Wim Hof, the "Iceman," returns to The Joe Rogan Experience with groundbreaking claims: his breathing method—validated by German research—boosts oxygen beyond 100% saturation, alters ATP production, and reverses inflammation in conditions like cancer and autoimmune diseases, with 48 participants achieving blood alkalinity of 7.8. He dismisses skepticism, citing Scott Carnitune’s conversion after debunking conspiracy theories, and envisions integrating his techniques into U.S. healthcare and schools to counter societal stress and stifled creativity. Hof’s unconventional path, from mountaineering to trauma reversal, stems from a self-taught mastery of biochemistry, framing modern life’s toxins as DNA disruptors. Their conversation underscores how natural stimulation—breathing, cold, and love—could reshape human potential. [Automatically generated summary]
So at, say, 15,000 feet, the acclimatization, the adaptation is not as fast in human bodies.
Now, we found this breathing techniques and using the mind, and that enables us to accelerate what science is thinking, that it is arranged autonomically.
So outside of our will and we cannot interfere.
We cannot intervene.
So we will show that with like 30 people.
By the way, past January, I did it with a person 76 years old without prior mountaineering experience and he did it in 44 hours.
So, the standard model of what someone can do as far as how much red blood cells they can generate is observed, and they thought that it was at 15,000 feet, it became too difficult, but you've shown that with your exercises and with your deep breathing techniques that you can actually accelerate red blood cell count Consciously, or at least not consciously, through conscious action.
What we did last time, but then adapted to while you are walking.
And when, you know, first sign of AMS, lack of oxygen in the head, means headache.
AMS is acute mountain sickness.
And the first sign is headache and that means a lack of oxygen inside the brain.
Normally we are not able to get oxygen then at that moment inside the brain to equal the balance, the disbalance, the lack of oxygen and I've learned just to do that.
So we tackle the problem and keep on able to perform in the extreme conditions even.
So through this technique of taking these enormous deep breaths, letting some of it out, and then trying to refill, and then letting some of it out, trying to refill, letting some of it out, and then you're forcing your lungs to constantly carry air.
This biochemical professor, and he tells, looking at the results, what you have produced with the university, regarding to the immune system and influencing into the autonomic nervous system, we can say you guys have found a way to tap into the tissue into the lymphatic system and take away the acidity over there.
And the storage capacity of the lymphatic system at that deeper level than the blood is actually a storage capacity to have chemistry which is wrong stored up over there so it doesn't mess with the rest of the physiology to maintain functionality.
So but in time you got to deal with it.
It's like garbage and that garbage we could not tap into that.
I'm gonna stop you right here because for a lot of people that are listening to this like what the fuck is Joe Rogan doing on this podcast?
What the hell is this about?
You are very unique in that your claims are incredibly unusual but substantiated by science and this is not It's not woo-woo science that this is real legitimate researchers have what they injected you with what was it they injected you with?
Yeah, and a good friend of mine and a really interesting guy.
He loves your stuff, and he's fascinated by it.
I know a lot of other people that are fascinated by it, too.
A lot of people that I know that are taking your course and trying your stuff since the last time you were on.
So anybody who's listened to this podcast for the first time, you might want to go back and listen to the first one, and we go into great detail about all the different accomplishments that you've made with your method, the Wim Hof breathing method.
So in case you're listening to this for the first time, you're like, what the fuck is this?
Well, it's funny that you're teaming up with Anthony Robbins, because you hear that Anthony Robbins, you know, Anthony Robbins loves to do those walking on fire things, but lately it's been causing problems because people pause in the middle, take selfies, and then they wind up burning their feet.
I gotta write something down because I keep forgetting it.
Is that true though?
As far as negative ions and doing negative things to your body, have they ever found any correlation between the use of electronics and negative aspects?
And he went to Bolivia, and he lived with the Chumani for a couple weeks, and they brought them shoes, like, hey, try these shoes on.
They didn't want to have nothing to do with those shoes.
They're like, get those stupid things out of here.
Because those people walk barefoot everywhere, and their feet, he said their feet don't look like anybody's feet.
He's like, they're all splayed out, like their toes are splayed out, and there's like a thick, thick padding underneath, you know, where they basically have their own shoes.
Like the calluses in the bottom of their feet act as shoes.
Do you think that there's any benefit from the fact that you're walking so much or running and then your body's heating up and maybe that has a positive effect on your skin?
The thing is I'm very able to go in, to tap into the hormonal system, creating...
Adrenaline.
You know this fact where people sometimes refer to, they lift up a car, a mother, because a child is underneath.
That actually is the mind.
Staring directly into the reptilian mode, the reptilian brain, which is the primitive brain, and there you have direct access to pure adrenaline.
Makes you able to do almost inconceivable feats and accomplish it.
Only you need the right trigger.
Now, because I have been so much into the cold, Cold is cold.
It's a real power force impact upon you.
So you need to learn how to connect within with your mind and your breathing into the brainstem, into this adrenaline, to withstand this force, the cold impact.
So you're tapping into your brain, you're causing your body to produce more adrenaline, and you're focusing on the areas of your body that are contacting the snow.
You know, I'm still able to look around how nice the sunset or the sunrise and be.
So there is a margin even therein.
We just need to go back to believe.
And believe therein means the neurotransmitters and the neurons.
Those are signals.
And it charges.
So if you charge your body, then you're able to influence up to DNA level.
And we have proven this already with the IL-6 interleukinus, those connected to, say, inflammation.
We could not fend it off.
We could not suppress the cytokines, the inflammatory markers.
And we showed very effectively, not me only, a whole group of persons which I trained just in four days to be able to go into the DNA and create the right chemistry consciously by breathing and using the mind.
To fend off inflammatory markers caused by, say, bacteria inside.
So we are actually able to tap into the deepest of ours, create, have control over adrenaline, stress hormone, and go up to, not only in the deepest part of the brain, but also in the DNA. I got interesting things since the last time.
So, if you are able to oxygenize the cells more than we do normally, because we talked about the lymphatic system and the tissue, and actually the body is able to store up more oxygen than the 100% we presumed possible.
Scientifically, we are able to store up more oxygen.
So, if a breathing technique, whatever breathing technique, is able to store up more oxygen in the cell, that means going into the tissue, going into the lymphatic system, then suddenly the chemistry becomes alkaline.
The acid gets out of the body at will.
And then the mind, the mind is little electrical charges, neurotransmitters, and they are suddenly able to connect in the body.
And enabling you to have control, direct, all the systems in the body.
That's the way nature meant it to be.
So the mind's condition to be effective in the body is making the body, by breath, the right breathing, profound breathing, in an alkaline state.
Then these electrical signals are able to travel throughout.
And the way nature meant it to be is that we are able to direct Any part of the body.
So the immune system, endocrine system, the lymphatic system, vascular system, all the systems.
We told a little bit last time, but I got more direct evidence now.
Right now we are working with the universities on the brain, on say emotional reactivity, and they see Incredible things that we actually are able to get into those places where emotion exists.
Well, it makes sense because your blood is carrying oxygen, right?
So the more oxygen you provide your blood, and you are definitely providing it more with these big, long, deep breaths and these techniques that you pursue.
Manipulating up the spine, the central nervous system, up to the tunnel of the light, the brainstem is at the top.
So if you pressurize after inhaling, exhaling like we did last time, you did about three minutes almost without air in the lungs.
Very good, first round.
It's very promising for the next round because you get more and more oxygen.
It's only to show that you are able to store up oxygen far more than you ever used before.
So in case when you need it to regulate the chemistry inside the body, Then it needs oxygen.
Then we are all able, with these breathing exercises, to get it anywhere where the chemistry is messed up.
And a chemistry messed up will send off a signal But we are mostly not listening because we got our worries and we need to do the deadline and this and that.
And then this chemistry stays over there and will deregulate the system.
And then we become sick and we don't know what's happening.
We go to the doctor or the psychiatrist because we become depressed and all.
But we are very able to get into any place in the body, and in this case, the brain.
We do all these studies now with the university.
They say cognitive therapy, just talking to each other in the psychology and psychotherapy, that's not enough.
That was a conference with 200 experts, and they did this breathing.
And then they say, wow!
Talking only is not enough.
But if you do this breathing, then you really get into the brain.
Is that why, do you believe, is that why some studies have shown that rigorous exercise, particularly cardio, like running, elliptical machines, things along those lines, are just as good for depression as medication?
You know, I'm a regular exerciser, but sometimes I just get real busy and I take a couple of days off and sometimes I take a couple days off and I just don't feel right.
Maybe, I mean, I'm not a self-indulgent person, but sometimes I'll just feel like, ah, God, I just feel kind of shitty today or whatever.
And then I force myself to exercise.
I go, look, I'm going to get up an hour early or I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I'm going to, you know, before I go to bed, whatever it is, I'm going to make sure that the day will not end until I exercise.
And when I do...
All goes away.
All the feelings go away.
It's like I have a new brain.
It's like I leave there.
I'm smiling.
I'm laughing.
You know, it seems like everything's just beautiful again.
If I didn't have a fun life and that happened, it would just be compounding all the other issues that I have.
Now, tack on that if I was overweight.
Tack on that if I was hooked on pills, or I was an alcoholic, or cigarette smoking, or one of the other things that are really terrible for you that so many people suffer from.
All those things.
I think there's so many people that think of depression or bad states of mind as being just a hand that you're dealt.
And I don't necessarily think it's the case with everybody because I don't know how everybody's mind works.
But I know certainly from my mind, I can absolutely regulate those ups and downs based on rigorous exercise.
And it doesn't have to be lifting weights or crossfit or jujitsu or anything crazy.
Just go walk up a hill.
Just go hike.
Just go hike.
You go hike, you take those big deep breaths, you get to the top of that hill and you fucking feel great.
And, you know, we've got big problems and issues with people with PTSD, depression, trauma, fear, anxiety in general.
It's all stress.
Stress hormone.
And now, using the...
developing a method and finding it out because I... I was in this quest to go deeper within myself, finding the cold as the right teacher to bring me into the depth of my physiology, finally finding the way nature meant me to be, to feel strong and in control of myself.
I brought this now to science, and now it is a matter of time that we will resolve what we have lost.
The connection with the depth of ourselves.
And that means for people, maybe not for you, because you are able to handle your mood and your physical strength and your health, that's good.
But for those who have PTSD, trauma, anxiety, fear, depression, autoimmune diseases, cancer, all these things, I think nature knows.
And I found these keys in nature.
I just bring it to the science and we forgot about the nature.
This is where I made a couple of notes.
And I think, you know, if we are able not only to show that the autonomic nervous system, the hormonal system, the immune system can be influenced deeply, That means, hormonal system, that is the melatonin, serotonin, dopamine, any feel-good hormone within us and the ability to tap into that system and create those hormones when necessary.
When you feel bad, you just get a shot naturally by breathing and believing of the right hormones and you feel great.
Okay, and then you got the strength, which is also based on hormones.
Hormonal secretions like adrenaline, epinephrine, cortisol, those.
And we show people lying in bed, as I told last time, in bed producing more adrenaline, controlled stress hormone.
Than somebody going into, in fear, going into its first bunker jump.
That means controlled stress among adrenaline.
Adrenaline, which is controlled, is stress among, works like a medicine.
Anytime.
It brings you back to the way nature made us most effective in situations of danger.
That could be cold, extreme cold, heat.
It could be being predated by the lycan drop, like, you know, the werewolves.
Or, yes, real.
Real werewolves?
I think in society there are werewolves even bigger than the one I saw here.
Well, let me ask you this, because adrenaline with fighting is considered to be a very dangerous thing to manage, because there's a thing called an adrenaline dump that happens to a lot of fighters, where they get so worked up, they're so jazzed up before a fight, and then they're in the fight, and then somewhere around the first round, The adrenaline goes away.
And in general, when they do the breathing exercises and the cold exposures, They become just more energetic and they have a lot more connection with their own body, creating confidence within themselves and then they are able to build up this connection mind to body and then their cardio increases, their tranquility increases.
Now when you're watching someone like Alistair fight and he just fought for the UFC heavyweight title and came very close to winning a couple times in that first round and wound up losing, what makes you think that breathing could have helped him in that?
Because he almost won the fight.
He almost knocked Stipe out.
He almost caught him in a guillotine choke.
I mean, and he had Stipe in a lot of trouble on two separate occasions.
Then Stipe caught him and knocked him out.
What makes you think that breathing would have helped him there?
What I do all the time with people or women who are not able to do push-ups, I make them do the breathing, influence muscle tissue, making it alkaline, so the neurotransmitter, the performance neurotransmitter suddenly is able to keep on because it's not becoming acidic.
And then it comes back and it stays over there for all the day long.
And that's what you want.
But most of the people are acidic.
If you pee on it, and then you will see, with a pH strip, yellow to blue, and green in the middle, and all these variations, then you see most of the people are just yellow in the morning.
They do the breathing 20 minutes, and they become blue.
Boom.
And that's where you want to have it, because the neurotransmitters, the electrical signals in the body, they travel a lot faster when it's alkaline.
So your same punch will be faster if it is alkaline than when it's acidic.
And actually it's illogical.
If I'm going to train with this and become acidic at a certain moment, you know, I get to my limit, then I'm not punching as fast than when I'm alkaline.
I'm just saying, like, when I look at that, and I look at the way he was performing, he wasn't performing the way he performed against Junior Dos Santos.
One thing that does happen to fighters, though, and it happens inevitably in a fighter's career if they've taken a lot of fights where there were real wars, is they lose their ability to take a punch.
It's a physiological response the brain has to the amount of punishment that you've been taking, and it knows the punishment's coming and it shuts off prematurely.
Shuts off much quicker than it did when you were younger.
And in the fight game, they call it getting chinny, or his chin is gone, you know, where you take a shot and you can see that you just can't take it anymore.
And doctors take that almost universally as a sign that you should probably start thinking about hanging it up.
No, but now America is beginning to do the basic course, advanced module, and then we have the instructors' week, and it goes up to bachelor level.
The books are in the university.
It's real, legit all, and scientifically endorsed.
And there it is.
It works.
And it works for those people.
And we still got to find out.
Tomorrow, for example, I got a scientific sort of lecture together with Professor Huberman from Stanford University in front of IDEO. In IDEO, there comes a guy who is the Google healthcare hat of it all.
And he was the former man in charge of the healthcare in America, in US. I mean, big people.
And it's not for nothing.
They see it works.
It doesn't work only for, say, people with arthritis, but also with depression.
So you're essentially, in some ways, tapping into the same force that creates the placebo effect.
Because there's an effect when your mind thinks that it has a drug that's going to heal it, even if it's a sugar pill.
You see a visible improvement on many people because of that belief.
So through your belief system, plus the oxygen, plus the deep breathing exercise and the increasing blood flow to the brain, it has all these positive benefits.
The evidence is that people are beginning to grasp the gravity of what I found.
Because two and a half years ago, we had this published in one of the best papers of the world, the PLUS papers.
The what paper?
Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences, which is a highly reputed scientific magazine.
It's like Nature.
And if you get in there, then it's really solid.
So they took it up into the books.
The university books.
Full chapter.
And that's not for nothing.
And that's what the new information, the new physicians and biologists need to digest as being science.
So it is science.
And it's two and a half years ago that we proved the autonomic nervous system, up till then, never been proven in scientific history to be influenced by humans.
Now, not a little bit to be influenced, being able to be influenced, big time, people enabling within a quarter of an hour to tap into the specific immune system, which normally takes five to seven days.
So, that's a big finding.
I thought, wow, now the world is going to turn the other way.
Now people are going to see we are able to do so much more with what we got already.
Apparently that's the psychology of the people and I'm finding this out.
I got in the beginning very frustrated.
Now I begin to understand this is the way it all comes top down and it takes some time.
When Galileo found out that we are not the center of the universe, but it is the sun and we are turning around, he was first almost banned from the church and almost sent us to death as a heretic.
I take these big, giant, deep breaths and I let some out and big, giant, deep breaths and I let some out and I do it for several minutes before my shows and I feel like I'm high.
We found out, first time in scientific history now, and not me, the university, doing this, doing this, say, I was worried that it got on the machinery.
For the first time in scientific history, they found out that 100% saturation or oxygen in the blood It's not really 100%.
I want to now with the universities, but it's very, you know, a very difficult, complicated matter, and everybody thinks it's not able to be questioned or researched.
And positive thinking, these positive charges, that's one.
But breathing.
And now it appears to be that 48 hours, 35% less of oxygen in a cell makes a cell cancerous.
So, I told you just now that the molecules, we can influence the engines of the cell and make much more molecules by implementing, just by breathing good.
And on the Kilimanjaro, then after I did a successful attempt in 28 hours and in shorts and everything, got to tell something about Scott Carnitune, an investigative journalist who came to get me...
Disguised as a guru and with lies and everything.
He disguised?
He's an investigative journalist, an anthropologist, and he came to Poland to see who I am for real.
He is into finding out how the organ trafficking goes and these gurus who make people do things.
On the outside, though, people do see someone like you that makes all these crazy claims and talks about love and breathing and go, oh, this guy's trying to fuck everybody's wives and make a lot of money.
But there's a lot of people, like you can understand why he would think that a lot of people who make these grand claims turn out to be, you know, there's a lot of people that can claim miracle claims and they're usually crazy, right?
And they suddenly see that they are capable of doing so much more because they begin to learn to control the acidity, that what becomes acidic in their bodies.
So the performance.
And for that, I do that.
So, he did it and together with me last January was also on Kilimanjaro.
But I see also people with arthritis who cannot do any push-up.
And I make them do 40 push-ups in one day.
Why?
Because we control the inflammatory markers in the blood, suppressing them, and suddenly they are able, and with the extra oxygen, making it alkaline, the muscle tissue keeps on throwing these acetylcholinus, the neurotransmitter, performance neurotransmitter, and they surprise themselves, astonish themselves.
There was a guy that used to have this television show way back in the day before the internet.
I remember he had this episode on where he was talking to this guy who was a trapper.
And he would live in the bush in Alaska.
And he would live there and not talk to a single person for months and months at a time.
And what he would say is that after a while, when he was out there by himself, he would develop this very bizarre feeling of telepathy with animals, and that he could read animals' minds.
He could almost predict their behavior and movements and he was getting signals from them that he couldn't describe and when he would go back to the town when he would come back after six months after a couple hours or a day or so would go away and He was like whatever that thing was and Interesting.
Could be a fucking crazy dude out there, you know, killing muskrats with a giant trap.
But I've read that they have found one thing that they're pretty sure that people can tell.
It was Rupert Sheldrake's podcast he was talking about.
He was saying that one thing that they have studied beyond statistical probability, it shows that when people are stared at, like say if I turn my back and you either would look down at your lap or look at the back of my head, that I could tell, or someone, maybe some people can tell, Whether or not you're looking at them more than half the time.
And what he believes is that when one member of the species attempts to learn something or learn something, it becomes far easier for other members of the species, even that are separated by vast distances, to learn that.
He said that occurred with rats in a very particular maze, that they would teach rats how to get through a particular maze in one part of the world, and then rats in the other part of the world navigated it much quicker.
There's some interesting stuff when it comes to that stuff.
So, yeah, I'm here to say a little bit about what we did since last year.
So, the goals now are to get it into national healthcare.
Actually, in every country.
But America is a little bit a leader therein.
And I'm beginning to become quite famous.
I use it.
I use it.
I abuse it to get my goals done, my mission done, which is bringing belief, confidence, love, but now scientifically endorsed, showing that we are able to tap into all those systems and we should actually get it in school,
in primary school to begin with, And not only learn history and geography and things like that, but now learn at a very young age how to influence into this hormonal system and immune system or say happiness, strength, health should be subjects.
I teach kids of four years old.
With arthritis, they come and they are very able to do breathing exercises, going into the cold.
Actually, children, we teach them to have coats on and therefore taking away the stimulation of the natural elements, thus decreasing the affectivity of their systems inside.
We make them sick instead of We are protecting them.
We are comforting them.
And we think that paradigm shift needs to happen.
And I'm into that.
And now it's getting together with the existing healthcare and with universities more and more.
I think we got to go back to say nature and if a mother It's able to guarantee, endorsed by scientific evidence, that we are able to tap into all these systems, guaranteeing, hey,
if you just breathe better and take a cold shower and believe, connect with your body, that you are able to tap into your health, your happiness, and your strength, then that's something that We'll bring Mother Nature back in us and the awareness there from will make this world value the nature
outside as inside.
Because we lost the connection.
And I'm now here to bring that and since last year I've progressed.
You know, things like anxiety and fear nobody knows about.
Now I do know what it is.
I know what it is biochemical and neurological.
I talk with professors.
I teach them.
They teach me their language and I teach them the method and together we get more out of it.
And now, suddenly, the barman thinks, well, because he is very peaceful, he is there, he enjoyed his beer.
Hey, he's got $100.
I think I'm going to give him back a shiny coin because he doesn't know about the significance of money.
And he gives him the shiny coin and he takes the hundred dollar bill and I don't know where he puts it because he's got no pockets, but he puts it somewhere.
He looks at it and puts it somewhere.
And then he sits there, and finally the barman got his confidence so much.
He asks him, hey, what about this?
I never ever saw a orangutan in my bar.
What is it?
And the orangutan said, do you know what kind of prices you are charging?
And that's the punchline.
The thing is, this is the way we think we can mess up and tweak our inner power.
We are strong, man.
But we always think better about who we are in the depths.
And he is there for you to enjoy life and to be there, strong as Mother Nature.
After taking a five minute breathing exercise and then no breaths and he did 72. A couple of people said they did like 40 or 50. Breathing would have helped a similar method to this, but they weren't talking about that at all.
Yeah, I have a feeling your friend might be a little full of shit.
It just doesn't As an athlete, as someone who understands the potential of the human body, you have to be extraordinary.
You have to be pretty extraordinary to do 80 push-ups on your own.
You have to be conditioned.
It's like something like just to force your muscles, depending upon how much you weigh, of course.
But if you're the average 175 pound or whatever the average man is...
Just to force yourself to do 80 push-ups, you have to be in pretty good condition to do that.
That's a lot of repetition.
You're essentially, I mean, it's not like you're bench pressing 175 pounds, but it's probably like you're bench pressing 140. Like, how much would you think it would be?
Like a push-up.
How much are you actually pushing up?
So if I weigh 200 pounds, if I'm doing a push-up, how much am I actually pushing?
Because I'm not really pushing 200 pounds because my feet are on the ground and, you know, there's some weight down there.
How much am I actually pushing?
It feels like I'm pushing about 130, 140 pounds when I do a push-up.
And I really began with these push-ups and now everybody is of course copying and I know what it that's all okay, but I like to I like research I like to investigate what we are really doing.
Yeah, here we go 49% okay regular push-up you lift 64% of your body weight whereas with the knee push-up you okay no need to push up so a regular push-up 64% of your body weight so for me it's a little over a hundred was a 110 something like that yeah 114 right 64 is that right 128 okay so that's pretty close 64%.
So I was pretty close.
I was thinking it was like 130, 140. Just double the 64. Yeah.
But you see, a situation, another situation, people go in the jeep through the safari and see the lions, about 12 of them lying there, and you go with the jeep, and then suddenly comes a Messiah kid on his bike, and all the lions see him, and they...
The thing is, I want them, you know, to create an agency with the Maasai together and then have people walk through a reserve instead of...
a car under guidance of under guidance of the Maasai under guidance of Navy SEALs armed to the tits yeah fucking missile launchers and shit yeah yeah you think so that that helps but it is something definitely helps that's the only way I'm going More important is to help the homeless.
We are into university studies right now, dealing with that.
And about the homeless, like Tony Robbins, providing like 100 million meals.
I'm going to help wherever I can, of course.
I want to do more.
There are these soup kitchens and they don't ask money for your participation and have, say, a meal.
But you can donate.
So people who are homeless, they have no money.
So they are able to eat.
And those who come there and have also a meal, they are not obliged to give money.
But they give it anyway.
And they see the idea behind it, the charity goal behind it.
And most of the times they give okay money.
And it survives.
It's okay.
It works.
Now, I want these homeless people not only to have a soup kitchen like that, but also work on the land.
And providing, say, vegetables and all that for the restaurant and distribute as well in the city.
I think this way we could, it's very making them active, not just donating and giving food, but to get them back into the infrastructure, the system, the civilization among people.
Well, if you could just get them active and give them some hope, right?
There's a lot of people that just...
Almost, I think, there's levels of...
Poverty and despair and I think for some people they're just like on the edge and maybe just a little bit of help or bring them back off the edge and Bring them back into circulation, you know, I mean yeah Many people become homeless over time and they weren't before and then it just things don't go well and I know a bunch of I have a bunch of comedian friends that lived in their cars and You know lived on people's couches and were real close to homeless but made it through and So there's various levels.
Meanwhile, the homeless person or this person who's like a backpacker or some, you know, person who's like a traveler, they might be way happier and healthier than a lot of people that you see trapped in these homes that are sitting there smoking cigarettes.
Don't you think it's maybe a little bit of our society is so competitive and that that competitive nature sort of alienates us from the other people around us?
We think of them as competitors rather than think of them as our brothers and sisters.
I think there's a...
There's a lack of clarity when it comes to the actual real amount of time that we have here.
That can truly, truly change lives because you can give a child, instead of this horrible thing where they feel terrible about themselves, you give them a reset.
We need more out-of-the-box thinking because the standard thinking of raising kids, I mean, I don't know what school's like in Holland, where you're from, but here in America, where I went to school, It was terribly confining.
You had to think a certain way.
You have to study certain things.
If you weren't interested in those things, they made you feel like a loser.
If you weren't interested in math, it was boring to you to study certain things.
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They made you feel like you were a fool and you were never going to make it.
Embracing creativity as an option for you doing something with your life.
No one ever tells you that you could be creative for a living, that you could be a sculptor, a painter, an artist, or a musician, or a stand-up comedian, or an author.
You have to work for somebody else, or start your own business and hire some people.
I mean, that is...
It's like if you look at the standard places that people go once they graduate from high school or college, it's usually to get a job.
So they push you in that direction.
There's no individual attention.
You don't feel unique.
You don't feel special.
You don't feel like you have a chance of making it outside the system.
You have to fit into the system that they're presenting to you.
These are your college courses.
These are your college options.
Your GPA is not so good, so you're going to have to go here, and that's going to suck because then your job option is going to be limited.
Or you can go to a community college and try to bring it up, and you're like, oh my god, all this fucking work, and then I'm going to take a job that's going to suck, and it's just soul-sucking for me.
I mean, for some people, those options seem like a wonderful idea.
But creativity, expressing your being, makes the world so beautiful, actually, and now it's becoming like a grey area, feeding a system, and nobody knows how to stop this.
This system needs to turn around and begin to look, how can we serve your happiness, strength and health?
Because strong, healthy and happy people will make up a great system.
We have gone too far.
Now we need to come back into self-awareness.
And we are proving this.
Simply that we are able to do so much more therein.
Well, I think there's just a lot of momentum that's...
That is attached to our education system and to our job options once we graduate from school.
And this momentum is very difficult to someone to step away from because most of the time, by the time someone graduates from college, you're already in debt.
And you have to make money in order to pay that debt off, and so you immediately go right into the workforce, and then you're tired after working all day, and most people find it very difficult to find a way to break free and to pursue their real dreams, whatever they are, you know, songwriting, being an author, being Wim Hof.
So, and say mountaineering instructor or going into mountain guide, mountain guiding, canyoning, all those things, postman, working in a harbor, you know, ships, unloading ships, harbor.
Many things.
Wherever I could lay my hands, because I didn't finish any schooling.
I'm a self-made man.
I speak many languages, but I all taught them myself and learned a lot about philosophy.
Like from 17 years on, I began to go into the cold.
Being inspired by anthropologists who went into Tibet and talked about the Gudumo discipline, the Buddhist, the esoteric disciplines of Buddhism and what they call Siddhis within the yoga and all those.
It made a psychic imprint, and later in my life I began to look into that.
And, you know, the first time I went into this cold water, I had this connection with that trauma.
Because no other way gave me this connection with this deep trauma.
And I didn't know where it was, who inflicted it or my mother told me later.
And then it made sense to me.
Oh, that's why.
That's why I like it in the cold and because I was born in the cold, almost suffocated.
That's why I do these breathing exercises and feel good.
Finally, I'm able to tap into that traumatic imprint and change the chemistry at will, controlled.
And then I found out I was able to do so much more because now I was able to do it consciously.
And from there, I got into the television, then I got into the science, and it appears to be that I found also a way to tap into what we call, say, trauma, PTSD, emotion, fear, depression, and not only that, autoimmune diseases, possibly cancer.
We still got to find out, of course, but I think nature's got the solutions for us.
But we need to go back into nature.
And the nature is all inside.
We all got the faculties, the abilities to wake them up and to bring them within our control.
And now we have shown that scientifically, within a couple of days, you are able to tap into all those systems.
Chemical deregulation, biochemical deregulation up till the DNA. Bam.
So epigenetical, not only genetically, but during the life, you talk about epigenetics, we are able to influence into the genome structure of the DNA, but with the existence, smog, stress, Negative thoughts and radiation of things.
I don't know.
We mess up the chemistry.
We are dealing with chemistry and we eat food which is not really food anymore.
Our systems are able to do with natural food.
A natural tribal being, like taking care of each other, brothers and sisters, like tribal.
That's the way.
And what we do now is competition, creating a whole lot of stress, uncontrolled, getting on us all the time.
Why?
To serve a system instead of Happiness, strength and health.
It's not being served anymore.
Everybody running behind a deadline.
And on top of that, we get food which is masked with.
We create a lot of difficulties for our physiology that works back on our brain because it's a piece of meat inside and it's just working on biochemics and we are messing with that.
So what I found in nature is It's actually a shortcut to learn to cleanse all the pollution, creating a wrong chemistry, creating deregulation of the DNA, and causing the body not to be able to deal with, say, disease, sickness, and depression, and all these things.
I used to sit as an exercise on the middle of the square, one of the most trafficked squares of a big city in the Netherlands, which is Amsterdam, and just meditate on the square.
You really are able to distance there from and witness how it works on your systems, your nervous system.
And the nervous system then is able to deal with that.
You become so tranquil.
And the more it tries to get to you, these are also exercises of yogis.
They sit with four fires around them, or in the cold, what I also did and all that.
The extremes are, it's extremely Great!
The feeling which derives if we just witness and let go, interfering in the systems, working with the impact of what is going on, which could be stress in any way.
It's all about love, and it was very lovable to be here.
I feel no stress whatsoever.
I did my shit, but there's a whole lot more coming.
But I think the gist of it...
has been discussed has been gotten out and it is life so so interesting so beautiful I thank you for you being a big window for so many and I thank you for being a part of it it means a lot to me to have you come back on it means a lot to me to be able to To share a lot of your ideas with the world and give you a platform.
I try to express to people that these shows would not be possible if people weren't listening.
I wouldn't do them.
Nobody would be willing to.
It's kind of an interesting thing about podcasts because I couldn't just get you to come here and just sit and talk to me and nobody else would hear for hours and hours.
The actual mechanism of doing a podcast, the act of doing a podcast allows me to To listen to these people like you and all these other interesting people that I'm so lucky to get to talk to.
So I benefit from it tremendously, but it wouldn't exist without other people listening.
So the fact that people are listening is what makes me have these things in the first place.
Like we'll do one episode of my podcast and we'll do one episode of Duncan's, one episode of Chris's, and we just sort of rotate back and forth between each other when Chris is in town.
But Chris was living in Barcelona for a little bit, but now he's back.
Well, his podcast, for people who want to listen, it's called Tangentially Speaking, and it's available on iTunes, and it's available on, is it chrisryan.com?