Oct. 20, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Oh shit, I put it in airplane mode, okay. | ||
| So, God is dead. | ||
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He is. | |
| No, he is. | ||
| Why did you say that? | ||
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He is. | |
| What about a bunch of people that had a birthday cake for God? | ||
| They're like, well, what the fuck do I do with this now? | ||
| And it's infinity candles. | ||
| Do you know how fucking badass Nietzsche felt when he said that for the first time, where he was like, God is dead, when it meant something? | ||
| Like, now you say it, and people are like, whatever. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| But, like, that... | ||
| It was like a nuclear bomb going off. | ||
| The declaration. | ||
| God is dead. | ||
| Do you not understand? | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| When did Nietzsche write that? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Must have been the 1900s or so. | ||
| I don't know when he was Nietzsche was around. | ||
| He's in my Carl Jung pile. | ||
| Well, I'm always like one day I'm gonna really get into his work. | ||
| Oh man, he's a he's good cuz he gets into your fucking head man because he like Carl Jung will get in your head, but it's more subtle whereas like Nietzsche like you're reading you ever read any Philip K Dick? | ||
| Yes So you know how like you're getting on top of 1882. Wow. | ||
| With Philip K. Dick, he was kind of crazy, but he was a genius. | ||
| So when you read his fiction, it's like you stop reading it and you feel a little crazy for a second because something about the way he's writing just isn't normal. | ||
| There's something off, man. | ||
| Nietzsche, it's the same way. | ||
| It's like when you stop reading him, you're gonna like spend the next few days like, fuck. | ||
| Or like Burroughs. | ||
| Yeah, same thing. | ||
| Outsider artists, kind of. | ||
| Yeah, I remember reading some of Burroughs' stuff and thinking like, I might get high just reading this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like Naked Lunch? | ||
| That was him, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Terrence McKenna, the same thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You just start tripping when you start reading his writing. | ||
| Like, you just start tripping. | ||
| God, I wish I could write like that, man. | ||
| You could. | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| Well, I mean, you would have to spend a lot of time writing. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the only thing that's holding you back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is the amount of time that you would have to spend writing. | ||
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And reading. | |
| You would love it. | ||
| You would enjoy it. | ||
| You know, McKenna had some fascinating books. | ||
| Food of the Gods. | ||
| He had some crazy fucking theories that he pitched that I've seen scientists, especially the doubling of the human brain size one, that was a really fascinating theory that he had. | ||
| He connected it. | ||
| See, I'm not sure if he was right in terms of the climatological data, but his contention, for those of you who are aware of it, was that monkeys had come down from the trees and they experimented with new food sources, and they started flipping over cow patties to get to bugs, because that's what they do. | ||
| And along the line, they discovered psilocybin mushrooms. | ||
| And he thinks that the grasslands, the rainforest becoming grasslands, The changing climate led to these chimps, these monkeys, whatever our ancestors were, led to them becoming more experimental. | ||
| And that could be coincided with a bunch of different things that they know about mushrooms, or it could be sort of confirmed with a bunch of different things. | ||
| One with that mushrooms increase visual acuity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they've shown this in actual tests with real scientists who are experimenting with it. | ||
| Who was the other guy? | ||
| There was one German guy, a straight guy, too, that experimented with this. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I'm trying to remember his name, but he had a really funny line. | ||
| What do you mean the straight guy? | ||
| Straight guy meaning he wasn't a drug guy. | ||
| He wasn't a drug culture guy. | ||
| I don't mean straight like homosexual, heterosexual. | ||
| I mean like he wasn't like Timothy Leary or McKenna or you know, any of these guys are like clear proponents of psychedelics. | ||
| He was just Yeah, I can remember. | ||
| Yeah, it's Visual acuity in the periphery, right? | ||
| So it's like expanding your peripheral vision by a tiny, tiny little bit. | ||
| Yeah, I don't even know if the test pertained to periphery only. | ||
| It might have been peripherally as well because I do remember that one specific task, that one specific thing where they were trying to figure out How quickly you could recognize when an angle's changed and you could do it quicker when you were high. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so there's that and then there's the horniness. | ||
| Mushrooms are known to make people horny, so that happens. | ||
| Yes, they are known for that. | ||
| The creativity aspect of it, there's that, you know, like the tapping into alternative ways of thinking and that would lead to a lot of innovation and And it's also possible that... | ||
| It's really possible that psilocybin, in some ways, is a nutrient. | ||
| I mean, it's also... | ||
| It's an intoxicant, for sure. | ||
| It's a hallucinogenic, whatever that means. | ||
| But it might be a nutrient, too. | ||
| It's entirely possible that this increase in visual acuity and this... | ||
| that it gives you in this connection to nature and this intense creativity, like you're tapping into a river of ideas and like scooping out buckets of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like all that might also, it almost, it might be something that when you're consuming, it's actually beneficial to the body or beneficial to your brain. | ||
| But if it's having all those crazy positive effects on the brain, it might have like a beneficial long-term effect in the brain. | ||
| And they've been doing these studies on neurons, on repairing neurons and psilocybin. | ||
| And psilocybin's role in repairing brain disease or brain issues, brain trauma. | ||
| Might not have been neurons. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| The most recent studies with psilocybin and brain damage. | ||
| And they think it might, in some ways, be able to repair brain damage. | ||
| Well, if that's the case, what if these monkeys were just eating them all the time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And their brains just grew. | ||
| I mean, what if McKenna was right? | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, I think it is pretty safe, a safe bet that monkeys, or what, I mean, monkey isn't the right word, proto-hominids, right, who are wandering the plains are gonna like, if we're omnivores, we're definitely gonna be eating whatever we can find that gives us nutrition, that has nutritional value, especially if you're out in the hunt, you're hungry, the thing you're hunting, shitting, food is growing out of its shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't even think they were hunting then. | ||
| I don't think they could hunt something that big. | ||
| I don't think they had weapons. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I think what they were doing was they were gathering. | ||
| They were eating a lot of bugs. | ||
| We were insectivores. | ||
| I thought his idea was that there's climate change. | ||
| And so we start moving into the grasslands and then we're hunting bovine animals. | ||
| No, I don't think that was the contention. | ||
| I think the contention was flipping over the cow patties. | ||
| I thought it was that because the thing that you're hunting is going to be shitting things that grow mushrooms. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think it was way later when they started doing that. | ||
| Here's a study that Jamie pulled up. | ||
| It says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells. | ||
| Psychedelic mushrooms have already had a reputation for helping people open their minds and broaden their perspectives in the world Some have shown the ability to combat mental disorders like depression anxiety and now research is showing that magic mushrooms can actually Help physically rebuild a damaged brain. | ||
| Well if that's the case If it's a case that it can physically help rebuild a damaged brain maybe over long-term consumption It can actually make a brain grow I think, I'm almost positive that McKenna's idea was not that they were hunting these things, but they were flipping over cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and worms and stuff. | ||
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Makes sense, sure. | |
| Because I think we're talking about like really small ancient hominids. | ||
| I don't think we really hunted until we figured out tools. | ||
| I mean, not like large scale, like large animal type hunting. | ||
| So that was, I think that was way later than the human brain size growing. | ||
| Like when they, when they developed like the atlatl, you ever seen someone use that? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's the precursor to the bow and arrow. | ||
| Before the bow and arrow, they figured out a thing called an atlatl. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's crazy. | ||
| It's got a handle on it, and you put a spear in it. | ||
| And you launch the spear with a handle. | ||
| Like, almost like it's a crazy lacrosse ball. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| See it there? | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| There's guys that make them, and there's videos, Jamie. | ||
| You can see a guy that made his own and used it. | ||
| There's a bunch of them, actually. | ||
| But, you know, people take those things and they throw them at targets. | ||
| And they're not very accurate. | ||
| I mean, they're okay accurate in comparison to, like... | ||
| I guess if you were, you know, you weren't skilled and you tried to hit it with a rock, I mean, it's probably more accurate than that. | ||
| And if you could sneak up on an animal, you could probably get some good penetration. | ||
| They probably got really good at it eventually. | ||
| But that was the first of many weapons that could launch things through the air that they figured out. | ||
| Have you seen that weird ritual that chimpanzees are doing where they throw rocks at a tree? | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| Well, they don't know. | ||
| It's the idea that they're developing their own weird culture, their own superstition or something. | ||
| They just feel like they're doing something. | ||
| I mean, we don't understand what it is, but it's a thing where you're throwing rocks at trees. | ||
| And then there's all these rocks that are kind of laying around certain trees because chimps have decided to just start lobbing rocks at them. | ||
| And they're saying, is this some emerging chimpanzee religion or culture? | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, it's very weird, man. | ||
| Like, what are they doing? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Do you know that they have... | ||
| It's sort of been agreed upon by a lot of the people that study these animals that they're entering into the Stone Age. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, this is the actual, like... | ||
| When they're talking about chimpanzees and they're looking at their growth and they're learning, they're thinking they're in a new place now. | ||
| They're thinking they're starting to use tools, they're starting to use stones, and other great apes are using tools as well. | ||
| We knew that they would get... | ||
| Not we, like you and I are out there doing research. | ||
| As we predicted. | ||
| As we predicted, Duncan. | ||
| You know, we always knew they used sticks to get like termites and stuff. | ||
| But now they're figuring out a way to do all kinds of crazy shit. | ||
| Have you ever seen the one orangutan that figured out how to spearfish? | ||
| Yeah, I did see that shit. | ||
| That fucking picture of him hanging over the river with a spear in his hand? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| To me what's really particularly interesting is that as our society and our species is moving into some new era, as we're moving into some God knows what the fuck it is, These guys are too. | ||
| Yeah, they are too. | ||
| It's like they're moving for them that state of the art. | ||
| You're looking at goddamn Elon Musk right there. | ||
| That's the Elon Musk of orangutans right there. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| Look at him! | ||
| He's like fucking using that thing to get fish. | ||
| He's a genius. | ||
| That's a genius. | ||
| Like in the same way that like we have people sending things to Mars. | ||
| But it's funny that the two are coinciding. | ||
| Like it's funny that it appears. | ||
| Now I don't know how long this has been going on, but it's like, it seems like this sort of trickle in of stories of monkeys suddenly doing things like this. | ||
| It could be related to just more people researching and getting more data that's always been there. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Is that a different one, Jamie, or the same orangutan? | ||
| It's the same guy? | ||
| Oh, there's a whole video of him doing it? | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| Funny orangutan fishing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Haha, it's just funny. | ||
| You're a leap forward in evolutionary history. | ||
| It's funny to us, you hairy thing. | ||
| So we're looking at him, sitting there, hanging on this rock, looking over at this little puddle that they have fish in. | ||
| It's obviously set up. | ||
| So I think they probably taught him how to do this. | ||
| He's not fishing in the wild. | ||
| It's almost like he's getting groceries. | ||
| It seems like a very small little... | ||
| Like a puddle with fish in it, you know? | ||
| Like they just taught him how to do it. | ||
| They're kind of cheating. | ||
| Yeah, that's cheating. | ||
| The other orangutan was doing it hanging over a flowing river. | ||
| Like he was really figuring it out as he was going along. | ||
| Yeah, what's this guy doing? | ||
| He's like fucking picking at ropes. | ||
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Yeah, I mean this is a puddle, right? | |
| It seems like this is something they did for science. | ||
| They figured out a way to teach them how to stab those fish. | ||
| If you just teach them that that's where the fish are and you can get it with a stick, that's not as impressive. | ||
| You can teach a dog to do that. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think I've seen birds... | ||
| I think it's birds that use... | ||
| There's some video of a bird putting bait down and then catching something with it. | ||
| Other creatures use bait to fish. | ||
| There are other species that do it. | ||
| I've seen that, too. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen birds do it. | ||
| Don't orcas do it, too? | ||
| Haven't orcas done it? | ||
| I didn't know they used bait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why do I feel like orcas have done it, too? | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Look at that smart guy. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah, it's really interesting, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just sits there and waits. | ||
| He waits for the fish to come near the bread. | ||
| He's like baiting. | ||
| Like how did he figure it out? | ||
| Did he see something do it or did he like innovate this himself? | ||
| It's a real good question. | ||
| Who taught him that? | ||
| And this isn't even like one of the most clever birds, right? | ||
| Like ravens. | ||
| Ravens are the most clever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got to get his bread. | ||
| It goes too far away. | ||
| See, it gets away and he's like, nah, bitch. | ||
| Nobody rides for free. | ||
| I'm bringing my bread back. | ||
| We keep it right there. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They tried to move away with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got too far away. | ||
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He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bitch. | |
| Stay right here. | ||
| You've seen, I'm sure, the, oh look at that, just snatched that fish. | ||
| That fish is like, what in the fuck just happened? | ||
| The thing about it is, it snatched it up, and here's the thing, that bird is not that much bigger than that fish. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it did it like it was nothing. | ||
| That's how creepy birds are. | ||
| Look, he snacked them, and just walked away with it like, no big deal. | ||
| It's like you having like a small puppy in your hands. | ||
| That's how he walked away with it. | ||
| I mean bigger than a puppy. | ||
| Like that thing's bigger than his head. | ||
| That's like a full-size dog. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| But I'm saying like the way he held it was the way you would hold a puppy. | ||
| Like you'd have no problem walking with a puppy. | ||
| Very light. | ||
| But that thing is, you know, probably 25% of its body weight. | ||
| Like he's mostly feathers, right? | ||
| Take away all of his feathers. | ||
| That fish might be, at the very least, might be like, you know, 15% of its body weight. | ||
| Yeah, have you ever heard the idea of like, you know, like we smack an ant or something, you smash an ant, and that ant has no idea. | ||
| There's no way that ant could possibly comprehend what has happened to it. | ||
| Or when you have a line of ants going into your sink or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That line of ants, they can't comprehend what you are. | ||
| Like, you walk by the line of ants, they have some instinct, maybe, to run away from you. | ||
| A lot of times they don't even run away from you. | ||
| You turn the sink on, kill like 30 of them in a second, but they don't, they can't, whatever way they used to think, they can't process it, right? | ||
| So death to that ant. | ||
| It's going to be processing its extinction in some way that we can't even understand, right? | ||
| So there's this idea, my friend was telling me that in the same way when a human dies, what we process is like, oh yeah, he got in a car accident, man. | ||
| What really happened was some kind of like hyperdimensional event that we can only see one tiny piece of that looks like a car accident. | ||
| The way our minds process the thing being wiped out Off the face of this dimension is by like, oh, car wreck, car wreck. | ||
| But really, there's like all these other levels involved. | ||
| So it's like maybe some hyper-dimensional entity just squashed your friend. | ||
| And the way it manifested is like, oh, a car wreck. | ||
| It was a car wreck. | ||
| But really, no. | ||
| That's just the way our brains process that event from where we're at currently in our ability to comprehend reality. | ||
| People who listen to this are going, does that mean I can text and drive? | ||
| Texting and driving is easy. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| No, when they see you doing that, they smash you. | ||
| Maybe it's just an accident. | ||
| What? | ||
| Death? | ||
| No, maybe the accidents are just accidents. | ||
| Maybe it's not a hyper-dimensional being putting a squish down on you. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Looks like things are not like that, man. | ||
| But we don't... | ||
| I mean, really, we don't know. | ||
| But the same way these chimps are doing these things that to us seem pretty cute, really. | ||
| Like, cute. | ||
| In the same way, like... | ||
| You know, there's this idea that we're going to sort of... | ||
| God, I wish I could remember who explained this. | ||
| It's like, okay, human existence up until the point of flight was completely based on, like, you would climb a mountain and then you could see the ground like you're from an airplane. | ||
| That's pretty much it. | ||
| Climb up a tree, I guess. | ||
| You get some altitude. | ||
| You can see this whole new perspective on what things look like from a high place. | ||
| But you certainly couldn't get the perspective of flying through the air and looking down at all this stuff that formerly in front of you is like looming over you. | ||
| It's like when I... You know, I have two little dogs. | ||
| Adorable, adorable little babies. | ||
| But you pick them up, and like, for you it's no big deal, but for that dog, it's seeing what's on top of the fucking counters, man. | ||
| It's like, doesn't see that usually. | ||
| It's looking up at everything. | ||
| So it transforms its reality a little bit. | ||
| So flight transformed human reality in this intense way. | ||
| And now the satellites floating around our planet have transformed it even more. | ||
| Because we see, oh shit, yeah, we're on a planet. | ||
| It's a ball that we're floating around, or a flat Earth, or whatever. | ||
| So in the same way, the next sort of liftoff is to somehow rise above the time-space continuum, so that time itself becomes an object instead of a thing that we're stuck inside of. | ||
| That's like the next big liftoff, and that there are already things that are See time as an object instead of as a river that we're currently being rolled around in and For them we look totally different. | ||
| So that's like the next that's what like maybe McKenna was talking about the idea of the time machine or the singularity or whatever is that like once we figure that I know that There's never gonna be a fucking time. | ||
| I know it's insane, but theoretically it's possible. | ||
| You know, people do say it. | ||
| It could be possible. | ||
| Like, there's no, necessarily, there is no reason for us to be stuck in the current way that we are. | ||
| At least that's from the fucking documentary I saw when I was super stoned four years ago. | ||
| Like, they were saying you could use, like, the power of a star or something to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm trying to remember who, what German mathematician... | ||
| It was like a German mathematician that theorized about the time machine. | ||
| That the time machine would have to be... | ||
| I want to say the machine would have to be as big as the solar system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would have to be spinning at the speed of light and transverse its axis or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Yeah, something like that insane. | ||
| But it's not... | ||
| I mean, obviously for where we're at right now, this isn't a feasible option. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| If it's possible, and we exist in an infinite universe, then why wouldn't things have potentially figured out a way to get beyond the time-space continuum? | ||
| So we're looking for aliens inside of time and space. | ||
| But maybe there's the thing that we're looking for. | ||
| We don't even have the technology to scan outside of past, present, and future, because that's what we're in right now. | ||
| These things are way outside of our understanding of what Of what this even is. | ||
| We can't even fucking see them. | ||
| Like, the ants can't see us. | ||
| Like, we can't even see them. | ||
| We couldn't talk to them. | ||
| An ant can't talk to you. | ||
| You know, I saved a bee from my swimming pool, and I swear to God, it seemed like it was thanking me. | ||
| Like, I pulled it out. | ||
| How high were you on a 1 to 10? | ||
| When am I not high? | ||
| Is the question. | ||
| But I pulled the bumblebee out and I put it down. | ||
| I was watching it. | ||
| It's really cool, you know? | ||
| It dried itself off. | ||
| It went through this whole thing. | ||
| It's like watching a dog dry itself off. | ||
| And then it did this cool little, I swear, it was like a little dance in front of me. | ||
| This weird little, cool little bobbing dance thing and then flew away. | ||
| I'm like, did that fucking bee just like... | ||
| Thank me or like was that like some form of attempting to communicate with me? | ||
| I mean bees certainly communicate with each other. | ||
| There is communication among insects and I don't know if they're aware that we exist, but if they talk to each other, isn't it possible they might try to talk to us? | ||
| Did I ever tell you about the time on Fear Factor where the bees communicated with local bees? | ||
| Did I tell you that? | ||
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No. | |
| I didn't tell you that? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is a fascinating moment because there was a guy who was a beekeeper and what he was doing is he was at the Sagebrush... | ||
| Sagebrush Ranch? | ||
| No. | ||
| I forget the name of the ranch, but it just burnt down in Santa Clarita. | ||
| It's this big ranch that used to film TV shows out there. | ||
| They attached them to this rope, and then they made them stand connected to this pole, and they covered them with bees. | ||
| They covered them from head to toe with bees. | ||
| And they had to stand there for a certain amount of time. | ||
| Some people didn't get stung at all. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| Some people got stung. | ||
| I got stung just for being around them. | ||
| But this guy really knew how to take care of these bees. | ||
| I was covered in bees at one point in time. | ||
| And you just stay calm, and he eventually blows them off you with smoke and shit. | ||
| Anyway, while they're doing this, he's a beekeeper, so he's got his own hive. | ||
| This local group of bees came over and they met in the sky above us. | ||
| And all of his bees went up to talk to all those bees. | ||
| And he said, we got to get out of here. | ||
| We have to stand back and let them work this out. | ||
| We have to stop filming. | ||
| We stand back and let us work this out. | ||
| So it was me and my friend David Hurwitz, who was the producer of the show. | ||
| We were looking at each other like, they're going to talk it out? | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| And we're sitting there watching these bees above us. | ||
| Just getting together, and they were literally trying to sort out who these newbies were, what their plans were. | ||
| How'd you get on Fear Factor, man? | ||
| Can you get me on that show? | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| Was it SAG? Are you in SAG? That's crazy, dude. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it was really interesting. | ||
| And it lasted for about half an hour, if I remember correctly. | ||
| They talked it out for half an hour, and then the other bees went their separate way. | ||
| And then everybody figured out... | ||
| Everybody knew where everybody belonged. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like those tiny little itsy-bitsy pinhead brains had decided these are not their friends. | ||
| These are their friends. | ||
| This is where they belong. | ||
| They're in this traveling hive of... | ||
| For some reason is in the middle of Santa Clarita right now. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| I mean all the levels of communication happening around us at any given moment are it's astounding we can't deal with it like it's just too much to handle So we sort of get focused on our own little lives as human beings or whatever but fuck man There's a lot more going on. | ||
| I mean just that yeah, you know that if that's happening with bees There's then it's probably happening with everything And so then we're in this, like, and we talk about this a lot, but that means we really are in a matrix of intelligence and we've just decided to focus on this one the way that we're doing it right now, you know, which is a pretty, uh, it's sad in a weird way because we do, you do cut out, you cut yourself out of a whole other, uh, community. | ||
| That's one of the things I like about, like, the Native American mythology is that they, uh, You know, it seems like they had less of a distinction between humans and animals. | ||
| It was like, these are our brothers, too. | ||
| I'm confused with what you're saying by you're cutting yourself out of a community? | ||
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| So it's like, okay, like, let's just take it from the human level. | ||
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| A lot of people, they don't even mean to be, but they're snobs, right? | ||
| Human snobs? | ||
| Human snobs, right? | ||
| So a human snob... | ||
| Is exclusive, right? | ||
| So they have this exclusive relationship with the world where they allow into their periphery or in their circle of friends. | ||
| I'm letting you into my circle of friends. | ||
| So I have this, like, tight circle of friends. | ||
| And then other people, based on whatever their particular metric is for determining who they want around them, you know, shit snobs are the ones who happen. | ||
| You know those people who happen to... | ||
| Only be friends with successful people it's like they're only friends with like like celebrities and they're only for like weird that a weird coincidence how did that happen holy shit I don't understand how that happened you know so there's that which is like for them they want to interact in this particular like part of the societal ecosystem Which means they're excluding, excluding, excluding, excluding all these other fucking people, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the moment you stop, you start experimenting with not excluding people as much as you can, this doesn't mean you let annoying people around or people who don't have the good intentions with you around or whatever. | ||
| You sound like you're giving advice to stuck-up Hollywood elites. | ||
| No, I'm giving advice. | ||
| It's not just in Hollywood. | ||
| It's like the elites in general. | ||
| There's actually some book I heard about. | ||
| I didn't read it. | ||
| It's a really cool idea, though, which is like the Galapagos Islands. | ||
| Here we have these beings that have evolved in a certain way because they're completely separated from everything else. | ||
| It's fascinating to see. | ||
| So in the same way, there's a kind of economic Galapagos that happens with wealthy people, which is that they only get around each other, and so they start mating within their own circles, and And they start exchanging only information that wealthy people have. | ||
| And so this creates a kind of hybrid, a weird new form of human being, which is the elite wealthy class. | ||
| Not a new idea. | ||
| The kings and queens would only like fuck within bloodlines and stuff. | ||
| It's an intentional form of like wealth eugenics or something. | ||
| But anyway, what ends up happening when you're doing that is you end up cutting off all these other Forms of information that come in. | ||
| And then also you start living according to a pretty ridiculous fucking idea, which is that all these other people, whatever they're doing, whoever they are, whatever it is, you know, that's just not really worth it. | ||
| Like, what does that person really have to tell me that I need to hear? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Or is it that they feel like they can get along with those other people because the other people are going to understand them? | ||
| Because people do find like-minded groups of people and hang out together. | ||
| And if you're like some super wealthy Rothschild guy and you become friends with some weirdo painter dude, I mean, how much do you guys have in common? | ||
| You have so much in common. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Fuck yeah, you do, man. | ||
| You have the human condition. | ||
| You have the gravity. | ||
| You're both dealing with a gravitational field. | ||
| You're both in a fucking body that's goddamn melting down with the progression of time. | ||
| You're probably going to have to... | ||
| Both of you are going to have to bury your mom. | ||
| You're going to have to bury your dad. | ||
| You're both... | ||
| There's so many... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a lot of things you have in common, but... | ||
| They would have to completely open their mind up to accept all these things. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You have to change the way a person thinks, and you have to change, in essence, who they are, right? | ||
| And some people just don't have any desire to do that. | ||
| Well, there's the problem. | ||
| And what's even worse is when that kind of idea is encouraged, when that's looked at as like, oh, this is just a totally normal way to be. | ||
| Country club. | ||
| Uptown girl. | ||
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She's been living in an uptown world. | |
| I bet you never had a backstreet guy. | ||
| Yeah, that shit, man. | ||
| So that exclusivity, even from a human perspective, cuts you off to a lot of data. | ||
| Admittedly, some of that data is probably going to suck. | ||
| But a lot of the data is gonna be really fucking good information that can make your life better. | ||
| Stuff's gonna come to you that you would never expect when you reduce your exclusivity. | ||
| So, in that same way, humans as a species are exclusive. | ||
| We place ourselves as the top of the food chain, human beings, and underneath us is all this incredible biomass filled with all these other forms of life that we have managed, many people have managed to reduce to being some kind of meat machines. | ||
| Or vegetable. | ||
| Or vegetable, exactly. | ||
| Or plant life, or whatever it is. | ||
| It's all life. | ||
| It's all life. | ||
| And anytime you start talking about like, I'm not positive about this, but I feel like I can communicate with this plant in some way. | ||
| Like when I'm watering my plants, I swear to God, man, some little piece of me is like, I think they know I'm watering them. | ||
| Like, I think there's an awareness here. | ||
| I don't know if it's real either, but it does feel interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been in grow rooms before. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And grow rooms, it's like you walked into a room full of happy aliens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really what it's like. | ||
| It's like, hi! | ||
| Like, hey, how you guys doing? | ||
| It really feels like you're saying hi to all these plants. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| It might be 100% bullshit. | ||
| It might be 100% in my imagination. | ||
| I might have concocted it out of thin air. | ||
| But going back to what you were saying earlier about ants, And the system that ants live under and bees, how these bees can communicate with each other through pheromones and some other way. | ||
| I mean, I don't know exactly how they're sorting out who's who and which clan belongs in what part of the woods or, you know, who the fuck knows. | ||
| But... | ||
| The thing that we know about human beings is that there are signals that are around us constantly that we can't detect. | ||
| Wi-Fi and radio and television and satellite. | ||
| All that stuff is broadcasting around us, through the air around us constantly, and we can't detect it. | ||
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Right. | |
| And we also know that all throughout nature are these animals that are blind, there's animals that can't see, there's worms, there's all sorts of things that have no idea you're there, no idea that you're watching television, and there's no idea that you're about to get in your car. | ||
| They don't even know what the fuck a car is because they don't have the senses to detect it. | ||
| Why would we assume that we hit the fucking bonanza with the senses and we've got it all down? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's ridiculous, right? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| There's probably, like, I mean, I don't know what those quantum physicists guys are up to. | ||
| I think, didn't they say they were up to like, they believe there's more than 30 different dimensions now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They used to think it was 11, and now there's some schools of thought that it's like 30 dimensions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| It could be infinite. | ||
| But the point is, these could be worlds that are in our midst. | ||
| They're just in a non-physical sense. | ||
| The same way ideas are non-physical, the same way imagination is non-physical, the same way certain forms of communication. | ||
| You're just saying something to someone, right? | ||
| I'm looking at you, I'm telling you I love you and you're my friend. | ||
| It's a non-physical thing, but it gives you a physical reaction like, Oh, thanks, man. | ||
| I love you, too. | ||
| I'm glad we're friends. | ||
| That's some sort of weird non-physical energy exchange. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's not just as simple as, you know, oh, two people showing affection for each other, two friends showing each other love. | ||
| There's something else going on, too. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, there's an energy exchange. | ||
| There's both people get happy. | ||
| When I tell someone I love them, I get happy, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get happy. | ||
| Everybody boosts up. | ||
| It's like a very underrated thing, telling your friends that you love them. | ||
| Yeah, oh, it's shocking. | ||
| Like, you're not even supposed to do it. | ||
| But, like, again, because we live, this is, I mean, so much of what we live in is, like, very advanced, but so much of it is, like, ridiculously barbaric and primitive. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That to tell your friend you love them can be a shocking moment. | ||
| Ari Shaffir still stammers. | ||
| It's so weird! | ||
| I go, all right, I love you, dude. | ||
| He goes, yeah, I love you, too. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
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Ha ha ha! | |
| Joey Diaz, you know I love you, dog. | ||
| Joey's like the most loving guy of all time. | ||
| Eddie Bravo's a very loving guy. | ||
| We know a lot of loving people. | ||
| Schaub's loving. | ||
| I think we are love. | ||
| And the thing that I've been thinking lately, or just playing around this idea, is like, what if... | ||
| I have all these different versions of it, and I don't quite know the right way to get it out. | ||
| So imagine like... | ||
| And directly behind you is a window that opens up into a universe where everything's made of love, right? | ||
| And you're standing in front of the window blocking that light, right? | ||
| You're standing in front of the window. | ||
| And so like the human condition, again, this is just a thought experiment and admittedly a very high thought experiment that I had, but I can't get it out of my head. | ||
| And I've heard Ram Dass give different versions of this too. | ||
| So the idea is like, here's this window opening up into this alternate I don't even want to call it an alternate universe. | ||
| The actual universe. | ||
| I guess it's kind of like Plato's allegory of the cave too, but you're standing in front of this fucking window, blocking the love. | ||
| Your ego is, right? | ||
| Your ego is. | ||
| And so, the more... | ||
| The more opaque your ego becomes, the more you allow yourself to become less and less of a thing stuck to anything at all, the more the light from that universe shines into this one, right? | ||
| So when you're with someone who's like, I love you! | ||
| I really love you! | ||
| They've gotten over their ego enough To let the light from that window, they've kind of managed to let that light shine through them for a second into this dimension, which is why it's so shocking. | ||
| And maybe why babies are so entrancing, because there's no ego there. | ||
| They're just a pure... | ||
| Blast of love or dogs in the same way or cats or like anything that loves you is so incredible because what they actually are are like Windows or portals into their reality of what our universe is which is love and so if you're blocking the window then that means that like You're mostly living in a world of shadows like a person who's like very egotistical Is like living in a shadowy world dude, | ||
| you spent way too much time at Burning Man You fried your brain. | ||
| I didn't spend enough time. | ||
| You fried your brain. | ||
| You're talking windows, love, letting things through. | ||
| Let it in, man. | ||
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Let it in. | |
| Let it in. | ||
| When are you starting your cult? | ||
| Can I join? | ||
| I want to join yours. | ||
| Can we join each other's? | ||
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Oh. | |
| I was just thinking when you were talking about dimensions, is that an egotistical point of view that we have, that there's a portal to another dimension? | ||
| And is it really just that these dimensions are constantly around us, we just don't have the ability to access them? | ||
| They're there all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's, like, legitimately why no one... | ||
| Like, the Fermi Paradox, you know the Fermi Paradox? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Which is, um, if there's so many stars and so many planets, where are there all the aliens? | ||
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Right. | |
| Where's the fucking aliens? | ||
| Um, maybe they don't... | ||
| Maybe they get so smart that they never do that. | ||
| Like, maybe no one does that. | ||
| Maybe we're, like, in this rudimentary thing. | ||
| Like, these stupid fucks are still... | ||
| They're still making metal dicks and trying to fuck the sky. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're shooting rockets up into space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're landing people. | ||
| They're still doing it that way. | ||
| They lack the ability to transcend space and time and to just pass through other dimensions. | ||
| It's like as a species, we're like a crazy person in a bus station staring at his hand and being like, where are the aliens? | ||
| I don't see the aliens in my hand. | ||
| When it's like all he has to do is look up and he's surrounded by it. | ||
| You know the ultimate mindfuck when it comes to the time travel, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| The ultimate mindfuck when it comes to time travel is that one day they are going to have a time machine. | ||
| And it's probably likely. | ||
| It might take 100,000 years. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| How long? | ||
| Think about when was the first tool? | ||
| Like, what was it? | ||
| A couple hundred thousand years ago? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it was. | ||
| I think the first tools were somewhere around... | ||
| I have to look at my calendar. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| So, from the first tool to now, a couple hundred thousand years, I think, from now to a time machine, if we stay alive, if we don't blow ourselves up, we don't get hit by an asteroid, if we keep improving, they're gonna figure it out. | ||
| And the day they figure it out, what becomes crazy is, then... | ||
| All time travel from any point in the future to that moment is possible, and to any place else on the scale. | ||
| See, the idea is that you can only travel where there's a road. | ||
| So once the time machine is invented, Yeah. | ||
| Time ceases to be linear and everything happens all at once. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like literally anyone can come back to any point in time and go back and forth. | ||
| You could smack someone and then you go back in time before you smack them and kiss them and then go back in time and smack them and they'll go back in time and kiss them. | ||
| You could pull their pants down. | ||
| You could pull their pants up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could do whatever the fuck. | ||
| I mean you literally could go back and forth in time and it would have never happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you'd be communicating with the same person once it happens. | ||
| So once it does happen and people have access to it, which that access, like everything else, whether it's cell phones or automobiles or anything, the access starts in a limited way where very few people can afford it, and then it becomes worldwide. | ||
| Did we talk about directed panspermia already as related to time travel? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| So it's like the idea... | ||
| Directed panspermia. | ||
| I mean, intentional. | ||
| Yeah, it's a tricky... | ||
| Like the Aliens movie, Prometheus? | ||
| Yeah, it's like, exactly. | ||
| So the idea is like, okay, so I know this idea. | ||
| We need the road to travel, so we need to build the road. | ||
| So let's say I do invent the technology for a time machine, which basically means I have point A. Now I need a point B, right? | ||
| So the point B, I've got to get the further out the point B is, I guess the more powerful the time machine would be, right? | ||
| So this is the idea of direct to panspermia as a means of time travel is, assuming you are the super advanced species, then what you do is you create these genetic You create like DNA. You create a kind of packaged thing that when it lands in the right environment that you could live in has the tendency to evolve into a technological civilization that will build a time machine that is actually point B for your time | ||
| machine. | ||
| So you release from your planet. | ||
| Just infinite blasts of this DNA. And you know that when it lands on the road and the seed finds the right soil, it's going to grow into a technological tree that at the end of its growth is going to flower with... | ||
| Your point B, the end of your time machine. | ||
| So if you were this kind of interstellar traveler, then for you, you would send these seeds out into time, and then the moment a time that they got to the point where they built a time machine, for you it would seem like it happened instantly. | ||
| There's your point B. You don't know what it's going to lead to, but you know it's going to be at least a habitable planet because you've developed these genetic machines to only take root in a planet that you could live on. | ||
| So what we are are these genetic robots that are compelled to build technology because we're opening up the point B in some kind of interstellar time machine, and that's what the singularity is. | ||
| It's when our creator masters come through the time portal that we've opened up on this planet and say, Oh, hi, you did it. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty interesting. | ||
| It seems like it worked. | ||
| It seems so science fiction-y, though, that if we really got to a point... | ||
| Like, imagine if our civilization had gotten to a point where we could transcend space and time and travel through the universe and go to any place at any point in time and even drop the seeds of life on a planet and sort of... | ||
| What is that term that they were going to use on Mars where they... | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| What's the term when you take a part? | ||
| Terraforming? | ||
| Terraforming. | ||
| Yes, thank you. | ||
| And that they had done this. | ||
| And then they're going to come back like the Silver Surfer and fucking... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think we're them. | ||
| I think we are them. | ||
| I don't think there's anything else. | ||
| This is what I think. | ||
| And I think this is a ridiculous way to look at it, too. | ||
| Because I don't know, and I'm talking shit. | ||
| Sure, me too. | ||
| But I think it is entirely possible that we're number one. | ||
| Meaning that we're the first. | ||
| We're the first? | ||
| We're the first of all these things to achieve this state. | ||
| And that when these things achieve this state, they either blow themselves up or they keep going and they become more and more advanced. | ||
| But I don't think it happens very often. | ||
| And I might be wrong. | ||
| I might be totally wrong. | ||
| But it hasn't happened anywhere near us, so let's pretend that the galaxy that we look at right now that we can see, let's pretend that's the universe. | ||
| What if we find out that out of this galaxy of hundreds of millions of stars, we're the only intelligent life? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drastically narrows the possibility for intelligent life everywhere else in the universe, except for the fact that the universe is infinite, which means that not only is there intelligent life somewhere in the universe, there's a Duncan Trussell somewhere in the universe. | ||
| Not only is there a Duncan Trussell, but there's a Duncan Trussell that said everything that you said in the exact same order. | ||
| With every pause, every time you dribble piss on your toilet seat, and you go, I'll take care of that later, and you shut the lid, it did that to the exact T an infinite number of times throughout space. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, not only is there one of you, but there's an infinite number of yous and then an infinite number of possibilities left and right that you could have gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Different paths you could have taken. | ||
| Like, that's how big the universe is. | ||
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| That's how big infinity is. | ||
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Right. | |
| But that doesn't mean that anything's ever gotten smarter than this. | ||
| This is the only thing that we know that's gotten this smart. | ||
| And it might be, this is the only thing that's got this smart. | ||
| Because something had to be the first thing that got this smart. | ||
| Unless it happened simultaneously, like we're saying, then it happened with a bunch of things. | ||
| But let's call that thing the same thing in different places. | ||
| It's not like there's a grey alien with big black eyes and a giant head and a little skinny neck that reads your mind and flies through magnetic fields. | ||
| We're not talking about that. | ||
| We're talking about you and I, this thing. | ||
| This thing might exist an infinite number of times. | ||
| All throughout space and time. | ||
| But let's call it this one thing. | ||
| This one thing. | ||
| This might be the first time anything has gotten as advanced as this one thing. | ||
| So it's like the term the simulationists are using is base reality. | ||
| Like this is base reality. | ||
| And the statistical probability of this being base reality is somehow... | ||
| It's more probable this isn't base reality. | ||
| But yeah, it is a probability that this is base reality. | ||
| And there's also a probability that this isn't base reality. | ||
| You get to roll the dice on that one. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean, it's impossible to really, at this point, we can't prove that this isn't the default base reality that the entire universe is experiencing. | ||
| But my guess would be that no way, man. | ||
| I think it's more realistic that we're in a fucking... | ||
| Like a novelty farm? | ||
| Like some kind of technological novelty farm? | ||
| I mean, to use human terms, we're like... | ||
| I mean, if you could simulate a universe and then create intelligent anything, sentient intelligent beings, or particularly sentient intelligent beings that matched you, your species, duplicate yourself even, and then run that duplication an infinite number of times in this server mechanism or whatever you have in your supercomputer, and then you just set time to loop as fast a rate as your computer would let you, so at night you just like... | ||
| You let it run in the morning, you wake up, and it's like, oh, fuck, look, Hemingway, huh? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| The entire works of Hemingway just got generated in my universe simulator by one of the simulated creatures that I had in there. | ||
| I mean, it's a very prosperous job. | ||
| You'd be like a novelty farmer or something, in the same way they've got those fucking Bitcoin things that are like... | ||
| Constantly grinding to make bitcoins. | ||
| You're fucking making universes and inside the universes, the universes are making planets and the planets are making technology and the technology is being, every single whatever your morning happens to be, whenever you wake up, you're like, oh cool, we've got, whoa, that's interesting. | ||
| That's a new form of teleportation. | ||
| I haven't seen that before. | ||
| It's a way to harvest information from a kind of living AI or something like that. | ||
| You know, it seems like it'd be a very, really smart way to kind of like gather data or to create novelty events. | ||
| I mean, just for the pure entertainment of it. | ||
| Like if you had a way to like access, like for you, it's like, you know, right now we download a movie. | ||
| It takes like two minutes, five minutes, depending on your connection. | ||
| In the same way, like you wait five minutes and a universe is born and dies and throughout that it can pick out an interesting moments. | ||
| Like, look at this! | ||
| Oh, look, here's that moment where in that planet, World War III started because fucking Russia wanted to secure Syria and we didn't want it to happen. | ||
| Wow, look at the disaster. | ||
| Well, we already have examples of this in a rudimentary form and all these new universes that are being created in these online games that people are playing. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| What are those games, Jamie? | ||
| What are those games called? | ||
| Do you know the name of those games where they create different worlds? | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's called procedural generation. | ||
| You're talking about the No Man's Sky, the game that everyone got angry about. | ||
| Why'd they get angry about it? | ||
| Well, they got angry about it because the... | ||
| The summation of the anger is just because something is gigantic doesn't mean it's entertaining, right? | ||
| And so you end up getting in this kind of feedback loop because if you're going to procedurally generate an infinite or a semi-infinite universe with all these different planets and stuff, then that means you need an AI that you can procedurally generate that's also going to procedurally generate what we consider to be a game. | ||
| Interesting storylines, fun things to do. | ||
| You're just creating things, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's one part. | ||
| The other part that people got mad about is the... | ||
| Apparently... | ||
| Not even apparently. | ||
| You can see, like, people got so mad. | ||
| God, may you never piss off the gaming community. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| It was just like, don't fuck with it, man. | ||
| Because they swore, man. | ||
| And it's vicious and brutal. | ||
| Like, I was playing the game and really enjoying it for, like... | ||
| At least a week and a half, two weeks, and I would go on, like, Reddit, No Man's Sky, and read the comments, and I'd be like, God, you guys are fucking dicks! | ||
| This game's super fun! | ||
| I'm on the best fucking time of my life! | ||
| I'm never gonna play this again. | ||
| They talked you out of it? | ||
| No! | ||
| No, in the game, it just suddenly, it's like, wait. | ||
| It got boring? | ||
| It got boring. | ||
| For me, it got boring. | ||
| For other people, I know some people who still enjoy it. | ||
| But you were saying you guys are dicks. | ||
| When I was enjoying it, reading their critique. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But really, it was like reading the critique of gourmet chefs far more familiar with where gaming is at. | ||
| You know, these are people who play games all the time and know it and like have very high expectations. | ||
| But anyway, the point is, yes, it procedurally generates this incredible universe, but it ends up getting kind of boring or something like that. | ||
| But yeah, procedurally generate, like we are in a procedurally generated universe that is producing novelty events, which may be in the universe that We are being procedurally generated out of as a form of currency or a form of entertainment or a form of something we don't even understand yet. | ||
| All I know is if there was a game called Universe Creator, run your computer and your universe will We're good to go. | ||
| Pure capitalism. | ||
| What's better than having a never-ending stream of inventions coming from your universe simulator that you could then market in this dimension? | ||
| I think there's something weird that we do, too, where we look at things that we can generate with a computer versus things that sort of exist in the real world, and we look at them as coming from different sources. | ||
| Something that man makes versus something that just happens. | ||
| And because we look at it from different sources, I don't think we recognize that it's kind of the same thing. | ||
| Like, there's a long process from a star exploding to a human being being born, but they're all connected. | ||
| That star exploding is necessary for the development of the... | ||
| It's a carbon-based life form on the earth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So the elements that make us, a star had to blow up. | ||
| Like there's this long part. | ||
| But we don't think of that as like being made because it takes too long. | ||
| We decide we're going to call it evolution or natural selection. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But by defining any of these things in that way, we've failed to look at the thing for what the thing is. | ||
| Well, the thing is, forget about whether evolution's real or creation is real. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| That doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Like, whatever is doing it, it's doing it. | ||
| And it's doing it from a star blowing up to a person talking about a star blowing up to his friend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, right now. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| This is all made. | ||
| Like, whatever you've made has been made by this process. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Any great painter, any architect who's built the most incredible buildings, you were made. | ||
| This whole thing is made, and you're making things too, but those things aren't any more significant than trees. | ||
| The whole thing is nuts. | ||
| The whole thing is somehow or another getting more and more complex, more and more involved, more and more aware, faster information sharing between the things that make the things, and making more and crazier and better things, but all of these things made by a star explosion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess if you want to get technical, so when you say made... | ||
| What starts it? | ||
| Okay, right. | ||
| A process, right? | ||
| You know me, man. | ||
| I think we're probably like... | ||
| I really do think that whatever this is is literally made in the sense of a maker. | ||
| You really think there's a maker? | ||
| An individual? | ||
| What? | ||
| An individual? | ||
| I don't think it's an individual. | ||
| And I don't think it's like... | ||
| A force? | ||
| I think it's the... | ||
| Yeah, something that's very creative. | ||
| And I think that it's... | ||
| Or it's a source of creativity. | ||
| And I think that it's... | ||
| You know, I mean, I'm a... | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I'll say it. | ||
| I'm a theist, man. | ||
| Like, I pray. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Sorry, I do. | ||
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How dare you? | |
| We'll be right back. | ||
| I know! | ||
| We're going to press pause. | ||
| Just sounds of you punching me. | ||
| Wake up, Duncan. | ||
| I fucking love... | ||
| Look, I just love to pray and, like, when my life gets better when I pray and, like, I just love it. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| I mean, I fucking... | ||
| You know me. | ||
| I don't have to... | ||
| People who... | ||
| I know you, too. | ||
| So I enjoy... | ||
| So when you say, well, what? | ||
| Is it an individual... | ||
| I think it's like there's lots of different ways of saying it, and every single way of saying it falls short of what it is. | ||
| Now, there's a... | ||
| I keep telling you about this guy, man. | ||
| One day, I hope you pick him up. | ||
| There's a Buddhist teacher named Chogyam Trungpa who says... | ||
| So I'll get in an argument with Cho Gyum Trungpa. | ||
| If he heard me spew that bullshit, what he would say is, wait. | ||
| So when I ask you, is it an individual? | ||
| Is it a thing? | ||
| Is it a person? | ||
| And you say, I don't know, man. | ||
| There's no words for it. | ||
| Then at that moment, what you've done is you've taken your confusion And you've put it on an altar, and you've started worshiping it as though it were your God. | ||
| Your ability to not articulate the thing is not an indication of the existence of a thing, but is more the indication of your laziness because you want to deify your confused, passionate emptiness. | ||
| It's something like that. | ||
| There's a great fort in one of his books that is... | ||
| That's a great quote. | ||
| Echoed through my fucking head ever since I read it. | ||
| Confused, passionate emptiness. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's like a... | ||
| Courtney Love song. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Confused, passionate emptiness. | ||
| But so that being said, I think you should do experiments in reaching out to the transcendent as though it were possibly an embodied thing that was a lot smarter than you. | ||
| And if the result of the experiment is nothing, if you just feel embarrassed or dumb or you're like, why the fuck am I praying? | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| Then who cares? | ||
| You lose nothing. | ||
| But if the result of the experiment is even as a placebo effect, you begin to experience a shift in your subjective reality, then I think it's worth continuing those experiments and seeing how it unfolds. | ||
| Well, let's take away that definition, the placebo effect. | ||
| Because if you have, in some way, decided to meditate towards... | ||
| Towards the objective of communicating with the great love that runs the universe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And somehow or another that benefits you. | ||
| That's not a placebo effect. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a shift in your consciousness. | ||
| Whether or not it's validated by the existence of that thing, doesn't matter. | ||
| It's still a shift in your consciousness through what appears to be a decision, appears to be a decision that you've made to gravitate towards God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or gravitate towards love. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've always had the problem, whenever people talk about intelligent design, or a thing, or a deity, and this is my own problem, I automatically think of, instead of the universe, like, say there's the universe, and then there's this thing over here, like, right next to the universe. | ||
| It's like, oh, I'm just gonna sit here and make the universe. | ||
| It's the stupid way that I look at it. | ||
| It's completely my own, like, You can grow up or you can just sort of form these ideas in your head about what a deity is and then those ideas can be little prisons. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you try to define the universe. | ||
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Right. | |
| So my defining the universe as the universe being this thing that this thing's created and it's sitting over here in this other thing. | ||
| Like is it in the universe? | ||
| Does it build it from the universe? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like where is it? | ||
| Is it next door? | ||
| Is there a condo next to the universe? | ||
| Like what does it have? | ||
| Is it a part of the universe? | ||
| Or is it that the idea of an individual Is the wrong way to look at it? | ||
| That if you look at all the life on earth, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems that there's a lot of things in nature that are fractal, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It seems to exist pretty much everywhere you look. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when they start looking at subatomic particles, you realize how deep they can go and how small they can measure things. | ||
| And then you look at the size of the universe itself. | ||
| You look at the size of galaxies and black holes and just the vastness of space and the ability to measure. | ||
| I think they measure 13 point something billion light years since the Big Bang. | ||
| All that madness. | ||
| All that craziness that they're trying to... | ||
| I think by looking at all that stuff, by looking at the vastness of all this... | ||
| We define it in this way where there's a Duncan over here, and there's an ant over there, and there's another animal over here. | ||
| But inside of all of us are a bunch of different animals that are all little tiny ecosystems, right? | ||
| Like inside every person, there's not a single individual life form That's a person. | ||
| Every person requires all this life inside of it. | ||
| E.coli living in your body and all sorts of gut flora. | ||
| All sorts of things that are not you. | ||
| But there are you. | ||
| Because you are a system. | ||
| You're a system just like your neighborhood's a system. | ||
| Just like the rainforest is a system. | ||
| I'm sure all the people in the rainforest that are hunting with bows and arrows and looking out for jaguars, I'm sure they don't think of themselves as a system, but they're a life system. | ||
| That's how life balances itself out, both in your gut and in the jungle and in the mountains of Montana and in the savannas of Africa. | ||
| These are all systems, life systems. | ||
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Right. | |
| And our vision of life systems is that this life system is contained to this planet. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And this is it. | ||
| But this planet, everything on this planet, right? | ||
| The life system that's contained on this planet is all... | ||
| Bathed in oxygen, right? | ||
| It's all these gases. | ||
| And the elimination of those gases does not mean that you're not connected to all the other things that don't have those gases. | ||
| You take those gases away, you go into space itself. | ||
| You're still fucking connected to that. | ||
| You're still a soup. | ||
| You're a part of an infinite soup of space. | ||
| And you, just like a subatomic particle that blinks in and out of existence, that they can measure, it's moving and it's not moving, it's there and it's gone. | ||
| This is how small the life form of a planet is in comparison to the mass of the universe itself, which might very well be just like every other fractal. | ||
| The bigger you get, the more it represents the same patterns over and over again in larger scales. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The entire planet could be a subatomic particle in the cell of an organism that lives on another planet. | ||
| The entire universe itself. | ||
| Or if you want to even go deeper, the entire universe could be some kind of synaptic pulse in the brain of an entity just having a dream. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which is the synaptic pulse of another entity that's also having a dream. | ||
| And it's bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and there's no end. | ||
| This is one of the first in the emerald tablet, this alchemical. | ||
| You've seen that. | ||
| We've probably talked about it. | ||
| No, it's the emerald tablet. | ||
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Look it up. | |
| It's the emerald tablet. | ||
| Is it a book? | ||
| It's like this alchemical text that's like this super condensed... | ||
| Is it really old? | ||
| Yeah, it's really fucking old, man. | ||
| And I'm going to try to say that it's got a great name that I always say it wrong and I always get corrected, and so I'll say it wrong again. | ||
| The Emerald Tablet... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Hermes Trimestid somethingeth. | ||
| But if you open it up, open up the Emerald Tablet... | ||
| And then hopefully we can see what it says on it, because it's like, there it is. | ||
| Okay, what does the first one say? | ||
| Okay, tis certain with error, certain and most true. | ||
| So you just said number two. | ||
| That which is below is like that which is above, and that which is above is like that which is below. | ||
| To do the miracles of only one thing. | ||
| And as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one, so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation." So anyway, it's like... | ||
| So it's all the shit that we were just talking about. | ||
| Somebody had already figured it out. | ||
| Well, it's like... | ||
| So yeah, it's like the... | ||
| It's evidence that other people have been as high as we are. | ||
| Enough to put it in a tablet! | ||
| Dude, they didn't have podcasts. | ||
| They used to have to carve shit in a tablet. | ||
| It took a lot of words. | ||
| Fucking write that down! | ||
| We gotta find some emerald, man! | ||
| Yeah, if you had to write all that on bark... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a lot of work. | ||
| Yeah, but this is kind of the... | ||
| All these alchemical ideas... | ||
| I guess it's like... | ||
| It only makes sense that if we see these fractals all throughout nature, and we can observe them here, that our idea is that we can only observe subatomic particles, that that's the whole universe. | ||
| Like, it's probably infinitely smaller than that. | ||
| By the way, here's what's cool about that, is that is a translation by Isaac Newton. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, so he was really into this shit, man. | ||
| Like, Newton was fucking nuts. | ||
| Newton was asexual, too, right? | ||
| I don't know if he's asexual, but if he was, I think a lot of these guys, they were fucking around with mercury a lot, and it was like messing with their heads. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't know. | ||
| God forgive me, everyone out there. | ||
| But go to Newton and the occult. | ||
| Go back and look at the occult section. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that Newton was deeply into the occult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of those scientists and deep thinkers back then, they were checking on all sorts of different things. | ||
| Well, I mean, checking on it is one way to put it. | ||
| Another way to put it is, it may be that some of these people figured out ways to directly communicate with this intelligence that I certainly believe in. | ||
| It was through mercury poisoning. | ||
| Yeah, maybe Mercury is the way... | ||
| Do you know, speaking... | ||
| Go back to his personal life, because you were showing his personal life stuff there. | ||
| I want to make sure I'm right, because I said that he was asexual. | ||
| I read some weirdness about the way he viewed sex, and wasn't he a Christian as well? | ||
| A pretty hardcore Christian? | ||
| I don't know what kind of Christian he was. | ||
| That's a whole other... | ||
| I mean, Christian's a big word. | ||
| Newton never married, although he was once... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Once claimed that he is... | ||
| Although it was once... | ||
| It was claimed that he was engaged. | ||
| Newton never married. | ||
| The widespread belief that he died of a virgin has been commented on by writers. | ||
| Such as mathematician, Charles Hutton, probably a hater, economist John Maynard Keynes, hater, and physicist Carl Sagan. | ||
| How dare you, Carl? | ||
| Well, thank God. | ||
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Meanwhile, I just said it. | |
| I just said it. | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| You did say it. | ||
| Why are you talking shit about Newton? | ||
| Not even talking shit about it. | ||
| I'm just fascinated by individuals that are brilliant, beyond the norm. | ||
| Like Tesla, who is also a weird guy sexually. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fell in love with a pigeon. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know the whole deal. | ||
| Yeah, I know the deal. | ||
| He was completely out of his mind, but yet... | ||
| Insanely brilliant. | ||
| Like, beyond. | ||
| Insanely brilliant. | ||
| I think that's what happens. | ||
| And by the way, we call them out of their minds. | ||
| Meanwhile, what are we doing that makes any fucking sense? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Oh yeah, they're crazy. | ||
| I got it all figured out. | ||
| Look what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm sitting in a fucking podcast studio talking about the infinite universe. | ||
| It's like, we're all... | ||
| The idea that there is a kind of pattern that's like, oh yeah, that's the sane pattern right there. | ||
| Well, I think these people, they do make contact. | ||
| And I think, you know, we talk about like... | ||
| One of my favorite, I think you told me this, Joe, one of my favorite UFO conspiracy theories is that Roswell was a real alien crash and that we can chart the evolution of technology from the Roswell alien crash, that technology is actually some kind of alien virus that came in through Roswell and is now spreading through history now. | ||
| That's the most popular It's so fantastic. | ||
| Dude, one of the many things I love about you, man, is you are like the Library of Congress for this stuff. | ||
| Whereas in my mind, it's just like a murky swamp when I try to remember. | ||
| You can, in detail, expound on these things. | ||
| You photographically memorize them. | ||
| I think it's really cool. | ||
| So therefore, I know that you were the one who told me this. | ||
| And I think about it a lot. | ||
| It's a really cool idea, but I think it's funny. | ||
| Because for us, we're like, okay, the way we would get technology is by a metal craft shooting into the earth, and then we're going to take that and make technology. | ||
| Whereas, I think the real alien encounters that happen throughout history, the UFO encounters, a UFO, for lack of a better word, a UFO, Flies through the consciousness of Isaac Newton. | ||
| And Isaac Newton, Tesla, all of the great inventors have this spontaneous idea where they're like, wait, what, wait? | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| And so the alien technology is actually not something that necessarily has to be matter, but starts as a thought form that then gets sort of produced through the spinneret of the particular inventor that, like, allows it to come through them, you know? | ||
| I said this very thing in an interview today. | ||
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Really? | |
| The very exact thing. | ||
| Because we were talking about ideas possibly being a life form. | ||
| Ideas being a form of creativity and ideas being a form of life that... | ||
| Forces the change on an environment. | ||
| Forces the change in a civilization. | ||
| They come from ideas. | ||
| The ideas, creativity is responsible for everything, including this microphone, the internet connection, the building we're in, everything we're wearing. | ||
| Everything the car you drove to get here all that comes from the imagination from ideas and from creativity and The initial burst of imagination comes from where we don't know it might be a life form It might be as much of a life form as a physical thing like like a person or it might be the okay, | ||
| so like a plane or you know like a I don't know, you see in the, it's never actually happened to me, but like a plane flies too low, and like the fucking trees, or like when a helicopter's landing, the trees blow, people have to hold their hands to their ears, right? | ||
| So maybe when these like transcendent objects enter into our time-space continuum, shit tons of people start having the very same idea, or different like brilliant ideas that are actually just the sort of Impact that this craft as it passes through our planet or passes near us or whatever that means from the dimension that they're in Maybe that's the impact that it has on our consciousness is the sudden origination of these incredible ideas that end up creating massive | ||
| shifts in our society that that that's because if you look at like Tesla where he got his ideas and I don't know about Newton but a lot of Great inventors there. | ||
| It's not like their ideas came As they were sitting at the whiteboard calculating and then they got a eureka moment. | ||
| It's like they had dreams. | ||
| Well, Tesla literally was claiming that he was getting some information from space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He thought he was getting information from space. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you're onto something. | ||
| John Lilly, too. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| But he was so fucked up all the time, though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How does he know it's space? | ||
| Lily was shooting intramuscular ketamine and then climbing into an isolation tank all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| LSD, isolation tank. | ||
| But the ketamine injections, that was towards the end. | ||
| I think in the beginning... | ||
| It was LSD. It was LSD, and I think he got to the point where he recognized that maybe his physical body was actually getting in the way of what he actually was, so he just sort of wanted to melt into nothingness, and it was sort of troubled by this thing. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He was like, I gotta keep coming back to this fucking thing. | ||
| He's ready to get out of it. | ||
| Not as a suicidal way, but just like the way that something that is molted has to discard. | ||
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He was so far removed. | |
| I don't want to say gone, because I don't think he's wrong, but he was so far removed. | ||
| From the average human being. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In terms of how bizarre his paths of thinking had gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what he was trying to accomplish. | ||
| He was trying to... | ||
| I mean, he's a pioneer of interspecies communication with dolphins. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You'd get dolphins high on acid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He would get high on acid. | ||
| He was giving acid to dolphins? | ||
| I didn't know that part of the story. | ||
| Do you know that his research on dolphins was all canceled because the girl who was a scientist was jerking the dolphin off? | ||
| That got his research canceled? | ||
| Yeah, that was one of the things that got the project where she was living with a dolphin. | ||
| I like this story you're telling me because it's the story of the fucking luckiest dolphins. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm saying if you get caught as a dolphin, it's not great, but if you are going to get caught by the monkeys and you end up in a place where they're giving you acid and jerking you off... | ||
| That's the sound dolphin makes when you jerk them off. | ||
| Can you imagine if that dolphin got in a conversation with a SeaWorld dolphin and they're like, wait, what? | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| You get jerked off, dude. | ||
| They're giving you acid and... | ||
| I have to do flips for fat kids. | ||
| Fuck this, man. | ||
| Fuck this gig. | ||
| She jerks you off how often? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Yeah, and she kind of likes it. | ||
| She does like it. | ||
| I don't understand how... | ||
| That got his experiments cancelled. | ||
| Because it's pleasure. | ||
| Because we're so puritanical. | ||
| Through a scientist, it makes sense. | ||
| This dolphin was severely distracted. | ||
| It was horny all the time. | ||
| She would jerk the dolphin off. | ||
| The dolphin could relax. | ||
| And then it would do its work. | ||
| But the dolphin was always horny. | ||
| Because the dolphin's like a kid. | ||
| You know, the dolphin's like an 18-year-old kid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, an 18-year-old kid with a boner. | ||
| It's just so distracted. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good luck trying to get him to do work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, she just thought, rationally, first of all, she's a scientist. | ||
| She didn't think there was anything wrong with sex. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And she definitely realized that there was a problem in her research where this dolphin is dealing with too much desire to get rid of cum. | ||
| So, she just whacked him off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whacked him off and got back to work. | ||
| It's a very smart and pragmatic way of looking at it. | ||
| The problem is she told people about it. | ||
| Like over cocktails. | ||
| You know it was her fucking boyfriend who ruined it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| She was like... | ||
| So anyway, I jerked off... | ||
| What was the dolphin's name? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I bet when he came to visit her at work, he started getting a vibe that she was jerking off the dolphin. | ||
| Like it was looking at him weird. | ||
| No kidding, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Can you fucking imagine? | ||
| And the other thing is the dolphins, they were trying to get dolphins to say human words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they don't have any lips. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they can't make those sounds. | ||
| So they would do their best to make something close to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, they have those high-piercing, shrieking sort of sounds that they can make. | ||
| Do you know, man, that's the... | ||
| She's... | ||
| Even the thing... | ||
| Here's what would have happened. | ||
| If they could have gotten the dolphin to talk, they would have canceled it because the only thing it would say is, jerk me off again! | ||
| Jerk me off again! | ||
| Wait, what did it say? | ||
| Jerk me off! | ||
| Have you seen the video? | ||
| I don't mean to change the subject. | ||
| Have you seen the video of the crow telling someone, fuck you? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do you know that video? | ||
| If you look it up, it is so fucking funny, man. | ||
| Like, this guy, like, this guy, like, he doesn't insult the crow, but the crow really, like, snarks him. | ||
| I hope you can find it. | ||
| The crow literally says, fuck you? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Talk to him. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Hello? | ||
| That's crazy, yo. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| I don't hear anything. | ||
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Watch. | |
| No, no, I've never got the big head beak on him. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It's like he insults his beak and he's like, fuck you. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| See, if it was any other animal, I'd go, no way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they're so goddamn smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't want, like, fuck you, you're gonna make fun of my fucking beak. | ||
| Did you ever see the raven that starts a fight between two cats? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Can we see that, please? | ||
| I put it up on my Instagram. | ||
| This is some crazy shit. | ||
| Some raven flies over to one cat, fucks with him a little bit, the cat tries to get away from him, the cat, like, turns around real quick, and the raven jumps away, and then the raven flies over to another cat who's on another rooftop. | ||
| Sweat how he does this. | ||
| He literally starts a fight between these two. | ||
| He's just hanging out there. | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| He's like, damn, I'm fucking bored. | ||
| So he flies over there, and I guess it's not a raven. | ||
| Is that a raven? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a crow, too. | ||
| It's a crow? | ||
| It's a crow. | ||
| But why does it look white? | ||
| Is that the reflection of the sun on him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be a... | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| Anyway, so he flies over there, he gets near the cat, and he irritates the cat. | ||
| And then he flies over, gets near the other cat. | ||
| Look, he's getting behind him. | ||
| He irritates him. | ||
| He fucks with him. | ||
| He's fucking with both of them. | ||
| Literally, like he's fucking with him on purpose. | ||
| Look, he's getting really close. | ||
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Oh, this is awesome. | |
| And then he backs up. | ||
| He's getting really close. | ||
| He fucks with him. | ||
| Look, he's literally fucking with that cat. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| He keeps poking at him. | ||
| He's getting right behind him. | ||
| The cat turns around to swing at him. | ||
| So he's agitating the cat, and the cat jumps on the other cat! | ||
| And he flies over there, and he's a foot away from them while they're duking it out. | ||
| They fall off the fucking roof. | ||
| They're beating the fuck out of each other. | ||
| He flies to the ground, and he's watching them. | ||
| Like, he literally instigated and started this fight, and he's prodding them while they're fighting. | ||
| Look, they fall into a hole. | ||
| They're beating the shit out of each other, dude. | ||
| And that bird's like, dude, what's up? | ||
| Look, he hops in there. | ||
| He hopped in there with him. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's Satan. | ||
| That's the bird is the devil. | ||
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| Yeah, that's so great. | ||
| Ravens are always thought to be satanic, right? | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, I guess so. | ||
| They're like harbingers of doom. | ||
| There's a great word for it. | ||
| Psychopomps is the word for it. | ||
| Like animals that appear, I think, before someone's going to die. | ||
| Like, Crows. | ||
| There's a whole bunch. | ||
| What was the Edgar Allan Poe? | ||
| The Raven. | ||
| Yeah, the Raven. | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| You know, I read an analysis of what that was. | ||
| It's, like, very, very fucking sad, man. | ||
| Probably about a chick that dumped him. | ||
| You're never gonna be happy again. | ||
| Oh, that's it? | ||
| The idea is, like, yeah, you're never gonna be fucking happy again. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Like, happiness is a dream. | ||
| Give it up. | ||
| The reality is that life is... | ||
| You know, it's the usual kind of fucking drivel that comes out of people. | ||
| No, I don't mean to say drivel, but sometimes the old happy juice isn't coming out of the synaptic vesicles the way it should, and you translate that. | ||
| It's like, instead of recognizing that your engine is running low on coolant, You think that all cars in the world must just run in some shitty way. | ||
| To me, it's one of the most beautiful things to realize while simultaneously being one of the most depressing things to realize, which is that so much of what human happiness is is coming from these Synaptic vesicles, these little bubbles of serotonin that are getting dripped into our brains according to what activities we are partaking in. | ||
| And so, some people, the drip isn't happening. | ||
| And I would say that it's probably safe to say that for Edgar Allan Poe, His brain, if you could say the synaptic vesicles are the vagina of the human brain, then his were dry, arid, just fucking chafed synaptic vesicles. | ||
| He was depressed. | ||
| Nothing's coming out, man. | ||
| And I know what that's like, because anyone who's taken MDMA, if you've taken MDMA and have felt the MDMA-related depression, extrapolate from that thing. | ||
| Three straight years of that unrelenting numbness that comes when you don't have enough of the happy juice up there. | ||
| And then you're gonna start writing shit like, quote the raven, never more. | ||
| Also, it doesn't help that his fucking wife... | ||
| I think at one point she had, what was the name of that terrible disease? | ||
| Tuberculosis. | ||
| I think it was tuberculosis. | ||
| She had some horrible lung disease. | ||
| And I think she was playing piano. | ||
| At this party that he threw and she just like exploded blood all over the piano. | ||
| Like she just coughed up a big spray of blood. | ||
| So he had a rough life, Edgar Allen Poe. | ||
| He's a fucking alcoholic. | ||
| You know, he had a crazy... | ||
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| That too. | ||
| That makes depression. | ||
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I mean... | |
| Yeah, it doesn't help. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| Nothing hinders your happiness like crashing your system every night. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Yeah, you're essentially slowly poisoning yourself. | ||
| If you're really into drinking all the time, ooh. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not fucking good. | ||
| There's so many better options out there for you, too. | ||
| Well, not pot. | ||
| That's illegal, but Yeah, I just think that people would benefit more from it too. | ||
| I From marijuana? | ||
| Yeah, instead of making you more confident, it makes you less. | ||
| It makes you more aware, more objective. | ||
| It's a nicer drug. | ||
| It's nicer in terms of its effects, in terms of the behavior of people that are on it. | ||
| It's just a way nicer drug. | ||
| I gotta tell you, man. | ||
| All this fucking shit coming out about Hillary Clinton, the thing that really bummed me out the most, man, was that fucking she's like anti-marijuana. | ||
| That really gets to me, man. | ||
| It's like, goddammit. | ||
| Because I was going to do for her the pragmatic Clinton vote. | ||
| Well, Trump seems like a fun guy to hang out with at a party. | ||
| Don't want him around my nuclear weapons. | ||
| Hillary Clinton seems like a... | ||
| You know, God, just like the ultimate politician, like the super evolved ultimate flower on the goddamn bush of politics. | ||
| But God, fuck it, I'll write in, fuck it, I'll check Hillary Clinton. | ||
| It's like, God damn it. | ||
| Gary Johnson. | ||
| What? | ||
| Gary Johnson. | ||
| Gary Johnson makes sense. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I mean, he doesn't know shit about Aleppo, but... | ||
| He doesn't know shit about a lot of things. | ||
| I'm sure that he's gonna have to learn if he becomes president. | ||
| Do you really think that- Is that really your- Donald Trump's gonna pay attention to that? | ||
| That's who you're endorsing? | ||
| I'm endorsing him more than anybody else. | ||
| That's who you're gonna vote for? | ||
| I'd vote- I'll write in you. | ||
| How about that, bitch? | ||
| Don't write in me. | ||
| Write in bag of tarantulas! | ||
| Write in bag of tarantulas! | ||
| That's what I'm writing in. | ||
| No, I'm not writing in bag of tarantulas. | ||
| Alright, fine. | ||
| But I do think that I just I mean can only talk about this nonsense so long but her her insistence on working towards marijuana and Making sure that marijuana stays a schedule one drug. | ||
| Yeah It's it's not just disappointing. | ||
| It's it's traitorous. | ||
| Yeah traitorous that word. | ||
| Yes, I mean It's bigly traitorous make it words on traders Shitties Traitorous. | ||
| You could say traitorous. | ||
| Sounds wrong. | ||
| Sounds like a dinosaur. | ||
| A traitorsaurus? | ||
| Hillary Clinton's a traitorsaurus. | ||
| But I think it's not just not doing your job to serve and protect us and to lead us. | ||
| Not only is it not doing your job, it's doing the opposite of your job. | ||
| You're doing something for profit and you've made a connection and through influence you've decided to do something that you know for sure doesn't help anybody. | ||
| It keeps people in jail. | ||
| That's all you need to know. | ||
| The keep people in jail part, that's all you need to know. | ||
| More people were arrested From marijuana than for all violent crimes combined. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| But that's the problem, is that it's a business. | ||
| There's a giant business in arresting people and putting people in jail, keeping people in jail, enforcing laws. | ||
| There's a business in that. | ||
| It's a huge business. | ||
| We don't want to think of it as a huge business, but any time a huge business drops off, and it's gonna drop off, whoever you're, if you're in that business, get out now, because you're like, blockbuster video, you motherfuckers. | ||
| You're not gonna make it. | ||
| You mean the prison business? | ||
| Yes, the prison business and the drug business, the DEA business, the arresting people for marijuana business. | ||
| Anybody who's in the arresting people for marijuana business, you might as well be selling Betamax. | ||
| I hope you're right, man. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| It's not going to work anymore. | ||
| You can't keep arresting people for something that everybody does. | ||
| Just like they had to give it up with alcohol. | ||
| But if she's saying, if the next president, she's definitely going to be the next president, is saying that she's going to continue this prohibition to the bankers that were paying her to give a presentation, And this is the person Obama's endorsing and Bernie Sanders is endorsing. | ||
| It's just like, I don't know. | ||
| The more I look into all this shit, the more confused I become. | ||
| I tried to go a little deeper into it, like looking up the Clinton Foundation and then checking out the charity websites that talk about the Clinton Foundation or give it a rating or whatever. | ||
| And it's like, well, there's a lot of misinformation coming from both sides. | ||
| But the most the one I trust only because they're like a left-leaning super liberal website the Huffington Post called there's an article and they're saying the Hillary the Clinton Foundation's gross is the name of the article and basically it says the foundation itself If you look at the tax returns, since it's an operating foundation, all the bullshit about how they're only giving like 6% or 10% of the money to charities is wrong, because they are doing shit. | ||
| They are doing stuff. | ||
| The foundation goes into the world, it has worked with AIDS, so you can't villainize the entire foundation. | ||
| But what's fucked up is the Clintons, when they go to give talks to people who then donate to the foundation, they get paid, and that money's separate from what goes to the foundation. | ||
| So when Hillary Clinton goes and gives a speech, And then they donate to the foundation. | ||
| The amount they pay her for the speech doesn't go to the foundation. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That goes to the Clintons. | ||
| And it's hundreds of thousands of dollars for an hour speech. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| So that's where the corruption is. | ||
| And apparently there used to be some kind of... | ||
| Law that if there was even the appearance of corruption in politics, then you had to change your operating procedures. | ||
| But that apparently got changed in the Supreme Court or something. | ||
| So now you can... | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And like last night at the debates, man... | ||
| When they asked her about the WikiLeaks shit, which is real. | ||
| Like, however the information got obtained, it really doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| But, I mean, it matters. | ||
| But the issue is... | ||
| The information itself. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Right? | ||
| So when you watch that feint where she's like, you got it from Putin! | ||
| It was amazing to me. | ||
| That was like, goddammit, like Trump, there's a really great chance right there for you to be like, did Putin send those emails? | ||
| Was he writing your emails? | ||
| Because let's talk about the fucking emails and then we'll talk about Russia. | ||
| But he like spun off on this weird thing. | ||
| It was really like a- So she baited him. | ||
| She fucking baited him. | ||
| She's a master at that. | ||
| She's so good at playing him. | ||
| She's so good. | ||
| It's amazing to watch. | ||
| Well, he's easy, but she's doing it masterfully. | ||
| Masterfully. | ||
| I guess that's the one bitter comfort that we have, is that this person who's going to become president is very, very sophisticated when it comes to manipulating people. | ||
| Sophisticated in a way that... | ||
| God, man, I kept looking, I kept trying to take pictures of her, and you get up close... | ||
| She's a vampire! | ||
| Dude, her view... | ||
| Someone needs to put together a montage of Clinton fucking stink eyes. | ||
| Have you seen, like, how good she is at giving the stink eye? | ||
| Like, she was looking... | ||
| Because what's crazy... | ||
| She was, like, looking... | ||
| No! | ||
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| She's looking at the camera. | ||
| I'm trying to get pictures of her because she's wearing the same outfit, kind of, as the Heaven's Gate dude. | ||
| It's kind of the same outfit, so I'm trying to get a picture of it. | ||
| And she keeps looking at the camera and giving this fucking stink eye that felt like she was looking at me. | ||
| It felt like, fuck, she knows I'm trying to do this tweet about her weird outfit. | ||
| She gives a terrible stink eye, man. | ||
| I've never seen anybody throw eye daggers like Hillary Clinton can, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Do you think that she's employing a different strategy now? | ||
| Because her first strategy with him was to kind of laugh when he would say ridiculous shit and almost take the high road. | ||
| But now she's gone on the attack more. | ||
| And now, Clinton and Melania, they don't shake hands before. | ||
| There's all this stuff that's going on, man. | ||
| It's a different sort of vibe now between the two of them as it ramps up. | ||
| I think she was super effective, though, in just taking the moral high ground. | ||
| Her? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of debate tactics. | ||
| Here's Trump. | ||
| I imagine what a Trump strategy meeting looks like is people sitting around eating cheeseburgers doing blow. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're like, Trump's already making deals for his next TV show. | ||
| He's like, fuck, whatever, yeah, the president thing. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They're like, you know, he probably is getting fucking calls from Putin. | ||
| They're like, wow! | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I think if you look at a Hillary Clinton strategy meeting, she's like sitting in some kind of like geodesic dome surrounded by CIA agents who are like, we've done a thermal analysis of Donald and here are the moments that you should hold still. | ||
| And at this moment, we recommend that you say this, and then this, and then this. | ||
| Like, she goes through the whole... | ||
| They're like, he's definitely gonna bring up the WikiLeaks. | ||
| Here, according to our psychological analysis, and also some of the DNA data we got from one of the cheeseburger crumbs that fell out of his fucking mouth at one of these rallies, is like, he's going to react to this. | ||
| And, like, she just memorizes it in a kind of alien way, sits there, and just does it. | ||
| Like, the fighters, I'm sure. | ||
| I remember when you were like when I realized because I don't know at the time I didn't know anything about fighting but then you were explaining how like They have these insanely deep combos. | ||
| If this person does this, they have all these moves, like, 19 moves deep. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| So I think she's like that. | ||
| She has, like, if he does this, you do this. | ||
| And if he does that, then this, this, this, and then that, and then that, and then that. | ||
| And they've done it all with, like, a government team of psychologists who have fully analyzed him and know how to fucking set him off. | ||
| And she did it last night. | ||
| She did it in every single fucking debate. | ||
| And it's not like she's the one who's coming up with that. | ||
| She's got a team of the smartest, most manipulative people on planet Earth who baited him in to the fucking elections in the first place. | ||
| You saw that email, right? | ||
| Where they picked the three candidates that they wanted to empower, you know, or to like build up, which was Trump. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Ted Cruz. | ||
| Ted fucking Cruz. | ||
| Because he's also a fool. | ||
| Because he's a fool and the other, the sweet guy, the doctor. | ||
| Marco Rubio? | ||
| No, Ben Carson. | ||
| Carson, you know? | ||
| So like they pick the three biggest fools. | ||
| They're like, all right, let's pump them up. | ||
| They pump them up. | ||
| The king of the fools made his way into the fucking president. | ||
| Somehow they're like, are you fucking kidding? | ||
| We got Trump? | ||
| We got fucking Trump! | ||
| We got Trump! | ||
| Trump! | ||
| Hold on, let me go to the Trump file. | ||
| Oh my god, listen to this audio of him talking about grabbing fucking girls! | ||
| She's like, okay, great, let's use that. | ||
| Hold on to that for a while. | ||
| Yeah, we'll do that on the day before the second debate. | ||
| Yeah, let's do that on the day before the second debate. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think they gave it two days. | ||
| Yeah, two days to build. | ||
| Two days to build. | ||
| And then, of course, they were probably working on months leading up to it. | ||
| They're like, let's find every single person that claims Donald Trump groped them or that were groped by Donald Trump. | ||
| Or anyone who's willing to claim Donald Trump groped them. | ||
| Anybody wants to get on TV? Yeah, yeah. | ||
| How are you guys feeling? | ||
| But I have a feeling, I mean, I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that if you wanted to find people who said, yeah, Trump grabbed my pussy, it wouldn't be that fucking hard. | ||
| It's not like you're looking for Bigfoot. | ||
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| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it wasn't like a hard thing to do. | ||
| It's a breadcrumb trail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very simple. | ||
| Very easy. | ||
| And so it's like when you realize like that, then you start feeling this weird compassion for him. | ||
| You're like, My God, even with all his maliciousness and weird perviness and stuff, ultimately he's like a fucking bull that got put into a goddamn ring with a matador who's been doing this kind of bullfighting for like 30 fucking years, for better or for worse. | ||
| And we're watching what we saw last night, I guess. | ||
| And what's interesting about it, a big part of what's interesting about it is, he came really close to winning. | ||
| I mean, he's still in the neighborhood of winning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Plus or minus 11 points. | ||
| What that means is between now and how many days do we have until the elections? | ||
| 21 days? | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| A lot of crazy shit can happen in 21 days that can shift people's opinions. | ||
| No, but apparently, again, from all the stats... | ||
| Now, look, man, I try to get... | ||
| Don't say any of that stuff, because you don't even know if it's true. | ||
| They're all just talking on TV, and they're brainwashing all of us to let us think that they know who the fuck's voting. | ||
| They're not talking to you, they're not talking to me, they're not talking to Jamie. | ||
| I don't think they know nearly as much... | ||
| Do you think it's a massive cover-up? | ||
| No, I don't think it's a massive cover-up at all. | ||
| I think a lot of what happens in the polls... | ||
| Does reflect how the United States feels. | ||
| But there's no way it could be 100% accurate. | ||
| Because it's not polling 100% of the people. | ||
| And I think part of the problem with those polls is, once you read the results of the polls, Hillary Clinton is ahead by 16%. | ||
| Everybody just starts saying, well, Hillary Clinton's got it in the bag. | ||
| I've seen the recent polls. | ||
| And you even start thinking and voting... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Towards that goal like people who might have voted for Trump go. | ||
| I don't want to waste my vote. | ||
| I want to be on the winning team You know to be a lot of that I think really though man like if people like what that the effect that that actually has is people who might have been terrified of Trump being president Oh, yeah If they're like, she's already ahead by 12%, I'm not gonna fucking drive out to the polls to vote. | ||
| They don't come out to vote. | ||
| Like, it would serve her more if there was some collusion between her and the media, which, according to the Podesta emails, there certainly has been. | ||
| There's like, you've got the, like, the editor of Politico, you saw that one where he's like, fuck it, I'm a hack. | ||
| Yeah, he said it was a hack. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Crazy! | ||
| So, like, I don't know if it was the editor, I don't remember which guy it was, but the point is, I think it's a pretty safe bet That she's going to be the next president. | ||
| And I don't think that that data that we're getting is necessarily some kind of collusion between... | ||
| Not saying it's collusion. | ||
| I'm saying it affects the event itself. | ||
| I'm saying that even if you do legitimately, objectively poll a group of people and you get a result from that poll, it's not really representative of 100% of the people. | ||
| But once you start thinking that it is, and once people start deciding that it is, it has a massive impact on how people vote. | ||
| Well, I gotta tell you man, before the fucking buses go riding through Varying neighborhoods and scooping up illegal immigrants and before the fucking abortion cops start arresting fucking women for getting abortions and before all the Insanity that like apparently he's gonna do starts happening. | ||
| That's he Trump that if he gets elected if he gets about arresting people for abortions Yeah, he said that women should be like punished for that's one of the main one of his many fuck-ups is he was like yeah women should be there should be some punitive Legal shit if women get a legal abortion. | ||
| That's real? | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| You can find it. | ||
| It's like famous. | ||
| Yeah, look it up. | ||
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| Yeah, he's like... | ||
| He really said that? | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| There's a whole thing. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| Jamie's gonna look it up. | ||
| Look it up! | ||
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| You're getting very worked up. | ||
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| I didn't know that he had said those words. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to say. | ||
| He said there should be some... | ||
| He would arrest someone for having an abortion. | ||
| Not for having an abortion. | ||
| It's like for a... | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| It's like enough that she mentioned it in the last debates. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to say, too, because a lot of his positions on things, you know, are off the cuff. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, maybe he hadn't even considered it. | ||
| Somebody brings something up and he talks about it and he doesn't have... | ||
| Definitely off the fucking cuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump... | ||
| He said he was mis... | ||
| I'll let you read that. | ||
| Okay, let me read it. | ||
| Go back up. | ||
| Go back up, please. | ||
| Trump abruptly reversed his course, says women should not be punished for abortion. | ||
| So what did he say? | ||
| You have to look it up. | ||
| What was the station? | ||
| There's been some sort of... | ||
| Oh, there has to be some sort of punishment, he said, for women who receive unlawful abortions. | ||
| I have not changed my position, Trump said in the statement. | ||
| He said he was referring to doctors who perform illegal abortions, not women who receive them. | ||
| Mmm, okay. | ||
| That's what he said in the statement. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Okay, so he still believes that doctors who perform illegal abortions, there should be some sort of punishment for them. | ||
| Alright, well that's not the same thing. | ||
| Well, he wants to reverse Roe vs. | ||
| Wade. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| He said that last night. | ||
| He said he would try to put in three Supreme Court justices that would be on that side of the decision. | ||
| So it would automatically get reversed, was I think his exact words almost. | ||
| Man, that's so tricky. | ||
| Deciding what people can and can't do with their body, and people go, it's not that, it's a baby. | ||
| It's not always a baby. | ||
| Sometimes it's a bunch of cells. | ||
| When it's 10 cells, is it still a baby? | ||
| You could get an abortion 10 cells in. | ||
| Is that an abortion? | ||
| I mean, I do not know. | ||
| I'm legitimately asking at what point in time- Do you get to tell someone that they have to remain pregnant? | ||
| But think of the irony that fucking pro-abortion Hillary Clinton is anti-marijuana. | ||
| So she's like, I'm going to tell you, no, it's not our place to say what a woman could do with her body, but I'm going to fucking tell you what you can put into your body. | ||
| I think it is the government's place to say that. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck? | ||
| She's doing it for profit, 100%. | ||
| That's the only reason why the banks want her to do it in the first place. | ||
| Why else would the banks be concerned about marijuana? | ||
| Are they in the marijuana business? | ||
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| Why would banks want her to be... | ||
| For marijuana laws. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I don't get it, man. | ||
| I would expect a lot of bankers love weed, so it doesn't make sense. | ||
| No, I guarantee you I know what it is. | ||
| It has to do with banks having interest in pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| The company that makes fentanyl, we've talked about this ad nauseum, they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in Arizona to try to stop the Medical or not even medical. | ||
| They're trying to do recreational. | ||
| Recreational marijuana from being passed in Arizona. | ||
| Because they know that it's way cheaper, way easier, and way more effective pain relief. | ||
| It's going to fucking cripple their creepy-ass business. | ||
| And, guess what? | ||
| No physical addiction properties. | ||
| Some people get addicted to it, but they're the same people that get addicted to a lot of stuff, folks. | ||
| And it doesn't mean there's, like, physical addictive properties to marijuana. | ||
| There's not really a mechanism for you to get physically addicted to marijuana the way you can get physically addicted to painkillers. | ||
| Look, even if there was, it's not the government's place to say you can't do this. | ||
| Especially while they still have pain pills, and they're taking money from these pain pills. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, it's so gross. | ||
| What a fucking mess, man. | ||
| It's like, the dream is, like, man, can you imagine? | ||
| If the fucking Republicans had come up with just a normal dude, like if they just somehow come up with one normal guy, like just a non-religious nut, and somebody who doesn't have a checkered past, just a kind of balanced guy who's like, well, we need to work on the economy. | ||
| Like Mitt Romney without the Mormon shit. | ||
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| If they had just come up with that, they would have won by a long shot. | ||
| A long shot. | ||
| It's like this was the perfect chance for them to get somebody in, but it didn't happen. | ||
| They couldn't do it. | ||
| Their whole system was so screwy. | ||
| It's sad, too, when you hear some of the... | ||
| Because, by the way, man, here's a newsflash. | ||
| Not all Republicans are bad. | ||
| People think that. | ||
| A lot of them have some great fucking ideas. | ||
| Smaller government, not a bad idea. | ||
| But when you hear some of the frustration, Like my fucking dad, man. | ||
| He's a lifelong Republican. | ||
| He's a vet. | ||
| And he's, you know, he's like dismayed by all of this. | ||
| Like he looks at it from the perspective of someone who's like seen so many different election cycles and to look at like... | ||
| It boiling down to debates that have turned into the fucking Jerry Springer show. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| This is a fucking guy who spent two fucking years in Vietnam by choice because he thought he was going to fight for his country. | ||
| So these things mean a lot to him. | ||
| And it's like to see this fucking barely, at least in the debates that I've seen, you see barely anyone talking about the fucking... | ||
| Like, no one's fucking talking about the fact that the VA is fucked or that, like, some of these people aren't getting any of the medical care that they need. | ||
| It's, like, crazy. | ||
| They're up there fucking talking about Trump grabbing pussies or, like, Hillary Clinton's fucking stupid foundation. | ||
| What about the fact that, like, people are blowing their goddamn brains out all over neighborhoods across our country because they made the decision to, like, go over and fight in fucking Iraq? | ||
| And more people have killed themselves than have died serving. | ||
| Yeah, what about that? | ||
| Yeah, more veterans have killed themselves than have been killed in war. | ||
| Can you imagine like... | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I have never... | ||
| What is the numbers? | ||
| I would like to know how much more it is. | ||
| More veterans have committed suicide than have died in combat in these wars. | ||
| That's... | ||
| that's... | ||
| That's unbelievably shocking. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| The fact that they don't talk about that at all. | ||
| Hardly at all. | ||
| And it's like, just imagine like, and by the way, here's another thing, man. | ||
| One thing you don't hear about. | ||
| Like, we hear about like, you know, you hear about the... | ||
| We do hear about PTSD a lot, but I don't think people realize the impact that PTSD has on a family. | ||
| The impact of your dad or your mom being completely closed off. | ||
| Because when you get PTSD, You develop these crazy survival mechanisms, so you try not to feel as much anymore. | ||
| So you get numbed down, you become an alcoholic, you become a drug addict, you have difficulty expressing emotions. | ||
| You're a fucking mess, man. | ||
| And like, by the way, with all due respect, but you're not, you know, PTSD is a very difficult disorder to have, right? | ||
| So it's not just impacting the vet, it's fucking the entire- Spreading out. | ||
| Spreading out into the communities and the neighborhoods and shit and the fact that like... | ||
| I just imagine being in a family that's been... | ||
| God, that's so fucked up. | ||
| Suicide surpassed war. | ||
| Make that a little larger please, Jamie? | ||
| You said they're 17 to 22 every day. | ||
| Make that a little larger please? | ||
| Wow, look at that man. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| This is really incredible. | ||
| 46% of the... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| The fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan accounted for anywhere from one out of three deaths in the military from 2005 to 2010 to more than 46% of the deaths in 2007... | ||
| According to the height of the Iraqi, during the height of the Iraqi surge. | ||
| More than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9-11, and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives in the same time, according to Pentagon data. | ||
| So keep going now so we can find out where... | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Hold on a second then. | ||
| Go back to the bottom of that, please. | ||
| It says more than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives. | ||
| So how is that the same amount? | ||
| Go back up to the title? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Is this a bad article? | ||
| Suicide surpassed war as the military leading cause of death. | ||
| What that means is currently. | ||
| That doesn't mean like all told. | ||
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Right. | |
| I think this is an old article, dude. | ||
| It's currently, but still, fuck, that's so dire, man. | ||
| Yeah, this is a couple years old. | ||
| Go and find a, if you can, please find a more recent article. | ||
| Because I think what they were saying is suicide, yeah, suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. | ||
| There it goes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so what are the numbers there? | ||
| Jesus Christ veterans to explore Experts estimate that 17 of the 22 daily suicides involving vets Not enrolled in the VA's health care system. | ||
| Jesus 27,258 of those we honor for their service on this Veterans Day have died by their own hand 27 fucking thousand people That's from how many wars? | ||
| How many years? | ||
| It's still a lot of fucking people. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| Anyway, man, the whole thing... | ||
| But it's not unbelievable, right? | ||
| It's very believable. | ||
| It's an empty existence to be having sent over there when you're 17 years old and you're fighting for a war that a lot of people don't believe in. | ||
| You wind up killing people you don't even know. | ||
| And you come back all fucked up and PTSD'd out and then you don't get any help. | ||
| Yeah, you don't get any help because part of, I think maybe part of PTSD is you don't want to reach out for help. | ||
| So that's like part of the disorder is you're all numb down. | ||
| So like, yeah, man, not to mention you have, many of these people have brain trauma. | ||
| Like they've got like, there's a lot of, anyway, I'm sure that if you're sitting in a, like if you're in a family, That's been impacted by that, and you're watching the debates. | ||
| Because, you know, for me, I watch the debates as a form of entertainment. | ||
| You know, to me, it's like there's something in it that's grim, yet hilarious, and it's interesting to see this kind of unraveling of our political system in this way. | ||
| But, man, it's like... | ||
| When you just spend a little bit of time thinking about how the whole machine is impacting families in the most fucked up way, man. | ||
| A lot of kids, they don't know their dad has PTSD. They don't even know why their dad is drinking so much or is acting angry or unpredictable or seems fucked up. | ||
| They don't even know it. | ||
| They just think that's how dad is. | ||
| And then they develop They begin to imitate that behavior, you know? | ||
| And then the next thing you know, you've got this echo of this terrible thing that war is echoing out into our communities and into everything, man. | ||
| I imagine when you're watching the debates and you're realizing that these two people are spending I don't know what percentage of time talking about that. | ||
| I don't know what the percentage is exactly that they've talked about veterans at all, but you probably start getting really, really, really depressed when you're like, well, I guess that was just a bunch of bullshit that we did out there for real, because these guys are barely talking about it. | ||
| It's just a weird popularity contest for them to get into this position of power. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| And they're saying whatever is popular in the moment. | ||
| What's popular in the moment is grabbing pussies and email scandals. | ||
| I mean, that's what everybody seems to be focusing on. | ||
| Because the war has been going on for so long, the people almost got numb to it. | ||
| And if you drudge that up, it's not going to get the same emotional sparks, the current event spark that we love. | ||
| We love a current event spark. | ||
| Right now, the current event spark is grabbing pussies and email scandals. | ||
| I went back and forth the other day during the debates, post-debate, from CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, just listening to the different sides and how they talk about stuff. | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| I mean, you never... | ||
| More aware of the fact that you are being... | ||
| Propaganda is being projected in your way. | ||
| Just blatantly unapologetic propaganda. | ||
| The CNN people aren't even remotely considering the impact of her... | ||
| The controversy with the Clinton Foundation, this WikiLeaks stuff that's come out about the bankers and her trying to keep marijuana an illegal drug and keep Americans imprisoned, therefore, because of it. | ||
| None of that gets brought up. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Not a thing gets brought up. | ||
| The idea that 30,000 emails were about yoga classes, how much does this bitch take yoga? | ||
| Right. | ||
| How is that even possible? | ||
| Dude, I've been doing jujitsu for 20... | ||
| Something years? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think I have a thousand jujitsu emails that I could delete. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't even think I have a hun- I might have a hundred. | ||
| I might have a hundred or two hundred jujitsu emails that I could delete. | ||
| How the fuck is Hillary Clinton, non-physical Hillary Clinton, With her bite suit on. | ||
| That crazy space outfit on. | ||
| How is she... | ||
| You're trying to pretend that you're doing yoga all the time? | ||
| Yeah, come on! | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| She's not doing yoga. | ||
| Also, like, this sinister thing they did. | ||
| Apparently, John Kerry... | ||
| Manipulated Ecuador into cutting off Assange's internet connection, you know, so it's like on top of that They just like shut him down. | ||
| They're like so like our country was able to manipulate another country to shut the internet connection off of a guy It's like, you know, you hear about how like who's the new leader of Korea? | ||
| It's Kim Jong-un, right? | ||
| Il was the first, Un's the second. | ||
| So like Kim Jong-un The South Koreans, they put propaganda weather balloons into North Korea, and I guess the North Koreans see this shit and they're like, what the fuck? | ||
| And then Kim Jong-un threatens to shoot nuclear missiles into South Korea for distributing information, like, hey, you guys Guys are in a fucking hell bubble over there. | ||
| You know the world's not really like that? | ||
| They don't know that over there. | ||
| So in the same way, Assange has started leaking this information to us. | ||
| It's like, hey, check it out, man. | ||
| You're politicians. | ||
| This is how they fucking work. | ||
| This is how they work. | ||
| And instead of us being like, whoa, let's reform this system. | ||
| We gotta reform this fucking system, man. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Even if it is above the board. | ||
| Even if what you're doing is above the board in some kind of weird, gray, liminal It shouldn't be. | ||
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It shouldn't be! | |
| Let's fix it! | ||
| Instead, we're like, ah, this is that Vladimir Putin trying to fucking manipulate our elections, which, by the way, are not rigged! | ||
| How could anyone say that when our politicians are so fucking honest? | ||
| Why would anybody say that the very thing that makes these honest people rise to power would be fucking corrupt? | ||
| So strange, man. | ||
| So strange. | ||
| And it's like, you know, the reaction we should all be having should not be like, I don't know, anger at Russia. | ||
| The reaction we should be having is anger at our political class. | ||
| You know, it should be, and that was Assange's idea, right? | ||
| That's his idea, is like, if we expose, he wrote this essay, I read an article about it, if we expose the inner workings of our political class, And we show that the level of deceitfulness that is involved in this game of chess, which now people are just saying, well, that's just the way it works. | ||
| That's how it works in the modern world. | ||
| You've got to be cutthroat and you've got to lie and you've got to trick and you've got to do all this shit. | ||
| If we expose them, then what that hopefully is supposed to do is make them reform on their own or create what he called a The idea is you want it to be very expensive to lie. | ||
| And also, he's created a situation where all of them are living in a terrible world of paranoia, which I think is kind of hilarious because, like, Assange has done to Hillary Clinton what the NSA has done to all of us, you know? | ||
| Like, he has all this fucking data and she doesn't know which data he has. | ||
| She doesn't know what he's got. | ||
| A lot of politicians have no idea what WikiLeaks has. | ||
| That's the strategy behind, I think that's the strategy, behind the trickling release of this information, is because it's like the Japanese water torture, little drops, so that every day they have to sit and think, fuck man. | ||
| Did they get those fucking pictures from the Bohemian Grove? | ||
| You know what the rumors are, right? | ||
| Do you know the rumors about the release? | ||
| That there's going to be a bomb dropped on November 1st. | ||
| That's the super awesome conspiracy rumor deluxe of the day. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That on November 1st... | ||
| Anonymous, WikiLeaks, Guy Fawkes himself, someone is going to drop some huge fucking information bomb that's going to make Hillary Clinton... | ||
| The rumor, of course, amongst conspiracy theorists is going to disqualify for the election. | ||
| I don't even know if that's possible at this point. | ||
| Because... | ||
| She got away with that email scandal shit. | ||
| That email stuff would have put anybody else in jail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I posted something on Twitter the other day about a soldier who took photographs with his camera on his phone of some inner workings of a submarine, and he's going to jail because of it. | ||
| Just took photographs of it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| What she did was infinitely worse. | ||
| They're both government officials. | ||
| That soldier and Hillary Clinton are both government employees, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The only difference being, of course, she's elected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, other than that, I mean, he works for the government, but his responsibility to adhere to the rules has way more consequence than hers. | ||
| What she did with those emails, like, no one is denying that it was illegal. | ||
| No one is saying it was fine. | ||
| And her crazy talk about it being 30,000 yoga emails just exacerbates the whole thing. | ||
| It's like, listen, they're going to find out it wasn't really yoga, and then what? | ||
| Then what are you going to say? | ||
| What are you going to say? | ||
| Yeah, there were some yoga emails. | ||
| There was two of them. | ||
| There's two yoga emails, and then there's 28,000 about Benghazi. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Then what happens? | ||
| There's 28,000 about using drones on Julian Assange. | ||
| I mean, she wanted to drone him. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I think... | ||
| She might have been joking. | ||
| I'm not defending either of these creeps. | ||
| They're creepy to me. | ||
| Both of them give me the fucking heebie-jeebies, man. | ||
| Not Julian Assange. | ||
| You're talking about Trump and Hillary, right? | ||
| No, I'm talking about that monster Julian fucking Assange. | ||
| He gives you the creeps? | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| That would be the worst thing! | ||
| I love him! | ||
| I have a plan to help Julian Assange escape. | ||
| I think I know a way to get him out of that fucking embassy if he wanted to leave. | ||
| I know how you could do it. | ||
| How would you do that? | ||
| So here's what I would do. | ||
| You know you see him come out to that little balcony and kind of look out in a sad way. | ||
| He doesn't have an internet. | ||
| Fucking sucks. | ||
| So here's what you do. | ||
| Schedule one of those flash mobs where, I don't know, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000. | ||
| I'm putting my life on the line here. | ||
| Please, fucking Clinton and Trump, don't kill me for saying this. | ||
| I only want everyone to love. | ||
| Get like 10,000 people to gather around that fucking embassy wearing that Guy Fawkes mask, the anonymous mask. | ||
| They're all wearing the anonymous mask and certain outfits. | ||
| Do you have a side business in anonymous masks? | ||
| What? | ||
| Do you have a Guy Fawkes business? | ||
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If you just go to DuncanTrustle.com, you can buy a Guy Fawkes mask. | |
| It goes to my foundation. | ||
| Oh, foundation. | ||
| So the idea is you get them to gather around it in some kind of mask and dress like Julian Assange and then just throw a mask. | ||
| So he like jumps out into this mob of people all dressed like him wearing this fucking Guy Fawkes mask and just vanishes into the crowd. | ||
| Oh, that's a movie. | ||
| That's Mission Impossible, son. | ||
| Yeah, I think it would work. | ||
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That's ridiculous. | |
| Because he's got access to the balcony. | ||
| It means he could get down. | ||
| You just gotta pop a ladder up real quick. | ||
| Everyone's dressed like fucking Anonymous. | ||
| Everyone looks like Assange with the Anonymous mask on. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Pop right off of that fucking balcony. | ||
| Wow, that balcony's so close. | ||
| So close. | ||
| Just dive into a sea of people dressed in the Anonymous masks and get just fucking vanished into time. | ||
| Shave your fucking head. | ||
| Get a face tattoo. | ||
| How does that guy sleep? | ||
| I mean, wouldn't you be freaked out? | ||
| The fact that his door is that close to the... | ||
| I mean, that's where the door is. | ||
| That's where the ground is, right? | ||
| Anybody could just jump up there and climb in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This guy is hated, hated, by some of the biggest world leaders ever. | ||
| That's his little tiny balcony. | ||
| You live in a little embassy in the middle. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks. | ||
| In London. | ||
| And he has to stay in that building. | ||
| You know how he... | ||
| Because when he's in that building, he's on foreign soil, and they can't invade. | ||
| It is insane. | ||
| And he's been there for four fucking years. | ||
| Four years, not going outside. | ||
| You know how that guy fucking sleeps? | ||
| He sleeps like a fucking hero. | ||
| When that guy goes to bed, he goes to bed in the way that somebody who's like, I'm actually trying to help my species. | ||
| Did you ever see him dance? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| Pull up Julian Assange dancing. | ||
| No, there's nothing wrong with him. | ||
| Nothing wrong with this. | ||
| You have to, when you see someone dance like this, you have to always think, oh yeah, that guy dances like this. | ||
| He dances like a goth. | ||
| He's a goth! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with dancing like that. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with dancing like that. | ||
| But you've got to be aware of everything. | ||
| That's something to be aware of. | ||
| This is how Julian Assange dances. | ||
| And he dances by himself like this. | ||
| So, that's another thing. | ||
| You weren't for them, man! | ||
| He's moving out into the dance floor and he's dancing by himself. | ||
| Now, let's be honest. | ||
| He could easily be on drugs, in which case this is all forgivable behavior. | ||
| He's definitely on drugs. | ||
| He may be on ecstasy right now, or molly, or he might be stoned out of his fucking mind on some pot cookies or on acid or something. | ||
| But he's dancing in a very, very strange way. | ||
| It's a goth dance. | ||
| He's doing a goth, gothic dancing. | ||
| No, there's nothing wrong with it, man. | ||
| Look, I dance strange. | ||
| He's fucking weird. | ||
| Check out my other videos. | ||
| I mean, people are weird, you know? | ||
| There's nothing wrong with dancing weird. | ||
| But you should know that. | ||
| Listen, man, because of you, whenever I hear anything about Julian Assange, I do think about that dance video. | ||
| God forbid you. | ||
| My fucking dancing's written. | ||
| God forbid. | ||
| Yes, there's nothing wrong with the way he dances. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| You know, if people think I'm serious, I'm kidding. | ||
| People know you're joking. | ||
| They don't, man. | ||
| People don't. | ||
| I put up a thing today about Flat Earth, and people thought that I was, like, serious about the Flat Earth. | ||
| I put up this thing on Instagram about all the evidence that you're being brainwashed. | ||
| And one of them is if you really believe that the sun is millions of miles away. | ||
| How to tell if you're brainwashed. | ||
| Do you believe the earth is spinning at a thousand miles an hour but you can't feel it? | ||
| You believe the oceans are curving because gravity, in air quotes, but you can't measure it. | ||
| We believe ships disappearing over the horizon are proof of the globe and not due to perspective. | ||
| We believe that pilots would not have to account for the Earth's curvature or spin while flying. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| I gotta tell you, though, man, once I was getting a massage and the massage therapist was a flat earther. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It was the best. | ||
| I mean, it's like, what's better? | ||
| You know, talking massages sometimes suck, but this is like... | ||
| What did she say? | ||
| Well, what's funny about it is as she's like... | ||
| Explaining flat earth theory to me. | ||
| I wanted to argue with her. | ||
| And then I realized my understanding of cosmology is so terrible. | ||
| The persuasive argument against it? | ||
| Because it's like... | ||
| Well, the conspiracy argument is the best because you would think that everybody would have to be in on it. | ||
| Everybody who's ever been a part of space travel, whether it's the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans, anyone who has ever been an astrophysicist has to be in on it. | ||
| That's like one of the best fucking tweets that I ever got from somebody. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Was someone saying I was a sellout because of my flat earth hate and we know where your checks are being cashed? | ||
| They're being cashed from the flat earths? | ||
| They're saying that I'm getting shut up money from the round earth shill fund. | ||
| I'd love to see that meeting. | ||
| That's a fund! | ||
| I'd love to see that meeting where you and Sussman are sitting with these reptilians and they're like, listen Joe, you know the earth is flat, we know the earth is flat. | ||
| They dangle the check in front of you and they go, the earth is? | ||
| And you go, round, sir. | ||
| And you take the check. | ||
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Yes, round. | |
| Next. | ||
| Next. | ||
| George Clooney coming here. | ||
| Let me ask you something. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Round, sir. | ||
| Round. | ||
| For real, man. | ||
| For real, bro. | ||
| If you knew the earth was flat, like, I don't know how you knew, like, fucking Dana White, or the people who run the UFC, they're like, look, man, it actually... | ||
| I'd be the first to tell you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'd be broadcasting you from the roof. | ||
| Let's say you knew the earth was flat. | ||
| It's flat. | ||
| Don't go too far. | ||
| But let's say the lizards did visit. | ||
| Let's say they did visit you. | ||
| What's your price to be a shill? | ||
| Fifty bucks. | ||
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What? | |
| Fifty. | ||
| Fifty? | ||
| Fifty's a good meal somewhere. | ||
| Get a steak, glass of wine. | ||
| I don't ask a lot. | ||
| I don't want to die. | ||
| Look, you guys are lizards. | ||
| You're lizard people. | ||
| You're all powerful. | ||
| You're gonna run this thing anyway. | ||
| 50 bucks. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| You don't want them to think you're unreasonable. | ||
| Oh, he wants 50 million dollars. | ||
| Or we just fucking eat him. | ||
| Dude, I like fishing this stuff out of you because it spawns YouTube videos. | ||
| I think it's really funny. | ||
| From me being a Satanist? | ||
| Yeah, because now someone will... | ||
| Illuminati confirmed. | ||
| Well, you guys are Illuminati because you did that thing at the UFC. We are Illuminati. | ||
| I am Illuminati. | ||
| I am the Illuminati. | ||
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I didn't even know. | |
| I didn't even know. | ||
| I am in the Illuminati. | ||
| It's great, man. | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Do you get good benefits? | ||
| What? | ||
| Benefits? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tell me later. | ||
| What? | ||
| Tell me later about the benefits, maybe? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Don't ask, man. | ||
| What about numerology? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Ooh, interesting. | ||
| Masonry? | ||
| What? | ||
| Are you a Mason? | ||
| A Freemason? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is there any other kind? | ||
| You two guys, you and Ari. | ||
| The kissing part was probably one of the greatest moments in UFC history. | ||
| Yeah, that was great, man. | ||
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Oh, shit! | |
| Can I tell you something I just found out? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| This is actually really cool. | ||
| You should research this. | ||
| Did I tell you about the Cacophony Society? | ||
| No, what's that? | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| So... | ||
| The guys who, like, at least partially started Burning Man were called the Cacophony Society. | ||
| And it was this group of people that do the funniest fucking things together. | ||
| And it's really fascinating. | ||
| They call it culture jamming. | ||
| But, like, for example, they do this. | ||
| Have you ever heard of the Salmon Run? | ||
| No, what's that? | ||
| They dress up in giant salmon outfits and run the wrong way in races. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| So they run towards the crowd? | ||
| They run just the opposite direction. | ||
| So you'll see a marathon and these salmon are running like this. | ||
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There it is! | |
| Oh, that is so funny. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| That's the cacophony. | ||
| They're running upstream. | ||
| They're high-fiving people. | ||
| And people let them go through. | ||
| They're not mad. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's the cacophony society, man. | ||
| That's funny, man. | ||
| But these are the guys who started Burning Man and Chuck Palahniuk. | ||
| That's where he got the inspiration for Fight Club. | ||
| From Burning Man? | ||
| No, the Cacophony Society, because he was in the Cacophony Society. | ||
| He's one of them. | ||
| But their motto is, you may already be a member. | ||
| And anybody can start their own branch. | ||
| But it's really, really funny. | ||
| If you look up all the stuff they've done, man, it's really trippy. | ||
| One of the things they did was... | ||
| They set up clowns at every stop along a bus route so that every time the bus picked people up, it picked up a new clown. | ||
| But the clowns wouldn't acknowledge each other like they just happened to be getting on the same bus. | ||
| How fucking strange. | ||
| It's cool, though, because what it... | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to try to get into their theory about it, because they actually have a pretty deep philosophical... | ||
| It seems to be a fairly deep philosophy that a lot of it's really hard to understand for me. | ||
| But Dadaism is part of it, and this concept of this thing called the zone. | ||
| Actually, Hakeem Bay's temporary autonomous zone is kind of... | ||
| related to this idea that you can create these little bubbles that temporarily sort of where the normal rules of society just don't exist in that moment and so people who get to be in that bubble with you get to experience a kind of respite from the never-ending flow of society which can produce like | ||
| Huge changes in a person's life to suddenly no longer be afflicted with the humdrum normal day-to-day Materialistic consumeristic bullshit that we call everyday life to create a tiny little bubble where that doesn't exist and where you're like there are two rules I don't know if you can call them rules, but their rules are you don't do a cacophonist event for money and you don't do it to promote your religion. | ||
| So you're doing this for no reason other than like subversions for subversion's sake. | ||
| So the profit that you're getting from it is just the incredible moment that you find yourself in a salmon outfit running the opposite way. | ||
| But what it does is it That temporarily disrupts the hypnotic trance that a lot of people are in. | ||
| Like, when they're living, you know, you're just- And this is by design? | ||
| That's what they're trying to do, or they're just having fun? | ||
| It looks like they're just having fun running against the crowd of marathon runners, and they're in salmon outfits. | ||
| Yeah, it is for fun, but then there's like theory behind it. | ||
| So they've actually like, this is something that they've written out and contemplated and acted on. | ||
| There's a great book called Tales of the Cacophony Society that I'm reading that's so fucking funny. | ||
| How long have they been around for? | ||
| They've been around since the... | ||
| They're pre-Burning Man, so I guess they've been around for like mid-80s or something like that. | ||
| And prior to that, there was something called The Suicide Club, which was... | ||
| Or they're an offshoot of this group in San Francisco called The Suicide Club, which was like... | ||
| An actual secret society that if you wanted to be a member, you had to get your affairs in order like you were going to commit suicide. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, it's really cool. | ||
| Yeah, really cool. | ||
| But then the Cacophony Society sort of emerged. | ||
| Their history is fucking hilarious, though. | ||
| The history of them is so funny. | ||
| And if you look at the early Burning Man that the Cacophonists were involved in... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| They have like a drive-by shooting range. | ||
| So like they would like drive in cars blasting at targets. | ||
| Dude, they were launching flaming fucking pianos out of catapults out in the middle of the desert. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And people were getting hurt, man. | ||
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I wonder why. | |
| They were badass. | ||
| It sounds like if Hunter S. Thompson started a religion. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's a great way to put it. | ||
| And I'll tell you, man, he probably knew of them, and if he didn't know of them, he would have been like, oh, I'm one of them. | ||
| You could be one of them, you don't have to even join up. | ||
| We started a branch. | ||
| Today, right? | ||
| When did we start one? | ||
| Well, we just started a second branch. | ||
| I started a branch. | ||
| With who? | ||
| I say I, we. | ||
| Well, it's called the Ukrainian branch of the LA Cacophony Society. | ||
| Why Ukrainian? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why Ukrainian? | ||
| Well, we had the last meeting. | ||
| So we had our final meeting at Gelson's on Hyperion. | ||
| You guys have meetings? | ||
| Well, we had our last meeting. | ||
| So we had the final meeting. | ||
| How many meetings did you have all told? | ||
| One. | ||
| Who's we? | ||
| Me and a bunch of people. | ||
| I just put it out on Twitter. | ||
| Who are the people? | ||
| Me, Brendan Walsh, and then a group of some other people from Burning Man who I know, and then just some people who responded to the tweet. | ||
| And you guys all met at Gelson's? | ||
| In pajamas. | ||
| We met at... | ||
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We met at Gelson's. | |
| We met at the Gelson's noshing and imbibing bar in pajamas. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And then we did... | ||
| We did... | ||
| So the plan was, we met there, we had drinks, and it was so weird driving to do it. | ||
| I'm like, well, you definitely have lost your mind, man. | ||
| You're out of your fucking mind. | ||
| This cacophony idea, it's crazy. | ||
| I don't know why you're fucking doing this. | ||
| So I ended up... | ||
| Thinking like, you know, you feel crazy driving the galsons in pajamas. | ||
| So we fucking, you get there, and all of a sudden the people at the bar are looking like, what the fuck is happening? | ||
| Suddenly there's this group of people standing at the bar in fucking pajamas. | ||
| What do your pajamas look like? | ||
| I wore Captain America pajamas. | ||
| Fuck yeah, Duncan. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| But then what we did is Brendan Walsh, because we had him give this speech, you know, because I was like, everybody, I don't want this meeting, our final meeting, to be caught up in how Brendan Walsh ruined the Ukrainian branch of the L.A. Kikofmy Society, so let's just not think about that. | ||
| And then he gives a speech and he reads the entirety of Tiger Woods' cheating apology. | ||
| Suddenly this dude in pajamas is reading Tiger Woods' cheating apology in front of a group of people in pajamas who, whenever Brendan would say one of Tiger's weird apologies, everyone would applaud and then shush ourselves at the same time. | ||
| So it's like clapping like, shh, let him talk, let him talk. | ||
| And then we sang fucking Do You Want to Build a Snowman from Frozen? | ||
| And then we fucking left. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| Did you film it? | ||
| Well, we have some... | ||
| Yeah, we have... | ||
| Did you have a film of this? | ||
| I have a film of it. | ||
| I'll send it to you. | ||
| I don't know where it is. | ||
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Please do. | |
| It's not online, but yeah, man. | ||
| That's what we did. | ||
| Wear pajamas or bathrobes. | ||
| We will tell stories of the good times our society shared. | ||
| Offer final toasts and sing Do You Want to Build a Snowman? | ||
| Meet at Noshing and Imbibing the Gelson's Bar. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Bring sleeping bags. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is so ridiculous. | ||
| It was really fucking great. | ||
| We were going to do another meeting that we're going to have. | ||
| You are? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| We're going to have a meeting of the new... | ||
| The new branch? | ||
| The new Ukrainian branch of the LA Cacophony Society, but we haven't figured out what that is yet. | ||
| Why is it Ukrainian? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why Ukrainian? | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| The whole point of the thing, though, which is really beautiful. | ||
| All this shit happened because I realized, okay, well, Burning Man was the coolest thing I ever experienced. | ||
| And then I traced that back to the Cacophony Society. | ||
| And then I kept hearing this guy's name, John Law, John Law, John Law. | ||
| So I found him. | ||
| And I emailed him, and then he just wrote back, like, yeah, just call me. | ||
| Here's my number. | ||
| And then I called him, and then we started talking about what the events were like. | ||
| And he said, the main thing about it is inclusivity. | ||
| He's like, this is what makes it so cool. | ||
| If you really form a branch, this is more of an experiment, but if you really do it, then everybody who decides to participate, they come up with their own events. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So, like, everyone's like, alright, we're gonna be doing this next Tuesday. | ||
| If you wanna come, come. | ||
| If you don't, don't come. | ||
| The following Tuesday we're gonna be doing this. | ||
| But there's no, like, pushing people out. | ||
| It's like, whoever wants to be involved, let them be involved. | ||
| And then everyone kind of gathers together in this little weird bubble that forms. | ||
| Which is like, dude, when you're in pajamas at Gelson's, watching people, it's what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| What is the sane way to live, right? | ||
| So when you're in Gelson's, wearing pajamas, singing, do you want to build a snowman, and you look out, and people are kind of like walking with their shoulders down to buy their evening groceries, and they're just kind of like, look over at you, they get the biggest smile on their face. | ||
| They don't know what's fucking happening, we don't know what's happening, but at It feels so cool. | ||
| It's like a really exciting moment of really minor rebellion that has no impact ultimately in the flow of society. | ||
| But in that tiny moment, it's like, fuck, we're in zero gravity here, man. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a coordinated effort like that with a bunch of people in pajamas singing, Do You Want to Build a Snowman? | ||
| Out of nowhere would make everybody smile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's one of those, like, what in the fuck are these guys doing? | ||
| Yeah, and dude, you'd look over, because it was right next to the deli, so people were sitting at the deli pretending to be eating their dinner, but they kept looking over at Brendan giving the Tiger Woods speech. | ||
| But that's the other cool idea that they came up with, man, which was... | ||
| It's like the way we do entertainment right now is so weird because it's like and I guess thank God for it because it's our jobs but like people pay a cover and they go in and there's the audience that sits and the audience and the comedian that talks or the entertainer that talks and there's this weird distance between the two and it's like so that relationship between entertainer and entertained their idea is like let's merge it together so that we're entertaining each other For no reason other than like, | ||
| let's just fucking get together and like see what happens, you know? | ||
| Now, this was a non-risky thing. | ||
| Like a lot of their thing is like, elevate the risk, elevate the risk, elevate the risk. | ||
| The more you elevate the risk, the more it's like a crucible kind of that really brings people together. | ||
| Which is, I think, the idea of taking people out to the fucking desert originally. | ||
| It's like, let's just take a group of these people. | ||
| Launch flaming pianos with a catapult. | ||
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| I want to bring up, before I forget, Brendan Walsh is one of my favorite stunts that he did. | ||
| This gives you an indication of what kind of sense of humor he has. | ||
| He put a fake Whole Foods sign in Silver Lake. | ||
| He wanted people to think that a Whole Foods was coming to Silver Lake. | ||
| I mean, there might be one now, but he did this a long time ago. | ||
| And there was a lot. | ||
| It was an empty lot. | ||
| So he had a sign made. | ||
| With the Whole Foods logo. | ||
| Put Coming Soon on it. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| And he set it up on the fence. | ||
| And people were so psyched. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That is Brendan Walsh, man. | ||
| That's what his sense of humor is like. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| And dude, he... | ||
| That's why when I read this book... | ||
| Look at this right there. | ||
| Look at the top of it. | ||
| Did the Silver Lake Whole Foods hoke prankster reveal his plans on a podcast? | ||
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Oh, genius! | |
| Oh, he did it on What the Fuck with Marc Maron. | ||
| That's when he revealed it, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's so fucking funny. | ||
| He's so funny, man. | ||
| He's such a trip. | ||
| Dude, he commits to this. | ||
| The other thing that he does is he fully commits to this. | ||
| He does a lot of stuff, and he doesn't care if people know. | ||
| And that is, to me, another really cool thing about him. | ||
| He's a funny comic too. | ||
| He's a funny dude. | ||
| All around funny dude. | ||
| Like funny dude for that kind of shit. | ||
| Just the way his mind works. | ||
| What did he do recently? | ||
| He went up somewhere, I want to say it's the improv maybe, and he had them introduce him as one of his friends. | ||
| He went up and he did that guy's act. | ||
| He told that guy's jokes. | ||
| He pretended he was him. | ||
| That's so good. | ||
| He's so fucking silly. | ||
| So silly. | ||
| Yeah, and he commits 100%, man. | ||
| Because when you're standing in fucking pajamas in a goddamn Gelson's reading Tiger Woods' 10-minute cheat speech and you don't back down, it's cool. | ||
| But anyway, yeah, Tales for the Cacophony Society. | ||
| You guys look into it, man, because it's pretty cool. | ||
| And anyone can form a branch. | ||
| Anyone listening, you can start your own branch. | ||
| You could just do it, and it's really fun. | ||
| Sounds like fun. | ||
| I don't know about the Ukrainian thing, though. | ||
| Well, why? | ||
| They might have copyright on that. | ||
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What? | |
| You might not be able to call something Ukrainian. | ||
| Well, that was our last meeting, so it doesn't matter. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, you've resolved your differences with the Ukraine, so we'll let it go. | ||
| Yeah, it's over. | ||
| You know, you were talking about Burning Man before the podcast. | ||
| We were on the phone and we were talking about it and I said, dude, we shouldn't even talk about it until we talk about it on the podcast. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you were ranting about Burning Man as if you had seen the Messiah. | ||
| Ear beating. | ||
| You found Utopia. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, it wasn't an ear beating at all. | ||
| No, it was great. | ||
| Look at that picture. | ||
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That's amazing. | |
| Isn't that fucking cool? | ||
| Right behind that is this incredible, just never-ending field of art. | ||
| And lights. | ||
| All LED lights shining on the fucking art that people are spending all year building for no other reason than to fucking bring it out there and give people just beautiful art. | ||
| I had no idea it was so lit up. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The crazy thing about Burning Man is you can't... | ||
| Capture it in pictures like you've just got to go there because if you see the pictures it kind of seems ridiculous or dusty or whatever, but my god man. | ||
| We should do a documentary. | ||
| Has anybody done a documentary on Burning Man? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, there's tons of people who come there. | ||
| Right, but we should do a documentary on it. | ||
| Dude, how about this? | ||
| Like, we should take someone to Burning Man that would never go to Burning Man. | ||
| I have an idea. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| You just come. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| No documentary. | ||
| You just come, and we'll spend a week having fun there. | ||
| Because, dude, here's an example. | ||
| This is one of my favorite fucking places there. | ||
| It's called... | ||
| So it's all free bars. | ||
| There's just bars. | ||
| People put up free bars. | ||
| It's free booze. | ||
| You can't buy anything there. | ||
| So one of the bars, and forgive me if I say the title wrong, because now it's a little fuzzy in my mind. | ||
| It was my favorite bar, and it was called something like the Ministry... | ||
| Of disinformation, but it's set up to look like an information booth. | ||
| And so we're riding by on these, you ride around bicycles. | ||
| My friends who have been there forever, they're like, dude, go to that bar and they'll just lie to you. | ||
| Like, that's all they do. | ||
| The bartenders just lie to you. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| And you like, so like you said, and they're so good at lying to the point where, because everyone knows that they lie. | ||
| So people come there to get lied to. | ||
| And so like, you go there to get lied to, but they know everyone knows that they're lying and they lull you in to thinking they're done with the lying part, right? | ||
| So like, we're sitting there drinking, me and Cora are sitting there drinking, and like, you know, the guy's like made some pretty obvious lies and then we're drinking, he's like, hey... | ||
| So it really feels like, oh yeah, okay, now we're just talking like friends. | ||
| He's like, so hey, do you guys want to try... | ||
| Some vodka that I homebrew? | ||
| And we're like, yeah, we'd love to try some. | ||
| And so he pours it, and we drink it, and we're like, wow, this is actually really good, man. | ||
| You could probably sell this stuff. | ||
| Are you going to start selling it? | ||
| And he's like, yeah, yeah, we worked out a deal with South Korea. | ||
| You slap an American flag on anything out there, and they'll buy anything. | ||
| And we're like, wait, wait. | ||
| Wait, you're still lying to us. | ||
| Like, you didn't make this vodka. | ||
| You're just lying. | ||
| He's like, no, I'm serious. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| Then he pulls his phone up, and there's pictures of, like, this is the still that I used to build it. | ||
| And it's this ridiculous still that, like, definitely, definitely isn't like a fucking still. | ||
| Like something from the Dukes of Hazzard? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And then you realize, like, oh my fucking... | ||
| And then you're like, you're still lying. | ||
| Like, you haven't been telling the truth. | ||
| And he's like, listen, man. | ||
| I'm not good at lying. | ||
| My friends do this thing. | ||
| I come here. | ||
| I'm not good at lying. | ||
| I just tell the truth when I'm up here. | ||
| I'm like, other people will lie to you here, but I definitely don't do that. | ||
| So they go deep and they commit. | ||
| But it's not malicious. | ||
| It's a very funny thing. | ||
| And that's one tiny little part of it. | ||
| Imagine that spread out Over and over and over and over again with just different types of like bars or art. | ||
| Imagine like, let's say, and you know I don't take psychedelics and if I talk about it on the podcast I do it as a joke because I want to seem cool. | ||
| But imagine if you were in the middle of the fucking desert on psychedelics that had just started kicking in. | ||
| On your bicycle, covered in LED lights, surrounded by other people and blinking LED lights on their bicycles, and you're sitting in front of what appears to be a massive brass, what is either a locust, a firefly, some kind of Grasshopper cricket sculpture on top of another cricket sculpture that has combustible gas exploding out of it. | ||
| And it's like 10 feet, 15 feet high with combustible gas exploding out of it. | ||
| So it's making this... | ||
| Elon Musk has the dopest ride there. | ||
| He's got a yacht that just goes around through fucking Burning Man. | ||
| And he has discos on it, right? | ||
| Yeah, and anyone can get on. | ||
| That's the other thing about it, man. | ||
| The idea of the thing is it's pure inclusivity. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| It's like, this is just everybody sharing. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| It just rides through the desert. | ||
| You climb on, they'll give you drinks, you just like chill out. | ||
| It's like the whole thing is like a gifting economy is what they call it. | ||
| So like everyone's just giving stuff to each other. | ||
| Dude, that sounds amazing. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| It really truly is the fucking best. | ||
| Okay, so here's the question. | ||
| Can this go from here to a city? | ||
| Can you develop a city like this? | ||
| I think the answer to that is, right now, probably not. | ||
| But why not? | ||
| Because it's resource-based. | ||
| It's more like, okay, imagine a flower that once a year blooms. | ||
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Right. | |
| So you could say that's maybe what Burning Man is. | ||
| During the year, lots of people are getting together and planning what they're going to... | ||
| I'm planning with my fucking Burning Man camp, the Enchanted Booty Forest. | ||
| We're planning our art car for next year. | ||
| And that's going to take all year to figure out what it's going to be and how to do it and how to put it together and how to get the money. | ||
| I told you, you spent too much time with Burning Man. | ||
| You've fried your fucking brain. | ||
| It's become your life now. | ||
| Every year is just downtime, downtime, downtime Burning Man. | ||
| Well, I mean, I will say, I mean, I know it truly is the most embarrassing thing. | ||
| I know I sound like that guy in that brilliant YouTube video that someone made parodying the ear beatings that Burning Man people give their friends. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, please pull this up. | ||
| No, we can't play it. | ||
| We'll get yanked. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Look up. | ||
| So look up. | ||
| Look up the YouTube video. | ||
| So how was Burning Man? | ||
| And it's like this guy in fucking goggles and Burning Man attire being like, how was Burning Man? | ||
| You're gonna ask me, how wasn't Burning Man? | ||
| It's a better question. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| Because you really do, like when you're there, you're like, oh my god. | ||
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Yeah, that guy just like ranting to his fucking girlfriend. | |
| That's what you turned into. | ||
| He's got the goggles on, those dirt goggles, which I guess you have to have. | ||
| Did you wear them, like Mad Max? | ||
| Yeah, you have to wear them because they're these fucking dust storms kick up. | ||
| But I'll tell you, man... | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| You have to wear dust goggles. | ||
| Here's the craziest thing about it, though. | ||
| With all that being said, there's a place there called the Temple. | ||
| And a lot of these are built by like... | ||
| The temple... | ||
| I can't remember how much they said it cost to build. | ||
| It might have been like $75,000 or $750,000. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| It's this incredible... | ||
| You can pull it up. | ||
| Look up the Temple Burning Man 2016. Or you can look at all the different versions. | ||
| There, there, there. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So everyone's like, go to the temple. | ||
| But it's really heavy when you go there. | ||
| So we didn't even know what they were talking about. | ||
| So you pedal in and you see people standing in front, like people seem to be crying, people are hugging each other. | ||
| Dude, you go into that thing and it's filled with pictures of people who've died That year before. | ||
| Baby clothes, pictures of dogs, pictures of like... | ||
| It's where people go to burn their... | ||
| To grieve for people who've died in their lives, man. | ||
| And so you walk into that place. | ||
| And this is in the middle of this incredible festival. | ||
| You walk into that fucking place, man, and like... | ||
| You just start crying. | ||
| People in there, because you can feel this nexus of grief bubbling up, and it's the most intense. | ||
| The only time I've ever felt that kind of energy is in a place called Varanasi in India, where they burn bodies there. | ||
| It's that same kind of sweet grief of people mourning. | ||
| But then that's the last thing they burn at Burning Man. | ||
| And whoever's left when they burn it, which is probably like 60,000, 50,000 people, they all sit around it completely silently. | ||
| They sit around it silently. | ||
| You might hear someone playing a flute in the distance or something, but it's just imagine 50,000 people sitting around that thing on fire quietly as embers of all these pictures of people who've died the year before, or whenever they've died, go flying through the air. | ||
| And then when it finally burns to the ground, the entire group of people, they howl like dogs. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, yeah, and that's the end of Burning Man. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| Well, this is growing at a staggering rate every year. | ||
| What's to stop these people from claiming a city? | ||
| Like, if everybody just decided, like, hey, let's all move to Portland. | ||
| If all those people that are Burning Man type folks just decided to try to have the same sort of impact on a community, that's not outside the realm of possibility, right? | ||
| Well, it's already happening. | ||
| Where is it happening? | ||
| Well, it's happening wherever there's people who've been influenced by that festival who come back into the world and try to not be such selfish shitheads when they're in the world, or maybe try not to waste so much stuff. | ||
| It's also happening because you realize, oh fuck, this is not only a festival, this is preparing for the fucking... | ||
| A possible economic collapse, because if we can all get together and survive in the desert, in this way, and work together, then there is a possibility. | ||
| You know, actually, I went to see Alex and Alison Gray. | ||
| They were painting at the Dr. Bronner's camp. | ||
| They were painting a mural there. | ||
| Dr. Bronner's soap? | ||
| Hemp soap? | ||
| Dr. Bronner has a camp there called... | ||
| Yeah, Dr. Bronner's soap. | ||
| They have a camp there called Re-fo-mation, right? | ||
| They basically are just hosing down all these filthy Burning Man people out in the desert to clean them up, right? | ||
| So after they hose them down, they've constructed a tent where there's a DJ playing music, and it's dripping water down, and everyone's naked, dancing. | ||
| And Alex and Alison Gray are painting this beautiful mural in that tent. | ||
| And so like, you know, Cora and I went to visit them and we walked up and like, you know, those guys are so fucking cool, man. | ||
| But then Alex like starts talking to me and he's like, you know what this is, right? | ||
| And I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, Dr. Bronner's family was in Auschwitz where they had the showers. | ||
| And so this is the opposite of the showers at Auschwitz because it's like naked people In real showers, dancing to music in this fucking super loving environment. | ||
| So their idea was to mirror the Holocaust. | ||
| Not that you could do that, but to create a response to it that was like, here's what it could look like. | ||
| Instead of gassing people, there could be a DJ dripping... | ||
| Yeah, that's what they do. | ||
| They spray you down. | ||
| But anyway, man, yeah, like, you know, one of the things Alex Gray was saying is like, this is the seed of a global civilization. | ||
| Well, it seems to be. | ||
| It seems to be that. | ||
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Could be. | |
| There's something going on, man. | ||
| There's a shift. | ||
| There's a consciousness shift. | ||
| I mean, there's far reaches on both sides. | ||
| I mean, there's people that are resisting it hardcore. | ||
| There's a lot of hardcore Trump fans that are resisting illegal immigrants, and they want hardcore Republican values. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are still clinging to that. | ||
| But then there's a lot of people that were going the Bernie Sanders way, too. | ||
| And there's a lot of people that are realizing why you watch these two duke it out like King Kong vs. | ||
| Godzilla. | ||
| What's interesting is the real loser Is the system itself. | ||
| Our confidence in the system. | ||
| Our confidence in the system is at an all-time low. | ||
| And people that are your age and older people, like me, I'm 49, what are you, 43 now? | ||
| 42. 42? | ||
| I think I'm 42. We're like middle-aged folks, whether we like it or not. | ||
| But we grew up with no internet, and then we were exposed to the internet, and now we're seeing things like WikiLeaks. | ||
| The kids of today, they're going straight Wikilinks from fucking high school, right? | ||
| They knew about that in high school. | ||
| They watch all the videos in high school. | ||
| Those are the ones that I get the most upset about when someone posts a video about the flat earth or any kind of fucking stupid shit where you're gonna waste a lot of time paying attention to nonsense. | ||
| The world's goddamn round. | ||
| They have a lot of video of it. | ||
| You can go around it in a satellite. | ||
| You can go around in a jet. | ||
| It's not a fucking hoax. | ||
| Stop thinking about that. | ||
| It's a waste of time. | ||
| There's a lot of other shit to concentrate on. | ||
| But you'll get lost in that. | ||
| You'll get lost in that. | ||
| And that upsets me. | ||
| That pisses me off. | ||
| And I've been responsible for it myself. | ||
| I'm sure on this podcast we've said a lot of shit that turned out to not be true. | ||
| But usually our obsessions are temporary. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| I like what you said, that the system is kind of shortchanging itself. | ||
| It reminds me of... | ||
| I just watched, it's on Netflix now, it's Louis Theroux's Crazy Weekend, I think is what it's called, and you saw the one with Al Sharpton? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he's talking to Al Sharpton, and he's like, I feel like I let you down by not getting arrested. | ||
| And Al Sharpton's response was, you let yourself down by not getting arrested. | ||
| And then at the end of, oh, I don't want to do a spoiler, but spoiler. | ||
| You know what, man, now I'm thinking I didn't see that one. | ||
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I saw a bunch of them I binge watched before you came on the first time. | |
| This episode is about black power people. | ||
| Black lives matter? | ||
| No. | ||
| Before that? | ||
| This is like Nation of Islam. | ||
| One of the guys Louis was hanging out with was a hardcore He hated white people. | ||
| White people are the devil. | ||
| You're the devil. | ||
| But he was actually really sweet at the same time. | ||
| He's really smart. | ||
| This is a guy, I can't remember his name, Dr. Khalid. | ||
| He actually... | ||
| I looked him up because I was really wanting to follow him on Twitter, but he died of an aneurysm. | ||
| But, whoa, what a crazy, hardcore, charismatic guy who wants the United States to give back a swath of land to black people so that they can go live there. | ||
| But, you know, Louis Theroux is such a likable guy. | ||
| That you could see that they were both kind of liking each other when they weren't, you know what I mean? | ||
| And it was really sweet to watch and really cool. | ||
| But you could also see that he was being moved by recognizing how much a lot of these people have gone through and how fucked up it could be. | ||
| And this is before any of this shit happened with the recent police shootings. | ||
| This was another police shooting in 2001. And they were going to go march about... | ||
| And Sharpton was going to get arrested. | ||
| But then... | ||
| So anyway, like... | ||
| Yeah, Sharpton was like, you let yourself down by not being part of this, by not getting arrested. | ||
| It's true, man. | ||
| While these people are up there fighting like those fucking goddamn cats that the crow lured into a fight, while they're up there debating and fighting and our eyes are fixated on that, we can easily lose track of all the stuff that we have definite control over, which is we don't need to be so selfish. | ||
| You don't need to be so selfish, and if you start experimenting with giving stuff away, because you guaranteed, man, there is stuff that you have that you don't need, you literally don't need, like in your garage, that you covet, kind of, like there's shit you covet that you don't need, you're not going to use, or you have like a hoarder mentality where you're like, well, I might sell it one day, or who knows, I'm going to definitely need this vibrating bed one day, or whatever the fucking thing is that you have. | ||
| You don't need it. | ||
| So you could do an experiment where you try to give it away. | ||
| Not to a charity or foundation, but you figure out someone in your community who maybe needs that thing for real. | ||
| Like someone who could actually use it. | ||
| It doesn't have to be some lofty thing either. | ||
| Maybe you got like an old fucking Xbox in your garage and your friend doesn't have an Xbox. | ||
| Give your friend the Xbox, just for fun. | ||
| You could do these little experiments and when you do it, Wow. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| It like is a really great feeling to start offloading shit you don't need into the community of friends and family and people around you who are fucking... | ||
| Some people really need stuff, man. | ||
| And like it won't hurt you at all. | ||
| And so that to me is like when you talk about, well, can we... | ||
| Could Burning Man turn into a civilization? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Like you know who... | ||
| Well, I won't say who it is, but one of my friends was out there and he works out there. | ||
| And I'm like, not high on psychedelics, but I'm looking around and I know he's been going there for a long time. | ||
| And I'm like, could this become society? | ||
| And he's like, no. | ||
| He's like, if these people were out here for more than four weeks, they'd start killing each other. | ||
| He's probably right. | ||
| We're not ready for that yet. | ||
| We're ready for a couple weeks at a time. | ||
| A couple weeks at a time. | ||
| It's only 52 in a year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in the meantime, you can actually just kind of start experimenting with not being selfish. | ||
| Or how about instead of looking at it as a negative, just experiment with being generous. | ||
| Ah, there you go. | ||
| So think of generosity as the ability to drop little love bombs. | ||
| That's how I've always tried to approach it. | ||
| I've seen you do it, man. | ||
| Those aren't little fucking love bombs you leave. | ||
| I've seen some fucking weeping waitresses when I turn back to look as you're walking away, man. | ||
| And that thing that you're doing there... | ||
| That thing that you're doing, that's it. | ||
| That thing, everyone can do that. | ||
| You don't have to be the host of the UFC to be able to... | ||
| God forgive me. | ||
| I tried to explain this to someone who was saying that it was a stupid thing to do. | ||
| I was like, you have to think of... | ||
| They were saying that they're going to expect it Every time a rich person goes there, they're going to expect larger tips, and it's really not proportionate to the service they've given you. | ||
| But you make someone happy. | ||
| You make someone happy, and you don't feel the difference. | ||
| The difference between you leaving one number on a check for a tip, and they go, oh, that was a good tip, or another one, and they go, holy shit, now they feel really good, like they just got a gift. | ||
| That's what the tip thing is. | ||
| The tip thing's a gift. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's a gift. | ||
| It's one of the rare things that we have in our culture where you could express gratitude in a numerical amount. | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying that's the only way to express gratitude because, of course, there's a way to express it with your words and your love and all that good stuff, but you can express gratitude in a tip form where there's a number you can attach to it. | ||
| If the bill is 50 bucks and you leave 50 bucks, people go, holy shit! | ||
| To a lot of people, the difference between $100 in your bank and $50 in your bank, you're probably not going to feel that. | ||
| For some people, you will. | ||
| Some people, you will. | ||
| If you can do it. | ||
| I went to visit my dad in Florida. | ||
| My girlfriend and I, we went to this arcade that gives out tickets. | ||
| One of those arcades that dispenses tickets. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You play fucking skee-ball or whatever. | ||
| It's like a casino for babies, right? | ||
| So it prints these fucking tickets out. | ||
| You take the tickets to the counter, and you get a piece of shit thing that you'll never use. | ||
| Like a nasty... | ||
| Bear made of Chinese asbestos or something, you know? | ||
| So the exchange is dumb anyway. | ||
| So these tickets, we ended up accruing this massive pile of fucking tickets, right? | ||
| And so we're standing there looking at this junk, and then I look down, and I'm sure other people out there have done this. | ||
| There's a kid who's got a tiny little bit of tickets, and he's looking at the candy, the little bit of tickets, and I'm like, hey kid, take this! | ||
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Gave him this huge fucking stack of tickets. | |
| Dude, the look on that kid's face. | ||
| And him and his brother are like, oh my god! | ||
| That, you know, that look is way more valuable than any kind of piece of shit behind the counter, right? | ||
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Of course. | |
| That is the essence of it, man. | ||
| It's like, when you drop these love bombs off, this is not a one-sided thing. | ||
| You're walking away feeling really good, because you know what? | ||
| You just did. | ||
| You impacted a person's week. | ||
| This person might not have money to get their kids fucking groceries that week, man. | ||
| Now they do. | ||
| They might not have been able to make rent. | ||
| Now they can. | ||
| You're walking away having created that shift in a person's universe. | ||
| As temporary as it may be, it's still a shift in the direction of the positive, right? | ||
| So what you've done there, as far as I'm concerned, is a kind of magical act, a kind of miracle. | ||
| And anyone can do this, man. | ||
| Dude, there were people who would go around with spray bottles and just spray your sunglasses off for you, which out in the desert is really important because all the sand gets caught in there and you can't fucking see. | ||
| That's what they had to give. | ||
| It was just helping you in that way, but just that was still fucking cool, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're giving a service to people and they don't expect anything out of it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They're just doing it for love. | ||
| You can do, anyone can do that. | ||
| There is definitely something you can do that you're not doing, and you're not doing it not because you're selfish, you're not doing it just because you haven't even realized you can do it. | ||
| It's like having a superpower that you're not aware of, which is like, fuck, just give something away. | ||
| Like, just give something away. | ||
| You don't need that shit. | ||
| Whatever it is, just give the fucking thing away. | ||
| Super hippie. | ||
| Hello! | ||
| Duncan Trussell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're the anti-Trump. | ||
| When are you going to run for president, Duncan? | ||
| When are you going to run? | ||
| Why don't you do it? | ||
| Why don't you do it? | ||
| Never ask a question or answer a question with a question. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| That's a poor taste. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, man. | ||
| My hope is that you and I will run. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
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Move. | |
| We've got to get out of here before it blows up. | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| Maybe Hawaii. | ||
| Hawaii's going to blow up! | ||
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No, no, no, no, no. | |
| Hawaii's going to be fine. | ||
| This thing, this... | ||
| America. | ||
| You think it'll collapse? | ||
| You think Putin's gonna get us? | ||
| I don't know if this is gonna work, dude. | ||
| I'm looking at this election, I'm like, this thing is just... | ||
| it's too volatile. | ||
| Good, let it fucking collapse! | ||
| What have you said? | ||
| If it fucking collapses... | ||
| What about the children? | ||
| The people are gonna be... | ||
| What about the infrastructure? | ||
| You know, I just had this conversation with Chris Ryan on my podcast. | ||
| We've got to do a shrimp parade soon. | ||
| And he said that he was talking about post, you know, after disasters. | ||
| Everybody gives to each other and people are very kind. | ||
| So if there was some kind of economic collapse, some calamity or something, then I think what people would suddenly realize is like what would happen is the pendulum that swings in front of the eyes of the sum total of all people in this country and convinces us of the importance of this small group of Secretive people. | ||
| Maybe for a second that thing stops swinging and we like look away from it and look at each other and we realize like, oh shit, we've got each other. | ||
| We're gonna be okay. | ||
| The fantasy of the fucking people like Grab your guns! | ||
| Go rob the rich people! | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| The idea that it's gonna be some kind of like the LA riots times a million. | ||
| You're always like, oh no, that's not what it's like at all. | ||
| It's like we can help each other together. | ||
| I can help you. | ||
| You can help me. | ||
| We didn't need them as much as we thought we did. | ||
| Maybe we didn't need them at all. | ||
| We've got the fucking roads. | ||
| There's people who know how to fix roads. | ||
| I know how to do stuff. | ||
| You know how to do You're such a super hippie. | ||
| We need the fucking system, goddammit. | ||
| We need trucks to bring in vegetables. | ||
| We need a sewage system that works. | ||
| We need power. | ||
| We need direct TV. I need programs. | ||
| Programs? | ||
| I need to watch my programs. | ||
| I need my fucking Westworld. | ||
| I need a refrigerator that works, goddammit. | ||
| I do need Westworld. | ||
| I need a hospital that's clean. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| You do need that, but guess what? | ||
| It could still happen. | ||
| It could still happen. | ||
| It can really happen, I think. | ||
| You're such a hippie. | ||
| There's no hospitals in that Burning Man. | ||
| There's just goggles and goggle cleaners. | ||
| Actually, they do have a full hospital at Burning Man. | ||
| I didn't go visit it, but they say they have an urgent care medical facility there that's really nice, and they fucking need it, too, because you think I'm a fucking super hippie, man. | ||
| Do you think they have a checkbox, like, do you have an injury, or are you freaking out, man? | ||
| I'm freaking out, man! | ||
| But no, that's the Zendo project that MAPS is doing. | ||
| So one of the cool things that Doblin is doing is they have a thing called Zendo, which is, it's called Psychedelic Harm Reduction. | ||
| And so they create, like in the Port of Johns at Burning Man, there are these signs that they put up that say... | ||
| Night a little weirder than you expected. | ||
| Come here. | ||
| And so you go to this place and it's like, dude, you gotta have this guy on your podcast. | ||
| His name's Dr. Cole Marta. | ||
| He's a psychiatrist. | ||
| He's like one of the people involved in the MDMA for PTSD Experiments that they're doing there in the phase three of the clinical trials maps is but so he will volunteers at the Zendo, but basically what happens is it's the safe space that Doblin's created Where you go there if you're freaking out and you're like am I gonna get fucking arrested? | ||
| I And they're like, no, man. | ||
| Just sit down and relax. | ||
| And these are trained. | ||
| This guy, Cole Marta, man, they're smart, trained clinicians. | ||
| And if they're not clinicians, they're people who have been through this program who just sit with you and let you freak out without judging you and just sit with you and let you relax until you're having an okay time again. | ||
| And then they let you go back. | ||
| So instead of losing your shit and getting arrested or losing your shit and being around your friends who are like, what the fuck's wrong with you, man? | ||
| You get to be around really smart, trained people who know how to not just Help you relax, but help you use this event to like transform your life. | ||
| Because a lot of times a bad trip is like a transformative moment for someone if they're around the right people. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maps is incredible. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| They've done so much cool shit, and Rick Doblin, just such an interesting guy. | ||
| I've had him on twice. | ||
| Had a chance to talk to him on the podcast twice. | ||
| He's such a fascinating dude. | ||
| He's a warrior, man. | ||
| When you look at the, how much, he spent his entire life, like, you know, we sit here, And we fucking rail against the system and ah marijuana and like ah! | ||
| But Doblin, man, he's like on the front lines. | ||
| Like this guy is like deeply, deeply involved in this. | ||
| He's doing it the right way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's doing it through the system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| It is cool. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Like he was detailing, like getting it passed and what was going to be entailed and getting this therapy through and then what would be next and how it's a long term thing they're doing over long, many, many years. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| He gave like he gave a talk at Burning Man that was just like when you like he's just detailing the like the war on drugs and like why it's happened and what it is and then like his step by step plan. | ||
| And then you realize like this guy is in phase three, phase three of clinical trials, which never happens like with a schedule one substance that theoretically could like. | ||
| The results that they're getting are very good, but if... | ||
| People who have PTSD, if they go to the doctor, the doctor will be like, well, I'll prescribe Xanax, and maybe they'll give you cognitive behavior therapy or something. | ||
| But the idea that there might be a way to give someone... | ||
| MDMA. MDMA mixed in with a specific type of therapy, and that that could actually... | ||
| I don't want to say cure, but... | ||
| Reset their mind. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To lift the weight of this horror off of them, or at least to allow it to, like... | ||
| Doblin explained why he thinks it works. | ||
| I'm not going to try to repeat it, but the idea that this could work for real is just the most incredible thing, man. | ||
| That guy would... | ||
| He should get a Nobel Prize. | ||
| I think he did explain it on this podcast, didn't he? | ||
| Do you remember, Jamie? | ||
| I don't remember either. | ||
| I feel like he did, though. | ||
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I feel like he explained how it works. | |
| Apparently it's something to do with short-term, long-term memory. | ||
| So when you have a traumatic event, it gets stuck in short-term memory. | ||
| Somehow it's looping there. | ||
| It's not getting filed away in the right way. | ||
| God forgive me, everyone listening, Doblin, Colmar, whoever I'm ruining this in front of. | ||
| But apparently something about... | ||
| Revisiting the experience under the influence of MDMA causes it to somehow be refiled in the right part of your brain again, so it's not sticking out in the forefront of your experiences. | ||
| So it's not like the thing isn't always there like a flashbulb light or something. | ||
| Isn't it another thing that's infuriating? | ||
| I mean, that's almost to me as infuriating as Teenagers getting hooked on flat earth videos. | ||
| It's more infuriating even that this has always been there. | ||
| This has always been there. | ||
| This has always been there and they made it illegal and all these people that suffered could have could have gotten relief through this a long time ago. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| A long time ago. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| If they just recognized this early on and been super objective about it, look, we clearly have an issue with PTSD and soldiers and policemen and people that have gone through domestic abuse. | ||
| There's a lot of people with PTSD. This can literally change the course of our nation. | ||
| But to keep up the fucking DEA's corrupt system, to keep up this nasty business of arresting people for the wrong kind of drugs while they're selling drugs everywhere you look, to keep up that system, they literally stopped something that would have helped everybody. | ||
| Man, can I just... | ||
| I mean, I don't work for MAPS. I have no reason. | ||
| Can I do a plug for them real quick? | ||
| So, guys, if you actually want to chip in to something super fucking cool, go to the MAPS website. | ||
| Right now, they are raising money because Doblin has got a manufacturer. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Something like five kilograms of MDMA for the Phase 3 trial. | ||
| So you can go to MAPS and actually chip in. | ||
| To buy ecstasy. | ||
| To get ecstasy, to get MDMA to vets, who are people with PTSD. And it's a really cool thing if you want to chip in money for it. | ||
| It's super fucking cool. | ||
| How often do you get a chance to buy MDMA for people with PTSD? That's amazing. | ||
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Yeah, it's cool! | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's really fucking cool, man. | ||
| MAPS is incredible. | ||
| They have a supply of old MDMA, and I think it's like they can't use anymore. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| They've already raised $148,000. | ||
| Yeah, but they need $400,000 for 5 kilograms of MDMA. Well, let's see what we can do. | ||
| See if we can get some donations going. | ||
| Maps.org. | ||
| This is my kind of telethon. | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
| Come on, folks. | ||
| Let's raise money for MDMA. We're going to be like those annoying people on public radio. | ||
| I was listening to this McKenna interview once, and he was on public radio. | ||
| It was a recording of him on public radio, and it was so annoying. | ||
| It was like, if you enjoy this program, please donate. | ||
| They have that weird way of talking where it's just as gross as a strip club DJ. You know what I mean? | ||
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It's like, there's a way of talking when you're talking about public radio. | |
| If you enjoy this show, you enjoy these programs, please donate. | ||
| We require your donations. | ||
| It's the only way we stay afloat. | ||
| If you appreciate this show, if you appreciate Fresh Air with Terry Gross, that will be coming up later. | ||
| It's the Portlandia affectation. | ||
| No, it's national public radio speak. | ||
| It's, I am a super sensitive guy. | ||
| I am a liberal. | ||
| I am absolutely left. | ||
| I lean left. | ||
| That was what that guy in Canada used to talk about. | ||
| The guy who was accused of beating the fuck out of these girls that he was having sex with. | ||
| Remember that guy? | ||
| John Gomeschi. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| They kicked him off the radio show because all these women were claiming that they had sex with him and he would beat them up and shit. | ||
| Oh, yes! | ||
| I do! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| He would talk like this. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Welcome to the show. | ||
| I gotta go take a leak. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Please go urinate. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| There's no judgment. | ||
| I have to go urinate. | ||
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There's no judgment. | |
| There's no judgment. | ||
| Everything's cool. | ||
| No judgment. | ||
| No judgment here. | ||
| In a few moments, we're going to ask once again that you call the number on the screen. | ||
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| If you enjoy the state of ferns today... | ||
| Which is our new piece that we're working on. | ||
| Love, happiness, and whole foods. | ||
| It's Duncan Trussell and Brendan Walsh. | ||
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They have a piece they're putting together for us. | |
| Duncan's become a super hippie, have you noticed? | ||
| Something's different. | ||
| Burning Man? | ||
| Yeah, they got them. | ||
| I found a hospital they have there. | ||
| This is from 2014, but they have 300 employees in a hospital that has 52 beds. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So it's at an actual hospital. | ||
| Humboldt General Hospital employees come and help people. | ||
| They have tickets for Burning Man too, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think you have to buy them now. | ||
| Doesn't that sound crazy? | ||
| That seems like it doesn't make any sense, but this is the only way to keep people from overwhelming the place? | ||
| Because if you have tickets, that means you can only sell a certain amount of tickets. | ||
| It means Burning Man sells out, right? | ||
| Yeah, well, this service here, the hospital, was paid for by the Burning Man organization. | ||
| It cost $455,000 for that year. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| So that's where that money comes from. | ||
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Oh, so that's where the tickets go. | |
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| They show on their website where it all goes. | ||
| What doesn't make sense, though, is limiting the number. | ||
| Doesn't that seem illogical? | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| I mean, if they allowed 150,000 people in, like, that hospital now is fucked. | ||
| Right, but they would just have to ramp it up based on how many people buy tickets. | ||
| As long as you just keep having tickets, then you'll have more money to spend on more hospitals, and you would just sort of plan it accordingly. | ||
| But maybe they're trying to slowly develop it, where they don't want it to get completely chaotic and out of control, which is what it definitely would do if they had no restrictions whatsoever. | ||
| Duncan, while you were urinating, we were talking about the restrictions on the population at Burning Man, and I found that to be a little bit odd. | ||
| Makes sense that they're selling tickets to it, because we found out how much it cost for the hospital. | ||
| $425,000 for a year or something. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| $455,000. | ||
| $455,000. | ||
| But why wouldn't they just allow more people to buy tickets? | ||
| Why wouldn't they just keep selling tickets? | ||
| Why would it get to a number? | ||
| My guess would be that they have to work out deals with Gerlach and the surrounding areas. | ||
| What's Gerlach? | ||
| Gurlach's the town right before you get to fucking Burning Man that once a year just gets swamped in this huge influx of dough. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| The Bureau of Land Management. | ||
| Oh, Bureau of Land Management is the same thing that manages public land for hiking and fishing and rafting and that kind of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So basically, if you look at that, you could see that because they have given them this... | ||
| Basically, it's a shakedown, right? | ||
| So if you want to do this festival, you are paying us. | ||
| Well, would you say that it's a shakedown or they want to control the population because they didn't want it getting out of control? | ||
| The Bureau of Land Management has a reasonable concern that it could get completely overrun with hippies, and it would be massive chaos. | ||
| There's definitely a reasonable concern, and there's also some maybe, I don't know, perhaps there could be maybe some profiteering happening. | ||
| But here's my question. | ||
| Why wouldn't they make more money by allowing more people in? | ||
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I don't know the answer. | |
| If they really wanted to profiteer, the move is to just say, open the fucking numbers. | ||
| I don't think Burning Man's profiteering. | ||
| No, I'm not saying Burning Man. | ||
| You're saying Bureau of Land Management, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, why wouldn't they just open it up? | ||
| $81 million. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Burning Man's expenses, oh, $30. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| $30,185,000. | ||
| Burning Man was once a scrappy little desert gathering. | ||
| It's become a multifaceted professional operation. | ||
| Today, the Burning Man Project produces the nation's largest permanent event on public land and supports an extensive global network of events, artists, and civic initiatives. | ||
| Man, I can't believe he had so much money. | ||
| Do you want to hear something even... | ||
| $30,185,000. | ||
| What's crazy about it is, when you look down, there's no trash on the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what's really nuts about it. | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| Matter out of place. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Moop. | ||
| Moop. | ||
| So what they do after the festival, they will go from camp to camp looking for where the trash is, and if they find any trash, if someone's, let's say, broken a bottle or something, right? | ||
| They will bring like a team of 11 people in to sift through the sand to get every single bit of glass out of the fucking sand so that it goes back to being just what it was before. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| An alkaline desert. | ||
| And that comes from the cacophonist because one of the cacophonist sayings is leave no trace. | ||
| So the idea is like they go to a place, do their insane thing, and then leave and it's like they were never there before. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Which is pretty trippy to take. | ||
| Dude, that's so Yeah, it's so badass. | ||
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That's amazing. | |
| It's so cool. | ||
| It makes you wonder, like, this didn't exist 30, 40 years ago. | ||
| Like, what's it going to be like 30, 40 years from now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| When people give up the ideas that have sort of imprisoned each generation about keeping up with the Joneses and about belonging to the right country club and about all the things that people strive for. | ||
| Moving up the corporate ladder, you know, all that stuff. | ||
| And clinking glasses, like you're in a fucking Leonardo DiCaprio movie before it takes a turn for the worst. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, that's literally what it is before it all starts getting crazy. | ||
| You're clinking glasses. | ||
| That's what everybody's hoping for. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, we're evolving. | ||
| Everybody's evolving. | ||
| And we're learning a lot of stuff right now. | ||
| And, like, you know, we're learning a lot of stuff. | ||
| And part of, I think, hopefully what we're learning is that... | ||
| Certain things cannot be commodified that there's no way to really put a price on certain things and You know a lot of people there it's not like they're against money or against people making money or anything like that ideas is like Make money spend the whole year making money, but then let's fucking ignite it in the form of your Amazing sculpture that you brought out into the desert. | ||
| The other cool thing is dude when you're looking at these sculptures and You don't see, like, a plaque that's like, this was made by Tim French! | ||
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Follow me, at Tim French! | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No one's signing their fucking work. | ||
| So, like, you're out there and it's like, you're standing underneath some alchemical, like, spherical laser globe that's spinning in a way that the lights make it look like the ground you're standing on is, like, rotating and shifting. | ||
| Who made that? | ||
| Why did they make that? | ||
| How did they get it out in the desert? | ||
| How are they fueling this? | ||
| What the fuck is this? | ||
| There's Tesla coils everywhere out there. | ||
| Tesla coils sparking in the fucking middle of the desert. | ||
| Someone got a Tesla coil out to burn it. | ||
| When you consider getting a Tesla coil into the middle of the fucking desert and then setting it up so it works, I think they have videos of it if you look it up. | ||
| It's pretty cool looking, man. | ||
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That! | |
| That's just sitting out there! | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Just one, just one thing, or like dick slides. | ||
| What is that giant thing, that guy next to the Tesla coil? | ||
| I don't know, I didn't see that. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He has floating eyes, and what's in his hands? | ||
| I don't know, didn't see it. | ||
| They have dick slides, they have like these slides shaped like dicks that you can ride through like your sperm getting shot into a pussy. | ||
| Wow, what a fucking trippy festival. | ||
| It's the coolest thing ever, man. | ||
| They have an entire spectrum of just insanity out there. | ||
| That thing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Fuck, look at that. | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| Look up the catacombs. | ||
| Look up the catacombs. | ||
| These guys made these crazy pyramids out there. | ||
| The catacombs, 2016 Burning Man. | ||
| You should look up, like, the burning... | ||
| Oh, you're not allowed to show it. | ||
| Well, you could show it, but you... | ||
| Show what? | ||
| So these guys made these, like... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| What is that? | ||
| They made these fucking pyramids out there, man. | ||
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I don't think... | |
| I think that's a drawing. | ||
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Like... | |
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Like, with wood! | ||
| There it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And they do this during the time that they're there, and then they burn it. | ||
| They come in early. | ||
| So they come in like three weeks early. | ||
| I'm not sure the exact amount of time. | ||
| They construct this thing and then they just fucking burn it. | ||
| They burn those things in the morning at like 6 a.m. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could see. | ||
| Look at the dust devils that kicked up next to it. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| Whoa, the dust devils are incredible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's wild, man. | ||
| The little dust tornadoes just roam through the camps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, dude, when these dust storms kick up, it's the most beautiful, insane thing. | ||
| It's just all of a sudden out of the blue, everything goes from being completely clear to just being completely obscured with this very fine dust, which is why everyone's got LED lights on, because the lights glow through the dust so that you don't run into somebody. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whoa! | ||
| What a weird choice, though. | ||
| Why wouldn't they choose to do it somewhere where it's, like, nice? | ||
| Well, I think the statement they're making is, we can do this in the middle of fucking death. | ||
| Think of what we can do everywhere else. | ||
| Do you think they did that on purpose? | ||
| No, I think it evolved. | ||
| I think that originally the idea was the cacophonists had this idea of what's called the zone trip, which is that if you take a group of people and bring them out of their natural habitat, then something kind of magical happens. | ||
| And so there's a story of how the first time they went out there, they drew like a line in the sand and they were like, everything After this line is the zone and like that's when that was the first Burning Man is it just was like they just picked a desolate place so they wouldn't get bothered by people because what was happening is I can't remember his name. | ||
| I think it's Larry. | ||
| Will you look up Larry, Burning Man Larry? | ||
| I can't remember his last name, really. | ||
| What? | ||
| Larry Harvey. | ||
| So what was happening is Larry Harvey was going to the beach. | ||
| He went to the beach and they just burnt this like effigy of a man, right? | ||
| They just ignited this effigy at the beach and Larry Harvey Won't say why they did it. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| Everybody wants to know, like, well, what was the reason behind it? | ||
| So, like, they just went and burnt this effigy out there, and then they were doing it, like, I think a few years in a row, and it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and then somehow the Cacophony Society got involved, because it got so big one year, the cops wouldn't let them burn it, and so then they were, like, they ended up scheduling a cacophonist event, I've got the flyer on my phone. | ||
| It's like the Burning of the Man in the Black Rock Desert. | ||
| And so they redid that event and took the Burning Man out there. | ||
| That was the first Burning Man. | ||
| And then they started doing it every year, just like they were doing it at the beach in San Francisco. | ||
| But it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| And then it became like a... | ||
| It was a cacophonist event, basically, that spun out of control. | ||
| And now it's turned into this... | ||
| I think what is one of the largest festivals on earth. | ||
| When is it? | ||
| When does it take place? | ||
| Labor Day weekend. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Like the first week in September, last week in August, somewhere in the summer. | ||
| So it just ended. | ||
| So it just ended a few weeks ago. | ||
| Well, you can look it up. | ||
| I'm not sure the date. | ||
| I could be totally off on that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, either way, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Sounds crazy. | ||
| Sounds amazing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's pretty incredible, man. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| You got to go, man. | ||
| Go next year. | ||
| I feel like maybe I do have to go. | ||
| But when you go, you got to do it right, man. | ||
| Because the problem is a lot of people, I mean, you could do it whatever way you want. | ||
| Are you telling people how to do it? | ||
| I'm gonna tell you how to do it. | ||
| I'll tell you how to not do it. | ||
| How do you not do it? | ||
| Well, you heard what happened to the camp, the white ocean camp out there, right? | ||
| What's the white ocean camp? | ||
| So, there are these camps called, like... | ||
| Do you know what the white ocean camp is? | ||
| I think that's that story. | ||
| I don't want to blow the story, but... | ||
| Blow it! | ||
| Where they cut people's power lines and shit? | ||
| Yeah, because it's like, the problem is, like, there's, like, you could be a little too inclusive there, and so you end up, like... | ||
| Part of what's cool about that thing is, like... | ||
| This is the thing I saw in an interview with Larry Harvey. | ||
| He's like, this is a survival situation, right? | ||
| So it's tough. | ||
| It's not easy all the way through. | ||
| You gotta get out there in a fucking RV. We drove an RV out there, man. | ||
| Not that that's hard or anything, but it's like, when you're driving an RV... Out of Burning Man. | ||
| It's not easy because it's an eight-hour line to get out of Burning Man in the morning in your RV. You're sitting in a fucking RV for eight hours in this massive line of people who are being pulsed out of Burning Man because there's only one road out. | ||
| Is this every time you want to leave through any day of Burning Man? | ||
| No. | ||
| If you leave early, you won't have to wait that long. | ||
| But if you go through the whole festival, it takes that long to get out. | ||
| And so the point is, it's not easy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not necessarily supposed to be easy. | ||
| Like, it's like part of it's really fucking hard and like really tries you for real. | ||
| Like, it's like you're going to get, you know, it's not easy. | ||
| So some people... | ||
| I think that they're people who are subverting the experience a little bit by flying in on a private jet and then being brought to a place that's already been built for them, where they get to hang out. | ||
| And then that place is like, theoretically, it's not so easy for people to get in there. | ||
| Even though White Ocean, one of the things they said was like, well, we're giving food to people. | ||
| There's an embarrassing post one of the guys from White Ocean put up, like, what you did to us? | ||
| And it was like a guy who clearly didn't get the whole point of the thing, which is like... | ||
| Seriously, though, why would they do that instead of just complaining or just talking to them? | ||
| Like, why would they cut their power? | ||
| Why would they make their food spoiled? | ||
| That doesn't seem like a logical choice, right? | ||
| Dude, there's some people... | ||
| Do you think that it was good that they did that? | ||
| Is it a logical choice for me? | ||
| No. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But do you think it makes sense to them that they cut the power and they sabotage these people's food? | ||
| I think that... | ||
| That's what they did, right? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| They fucked up their camp. | ||
| They apparently glued their doors shut and stuff, but... | ||
| That seems contrary to the idea behind the event itself. | ||
| Well, that's the problem. | ||
| There's no one idea at that event. | ||
| You're hearing my perspective. | ||
| Okay, I see. | ||
| Right? | ||
| My perspective is one thing. | ||
| But that ain't the only fucking perspective, dude. | ||
| There's like a bunch of people out there who aren't there for love. | ||
| There's like people who are like... | ||
| I mean, God, have you seen the gladiator ring they have there where they slam people together who fight or the fucking fisting tent or the... | ||
| They have a fisting tent? | ||
| Like fisting in the genital? | ||
| Fisting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have a tent for that. | ||
| They have an orgy tent, fisting tent. | ||
| They have a tent for fisting? | ||
| Yeah, there's a fisting tent. | ||
| I didn't go to it, but I heard about it. | ||
| How would you not go to it if it was there? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| If you build it, they will come. | ||
| Is it one of those things where the only way in is someone's got to fist you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because that would stop me. | ||
| I didn't go. | ||
| Or you could fist them? | ||
| Would you be in a fisting somebody? | ||
| Just to see what it's like? | ||
| I think I can imagine what it's like. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That particular thing doesn't appeal to me. | ||
| But I do like the openness of it. | ||
| And I do like the fact that... | ||
| Eventually, after a bunch of people walking around naked for a week, you stop seeing naked people. | ||
| And one of the people in my camp, it could be a lie, they say they have something called Acceptable Boner Tuesday, where guys will take fucking Cialis and just walk around with fucking boners. | ||
| It's crazy, dude. | ||
| I got my own ideas of it, but there isn't one idea about it, man. | ||
| It's not like a tame... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Orgy dome. | ||
| Rules. | ||
| One, couples and morsoms? | ||
| Morsoms only. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why is that morsoms? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Two, take off your shoes. | ||
| Okay, one, couples and morsoms only. | ||
| Meaning that you can't come in there by yourself. | ||
| Where's the orgy? | ||
| I'm here to fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta bring someone that other people wanna fuck. | ||
| Take off your shoes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Use blue towels under you. | ||
| Ask before you touch. | ||
| Clean up and throw everything away. | ||
| Close and zip both doors. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The orgy dome rules. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| But it's not shocking. | ||
| All those people took a photo of the orgy dome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're like, hey, we fucked. | ||
| It really, though, isn't that big a deal if you think about it. | ||
| We make it a big deal. | ||
| It's not that big a deal. | ||
| It's a big deal because we decide it's a big deal. | ||
| But it's something that everybody does. | ||
| Sex is what either everybody does or everybody wants to do. | ||
| Almost everybody. | ||
| Except the rare few that are actually asexual. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| It's something that everybody does, and yet we make it out to be this horrible sin. | ||
| Yeah, and that's a very, like, if you're into sex, definitely that's a great festival for you. | ||
| Sounds perfect. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of, like, stuff like that that goes on, and everyone's super, like, I mean, I don't, you know, that's the fucking Gladiator Dome! | ||
| So what is that made out of? | ||
| Is that all metal or wood? | ||
| That's metal, I think. | ||
| So you can climb up there and watch as they slam these people together. | ||
| So it's like a Mad Max type thing. | ||
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Yeah, it is. | |
| So they're actually fighting? | ||
| Well, they take these people, put them in these harnesses and these ropes. | ||
| That looks like a guy's getting kicked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is he getting kicked? | ||
| Yeah, he's getting kicked. | ||
| So they swing and they beat the shit out of each other in there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, this is bananas. | ||
| Is there video of this shit or just photos? | ||
| Yeah, there's videos. | ||
| Go right to that, please. | ||
| The battle d- the Thunderdome. | ||
| This is real? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What in the f- they're hitting each other? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're hitting each other with sticks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What are those sticks that they have? | ||
| They're foam sticks, but you could definitely, like, kick pe- I mean, it definitely doesn't feel good. | ||
| Wow, this is nuts, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is really strange. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You can hear these people screaming and yelling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a fucking trip. | ||
| And are there police in this at all? | ||
| There's cops everywhere. | ||
| Cops everywhere in Burning Man. | ||
| There's cops. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Who are the cops? | ||
| What? | ||
| There's cops, like, walking around with cop outfits on? | ||
| There's cops with cop outfits and undercover cops. | ||
| You have to be smart. | ||
| So the cops with the cop outfits, what do they do? | ||
| They just wait for someone to shoot someone or beat somebody up or something? | ||
| Like, so... | ||
| I gotta tell you, man, most of the cops I saw, they seem to be having really funny conversations with people at Burning Man who are just talking to them. | ||
| Some of them are, you know, there are arrests, but from what I saw, it's not like, I think for a cop, after being at Burning Man for three days, I think their perspective starts changing maybe a little bit because they're in this weirdness just like everybody else. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that's naive to say. | ||
| There's undercover cops there and people from my camp said one of the things that people do is they'll go to where there's like a party. | ||
| Or a rave. | ||
| And yeah, there you go. | ||
| Cops on ATVs. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| With titties. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's pretty funny. | ||
| They're just like doing that. | ||
| But like one of the things they do is they'll go to like... | ||
| With Monopoly money, with like fake money and fake plastic bags and do fake drug deals so that suddenly the undercover cops will come out and then they'll follow the undercover cops, you know, because it draws them out. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| They do fake drug deals. | ||
| I don't know if it's true or not. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| With fake money. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| I don't know if it's true or not. | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| Let's end on that. | ||
| Alright, cool. | ||
| You've changed my perspective of Burning Man. | ||
| Good! | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| That's good to hear, man. | ||
| I'm glad we talked about it on the podcast because I'm glad we stopped the conversation on the phone. | ||
| Because you were so adamant about it. | ||
| I'm like, we've got to talk about this. | ||
| I'm glad we did, man. | ||
| Okay, now I'm super compelled. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| See you next year. | ||
| The end. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Awesome, man. | ||
| That was great. | ||
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That was so fun. |
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