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Oct. 9, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - October 8, 2016
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brendan schaub
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cameron hanes
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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jamie vernon
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unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
We're live ladies and gentlemen!
UFC 204 Fight Companion with my brother Edgy Bra is here!
unidentified
Hello!
joe rogan
First time ever in the Fight Companion Cameron Haynes is here ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
What's up?
joe rogan
And of course Brandon motherfucking Sharp aka Big Brown and we're here live for the Bisping versus Henderson rematch a fucking huge fight for the middleweight championship of the world in Bisping's hometown of Manchester, England.
They are gonna be going all Off!
When he gets into that cage.
cameron hanes
He's never lost?
Where, over there?
brendan schaub
Yeah, over there, he's never lost.
joe rogan
Well, dude, there's some serious love for Bisping in Manchester.
When I went to Bisping, to Manchester to watch him fight, I remember thinking, I've seen him fight a couple times in England, I believe, but when you see him over there, you realize, oh, they just don't like him in certain parts of America.
In England, he's gigantic.
brendan schaub
Super-starched.
He's the reason why MMA's so big over there.
joe rogan
Huge over there like you don't realize it because there's been a bunch of times for whatever reason the fans turned against him and some some events and hair for talking shit like the time when he said the f-word fag but in England it's different it's not a homosexual term.
brendan schaub
Isn't it a cigarette?
Yes so when he uses it over you know I'm saying he didn't mean it in that tone.
joe rogan
Right but that's how he was saying it he wasn't saying it like it was a cigarette he was saying it like...
brendan schaub
But over there it's a little different, you know what I'm saying?
They throw it around in a different connotation.
joe rogan
This is what you always understand when it comes to trash talking.
When two dudes are trash talking each other, you cannot expect them to keep it PC.
What they're trying to do is humiliate each other, it's verbal warfare.
And you can't say that that's his position on gay people.
Maybe it's rude for him to say it, maybe it's rude for him to insinuate there's anything wrong with being homosexual.
unidentified
Definitely.
joe rogan
But he's fucking with that guy.
You gotta understand, this is not like a deposition in court.
This is not like his ultimate feelings on homosexuality.
brendan schaub
It's not some Donald Trump shit.
joe rogan
He's calling some dude a fag because he wants to punch him in the face.
cameron hanes
Hopefully he doesn't run for presidency.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
We were talking about that Trump thing way over here.
brendan schaub
It's like that movie, The Campaign, with Will Ferrell.
eddie bravo
It's like, you can't make this shit up!
How crazy is it that it's a joke to say, hey, you better watch what you say or you'll get murdered by Hillary?
Isn't that crazy?
It's a joke and everyone knows it.
They say, you better watch what you say, Hillary will kill you, and that chick is running for president?
And that's like a joke!
joe rogan
Did you ever see that meme?
There's a meme of a deer laying on the side of the road.
It's dead.
And it said, what did that deer know about Hillary Clinton?
unidentified
See, it's a joke!
eddie bravo
Everyone's laughing!
That chick is gonna be president!
cameron hanes
Everybody's laughing.
eddie bravo
Everybody's laughing!
The only reason we would laugh is because it's true.
brendan schaub
That's the only reason we would laugh.
joe rogan
Yeah, it wouldn't be funny if you did that about Oprah.
brendan schaub
No, that's not funny.
That's a legit point.
That's not funny at all.
joe rogan
It's totally true!
brendan schaub
Yeah, it really is.
joe rogan
Well, there's that kid who, according to WikiLeaks... There it is.
According to WikiLeaks, the kid who is the DNC leak was the kid that got murdered outside of his place.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That guy got shot in the back at 4 o'clock in the morning outside of his apartment.
And according to the Julian Assange guy, I don't know if he knows for sure, but he believes that that guy's the leak.
That's the guy who sent the leaked emails.
brendan schaub
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
About them supporting Hillary over Bernie Sanders, like deliberately trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the picture.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm not talking shit on Hillary and Bill Clinton.
I'm just saying they're gangsters, you know what I mean?
I'm not saying it's bad.
They're like Tony Montana.
Did you like Tony Montana when you watched Scarface?
cameron hanes
I did.
eddie bravo
That's basically what Bill Clinton is like.
joe rogan
Look at this, what Jamie just put up there.
The missing hours of murdered DNC staffer alone in a bar, guzzling beer, depressed over trouble with his girlfriend.
The WikiLeaks-linked analyst refused to ride home, refused a ride home, and staggered out in the middle of the night to his mysterious death.
cameron hanes
Well, that's a rough night.
joe rogan
Yeah, it could have been just shitty decision-making.
brendan schaub
That's a little too convenient.
eddie bravo
How about that one girl who got, I think she got suicided.
brendan schaub
She was going to testify in a Paula Jones case with Bill Clinton and Paula Jones back in the day.
eddie bravo
And she was gonna be the witness, boom.
brendan schaub
She gets, uh... What's suicided, bro?
joe rogan
Suicided means... You pretend that someone killed themselves?
They pretend she killed herself?
eddie bravo
No, no, yes, but they make it really, really obvious that it wasn't a suicide.
It's like leaving a statement.
joe rogan
Do you guys remember the guy who was the whistleblower for Enron who shot himself in the head twice?
brendan schaub
Sure do.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
They did that on purpose.
cameron hanes
Twice.
joe rogan
Twice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He shot himself in the head twice and they said it was a suicide.
We don't see anything wrong with this.
Everything seems normal.
That's a real story.
eddie bravo
If you have anything to do with politics and you get suicided, if you look into it, it's probably going to be pretty obvious it wasn't a suicide.
brendan schaub
I could see Wiener commit suicide soon.
joe rogan
No, because he's not in office.
cameron hanes
Who?
joe rogan
Anthony Wiener.
unidentified
He just can't not send a dick pic.
joe rogan
Dude's a freak.
brendan schaub
He's botted up, too, for his age.
I'm not mad at it.
Don't have your kid in the bed, though, posting dick pics.
That's where I draw the line.
joe rogan
For sure should get into stand-up comedy.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
He's a powerful speaker.
He's obviously a mess.
I bet he's hilarious.
unidentified
Did you see that Robert De Niro speech about Donald Trump?
eddie bravo
No, De Niro?
Robert De Niro was like, for 30 seconds, he goes, that scumbag, I want to fucking punch Donald Trump in the face.
cameron hanes
Because of this last thing?
unidentified
Maybe not exactly like that, but... For sure just after.
eddie bravo
Just punch in Robert De Niro and talk mad shit on Donald Trump.
unidentified
Hey, we got some good candidates.
joe rogan
Let's bring it to the beginning, Jamie, please.
And put it in our ears so we can hear this.
Can you do it?
Is it alright?
Or no?
unidentified
He's so blatantly stupid.
He's a punk.
He's a dog.
He's a pig.
A mutt who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Doesn't do his homework.
He's an idiot.
Colin Powell said it best.
He's a national disaster.
He's an embarrassment to this country.
It makes me so angry that this country has gotten to this point.
That this fool, this bozo, has wound up where he has.
He talks how he wants to punch people in the face.
Well, I'd like to punch him in the face.
This is somebody that we want for president?
I don't think so.
What I care about is the direction of this country.
And what I'm very, very worried about is that it might go in the wrong direction with someone like Donald Trump.
If you care about your future, vote for it.
Jesus.
eddie bravo
Well, if he's voting for Hillary, he's an idiot.
unidentified
Well, before, I wasn't gonna vote, but now... Is he voting for Hillary?
eddie bravo
So, if he's saying... I mean, we got a crazy choice here.
Donald motherfucking Trump and Hillary?
Holy shit!
We know Hillary's crooked as fuck!
joe rogan
Well, there's Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate.
That's a real option.
And he's reached as high as, I think, 20% in some states.
When people are scrambling, this is the best time ever for a Libertarian candidate.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah!
cameron hanes
That said independent at the end.
What was that meaning?
joe rogan
Well, Independent is Libertarian, Green Party Candidate is a bunch of different people, Jill Stein, she's the nominee.
See, no one even hears about her.
She's the Green Party Candidate.
But she said some ridiculous shit that drives me crazy.
One of the things that I think she means well in a lot of areas, but one of the things she said, she thinks that 16-year-olds should be allowed to vote.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
brendan schaub
Bitch, I'm 33, I shouldn't be able to vote.
I don't know shit about it.
joe rogan
I'm gonna vote, though!
For sure, there should be a reason why we value your opinion.
And the thing about voting that's beautiful is that everybody gets to vote.
But the weird thing about voting is that there's a lot of us out there that really shouldn't have a fucking opinion.
They just haven't researched it.
It's based on nonsense.
They just pick one side that looks like the better guy in the movie, and that's what they go with.
brendan schaub
That's why Trump, I think, is pulling ahead a little bit.
You know what I'm saying?
Or doing well, not pulling ahead, but doing well, because 18 to 36, social media, you see only him.
Headlines, headlines, headlines.
It's the Kim Kardashian effect.
He's the Kim Kardashian of presidents, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
And there's also a time, and that time is probably coming up very soon, where polls are no longer accurate.
Because no one's taking them.
I'm not taking them.
You're not taking them.
I'm never taking a poll.
Who the fuck goes to a poll?
The people that they're getting and they're talking to in polls, I have a whole bit about it.
That's the real 1% we should be concerned with.
The 1% who answer polls.
brendan schaub
For sure just let me text in my vote.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
How about that?
joe rogan
From my couch in my underwear.
eddie bravo
How about we have like Instagram polls, you know, and you can't progress, you can't do any more Instagram activity until you vote yes or no on this shit.
Well then I just won't get on Instagram.
If they were locked out of social media, they'd vote.
- If you walked out of social media, they'd vote. - Or a Facebook, and it's right there, pops up, you can't do shit.
Your phone is frozen, - Just your phone, son. - 'til you make that fucking boom.
joe rogan
- Yeah, but you should wanna have an opinion based on something.
Or say, how this guy's setting Mursad Bekdik and Russell Doan, And it's 4.52, 4.51, 4.50, 4.49 of the first round.
So right now it's 4.45, 4.44.
So our sync will be like a few seconds off.
So if you want to sync up to the podcast, just pause your shit for a couple seconds and figure it out, bitch.
I don't want us to go, OH SHIT!
And then you see it.
That does happen, and it's a bummer, and I'm sorry.
cameron hanes
How crazy is it that we have an actor talking crap about a presidential candidate?
What?
unidentified
But he'll sway some votes, too, so I was like, oh, fuck, I left him in good thoughts.
cameron hanes
What is going on?
joe rogan
So weird.
cameron hanes
What is going on?
This country is...
I don't even know what's going on.
joe rogan
I don't know what's insane.
brendan schaub
Dave Chappelle has a whole skit on that a while ago when September 11th happened.
He said he turned on MTV.
He's like, I don't give a fuck what Ja Rule thinks about September 11th.
Like he was all over the TV.
Why the fuck is he talking right now?
eddie bravo
A former director of the CIA came out and just crushed Donald Trump just like that too.
Not like a gangster like he just did, but a former director of the CIA had to come out and say, listen, I got my issues with Hillary, too.
He didn't get into them.
He goes, but Donald Trump, if we allow this guy to be president, it's going to fuck our country, basically, is what he said.
brendan schaub
I think he might even win more now, because guys are like, you know what?
joe rogan
He's kind of like me!
eddie bravo
The establishment is scared to death of Donald Trump.
That's what I'm seeing.
cameron hanes
But it almost helps, because his name is out there more, right?
People are seeing it.
People are like, hey, De Niro's talking about him.
joe rogan
Almost, in some way.
Almost, you're right.
In some way, it might almost help.
But see, here's the thing.
It's a long time before November.
I mean, it doesn't seem like it is, but it is.
In this weird climate, crazy shit can happen with these people.
eddie bravo
For sure.
cameron hanes
How much more can come out?
brendan schaub
Who knows?
eddie bravo
What do you really think about Hillary?
joe rogan
I don't want any politician that's deeply entrenched in the political system at this point, in terms of who's influencing them.
She's doing things like these speeches in front of these bankers where she gets paid a quarter million dollars.
You don't do those if you're on the up and up.
That's just a payoff.
Nobody wants to see her talk for an hour.
Come on, man.
She's not funny.
Is she saying something?
Is she going to motivate you?
Is this like an Anthony Robbins speech?
eddie bravo
All the dreaming.
And people buy it.
It's just like Dane Cook and shit.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
I don't understand what that means.
I don't understand what that means.
brendan schaub
I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
What she's like is she's like the classic model of the politician who's not doing anything illegal.
But it's distasteful when you look at it in terms of like a whole system.
Like the system of like...
These people getting these jobs or people getting things based on whether or not they donated or have donated to the Clinton Foundation.
There's a lot of issues that people are having a giant problem with.
And not me.
Someone said, oh, you're buying into conspiracy theories.
The Washington Post isn't a fucking conspiracy website.
They print a lot of stories about this.
There's a lot of people that don't like the connection between some politicians and some special interest groups that pay them a ton of money to speak at places.
brendan schaub
That's fair.
joe rogan
Like crazy money.
cameron hanes
People are just tired of politicians in general.
That's why they've gravitated towards Trump.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
joe rogan
No one takes those big speech monies.
You don't take that big speech money if you're really concerned about representing the people.
That's your own interests.
That's a giant red flag.
It's sort of unethical, but you're allowed to do it, because it's not illegal technically.
But god damn it seems dark.
If you're taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from oil companies, then you're making decisions whether or not those oil companies are going to profit or not based on policy?
For sure there's a connection.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you who's really fucked.
Trump's gonna be fine.
Jagillionaire, Scrooge McDuck.
Billy Bush, the other guy doing the interviews, the guy who's super fucked.
Billy Bush was the guy who was in the van.
Have you seen the video?
cameron hanes
No, I haven't.
brendan schaub
Oh, you guys haven't seen it?
cameron hanes
Talking about this latest thing?
brendan schaub
Excuse me, sir.
cameron hanes
Let's see it, Jamie.
joe rogan
The grab the pussy thing?
I don't even want to see it.
unidentified
I want to see it.
brendan schaub
It's legit.
I want to see it.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Hold on a second, man.
Mursad Bektik.
But got the back.
brendan schaub
Billy Bush was the guy on... Oh shit, he's got it!
joe rogan
Oh, he's got it!
He's got a tap!
Oh boy, we did the shittiest job ever of covering that fight.
brendan schaub
He was there before, and he hand fought, got out, and he got his back again.
Man.
I was balls deep in Billy Bush.
joe rogan
So Billy Bush is the guy who was talking to us.
brendan schaub
He was the host, and he's from Entertainment Tonight, or he was.
Can I see this?
Can we?
Yeah, that's young Jamie.
That's young Jamie.
Is she going through a seizure?
Well, no, Billy Bush is the guy I interviewed, and they didn't know their mics were hot.
joe rogan
But this is in 2005.
brendan schaub
He's like, yeah, he's like, you know, he's like, how about this chick?
Oh, how about her?
And, you know, he's kind of, he's fucked.
And then when they get out, there's a, you know, it's a host who's an attractive woman.
He goes, come on, give Donald a hug.
You at least got to hug him.
And after that talk, like, oh, he's a straight creep.
He's a creep.
Who's this guy?
Billy Bush.
You'll recognize him when you see him, I bet.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
To me, I just don't know how we got to this point where that's our option.
cameron hanes
No, I know.
joe rogan
And I think it's the outrage that people have.
I think this political system, and I'm obviously not any kind of an expert, but I think it's like a battleship.
I think it starts moving and it takes a long time to change course.
I think what we're seeing now is we're seeing it change course.
And we're seeing people's outrage.
Are people really outraged?
Yes, they are.
unidentified
There's Hillary winning in the polls and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what?
There's still outrage.
There's plenty of people that are outraged.
There's plenty of people that are just going to go Democratic no matter what.
There's plenty of people that realize that she's the better choice between the two monsters.
They like her better.
brendan schaub
Even Arnold came out against Donald Trump, I think.
Yeah, Arnold came out.
joe rogan
Excuse me, sir?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Are you fucking kidding me?
cameron hanes
Didn't he have a kid with his housekeeper?
brendan schaub
Donald didn't fuck the nanny while he was married.
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
But he was nice to them.
Arnold was like, I was nice to them.
I gave them the sausage.
I gave them that big kielbasa.
brendan schaub
Arnold was denouncing Trump?
unidentified
Yeah!
eddie bravo
Because he said it, dude, in his voice.
joe rogan
I can no longer stand for someone more of a scumbag than myself.
There's a line, people, he had just crossed it.
cameron hanes
There's a line?
joe rogan
Okay, you don't grab the pussy.
unidentified
First of all, a lot of them will let you, you just have to ask.
You're just grabbing pussy, left and right, grabbing pussy.
joe rogan
This is not good.
eddie bravo
And Arnold, you're pro-Hillary?
joe rogan
I think Hillary is a good woman.
She's just misunderstood.
And sometimes people, when they're around good women, they wind up suiciding themselves.
The power, the personality, it makes you humble.
unidentified
Donald Trump is a problem.
eddie bravo
What about all those emails?
joe rogan
Yeah, that email thing is not good.
eddie bravo
What does Arnold think about those emails?
unidentified
I don't understand the email.
joe rogan
The issue seems very complicated.
I've got to go.
Here's the governor!
That was our governor.
eddie bravo
That's awesome.
unidentified
I loved him.
brendan schaub
He's my hero.
eddie bravo
How about that, you know, the Bernie Sanders Hillary election rigging and all that crazy shit that they just covered up?
joe rogan
The DNC did.
eddie bravo
Oh, shooting in Orlando, boom, ba-bam!
joe rogan
Well, I don't think that's true.
See, that's a convenient connection between 330 million people in one spot.
And when something bad happens, you blame it on these people that set things up.
It's not easy to set things up, but it is easy to take advantage of those things.
But hold on a second.
When a shooting happens, first of all, that's what everybody wants to see.
So they're going to cover it, and it does lighten things up.
Here's a perfect example.
Do you remember Gary Condit?
Here's a perfect example of that.
Gary Condit was a politician who was having sex with his girlfriend, who was like a secretary or some shit like that, and she was really young.
And she turned up murdered.
And he was under investigation.
Everybody's like, holy shit, did this guy murder this politician?
Murder his girlfriend?
And then 9-11 happened.
So to think that Gary Condit set up 9-11 so that he could get away with murdering his girlfriend is the same kind of connection that people do when a nightclub shooting happens with a guy who was on the FBI terrorist watch list group.
A couple times.
He's a fucking nightmare, crazy person, who was gay, going to gay bars, and he had a fucking truckload of guns.
He was a nut.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's called a coincidence.
joe rogan
The idea that you could get that guy and recruit him and get him to do your bidding on a specific day so that it makes something else like get overshadowed in the news.
I think it's an easy way to fall in that way of thinking but I honestly think there's just so many events taking place that these people are really good at manipulating the press They're really good at focusing the national attention on things that don't matter.
Gay marriage is a big one.
How often does gay marriage come up whenever there's a big political event?
Less so now because it's so much accepted.
brendan schaub
Way less so now, yeah.
joe rogan
But it was always like the beach ball.
They would bounce in the air whenever they wanted to get something in the news that didn't matter.
It didn't matter to most people.
eddie bravo
Did you hear what just came out?
The Pentagon just got busted for Spending 500 million dollars to some British filmmaking crew or production company to make fake Al-Qaeda Taliban videos.
brendan schaub
That's on Washington Post or what?
This is everywhere.
eddie bravo
You can look this up.
unidentified
Ron Paul's... These are my skeptical hippo eyes, sir.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, okay.
Okay, so... I haven't heard of this.
You haven't heard of this?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
I figured CNN would be on it.
joe rogan
Okay, but let's find out if it's true.
Jamie, pull that shit up.
eddie bravo
Think about what that means.
Oh, it's true.
brendan schaub
Eddie is right.
unidentified
Oh, it's true.
joe rogan
Think about what that means.
But is it really true for sure?
Definitely.
eddie bravo
A million percent.
joe rogan
That's not a real number.
brendan schaub
Sir?
eddie bravo
They just got busted four days ago.
joe rogan
A million percent is so true it could read your mind.
eddie bravo
No, what if it is?
Let's just say...
Hypothetically.
unidentified
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
That they're making Al-Qaeda videos?
brendan schaub
Or ISIS videos?
They just got busted.
Those shitty DHS videos?
eddie bravo
spent 500 million dollars making out they just got busted those shitty VHS videos you saw in the news 500 million dollars worth of it was fake but is that really true Let's find out.
joe rogan
We're going to find out.
brendan schaub
Which ones are fake?
eddie bravo
What if it is, though?
What if it is?
jamie vernon
Like the Daniel Pearl one?
joe rogan
Here it is.
What's the website?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find a good site first, so we can pull it up.
joe rogan
What is this website?
brendan schaub
It's not a conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
This is something.com.org.
Socialist website?
unidentified
Oh.
eddie bravo
You guys are wondering, because it's too incredible, what does it really mean?
joe rogan
It means that everything we know about the Middle East, like all those terrorist videos, which ones, $500 million You're getting attracted to this before you know whether or not it's real.
I understand.
eddie bravo
I already looked into it.
joe rogan
Well, then tell us a good website to go to that'll verify it.
brendan schaub
How about US Uncut?
eddie bravo
Everything comes up, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is the thing.
When we're Google, it doesn't come up.
This is what's coming up.
Maybe there's another way to Google it?
What should we?
Fake news?
brendan schaub
See if one of the spam things pop up on YouPorn.
joe rogan
It's in a website about fake news and false flags.
cameron hanes
500 million should come up.
eddie bravo
All the conspiracy theory websites are jumping on this, are you kidding?
joe rogan
Right, but that's not Isis Alert.
brendan schaub
Isis Alert.
eddie bravo
They're all jumping on it.
brendan schaub
Put it in your email?
eddie bravo
I don't want that.
joe rogan
Jesus, what did it say?
brendan schaub
It said, Isis Alert, subscribe now.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
It's fucking terrifying.
joe rogan
They want to find out where the paranoid people are in case they need to collect guns.
brendan schaub
Yes, that's me.
eddie bravo
They faked it, making it look like it was Middle Eastern news.
joe rogan
Okay, but let's find out.
eddie bravo
This is real stuff.
joe rogan
They might have.
brendan schaub
How's it real though?
joe rogan
But hold on, they might have done that.
They did.
No, Eddie, these websites are horseshit.
These aren't the best websites.
That shit would be in the New York Times.
cameron hanes
We had a website that said, you saved me from a bear attack.
joe rogan
That's right.
unidentified
That's true.
brendan schaub
I heard that's true, though.
joe rogan
There was a website that I killed a mountain lion with my bare hands outside a club.
I disarmed an armed gunman.
Pentagon paid, okay, here we go, now Russia Today, now this, this is where it gets interesting, because Russia Today is probably one of the most, out of this big pile of people that are reporting on this, this is a very legitimate news source.
It's kind of weird because it's because it's Russia today, but this is where Abby Martin was, and they get away with a lot more than anything that's on television in the United States, like CNN or something along the lines.
eddie bravo
What does that mean?
Of course it's true, like I was telling you, but what does it mean?
It means that everything we know, it means basically...
Anybody that says, "You know what, they think some..." They faked $500 million worth, but anything that they're showing me now, it's real.
unidentified
What about like Daniel Pearl and his family and all these victims?
eddie bravo
You can't believe shit about the Middle East.
They faked $500 million worth of video.
joe rogan
Okay, but we need to really make sure that this is a big thing, right?
So we really need to make sure we know what the actual facts are.
brendan schaub
Eddie just dropped a bomb.
joe rogan
Well, we just need to know.
We need to know.
But it might be the truth.
But it might not be.
Because there's a lot of shit that people get wrong in these fucking stories, man.
These things get passed on from one person to another as gospel without people really looking into it.
brendan schaub
Now it's really legit.
Zeddy's dropped it on this.
joe rogan
I mean, it might be legit, right?
We don't know.
Would you be surprised if it was legit?
brendan schaub
Maybe they're paying Eddie to release this news.
eddie bravo
What if it was legit?
What does that mean?
I don't know.
cameron hanes
It doesn't mean much to me.
unidentified
Well, all the millions of lives of innocent civilians that have died in the Middle East... They still bombed the Twin Towers.
brendan schaub
Those people are dead.
unidentified
Oh, you fucked up!
joe rogan
He's baiting you.
unidentified
No, I'm not.
brendan schaub
Did you guys talk before?
unidentified
You put out September 11th around Eddie, and it's fucking garbage.
Oh, shit.
cameron hanes
Sorry.
Didn't mean to bring that up.
brendan schaub
No, I like this.
joe rogan
Tower 7, that's the most obvious, so if someone can look at a skyscraper If you've ever seen a video called What Conspiracy Theorists Don't Want To See About Tower 7, and what it shows is how slowly it actually fell apart before it totally collapsed.
eddie bravo
Dude, if you're arguing about Tower 7, that's exactly what he's doing.
It's exactly what's going on right now.
joe rogan
There's a top to the building.
There's a top to the building, and it starts to cave in.
unidentified
That's exactly what's going on right now.
cameron hanes
We need that Donald Trump video.
joe rogan
It starts to cave in minutes before.
cameron hanes
Do we have it?
joe rogan
We got the... We need the Donald Trump video.
- Five minutes before the thing collapsed.
Listen, it doesn't mean that it wasn't a controlled demolition. - We need the Donald Trump video.
- It doesn't mean it doesn't still look like a controlled, it doesn't mean it doesn't still look like a controlled demolition, but it's entirely possible because there's diesel fires in that building that it collapsed because it was a piece of shit building.
eddie bravo
Many experts have said it's impossible.
It's never happened!
So how is it possible?
joe rogan
You're right, many experts have said that.
eddie bravo
So you can't say it's possible, and experts are saying it's impossible.
joe rogan
Many experts are saying it's impossible, but many other experts are disagreeing with that.
And I'm not an expert.
I don't know if they're paid off, because don't you think that that would get out?
I don't know if they're paid off.
They might be paid off.
You might be right.
But they might not be paid off, too.
It might be that there's something we don't understand about structures.
eddie bravo
You gotta go with common motherfucking sense.
There's enough circumstantial evidence, there's fucking video of the building collapsing at free-fall speed, according to the official story, it was free-fall speed.
unidentified
It's impossible I don't have an engineering degree.
eddie bravo
It's impossible.
You don't have to have an engineering degree.
You don't have to be a professional race car driver to know someone's racing a car.
You can tell by seeing it.
And you hear enough unbiased structural engineers, chemists, one after another.
Bam!
Bam!
joe rogan
One after another.
unidentified
Bam!
Bam!
joe rogan
I'm going to go with them.
eddie bravo
With common sense.
joe rogan
But Eddie, let me stop you for a second.
You're only listening to the ones that want to think that it happened that way.
cameron hanes
Confirmation bias.
joe rogan
There are a bunch of other ones that don't think that.
See, this is the thing.
eddie bravo
Dude, I can't believe we're arguing about Tyler Sabat.
joe rogan
I'm not.
eddie bravo
That's incredible.
cameron hanes
Confirmation bias.
eddie bravo
I'm not fucking incredible.
joe rogan
I'm not a scientist, and I'm not a structural engineer.
So when there's a bunch of structural engineers arguing... You don't have to be.
eddie bravo
You just have to have a third-grade education to see that fucking skyscraper.
joe rogan
I can't remember third grade.
unidentified
Me neither.
joe rogan
Come on, Tom.
brendan schaub
That's third-grade shit.
eddie bravo
That's third-grade shit.
unidentified
That is.
joe rogan
Stefan Struve's about to fight here, ladies and gentlemen.
He's tall.
He's tall as fuck.
brendan schaub
Change of subject.
Hey, Struve!
Look at him.
He's tall.
Oh, he's white, too.
joe rogan
How do you say his name?
Daniel Omanchek?
cameron hanes
He's not ripped.
joe rogan
I think it's Omanchek.
brendan schaub
Omanchek.
He's not ripped, no.
He's seven foot.
For sure pick up a basketball, sir.
joe rogan
He's a giant dude.
He's been training a lot with Henry Hooft.
He's training with the Black Zillions now.
I like his pad work, man.
cameron hanes
What did I say?
Did his last fight, he get knocked out?
joe rogan
Is that what I... No, no.
His last fight, I think he won his last fight.
brendan schaub
Struve won his last, he beat Nogueira and he beat Bigfoot.
joe rogan
He got knocked out by Overeem, but I think that was three fights ago.
brendan schaub
Correct.
And he beat Stipe, if you remember.
joe rogan
Yeah, he knocked him out.
He stopped him.
cameron hanes
Can't they just give him seven foot?
joe rogan
I think it's him.
He says how tall he is.
Nobody can get up there to measure him.
brendan schaub
I don't know why he didn't take his word for it.
You're for sure seven foot.
cameron hanes
Just round that up.
brendan schaub
I think he likes it that way.
cameron hanes
That's a lot of digits, I guess.
joe rogan
I know, if he just stood up straight.
He's got a little bit of a slump for a 7-footer.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's 7-foot for sure.
joe rogan
But he's a long dude, and he kicked Stipe from way out.
It's funny, Stipe made a post about it, saying how important it was for him to have lost to this guy, because it really burned the fire under him.
It was an important loss.
But in the picture, he's head-kicking Stipe from across the room.
cameron hanes
It's so crazy!
brendan schaub
Like go-go gadget stuff.
joe rogan
And Stipe said, I'm thinking to myself, how the fuck is this guy kicking me in the head from way over there?
brendan schaub
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
It's a crazy picture.
See if you can find it, Jamie.
brendan schaub
And remember, Stroop had the horrible heart issue, man, where they thought he was going to have to retire.
joe rogan
Well, I think he still has a heart issue.
And one of the things he said is, he did an interview recently, like in this last week, that he said, I think that I'm going to be able to prove that you can win without a full use of your heart.
Like with a damaged heart, which is crazy.
brendan schaub
I would assume it affects cardio at some point, right?
If I have a whole heart and that bad boy's working, you have a hole in yours.
cameron hanes
Oh, for sure.
eddie bravo
That ref did three things.
He went like that.
brendan schaub
He goes, ear, nose, heart.
joe rogan
Do you guys remember Mills Lane?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was the original.
cameron hanes
Come on, let's get it on!
eddie bravo
That's probably a tribute to all his favorite refs.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, when Big John McCarthy started doing it for MMA, they sort of had an agreement.
Like, John would do it for MMA and he did it for boxing.
Let's get it on!
brendan schaub
It's a tough fight for Struve.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's tougher than people think.
cameron hanes
Really?
Oh, he's a good dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's very, very tough.
I don't think he's ever been finished.
Only lost by decisions.
cameron hanes
God, I've never seen him.
Struve is so big.
brendan schaub
Struve's so, so big.
joe rogan
As he's moving away from this guy, you realize what a distance gap there is between the two.
brendan schaub
You don't see him use his reach a ton, though.
cameron hanes
Look how much bigger he looks.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's something that working with Hooft will really fix.
brendan schaub
I agree.
If anyone's gonna get him there, it'd be Henry Hooft.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's a fellow Dutchman, too.
jamie vernon
Is that what you were looking for?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
That's where he pulled triangle on Pat Berry.
That was amazing.
cameron hanes
That's impressive.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Jumped.
I'll tell you where I can see Struve winning is by submission.
Because think about it.
Where are you going to find a 7-foot jiu-jitsu guy to train with?
To get ready for Struve.
joe rogan
It's true.
But he can win by other things too.
You know, I mean, he can stop.
cameron hanes
Oh, there it is.
joe rogan
Look at that.
brendan schaub
Look at that fucking picture.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
He's kicking him from the other side of the cage.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That is nuts.
joe rogan
I mean, that's like a foot difference between what Stipe can do to him and where he can hit Stipe.
That's crazy.
That's tough.
That's so hard to deal with.
It's the hardest thing to deal with in all low.
He just had to go left hand.
brendan schaub
You gotta get him going backwards.
joe rogan
Reach is the hardest thing to deal with in all striking.
brendan schaub
Well, yeah, one thing that doesn't get tired is reach, right?
joe rogan
Never gets tired.
cameron hanes
Height and reach don't get tired.
Ten inch advantage in reach.
unidentified
Ten inches.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
That's so big.
That's so big.
That's a giant gap.
brendan schaub
You sure as fuck don't want to sit outside, Daniel.
You gotta get in, brother.
joe rogan
You can't hang back with this guy because the distance is so vast.
brendan schaub
Yes.
Do what JDS did.
Do what Roy Nelson did.
Get in there and just fucking dirty box him.
unidentified
He just tagged him with that left hook, though.
joe rogan
The left really thumped him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That dude's throwing those casting punches.
Fedor style.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he is.
I like it.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Can't stay out there, man.
joe rogan
Boom!
unidentified
Head kick.
Oh!
Oh!
cameron hanes
That left is finding a home.
Boy, these boys are changing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're getting busy.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
I know.
He needs to keep that.
Snow Raven needs to keep that right up.
brendan schaub
I want to take him down.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
brendan schaub
You fucked up, Daniel.
joe rogan
Beautiful wizard.
He's going to step over.
No, back up.
brendan schaub
Struva jump guard now.
joe rogan
Oh, his triangles are nasty.
Well, his legs are so long, man.
He can wrap you up.
He's got a real good guard.
But!
brendan schaub
Super tricky.
joe rogan
Overeem got through that.
You know, when Overeem took him down, he knocked him out from inside his guard.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
brendan schaub
Ground and pen.
cameron hanes
Oh, there we go.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
Oh, I bet his darts are stealthy.
joe rogan
Oh, steps over.
Steps over.
See if he can get that mount.
Got the half guard.
cameron hanes
It's gonna be tough.
joe rogan
Yeah, Omenchuk's not going to like this.
This is not fun.
brendan schaub
I doubt he's on his back very often.
joe rogan
And Struve is so fucking long.
brendan schaub
So big.
Wouldn't you agree with this, Eddie?
Sometimes I like fighting bigger guys when they're this big and long, because you have so much more room to get out, like Shramp, get the half guard, recover guard, or stand up, because they're so fucking long.
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
It does make some sense.
brendan schaub
The hole's going to be way bigger.
eddie bravo
Looks like he's got a good arm triangle.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Yeah, he's putting the crunch down.
brendan schaub
Plenty of time.
eddie bravo
And it looks like he's...
joe rogan
Doing it from half guard.
brendan schaub
No, Daniel realized it.
Yeah, you're not getting that.
eddie bravo
He's got to underjack that arm a little more.
brendan schaub
Wasn't very sneaky there.
eddie bravo
But right here, if he could pull out his right knee and then force three-quarter mount, and then sit up, throw some punches, and then take this dude's back.
That's the Maya path right there.
Free the knee.
Go three...
Oh, he's going to do it.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Sit up, throw punches.
brendan schaub
This guy's going to turn.
He's going to turn and get his...
Oh, rear naked coming up.
joe rogan
hot there almost Trying to set it up.
brendan schaub
You got a lot of time.
You got a minute.
Go and body triangle that for me though, Stu.
You're seven foot.
cameron hanes
Yeah, why is he not doing that?
joe rogan
You know what, man?
brendan schaub
Some guys don't like it.
joe rogan
But there you go.
Look at that.
He rotates it over and did a good job.
He turned into it.
brendan schaub
He did.
joe rogan
Very smart.
brendan schaub
Oh, what's up?
You got 50 seconds.
cameron hanes
Come on.
Get to work.
joe rogan
There's the arm.
brendan schaub
I don't think Homeboy's ever been finished in this fight.
eddie bravo
He could just turn, let him mount again, and as soon as he sets up for a punch, give the back, and then that'll kill another 20 seconds.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's trying to roll him in here.
Now he's got the body triangle on the top, and if he rolls towards the body triangle, he can roll into the choke.
cameron hanes
Probably not enough time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, powerful Kevin Hart logo's on the mat.
eddie bravo
Powerful Kevin Hart.
Nah, he's fine now.
He's fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
cameron hanes
It's true, he won that round, didn't he?
joe rogan
For sure, yeah.
eddie bravo
For sure.
joe rogan
Look at this crazy control he's got.
He's like, oh, he's like almost in a twister setup.
Like an underneath or above twister setup.
brendan schaub
It'd be sick if he pulled off a twister on a BS heavyweight.
joe rogan
He's so big, he probably could pull it off from there.
brendan schaub
For sure.
This boy's tired now for sure.
That was a great job by Struve.
joe rogan
Struve is, what, 260?
brendan schaub
265.
He has to cut to 65.
unidentified
Does he?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
brendan schaub
We had the same Andrew Lex McMahon.
eddie bravo
So the key right there was Struve got the top half.
He didn't have to pass the whole guard at all.
And then he forced three-quarter mount.
Still didn't pass.
Sat up.
And before he threw punches, he actually ended up giving him the mount.
And then he gave his back up anyways.
He ended up on his back.
Because the way Maya's doing it, is dude stays in three-quarter mount and clamps onto your leg.
And he punches.
Dude covers up.
Gives him his back.
Maya never technically passed the guard.
brendan schaub
We're getting loose tonight.
I'm getting a Diet Coke.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
I'm crazy.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
Crazy.
Don't judge me.
joe rogan
I'm on my first Corona.
Don't judge me, man.
cameron hanes
It's got caffeine.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
You're trying to avoid caffeine?
brendan schaub
Hell no.
I encourage the caffeine.
cameron hanes
I'm just saying it's a drug.
brendan schaub
Oh, it is a drug.
joe rogan
Just say no.
brendan schaub
I'm addicted to coffee, so.
joe rogan
Just say no to drugs.
cameron hanes
Hey, so he wanted the, instead of punching sand on top, you know, full mount, he wanted to go for the submission.
You think that's where he's better?
eddie bravo
No, that's true.
brendan schaub
Daniel isn't giving him the option.
eddie bravo
You'll give him the back.
You can give your back easily to anybody.
It's like, I'm going to go to the worst fucking spot easily because everyone's going to let me go to the worst spot.
But sometimes, in this sport, you can't hit to the back of the head.
So now the worst spot is kind of a safe spot.
The only thing that's showing is the back of my head and you can't hit it.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
If that was legal, that would be death.
joe rogan
And one thing that you got to take into consideration whenever you see a fight and there's a ground exchange and there's a submission attempt versus a ground and pound, it's not right or wrong.
It's like what he thought was there at the moment.
Beautiful thing about MMA is that all these options are available.
Is that some people, like Cro Cop's knockout of Gabriel Gonzaga from inside the guard, it was devastating elbows from inside the guard.
It's like the first time we got to see like a world-class striker Who's gotten way better at wrestling.
Your boy Marco?
Way better at grappling.
eddie bravo
You see his last fight?
brendan schaub
Verdum helped him out a ton too with his grappling.
joe rogan
But when he fought Gonzaga, those elbows were so nasty.
brendan schaub
I don't think we've ever seen anything like that really, right?
In the UFC?
joe rogan
They were so next level.
It's like taking a guy like a Malapet or something like that, or like, you know, like a Buakaw.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And putting one of those guys, like that level, elbows, you would see devastating results.
brendan schaub
From standing to the ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Devastating results inside the guard.
So that's the right way to do it for him.
unidentified
God.
cameron hanes
Oh, look at that.
That's nice.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
He's on top.
brendan schaub
What's going on?
joe rogan
That's called smell my butt.
brendan schaub
Yep.
That's not a move.
joe rogan
He doesn't move.
brendan schaub
I'm surprised Darson has it.
He's got it.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Rowan Darson!
That was beautiful.
Look how tightly he got that.
Oh my god, he's trapped up against the cage.
He's trapped.
Oh, look at this dude.
This dude is so game.
He's so game.
He tapped him.
Super impressed.
cameron hanes
That was good.
joe rogan
Super impressed with that submission, and super impressed with how game that dude is.
Yeah.
I mean, he was stuck and getting strangled and neck-cranked, and he kept rolling.
brendan schaub
The cage didn't help him out at all.
joe rogan
Not at all.
I see, that's what I've been saying to you, man.
No cage.
brendan schaub
Open field.
joe rogan
I'm talking football field.
unidentified
You can do it!
brendan schaub
You can do it easily!
God damn it!
joe rogan
Let me handle it for you.
unidentified
I'll produce it for you.
joe rogan
You want to do it?
Shout-out on-air, ladies and gentlemen, this is my new president.
brendan schaub
I don't want to do it.
joe rogan
He's the Dana White of my organization.
brendan schaub
We have to do it on an Indian reservation.
joe rogan
Okay, let's do it.
I'm a big fan of the Native American people, so let's make it happen.
If they could clear off a nice football field-sized matted area for us.
unidentified
So we just do it at a football stadium?
joe rogan
You know what you do?
You have a black ground, like the center is black, and then you have an enormous white area.
When you get to the white area, it's understood that unless shit is getting crazy, Break it off and go back to the black area.
So you have a giant white area.
So even the white area, where like, say if you like, you sunk the DARS right there and he rolled, but he rolled into the white area.
You're staying in the white area?
No, you have plenty of time, you can keep rolling.
But it's understood that if you're in the white area, move back to the dark area.
And if you try to like, stay on the edge of the white area, people call you a pussy.
There it is!
Look at this!
Is this a fight in a football field?
Oh my God!
They already do it!
They already do it!
Of course they do it.
brendan schaub
They took your guys' ideas.
Oh, but you know what?
We can do it.
joe rogan
This is an MMA fight!
unidentified
Holy shit!
brendan schaub
Holy shit!
eddie bravo
What the fuck?
joe rogan
It's an MMA fight in a football field.
unidentified
They did it!
Yeah, I know.
brendan schaub
There's seven people there.
joe rogan
There's not that many people there.
But this is a great move.
unidentified
No, it's not!
joe rogan
It's in Russia.
Russians always have the best moves.
unidentified
It's a great move.
joe rogan
Oh, this is fantastic!
Oh my god, this is how the sport should be played!
unidentified
No!
Yes!
cameron hanes
They're gonna stay in like a 10-foot area probably.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is exactly how fights should take place.
Now that I see it, I'm so right.
brendan schaub
This is so stupid.
joe rogan
I'm 100% right.
Here's a better thing too.
It would be better for them to fight in the grass than it would be for them to fight on a- The grass?
Yes!
Better.
cameron hanes
No, it's itchy.
joe rogan
No, it's perfect.
Cause it's fucking raw.
It's natural.
You're dirty.
brendan schaub
Why not throw some rocks at it?
Why not throw some rocks at it?
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
You know, sand.
Sand.
We're gonna do it in sand.
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure this has no rounds, too.
joe rogan
No rounds is what we need.
You play football on the grass.
unidentified
Oh, leg lock!
eddie bravo
You play soccer on the grass.
brendan schaub
No round, they just go until someone gets finished.
cameron hanes
Dirty feet and everything.
joe rogan
Dirty feet and everything.
brendan schaub
In Russia it might be battle to the death.
They don't fuck around, they might battle to the death.
One of them might die.
joe rogan
Well you know what they could do?
One show would have a battle to the death and then everybody else would feel like a pussy.
cameron hanes
Yeah, the headliner.
brendan schaub
It'd be a one-upper, yeah.
joe rogan
No, every fight would be battle of the deaths.
brendan schaub
Are you talking about gladiator days?
We're going back.
joe rogan
If they did do that, everybody else would feel like a pussy in Russia, because they're so gangster.
unidentified
True.
eddie bravo
Man, they got some good leg-locking.
cameron hanes
I wonder if Putin would fight.
joe rogan
No, he wouldn't fight, but his bodyguard would.
He would have a killer bodyguard with crazy body tattoos, takes it off.
eddie bravo
Arm triangle from full guard!
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Putin would fight, but he'd just have it rigged, so the guy just dies.
Look at this.
joe rogan
These guys are super talented.
These are good fighters.
And I like the concept, man.
When did this take place, Jamie?
When did I rip this idea off?
unidentified
1997.
joe rogan
These guys are way too high level for that.
brendan schaub
This is in Boston.
joe rogan
What year is this?
unidentified
2012.
eddie bravo
2013, it says.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Yeah, there's no way that could be.
Isn't it funny that you could look at some MMA fights and go, oh, that's definitely not before 2000.
Oh yeah, easy.
Isn't that interesting though?
That's how quick the sport has evolved.
I can look at some fights from, if you say it's a world title fight, you look at it and go, oh, this has got to be like 1997, 1998.
Even like, I think, a guy who doesn't get enough love, Marlon Mirais, World Series of Fighting.
That Bantamweight dude?
brendan schaub
Yeah, stud.
joe rogan
Bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
He's just fighting World Series of Fighting.
joe rogan
Right, but he's world championship level.
Like, you look at him, you go, that's what I expect out of a world champion.
He's just a master striker, combination grappler.
He's a real solid MMA fighter.
Nasty, nasty fighter.
cameron hanes
He's fighting now?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's fighting in World Series of Fighting.
cameron hanes
Do they make lots of money compared to the UFC?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But a lot of guys from the UFC, like Dave Branch just fought Vinny Magalhaes.
I don't know who won that fight.
Do you know who won that fight?
eddie bravo
David Branch won a decision.
joe rogan
He won a decision?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Dave Branch is awesome.
joe rogan
Very good guy, too.
Very good fighter.
And him and Vinny were both in the UFC, so they got a lot of guys.
brendan schaub
Yeah, John Howard, too.
joe rogan
John Fitch.
brendan schaub
John Howard.
joe rogan
Paul Harris.
brendan schaub
Yup, and then they also got my boy Jake Shields.
joe rogan
Jake Shields, right.
brendan schaub
He's fighting Fitch.
joe rogan
He's fighting Fitch.
That's a good fight.
That is the same night as the UFC fight in, I think it's the same night as the UFC fight in New York City.
brendan schaub
I thought you fucked up, World Series.
cameron hanes
That's a tough draw.
brendan schaub
Or maybe it's that weekend.
Everyone fucked up.
joe rogan
Let's get busy with this.
What do you think about this?
Brendan Chobb, I am very excited about this fight.
I think people are fucking sleeping on Eddie Alvarez.
I think he's a dangerous, dangerous 155 pounder.
That motherfucker can punch.
He punches hard, he's fast as fuck, and there's not a human alive that's more game than that kid.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
joe rogan
That dude, if you've never seen him fight before, you gotta watch his fights in Bellator with Michael Chandler.
brendan schaub
And Dream.
Watch his fights in Dream.
joe rogan
And Michael Chandler's another dude who's out there who is world-class that could easily be fighting and winning in the UFC.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And you see it now with Eddie Alvarez, because it took a while for Eddie to get comfortable in the UFC.
Donald worked him over in his first fight.
brendan schaub
He got dismantled by Donald.
joe rogan
But now he's training with your boy!
brendan schaub
Mark Henry!
joe rogan
And look, Conor's a goddamn phenom, and he's got, as Firas Ahabi likes to call it, the touch of death in his hands.
brendan schaub
That's a scary fight, man.
Anyone who thinks it's an easy fight or not a big fight for Conor, they just don't know the sport.
joe rogan
They're out of their fucking mind.
brendan schaub
Talking about the underground king.
I think at 55, and everyone knows I'm the biggest Conor Nutt writer in the world, at 55 I just don't see a ton of success there.
I think Eddie Alvarez, if you look at the top 5, we've talked about this before, if you look at the top 5, it's his easiest matchup and that's a fucking nightmare for him.
Because Eddie can grapple his ass off, he's been in so many big fights, he doesn't get tired, he doesn't mind winning by decision either.
joe rogan
He doesn't get tired and he's a bigger grappler.
And he can fucking crack.
brendan schaub
And look at his resume.
joe rogan
Yes!
And his striking is crisp, man.
He's got crisp striking.
He's not an easy guy to hit.
You know, you can hit him, and he gets rocked, and he survives.
If you watch his Chandler fights, Eddie Alvarez got rocked and survived against Chandler and a couple other guys over in Bellator.
brendan schaub
Well, think about it.
How's Conor win this fight?
You go through it, he has to knock him out.
He has five rounds to knock him out.
You're not winning a decision against Eddie.
joe rogan
He could win a decision.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I disagree.
What about the fight with Gilbert Melendez?
Eddie won a decision in the Gilbert Melendez fight.
brendan schaub
Well, no, I'm saying Eddie wins by decision.
joe rogan
You don't think that Conor could beat him in a similar fight?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
No?
He has the endurance?
brendan schaub
The endurance, the takedowns, the grappling, with the striking, as the rounds go on, the knockout power goes down.
joe rogan
Do you think people sleep on Alvarez's wrestling?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Because I think they forget.
brendan schaub
They forget how good of a wrestler he is.
And his endurance, man.
joe rogan
It's a scary fight.
brendan schaub
How far did he get in college?
Where did he wrestle?
He was a high-level guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Was he Division 1?
brendan schaub
He was Division 1, oh yeah.
All-American?
I'm not sure, but compared to Conor, he's fuckin' Dan Gable.
joe rogan
Yo, this fight, this fight is nasty.
Right, and we all know that those guys, I mean, we're talking about Jimmy Maddow and Owen St.
Prue's about to go down.
No, I'm saying this fight is nasty, just not confuse people at home.
But I agree with you, man.
I think people sleep on him.
It's crazy, man.
I think until you've rolled with a real Division 1 wrestler, and you realize how fuckin' strong their wrestling is, All-American.
brendan schaub
Ah, that's high school.
National Prep, All-American.
joe rogan
What is his college wrestling record?
He doesn't have one?
brendan schaub
Does he have no college wrestling?
joe rogan
Doesn't say he has college wrestling?
brendan schaub
He got his wrestling in frickin' dream.
How about that?
eddie bravo
Yeah, he probably just went right in.
brendan schaub
He bypassed that career and went right into MMA.
joe rogan
So he was a high-level high school wrestler, which is not as impressive as a college wrestler, but when you see him wrestle, you know he's got some skills.
cameron hanes
Does he like to stand up, though?
joe rogan
He loves to stand up.
cameron hanes
He loves to trade him big.
Connor just wants to stand up, obviously.
brendan schaub
He's too smart.
He's been in there with some of the best, you know?
eddie bravo
Connor's not an easy takedown, though, even to high school champions.
brendan schaub
Chad Mendes begs to differ.
joe rogan
Times I mean as time goes on he's gonna be harder and harder to get that Chapman this fight though in Connors defense He had a pretty fucked up knee in that fight.
brendan schaub
He was getting he was getting stem cell injections in his knee But that's also the only wrestler we've ever seen Connor fight and shot taking down pretty effortlessly.
Yeah, that's true That's the only that's that's the only thing we can go off of you say I got a bad knee I get that It's a tough fight, man.
People who think Conor's gonna walk through the skies, they don't know the sport, man.
I saw the fight and went, ah, fuck.
joe rogan
It's true.
But, also, I could see Conor just murking him.
brendan schaub
That's how Conor's gonna win.
If Conor wins, he's gonna murk him.
joe rogan
Conor has some vicious fucking power in his hands.
cameron hanes
Has Eddie been knocked out?
joe rogan
Yes, he's been stopped.
Chandler stopped him, he rear naked choked him and beat him for the title.
eddie bravo
Has he been knocked out?
joe rogan
I don't think he's been knocked out.
brendan schaub
I do not think so.
joe rogan
He's been in some crazy wars.
brendan schaub
He's been in some crazy dogfights.
joe rogan
He's just as game as they come.
I think he's one of those guys that fights at his very best when he's scared.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
And I think that's going to be one of the best things about this fight, is that he thinks Conor's a dangerous motherfucker, just like he thought Rafael Dos Anjos.
He stopped Dos Anjos in the first round, and a lot of people, including me, were making the argument that Dos Anjos, if you look at the guys he's beaten, stopped Cowboy in the first round beat the shit out of Nate Diaz had us beat Pettis up stopped Ben Henderson Crushed him.
I mean you look at all the guys that he's beaten There's a real argument that he's one of the best lightweights of all time Yeah, and then Eddie went and stopped him in the first round Everyone thought he was gonna get murdered like you thought Eddie was just gonna get huge He doesn't have the the marquee name recognition type thing They don't know him yet.
brendan schaub
It's a dangerous fight for Conor, man, because he has such a big name.
But if Conor does win, can you imagine?
The 55 belt holder?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
cameron hanes
And the 40.
joe rogan
If he wins.
brendan schaub
Don't forget about Tony in there!
joe rogan
Well, no, we're not forgetting about him, for sure.
But I think the thing about Eddie Alvarez is that he has the title, and that's why it's sellable.
If it was just Conor McGregor vs. Eddie Alvarez, and he didn't have the title, you can't sell it.
Because it's in Madison Square Garden, though.
That title's so valuable.
This is where you realize how valuable that title is.
Because Tony is right in there, in my opinion, as is Barboza, as is a couple of guys.
unidentified
Khabib!
joe rogan
Khabib Nurmagomedov is, of course, everybody's first choice.
He's undefeated.
Nobody's been able to deal with that grappling.
And he's a nasty fucking striker, too.
He throws murderous shots.
brendan schaub
Give him a fight.
joe rogan
Well, he's fighting.
He's fighting Michael Johnson in that car.
That's a fucking great fight.
Johnson just coming off of the knockout of Poirier.
That's a great fight.
brendan schaub
That's a great fight.
Is that on the main card?
joe rogan
Yes, of course.
brendan schaub
Let's be real.
We always argue what's the best UFC fight card.
That's the best UFC fight card of all time.
unidentified
By far.
brendan schaub
Not even close.
joe rogan
It's like by far.
cameron hanes
If it holds up.
joe rogan
Yeah, if it holds up.
brendan schaub
Don't say that.
What's the lineup?
unidentified
Don't say that.
brendan schaub
Can I say it?
joe rogan
The lineup is fucking insane.
You have three world title fights.
You have Alvarez vs. Conor McGregor.
You have Tyron Woodley fighting Wonder Boy.
brendan schaub
That's a fun fight.
joe rogan
People forget that this is even happening because everybody's talking about other fights.
They forget this fight.
How about Ionion Jacek vs. Karolina Kovalkovic?
Come on, man.
Nobody's even talking about that.
unidentified
And then you have Chris Wyman vs. yo old motherfucking Romero.
joe rogan
Come on!
That's nuts.
brendan schaub
Then our boy Cowboy.
joe rogan
Cowboy vs. Kelvin.
brendan schaub
That's a good fight.
joe rogan
And look at this, Misha Tate vs. Raquel Pennington.
brendan schaub
That's a fuckin' badass fight.
Never mad when Misha fights.
unidentified
Never mad.
joe rogan
And Raquel Pennington is one of the best Bantamweights in the world.
Nobody talks about her.
Because she's won some fights in a crazy way, like the Ashley Evans-Smith fight.
She's had some great... Look, she took Holly Holm to a fuckin' split decision.
cameron hanes
God, those girls have lost a lot though.
8-6.
joe rogan
They have brawls, bro.
cameron hanes
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
These girls go after it.
Raquel Pennington, in my opinion, is super, super aggressive.
I like watching her fight, man.
cameron hanes
I think she got beat up in the last fight.
unidentified
She did.
God.
joe rogan
Manda Nunes.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
Manda Nunes, no joke.
unidentified
OH MY GOD, FRANKIE EDGER VERSUS CHARLIE STEVENS!
brendan schaub
I forgot about that.
joe rogan
I almost forgot about that.
That's insane.
brendan schaub
Nuts.
joe rogan
Nurmagomedov and Johnson.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
It's not even close.
There's not even a second place.
Rashad and Kennedy.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Two of my favorites.
eddie bravo
I love both of those guys.
Why did they decide to go gangbusters on this one?
joe rogan
Rafael Natal is fighting Tim Boesch.
brendan schaub
That's a fun fight.
Natal being, you know, he trains in New York with Henzo.
joe rogan
Jim Miller and Thiago Alves.
Thiago Alves is fighting 155.
This is his first fight at 155.
brendan schaub
I call that the throwback Thursday fight.
joe rogan
Have you seen what Alves looks like?
It's crazy.
brendan schaub
I have not.
joe rogan
He's way thinner.
He's lighter.
You know, you remember when Alves fought Matt Hughes when he didn't make weight?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was a gorilla.
brendan schaub
He's a baby gorilla.
joe rogan
He was so jacked.
It was insane.
brendan schaub
And then his hair said, see ya!
joe rogan
He had muscles that would start above his ears.
unidentified
For real.
joe rogan
And make their way.
unidentified
He looked like a pitbull.
brendan schaub
Well, excuse me sir, you're actually turning into a pitbull.
joe rogan
When he stopped mad, he was with that flying knee.
No, no, you don't fly like a pitbull.
eddie bravo
You look like one.
brendan schaub
He looks like one, yeah.
joe rogan
He was so big.
He was so powerful.
brendan schaub
Jacked.
One of the best bodies I've ever made.
eddie bravo
Dude, he was the most feared.
He was the Edson Barbosa of like 10 years ago.
joe rogan
Look at him right there.
Good fuckin' lord.
brendan schaub
He was bigger than Boboza, man.
He was a big fuckin' beast.
joe rogan
Do you remember he fought Martin Kamen, who was tooling Martin Kamen until he went for the takedown out of nowhere?
He was winning.
He had him hurt, he had him staggered, and someone told him to go for the takedown.
And he got caught in a gear scene.
brendan schaub
Someone should be fired.
eddie bravo
First time I've seen him fight, it was at a small show at a high school in Chicago.
Jason Chambers fought Tiago Alvarez.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right!
unidentified
That's right!
How'd that go for your boy?
eddie bravo
Oh, he's an American Top Team guy.
And man, he... From that fight, it was pretty... It was quite clear that he was gonna have a serious career.
brendan schaub
Was he bodied up then?
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Tiago's always bodied up, but not- Well, actually, when he fought Spencer Fisher- Spencer Fisher, people don't remember.
Spencer the King motherfuckin' Fisher.
Caught him with a triangle.
Spencer was a skillful, skillful fighter.
brendan schaub
Savage.
joe rogan
And he caught Tiago with a triangle, but I think Tiago was only like 20 years old at the time.
I think he was super, super young.
I think that was Tiago's first fight in the UFC, if I remember right.
brendan schaub
I thought Tiago was fighting at 19 or 20, right?
He was young.
joe rogan
Real young, real young.
So he looks real light now, real thin.
He did the Cam Haines thing.
How much did you lose when you had to do that Big Foot 200?
You lost like 20 pounds, right?
But you did it in the most gangster way because at 180 he was not fat.
So what he had to do was he had to make his body eat itself.
You have to burn off 3,000 calories and take in one.
Or take in two.
cameron hanes
I did four and three.
joe rogan
Four and three.
So there you go.
You burn that off that way.
brendan schaub
So how'd you do it?
joe rogan
Your body eats itself.
cameron hanes
Running.
brendan schaub
He's running non-stop, 20 miles a day.
Don't be surprised if OSB hits a twister.
eddie bravo
He's really good at it.
joe rogan
This is a crazy-ass fight, and Jimmy Manawa's a nasty striker.
brendan schaub
Oh, someone's getting knocked out, son.
joe rogan
Beautiful inside leg kick there.
brendan schaub
Someone's getting knocked out.
joe rogan
And Manawa's been in camp with Gustafsson, who he fought, actually.
Gustafsson stopped him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he murked.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Manna was really good.
He hasn't been fighting for that long.
It's really interesting.
He didn't start martial arts, I think, until he was like 28 years old.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he was in, I want to say, prison for a while in England.
joe rogan
How dare you just make that up?
You don't even know.
It's like Tower 7 all over again.
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
I'm almost positive he did some time.
cameron hanes
Gustafson needs to get on the social media thing, because he liked your picture today, so I'm like, hey, is this him?
And then I went to it, and it's like 600 followers.
joe rogan
It might not be him.
It might not be him, it might be a guy.
brendan schaub
Did you say 600 followers?
unidentified
600?
brendan schaub
Oh, that's fake.
He's a superstar in Sweden.
joe rogan
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
When he fought in Stockholm, when he fought Rumble, Rumble Johnson, there's a giant crowd there.
I mean, I want to say like 30,000 plus people.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he has billboards.
He's like the hockey players there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a stud.
So there's no way that was real.
Wow, that's a good fight.
But Jimmy Manawa has, like, really nasty, nasty power.
brendan schaub
Good stand-up.
joe rogan
Good mechanics.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I find it almost hard to believe he didn't start striking until he was 28 years old.
brendan schaub
Good athlete.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
OSP, he's a better athlete, and he's so hard to... he's, like, so unconventional.
That's why I give OSP the advantage.
Oh, he got nailed in the legs.
joe rogan
Yeah, that hurt.
We have to also remember that OSP suffered a broken arm in the John Jones fight, and you don't know how long it took for that to heal up, how it healed up.
Some guys will break an arm, like a bad example is like the Noguera fight, when Frank Mir broke Noguera's arm.
Noguera's arm was pretty fucked up for a long time after that.
brendan schaub
Also 80 years old in the fight world when he broke his fucking arm.
joe rogan
In the fight world?
brendan schaub
He was 80, he was a tortoise when he snapped his arm.
joe rogan
In fight years?
It was up here, right?
cameron hanes
It was a mess.
brendan schaub
He snapped his shit off like a child.
Oh god.
cameron hanes
That was ugly.
joe rogan
Manowar just caught him with a knee.
Yeah, he's um, Frank Mir is a fucking badass submission artist.
Look at this, OSP, holding on to the head.
This ain't good for Manowar.
cameron hanes
Looks like a knee could come up there.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that.
Nice.
Drops right down.
Oh, shit.
OSP was a beautiful wrestler.
eddie bravo
Gonna twist him, watch.
joe rogan
Beautiful wrestling.
brendan schaub
Mano is not exactly a grappler, yeah.
This is smart by OSP.
eddie bravo
Man, don't be shocked.
brendan schaub
If it gets into the truck, don't be shocked.
cameron hanes
If it gets into what?
eddie bravo
You'll see.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what, OSP, when he fought Jon Jones, he might have lost that fight, but he showed people that he's a real world class fighter.
And the fact that he was able to fight with a broken arm through a portion, I think, of the fourth and the whole fifth round.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I think he got a, you know, even though he lost the fight, he got a shitload of confidence from him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
So that helps.
John also was kind of, you know, it was a little weird night.
cameron hanes
Pretty tentative.
brendan schaub
He broke his arm.
John was super, you know, seeing it.
joe rogan
I think that, see, people are giving John a hard time.
I think John didn't feel that comfortable, but I think that OSP is really fucking good.
And I think that John had to be careful.
brendan schaub
I agree.
I think John had to be careful, and I think John played it a little safe, and I think OSP, as a southpaw, inexplosive, He dropped down for the guillotine!
Manowar!
joe rogan
Manowar looking for the guillotine!
Arm in!
He's just holding on right now.
Hey, he might get it.
He totally might get it.
You never know.
What's going on with the right arm?
What's going on with OSP's right arm?
He's definitely under the chin, right?
He's pushing down the wrist?
He's got some space there.
brendan schaub
Looks like he's trying to hand fight.
joe rogan
He's got some space in that left foot.
unidentified
Oh, he's out.
brendan schaub
He's out.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Immediate go to pass.
unidentified
Take it back.
eddie bravo
Put it in.
unidentified
Put it in.
joe rogan
Take it back.
eddie bravo
Man.
joe rogan
Scrambles.
Little tiny scrambles like that.
brendan schaub
He's so good at getting into the truck.
eddie bravo
I'm shocked he hasn't got that.
cameron hanes
He's even got a brand on his calf.
joe rogan
Opportunities.
He might have one.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's his fraternity in Tennessee.
joe rogan
See, Manowar, there was like some little space there.
There was some space to scramble.
brendan schaub
He rested instead of scrambling.
eddie bravo
He got 49 seconds!
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
He rested instead of scrambled.
eddie bravo
But Mano is in a perfect spot against the fence.
He's turning to his left, which is perfect.
If he turned to his right, he'd be in deep trouble.
brendan schaub
To your point, Joe, where he said he rested where he should have scrambled, that's where the world champions don't—they literally get the fuck out and change the game.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you look at, you know, like a guy like Mighty Mouse is a perfect example.
I know I always use him, but he ain't getting no room there.
brendan schaub
Huh?
There's no room there.
eddie bravo
And she's out.
Look, oh!
joe rogan
He's going to it.
He tried for it.
Oh, he lost it.
That would have been dope if he rolled there.
But he was up against the cage.
That's a weird place to roll, right?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's not a good place to set it up.
cameron hanes
Oh, man.
joe rogan
That's a nice elbow.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Wow.
joe rogan
Good fight.
cameron hanes
So how many people are going to be at the New York show?
joe rogan
I don't know how many people's Madison Square Garden seats.
brendan schaub
It'll sell out.
But tickets are crazy expensive.
Insanely expensive already.
joe rogan
Yeah, they went for it.
brendan schaub
I mean, it's Madison Square Garden, first time ever UFC.
Biggest card of all time.
joe rogan
Well, you have to think how many people have to get paid for that show, too.
There's a lot of world-class fighters on that show.
That is the goddamn pay-per-view bargain of a lifetime.
brendan schaub
That card?
joe rogan
That's the pay-per-view bargain of a lifetime.
cameron hanes
No kidding.
brendan schaub
And then think about the free fights on Fox.
Those prelims are nuts.
joe rogan
Dude.
Nurmagomedov vs. Michael Johnson is on Fox.
So is Frankie Edgar vs. Jeremy Stevens.
That's on FS1.
Holy shit.
cameron hanes
I'd like to see Stevens win that.
I like him.
joe rogan
I love Frankie too.
I love Jeremy too.
That's one for me is a problem.
They're both great guys.
I love Jeremy.
Jeremy's a fucking great guy.
He's an animal too.
I love watching that kid fight.
He's so game too.
He's another one.
And so is Frankie.
Frankie's just relentless.
brendan schaub
Yeah, best pace in the game.
joe rogan
I'm interested to see what adjustments Frankie makes from the Aldo fight too.
Yeah, he got beat up a little bit.
Yeah, Aldo flipped the script on him.
Turned it into a boxing match.
brendan schaub
Aldo flipped the script on the UFC.
He said, nah, I'm good.
unidentified
I'm good.
brendan schaub
I'm done.
joe rogan
Is he serious?
What is he saying?
He said he's going to play soccer?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
He wants to play some sports.
Oh, shit.
cameron hanes
Serious?
joe rogan
OSP with some serious kicks here, man.
Beautiful leg kicks.
OSP's attacking the inside.
brendan schaub
Oh!
joe rogan
Madden with the left hook!
Do you think Aldo's being serious or do you think he's just expressing, oh nice, walked right into that?
brendan schaub
I think he's being serious for now until he realizes what kind of monster he's dealing with because even though you don't like it, they're never going to let you out of your contract.
It doesn't work that way.
You sign the contract.
Unless you're legitimately going to go play another sport, you're done fighting if you're not going to write out your UFC contract.
It doesn't work like that.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think he's asking to fight again.
I think he's saying that he's gonna do something else.
I think that's essentially what he's saying.
What I read... Oh, look at that, spinning back for his attempt.
What I read is that he was gonna play soccer.
brendan schaub
That's him playing soccer?
joe rogan
He apparently, before he fought in the UFC... Look, dude, he's fucking good!
I mean, I don't know, like, how he is when he's fucking playing other good soccer players.
brendan schaub
This is a charity game.
If Ronaldo came in there, he'd fucking kick his dick off.
joe rogan
Or that guy Messi.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Messi.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
He's like 5'4".
joe rogan
Dude, he's amazing.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
He scores like four goals a game.
joe rogan
I see some highlights of that dude.
I'm like, he's incredible.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's in control of the ball.
Dude, these guys are going off.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good kicking in this fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
OSP with that long jab.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh, another one!
OSP's dropping that right arm.
cameron hanes
Yeah, I'll just cover this real quick.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's dropping that right arm.
brendan schaub
That'll fuck your cardio up.
joe rogan
Nice inside leg kick, too.
cameron hanes
He'll open up that left ear, too.
Oh, right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he changed positions for a while.
He went southpaw, which he does do sometimes, though.
brendan schaub
You know how we always talk about, like, he looks tired as shit, too.
You know how we talk about you need super camps to stay in age to compete?
OSP's a guy that doesn't train in a super camp.
Stipe's a guy that doesn't train in a super camp.
cameron hanes
What's a super camp?
brendan schaub
Like, ATT, AK, Jacksons, Blacks-Aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's interesting, right?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, Strongstyle, that Jim in Cleveland.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Manawa with the right-hand!
OSP's in deep shit!
Oh, this one's over, so we dropped him.
unidentified
Oh, KO!
joe rogan
Oh my god, straight KO.
cameron hanes
God, did you see his leg caught under there?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Left hook, son!
Oh my god, Jim and Manawa.
cameron hanes
And then the right.
brendan schaub
The fucking...
joe rogan
Jimmy Madden was dangerous.
brendan schaub
Powerful English left hook.
joe rogan
He purred him with those left hooks to the body, and then caught him upstairs.
brendan schaub
It's a huge win.
Biggest win in his career, for sure.
joe rogan
Giant win.
Huge.
Giant win, especially considering how good OSP looks against John Jones.
Won five rounds at Jones.
Jimmy stops him in the second round.
cameron hanes
God.
joe rogan
Giant.
brendan schaub
Who's the last guy to beat this guy?
joe rogan
Rumble knocked him out.
Rumble knocks him out bad.
And Rumble knocks everybody out.
Kaboom!
unidentified
Right there.
joe rogan
That's one.
That wobbled him.
Oh, Jesus.
That's a beautiful right hand.
Right here.
Look how patient he is.
cameron hanes
Right here.
joe rogan
Boom!
brendan schaub
Hey, ref, let's go.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Look at that body shot.
brendan schaub
Right hand high, too.
Amazing, man.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
He ducks the left hand.
Look at that beautiful right hand over the top.
But look at the setup, too.
Look at the setup.
The setup is nice.
You missed with that one, but look at this one.
Boom!
Perfect.
unidentified
Oh, God!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real bad the way... That reminds me of Mike Tyson and Larry Holmes.
Remember that knockout?
Bad.
Mike Tyson knocked out Larry Holmes, and Larry Holmes' leg got caught under him, and then sprang up and down.
brendan schaub
No one's worse than Cro Cop Gonzaga.
Like, we're like, oh shit, he broke his ankle.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he really did fuck his ankle up.
His ankle swoll up after the fight.
brendan schaub
It swoll up, and when you talk to him, he's like, no, my ankle feels like I'm good, man.
Like, he walked out.
But I thought his shit snapped off.
joe rogan
He was the first guy where I realized we shouldn't be interviewing fighters after they fight.
After they get knocked out.
I was like, you can't be doing this anymore.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
brendan schaub
You don't know where you are.
You don't know what happened.
It's not fair.
They put a mic in your face and you're like, uh... I'm assuming I got punch or kicked in the face.
joe rogan
It would be one thing if the fighter felt fine and was willing to talk about it and knew and wanted to do it themselves.
brendan schaub
But even then... Even then they shouldn't.
joe rogan
Even then it's probably not the best idea.
brendan schaub
No, because I've done that.
My manager's like, dude, you shouldn't do this interview.
And I did it.
Literally backstage, bad news.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Watch when Larry Holmes gets up.
Larry Holmes is in all sorts of trouble.
But watch the KO.
They give him the standing 8 count.
Larry's walking around.
He's already in deep doo-doo though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, Larry's a legitimate, you know, 36 or whatever he was at the time.
Watch this KO.
It's so nasty.
He gets him over in the right-hand corner.
brendan schaub
Super wobbly legs.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Look at that left hook right hand.
Here it comes right here.
cameron hanes
Doosh!
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Oh my god, you got hurt there.
That fucked him up.
Oh my god, I forgot how long this lasted.
cameron hanes
Tough to keep Tyson off you.
brendan schaub
He was brutal back then.
unidentified
Yeah, he was a straight animal back then.
joe rogan
He would switch stances.
cameron hanes
No defense at all.
joe rogan
Well, he just was aware that Larry was done.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
Larry still went for it.
eddie bravo
He still went for that uppercut.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's Larry Holmes, son.
eddie bravo
Yeah, this is it.
joe rogan
This is the right hand, right here.
Boom, right there.
See how his leg went under him and then bounced up?
brendan schaub
Like a cheerleader kick.
eddie bravo
You know what the most brutal knockout ever?
Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison.
joe rogan
Oh, you're right.
eddie bravo
Dude, he got caught on the ropes, so Ray Mercer kept uppercutting him.
brendan schaub
The ropes were holding his ass up.
eddie bravo
That leg's bad.
brendan schaub
Did you see that, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was bad.
cameron hanes
And he had AIDS.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
I don't think he had AIDS back then.
brendan schaub
Dude, he was bo- You wanna talk about one of the best wipe-away bodies of all time?
Tommy Morrison.
joe rogan
But what happened later in his career when he went crazy?
He got his tits done.
brendan schaub
Well, he got AIDS, son.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had breast implants.
eddie bravo
Oh, this fight's incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah, just show the KO.
So in the beginning, Tommy was doing well, but then Ray Mercer came on strong.
Here it is in the fifth round.
Look at this.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Oh my god.
cameron hanes
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Hey, Raph!
Hey, Raph!
eddie bravo
He hit him like three.
Look at this.
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
Oh.
unidentified
Boom.
cameron hanes
Oh!
That one.
eddie bravo
Let's go, Raph!
joe rogan
That's insane.
That is insane.
That's insane.
brendan schaub
You know who beat Ray Mercer?
Kimbo Slice.
I gotta take a pee.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he guillotined him.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
Yeah, Kimbo and Ray, they thought they were gonna throw down.
But Ray didn't have any grappling experience at all, and Kimbo was trained in an American top team.
Even though Kimbo's not a grappler, he was more of a grappler than Ray.
Ray probably thought it was just gonna be like a stand-up fight.
cameron hanes
This is gonna be big.
Look at this.
Times Square.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's gonna be insane.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
Look at this.
cameron hanes
Conor.
joe rogan
Conor.
He's such a gangster.
brendan schaub
Fired up.
cameron hanes
Yonah.
unidentified
Look at it.
joe rogan
She's got camo on.
cameron hanes
Oh.
This is pretty sweet.
joe rogan
Tyron Woodley.
Eddie Alvarez drinking a cup of coffee.
I don't get it.
They're all in the airport.
Everyone is at the airport.
Yeah.
Wonderboy motherfucker.
unidentified
Oh man.
cameron hanes
I can't even hear this and it looks cool.
joe rogan
Dude, there's Karolina Kubalick.
Tyron motherfucking Woodley, ladies and gentlemen.
cameron hanes
He looks like a badass right there, doesn't he?
joe rogan
He is a fucking badass.
cameron hanes
He's got some power.
joe rogan
Dude, that's putting it mildly.
Nobody knocks out Robby Law with one punch like that.
Tyron, he can cover some distance, too.
cameron hanes
Yeah, he put the lights out.
joe rogan
And he's a Duke Rufus protege.
Duke Rufus is one of the best striking coaches on the planet Earth.
World Muay Thai champion.
His brother Rick Rufus is another kickboxing legend.
Like that family, there's some deep, deep, deep knowledge.
And that's where Tyron's training.
That's where he's doing all his striking.
So Wonderboy is probably, I mean, it's a debate that he's the greatest striker in the UFC ever.
cameron hanes
Wonderboy?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a debate, because he was some insane number, like 57-0 in kickboxing.
He only lost one time in the UFC, that was to Matt Brown.
cameron hanes
He just looks like a normal guy, doesn't he?
unidentified
Totally!
cameron hanes
Like when they're showing him right there?
joe rogan
Yeah, and a very polite guy, too.
Really well spoken.
But his kickboxing is off the chain.
I mean, he's a world champion kickboxer of the likes.
There's very few guys who have fought in MMA.
You know, even Mirko.
Mirko was a K-1 striker and he was a bad motherfucker, but one of the reasons why he was so good in MMA was because he was explosive.
He was really fast, and he could hit really hard and quick.
But he wasn't like the most technically perfect kickboxer, like Ernesto Hoost.
But Ernesto Hust, he would pick you apart nice and slow.
He'd do it all with technique and just chop, chop away at you and eventually knock you out with some beautiful high kick or a perfectly placed punch or something like that.
But Mirko would murk guys with like one kick.
And those type of guys are like, at a high level, like Mirko was, they're more dangerous in MMA because everything happens so fast.
cameron hanes
So you're saying Wonderboy is like that?
joe rogan
I think Wonderboy is super skillful.
He's skillful in a way, like when you see him fight Hendrix, you realize like, oh my god, this is so next level.
And he does stuff that everybody can't do, like he fights off the front leg.
His front leg, you gotta get past that front leg.
And that's not an easy thing to do, he's front leg side kicking, round kicking you in the face.
He can do some shit that other guys can't do.
So you have a real hard time bringing in someone in training that has a front leg like that guy.
You only have, like, a few guys to choose from.
You have to take, like, Raymond Daniels.
You have to take someone who has... Don the Dragon Wilson.
Ha!
Don could have done it.
eddie bravo
Right?
joe rogan
I mean, if he could still spar.
eddie bravo
His whole style was like that.
He was just on one leg, just, like, flipping it up.
joe rogan
You know what?
Don the Dragon Wilson might still be able to spar.
Is that the best name of all time?
He's one of those dudes that keeps training deep into his, like, 60s and 70s.
If you light spar with him, as long as you try to beat him up, he's a skillful motherfucker, too.
eddie bravo
Is Ronda Rousey really fighting Amanda Nunes?
Is that real or was that a hoax?
joe rogan
I think that's what she wants to do, but I don't think it's been set up.
brendan schaub
I thought she wants to fight Cyborg, and Cyborg said she's going to need face surgery if she fights her.
joe rogan
Do you know what Cyborg said?
She said, I'm like Candyman, just say my name and I'll come.
brendan schaub
She scares me.
eddie bravo
How big is that fight going to be?
unidentified
Cyborg was calling her out today.
brendan schaub
She wants to fight her so bad, and then she said maybe if I was blue eyes, blonde hair, you'd make a division for me and give me the goddamn fight.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Cyborg!
brendan schaub
Such a monster!
joe rogan
And you know what, man?
Here's the deal.
There's a lot of other women out there that fight at 145.
This idea that there's no women at 145, that's just not true.
brendan schaub
No, there's women at 145.
They just don't want to fight Cyborg.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to fight her.
But some do.
Like, you know... For money.
Lena Lansburg, who just fought her.
She took the chance.
She fought her.
She's not a true 145-er.
brendan schaub
You're right.
joe rogan
She's not.
brendan schaub
She didn't land one punch.
cameron hanes
She had to know she had no chance.
joe rogan
She took it for the... She's a world Muay Thai champion.
She didn't take it for the payday.
She didn't make anything?
brendan schaub
Not really.
joe rogan
Well, she made something she got into the UFC and you know now she's in the mix and she can have a career in the UFC at 135 She did not take a chance, but if she won, it's a giant chance.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if you win, you're a fucking superhero There's no one right now that would give Her an issue in the UFC.
Yeah, I Unless Holly, with her fighting style, would fight her at 130.
joe rogan
Or, here's another example, Jorina Barge.
If Jorina Barge has been training MMA, and she decides to come over to MMA, you want to talk about a nasty kickboxer.
I mean, she's got some insane record.
I think she's like 30-0.
No one wanted to fight her for years.
cameron hanes
Didn't she beat Cyborg?
joe rogan
She beat the shit out of her.
She's gangster.
brendan schaub
She's tall.
She won by decision, but then remember... She knocked her down, twice.
joe rogan
She knocked her down, dropped her.
She talking about doing MMA?
If she did, I'm saying that's the kind of fighter you need to challenge Cyborg.
brendan schaub
But Cyborg takes her down on some hits.
She's a lock belt.
cameron hanes
She couldn't keep her off her.
joe rogan
You're right, she might.
brendan schaub
That's the other thing people forget about Cyborg.
She's a black belt on the ground.
Legit black belt.
So if you're worried about that, you know what I'm saying?
Now you can go to the ground with her.
joe rogan
Totally true.
If she can take her down.
But in MMA you also have to realize that Barge is fighting with smaller gloves.
She can land shots that are likely going to have more impact with the smaller gloves.
She can also break her hand easier.
brendan schaub
She can also get taken down.
joe rogan
She's a badass, dude.
brendan schaub
She can't fight the same way.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is it.
cameron hanes
On AXS TV, yeah.
joe rogan
This is not fighting TV barge is no fucking joke look at that knee.
I got step in knee dude She is no joke where this is a front kick to the face and shows cyborg swarms her you know Cyborg still gives her all she can handle.
brendan schaub
Yeah, she didn't make it easy and also remember cyborg look at that I see why see this like oh Jesus Christ cyborg has a chin, too Oh, dude.
She's so game.
She takes some crazy shots.
joe rogan
She's so game.
Jamie, see if you can see the front kick to the face that she landed.
She landed a teep kick to the face early in the fight and dropped her.
brendan schaub
How gangster is Cyborg?
I don't know what you do with her.
She's so gangster.
I don't know who the fuck's gonna step up and fight her.
joe rogan
Here's the thing, nobody wanted to fight Barsh.
She's not even a kickboxer, she's an MMA fighter.
And she chose to fight her in her sport.
That's how game she is.
But she still made the decision.
cameron hanes
How big would that fight be, her and Ronda?
Cyborg and Ronda?
unidentified
Crazy.
brendan schaub
It would be the biggest fight ever, right?
joe rogan
Crazy.
cameron hanes
They could make that happen.
I heard, I read, that Ronda's training hard.
Is that true?
joe rogan
That's what I heard too.
I don't know.
I mean, the only way to know is to talk to someone who's training with her and then you have to trust them.
Or you have to go watch her train.
cameron hanes
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
I don't know.
cameron hanes
God, I'd love to see her come back at the top of her game.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cameron hanes
You know?
joe rogan
She's such a draw.
Amanda Nunez is fucking terrifying.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's got ridiculous power in her hands.
She punches with snapping, crisp punches that you could see.
Misha Tate was like, oh shit.
cameron hanes
Oh, I know.
She landed one and Misha was like, It's not good.
joe rogan
Look at that knee.
Boom!
Look at that beautiful step-in knee.
Look at that, man.
Damn, she's nasty.
Barsh is no joke, dude.
brendan schaub
It was a scrap!
joe rogan
And Cyborg landed a right hand.
brendan schaub
Yeah, dude.
It was a scrap.
unidentified
I know.
See that?
cameron hanes
So imagine that punch with small gloves.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
Look at that Superman punch Cyborg landed.
Cyborg's so gangster, dude.
She's so gangster.
brendan schaub
She's so goddamn tough.
I just don't see anyone beating her.
joe rogan
Damn, what a crazy fight that was.
cameron hanes
I think if she's landing those with four-ounce gloves... Who knows?
joe rogan
Who knows?
But if Barge lands with four-ounce gloves, it's the same thing.
She's hurting her there with shots, too.
cameron hanes
But it was the knees that was hurting her, it seemed like, mostly.
joe rogan
It was everything.
She hit her with a lot of hard jabs, too.
cameron hanes
Alright, let's see.
joe rogan
Dude, Vitor looks pretty good right there.
They re-inflated him.
brendan schaub
He doesn't look that bad right there.
The best he's looked since the- He's got extra around there.
Since the golden snitch came in your boy Novitsky.
joe rogan
The golden snitch!
cameron hanes
There's no traps like the old Vitor.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
But, you know what, the old Vitor fought in a bunch of different weight classes.
The old Vitor from TRT days was a 185er though, so you got a point.
brendan schaub
Probably the most dangerous guy in the world when he was on TRT.
Someone spinning fucking heel kicks to your eye.
cameron hanes
No, but dude, with the traps and the long mohawk.
joe rogan
Oh, he was terrifying.
When he wheel-kicked Luke Rockhold in the face?
Yeah, that one.
Dude, he's no joke, man.
brendan schaub
The scary thing is he has the skills to back all that up.
joe rogan
Dude, he's lightning fast.
cameron hanes
Lightning fast.
Is he like 38 now?
joe rogan
He's definitely not in his prime.
eddie bravo
He was the first Brazilian to come out with legit boxing.
Finally, a Brazilian with boxing.
Shit.
He came out and... Yeah, look at him there.
joe rogan
Look at there.
Wow.
That's crazy.
That's a crazy difference.
But here's the thing that Chris Weidman said.
cameron hanes
And that's the same weight, right?
joe rogan
Yep.
Chris Weidman had a good point, though.
He said that it might actually help him because he wouldn't gas as much.
cameron hanes
Come on, Chris.
joe rogan
Because he was doing so much steroids before there was any gas.
unidentified
Excuse me, sir.
brendan schaub
I know you beat him, but come on, Chris.
joe rogan
That's what he said.
unidentified
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
No, I'm just saying.
I'm talking to Chris.
I'm not talking to you.
unidentified
That's what he said, bro.
brendan schaub
That's what he said, man.
joe rogan
This guy's good.
Gegard Mousasi, he always looks like he doesn't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
No, he looks like he's bothered you're there to watch him fight.
Like, he's upset.
Like, if someone was like, hey, you know Gegard Mousasi is serial killer?
I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
Like, he doesn't give a fuck about anything.
joe rogan
I think he seems like a real nice guy.
brendan schaub
He's been fighting forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's legit.
Remember when he knocked out Jacque Ray with an upkick?
cameron hanes
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And then, didn't Jacque Ray fall into his triangle too?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's the man in dream.
joe rogan
Just nasty KO.
I don't think he fell in this triangle, did he?
He did that to somebody else.
brendan schaub
Who did he triangle?
I thought he knocked him out and Jacquet fell into it, or maybe he just knocked him out.
joe rogan
I think he just KO'd him and got off of him, but I think he did that to somebody else.
Yeah, I think he did that to somebody else.
I'm mixing the two, yeah.
cameron hanes
Just for old times sake, wouldn't you like to see Vitor win?
joe rogan
You, Cam Haines, you're one of those guys who wants to see a guy win.
unidentified
You're like a rooter.
joe rogan
We don't, with this very rare rooting here, like, of course, Eddie Bravo will be rooting for Tony Ferguson when Tony Ferguson fights Dilsadjo, because it's his boy.
But, for the most part, when we watch these fights, like, people, like, I know, I know Vitor, for sure, I've known him for a long time, and I've known Gegard, I like both these guys.
So, I watch this fight, I just go like, hmm, but you're like, I wanna see this guy win.
cameron hanes
I like it!
unidentified
I like it, sir!
cameron hanes
I'm a fan.
joe rogan
Oh, me too, man.
cameron hanes
I'm a fan.
joe rogan
Yo, Brendan, can I get one of those?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
brendan schaub
Oh, can I get one?
Shit.
joe rogan
Corona, ladies and gentlemen.
This is a... Can you pass that?
brendan schaub
We'll have one, too.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Oh, let's have a couple Coronas, ladies and gentlemen.
brendan schaub
I feel like Cam wants to dip into this whiskey.
You seem like a whiskey man.
joe rogan
You looking at that whiskey?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's been eyeing it up.
joe rogan
You want some of that whiskey, Cam?
We could all have a little gentleman's glass of whiskey.
We got some ice there.
Here we go.
cameron hanes
We should celebrate your bowl.
joe rogan
Yes, we should celebrate.
Look at Vitor moving.
Gagar with a nice leg kick.
cameron hanes
Gagar gonna be unbiased now.
brendan schaub
Nah, he can't.
There's no going back.
joe rogan
Here's the thing with Gegard.
Gegard's gotta be real careful of the blitz.
brendan schaub
Especially early on.
joe rogan
He can't disrespect that blitz.
brendan schaub
I feel like he's too smart for that.
I hope he is.
Otherwise you're gonna get murked.
joe rogan
I think so too, but there might be an attitude that some fighters have that Vitor without the TRT is very vulnerable.
brendan schaub
Not in those first two minutes.
unidentified
No, not at all.
Oh, see?
Oh!
brendan schaub
He's coming, Saad!
joe rogan
He is!
And Geghardt!
He said no, no, no, bitch!
cameron hanes
He gave him the Mutombo finger well.
joe rogan
He gave him the no, no, no.
brendan schaub
Mason Mutombo reference, sir!
I'm from Denver!
joe rogan
And Geghardt advances.
You know what that means to me?
That means to me that that little finger might have had an effect.
brendan schaub
I agree.
Usually when guys do something emotional like that, it kind of fucked them up.
joe rogan
Left kick to the body by Vitor.
brendan schaub
Powerful short shorts by Vitor.
joe rogan
Vitor's swingin'.
Vitor's swingin'.
Well, that's to be able to kick.
You know, that's the worst thing about some Muay Thai... Oh, one-two!
cameron hanes
Both landed.
joe rogan
The worst thing about the regular Muay Thai shorts, you ever see those Thai guys are always rolling them up?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, sometimes those fuckers bind your legs, man.
brendan schaub
John Dotson wears capris.
His are so big.
Have you seen his?
They're so baggy.
joe rogan
I think the move is the tights.
I agree.
I think everybody should be forced to wear the tights because you don't grab them.
brendan schaub
Like, why not do the sunga, like the old school... What's a sunga?
It's kind of like the Speedo style.
Brazilian Speedo.
Speedos.
joe rogan
Damn.
eddie bravo
Like, why not?
brendan schaub
Dude, hold up.
What do you mean, wow?
Because dicks are going to come out.
Well, come on.
unidentified
Dicks are going to start flubbing.
joe rogan
It's just a part of the fun.
brendan schaub
So I'm crazy with sungas, but you want to see them on a fucking grass football field.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Beautiful takedown defense by Vitor.
Gegard tried to close in for the takedown.
Vitor's like, bitch, I've been fighting for 20 years.
brendan schaub
Yeah, come on, bitch.
unidentified
I got it.
joe rogan
Check this out.
brendan schaub
I have my master's degree in anime.
joe rogan
Take this knee to the body on the way out, son.
One-two.
That's one-two from me.
brendan schaub
His speed hasn't left him.
That's usually the last thing to go.
I mean, the first thing to go.
joe rogan
You know what else hasn't left him?
His work ethic.
Vitor is a notoriously hard worker in the gym.
Everybody that worked with him.
brendan schaub
I did a training camp with him.
joe rogan
Wrestling coaches.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
Tell me.
brendan schaub
Insane.
joe rogan
Talk to me.
brendan schaub
He just, you know, he's the first guy that I really knew who did like a super camp where it's just about him.
Like he brought in specific training partners.
He brought in GSP, Nate McCart, myself, when he's fighting Anthony Johnson.
He brought in just this core group of guys just for him.
And then he'd have his jiu-jitsu coach there, wrestling coach, striking coach, all times.
joe rogan
And that was a good fight.
cameron hanes
Did you just spar with him?
brendan schaub
Spar, grappling, Anthony Johnson, when he choked out Anthony Johnson at 170.
joe rogan
No, it was 185.
And Anthony Johnson didn't make weight.
That was in Brazil.
And Johnson put the storm on him in the first round, that rumble storm.
And he survived the storm, and it was a big fight for Vitor because he overcame adversity.
He was in trouble.
cameron hanes
After that storm, rumble's done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cameron hanes
Isn't he?
joe rogan
He gets gassed.
Back then he was, because he was losing way too much weight.
The rumble of today is different.
If you watch the rumble of today when he fought Phil Davis, he went three hard rounds and beat Phil Davis up.
That's a good point.
Yeah, it's a different rumble.
It's a different rumble for sure.
When he's at 205, but if you want to make that argument, Daniel Cormier was able to weather the storm and he grounded him out and then choked him out.
cameron hanes
That's the fight I was thinking of.
joe rogan
He sucked him dry, but you have to also realize... Sucked him dry?
brendan schaub
Excuse me, sir?
joe rogan
I'm not in that way.
I mean like his energy.
How dare you?
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ, that's a tough one.
joe rogan
Well, he drained him.
cameron hanes
That's a hard one to ignore.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
Sucked him dry.
See, I'm not thinking that way.
brendan schaub
I wasn't either!
joe rogan
I wasn't either.
I was thinking in terms of like almost like a spider.
brendan schaub
Yeah, DC has sucked you dry.
joe rogan
D.C.
is such a grinder.
You know, like he wears that shirt, the King of the Grind.
brendan schaub
Embrace the Grind.
joe rogan
Yeah, Embrace the Grind.
No, he has a King of the Grind shirt.
brendan schaub
No, Embrace the Grind.
joe rogan
No, Embrace the Grind, everybody says.
brendan schaub
No, that's D.C.' 's thing.
joe rogan
But doesn't he have a shirt that says King of the Grind?
brendan schaub
Is it?
joe rogan
Why do I think he had that on his shirt?
brendan schaub
I thought it was Embrace the Grind.
joe rogan
Definitely, that's a wrestling statement, but I believe... OH!
Mousasi heard him!
cameron hanes
Yeah.
They'll want to again.
joe rogan
I think he had the King of the Grind too.
I might be mistaken.
brendan schaub
No, you might be right.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, King of the Grind.
There it is.
Thank you.
I thought I was mistaken.
Apologize, Brendan.
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
Alright, I wasn't sure I was right.
brendan schaub
He wears both.
He wears Embrace the Grind from Cagefighter and then he wears King of the Grind.
joe rogan
Oh, Knee to the Body by Musashi!
But my point was that DC was able to... Both of them.
cameron hanes
Front and back.
You got them both right.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, both right.
My point was that DC was able to drain Johnson.
He eventually got him to the point where you could tell Rumble was breaking and he was going to crack.
brendan schaub
He broke his will.
joe rogan
He broke his will.
cameron hanes
Yeah, he did.
He gave him his neck, didn't he?
brendan schaub
Vitor did, too.
joe rogan
But the thing is, he was training for Jon Jones, who was most likely going to strike with him, and instead he got Daniel Cormier, one of the best wrestlers to ever fucking do it in MMA.
brendan schaub
If not the best in MMA, when you think about it.
joe rogan
World-class wrestler.
brendan schaub
Just go through his resume.
joe rogan
You gotta watch him when he fights Josh Barnett to appreciate how fuckin' good his wrestling is.
brendan schaub
Josh did break his hand in that fight, though, early on.
joe rogan
So did Daniel.
Daniel broke his hand, too.
brendan schaub
And he did mollywop him around.
joe rogan
Daniel scoops him up in the air and throws him to the ground.
And this is a heavyweight.
Barnett, who is the youngest UFC heavyweight champion ever, and Daniel Cormier hoists him up in the air.
brendan schaub
All 260, white balls.
joe rogan
Boom!
And just fuckin' throws him on the ground when he realized, like, Jesus.
brendan schaub
He fuckin' pounced Dan Henderson off the mat.
joe rogan
Watch this shit.
And he does it off this power single.
Look at this.
Watch how he hoists him up here.
Look at this!
Come on, son!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Daniel Cormier.
And remember what he did to Dan Henderson?
brendan schaub
He did the exact same move to Dan Henderson, but literally, like, bounced him.
Like, look at this.
cameron hanes
He looked like a little kid.
joe rogan
Dude, that is some serious, world-class throwing ability.
In the Henderson fight, he did that about ten times.
That's how goddamn tough Dan Henderson is.
cameron hanes
He's just throwing him around like a ragdoll.
joe rogan
There's just a clear difference in size and horsepower and wrestling ability.
He beat Henderson?
Beat the shit out of him.
brendan schaub
Beat the brakes off him.
joe rogan
For three rounds.
And also, guys at that level... I think he choked him out, right?
Didn't he choke Dan asleep?
Yep.
brendan schaub
And guys at that level, that wrestling level, there's really no catching up when they're that good.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
So good.
The only two guys I've ever wrestled where I was like, oh, there's just no... there's nothing I can do is DC.
I was like, alright, what the hell am I going to do here?
And King Mo.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
brendan schaub
And they're boys.
And I was like, you know what?
joe rogan
King Mo is one of those guys where you, when you saw him in the early parts of his career, you thought this guy has all the potential to be like an all-time great.
Like a serious world championship caliber wrestler.
brendan schaub
He's had a really good career.
joe rogan
Yeah, he has had a really good career, but I feel like if he was in the UFC early on, more people would know how good he is.
brendan schaub
With him, A, he's probably the nicest guy in the world.
B, he might be the best fighter coach I've ever met in my life, too.
Wrestling, the way he would break it down, in a split decision.
And that was to fight for the world title against the champ Liam, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the crazy one was when he fought, uh, what was his name?
Emanuel... Newton?
Emanuel Newton.
The spinning backfist.
I know, man.
brendan schaub
Screwed him.
joe rogan
Wow, it was crazy.
cameron hanes
He stuffed that takedown again.
Vitor.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
A little blood coming out of the forehead of Vitor.
That's nothing, though.
brendan schaub
But King Moe was murking, guys, because remember, he'd go over to Dream, do that, and then bounce back here, and then he was like in... He's had a weird career path.
joe rogan
Remember when he knocked out Seth Petruzelli?
brendan schaub
Dude.
joe rogan
Just nasty.
Beautiful jab by Musassi.
See now, Vitor, that blitz is not as effective.
You're in the second round, and this is what Musassi predicted that he was going to stop him in the second.
Oh, I kick him!
Oh, shit!
unidentified
Musassi turn it up!
Uppercuts!
joe rogan
Oh, Vitor's covering up!
brendan schaub
It's over, son.
joe rogan
Oh, Musassi looks insane!
brendan schaub
Look at the technique here!
eddie bravo
It's like he's on a lift or something.
joe rogan
Vitor survived that, that's insane.
eddie bravo
Show me another flurry that went down like that.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful throw!
This fight is in grave jeopardy being stopped.
Grave jeopardy is what I just said, you heard me.
brendan schaub
That's impressive, man.
eddie bravo
Look at this ferocity!
joe rogan
God damn, Musashi's pouring on.
eddie bravo
He hasn't slowed down one bit.
His cardio is insane.
cameron hanes
Hey, I'm impressed with Vitor for weathering that.
eddie bravo
Look at those elbows that he's throwing!
He's holding the back of his neck and throwing the inside of his mouth!
It's not good.
cameron hanes
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Not good.
eddie bravo
He's fucked.
joe rogan
He's smashing Vitor.
Oh, we got the choke.
It's going to choke him.
cameron hanes
Yeah, it's over.
eddie bravo
Wow.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Vitor surviving.
unidentified
Incredible!
joe rogan
No, sir!
Incredible!
unidentified
He's hanging in there!
joe rogan
Incredible!
brendan schaub
UFC legend!
unidentified
It ain't that easy!
eddie bravo
He's gotta put him in full- Ooh, he went three-quarter mount!
joe rogan
Oh, full mount!
He had him in half guard, he went three-quarter mount!
Vitor's getting smushed!
brendan schaub
2.30 left, this is tough!
cameron hanes
God, that's a long time left!
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's an eternity for him.
cameron hanes
Oh, with those landing?
brendan schaub
You gotta stop the fight, man.
You gotta stop the fight.
joe rogan
That's it, that's it!
Wow, Musashi looked fantastic!
brendan schaub
Best jab at 185, too, I think.
joe rogan
Dude.
cameron hanes
Wow.
joe rogan
That was some brutal striking on his part.
You know what, man?
He predicted it.
He said he was going to stop in the second round.
He said, I'm going to weather a storm in the first round, then I'm going to stop in the second round.
brendan schaub
Makes sense.
cameron hanes
Doesn't Vidor have to be close?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's 39.
Should be over.
brendan schaub
Close to signing with Bellator and getting back on TRT!
joe rogan
That's the move, right?
cameron hanes
That's what I was talking about.
brendan schaub
That's what I assumed you were going for.
joe rogan
Look at this.
High kick started off.
Wow, he rattled him with that high kick, man.
That right hand.
Dude, Vitor's in trouble.
And look at this, Mousasi coming on like an Armenian demon.
brendan schaub
Boom!
joe rogan
High kick.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
That right hand.
Holy shit, look at this combination!
cameron hanes
I know.
joe rogan
Uppercuts.
Oh my god, Vitor is just barely hanging in there.
How did he weather that?
cameron hanes
That reminded me of that Ioana combination.
Remember that?
Whoever, she was lighting up.
brendan schaub
Penae?
joe rogan
Yeah, Jessica Penae.
Goddamn, real good stoppage.
Real good stoppage.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
He gave him all the chances in the world to recover, but he weathered it for a bit.
brendan schaub
You give legends like that, you give them a little bit of leniency, right?
joe rogan
Goddamn, Gheghar Mousasi's good.
That was, like, his best performance.
His best performance in the UFC.
By far in the UFC.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
That's a big win.
cameron hanes
When is he, when is Vitor, when was his last win?
joe rogan
Uh, Dan Henderson.
Stopped Dan Henderson in the first round.
brendan schaub
A little bit ago.
unidentified
A while ago.
joe rogan
I think it was two years ago.
brendan schaub
Then the gold snitch said, you wanna do what?
joe rogan
Well, that was the last TRT fight, I think.
That was his last TRT fight.
brendan schaub
Correct, sir.
joe rogan
No, I think it was post-TRT stopped him in the first round again.
He stopped him one time when he was scary Vitor.
They fought a few times, and Henderson beat him.
Henderson beat him by decision in pride, then scary TRT Vitor stopped Henderson in the first round, and then non-TRT Vitor stopped Henderson again in the first round, too.
brendan schaub
Non-TRT?
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure.
Am I right?
brendan schaub
Is he right on that?
Dude, I don't know shit.
Head kick.
What's the date on that?
joe rogan
Yeah, Luke Rockhold is for sure TRT.
Dan Henderson was for sure TRT.
Then the loss to Chris Weidman, and then Dan Henderson again.
brendan schaub
So the loss to Chris Weidman... Oh, you're right, sir.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was deflated.
brendan schaub
Hey, where was that fight, though?
Which one?
The UFC Fight Night 77?
joe rogan
Brazil.
brendan schaub
Was it Brazil?
joe rogan
It might have been Brazil.
brendan schaub
Where's it say?
Do I have skeptical hippo eyes?
joe rogan
Sure as fuck do!
South Paulo!
Skeptical hippo does not think that Vitor was off.
cameron hanes
Yeah, he won not even a year ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I guess that was a year ago.
eddie bravo
Isn't it weird that in boxing those records are shit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Oh, you don't have a career.
joe rogan
It's crazy, right?
eddie bravo
You gotta be undefeated.
cameron hanes
You can't lose.
joe rogan
Or you could have like one or two losses like Canelo has one loss.
brendan schaub
Depends who it is.
You know, I don't watch boxing that much, but up in Big Bear, one of the guys, one of the trainers turned me on.
eddie bravo
There's this Russian guy.
Is he Triple G?
unidentified
Yes, Triple G. I saw a highlight reel of his.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
I saw a highlight reel of his holy shit Gernady Golovkin Golovkin.
eddie bravo
That guy's legit, right?
The best in the world.
joe rogan
Well, there's like three of the world's best fighters, if you have the top ten world's best fighters, three of them right now, in terms of boxing, are Russians.
Vassily Lomachenko?
I mean, that guy's insane.
brendan schaub
He's probably my favorite to watch.
joe rogan
One of the best boxers, as far as pure boxing technique, like an all-time great.
brendan schaub
He only has seven fights.
unidentified
The top three guys are not American.
joe rogan
No, not the top three.
Sergey Kovalev is fighting Andre Ward and both of those guys are like top in the world.
This is Gennady Golovkin.
Right here, Eddie, this is a highlight reel of Golovkin.
eddie bravo
This is the one I saw.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
He's so good.
He just fucks guys up.
unidentified
He has to Can he fight Floyd Mayweather?
joe rogan
Floyd Mayweather is not going to want to have nothing to do with this motherfucker.
Are you sure?
brendan schaub
He's too big.
eddie bravo
He's also too big.
joe rogan
This guy's too big.
He's a 160.
cameron hanes
Floyd would never take that fight.
eddie bravo
People talking about it?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Floyd doesn't want nothing to do with this.
brendan schaub
The super fight's Canelo, Eddie.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about Gennady Golovkin.
eddie bravo
Canelo fought Mayweather, so you would think that... He's so big.
brendan schaub
He did that for the money.
He was young.
He kind of knew he was going to lose.
But the real fight is right now, because Canelo's never been better.
And then, because they can fight, man.
It'd be so fucking sick.
joe rogan
Canelo's... He's a big 154, too.
Okay, I'm into it.
But the thing about Gennady Golovkin, they had a pay-per-view fight with him recently, and it did not do well.
The problem is most people don't know who he is, whereas Canelo Alvarez is a fucking superstar.
brendan schaub
He's the biggest draw in boxing.
joe rogan
Canelo's a giant superstar.
brendan schaub
He's been knocking everyone out.
Torching people.
Yeah, he's never looked better.
joe rogan
He's never lost.
He's had some good fights.
The guy that he fought, the last one, that they stopped the fight.
brendan schaub
Oh, he murked him.
joe rogan
His corner stopped the fight early.
unidentified
Oh no, that's Triple G. That's what I'm talking about.
brendan schaub
I was talking about Canelo.
joe rogan
He's never looked better.
Triple G when he fought...
What is his name?
brendan schaub
Canelo fought Liam Smith, and Triple G fought, um... Oh, goddammit!
The English guy, and it was in England, he was cornered through in the tower.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was cornered through in the tower, and he was getting beat up by Golovkin.
brendan schaub
Goddamn CTE, I can't remember.
joe rogan
I can't remember it either, I don't think it's CTE.
eddie bravo
Yes, Kell Brook!
So is Mayweather done?
joe rogan
No, not necessarily.
He might be hanging around waiting for if Manny wants to fight one more time.
If Manny wants to fight one more time, too, I think it'll be gigantic because Manny's still fighting.
He's fighting again soon.
brendan schaub
You can keep that fight.
joe rogan
Here's Gennady Golovkin.
He stops Kell Brook.
brendan schaub
This is the first time I thought Triple G looked human.
joe rogan
Well, Brooke is really good, man.
brendan schaub
Undefeated world champion, yeah.
But he came up two weight classes.
joe rogan
Gennady Golovkin, TKO.
Oh, this is just a shitty HBO thing.
I mean, he's just so good, man.
brendan schaub
But your boy Kovalev and Ward fight in November.
That's the fucking fight.
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
brendan schaub
Dude, boxing has never been better.
I'm so crunk on boxing.
And then Tyson Fury went crazy.
joe rogan
I love it when you say, I'm so crunk on something.
brendan schaub
I get very excited.
I'm so crunk, man.
I never get to use that word either.
joe rogan
It's a great word!
unidentified
Crunked.
brendan schaub
Tyson Fury's gone nuts.
Yeah, he has a mental issue.
He just can't deal with it.
So now they're talking about Klitschko vs. Anthony Joshua.
If you've ever seen Anthony Joshua, he's like the golden boy in England.
joe rogan
So is Tyson Fury going to step away from the title?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's retired.
eddie bravo
White guy from New York?
brendan schaub
No, black guy.
Bodied up for days.
joe rogan
But Tyson Fury is a traveler.
Tyson Fury's a traveler.
Gypsy.
Yeah, but I think they call themselves travelers, but he's a white guy.
eddie bravo
He's a white guy.
joe rogan
He beat another white guy.
You need to beat another white guy.
eddie bravo
So right now in the heavyweight division, there's a couple of legit white guys.
joe rogan
The most scary guy is a black guy.
brendan schaub
Two of them.
Anthony Joshua is the scariest guy.
eddie bravo
Deontay Wilder.
joe rogan
Oh, and don't forget Shannon motherfucking Briggs.
People are still sleeping on Shannon Briggs.
Nobody wants to fight that guy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, is that a sign?
brendan schaub
He's older, so like these young cats with that guy were good.
joe rogan
He's 43 years old, but he's still knocking motherfuckers out.
brendan schaub
How dare you throw him into the mix like this?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I love him too!
Let me say something, man.
unidentified
I follow him.
joe rogan
David Haye doesn't want to fight him.
That's Anthony Joshua!
He's a bad motherfucker.
But David Haye has been running away from a fight with... with...
brendan schaub
Shannon Briggs.
joe rogan
Shannon Briggs.
unidentified
How old is he?
He's 43.
eddie bravo
Can I see Anthony Joshua?
joe rogan
He was having an issue with getting a fight.
brendan schaub
I'm sure.
joe rogan
He's a dangerous guy.
brendan schaub
Super dangerous.
Amazing guy.
Personality.
joe rogan
Very skillful.
brendan schaub
Come on champ!
joe rogan
Talks a lot of shit.
That's him right there.
Shannon Briggs.
cameron hanes
That's Shannon Briggs.
joe rogan
Dude.
Let's go champ!
He's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Powerful Greybeard.
joe rogan
He is one of the best guys to follow on Instagram.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
He's hilarious.
unidentified
I follow him.
joe rogan
He does, on Instagram, he'll do these videos where he just, everything he says, he says, let's go champ.
He's always saying, let's go champ, let's go champ.
He calls everybody champ.
brendan schaub
There's no variety.
joe rogan
Everybody's a champ.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's no variety.
joe rogan
That's it.
He'll be working out, he's dancing, champ!
He starts singing, CHAMP!
brendan schaub
Dude, he wanted to fight with Klitschko, and so he went on a boat while Klitschko was paddleboarding, and just started fucking, COME ON!
FIGHT ME!
unidentified
Fight me!
brendan schaub
And drove the boat around and made him fall in the water.
He's crazy.
unidentified
He's hilarious.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
brendan schaub
No one wants to fight him.
He's older.
It's a tough sell.
joe rogan
It's a dangerous fight.
brendan schaub
He's super dangerous.
He's super skilled.
joe rogan
He's got nasty power and he's got a vicious left hook to the body.
He throws a left hook to the body.
It's like a laser beam.
It's like ZAP!
It just hits you in the liver.
cameron hanes
I thought he was retired and won the belt like 20 years ago.
joe rogan
He looks better now than he's ever looked physically in his life.
brendan schaub
I hope he gets a shot, but I don't see one of these young guys doing it.
joe rogan
Here's him.
Was he working out here?
Is this what we're going to see?
Yeah, dude, he's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, he's bad.
joe rogan
Cannon Briggs is no joke.
cameron hanes
Come on.
joe rogan
And he goes chat!
cameron hanes
Come on.
Those are...
joe rogan
See, this is just working on technique.
Yeah, this isn't like him doing combinations.
brendan schaub
He's doing a great job marketing, though, on social media.
joe rogan
Oh, man, he's incredible.
brendan schaub
Best in the game at boxing.
Better than anyone.
joe rogan
He's got power, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, what he's doing right here is just, you know, repetitive technique over and over again, trying to blast that power punch.
But he's got real good head movement, real slick boxing.
He knows his shit.
He sets traps.
He's not like a one-dimensional slugger by any stretch of the imagination.
brendan schaub
No, I'm a fan.
unidentified
I'm a fan.
brendan schaub
I don't see it happening though.
He's a bolder guy.
joe rogan
He went for a long period where he too was depressed.
He wasn't in a good place.
He talks about it.
He got real fat.
He got up to like 300 pounds.
brendan schaub
I thought you said 400.
joe rogan
Yeah, we could do that.
I was just going to have it on the rocks like a gentleman, but if you want to do shots like some barbarian.
brendan schaub
I didn't know it was a frat house.
I was just going to have it on the rocks like a goddamn gentleman too.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you show Shannon McCann and K.O., see if you find a highlight video of him.
brendan schaub
Powerful main event coming up.
More balls deep in Shannon Briggs.
joe rogan
I love Shannon Briggs.
brendan schaub
I do too, man!
What's the main event?
cameron hanes
And he's got the old man's drink.
unidentified
When you said Shannon Briggs, I was like, there's no way it could be the same one.
Champ!
cameron hanes
Champ!
brendan schaub
That's what I thought.
How's Java's doing?
cameron hanes
He's still in the mix.
joe rogan
He's still in the mix.
Yeah, he's just lazy.
That's the rub on him.
What about Hector Camacho?
Look at this Shannon.
This was just in May.
cameron hanes
That's Klitschko?
joe rogan
No, that's Shannon Briggs.
But look how good he is, dude.
I don't know, some scrub.
unidentified
He looks like he's about a hundred pounds lighter.
joe rogan
Um, Emilio Zarate.
My apologies, Emilio.
I'm just fucking lying.
You're not a scrub.
But look at this.
Look at this fucking beautiful combination, man.
This is a dangerous guy.
Nobody wants to fuck with him right now.
Shannon Briggs has a real hard time getting fights for a real good reason.
Because he's fucking dangerous, man.
Oh, you know who you should fight?
brendan schaub
You know who you should fight?
Ortiz.
joe rogan
How many heavyweights do you know that move like this?
eddie bravo
Did he take a lot of time off and then came back, or he never stopped fighting?
joe rogan
He took some time off.
brendan schaub
Took some time off.
joe rogan
Yeah, he took some time off.
How long?
He had depression.
About 20 years.
brendan schaub
He gained weight.
Oh, he went to the bottom.
joe rogan
No, he didn't take that much time off.
brendan schaub
No, I'm just messing around.
He's old as fuck.
joe rogan
He took some time off.
unidentified
10 years?
brendan schaub
A long stretch, man, where the game's... Look at this.
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
Look at this left hook!
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Look at this combination.
Back that up a few seconds.
Look how bad he's fucking... Look at that left to the body.
cameron hanes
Watch this shit.
joe rogan
Watch this shit.
He's standing right in front of the dude.
He's moving away from punches.
Good head movement.
cameron hanes
Come on, baby.
joe rogan
Look at this.
He gets it tight.
unidentified
RIP!
RIP!
joe rogan
Come on, son.
brendan schaub
He's a monster.
joe rogan
He's a scary dude.
I'm telling you, he needs a fight with all due respect.
He needs to fight Ortiz, man.
He's fighting a white guy, with all due respect to him.
brendan schaub
I think that's a Brazilian guy.
It's hard to say.
It's hard to judge.
joe rogan
He's whiter.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, I get the matchup for him.
He needs to fight that dude, Ortiz, out of Cuba.
No one wants to fight him.
He's an older world champion.
And that guy's a Southpaw fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
He's the guy that had that fight with that Russian dude, where the Russian dude's head swolled up, and he wound up having, like, Internal bleeding on his brain.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Real serious brain injury off that fight, which is rare.
brendan schaub
Ortiz, no one will fight Ortiz.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
He's very good.
brendan schaub
He's a Cuban.
They don't know how old he is.
What's his first name?
jamie vernon
It's like Joey Diaz.
unidentified
What is it?
brendan schaub
King Kong Ortiz is what I like to refer to him as.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
There's Ortiz.
Can we see Joshua Jackson?
He looks like he's out of Mike Tyson's punch out.
joe rogan
Well, if you watch him fight, man, he's super skillful.
brendan schaub
Southpaw had over 300, 400 amateur fights.
Oh, come on, look at that guy.
eddie bravo
Okay, this counts.
joe rogan
He's very good, man.
brendan schaub
He's very good.
joe rogan
He's a world champion as an amateur.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no one wants to fight him because he's all the way from Cuba.
They can't really get a read on him.
joe rogan
Well, that Cuban team, man.
The level of technique that the Cuban boxing team and the Cuban judo team... I mean, you remember how goddamn good Hector Lombard's judo is?
People forget that Hector Lombard ragdolled Jake Shields.
Remember that fight?
brendan schaub
That's when I was like, oh, I'm not going vegan.
unidentified
Correct!
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you?
brendan schaub
You watched that?
One's a meat-eater, one's a vegan.
joe rogan
He's a vegetarian.
I think he eats eggs.
I think he's a vegetarian.
brendan schaub
Either way, I'm not down for that.
eddie bravo
You know, Jake Shields is better than Aberno, man.
joe rogan
His grappling.
unidentified
Fuck yeah, he just submitted Leo Machida, son.
joe rogan
People forget he beat Damien Maia.
eddie bravo
He's getting better and better.
In my experience, I don't know if I should say most, but a lot of MMA fighters, as soon as they hit The UFC, it just seems like their grappling just maintains.
You don't see visible improvements.
brendan schaub
Damien Maia goes, huh?
eddie bravo
Damien Maia, yes.
That's an exception.
cameron hanes
For sure.
I agree with you.
Whether it's right or wrong, people don't like watching it.
eddie bravo
I don't like watching what?
cameron hanes
Maia.
I mean, the casual fan.
Don't they like the knockouts?
eddie bravo
They like it all.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cameron hanes
I mean, I like it, because you're so impressive there.
eddie bravo
If you just like the knockouts, you just watch kickboxing.
We have plenty of that shit.
brendan schaub
We've always had that.
eddie bravo
Always at boxing, stay there.
unidentified
I just know, sometimes when you listen to the crowd... I'm saying you.
eddie bravo
I'm saying you.
cameron hanes
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
What the fuck you doing here?
unidentified
I love it.
cameron hanes
No, but people, when they're on the ground too long, you hear the crowd booing and stuff, you know what I mean?
eddie bravo
That's like in Alabama.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, they booed me in Anaheim for that bullshit.
That's where Disneyland is, motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's Orange County shit.
I got booed like a motherfucker.
joe rogan
There's like a hundred thousand jiu-jitsu schools down there.
You know what the problem is?
eddie bravo
People appreciate good grappling.
unidentified
They do.
eddie bravo
And the fact that Damien Maia brings that character in, when you're having him against anybody, any striker, whoever it is, at 170, are they going to be able to stop his take down?
joe rogan
It's a chess match.
eddie bravo
Not get strangled like a wild animal.
No, Cam gets it.
brendan schaub
He was just saying he doesn't want to see that bullshit.
unidentified
No, no, I get what you're saying.
eddie bravo
People want to see someone get strangled.
unidentified
I remember when I said it, who I was talking to, it was like, fuck.
brendan schaub
It was so hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, people like both things.
The beautiful thing about MMA is that all these things can happen.
Like what we were talking about earlier with Tiago Alves and Marvin Kampmann.
Tiago Alves was tuning up Martin Kampmann and someone fucked up and his coach, someone apparently, according to I believe Tiago said, someone called for a takedown.
After he had Martin hurt, they were like, take him down, take him down.
And he shot in, and Martin has a nasty guillotine, just locked it up nice and tight.
That's what's the beautiful thing about MMA, is that it can turn on a dime, because it represents real fighting.
But yeah, for the average yokel knucklehead, they want to watch dudes throw knuckles.
brendan schaub
Cam's right, for the general audience, they want to see big knuckles.
joe rogan
But the thing is, it's just like football or anything else.
The deeper you get into the sport, the more you appreciate strategy and crafting moves.
cameron hanes
I see him and I listen to you talk, because you talk through the moves, and when he's on the ground and you just see that, it's just happening.
I mean, it's awesome.
joe rogan
Well, Damien Maia versus Neil Magdy was a great example of me just, like, being in awe.
I was, like, watching his grappling, you know, as someone who's, like, seen a lot of guys fight in a lot of, like, jiu-jitsu and MMA.
Him and Rick Storey's another good example, because I know Rick Storey's a fucking gorilla, and he's a really good wrestler, and the way Maia put the clamp down on him and just slowly squeezed the life out of him like a fucking anaconda and got his back and That's pretty dramatic.
You also have to like it.
cameron hanes
But that's where the commentating, I think, is so key.
unidentified
It's everything.
cameron hanes
Because you have to be able to explain what's going on because I don't know.
joe rogan
You also have to like it.
brendan schaub
You can't sound like a robot.
You can't sound like a robot.
eddie bravo
You know, the knockouts, this is my opinion, I think people like MMA is so huge now, UFC in particular, so huge because the knockouts, unlike in boxing or kickboxing, the knockouts mean more because that guy could have fucking dragged you down and choked you out, but you knocked him out. the knockouts mean more because that guy could have fucking So it's extra special.
joe rogan
Sometimes, sometimes, but here's a perfect example where that's not.
Here's a perfect example why that's not the case.
Misha Tate and Holly Holm.
It was one of the craziest fucking fights ever.
That was a wild, crazy fight.
And Misha Tate, down on points, takes her down in the fifth round and chokes her to sleep.
While she's throwing punches in the air!
That's as dramatic as any knockout, and you don't feel guilty about it.
And you don't feel like you watched someone get brained.
cameron hanes
I think the UFC kind of plays into what I'm talking about because they show the knockouts.
They don't show a choke out on the highlights.
brendan schaub
They should.
They should.
Because on Fox they don't show the top ten submissions.
They show the top ten knockouts.
unidentified
If they did, if they did, it would be a hit.
cameron hanes
No, they could be a fuckin' fuck!
brendan schaub
Not as big as a... Eddie, I love Justin more than striking.
Not as big as a hit as knockouts.
eddie bravo
It would be just as big.
cameron hanes
I disagree.
unidentified
You're crazy.
joe rogan
Hey, boys, we are about to see the fuckin' rematch.
brendan schaub
Highlight reel of the best submissions in the set-ups and the brushwork.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
joe rogan
This is a real possibility in this fight.
Let's take this into consideration.
brendan schaub
There's no grappling going on here.
joe rogan
You don't know.
You don't know.
Michael Bisping might try to take Dan Henderson down, thinking that Dan Henderson maybe gets tired, that he's older.
Who knows what's gonna happen here.
brendan schaub
I think Bisping boxes his face off.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
This is gonna be crazy.
It's going down right now.
brendan schaub
He just has to avoid that giant fucking H-bomb.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Just circle away from it.
Here we go, man.
But he has to do it with one eye.
joe rogan
Here we go.
unidentified
Look at that.
Touch hand.
cameron hanes
And that freaking left to the back of the head.
eddie bravo
How do they let him fight with one eye?
cameron hanes
I mean the elbow.
joe rogan
Well, he can see enough.
He can see enough.
Apparently, what all that stuff does, it's not like his vision is devastated to the point of no repair.
It's like he needs that in there to keep his retina intact.
Only he knows, and his doctors, how well he can see from it.
But it ain't perfect.
brendan schaub
How good does Dan look, physically?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looks great.
brendan schaub
Powerful tan, too.
joe rogan
He brought in Artem Levin for this camp.
brendan schaub
Oh, did he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of pictures of him sparring with Artem Levin on Instagram.
Levin, who's a former world Muay Thai champion.
Joe Shillings fought him.
Like, super high-level guy.
He was a glory champ.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Switch kick by Michael Bisping.
brendan schaub
Bisping's coach said he thinks Bisping wins by left high kick.
joe rogan
Dude, he just switch kicked him up high and it looked smooth as fuck.
unidentified
Did he?
cameron hanes
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean he blocked it but it looked smooth as fuck.
Bisping's fighting nice.
brendan schaub
Dude, I don't get why more people don't talk about his striking coach.
unidentified
It's Cyborg's striking coach and Bisping's.
brendan schaub
Two monsters, world champions.
joe rogan
And BJ Penn, he worked with BJ Penn too.
Jason Perl is a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
BJ's out of the fight, huh?
joe rogan
Yes he is.
unidentified
Why is that?
joe rogan
And they cancelled the entire card because of that.
God!
unidentified
Dog!
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know what happened.
brendan schaub
What happened to him?
joe rogan
BJ got injured apparently.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
I don't know what the injury is.
brendan schaub
Love me some BJ Penn.
joe rogan
Love him.
But you know what man?
That was a crazy way to jump back into the pool.
Ricardo Lamas.
brendan schaub
They did him no favors.
joe rogan
You know we don't know.
cameron hanes
He looked terrible in his last fight, I thought.
joe rogan
When he fought Frankie Edgar.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta realize he's also fighting a monster.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but we've never seen him look that bad.
No, we haven't.
Like a tall stance.
joe rogan
But, that was also camp in Hawaii, and since then he trained at Greg Jackson's, and he's been there for a long time now.
cameron hanes
That right, see that?
brendan schaub
Dude, Hendo landed a right hand.
Yeah, he did.
Dude, that thing lands flush, this bitch is over.
You got a 46-year-old world champion.
joe rogan
Yeah, if it lands.
If it lands.
brendan schaub
It landed once.
joe rogan
On everybody, right?
I mean, nobody can take that fucking thing.
brendan schaub
Cain Velasquez, we got knocked out by the right hand.
joe rogan
And his left hook, too, man.
cameron hanes
But you know Bisbee's just thinking about that right now.
joe rogan
Yes, he is, but it doesn't matter.
So is Hector Lombard.
The thing about Dan Henderson is, He's got that one-touch thing going on where he can just connect out of nowhere like with lumbar He hits him in the back elbow and puts him to sleep.
Who the fuck does that?
cameron hanes
That's a barroom fight.
joe rogan
Take a picture with Dan Henderson, put your hand on his back.
It's like you're holding one of those Indian statues that has cigars.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's like all raw.
joe rogan
He's made out of wood.
brendan schaub
Pure wood.
joe rogan
He does, like, Ryan Parsons, who was his manager and his trainer for a long time, Ryan Parsons used to do massage on him.
Like, he'd do deep tissue on him.
He said, dude, I'd be fucking exhausted.
He said, I've never massaged anybody, or, you know, Ryan's a chiropractor, too, because I've never manipulated anybody who's as dense as Dan.
cameron hanes
Is that?
Is there blood coming out?
brendan schaub
Yes, yeah, there's blood on top of his head.
joe rogan
There is.
cameron hanes
That was from that first one, first left.
joe rogan
Where is the blood, do you know?
cameron hanes
It looks like it's on the top of his head.
Like on his hairline.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Maybe from a headbutt?
cameron hanes
No, it was that left jab, I think.
joe rogan
Well, the good news is he already can't see, so it's probably not bothering him at all.
brendan schaub
As long as he doesn't go in the other eye, then he's blind.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
He doesn't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
No, he doesn't.
joe rogan
Who's more game than Michael Bisping?
No one.
You ever met a guy?
brendan schaub
Let me ask you this.
Has any guy benefited more than the TRT movement than Bisping?
unidentified
No.
cameron hanes
No.
joe rogan
He's one of them.
brendan schaub
He's world champ.
joe rogan
Well, so is Mighty Mouse.
brendan schaub
But he never suffered from it.
joe rogan
I'm saying Bisping's lost.
Ali Bagoutinov fought him on that shit.
He fought him on EPO and he still beat him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm saying he's never had any issues with it.
Bisping's fought guys, lost to only guys who have been TRT guys.
joe rogan
You're right.
brendan schaub
And took him ten years to get his fucking title shot, then he gets it on what, an eight-day notice and beats Luke Rockhold?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
How can you not root for that guy?
cameron hanes
I know.
brendan schaub
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
He's as game as they come, man, and he's been in the business forever.
Remember, he won Ultimate Fighter.
cameron hanes
Oh, that right.
You see that right again?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What did he win, Season 2 of the Ultimate Fighter?
brendan schaub
Season 2 or 3, right?
joe rogan
I think, whatever Tate was on.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Look at that switch kick to the body.
It's nice.
His switch kick is beautiful.
unidentified
Oh!
cameron hanes
God, dude!
That almost landed, didn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah, but almost is a really important point.
He's sliding just out of the way.
cameron hanes
I know, but that timing!
That timing!
Hey, doesn't that timing kind of happen?
joe rogan
Yes, but you see the way the distance between... I mean, look, it can totally land, don't get me wrong, but the way it's missing... Oh, right there!
Right there's perfect!
unidentified
Fuck you!
joe rogan
Fuck me.
Fuck everyone.
brendan schaub
What the hell's going on?
He's 46 years old!
What is going on?
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
joe rogan
Elbow!
cameron hanes
Elbow to the head!
brendan schaub
I don't want to see this.
unidentified
It's over!
joe rogan
No, it's not over, man.
Bisping is fucking struggling.
brendan schaub
Get up, Bisping!
Get up!
unidentified
Grapple!
Grapple!
joe rogan
Bisping!
He's hanging in there!
brendan schaub
Bisping!
unidentified
Oh, man!
Oh, shit!
Get through the round!
brendan schaub
Take it easy, son!
joe rogan
Get through the round!
Oh, shit!
He's like, come on!
brendan schaub
Come on!
joe rogan
He's still here!
Holy shit, this is a fuckin' war!
unidentified
No!
No!
joe rogan
Switch kick!
unidentified
Rest!
eddie bravo
Why?
brendan schaub
Rest!
joe rogan
Here's another thing about Bisping people underestimate.
Resting heartbeat, 34 beats per minute.
unidentified
Look at this cut!
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Dude.
eddie bravo
Dude!
Right!
cameron hanes
Frickin' murked him.
joe rogan
It's a crazy cut.
Look at his fuckin' eyes, son!
brendan schaub
How about that?
eddie bravo
All camp!
All camp!
brendan schaub
Avoid the... Circle away from that fuckin' right hand.
cameron hanes
The right.
brendan schaub
First round.
joe rogan
Listen, this is not that bad.
This is not that bad.
It's below the eye.
No, here's the thing.
It's below the eye.
Whatever's happening up top is in the forehead, which bleeds a lot, but not that bad.
cameron hanes
Hey, that's his good eye.
Isn't that gonna swell shut?
joe rogan
It could, but it might not.
Here's the thing.
They're working on the cut.
The real problem... Look at this!
unidentified
The one thing you don't want to happen.
eddie bravo
Almost is a good point.
joe rogan
Yeah, boom!
unidentified
And that was not almost.
joe rogan
It almost happened again.
eddie bravo
The exact same thing.
He dodged a bullet right there.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of pressure Bisping's under right now, I feel, for the guy.
I don't want him to lose.
joe rogan
Here's the thing, man.
Dan can definitely still knock him out.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
He can knock anybody out.
We've said that before.
But, Bisping survived.
Just the fact that he was able to survive, that's goddamn gigantic.
brendan schaub
That's gonna mess up your cardio, too, a little bit, though, if you're Bisping.
joe rogan
It might, but Bisping, again, has ridiculous cardio.
brendan schaub
Remember his Anderson Silva fight?
He was basically out in that, too, and came back in one.
joe rogan
He was out, out.
Flying knee to the face.
And Anderson just walked away from it like it was a walkaway KO and the referee kept the fight going.
brendan schaub
Was that Herb Dean?
Herb Dean.
joe rogan
Look, I'll tell you what it's done.
eddie bravo
He's turning it on now.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what it's done, motherfucker.
My job is referee.
brendan schaub
Hey, wake up, mate.
Get your bitch ass up.
Shit, look at this.
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
cameron hanes
Come on, Michael.
eddie bravo
He just has to land that one shot.
unidentified
I know.
eddie bravo
God.
unidentified
God damn it.
brendan schaub
Come on, Biz Bing.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that inside leg kick.
And that was beautiful technique.
Faked the right hand.
Now he went high with it.
Holy shit.
Dan.
unidentified
I know.
cameron hanes
But Dan doesn't care about that.
brendan schaub
No, he really doesn't give a fuck about any of that.
He's just ready to fire this H-bomb.
joe rogan
But that all still sucks.
Yeah.
I like the way Bisping's moving.
It doesn't mean that Dan can't land it.
But here's the thing.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's coming.
joe rogan
What you brought up, Cam, super important.
That left eye is sweating hardcore right now.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't mind a takedown from Bisping.
unidentified
Bisping looks good.
cameron hanes
He does.
joe rogan
Bisping looks good.
cameron hanes
He does.
He doesn't look hurt at all.
brendan schaub
He just needs to get a little, yeah, he just needs to get a sweat on.
eddie bravo
Did Dan Harrison get gas during that flurry?
joe rogan
He might have.
cameron hanes
He was going for a knockout.
eddie bravo
He doesn't have any energy right now.
joe rogan
He might be taking a round off.
brendan schaub
He's not a volume puncher, though.
eddie bravo
He punched him in the knee.
joe rogan
Yeah, he just punched him in his leg.
brendan schaub
But he's not a volume puncher.
He might just be waiting to land that fucking nuclear bomb.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look, he keeps getting hit with that switch kick to the arms.
That shit takes a lot out of him, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it does.
joe rogan
Look at this!
Michael Bisping looking for the power right hand over the top!
brendan schaub
You know what the scary thing in this fight is?
Because Bisping, they play that highlight, him getting knocked out, right?
It's Dan Hamilton's fuckin' logo.
So going into the fight, I'm assuming he wants that revenge, trying to knock him out.
Oh yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Oh, right hand!
cameron hanes
It's kind of a slapping.
brendan schaub
That didn't land, yeah.
joe rogan
You guys are both blind.
I don't give a fuck if you have 10-13 vision.
unidentified
What is it, 10-15?
10-15.
cameron hanes
Oh, inside right kick.
joe rogan
Oh, Bismuth's doing work, son.
brendan schaub
Come on.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
Dude, if he pulls this off, this would be the craziest UK fight ever.
You know what?
unidentified
Oh, shit!
eddie bravo
He was playing possum!
Watch that right!
Watch that right!
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
eddie bravo
Dude, he was playing possum.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
Left hook over the top.
brendan schaub
That's an old possum, too.
He's seen this before.
joe rogan
It's like a muskrat or something.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
What's scarier than a possum?
brendan schaub
Nothing.
joe rogan
A badger.
He's more of a badger.
brendan schaub
A honey badger.
cameron hanes
Yeah, a honey badger.
God, be careful now.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Again, that left high kick's a big factor.
That's why they were talking about it, huh?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bisping is a beautiful left high kick.
Look at this jab!
Looking for the right hand.
Bisping's looking to catch in with the right hand.
They gotta get that end swell on that fucking eye in between the rounds.
cameron hanes
Oh, look at that!
joe rogan
Spent some time in Thailand for this camp, too.
See that video?
brendan schaub
The fucker's kicking now.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and he's improving every fight.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
brendan schaub
Oh, look at that right hand!
joe rogan
He's the champ, too.
You have to respect the fact that him winning the championship must have had an extreme effect on his confidence.
brendan schaub
And he's a guy that's never lacked confidence.
unidentified
Exactly!
brendan schaub
Then he gets the belt, and he's like, oh shit, I was right!
joe rogan
I told you.
eddie bravo
I was fucking right!
joe rogan
I told you all.
brendan schaub
Fruit pastels for everybody.
They got big balls in the UK.
unidentified
Yeah, they fight a lot.
eddie bravo
Conor's considered UK?
joe rogan
Well, he's Ireland, yeah, it's UK.
Well, it's... Ooh, look at that knee to the body!
unidentified
People are now... They don't even know what the fucking UK is!
eddie bravo
Shut it off!
unidentified
Shut it off!
eddie bravo
Right hand!
joe rogan
Left to the body!
eddie bravo
He's saying low blow.
He's like, fuck you low blow.
cameron hanes
Be careful now.
joe rogan
Beautiful combination by Bisping.
brendan schaub
Hey, notice the ref too.
eddie bravo
Oh my god!
Out of nowhere!
unidentified
Oh shit!
eddie bravo
Oh my goodness!
joe rogan
He's covering his mouth!
With a hammer!
He's covering his mouth!
brendan schaub
It's so old school!
It is!
eddie bravo
It's so wrong!
joe rogan
It's so wrong.
He's covering his breath.
He's trying to get that arm free so he can cover his mouth again.
That is some old man shit.
brendan schaub
He's gonna rise up.
He's gonna break that clinch.
eddie bravo
He's gonna rise up and come down with some shit.
joe rogan
Let me ask you guys this.
Who the fuck did he give this round to?
brendan schaub
God, that's what I was thinking.
joe rogan
Who the fuck did he give this round to?
Bisping's tuning him up!
cameron hanes
Bisping, how about this?
eddie bravo
You gotta go with Henderson on this round.
joe rogan
You gotta give it to Henderson.
He thought he had it, man.
He thought he had it.
He was turning it on.
He thought he was going to win by knockout.
He's so confident.
And Henderson just drops the fucking hammer on him.
cameron hanes
How about keep that left up?
eddie bravo
Look at that.
He is tying him up pretty good.
unidentified
Yeah.
15 seconds.
Look at Bisping.
joe rogan
Bisping coming back.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
eddie bravo
He's going to rise up and watch his elbow right up.
Bisping, hip escape!
brendan schaub
Dude, it's in England.
It'd be tough to give Bisping that round.
joe rogan
Boy, that's a weird round, man, because for sure Henderson had one spectacular moment.
But for sure before that, Bisping's tuning him up.
cameron hanes
First three and a half minutes was Bisping.
eddie bravo
You look at the round and say, who won that round?
joe rogan
Henderson won that round.
Who did the most damage?
I didn't put him away.
Here's the thing.
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
Wobble him.
joe rogan
Dude, he tuned Henderson up.
Kick to the dick.
unidentified
Oh, right there.
eddie bravo
It was a kick to the dick.
brendan schaub
Kick to the dick!
joe rogan
Oh, it was a kick to the dick.
Oh, my God.
And Bisping's like, so what?
brendan schaub
Notice the ref.
Ivo Levine will let you get your ass whooped.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Did you call him Ivo Levine?
Oh, my goodness.
brendan schaub
Ivo Levine.
unidentified
You called him Ivo Levine?
eddie bravo
Ivo Levine.
unidentified
I like that.
Ivo Levine.
joe rogan
Look at that.
See that swelling?
unidentified
Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan
He's asking questions.
brendan schaub
You said, what happened?
God damn it.
Come on, Bisping.
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
Well, he's got to get that end swell.
See, they're working on the cut, but there's all that swelling.
I don't see them, I don't know, maybe they weren't when we weren't looking at it, but I would like to see them have that metal piece, put that shit on, and at the end, when you know there's ten seconds left, then you put that shit on that cut.
cameron hanes
Yeah, fill it up.
joe rogan
But the most important thing is that he can see.
The cut is not going to affect his vision.
eddie bravo
He dropped him twice with that H-bone.
brendan schaub
How good is Bisping's chin, though?
joe rogan
Iron.
But, you gotta realize that Bisping, part of that flurry was him kicking Henderson in the dick.
Now that we know that for sure.
Left high kick again.
brendan schaub
Dude, look at that.
Keep coming.
It's like a fucking bear trap.
joe rogan
So do you give the first two rounds to Henderson?
eddie bravo
I do.
cameron hanes
I would.
brendan schaub
I do.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
After the kick to the dick, now that I know it was a kick to the dick, I might say it's an even round, or you might be able to give it to Bisping.
cameron hanes
No.
I don't know.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
brendan schaub
How would the kick to the dick sway you more towards his dick?
eddie bravo
He almost finished him in the second round.
It's true.
cameron hanes
And the first round.
eddie bravo
How could you lose a round when you almost finished the guy?
brendan schaub
Oh, left hook, son!
joe rogan
It's true, he almost finished him.
No, you got a good point.
I mean, I'm just making an argument.
I'm like, what are we judging?
unidentified
First two rounds.
eddie bravo
He's throwing sidekicks to the knee.
cameron hanes
First two rounds it seemed like Henderson could almost have finished him.
joe rogan
Yep.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
But it looked like Bisping was coming on strong in the second round, but now we know it was a kick to the dick that had a big factor in there.
brendan schaub
Think about if you're a judge, though.
You're thinking, God, who did the most damage?
joe rogan
And the most shots.
If you look at the strike stats, I guarantee you Bisping's landed way more shots.
brendan schaub
Well, they also don't care, well, they don't care about that usually.
Look at Dotz and Lineker.
joe rogan
But the actual volume.
You know, I'm embarrassed to say I have not seen that fight.
brendan schaub
How dare you, sir.
joe rogan
I'm embarrassed.
brendan schaub
Well, you've been killing elk, so I'll give you that.
joe rogan
I'm out there.
I gotta get a year's worth of meat in one shot.
brendan schaub
That's fair.
cameron hanes
Providing for his family.
joe rogan
Do you want some?
brendan schaub
I don't have a grill.
How dare you?
Are you a man?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Are you American?
brendan schaub
I know.
unidentified
Dude, there's a crazy fight going on, you guys talking about a grill, come on!
brendan schaub
I'm hungry, though.
joe rogan
Bisping looks very good.
Look at that jab.
Here's the thing about Bisping, man.
He's looking fluid and smooth, even in the face of He's in dire danger.
cameron hanes
And he's looking bloody.
brendan schaub
But he's not changing his game plan.
No, let's keep doing it.
joe rogan
He wants a fucking win by knockout, man.
brendan schaub
He wants it too bad.
He's opening himself up.
joe rogan
He's putting pressure.
brendan schaub
He's been able to survive so far.
eddie bravo
What else are you going to do?
I mean, he's got to go after him.
joe rogan
He wants to wear Dan out.
And right now we're headed into the third, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So we've got 250 in the third.
We got two more rounds after this.
This is crazy.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful jab.
brendan schaub
Dan does look a little bit tired.
cameron hanes
He looks a little tired.
joe rogan
But he's still got the power.
eddie bravo
He could throw that ace from any time.
joe rogan
Dude, but that was a beautiful fake.
eddie bravo
Any time.
joe rogan
Beautiful fake to a leg kick, and he's showing it to him again.
Now he attacks with the inside.
brendan schaub
I think Biz being the winner has to win these next three rounds, too.
I don't think he can lose one of these rounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bisping's gotta be careful with that thing that he's doing.
He's doing this switch to the high kick, but he's doing it, he's dropping that left hand in a big way.
See how he keeps doing it?
brendan schaub
And pulling back.
joe rogan
Yeah, if Henderson times that, that switch to the high kick, if he's got it in him.
It's a matter of whether he's got it in the tank.
But he throws that step in, looping right hand.
If he can time that switch to the high kick, Bisping can't get out of the way once that leg's in play.
See why his leg's up in the air and he's throwing, especially when you're going high, there's very little head movement.
There's very little that you have left.
brendan schaub
He's also timing his jab when he comes in.
That's all Dan's been coming over the top of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cameron hanes
Henderson's thrown like three punches this round.
unidentified
BOOM!
brendan schaub
There it is!
joe rogan
That's it!
eddie bravo
That punch!
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's all it takes.
cameron hanes
He only needs one.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think he's capable... It's the power tank.
brendan schaub
It's the power tank just refueling.
joe rogan
I don't think he's capable of making those... Oh, he made the fake to the knee tap.
I don't think he's capable of making those rounds the way Bisping's fighting.
brendan schaub
No.
He's just refueling that battery like a video game.
eddie bravo
Is his right hand actually known as the H-Bomb?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that's Mauro Ranallo.
I think he named it.
brendan schaub
Oh!
joe rogan
He landed it again!
But Bisping's up!
brendan schaub
It looked like Dan slipped.
unidentified
He landed and then slipped.
cameron hanes
God, that's dangerous.
joe rogan
Definitely Bisping this round.
eddie bravo
They're going to look back at Bisping no matter what happens in this fight.
They're going to look back at Bisping in UK history.
cameron hanes
See, look at this.
eddie bravo
Four strikes.
cameron hanes
Four strikes with Warrior, right?
eddie bravo
Look at the numbers.
He's done it bigger and better in the UK.
joe rogan
The first round, Henderson landed more because he had Bisping dearly in trouble.
Like, no one thinks that Bisping won the first round, right?
Impossible.
First round, 100% Henderson.
Second round, debatable.
eddie bravo
He looked great for a while, but he got knocked down and almost finished at the end of the round.
brendan schaub
It's gotta be something.
There's a difference between the beginning and the end.
unidentified
The third round, all misbeing.
eddie bravo
All he's gotta do is throw one big bomb.
joe rogan
That's it, one bomb.
brendan schaub
None of this means too much.
eddie bravo
It just makes it a better fight, but that H-bomb is right fucking there.
Lookit, right there.
joe rogan
You never know.
brendan schaub
Powerful, stiff kick by Dan.
joe rogan
Look for that high kick by Bisbee.
As long as he's standing, he can knock you out.
cameron hanes
Look at Bisbee.
joe rogan
But now I see why they want the left high kick.
unidentified
Look at that!
joe rogan
And he smiled at him.
brendan schaub
He knows it.
eddie bravo
As long as he's standing, no matter how wobbly he is.
Remember, Fado was fucking him up and then...
unidentified
Yeah, then he hit him with that underhook, and then he went to a Z-Pack, and then hit him on the side.
eddie bravo
Do you remember how, if Fedor was winning, he went up the dogfight from side control, he didn't have the whizzer, he kept punching, so he had his back, and then bam, bam, from the side, boom.
unidentified
That thing turned around quick, all because of that whizzer.
joe rogan
Yep, all because of going up to the deep half guard.
eddie bravo
The lack of wizard.
joe rogan
Yeah, the lack of wizard.
eddie bravo
He was in side control with the underhook.
Blasted up the dogfight from side control.
joe rogan
Then boom!
eddie bravo
Fedor kept throwing punches when he should have thrown the wizard and wizard him back down, but he kept throwing punches so he got his back.
And then he kind of face-planted.
He was fine, he was winning, but he face-planted.
Had to take a one-second break.
Without position, Dan Henderson was right there.
joe rogan
Well, Henderson went, I think he went for the deep half, if I remember correctly.
And he got here, and then he threw an uppercut.
And he dropped, like, Fedor faceplanted from the uppercut.
I think he scrambled, and I think in the scramble, Henderson landed a nasty uppercut.
brendan schaub
That's how I remember it.
And then he went faceplant, and then he finished him.
eddie bravo
Fedor had him in side control.
joe rogan
Fedor knocked him down.
eddie bravo
Had him in side control.
joe rogan
We're going to the fourth round.
We've got to pay attention to this.
unidentified
We'll watch it.
We'll watch it for sure.
joe rogan
Here we go, fourth round.
brendan schaub
How about this fight?
People were hating on it.
joe rogan
Oh, I loved it.
I loved this fight.
I'm so glad they made it.
eddie bravo
Damn, this is the fourth round only?
brendan schaub
Holy fucking Jesus.
joe rogan
Luke Rockhold has got to be home right now going, what in the fuck?
He's like, how did I underestimate this dude?
Look how gangster Michael Bisping is.
cameron hanes
He looks tough.
joe rogan
He's gangster as fuck.
cameron hanes
Still 2-1 Henderson.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
We're in England.
Who knows who's judging it?
I would agree with you.
eddie bravo
He won the last one.
It's 2-1.
joe rogan
He's 2-1 in my book.
brendan schaub
I'm with Eddie.
joe rogan
It could be.
It could be 2-1.
Or someone might have made the second round an even round.
eddie bravo
Someone may have gave that last round to Dan Henderson too.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
They have to be crazy.
brendan schaub
Those guys believe Tower 7 was an inside job.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
97 was an inside job.
Here it goes.
brendan schaub
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
You almost fucked up.
I know, I almost fucked up.
Anyway, well, I...
unidentified
I got conspiracy theory that's gonna blow your goddamn mind.
Save it after this!
joe rogan
We got plenty of time after this fight.
We don't have to go anywhere.
brendan schaub
I wish you gentlemen brought some elk meat or something we could snack on.
unidentified
Dude, I saw you cooking that up.
brendan schaub
DiGiorno's fucking pizza crushes dominoes, remember that shit.
joe rogan
Okay, let's just watch the fight.
Inside leg kick by Henderson.
Right hand over the top again.
cameron hanes
He's talking to him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cameron hanes
Bisping was saying something.
eddie bravo
Come on, come on, come on.
unidentified
I gotta pee so hard.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
brendan schaub
No, I can't.
eddie bravo
I gotta pee too.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna do it at the round.
eddie bravo
Hey dude, we need to have someone invent something that we could pee right here in like a little... They got that.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Bisping heard him!
eddie bravo
Where is it at?
brendan schaub
Bisping's just teeing off, man.
joe rogan
The volume.
The volume that Bisping threw.
Look at that.
He is throwing that front leg side kick to the knee.
Well, not to the knee, but to your thigh.
brendan schaub
Powerful Charlie Brown kick.
joe rogan
Above the knee.
brendan schaub
Charlie Brown kick.
joe rogan
Isn't it weird that you're not allowed to target the joint with a strike, but you're allowed to heel hook somebody?
unidentified
What the fuck is that?
cameron hanes
Oh my god, that wasn't bad.
brendan schaub
That is a weird rule, Joe.
joe rogan
Like, you can't front kick a dude right on the kneecap, but you can heel hook him and rip his fucking knee apart.
eddie bravo
Who says you can't front kick the knee?
joe rogan
In some states.
Some states have rules against attacking the joint.
cameron hanes
We got another low blow.
joe rogan
Another low blow.
unidentified
I think he's playing it up a little.
joe rogan
Knees are sacred.
eddie bravo
Dan's a pro, he's gonna take his time.
He's a pro.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he got cracked.
Second time of the fight.
cameron hanes
He's going to take 459.
brendan schaub
He's a pro.
joe rogan
He's a pro.
Yeah, he got cracked.
unidentified
Let's see it.
joe rogan
Second time in the fight.
cameron hanes
Ooh, that was solid.
joe rogan
Toes to the nutsack, son.
Yeah.
cameron hanes
But he's going to take... Good move.
eddie bravo
That's what you fucking get for having big balls.
joe rogan
Now here's, let me ask you this.
Do you think they should be able to work on Michael Bisping's eye while Dan Henderson is sitting there recovering?
Like, yeah, it's an accidental foul.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
But wouldn't it be nice if he could see a little bit better?
eddie bravo
No, that would be bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, it's just time off.
eddie bravo
It's just an eye.
joe rogan
Is he going to go back?
Oh, he's going to take the time.
unidentified
How much time?
cameron hanes
He's definitely taking time.
joe rogan
He's going to do the full five.
He's 46.
eddie bravo
The UFC should hire people to massage the balls.
joe rogan
That doesn't help.
It just makes them hurt.
eddie bravo
Trust me, it helps.
Always?
joe rogan
No matter what.
eddie bravo
You see that?
cameron hanes
He's trying to shake that ball down.
joe rogan
Imagine if that was the job of one girl.
unidentified
She doesn't have to be hot.
eddie bravo
It's about the technique.
It's not about what she looks like.
Who cares if she has fake tits?
joe rogan
Michael Bisping is complaining that Dan Henderson is milking it.
He started clapping and pointing to him.
cameron hanes
He's still taking his time.
joe rogan
He's a pro.
Bisping is complaining that Dan Henderson is milking this.
cameron hanes
He's a pro.
brendan schaub
I know of that one.
joe rogan
I've seen one.
Dude, perfect timing.
It's like you have a psychic connection to Dan Henderson.
unidentified
You're back.
joe rogan
You're back from the can.
brendan schaub
I know a vet when I see it.
He used that time.
joe rogan
He used it well.
How long do you think you waited?
Two minutes?
cameron hanes
Or three minutes, maybe even.
joe rogan
Maybe, right?
cameron hanes
You got three rounds rest.
joe rogan
That's a big rest for a guy who's tired, who's 46.
eddie bravo
Have you heard of those cups where they make a mold of your fucking dick and your balls?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I hear about those every day.
You know, the circles I travel in.
eddie bravo
The doctor makes a mold of your fucking package, and they make a cup around your package.
brendan schaub
Sounds like a telephone.
joe rogan
Let's watch the fight.
Hey, 218.
cameron hanes
And keep track of what Dan does after that long break.
brendan schaub
He's gonna drop a fucking nuclear right hand pretty soon here.
joe rogan
Serious recovery.
eddie bravo
That's exactly what he needed.
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
Oh, the left!
joe rogan
Look at that, the lack of flexibility in that leg kick.
It's astounding.
brendan schaub
Those Charlie Brown kicks, I love them.
joe rogan
World class level.
brendan schaub
Yeah, isn't it great?
joe rogan
And he head kicked, he head kicked back to Lombard with that leg.
brendan schaub
Sure as hell did.
joe rogan
Ooh, look at that jab.
cameron hanes
He's, oh man.
brendan schaub
You give him two minute rest, oh he fucked up.
joe rogan
He head kicked Lombard with the right.
eddie bravo
I wonder if Dan Henderson was knocking fools out like in junior high.
cameron hanes
I'm sure.
Grade school!
joe rogan
Here's what everybody forgets.
Here's what everybody forgets.
They used to call him Decision Dan.
cameron hanes
Really?
joe rogan
Everybody forgets this, yes.
I did a whole piece about this for the UFC recently.
That it wasn't until 2003.
It was when he knocked out Murillo Bustamante.
He knocked out Murillo Bustamante and everybody knew that he had power.
Like, remember, he fucked up Vanderlei.
He hurt his eye.
I think that was 2001, if I remember correctly, in Pride.
But around the Murillo-Bustamante fight, he started realizing he could merc motherfuckers.
So he started really, like, throwing all his power into shots.
Something changed in Dan Henderson's fight style, because now everybody knows him as one of the most dangerous knockout punchers ever.
But they used to call him Decision Dan.
On the underground, that was his nickname.
eddie bravo
And Riddick Bowe went through the same thing.
Riddick Bowe never knocked anybody out in the beginning.
He was criticized about that, then he started fucking people up.
brendan schaub
Boxing's a little different because Dan, you know, with his world-class wrestling background, he was just decision guys using his grappling.
They figure out, oh shit, this right hand is from God, check this out.
joe rogan
Yeah, also different because there's only one thing that, correct, you know, I mean, we're talking about Look at this.
When Riddick Bowe was fighting, he was just boxing.
You know, Dan learned how to strike while he was MMA fighting.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Learned how to just drop haymakers on people.
brendan schaub
Because he came into it just a straight wrestler.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Look at Bisping throwing sidekicks to the knee, man.
brendan schaub
Look at Bisping's face.
eddie bravo
That's fuckin' badass.
brendan schaub
Look at Bisping's eye.
It came at a good point, man.
That eye is swelling up real proper.
joe rogan
Well, Bisping has a background in traditional martial arts, and a lot of people forget that.
Like, he's a really good kicker.
brendan schaub
Dude, he took a Muay Thai fight at, like, 17.
joe rogan
I'm not surprised.
He has good karate, too.
cameron hanes
God, is it 2-2?
joe rogan
Fifth round.
cameron hanes
Is it 2-2?
joe rogan
Who won that round?
cameron hanes
I know.
joe rogan
Gotta give that to Bisping.
cameron hanes
I don't know.
joe rogan
Volume.
What did Henderson do?
cameron hanes
He landed a few left jabs.
joe rogan
Right, but the volume strike overall?
brendan schaub
2-2 for sure.
joe rogan
You gotta give it to Bisping.
So this might be the deciding round.
cameron hanes
I know.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
brendan schaub
And Bisping's cardio is insane.
I would assume... I think Bisping puts on a flurry here, but he's gonna open himself up to a huge right hand.
joe rogan
Maybe.
So the second round, well here you go, Henderson did not fight hard at the end of the round after he came back after taking that break.
So that might have been part of his strategy.
He might have said, look, I'm going to take this big break.
Save it for the fifth.
Yeah, and then this is a really smart move because I'll have a deep gas tank in the fifth round.
brendan schaub
And it's his last round of his career.
Dan Henderson's last round.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
That's what he's been saying.
Yeah, but I would say that too if I was trying to renegotiate my contract as the middleweight champion of the world.
cameron hanes
But Bisping is at home.
brendan schaub
I got a good idea.
I bet he's done.
joe rogan
He might be done, but if he decides... Last round ever.
cameron hanes
Five minutes to the rest of your career.
Come on, baby.
brendan schaub
It could be the last five minutes you ever see Dan Henderson fight.
cameron hanes
This is a big five minutes.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, come on.
Here we go.
brendan schaub
The legend.
joe rogan
Okay, if he wins this fight, he arguably has the greatest career of all time.
Let's think about that.
What's on the line in this next five minutes.
brendan schaub
Pride, Strikeforce, UFC, yeah.
joe rogan
Two titles simultaneously in Pride.
Strikeforce title.
Knocked out Fedor.
Knocked out Hector Lombard in his last fight.
And at 46 years old, if he could win, it's arguably as the greatest career of all time.
Look at Bisping.
cameron hanes
I know.
He's looking spry.
And Olympic medal, right?
joe rogan
No, he silvered.
Yeah, he silvered.
He silvered in the Olympics.
cameron hanes
That's a career.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
brendan schaub
He's on the Mount Rushmore, 100%.
For sure.
If not the second or first guy on it.
joe rogan
I was there for his first fight in the UFC in 1996.
brendan schaub
Damn, that's old school.
Remember he fought Frank Shannon?
joe rogan
Was it 96?
Why don't I say 96?
cameron hanes
Oh, uppercut!
joe rogan
No, it couldn't have been 96 because my first time in the UFC was in 97.
So it must have been 97 or 98.
brendan schaub
Dude, I think you're right about him saving for this last round.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's what a veteran would do, right?
You got that three minutes, let's just skate for the next and try to blow him out.
What year was it there?
97.
Yeah, powerful memory.
brendan schaub
98, sorry, 98.
unidentified
97.
brendan schaub
Allen goes!
Oh, that's right, Allen goes.
unidentified
- '97. - '98, you're right. - Alan Goes.
joe rogan
- Oh, that's right, Alan Goes.
Very controversial, unanimous decision. - Hey, have you ever seen Alan Goes versus Frank Shamrock?
brendan schaub
Sure haven't.
eddie bravo
That was in Pancrase, Palm Strikes Only.
Watch that shit.
brendan schaub
I'm never mad at Palm Strikes.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Here we go.
336.
unidentified
This is big.
joe rogan
This is huge.
cameron hanes
Come on, baby.
joe rogan
Ooh, nice combination.
See, when you're looking at sheer volume, Bisping's got a big lead.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And see, there's an argument to be said for breaking fights up in rounds is not wise.
And that the wise way to judge a fight is to give them rounds, but judge the fight as a whole.
That's what Pride did, and I think that's the more effective way.
unidentified
Oh, the right hand!
eddie bravo
God, that was close.
unidentified
Oh, that wobbled.
eddie bravo
It's like he's got some kind of...
He's like the Grim Reaper with that shit.
joe rogan
It's just ridiculous power.
eddie bravo
What are those blades called?
Sickles?
joe rogan
Yeah, Sickles.
Block that left high kick.
I think that we have a flawed system and a guy being able to win a round and then win a round and then a couple rounds later he gets almost finished and the fight ends with him being almost finished but yet he can still win.
brendan schaub
Because you're saying because that guy won the fight, but the other guy won on the card.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
brendan schaub
He won the game.
eddie bravo
How about knockout only MMA?
Only knockout or submission.
joe rogan
Or submission.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine?
It's finish only.
joe rogan
You guys agree to that?
eddie bravo
It's finish only.
brendan schaub
Fin only, baby.
joe rogan
That would be insane.
eddie bravo
You keep going, you have overtime rounds until someone gets finished.
joe rogan
And you do it in a football field.
eddie bravo
Yes, let's do it.
You want to do it?
joe rogan
I'm down, dude.
I told you, I'm a Dana White.
eddie bravo
You finance it, I'll make it happen.
brendan schaub
I'm a Dana White, dog.
joe rogan
I'm going to make this shit happen.
In your reservation.
unidentified
Easy!
joe rogan
We're going to call it...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Bisping with a right left!
eddie bravo
RFC!
joe rogan
Bisping with a beautiful right left.
cameron hanes
And a left right there.
joe rogan
Nice jab.
brendan schaub
Is there already an RFC?
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Nice inside leg kick by Dan.
Probably.
Reality Fighting Championships.
Wasn't that something?
eddie bravo
How about Fight Companion Championships?
joe rogan
Just call it the Rogan Fight League.
Fight Companion Championships is good.
Yeah.
Shit the weed.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Bisping with a right hand!
cameron hanes
Be careful over there.
eddie bravo
God!
cameron hanes
Be careful in that cage, Bisbee.
unidentified
143 to go.
brendan schaub
I bet that crowd's going, no!
joe rogan
Look at that, he takes him down!
eddie bravo
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
Look at this!
He's got his back!
eddie bravo
Dude.
Oh, shit.
He's gonna get a knee bar.
He's gonna roll for a knee bar.
brendan schaub
Damn, what the fuck?
eddie bravo
He's just cranking on it.
brendan schaub
Darren with the Greco Roman.
He's about to do some nasty ground and pound here.
joe rogan
Now, the new laws have not gone into effect yet.
eddie bravo
Now he has like a 100% on him.
joe rogan
Dude, he's gonna check on it.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Shit.
joe rogan
Took a lot of energy.
unidentified
115.
joe rogan
Big deep breaths.
And Bisping's got that crazy cardio.
unidentified
Dude, what is that decision going to look like?
eddie bravo
In England?
cameron hanes
What is that going to look like?
eddie bravo
Nobody's going to be mad at a Bisping decision in England.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I guarantee you the UFC brought their own judges.
brendan schaub
You think?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I would imagine.
brendan schaub
Adelaide Byrd?
joe rogan
Oh, look at this!
I would imagine you can't really rely on local judges.
eddie bravo
45 seconds!
joe rogan
Come on, Dan!
brendan schaub
We sure as fuck can't rely on the American judges.
eddie bravo
Look at this, he's going for a takedown!
He's not going to take him down.
Oh, that doesn't make him look good.
unidentified
Stuffed it.
brendan schaub
He's going to lose this round.
joe rogan
Not necessarily.
There's still 32 seconds of hammer time possibly.
brendan schaub
That's true.
eddie bravo
He's landed more strikes in the last three rounds.
That's what it says on that copy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he has, for sure.
eddie bravo
He won the last three rounds.
brendan schaub
That's significant strength.
joe rogan
Well, that doesn't mean that, though.
brendan schaub
If it's 10-8, is round one a 10-8?
eddie bravo
It's gotta be, right?
Oh, that left!
cameron hanes
Did you see that?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Round one's gotta be a 10-8, right?
joe rogan
I would say so, for sure.
eddie bravo
It's gonna be a draw, then.
joe rogan
Who the fuck knows, right?
eddie bravo
It's a draw.
joe rogan
We still got 11 seconds.
They never give 10-8s.
eddie bravo
It's a draw.
brendan schaub
It's rare they give 10-8s.
joe rogan
Look at this!
FLYING IN THE FACE!
eddie bravo
How much time?
joe rogan
10 seconds.
unidentified
Not even.
cameron hanes
It's over.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He tried a cartwheel kick, but meanwhile he ends the fight on his back.
That ain't good.
brendan schaub
No.
Terrible cartwheel kick.
eddie bravo
Dude, Bisping might eek this decision out.
cameron hanes
I think he got it.
joe rogan
He might've won.
cameron hanes
I bet he got it.
eddie bravo
It's gonna be a draw.
unidentified
What do you think?
eddie bravo
He won the last three rounds, but the first round's a 10-8.
Draw.
joe rogan
Who knows, man.
brendan schaub
It won't do a draw.
eddie bravo
It's done.
We can turn it off now and start talking about RFC.
joe rogan
We were going to talk about something.
What fight?
Oh, Fedor and Dan Henderson.
Pull up Fedor and Dan Henderson.
I think he went for the deep half.
This is what I think.
I think Fedor was on top, ground and pounding, Henderson went to the deep half, he reversed him, got into a position where he was on his back and hit him with an uppercut and flat-faced Fedor.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what happened.
eddie bravo
Fedor cracked him, dropped him, and then Fedor was in side control trying to finish him from side control.
brendan schaub
Dan Henderson hit that underhook.
eddie bravo
And he hit that underjack, underhook, faceplanted Fedor.
joe rogan
He faceplanted... Here it is.
Let's just watch it.
eddie bravo
Wait, wait, wait.
Let's see the Bisping decision first.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
But it's going to take a few seconds before they show the decision.
So here, push ahead to the stoppage.
brendan schaub
It looks like he cracks Henderson, has him on the ground.
joe rogan
Right before that, buddy.
So yeah, he drops him.
eddie bravo
He ends up in side control.
Dan Henderson from side control grabs the underhook, takes it to dogfight.
brendan schaub
Fedor doesn't throw a whizzer in.
eddie bravo
He exposes his back and then he hits him with the shots from the back.
joe rogan
Well, you're very confident in this, so I'm inclined to think that you know what you're talking about.
eddie bravo
But I could be wrong, though.
unidentified
I've been confident before, and I'm like, damn, I remembered it all wrong.
eddie bravo
I could easily be wrong.
brendan schaub
That's also Fedor Fedor there, by the way.
joe rogan
Sort of.
That's Fedor that had already been stopped by Bigfoot Silva.
brendan schaub
Still, though.
joe rogan
And there's also the Fedor that fought Brett Rogers and didn't do well in that fight.
Pause that.
eddie bravo
Pause that real quick.
joe rogan
Here it is.
He drops him.
This is the fight, right?
He hits him with a hard punch.
See, here's the deep half.
Goes behind him.
unidentified
Uppercut.
joe rogan
Drops him flat.
Flies him.
unidentified
What's up, son?
Flawless memory.
eddie bravo
That was side control.
Go back.
joe rogan
What are you guys talking about?
unidentified
Go back.
eddie bravo
Flawless memory.
What are you guys talking about?
unidentified
Deep half.
joe rogan
Let me see it again.
unidentified
Hold on.
eddie bravo
Shh.
unidentified
We go to the judges for cards for the judges for the contest.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Here it comes.
48:47.
unidentified
Oh, it's Bisping.
It's Bisping.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what, Rockhold, Weidman, those boys are licking their chops.
unidentified
Damn.
Wow.
brendan schaub
That was a frickin' fight.
eddie bravo
Powerful.
brendan schaub
I'm happy for Bisping, man.
eddie bravo
Bisping, at the end of the fight, however you scored, Bisping looked like he was trying to tie.
joe rogan
He didn't.
They just said something to each other.
Shit.
eddie bravo
Sorry about that, Joe.
joe rogan
That's alright.
I wanted to hear what they were saying to each other.
Okay, um, let's watch the Fedor knockout one more time.
brendan schaub
I wonder what Biswin's gonna say there.
unidentified
Let's see what he says.
eddie bravo
Do it in slow motion.
joe rogan
Give it up for Dan Anderson.
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
Got that goldfish eye.
joe rogan
We can't really play this though.
The problem is we can't play the ball at all.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
eddie bravo
It's not ours.
joe rogan
So he hurts him.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
He's getting cracked.
Side control.
He grabs the underhook.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're right.
It looked like it was a deep half, but it's right.
His right leg was on the outside.
He may have even been a quarter guard.
eddie bravo
It may have been quarter guard.
He may have had the foot.
brendan schaub
It's hard to tell.
joe rogan
Let me see it one more time.
unidentified
Look at this eye.
eddie bravo
It wasn't deep.
Deep half would have been like that.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
I thought for some reason I had imagined that his right leg was in play.
That it was in between the legs.
But you're right.
brendan schaub
Right.
joe rogan
You're totally right.
Look.
Side control.
brendan schaub
Right there he's in side control.
eddie bravo
Maybe quarter guard.
Maybe quarter guard.
joe rogan
And he gets behind it.
eddie bravo
Dog fight.
No whizzer.
joe rogan
Boom.
eddie bravo
Uppercuts him.
joe rogan
Yep.
No, you're totally right.
Is that Michael Bisping's dad there?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Powerful Bisping.
I feel good for that guy.
cameron hanes
Yeah, it's a big win.
joe rogan
I feel good for that guy.
brendan schaub
In his hometown.
I gotta be honest, I wish both would retire.
I know it's controversial, but I wish both would retire.
joe rogan
Bisping, you want him to retire?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
He's not too old.
Like, what is it?
cameron hanes
When he loses.
unidentified
He's got a bunch of great fights coming up.
cameron hanes
He's got some big paydays coming up.
joe rogan
Yeah, big paydays.
brendan schaub
He ain't going nowhere.
joe rogan
You gotta worry about him.
eddie bravo
He loves it too much.
He loves it just as much as anybody, if not more.
brendan schaub
Tell me which fight he's favored in.
Let's go through them.
Cochrane, Weidman, Rockley.
joe rogan
Let the guy enjoy his victory.
eddie bravo
I'm not saying every match.
I love the guy.
He could win.
brendan schaub
He could win every match.
joe rogan
You never know.
He could beat Rockhold.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying he's the underdog in every single one of those matchups.
That's all I'm saying.
joe rogan
He's the underdog in the Rockhold fight and that's how he won the title.
brendan schaub
That'd be the exception, but you're right.
joe rogan
Was he favored in this fight?
brendan schaub
Yes, 2-1.
joe rogan
2-1's big.
Okay, here's a scary fight for him.
Yoel Romero!
brendan schaub
And Rockhold rematches stuff, Souza's a monster.
joe rogan
Uriah Hall's a monster, dude.
Uriah Hall got stopped in his last fight by Derek Brunson, but he's a goddamn monster.
I don't think he's too worried about him right now, though.
Who's not worried about him?
brendan schaub
Michael Bissing's not worried about him, because he's 10 and just lost.
joe rogan
But Weidman's dangerous as fuck.
eddie bravo
Those top four, don't sleep on Talos Latus.
brendan schaub
He's one of those guys, he's just like Damien Maia.
eddie bravo
They came in pure jiu-jitsu, didn't have striking, didn't have wrestling, but a lot of jiu-jitsu guys would have just said, fuck it, there's enough money in jiu-jitsu.
You know, myself included.
No need to do that.
unidentified
True.
eddie bravo
You know, but he stuck it out.
Damon Maia, stuck it out.
Roan Carnaro, stuck it out.
Fabricio Werdum, stuck it out.
And man, now they're legit strikers now with legit wrestling.
brendan schaub
I heard Fabricio vs. Kane, December.
joe rogan
Is that it?
brendan schaub
That's what I heard.
That's the rumor mill.
joe rogan
That's a good fight.
eddie bravo
Tavis Leita's got an arm triangle from hell.
He could put anybody on a world class.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this though.
eddie bravo
That's a sleeper right there.
joe rogan
Why would they have that fight?
brendan schaub
Stipe needs time off.
joe rogan
How much time does he need off?
brendan schaub
Enough time for those guys to fight in the winter.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
Do you agree with that?
Do you think that's a good idea?
brendan schaub
I do.
joe rogan
To have Kane fight Fabrizio again?
brendan schaub
I do, because if you have Kane and Fabrizio both wait and fight different guys, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
You could have that.
That could be a headliner, too.
Fuck yeah, it's a headliner.
brendan schaub
207.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The December 30th one.
joe rogan
Oh, New Year's Eve.
So there'll probably be the Ronda Rousey fight.
If she comes back, she'll probably be on the New Year's Eve card.
brendan schaub
That's usually their biggest card.
eddie bravo
You think that's gonna happen?
joe rogan
Who knows, man.
eddie bravo
She's definitely, uh... You don't know?
I mean, you're all over him.
brendan schaub
I have no idea about this.
joe rogan
You don't really know.
This is cool.
They're shaking hands and he's giving them props.
brendan schaub
Is he retiring right now?
cameron hanes
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think he is.
unidentified
I wish we judged the fight on how you look after the fight. - Ooh.
brendan schaub
Legend, son.
joe rogan
That's cool.
brendan schaub
Good for Bisping, man.
unidentified
What did he just say?
eddie bravo
How did he reply to that?
cameron hanes
I don't know.
brendan schaub
What did he say?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I wish we judged the fight on how you look after the fight.
cameron hanes
How rude.
joe rogan
How rude.
eddie bravo
It was a great fight.
joe rogan
It was a great fucking fight.
eddie bravo
When they look back at Bisping's career when they do a documentary on that shit, like on HBO, if it ended right now, fuck.
brendan schaub
Look at the guys he's beat.
eddie bravo
UK legend.
brendan schaub
Well, yeah, he's by far the biggest thing that ever happened in UK MMA.
But you look at his career, look at the guys he's lost to.
Most of them are TRT guys, and look at the guys he's beat.
joe rogan
Okay, but the UK is Ireland, right?
Didn't we establish that?
It's not?
jamie vernon
Someone tweeted and said no.
joe rogan
No, sorry folks.
We're so sorry.
All you people over there, we don't know.
brendan schaub
8 day geography?
joe rogan
We don't know.
We don't know who your king is.
There's a lot of shit we don't know.
eddie bravo
Hey, kings are fucking cool.
I wish we had a king better than what the fuck we got now.
joe rogan
I don't think they have kings in Ireland.
eddie bravo
I'd rather have a goddamn king.
brendan schaub
Damn, Eddie's upset.
joe rogan
I don't think Ireland has kings.
eddie bravo
Bring back the guillotine!
joe rogan
Ireland doesn't have kings.
I don't think so.
brendan schaub
I wish I knew.
We all sound like complete dumbasses.
joe rogan
But England doesn't have kings either.
They have princes and queens.
Oh, they're going to show the Brad Pickett-Uri Alcantara fight.
This is a one round.
Spoiler alert.
unidentified
Oh, there it is.
brendan schaub
Official name of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
joe rogan
Okay.
Official name of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
But I thought Ireland and Northern Ireland were pretty much united now.
brendan schaub
Hey, bro.
So England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland are the United Kingdom?
joe rogan
Hmm, okay.
Although most of Ireland is now independent.
Interesting.
Huh, okay.
brendan schaub
Irish people are just clowning us right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like, they don't know shit about us.
He can't even do a fucking Irish accent.
eddie bravo
Joey could do an Irish accent.
joe rogan
Kenny?
eddie bravo
He could do Conor McGregor.
joe rogan
Kenny?
eddie bravo
Didn't you just do Joey doing Conor McGregor?
brendan schaub
That'd be tough.
joe rogan
I probably did it.
You forgot about that.
Good, I forgot.
unidentified
That's a classic.
cameron hanes
You can do Joey.
eddie bravo
It's one of the funniest shit ever.
joe rogan
Look at this, holy shit.
Yuri Alcantara all over Brad Pickett.
Brad Pickett's had some goddamn wars in his career.
brendan schaub
Didn't Brad Pickett, uh... Who did he knock out?
joe rogan
Well, he hurt... In W.C.
Well, he's knocked out a bunch of guys.
brendan schaub
No, but he's knocked out a big, big time dude.
That would surprise you.
joe rogan
Was it Benavides?
brendan schaub
In an order that would surprise you.
joe rogan
No.
Who was it?
brendan schaub
Big time guy.
Can you bring that up, Jay?
joe rogan
No, he didn't knock out Benavides, right?
He didn't knock out Benavides' Mighty Mouse.
brendan schaub
Did he knock out Mighty Mouse?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
brendan schaub
No, uh, Brad Pickett knocked someone the fuck out.
joe rogan
See if you can find out, Brad Pickett's, uh... Early career, WCA.
unidentified
Oh!
Dude, spinning elbow to the temple.
Oh, man.
Please.
eddie bravo
Got an elbow to the temple.
joe rogan
Nasty punches.
eddie bravo
Hope they caught that on, uh, on super slo-mo.
joe rogan
Nasty ground and pound.
brendan schaub
See what he's doing?
eddie bravo
He's passing.
He's never, he never went to his knees.
He passed standing.
Now he's on his knees.
Once he passes, he didn't get on his knees until he passed.
joe rogan
That beautiful mount.
Look at this.
unidentified
He's going to set up a standing triangle.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
joe rogan
Damn, that was nasty.
Oh, sick transition.
Oh my god, both at the same time.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Amazing transition.
joe rogan
Beautiful, beautiful.
Picket already dazed.
brendan schaub
Beautiful.
Amazing.
eddie bravo
That's the way jiu-jitsu's supposed to look.
Just like that.
It's supposed to look just like that.
cameron hanes
We need a highlight reel of that.
joe rogan
That was pretty stunning.
eddie bravo
Your average jiu-jitsu school, that happens all the time.
joe rogan
Keep going down for me.
Look up left.
That's his record right there.
cameron hanes
Jeez.
brendan schaub
Keep going down for me.
It's one that could surprise you.
joe rogan
Wordy all the way down to 2007.
I know, so keep going.
eddie bravo
Damn.
cameron hanes
God.
eddie bravo
Hold.
brendan schaub
Let me see.
Am I batshit crazy?
cameron hanes
That's Brad Pickett?
unidentified
Hold on.
eddie bravo
I'm thinking about someone else.
brendan schaub
No, I'm missing one.
Demetrius Johnson.
Yeah, Demetrius Johnson.
joe rogan
He beat him.
Sorry, he didn't knock him out.
brendan schaub
He beat Demetrius Johnson.
joe rogan
Damn.
cameron hanes
Interesting.
2006 years ago.
eddie bravo
He beat Demetrius Johnson.
brendan schaub
How crazy is that?
You don't think about it.
Brad Pickett six years ago.
joe rogan
You were right.
eddie bravo
You knew it.
unidentified
I apologize.
brendan schaub
I called knockout, but I know it's a big win.
joe rogan
That's a big win.
brendan schaub
That's crazy though, right?
joe rogan
That's a crazy win.
brendan schaub
Pat Pickett's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's a really good striker.
brendan schaub
This Brazilian said, huh?
eddie bravo
How come no one brings that shit up?
unidentified
Ever.
eddie bravo
You beat Demetrius Johnson.
unidentified
Ever.
joe rogan
I know.
So did Dominic Cruz.
brendan schaub
Powerful alpha brain bringing that out of my brain.
eddie bravo
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Kell Brook, we could not remember Kell Brook, both of us.
Dry.
Dry as dust.
brendan schaub
God, nothing.
joe rogan
Searching for water.
eddie bravo
I was just looking for something.
brendan schaub
Just a freaking hint.
joe rogan
That happens so often to me, man.
I'm wondering, like, when is it going to, like, obviously I'm 49, and obviously my brain is not going to work in 40 years.
Like, when I'm 89, for sure it's gonna suck.
So, like, when does it start to slide?
Is it gonna start next year?
eddie bravo
Keep up with that on at AlphaBrain, man.
joe rogan
I'm doing my best, but it's not gonna work for 300 years.
eddie bravo
Helio Gracie was 96, and he was still speaking like he was 29.
But technology, Mike.
brendan schaub
I don't want that.
You know, and help your brain.
joe rogan
You never know.
What if you could put your brain?
Jack Daniels versus technology.
Who gets there first?
eddie bravo
What if they could put your brain?
They figured out.
They haven't figured out how to put a brain in another body.
But they did figure out how to take your brain and put it in some shit and keep you alive so that you're alive.
You just can't move.
You're just your brain.
brendan schaub
I don't want that.
joe rogan
Would you do that?
Wait, where'd you read this?
unidentified
In some German website.
joe rogan
They could keep you alive?
brendan schaub
Was it a pop-up on that Tower 7 website?
unidentified
I said, what if?
eddie bravo
What if?
If they could take your brain out and keep you conscious on your brain, where you could actually make shit happen with just your brain, but they can't figure out They haven't figured out how to take your brain and put it on another body, but it was coming.
brendan schaub
They're doing some experiments.
eddie bravo
Would you do it?
joe rogan
In your 85?
brendan schaub
When I was 100, I would.
joe rogan
You gotta do it while you're alive!
eddie bravo
So basically you gotta commit suicide, and then they have you in your brain, and then you're in the hospital, and then they gotta bring you home.
brendan schaub
You'd have to be like Brain from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Do you remember that guy?
eddie bravo
Just a brain.
brendan schaub
Something.
joe rogan
They have like a map of the future laid out, and you have to commit to this map of the future.
They gotta go, look, right now, we can't put you in another body, but we have to keep your body in this gel for at least three years before we put you in another body.
brendan schaub
And you can still talk to your homies?
joe rogan
The way we have it projected, the brain in the body?
Oh, so he's got like a super robot body.
brendan schaub
From Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
joe rogan
What are we looking at?
brendan schaub
That was Shredder's main homie.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about right there.
joe rogan
But imagine if they said, look, what we've determined is that the brain has to stay in this solution for three years.
So for three years, you are going to be trapped in this brain, but you'll stay alive.
You'll know that you're alive and you're fucked.
And we just don't know what it's going to be like.
But after three years, we don't know how you're going to deal with the fact that you couldn't talk, you couldn't tell anybody you were okay, you had to survive inside of this jar for three years as a brain.
eddie bravo
It's like an electro with an eye so that you could see out your brain.
So you can't talk, you can't communicate, but the people that know you, your homies, your family, they could just put it on fucking TV, they go, he loves this shit, boom, and they could see that electric eye blinking.
brendan schaub
So you're kind of paralyzed.
For three years.
joe rogan
You're paralyzed.
You're doing a jail term.
You're doing a jail term for three years, but you're in solitary.
brendan schaub
If I was 100 and my balls were right down to the ground, my back gave out, I would do it.
Can you imagine dudes at game?
eddie bravo
Girls that fall in love with brains and shit.
Can you imagine that?
joe rogan
They can't communicate.
brendan schaub
There's no communicating, bro.
joe rogan
You can't communicate.
eddie bravo
But eventually the smart motherfuckers can communicate.
brendan schaub
Little by little.
eddie bravo
They can make little clicks.
They make little clicks.
brendan schaub
You fucked up the movie.
eddie bravo
Evolution is evolution.
And there's gonna be a couple brains that can do clicks for yes, clicks for no.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You're in a bowl of jello.
This is my thought.
My thought is you're doing three years in a bowl of jello.
When you come out, we have to hope that you can psychologically survive the fact that for three years... Do you have an electronic eye?
Can you see anything?
Do you stick a little pshht in your eye?
cameron hanes
Hey, you know what, Sock?
What's your old lady gonna do for three years?
joe rogan
Take Blake Dix.
eddie bravo
He just wants to see people jerking off.
joe rogan
Mongols.
Mongols.
They're gonna come in and they're gonna fuck her in tents.
cameron hanes
And you're watching.
eddie bravo
And you can tell by the brain aura and the color.
You put Torn on and it goes... The brain starts pulsing.
Eesh.
joe rogan
Eastern block dudes with big giant square heads, super aggressive with face tattoos.
eddie bravo
It's the frequency of the brain.
You guys fucked up.
brendan schaub
You fed the gremlin after midnight.
joe rogan
You put God that urr.
You guys are ruining my movie.
In my movie, the brain is just, the torture is there's no way you can express yourself.
brendan schaub
I'm not watching this terrible movie.
joe rogan
They can't read into your brain.
The brain will pulse.
They can't read your brain.
Your brain is in suspended animation.
It'll pulse.
eddie bravo
It'll have more blood rushing to it.
joe rogan
Nope.
Are you kidding?
For three years, it's in some sort of a biogenetic.
unidentified
That's in some bullshit.
brendan schaub
Cam's like, what the fuck did I sign up for?
joe rogan
Black helicopters.
eddie bravo
Black helicopters.
He brings strippers and he's like, there's no coincidence.
unidentified
This conspiracy theorist would say, he fucking knows what's up.
eddie bravo
And the skeptics were like, you don't know, it's just a brain.
unidentified
The skeptics.
What happened?
joe rogan
Drunks.
Too many drinks.
brendan schaub
You fed the green man after midnight.
He's like Gizmo.
Don't feed him after midnight.
joe rogan
Definitely making sense.
unidentified
For sure.
brendan schaub
No, it's so for sure.
It makes sense.
joe rogan
I mean, if anyone has made sense ever.
It's right now.
eddie bravo
Okay, Brendan.
Why are you siding with Joe?
Do you hate me?
unidentified
You hate me!
I'll eat you secretly.
joe rogan
Listen, it's totally logical.
unidentified
Okay.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you guys' movie was cool.
joe rogan
Do you think, though, that... Here's the fucked up thing.
If you do die, right, and they can take your brain and transport it into another body and rig up some thing for you... Easy.
What if we find out, though, that death is not really death?
That all these ancient religions were on to something?
Is that death is a portal to another experience that you haven't entered into yet?
eddie bravo
Have you ever done Ayahuasca?
brendan schaub
That'd be awesome.
joe rogan
I haven't done that.
But I've done DMT, obviously, which is the main thing in ayahuasca, which is what your body produces when you're dying.
brendan schaub
Didn't I do DMT with you?
eddie bravo
Or was it someone else?
joe rogan
Yes, you did.
eddie bravo
Was it someone else?
It was you, right?
joe rogan
You did five methoxy DMT.
eddie bravo
You know what?
And it was a very spiritual experience.
It made me believe that there... I believe in a higher power.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know if it's that bearded dude.
brendan schaub
I don't know if it's the Allah dude.
I don't know if it's the Jewish dude.
eddie bravo
I don't know if it's the African dude or the Inca dude.
But there's some kind of shit There's something in my opinion.
This is just my opinion.
Something created us.
There is a creator of some sort.
brendan schaub
It could be a fucking computer simulation.
eddie bravo
People believe that.
brendan schaub
Everyone believes in computer simulations.
eddie bravo
Oh, that could be true.
Neil deGrasse fucking Tyson says it.
So that could be true that we're in a computer simulation.
brendan schaub
But when you start talking about like a creator, a higher power, whatever God.
eddie bravo
What is that noise?
brendan schaub
No, I'm following that.
unidentified
But people at home don't know what the fuck you're doing.
joe rogan
You're pointing all that.
unidentified
I'm just saying, that fucking Neil deGrasse Tyson.
joe rogan
He doesn't like Neil deGrasse Tyson because he represents absolute facts that can't be argued with.
That shit's dangerous for a conspiracy theorist.
brendan schaub
If Neil walked in right now, I would love it.
eddie bravo
Oh my God.
You know what I would do?
If Neil deGrasse Tyson walked in right now, So what was your point?
unidentified
- I mean, fuck you. - I don't even wanna say that.
brendan schaub
- He would choke your mind, Eddie.
You'd choke your mind.
eddie bravo
- You'd put your mind in electric chair. - We'd start talking about the moon, and then I would listen to him talk about how we actually went to the moon, and I would enjoy that.
cameron hanes
- Hey, so what was your point? - I don't remember.
- No, it was about if you die, in your life.
brendan schaub
Oh, for the next chapter.
Yeah, it's just another portal.
joe rogan
Here's the point.
We don't know.
Look, I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
Nobody's scared to sleep, but everybody's scared to die.
Everybody wants to go to sleep.
Everybody does.
We look forward to it.
We look forward to shutting off because we know that we're going to come back.
But everybody's terrified of death.
And we don't understand sleep.
We don't know why we need it.
We don't know what the fuck happens.
We don't know what dreams are.
We don't understand what kind of psychedelic chemicals are being produced by our own brains while we're out cold.
We don't know what the experience is like.
We know we come back with crazy memories.
And some people are capable of manipulating those memories or manipulating that experience and they have lucid dreaming.
I have to just... I've had brief moments of lucid dreaming and I've never put any effort whatsoever into trying to get good at it.
But I know that some people do.
They concentrate on it all the time.
eddie bravo
I've done it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure you have.
eddie bravo
I used to sleep with DVDs.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot.
But my point is we don't know what it is.
We don't know what death is.
We're so convinced that this state of being awake is the only state that exists.
But we already know of another state that we have no evidence.
When we are alive, when you're walking through life, you're watching the UFC, you're driving your car, you have no fucking idea what was going on for eight hours of your day.
You don't.
You wake up, oh, my alarm clock went up.
Time to get up.
You have evidence based on a few fucking slideshows of ridiculousness that took place in your imagination, air quotes, in the last eight fucking hours.
We're not talking about five minutes of your day.
We're talking about eight fucking hours of your day where you have to shut your head off.
Well, you literally have no idea what's going on around you.
You have no idea.
You have faith that you're going to wake up because you've woken up every other day for your whole life.
That alone is fucking bizarre.
That you would have any confidence whatsoever as to what happens when you die, and that you could tell me that you know for sure.
You don't know what the fuck happens when you go to sleep, bitch.
Boom, bitches.
You don't have a goddamn clue as to what the fuck happens when your eyes are closed and you're...
cameron hanes
To die, something has to fail.
joe rogan
What's going on in your brain?
We don't know.
We don't know.
We're all basing our rudimentary understanding of normal, awake consciousness, which for a guy like me that's not a brain scientist, or you, or anybody in this room, we don't fucking know.
We barely understand consciousness.
On the highest levels of science, they barely understand what consciousness is.
There's arguments as to what causes it.
There's arguments as to what defines it.
Does a plant conscious?
Plants can detect when animals are chewing next to them.
Plants, they excrete certain chemicals to make themselves taste like shit when they hear caterpillar sounds from a tape recorder.
Is that conscious?
No?
Okay.
What about a dog?
My dog knows when I'm pulling into the driveway.
He starts barking.
He gets excited to see me.
Is he conscious?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
What about a Venus flytrap?
joe rogan
Exactly!
Or how about those ones on the Amazon that eat rats?
They get this crazy thing that looks like a trumpet, a rat falls into it and it dissolves the rat.
It's like, bitch, you're never getting out.
brendan schaub
Little shop of horrors.
joe rogan
Dude, there's fucking all kinds of crazy shit that you can say.
What's up with that?
brendan schaub
Part plant, part animal.
eddie bravo
Venus flytrap.
Remember on TV when I was a kid, you could order that shit.
That was an infomercial.
brendan schaub
You can still get those and ant farms.
joe rogan
You can still buy them.
You can still buy them anywhere.
eddie bravo
I believe I think I had one your ex-wife that shit, right?
joe rogan
They eat flies in your house.
Yeah, leave the window open come on in bitch.
Yeah, you know pull a little fucking it's the dog shit What is the biggest fly trap never recorded?
eddie bravo
Can you imagine one like?
joe rogan
Little Shop of Horrors, remember that shit?
Eight people.
eddie bravo
Was that based on realism?
joe rogan
How come they can't eat rat, but they can't eat people?
Of course it could be something.
Like, if you went back to the dinosaur days, I guarantee there was all sorts of plants that were eating shit that slipped up.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Eating, like, ancient raccoons or whatever the fuck there was around 65 million years ago.
unidentified
Sloths.
brendan schaub
Sloths.
eddie bravo
But what if that was the dinosaurs?
joe rogan
Do you think that's the same guy that thinks that the earth is flat?
You put out a video about dinosaurs being fake.
Problem with that, of course, is we have bones.
brendan schaub
There's fossils.
joe rogan
There's a shitload of them.
eddie bravo
And the museums, there's no bones.
joe rogan
A lot of them are bones.
A lot of them, but that's not true.
See, here's the thing.
When you're looking at a fossil, What you're looking at is not necessarily really a bone.
What it is is where minerals have taken place of where the bone used to be.
What a fossilized, like, have you ever seen a Megalodon tooth?
Like a shark tooth?
eddie bravo
On Discovery Channel.
joe rogan
Bud Brutzman had one on his office.
eddie bravo
Oh, no, no, I didn't see Bud.
joe rogan
Remember we had that conversation?
We had a conversation about it.
And Bud was telling me this is a Megalodon tooth.
And I said, sort of.
It is kind of a Megalodon tooth, but it really is a fossil of a Megalodon tooth.
What that means is over millions and millions and millions of years, the actual tooth itself is changed by the ground and it becomes mineralized and it becomes like a rock.
So it's the shape of a Megalodon tooth.
But it's not exactly the same as was in the Megalodon's mouth 69 million years ago.
unidentified
But it's close.
cameron hanes
It has to be close.
joe rogan
It's the actual shape.
The shape of it.
But it's not a tooth.
cameron hanes
Right.
joe rogan
If you do a DNA test on it, it's a fossil.
eddie bravo
It's weird stuff. - Didn't they tell you when you were a kid that oil came from dinosaurs?
Do you remember that shit?
joe rogan
- Yeah, that's what they used to think.
cameron hanes
- Fossil fuel.
eddie bravo
- Yes, fossil fuel.
Hey man, there's a guy who worked on the JFK administration.
He was the Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the JFK administration.
His name is L. Fletcher Prouty.
Prouty.
L. Fletcher Prouty.
brendan schaub
Look that dude up.
What he says about oil, holy shit what that dude says about oil.
He said, this is what he said, I don't know if it's true.
eddie bravo
I'm not a geologist.
brendan schaub
I'm not an oil.
eddie bravo
He says that peak oil, like the scare that we're going to run out of oil, is perpetrated.
brendan schaub
That's it.
eddie bravo
It's perpetrated by the oil industry.
He says, oil is the second most abundant liquid in the world.
Oil is everywhere.
We'll never run out of it.
brendan schaub
But if the people knew that, then they wouldn't pay the prices.
eddie bravo
They have to keep the prices high.
brendan schaub
have to give it this what this dude's saying.
joe rogan
He might be right, but there was a really interesting book that I read that I'm thinking about this today because today I was throwing some, I was giving some books away actually to Goodwill.
We're putting them in boxes, books that I read that I'm not gonna read again.
And one of them was Black Gold Stranglehold.
And there's a really controversial book that I read, I don't remember who wrote it, Jamie, see if you can pull that up, but it was by a guy who was saying that oil is actually a natural process, and it's a natural process of the earth, and that the idea that it was created by fossils or, and then later the theory was that plants, plants like rotting would create this oil.
He said it's a natural process of the earth itself, and it's constantly renewing.
That kind of makes sense, right?
eddie bravo
That's what Fletcher Prouty said.
He also said this, too.
He said the reason we think it's fossil fuel is because John D. Rockefeller in 1892 sent a group of paid-off scientists to this big scientific committee on organic matter in Geneva in 1892.
He sent these scientists just so that they can put in that petroleum is organic.
And it contains hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon.
So he knew that if they passed that, that if he can say that petroleum is organic matter, then people will believe that it's going to run out.
But it was all a complete hoax.
unidentified
That's what Al Fletcher Prouty... You can get that book for $2.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's used though, dude.
That's used.
eddie bravo
So apparently, there's all these oil, trillions of gallons of oils are bursting up all over the world, but you won't see it in American media because they want everyone to think that it's not abundant.
It's so cheap.
We have so much oil in Alaska and all over the United States that it's cheaper just to get it from the Middle East.
It's so much cheaper.
Just like it's cheaper to make products in China than to make it here.
We can make it here, but it's way cheaper to just fucking make it in China.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Do you know that most of the oil that we get is actually from fracking now?
The Middle East is not where we get most of our oil anymore.
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Things are changing.
joe rogan
It's a big issue with fracking.
But according to this dude, if you look at him... See, that's the problem.
eddie bravo
If it's one guy... It's five minutes he talks about it.
joe rogan
There's no way we're watching that.
My head will explode.
brendan schaub
He might be right.
unidentified
Finding out that there's an oil hoax going on.
joe rogan
It's possible.
You don't want to hear that?
It's possible.
Here's the thing.
It's entirely possible that the myth of the earth creating oil through dead things and it being a limited resource is possible.
And the reason why we know it's possible is because whenever there's money to be made by manipulating the facts, there's a bunch of people that are willing to do that.
What we know about the most recent history is that the sugar industry paid scientists untold amounts of money to lie and say that saturated fats were the cause of heart disease and that take the blame off of sugar.
And this is a really recent study.
or a really recent revelation.
We're talking within the last couple of weeks.
eddie bravo
The documentary was called Sugar Coated.
Write that shit down.
Sugar Coated on Netflix.
unidentified
You'll see how the sugar...
eddie bravo
Scientists from Harvard, Yale.
So when you find this out, same thing that tobacco did.
The same thing when you hear about tobacco science.
Tobacco science has paid off science.
Harvard, Yale.
Because most people walk around and they go, oh man, I'm into science, bro.
I'm into science.
They know that.
They're like, okay, you're into science?
We're going to pay off the scientists.
joe rogan
They know that.
eddie bravo
We're going to pay off the scientists so we can fool these gullible motherfuckers.
That's what's going on.
Everyone's getting fooled.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Let's see what it says here.
I can't see.
There's a camera in the way here.
Can you scroll up, please?
It says oil prices were about 60% lower than they were two years ago, yet BP reports U.S.
oil reserves are now at an all-time high.
Up to 55 billion barrels, nearly double what we had just 20 years ago.
This search demonstrates how even our best experts are limited in their ability to appreciate just how much oil we have and can produce.
So, it's entirely possible that they were hoodwinked early on, but it's also entirely possible that they pretended they knew how the fuck oil was created in a way that would benefit them.
Like they'd say, oh, we have a limited supply, so therefore we've got to...
Remember in the 1970s, man, when they fucked up our cars?
We had the dopest fucking muscle cars in the world.
American muscle cars in the 1960s were the shit.
But then when Jimmy Carter got in office, they sensed weakness.
Those motherfuckers jacked the oil rates up through the roof.
And because of that, we got Mustangs that looked like dog shit.
unidentified
That was all according to L. Fletcher Prouty.
eddie bravo
He said that was all part of the game.
brendan schaub
Make it seem like there's a shortage.
eddie bravo
Cause chaos in the United States.
It was all part of the program.
That's how they get the prices of barrels so goddamn high.
If people knew that oil was never going to run out.
This is what L. Fletcher Prouty said.
joe rogan
If this one dude though, let's Google L. Fletcher Prouty debunked.
brendan schaub
Google him.
Yeah, just Google that.
joe rogan
So this isn't a conspiracy theory.
Debunked.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, you never know.
Okay.
But you want to know whether he's right or whether he's crazy, right?
So it's good to find something debunking.
brendan schaub
There's always going to be assassins out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know, you might be right.
You might be right.
That might be right, or they might be legitimate scientists that are exposing a guy who doesn't exactly know what he's talking about.
That's entirely possible, too.
You never know.
eddie bravo
It's not just one guy.
There's plenty of guys.
joe rogan
No, but you keep bringing up this one guy.
eddie bravo
I'll bring up more guys.
unidentified
Right there.
eddie bravo
That one, Jamie Snopes.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
YouTube, the oil deception.
eddie bravo
Let's go to Snopes.
Hold on, hold on.
YouTube, the oil deception.
unidentified
It's a five-part documentary on a guy breaking it all down for you.
joe rogan
Just see if you find anything about his credentials.
jamie vernon
That Snopes post is 12 years old and it's just a message board.
joe rogan
Okay, so that you can't really count.
So we'll just find something.
See if you find something.
brendan schaub
Listen to him.
It's two minutes.
Listen to him.
eddie bravo
How could you not be interested in listening to this guy?
joe rogan
I do, I do, but not right now.
eddie bravo
I'm your boy telling you this is legit.
You're doubting me.
joe rogan
What does it say?
No, I'm not doubting you.
I'm doubting the people that have informed you.
unidentified
Listen to it.
joe rogan
Is he telling the truth or a bunch of tall tales?
eddie bravo
Well, listen to it.
brendan schaub
He's a Kennedy assassination expert.
What website is this?
eddie bravo
You think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK?
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on.
He's fucking with you, man.
eddie bravo
How am I shocked?
unidentified
Of course I knew that.
eddie bravo
I knew that.
joe rogan
What's the website?
jamie vernon
It's just from a college website.
I was trying to figure it out.
joe rogan
Dot edu?
What is it?
jamie vernon
I can't tell.
joe rogan
What do you mean you can't tell?
What is the URL?
jamie vernon
Dot M-U.
Missouri University.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
Minnesota?
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Hmm.
So it could be a student-created website.
Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's entirely possible.
See?
unidentified
This is the thing, man.
Listen to him talk.
eddie bravo
Listen to him talk.
Don't read shit.
Just listen to him talk.
brendan schaub
Just read that description, though, Eddie.
unidentified
No, hold on.
eddie bravo
Listen to him talk.
brendan schaub
It says, he is one of the favorite people of conspiracy-oriented publications.
eddie bravo
Because he's fucking honest.
Because he's honest.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
eddie bravo
Come on, dude.
brendan schaub
He's honest.
eddie bravo
Dude, where do you get your news from?
joe rogan
Cameron Haynes, this is everything you hoped for.
eddie bravo
Tell me where you get your news from.
Name the station where you get your news the most from.
You know what I learned?
cameron hanes
What?
eddie bravo
The oil book is $2.
Where do you get your news from?
unidentified
Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, MSNBC.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, that's all the bullshit.
Washington Post?
You said CNN?
You get your news from CNN!
joe rogan
You watch MSNBC!
eddie bravo
You get your news from CNN!
You said CNN!
You get your education from YouTube!
unidentified
What are you talking about?
eddie bravo
You get your news from CNN!
You said CNN!
brendan schaub
I listed a bunch of channels!
eddie bravo
I thought I stumped you because you knew it would be stupid to say CNN.
But you said it!
brendan schaub
I listed a bunch of them!
joe rogan
Whatever you do, don't go to the news show for news.
eddie bravo
CNN!
Where do you get your news?
brendan schaub
Where do you get your news?
unidentified
CNN?
cameron hanes
Drudge Report.
eddie bravo
You never say CNN, right?
joe rogan
Where do you get your truthful news?
This is what I try to do.
cameron hanes
Drudge Report.
eddie bravo
You gotta name one.
joe rogan
I know everybody gets it from several.
eddie bravo
You gotta name one.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Eddie, please relax.
unidentified
Name one.
joe rogan
Please relax.
eddie bravo
We're gonna say everything.
joe rogan
Eddie, Eddie, please stop.
cameron hanes
Does anybody listen to Drudge Report?
Read it?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
eddie bravo
Hey, that's good news right there.
unidentified
Sometimes.
eddie bravo
Drudge Report is good.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
Here's the thing about the news.
eddie bravo
Russia Today is good.
joe rogan
This is what I like to do.
When I go to the news, I like to go, I read something and I go, huh.
And then I go, alright, who else says this?
And then I go online, I Google it, and I go, huh.
I read a bunch of different, and this is all from being wrong.
This is all from getting committed to an idea and then finding out it's not true.
So then I go to a bunch of different ones.
And then when I go to a bunch of different ones, I try to figure out what the fuck is really going on.
Is there one site though?
brendan schaub
Is there one site where you look and you go, nope.
joe rogan
CNN's been wrong.
They've been wrong about Benghazi.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying CNN's right.
joe rogan
They were wrong about information that Hillary Clinton had.
eddie bravo
For sure.
joe rogan
They were wrong about information the government had.
They have a limited amount of access to the actual facts of very complicated issues, like all journalists.
All journalists dealing with top secret issues have a limited amount of facts.
So you have to figure out who's biased.
Do you know Fox News is biased towards the right?
Absolutely.
Is MSNBC biased towards the left?
Absolutely.
Where's Salon.com fit in?
Far left.
Where's Drudge.com?
Far right.
Who's right?
Who's right?
Well, here's the thing.
Don't fucking have an opinion until you look at all of it.
Because there's a lot of bullshit and shenanigans going on.
On both sides!
And sometimes it takes a while to figure out what the fuck is right and what's wrong.
The problem is, confirmation bias is a real thing.
I've had it, you've had it, we've all had it.
We've all wanted Dan Henderson to win.
unidentified
I was unbiased!
joe rogan
Sometimes when you see a fight like that, and I've been guilty of the same thing myself, you see a fight like that and you say, you won bro, you won!
And then people get mad at me, and they'll say mean things to me on Twitter because You're a fuckin' bias, bro!
Fuckin' Dominic Cruz lost that fight, bro!
unidentified
You know, fuckin' Conor McGregor was runnin', bro!
joe rogan
You know, it's gonna happen.
It's inevitable.
But our boy Eddie, he loves him some conspiracy theories.
jamie vernon
That website I pulled up is from John C. McAdams, who also wrote a book on the JFK assassin called, uh, JFK Assassin Logic, How to Think About Claims of Conspiracy.
He described himself as a debunker by temperament and then so I found a page where he breaks down this Fletcher guy And he's not talking about the specific oil thing, but he does take a topic or a version of a story Proudy has when Eddie comes back in you do say not a word of this.
brendan schaub
I don't want to get back forget You guys fucked up.
You gave him the gremlin microphone.
cameron hanes
But they call him Proudy-isms.
I mean, this is what he's known for.
This is what he's made his career on, it sounds like, is these conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
That's tough.
And, look, he might be a guy like Jim Morris.
There's another book I gave to Goodwill today.
Jim Morris had this alien agenda book.
And Jim Morris is also a guy who's a very famous...
That is an annoying sound.
jamie vernon
You hear it?
joe rogan
You hear that shit?
Everybody hears that shit.
America hears that shit.
America... If you get a... Cameron Haynes, because he runs these fucking ultra marathons as he eats every 15 minutes.
I've been following this guy.
We've been hanging out elk hunting for the past week, so I've been trying to follow him up mountains.
This is what it's like.
It's like him running up the mountain, me running 60% up the mountain, and then going...
I have to take a deep breath, I have to take my hat off, I have to fan myself, and I have to follow him up the fuckin' mountain again.
Can you get Eddie another Corona so we can go deep in the black helicopter?
cameron hanes
And I didn't mention this before, but when you take your hat off, that's like a shining thing.
joe rogan
I understood, but I knew that they weren't looking at me right then and there, so I had to fuckin' throw some... I had to throw some air in my head.
brendan schaub
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Dudes wear makeup.
cameron hanes
Dudes have compacts.
It's like if you have a mirror.
joe rogan
Little compact.
You open it up, you put makeup all over your face and shit, you wear camo everywhere.
brendan schaub
Hey, let me ask you, so you do all this running, what shoes do you do it in?
cameron hanes
These right here.
I ran 200 miles in these shoes.
brendan schaub
Are those Under Armours?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, I'm gonna get me some of those.
cameron hanes
And, they say, keep hammering.
joe rogan
He's got his own shoes.
brendan schaub
Damn, you got your own shoes?
joe rogan
What?
Yeah, he does.
I can get them online?
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
You're like Kanye West!
joe rogan
If you want to run for fucking three days... I'll sack badasses!
If you want to run for three days, you get your own shoes.
eddie bravo
He'd be good at sub-only no time limit.
joe rogan
Dude, this motherfucker doesn't get tired.
I'm telling you.
I'm not in the best shape.
I mean, I'm not the most endurance-oriented guy, but I'm in pretty good shape right now, and I follow him up these fucking mountains.
It's brutal.
There's something about hiking up mountains.
We were talking about it before the show.
It's fucking way harder to do than you think it is.
Everybody thinks that manly shit is like hitting tires with a sledgehammer or fucking doing kettlebells and doing fucking bench presses like an animal.
"Bro, I did 28 chin-ups." Follow this cocksucker up a mountain.
eddie bravo
And then you think, as you're going up this mountain, because like I talked about earlier, Big Bear, we climbed up Bear Mountain.
joe rogan
Well, you didn't talk about it online.
No, it was before the show, so tell everybody.
Because you're doing camp with Tony Ferguson.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Tony Ferguson's fighting Rafael dos Anjos in New Mexico.
No, not New Mexico.
brendan schaub
Mexico City.
eddie bravo
November 5th.
joe rogan
Great fight.
unidentified
Amazing fight.
brendan schaub
And he's up in Big Bear.
eddie bravo
He's got a cabin.
brendan schaub
He's fucking gangster.
eddie bravo
When you talk about savage, everyone says, oh, he's a savage, he's a savage.
Tony Ferguson is a goddamn savage.
He'll build you a house.
He'll fucking hunt for you.
The way he is in the cage is the way he is in his life.
brendan schaub
That guy is fear-fuckingless.
eddie bravo
His war-thec ethic is on.
Dude, he's doing jujitsu and striking at four in the fucking morning, dude, in Big Bear.
We're going fucking nuts up there.
So we climb up Bear Mountain.
We climb up Bear fucking mountain. - How high is it? - Dude, that was the highest snowboarding point.
And there's all these loose rocks and you're thinking the whole time, I told him, I go, I'm here to teach you jiu-jitsu.
I'm not here to run no fucking marathons, man.
He goes, come up to the mountain with us.
I go, nah, I'm gonna do some emails at the cabin.
Come on man, and I'm like, I don't want to be a pussy I don't want I'm like I gotta I gotta look like like at least have a like medium-sized balls Yeah, so I'm like, okay fuck it.
I'm have fans on I have vans on and we climb this fucking and it's we're not supposed to I don't think we're supposed to go to Bear Mountain We just parked and just climbed up that motherfucker Why do you think you're supposed to?
I don't know if people are allowed to kike at a snowboarding resort, you know what I mean?
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Well, as long as there's no snowboarding, I think you probably get away with it.
It might be private land though, right?
eddie bravo
So the biggest misconception for those climbers is when you're climbing up and you're like, oh my God, I don't know if I'm going to make this shit.
And these mountains are pussy compared to your shit.
But for me as a civilian, this was the fucking trek, man.
It was like eight of us.
cameron hanes
How long did it take?
eddie bravo
It was like we were climbing Mount Everest.
To me it was Mount Everest that I'm thinking the whole time.
At least when we get up, going down is going to be easy.
That's the biggest misconception.
Going down works a whole different part of your legs.
Holy shit.
Going down is not easy.
It's just as hard in a whole different way.
brendan schaub
How long did it take?
eddie bravo
We're all goddamn day we're up there, man.
brendan schaub
That's a warm-up for Cam.
eddie bravo
And there's bees everywhere!
unidentified
There's bees everywhere!
eddie bravo
We got down right when the sun, we got to the bottom of the mountain right when the sun went down, and man.
cameron hanes
But just one day.
eddie bravo
You know what, again, to you, we did a white belt workshop in Cancun.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
And it was like, flow rules.
eddie bravo
Hey listen, don't get me wrong, I was in the Boy Scouts for two fucking years growing up, so if it wasn't for that training, I don't think I would have made it, I think I would have died.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
6,700 feet.
unidentified
Seriously, two years of Boy Scouts, but the I did Boy Scouts some bullshit.
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
Think about Boy Scouts.
unidentified
Come on, man.
joe rogan
Big Bear Mountain goes to 6,000.
eddie bravo
Five days a week?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
That adds up.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
This is not, that's Big Bear Lake.
That's Big Bear Lake.
Go to the top of Big Bear Mountain.
eddie bravo
Oh, you know what?
If you go to my Instagram, I did a minute video of the whole, like for one minute, there's all these scenes of what we did.
cameron hanes
Hey, it's 8,000 right there.
unidentified
8,805.
cameron hanes
Yeah, that's... Down all the way to the bottom right there.
joe rogan
There we go.
eddie bravo
Tony is a fucking savage, dude.
unidentified
8,805.
joe rogan
That's a good amount of elevation.
eddie bravo
I've never known anybody like Tony.
brendan schaub
That's what we live in at Denver.
Tony is a... Well, 5280.
eddie bravo
That's not a normal human being, dude.
unidentified
That is not a normal... That guy is a... He's a beast.
eddie bravo
If he was like in an Apache tribe, he would be the leader of the goddamn fucking tribe.
cameron hanes
He's an animal chief.
eddie bravo
Trust me.
Tony is just a fucking man.
brendan schaub
That's all I gotta say.
Cam, what do you weigh?
cameron hanes
When I did the race, I was 165.
brendan schaub
What do you weigh now?
joe rogan
75?
He was 180 and he did 100 miles.
Then he realized it was too much weight.
So he starved his body and shrunk it down to 160.
brendan schaub
Are you going for time?
joe rogan
Everest is a climb.
You have to have ice shoes and a pick and you have to follow a bunch of Sherpas.
That's a different animal.
The Rock gave him props.
The Rock put up a post about him the other day, and we were out in hunting camp, and he's like, holy shit, the fucking Rock posted something for me.
eddie bravo
Is that the Rock shirt?
Nine million viewers.
joe rogan
He wore blood, sweat, and respect.
The Rock has something like, what is it, 50-something?
cameron hanes
Sixty-eight million.
joe rogan
Sixty-eight million.
Who owns blood, sweat, and respect?
brendan schaub
That's a grim line.
joe rogan
Holy shit, look at the first one.
What is that guy's t-shirt on the first one?
brendan schaub
Spart Rays.
joe rogan
Dude, 2.8 million views.
Look at that.
2.8 million.
His fucking videos.
So the Cameron Haynes one I think had something like 300, how many thousand likes?
unidentified
420,000 likes.
joe rogan
How many thousand likes?
cameron hanes
420.
joe rogan
420,000 likes!
Oh, powerful 420.
unidentified
420,000 likes.
brendan schaub
What if Instagram goes down like MySpace?
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
All those followers, all that business?
joe rogan
Yeah, it could happen.
Well, that's the same thing that people are saying about Twitter.
Is that Twitter is starting to drop off, but Instagram is starting to pick up.
brendan schaub
Instagram is taking over, right?
Because they did the Snapchat video now.
A lot of people think that.
joe rogan
Okay, tell me something right now.
eddie bravo
I haven't jumped on that Snapchat.
unidentified
What is the benefit of that over regular Instagram?
eddie bravo
Explain it to me.
brendan schaub
It's just a story, so you can post anything.
cameron hanes
It's a story.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's like, you know, it's real quick, so it doesn't last forever.
So you could post 20 Insta pictures, stories.
joe rogan
Right now, I'm doing an Insta story of you guys talking about Insta stories.
brendan schaub
So it's just like quick.
eddie bravo
I haven't felt the need to do that for some reason.
I don't know why.
brendan schaub
Well, because if you're going to post something like, whatever, something's kind of silly or not that, not a great picture, you should post an Insta story.
You know what I'm saying?
eddie bravo
What is this?
Snapchat is terrible.
unidentified
I post pictures and I just put one up.
joe rogan
I just put a part of the Insta story up.
How about that?
brendan schaub
That couldn't be a video.
eddie bravo
There needs to be an app.
A dick pic app.
joe rogan
Hold that thought.
brendan schaub
Hold that thought.
joe rogan
What?
eddie bravo
There needs to be someone out there, some of you guys out in Silicon Valley, make a dick pic app where you can take a dick pic and then put like something like make it make your dick look bigger.
joe rogan
Too verbose.
eddie bravo
It's too embarrassing when it's small.
joe rogan
Too verbose.
eddie bravo
Is that what it said?
joe rogan
No.
Oh.
unidentified
What is this?
eddie bravo
Damn, they got sunglasses now!
brendan schaub
And what's the benefit of Snapchat?
joe rogan
Try that again, because for some reason this didn't work.
eddie bravo
What are you saying?
Some of you Asian guys out there in San Jose... Okay, well that's racist.
You guys need to make a dick pic app.
Make an app!
brendan schaub
They're mainly white up there.
joe rogan
I'm not going to use that.
unidentified
Yeah, you can't use that.
joe rogan
I'm going to play it just so you know.
unidentified
Some of you Asian guys out there in San Jose... Why is that back?
Cancel!
joe rogan
Put it up.
unidentified
Why is that back?
joe rogan
Hold that thought.
What?
eddie bravo
Um, is saying Asian bad?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Asians are the smartest people in the world.
They're the ones programming everything.
That's why I say, you Asians out there in San Jose, make a dick.
brendan schaub
Okay, you know what?
eddie bravo
How is that racist?
It's racist!
joe rogan
It's not really racist.
eddie bravo
They're the smartest motherfuckers out there.
joe rogan
It's racist like saying black guys have big dicks.
eddie bravo
How is that racist?
I wish that was a Mexican stereotype.
unidentified
Oh, Mexicans got big dicks.
eddie bravo
I would be so happy.
Mexicans are explosive.
Mexicans are fast.
unidentified
I wish Mexicans had that stereotype.
eddie bravo
If it was a Mexican stereotype that we had gigantic dicks, dude, I would not be hating on that shit.
See, that's a good snap.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's not working.
eddie bravo
No, you can't say we have big dicks.
That's racist.
joe rogan
Why is this not working?
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
Cam, you have a crazy strict diet?
cameron hanes
Um, yeah.
eddie bravo
Is that racist?
Did I just say racist shit?
cameron hanes
Say that again because for some reason... You know, when I'm trying to lose weight, I'm trying to burn a thousand calories less a day than I'm... Hold on!
joe rogan
We can't all talk at the same time!
eddie bravo
God damn it!
brendan schaub
God damn it!
unidentified
You guys are redoing it for the fifth time?
brendan schaub
God damn it!
eddie bravo
What happened?
brendan schaub
You're replaying a Snap story for the fifth time?
joe rogan
My Instagram is fucking up!
brendan schaub
I don't know what's going on!
eddie bravo
It's all racist!
Asian!
cameron hanes
It's because it's racist.
It's canceling itself.
eddie bravo
I never said Oriental.
I said Asian.
joe rogan
Hold on, one second.
brendan schaub
Why can't a white guy come up with it?
White guy came up with Facebook and Snapchat.
eddie bravo
White guy's just executive produced shit.
cameron hanes
Mark Zuckerberg.
brendan schaub
Listen, when I say Asian, I have plenty of Asian friends and family.
eddie bravo
People thought I was Asian.
People thought I was Filipino growing up.
When I say Asian, I'm saying that they're the smartest motherfuckers out there.
You can't deny that.
cameron hanes
But you're also saying something else.
eddie bravo
Think about it, Sam's son.
What is that?
Is that a white boy?
brendan schaub
What about Apple's son, Steve Jobs?
unidentified
Oh, he came strong with Tim Cook!
eddie bravo
Come on, are you going to tell me that what's that Apple guy named Steve Jobs is stronger than Asians?
Smarter than Asians?
joe rogan
Come on.
brendan schaub
Who's making his product, son?
joe rogan
I got a conspiracy theory about Apple phones and the fucking updates, okay?
Because my shit has been fucking up left and right.
What's it saying?
It just doesn't work sometimes.
brendan schaub
The new one's coming out soon, so my phone messes up too.
eddie bravo
Asians are the smartest people out there and you fucking know it.
brendan schaub
Wait a minute, what?
I don't know how to respond to that.
joe rogan
Would you say anything?
eddie bravo
Come on.
brendan schaub
I don't know how to respond to that.
eddie bravo
Asians are the s- When I was growing up, all the Asians had A plus average.
brendan schaub
In math.
eddie bravo
In everything!
Asians were always the smartest in my community.
We didn't give a shit.
We were like, okay, Asians are the smartest.
Why is that bad?
How is that racist?
I wish they said that about Mexicans, that we were the smartest.
brendan schaub
Goddammit.
joe rogan
Jack Daniels, how dare you.
eddie bravo
What have you done?
Can I get some of them ice cubes?
joe rogan
What have you done, Jack Daniels?
brendan schaub
Got some cubes, son?
joe rogan
Why did you send this to me?
eddie bravo
Oh, there's still ice.
brendan schaub
You got this, man.
You should grab it with your bare hands.
unidentified
It's like Antarctica.
brendan schaub
And flat Earth.
joe rogan
Do you feel like Antarctica's real, or is that bullshit?
What about polar bears?
Are polar bears friends?
unidentified
Okay, you wanna ask me a question?
joe rogan
You wanna ask me a question?
eddie bravo
You wanna ask me a question?
unidentified
Hey.
eddie bravo
Ask me a question.
joe rogan
Hold on, for real?
eddie bravo
Ask me a conspiracy theory question.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Global warming.
I think global warming- Hey, don't- Listen, here's what I'd like you to do.
I'd like you to talk about things with no emotion or theatrics.
unidentified
Okay.
Don't attack it.
joe rogan
So when you mock things, don't- Don't get crazy.
eddie bravo
You do that!
joe rogan
I know I do.
I know I do.
I'm 100% guilty.
eddie bravo
I'd rip that off from you!
joe rogan
You're right.
You're 100% right.
But what I would like you to do, I would like you to attack these things with just logic.
eddie bravo
Ask me a question.
joe rogan
I'm trying so hard to work on that.
eddie bravo
Do you have any conspiracy theory questions?
joe rogan
Um, we did.
eddie bravo
You know, we talk about some shit that we don't talk on air.
Global warming, please.
It's the exact same shit.
cameron hanes
What?
eddie bravo
With every genre.
With everything.
It's the same shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's fair.
eddie bravo
It's the exact same thing.
In every aspect of the elite.
Whoever's running shit, that's just a little glimpse into reality.
We're not gonna get into that.
It's the same shit.
joe rogan
That's fair.
eddie bravo
You don't want to be honeydicked, Brandon.
joe rogan
Don't be honeydicked.
New t-shirt.
cameron hanes
That's a first honeydicked reference.
joe rogan
New t-shirt.
Don't be honeydicked.
brendan schaub
I haven't used it in a while.
joe rogan
It's Eddie Bravo pointing at you.
Don't be honeydicked.
Don't be honeydicked.
Are you willing to go in on that t-shirt?
Will you allow him?
eddie bravo
What was the t-shirt?
joe rogan
You pointing at Brandon, and it says don't be honeydicked, and he starts selling the t-shirt, and he gives you a giant cut of the profits.
eddie bravo
The t-shirt is me pointing at him going, you hate me!
joe rogan
No, that's just Instagram.
brendan schaub
That's a face note via Face Off.
joe rogan
You hate me!
That's Instagram fucking trolls.
No, but don't be honey-dicked.
You pointing at him saying don't like that.
brendan schaub
Just like that.
eddie bravo
Because we already went through it.
Look at the camera.
I'm telling you, we already went through some deep shit.
brendan schaub
How deep is the shit we went through?
We went through some deep shit.
joe rogan
It can't get any deeper.
Point at that camera.
eddie bravo
It's the same shit.
brendan schaub
You text me, links, pictures.
eddie bravo
It's the same shit.
Everywhere you go, it's the same people.
joe rogan
Point at that.
brendan schaub
And everything now, Eddie?
eddie bravo
Everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
Lizard people.
Point at that camera and say, don't be honey dicked.
eddie bravo
Don't be honey dicked.
joe rogan
Which one should you point at, Jamie?
That one.
The second one?
Point at that one.
T-shirt.
I love it.
cameron hanes
We got it.
joe rogan
That's our second t-shirt of the day.
What was it?
unidentified
I don't remember.
cameron hanes
That's our second t-shirt of the day.
The first one is, what was it?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
We had a t-shirt.
Oh, dead body fuck party.
unidentified
What the hell is that?
brendan schaub
That's way too intense.
joe rogan
No, this is why.
eddie bravo
It sounds like a Hillary Clinton extravaganza.
joe rogan
So intense.
I'll tell you exactly why.
brendan schaub
I can't sell that.
joe rogan
Because Cam put up some post about a hunting post, and some dude wrote, "Idiot, I hope you die soon, then we all have a party fucking your dead body." So, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I put that up online, there it is.
So I put that up online, and I put #DeadBodyFuckParty.
Here's what's crazy, there was already two previous posts with hashtag deadbodyfuckparty.
brendan schaub
It's probably on Trump.
joe rogan
No, just some dude in 2014.
He was like in a band.
eddie bravo
You know what, the Mafia, the Fanny Pack Mafia, someone said that and I thought that was a brilliant idea, but apparently that's huge.
joe rogan
Fanny Pack Mafia?
eddie bravo
You haven't heard that?
joe rogan
No, but I am a Fanny Pack enthusiast, obviously.
eddie bravo
No, there's a movement.
joe rogan
There's a recent one.
Someone recently put a hashtag dead body fuck party.
He's just having fun.
brendan schaub
Microphilia.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw Joe Rogan say bull on a couple of feeds today, and then he wrote compassion hashtag dead body fuck party.
eddie bravo
Is there a YouTube video of someone fucking a dead body?
brendan schaub
God, I hope not.
unidentified
I hope not.
Remember Faces of Death?
eddie bravo
Remember Faces of Death?
brendan schaub
Mr. Hands is kind of a dead dude getting fucked.
eddie bravo
Dude, to watch anything crazy in 1985, you had to have this fucking VHS tape of Faces of Death.
cameron hanes
I watched that.
eddie bravo
Remember that shit?
cameron hanes
I watched that shit.
brendan schaub
And there was three volumes?
joe rogan
You just have to go through that curtain at the video store to get it.
eddie bravo
Look at Brandon!
I mean, Brandon... I keep saying Brandon.
joe rogan
Don't call him Brandon.
brendan schaub
You know what I call everybody that's Brandon?
eddie bravo
I call Brandon.
Everybody.
It's not just you.
cameron hanes
Because of Brandon Lee.
eddie bravo
You know what?
Exactly.
joe rogan
Respect.
Respect to the Dragon's Kid.
brendan schaub
Brandon Lee hasn't done shit in forever.
joe rogan
He's dead.
eddie bravo
I know!
cameron hanes
What's he supposed to do?
brendan schaub
Why do you keep referring to Brandon?
joe rogan
Yo, I got two words for you.
The Crow.
brendan schaub
Shut the fuck up.
eddie bravo
That was one of the greatest movies ever!
joe rogan
Just shut the fuck up.
unidentified
You know, Joey Diaz will tell you, he got killed by the fucking Triad.
I'll tell you what happened, cocksucker.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
unidentified
When Bruce Lee left the Triad to go and do the Game of Death, they put the fucking Fix in.
Dog!
Those Chinese, they follow that shit to the end.
joe rogan
Eddie, he's convincing me.
brendan schaub
How are you not on that conspiracy theory where Brandon Lee was- because they shot- it was on set.
eddie bravo
How do you know I'm not?
joe rogan
He is.
eddie bravo
Dude, there's so much shit.
joe rogan
Don't open his door.
unidentified
Yes!
eddie bravo
How do you know?
Oh, you believe that conspiracy theory?
brendan schaub
I sure as fuck do!
Oh no, I'm saying I don't think he died on- I don't think- I think it was an accident.
eddie bravo
Oh, you think it was an accident.
unidentified
And you think- You know what?
eddie bravo
I haven't really looked into it.
brendan schaub
What was that?
Like Tower 7?
What are you doing?
eddie bravo
I'm sure Brandon Lee... It was just like Tower 7.
joe rogan
He was the Chinese, half Chinese Tower 7.
brendan schaub
Weak frame is what you're saying.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
Weak frame?
brendan schaub
That's what he's saying.
Do you know the one thing?
eddie bravo
The one thing that over the last year I used to think that when people would say... I see links and videos and stuff about celebrities being... You get loose.
Celebrities being part of the establishment and the agenda.
brendan schaub
Day on the UFC now.
unidentified
Agenda 21.
eddie bravo
Like celebrities, you know, part of it.
But over the last year, man, shit, it seems...
joe rogan
What do you think about Robert De Niro making that video about Trump?
brendan schaub
I don't give a... You know what?
eddie bravo
I think he was irresponsible because he should have said, vote for the libertarian guy.
He was like trying to sway people to Hillary.
I think that's fucked up.
brendan schaub
Was he?
joe rogan
He didn't say Hillary.
eddie bravo
He should have made it clear.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Why can't he just say, don't vote for Hillary?
eddie bravo
Hey listen, he's talking shit on Trump.
You talk shit on Hillary too.
The fuck you doing?
You're going to push everybody to Hillary?
That's some dangerous shit right there.
That's dangerous shit right there.
Not you.
Not you.
I'm talking about Robert De Niro.
He's talking mad shit.
No one's ever fucking done that before.
He thinks he's a bad motherfucker.
He thinks he's the dude from Raging Bull.
I'm going to punch you in the face.
How do you know Donald Trump isn't taking privates with John Danaher?
unidentified
How do you know that shit?
brendan schaub
Well, we kind of know.
He'll hook you.
eddie bravo
Oh, I'm going to punch you in the face.
The guy's 89 years old.
You should make it clear.
Make it clear.
brendan schaub
We got ourselves a cock fight.
joe rogan
John Voight and Robert De Niro going at each other.
I'm so ashamed of our fellow actor Bobby De Niro's rant against Donald Trump.
What foul words he used against a presidential nominee.
eddie bravo
Of course.
brendan schaub
He says Trump's words did not hurt anyone?
I disagree.
I don't think Rob De Niro's hurt anyone.
eddie bravo
Hey listen, Donald Trump is a con artist and all that shit, but Hillary is a proven criminal.
Don't you make it clear you make it clear like yeah, fuck Donald Trump.
I'm all good with that I understand that fuck Yeah, make sure you say fuck Hillary do here's my question.
joe rogan
Here's my question is a legitimate question is it possible that until The internet came around and we were able to see all the different influences on political processes, special interest groups, lobbyists, all that kind of stuff.
All these different things that we didn't know whether or not were real.
We all got to see it sort of consolidated, right?
Is it possible that these people that are here, these long-term people, you don't have to name them, just anybody that's deeply entrenched in the system for 20, 30 years, they were used to operating Back in, like, the fuckin' Reagan days, man.
I mean, they were around, they were getting into the mix back when they were kids.
Jimmy Carter was president, Ford was president.
You know, when they were in college, they went through the Vietnam War.
eddie bravo
Who's that?
joe rogan
You're dealing with all of them.
Look, you could look all down the list of all the different people that have been involved in American politics over the last few years, and most of them got their start a long time ago.
They get deeply entrenched in this system.
And it's entirely possible that this system is so fucking weird, and there's so many loopholes as to what's legal and what's not legal.
It's not about doing what's right or doing what's good for the American people.
You're competing with all these other people that are doing the same thing.
eddie bravo
The biggest problem going on, in my opinion, and I'm a fucking idiot, alright?
I'm an idiot.
But the biggest problem, in my fucking opinion, is that it's so easily to honey dick the masses.
The masses have all the power.
We see it in the weed movement.
Weed's being legalized, and the feds don't want that shit.
But the people are waking up to at least weed, but they won't wake up to all the rest of the shit.
That's the fucking problem.
The people that are gullible, and they just buy all this shit.
That's the problem.
That's the problem right there.
Wake the fuck up.
Jesus goddamn Christ!
brendan schaub
Bravo for president!
eddie bravo
That's the fucking problem!
cameron hanes
Hey, my question is, you started that off with you had a question.
What was the question?
Hey, my question, Jamie?
unidentified
Bro.
eddie bravo
Everybody's talking about the reason why we have Donald Trump and Hillary as candidates is because everyone believes all the shit they see on TV.
This is a result of all these skeptics going, there's no fucking proof that they're corrupt.
There's no fucking proof that they're corrupt.
unidentified
They're not corrupt.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
unidentified
It's those motherfuckers Paid or in a trance.
eddie bravo
Paid or in a trance.
It's those motherfuckers.
That's why we got Hillary and Trump.
That's why, you motherfuckers.
Because of you!
That's it.
I'm done.
brendan schaub
Let's all take a breath.
joe rogan
Let's all take a breath.
brendan schaub
Think about which is happening The we never saw the truth You guys haven't seen it.
joe rogan
I don't even want to see it.
brendan schaub
No, it's legit.
joe rogan
I'm scared to play it though.
I apologize.
unidentified
If we play it on YouTube, we can get pulled off of YouTube.
joe rogan
Whoever owns it, for sure, we get pulled off of YouTube.
cameron hanes
It's Access Hollywood, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can't even play the audio.
eddie bravo
Can we talk about pussy?
joe rogan
We can get ganked.
We'll watch it off the air.
Whenever anything happens, it's like a news story.
It's like one of the ways that videos get pulled off of things.
cameron hanes
Hey, all your Insta stories are up.
joe rogan
Powerful.
They go up instantly.
brendan schaub
The five or six... You're saying you had a problem.
joe rogan
They weren't posting for some reason.
Some of them weren't.
brendan schaub
Sounds like they all got posted.
joe rogan
All of them even make a complaining about them being posted.
cameron hanes
There's like ten of them up.
joe rogan
Oh, I definitely did at least ten.
cameron hanes
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I was like, conspiracy!
My phone's not working as good!
The fucking new phone's out!
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
Did you, uh... It's all, but, see, even, it's like, Instastories, it's all, like, we did it on the podcast.
brendan schaub
How do we know that's not fake?
Um...
eddie bravo
I'm mind blown.
You're out of shit, dude.
brendan schaub
It's all fake.
That fight could have been fake.
You guys could have photoshopped that out for a while.
eddie bravo
The UFC is an example.
It's like weed.
Weed is an example of the power of the people.
And so is the UFC.
That was the power of the motherfucking people.
Underground, keeping it alive on DirecTV.
All those guys.
That's an example that we do have the fucking power.
But we can't use it until you wake the fuck up.
Then we can use it.
We can't use it until you wake up!
brendan schaub
He's right.
eddie bravo
Wake up, Cam.
We did it with the weed, and we did it with the UFC!
And then we got... It's just... I know you guys need proof, but it's reality.
The Pentagon just got busted spending a half a billion dollars on fake Taliban al-Qaeda videos.
What the fuck does that mean to you?
You're gonna ignore that shit?
That means you can't... You don't...
It's all been a fucking reality show, and everything's cool.
Everyone's going to sit there, and everybody's cool.
Oh, whatever, we're just going to keep going.
I don't think that's... They're making fake videos!
Five hundred million dollar fake videos.
They've got to have the Arabic writing and make it look like Arabic Middle East CNN.
Oh, shit!
And I know you guys thought you'd need to... It's so outrageous that I understand.
It's so outrageous that, like, you need absolute proof that... You saw it on Russia Today.
joe rogan
You saw it on Russia Today.
eddie bravo
It's real.
It's actually real.
But I know you guys need the proof because it's so crazy.
It's so insane, of course.
It's so insane.
But what the fuck if it's real?
Yeah.
What the fuck does that mean?
It means everything we see on TV is all programmed not like the sum of it I trust them here and I trust them.
These are straight.
cameron hanes
That's the Truman Show.
eddie bravo
Corruption, straight Brainwash mind control.
So don't tell tell me where you are getting your news from before you start talking Are you saying what are you getting your fucking news from?
joe rogan
Isn't it possible that even the news people are being deceived like Of course they're being told what to do and what to say.
eddie bravo
They're not involved.
unidentified
So who's running all this?
The guy you see talking?
eddie bravo
With the guy you see talking?
You don't think I don't have enough power?
unidentified
So who's running all this?
joe rogan
I'm not even talking about them because there's the guy you see talking.
eddie bravo
That's a good question.
joe rogan
There's also people behind the scenes.
Great question.
eddie bravo
I don't know where to start.
It's the same shit that we've gone through already.
But everywhere else.
Everyone else is just as corrupt.
So listen, everyone's just sitting around and hoping everything's gonna be fucking fine, but guess what?
We got Hillary and we got Trump as candidates.
It's because motherfuckers just want to ignore it.
brendan schaub
That's what it's about.
eddie bravo
So who's your choice?
I don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
I'd rather have Trump than Hillary.
eddie bravo
I know Trump's full of shit.
cameron hanes
So if you vote right now...
eddie bravo
It's Trump.
brendan schaub
You know what, if I vote right now, it would be anybody but them.
I would vote for that libertarian guy.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit about him because he's not on TV.
He's not on TV.
joe rogan
He gets on TV.
He had a moment on TV where he didn't know.
eddie bravo
Vote for that motherfucker.
Goddamn, vote for that dude.
But that dude might be fucking bought and sold.
That libertarian movement could just be controlled opposition.
That's just basic domination 101.
brendan schaub
Control your opposition.
eddie bravo
I don't think the people at the top are doing that.
joe rogan
Eddie, look at this.
So he found it on the Independent.
This is another website.
unidentified
What does that mean if it's true?
eddie bravo
If it is true, what does that mean?
cameron hanes
That means that all you skeptics...
You need to eat fuckin' shit!
eddie bravo
That's what that means.
joe rogan
Eat shit!
cameron hanes
Didn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
All the guys that, oh no!
We're in there because we're trying to fuckin' create freedom!
You motherfuckers!
That's why we're in there.
You're trying to create freedom in the Middle East?
It's a fuckin' scam.
Fuckin' million dollars on a fake-ass terrorist video!
Fake-ass terrorist video!
It's out there!
What the fuck does that mean?
What does that mean?
You know what?
It doesn't mean shit!
It doesn't mean shit!
It doesn't mean shit.
We're gonna just keep going on.
joe rogan
I'm trying to figure out how much we drank.
I'm gonna sip.
eddie bravo
Doesn't mean shit.
That doesn't mean shit.
joe rogan
No, you got a point.
Listen, if someone spent that kind of money... Hey, hey, hey!
unidentified
We could fuckin'... We could...
eddie bravo
Man, if there was a way, I don't want to be part of it.
unidentified
Do you think?
eddie bravo
Because I don't want to die.
I don't want to be part of it and I don't want to shut the fuck up.
You always say this.
I don't want to be part of it because I don't want to die.
But god damn it, I wasn't a part of the weed movement.
I was just kind of off to the side talking shit.
But I don't want to be like the dude, like those dudes in the fucking, a normal movement and the guys that got all political with it and actually went to these meetings and had the laws changed.
I ain't doing that!
brendan schaub
I ain't going to no goddamn... You don't care nothing.
eddie bravo
I'm here at a Congress meeting.
brendan schaub
I can talk all this shit, but you don't want to do the work?
eddie bravo
I don't.
I just want to wake people up and let them do it.
I'm too fucking scared.
brendan schaub
I'm too lazy.
I don't want to do it.
joe rogan
I think in a way you're doing something, though.
I think in a way anybody who talks about it is doing something.
Because we're changing public... I think we have the power, man.
eddie bravo
We can do this.
brendan schaub
You just got to wake the fuck up.
joe rogan
People are changing public opinion, which is what changes.
Public opinion sort of changes first, and then policy changes.
cameron hanes
It just depends on your platform.
brendan schaub
It's getting the word out and the view.
Look at Colin Kaepernick with his stand.
Whether you agree with it or not, it's brought attention to the situation.
joe rogan
We all know it now.
Exactly.
All these little things, in a lot of ways, they add up.
Every little thing that happens that makes people talk about it, it adds up.
eddie bravo
We gotta band together, man, because when you band together, no one can be singled out.
We could take it all back.
We could do anything we fucking want to do.
We made weed legal!
We made weed legal!
That's fucking nuts!
And you know what the feds?
brendan schaub
Still Schedule 1.
No.
They fucking fine.
eddie bravo
Still Schedule 1.
But the people made that shit legal.
The people have the fucking power, man, they do!
That's the reason why they're making these fake videos.
Why do you think they're making these fake terrorist videos?
Because they know what the bottom line is.
Bottom line, the people have the power, so we gotta scare them!
Because they have the power!
brendan schaub
Me and Cam just trying to run, man.
joe rogan
I'm just trying to run with Cam, man.
What do you think their objective is?
To get us more scared?
unidentified
Money.
joe rogan
By war, right?
eddie bravo
By going to wardrobe?
Because there's money in wardrobe?
- 'Cause there's money more? - I listen to guys that used to be in the CIA, John Stockwell, look him up.
You listen to what they say, the whistleblowers, there's plenty of them.
But John Stockwell, man, he came out and he just told you exactly the way it fucking was.
And you know what, people at the very top-- - Is he dead now? - There's a lot of great CIA agents, like all the guys coming up, they wanna stop communism.
It's just a few key guys are corrupt, just like in every organization, just like in every agency, just like in every government, just everywhere there's corruption.
It isn't just here.
Every, every goddamn government.
cameron hanes
Is the goal To create fear?
eddie bravo
That's part of it.
That's part of it, of course.
cameron hanes
Because fear is control?
brendan schaub
Yes, that's part of control.
eddie bravo
A lot of control.
Food control.
brendan schaub
Energy control.
eddie bravo
A lot of control.
Water control.
brendan schaub
Control all that shit.
Agenda 21.
Look into Agenda 21.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
eddie bravo
What does that mean?
Agenda 21 is what we need to do to take this world, the world leaders got together, And this is like UN shit.
brendan schaub
CFR shit.
eddie bravo
They all got together.
brendan schaub
Fuck countries and borders.
All the guys with all the money said, what are we going to do?
It would be best if we just fucking control this shit.
Make it a one world government and we control everything.
eddie bravo
That's what we're in the middle of.
brendan schaub
It's increments and people like, just like...
eddie bravo
They don't notice it's happening in increments.
We can stop this shit!
brendan schaub
We can stop this shit, man!
eddie bravo
We can turn this shit around!
We don't have to fucking just sit there and watch it fucking happen.
We don't have to watch it happen.
We can stop it.
joe rogan
I think what we talked about earlier, that culture is kind of like a battleship, in a lot of ways.
And it's hard to make these big, giant turns.
It doesn't turn like a car.
brendan schaub
You gotta educate it when you're getting in line.
joe rogan
It takes a long time to, like, everybody has to realize, oh yeah, we gotta move this way.
Oh, this is ridiculous.
I think this is what we're seeing in this election.
It's like one of the last one of these elections where we really entrust completely in a two-party system.
I think we're, like, realizing it's ridiculous.
brendan schaub
Especially when you watch the debates.
I've never been so into a presidential race.
I'm like, how ridiculous are these debates?
How stupid is this?
Are you listening to what Hillary's saying?
No one's saying anything!
eddie bravo
But Hillary's just like saying all those cliché, like in a cliché political movie, like, oh, I'm gonna bring back people because I care about you, and we're gonna get jobs, and we're gonna have everybody working, and women are gonna have rights, and we're gonna do this, and we're gonna bring it back!
brendan schaub
That cheesy!
eddie bravo
That cheesy right there!
Ah, fuck yeah!
brendan schaub
Ah, fuck yeah!
unidentified
Fuck yeah!
brendan schaub
They're politicians.
eddie bravo
Oh my god!
You guys realize what's going on?
That's what's going on.
Either you're going, fuck yeah!
Or you're like, what the fuck?
This is some bullshit.
joe rogan
I do both.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ!
cameron hanes
Come on!
In Trump with Hillary, I wanted Trump to sound good.
I really badly wanted him to sound good.
And I had to end up turning the channel.
Because I was afraid of what he was going to say.
eddie bravo
You know what, if it's between Trump and Hillary, I'm gonna go with Trump, but I know Trump's full of shit, too.
But damn, I know Hillary's just in the fuckin' program.
They are the establishment.
Everybody wants Hillary, because they know if Hillary is president, ooh, everything goes smooth sailing from here.
Fuckin' business as motherfuckin' usual.
If we get Hillary in there, no kinks.
unidentified
It's the same shit we've been doing for fuckin' 35 years.
eddie bravo
Oh, but if you got Trump, it sounds like he's gonna fuck shit up!
And then he's gonna, man, who knows?
cameron hanes
Or!
eddie bravo
That's just a big distraction!
That could easily be a distraction!
Trump might be in on it!
unidentified
Trump could easily be in on it!
brendan schaub
Come on!
eddie bravo
We're dealing with fucking, like some Gotham City corruption type mindset!
brendan schaub
And Trump's bank?
He could easily be in on it!
eddie bravo
He might be part of it!
cameron hanes
We need Heath Ledger!
eddie bravo
We need someone that everyone's gonna hate!
You just be yourself!
Imagine what it's gonna do for your network!
Imagine!
And they're partying together!
I don't fucking trust shit.
joe rogan
Is it the plot of Dark Knight?
unidentified
Yeah.
Really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's Bane.
That's what Bane's trying to do in that movie.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
We're in some fucked up shit.
brendan schaub
You need to be best man, but you're acting like Robin right now.
eddie bravo
You know why?
Because the people that are watching Tower 7 Collapse at freefall speed and believe the corrupt ass government.
The corrupt ass government is the one that told you office fires brought it down!
The corrupt ass government said office fires brought it down!
brendan schaub
Hilarious!
eddie bravo
And the skeptics say, yeah!
unidentified
Yeah!
cameron hanes
Hey, Eddie.
Yeah!
Eddie, I see a comment that says, waiting for Eddie to explode.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
unidentified
That is the problem.
eddie bravo
Whatever is causing that, that is the problem.
Whatever is causing that, whether it's...
I don't know.
Whatever's causing a man, a grown-ass man, to watch a skyscraper collapse at free-fall speed, like the way controlled demolitions do, and have the corrupt-ass government tell you that it was office fires, all that shit you see on Popular Mechanics and the Discovery Channel, that's all from the government, motherfucker.
Open your goddamn eyes.
brendan schaub
You're being honey-dicked, dude.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
unidentified
No, me?
eddie bravo
So when the guys that believe the government that that came down because of normal office fires, that's the problem.
That's the problem.
unidentified
Don't you see?
brendan schaub
You thought you had an endurance cam?
eddie bravo
If there wasn't that problem, if we could easily...
We have all the evidence in the goddamn world.
unidentified
Open your eyes.
eddie bravo
Five angles of a 47-story skyscraper collapsing at free-fall speed...
The government didn't say shit for eight years.
They didn't even put it in the 9-11 commission report.
They just didn't say shit, finally, from public pressure.
They go, what the fuck happened at Tower 7?
That was the third skyscraper.
brendan schaub
Cam, what do you think happened at Tower 7?
eddie bravo
So they said, guess what?
cameron hanes
It's 15 years ago.
We need to move on.
eddie bravo
It got hot.
He doesn't even know.
Most people don't even know.
They did a great job at making...
If you don't put it on mainstream media, some people are going to find out, but they know not everyone is going to find out.
And you know what?
All the people you take, all of them, they ain't going to find there yet.
There's going to be more people that don't fucking know.
You know, most people do not know...
Three towers collapsed at three-fourth speed!
joe rogan
Eddie, we talk about this too much, man.
We talk about this too much.
brendan schaub
Well, he's trying to start a revolution!
joe rogan
We talk about this, like, so many times, man.
unidentified
Don't limit us!
joe rogan
I'm talking about hypnosis that's going on!
I'm talking about hypnosis!
eddie bravo
Not anymore.
joe rogan
Hypnosis!
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
And we went down Conspiracy Alley, and it just fucking...
eddie bravo
I'm just using Tower 7 as an example of hypnosis.
brendan schaub
You fucked up my high, bro.
joe rogan
You put me in a bad spot.
brendan schaub
Okay, let's take it out of here.
eddie bravo
You know what, we can go right back to... We can go back to... No, man, we're just talking, dude.
joe rogan
I mean, we're just having fun.
Frank Shamrock and Alan Goes, super pancreas.
You get super passionate.
That's a great fight!
eddie bravo
You might want to look up that pancreas.
Alan Goes, Frank Shamrock.
Don't ever forget about that fight.
brendan schaub
I'd rather look at Frank Shamrock.
eddie bravo
You could grab a rope and they gotta reset.
So Alan Goulds was all over Frank Shamrock.
Had him all sorts of shit.
Frank Shamrock grabbed the rope.
He kept separating him.
And then finally at the end, Frank Shamrock grabs a toehold on Alan Goulds and fucking breaks his fucking foot.
You gotta watch that fight.
brendan schaub
Cam, I got a question for you.
What's the most dangerous thing you've hunted?
Because I don't know shit about hunting.
I remember you telling me about a guy who hunts... Water buffalo.
He would shoot him, right?
And then if he got close, he would have to shoot him again because they charge?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that was a show that I watched.
It was really kind of disturbing.
The guy shot an elephant.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the elephant started running at him, and then the guy with the rifle shot the elephant in the head.
And I was like, what is going on here?
brendan schaub
That was gnarly.
cameron hanes
On some of those in Africa, on that dangerous game, you can't shoot when they're way out there because your aim isn't going to be that accurate.
So you have to wait until they're right there until you know you're going to be able to get them.
brendan schaub
What kind of dangerous game are we talking here?
cameron hanes
Elephant, hippo, buffalo.
That kind of hunting is very crazy.
joe rogan
That's one of those things where you go, we have these arbitrary rules as to what you can kill and what you can't kill, and it's very strange, but we all agree to them.
Like, we all agree it's okay to swat mosquitoes.
Nobody gets mad at you when you swat a mosquito.
Nobody gets mad at you when you swat a fly.
You kill a fly, But you kill a fly and nobody gives a shit.
You step on a roach.
Nobody gives a fuck about a roach.
But then you start moving up.
Can you stomp a mouse?
brendan schaub
Definitely not.
joe rogan
Definitely not.
If you stomp a mouse, you're a piece of shit.
unidentified
Syndrome.
joe rogan
But if you put a mouse in a mouse trap, hey, you're not doing the dirty work.
You're farming it out to some fucking mercenary spring setup.
Right?
Okay, what about rats?
You can't stomp a rat either.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Physically you can't.
What about a beaver?
No, you can't kick a beaver to death.
Okay.
I can't kick a beaver to death?
Alright, okay.
What level, when do we decide this?
What weird distinction do we make about what life we can consume?
cameron hanes
Society's kind of decided it.
joe rogan
Strange, right?
brendan schaub
Is it from Disney movies?
Because we make them so friendly?
You know what I'm saying?
Like Ratatouille, Bambi, you have all these animals.
cameron hanes
Bears are always friendly in movies.
brendan schaub
Always.
unidentified
- You wanna hear Crazy Conspiracy Theory? - Or The Reverend.
joe rogan
- Oh my god.
- Another one? - Another one, Eddie.
eddie bravo
- What if we were supposed to eat insects, but we were brainwashed into thinking they were gross?
Because if we ate insects, we wouldn't be on the tit.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, but it's definitely something that people are realizing, especially with crickets and grasshoppers.
brendan schaub
Grasshoppers and the roach milk.
joe rogan
Really, really healthy for you.
eddie bravo
Most people are brought up scared to death of them.
I'm scared to death of all that shit.
joe rogan
But that's because of bugs.
eddie bravo
What if we're supposed to eat all bugs?
joe rogan
I know a dude who has Lyme disease.
I was talking to this dude, that kid that we were hanging out with.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was talking about Lyme disease, and he was saying that he got bit by a tick, and I know four people that have gotten Lyme disease from ticks, and you get bit by these fucking ticks, and it fucks with your immune system.
brendan schaub
I thought that was the only way to get it.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure that is the only way to get it.
eddie bravo
We were talking about eating bugs.
joe rogan
How did we get there?
Because people are scared of bugs.
unidentified
Show me the transition.
joe rogan
Because bugs transmit horrible diseases that ruin your life.
Ticks in particular transmit horrible diseases.
If you thought the Black Plague was from rats, it wasn't really from rats.
It was from what the rats were carrying them.
They were carrying some sort of mites or bacteria or some bugs or some shit.
What was the Black Plague?
I'm pretty sure of this, that it came off of things that lived on the rats.
It wasn't necessarily the rats themselves.
brendan schaub
And also, insects kill more humans than any other animal in the world.
eddie bravo
Did you know black widows are like Viagra?
joe rogan
Here it is.
The black plague caused by bacterium.
Pesticides that circulates among the wild rodents.
So it was a bacteria.
It was some sort of a disease that lived on the rodents.
It was a bug.
It's a fucking bug.
There's a million bugs that can poison you.
cameron hanes
Think about it.
Have you ever tried to just grab a grasshopper?
It's weird.
It tries to jump and you want to let it go.
It's kind of scary.
eddie bravo
Generation after generation.
What if we were like fucking really good at insects and shit?
joe rogan
Well, we used to be, man.
Have you ever talked to anybody who is like a bug catcher or a moth catcher or someone who collects butterflies?
They say that there's a thrill that people get when you catch a rare bug, and you catch it in your net, that goes DNA deep.
Because at one point in time, humans, or our ancestors, used to be insectivores.
So the people that are like bug catchers, they want to glue them on boards and shit, and study all the different... Yeah, they're about to pin through them.
It's a life form that you're allowed to capture because they only live like a week anyway.
And so you're allowed to have these, you're a trophy hunter for butterflies.
You're allowed to be a, but you're like, you're a person who's an, you know, you're a, you're studying, you're studying these animals.
brendan schaub
But you're still killing them.
joe rogan
But they're going to die anyway.
Some of them just die.
cameron hanes
Right.
But cavemen didn't have drawings on the cave wall of spearing a grasshopper.
joe rogan
No.
cameron hanes
It was woolly mammoth.
eddie bravo
That's good meeting lines right there.
You could start off a conversation with that shit.
brendan schaub
Just because I don't know anything about hunting, but when you go to Africa to hunt that dangerous game, what's the point?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what would be the point of flying to Africa to hunt that stuff?
eddie bravo
Hey, don't question that shit, okay?
cameron hanes
No, it's a... I mean, for me, it's a challenge.
It's new countries, new culture, it's experiencing new things.
brendan schaub
But like, you don't eat the hippo meat, right?
Or do you?
cameron hanes
No.
Well, the hippo meat, there's tons of hippos over there.
brendan schaub
You've killed a hippo?
cameron hanes
No, I haven't.
eddie bravo
Damn!
cameron hanes
No, I haven't.
joe rogan
Do hippos scare?
eddie bravo
If you killed a hippo, would you put the meat in a freezer and ship it back?
joe rogan
Apparently, they say hippo tastes good.
You can eat hippo.
Rhinos supposedly taste good, too.
cameron hanes
Here's how it works over there.
eddie bravo
Don't fucking taste the rhino!
cameron hanes
Here's how it works.
eddie bravo
Only a few people on the planet.
joe rogan
I can tell you a dude, a dude named Corey Knowlton, he was on the podcast.
eddie bravo
Is he white?
joe rogan
He's a famous guy who went over to Africa and paid something like $250,000.
unidentified
$350,000.
joe rogan
To eat hippos?
Yeah, to kill a rhino.
He shot this black rhino that was, it was a male rhino that was too old to breed and it was killing other rhinos.
eddie bravo
Is this hippo a threat to this boat?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
So over there, hippo's crazy powerful.
cameron hanes
In Tanzania.
joe rogan
You can't get bit by a hippo.
brendan schaub
We got two conversations going on.
eddie bravo
When you see a hippo, step on it.
cameron hanes
Definitely.
So in Tanzania, here's how dire it is over there.
All they want is protein.
So whatever you kill... Who's they?
eddie bravo
The Africans?
cameron hanes
Yeah, the people that live in Tanzania.
eddie bravo
I don't know if that's Australian or African.
joe rogan
No, Tanzania is Africa.
cameron hanes
Here's an example.
We were over there hunting, and there was Tanzanians there.
eddie bravo
What were you hunting?
cameron hanes
I was hunting kudu, lion, buffalo.
brendan schaub
Monkeys?
Did you see any lions?
eddie bravo
Baboons, for real?
cameron hanes
Yeah, I never got shot at a lion.
eddie bravo
Have you ever killed a baboon?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh my God.
joe rogan
See the lion thing, Cam, is where people get pissed off, right?
eddie bravo
How did you kill him?
You just shot him like he was hanging out?
And you just, fuck!
Where did it land?
cameron hanes
You killed a baboon?
Baboons tear stuff up.
Baboons actually will go into... So they live in grass huts over there.
They've been known to go in there and like bite on babies' heads.
unidentified
Jesus.
eddie bravo
I would kill those motherfuckers.
cameron hanes
Their fangs are this long.
A baboon is nasty.
brendan schaub
So do you shoot it on spot?
eddie bravo
I'm with you.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Oh wow.
eddie bravo
I'll fuck a baboon up.
brendan schaub
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
So anyway, the baboon is like a monkey fucked a dog.
cameron hanes
There's poachers over there.
eddie bravo
They're a big problem.
cameron hanes
That will risk.
eddie bravo
With babies, right?
joe rogan
You have a baby.
eddie bravo
They might get eaten by a baboon before they drown.
cameron hanes
The poachers over there is like, when you would see a poacher with a gun, it was almost like whoever could shoot first.
They wanted to shoot at you.
eddie bravo
We had a... Wait, who wanted to shoot you?
joe rogan
Poachers.
brendan schaub
Poachers.
eddie bravo
They wanted to shoot you?
unidentified
Yeah.
cameron hanes
Why?
brendan schaub
They don't know who you are.
They don't know your credentials.
cameron hanes
Because they were getting caught poaching.
Right?
And so it's almost like the Wild West.
eddie bravo
Goddamn!
cameron hanes
Yeah, and all they're trying to get is meat.
eddie bravo
Okay.
brendan schaub
They say, okay, meat, meat, good!
cameron hanes
They want protein.
So they would go, they'd go into the land they're not supposed to be on.
eddie bravo
How do they know you're cool?
brendan schaub
What is that process?
eddie bravo
They don't.
cameron hanes
They don't.
eddie bravo
You go like this, right?
You go like this?
cameron hanes
No.
eddie bravo
You don't do this?
No, because... They point the gun at you, and you don't do this?
cameron hanes
They're not supposed to be there.
brendan schaub
So what happens then?
eddie bravo
What's the situation?
brendan schaub
Do you point a gun at them and they go like this?
Let him answer, Don.
cameron hanes
The first experience that we had is I saw this guy.
He was crossed, I don't know, 150 yards away.
And the guy I was with is who I was hunting with.
His name was Ryan.
And I said, I see a man.
And he goes, where?
I said, there's a man right there.
You know, he was a black guy.
He had all brown stuff on.
That's racist.
And I said, I go, he's got a gun.
And he goes, get behind this tree.
And I said, are we going to get shot?
He goes, just stay behind the tree.
And so the guy circled around and came.
He was 150 yards away then and he came to 50 yards and he's standing there staring with his gun.
And he said he's a poacher.
The guy always said he's a poacher.
This guy never talked.
Finally, he melted back into the trees, and I was standing there, and I said, I see two more guys up in the rocks.
And they were hiding in the rocks, and they took off running.
So I went up to their camp, and they had all this, you know, the witch doctor told them, if you put powder on your wrist, So that guy probably thought he was invisible because the witch doctor of the village told him.
brendan schaub
You went to their camp?
eddie bravo
You didn't go back to your goddamn car and take the fuck off?
cameron hanes
No.
eddie bravo
You went to the camp?
cameron hanes
Yeah, to the camp, and I got all their stuff.
And the reason why he didn't shoot at 150 yards is because they don't have any ammo.
So they have a rifle, but they have to make it into a firearm, essentially.
So they have to stuff ball bearings down there.
brendan schaub
That's so old school.
cameron hanes
Yeah, firing pin.
brendan schaub
You're in the Civil War, and you're fucking... Right, gunpowder.
cameron hanes
So they have to be, say, 40 yards away.
And he got that close and saw the guy, Ryan, who I was with, had a high-powered rifle with a scope, and he's like, well, I'm outgunned here.
It's what he's thinking I'm assuming and he took off then the guys he's with took off and all they had they had Burlap sacks with wire harnesses to put over there like a back straps Burlap sack yeah the burlap sack races Yeah, exactly.
And so they would kill an animal, they'd poach it, they'd cut the meat off, they'd hang it on branches or rope and dry it out, and then they'd take that meat, which they just call protein, and put it in the burlap sack, take it, hike all the way back to the village and sell it.
eddie bravo
And what do they leave?
The head and everything?
cameron hanes
Yeah, just bones, you know, which you can't eat.
So anyway, that's, when you talk about killing animals, they will gladly take the animals you kill.
You know what I mean?
And as far as for hunting goes, you say, well, why would you want to go?
I mentioned why I'd go, but it also is the only economy they have over there.
You know, in Tanzania.
Monkey meat?
What?
brendan schaub
Monkey meat?
cameron hanes
They would need that.
unidentified
No, some of them do though.
eddie bravo
You said something is the only economy they have out there.
brendan schaub
Hunting.
eddie bravo
Hunting.
cameron hanes
People would call it trophy money, but it's just, it's just hunters from abroad going there and, and putting money in the economy.
brendan schaub
And that's the ultimate challenge.
Is that why you go with it?
Cause the ultimate challenge?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
I mean, you know, to kill a Cape Buffalo with a bow and arrow.
brendan schaub
Bad stuff.
Yeah.
cameron hanes
Tough.
They call them black death.
brendan schaub
Why?
cameron hanes
They kill people.
brendan schaub
Damn.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
They're nasty.
eddie bravo
So you, are you, you, you know, hunters that have died?
cameron hanes
Um, I don't know personally any, I mean, I have friends that have died, not over there, but hunting.
eddie bravo
They've died hunting?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
cameron hanes
How?
I fell off a cliff.
That was my buddy right here, Roy.
He was sheep hunting.
brendan schaub
Sheep hunting?
cameron hanes
Yeah, he was hunting doll sheep up in Alaska.
When I talk about the challenge, that's why we do it.
We get up in the cliffs where those sheep live and he's with the bow and arrow.
One false step up there and that could be your last.
That's what happened to him a year ago, October 4th.
brendan schaub
Damn, that sucks, man.
cameron hanes
So, but that's, you know, when we talk about, you know, you want to hunt black death, you want to hunt sheep in the mountains, there's an inherent risk in doing that.
And we understand that.
And that's part of the journey.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing to be a person aware of all the things that you need to consume to stay alive.
eddie bravo
I'm gonna stick with you guys when shit goes down.
Can I have your number?
unidentified
I got Tony Ferguson, I got Joe Rogan, now I got you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I'm not fucking around.
I'm thinking about my family.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I hear you, dude.
eddie bravo
I hear you, dude.
Damn.
All I want is a job at your secret service.
You run shit?
joe rogan
I hear you, brother.
I told you, you're my Dana White.
eddie bravo
You need me?
You need me to choke anybody out?
joe rogan
All right.
Beautiful.
eddie bravo
Or just build my house, make my food, go hunt for me, and anybody?
I'll be your secret service.
You too.
joe rogan
And you get to help plan.
I'll fucking move like this shit.
Eddie is so paranoid, if I had him as head of security, no motherfucker would get in, ever.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't trust anybody.
eddie bravo
I wouldn't trust anybody.
He would double...
joe rogan
Cross his own teeth.
eddie bravo
He's a criminal?
Let's really check into everything he says.
Trump government.
Everybody agrees that they're criminals.
Let's check into everything they say.
brendan schaub
That's what Trump wants to do.
eddie bravo
Let's look into what the fuck they're really saying.
What's wrong with that?
Oh no, let's just believe what they're saying.
brendan schaub
I got one more question for Cam and then you guys can talk conspiracies.
eddie bravo
No, no, no more conspiracies.
brendan schaub
Just because I've never been a hunter, I've never been around hunting.
You grew up hunting?
Like as a kid?
cameron hanes
Um, no.
You know, my dad didn't hunt.
He was an athlete.
eddie bravo
Fucking pussy.
unidentified
Yeah.
cameron hanes
So he didn't hunt.
I don't know.
Just wasn't part of it.
So my mom and dad got divorced.
My stepdad got me started in hunting when I was 15 years old.
So that's when I started.
brendan schaub
So yeah, so it's not like you grew up being around it.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
Damn, that's nuts.
cameron hanes
No.
So then my buddy Roy, who died, he introduced me to bowhunting when I was 18.
And then that's all I've done since then.
eddie bravo
Do you feel the rush is that no matter what the fuck goes down, you're going to be able to eat?
cameron hanes
Oh yeah, no, no.
You feel that rush, right?
You feel that?
Hunting has given me confidence in all aspects of life because I've overcome so much out, you know, in the mountains.
eddie bravo
You know that you guys can go out, shit went down, you went out to some stream in Colorado, you're going to find some truth, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
eddie bravo
Okay, I trust you, so I'm going to be right by your side.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, here's the reality of a day like today.
It's 86 degrees.
If there's nothing going on, if we don't have any refrigeration, we're kind of fucked.
Because food's not going to last.
So you're going to have to get it on a regular basis.
You're going to have to dry shit out.
You're going to have to have vegetables.
cameron hanes
Just like the Africans in Tanzania.
They dry that meat out.
joe rogan
Or just like the settlers did when they first came here at the turn of the century.
I trust you guys.
Well, they decimated the animal populations across the country.
I'm reading that Dan Flores book about coyotes in America.
You're reading a book about coyotes?
Dude, it's fucking incredible.
It's incredible.
When you find out what they did to... The coyotes?
Well, what they did to all the animals across the United States.
After the war, a bunch of people... Which war was it?
The Spanish-American War?
Which war was it?
cameron hanes
It should have been, yeah.
joe rogan
Spanish-American War.
Post that, these soldiers came back and they needed a way to make a living, and one of the things they did was what they called market hunting.
They'd go across the country just shooting shit for stores.
And they had to shoot shit all the time.
unidentified
For what?
joe rogan
For stores!
For meat!
cameron hanes
To sell.
joe rogan
To sell.
For meat!
Like, people had domesticated some animals, but there was also a lot of money in just shooting animals and getting the meat out of them.
eddie bravo
Where'd you get this information?
From the library?
joe rogan
Dude, this is all from Dan Flores' book.
He's a professor.
No, no, no.
Dan Flores is a professor, and he used to be Steve Rinella's professor, and he was in some sort of a natural history class, I believe it was.
Anyway, he's like a wildlife historian, so he understands the history of wildlife in this country, and he's like a Yeah.
to the latest information as far as like what animals evolved here and where they spread out where they came back.
It's fascinating shit.
So he was on Rinello's podcast and he was talking about how they just went across the country just wiping out antelope, just wiping them out, just wiping out buffalo, wiping them out.
And they just take that meat and sell it to market and they just killed everything.
cameron hanes
Well, was it a part of it is because it had to be fresh all the time basically because You know, it's no different than a mountain lion killing every three days.
They like to eat fresh meat.
eddie bravo
In their defense, they didn't know they were going to kill all the goddamn animals.
They probably thought it was going to last forever.
joe rogan
They probably didn't have a good, accurate account of them, that's for sure.
eddie bravo
They just got a family, they're trying to make some fucking money.
cameron hanes
Nowadays, there's a conservation mindset.
So we have the ability to look at numbers, we look at carrying capacity for the land.
eddie bravo
What's your dream kill?
joe rogan
It's like a dream date.
eddie bravo
It's a dream kill.
Come on, you know you got one.
There's got to be something that you want to kill before you die.
cameron hanes
Well, no, I mean... A human?
No, I'm kidding.
I like elk hunting.
If I only could hunt elk or one animal the rest of my life, it'd be elk, and that's what we just got done doing.
eddie bravo
What if you started harpooning fish and shit?
None of that stuff.
cameron hanes
No, not into that.
I'm into bow hunting.
eddie bravo
Sailfish?
joe rogan
He's a specialist.
eddie bravo
Okay, so the ultimate's an elk.
What about you?
joe rogan
It's the same.
No, elk's the best.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, because you want to be able to eat it.
joe rogan
You wanna be able to eat it.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
eddie bravo
And you put it in the cabin?
unidentified
Everything.
joe rogan
In front of the fire.
eddie bravo
Either it's on the fucking wall or on the floor.
cameron hanes
It's everywhere.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
The first one you gotta fucking use everything.
The second one you're like, I already got a goddamn rug.
unidentified
The second one, you just save the head.
Boom!
cameron hanes
Keep it all.
Keep it all off everyone.
joe rogan
You're so right!
eddie bravo
Oh wait a minute, you sell.
You can always sell.
joe rogan
No, you can't actually.
But you're so right.
That's how people do it.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine you kill a bear?
Put it on your Instagram.
unidentified
Boom!
That's 6,000.
cameron hanes
I can't imagine that.
I've done that many times.
eddie bravo
Oh you have?
joe rogan
People get real mad.
That's where the dead body fuck party came from.
eddie bravo
I thought it was my idea.
brendan schaub
You get a ton of hate on Instagram when you post haunting shit, right?
cameron hanes
Jamie, show Eddie that bear paw.
On my Instagram.
eddie bravo
What's the biggest bear you killed?
Polar bear?
cameron hanes
No, it's a brown bear.
It's 9'6".
I don't think you can kill polar bears.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can.
eddie bravo
You can put your mind into it, and you say, fuck it.
I'm going to fucking evolve.
We're going to do the snow.
We're going to fucking break new ground.
brendan schaub
We're going to break new ground.
eddie bravo
That's fake.
brendan schaub
It's photoshopped.
Dude, that's not real.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
eddie bravo
No way is that real!
Look at that fucking paw.
brendan schaub
Where'd you catch him slipping at?
eddie bravo
No way.
cameron hanes
That was up in Alaska.
brendan schaub
Which app did you use?
joe rogan
Which app did you use?
brendan schaub
Fuck, man.
One boner, it killed him?
unidentified
One shot.
eddie bravo
No way that's real.
brendan schaub
Where'd you hit him at?
cameron hanes
Right in the lungs.
brendan schaub
Damn!
eddie bravo
One shot!
It's an optical illusion, you know, you hold it so close to the camera it appears big, but your head, because your head, because that looks, that looks like it's nine feet tall.
cameron hanes
Well, it's an enormous bear.
Listen, that bear was nine foot six inches.
unidentified
What?!
Shit.
eddie bravo
I was right, see?
I told you.
brendan schaub
And was the meat good?
Was the bear meat?
cameron hanes
The meat's not very good on those.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
You can get really sick if you don't well cook bear meat, right?
You get really sick.
joe rogan
But it's also, they have a different taste.
cameron hanes
It's called trichinosis.
eddie bravo
How many times did you have to hit it?
cameron hanes
Just one arrow.
eddie bravo
In the head?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
Where?
cameron hanes
No, right in the heart.
The lungs.
eddie bravo
The lungs.
cameron hanes
You take out the lungs.
brendan schaub
God damn, that was crazy.
eddie bravo
And then how long?
Two minutes?
Three minutes?
cameron hanes
No, um, let's see, that one was dead in about 30 seconds.
brendan schaub
What?
You didn't have to go up, go kneel on the belly on them and throw some old Vitor style kneel on the belly punches?
joe rogan
It's hard for people to imagine that you need to control the population of certain animals.
It's hard for people.
That's a weird one for people.
It's like you're not going to eat it, but you need to kill it?
Why do you guys need to kill it?
cameron hanes
I mentioned that today.
unidentified
It's a confusing conversation with these people.
eddie bravo
I love bears.
They're beautiful and all that shit.
But hey, you know what?
I don't mind it.
cameron hanes
Hey, why do you love bears?
eddie bravo
I love bears because of Yogi the bear in the cartoons.
I got brainwashed.
I got brainwashed as a kid.
But I don't want to be attacked by no goddamn bear.
So if that fear was eliminated 1000%, maybe more fucking Mexicans would go in the woods.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
Strong Mexican wood presence is not there.
brendan schaub
That's why we stay in the cities.
joe rogan
Well, bears are fucking legitimately scary.
I'm sure you saw that video that was going around just a couple of days ago of a guy who's a, he's a knife maker, right?
cameron hanes
Montana.
joe rogan
He was up in the woods and he got attacked by a mama bear and he got attacked twice.
He got away, he sprayed her with a bear spray, she still got a hold of him, he got away, and then he got away a second time.
brendan schaub
Is that the best way to get away from a beer?
Is that beer spray legit?
Because I was making fun of the guy.
And Callen's like, no, the beer spray's kind of legit.
eddie bravo
It's kind of legit.
joe rogan
It's kind of legit, but it doesn't work always.
It didn't work in this case.
eddie bravo
Is that you?
joe rogan
That's this guy.
eddie bravo
That's you.
brendan schaub
No, this is like last week, Eddie.
joe rogan
This guy, see his right ear?
His scalp is like shredded down to the bone right there.
It's like he's got a giant flap of ear.
eddie bravo
Is he a bear researcher?
cameron hanes
No, he's a hunter.
He was scouting for elk.
joe rogan
The bear bit his arm.
Look at that.
eddie bravo
How often does that happen?
Once a year?
cameron hanes
Yeah, probably.
eddie bravo
Once a year someone gets attacked by a bear.
cameron hanes
Yeah, I would say.
eddie bravo
That's a good number.
brendan schaub
Did you hear about that Boy Scout leader?
Where, you know, in Boy Scouts they tell you if you run into a bear, that yellow stone, he goes, if there's a bear, everyone lays down.
And they stumble upon a, you know, a fucking black bear, and he lays down, and all the other troops are watching, and the bear's like, look at this fucking idiot, and just ate him in front of the troops.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Was that on YouTube?
brendan schaub
It's on all over the internet.
eddie bravo
Prove it to me!
joe rogan
There's a real difference between the behavior of black bears and brown bears.
And what's really weird is that more black bears attack people as predators.
eddie bravo
That's racist!
joe rogan
Versus more brown bears attack people out of shock.
Like a brown bear, like what happened with this guy is what happens all the time.
You fuck up and you get near a mama with her cubs and she just rips you apart.
That's what happens to most of these guys.
But hold on a second, when they play dead, there's a different reaction than when a black bear gets you.
If a black bear gets you and you play dead, he might think you're dead and just start eating you.
unidentified
Ass first.
brendan schaub
Ass first, right Kim?
joe rogan
Well, the first was coyotes, I think.
unidentified
What you want to do is... White bears are the worst.
eddie bravo
The polar bears, they're the worst.
cameron hanes
That's racist.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Think about polar bears.
joe rogan
They are the worst.
eddie bravo
They're the worst.
joe rogan
But they're not here.
The thing is, they're clear.
cameron hanes
There's like five of them.
joe rogan
Polar bears is their hair is clear apparently.
Their skin is black.
Here's the thing.
How can you say their hair is clear?
I'm going back on what I just said.
unidentified
Clear?
joe rogan
How can you say their hair is clear when it's actually white?
eddie bravo
It's white.
But it's clear.
joe rogan
They say it's clear.
eddie bravo
Whatever.
You're Norwegian.
You're not Norwegian, you're white.
joe rogan
Okay?
I think they describe their hair as being clear.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what they say, I thought.
joe rogan
Explain what?
It's actually transparent.
See?
It holds no color.
It appears to be white because it reflects visual light.
unidentified
I've seen polar bear hide that was white.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'm confused.
brendan schaub
But also polar bears at the zoo, it's not going off white snow.
joe rogan
It's going off light.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're still white.
joe rogan
The fur is actually transparent and holds no color.
It only appears white because it reflects visible light.
cameron hanes
Then it would look like a jellyfish.
eddie bravo
Then it would look like the ocean!
Come on!
joe rogan
Okay, is that a technicality though?
No, that's just a test on how stupid people are.
Doesn't all color reflect visible light in some way, right?
brendan schaub
But the pigment, no.
joe rogan
Jamie, that's right, you're a photographer.
My cat's white, it's white.
eddie bravo
That's it, it's white.
jamie vernon
My brain's working weird on a rep, I'm pretty sure.
I think like black reflects or absorbs all light.
It's one of those two.
brendan schaub
Right, black absorbs.
unidentified
When it's in the ocean, it wouldn't look white then.
brendan schaub
Once it jumps in the water, why is it still white?
joe rogan
Do lights change color based on how much, or rather colors, rather change their hues based on how much light is there?
jamie vernon
A color is a frequency on the spectrum of light.
So you're seeing that frequency.
It's all there.
It's like technically our eyes are only seeing a certain gauge or level of that frequency.
Like hearing is the same thing.
It's also on a frequency.
All audio is a frequency.
You can only hear 20 hertz to 20,000 hertz.
Light is very similar.
It's not the same kind of hertz, the same kind of waves, but in a very similar way.
Like once you get to infrared, it's a way higher frequency than what we can actually see, and that's sort of what it's getting into saying here.
It's reflecting light that only we can see.
unidentified
It's a very fucked up version of it, or explanation, sorry.
eddie bravo
That's fucking legit, James.
brendan schaub
I'm proud of you.
eddie bravo
I think your new nickname is Jamie Ph.D.
That's it right there.
joe rogan
It's Young Jamie.
Young Jamie's smart as fuck.
eddie bravo
Jamie just threw down some Ph.D.
joe rogan
type shit.
He certainly did.
So all this stuff about their white skin, I'm not sure I understand it.
They're actually Mexican.
They have black skin, right?
Underneath all that.
I think they're really dark.
brendan schaub
They have black noses.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're actually, like, they have a dark body underneath all that stuff.
eddie bravo
They're like M&M.
joe rogan
It's a weird animal, man.
They're just up there jacking shit.
They don't have a single piece of vegetable.
brendan schaub
So you can't really kill a lot of polar bears, right?
Because there's not a ton of them.
You're not polar bear hunting.
eddie bravo
If a polar bear had to fight a grizzly bear, and I'm sure they've been on borders, where like every now and then, like, bitch, the snow's mine.
And like, bitch, the mountains are mine.
joe rogan
Look at this shit.
eddie bravo
Has there ever been a polar bear versus grizzly bear match?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Polar bears are so well insulated by inches of blubber and fur that their heat signature is nearly invisible through infrared photography.
Damn, young Jamie's on the ball.
eddie bravo
Damn, they got soundproof.
brendan schaub
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
They need to make fucking sound studios, like Kanye West is going to make a sound studio of bear blubber.
joe rogan
Dude, you can barely see them.
brendan schaub
Cam, did you think this is what you'd be getting into?
cameron hanes
It's all good.
joe rogan
He knew.
I told him.
brendan schaub
He knew what's up.
joe rogan
Give him a heads up.
It's like a lot of things in life.
You have to experience it.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
Once you experience it, you know, an actual fight companion, No, I was excited.
We don't know where these things go.
cameron hanes
I was excited to come.
joe rogan
They go, they go down the tracks, they take turns, they go through the woods, you gotta cover up, you're knocking over trees.
I apologize.
They get back out to the ocean.
brendan schaub
I might watch this one.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
It was awesome.
brendan schaub
It was fine, man.
joe rogan
Listen, these are awesome.
unidentified
I apologize.
joe rogan
It's part of what's beautiful about these things.
cameron hanes
There's nothing to be sorry for.
Everybody's used to it.
brendan schaub
Listen.
joe rogan
It's just what's fun about these things, is their chaos.
cameron hanes
I was excited to be involved, and I learned one thing.
I can't show favoritism.
joe rogan
I know you can.
It's important.
You gotta be open-minded.
cameron hanes
I didn't want Vitor or Dan.
joe rogan
You can do whatever you want, man.
I'm actually talking shit, and I'm talking at it through my perspective.
He can't.
brendan schaub
He's a commentator.
He can't show.
eddie bravo
You gotta keep the dialogue going, so if there's really nothing, the last resort is, I'm gonna talk shit on what you just fucking said, because I ain't got nothing else.
So you gotta keep it going.
That's what happens a lot, you're like, fuck, I'm sorry bro, it's for the show, we're gonna sacrifice you.
We're gonna sacrifice you.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, as a commentator, man, it's really hard to not have favoritism, like when one of your boys is fighting.
eddie bravo
You talk too much!
unidentified
You talk too much!
Shut up!
eddie bravo
You talk too much!
Bitch!
What the fuck are we supposed to do?
brendan schaub
Shut the fuck up.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine dead air?
If it was normal that there was six seconds, nine seconds of dead air pockets everywhere on the show.
Can you imagine if that was normal?
joe rogan
On this show?
eddie bravo
In any show, like, that was normal.
joe rogan
The podcast or UFC?
eddie bravo
Anything.
joe rogan
Anything.
eddie bravo
You gotta keep it going.
joe rogan
You gotta keep it going.
eddie bravo
And if you're the host, your name is on it, shit.
cameron hanes
Sometimes there's dead air on UFC.
eddie bravo
You're gonna cut people off.
You're gonna cut people off.
unidentified
There has to be.
eddie bravo
Because you gotta keep it going.
Like, bitch, we'll go back to your shit.
We got four hours.
We'll get back to your shit, but now that I got this shit, let me finish this, let me kill 20 minutes, and then we'll get back to your shit.
joe rogan
I think some fights it's important to give dead air.
You gotta figure out when to do it though, and I'm not always right.
I fuck it up a lot.
It's just because it's your ad-living.
Like if people complain about like Commentary on one way or another way.
I'm just trying to do my best.
And sometimes it's a slippery thing, like when people are fighting and crazy shit's going on.
You're passionate and also you might not recognize everything that's happening.
Things happen.
You're looking for patterns and striking, but you're also looking for someone slowing down.
There's a lot of shit you're looking for.
It's a weird gig.
brendan schaub
The crazy thing is that we talked about this years, years ago when you first started commentating for the UFC.
As a fantasy, wouldn't it be cool if somehow the owner of the UFC wanted you to be yourself?
eddie bravo
And wanted you to say whatever the fuck you wanted to say, just like this.
It was a fantasy!
And now it's happening.
brendan schaub
You can say whatever you want.
eddie bravo
We don't even have to talk about it.
brendan schaub
We're talking about this show, yeah.
eddie bravo
It's a beautiful thing.
What's happening right now?
Shit.
brendan schaub
No rules.
unidentified
It's true freestyle.
brendan schaub
We can't even bring in DiGiorno's or Domino's.
eddie bravo
This is free fucking style.
You know?
joe rogan
And here's another thing.
Friends who don't always agree on shit but still love each other have a great time hanging out and talking shit.
eddie bravo
I hate this motherfucker because he's trying to steal.
brendan schaub
We hate each other.
We hate each other.
eddie bravo
You know what, I know you don't want to admit it, but you're trying to steal him away from me.
I'm not going to let that happen, brother.
unidentified
I'm going to love you, but that's not happening.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
My point is that there's an illusion.
There's an illusion that a lot of people suffer under.
And that illusion is that someone has to think exactly like you for you to be their friend.
And I think that shit is so stupid.
Because there's a lot of people that have some crazy ideas and I love them to death.
I give them a hug every time I see them.
And I only talk to them about certain shit.
cameron hanes
Who wants to hang out with somebody exactly like them?
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people do, man.
A lot of people are scared of being themselves.
And so, because of that, they want to find some comfortable frequency.
It's like an accent that everyone in the neighborhood has.
It's a way of thinking and behaving that reinforces the idea that you're on the same team as everybody else.
It's a natural instinct that we have.
It's a tribal instinct.
brendan schaub
I give Eddie shit, but there's a couple of things he's sent me links to, and we've had long talks with legit stuff, especially when it comes to my kids.
joe rogan
There's a fucking spectrum.
There's a spectrum.
eddie bravo
People think, I know it's a beautiful thing that people think all this drama that's going on, but me and Brendan, we're not like Titan going out and having fucking lunch all the time, but let me tell you, I rarely go out to lunch with any friends or anything.
brendan schaub
I don't hang out with anybody.
eddie bravo
I have no time between all my schools.
It's just all my free time is my wife and my son.
Everything else is business.
My wife and my son, business.
brendan schaub
I don't hang out with anybody.
eddie bravo
So, I mean, Brendan, I fuckin' love Blanton.
I don't know how many times I said, to you personally, off camera, I said, that motherfucker, you too, when you guys go off on MMA, I've told him at least three times.
You guys have amazing chemistry because you guys remember fights.
I don't remember shit.
So when you started talking about this guy knocked out this guy three years ago, I just shut the fuck up because my brain don't work like that no more.
brendan schaub
I watch too many conspiracy theories.
eddie bravo
You guys are watching fights?
I'm watching the oil deception over and over again.
joe rogan
I'm going to be honest though.
I'm going to be honest, man.
When I talk to Shaab, when I talk to you, it elevates my thinking about past fights because I know you know so much about past fights.
So I know I'm talking to a dude who's on the same level as far as your history of pride fights.
brendan schaub
Not really.
eddie bravo
We're pretty close.
joe rogan
You guys are like fucking battling with swords and shit.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Pretty close.
But it's inspiring.
You know so much about it that I have to remember shit.
eddie bravo
What's your system?
How do you stay so sharp?
Because I know you stay sharp.
You've got work ethic when it comes to being on top of the UFC and what's going on.
And I know you've got work ethic.
I know you said before you go to bed you have to watch some fights, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I like to watch fights before I go to bed.
cameron hanes
But it's just because you guys like it, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I just like it so I stay up on it and I go on.
eddie bravo
When do you watch the fights?
When do you memorize the shit?
brendan schaub
You know what I've been doing a lot, man?
I've been watching a lot of Muay Thai, man.
A lot of Muay Thai.
joe rogan
You know what I've been doing a lot, man?
I've been watching a lot of Muay Thai, man.
A lot of Muay Thai. - Dude, that's how I am with boxing.
eddie bravo
I'm obsessed with boxing. - You know me, I barely can keep up with MMA and UFC.
So I don't have time for kickboxing and boxing, but in Big Bear, Triple G, I got a taste of that motherfucker.
brendan schaub
I like him.
eddie bravo
All of a sudden, I got a little foot in the door in boxing.
But I also, while I was up in Big Bear, we're fucking just chilling, making sure our seizures don't act up, like all night.
And we put on The Best of Glory.
The Best of Glory?
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
Get on UFC Fight Pass and watch the, they'll go through, there's a documentary.
joe rogan
Man, they hit, Fucking hard, holy shit Listen man, I'm good I'm so glad you brought that up because I was actually gonna ask you guys if you want to do this Those guys are a fight companion for glory when there's glory glory Denver and it's on October 21st And it's in Denver.
Is that a Saturday?
I think it's Nikki Holtzkin is rematching Murtho Groenhaal.
Is that who it is?
eddie bravo
You said October what?
joe rogan
Oh, I'll tell you again.
But I was thinking it'd be fun to do that.
The 21st of October.
eddie bravo
Friday.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
21st of October?
He's fighting Groenhardt, who's a bad motherfucker.
They had a really close fight the first time.
Really close.
Varga vs. Roosmalen.
Roosmalen's also been- So the 24th of October?
unidentified
21st.
Oh, sorry.
21st.
joe rogan
Sorry.
And, uh, but Nikki Holtzkin is a bad motherfucker, dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Nikki Holtzkin's a monster.
eddie bravo
I'm gonna be, 21st of October, I'm gonna be in, uh, Springfield.
joe rogan
Damn it.
eddie bravo
Oregon.
joe rogan
Growing hearts is a bad motherfucker, too.
eddie bravo
10th planet, Springfield, in the house.
joe rogan
You know who we need to get in, if you can?
We need to get Joe Schilling in for that one.
Right?
eddie bravo
Yeah, that, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Because Joe was fighting for glory for a long time.
eddie bravo
In that highlight, they showed that fight that we saw at the forum, when we were there live, where they went into overtime, and they did the extra rounds, and he fucking knocked out that dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was amazing.
Last man standing.
cameron hanes
Hey, do you want to do some more mountain running on October 21st?
In Springfield?
joe rogan
He just had a disc replaced in his back, a pretty significant back operation.
eddie bravo
I've enrolled Jiu Jitsu in over four months now.
I just had major back surgery, so I think I might take off the rest of the year, just to be sure.
brendan schaub
Safe, smart.
Just to be sure.
eddie bravo
Because when the doctor tells me, you know, I was on You know, you can either get fusion on your disc, which is last resort, we just gotta fuckin' screw everything together, or we could put a disc in.
There's people that are qualified for the disc, and if you don't qualify for that disc, they're like, you know what, your shit's so fucked up, you gotta fuckin' lock all that shit up with screws.
So I was on the fence.
So the doctor would sit me down and say, what does this jujitsu do?
Are people picking you up and slamming you?
I'm like, no, I'm not really getting slammed.
brendan schaub
Hopefully not.
eddie bravo
Are you, are you, are they picking you up?
Is there impact?
And the fact that he was asking this question, I was like, no, no, no.
It's like, dude, I fucking pull a quarter guard and just clinch on motherfuckers That ain't impacting my roles ever, dude.
brendan schaub
Do you have any back issues, Kim?
All that running and hiking shit?
Because that's the only thing that tightens me up is when I run.
I love running, but that's what tightens my back.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
You're pretty big.
You know, that makes a difference on running for the pounding.
So it's tougher on your body.
brendan schaub
But with all the hunting or anything, you haven't had any injuries or knee problems?
Nothing?
joe rogan
No.
Damn, man.
What's a really big guy for a 100 mile?
Is it anybody?
Who's been the biggest guy?
cameron hanes
Nobody's ever over 180.
Really?
brendan schaub
So I can't do it?
joe rogan
I can't make it?
I can't do it?
unidentified
You can do it.
joe rogan
I was going to talk about it earlier when we were talking about Stefan's truth.
I was thinking, there's only like a certain amount of blood that that guy can get to his body, right?
He's got so much body to deal with.
His cardio can't be as good as a Mighty Mouse.
It's just so big.
brendan schaub
Not physically, yeah.
joe rogan
It's just so much blood has to keep pumping to fuel that big, giant-ass body.
brendan schaub
I would love to do it.
I run 14 miles a week.
And for a bigger guy, I love to run.
eddie bravo
His size might not have anything to do with a UFC fight, though.
Maybe if he was had to survive the apocalypse, he would see the difference.
But I don't think you'd see the difference.
Just because he's 7 foot, that he's going to have shitty cardio?
joe rogan
No, I'm just saying that when you're 265, I think there's a magic number, and I think a lot of guys agree with this, and it's around where Stipe Miocik is, it's around where Cain Velasquez is, it's that 240 number.
It seems like 240 is as heavy as you want to get because you can handle a guy that's 265, because that 25-pound differential, although it seems like a big difference, if the skill's better, it plays itself out.
Because the 25-pound differential, that guy, that 265-pound guy, or bigger at cutting down to it, has such a giant reservoir that he needs to fill.
brendan schaub
And they're also slower.
cameron hanes
They're slower, but if you're a 240 and you've got Brock Lesnar, that's not good.
joe rogan
That's not true, because that's what Cain Velasquez did to him.
He worked him.
Brock took him down, he got right back up, and Brock got tired, and Kane did not, and Kane started beating on him with perfect striking.
unidentified
Just perfect.
joe rogan
Pop, pop, pop.
And Brock was like, oh shit, I'm in deep fucking trouble.
And he took him down and beat him up.
It was a brutal fight, and an excellent example of how a 240 pound fighter might be a better deal.
brendan schaub
That's why he could argue too that Kane's a better fighter.
cameron hanes
But that's fighter, that's, I mean that could be a fighting style Man versus man, too.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, you have to put it up, you have to put it up that Cain Velasquez has extraordinary cardio.
For heavyweight, his cardio is one of the biggest weapons he has.
cameron hanes
And skill.
brendan schaub
If not the biggest.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Skill, great technique with striking and with wrestling, but almost more importantly, championship mindset.
Like 100% confidence in himself.
And cardio that's just like superhuman.
brendan schaub
So he has a championship mindset, he has the heart like no one else, and then he has cardio.
joe rogan
This is how fucking hard MMA is.
Even that guy lost.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
It's not crazy.
joe rogan
Come on, man!
Even that guy can have a day where he just, like when he fought Fabrizio Verdum or JDS.
cameron hanes
That's why some of these best guys have ten losses.
brendan schaub
Yep, exactly.
joe rogan
Look, man, in my opinion, I mean, Kane is not done.
His career is not done.
But when it all goes down, you have to look at him in his prime and go, that is one of the very best examples of a heavyweight fighter we've ever seen, if not the best.
brendan schaub
I think he's top two, if not number one, for sure.
I'm 100% with you.
See, I think he could be number one.
joe rogan
But it might be Fedor.
brendan schaub
See, you could toss Verdum in there with that argument.
joe rogan
You could toss Verdum in there.
You could toss Verdum in there.
It's true.
On accomplishments, on paper, you have to look at Verdum.
brendan schaub
But I think Kane, most likely, obviously just my educated opinion, I think he's the best matchup to beat Stipe.
With skill sets.
If he does get through Verdum, and then he gets Stipe, it's a tough matchup for Stipe if you look at it on paper.
joe rogan
If they fight the way he fought... I mean, here's the thing.
Kane's been through some wars with Junior.
For sure.
brendan schaub
Stipe's been through wars.
joe rogan
He has.
And Stipe went through a war with Junior.
But the difference between Stipe's war with Junior, and I know MMA math doesn't really work this way.
You can't look at one guy and go, just because one guy beat one guy, he's going to beat the other guy.
It doesn't work like that.
But if they fight in the same way that Stipe fought Junior Dos Santos, you've got to think that Kane can keep a pace that's ahead of where JDS was.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
And Stipe and him.
It was a very close fight between him and JDS.
brendan schaub
Super close.
joe rogan
Him hitting that high level upper echelon of the heavyweight division for the first time as well, other than the Strew fight.
So I think, I don't know man, I think that Kane is a nightmare for anybody if he's healthy.
brendan schaub
I just think if Kane comes back and becomes champion and beats Stipe, he's the best heavyweight of all time.
And there's a good probability he's going to do that.
He has to get through for doing Stipe, but it's a nightmare.
joe rogan
That's boxing, sir.
eddie bravo
But what if he did MMA?
joe rogan
Oh boy, he would get taken down and smushed.
eddie bravo
You think so?
joe rogan
He'd get fucked up.
He'd get taken down and smushed.
Dudes who don't know how to wrestle, you can't start at 35 and compete at that level.
If you don't actually know something, if a guy knows something... The top heavyweight boxers, Klitschko, Andrew Joshua... No, no, Klitschko's not the top.
eddie bravo
All those guys would get destroyed in the UFC.
brendan schaub
Not if they started in MMA, though.
joe rogan
They would get fucked up by a lot of high-level kickboxers.
eddie bravo
Right now, they decided to do it.
joe rogan
Do they get fucked up by Riko Verhoeven?
Forget about MMA.
Just kickboxers.
A guy like Riko Verhoeven will fuck up a lot of boxers.
brendan schaub
They wouldn't touch him.
joe rogan
He'd kick their legs out.
He'd be way on the outside.
eddie bravo
So kickboxers are more prepared for MMA than boxers?
joe rogan
No, what I'm saying is that boxers right now, them getting into MMA, they can't even get through the top kickboxers.
eddie bravo
So what I'm saying is the top kickboxers are more prepared to go into MMA than boxers?
joe rogan
Not necessarily.
Because those guys get taken down.
Everybody gets taken down.
So when they get taken down, you know as well as anybody does, they're fucked.
brendan schaub
They're all fucked.
joe rogan
But the difference between boxing, like the best boxers, their hands are without a doubt better than the best kickboxers.
But, they don't have to be that good with their hands, because they got all these other tools.
So they might have one skill that's like maybe, I would say like the max of the best kickboxers, like 70% of the hands of a world championship boxer.
Right?
If you want to look at like a Roberto Duran in his prime.
Who the fuck punches like that in MMA?
Right?
No one.
Yeah, kickboxing.
eddie bravo
There's a gang of guys.
unidentified
Not even guys today?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
Are you talking about mythical shit?
joe rogan
I don't think you can get there.
I don't think you can get there.
I think to be at a Sugar Ray Leonard.
eddie bravo
Maybe Robby Lawler is just as good as Roberto Duran.
Maybe he is.
unidentified
No, because he gets to do knees and elbows and takedowns.
joe rogan
I mean, look, Robby Lawler is a fucking savage and I would never compare him unfavorably to anybody because he's one of my all-time favorites.
unidentified
Maybe Conor McGregor is just as good as... You're saying he'd be focused on boxing solely?
joe rogan
If he focused on boxing solely, he'd have a point.
eddie bravo
If Conor McGregor fought right now, fought in his prime, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Conor McGregor, who would win?
joe rogan
In boxing?
eddie bravo
In boxing.
joe rogan
Dude, do you have any idea?
That would look very similar to you having a fight with Sugar Ray Leonard.
eddie bravo
What about kickboxing?
What about in kickboxing?
If they fought kickboxing?
joe rogan
Conor would fuck him up.
eddie bravo
Did you say me?
joe rogan
Conor would fuck him up.
I mean, you don't box.
eddie bravo
Dude, I did Boy Scouts for two years.
I did Karate for one year, I did Cast Magda, which is a Danny Anasano system, for two and a half fucking years!
brendan schaub
Did you hear what I just said?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Obviously Conor's got really good hands.
He's obviously got lethal power in his punches.
He'll carry that, somewhat, in boxing.
But Sugar Ray Leonard, if you watch his fights, like when he was in his prime, when he knocked out Tommy Hearns that 13th round after Angelo Dundee came back and said, you're blowing it, kid!
And he went out there and put it to Tommy Hearns.
brendan schaub
Dude, come on man.
I'm not going to mention names, but I've seen some world champions, high level UFC guys fight mediocre boxers and just sparring and just boxing sparring.
eddie bravo
I think that's nostalgia.
brendan schaub
And they get dismantled.
joe rogan
How about when he lit up Floyd Mayweather's dad?
eddie bravo
Times are different now.
joe rogan
Floyd Mayweather Senior.
Floyd Mayweather Senior fought Sugar Ray Lent.
Floyd Mayweather Senior was a world class boxer.
brendan schaub
Amazing.
His uncle's too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Roger Mayweather.
brendan schaub
Both of them.
joe rogan
Black Mamba.
Bad motherfucker.
Bad motherfucker.
Lethal right hand.
brendan schaub
He's the one that started coming out in the Mexican gear.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
He's the one that started that.
But his dad fought Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime, and he hung in with him for a little while.
But eventually Sugar Ray got him.
Sugar Ray, like, at his very best.
eddie bravo
How about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Hagler?
You know that shit?
That's the shit that's going on right now all around us, and we won't realize that for 30 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're right.
You're 100% right.
eddie bravo
We're in the Marvin Hagler-Thomas.
We're living it, but it's so new to us.
joe rogan
You don't really know it.
eddie bravo
It's like music.
joe rogan
But there's like 10 Marvin Haglers now.
And there's 10 Tommy Hearns.
You can't look them up anywhere.
In MMA, there's so many good fights.
And then on top of that, we have the boxing fights too.
Well, the boxing fights are exciting, too.
brendan schaub
Like, Triple G's one of the best of all time.
Truxta Cito might be the best of all time.
eddie bravo
Come on, the young kids are not into boxing.
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
That's not true.
joe rogan
A lot of kids are into boxing, man.
eddie bravo
First of all, HBO.
joe rogan
HBO Boxing.
Who's getting them into it?
eddie bravo
Canelo Alvarez is a hero amongst your people.
joe rogan
Your people love Canelo.
Why don't you?
eddie bravo
Mexicans.
joe rogan
He's a compatriot.
He's a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
You know what?
joe rogan
Goddamn, he punches hard.
brendan schaub
Who's a bad motherfucker?
joe rogan
Canelo.
brendan schaub
Key is the Under Armour guy.
joe rogan
Goddamn, he hits hard.
brendan schaub
So you're an Under Armour guy?
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
He showed you his shoes.
It says Key Pameron.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
Remember?
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
No, I remember, but I didn't know you had a deal with him.
joe rogan
No more pot for you.
brendan schaub
It's like The Rock, you, and fucking Canelo.
I thought they maybe just made one pair.
cameron hanes
These are for the race.
eddie bravo
We need to find that guy.
joe rogan
Hold on, we can't have two conversations at the same time.
eddie bravo
Jamie, let's find the baddest motherfucker from Turkish oil wrestling and let's blow him up.
Let's give him some fucking press time.
brendan schaub
Show the wolf one.
When I Instagramed that you were coming on the show, my boy Cody Donovan goes, that guy's my hero.
I was like, really?
He's like, yeah, I guess hunting.
You're the Mickey Mantle.
What city do you live in?
eddie bravo
Do you live in Santa California?
joe rogan
Don't give out your actual address.
brendan schaub
Yeah, don't do that.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's right.
You live in a cabin or a regular house?
cameron hanes
Regular house.
eddie bravo
Just a regular house?
Like in a regular shape?
joe rogan
A cabin.
unidentified
Do you have like a shed where you keep all the dead deer?
cameron hanes
Yeah, there's dead deer in there.
eddie bravo
In the shed?
cameron hanes
No, in the house.
unidentified
What do you do with the flies, bro?
eddie bravo
What is that?
There's gotta be a special thing you keep.
Flies, they smell that shit.
You can't keep flies.
What do you do with the flies?
cameron hanes
There's no flies.
eddie bravo
Fly paper?
cameron hanes
No flies, dude.
joe rogan
In the wintertime, most of the time when you're hunting, you're hunting in the fall.
eddie bravo
What about the bees?
joe rogan
And the flies kind of go away for the most part, unless you're in a warm climate.
cameron hanes
We saw a bunch of flies this week.
joe rogan
Yeah, this week we saw some flies.
But if he was in Utah, he wouldn't see any flies.
They're all dead.
eddie bravo
You should try hunting game in the jungle, like in Costa Rica.
See what's up with that?
That's extreme.
You gotta deal with the bugs.
There's a war with the bugs, and you're trying to get your fucking mammal.
You're trying to get your jaguar, or monkey, or whatever.
But you're in a different battle with the insects.
joe rogan
Joe, check this out.
I had this guy, when I was doing that sci-fi show, I had this guy on the show, his name is Peter Hortes.
He's a professor, I think, at the University of Houston.
Really, really smart dude.
But his specialty is infectious diseases in tropical climates.
Like worms?
eddie bravo
Parasites go in your dick?
joe rogan
No, all form of different parasites.
But this is what was really crazy.
He was saying that somewhere in like the high 90% of all people in these tropical climates, I hope I'm not misquoting him, they have some sort of infections.
They have some sort of parasites living in them.
eddie bravo
In the jungle?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
eddie bravo
That seems totally straight.
They go in those lagoons.
They're covering their dick.
joe rogan
It's not even that, dude.
eddie bravo
Parasites go in their dick.
joe rogan
If that's a problem... It's in the food you're eating.
eddie bravo
They go in your butt, too.
brendan schaub
It's in everything.
joe rogan
It's in, like, we're talking about Lyme disease.
That's kind of a disease.
I mean, it's like a kind of a virus or a bacteria.
I don't know how you would describe it.
brendan schaub
Have you gotten any bad viruses from all the traveling?
eddie bravo
No tics?
cameron hanes
No tics, yeah.
eddie bravo
What do you do with that?
How do you deal with that?
cameron hanes
Been bitten by a few ticks and they bury in.
Big leaf?
So I would take, like, uh, I'm trying to think what, either a needle, I think I heated up a needle and stuck the tick, and then when they burn, they back out.
eddie bravo
What?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
That happened once then, right?
cameron hanes
No, a few times.
I don't know what happens, but you can't feel them going in.
All of a sudden you kind of feel something.
joe rogan
They have a saliva that's a numbing agent.
cameron hanes
Right, so it must be something.
You'd think you'd feel them burying in your skin, but you don't feel them until they're in.
joe rogan
Double check that, Jamie.
unidentified
I'm almost certain that's right.
eddie bravo
Has anybody ever had one of those ticks bury themselves in the rectum?
joe rogan
Oh, deep in the butthole.
There they go.
eddie bravo
What happens then?
joe rogan
They go towards the darkness.
eddie bravo
Is that when you stop and you're like, you know what?
brendan schaub
Is that when you go vegan?
cameron hanes
I don't know.
joe rogan
A tick crawls inside your butthole.
And they just flush it out.
It just keeps getting bigger.
eddie bravo
How many times does that have to happen before you just say, you know what?
I'm gonna go to Boulder.
joe rogan
It looks like you're developing a belly, but it's actually this softball-sized tick that lives in your ass.
cameron hanes
No, tics are nasty.
brendan schaub
And maybe it feels good, you never know, so... Hey, Cam, when you're burning all these calories, will you eat just whatever you want?
Fast food, whatever?
cameron hanes
No, not fast food.
brendan schaub
Now, can I help pull this?
cameron hanes
I don't know, dairy or sugar?
jamie vernon
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Anything but dairy and sugar?
cameron hanes
No dairy.
joe rogan
What does this mean?
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
This is pubic hair.
We have children listening.
joe rogan
I don't even want to know what this is.
It's a tick bite on your genitals?
Is that what it's talking about?
jamie vernon
Yeah, and I only just put ticks on their skin to start looking stuff up.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
They go for the butt.
Look at that.
They smell it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
They can smell that.
What do you do if a tick burrows in your genitals?
eddie bravo
Think about how strong my shit is to a tick.
joe rogan
Dude, that's the weirdest thing about the world.
eddie bravo
You may not smell it, but that tick can smell it.
That tick knows your ass is sweaty.
joe rogan
How many different bugs are just jacking each other?
cameron hanes
What do you mean?
unidentified
Killing each other.
cameron hanes
Oh, killing each other?
eddie bravo
They're probably attracted to the smell of shit.
And if you don't wipe your ass right, boom, you're susceptible.
unidentified
Probably.
eddie bravo
You go to Brazil and you don't wipe your ass right?
Dude, expect it.
Don't be surprised.
joe rogan
Just think about it.
cameron hanes
Is that a wives' tale that bear are attracted to menstruation?
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
I would imagine.
cameron hanes
Because I've heard that.
eddie bravo
I believe it.
cameron hanes
I've heard that.
eddie bravo
I don't know why, but I do.
joe rogan
I would 100% assume that, but I would think that people would be afraid to say it because they don't want to accuse women of being, like, in any way, like, bringing on the bears.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
You know?
Or, and they don't want to address, like, find out if that's true.
Bears are not attracted.
Says who?
eddie bravo
You fuck.
joe rogan
How can they not smell it?
Black bears and grizzly bears are not attracted to me.
eddie bravo
Oh, it says life science.
I believe it.
cameron hanes
It says life science.
Polar bears are.
eddie bravo
We're good.
joe rogan
Oh, but polar bears.
eddie bravo
LiveScience.com, I believe it.
joe rogan
Look at this though, but it says polar bears may be interested in the smell of menstrual blood, which means they've eaten about a hundred researchers' vaginas.
unidentified
Meanwhile, it's like a fucking, this is a cover-up!
eddie bravo
They bought the science.
brendan schaub
Meanwhile, there's a fucking epidemic of bears eating female Uh, researchers.
joe rogan
Researchers on a cycle.
eddie bravo
Chicks that wanted to be like that Jane Goodall of the bears, and like, damn, they didn't tell him about the menstruation.
That's some strong shit.
joe rogan
That's what's really scary about the way some animals kill other animals, is they go asshole first.
brendan schaub
Look at that, they're stuck on this website.
Bears hate asshole first.
joe rogan
Sometimes they do pilots, too.
eddie bravo
Yellowstone.com!
Menstruating women, should you camp.
joe rogan
That's Yellowstone!
brendan schaub
Bears not attracted.
Well, how about how crocodiles kill alligators?
Look at this right here.
cameron hanes
Dude, I wouldn't trust... Yellowstone bear man.
eddie bravo
I wouldn't trust it.
brendan schaub
I'm going to listen to it again.
joe rogan
In a study designed to test the hypothesis that bears are attracted to the odors of menstruation, Cushing reported that when presented with a series of different odors including seal scents and other scents, non-menstrual human blood, and used tampons for captive... Jamie!
unidentified
Sorry, I was going to call you.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
joe rogan
That was beautiful.
How dare you?
That was the end of it.
That was the end of what?
brendan schaub
I was trying to read it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had to click it.
I didn't finish it.
Did I?
Did I finish it?
Four captive polar bears elicited a...
That part I didn't get.
Elicited a what?
eddie bravo
This is good news, Joe.
This is good news.
Now you can say, you're going to go hunt for bears, and then you can tell your wife, sending these links, and say, look.
joe rogan
They go after periods.
eddie bravo
We have to stop them.
I can't bring you.
I want to bring you.
I do want to bring you on this bear hunt.
joe rogan
I got zero desire to be out there.
cameron hanes
But I'm concerned for your safety.
eddie bravo
Don't you start your rag next week?
I mean, think about that.
Look at Wayne's website.
Center links.
joe rogan
I can't see it, Jamie.
That camera.
You got that camera set up there?
Okay.
eddie bravo
That's a good excuse.
joe rogan
A strong behavioral response only to seal scents and menstrual odors.
Use tampons.
Okay, so it did.
So that's not true.
jamie vernon
Just those four polar bears did.
joe rogan
So, okay, for polar bears, it's an attractant.
I gotta think that regular bears are gonna smell it too.
You don't have to say, you don't have to say any of that.
brendan schaub
You don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don't have to say, you don It's deer back home.
eddie bravo
You bring in your wife?
cameron hanes
No, she doesn't.
eddie bravo
Perfect.
brendan schaub
Deer, cool.
cameron hanes
Deer, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, we saw mountain lions.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, we saw mama and how many cubs?
cameron hanes
Two or three?
No, bobcats.
joe rogan
Bobcats.
eddie bravo
Would you attempt to cross brother?
joe rogan
That's right.
cameron hanes
We saw a, yeah, a female with two kittens.
unidentified
If you saw a female mountain lion, would you just leave them alone?
joe rogan
Why did I think that one of them was, I thought, why did I think it was a little cougar?
cameron hanes
No.
joe rogan
Dude, in my mind, I saw it so quick.
This is how shitty memory is.
Oh, you're high right now.
In my mind.
No, no!
eddie bravo
Did you smoke weed?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
You saw me.
eddie bravo
You brought joints?
joe rogan
No, no, not to the mountain lion.
brendan schaub
I'm sitting right now and he thought I was a mountain lion.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
No, I didn't bring anything.
unidentified
No?
No.
joe rogan
Not even a pen?
What?
brendan schaub
You were in the woods?
eddie bravo
You were in the woods?
joe rogan
Eddie, Eddie, hold on a second.
I thought those things were cougars.
cameron hanes
No, how you can tell quickly is the tail.
joe rogan
They were really small.
cameron hanes
Yeah, they're small, but a mountain lion, you're always going to notice a tail, a long tail.
joe rogan
Man, that's interesting, because it was such a brief thing.
You guys said it first, and then I turned and saw him for such a, maybe half a second or a second before they bolted, and I'm thinking that sometimes when you expect to see something, Like, so I think maybe Brian had said cat, and maybe I thought cougar.
So maybe it was just a flash on my mind filled in the blanks.
Which is shocking.
cameron hanes
That happens.
eddie bravo
What's the most dangerous cat in this part of the world?
cameron hanes
Mountain lion.
eddie bravo
More than a bobcat?
cameron hanes
Yeah, oh yeah.
A mountain lion can be 170 pounds.
Will it stalk you?
Yeah, it has before.
eddie bravo
Once you realize you're being stalked, is there a point where... You wanna watch a video?
cameron hanes
Usually you don't realize it.
brendan schaub
If you realize you're being stalked, at that point, is that mission number one?
joe rogan
Eddie, watch this video.
We're gonna watch this video.
This is a video of this guy.
We can't put it on YouTube, but we can watch it.
I want to be in on YouTube so nobody else sees it but that guy who got stalked He was on a mountain bike and he got stalked by this mountain lion who got within inside of 20 yards Did he get him?
I was walking slowly at him like this like out in the open Oh, let me see that Out in the open staring at him.
It is fucking horrific, dude.
It scares the shit out of me.
Look at this cat This dude is just hanging out and this fucking cat keeps coming close to him What is it so we can give the dude some props and he can get some views on it?
It says, Mountain Lion Standoff with Hiker.
So this gentleman, whoever he was that was the hiker, he was yelling here and the cat just keeps getting closer and closer to him and it got fucking super sketchy.
brendan schaub
For sure take off.
joe rogan
Dude, it got super sketchy.
That cat was for sure thinking about eating him.
eddie bravo
Did he have a gun?
joe rogan
I don't think he did.
He just got loud.
eddie bravo
Damn, look at this thing.
joe rogan
Where is this at, Jamie?
Where's that at?
Cam, where's Glacier National Park?
eddie bravo
Damn, he said, hey bud.
He called him.
joe rogan
Alaska?
Is it?
No.
eddie bravo
He called him.
He said, hey bud.
joe rogan
I don't think they have a lot of mountain lions in Alaska.
Do they, Kim?
cameron hanes
Glacier.
eddie bravo
That's a big motherfucker, dude.
joe rogan
Look at that motherfucker!
eddie bravo
That's a fucking tiger right there.
joe rogan
Dude, that is so scary.
That cat.
That no-rules-having motherfucker is closing in.
eddie bravo
Well, it's just an optical illusion.
brendan schaub
It's a terrible way to die.
joe rogan
No, it's not an optical illusion.
Look, a hundred pound cat, like if you see a German Shepherd, German Shepherd wants to fuck you up, you're scared, right?
German Shepherd might weigh 70 pounds.
Okay, that's not a big animal at all, but yet they will most likely fuck you up.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know those Belgian Malinois that they use for the police academy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that those are actually like more likely to be in the 60s and 70 pounds.
German Shepherds can get a little bit bigger.
No, no, he's not.
He just doesn't know what to do.
So he's making this video.
This guy's shitting his pants.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was awesome.
Dude, you almost died.
There's a gang of those videos.
And occasionally, occasionally, people go missing.
brendan schaub
They just go after women and children though, right?
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Not that guy.
That guy was a man.
And that might have kept him from being killed.
Maybe if that was a child, the cat wouldn't have hesitated.
The cat would have just killed him.
And it's happened.
I mean, there was a guy in Cupertino who watched his kid get attacked by a mountain lion just a year and a half ago.
And Cupertino, they chased it off, and I think then the animals began- Oh, look at that thing.
eddie bravo
That thing looks starving.
joe rogan
Look at that right arm.
cameron hanes
Holy shit.
unidentified
He's jacked up.
joe rogan
Looks like he'd have the most ridiculous Greco-Roman skills.
eddie bravo
That's not good.
You're gonna go take a walk in the woods?
brendan schaub
What's not good there, Cam?
eddie bravo
Bring your motherfucking rifle.
cameron hanes
How skinny it is.
eddie bravo
Oh, I forgot my rifle.
Starving.
unidentified
Yeah.
cameron hanes
So then he's dangerous.
eddie bravo
You forgot your rifle?
joe rogan
Look at it, dude.
Oh my god.
unidentified
Look at that thing.
eddie bravo
He's making a move.
cameron hanes
They're straight up killers.
eddie bravo
He's making a move.
Look at that.
joe rogan
That is so dangerous.
And it's just, it's just not sure whether or not you got a bang stick.
cameron hanes
I mean, think about... What's a bang stick?
joe rogan
A gun.
cameron hanes
A gun.
Think about trying to hold down a house cat if it doesn't want to be held down.
brendan schaub
No, I know.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
They're 15, 10 pounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
150.
eddie bravo
Have you ever killed a cat?
cameron hanes
No.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, those things are scary.
What's really weird is that we love them and we want them around us, but not so close.
eddie bravo
What's up, cats?
brendan schaub
Bro-sive!
joe rogan
Look at that one.
That one ran after the dude and he sprayed it in the face.
brendan schaub
On the far right, greatest tiger attacks ever caught on camera.
joe rogan
I don't necessarily think I want to look at that.
cameron hanes
7 million views.
brendan schaub
I definitely want to look at it.
joe rogan
As long as it doesn't get us kicked off of YouTube, Jamie.
So no one else can see it.
eddie bravo
This is crazy.
This is my favorite one.
joe rogan
This is the one where the dude's on top of an elephant and the tiger decides to run at him.
Look at this, running at him.
brendan schaub
Holy shit!
joe rogan
I mean, look how this thing flies through the air.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, that bamboo stick's really gonna help him.
joe rogan
That's a machete.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
joe rogan
He threw a machete at him.
cameron hanes
Oh my god.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
Oh!
He tore his arm apart.
eddie bravo
He should've timed that machete a lot better than that.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Once you commit, you're like, oh shit, you can't pull it back.
unidentified
Tiger kills dog.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Yoinkums!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
unidentified
Oh, it's over.
cameron hanes
That was quick.
joe rogan
Look at that.
They took off.
Tigers kills 14-foot crocodile.
Dude, there's a video that I just watched the other day of a tiger making a run at a guy, and at the last minute it turns.
But as it's angry, and it's in full fury, and it's making a run at it, it moves so much quicker than I thought they could.
So much quicker.
It was like a fucking regular cat, but like 600 pounds.
Tiger kills what?
cameron hanes
Sloth bear.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Oh, these guys are dead.
joe rogan
Everybody's dead.
They kill crocodiles, dude.
Have you ever seen those ones in Jaguars in Brazil?
They jump into the water and kill crocodiles?
eddie bravo
They just showed it right now.
A tiger just engulfing a crocodile and swarming on it.
joe rogan
I was talking about leopards though, or jaguars rather, which are even smaller than tigers, and they kill those caimans in Brazil.
There's a bunch of those videos.
brendan schaub
They come behind him, creep up?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
They treat him like they're food, man.
They just jack him.
brendan schaub
Dude, how fucking scary is that tiger?
That thing's huge, man.
joe rogan
Look at this thing.
It's chasing after these people.
cameron hanes
It's about like those African lions.
joe rogan
Look at this thing.
cameron hanes
500 pounds.
unidentified
But imagine you're in this fucking... Because tigers are much larger.
brendan schaub
Hey, you know what?
700 pounds?
Am I off on that?
eddie bravo
You have a choice.
You want to live around tigers or you want to live around criminals with guns on the streets.
brendan schaub
Criminals.
eddie bravo
It's the same shit.
brendan schaub
Criminals.
eddie bravo
It's the same.
They probably think we're fucking crazy.
Look at this!
That there's humans with guns shooting people, and all they gotta do is deal with tigers.
cameron hanes
Dude, that is such a gnarly animal.
joe rogan
Yeah, but dude, look at this video.
This tiger is just slowly stalking these fucking people.
There's a truck behind him, and there's a truck in front of him, and this tiger is just strutting.
Dude, this is scary.
That tiger's just trying to figure out what it's going to do.
And this is a video called Tiger Attacks.
unidentified
What's scarier?
joe rogan
This can't be good.
I'm shitting my pants right now, motherfucker.
I don't know if you are.
eddie bravo
What's scarier, a tiger like that or a government official that wants you suicided?
brendan schaub
Tiger, Eddie.
joe rogan
In the moment.
In the moment.
I just feel like the government officials could be... What's worse?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe you're right.
joe rogan
They could be coaxed into enlightenment.
eddie bravo
You're right.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's no talking to this tiger.
joe rogan
This tiger doesn't give a fuck.
eddie bravo
It's a trade-off.
Oh, here it comes!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, here it comes!
brendan schaub
Oh, God.
Oh, it's like the Blair Witch Project.
joe rogan
Where does the camera work?
Oh my God, they're running away from this tiger.
eddie bravo
A hitman's not gonna scrape the skin off your back, Brendan, so that's a trade-off.
joe rogan
I'm so scared of those goddamn things.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Tiger.
joe rogan
That video in Beijing.
That video in Beijing where that chick gets in an argument with someone and she gets out of the car.
brendan schaub
Fucked up, bitch.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
Yeah, dude, this one's rough.
joe rogan
She's like, fuck this, bitch, I'll tell you what the fuck is going on.
eddie bravo
What city are they in where there's three cars?
joe rogan
Beijing.
Yeah, watch.
She's like, look at her.
She's all strutting.
eddie bravo
She's yelling at somebody.
joe rogan
She's yelling at somebody.
eddie bravo
I want to go home.
joe rogan
Look at this.
brendan schaub
You ain't doing shit.
That's how he goes, what?
Why is that red car just sitting there?
eddie bravo
Yeah!
brendan schaub
Why is that red car just sitting there?
joe rogan
Dude, because they're all on a safari where you drive down the road in your car and you get to see these animals.
unidentified
It's a safari.
brendan schaub
And she didn't die.
It's like a park.
cameron hanes
No, the mom.
Oh, okay.
eddie bravo
I get it, it's a part.
joe rogan
Dude, I do not want to see that guy's arms get ripped off like that.
eddie bravo
Stay in your goddamn car.
You're in fucking Lion Country Safari in San Diego.
joe rogan
What the fuck is this guy doing?
This is a preacher.
He was trying to convince, this guy was trying to convince these lions that Christianity was the way to do it.
brendan schaub
Oh, you know what?
eddie bravo
I think they believe him.
I don't know why, but they do.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that guy got fucked up.
He is in a bad spot.
eddie bravo
They believe him.
Look at their eyes.
brendan schaub
Dude, he jumped into the exhibit.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He fucked up.
eddie bravo
God is stronger than any of us can imagine, Brendan.
unidentified
He fucked up.
joe rogan
Look at what they're doing.
They have to spray these lions to get them to fuck away.
brendan schaub
Cats really hate water?
joe rogan
Well, they just don't like being changed.
Oh, shit!
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
This is the leopard that came out of the roof and fucked these guys up.
brendan schaub
God!
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
Look at this shit.
They need a baseball bat.
A little baby one like those little ones.
Fucking everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
Right there.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
Right in the skull.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He's scared.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Those cats are terrifying, dude.
eddie bravo
I'm not a cat.
unidentified
Oh!
eddie bravo
That's not real.
brendan schaub
Cat inside the fucking living room.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
eddie bravo
That's real.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing.
eddie bravo
We got the biggest cat in Indonesia.
Let's have a pet.
unidentified
Look at that guy.
They're on a TV show in Indonesia.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
These silly bitches are in the cage with him.
joe rogan
He's trying to fuck him?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
What's wrong with that?
brendan schaub
He's going for that dick.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Let it go.
That would hurt so bad.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
He's going for his face!
unidentified
Oh no!
joe rogan
He's going for his face.
brendan schaub
Look at the guy hit him on the head.
joe rogan
It looks like he's trying to get over some affection.
That's not a full-sized tiger either.
That's like a baby that's feeling his oats.
brendan schaub
That's a female.
eddie bravo
Imagine those claws digging into that ass.
joe rogan
Is that a lion?
cameron hanes
Lion, yeah.
joe rogan
Did I say tiger?
eddie bravo
Look at those claws.
cameron hanes
Lioness.
joe rogan
I'm too drunk.
eddie bravo
Imagine how deep those claws are right up his ass cheek.
joe rogan
But she's young, right?
brendan schaub
Dude, it's on the ankle right now.
joe rogan
Do you think she's a young one?
cameron hanes
I don't know.
Lionesses are smaller.
eddie bravo
She looks at least 18.
joe rogan
But it seemed like she wasn't that big.
unidentified
Oh my god.
cameron hanes
That's a big ass male.
brendan schaub
Oh shit, there's the female son.
jamie vernon
That's the one in Vegas.
unidentified
Oh no.
eddie bravo
It's a male, Brendan.
joe rogan
MGM exhibit.
cameron hanes
You're not going to hold that back.
brendan schaub
Hell no.
joe rogan
You might as well just...
That's MGM?
This is so crazy.
Oh shit.
brendan schaub
This is so crazy.
What are they thinking?
joe rogan
They got cocky.
They thought they could hang out with their friends the lions.
unidentified
Oh, this guy's about to get yattered.
joe rogan
Oh, you got... Oh, Jesus Christ!
Don't show me this, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Eat that arm, son.
joe rogan
I don't want to see this.
brendan schaub
Eat it, eat it, eat it.
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
I don't want to see this guy's arm get torn off.
unidentified
Please, Josh.
joe rogan
Oh, no, he's good.
brendan schaub
He's got his t-shirt.
eddie bravo
It's just the skin.
brendan schaub
Just the t-shirt.
eddie bravo
It's just the skin.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
eddie bravo
This isn't good.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
cameron hanes
This is not good.
eddie bravo
That's fake.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
You guys believe in this shit?
Oh my God.
brendan schaub
It's a distraction.
See, I like the real ones.
I don't like the exhibit ones.
Here's the real shit.
eddie bravo
Is that an ostrich?
Oh, it's a- OH!
joe rogan
Oh my God!
brendan schaub
What is that?
joe rogan
It tackled that dude and they shot it.
eddie bravo
At least he ran.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, red carpet.
That makes sense, you dumbasses.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
That's not America.
There's no way.
unidentified
Oh my god, it's got his fucking leg!
joe rogan
Dude, fuck these things.
Like, what is wrong with people?
brendan schaub
Why are you walking down a red carpet in a tuxedo like an asshole?
joe rogan
With a lion.
brendan schaub
A lion!
Who's your date tonight, lion?
joe rogan
I'm gonna bring my lion.
Let everybody know I'm so connected to the wild.
cameron hanes
So a real life story, not this, but when we were hunting over there in Tanzania, this lioness had cubs and we had to keep driving by in the Jeep.
We know we weren't hunting the lioness, but she was getting mad like every time we drive by.
So one time we drove by, we got video of it, it's somewhere on my Instagram, but She takes off after the jeep and we're like, go, go, go!
And we're going, dust is coming up, and here she comes out of the dust and catching up with us.
eddie bravo
A what?
A lion?
cameron hanes
A lioness, yeah.
joe rogan
Were you in an open jeep?
eddie bravo
Yeah, open jeep.
cameron hanes
No, we got to win.
brendan schaub
Fucking everybody up.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
cameron hanes
But it was like, we were kind of laughing, like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
And then she comes out of the dust.
unidentified
It's like, go, bro.
cameron hanes
And she's like, catch enough.
brendan schaub
But you guys all had your guns out.
Like, come on up.
unidentified
And Bo's.
cameron hanes
And Bo's.
joe rogan
But what if you had, like, one bad spark plug?
Like, one misfire.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
The engine's just hiccuping.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
One shitty old carburetor they haven't cleared the dust out of.
brendan schaub
Someone's getting dealt with.
joe rogan
It's all caked up.
And it's just the fuel injectors get fucking clogged.
cameron hanes
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, then a giant cat is eating your asshole.
eddie bravo
You have a preserved gun, just in case?
You have your backup gun?
cameron hanes
No.
eddie bravo
You need to get that shit in order.
You better have that backup gun.
You're hanging out with polar bears and shit.
joe rogan
I hear ya.
Don't hang out with polar bears.
That does not seem like a wise maneuver.
Those fucking things don't do anything but jack things.
You ever see that video that I posted?
I forget where I got it from.
On National Geographic?
No, a seal.
Seal's chillin'.
It doesn't know that a polar bear's in the neighborhood.
And the polar bear jumps up on the ice shelf and the seal sees it and goes, Fuck!
He starts this mad sprint for the water and gets in the water and as he's getting in the water the polar bear is coming out of the water and onto the ice shelf and he's running towards him and he dives into the water.
Watch this shit.
Yeah, look.
The seal is just like, you know, you know how we do.
eddie bravo
Have you seen the killer whale one?
unidentified
They do the same thing.
eddie bravo
Watch this.
joe rogan
Yeah, but hold on a second.
He's like, you know, look at it.
The polar bear peers up, realizes it's there and goes, oh motherfucker.
eddie bravo
I got this motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Oh, this is just the gif.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a different one?
Oh, the GIF?
eddie bravo
What about the video?
brendan schaub
That's a GIF too, Joe.
That's a classic GIF too, I think.
joe rogan
Is it?
eddie bravo
Imagine that meme.
joe rogan
Just see if we can find it.
Or wait, Joey Diaz calls them memes.
This is it.
There's the seal.
He's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
And the polar bears are like, gosh.
eddie bravo
You see how he dived right the fucking... Well, Jamie, find the whole one, because he comes out.
brendan schaub
That seal was posted.
joe rogan
Go on.
unidentified
It's on my Instagram.
eddie bravo
He intercepted that shit right at the water break.
joe rogan
Somewhere on my Instagram.
Like, it was a while ago, though.
brendan schaub
There's one similar with killer whales.
unidentified
There's like three of them, and they're like fucking... Right, they're teaching the babies how to do it.
eddie bravo
They're making waves on a fucking seal, and then they rock it off, and that's done.
joe rogan
Yeah, they put their weight on it, and they tilt it.
And they make them slide right through them.
These poor fuckers.
cameron hanes
It's the oldest trick in the book.
joe rogan
They're like, we got it on a side shelf.
Everything should be cool now.
unidentified
And the killer whale's like, bitch.
joe rogan
They just put their chin on it.
unidentified
Bitch, please.
cameron hanes
It's slippery.
jamie vernon
That one's the one where he jumps in the boat to get away from it.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's the seal that runs away from the sharks.
They're smart little fuckers.
The sharks were trying to eat the seals.
Sharks are killer whales.
jamie vernon
It says whale.
unidentified
So it was killer whale.
cameron hanes
Seal didn't care what it got up on.
unidentified
I'm just so happy to be up there.
joe rogan
They will fuck with seals.
They'll play with them before they kill them.
They're so smart.
brendan schaub
Looks like there's a shark down there too.
joe rogan
And you know they're a dolphin?
brendan schaub
What is?
joe rogan
Killer whale.
Oh, a dolphin or a whale.
It's a cousin of a dolphin.
brendan schaub
A whale is?
joe rogan
Killer whale is a cousin, an orca.
unidentified
All whales are.
joe rogan
It's a cousin of a dolphin.
brendan schaub
Right?
joe rogan
Well, whales and dolphins are similar in that they're marine mammals, but as far as the species goes, killer orcas apparently are closer to dolphins.
unidentified
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They're super close to dolphins.
brendan schaub
That's why they're both smart as shit.
joe rogan
Smart as shit, but they kill each other.
Mostly orcas kill dolphins, but orcas also kill whales.
brendan schaub
And can't they kill great whites, too?
Like, they're gnarled.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fuck great whites up.
brendan schaub
Like, they take chunks out of great whites.
joe rogan
Oh, they kill great whites.
They're so much smarter and bigger.
brendan schaub
Where'd you see that on YouTube?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a video of a mama and protecting her whales.
unidentified
Gross.
brendan schaub
This time YouTube worked, son.
joe rogan
Okay, what is a baby?
What do you call a baby?
A baby orca.
unidentified
Calf.
joe rogan
Is it a calf?
A calf?
brendan schaub
A Borbka.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
Why can't we just call it a baby?
Why can't they admit they're smart as shit?
brendan schaub
It's weird.
joe rogan
But they kill whales, dude.
They bite their faces.
It's rough.
There's one video.
Really?
brendan schaub
I'd love to see it.
joe rogan
It's a killer whale killing a whale.
brendan schaub
And he bites his face off?
joe rogan
He's just chewing this whale's face off.
unidentified
God!
joe rogan
Just tearing this thing apart.
brendan schaub
Motherfuckers.
They're mean as shit.
joe rogan
They're gangsters.
brendan schaub
Because of Shamu, we grew up thinking they're all cool and friendly and doing all this bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, they are to us.
Apparently.
eddie bravo
That's like Tony Montana's SeaWorld.
unidentified
But in reality, those are more popular than the rest of our narcos.
joe rogan
I read something that wasn't true.
I read something that wasn't true, but it's one of those things you read and it sounds so awesome you don't want it to not be true.
eddie bravo
What is it?
joe rogan
But what I read was that killer whales used to kill people until World War II when they started using planes and they used to use killer whales for target practice.
brendan schaub
That's some bullshit.
joe rogan
It's totally bullshit, but I heard it and I got so excited.
eddie bravo
How do you know it's bullshit?
brendan schaub
You're better than that, Joe.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's real.
joe rogan
How do you know it's bullshit?
eddie bravo
Because they said it on CNN?
brendan schaub
Because I'm educated.
cameron hanes
MSN.
brendan schaub
Just because I'm educated, there's no way that works.
joe rogan
There's no evidence that they ever killed anybody other than in captivity.
I'm just saying.
What they know as far as evidence of killer whales attacking human beings, there's almost no record of anything ever happening in the wild.
eddie bravo
What if they covered that shit up?
joe rogan
Why would they do that?
They're too busy with the Clinton Foundation and SeaWorld.
They don't have time.
Yeah, see this killer whale is biting this fucking whale's face off.
unidentified
What if that's a man?
jamie vernon
There's a tiger shark here.
joe rogan
There's a tiger shark?
Oh, it kills a tiger shark?
I think it's a humpback whale and it's really disturbing.
eddie bravo
Why do they suppose they've never killed humans?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
eddie bravo
There was a movie called Orca back in 1981.
joe rogan
Maybe they don't need us.
eddie bravo
Maybe they know that we're not competing.
brendan schaub
You know I bite the face off of right now?
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Anything.
Including pizza.
I'm starving.
eddie bravo
You know how Jaws fucked everybody up?
cameron hanes
I've had six bars.
brendan schaub
Me and Cam eat the same.
cameron hanes
You know how Jaws fucked everybody up?
I tried to have one, but I got in trouble.
eddie bravo
With Great Whites?
There was a movie called Orca.
joe rogan
I thought you said you know how Josh fucked everybody up?
eddie bravo
I thought I heard Josh too.
brendan schaub
I'm like, Josh Barnett eats whales?
eddie bravo
Josh Barnett fucked everything up?
unidentified
What happened?
brendan schaub
He fucks people.
joe rogan
I know Jaws, yes.
I got so confused.
Yeah, for sure.
eddie bravo
Like, I won't go in the goddamn ocean because of Jaws.
I know it's brainwashed, but it worked, and I'm a subject of it, and I'm not going in the goddamn ocean ever.
joe rogan
Do you think they're trying to keep us from the ocean's knowledge?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
Why are they trying to keep us from- That's Jaws right there.
eddie bravo
That worked!
brendan schaub
That worked on me!
No, there's a new Jaws called The Shallows with Blake Lively.
What is his name?
jamie vernon
Orca.
unidentified
I think you're right.
cameron hanes
I wanted to see it just because of her.
eddie bravo
Just like Jaws, but it was a killer whale.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a killer whale that jacked people up.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm not trying to see that bullshit.
That friendly-ass whale.
eddie bravo
That was 1981 or something.
brendan schaub
I'm not scared of that thing.
What year was it?
unidentified
79?
joe rogan
I'm going to go, I think you're right.
I think 79 sounds right.
brendan schaub
Was that the worst movie of all time?
joe rogan
Hey, listen.
Second.
unidentified
77?
joe rogan
Nice.
eddie bravo
That was before Jaws.
Think about that shit.
Jaws ripped this shit.
brendan schaub
This was like Tesla.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
brendan schaub
Jaws was a true story.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
What year was Jaws?
brendan schaub
No, Jaws was older than 77.
15% on Rotten Tomatoes.
joe rogan
Oh shit.
What year was Jaws?
Okay, I'm gonna say Jaws is older than that.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna say Jaws 72. 75.
eddie bravo
This what year?
brendan schaub
75.
Yeah.
So it's older.
eddie bravo
Okay, so this ripped Jaws off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
And brought a baby ship whale.
joe rogan
We all knew that.
We just forgot.
Because Peter Benchley wrote Jaws.
Jaws was a hit novel, right?
Wasn't it?
brendan schaub
Jaws came from a true story.
joe rogan
Right.
But wasn't it a novel before it was?
eddie bravo
Orca got suppressed.
joe rogan
I read the book.
I know I read the book.
It was one of those times, they used to make books, and they would sell them, and it was the plot of the movie.
cameron hanes
Peter Benchley.
brendan schaub
They still do that.
joe rogan
Do they do that?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
But this wasn't that.
It was a novel.
Okay, 1974 novel, and then they turned it into a movie in 1975.
eddie bravo
Look at that shark right there.
That's the most evil shark.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, they kind of re-did Jaws with that movie, Shallow, with Blake Lively, and it's legit, man.
joe rogan
How about that Deep Water movie?
The picture I posted on my Instagram that wasn't a real shark, it was a 3D rendering, like a computer rendering.
But, it's what a shark looks like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I reposted it.
It was from somewhere else, but it's fucking so crazy.
Here's the thing, man.
Yeah, it's a 3D rendering, but that's what a shark looks like, and the sharks can do that.
brendan schaub
Yes, they can.
We've seen this out there.
It's not good.
joe rogan
That's all real.
unidentified
I mean, that's totally... Keep it up!
joe rogan
How dare you?
You just went crazy.
You lost it.
How dare you?
Look at that thing, man.
I mean, if that wasn't a real animal.
If there was no such thing as a shark, and all of a sudden... That's your most likes.
Yeah, you're right, you're right.
75 likes, you're right.
That's the most likes ever.
We're trying to figure out which one it was.
brendan schaub
That's your most likes of all time?
joe rogan
75 million likes?
unidentified
75,000.
No, 75,000.
joe rogan
That's not that much.
eddie bravo
Fucking The Rock gets that shit on, like, shit pics.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you have way more on UFC stuff, yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
But look at the fucking body on that thing.
That's a real... He's bodied up.
But that's really what they're built like.
They're a giant mouth with a body that they just fill up with.
Remember Jaws?
They were like pulling license plates out and boots and shit.
brendan schaub
That's from Tiger Sharks.
cameron hanes
I wanted a shark tooth.
I had a shark tooth necklace.
Did anybody have that?
brendan schaub
I did too, man.
eddie bravo
How about now there's people swimming with these motherfuckers and it turns out people are swimming with bull sharks and tiger sharks.
brendan schaub
They say there's great whites all down here.
From fucking San Diego up to...
joe rogan
Do you know that Jaws was based on an attack that took place at Freshwater?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
In New Jersey.
It was a true story.
Well, sort of.
Nobody wanted to admit that these sharks were killing people, but it wasn't a great white.
It was bull sharks.
They go to Freshwater.
Dude, bull sharks are so crazy they can get all the way up the Mississippi River towards Illinois.
They can go that high up fresh water.
brendan schaub
Just don't say bull sharks and tiger sharks.
joe rogan
Those are the motherfuckers.
Super aggressive.
When you hear about people getting bitten, those are the two main culprits.
eddie bravo
Meanwhile, Jackass is making videos where they're swimming with these little guys.
joe rogan
Those guys are crazy.
eddie bravo
What about that?
They're swimming with bull sharks.
joe rogan
Look at that one.
He breaches the water.
eddie bravo
That's CGI.
brendan schaub
Did you see that surfer in the competition?
You see the surfer in the competition, there's a great white and you have to fight him off?
joe rogan
Yeah, it bumps him.
Fuck all that.
cameron hanes
Didn't he get bit like the next year or two?
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's a delicious man.
Look at that thing, it's flying through the air.
eddie bravo
That looks like... Yep, don't say it.
That looks like Vera de Milo.
That looks like Vera de Milo.
joe rogan
I was gonna say Caitlyn Jenner.
eddie bravo
Vera de Milo was Jim Carrey in Living Color.
joe rogan
It was disgusting.
eddie bravo
He was a female.
unidentified
Give me a reviewer to Milo.
Jamie.
joe rogan
Every year, you know.
eddie bravo
Just save me, please.
joe rogan
Every year, someone on the California coast, it's not a lot, but almost every year, someone gets bitten in half.
And there's a, I shouldn't say almost every year.
eddie bravo
By gangsters?
joe rogan
Three times that I have known of over the past like ten years, guys have been bitten in half.
And the scariest one for me was this dude who was competing, he was training for a triathlon, and so they had hopped in the ocean off the coast of San Diego, Just about 100 yards offshore and they were doing these laps and there was a bunch of them.
There was a bunch of people in the water and this great white came along and cut one of them in half in front of everybody.
unidentified
Could you imagine?
joe rogan
That feeling that you would get if you're in the water and you're starting to think, like, why the fuck exactly am I doing this?
And then in front of you, the guy in front of you, you see engulfed by an Airstream trailer with teeth.
And it just cuts him in half and his legs go one way and his upper body becomes this meat stew just fucking trailing off in the frothy waters in front of it.
And you gotta swim through that shit to get to the shore.
cameron hanes
And not even that, have you been in the water and just something hits your leg?
brendan schaub
Even seaweed, I'm like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Imagine this, just looking up and seeing this.
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
joe rogan
A Volkswagen door just closing on your body.
eddie bravo
Part of the game.
joe rogan
Fuck!
eddie bravo
All those guys that go out there, they know that's real, and they'll tell you it's part of the goddamn game.
joe rogan
Don't play that game.
For sure don't play that game.
eddie bravo
Pacific Ocean, California Coast, that's Great White City.
It's not like South Africa.
South Africa is basically that whole like South Africa Ocean, that's just a Jacuzzi for Great Whites.
You can't go in the water there.
brendan schaub
But on the California Coast, that's Great White City.
But no one's gonna attack the The real issue is this, Florida.
Florida's where there's like the bull sharks, tiger sharks, the black tips.
That's where everyone's going to attack Florida.
joe rogan
Why do you think great whites aren't attacking people around here, but they're attacking people like crazy in South Africa?
unidentified
Well, they attack people in the California.
cameron hanes
Probably food.
joe rogan
But it's not that often.
brendan schaub
No, not really.
joe rogan
It's not that often.
There has been a death in... One of the things they've been finding out when they've been doing all these studies, especially they fly over them with cameras and they look down, they're finding great whites a hundred yards offshore.
brendan schaub
They're finding babies.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're finally- They're young ones here.
They think that they breed in San Francisco, right?
They breed in San Francisco.
eddie bravo
In South Africa, they'll have a popular beach where all these motherfucking tourists, they're in the beach, and like maybe a mile off the coast, they're monitoring all these great whites, they're just looking at them, they're in helicopters, they're in planes, and the adolescents are kind of close, but they know that those little teenagers don't attack humans, they know that.
People are in the water while there's some task force, some great white shark task force, monitoring the great whites to make sure they don't get that close.
That's every day in South Africa.
They're there, and they could spot them, they could see them because the water's clear.
cameron hanes
What do they do?
eddie bravo
And if they get too close, they're like...
brendan schaub
Get the fucks out of the way!
Get the fucks out of the way!
joe rogan
Why don't they put up like a net?
Why don't they put up like a net that anything smaller- Cause they kill the other animals.
No, anything smaller than like a fucking tuna can get through.
brendan schaub
Cause then the dolphins and stuff get caught in those nets.
Yeah, you're right, I'm an asshole.
joe rogan
But I was thinking there's gotta be a way to like put up something that keeps- No, you know, a net's on this shit.
brendan schaub
Maybe it'd have to be like a really tight mesh.
On the Discovery Channel they had this guy put up like these holes at the bottom of the sea.
Obviously, it's going to be a beast to do.
Had these poles and it would send off...
It's fuckin' pulses.
eddie bravo
You see that CNN?
brendan schaub
This is Discovery Channel.
joe rogan
Fox News, bro!
eddie bravo
Exactly.
joe rogan
Fox News is all pro-shark.
Dude, you know Fox News is pro-shark.
brendan schaub
Dude, you know they want you to get eaten by the shark!
eddie bravo
I think it's cheaper if they like, okay, we don't have to build goddamn fuckin' fences.
brendan schaub
I don't think it's not an issue.
They just gotta keep an eye on that.
No, they don't give a fuck.
eddie bravo
They want the seals!
brendan schaub
Like, one person dies a year.
joe rogan
You know what I blame?
Obama.
eddie bravo
Obama 2.
joe rogan
Donald Trump 2.
You know what I blame?
Pharmacy companies.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
Random ones.
brendan schaub
Tower 7.
eddie bravo
You know who I blame too?
joe rogan
I blame Bigfoot.
Hey, what are your feelings on aliens, man?
eddie bravo
I don't even think about aliens no more, dude.
Aliens are like...
brendan schaub
I look at aliens now as a complete- You don't believe in aliens?
eddie bravo
I believe that all that shit is government distraction.
brendan schaub
Aliens?
eddie bravo
Yeah, I believe that we've been tricked.
I've been tricked.
When I was into aliens and all that shit, I believed I was hoodwinked.
I believed I was fooled.
unidentified
Hoodwinked.
brendan schaub
I believed that all the alien shit is all bullshit to trick people, and they tricked me, and they ain't tricking me no more.
joe rogan
Sounds like an REO Speedwagon song.
cameron hanes
Ten years down the road, you're gonna think that the- The tower seven thing was a trick?
eddie bravo
Dude, I might have to get out of here.
joe rogan
You know what I think, for sure we're going to wrap this up soon, but I think there's...
There's so little evidence that anybody's ever visited us.
This is a crazy thought, but think about it.
If there has to be a point, if the earth was, at one time, this thing that had no life, and it evolved to be the thing that it's like today, where we're on the internet, and we're driving cars, and we're flying planes, and we're sending video through the sky, it's entirely possible that we're the first things to do this.
Even though we'd like to think the universe has been around for so long that for sure there's other civilizations out there in this infinite universe.
Maybe.
eddie bravo
A good chance.
brendan schaub
The thing about all the galaxies.
eddie bravo
Maybe.
joe rogan
No.
He doesn't necessarily know whether or not there's alien life in other planets.
And there might be.
But here's the thing about infinity.
The reality is, if we are the first ever intelligent life, and we're the first things to ever hit this point, we don't know.
We've never experienced anything smarter than us.
Not to say that we're so awesome, but we haven't run into any other intelligent life anywhere in the universe, right?
It's possible, they say, that not only is this the first time that this has ever happened, But this is happening simultaneously in infinite worlds that behave exactly the same way as this world in infinite universes.
That every fucking thing that's ever happened, including our Elkhart, including this crazy Tower 7 talk, including this fucking incredible fight between Bisping and Henderson, is happening to the exact same nanosecond in an infinite number of worlds in an infinite number of time zones.
But there's no evidence that we're here, other than the fact that we know we're here.
How do we not think that this is probably not just common, but constant all throughout the sky?
eddie bravo
How about one thing?
Here's a new thing that I never thought about with the whole moon hoax theory.
There is no video There's all this video of dudes on the moon with a fucking moon buggy picking up rocks.
Don't take that away from Armstrong.
Listen up, listen up.
But there's no video footage of boom, here's an astronaut, here's the earth, and here's an astronaut, here's earth.
They went up how many times and there's not one swooping shot of the earth and the astronaut and the earth and the astronaut.
brendan schaub
Shitty cameraman.
joe rogan
They had some shitty cameras, too.
Whatever they could use to take pictures of anything back then was pretty crude.
cameron hanes
All they needed was one selfie.
eddie bravo
Then they released those pictures that were proven fake!
They released those pictures on the NASA website!
Proven fake!
brendan schaub
Just to beat Russia?
eddie bravo
Of Earth from Moon?
That shit was proven fake!
There's like two different ones they released.
That's bullshit!
But if it's all perfect, the picture of the Earth is all perfect.
perfect from the moon, but then you couldn't get no goddamn video, all those hours of video on the moon.
You couldn't swoop up to the goddamn earth.
You couldn't get any video. - Can't get a camera beat? - There's no video of the earth from moon.
And we went how many motherfucking times?
How many motherfucking times?
joe rogan
Six times successfully, seven attempts.
And there's no video of the Earth.
Apollo 13 never made it.
eddie bravo
They got pictures that were proven fake.
Why are they faking pictures?
joe rogan
Goddamn fakers.
eddie bravo
Why are they faking pictures?
unidentified
Moon, Al Qaeda, Jamie's already looking into it and he knows that's real.
cameron hanes
Bigfoot, Bigfoot.
brendan schaub
There's no video footage of the moon, of Earth from the moon.
joe rogan
Well here's one thing that they absolutely did fake.
One thing they absolutely did fake is Michael Collins.
Somebody did it.
We don't know who.
Here's the problem.
You know, it could have been an overzealous PR representative, but Michael Collins from one of the Gemini missions, there's a photo of him where they blacked out the background and pretended that it was a photo that was taken in space, but it's an identical photo, just reversed, of him in a training, he was in a training program, so he's hooked up a harness and the whole deal, and wires in the background.
eddie bravo
It's all over!
joe rogan
Look, you can see it, but here's the thing.
And this is just me trying to be fair.
Who the fuck knows who did that?
It could have been some idiot who thought he was smarter than everybody and he worked for the PR department of NASA and they didn't have any good photos.
Look, here's the thing, man.
It ain't easy to fucking take photos while you're in a spacewalk.
You know, and if a dude is really out there doing a spacewalk, I think it's entirely possible that they could lie and fake photos and twist stuff around.
I mean, this was the 1960s.
They could kind of do whatever the fuck they wanted to.
But you've never seen this before.
I want you to see this.
eddie bravo
I want to see it.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Michael Collins spacewalk, Gemini, fake.
Yeah, it's weird.
See, the thing is, I try to be open-minded.
I don't know who did that.
I don't know when they did that.
I don't know why they did that.
I don't know if it would have been one goofy fuck who worked at NASA, thought he was really smart, and he was in charge of the PR.
I said, oh, we got some great photos, Mr. President.
Here's one of them.
eddie bravo
That's fake as fuck.
joe rogan
No, Michael Collins' Gemini spacewalk fake photo.
Gemini 15.
brendan schaub
That picture right there is so fake, and they're putting that on NASA's website.
eddie bravo
They're putting fake pictures.
joe rogan
There it is.
You just had it.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Fake pictures on NASA.
And everyone's like, I love NASA!
brendan schaub
They can't get one Morgan?
joe rogan
Show the contrast.
Okay, here it goes.
So go, see the one on the left is him in a simulation.
The one on the right is just the reverse of that image exactly, and it's him in space.
eddie bravo
Of course.
That's all the evidence I need.
That's like showing me some mobster gangster who's murdered people with a stripper and someone saying, look, he's fucking that stripper.
That's all I need to motherfuckin' see!
You know what I mean?
He's a... I don't care if that picture's fake!
brendan schaub
You understand what I'm saying?
eddie bravo
You know what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
That's all I need to see!
eddie bravo
That's real shit!
joe rogan
Let's bring this thing home.
eddie bravo
You're showing me a gangster in a picture with a stripper.
And I'm supposed to... And you're trying to... Yes, she's a stripper, but that does not prove... This is a five-hour podcast.
joe rogan
They fuck each other!
eddie bravo
There's no proof that they had sex, okay?
He's with her... Good luck coming up.
joe rogan
Is there a picture of his penis in her vagina?
T-F-A-T-K-A-P-Q-O-B-G-T-Q-R-T No!
eddie bravo
Hey, hope for reals.
brendan schaub
We're in Oxnard on Thursday.
This coming Thursday we're in Oxnard, then we're in Brea, then we're up in New York for the Comedy Festival.
joe rogan
t-fat k.com EBI I'm gonna ask you one question before we go I saw something that yeah John Donaher was writing about palm strikes Are you going to implement that?
Are you thinking about it?
eddie bravo
When?
The first show of 2017 is going to be the 170 EBI tournament.
So it's going to be regular EBI rules for the 16-guy tournament.
Regular EBI.
First show of 2017.
But we usually have three shows.
Special matches and they used to be Teenagers and stuff, but we can't use minors anymore and stuff So so what we're gonna use those three we would do a round of the 16-man tournament then throw a special match Let everyone rest then do another round and then a special match.
Let's everyone rest and then that final semi final round So before the finals, there's one more so there's three special matches now what we're gonna do is those three special matches are gonna be a four man Combat jiu-jitsu tournament where it's I had this cleared through the Commission years ago But it kind of got stalled with some of the rules.
They wouldn't let me They didn't want to do it outside of cage and they didn't want to give me more than three three-minute rounds So EBI was always about having combat jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu with some palm strikes just to keep it honest just to keep your jiu-jitsu a little more real because when you don't have zero strikes I mean, MMA is the ultimate.
brendan schaub
UFC, you've got punches, you've got elbows, you've got kicks.
eddie bravo
But I wanted to make Jiu-Jitsu just a little more realistic.
It's always been the plan.
That was before EBI, I was trying to push combat Jiu-Jitsu through.
We have two matches going on YouTube, punching combat Jiu-Jitsu.
We did two matches, Compella did a match, Nate Harris from 10th Planet Santa Fe did a match.
We did two combat Jiu-Jitsu matches, and this style of Jiu-Jitsu, No striking, no Muay Thai, no boxing, none of that yet.
It's just strikes when you're on the ground.
So it's generally for three different types of athletes.
Can I ask you a question?
brendan schaub
This is the longest pause of all time, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, but can I ask you a question?
How do you define when someone's on the ground?
Say if someone is defending a takedown and they have one knee on the ground, can you smack them in the face?
eddie bravo
Listen, first of all, if you're getting bored, Brendan... I'm good!
Are you bored?
brendan schaub
No, I'm good, man.
I'm good, man.
joe rogan
I'm trying to explain some shit.
unidentified
No, I heard him.
eddie bravo
And you're saying that was a long explanation.
No, I thought we were done.
brendan schaub
I'm trying to explain shit.
eddie bravo
Do it, man.
brendan schaub
Do your thing.
eddie bravo
You're like, that's a long explanation.
joe rogan
No, no, listen.
Brendan, it was my fault.
eddie bravo
I'm trying to explain shit.
This is my shit.
joe rogan
This is your shit.
brendan schaub
Let me explain it.
Do it, man.
Do your thing.
I thought we were wrapping shit up.
joe rogan
It was, but it was my fault because I forgot this is something I wanted to bring up because I saw John Donaher posted about it.
This is some deep shit.
And, uh, I forgot to ask it, so it's not him, it was me.
I just got fucked up.
eddie bravo
The question you asked is real.
joe rogan
I mean, you fucked up.
brendan schaub
The NMN, the UFC... Well, no, you told me we were ending.
eddie bravo
Hey, if you wanted to leave, you could leave.
brendan schaub
No, I'm good, brother.
Don't get offensive.
I thought we were shutting down.
joe rogan
Don't use your feelings, man.
eddie bravo
Do your thing, brother.
brendan schaub
Listen, my feelings are not hurt.
eddie bravo
You're the one that's saying, oh, shit, this is supposed to be... I'm trying to explain shit.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I interrupted.
You were just going to say EBIA and then I brought in, because I realized this was something I wanted to cover.
So we, yes.
eddie bravo
Is that okay, Brandon?
joe rogan
You're technically correct.
No, I think we're both right.
unidentified
I think we're both right, because he was like, let's wrap this bitch up.
brendan schaub
I plugged my dates.
eddie bravo
You were like ready to go.
You're like, fuck!
Damn, you were ready.
Okay, I get it.
You're in trouble.
You have to be.
brendan schaub
No, not in the least bit.
Not in the least bit.
eddie bravo
You had to be home like 35 minutes ago.
unidentified
No, not in the least bit.
joe rogan
We're getting off track, man.
We're getting off track because I want to hear this idea.
So you can smack the head into the body with an open palm?
eddie bravo
Before EBI, I was trying to get combat jiu-jitsu through.
The most, the jiu-jitsu style that would most best prepare you for a career in MMA.
So that's what I was trying to do.
I had a couple fights.
We did it at University MMA.
I got it cleared through the commission.
But I knew that we couldn't have it done in a cage and three three-minute rounds.
That wasn't going to cut it.
So that's when I decided, fuck it, I'm not getting the rules I want.
Let me just do EBI.
Submission only.
No strikes.
brendan schaub
Submission only.
eddie bravo
Get that going.
See what happens.
And then later, I'm going to come back and bring back combat jiu-jitsu.
And that's what I'm doing now.
I'm not eliminating EBI.
Who knows what's going to happen in the future?
I don't know what it's going to be like.
But the first show in 2017 is going to be a 16-man tournament, just like it's always been.
Submission only.
Same rules.
brendan schaub
Same overtime.
eddie bravo
But in between every round, we're going to have a It's a four-man combat jiu-jitsu match where there's palm strikes allowed.
brendan schaub
It's not MMA.
eddie bravo
It's not the most gangster.
brendan schaub
It just makes jiu-jitsu a little more honest.
eddie bravo
You want to do this style?
How about I slap you in the face?
Let's get a little more real.
brendan schaub
Can they knock him out or no?
eddie bravo
It's called finish-only jiu-jitsu because you can fucking TKO a guy, you can knock a guy out, or you can finish him.
joe rogan
Can I ask you this?
eddie bravo
Finish only, self-submission only.
joe rogan
What about karate chops?
Are you allowing karate chops?
eddie bravo
No, just palm strikes.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, you can kind of bring it like it's a palm strike, but you're hitting with the blade of the hand, and if you do that, you could knock fucking people out for sure.
I mean, really, you'd be well served to just ground and pound and drop these karate chops that look like bitch slaps.
Because if you're just talking about, or, One of the things that Bas Rutten showed is that if you can get your hand flexibility good, Bas Rutten figured out how to pull his hands way back, and he was fucking guys up by punching like a real punch.
Like, they drop those palms down on you.
It doesn't hurt.
See, that's the thing.
You can hit shit super hard with your palm.
brendan schaub
You don't break it either.
joe rogan
Right.
You break shit with your knuckles.
It's really almost a better way to strike.
eddie bravo
That could be a problem with a rich hand, but we're going to learn as we go and there's going to be some tweaks.
Big John is very instrumental in all this.
The commissioned camo is all legit.
It's not some Indian reservation shit.
We're doing it all legit.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
And we're going to bring it in slowly.
Right now, so we have a 60-man tournament, but in between every round we have room for three fights to have a four-man tournament.
We need three fights.
brendan schaub
Because if there's hitting, you have to have commission now.
Because jiu-jitsu, there's no commission, right?
joe rogan
But do you worry about people getting hurt?
Do you worry about people getting hurt?
eddie bravo
People are going to get hurt!
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have to have different kind of services on hand.
eddie bravo
Insurance and stuff, right?
Now, since we're doing this, along with the 16-man tournament, with regular EBI rules, we're going to have a four-man combat jiu-jitsu.
We're going to have the commission there.
There's going to be all the stands.
Here's what I think.
that the commission wants, we're doing, and we're gonna bring it in.
Who knows, it could go two ways.
It could be a complete disaster, or it could be fucking something that just takes off, and we can't even go back to regular EBI rules.
brendan schaub
I don't fucking know. - Here's what I think.
eddie bravo
- We're gonna go through it. - You need both.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think that it's a good idea.
It's a really good idea.
But I think that to achieve the highest levels of Jiu Jitsu in like the technical sense, I don't think you can have too much striking.
I think as soon as you start throwing whacks and slaps in there, like it changes shit.
Because once a guy gets that off, like all your job is now just to defend against that.
Maybe you would be offensive Jiu Jitsu-wise.
eddie bravo
That's very important.
joe rogan
I think it is.
eddie bravo
So we're gonna have both.
We're gonna have both.
joe rogan
I think both is the way.
eddie bravo
So all this combat jiu-jitsu is, is we're not, the focus isn't trying to hurt anybody.
There will be people that take advantage of the rules and really focus on fucking bas-rut and palm strikes.
There's gonna be TKOs.
brendan schaub
It's finish only.
joe rogan
There's also gonna be guys that elbow you.
eddie bravo
They're gonna slap.
brendan schaub
Elbows are illegal.
joe rogan
But even if it's illegal, if you're going like this, and this, They coming down with slaps, they might easily add that to it and there's not a whole lot you can do to stop that.
eddie bravo
That's going to be considered like a knee on a grounded opponent.
We're going to treat it the exact same way.
There might be disqualifications.
It might be a disaster.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I like it.
I'm just staying in the elbow thing.
eddie bravo
From day one, the plan for 10th Planet, from day one, was to try to make jujitsu more effective for when there's strikes.
That's always been the plan from day one.
Always.
And now there's an opportunity to make that a reality.
And who knows?
Maybe it's a disaster, maybe it takes off.
brendan schaub
I don't know, but we're going to do both.
And you know, I just would, me personally, I think if you add some palm strikes, it's gonna make your jiu-jitsu more real, more honest, and not MMA.
We're not dealing with striking, standing.
eddie bravo
Combat Jiu-Jitsu, standing is just wrestling.
No striking at all.
brendan schaub
So this is going to attract three different types of people.
eddie bravo
It's going to attract grapplers, Jiu-Jitsu and wrestlers that want to eventually transition into MMA.
This sport is going to be a great way to get their feet wet.
Also, it's going to take people that have had 18 and then they fights and they realize this is just too fucking intense, but I'll do this combat jiu-jitsu shit This is tanger they look at it.
It's tame Lightweight shit.
It depends where you're coming from and then there's There's gonna be three there's gonna be a third type of person It's just a jiu-jitsu guy that doesn't want to go anime at all no No dreams.
Never done it.
brendan schaub
No dreams.
eddie bravo
but would love to take it to the next level because it's obvious.
If you add jujitsu with some fucking palm strikes, it keeps it a little more honest.
Because when there's no strikes and it's just pure jujitsu, I love that.
But at the same time, you're watching shit happen.
You're like, man, that wouldn't happen in a real goddamn fight here.
brendan schaub
And that wouldn't happen in a real goddamn fight here.
So as a fan of the sport, as a fan who came in through the UFC, through MMA, That's what got me into jujitsu is the fighting.
So, to me, it's important that we develop a Jiu Jitsu system and a sport that goes along with it that prepares you.
eddie bravo
It's a Jiu Jitsu style, combat Jiu Jitsu, that will prepare you more for either MMA or real life.
A little more.
joe rogan
Well you know one way you can look at it is like we have boxing, then we have kickboxing, then we have Muay Thai, then we have MMA.
You have Jiu Jitsu and you have combat Jiu Jitsu.
It's another level.
UFC's the best.
Just like Muay Thai.
Muay Thai over boxing.
Okay, let's boxing.
What about kicks?
What about leg kicks?
Let's throw that in there.
I like it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
So it's jiu-jitsu with some strikes, no big deal.
And when is this going to go down?
joe rogan
November 6th?
eddie bravo
November 6th is the light heavyweights, no combat jiu-jitsu.
December 2nd in Mexico City is the bantamweights.
Gio Martinez defending his title.
joe rogan
In Mexico City?
eddie bravo
That's just the same.
joe rogan
No air, son.
eddie bravo
But we have two shows coming up.
That's not being changed, but the first show in 2017, we don't have a date yet, it's going to be the 170 welterweight championship.
Gary Tonin is the 170 champion, the welterweight champion.
He's going to come back.
That's going to be regular EBI rules, but we're also going to have a Four-man tournament of combat jiu-jitsu on the side, simultaneously going along with it.
Who knows how it's going to turn out.
I don't even know how the fuck it's going to turn out.
But we got the support of the Camo Athletic Commission, and we're going to do it.
We're going to learn from it.
brendan schaub
Because there isn't a sport like that.
eddie bravo
We don't know how it's going to look, and where people are going to exploit little holes, and we're going to have to tweak shit.
brendan schaub
We don't know.
But the rules are?
eddie bravo
The basic rules are, if one guy is on the ground, like, if you pull guard, and you're on their back, and I'm standing, horse stance style, I could fucking palm strike you.
Right?
If I got knee on the belly on you, I could palm strike you.
joe rogan
But it has to be on top.
You have to be on top on the ground.
eddie bravo
As soon as a guy is grounded, which means if a guy pulls guard he's grounded, as soon as one guy is grounded, palm strikes can commence.
joe rogan
What about when you're coming up?
Like say if you go to dogfight and then you get to one knee and you pop back up and you're both standing up, when can he stop striking you?
eddie bravo
When you get to dogfight...
That's a good question, because sometimes you're in dogfight on your knees, and sometimes you're standing.
joe rogan
And someone can just uppercut you boss rootin' style in the face and knock you the fuck out.
eddie bravo
Yeah, we're gonna have to- that's a very good question right there.
In dogfight, because there's dogfight when both competitors are on their knees, and there's dogfight when they're both standing.
joe rogan
So, just like how in Muay Thai you're not allowed to kick a guy in the head when they're down.
You know, you can trip him, you can take him down, but you can't kick him in the head.
eddie bravo
If you're in dogfight and both guys are standing up, no striking.
If you're in dogfight and both guys are on their knees, or one guy's on his knees, you can strike.
It's gonna be something like that.
But really, it's all designed...
It's all designed to make jiu-jitsu more effective as a martial art.
Because if it works and it takes off and people like it and we do it for 10 years and combat jiu-jitsu becomes a sport, I guarantee you the champions of combat jiu-jitsu will translate to MMA a lot easier than champions of other grappling genres.
In my opinion.
I could be wrong but it's just like Seems like a good idea.
joe rogan
I like it.
I like it.
I like it as a new step.
You know, a new step from Jiu Jitsu to MMA.
And EBI, November 6th is the next one.
eddie bravo
November 6th, you can watch it on UFC Fight Pass.
It's a Sunday.
brendan schaub
It starts at 6pm.
eddie bravo
Gordon Ryan is trying to take that light heavyweight championship.
brendan schaub
Vinny Magalias is in it.
eddie bravo
Gibson Saw.
We got some bad motherfuckers in this one.
This is the first time we've done light heavyweight, 205, and there's no champion.
brendan schaub
And Vinny Magalias wants it.
eddie bravo
Gordon Ryan, he's the 185 champion and the absolute champion.
He's trying to take that 205.
That down in her death squad, they're trying to take all the goddamn belts.
Eddie Cummings is going down to 135 to take that Bantamweight belt.
He's trying to, and that's December 2nd in Mexico City.
Gio Martinez, 10th Planet Black Belt, he's the champion.
The Danaher Death Squad, they want all the goddamn belts!
So it's a beautiful thing, man.
There's a serious war going on.
It's a friendly rivalry, and everyone's improving from it, man.
We're looking at what John Danaher's done with them leg locks, and man, everyone's jumping on that and trying to catch up.
brendan schaub
We're knee-deep in that leglock game because of what DDS has done.
And so, you know, we lose a draw.
joe rogan
I like how you broke down to DDS.
eddie bravo
DDS, man.
They got that leglock system down like no motherfuckers on the planet.
brendan schaub
You think you know leglock?
eddie bravo
Oh, I think I can defend leglocks.
brendan schaub
Roll with one of them motherfuckers.
eddie bravo
And see if you could defend leg locks.
So what that's done, what's transpired in EBI with the domination of the DDS squad, it made me realize that, damn, we haven't been paying enough attention to leg locks.
So for the last few years, we've spent a lot of attention on leg locks.
So all the shit that's going down is just making us better.
And we love the rivalry.
There's all these little sexers like the IBJJF guys trying to prove themselves in sub only.
And then there's the DDS guys who are Dominating everybody the fucking up the 10th planet guys geo fucking he's battling like a goddamn Barbarian, and then you got all the random The random guys like Joe Soto from the UFC fucking getting to the finals against Joe Against Eddie Cummings and just going leg lock leg lock from where in the finals Joe Soto UFC 135
Contender he's in there battling with Eddie Cummings leglock for leglock turns out fucking Dave Terrell's a leglock Maniac who his it wasn't a big deal for Joe.
So he did end up getting caught in a leglock But you're seeing those random guys like another random guy the Russian bear fucking Rustem Chizia.
Holy shit So it's it's a beautiful thing that's going on.
We're all trying to win We're all trying to get better work, but it's a friendly rivalry and we all love each other and You know, we're just We're enjoying the ride.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
EBI 6?
eddie bravo
What is it?
joe rogan
EBI 9.
brendan schaub
November 6.
eddie bravo
UFC 5 Pass.
And also, you can get it on UFC.TV or EBIOfficial.com.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
And Cameron Haynes, Cameron R. Haynes on Instagram.
Who the fuck is Cameron Haynes on Instagram?
How does Instagram not change that shit over?
cameron hanes
I don't know.
joe rogan
They need to get on the ball.
cameron hanes
If you search Cameron Haynes, I'll come up.
eddie bravo
You have five and a half hours.
joe rogan
I know, it's crazy.
But if there's another dude named Cameron Haynes, why doesn't he go, look man, just take this shit, I'm gonna call myself Boo Boo.
I got my own heck name.
But Cameron R. Haynes on Instagram, Cameron Haynes on Facebook.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna follow you right now, sir.
joe rogan
You don't use Twitter, huh?
cameron hanes
I do.
joe rogan
You do now?
cameron hanes
No, it goes automatically from Facebook.
joe rogan
Get on Twitter, son.
Don't be scared of Twitter.
Brandon motherfucking Schaub.
We did it already.
We already said what you do.
So we'll end this.
eddie bravo
This was epic.
joe rogan
Goddamn marathon.
eddie bravo
Dude, we went five and a half hours.
joe rogan
We barely covered UFOs.
eddie bravo
Think about that.
I'm done with you.
joe rogan
I'm done, too.
cameron hanes
Thanks, guys.
joe rogan
Thank you, Cameron Haynes.
Thank you, Brennan Shaw.
Thank you, Eddie Bravo.
Thank you, world.
We'll see you soon.
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