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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 27, 2016
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brendan schaub
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eddie bravo
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
Woo-wee!
Hey, everybody.
unidentified
It's Fight Companion.
joe rogan
If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, it's supposed to be us watching the fights.
We're definitely going to watch the fights because Jim Miller is right about to fight Joe Lozon.
Holla!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
But we're also intoxicated.
And we will be talking shit about completely unrelated subjects.
So don't totally expect- People get mad.
Where's the fight breakdown, bro?
Where's the analysis?
Doesn't always happen, folks.
eddie bravo
Disclaimer, bitch.
Disclaimer.
joe rogan
We don't have a producer.
This is as close.
I mean, we have Jamie, but we don't have an executive that's telling us how the show goes, so we just talk.
But the fight is going to be awesome, for sure.
It's a rematch.
Remember that fight, the first fight?
eddie bravo
I don't remember any fights.
joe rogan
Crazy bloodbath, dude.
Really close fight.
It was a war.
eddie bravo
What happened?
joe rogan
I believe Miller won a decision.
Jamie, see if I'm correct.
eddie bravo
Damn, you don't even remember.
If you don't remember, how am I supposed to remember?
joe rogan
It was a super, super close fight.
I'm pretty sure that Miller won a decision.
But I remember it being really tightly matched.
If you look at these guys skill-wise, you think about them like both guys.
At this point in their career, super consummate pros.
They're real similar in that regard.
Almost mirror images in the fact that these both guys are so competent.
And they have some amazing victories, like Miller when he tapped out Oliveira.
Lozon just knocked out Diego Sanchez.
I mean, come on.
That was probably one of his best victories ever.
How about when he was 19, I think it was, when he knocked out Jens Pulver?
Remember that shit?
Dude, Lozon's a beast.
Look at this shit!
eddie bravo
He's got a leg lock!
Oh shit!
Oh shit, good defense.
Good defense right there.
joe rogan
Both guys are super legit on the ground.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
jamie vernon
Miller won the first one in the decision.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
My memory's not that bad.
But I remember it being a fucking war, right?
Was this split decision, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Unanimous.
joe rogan
Unanimous decision.
eddie bravo
These are the kind of fighters that fight to their full potential.
brendan schaub
They have so much confidence.
eddie bravo
They've done it so much, so much experience that you could trust them.
No matter what crowd you put them in front of, no matter who you put in front of them, they're gonna perform like they do at the gym at their best.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a great way of describing it.
eddie bravo
Seasoned as fuck!
They're like that Chipotle fried chicken and shit.
joe rogan
3 minutes and 50 seconds, 48, 47, 46, 45, if you want to sync up in the first round.
Yeah, this whole card is fucking bang up, man.
I was real excited about this card.
eddie bravo
They're both really good strikers.
They're both really good wrestlers.
They're both really good at jiu-jitsu.
I mean, Jim Miller is a wrestler who's legit black belt.
brendan schaub
That guy's really good off his back.
joe rogan
Remember we tapped Fabrizio Kamois?
Tapped him in an arm bar from the guard.
brendan schaub
I don't remember.
joe rogan
I was like, holy shit.
It was legit as fuck, dude.
His jiu-jitsu is no joke.
eddie bravo
And Lozon as well.
Lozon's MMA jiu-jitsu is top shelf.
joe rogan
Nasty.
eddie bravo
He'll get you in transitions.
He's a finisher.
He put you in a triangle.
It's probably 98% rap city, you know?
joe rogan
You know what I like about Lozon too?
It's like he goes from zero to a hundred miles an hour like instantly.
eddie bravo
He hits hard as fuck.
He's game.
He's a true savage.
You'd put him in there in the coliseum against lions and shit.
He'd be right there, dude.
brendan schaub
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
And you know what's interesting?
Super nice, super smart guy.
When you talk to him, he's like a tech wizard.
You know, you talk to him about video games and he used to work on computers.
And when he dives on shit, man, he completely, fully commits on things.
eddie bravo
This is some serious shit right here.
joe rogan
This matchup right here.
eddie bravo
It's like Pepino Cueves versus Tommy Hearns or some shit.
brendan schaub
This is classic shit right here going on.
joe rogan
We're watching some classic MMA guys.
You look at top-level professionals.
These guys are in, for sure, the top...
Of their class, you know, I would put either one of these guys up against a lot of the 155-pounders in the, you know, the top eight, top nine, you know?
eddie bravo
Dude, they could throw down with anybody.
They could go right there with Conor McGregor.
They could throw down.
Can you imagine Joe Lozon and Conor McGregor?
brendan schaub
That would be amazing.
joe rogan
Conor is so goddamn fast.
eddie bravo
And he hits so goddamn hard.
Holy shit!
joe rogan
It's not just hard, man.
It's the accuracy is a big part of it.
I mean, it's definitely hard.
He hits hard as fuck.
But it's the speed and the accuracy combined.
You know what?
People give him a hard time about doing that Ido Portal movement shit.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Because his movement is outstanding.
Like, his ability to move his body?
eddie bravo
I think people joke about that.
They know it's legit, but it's just the way Nate Diaz called the touch butt.
You know what I mean?
I think people know it's legit.
It is.
Movement is great.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I would like to know how much of an effect it really has had.
brendan schaub
It's basically like Kata.
joe rogan
But even more crazy.
Oh, look at this fight, dude.
These guys are going after it.
Good body shots.
Yeah, man, I just, I was so impressed with the way, first of all, it's timing on that left leg kick.
brendan schaub
There it is, touch butt.
joe rogan
Touch butt?
unidentified
Touch butt!
eddie bravo
Have you seen that parody of Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor?
He uses a Nate Diaz-type Snapchat filter.
On my Instagram, there's a video of it.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's fucking hysterical.
eddie bravo
It's a parody of Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz getting intimate.
Getting, like, slightly gay.
Have you seen this?
joe rogan
No, I have not seen that.
eddie bravo
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
I have my limits.
eddie bravo
It's so fucking good.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
eddie bravo
The guy who does Nate Diaz is perfect.
That could be a cartoon, dude.
Just Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor, like the odd couple, just hanging out.
That'll be an easy hit.
brendan schaub
Easy sensation.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, the pace in which those guys fought that five-round fight.
eddie bravo
I don't think I've ever screamed as much during that fight.
brendan schaub
I was actually screaming, going, like, all through the fight.
eddie bravo
It was so intense.
joe rogan
That was a fight where I felt like, man, I would have rather done a fight companion for this than call it.
Because I wanted to swear a bunch of times.
eddie bravo
I don't think I've ever got as excited for any fight ever.
brendan schaub
Seriously.
eddie bravo
Maybe the only other one was Noguera Bob Sapp.
That's the only other one.
joe rogan
God damn, that's crazy.
eddie bravo
That was such an amazing fight.
Holy shit.
Connor McFuckin' Gregor, man.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
And Nate Diaz, man.
eddie bravo
They're both awesome.
brendan schaub
They're both awesome.
joe rogan
That was a great fight.
I mean, honestly, I haven't gone back and watched it again and tried to score it.
And I stopped a long time ago trying to score fights while I'm watching him.
I don't know what the fuck is happening.
eddie bravo
I mean, the fact that he went five rounds and Nate Diaz, he kept up with them.
I thought for sure if he went past three, Nate was just going to completely dominate.
And he fucking hung in there, man.
brendan schaub
Survived that fourth round.
joe rogan
It seemed like he kind of caught a second wind somewhere around the fourth round.
And he started punching looser and more relaxed.
Sort of fell into a different pace.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That fight proved that Conor has legit heart.
He was in trouble there a couple rounds and Nate was messing him up.
And had him against the fucking cage.
It looked like he was slowing down.
And he fucking regrouped.
He got a second wind or whatever you want to call it.
brendan schaub
He came back and fuck.
joe rogan
It was an important fight to watch.
Because that was a guy that had just decided that he was not going to be defined by this one fight.
And that it was not going to be defined by his past result.
And that he's better than that.
And he's going to come and he's going to show everybody.
And dude, if he could keep that pace up...
That he fought in that first round.
You know, it's like he's so explosive.
Dominick Cruz was talking about it.
It really got me thinking, man.
He said, I don't know if you could fight in a style like Conor does for five rounds.
And I thought about it.
I was like, wow, man.
Dominic Cruz, first of all, would know, right?
If anybody's going to know, Dominic is kind of super high fight IQ. So I considered it out of respect.
And then I thought about it.
I was like, well, there's only one way to move that fast.
When Connor closes the gap and blasts Nate with those left hands, the fucking speed and explosiveness of it, that's a very tense movement.
Like, that takes a lot of energy to do.
I think it takes way more energy than what Nate does.
Because what Nate and Nick do...
They overwhelm you with volume and their overwhelming ability to maintain a certain level.
Like, a certain level of activity.
Like, especially Nick.
He's the master at it.
Like, maintaining a level of activity that you can't keep up with.
eddie bravo
And then turn it on once they smell blood.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Like, the Frank Shamrock fight, great example of that.
The Paul Daly fight is a great example of that.
That was a war...
eddie bravo
Imagine fighting a guy that that's their style.
They wear you down, and as soon as they smell blood, that's when they turn it on.
You don't want a guy like that.
brendan schaub
You want a guy that...
joe rogan
And he's talking shit the whole time he's punching you.
The whole time he's punching you, he's talking shit.
You never get to relax.
He's like, what, bitch?
What, bitch?
And he's hitting you.
I think there was a referee.
I'm trying to remember who was fighting, but there was a referee once where two guys were fighting.
I want to say it's Nick Diaz, but it might not have been, where the referee was telling him to stop talking.
And I was like, don't tell him to stop talking.
Why would you tell him to stop talking?
As if it's somehow or another, it's worse to beat someone's ass and talk shit than it is to just beat their ass.
That's so bizarre.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Why can't you talk shit?
eddie bravo
And Nate Diaz is, he's beyond a rock star.
I mean, he's as famous as a rock star.
brendan schaub
I mean, right now, dude on Instagram, he's already over a million followers.
I mean, he is, he's got that attitude that there'll never be another Nate Diaz.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Can you imagine a guy trying to emulate his personality?
eddie bravo
There'll never be anybody like Nate.
And the one thing that impressed me a lot about Nate Diaz is his ability to trash talk in the media back.
brendan schaub
I mean, that touch butt stuff.
eddie bravo
I mean, shit.
Some people thought he was going to get trounced.
And he got real, real quick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, he's good at that.
First of all, he doesn't get rattled.
And that was a big problem in the first fight, I think, too, with Conor, that he had to overcome.
This is the first guy that not only did he not get rattled, he got back at him.
And he made him flinch at the weigh-ins.
I think that was big.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
A bunch of people talked about that.
Red Band was one of the first people that pointed it out to me.
He sent me a thing.
He goes, dude, look, he flinched.
And I went, oh, shit, he flinched.
That seems so stupid.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems so fourth grade.
But there might be something to it, man.
brendan schaub
Was that the greatest UFC fight ever?
joe rogan
God damn it, man.
It's so hard to tell.
There's so many good ones these days.
But it was one of the all-time greats.
brendan schaub
The personality clashes, plus the fact that Conor's considered, already he's considered one of the greatest.
eddie bravo
Some people might say he's the greatest of all time.
Some people might say that just based on what they've seen.
joe rogan
It is amazing.
But then there's Carlos Condit, Robbie Lawler.
brendan schaub
And then Nate Diaz as well.
Nate Diaz, the guy that people consider the new unstoppable force, Nate Diaz stopped him.
eddie bravo
He choked him out.
Now, second fight, it could have went either way.
I had Nate Diaz winning, but when looking back at it again, I'm like, shit, that second round, that's a hard one to score.
I see how it could have gone either way.
I really do.
joe rogan
It's almost a shame in a fight that's that close.
I would like to see what the results are.
I think the majority of people thought that Conor won, and this is what I think you have to consider, those knockdowns, and that Conor was staggering him with those straight lefts and cracking him with those leg kicks.
You look at decisive moments in the fight, I feel like those decisive moments of super crisp punching, where he knocks him down, where he's repeatedly landing that leg kick, that's kind of worth a lot.
Like, he was lighting him up.
eddie bravo
Early in that first round, particularly.
But if it meant that much, you could look at it another way.
If it meant that much, maybe it didn't mean that much, because if it did, how was he on his back when the fight ended and Nate Diaz is on top, rounding and pounding, like, if all that meant so much?
brendan schaub
Maybe it didn't mean that much, after all.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
That's just another way of looking at it.
Because in Pride, everybody knows that they judge fights based on how the fight looks at the end.
eddie bravo
So how would the Japanese look at that?
joe rogan
Well, that moment where Nate's on top is huge.
When he finally takes him down, that's huge.
brendan schaub
I thought that cinched it.
eddie bravo
That's what I thought.
brendan schaub
I thought, okay, it's over.
eddie bravo
He got this round, boom.
joe rogan
That's pretty huge because also it's at the end of the fight, which I agree with you.
I think...
It should matter more, like the Japanese had it for where the last round was the most important, right?
They judged the fight as a whole.
eddie bravo
How does it look at the end?
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Who's getting their ass beat at the end?
joe rogan
Which is a real point, right?
Because the whole idea about what a fight's supposed to be, it's supposed to be like high-level problem-solving, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's some guys that present real scary problems, and you've got to figure those problems out, and whoever's winning towards the end Is the guy that really figured the problem out the best.
Because the guy who's on the ground, you shouldn't really be thinking in a fight, I'm already ahead, I'm just going to let this guy get on top of me.
Nobody's thinking that, right?
So if the guy does take you down late in the fight, it's because he's starting to overwhelm you.
That should be worth a lot.
It should be worth a lot.
I don't know how much, though.
I mean, how much should a knockdown like the ones that Conor landed?
This is a slobber knocker.
Oh my God, these guys are going after it.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Jim Miller throwing some bombs.
Holy shit.
This is outstanding.
Oh, straight right by Lozon.
Lozon!
Oh my God.
eddie bravo
Lozon got that good jab.
joe rogan
He's got real good boxing, man.
Very good fundamentals.
And heart.
Both of these guys got some heart.
It's interesting, man, deciding how fights should be scored because I don't think they've got it down yet.
I think it still needs work as a system because I think we had a bad head start in MMA starting off with a 10-point must system.
I just don't think it's adequate for all the aspects of MMA. Boxing is only judging one dimension.
They're only judging one style of striking.
It's just with the hands.
That's it.
There's a clear rule set.
You could teach somebody it.
I don't think a lot of people totally understand who's even winning fights sometimes.
You know, I don't think people understand who's in a bad position and who's totally safe.
I just think there has to be a level of competency in martial arts themselves to truly grasp it at the highest level.
That's why I think like former fighters would be like Ricardo Almeida I know is doing it in New Jersey which is awesome and he's a brilliant guy and was a great fighter too.
And a black belt in jiu-jitsu completely understands the ground like that's the kind of guy you want being a judge like that's perfect.
You want a guy who really understands the sport, and we have to make some sort of consensus as to what's most important.
Like, if you're gonna judge the fight the way we're doing it right now, round by round, and a guy could just be overwhelming the guy towards the end of the fight, and it looks like he's winning, and he loses a decision.
Which, I think we all agree, it just doesn't make any sense.
brendan schaub
See right here, here's a good example.
eddie bravo
The first half of this round, Jim Miller's all over Joe Lozon landing the bigger shots, but now the round's ending with Joe Lozon getting the takedown and...
joe rogan
Passing over his half guard right now.
brendan schaub
Maybe not doing the same kind of damage that Jim Miller was doing on him on their feet.
eddie bravo
So if the round ends here, you know, some people would give it to Jim, some people would give it to Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, this is an awesome round because there's still two minutes to go.
unidentified
Unless it's clearly defined.
eddie bravo
Unless it's in, like, a rule.
If, in that situation, like, they have those situations written out.
All the situations.
How do you score in this situation?
You know, uh...
brendan schaub
But then, you know, you basically take the judging out of it, and then it's more like, uh...
eddie bravo
I mean, a judging system, is it supposed to be an exact science?
Do you want...
I mean...
joe rogan
It's weird, man, because you and I might disagree.
Oh, look at that elbow.
I mean, we would...
It's very possible that we might disagree about certain aspects of scoring.
eddie bravo
Or maybe it's good that you can't trust the judges.
brendan schaub
Then that forces the fighters to not leave it in the hands of the judges, like everyone else says.
joe rogan
Man, I don't know.
It just doesn't make any sense.
There's so many MMA fans out there that would make amazing judges.
How many people do you think that posts on the underground would be incredible judges?
So many, man.
There's so many experts.
Like, think of these guys that are doing these YouTube clips now, you know, where they're breaking down fights and talking about technique.
Have you ever seen a lot of those, like Lawrence Kenshin?
Have you ever seen his stuff?
eddie bravo
No, man.
joe rogan
He does a lot of stuff on Muay Thai and kickboxing and stuff, and man, he knows his shit.
Beautiful videos.
He's got them all over YouTube.
And he breaks down all these different aspects of striking and shows what great fighters.
Look at this beautiful fucking fight, man.
Joe Lozon staying on top.
Where he shows where they aired and where guys capitalized on certain things and certain traits that guys had.
He had this breakdown about custom motto and Mike Tyson and his footwork and a bunch of stuff on Muay Thai.
And maybe it's Jack Slack that had the custom motto one.
brendan schaub
There's a bunch of guys.
He mounted him.
eddie bravo
He mounted him.
Oh my god, he's going for the arm bar.
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Joe Lowe's on.
brendan schaub
Oh fuck.
eddie bravo
What a great ending.
brendan schaub
Dude, he went right for that arm.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So that was the end of the round.
brendan schaub
That's the end of the fight.
joe rogan
I know, but that was a nice arm bar.
Shit.
I thought for a second he tapped.
eddie bravo
No, I escaped.
joe rogan
What a fight.
eddie bravo
Unless I didn't hear the bell.
joe rogan
No, I think you're right.
I'm pretty sure.
Because they're not showing the...
They would be showing the finish if that...
What's that?
That was the end of the round.
God damn.
unidentified
Oof!
joe rogan
Powerful Joe Lozon with the takedown.
Yeah, takedowns are huge, man.
Guys don't want to be taken down.
It's like, how much of a big deal is it?
It's got to be worth a lot, man.
Because someone's doing something to you that you don't want them to do, and it's hard to do it.
It's got to be worth a lot.
And I know a lot of people say, yeah, but, you know, sometimes if a guy takes you down and you get right back up, it's no big deal.
unidentified
It's still kind of a big deal.
joe rogan
It's still kind of a big deal.
That guy took you down.
You didn't want him to take you down, and he took you down.
How long did he hold you there?
That's got to be worth something.
It's just the question is, but what's worth more, control or damage?
That's the big question, right?
How do you define?
I don't think you can.
I mean, I don't think everybody's gonna agree.
Strikers gonna think that striking is more important.
eddie bravo
I think getting hit is worse than being controlled.
If it comes down between dude took him down and held him but didn't do any damage, but earlier in the round he got hit with like three good shots that kind of stunned him and rocked him, you go with the guy that landed the punches.
joe rogan
Right.
You gotta have damage, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Damage is huge.
brendan schaub
Because if you get rocked, that means you almost lost the fight right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If you get taken down and end up in some dude's full guard or even side control, it doesn't mean the fight was almost over.
I mean, if you get all the fights that had side control in them or full guard in them and factor in how many times the fight ended from that position, it's super low.
brendan schaub
.000002%.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think there should be a possibility of having longer rounds.
I think it would be interesting.
I've always wondered, like, when you're watching a five-minute round, and a guy takes a guy down at, like, three minutes and fifty seconds, and then for the next, you know, minute is just completely dominating on the ground.
And, uh...
And you want to see where this plays out, and then the bell rings.
One of the interesting things about Pride is that you would see this arc in those 10-minute rounds.
And I know as far as athletes' performance, it's not the best thing because it's too hard to do.
Chael Sonnen thinks five minutes is too hard, and he might be right.
And now that everyone is all USAD-ed, they're forced to do this all completely on the natural.
And it's got to be hard to fight for five minutes, but...
brendan schaub
You've got to have at least five rounds.
Five minutes, I'm sorry.
Five minutes.
Anything shorter than five minutes is ridiculous.
joe rogan
It seems ridiculous for a grappler, for sure.
eddie bravo
I think organizations like the UFC or Bellator should have the option to do fights where we're going to do special fights.
brendan schaub
It's going to be one 10-minute round or something like that.
Or one five-minute round and then a 10-minute round or a 10-minute and then a five-minute like Pride used to do.
eddie bravo
Why the fuck not?
There's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
Oh, Jim Miller wins.
joe rogan
Split decision.
Slobber knocker.
It's a perfect example, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
The fight ended with him on his back, mounted.
brendan schaub
He escaped that arm bar right at the buzzer, and he wins.
But, based on the point system, he must have won the first and second round.
joe rogan
I just, yeah, I do not think the point system is diverse enough.
I don't think you can have a 10%, like the margin is always going to be in these 10% bumps.
You know what I'm saying?
Like 10.9, 10.8, 10.7.
That seems crazy to me.
Why these big jumps?
Why these big chunks?
Why is one 10-9 round where a guy totally kicks a guy's ass, and it's a 10-9 round, and another one a 10-9 round where they're just barely squeaking by each other?
You can't figure out who won.
You have no idea who won.
How do you score that round?
And you look at the numbers, like equal number of punches and kicks landed, equal number of takedowns attempted and defended.
What the fuck do you do with that?
You just pick a guy.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's what a lot of guys do, right?
That shouldn't be a 10% thing.
brendan schaub
I didn't do that, though.
eddie bravo
I didn't do that.
joe rogan
No, you didn't?
eddie bravo
No.
If the first round was too close to call, I'm like, I'm not going to call that one right now, because if the second one's too close to call, I'm going to give them a round each, and then we're going to decide it in the third.
joe rogan
A lot of people don't know that you used to do it for the UFC, because it was so long ago.
A lot of people listen to this.
eddie bravo
But not officially.
It was just the way I scored it in my...
joe rogan
Right.
You weren't a judge for the UFC, but what you would do was like Harold Letterman on HBO, which I always loved.
I loved that aspect.
When Harold Letterman would come on, I'll tell you how I see it, Jim!
And he would go over the score.
Do you remember that guy?
brendan schaub
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he's the best.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
My spot was based, like, rip that off.
joe rogan
Yes, I know.
Took that shit.
But I like that.
I think MMA could benefit from something like that.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Gotta get a real fighter in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I never fought in UFC. I never fought MMA, so I was the wrong guy.
joe rogan
You weren't the wrong guy, because you know a lot about fighting, and you had a really good system.
Your system is probably one of the best systems, plus if you also analyze the other aspects of the fight.
If you look at your system, you would have takedowns in one column, and then you would have submissions and kicks and punches, and you would just make marks for each guy whenever you did it.
You'd look at it all, think about it in your head, and then decide what was important.
But I think that is the big catalyst.
You know those subjective calls you have?
But towards the end of the round, even though he only landed four or five punches, he had his opponent really badly hurt, so I'm going to give him the round.
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
Yeah, the only reason I did that is because I had to go on air, and I had to know what the fuck I'm talking about.
brendan schaub
And when you're watching a fight, you forget.
eddie bravo
So I would write anything significant, I would write down, and I'd have the shorthand for, like, left hook.
And then so if I went on air, I could look down at that and go, well, early in the round, he had a takedown, but he did get knocked down, and he landed a couple leg kicks, and I'm going to give the round to boom.
brendan schaub
You know, that way I sounded like I actually remembered what I was watching.
But...
I was cheating.
eddie bravo
But it would make scoring easier when I could go back in the round and go, oh shit, okay, let me give it to this dude.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
It's easier to go back and review the round instead of going on pure memory.
brendan schaub
Because sometimes you forget.
It's a five minute round.
eddie bravo
Something happens in the first 45 seconds.
And then a bunch of other shit happens in the middle.
Now there's 15 seconds left.
Some shit's going down.
brendan schaub
You might have forgotten that shit in the beginning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what I think too?
When you're really involved in a fight...
You're in the moment in a lot of ways.
You're watching it.
You're like, what's gonna happen?
What's gonna happen?
You're locked in the moment.
And I don't know about you, but when I'm in that spot, I don't have the best memory.
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
My memory sucks.
The more I'm enjoying a fight, I'll remember it after the fight, but while it's going on, I'm thinking about what's happening only.
And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that did happen.
Oh, that's right.
He took him down.
Oh, the choke.
How did I forget the choke?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I'm thinking, damn, I don't remember any of this shit.
joe rogan
Well, you get so locked up in them over a course of five rounds.
I know that Robbie Lawler versus Carlos Kondo is one of my favorite fights ever, but I couldn't tell you what happened.
eddie bravo
God damn it.
Condit Maya is right now.
unidentified
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
That's going to be crazy.
joe rogan
I love this fight.
eddie bravo
You know, there is hope that these conversations that we have on podcasts about the scoring system, it should be this or it should be that.
It is nice to know.
brendan schaub
I thought, to tell you the truth, there was a couple times we got into it where I'm like, why the fuck are we talking about this shit?
This shit's never going to change.
It's like, forget it.
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
Let's just drop it.
But there is hope, because there have been changes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they made the new changes to the touching on the ground, right?
brendan schaub
Yes, explain.
eddie bravo
I think you told me, so can you refresh my memory?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is, I don't want to screw this up, and I'm not exactly sure when it goes into play.
I probably should know this.
jamie vernon
First of the year.
joe rogan
First of the year, yeah.
eddie bravo
Damn, look at Jamie.
joe rogan
Powerful Jamie.
eddie bravo
Are you way into, were you into UFC big time when you first started working with Joe?
brendan schaub
Not really?
unidentified
Someone had me look this up during the fights last weekend, so I just So you were just a Joe Rogan fan, but you were like, when he would talk about MMA, you'd be like, ugh, right?
brendan schaub
You'd turn it off and shit?
jamie vernon
It still doesn't stick very much.
For some reason, I don't know why.
brendan schaub
But you do enjoy the shows now, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, 100%.
eddie bravo
Would you consider yourself a fan, like you go on MMA websites and shit?
jamie vernon
That's awesome.
I love watching the embedded stuff, like getting pumped up for fights.
eddie bravo
Oh, you're a fan then.
jamie vernon
That's pretty cool, watching that stuff.
joe rogan
Jamie's a fan of a lot of sports though, and a man only has so much fucking free time in the day.
When you talk to Jamie, he knows his shit.
He knows college basketball.
He's one of those motherfuckers.
He's one of them college football motherfuckers who knows the players.
unidentified
He smoked weed, right?
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
He watched them.
He just smoked weed.
eddie bravo
Alright, I'm just...
brendan schaub
I'm trying to...
eddie bravo
I'm just like, okay.
I always check with the...
brendan schaub
Sometimes...
Okay.
joe rogan
This girl's fighting now.
Paige Van Zandt and Beck Rawlings.
This is a good fight, man.
This is gonna be a crazy fight.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Beck Rawlings is badass, and so is Paige.
That Paige girl goes straight from Dancing with the Stars and is like, get me a fight.
She's 23 years old, dude.
Game as fuck.
Both of those girls.
This is gonna be an awesome fight, man.
This is a good one for Fox.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
I mean, it's always good to have...
Isn't it crazy that MMA is the sport where girls, women, found a fucking hole out of now?
They can just blossom and explode through the galaxy now?
They can't do that with women's basketball.
No one's watching that shit.
brendan schaub
Women's...
eddie bravo
Baseball, there is no women's baseball.
They got women's softball, and they show the college, but there's no future.
There's no money in any of that shit.
They'll show women's fucking volleyball, but there's no pro women's volleyball leagues.
brendan schaub
That's a good idea.
eddie bravo
You know, you're watching the Olympics, right?
You're watching the Olympics, and I'm like...
When they show men's volleyball, it's like for three minutes.
It's like, okay, what's the least amount of time we can get away with showing the men's volleyball so they can focus on the women?
The women volleyball players are superstars, but the men, they're like, okay, two minutes, okay.
No one's paying attention to the men's volleyball.
Nobody watches.
It's got the lowest ratings ever.
But for some reason, people are interested in women's volleyball.
How did beach volleyball become an Olympic sport?
Jiu-jitsu?
brendan schaub
Dude, they're in thongs.
eddie bravo
Have you seen what they're wearing?
joe rogan
It's fantastic.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Isn't it hilarious that we think, look, no, they have to be almost naked.
eddie bravo
Oh, it's volleyball.
Oh, it's volleyball.
joe rogan
There's only one way to play it.
eddie bravo
Volleyball is such a sophisticated sport.
Oh my God, I love it.
There's a lot to it, man.
joe rogan
First of all, you can't play it in shorts.
eddie bravo
It can't be done.
joe rogan
It can't be done.
You must wear a thong.
I gotta see your full ass.
eddie bravo
It's the best.
Trust me.
You'll get better vertical loops.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
The shorts.
Anything baggy's not good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They'll put sun lamps on you, bitch.
Take your clothes off.
It's not hot enough.
Can someone make a fire?
eddie bravo
I think volleyball is like the...
And then the gymnastics.
It's the most sexy sport ever.
I'm trying to find men's gymnastics.
It's on for three minutes.
They go to Bob Costas.
He gives you a quick review.
unidentified
And then they go to the girls for seven hours straight.
eddie bravo
They do the girls all day!
joe rogan
The guys, they want to see him do the rings or they want to see him break a leg.
eddie bravo
Yeah, real quick, just in and out.
We'll fit them in.
Do a little dead time.
Because they got it.
They can't make it that obvious.
Come on.
They can't just have all women's gymnastics and volleyball and soccer and all that shit.
They can't do that.
They got to throw guys in there.
joe rogan
Is women's volleyball like the most sexist sport ever?
Come on!
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it if they want to dress like that.
But the fact that they make them all dress like that?
eddie bravo
Is that a real picture?
joe rogan
That is fucking crazy.
It's not like to stay alive or something, you need to wear as little clothing as possible.
It doesn't make any sense why they're in their underwear.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
What Olympics are they going to be allowed to wear thongs?
Or is it written somewhere that they can't actually wear a thong?
Is that written somewhere?
joe rogan
Why do they have to dress?
unidentified
Look at that.
eddie bravo
That's ridiculous.
That was ridiculous.
jamie vernon
It's very hot on the beach.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
eddie bravo
Beach volleyball is an Olympic sport?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
It's very hot on the beach.
Yeah, dude, I go to the beach too.
I don't wear underwear like that.
I go to that same fucking beach.
I wear shorts.
eddie bravo
It's incredible.
jamie vernon
That's what Team Egypt was wearing.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Egypt's dressed like mummies.
brendan schaub
Dude, three people watch men's volleyball.
Come on, think about that.
Who's watching men's volleyball?
joe rogan
Why does Egypt have to wear so much clothes?
Is that a religious thing?
Yeah.
Wow.
eddie bravo
I would like to see that game.
Are there highlights of that one?
joe rogan
I want to see that.
I would think that there would be a benefit in wearing that as far as not getting your skin scratched up by the sand.
Does that make sense?
But that would make you hotter.
That's brutal, man.
Religions that make you wear certain clothes.
Like you're only allowed to wear certain clothes.
eddie bravo
How about if you're gay, we'll kill you, but if you cut your dick off, you can live.
brendan schaub
Because apparently it's okay.
It doesn't say that you can't be a transvestite or a transgender, but you can't be gay.
eddie bravo
So if you're gay, a lot of gay people in the Middle East, they got to become transgenders or they'll die.
joe rogan
I read something about that.
eddie bravo
That's on Vice News!
Unless Vice is bullshit, is Vice real?
I saw that on Vice News.
joe rogan
Well, you know...
eddie bravo
It's a whole episode.
joe rogan
Vice covers a lot of different subjects from a lot of different authors, but they...
If they're saying it, it's a story.
Well, Shane Smith is a friend of mine.
The guy owns it.
If they're talking about it, it's happening.
It's a matter of how much it's happening.
eddie bravo
It might be insignificant.
joe rogan
Rio Olympics Mongolian wrestling coaches strip in protest of loss.
What?
jamie vernon
They start throwing their clothes at the judges.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Was the decision that bad?
jamie vernon
No.
eddie bravo
How about the guys that got robbed in Rio, right?
Did that happen a lot?
joe rogan
No, it didn't happen.
That guy made that story up.
eddie bravo
That was bullshit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Nobody got robbed?
joe rogan
No, he didn't get robbed, man.
eddie bravo
Hmm.
joe rogan
He didn't hear about this?
eddie bravo
I wonder if that's a lie.
joe rogan
Which one's the lie?
Well, they have video cameras.
That's why he had to tell the real story.
They had security cameras from the place.
jamie vernon
We might go to jail for it.
Probably not, but we might.
eddie bravo
So nobody got robbed?
joe rogan
No, not only did he get robbed, but he changed his story and his sponsors dumped him.
He had like a massive sponsor dump.
He was drunk, I guess.
He fucked up.
I mean, a guy did apparently pull a gun on them, right?
Didn't the guy?
jamie vernon
Apparently they vandalized a gas station, and the security guard was making them pay for it, and whether or not they wanted to do it or not, but a gun was pulled to make them pay.
A gun was pulled out, not on them, but on them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but see, man.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
Even that alone, like that story alone, if they just told the truth, that's pretty sketchy, you know?
What was the truth again?
Getting a gun pulled on you in Brazil.
eddie bravo
So a gun did get pulled on him?
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently they vandalized a door.
eddie bravo
Who's that?
joe rogan
Ryan Lochte, how do you say it?
eddie bravo
So the guy that's claiming they got robbed, he was doing some vandalizing?
joe rogan
I just think they were drunk, apparently, and I like to say apparently, like I'm a lawyer or some shit.
And they broke a bathroom door or something.
Is that the story, Jamie?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
We're going to give you the whole story, folks.
I know how frustrating it is if you listen to this shit.
These girls are going after it, dude.
eddie bravo
How about Beck backing Paige up?
joe rogan
She's a very good striker.
eddie bravo
She's been backing her up.
joe rogan
She's a very good striker, man.
eddie bravo
Maybe Paige is, uh, that's her strategy is to make her come to her.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Paige, ooh, that's a nice knee to deliver.
Beck Rawlings is no joke, man.
Her striking is very legit.
Super aggressive with it, too.
You see a girl with that many tattoos like that chick is not scared She's not scared She's not scared of pain.
She's not scared to fuck you up.
Oh, Jesus, what a combination.
eddie bravo
Oh, good elbow.
joe rogan
Dude, Beck Rawlings is going off.
Like, nice knee to the body.
eddie bravo
That's really good striking.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you.
eddie bravo
All that framing, elbows.
joe rogan
Yes, very nice.
Very nice.
You know, she takes like two months and she goes down to Alliance and she trains with Eric Del Fiero, who is one of the most unheralded guys out of all the top guys.
He doesn't get talked about enough.
He's a bad motherfucker.
Eric is very, very wise when it comes to MMA knowledge.
Very wise, man.
I like his corner work.
I've seen videos of him coaching guys.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
She did some Dancing with the Stars shit.
joe rogan
She went capoeira.
She does not want to be on the inside with Rawlings.
Rawlings was hitting her with too many different things.
She was hitting her with punches up top and then knees to the body.
And the knees to the body, two or three of them look real good.
And also, like, her distance is real good.
Like, see how she's, like, sliding outside of Paige's stuff?
But constantly pressuring her, so she's making Paige explode forward, and then it's nowhere near her, and then she's constantly keeping up that pace on her.
See?
Like, Paige takes that chance, throws that kick, but then comes up empty, and she gets pop-popped.
Yeah, that's not a good feeling.
That is not a good feeling.
You can see when one person is just starting to catch fire, starting to find it and feel it, and then you see their skill levels play out too.
Van Zandt is super scrappy on the ground, really tough, but Rawlings is just a seasoned striker, man.
Really crisp.
Like, look at the movement right there.
Like, she sets up, and then she doesn't like it, and she's, well, not there.
See ya.
Like, if you hit her, you're catching her on the end of shit, she's sliding away from it.
Very interesting.
Because you're seeing, like, the level of skill in women's MMA, like, continue to go up and up.
These girls are having fucking dogfights, man.
Some of the best fights we've seen.
eddie bravo
And more and more of them are developing power.
unidentified
Ooh!
Paige Van Zandt with a jumping round kick to the body!
joe rogan
You see that?
brendan schaub
That and that other spinning kick that she missed by a mile but was awesome looking, that's gonna be on slow-mo highlight reel.
eddie bravo
Someone caught that!
Someone caught that!
They're in the truck!
Save that!
brendan schaub
File it!
joe rogan
That's so true!
eddie bravo
Can you imagine a good shot of that where she's just up there spinning like that in the middle of a fight?
It doesn't matter if you land it.
We just need a couple.
Just one per round.
Just give me something crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, they told her to do it.
eddie bravo
Yeah, just do some crazy shit.
joe rogan
Do it for Dancing with the Stars.
eddie bravo
They're thinking about a Nike commercial or something.
Or Reebok, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Oh, nice combination.
Right leg kick and then a right hand by Paige.
Paige's starting to find her rhythm, man.
brendan schaub
Maybe Paige, this is her strategy.
eddie bravo
Just go backwards for a while.
joe rogan
Well, she's so scrappy, man.
And she's so fit.
And she's constantly throwing down with badass dudes.
Well, so is Beck Rawlings.
But Paige is one of those alpha male athletes.
So she's at Team Alpha Male with Uriah Faber and Chad Mendes and...
Cody Garbrandt, and there's a ton of savages, and Justin Buchholz, who's the trainer there now, who's one of the trainers there now, and I think Justin's still fighting, too.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine how big Paige's MMA and Fitness Academy would be?
joe rogan
Good lord.
brendan schaub
Team Alpha Female.
joe rogan
Good lord.
Yeah, just have a bunch of badass bitches smacking people.
eddie bravo
And then brings in the dudes, and then that brings in the dudes, and it's like a nightclub after a while.
As soon as you walk in, there's no light.
Just strobe light.
Working out to a strobe light.
brendan schaub
Can you imagine?
eddie bravo
There's mirrors everywhere and strobes going off.
Go-go dancers.
A shot girl.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what...
Could you imagine that's what Bellator does?
They just go...
They just go straight strip club.
eddie bravo
What do you mean Bellator?
joe rogan
If Bellator decided to...
brendan schaub
Oh, like the shows?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
In the dark?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
The fighters gotta fight with like flashing lights and strobe lights going on?
joe rogan
They just say, look, this competing with MMA, it's just too hard to catch up to the UFC, so what we're gonna do is...
brendan schaub
Obscure the lighting.
joe rogan
We're gonna make it...
Everyone's gonna wear neon.
brendan schaub
You're gonna be hard to see.
joe rogan
We're gonna do ecstasy.
eddie bravo
You're going to have to do like neon around the wrist so that you...
No, we're going to do a special no neon.
Oh shit!
joe rogan
Jumping roundhouse kick in the face!
Oh shit!
eddie bravo
Oh my goodness!
joe rogan
Oh my goodness!
What a kick!
Damn!
Oh my god!
Out of nowhere!
brendan schaub
Damn!
joe rogan
That was incredible!
eddie bravo
And then she just fucking swarmed on her.
joe rogan
She is a tough girl, man.
That is a tough girl.
eddie bravo
That's the one that's gonna make the highlight.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Dude, she jumping in Roundhouse kicked her in the face.
Holy shit.
That was sensational.
eddie bravo
Maybe that was the plan, to get her coming in.
Just keep her coming in, coming in, coming in.
joe rogan
Well, it looked like, you know, she was having her moments, but it looked like Beck Rawlings was having an advantage over her in the striking.
Didn't you agree?
brendan schaub
Yes, absolutely.
eddie bravo
But look at this!
joe rogan
Dude, are you kidding me?
eddie bravo
I don't think has one ever landed like that before.
That's not the first one, is it?
joe rogan
Yair Rodriguez landed on Andrew Feely.
eddie bravo
Exactly like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, real similar.
I think it was the same leg, too.
Goddamn, that was amazing.
That's so scrappy.
eddie bravo
Did you see how she was holding her right hand with her left hand up so she couldn't roll away?
unidentified
Look at this!
joe rogan
Look at this!
eddie bravo
Oh shit!
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
eddie bravo
Check out the end where she's punching her at the end.
brendan schaub
How she's holding her hand.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Look at...
That's beautiful, man.
eddie bravo
Man.
joe rogan
That is beautiful.
What technique.
Very nice.
And when you're an athlete like her, like a dancer like that, that girl can spring.
eddie bravo
People are gonna start doing salsa now.
joe rogan
Damn.
That's a tough girl.
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
There she is!
Holy shit!
She's bigger than ever!
Bigger than ever!
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
Bam!
joe rogan
Well, I mean, come on, man.
She's like 23 years old.
She's a 23-year-old professional ass-kicker slash dancer.
eddie bravo
Was she a dancer before?
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
eddie bravo
Dancing with the Stars?
joe rogan
There's Yair Rodriguez and Andrew Philly.
eddie bravo
Let me see that again.
Damn, Jamie, you're good.
joe rogan
Jamie's a wizard.
unidentified
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Yep, there it is.
joe rogan
Same exact kick.
Damn.
That's Taekwondo.
eddie bravo
That's in the Jackie Chan realm.
joe rogan
That's Taekwondo.
People get mad I say it wrong.
brendan schaub
Taekwondo.
eddie bravo
That's almost like a Bruce Lee one too, right?
It's almost like a...
joe rogan
Yeah, well it's um...
brendan schaub
Except it's round instead of like that front snap kick, right?
joe rogan
Some Kyokushin guys used to do it like that.
It's just basically a traditional sort of karate style move.
eddie bravo
One's a snap kick and one's a round kick, right?
joe rogan
It could be that, or it could be double round kick.
You could throw the first one just trying to touch.
You're not really trying to get all the power in it.
You're just trying to touch it so you can brace off of it and then switch the hips over and throw that second one.
You've seen me do it on a bag before.
brendan schaub
You've got to do a DVD of your fucking kicks, dude.
unidentified
Come on.
And just give it away for free.
brendan schaub
And just give it away.
eddie bravo
For a dollar.
joe rogan
The only thing that I think there should be An instructional online is how to correctly throw that turning sidekick to get power in it.
There almost should be an instructional on that.
eddie bravo
You should make it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know, I wish there was this guy.
eddie bravo
Well, you kind of did.
brendan schaub
That GSP kick.
joe rogan
That helped a little.
brendan schaub
That was an instructional.
You basically got all your points out.
eddie bravo
It was five minutes or something, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You could do it the way you would teach someone.
eddie bravo
Have you seen that one, Jamie?
joe rogan
Him and GSP? You would do it the way you would teach someone.
You would break it down.
Because I think a lot of it is that people are missing one aspect of it that they just don't do right.
And they put the other stuff together and it just doesn't work correctly because of it.
And that aspect is that sidekick.
It's like getting the knee up for the regular sidekick and then extending the body.
That's where all the efficiency and the torque and the power is.
brendan schaub
Isn't it crazy that something as simple as a turning sidekick or just a regular sidekick, it's so simple, everybody knows what it is.
eddie bravo
Sidekick is probably one of the most popular kicking names, and yet very few people on the planet know how to throw it right?
Especially like in MMA, in the UFC, how many guys throw it right?
Would you say 10, 5, 15?
joe rogan
It's hard to say because a lot of them don't do it when they're fighting.
It's not a common technique, but Wonderboy does it perfect.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
With power and everything?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Wonderboy.
eddie bravo
Your kind of power?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, Wonderboy, when he fights, he keeps you at the very end.
Because he's real tall and long.
He's got a very specific sort of style, and that style is like this.
He's got you, and when you're moving in on him, he's like angles and shots.
He's angles and counters.
He'll catch you with that front leg sidekick, and then if you respond to it, he'll go like he's going to do to it, and then hit you in the face with a roundhouse kick instead.
He did that to Johnny Hendricks.
He front leg sidekicked him in the body.
And like hard, and you see Hendrix gets jarred.
eddie bravo
Just a little boom?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Well, it was a jab.
It was a fucking, he thrust it in there.
Like a powerful front leg side kick.
And you see Hendrix try to move forward again, like to settle in again, and boom, he pops him with the same leg.
He hits him with a front leg round kick in the face.
eddie bravo
So how did it go?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like bouj, and then there was like a little bit of a movement, and then boom, the round kick came.
See if you can find that.
It was like when Hendrix stopped, or excuse me, when Wonderboy stopped Hendrix.
He stopped him in the first round, which was insane.
You think how fucking durable Hendrix is.
Hendrix is an animal.
You could stop that guy in the first round.
That's something incredibly impressive.
You think of the Hendrix that went five fucking crazy rounds with Robbie Lawler.
She's a former bachelorette.
eddie bravo
What the fuck is that?
What's a bachelorette?
joe rogan
I don't understand what's going on here.
eddie bravo
Former bachelorette?
joe rogan
Vancouver Canucks.
They take their hockey seriously up there.
How about that?
They're allowed to punch each other.
They're a sport.
They're allowed to beat the fuck out of each other.
They just drop their gloves and they go knuckle to knuckle.
It's the only time you're allowed to go knuckle to knuckle with somebody on TV. You can't go knuckle to knuckle with anybody in a UFC fight.
They make you tape your gloves.
You have your hand wraps.
You put your gloves on.
You have to have gloves on.
Did you know you don't have to have hand wraps?
brendan schaub
I want to see ultimate knockouts in hockey.
eddie bravo
There's got to be a highlight video on YouTube for that.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Back it up before this, because he does this before this.
He catches him.
Oh, is this the combination that ends the fight?
No, I'm sorry.
It was earlier in the round.
It was like when they were feeling each other out.
Like, Thompson just starts putting it to him.
eddie bravo
Dude, that turning sidekick he threw right there with fire.
unidentified
Legit.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Everything he does is legit.
He does everything perfect.
eddie bravo
Is he the best striker in MMA right now?
joe rogan
Maybe Michael Page is up there, too.
I want to see Michael Page fight a higher caliber fighter, but that guy's...
Look, man, he broke Cyborg's head.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cyborg Evangelista, who's a longtime veteran.
I mean, a guy who's been fighting forever.
Tough, tough guy.
And Venom Page broke his head with a flying knee.
He's a high-level striker.
We just don't know how high-level.
You know, I want to see him...
But as far as the UFC, Wonderboy is one of the best for sure.
But, you know, it's hard to say anybody is scarier right now than Rumble.
Who's scarier than Rumble Johnson?
eddie bravo
Nobody.
joe rogan
Nobody.
Rumble Johnson is like, oh, here it is.
You got it.
Jamie found it.
No, back it up.
That's the same exact combination.
eddie bravo
Did he land that turning sidekick right there?
joe rogan
He hit him in the chest.
Here it is, I think.
He catches him with some weird stuff coming in, man.
It's really interesting.
They have this little combination.
He throws that round kick out of nowhere, too.
He's real good at ending those combinations with round kicks where people don't expect it.
It comes in fast.
So he tags him there.
Oh, shit.
So it must have been before that.
This is the final combination.
eddie bravo
What round did he stop him?
joe rogan
Stopped him in the first.
eddie bravo
Wow, yeah, we could watch the whole first round then.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, let's watch the whole first round.
eddie bravo
See if he could find it.
joe rogan
He overwhelmed him.
Yeah, this is how it sets up.
Why is it all, like, weird?
jamie vernon
If it's not supposed to be on YouTube.
joe rogan
Here it is.
It's like, he also gets away with keeping his hands down like that.
Look it, he tried that shit right there.
That jumping roundhouse cake.
He gets away with shit because of his distance and his understanding of, like, space is so high level.
His understanding of, like, striking space is so goddamn good.
And he was really smart.
He went right to Chris Weidman.
He was like, I gotta learn how to wrestle.
I'm just gonna fucking become buddies with one of the toughest wrestlers in MMA. And I'm gonna train like an animal with a guy who can beat my ass.
That's the move, you know?
Look what happened.
Top contender.
What were you gonna say?
Would I what?
eddie bravo
Would you recommend to a UFC fighter or like a new guy on the Ultimate Fighter show, you got these young guys coming in, would you ever recommend they take Taekwondo classes?
joe rogan
It's not a bad thing to do, but the problem is if you're in the middle of learning how to fight, you might want to concentrate on, I mean, if you're gonna compete, it's almost like you might want to concentrate on those other aspects before you really attempt it.
You might want to concentrate.
You'd have to talk to a guy who's constantly training guys and is really aware of how much resources you actually have as far as how hard you can train at stuff.
Because if you're training two or three times a day, which a lot of these guys are, You know, you're probably already dedicated to like strength and conditioning, jujitsu class.
eddie bravo
But you're seeing like maybe the style that Wonderboy has, maybe that's a glimpse of the future.
Like everybody got to get on this eventually.
So if you tell a guy who's just getting into it, you know what, stick to the basics, stick to Muay Thai, you could do that later.
He won't get into it later.
brendan schaub
You know, you got to do it like yesterday.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
You got to get right on it.
joe rogan
But here's the deal.
When someone's not good at that stuff, it's easy to exploit.
So there's a learning curve where you have to cross over a certain level of expertise where you understand striking, where you understand what errors to make and where to put momentum into things.
And when you're learning certain kinds of kicks, they're awkward, especially if you're not that flexible, you're not used to it, you haven't done it before.
You try it in an MMA fight, it could be a problem.
But if you're a guy like Wonderboy, he's learned how to do it since he was a kid.
I mean, Wonderboy's been doing karate with his dad since he was a kid.
So, like, he's a goddamn wizard.
I mean, he had some insane record of 50-something wins in kickboxing with no losses.
You know, he used to fight on that Chuck Norris World Combat League.
Remember that?
Didn't we go to see him live once, man?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was like Atlantic City or something.
I don't remember where it was.
Where the hell was it?
But we went to see it.
I hugged Chuck Norris for the first time.
I've hugged him since, but...
eddie bravo
Remember that...
joe rogan
One of the greatest moments of my life, man.
brendan schaub
There was a UFC fighter on that show.
joe rogan
I'm not bullshitting either.
brendan schaub
Remember there was a UFC fighter on that show, a black guy, who fought in the UFC, who did that show as well.
eddie bravo
He's from Texas.
I forget his name.
joe rogan
Damn it.
brendan schaub
He's a rapper, too.
eddie bravo
He's a rapper, fought in the UFC. I think he got into rap after the UFC, and then he fought on that show.
unidentified
Fuck!
eddie bravo
I forget his name.
joe rogan
Goddammit.
eddie bravo
From Texas.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Jamie will find him.
brendan schaub
Jamie will find him.
eddie bravo
I didn't give him enough clues.
joe rogan
World Combat League.
Yeah, he fucked it up.
brendan schaub
Goddammit, what was his name?
joe rogan
That World Combat League was dope.
I enjoyed it.
It's not, you know, it's not a bad idea to have a surface, almost like a mini swimming pool type thing, the way they had it, where there's an outside edge.
brendan schaub
There's nothing wrong with having a tournament based on just kicking.
eddie bravo
It's going to be just the best kickers.
That's it.
We're not going to really bring in striking.
You can't strike.
brendan schaub
But you can kick anywhere you want, or something like that.
eddie bravo
Or like, whatever.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like soccer?
eddie bravo
Something.
joe rogan
Well, that's kind of what Taekwondo is.
eddie bravo
It's like wrestling.
Wrestling is just one tiny aspect of MMA. The takedown and the bass, it's not tiny.
Let me rephrase that.
It's a big part of MMA, but it's just one of the big three.
The big three being striking, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu.
But then there's also sambo with jiu-jitsu.
And in takedowns, there's judo with wrestling.
And then in striking, there's muay thai, boxing, traditional martial arts.
But it's generally the big three.
And then there's sisters and shit.
joe rogan
Here's my thoughts on the Taekwondo and Muay Thai thing.
I'm like, you cannot get Taekwondo off.
It's not going to work if you don't know Muay Thai.
That's what I believe.
I believe that most Muay Thai cancels Taekwondo.
And this is from me doing Taekwondo most of my younger life and then doing Muay Thai and then seeing the holes in it.
Like if you don't know it, like if you ever watched like a Taekwondo guy, there's a few of them online.
Taekwondo guys fight Muay Thai guys.
They just get lit up.
brendan schaub
It's like Muay Thai is leg locks and boxing is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
eddie bravo
Boxing is very important in MMA. Very important.
But if you don't know Muay Thai and you don't know how to check kicks, you're gonna get exposed.
They're gonna kick your legs.
Same thing.
If you know BJJ and you don't know leg locks, I see it all the time.
If you're a traditional Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy who didn't get heavy on leg locks and you go against a guy who's heavy on leg locks, you could take a guy that's been doing leg locks for one year, maybe two years, and he just focuses on leg locks.
brendan schaub
See, when you're really good at leg locks, you don't have to pass the guard.
eddie bravo
You don't have to sweep, ever.
With traditional jiu-jitsu, just straight chokes and arm bars, you have to pass the goddamn guard generally if you're on top to get close to any submissions, or you gotta sweep.
brendan schaub
But with leg locks, you don't have to do shit.
You can go right into leg locks from anywhere.
eddie bravo
You know, that's the beautiful thing about leg locks.
When you add that...
To jiu-jitsu, you combine sambo, catch wrestling, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
Boom.
That right there is huge.
It's just like combining Muay Thai and boxing.
That's fucking huge.
Combining Muay Thai and boxing.
Boxing by itself in MMA, you're gonna get your legs kicked.
joe rogan
Well, let me ask you this.
Do you think that it is important, like if you were trying to develop a perfect fighter, do you think that it's important to start out with one discipline and get really good at it, like Damian Maia?
Or do you think you should be a guy or a gal who learns everything from scratch?
eddie bravo
It all depends when you start and what you're...
Is your goal to become a UFC champion?
joe rogan
Say if you want to be the next Paige Van Zandt.
What's up, Paige?
eddie bravo
And how old are you?
joe rogan
That's a good question, right?
There's no one answer, right?
Yeah, if someone's 30, it's a big difference between that.
unidentified
If you're a kid, I would say...
eddie bravo
We've talked about this before.
I would say get into breakdancing and wrestling.
Do that together.
Breakdancing and wrestling.
Get into that hard.
And do jujitsu on Sundays or whatever.
A little submissions here.
A little pass the guard here.
But make sure you're putting enough time in that wrestling and that breakdancing.
Combining both.
Because we all know wrestling translates beautifully into jujitsu.
And now we know breakdancing translates even better into jujitsu.
Because when you're doing breakdancing, you're doing way more crazy things than you are in wrestling.
Wrestling's nice, simple, basic, stay on top, balance, base, stay on top, boom, drive through, stay on top, don't let a guy get on top of you, boom.
You're not asking your body to do these crazy maneuvers like in breakdancing.
How fucking nuts is that?
When you're used to doing crazy shit, like spinning on your head in slow motion and shit like that, the amount of control you have to have on your core and the strength to do all that shit, it's like crazy yoga, capoeira...
Touch butt.
All that shit.
All that shit combined into one.
Because breakdancing is fucking everything.
It's gymnastics.
It's wrestling.
It's everything.
It's yoga.
It's Pilates.
joe rogan
Explosive.
It's flexibility.
eddie bravo
Anything you can put.
There's grambies in it.
There's rubber guard in it.
There's all sorts of shit.
Breakdancing is endless.
So it just makes sense.
On paper, it makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That that would be the best thing to get your kids into.
To develop the ultimate...
Base, balance, core strength.
That will translate into anything.
I've seen it over and over again with Gio and Boogie and all his guys.
I got other break dancers.
joe rogan
For sure, it's a good base for Jiu-Jitsu.
eddie bravo
I got another guy.
joe rogan
The question becomes, though, how much emphasis should be put on striking if you're developing a guy?
For MMA? I would say...
eddie bravo
There's a lot of time, I would say.
Focus on the wrestling and the breakdancing.
Add a little striking here on the side.
Just get them moving.
Maybe Taekwondo on Saturday.
Taekwondo Saturday.
Jiu-jitsu Sunday.
Monday through Friday.
Wrestling during the day.
Breakdancing at night.
Wrestling during the day.
brendan schaub
Five days a week.
eddie bravo
Saturday.
Go to McDonald's and get a little hot fudge Sunday after Taekwondo.
Do all that shit.
Boom.
And you're good.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, you know the only thing that I would wonder about I mean if you run into a guy like Wonderboy, I'd wonder about it get it When you look at a guy like Wonderboy, if you can't take that guy down, you're kind of fucked.
brendan schaub
Unless you're a better striker.
eddie bravo
Unless you're Tumanov.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be...
eddie bravo
What's gonna happen with him and Tumanov?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
It's a real good question.
eddie bravo
Tumanov is a fucking...
He throws straight, powerful shit.
joe rogan
He certainly does.
He's super fluid.
Very technical with his angles and the way he boxes.
His kicks are good too.
Good leg kicks.
brendan schaub
It's an insane sport, man.
There's so many guys.
Look at the 155 division.
Can you imagine the shit-talking leading up to the fight, the countdown show, Tony Ferguson and Conor?
eddie bravo
Even that.
That's another dimension on its own.
Can you imagine?
Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor almost didn't fucking happen.
All this shit, this historic shit of all time in history almost didn't happen.
If Dos Anjos didn't get hurt, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If he didn't get hurt, we wouldn't have any of this shit.
brendan schaub
So imagine Tony Ferguson, Conor McGregor.
eddie bravo
Imagine that shit.
Because Tony, he's going to talk shit as well.
And he's intelligent.
And fuck, dude.
joe rogan
And he's an assassin.
brendan schaub
He's a fucking total barbarian.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's an assassin.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
joe rogan
He finds a way to win.
brendan schaub
The beating he put on Edson Barboza.
eddie bravo
Holy goddamn shit.
Everybody's scared of Edson.
Edson's one of the scariest guys in UFC history.
That's a scary opponent.
That's one guy you're like, you know what?
Can we go around that motherfucker?
You know, that's what deep down everyone's thinking that cuz that guy if he lands a super fast crazy Spinning wheel kicks if he lands that shit, you might not be the same person for the rest of your life There might be a slight change.
joe rogan
He's a perfect example of a guy who has outstanding Muay Thai and Nasty traditional kicks.
Yeah, his perfect example.
Like you ever see him throw a spinning back kick.
Yes, perfect.
eddie bravo
Yeah And fast as fuck and fast as fuck.
joe rogan
And the wheel kick that he knocked out Terry Edom, do you know that was the first wheel kick KO ever in the history of the UFC? Really?
That was the first one.
Edson Barboza knocking out Terry Edom in Brazil.
eddie bravo
That's the first one?
joe rogan
Yup, and there's an animated gif of Barboza spinning, landing on Edom.
He goes down and in the background, Ari Shafir goes like this.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Ari's in the background.
It's incredible.
It's incredible.
As the wheel kick lands, you see Ari freak out in the background.
eddie bravo
Did someone make a special video and zoom in on him and shit?
And make a meme out of it?
joe rogan
No, I'm sure someone has.
I've seen it.
I've definitely seen the meme.
But that technique, the way he throws it is perfect.
Everything he does is perfect.
His switch kick is the best switch kick I've ever seen in my life.
I've never seen anybody throw a better switch kick.
eddie bravo
Dude, Anthony Pettis, Charles Oliveira.
Holy goddamn Jesus.
joe rogan
Look, Ari's in the background.
See right there?
His hands go up to his head.
eddie bravo
Is that what this video is about?
joe rogan
Look at this.
Boom.
Yeah, exactly.
Watch.
He lands it.
Now look in the background, and you watch Ari's hands come up.
eddie bravo
Is that him doing this?
joe rogan
He's right there behind me.
Watch this.
One more time.
Oh, that's Joe Silva?
jamie vernon
Right here's Silva.
joe rogan
Joe Silva's there, and Ari's right behind him.
eddie bravo
You can't enlarge that screen?
jamie vernon
No, it was really small.
I made it bigger.
joe rogan
Oh, you made it smaller?
What happened?
eddie bravo
Dude, that's one of the greatest knockouts in UFC history.
In MMA history, really.
And we're looking at Ari.
We're focusing scientifically, forensically, on Ari.
joe rogan
That's funny.
But Barboza, as far as technique, he has zero holes in his technique.
Zero.
He's one of the best kickers I've ever seen.
Because he does everything.
He does the traditional kicks.
He does a lot of Muay Thai techniques.
He's the first guy to ever stop two opponents with leg kicks.
Rafael Oliveira and...
eddie bravo
Mike Lulo.
joe rogan
Mike Lulo, that's right.
Nasty fucking leg kicks.
eddie bravo
Lulo almost go-go plathed him.
He was in danger for a little bit.
That was legit go-go on him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he went after Cowboy.
Remember that fight?
And then Cowboy caught him with a jab and then took him down and got his back.
brendan schaub
Barboza?
joe rogan
Yeah, Barboza and Cowboy.
You remember that fight?
brendan schaub
Damn, I don't.
joe rogan
It was a crazy ass fight.
eddie bravo
Who won that?
Cowboy.
joe rogan
Cowboy.
brendan schaub
He's on fire.
joe rogan
First round.
brendan schaub
Dude, Cowboy McGregor would be fucking insane.
joe rogan
Oh my god, please make it happen.
brendan schaub
Dude, that would be fucking insane.
joe rogan
That might be the biggest fight of all time.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
We might have to stop fighting for like a month.
Breathe after that fight.
eddie bravo
Connor is going to have $700 billion when he retires, dude.
Come on, man.
Who's going to be richer than that guy?
joe rogan
Nobody.
eddie bravo
When he buys his first fucking G5 or whatever, you don't think he's going to put that shit on Instagram every day?
joe rogan
Of course he is.
He's going to buy a castle.
eddie bravo
When is that going to happen?
joe rogan
Dude, he's going to live in a castle.
eddie bravo
Oh.
joe rogan
A castle with a jet.
eddie bravo
He needs that picture.
That's the ultimate picture.
He needs to get that one.
joe rogan
And look at this.
Charles Oliveira closing in on Pettis.
We're watching the Charles Oliveira-Anthony Pettis fight.
I've been looking forward to it for a while.
Oliveira moved in on Pettis.
He's trying to take him to the ground.
He's wrestle-fucking him.
You know, the same way a lot of guys have done.
eddie bravo
He's got all that Taekwondo shit we were talking about.
joe rogan
It's true, but Oliveira's pretty fucking good on his feet, too.
I'm interested in this because I was wondering how Oliveira would approach this fight.
His technique, his stand-up is very good, man.
brendan schaub
His approach is, I'm taking this guy down.
joe rogan
It seems like it, man.
brendan schaub
He's like, fuck that striking shit.
joe rogan
Good defense by Pettis, though.
Good takedown defense so far.
Olivera's a good grappler, man.
He submitted guys with a bunch of different shit, too.
Weird chokes.
eddie bravo
He knee-barred Jim Miller, right?
joe rogan
No, Jim Miller knee-barred him.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
See, that's how retarded I am.
joe rogan
He got someone in a calf slicer.
I think it was one of the first ever calf slicers in the UFC. I don't know the stats on that.
I can't remember another one.
Maybe somebody out there can correct me.
I don't remember another one.
eddie bravo
No wonder people don't believe me about Tower 7. I can't remember shit.
joe rogan
Damn, Oliveira's sticking to him like glue here.
Yeah, he's won.
He beat Efrain Escudero with that standing rear naked.
Remember that fight?
Yeah, there's the calf slicer.
Look at that thing.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think anybody's ever tapped anybody with that before.
eddie bravo
Do people call that the Oliver Capcrank?
And rightfully so.
joe rogan
Yeah, rightfully so.
eddie bravo
If you do it in the UFC, if you're the first one, that's yours.
You own that motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of techniques like that, right?
Look at this.
Oliveros got Pettis' back.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Danger.
Danger.
Oh, Anthony Pettis.
Oh, shit.
unidentified
What's going to happen here?
eddie bravo
What is going to happen here?
joe rogan
Things get interesting, my friend.
Not good to have Pettis on top of you.
eddie bravo
Oh, he got up in the horse.
joe rogan
Interesting.
eddie bravo
Oh!
No.
joe rogan
Slippity-slippery.
eddie bravo
Too slippery.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Here's a little punch for your troubles.
eddie bravo
Great triangle defense by Pettis right there.
joe rogan
Here's a question.
Olivera lands a round kick first.
How much of a toll did the weight cut take on Pettis?
I mean, he lost a lot of weight to get down to 145. Look at that balance and base.
Very nice.
eddie bravo
You know, at first, these strikers, they were getting taken down pretty easily, but they have...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Hard kick to the body!
Hard kick to the body!
Another one!
unidentified
He's hurt.
joe rogan
He's hurt bad.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
Look at that balance and base.
brendan schaub
Pettis is professional with the jiu-jitsu right there.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, he's lighting him up.
brendan schaub
You can't play open guard like that.
eddie bravo
You can't have your guard open.
brendan schaub
You've got to close that shit.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
eddie bravo
He's got an arm!
unidentified
Oh, he's got the arm!
joe rogan
Pulls out!
Shit!
Beautiful!
unidentified
Beautiful!
eddie bravo
Look at that swamp walking!
joe rogan
Look at that bass!
Oliveira's got heart, dude!
Hanging in there!
eddie bravo
Pettis is all over it!
joe rogan
Oh!
eddie bravo
Oh!
brendan schaub
Look at that shit!
eddie bravo
Too greasy!
Look at all that shit!
joe rogan
Oh, side control!
eddie bravo
Nice pass!
joe rogan
Very nice!
My crucifix coming!
eddie bravo
Is Pettis a black belt?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
Because he's looking like a black belt.
joe rogan
I want to say he's at least a brown belt.
eddie bravo
Dude, he's looking like a black belt.
brendan schaub
Because Oliver is a black belt, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
eddie bravo
Well, damn.
He's looking great.
joe rogan
Pettis has submitted some...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
Look at his defense.
joe rogan
Good grapple, good grapple.
eddie bravo
He submitted.
It's nice to see what high-level jiu-jitsu guys like Charles Oliver doing in spots like this because...
You're not hiding technique here.
You're going to your A game.
You're A. What are you thinking when you're in a position?
unidentified
Look at that.
brendan schaub
That was a great move.
eddie bravo
That's some great shit right there.
joe rogan
Well, Pettis tried.
He got too aggressive in going for the Mounted Crucifix.
He gave up position.
Gave up position.
Now he's in trouble.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Dude, if he can pull this off.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What a fight.
What a fight.
Pettis is almost out.
eddie bravo
I suspect Pettis got good defense here.
Look at that defense.
joe rogan
Oh, and he tags him.
eddie bravo
Oh, he had his back, and now he's on his back again.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Good upkick!
Good upkick!
brendan schaub
Damn, this is a real fight here.
eddie bravo
Look at this shit.
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
He keeps going after it, but there's nothing there.
eddie bravo
There's just two dudes who only go forward.
They don't know how to stall.
brendan schaub
They just go forward after each other.
eddie bravo
Look at that, he's got him in De La Hiva card.
Yeah, look at this.
He got De La Hiva for a second.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He's constantly throwing things up, man.
He's constantly throwing things up, but damn, Pettis keeps cracking him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, but you gotta look out for that upkick, man.
brendan schaub
You gotta throw upkicks.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
If you're Pettis, don't you let him stand up here?
Don't you let him stand up here?
eddie bravo
I think a part of you says that there's no way he can knock me out here, so I don't mind staying here.
joe rogan
It's the end of the round.
eddie bravo
A lot of times people, you think, oh, why doesn't he let him up to fuck him up?
And that's usually the best advice, but I assume that...
They're thinking, okay, if I let him up, I'm beating him up.
He still can throw.
Maybe he recovers and he throws a big fucking shot and knocks me out.
That happens a lot.
So there's no way he can knock me out on his back except for that up kick.
Why don't I just stay right here?
You know what I mean?
I think that's what they're thinking, but I don't know.
joe rogan
It could be.
It could be also.
I mean, that was a hard-fought first round.
eddie bravo
You let a guy stand up.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
eddie bravo
He's got four limbs where he can knock you out.
If you keep him on his back, you just gotta watch that upkick, and that shit's so low percentage.
That's happened three times in history.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he also knows that it's probably the end of the round.
It's happened a few times in the UFC. What's the greatest upkick ever?
I say Henzo Gracie versus Oleg Tektarov.
eddie bravo
And then there's Murillo Bustamante on Jerry Bolander.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
Remember that?
joe rogan
Which one was first?
brendan schaub
Or was that Fabio Gergele on Bolander?
No, no, it wasn't Fabio.
eddie bravo
It was Murillo Bustamante.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Boom!
Pettis with the body kick.
Olivera in deep shit.
eddie bravo
Can you find Murillo Bustamante, Jerry Bolander up kick?
brendan schaub
That would be awesome, Jamie.
I don't mean to be like I own the show or anything like that.
eddie bravo
So if I stepped over my bounds, talk to Joe because he's got my back.
joe rogan
I like Olivera's technique, man.
He looks so smooth.
I like that front kick to the body, man.
Olivera looks very smooth on the feet, man.
Very smooth.
Good rhythm.
eddie bravo
Yeti was trying to take him down right away.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I think he wants to just show him he can beat him both ways.
He's taking him down again.
Look at this.
Spins around, gets the back.
Goddamn.
unidentified
Oh, Pettis reverse.
eddie bravo
Dude, Pettis is no joke.
joe rogan
Reverse.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
brendan schaub
He's gonna let him up.
Now he's gonna let him up.
joe rogan
Yeah, now he's gonna let him stand up.
brendan schaub
Too much time left.
unidentified
You were probably right.
joe rogan
He probably got a coaching in the corner.
They were probably saying, you're gonna fuck this guy up with that left kick from the body.
unidentified
Here it is.
eddie bravo
Look at Bolander right there.
joe rogan
Oh, head kick.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
He went over the top.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
brendan schaub
That's it.
joe rogan
Two.
Oh, Oliveira with the right hand.
Oliveira's got a bad swelling on the left eye.
Oh, and he just got tagged there, too.
Probably from some of that.
Oh, look at that beautiful jab.
Pettis is targeting it.
He's gonna let him up.
I think Oliver is struggling, man.
He can't see very good out of that eye, man.
He's really badly swollen up.
And when it starts swelling up that quick, you gotta wonder how bad that injury is.
See how bad it is, man?
brendan schaub
He keeps coming forward.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
What a savage.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
He's throwing heavy shit, too.
He's just going forward like a goddamn cyborg.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that one-two.
I like the way Olivera leads with that front kick, too.
Look at that jab!
He throws a lot of that left leg front kick.
It's nice.
Very crisp.
He like really, he fucks with you with it.
eddie bravo
So many weapons to polish.
Oh, good kick to the body!
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Olivera on the right hook!
unidentified
Olivera, pressure!
joe rogan
Goddamn, what a fight.
unidentified
What a fight.
eddie bravo
These guys are fucking beasts.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, right hand by Pettis.
Right hand by Olivera!
eddie bravo
Pettis got some sweet boxing, man.
He's, like, countering beautifully.
He's taking a lot of shit, but, you know, he's landing a lot of rights.
joe rogan
This is amazing.
eddie bravo
Oh, is that an elbow?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You don't...
It seems like people are throwing more and more.
joe rogan
Pettis with that right hand.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at those elbows.
Nice.
joe rogan
Oliveira's very clean with his Muay Thai, man.
He does a lot of real good technical shit.
Good right hand.
No, he's not.
eddie bravo
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, right hand over the top.
I don't think.
I forget where.
Find out where Charles Oliveira trains.
unidentified
I don't think it's Novo Uñao, though.
joe rogan
I'm almost positive it's not.
Oh, look at this!
unidentified
He's got his back!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
This is why you need to be razor sharp on the back, right?
This is your opportunity to win.
You have an opportunity.
You're just going to let it slip through your fingers.
joe rogan
Look at this, man.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
No pun intended.
joe rogan
He's got Anthony Pennis' back.
And he's controlling him.
He's got that body triangle.
eddie bravo
You've got to be really good here.
You've got to be really good on the back.
brendan schaub
You've got the back.
eddie bravo
You should take advantage of it.
What else do you need?
brendan schaub
You got the back, both leg hooks.
You got a fucking body triangle.
eddie bravo
What else do you need?
Is there something else?
joe rogan
Okay, well what should he be doing here, man?
eddie bravo
He should...
unidentified
Tell the people.
brendan schaub
I mean, there's a wrist battle.
There's a hand fight.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at this!
brendan schaub
And it's sophisticated and complicated, and you gotta win.
eddie bravo
There's a battle going on.
Anthony Pettis is using both his hands to defend his neck, and he's got a good angle at that defense, too.
So it's really difficult, because even though Anthony Pettis has his back taken, the way he would defend that choke, it's like doing a pull-up like this, very strong.
It becomes very sophisticated.
joe rogan
He spun.
unidentified
Oop.
joe rogan
He broke it through.
He's on top now.
eddie bravo
A lot of grease.
A lot of grease.
You got to keep that body lock triangle on as much as you can.
brendan schaub
Oh, look at this!
eddie bravo
Too much grease.
And by grease, I mean sweat.
unidentified
Any Bravo accusers people of greasing.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
I meant sweat is grease.
joe rogan
Goddamn, good technique, man.
Oh, nice knee to the body on the brake.
And a right hand by Oliveira.
Holy shit.
jamie vernon
He's trying out at Houston.
brendan schaub
What's that?
jamie vernon
He's in Houston.
He trains in Houston.
I can't find the gym, but he just keeps saying Houston everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, well, I know he started out at some place in Brazil because they were showing it on television.
Pretty sure, right?
Didn't they have like a whole...
jamie vernon
He's from Sao Paulo, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they went to his original gym.
unidentified
Oh, Pettis with a kick to the body!
joe rogan
Pettis is another one who has pretty flawless traditional taekwondo style techniques.
Right hand.
Oh, shit.
Oh, look at this.
Olivera gets it.
Pettis is taking some big deep breaths.
It's what it's called?
eddie bravo
Who's that?
joe rogan
I don't know if that's his gym.
I don't know.
I think...
That's not the video that I saw that was in preparation for this fight, so I'm not quite sure, but...
Whatever it is, he's super well-trained.
We should find out what his camp is.
Just give him a shout-out.
Super well-trained.
brendan schaub
If there was three rules, or two, or whatever you can think of, you can make the change right now.
eddie bravo
Not the scoring system, just rules in the game.
brendan schaub
What would they be?
eddie bravo
If you had all the powers, the head commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission came to you and said, Joe, whatever you want, let's fix this sport.
What are the three major things you think?
We trust you.
You're so knowledgeable.
You fucking are amazing, man.
joe rogan
Well, I'm tired of getting blown here.
eddie bravo
Said no guy ever?
joe rogan
No guy ever.
What would I tell him to do?
First of all, I don't think it needs to be fixed.
I think we could all...
I think the best way...
unidentified
Rule changes.
joe rogan
Yeah, the best way to find out what the best rule changes would be is to talk to all the experts.
Talk to all the most respected trainers, the Duke Rufuses and the Ferasa Hobbies and the Matt Humes and all those guys.
Talk to them.
And then talk to former fighters that are really smart guys like Brian Stan.
Talk to guys like Dominic Cruz.
Talk to guys who are at it right now like John Jones who are in their prime.
Talk to everybody.
Talk to George St. Pierre.
And then get sort of an understanding of what everybody would like to see changed or what they think would be changed if they had their way.
I think that's probably the best way to do it, to do it as a community.
Because I think there's not going to be a total agreement on things, but I think we can come to some reasonable agreements if we all just sat down and explored what would be the best options for rules for safety.
Look at this guy that's throwing up an arm bar!
That was slick.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he just snapped on it.
joe rogan
Let's see if he can pull that off.
eddie bravo
No, but I'm talking about in a fantasy world.
brendan schaub
In a fantasy world.
joe rogan
I know.
eddie bravo
What you're talking about is like the most...
joe rogan
But even in a fantasy world, that's what I would do.
I would definitely, if it was up to me, that's what I would do.
I would put it up to.
eddie bravo
Would you be included in that group of people?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Okay, so everyone would have to vote on their top three, and then you put it all together, and then from there you decide.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ooh, Pat is on top again!
God damn, this is a great fight!
I would think, number one, much more comprehensive rule system.
Let's find out what rules make sense.
Like the 12-6 elbow, that's gone.
That making that elbow illegal.
eddie bravo
It's really from the mount only when that comes into play, right?
joe rogan
Totally.
It's a legit technique.
And then I think you and I had a point, and I think it should be discussed.
Why can't you elbow someone in the back of the head?
When you can kick him in the back of the head.
Yes.
When you can, in transitions, guys get kicked.
unidentified
Look at this!
eddie bravo
Oh, he tapped him!
He tapped him!
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Anthony Pettis!
Oh my goodness.
eddie bravo
If he's not a black belt, he's getting it tomorrow morning.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
He caught him with a fucking guillotine and tapped him.
eddie bravo
Legit guillotine.
unidentified
Woo!
eddie bravo
Anthony Patton has got some finishing power on the ground, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's fantastic.
Look at that beautiful display right there.
They went over and hugged him.
Oliveira kissed him on the cheek.
That's beautiful.
I don't know why.
That's touching to me, for real.
It sounds like a bullshit thing to say.
You know, like, oh, look at that.
They made friends.
How cute.
But, like, really, that means a lot, man.
When you see these two guys train for each other for months at a time, talk shit about how the fight's going to go down, talk about, you know, beating each other's asses.
eddie bravo
Damn, all that?
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Holy shit.
Beautiful transition.
Look at this.
He's going for the single.
He misses it, and the transition to the double catches the guillotine and gets that leg perfect over the top.
That is nasty as fuck.
That is locked down.
eddie bravo
He got under the chin.
He got under the chin with that grip.
He's right under the chin right there.
Boom.
And he can't get it out.
He's locked down.
And you know what?
The fence helped him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he couldn't go to the right.
eddie bravo
The Phelps kept it in.
Couldn't go to the right.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's pushing against it.
The fence is weird, man.
I think it helps things, and I think it makes it way easier to take people down.
There's a lot of wrestlers.
If the fence didn't exist, good fucking luck.
Good luck trying to take them down.
eddie bravo
But the fence also makes it harder to take people down in another sense where you're leaning against the fence.
It's an art to use all your weight into the fence and just to use the fence in your favor when you're working on your takedown defense.
joe rogan
There truly is a difference between MMA wrestling and wrestling.
eddie bravo
There should be a tournament called fence wrestling where you start and you have a guy against the fence and as soon as you could circle out, now you switch and you go back and forth to see who gets the most takedowns off the fence.
joe rogan
That would be a great skill.
Like, you know how you say Taekwondo is a good skill to have if you're like a Wonderboy and you can throw those perfect kind of kicks?
If you had a sport, a separate sport...
eddie bravo
Fence wrestling.
joe rogan
That was just fence wrestling.
That is actually a really good idea.
eddie bravo
For MMA? It would prepare you better for MMA. That's a big difference with fence and without fence.
Giant difference.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, you couldn't run away either.
Do you think parents would let their kids wrestle in a cage?
If they had school meets.
eddie bravo
The parents I know, hell yeah!
joe rogan
Get the little animal in the cage!
eddie bravo
I got parents that they want their kids to fight in the UFC more than the kids do.
They're down as fuck!
joe rogan
Show them that rubber guard!
eddie bravo
Show it to them!
All that shit!
He's doing ballet.
He's doing...
He's swimming.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
eddie bravo
He's doing water polo for that explosion.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if all wrestling meets turned into cage wrestling meets?
Look, wrestling attendance is down.
I got good news and I got bad news.
Good news is we got a solution.
The bad news is it involves your little angels wrestling in a cage.
eddie bravo
How about you have, instead of six mats out there, like in a high school, you have six cages out there.
It's just cage wrestling.
brendan schaub
You'd have to get six fucking cages.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can't have cages run simultaneously.
eddie bravo
Yes, you can.
Just like a regular wrestling tournament or a jiu-jitsu tournament.
At the Worlds, there's 12 matches going on at the same time.
You just put little cages in each match.
joe rogan
I know, but doesn't it seem like...
eddie bravo
Dude, this is a fantasy world.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
I'm not trying to fund this.
joe rogan
How about this?
brendan schaub
All we need is $30,000 to get the cages.
joe rogan
Clothing's optional.
eddie bravo
Who's going to bring the cages?
We got a cage company to sponsor.
joe rogan
Oil is optional.
Are you guys going to oil it, or are you guys going to go dry today?
You have Turkish oil wrestling.
You know how they have that shit?
They oil each other up.
You ever seen that?
Dude, they reach into each other's pants and grab their ball back.
eddie bravo
One of our greatest photoshops ever of all time, back when photoshop was first invented, they took one of them Turkish oil wrestling.
They look like they're in leather pants, topless leather pants.
It looks like a Chippendales outfit, but it's actually serious sports going on where they're wrestling and they're completely covered in oil and you can reach, part of the sport is reaching inside the man's pants to grip around his balls.
That is part of the game.
That is part of the game.
brendan schaub
I want to know.
There it is.
eddie bravo
I want to know, where are the schools for this?
What do the schools look like?
How do you train for this?
joe rogan
Dude, they oil each other up.
They wear really tight leather pants like they're in Judas Priest.
eddie bravo
And you can get inside.
joe rogan
And then they grab each other's dicks and ball bags and they wrestle each other to the ground.
eddie bravo
Do they really grab the balls?
I mean, how do you stop?
joe rogan
They grab them like handles.
eddie bravo
It's totally legal to grab balls.
joe rogan
I don't think there's any rules at all.
I just think you can't...
Look at this.
He's got his hand in his fucking pants, bro!
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the coaching?
Grab his dick!
joe rogan
That is so insane.
eddie bravo
Squeeze his balls!
joe rogan
These guys are all standing around.
eddie bravo
Dude's in the stands.
Squeeze his nuts!
joe rogan
You know, there's at least one guy watching that going, please don't get hard.
Please don't get hard.
Please don't get hard.
Not yet.
eddie bravo
Yeah, if you get hard, it's bad for your game.
You can play that on hard.
He's like, yeah, it was cool.
I was all over him.
I was up six points, and then I got a hard on.
And I was trying to think of Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold air.
It didn't work.
And he won.
You know what?
I'm not going to make any excuses.
My dick got hard.
Whatever.
I should have jerked off.
I fucked up.
I knew I fucked up.
joe rogan
Why can't that be in the Olympics when water polo can?
eddie bravo
I want to see this in the Olympics.
joe rogan
How come they can play beach volleyball with chicks literally in thongs?
eddie bravo
In super slow-mo, like the championship was decided.
He was winning it until that dude slipped his hand or his pants in slow motion.
They got super slow motion, and you can tell right here where he grabs his dick.
You can tell by his hips.
If you see the quiver on the hips, that's an indication of full shaft, low.
When you grab the shaft, you want to go below the helmet line.
As long as you're below the helmet line, and you got...
It all depends on the grip.
Some guys like the monkey grip, the shaft, right there at the base.
It all depends on the size of his penis, but you can monkey grip it.
You got all these grips.
Can you imagine the interview?
I had two weeks of training.
It was last minute.
unidentified
My dick was not in good shape.
eddie bravo
I hadn't jerked off in two weeks.
unidentified
Well, you have to do things to your dick to toughen it up.
joe rogan
You have to hang weights off your dick.
eddie bravo
Totally.
This time I had a full camp to prepare.
I've been jerking off three times a day, so this time it's going to be a little different.
And I'm going to come with my A game.
My dick is...
joe rogan
Come with his A-game.
Take strong.
eddie bravo
Talk about fucking checking the oil.
You know what I mean?
You know they could...
What if that's illegal?
You could grab the dick and the balls, but you can't stick your thumb in their ass.
joe rogan
Checking the oil.
Because guys have gotten in trouble for that.
Didn't guys get arrested for assault for checking some kid's oil?
Didn't two dudes wrestling and one kid check the kid's oil and he got arrested for assault?
I'm pretty sure that really happened.
eddie bravo
I think you need to explain what checking the oil means.
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
Checking your oil means when you are grappling with a gentleman and you are behind him, you shoveth your fingers inside his bum hole.
eddie bravo
In wrestling?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
We're not sure if that's legal or not, but they do it.
joe rogan
They do it all the time.
This is a really radical one.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's a great one.
joe rogan
It's a woman, and she's going full Tarzan on this girl's asshole.
eddie bravo
And she's not even flinching!
Look at that!
She's like, bitch, this is nothing.
joe rogan
She likes it.
I think the woman on top is definitely doing something questionable.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who am I to judge?
eddie bravo
Is that legal, though, in Turkish oil?
I want to know the rules of Turkish oil.
unidentified
The rules change depends on who kills the king.
eddie bravo
Someone tweet me, please, if you could find the rules to Turkish oil Chippendales wrestling.
I'm curious.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
What a great sport.
So how come they can't have that in the Olympics, but they can have that women's volleyball bullshit?
It's sexism.
eddie bravo
Totally.
joe rogan
Sexism.
All we need, this is what we need, we need one flamboyantly gay star who wants to compete and they won't let him in and it becomes like a global worldwide cause where people, you know, they demand diversity.
What if it's cheating?
eddie bravo
What if it's cheating to be gay?
So they gotta lie.
They're saying they're straight.
They got fake girlfriends or fake girlfriends.
joe rogan
It's been proven that when you wrestle a gay man and he starts to win, your testosterone drops significantly.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
It's been proven in science, in the labs.
So it's almost like cheating because it's like anti-steroids.
Because when you're getting whooped on by a gay dude, you start getting so meek.
It's like nature's preparing you to be his bitch.
eddie bravo
Is that true?
And there's no way a gay guy could even be...
joe rogan
You're looking at me like it's a real question.
What is this, Jamie?
eddie bravo
Are these the rules?
jamie vernon
Turkishwrestling.com and check out number three.
These are alternative ways to win, I believe.
eddie bravo
Can you read that, Joe, for the audience?
joe rogan
Yes, this is very bizarre.
It says, The Crush.
A fighter may maneuver his opponent onto his stomach...
Jamie, can you make that bigger?
And then trap himself?
Why is it all so blurry?
eddie bravo
It's not that blurry.
joe rogan
Oh, you got your glasses on.
eddie bravo
I don't even have my glasses on and I can read that.
I'm shocked myself.
joe rogan
You can keep him down.
What are the rules against it?
Submission, occasionally the match, under a hot summer sun so long and arduous that one fighter will simply signal his submission to the referee and it's a pin.
Since the wrestler is not restricted from placing his hands inside his opponent's kiss bit, He may not grab his balls or invade his rectum, however.
eddie bravo
However.
joe rogan
He may not grab his balls or invade his rectum, however.
He can also use the waistband of the other man to hold the other man in place.
Okay, so you can't grab their balls and their dick and their asshole.
jamie vernon
If you lose your trunks, you lose the match.
joe rogan
Oh, if a guy takes your pants off?
eddie bravo
Dude, can you imagine?
It's even worse that you're not allowed to grab the balls or stick your finger.
It's even worse because the cheaters in the sport are always going to be the guys.
And how are you going to prove it?
There must be a guy in the sport who's the worst cheater ever.
There's got to be.
joe rogan
Listen to the actual rule.
Occasionally the kispet is yanked so far.
eddie bravo
What's the kispet?
joe rogan
That's the thing that he wears, those leather greased up pants.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
joe rogan
Oh, you could pull down the trunks.
eddie bravo
You lose the match.
Maybe this is like...
You're oiled up.
joe rogan
You can reach inside, but you can't touch the asshole or the dick, and I'm sure no one breaks that rule.
Ever.
Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.
eddie bravo
It's better that there's a rule.
Because they're fully in there!
But they're not allowed to.
joe rogan
And then if the guy pulls your pants off, he wins.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the discussions, the podcast?
There must be podcasts about this sport, like dudes that are seriously into it.
And they're talking about, like, you know, we're talking about, like, no need a downed opponent and all that.
They're talking about...
The elephant in the room is the fact that everyone's sticking fingers in everyone's asshole and everyone's grabbing balls, but no one's complaining because everyone just does it.
And so there's no complaints.
Like in football, the defensive cornerback, when there's a receiver going out, you're not supposed to hit him outside of five yards.
They're hitting them all the time and running into them.
And when they throw passes, they're all over.
And they call it sometimes, and sometimes they don't.
And there's big controversy.
You know there's pass interference, but no one's calling it.
It's a weird thing.
They call it every now and then.
When it's really obvious.
So there must be tips of fingers going into the rectum, but they don't call that.
They never call the tips.
It's got to be full knuckle deep to call it.
unidentified
And that's a problem.
joe rogan
There's a line you have to cross.
Like a finger line.
eddie bravo
Everybody puts the tip in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tip is fine, dude.
eddie bravo
Dude, there's got to be world championships.
I want to see like a super fight.
Like the baddest dudes and do like a countdown show on these guys and how they train.
I want to see that.
I would watch that shit.
joe rogan
Well, there's one thing you have to think about when you do, like, yeah, it's a little weird that they grab each other in the pants, and it's a little weird they're covered in oil, but you must have to be really fucking good at wrestling to control a dude who's greased up.
eddie bravo
We need to get the best motherfucker in that sport and bring him over to the UFC and see what's up.
joe rogan
How good do you think they are?
I mean, are there any real, legit, like, oil wrestler athletes who people are like, this guy is like the bad motherfucker of oil wrestling?
He is like, who's that guy?
eddie bravo
Who's that soccer guy?
unidentified
The Messi.
joe rogan
The Messi.
He's the Ronaldo.
Who's the Michael Phelps?
What is his name?
Leonine?
What is it?
unidentified
Leo.
jamie vernon
Just Leo Messi.
joe rogan
Leo Messi.
That Leo Messi guy who's the baddest motherfucker in soccer.
If there's one of those dudes for oil wrestling, he's just raining down grips.
eddie bravo
There's gotta be.
Who is the Hicks and Gracie of Turkish oil wrestling?
joe rogan
Well, Turkish people are tough people.
You know, it's a tough part of the world.
So you gotta think, it's a long heritage of having like fighting men from Turkey.
They're like known For being like rugged people.
So you gotta think if they know how to...
Like that style of wrestling that they do.
I wonder if it's just one of those things where it's just you invented something a long fucking time ago and it never sort of like caught up.
eddie bravo
I want to know who the Ronda Rousey of hot oil Turkish wrestling is.
I'd watch that right now.
unidentified
I'd pay $49.99 pay-per-view for that shit.
eddie bravo
Female Turkish hot oil wrestling?
joe rogan
That would be insane.
eddie bravo
There's gotta be girls doing it.
joe rogan
There's a market.
eddie bravo
They're probably ugly as fuck.
joe rogan
They don't have to be.
eddie bravo
They'd probably be like, beast.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
They don't have to be, man.
The best ones.
The right promoter.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine a chick just picking?
I think the object of the game is to get that hip lock in, get some kind of ball and socket in between their legs right next to their nuts and lift them up.
And I think if you lift them up, you won.
joe rogan
For sure.
Yeah, for sure.
eddie bravo
There's got to be a Joanna Hajajajic of that sport.
joe rogan
You can't take a dude's pants off if he's beating your ass.
Right?
So if a guy takes your pants off, he's kind of got you.
unidentified
Do you think you could flip him and expose him?
eddie bravo
Maybe it's like an ant, like in case there's a war against the gays, like whoever gets their pants taken down first.
I don't know.
I'm just speculating.
joe rogan
Well, it could be.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
Whoever wins, whoever is the baddest motherfucker at that sport, they have no fear of getting gang raped.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
eddie bravo
Vicious gay dudes.
joe rogan
Especially because there's just...
You never get that oil off your skin.
unidentified
Can you imagine a street gang of gay jiu-jitsu black belts?
eddie bravo
Can you imagine that?
And they taught...
They teach jiu-jitsu to have sex with men.
joe rogan
Okay, what would be scarier?
That or...
eddie bravo
That would be the scariest.
I would way rather go to South Central than West Hollywood.
joe rogan
Would it be a gang of greased up Melvin Manhoofs?
Greased up.
With good takedown defense.
Completely greased up.
eddie bravo
In West Hollywood?
joe rogan
Wherever he wants to go.
He'll go wherever the fuck he wants.
eddie bravo
One dude or a bunch of dudes?
joe rogan
Seven of them.
They look just like Melvin Manhoof.
eddie bravo
And they're looking for dudes to penetrate.
joe rogan
They're Melvin Manhoof clones.
eddie bravo
Okay.
Yeah, that's way scarier than the Mexican gangbangers.
I'll make a beeline for East L.A. any time.
Let's go to East L.A. Fuck that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Greasy wrestling is one thing, but a greasy Melvin Manhoof throwing bombs on you?
eddie bravo
Yes.
And he wants your juicy, precious little rectum.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
That's their goal.
They got big patches of rectums on their denim jackets.
joe rogan
And you can't keep them off you.
He was one of those guys where I met him at the UFC as a kickboxing fan.
I was giddy, man.
I'd come up to him and shake his hand.
Dude, I'm a huge fan.
I'm a huge fan.
eddie bravo
Isn't it weird that he never got into the UFC? That's strange.
joe rogan
Well, he got into Strikeforce and Robbie Lawler had that ridiculously insane KO of him.
Remember that?
eddie bravo
Speaking of Robbie Lawler.
joe rogan
There he is in that Condit fight.
But Melvin Manhoof's highlight reel is ridiculous.
His kickboxing and MMA highlight reel.
The hardest one to watch for me was Sakuraba.
Remember that one?
eddie bravo
What happened?
joe rogan
He beat the shit out of Sakuraba.
It was Sakuraba late in his career.
eddie bravo
And Sakuraba lost?
joe rogan
Oh, it was a horrible loss.
unidentified
Pride?
joe rogan
It was soccer kicks.
eddie bravo
Nice.
joe rogan
Soccer kicks and hammer fists.
eddie bravo
Hey, didn't they take soccer kicks out of 1FC? Didn't you hear about that?
unidentified
Did they?
joe rogan
When was this?
eddie bravo
They changed it.
They took it out.
joe rogan
When did they do this?
eddie bravo
Unless it's some hoax, but I think I read that, that 1FC, that's the thing that separated him from the UFC. Like, at least in 1FC, it was kind of pride-ish.
joe rogan
But they had that weird rule where they had to call it.
I feel like Tate had this point first, and I've never heard anybody accurately refute it, that the problem with stomps and soccer kicks in a ring...
In a cage, rather, is that you can't get out away from them like you do in a ring.
Like, the cage becomes a problem.
Like, you get trapped.
You can get caught in a couple spots in the ring, but you should be able to move your head out of the way enough to compensate for wherever the ring posts are.
Yeah.
The idea of getting stuck in the cage where you can't move and then getting kneed to the head where the environment becomes too big of a factor.
And I thought about what he said and I said that makes a lot of sense.
eddie bravo
A skull could crush.
Could be just squashed.
joe rogan
Think about what Michael Page did to Cyborg and think of someone doing that to someone's face in the UFC. Pinned against the fence.
Yeah.
See someone's face caved in.
What if they cheat?
What if someone cheats in the heat of the battle?
Maybe they don't even realize they did it, but they grab that fence, and it helps them drive that knee down.
You know?
That's happened before.
If you got a guy who's almost unconscious, and he's on his way out, and you grab the fence, and you smash your knee down with all your body, you get your hips up in the air, like George St. Pierre when he fought Matt Serra in the rematch in Montreal.
Remember that?
Those knees to the body from side control just go deep with those knees.
Boom!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
If a guy does that to a guy on the ground, and he's actually holding the fence, that's a terrible place to be.
There's nowhere to go.
Everything's just getting absorbed.
It's the worst way ever to get hit.
It's almost like an argument for not having a cage.
I've said this before, and people think I'm an idiot, and they're probably right some of the time, but I think that MMA should be in a basketball-sized place.
You know you have a basketball court, and you're watching the game?
I really think MMA should be a flat, padded area with no fence.
And they should go at it in a large area.
So there's plenty of room to move around.
There's no excuse to go into the crowd.
unidentified
I like that.
joe rogan
That's how they should do it.
So takedowns, defense, submissions.
There's no getting off the fence and pushing off of it and flipping over and getting out of positions.
Everything will take place on a flat, neutral ground.
And I think you're going to find a lot of fucking people are going to have a real hard time with wrestlers.
Real hard time with wrestlers.
Like, real elite wrestlers when they keep driving forward and you can only go back so much.
You know, there's no cage anymore.
You can't push off the cage.
eddie bravo
How about...
Again, this is all fantasy.
How about somebody, maybe you, maybe someone else with...
brendan schaub
They could financially put it together.
Go to some goddamn Indian reservation when you can do anything you want.
eddie bravo
Put together a show.
Put together a show.
One show.
It doesn't have to be Elite Fighters.
You don't have to put that much.
Put together a show.
brendan schaub
You've got to show them how it's done.
eddie bravo
Because one thing I learned with EBI is when I was presenting the overtime rules and all that to everybody, nobody even thought it was cool for a second.
brendan schaub
I talked a lot.
joe rogan
Let me explain EBI for people to know what we're talking about.
EBI is Eddie Bravo Invitational.
Eddie Bravo's probably got the greatest jiu-jitsu tournament in the world as far as professional jiu-jitsu because of these rules that you implemented.
eddie bravo
September 11th is our next show.
Gordon Ryan.
September 11th on UFC Fight Pass or you can see it live at the Orpheum.
Get your tickets at ebiofficial.com.
joe rogan
Donaher just sent me a text that Keenan Cornelius and Ryan Gordon went 90 minutes and Ryan Gordon submitted him with a heel off.
He's been doing jiu-jitsu like four and a half years.
brendan schaub
Gordon Ryan, yes.
joe rogan
That's insane.
brendan schaub
I don't know about four and a half.
I think it's about five.
eddie bravo
Something ridiculous.
joe rogan
Let's say it's six.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Gordon Ryan.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
Gordon Ryan, he won the EBI absolute.
He could be the best jujitsu fighter pound for pound in the world right now.
unidentified
That's insane.
eddie bravo
He won the absolute.
He beat Yuri Samoz.
He beat Rustem Chizyev, who's a fucking Russian assassin.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
That guy's a gorilla.
He's like literally a gorilla.
eddie bravo
EBI 6 was crazy.
brendan schaub
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
eddie bravo
And the finals, the kid who's been training five years, the Wiz kid, Gordon Ryan, versus the Russian Bear.
Russian Bear taking out everybody on one side.
Gordon Ryan, the kid, taking out everybody on this side.
And then they met in the finals in EBI 6. The next show, EBI 7, Gordon Ryan, we're doing the 185. That was absolute.
This is the middleweight.
Gordon Ryan, that's his true weight, 185. But anyways, enough with that show.
The rules, though, when I presented the overtime rules, I have special overtime rules that are based on submission and not based on takedowns.
It's all about the submission at EBI. But when I first presented...
I presented that to different promoters.
Nobody wanted to hear it.
They didn't even entertain.
They thought it was too crazy.
But now that we put together seven shows, now those same people are going, oh shit, it's legit.
So everyone jumped on board and people agreed.
joe rogan
It's the best way.
It's the best way to do tournaments.
It really is because it forces action.
You can't stall.
You're starting out in a bad position at the end.
When you go into the overtime, The fight's about to start and I don't want to interrupt this fight.
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Let's watch the fight.
We'll talk about EBI afterwards.
We'll hold, please.
eddie bravo
Carlos Condon, Damian Maia.
Shit, I have no fucking eye goddamn dia.
joe rogan
For me, it's all about whether Damien Maia, I mean this is duh, but it's all about whether or not Damien Maia can get ahold of him.
If Damien Maia can get ahold of him, he's so big at 170, dude, he's so strong, and his jiu-jitsu is so good.
His jiu-jitsu is so pretty.
When he choked out Neil Magny, I remember watching his transition, I'm like, this guy is a fucking master.
He's a master.
The way he's getting the back, like, remember when he choked out Rick's story?
He just clings to him like glue, drags him into deep water, and sinks their boat, like that.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he keeps getting better with his jiu-jitsu.
It, uh...
joe rogan
Do you see what Donaher wrote about him this week?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
All accurate.
joe rogan
Brilliant.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Damon Meyer probably has, in the UFC, he's probably the best jiu-jitsu player.
He has the best MMA jiu-jitsu.
Totally different.
MMA jiu-jitsu and no-gi jiu-jitsu is just as different as no-gi jiu-jitsu and gi jiu-jitsu.
It's just as different.
It's so different when someone is trying to punch you and elbow you and everything's all greasy and slippery and slidey.
It's so different.
If you think that's the same as training in a gi, you're just, man...
brendan schaub
I don't know what to say.
eddie bravo
Maybe you're just misinformed, but it's so different.
brendan schaub
Damon Maia has made that transition.
eddie bravo
Right away, he was really good at MMA Jiu-Jitsu.
Right away, he was doing some half-guard stuff in the UFC that was very, very effective.
brendan schaub
This was back in the day, years and years ago.
eddie bravo
But even as good as he was, he was one of the top guys to make the transition initially.
Even as good as he was, he continued to evolve and his jiu-jitsu now is better than ever on the ground.
But, that being said, Carlos Condon is very good on the ground.
Even if Damon Maia does take him down, he might not be able to pass Carlos Condon's guard.
He might not be able to pass it.
joe rogan
We're not sure.
Well, I think the big danger is in the stand-up because Carlos throws some nasty elbows.
And you got to think he stopped Tiago Alves recently.
Looked real good in that fight.
Stopped him with that stepping-in elbow.
He's nasty, dude.
Very dangerous striker.
So Damian Myers has got to close that distance.
I think Damien Maia at 170 is a different beast.
He's so goddamn big.
And his striking has gotten himself to a point where he's not trying to be a striker, but he's good enough at striking that his distance is good.
See right there?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
His comfort level and his distance are very high.
So because of that, and he's not taking any big chances, he's really just kind of like, yeah, that's what he's doing right there.
Closing that distance like a fucking cat.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
joe rogan
The dragon conned it to the ground.
eddie bravo
Let's see what he does here, though.
joe rogan
And he's been able to do this to everybody he fights.
Matt Brown, who's a beast on the ground.
He did it to him.
He crushed Neil Magny this way.
He's a totally different animal when it comes to his level of pressure in jiu-jitsu.
He's on another planet.
I mean, and he is really better at 38 than he's ever been before, including with his, like, submissions and his transitions.
eddie bravo
And his striking, like you said.
joe rogan
Everything.
eddie bravo
Like, not just his distance, but he could get in there and take some fire, take some shots, and it's no big deal.
joe rogan
Look at that pass.
Beautiful.
But he's not trying to.
eddie bravo
So far, so good.
Now he's in top half.
brendan schaub
That's a 50-yard pass right there.
He got into top half.
He's not totally passed, but look at this passing.
eddie bravo
Now he's in three-quarter mount.
Now he's got the back.
joe rogan
Perfect position.
Perfect position there to get the back.
God, he's so good.
eddie bravo
The understanding of top half right there, that position as opposed to just regular half guard, man, when you really understand how important mastering that position is, that's why he's where he's at right now.
Just have top half.
joe rogan
He's going for it right here, man.
eddie bravo
It's over.
joe rogan
He's going for it right here.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's done.
eddie bravo
He's got him.
joe rogan
Condit's done.
He's done.
He's gonna choke him out right over his face, man.
eddie bravo
It's over.
unidentified
He's going to sleep.
joe rogan
He went to sleep.
He's out.
He's out!
Wow.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Wow.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
Carlos Condit.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
He went right through him like Marcelo Garcia would've.
joe rogan
Dude, Damian Maia is something special.
He's something special.
eddie bravo
Goddamn.
joe rogan
He's something special.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
That jiu-jitsu is on a completely different level.
That's some Hicks and Gracie shit right there.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we always wanted to see from Hickson.
eddie bravo
You know what I'm saying?
Finally, after all these years, he's so adjusted.
He made the transition 100% from the Gi to MMA Jiu Jitsu.
He understands that the key was how he took it bit by bit.
Bit by bit, he takes him down and he's in his guard.
He's in his guard right here.
You know, he's in his regular guard right here.
brendan schaub
There's no top half yet, but all he was fighting for here was top half.
eddie bravo
They're not showing it here, all that in-between shit that made this possible.
Look how he cinch it up there.
joe rogan
The guy keeps tightening it up.
He knows he's got that squeeze.
eddie bravo
And he's developed that world-class Marcello squeeze right there.
That takes time to develop.
joe rogan
Look at this.
He's like barely there while he's tapping.
eddie bravo
But the way he got his back was all based on his knowledge of that top half position.
It was all based on that because he didn't try to pass all at once.
He passed halfway.
His leg was still stuck.
And then he never passed totally.
He never passed the fucking guard.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
He went from top half and he realized that if you got a good top half position, you could turn while you're facing the legs.
joe rogan
You make him think you're going to mount him and the guy gives up his back.
That's what he did, right?
eddie bravo
Well, yes.
brendan schaub
Well, exactly.
eddie bravo
But he never passed his guard in the sense where he was in regular half guard with a little shield, and then he fought for that inside position, top half.
And then from top half, as long as that leg that's caught, as long as the knee is free, you don't even have to pass the guard.
You drive it down.
Now you're in a three-quarter mount.
And once you're in three-quarter mount in MMA... It wouldn't happen as easily in grappling without punches, but when he's in three-quarter mount, as soon as you start punching, he turns to his back.
You never passed the guard.
You never got inside control.
You went from top half to three-quarter mount to the back.
That's what the punches do.
So that path right there becomes so important MMA for jujitsu guys.
That is so huge to understand that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Let me ask you this, because we've talked about this before.
If they did make the back of the head legal, like they used to in the old days, like when Henzo Gracie fought that guy, Ben Strikers.
Remember that?
He fought that judo guy, took his back, and just blasted him with elbows to the back of the head.
eddie bravo
Those early battle cage shows where John Lewis would get a guy's back.
He would just put his leg hooks in.
The guy would be in a turtle position.
He'd get his leg hooks.
And rear naked chokes, I remember saying, telling people, before they banned those strikes to the back of the head, I remember saying, rear naked chokes are so not important.
What's important is getting the back control, putting your leg hooks in, getting good at riding and not slipping off, and just throwing fucking elbows.
Rear naked choke is like if you want to be nice to the guy.
You don't even need it.
It's totally optional.
The game is getting a guy's back and battering him with elbows in the back of the head.
That's how fights were ending instantly.
Instantly.
If those back of the elbow strikes were legal today, Man, UFCs would be a lot shorter.
They would be bringing in them prelims.
They would have fucking 17 prelims.
You know what I'm saying?
Because if you factor in all the time someone had someone's back and the fight didn't end because they weren't allowed to strike, Man, there'd be short-ass fights everywhere.
joe rogan
It's true because I guess medically it's really dangerous.
eddie bravo
I guess.
But isn't that kick to the back of the head the same thing?
No one's jumping up and down for that.
joe rogan
But also, how much more dangerous is it than getting your eye socket blown in like we saw in that Barboza fight or that Pettis fight with Charles Oliveira?
God damn.
Damian Maez.
What I was saying before is that this is what we always wanted from Hickson.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
We wanted a guy who could do like the kind of jiu-jitsu that we knew existed out there in the world.
We wanted to see it in MMA. Whereas the MMA jiu-jitsu you'd see like great flashes.
Occasionally you get a guy like Jocko Ray or someone who's like real high levels fighting in MMA. But the highest level expression of it is this guy right now.
In MMA? I mean, who the fuck's got tighter, better, more world-class jiu-jitsu in MMA right now than Damian Maia?
It's hard to argue.
eddie bravo
Jacare's right up there with him.
joe rogan
He's right up there.
brendan schaub
Jacare could do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so could Hodger.
brendan schaub
I mean, isn't Jacare 170 or is he 185?
joe rogan
He's 185. Okay.
It's a different weight class.
Yeah.
But, you know, that level is just so intense and so extreme.
eddie bravo
It was a long road for Damien Maia because in the beginning, he knew he came from a solid jiu-jitsu background, world champion.
I think he was an Abu Dhabi.
He was an elite...
brendan schaub
A jiu-jitsu player who got into MMA and right away, like most jiu-jitsu guys and most wrestlers that get into MMA, they're thinking, fuck, the worst nightmare is getting taken out in a stretcher by someone, like a head kick.
That's the worst nightmare.
eddie bravo
So let me take care of my striking.
They get involved in a striking and Damien Maia, he got his footwork together fairly soon and he was like up there when he's fighting with Anderson Silva, you know, but he obviously wasn't complete as a striker, but you can tell he made a lot of improvements, but he still had a lot.
A lot of work to do.
brendan schaub
Now, seven years later, he stuck with it.
eddie bravo
He didn't quit.
brendan schaub
He stuck with it.
eddie bravo
A lot of guys, you know, and I'm not knocking them.
I understand.
A lot of guys, a lot of jiu-jitsu guys, they peep into MMA, they fuck with it for a year or two, three, and then like...
There's way too much...
I gotta walk through too much fire to get where Damien Maia is.
brendan schaub
So a lot of top jiu-jitsu guys will dip in and they'll go, you know what?
eddie bravo
What do I need to do all this shit for?
I'm already known as a jiu-jitsu guy.
I'm just gonna teach jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Fuck this MMA shit.
eddie bravo
What Damien Maia did is what only a handful of these world-class jiu-jitsu players are doing.
They're just fucking walking through the fire.
They keep going.
They keep going.
They just fucking don't quit.
And eventually, they become legit strikers.
They got eight years of striking, 10 years of striking under their belt.
You're a legit striker now.
You're not just a BJJ world champion.
Very few stick it out.
Damien Maia stuck it out.
And now, man, he's got to the point now.
It's Almost like, based on his model, it's almost like you take a world-class jiu-jitsu player and he wants to do MMA and he asks you, what do you think?
You'd say, dude, if you could hang in there for eight solid years, no matter how many times you lose, you just keep going forward, know that you're going to get shut off a couple times, try to eliminate that as much as possible, and just keep going no matter what happens.
Just get to the eight-year mark, and as long as you spent those last eight years...
Always remaining a student, always learning, training your motherfucking ass off in all aspects of the fighting game, remaining open-minded, constantly adding weapons, right down to the weapon.
No matter what happens, win or lose, as long as you're in the mix at the round of eight, nine, ten year mark, you're going to be fucking Damien.
You're going to be in that Damien Maier realm right there.
He figured it out.
He kept going, and now we're talking about Damien Myers, one of the scariest guys out there.
We weren't doing that as much four or five years ago.
He stuck it out.
He wasn't worried about the wins and losses.
He just kept his head down, kept grinding, boom, and look what happened.
joe rogan
He also completely devoted himself to fighting jiu-jitsu.
He didn't try to be a kickboxer anymore.
He was just trying to enforce his jiu-jitsu on guys.
eddie bravo
He did have that phase where he was trying to...
But if you look at it as a learning, that was a perfect thing for him to do.
Maybe in 200 years we're going to look back and based on all these guys like Damien Meyer, we're going to go, okay, we need three or four fights where you just stand no matter what.
You're just standing.
You have to know that you can stand in there if you have to.
We've got to go through that.
You can't be trying to take a guy down every goddamn fight.
You've got to walk through the fire, win or lose.
You're going to get caught.
Hopefully you don't get caught and hopefully you end up being one of those guys that Crushes people.
We're like, oh shit, stay standing.
But you gotta walk through that.
Win or lose, you gotta walk through that.
You gotta stand with everybody.
You can't be afraid.
I think that's what George Urgell was going through.
Because George Urgell was one of those guys who's a jiu-jitsu black belt.
He comes in and he fucking doesn't want to go to the ground.
And he's out there in the cage fucking throwing down in these epic wars.
He won some, he lost some.
But you know what?
One thing about George Urgell is he's fucking...
He was furious.
He didn't give a shit.
He had a black belt in jiu-jitsu and was willing to stand with anybody.
Some people think that wasn't the best decision.
joe rogan
He had good kickboxing, too, though.
unidentified
Regardless.
joe rogan
He wasn't standing because he wasn't good at it.
eddie bravo
George Ruzel is one of those guys.
brendan schaub
I think if he would have just kept going, at this point, can you imagine if he would have just kept going?
George Ruzel could have been like Damien Maia.
eddie bravo
He could have been just like that.
But you've got to have...
Man, you gotta have the vision to see that shit, because a lot of guys just, it's way too much goddamn work, brain damage, and I gotta kick box, fuck kick, I'm gonna get knocked, I got shot out.
Maybe there's been Brazilian Jiu Jitsu world champions that have tried to do MMA, and dude, their first five fights are like three shutoffs, and they're just getting crushed.
I don't want to name any names.
That's a good reason to just say, you know what, let me stick with Jiu Jitsu.
brendan schaub
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, with some all-time greats.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there's some all-time greats who got in from jiu-jitsu and got into MMA, only had one or two fights, and they were like, fuck this.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
I don't blame them.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
Look at me.
I never fucking did MMA. I'm like, uh-uh.
joe rogan
But it's like what we were talking about when it came to women's volleyball.
It's weird what sports become...
I hate that.
It's weird what sports become a sport where you can make money, and which ones don't.
It would be wonderful if submission grappling by itself became a sport where there was a real obvious transition between amateur level to being a professional.
Like MMA? Like getting an MMA? Or even wrestling wrestling.
How is it that golf is like this super giganto sport?
eddie bravo
It's the media.
joe rogan
I understand people enjoy it.
Don't get me wrong.
eddie bravo
He who controls the media.
joe rogan
I'm not dissing golf.
I know people love that shit.
But how is that...
A professional sport, but not wrestling, actual wrestling.
Can you watch how difficult it is for actual wrestling?
Sorry, didn't make it.
Didn't make it.
What about basketball?
Basketball made it.
Basketball guys have mansions, and they live in, but we're both in the Olympics.
Yeah, but nobody wants to see you.
You're only here because we're nice to you.
eddie bravo
It's crazy, right?
brendan schaub
I bet if someone got behind female wrestling, I bet it'd be fucking huge.
joe rogan
Well, they tried it for a while.
They had an actual wrestling event with wrestling rules.
You remember that?
It was a professional...
I think they called it real pro wrestling or something like that.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
But it was actual...
Goddammit.
See if you can find out.
It was fairly recently, like within the last decade or so.
eddie bravo
The problem with wrestling I see crossing over to the mainstream is...
The glaring problems in wrestling when transitioning to MMA. In wrestling, it's totally okay to give your back.
It's like you give your back to win fights and to prevent losses.
You give your back.
So when you see that and you see two guys wrestling and a guy's flat on his face and then a guy's on his back...
We've seen too many UFCs.
We just know that is not right.
But I think if they made like a hybrid of wrestling and judo, you could call it no-gi judo because although wrestling is closer to MMA because it's no-gi, you know, and there's no grabbing clothes and shit, that's closer.
But you aren't giving the back, so that's fucked up.
In judo, Yes, it's further away from MMA in the sense that there's a gi and they're playing tug-of-war with the collars and the sleeves and all that.
But when they get a takedown in judo, they're allowed like 30 seconds on the ground to go for submissions.
So some guys get really good at arm bars.
You don't have to.
It's like extra.
If you do judo and you never work on arm bars, you're fine.
The most important thing is that front line.
What's going to happen in that front line?
In judo, submissions are like gravy.
brendan schaub
You could be good at...
eddie bravo
Some guys are...
Get really good at arm bars.
Like Shinya Yoki, for instance, in Judo, when he wrestled nationally in Japan, he was known not as a takedown guy, although his takedowns are really good, obviously, because he's a black belt in Judo, but he was known for flying arm bars in Judo.
Totally unnecessary.
joe rogan
What is the rule in Judo?
How quickly do you have to go to a submission once you're scrambling on the ground?
eddie bravo
I don't know it specifically or technically.
brendan schaub
All I know is they give you time for submissions and they allow submissions.
eddie bravo
And in wrestling, they don't.
But if you combined, for the sake of MMA, for the sake of creating the ultimate takedown system geared directly for MMA, I think you would have to go with a no-gi judo style.
Like, it's part wrestling, part judo.
brendan schaub
Like, you take the rules of judo...
joe rogan
Combine them all with oil in those pants, and then we got the sport.
eddie bravo
And you allow...
Grabbing of the shaft because that's more realistic.
joe rogan
What the fuck is this, Jamie?
What are you showing us?
What are you showing us?
jamie vernon
The fights are over on Fox.
They probably switched it over.
unidentified
I thought this was an animal video you just put up.
joe rogan
What is this?
A ferret or something?
Running around this lawn.
It picked up an egg.
eddie bravo
I gotta take a quick piss.
joe rogan
Yeah, go ahead.
I was like, what is Jamie showing me?
Is this like breaking news?
This is indeed a Zika virus virus.
Ridden, ferret.
jamie vernon
I was thinking when you're talking about the high-paid athletes, they haven't always been high-paid though.
It's a good question.
I mean, it's a good point.
Their last 30 years, there's been big revenue sharing.
joe rogan
I don't know when sports became huge, though.
I know the Yankees were huge back in the Diz-A, you know, the old-time days.
jamie vernon
TV money, I think, is where a lot of it came from.
joe rogan
Right.
When did football become, like, the biggest thing in the world?
Was it in the 50s?
When did it really bloom?
It started in the 50s.
It's not amazing.
jamie vernon
It's like 50 years ago.
joe rogan
That's amazing that the Super Bowl is only that.
I mean, would you say 50 years?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think it's like 51 or 52. That's incredible.
It's like 55. They're not that deep into it.
joe rogan
That's really incredible when you think about it, because it seems like inexorable.
It seems like you couldn't pull that out of America.
Like, if you tried to pull football out of America, people would be like, you ain't even American!
It's only been around for like a fraction of America.
jamie vernon
Some people think baseball's dying, but it's making just as much money as it ever has.
joe rogan
But the problem with football is now we know it fucks your head up.
And I'm sure the case is the same or similar with MMA. And I'm sure it's the same or similar with a lot of different high-impact combat sports, boxing, kickboxing.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it, but...
The fact that that's our number one sport, and it's a sport we know, you're getting lit up all the time.
Bong!
Dudes are crashing into each other.
Bong!
jamie vernon
Last time we talked about this, some people sent us some videos of people playing football.
It looked like high-level football without pads.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's going on now, right?
Yeah, you can drink.
eddie bravo
You allow him to drink?
joe rogan
Yes, he can drink.
So, yeah, that's interesting, man, because I wonder at what point in time do they say, look, it is just a fact of the game.
People are going to get hurt.
Let's just accept the fact.
jamie vernon
People still want to watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's just accept the fact.
And these gentlemen should get paid a significant amount of money, you know?
I mean, I guess.
jamie vernon
I mean, it's just the revenue sharing.
I just looked something up real quick, just really quick.
Baseball, MLB, and NFL both are getting over $3 billion a year that they're sharing with their players.
Who knows how much it is in fighting, but the share isn't.
joe rogan
Baseball is totally different.
Because baseball, you're not getting hurt.
Like, the football thing is a total...
I mean, you obviously have the potential to get hurt.
You could definitely get hit by a pitch.
When I was a kid, man, that was that...
What was his name?
Tony C? That guy that died.
He got hit by a pitch.
I believe he was a Boston Red Sox player.
And he got hit with a pitch.
And got really badly, badly hurt by the pitch.
Tony...
Conigliaro?
Is that it?
Conigliari or O? R-O. R-O, yeah.
That was a big thing when I was a kid.
Like, I remember thinking, whoa, you can get that fucked up by a pitch that you're never the same again?
Guys getting hit by fastballs, it was no joke.
And you have to think, what kind of helmets did they have in the beginning?
Do they have no helmets at all?
You know?
What kind of helmets did they have in baseball?
eddie bravo
Like a regular...
brendan schaub
They're almost like football helmets.
joe rogan
Now they do.
But when did they come up with those?
jamie vernon
Not until...
brendan schaub
They made Little League baseball players wear them all the time, but I guess they always made professionals wear helmets.
joe rogan
I gotta pee too.
You guys talk this out.
jamie vernon
No, because in hockey, when I was younger, there were players that didn't have to wear helmets.
And there's even guys now that don't have to wear a face mask.
brendan schaub
I remember that in hockey.
eddie bravo
Wearing a helmet meant you were a pussy or something, right?
brendan schaub
In hockey.
eddie bravo
But then little by little...
jamie vernon
Dude, there's got to be a movie about that guy.
eddie bravo
The first guy that wore the helmet and all the persecution he got.
He must have had a good excuse.
brendan schaub
He probably had some kind of head trauma where like, dude, I gotta wear a helmet.
eddie bravo
One more hit and I'm a vegetable.
jamie vernon
Well, where I'm from in Ohio, I think it was the first place in an NHL game that someone died in the crowd because a puck came flying into the crowd.
A little girl died.
eddie bravo
She got hit by a puck?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
Nets up all around the outside so it doesn't happen anymore.
eddie bravo
Did it happen every now and then?
jamie vernon
Catching a puck at a game used to be a thing, sort of like a foul ball.
They used to come flying in and keep your eyes open because shit happens.
brendan schaub
How many people get fucked up from foul balls?
eddie bravo
I always wondered, like line drives and shit?
jamie vernon
Old people, I've seen them come flying at people's heads.
brendan schaub
Has anybody ever had serious head trauma?
jamie vernon
Yeah, broken bats have come flying into the crowd too.
eddie bravo
Shit.
jamie vernon
With sharp flying ass.
eddie bravo
Anybody get stabbed in the eye with a bat?
jamie vernon
I'll look up a bat.
eddie bravo
Damn.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's definitely happened.
brendan schaub
How often do people get fucked up at baseball games, like in the audience?
eddie bravo
You know, like foul balls and shit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they get hurt, man.
eddie bravo
Some of them line dry foul balls and go right through someone's fucking forehead.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and how about bats?
They get hit with bats.
Bats are real scary.
Don't you fucking put that evil on me, Jamie Varner.
jamie vernon
It's not a video.
It's just a picture of it.
joe rogan
People get dragged out?
I don't want to see it, man.
Baseball is a hard fucking rock.
It's a rock with a piece of fucking leather over it.
jamie vernon
They're all dangerous.
It's just sort of what adds some of the risk and excitement to it.
There's something bad that can't happen.
unidentified
It doesn't usually happen.
joe rogan
Yo, dude, you wouldn't want to get hit in the head with a softball.
Fuck a baseball.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wouldn't want to get hit in the head with a basketball.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
jamie vernon
Or in those flying...
They'd jump into the crowd and land on you and fuck up not only your clothes, but, like, they could break your leg or hurt a person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People go, why didn't you get hit?
Because I'm not stupid.
And I'm a pussy.
Okay?
You happy?
I don't want to get hit by a fucking baseball.
If I went to a baseball game, I'd be like an armored knight.
I'd have a shield and shit.
I'd be looking through the shield.
jamie vernon
You walked out when I said it.
In Columbus, where I'm from, I think it was one of the first times it happened.
A hockey puck went flying into the crowd and it killed a little girl.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
So they had to start putting nets up around.
And I think it started happening, too.
And they've extended it in baseball.
Now they're extending the nets where people...
eddie bravo
Jamie Joe doesn't want to hear that.
joe rogan
It bums me out, man.
You put that evil on me, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Come on.
Do you cry during movies and stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm a pussy.
If it's a good movie.
I've always been very emotional, both up and down.
Very passionate.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm a big fucking crier, dude.
Are you kidding?
brendan schaub
I remember being 16 and I got pulled over by the cops.
eddie bravo
Fuck!
brendan schaub
We were leaving a party Me and my friend Willie, we're leaving a party.
eddie bravo
He smoked weed.
I didn't.
I was against weed.
I'm 16. We're at a fucking high school party that gets broken up by the cops.
We're fucking drunk.
We're hammered and I'm driving.
I didn't give a shit.
Drunk driving.
I should be dead right now.
brendan schaub
I should be totally dead.
joe rogan
This is all fiction.
None of this actually happened.
eddie bravo
So I'm sitting in...
I turn on the car, me and Willie.
As soon as I turn on the car, a fucking cop right here just waiting for me comes up.
I'm like, oh shit, I'm fucked up.
And I was drunk.
I rolled down the window.
He pulled us out of the car.
I'm already crying and shaking.
I'm like by the car, I'm crying and shaking.
Willie's like kind of cool like that.
And I'm crying and shaking.
And then the cop pulls out.
He searches my car.
brendan schaub
And I just tell him the truth.
eddie bravo
They said, what's this cooler back here?
And I said, it's...
It's a wine coolers because I drank wine coolers.
brendan schaub
I was a big pussy.
eddie bravo
Everyone drank beer, but I was the pussy that drank wine coolers.
I didn't care.
joe rogan
They taste better.
eddie bravo
I didn't care.
I'm drinking.
So I had a cooler filled with wine coolers.
And he goes, what's in that?
And I said, wine coolers.
brendan schaub
I just admitted to him.
eddie bravo
I'm like, I've been drinking.
I got admitted.
I'm drunk.
I started crying.
I was just crying like a fucking little bitch.
And then he pulls out my ashtray and there's all this brown ash stuff that to this day I don't know what it is.
And he pulls out and goes, what is this?
unidentified
I looked at it and I was, it's weed, it's marijuana.
eddie bravo
And it wasn't, but I didn't even know what weed and marijuana looked like.
I didn't even know.
But he goes, that's weed and marijuana.
I go, yeah, it's weed and marijuana.
It's his.
I'm crying, throwing my friend under the bus.
And it was obviously not weed.
What was it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Some kind of ash.
I was so stupid.
I'm crying.
Admitting to the cops, yes, I've been drinking.
I'm drunk.
And that's marijuana.
And he's sitting there thinking, that's not marijuana, but he's saying it's marijuana.
They were confused.
You know what they did?
brendan schaub
They said, get in your car and go home.
eddie bravo
They didn't arrest me or anything.
They said, get in your car and get the fuck out of here.
I confessed everything.
brendan schaub
I confessed too much.
eddie bravo
They didn't know what to do with me.
I told them I was drinking and drunk, and they let me go.
joe rogan
You told them that something wasn't pot, or it was pot when it wasn't pot, and they knew it wasn't pot.
eddie bravo
And I'm crying.
joe rogan
They're like, this kid's crazy.
eddie bravo
It's Meryl.
It's weed.
And they go, what?
joe rogan
They probably just saw you and saw just a gang of paperwork.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
They're like, this dude's too much work.
eddie bravo
They let me drive, dude.
They let me drive.
They were so confused.
I told them I was drunk, and they let a 16-year-old boy drive home.
unidentified
Did they follow you at least?
eddie bravo
That was the coolest cop ever.
joe rogan
Did they follow you at least?
eddie bravo
No, I don't know.
I just fucking drove home.
joe rogan
That's that Peter Parker Spider-Man thing, though.
Like, what if the cop lets you go and you kill somebody?
Do you know that story?
No.
It's really fascinating because I'm sure Joseph Campbell would say that it's in, you know, one of those hero's journeys that he talks about, but in Spider-Man, Peter Parker, who's this scientist kid, gets bitten by this radioactive spider, and he gains these superpowers.
And he's sort of realizing he gains these superpowers, and he's headed towards his...
Was it his grandparents that he lived with?
Or his aunt and his uncle?
Was it his aunt and his uncle?
And they were taking care of him.
And along the way, he ran into some robber.
And he let the robber go.
eddie bravo
This is the story of Spider-Man?
joe rogan
Yes.
He's like, this is not my business.
The robber kills his uncle.
So he had the opportunity to stop the robber, and he didn't do anything, and his uncle died.
And so now he takes care of his aunt, and he's fucking Spider-Man.
He's pissed.
So he puts a mask on, he uses his powers now, and stops crime all around, where are they, Gotham?
eddie bravo
Oh, that makes sense.
So that's why he's obsessed with it.
unidentified
He's in New York.
joe rogan
Yeah, he says, my fault, my fault.
eddie bravo
Oh.
joe rogan
All my fault.
If I'd only stopped him when I could have, but I didn't, and now my Uncle Ben is dead.
eddie bravo
Hey, I didn't know the backstory.
You know me.
I've said it several times.
I hate superhero movies.
I can't fucking stand them, but guess what?
I'm addicted to Gotham.
Fucking love the backstory of Batman.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Are you kidding me?
Have you seen it?
joe rogan
No.
Is it a show?
Is it a Netflix show?
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
I'm scared.
eddie bravo
Dude.
It's the backstory of Batman.
It's Batman as a kid.
joe rogan
I don't have that time.
eddie bravo
Oh, it's so good.
Okay, I'll watch it.
And I hate, I hate superheroes.
But all of a sudden, knowing the backstory of all the villains, the Joker, you get all their backstory, how it all happened, how it all went down.
It's so good.
I fucking love it.
It's like the mob runs Gotham City.
The mob just fucking runs the police, everybody.
It's the most corrupt city ever in the entire world.
That's the most corrupt city.
Cops don't...
There's just some motherfuckers you just don't investigate.
Because you'll die.
It's so corrupt.
It's basically about him as a kid, but mostly about Gordon, Commissioner Gordon.
Batman's a kid.
He's like 12, but he's a super genius, and his parents got killed.
brendan schaub
He's a super billionaire as well.
eddie bravo
His parents got killed right in front of him.
He spends his whole life trying to find the people that killed his parents.
And that's how he becomes Batman, is trying to In Gotham.
It's fucking good!
joe rogan
You know, I was thinking while you were telling me this, imagine if you lived in a world that looked like those fucking Batman movies look.
Like all gray and gloomy and dark.
eddie bravo
They're trying to make it super realistic.
They're trying to, like, how are these guys, how do they end up in these fucking tights and these outfits?
They're showing how it's happening in crime.
joe rogan
Right.
But what I'm saying is when you watch those movies, they're trying to make it believable.
But you know what I'm saying?
It's always like gloomy and dark and black.
Like if you lived in that world, what kind of happiness do you think, what level of happiness do you think people would find in a world where it never got sunny?
eddie bravo
It's all shot like that too.
It's all like real.
It's like Game of Thrones production.
The lighting is, every shot is magical.
It isn't like when you watch like The Office, they don't even shit about the shot, you know, but the shot.
You don't think they do?
Not like Game of Thrones style.
joe rogan
They're trying to make it look magical.
eddie bravo
Everything's epic.
joe rogan
It's not as much of a feature.
eddie bravo
It's epic.
Like every shot, they spend a lot of time on the lighting.
It's shot amazing.
It's a great story.
It makes a guy who hates superheroes fuck.
I'm addicted.
brendan schaub
I love Batman now.
eddie bravo
I'm into Batman.
joe rogan
If we all lived in a world where it was that dark and gloomy, I bet we would be miserable as fuck.
I bet it would be super hard.
It's super hard for people to feel good.
We're so tuned in to wanting that light on our face.
It's amazing, man.
It's amazing.
eddie bravo
You know why I started watching?
I would have never started watching, but I have a friend who's a conspiracy theorist dude.
brendan schaub
His name is Rye Dawson.
eddie bravo
He lives in Japan.
Some American guy.
brendan schaub
He's a JFK and 9-11 expert.
eddie bravo
He spends his whole life on those two things.
joe rogan
Must be an awesome dude now.
eddie bravo
And he goes, you want to know how shit really is run?
Because watch Gotham.
If you watch Gotham, that's how it's run exactly.
And I said, really?
He goes, that's how it's run.
So I'm watching it going, shit.
It's all based on money.
Everything is based on money.
You could just follow the money.
When you follow the money, all you need is...
Well, anyways, you know what...
What do you think of Michio Kako?
Is he a...
joe rogan
He's a brilliant physicist.
eddie bravo
Totally, right?
joe rogan
Interesting guy.
He's got some interesting things to say about a lot of different things.
But what I would say is...
eddie bravo
Has he been on your show?
joe rogan
No, no.
I've been with him on Opie and Anthony's show that I was asking him about mushrooms.
eddie bravo
You've been on a show with him?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh shit, how was that?
joe rogan
I was calling in, man, and I just bombed him with some mushrooms questions.
eddie bravo
What did he say?
joe rogan
Oh, he called in?
Maybe he called in and I was there?
I forget how it worked.
eddie bravo
I forget.
You think Michio Kaku smokes weed?
joe rogan
Negative.
Negative, sir.
Negative does not do any drugs, because I asked him.
You asked him?
On the show?
I asked him about psychedelics, yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
What did he say?
Yeah, I asked him about mushrooms.
He said, well, we're not trying to give ourselves brain damage.
We're trying to get smarter.
It was one of those like, look, man, that guy's like a paid science educator, right?
Okay, what he does is try to spread science all over the world.
And when you're in that realm, you need funding for stuff.
You need people to green light your TV projects.
You've got to avoid criticism at all costs.
And any...
Any time you're saying that it's probably a good idea to do certain drugs, that's just, you can't do that.
You can't say, yes, if you do mushrooms, it's very possible that you might be in contact with entities from other dimensions.
eddie bravo
But if he did, if he did do them, he probably would say it.
joe rogan
Oh, he probably would.
Almost anybody who's really smart, who does like a dose of DMT, comes back and goes, okay, what the fuck is that all about?
eddie bravo
He was in this amazing documentary, just a fucking life-changing documentary called The Principle.
Have you seen that?
joe rogan
No, I've not.
unidentified
Fuck.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Michio Kaku's in it.
A bunch of physicists, like professors from MIT. It's just a bunch of dudes and like religious scientists too.
They have like two or three of them.
joe rogan
Is it recent?
eddie bravo
It's called The Principle.
joe rogan
Is it recent?
eddie bravo
Two years.
And it's just like 10 dudes, like a navigation expert, physicist, Michio Kaku, and they're all just going back and forth.
You know, all these astrophysicists and cosmologists and shit going back and forth discussing space.
And they give you a timeline.
It's an awesome high-end documentary.
They give you a timeline of why we believe what we believe about space.
And shit.
Fuck!
It will melt your fucking brain.
It's the craziest shit.
brendan schaub
Have you ever heard of the cosmic microwave background?
eddie bravo
You know what that is?
joe rogan
The noise that they indicate that it indicates the Big Bang?
eddie bravo
Yes, it's the afterglow of the Big Bang.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
So, I don't know, dude.
I don't know if this is true.
joe rogan
Is it called the afterglows?
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's like a radiation.
It's like the Big Bang.
It's like the radiation left over after the Big Bang.
Whatever the fuck that means.
joe rogan
But they start going on about that, I get lost in the mix.
eddie bravo
But the crazy thing about it, though, this is the crazy thing about it.
I don't know shit about that.
All I do is just watch some space documentaries.
We're fed.
I used to be addicted to space documentaries.
And then when you watch this documentary, and you find out why we believe what we believe, and the timeline of...
To Ptolemy, to Copernicus, to Kepler, to Galileo, and all that timeline of what people thought and believed.
It was always a battle of all these astronomers studying the lights in the sky.
That's all they saw was the lights in the sky.
Everything goes this way except those wandering stars.
And then they figured out those wandering stars were planets.
And then from there, okay, those are the planets because they're the only ones that are on their own course.
So they're all trying to figure out, is the universe spinning around us or are we spinning around the universe?
That's always the fucking, that's always been, we think like, I always thought, oh they're dumb back then, they thought the world was the center of the universe and all that shit.
And you look back at that, you don't really look into, unless you know the actual timeline, it's crazy hearing all these scientists going back, and you hear them explaining how it all went down.
Once you go through the whole story of what we think about space, they tell you!
They tell you!
We don't know shit.
We're looking at a bunch of lights in the goddamn sky.
You're gonna tell me that that light and that light, that's 250 hundred trillion light years away?
How the fuck did you figure that out?
joe rogan
Well, don't they have an explanation for that shit?
eddie bravo
No, exactly.
That's what you just said right now.
What you just said now is everyone's natural reaction.
Because anytime someone says anything about space, You automatically think, someone figured it out.
You don't know the guy's name.
You don't know the name of the experiment.
You didn't look into it yourself.
You just think, when someone tells you, how far is the earth from the sun?
They'll say, oh, 93 million miles away.
Everybody relies on...
Someone figured that out and someone double-checked it.
Dude, it's math.
It's science.
It's math.
But no one really knows.
You're going on what you read and whatever hits you first.
joe rogan
You mean no one that we're talking to?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Someone has been measuring this stuff.
I don't know how they measure it, but I'm sure there's a logical method of measurement.
eddie bravo
Yeah, like you figured someone figured that out.
joe rogan
Well, no, I just assumed that if there's a bunch of guys that are trying to figure out how to get to the moon and back and Mars and back and they're sending these rovers around that are shooting video back, they know how many miles it is.
They've got it figured out in a calculation.
I just don't know what the method they use.
eddie bravo
Someone figured it out.
You don't know the guy's name.
There's names of experiments.
There was an experiment called the Michelson-Morley experiment that tried to prove that the Earth was moving.
So they assumed...
That the space is filled with an ether.
Like that's what dark matter maybe is, dark energy.
There's an ether.
So let's like measure the light waves going through the ether as it hits the earth and then we'll measure it back and we'll be able to tell...
If there's an ether based on the light going against the ether and with the current, it's like you're swimming relative to the ground.
You know, if you're swimming against the current, you go one way, you're going a certain speed, but if you go along the current or the other way, you're going way faster.
It's like that, but they couldn't measure shit.
When you look in the Michelson-Morley experiment, the results were we couldn't measure anything.
That we're moving at all.
So it's always been a debate.
Are we moving?
Aren't we moving?
Even with Einstein, it was a debate.
Did like in the fucking 20s and 30s.
They still didn't know.
You assume, yeah, it's moving.
It says right here a thousand miles an hour.
It's rotating.
But the people at the top don't even know.
They don't even know.
But we assume, because we read it somewhere, that they know.
But it's all guesswork.
When you watch this documentary, I'm just repeating shit, dude.
When you watch this, they're all saying, we're studying.
This is what they found in the cosmic background.
They took one reading in 2006 and one in 2013. And the one in 2006, this is what the documentary is about.
brendan schaub
All these scientists are talking about it.
eddie bravo
They took a picture.
brendan schaub
It's called a cosmic microwave background.
eddie bravo
It's a picture of all the galaxies all the way around you.
And they took a picture.
They did it in 2006. It's not a conspiracy theory.
This is a science documentary that I'm talking about.
brendan schaub
I'm not talking about a conspiracy theory documentary.
eddie bravo
It's a science documentary.
Michio Kaku was talking about this.
unidentified
Okay, what's it called again?
eddie bravo
The Principle.
joe rogan
Okay, I'll check it out.
eddie bravo
It's called the Copernicus Principle.
And what they found, this is what they found in the first reading.
brendan schaub
And they thought, there must be a mistake.
There must be a mistake.
eddie bravo
Until 2013, the European Space Agency, they found the same thing.
And this is, right now, cosmology, they don't know what the fuck to do.
brendan schaub
You know what they found out?
eddie bravo
The cosmic microwave background shows that all the galaxies are on shelves lined up to us.
We're at the fucking center.
They don't know what to think about that.
joe rogan
This is in this documentary?
eddie bravo
That's what the documentary is about.
joe rogan
Pull this documentary up, Jamie.
This is a recent documentary?
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's a lot of controversy going on about it.
joe rogan
But who is it that thinks that the universe is in shelves?
eddie bravo
That's what they're analyzing.
They're looking at heat in space.
That's what they're looking at.
unidentified
Just heat.
eddie bravo
And all the heat is all lined up like in shelves.
And it's all surround.
They don't know what to think.
brendan schaub
That's what this documentary is about.
eddie bravo
In 2006, they go, okay, but that must be a mistake.
That must be a mistake.
So they didn't do it again until 2013. European Space Agency in Paris.
They had a fucking press conference about it.
It was the exact same.
Right now, cosmology is like, if that's true, if we are the center of the universe, that means everything that we've ever taught or ever knew is all wrong.
brendan schaub
So that's where they're at, right?
That's what the documentary is about.
eddie bravo
I don't know if it's true.
That cosmic microwave background could be total bullshit.
That could easily be like a mind game in itself.
Like, they don't know what the fuck that is.
joe rogan
Well, you gotta assume that the top astronomers know what the fuck that is.
unidentified
Yes!
eddie bravo
So, either way.
Either way, it's crazy.
joe rogan
They're constantly updating what they know to be true.
So, it's not like something that's rigid.
I don't know.
But astronomy is one of those things.
They'll release...
See, every time they find out something new, every time they find out something new about a planet, it's important to release that information.
It's not like they have a strict narrative that they have to hold on to.
So if someone comes around and says, it turns out that our measurement was inaccurate and the moon is X amount of miles further and weighs X amount of tons less than we thought it did or more...
I don't think that would be a bad thing for science, right?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
That would be just a new discovery with better equipment.
eddie bravo
But the new discovery is...
joe rogan
Go ahead.
jamie vernon
A lot of people interviewed, according to Wikipedia for this documentary, claimed that they weren't told what they were being interviewed for, and Michio Kaku said that this was likely clever editing, and that his statements bordered on intellectual dishonesty.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
jamie vernon
George Ellis has said that I was interviewed for, but they did not disclose this agenda, which, of course, is nonsense.
I don't think it was worth responding to.
And he goes on to talk more about it.
There's counterclaims just that this is all a little falsehood.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's controversy going on, man.
So the guy who produced it, the guy who produced it, the guy who produced it, he put out interviews.
Like, there's people that are getting pressured.
I don't know.
brendan schaub
This is what they're saying.
joe rogan
This could all be bullshit.
It could all be bullshit.
Those documentaries get you so juiced up.
They're so juicy.
They seem so good.
They seem so real.
You get fired up.
And then once you get fired up, it's tough to get unfired up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that cosmic microwave background could be total bullshit.
eddie bravo
That could be total bullshit.
joe rogan
I've read really recently that they believe that there's been some debate as to whether or not it's an eternal process.
That there was no beginning or end to the universe and that what you're seeing when you're seeing a Big Bang is not the beginning.
It's just that beginning.
eddie bravo
It's all theories.
When you watch this documentary, you're like, they don't know shit.
joe rogan
Well, they know a lot, but they definitely don't know everything.
eddie bravo
They're looking at lights.
That's all they're looking at.
brendan schaub
They're not looking at mass or anything.
joe rogan
Well, they're just looking at lights.
They're measuring gases.
eddie bravo
And they're going, that's a galaxy because the red light is elongated.
brendan schaub
That's a galaxy.
eddie bravo
And it's 700 trillion light years away.
How the fuck...
It sounds like there's a lot of bullshit with cosmology.
They're telling you this.
They're telling you...
joe rogan
Who is they, though, Eddie?
eddie bravo
The scientist, Michio Kaku, he'll tell you.
joe rogan
What is he saying?
eddie bravo
He's like...
The Copernicus principle, the one that we live by, is that we're insignificant.
We mean nothing.
We're a speck in the universe.
And then there's the geocentric model.
That's the heliocentric model that we go around the sun.
The geocentric model means that everything goes around us.
That's what this is in the Bible.
That's what the first astronomers were saying.
Ptolemy was the first one to say, yeah, we are the center.
You can tell based on these observations.
Everything's revolving around us.
And then other people came by.
Copernicus said, based on these observations, this could also work.
The sun's going around.
Oh, we're going around the sun.
And then there was a third one where we're the center.
The sun's going around us, but the planets are going around the sun.
There was three models, and they were all based on observations, like dudes just looking at lights.
They're looking at lights trying to figure out, okay, are we going around the sun, or is the sun going around us?
You know, and Even, like, in Einstein's times, he has a quote saying that we don't have the technology to even prove that the Earth is even spinning.
They can't even...
There's still a debater.
Are we even moving?
Are we still?
Do we have to move?
Because apparently the moon doesn't spin.
It's still.
Why wouldn't...
Why is it so hard to believe that we're still?
Because they haven't even proved...
Even at...
Since Einstein, I don't know, maybe they did prove it?
joe rogan
What if the Earth is the center of the universe and we stand still and the universe spins around us 24 hours a day?
eddie bravo
Wouldn't that be nuts?
joe rogan
I think they're measuring that though.
I feel them emailing me right now and telling me to go fuck myself.
This is a disrespectful conversation.
brendan schaub
That could be totally bullshit.
joe rogan
We need to get Neil deGrasse Tyson on with Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's what they're saying.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know who the fuck is they and I don't know what this...
I have to watch this documentary.
eddie bravo
Michio Kaku knows all about it.
He's in it.
He's in it.
joe rogan
That motherfucker is a conspiracy about everything.
brendan schaub
But shit, if that's true, all the shit we've learned about science is trash.
Everything.
eddie bravo
Even Einstein's theory of relativity.
If this is true, that goes down.
The Copernicus principle goes down.
Everything goes down about space.
Everything.
joe rogan
Dukes of Hazzard comes back with a rebel flag on the roof of the car.
The world is up and down.
Cats and dogs living together.
eddie bravo
Don't you think it's weird that we spin and the water doesn't fall off the plant somehow magically?
joe rogan
No, it's gravity.
It's just that we're dealing with mass on such a grand scale that even though it's circular, like what we think of as being flat is just our inability to grasp the perspective of a 24,000 mile circumference.
Oh, okay.
You don't believe that?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I mean, I haven't done experiments on it.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
eddie bravo
Other people did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, read what the scientists have done.
eddie bravo
I don't believe shit other people have done.
Including people that make YouTube videos?
I believe people talking.
When I see their video and they're talking, like it's a physicist and he's talking, I like that kind of shit.
Anything that's written, like anybody could have wrote, whatever.
I need to see interviews.
joe rogan
I understand.
eddie bravo
Watch the principle.
Your fucking mind will melt.
This is not a conspiracy theory video.
This is a science video.
joe rogan
But it might be a bullshit video.
unidentified
It could be.
joe rogan
Because what Jamie was saying was the people that were in it were saying they were edited out of context and they didn't know the true intention of the movie.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't know.
You know because you seed it.
I'm just parroting what he said.
brendan schaub
They're just talking.
They're just talking about the history of- Maybe they tricked him.
joe rogan
So what do you think about Dick?
I'm not really into it.
Cut to- I love Dick.
What do you think about space?
I'm not really into it.
It's not my thing.
It's not your thing.
Well, how'd you get this job?
eddie bravo
It's probably bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, I went to school at the University of Arizona, and they have this fake line of questioning.
eddie bravo
It's probably bullshit, but what you learn from that, whether it's true or not about the cosmic microwave background, whether the universe is rotating around us, it doesn't mean shit.
What you learn is there's so many different points of views, and everything is just a theory, and you learn that they still haven't figured a lot of shit out that we think people have figured out, but they actually don't.
They didn't figure out.
They still haven't figured out.
They're like, yeah, the Earth spins.
We have a pendulum that fucking proves.
unidentified
If you see a pendulum, it proves that it spins.
eddie bravo
Like, really?
A fucking pendulum?
joe rogan
Eddie, don't you think this is something that you should probably really know what you're talking about before you go on these long rants?
I don't know what I'm talking about.
unidentified
I don't.
eddie bravo
This is a stoner I know.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
I don't know what's wrong.
unidentified
But it doesn't take an idiot to figure it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going crazy.
eddie bravo
Oh, am I going too loud?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is not something we should...
This is like some really dumb dudes who have head injuries talking about Jet Li movies.
eddie bravo
Turn it off, bitch!
joe rogan
And how they would use that shit.
eddie bravo
Turn it off!
joe rogan
You don't think that's fascinating?
eddie bravo
You don't think that's fascinating?
If it's real, it's fascinating, right?
If it's real, it's life-changing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If it's real.
joe rogan
If all those guys that were in it say they were tricked.
jamie vernon
A lot of things are crazy if they're real.
joe rogan
I have to watch it.
eddie bravo
You've got to watch why they said they were tricked.
There's reasons.
They've got pressure.
jamie vernon
You don't want to admit, man.
eddie bravo
It changes everything, dude.
It crushes their careers.
joe rogan
But why does it even have to be a conspiracy?
If you just look at what is absolute about space, forget about all the measurements.
Just forget about all the numbers, because I don't know and you don't know.
I don't know.
Just forget about that.
Just like what they're figuring out right now about Mars.
I mean, they're sending back these images from these rovers, and these scientists are debating what this is, what that is, if this is actual running water at one point in time, if this is some sort of a strange...
All that, for sure, is really happening, 100%.
eddie bravo
I think that's all bullshit.
joe rogan
You don't think they're really on Mars?
eddie bravo
I think they're faking everything.
I think they're faking everything.
I think all that's fake.
joe rogan
You don't think they landed on Mars with a rover?
eddie bravo
I think it's all fake.
joe rogan
How come?
eddie bravo
It's just too hard.
joe rogan
It's too hard to do?
eddie bravo
You know what?
They've lied so much.
NASA's lied so goddamn much that I don't believe shit they say.
I don't believe shit they say.
joe rogan
I believe for sure they have shot rockets into space because we can watch it happen.
And also for sure people have died when they've launched those rockets into space.
But they definitely have a way to move rovers around on Mars now.
It's not a biological impediment.
It's not like they have to keep people...
They're saying if they're going to fly people out there, it's going to take six months.
And they have to have enough food to stay alive and air and whatever the fuck.
They have to make sure they don't get hit by micrometeors.
They're going to put them on the surface of Mars.
But that's not a person, though.
You're talking about like a rover.
eddie bravo
It looks like fucking Arizona with like a red tint.
joe rogan
Probably because Mars looks like Arizona.
eddie bravo
They make it red and shit.
unidentified
Come on.
eddie bravo
I think it's all bullshit.
I don't believe anything.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's nothing on Mars that doesn't exist on Earth.
eddie bravo
That's what they say.
I mean, all that's what they say.
joe rogan
Isn't that correct, as far as the minerals that they're finding in the soil or the kind of dirt that they're experiencing?
I mean, I think it's different in its appearance and its imagery, but it could just be that that's what planets without water look like.
eddie bravo
When you see a real picture of Mars, you see a dot of light.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I understand, but that's what we see.
But when you're looking at Mars, right, or you're looking at the desert, like in Arizona, like that crazy desert, the Utah, Arizona, you know, those rocks and shit, all that crazy desert.
unidentified
Oh, that looks so boring.
joe rogan
That might as well be Mars.
eddie bravo
That could be anything.
joe rogan
If you thought Mars was completely different from Earth, think again.
eddie bravo
That could be Pomona.
joe rogan
Our warm blue planet is more similar in some ways to the desolate red planet than you know.
And we have comparison images to prove it.
Find out about the actual minerals in it and see if you can find, like, if the soil is significantly different.
I mean, the soil varies all over the place on Earth, right?
I mean, soil's everywhere.
eddie bravo
You don't think there's a little tiny chance, small little percentage that they could be faking that?
joe rogan
No.
I don't.
I don't think it's hard to do.
I mean, I think it's hard to do, but they've done it.
Look, they've already got all these crazy satellite images of Earth.
They got satellite images all the way out to Jupiter's moons.
They've got that satellite image of that frozen moon.
What's that frozen moon?
eddie bravo
Oh, let me see if that's CGI. They got a picture of a frozen fucking moon?
joe rogan
I guarantee you it's CGI. What is the frozen water moon?
What is it called?
eddie bravo
No way they can take a picture of a fucking moon.
joe rogan
Hold on a second, man.
What is Mars made of?
Comparison of planet Mars, Martian soil, is defined, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Bullshit.
Properties can differ significantly from those of terrestrial soil.
The term Martian soil typically refers to the fine fraction of...
What is that?
What is that word?
Rigolith?
Rigolith on Earth.
The term soil...
Usually includes organic content.
Oh, that's interesting.
So because everything's dead, it's dirt.
It's not soil.
Huh.
That's interesting, right?
Like soil is a fucking life form.
That's what people don't think about.
Have you ever seen one of those documentaries where they show the interaction between the mycelium and the roots of the trees and even rocks themselves?
Like how they have this sort of crazy relationship?
Radio Lab did this amazing podcast on it, man.
You know, we think of a tree as being like, there's a tree, it's in the ground, it's by itself, and there's another tree over there.
No, they're all connected, like in some crazy superhighway of give and take.
They give each other sugars and minerals, and the mycelium actually clings to rocks and pulls minerals out of the rocks, and they all exist together in this crazy ecosystem.
It's an amazing podcast, man.
If you listen to it, it's a mind-blower.
eddie bravo
I wonder how they figured all that out.
joe rogan
They actually have seen these things under the microscope.
They were showing these things.
That these things exist in just a small area.
You'll find miles and miles of this sort of fungus growth.
And fungus, apparently, the way it's explained to me, when you see mushrooms, mushrooms aren't like a plant.
They're closer to a person than they are to a plant.
Mushrooms breathe air.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
You just said mushrooms are closer to a person than a plant?
joe rogan
Than they are a plant.
They're more like a life form.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
They're weird, man.
eddie bravo
You believe that?
joe rogan
Mushrooms are weird.
It's a weird growth.
It's some sort of a living thing that doesn't move, but they interconnect in some strange way with all the plants around them and become like a highway system.
In this podcast, they were talking about how they find a tree that's specifically needy, and they channel resources to that tree.
There's some sort of a way that these plants are communicating with each other.
They're just struggling to understand right now.
They really don't know what the fuck they're doing.
They just know that something is happening and that we may have looked at plants as being these inanimate things, or these things that live but they don't have any awareness whatsoever of their surroundings.
Now they know that they can play the sound of caterpillars chewing leaves around plants, and these plants will release a toxin that makes their leaves taste like shit to discourage predation.
eddie bravo
The ones that eat, they couldn't get any spray on them.
They ran out of spray.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
eddie bravo
The ones that the bugs do eat is probably the ones that...
probably they don't spray the older ones.
joe rogan
No, this is not a real...
they don't use real bugs for this.
They take the sound.
This is where it's fucked up.
They take a recording of caterpillar eating leaves and they make the recording go off next to the tree and the tree starts releasing those chemicals.
Somehow or another, it's taking in the sound waves because that's all they are.
Of a caterpillar eating leaves, and it's causing the leaves to become more bitter.
eddie bravo
Eventually there's gonna be one plant that knows it's a trick, and then it'll breed and evolve, and then you gotta change the systems.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, all the animals are gonna starve to death.
Like, they've had problems where animals will eat upstream from other animals, so if a bunch of animals are eating, the sound of the animals eating that plant gets into the system, and all the leaves go bitter, and the animals won't eat the leaves, and then they wind up getting sick and dying.
Now, here's where it gets trippy.
eddie bravo
What gets sick?
joe rogan
Here's where it gets trippy.
No, the animals.
They get sick and die because they don't eat.
They starve to death.
eddie bravo
Because they're...
Plants taste like shit.
joe rogan
Because the plants taste like shit.
eddie bravo
Damn, there's a war going on right under our nose and we didn't know.
joe rogan
Here's where it gets really weird.
That plant that they're talking about that does all this, that's the acacia plant.
That's the plant that those Jerusalem scholars think might be DMT. It might be what Moses saw when Moses saw the burning bush that became God.
Like that was God that was communicating with him.
They think it might be the acacia tree.
Because the acacia tree is rich in dimethyltryptamine.
And the acacia tree is the tree that when animals are eating it upstream, the ones downstream, they change their taste.
They smell it or they hear it or somehow or another they become aware through the ground that the ones uphill are getting eaten.
So they all taste like shit and animals start starving to death.
By the way, some of that may not be true.
But I believe it is.
According to that Radiolab podcast, I believe it's true.
eddie bravo
Hey, you never know.
joe rogan
Paige Van Zand, dime piece after a cage fight.
It's worth a lot of cash, Dana White.
That's an easily sell to America.
And she fucked up a tattooed chick from another country.
That's strong.
You know?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she fucked her up with a jumping roundhouse kick to the face dancing with the stars foo style.
eddie bravo
Revenge of the hotties.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Boom!
She did one to the body there.
Oh, look at that combination.
There it is.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Paige Van Zandt.
Number 10 now.
What do you think she is now after this?
She's gotta be like number 7, right?
She gets the big jump.
That's a scary division.
The top.
The top's got that motherfucker.
eddie bravo
She's probably going to start acting.
joe rogan
Paige Van Zandt?
She certainly could.
She could quit right now.
After that fight on Fox, that's a big deal to have that fight on Fox.
Powerful Paige Van Zandt.
Super marketable.
Real nice girl too.
eddie bravo
What's so funny?
That's a good opening line for like a hot chicken.
Excuse me, you're very marketable.
joe rogan
She's super marketable.
That's what you tell a girl, right?
Girl, you marketable.
A girl or a guy in this sport.
You're in this sport for two reasons, right?
You want to be competitive for sure.
But two is you want to make a fuckload of money and get out while you can.
And she was even saying when she realized when she was doing Dancing with the Stars, she did an interview recently, where she was talking about she realized how much money other athletes make in comparison to fighters.
And she wasn't complaining.
She was just saying, like, I'm still blessed, but, you know, the UFC pays me more than any job I've ever had in my life.
But, man, you find out what some athletes make in other sports.
But...
eddie bravo
That's just the way it goes.
joe rogan
That's just the way it goes.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
This sport is in this particular period of development, and eventually the money will be there.
But for people to say that it's just the way it is.
joe rogan
It's going to be there for her, though, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's for sure going to be there for her.
eddie bravo
That's the one.
Look at how...
joe rogan
She's laughing.
She's laughing at missing her own kick.
But what's funny is, right after that...
eddie bravo
She's like, what?
unidentified
Boom!
Boom!
joe rogan
This is a crazy kick, man.
This is like some Lyoto Machida type shit.
That's a highlight reel kick.
eddie bravo
Dude, his brother, Lyoto Machida's brother, fought in Bellator yesterday.
joe rogan
Chinzo, how did he do?
eddie bravo
Dude, he's got some serious striking.
joe rogan
Nasty karate.
brendan schaub
Dude, he threw an uppercut, clipped the guy one uppercut.
eddie bravo
And he fights just like him with that karate stance where they're jumping up and down.
It's like fencing, like a fencing stance.
He looks legit.
He's been hurt over the last few years.
He's been working on his MMA career for a while.
joe rogan
He's like 36, right?
eddie bravo
38. 38. The striking is legit.
joe rogan
I watched him fight in something else.
Might have been their RFA. What did he fight in before this?
RFA. RFA. Yeah.
Yeah, I saw him fighting that.
He looked real good, and he does look a lot like Liotto, like a lot of the way he moves.
You know, I was thinking to me, man, it was something I was thinking when I was watching him fight in the early days.
I was like, man, what a grind it is to get into MMA. You know, you got these guys that are really good at a sport, and they get to a level.
Is this him here?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
I saw some highlights of this online.
Look at the way he stands.
Exactly like Liotta.
eddie bravo
With confidence and he throws bombs, dude.
joe rogan
They both learned from their dad.
unidentified
See that?
eddie bravo
That little combo?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He did that another time and really, I think he put the guy on his butt with it.
joe rogan
Damn, Cinzo looks good.
I wonder why the UFC didn't sign him.
Seems like that would be a good signing, you know?
Sign this guy.
eddie bravo
Bellator looked really good.
joe rogan
But you know what?
A guy like this, you know, have a few fights in Bellator, and then maybe the UFC will bring him over, just like they did with...
What's his name?
unidentified
Will...
eddie bravo
Eddie Alvarez?
joe rogan
No.
Well, of course, Eddie Alvarez, for sure.
unidentified
See that?
joe rogan
Boom.
But recently...
Goddammit, why am I blanking on his name?
He just won.
He just beat somebody.
I didn't call the fight, though.
He was Bellator's champion at one point in time.
Yes, thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
Will Brooks.
Yeah, Will Brooks just came over from Bellator.
It's like, you know, they're gonna probably exchange stuff back and forth.
Now Rory's over there.
Rory McDonald just signed to Bellator.
Dude, Rory McDonald versus Michael Page.
Holy shit.
I'm in.
I want to see that fight.
That's an interesting fight.
I think that good competition is good.
And I think that good competition like Bellator, I think it's good for MMA. It's good for the UFC. It's good for business.
It's good for business.
Isn't it?
eddie bravo
I agree.
joe rogan
We need a bunch of organizations.
You know, there's a large potential for growth in this sport.
eddie bravo
Bellator's probably number two, right?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
eddie bravo
Who's number three?
joe rogan
Probably one FC. I mean, I don't know.
It would have to be, well, you know, World Series of Fighting does have some really good fighters, but doesn't get enough love for some reason.
That's kind of interesting, right?
It's on NBC Sports.
eddie bravo
And then there's Titan, too?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But World Series of Fighting has Fitch.
They had Paul Harris until they kicked him out.
eddie bravo
Jake Shields.
joe rogan
They have Jake Shields.
They got Marlon Marais, who's a bad motherfucker.
They got Justin Gagey, who's a bad motherfucker.
They had Tyrone Spong.
I don't know if Tyrone Spong is still doing MMA, though.
I think Tyrone Spong might have decided to go to straight boxing.
He's doing really well in straight boxing.
He's got nasty hands, man.
eddie bravo
Is that the guy Alan Joban fought?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's much larger.
He's a...
I guess, essentially, he's a light heavyweight if he was an MMA fighter.
But he could fight heavyweight, too.
He's fought some pretty big boys.
I would like to know what weight he fights at.
I would imagine it would be in the 220s or something like that.
eddie bravo
What's the latest with Mark Hunt?
You know, he's been protesting about Brock Lesnar's test.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
It's a bummer.
eddie bravo
He's really pissed, right?
joe rogan
It's a bummer for him.
Yeah, it's a bummer for him.
You know, because that stuff that Brock tested for, I mean, it's not really a steroid.
It's something that helps you bring your body back after your endocrine system shuts down.
Obviously, I'm not a doctor, ladies and gentlemen.
Don't take my word for this.
It's CG. It's clomiphene, I believe it's called.
I think that's what they released.
What that stuff is, an estrogen blocker, and it helps your body produce testosterone.
And it could, you know, you could be taking it for a legit reason, or you could be taking it because you need your body to re-kickstart It's testosterone after you overdosed it, you know, shut the balls down.
So that's the real concern when people hear that someone was taking an estrogen blocker.
Like, okay, why?
Apparently the John Jones story, which Red Band predicted hilariously, is boner pills.
eddie bravo
How did he predict that?
joe rogan
Generic boner pills.
Because Red Band has taken those boner pills a bunch of times.
He said, dude, there's definitely steroids in them.
They make you like crazy.
He's like, there's a bunch of shit in there.
Who knows what's in there?
You just buy these gas station boner pills.
And that's what Brian said.
And I said, what makes you think that?
And he was like, well, because he likes to party, right?
Like John Jones tested positive for coke.
He was like, people that like to do coke, they want to take like boner pills to get their dick hard.
I'm like, oh my god.
eddie bravo
He nailed it.
joe rogan
I'm like, he nailed it.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
He nailed it.
eddie bravo
That's some good CSI shit right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he should be an investigative reporter.
unidentified
Damn.
eddie bravo
He cracked the case.
And he was right.
joe rogan
He was perfectly right.
eddie bravo
So now people are going to forgive Jon Jones.
Like, ah, those are just boner pills.
I mean, that's okay, right?
joe rogan
Well, there was even talk about how long the suspension would be for Brock Lesnar.
It's all weird, man.
It's real weird.
And here's another thing about things like Bellator.
Somebody brought this up online.
On Twitter of whether Bellator gets tested by USADA. And I don't know the answer to that.
I don't know how they test or what they test.
I know people have tested positive for some shit before at Bellator, but I don't know when and I don't know what commission, but I do not imagine in any way that it's as stringent as the test that the UFC does.
Right?
There's no way.
eddie bravo
It appears that, yeah, it appears.
joe rogan
Like Bobby Lashley does not pass the smell test.
No offense, Bobby.
You look like a hell of an athlete.
But that looks like a guy.
jamie vernon
For Battlesore 158, they were tested by the Mohegan Department of Athletic Regulation for drug testing.
joe rogan
Okay, okay.
So that's Mohegan Sun.
That must be where the casino is.
They probably have their own athletic commission.
And, you know, who knows what methods they use and who knows whether it's just a post-fight test like they used to do in the UFC and a lot of guys had figured out how to crack the system.
I don't know.
It's a good question.
Who knows?
It'd be an interesting choice for people that...
Wanted to...
Wanted to get some help.
You know, didn't want to completely jump into this new school of constant testing.
They're like, how about you just test me after the fight and we'll just work this out in camp.
eddie bravo
How about Nate Diaz pulling out that vape pen in the press conference?
Didn't that...
That took balls, huh?
Shit.
joe rogan
That's gangster.
Well, I didn't even think he thought he was doing anything wrong.
It's a CBD oil pen.
He probably didn't realize...
Most people just can't.
They can't make the distinction between CBD oil and pot.
You know, that CBD oil is just some shit that you do.
eddie bravo
I take that every day just as an antioxidant.
joe rogan
Yeah, anti-inflammatory.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, CBD oil is natural.
brendan schaub
And if people are taking that and there's been lots of reports of success taking This CBD oil, when you have any kind of cancer, you know, there have been good studies.
eddie bravo
Why not just take it before?
Just maybe as a preventative and, you know, can't hurt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's what I do.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people report good results with it, you know, and it's supposed to be really good for pain.
unidentified
How crazy is it that...
eddie bravo
We have a state like Colorado, and there's other states too, like Washington and Oregon now, but there's states where it's like going to Amsterdam.
brendan schaub
Colorado is like Amsterdam, but then we've got another Amsterdam.
eddie bravo
We've got a Washington Amsterdam.
We've got an Oregon Amsterdam.
brendan schaub
But Colorado, that's probably the most famous state for legalizing recreational use.
eddie bravo
How crazy is it that we're living in a world like that?
joe rogan
Dude, it changed their whole economy.
It changed their economy.
Denver's booming.
It's like a gold rush.
It's like they found gold.
eddie bravo
It's green gold.
Are they just like skyscrapers everywhere?
brendan schaub
Is it like that?
joe rogan
Well, the real estate has gone up by a significant amount.
Last time I heard it was like 14 or 16%.
Like the real estate prices have gone up.
Drunk driving is the lowest it's been in decades.
Violent crimes, lowest it's been in a long time.
It's crazy, man.
It's weird.
It's weird.
Less instances of teenage drunk.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Drunk driving, getting pulled over with booze, a lot of less instances of teenagers getting drunk.
brendan schaub
Families from all over the world uprooting and taking their kids that have seizures, 20 a day.
eddie bravo
They're taking them and starting a new life in Colorado, and their kids are down to one seizure a week, or maybe even less.
joe rogan
Maybe even less.
That's a big point, and one of them is a buddy of mine.
You know my friend Johnny, Johnny Rotten.
You remember Johnny.
Johnny's kid, he had some real issues.
The cannabis oil and eating hash.
Like you saw that documentary where they had that kid or that news report, rather, where they had that kid who was having some seizures and they didn't know what to do.
And they were like at their last rope and they tried cannabis.
They started giving this kid a hash.
eddie bravo
Charlotte's Web.
joe rogan
It was in like a mango.
They would give it to him in like pieces of fruit or a melon or something like that.
You know, this kid has completely stopped all the seizures.
And it's apparently really, really, really effective for that.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
brendan schaub
So anybody out there that if you know anybody with kids that have seizures and they're on the medication, there's a whole shitload of them out there.
eddie bravo
There is hope for them.
You've got to move to Colorado, or you just stay where you're at and just get it any way you can to save your kid's life, or you can move, but there's a place you can go.
It's Colorado, Washington, Oregon.
brendan schaub
You can take your kids' seizures or the kids that you know, relatives, whatever, you could take them to once a week, maybe once every two weeks.
Those are the results I'm hearing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's also other parts of the same country that we live in right now where if you took that same medicine and you got caught with it, you'd go to jail.
Like, guaranteed go to jail.
There's a bunch of stupid spots.
In this country.
They're not bad people.
They're just operating on bad old ideas.
And they think of themselves as being good people.
And I bet in your head you are a good person.
But if you're enforcing marijuana laws in 2016, you're on the wrong side.
You're on the wrong side.
It helps a lot of people with a lot of shit.
And if somebody's trying to get their kid Some medicine, and you're trying to stop them and lock them in a cage, and this is a medicine that grew out of the ground, you're out of your fucking mind.
You're operating on some old voodoo.
eddie bravo
Schedule one drug.
joe rogan
How about the DEA wouldn't change it?
They wouldn't change the classification.
Maybe Hillary's going to do it when she gets in.
Maybe they made a deal.
Let's make the big change when we get in.
Let's hold on to our cards.
Okay, we're going to get in.
eddie bravo
This country is in some serious trouble.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
We gotta make a new system.
brendan schaub
Jesus fucking Christ.
joe rogan
They don't want to do it, but we gotta make a new system.
brendan schaub
So obvious that it's rigged.
I mean, when you got Hillary and Trump, that's rigged fucking city right there.
joe rogan
They're clawing at it, man.
They're trying to hold onto it as long as they can.
eddie bravo
So rigged.
joe rogan
It's gonna be interesting to see how much longer we can continue to...
Have a country that operates like this?
eddie bravo
How about that election fraud shit that happened in California with Hillary and Bernie Sanders?
It's like viral.
As soon as that happens, boom, Orlando, bam.
What if?
joe rogan
Well, there's always speculation.
What's been proven about voter fraud?
Is there anything been proven?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
It's not something that I'm that shocked where I need that much evidence.
It's like telling me that some whore fucked some other dude.
I'm not going to, oh, I need fucking video!
joe rogan
It would just be nice.
eddie bravo
It would just be nice.
joe rogan
It would just be nice if you couldn't get rich running the government.
It'd be nice.
There's no way you could do this to get rich.
You just can't do it.
eddie bravo
I think that, I mean...
brendan schaub
Jesus, there's just no hope.
eddie bravo
There's no hope.
Too many people are with it.
They just got them on that media.
brendan schaub
They're addicted to that media.
There's just no way around it.
eddie bravo
I mean, there's a...
There's a quote that I posted on my Instagram from Jim Morrison.
I'm sure he didn't make it up, but it says, those who control the media control the mind.
It says Jim Morrison.
joe rogan
A bunch of people probably said that.
unidentified
No, it was.
joe rogan
I'm sure it was.
I saw it in a meme.
eddie bravo
That's everything right there.
joe rogan
No, it's true, but the thing is, today, isn't the media like, boy, what a slippery grip they have on it.
It seems so slippery to me.
eddie bravo
No, they got it.
brendan schaub
They got it all under control.
joe rogan
But I feel like everybody's the media now.
There's so many different accesses, so many different points of access.
eddie bravo
They still trick them all day.
Still tricking them all day.
Look, we got Hillary...
joe rogan
Hold on, Jamie's saying something?
jamie vernon
Wouldn't this be...
This could be someone's main source of entertainment slash news, and we would be their media, and how would we be tricking them?
eddie bravo
But what we're trying to do is we're actually trying to tell the truth.
We're trying to get to the truth.
Usually what you see in the media has an agenda behind it.
I don't have an agenda.
I'm not making money off conspiracy theory money.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
There's no agenda here.
So conspiracy theorists, no matter how...
And by the way, the CIA created the word conspiracy theorists to demonize people that are against the establishment.
brendan schaub
So that's not a conspiracy theory.
eddie bravo
The word conspiracy theorists to make people seem like tin hat foe Tin foil hat wearing wackos.
But anyways, when you look at the motive, what's the motive behind being a conspiracy theorist?
No matter how paranoid you are, The most paranoid, worst case scenario type people.
Some people are more paranoid than others and they jump to more conclusions than others, but all conspiracy theorists, they have one thing in common.
brendan schaub
They're worried about their family, their health.
eddie bravo
Even if it is paranoia, maybe they go too far.
It's It's what's in the heart.
We're concerned about the people and what's going on and how we're being fooled and where we're headed and where we're led and all this bullshit that's going on in the world.
We're concerned with that.
The people on the other side, they're not concerned with that at all.
The people in power are not concerned with the right thing.
They're concerned about one thing and one thing only.
Keeping as much power as they can for as long as possible, no matter what.
joe rogan
Juicy conspiracy thought.
I love it.
What are we talking about?
unidentified
The Luminati?
joe rogan
The Goldbergs?
eddie bravo
I was having a conversation about Alex Jones with my buddy, Ry Dawson, who thinks he's just too paranoid.
He's just too crazy.
He just says the craziest things.
I'm like, yes, he does.
I know him personally.
Yes, he may be a little more concerned slash paranoid, but that's why he's Alex Jones.
He's so...
Paranoid about shit that he dedicated his life to trying to get information out and some of it's wrong, some of it's right.
You know, no conspiracy theorists.
It's all theories based on mostly circumstantial evidence.
It's not like real evidence.
We're just saying, wait a minute, you guys done this before?
And you've done this for forever and it seems like it's happening again based on that and based on that and based on this.
Yeah, you guys are probably still doing this shit.
It's still the same criminals.
Oh, it's all good now.
Oh, they used to do it.
After 50 years, it's easy to prove a conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
What are we talking about exactly, though?
eddie bravo
We're talking about...
We were talking about...
Oh, Alex Jones.
unidentified
But it doesn't matter that he's so paranoid.
eddie bravo
He doesn't have to be right about everything.
Sometimes he's too paranoid.
I'm talking about Alex Jones.
His heart's in it.
I know one thing about Alex Jones is he's not a shill.
He's for real.
joe rogan
Definitely not a shill.
eddie bravo
Maybe he stays away from certain subjects.
Maybe he does.
But overall, the message is...
Well, he's searching.
Don't buy into this game, this game show that we're being fed.
Don't buy into that shit.
unidentified
The globalists.
eddie bravo
Yes.
And that's what's going on.
So, I mean, unless you're sitting here telling me you believe what you see when you see someone speaking in CNN about it.
joe rogan
I believe what Jamie says.
jamie vernon
Do you think he believes everything he's saying?
eddie bravo
What does it matter?
joe rogan
Alex Jones.
jamie vernon
There's people on ESPN that there's no way they believe everything they're saying.
They used to be on ESPN, I should say.
There's no way they believe everything they're saying because it contradicts itself when looked at.
eddie bravo
What do you mean?
Guys like CNN broadcasters?
jamie vernon
On ESPN. ESPN. Just guys talking about sports will say something very salacious and two days later say something that contradicts itself.
But they're just doing it because that's their job and they're paid to talk.
Of course.
eddie bravo
I agree with all that.
jamie vernon
And that turning other people like that are also paid.
joe rogan
But Alex Jones is completely independent.
I've known Alex literally for, I hate literally, but I've known him since 99. And he's always been like this, and he's been doing it himself, doing his radio show, and doing now his internet show.
jamie vernon
My only point is that he's getting paid to do it.
joe rogan
Honestly, if that dude had a fucking insurance job, he'd still be talking about this stuff.
He talks about this He's a real conspiracy theory guy.
You could be at a honky-conk bar at 2 o'clock in the morning.
unidentified
The black helicopters and the cattle mutilations are connected.
joe rogan
You can't have one without the other.
eddie bravo
I'm not trying to disregard that at all.
When you listen to him talk, dude, he knows his shit.
Sometimes he exaggerates on some shit.
Like Y2K, exaggerated on that.
A lot of people thought shit was coming to an end.
That was one example.
joe rogan
There is a problem, though, when you have a business of doom.
You're always looking for doom.
Like, that's your business?
Well, if you're selling doom, you gotta look for doom.
It's not that he's not right a lot.
He's right about a lot of things.
Like, he was right about a bunch of shit that no one ever thought about, that now we think of as, because of Edward Snowden, we think of just as a part of the problem.
He was talking about worldwide surveillance of emails, of emails, and text messages.
He was talking about that a long time ago.
eddie bravo
He has serious connections on the inside.
brendan schaub
He's got sources that he won't reveal their name.
eddie bravo
He's getting a lot of information that's proven right.
He knows that we're living in the goddamn matrix.
The matrix.
The thing that burns me the most is super smart people are really smart and they just they know the people running shit are controlling us.
They know this but when it comes down to any topic they side with Their word, the criminal's word.
That burns me more than anything.
You know they're criminals.
You know they are, but you're going to side with them.
You're going to believe them.
Criminals, they have to prove everything.
Maybe some things they're saying are true, but I'm not going to believe you.
I don't believe shit you say.
Just like some fucking liar that you know.
Some dude at the comedy store.
Some dude who just lies about fucking everything.
You're not going to believe shit.
Even though some shit he's telling you might be true, you're going to have to...
Prove all that shit because you fucking lie about everything.
You lie about where you're from.
You were never a wrestling champion.
You didn't fucking, oh no, goddamn Harley.
You're a fucking liar.
Why am I going to believe anything you say?
That's what's going on.
So I think we should, when it comes to conspiracy theories, we should always be at least skeptical of the official story.
It may be true or maybe not, but...
joe rogan
I wish Brian Callum was here right now and I would put a tie on him and a badge that says, Mr. Official Story.
You guys could duke it out.
eddie bravo
Yeah, we don't need to do that.
I said enough.
joe rogan
I think people are done.
eddie bravo
Question everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, at a certain point in time, we can't keep talking about this.
What'd you think about some other fights that were happening recently?
unidentified
How about the UFC fights?
joe rogan
Trying to steer this away from this fucking conspiracy swamp that we keep falling into.
eddie bravo
I'm done.
joe rogan
It's non-productive.
The problem with it is...
unidentified
It's not?
joe rogan
Opening people's minds?
It's not always right.
It's not always right.
There's a lot of stuff that's getting messed up.
eddie bravo
We're not trying to get everything right.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a giant quagmire.
If you start chasing down whether or not the CIA created Jim Morrison, that shit takes a lot of time.
Hours and hours of speculation and thinking.
It's not worth it.
eddie bravo
It's very entertaining.
joe rogan
Smoke a joint and enjoy the music.
eddie bravo
It's very entertaining.
joe rogan
You feel like it's almost like an open-ended puzzle that you're playing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's entertaining.
People are into...
Game of Thrones, totally.
It's not real at all.
It's a made-up ass story.
But oh, they get, I want some made-up, but they don't want to watch like a documentary, like a conspiracy documentary that maybe not true, maybe exaggerated, but goddamn, it's really, it's close to the truth and maybe it is true.
But no, we ain't going to watch that.
We want to watch total fake shit.
I just want to make sure it's all fake.
joe rogan
The total fake shit, at least like I don't feel stupid.
Because I know that it's fake.
I'm enjoying something.
unidentified
I'm not being half fucked.
eddie bravo
But if you watch conspiracy theories, it's probably fake, but who knows?
Maybe there's a little truth to it.
joe rogan
They're fun, man.
Some of them are fun.
You know what my favorite one, though, was?
The one where the dude thought that there was rods flying around, and it turned out it was just the way cameras view things and move fast.
eddie bravo
That conspiracy theory didn't last at all.
That's proof that conspiracy theories will drop, motherfuckers.
We'll drop one of them.
joe rogan
Drop it hot.
eddie bravo
Dude, it was dropped.
No conspiracy theories stuck with that.
It was a weird thing we saw.
joe rogan
No, but it wasn't dropped.
That guy came to one of my fucking Q&As that I did with the UFC. People still believe that?
eddie bravo
People still believe that?
joe rogan
The guy who made the documentary.
I think his name is Jose Escamilla.
eddie bravo
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Gentleman.
He's a fine gentleman.
He's not a bad man at all.
But he came to one of the UFC things, and he waited in line, asked me a question, and he yelled it out.
eddie bravo
The problem...
joe rogan
I have documentaries at UFC. Okay, dude.
unidentified
Good luck.
eddie bravo
We saw him, dude.
joe rogan
2002. That MonsterQuest show is what fucked him up.
Did you know that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was that MonsterQuest show.
That show that they were doing for the History Channel, where they were investigating monsters.
No, this is what happened.
MonsterQuest did an experiment.
On one side, they used a high-speed camera that does very high rates of frame rates, and it can film slow-motion shit so you see every pixel it looks perfect.
You know how they do that with those slow-mo cameras?
They can film at a very high rate of speed.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
Like really complicated.
eddie bravo
And then we saw that there just flies.
joe rogan
And then next to it was a shitty camera.
And the shitty camera couldn't capture it quick enough.
So everything got elongated.
So the image got blurred and elongated.
And it looks like tubes were flying through the sky.
But two cameras side by side captured completely different things.
One of them captured super obvious bugs.
You could slow them down in slow motion.
You could see there are bugs.
And then it would literally cross over into the other camera and turn into this tube because it was just moving too quick.
So it's an artifact.
That's what it's called.
eddie bravo
That was a conspiracy theory that was hot for about maybe three years.
We were into it.
I remember getting high.
Living room watch going, shit, look, there's fucking aliens flying around everywhere.
We thought those were aliens.
They were alive.
joe rogan
Look at these things.
eddie bravo
They were invisible snakes.
unidentified
Remember?
joe rogan
Yeah, look.
We were convinced that there's these things.
eddie bravo
Thank God there was no Twitter back then.
Thank God.
They would have kept bringing that shit up.
joe rogan
We would have been so stupid.
eddie bravo
See, that's proof that if we get debunked proof that we're not married to it.
I'm not married to that.
joe rogan
Right.
We were like, is this possible?
Well, dude, you can't see it with your eyes.
Show me proof.
You need a video cam to see it.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
We were thinking that science hadn't discovered.
But then, you know, one time we were like, where are the dead ones?
Where's all the dead ones?
eddie bravo
They're like flying fish.
joe rogan
Do they live forever?
eddie bravo
What if it's real?
brendan schaub
I'm going to relive rods.
eddie bravo
Maybe that monster's thing was bullshit.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I'm pretty sure it's real as fuck.
eddie bravo
I'm going to be a rod guy.
joe rogan
But can you imagine if you're the poor dude who made that documentary and you've got all this money invested in those rods?
eddie bravo
I never hear anybody talk about rods.
joe rogan
No, they're done.
eddie bravo
Someone did come up to me and say, Hey, have you heard that conspiracy theory where there's no forests?
unidentified
Have you heard about this?
There's a conspiracy theory where there's no forest.
eddie bravo
Look into it.
It's just no forest.
joe rogan
You love these things.
eddie bravo
I'm like, I don't know what that is really.
I watched 30 seconds because someone in class told me.
Ziggy came up and goes, have you heard that conspiracy theory about no forest?
I go, what?
unidentified
I went home and I put no forest and I watched 13 seconds and I just stopped it.
joe rogan
Have you seen the one where the dinosaurs aren't real?
Have you seen that one?
eddie bravo
That, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's like some other shit where I'm like, I don't believe any science.
I don't believe anything.
brendan schaub
The only science I believe is you rub two sticks together and there's fire.
eddie bravo
I don't think that's science.
You gotta prove that shit to me.
I'm gonna ignore that shit.
Tobacco science.
What about that?
You think that shit's gone?
You think tobacco science is gone?
It's stronger than ever.
joe rogan
That's one of the weirdest things.
eddie bravo
It's tobacco science.
joe rogan
It's one of the weirdest things that politicians don't talk about.
If you really stop and think about all the threats they talk about to this country and the people and our health, and they'll even discuss drugs, but alcohol kills way more people than illegal drugs, and for sure cigarettes kill way more people than alcohol.
And so you'll occasionally hear A politician discuss underage drinking or drinking and driving.
But will they ever discuss abstinence and professing their hope for abstinence?
No fucking way.
eddie bravo
You mean abstinence from what?
joe rogan
Alcohol.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
From alcohol.
brendan schaub
I thought you...
Okay.
joe rogan
They're never going to propose that, right?
They're definitely never going to talk about cigarettes.
Cigarettes is their dirty friend that murders.
brendan schaub
That's the giant elephant in the fucking sky.
joe rogan
Dude, they got a dirty friend that kills 500,000 people a year.
eddie bravo
That's a clear example of why you should be a conspiracy theorist.
Right there.
joe rogan
That is an absolutely fascinating conspiracy.
eddie bravo
That's a fascinating And that's in your face and no one says shit.
joe rogan
In your face.
eddie bravo
No one even talks about it.
joe rogan
Nobody talks about it.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
Anytime...
joe rogan
See, that one I'm on board with.
eddie bravo
You know what?
joe rogan
Because there's got to be some money in there somewhere.
eddie bravo
This is me guessing.
I know this.
I know that.
Sometimes greed will actually result in something beneficial to mankind.
Sometimes it does.
In one instance, seatbelt laws.
Seatbelt laws, it looks like government was trying to take care of us and they really were concerned with our health, but when you looked into the seatbelt law and the helmet law for motorcycles in California, it was the insurance companies paying for all that, the bill, because they thought it was cheaper If you got in an accident and you weren't wearing your seatbelt, if you turned into a vegetable, you're expensive.
All those accidents with no seatbelts were costing these insurance companies gazillions.
So it was better to make them wear seatbelts than it wasn't as expensive to pay for these bills.
They don't have as many vegetable bills and shit.
Overall, it makes sense.
So when you find that out, I'm just guessing here.
When you see those tobacco commercials where...
I've seen the latest tobacco commercial with some African-American girl who's like, she's rapping poetry, no music, and it's all like being super ultra street.
She's in an alley.
brendan schaub
She's like, you know, all I do is just go out there and do my thing.
eddie bravo
I ain't gonna smoke.
I ain't gonna do that thing.
You know, just stupid rap.
Not stupid rap, but just...
I take that back.
unidentified
Just...
eddie bravo
It was amazing rap.
It was amazing words.
But it was all about not smoking.
I'm cool.
I'm not gonna smoke.
I'm hood.
I'm in the street, yo.
I'm just guessing.
I'm just guessing.
I bet if you look into that, it's the same thing.
I bet the insurance companies have figured out that Diseases from smoking are expensive as fuck.
We gotta stop this.
This is crushing us.
That's me guessing.
I don't know.
But do they really care if we smoke?
Fuck no.
Why is this on?
It must be some...
You must be able to follow the money.
That's me guessing.
But of course I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely billions of dollars in cigarettes.
eddie bravo
Think about that.
joe rogan
They buy so many cigarettes all over the world.
To shut that business down, you've got a real problem.
There's a lot of people invested in that business.
There's distribution companies.
There's people that make those things.
There's people that like those things and are going to get them in the dark market.
They're going to figure out a way how to get them, the dark market, the black market.
But you can't make things illegal because you can't tell people what they can and can't do.
If somebody wants to smoke cigarettes, they should be allowed to.
But it's just real weird that the government professes to care about us, but doesn't bring up this one thing that kills a half a million people every year.
In this country alone.
Millions worldwide.
eddie bravo
One cool thing, that was another law, the cigarette law, where you couldn't smoke inside.
That was one of those fucking laws that was beneficial for humanity.
Right.
It was rooted in money.
Somehow, it just turned out that it was actually a good thing for us.
Helmets are a good thing.
Seatbelts are a great thing.
You don't want people that say, I don't want the government telling me I have to put a seatbelt on.
If I didn't want to wear a seatbelt, I go, dude, if you don't wear a seatbelt, you get in an accident, you turn into a vegetable, you're going to have people that you love that are going to have to wipe your ass.
You want to put a fucking seatbelt on so they don't have to wipe your ass, dude.
You know what I mean?
Take care of yourself.
joe rogan
That should be a meme.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
It's safer to wear a seatbelt, for sure.
It's safer to have a very big, sturdy car, you know?
There's a lot of safers, you know, most likely.
But, yeah, it's...
It's weird because I'm a believer that people should have personal freedom.
You should be able to do whatever you want.
But I think that when it comes to young kids, they're too likely to do stupid shit if you allow them to.
And cars, it's a one mistake stupid shit and you're fucked up for life.
It's not worth it.
We should enforce it in any way we can.
But that's sort of the same way I feel about cigarettes.
We should kind of figure out how to enforce that.
That's not a smart thing to get involved with.
eddie bravo
Would you be opposed to a law that made it illegal?
No.
No, no, no.
Something else.
Illegal to be paid all day to go out and spew propaganda on a certain subject.
Would you vote on a law?
Would you pass a law to make that illegal?
joe rogan
I'm confused.
eddie bravo
And to be illegal to pay someone to get online to shill.
That should be illegal, right?
joe rogan
Especially if it's a government, right?
eddie bravo
Wouldn't that save a lot of things?
unidentified
Anybody!
eddie bravo
If it was a serious crime to get paid to get online and spew propaganda, I think everybody would say, yeah!
That should be really illegal.
It should be really illegal for a company to pay someone.
So if you were going to do that, that'd be some underground black market shit.
We're going to give you an envelope with fucking $2,000.
We need to get you in the fucking here's the online.
You got an IP address.
You got to run.
You know what I mean?
It's got to be super easy.
Illegal to do that, right?
joe rogan
Okay.
eddie bravo
I think it's too easy because everyone's talking about, oh, the internet, there's so much information out there.
We can find the truth, but also it works against you.
Yes, you can find the truth, but you could also get strategically flooded with misinformation strategically, and that's what companies are doing.
They will strategically hire people to sway opinion and then put it under sciencedaily.com or sciencewhatever.com.
joe rogan
That's been confirmed that that's been done with climate Yeah.
Climate change?
Totally.
Have you seen that documentary, Merchants of Doubt?
It's really interesting.
It's about a bunch of guys who get paid, and coincidentally, these two subjects are actually connected.
They used to get paid for going on these talk shows and disputing the fact that cigarettes are addictive.
Cigarettes caused health problems.
They would dispute these things.
eddie bravo
How old was that?
joe rogan
They were doing it in the 70s and the 80s.
eddie bravo
Okay, tobacco science.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so then these guys from then, then went to climate change later in life.
The same people are trying to debunk climate change.
And they have these things where they'll show the same people that were involved in trying to debunk cigarettes causing cancer and being addictive.
The same exact people are trying to say, climate change is just a cycle.
It's just the way it is.
It's always going to be this way.
eddie bravo
Do you think that is a sign that something fishy is going on?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Of course.
eddie bravo
That's like basic detective shit, right?
joe rogan
Well, and they're using these...
What's going on, Jamie?
jamie vernon
You guys are talking about this.
I googled the propaganda band being lifted up.
joe rogan
I thought you were talking about Mickey Rourke.
No, no, no.
You got Mickey Rourke playing on two screens here and he's screaming at people and they keep showing it.
eddie bravo
That's Mickey Rourke?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Look who wrote this article.
joe rogan
That's Mickey Rourke.
Have you seen him lately?
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He's gotten very weird.
eddie bravo
Can you rewind that?
joe rogan
Congressmen seek to lift propaganda ban.
jamie vernon
It happened in the NDA, but Michael Hastings is the one that was writing about this.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Propaganda was supposed to target foreigners, could now be aimed at Americans, reversing a long-standing something, something, something.
Can you scroll over there?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'll show you the other thing.
unidentified
It's okay.
joe rogan
The new law would give sweeping powers to the State Department and Pentagon's push television, radio, newspaper, and social media onto the U.S. public.
It removes the protection for Americans, says a Pentagon official who is concerned about the law.
It removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information.
There are no checks and balances.
No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.
That's so crazy.
That is so fucking crazy that they just try to make bills where they will out and out lie about things.
That's their strategy for dealing with terror, is to create a feeling of total imbalance in this country.
Whether or not it's effective or not, as far as a long-term strategy for freedom, it's one of the worst ideas ever.
To say, we, as your elders, your daddy and mommy of the government, we're going to look over you, and we're going to tell you about Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, and we're just going to make shit up.
We're going to make shit up for you.
eddie bravo
Make it all up.
joe rogan
And we think we should be able to, because we know better than you, because we were elected, allegedly, That's what's going on.
Well, we have the information, Eddie Bravo, and I don't think you have that information.
eddie bravo
But if you look at sciencedaily.com, shit.
If you look at that, they got the truth there.
It's right there.
It says science.
joe rogan
Did you see what happened with that fucking Dr. Drew show?
Dr. Drew talked the other day about Hillary Clinton having a brain injury.
He talked about it on TV and what her brain injury was and how dangerous it was, what she was taking, and he didn't agree with her treatment, and they canceled his fucking show.
Cancel this fucking show.
Dr. Drusso canceled days after host gives negative speculation about Hillary Clinton's health.
eddie bravo
Are you shocked or something?
joe rogan
Dude, I'm not shocked.
eddie bravo
People are dying all the time.
I'm not shocked.
joe rogan
I'm just saying like this is some wide-open shit right here.
eddie bravo
Did you know how many astronauts died in 1968?
joe rogan
Two.
eddie bravo
Eight.
And then two more in 69. What happened?
joe rogan
What are they doing?
unidentified
Oh, accidents.
joe rogan
Flying into space.
unidentified
Accidents.
joe rogan
Did you imagine getting on one of them early days rockets?
eddie bravo
These were guys that were going, what do we practice?
They're like taking him through the drills going, wait a minute.
Do you think, remember the guy who hung the lemon?
You know all about that shit.
Did you know eight fucking died in 1968?
unidentified
Eight?
eddie bravo
Eleven total.
Eleven astronauts dead.
Three in the fire that happened in the capsule during testing, and then a car wrecks, random plane accidents.
All guys that were saying, we are not going to the goddamn moon.
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying, but as a voice of reason, or as a skeptical voice...
I would like to know, I'm not saying one way or the other, but I would like to know what the numbers for astronauts normally are in dying and test piloting rockets and shit.
That's a good question.
I mean, I'm not saying that they didn't...
That dude's family still believes they whacked him.
That dude from the guy who hung the lemon on the lamb.
eddie bravo
What the fuck was his name again?
brendan schaub
And the one inspector, the NASA inspector that testified in front of Congress and said, listen, we're not going anywhere.
eddie bravo
We're not going anywhere.
brendan schaub
He got suicided.
joe rogan
He parked his train on a track with his family or parked his car on a train track with his family in it.
eddie bravo
Now that doesn't seem fishy to you?
joe rogan
Oh, it fucking for sure does.
Come on.
brendan schaub
That doesn't seem fishy to everybody?
eddie bravo
Like, wait a minute?
joe rogan
I pushed a lot of that stuff just out of my head.
I'm like, I don't even want to deal with it anymore because it was so frustrating.
A lot of the...
eddie bravo
That's what's going on right now.
joe rogan
The JFK stuff.
Go over the JFK stuff and it makes your head hurt.
brendan schaub
That's real life Game of Thrones.
joe rogan
That's real Game of Thrones.
eddie bravo
There's so many characters in JFK. There's so many.
Holy shit.
To learn all the mob guys that were involved and all...
The government, the way it all went down.
There's so much shit.
That takes forever.
jamie vernon
Where can I find this eight astronauts dying in 1968?
I looked it up just real quick.
joe rogan
Yo, dude, they hit that shit from the man.
jamie vernon
The three of them died in a fire in 1967. Yeah, that was three.
joe rogan
That's 67. Who was the guy who hung the LM on the lunar module?
eddie bravo
Grissom.
joe rogan
Yeah, Gus Grissom.
eddie bravo
Gus Grissom.
They all knew they weren't going.
joe rogan
Do you remember the name of the inspector?
eddie bravo
They knew they weren't going.
joe rogan
I don't remember the name of the inspector.
I'm surprised I don't remember.
I used to be able to recite that shit.
eddie bravo
But look into him, too.
They killed him.
He was testifying.
He goes, what are we doing here?
And I think it cost $30 billion or something to...
joe rogan
Adjusted.
I think that's adjusted to American dollars.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of money.
eddie bravo
Like the fence.
Here's another example.
brendan schaub
Like the fence.
eddie bravo
The fence, the congressman lobbied for it.
brendan schaub
I don't know exactly how it got passed, but they got paid like $3 billion to build that fence.
joe rogan
Which fence?
eddie bravo
The fence that separates Mexico from the United States all the way across the Southwest.
They never finished it.
brendan schaub
They got paid for everything.
eddie bravo
It's so not finished.
brendan schaub
It's like half finished.
eddie bravo
And they just abandon it.
brendan schaub
You know what that was?
eddie bravo
It was a money grab.
It's simple, political...
We create all this funding for something and then fucking skim, pay for some of it, but then if it falls apart, no one even keeps track of it.
There's a documentary called The Fence.
We'll blow your fucking mind.
They never finish it.
They abandon it.
It's deserted.
Mexican dudes are going, what are these Americans doing?
They're interviewing Mexicans and they're just like...
This is easy.
It's ridiculous.
But that's what it is.
Like anytime they put a satellite into space, fucking $35 million.
They go, we need a satellite for more telecommunications.
They fucking launch some shit.
Who knows what that satellite's doing?
They got paid.
They do it all the goddamn time.
It's a scam.
unidentified
It's mafia politics.
joe rogan
I'm with you up to a point.
I lose you when we went from Mexicans getting across the border, no offense, to satellites.
I'm talking about scams.
We got into satellites.
unidentified
Scams.
eddie bravo
It's all a scam.
joe rogan
Okay.
But the Mexican one, yeah, why didn't they finish that?
How much money do they need to finish that fence?
But the problem is they dig holes.
Even if you finish the fence.
eddie bravo
They could have, but they never even finished.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
They just go around the fence.
It's kind of hilarious.
The documentary is like, they show Mexicans going around the fence.
unidentified
How much is left?
joe rogan
How much fence is left?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
How much do they leave behind?
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Enough to have made what they put up a complete waste of time.
joe rogan
Well, when Trump gets into office, the fence is going to get 10 foot higher.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
10 foot higher.
Did you see that New York Times thing?
They're coming after him today.
They're talking about racial bias and renting houses and stuff, renting property.
eddie bravo
You know what's funny?
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
He's so close to being the President of the United States.
eddie bravo
He's not going to win.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
eddie bravo
100% he's not going to win.
joe rogan
What if he does?
eddie bravo
He's not going to win.
It's so obvious.
Hillary's going to win, dude.
100%.
joe rogan
You think so?
eddie bravo
100%.
It's so obvious what Trump...
Trump's just there to say whatever.
He's super smart.
And he just says whatever.
He says whatever it takes to win a certain debate.
And he just goes off.
They're letting him go off.
They're just like...
They said, go off.
Get crazy.
So now, the former head of the CIA... There's a video where it says...
The head of CIA denounces Hillary and Trump.
Really, he's denouncing Trump.
He's crucifying Trump.
And when they ask about Hillary, he says, you know, I got a lot of issues with Hillary, but, you know, she is better than Trump.
And in a lot of ways, she's better than Obama, too.
But I got my issues with Hillary.
But Trump, that dude.
So really, if the head of the CIA is burying Trump, They want Hillary to win really, really bad.
And if they want Hillary to win, trust me, Hillary is going to win.
joe rogan
Okay, let me play devil's advocate and conspiracy theorist at the same time.
If he did win, they should be fucking terrified.
Because if Donald Trump actually does win, and gets into office, and actually gets to...
He's a loose cannon.
He's not playing by their fucking rules.
If they pull him aside and tell him some crazy shit about Afghanistan, or...
Rwanda or Africa.
Well, whatever it is about the world.
Who knows what protocol he's going to follow as far as how he decides to react to that information?
Who knows what government organizations he's going to try to disband?
He's a wild man.
He might slash and burn.
eddie bravo
The way Hillary won in California.
This is just me.
I don't know shit.
But this is my guess.
The way she won in California and the way...
Remember George W. Bush won in Florida?
Remember that one scam?
joe rogan
Yeah, the particle in California.
eddie bravo
The way they did that, whatever was involved in that shit is going to be involved in the main shit this year, and Hillary's going to win.
joe rogan
That's my prediction.
That's what it was, right?
Well, you might be right.
You know what, man?
It's just weird that this is all the Republicans have, and it's weird that this is all the Democrats have.
eddie bravo
I think that's the way they planned it.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
Well, I don't know.
I don't think there's very many people who want to be a president anymore.
eddie bravo
I think Trump is on their side, and he's playing along.
He's just being obnoxious and being crazy.
joe rogan
That son of a bitch.
eddie bravo
And then no one's going to be sad when he loses.
When he loses, no one's going to be sad.
joe rogan
It's not the worst theory in the world.
Crooked Hillary.
I love it how he comes up with names for them, like Lion Ted.
eddie bravo
They're letting him go off because he seems legit.
Because they know it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
He's crazy.
There's no way he's going to win.
joe rogan
Jamie, kill this TMZ Sports.
It's distracting the fuck out of me.
These gentlemen are getting into trouble and they're causing ruckuses.
They know how to keep you paying attention to that shit.
Those TMZ Sports shows, it's just smash cut, smash cut.
Why is she crying?
eddie bravo
limo door open Shot of a girl throwing a drink in a guy's face.
joe rogan
It's it's like hypnosis though, man Like, you get stuck.
Like, I'm talking to you and I'm watching all this go on in the background.
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa!
What's happening back there?
It's funny how you get, like, you were the one who explained that to me once, the first time, about music videos.
That music videos have to be like smash cuts.
You gotta go from one scene to the next scene to the next scene to back and forth.
You can't have anything play on for a long time.
People just stop paying attention.
eddie bravo
And the less continuity, the better.
The only reason they keep going back to certain sets is because they only can afford seven sets.
But really, the ultimate video would be you use every set just one shot, and that would be the ultimate, but you've got to have seven, and it's a three-minute video.
We've got to hit that set maybe six times each, you know what I mean?
So that's how videos are just...
Just we gotta bombard you with shit and it goes everything's cut to the music nice and fast and there was a lot of bands got a car like real visual dudes driving in cars You got to have a video with you somewhat the singer driving, you know?
brendan schaub
Yeah DMX has a video of him driving.
eddie bravo
It's the ultimate video of him driving.
It's like some weird Sin City type special effects.
joe rogan
I forget what song it is fuck, but it's so good God damn Have you ever seen the one where one of the best animated GIFs of all time is 50 Cent sitting in a drop-top Bentley?
And he throws his head back and laughs and drives off.
He's in this super dope...
Probably like, how much is a drop-top Bentley?
Like $400,000 or something crazy?
It must be something crazy, right?
You would not.
eddie bravo
I would say $150,000.
joe rogan
Yeah, he pulls up.
This guy is like a dope car.
And here, 50 Cent pulls up to him and looks at him.
Oh, it's the turtle guy from Entourage.
Yeah, from Entourage.
eddie bravo
I pulled up next to 50 Cent once.
He had a driver behind him trying to cut me off to make sure to protect him.
He was dropping in a convertible just like that.
While I was filming the DVD Mastering the Rubber Guard, this was like 10 years ago, while we were driving around and dudes filming me as I'm driving and I'm talking about jujitsu and we pull up and we're like, there's 50 Cent right there!
It was crazy.
joe rogan
Some cars are so crazy you remember when you saw them.
Like, I was on the front of the Comedy Store once and a Bugatti Veyron drove up.
And I was like...
You ever seen one of those?
It's more than a million dollars.
brendan schaub
Only in that video.
eddie bravo
I woke up in a new Bugatti.
I woke up in a new Bugatti.
brendan schaub
That's a great song, by the way.
That's Ace Hood.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
That's the only time I've ever seen a Bugatti.
How much did that cost?
joe rogan
It's over a million bucks.
I don't know how much it cost.
eddie bravo
I woke up in a Bugatti.
That's the chorus.
joe rogan
It's the craziest car ever.
You know what it's like?
The inside of it?
Yeah.
The inside of it is like some sort of a time machine, some futuristic time machine.
It doesn't even seem like a real car when you're inside it, when you see the interior and the way it's all constructed.
It's all handmade with these crazy gauges and just beautiful leathers, but it doesn't look like any other modern car.
It looks like someone from the H.G. Wells days who was trying to draw a future supercar.
He would draw some weird Bugatti Veyron-type spaceship thing.
It's very interesting.
It's very much its own kind of car.
But it's stupid expensive and insanely fast.
I think it has more than a thousand horsepower.
Which is just...
eddie bravo
It's faster than a motorcycle?
joe rogan
1200 horsepower.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
What's the fact?
Where are we at right now with motorcycles?
Zero to 60 in what?
joe rogan
They just disappear.
They just vanish.
eddie bravo
What is it?
joe rogan
They travel through time.
eddie bravo
What's the record?
Two seconds?
joe rogan
No, it's probably less than that.
eddie bravo
Zero to 60 in one second?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
They have these cars now that are doing it in less than three.
Like regular cars you can go and buy at the store.
No.
Well, I think the Tesla does it very quickly.
eddie bravo
What's the latest with that?
They got some new shit coming out?
joe rogan
How fast does a Tesla go zero to 60?
I was thinking about the...
I heard about the Porsche 911 Turbo S. I think it does it in 2.8 seconds, 0 to 60. Does it ever get to 1?
eddie bravo
Does that happen?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If it got as far as it got, it's going to get to that.
It's going to get to 1. But there's going to be a lot of G-force in that.
That's not an easy thing to deal with.
jamie vernon
The 2017 Model S can do it in 2.5.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
That's a 911...
jamie vernon
Not a Tesla.
joe rogan
Oh, Tesla S. 2.5?
2.5.
eddie bravo
Is that faster than a motorcycle?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think a motorcycle could still do it in the two-ish range.
eddie bravo
How cool is that Tesla car, huh?
Finally an electric car that looks cool.
joe rogan
How about the drives itself?
eddie bravo
How does that work?
joe rogan
It has cameras.
It's reading the ground and the distance around it.
jamie vernon
That's faster than a lot of motorcycles on this list.
joe rogan
Is it really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What about like a Hayabusa?
jamie vernon
Aprilla is on.
eddie bravo
Hayabusa is a motorcycle?
jamie vernon
Hayabusa.
eddie bravo
Well, shit.
brendan schaub
I thought that was just great MMA apparel.
joe rogan
It is great MMA apparel, but it's also a bird.
A very fast bird, I think.
eddie bravo
Hayabusa.
joe rogan
I think it's fast.
What's the fastest bird ever?
I think it's the perigene falcon.
I think there's a falcon that goes like 200 miles an hour.
brendan schaub
I did a commercial for them once where I was like...
joe rogan
For the falcons?
eddie bravo
For Hayabusa.
joe rogan
Oh.
What do you got here, Jimmy?
unidentified
A falcon.
joe rogan
Is that it?
Fastest bird in the world?
242 miles an hour.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
Which, of course, makes it the fastest bird on earth.
What it does is it looks for a critter to jack, and when it's flying around, it finds one that it wants to fuck with, and then it dive bombs and just achieves insane speed.
I guess it, like, just...
Flaps its rings really quick.
It's hard to, the perspective, like you'd see a video on it, but it's hard to like grasp how fast it's actually moving.
It doesn't seem to make sense when you're looking at it.
It just looks like it's going fast.
You don't have any perspective.
You're not on the ground.
But if it like flew by you when you're on the ground, you're probably like, what the fuck?
eddie bravo
It's a rod!
joe rogan
Like, that's faster than any car I've ever seen.
Like, what's a fast car?
250 miles an hour has got to be like what those NASCAR guys do, right?
I don't even think they go that fast.
That's like a Formula One speed, right?
How fast does NASCAR go?
180. Eddie Bravo hates standards.
That's one thing me and Eddie Bravo do not have in common.
Oh, stick shift?
Standard manual stick shift cars?
unidentified
It's 2016. Thank the Flintstones.
joe rogan
How dare you?
I love them.
I love them.
I buy certain cars that are older just because they have stick shifts.
eddie bravo
I like that.
joe rogan
It's engaging, but you associate it with, man, I don't want to have to shift these fucking gears.
eddie bravo
I just want to chill and listen to music.
I don't have to fucking shift gears.
This ain't the fucking 1922. I get it.
joe rogan
Most people think like you.
Nothing wrong with thinking that way, man.
For me.
eddie bravo
You should get an engine with a fucking front crank.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
That would be the coolest shit.
joe rogan
That's not what I like.
eddie bravo
I like to start my fucking engine manually.
joe rogan
There's a zen state that you achieve when you're shifting through the gears yourself and you're revving the engine up to a certain point and you're all tuned in to the action of the car.
Whereas a lot of people in those kind of cars, they don't even listen to music.
The music becomes like the mechanics of the vehicle, the engineering, the way the tires grip the road.
You feel it in your ass.
You shift the gears and you lift up the clutch and you give it the gas and you hear the...
And you become attuned with the machine, and you start feeling where the machine's going.
And it becomes more of like an exercise in stimulation than it does just driving.
But I like driving, too.
Like, I like driving in a fucking big Suburban.
Like, I rented a Suburban this past weekend.
Dude, you ever drive one of them?
Big, cushy-ass fucking boats?
Hell like this, bro.
It is driving.
eddie bravo
Did it have its own built-in vacuum?
Like I saw a minivan, the new fucking Lumineer or something has its own vacuum.
What a great idea, right?
unidentified
It's a great idea if you have kids.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
Super smart.
That's actually wicked smart.
Yeah, no.
Those Suburbans, they have that Cadillac Escalade suspension, but it's just cheaper trim.
It doesn't look as fancy, but it's a nice car.
I rented one of those, man.
They drive so comfortable.
They're so relaxed.
Just like the way I go over bumps and shit.
Cars of today are so goddamn good.
I was thinking when I was driving this Suburban, it's like a 2016 Suburban.
I was like, if you got in a 1950s Mercedes...
And you're like, this is the shit right now.
This is as good as it gets.
And you got in this thing, you're like, whoa, leather seats.
Oh, real wood handle.
You know, you'd be driving this thing around, thinking it was incredible.
I got the top-of-the-line Mercedes, man.
And then someone shoots you to 2016 and puts you in a regular family truck.
Like a Suburban, which is just this big, huge-ass hunk of metal.
And dude, it floats over the road.
It has this feeling when you hit the brakes, like it's just engineered to stop quickly for this big fucking tank.
Even though it's gigantic, it handles good for a big, gigantic thing.
It's comfortable to drive.
eddie bravo
Yet it doesn't look that different than the cars from the 60s.
They're shaped.
They got tires.
Generally, the biggest thing a guy would trip on if he jumped on a time machine from the 60s to now wouldn't be the car so much as it's still fucking tires.
You guys aren't flying yet.
It's still round.
The four tires, you still have four.
They would trip out on the phones more than the cars.
The phones would be like, what the fuck?
We're connected with the world?
This is our connection to everybody.
joe rogan
It's funny there's some shit that's just too risky, like air balloons.
They never fucking got that shit perfected.
Nobody was ever going, hey, here, you know, with air balloons, there's no fresh shower, Bob.
You just start up the fire, fill up the balloon, fly home.
It's no big deal.
Like, well, it's not that accurate today, but hey, you use the exercise.
You walk a few miles from your home.
You land your balloon as close as you can to your home, and then we're all just floating through the sky in the air.
No way.
People are like, fuck, man.
You got to get that down.
But there's no funding to get it down, because nobody's buying any fucking hot air balloons.
And every now and then, like, there was a big accident in Texas, like, really recently.
eddie bravo
An air balloon?
joe rogan
In Texas, in an air balloon.
Yeah, it caught fire, and everybody died.
And it was quite a few people.
I don't remember what the actual number was, but I want to say it was something like...
unidentified
It might have been like seven people or something died.
More?
joe rogan
More, Jamie?
eddie bravo
14?
joe rogan
Was it 14?
16 people.
Oh my god, that's awful.
eddie bravo
Wouldn't the coolest thing to do really as a human being...
joe rogan
Don't you put up a video, Jamie.
Don't you put that fucking evil on me.
He's reaching for the video button.
Don't fucking do it, man.
I want to watch that flaming ball fall to the ground.
eddie bravo
What would be cooler than hand gliding as a hobby?
Think about that.
joe rogan
Hand gliding to me is what killed Hollis Gracie.
eddie bravo
Super dangerous.
joe rogan
Or holes, right?
eddie bravo
But the times that you did it and you didn't die, how cool would that be?
That's the coolest shit ever, right?
You're flying through the fucking air, no engine, you're gliding.
Some guys stay up forever and they find these little hot tunnels.
I mean, it's so dangerous, but...
joe rogan
Is it cooler than those wingsuits?
I think the wingsuits might be doper.
eddie bravo
I think you fly more.
When you're gliding, you feel like you're flying more.
joe rogan
You definitely fly more because you can catch the wind currents.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you're dipping down.
It seems like you're falling.
You're falling, but it takes a long time to fall, as opposed to staying up and actually flying and gliding.
joe rogan
Look at this motherfucker.
He's got a jetpack attached to wings.
eddie bravo
That's cool, too!
Let's see that shit!
joe rogan
Jetpack flying wingsuit available to buy one for yourself.
eddie bravo
Jetpacks?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jetpack will soon be available.
To buy one for yourself, fly anytime you want, jetpack flying suit.
People are gonna fucking suicide bomb right into airplanes.
Their girlfriend's gonna be flying across the country, go fuck some new dude.
unidentified
They're like, this is it!
joe rogan
I found the flight patterns!
Right out of Burbank Airport!
eddie bravo
Holy shit, look at this!
joe rogan
They're gonna get dropped out of a plane, and they're just gonna fly right into 13C. They're gonna time it perfectly.
eddie bravo
Look at this shit.
joe rogan
She's gonna, get an aisle seat, you bitch!
eddie bravo
Dude's gonna be in his footies on a fucking glider next to the plane.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
jamie vernon
I think they just flew a plane.
It went real slow, but it went all the way around the world on solar power.
It was like 12 miles an hour.
It was going super, super slow.
It took like a month.
joe rogan
That must have sucked.
How'd they get food?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
They just slowly stayed up there with food?
jamie vernon
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
How much shit do you think you left up there?
eddie bravo
Why don't you have solar panels, Joe?
joe rogan
How many times do you shit if you're going...
It's being done.
If you're going...
All the way around the world like that and you don't have time to land to take a shit.
How much shit do you actually drop off in that airplane?
eddie bravo
There's a shithole in your outfit.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
You don't have to worry about the plane getting heavier because it's not like you're eating the food and then you're shitting.
The weight stays consistent.
Like mass on an airplane is in a static state.
Like mass on an airplane never decreases or increases unless they drop shit out of the plane.
Solar Impulse 2 approaches Abu Dhabi.
Huh.
Wow, so he really did.
So he had stages.
Okay, which makes sense.
Last stop.
So he's doing it, like, stop at a time.
eddie bravo
That plane had solar panels?
Is that what, are you serious?
joe rogan
It was powered by solar power.
eddie bravo
Now you said you're going to get solar panels now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
When you do, when you put solar panels on your house, do you get off the grid and now you don't need it?
joe rogan
You can get off the grid.
eddie bravo
Can you?
joe rogan
You can, yes.
eddie bravo
But most people give that energy to the city.
Right?
joe rogan
How weird is that?
The easiest way for you to do it is you're not independent.
You're still connected to the grid.
unidentified
How weird is that?
joe rogan
You develop your own power.
Not only that, you've got to talk to Brian Callen about this.
Because Brian Callen was the first of us to do it, and he experienced a lot of bullshit.
A lot of paperwork that you have to go through.
A lot of red tape.
They make it very difficult for you to get off the grid.
It's really interesting.
eddie bravo
You can't just put solar panels?
No?
joe rogan
No, and very, uh, yeah.
eddie bravo
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
He had to go through a long process before they let his equipment go live.
It's all really interesting, man.
But in their defense, here's, like, I gotta do this.
I hate to do this, people, but I gotta do this.
I don't know who's installing this electrical stuff, and we live in fucking California where fires happen all the goddamn time.
So I don't necessarily think it's totally unreasonable that someone doesn't look at the wiring and make sure if you're doing something completely radical like getting off the grid and starting a...
An independent power source.
You've got to connect to this house.
Let's just make sure that you have your credentials in place.
Let's just make sure that everything is done according to code so this fucking house doesn't blow up and you don't burn to death in your sleep.
You know, because, like, these fires that people are having, they're not controlling these goddamn things too good.
There's no water, man.
Where we live, when we look around and you look around at the hills, like, go drive up Topanga Canyon and look at all those hills.
Go drive, you know, out past the 118. Hey, hey.
unidentified
Everywhere.
joe rogan
So when that crazy shit, like, have you talked to Michael Jai White?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
You know, he lives out there, where that last big fire hit.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I was concerned.
I need to get a hold of that dude.
eddie bravo
I saw that he was at Bellator.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not concerned that he's hurt, but concerned that maybe his house was one of the many houses.
I guess he probably would have heard about it in the news, but a lot of people lost houses up there, man.
A lot of people lost houses.
And then San Bernardino, out where Javi is.
In that area, they had a gigantic fire up there.
Huge one.
They had one up near Lake Arrowhead, like up away from Lake Arrowhead they had one.
They've had a few of these fucking things.
They had a giant one in Santa Barbara, did you see that one?
eddie bravo
But why would you get solar panels to give the power back to the city?
joe rogan
Because it's more expensive to set up an independent system.
So most people get to a point where they realize, oh, this is good, so I don't have to pay for power anymore.
Eventually, my solar power will pay for itself, and if you have excess power, you can sell that power back to the city.
eddie bravo
But this is the question.
Why would the city give a fuck?
Oh my god, this guy has a house of solar panels.
You know, let's try to get some of his power that he's collecting.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's that simple.
eddie bravo
We could always use extra power.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's that simple.
eddie bravo
Why would that even come up?
I'm going to get solar panels to give you the power?
That doesn't make any sense.
How would that come up?
joe rogan
Well, let me explain.
As far as I think I know it...
The way the grid works, you know, these power stations, they contribute to the grid.
There are instances sometimes where there's not enough power, right?
Like in the summertime, where everybody's fucking AC's going on, and things blow.
Remember those brownouts that went out, where they shut off the power for different places?
You remember that?
I think what happens is the way the grid is set up, and I'm fucking completely guessing here, but I would guess that if all this power is connected, if there is a grid, that there's more than one contributing factor.
There's more than one contributing factor in powering the grid.
There's probably a power plant.
There's probably more than one thing.
It's probably a system of different power plants that power the grid.
And it's possible, this is total guessing, but if you figure out how to make what's essentially a solar-powered I mean, someone's connecting a solar-extracting device that's generating electricity and you have an excess of it.
They could probably use it.
I don't know if it's that difficult.
I don't know.
eddie bravo
But how come they're not interested in any of the power produced by gas generators that people have in their house?
They don't give a shit about that.
joe rogan
Well, gas generators, first of all, they have to constantly be restocked with gas.
Solar is relying on constant power that's around all the time.
And gas generators are used by a lot of rural people for backups.
Like, I know a lady who lives in the mountains, and she's got a setup where if her power goes out, there's a little switch that goes off, and instantaneously she has a propane tank, a giant-ass propane tank that's like as big as this fucking room, and it kicks in.
And that starts powering her heat, because she lives in the mountains.
eddie bravo
I wonder why their city is local.
joe rogan
Is this a conspiracy again?
eddie bravo
No, I'm just...
I've never heard of any...
Well, the solar...
Is there a solar panel conspiracy?
I don't know.
It's just very strange.
It's all just batteries.
That would even come up.
Solar panels for your house to give the energy to the city.
joe rogan
No, you only give what you're not using.
Is that how it works?
Yeah, absolutely.
You're not doing it like you're farming electricity specifically for the city.
I think you are.
eddie bravo
I think that is the way it is.
joe rogan
Well, you're using the power, and some of it you sell back to the city.
But you're using the power.
That's going to be your source of power.
eddie bravo
You're positive.
Because I could be wrong.
I could be wrong, but...
joe rogan
But it could be that, too.
eddie bravo
Somebody could make it as a farm.
They're going to give you the power that you're all hooked up with.
We're going to give you the free electricity, and then we're going to pay you a little extra, collect our shit, boom.
We want that solar shit, and we'll give you whatever for this price.
joe rogan
Well, of course, don't you think there's going to be solar farms if it's profitable?
eddie bravo
It'll be easier for you, because then you could just keep your plugs.
You don't have to replace them.
Re-plug everything.
Just give us all that power.
joe rogan
But you don't re-plug anything.
You don't change anything.
What does it say?
The sun shines on solar panels generated by DC electricity.
The DC electricity is fed into a solar inverter.
Converts to 240 volts, 50 hertz.
240 volt AC electricity is used to power the appliances in your home.
Surplus electricity is fed back into the main grid.
There you go.
Simple.
Because it's like a renewable resource.
It's a constant resource.
eddie bravo
So that house right there has a solar panel energy from the solar panels back to the grid.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Okay, it doesn't.
joe rogan
It sends surplus.
See the bottom part?
The last dot, it says surplus electricity is fed back into the main grid.
What that means is whatever they don't need.
So if they generate a ton of electricity and they don't need all the electricity, like say if they have a lot of solar panels but they only have a two-bedroom house or a one-bedroom house and it's just a small, comfortable place, they don't need all that power.
They have too much of it.
Why is that confusing, man?
eddie bravo
They want that power, man.
You got any extra power?
joe rogan
That's not what it is, man.
It's just like you gotta get rid of it.
eddie bravo
Sounds crazy.
joe rogan
I think it's like...
eddie bravo
They got too much power?
Them solar panels have too much power?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you can generate too much for what you could store.
eddie bravo
Okay, that makes sense.
If it's a problem, like, shit, we can't do this because then we collect too much and then it becomes a hazard.
joe rogan
I don't...
eddie bravo
Eddie goes, okay, you could give us the extra.
As long as we care about the people and we want to go solar, we want to go solar, so we'll take that extra shit you got and we'll give you a couple dollars for it too.
But don't stop the cause.
It's all about solar.
joe rogan
That's where we're going.
I love how every time Eddie's having a conspiracy conversation with some imaginary executive is like a dude selling weed.
It's like a dude selling weed deal.
Yo, yo, yo, I know your situation, man, right?
You can't pay for an eighth, but you want an eighth.
So I'm going to give you an eighth.
This is what I'm going to do.
I'm going to give you an eighth, and I'm going to give you three days.
And instead of that eighth being 50 bucks, it's going to be 65 bucks, dog.
What are you going to get it right now?
eddie bravo
I want you to buy a mama house.
joe rogan
Dude, you gotta get into this weed game.
The weed game is amazing, dog.
It's amazing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, why aren't we in the weed game?
We should have our own dispensaries.
joe rogan
Because we want to stay out of jail in Bravo.
eddie bravo
We need to wait.
I think at this point we could have our own dispensary, man.
joe rogan
Well, I think, honestly, it's too much work.
eddie bravo
Joe and Eddie's.
joe rogan
It's too much work.
Here's the other thing.
They can't use credit cards in a lot of these places still.
Isn't that the case?
They're transferring large amounts of cash.
They're hiring ex-military guys.
eddie bravo
What if we get some super billionaire guy or multi-millionaire guy to use our faces?
Just ask them for money.
joe rogan
They just want one picture.
eddie bravo
They want that one money shot to hang in the front of me and you smoking a joint or something.
joe rogan
Well, I'll do that.
But that's what Cheech and Chong do, right?
They'll do like some, they'll sell some fucking rolling papers or some shit.
eddie bravo
We need more stony, we need that, uh, we'd have to...
joe rogan
But don't you remember when Tommy Chong got put in the pokey?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I think those days are gone.
joe rogan
For bongs, bro.
eddie bravo
I think those days are gone.
joe rogan
I hope so.
But you know what I was really worried, man?
I was really worried if Ted Cruz got in.
I was like, the nuttiness could like rise to a whole new level.
Like, if you give people a bar, and this is what I've been saying that I like about Obama, whatever he did that people don't like, I understand.
I get it.
I'm with you.
I'm not even saying that.
I'm not talking about his performance as far as, like, what he's done foreign policy-wise.
I'm talking about, like, what he represents.
Like, when you see him on television, he's well-spoken, he's articulate, he went to Harvard, he's a bright guy, he seems like a guy that you would think would be, like, one of the smartest people that you're ever gonna come across.
Makes sense that he's running shit.
You know, if a guy like Ted Cruz or a lot of these other people that wanted to be president, especially people with wacky fucking religious ideas that just don't jive with anything that we know, if those people get into a position where they have massive amounts of influence, people start getting really confused.
I didn't used to think that until the, obviously I've learned because I'm older, but I didn't think that that much until the Bush administration.
The Bush administration and then the 9-11 attacks made me go, whoa, like our consciousness is so much more fragile than I thought it was.
Because I thought what we were, like, as Americans in the 90s before the 9-11 attacks during the Clinton thing, I thought we were ridiculous in some ways because of the whole Clinton-Monica Lewinsky thing, and there was definitely some fuckery going on in other countries, but it didn't seem like the world was unsafe.
Like, it seemed like the world...
The world felt like we got over that Cold War shit with the Russians.
We're gonna be okay.
The world felt safe.
Like, you had this guy, even if he's full of shit and he's getting his dick sucked, listen to him talk.
He's obviously smart as fuck.
You know?
Like, maybe some...
You know, maybe some...
People that are crazy get to the point where they're president.
Some whip your dick out type dudes.
Maybe people get crazy and they still get to the point where they're president.
But obviously a very, very smart guy.
Very well spoken.
And then the Bush presidency came along.
It was so transparent.
All of it was so transparent.
And then Cheney was essentially running the show and he was always in a bunker.
Remember when Cheney was always in the bunker?
He was always in a bunker.
There was always talking about Cheney's hidden away somewhere in a fucking bunker.
And there was that Wolfowitz dude hanging around, and all these other fucking Donald Rumsfeld-type characters.
All these merchants.
All these, like, war merchants.
They were all swarming around.
And then we're at war.
Like, all of a sudden, we're constantly at war.
For like this massive, massive amount of time.
And it still hasn't let up.
All these years later.
Dude, 9-11 was 15 years ago.
eddie bravo
People jumping off buildings and just smashing into the streets.
That just happened.
joe rogan
It was 2001, right?
2001. That's 15 years ago.
eddie bravo
Yep.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
We've been in a perpetual state of war for a sophomore's entire life.
Sophomore in high school.
Some kid who's...
jamie vernon
There's kids that are, I think, freshmen this year are learning about it just through history books.
They didn't experience it in one second of their life.
joe rogan
Of course.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, most people that are even, you know, 10 and above, their parents are probably going to shield them from it for the most part when it's happening.
Sixteen years ago.
So anybody younger than 26 barely understands what happened.
Barely.
That's fucking crazy.
What a change of the world.
So I get real nervous now.
I get real nervous.
I just don't think that the way we're doing it right now is appealing to anybody that we really want to run us.
There's a few people.
Like, Gary Johnson makes sense, that libertarian guy that we had in here.
He seems like a real person.
And he has real experience, like, running New Mexico.
But I don't know enough.
I just don't know enough about politics.
I don't know enough to really...
I mean, I think you have to know it the way you know jiu-jitsu.
I think you have to really know it.
Like, if some dude who's like a blue belt in Japanese jiu-jitsu starts talking to you about wrist locks, you'd be like, bitch...
That's what I am, really, when I'm talking about politics.
I have a skeletal understanding of the way the system works.
eddie bravo
I'm a four-stripe white belt.
joe rogan
Exactly.
eddie bravo
I'm going to get my blue.
I would have had it already, but...
joe rogan
I might have a yellow belt if we're doing karate.
I might have just gotten my belt after I got my yellow stripe and I was super pumped.
Finally, my belt wasn't just plain white.
But that's where it ends.
That's where it ends.
And so, like, if I'm talking to some yellow belt and they're trying to talk to me about effective striking techniques, I get real irritable.
eddie bravo
I like it when you ask someone's rank in jiu-jitsu and they go, oh, I'm going to get my blue.
I'm going to test for sure.
joe rogan
Poor bastard.
eddie bravo
I'm going to test for my purple.
joe rogan
Jiu-jitsu might be one of the only things that you really cannot possibly understand what's happening if you don't do it.
If you've never done it, you just are not going to know what's going on.
You're just not going to know.
You can have a little bit of an understanding, like here's an arm bar.
I've seen this transition to triangle before.
Oh, I've heard it said that if you commit too hard on that Kimura and you don't have to control the legs, the guy can counter with the far side arm bar.
A lot of people have these things in their head that they know to be true, but they don't know it the way you know it.
They're not gonna know it the way you know it.
There's no way.
They're not gonna see things that you're seeing.
When you're watching Damien Maia choke out Carlos Condit tonight, you're going through the path with him, right?
Like when you're seeing it, yeah, you know the path.
A lot of other people are watching it, and they're in the middle of it.
eddie bravo
He's on top of him, smashing him.
He's getting on him.
He's on him.
joe rogan
Oh, he's on his back.
So think about how few people can watch Damian Maia choke out Carlos Conda and see the path.
See the path he's going to take.
Watch him execute it flawlessly.
See this jujitsu, not just in like, oh my god, what is he doing?
But see every single step of the way.
Well, I think that there's, just like jujitsu, that's just the case with every fucking thing that exists in this goddamn world.
Somewhere, someone has probably studied all their life to try to figure out how microphones work.
You or I have put virtually no thought into it whatsoever, but luckily somebody did, so we have this microphone.
That's how I feel about everything.
That's how I feel about astronomy.
That's how I feel about the lunar rover on the moon.
That's how I feel about all these things.
Like, there's gotta be somewhere out there that's gotta be mad as fuck that two dumb stoners are talking about whether or not the rover is legit.
And these fucking guys have been working at it their whole life.
They got scientific papers.
They're, like, pulling their hair out in the middle of the night, doing Adderall, trying to figure out how to make the calculations perfectly so this giant inflatable ball encompasses...
What do they do?
What happens?
I think there's a giant inflatable ball, I don't know if they did it this way, that encases the entire machine.
eddie bravo
I saw that cartoon.
joe rogan
Is that what it was supposed to be?
eddie bravo
It was a cartoon.
It's not real.
Of course they don't.
joe rogan
They should definitely send back some video.
eddie bravo
They don't have any video of that.
joe rogan
Dude, there's people listening right now mad at us.
I need proof.
eddie bravo
Too many lies.
joe rogan
People are like, yo, bro, that UFC, bro?
Bro, that shit's fake as fuck, dude.
That's just like WWE. It's WWE, but they've got some other tricks up their sleeve, and occasionally they hit each other, but dude, trust me, it's all fake.
So this is what it was.
eddie bravo
I wouldn't care if someone said that.
joe rogan
So parachutes came down, thin-ass atmosphere, right?
There's almost no atmosphere there.
eddie bravo
Actual footage right here.
joe rogan
So it drops and then explodes into these, inflates into these big bouncing balls.
eddie bravo
If that was in a movie, you'd be pissed.
joe rogan
And then it has these things that try to slow it down, these jets that shoot down, and then it hits the ground and bounces.
This looks like the shittiest fucking place to move to of all time.
That's what Mars looks like.
eddie bravo
It looks like the desert.
joe rogan
It looks way worse than the desert, because you can go to the desert and you get gas.
There's a fucking highway going through it, and it stops we're gonna take a shit.
eddie bravo
Very, very few spots on Earth have humans.
joe rogan
I know.
eddie bravo
Very few spots.
If you land on Earth, you'd land on this, probably, more than a city.
A city is, fuck, there's hardly no cities on this planet.
joe rogan
Dude, I was camping in the Nevada high country just a week ago.
eddie bravo
Get on a plane and look down.
You don't see that many cities.
There's way more barren wasteland than anything.
joe rogan
Well, when you're in the Nevada high country, you realize there's a reason why nobody fucking built houses out here.
Like, it's a hardscrabble world.
We were there, you know, like, in August.
And it's like 100 degrees during the day.
It gets hot as fuck.
You gotta bring a lot of water with you.
And at night, it gets down to the 30s.
It's freezing.
Freezing at night.
I mean, you freeze your fucking dick off, and there ain't shit up there.
Just a bunch of deer and some rabbits.
Some occasional streams.
Sage bushes.
eddie bravo
That's a Terminator right there.
joe rogan
Are you looking at the video right now?
Because people are listening.
They don't know what we're talking about.
eddie bravo
We're looking at the Mars rover landing on Mars.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo doesn't believe it.
eddie bravo
Well, this is not real.
joe rogan
This is CGI. Well, this is CGI. They have to explain where they are spending all their money.
eddie bravo
I like it.
joe rogan
They're making this little robot arm come up.
Which, for sure, if I was going to build a little robot arm, I'd make it bounce all over the fucking surface of the desert.
Can you imagine if your iPhone was stuck in the middle of that ball and it bounced?
For sure it wouldn't work.
This thing is robust.
Strong wiring.
Imagine if somebody fucked up one little wire and they landed on the moon.
That's happened before, hasn't it?
Haven't they shot things all the way to the moon and forgot they turned them on?
Or all the way to Mars and it didn't work?
They don't always work.
where's the video communication for months at a time yeah pops back on yep like oh where's the video at that's like well the YouTube video is the most important So whenever we can find a YouTube video, we should cherish it.
eddie bravo
It could be on Vimeo or Myspace.
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Ustream is good.
I like GeoCities websites.
Those are my favorite.
They have the best info.
Yeah, Angelfire.
Yeah, man.
It's interesting when you look at all the different websites today.
Like, how many websites are there?
If you had to guess.
How many, like, different places could you go on the internet today, right now?
eddie bravo
One billion?
joe rogan
Hmm.
That makes sense.
I bet that's right.
I bet it might be higher.
jamie vernon
I was thinking, I think last night, there was a time on the internet, not that long ago, where you'd have seen most stuff that has come through.
You'd be like, oh yeah, I've seen that.
I've seen that picture.
Like, you'd see a boobs and be like, I know whose boobs those are.
But now there's just so much shit coming through literally every single day.
You couldn't catch up if you made a point.
brendan schaub
It's great for making homemade documentaries, too.
eddie bravo
If you have a speech, any speech, you just want to pour out all your thoughts and blogs or whatever, anything that you're saying, you can punch it in Google and just have a low-budget documentary.
Everybody's doing those.
brendan schaub
You just collect all the pictures.
eddie bravo
You listen to someone speak, or you, or whoever, and just listen to it once and write notes, I need a picture of that, I need a picture of that, you get all those pictures, line them up, boom, and you have a goddamn documentary.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then it's on YouTube, and then you're changing the world, motherfuckers, letting bitches know about rods.
You can do that shit on your phone now, too, which is even more interesting.
You can do a whole movie on your phone.
You can just make a movie, you and your buddies.
Here, hold the phone now.
And then you do your scene.
Then he does his scene.
You added it all together.
eddie bravo
It's crazy.
brendan schaub
You know who does that a lot is Carla Esparza.
unidentified
Does she?
eddie bravo
She's always making little tiny one-minute sketches.
joe rogan
Good for her.
unidentified
Good for her.
eddie bravo
She's very animated.
joe rogan
Nice.
Yeah.
Women's fucking strawweight division heated up tonight.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Paige Van Zandt jumping a roundhouse kick to the face.
That was crazy.
eddie bravo
Okay, so Johanna is the champion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And then who else is right there?
Is there that Valentina chick?
joe rogan
Yeah, Valentina Shevchenko.
brendan schaub
And also Thug Rose.
joe rogan
No, Valentina Shevchenko, I'm sorry, she's a Bantamweight.
eddie bravo
135?
joe rogan
Yeah, because Valentina Shevchenko just beat Holly Holm, remember?
eddie bravo
Here we go.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Jessica Andrade, she dropped down.
eddie bravo
Those are the top chicks?
brendan schaub
How come I don't recognize any of those girls?
eddie bravo
Damn.
I don't know shit.
I know Joanne Calderwood.
joe rogan
Courtney Casey just won last week.
brendan schaub
I know Courtney Casey.
eddie bravo
She's a badass.
joe rogan
She's badass.
brendan schaub
Alex Chambers.
Heather Jo Clark.
Okay, I know these girls.
joe rogan
This is the current rankings?
eddie bravo
That can't be, because those top girls, I've never heard of them, but I've heard of all these.
jamie vernon
Amanda Cooper.
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you, Jamie?
jamie vernon
How dare you?
joe rogan
How dare you?
eddie bravo
So it's a random listing?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just random.
eddie bravo
My alphabet.
unidentified
Um...
joe rogan
Let's see if they have rankings.
Here we go.
Okay.
That's weird that they have it.
Okay.
Here we go.
Women's strawweight.
What do we got here?
Blow that bitch up.
What do we got here?
Oh, yeah.
Rose Namajunas.
Karolina Kowalska.
eddie bravo
Claudia?
joe rogan
Kowalska.
I have to say that right.
I always fuck it up.
Karolina Kowalska.
eddie bravo
Pages way down to ten?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Kowalska is the one who just beat Rose.
That was a great fight.
eddie bravo
Rose just lost?
joe rogan
Yeah, she just lost to Kevalkovich.
eddie bravo
Damn, I missed that one.
joe rogan
And there's Tisha Torres.
She's badass.
eddie bravo
So Carolina beat Rose.
brendan schaub
How did she beat her?
joe rogan
Just a decision.
Really good fight.
Was that a five-round fight?
Why do I think that was a five-round fight?
eddie bravo
You think Ronda's coming back?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
How much money she'll make?
Do you know how big it'll be when Rhonda comes back?
brendan schaub
Right now, it could just be Rhonda and Cyborg right off the bat.
eddie bravo
Right off the bat, and that would be the biggest fight ever.
Even though she just lost.
joe rogan
Do you think she would do that?
What do you think she would do?
eddie bravo
That would be the most gangster move right there.
brendan schaub
Just say fuck it.
That would be the ultimate gangster.
Rhonda just said, I'm coming back, and it's me and Cyborg.
eddie bravo
We're going to do 140. Let's fucking do this shit for a Super Bowl fight of all time.
Let's do it.
brendan schaub
That would be the gangster shit.
joe rogan
That would be the gangster shit.
brendan schaub
Or, uh, you gotta get Holm.
Holm right now.
eddie bravo
Holm's like on a down swing.
It's a perfect time for Ronda to, cause for sure Holm ain't gonna turn down Ronda.
So Ronda's in control of that fight.
She can get redemption right off the bat.
joe rogan
Do you think she does that, or do you think she goes straight to a title shot?
brendan schaub
All three.
Cyborg would be the biggest.
Title shot would be big.
I'll be big, but I think Cyborg would be the biggest.
And people would understand that she's not getting a title shot right away.
joe rogan
Dude, Amanda Nunes is goddamn terrifying.
She's terrifying.
eddie bravo
But her against Cyborg would be bigger.
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
Even with that title?
joe rogan
100%.
brendan schaub
Her and Cyborg would be bigger than her and Holm.
joe rogan
Amanda Nunez is legit as fuck, obviously, after she beat Misha Tate, but she's gonna have to have some more fights where people know about her more to get the big money fights, I think.
You know, to get people, to get a Ronda to want to fight her.
Everybody wants to see the Cyborg fight.
eddie bravo
Holm and Ronda would be fucking mega.
You just base it all on the revenge, but Holm did lose her last two fights, so that kind of could...
joe rogan
Doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
Doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Mickey Ward and Homeboy?
What the fuck?
Arturo Gatti?
Like that trilogy, nobody cared they weren't the best in the world.
No one gave a fuck.
See, that's what I think about this whole, not that Connor's not one of the best in the world, because he definitely is, and so is Nate.
eddie bravo
They fought for a non-title at 170 and it didn't matter.
joe rogan
Dana, yeah, Dana thinks for some reason that that fight doesn't make sense to do it again.
I'm like, oh my god, are you crazy?
Like, please do it again.
Please.
Like, if they want to do it, are they both saying they want to do it?
Who the fuck doesn't want to see that fight again?
And if he's got to give up the featherweight fight or the featherweight title to have that fight again...
Just give up the title.
Give up the title.
Yeah, put that fight on again.
Definitely.
You don't want to see that again?
eddie bravo
Yes, but it'll happen regardless if Conor wins or loses his upcoming matches.
It wouldn't even affect it.
brendan schaub
Like, if he decided to fight...
joe rogan
Why take chances?
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter.
brendan schaub
Even if he loses, it doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
That third fight is there.
That third fight is always going to be there.
brendan schaub
Because if you put Conor against anybody at 55 right now, have him relinquish that title, give it back to Aldo, do 55, do anybody, do Magna Medov.
That would be huge.
eddie bravo
Or Tony Ferguson would be huge.
There'd be a lot of press on that.
Tony Ferguson deserves that.
And then also, you could just finish that Rafael Dos Anjos, make that happen.
joe rogan
Well, I think if he fights at 55, it's already been stated that he's going to fight for the title.
So he would go right to Alvarez.
He would fight Eddie Alvarez immediately.
eddie bravo
That would be beautiful, too.
joe rogan
That would be beautiful.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
joe rogan
That would be beautiful.
That would be crazy.
eddie bravo
So many epic matches.
Dude, I'm telling you, dude.
Conor's going to buy a fucking island and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably a couple islands.
unidentified
Yeah.
Probably have a UFO. He's not going to have pit bulls.
eddie bravo
He's going to have, what are those fucking hyenas?
joe rogan
Hyenas.
eddie bravo
He's going to have hyenas instead of pit bulls.
He's going to drive a tank instead of a fucking, any car.
Once you see a car in a tank, a tank in front of a castle with hyenas, Yeah.
joe rogan
Gold bars all around his bedroom.
eddie bravo
And a private jet, like Trump's private jet, which is like a 757. Just like a whole, not just a little jet, a whole goddamn jumbo jet for yourself.
joe rogan
Do you know I know there's something wrong with Trump?
Do you know how I know there's something wrong with Trump?
Because he was eating Kentucky Fried Chicken on his airplane with a fork and a knife.
brendan schaub
Was he?
Okay.
That's a good sign.
eddie bravo
That's a flag.
joe rogan
That ain't good.
Tell me.
Tell me what the fuck's going on there.
Can you hang with a dude who eats Kentucky Fried Chicken with a fork and knife?
Look at what's going on here.
What's going on here?
eddie bravo
He has class, maybe.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm a skeptic.
I'm a skeptic.
joe rogan
How do you feel about fork and knife Kentucky Fried Chicken?
I feel like it's dudes who wear sneakers who don't have any socks on.
Listen, you stinky bitch.
Come back to America.
eddie bravo
There's no proof.
jamie vernon
Doesn't that seem like a very product placement type little photo?
You're right, it does.
joe rogan
Do you think he got paid by KFC? How dare you?
jamie vernon
He's not eating a whole bucket to himself.
joe rogan
Ah, he might.
eddie bravo
And what happened on...
joe rogan
Go off.
eddie bravo
Shit.
Was it David Letterman?
I don't know.
He was on some talk show where they were calling him out on bringing out clothes from companies that he owned.
You're talking about the China trade.
Where'd you make this?
Isn't this your shirt?
Isn't this your company?
joe rogan
Is that Seth Meyers' show?
eddie bravo
Someone busted him out.
brendan schaub
They must have been old because I'm thinking it's David Letterman and they must have been at least two years old or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
eddie bravo
But he gets called out on the show.
He's bringing out clothing that Donald Trump owns.
joe rogan
Yeah, make America great again by hiring Chinese people to make you shirts.
brendan schaub
He's just saying whatever it takes.
joe rogan
I have a friend who has some sort of a marketing business or a manufacturing business, rather, where they make clothes.
They make outdoor clothes, like hiking and mountaineering clothes.
And they say that they can't find A sew house in America that is up to the same standards as a sew house as they find in China, because they do so much manufacturing.
They're like, look, we would like to do this in America, but in order to have the very best quality of clothing, like, you literally can't do what he's doing in America right now.
That's pretty fucking weird.
Like, that's one of the scariest things that happened when they started shipping manufacturing overseas.
It's like other places got way more manufacturing jobs, right?
But they also were working for insanely low wages and living in the factories.
You know?
Like, that's one of the weirder things about buying products.
Like, if you buy something from China, like if you buy an iPhone, we all know it in our dirty little heart of hearts that there's nets all around those buildings to keep those people from jumping to their death, and they live there.
And somebody actually, like, was arguing, well, you know, the statistic likelihood of someone committing suicide at one of those factories is not that different than the statistic likelihood of people in the area committing suicide.
They live and work in that factory.
It gives you a deceptive number of how many people who work in the factory committing suicide.
eddie bravo
And plus, we have nets.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
So what's the problem?
joe rogan
I was like, yeah, but the problem is they're killing themselves where they work.
How many people kill themselves when they work?
Like, worldwide.
Like, the number's pretty fucking low.
That's why it's weird.
When people jump to their death rather than go to work again, that's fucking weird, man.
That's weird.
Oh, were they smoking cigarettes when they jumped?
Yes, even weirder.
They work as slaves to buy cigarettes, to jump to their death while they're making iPhones.
And people stare at them.
brendan schaub
On Viagra.
joe rogan
Yeah, they get Viagra and random boner pills.
Foxconn replaces 60,000 factory workers with robots.
Good news?
jamie vernon
I mean, kind of.
joe rogan
Not really for those people that need that money.
I don't know, man.
That's the weird, slippery argument.
I know these people that had a factory down somewhere in South America, make some clothes for this big company, and they were talking about how much money it saves them.
I go, yeah, but doesn't it feel weird that these people are so poor and that they work all day in the factory?
I'm not trying to be mean or anything.
She's like, well, if they didn't have that, they would starve to death.
And I was like, well, would they really?
Like, how'd they get there in the first place?
Is this the only option?
The only option is they have to work insane hours for shit money so that they can make clothes so they can barely get by.
Like, that's the only option?
That sounds so close to slavery.
It sounds so close.
It's just like an economic slavery.
eddie bravo
It's a freelance slavery.
brendan schaub
They found that after a while, slavery evolved into it.
eddie bravo
You wouldn't have to fucking house them.
We just pay them so they don't think they're slaves and then let them house themselves and they're barely going to be able to afford anything so they got to work all day.
Perfect.
Now we can keep our barn for our fucking animals.
joe rogan
If they came up with basic income here in America, like if they instituted like a living wage, you know, like whatever it would be, and then we started not doing that and like not doing that to other parts of the world.
Like if America got to a point, whatever the point is, like 25 bucks an hour, 20 bucks an hour, whatever it needs to be where you could totally survive off of war, you can't pay anybody less than that because they can't survive.
Like it's been determined.
Like this is like a reasonable amount that you could pay someone with their time.
The difference between that money and how much money you can spend in a third-world country hiring people to make your shit, it's staggering.
The amount more money that you make is staggering.
It's just weird that we allow it.
It's weird that we think it's okay.
Like, it's over there, it's over there, it's over there.
brendan schaub
It's just my company.
eddie bravo
If it's your company, I'm like, fuck it.
brendan schaub
This is my company.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird we have, like, boundaries.
Like, we're okay if it's across the dirt.
Or if it's across the water, it's okay.
But if it's inside of us, we would never allow it, right?
Like, think of the United States of America, right?
The United States of America from New York to Los Angeles.
This big, open, there's a lot of crazy shit in there.
There's a lot of places where there's no people living.
If somehow or another they established some sort of manufacturing in the middle of the country out there and paid people a dollar a day and had them working like slaves and living in these buildings and jumping off the roofs, we would never tolerate it.
Because it's inside of our dirt patch.
But if it goes across the water to the other dirt patch, you're like, outrageous!
Meanwhile, for sure, with us buying these things, we're directly responsible for them being able to have such a factory in the first place.
And everybody's like, well, everybody else is doing it.
And we just keep doing it.
brendan schaub
Those factories learned how to use the internet, man.
They bombard everybody in the jiu-jitsu world about gis and rash guards and spats.
eddie bravo
Oh, man, I get these emails every day, multiple ones all over China, Pakistan, everywhere.
brendan schaub
They're coming after people now.
eddie bravo
It used to be that...
brendan schaub
Only certain people had connections, and you had to go there and find the connections.
eddie bravo
You hear crazy stories about these guys in jiu-jitsu, like Scotty Nelson from OTM. You had to go to China, deep in China, find these factories, and make these deals.
joe rogan
Scotty did all that?
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's got some nightmare stories, dude.
In Pakistan.
joe rogan
Oh, I can imagine.
eddie bravo
Crazy shit.
Taking crazy chances.
joe rogan
I believe it.
brendan schaub
He's got some stories.
eddie bravo
He told them my podcasts were fucking nuts.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
I believe it, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I believe it.
brendan schaub
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's parts of the world that you're just not safe in.
That's why when people come from those parts and they come back, they go, dude.
Like, we gotta keep this going.
Whatever we got going on here, we gotta keep this going.
We can't let this thing erode.
Like, it's not perfect.
United States isn't perfect.
But the whole world is in a fucking turmoil right now.
It's a sustainable, currently sort of sustainable turmoil, but it's in a turmoil, you know?
I mean, this is a weird time to be a person.
I think everybody realizes we're in some strange transitionary stage of being a human being.
Where human beings are aware of, like, infinitely more now than they were just a few decades ago.
And we're evaluating everything about everything.
And putting it through this filter and trying to figure it out and going, whoa, what kind of weird life are we living?
This temporary existence, trying to sort out this impossibly complicated, fucked up world of political connections and...
One hand washing the other and...
The Clinton Foundation and all this...
We're in Gotham.
Oh, dude.
brendan schaub
This is Gotham.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true, but I love some conspiracy theories.
And one of them that I've been dabbling in is all these people that crossed Hillary that turned up dead...
brendan schaub
Business as usual.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
brendan schaub
The same shit.
That's not new.
joe rogan
Somebody had a meme that you are statistically less likely to get bit by a shark than you are to get killed by Hillary.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
She's a gangster.
Her and her husband.
eddie bravo
Those guys are fucking gangsters.
joe rogan
Well, do you think that they got...
I would love to think that Dr. Drew was on the way out anyway.
And then, you know, he got fired just coincidentally after he said that about Hillary.
brendan schaub
I think...
joe rogan
I would like to think that.
brendan schaub
I think corruption in politics borrows a lot from the mafia.
They work hand-in-hand most of the time.
And they like to make statements because they're so...
eddie bravo
When you look into people that are dying around Hillary, dude, there's people that are dying around Hillary.
brendan schaub
Bill and Hillary from back in the day.
eddie bravo
They get suicided.
If you got suicided of some guy that was about to do, he was about to testify, and then he gets suicided, but it's obvious it's not a suicide.
brendan schaub
It's like he got shot in the back of his head.
eddie bravo
It's a message.
It's a mess, just like the mafia.
They're not going to just kill someone and make someone disappear.
That's a waste.
Why make him disappear?
Put him out and open.
Cut out his tongue.
Stuff his dick down his throat.
Give a message.
brendan schaub
So that message is, shut the fuck up.
eddie bravo
We obviously got the coroner in our pocket, so shut the fuck up.
Those kind of murders are everywhere.
They're generally suicides.
joe rogan
Well, how about that guy that got convicted?
Who's that guy, Hassert, that got convicted of child molestation?
They only gave him 15 months?
jamie vernon
The guy that she was defending?
joe rogan
Dennis Hassert.
He's some, I want to say, he's some serious judge that got convicted of child molestation, pedophilia, child pornography.
He's a house speaker.
This is a crazy story.
I just tweeted a study about it, that they were doing an investigation of it.
Really scary stuff.
Yeah, enormous amount of tragedy surrounding revelations that former House Speaker J. Dennis Hassert sexually abused a number of young men whom he coached during his time as a high school teacher and wrestling instructor, but there's also an enormous amount of hypocrisy as the public words of a...
Okay, so this is him talking shit about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.
But the thing is that he only went to jail for 15 months.
He got an extraordinarily low sentence.
Short sentence.
Just try to find what the sentence is.
Because there's a bunch of criticism about it.
And there's a bunch of really revealing aspects to it.
I don't know.
It's scary.
It's scary to think that someone could do that and only get 15 months because of political connections.
But it makes sense, right?
jamie vernon
When I was looking up something, I forget the exact name right now.
When I was looking through these a couple weeks ago, the deaths and some of the people that were killed and some of the weird things that were going on, I'll try to find the guy's name, but he was one of the pardons from Clinton before he got out of office.
And he was indicted by Giuliani.
For what was going to be the biggest U.S. tax evasion in history.
It's something like $60 million.
He's a billionaire.
And he basically bought his way out of his conviction.
joe rogan
And then he turned up dead after that?
jamie vernon
No, he wasn't dead at all.
This guy just bought his way out of going to jail.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So this is not a guy.
unidentified
He gave money to Clinton Foundation.
jamie vernon
He gave money to this and that.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, you can do that.
If you know the right people and you got the right kind of cash, you can't do it if you're Bob Wilson, camera repairman.
You know, you don't have the kind of cash to pay these fucking people off.
jamie vernon
Mark Rich was his name.
eddie bravo
Yeah, if you got cash, if there's enough money and power behind it, you can get the people to believe anything.
As long as you can get it on commercials and on the news media, you can get people to believe the most ridiculous shit.
You can get people to believe big dick pills actually work.
If you got big pharma to market it, not like those late night commercials.
joe rogan
How do they do those late night commercials?
How do they get away with that?
I don't know.
Laws don't count at night?
eddie bravo
But can you imagine if Big Pharma decided to take these big, big pills, pay off a couple professors in Yale like they've been doing, and Harvard, and just say, shit, this really...
And then presented as a problem, are you a victim of short dick syndrome or something like that?
You know what I mean?
But call it something.
Call it somethings.
And can you imagine?
You pay off two dudes.
One dude.
One dude from Yale.
You have him on in the infomercial.
It's totally big farm it out.
After a while, you'd be considered a conspiracy nut if you believe that shit didn't work.
joe rogan
Right, right.
eddie bravo
You understand?
Totally.
All you need is a couple of Harvard scientists to say, oh, you're going to gain 20 to 30 percent in the first month.
Everybody would jump on that.
It's so easy.
You put it on fucking CNN. New report.
You can grow your male genitalia up to three inches in four months.
joe rogan
Dr. Drew here with the report.
eddie bravo
All you need is one doctor.
joe rogan
Dr. Drew, that's how you get back on the mainstream.
eddie bravo
Yeah, get him to do it.
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
That's how you get him back in.
eddie bravo
Dude!
And how would anybody ever get sued?
joe rogan
He has to kiss Hillary's feet.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the amount of evidence you would need to sue?
The class action suit, all the pictures of dicks, the before and after pictures, and the class action suit, 150,000.
joe rogan
Nobody wants you to see their little dick, and then still little dick.
Oh, man.
I gotta get the fuck out of here, Eddie Bravo.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
We just did four and a half hours or some shit.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Can I give a quick EBI plug?
joe rogan
Yeah, September 11th.
eddie bravo
September 11th on UFC Fight Pass.
It's on a Sunday.
EBI ate the middleweights featuring Gordon Ryan, Eduardo Telles, Matt Arroyo.
Also, you can get it on pay-per-view if you don't want to subscribe.
Go to UFC.tv and go to EBIOfficial.com to buy tickets to see it live.
We got $20 tickets, or $35 tickets, and $85 tickets.
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