Oct. 19, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Participants
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| Two, one... | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yes, Trevor, we're here. | ||
| We're back. | ||
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Yay! | |
| Two years, almost to the day, and we didn't even plan it that way. | ||
| No, it was weird. | ||
| I pulled it up, and I'm like, oh, hey. | ||
| I was here in 2014. Wasn't it October? | ||
| Shit, October 23rd. | ||
| And in two years, something's happened to your beard, where it's a bright yellow that doesn't exist in nature. | ||
| Or it exists in flowers. | ||
| Yeah, flowers. | ||
| It reacts under blacklight as well. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, my Twitter profile picture is under blacklight. | ||
| Yeah, I used to dye my beard crazy fucking colors all the time. | ||
| It was like green, purple, and blue, and all that. | ||
| And I did this neon yellow, and I've always liked it. | ||
| And the girl I was dating always hated it. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Run with it. | ||
| It's my vengeance die. | ||
| What is this crazy shirt you got on, too? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Miskatonic University, you know, Cthulhu, H.P. Lovecraft, and all that. | ||
| This company does, well, they're called Geeky Jerseys, and they do just radical fucking jerseys, so this is like the Cthulhu jersey. | ||
| And it's like a wizard jersey, too. | ||
| Look at the sleeves. | ||
| Oh, no, it's the hockey sleeves. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| It's legit hockey sleeves. | ||
| Yeah, it's goalie cut, so it's a little bit baggier. | ||
| I thought you were a wizard. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they do stuff like Game of Thrones jerseys and all this crazy stuff, and they're just like, hey, you do a lot of talks and you always wear a jersey, so we're just going to start sending you a jersey. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay. | ||
| Well, that's very nice of them. | ||
| Because I always wear hockey jerseys. | ||
| When I was in here, I was trying to be, last time, professional with the polo and all that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, not anymore. | ||
| Was that because you were promoting something? | ||
| You had to be... | ||
| Yeah, I had to be a little bit more clean cut. | ||
| It was like Nat Geo. | ||
| Did they give you like a mandate? | ||
| Or they give you like standards of dress and stuff? | ||
| Not really, but since it was like a pretty professional documentary we were doing, it was suggested very lightly by my publicist. | ||
| And she's just like, well, you know... | ||
| Business casual, maybe. | ||
| Business casual. | ||
| And I'm like, but I wear hockey jerseys and shorts. | ||
| She's like, yeah, no. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| That's why I'm doing it now, man. | ||
| Isn't it funny? | ||
| It's like, you're a legitimate paleontologist. | ||
| You actually do real research. | ||
| Like, why do you have to dress like everybody knows your credentials? | ||
| The thing about that, the crazy thing is, I mean, and there's the whole paleo thing, too. | ||
| It's weird that When you ask somebody, hey, do you know what a paleontologist is? | ||
| A lot of people say yes. | ||
| A lot of people go, hey, like Ross on Friends. | ||
| What's Ross on? | ||
| Oh, Ross. | ||
| Ross. | ||
| I forgot the guy's name. | ||
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I forgot. | |
| He was a paleontologist? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bullshit he was. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| Fucking dude had all that free time. | ||
| He's hanging out in a coffee shop talking about nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, I know, I know like R1 position guys at museums that are doing like full academics. | ||
| They would never have that amount of time. | ||
| They don't have any time. | ||
| No, zero. | ||
| Isn't that fucked? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You can't be a casual paleontologist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I ask them, what does a paleontologist look like? | ||
| When I used to work at the tar pits, I would ask kids on tours and stuff like that, and they're like, oh, he's got a hat and a whip. | ||
| I'm like, they're describing Indiana Jones. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what you wear, right? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, well, I have a neon orange beard and I'm wearing a lab coat and I'm covered in tattoos. | ||
| Do you think I'm a paleontologist? | ||
| And they're like, no, you're like a biker. | ||
| It's like, nope, uh-huh. | ||
| Here's the stuff. | ||
| Welcome to my lab. | ||
| This is my deal going on. | ||
| You can get away with that in 2016, but if you were living in the 1970s, good luck. | ||
| Oh, I would be burned at the metaphorical stake. | ||
| It wouldn't have worked. | ||
| No, it's like because I had long hair and dyed weird colors. | ||
| You know what's funny, dude? | ||
| Like I said, you're a legit paleontologist, but I saw you the other day arguing with flat-earth people on Twitter. | ||
| I'm also a science generalist. | ||
| Like, holy shit, dude. | ||
| You were going to war. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| I checked back an hour later. | ||
| You're still going at it. | ||
| Fuck yeah, dude. | ||
| Yeah, because you threw it out there. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| I see where this is going. | ||
| Well, someone was calling me a flat earth sellout. | ||
| The guy was calling me a sellout because I make fun of flat earth. | ||
| And he's like, I know where your checks are being cash. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
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What? | |
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Like, I'm getting a round earth, like, hey, keep a secret, right? | ||
| Here's your round earth check. | ||
| Here's the shill organization. | ||
| Yeah, imagine if, like, everybody in the media was just getting a check to make sure that you keep perpetrating the lie that the earth is round. | ||
| Like, the logic behind that. | ||
| But it's not just fucking Flat Earth. | ||
| It's like Flat Earth and chemtrails and creationism and moon hoaxers and the reptilians and just all the weird shit, man. | ||
| Well, speaking of chemtrails... | ||
| The flat one is the craziest one. | ||
| Like, everything is round except the Earth. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Like, all the videos have all been faked? | ||
| Every one of them? | ||
| Every space station mission that took video? | ||
| Every space shuttle mission that got video? | ||
| Every satellite that gets photographs? | ||
| All that's fake? | ||
| All of it's fake. | ||
| All of it, everything from the beginning of the 1960s when they first started doing this to today. | ||
| It's all fake? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I've actually gotten to huge fucking debates about that. | ||
| But who? | ||
| Like, people on Twitter. | ||
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Online. | |
| And online. | ||
| Well, and there was one person, God, what was his name? | ||
| So he came into the bar that I bartend at now, and he was talking about it briefly, and he's like, yeah, you know, I heard you on the Joe Rogan program, and it was really cool, and you know, he's like, not really cool with conspiracy theorists and all that. | ||
| And I'm like, no, he gives them, like, equal time. | ||
| He's like, yeah, the whole flat earth thing. | ||
| I'm like, don't even start, man. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's these fucking YouTube videos. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| You watch YouTube videos, and no one's opposing them while they're talking. | ||
| So they're talking very... | ||
| they sound very articulate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're using all these big words, and they're saying things without anybody going, what? | ||
| Stop! | ||
| Stop! | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| And I both blame them and science at the same time. | ||
| How do you blame science? | ||
| Well, a long time ago when we had guys like Richard Hoagland doing the Face on Mars and crazy shit like that, or like early creationists or flood geology or flatter things way in the back, you know, in the backwards time... | ||
| Science would always like shove it off into a corner and go, hey, see the cranks over there? | ||
| Let's ignore them. | ||
| If we ignore them, they'll go away. | ||
| And then we got things like CompuServe and AOL and forums and BBSs and then they got a little louder. | ||
| Then they got access to self-publishing. | ||
| They got a little louder. | ||
| Now with social media, YouTube and all that, the same 5% of humanity can get really fucking loud. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| We didn't shut them down early enough and now they're loud enough That we have a problem. | ||
| Well, Hoagland is out of his fucking mind. | ||
| I watched a whole lecture where he was talking about all of the artificial structures on the moon, and this guy just, he just like arbitrarily measures the distance between this rock and the point of this pyramid, it's not a pyramid, but he would call it a pyramid, right? | ||
| The distance between this rock is exactly the same distance as the pyramid in Giza, the connection to the left foot of the Sphinx, and like, how do you, why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why are you making that connection? | ||
| You could do that anywhere. | ||
| You could do a map of a city and just start. | ||
| The distance between your house and my house is exactly the same as my house to that rock. | ||
| That rock holds special significance. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, oh, your house is on a ley line and mine's off that. | ||
| It's like, no, just stop. | ||
| It was madness. | ||
| I watched this whole... | ||
| It was more than an hour long, and I was watching all these ridiculous connections that this guy was making and trying to say that all these structures, that the odds of them being, you know, some sort of a natural... | ||
| And I'm looking at it, I'm like, that looks like a fucking rock to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was saying, there's, without a doubt, that is an artificially created structure, absolutely made by intelligent life... | ||
| That was the thing with the whole face on Mars when the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter started doing the flyovers, and then he was getting louder. | ||
| Why aren't you going to photograph the Cydonian planes? | ||
| And they're fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| We're redirecting the satellite. | ||
| We're going to do eight passes, high-res photos, the whole deal, and like, oh, look, it's a mountain. | ||
| Well, it's a cool-looking mountain. | ||
| It's a rad-looking mountain. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's got a weird shape on the bottom. | ||
| What's interesting to me, far more interesting than the face, because the face was cool in the first picture because of the shadows and it kind of almost looked like a face. | ||
| And it was also a low-res picture from Viking. | ||
| And then when they got high-res pictures, you go, oh, well, it's just a trick of the shadows and everything. | ||
| What's kind of interesting is what does happen sometimes in nature, you get these bizarre shapes. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Where it almost looks like someone built it. | ||
| Like, it's kind of on both sides, there's parallel lines. | ||
| The way it's shaped, it's almost like a created picture. | ||
| Yeah, look at the hexagonal cleavage at Devil's Post Pile or the Giant's Causeway in Scotland and stuff like that. | ||
| That looks like it's set in, but that's just because it's hexagonal cleavage. | ||
| Or that one spot on Jupiter, you know, that one spot on the top of Jupiter? | ||
| Saturn? | ||
| Yeah, the hexagonal... | ||
| Because of shear winds. | ||
| Yeah, isn't that amazing? | ||
| I talked to a friend that works at JPL, and I'm like, what is going on here? | ||
| It's like, oh, there's different densities of air and shear winds, and it creates this cool hexagon. | ||
| I'm like, that's fucking rad. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, people are like, it's a base! | ||
| It's an intelligent base! | ||
| The same guy who puts out those videos about the flat earth now has a video that you will love, and it's dinosaurs are not real. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Which is right up your alley. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| See, I didn't know that you were also, you were not just a flat earth shill, but you were also a dinosaur shill. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm a dinosaur shill, a round earth shill. | ||
| Yeah, a globe earth shill. | ||
| I work for Chemtrail Corporations. | ||
| Yeah, all these different- What is the, if you could just tell us, what is the purpose of the Chemtrails? | ||
| What are they trying to do? | ||
| It depends on who's talking because they've got like 19 different fucking stories. | ||
| It's like one, it's like mind control. | ||
| The second one is population control. | ||
| The third one is solar radiation management to, you know, to either make global warming or to stop global warming and they fight with each other. | ||
| All it is is bullshit. | ||
| A hundred percent fucking bullshit. | ||
| It's you can download It was the same link that you retweeted out when we did the chemtrail back and forth on Twitter. | ||
| You can get a humidity chart of every day to your location. | ||
| It gives you the range of humidity into the stratosphere. | ||
| And you know when a plane will have a contrail, will have a persistent contrail, and won't have anything. | ||
| It's home fucking citizen science that can be done. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, NASA has a website where they predict contrails, and they're super accurate. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I've ripped people apart with this, and then all of a sudden it's like, well, you got it from NASA, you're a NASA shill. | ||
| Well, you're arguing with 15-year-olds, probably. | ||
| There's a lot of it. | ||
| Oh, no, some of them are. | ||
| Some of them are. | ||
| Oh, speaking of contrails, I got this for you. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Team Chemtrail, baby. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Team Chemtrail. | ||
| Spray and pray. | ||
| Spray and pray. | ||
| On and off. | ||
| There's an on and off button. | ||
| I'm gonna put this on my car. | ||
| People are gonna key it. | ||
| They gotta be mad. | ||
| Fucking chill! | ||
| It's a weird world we live in, Trevor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a weird world. | ||
| This access to self-publishing, whether it's YouTube or blogs or... | ||
| Podcasts. | ||
| You don't need anybody to tell you, like, hey man, we just ran a check on your information, your date is all wrong. | ||
| You could just do it. | ||
| The dinosaur one, this guy made this fucking video about dinosaurs not being real. | ||
| I'm like, this is goddamned hilarious. | ||
| Is that the... | ||
| I think I just... | ||
| So my whole involvement with this on Twitter is I'll take that Darwin's fault. | ||
| I started following... | ||
| TakeThatDarwin, the Twitter handle? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a great Twitter handle. | ||
| Yeah, at TakeThatDarwin. | ||
| He has spawned an entire fucking, like, nest of people. | ||
| There's TakeThatEarth theory fail. | ||
| Whenever somebody says, oh, evolution's just a theory, he jumps in. | ||
| TakeThatSalk for vaccines. | ||
| TakeThatForeskin for circumcision. | ||
| There's like, take that science. | ||
| He's the general one. | ||
| Take that etymology. | ||
| She just does words that people fuck up. | ||
| There's like this whole group. | ||
| He spawned this, this just psychom, you know, science communication. | ||
| Hey, look at the specimen idiots. | ||
| There's like 30 of them. | ||
| And there's also a Take That Dinosaurs that does all the dinosaur retreating. | ||
| There really are. | ||
| It's a growing movement where people don't think dinosaurs were real. | ||
| Well, so it was like last year or the year before, I think maybe right after I did the show last time, there was this bogus group that started a Facebook thing called Christians Against Dinosaurs. | ||
| And they put, like, pictures of a protest and all of their, like, oh no, it's Big Paleo? | ||
| Like, are you fucking kidding? | ||
| It was a total hoax. | ||
| So it was like an Onion-type deal. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Parody. | ||
| But they started to run with it and just, like, have a fun time. | ||
| They found me and a couple other paleontologists on Twitter. | ||
| Then I noticed their entire protest photo was actually photoshopped from a parking protest, I think, in Scotland. | ||
| Because... | ||
| There's this one fun little graphic of no-feathered dinosaurs that paleontologists came up with because we're just crazy people. | ||
| And they use that graphic. | ||
| I'm like, wait a minute. | ||
| And so I found all the artifacts in Photoshop, and I called them out on them, and they just got real quiet real fast. | ||
| There's a big debate about whether or not dinosaurs had feathers, right? | ||
| Yeah, but it depends on the dinosaur. | ||
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Right. | |
| Sort of like depends on the lizard versus depends on the bird. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Many dinosaurs either have evidence of feathers or they are morphologically similar to dinosaurs with feathers. | ||
| Like raptors, we have found feather imprints. | ||
| There's the quill knobs on the ulna where the wings would be. | ||
| And we have found theropods, the beast-footed dinosaurs, with feathers. | ||
| Whether or not they all did is the question. | ||
| Did Tyrannosaurus have feathers? | ||
| Not quite sure yet. | ||
| Likely, maybe as a baby, and then when it grew up. | ||
| But, I don't know, it could be a 14-foot-long chicken. | ||
| There's a replica of a dinosaur. | ||
| I forget which dinosaur. | ||
| I think it's a raptor. | ||
| And it's at the University or the Museum of Bozeman. | ||
| Oh yeah, Bozeman, Montana. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they have this feathered dinosaur up on display. | ||
| It's really kind of interesting because one half of it, they have it kind of split down the middle. | ||
| One half of it is covered in feathers and the other half of it you just see the actual bones itself. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that old invisible human that we had to put together in the 80s. | ||
| Yeah, exactly like that. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find that, Jamie, because it's pretty cool. | ||
| But, you know, they go with all these wild, crazy colors of feathers. | ||
| It's like, it's almost too bad we can't figure out what they really looked like, because we're just kind of piecing together their skin texture and just guessing on the colors. | ||
| Every once in a while, we'll find something awesome. | ||
| Like, there was the mummified hadrosaur Leonardo that actually had... | ||
| Skin and organs that like soft tissue that mineralized and all this cool stuff or feather imprints from Archaeopteryx. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or like interesting looking like beaked dinosaurs like Aqualops and stuff. | ||
| Really cool shit. | ||
| But the problem is, fossils are rare. | ||
| Doing any sort of soft tissue preservation is rare, extremely rare. | ||
| And all the lighter material just kind of desiccates and falls away. | ||
| So when we find something like that, it's holy crap. | ||
| Yeah, just shut everything down and focus on it real quick. | ||
| That's the most fascinating thing about the fossil record to me is how difficult it is to actually make a fossil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most things just rot. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It has to be certain conditions, but most people think, oh, it has to be buried in water and then sand covering it and all that. | ||
| Well, that's one way, and that's a very common way. | ||
| A lot of the stuff in Montana... | ||
| That used to be swampland with the Western Interior Seaway. | ||
| So dinosaurs like T. rex and triceratops, they would get covered in mud and sediment and all that, and the bones would mineralize. | ||
| The calcium on the outside of the bone would get replaced with minerals in the water and the sand. | ||
| And then they would get buried in sandstone. | ||
| It's all cool. | ||
| But then you've got things that can fall into peat bogs, natural trap caves, tar pits like here in LA, and all sorts of other things that create fossils, which are really cool. | ||
| So it's not just mineralization through water. | ||
| That is hard to do. | ||
| It can happen quickly. | ||
| Depending on the limestone, the amount of limestone in the dripping, like you can, there was somebody that like left a boot in a heavily limestone water cave and it calcified like in a matter of weeks. | ||
| But that's not really mineralization. | ||
| That's more like encasement. | ||
| But yeah, fossils are rare. | ||
| To do a fossil is rare. | ||
| Yeah, the concept, I think, also eludes people. | ||
| Most people, when they see a fossil bone, they think that that's the bone itself just really old. | ||
| And what it is, is the minerals have replaced the bone in the actual shape of the bone. | ||
| I tried to explain that to a friend of mine who had a megalodon tooth. | ||
| You know, he's saying, this is a Megalodon tooth. | ||
| And I said, well, it's a fossil of a Megalodon tooth. | ||
| I go, it's not really the tooth anymore. | ||
| None of the tooth remains. | ||
| It's just the shape of the tooth. | ||
| He's like, no, I bought it. | ||
| It's a Megalodon tooth. | ||
| I'm like, but you notice how it's black? | ||
| Like, they don't have black teeth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's one side of it. | ||
| And then the other side of it, you can see it like that. | ||
| It's got like a punk rock hairdo and shit and crazy face. | ||
| It's pretty dope. | ||
| I've actually used the opposite photo in a talk, because it looks like they're humping. | ||
| Yeah, it does, right? | ||
| From one angle. | ||
| Yep, there it is. | ||
| I've used that. | ||
| I have a talk called, That's Not a Fucking Dinosaur. | ||
| And I open up with images of dinosaurs fucking. | ||
| Just because you have to do that. | ||
| Just to be fun? | ||
| Just to be fun. | ||
| Yeah, that is a cool one with all the long hair. | ||
| It kind of looks like the 70s dinosaur. | ||
| It used to be a roadie for Van Halen in the 80s and that kind of thing. | ||
| It's the Skid Row dinosaur. | ||
| Well, it's a crazy looking shape when you see all those colors. | ||
| But again, it's just an artistic interpretation. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| We don't know. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| We get a lot of flack for that. | ||
| It's like, how do you know it looked like that? | ||
| We don't. | ||
| We know how the bones go together. | ||
| We know where the muscle points are. | ||
| So we can figure out the girth of the muscle, the connection points, and then you can kind of build out a leg. | ||
| And then we go to town. | ||
| It's like, hey, maybe they were pink. | ||
| T-Rexes could be pink. | ||
| They could fucking beard color. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Yeah, a couple feathers and skin impressions and stuff like that we've found. | ||
| They may have countershading, like modern-day reptiles and mammals and all that. | ||
| They're darker on top, lighter on the bottom. | ||
| Sharks are a great example of that, because that's hard to see. | ||
| It breaks up the silhouette. | ||
| They had some sort of natural camouflage to blend in with their surroundings if they were an herbivore or to hide as an ambush predator. | ||
| They're animals. | ||
| We can still see analogs today. | ||
| But people want to see, like, how do we know that it looked like this? | ||
| How do we know that it walked like this? | ||
| Well, we don't know 100%, but we can make inferred guesses because we have a shit ton of bones to look at. | ||
| Is there any possibility whatsoever that one day we'll find an intact T-Rex frozen somewhere? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably not, right? | ||
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No. | |
| It's too bad. | ||
| Because, I mean, it's a little different hitting a mammoth that was 30,000 years old, like I did in Siberia, and a 65.5 million year old, 20 foot long, like, walking death machine. | ||
| Little different. | ||
| And there was no, there wasn't a whole lot of ice and not a whole lot of like polar activity during the Cretaceous period. | ||
| That's why there were a whole bunch of water masses like cutting the United States in half. | ||
| And most of California was the Arizona Bay, that kind of thing. | ||
| So finding an intact T-Rex like frozen, like, holy shit, look skin, likely, well, probably highly improbable. | ||
| However, there's a possibility we could find something like a mummified one, like maybe the skin had enough iron content in it and the soil to preserve the soft tissue of the skin and mineralize the skin instead of it desiccating. | ||
| Maybe there was that one-in-a-billion chance that it fell in the right spot and got covered super quick before desiccating into bone. | ||
| And everything mineralized. | ||
| Now, when they go on an expedition, say if you're going to Montana, and you're looking at the Great Western Inland Sea and those areas, and you're trying to find some sort of a fossil, how do you pick where you start digging? | ||
| We do prospecting. | ||
| So we know worldwide there's this tiny layer of iridium. | ||
| It's the Alvarez layer, where the iridium was deposited on the planet when the Chicxulub impactor, that seven-mile asteroid, hit the Yucatan Peninsula, blew everything up, killed everything in conjunction with volcanism and all that. | ||
| But... | ||
| First we look at that because we know that's 65.5, 65.6 million years ago. | ||
| So we go below that. | ||
| We look in places we've already found stuff. | ||
| We go to quarries and previous dig sites and previous locations that we found fossils. | ||
| And we set up camp and we just start spreading out. | ||
| And you walk and look down. | ||
| Sometimes for days and you don't find anything. | ||
| Then all of a sudden you find this tiny little scrap of something. | ||
| Pick it up. | ||
| You lick it. | ||
| If it sticks to your tongue, it's likely a fossil. | ||
| And then you start looking for more of it. | ||
| You lick it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the sophisticated equipment. | ||
| And we lick it. | ||
| Radio, spectrum, telescopes, and fucking things that go through the earth. | ||
| We lick it. | ||
| You lick it. | ||
| Yeah, because the best way to find fossils is from shit eroding from the surface. | ||
| It's the best way. | ||
| And we find a bone, and we're like, okay, it sticks to the tongue, it's a fossil. | ||
| Then let's look upslope, and we find a bone scatterer, and then we kind of sweep away from some dirt, and like, oh, holy shit, there's a broken bone. | ||
| And then we work our way out. | ||
| Sometimes it's just... | ||
| What's left of a single element of an animal that has eroded and fallen down the cliff. | ||
| And other times, you could be on the top of Horse Mountain, sweeping something away, and you run into a brand new, uh, frilled dinosaur. | ||
| That you never heard of before? | ||
| Never, yeah. | ||
| It's like, never seen. | ||
| Utah Ceratops gettii, named after a friend of mine, Mike Getty. | ||
| Uh, he's the one that discovered it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, how many people are out there doing this? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Um, during, uh... | ||
| During the dig season, which is generally late spring to very very early fall, You've got, let's see, the Royal Ontario Museum had a dig out in Alberta with the Cleveland Museum. | ||
| My friend Lee Hall did that. | ||
| You've got natural history museums going out to Montana or Utah, Natural Trap Cave. | ||
| There's stuff going on in Mexico. | ||
| So there's like a big community that goes out and finds stuff. | ||
| I've gone on expeditions here and there. | ||
| The crazy thing is we tend to always go back to the same places. | ||
| Very rarely it's, I'm gonna just wander Colorado and find a dinosaur. | ||
| I think we need to start doing that, though. | ||
| I think we need to start branching out. | ||
| We need to get more people interested in paleo. | ||
| We have to recover the paleo job market because it kind of sucks right now. | ||
| Paleo's been taken over by food. | ||
| Oh, don't even get me started on that. | ||
| Please, please, if anyone's on the paleo diet, please stop calling it the paleo diet because it's not. | ||
| It would be the anthro diet or call it the caveman diet. | ||
| Regardless, no. | ||
| Well, people in the Paleolithic people, they ate grains. | ||
| Absolutely, they ate grains. | ||
| Cut out processed shit, sure. | ||
| It's the wrong name for it. | ||
| Yeah, it's absolutely the wrong name for it. | ||
| Sorry, tangent. | ||
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I fucking hate that. | |
| No worries, but when you say paleo, that's what people immediately think. | ||
| Paleontology. | ||
| I do CrossFit. | ||
| So anytime I mention paleo on Twitter, immediately like five paleo diet bots, like, favorite, retweet, I'm like, Paleo diet bots? | ||
| There's paleo diet bots? | ||
| Yeah, that they look for the word paleo and automatically like it and retweet it. | ||
| What the fuck's the benefit in that? | ||
| So everybody that follows those can see everybody talking about paleo, man. | ||
| So the entire paleontology science communication field on Twitter, whenever we do paleo, it blows apart. | ||
| That's why a lot of them are using the English spelling now with an extra A. Where's the A go? | ||
| After the L. Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's P-A-L-A-E-O. Oh. | ||
| That's like tires. | ||
| T-Y-R-E-S. You know how they use that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or aluminium. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Aluminium's a weird. | ||
| A collure with a U. Collure. | ||
| Theatree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Theatree. | ||
| Theatree. | ||
| Theatree is what people use. | ||
| They use that for fancy places. | ||
| When I perform in theaters, I always have to check to see if it's E-R or R-E. Theatree. | ||
| Theatree. | ||
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Theatree. | |
| That's weird though. | ||
| You guys gave in to the paleo people. | ||
| I think that paleo shit's dying. | ||
| I think you can just ride it out. | ||
| I think it's been replaced with gluten-free. | ||
| Well, Mark Sisson has a better name for it. | ||
| He calls it the primal blueprint. | ||
| He calls it a primal diet. | ||
| Okay, I can see that. | ||
| Yeah, the paleolithic connection to no grains doesn't jive. | ||
| Right, because when humans... | ||
| Started staying still. | ||
| It was because of agriculture, because they found things like wheat and barley and rye and simple grasses and all that they eat, and went, hey, if we take this with us, we can plant it. | ||
| Yeah, or if we stay put, it seems to be growing here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And it's like, oh, well, if we mix the water over there and the dirt over here with these plants, look, the plants spread out. | ||
| It's just one of those things. | ||
| It's like, yeah, they ate grains. | ||
| Yes, they ate meat. | ||
| It's like, okay, I'm a big dude. | ||
| I drink a lot of beer. | ||
| But... | ||
| I have a fairly moderate diet. | ||
| I don't overdo it. | ||
| I'm not snacking on McDonald's and Carl's Jr. and eating ice cream all the time or anything like that. | ||
| You do it in moderation. | ||
| And that's what they did. | ||
| They had a different lifestyle. | ||
| Maybe they could call it the... | ||
| Paleolithic lifestyle diet or the primal lifestyle? | ||
| Because think of the lifestyle. | ||
| Good luck trying to replicate that. | ||
| It's like, fine. | ||
| Go out to the Sonora Desert and do your deal out there because if you're really going to do this diet, don't use a car, don't use a computer, don't use it. | ||
| Oh, it has to be your whole life? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Just fuck it. | ||
| Can't you just do the diet? | ||
| No. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| That seems like a lot of work. | ||
| Hey, that one guy did it, the Year of Living Biblically? | ||
| I didn't see that. | ||
| There was a book that came out. | ||
| God, what was that guy's name? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| My ex-girlfriend had the book on her shelf, and I always wanted to read it, and I never got to. | ||
| Guy lived according to biblical laws. | ||
| Like, did not wear clothes. | ||
| Old Testament? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So no two cloths? | ||
| Yeah, no two cloths. | ||
| Like, couldn't eat locusts and, you know. | ||
| Aw, poor guy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Because Oaxacan food is great, man. | ||
| Wohacan food? | ||
| Yeah, Wohacan food. | ||
| They do crickets and grasshoppers. | ||
| What's Wohacan? | ||
| It's a region down in Mexico. | ||
| Mole. | ||
| Mole is Wohacan. | ||
| Well, I've had crickets down in Mexico. | ||
| We stayed at this hotel and they gave us a bowl of fried crickets. | ||
| It was in the hotel when you got there, like a nice little snack and some fruit. | ||
| Yeah, they're kind of nutty. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't taste bad at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| I served them for a potluck at the Page Museum when I used to work there. | ||
| Were they a hit? | ||
| People were weirded out, but they ate them. | ||
| I did lime chili crickets and a reindeer chili for a Christmas potluck. | ||
| That sounds good. | ||
| Oh, it was great. | ||
| By the way, nice elk cooking. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I need to come over and like... | ||
| I got some elk for you. | ||
| You want some? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I got some in the freezer back there. | ||
| I'll give you some before you leave. | ||
| I'm totally down for elk. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Because the idea of that is just... | ||
| I love venison. | ||
| I love elk. | ||
| I do game cooking as well. | ||
| I don't go hunt it. | ||
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Cool. | |
| It's delicious. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's really cool. | ||
| The best stuff for you, too. | ||
| Now, this whole paleo thing, the paleo movement, put that aside. | ||
| Paleontology, just the word paleontology, it's kind of misunderstood by a lot of people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I think that... | ||
| The study of the past, of trying to piece together all these bones and slowly but surely put together a puzzle of what life was like before people came around, it's really important, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, isn't it kind of an overlooked and underappreciated aspect of science? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Paleontology, the study of ancient life, that's our deal. | ||
| We want to see how we got here, like pre-humans. | ||
| We want to see what life was like going all the way back to the dawn of time, the beginning of the earth. | ||
| Because it gives us an idea of how things change on this planet and how things evolve on it. | ||
| The keys to the past are needed in order to open the doors of the future, I used to say. | ||
| If we know how animals acted, the predator-prey relationships, different ways that these animals were evolving and living on the planet and how the planet changed because of that, because paleontology also deals with paleoclimate, paleobotany, so like old plants, old climates, geology, all of that. | ||
| We're looking into the past of this earth. | ||
| When we're digging in the Ordovician period or the Cambrian, we're looking back, we're opening a time capsule 500 million, like half a billion years. | ||
| That's rad. | ||
| It's pretty fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard to, like, if you don't do it, if you're not into, like, astrophysics, paleontology, geology, and stuff like that, it's hard to get a grasp on what timescale we're talking about. | ||
| We as humans are an eye blink in the geological record of the planet. | ||
| Four and a half billion years old. | ||
| If you were to stretch that all out, the entire history of the Earth on an 88-foot measurement, we would be the thickness of a piece of paper at the very end. | ||
| All of human history, 200,000 years of evolution, from walking upright and planting shit and domesticating animals, all the way to ISS, you know, in orbit. | ||
| All of that, piece of paper at the end of an 88-foot-long ribbon. | ||
| It's crazy to think about how much went on before us. | ||
| That's what's so cool about paleontology. | ||
| It seems like the scale is, for our dumb little brains, it's really difficult to reference it. | ||
| It's really difficult to put it into perspective. | ||
| To think of something 65 million years ago. | ||
| You're like, oh, well, that was a long time ago. | ||
| Well, it was so long ago that people used to be moles. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, here's some weird mole thing, right? | ||
| Here's another one. | ||
| We are actually closer to Tyrannosaurus Rex in time than Tyrannosaurus Rex is to Stegosaurus. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, that'll mess with your head. | ||
| Somebody told me that we are closer in time, that Cleopatra is closer in time to the iPhone than she is to the building of the pyramids. | ||
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| Fuck! | ||
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| Fuck! | ||
| And this'll weird you out, too. | ||
| While the pyramids were being built, woolly mammoths still existed on Wrangell Island. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| There was one place where they were still alive. | ||
| Around 4,000 BC. What killed them on that one island? | ||
| Either overhunting or dramatic climate change, because glaciers were receding, and they could have out-competed themselves. | ||
| And if they didn't have a stable enough population for genetics... | ||
| You'll breed yourselves out of existence. | ||
| Is there a possibility there's any species that we thought were extinct that are still kicking around like in the Congo or something like that? | ||
| Like paleo species like that? | ||
| Well, I mean anything like along those lines. | ||
| Something from, you know, 10,000 plus years ago that we thought was extinct. | ||
| Yeah, the rattlesnakes here in San Fernando Valley. | ||
| Same rattlesnakes. | ||
| Shit, what's the species name? | ||
| They were hanging around the tar pits with saber-toothed cats and all that. | ||
| Animals alive today were hanging out back then. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of the most common animals we found at the pits were bobcats and mountain lions. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Coyotes. | ||
| Rattlesnakes, horned lizards, birds that are still kicking around today. | ||
| There are species that survived the Ice Age because... | ||
| As the glaciers receded, and as the climate changed, and as the predator-prairie relationships changed, it's harder for a saber-toothed cat to go after a horse or a rabbit or anything like that. | ||
| The smaller animals that were able to out-compete them It's lived on. | ||
| It's natural selection in a heartbeat. | ||
| You evolved, you know, the animals adapt to the surroundings that leads to evolutionary patterns, which leads to a species either dying if they're fit too much of a niche, or continuing if they're more broad or more focused on the environment that they're adapting to. | ||
| Look at the panda. | ||
| If we didn't intervene, pandas would be gone. | ||
| They eat a nutrient-poor diet. | ||
| All they eat is bamboo. | ||
| They eat such a nutrient-poor diet that their young, when they birth, their young has to crawl up and start nursing. | ||
| They do basically nothing. | ||
| They're very low-rent, low-energy animals. | ||
| They would have died out. | ||
| But we got involved. | ||
| Should we get involved in that, or should we just let them fucking die off, stupid pandas? | ||
| Figure it out, bitch. | ||
| I mean, isn't that natural selection? | ||
| Why do we think we're so cute that we need to step in and... | ||
| Because we've stepped out of natural selection. | ||
| We can now... | ||
| We have. | ||
| Yeah, humans have. | ||
| Once we started agriculture, we removed ourselves. | ||
| Once we started building buildings, we removed ourselves. | ||
| Hence the flat earth people. | ||
| They didn't die off. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're living longer, and we're rapidly approaching idiocracy, man. | ||
| In a way, we're already there, right? | ||
| With Donald Trump running for president, and all the people that are fucking cheering behind him. | ||
| And even the Hillary Clinton people. | ||
| Some of them are crazy, too, because they're just denying all the crazy shit that she's been involved with. | ||
| All four of them, all five of them, including Macmillan, are just, what the fuck, man? | ||
| I'm voting Cthulhu. | ||
| I want him to rise up and consume the world utterly. | ||
| Screw it. | ||
| Cthulhu for America. | ||
| Speaking of Cthulhu, did you ever see, you know, there's always been those rumors or stories of the Kraken, the legends of the Kraken, of gigantic octopus. | ||
| Did you ever see those fossils that they found of enormous suction cups that they believed might have been a huge octopus type creature? | ||
| No, I've never seen that. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I wanted to bring that up to you because this is something that's absolutely fascinated me because I know that they don't have any hard tissue other than their beaks. | ||
| Their whole body is, you know, they're a mollusk. | ||
| They're this big, fleshy thing. | ||
| With the exception of cuttlefish and ammonites that had a shell or had an internal shell, that's it. | ||
| Yeah, you're absolutely right. | ||
| So they have the beak and that's it. | ||
| Well, they found these huge suction cups that were fossilized. | ||
| The image of these suction cups. | ||
| See if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
| I know we've talked about it before. | ||
| See these things. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| See, they think that these are enormous suction cups from some fucking huge sea monster. | ||
| I thought the caption on the image said something about ichthyosaur vertebra. | ||
| Let's see here. | ||
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What? | |
| The fuck? | ||
| Well, yeah, cephalopods can do that. | ||
| They like to, because they're intelligent, they like to kind of fiddle around. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Crap, what's his name? | ||
| Tony Martin, technologist on Twitter. | ||
| He specializes in trace fossils, like footprints, and what would it look like if a dinosaur threw up and leave that kind of pattern and all that. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| I'll get you a copy of his book. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| He would have a field day with that. | ||
| I would like to know his opinion on that. | ||
| I have to ask him. | ||
| Yeah, it's obviously controversial, but we do know that there are some fucking huge squids. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're finding more and more every day. | ||
| Yeah, the colossal squid and all that. | ||
| I was in London. | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| Just a few decades ago, that was just a rumor. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because we would find scars on sperm whale carcasses and stuff like that. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| Human nature, all of us, especially, you know, you play the telephone game, like you tell a story and then somebody else tells that same, I heard it, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you know, that was the bass you picked up and then that was the swordfish you got on the same trip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What if, what if like these, you know, ancient mariners were pulling up Humboldt squid or like six feet long and dangerous as hell and What if that suddenly got larger and larger? | ||
| But maybe they also dredged up a colossal squid or a giant squid and things like that as well. | ||
| And that birthed the Kraken idea. | ||
| Well, because humans like to see patterns in things. | ||
| It's just what we do. | ||
| Mammoths, mammoth and elephant remains that were found near Greece, they thought were the Cyclops. | ||
| Oh, right, because of the head. | ||
| Yeah, so the ears that would be on the sides, or the eye sockets on the sides, they thought were the ears, and the nasal opening for the trunk, they thought was the central eye. | ||
| Because they have big, stubby hands, huge, recognizable things like femurs and ulnas and radii and fibulas and all that. | ||
| Holy crap, it must be this giant, this 14-foot giant with a single eye. | ||
| The Cyclops was born. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
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| So we have an ability to take things and just run with it. | ||
| But it is rad that, yeah, way back when, like in 85, I was 10. And... | ||
| Yeah, thinking of like giant squids. | ||
| I always like 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea. | ||
| That was my favorite ride at Disneyland before they did the Finding Nemo thing. | ||
| And that's just awesome. | ||
| Because, yeah, what if there are sea monsters? | ||
| And then you start learning about plesiosaurs, and like Chloridon, and mosasaurs, and ichthyosaurs, and all this. | ||
| And you're like, fuck, there are actually sea monsters. | ||
| And then today, you've got sperm whales, blue whales, the largest animal on the planet. | ||
| Basically, Krakens with giant squids. | ||
| That's just cool shit, man. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And they think there used to be giant octopus, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The real theory is that at one point in time, there was a hundred-foot octopus. | ||
| And that this hundred-foot octopus probably jacked a couple of boats. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why would they give a fuck? | ||
| We've only discovered, what, 5% of the ocean? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We know more about the surface of Mars than we do our own deep sea. | ||
| That is so incredible. | ||
| It's like we've mapped a lot of the undersea surface. | ||
| James Cameron has gone down into Challenger Deep and all that cool stuff. | ||
| How freaky that guy is, huh? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| What a freak. | ||
| By himself. | ||
| Yeah, but hey, he's got the money. | ||
| If I had that kind of money, it's like if I did Titanic and Avatar and all that, yeah, I would make my own little bathysphere and go down to the absolute bottom of the earth. | ||
| But how many fucking people do that? | ||
| I mean, how many super billionaires? | ||
| I think he's only the fifth person to ever do that. | ||
| I think the first two people did it in Bathysphere 1, and I think two other people did it after that. | ||
| If it goes bad, it goes so bad. | ||
| Oh, very, very bad. | ||
| Just the amount of pressure you must be dealing with at the bottom of the fucking ocean. | ||
| How many miles deep is he? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's something like 38,000 feet, I think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So he's in the neighborhood of six miles? | ||
| 35,000. | ||
| 35,000 feet. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| The deepest part of the Mariana Trench. | ||
| That is so insane. | ||
| What the fuck is he doing? | ||
| I... So I just got back from Toronto. | ||
| We're going to be at a cruising altitude of 36,000 feet. | ||
| That's just shy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if I was over a plane when he was... | ||
| So if you took a flight over the Pacific while he was in that water... | ||
| He's 65,000 feet below you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at him down there. | ||
| What a freak. | ||
| That's how far he's doing to get away from his wife. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| He's out there looking for monsters. | ||
| Imagine if he did see something. | ||
| There's a really fucking fascinating video of these guys. | ||
| They are in some sort of a vessel, some sort of a submarine, and a whale comes up right next to it and checks it out real quick, and they start freaking out. | ||
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| A two-person submersible. | ||
| To go that deep how the whole thing is those have to be small and very very thick in order to prevent You know explosion. | ||
| Yeah It's like hey crush a beer can that's what happens and everything squirts out the amount of pressure 35,000 feet below the water that must be insane. | ||
| Yeah It's what one atmosphere per Here it is check this out. | ||
| So these guys they're in this thing. | ||
| They're tooling around and Having a good time. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Is that a right whale? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| But the whale comes closer, too. | ||
| The whale's right there with them. | ||
| And then it actually... | ||
| You can see it, like, in this. | ||
| It gets, like, right up to them. | ||
| Fuck, that's amazing. | ||
| That looks like a humpback or, like, a right whale or something. | ||
| It's got, like, the kind of barnacly... | ||
| It's a baleen of some sort, but... | ||
| What a giant animal. | ||
| Dude, I've seen them, like, whale watching, like, off of San Pedro and Channel Islands and stuff. | ||
| That would be spooky. | ||
| Yeah, to be right there. | ||
| I've seen them too. | ||
| I've seen them off of Malibu. | ||
| Around this time of year, right? | ||
| Isn't it around November that they start? | ||
| I think the gray whales are coming. | ||
| Yeah, it's like November, January, March. | ||
| And then the blue whales are in the... | ||
| I think they're in spring, summer. | ||
| The ocean is such a trip. | ||
| Because we're right next to it here. | ||
| And people that live on the coast, like Santa Monica, their houses face the water. | ||
| I mean, they're facing an alien world. | ||
| And that's a whole world out there that's bigger than the world of dirt. | ||
| And it's just largely unexplored. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's really cool to think about. | ||
| And I used to be a diver. | ||
| I used to work at the Aquarium of the Pacific way back in the day. | ||
| And even that, just like diving off of Blue Cavern in Catalina or, you know, walking out into the surf at Leo Carrillo or something like that or doing La Jolla or the golf. | ||
| We are not built for that. | ||
| No. | ||
| And, like, I don't know how many of the millions of people that listen to your show have actually, like, not swam in a pool, but, like, put on gear in order to survive in an alien environment. | ||
| Because that's what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not just snorkeling. | ||
| Like, full-blown scuba gear can get pretty trippy when you're first learning how to do it. | ||
| Because you are entirely reliable on this equipment or you will die. | ||
| You might as well be in space. | ||
| I was just going to say that. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's an alien world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the same thing happens. | ||
| You will suffocate or get crushed or anything like that if something goes wrong and you're at depth. | ||
| Or you'll pop, freeze, and explode. | ||
| And all the liquid will boil off your body and out of it in space. | ||
| It's just horrible shit. | ||
| And we want to go to Mars. | ||
| They're out of their fucking mind. | ||
| I've been mocking them on stage. | ||
| People that want to go to Mars. | ||
| There's no reason for that. | ||
| I mean, if Tony Stark, aka Elon Musk, can do it, he's gonna do it. | ||
| You think he can do it? | ||
| I think he can do it. | ||
| Okay, when we were kids, how fucking cool was it to see rockets land vertically in shows and Flash Gordon and stuff like that? | ||
| He just did it. | ||
| Yeah, he just did it. | ||
| It was a sub-orderable satellite launch with a cargo ship to the ISS or putting a satellite in orbit and then lands vertically a reusable space frame. | ||
| That blows my mind. | ||
| And even beyond that is when the Curiosity rover landed on Mars. | ||
| It flew in. | ||
| Did parachute aero-breaking, jettisoned everything, and then it was lowered on a fucking crane from a flying sky crane thing, and then touched down and then disconnected and flew off. | ||
| A nuclear-powered rover was descended to another planet on a sky crane that was hovering with rockets. | ||
| This is sci-fi come to life. | ||
| It's fucking rad. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| I mean, we live in the future. | ||
| We've got fucking all of the world's information, like, well, if you have an Apple Watch, on your wrist. | ||
| It's getting kind of weird, man. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| And all that is only created by people who don't get laid regularly. | ||
| That's the only way it happens. | ||
| If you get a lot of sex, like Dan Bilzerian, he's not inventing any rockets anytime soon. | ||
| You have to have massive dedication to your task at hand. | ||
| Until the moment where it does land, it's probably really monotonous. | ||
| Yeah, I can see that. | ||
| Check and recheck. | ||
| Tesla was celibate. | ||
| He never... | ||
| He was crazy. | ||
| Oh no, he was batshit insane. | ||
| They think that he destroyed his sexuality. | ||
| That was one of the things that he reported on. | ||
| He fell in love with some woman. | ||
| Now what does that mean by destroyed his sexuality? | ||
| Whether he castrated himself or... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Or just mentally had a breakdown or... | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But yeah, some of his own reports in his memoirs, he only slept four hours a day. | ||
| He worked straight through for 20. He took notes all the time. | ||
| Almost destroyed his lab with like an earthquake machine. | ||
| Weird shit like that. | ||
| But in the same aspect of him being completely batshit insane... | ||
| The reason why we're in the studio right now is because of AC power. | ||
| That was his deal. | ||
| Well, he had so many different just groundbreaking discoveries and innovations and his initial idea to broadcast electricity wireless through the air like radio signals that we could all tune into. | ||
| Like, Westinghouse was like, what? | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You want to build a tower how high in New York to do what? | ||
| Well, he wanted to do it for free. | ||
| He wanted electricity to be free the same way radio is free. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was a trippy guy. | ||
| And funny enough, a lot of the flat-earth jackasses embrace him as, like... | ||
| The whole thing, and he wanted free energy and all that. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, by the way, all of his illustrations about, like, Wardenclyffe Tower and, you know, wireless energy and all that took place on a fucking globe. | ||
| It did, allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| An alleged globe, I'm sorry. | ||
| I would love to play you the dinosaurs are not real video. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| We probably can't play it on YouTube where we'll get pulled, but we can play the audio, right? | ||
| Play the audio. | ||
| We'll put the video up on the screen and play the audio for you, and you could just fucking... | ||
| Your head could turn beet red. | ||
| Smoke's gonna come out of your ears. | ||
| Because the thing is about these videos, and this is the issue that I have with not just videos, but also with blogs. | ||
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People... | |
| You're writing things, and you're not being checked as you're going along. | ||
| So it's just you broadcasting an idea. | ||
| It's not a conversation. | ||
| And because of that... | ||
| You can give off the illusion of expertise without being checked. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Dinosaurs never existed. | ||
| Oh my god, Eric Dubé? | ||
| This is the flat earth guy. | ||
| Yeah, the guy that does 200 proofs the earth is flat. | ||
| That everybody has debunked fucking... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Shills have debunked it. | ||
| Shills are... | ||
| Listen to this guy. | ||
| Don't you dare mention Owens name you asshole Wrong they Pause. | ||
| Every time pause. | ||
| Dinosaurs. | ||
| We discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a century before that. | ||
| So that right there, Eric, you're fucking wrong. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| It's like, don't bring your flat earth bullshit into my profession. | ||
| Now I'm pissed. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Yeah, keep this rolling. | ||
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Keep this rolling. | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| So, that's because we can do things like look at modern analogs and see how teeth are fucking made. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| We know if it's a predator or if it's prey. | ||
| We know if it's an herbivore or a carnivore. | ||
| We know how teeth are fucking built. | ||
| Even back then, even when they're doing naturalistic drawings like this, it's like the megalodon tooth on my arm. | ||
| It is a predator. | ||
| It's obviously a serrated tooth. | ||
| Is it megalodon or megalodon? | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Your emphasis can be on a different syllable. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| It's not like nuclear and nuclear? | ||
| No, no, because it doesn't have two U's. | ||
| But it's spelled the same, but it's like dimetrodon or dimetrodon. | ||
| It's the same thing, megalodon or megalodon. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Yeah, keep doing this. | ||
| what is it 20 minutes | ||
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fuck you you | |
| I'm glad I brought a lot of beer Okay Okay, yeah. | ||
| The reason why we didn't know about things beforehand, because we weren't doing shit like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building fucking pyramids and stuff like that. | ||
| That's why we have different ages. | ||
| And throughout anthropological records, we have the broad age and iron age and all that, because we have to do things like figure out the land around us. | ||
| And when we start finding really old bones, like, Hey, this looks like a really big chicken bone. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Or this looks like a huge human with a single eye. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| We start looking at stuff like that, saying just wholesale fucking bullshit like that. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| But that's what a YouTube video is. | ||
| A YouTube conspiracy theory video is. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| It's one person getting to spill their nonsense and they're unchecked. | ||
| This is why I wanted to play this for you. | ||
| And... | ||
| Response videos can be blocked by the original person. | ||
| They can curate all comments. | ||
| They can only allow certain ones through. | ||
| They can moderate everything. | ||
| Same with a blog. | ||
| Same with all of that. | ||
| They control their own criticism. | ||
| There's a guy right now that a lot of the paleo community is going after. | ||
| His name is David Peters. | ||
| He's a jackass. | ||
| Who's doing stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all of these clades should be in this and just all this crap. | ||
| He wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine, posted it, Which is a violation of copyright because he's attempting to supersede that work by importing his own ideas to it. | ||
| He will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site. | ||
| That's really common though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's really common with people. | ||
| The war of ideas in the comments section, that's where it's being fought. | ||
| Yeah, it's because it's an echo chamber. | ||
| It's like people don't look as, why do people think the world is flat or why do people think dinosaurs don't exist? | ||
| Their Google Boolean search is, dinosaurs don't exist, or creationism is true, evolution is false, the earth is flat, chemtrails exist. | ||
| They're creating their own echo chamber and preaching to their own fucking choir. | ||
| Yeah, and then they have a message board and they go on that message board. | ||
| Massive confirmation bias. | ||
| Anybody that doesn't follow that line gets booted out. | ||
| Let's play more of this because it gets better. | ||
| Because they weren't digging in the fucking earth. | ||
| Because they were all dead. | ||
| There could have been you didn't know what it was. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like the same thing with mammoth cyclops. | ||
| We didn't know what the fuck it was. | ||
| We didn't know it was a massive elephant species. | ||
| We thought it was a giant person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When the first animals were discovered in the La Brea tar pits before 1913, they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died. | ||
| Then they realized, holy fuck, cows don't have nine inch long incisors that are perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things. | ||
| And then you started questioning. | ||
| So the Native Americans and all the people, they were finding possibly scatters of bone and didn't know what it was. | ||
| Did the northern first people start licking bones and rocks? | ||
| No. | ||
| We discovered that. | ||
| You know, science, as it figures out, going, hey, this is porous material. | ||
| If I lick porous material, it's going to stick to my tongue. | ||
| Holy fuck, that's a fossil. | ||
| This kind of... | ||
| The problem with you, Eric, is you are starting from an improper position. | ||
| You are starting on a confirmation bias. | ||
| You are stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist, and you are using pareidolia and apophenia, the ability for humans to find patterns, in order to fit your bullshit... | ||
| And then only cherry pick what belongs. | ||
| That's what he does with fucking Flat Earth. | ||
| And the problem with this is, like I was saying earlier, because now the stupid minority has a voice... | ||
| All, I don't know how many million people subscribe to his fucking channel. | ||
| Every single flat earth dipshit is going to go 61,000 people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Look at that 300,000 views. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Check out the comments. | ||
| Thumbs up, thumbs down are almost identical. | ||
| Look, 3486 to 3493. Are you kidding me? | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| I remember being forced to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone. | ||
| Yeah, that's because it's called consumerism. | ||
| Flat Earth, no dinosaur. | ||
| What's the point in making these? | ||
| Okay, see? | ||
| Good. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Go in there. | ||
| Extremely great research. | ||
| Love this very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Max Haskins, don't breed. | ||
| Don't ruin dinosaurs with facts. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| They were my favorite animal. | ||
| Here's another problem. | ||
| His voice is annoying as fuck. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Let's play more. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I'm gonna open another beer. | ||
| Because we didn't dig. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's because we find the first one and then we're like, holy shit, there must be more of these out there. | ||
| And then the Bone War started between Ogden and Marsh. | ||
| You had the Mantell collection with the first Iguanodon that was found. | ||
| And they put it and they made these really stupid statues and put them in Crystal Palace in London. | ||
| And Mary Anning, one of the first... | ||
| Well, the first female paleontologist and one of the first people to actually find fossils, she discovered the ichthyosaur. | ||
| Mary Anning was the girl from the rhyme, she sells seashells on the seashore, because that's what she did as a child. | ||
| And as she was looking for seashells, she found a skeleton of an ichthyosaur buried in a cliff. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a kid. | ||
| I think she was 12, 13. Holy shit. | ||
| I think paleontology Twitter is going to rip me apart for not knowing the thing. | ||
| But come on. | ||
| I'm hyped up now. | ||
| He's drunk. | ||
| He's hyped up. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Dude, that's one beer. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I've got... | ||
| I don't know how many you had before you got here. | ||
| None. | ||
| People get excited. | ||
| I've got nine more in there. | ||
| I'm going to need them. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| So, Mary Anning discovered ichthyosaurs. | ||
| And once you discover something like that, you want to go around the world and say, hey, where else is this stuff? | ||
| Let's go somewhere that no one has been. | ||
| Which means North America, South America, Tanzania, Belize, all the things that Captain Jackass just rattled off. | ||
| Captain Fuckface. | ||
| Let's call him Captain Fuckface. | ||
| God, fucking fuckwitted shitgibbon. | ||
| Just something. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I stole shitgibbon from a Trump thing. | ||
| Shitgibbon? | ||
| Shitgibbon. | ||
| Like a monkey? | ||
| Like a gibbon monkey? | ||
| I think they're technically apes. | ||
| Gibbons are apes? | ||
| I think gibbons are apes. | ||
| Do they have tails? | ||
| No, I don't believe so. | ||
| Aren't all apes monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes? | ||
| No, apes and monkeys are primates. | ||
| But a monkey is just, it's not a technical term, right? | ||
| It's not a scientific term. | ||
| There was an article that was written that was explaining that all apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| We'll go to that afterwards. | ||
| We'll go to that afterwards. | ||
| Give me one of those beers. | ||
| Let's keep this rolling. | ||
| I want to see how deep we can go with this. | ||
| Eric Dubé character. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What kind do you like? | ||
| Whatever you got, man. | ||
| Have you had a Goza? | ||
| Yes, Wayne Grady. | ||
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| That's because there were two paleontologists going at it against each other, going, I can find the cooler thing. | ||
| No, I can find the cooler thing. | ||
| I'm going to find more shit than you. | ||
| It was called the Bone Wars, Ogden versus Marsh. | ||
| You already talked about this, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was underhanded about it? | ||
| They would... | ||
| each other's digs they would try and yeah steel fossils they were assholes but because of the competition it's it's like a fight when you have one dude that you know two dudes that have been training all their lives and trying to do the whole thing the more amped up one gets the more amped up the others get and it's going to be a fucking just throw down this is what happened on an intellectual and fieldwork scale | ||
| you had two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a burgeoning brand new field that just wanted to get in and roll and And they had direct competition with each other. | ||
| So it's going to be, you know, fuck you, I'm going to find these bones first. | ||
| And it got nasty, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Think of it as Edison versus Tesla, paleontology. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Except Tesla wasn't very aggressive. | ||
| He sort of like let all that shit happen. | ||
| Yeah, true, true. | ||
| Very true. | ||
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Play it. | |
| Keep this going. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Oh, Cope, yeah. | ||
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Cope, Marsh, Ogden. | |
| Yeah, I said Ogden. | ||
| I meant cope my bad fuck you for saying supposedly | ||
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okay Bullshit! | |
| Bullshit! | ||
| Not a falsification or fabrication. | ||
| Turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered. | ||
| So, oh, look, this sauropod femur looks a lot like that sauropod femur, but I found this slightly in a different place, so I'm going to name it a new species. | ||
| Nope, turns out those are both brontosaurus or apatosaurus or triceratops or stegosaurs, anything like that. | ||
| That is just an outright fucking lie that he just said. | ||
| When things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same, it becomes taxonomically what's called a junior synonym. | ||
| So, for example, Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a really long time. | ||
| It's totally mega, mega, no, regardless. | ||
| Whatever the first name for it was, was technically the first discovered name for it. | ||
| But since Tyrannosaurus Rex became the more popular, the more documented, the more thing, That became a junior synonym, or that one actually became what we call nomum obscurum, or the obscure name, no longer talked about. | ||
| But that's what happened. | ||
| It wasn't an outright fabrication. | ||
| It was two dudes finding bones of the same species or type of animal, but not naming it the same thing. | ||
| thing so that's that's an absolute bullshit Eric Dubé outright lie bullshit Bullshit. | ||
| Sue in the Field Museum is not 100% complete, 98% complete, including formerly unknown elements from any other tyrannosaur. | ||
| I believe a commercial paleontology group just found like a 99% or almost a 100% complete dinosaur. | ||
| We have found entireties or near-entireties of animals. | ||
| So he's right by a very small technicality of one or two percentage points. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| But what he's implying is completely misleading. | ||
| He's implying that they're finding a shinbone and drawing a dinosaur around it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But no, we can find 70% of a Tyrannosaurus Rex. | ||
| We know what they look like. | ||
| So yeah, we will use 3D printing or casting of all that. | ||
| Many, and yeah, I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows, or at least everyone should know, Many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates. | ||
| It will be a triceratops. | ||
| The skull will be real. | ||
| Maybe the front half of the animal, some ribs, maybe some tail vertebra or the pelvis will be from one animal. | ||
| We will have to use casts of other triceratops that we have throughout paleontology in other museums. | ||
| Many of the fossils you see on display are casts. | ||
| Now, cast doesn't mean bullshit created on the spot. | ||
| It means, very technically, this is a cast. | ||
| It is a replica of an actual existing bone that was wrapped, made a mold of, and then filled with resin painted to the correct color. | ||
| Of a bone that exists. | ||
| It is not something we are just making up. | ||
| That is bullshit. | ||
| And I hate that when they come in and go, oh, well, look, that's like... | ||
| Plastic. | ||
| Yeah, it's plastic. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Fossils are fucking fragile. | ||
| It takes us weeks to get a single bone out. | ||
| And then it is covered in glue. | ||
| It is wrapped in tissue paper, sometimes tinfoil. | ||
| A shit ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it. | ||
| Then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time or airlifted out in another and put in the back of trucks and then taken all the way to its museum and then cracked open and then prepared. | ||
| Everything has to get leafed off it very carefully, and we're adding more glue as we're going. | ||
| Because if you sneeze wrong on some mineralized specimens, it goes away. | ||
| It just goes boom. | ||
| So you have to work very carefully in a booth with an aerobrator, so you're shooting extremely fine particles, just to get the top millimeter of material off. | ||
| This is hard, detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old that if we're not careful, they fall apart. | ||
| We are not going to wrap something like that in fucking steel and put it up on a mount, especially somewhere, I don't know, like Los Angeles, where things like earthquakes happen. | ||
| Statements like that that he makes are just fucking irritating. | ||
| Keep it going. | ||
| Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Abso-fucking-lutely bullshit. | ||
| Fuck you, Eric. | ||
| I'm a paleo monitor, you asshole. | ||
| I am actually contracted to go out to fucking building sites and make sure fossils are protected and dug up correctly. | ||
| In fact, you know what, jackass? | ||
| I found a whale in downtown LA. Fuck you, Eric Dubé. | ||
| You found a whale? | ||
| I found a whale in downtown LA. Oh, you talked about this the last podcast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You were talking about how they had to shut down construction. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because building construction finds fucking dinosaurs and whales and prehistoric animals, you jackass. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
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Farmers. | |
| So, Sue was found on a guy's farm. | ||
| There have been numerous dinosaurs, numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's farm. | ||
| By the way, there's an entire private area up in Bakersfield called Shark's Tooth Hill where they find Meg teeth, Megalodon teeth, all the fucking time. | ||
| In Bakersfield? | ||
| In Bakersfield. | ||
| It's on private land. | ||
| Farmers, builders, recreational people. | ||
| Yeah, hey, guess what? | ||
| A couple people hiking in Red Rock Canyon up near Palmdale found a trackway from an ancient camel. | ||
| Recreational people. | ||
| Yeah, this happens all the fucking time. | ||
| The reason why it's happening more and more lately is because people know what they're looking for now. | ||
| They understand, wow, there could be shit out here. | ||
| Hey, if we're digging a road, if we're widening the 99 freeway in Fresno, holy shit, we hit a mammoth. | ||
| Or, holy shit, we found a whale in downtown L.A., Like, within blocks of the 110 Freeway in Good Samaritan Hospital. | ||
| I won't tell you where. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| Just wanted a secrecy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just part of the contracts. | ||
| That's the deal. | ||
| Because if you find something there, you can find more shit. | ||
| We found over 400 specimens of shark teeth, whales, or ribcage of a whale, snails, fossil coral, all of this. | ||
| Because downtown LA was underwater 7 million years ago. | ||
| And... | ||
| Yeah, that's, oh my god, that's fucking bullshit. | ||
| Let's keep going. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Found all the time. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Meaning trained motherfuckers. | ||
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Oh, okay. okay. | |
| So it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or silver denarii from the Roman period or a never-before-known pyramid in South America. | ||
| Oh, no, that's cool. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because humans fucking made those. | ||
| But it's completely out of the norm for some kid, some nine-year-old kid, to be walking around Montana and find a mummified hadrosaur. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know why he made that distinction. | ||
| That's a weird comparison. | ||
| It's more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran than it is to find a Megalodon tooth in Bakersfield. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| No, no, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| He's anthropomorphizing this, and he's using an absolutely invalid argument and a logical fallacy. | ||
| He's trying... | ||
| He's trying to... | ||
| It's absolute false equivocation. | ||
| He's trying to go, oh, well, you know, you can't find this stuff because it's super, super old, but you can find this stuff because it's younger, and it's humans, and, you know, people live there, so we'd expect stuff there. | ||
| Well, guess what, asshole? | ||
| There's 65 million years of difference between... | ||
| Humans deciding to write shit down and go, hey, there's a day and a night. | ||
| That means something's ruling the day and the night, God's religion and industry and all that, and dinosaurs eating shit. | ||
| 65 million years. | ||
| We were tree shrews and moles. | ||
| We weren't building shit. | ||
| We weren't writing stuff down. | ||
| Such a false fucking argument. | ||
| God, this guy's a jackass. | ||
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No, it wasn't. | |
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| because we found a bunch of shit there like dinosaur national park so | ||
| Stop saying allegedly, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Yeah, because it's a fantastic site. | ||
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Oh, oh, oh, really? | |
| Really? | ||
| Hey, guess what, Eric? | ||
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Eric? | |
| I ran a lab that we had three and a half million specimens from the Ice Age that goes back 90,000 years. | ||
| So the La Brea Tar Pits, the largest Ice Age mammal collection on the fucking planet, and this stuff isn't mineralized. | ||
| It's actually subsumed with asphalt, keeping the All of the calcium and everything intact. | ||
| These are actual bones. | ||
| When we find a saber-toothed tooth, it's the physical tooth of the animal, which is kind of freaky to think about. | ||
| But saying that, it's like, yeah, we find a lot of shit in places. | ||
| The River of Death in Alberta, when they're digging the pipeline. | ||
| I don't know, Mammoth Hot Springs. | ||
| There are things called death traps and predator traps and sinkholes and natural trap caves and, I don't know, entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs. | ||
| It's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia because a fucking sand dune fell on them while they were tussling around because the V-Raptor wanted to eat the thing. | ||
| That's a rad specimen, by the way. | ||
| You know what's interesting about this guy? | ||
| Is that he knows so much. | ||
| Is that his knowledge of the history of paleontology and of researching dinosaur bones, he knows so much. | ||
| I call bullshit on that. | ||
| What I'm thinking is that he's reading from a script that he cobbled together on fucking Wikipedia. | ||
| I challenge him to go toe-to-toe with somebody in the business. | ||
| I don't know, like me. | ||
| And go, okay, start throwing dates, start throwing specimens. | ||
| I will fucking own you. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| I mean, he's obviously, he knows all these people. | ||
| He knows about the Bone Wars. | ||
| He knows who's in charge of all these different... | ||
| Simple Google search of... | ||
| Largest dinosaur thing found. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to write these three things down on this manila fucking legal pad. | ||
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I understand that. | |
| I'm not saying that it's impressive and that it's conclusive evidence. | ||
| I'm saying it's impressive that this guy has done this much research, but yet still has this ridiculous idea, and he's using this... | ||
| Oh, I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's using all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things, and he's decided this is proof... | ||
| And all he does is put allegedly in front of it. | ||
| It's like, no, sorry, over 6,000 specimens were found there. | ||
| Let's keep going. | ||
| Why do you think it's called the Dinosaur National Monument now? | ||
| It's Keope, actually. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It was called the Tiniest Giants Exhibition. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| Wrong. | ||
| Concentrated planting efforts. | ||
| What did they plant? | ||
| What were the things that they planted? | ||
| There's dinosaur bones that they planted? | ||
| What were the dinosaur bones made out of? | ||
| So that is actually an argument with these jackasses. | ||
| It's like, okay, so Big Paleo, the Big Paleontologist, people like me... | ||
| Big Paleo! | ||
| Like Big Pharma! | ||
| Yeah, like Big Pharma and Big They and all that. | ||
| We're Big Podcast, Jamie. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| We're Big Podcast. | ||
| We're an industry. | ||
| So, they say, they, not in the black man, you know, black helicopter they, but they as in the detractors, state... | ||
| That paleontologists, like me, will create a fossil, whether it's like a cast, or will just make one up. | ||
| And on these expeditions, we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that. | ||
| Well, if that was true, Eric, why is it that when we find something, say in, I don't know, 2008? | ||
| It's not usually written about until, say, 2012. And that's just a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I guarantee you've never read. | ||
| Or it's done as a poster at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I will absolutely guarantee you've never been to. | ||
| And then, the fossil's still in prep at that point. | ||
| We haven't done all the research on it. | ||
| It's still undiscovered fossil found. | ||
| If we are going out and investing all of this money In order to make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that, we would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanships and all of that. | ||
| But we don't. | ||
| We suffer. | ||
| Natural history museums are some of the lowest donated to institutions on the planet. | ||
| Art museums are generally number one. | ||
| There are people that get laid off all the time from museums. | ||
| Museums close. | ||
| If we were making all this money and making all this fame, why are there paleontologists out of a job? | ||
| Why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now? | ||
| Why are there museums that have a problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going? | ||
| That they have to use private donors, that they have to use their board of directors, that they have to go from a county museum to a foundation non-profit. | ||
| Non-profit. | ||
| This is such a line of fucking bullshit that, I mean, that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide. | ||
| This would be one of the largest conspiracies ever, other than, I don't know, moon hoaxes and NASA. Flat Earth. | ||
| Flat Earth and shit like that. | ||
| That's the other one he does. | ||
| Yeah, that is the other one. | ||
| That's the biggest one. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Let's get him on that. | ||
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Son of a bitch. | |
| What, the non-profit business? | ||
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Son of a bitch. | |
| Okay, Eric. | ||
| If that's true, then why do dinosaurs become passe? | ||
| Why does somebody like me, who has been on, I don't know, 13, 14 different television shows talking about paleontology, geology, and all that, I have pitched live dig stuff to BBC and all of that. | ||
| I'm consulting on a couple projects right now. | ||
| Unfortunately, I can't name them. | ||
| But... | ||
| Dinosaurs become passe very, very quickly. | ||
| Because people are like, oh cool, new dinosaurs found. | ||
| Yeah, big deal. | ||
| Or, oh whoa, brontosaurus is back. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| But the mainstream media, as you said, is just, they love a dinosaur story. | ||
| But that's bullshit. | ||
| That's absolute bullshit. | ||
| When was the last dinosaur documentary? | ||
| Yeah, there was... | ||
| What was it called? | ||
| Autopsy of a T-Rex with my friend Tori. | ||
| And that... | ||
| Okay, that was a speculative science show. | ||
| It was like, what happens if we found a T-Rex and cut it open and do an autopsy? | ||
| That was a hit. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Paleontology TV died again. | ||
| Two years ago, I had a two-hour National Geographic documentary about digging up woolly mammoths in that. | ||
| It aired a night. | ||
| There was a little bit of press. | ||
| Fucking done. | ||
| The production company that did the thing with Nat Geo is out of business now. | ||
| Just done. | ||
| It's like, really? | ||
| We're pressured to get this money? | ||
| Then why aren't we making fucking more? | ||
| Why, Eric? | ||
| Am I a bartender, in addition to a paleontologist, in addition to somebody that's on TV, if I'm making all this big paleo fucking money? | ||
| If I'm such a shill, okay, yeah. | ||
| Is that why I'm a month behind on my car payment right now? | ||
| Is that why I'm trying to scrape together rent? | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| He's getting aggressive. | ||
| Oh, I'm very aggressive. | ||
| Fuck these guys. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | |
| The bandwagon effect? | ||
| And crowd behavior? | ||
| Like flat earth bullshit? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're only 7 minutes and 53 seconds into a 29 minute video. | ||
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Oh, fuck all. | |
| We don't have to keep going. | ||
| I don't want you to get too mad. | ||
| I think you kind of made your point. | ||
| You can pull the plug anytime you want. | ||
| But now, it's like one of those Twitter arguments, man. | ||
| Now I'm getting invested. | ||
| I know, that's why I wanted to play it for you. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| You fucking troll me all the time. | ||
| Because we follow each other, we DM each other, and all of a sudden, in my feed, it's like, I have you on note, because we're both verified. | ||
| It pops up. | ||
| And it's just like, Joe Rogan is tweeting about Flat Earth. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
|
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What? | |
| Fuck! | ||
| And then just go for it. | ||
| It's like, you're... | ||
| I mean, like, you know, the podcast and, like, fight commentary and UFC stuff and, like, with your, with, like, Triggered coming out and all that, that's one thing. | ||
| When you rile up the cranks, man... | ||
| You're just, like, you're at the same level. | ||
| Actually, you have, like, how many followers do you have? | ||
| Like, two million. | ||
| Right. | ||
| On Twitter? | ||
| TDD, take that Darwin, like, ten, maybe fifteen thousand. | ||
| I get the same level of riled from both of you. | ||
| Fuck, man! | ||
| We need to fly him out and have him on the show. | ||
| This guy? | ||
| No, no, Eric Dubé? | ||
| Take that Darwin. | ||
| He would be rad. | ||
| Fuck Eric Dubé. | ||
| If he's ever on the show, I want to be outside waiting with a fucking baseball bat. | ||
| Oh, how rude. | ||
| Do you want to be violent with him? | ||
| Almost, almost. | ||
| Don't you want to talk to him? | ||
| I mean, I think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and just sort of picking him apart, because you would realize what he was wrong about, and instead of him being able to just spout off on a YouTube video, he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect. | ||
| Yes, but the problem is, the only reason why I would do that, he will never change his mind. | ||
| Well, he's probably crazy. | ||
| Well, duh. | ||
| He's absolutely crazy. | ||
| But think about it. | ||
| Right now, you have four million subscribers that now know this video exists, that know Eric Dubé's name, that know that paleontologists can get riled up by this guy. | ||
| They're now going to go, look, if any one of your listeners is on the fence about dinosaurs, why would you be? | ||
| But you could have some. | ||
| Those are the people that I would have to try and convince. | ||
| I will never convince him. | ||
| I will mock the living shit out of him until he wants to put himself into a chipper shredder. | ||
| But I will never convince him. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| So all you Psycom people out there. | ||
| We don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements. | ||
| We're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure. | ||
| If we embarrass the living fuck out of these people, those people will go, wow, those guys are idiots. | ||
| Why did I even consider that the world is flat or that dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or Nibiru fucking rogue planets and shit like that? | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Don't talk shit about Nibiru. | ||
| Seriously? | ||
| Don't even, dude. | ||
| Don't even. | ||
| I just had a... | ||
| Well, the Anunnaki were definitely real. | ||
| And they definitely came down, and they definitely made people with pinkies. | ||
| I've seen clay tablets. | ||
| Yeah, Zachariah Sitchin. | ||
| With the drawings. | ||
| They knew. | ||
| They had wisdom. | ||
| Yeah, and Nancy Leder with the implant. | ||
| I don't know who Nancy Leder is. | ||
| Oh my god, really? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| School me. | ||
| That's the queen of Nibiru. | ||
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Oh! | |
| So, since like 1993 or 1995 or something like that, she's claimed that the Zatans, That know about Nibiru and all that. | ||
| Put an implant in her head and she's the only one that can talk to them. | ||
| Imagine if it was true though. | ||
| Imagine you're sitting here mocking her. | ||
| Meanwhile, this bitch has got an implant in her head. | ||
| She's talking to aliens. | ||
| And you're like, God, you think it's real? | ||
| And she's like, I've got a message. | ||
| Well, the thing is, they've been wrong. | ||
| So she actually made a prediction and was totally wrong on it. | ||
| Maybe they're trolling her. | ||
| Why would they tell people what's going to happen and what's going on? | ||
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| We're like little monkeys. | ||
| They're like little monkeys with a lighter. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| And that's actually their argument. | ||
| Their argument. | ||
| But if you do the math, so this rogue planet supposedly has like a orbital period of 3600 years and it goes out, I think it was like 50 AU or something like 50 distances from the Earth to the Sun. | ||
| Yeah, the orbital velocity of that would be in excess of 42.1 kilometers a second, which is the escape velocity of the solar system. | ||
| Any sort of gravitational protuberance that, or sorry, a problem that would have as it approached, I don't know, Pluto or the, uh, or the QPA belt or anything, the orc cloud or anything like that. | ||
| The slightest bit of gravitation would launch it out of the solar system on a who the fuck knows where it's going trajectory. | ||
| There's no way a planet the size of fucking Neptune is cruising in and right behind the sun on a counter orbit to us. | ||
| So according to them, The Earth has stopped rotating. | ||
| It has stopped orbiting. | ||
| It is now just wobbling back and forth, and there's going to be a physical pole shift of the fucking planet. | ||
| Oh, this is this lady? | ||
| Yeah, this is the Nancy shit. | ||
| But there is a planet. | ||
| There's something that they found that's outside the Kuiper Belt, right? | ||
| There is some thing. | ||
| Some object that they believe is four times plus larger than the Earth? | ||
| That is because of outer orbits of outer material wiggles just a little bit. | ||
| Whether it's a twin sun or a dark star or a Neptune-sized planet or anything like that, we don't know. | ||
| That is all speculation. | ||
| I'm going to JPL next Wednesday for a tour and talking to people. | ||
| No one knows because no one's discovered. | ||
| The whole Planet X thing, everyone's like, Planet X was discovered. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| Or Planet 9 or whatever the fuck they're calling it now. | ||
| It was not discovered. | ||
| It was theorized. | ||
| There's a huge difference between hypothesis, a theory, and a discovery. | ||
| A hypothesis of, hey, shit's wiggling. | ||
| That means something may be out there. | ||
| A theory is, hey, we found something. | ||
| We have the facts to back it up. | ||
| We are establishing a scientific theory. | ||
| And between those, you have the discovery of, fuck, we have an image of the planet. | ||
| Or, hey, we see it transiting something. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Right now it's just a theory. | ||
| There's no image of it, but they... | ||
| It's just a hypothesis. | ||
| It's not even a theory. | ||
| They also know that the way the Kuiper Belt responds and then the galactic shelf, the way it ends, it seems to indicate something of a large mass that's outside there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They think it's some insane orbit, like a 33,000-year orbit, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, not a 3,600-year orbit or anything like that. | ||
| So it's really, really, really far away. | ||
| And it's really, really far away, and it wouldn't be a binary system because nothing's, like, figurating through. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe Halley's Comet is. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Just maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not an astrophysicist. | ||
| Maybe on its 75-year trajectory, it's flying so fast it goes all the way out and flings around and comes back. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I mean, well, JPL and guys are like, I'll ask Fred. | ||
| What are you doing Wednesday morning, by the way? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll talk about it after the show. | ||
| Cool deal. | ||
| I might be going with you. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Private tour JPL? Fuck yeah. | ||
| That'd be exciting. | ||
| I know the Mars cartographer. | ||
| Does it sign shit so I won't tell them about fake dinosaurs and shit? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Have to be a shale for the flat Earth? | ||
| Depends if we go in the clean room or not, or see the Mars yard where they fake the Curiosity rover. | ||
| I have a friend who doesn't believe in satellites. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I think satellites are low-flying planes. | ||
| Have you seen that one? | ||
|
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Eddie! | |
| Eddie Bravo? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| By the way, Eddie, guess what? | ||
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I brought a chemtrail sticker for you, too, buddy. | |
| He still hangs on to that chemtrail one heart. | ||
| So, my friend, I was in Atlanta for a convention, and my friend Tommy listens to your podcast. | ||
| He's got the Awakened Primate tattoo. | ||
| I think I sent you a text with a picture on it. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| He's like a really cool dude. | ||
| And he's like, dude, did you hear the Eddie Bravo broadcast? | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| He doesn't believe in science. | ||
| He doesn't believe in dinosaurs. | ||
| He's going fucking chemtrail. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| In his defense, he was quite drunk. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But you get kind of loose and your inhibitions get down. | ||
| Well, he gets excited about secrets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He gets excited about secret societies and these conspiracies and this idea is very attractive to him that dinosaurs aren't real. | ||
| It's all been a scam. | ||
| They've been lying to us, bro. | ||
| He doesn't believe in science because he can't do it. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| Well, it's a pattern of thinking that's attractive to a lot of people. | ||
| This pattern of thinking that you're going to uncover some hidden truths. | ||
| Yeah, because you can be that person. | ||
| You can be that famous person. | ||
| It's like, hey everybody, guess what happened to Geraldo when he opened Al Capone's vault? | ||
| Anybody remember that? | ||
| Yeah, well, that was a chance. | ||
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He took a chance. | |
| But it's the same thing, or opening, but that's... | ||
| But, I mean, not really, because Al Capone's vault was a real vault. | ||
| True. | ||
| And who knows? | ||
| He could have got in there and then... | ||
| There could have been something innocuous, like old whiskey, or there could have been something cool, like a murder weapon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
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But... | |
| But it's along the same lines as you want to be just like scientists. | ||
| We want to find something that's never been found before and name it after ourselves or a Ludvon or really cool scientists of the past and discover a new species or discover a new planet or send a fucking rocket to Mars. | ||
| We want to do that too. | ||
| But it's when you get into the idea of I want to do that and I want to take them down. | ||
| That's when we have the problem because you're not using and everybody wants to say that they're critical thinkers and all that. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| You really aren't. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Any of Joe's listeners that think of any of this shit, you're not doing critical thinking. | ||
| You're cherry picking. | ||
| You're finding patterns to fit your model. | ||
| You're not looking at contrail science. | ||
| You're not looking at simple, simple proof of curvature. | ||
| You're not looking at the fact that museums exist and we have actual dinosaurs. | ||
| I think they think the Earth is flat, but it's kind of got like a hump. | ||
| I think that's the thing. | ||
| I think there's like a little bit of a hump to the Earth. | ||
| I would like to make a very public challenge that any flat Earther advocate, if you show me a photo of Polaris with a timestamp and GPS coordinates of Australia... | ||
| I'll believe flat Earth. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| So, Polaris is the northern star. | ||
| If we think about a flat Earth... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| North Pole here, flat Earth, ice wall, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Polaris would be directly above the North Pole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Australia would be over here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It would be able to look up and see Polaris at night all the fucking time. | ||
| If it was flat. | ||
| If it was flat. | ||
| Because it's a globe... | ||
| Because it's round and the poles are doing this. | ||
| Polaris is up here. | ||
| Hey, guess what? | ||
| You can't see through the fucking earth and see Polaris. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| It's a version of the flat earth that they think might... | ||
| Who's they? | ||
| One of the flat earth theorists. | ||
| So this is what they think it is? | ||
| It's like a dip in the middle. | ||
| And if you go further out, it's a scoop. | ||
| So why would it be like a cigar ashtray? | ||
| This is what it is, like a cigar ashtray that's floating in the sky? | ||
| That's based on biblical, because you have the quote-unquote four corners of the earth held aloft by angels, your flat motion is through space. | ||
| Totally logical. | ||
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Yeah, you know, I... Where are the penguins? | |
| Above or below? | ||
| All around. | ||
| All around. | ||
| But are they in the north or the south pole? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| So, yeah, um... | ||
| Pull up. | ||
| Oh, that's what it looks like? | ||
| That's one of them. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| That's a fun one. | ||
| It's like turtles all the way down. | ||
| It looks like a chocolate chip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, go. | ||
| So, okay, Flat Earthers, what's on the other side? | ||
| How come we can actually... | ||
| And they say no flights over the South Pole. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| There are. | ||
| There are absolutely flights over the ice continent. | ||
| It's like none of the travel times of aircraft work on a flat earth. | ||
| But is it disturbing to you? | ||
| Because it's disturbing to me that this was not an issue three years ago. | ||
| You never heard about this three years ago. | ||
| Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's a bunch of people that... | ||
| If I make a tweet about the Flat Earth or mock something or put up a video, I will get hundreds and hundreds of fucking morons. | ||
| I know. | ||
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Yeah, you know, because you've gotten into it with them. | |
| Sometimes I do it, and when I see you in there, I go, yes! | ||
| I know it, I know it. | ||
| And I know I can move away. | ||
| I'm waiting for the text message of like, hey Trev, check my feed. | ||
| I just let it happen, man. | ||
| If you want to look, it's up to you. | ||
| I don't want to bait you in. | ||
| No, I'm going to have to turn off notifications from you. | ||
| I love you, man, but wow. | ||
| I love you too, but it's fun to watch you squirm. | ||
| You get mad. | ||
| It's your business. | ||
| Yeah, science ignorance pisses me off. | ||
| Science denial irritates me. | ||
| What should? | ||
| It should. | ||
| Yeah, because, I'm sorry, you have no right to be stupid in the modern age. | ||
| You have all of the fucking answers in the palm of your hand. | ||
| What's that code? | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty dope. | ||
| What do you got there? | ||
| Oh, Hydra from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Hail Hydra? | ||
| You're a grown-up kid. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| Oh, shit, Twitter. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| How many notes? | ||
| I'm not even going to look at my notifications right there. | ||
| Don't even look. | ||
| They're getting mad right now. | ||
| Cobra and Decepticons? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Come on. | ||
| You're off the deep end. | ||
| I'm Gen X. I understand. | ||
| My license plate's Decepticon. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now people know. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I've posted pictures of it. | ||
| Flat Earth people are going to be absolutely fucking searching for you. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Run my plates, come to my address, and present him with the truth. | ||
| Come to my address in East Hollywood. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| We're going to confront you with flat earth reality, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a shill. | ||
| You're a flat earth shill. | ||
| A dinosaur shill. | ||
| What else? | ||
| Big Pharma, because vaccines are important. | ||
| Big Pharma shill. | ||
| I'm apparently an atheist shill, because creationism is bullshit. | ||
| What else? | ||
| A NASA shill for both moon hoaxing and Nibiru. | ||
| Yeah, so I freaked a lot of people out because when I got the sticker pack and all that from the Team Chemtrail guys, I also got patches and a challenge coin. | ||
| What's a challenge coin? | ||
| Like a military challenge coin. | ||
| They have it for Team Chemtrail, too. | ||
| On one side, it's this logo. | ||
| And the other one is, if you can't beat them, barium. | ||
| You know, the element barium that they think is in Chemtrails. | ||
| Yeah, so it's just one of those fun things because I like mocking the shit out of these people. | ||
| I had to interview one of those guys that made documentaries about it for and he was showing me proof. | ||
| He was like, what in the world they spraying those documentaries? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He had proof from this lab that he had gotten these tests of this water. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the water, it was crazy because he was saying, you know, that this water shows proof that aluminum's in the water and they're spraying aluminum in the sky and then it lands in the water. | ||
| What he tested, and that has been debunked, Mick West has ripped that shit apart on Metabunk. | ||
| I debunked it right there and then. | ||
| Yeah, it was rain and aluminum exists in the fucking... | ||
| Well, not only that, what he tested was sludge. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The laboratory results said sludge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I said to him, I said, it says sludge. | ||
| He goes, no, I gave them water. | ||
| I go, okay. | ||
| But the lab says it's sludge. | ||
| That means it's an amalgam of sediments. | ||
| That means it's dirt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So aluminum is one of the most common things that you can find in dirt. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So your dirt tested positive for dirt, and you think that's proof of chemtrails. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the dude was just like... | ||
| Yeah, just shut down. | ||
| I need to watch that one. | ||
| We can see him thinking, trying to find some way out of it that didn't exist. | ||
| I'm like, I'm trying to be open-minded here, but what you've done here is nonsense. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All of them are nonsense. | ||
| They find one tiny little fragment of something that fits in their... | ||
| Fucked up worldview and wrap their entire paradigm around it and they make videos and they make videos and then they Monitor the comments and delete anyone who disagrees with them or they are enforcing an echo chamber of Bullshit self-awareness. | ||
| I mean, yeah, you're not woke as fuck. | ||
| I'm sorry I love saying that though. | ||
| Well, yeah, no because there's a way There is a way to be woke as fuck. | ||
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Okay, please tell me how well Okay, look at you dude. | |
| You're fit as you're fit as fuck you um the entire point of your podcast is you're Interviewing people because you want to know things you constantly look for information that is noble and you make informed decisions you You use substances to get into states. | ||
| You are healthy. | ||
| You work out. | ||
| And the entire fact, when you started doing commentary for UFC, you wanted to know what it was like. | ||
| So you started training. | ||
| You started working out. | ||
| You're embracing the ideal of learning. | ||
| That is woke as fuck. | ||
| You are having massive conversations with people about every conceivable topic. | ||
| That's woke. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that, but I gotta be honest, I secretly wish that Bigfoot was real. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I secretly wish that Nibiru was real. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I would be rooting for this lady with the chip in her head to be right. | ||
| Right, but that's why I'm doing that History Channel show, Doomsday. | ||
| We get questions like, hey, what would happen if an asteroid hits the planet that, like, the same size it killed the dinosaurs, if it hit right now? | ||
| Last week was the Rogue Planet episode. | ||
| What if a planet the size of Neptune rolls into the solar system on a collision course of Earth? | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the first three episodes are we're fucked. | ||
| Asteroid, we're fucked. | ||
| Black hole, very fucked. | ||
| Neptune planet, super fucked. | ||
| What are we not fucked by? | ||
| What are people worried about that we don't have to worry about? | ||
| Possibly nuclear war, depends on the size of the war. | ||
| If it's like a low-yield one between a couple nations, yeah, you'll have millions if not billions of dead people. | ||
| Like India and Pakistan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or, you know, everybody in the state of Israel versus anybody like Iran that may have some... | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Or North Korea and everybody else. | ||
| Depending on the scale, if it was like superpowers, like old school war games, fucking Cold War, Khrushchev, Kennedy shit, yeah, we're all screwed. | ||
| The whole planet. | ||
| Yeah, you're just... | ||
| You're done. | ||
| Population falls below 10,000 people. | ||
| We can no longer propagate the species. | ||
| We are fucked. | ||
| But if it's a low-yield one, yeah, millions, maybe a billion people will die. | ||
| Then you've got the fallout. | ||
| Then you've got the possibility of winter. | ||
| And then you have the possibility of things like radioactive rainfall and all that. | ||
| But there's a possibility we could survive. | ||
| Maybe we can adapt. | ||
| We're pretty good at adapting. | ||
| That's the cool thing about humans. | ||
| We are tool-using primates. | ||
| If I was Hillary Clinton, I'd be looking to bomb people right now. | ||
| I'd be like, this is it. | ||
| Low-yield. | ||
| That's how we do it. | ||
| Low-yield war. | ||
| I like what he's saying. | ||
| I'm not a fan of the whole idea of war or nuke war or anything like that, but I understand the basis behind deterrence. | ||
| Well, it works. | ||
| It has worked. | ||
| It's worked since Oppenheimer. | ||
| That's the problem with war in general. | ||
| War works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not ineffective. | ||
| It's not like we're going to go to war and everybody dies and everyone gets diseased and civilization crumbles. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can make some advances. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Only on completely lopsided wars like genocide in Rwanda or genocide in Croatia or genocide in Turkey. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| Those are horribly lopsided or, I don't know, World War II, what he all decided to do to... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I won't even say his name. | ||
| The Hitler guy? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Will you say Trump's name or you won't say Hitler's name? | ||
| Do you think they're the same? | ||
| Not yet, but... | ||
| Yeah, it's like, I wonder if he'll sue me, but hey, Trump, you're a demagogue. | ||
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| Read the ninth book of Plato's Republic. | ||
| You are basically illustrated in it, and you are the most unfit person to ever run for president, and that includes dudes like Deez Nuts and all of that. | ||
| You're a fucking joke. | ||
| But who's Deez Nuts on a real guy, right? | ||
| Deez Nuts? | ||
| Is that a real guy? | ||
| There was some guy that named himself Deez Nuts and said, I'm running for president and all that. | ||
| Or the time cube guy ran for president once. | ||
| I'm hoping that what's going to go on with this election is that Trump is so ridiculous that a guy like him got so far with as much baggage as he has, as much skeletons in the closet, as much not paying taxes, fucking over small businesses, small contractors that work with him. | ||
| The bankruptcies, all the craziness, all the pussy-grabbing, all that... | ||
| I can't fucking believe that. | ||
| So over-the-top, off-the-deep-end crazy that I wonder if, like, maybe this will be the birth of a more competent form of government. | ||
| Like, slowly but surely, this battleship will make some turns because of what we've seen here. | ||
| I think so, because... | ||
| Interesting, like, Billy Bush is leaving the Today Show because of those comments in the video, yet Trump is still running for president. | ||
| Well, Billy Bush didn't say anything, and he's getting $10 million. | ||
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| You hear that? | ||
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| How is that? | ||
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He donated it already, he said. | |
| Why? | ||
| Because women were hating him already. | ||
| Why are they hating him? | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Let me tell you something, ladies. | ||
| As much as I deplore anything that Donald Trump said in that video about pussy grabbing and all that crap, if I was on the bus with him, and it was just me and Donald, and we didn't think we were being recorded, and he started talking crazy like that, I'd let him go. | ||
| I'd let him go. | ||
| I wouldn't check him. | ||
| You know why I wouldn't check him? | ||
| Because it's not my responsibility. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| And he's talking crazy. | ||
| And when people are talking crazy, sometimes I want to hear. | ||
| If someone wants to tell me that they've been abducted by aliens, they've traveled back through time, and their DNA is being propagated on other planets, and the reason why is because they're from a select group of humans that have existed since the beginning of time, and that their DNA, even though it looks like everybody else's, is different, I'll let that guy talk. | ||
| Just like I'll let this pussy grab an asshole talk. | ||
| He's not responsible. | ||
| He's a fucking host of a television show. | ||
| He's sitting next to a crazy man who's talking about grabbing pussies. | ||
| You just gotta let that guy talk. | ||
| For them to fire him for that, or be mad at him for that... | ||
| A little heavy-handed, but... | ||
| Oh, he's definitely... | ||
| Well, he... | ||
| Him, yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I'm saying the Billy Bush guy... | ||
| Yeah, no, no, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| He didn't do anything. | ||
| But the thing is, I'm the kind of person that would check that. | ||
| Would you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Would you step in and go, hey man, don't pussy grab. | ||
| Oh, dude, okay. | ||
| But you want to hear him talk, though? | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
| Wouldn't you want to hear him keep running? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, those people need to shut the fuck up. | ||
| Well, I'm a centrist. | ||
| I'm a registered independent voter. | ||
| I'm a centrist. | ||
| I'm an equalitist. | ||
| It's like, I was gunning for McCain for a while. | ||
| Until Palin came along? | ||
| Yeah, and then he had his weird little meltdown, and I'm like, no. | ||
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No. | |
| Hey now, oh yeah, don't you know? | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I can see Russia from my porch. | ||
| She didn't actually say that, right? | ||
| That was an SNL thing, right? | ||
| She kind of said she could see Russia. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, I mean, she was kind of talking about it. | ||
| I always thought that was like a Tina Fey like SNL thing and then they like it ran into and it became that whole that whole deal. | ||
| She was wonderful. | ||
| She was wonderful because she was like the first example of this anti-intellectualism on display but other than Bush of course but running for president running to be the king of the world and like being one of us being one of us right we're all together the working-class folks the blue-collar Joe lunchbox Yeah, and all the cosplay-triots got right behind that. | ||
| And all those, you know, Gears of War, Medal of Honor playing motherfuckers that have like AR-15s and like, yeah, we're going to go take over a wildlife reserve up in Oregon and all that. | ||
| These are the people that are behind Trump right now. | ||
| Yeah, that Oregon stuff was very confusing. | ||
| I had to really pay attention to what's going on with that. | ||
| You have to pay to use federal land to graze your cattle on. | ||
| They didn't want to pay. | ||
| It's our land. | ||
| It's the United States government. | ||
| The entire United States people own that land. | ||
| Yes, and the BLM is the recognized authority in order to monitor that land. | ||
| And the BLM is one of the lowest paid So they need those licenses and fines and all that in order to function and in order to do things like build fencing and allow places like all the national parks and BLM land and all that in order for us to enjoy that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It was a very confusing argument. | ||
| The argument that they should be able to graze for free was very strange. | ||
| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| How are you not... | ||
| Why should you not be able to pay your way? | ||
| Because they're the weird constitutionalist sovereign citizen shit. | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| You're looking at the federal lands. | ||
| They are, without a doubt, a national resource, right? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Federal parks, it's a resource. | ||
| And in those resources, you're going to have... | ||
| Food for animals, and this is what these animals are grazing on. | ||
| Well, that also gets in the way of all these other wild animals that we protect, like buffalo, like the American bison. | ||
| They need those. | ||
| And here's what's really crazy about it. | ||
| They're killing bison in large numbers, and they're culling them in Yellowstone. | ||
| And one of the reasons why is because they will escape. | ||
| They will leave the park's borders and go into these areas where traditionally cattle have grazed. | ||
| And they're so big and so robust that they sort of devastate these areas, and then it affects the cattle market. | ||
| Paleontology came across that too. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| We think that a couple researchers have considered that the expanse of the antique bison, bison antiquus, and the longhorn bison, pison latifrons, When they came across the Bering Sea and got into North America with the recession of the glaciers, | ||
| they out-competed mammoths, they out-competed a lot of natural grazing herbivores because they eat faster, they're larger, they breed quicker, they can basically terraform an area of, they can eat saplings from trees and grass. | ||
| They can drink mud and get hydrated. | ||
| These are amazing, well-evolved creatures and well-adapted to that environment. | ||
| They got into the perfect environment to just go. | ||
| And that's why we didn't have any native horses. | ||
| We didn't have any native elephants anymore and all that. | ||
| The bison out-competed. | ||
| So what you're saying, absolutely. | ||
| The bison rolls into cattle grazing land. | ||
| It's going to fucking take over. | ||
| And the thing is, you can actually mate bison buffalo and cows. | ||
| You can have beefalos. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing to me that they didn't embrace the bison as more of a domestic animal in that sense because it's so much more robust than a cow. | ||
| I mean, obviously cows are great and everything like that, but you can't tell me that bison meat doesn't taste great. | ||
| No, it's way leaner. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, it's fantastic. | ||
| It's higher in protein. | ||
| And especially if they're grazing on grass, they're not grain-fed. | ||
| It's higher in omega-3s and 6s. | ||
| It's better for you. | ||
| It's... | ||
| But we fucked that all up in the 1800s with overhunting a bison and near extinction and all of that. | ||
| Market hunting. | ||
| That's what they did. | ||
| And sometimes they would leave giant piles of them just for their tongues. | ||
| They would just take their tongues and kill them for that. | ||
| And hides and a bunch of different things. | ||
| Yeah, they did a number on them in the 1800s. | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| There's that shot in Dances with Wolves, that old Costner flick, where they come over the hill and obviously the white man was here. | ||
| Because there's just skinned buffalo carcasses, as far as I can see, because they were just going for the pelts. | ||
| Because the pelts were selling that season. | ||
| Yeah, it's dark, man. | ||
| It's dark when you consider what they did to all the different animals on the plains. | ||
| It's pretty fucking incredible. | ||
| The impact that human beings had in such a short period of time. | ||
| The impact we're having on the environment now in such a short period of time. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's like, we need to become more responsible with figuring out what the fuck we are doing. | ||
| Are you aware of the American Serengeti Project? | ||
| No. | ||
| They're trying to buy up giant chunks of private land in the Montana, Wyoming area, and they're trying to build a park even larger than Yellowstone. | ||
| And what they're trying to do is sort of have it this national park where there's a robust supply of bison, wolves... | ||
| Coyotes, all these different things, and they're spending a lot of money, and they're also running block management on it, which means they're going to open it up to hunters as well. | ||
| And they're trying to take these areas of private land, buy them up, and then slowly convert it into a gigantic public park. | ||
| That they think, you know, as far as like with the animals that have survived, that will in some way mimic the original, what they call American Serengeti. | ||
| That would be fucking cool. | ||
| It's pretty interesting. | ||
| There's a guy named... | ||
| Oh, neat. | ||
| Preserve, the idea of it. | ||
| The only question I would have for them is... | ||
| species that have now adapted for the area that they're doing that they will impact with this right and that is what happens planes rattlesnakes are there uh smaller cats like bobcats things like that if you are taking burrowing owls if you're taking a bunch of things that are no longer in the area or very sparse in the area and then you are condensing them into a spot and then kind of making a serengeti theme park i don't mean to offend them | ||
| but that's just kind of the gist i'm getting if you fill it full of things that aren't there now you're going to be displacing things that That's true. | ||
| I think what they're trying to do is they're looking at what happened in Africa. | ||
| Like, in Africa, instead of large-scale agriculture the way we've embraced that in the United States, for most people, they think about food, you know, they go to the store, they go to the grocery store, they go to the vegetable aisle, they get their food. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But very few people actually go to visit these enormous swaths of land that have been converted to large-scale agriculture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we think of large-scale agriculture, large-scale ag-gag laws that refer to factory farming and things along those lines. | ||
| We don't think of factory farming in terms of vegetables, but even that itself has had a devastating effect on On different parts of this country where it's just the soil has been completely depleted of minerals. | ||
| It needs to be constantly replenished with exogenous minerals every day. | ||
| But when you look at what they did in Africa, they sort of decided to take these parks and convert them into these enormous wildlife preserves. | ||
| And so these animals exist more or less in a very similar state to the way they've done thousands of years ago. | ||
| Like the Okavango Delta Reserve and all that. | ||
| That's rad. | ||
| But are they importing animals into it? | ||
| Yeah, see, I don't know what they're gonna do as far as bring in animals, but what they've done in terms of, you know, like what they've done in Yellowstone when they brought in wolves. | ||
| Although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished. | ||
| American Prairie Reserve works to build wildlife populations in three strategic ways. | ||
| Collaborating with state and federal agencies who oversee all wildlife management decisions on their population targets for at-risk species, such as the swift fox. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Partnering with ranching operations around the preserve's edges to increase tolerance for wildlife. | ||
| That's a weird word. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tolerance for wildlife. | ||
| Reducing the amount of kills and the region's habitat fragmentation. | ||
| Yeah, I don't like time. | ||
| Tolerance for wildlife. | ||
| It's like, I'm sorry if you're ranching near a thing like that you should be tolerant of wildlife. | ||
| Well, the problem is if it interferes on their private land. | ||
| Like, that's where it gets weird, right? | ||
| There's not a fucking fence alive that can keep a buffalo out. | ||
| Oh, hell no. | ||
| If it wants to go, it's going through. | ||
| So this idea that you're going to put up a fence and then somehow or another lush green grass is going to be safe from buffalo. | ||
| Mmm, not really. | ||
| They're just going to fucking headbutt that fence. | ||
| Says bison restoration. | ||
| They've reintroduced bison in 2005 after a 120-year absence. | ||
| Hmm, interesting. | ||
| Yeah, so they are re-importing animals. | ||
| So how are the 120-year absence bison over the last 11 years impacting the cougar, the swift fox, the pronghorn, the black-footed ferrets, the grassland birds, all that that's like... | ||
| I want to know more before I would sign off on something like that. | ||
| How many bison did you introduce? | ||
| What is their propagation? | ||
| What is their current gestation rate? | ||
| What is their current birth to death ratio? | ||
| How are they impacting A place that they haven't been for 120 years. | ||
| 120 years for a lot of animal species is a very short amount of time. | ||
| For others, it's just the right amount of time to start really adapting to an environment and establishing an entirely new predator-prey relationship with things there. | ||
| All of a sudden, you put in this monstrous fucking three-ton cow beast That could screw a lot of things up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they require a lot of food, a lot of resources. | ||
| And we've seen what happens when they've done things like this, well, particularly with wolves in Yellowstone. | ||
| It's been really fascinating to see what the impact it's had on animals and how the animals have sort of shifted where they live and behave. | ||
| It's so cool, but it's also like, man, what a cautionary tale. | ||
| We're kind of like playing creator in a lot of ways by introducing these things. | ||
| We have a big debate going on that right now in paleontology. | ||
| The whole cloning deal. | ||
| Cloning woolly mammoths and all that. | ||
| Where do you stand on that? | ||
| I kind of stand on more of an empirical area that, as of now, we have not discovered viable enough material in order to clone something. | ||
| The technology is not there. | ||
| I have talked to, while I was in Siberia a couple years ago, I talked to some of the leading geneticists from South Korea, like In Sung Lang and all those guys, and they're saying maybe 50 years, because... | ||
| The way the cloning has to happen, we have to find viable DNA, a complete individual genome, plant that into, for woolly mammoths specifically, plant that into the nearest living relative, which is the Asian elephant. | ||
| That means we have to harvest an egg from a female Asian elephant, which is difficult to do. | ||
| We would have to harvest many eggs because Dolly the sheep had like 870 some odd tries before 12 stuck and one was born. | ||
| Trying to do that with elephants. | ||
| They go into must every like for three days out of a year or something like that. | ||
| I don't know the specifics. | ||
| But that's a huge monumental task to do by itself. | ||
| I've seen woolly mammoth carcasses. | ||
| I've looked at them under biological microscopes. | ||
| I've taken tissue to have put into scanning electron microscopes. | ||
| We've looked for viable DNA, have not found any fragments. | ||
| Sure, but not in the entire thing of the genome. | ||
| This animal went extinct. | ||
| This animal went extinct possibly with human interaction. | ||
| We're not quite sure yet, but definitely through an inability to adapt to a changing climate. | ||
| This is the perfect example, if humans were not involved, of natural selection. | ||
| This animal could not live in the environment anymore. | ||
| That being said, Should we establish the Pleistocene Park in Siberia and clone woolly mammoths? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think this technology would be better used, and not being a genetics expert or geneticist at all, I think it would be better used for actual human interactive deaths, dodos, MOA, Tasmanian tigers, passenger pigeons, things we have Specimens of now that would be easier to do, like they're working on passenger pigeons right now with the, I think it's the three-barred pigeon, maybe just the bard pigeon. | ||
| Genetics Twitter, correct me on that. | ||
| But what is important about bringing back that pigeon? | ||
| I mean, obviously there's a principle because we're responsible, human beings are, for their demise. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Maybe it's the idea of, wow, we fucked up. | ||
| Right, but hasn't 90% of everything that's ever been alive dead? | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like 90, 95% of every single species that has ever been on the planet in four and a half billion years is extinct. | ||
| Right, so where do we stop? | ||
| Like, why bring back the dodo bird and the Tasmanian tiger and not the woolly mammoth? | ||
| Because... | ||
| The dinosaurs, the early placental mammals, Tiktaalik, all of that going way back in time, and things like the woolly mammoth or the saber-toothed cat, or the steppe mammoth, or the stegomacedon or macedons. | ||
| Those went extinct all, whether it was like a cosmic impact, huge volcanic eruptions, climate change, the oxygen suddenly dropping in the atmosphere or in the ocean. | ||
| All of that happened through natural resources. | ||
| We have now overstepped those bounds. | ||
| And we are responsible for the extinction of the golden frog, the passenger pigeon. | ||
| Poor golden frog. | ||
| I miss it. | ||
| They're cute. | ||
| I don't even know they existed. | ||
| My life would not be impacted one way or another. | ||
| Would it? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
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But is it smart to bring them back? | |
| Do you think that the world around them, the natural world, has adapted to them being extinct, and we should just leave well enough alone? | ||
| That could be the same argument as I was making against the bison. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| I think about all the money that would... | ||
| Have to be spent to bring back the dodo bird. | ||
| I personally say fuck the dodo bird. | ||
| I don't miss them. | ||
| There's plenty of cool birds. | ||
| They can go fuck themselves. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we have things like African shoebills and stuff like that. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Shoebills are the shit. | ||
| They're like one of my all-time favorite animals. | ||
| Cassowaries win, man. | ||
| Cassowaries are fucking dinosaur. | ||
| What's a cassowary? | ||
| Cassowaries are the... | ||
| How do you spell it? | ||
| C-A-S-S-O-W-A-R-Y. Is that like a shoebill? | ||
| No, it's scarier. | ||
| Ooh, scarier than a shoebill. | ||
| It's basically this really cool-looking, semi-flightless bird. | ||
| Oh, look at that fucking freak. | ||
| That is an ostrich, bro. | ||
| Close. | ||
| No, we want the one with the head crest. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, whoa. | ||
| Now Google, Cassowary attack. | ||
| See, but that's not as cool as a shoebill. | ||
| They're beautiful, and they're pretty, and everything like that, but... | ||
| Shoebills have the cool bill. | ||
| Shoebills have a goddamn hatchet on their face. | ||
| These have those, like, raptor claws. | ||
| What they do when they attack, they kick up and try and disembowel you. | ||
| Yep, there we go. | ||
| Oh, this guy's coming at it with a board. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you will get owned by a gas whore. | ||
| And they're big, man. | ||
| How big are they? | ||
| You know, they're decent sized. | ||
| They're like pushing six feet. | ||
| 1926, what happened? | ||
| 16-year-old Philip McLean, did he get jacked? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He got killed? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Third tallest, second heaviest bird. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, look at those feet and claws, man. | ||
| The feet on those fucking things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| They've run 49 miles an hour. | ||
| They're 4.9 feet tall. | ||
| Oh, look at those claws. | ||
| Those are horrific, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| They're trippy, dude. | ||
| And look, hey, that's like a T-Rex foot. | ||
| That is a theropod foot. | ||
| You gotta get them in a heel hook. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| The key is you gotta get a hand on one of the bottom of one of the feet, like the ankle, like right where it meets the foot. | ||
| You get a hand on one, and then you stay on the outside. | ||
| And then you want to butterfly hook the other side and just snap that leg. | ||
| I don't think they would even know how to defend. | ||
| They probably have a shitty defense. | ||
| They'd probably try to peck at you. | ||
| You know, that's not gonna help. | ||
| What a weird animal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But a shoebill's cooler. | ||
| Shit, sorry. | ||
| Okay, they do look cooler for the head, and they can like... | ||
| The eyes, too. | ||
| They have those fucking evil raptor eyes. | ||
| And they can totally just like knack you with that... | ||
| Yeah, look at that fucker. | ||
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Yeah, it's like... | |
| Look at that fucker. | ||
| One of my favorite videos online is a shoebill, which is this fucking dinosaur bird... | ||
| Eats this snakehead fish, which is this fish that can figure out how to get out of the water and walk to the next pond. | ||
| So this prehistoric fucking creepy-ass bird kills this prehistoric creepy-ass fish that can walk on land. | ||
| Like, literally, it's a walking transitionary fossil. | ||
| It is fucking walking on land. | ||
| It's a crazy video, man. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| They're so creepy looking, too. | ||
| They're just so heartless. | ||
| Back during the age of mammals, post-dinosaur, we had things called terror birds down in South America. | ||
| We were talking about those yesterday. | ||
| Yeah, like eight, ten feet tall. | ||
| Giant flightless birds with huge fucking battle axes for faces. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, so, here we go. | ||
| It's conversion evolution, but a smaller one. | ||
| That's a small terror bird. | ||
| And they were predatory monsters just running around jacking things. | ||
| They're not flightless, though, are they? | ||
| I don't know if they are. | ||
| They don't look like it, right? | ||
| I don't believe so. | ||
| It is kind of amazing when you find out how many different animals existed In North America alone, just 10,000 years ago. | ||
| Camels started here? | ||
| Camels! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All dogs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm reading Coyote America by Dan Flores. | ||
| I wanted to read that, yeah. | ||
| It's fucking great. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| What a crazy animal a coyote is, by the way. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| He's coming on the podcast, I think he's going to be here in January, whenever he's in town. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you want to listen to him, too, he's on the Meat Eater podcast with Steve Rinella. | ||
| Maybe six, eight months ago they did a podcast together. | ||
| I've listened to it three or four times. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Horses. | ||
| Horses started here and went extinct here and made it all across the rest of the world. | ||
| And then were brought here by Spanish settlers. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were brought back. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then now, they're everywhere. | ||
| There's wild horses, thousands of them, tens of thousands, all throughout the Southwest. | ||
| Yeah, it's really cool things like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And when the Isthmus of Panama, when Panama rose up and connected the two continents together, you had just this awesome transition of life, like llamas and birds and big cats and that back and forth. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just great shit. | ||
| That's also why the pronghorn antelope is so fast. | ||
| They're so much faster than anything that could catch it today because they lived and they evolved in a time where there was like cheetah-like cats. | ||
| Yeah, morassinonyx, the American cheetah. | ||
| The badass. | ||
| And beyond that, everybody's like, oh, we had cheetahs and we had... | ||
| We had lions that were bigger than African lions. | ||
| Panthera atrox. | ||
| Half a ton of angry cats. | ||
| Thousand pounds! | ||
| Yeah, eight, nine thousand pounds. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| I mean, everybody's like, oh, well, you know, saber-toothed cat. | ||
| It's not tiger, it's cat, by the way. | ||
| That's just rote from working at the tar pits for five years. | ||
| What color were they? | ||
| Do we know? | ||
| We don't know, but we can guess that they were, because they had short tails, they were ambush predators. | ||
| Because of the environments we find them in, likely they had a longer coat. | ||
| It was countershaded, maybe with some sort of barring or reticulated pattern in order to blend in. | ||
| Think like a really big, scary bobcat. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Somebody tried to tell me that a bobcat and a mountain lion were the same thing. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, I was like, what? | ||
| No, a mountain lion and a cougar and a puma are all the same. | ||
| It's a puma conchalore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pumas and mountain lions are the same thing. | ||
| This guy was trying to say that a bobcat was the same thing because I was saying that I saw a bobcat and its cubs recently. | ||
| And I thought it was a mountain lion because I saw it for like a second, like not even a second, like a half a second. | ||
| My friend saw it before me. | ||
| I turned to see it and it was a mama with her cubs. | ||
| And my brain, when they said a cat, my brain was like, oh, they must meet a mountain lion. | ||
| So like in my mind, the half of a second I saw it, I had seen a mountain lion baby. | ||
| But it was actually a bobcat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this guy was like, well, they're the same thing. | ||
| I was like, the fuck they are? | ||
| No, not even close. | ||
| It's not like a wolf and a coyote. | ||
| A wolf can fuck a coyote. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they can make babies. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like a coyote can fuck a dog. | ||
| We're all, everything is a wolf. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All those things, all those wild canids, they're all interchangeable because they are all wolves. | ||
| There are only a few of the Canis genus that cannot do that. | ||
| I think it's- Which ones? | ||
| One of the- Actually, no. | ||
| Jackals? | ||
| Yeah, there's a jackal. | ||
| I think the blackback, maybe the blackback jackal. | ||
| God, I used to know this because I would throw this at creationists all the time. | ||
| Because they're like, oh, you know, it's the same kind. | ||
| It's like, well, these can't fuck these. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| But, like, African spotted dogs are a totally different genus. | ||
| Absolutely, 100% totally different genus. | ||
| They're part of the canid family, but they cannot breed with anything else. | ||
| So can they breed and make a hybrid, like a liger? | ||
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Nope. | |
| Not even? | ||
| Nope, not even close. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the biological definition of species does kind of break down because it depends whether it's an environmental species or if it's a genealogical species. | ||
| Look at that fucker. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| What a face on him, man. | ||
| They're rad. | ||
| Look at those big ears. | ||
| Perfect for just tracking stuff. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Now, has any asshole tried to take an African wild dog like that and turn into a pet? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Must be, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| African hunting dog? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Wild-looking dog, man. | ||
| They look so wild. | ||
| The coloration of them is so dynamic. | ||
| Yeah, but if you look at that pattern, you've got lights and darks, and look at the material behind it. | ||
| Look at the grasses. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they blend in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're literally like walking ASAP camo. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Jamie, go back up to that one with the teeth open, that picture you just showed. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Like, that pattern. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, that is a perfect predator pattern. | ||
| They sort of blend into the background, especially from a distance. | ||
| If they're not moving, because most animals, they pick up outlines, and then they pick up movement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if the outline stops moving, it disappears. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially with a cryptic coloration like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just incredible that natural selection has led them to have those kind of coats. | ||
| Well, here in Southern California, we have two different kinds of snakes. | ||
| Actually, it's the same species, but they have totally different color patterns. | ||
| The California kingsnake. | ||
| The white and black ones that you see, they're either banded or striped. | ||
| The banded ones, the ones with the horizontal across their bodies, they tend to stay curled up underneath bushes in the desert. | ||
| So as they're white and black, yeah, there we go. | ||
| So the banded ones like that, they stay curled under trees because as the sunlight is coming through, it's creating bands across the earth so they blend in. | ||
| The striped ones move more so the shadows are longer. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's really trippy. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| Now, how the fuck does that happen without Jesus? | ||
| You explain me. | ||
| This is proof positive, just like the banana. | ||
| The atheist nightmare. | ||
| The banana. | ||
| Oh, Ray Comfort's banana. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is proof positive as well. | ||
| The Lord works in mysterious ways. | ||
| Ray, I'm sorry you ever did that. | ||
| I'm happy he did it, and I'm happy that the other dude was right next to him smiling like it made sense. | ||
| Kirk Cameron? | ||
| Yeah, Kirk Cameron. | ||
| Just fighting off the urge to suck a cock with every ounce of his body. | ||
| Just fighting off the gay like it's a horde of angry zombies coming over a hill. | ||
| That picture of Ken Ham... | ||
| Cameron and fucking Comfort. | ||
| That's like three heads of Cerebus, the dog from hell. | ||
| Three heads of the Hydra right there. | ||
| See, I don't see hell in that. | ||
| I just see foolish people. | ||
| Well, yeah, I just see bizarre foolish people. | ||
| I see hell for science. | ||
| I see a problem for science and science education and everything going forward. | ||
| Because these are the people that are building fucking full-size arcs in the middle of God-I'm happy they're doing that. | ||
| Crack another one of them beers, son. | ||
| I'm happy they're doing that. | ||
| Yeah, that was great. | ||
| What one was this called? | ||
| Otravez from Sierra Nevada. | ||
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Love it. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| It's a Goza. | ||
| It's a salt beer. | ||
| I like when guests come with beverages. | ||
| I'm totally into beer now because of... | ||
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Cheers, sir. | |
| Cheers, dude. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Into what? | ||
| What got you into beer? | ||
| Well, I've always been into beer. | ||
| I've always wanted to be doing homebrewing and stuff. | ||
| But because the paleo market kind of dropped out, my friend owns a bar. | ||
| And he's like, hey, my bartender's leaving. | ||
| I've been drinking there for like five years. | ||
| I was part-time security because I still had a guard card and all that. | ||
| He said, hey, my weekend bartender's going. | ||
| You know a lot about beer. | ||
| You know the whole menu here. | ||
| Do you want the weekend shifts since you're not working paleo? | ||
| If people want to come visit you and stalk you and give you a hard time about the Flat Earth, what bar is this? | ||
| Oh, it's the Faculty in East Hollywood at 707 North Heliotrope at the corner of Heliotrope and Melrose. | ||
| Oh, you fucked up, you shill. | ||
| They're coming at you now. | ||
| Bring it. | ||
| With Flat Earth knowledge. | ||
| Yeah, bring it. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, you want to roll in? | ||
| I'm having my birthday party there next Friday, the 28th, 8pm. | ||
| There's no such thing as gravity. | ||
| It is magnetic. | ||
| Electromagnetism? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Are stickers magnetic? | ||
| Oh, good point. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Is glass magnetic? | ||
| Is plastic? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Well, it's kind of funny. | ||
| It's like Ray Comfort. | ||
| Like Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and that poor bastard. | ||
| If he could just find a man who loved him, Kirk could just come free. | ||
| You could see it coming out of him. | ||
| Did that bullshit creationist Christmas movie that he had last year... | ||
| Oh, you mean awesome movie? | ||
| Like God's Not Dead? | ||
| Is that the one? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm thinking like Saving Christmas. | ||
| Oh, saving Christmas. | ||
| It's like the war on Christmas, and Kirk Cameron's going to save it this December. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, I think it actually took over Battlefield Earth as one of the worst movies on IMDb, or Rotten Tomatoes. | ||
| Well, I would see how it would be in that category, but did you ever see the one that he did about those Christian novels? | ||
| Oh, the Left Behind series. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| I bought it on VHS. It's one of the last VHS tapes that I bought. | ||
| That's rad. | ||
| Yeah, I own it. | ||
| There's two of them. | ||
| I never even got through the first one. | ||
| I'm like, 45 minutes in the first one, my eyes are sweating, my head's shaking. | ||
| I remember when those came out in bookstores, the actual book series, I was walking by, I'm probably buying a Neil Gaiman book or something like that, like comics or some cool sci-fi fantasy stuff, and I saw that, and I'm like, what? | ||
| The rapture has come. | ||
| There's only a few people left on the planet. | ||
| I'm like, Fuck that! | ||
| Just put it right back on the shelf and kept walking. | ||
| Dude, the rapture comes and there's only a few people left, so that means that God comes and takes away all the Christians. | ||
| That would leave a lot of fucking people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this idea that it would only be a few people left is kind of... | ||
| Yeah, but the thing is, it's like, why is he going to take the Christians if, you know, Jews? | ||
| I'm genetically Jewish. | ||
| I have the Ashkenazi K1 haplotype because of my mom. | ||
| Aren't we supposed to be the chosen people? | ||
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Allegedly. | |
| Allegedly. | ||
| But not anymore. | ||
| 144,000 of us, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, but once America came along, God changed teams. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| He got super down with... | ||
| Even Ray Comfort, he decided as an Australian, he got to get in tight with American Christians. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wait, is Ray Australian? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Both of them are Australian? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ken and Ray? | ||
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Right. | |
| Have you ever heard him talk? | ||
| But it's like really... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm thinking of... | ||
| The atheist nightmare. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| The banana. | ||
| I'm thinking of the other jackass. | ||
| I'm thinking of the other jackass, Kent Hoven, the one that went into jail for tax evasion. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, he's Dr. Dr. Dino. | ||
| Yeah, not happening, dude. | ||
| Does he have anything to do with that creationist museum? | ||
| Who has something to do with the creationist museum? | ||
| That's Ken Ham. | ||
| That's Ken Ham. | ||
| Yeah, that's Captain Ham Sandwich himself. | ||
| A wonderful man. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| With some wonderful ideas. | ||
| That creationist museum and the ark. | ||
| I love the ark. | ||
| And I hate to say it. | ||
| Okay, hey, atheist Twitter followers, don't roll me for this. | ||
| Ken Ham is fucking smart. | ||
| Because of the way he does his advertising, because of the way he does his... | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Bigger than imagination. | ||
| That's like, okay, sure, he may be completely, you know, chewing his own skin off at this point, losing money, but... | ||
| Think of what he did. | ||
| He did a huge debate with Bill Nye and got this going. | ||
| Because all of the money that people spent on DVDs and all that went to this. | ||
| Dude, you can get an annual pass for only $175. | ||
| That's way cheaper than Disneyland. | ||
| You can go see it all year round. | ||
| You can just keep going back and see that same stupid wooden boat. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Wait, they have zip lines? | |
| I got a zipline. | ||
| I'm on a zipline. | ||
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Zipline right off the top of Noah's Ark. | |
| Right into the manger where the baby Jesus was born. | ||
| Set up at the bottom of the zipline. | ||
| Hey, Ken, did Noah have ziplines? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that how he got all the animals off the Ark? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, that's also how Noah raised funds for his Ark. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Right, right. | ||
| He did all that wood. | ||
| So where were the dinosaurs on the Ark? | ||
| They were butt-fucking. | ||
| Dinosaurs are gay. | ||
| A lot of people don't know that. | ||
| That's why they all died off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No one was there to breed. | ||
| They were all just doing each other. | ||
| There was a Far Side by Gary Larson, one of those little comics a long, long time ago. | ||
| It was like the real demise of the dinosaurs. | ||
| They're all smoking. | ||
| There's another one that's... | ||
| Noah has like a 105 howitzer mounted on the nose of the Ark and firing it at the dinosaur Ark. | ||
| It's like, what really happened? | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| People make fun of this shit all the time. | ||
| Teach the Controversy is a t-shirt deal, and it shows... | ||
| I have the shirt. | ||
| It's rad. | ||
| You've got a Triceratops with an ox harness on it and a guy with a plow behind it. | ||
| Then you also have the devil burying a dinosaur bone. | ||
| It says Teach the Controversy. | ||
| They have a Flat Earth one, a Chemtrail one, an Illuminati one. | ||
| They're fucking rad. | ||
| I wonder how much longer that kind of thinking, that kind of Ray Comfort thinking is gonna be around. | ||
| As long as we have YouTube, man. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I mean, I think... | ||
| It's just gonna get louder. | ||
| It's just gonna get louder. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I think not. | ||
| I think this is all... | ||
| This ability to self-publish and this kind of stuff is all cute and everything, but I think it's a step on this inevitable path. | ||
| I think we're on a path of complete enlightenment. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| That would be fucking rad. | ||
| I think it's going to bypass all of our biological limitations. | ||
| I think technological innovation is going to bypass the biological limitations, and we're going to live in some sort of an augmented reality, augmented by technology. | ||
| I think we're going to accept that, and I think we're going to dive into that, and then once that happens, I think slowly but surely, just like the difference between what we know today versus what we knew or people knew 2,000 years ago is pretty goddamn radical, but when you think about 2,000 years in terms of the Earth, it's nothing, right? | ||
| It's a blink of an eye. | ||
| It's the nanosecond reaction of a neuron firing. | ||
| Even just 300 years ago, right? | ||
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Think of... | |
| The time frame between the Wright brothers first powered flight and landing on the moon and then from landing on the moon to the space shuttle to the ISS. Now we have vertical landing rockets, nuke powered rovers with lasers doing science on a different planet and we have two probes Rapidly exiting the solar system, the Voyager probes, they're fucking gone. | ||
| Go from the invention of radio to the internet today. | ||
| I mean, it's a blink of an eye. | ||
| A tiny, tiny, tiny amount of time and massive progress has been made. | ||
| And you still have these assholes that make these videos about dinosaurs not being real or write blogs about the earth being flat. | ||
| But at the end of the day, I just feel like that is more dismissed than ever before. | ||
| Less likely to be adopted. | ||
| And... | ||
| I think it's dying. | ||
| You've seen the last blips of ignorance where people are fighting against this... | ||
| Is this the death knell? | ||
| Is this people like B.O.B. going against Neil deGrasse Tyson? | ||
| Yeah, he's a silly man. | ||
| He's just a rapper, right? | ||
| He doesn't really have to have any real data. | ||
| But I think that's what we're seeing with all this stuff. | ||
| I think we're seeing sort of the last gasps of ignorance. | ||
| But he has a bunch of people that immediately do that. | ||
| And then a bunch of people go, whoa... | ||
| In contemporary times, it seems like it's a big deal. | ||
| But now it's cool to be a conspiracist. | ||
| It's cool to be a conspiracy sheep. | ||
| It's like hip and rad to think the earth is flat and all that shit. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| You have to be a real fucking moron to think the earth is flat in 2016. I'm going against them every day. | ||
| I know, but they're fucking morons. | ||
| Well, no, they're absolutely fucking morons. | ||
| I don't think it's going to last. | ||
| I think it's a blip. | ||
| I hope not, because... | ||
| It's drowning witches. | ||
| One, it's fucking exhausting. | ||
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Yeah, but for you, because you keep buying into it. | |
| The thing is, again, I want to mock them so the people listening and the people watching and all that go, wow, that guy's a jackass. | ||
| It's like, the earth's not flat. | ||
| I got suckered into it. | ||
| But also... | ||
| I have to admit it. | ||
| I kind of like out-trolling the trolls, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fun, right? | ||
| When they come in, and you just, like, set the perfect thing, and they come back with something stupid, and you just fucking grab them by the back of the neck and go, WHAM! And they're done! | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| You like setting them up with facts. | ||
| Yeah, I like setting them up and watching them just trip over... | ||
| But why do you enjoy that so much? | ||
| Because they are dumb enough to do it to other people. | ||
| They deserve to have it done to them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm a vindictive, narcissistic asshole. | ||
| Even when they're doing it to other people, they're doing it to themselves. | ||
| I like to give them... | ||
| I like to out-troll them with facts and give them just enough rope to hang themselves and completely embarrass themselves. | ||
| And they do it all the time, and then they get all flustered and they block me. | ||
| I did that to the Institute of Creation Research. | ||
| They got so pissed off, they blocked me on Twitter. | ||
| And that was a badge of fucking honor. | ||
| What is the Institute for Creation Research? | ||
| What kind of research are they doing? | ||
| Like, ICR.org is the same thing as, like, Answers in Genesis and all that shit. | ||
| It's like, it's a think tank of creationist scientists that are, the Earth is 6,000 years old. | ||
| There they are! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| There they are. | ||
| Oh, the new book of beginnings. | ||
| A practical guide to understanding Genesis. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And look, like, the little fucking dinosaur on it made in his image. | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Look at this first article. | ||
| Magic words can't explain strange fossil. | ||
| Once upon a time, only a single Italian fossil, a crushed specimen that paleontologists had to reconstruct, represented the extinct reptile... | ||
| What is his name? | ||
| Drapanosaurus. | ||
| Drapanosaurus. | ||
| Now, a team of American scientists describe a new Drapanosaurus specimen from New Mexico. | ||
| Instead of fingers, it had a massive claw in each hand, and its curling tail was claw-tipped. | ||
| These features have evolutionists scratching their heads over where it came from and why it looks more like a particular living mammal than a reptile. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Because mammals existed during the time of dinosaurs. | ||
| Dun-dun-dun! | ||
| And you have things like synapsids and things like therapsids that are reptile-to-mammal transitions. | ||
| And you have all of these things that exist that they say don't. | ||
| It looks like a bear and a sheep and a sloth had a gangbang. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, it's totally some, like, oh, Brian Thomas, really? | ||
| He has an MS. He's got a master in science. | ||
| Where did he get that? | ||
| Probably from ICR. I think you can get one online. | ||
| No, you can. | ||
| I want to get one just so I have to be called a doctor like Bill Cosby was doing. | ||
| I know a lot of anti-homeopathy people that go and get the homeopathy certification. | ||
| And then go, hey, look, I'm certified, too. | ||
| I'm allowed to talk to it. | ||
| And we're now on equal footing. | ||
| And then just, like, own the shaken water sugar pill people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not talking about, like, actual, like, aromatherapy things or things that actually, like, single concentrations of arnica that actually can be used as an anti-inflammatory. | ||
| I'm talking, like, the sugar pill belladonna things that you take because... | ||
| Your chi is messed up, and you have a pain in your ankles, so you get, like, pig bladder and belladonna together, and you're just taking, like, 40 grams of soluble glucose in a sugar pill. | ||
| Makes you feel better briefly. | ||
| Yeah, because you're like, whoa! | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Amazing medicine. | ||
| Incredible power. | ||
| I just feel the spiritual energy. | ||
| Because all the, you know, your ADP going on in your body is just like, hey, look, we've got food! | ||
| I do yoga, so I'm around these people all the time. | ||
| I'm around a lot of these Topanga Canyon hippies. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That believe in all this kooky shit. | ||
| It's hilarious to talk to them. | ||
| They just have these fucking bizarre ideas. | ||
| I've had a couple people come into the bar lately, and again, I'm saying, it's like, hey, my birthday's soon. | ||
| They're like, oh, when's your birthday? | ||
| I'm like, it's the 27th. | ||
| And they're like, oh, you're a Scorpio. | ||
| Yeah, what does that mean? | ||
| I've been called a Scorpio before. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It's like I'm dark and brooding and narcissistic. | ||
| Well, yeah, a little. | ||
| I'm very vengeful and, you know, I'm very emotional and things like that. | ||
| All those things seem to be true. | ||
| Yeah, but all those things seem to be human qualities. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Just for Scorpios. | ||
| Just for Scorpios. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's it. | ||
| No, Pisces are like... | ||
| No, they're different. | ||
| They're very balanced. | ||
| NASA, your zodiac sign is wrong, according to science, but it was never based on science anyway. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Well, what is it based on, and how the fuck has it been around so long? | ||
| That's what's really incredible about astronomy, or astrology, rather. | ||
| Because of the ability for the human brain to look at patterns. | ||
| We see constellations, and it's like, the same thing with constellations, the same thing as clouds. | ||
| Oh, look, there's a dinosaur. | ||
| Oh, wait, no, now it's turning into an alligator, and now it kind of looks like my mom. | ||
| I'm feeling weird because of that. | ||
| I had a good friend of mine who I really respect telling me that astrology is real, that he conducts an astrologer before he does anything that's important, and he won't do things that the astrologer tells him that could be dangerous or could be problems coming in the future. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, and I was talking to him about it, and he was like, well, the astrologer, they told me about my past. | ||
| They told me they were right about my parents. | ||
| I go, don't you know about your parents? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't you know? | ||
| Like, why would you be excited if someone told you some shit you already knew? | ||
| Tell this motherfucker to tell you some shit you don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, tell him to tell you a lottery ticket. | ||
| Tell him to tell you what's going to happen next Tuesday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then, believe them. | ||
| Otherwise, what they're probably doing is asking you leading questions. | ||
| You're answering them in a way that leads you to believe that they have the information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just con man stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it's cold reading. | ||
| It's mediums. | ||
| Cold reading. | ||
| Yeah, all of that. | ||
| There's techniques. | ||
| Training in micro-expressions. | ||
| Magicians are fucking excellent at it. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Hell yeah, man. | ||
| A really good friend of mine is Misty Lee. | ||
| She's the only female medium at the Magic Castle. | ||
| And she's rad. | ||
| And we were just talking one day, and she's like, oh yeah, I can speak with the dead. | ||
| I can find anything out just by... | ||
| Doing that kind of... | ||
| It's like magicians... | ||
| There's entire books written on this. | ||
| And I've watched Penn& Teller do it. | ||
| I've watched Uri Geller do it. | ||
| The whole deal. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| If you work it enough and magicians have the type of mentality and patience and discipline to do this over and over and over again, shuffling cards a thousand times a day until it's just rote memorization, they can do that with cold reading. | ||
| They can do that with predictions. | ||
| They can do that with math tables. | ||
| Spoon bending. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| They know how to do all that. | ||
| That's easy. | ||
| You get a spoon with a little bit of gallium in it and it melts as soon as you touch it. | ||
| Gallium? | ||
| Gallium. | ||
| It's a metal that actually melts with your simple body heat. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you make spoons out of it. | ||
| That's the common thing. | ||
| I'm not spoiling any magic trick there. | ||
| So it looks like a spoon that's made out of metal, like regular metal, but it's actually made out of gallium? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And you sort of rub it? | ||
| You rub it and it melts and the thing falls apart. | ||
| Yeah, check it out. | ||
| Disappearing spoons! | ||
| Okay, so this guy's got a spoon. | ||
| It looks like a normal everyday spoon. | ||
| It says do-it-yourself kit and gallium metal available. | ||
| Sounds like a regular spoon. | ||
| So that's a thing of hot water. | ||
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Oh, Jesus, the spoon dissolved in the water. | |
| Because it's hot enough. | ||
| It's a low-yield temperature. | ||
| This is not an acid, it's water. | ||
| Melting point of gallium is only 86 degrees Fahrenheit. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, what's your outer skin body temperature? | ||
| Oh, 96. So that's incredible. | ||
| So you can take hot water, so your fingers, you could easily bend that spoon by just rubbing it. | ||
| And it's not even that hot that it would hurt you. | ||
| Or if that's an opaque mug, if I have a gallium spoon, I do that, you can't look through the mug, the spoon disappears, and it melts away. | ||
| Yeah, that's a very simple one. | ||
| And, you know, bending spoons like that, yeah. | ||
| So they just rub it and the gallium just sort of bends. | ||
| Or there's a way to pinch it between your fingers and start rubbing it and you're actually working it back and forth just a little bit like bending a key. | ||
| We've all done it. | ||
| We've all rubbed a key and we've watched it start to bend because as you are heating it up, it is expanding. | ||
| Oh, is that? | ||
| Yeah, there's the mold. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| That's what's happening here. | ||
| They're messing with gallium. | ||
| You can make a mold of it, and then you put it in your freezer. | ||
| Eight hours later. | ||
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Ta-da! | |
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is so bizarre. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| This stuff just breaks in your face. | ||
| Yeah, it's neat stuff, man. | ||
| Where is gallium from? | ||
| It's part of the periodic table. | ||
| It's an existing element. | ||
| So they find it in dirt and extract it? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You can mine it. | ||
| I've lived 49 years. | ||
| I've never heard of Gallium until this moment. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You should feel good about that. | ||
| That's the entire point of your show. | ||
| You learn shit. | ||
| Dude, that's why I've always been a fan. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| Listen, I'm a fan of the show, too. | ||
| Because it allows me to have these conversations with people. | ||
| I'm saying that I'm not being facetious. | ||
| As a person who's in the show, I'm a fan of being able to talk to all these people like you. | ||
| Learn about gallium. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| Metal bending spoons. | ||
| There's so many different tricks that magicians use that psychics and all their really sleazy people have been using to steal from people. | ||
| Like these goddamn mediums on television that you see. | ||
| What was that one? | ||
| Long Island medium. | ||
| Did you ever see that one? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| What was the big guy? | ||
| The dude that had the TV show... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Started with an R, started like Robert Richard or something. | ||
| What was that fucking guy's name? | ||
| He had the same name as somebody else that's famous, right? | ||
| Yeah, and he would use plants and wireless mics and audio amplifiers and cold reading to read his audience. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He had that sci-fi, that show on sci-fi, like, beyond with whatever his name is. | ||
| What is his fucking name? | ||
| Thankfully, we have forgotten. | ||
| He has fallen into obscurity. | ||
| But that piece of shit was famous for a long time, and people would talk about him all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He started with specials, and then he got his own damn show. | ||
| It's like, I've done... | ||
| What's his name, Jamie? | ||
| James Van Praz? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, there was another one. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| People right now are screaming it on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| It's this guy. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those fuckheads out there. | ||
| But again, just like the flat earth people and all this other nonsense, I think they're going to exist less and less in the future. | ||
| You know, I think that what we're seeing right now in terms of confirmation bias, I think that's all gonna be eradicated, because I think what we're dealing with now is very limited mediums of writing things down, typing things, making videos about things. | ||
| All these things are incredibly limited. | ||
| In comparison, To what's coming up. | ||
| You know, I've been a follower of Ray Kurzweil for a while. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I've been trying to pay attention to what he predicts and what he's thinking is going to be coming down the pipe in 2045. You look at guys like him and all these futurists that are predicting all these emergent technologies are going to completely change and revamp the way we communicate. | ||
| Going into the singularity. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we're on the verge of a storm, an innovation storm that's going to render the landscape almost unrecognizable. | ||
| I think we're just a decade or two away from just massive, massive shifts. | ||
| It brings me back to, you know, I don't believe that the Mayans were correct, that December 21st, 2012 was the end of the world, but it is fascinating when you see the Kali Yugas and all the different... | ||
| The different ancient civilizations that predicted cycles and cycles of humanity. | ||
| And it kind of seems like there's something to that. | ||
| Like maybe almost like you can kind of predict a sort of a time period where people accumulate a bunch of information, make life safer for each other, but then get soft, soft and sort of sloppy because life got safe and then you get lazy and then, you know, All sorts of weird behavior. | ||
| Like, that's what we always thought about Rome, right? | ||
| We always thought the decadence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Vomitoriums. | ||
| You know what a vomitorium really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know what it really is? | ||
| Well, at least I've always learned that it's kind of like the... | ||
| A closed-in Bacchanal festival where you go and it's a sauna and you eat a bunch and you do the whole thing. | ||
| I'm gonna help you out here. | ||
| That's not what a vomitorium is. | ||
| What a vomitorium is is actually the passageway between a large arena and the stands. | ||
| So the way people leave, that's a vomitorium. | ||
| But the name of it led people to infer that that's a vomitorium. | ||
| So it led people to infer that, oh, that was a place they would go to throw up. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Totally owned on that. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| But it's one that I thought, too. | ||
| And then, you know, you always connect that to ancient Rome. | ||
| And I went to the Vatican. | ||
| I went to Rome this past summer, and I went to the Colosseum and checked it out. | ||
| I've always wanted to go there. | ||
| It's fucking dope, dude. | ||
| The Vatican is the dopest shit I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| It's so insanely massive and spectacular, and the construction is just so mind-blowing. | ||
| The fact that they did all this without power tools, they did all over the course of hundreds of years, they built these amazing, massive structures. | ||
| I did the same thing in Israel a couple years ago, like going to Jerusalem and seeing, holy shit, this is like, Herod built this. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And going to Masada and all that. | ||
| It was trippy as fuck, dude. | ||
| You can only imagine that. | ||
| And walking through the different quarters in Jerusalem and everything, and almost walking up the wrong stairs in the Muslim quarter to get to the Dome on the Rock, I didn't know where I was. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| This big dude's like, you're not Muslim, you're not going there. | ||
| I'm like, oh, fuck, sorry. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| So you could go the wrong way, and you can't go if you're a Muslim? | ||
| Unless you're a Muslim. | ||
| Unless you're a Muslim, yeah. | ||
| Because the dome on the rock where the mosque and everything is, is for Muslims only. | ||
| They only open it, I think, one day a year, very briefly, for people to come, like, take a picture of the outside. | ||
| Occasionally film crews can go in there, but that's about it. | ||
| And it's like, unless you are a devout Muslim, you can't go in there. | ||
| Because it's a very holy site for them. | ||
| But going there, like going and seeing the Stations of the Cross and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and all that, it was trippy. | ||
| I'm not religious. | ||
| I'm not an atheist or anything like that. | ||
| I'm a scientist. | ||
| I'm an apatheist. | ||
| The religious aspect and spiritual aspect to me is completely irrelevant. | ||
| If there's, you cannot prove nor deny that there is any kind of, you know, outside force or, you know, 3-0 being and all of that, I don't, I honestly don't give a shit. | ||
| If I die and all of a sudden it's like, oops, sorry, okay, you know, I admit, I was wrong, send me to hell, sorry. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You'd think that God would be like, hey man, you didn't know. | ||
| But, I mean, I've always been honest about that, because people are like, you're an atheist! | ||
| I'm like, actually, no, I'm not. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Yeah, an atheist has to have a belief that there's no God. | ||
| You have to believe there's... | ||
| That's like, you don't know if there's no God because you've never experienced death. | ||
| You don't know if there's no afterlife because you've never experienced it. | ||
| But there's no evidence that it exists. | ||
| I know a lot of atheists that use the definition that you have agnosticism and you have atheism. | ||
| Agnosticism is the knowledge. | ||
| Atheism is the empirical data. | ||
| So an atheist knows there is no God and disbelieves all God. | ||
| The only difference between an atheist and a Christian is that the atheist disbelieves one more than the Christian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because if you think about it... | ||
| Christians disbelieve Scientologists. | ||
| They disbelieve the Moonies. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The Unitarians, all of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So an agnostic is lacking knowledge. | ||
| You don't really know. | ||
| It's like, okay, well, I've seen some things. | ||
| I haven't seen other things. | ||
| That kind of deal. | ||
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Right. | |
| I remove myself from that, and the hardcore atheist community has tried to grasp apatheism as, oh, it's practical atheism. | ||
| Since you don't bother, you don't care. | ||
| And it's like, no, we don't care because it's a waste of fucking time. | ||
| Yeah, I had an argument with a guy on Twitter once. | ||
| Was it Twitter? | ||
| One of those things. | ||
| Where he was saying, why don't you just come out as an atheist? | ||
| I'm like, well, why do you care? | ||
| Why do you want me to say there's no God? | ||
| Why would you want me to say that? | ||
| First of all, I don't know, and I've said I don't know, and you don't know either, bitch. | ||
| So why are you telling me that I should say that I know? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| This is crazy talk, but it's one of those goddamn things where people want you to be on their team. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's like, oh, hey, cool. | ||
| We have a celebrity endorsement. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| Joe Rogan said he was an atheist. | ||
| So all the atheists go, yay! | ||
| I'm a part of the atheist society we get together. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's happened with the skeptics. | ||
| There used to be these skeptic societies, and then they got weird, and then they got all social justice warrior-y, and then they started accusing each other of raping each other because they were having sex while they were drunk, and it all got madness. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| A lot of it's fallen apart, and a bunch of people won't go to their events anymore because they were accused of impropriety. | ||
| And then you have new ones, like across the pond, you've got QEDCon and stuff like that. | ||
| They're actually doing it like the old school. | ||
| It's like a bunch of people are meeting up and talking about things, and they have panels, and they have... | ||
| Zero tolerance rules for the convention, stuff like that. | ||
| Zero tolerance for what? | ||
| For sexual harassment or anything like no means no. | ||
| It's consent laws or consent guidelines and all that. | ||
| And it's really cool. | ||
| But do they need that at conferences? | ||
| Isn't that just common human nature and dignity? | ||
| Well, it is. | ||
| And a majority of people should know that. | ||
| But then we have rape-advocating fuckwits that run for president. | ||
| He's into pussy-grabbing. | ||
| But still rape advocation. | ||
| He's absolutely advocating the abuse and rape. | ||
| But it's locker room talk. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
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Don't you understand, Trevor? | |
| I've been in a locker room. | ||
| I played fucking hockey. | ||
| I played football. | ||
| I played tennis. | ||
| That dude ain't never been in a locker room, first of all. | ||
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Fuck no. | |
| No. | ||
| No, he has not. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, it's absolutely just great. | ||
| But so, like, there's a big thing. | ||
| Every year I'm a guest at DragonCon. | ||
| It's a pop culture con in Atlanta. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And because it's all fan-run, they have different programming tracks, I go talk on the science track. | ||
| You know, talk about beer and cooking or dinosaurs or two years ago I ripped apart Jurassic World, stuff like that. | ||
| You didn't like Jurassic World? | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| But dude, the people that you loved made it to the end and lived. | ||
| That's the best part about the movie. | ||
| That Chris guy and the beautiful girl, I knew they were going to make it. | ||
| It was a really bad monster horror film. | ||
| It was really good, because the little kids didn't die either. | ||
| Those kids made it. | ||
| Are their parents back together? | ||
| The dinosaurs were running after the kids, and the kids got away from the dinosaurs and survived. | ||
| That's a good movie. | ||
| They hid behind their jeep. | ||
| Good job there. | ||
| The dinosaur didn't get him, even though he smelled him. | ||
| You can't hold a smile on that. | ||
| You cannot hold character on that. | ||
| No, it's a good movie. | ||
| First of all, what's that guy's name? | ||
| Chris... | ||
| Pratt. | ||
| Pratt. | ||
| He's a beautiful man. | ||
| I'm happy he lived. | ||
| And the girl, they wound up being boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the movie, so it's a good movie. | ||
| Who saw that coming? | ||
| Who saw the beautiful man and the beautiful girl getting together at the end? | ||
| Halfway through the movie when they joked about... | ||
| No, there was animosity at the beginning. | ||
| But no, they joked about that they went on a date before, so of course, you know, the stressful situation. | ||
| Look at speed. | ||
| And plus he said, oh, I didn't watch that movie. | ||
| Didn't have any dinosaurs in it. | ||
| But the... | ||
| But dinosaurs don't exist. | ||
| They're only in movies. | ||
| I'm Eric Dubé. | ||
| That super intelligent dinosaur crushes that little thing that they're in, but they manage to slip out the bottom and the dinosaur doesn't see, and then they run off. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| Spoiler alert, these little kids with tiny little stubby shitty human legs can outrun a fucking dinosaur the size of a building. | ||
| The size of a five-story building. | ||
| This thing's screaming and tearing trees apart, and he's on a fucking death run to get at these little kids for some reason. | ||
| Yeah, with all the other dinosaurs and shit in the park. | ||
| All the other shit that he could eat. | ||
| Gotta eat those. | ||
| With his gigantic head. | ||
| He just wants to eat these little tiny people that are barely a snack. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like you chasing after an ant. | ||
| Like, that fucking ant! | ||
| I need it! | ||
| That one right there. | ||
| That motherfucker! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a good movie. | ||
| It was a good movie. | ||
| It was good at the end, too, where all the pterodactyls came in and picked people up. | ||
| Yeah, and Jimmy Buffett with the cameo, running away. | ||
| Jimmy Buffett was in there? | ||
| Yeah, so they have Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville as a stand at the thing. | ||
| When the dimorphodons and the horrible dimorphodons and the really shitty pteranodons come out... | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Are we seeing the same movie? | ||
| Yeah, they can't lift people up. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| It's my job! | ||
| I can't go to a movie like that and use plausible deniability in their similitude. | ||
| Is that what they were in pterodactyls? | ||
| What's a pterodactyl then? | ||
| A pterodactyl is a species of pteranodon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So those pteranodons, that was wrong, that can't pick people up? | ||
| No. | ||
| They weigh less than most people. | ||
| How much they weigh? | ||
| Maybe somewhere around the small ones, like 75 pounds. | ||
| And they don't have the foot strength. | ||
| They have the foot strength in order to hold their body up. | ||
| Thrust-to-weight ratio, man. | ||
| They can't reach down. | ||
| They don't have the grip to grab... | ||
| So not like an eagle that can grab a salmon. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Different sort of build. | ||
| Totally different build. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| They got fucked by evolution. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did they have feathers, those fuckers? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| Okay, now I have to say a couple things in Jurassic World were kind of cool. | ||
| Like Chris Pratt's face? | ||
| No. | ||
| I liked him more in... | ||
| How about his girlfriend's face? | ||
| Okay, now Bryce Dallas Howard. | ||
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Is that her name? | |
| Bryce Dallas Howard. | ||
| Kind of hot. | ||
| She's beautiful. | ||
| Kind of hot. | ||
| What do you have, high standards, you fuck? | ||
| Well, no, she's... | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| No, she's even hotter in The Martian, I have to say. | ||
| Oh, The Martian. | ||
| She's absolutely beautiful in The Martian. | ||
| When is she in The Martian? | ||
| She's the commander of the Ares IV mission. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| They went crazy science fiction. | ||
| They have a chicken control. | ||
| Let's just do complete fiction. | ||
| Let's just go off the deep end. | ||
| Make it totally unbelievable. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
|
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Social justice warrior. | |
| Interesting. | ||
|
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Trevor has a little bit of it in him. | |
| Okay, about that term. | ||
| Social justice warrior? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a wonderful term. | ||
| It can also be used for the opposite. | ||
| The people that are going for no political correctness, the people that are going all that, they want social justice on their side. | ||
| They are also social justice warriors. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| They're looking for their... | ||
| But that's not going to stick. | ||
| That's how they call white people honkies. | ||
| It doesn't hurt. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Have you called someone to mock social justice warriors a social justice warrior, too? | ||
|
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I have. | |
| Because you're trying to eliminate all political correctness. | ||
| You're a social justice warrior. | ||
| I have. | ||
| Okay, whatever, dude. | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| It's pissed them off. | ||
| I bet you have. | ||
| And it has pissed them off. | ||
| I bet you think it's pissed them off. | ||
| People just like to argue, man. | ||
| You can piss people off by calling them a fucking ninny. | ||
| You stupid ninny. | ||
| No, oh god, there was one guy I called a chump. | ||
| And he was like, you wouldn't say that to my face. | ||
| I'm like, chump. | ||
| Yeah, I would. | ||
| Chump is a... | ||
| God, what was his Twitter handle? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Chump is pretty dumb. | ||
| There's no need to call him out by his Twitter handle. | ||
| No, well, I don't remember it anyway, but he's still a chump. | ||
| It's really kind of innocuous, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Somebody called me a chump, I'd be like, alright, man, I'll let you have that. | ||
| We'll just end this. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| Oh yeah, you fucking pussy! | ||
| Oh yeah, you're a chump! | ||
| Alright, we're good? | ||
| We just leave it alone. | ||
| You call me a chump. | ||
| If you're happy with chump, I'll just... | ||
| It's like you're not calling me like a mentally bereft Muppet or, you know, some kind of, like, just... | ||
| Well, see, you like to get verbose with your insults. | ||
| Fuck yeah, I do. | ||
| You like to go deep with your education. | ||
| I have a pretty decent vocabulary. | ||
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I understand. | |
| You're a fucking paleontologist. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Use what you got, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, some dudes just chomp as where they draw the line. | ||
| That fucking word. | ||
| No, he got mad. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| And then he tried to go, it's like, oh no, I was laughing at it. | ||
| I'm like, no, you weren't, dude. | ||
| You're moving the goalpost. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Some people do get really upset at just really innocuous words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They choose. | ||
| They have words they choose where they decide, but none of them ever stick on white people. | ||
| That's the amazing thing. | ||
| There's never been a single racial slur that stuck on white people. | ||
| Yeah, there has. | ||
| Well, name one. | ||
| Name one. | ||
| What can you call us? | ||
| Help me. | ||
| I fucking even hate saying them, but there's... | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| Hit me with it. | ||
| Slur against Jewish people? | ||
| No, white people. | ||
| Not Jews. | ||
| Not Jews in specific. | ||
| But that's specific. | ||
| But they're still white? | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| White Anglo-Saxon Protestants? | ||
| Wasps? | ||
| That doesn't hurt anybody. | ||
| Bitches laugh while they're using their credit cards. | ||
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They're like, ha ha ha! | |
| That was a serious slur back in the day. | ||
| Back before people could read and realize how stupid it was? | ||
| Listen, Wasp ain't shit, dude. | ||
| That doesn't hurt nobody. | ||
| You can't come up with one. | ||
| Well, one that is sticking right now, and I'm kind of glad it is, is white privilege. | ||
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That doesn't stick. | |
| Fuck yeah, that's sticking. | ||
| That doesn't hurt. | ||
| That's sticking harsh, and I totally agree with it. | ||
| You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. | ||
| Trevor, I gotta bring it. | ||
| I'm hanging out with smart fucking people, man. | ||
| Because if white privilege hurts them, if you say that and they go, how dare you? | ||
| No, those are not people I hang out with. | ||
| Oh, fuck no. | ||
| But watching the reaction of people. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I'm sorry. | ||
| White privilege is totally a fucking thing. | ||
| It's absolutely a thing. | ||
| It is documented. | ||
| It is proven. | ||
| There's institutional racism. | ||
| It is 100% fucking fact. | ||
| Well, what white privilege is, is sort of the lack of racism against white people, and it highlights racism against other people. | ||
| So what white privilege really is, is how everybody should sort of be treated. | ||
| Everybody should be treated like they're not a criminal, Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, I think it's a real thing, for sure, but I think really what we should concentrate on, instead of concentrating on getting white people to kowtow and to bow down to the fact they have privilege, to just eliminate racism from the world, which I think is entirely a possible thing in our lifetimes. | ||
| It's totally possible, but the problem with that is we have to come to terms with being privileged. | ||
| We have to come to terms with... | ||
| Come to terms? | ||
| Yeah, we have to, you know, people have to understand that, yes, because you are white, you are privileged. | ||
| Because you are white, you will not get pulled over as much. | ||
| You will not get shot as much. | ||
| We have to come to terms with that in what way? | ||
| Because we're the ones doing the institutional racism. | ||
| Well, not we. | ||
| We're not doing the institutional racism. | ||
| Not we. | ||
| Someone is. | ||
| Someone, you know, white. | ||
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Right. | |
| But who are these people that are doing that? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Police officers? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Police officers? | ||
| Politicians? | ||
| We have an issue with police officers, first of all, because I don't think, I think there's almost no one who is qualified to be a police officer. | ||
| I think it's an insanely difficult job. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| That we just assume people can handle. | ||
| And I think it's a chaotic, ridiculous amount of pressure that these people have to endure on a daily basis. | ||
| They're pulling people over. | ||
| They have no idea they're going to be shot. | ||
| They see death every day. | ||
| They see people getting shot and accidents and murders and domestic violence and chaos. | ||
| And I don't think people are psychologically able to handle that. | ||
| I think we think of it as a job- Very, very few. | ||
| Absolutely very few. | ||
| We think of it as a job the same way we think of camera repair and, you know, someone who builds cars. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It's not a job. | ||
| It's an incredibly difficult psychological endeavor to try to take on the task of being the voice of the law or the arm of the law and to go out and to treat people with respect and dignity and to not be terrified at every fucking traffic stop. | ||
| That's a big problem. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| It's a big problem. | ||
| And then there's also the problem with the communities that we've allowed these terribly disenfranchised and impoverished communities to stay exactly the way they are, without pumping federal funds into them, without trying to clean them up, without trying to figure out a way to elevate people in these areas. | ||
| We want them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. | ||
| And without doing it with gentrification, without going in there because, hey, that's where the rent is currently cheap. | ||
| And taking over those areas and forcing out lower rent families that can't make enough money. | ||
| Yeah, well that's like a sneaky thing that people do. | ||
| But they do it! | ||
| But they do it! | ||
| But not all just real estate people do it. | ||
| People do it like looking for apartment buildings and all that. | ||
| It's like, it's... | ||
| That's a very real thing. | ||
| And if more people with more money move into an area, rents go higher. | ||
| This is fucking statistical. | ||
| And then those people that are on assisted funding or people that have limited access to funds because of jobs and all that, they get pushed out of those areas and they create concentrated areas of very low middle class to low class poverty, food deserts, horrible fucking places. | ||
| And everybody just turns a fucking blind eye to it. | ||
| Well, people are busy with their own lives. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| Most people don't have the resources or the wherewithal to do anything to have an impact on these impoverished communities. | ||
| They have their own credit card debt, student loan debt. | ||
| But they can at least understand that that is going on. | ||
| Okay, you understand and I understand, but how is that helping those people? | ||
| That's a very good question. | ||
| Give me a second so I don't sound like a ranting idiot. | ||
| We understand... | ||
| First of all, congratulations for taking a pause. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Because most people don't. | ||
| Most people, they just... | ||
| They just keep plowing through. | ||
| They don't go home. | ||
| Let me think about this. | ||
| Like shitting on Eric Dubé. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| I know, you're still angry. | ||
| I fucking trolled you. | ||
| You totally, totally, I will get my revenge. | ||
| I knew, I knew before this podcast, oh my god, that's in my back pocket. | ||
| I'm gonna have to fucking bring out that video at one point in time. | ||
| I wanna watch him, watch him get fucking beat ridden. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We know that is true. | ||
| Is it affecting us? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| Can it affect the human race as a whole? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because of that, because of the reach you have, I don't nearly have the reach you have, but because of the reach you have... | ||
| Well, you have that reach right now. | ||
| I have that, absolutely, right now, but this is like, what, twice in two years? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You do this fucking five times a week. | ||
| But the numbers that this podcast will reach in comparison to the numbers that reached two years ago, dude, you're going to hit millions of people right now. | ||
| Well, then that's great. | ||
| With what you're saying. | ||
| Well, then what they need to do is they need to understand. | ||
| And yes, this isn't like, you know, a send money to Africa thing and all that. | ||
| Yes, there's horrible poverty in the world. | ||
| There's horrible food shortages in the world and all of that. | ||
| But you also have to think about what is happening specifically in your community. | ||
| We are one species. | ||
| We are Homo sapiens sapien. | ||
| It's our job because we're affecting the planet to also fix... | ||
| Because we live here. | ||
| This is our current home. | ||
| This is the only one we have. | ||
| We have overpopulation problems. | ||
| We have food problems and all that. | ||
| Start small. | ||
| Fix your fucking community by simply saying hi to your neighbor. | ||
| If you're in a crowded apartment building and you have a person struggling with groceries, why not offer to fucking help? | ||
| Because then that chick's going to worry you're going to rape her. | ||
| You're going to follow her into her apartment. | ||
| Just to put them in the fucking elevator and to put them out the elevator. | ||
| Something simple as that. | ||
| I have an idea. | ||
| How about people actually bother to merge correctly on freeways? | ||
| Or to not cut people off at the last second. | ||
| Think about what your actions are doing. | ||
| Think cognitively. | ||
| On what that is happening. | ||
| What's causing that? | ||
| All of you motherfuckers that cut in at the last time to get around traffic, guess what? | ||
| You're causing the fucking traffic. | ||
| This is simple physics. | ||
| I don't think this is going to help poor people. | ||
| No, but it's not. | ||
| What's going on, Jamie? | ||
| There's actually an article just came out, I think this week, that says that that helps traffic. | ||
| I don't know if it's probably a scientific study. | ||
| The people cutting people off helps traffic? | ||
| Not cutting people off, but the people that merge in last second, last second mergers, improve traffic. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Because everyone backs up behind it. | ||
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Science, motherfucker! | |
| Science, it's impossible! | ||
| But everything backs up behind them. | ||
| Maybe not, if they're good. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| They can zip in. | ||
| They got a little Miata or something like that. | ||
| My challenge is 16 feet long. | ||
| That's a big car. | ||
| I love those cars. | ||
| It's right out there. | ||
| Those are fun. | ||
| Trade ya. | ||
| No. | ||
| Anyway, but helping... | ||
| But I like them. | ||
| So do I. Helping in your community is simple. | ||
| So, like, the place I work right now, the faculty... | ||
| We're a neighborhood bar. | ||
| We're nice to people in the neighborhood. | ||
| We make deals with the local business owners. | ||
| We talk about the neighborhood. | ||
| We try and drive crime out. | ||
| We try and do all that kind of thing. | ||
| My owner owns two shops on that block. | ||
| We're trying to revitalize the block. | ||
| We're not trying to gentrify it. | ||
| We're not trying to bring in the hipsters from fucking Silver Lake and all that bullshit. | ||
| What's wrong with the hipsters? | ||
| Don't get me started. | ||
| But they look like you. | ||
| They have yellow beards and they wear weird clothes. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| They have tattoos? | ||
| I don't have skinny jeans, dude. | ||
| Come on, look at me. | ||
| But you're a big fella. | ||
| I'm a big fella. | ||
| But if you're a little fella, you might have skinny jeans. | ||
| No, I wouldn't do that. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| What's wrong with the hipsters? | ||
| It's the pomposity of hipsters that bother me. | ||
| I love that word. | ||
| I love that you used pomposity. | ||
| Not all hipsters. | ||
| Hashtag not all hipsters. | ||
| Um... | ||
| Hashtag yes all women, hashtag not all hipsters. | ||
| There are a select few that are the stereotypical hipster of like, you know, it's like, oh, you know, I liked them before they were cool and shit like that. | ||
| Yeah, they have vinyl. | ||
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I only listen to vinyl in my car. | |
| Fucking record player in their Prius. | ||
| Cunt. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| That's a stupid fucking image, man. | ||
| Hey, you know what's happened. | ||
| There was a record player that they came up with for cars in the 1950s, I want to say? | ||
| Was that before speed bumps were invented? | ||
| No, man. | ||
| I mean, it didn't work. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But there was a record player for cars a long fucking time ago. | ||
| I'm trying to remember. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Chrysler did eventually add an option to play 45 RPM records on the Highway High Five. | ||
| But perhaps that choice came too late. | ||
| In 1960, a much cheaper car record player was offered as a Chrysler option to come on the market. | ||
| The RCA Victor Auto Victrola. | ||
| It cost $51. | ||
| It would be $410 today. | ||
| And you can play your own 45s on it. | ||
| Way to go, Mopar. | ||
| Wow, powerful Mopar. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucking... | ||
| Look at this thing, man. | ||
| That's awesome! | ||
| This is pretty fucking dope. | ||
| But, you know, obviously, you gotta drive real slow and hit no bumps and probably got super annoying. | ||
| But look how it works, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's badass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You pick up the record player, you slide it in there, and it literally... | ||
| That's a stack. | ||
| It's like an early CD changer. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they used to do. | ||
| People don't remember that, but the needles used to lift up and they would take the next record and drop it down and play the next one. | ||
| That was so cool back then. | ||
| We'd stack a bunch of records on top of each other. | ||
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How much better would it read off that if it's reading the bottom? | |
| The weight, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah, good idea. | ||
| And if there's any kind of shock absorption there, that would be... | ||
| Play it, see if we can hear anything. | ||
| That car's sitting still, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 61 DeSoto. | ||
| That song makes me want to kill myself. | ||
| Something about that old music that reminds me of, like, Grandma's house, like, right before she died. | ||
| And you're like, oh, it's depressing in here. | ||
| And on that note... | ||
| Let's wrap this bitch up and bring it home, Trevor. | ||
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Right on. | |
| Thank you, brothers. | ||
| Really, we gotta do this more often than every two years. | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's like all those text messages back and forth. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| We can do this all the time. | ||
| Fuck yeah, we can do this. | ||
| Dude, I'm local. | ||
| You're local. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We can make this happen. | ||
| Yeah, and next time when you're at the place across the street from where I am, come the fuck over. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| I was at the Ha Ha Cafe. | ||
| And I was at Tiki No. | ||
| What's Tiki No? | ||
| Tiki No's a badass tiki bar in North Hollywood. | ||
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Oh. | |
| It's right there on Lanker. | ||
| You go to a lot of bars, fella, huh? | ||
| Kind of a boozer, a little bit? | ||
| Functional alcoholic? | ||
| Cheers, sir. | ||
| Cheers on that, man. | ||
| Thank you again. | ||
| In order. | ||
| Tattoos and bones on Twitter, if you want to yell at them for being a flat-earth shill, or a round-earth shill, rather. | ||
| People are already doing it. | ||
| They're like, you should call him out on his fatness. | ||
| He's not healthy. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| Don't read that out loud, for sure. | ||
| You're feeding the trolls. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Now they have data. | ||
| Hey, Knicks Droid, David Jennings, fuck you. | ||
| Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow with Duncan Trussell. |
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