Sept. 20, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Yeah. | ||
| And we're live! | ||
| Put that thing down. | ||
| I want you to focus. | ||
| I want you to focus. | ||
| I gotta get into your head, man. | ||
| I gotta find out what you're about. | ||
| Your Instagram's just at Joe Rogan, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you post it? | ||
| Posted. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Turn that over so you can't look at it. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| I wouldn't think that a guy like you would be easily distracted. | ||
| You can't be. | ||
| I'm like, I'm just like on different things. | ||
| If I get on something, I'm on it, and then it's like something else, and my brain is doing so many different things at one time. | ||
| How did you get to be the guy that makes people shit their pants when they watch your videos? | ||
| Because if you haven't seen any of his videos, stop, pause this podcast for perspective. | ||
| Go look up James Kingston. | ||
| What is your YouTube... | ||
| I just put James Kingston. | ||
| James Kingston. | ||
| Yeah, it'll pop up. | ||
| And all forms of social media, right? | ||
| You got Instagram, all that jazz, and there's just ridiculous photos and videos of you doing shit that people watch with their friends and everybody goes, Jesus Christ, and they cringe and your asshole puckles up. | ||
| Like this one. | ||
| Where are you at here? | ||
| Climbing in the Ukraine. | ||
| That's in Ukraine, yeah. | ||
| With Mustang Wanted? | ||
| Is that the guy's name? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So you hooked up with the Russians. | ||
| You out-Russianed the Russians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't say I out-Russianed them, but... | ||
| But that's what they do, right? | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| I think only Russians can out-Russian Russians. | ||
| So he's climbing... | ||
| First of all, how hard is it to get to this tower? | ||
| We're looking at this video, and I am fucking freaking out. | ||
| How high are you up here? | ||
| This one... | ||
| I think it was just over 200 meters. | ||
| This is Mustang. | ||
| Oh my god, he's hanging by one hand. | ||
| This one is the second tallest building in Ukraine, right? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And you go in the bottom and it's like a shopping center. | ||
| And then they took me like through all these little doors and then we took a lift down into like the basement and then we walked through the basement and found another lift. | ||
| Oh my god, he's standing on the edge here. | ||
| Who's standing on the edge? | ||
| You? | ||
| Mustang again. | ||
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Oh my, he's out of his fucking mind. | |
| Holy fuck, this video is hard to watch, man. | ||
| So, and these muscles with your hair. | ||
| What led you to this? | ||
| And how long have you been doing this? | ||
| So I've done parkour for nine years. | ||
| You know what parkour is, right? | ||
| Jumping around, all that fun stuff. | ||
| They have little classes for little kids now. | ||
| They do, yeah. | ||
| It's really cool, yeah. | ||
| And about four years ago, I got to a point where I was, like, satisfied with what I was able to do, right? | ||
| But I was still, like, super scared of heights. | ||
| So I was like, okay, I know that if I want to get over this fear of heights, I need to... | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Face my fear. | ||
| So is this your stuff? | ||
| Is this you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is you running on trees and stuff. | ||
| And the whole idea behind parkour is to use the world around you. | ||
| Steps and fences and all kind of crazy shit. | ||
| And to, you know, you're essentially performing acrobatics with all this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, just jumping around. | ||
| I think the... | ||
| Now how do you do this and not get hurt? | ||
| You just practice a lot. | ||
| The whole idea isn't to go out and just do crazy stuff and risk your life. | ||
| You start slow. | ||
| You start with small jumps and then you progress steadily and sensibly. | ||
| And then eventually you'll get to a point where you can do things that make most people feel a bit sick. | ||
| Well, what did you start doing? | ||
| Did you take gymnastics in school or something? | ||
| No, I was like a little fat kid when I was younger. | ||
| Not super fat, but unhealthy. | ||
| Just played computer games. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| How are you able to jump so far, too? | ||
| That's another thing that freaks me out. | ||
| I've got big legs. | ||
| You know, I'm six foot three, I can jump. | ||
| I know, but there's a lot of people that are six foot three that can't jump from one building to the next. | ||
| I've seen some of the ridiculous ones where you jump from the top of a building to another building, like on a very small ledge that you're landing on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just practice. | ||
| How the fuck do you practice that? | ||
| You start with a jump that's like four foot wide. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then as you get back, you do that hundreds and hundreds of times until that becomes like nothing. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then you'll realize that you can now jump five foot and then blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| My peak's like 11, 11 and a half foot standing jump. | ||
| 11 and a half foot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, you should be in the Olympics. | ||
| They're on another level. | ||
| Yeah, how far can like a long jumper jump? | ||
| 20 feet. | ||
| 20 feet. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I think the record is probably 21, 22. Holy shit. | ||
| But still, 11 feet in between buildings. | ||
| Now, when you're jumping and one building's taller, another building's smaller, it gives you more time to travel, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, when you're jumping, I saw this one video of you. | ||
| You were on the ledge, and you leapt across from one building to another. | ||
| And I'm like, this has got to be Photoshopped. | ||
| This can't even be real. | ||
| The one that you posted. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that one's in Cambridge. | ||
| That one's actually a small jump because there's quite a big height difference. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Massive impact because of the height. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you've got a ledge that's maybe like a foot deep to land on. | ||
| And then there's a scaffolding pole right in front of it that you kind of slam into. | ||
| You can see it in the video. | ||
| I slam into that pole. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| But that's all part of taking the impact. | ||
| Use your arms as well. | ||
| Yeah, but that doesn't seem like something you could practice a lot, right? | ||
| Slamming into something that hard? | ||
| Those ones, you can't practice a lot, but... | ||
| Yeah, you figure it out. | ||
| You figure out how to take impact and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you started doing this about four years ago, right? | ||
| You started doing the height stuff? | ||
| Started doing the climbing kind of scary stuff. | ||
| And when did you start releasing videos? | ||
| Right away? | ||
| Um... | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I mean, I'd release... | ||
| This is the one? | ||
| This is the one, yeah. | ||
| Oh, this one makes me shit my pants. | ||
| That seems so far. | ||
| That seems so far. | ||
| How far is it? | ||
| No, it's not that far. | ||
| You could jump to the lower bit there quite easily. | ||
| That's what other people have done. | ||
| You slam right into that pole. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, that is bananas, dude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So how much is the distance between those two buildings? | ||
| Between those... | ||
| Probably like 10 foot, 12 foot maybe. | ||
| It does not seem like you can do it. | ||
| Because there's a big drop as well, it's more about judging it correctly and not jumping too far and not jumping too little. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I'd say like 12 foot, I think. | ||
| Run that one more time, Jamie. | ||
| I just want to see this one more time because this freaks me out every time I see it. | ||
| Every time I see it, I'm like, well, he's going to die for sure. | ||
| There's no way he can make it. | ||
| So you kind of like lean forward and then swing your arms and then push off of it. | ||
| Just like a standard rule jump. | ||
| Because you're already committing to the jump as you're leaning forward. | ||
| You can see it in your momentum. | ||
| Your head, because you have a GoPro on, is above, it's past the center line of that beam that you're standing on. | ||
| And you're going out there. | ||
| Once you're gone, that's it. | ||
| But that's the idea. | ||
| You train enough so that when you're stood on the edge looking at something, you have no doubt. | ||
| You can't afford to have any doubt. | ||
| If I doubted myself there, and I commit to it, and I lean, and then I back out, I'm dead. | ||
| I had a crazy dream last night, man, that I'm just remembering. | ||
| I had a crazy dream that I was climbing with Alex Honnold. | ||
| Alex has been on the podcast before. | ||
| Every now and then I'll think about how crazy he is, about how crazy what he does is, but how, like, mellow and, like, calm he is about it, you know? | ||
| Like, you know, when he was describing climbing, he's like, it's really actually kind of mellow. | ||
| It's like, if anything is, like, if you're really scared, something's gone horribly wrong, and it's really, really bad. | ||
| It's exactly the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People think I'm, like, an adrenaline junkie. | ||
| Base jumping? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unless he just fell. | ||
| I'm sure he pulls it out right there at the end. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Dude, fuck all that. | ||
| Is this Alex? | ||
| That's not him. | ||
| I don't think so, no. | ||
| It looks like, oh my god. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| See, I'm not into that. | ||
| That's too much trust in a backpack. | ||
| Everything I do is like a little me. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That, yeah. | ||
| Not into that. | ||
| My friend Andy, Andy Stump, he does that wingsuit shit. | ||
| He's got the world record in wingsuit flying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's out of his fucking mind. | ||
| He just loves to do that. | ||
| He gets to the top cliffs of the world and just throws his fucking body off. | ||
| And has like a squirrel suit. | ||
| Like the close proximity stuff where they're just like... | ||
| We watched one the other day where a guy slammed into a bridge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He missed. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The sound. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| I don't know why I didn't expect it to be so loud. | ||
| The meat. | ||
| And there was people on the bridge. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And his family were there. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you worry about that when you're doing these crazy jumps? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| I mean, it's in my mind. | ||
| Like, if I make a mistake, that's it. | ||
| But I don't make mistakes. | ||
| That's what... | ||
| You've got to be confident. | ||
| You've got to have... | ||
| Confidence in what you're doing. | ||
| Otherwise, if you're up there and you're scared, the chances of failing are so much higher, I think. | ||
| Yeah, I think with anything. | ||
| I mean, you have to be in the moment, right? | ||
| Well prepared in the moment. | ||
| How much of what you're doing, is it really you taking a chance? | ||
| And how much of it is just you having a better understanding of what your body's capable of than the average person? | ||
| Than most people, I should say, not the average person. | ||
| Taking chances, maybe like 10%. | ||
| Wow, that's interesting. | ||
| And that's only on me taking chances and trusting structures. | ||
| Like maybe jumping to something that I'm not able to check first. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it doesn't happen often. | ||
| Every time I do it, I'm like, probably shouldn't have done that. | ||
| It's really interesting also that you picking this up four years ago is sort of like where social media, it's around the time where social media really started to take off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe a couple years before that it did, but like YouTube videos of do people doing crazy shit really between like six and seven years ago That's when it really is that right? | ||
| Am I saying that right? | ||
| Yeah, like 2010 ish is a really sort of take off. | ||
| Yeah, so you kind of caught You caught that wave, you know, I didn't you know, I didn't really get anywhere to any kind of good decent like following on YouTube until Three four years ago. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I released my first like crane climb Video that that blew up and went super viral and that was that kicked everything off and then because of that video I nailed a TV show in the in the UK on Channel 4 and then that was Everything just took off then Wow now these Russian cats you were hanging out with in the Ukraine we climbed up on that tower Mm-hmm. | ||
| Um, there's a lot of those guys like you see. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of videos Yeah, like what is it about Russians? | ||
| And climbing on what is it about these crazy kids? | ||
| Why they're so nutty? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's something I've been trying to figure out. | ||
| I've only been to Ukraine. | ||
| I haven't been to Russia. | ||
| But there's not much going on there. | ||
| There's not much to live for in Russia or Ukraine. | ||
| I don't want to sound mean. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| And there's so much kind of They're just familiar with death and violence and stuff like that. | ||
| Mustang, he goes out, I don't know, every week and goes to organize fights, just like street fights, and just beats the hell out of random people. | ||
| That, to me, is like... | ||
| So beyond me because I'm still an English boy. | ||
| So he does those organized street fights where they like five guys take on five guys? | ||
| Just like big groups. | ||
| I've seen those, yeah. | ||
| He does that, and I was like, what? | ||
| So he just does everything crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And he just does it all for the thrill? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| What a weird way to live. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's a weird way to have your brain wired. | ||
| It was such an interesting kind of insight when I was there to... | ||
| People like that. | ||
| So how do you make contact with these guys? | ||
| Do you speak Ukraine or whatever they speak over there? | ||
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Russian? | |
| What do they speak? | ||
| Both usually. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Both. | ||
| Ukraine and Russian, yeah. | ||
| So it was organized for me to go meet him for the TV show I did in the UK and that was... | ||
| A part of that show was me going to Ukraine to meet somebody else that did similar things. | ||
| And that was why I met him. | ||
| So they somehow or another got in contact with him through his YouTube videos or something along those lines? | ||
| Wow, what a strange world we live in now, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can go to that place and risk your life with a bunch of other crazy people. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| I guess, yeah. | ||
| Now, what has it been like for you to become famous for being like this crazy risk taker? | ||
| I wouldn't say I'm, like, super famous. | ||
| You're pretty famous. | ||
| I know who you are. | ||
| I told my friends. | ||
| They're like, oh, that dude's crazy. | ||
| I mean, how many millions of hits do your videos have? | ||
| Fucking millions, man. | ||
| I've got a bunch of million videos, yeah. | ||
| That's famous, man. | ||
| That's what's called famous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Unless it's one dude who's watching it over and over again. | ||
| That's just my mum. | ||
| Mum, my boy, he's alive! | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a bit weird? | ||
| It's weird, yeah. | ||
| Like, you're famous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess it's the same as that, but on a much smaller scale. | ||
| Yeah, but you're famous for doing, like, risk-taking. | ||
| I'm just famous for talking shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's easy to talk shit. | ||
| You just have to say funny things or be ridiculous. | ||
| But you're famous for, like, literally doing something that makes people shit their pants when they look at a video of it. | ||
| I look at videos of the stuff you do, and I start, Jamie will tell you, I start squeezing, I'm like... | ||
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I go, oh, what the fuck is he doing? | |
| I don't, you know, I don't have any desire to do what you're doing. | ||
| That's why my dream about Alex, about climbing with Alex, like, here's one. | ||
| Yeah, this is the first one. | ||
| So this was the first big one I ever released. | ||
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What year was this? | |
| This video literally changed my life. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What are we in now? | ||
| 2016. That's three years ago. | ||
| Three years ago, yeah. | ||
| You're climbing over some water. | ||
| Was this the first time you had done something like this? | ||
| No, so I'd done a couple other ones, but this was the biggest, and this was like the first big one that I'd hung off. | ||
| Goddamn, dude. | ||
| It's funny because I live just next to that now, which is really cool. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Dude, if you fell, that would not be good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Even into water. | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| People are like, oh, it's just the water. | ||
| You'd survive. | ||
| You're doing chin-ups. | ||
| Oh, you're dead. | ||
| You're out of your fucking mind, man. | ||
| What are you doing, dude? | ||
| What were you thinking right now when you're hanging above that water? | ||
| First of all, are your hands sweaty? | ||
| No, my hands sweat when I'm not doing anything, but when I'm doing this stuff... | ||
| Who's filming you right now? | ||
| So my friend, Simon, was up there with me, and another friend, Doug, was there too. | ||
| What do you think Simon and Doug would do if you fell? | ||
| Would they just hurry up real down and... | ||
| Oh Jesus, you're going one-handed! | ||
| You motherfucker, dude! | ||
| Like, what are you thinking while you're doing this? | ||
| You know what, just like Alex Honnold said, there's not much going on. | ||
| It's just me in that moment. | ||
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But there is, because it's the first time you've done it. | |
| Thinking about what you're going to eat for breakfast. | ||
| You know what, most of the time when you get to a situation where you're about to do something that you've never done before and you kind of, naturally your brain kind of hypes it up and makes it seem a lot worse than what it actually is and then you do it and you're like, why the fuck was I scared of that? | ||
| That was exactly the same. | ||
| Well, you were scared of that because if you fell, you're fucking dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's not rocket science. | ||
| That's a thick pole you're hanging on, too. | ||
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Yeah, but hanging's easy. | |
| It's not like a small pole. | ||
| Hanging's, like, super easy. | ||
| Can you do a one-arm chin-up? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not, like, particularly strong. | ||
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Oh, fucking Christ, dude. | |
| At all. | ||
| Please work on that. | ||
| You should be able to do a one-arm chin-up. | ||
| I've got, like, massive limbs, man. | ||
| It's not easy to do one-arm chins when you're this big. | ||
| But there's got to be some CrossFit guys that can do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like strength isn't in my genes. | ||
| No? | ||
| I just don't have it. | ||
| You definitely have some strength. | ||
| You were hanging from your fucking... | ||
| How long did you hang for? | ||
| So I hung three times, probably like 30 seconds each time. | ||
| It's hard to hang 30 seconds. | ||
| 30 seconds is tough. | ||
| It's not when normal stuff is swinging around and all that stuff. | ||
| It's quite easy. | ||
| But most people overestimate the amount of time they can hang. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had this thing on Fear Factor where people had to hold on to a bar and hang over a river, and girls beat the guys. | ||
| Yeah, interesting because girls don't weigh as much. | ||
| So the girls, you know, they would be like 110 pounds. | ||
| They'd be able to hang on for a couple minutes, whereas the guys at about a minute and a half, they were all dropping off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I weigh 200 pounds. | ||
| That's a lot of weight to carry around in your hands. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm a bit fat at the moment. | ||
| I don't know how you could possibly allow yourself to get fat when you're jumping across. | ||
| I think every ounce is important. | ||
| Backpackers lose weight. | ||
| They don't have as much body weight to carry around. | ||
| I need to lose it. | ||
| I need to sort my life out. | ||
| You're doing crazy shit. | ||
| So this is like what you do professionally now, right? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| How does that work? | ||
| Like what is a normal day? | ||
| A normal day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you go out, jump over a building? | ||
| Not particularly exciting, you know, the normal day. | ||
| I do a lot of work behind the scenes, just editing and emails and just boring stuff that people don't see. | ||
| Administrative duties. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| It has to be done. | ||
| But it just works the same as any other online influencer. | ||
| You get a big following, opportunities come your way, and if you do something like that that's a bit different and a bit... | ||
| I guess crazy to most people, even cooler opportunities coming away. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've got YouTube money, you've got like merchandise on my website, you've got sponsored videos and sponsors. | ||
| That's it, really. | ||
| So you work directly with sponsors? | ||
| You have like an agent or a manager? | ||
| Yeah, I've got a manager, yeah. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Kid, you're going places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're smoking a big cigar. | ||
| Listen, we're going to have to take it to the next level. | ||
| Can you walk on your hands? | ||
| Can you walk on your hands on top of the Russians? | ||
| The Russians are walking on their hands. | ||
| I can't beat the Russians, man. | ||
| You can't? | ||
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Nah. | |
| They go too crazy. | ||
| How many of them die? | ||
| A lot, I think. | ||
| There's a few videos floating around of people falling off cranes and shit. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| But it's super, like, ugh. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| It's not nice to look at, yeah. | ||
| Have you seen any of those videos? | ||
| No, I haven't seen any of those videos. | ||
| You don't want to see them. | ||
| Well, the wingsuit guy flying into the bridge the other day, I thought I didn't want to see it, but then I watched it six times in a row. | ||
| But it blacks out before he hits, right? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Have you found the... | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, you see him bounce off the bridge, and it sounds like a car accident. | ||
| It's a bang sound. | ||
| I've heard the bang, but I haven't seen it. | ||
| I don't know why I didn't expect the bang, but it sounds like a car accident. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| It's the screams afterwards that get me. | ||
| Yeah, it's all bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of it's bad. | ||
| The people going, oh my. | ||
| But that is half of the reason why these people are watching, is the possibility that that could happen, even though they don't want it to happen, that accentuates the thrill. | ||
| It's a strange thing, isn't it? | ||
| Because I hate watching stuff like that, but there's something in me that's like... | ||
| I can't not click it. | ||
| How could you say you hate watching stuff like that because you do daredevil videos? | ||
| I mean, I hate watching people die. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, I understand that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But do you like watching people live? | ||
| Do you like watching people take risks and live? | ||
| Or do you go, oh, Jesus. | ||
| I don't really watch that much stuff. | ||
| So you just do it? | ||
| I just do stuff, yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So do you look at the competitors? | ||
| Is there a bunch of you that are pushing the boundaries and you're like, huh? | ||
| Nah, I literally have no interest in beating other people or making something better or more dangerous than other people. | ||
| I have no interest in that. | ||
| I'm doing it because I love it. | ||
| And I love making videos. | ||
| Did you see those guys that were walking on their hands, and they were doing flips, and then they were doing hoverboards on the edge of this building? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one I have a real problem with. | ||
| Yeah, it's rough. | ||
| Because I've been on hoverboards before, and sometimes you fall off. | ||
| Sometimes they fuck up. | ||
| Sometimes they stop working. | ||
| Sometimes shit goes wrong. | ||
| Like, you're trusting some cheaply made Chinese hunk of shit. | ||
| Ah, Jesus! | ||
| Oh, you fucks! | ||
| I can't- Oh, he's spinning around in circles! | ||
| This bothers me so much. | ||
| And he's like literally like getting to the edge and spinning around. | ||
| I mean, inches from fucking certain depth and moving quite quickly, by the way. | ||
| I mean, I don't think it's that bad. | ||
|
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Shut the fuck up, of course it's bad. | |
| I've been in one of those and it's quite easy. | ||
|
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Shut it off, Jamie! | |
| He's got his hands! | ||
| He's on his hands, dude! | ||
| He's standing on his hands on a fucking hoverboard on a building on the top of the world. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| These people are crazy. | ||
| Look, my hands are soaking wet. | ||
| Russian. | ||
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Russian. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're different folk, right? | ||
| Yeah, and they're their own species. | ||
| Yeah, they're definitely wild folk. | ||
| Just the ability to do that and this new thing that we have now where you can take videos of it and just upload it instantly. | ||
| You don't have to have any sort of a network or anything that approves it. | ||
| You put up your own thing and then boom, all of a sudden you're like, you're a one-man show. | ||
| You know what, that's like the most amazing thing about YouTube is it's like, Everybody has a job on YouTube. | ||
| Anybody can go on YouTube, upload stuff, get paid for it, right? | ||
| That's just so cool. | ||
| And then if you make good stuff that's inspiring people or people enjoy... | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| It's very strange, right? | ||
| It's a completely new world that I don't think anybody anticipated that we're going to have individual content providers who are essentially going to be like their own network. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, what kind of an obligation do you have to the people that are watching your show? | ||
| How often do you post stuff? | ||
| I have no, like, set schedule. | ||
| I probably should. | ||
| I feel like I'd grow a lot more if I had set things. | ||
| Like, the more I upload, the more I grow, and that's just how it works. | ||
| How often can you do that kind of stuff? | ||
| I can't go out and climb stuff every day, you know? | ||
| It's not that simple. | ||
| So how many days a week? | ||
| A good month, in terms of, like, video uploads. | ||
| Would be like three, three or four videos. | ||
| One a week is like good for me. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because some people... | ||
| I'm trying to up it. | ||
| I'm trying to do better, but... | ||
| But it's hard though, right? | ||
| It's difficult, yeah. | ||
| Just given the nature of what you do. | ||
| And I live in the UK most of the time, and the weather there is just like pants. | ||
| Yeah, you can't be hanging when it's raining out, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's always raining. | ||
| Oh, fuck that. | ||
| Oh, you get up there and there's dew, but your friends are there with the camera. | ||
| You're like, let's towel it off. | ||
| I've had a few dewy situations. | ||
| Oh, fuck that. | ||
| And you climb and it's normal, and then when you get to the top, that's what it's like. | ||
| Where did this wetness come from? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Why don't you put that sticky shit on your hands like football players use? | ||
| Football? | ||
| American football? | ||
| Sticky shit? | ||
| Like chalk? | ||
| No, it's like tar. | ||
| Like glue. | ||
| They spray glue on their hands. | ||
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Like stick em. | |
| Stick em? | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Spray some shit on your hands. | ||
| Make some sticky. | ||
| Like, hmm. | ||
| Thinking to take it into the next level with the sticky shit. | ||
| But then imagine if you're like hanging and you just can't get off. | ||
| Strippers use it too, allegedly. | ||
| There was some stuff that you could buy that you would put on, I think they spray on their legs, so they could cling on to bars better in their hands. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| It also helps not getting like calluses and stuff. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| No, that doesn't make sense because you think like you'd want it to be lubricated then. | ||
| I mean like... | ||
| When they start to, like, get sore and blister. | ||
| If I use chalk, I don't get that. | ||
| Because they either rip off or they stay. | ||
| Yeah, I use chalk. | ||
| I use chalk for weightlifting and stuff like that. | ||
| I sweat a lot, though. | ||
| I have really sweaty hands for whatever reason. | ||
| I'm just a sweaty fuck. | ||
| So when I watch your videos, I start sweating, man. | ||
| I start freaking out. | ||
| Change of clothes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when I used to play pool, I've always found it really hard to use a pool cue that doesn't have a wrap on it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like if it's just a piece of wood that had like a polish or a finish on it. | ||
| So what I would do is I would get that stripper stuff and I'd put it on my hands and that way allows you to like gently hold on to the pool cue. | ||
| This sounds so dorky. | ||
| But this stuff, unfortunately, though, gets on your hands and then you can transfer it to the balls and it makes the balls stick to each other. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| So that's my knowledge of stripper gooky stuff that you can hang on with. | ||
| It's not stick-em, though. | ||
| It's probably something similar. | ||
| But there's also a product that I've used called Dry Hands that's like antiperspirant for your hands. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I found out about this because I tried just antiperspirant. | ||
| Isn't that like liquid chalk? | ||
| Have you seen that stuff? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just like, comes out like a suntan lotion. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| And then it just rubs in and kind of dries out and makes them pretty sticky. | ||
| Ooh, I haven't heard of that. | ||
| Liquid chalk. | ||
| I bet it's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's essentially, somehow or another, they've figured out a way to stop you from sweating if they spray some stuff on you. | ||
| That's what antiperspirant is. | ||
| That's a big thing that people like, right? | ||
| They like to not sweat in their underarms. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| I really have a hard time just watching these videos. | ||
| I can't imagine if this is like the world that you've, you know, I mean, this is the path you've chosen. | ||
| You're one of the top guys in this madness. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah, you are. | ||
| Not for me to say. | ||
| No, but I don't mean in terms of ranking. | ||
| I'm just saying that it's a crazy path to take with your life. | ||
| It's unusual, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's unusual. | ||
| But I've never fit into just the normal world. | ||
| I hated school. | ||
| I ended up quitting school fairly early. | ||
| No qualifications, nothing. | ||
| How old were you when you quit school? | ||
| I can't remember the ages, but it was like... | ||
| What do you have here? | ||
| You have high school and then you have... | ||
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College. | |
| College. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So high school, I quit like two years before the end. | ||
| I think I was like 13, 14. Wow. | ||
| You're like done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| I was so done. | ||
| Really? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Did your parents get mad? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're like, don't worry mom, I climbed trees and shit. | ||
| Yeah, I put my mom through a lot of shit when I was a kid. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 26. So you started off this stuff really early. | ||
| So at 22, you're out there filming these fucking crazy adventures. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did your parents think then? | ||
| Well, I started a little bit of filming just the parkour stuff, maybe in like 2000... | ||
| What are we in now? | ||
| When I was 17, 18 was when I think I first made a video. | ||
| And it was me just jumping between railings and small stuff, you know, safe stuff. | ||
| Mom's like, oh, that's nice. | ||
| And now, I remember when I first showed her that, she was just like... | ||
| I think she hit me around the back of the head. | ||
| How old were you when you showed her the video of you hanging from the crane? | ||
| When I released it, three years ago. | ||
| Right away? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, when you're like, check this out, Mom. | ||
| I never show her... | ||
| She doesn't really know about things until the video's done and it's uploaded. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| And she's like, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what did she say to you when she saw that, besides hitting you? | ||
| Did she ever sit down with you? | ||
| She never hits me. | ||
| She was just like... | ||
| I think she was just... | ||
| Freaked out? | ||
| Blown away, yeah. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| It wasn't, like, encouraging words. | ||
| It was like, what are you doing? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| And do you remember what you said? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I usually just say the same thing. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| Just enjoy it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Now, is there any legal repercussions to doing something like that? | ||
| Has anybody ever gotten mad at you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the UK, there's not really because it's trespass, right? | ||
| And there's no criminal damage or anything. | ||
| Trespass in the UK isn't a criminal offense. | ||
| It's a civil offense. | ||
| So I can only get in trouble for it if the owner of the property... | ||
| For some reason wants to take me to court. | ||
| I'm sweating like a pig over here thinking of you hanging from that bar over that water. | ||
| I'm fucking sweating. | ||
| My hands are sweating. | ||
| My feet are sweating. | ||
| I'm sorry I interrupted you, but so it's just a civil offense? | ||
| Yeah, in the UK it's just a civil offense. | ||
| And if they catch you, what does that mean? | ||
| Like you have to pay a fine or something? | ||
| The people that catch me is usually just the police. | ||
| Somebody sees me, calls the police. | ||
| The police come and they say, what are you doing? | ||
| Try to kind of tell me off and then send me on my way. | ||
| Because there's nothing they can do, which is good for me. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| He's climbing a tower guard. | ||
| There's a guy up there, right? | ||
| Yeah, so this is the tallest thing I've ever climbed, right? | ||
| So you get up there, and there's a dude up there. | ||
| Yeah, so I went up, and then about ten minutes after I got to the top, the crane starts powering up, like spinning and shit. | ||
| And I'm like, what the hell's going on? | ||
| Has somebody got a remote for this crane? | ||
| So I climb back down from the... | ||
| It's one of these, right? | ||
| So there's a little kind of thing here, and then that's the main arm. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I climb down from the backside, and then he's in his little room. | ||
| Doing his crane-y stuff. | ||
| And so you're still climbing, even though you know this thing's gonna move. | ||
| So I spoke to him. | ||
| And he said, hey brother. | ||
| I had a little conversation and I was like, can I climb this crane? | ||
| And then I was like, can you just like leave the crane still, lock it off for like 10 minutes while I do it? | ||
| Because I've come all this way. | ||
| And what did he say? | ||
| And he was like, yes, okay. | ||
| Wow, what a nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And there's people down the bottom. | ||
| This is in Dubai? | ||
| This is in Dubai, the marina, yeah. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| I love Dubai, man. | ||
| Now, when you're doing this and you're climbing, were you worried about being arrested? | ||
| Because if you get arrested in Dubai, that's no joke. | ||
| Yeah, so they say. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Dubai's a funny one. | ||
| I feel like they've got bigger fish to fry and they're kind of dealing with actual serious stuff. | ||
| What happened when I got down, I had to sit with all the site managers and everything for a few hours. | ||
| And the main site manager said, if they phone the police, they'll all lose their jobs. | ||
| So that's kind of how it works. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So usually they just beat the fuck out of you and tell you don't come back? | ||
| They don't, no. | ||
| Never. | ||
| No, but I mean, I'm joking, but they can't be happy that you're doing this, right? | ||
| They weren't, but they also were because it just blew their minds. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Every time it's the same. | ||
| They're like, you shouldn't be doing this. | ||
| They try to tell me off. | ||
| And then when it comes to me leaving, they're like, can we take a picture with you? | ||
| Every time. | ||
| You're so high up here, man. | ||
| How high are you up here right now? | ||
| This is 450 meters. | ||
| What in the fuck, dude? | ||
| I'm just thinking of 450 feet is ridiculous. | ||
| 450 meters, that's insanity. | ||
| The one over the water was only 300 feet, so this is like four times, over four times the size. | ||
| It would take you a long time to hit the ground. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It would. | ||
| So while you're climbing up here, what is going through your mind? | ||
| Are you just being careful and watching your step? | ||
| Yeah, so this one was really greasy. | ||
| It'd been there for two years, I think the driver said. | ||
| And it was just coated in grease and dust on the air. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It was like climbing it like somebody had just smothered it in margarine. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Which is why I'm going slow and I'm getting my feet in the right place. | ||
| So the feet part is slippery too? | ||
| Everything is like butter, yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ, man. | ||
| James, James, James, James, James. | ||
| So you get up to the top. | ||
| Please tell me you don't hang from the top of this. | ||
| I wanted to, but it was just way too slippery, yeah. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| So you made a judgment call while you're there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is such a mindfuck. | ||
| Good lord, you're up. | ||
| By the way, how awesome is Dubai? | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| What a crazy city. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That didn't exist just a few decades ago. | ||
| It's so cool, man. | ||
| It's one of my favorite places. | ||
| Mainly because you can do stuff like this. | ||
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Ah! | |
| What do you do when you get up to the top? | ||
| Do you just throw your hands up like I'm the king of the world? | ||
| Yeah, sometimes. | ||
| Do you ever jerk off up there? | ||
| No. | ||
| That'd be a feat. | ||
| There's a light up there in case a fucking plane hits it. | ||
| That's how high you are. | ||
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That's how high it is. | |
| It's so hard to watch. | ||
| So how many hours did it take you to get up there? | ||
| Or how long did it take you? | ||
| I think this took two hours, but it was like... | ||
| So the beginning was, I got there at like 3.30 in the morning. | ||
| And in Dubai they start work at like 3.30 or 4 o'clock because it's cooler. | ||
| And there's just like hundreds and hundreds of these dudes stood outside the entrance to the site. | ||
| So I'm like, how the hell am I going to get into this place? | ||
| And is it dark when this is all going on? | ||
| It was pitch black, yeah. | ||
| And I managed to find, like, a little corner that I could sneak in and then sneak over the fence. | ||
| And there's people everywhere. | ||
| And I don't know how I managed to get in without them seeing me. | ||
| And then as soon as I dropped down, I just dropped to the floor and then crawled across the floor between, like, these scaffolding bars and stuff like that. | ||
| Some Tom Cruise Mission Impossible type shit. | ||
| Yeah, I've had some, like, cool situations, man. | ||
| Some really fun stuff. | ||
| And then I get to the bottom of the crane. | ||
| So the idea is I get to the crane, I climb up, like... | ||
| A bit of the crane and then I get into the building. | ||
| That's the easiest way in usually. | ||
| Because to climb the crane for 450 meters is just like insane. | ||
| Especially in that heat. | ||
| It's a killer. | ||
| And I had like just one of these. | ||
| One bottle of water is holding up. | ||
| So it takes you a couple hours and you're going through the building first. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it took me a while to get up the crane and then in because I've got a backpack and it's hot and it's like dry and it's hard to breathe. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, it was the wrong time of the year to do it really. | ||
| And then I get in and then it's just stairs and stairs and stairs. | ||
| That's crazy that you get there at 3.30 and everybody's just showing up for work too. | ||
| So they work 3.30 until like early morning and then they quit? | ||
| They seem to work non-stop, those guys. | ||
| I don't know how they do it. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| And they're probably paid like two bucks a day or something. | ||
| Yeah, there was a whole vice special on it about some of the more unscrupulous builders out there. | ||
| What they do is they go to third world countries. | ||
| They promise these people a certain amount of money and then they bring them over to... | ||
| A better life, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, then they're going to be able to send money home and change their family's lives. | ||
| So they go there and take these jobs and they take their passports away. | ||
| They give them a fraction of what they were offered and then they live in squalor. | ||
| I think I've seen it. | ||
| They live out in the middle of nowhere and they all have these shared showers and toilets. | ||
| Toilets like a hole in the ground. | ||
| It was awful. | ||
| That's how you get a city built that quick. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| But as a completed entity, as a thing, it's pretty impressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, as a city. | ||
| It's amazing, yeah. | ||
| It's one of the coolest cities I've ever been. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're just pushing, you know, they're just leveling up all the time. | ||
| Have you seen the new big, what's it called? | ||
| Like the London Eye. | ||
| They're building a London Eye in Dubai, in the marina, and it's like so much bigger. | ||
| What is a London Eye? | ||
| Have you been to London? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Ferris wheel. | |
| Oh, the Ferris wheel. | ||
| That's what it's called, the London Eye? | ||
| London Eye, yeah. | ||
| But they're building a bigger one? | ||
| They're building that times like five or something ridiculous, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've been by that. | ||
| I haven't been on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Been on the one in Seattle. | ||
| I want to go there. | ||
| I want to go there. | ||
| Around Christmas when it's cooler and see if I can get. | ||
| 690 foot high Dubai Eye will be the world's largest Ferris wheel upon completion in 2015, it says. | ||
| It's not finished. | ||
| Those motherfuckers. | ||
| Unions. | ||
| Last time I saw it, it was just the... | ||
| You need to get more slaves. | ||
| You need to kidnap more people. | ||
| Get them to work. | ||
| When you get on a Ferris wheel now, do you go to Disneyland and be like, what kind of bullshit is this? | ||
| The last time I went to Disneyland was here, and I went, I think, two years ago. | ||
| And yeah, I was like... | ||
| You'll be like, ooh, Space Mountain, ooh, Tower of Terror. | ||
| I think Space Mountain was the best one. | ||
| It's pretty badass. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's even better now because it's like Star Wars themed. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's permanently Star Wars themed. | ||
| It's going to be Guardians of the Galaxy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| They just closed it or brought to. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, they add graphics and stuff like that. | ||
| Spice it up a bit. | ||
| I like the old teacups. | ||
| Yeah, those are fun. | ||
| They're fun, yeah. | ||
| But for a guy like you, who experiences real life and death fears, that Disneyland shit's got to be boring as hell, man. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty boring. | ||
| It's pretty boring, but it's like something you've got to do once in your life, right? | ||
| I bought like a little Mickey Mouse and... | ||
| There's an adult version out here. | ||
| You've got to go to Six Flags. | ||
| Six Flags, yeah. | ||
| What's the one that's opposite California something that's right next to Disneyland? | ||
| Oh, California Adventure. | ||
| Yeah, that's just a little... | ||
| That was good. | ||
| Yeah, that's really good. | ||
| I feel like the rides were better. | ||
| Well, they're more adult-oriented, but they have a bunch of kids' rides there, too. | ||
| Six Flags is way more... | ||
| Some of their roller coasters are just fucking ridiculous. | ||
|
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Big time. | |
| They're way crazier. | ||
| Way crazier. | ||
| But it's a different thing. | ||
| It's more like older people. | ||
| It's more like high school age and up. | ||
| Versus Disneyland is really fun for little kids. | ||
| Six Flags, a lot of shit is not even designed for little kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some of those ones where you go upside down, some of the rollercoaster ones, the same one, what is it, X Factor or something like that? | ||
| X something or another? | ||
| I should go while I'm here. | ||
| It's a good one. | ||
| It's exciting. | ||
| But just thinking, to a guy like you, that kind of excitement is probably really bland. | ||
| Yeah, but like I said before, because it's not in my control, it still kind of gets me a bit... | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| So it's good. | ||
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| It scares me a bit. | ||
| Do you think long-term? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Do you think long term as far as how long you can do this stuff? | ||
| Not really, no. | ||
| That seems to be the thing that people tell me the most. | ||
| They're like, well, if this is your job now, surely you've got a limited time to it. | ||
| I'm 26, I would say I've still got another 10 years of good strength, good health in me. | ||
| I don't know, I think in that time I can build something else up so I don't need to worry about what happens. | ||
| So, do you want to stay in some form of entertainment? | ||
| You're kind of like an entertainer, right? | ||
| What do you consider yourself? | ||
| I'm sorry to hit you with all this career goal talk. | ||
| I'm just a dude, but yeah, entertainment is usually what people call me. | ||
| Right, you're a professional dude? | ||
| Professional dude, yeah. | ||
| It's a new distinction. | ||
| So after I did the TV thing, I really enjoyed it, and I've shot a couple pilots since then for things, and I think I'd just like to have my own TV show. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Well, doing what? | ||
| Like, what would you do? | ||
| Do crazy shit? | ||
| Well, the idea at the moment that I shot the pilot for is I travel the world meeting other extreme athletes and I try out what they do. | ||
| And that's, yeah. | ||
| Good luck getting insurance for that show. | ||
| I know, yeah. | ||
| That's going to be a problem. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You might have to shoot it on your own and sell it to somebody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a vice. | ||
| So, like, if, yeah. | ||
| So if you do something like that and somebody falls, then what do you do? | ||
| Do you show it? | ||
| Like if I was there and I filmed it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't, no. | ||
| No? | ||
| What if you show them Fallen and at the end you just put a smiley face? | ||
| Put an emoji? | ||
| Rest in peace, lol. | ||
| LOL. Yeah. | ||
| If you don't see the actual impact, you just see a smiley face. | ||
| Maybe a bouncing smiley face. | ||
| Where they were. | ||
| Doing, doing, doing. | ||
| And then you're... | ||
| That's all, folks. | ||
| Cut to commercial. | ||
| By the time you come back, people are thinking about other things already. | ||
| Their phone's buzzing. | ||
| People are texting them. | ||
| They're trying to get laid. | ||
| Pizza got delivered. | ||
| They're over it. | ||
| I wonder, man. | ||
| What would they tell you? | ||
| If you were doing something for a production company, do you think they would want to include all that stuff? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Surely they're not allowed, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, what are they allowed to do and not to do? | ||
| Have people died on reality shows before? | ||
| I gotta think they must have. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Reality shows have been around for quite a long time. | ||
| But it's the kind of thing that would happen and then they'd... | ||
| To cut it out. | ||
| It's not live though, is it? | ||
| So you can cut it? | ||
| Yeah, you would cut it out, but everybody would find out. | ||
| There was a show... | ||
| The footage always leaks as well. | ||
| Yeah, there's always something. | ||
| But there was a show in the early 2000s where these people were doing some sort of a wilderness adventure type show, like a race through the wilderness. | ||
| They were on rafts or kayaks or something along those lines, on rapids, and a woman got trapped She got wedged in a rock. | ||
| Her boat capsized wedged, and I think she died. | ||
| And that was the first one that I had heard of. | ||
| That was like in the early 2000s. | ||
| But there's gotta be a bunch of them. | ||
| Because there's so many shitty reality shows now, too. | ||
| There's so many production companies that are just... | ||
| Yeah, people are going to die. | ||
| Yeah, people must be dying already. | ||
| But is that something that you think about when you're doing this show? | ||
| Like if you're hanging out with these crazy Russian cats and they're doing these things, it is a possibility. | ||
| If you do it a thousand times, there is a possibility that one of those times someone's going to fall. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I've been in situations... | ||
| There was one building in Ukraine where I'm sat... | ||
| I think you shared this clip where I'm walking across the white beams and there's nothing underneath it. | ||
| And we both walk out to the edge and then Mustang climbs down and hangs off it. | ||
| And I'm looking down at him and I'm thinking... | ||
| I can create the image in my head of him slipping and just disappearing. | ||
| Yeah, I've had a few moments like that where I've just kind of tried to imagine what it would look like, but... | ||
| It's not a nice thought. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's definitely not a nice thought. | ||
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No. | |
| But that's the whole reason why it's interesting. | ||
| It's because it's possible. | ||
| Like if I was doing a video in here of me hanging from a chin-up bar that's only a foot off the ground, nobody would give a shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If I'm there, look everybody, one arm. | ||
| I'm just like James Kingston. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I'm crazy. | ||
| No, there's a floor below me. | ||
| Even if I perform the exact same movements that you do, if my life isn't in danger, it's not even interesting at all. | ||
| The only reason why it's interesting is because your life is in danger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's like one of the funny things about it because it is as simple as hanging off a bar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But people are just like, what? | ||
| Yeah, like, if there's a small ledge... | ||
| Oh, Jesus, there you go. | ||
| Barefoot, huh? | ||
| How come we decided to go barefoot? | ||
| You get better grip, barefoot. | ||
| Mmm, Jesus, son. | ||
| This is that moment, yeah. | ||
| So you're standing up there looking at him. | ||
| So I'm just looking down on him. | ||
| And he's hanging. | ||
| And then he, like, does his stuff. | ||
| Oh, he's going one-handed. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| He only goes one-handed for a little bit. | ||
| Then he goes back to one-handed. | ||
| Oh, you fucker. | ||
| You fucker, you're freaking me out. | ||
| You're freaking me out. | ||
| He's just hanging there, too, by the way. | ||
| He's hanging there. | ||
| He's still hanging there. | ||
| He's one-arming it the entire time, folks. | ||
| Meanwhile, there's security, like, patrolling around the bottom. | ||
| No idea that we're there. | ||
| Yeah, the clang of his body when it hits that ground. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck! | ||
| And he's laughing and smiling. | ||
| What is he saying? | ||
| His hands are slippery? | ||
| Yeah, it was a strange color. | ||
| You'd end up with chalky hands, but it was a purpley kind of color. | ||
| From the paint? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, dude. | ||
| You guys are out. | ||
| And he's wearing sneakers. | ||
| There's the security down there. | ||
| Oh, Jesus! | ||
| And they got a dog as well. | ||
| Jump on that dog. | ||
| Right from there. | ||
| Dude, um... | ||
| Do you have this desire to keep upping the ante? | ||
| Is that an issue? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| No, I just like... | ||
| Ultimately, I just like creating stuff and I like making videos and I like exploring places. | ||
| I like heights. | ||
| I like jumping between stuff. | ||
| And the natural progression for me is to get higher and things get bigger. | ||
| That's just how it is. | ||
| So it just happens. | ||
| I'm not thinking about it. | ||
| I'm not thinking like, okay, I've just released this. | ||
| Now I need to do something bigger. | ||
| It's just there. | ||
| It's just natural. | ||
| So how do you go about making a video? | ||
| If you decide, I'm going to make a new video, do you have a thought in your head? | ||
| Like, I need to get on the Eiffel Tower. | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| You know, the Eiffel Tower was never a plan. | ||
| I never thought, let's go to Paris and do the Eiffel Tower. | ||
| Did you do the Eiffel Tower? | ||
| I've done the Eiffel Tower, yeah. | ||
| So how'd you do it? | ||
| If it's not a plan, how'd you do it? | ||
| So I was in Denmark, just traveling around with a bunch of friends, and instead of getting in the minivan and driving all the way back to London, I was like, no, I don't want to sit in a van for 15 hours. | ||
| Let's just fly somewhere and continue this adventure. | ||
| So me and my friend flew to Paris. | ||
| And then the next day, we ended up climbing down the tower. | ||
| Do you think this kind of stuff was being done before people were videotaping it? | ||
| Yeah, it must have been. | ||
| It must have been. | ||
| I feel like for certain people, it's just in them to kind of explore places you shouldn't really explore. | ||
| For you, it seems like something that was fostered, though, right? | ||
| Because you started off just doing the parkour stuff, and then this became of it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| When I was a kid, I was a naughty little kid. | ||
| I was always trying to do things that I shouldn't. | ||
| Naughty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think now I'm just a big version of what I was then. | ||
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Wow. | |
| There's some pretty cool videos if you look up on YouTube of like urban exploration and people are finding weird pathways and like, oh shit, look, 60 feet underground, we made it, and there's this shit that's been buried under here. | ||
| Wonder why it's buried and look, old electronics in the 50s and stuff like that. | ||
| Like uncovering the hatch in Lost. | ||
| Sort of like that. | ||
| Well, that's very interesting to me, but what I'm really most fascinated by is this willingness to put your life in mortal danger. | ||
| And then how exciting this is for people to watch. | ||
| What's the most viewed video that you have? | ||
| How many hits does it have? | ||
| I think just over four million. | ||
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That's a lot of fucking people. | |
| This one's got a few million, I think. | ||
| This is you. | ||
| You get up to the top. | ||
| So we climbed and we just pushed it too far. | ||
| We went up to the very top platform. | ||
| Have you been to Paris? | ||
| No. | ||
| Have you been to the Alpha Tower? | ||
| So you can take the lift up, right? | ||
| You can walk. | ||
| You can take the stairs to the second platform. | ||
| That's the highest you can take the stairs to. | ||
| There is stairs to the top, but they don't allow it because they're weird and narrow. | ||
| So you take the lift to the top, and then there's a door that's always manned by a security guard that is the door to that staircase, and that's where we came up from the backside. | ||
| So we went up, and for some reason we just had the urge to just go inside, even though it's lit up, even though there's cameras everywhere. | ||
| And we open that door, I step in to the top platform, and then I just hear this walkie-talkie just go like... | ||
| Like, go crazy in French. | ||
| And I was like, shit... | ||
| We've definitely been seen, let's disappear. | ||
| So then we ran down, we climbed out of the staircase, and then on each, on opposite corners of the tower, in the main beams, there's like, kind of like a little pocket inside the beam that you can jump into. | ||
| It must be like, two by two, like... | ||
| I barely fit into it, right, because I'm huge. | ||
| My friend is small, so he just like, bloop, disappeared into this hole. | ||
| And then we just sat on opposite ends of the tower and hid. | ||
| And the lifts, you start hearing lifts coming up, you start hearing people running up and down the stairs, you see torches, everything's kicking off, and we're hid in these little holes. | ||
| And they're searching for us, and I'm just, like, hiding in this hole. | ||
| I'm like, I've got one shoe off because it wouldn't fit in. | ||
| I've got my knee resting on my shoe. | ||
| I've lost all feeling in my leg because the blood circulation's gone. | ||
| My head's sticking out the top, and I've got, like, my T-shirt over my head like a little ninja. | ||
| And there's people with torches going up and down looking for us. | ||
| So, do you have video of that little pocket that you were in? | ||
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Uh... | |
| It's not in this, no. | ||
| I do have... | ||
| It's only on two sides of the tower, which is strange, but it's kind of similar to this gap here. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| See on the right? | ||
| It's in that corner there. | ||
| I see, yeah. | ||
| And it's like a foot and a half by a foot and a half, I think. | ||
| I barely fit in. | ||
| So how long did they wait? | ||
| So we were in this hole. | ||
| The lift's coming up right now. | ||
| Yeah, this is when it was starting to open up. | ||
| This was like as we... | ||
| So this is like right where you're here. | ||
| Just before we got caught. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we tucked in. | ||
| This was just before we got caught. | ||
| So how'd you get caught? | ||
| Because the lifts start coming up because the staff start coming up to work or to clean or something and they just saw us. | ||
| We're just like running around these beams and there's lifts everywhere. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| So what happens then? | ||
| So we're still in this hole, and we sit in this hole for like two hours, at least two hours, where they're going up and down. | ||
| It goes quiet, so I jump out the hole. | ||
| I have a look around. | ||
| I go and see Stevi. | ||
| Stevi's like half asleep, just chilling in the hole. | ||
| And then I come back to the hole. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, this seems like pretty clear now. | ||
| I think they must have thought that we jumped off with parachutes and we were gone, right? | ||
| Because they couldn't find us. | ||
| And then I was like, yeah, this seems pretty clear. | ||
| And then every single light on the tower goes... | ||
| The whole thing lights up. | ||
| And this isn't like the twinkly lights that they have on every hour at night. | ||
| This is like internal lights that are like this big. | ||
| Light the whole fucking tower up. | ||
| So I jump straight back in the hole. | ||
| I'm like, shit, what's going on? | ||
| And then lifts again, people up and down the stairs again looking for us. | ||
| So we're sat in these holes again for ages. | ||
| And then it finally goes quiet, but the lights are still on for a little while, and then the whole thing just shuts down, and I think that was it. | ||
| So I jumped out, had a look around, went and got Stevi, and then it was ours again. | ||
| And then we were up there until like 9am, I think it was. | ||
| How long was that? | ||
| How many hours? | ||
| 1 a.m. | ||
| till 9 a.m. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| So you were climbing around that thing for eight fucking hours? | ||
| That's nuts! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Running on some little French chocolate bar, which is really good. | ||
| Oh, that's all you ate? | ||
| That's all we had, yeah. | ||
| So you came down because you were hungry? | ||
| We came down because we got caught. | ||
| So you would have stayed there for the rest of the day? | ||
| The idea was to like wait till it opened and then get into a place where you could hide like near the second platform and then just drop into the second platform and just merge in with like the tourists. | ||
| But we didn't get that far. | ||
| That would have been cool. | ||
| So the plan was to wait for it to open and sneak out with the crowd. | ||
| Just jump out of the beam into the crowd, disappear into the lift, done. | ||
| So when you get caught, then what happens? | ||
| So we got seen by like a big group of people in one of the lifts and we're just like waving and they're like, like angry looking people. | ||
| Well, like angry people and happy people. | ||
| They're like, what the heck's going on? | ||
| And then we were like above slightly above a maintenance platform where they have like lifts that take workers up. | ||
| And then so we had to climb down. | ||
| We met people on the maintenance platform. | ||
| Getting the lift, there's like five of us, like two, me and Steffi and then like a few other people. | ||
| Security, just like private security for the tower. | ||
| And then we come down to like the basement. | ||
| Lift's open, there's just like a room full of policemen. | ||
| And we're like... | ||
| You'll see it in the movie. | ||
| And what do they do? | ||
| We didn't film that bit. | ||
| I had to hide every single SD card and everything that I had on me. | ||
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How'd you do that? | |
| I had three cameras on me. | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| It was an option. | ||
| That is the only option. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't had to do that yet, but... | ||
| You need a condom. | ||
| You tie it in a knot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Put them in the condom. | ||
| Put your finger up your bum. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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All right. | |
| So, how do you hide the SD cards? | ||
| I mean, they must have went through your stuff with a fine tooth comb. | ||
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So, I had... | |
| I thought they would, but they didn't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Paris. | |
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| They're trying to get laid, drink wine, eat chocolate. | ||
| So, I had, like, a big 5D, like a big DSLR, and then I had, I think, two GoPros. | ||
| And so, two micro SDs and one, like, CF card from the big one. | ||
| And I had like this bag that had like little tiny pen pockets, like really thin pockets, right? | ||
| And I just stuffed the micro SD cards down there. | ||
| And I had like a little rip in the back padding of the bag. | ||
| So I just threw the CF card in the back of the bag and it just fell down. | ||
| And I just hoped. | ||
| And then when like we got to the police station, they were like, you have so many cameras on you. | ||
| Clearly you've been filming, and I was like, no, forgot the SD cards, cameras died, and they believed it. | ||
| I had to surrender everything on my phone. | ||
| You had to surrender everything on your phone? | ||
| Yeah, so I had three cameras, right? | ||
| I had three cameras and my phone, so I was like, I'm going to have to give something up to try and save the most valuable footage. | ||
| So I was like, they were like, did you film? | ||
| I was like, I only filmed on my phone because my cameras died and I forgot my SD cards. | ||
| And then they went through like the footage on the phone and just made me delete it all. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| So the footage on the phone was like a ruse. | ||
| The footage on the phone was like me in the little hole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Filming, talking to the camera and like filming the people looking. | ||
| Because I was like this and I put my phone out. | ||
| That's great that you had something to give them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then what happens? | ||
| How long did they detain you? | ||
| We were there for like eight hours. | ||
| So another eight hours. | ||
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Eight hours, yeah. | |
| So when you're eight hours up there, climbing around, how do you pee? | ||
| You pee off the edge of the tower. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's probably why you got arrested. | ||
| You're pissing on these French people, as if life hasn't pissed on them enough. | ||
| Yeah, I think by the time it gets to the ground, it's kind of all spread out. | ||
| Or not, or it's a fucking raging river of piss right on some little old lady's head. | ||
| Yeah, I have to, I have to. | ||
| Why wouldn't you just pee on the tower? | ||
| That way it dribbles down slowly and doesn't hit anybody in the head. | ||
| I mean, if you were stood on the Eiffel Tower and you needed to pee, and there was no one below you because it's like 4am, you'd pee off the edge. | ||
| Maybe you peed on a homeless person. | ||
| That's even ruder. | ||
| I'm sorry to that person if I did pee on them. | ||
| Maybe it's a romantic couple going for a walk. | ||
| Maybe it would have really worked out. | ||
| All of a sudden, the girl goes to light her cigarette and you piss right on her head. | ||
| And she gets mad and the fucking evening ends poorly. | ||
| And it could have been a perfect relationship, but you ruined it. | ||
| I killed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you come down and then another eight hours of detention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what do they do to you? | ||
| Handcuffed us to a chair. | ||
| We're just sat in the middle of this... | ||
| Police station, there's like cells behind us with people going crazy and like people bleeding from their eyeballs and we're just sat there like People bleeding from their eyeballs from other crimes. | ||
| From like nighttime fights and stuff like that and just drunk people. | ||
| And we were just sat there for ages. | ||
| And then we finally got taken into like separate rooms where we were questioned by some high up. | ||
| I had a woman. | ||
| He had a dude. | ||
| And we were both questioned for a couple hours. | ||
| And then we were back out handcuffed to the chairs again. | ||
| And then they took all of our stuff and they searched it. | ||
| And I was like, fuck. | ||
| If they find it. | ||
| They're going to be like, okay, you just told us that you filmed nothing. | ||
| And we've just found hours and hours of footage. | ||
| Like, what's the deal? | ||
| So I was like, fuck. | ||
| Please don't find the cards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then they finally brought the bags back. | ||
| It must have been an hour they had them for. | ||
| And I thought they were going to go through everything. | ||
| But they brought it back. | ||
| I checked it. | ||
| And I was like, stuffy. | ||
| The cards are still here! | ||
| And then we just lost it. | ||
| We were so happy, but the policemen just had no idea what we were doing. | ||
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God. | |
| So do they kick you out of the country? | ||
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No. | |
| No record? | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| No, nothing at all. | ||
| So I had to, we go back in that room, I had to sign an agreement that said, I promise I will not climb the Eiffel Tower for three years. | ||
| For three years, that's it? | ||
| That was it, yeah. | ||
| Random, right? | ||
| How come they only give you, how come they don't say forever? | ||
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Forever. | |
| They must like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| The woman that was interviewing me loved it. | ||
| She did? | ||
| She was like, you really shouldn't be doing this, but how did you do it? | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Like, she loved it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She low-key loved it, yeah. | ||
| Well, I think once they realize that you're polite, you're a gentleman, you're a very nice guy, you're just a thrill-seeker, they're like, okay, this is not a threat to society. | ||
| This guy isn't a terrorist. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The second question she asked me was, did you leave a bomb up there? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And I just laughed. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Well, that's something they have to take into consideration. | ||
| They have to actually trust you, right? | ||
| If they let you go, it turns out you did leave a bomb up there? | ||
| Then they would have to comb over the building with a fine-tooth comb. | ||
| But who's going to say? | ||
| Who's going to be like, yeah, you know what? | ||
| I did. | ||
| I left a bomb up there. | ||
| No, no one would, right? | ||
| So they really have to trust you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking Europeans. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Ridiculous people. | ||
| Three years. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You'd be in jail forever. | ||
| If it was America, they'd put you right in Guantanamo Bay. | ||
| Get in there. | ||
| Get in the hole. | ||
| They'd throw dogs in there with you. | ||
| Yeah, it just seems like... | ||
| They're a little bit looser over there. | ||
| A little more relaxed about things like that. | ||
| They are, yeah. | ||
| It's probably better. | ||
| I was driving from LA to San Fran a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Up the one. | ||
| Is it the one? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Amazing drive. | ||
| And I found like a couple of cranes. | ||
| I went and saw like some elephant seals. | ||
| And then shortly after that, I just found like a building site on the site, like near the beach, like 100 meters back from the beach. | ||
| And I was like, of course I need to stop and just do this because it's dead. | ||
| It was, what weekend was it? | ||
| Holiday weekend, right? | ||
| So I did it and I stopped and I climbed it and then I'm at the top and I look down So I had like a rental Mustang and I parked the Mustang in the site like on the top of this peak It looked really cool, but you could see it from the road So a cop's driving past. | ||
| He sees the Mustang. | ||
| He's like what's going on? | ||
| So he pulls in and he's walking around Looking and then he looks up and he sees me at the top of this crane He's like you get your ass down here right now And I was like, fuck! | ||
| This is the first time I got caught in the US. I was like, shit, what's gonna happen? | ||
| Well, you're in California. | ||
| It's better than getting caught in, like, Arizona. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is Texas. | ||
| They should shoot you. | ||
| They should shoot me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll bear that in mind. | ||
| That's what I'm scared of. | ||
| That's what I'm scared of. | ||
| Because in the UK, what we know the cops over here to be like is they just shoot people. | ||
| That's like what we're told, you know? | ||
| That's what they feed us. | ||
| You're white. | ||
| You're going to be okay. | ||
| True. | ||
| So the guy gets you down the window and tells you to get out of there? | ||
| He shouts at me. | ||
| Yeah, I've got this all on video as well. | ||
| He shouts at me. | ||
| I come down. | ||
| And then he just lays into me. | ||
| You tell him you're from England, you don't know any better. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| I was like, oh, in England it's not actually an eagle. | ||
| No vitamins? | ||
| It's like, well, you're in the United States of America, boy, and you need to do what you should do. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, he took my passport. | ||
| He took my passport. | ||
| He took my driver's license. | ||
| He checked all my stuff. | ||
| And then he was like, okay. | ||
| He came back after like 10 minutes. | ||
| He was like, okay. | ||
| So I've made a decision, and I'm going to leave this in the hands of the site manager. | ||
| So he goes and he tries to find a site manager, but it's a holiday weekend, nobody's there. | ||
| So he goes to the office, he phones up some number on the door, and he speaks to the site manager. | ||
| And the site manager's just got back to LA from where he's working. | ||
| And he was like, you know what? | ||
| I've just got back home. | ||
| I cannot be bothered to deal with this. | ||
| So just let him go. | ||
| And then we just got to go. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| What is the worst you've ever got in trouble? | ||
| There's nothing, you know? | ||
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Nothing? | |
| There's nothing, like, bad. | ||
| Are you worried now, though, that with your internet fame, that now you're getting millions of hits in these videos, that people are going to recognize you and maybe even, like, target you? | ||
| Yeah, set an example. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've thought about it, but it doesn't seem to happen. | ||
| It seems to be getting easier. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because they're like, oh shit, you're this guy. | ||
| Can I take a picture? | ||
| That's just how it works. | ||
| Do you worry that you're encouraging people that are not as competent or thoughtful as you? | ||
| I worry that somebody that is a bit silly might see it and think, oh, I need to do this to be cool or to look cool in front of my mates, like young kids, right? | ||
| I worry about that, yeah, but... | ||
| There's not much I can do. | ||
| There's so many more things out there that are so easily available on the internet that kids could watch and be inspired by. | ||
| I always make it clear that what I'm doing is just... | ||
| What I want people to get from this is like... | ||
| I'm just going out, exploring the world, living my life in a way that I enjoy, doing things that make me happy, pushing myself, developing myself, becoming a better person, a stronger person, and that's it. | ||
| And climbing and jumping around is just my way of doing it. | ||
| We all have our own little passions, right? | ||
| That's just mine. | ||
| Yours might be badminton or something, ping pong. | ||
| That's another thing that's interesting that's happening now. | ||
| The larger number of content providers, like so many people like yourself that are doing things like this, the idea that one person is responsible for their influence becomes less and less plausible. | ||
| It becomes more like, well, what is he representing? | ||
| Well, he's representing a 26-year-old guy who absolutely knows how to do that. | ||
| You don't have to do what he's doing, but he can do what he's doing. | ||
| So are you supposed to stop doing what you're doing, which you're obviously very capable of doing because you're not a good example? | ||
| Well, you're the perfect example. | ||
| Of someone doing it correctly. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But some people just don't get that. | ||
| Well, the idea that you're influencing people, it's always very tricky. | ||
| Because what are you supposed to do? | ||
| You're supposed to live your life in a cushioned room so no one gets injured? | ||
| Because that's the only way to influence people positively. | ||
| In terms of if you're going to do risky things, you could always be an example or be an inspiration to someone who's not as competent as you, and they could risk death or injury. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think, honestly, I don't think anybody is stupid enough to see it, go out and try it. | ||
| Like, most people on Earth, right? | ||
| Well, you put them up a crane and they'll shit themselves, yeah? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think any 12-year-old, 14-year-old kid is gonna see it and be like, oh, do-do-do-do, climb a crane, hang off it. | ||
| I just don't see that happening. | ||
| Oh, they're definitely gonna do it. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| There's gonna be a bunch of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of crazy fucks out there just like you, pal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's beyond me. | ||
| Russians have been doing it longer than I have. | ||
| Did they start this stuff? | ||
| Yeah, as far as I know. | ||
| They went up there with big-ass heavy cameras. | ||
| The first stuff I saw was Russians. | ||
| Big-ass fucking boombox cameras. | ||
| I wonder who the first guy was to climb up on top of some beam. | ||
| Because I saw one where there was a steel girder that was extended out into the forest. | ||
| And it was like rusty, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And there's trees everywhere. | ||
| That's probably the first one I saw as well. | ||
| It might have been the first one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See if you can find that one. | ||
| He's doing push-ups on it and he's hanging on it. | ||
| Yes, that fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Russia. | ||
| That's Russia. | ||
| It's so high. | ||
| I want to go there. | ||
| I really want to go there because it's still there. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| Don't do it! | ||
| And he's got that picture where he's like this. | ||
| It's epic, man. | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| He's hanging upside down, and he's extending his legs. | ||
| This guy is out of his fucking mind. | ||
| He's doing, like, flips. | ||
| He's doing chin-ups, and he's letting go of his hands. | ||
| He's doing chin-ups, and he gets to the top, he lets go of his hands. | ||
| And he's doing several of them. | ||
| He's doing one leg, with one leg crossed over the other one. | ||
| Look how windy it is. | ||
| Oh my god, they're balancing on their hands over these beams. | ||
| That's the one I've seen. | ||
| Fucking Jesus Christ, this is driving me nuts. | ||
| But you see, like, there's a bunch of videos of dudes in this place. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, how many people have died from this place? | ||
| Must be a few. | ||
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Oh my God, look at this guy gripping. | |
| Oh, this is so scary. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| This is so scary. | ||
| As I'm watching this, though, this video isn't that old. | ||
| Do you think this maybe started once the cameras became portable enough to get up there, like the small little flip cams and blogging cams? | ||
| Maybe you weren't capable of taking a big-ass VCR camera. | ||
| Like, you had a drone in one of yours, I saw. | ||
| And drones are being able to do live video now. | ||
| Look at my hands. | ||
| I could like wring them out in a glass right now. | ||
| I'm watching this video and I'm freaking out and these guys are doing it and they're laughing. | ||
| You know, they're so high up. | ||
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Look at that forest below them. | |
| I think you're right that people have always probably done this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amazing feats of athleticism, too. | ||
| If you look at this guy bouncing his hands, his feet up in the air. | ||
| Full plank, hanging off. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| That's some serious fucking strength. | ||
| I mean, it's such a crazy endeavor. | ||
| Were you doing some of this before you could film it? | ||
| Like before you even had a camera? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's not just about showing people? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
|
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Do you know anybody who's fallen and died? | |
| Um... | ||
| No, none personally. | ||
| No, there was a parkour guy that fell off a rooftop. | ||
| He was doing a back somersault on the edge of a rooftop, probably like a wall like this, which is like an easy thing to do, but something must have got to him and he fell off and he died. | ||
| 16 stories, I think. | ||
| And this is recent? | ||
| A couple of years ago, I think. | ||
| Where did he fall? | ||
| What place? | ||
| I think it was Russia. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was Russia. | ||
| You Google it, you'll find it. | ||
| So it's surprisingly few deaths. | ||
| Yeah, that we know about, that are publicized. | ||
| I don't see that many. | ||
| Yeah, which is good, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So that leads me to believe that people aren't stupid enough to go out and Well, it's such a scary thing to do that it just takes a very small percentage of people and it grabs ahold of them and says, you've got to do this too. | ||
| There's a video that's actually on YouTube that probably shouldn't be on YouTube. | ||
| Of somebody filming from the ground, up at a crane, and a guy walks across the top beam of the crane and falls, and you just see his body just... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, it disappears behind some other building. | ||
| Wow, I think as long as it doesn't hit the bottom, they'll let you show it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| We have rules like that. | ||
| Like, you'd know the guy died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can't see it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| So, ten more years of this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're not thinking about the future. | ||
| You're just a wild man. | ||
| I'm just a wild man, yeah. | ||
| Living on the edge. | ||
| Yeah, just wake up and see what I feel like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There's no point in thinking that far ahead. | ||
| You know, I could die tomorrow. | ||
| We could all die tomorrow. | ||
| We could all get hit by a bus. | ||
| Or we could live, and then you go, fuck, why didn't I think about tomorrow? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a bad idea to plan. | ||
| Assume you will live. | ||
| Police release horror video of schoolboy falling 100 feet to his death as warning to daredevils. | ||
| Police in Russia have released a horrifying video at Russia. | ||
| Yeah, we don't need to see this, Jamie. | ||
| This kid's gonna fall and I'm gonna freak out even further! | ||
| I think I've seen this, yeah. | ||
| What other interests do you have besides doing this kind of crazy shit? | ||
| Do you have sports that you do? | ||
| No, no other sports really. | ||
| I just love filmmaking. | ||
| I just love making videos. | ||
| I love filming stuff. | ||
| I love taking pictures. | ||
| I love creating these little films and it's like both of my passions just work hand in hand. | ||
| I've got the parkour and the climbing stuff and I've got the filmmaking. | ||
| Do you ever film stuff that's not scary and daredevil-y stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need to do more of that. | ||
| Do people respond to that? | ||
| Yeah, so I put out a video a couple months ago of my new car, like my new car video. | ||
| So it's basically like a car review, right? | ||
| And people love it. | ||
| Oh, I think I might have seen that. | ||
| Do you have an M3? An M4, a new one? | ||
| Yeah, I think I did see that. | ||
| People like it. | ||
| It's got like 200 and something thousand views. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a great car, isn't it? | ||
| It's an amazing car, yeah. | ||
| And you got that car for money that you made from risking your life? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wow. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| From like YouTube ads and stuff? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| YouTube money, sponsorships, everything. | ||
| That's a beautiful car. | ||
| They're so well engineered. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Look at it, man. | ||
| It's a piece of art. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I had an M3 the last one. | ||
| Yeah, I had the old one, the old V8. Yeah, this is interesting, the V6 turbo, right? | ||
| You like it? | ||
| It's a completely different sound, but I like it. | ||
| I used to have a turbocharged car before the V8 M3, and I missed all the little hisses and the wobbles, and I missed it, so now I've got it back. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| And it's so much faster. | ||
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It's so much faster. | |
| A lot of people like the roar of the V8. Yeah. | ||
| And it's the big complaint about the M3. Yeah. | ||
| So it doesn't... | ||
| The M4, rather. | ||
| It doesn't have that roar anymore. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It's completely different. | ||
| But I wouldn't compare them. | ||
| I wouldn't say, oh, the M3's better. | ||
| It's just a different... | ||
| It's a different breed, you know? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Well, we're getting used to cars that don't make any noise, right? | ||
| Those electric cars are more and more prevalent. | ||
| I saw the Tesla numbers the other day, Jamie. | ||
| It's 2.5 seconds. | ||
| It's so less than 3, it's 2.5. | ||
| And that's in the Model X, the big one, as well as the other ones. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| I think the big one's a little slower. | ||
| It's silly. | ||
| It's sub 3. They just updated them this week too. | ||
| I wonder if they updated the speed too. | ||
| Like the software update. | ||
| It's like a firmware update. | ||
| Add speed to your car. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Elon Musk, man. | ||
| He's killing it. | ||
| He's on the spectrum for sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Gotta be. | ||
| Super wizard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's an alien. | ||
| He's probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those people, those, like, people that push things like that, what is this? | ||
| 0-16, 2.5 seconds, has 315 miles of range. | ||
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Dude. | |
| Eh, not if you go that fast. | ||
| It's 289 miles. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Stop lying. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Is it a different one? | ||
| Do they make that sweet one, that little tiny one? | ||
| Does Tesla still make that little sports car one? | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| They release them in limited numbers. | ||
| The little tiny one? | ||
| The little lotus-looking one? | ||
| Yeah, that lotus-looking one was beautiful. | ||
| That was one of their first, wasn't it? | ||
| Yeah, but it is on skinny tires, and apparently the weight's all fucked up. | ||
| It's like Porsche 911, but way to the extreme, because all the weight's in the back. | ||
| Just like a Porsche, but way more weight. | ||
| So it's like if you go around a corner and the ass end kicks out on you, you just... | ||
| Or if you're going around a corner and you're hitting the gas, and you let off the gas, you get that... | ||
| That tail end sort of pendulums out on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're beautiful. | ||
| I do love cars, man. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Cars are fun, yeah. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| Big fan of engineering. | ||
| What do you drive? | ||
| My favorite car? | ||
| I have a Porsche 911 GT3 RS. Yes, dude. | ||
| Yeah, I have an older one, a 2007 when they were still manuals. | ||
| They don't make manuals anymore. | ||
| Now they're all those paddle shifts, which is, they're really fun, but it's just not as fun. | ||
| Yeah, it's different than that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a big fan of clutch. | ||
| That's one thing I like about the M4. It's one of the few high-end sports cars where you could still get that clutch. | ||
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Cool. | |
| All the American cars do it, like Corvettes, you can still get with a clutch. | ||
| But like Porsches, the GT3 and the GT3 RS, now you can only get automatic. | ||
| Ferrari, only automatic. | ||
| That's my car. | ||
| That was before I took the painting off the wheels, or off the side, the GT3 RS logo. | ||
| I'm like, that's a little schoolboy racer. | ||
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It is, yeah. | |
| No, it's just white. | ||
| But what I like about those cars is it's not even really growing that fast. | ||
| It's the connection. | ||
| Like when you're going around corners, it literally is like a ride. | ||
| It feels like a Disneyland ride. | ||
| Yeah, and it's also the engineering. | ||
| Like you can appreciate the amount of thought and trial and error and calculation that's involved in creating something that's so capable. | ||
| You know, when you drive a regular car, you know, it's just a car. | ||
| You're driving it around. | ||
| You drive one of those things around, you're on a ride. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| So, this is like all your life. | ||
| You just enjoy making videos, taking photos, and doing these crazy stunts and filming them. | ||
| And you're just living day by day, keep on keeping on. | ||
| Living the dream. | ||
| Yeah, you are in a lot of ways, man. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of kids that are going, wait a minute, you could just do chin-ups on a crane? | ||
| You can get a fucking BMW? Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you'd be surprised how many people are like, you don't deserve this. | ||
| Oh, fuck those people. | ||
| You're risking your goddamn life. | ||
| All you do is climb ladders and... | ||
| Listen, people watch the videos. | ||
| It's just jealousy. | ||
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Of course. | |
| You're always going to have that. | ||
| You're always going to have haters. | ||
| Do they motivate you? | ||
| Nah, they just make me laugh. | ||
| Haters do? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you have a place that you want to go? | ||
| Hong Kong. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Chinese don't fuck around, dog. | ||
| But if you look at some videos from Hong Kong, man, it's the place to be. | ||
| But if you get caught over there, they might throw you in a hole. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think a few people have been banned from Hong Kong for like some years or forever. | ||
| I've not heard anything bad. | ||
| I mean, I would imagine that any time you get arrested in a foreign country... | ||
| Is this Hong Kong? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Look at that, man. | ||
| High-rise Hong Kong. | ||
| This guy's walking around with a selfie stick. | ||
| Sponsors. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He's showing his sponsors. | ||
| Who the fuck... | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Back up. | ||
| Back up. | ||
| Sponsors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Back up. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Click. | ||
| Pause. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Jet radar. | ||
| Flight search engine. | ||
| Jet radar. | ||
| Flight search engine. | ||
| Hotel look. | ||
| Hotel search engine. | ||
| So what's happened here is he's been like, okay, I need to get to Hong Kong, but I don't have money. | ||
| I need to get a hotel in Hong Kong, but I don't have money. | ||
| I'm going to contact a flight company and a hotel company and see if I can get them to give me both for a video. | ||
| But how insane are those companies that they're like, what are you going to do? | ||
| Some illegal shit in China? | ||
| Yeah, I'm in. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Put my name up there. | ||
| I want people to know. | ||
| 1,100,359 views. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| They're like, fuck it. | ||
| A lot of those people are going to use our service. | ||
| Look at all those buildings. | ||
| I guess if the guy lived, it's not negative, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess if he doesn't live, it won't get released. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's like, yeah, that's the deal. | ||
| If you... | ||
| Oh my god, this is so bananas. | ||
| Oh, his gloves. | ||
| Oh, he's got gloves on? | ||
| You think he's a pussy for wearing gloves? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, but that's like coming from a parkour background, where the idea is to not have to rely on anything. | ||
| Like, you build your hands up so that you can do shit like this and not have to worry about cutting your finger. | ||
| Now, when you were doing parkour stuff, were you doing, like, backflips off buildings and stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever seen that video where this kid in the ghetto, he's on a second floor roof, and he does a backflip and lands on the ground? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| I've seen some seriously high ones. | ||
| Fucking crazy. | ||
| Like, how does a guy live from that far away? | ||
| You just learn how to land. | ||
| How does he learn how to land? | ||
| You land in a way, right, that your legs take as much of the impact as they physically can, and then you smash your bum into the ground, and then you just do a backwards roll. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Watch this guy. | ||
| Crack head, backflip off the 40-foot roof. | ||
| I think this guy smashes his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But what's crazy is he actually did this. | ||
| He did a backflip. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like somebody gave him something. | ||
| Like a dollar or something crazy, right? | ||
| Wasn't it like 20 bucks or something ridiculous? | ||
| But this dude, like he's standing there. | ||
| And this is... | ||
| No one had to... | ||
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Brother, please don't hurt yourself. | |
| Please don't hurt yourself. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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I'm gonna say a prayer. | |
| You hear that? | ||
| I'm ready. | ||
| I don't even want to look at that. | ||
| Well, you're not going to turn away either, though, are you? | ||
| You want to be there. | ||
| So this guy is standing there with his back. | ||
| He's building hype right now. | ||
| Here he goes. | ||
|
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Smash. | |
| And he made it. | ||
|
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Oh my god. | |
| You alright, bro? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| Are you alright, bro? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
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Good. | |
| Ugh! | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| He's got strong bones. | ||
| Otherwise his arm would be snapped. | ||
| Yeah, that is. | ||
| And that was a hard surface he fell onto. | ||
| You would just think that if someone just jumped, like is the flip helping at all? | ||
| You know what it actually does, yeah. | ||
| How's that? | ||
| Just because of the momentum, it's going this way instead of just going slam straight down. | ||
| You can convert some of that into that. | ||
| You know when you see people jump massive roof gaps and they land and they roll? | ||
| That's converting all this downwards momentum into a forward. | ||
| And that means you can jump a lot further than you think. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| But if you have to jump straight down, what do you do? | ||
| You land and you just slam your hands into the ground as well. | ||
| Spread out the impact as best you can. | ||
| Yeah, rolls are only good really if you're going forward quite a lot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you're running. | ||
| So if you had to jump off of that 40 foot high wall that that guy was on, how would you jump? | ||
| I'd probably hang off the edge and just straight drop. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Yeah, that's not that high. | ||
| What the fuck are you saying? | ||
| You don't think you'd have a problem making that jump? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've done big drops. | ||
| It helps that I'm big as well. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| But it makes it... | ||
| You're heavy too, right? | ||
| Yeah, but my legs... | ||
| I've got good legs, man. | ||
| My legs are my strongest thing. | ||
| Do you exercise? | ||
| Or do you just do a lot of that? | ||
| Just the exercise comes from doing it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And how often do you do it? | ||
| Now, not so much. | ||
| I used to do it a lot. | ||
| I used to go out every day and train all day and just repeat jumps and everything. | ||
| Now it's kind of built in me. | ||
| But isn't that a problem? | ||
| Because the more famous you get, the more obligations you get, the less time you have to practice, and the more people expect of you. | ||
| Yeah, it's a problem. | ||
| You have to do crazier shit. | ||
| It's a problem, yeah, but... | ||
| Fuck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Don't die, dude. | ||
| You seem like a nice guy. | ||
| No, I wouldn't die. | ||
| Please don't. | ||
| It would be a wonderful story if you made it through this thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With no problems at all. | ||
| And, you know, people would be like, look, the only thing you have to fear is fear itself. | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
| Anything else to add to the people before we get the fuck out of here? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| Please, my pleasure. | ||
| Finally, we made it happen. | ||
| I'm glad we did. | ||
| I'm glad I got to meet you. | ||
| You're a normal guy. | ||
| It's perplexing. | ||
| I look in your eyes. | ||
| You look totally normal. | ||
| I'm looking in your eyes. | ||
| There's nothing crazy going on in there. | ||
| You just assume. | ||
| But you look at some of these Russians and you look in their eyes and you just see death and life. | ||
| Different? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So they're the kings of this shit? | ||
| I guess, yeah. | ||
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Man. | |
| It's a weird thing to do. | ||
| It's a weird thing to do. | ||
| What do you have planned that people can look forward to? | ||
| I've got quite a lot going on, actually. | ||
| I've got a couple of huge videos to release from Dubai. | ||
| I'm doing something here next week involving a helicopter. | ||
| In America? | ||
| America, yeah. | ||
| What part of America, should we say? | ||
| L.A. Uh-oh. | ||
| Downtown L.A., Hollywood sign. | ||
| Do people know about it? | ||
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No. | |
| Shh! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just saying, helicopter. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| I'm working on it. | ||
| You're doing it from a helicopter? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, don't fall. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you fall, people are gonna get mad at me. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You encouraged him. | ||
| You told him to go further. | ||
| You made him want to do crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah, so I've got a few big videos. | ||
| I've got a book coming out, which is cool. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Which is mad. | ||
| What's your book? | ||
| Photography and stuff? | ||
| No, it's like a life story. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, it's like my beginning, how I discovered parkour, how I started climbing, and then like a few select big climbs that I've done. | ||
| Did you write it or did you talk to someone? | ||
| It's got written, so it's based off interviews. | ||
| I'm not a writer, I can't write a book, but a couple of big interviews and then he converted it into a book. | ||
| And then a bunch of pictures as well, which is cool. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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| Listen, you've scared the shit out of me on numerous occasions, so in a way you've absolutely entertained me. | ||
| So I appreciate it, man. | ||
| And it was very nice to meet you and continued health and success to you, please. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You're a nice guy. | ||
| I don't want anything bad to happen to you, man. | ||
| Just be careful out there. | ||
| Thanks, bud. | ||
| James Kingston, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| What is your Instagram? | ||
| The James Kingston, yeah. | ||
| Do you have a Twitter and Facebook? | ||
| Twitter, the same, James Kingston. | ||
| You put James Kingston anywhere, you'll pop up straight away. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Very nice to meet you, man. | ||
| You too, thank you. | ||
| Good night, you fucks. |
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