're being smothered either, right?
One of the things about kids that you find out real early is if you tell them not to do something, that's what they want to do.
They don't want you telling them what to do because they're little people.
And even though they might be five or six, they're still little people.
And people don't like you telling them what to do.
You've got to explain to them.
It's much better to explain to them why it's important that you do the thing that you don't want to do and why it's a good thing.
You've got to change the way you think about it.
Don't think about it like, oh, it's this chore.
Think about it like...
This is just a thing that I have to do right now, and I'm so lucky in so many ways, and that's how I should look at life.
And don't just get annoyed at things.
I don't want to go to bed.
You've got to go to bed.
Listen, you've got to get sleep.
I know you don't want to go to bed.
I get it.
I feel the same way all the time.
But as a person who's in charge of your biology, I know that you're not quite wise enough to make these decisions.
You want to be healthy.
Your little kids need to get like 10 to 12 hours sleep.
greg fitzsimmons
And you got to tell them, give them the association that they're making choices and that their choices have ramifications.
You're going to wake up to, you know how sometimes it's hard for me to wake you up and it hurts in the morning?
Well, they won't be that way if you go to sleep now.
You'll wake up and you'll feel good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's, man, that is the fucking biggest difference.
When I had day jobs, and, you know, a lot of times I was, like, for years I had sleep deprivation.
Because I was getting up in the morning for delivering newspapers.
And I was trying to go back to sleep, but I always stayed up at night because I was doing stand-up.
And, like, for the longest time, like, I was, like, really screwed up.
And then once I quit doing that, once I just started doing just stand-up, and I started getting sleep.
I'd go to bed after the clubs, and I would get up at 11. I would wake up, and I felt so good.
I was like, oh my god, everything feels great.
I don't feel like I'm constantly at a lack.
That feeling that you have when you're tired all the time, when you work Too many hours, you don't get enough sleep.
It's that fucking feeling like you're always at a lack.
There's always like a hole in your biological game, as it were.
greg fitzsimmons
You're just trying to be left alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, just ugh.
You just don't.
But if you can get that solid eight to ten hour sleep, That goes away.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you can get 10. But if you can only get 8, it's worth so much.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's so fucking valuable.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you throw a 20-minute meditation on top of that the next day, around 2.30 in the afternoon when you're crashing out after lunch.
joe rogan
If you can do that, that's a good move.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you can just sit down.
I mean, the meditation, just the word meditation is so loaded, you know, because it has the...
There's a sort of like a...
A lot of us, I think, have this idea about people who meditate as like, oh, you know, he's just trying to find some spiritual peace and this is like some masturbatory weirdness and you stand in front of some fucking incense and pretend you're from a different culture.
But I think that just being alone with your thoughts...
And just your thoughts.
And just concentrating on just thinking about as little as possible.
Just thinking maybe even just about breathing.
About breathing in and breathing out.
Just that alone is a form of meditation.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I mean, it's a guided sleep.
Think of it as taking a nap.
You know, Eckhart Tolle talks about, you know, with meditation, it's just really, it's reminding you to not think about the past or the future for a little while.
It's about just thinking about the breathing that's happening right now or the mantra that's happening right now.
And when you come out of it, you're not going to stay in that state all day, but you will have brought yourself back to that point, if only for 20 minutes.
And that will sort of, that will guide you for the rest of the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think the momentum of most people's lives is so strong, mine included, I'm sure yours included, that oftentimes you just get caught up in how you're thinking or how you're behaving or what you're doing.
You just get caught up in it.
It's just like, wow, it's like pushing you from behind.
And if you can just stop as often as possible and do nothing for an hour and breathe, just do nothing but think and breathe, you come out of it with a more balanced perspective.
greg fitzsimmons
You make better decisions.
You're not reacting to things.
joe rogan
Exactly.
You're not being pushed from behind by the momentum of everything you've experienced over the last, you know, X amount of months.
You get a fresh restart to contemplate your existence.
Well, you know, we can't do anything about the past, but here's where we are right now.
And this is what we, okay, now I've decided that, you know, instead of concentrating on that, I'm going to concentrate on this.
And give yourself, like, a chance to almost give yourself a little personal seminar.
Give yourself a little prayer.
Are you happy about this?
If you were giving yourself advice, it would probably be way different than what you actually do.
I've always thought that.
If I was giving myself advice, how brutal would I be with myself?
How honest would I be with myself?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's why you're supposed to set goals, because goals are you sitting down in a cold, calculating way and saying, where do I want to be in a year?
What are the steps that I need to get to that?
And then setting small goals to get you there, because day to day, you're reacting to people are codependent with their wives or their kids, and so they're reacting to that.
You're wondering if your phone's going to ring.
You're wondering what people are saying on social media.
There's so many dynamics that have you spinning around and not in your own space, so that I love the beginning of the year.
I love sitting down and setting up some new goals.
I mean, you and I just talked a couple nights ago about that.
Your goal is to sort of try to get off social media more, not answer your phone all day.
joe rogan
Yeah, stay off my phone for many, many hours at a time.
That's the big one.
And I'm just thinking about the amount of time that I spend just looking for something interesting.
Looking on Twitter feed, looking on Facebook or on Instagram, just looking for something interesting.
They're just flittering through fucking pictures of shit.
Oh, look, another car.
Oh, look at that lion.
That's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
After a while, look at that chimpanzee attacking a car.
joe rogan
Well, that video that I showed you today, that's how I found it.
The fucking lady that hit that, or the guy that hit that moose.
I don't know if it was a guy or a girl, whoever fucking hit that moose.
But I'm inundated by that, and people keep sending me these fucking videos of these Russian crazy Like, acrobats doing flips on the top of buildings.
You've seen those guys?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those daredevils?
These Russian daredevil characters, they go on the top of buildings and do like handstands and lean their feet off the edge.
You can't watch it, man.
It's too hard to watch.
It's too fucking scary.
I mean, it's fucking terrifying.
And some of them get up on top of them with those hoverboards, those little wheelie boards, and they go like to the edge on the hoverboard and back.
unidentified
Yeah, why watch that?
greg fitzsimmons
That makes me uncomfortable, you just describing it.
joe rogan
And they spin around on the edge of the skyscraper.
Look at this.
greg fitzsimmons
This is in Russia?
joe rogan
I don't know where this one is, but they do these all over the place.
I think this is Dubai.
This guy is on the fucking edge of a crazy skyscraper.
Like, what is that, a hundred stories high?
Holy shit.
And he's doing a handstand.
Oh!
And he came down backwards.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that was terrifying.
I just hurt my elbow.
greg fitzsimmons
What do you do after that?
joe rogan
I just hurt my elbow reacting to that.
I whacked my phone.
That's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Look at this guy.
He's got a helmet on.
greg fitzsimmons
And his underwear.
joe rogan
And he's walking on a bar.
Oh my god, that is so crazy.
These kids are fucking nuts, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ!
This guy's doing a balance beam over a, it looks like a harbor.
I don't know how far down it is, but he's way the fuck up on some crane.
greg fitzsimmons
He's in an oil rig, it looks like.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this kid's going to get by his house.
greg fitzsimmons
There's a kid here that's jumping off his stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think I'm gone.
I'm done.
I'm done.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I used to do crazy shit.
My friend lives on the fifth floor of an apartment building and there's a picture of me when I was about 14 hanging off his balcony by my knees.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I was into gymnastics.
I did gymnastics pretty hard for like six years.
So I would hang off anything.
I would do flips off fucking anything anywhere.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I got sweaty hands just looking at that.
greg fitzsimmons
I do too.
joe rogan
I really did get sweaty hands.
Oh, don't show me this!
Jamie!
Goddammit!
That guy jumped off the roof into a pool.
I mean, how many stories is that?
greg fitzsimmons
Six stories?
joe rogan
Six to eight.
Shut this off.
I can't do this anymore.
My hands are fucking sweaty, man.
They're like soaking wet.
Feel them.
Feel them.
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus.
Mine are wet too.
joe rogan
Soaking wet.
greg fitzsimmons
Hey, can I plug some dates?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, you can!
Come on, everybody!
greg fitzsimmons
I got my big winter comedy tour coming up.
I'm coming to your town, Tacoma, Washington, February 9th through the 11th.
joe rogan
Website first, so everybody knows where to get all the...
greg fitzsimmons
Fitsdog.com for tickets.
Portland, Oregon, February 16th through 18th.
Oklahoma City, one night, February 21st.
Austin, Texas, February 22nd through 25th.
Fort Lauderdale in March.
Burlington, Vermont in March.
Houston in March.
Check it all out at Greg Fitz Show and Fitz Dog.
Radio.
That's it.
joe rogan
That Irvine Improv, the new Irvine Improv is fucking awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you done it?
Huge, right?
joe rogan
Giant.
greg fitzsimmons
I did it once and I just remember I didn't fill it, I'll tell you that.
By no means did I fill it.
joe rogan
It's a very big place.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but I've got two St. Patrick's Day shows, which you've done, I think the last three years you've done my St. Patrick's Day show at the Hollywood Improv.
joe rogan
I have to support the one quarter Irish that I am.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
Get in there for that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's always a fun show though, isn't it?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
We pack it out.
We get all Irish comics on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Throw a black guy in there just to keep the fucking PC police off my back.
Get Ian Edwards on there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a fun show, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's good.
Joey Diaz, I did it one year and it was all the cool comics and then Joey Diaz.
It was like Zach Galifianakis and Sarah Silverman and Andy Kindler.
And they went up and they didn't know who Joey Diaz was.
And I had him go on like second just to raise the bar on everybody else.
And he went up there and he's doing this whole bit about...
Having some chick piss in his mouth in a bathtub.
unidentified
And I'm drinking it like a soldier!
greg fitzsimmons
And the place, they don't know what to make of them at first.
It takes them like a good two minutes for them to just pick their jaws up off the table, put the jaw back in their head, and then start to laugh.
And then you just saw them convulsed, destroyed.
And in the back, Sarah and all of them, they're going like, who is this guy?
What is this?
I go, this is fucking Joey Diaz.
joe rogan
They didn't know?
greg fitzsimmons
They didn't know him.
joe rogan
How long ago was this?
greg fitzsimmons
Two years ago.
joe rogan
Wow.
How did they not know who Joey Diaz is?
greg fitzsimmons
Because he doesn't work.
I don't think he works the improv, does he?
joe rogan
Yeah, but every comic knows.
Like, you hear about, like, a guy.
Like, you always hear about...
Like, I heard about Big Jay Oakerson before I saw him.
People were like, you gotta see this guy.
He's very funny.
greg fitzsimmons
I think maybe there's, you know, a splintered comedy world.
Like, Zach doesn't do a ton of stand-up.
And I think, you know, Sarah...
Sarah works the comedy store sometimes, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes.
I've seen her there a few times.
greg fitzsimmons
Not as often as she should.
joe rogan
What are you, judging?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, she needs that, you know?
I think some comics, they work Largo a lot, and I think you can draw your own crowd.
But she's like a real comic.
She can play in a room like the store where they didn't all come to see her, and she can fucking prove something to people that maybe don't know what a good comic she is.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I would agree with you that I think she's one of the best comics alive, for sure.
She killed at the fucking comedy store last time I saw her, which was, I want to say it was quite a while ago.
It might have been a year ago, as a matter of fact.
Sometime between now and a year.
But anyway, she destroyed, and I was laughing really hard.
There was some funny shit in there.
But, on the other hand...
She's obviously got money, and she's obviously comfortable, so she should do whatever the fuck she wants.
That's true.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I mean, there's guys like Paul F. Tompkins.
That dude, I haven't seen him in a comedy club in 10 years, but he does his show at Largo, I don't know how often, and he'll go to San Francisco and fucking sell out cobs.
The guy's got his circuit, he's got his crowd, I think he makes a very nice living.
And I think he does the style of comedy he does, which is a little bit more storytelling.
It's a little slower, a little more esoteric.
It may not work in the other kinds of clubs.
So yeah, maybe it fosters his ability to go deeper into what he's doing by playing select clubs.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's all in whether or not what you enjoy doing, whether it fits in with clubs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because some people, it just doesn't.
Some people, they don't enjoy just always being, you know, always going for the laugh, always, you know, like our style, Boston style.
Like Boston style is like punchline, set up punchline, set up punchline, and to try to build punchlines.
Some people have like...
They want to tell you a story that happens to be humorous.
They don't want to be confined by this idea that it has to be set up, punchline, set up, punchline.
So it is sort of stand-up in a lot of ways, but in a lot of ways it's not.
It's like you're being an orator, a narrator.
You're telling stories, which is cool too.
There's a lot of people who, like Henry Rollins is a great example.
You wouldn't say that necessarily what he does is stand-up.
You would say it's a spoken word thing, right?
But what is he doing?
He's telling stories.
I mean, they have punchlines.
They have very clear set-up and punchlines in them.
It's obviously he knows where the funny parts are, so he's kind of doing stand-up, but he's doing it his fucking way.
A lot of people really like that, is what my point is.
And they don't want to go see him try to do a 15-minute set at the store.
greg fitzsimmons
It can change.
I find that if I go through a run of clubs that are bad, like, say, Florida...
It changes the way I'm doing stand-up, because in Florida, it's just a schizoid crowd.
You've got rednecks mixed in with old people, mixed in with Latinos, mixed in with fucking Spring Breakers or whatever.
It's never one crowd.
You have no fucking idea who you're playing to.
So you're up there for an hour and you're just...
It's a drunken knife fight in the alley.
You're just trying to fucking keep...
You're spinning plates.
You're trying to keep this guy happy.
This guy's heckling.
They're not paying attention.
And I find that, like, it makes my act worse because I'm not getting in the pocket and doing what I want to do.
I'm pleasing because I'm trying to survive.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you go to a club like fucking Austin.
Cap City in Austin, Texas.
And holy shit, man, you just kick back and they come to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I just did Madison, Wisconsin.
joe rogan
They came to me.
Oh.
Madison's a really cool town.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Really interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, super open-minded, liberal, Wisconsin town.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
With a great theater.
There's a theater there, too.
What the hell's that theater there?
Is it Acme Theater?
No.
Did I make that up?
greg fitzsimmons
No, Acme is in Minneapolis.
joe rogan
Acme is the comedy club in Minneapolis, right?
What's the theater in Madison?
greg fitzsimmons
Orpheum?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I had a point, but it's fucking lost.
jamie vernon
There is an Orpheum there.
joe rogan
There's an Orpheum there?
Maybe that's where I went.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's a great little city.
It's a college town.
joe rogan
See if that's where I went.
greg fitzsimmons
Good food.
It's really only one block, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not a lot.
greg fitzsimmons
There's a block that goes from the statehouse to the university, and there's not much off it.
joe rogan
And again, it's one of those places where...
People that are living in a place where it gets really, really, really fucking cold.
jamie vernon
Orphium theater.
joe rogan
It's the Orphium?
That's where I was?
Those people are hardier.
Like that thing that we're talking about.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, hell yeah.
joe rogan
This idea that you might not make it home tonight.
Like, there's a goddamn blizzard.
You might get stuck on the side of the road.
If you see flashing, like, a light on the side of the road, like someone's hazard lights, they pulled over, like, a lot of times people help.
Because that person might die.
Like, there's a difference between...
If you see somebody on the 405 and they're pulled over, do you ever even think for a fucking second of pulling over and helping them?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
No.
But if you were driving down a snowy road in New Hampshire and you saw someone pulled over to the side of the road and you start thinking, what if that's a mom with her kids?
greg fitzsimmons
And that's great.
It totally fosters community.
When you live in harsher weather, you have a trust and there's a symbiotic relationship with your neighbors.
You think about people that live up in Alaska.
And how they share supplies and fucking, in the spring, help rebuild a barn.
That's community.
That's living.
I mean, in LA, our needs are so easily met.
We don't have any fucking...
Our roof doesn't go bad because it rains three days a year.
And you can take an Uber here and you can get a fucking Yelp review on the sushi plate.
It's all easy.
It all comes to you.
There's no sense of, I don't need to help you if I hang out with you.
It's because I want to hang out with you.
There, you hang out with your neighbor because you're fucking surviving together.
joe rogan
We were all hanging out in the back of the comedy store last night, and we were all stoned.
And we were all laughing and giggling and joking around.
And I was thinking, boy, what a great place this is to be at the Sunset Strip in Hollywood in 2016. And then all I could think of, because of the pot probably, was like, what if...
An asteroid, just not even a big one, but a pretty big one, just slammed into downtown LA right now.
Not enough to kill me, but enough for me to just feel the impact, see the thing flying through the sky, and hear the people scream and run for the fucking hills.
And realize, I realized at that moment, because I was so high, I was like, how fragile is this existence that we think is so concrete?
We think it's so locked in and permanent and secure.
And all we take is one fucking rock that comes hurling from the sky, boom, into downtown L.A., Kill a half a million people.
And then the rest of us would beat you shit in our pants in terror.
greg fitzsimmons
One highway goes out in L.A. We're fucked.
joe rogan
We're fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
Because there's only two roads downtown.
There's the 10 and the 405. And if those go, either one of those go, the city shuts down.
joe rogan
Dude, this is such a stupid place to live.
There was three earthquakes last night, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, three earthquakes.
A pretty big one on the Nevada border.
5.7.
It's a pretty big one.
It's not a, you know, one like the 1990 whatever the fuck it was one, which was a lot higher.
That was like more than seven.
But this was, that's a significant earthquake.
5.7 is a pretty good shock.
greg fitzsimmons
But that's what's so weird about, I mean, you talk about it being tenuous and all that, is that that shit can fuck things up bad.
And people go, oh, we're due.
But we just elected an earthquake.
We chose a fucking tragedy to happen.
And if you're a Trump supporter, go fuck yourself.
You fucked us.
Good night.
Thanks for coming.
joe rogan
These liberals in Hollywood that think they can talk down to you, the good people of Trumplandia.
greg fitzsimmons
You just watch.
joe rogan
I am not on his side.
I do not support any of his statements.
And I think it's about time we showed a little respect for the Office of Commander-in-Chief.
Maybe he will rise to the job.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes, he could!
joe rogan
Maybe.
Maybe we can get him some mushrooms.
Maybe he will have a revelation while he's in office that this has achieved the highest achievement that any human being can ever attain, that he has won the race.
And now?
greg fitzsimmons
And maybe he will change his entire cabinet appointments that he's made over the last month.
joe rogan
And like Bill Gates, dedicate the remaining years of his life to philanthropy work.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
You know, Joe, my attitude towards this year was supposed to be positive, and you just saw an example of negativity come out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you go a little negative.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't do it.
I can't go negative on it.
I can be vigilant.
I can keep an eye on what he does.
My wife has this app where every day she can call or write a congressman or a cause or a place you can donate money so that you feel like every day...
joe rogan
What's the app called?
Do you know?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'll find out.
I'll find out.
joe rogan
Jamie can find it.
greg fitzsimmons
But it's a way of not feeling alienated and not feeling isolated and like you're doing something.
Whether or not it makes a difference, maybe it does.
joe rogan
Well, if everybody reacts that way, it makes a difference.
It's really sheer numbers.
I've used it as an example on the show before, but you remember when the United States had that...
The president had the press conference where Obama was saying that we're probably going to go to war with Syria, and America was like, fuck you.
It was a unanimous, cross the board, right and left.
greg fitzsimmons
So when he said they drew a line in the sand about if they used chemical weapons, we'd go to war?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was something along those lines, but there was a fucking...
Blatant rejection by the American people.
It was very obvious.
It was very vocal.
And no commentators, right or left, were saying this is a good idea.
Like, this is a terrible idea.
You want to go to another fucking unwinnable war?
This time in Syria?
And so it stopped.
All the talk stopped.
I mean, obviously it's a terrible fucking place.
And, you know, the videos that are coming out of there every day.
It's insane.
greg fitzsimmons
Civilians just being fucking wiped out.
joe rogan
It's insane.
It's insane.
I don't think...
I mean, it's hard for us to even imagine what it would be like to be living there.
Living over here in fucking Los Angeles where everything's perfect.
Imagine what it's like to be someone who just by a bad roll of the dice, you were born over there.
greg fitzsimmons
About parts of Africa, you know, South Sudan and the Congo and places where people are giving their lives in the street because there were voter discrepancies.
That, you know, ideologically are letting themselves be shot in public squares because they're demonstrating.
That's intense.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredible.
It's...
I mean, there's pockets of the world that are living a sophisticated version of the way people were living six, seven hundred years ago.
They're just living a more sophisticated version.
They're using cell phones and technology.
But they have almost the same mindset as people who lived hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
For good and for bad.
They found an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I saw that.
I saw the pictures.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
We were trying to figure out, we're like, imagine if there was a way where you could infiltrate those people.
But they wouldn't, you would have to, they would not, the only way to really know how they lived would be to become one of them.
Like, you really couldn't figure out how they lived by you going in there as Greg Fitzsimmons.
Because they would go, oh, what the fuck is this?
You have clothes?
Like, what's that thing on your wrist?
It tells the time?
What?
Why do you need to know what time it is?
Like, it would be amazing, but you would be too affected.
Like, you would affect them, rather.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, also, you might kill them, because very often people, anthropologists try to go in there and study, and they give them a disease, and they wipe, they.
There's been cases where they've wiped out entire tribes.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a guy named Dan Flores who wrote a paper about the bisons.
And it's bison diplomacy, bison ecology, I think it's called.
And one of the things he was talking about was the amount of Native Americans that were wiped out just because of diseases by settlers.
And it was some insane number, like high 80%.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, down in Mexico, that was.
joe rogan
I don't know where it was, but what percentage of Native Americans, Google this, what percentage of Native Americans were Killed by diseases from European settlers.
greg fitzsimmons
Because I know the Spanish, when they came into Central America, they fucking, so many people died from diseases.
joe rogan
Well, he was equating it to the boom in the buffalo herd sizes.
Oh, no shit.
He was saying that when the Native Americans contacted the Europeans, they got these horses from them.
Okay, what does it say here?
90%!
Holy shit!
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
When Europeans arrived carrying germs which thrived on a dense semi urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed.
They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before and the viruses tore through the continent killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit.
90%.
And then we went to war against the remaining 10%.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Dislocated them and pushed them around.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Goddamn.
And we wonder why they drink.
joe rogan
Well, I mean...
The same thing that I said about that tribe that lived in the jungle, I would love if there was a way where you could somehow or another be amongst them without them knowing it.
So you could really truly see how they behave and exist unaffected by a person like you or a person like me that obviously wasn't born there.
greg fitzsimmons
There was this documentary about this guy from Greenwich Village.
I think he was a gay guy.
And he went down to this village in, might have been Colombia, and he lived...
With them on the river for 20 years.
And they were gay.
The tribe wasn't gay, but they didn't delineate between gay sex and straight sex.
It was just all kind of fluidly would happen.
And so he had this boyfriend, basically.
But the boyfriend had a wife and kids, but he slept with the guy for 20 years.
And then he left and he was gone for like 15 years.
I forget why he didn't go back.
I think he didn't go back because they eventually attacked him and they were going to kill him.
Oh no, I know who it was.
One night he realized that they were cannibals.
They went and they attacked another tribe.
All of a sudden, one night, it had never happened before in all the years he was there.
Maybe it was only 10 years.
They all put on paint, and they went to the next village, and they killed, and then they ate flesh, and the guy just went, I'm fucking out of here.
Where's my return ticket?
And he left.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
And so he came back to the village, and he wrote about it, and he lectured about it, and then he went back like, yeah, like 15 years later, he goes back.
Finds the dude.
And this is like, I think the movie might have been called Keep the River on Your Right.
And he went back and he found the dude.
And they like rekindled their relationship.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
It was incredible.
joe rogan
Keep the River on Your Right?
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
joe rogan
I'm writing that down.
I need to see that.
What the fuck, dude?
I didn't know that the incidences of cannibalism were so prevalent among Native Americans.
They would occasionally do that.
Like the Nez Perce, apparently, they would occasionally catch people and kill them and eat them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
I could see that.
joe rogan
Especially white people.
They'd catch you.
greg fitzsimmons
They'd eat your brain, right?
joe rogan
They'd eat your whole body.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But probably eat your brain, too.
greg fitzsimmons
But think about it.
I mean, it's very symbolic.
You conquer and you consume.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's the thing that freaks us out the most, the idea of being just reduced to meat.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And by someone just with a bigger tomahawk, you know, some meaner dude who got to you before you could get to him.
There's no, like, real serious weapons.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Other than bows and arrows and spears.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's really a fight to exhaustion.
It's who lasts the longest.
joe rogan
Fuck.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Or they capture you if you're trying to get away from them.
But in their case, I mean, do you imagine if you and your people had lived in this one patch of land for 10,000 years, then all of a sudden these fucking demons carrying death in their breath.
And their very touch, like just getting in contact with them makes all of your relatives wilt away.
Kills 90% of the people you know.
Just them being around.
Forget about all the shit they killed with guns.
All the people they probably shot and killed.
greg fitzsimmons
Just emanating evil and death.
And then they round you up like fucking cattle and they rape your women.
unidentified
Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean...
Enough can't be said.
People go, oh, what a fucking liberal worrying about the Native Americans.
It's pretty bad.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't know how bad it was until I read a priest's account of Columbus's men interacting with Native Americans, and it is horrific.
This religious guy went with them on one of the voyages and wrote books about how they would hack off guys' arms, and they would tell them to bring them gold.
They had to bring their weight in gold and if they didn't do it, they would hack off one of their arms They'd do it in front of everybody else to freak them out and at first the natives were very friendly And once they realized that the natives were friendly and the natives were sort of weak they they started taking advantage of them and brutalizing them and Getting them to acquire gold and they would smash babies on rocks like this priest.
Yeah About this.
Oh, it's horrible horrible horrible shit His priest wrote about this.
So when we think of Christopher Columbus, we think of this noble Spanish gentleman who came over and landed in America and looked regal as he got off with fucking rosy cheeks and walked amongst the people and declared this American and all that bullshit and made friends with the Indians.
But they were...
A horrible band of monsters.
greg fitzsimmons
They also stopped in the Caribbean on the way here, and they literally committed genocide on an entire fucking island of people.
They worked them to death.
Same thing, a lot of these people, gold didn't mean anything to them.
It was something that they used to decorate or whatever, but there was no value the way there was in Europe.
So they gave it to them.
They were like, yeah, you want the gold?
Fucking right over there, grab the gold.
And once they took all that, then they made them start working for it.
joe rogan
And it seems like also these tribes that they encounter, they don't have any concept of large-scale slave labor like the Europeans did.
The Europeans were like, oh, we'll just get you to work for us or we'll kill you.
I don't think that was a thing that Native Americans were known for.
They're probably like, what are we doing here?
Why do we keep digging for gold?
What the fuck is going on here?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They had weird concepts in terms of what is possession.
They didn't have the same sort of concepts of this being yours.
If you left something there, someone would just take it.
Well, that's a thing that I want.
It's right there.
I'm just going to take that.
It's not anybody's.
Nobody owns it.
So it confused the shit out of them when they would get accused of stealing.
There was a whole different, in many of these encounters apparently, there was a whole different, not just a language barrier, but a culture barrier.
Like understanding what these fucking crazy white assholes were doing.
greg fitzsimmons
And the whole concept that you still see in a lot of Middle Eastern countries, which is the idea of giving.
As a host, when you come to somebody's home, you give them your bed, and you give them food, and you would never ask them to leave as long as they want to stay.
And it's all about generosity.
And the Western mentality is more about collecting and owning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's interesting, and isn't that also what we were talking about before, that a long time ago is a lot like living in a place that has unbelievably harsh winters.
A long time ago, you were faced with danger all the time, and you had to make bonds.
They had to be important.
So if you came over to my house, I'd have to think, hey, Greg, the shit might go down one day.
If the shit goes down, I'm here with you.
You're here with me.
We're gonna break bread.
You sleep in my bed.
I got you, bro.
You're here.
So there was this intense need to form these community bonds.
Today, nobody even knows who their fucking neighbor is.
Do you think they lived like that a thousand years ago?
You fucking for sure knew who that guy was.
You for sure knew who that guy was, and everybody would be on the lookout for some people that we didn't know that might be sneaking over the top of the hill.
There's none of that anymore.
It's gone.
greg fitzsimmons
Now when you talk about gossip, you know, small towns from a long time ago, people go, everybody was gossiping.
Yeah, you know what they were saying?
That guy's a rapist.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Watch out for him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Or, hey, this guy I can vouch for.
He's a good guy.
That's what gossip was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you needed to know.
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You needed to know who's a freak.
Yeah.
Who's fucking crazy?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Who's doing weird shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's jerking off in all the girls' shoes in the middle of the night?
Who the fuck?
Did you find them?
greg fitzsimmons
Which of the girls like it?
joe rogan
Do you know who was doing it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The girls who like it, you gotta separate them.
They need their own hut with a loose door.
greg fitzsimmons
Send them to Vegas.
joe rogan
Just people like what we've become right now as the people that are living here in 2016, it's a weird process that's been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years, and we're just at the end of it.
We're obviously not the end-to-end, but we're at the front of the line.
As far as all the history of it all pushing behind us, it's hard for us to appreciate how weird it must have been to be our parents or to be our parents' parents.
Or to come here from another country.
Or to be someone who existed back when you only lived 30 years old.
I mean, you'd die of old age.
You'd have a heart attack at 30. Or you'd get you a disease.
Or someone would shoot you an arrow.
That was like a giant percentage of us.
greg fitzsimmons
Half your brothers and sisters died from shit like smallpox or whooping cough.
joe rogan
And to have the balls to get in a boat.
And leave Spain.
And head across the fucking ocean.
And land in the Bahamas.
Those were marauders, those people.
greg fitzsimmons
I just think about landing, even later, like the beginning of the 19th century, when people were, or the 20th century, when people were coming over from Europe, you landed in Manhattan.
You got a burlap sack with some clothes on it and an address of a fucking second cousin out in Brooklyn.
You don't know how to get to Brooklyn.
You don't speak the native language.
You're speaking Italian.
Italians are fucking hated when you land.
You're shit.
Nobody wants to help you.
joe rogan
People don't realize that today, because that stigma's kind of gone away.
My grandfather used to talk about it all the time, because he came over from Italy and my grandmother came over from Italy on my mom's side.
And they would talk about it all the time, how horrible it was.
Kids would call them guinea wops.
You would be treated as a lower level person.
You know, because you're Italian.
But then suddenly it went away.
It's weird.
Jersey Shore brought it back a little bit.
greg fitzsimmons
Real Housewives, they're guinea wops.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Real Housewives of New Jersey, holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it is funny because the Italians are, in some ways, you think about the Holy Roman Empire.
I mean, you and I were both in Rome this summer, and it's mind-blowing that irrigation started there.
Every major thing started there.
Well, I guess it was Greek or Roman?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think, right?
Didn't they have that first?
Who created democracy?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it was the Greeks.
jamie vernon
I think that's a Greek word.
greg fitzsimmons
But you get blown away by what the Italians are capable of.
You see the craftsmanship of marble work in this country that the Italians brought over, and the opera, and then you see Jersey Shore.
It's such a fucking weird dichotomy of Italians can be so fucking dumb and materialistic, and yet they are the fucking high point of culture and civilization.
joe rogan
Well, in some ways, but they were also fucking kids.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Like, that's a big part of what they did, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They did that along with make incredible architecture, unbelievable art, incredible buildings filled with statues that are just beyond compare.
This incredible artistic expression, but rampant kid fucking.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Right?
We both grew up Catholic, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
We knew Catholics.
Our families were all Catholic.
Everyone around us was Catholic.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We all knew a priest that tried to fuck a kid or fucked a kid.
Well, you heard about a priest who fucked a kid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or my friend was, he went away to some fucking camp and the priest climbed into bed with him and was trying to grab his hand and shove it down his pants and he was literally fighting the guy off and running away from him.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It was a crazy story.
I was like, what?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the Catholics, I think, there's a work ethic that comes with it and a service of God thing and a Christian soldier thing.
And then there's also all the repression and shame about sexuality that plays out.
The Irish are the same way.
The Irish have, you know, they saved...
The Bible.
There's this book called How the Irish Saved Civilization.
And when the Roman Empire was being destroyed, they were burning every single Bible in Europe.
Like, they literally destroyed all the Bibles.
And in Ireland, there were the monks that were like, you know, the...
What are those scrolls called in Dublin?
Whatever they're called.
But they were handwriting Bibles by the fucking thousands.
And that's what saved Christianity.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you get into the poets, you know, Yates and Eugene O'Neill, and you think about what the Irish have offered to this place.
But the same thing, massive kid fuckers.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the number of people throughout history that were kid fuckers.
That's what was really weird.
It's like if you go through history and, you know, what would you call it, pederasty?
Is that what you call it?
Is that the technical word for having sex with underage boys?
But it's really common.
Like throughout human history, throughout Rome and the Middle East, and there's so many fucking instances of great men Wasn't Socrates a kid fucker?
How many people quote Socrates and then have that caveat, but he also fucked kids?
You give them a pass on that.
They didn't know you weren't supposed to fuck kids back then.
A lot of people probably fucked them too.
It was probably sexual exchanges where we had a much less rigid idea of what sexual exchanges were acceptable.
But that's not that long ago.
It's weird that hundreds of years ago people were just fucking kids.
greg fitzsimmons
I'd fuck an animal before I'd fuck a kid.
joe rogan
There's a lot of animals I think that would probably be good to fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
I think a horse would probably fight back the least.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
I wouldn't fuck a horse.
Because if they kick you, you're dead.
greg fitzsimmons
That's true.
joe rogan
They decide they're done.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not going to be cool about it.
They're not going to be like, all right, go ahead, finish.
No, they're going to kick you off them.
greg fitzsimmons
You want a fat, lazy animal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You don't want death by female horse or male horse if you're into that kind of shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Probably a...
Sheep seems to be pretty popular out west.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would definitely be the one.
You know, it's weird that it's illegal to kill animals when you are going to do anything but eat them.
And it's illegal to fuck animals.
Like, you can't fuck them, but you can kill them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can eat them, but you can't fuck them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can't do a dual purpose.
You can't kill them, fuck them, then eat them, because then you're fucking a dead animal, and that's gross.
greg fitzsimmons
But I think that might be legal.
I think it's more legal to fuck a dead animal than a live animal.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
greg fitzsimmons
Because what are you doing?
Then you're really just masturbating because there's not a living thing in your presence.
It can't be rape if it's dead.
joe rogan
But you notice how there's stages of how you feel about the dead animal.
Stage one is the live animal, right?
If you're fucking a live animal, you crazy asshole, what are you subjecting that animal to?
Stage two, you're fucking a dead animal.
What is wrong with you?
Why do you want to fuck this thing?
Forget about whether you should be able to do it, but if you kill it and then eat it, right?
Everybody's fine with that, because that's like what you're supposed to do.
But you can't fuck its body, but what if you just jerked off with a chicken cutlet?
What if you took a chicken cutlet, you wrapped it on your dick, and someone came in the room like, what the fuck are you doing, Greg?
Like, dude, I'm telling you, it sounds crazy, but it feels so good.
And I just clean it up, and then I eat it.
greg fitzsimmons
It's no big deal.
joe rogan
I still eat the cutlet.
greg fitzsimmons
Somebody comes over for dinner, takes a bite.
What's this nice cream sauce?
Now that you say fucking a chicken cutlet, it's all I can think about.
Because it's slippery.
joe rogan
It's soft.
One of those GMO chickens, it would wrap right around your hog.
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah!
And it's a breast!
You're thinking about it being a, you're tid-fucking it!
joe rogan
You know what you would do?
You would take a bag, like one of them Ziploc storage bags, put the chicken cutlet in the bag, and then heat up some water to about 99 degrees.
And then you'd dunk the chicken cutlet in the water so that it heats up.
It gets, you know, like a body skin temperature.
And then you just cover that bitch with KY. Just lather it in there, and then you put an oven mitt on.
You grab ahold of the cutlet.
You wrap that cutlet around your shaft.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh!
joe rogan
Crimes against humanity never felt so good.
And you can eat it!
greg fitzsimmons
You're gonna eat it.
You're gonna cook that shit because you've tenderized it.
joe rogan
Especially, like, you don't have to use inedible oil.
You could jerk off with a nice avocado oil or olive oil.
You know, avocado oil has a high flashpoint.
It's a good oil to jerk off with.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
joe rogan
Because then after you're done, as long as you don't come on your chicken...
greg fitzsimmons
Oh no, you pull out.
That's gross.
joe rogan
You don't want to cum on your food.
But that way it would be really green.
Multiple uses.
greg fitzsimmons
I love it.
joe rogan
But we can't accept the fact that we want pleasure.
That we want pleasure from a fleshlight is gross.
You want to fuck that thing?
Ew.
That's gross.
That we want pleasure from a chicken cutlet using an animal's flesh as a masturbation tool.
greg fitzsimmons
But we'll eat it.
We'll sink our teeth into it and swallow it.
joe rogan
As long as you intercourse with an animal...
greg fitzsimmons
We'll eat a cow's fucking milk.
joe rogan
There's rules.
greg fitzsimmons
Which is so weird.
joe rogan
Here's the rules.
According to Section 69 of the Sexual Offenses Act of 2003...
greg fitzsimmons
69. Ha ha!
joe rogan
Commits...
A person commits an offense of intercourse with an animal if...
A, he unintentionally performs an act of penetration, which is penis.
B, what is penetrated is the vagina or anus of a living animal.
greg fitzsimmons
So blowjobs are free.
joe rogan
So that's not intercourse with an animal, and blowjobs are free.
But notice how both of them are he.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
joe rogan
You know, they're referring to he doing it.
What the fuck is that?
They're not referring to a chick fucking a horse.
A chick fucking a horse seems totally legal.
jamie vernon
Wouldn't it be a horse fucking a chick, though?
Not the chick fucking a chick?
joe rogan
No, that dirty bitch.
She shows that horse what's up.
She backs up to him.
Keeps him stuck in that stall.
He can't back up or go forward.
It's totally against his will.
jamie vernon
This article has to do with David Cameron and the Prime Minister, I think, of the UK or Britain.
It's just talking about if he could have gotten in trouble.
Something happened.
There's some allegations of something in some memoirs about something.
I'm not reading all of the article.
I was just reading about the laws.
greg fitzsimmons
He put his penis in a dead pig head.
joe rogan
He did?
greg fitzsimmons
That's what it says.
jamie vernon
Right here.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the allegation.
jamie vernon
While he was in university.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
But it was breaking down if what he did was actually illegal or not, and it has to be a dead animal, or this was a dead animal in this case.
joe rogan
So if it's a live animal, it's sex with an animal.
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
So if it's a dead animal, it's no big deal.
jamie vernon
And then it broke it down that it would have mattered where it happened and if someone would have taken a picture of it.
Because if there's no picture, you're fine.
If it happened not in public, you're also maybe okay.
joe rogan
That is fucking hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How weird is it that we have rules on what we allow you to fuck?
But you can kill them and eat them.
But you can't just kill them.
You can only kill them if you're going to eat them.
You can't just shoot a cow in the head and leave it to rot.
Even though that's the natural process is an animal falls down, crows start eating it, rats eat it, the grass devours it, it decays and goes into the ground.
But you can't do that.
Only you can shoot him if you want to eat him.
greg fitzsimmons
Or unless you strap a bit in its mouth, sit on it, and whip it around a fucking oval track.
joe rogan
Oh, you can do that.
greg fitzsimmons
Then he breaks his leg, then you can kill him.
joe rogan
You can shoot him in the head, then.
greg fitzsimmons
Then it's fair.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got weird rules with how we interact with animals.
Definitely not saying you should go around fucking animals.
I'm not saying you should be able to.
I'm not saying you should.
greg fitzsimmons
I hope nobody interprets what we're saying as that.
joe rogan
I'm just saying it is weird that we make rules.
About things like that.
Like, who was fucking these animals to the point where, like, we gotta write this down.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm surprised there's not more animal fucking.
Because think about how horny people are, and you think about people that can't get laid.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And I just, it seems incredible to me that you don't hear all that, maybe it just does, people don't find out.
Maybe there's more animal fucking going on than we really are aware of.
joe rogan
How many people right now?
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, if you see a guy who lives alone with a fucking giant dog.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Like one of those big fucking sheepdogs.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
greg fitzsimmons
That's weird that a guy would live with that.
unidentified
Why is it weird?
greg fitzsimmons
Because he's fucking it.
joe rogan
Oh, Greg, that's so not true.
Sometimes they just have a nice pet dog and they love him, and they give him a kiss on the face, and they throw the ball for him, and he's a wonderful companion.
But at least a few guys are out there right now while I'm talking.
There's 300 million people in this country plus Mexicans.
What's that number?
350?
Whatever it is?
We don't even know what the number is, right?
And when I say plus Mexicans, I'm not trying to be racist.
You're welcome here.
I say you could stay.
That's what I said.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Let him stay.
greg fitzsimmons
Just don't fuck the animals.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is, out of 300 plus million people, there's at least one person right now who has his balls covered in whipped cream, his dog is sucking on his balls, and he's jerking off.
greg fitzsimmons
So many more than that, yeah.
joe rogan
At least one though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I'm super confident.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if I had, if they said, Mr. Rogan, would you like to bet $10,000 on that being true?
unidentified
Hmm.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
That's good money.
joe rogan
One person right now, out of 300 million, has whipped cream on his balls, and he's jerking off while his dog's licking his nuts.
And then the map, the spots on the map where it's happening, and it would be like those Trump states.
You know when you're like, I can't believe they're all red.
That's what it would be like.
Like the sky, like a constellation.
The entire country would light up.
It would be like 3,000 people at the same time.
That's too much, right?
That's probably not happening.
greg fitzsimmons
It says right here that bestiality is legal in Kentucky, Montana, New Jersey, Nevada, of course, Ohio, Texas.
joe rogan
No, Jersey does permit civil unions.
greg fitzsimmons
You can marry an animal.
joe rogan
You can have a civil union with your animal.
55% of the states wherein bestiality is legal, same-sex marriage is not.
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
That is insulting.
joe rogan
The states which do not criminalize bestiology yet ban same-sex marriages are Kentucky, Montana, New Jersey, Nevada, Ohio, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Holy shit!
They don't criminalize bestiology, but they have a ban on dudes marrying dudes.
jamie vernon
It's just a misdemeanor in a lot of other states too.
joe rogan
What if you're gay for a male dog?
greg fitzsimmons
Right!
joe rogan
How's that work?
greg fitzsimmons
I think you can't do it.
joe rogan
So if you're allowed to marry a dog, you could fuck it for sure, right?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
They don't have problems with bestiality in those states.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Oh no, Jersey allows for a civil union amongst people who are gay.
They don't allow for a civil union amongst you and your animal.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How dare you interpret it that way.
But, you know, I mean, how can you say that it's okay to fuck animals but gay people can't get married?
The fact that we let that stay on the books, everybody needs to sit down and go, what are we doing?
Like, what's this?
What is this?
You think it's okay?
Is it okay to fuck your sheepdog but these two lesbians, they can't get married?
Get the fuck out of here, man.
Get out of the way.
greg fitzsimmons
Boy, is that insulting.
joe rogan
Just get out of the way.
greg fitzsimmons
But now it's national.
Now gay marriage is legal in all states, correct?
joe rogan
Is it?
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
I mean, it'll be challenged once Trump comes in.
joe rogan
Is it legal in all states?
Federally?
I think it is, right?
I think that was a year ago.
jamie vernon
I think it's federally legal, but it's the states that have issues with it.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
So it's like the opposite of the problem with marijuana.
Marijuana being legal in a lot of states, but federally illegal.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm a weird system.
I never get it.
jamie vernon
I think that was the issue with that lady in Kentucky.
She personally wouldn't issue the marriage license.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
You're right, Jamie.
You're right.
Yeah, that was that crazy lady.
For Jesus!
Jesus don't want no queers sucking each other off under the power of my government!
greg fitzsimmons
And they brought her to the convention, the Republican convention.
She was a hero.
joe rogan
She was a goddamn hero.
I'll parade her around.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what I love is the Trump's inauguration.
You see what he's got lined up for the talent so far?
Mormon Tabernacle Choir and some of the Rockettes.
A bunch of them won't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
greg fitzsimmons
Meanwhile, the Democrats, I heard, I don't know, is this confirmed that the Democrats are putting on a concert that same night and they've got Springsteen, Lady Gaga, fucking Jay-Z and Beyonce, like literally like 15 of the biggest names in entertainment.
And Trump is such a star fucker.
This is killing them.
joe rogan
How weird.
The Democrats are doing something on the inauguration night like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe it's not that night, but it's around then.
joe rogan
Maybe they're trying to fuck with them.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Totally fucking with them.
I think it's raising awareness that we have to stay vigilant.
I don't think we should shut down government, but I think that we should make sure that the Constitution is being honored.
That's the big question right now.
joe rogan
How does a guy go from being a reality star to being the president?
I mean, it's almost beyond imagination.
Like, the fact that it's real, and I keep opening up CNN every day going, oh yeah, every day.
Every day I go to CNN.com, I go, oh yeah, he's the guy.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he won.
greg fitzsimmons
No, that bit you did about it last night, about how we just wanted to fuck with stuff.
joe rogan
Don't give my bit away.
jamie vernon
I'm still working on it.
Supposedly this was called the We the People concert, but I'm not seeing, there's no tickets for sale right now.
joe rogan
We the People for Trump?
jamie vernon
No, the Democratic concert is supposed to be held in Miami.
Supposedly, there's rumors that a promoter was going to book it.
joe rogan
Is it called A Clock of Cucks?
jamie vernon
This is according to Politico.
joe rogan
Cucks are anybody who supports Hillary.
A cuck is cuckold.
Like a guy who...
I mean, it's not just that.
It's like white knights.
greg fitzsimmons
You're a cuck.
joe rogan
If you're white knighting, you're a cuck.
It's new alt-right speak.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
It came originally from the porn...
Phrase cuckold and which is like a guy fucks your wife in front of you like some guys like like watching Oh, no cuckold goes back to Shakespeare.
unidentified
Yeah, but they They changed it.
greg fitzsimmons
But how is it that they're maligning her for her husband cheating when Trump has had three wives But wait a minute and the first who's who's they the all right, but it's not a big generalization Well, they brought out all of Clinton's ex-mistresses at the Republican convention.
joe rogan
Well, wasn't that all people that he allegedly sexually assaulted?
That's a little stronger than just mistresses.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's probably a combination.
It's the best of.
joe rogan
I think they were women that were accusing him of rape, weren't they?
greg fitzsimmons
Were they all?
joe rogan
I think so.
Or accusing him of sexual assault?
Wasn't that what the big deal was?
It wasn't just that he had affairs with these women.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was that there was some allegations.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's all...
Yeah, I think that's what it was.
greg fitzsimmons
But it is amazing how much that was used against her.
jamie vernon
A list of sexual advances and things like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, sexual advances is, in my opinion, very different than sexual assault.
jamie vernon
Well, alleged groping.
joe rogan
Groping.
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
Forcibly kissing.
joe rogan
So when you say sexual advances, it's always like, what does that mean?
Does he talk to her?
greg fitzsimmons
Probably like grabbing pussies.
joe rogan
How dare you?
unidentified
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
What is weird is that without permission, and again, I'm not defending Trump on this one, but your first move, you can go hard or you can be Johnny Gentleman.
And not too many guys are saying, may I kiss you?
You usually just go in and try to kiss somebody, which is what he did.
Not only that...
Can you go in and grab a woman's vagina as your first move?
Can you cut to third?
Can you steal first and second and go right to third?
Who says you can't?
joe rogan
Well...
greg fitzsimmons
If it worked, it would be a fucking bold move.
joe rogan
Didn't he say they let you?
Wasn't that one of the things he had said?
greg fitzsimmons
Yes!
joe rogan
Who's talking about crazy groupies?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't want to defend it because there's a way to do it.
Like if you're sitting, like I remember when I was a teenager, there was a girl driving a car and I didn't know her that well.
But we were like 16 or 17. And while she was driving, I put my hand, there were like three kids in the back and everybody's getting high.
And I put my hand on her knee, and I kind of worked it down the thigh, slowly, slowly.
Is it okay?
Not saying it, but it's dark, it's quiet.
And I got to her vagina, and I massaged it while she drove.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
And then we got to where we were going, and I got out of the car, and I never saw her again.
unidentified
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Was that, in fact, Joe Rogan immoral?
joe rogan
Not in my eyes.
Girls like boys and boys like girls.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
And she might have called her friends over and gone, dude, check this out.
This dude fingered me all the way home.
It was awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
And I went home and finished.
joe rogan
Woo!
greg fitzsimmons
You know she finished when she got home.
jamie vernon
That's the grab-em-by-the-pussy quote.
What he said.
joe rogan
Your girl is hot as shit in the purple, says Bush, now co-host of NBC's Today Show.
I gotta use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her, Trump says.
And when you're a star, they let you do it.
Trump says, grab them by the pussy.
Trump says, you can do anything.
He's being funny.
You know, it's unfortunate that that...
That's, you know, people like making this thing about it being locker room talk is inexcusable.
You can't say it's locker room talk.
You can't expect someone's words when it's two guys talking shit to each other like that to be transferred literally onto like when you're reading it, you're reading it out.
And you're not taking into account there are two guys sitting next to each other on a bus talking shit, being funny.
And that one of them is a fucking renowned entertainer.
And his whole thing is about him being this braggadocious winner.
And he's obviously playing it up.
And he's playing it up to an audience of one.
Not to an audience of 80 million or however many people found out about it or more or whatever the hell it was that read that.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But can you see that as sort of an insight into his character in terms of seeing women from a power structure of him having the power and them not?
And will that affect how he leads the country?
joe rogan
For sure.
That is absolutely a way to look at it.
Another way to look at it is...
He was used to groupies that wanted to do it.
And a lot of them probably did.
I think when you're a fucking billionaire...
greg fitzsimmons
When you're powerful.
Forget the money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he's also a multi-billionaire.
He has many billions of dollars.
The type of gold-digging hoes that must launch themselves in his direction...
I mean, it must be like, they must have to fight them off.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the Horde in Lord of the Rings.
I mean, he's worth a lot of fucking money.
A gal could just sneak in and take a piece of that.
greg fitzsimmons
You think he's peeled off a million here and there for women?
joe rogan
I think it wouldn't hurt him.
I think it wouldn't hurt him.
Baby, get something nice.
greg fitzsimmons
Go down to the gift shop, get yourself a little something.
joe rogan
He's not a business marauder just because he likes money.
He likes the whole thing.
He likes all of the above.
That's part of all of the above, of the massive success.
He can do whatever he wants.
He flies in his jet.
He's got billions of dollars.
He's got this super hot wife.
He's the president of the fucking United States now.
I mean, that's standard for his operational procedure.
He does whatever the fuck he wants.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's kind of animalistic because if you think about it, procreating is the most important thing, and you get to do that as a male when you are the most powerful.
So in the animal kingdom, all that...
Everything translates into being able to fuck the female.
And so for a guy like that, to be the most powerful man in his own mind means the spoils.
So the winner goes the spoils.
joe rogan
Plus he's heterosexual.
greg fitzsimmons
That boils it down.
joe rogan
He's a heterosexual man with a massive amount of money and power.
And now he's the president.
What the fuck?
We'll see what happens.
It's going to be interesting.
The interesting thing to me is now there's a guy who has been literally paying off politicians for the longest time, giving massive campaign contributions.
Now he's the president himself.
What's he going to do when he gets in there?
I mean he's even talked himself about how the electoral college is stupid and he's like, yeah, well we probably should go to the popular vote.
He goes, that would be a different race, though.
I didn't try to win the race.
Like, saying that she won the electoral vote, or that she won the popular vote, but he won the electoral college vote, and she won the popular vote by many hundreds of thousands.
greg fitzsimmons
Three million.
Or four million.
joe rogan
Is that true?
greg fitzsimmons
Three or four million.
joe rogan
So that's the case.
Like, he was saying, well, that's a different race.
Like, you could do a popular vote, and he goes, it'd actually be an easier race.
But it's a different race.
If you want to win the Electoral College, you've got to win those states.
It's just how it goes.
And he figured it out, and he did it.
And she even avoided those states to build Clinton's fucking angst, apparently.
He was furious at that.
There's some story that he threw a cell phone down.
He was yelling at her, you've got to go to these places.
You got a campaign.
She was like, those aren't my people.
Like, too many liberals thought they had it in the bag.
Too many liberals thought, well, everybody thinks the way I think.
And everybody I know thinks Trump can't be president.
There's people just all throughout those cornfields, just so happy.
So happy when he got in office, man.
There's a lot of Instagram posts that I follow, Instagram pages.
You go to people's pages, and it's all hashtag MAGA. Hashtag Make America Great Again.
unidentified
Yee-haw!
joe rogan
Here's my pickup truck.
I'm going to make America great again.
greg fitzsimmons
I want to talk to every one of those motherfuckers in two years.
I want to talk to all of you face to face and have you account for yourselves.
joe rogan
Don't say that because then they're going to blame the liberals and you're a part of the liberal conspiracy.
The reason why Trump wasn't successful is because the liberal-backed Congress tried to interrupt the power structure.
greg fitzsimmons
Liberals don't back Congress.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I know how it works.
I go on Infowars.com.
I'll fucking tell you right now the Republicans have the right idea.
greg fitzsimmons
If he is not successful, he's got the Senate and Congress...
And the Supreme Court and the gubernatorial control.
He's got it all.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
If his agenda doesn't go through, he cannot blame the liberals for it.
joe rogan
I am hoping with great sincerity that we slowly phase out the idea of having one individual president.
I think it's ridiculous and I think it goes back to the ancient fucking primates and their alpha male king.
greg fitzsimmons
Especially when you start seeing families occupy that one throne.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Too many people.
Too many Bushes, too many Clintons.
Just stop.
Stop.
And what if Donald Trump wins and then, you know, a few years down the road his son gets in?
What if they're the next empire?
That easily could happen.
greg fitzsimmons
You know?
joe rogan
You never know.
The idea was great when we first started.
The idea was great to have one person who was really exceptional and have that one person lead.
But I think at this point in time, the collective strength of human beings has been demonstrated really clearly in this world.
The collective strength is far greater when everyone contributes, when it's a collective group of minds thinking and communicating about things.
And people go, oh, everybody's going to want their way.
We have to realize what's the right way.
There's too much debate back and forth about what's the left and what's the right.
What's the healthy way?
What's the correct way for the society to be even and smooth and your kids be able to walk to school in the morning without worrying about someone taking them and eating them?
You know like there was this fucking guy Jordan Peterson that I had on recently was talking about these posters that they put up in Russia in the 1930s saying don't eat your children Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was talking about Marxism and, you know, communism and where it can go awful and where a lot of these ridiculous posturing intellectuals that claim to be Marxists, they don't understand the consequences of Marxism.
And he does really, really well.
And so, you know, he talked about the Gulag Acapella and reading about all the different things that had happened to people that had become, you know, indoctrinated into these ideologies and then started carrying out these horrific crimes in the name of them and Fuck, it's terrifying.
You find out all the people who died because of communism.
Like, when you look at human history, it's just a bunch of people getting jacked.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, wait, so you're saying that there shouldn't be a strong leader or there should?
Because Marxism is without a strong leader then.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think there should be one person.
I think we should figure out who the top minds, as far as the people that want to contribute, who the top minds are and vet them out and have a whole goddamn panel of people.
What superhero movies would they go to?
greg fitzsimmons
Captain America?
joe rogan
A Council of Elders or some shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, right.
joe rogan
They'd always have a bunch of wise men sitting around.
They would be glowing from behind.
Like some Thor type shit, right?
That's literally what we need.
greg fitzsimmons
But the elders is the problem because a lot of times these oligarchies become old people.
Like Congress, before Johnson came in, Congress was literally seniority.
Every committee in Congress was based on seniority.
The oldest motherfucker ran things.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
And it was crazy.
And it totally backlogged any legislation.
And he came in and he broke that up.
joe rogan
He's alive the longest.
He knows the old ways.
He knows the old ways.
We will continue the old ways.
Put your powdered wig on.
How long were you away from that?
How long ago was the powdered wig?
200 years ago?
unidentified
Not far enough.
joe rogan
What was the day where they were like, what the fuck are we doing?
I'm not wearing the wig, bro!
I'm not wearing the fucking wig.
Like, what day?
greg fitzsimmons
I should bring it back.
Fuck it, my hair fell out.
I'm going powdered wig.
joe rogan
I'll go with you.
greg fitzsimmons
At the comedy store.
Me and you.
joe rogan
You and me.
greg fitzsimmons
Fanny packs and powdered wigs.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, the fanny pack's right here, dude.
Sitting right there on that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
I wear mine all the time.
And my son gave me shit about it.
And then guess what?
unidentified
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Six months later, he's like...
Dad, you still got that fanny pack?
joe rogan
Oh, he wants one.
greg fitzsimmons
Everybody's wearing those now.
joe rogan
I'll get him one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've got some.
My Higher Primate ones.
The Roots ones.
I gave you one of those, didn't I? Yeah, I wear it all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
All praise be to Dice Clay.
greg fitzsimmons
He started it?
joe rogan
Dice Clay told me about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I always wore fanny packs.
I've been wearing fanny packs forever, but they were crappy.
And then Dice Clay came in, and I went, what is this exceptional piece of hardware you have around your waist?
He's like, oh, you like this?
It's the best!
unidentified
Oh!
Yes.
joe rogan
It's from Roots.
Roots makes this leather fanny pack.
It's fucking beautiful the way it clips together.
It's like it's perfect size.
greg fitzsimmons
I hate shit in my pockets.
It drives me crazy.
Look at me right now.
Phone is here.
Glass there.
I take everything out of my pockets wherever I go and I lose shit.
joe rogan
Bro, I'm wearing shorts.
Check that shit out.
There's nothing in my pockets.
My little man bag.
greg fitzsimmons
That's it.
I wore a fanny pack this morning.
I got a sports one because I ran.
joe rogan
Ooh, those are good.
greg fitzsimmons
And I put it around my waist.
The little sports ones.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, by the way, you shit my pants while running this morning.
joe rogan
No, did you?
greg fitzsimmons
Not hard.
It was a shart.
I was coming up a hill.
I was in mile four.
Had nothing left.
And I thought I had to fart and just bam, sharted my underwear.
joe rogan
I did that the other day in my house.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a little squirt.
I went, Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Feels like such a failure.
joe rogan
But I had some good farts before that.
That's the problem.
I got motivated because I had some rumblers.
greg fitzsimmons
You were on a roll.
joe rogan
I had some rumblers.
unidentified
Jesus!
joe rogan
And it was just me.
I didn't have to cover them from nobody.
So I was pausing and leaning into them.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
And then it just, a little, I'm like, ah, fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck, that's a shower.
That's a shower.
joe rogan
But it was interesting because as soon as I got on the bowl, all of a sudden I had explosive diarrhea.
I'm like, where was this?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I had no idea that some diarrhea was looming.
greg fitzsimmons
That's some holiday eating.
That's holiday eating.
joe rogan
Probably, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Creams and shit.
joe rogan
Well, also I go off the diet and I start eating, like, pumpkin pie and ice cream and shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's all the cream.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We had a lot of bread.
I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich last night.
greg fitzsimmons
But that is the ultimate failure because your job as a human is to provide for your family and not shit your pants.
You think about it all the time.
Every time you fart, there's a little moment where you weigh in on it.
You feel it out.
You feel your intestines, you feel your anus, you make a judgment call, and you let it rip.
joe rogan
What's interesting if you think about how tuned in you are to the sensations you get from your inner colon, because there's times you know, like, oh no, I'm about to shit my pants.
There's a certain alarm that goes off, like when you're like, oh, no, no, we're clenching a little too hard here.
Okay, we got a problem here, boys!
unidentified
We got a runner!
joe rogan
We got a runner!
greg fitzsimmons
And it's like...
unidentified
We got a runner!
It's like you just barely keep it in there.
greg fitzsimmons
Close the gates!
Close the gates!
unidentified
And you're just clamping down.
joe rogan
And it's the same exact feeling that you get as when you're trying to hold cum in.
You know that, "Jesus, don't move!
Shit!" Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Freeze.
joe rogan
I'm super bad at clamping everything in like that.
I always say, "One day I'm gonna try Tantra." I'm going to learn how to completely...
Like guys say that you can have an internal orgasm where your contraction is so long that you cum but no cum comes out and your body just reabsorbs it and it makes you like super scion power.
greg fitzsimmons
I've choked one back.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Just gotta grab the base right before impact and squeeze really hard.
It's gotta be long enough where it begins, but not so long that it comes out and I've pushed it back in again.
joe rogan
But what if you cause an injury?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's the problem.
joe rogan
What if you get crazy and you just really grab it?
greg fitzsimmons
That's why I've only done it a couple times.
joe rogan
Imagine if you broke your own dick because you grabbed it too hard?
Goddamn.
greg fitzsimmons
Life would not be worth living.
Can you imagine that?
Not having your dick cum anymore for the rest of your life and knowing that?
joe rogan
What percentage of your life revolves around getting rid of cum?
greg fitzsimmons
Once a day.
joe rogan
Okay, but once a day.
So if it's once a day, if it's even 45 minutes of your time, the other 23 hours and 15 minutes are bullshit.
You're thinking like, this is what I can't lose.
I can't lose...
unidentified
All that other stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
Embarrassing myself.
joe rogan
Like if you said to a lot of guys, like if you had to choose between being blind or having your dick break, where your dick can never get it up again.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no question.
joe rogan
What would you say?
greg fitzsimmons
Give me the fucking stick and the dog.
Give me the Stevie Wonder glasses.
unidentified
Very superstitious. - Yes!
greg fitzsimmons
And he's getting laid after the show.
joe rogan
Man, I was driving last night and I was listening to that song.
You know, sometimes you go through your phone and you're looking at iTunes, like recently added, like, oh yeah, I forgot I bought this.
And I listened to some old school Stevie Wonder and I listened to that superstitious song.
I listened to it like three times in a row last night coming home from the comedy store.
I was like, God damn, that song was good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He made some of the great...
I mean, just any time somebody can take soul and funk and bring it together, that to me is like...
We were talking about it last night.
I was talking to Dean Del Rey about soul and fucking earth, wind, and fire.
And who did I listen to yesterday?
Sly and the Family Stone.
When they're pounding that fucking bass and get a little fucking fast guitar going.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There was an amazing time of music in the 60s and 70s.
Sometimes I wonder if we have so much music that we're constantly cranking out.
How many people go back and check out some of the old stuff?
How much great shit just got kind of misplaced?
unidentified
What's his name?
greg fitzsimmons
Bruno Mars is bringing back that sound a lot.
He does some cool shit that's got that sound.
joe rogan
He's got some great shit.
jamie vernon
The Childish Gambino album.
I think I mentioned it to you.
It's almost like a funk album now.
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
People were expecting a hip-hop album from him because that's what he does usually, but it's a lot of, like, funkadelic, basically what you're describing.
joe rogan
You liked it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's really good.
joe rogan
Were you sober?
jamie vernon
That's the concert I did, the 1,200 milligrams of...
Edibles for, but I got the CD recently.
I bought it from my mom for Christmas.
joe rogan
Did you understand what he just said?
1,200 milligrams of edibles he did.
greg fitzsimmons
How much is a gummy bear?
joe rogan
I do like 20. I like 20. I like 30. Shut the fuck up.
jamie vernon
That old brownie that was 1,000, because I knew it wasn't going to be a crazy concert.
They did this 3D... So I was going to go in.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you have to fight at any point or it was all mellow?
jamie vernon
I was waiting for it to hit.
And it never hit.
joe rogan
See, here's the deal.
Jamie has some weird constitution where edible weed doesn't work on him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Legitimately.
It never hit?
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
joe rogan
He's always a little high.
That's the problem.
His constitution is like a dude who's on a low dose of edibles all the time.
So I think when you give Jamie a high dose of edibles, his body goes, I know what to do with this.
And your body just clears it out of the way.
greg fitzsimmons
Interesting.
joe rogan
Just think it doesn't work on him.
He's an alien.
greg fitzsimmons
Huh.
jamie vernon
I don't know what to do.
unidentified
You'll be fine.
greg fitzsimmons
You take more than Joey Diaz?
jamie vernon
He's given me plenty.
He gave me 800 during a show when he was on here, and I didn't...
I don't know, whatever.
Nothing happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, he never gets too high.
Goddamn.
But here's the thing.
He gets high when he smokes it.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Super high.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you have to smoke a lot to get high?
jamie vernon
No, not necessarily.
joe rogan
No, he's totally normal in that regard.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like normal.
If we were all sitting around passing the joint, he would hit it the same amount as everybody else.
We'd all be looking at each other like, whoa.
There's been many a podcast we've done, including the beginning of this one, where as it starts out, you're like, whoa, I don't even know if I should be talking right now.
I'm barely holding on to the words as they're coming out of my mouth and forming them in the right way.
It's like they're little fucking clay kids that are running out of my mouth and I gotta like form them.
All right, put your hat on!
unidentified
Sure, go!
greg fitzsimmons
Why are you upside down?
joe rogan
This new weed, it seems to be getting stronger.
This L.A. speed weed.
I want to know what's going on.
Since legalization hit, it feels like the weed went up a bump.
jamie vernon
I recently asked for less than strong weed.
I wanted back in whatever I was getting back in Ohio, like middle, mid-weed.
What we used to call mids.
I just wanted to go back to the middle.
And he just gave me something that was like $5 cheaper.
I was like, no, that's not what I wanted.
I wanted your shittiest weed, basically.
joe rogan
Yeah, milder.
jamie vernon
They don't even have it.
joe rogan
No, you just gotta take little baby hits.
But the problem is, everybody likes taking a couple hits.
Like, that's part of the fun.
You take a hit, take a couple hits.
But, like, last night at the comedy store, I went way too far.
Way too far.
greg fitzsimmons
How many hits is that?
joe rogan
I try not to get too high before the show.
I never get as high as I got before this show, before a stand-up show.
I like to be right where I am now, where I was high a couple hours ago, and then go on stage.
That's the best way to do it.
But afterwards, everybody was just passing joints around.
Since it's legal now, everybody just goes out and they're all just passing joints.
Hey man, you want some of this?
Fuck it.
And Ron White with his contraptions.
He's got the fucking pen.
He's got a joint.
He's got his own tequila and a cigar.
It's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Who drove him home?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Somebody did.
I don't know what happened last night.
But he was talking about how he left.
Hey, I just left my truck back here.
Came back and got it.
It's an animal.
We need more people like him.
The last of the Mohicans, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
That's a real comic.
Yeah, that constitution.
My dad had that constitution, you know?
John Wayne, apparently, would be the last guy drinking.
And he drank whiskey.
And he'd be the first guy on set.
And he was on point for everything.
And if you were late, he was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
I got a buddy of mine who's a firearms enthusiast in Vegas.
My buddy named Justin.
You know Justin.
Justin's a legit giant.
He's like seven feet tall, like 300 pounds, and a gun nut.
And he can put the booze away like nobody's business.
First of all, he's a legitimate 100 pounds bigger than me.
So I can't compete with him just liver-wise, just like volume-wise.
He's just way bigger.
His body just burns through it.
Come on, dude, we're drinking.
He's way too big and experienced.
He just puts it away.
greg fitzsimmons
What does he drink?
joe rogan
Makers and Coke, always.
Makers and Coke.
Always Makers and Coke.
You know what to get him.
You don't have to ask.
There he is right there.
greg fitzsimmons
And if he gets a meal, does he have to—wow, goddamn.
joe rogan
He's a legit giant.
He's the sweetest guy in the world, too.
Super, super good dude.
greg fitzsimmons
So he's in for two entrees and a meal.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, we feast in Vegas.
greg fitzsimmons
You go to that place—what's the place you told me, the Brazilian place you took me?
joe rogan
Oh, Fogo de Chow?
greg fitzsimmons
Did you guys go there?
joe rogan
We've been to Texas, Brazil.
All you can eat.
Yeah.
We go to, there's a bunch of good steakhouses, like Kraft Steak and Strip Steak.
One of them is the MGM, and one of them is at Mandalay.
I always forget which one's which.
Kraft Steak is MGM, right?
That one's the shit.
greg fitzsimmons
There's one at the Palm, I think, called Nine.
joe rogan
Oh, so good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that place is amazing.
That place is amazing.
Big UFC this weekend, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
After what?
joe rogan
I'm leaving tomorrow.
Oh, are you?
Yeah, UFC this weekend.
greg fitzsimmons
New Year's Eve?
joe rogan
No, it's the day before New Year's Eve to not compete with New Year's Eve.
It's the 30th.
So it's Friday night, which is super, super rare.
And it's the return of Ronda Rousey.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
She's fighting.
joe rogan
She's fighting the champion, Amanda Nunes.
Very intense matchup.
Ronda Rousey has been training like a fucking demon, man.
It's crazy.
It's kind of frightening.
greg fitzsimmons
So are you doing a show while you're out there?
joe rogan
No, not this time.
This time I'm hanging out.
Just going to hang out with some friends during town.
I don't want to always do shows.
Like tomorrow night I'm going to work out with Mark Della Grotte.
He's a kickboxing trainer that's a real good buddy of mine who works for the UFC. And he's going to be there.
So we'll do the weigh-ins, go get something to eat, and go to the gym.
Go whack some pads around.
It's fun.
Just relax.
Take the weekend off.
Because I come in to read the weigh-ins.
On the one day, which, this way, usually it's Friday, but it'll be Thursday now.
And then the fights are on Friday night.
greg fitzsimmons
And then, do you do much prep?
Do you have to, like, review stats and stuff?
joe rogan
Most of the prep I do, I just do naturally, believe it or not, because I'm just curious about the fights.
Because I know they're coming up, so, like, we did a breakdown show on, um...
Monday?
Yeah.
On Monday we did a breakdown show.
We went over the card.
And I'll do more of that on my own.
But it's not like anybody asked me to do it.
And it's not like...
I'm doing it because I want to do it.
I'm doing it because it enhances my appreciation of the fights.
Find out a little bit about each dude.
Watch a few of his old fights.
Go, ooh, I like how he does this.
Or look how she does that.
Or, oh, this guy's got one good position.
Like, if he gets you in this position, he finishes this guy.
unidentified
It's like there's...
joe rogan
So it's fun to do it from that perspective.
So then when I'm watching the fight, I've got kind of an understanding of at least how they used to move six months ago or a year ago.
People get better quick, too.
That's the other weird thing about this world.
The MMA world is changing so fast, the level of athlete is moving in such a fast direction.
These guys keep getting better and better and better and better and better.
And they're all getting better, so it's hard to tell.
But when you compare a top-level athlete of today versus a top-level athlete of 20 years ago, that's when you see these stark, gigantic differences.
When the UFC started in 1993 in comparison to 2016, just stark, crazy differences.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But you're not going to see guys stay at the top as long, you think?
joe rogan
Well, some guys can, or some girls can, you know, depending on how good they are.
Some people just have massive advantages that are very difficult to overcome, like Anderson Silva when he was in his prime.
Anderson Silva had a massive advantage in timing and speed and creativity and striking, whereas he could defend himself on the ground, he was difficult to take down, and when he got him down, he's pretty good defensively with his guard.
But standing up, he's a goddamn genius.
He was a virtuoso.
And he would just move on you and do weird shit to you and then BLAM! Catch you with a front kick to the face or something.
He would time you, figure you out, find your distance, and then land some crazy shit on you and fuck you up.
And he did it to so many people.
So when a guy like that is at the top, he's so truly exceptional at one particular aspect of the game, a lot of times they can go on a good run.
So it's hard.
It's hard for people to go on a run.
Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson's probably on the longest run as a champion now, I think.
Is he on the longest run?
The most wins as a champion?
I think he might be right up there with Anderson in the most wins.
And then maybe Jon Jones is in there, too.
greg fitzsimmons
What weight is he?
joe rogan
He's the smallest guy.
He's 125. He's the flyweight champion.
But in my opinion, he's the best pound-for-pound guy.
Because if you look at, like...
He's definitely smaller than the other guys.
He can move differently because he's not so weighed down by gravity.
So it's very difficult to look at his movements and say, well, you could compare him to a guy like Fabricio Verdun who's 240 pounds.
Fabricio's just more hampered down by gravity.
His body just has to push around so much more.
There's no way he can move with the kind of fluidity that a guy like Mighty Mouse can.
greg fitzsimmons
And what's the biggest guy that Mighty Mouse will fight?
joe rogan
Anderson Silva, 10-fight win streak, and Demetrius Johnson is at 8, right below George St. Pierre, which is at 9. He's at 9 now, I think.
jamie vernon
This is as of July.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So Demetrius defended his title again recently, so he's tied with George St. Pierre for second place.
So that's, you know, like a guy like Anderson, perfect example.
Super tough.
John Jones, another one, perfect example.
John Jones is a ridiculously talented athlete.
So like when you have these like really, really talented guys, like extreme outliers, they tend to be able to go on rolls.
Also because when you fight them, it's terrifying.
Because you know you're stepping in there with the alpha.
You're stepping in there with Anderson Silva in his prime and he bows to you and you're like, oh my god, what the fuck have I gotten myself into?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can pump yourself up for it and get yourself thinking, like, I'm the fucking man now.
But, like, when you're actually across the street from the man, and you're looking at each other eye to eye, and you realize, like, that's Anderson motherfucking Silva.
I'm about to step into the ring, step into the octagon, rather, with the best ever.
greg fitzsimmons
You're doing Hanson on the edge of a tall building.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's hard for them to get over that.
It takes a super strong mind just to be able to fight at your best.
Whether or not your best is even good enough, that's another aspect of the fight.
Whether or not your best is good enough is really secondary because you're not going to be able to be at your best.
You're going to be so freaked out and so fucking nervous.
Your timing's going to be off.
Your adrenaline is going to be fucking pumping through your veins.
You might get an adrenaline dump, so you might tire out in the second round.
You gotta manage your resources, you gotta manage your anxiety, and you're facing a goddamn ninja.
Like a real live superhero character.
greg fitzsimmons
And he's seeing all of those weaknesses in you.
joe rogan
He sees everything.
He sees everything too when you start moving around.
When you would move around with him, he would move around with you and he would see how you move, whether or not you move slow.
Like he would take his time.
He would take his time and then just open up on guys.
Fascinating to watch him, man, because he would dissect guys.
You'd see him dissecting guys.
He'd be bouncing around and moving.
He would change his footwork.
He would throw a little fake your way and see how you react.
You go, I could have hit you right there.
Okay, I see what's going on here.
And then you do some stuff at him.
He's like, no, not today.
Not today with that.
And you would see him doing all these calculations in his mind and setting up traps.
And then somewhere in the second round, he would attack.
And when he was in his prime, it was just stunning to behold.
Here he is right now.
He's standing in front of this guy, hands down, and he just barely moves his head out of the way.
He's like, just timing him, just trying to figure out, and then plop!
Pops him with a jab and drops him.
I mean, you're watching all this in slow motion, too, unfortunately.
But this was when he fought Yushin Okami.
I mean, he was just an assassin back then.
He was so good.
That's when he was the middleweight champion.
And he was just lighting people up in there, man.
greg fitzsimmons
So he'll let a guy get up because he's better on his feet.
joe rogan
He didn't give a fuck, dude.
Go to Anderson Silva Highlight Reel.
See if you can find that.
He didn't give a fuck.
If you were on your feet, you were going to get knocked out against him in his prime.
That was his attitude.
He would stand with anybody.
I mean, his stand-up was so exceptional.
greg fitzsimmons
But he's still fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's still fighting.
But he's 40 or 41 now.
And that's the only fucking thing in the world that's undefeated is father time, man.
Just check this shit out.
This is him when he was in his prime.
He just slides out of the way and drops that dude with a punch.
I mean, he just had a way of moving.
Just see if you have a highlight reel, not just this one fight.
Oh, this highlight tribute?
Oh, okay.
I see.
But it's just the same fight a couple times in a row.
This guy had a real good chance against him.
Travis Luter.
This is a bunch of people that he fought.
They're showing.
He was so goddamn good.
That's Travis Luter caught in a triangle getting elbowed in the head.
He just was at that time in particular, he was the next level of striking.
Because we had never seen anybody who had, like, real world-class striking skills in the middleweight division like Anderson did.
He just had, especially in particular, MMA striking skills.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, his feet are just grounded.
His balance is amazing.
joe rogan
Well, he was just exceptional.
Truly exceptional.
And physically strong, for sure.
But the big thing about Anderson wasn't, like, how big he was.
It was just how technical he was.
And how brilliant his ability to figure guys out was.
This was a guy he fought named Lee Murray.
Lee Murray is a guy who put on the biggest bank robbery in the history of Great Britain.
That guy stole hundreds of millions of dollars, allegedly, from a bank and is in jail.
I think in Morocco now because of it.
But he was an assassin too.
And they two met up and Anderson Silva lit him on fire.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just fucked him up.
Just stood right in front of him.
Leg kicked the shit out of him.
Beat his ass.
Took his best shots.
He was so good.
greg fitzsimmons
So are you friends with Silva?
joe rogan
I know him.
I see him.
He doesn't speak English that good.
But I always give him a hug when I see him.
He's a very nice guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And...
Again, he's the greatest of all time, if you're a fan of the sport.
In my opinion, that guy, when he was in his...
There's a few-year period where someone can exist at the highest of RPMs.
And when he was in the highest of RPMs, the argument is really between him...
And maybe Fedor Emelianenko, who fought in Pride.
I think Fedor is a real possibility.
Like, I definitely could see the argument that he was number one instead of Anderson.
But it's really, like, who the fuck knows?
They fought in different organizations.
They fought different people.
You know, I think the talent level is probably a little bit better in the UFC. But it's arguable that it wasn't because, you know, he was fighting...
Krokop in his prime and Noguera in his prime and Fedor fought some of the all-time greats at their best and beat him.
So it's arguable that he fought a tougher range of opponents.
So maybe it's arguable that Fedor's accomplishments are more impressive because the opposition he fought was bigger, more dangerous.
He fought Krokop when Krokop was just an assassin, just smashing people, knocking everybody dead.
And he walked him down and out-kickboxed him.
Mostly.
That's mostly what the fight was about.
greg fitzsimmons
So when you get to know these guys, I'm sure you're more friendly with some than others.
Is that hard to affect the way you call the fights in terms of being critical?
joe rogan
It can be.
I try not to make it though.
I try really hard to be as objective as possible about what I'm saying.
And sometimes people get upset that I'm friends with because I'm talking about things that they're doing wrong or things that are going wrong for them.
And so they'll think that I'm rooting against them.
And I'm like, look, I'm not.
greg fitzsimmons
And they'll say something to you about it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have conversations with them.
I'm like, dude, I am not rooting against you.
This is what I'm seeing.
I'm seeing this.
I know you're thinking that you're winning this part of the fight or you're thinking that I'm being hypercritical.
But I have to say it if I'm seeing it.
And I try really hard to have a point.
I'm not a critical person.
I'm mocking someone for no reason or...
Talking in a negative way about their technique for no reason.
It's only because it's not happening, and I want everybody to know what's going wrong.
greg fitzsimmons
You're pointing out the momentum of the fight.
joe rogan
Also, I want to know what's going on that's wrong.
Because your job as a commentator is not just to say what's happening and talk about what's happening, but in MMA, it's also to explain things.
I have to explain certain things that are critical in a fight.
Like, say if someone gets kicked in the leg really hard a few times, you see him start to limp on it.
I have to point out that I see him limping.
Now, this is going to be a huge issue if he tries to shoot in or if he wants to move away.
It's going to hinder his mobility.
It's very important.
So then the people at home, now they go, okay, well, that makes sense.
Oh, yeah, look, that guy is limping.
Oh, shit, he got hit in that same spot again.
Now he's on the ground again.
Oh, my God, he can't get up.
Like, I see it now.
So you know patterns.
greg fitzsimmons
You're a storyteller.
joe rogan
Yes.
You're also...
You're talking about a mathematical problem, essentially.
A problem that's being duked out.
There's literally a force problem.
It's like this versus this.
And you're trying to get there faster.
You're trying to hit harder in the better positions.
So like the geometry of the human body, you're trying to accelerate towards the vulnerable areas and do it better.
So what are the best ways to do that?
And then there's a science and art behind doing it in the best way.
And it's my job To explain that science and art to the best I can live, in motion, while it's all happening.
I can't be biased.
I try very hard to not be.
Because it's really important that I point out both sides.
And sometimes people accuse you of it, and I swear to God, if you do feel that I'm doing it, it is absolutely not intentional.
I try very hard to try to be as balanced and unbiased as I can while explaining exactly what I see playing out.
Even with my friends.
I'll see my friend getting fucked up.
And I'm like, he can't drop that right hand.
He's dropping that right hand, the guy's stepping to the right, and he's gonna catch him.
And then, boom, when they catch him, they're like, fuck!
Like, you see it happening sometimes before they can see it.
greg fitzsimmons
Does that ever affect how close you let yourself get to a fighter?
joe rogan
No.
No.
No, I respect them all very deeply, you know, and I'm really good friends with a lot of them.
And I want the best for all of them.
And that sounds contradictory.
It sounds like impossible.
Like, someone will think, like, if they fight that person, and they hate that person, and you like that person, but you like them, like, you're a traitor or something.
Or, like, how can you talk to that person?
How can you talk to him?
He's my mortal enemy.
But look, man.
I hate the fact that you guys are enemies.
I don't know how much of it's real, how much of it you're doing for press, but I'm not happy with it.
But I like the guy.
He's a good guy.
I can be friends with somebody that you're not friends with.
Like if you have some guy that you don't like, you would have to have a good reason.
You know, like somebody fucked you over.
It couldn't be like a competitive reason, like two guys who fought and they're bitter about it.
You know what I mean?
If you told me about some guy who fucked you over in a business deal or something like that, I'd be like, oh, well, fuck that guy.
That guy did something wrong.
But if it's just a competitor, like that fucking guy, I tried to follow him in Miami and I bombed.
Fuck him.
You're like, oh, that guy kicked your ass.
With a lot of fighters, they develop these very...
These deeply conflicting relationships with fellow fighters.
You can't get too close to them because then you're going to have to fight them.
Some guys don't give a fuck.
Some guys become friends with guys and then wind up fighting them.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Is there any stories of that happening?
joe rogan
A lot of guys.
A lot of guys have done that.
A lot of guys, they started out friends, and then because they had to fight each other, like Jon Jones and Rashad Evans, that was a big story.
Like, Rashad Evans was like Jon Jones' bigger, older brother.
And they were real close.
And then when Jon fought for the title, he fought for the title because Rashad was injured, and Jon won the title.
Jon stepped in on short notice, won the title, and then it became a possibility of one day Rashad fighting Jon for the title.
And then they wound up getting super bitter about it and not liking each other anymore.
It's really interesting to watch.
But that's just one example.
There's a lot of guys who are close.
Close guys.
They're buddies with each other.
And they get in there and they beat the fuck out of each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It's crazy.
How do you not get close?
It's like with comedians.
You talk about hanging out at the store.
It's like, I can't talk.
Somebody was telling me about he hates being called a legend.
joe rogan
Who said that?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm not gonna say who.
joe rogan
Is he a legend?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
Don Gavin?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I mean, and the point was like...
joe rogan
You don't want to tell me?
Nobody else is going to know.
Just tell me.
greg fitzsimmons
It was Ron White.
joe rogan
Oh.
greg fitzsimmons
He's a legend.
He is.
He's a legend.
joe rogan
He's a legend.
greg fitzsimmons
But I think he got an intro of being a legend the other night.
He was saying to me, I fucking hate that because I'm in here scrapping like everybody else.
These lineups are kill.
The lineup the other night was like D'Elia and you and him and Jesselnik and Spade.
And it's like on any given night, you don't want to be called the legend because that just immediately puts you on a shelf instead of in the fight.
And so anyway, he said that to me and the reason I want to say it is...
I can see somebody taking that out of context and going like, oh, you hate being called a legend.
But it's like, I've been called that by young comics.
And it's like, don't call me a fucking legend because, first of all, I didn't earn it.
And second of all, I'm still playing the game.
I'm still on the roster here.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be.
greg fitzsimmons
But I was just thinking, you can't have that conversation with somebody who's not doing what we do.
Because it would almost sound like you're fully yourself.
And the same thing with fighters.
There's probably things that they can only talk to each other about that they could never talk to straight people about because they just haven't been there.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
greg fitzsimmons
So how do you not get close to other fighters that you might have to fight one day?
joe rogan
Especially when there's a lot of guys in the same weight in the same camp, which is very beneficial.
Because if you get a bunch of really good guys, like Team Alpha Male is a perfect example of that.
There's all these guys that are around the 135 to 155 pound weight class.
Bunch of really elite guys, and 125 even.
But a lot of elite guys in the lower weight classes.
And they all train together, but they never fight each other.
Then they had a big falling out because TJ Dillashaw won the title, and then he left Team Alpha Male and went to Denver, and now they don't like each other.
There's so much camaraderie and teams, and there's this weird sort of tribal bond that goes with teams.
You know, the teams that compete against other teams.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, they're like gangs.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
In a lot of ways.
But, you know...
They're not criminals.
They're just a bunch of dudes that are bonded together and women too.
A lot of fucking serious, hardcore women in the sport now.
There's Amanda Nunes, the world champion.
She's the first openly gay MMA fighter.
She's a champion, rather.
First openly gay MMA champion.
And she's the women's 135-pound fighter.
She's the one who's going to fight Ronda Rousey.
greg fitzsimmons
Where's she from?
joe rogan
She's from Brazil.
She lives in Florida.
She trains an American Top Team.
It's like the big camp.
It's like there's a few big camps all throughout the world, but when it comes to elite level MMA fighters, who's got the biggest amount of them, it's between Jackson's in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Miami, American Top Team.
They just have so many fucking elite fighters.
greg fitzsimmons
Must be tough for her to train with people if she's that good.
To find somebody who's a peer.
joe rogan
No, she fucking fights with dudes.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what she does.
joe rogan
Spars with dudes, I'm sure.
A lot of them do.
Almost all women spar with dudes, at least somewhat.
Most of the dudes, at least in high-level camps, are very respectful.
They're not going to try to hurt a woman.
The best people in the best camps now realize the damage that you take in sparring.
It's like a frequent conversation now.
It's like to not spar hard.
Sparring should almost be technical and playing and very light so you're not damaging your body.
You're not taking unnecessary shots to the head.
greg fitzsimmons
You're not kicking people to the leg.
joe rogan
Well, you kick them a little bit in the leg.
It's not bad.
But the problem is the head.
That's the real problem.
And even kicking them in the leg, there's no reason to kick someone full blast.
You kick the bag full blast.
You don't need to kick a person full blast.
And so these big teams, the more talent you get in one weight class, the more you get a bunch of sharks circling the same seal or whatever the fuck you would...
Whatever the analogy you would want.
You get better, more competition.
You get better interaction.
As long as there's a good camaraderie between all the fighters.
But it's so hard to maintain.
They almost always wind up getting mad at each other.
Somebody fucking hits somebody after practice.
There's always some thing where they're going to have to fight some days.
They talk shit to each other.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, also, I mean, I'm sure you know a lot more about this than I do, but the people that will be drawn to a sport like this might be contentious people.
They might be people that have pretty good-sized egos and are maybe confrontational, and so those people aren't going to necessarily always interact that well with others.
joe rogan
Quite a few of them, for sure.
But you'd be amazed.
It's one of the more fascinating things about MMA. You'd be amazed at how many college-educated, very reasonable, rational people just view it as the ultimate extreme challenge.
Whether it be riding a fucking snowboard off the top of a mountain, you get dropped off in a helicopter and you go down the side of a cliff...
Those kind of people.
Those kind of extreme athlete people that might have gotten into BMX riding or might have gotten into a lot of things that we don't think of as being violent and aggressive, but they're ultra risk-taking sports.
And the reward that comes from doing a flip when you're BMX jumping and you flip through the air and land on your feet, that's a I'm cheating death thing.
And those same people, I think, a lot of elite ones, they're getting interested in possibly competing in MMA and taking that risk and challenging themselves in that way.
So you're seeing a lot of very smart people, man.
At the highest level, you have to be smart.
If you talk to a guy like Jon Jones, he might make some poor decisions with his life because he parties a lot and he's kind of crazy, but he's very smart.
When you talk to him and you look in his eyes, whether or not he has access to the same vocabulary as Christopher Hitchens did, no, maybe not, but he's a fucking genius in fighting.
He knows how to figure people out.
He knows how to fight under pressure as good as anybody alive.
And when you talk to him, he's very engaging.
He's not in any way stupid.
He's a very smart guy.
He has his interests and his focus.
And if his focus and his interests were in intellectual pursuits, if that was really what stimulated him and made him want to follow through on something like that, I'm sure he'd be really good in that too.
I would say it's really easy for people to sort of discredit someone and someone's intellectual capacity just because they're a fighter.
greg fitzsimmons
I wasn't talking about intellect.
I was just talking about in terms of alpha status, that it is hard to put a bunch of alpha people near each other without a little bit of, you know, banging elbows.
joe rogan
Yes, but my point is that less than you would think it would be.
Much more camaraderie and much more social, like very reasonable interaction, gentleman interaction than you would imagine.
There's much more of that.
But the problem is a guy like Conor McGregor comes along, and he talks mad shit, and he lights the world on fire.
And everybody wants to talk shit now.
And I get it.
I get it.
I mean, it sells pay-per-view.
It's good for the sport.
unidentified
It's fun to watch.
greg fitzsimmons
They make more money if they talk shit, right?
joe rogan
Dude, they just released this thing.
Someone did it on how much Conor McGregor.
He sold more pay-per-views in a year than the entire roster combined.
You compare all the other fights of like, I forget how it was done, but Brendan Schaub sent it to me.
Did he send it to you, Jamie?
jamie vernon
No, but I saw it.
I'll try to find it out.
greg fitzsimmons
And what kind of money are we talking about?
joe rogan
I don't know what he gets paid.
I don't know how much he gets per pay-per-view, but look at this.
The entire roster drew 3.3 to 3.2 million in 2014. Conor McGregor drew double that on his own in 12 months.
While GSP holds the record for the most pay-per-view buys in total, because he had a lot of pay-per-views more than Conor, Conor holds basically every other pay-per-view record.
McGregor has drawn an insane 6.85 million buys in just 15 months.
Holy shit.
Wow.
He drew twice as many buys in one year than the entire UFC roster in 2014. Just his fights.
greg fitzsimmons
So what's he making?
joe rogan
Well, that's a good question.
Like, he was saying recently that he wouldn't fight unless it's, well, actually, Nate Diaz was saying that he wouldn't fight, rather, who was his opponent in the last, not his last fight, which was Eddie Alvarez, but the fight before that.
There was a rematch with Nate.
Nate beat him in the first fight, and then it was a real close fight in the second fight, and Conor won a decision.
And Nate's saying that he won't fight unless he gets $20 million.
And a lot of people say, well, that's too much.
He's not going to get paid that.
I don't know how much money is there.
Let's look at it this way.
greg fitzsimmons
What do you mean, $20 million in purse or in endorsements?
joe rogan
Well, it's all going to be purse.
greg fitzsimmons
And pay-per-view is separate than purse.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, no, no, no.
Pay-per-view is based on purse, or purse is based on pay-per-view.
You get points, or you get a piece of the action, or you can get a guarantee.
So if it's going to be a guarantee, say if that's what he said, and obviously I'm not a mathematician, we know this, right?
So if he said $20 million, that's what he wants to fight for.
If pay-per-view is what, $60?
How much does it cost?
Let's say it's $60.
And let's say they sell a million pay-per-views, which is an excellent number.
That's $60 million.
Yep.
Okay.
So $60 million, he wants a third of that right off the top.
And then you would got to think, well, if he's going to fight Conor, Conor's going to take a third of that too, right?
At least.
He's not going to take less than Nate.
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
Nate.
Nate, and he's going to fight Conor.
jamie vernon
Yep, yep, yep.
joe rogan
So if he's going to fight Conor, Conor's going to take probably even more than that, right?
So it's 20 and what, 25?
So there's less...
For the UFC, then those two guys?
Well, that's how it is in boxing.
That's how it is in, like, if you look at, like, the purses for, like, a lot of boxing matches, the way they have it described is, like, the big guys, like Floyd Mayweather, get a lion's share of the purse, and then everybody else gets less, including the promoters.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you've got ticket sales, which is probably just a couple million.
joe rogan
The ticket sales are probably pretty substantial, depending on where it is.
jamie vernon
205, it was 17.7 million.
joe rogan
So there you go.
$17.7 million in Madison Square Garden, right?
And then what about that giant Vegas place?
The T-Mobile Arena in Vegas?
That's a lot more people.
When that sells out, what is that?
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, you're saying $17 million for one fight?
joe rogan
For one night.
greg fitzsimmons
In ticket sales?
joe rogan
Madison Square Garden.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So...
greg fitzsimmons
Then you got merchandise.
joe rogan
Right, but that's theirs, right?
Because it's about the UFC, it's not about the fighter.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't think, I mean, maybe if the fighter's selling, if they're selling Conor McGregor merchandise, that's a different story.
Yeah, then they should definitely get a giant chunk of that.
I don't know how much they get.
greg fitzsimmons
And then this isn't including sponsorships.
joe rogan
Well, there's no sponsors, right?
The UFC has some sponsors in the octagon.
I mean, they have some movie sponsors and stuff, but as for the fighters, there's really no sponsors that they carry into the octagon with them.
The only sponsor is Reebok.
And some people have a deal with Monster Energy Drink, again.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I see guys putting hats on after they win.
joe rogan
Not always in the UFC. Most likely in Bellator.
Or unless they have a Monster Energy drink deal, which the UFC also has a deal with.
But it's real weird.
For the longest time, they did.
They had it all over their shorts.
They would wear whatever they want.
They would wear T-shirts coming into the Octagon.
But then they signed this deal with Reebok, and a lot of people are upset about it.
They have to wear Reebok stuff now.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
It's a hot point.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure.
That's a lot of money.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is for a lot of fighters.
For a lot of fighters, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So in terms of how much money is left then, how much does it cost to run a global organization like that?
How much does it cost to keep the infrastructure alive?
How much does it cost to upload everything to pay-per-view?
How much does it cost to hire all these people?
How much does it cost to put that production together?
greg fitzsimmons
Advertise.
joe rogan
Right, so if it's only 60 million bucks and then 15 million bucks from obviously I don't know and there's got to be international shit too because they sell it internationally all over the world I mean the UFC is everywhere so a big fight like Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor doesn't just sell in the United States it sells everywhere I don't know if that's all included I don't know how they work that shit out but my point is when someone says he wants 20 million dollars that might make sense Or that might not make sense.
Like, I don't know what the numbers are.
And also, you gotta pay taxes.
Like, if you're making all that money, if you're bringing in all that money, you gotta pay taxes on that money.
Who pays the taxes?
Does the UFC pay the taxes first, and then pay the fighters out of what's left?
Do they all act as private contractors?
That's a good question, but I don't know.
But, as far as, like, how much money they're making.
I think for a guy like Conor McGregor, the correct answer would be a fuckload.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's making fuckloads of money.
greg fitzsimmons
And what's that, five fights a year?
joe rogan
He's not fighting that often, but he's probably fought in the last 24 months.
How many times has he fought in the last 24 months?
He went on a crazy run, beat Aldo.
He beat Dennis Seaver, Aldo, and then the Nate Diaz fight, Eddie Alvarez.
jamie vernon
2015, so one, two, three times in 2015, three times in 2016. Yeah, so that's about right.
joe rogan
That's a lot of fighting, by the way.
greg fitzsimmons
So $50 million a year.
joe rogan
Every four months like that, it's very hard on your body.
Very hard on your body.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Hard to do.
But some guys, like Cowboy Cerrone, he lives off that.
That's what he loves.
greg fitzsimmons
Think about it if you break down the numbers, though, and granted...
NFL or NBA has a lot more revenue coming in, but you're also paying, you know, NFL, you got, what, 44 guys on the team?
joe rogan
It's interesting that you say that.
greg fitzsimmons
Trainers, all that fucking shit.
joe rogan
You should look at the number, put up the number of revenue, the amount of revenue that they bring in versus the UFC. It's hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the NFL's like $375 billion.
The UFC's like two.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the difference is fucking preposterous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like find out there's a chart, like a graph that they can show you that somebody put together that shows you the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, and MMA is like below hockey.
greg fitzsimmons
And you know that porn used to beat all of them put together, NBA, NFL, all of it, and...
joe rogan
CBS, NBC, and ABC as well.
greg fitzsimmons
And all the major movies.
All together!
Dwarfed by porn.
joe rogan
And now it's gone.
greg fitzsimmons
Now it's all gone.
I mean, the AVN Awards, at its height, I hosted it when there was 7,000 people in the audience on Showtime.
Now it's like 200 losers in a room with an open mic are hosting it.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It's over.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
I shouldn't say that.
I don't want to disparage them.
Let's just say it's smaller than it used to be.
joe rogan
I just think they're doing awesome craft work now.
Now they're doing it for the love of the art.
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
joe rogan
And it's different.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, for me it's all about Japanese hidden camera massage porn.
joe rogan
That's your shit?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because it's real.
I gotta see shit that's real.
Casting couch?
Guarantee that a lot of that is real.
joe rogan
That's what you like?
You wanna see real nerves?
unidentified
I wanna see the girl a little bit nervous, a little confused.
greg fitzsimmons
I wanna see the transition in her eyes from I'm auditioning for a pajama commercial to I'm taking it, taking it hard on camera.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't want to see two people that are, you know, too into it.
I want to see somebody get taken for a ride.
joe rogan
Somebody just get hoodwinked?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, like the massage thing.
They're getting a regular massage from a woman, and it's a good massage.
You can tell that these are like practice masseuses.
And then all of a sudden, they're on their stomach, and they get up in that ass crack a little bit, and they get down in the valley, and they've got a camera on the woman's face, and above, and below, and usually somewhere else.
And they keep it on the face so you can see the eyes open and kind of look around.
And I'm telling you, fucking Mia Farrow.
Who's a great actress?
Jane Fonda couldn't portray...
joe rogan
How about Faye Dunaway?
greg fitzsimmons
Faye Dunaway could not portray the subtle nuances of coming around to being suddenly fingered by a masseuse.
joe rogan
So you think it's real?
greg fitzsimmons
I defy anybody.
I will send you clips that are undeniable.
joe rogan
I think you should take that and run with it.
Just don't look to anything that points to the contrary.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Why would I? Why would you?
What is life?
unidentified
It's unempowering.
greg fitzsimmons
Life is perception.
It's not reality.
joe rogan
It's not empowering to think that that's staged and you're just being tricked by some unenthusiastic people that need the money.
No, you want to think that this is a real massage.
greg fitzsimmons
Absolutely real.
unidentified
The guy's fingering her and she just grabs his dick.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I don't watch those.
joe rogan
You don't watch those?
greg fitzsimmons
Because that seems rapey.
joe rogan
What if the guy's laying down and the girl just starts sucking his dick?
unidentified
Nah, that's rapey.
joe rogan
What if he gets a massage from a girl?
If the guy gets a massage from a girl and she just starts blowing him?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you know, a woman is pleasuring another woman.
joe rogan
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So you like it.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I enjoy it.
I like to see everyone had a good day.
joe rogan
Everybody had a good day.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, the masseuse is getting paid handsomely.
She knows she's on camera.
joe rogan
Plus they're lesbians.
greg fitzsimmons
I think most women are.
They don't get a chance to explore it as much.
joe rogan
Wow.
Strong words.
greg fitzsimmons
Throw some hidden cameras in there.
We see what really happens.
joe rogan
I can't believe you're saying that.
greg fitzsimmons
I believe that all women have the propensity for lesbianism because it's soft.
They're being touched in a gentle way.
joe rogan
Not the way I do it.
I do my lesbian stuff.
Lesbian biker style.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's my style.
greg fitzsimmons
A lot of hardware.
joe rogan
What style of fucking do you employ?
I'm like a lesbian biker.
That's my shit.
I'm like, how a lesbian would fuck you if she was mad with a strap on?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's mad.
Angry, boots on.
You were flirting with a guy at the pizza font.
So just fucking out of you, bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
You were talking to the enemy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's got like a strap on with like a little, like a dog collar with those little buttons, those little silver snaps.
It pops in place.
greg fitzsimmons
Pop, pop.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big green dick.
That's what I think.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She probably heats it up in the water just like that chicken cutlet trick I told you earlier.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't wait to get home.
Honey, what do we have for dinner tonight?
joe rogan
Greg Fitzsimmons, let's play some pool.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Tell these people where to get your tickets one more time.
greg fitzsimmons
Fitsdog.com.
Also check out the podcast, Fitsdog Radio.
Numbers have been shooting up the last six months.
I've doubled my downloads.
That's beautiful.
I don't know what the fuck happened.
joe rogan
Podcasting is super popular right now.
greg fitzsimmons
It's getting big, man.
unidentified
It's giant.
greg fitzsimmons
You're due to come back.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to make a comeback.
greg fitzsimmons
Last time you came on was New Year's Day 2016. Yeah, let's do it soon.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm around for a while.
greg fitzsimmons
All right, I love it.
joe rogan
Let's do it soon.
Yeah, your podcast is awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
And is it still on Sirius as well?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm doing the show on Sirius Monday nights at 5 o'clock PST. And are those shows ever available online?
Yes, they're on the app.
They're on the Sirius app.
And then also they're letting me release the old Sirius episodes now on the podcast.
Oh, good for them.
I got Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys coming up, Norm MacDonald, a bunch of great ones.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so cool.
I'm glad they do.
That's a very powerful move by Sirius.
Good for them.
Congratulations, Sirius.
Good company.
That's a great company, man.
That's how it should be done.
That's a very cool thing that they did.
greg fitzsimmons
I've been there for eight years.
I've never gotten one note about do this differently.
joe rogan
I'm writing a fucking note right now.
unidentified
Stop talking about chicken cutlets.
joe rogan
Greg Fitzsimmons!
Are you at the store tonight?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm not.
New Year's Eve at Cobbs.
That's my next gig.
unidentified
Oh, beautiful.
joe rogan
San Francisco.
Fuck yeah.
God damn, that's one of the great clubs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's one of the best.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a fun one.
joe rogan
Alright.
Thanks, brother.
Love you, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
See you next week.
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