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Sept. 18, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - September 17, 2016
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brendan schaub
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
do we're live fighter and the kid uh Sands kid.
Brendan Schaub's here.
brendan schaub
Sands the kid.
joe rogan
Sands the kid.
No, we're not mad at Brian Callen.
We love Brian Callen.
Brian Callen's just in New York working.
So save it, Twitter trolls.
Save it.
Settle down.
eddie bravo
Something must have happened.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo.
Eddie Brahe's here.
No, Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub are not upset at each other.
Stop it.
Stop it, Twitter trolls.
Twitter trolls are fucking crazy.
Try so hard.
eddie bravo
They hate each other.
Look at the way they look at each other.
joe rogan
I saw the way he looked at them when he said that.
brendan schaub
They hate each other.
eddie bravo
Meanwhile, we're like, how's your son?
How's your kids?
Who loves each other?
We're talking about the love of our lives.
brendan schaub
For real?
eddie bravo
Off camera.
People, they hate each other.
joe rogan
Shout out to the Colorado Springs Fire Department.
Donald Cowboy Cerrone's dad gave me this shirt.
brendan schaub
Sick.
joe rogan
Cowboy's dad works for the Colorado Springs Fire Department.
brendan schaub
Colorado in the house, son.
eddie bravo
I will say that I'm a little jelly.
I think it feels like you're trying to take Joe away from me.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
It feels like that.
unidentified
Rogan?
eddie bravo
It feels like that to me.
I don't want to say nothing.
I don't want to talk about it.
brendan schaub
Isn't that like high school where your new friend gets a friend?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's mad because he's trying to take him from him.
That becomes a real issue with people.
unidentified
For real.
joe rogan
Like fucking grown men sometimes.
You know, bro, I mean, you're hanging around with him all the time.
I mean, I just wonder.
I wonder, bro, what the fuck's going on?
I mean, what's happening with our friendship, man?
brendan schaub
I've had this conversation recently with an older friend.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
You know, it's also when dudes get older and shit gets stale in their life, you know, people start getting real desperate.
They get real weird.
If you know a dude who has a job that he doesn't enjoy and he's been doing it for a long time and he's in a relationship that's not real, a whole lot of fun, and, you know, you stop hanging around with him a little bit, it's like, oh my god, like, everything's going dark.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Everything's going dark.
Where's the fun?
Where's the fucking fun?
brendan schaub
Where's the fun?
joe rogan
There's no fun!
unidentified
Can't hang out.
eddie bravo
It seems like nowadays with Instagram, The way it's set up in Facebook you can't fucking talk as much shit as you could like eight years ago on the internet when it was like it was like it was cool to have like some stupid screen name like you know red dog 283 or something like that and you're just anonymous there's still some of that like on the underground you know a lot of anonymous dudes there they're like secret private guys see they're sort of anonymous but the problem is their IP addresses are known like you're not really that it's you're only anonymous if
joe rogan
someone doesn't look No one's anonymous anymore.
If you're posting things, yeah, you might think you are, but even if you're going behind a couple proxies, it's just not hard to find you.
It's a weird world.
There was a guy that was a troll on Reddit.
It's a famous story because he was a real nasty guy, apparently.
They found out where he worked.
These people went after him.
They found out where he worked.
They found out who the guy is, and they got him fired.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
He got fired from his job because his fun shit, what he would like to do is he...
I mean, if you looked at it from a psychological point of view, you would say, this guy's all bent up and held back at work, and he has some anger issues, and he gets online, and through this anonymous account, he does a lot of mean shit, and he goes after people.
eddie bravo
From work?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I think he...
I don't remember the whole story.
brendan schaub
I'd rather him do that than shoot a place up.
joe rogan
I mean, who knows what level?
I mean, that might not be the choice.
It might be just he's an asshole.
brendan schaub
You'd be surprised.
joe rogan
But my point is, they found this guy.
They found this guy and they got him fired.
And that's just what they can do today.
Do you see that nine-year-old?
What happened with the nine-year-old?
brendan schaub
The nine-year-old from getting bullied at school and on the line committed suicide?
Nine, kids.
Fucking nine.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
brendan schaub
I wasn't even smart enough at nine to figure out how to hang yourself.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but you know what?
The CIA should go after those people instead of fucking terrorists.
joe rogan
It's true.
They are terrorists.
I mean, they are going after some people.
They went after that one kid.
There was a kid who was a roommate in college with a kid who was gay.
And he knew his friend was gay, so he set up a camera and filmed his friend having sex with a guy.
And I don't know if he blackmailed him or said something, and the guy wound up killing himself.
So now he's on trial for, I think, I don't know what they're saying, manslaughter maybe?
brendan schaub
Some new shit.
joe rogan
Something awful.
brendan schaub
There was a similar case where this girl, she knew her friend was manic-depressive, bipolar, and he would reach out to her for help, and she was like, you just need to kill yourself.
You just need to kill yourself.
And then they have all this texting history, and then she would send them links on how to do it, and then he finally did it.
And he texts her, he goes, I think he would do it tomorrow night.
She goes, you're so full of shit, you're not going to do it.
Let me know if you do, and they end up doing it.
So now she's being charged Yeah, she's real young.
joe rogan
And here's the problem with that.
When you're real young, first of all, they say your brain isn't even really fully formed.
Your thoughts don't come in the most logical manner until you're deep into your 20s.
I think they say your frontal cortex is...
I probably shouldn't be talking at all about science.
Bro science!
I think the term was about, it was about decision-making and impulsive decision-making, particularly in young men experiencing testosterone for the first time.
Thinking about this, think about you're young, right?
You're experiencing testosterone when you're 13, 14 years old.
So you've had 13 years of confusing life.
All of a sudden you've got raging boners all the time.
Yeah, and you're so baffled because you're so horny all the time, and sex is everything.
It's selling TV shows, it's selling cars, and it's all over the fucking boards.
brendan schaub
I used to jack off the covers of CDs.
joe rogan
Look at those fucking girls in the volleyball games, right?
Remember we were talking about that?
We were talking about the other day, like, how can they?
They're wearing thongs.
But the point is, when you're young, you do shit.
You might not even understand the consequences of what you're doing.
Like, the idea that this girl knew that this guy was going to kill himself, and that being mean was anything other than, for her, just a fun game of being mean.
brendan schaub
The magnitude of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if you can really say that they know.
I mean, it's awful that it got done.
I'm not exonerating her, but I don't know if you could really treat that person like an adult.
brendan schaub
Then add in head trauma if they played football or did martial arts.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Tried playing football since you were six.
joe rogan
Is that you?
brendan schaub
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Dude, you could be together very well.
brendan schaub
You'd be surprised when I leave the studio.
I get online and just hate people.
joe rogan
Did you see the new CTE study that they just released?
There's an article that was out today where they're saying that it is not the amount of concussions, it's the amount of time you've been hit in the head.
So it's sub-concussive trauma, like just jabs to the face that don't even knock you out.
Over long periods of time can be worse.
You know, here's, like I was watching HBO Boxing the other night, and when Gennady Golovkin fought, yeah, Kel Brook.
brendan schaub
Kel Brook.
joe rogan
Amazing, amazing fight for as long as it lasted.
I understand why Brooks Corner threw him in the towel.
I was bummed out that they did, but he was going to get murked.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
He was getting murked.
brendan schaub
Live to fight another day.
joe rogan
They were smart.
They were smart.
But I was upset because I was like, God damn, this is a good fight.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
And that kid, Cal Brook, is very good.
Anyway, point being, Bernard Hopkins is doing the commentary.
And I'm listening to him doing the commentary and I'm like, when you see a guy who's that great of a boxer, like Bernard Hopkins, and has been involved in boxing pretty much his whole life, and he's almost, he might be 50 now.
I believe he is 50. And the last time he fought, he fought Kovalev and got boxed up.
It was a tough fight to watch because you're watching really an older Bernard Hopkins getting hit hard by a murderer.
I mean, Kovalev is so good.
brendan schaub
Top two in the world, yeah.
joe rogan
But I was listening to him commentary.
When you listen to a guy like that commentate, you're like, well, he talks pretty good now, but what's he going to be like in 10 years?
You know?
Like, when you hear a guy that talks really well, like deep into his 50s and 60s, like George Foreman, like, how did he pull that off?
brendan schaub
Some guys keep it together, though, don't they?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Like, Roy Nelson should be drooling out of his mouth and shit in his pants.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's a smart, smart dude.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Chaz Skelly just did a Maximo Blanco on Maximo Blanco.
No, you don't have that guillotine.
brendan schaub
No, son.
joe rogan
Oh, he switched it up.
eddie bravo
He does have the darts, though.
joe rogan
He has the darts.
eddie bravo
It's over.
unidentified
It's over.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
It's over.
joe rogan
Oh, Blanco's going out.
unidentified
He's out.
joe rogan
He's out.
brendan schaub
He's out, son.
joe rogan
He's out.
brendan schaub
He's out, son.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
Tight move.
joe rogan
How'd the referee not know he was out right there?
brendan schaub
Uneducated.
eddie bravo
That's like Tony Ferguson right there.
unidentified
No, that's Herb.
joe rogan
That's Herb.
That's Herb.
He's the best in the world.
brendan schaub
Herb knows better.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
He gave him an opportunity.
brendan schaub
Maybe his angle.
It's the angle.
You know what?
Herb, I usually give the benefit of the doubt because he's one of the best.
I think he is the best.
eddie bravo
Nothing wrong with going out, though.
joe rogan
Him and John McCarthy.
eddie bravo
Let him go out.
joe rogan
I agree, too.
eddie bravo
You can tap.
It's a fight.
joe rogan
You're right.
I agree, too, because going out doesn't hurt anybody.
It looks like it hurts you.
It doesn't do anything bad.
eddie bravo
And even if you do lose some brain cells, what are we doing?
We're trying to save brain cells here?
brendan schaub
It'd be nice.
eddie bravo
Not in this sport.
That's not what this is about.
It's about the guys who are sacrificing their brains for us.
That's what's going on.
joe rogan
I think Herb Dean and John McCarthy are equal.
I think they're equal at the very top.
I think they're the best in the world.
brendan schaub
McCarthy means numero uno.
joe rogan
Numero uno.
brendan schaub
As far as dealing with them personally, when they come in the back and just the way I felt, if John McCarthy was in...
Was working my fight.
I felt so much better.
joe rogan
This is a beautiful darse, man.
eddie bravo
Look how he did this.
unidentified
Yeah, it was so deep.
joe rogan
He didn't quite get the guillotine, so he adjusts perfectly because as Maximo rolls out of the guillotine, he rolls right into the darse.
brendan schaub
Amazing transition.
joe rogan
It was beautiful.
I bet Chaz has hit that transition a hundred times.
eddie bravo
You could just tell.
You could just tell.
Right away you could tell this was his shit, and his arms are long, and it was in deep, and he ain't going nowhere.
He's fresh.
It's over.
And by the look at the guy's face, too, it wasn't really defending right.
He should have grabbed the inside of his thigh immediately when he put that on.
joe rogan
I would like to hear what him and Herb were just saying to each other.
Herb was asking him a question about how he set that up.
See, Herb's a legit martial artist, you know?
brendan schaub
Educated.
b-real
But he loves it.
joe rogan
Like, when he's asking there, he wants to know.
Look at this.
Dude, they both start off, because that's what Maximo always does.
eddie bravo
He jumps that guy.
brendan schaub
Tight move.
joe rogan
Yeah, perfect.
Look how he set it up so beautiful.
brendan schaub
No one does that better than Verdum, though.
Don't get it twisted.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that was beautiful.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Professional right there.
Oh shit!
joe rogan
Joe Schilling's in the motherfucking house!
brendan schaub
Joe Schilling in the building.
joe rogan
Joe Chilling just showed up with an 80-pound watch on.
How dare you ball so hard?
brendan schaub
Look at that thing.
Gold on gold.
That's a fancy watch, sir.
joe rogan
If I was a girl, I would be attracted to you just because of that watch.
brendan schaub
That's fancy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say something about him.
He's all tattooed up.
He looks scruffy and dangerous.
He's got scar tissue.
eddie bravo
That's just the deal closer.
They look at the watch and go, bam, that's it.
joe rogan
That's it.
eddie bravo
He's got money too.
Basically, that's what you're saying.
I got a lot of cash, bitch.
joe rogan
Are you still balling in that crazy Corvette?
joe schilling
No, not anymore.
joe rogan
What are you driving now?
joe schilling
Right now I just have my Range Rover.
joe rogan
Oh, just a Range Rover.
Just safe and comfortable?
joe schilling
Kinetic Motorsports, though, should be something else coming soon.
brendan schaub
What Corvette was it?
joe rogan
A Z06? Yeah, the Z06 Convert.
brendan schaub
Never mad at that.
joe rogan
Z-Convert.
joe schilling
It's a scary car.
joe rogan
Dope car, man.
Yeah, you know what, man?
It's interesting to see how far they've taken performance cars, and how far they have left to go, because there's nowhere left to go.
Like, those insane Teslas, then when you put them on ludicrous mode, and they're 0-60 in, like, less than three seconds...
brendan schaub
I don't fuck with the electric.
It does nothing for me.
joe rogan
It's very fast.
brendan schaub
My dick goes, huh?
joe rogan
Nah.
brendan schaub
But you bring a fucking nasty-ass split-window stingray or something like that?
Yes, sir.
eddie bravo
But what about the environment, man?
brendan schaub
I'm sure we'll figure it out.
Least of our worries.
joe rogan
I just can't believe they haven't figured it out yet.
I just feel like there's got to be a way.
I read something about China.
I don't even know if it was a real article.
But they had developed a thing that was like a large building.
And it was an air filter.
It actually would pull the pollution out of the city air.
And they built something.
A giant powered filter.
Makes all the sense in the world.
100% makes sense.
It seems like you could completely clean the air, but then the real trick would be to get it to run on pollution.
If you had a filter that actually used the carbons in the air as its fuel, and then sucked all that shitty air in and pumped out clean air, you have no problems.
brendan schaub
There's some smart-ass people who can for sure work on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's not enough money in it.
unidentified
Absolutely.
brendan schaub
That's the problem.
The car company's like, get the fuck out of here.
eddie bravo
After the last podcast we did, I remember we were leaving the conversation we had.
We got into solar panels.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And I'm confused as to how they work.
brendan schaub
You are super confused.
eddie bravo
Are there guys out there that have solar panels and they're just completely cut off the grid and they're just using all their energy is from those solar panels?
joe rogan
100%.
eddie bravo
But it seems like every time you hear about these solar panels, the way it works is you send the energy back to the city and then they sell it back to you at discounted rent.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Something like that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Here's the deal.
First of all, if you see someone who is like, I have a friend who has a house that's in Colorado that's completely off the grid.
Never been on the grid.
eddie bravo
And it's all solar panels?
joe rogan
All solar panels.
unidentified
Beautiful.
joe rogan
They have solar panels and they have a propane backup in case something goes wrong with the solar system or it goes down because it gets so fucking cold there.
It gets so cold there.
brendan schaub
I'm a fucking super solar head.
The superpower!
joe rogan
Solar power system!
brendan schaub
If our solar system shuts down...
I'm good, Doug.
joe rogan
It's all good, baby.
eddie bravo
I thought we were pretty fucked at that point.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
Electricity is your last concern.
But you're dead.
eddie bravo
Let's see an end of the report.
joe rogan
The fucking Earth's boiling.
eddie bravo
Mars is headed up.
unidentified
It's not going to hit us, but it's going to fuck up some satellites for a while.
It's going to miss us by one light year.
joe rogan
So, yeah.
What they try to do, and this is what happens most of the time in LA, like if you see someone set up a solar power system, it's tricky because it's not really independent.
You get your power from the sun, but it pumps right back into the grid.
You're connected to the grid still.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
But you don't have to be.
It's just cheaper.
eddie bravo
I think in the city...
joe rogan
What's the point?
Exactly!
That's what they're pushing.
eddie bravo
They're pushing that.
They're going, hey!
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
It's like, why does the city need, oh, we need some space and we need your roof, you know, just get it.
Why are they concerned with that?
joe rogan
You keep saying this and you're wrong about that.
You keep using that analogy.
eddie bravo
I hope I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Listen, they don't need the power from these people that have solar power.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's not what it is.
What they're doing is they don't want to disconnect from the grid because they don't want to lose money.
First of all, it's really hard to get off that grid.
It's really hard to just get on electricity.
Callan's been trying for how many months now?
He's been doing it for like four months, going back and forth.
eddie bravo
So what they're doing is they're stepping in.
brendan schaub
One foot in, one foot out.
You've got to be all in.
joe rogan
Well, doesn't he have a contract that's doing it?
I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
With Callan, you never know.
joe rogan
You do never know.
He's your friend.
You would know.
I mean, I know.
He's my friend, too.
He's my friend first.
unidentified
You don't play him.
joe rogan
Fuck, though, right?
eddie bravo
So you agree.
You're basically saying I was being sarcastic, but that's what I meant.
joe rogan
No, no, but what you're saying is you're thinking that somehow the grid needs the power.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
That's definitely not what it is.
What it is is it's more expensive.
unidentified
I said that as a joke.
joe rogan
It's more expensive.
When you just get solar power, okay, you don't need this massive bank of batteries.
You don't need a lot of equipment.
There's a lot of shit when you go completely off the grid so that when you cut your power off, you're not connected to anything.
If you cut your solar off, you're still connected to the regular power grid, and you still get regular power if your solar goes down.
It's one of the advantages that people like about staying connected to the grid.
brendan schaub
You save money, too.
joe rogan
The other part is you definitely save money from solar power.
unidentified
And you get a tax rebate.
joe rogan
100%.
You get a tax rebate.
You also can, if you make more power than you use, it actually goes back in the grid and you can get money from it.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
But it's not like they need it.
unidentified
Of course not.
joe rogan
It's sort of an incentive in a way to stay connected to the grid, which I think, for them, is like a survival technique.
Because if everybody in California got solar, and if solar keeps getting better the way everything gets better, you're going to have a solar that's as big as this fucking table, and it's going to be able to power J.Lo's house.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
It's expensive.
brendan schaub
That's why people are doing it.
joe rogan
It's getting better and better.
brendan schaub
It's just really expensive.
joe rogan
For now, but it's battery technology needs to improve.
There's a lot of issues.
Elon Musk is on the ball with that shit.
He's created these batteries that sit on your wall.
They're hanging on your wall, and they're a much smaller profile than the standard shit that most people have in their houses.
eddie bravo
So what does it do?
joe rogan
Well, they're just large batteries that store the electricity from the solar power system.
eddie bravo
Okay, so you've got solar panels?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's a battery.
Yeah, you need more...
Yeah, it has to be collected.
It's like...
Have you ever seen those solar things that you can use to charge your phone?
They're pretty dope.
It's like a laptop.
Like you open it up.
Yeah, and you lay it...
You can just let it sit on a rock, and it'll soak up enough energy from the sun to power your phone at the end of the day.
Super lame if you need that.
Backpack hikes.
My friend Adam, he's actually in Montana right now.
He uses that to send these updates from the top of the fucking mountain.
That's what he's using for his power.
He's got this solar thing and he just unfolds it.
brendan schaub
That makes sense if you do all that shit.
But if you live in LA, don't bring that shit out.
Just charge in your car, huh?
joe rogan
But if you have a car, yeah, that's probably a good idea.
But if you're in an Uber all the time or something like that, what if you're responsible?
brendan schaub
If you're an Uber, look at that fucking thing.
Just charge your cell phone.
Ah, let me just get out my fucking backpack full of solar panels.
unidentified
Damn, that's a little too big.
joe rogan
Well, no, it folds up.
See, it folds up and three panels collapse together so it's like a laptop.
brendan schaub
It's three iPads.
joe rogan
Well, it's not that much bigger than your fucking iPad.
eddie bravo
There needs to be a solar panel in the back of your goddamn phone just like that.
It ain't going like that.
joe rogan
Well, that's on the new Fisker cars.
unidentified
Let's get there.
joe rogan
Check this out.
The new Fisker.
They got a new one.
You know, they blew up and they kind of went out of business for a while.
brendan schaub
See, I still wanted one.
It's only if they get wet.
joe rogan
Well, these apparently won't blow up.
What happened was, if you don't know the story, there was a hurricane came.
All the ones that were on the dock in North Carolina exploded when the water hit them.
brendan schaub
I was about to get one too for a steal.
joe rogan
So now they have one that has a roof.
Check it out, Eddie.
Look behind you.
brendan schaub
That's a Fisker.
Goddamn, that thing's sick.
joe rogan
So the roof on these things is solar powered.
The roof can actually power the car, allegedly.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, in somewhere like L.A., it totally makes sense, right?
Because we have so much sun.
eddie bravo
In Phoenix, shit.
brendan schaub
Seattle, go ahead and pass on that car.
joe rogan
Yeah, in Seattle, you'll starve to death on the side of the road.
eddie bravo
It's so hot in parts of the country, you would think that, I mean, you could use all...
There's enough heat to power everything.
brendan schaub
That car's sick, though, fast, too.
joe rogan
Does it say it'll pull the whole car?
It guarantees about a mile and a half of propulsion per day.
A solar roof feeds the main battery and generates about a mile and a half of propulsion per day.
That ain't shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's a waste of my fucking time.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
A mile and a half per day?
joe rogan
Okay, oh, listen to that.
Park your car at the airport for a week and get home on the power of the sun.
Maybe, if you live seven miles away, but goddamn, you're pushing it.
brendan schaub
God, I mean, that's stressful.
joe rogan
Yeah, what if you hit traffic and you see that meter going down and you turn your radio off and you're like, fuck.
You don't want to get off the grid on that one.
eddie bravo
You want that gas can right there.
joe rogan
I like gas.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
I'm old school.
joe rogan
The electricity is a fascinating future for sure, but man, early adopters, right now you're not really an early adopter, you're like a mid-time adopter, but it's a pain in the ass.
When I rented one, they don't last that long.
I went to the improv and back home, and it was more than a half of a battery.
brendan schaub
They're just not fun either.
Like, I enjoy driving.
I love driving.
I mean, sit in traffic, I don't, but I love driving.
Got a PCH, something like that.
In the Tesla, it's just, it's not fun for me.
joe rogan
But you had that Prius.
eddie bravo
How could it not be fun?
brendan schaub
And I fucking would kick it every time I had to get into it.
I sold that thing so fast when the lease was up.
So get the shit out of my face.
I hated it.
eddie bravo
You don't think it's fun?
I drove a Tesla once.
brendan schaub
It's not fun as hell.
unidentified
No?
brendan schaub
Try driving a real sports car.
eddie bravo
Because like you, oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
And then jumping that, you're like, what?
joe rogan
I think they're pretty badass.
I see Eddie's point.
They're so cool.
eddie bravo
Finally, an electric car that looks cool, because pimps fucking drive those things, you know what I mean?
brendan schaub
The Fiskars are badass.
joe rogan
Fiskars better looking.
Fiskars looks like a Maserati.
Fuck the Tesla.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but the Teslas look cool, right?
unidentified
Correct, sir.
eddie bravo
Finally.
They look better than a Prius.
joe rogan
Yeah, they definitely look cool.
Like Brian's, that white one, that looks pretty slick.
brendan schaub
Prius will bum you out.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's transportation, though.
I mean, that's what it is.
There's a difference between a transportation vehicle and, like, that Corvette that you were driving, that Z06 convertible.
That thing is just a rollercoaster ride.
joe schilling
Yeah, it's like, it's stressful to drive it, too.
joe rogan
Is it?
joe schilling
It's kind of stressful to drive it.
joe rogan
Too much power?
joe schilling
It's like too much power.
Like, the Ferrari, I like the Ferrari better, but they're about the same, like...
Speed-wise, I mean, they're about as fast.
If I raced one or the other, it would be just as fast.
But in the Ferrari, the passenger is terrified, and you feel like you're in total control.
In the Corvette, you're both fucking terrified.
You have no control.
It's 650 horsepower and 650 torque.
It's a lot.
Fucking crazy.
brendan schaub
That's why so many Dodge Vipers, when they first came out, remember the first car really that was on mass production.
It was 500 horsepower, 500 pounds of torque.
And guys, it was just like crazy eyes off Mr. Deeds.
They're like, these things are fast.
joe rogan
I'm just running into walls and shit.
I have a new Viper.
brendan schaub
There's a stick, too.
joe rogan
Have you seen that new Viper that they have?
The new one that's built just for the racetrack, but you could drive it around the street?
It's insane.
joe schilling
Really?
joe rogan
It's insane.
It is like the closest thing you can get to a dick on wheels.
Like a giant spaceship dick.
brendan schaub
Oh, they bring it up right now.
We all get boners.
If you're a car guy, everyone get boners.
joe rogan
Pull that thing up.
Look at this thing.
That fucking thing is so goddamn fast, too.
It's just insanely fast.
What year is that one, Jamie?
2017. 2017. It's a scary-ass car, too.
brendan schaub
I want that 1993, old-school, 40 G's Viper.
joe rogan
They keep taking these things to racetracks and breaking the track record over and over and over again.
It's just a monstrous car, but ridiculous to drive.
brendan schaub
It's the ACR, is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's the SRT ACR, I think they call it.
Fuck you!
brendan schaub
They're so sick.
joe schilling
It's a V12? I don't know what it is.
brendan schaub
I think it's a V10. People are getting away from V12s.
joe rogan
I think it's a V10. Look at that fucking face.
eddie bravo
What's the Viper of Ford?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
What's Ford's baby?
unidentified
The GT? Well, Ford has a Ford GT. That thing's sick.
brendan schaub
That thing is sick.
joe rogan
That's an amazing car.
brendan schaub
The Shelby Cobra.
unidentified
What about Nissan?
joe rogan
You see the new one?
They got a new one coming out.
joe schilling
No, I just remember the GT just looked like...
joe rogan
The door?
joe schilling
It was just ugly.
joe rogan
The door was goofy.
Dana White had one of those, I believe.
brendan schaub
I dig them.
eddie bravo
What's the monster of Nissan?
joe rogan
The old GTR?
They have one of the fastest cars ever.
Accurate doesn't really have, they have an NSX that's coming out.
eddie bravo
Not an Accurate, uh...
I like the NSX.
joe schilling
NSX is Accurate.
joe rogan
They still make those?
They make a new one, but it's not like the old one.
The old one was like a stick shift, light car, aluminum.
The new one is four-wheel drive, turbo, it's automatic.
brendan schaub
The Nissan GTR, though, at my age, especially your guys' age, you'd feel like a dick driving.
Because it's like, are you from Fast and Furious?
eddie bravo
The first time you ever got high, it was too much.
joe schilling
It's kind of like Supra-ish.
brendan schaub
If you were in high school, you'd be killing it.
joe schilling
Yeah, killing it.
brendan schaub
With a GTR. Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Say he's Northcutt, pulls up to the club.
brendan schaub
That's his fucking car.
joe rogan
That's what he's got.
He has one of those.
joe schilling
Is it?
Yeah, he has a GTR. It makes perfect sense.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
Perfect for him.
brendan schaub
That is handsome.
joe rogan
I can't think of a handsome fellow with a slick rod.
brendan schaub
Slick ride.
joe rogan
Those are fun cars, though, man.
Who gives a fuck what anybody else thinks when you show up?
joe schilling
800 horsepower or something, I think.
joe rogan
Listen, man, you think people don't think you're a douchebag when you pull up in that Continental GT? Easy.
eddie bravo
Bentley.
brendan schaub
Bentley Supersport.
There's only 200 of them.
joe rogan
Big difference.
unidentified
Big difference.
joe rogan
It's a Bentley.
brendan schaub
Big difference.
joe schilling
That's exactly what I thought when I pulled up and parked outside.
I was like, oh, this fucking douchebag.
eddie bravo
I like the shape of that one the most.
joe rogan
That's a dope car.
That's a GTR. And that car is silly fast.
brendan schaub
Stupid fast.
joe rogan
And they handle like a dream, man.
I rented one of those.
You could rent them from Hertz.
Hertz rents them in Austin.
I rented one for a few days and drove it around.
It was amazing.
brendan schaub
Great car, just not for me.
joe schilling
You rented the Hellcat, too, yeah?
Yeah.
How was that?
joe rogan
Fucking awesome.
joe schilling
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
You're laughing when you're driving it.
You're like, why can't you make this?
joe schilling
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's got 660-something fucking, or was it 700?
brendan schaub
700, right?
Almost 750. It's just crazy!
Where do you go from there, though?
unidentified
It's crazy!
brendan schaub
Where does Dodge go from there?
joe schilling
Who knows?
joe rogan
Well, that's what we're saying, you know, about the evolution of this stuff.
They're trying to have unlimited growth in performance cars.
It's going to get to some weird place where...
I mean, it is already.
If you can go and buy one of those Z06s, you could be an 18-year-old kid and go out and buy a Corvette Z06. And for what that is, I realize it's expensive.
brendan schaub
For what that car's performance is, it's cheap.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
It's a supercar that's affordable.
joe rogan
Well, sort of affordable.
It's a $90,000 car, right?
brendan schaub
No, compared to other supercars, though.
At what point is the speed...
unidentified
For a supercar.
eddie bravo
It seems like every year, the 0-60 gets...
At what point does it stop?
joe rogan
Exactly, that's what we're saying.
brendan schaub
Well, the electric ones are beating everything.
That Ludacris shit, they're getting nuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're pretty close.
I think that...
joe schilling
The older model was the insane button and the huss ludicrous button.
joe rogan
Cut to ludicrous!
Yeah.
joe schilling
Like the meatballs or whatever, there's going to be like all those fucking buttons.
brendan schaub
Ludicrous feed!
unidentified
Ludicrous!
joe rogan
It's a weird car, man.
It's a weird car.
You know, it's ridiculously fast.
How fast do you need to go?
They're going to get it down to probably like one second.
I wonder if the government's going to like step in.
I mean, they keep you from doing certain shit.
How come they don't keep you from driving motorcycles?
I was thinking that while I was watching this guy zip past me on the highway today.
unidentified
It's...
joe rogan
With a girl on his back.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
joe rogan
I was like, oh, please don't fall.
I'm just watching.
I'm going, please don't fall.
I don't want to see you guys turn into me.
joe schilling
I don't want to pass you on the road.
brendan schaub
It's so insane.
Dude, on Thursday, I was in the Beverly Hills area, and I'm coming down, and I'm at the light.
I had a long day.
I'm like, goddamn, that was a long day, feeling sorry for myself for whatever reason.
And this...
Fucking car is making a left-hand turn and these young kids aren't paying attention.
They're like talking and looking back probably going 60. I'm like, oh, this ain't good.
unidentified
Kadoosh!
brendan schaub
The front of the both the cars is basically ripped off.
Engine.
I mean just a complete shit show.
The kids that hit the car get out.
They're fine.
Like some foreign kids.
Girl was pretty hot.
Anyways, they get out.
But the car that they hit was like a Cadillac CTS or whatever, brand new, with the temp tags.
An older lady gets out.
I'm watching like, what the fuck is this?
This old lady gets out and she's crying.
She goes to the side that got hit.
Her husband's there and they can't get him out.
He's like unconscious, can't get him out.
So I'm like, shit, I better do something.
So I pull off to the side.
I run over.
They're finally getting him out and I look at him and his fucking...
He must have hit the front and his teeth, his lip, just blood everywhere, man.
This guy was gangster.
He's like, did you see what fucking happened?
Did you see?
I didn't want to be a witness.
There's a million other people.
I'm like, I sure didn't, man.
Good luck.
I called 911. You didn't want to be a witness?
Nah.
Well, I helped them, and there's enough people around where they can...
There's literally 50 other witnesses.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I don't know if you should have admitted that.
brendan schaub
Ah, believe me, they had it.
They had it.
I had to get going.
I had to get home to my son.
I had to get home to my son, man.
joe schilling
I hope they have it.
brendan schaub
No, they got it for sure.
There was literally 50 people around who saw the same shit.
They don't need frickin' my play-by-play on it.
joe rogan
That sounds a little better.
brendan schaub
They don't.
They're fine.
There's cops everywhere.
joe schilling
They're fine.
brendan schaub
CSI was on that shit.
joe rogan
So whose fault was it?
Was it the kids' fault?
brendan schaub
The kids, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
Goddamn, man.
It is amazing when you think that someone just can give you a car when you're 17 years old.
I remember being...
Well, I got in a bunch of car accidents when I was 17. Me too.
brendan schaub
Bad, bad one.
joe rogan
But I was so stupid.
I was so dumb.
I was so dumb and completely reckless, and the idea that someone just gave me a 2,000 pound plus thing with an engine.
brendan schaub
It's nuts, man.
joe rogan
You just barely know how to fucking pay attention to the brakes and the oil, and you're barely, and you're part of this.
brendan schaub
Now add cell phones into the mix.
The kids are addicted to cell phones.
joe rogan
They're texting and doing a triangle.
brendan schaub
Twitter and all that shit.
joe rogan
Just gotta shift a little to the right, my friend.
brendan schaub
Good stack.
joe rogan
Just scoot that hip out.
Readjust.
Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
eddie bravo
Good stacking.
joe rogan
Hey, do you, Eddie, do you still do the teepee?
Is that still legit?
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Remember the teepee?
eddie bravo
Yes.
It's still totally legit.
brendan schaub
It is, right?
eddie bravo
I just haven't gone to it in a long time.
joe rogan
You gotta be kind of fresh to pull it off.
eddie bravo
No, it all depends on where your opponent's hands are.
Generally, guys...
You know, have their hands up here.
joe rogan
The teepee's like a triangle variation where you reach behind the knees with an S-grip, right?
Was it an S-grip?
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's like this instead of...
brendan schaub
Because you don't have to be fully closed, what you're saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have to be fully closed.
You actually go all the way up to the ankles.
brendan schaub
And he's wrapping his arm around your leg so you really can't adjust.
eddie bravo
So then you just go here, go around, and...
brendan schaub
It's tight now.
eddie bravo
Get people to sleep with that shit.
joe rogan
It works.
Oh, this guy's doomed.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's in really, really tight.
Cross that arm.
joe rogan
All he has to do is keep...
This guy's going to keep throwing punches at him.
He's going to go out.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
That shit is so tight.
eddie bravo
That angle, though.
Oh, it's over.
brendan schaub
He's in trouble now.
Yeah, pull the head down.
joe rogan
He's going to tap.
eddie bravo
He's about to tap.
brendan schaub
Nah, he's about to tap.
joe rogan
This guy's tough as fuck, man.
eddie bravo
Damn, that's some good stacking.
joe rogan
He's adjusting.
Nope, he lost it.
He lost it.
Wow, he lost it.
eddie bravo
That's some good stacking right there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it really is.
joe rogan
But he doesn't have it anymore.
brendan schaub
Nope, he's out.
eddie bravo
He's breaking that shit open with his shoulder.
brendan schaub
The cage is helping him, too.
joe rogan
God damn it.
unidentified
Endurance.
joe rogan
So much of a factor.
You know, I'm starting to listen to Nick Curzon.
Schilling, I know you're training with him.
I'm starting to listen to him more and more.
And one of the things that he said that I was like, wow, that's such a controversial thing to say.
He's like, when you're in camp for a fight, you should be doing all strength and conditioning.
He goes, you already know how to fight.
He's like, you should be literally concentrating almost entirely on your gas tank.
I was like, wow.
Like, think about that.
Like, skill work up until fight camp, preparing for fight camp, massive strength and conditioning.
brendan schaub
How long would it camp be in his book?
eddie bravo
It's a good question.
And I never understood it, really.
It was like, cardio is the most important.
How's your cardio?
brendan schaub
I think it makes sense.
It depends what level you're at.
If you're CM Punk, go ahead and just kind of mix everything in there.
joe rogan
That didn't matter.
That didn't matter.
brendan schaub
I was just saying from experiencing, because he doesn't have...
If you're a Joe Schilling...
joe rogan
That's rare, though.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but if you're a Joe Schilling, you have world-class striking, and you're in a striking contest, for sure get in shape.
Because you're not going to learn how to throw a jab or a right high kick any better.
It's just repetitions, right?
So your cardio and strength condition make sense.
If you're a young guy, man...
I disagree.
joe schilling
Well I just think that's his...
It's accurate but it's like he's a...
Eddie's going to tell you that you should do nothing but work on your jiu-jitsu.
I'm going to say you should do nothing but work on your fucking striking.
Your boxing coach is going to say you need to work on your skill.
Your strength and conditioning coach is going to say the same thing.
eddie bravo
And the truth is you're going to work on everything all the time.
unidentified
If you're going to do MMA, it's all the time.
joe rogan
But here's the other thought, right?
When you see a guy like Damien Maia, it's a one-trick pony with one fucking amazing trick.
eddie bravo
His stand-up is pretty good, though.
Damon Myers can stand-up.
He's got good stand-up.
joe rogan
For sure.
But his game is very obvious what he's going to do.
It's not like he's mixing up things.
You don't know he's going to high-kick you.
eddie bravo
For a while there, he was trying to kick-box.
brendan schaub
And losing.
eddie bravo
And then he changed his whole strategy.
He changed the whole...
Same thing with Sakuraba towards the end of his career.
His strategy was always like, I'm just going to stand with dudes and maybe take them down.
Then at the end of Sakuraba's career, he decided, holy shit, I better take dudes down and choke them out because I've been knocked out way too many times.
brendan schaub
But with Maya...
But if Maya fights...
But Wonderboy, he's sure as fuck not gonna...
We know the gameplay is from both guys.
joe rogan
But don't you think that Maia got better at his ground game?
I mean, he got better at his overall mixed martial arts game once his stand-up got good enough where he wasn't nervous about it anymore.
Like, if you watch him fight, his timing is excellent.
And his stand-up defense is very good.
Like, his knowledge of when he's in trouble, when he's not.
brendan schaub
I think he knows who he is, finally.
And that's a big part of winning in the octagon.
eddie bravo
You know, and that part of wanting to be a kickboxer for a few fights, that attitude, I think he needed to go through that.
He needed to get through that.
Because every jiu-jitsu guy's biggest fear is standing with someone in the octagon and having the whole world watch you get knocked out.
They got, you know, generally, it takes a while to get to that point where Joe is.
brendan schaub
He's going to pass.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's mounting.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
joe rogan
Hanging on to it.
Oh, yeah, that's tight.
Jesus Christ.
I would like to see how his hands are gripped here.
But it looks pretty goddamn tight.
He's alright?
Yeah, he could have got that stopped right there, right?
eddie bravo
It's hard to tell what he has.
joe rogan
Remember that when fucking, was it Takata lied and said that Hoist was choked out?
Remember that shit?
eddie bravo
Takata lied.
joe rogan
Was it Takata?
eddie bravo
Yes, that's right.
joe rogan
Was it him?
No, it wasn't Takata.
Takata's the guy who...
eddie bravo
It was Yoshida.
joe rogan
Yoshida.
joe schilling
Oh, he said he was out and I stopped it and he wasn't?
Or what?
What do you mean?
eddie bravo
Was it Yoshida?
And people were like, you know, they'd post that little gif of him going limp.
brendan schaub
Right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Yoshida.
Yeah, that's right.
Yoshida, wasn't he an Olympic gold medalist in judo?
eddie bravo
Some high level.
Yeah, I think he was a gold medalist.
unidentified
So he goes for the Ezekiel choke.
joe rogan
Hoist is fine.
Hoist never taps out.
And by the way, Hoist would have just gone unconscious.
100%.
100%.
And he did go unconscious.
I mean, there was a fight where he fought Waleed Ishmael.
eddie bravo
He went unconscious.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look.
He's fine.
They pull him off, and he's wide awake.
You can't tell right there, can you?
brendan schaub
The refs will fuck up.
joe schilling
The refs with earpieces.
brendan schaub
Well, like in the Verdum-Trash Brown fight, the ref fucked up, huh?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Pretty bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Like, you can't have timeouts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I wish I got timeouts.
You just can't have timeouts.
joe rogan
The referee definitely fucked up there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe schilling
That was well played, though.
I mean, of course you're gonna do that.
joe rogan
Well, I think he was probably thinking about stopping.
I mean, his finger was snapped in half.
I mean, we couldn't tell what was going on.
brendan schaub
From a punch, though.
joe rogan
Yes, from a punch.
joe schilling
But, like, from that ref's perspective, if you're, because sometimes your finger does, you know, grapple or whatever, your finger comes out of the glove, and you're like, whoa, whoa, fix my glove, and then fix your glove.
So, like, the ref didn't know until he looked at it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
The ref didn't actually stopped it, right?
The ref did stop it.
eddie bravo
But that pickup was good because everyone was cool with it.
Can you imagine if he would've stopped the fight?
That would've sucked.
Who cares?
You wanted to see the fight.
joe schilling
Like, oh, let it go.
unidentified
Fuck it.
eddie bravo
No, no, we're good.
Everyone's good.
brendan schaub
Well, the way that turned out, keep fighting.
eddie bravo
Who cares what the rule is?
brendan schaub
We gotta have rules.
eddie bravo
But if he had a dislocated finger, I think everybody would agree really quick if there was a button to vote.
Say, do we let, do we, give him a couple fucking seconds.
His fucking finger is twisted off.
brendan schaub
But where do you stop it at?
Where do you stop it?
Ah, fuck, I'm gonna convert my joint hurts.
Hold on, time out.
Let's restart this shit.
eddie bravo
You wish you would've stopped it?
brendan schaub
You have to have rules.
There's no exceptions.
You have to have rules for a reason.
eddie bravo
So you wanted it to stop.
brendan schaub
The rest of that fight was complete shit.
I wouldn't mind it.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Fabricio Verdun...
Here's the deal, though.
According to the ruse, Fabricio Verdun was well within his rights to keep punching.
brendan schaub
100%.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
So when he punched him, the referee hadn't stopped, and he was saying he was calling timeout, but you can't really do that.
You can't do that.
And then the fact that they just kept going afterwards, he decided, I'm just going to fight with a broken finger, which is admirable, right?
But it's like, okay, but what would have happened if you didn't stop?
I mean, when he broke your finger with that punch, how much different is that than breaking someone's thigh with a leg kick?
When they get hurt, you don't stop.
You keep going.
brendan schaub
Think if they stop with a leg kick and be like, hold Hold on, hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Fuck, my shit hurts.
brendan schaub
And there's like, how bad is it?
That's not, bro.
Keep going.
joe rogan
Alright, cool.
When someone breaks your forearm, that happens all the time.
It happens all the time.
Someone blocks a kick and they get their forearm broken.
They stop the fight.
You know, they stop the fight.
brendan schaub
Every time.
Well, Verdun went into that fight with a broken foot, too.
joe rogan
But so, when you're, you know, you catch a punch, and it was one of those weird Chuck Liddell-style overhand rights that kind of literally comes down.
unidentified
On the finger.
joe rogan
And it came down on his finger.
joe schilling
So weird.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that is a freak accident.
joe rogan
It's a tricky situation.
eddie bravo
Is it illegal to break your opponent's fingers?
joe rogan
No, not like that.
You're not supposed to target small joints.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's no joint manipulation of the fingers.
eddie bravo
But since it wasn't on purpose, just like an eye poke.
It's not legal, but if it happens, you don't stop the fight.
You're just like...
joe rogan
Did you see the eye poke?
eddie bravo
It was an accident.
Accident, eye poke, accident, finger snap off.
joe schilling
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at this heel hook.
brendan schaub
He has nowhere to go.
joe rogan
He's got no left leg here, too.
Left leg's not in play.
eddie bravo
If he could kick him in the face right now, shit.
That'd be a different story.
joe rogan
You should be able to.
eddie bravo
You should be.
Didn't one FC chain, didn't they go back to no kicks to the head?
joe schilling
Yeah, they had a lot of really bad highlights recently.
Some fools getting soccer kicked bad.
joe rogan
Well, did you see the Roger Huerta one?
joe schilling
Is it online?
joe rogan
Can we check that out?
joe schilling
I remember seeing one recently.
It was fucking nasty.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I love Roger.
eddie bravo
Last fight?
joe rogan
He fought 170, and Roger fought 155 in the UFC, and he fought a big Brazilian dude.
It wasn't his last fight.
His last fight, he lost a decision.
But it was a bad knockout.
eddie bravo
So he had a fight since?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's had more than one fight since, I believe.
brendan schaub
I think Brandon Vera in that same league kicked a motherfucker in the face, too.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
brendan schaub
Good luck getting kicked by that dude.
joe rogan
See, soccer kicks are very different when there's a cage because you can't get your head out of the way.
If it's ropes, you can get your head under the ropes and you can kind of move and get away from things.
Here it is.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Show that again, Jamie.
eddie bravo
Oh!
brendan schaub
That'll do it.
eddie bravo
But that's a fight, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he was already hurt and in bad place.
eddie bravo
If it was up to you, Brendan, would you allow that in the UFC or keep it the way it is?
brendan schaub
I would not keep it the way it is.
eddie bravo
What about you, Joe?
brendan schaub
Unless you hate ratings and sponsors.
eddie bravo
I would totally allow it, right?
joe schilling
Totally allow it.
eddie bravo
The dude's bent over.
joe schilling
I'm looking at it from north-south.
Remember when those guys used to drop knees from north-south all the time?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe schilling
Oh, dude, that was the best.
And it changed the way they...
joe rogan
The new rule is a down fighter is four points on the ground, not three points on the ground.
brendan schaub
I like that.
joe rogan
So if you have a guy on the ground and he's covering up in the turtle, all you have to do is hold on to one of his arms.
You pick one of his arms off the ground, and at least by my definition, you could start kicking him and kneeing him in the face.
Right?
If you can't hit a downed opponent.
joe schilling
If he's on all four and you just take one off.
joe rogan
Right.
You just pick one up and you start blasting him.
brendan schaub
The guys were fucking around with it.
joe schilling
If he sits up and he's on his knees, now it's only two feet.
Or is that four because he's got two feet, two knees?
joe rogan
Yeah, is it?
joe schilling
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is that a downed opponent?
What do you consider?
brendan schaub
A knee counts, right?
joe rogan
Right, but two knees.
joe schilling
If you're on your knees.
joe rogan
Like, okay, so if a guy's down, right, once his hand cuts off the ground, that's when it's legal.
But his knees are on the ground, still not legal, right?
Is that how it goes?
brendan schaub
Yeah, still not legal.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
But if a guy, so if a guy, with the new rules, if a guy had his feet flat on the ground, and he was touching the ground with two hands, and you just pulled one of those arms up, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
brendan schaub
Yep, correct.
joe schilling
Right.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
I think when both fighters are on the ground, you should be allowed to kick to the head.
Because I think if a guy can up kick you from the bottom, bullshit, right?
You should totally, like when someone's going for an arm bar, you should be able to kick the fuck out of their face.
unidentified
It's fighting!
joe rogan
Yeah, like why are you allowed to defend yourself from the bottom or me coming at you, but I can't strike you exactly and it gives you an unrealistic It gives you an unrealistic sense of what's real and not real on the ground Because there's a lot of stuff that goes on in the ground that wouldn't happen if the guy could just kick you in the face Because if you're lying in a weird position the guy just blasting shins to your face You're gonna stop what you're doing and have to readjust and you're gonna have to make gonna make that a part of the equation You're gonna have to prepare for that I think that downward elbow shit on the ground is
unidentified
stupid, too.
joe rogan
Poor shit.
joe schilling
Total bullshit.
Makes no sense.
joe rogan
They didn't even change that when they changed the new rules.
brendan schaub
I don't think they brought it up.
joe schilling
If they were going to make that rule about the ice breaking or whatever the fuck their reason was, if I'm standing up and I do that, then okay, yeah.
But on your knees, you're not going to have any power to really break.
It's not like you're a dangerous...
eddie bravo
And it's fighting.
joe rogan
It's no more dangerous than anything else.
joe schilling
Anything that's on the fence, allow it.
eddie bravo
If there's an argument, allow it.
joe rogan
It's fighting.
eddie bravo
But if everyone collectively says, hell fucking no, then yes, those are the ones.
I mean, it's fighting.
Don't you think the UFC represents what true fighting really is?
joe rogan
100%.
It should.
eddie bravo
There should be that still.
joe rogan
Dude, I think we should get rid of the cage.
I think they should hold it in a space the size of a basketball arena.
brendan schaub
Goddammit.
joe rogan
And it should be like a basketball floor, and there should be no fucking cage.
brendan schaub
And they just run forever.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
Okay, if I'm the king of the world, and I get to make the new rules for the UFC, we get rid of the gloves.
No gloves, no hand tapes.
That's all bullshit.
It's out the window.
eddie bravo
You should start a show on an Indian reservation.
You can do anything you want.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
That's easy.
brendan schaub
What about eye gouging and shit?
joe rogan
No gloves?
Well, you eye gouge, immediate deduction of one point.
Immediate.
Two eye gouges, you're out.
brendan schaub
Headbutting?
joe rogan
The fight is over.
eddie bravo
Dude, if you did that on an Indian reservation...
joe rogan
Headbutting should be legal.
joe schilling
If you got me in an arm bar, can I bite your ankle to get it off my face?
joe rogan
No, you can't bite.
joe schilling
See, it's not real, Joe.
joe rogan
Biting is uncivilized.
Biting and eye poking are the only thing that I think of.
joe schilling
Not civilized.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about biting.
brendan schaub
What about ball shots?
joe rogan
Biting is super dangerous as far as bacteria and stuff like that.
I want dudes dying on my show of staff.
But blinding and shit, look, we know we can poke each other in the eyes.
This is not fighting.
brendan schaub
Let's agree not to hit the eyes.
joe rogan
You can't reach into my package and grab my hog either.
brendan schaub
Eyes and dick off limits.
joe rogan
Don't touch the hog, bro.
Head kicks to the back of the head, legal.
Elbows to the back of the head, legal.
eddie bravo
That changes everything.
Elbows to the back of the head.
You don't even need rear naked chokes.
Once they allow the elbows, boom, boom.
joe rogan
Legal.
eddie bravo
All that legal.
joe rogan
Soccer kicks legal.
You guys are barbarians.
Stomps.
Soccer kicks legal.
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
joe rogan
But no cage.
eddie bravo
Rugged fighting champion.
brendan schaub
RFC. Start your own league.
Have that basketball court as a fucking thing.
joe rogan
You have a basketball court for basketball and basketball is boring as fuck.
How about that?
They got that big-ass place for football.
Look at that giant space.
How about two dudes meet in the middle of a fucking football arena?
How about that, son?
unidentified
And go where?
joe rogan
And go crazy.
brendan schaub
God damn it, Joe!
joe schilling
The problem with the basketball arena thing is you're going to have to change all these other rules to force them to fight.
joe rogan
Exactly.
joe schilling
You're going to have to make yellow cards.
You have to make all that shit.
joe rogan
You let the public decide.
joe schilling
Even sparring in an open room, where is it, Big Matt?
It becomes one guy who doesn't want to fucking spar, and you're just walking around the room chasing him.
joe rogan
Good.
Let the 50,000 people that'll come to my shows boo.
unidentified
Boo!
joe rogan
By the way, here's another thing I'm doing.
Here's another thing I do if I'm king of the world.
I bring Ben Askren into the UFC. Immediately.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
joe rogan
It's a disgrace.
brendan schaub
He fucks up everybody.
joe rogan
He sunned him.
Took them down, manhandled them, did whatever the fuck you wanted.
brendan schaub
Let's just go over this real quick.
Let's just cover this real quick.
You'll have CM Punk fight, but not Ben Askren.
joe rogan
What the fuck world are we living in?
That's money, what are you talking about?
eddie bravo
Didn't like 5 billion people watch him?
joe rogan
He made a ton of money.
He made a half a million dollars on paper, what they show, and people were complaining about it.
I'm like, do you know how many eyes that guy brought to that show?
brendan schaub
He's worth that money.
joe rogan
He's a very, very famous guy, and I think he handled it really well.
As far as his post-fight speech, his interview, the way he talked about it, he handled it really...
He gave Mickey Gall a real weird speech to him after it was over.
But you've also got to realize, in some cases, you've got to believe in yourself the way I believe in myself.
brendan schaub
Bitch, I just beat you.
joe schilling
You just got familiar.
That's not really where I want to get my advice from.
unidentified
He went into WWE mode right away, right?
joe rogan
That's his world, man.
This is really his first venture into reality.
You go out there and you think everything's going to go great because it's gone great your whole life with no competition.
And then all of a sudden your first competition is in the UFC. How is it going to go any other way?
brendan schaub
It's insane.
eddie bravo
Maybe he liked it.
Maybe he was like, fuck him.
joe rogan
He says he did.
brendan schaub
There's no way they let him fight again.
There's no way.
eddie bravo
If he liked it, most people were like, fuck that!
I'm not gonna go with my family there and fuck that!
joe rogan
He could totally fight again.
He could totally fight again.
unidentified
In the UFC, no.
joe rogan
But not in the UFC. He's gotta fight as an amateur.
brendan schaub
Joe, he can't.
joe rogan
And he's gotta learn.
brendan schaub
He ruined that shot.
You can't fight an amateur.
When you fight pro, you can't fight an amateur.
joe rogan
Oh, is that how it works?
Yeah.
Okay.
brendan schaub
There's no going back.
joe rogan
Well then, you can fight pro.
But listen, you just gotta fight people that are of the same ability as you.
People that are learning.
brendan schaub
You know what they should do?
Yeah, he should go on like a regional circuit and fight guys with similar experience, have a whole documentary like getting back to the UFC and fucking sell that thing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that would be huge.
brendan schaub
And drop the CM Punk.
What's his real name?
Phil Brooks?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You're Phil Brooks, motherfucker.
Drop the CM Punk.
joe rogan
But I like keeping it because he had that name before he came to WWE. That was his name.
That's why he owns it.
That's why he's allowed to use it still.
And everybody knows him as that.
It's a smart move as far as marketing.
I think that guy could still go on the regional circuit and fight people that are just starting out.
They're just starting out just like him.
And he could probably become a competent fighter, a competent professional fighter.
But that's something that takes a long time.
It's not like he has any handicaps.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
I love how positive you are.
If he has a will and he has a desire, because he enjoys it apparently.
If he has a will and he has a desire and he wants to test himself, I firmly believe that that guy could go and become a competent professional fighter.
No, I didn't say that.
I said a competent professional fighter.
I think he's a smart guy.
I think he's a tough guy.
I just think this was his first real combat sports experience.
And I don't think...
brendan schaub
I just think they did him a disservice.
Granted, he made whatever, seven figures after pay-per-view bonus.
I just think they did him a disservice.
If he actually wanted to pursue this as a career, Dana, the commission, his coaches went, listen, man, you've got to take the necessary steps like everyone else did because There's no turning back.
Once you go to the UFC, man, you're in and out, brother.
joe rogan
Well, you know, guys have come back.
They've gone to other organizations and come back.
brendan schaub
At 38 with no skills, trained for two years.
joe rogan
It's not likely.
It's not likely, but it's also not likely that you become a professional fighter at 37 as well.
None of these things are likely, but who cares about that?
Well, most people are doing something else by the time they're 38, and it's not their career path.
It's very rare that someone decides to go into that at such a late stage of life.
But look, if he's in good shape and he's a healthy guy, what he needs to do is, if he wants to learn, just train all the time.
Train all the time and take your time in getting involved in competition again.
Because you can't get in an argument with someone when you only know four words.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I like the guy.
joe rogan
It's just not going to work, right?
And it's the same thing as a fight.
He's fighting this kid who...
I watched Mickey Gall fight in the UFC's first fight.
I'm like, this fucking kid is good.
Look how he takes that guy's back.
He took that guy's back like a ghost.
brendan schaub
Mickey Gall has some serious work to do as well in that division.
He has a long ways to go.
And he dismantled CM Punk.
joe rogan
But he's a legit brown belt.
brendan schaub
Legit brown belt, but he still has...
If you look at the spectrum of that division at 170, he has a lot of work to do.
joe rogan
Of course, it's an insane division.
brendan schaub
He has a lot of promise.
But he's still very new.
joe rogan
Well, that was kind of what CM Punk was saying to him, because he was saying that he didn't belong in the UFC, and the only reason why he was in the UFC was to fight CM Punk.
He was kind of saying that.
But what the kid's doing is being smart.
He's just self-deprecating.
He's a smart fucking kid.
I like how he called out Sage Northcutt.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
Said he was corny.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe schilling
It was really good.
brendan schaub
Really good.
joe schilling
Jump a few F-bonds.
joe rogan
I'd watch that fight.
brendan schaub
I'd watch that fight.
Oh, fuck yeah!
Does Sage have a fight coming up?
joe rogan
I don't know, dude.
That's the heartthrob fight.
Those two?
brendan schaub
Couple one-two cuties.
joe rogan
Couple dime pieces going at it.
brendan schaub
I don't know why Mickey Gall drives.
Hopefully something cool.
joe rogan
He's going to have to drive American and then shit on the other dude for driving a Japanese car.
That way America gets after him.
I didn't even know.
That fella's got a Japanese car.
brendan schaub
Hook him up, Trump.
joe rogan
Yeah, someone's got to get him up.
And not even like a Corvette, like a Camaro.
brendan schaub
Has to be a Shelby, bro.
joe rogan
Mustang.
brendan schaub
Mustang.
The new one.
Just shits on him.
joe rogan
Juan Canaro back in the action.
Kenny Robertson.
This is a good fight.
Kenny Robertson's slick.
brendan schaub
Kenny Robertson's slick.
joe rogan
Kenny Robertson's the one that hit that weird leg lock.
You remember that weird leg lock he got from a scramble?
It was a real strange knee bar.
I was like, dude, I don't think I've seen one of those before.
eddie bravo
I don't remember.
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember how he hit it.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about...
Oh, here it is.
eddie bravo
He fought Ben Saunders.
brendan schaub
Who the fuck is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's just Kenny Robinson talking.
Why, they have it in the video?
eddie bravo
He's solid.
Solid wrestler.
Good jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
The knee bars?
eddie bravo
He's no joke, man.
joe rogan
Kenny Robinson is very smart.
eddie bravo
That was a tough fight.
Him and Ben Saunders.
That was tough.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Three hard rounds.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about your boy Chael Sonnen, Simon Bellator?
joe rogan
Good move.
brendan schaub
Good move, right?
Smart move for him.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I hope Shane Carwin does it too.
Not necessarily that I hope Shane doesn't sign with the UFC. I hope he signs wherever he gets the best deal, 100%.
But I think it's good to have guys like Rory.
It's good to have legit, world-class fighters over there.
I like it.
I think competition's good for everything.
It's good for everybody.
It elevates everybody, everywhere.
brendan schaub
With Chael, it was a little...
Like, last night I was watching Bellator and they had Chael do...
You know, he does this whole gangster shit-talking.
Remember, he hasn't been around in a while.
So when you used to, like, freaking Conor McGregor shit-talking, when CM Punk...
It was like Hot Tub Time Machine.
Like, it was a little old school.
And I talked to Chael yesterday.
I love Chael.
I fucking love Chael.
unidentified
But I was like, eesh, this is tough.
brendan schaub
This is old school.
joe rogan
It certainly seemed prepared.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe schilling
Yeah, but isn't that always how he did it?
brendan schaub
Yeah, but it was more natural.
But also, there's no, like, he's calling out Tito Ortiz, you know, and there's, like, no real animosity.
And then Tito tweeted back, like, I'm gonna show you who the bad guy is at the bad girl party.
I'm like, goddammit, we have two 40-year-olds talking shit on Twitter.
unidentified
Look at Joe!
brendan schaub
Silence!
And I fucking love Joe.
I love to see him fight, but seeing his shit talking compared to Conor's, it's like, well, Conor took that torch and ran with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had dinner the other night with Maynard from Tool.
Maynard Keenan is a buddy of mine.
And he's in jiu-jitsu.
He's a purple belt, loves jiu-jitsu, loves MMA. And we were talking about the UFC, and he goes, God damn it, why the fuck is it becoming a WWE? Yeah.
He goes, this is making me sad.
He's like, everybody's trying to be Conor McGregor, and they're coming up with these corny fucking pre-fight promos.
brendan schaub
It's tough, man.
joe rogan
And he's like, oh!
It makes me just want to not...
Because he's just a fucking super smart genius dude.
brendan schaub
Purest of the sport.
joe rogan
And he loves martial arts.
So when he sees non-martial artist type behavior, like pro wrestling type behavior, I'm like, look, they're just trying to sell themselves.
brendan schaub
TJ Dillashaw's talking about it.
He goes, I just beat the fucking number two contender.
I'm ranked number one.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Give me the fucking rematch.
What do I got to do?
He goes, I'm not a shit talker.
I'm not going to do that.
I'll tell you, I'm not finding one but that.
I went, I don't know if it's enough.
Is there any way you can watch like Ric Flair or some shit and just pick up a couple?
joe schilling
Yeah, come on.
brendan schaub
Can you just pick up a few things?
Like watch Macho Man and just start spitting some game online.
joe schilling
It's sports entertainment.
joe rogan
But the thing is, you can't, like, Connor is that guy.
brendan schaub
That's him.
joe rogan
Like, that's how he talks all the time.
He's a sharp shit-talker from Ireland, and he knows how to fight, and he knows how to talk, and it's an unusual combination.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Most guys don't know how to talk that know how to fight, and most guys who know how to talk don't know how to fight.
Correct.
When you can talk that much shit and fight that well.
brendan schaub
You're a unicorn.
joe rogan
Well, he's a unicorn also.
He can fight.
The mindfuckings he puts on dudes, because he can talk so much shit, the love of all those people that are behind him, all those Irish people, and then the mindfucking from them screaming at you all the time the entire, you know, six weeks up until the fight, and then the shit that he says about you, and the fact that he might very well sleep you.
He might very well drop that nuclear left hand on your face.
brendan schaub
Rumor is Eddie Alvarez and him tangoing.
unidentified
I know a little something that I wish I could tell.
brendan schaub
Just give me an eyebrow raise.
joe rogan
If it was a rumor, there's the Kenny Robertson leg lock.
He took it from the back.
That's what it was.
Crazy, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah, I remember that one.
brendan schaub
Damn, motherfucker stretched out.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that shit wouldn't work with me.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're too stretchy.
eddie bravo
But then you got Ron Carnero, who's a jiu-jitsu black belt, really good on the ground.
He'll fight forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, Carnero's nasty.
eddie bravo
On the ground, Kenny's gonna have a hard time.
brendan schaub
He sure did, sir.
joe rogan
His jiu-jitsu's very nasty.
Very nasty.
Yeah, it's an interesting fight, man.
brendan schaub
With Eddie and Connor?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If it happens, allegedly, at Madison Square Garden, if it happens, allegedly, in a couple months, maybe it is going to happen.
brendan schaub
Maybe it is going to happen.
joe rogan
But if it does happen, Eddie's a big boy.
joe schilling
Do you think that might happen, Joe?
brendan schaub
Eddie's a big boy, and he can grapple.
joe rogan
Freaking grapple?
brendan schaub
People forget that I'm going to fucking wrestle his ass.
joe rogan
He's a fucking grinder, and whatever endurance issues Connor may have, he better iron those fuckers out before you go to town with that guy.
brendan schaub
You know I'm the biggest Conor McGregor fan on the planet.
I love that guy.
But looking at his potential opponents at 155 and at 70, it's like, fuck, man.
It doesn't look pretty.
And Eddie's a rough matchup for him.
It's probably his easiest.
joe rogan
It really is.
I don't think it's an easy one at all.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
brendan schaub
No, no.
I'm saying at 55, they're all fucking tough.
joe rogan
They are all tough.
brendan schaub
Stylistically, if you're like, god damn, I guess Eddie's the best matchup.
That's saying a lot.
Because Eddie's in a fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
I don't think Eddie's the best matchup at all.
brendan schaub
Who would you say is?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, Eddie's known for having a chin.
He's known for having a chin and known for being able to bounce back from getting hurt.
He's got massive heart.
And he fights at his best when the chips are on the line.
Like in the Dos Anjos fight.
Nobody gave him a shot in that fight.
Who gave him a shot in that fight?
He's probably like at least two to one underdog, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He's going into that fight with a dominant champion, Rafael Dos Anjos, who just got done stopping Cowboy Cerrone in the first round, working Nate Diaz, beating the shit out of Pettis for five rounds.
You're looking at Dos Anjos going, holy shit, this guy might be able to run this division for a long time.
And Alvarez clips him.
And he looked real good before he clipped him.
brendan schaub
He looked fast and sharp.
He had some sleeper fights before then.
joe rogan
We had some bad ones.
brendan schaub
We didn't see the real Eddie Alvarez until that fight.
You're like, that's the fucking Bellator.
That's the fucking free agent that we wanted to see.
The Gilbert Melendez fight, Andy Pettis fight.
You're like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He's gotten better.
Part of it is he's gotten better.
brendan schaub
Well, the UFC jitters are real.
No matter if you have 30 fights or apparently if you have zero, if you're CM Punk, those jitters are real.
joe rogan
Where is he training now?
brendan schaub
Who, Eddie Alvarez?
joe rogan
Is he with your boy, Mark Henry?
brendan schaub
He's with Mark Henry.
joe rogan
That's a big part of it.
brendan schaub
And Frankie Edgar, and he's wrestling at Rutgers.
He's a monster, man.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, Mark Henry is a motherfucker, dude.
brendan schaub
They have Barbosa.
They have all those guys.
But you look at the top five, and for Conor, it's fucking tough, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is tough.
But I think that's part of the reason why Eddie looks so good now.
He looks so fucking sharp.
You can't discount the fact he's training with Barbosa, he's training with Frankie Edgar, and he's absorbing from Henry.
brendan schaub
He's the mastermind of Mark Henry.
joe rogan
He's a Bad motherfucker, dude.
He's the most slept-on trainer.
Mark Henry, the most slept-on trainer.
brendan schaub
It's because he doesn't want to be in the limelight and he hates that stuff.
But if he was more outspoken, I mean, Jesus Christ.
He'd be all over the map.
joe rogan
Rashad pulled me aside at one of the UFCs and was just going on and on about what a bad motherfucker he is.
brendan schaub
I've never seen anything like him.
He still checks in on me all the time.
I don't fight anymore.
I worked with him for maybe two or three weeks and he would have, I'm telling you, man, like a pad like this in his basement.
I had sores on my feet because I was barefoot in his basement doing footwork nonstop.
He had notes for fucking days.
Like, he's obsessed with it.
Yeah, he's brilliant.
joe rogan
Clearly on the spectrum.
brendan schaub
Makes the best pizza in fucking New Jersey in the world, too.
unidentified
I heard.
joe rogan
I heard he's a silly cook.
unidentified
What?!
brendan schaub
God!
That motherfucker's pizza is off the charts.
joe rogan
And that's a place where pizza is highly praised.
You've got to come with some real pizza if you want to make a living selling pizza in New Jersey.
brendan schaub
Coaching up world champions and making mean-ass pizza.
joe rogan
I don't think that's an easy fight.
brendan schaub
I don't think there's any easy fights at 150. That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying if you look at those top five, none of them are easy at all.
joe rogan
The future doesn't look great at 55. See, I can't say that either, because...
brendan schaub
Look at that top five.
Tell me the best matchups.
joe rogan
Well, Nate is clearly one of the best.
Nate's clearly one of the best 155-pounders.
brendan schaub
Diaz?
joe rogan
Yes.
He's better at 55 than he is 70. Yeah, well, 70's not really fighting at 70. I mean, he fought Rory at 70. I'm just saying he fought Conor at 70, and that was a tough outing.
He did that because that's what they did the first time when they took the fight last minute notice.
He wanted to have the exact same conditions.
That's why Conor did it at 70 again.
But Nate's a 155-er.
And at 155, when he fought Michael Johnson, when he's shredded, he looked at his best, right?
brendan schaub
He's a better Nate Diaz.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you see the Nate Diaz that beat Michael Johnson at 55, he's one of the best fighters in that division, for sure.
Hands down.
brendan schaub
Not even close.
joe rogan
So, Conor just beat him.
I mean, obviously a very close fight, very close decision, but I think it was probably a fair decision.
I don't have to go over it and score it.
I haven't gone over it and scored it.
brendan schaub
It was a fair decision.
I mean, I don't think anyone lost in that fight, but going to the judges, I did have Conor slightly edging that fight.
joe rogan
I think you look at the damage done.
He did more damage.
He dropped Nate.
brendan schaub
You know what Nate says about that?
I saw Nate at the grocery store randomly, and he was saying, That he was falling on purpose to dupe Connor.
And he goes, I knew the first two, three rounds were going to be, he's so fast, it's going to be tough.
So when he hit me, the plan was to fall down, to get him to follow me down.
He goes, because I couldn't take him down, so the plan was to get him to follow me down there.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's interesting.
brendan schaub
That's a risky game plan.
That's a very risky game plan.
That's from the horse's mouth.
joe rogan
That's one of those, is that one of those I meant to do that things?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know Nate Diaz enough to be like, you serious?
joe rogan
That's the Pee Wee Herman defense.
brendan schaub
Either way, I meant to do that.
joe rogan
Either way, Nate's one of the best in the world.
brendan schaub
He's more of a nightmare at 55 is what I'm trying to get to.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
He's a tougher fight at 55. I think he fights better when he's lighter.
It probably sucks to get down there, but you're lighter and you move faster.
brendan schaub
He has better cardio.
eddie bravo
This is going to be a good fight, man.
joe rogan
This will be a good fight.
Kenny Robertson and Juan Carnero.
brendan schaub
I haven't watched 30 seconds.
joe rogan
Robertson with a nice knee to the body there.
So I think what I love about Conor is that that's what he wants to do.
I don't think he can make 45 anymore.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
Camp says he can't either.
joe schilling
No way.
joe rogan
It's just too hard.
brendan schaub
He looks so bad.
He has the 45 belt.
He just beat Nate at 70. Then let's say he mercs Eddie Alvarez, so he's the 145-155 champ.
What?
Then what do you do?
joe rogan
I kind of want to see him rematch Aldo, though.
I kind of do.
unidentified
I kind of want to see him fight again at 45. When they say it's too tough for him now, without the IVs and stuff.
joe rogan
Carneo got the back.
This is not good.
Ooh, I like how he butterflies that back leg.
Let's see if that works.
Ooh, look at that.
Look at that.
Very nice.
eddie bravo
He squoze his way to the back.
joe rogan
Ooh, look at that squeeze.
That's nice.
brendan schaub
Good risk control.
I think there's better fights at 45 when you think of Aldo, Max Holloway.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, Kenny, good job recovering.
eddie bravo
Look, he's got the underhook.
joe rogan
Oh, he goes underneath.
unidentified
Underneath, underneath.
joe rogan
Deep half.
Oh shit!
eddie bravo
You got it?
joe rogan
Conero!
Oh, Kenny Robertson with that wrestling.
Very nice.
Nice escape.
Kenny Robertson's got some weird hand movements he does right before he punches, you know?
He lets his hands go limp and they wiggle around.
I wonder if he does that on purpose.
I wonder if there's a strategy behind that.
Like maybe to remind himself to fight loose.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Or maybe it's just a tick.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Maybe it's like one of those twitches.
joe schilling
Like Boss used to write big R's on his hands when he was fighting.
joe rogan
For relax.
joe schilling
Yeah, make him relax.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
Pancreas.
joe rogan
That's so easy said than done.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially when you're fighting someone who just constantly puts pressure on you.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
But going back to that cardio thing, man, when two guys are skillfully very similar, but one guy's just got some stupendous Marv Marinovich-style gas tank, And he knows how to fight, but now he's just got this unbelievable gas tank.
brendan schaub
You're talking about that Cain Velasquez.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, well, Cain knows how to fight, obviously, but the scariest thing about Cain is the volume he puts on it.
brendan schaub
His cardio's at heavyweight?
joe rogan
It's insane.
brendan schaub
Dude, you tell me a better heavyweight matchup besides maybe Uber Eam and Brock, besides Steve versus Cain.
That's the fucking fight of the century, son.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
Besides a roided-to-the-dick over him versus a juiced-up Brock, which I was all for.
I was like, oh, hell yeah.
That was sick.
But supplement-free Kane versus supplement-free Stipe?
Sign me up.
It's a great fight.
They're very similar men.
joe rogan
Stipe is so gangster.
joe schilling
Out of the two, which would you rather see, though?
joe rogan
Juice City.
brendan schaub
Not in 2016 or 2017. You're not trying to see juiced up Ream vs.
juiced up Brock now.
joe rogan
Well, if they hadn't had that first fight, I would.
Will you bring them back to the same place they were?
Same place they were at the time.
brendan schaub
Oh, I agree.
joe rogan
Al May's first fight in the UFC. Brock making a comeback after losing his title.
brendan schaub
Nah, I disagree.
Steve Avers Kane's the fucking fight man.
joe rogan
Listen, you don't have to disagree.
We want different things out of this world.
brendan schaub
That'd be a disagreement.
There's nothing wrong with that.
tj kirk
I want Jew City.
brendan schaub
You want Juice City on a football field?
unidentified
I want Pride 2003 on a football field.
joe rogan
I think the cage is an artificial boundary and I think it plays a big factor in movement and a big factor in the fight.
brendan schaub
I mean, how much fucking footwork do you need for a 25-foot or 30-foot cage?
joe schilling
I mean, it's a big cage.
30 feet's a big cage.
Is that bigger than it used to be or no?
joe rogan
You could have the cage the way it is.
joe schilling
Where do they start at?
joe rogan
Have a border where if you pass that border, you gotta get back inside.
So, the cage never becomes a factor.
So, like, if you're fighting, and you take a guy down, and, you know, his ass scoots outside of the boundary line, but they're still, you know, 50 feet in any one direction, if someone's driving forward, you take that guy, you move him in the middle of the cage, or the middle of the mat, and you assume the same position.
That's not hard to do.
They did that in Pride all day long.
They could do that.
They have replays.
They could see exactly where a guy was set up.
The referee holds on him.
Ready, set, fight.
And you go back to fighting again.
That way there's never any artificial cage that's in the way that helps you get back up to your feet.
Everybody would have way harder time getting back up to their feet if there was no cage.
If you couldn't wall walk...
It's a big factor.
joe schilling
And getting the takedown.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe schilling
Getting the takedown would be completely different, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Drop down, scoop your hands together.
Because the guy can't move.
He can't keep backing up and pummeling under.
eddie bravo
But it's hard to take guys down when they're against the fence and they're just leaning on the fence.
There's an art to that.
brendan schaub
Correct.
eddie bravo
If the fence wasn't there, they'd get taken down easier.
brendan schaub
Via check.
joe rogan
It's a factor.
The cage is a factor.
eddie bravo
I like that factor.
It's part of the game.
brendan schaub
Yeah, me too.
There needs to be boundaries.
eddie bravo
Like a fence wrestling sport.
brendan schaub
Like, I don't want to watch NASCAR. I don't want to watch it anyways.
joe schilling
But it feels like they get slipping around.
Elevator fights.
eddie bravo
And you've got to take the guy down, and the guy's got to use the fence to take him down.
You've got, like, a minute to take him down or something.
The guys that get really good at that translate to MMA a lot better, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
I think that we would be better off, though, if it wasn't a factor.
eddie bravo
That's not going to happen.
We just think it's too late for that.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
I think fighting as a sport should be as pure as possible.
And it's not as pure as possible.
I think kicks on the ground, soccer kicks, stomps, no cage.
No gloves.
brendan schaub
What about mouthpiece?
joe rogan
Yes.
Mouthpiece is good because if you get punched, it's going to go straight through your fucking lips.
Your teeth go through your lips.
joe schilling
You can't have that bacteria, Joe.
People get stabbed on their knuckles.
eddie bravo
Rogan's FC. I can see it coming now.
joe rogan
You could get staff on your knuckles, though.
That is a good point.
Because when guys punch guys with bare teeth, like in street fights, they get staff all the time.
All the time, yeah.
brendan schaub
More common than you'd think.
joe rogan
And it's real dangerous.
If you don't treat it, your fucking hand falls off.
joe schilling
Gangrene and shit.
joe rogan
Ew, it's nasty.
Human mouth is gross.
joe schilling
But just between the cage and the soccer kicks on the ground, how different the sport would evolve in five years?
joe rogan
It would change.
joe schilling
Just how different the techniques you guys would be using, everything you'd be doing.
joe rogan
Kicks on the ground to the face they should already do.
eddie bravo
There would be combos where a guy's mounted like Vanderlei used to do.
He'd get the mount, throw a couple punches, then stand up and stomp and walk away.
That's a combo right there.
joe rogan
If a guy can upkick you, you should be able to stomp him.
100%.
100%.
eddie bravo
It changes the game of jiu-jitsu tremendously.
Especially with the elbows to the back of the head.
Dude, you better make a move quick.
brendan schaub
You can't get turtled up.
eddie bravo
You should be able to fuck a dude up for turtling him.
joe rogan
How many dudes would just get broken by that, though?
How many careers would get caught way short?
eddie bravo
You see it coming.
And after a while, the ref would go, you know, if you do this and hold it for three seconds and the guy didn't move, you stop the fight.
You don't have to connect.
joe schilling
It was like Gary Goodrich in one of his earlier fights, and he got him in the fucking crucifix.
Oh, my God.
That was probably the worst knockout I've ever seen.
joe rogan
I was thinking of when Gary Goodrich grabbed a guy's dick.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I went full.
eddie bravo
The Pedro.
joe schilling
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Pedro, a dude in Brazil.
He reached into his pants and grabbed his dick and balls and crushed it.
eddie bravo
Crushed it.
I turned his nuts into peanut butter.
joe schilling
For real?
That actually happened.
joe rogan
There was no rules.
There was no rules.
Zero.
brendan schaub
All sweaty and shit.
Just crushed him nuts.
The dude was wearing briefs.
Brazilians like wearing those pro wrestling briefs.
Gary Goodrich vs.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Vicious groin attacks.
eddie bravo
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Damn, Jamie's good.
joe rogan
That's after the fight he's trying to, hey man, you know, I'm just doing my thing.
joe schilling
I swear I ripped your dick off.
eddie bravo
Jamie's on fire.
brendan schaub
What do you mean doing your thing?
Grabbing my dick like that.
joe rogan
Squoze your balls and dick.
eddie bravo
Peanut butter.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
So Kenny Robertson on top, Juan Carnero on the bottom looking for the arm triangle, not pulling it off.
eddie bravo
It's going to be hard to do anything else.
brendan schaub
I'm excited for Uriah Hall, Brunson.
joe rogan
Me too.
eddie bravo
But he's coming after him.
joe rogan
So Eddie, in this position, right, you want to underhook on that side, right?
The side that has the half guard.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the guy on the bottom wants to get the underhook.
Obviously the guy on top wanted to keep that underhook and keep that head and arm.
joe rogan
And Cornero went right to it.
He knows what he's doing.
He went right to it.
Went right to that undercook.
eddie bravo
He's not playing.
joe rogan
He's trying to go underneath.
He's super talented.
I was going to say Alex Davis, his manager, was telling me about rolling with him.
What a nightmare it is.
eddie bravo
He's got to get in there and go.
You just can't stay there.
joe rogan
This is the difference between just straight grappling and grappling a dude like Kenny Robertson's allowed to punch you in the face.
Elbow you in the face.
brendan schaub
It changes everything.
joe rogan
Oh, there he goes.
He's going to the leg.
Oh, shit.
Can we do it?
Oh, that's good defense.
brendan schaub
He paid for that, too.
eddie bravo
He's mounted.
He's mounted.
unidentified
Oh, good shrimp.
joe rogan
Now he's in butterfly.
eddie bravo
Let's see what he's got off his back.
joe rogan
Now, this is where a rubber guard comes into play.
Left, right arm, pin to the mat.
eddie bravo
I'm not sure he has the flexibility to play rubber guard.
joe rogan
But if he could, it's a good place for it.
brendan schaub
If he had that Eddie knowledge, he could.
joe rogan
Well, it's a flexibility issue, too.
eddie bravo
He's a friend of mine.
unidentified
I gave him the DVD once, but I don't think he's flexible enough.
joe schilling
Huh?
brendan schaub
They're not working for him.
eddie bravo
He never went to it.
joe rogan
That flexibility, son.
eddie bravo
When someone's a rubber guard player, they go to it right away.
You just tell that's their stance.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's your comfort zone.
joe rogan
He's trying to set it off off of wrist control on the left arm.
eddie bravo
Nothing wrong with that.
As long as you keep that clench.
joe rogan
He's keeping that right arm tight.
Oh, look at this.
Good adjust.
Good adjust.
eddie bravo
Oh, look what he's doing there.
brendan schaub
Holy shit, that's like a rat guard.
eddie bravo
Right there.
That's what it's called?
There's a guard called Rat Guard, and he's doing it.
brendan schaub
Love the name.
Rat it up, rat it up.
joe rogan
He's trying to go past that elbow.
eddie bravo
Wow, it's working.
joe rogan
He's trying to go past that right elbow, but he's not sure how to commit it.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
unidentified
He got him.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness, he got him.
brendan schaub
That's amazing.
That guard is legit.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, that was amazing.
brendan schaub
Successful rat there.
joe rogan
That was beautiful.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I gotta look into that.
joe rogan
And he goes into a mounted triangle.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
Kenny looked hurt, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that probably did not feel good.
brendan schaub
That did not look fun.
joe rogan
Dude, I need to learn that.
eddie bravo
Rat Guard is actually the guy who made it up.
I forget his name.
brendan schaub
Best name ever.
eddie bravo
I love it.
Anyways, he's been doing it for like 10 years now.
And he always called it Rubber Guard for guys that have no flexibility because I think he had an accident.
He had an accident and hips all fucked up.
brendan schaub
So what Ron was doing right there, that's legit shit.
joe rogan
Oh, obviously.
eddie bravo
It worked.
joe rogan
I mean, look what it did.
It changed the fight.
eddie bravo
He kept telling me, it's real, it's real, I swear.
I'm like, I don't know.
joe rogan
He's looking for that arm triangle.
brendan schaub
Look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gonna try to go for a Kimura now?
unidentified
There it is!
eddie bravo
That's the guy right there!
brendan schaub
That's the master rat.
joe rogan
Jamie needs a raise.
eddie bravo
Goddamn, Jamie is the master.
joe rogan
Jamie is the master on the ball.
brendan schaub
And the coffee tonight is extra fucking fresh.
joe rogan
That's Caveman coffee, son.
eddie bravo
But now he turns it off.
With a Jamie touch, though.
I take back what I said.
joe rogan
There it is.
So this is Rat Guard.
eddie bravo
So that second round is over.
joe rogan
So he's got the grip down.
brendan schaub
Hi, Rat Boys.
joe rogan
It sounds very rat-like.
eddie bravo
Listen.
unidentified
There's no way we're watching this whole thing while we're in the middle of a podcast.
eddie bravo
Just the first control.
The first thing he does.
If you hate ratings.
Watch, watch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Just that first little control of you.
brendan schaub
Show a whole Rat Guard video.
unidentified
That's exactly what he was doing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And then he swept him with it.
joe rogan
He swept him with it and he turned it into a triangle.
Okay, here we go.
Round three.
brendan schaub
Powerful Rat Master.
eddie bravo
Oh shit, that's gonna blow up now.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Juan Carnero on the ball, recognizing all sorts of different moves.
That's one of the most important things about Jiu-Jitsu, right?
Being able to understand all the new shit that's going on.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I never went to it.
I never bothered playing it, only because I do have the flexibility.
I didn't need to do that, but fuck.
joe rogan
Seems like an interesting option.
eddie bravo
I'm sold now.
I'm all over it now.
joe rogan
See, Carnero's got to be super nervous now.
I mean, Robertson's got to be super nervous now, being reversed in a position like that and put in a bad spot.
eddie bravo
His jiu-jitsu's really good, and he's got good wrestling, so that was a legit action.
brendan schaub
Oh, reverse, son!
Get out!
Get out, son!
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
eddie bravo
Nice exchange.
joe rogan
Nice.
brendan schaub
Robertson is...
joe rogan
Oh, see?
First team all dead boy.
Get that cardio up, son.
I would like to know, like, what is the very best method to prepare?
I would really like to know, like, is it possible that Juan Carnero could have done something different and could be like Mighty Mouse here in this third round?
Or is it simply a function of being 170 pounds, being a bigger man, cutting the weight down?
Is it?
brendan schaub
I'm sure genetics has something to do with it.
joe rogan
For sure.
I would You can train your body to gas.
eddie bravo
That's what real sprinting is.
Training your body to gas and recover.
Gas, recover.
You're on a clock.
Gas, recover.
Gas, recover.
So you do it so much so you could be fucking dead tired in a match.
And you're like, I'm going to recover in about 20 seconds.
brendan schaub
The fights are so unpredictable.
eddie bravo
You can train your body to do that.
brendan schaub
It's tough to train like that to a T. I don't think there's a perfect answer.
joe rogan
I mean, there may be, but it's about optimization.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
How could you take a guy, whether it's Carnero, oh shit, beautiful left hook, or anybody, any fighter for that matter, and train them physically to a perfect state?
brendan schaub
Like turn Woodley into fucking Demetrius Johnson?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you wouldn't.
I mean, obviously Johnson doesn't have the kind of horsepower that Woodley has either.
brendan schaub
That's why I'm saying genetics is a huge part of it.
Like the vehicle, the vessel you're messing with can only do so much.
eddie bravo
What I did was swim sprints, and what I liked about that is, first of all, I hate running, but when you're doing swim sprints, no matter how exhausted you get, like you do 20 of them or whatever, that's what I was doing.
No matter how exhausted you get at 14, 15, and 16, when you're sprinting across the pool, your breathing has to be perfect.
So there's all this chaos going on in your head and you're sprinting.
Your breathing has to be perfect or you swallow water.
So that's the beauty.
And then there's the impact.
There's no impact.
It's a natural movement.
And it makes you focus on your breathing when You know, you're at your worst possible state.
joe rogan
I think also for jujitsu, it's really good because it's not just leg dependent.
Because when you're running, your arms rarely get tired.
What's getting tired are your legs.
Like, almost only your legs.
Your lungs and your legs.
Your arms are obviously playing a part because you're pumping your arms and you're moving.
But they're not getting nearly as tired as your fucking legs.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're swimming, your arms get tired as fuck.
brendan schaub
Tired as fuck.
eddie bravo
Great for me.
joe rogan
And if you wear flippers, I bet your legs get even more work, right?
brendan schaub
But you can also do flippers on the hands, too.
They have those with the hands.
eddie bravo
You could just doggy paddle.
You don't even have to swim.
You just have to sprint.
unidentified
Yeah, that's some bullshit, but yeah.
brendan schaub
You really need to get...
If you want to do it right, you can get it with a swim coach so you can get efficient and learn how to really do it.
joe rogan
Kane Robertson coming on strong here.
Nice jab by Carnero.
eddie bravo
You can do it on your own.
You don't need a trainer.
The cool thing about swimming is if you do it on a clock where every time the clock hits 12, you sprint.
However it takes you long to get across the pool, it could be 25 seconds, it could be 23 seconds, 27 seconds.
You rest until that clock hits 12 again.
So what you end up doing is you don't need anybody to tell you to push.
You're sprinting for that rest time.
It's a mindfuck.
That's the beauty of the sprints in the water, too.
You're sprinting To rest, because you know if you fuck up and you just kind of give up halfway through, you're going to fuck up the rotation, the clock, and now you've fucked your whole system up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I love swimming.
eddie bravo
You've got to do that 20 times across a pool.
You go to 24-hour fitness.
It's like a 20-yard pool.
I don't know, maybe 30-yard pool.
brendan schaub
Dude in the ocean if you're a gangster, son.
joe rogan
Haunt our arrows running out of gas here.
eddie bravo
It's kind of hard in the ocean.
Where do you stop and where do you go?
joe rogan
You stop and a fucking shark gets you.
eddie bravo
You've got to have a clear start and stop point.
joe rogan
Yeah, or you're just doing it for time.
brendan schaub
Exactly.
You can do it for time.
eddie bravo
That's a whole different scenario.
This is just for pure sprinting.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you're doing off time until it hits the 12, right?
joe rogan
Did they make heart rate monitors that work in the ocean?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I bought the new fucking iPhone 7 because I thought it could go to the ocean for this reason.
Then I find out you can't go in the ocean with it.
joe rogan
The iPhone 7 doesn't go in the ocean?
Well, that's the salt, though, right?
Salt is really bad for it.
brendan schaub
No, they say the water, like even if you drop in fresh water, you have like a couple minutes until it blows up.
joe rogan
It's certified at 30 minutes.
joe schilling
Oh, it's not really waterproof?
joe rogan
It's like 30 minutes at 9 feet deep.
eddie bravo
What do you do for cardio?
Your cardio must be nuts.
brendan schaub
Punch people in the face.
joe rogan
Smoked cigarettes.
eddie bravo
You got a big fight coming up.
brendan schaub
What are you doing for cardio?
joe schilling
I'll do a lot of running.
Sprints?
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How do you set it up?
You don't just go jog.
joe schilling
No, I'll jog at least three days a week, three to five miles, and then I'll do sprints.
I used to do...
eddie bravo
How do you do your sprints?
joe schilling
One mile sprint.
Twice a week.
joe rogan
A full mile.
As hard as you can go.
joe schilling
Yeah, and I would try to keep track of that time.
brendan schaub
What's your time, son?
joe schilling
My fastest time ever, which I think is still on my Instagram, was like a 528 or something like that.
brendan schaub
That's rolling.
joe schilling
And that was somebody in the car, like next to me, yelling at me, like keeping me motivated the whole time and just going to like, I couldn't go anymore.
eddie bravo
Have you ever gassed in a fight where you lost because you were just gassed?
You didn't do proper cardio?
joe schilling
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You have?
joe schilling
A number of times.
eddie bravo
And then after that, you're like, fuck that.
I'm going to get on.
Your cardio's probably on point next fight, right?
joe schilling
Yeah, for sure.
That next fight.
It's just...
You know, there's so many...
There's so many aspects of just your daily life that'll fuck up your cardio or fuck up your training camp.
Where it's like...
You were saying, like, where if Cornero would have done something slightly different.
It was like, maybe his girlfriend was pissed off at him.
And, you know, you don't know what else happened in his life.
brendan schaub
It'd just be crazy.
joe schilling
And then you're like, well, did I fuck this up because I didn't train properly or because...
My fucking car broke down and I couldn't, you know, whatever else happened in your life, so...
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, like keeping peace in your life with anything you're trying to do.
If you can keep peace in your personal life...
brendan schaub
The home life?
joe rogan
Gigantic.
brendan schaub
Everything, man.
joe rogan
Gigantic.
brendan schaub
Everything.
joe schilling
Gigantic.
Yeah, or you get sick, or you broke your fucking toe and now you can't run for that last couple weeks.
brendan schaub
Or there's a lot of guys who are distracted.
joe schilling
Or you twisted your knee, or your shoulder joint was fucked up, now I can't do my swim sprints.
All the shit that goes along behind the scenes with fighters is...
brendan schaub
How many guys do you know, Joe, especially in entertainment, being comedians who are out chasing tail all the time and they're distracted?
joe rogan
Yeah, that'll do it.
brendan schaub
Athletes, too.
I know athletes who do the same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets in your way.
Yeah, it gets in your way.
Trip over your own dick.
And people also use it as an excuse.
They don't do everything they could do, so they always have that thing in the back of their head that there's room for improvement.
And, yeah, next time.
Next time I'll get it together.
But, you know, most of the time that next time never comes.
Your brain will give you these sort of escape routes.
And that's one of the ones that, unfortunately, it seems so counterintuitive, but it happens to a lot of people.
brendan schaub
I've never seen more of it until I came to L.A. Carnero won.
Interesting.
eddie bravo
Nice.
joe rogan
He lost that last round.
At least he looked like it.
From what we're seeing.
Because Kenny Robertson was coming out strong.
But...
brendan schaub
Takedown, reversals, submission attempts.
joe rogan
Obviously we didn't score it.
brendan schaub
The 30 seconds I saw I'd give to Canero.
joe rogan
Well, the last round was interesting to me because Kenny kept charging after him.
This is where Kenny reversed him.
brendan schaub
Is this all in the last round?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Beautiful right hand.
Boom with the left hook.
Yeah, it's hard.
We're talking shit while we're watching these things.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's tough.
I was thinking about Carl's Jr., to be honest.
That fucking ad got me.
unidentified
Carl's Jr.?
brendan schaub
I'm jonesing for some junk food right now.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I had a little junk food, and now I'm fucking jonesing.
joe rogan
Oh, you cheated a little bit?
brendan schaub
I cheated a little bit would be understatement.
joe rogan
You went off?
brendan schaub
I went off.
joe rogan
Like a rocket?
brendan schaub
I went off like fucking Denzel Washington flight.
You remember when he got into that movie?
He's an alcoholic and they give him a mini fridge with just tons of stuff.
He's trying to recover and just goes fucking nuts.
That was me.
Yeah.
I'm back on it now, I hope, but that commercial fucking took me back to some dark places.
joe rogan
The problem is if you get off ketosis, you've got to do something to get back on it again.
brendan schaub
Come on, son.
I get the supplements.
joe rogan
You taking ketones?
Yeah.
joe schilling
Ketosis.
You're doing like the low carb thing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I've been on it for grip now.
I feel great.
joe schilling
Really?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
I'm also not fat anymore, so...
It's a plus.
joe rogan
Big happy with that?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
It's a super plus.
joe rogan
Rick Glenn...
And Evan Dunham.
brendan schaub
Evan Dunham?
That motherfucker been fighting for a long time, man.
joe schilling
Still around.
joe rogan
Still around and cracking.
brendan schaub
He's a guy with phenomenal jiu-jitsu and just says, I want to bang.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got good striking too, though.
His striking is good.
brendan schaub
Pretty good.
His jiu-jitsu is phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Real good.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's gonna be an interesting...
What is this Batman nonsense they're showing us in this commercial?
joe schilling
Today's National Batman Day.
joe rogan
Is it really?
joe schilling
Yeah, my kids were all about it today.
National Batman Day.
Dude, it's National Batman Day, Dad.
Fuck, I didn't know.
joe rogan
Batman the Telltale...
brendan schaub
Oh, so they made a DVD? No, it's a video game for Xbox.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a video game?
brendan schaub
Yeah, a video game.
I'd play the fuck of that if I don't have a kid.
eddie bravo
We just bought a Batman toy from today.
Worships Batman.
joe rogan
Boys love it.
joe schilling
Today is National Batman Day.
eddie bravo
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
joe schilling
My six-year-old told me this morning.
brendan schaub
Wow.
So what do you...
joe rogan
Ah, fuck, I have a Batman shirt.
joe schilling
I was like, should I wear this shirt?
I was like, they're not gonna know.
brendan schaub
These guys aren't worth it.
And then send me a text, where's your Batman?
I would have rocked the Batman.
unidentified
Fuck.
brendan schaub
I got the old school Adam West tee.
It's fucking dope.
joe schilling
Really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I got it from Junk Food.
joe rogan
Did you ever read the story of Adam West and Wonder Boy, whatever his name is, Boy Wonder?
They were just fucking everything that moves back then.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He wrote a book about it.
The dude who played Robin wrote a book about how much pussy they were getting.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, I want to read that.
joe schilling
Good for him.
joe rogan
They were a big deal.
eddie bravo
Those are the stories they never talk about, usually.
They never talk about that shit.
Guys always keep that shit secret.
brendan schaub
Are you telling me Robin was getting pussy?
I have a hard time believing that.
eddie bravo
Dude, are you crazy?
brendan schaub
Nah, Robin was in the corner watching Batman 5 Girls.
eddie bravo
Urkel gets pussy.
Come on.
brendan schaub
Urkel.
eddie bravo
Yes.
If you're on TV, that's a wrap, dude.
It's a wrap.
joe rogan
He probably got so much pussy, he's still catching his breath.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He'll come back on TV in another year or so.
He's like, I'm not ready.
joe schilling
I'm not ready to come back.
brendan schaub
I'm just recovering.
joe rogan
Just get my electrolytes in order.
eddie bravo
Corey Feldman.
Corey Feldman.
He made an appearance on some talk show with his band and their own girls in angel suits.
joe rogan
It's a nightmare.
brendan schaub
It's a fucking nightmare.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
I saw that today.
It was incredible.
It was amazing.
brendan schaub
He was at a minor league baseball game doing the same shit, and there were seven people.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what we were looking at, right?
There was that band.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
It's Corey Feldman's Angels.
joe rogan
How could it be worse?
jamie vernon
It's hysterical.
It was on Today Show.
unidentified
Please show us.
eddie bravo
It was on Today Show.
jamie vernon
They put them on here, I think, to fuck with them.
eddie bravo
This is it.
jamie vernon
This is it.
brendan schaub
The Today Show done put people on to clown them.
eddie bravo
Look at this band.
jamie vernon
He got trolled.
It's like his dance to start his performance.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
That is sick.
joe rogan
Can you play it up there?
eddie bravo
This is viral, right?
joe rogan
So if you play it up there, no one's looking at it, right?
No one will see it.
You can't play this sound?
brendan schaub
Just give us a little something something.
Hey, for sure make Lost Boys remake and quit doing this grab ass with these angels.
joe rogan
Listen, do you think it's up to him?
It's not up to him.
brendan schaub
He could...
Well, yeah, it's probably not up to him.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Isn't this a crazy promo?
Look at this.
Michael Bisping versus Dan Henderson for the UFC Middleweight Championship.
unidentified
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
joe schilling
It's fucking insane.
joe rogan
That's going to be a wild-ass fucking fight in Manchester.
Because those Brits are going to go bananas.
brendan schaub
Bisbing's never lost there.
And also, you've got a four-man tournament of just the fucking who's who monsters fucking waiting in the wings.
With Jacare Rockhold and Melbourne.
joe rogan
How about Yoel Romero versus Chris Weidman?
joe schilling
What do you mean a tournament?
They're doing like a one-night tournament?
unidentified
What do you mean?
brendan schaub
No, I just call it tournament, but whoever wins that is fucking...
joe rogan
You can't say tournament when you're next to Joe Schilling.
joe schilling
I get excited when I get this.
unidentified
I'm like, they should fucking do that tournament that night.
joe schilling
Cancel the main event, just do the one-night tournament.
joe rogan
Real, real tournament against the best guys.
brendan schaub
I'm talking UFC tournament, where I make them up in my mind.
joe rogan
Did you see Jason Willness and Simon Marcus the other night?
I did.
joe schilling
I did.
joe rogan
Crazy, right?
joe schilling
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
It was weird how, first of all, not weird that Willness knocked him out because he could knock anybody out, but weird that Simon, at the end of that round, when he was letting him punch him, was that odd to you?
joe schilling
Yeah.
I mean, kind of.
I think Simon...
I think Simon and his coach had a falling out recently, and I think that it might have something to do with him losing.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
brendan schaub
That's always tough.
joe schilling
He looks so good in that first round.
When you fight Simon, it's very ego-based.
I don't know, ego-based is the right word, but he's a tough guy.
You know what I mean?
Even in that fight, when Jason would do well against him with land shots, you would see Simon like, and then come back with this big thing.
I think that's what it was.
I'm going to drop my hands and let this guy hit me.
joe rogan
It also looked like he was slowing down a little bit.
joe schilling
He looked a little tired, yeah.
joe rogan
He's so jacked.
He's so jacked for a fighter, you know?
joe schilling
Especially for a kickboxing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How about that chick that fought Misha Tate?
joe rogan
Amanda Nunes?
eddie bravo
No, no, not her.
unidentified
Not her.
eddie bravo
Shit.
Who fought Joanne Calderwood, the Brazilian that yoke Brazilian?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Jessica Andrade.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
She's a beast.
She dropped down to 115. She's fighting at 135. She's too small.
Because she's only like 5'3 or 5'2, I think.
She might be 5'2".
You know what?
Pull that up, because she might not even be 5 feet tall.
brendan schaub
Little beast, though.
joe rogan
She's so jacked.
joe schilling
How...
eddie bravo
Her back is just...
joe rogan
A little Vanderlei.
eddie bravo
How did that happen?
joe schilling
I don't know.
brendan schaub
And with USADA? Acai, son.
joe rogan
Listen, it's natural.
brendan schaub
How dare you?
Some of them are just jacked.
joe rogan
How tall is she, Jamie?
eddie bravo
It's natural?
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
She's 5'3"?
She might be lying.
brendan schaub
She looks like Sean.
joe schilling
We're in a weird day and age where anybody that has muscle has to be ducing.
joe rogan
Yes.
joe schilling
There are freaks, for sure.
It's weird to me when I see girls that are built like dudes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or dudes that are built like girls.
eddie bravo
I mean, if chicks that are built like dudes are not on the juice, then who the fuck is?
Show me the ones that are.
Damn, they must be way bigger.
joe rogan
Hold on, though, because there's levels of testosterone naturally in some people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there are some girls that are just naturally jacked.
brendan schaub
And wouldn't you think most girls that sign up for fighting are going to be- Can we see other pictures, Jamie?
They tend to have more testosterone just naturally?
I would assume.
joe rogan
Maybe.
joe schilling
Just hanging out in all the gyms?
joe rogan
Just taking fighter loads?
brendan schaub
If you go down that road, you're usually not going to win fucking Miss America unless you're Paige Vanity.
joe rogan
From having sex with fighters, the hot loads coming in, those, you know- There might be some truth to that, Joe.
joe schilling
They're all an EPO. How do they end up wanting to be fighters?
They're at the gym all the time hanging out.
joe rogan
Exactly.
joe schilling
And they're like, oh, I've been here for three years.
brendan schaub
And I think I learned some shit.
joe schilling
I think I know some shit.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing they've shown about women is that women, when they are forced to be the breadwinner, when women, like when they become single or they have to take care of their kids and they have to work, their testosterone ramps up.
It actually changes.
When they're forced into a position where they have to earn their money out there in the competitive world, they actually develop more testosterone.
Don't ask me where I got this.
Ask me to cite my sources.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's because she's short.
She looks yoked because she's short.
joe rogan
She's jacked.
There's no doubt about it.
brendan schaub
Look at Liz Carmouche.
joe rogan
She's jacked too.
brendan schaub
She missed no days doing curls.
Zero.
joe rogan
She's a tank.
brendan schaub
She's a new fight too.
eddie bravo
Yeah, right?
Did they announce that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they did.
I forget who.
joe rogan
Who is she fighting?
brendan schaub
I forget.
Yeah, I don't care.
Hey, uh...
I don't give a fuck.
unidentified
Hey, how about...
brendan schaub
How about Bada Hari versus, uh, fucking Rico...
joe rogan
Rico Verhoeven, yeah.
December 10th.
brendan schaub
We got a real expert here.
joe schilling
Oh, man.
Bata Hari, I'll always be a fan, but I think, timing-wise, I think that Rico's gonna beat him, probably.
joe rogan
I like that they gave Bata a long time to train.
joe schilling
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we're here in September, and he's been training hard since August.
joe schilling
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's put all these videos on Instagram marking the days.
brendan schaub
Is he jacked?
joe schilling
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Of course he's jacked.
I mean, they're like, he's got September, October, November, and December.
joe schilling
Rico Verhoeven is fucking huge.
unidentified
Jacked!
joe schilling
That guy, like, in person, you're just like, fuck.
brendan schaub
Did you see him beat the fuck the other night on that Silva guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
God.
Anderson Brown.
joe schilling
Anderson Brown.
joe rogan
Yeah, he beat the fuck out of him.
joe schilling
That guy's not that big, though.
I mean, he's big.
He's not big enough.
He's not, like, shockingly huge.
No, no.
brendan schaub
Rico literally just toyed with him.
joe schilling
Rico's huge.
joe rogan
But he also has sick cardio.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a sick athlete, too.
joe schilling
He's a great athlete.
brendan schaub
Shredded, too.
joe schilling
He was part of Tyson Fury's sparring for his fights.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Wow.
joe schilling
Genius.
He did that a couple years ago.
brendan schaub
That is super genius.
joe schilling
Yeah, smart.
joe rogan
Powerful Bruce Buffer in every show.
That motherfucker travels.
brendan schaub
That motherfucker, they go, hey, you sure you don't want a break?
Nah, I'll go to every show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does every fucking show.
joe schilling
Now he's doing his podcast, and I caught his podcast the other day.
It's pretty good.
brendan schaub
That motherfucker blew his knee out, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, he blew his knee out in a karaoke contest.
brendan schaub
Missed three days.
Fucking came back in a white tuxedo.
joe rogan
I talked to him about that.
I told him to get the surgery.
He's like, Joe, I think I'm not going to get the surgery.
I go, why?
He goes, I don't want to take the time off work.
I'm like, are you fucking out of your mind?
I go, get your knee fixed.
brendan schaub
No, he's gangster, man.
joe rogan
In that world, man, you got to hustle.
brendan schaub
That world.
It's like being a quarterback in the NFL. Tom Brady, you slip up.
There's someone behind you.
Can we get on that mic and come up with something instead of his time?
joe schilling
Who's the guy behind Bruce Buffer?
joe rogan
There's nobody behind Bruce Buffer.
brendan schaub
Oh, there's someone waiting in the fucking wings.
joe schilling
Who's the guy biting at his heels to scream, fucking, let's get it on over there?
brendan schaub
Probably some adopted brother they don't know about.
joe rogan
If some dude...
If some dude comes in and tries to do Bruce Buffer while Bruce Buffer's gone, he'll be booed out of the fucking arena.
unidentified
I think he'd be surprised.
joe rogan
He's going to have to do his own shit.
brendan schaub
I think he'd be surprised.
joe rogan
Are you crazy?
brendan schaub
Because there's Bruce Buffer and there's Michael Buffer.
unidentified
So, let's get ready to rumble!
brendan schaub
Right?
And it's time!
Then you can get some new dude in there who just fucking remixes it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not going to happen because we would know who that guy is.
brendan schaub
It's a black dude.
joe rogan
He would already be doing it somewhere.
joe schilling
It's a black dude, for sure.
joe rogan
Beatboxing is not going to work in the Midwest.
unidentified
I disagree.
eddie bravo
Nobody could do Bruce Buffer.
Nobody.
joe rogan
Nobody.
eddie bravo
He's the best.
brendan schaub
Oh, I'm not saying they are.
They're going to do their own shit and flip the script.
joe rogan
That's what Bruce is worried about.
Right now, you're fucking with him.
brendan schaub
That's why I'm taking these days off.
joe schilling
He's never taking a day off.
No, thanks a lot.
brendan schaub
You're crazy if some young kid's not just thinking about it.
joe rogan
These guys are going off here.
We're talking shit, and Evan Dunham just landed in a beautiful combination.
brendan schaub
It's hard not to root for Evan Dunham.
He's been doing it for so long.
joe rogan
He has, man.
It's a tough fucking game.
Ooh, beautiful shot.
unidentified
Very good timing.
eddie bravo
I don't know anything about his opponent.
brendan schaub
Is he still training out of Vegas?
He was with Extreme Couture Faux.
joe rogan
Yeah, for a long time, right?
He was with Ray.
I don't know.
I don't know where he's at now.
eddie bravo
He's got his own school now.
brendan schaub
Did Ray stop training guys once he signed up to the World Series of Fighting thing?
joe rogan
No, he was there the other day with Brad Tavares.
Brad Tavares, who's been one of his students forever.
brendan schaub
For a while.
joe rogan
Brad looked real good, man.
Real sharp.
brendan schaub
He had a big winning streak and then fell off a little bit, but he's back now, right?
joe rogan
Well, he fought Yoel Romero, son.
brendan schaub
That'll do it.
That'll fuck your whole schedule up.
joe rogan
That'll make you realize.
brendan schaub
That'll fuck your life up.
joe rogan
Like, there's some people that can just move different than you can.
brendan schaub
Ah, we're built different.
And you're a lot older, sir.
joe rogan
He's a freak.
joe schilling
So it's Yoel and Weidman and then Jocker.
unidentified
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Look, Japanese necktie right there.
brendan schaub
Look at that.
joe schilling
Japanese necktie.
eddie bravo
Japanese necktie.
joe rogan
Oh!
eddie bravo
Beautiful escape.
You see how he freed his leg?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That's what it was all about right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It's getting that leg free.
And he pulled it off.
joe rogan
He was in deep shit.
Deep shit?
That was one of the first Japanese neckties ever in the UFC. Yeah, it was perfect!
brendan schaub
That's what I meant by tournament, Joe.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it's not a real tournament.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Joe and Joe.
brendan schaub
Joe squared.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not a real tournament, but in my mind, I was like, we got ourselves a middleweight tournament.
joe rogan
Well, Jacare versus Luke Rockhold, too, is very interesting.
Especially because Luke's been getting all that model pussy.
He might be exhausted.
brendan schaub
He's getting that Demi Lovato, New York model.
That shit will fuck your life up, son.
Or take your next level.
joe rogan
I just am shocked that he's not fighting Weidman again.
I felt like that would be the fight to make.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
The fight to make would be Weidman vs.
Rockhold 2, not Jacare vs.
unidentified
Weidman.
brendan schaub
What do you do with Jacarello and Romero?
joe rogan
One more time!
unidentified
We had a little problem with the drug test last time, boys.
We're going to run it all back.
brendan schaub
Run it back!
unidentified
Let's see what happens when you're not on the happy song.
brendan schaub
Let's run this shit back.
You both gotta be clean.
I like Weidman vs.
unidentified
Romero.
joe rogan
I like Weidman in there.
I was under the impression that Jacare won that fight for some strange reason.
I did too.
I guess Romero won a decision, but then it turned out that he tested positive for some peptide or something like that, and they found the supplement that he said he took, they tested it, it was positive, so he gets a shorter break.
eddie bravo
Check this out, man.
There's plenty of time left, and he's on his back.
And Denham is a finisher.
brendan schaub
We still don't have any info on John, right?
joe rogan
So this is the spot where Kenny Robertson caught that knee bar.
It's right here.
eddie bravo
Very similar, yes.
joe rogan
Right here.
And you do it with the head as well, right?
So the guy can't lean back.
eddie bravo
To be honest with you, I don't...
joe rogan
Oh, he's got the best one right.
eddie bravo
It should be over.
brendan schaub
We're talking about all this jiu-jitsu.
There you go.
Ba-ba-boom.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, he is squirming.
Oh, it's over, son.
unidentified
It's over.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and just touch that elbow for me.
Go ahead and touch that elbow for me.
joe rogan
Is he going to gut it out?
brendan schaub
Oh, it's getting tighter, son.
eddie bravo
It is getting tighter.
brendan schaub
Go to sleep, sweet prince.
joe rogan
Go to sleep.
unidentified
Oh, he's out!
joe rogan
Amazing.
brendan schaub
Brilliant defense.
joe rogan
So do you go for it again, 58 seconds ago?
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
Yeah, you go for it again.
eddie bravo
He might go for an arm bar right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, Evan Dunham.
Looking good.
brendan schaub
He's been fighting forever.
joe rogan
So this is a position...
eddie bravo
Look, he's looking for an armbar.
unidentified
Look at that.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
He's ready for it.
Look at this.
joe rogan
He's going for it.
Shift to the hips.
unidentified
There he goes.
eddie bravo
30 seconds.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, he's attacking.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
30 seconds.
Not much time left.
joe rogan
It's so rare that you see someone hit that arm bar from the back when they're going for the choke.
eddie bravo
Or even take him to the truck and hit him with the calf slicer.
Or a twister.
joe rogan
Oh, he's going to try to pin that arm.
brendan schaub
Oh, there he goes.
joe rogan
Oh, lost it.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Didn't get the hips up in time.
eddie bravo
There's a lot of grease going on there.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, one more time.
Flatten him out.
Poundage.
Go for poundage.
eddie bravo
Oh, he got half guard back.
brendan schaub
How about fucking...
eddie bravo
Ooh, elbow from the bottom.
joe schilling
Nasty elbow from the bottom.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about Stipe's ground and pound on Overeem?
joe rogan
Dude, Overeem...
joe schilling
I've been thinking about that this whole time.
Like, how fucking hard did he hit him with those three shots?
joe rogan
Perfect shots, too.
joe schilling
Fucking perfect.
joe rogan
Perfect placement.
joe schilling
When that guy was stacking him earlier, and he fucking hit the guy in the head, and we're just talking about the triangle.
I'm like, he has some of those fucking...
brendan schaub
Think how hard Stipe hits.
joe schilling
Stipe shots have been fucking over right there.
brendan schaub
But also, Overeem's not as that, you know...
His motherboard, message board, has been hit a bunch of times.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's why after the fight I said I don't want to do interviews with fighters after they got knocked out again.
brendan schaub
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
We should never do that.
joe schilling
We all appreciate that.
joe rogan
When he said that, when he said that...
joe schilling
As I was watching it, I was like, I don't fucking talk.
joe rogan
When he said the guy tapped, I was like, fuck, imagine if he tapped?
Like, are we going to see a tap?
Like, I had no idea.
You don't know if you missed something during the actual calling of a fight because it's happening live and it's so chaotic.
And it's right after Alistair dropped him, then he went for the guillotine, then all of a sudden they're on their feet again.
It happened so fast.
When he said it, he was so adamant.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's got knocked out.
What about the truck in the back though, Joe?
Aren't they going, Joe, he didn't tap.
Do you really want to show this?
joe rogan
No, they don't know.
They don't know.
They watch the fight live.
They watch the fight live.
eddie bravo
You want to find out.
You want to find out whether he tapped, maybe he tapped, maybe he didn't.
You find out, it's entertaining.
joe rogan
It's totally possible that if he did tap that someone saw it in the truck, they would have said it.
But they didn't say it, but they're like, we'll play it for you.
And I said, okay, we're going to play it.
And so they had it queued up, they played it, and then he was still insistent.
I'm like, okay, well, maybe it's the other hand.
But I was thinking, man, this does not look good.
But it has to be solved.
It has to be resolved.
You know, when a guy says the guy tapped, you have to show it.
eddie bravo
It's part of the game.
Let's check it out.
joe rogan
You have to show it.
But I wish we didn't interview him at all.
I think the guy has to have a chance.
He was completely unconscious.
And it took him a while to just get back to his feet.
And to have a conversation with him about strategy, about where it went wrong.
unidentified
The sense.
Insane.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It doesn't make any sense.
joe schilling
No other sport does that.
eddie bravo
Here we go again.
joe schilling
Here we go again.
Japanese that time.
eddie bravo
One more time.
But he doesn't have the leg at all right there.
He's got to switch it to a darts.
This is some serious shit.
Serious shit right here.
joe schilling
Even if it's not a knockout, a guy loses and gets submitted or whatever.
brendan schaub
But even in other sports.
unidentified
What are we going to say to you?
joe schilling
This sucks.
I wish I would have won.
brendan schaub
Yeah, even in other sports, like the NFL, if a guy has a concussion, he's not doing interviews, man.
He's not right in the head.
If a guy breaks his leg or tears a knee, they're not interviewing him.
Because what the fuck's he going to see?
You know what kind of fucking frame of mind that guy's in?
It's nuts.
So you're 100% right, Joe.
I love that.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's something I had suggested a long time ago, back when we interviewed Mirko Krokop after Gonzaga knocked him out.
I was looking in his eyes, man.
joe schilling
That night?
You guys interviewed him?
joe rogan
Yeah, I interviewed him right after the fight.
And I was like, we can't do that anymore.
And I said it to him, and we just kept doing it.
eddie bravo
What if it's good for ratings?
If they get knocked out, guaranteed interview.
joe schilling
It can't be good, though.
joe rogan
I'm not doing it anymore.
joe schilling
I mean, they don't even show him on the ground anymore.
They pan away on the camera.
brendan schaub
Did they tell you yes or no, Joe?
joe rogan
I don't care.
I'm not doing it anymore.
brendan schaub
You're going to do it.
joe rogan
I'm not doing it.
brendan schaub
Sir, look at me.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
brendan schaub
You're going to fuck up.
joe rogan
If guys get knocked the fuck out, if someone really wants to talk to them, they're going to have to talk to them.
I'm not talking to anybody anymore.
brendan schaub
Bruce Buffer's going to jump in that bitch.
How are you feeling?
unidentified
Bruce will do a great job.
joe rogan
Well, it's time for me to interview you.
brendan schaub
Joe, I'll take it from here.
Thank you, sir.
I know you hate this part.
I got a raise.
joe rogan
I'm doing it out of respect for the game.
Yeah, I don't think we need to, and I think the UFC agrees.
brendan schaub
It's better for the sport.
joe rogan
Well, it made Alistair look bad, and I think if you gave him a few hours or even a day to talk about it, he probably would realize that that never happened.
It was just his brain was scrambled.
brendan schaub
Well, even Stipe, when you're talking to him, he's like, yeah, he hit me with a kick.
No, sir, that was a punch.
joe rogan
Well, he said the guy kicks hard.
He didn't make any sense.
He did get kicked hard in the body.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
And, I mean, he could have been mentioning that, but he probably didn't realize what knocked him down.
brendan schaub
He was concussed, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
joe schilling
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Oh, sir?
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, the way he got dropped.
brendan schaub
Yeah, flatline drop.
joe rogan
And he got staggered more than once.
He got staggered twice, at least twice in that first round.
brendan schaub
Dude, so much pressure on Stipe.
Hometown, I was so...
Happy for me?
joe rogan
Dude, you ain't heard roars like the Cleveland crowd for Stipe.
It's like Dublin for Connor.
It's crazy.
Cleveland is...
Maybe...
eddie bravo
Finally, Cleveland...
joe rogan
Bring it back.
Bring it back.
It's not quite like Dublin.
But...
But they love him, man.
And Cleveland is a badass town, man.
I had heard that it was experiencing this resurgence.
It's a fun town.
Those people were fun.
brendan schaub
Because of LeBron and Ohio State.
eddie bravo
I've always been a Browns fan.
brendan schaub
That's terrible.
I'm not really into football that much anymore, but...
eddie bravo
I did watch last week's Browns game on fast forward on DVR. I didn't even watch their defense.
I just fast forward to their offense and they played like shit.
And usually you feel like garbage after spending three hours watching football and your team scores one touchdown.
You're like, I fucking wasted my whole day, sat through all these fucking commercials for this bullshit ass performance.
You feel like shit.
But when you fast forward through it all and you're like, oh, I wouldn't have wasted my time.
I went through the whole game in 20 minutes.
I felt great.
They look like shit.
unidentified
I felt great.
joe rogan
That's not how you watch a game.
brendan schaub
It's just not.
unidentified
That's so fucking wrong.
joe rogan
Did you drive here in a Hyundai?
eddie bravo
They almost stole three hours from me.
If I would have just sat through this shit, it's beautiful.
You didn't want to do that back in the day because there's too many spoilers.
Everybody's watching TV and there's just spoilers everywhere.
But now, everyone's in their own little compartment on the internet.
I'm like, I never know the goddamn scores.
So you can DVR a game.
That's what I'm going to do tomorrow.
I'm not going to...
Spend a kill a Sunday watching football and wasting my time.
brendan schaub
I am with my son.
I force him to watch it at six months old.
eddie bravo
I'm going to watch it at two in the morning on Fast Forward.
It's the greatest.
joe rogan
Well, now we know that.
brendan schaub
You know they're going to...
They might have done it or they're doing it soon.
joe rogan
Is Canelo Smith tonight?
brendan schaub
Yes, sir, it is.
And it's a good fucking fight if you know about the Smith family.
unidentified
Four brothers.
brendan schaub
Four brothers.
Two of them are going to be world champions.
All four pro boxers.
It's nuts, man.
That's a tough fight for Canelo, too.
That Smith is a fucking monster, man.
Is he?
joe schilling
I didn't really know anything about him.
brendan schaub
He's tough, tough.
joe rogan
Dude, after that Kell Brook fight, I want to see Canelo versus him.
Gennady Golovkin?
Yeah, Gennady Golovkin and Canelo would be the shoot.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about Kovalev versus fucking Andre Ward in November?
unidentified
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
We should do a fight campaign for that.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm in.
brendan schaub
Yes!
joe rogan
If I'm not doing something better.
brendan schaub
Who's celebrating online?
joe rogan
People are crumped for that.
eddie bravo
We should do a fight companion for Turkish oil wrestling.
joe rogan
We should.
eddie bravo
We gotta find out when the date is, like their world championships.
brendan schaub
Get Calum in here to get real good.
eddie bravo
Oh dude, Calum take over.
joe rogan
That shit is only on YouTube.
You have to go there live and bring your phone.
unidentified
Do you remember the comedy?
eddie bravo
Callan would come out of Callan's mouth.
He would be crushing.
joe rogan
He probably has a Turkish accent on the deck.
brendan schaub
He's probably done it before and shit.
eddie bravo
We should.
They gotta have world championships.
There's gotta be some hickson of Turkish oil wrestling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's too busy sucking dicks.
joe rogan
It's like, instead of getting drunk and gambling, this guy just blows guys.
unidentified
That's just...
joe rogan
He sucks too many dicks and he has to take time off.
eddie bravo
And that's when he starts losing.
unidentified
Too many dicks.
eddie bravo
So he's talking about interviews, how he cut the dick out.
He's like, no more dicks.
I haven't had any dick in training camp and I feel really good.
joe rogan
I dig one dick on Sunday.
That's it.
Cheat day It's like when the Sunday count is waiting That's so much I might pay attention this is I thought that was the third round I thought that was the end of the fight.
Evan Dunham still going strong.
eddie bravo
They raised their hands after that round like it was over and I thought, damn, that was quick.
We're not paying attention.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's one of the craziest thing about kickboxing is that when you go to the third round in those tournaments, if it's a draw, they'd make you guys fight a fourth round.
What the fuck is that feeling like?
joe schilling
It sucks.
I'm not going to lie.
It sucks.
Because going into that third round, you're like, fuck, this is it.
All or nothing.
Fuck, motherfucker.
I've got to do this.
And then you go back and look at your coach and you're like, I think it's going to be the next round.
And you're like, fuck.
No.
That Simon fight, I remember thinking, I don't want to.
I don't fucking want to.
And then we had to go another round, and it ended up working out great for me.
But I was not happy about it.
eddie bravo
If you guys both agree to flip a coin at the end, it's like, do you want to fight?
Do you want to fight?
Okay, let's just flip a coin.
joe schilling
I'm sure he felt the same way, too.
He didn't want to do it either.
joe rogan
Well, he kept spitting his mouthpiece out.
joe schilling
I think his nose was shattered or broken, so he couldn't close his mouth because he couldn't breathe.
So you get all this blood and shit, and you're like, fuck, I can't breathe.
And then his mouthpiece kept coming out.
brendan schaub
Hmm.
Hey, so...
joe schilling
Which happens a lot, actually.
When you see guys in their noses, like, bleeding like crazy, is usually when you'll see the mouthpiece start falling out, because they just can't breathe.
eddie bravo
Brendan, I got a question for you real quick.
brendan schaub
Well, hold on real quick.
Our boy, Callan, he's doing shows in New York, and there's an explosion half a mile from him, so his show got canceled.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he just texted me and was like, Hey, brother, I'm sure you saw the news.
My show got canceled because there's an explosion in New York.
unidentified
What?
joe schilling
What's he talking about?
Terrorist shit?
eddie bravo
Hillary false flag right there.
jamie vernon
Is that that big of a deal, quote unquote, they're saying online right now?
That's my guess.
joe schilling
They're body double.
joe rogan
Hold on, let him talk.
joe schilling
You know she died on the 11th.
joe rogan
Guys, let him talk.
jamie vernon
25, 26 people have been injured.
No deaths.
There's a second device.
It's an explosion.
They're not calling it a bomb.
They're not saying terrorism.
Nothing crazy like that right now.
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
brendan schaub
Callum shows canceled, though.
Callum was, uh, he said, uh, half a blocker.
He says half a blocker, half a mile in one, so I don't know, but he said his show's canceled, and it was nuts.
eddie bravo
But he's okay.
He goes, there's going to be a false flag event.
Watch Hillary's on her, uh, on, apparently, uh, She's not looking too good, Hillary.
She's super sick.
That's what people are saying.
joe schilling
Well, like, September 11th, she left the event early and, like, passed out.
Yeah, she's fainting.
Collapsed and fainted and shit.
She's got, like, a fucking shit bag in her pants.
joe rogan
Manhattan explosion.
eddie bravo
Alex Jones had some physician on, and he said she's showing signs of some kind of brain tumor or something.
joe schilling
But Alex Jones is so far...
Like, he used to come across like he had, like, good shit, but he was just kind of crazy.
Now he's like so far the other way that I just can't take him seriously.
Like, even if his shit is true, like, he's just, he's like, oh, the globalists, the elites.
eddie bravo
I'm not giving you my godmother.
brendan schaub
It says the explosion wasn't terrorism, but it was done intentionally, so.
So that means someone from here would do it?
But isn't terrorism terrorism?
joe rogan
Maybe someone just wanted to get rid of their building.
He's got a shitty building.
eddie bravo
He was calling it.
He said, you know what?
With all this Hillary shit going on, they're panicking.
They don't know if they're going to stick Bernie Sanders in or they're going to put Biden in.
joe schilling
How can they do that?
eddie bravo
Or they're going to suspend the election, keep Obama in longer.
They're about to make a big-ass decision right now.
Hillary apparently is not...
joe rogan
You're so excited.
brendan schaub
I'm just happy.
joe schilling
I was waiting for this topic.
brendan schaub
I have no idea.
That's just what I hear.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit.
That's just what I hear.
Who knows?
joe schilling
This could all be a trick.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, whenever you're dealing with someone like a Hillary Clinton, and she's super sick, and you're leading up to the election, and she just doesn't look healthy, she's fainting and stuff.
No, she's old, man.
She's old, and she's of poor health, and she had a serious concussion a few years back.
joe schilling
Concussion?
joe rogan
Real bad.
unidentified
From what?
joe rogan
She fainted, fell down, and hit her head.
And apparently had a brain aneurysm, and was bleeding internally.
eddie bravo
That's how...
I'm not saying it had anything to do with Parkinson's or these fainting spells that she has.
Usually when you have this disease, whatever it is, they usually die from the falls.
They usually die and they just crack their head on the cement and that's what they die from.
Alex Jones, he's saying, according to his physicians, and he's saying that he's got a connection in the Secret Service.
brendan schaub
It's a fucking scrap.
joe rogan
We're watching a crazy fight.
unidentified
It's a fucking scrap scrap.
joe rogan
We're just talking stupid shit about Hillary Clinton.
brendan schaub
Fuck Hillary and her Tourette's.
eddie bravo
This is about the ruler of the world here.
That's what we're talking about.
We're not talking about just some...
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh!
brendan schaub
Oh, he's fucked up, son.
joe rogan
Look at that.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's on zombie mode.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe schilling
He's going for it, though.
brendan schaub
Karate Kid zombie mode.
unidentified
Oh!
eddie bravo
Armbar!
And then it's over.
brendan schaub
Oh, sick!
Get it, son!
unidentified
Oh, fuck!
joe schilling
The bell?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
brendan schaub
God bless you.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine if you were to hit that armbar?
joe schilling
How nice was Verdum's flying fucking sidekick?
unidentified
I loved it.
joe schilling
I fucking loved it.
And he kept doing the fucking cartwheel clicks.
joe rogan
Guys, we can't talk over each other.
It's horrible to listen to.
brendan schaub
Regulate them.
Tell them.
joe rogan
We gotta definitely not do that.
But yeah, it was a crazy kick.
It was a crazy kick.
brendan schaub
He's done it before though.
He did it when he fought over him in Pride.
People forget.
eddie bravo
It landed him?
brendan schaub
He did it before, yeah.
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, that's interesting.
eddie bravo
That's like a Chinese connection kick.
brendan schaub
Little fact for you guys.
He's done it before.
joe rogan
Jumping fucking sidekick.
That is nuts.
brendan schaub
He jump kicked fucking over him in Pride, ran straight at his ass.
joe schilling
The gif is so good.
It's just so fucking good.
brendan schaub
Dude, it fucking wobbled Travis Brown, too.
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Dude, he caught him on the jaw.
eddie bravo
He throws a lot of wheel kicks, man.
I like him a lot.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about Verdum said, check this out.
Flying fucking sidekick on your coach.
This is Sparta.
Front kick.
Get your bullshit gym out of here.
joe rogan
Front kick.
That was real weird after the fight.
Edmund was screaming at him.
I'm like, what do you think is going to happen here?
joe schilling
I think, watching it, I thought...
He thought that when he was fucking...
I think Edmund at some point thought that Travis actually won that fight and that he got robbed in a decision or something.
What the fuck?
And that's why they were booing?
That's what I thought.
brendan schaub
No, I think there's a lot of pressure on Edmund.
joe schilling
And he saw him doing this shit and was like, oh, come on over.
Yeah, and he thought he was fucking shit.
brendan schaub
I think there's a lot of pressure on Edmund because, you know, it's like, fuck man, you gotta win a fight.
Travis moved his whole camp there.
He looked like pure caca.
There's a lot right in this fight.
He just lost to Kane.
So if you hear him in the corners, there's desperation.
He's losing his voice.
And then when that shit happens, when your fighter fights like that, I think he was just so furious and he's an emotional guy.
But you're talking the number one heavyweight in the world.
He's going to twist your fucking face off when you talk to him like that.
eddie bravo
And he's Brazilian.
In Brazil, they'll just fucking smack you for no reason.
brendan schaub
Verdum's a nice guy, too.
Verdum's a fucking grand human being.
One of the nice guys in the world.
You're lucky that was an ovary or someone like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was all very weird.
It was very weird because I didn't see it until afterwards.
I was climbing into the cage to do the post-fight interviews when he kicked him.
So I didn't see him kick him, but all of a sudden Edmund went flying, a bunch of people in there, and Rafael Cordero was trying to kick Edmund's ass.
Rafael Cordero was fucking furious, and Edmund was screaming at Rafael Cordero, and Rafael Cordero was ready to throw.
eddie bravo
See, they cut all that off.
joe rogan
He was really considering what he should or shouldn't do at that moment.
unidentified
You don't want that.
joe rogan
I'm a fucking bad.
He's a bad motherfucker, and Rafael Cordero was right in front of him considering what he should or shouldn't do, and they were trying to move Edmund away from him.
But he had said some nasty shit.
I don't know who said what or what, but there was a lot of, like, extremities.
brendan schaub
Did you see Dana?
We didn't see any of that on TV. Dana came in and was like, God, dawg, come on.
We got CM Punk before this, now we got this bullshit.
eddie bravo
You got a Brazilian and an Armenian?
Brazilians and Armenian have one thing in common.
They don't take any shit on the street.
You can you say anything to our manian on the street?
You're gonna get fucked up same thing right Armenian yeah, but Italians Italian whatever Italian students They don't say shit.
joe rogan
They're Armanian.
brendan schaub
Armanis.
But the difference is one of them's ranked number one in the world and will rip your fucking dick off and the other guy's just a guy.
eddie bravo
Both races are down to fight at any time.
That's what I'm saying.
brendan schaub
But one can fight better than the other.
That's where you gotta know.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
That's a...
joe schilling
Not one race, but...
eddie bravo
Have you ever heard of Karin Darabedian, sir?
joe rogan
Are you being serious?
joe schilling
Yeah, he was at one point.
What'd you say?
Ed Moon was a legit kickboxer back in the day.
brendan schaub
Compared to Fabricio Verdum, he's a piece of corn and shit compared to Verdum.
joe rogan
Verdum's so big, too.
He's such a giant.
brendan schaub
He's top three, best heavyweights of all time.
He just happens to be one of the greatest guys in the world.
You know what I'm saying?
He's a really good dude.
eddie bravo
So he should have kept his mouth shut?
brendan schaub
Which one?
eddie bravo
Edmund.
joe rogan
Who knows what was said?
See, you can't say that unless you know what was said.
brendan schaub
Well, I know what you shouldn't do is approach a fighter and try and fight him as a coach.
We know that.
I don't give a fuck what he said to you.
joe rogan
Yeah, super controversial move.
joe schilling
I think that he just was watching, and he was pissed off his guy lost, and then fucking Verdum starts doing this shit, and he was like, hey, motherfucker, don't do that shit.
And then Verdum was like, who are you talking to?
eddie bravo
That's exactly what happened right there.
He went back and forth.
joe schilling
And he's like, don't fucking talk to me.
brendan schaub
Well, Verdum said the reason why he frontkicked me, he goes, because I could tell in his eyes he was going to throw a punch at me.
He goes, I could have done something a lot worse.
Which he's right.
eddie bravo
Did Verdum flip off the audience?
brendan schaub
No, hell no.
He was crying because they were booing him.
eddie bravo
And then he was going thumbs down.
joe rogan
They weren't booing the fact that he won.
They were booing that the fight was lackluster.
joe schilling
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
And he wasn't booing that, like, oh, fuck you.
The crowd was right.
unidentified
The fight was tough.
eddie bravo
Verdum was like, we just fought our fucking asses off.
We're doing some shit.
They're in the fucking cage throwing down, so no matter how it goes down, the audience should never fucking do.
joe rogan
Hold on.
You gotta take this into consideration.
The audience is there.
It's in Cleveland.
Stipe beat Verdum for the belt.
They all know that.
They're there for Stipe.
They know that Verdum was the guy Stipe beat for the belt.
So they're against Verdum anyway, because he's like the invading team.
eddie bravo
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
unidentified
You're right.
You're right.
joe rogan
Okay.
It wasn't a good fight, but I was amazed that Travis was able to recover when Fabricio got his back.
That I was like, wow.
That dude's got heart.
He's got some very good defense, too.
Because Fabricio had him down, had him hurt, then had him down, and then took his back.
And I was shocked that he didn't finish him.
I'm like, that's pretty impressive.
Especially considering that Travis had a broken finger.
His finger is fucked up.
You see the pictures of it?
brendan schaub
I did see the pictures.
What's more impressive though is for Doom fighting and throwing a spinning or kicks and the fucking flying kick with a broken foot.
You know he went into the fight with a broken foot.
joe rogan
Which foot?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure.
joe schilling
That is impressive though.
joe rogan
That is impressive.
brendan schaub
How impressive is that?
joe rogan
I wonder if it was the broken one he kicked him with.
That would be ridiculous.
brendan schaub
How gangster is that?
joe schilling
I thought that it was like a mental warfare thing that I thought was kind of awesome.
Yeah.
I don't know the situation, but Saber Doom wasn't in the best shape and needed to be a slower paced fight.
And you come out and you do that flying fucking push kick.
brendan schaub
With a fractured sight?
Look at that.
joe schilling
And then all of a sudden you're doing fucking cartwheel kicks because you don't give a fuck if he gets on top of you when you're underground.
unidentified
Wow.
joe schilling
And the next thing you know it's a slow paced fight and you get to win on, you know.
I thought it was cool.
brendan schaub
That fight's tough, man, because both guys are under so much pressure.
Because if Verdum loses, he goes to the back of the line.
He's older.
This is his fucking second time in the UFC. But Josh Brown, he's one out of his last five.
Edmund, all this pressure.
So there's just high tension, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, very high tension.
There was a lot going on.
joe schilling
How old is Verdum now?
joe rogan
He's like 49. Yeah, he's 39. You know, it's interesting because the Alistair fight, like, the way Alistair was avoiding exchanges and getting out of the way, it's so, like, you're watching a totally different fighter now.
It's so interesting.
Like, you remember his fight with Todd Duffy when he was the destroyer?
That was in Japan.
Yeah, I know, exactly.
And then with Brock, same thing, pre-USADA. I mean, that, that...
Alistair had such a different style.
Now he's moving around a lot.
He's got his hands out.
He's running away from exchanges and picking his spots and trying to fight at a really reserved pace.
He's trying to preserve his energy and pace himself.
brendan schaub
But what technique, and maybe you would know better, Joe, but what technique do they ever teach in any martial art where you run like that?
joe schilling
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's called get the fuck away from Stipe.
joe schilling
It's weird, right?
There was a lot of talk about it after Connor did it to Nate.
You know, negative, positive, whatever.
brendan schaub
You're talking about fatigue and stuff like that.
joe schilling
But that was exactly what, it looked exactly like that.
brendan schaub
But Connor did it later in the rounds.
When you do it in the first round, when you're not tired, that's just, I mean, that's your straight technique, son.
joe schilling
Well, I think if we do it on a football field, like Joe wants, you're going to have those opportunities.
People are going to be like, hey, man, this is too close.
I need to fucking run away from this.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Brennan, Sean, and Matt Morris running.
joe schilling
And get their shit together.
brendan schaub
Give me a football field, I'm out.
joe rogan
Time to run or get down.
brendan schaub
Get down!
joe rogan
Remember when Max Holloway and Ricardo Lamas just looked at each other and pointed at the ground and said, let's do this.
And they just swung for the last 10 seconds of the fight.
Just swung.
There's going to be guys that do that, too.
And there's going to be guys that Alistair it.
joe schilling
God bless them.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but I've never seen...
Have you ever seen Alistair like that?
joe rogan
Ever?
Not Alistair?
brendan schaub
Never seen it.
joe rogan
But you also have to think...
joe schilling
The straight lefty dropped him.
It was beautiful, though.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
joe schilling
And it was off of that runaway.
The other thing that I was thinking is like...
And even when Nate and Connor, when it happened, when you do that runaway thing, you're getting a reset.
And then, for example, with Nate, Nate's been kicking a leg a lot.
You're walking around the fucking ring.
He runs away.
You're walking to him, walking to him.
He's set now, and he's waiting for you.
As soon as you come in a distance, that guy gets to jump on you.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's weird.
joe schilling
It's a thing.
Well, it's a thing.
joe rogan
Well, you don't have to move forward.
You don't have to advance.
That would be kind of interesting if you just stood there as the guy runs away.
brendan schaub
I've never seen what Overeem's doing here.
Ever.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
He got tagged a couple times, and I think he also realizes that Stipe is a fucking dangerous guy, and at this stage of his life, he's not that good at taking a shot.
You know, he's just not.
joe schilling
And then what scenario would have been better for him to do in that moment than to do that?
That was the fucking right thing to do.
eddie bravo
That's self-defense right there.
joe schilling
You're in a bad position.
You're like, oh fuck, I gotta get back to where I'm set.
I'm gonna reset this thing.
brendan schaub
Then why don't more guys run?
joe rogan
I don't think it's the best.
I mean, but if that's what he had at that moment, you know, I mean, it's not the best.
Like, there's guys that fight, like, maybe not in that division, but there's guys that fight.
Okay, here's a perfect example.
Kane.
Kane would never do that.
brendan schaub
Or Stipe.
joe rogan
You're never going to see that ever.
brendan schaub
It's not even in their brain to run.
They don't have that mechanism.
joe rogan
Kane's going to turn, plant himself, fire back, try to take you down, try to crack on you, whatever it is.
And probably Verdum is not going to run like that either.
Verdum's going to look for the clinch, or he's going to try to take you down as you move in like that.
brendan schaub
Name another heavyweight that'd run like that.
joe rogan
Nobody.
Nobody currently.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Nobody currently.
brendan schaub
And there won't be a trend of it, I would probably guarantee that.
joe rogan
No, I think that was a high-pressure situation, and he thought that was his best move at the time.
But if you looked at what he did with Junior Dos Santos, he did a less extreme version of that.
He did a lot of moving away, but he landed hard shots and then ultimately knocked Junior out, so everybody forgave him for it.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
But it's that kind of movement, moving away from the conflict and picking a spot.
brendan schaub
Stipe's best chance to win, too, is if you look at Stipe's wins, when he gets a guy against the cage, he goes to work.
So maybe he was like, you know what, I'm just gonna reset, go to the center, keep going to the center, because we know how good Stipe is with his game plan and back me up to the cage.
eddie bravo
I don't know anything about his grappling.
Tell me Stipe.
joe schilling
I heard he's a really good wrestler recently.
College wrestler?
College?
I heard he was a wrestler.
joe rogan
Let's pull it up.
brendan schaub
College wrestler at Cleveland State.
joe rogan
Also a real good athlete in other sports.
eddie bravo
What about jiu-jitsu?
brendan schaub
Well, baseball.
He's a baseball player.
Wanted to play professional baseball.
His jiu-jitsu is very good.
Not offensively.
Defensively.
He's not high-level trained, but his defense is amazing.
He's like Rashad Evans when it comes to defense.
eddie bravo
No submission wins?
brendan schaub
No, no.
Not a big smash.
eddie bravo
And what about his striking specifically?
brendan schaub
Boxing Golden Gloves champ from Cleveland.
joe rogan
Very good technique.
You see when he had Alistair against the ropes.
unidentified
College wrestler, Division I college baseball player too.
joe rogan
You see when he had Alistair against the ropes or against the cage and just hit crisp combinations.
This fight is a motherfucker, kids.
brendan schaub
Has a head like a pit bull.
He can take a shot.
joe rogan
This fight's going to be fun.
brendan schaub
I'm excited for this fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, it should be a good one.
Yeah, the heavyweight division's in an unusual position right now, you know?
It's really interesting to see what happens.
Really interesting to see how well Kane's recovered from his surgery.
Obviously, he looked like a monster again against Travis.
That looked like the Kane of old, you know?
brendan schaub
Kane steeped the fight.
It's the only fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
What do you guys think about Tony Ferguson versus Dos Anjos?
unidentified
Woo!
brendan schaub
That's a motherfucking fight.
joe rogan
And it's in Mexico City, kids.
eddie bravo
Dog, dog.
We're going to be in Big Bear for four weeks.
joe rogan
Yeah, he Instagrammed a picture from Big Bear.
Is he at Tito's old joint?
eddie bravo
No, he's going to rent his own house.
unidentified
Gio, Chai, Compella, Boogie.
eddie bravo
We're all going to go up there and rotate.
brendan schaub
That's a great fight, man.
joe rogan
When Tito was in his prime, he bought Oscar De La Hoya's training camp up there.
It's dope as fuck, man.
brendan schaub
I heard it's amazing.
joe rogan
He had the cage set up there and he would do all his training.
brendan schaub
I think Tito said he still owns it.
joe rogan
Does he?
brendan schaub
He was on our show and I think he said he still owns it.
joe schilling
Shane Mosley has one too.
He rented it out to Canelo.
Now Canelo has a spot in San Diego.
A lot of guys are talking about how Being at altitude or being a Big Bear doesn't work as far as altitude-wise, but guys will still do it to get away from the world and get focused on it.
joe rogan
What do you mean by it doesn't work?
joe schilling
There's a lot of arguments about if it's better to sleep low or to train low and then sleep high.
And then people go up there to Big Bear, which if you're not there, I guess the argument is if you're not there for a long enough period of time, that you're actually getting less out of your workouts because it's harder because you can't breathe.
brendan schaub
And you get less reps.
joe schilling
Which is the whole concept behind it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe schilling
I do like the, when you were asking what I do for cardio, like I'll do, and I've been doing it for fucking years and years now.
Probably since I really took off.
My career was high altitude training with the, I have like a machine that pumps nitrogen.
So you're actually getting less, it simulates whatever altitude that you want.
joe rogan
What do you do, like sprints on a treadmill?
joe schilling
As soon as I sign the papers, if I have six weeks, eight weeks, however long it is for the fight, I just start sleeping and using it when I sleep.
And then as my cardio gets good and I'm starting to feel confident in my cardio and I start working it and testing it, then I'll start doing Tabata sprints with the mask at 10,000 feet on the treadmill.
Kirsten has me do it on a rowing machine.
But then I don't even do pad work, I do bag work, I do all kinds of shit with that fucking thing.
brendan schaub
You're talking about a device, or you're talking about that training mask thing?
joe schilling
No, fuck that mask, not that mask.
I was going to say, give me shit on my face.
Hypoxico is the brand, and it's this big machine, and it pumps nitrogen, and so you're taking the same breaths, but volume-wise of those same breaths, where I'm breathing oxygen now, it would be 80% oxygen and 20% nitrogen, which lowers the amount of oxygen that you breathe, and what that does is it It makes your body go, oh fuck, I'm not getting enough air out of each breath.
I need to be more whatever.
So your body will release red blood cells from your bone marrow.
And that's how you increase your red blood cell count.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
joe schilling
It's like blood doping.
But it's on a way lower scale.
brendan schaub
It's a form of it, just legally.
joe schilling
My coach notices it right away when I started using it.
Like the...
Your lactic acid build up and your cardio will increase every time you do it.
joe rogan
And you do how many of those a week?
When you're in peak training?
joe schilling
When I'm like peaking, it depends on...
Like I said, every camp's different, but I'll try at least twice, three times a week.
joe rogan
But you're sleeping with it too?
joe schilling
And then I'm sleeping in it at night, yeah.
joe rogan
A tent?
Is it one of those tents?
joe schilling
Well, I had the big tent and...
My chick didn't like it and the tent was like too big.
unidentified
Yeah, no shit.
joe schilling
The tent was like too big because there was like a room in a room.
It gets hot and then it smells like you're sleeping in a fucking tent.
brendan schaub
It smells like soup.
I had one myself.
joe schilling
But mine was like, I was like, oh.
brendan schaub
It smells like soup.
joe schilling
Don't fart in that motherfucker either.
Well, it's a big ass tent.
brendan schaub
It'll fuck your whole night up.
joe schilling
It's a big ass tent.
It has like my fucking dressers and like it's a fucking room in a room.
So then I ended up getting a...
brendan schaub
A pod?
joe schilling
No, I fucking made it.
It's actually really...
I wonder if I have a picture.
unidentified
You made it yourself?
joe schilling
It's really impressive.
joe rogan
The air that we breathe.
joe schilling
I got these plastic bins at Home Depot, the biggest plastic bin I could find.
I cut one wall off of it.
I'm not even kidding.
brendan schaub
You made your own hyperbolic chamber?
joe schilling
I plugged the thing in the back, and then I got a sheet, like a tarp, and I hang it so it's inside of the...
Inside, like, when I lay in, there's like a fucking plastic bin over my head.
brendan schaub
Damn, you MacGyvered a fucking...
joe schilling
And then there's a plastic tarp which lays over the sheets or whatever, and then it's pumping the oxygen.
joe rogan
And that's how you sleep?
brendan schaub
I don't know if that works, man.
joe schilling
Oh, it definitely works, too.
brendan schaub
That's so gangster.
unidentified
You MacGyvered a hyperbolic chamber.
brendan schaub
God bless you, man.
joe rogan
You can't be paranoid of close paces when you're in a spot like that.
brendan schaub
Your chicks sleep with you too in there?
joe schilling
That's the only way that she would do it because she didn't want the big ass tan anymore.
Sometimes she'll get in there and be like, she doesn't like it.
Then it's really way too close.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
joe schilling
Shit you do.
But it does really increase your cardio.
brendan schaub
Have you been in one of those, Joe?
joe rogan
No, I never slept in one of those.
brendan schaub
I used to own one.
joe rogan
Yeah, the soup thing's hilarious.
joe schilling
What'd you own?
joe rogan
Oh, look!
unidentified
They have one.
brendan schaub
Look at that!
Look at this!
joe schilling
Hyperbolic or hyperbolic?
brendan schaub
Hyperbaric.
joe schilling
So it was less oxygen like what I was talking about.
brendan schaub
Yes.
Yeah, and it was one of those like pods and I'd sleep down there.
joe rogan
Well, hyperbaric.
joe schilling
Yeah, so I watched all these things.
You see that one on the top left that's like just over his head?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it looks like they keep bugs out.
joe rogan
Hey, here we go.
joe schilling
That's what I used to...
brendan schaub
This could be a quick one, gentlemen.
joe rogan
Brunson's trying to take Uriah Hall down.
Uriah Hall marched at him.
brendan schaub
Fucking Marty, Joe, making your own shit.
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Slaying those.
joe rogan
Aren't those hyperbaric chambers?
Or hypobaric or hyperbaric?
They're two different things, right?
joe schilling
Yeah, one of them pumps tons of oxygen into you, which is supposed to be really good for knockout recovery and stuff like that.
And then what I have is it decreases your oxygen.
You're basically suffocating yourself all night long.
brendan schaub
Which one were you saying, Joe?
joe schilling
And then your body's like, oh, fuck, you need to be more red blood cells because you're dying.
brendan schaub
Which one of you Shannon pumps the pure oxygen?
joe rogan
That's the hyper...
That's what I had.
Is it baric?
Isn't it baric?
brendan schaub
That's what I had.
I thought it was hyperbaric.
joe schilling
I think it's hyperbaric.
unidentified
Hyperbaric, yeah.
brendan schaub
Hyperbaric, that's what I had.
But it was soft, so I guess it wasn't working as well.
So then I went to a guy in L.A. that had a hard one.
It was like this thick glass.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I know Uriah Faber used that after the Aldo fight to repair his leg.
After he got leg kicked.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a brutal fight to watch.
His leg swole up.
Derek Brunson with a good knee to the body.
brendan schaub
I don't see this fight last long.
joe rogan
Well, Brunson was able to stop the bum rush, which is big.
brendan schaub
Oh, you got a lot of time, though.
Mm-hmm.
Let's see that spinning kick.
Powerful Jamaican shorts on your eye.
joe rogan
It's not just spinning kick, man.
It's his straight shots.
He's so efficient with his movements when he's striking.
brendan schaub
He's tough to take down, man.
He was with us at rain.
He's a fucking freak athlete.
joe schilling
I think his distance is really hard to read, too.
His movement patterns and the distance that your highest strikes from is...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Brunson with a left!
brendan schaub
Brunson begs the dam for a shilling.
joe rogan
Oh, that is a wrap!
Oh my goodness.
brendan schaub
Oh, dance it, dance it.
I'm not mad at that dance.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
I just can't get on track.
joe rogan
What do you think about that stoppage?
eddie bravo
I think that was a little...
You know me, man.
brendan schaub
Eddie needs to see that.
unidentified
You know me.
eddie bravo
What do you think I think?
joe rogan
You think it was premature.
brendan schaub
You think it was way premature.
Let's see the replay.
joe rogan
It's Herb Dean again.
I mean, Herb Dean is a bad motherfucker, dude.
If Herb thought it was premature, he might have been.
Or if Herb thought it was time, he might have been able to see something.
brendan schaub
You know why?
You know what kind of triggers a little bit is Uriah went for a single leg on Herb Dean.
That's usually a bad sign.
joe rogan
He did?
After the fact?
He sure did.
Is after he stopped it, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
He went for a single leg on Herb.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
We're supposed to put up a clock to sync this up.
Do you have a clock that syncs this up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I can put it up all the time, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
So I was almost thinking about rewinding it, but that'll fuck up our clock, right?
brendan schaub
Brunson's saying, title shot.
You gotta relax.
They'll show it.
joe rogan
Is he saying title shot?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
You gotta relax.
joe rogan
Let's check this out here.
You gotta relax.
I hear you.
brendan schaub
I've been there myself.
joe rogan
Fakes it.
unidentified
Kadoosh!
joe rogan
Beautiful left hook.
Beautiful.
He's pounding him.
Boom, boom, boom.
brendan schaub
He's not really doing much there.
unidentified
Did he get hit?
joe rogan
He's lifting his arms up.
brendan schaub
Now watch this.
Now watch this.
This is how you know he's fucked up.
Watch him shoot this beautiful single leg on Herb.
joe schilling
Oh, what a left hook.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
joe schilling
Right on the chin.
Miss.
brendan schaub
Oh, his head's not moving.
Look at this.
joe schilling
I ain't hitting him.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You gotta give a guy a chance to recover.
joe schilling
Yeah, he wasn't even hitting him.
brendan schaub
That was a little premature.
He was fucked up, though.
joe rogan
I mean, he definitely got tagged.
joe schilling
He was fucked up from getting dropped.
joe rogan
I just don't agree with that.
He was trying to move.
brendan schaub
You know what?
Herb's a little off tonight.
Can we all agree on that?
joe schilling
We're all friends.
brendan schaub
We all love him.
joe schilling
I don't know.
He's definitely...
eddie bravo
Every now and then, you know...
joe rogan
I think this...
eddie bravo
You gotta...
joe rogan
This was off.
eddie bravo
Cut him some slack.
joe rogan
This was off.
eddie bravo
He does such a great job.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Herb's having an off night.
Everyone has an off night in the office sometimes.
unidentified
Sigh.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I mean, it's interesting because I would have liked to see Brunson actually finish it, finish it.
I mean, I think maybe if you gave him more time, he would have been able to finish it conclusively, and we wouldn't be sitting here doing this.
Correct.
Because you don't want to take anything away from that left hook.
That was beautiful.
brendan schaub
You know what?
That was a little premature.
I agree with Eddie this time.
joe rogan
I think it was premature as well.
joe schilling
That left hook was money.
The other ones didn't get in there.
brendan schaub
Because you know what?
When he shot that single leg to get up on Herb, right away he was like, what the fuck, man?
He grabbed it and was like, oh shit, come on, man.
joe rogan
He's like, why is your leg here?
brendan schaub
Why do you have pants on?
joe rogan
What's going on here?
I mean, he was turned up and probably closing his eyes, you know?
Turtled up, trying to avoid the punches that were coming at his face.
joe schilling
Right.
joe rogan
Who knows?
It just seemed like they didn't land.
It's like he got hit with that one big shot, he goes down, but then the two afterwards, they were kind of deflected.
brendan schaub
His head wasn't...
He wasn't doing what a guy who was conscious would do with his head or neck, I feel like.
joe rogan
Well, he was certainly conscious.
It's a matter of how compromised he was.
brendan schaub
Yeah, well...
Because if you look at it, the head's not moving at all.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, his head's not reacting to anything.
His arms are up stiff, and it's not moving.
joe rogan
But it was enough to stop the two punches that he was trying to throw at him from hitting him.
brendan schaub
Well, is that him, or is that bad shots on Brunson?
eddie bravo
If you're on the fence about that, I think you'd let it go.
brendan schaub
I agree with you on this one.
I agree with you on this one.
joe rogan
Here's where you give Herb Dean the benefit of the doubt, though.
He said Herb was looking in his eyes while all the shit was going down.
And he might have not been there.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
He might have been off in the dark lands.
joe schilling
Or Herb's angle, different from the camera, it actually looks like he's getting hit.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe schilling
Whereas our angle is just as better.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Maybe.
joe schilling
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I would say that Herb has the best view ever, though, right?
Ever.
He's on top of him.
brendan schaub
Ever.
joe rogan
It's interesting.
It's hard to really predict.
Where are they tonight?
brendan schaub
Hildago.
joe rogan
Where the hell is that?
brendan schaub
South Texas, near the border of Mexico.
For our show, I put hashtag, where the fuck is Hildago?
And then some guy's like, I'm from there, asshole.
joe rogan
If you're from Hildago, relax.
eddie bravo
What's the closest major city to Hildago?
brendan schaub
Mexico.
Yeah, I actually don't know.
I have no idea.
Don't quote me on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you want to fly in, you've got to fly to Mexico, and they take you over on some sort of a shuttle.
eddie bravo
Am I right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Right on the border.
joe rogan
Oh, it is right on the border.
brendan schaub
Public school's paying off, son.
joe rogan
Wow, that's really right on the border.
How many miles is it from the border of Mexico?
brendan schaub
Let's just do it in Mexico, huh, UFC? Holy shit.
joe rogan
I mean, it's right there.
brendan schaub
Was I right about Juarez?
joe rogan
They should have just brought in all Mexican fighters and treated it like a Mexico City card.
brendan schaub
And then have cartel as the security.
unidentified
Be sick.
Yeah!
jamie vernon
Right?
brendan schaub
Be fucking sick.
joe rogan
And then they all come out to mariachi bands and narco songs.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
They're all at the Canelo fight, but yeah, that'd be a brilliant idea.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
That's why they do it tonight.
brendan schaub
It's in Dallas Stadium, son.
unidentified
Is it?
brendan schaub
How about Liam Smith?
He's never fought outside the UK. And they're like, oh, cool.
Here's Canelo in Dallas Stadium sold out.
Get you some.
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
What is that, 50,000 people?
brendan schaub
60-something, isn't it?
joe rogan
60,000?
Canelson can sell some fucking tickets.
What's interesting is Gennady Golovkin can't.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
It's weird.
He does pay-per-views.
They don't do well.
brendan schaub
They really don't.
joe rogan
That's why he fought on HBO last week.
He's not really a pay-per-view fighter, but man, in my eyes, there's no more exciting fighter maybe ever.
He's blood and guts.
He's got nasty face.
He's up there.
He's got nasty boxing, beautiful movement.
brendan schaub
Then he gets on the mic and goes, Big drama show!
I try big drama show!
Alright, man.
We need something else.
joe rogan
You gotta take English lessons.
Crank.
Here it goes.
So he's down.
Boom.
brendan schaub
See the limp left hand?
You see the limp left hand, though?
Not doing much?
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
It's hard to see from there.
Let's see it from here.
We can all agree on this.
unidentified
Boom!
joe schilling
That's a funny shot, yeah.
joe rogan
That was a beautiful left hook.
No, those don't land, man.
joe schilling
Here's my thing is that he's probably still fucked up from that shot while he's down there, but you didn't stop him from the shot, and then those three things that he threw all missed.
So what changed, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's certainly controversial.
joe schilling
But he was definitely fucked up on the ground there, but he wasn't getting more fucked up when he stopped it.
joe rogan
It's too bad it's controversial because Brunson landed that perfect left hook.
He would never want to take anything away from that moment, you know?
brendan schaub
That's nothing on Brunson, right?
joe rogan
But it is.
If everybody says it's a bullshit stoppage, it makes you feel bad.
brendan schaub
People are going to hate on him.
joe rogan
It should be clean.
brendan schaub
Hey, Herb, you're going to have to give your eye half your paycheck now.
I hate to be shitty about it.
joe rogan
Could they fucking please put a 145-pound weight class in instead of having Cyborg starve herself every time they let her fight?
It doesn't make any sense.
brendan schaub
Well, because that 145, she's gonna kill a bitch.
At least a 140, she's dehydrated.
What poor soul is going in there to fight this girl?
Could there be a scarier fighter than Cyborg?
joe rogan
The woman, Lena Landsberg is her name, and she's a world Muay Thai champion.
I don't give a fuck.
She's actually very badass.
brendan schaub
Fantastic.
Fly down Brazil and fight Cyborg.
joe rogan
Yeah, in Brazil.
brendan schaub
She's going to punch you in the face so hard.
Now, you want to talk about Mike Tyson effect?
There you go.
There you go.
joe rogan
Why don't you relax?
eddie bravo
Who's Lena Landsberg?
joe schilling
I don't know.
joe rogan
She's a world Muay Thai kickboxing champion.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Very good striker.
She's got nasty elbows.
Particularly good in the clench.
Knees to the body.
brendan schaub
I bet she's fantastic.
joe rogan
Elbows over the top.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I bet she's great.
Anyone want to bet on that?
eddie bravo
Yeah, bitch.
joe rogan
You don't even know what she fights like.
Did you see what happened when she fought Jorina Barge?
I don't care who's Cyborg.
Did you see when she fought Jorina Barge?
brendan schaub
I sure didn't.
I've seen Cyborg fight.
joe rogan
Jermaine Durandamay is the same weight class.
joe schilling
135. Dude, she's bad.
Yeah, Cyborg's a monster.
joe rogan
She's terrifying.
She beats the shit out of chicks.
brendan schaub
What superstar are they going to feed her?
joe rogan
She lost to Jorina Barge in a fight where Barge dominated her.
This is Lena Landsberg.
She's good, dude.
She's a good kickboxer.
She's got good striking, good movement.
She's good, man.
eddie bravo
That's her shit, right?
That front kick jab?
joe rogan
Well, she throws a round kick and then she comes from behind it when you're recovering with her right hand.
But she's got good elbows and a clinch, too.
The question is, is she going to be strong enough to keep Cyborg off of her?
That's the real question.
Is she going to keep her head enough to use her movement and her technique?
She's fucking good, dude.
She's a good striker.
brendan schaub
Doesn't go past two rounds.
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Too bad Brian Callen's not here to bet you in a way where...
brendan schaub
Here he owes me 12 fucking grand.
joe rogan
I'm done betting that.
brendan schaub
12 grand?
Sorry.
joe rogan
For real?
unidentified
You got me fired up, Joe.
brendan schaub
I'm done betting Callen till he pays me.
joe rogan
Callen bet him, and then he lost the second.
He's like, let's go double or nothing.
They bet six grand.
He lost.
He's like, double or nothing.
So he loses again, and now he's ghost.
brendan schaub
I haven't heard from him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's hiding in New York.
brendan schaub
Until New York had that bomb.
He goes, brother, I'm safe.
Let's just forget about the money, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
He set the bomb so he doesn't have to pay you.
brendan schaub
I had your money.
We got blown up.
It's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
He was in a suitcase.
brendan schaub
I need more time.
joe rogan
This is going to sound amazing.
Yeah.
You can't bet those large sums unless you're going to pay up.
That's a lot of money.
brendan schaub
Yeah, the Jesus is running.
eddie bravo
The Colonel is a pimp?
Did you guys see that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
George, what the fuck's his name, right?
George Hamilton?
They have a different Colonel Sanders every week now.
eddie bravo
I like the pimp one.
brendan schaub
Rob Riggle's one now, too.
eddie bravo
They should keep that one forever.
brendan schaub
I'd like to see Arsenio.
joe rogan
So what was your two bets?
He bet on Overeem?
brendan schaub
Conor Diaz.
joe rogan
So he bet on Diaz in the first fight, and then he bet on Overeem in the Stipe fight?
brendan schaub
But he's the one that won, and I go, dude, I don't want, just pay me my money.
He goes, no, no, no, Overeem, Stipe.
And he goes, you get to pick first.
I'm like, I'll take Stipe, but you gotta pay him.
He goes, fine, I'll take Overeem.
joe rogan
So when he lost, you guys have done podcasts since then.
What kind of conversations have you had about the money that he lost?
brendan schaub
He's like, do I have to check in my car, blah, blah, blah.
And then we do the show, and then after he just dips out.
joe rogan
So you ask him, point blank, are you going to pay me?
brendan schaub
Yeah, and he's like, I swear I'm going to pay.
joe rogan
He said, I swear I'm going to pay.
brendan schaub
The thing is, it's tough when he's up front.
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
You're going to not pay him for the t-shirts.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what I could do.
I could just not pay him for merchandise.
joe rogan
Or are you just going to accept the fact that everything with him is sort of theater?
brendan schaub
That's what I'm going to accept.
I would never take money from him.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's interesting.
brendan schaub
I mean, if you gave me a check, it's a lot of money, man.
joe rogan
If you lost $12,000 and came to him with $12,000 in a bag and just handed it to him, pushed it over to him, he said, are you sure?
And you're like, yeah, you won.
Do you think he'd give it back to you?
brendan schaub
I do.
Really?
I do.
You would know Brian better than me, but I feel like you would.
eddie bravo
I just keep going double or nothing till he wins, and then there you go.
brendan schaub
That's what he was hoping.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you just keep going.
brendan schaub
But I won't bet on that, because you can't make a bid out of it.
eddie bravo
You see how big you can go before he's eventually going to win.
brendan schaub
You'd be surprised.
unidentified
Can he owe you $250,000?
eddie bravo
He's not going to pay you, but just see how high you can go.
brendan schaub
Well, then no one cares.
Well, no one cares.
If they know that he's never going to pay, then why care?
unidentified
Why bad?
eddie bravo
You see how high you can go.
brendan schaub
I have to hold him accountable.
joe rogan
If Callan is on a plane that gets hit by an asteroid and he dies, you go after his family.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, I'm going to tell his wife, God, this sucks.
I'm going to need that 12K. I've got to...
eddie bravo
Document it on air.
joe rogan
We've talked about it.
He owes me $85,000.
brendan schaub
You know what?
Let me just take this test.
joe rogan
And listen, 12 becomes 24 real quick.
brendan schaub
Real quick.
joe rogan
24 becomes 48 real quick.
brendan schaub
You know how it becomes 24?
Because he wanted to bet on Yoel versus Weidman, because I want Weidman.
joe rogan
No, he wants to go more!
brendan schaub
He wants to go.
Keep going.
eddie bravo
Keep going.
brendan schaub
No, he has to figure it out.
eddie bravo
Just keep going.
unidentified
Come on, man.
eddie bravo
That's entertainment right there.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo is 100% right.
eddie bravo
But pretend like you really want the money so that your audience...
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
You can't pretend.
I really want my fucking money.
eddie bravo
This is show business, Brendan.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't bet like that with friends.
I'll bet a friend a hundred bucks.
I don't mind paying a friend a hundred bucks.
But, like, I don't want anybody giving me a thousand dollars.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
unidentified
I feel shitty about it.
joe rogan
It feels like that would hurt.
brendan schaub
I agree.
I don't want to, like, take away from his kid's horse riding lessons or some shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That just seems like...
Like, that's a weird thing with, like, rich dudes.
Like, if you're like a Lorenzo Fertitta or some sort of super rich dude type kid, like, if you're gonna have a bet, that shit's gotta be preposterous.
Just to get your heart rate up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, just for you to care?
joe rogan
Yeah, Mark Cuban and Lorenzo Fertitta, they get drunk together one night, and they decide, let's get down.
You wanna have a bet, motherfucker?
And they get crazy, and they look at, like, a $50 million bet.
brendan schaub
No, they're betting like private jets.
You know what I'm saying?
Different level.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
eddie bravo
You thought they were rich before.
Holy shit.
How's Lorenzo partying these days?
brendan schaub
Playing the same, nothing changes.
joe rogan
I just need a gold spaceship, and he's just gonna have a window where only his dick hangs out.
eddie bravo
He just goes everywhere in a helicopter.
If you had a trillion dollars, wouldn't you just go everywhere in a helicopter?
You would just like...
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
eddie bravo
Why fuck with traffic?
Can you imagine the stereo system he has in his helicopter?
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
Nothing changes for those guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they were already so super rich.
They're just, you know, more super rich.
And if I had to guess, he's probably going to get into the football game.
Because he's a big fan of football.
brendan schaub
Oh, kids coming to Vegas.
joe rogan
Kids play football.
Yeah, they're talking about that.
brendan schaub
And there was a Raider front office looking at the facilities for practices already.
eddie bravo
A Las Vegas NFL team?
brendan schaub
Oakland Raiders will go there.
joe rogan
Interesting.
I guarantee you.
brendan schaub
Bet on that.
joe rogan
The Fertittas will have some part in that.
They're great guys.
brendan schaub
They're brilliant.
You know, I've also heard, and I don't...
It could be true, I don't know.
This is from guys dealing with him.
Since the sale, everyone says Dane is so much better to deal with on negotiations.
I guess since sale, he's just way cooler to deal with now.
For whatever reason, maybe, you know, who knows.
But they say he's just way...
You know, not that he wasn't...
Impossible to deal with.
I just just his demeanor is completely different in a positive way.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brendan schaub
Which is cool to hear.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean he was already, Dana's been super rich for a long time, but there's super rich and then there's like how many hundreds of millions of dollars did he make from that shit?
brendan schaub
Four hundred.
joe rogan
Something like that.
brendan schaub
He hasn't got all of it yet.
It's like over years, but still.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's like a level.
brendan schaub
From what I've heard from people that are going through negotiations right now, they're like, dude, it's crazy.
He's way better to deal with.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brendan schaub
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm very curious to see what these guys...
You know, Ari Emanuel is a super savvy entertainment dude.
You know, his knowledge about the business is pretty much unparalleled.
Or at the very least, at the top of the heap.
It's him and then CA. He's got some crazy connections in the world.
It's going to be interesting to see what they can pull off.
Because, you know, I don't know how long the deal with Fox goes on, but...
brendan schaub
I think it's another two years.
joe rogan
I was having a conversation with Dana way back before they were doing this Fox deal.
They were talking about buying a network at one point in time.
And it was like right before the economy collapsed.
If they wound up buying that network, who knows where the fucking sport would be.
brendan schaub
You know what I think is going to happen?
I think once the Fox deal is up, and I may not have heard this from some smart, smart people involved in it.
You know how the NFL and NBA, it's just not on Fox, on CBS, NBC. They think ESPN, Fox, they're not going to just be on one network with just Fox.
Have the lightweights and the welterweights on NBC. You're going to see ESPN promoting UFC fights big time.
Some big fights.
You're going to see Fox doing it.
Similar how the NBA and NFL is.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
jamie vernon
They just did an NFL game this week, broadcasted on Twitter live on Thursday night.
Like, it was on the actual app, like, on the website or on your phone.
It was on Twitter.
joe rogan
Whoa.
So you could watch the game on Twitter.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it said it was trending, and then next to a little live button.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's intense.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's cool.
joe rogan
That's intense.
eddie bravo
Do you guys have those things, those little stands that you put in your bed and you clip your phone where you could just watch your phone like shit go?
No, I hate my phone.
Because generally, for the longest time, I'd have to hold it, kind of set it.
You know, if I wanted to watch anything on my phone.
Now, my wife got me to stand.
Yeah, where it's an awesome clip where now I look forward to getting in bed and just watching Netflix.
joe rogan
Why don't you get an iPad?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I want you to spot on the TV, though, huh?
eddie bravo
I do that, too.
I do that, too, but it's nice to get in bed.
Because, you know, if you take an iPhone here and you hold it to your face like this, that's like sitting in the last row in a movie theater.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
eddie bravo
It's exactly the same thing.
brendan schaub
It's going to fuck your eyes up.
eddie bravo
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
eddie bravo
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
No, your eyes don't move very much.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
When you're looking at the last row of a movie theater, you're looking at this big thing.
It's still a big thing.
You're moving your head around.
A lot of shit's going on.
This thing is, you've got to like, oh, there's a little thing right in front of me.
I've got to pretend it's big.
eddie bravo
Think about it.
Think about it.
I am thinking about it.
When you're lying in bed, turn off all the lights and then put your phone like this close.
It's the exact same proportions that if you're sitting in the last row in a movie theater.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ooh, look at this.
These guys are getting in each other's face right before the fight.
Well, you know they have those VR goggle headsets.
It's actually a phone.
You slide a Samsung phone into this VR goggle and it becomes like a virtual reality headset.
eddie bravo
Aren't Samsung phones blowing up?
joe rogan
They're blowing up, yes.
unidentified
Is that real?
eddie bravo
Like crazy, dude.
joe rogan
The Note 7. How will...
eddie bravo
That's going to destroy Samsung.
joe rogan
It's gonna destroy them.
eddie bravo
Who the fuck would get a phone with one of those?
They blow up?
Oh, are people dying?
joe rogan
Dude, people's houses...
joe schilling
Oh, they actually blow up.
I like what you're saying.
They're blowing up.
joe rogan
This dude in Florida videotaped his house.
His house caught on fire from a fucking Samsung phone.
eddie bravo
Have people died from Samsung phones?
joe rogan
Blowing up, literally.
Yeah, look at that.
joe schilling
That's not good.
eddie bravo
Oh no, they're done.
Can you imagine the stock right now with Samsung?
joe rogan
Oh, it dropped radically.
eddie bravo
Oh shit, no more microwaves, nothing.
joe rogan
There's one where a guy was in his driveway, he had his car, his phone charging, just sitting on his console, burst into flame, came out, his dog was barking, his fucking car is on fire, ablaze in his driveway, from his goddamn phone.
They videotaped the whole thing, so he's like, what the fuck is this?
eddie bravo
Do your kids ever go through your phone and look at videos and shit?
You let them watch cartoons on your phone every now and then, right?
joe rogan
Imagine.
Yeah, imagine if it blew up on them.
unidentified
Imagine that shit constantly.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Well, a six-year-old boy did apparently get burned.
From a phone blown up in his hand.
eddie bravo
If they're recalling these phones, imagine how many people got fucked up from them.
joe rogan
Dude, they recalled a million phones.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
A million phones.
eddie bravo
I wonder how many accidents.
Can you find out how many accidents, Jamie?
Is that possible?
jamie vernon
I just said there was like 25, 26, 26 reports of burns and 55 reports of property damage, including fires.
eddie bravo
That's a lot for a fucking phone.
I bet it's zero for iPhone.
I bet zero iPhones are blowing up.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, this is the first time this has ever happened with any major manufacturer.
I've never heard of anything like this before.
eddie bravo
Just like that thing you were talking about?
jamie vernon
Those cars back in the day, like the Pintos and shit, were killing people, right?
joe rogan
But that was from accidents.
They'd get rear-ended and the gas tank was in a bad position.
eddie bravo
How about that thing you were talking about, Elon Musk came up with a battery that stores solar energy?
How fucking dangerous would that be?
Like some kind of cell that's holding all this energy?
Holy shit, you'd want to put that in the back shed, like on the other side of the backyard.
joe rogan
It's a good point if it blows up like these Samsung phones, right?
Yeah, real good point.
Because think about how small the phone is, and think about how big the battery bank must be to power your fucking J-Lo mansion.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's what the energy companies can do.
brendan schaub
That's what I come back to.
eddie bravo
They can just start false flagging houses blowing up.
Solar energy's blowing up houses.
That's an easy one.
And then everyone's like, oh, we're going to stay on the grid.
Fuck that sun shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here we go.
What do you think about this fight?
What do you think about this fight?
Tremendous amount of shit talking between these two.
brendan schaub
Wayans were a really good fight.
joe rogan
It's a really good fight, man.
joe schilling
They're just a really good fight.
joe rogan
Johnson, it's very interesting because he's, at times, looks real good striking.
But the question is, does he have enough to hang with Poirier?
And does he choose to strike with him or does he try to take him down?
Like, what is he going to do here?
It's going to be really interesting.
Poirier pretty much has the same strategy always.
Presses forward and tries to strike.
brendan schaub
Looks great at this weight class, though.
eddie bravo
Jamie just pulled up some shit where they're already on Tesla for blowing up, right?
Put that back up, Jamie.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Tesla spontaneously catches fire, burns down during test drive in France.
unidentified
You know what?
joe schilling
They should put that on.
unidentified
All they got to do is put that on CNN, like, all day for a week.
Fuck.
eddie bravo
That's it.
And then that's it.
It's so easy to get rid of good technology.
joe rogan
Well, they had a problem with Teslas early on where if underground debris or ground debris, like if they rolled over some rocks or something like that and it damaged the undercarriage, then it could have some issues.
So they fixed that issue somehow or another.
They probably like polyurea coated the bottom of the cars or something.
jamie vernon
It says they put a titanium shield on the bottom to stop that.
unidentified
There you go.
brendan schaub
That helps.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
It's so easy to get rid of Tesla.
joe rogan
This is an interesting fight here, man.
Because Michael Johnson at one point in time was looking real good.
He was climbing that ladder.
brendan schaub
Six fight win streak.
joe rogan
But the Nate Diaz fight set him back quite a bit.
brendan schaub
He got dismantled in that fight.
That was the best Nate's ever looked.
Good luck being that Nate.
joe rogan
Yeah, Nate looked real good, man.
And I was talking to Ludwig about it.
He was talking about how the way Nate throws is 1-2.
He goes, like, most people go 1-2.
Like, the left hand and then the right hand comes behind it.
With Nate, they're coming at you at the same time.
It's like, uh-huh.
They're coming together.
Yeah, he's like, it's a totally different rhythm.
unidentified
Oh!
eddie bravo
It's over.
That's a wrap, son.
brendan schaub
Hold up.
Yeah, for sure jump the fuck in there on that one.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
Henry Hooft and Michael Johnson.
Michael Johnson got it done.
He's doing the give me my money.
brendan schaub
He's doing the old Johnny Manziel.
joe rogan
Michael Johnson.
Oh, stand over.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
brendan schaub
Well, you're not doing any fans.
joe rogan
He just said fuck you, bitch.
Wow.
eddie bravo
It's a fight.
brendan schaub
He said, fuck him.
joe rogan
And he just said, fuck him.
Wow, there must have been some serious shit talking before this.
brendan schaub
Oh, look at Poirier talking shit to him.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't.
eddie bravo
You can't do that at this point.
brendan schaub
Why don't you guys fight?
Oh, wait.
eddie bravo
You can't do that at this point.
Remember when Tank Abbott fought Nelmark?
He fought somebody.
No, no, no.
It wasn't him.
It was a Taekwondo guy.
Forget his name.
But he fought a Taekwondo dude who fought in the earlier UFC. And Tank...
Fucked him up and he fucked him up too long and the ref tried to stop, John McCarthy tried to stop it but he hit him like an extra shot and then the guy tried to fight Tank after that for fucking him up.
unidentified
It was so weird like he wanted to fuck him up for fucking him up.
Dude, they're trying to rally Johnson here, just being like, dude, calm down.
joe rogan
Oh, what's going on here, man?
brendan schaub
Because he keeps talking shit.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
He's totally out of position.
Dustin Poirier's feet were totally out of position, and Johnson landed a perfect shot.
Look, the referee lost his shoe.
Powerful black sketch.
First time ever.
brendan schaub
That's what you get to win fucking sketchers.
joe rogan
Boom, bam.
It's interesting from the other angle because his feet were completely out of position.
And then he cracked him again.
Damn.
Look at this.
Look at where Poirier's feet are.
Look at where it lands.
brendan schaub
Great defense by Johnson.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Bam, bam, bam, bam.
eddie bravo
How cool would it be if you had a line to the truck from here?
You know when you're working the show?
joe rogan
Look at that!
Look at that fucking walk!
brendan schaub
Dude, it took security and even Dan Mariola yanked him down the cage like, dude, calm down!
Even the cut man was like, dude, chill!
joe rogan
Quit talking shit!
He's still doing that, give me my money thing.
Give me my paper.
Wow.
See, this is where I was like, why are you cutting away from the controversy?
Put it on.
Let's hear what these guys are saying to each other.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
Let's see what Johnson was saying to them.
brendan schaub
I'd much rather see that than this.
joe rogan
Yeah, mic them up.
brendan schaub
I love me some Dan Hardy, but I'd much rather see those two jawing at it.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's time for that, and then there's time for this after that's done.
brendan schaub
It's true.
It's also time for fucking Burger King.
joe rogan
Let them jaw at each other.
Come on, folks.
Let's see what they said.
I mean, they must have said some awful shit to each other for Johnson to knock him out and still be mad.
brendan schaub
You must have been saying some more awful shit for Security and the Cutman, like, hey, let's relax a little.
You won, my man.
joe rogan
Pretty amped up.
brendan schaub
It's always weird to me when guys are mad after the fight.
Like, you won, man.
You physically beat me up.
Let's relax.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's always weird to me.
joe rogan
Wow, that's a setback and a half for Poirier.
eddie bravo
But that high you get.
That high, like, I'm a fucking conqueror.
Now I don't have to take any shit.
Now you just want to fuck more people up, right?
I can only imagine, because I've never, ever fucked anybody up.
unidentified
Right?
eddie bravo
I can never imagine.
All I do is...
brendan schaub
Have you had animosity, Joe?
You beat a guy.
Let's say there's bad blood before.
You guys fight.
Do you carry on?
Do you hold that bad blood in the locker room?
joe schilling
No.
eddie bravo
Kind of get it out, right?
joe schilling
I don't think so, yeah.
Never.
Usually.
brendan schaub
Have you ever fought a guy where it was just bad, mad shit talking like it was like...
eddie bravo
Out of control on Twitter and shit?
joe schilling
Yeah, I've had a couple beefs like that where we had multiple fights.
Me and Levin had three fights.
Me and I fought Simon Marcus.
eddie bravo
You guys were on Twitter telling each other to fuck off and shit?
joe schilling
Not really.
I don't think Twitter.
It was more like interviews and back and forth.
eddie bravo
MySpace.
joe rogan
The Levin one was weird because Levin pulled out of your fight and then he fought Simon Marcus after that and just stopped fighting at one point in time, right?
What happened in that fight?
joe schilling
With Simon and Levin?
I was there and I still don't know what happened.
I think he got a warning or something for holding.
I think he got an eight count.
I think they fell between the ropes and Levin didn't get back in the ring fast enough so they gave him a standing eight count and he got pissed.
But yeah, he just quit halfway through the fight.
Just walked out of the ring and quit.
joe rogan
And he hasn't really fought since, has he?
joe schilling
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
You were saying that you didn't think that he wanted to fight anymore.
It was like one of those things like the reason why...
joe schilling
Yeah, I can't imagine anybody...
I lost like...
I had respect for him even though we had like...
It was like we're rivalry.
And then when he did that, I just...
You're like the champion and you're representing kickboxing and you're representing your country and you're representing all this like shit and you quit because the...
You know, you took your ball home and then gave up your world title.
It was ridiculous.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
He got out of the ring defending his title and quit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
That was just weird to me.
joe rogan
You don't see that, you know?
brendan schaub
It'd be interesting if Johnson talks shit here.
joe rogan
Well, I think he's calmed down because they just hugged each other, you know?
Let's hear what he's saying.
Pay me, baby, what's up?
Wow.
brendan schaub
See, everybody's going WWE. Well, but pay me what's up.
Maybe if it's a contract.
joe rogan
Crank.
brendan schaub
Bang.
Dude.
unidentified
This is a beautiful combination.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Crank.
Bang.
Mm.
brendan schaub
Don't make Nate Diaz get in shape now.
eddie bravo
Is he a Division I wrestler as well?
joe rogan
Yeah, very good wrestler.
It's just weird how the referee lost his shoe.
Do you tie your shoes?
What's going on, buddy?
brendan schaub
Those are Skechers, sir.
joe rogan
Have you ever lost your shoe in a scramble?
brendan schaub
Those are Skechers.
joe rogan
Maybe they should be wearing wrestling shoes.
brendan schaub
That's a great idea.
eddie bravo
Chandler gave him a flat tire if you watch that back.
brendan schaub
No one should...
He's wearing Skechers in a street fight.
joe rogan
You mean Poirier or Johnson?
eddie bravo
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Kaboosh!
Oh, beautiful.
eddie bravo
How did he lose the shoe?
unidentified
Where is it at?
joe rogan
He lost it.
Oh, right there.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's a bad angle.
I think Chandler gave him a flat tire.
brendan schaub
That's Dan.
joe rogan
You know what?
The shoe was probably too small because Dan's feet are so fucking big.
He probably didn't have any shoes that fit him because Dan Mergliato's a giant.
brendan schaub
He's a giant man.
joe rogan
He's got like a size 18 shoe.
Couldn't find one at the mall.
brendan schaub
He's a big boy.
Give me the 16. He looks like you should be wearing those New Bounce because they're extra wide foot.
You know what I'm saying?
People with really wide feet have those new balances, those weird old new balances.
joe rogan
Maybe he put the 16 on, but he said, I just won't tie them.
It's not going to be a problem.
unidentified
I'll wear these.
joe rogan
It's not going to be an issue.
brendan schaub
Like sandals.
eddie bravo
I won't tie them.
Hey, you know that SAP function for the UFC, that SAP? Yes, for Spanish.
You can hear the Spanish commentary?
What if the UFC came to you and said, we want to add an option to listen to the Fight Companion?
joe rogan
See, the problem with that is then we would have to guarantee we're going to do it.
We don't always want to do it.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Like, sometimes we're out of town.
Like, the beautiful thing about The Fight Companion is, we're independent.
You know?
We get together, and we really would be doing this anyway.
eddie bravo
What if they owed two billion dollars?
joe rogan
Okay.
brendan schaub
Yeah, what do I got to do?
joe rogan
I want to hang out with Lorenzo in Italy.
I want to get a yacht and be like, what's up?
eddie bravo
Is that the end?
Is that the yacht?
The yacht and the helicopter and the private jet, that's the last shit, right?
There's nothing over that.
joe rogan
No, islands.
eddie bravo
Islands is the last thing.
brendan schaub
Islands where you land your yacht or your helicopter.
joe rogan
Yeah, by the time you have an island, you already have a yacht and a helicopter.
And a jet.
eddie bravo
Yachts, like...
You're a white belt at being a billionaire, right?
Yeah.
It's like, okay, you got a yacht.
That's cute.
brendan schaub
Standard.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You know there's Uber boat.
joe schilling
So you're a billionaire starter kid.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, he got lit up.
God damn.
That was a ferocious stoppage.
That was ferocious.
eddie bravo
What's the latest on jetpacks?
I mean, you've been doing that joke in 2000 about how...
Why the fuck?
Because they had jetpacks in the 70s.
joe rogan
That was in 2006. In the 70s.
eddie bravo
They had jetpacks on chips.
I don't know if you're over 40, you might remember chips with Eric Estrada.
joe schilling
I love chips.
unidentified
Yeah, they had fucking jetpacks back then.
joe schilling
You're telling me?
That was real?
eddie bravo
That shit should be mastered.
Yes, they've had jetpacks.
You could...
brendan schaub
I don't think they had jetpacks.
joe schilling
I don't think that was real.
brendan schaub
I don't think that was real.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no, jetpack.
Hey, if they weren't real, I believe it.
joe rogan
Listen, I was in Denver with my boy Willie from KBPI in Denver.
Love Willie.
brendan schaub
106.7.
joe rogan
And Willie took me into the parking lot.
They had a show that they did live from the parking lot where a dude flew a jetpack.
So jetpacks do exist, but the dude who flew it had two ACL braces on.
I go, what's up with the ACL braces?
He's like, dude, I fucking crashed this thing so many times.
I've torn my legs apart.
He goes, at this point, I'm not even going to bother getting them fixed.
Yeah, they have them.
But the one that this guy had, this guy, this is a much newer prototype.
With Willy and the gentleman who we saw, this was like 2000. Yeah, let's get some good looks at this.
So back then, they could only do it, he said they could only fly for 30 seconds.
So what would happen is he would go 15 seconds up, and then it would take about, he really wanted to go down.
He said, I'd like to land in about 5 seconds.
He's like, because I've needed a buffer at like 30 seconds, you're basically out of juice.
eddie bravo
That's awesome.
brendan schaub
Complete waste of time.
eddie bravo
Hey!
joe rogan
But for now, see, the thing is, virtual reality- They've been working on that for 50 years, dude!
eddie bravo
They've been working on this forever!
joe rogan
Virtual reality used to be a waste of time, too, until the computers and the technology caught up.
Now, they have virtual reality that'll freak you the fuck out, man.
brendan schaub
There's a crazy virtual reality- Not the one you showed me.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
You never did it.
You never did it.
I didn't show you anything.
unidentified
Yeah, you did.
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
What did you show me?
You never put a goggle on.
You never went to it.
brendan schaub
I saw the graphics.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're seeing it in two dimensions.
It doesn't mean anything.
When you put that goggles on and you're looking around this world, even if the graphics aren't perfect, they freak you the fuck out.
Yeah, people get vertigo.
They get weird.
eddie bravo
You're walking a wire in a canyon.
And you're like, holy shit, I'm scared of heights.
Even in this fucking...
I was in some hallway.
joe rogan
Well, there's a boxing one.
eddie bravo
It's kind of like shit.
joe rogan
Really?
There's a boxing one, yeah.
Well, you box this guy.
It's weird because you hold these handles.
You got to hold them like this for your fist to look like this in the game.
It's very strange.
So, like, it looks like you're hitting the guy like this with your hands, but you're really doing this in the air.
So it's not 100% like boxing technique, but you could change that.
I mean, you could definitely change it to you're putting something in your hand and wherever position your hand is in, that's the position the gloves would be in, and then it would feel a lot more natural.
But it's very, this is what it looks like.
It's very rudimentary right now.
But, as far as, like, movement, and as far as, like, teaching someone how to avoid punches and counter, you don't feel anything when you hit them.
But you do have to move correctly in order to hit them.
brendan schaub
What happens if you throw the right technique?
The punch just doesn't catch up with it?
What happens if you do throw?
joe rogan
It doesn't matter because it's not based on how the punch actually, what position the glove is when it lands.
It's based on whether the glove lands.
eddie bravo
Wouldn't it be cool to do it with some kind of helmet that had electroids that connect to your brain where you could kind of feel when you get hit?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get zapped.
eddie bravo
Yeah, a little zap.
But then that kills you.
It turns out that that gives you Parkinson's quicker than actual...
Head trauma.
joe rogan
Well, here's what happened.
The dude in the video game caught me with a punch, and when they catch you, you see a flash.
brendan schaub
That's kind of cool.
joe rogan
And it gives you the same feeling that happens when you get punched.
You're like, oh shit, I better move.
brendan schaub
A white flash?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it gives you that, oh shit, we're in trouble.
brendan schaub
That's pretty dope.
joe rogan
It gives you that same little weird endorphin rush if you get actually punched in the face.
It's very interesting.
Very interesting.
So what I'm thinking is, if someone develops a program where they take a guy like you, and Joe Schilling does his kickboxing techniques, and you literally...
I mean, it's going to have to be one or two more...
Like versions of this improvements, but it's gonna get to a point where it's virtual it's a point where it's super high resolution so they could hire a guy like you to throw kicks and punches and in a in a computer simulation where all of your different kicks and punches are all programmed in there along with like patterns that you might use and someone can actually practice fighting you without fighting you Like your opponents.
Yeah.
joe schilling
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Kind of nuts.
You would get used to seeing you across the cage.
eddie bravo
That would be illegal to steal someone's fucking moves.
Can you imagine your trainer sold your fucking program to the enemy?
joe schilling
Imagine all of your training where you need a partner that you're doing.
You're basically doing eye training at that point.
A drill where you're doing actual real-time head movement.
If I could wear that shit.
joe rogan
You could, dude.
I'm telling you.
joe schilling
You really could.
Sitting on my couch, laying in bed, and I never do that shit all the time.
joe rogan
It's attached to a cord, so it would be weird for, like, spinning things.
It would be weird if you're trying to throw spinning elbows or spinning kicks or move too much.
You know, if you had too much footwork, you might get tangled up in this.
But how long before this motherfucker's wireless?
And once that thing's wireless, then you're just wearing a helmet, and you're basically in some Enter the Dragon room.
Because you set these things up, and where Duncan had it, he had it in his office, which is essentially like the same size as this room.
You got a camera up there, and a camera up there, and it makes a grid on the ground.
And that grid on the ground is the battlefield.
That grid is where you duke it out.
Like, there's an archery game, and that grid represents a castle, and these invading armies are coming, and you're shooting at them with bows and arrows.
Dude!
Dude!
jamie vernon
It's already in a backpack, so it's off of big wires.
It's not fully wireless.
brendan schaub
That bitch got some Xbox on her back.
eddie bravo
That looks wireless to me.
joe rogan
Which version is this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
It's the Vive.
It's the same thing you used, but the whole computer is on her back.
eddie bravo
Is that an Alienware?
jamie vernon
It's a company, MSI, I believe.
brendan schaub
Are they for sale, Joe?
jamie vernon
Yeah, you can buy them.
brendan schaub
You buy them right now.
joe rogan
Duncan's house.
brendan schaub
I thought maybe Duncan got like a prototype.
joe rogan
No, I mean for him to try it out.
Yeah, Eddie, you could try it out at Duncan's house.
No, you can buy them.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
There's not a place where you can go, like an internet cafe where they had a bunch of these.
For now.
They put you in a room, eight bucks an hour.
It's going to knock yourself out.
joe rogan
It's going to happen.
I'm telling you this technology is going to change the fucking world.
brendan schaub
There's no arcades anymore, right?
Yeah, there are arcades.
eddie bravo
Let's try going to Castle Park.
I take my son there like every once or twice a week, Castle Park.
We were there today.
That shit's packed.
As long as there's kids, there's going to be video games and arcades.
Because on the weekends, and miniature golf, they don't even have to take care of the fucking miniature golf.
brendan schaub
Well, miniature golf makes sense.
eddie bravo
It's packed on the weekends, man.
And during the summer, you got kids, you want to take them to fun places.
brendan schaub
Arcades are killing it, though.
joe rogan
There's arcades.
Those Dave and Busters are everywhere.
They're all across the country.
I take my kids to Dave and Busters constantly.
All kinds of crazy games.
eddie bravo
Anything for kids.
I get the big blockbuster movies for kids all the goddamn time.
Everything's for kids and music for kids and fucking Britney Spears and Justin Bieber.
I get it.
You want to make your kids happy and all that bullshit.
They like that bullshit.
brendan schaub
Britney Spears.
eddie bravo
Nintendo Glove.
Gushers.
joe rogan
Britney Spears is not for little kids.
It's for, like, secretaries.
Neither is Beavers.
brendan schaub
Yeah, neither is Beavers.
joe rogan
It's like horny secretaries.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Britney Spears.
joe rogan
Girls are just sitting there typing, thinking about dick.
eddie bravo
Dude, you're going to be taking your kid to Toys R Us eventually, and just let him get on the bikes, and then he's just going to be riding his bike like The Shining and shit, and you just fall, and you take him there to ride the bikes, and then eventually one of the cashiers there, one out of three times, will say, you can't just be riding these bikes.
unidentified
You're riding bikes.
eddie bravo
And he goes through The Shining, like all through every aisle around the whole giant Toys R Us in Burbank.
brendan schaub
Well, I like seeing what...
I was just there with my son the other day at Baby's Toys R Us.
Now it's like one big-ass place.
The toys are very similar.
It's still Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, G.I. Joe's action figures, micro-machines, but they're really not micro, they're just regular now.
But same shit, really.
eddie bravo
Dude, your kid's going to be on your phone going through your pictures and shit.
brendan schaub
No, hell no.
eddie bravo
No phones.
No, that's going to happen.
For sure it's going to happen.
You're going to be sitting with your kid and he's like, can I see a video?
You're going to be watching a video.
He's going to want to see it too.
What are you going to say?
No.
You're going to be sitting there.
You guys are going to be looking at videos together, music videos and shit on your phone.
joe schilling
He's going to have a Pokemon Go account on your phone.
He's going to have his own YouTube channel.
eddie bravo
Nothing's easy, but having a business where kids come for entertainment, man, that's like...
Once you figure that out, that's forever.
There's a place called Dizzy B's in Valencia.
It's a giant place with these tubes and slides and the kids go nuts.
They're Billy B's.
Have you ever heard of Billy B's in Valencia?
Gigantic tube place, tube park.
It's fun for adults.
I go in there with my kid and we start sliding down.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
What are you showing us, Jamie?
brendan schaub
Is that virtual reality?
jamie vernon
No, this is Jetman Dubai.
These guys are flying on these self-propelled...
I think they have to leave from a plane.
unidentified
Whoa!
jamie vernon
But once they're in the air...
eddie bravo
Look at that shit.
jamie vernon
It's like a...
joe rogan
How long they go for?
eddie bravo
Holy shit!
jamie vernon
I don't know, I think they have gas of some kind.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so crazy.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's amazing.
brendan schaub
They said, fuck your 30 seconds.
joe rogan
I wonder how long that tank lasts for.
unidentified
Holy shit!
joe rogan
These guys are human planes.
eddie bravo
Those are birds.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's insane.
Look at that thing.
unidentified
Is that real?
eddie bravo
That's not real.
joe rogan
That's real.
eddie bravo
It looks fake.
joe rogan
No, it's fake.
jamie vernon
It's a real video.
eddie bravo
That's not like, in the future, this is what it's gonna look like.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
We're working on it.
We need like investment.
They're trying to invest in it.
brendan schaub
If they show them right now, that's real.
joe rogan
No, Eddie, it's real.
This is 100% real.
I've already seen this.
brendan schaub
Oh, you've seen it?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is real.
brendan schaub
Dude, look how close they are to the jet engines.
joe rogan
So bad.
brendan schaub
So dangerous.
joe rogan
What if it catches fire like a Samsung phone, just burns your dick 30,000 feet in the air.
It only catches your dick on fire, and then it goes out.
So your dick is gone.
eddie bravo
That takes suicide bombing to the whole fucking level, right?
Can you imagine that shit?
joe rogan
I would just undo those straps, and I'd be like, we're done here.
We're done here.
We're just going to go 30,000 feet and out.
brendan schaub
Fuck your flying squirrel suit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's just not my way.
brendan schaub
Didn't Red Bull have one?
Weren't they the first to do it?
But it wasn't jet propelled.
It was like a suit.
joe schilling
They still parachute though, right?
eddie bravo
That's so crazy.
One false move and they're dead as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe schilling
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Camp Trails.
joe schilling
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're chemtrailing the fuck out of Dubai.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Andy, he does those wingsuits.
brendan schaub
See, that's insane.
joe rogan
Which is even crazier because he doesn't even have an engine behind him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe schilling
And they're like right...
brendan schaub
Have you ever seen him crash on one of those things?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
I saw the video of one guy from a GoPro, like from his point of view where he hits the ground.
He just timed it shitty.
brendan schaub
It'll fuck your night up.
joe rogan
He's going a hundred and something miles an hour too.
jamie vernon
See the one where the guy hit the bridge?
joe rogan
No, no.
jamie vernon
It's not good.
It's not hard.
You can't see the aftermath of it.
You can just see him hit.
There's people watching it.
It's not good.
joe rogan
Pull it up.
brendan schaub
I'd love to see it, Jamie.
joe rogan
Let's end this fucker with that.
brendan schaub
Let's end it with the guy running to the bridge.
joe rogan
What is it?
People love fucking thrills, man.
I mean, why do we like this Johnson Poirier fight?
Because we love thrills, right?
We love craziness.
Oh, Jesus!
People love watching things.
They love doing thrilling things.
Some people just have to go so far to get their dick card.
eddie bravo
This guy dies?
jamie vernon
He's coming in a gorge.
There's a bunch of people on a bridge.
He was trying to be a little bit of a hot dog, they said, and trying to go really closer than he was supposed to go.
One guy went under the bridge and one guy went over.
He's the guy that was going over.
eddie bravo
I had a friend who was into this.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
eddie bravo
Boom!
Donski.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he just hit the bridge?
That sound is him hitting the bridge?
Hold on, play that back.
eddie bravo
And see that other guy?
There's another guy that's behind him.
joe rogan
Play that sound again.
Hold on a second.
brendan schaub
That's game over, son.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Play that one more time.
Listen to that sound.
Listen to the sound.
eddie bravo
They knew before.
The guy said, oh shit, before.
I knew a guy who was training for this.
unidentified
You gotta do so many skydiving jumps to do this.
eddie bravo
And by the time he was qualified to do a base jump, so many of his group have died that he decided to back out.
It's like, too many people are dying.
unidentified
These guys die all the goddamn time.
joe rogan
That's him hitting the wall and bouncing off.
eddie bravo
One wrong move and you're dead.
It's over.
Oh, shit!
brendan schaub
Fuck, man.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
God, we're just can't have any mistakes.
joe rogan
Oh, look what it did to the bar.
eddie bravo
That's an efficient...
brendan schaub
Oh, he...
eddie bravo
Who's that?
joe rogan
That's something else.
You could go down a wound rabbit hole on YouTube.
When I was a kid, you had to work to get a copy of Faces of Death.
You had to actually go out.
You had to seek it.
You had to go to that weird area, the video store.
You had to hope somebody else hadn't rented it before you.
Any little fucking kid whose parents aren't paying attention can go on YouTube now and watch dudes bounce off of cliffs and buildings and get run over by trucks and car accidents.
If YouTube doesn't catch it, those things, they stay on for a while.
And fucking high school kids are probably the first to find those things.
brendan schaub
You got a smart little fucker.
He's on that underweb looking at all sorts of shit.
eddie bravo
God, man.
joe rogan
What the input to someone's mind.
eddie bravo
The underweb?
Is that real?
joe rogan
Dark web.
unidentified
That seems like such a trap.
eddie bravo
Like, yeah, it's an underweb.
You could do all sorts of crazy shit.
Yeah, but it just seems like it's a trap.
joe rogan
A trap.
Well, you can't do all sorts of crazy shit.
They've arrested people.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
The guy who created that website...
What was the website?
Silk Road.
Silk Road, yeah.
He's actually in jail for life.
For facilities.
unidentified
He's out?
jamie vernon
No, I was just saying he's not out.
There's a pretty interesting...
I don't know if it's a documentary is the way you want to word it, but on Viceland's show, I think it's...
I can't remember the name of it, but they take a guy onto the dark web.
They show you, like, this is going on a website.
Here's the eBay.
Here's how you buy stuff with Bitcoin.
Oh, look, there's heroin.
How do you trade my cash for Bitcoin?
joe rogan
I wonder if that's been tightened up because of the trial.
The trial was really crazy because it turns out that the DEA agents, the people who are investigating them, wind up stealing the Bitcoin money.
So the investigating guys wound up stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then the guy who created the whole thing still wound up going to jail.
So there was obviously some fuckery and shenanigans and real corruption going on.
And this dude's in jail for life.
He's in jail for life, but they said that...
See, I don't really know what he did, but I think they said that he was trying to get someone murdered.
That was one of the possibilities, right?
That someone had suggested...
They murder somebody and he was trying to set something up.
brendan schaub
That makes sense.
You can't be ordering killings of people.
jamie vernon
I just remember watching that movie that Alex Winter made.
He was in the deep web and you can learn a lot about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he didn't believe it.
Alex didn't believe it.
It was an interesting documentary.
I watched the documentary before Alex came in.
He didn't believe it, but the reality is he doesn't know.
You don't really know what a guy did or didn't do unless you were there.
We know the cops were liars, though.
They were stealing money.
The very cops that were in charge of the case were stealing money From the account.
So the whole thing is so crazy.
eddie bravo
Jamie, how do they still work?
How does that work?
joe rogan
Because anybody can be in.
There's no fucking meetings.
It's just a bunch of people online that are tired of bullshit.
eddie bravo
I'm down with that.
brendan schaub
Really, really smart people.
eddie bravo
Yes, but how do you know it's not fake?
Like how come because they're all wearing masks?
How do you know people aren't putting fake?
How do you know the fake anonymous videos are the real ones?
joe rogan
Anybody can be there.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, how would you?
I would have to talk to someone who's legitimately anonymous to get the full details.
eddie bravo
It's still going strong and they're still fighting crime, right?
joe rogan
They definitely do.
They definitely catch people that have done fucked up shit.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah.
eddie bravo
What was the latest thing they've done?
joe rogan
Well, I remember one story about a girl who was throwing puppies in a river.
Remember that shit?
unidentified
No, I don't.
joe rogan
And they found her and they doxxed her information.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
You know, they've done some things.
You know, they've closed down and hacked into databases and companies are doing shady shit.
What's going on here?
jamie vernon
This isn't new, but Ari did a podcast with a couple guys that were in Anonymous, or they claim to be in Anonymous.
So if you want to find that out, you can check out SkepticTank79 and listen to Ari talk with a couple guys.
eddie bravo
I'm just confused as how it's organized.
joe rogan
Excellent.
eddie bravo
Is there an Anonymous, like an official, there's an official Twitter?
Like who runs that?
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
There can't be, because then, like...
People would know who they are.
joe rogan
I gotta say before I forget, Ari Shafir's latest podcast is with Henry Rollins.
Not all those who wander are lost.
It's fucking amazing.
That Henry Rollins guy is crazy.
brendan schaub
He's crazy.
joe rogan
He goes all over the world.
No, he's amazing.
brendan schaub
That'd be amazing to have him.
joe rogan
I have a total newfound appreciation for him after listening to him on that podcast.
brendan schaub
They told me his work ethic.
We work with the same guys for our live shows.
And they were telling us about Henry Rollins and his work ethic on the live shows.
It's insane, man.
joe rogan
I can only imagine.
He goes to these weird places.
He picks a spot in the world, travels there, and spends like a month there.
And just brings a typewriter, or rather a camera, and maybe a laptop.
And, you know, his clothes and shit.
And just lives with these people.
And just goes to like Kuala Lumpur.
Okay, let's try that place.
Goes by himself.
Goes and hangs out.
Takes photos during the day and at nighttime, writes stories about it.
You know, and he writes stories for a bunch of different publications.
I don't want to give away any more of it because it's just an awesome podcast.
brendan schaub
Interesting dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ari ran into him.
I think Ari was in Stockholm and he was doing stand-up and Henry Rollins was there doing something else and they met up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's an interesting guy.
Talented guy.
joe rogan
I always thought he was very smart and interesting and very passionate about a lot of things, but hearing him on Ari's podcast gave me a whole different appreciation for him.
brendan schaub
I feel like you guys would connect.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
On certain things.
I think it'd be fun.
joe rogan
Maybe he'd hate me.
brendan schaub
Or maybe you'd hate him.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
brendan schaub
No, you guys be friends.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think listening to him on the Ari's podcast, I would find him completely fascinating.
I just really respect that completely off the beaten path choice of just deciding.
He goes to these places and he'll just go and, you know, hang out in Afghanistan.
brendan schaub
He's kind of always been a guy who's done it his way, which I appreciate.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he started off as a musician, and then now what he does is he writes, and he does, like, these spoken word things.
Apparently he's doing a run at Largo in December, so I might go down there and check that out.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they say his live show's badass, and it sells out like a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it's interesting.
He's kind of, like, kind of doing stand-up, but not, you know, he's really just telling stories about things, so he's not confined, which is, you know, a lot of people find...
Like, uh, podcast very freeing, because it's one of the few times that comics aren't confined to this constant need to be funny, like, all the time, like, over and over and over again.
Like, sometimes it shows that are just funny back and forth, funny back and forth, but you don't have to.
Like, sometimes there's a moment in a podcast where you just have to, you want to kind of explore something.
You can't really do that on stage, though.
A comic can't really do that on stage unless they do some sort of a weird, artsy, one-person show.
But a guy like Rollins, he doesn't have any defined pattern that his shows have to follow.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's not in a box.
He's not a comedian.
He can get up there and do...
I know he has his guitar.
He tells these epic stories from his life.
You're right, though.
joe rogan
He can do whatever he wants.
brendan schaub
You're not going to that show going, make me laugh, clown.
I need to laugh in the first 10 or 15 minutes.
Go.
Go.
joe rogan
It's kind of interesting what you guys do with Fighter and the Kid, too.
It's because you're doing a podcast, but you do a podcast live.
And you're doing this podcast live, and it's kind of a comedy show, but it's kind of whatever the fuck you want it to be show.
You can kind of make your own sort of format of entertainment.
The live podcast format is a new form of entertainment in a way.
And I've only done a couple of them.
I did one of my own and a bunch of other people's ones.
And the thing, the interesting thing about it is, it's not the same thing when an audience is there.
When you're doing it live, it becomes way more of like, their attention span is taken into consideration much more.
brendan schaub
Yeah, and Brian had the great idea to perform.
Like, it's a performance, you know, there's scripted parts, and it's broken up into segments.
When he decided to do it, I did my research and I went to some of the live podcasts.
I'm like, dude, these people are loyal fans, devoted, but this is boring, man.
It's just two guys on a mic talking.
There's not much to see.
And especially if you're in a comedy place, like if you're doing the store or you have to play improv where they're used to seeing big acts and people who entertain, you got to kind of do your thing, man.
You're not going to be able to just talk like buddies.
You got to have a plan.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're doing a big venue, for sure.
Kevin Smith used to have this little theater in Hollywood.
And I did a podcast there with him.
I did one with Norton there.
I did my podcast there with Norton a long time ago.
And his theater only seats...
I don't think he has it anymore...
But it only seats like 40 people.
It's like this tiny little place.
It's essentially like an acting studio where people would take acting classes and then they'd come down to the stage and perform.
It was so intimate, it was bizarre.
brendan schaub
What was this format?
Was it like a podcast?
Because then I don't think you have to put on a show as much.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Podcast, yeah.
But it's a podcast in front of a really small, super, super intimate crowd.
Like almost too intimate.
eddie bravo
Like Wally George.
Remember that?
joe rogan
Wally George.
eddie bravo
Remember Wally George?
joe rogan
I do, but I don't.
eddie bravo
From the 80s.
joe rogan
Was he the guy with the weird hair?
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
And he was on Late Night?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
He was the cable TV guy.
I was in the audience of one of his shows because they would cut to the audience.
He filmed in Anaheim.
unidentified
There he is.
eddie bravo
Wally George.
He filmed in Anaheim.
I gotta piss.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Guys, keep this going without me, will you?
brendan schaub
Keep this going without me, will you?
eddie bravo
You don't remember Wally George.
You're too young for that, right?
brendan schaub
I don't.
eddie bravo
Wally George.
He's like an insane...
brendan schaub
What's he from?
eddie bravo
He had this...
I guess it was like you know that What's it called?
Free Access TV? Public Access.
Public Access TV show.
brendan schaub
It was Channel 6 in Denver, Colorado.
eddie bravo
And he filmed in Anaheim, and he was just...
His character was a total D-bag, but super Republican D-bag and yelled at people.
He was just over the goddamn top.
brendan schaub
You're just doing it for ratings?
eddie bravo
Hot Seat.
That's the name of it.
It was insane.
brendan schaub
Do you still do your podcast, Eddie?
eddie bravo
No, man.
brendan schaub
You should stop doing it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
It's just...
Maybe I'll come back and do it.
Maybe I will.
But we did like 60 or 70 episodes, something like that.
I don't even remember.
I never go back and listen to them.
And I said enough shit.
I'm like, do I want to be a fucking host?
I don't want to be a host of shit.
Maybe I'll change my mind.
Maybe I will.
I don't want to be that guy who says same shit over and over again, because when you're running a show, you do.
You have to repeat that story because some people haven't heard it, and then the people who have heard it, your hardcore fans, are like, here he goes with that fucking show.
brendan schaub
Depends on your guest, too, because did you have a partner, or was it just you?
eddie bravo
Man, I'd have a room full of people.
I just invited five people at a time just to have this conversation, just like this.
I wanted four or five people to talk.
But after a while, I get sick of hearing myself tell the same goddamn story.
I think I've said enough.
I think I've said enough.
I mean, do I want to be a host of some shit?
I really don't feel like I want to be a host.
joe rogan
If you ever get the itch to do a podcast, you know you can always do this one.
You know?
You can always come on and do my podcast.
unidentified
Well, no, no.
eddie bravo
I'm not talking about being a guest.
brendan schaub
I was asking about him doing his own show.
joe rogan
But I'm saying...
That's what I'm saying.
Like, if you just want to do it occasionally and just get the itch out, you know you've got an open invitation.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I, uh...
Have you heard of that show Rockline?
It's been on for 30 years, Bob Coburn, KLOS, big, huge, like that Guns N' Roses, Kiss, like all the big, biggest rock legends would get on KLOS once a week.
It's called Rockline.
It's huge in LA. Well, Bob Coburn came down with some kind of cancer or whatever, and the show's on hiatus, and the producer of the show, he wants me to bring my podcast back, and He said, dude, let me put together something for you, and I'm on the fence about it.
You know, if we do this, who knows?
Who knows who?
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Listen, you're a fun guy to listen to, man.
Just do it.
It's not like you don't sign a contract or anything.
Just do it.
eddie bravo
It'd have to be, just like you said, it'd have to be in a way where if I want to just do it on my pace, I don't want people like, oh, you've got to do four shows.
brendan schaub
Well, you have a studio.
joe rogan
You have a studio, you know?
eddie bravo
My studio actually sucks because it's a rehearsal studio and sometimes I'll have guests and there's a drummer that practices it.
I've done podcasts where the drummer just shredding for two hours.
unidentified
Well, that's a problem.
eddie bravo
I've done that.
It becomes a problem.
brendan schaub
Well, you don't want it, Joe's right.
Same with the companions.
Let's say someone's like, oh, we want to take this on and pay you guys a jillion dollars.
It takes the fun out of it if it's work.
If we have to see each other once a week...
Just take that money, bitch.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
brendan schaub
Well, a billion's different.
eddie bravo
If I decided to try to do that just to test it out, maybe I'd take you up on your offer and...
Maybe, you know?
Who knows?
Maybe, you know?
brendan schaub
Sounds like you don't know.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I'm on the fucking fence.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
That's a good thing.
joe rogan
Listen, if you ever want to do it from here, like, one day, just for a goof, just bring it back one day for a goof.
You know, we could do it together.
eddie bravo
I might do that.
I might do that.
joe rogan
I think that you should do whatever the fuck you want to do.
And you stop doing it for a reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You stop doing it because you're so overwhelmed with responsibilities, with family, with jiu-jitsu teaching, with running EBI. It's not a priority.
There's a lot going on.
eddie bravo
Especially with that.
It's like, fuck, am I going to have a podcast, run EBI, run Tenth Planet, make music?
unidentified
Am I still...
eddie bravo
Fuck!
joe rogan
There's a lot going on.
eddie bravo
There's too much.
And then I got my son there, and these are the most important years of his life, and I'm hanging out with him, and I'm trying to shut things off.
I'm really focusing on trying to just shut the world off.
brendan schaub
Was your podcast making money?
No.
eddie bravo
I never tried to even look for fucking sponsors, man.
I was just doing it on my own free time, just for the fun of it.
And I think I've said enough, man.
All the episodes are still up on YouTube.
joe rogan
I don't want to fucking repeat any other stories.
Even having sponsors is a fucking responsibility that you have to consider.
Because what if you have a sponsor that's not good?
What if you have a sponsor that rips people off or something where it goes wrong?
There was a sponsor that came to me that was like an Uber for nannies.
For people taking care of your kids.
That's a brilliant idea.
eddie bravo
That's a great idea.
joe rogan
It's a terrible idea.
You don't even know this part.
What if they behave like Uber drivers?
You don't even know these fucking people.
I heard it for a second.
I go, no fucking way.
I was like, no fucking way.
eddie bravo
But if they guaranteed that their babysitters run through a rigorous background check.
brendan schaub
You've got to be careful of that stuff.
I've had this conversation with Joe before, too.
Certain sponsors, we've turned down, I won't say the name of the company, but Two mega sponsors, because Cal and I, A, don't believe in the product, B, our audience would be like, get the fuck out of here.
This isn't real.
You guys just do it for a paycheck.
So we turned them down.
We had one that was a suit company.
eddie bravo
Soup or suit?
brendan schaub
Suit.
And you would have to go get tailored, and they'd send the suit in the mail, like these world-class suits.
joe rogan
What's wrong with that?
brendan schaub
Well, what's wrong with that is both mine and Cal's came in the mail, and they were just so shitty.
We're just like, we can't do this, man.
Because dude's gonna order suits, and then they come all shitty, and they're like, dude, this is, you know?
Can't have it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that ain't good.
brendan schaub
You know how it goes.
joe rogan
Well, that's smart that you guys did that.
That's smart.
Because the last thing you want to do is disappoint your fans in a way like that, where you can avoid it.
You know, it's one thing if you get tricked.
But if you could avoid it, it's just hard because right now it's really opening up the market as far as people that are advertising on podcasts.
But they're not like mainstream names.
You don't hear like Chevrolet advertising on podcasts or Samsung.
Imagine if Samsung did.
brendan schaub
Well, they should if you go back and listen to that shit on them.
Well, if they're smart, they would because there's no better platform for loyal listeners than a fucking podcast who's going to listen to Rogan Talk for whatever, six hours a week, nine hours a week.
They're dedicated, man.
There's nothing like it.
TV ain't shit.
A 30-second commercial ain't shit.
Do people want to fast-forward those?
eddie bravo
No one's watching TV. I have 500 fucking channels.
unidentified
I never watch TV. I watch TV. I watch TV. Sports.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
I watch Netflix.
I generally don't.
I'm always on my Apple TV. I'm always on Netflix.
Always on the Apple.
Always on Netflix.
The only time I watch regular TV is when The Ultimate Fighter comes on or something.
brendan schaub
When I fast forward through football.
Podcasts, if they were smart, man, with your audience or someone like Dan Carlin or NPR, that's where it's at these days for advertisers.
joe rogan
Well, they will more and more.
They will more and more as they grow.
Dan Carlin told me he's in a weird position because he gets a fuckload of downloads, but he does his podcast so infrequently that the best model for him, as far as cash, is actually to do it through subscriptions.
So when you order it from iTunes, especially the older episodes, it costs $1.99.
brendan schaub
That makes sense for him.
joe rogan
But let me tell you something, it is worth so much more than that.
Like his fucking podcasts, they're like a work of art.
Who?
Dan Carlin.
I'll send you a link to Hardcore History.
Wrath of the Khans, all about Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire.
unidentified
Dude!
brendan schaub
If he was our history teacher, we would all be fucking so into history.
joe rogan
Love history.
He was on last week on my podcast.
He's such a dynamic guy.
We were just talking about him.
brendan schaub
What's his name?
Dan Carlin.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
He's so awesome.
eddie bravo
You guys opened the show with Flat Earth stuff?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Who's that guy?
brendan schaub
Not Dan Carlin.
joe rogan
He's too smart for that shit.
What's that?
Michael Shermer.
Yeah, Michael Shermer.
brendan schaub
Dan Carlin would have slapped somebody if you brought that up, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not really into Flat Earth.
But he's got such a deep knowledge of so much fucking history, and he prepares for months to get these things ready.
brendan schaub
That's how it's different, right?
Like, a lot of podcasts...
Like you said on the show, you just turn on and you're having a conversation with your buddies.
Carlin has to fucking go balls deep into how he's going to articulate it, the plan, and there's start and finish, and it's history.
So it's not an opinion.
joe rogan
Well, we were talking about it, and I was like, you know, what we're doing is a podcast.
What you're doing is like an audio art piece.
It's like a work of art that's also historically accurate.
eddie bravo
It's like an audio book.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's way different.
You termed it an audio show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's way more of a...
brendan schaub
And now I use that.
eddie bravo
Where does he get his...
Obviously he knows everything about Genghis Khan.
Where does he get his information from?
joe rogan
He gives you a bunch of different references that he uses from various history books.
And he also shows the discrepancies in the opinions.
How one person believed it was this, but another person...
So he gives you a balanced perspective too.
But then relays the undeniable facts...
So he tells you when there's some vagueness in history, which I really appreciate, too, because he's not dogmatic.
He doesn't have, like, one idea in his head of how things absolutely went down.
And he's just so entertaining, man, because he has a background in talk radio.
So he's just so good at being, like, a professional broadcaster.
And then the guy's a maniac when it comes to history.
So he does this.
He did this series on World War I. I had no idea how fucking crazy World War I was.
No idea how nuts it is.
brendan schaub
I've heard that one.
joe rogan
Dude, they're all good.
eddie bravo
Did you know that Hitler was actually a soldier in World War I? Did we talk about that?
brendan schaub
And not only was he a soldier, but he was one of the most...
eddie bravo
He got like hardcore, Purple Heart type shit from Germany.
He did the hardcore shit.
joe rogan
Is that true?
Hold on real quick.
brendan schaub
He's dropping knowledge on Dan Carlin.
joe schilling
Where you at, Carlin?
joe rogan
You might have read that from one of those sites.
I mean, I've never heard that about Hitler.
brendan schaub
I've heard that.
eddie bravo
He's won serious awards.
He was a war hero.
That's why they got behind him, because he was so hardcore.
brendan schaub
Eddie's right on this, I feel like.
joe rogan
What is his...
What does it say here?
eddie bravo
Dude, he was doing...
joe rogan
Look at all the stuff.
unidentified
Iron Cross.
eddie bravo
The worst job, the most dangerous job was sending messages to the front line from headquarters to the front line.
That was the worst.
He volunteered for that.
He got hurt and he could have got discharged.
He was all fucked up.
He didn't want to get discharged.
He wanted to go back on the front line.
joe rogan
Super decorated, huh?
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's super crazy.
Super crazy.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
brendan schaub
Some would say gangster.
joe rogan
He didn't bring that up at all.
But that wasn't, you know, obviously if you're going to do a piece about World War I, Hitler doesn't play a big part unless you're going to continue with World War II and talk about his survival.
brendan schaub
It's a good transition.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
For World War II. If he does a World War II one, yeah, for sure.
I did not know that.
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
eddie bravo
There's a lot of shit about World War II that, fuck, man, that I didn't know.
It's fascinating shit how World War II connects to JFK, how that all comes together.
Fuck, it's gnarly shit.
It's way better than fucking Game of Thrones.
Way better, because it's real, because it actually really happened.
To find out exactly, because what you get in high schools, you get...
Basic Jack and Jill versions of what the fuck happened.
You don't get down.
Oh, this guy was shot and then the world went to war.
Fernadan, whatever, and Hungary.
There's so much crazy shit involved.
It really is like some kind of miniseries.
You want to get into World War II and JFK? A lot of movies on World War II. That's an eight-season miniseries.
It's so complex.
There's so many players.
unidentified
Jeez.
brendan schaub
Bro, if Callan was here right now, he would drop some knowledge on us about it that he remembers.
joe rogan
Does he remember a lot about World War II? Is he a World War II buff?
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
He loves history, though.
So he'll drop it even if he doesn't know.
That's what we do.
Just drop things.
joe rogan
There's a moment in history where you go back and look at it and things will never be the same.
Now, Arthur Wright once wrote...
brendan schaub
It's the author and I don't know.
It does not matter.
eddie bravo
Time had Adolf Hitler as man of the year one year.
brendan schaub
I did know that.
unidentified
Did you know that?
joe rogan
Seems like a mistake.
brendan schaub
They also had Key and Peele.
eddie bravo
Isn't that the weirdest shit ever?
Yes!
joe rogan
Wait a minute, what?
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
He was man of the year for Time Magazine.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not man of the year.
brendan schaub
Nah, still dope though.
eddie bravo
Before they turned, before everything went wrong.
But at first, United States was totally into Adolf Hitler.
They were into him.
brendan schaub
Eddie is dropping some serious world war 2 knowledge on your ass.
joe rogan
Now, was Hitler or was Hitler not a vegetarian?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I'd go with no.
joe rogan
I think that was a rumor, that Hitler was a vegetarian.
brendan schaub
He also did a shitload of drugs, correct?
joe rogan
Might have been...
unidentified
I think he was on meth, right?
brendan schaub
I heard meth.
eddie bravo
You know, he was an architect in all the major buildings and all the...
In Germany, he designed them.
He was into designing not only the buildings, but you know those giant Nazi parades with all the giant crazy shit.
He choreographed and designed all that shit.
unidentified
There's a documentary called The Architect of Doom.
eddie bravo
It's about Adolf Hitler.
That's why he started hating the Jews, because he was trying to get into this art academy that was run by Jews, and they denied him.
brendan schaub
Bro, do a World War II podcast!
There you go.
eddie bravo
Dude, I'm a white belt with that shit.
Eddie in World War II. You guys just haven't even walked into the gym, that's all.
joe rogan
I'm a white belt.
It says that prior to 1937 he ate meat.
And then after 37 on, towards the end of his life, he started becoming vegetarian.
eddie bravo
That's why he became evil.
brendan schaub
He got crazy.
joe rogan
Apparently he had chronic flatulence.
That's another thing I heard.
brendan schaub
He just farted nuts up.
eddie bravo
Dude, they tried to smear him, yes, and he sucked boys' dicks too.
He always farted.
joe schilling
Terrible, terrible man.
brendan schaub
Vegan farting on meth.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine that and bring that up?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How many leaders had fart problems?
They probably, like, 80% of leaders probably had fart problems.
They're drinking scotch all fucking night.
joe rogan
Well, the meth thing is crazy because apparently, like, a lot of world leaders were on speed back then, right?
Like, that was a big issue.
Now, one of the things about Hillary Clinton that popped up was that she was on, I think it was Pro Vigil or New Vigil.
eddie bravo
Pro Vigil.
joe rogan
Pro Vigil is like that stimulant that fighter pilots use to stay awake.
It keeps you on point.
It's illegal in the Olympics now because it's some sort of a performance enhancer.
eddie bravo
So she's supposedly on that show?
joe rogan
Well, she's on that, right?
joe schilling
It's supposed to be like the limitless pill.
eddie bravo
Who said that?
How would they find that out?
joe rogan
This is why I'm bringing this up.
This lady was telling me that her friend's husband is on Adderall.
She was going off about Adderall.
She's like, my friend's husband's on Adderall.
He takes it every day.
eddie bravo
It takes every day.
joe rogan
It takes an Adderall.
Like he says he needs it to keep up the pace of the day.
Like that is meth.
Yes.
Like they've proven that it's like the same as meth.
It's like you're taking a controlled dose of meth every day.
How many people are out there just taking meth?
eddie bravo
You watch Breaking Bad?
A lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's meth meth.
How many people are out there taking Adderall?
That's meth meth.
Jamie, pull up how many people are on Adderall.
Say, how many prescriptions of Adderall per year?
brendan schaub
That fighter pilot drug's called what?
joe rogan
Let's take a guess real quick.
Let's take a guess.
brendan schaub
On Adderall?
joe rogan
Yeah, how many people are on Adderall?
How many prescriptions?
Because that's all you really know, how many prescriptions are written.
I don't know what that means as far as people.
But I think...
brendan schaub
10%?
joe rogan
How many million?
Give me a million.
How many prescriptions?
brendan schaub
300 million.
unidentified
Dude, I think there's 300 million people on the stage.
eddie bravo
It's 3 million.
3 million.
joe rogan
3 million people on Adderall?
eddie bravo
Or 1.7.
joe rogan
I'm going to go 6 million.
6 million people on Adderall.
brendan schaub
There's way more than 6 million.
joe rogan
Well, let's find out.
Jamie, how many prescriptions in 2015 for Adderall?
jamie vernon
I'm looking right now.
eddie bravo
Dude, think about that.
The prescription drugs, how legal they are, how destructive they are, how dangerous they are, and they're totally legal.
And everyone just sits there and is like, oh, everything's fine.
I just believe everything they fucking tell me.
joe rogan
Did you see Arizona?
eddie bravo
That's the craziest shit ever!
Right there!
joe rogan
Do you see in Arizona they're trying to legalize weed and the number one funder to go against the legalization of weed is from the company that makes that fucking crazy pain drug that's many times stronger than OxyContin, Fentanyl or something like that.
unidentified
The shit that they think killed Prince.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
eddie bravo
The shit that killed Prince, that's something that Joey would say.
joe rogan
But it is the shit that killed Prince.
They said it was $500,000 this company donated in Arizona to try to stop this campaign to legalize weed.
eddie bravo
That should be a fucking felony.
Anything that can be considered a crime on humanity, if you can prove that, that should be a fucking felony.
You can't just do that shit.
That's a crime.
People are fucking dying and getting crazy off these prescription drugs, and no one says shit.
Look at tobacco.
Nobody says shit.
Look at alcohol.
No one says shit.
Thank God.
But, damn...
joe rogan
And with that note, we've got to get out of here.
I've got to do a spot at the store, so I've got to wrap this bitch up and bring it home.
But fun times, boys.
unidentified
Fun times.
joe rogan
As always.
brendan schaub
Finding the Kid Live, San Jose Thursday, and then Brea and Oxnard in October, son.
joe rogan
Where's the schedule?
brendan schaub
TFATK.com.
joe rogan
TFATK.com.
Man, I really think you should come up with a better name.
jamie vernon
Look at that.
brendan schaub
16 mil, son.
eddie bravo
I'll be in 10th Planet, Decatur, Alabama this Saturday.
10th Planet, Decatur, Alabama this Saturday.
joe rogan
We found, Jamie found something, 16 million prescriptions.
That was in 1999. In 99. Okay, it's way more.
joe schilling
Way more now.
joe rogan
Way more now.
eddie bravo
And that's fine.
brendan schaub
Three million, I have to laugh at that, gentlemen.
joe rogan
But I was, how many people are using those 16 million prescriptions?
Like, how many prescriptions?
Like, how long does a prescription last?
Do you get one every three months?
You know, does that mean that a person gets four prescriptions a year, so you divide that by four?
brendan schaub
No, it's...
Is that how it goes?
I think you get it every 30 days.
jamie vernon
You don't do it every day either.
brendan schaub
It's every 30 days, right?
jamie vernon
You're not supposed to take it when you need them, I think, when you get prescribed.
joe rogan
Hold on, son.
Just stop the nonsense.
If you're hooked on Adderall, you're taking that shit every day.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but the doctor's not giving them to you to use it every day.
joe rogan
Sure they are.
joe schilling
Yeah, no, I was on Adderall when I was in high school.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, you get it for every day.
joe schilling
It's like Ritalin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I know a guy who has an Adderall patch.
He had a patch.
joe schilling
Adderall patch?
joe rogan
No, it was a Ritalin patch.
It was a Ritalin patch that they gave him.
Prozac patch?
brendan schaub
He's on another level.
joe rogan
No, it was a patch.
It was a patch.
They gave him a patch.
It was some sort of either Prozac or Ritalin.
But he was on Adderall as well.
He tried a bunch of different things.
But he was on Adderall.
brendan schaub
Was he cool?
joe rogan
Every day.
Very cool.
Very cool.
But he was struggling with fatigue issues.
He's not a vibrant guy.
eddie bravo
Taking a lot of naps during the day?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't think he did.
He hustles.
He works.
But I think he was having some problems.
brendan schaub
Successful dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Real successful dude.
brendan schaub
Good dad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Great guy.
unidentified
Sweet kisser.
joe rogan
He drives a Prius.
No, he doesn't.
It's a Tesla.
But he was on it every day, Jamie.
They do prescribe it for some people every day.
jamie vernon
Okay.
I wasn't saying that they don't prescribe.
I thought they didn't prescribe it every day.
joe rogan
I think it's a refill every 30. No, I think there's a lot of people that take it every day.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's why I'm saying a refill every 30. Because they're not going to give you fucking 120 pills.
joe rogan
No, I think they do.
I think they do, and I think if you take one a day, like, that's how they...
I think they can do it.
I don't think it's thought of as being, like, the danger that it is.
brendan schaub
Fucking idiots.
joe rogan
Or at least most people, like you or I, they think it's going to help you, but kids are snorting that shit and taking classes.
brendan schaub
For reals.
joe rogan
Like, for tests.
jamie vernon
I know people abuse it.
I wasn't saying that.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Have you ever taken it?
I take it?
joe rogan
No, I've never taken it.
brendan schaub
I get nothing done.
I will chat your fucking air off.
Nothing done.
Real chatty Cathy on that shit.
I did it once in college.
I mean, I got nothing done.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Someone coming in like, what are you doing?
Hey, where are you going?
Just fucking going off, man.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Bad idea.
joe rogan
Well, that's it.
Joe Schilling, JoeSchilling187 on Twitter.
Joe underscore Schilling on Instagram, correct?
joe schilling
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm on the ball.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
I'm on the ball.
joe schilling
He's on the ball.
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub, don't call him Brandon.
I'm sorry about that, by the way.
eddie bravo
I'm sorry about that.
I know I fuck up, but...
joe rogan
That's a hard one.
We hope everybody in New York's okay, Brian Cowell's okay, and appreciate the fuck out of you people.
Next one we can do with these.
We'll do it.
Is there one next week?
Is there one next week?
When's the cyborg fight?
Is that the cyborg fight?
brendan schaub
Is cyborg wearing a bitch next week?
We gotta do one for that.
joe schilling
Who won the Canelo fight?
joe rogan
Did we miss that?
Spoiler alert!
eddie bravo
Canelo fight tonight?
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