July 21, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:12:57
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*Dun-duh* Look at my dick! | |
| Hey, what happened? | ||
| This is a heterosexual Top 40 song, and then all of a sudden, look at my dick. | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| That just popped out! | ||
| No pun intended, you fucks! | ||
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Ah! | |
| You filthy animals. | ||
| He's back from Italy, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I'm back from the south of France. | ||
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Wow, man. | |
| We both went to Europe. | ||
| Very cultured. | ||
| Very cultured. | ||
| Did you drink wine over there? | ||
| Of course I did. | ||
| Did you contact the sommelier and just let him know how much you know? | ||
| No, I didn't need to because I was with a very rich friend. | ||
| I just threw a dart at his cellar and I took out insanely good wines. | ||
| Always one of those guys. | ||
| Oh, forget it. | ||
| I was saying shit like this. | ||
| I was like, oh, I smell nutmeg and pencil. | ||
| Because that's what I've heard people say. | ||
| Did they get mad at you? | ||
| Of course they get mad at me. | ||
| And then I took a... | ||
| And I sipped some white wine. | ||
| I went, whoa! | ||
| I feel like I just got hit in the head by a farmer. | ||
| I love saying dumb shit like that. | ||
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Dude, try this. | |
| Have you ever been to a wine tasting? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Like one of those parties where they all get around and they all talk about it? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You know what I heard a sommelier say? | ||
| He goes, trust me on this wine. | ||
| I said, why? | ||
| Because I was going to order our white wine. | ||
| He goes, it's unique. | ||
| I said, well, describe it. | ||
| He goes, it's like biting into a wet dog. | ||
| I was like, hey, that's exactly what I feel like doing. | ||
| Every time I see a wet dog. | ||
| He was telling you that it's good? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's like biting into a wet dog. | ||
| People just say dumb shit. | ||
| I mean, I like good wine. | ||
| It tastes good. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| But there's a part of me that rejects the fucking nonsense so hard that I won't learn anything. | ||
| As well it should. | ||
| You should always reject that horse shit. | ||
| But it's so fucking pretentious. | ||
| Of course it's pretentious. | ||
| It's like most pretentious. | ||
| I mean, you hear the way they describe it. | ||
| It really holds your palate prisoner. | ||
| It holds your palate prisoner, but here's the good news. | ||
| In a velvet casing. | ||
| Speaking of velvet casings... | ||
| I was at a restaurant once, a very fine restaurant, a very fine Italian restaurant, and a gentleman walked in with a briefcase with two bottles of wine and velvet in the briefcase. | ||
| I had to resist the chimpanzee urge to leap over the table and smash him in his fucking head with that case. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Here's the thing about that. | ||
| Here's the reason I support him. | ||
| Because I'm such a freak for wine. | ||
| You cannot send a $1,000 bottle of wine. | ||
| You can't ship it because a lot of times they put it in the hull of a ship and it comes through, say, the Suez Canal. | ||
| It gets hot. | ||
| Yeah, it might be 150 degrees in that hull. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| And it's below or above the waterline, you're in trouble. | ||
| So they fly that wine. | ||
| You can be fucked. | ||
| Yeah, you fly it in a velvet suitcase. | ||
| But this guy, he just was bringing it to a restaurant. | ||
| He's kind of a dick. | ||
| It's kind of a weird move when you bring your own food to a restaurant. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's a drink, but it's not like you bring your own tomatoes. | ||
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Excuse me, could you tell the chef to chomp these tomatoes? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Parallel with the floor. | ||
| I've never brought my own wine. | ||
| It's obnoxious. | ||
| To the establishment. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| And then they have a corkage fee. | ||
| They charge you to open your wine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| $35. | ||
| That's very reasonable. | ||
| Well, especially if you're bringing a $1,000 bottle of wine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't understand why one wine... | ||
| I do understand. | ||
| But I don't understand why someone is willing to pay. | ||
| But I do understand it. | ||
| I do, because you want to be a part of that fuckhead club. | ||
| Well, and if you're a freak like me, and you like wine on that level, when you really pay attention, for me, I actually... | ||
| It's... | ||
| I don't even know how to describe it. | ||
| It's literally an experience, right? | ||
| So my buddy I went to see who's made more money than God, and this is why he's worth it. | ||
| I don't know if I told you this. | ||
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God has all the money. | |
| You know what I mean. | ||
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No. | |
| He has as much money as Bruce Springsteen, almost. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And he's super rich. | ||
| And I told you that he said, we're going to open this wine that Robert Parker gave 100 out of 100 and called it one of the wines of the century. | ||
| Who's Robert Parker? | ||
| Robert Parker is the critic who sets the standard. | ||
| I hate that you know that. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm terrible. | ||
| It really bothers me. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But when you see an RP, Robert Parker, and it has a 93, 94, 95, you're paying a lot of money. | ||
| I want to hang out with Robert Parker. | ||
| Well, he's a guy, and I think he's from Maryland, and he's an American dude, and he's got his taste. | ||
| It doesn't mean he's right. | ||
| It just means he knows wine and he set the standard. | ||
| Now there are more people, but for the most part, when Robert Parker gives your wine a 95 or above... | ||
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There he is. | |
| Look at him. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I want to hit him with a brick. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Hey, yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Do you think he says snarky things when you go to dinner with him? | ||
| Well, he'll say, for example, the wine I was drinking, he called it a Centurion wine. | ||
| One of the wines of the... | ||
| Sentry. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So, please don't try to buy it, because, you know, you can't find it. | ||
| Is he the Tony Hawk of wine connoisseurs? | ||
| Yes, he is. | ||
| Because nobody knows anyone that skates other than Tony Hawk. | ||
| That's exactly who he is. | ||
| That's exactly who he is. | ||
| Like the Lance Armstrong of wine. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there are people who are trying to make their way, and real critics, but for the most part, he's still the man. | ||
| How much does that piss people off who ride bikes? | ||
| Who, like, are really good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And no one gives a fuck about them because they're not Lance Armstrong. | ||
| There's one guy who won. | ||
| There was Greg LeMond for a while, I remember. | ||
| He was also an American. | ||
| We remember him. | ||
| But nobody else. | ||
| I think part of it's also because he was an American and so dominant. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| You know, Americans don't watch bike racing. | ||
| I could never stand on the sideline and be like... | ||
| A hundred more miles! | ||
| Keep pedaling. | ||
| A hundred more miles, keep pedaling, you know. | ||
| Here's a water. | ||
| Want an orange? | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| Life is too short to watch a fucking bike race. | ||
| It's definitely too short to be watching on the sidelines, like waiting. | ||
| That's how I feel about marathons. | ||
| But Europeans are so different than we are in that sense. | ||
| Europeans obsess over Formula One. | ||
| They obsess over... | ||
| That's different, though. | ||
| Formula One is fucking wild. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| You ever seen those videos they do from inside the cockpit of a Formula One car? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| But there's some lightning fast decision making going on there. | ||
| But when Senna died, if you look at the streets of Brazil for his funeral, it was something that you would never see in the United States. | ||
| If a great race car driver, like say a great NASCAR driver, you wouldn't see, I think it was some crazy number of people that showed up in the streets of Brazil. | ||
| Well, the Brazilians are insanely nationalistic. | ||
| They love their country. | ||
| They're very, very patriotic. | ||
| So when someone comes along like Senna, who dominates something that's traditionally a European-dominated sport like Formula One, and he was a wild man. | ||
| You ever see that documentary on him? | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| Look at that funeral. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| And he was the guy who could have been a playboy, but he never really messed with girls. | ||
| He was a samurai. | ||
| He was dedicated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, his ability to shave milliseconds, you know, and just to take crazy chances and cut people off, and ugh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That precision. | ||
| But that is something that I don't know anything about it, but I'm sure when you follow it and that sort of those millimeters, those differences are what make everything, you know, when you have a cultivated sense, when you know what you're looking at and what looking for, it's... | ||
| It must be very enjoyable. | ||
| Well, they have a deep connection with how much traction there is exactly on those tires. | ||
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Feel. | |
| Like, they feel it kicking out. | ||
| Like, they literally say with race car drivers that you have to have an educated ass. | ||
| Damn, really? | ||
| Yeah, your ass has to be able to feel when your car is breaking loose. | ||
| Like, if you were a race car driver and you had a numb ass, you'd probably be fucked. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like, if you had, like, sciatica or something, your ass went numb, which I would imagine it would be a real problem with someone who sits down all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, truck drivers, right? | ||
| They get sciatica all the time. | ||
| But race car drivers, it's so physical. | ||
| You know, it's such a physical... | ||
| They lose so much water. | ||
| They lose, like, something like seven pounds of water or something in a race. | ||
| Oh, I'd imagine. | ||
| Something crazy. | ||
| They sweat like a pig. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's hot as fuck. | ||
| They don't have air conditioning in that thing. | ||
| Yeah, they're just physically... | ||
| There's a giant engine. | ||
| They're flying down the road. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| Oh, it's mad. | ||
| That's so interesting that you have to have an educated ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think horseback riding, if you watch high, high level jumpers, they, you know, or dressage guys, they, they, it's the same exact thing. | ||
| It's all feel and it literally looks like they're doing nothing. | ||
| So the difference between the best in the world and the number 300, you and I could never tell the difference because they don't look like they're doing anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Literally, they just, they look like, for me, they look like they're sitting upright, very still, is why I could never ride a horse, and just, there's nothing going on. | ||
| But the details, those little, like, where they place the micro, how they micromanage that saddle, and the signals they're sending to the horse with their hands, their legs, and their ass, is a whole different thing. | ||
| That's so often the case though with things where things look effortless because the people that are awesome at them do it so smoothly that you can't appreciate it unless you actually do it. | ||
| That's what I love about life. | ||
| That's literally what I love about, you know, and it sounds silly, but you can touch a little of that In anything you do when you practice something you're not good at. | ||
| So tennis, I always talk about tennis and boxing. | ||
| Am I good at boxing and tennis? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do I obsess over where my feet are? | ||
| Do I obsess over my grip? | ||
| I swear to God, maybe the actual activity is secondary to... | ||
| How I love to work on the little details and get better through daily attendance, through daily practice. | ||
| Because something happens to me that reaches beyond that sport. | ||
| So when I do something that I'm maybe a little afraid of or maybe I'm not good at, it forces me to think in a way that informs the other things in my life that I make a living at. | ||
| I do better at stand-up. | ||
| I write better when I push myself in these other areas. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| Yeah, it totally makes sense, because I think very difficult endeavors, you know, whatever it is that you're trying to do, anything, fucking dance, if you were trying to be a ballerina. | ||
| Which I am. | ||
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Are you? | |
| Yeah, keep going. | ||
| I thought you were done with that. | ||
| Ballet is my foundation, but I'm so passionate, I live, there's too much equator in me, I live in my groin, so I had to move to salsa and merengue. | ||
| Well, people that really get into jiu-jitsu say that as well. | ||
| Bourdain's been saying that a lot. | ||
| Getting into it, to him, it's a lot like writing in some ways. | ||
| It's almost like a meditation. | ||
| And completely obsessed. | ||
| A lot of people that get into jiu-jitsu become completely obsessed with it too. | ||
| And it's for those same reasons. | ||
| You get obsessed, first of all, with how deep the rabbit hole goes. | ||
| I think that's probably the same with tennis. | ||
| With golf, it's most certainly the same. | ||
| I've never played golf, but I know the people that play it. | ||
| It's exactly the same. | ||
| I talked to Will Durkee. | ||
| He took second in the 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu tournament over in Austin. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He's a professional poker player as well. | ||
| He was a D1 wrestler, I think out of Virginia. | ||
| Watching him, he lost to another guy who was really good, but just barely. | ||
| When you watch those high-level competition black belts, which I've never seen, the subtlety, I don't even see what they're doing. | ||
| I don't even see them tapping the guy. | ||
| But he was talking to me about how much he loves games and why poker and jiu-jitsu inform each other. | ||
| Well, you know Josh Waitzkin? | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Same thing with chess and jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He's a jiu-jitsu phenom. | ||
| I think he has a school where he teaches kids how to think. | ||
| He teaches them how to learn through martial arts, music, and chess, I believe. | ||
| And it's all kind of the same thing. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing. | ||
| It's kind of why I feel like a lot of times I do think there's a place for self-help and, you know, inspiration when you're young. | ||
| But after a while, you know, just trying to get really good at something under proper tutelage, I think will teach you all of those things. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But there's a lot of people that just try to get good at it, they never get good at it, that probably would do better if they had better pathways to think. | ||
| Yes, if they learned how to... | ||
| Well, I think first, what someone like Tony Robbins does, because I've listened to a lot of his tapes when I was younger, I was all set to make fun of him, because I was trying to write this parody on him, and then I listened to him and I went, oh, this motherfucker knows exactly how my brain works. | ||
| I mean, in a lot of ways, he simplifies, and he has tools that help me... | ||
| Focus my energy and recognize certain patterns. | ||
| Recognize certain unhelpful patterns. | ||
| It's very important is having pathways in your mind. | ||
| Like abandoning negative thoughts, concentrating on positive ones. | ||
| Abandoning nonsense, concentrating on... | ||
| I mean, that's a lot of what traps are that people fall into. | ||
| Like addictive traps, whether it's gambling or, you know, whatever. | ||
| Fill in the blank. | ||
| Pornography. | ||
| I was watching this whole thing the other day where people were coming out against pornography and pornography addiction. | ||
| And they were talking about how harmful pornography is. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, your fucking mind is harmful. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Pornography is people having sex, and sex is awesome. | ||
| So shut up. | ||
| I'm tired of that. | ||
| Well, you can simplify it this way. | ||
| There's a dean who said, I am not interested. | ||
| It's less important what you think. | ||
| What I want to know is how you think. | ||
| And you're talking about methodology. | ||
| It's how... | ||
| It's exactly what you're saying. | ||
| It's how you think about life and how you think about things. | ||
| So you may be a slave to certain pathways and learning how to reprogram your pathways is a way more important thing. | ||
| So it's not so much that it's pornography that's the enemy. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's the methodology. | ||
| Yeah, pornography is just sex. | ||
| And by the way, we're just talking about regular pornography. | ||
| There's certain pornography that you go, okay, what the fuck is that for? | ||
| Like, why does anybody need to see people spit in people's eyes and cum in people's noses and stuff? | ||
| Like, there's a lot of really fucked up pornography. | ||
| But I always equate that to, like, the same thing was, like, if you watch certain violent movies, it's almost like they are the product of the ramping up effect. | ||
| Every other violent movie that's come before them, they've had to go further and further and further to the point where it's just totally ridiculous. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| I mean, it's not entertaining. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It's just a response to taking it to the next level. | ||
| The guy who wrote the double helix, quote-unquote, for a serial killer, for the making of a serial killer, a guy named Richard Walter, who's an FBI profiler, brilliant guy, he said that... | ||
| Serial killers will typically, and this is from literally interviewing 20,000, 30,000 prisoners, many of whom were murderers, violent criminals. | ||
| And he put together this profile, which was that serial killers many times start with fetishes. | ||
| They'll start with, you know, feet. | ||
| Well, a lot of times it can be as innocuous as rubbing against people in public places. | ||
| And then you graduate. | ||
| Then that doesn't do it for you anymore. | ||
| And then you have to go into a store and cut leather jackets with a razor because you might get caught, but it's like skin, all that stuff. | ||
| And what he said was that once you get to one level, you never can go back. | ||
| You have to go forward. | ||
| You don't see them go, alright, this is too much. | ||
| Let me go back to rubbing against people on a subway. | ||
| Would you say never? | ||
| I mean, don't some people like... | ||
| Is there people that are potential serial killers that go, what the fuck am I doing in my life? | ||
| I need to just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Take yoga. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I do know that there have been some studies about how less... | ||
| There are, I guess, a lot of serial killers or maniacs are doing less of that stuff because they can get more of it through a simulated environment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was the argument that the Japanese had, or some Japanese scholars had, about pornography. | ||
| Is that Japanese porn is, I might be wrong about this, that it's more embraced, and that when you look at deviant behavior, it's more embraced in films and things like that, and that sort of keeps them from doing it in real life. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that you can get satiated visually. | ||
| You have those visual triggers. | ||
| They say that the trigger is for fighting. | ||
| You know, when you watch MMA, there are a lot of those visual triggers for men that are similar to what pornography does to a man. | ||
| When we see two dudes kicking each other and knocking each other out. | ||
| We want to do it. | ||
| Yeah, or at least we can't take our eyes off it. | ||
| Yeah, we definitely can't take our eyes off of it. | ||
| But I think that also it's possible that that could... | ||
| Like, they say that about video games. | ||
| Like, the argument against video games has always been that video games encourage violence. | ||
| But it shows that the actual facts show that it's the opposite is true. | ||
| That video games actually get people involved in the violence of video games and it satisfies whatever weird cravings people might have for violence. | ||
| Which are... | ||
| Left over from thousands and thousands of years of DNA, of people being successful in violence, being rewarded for it. | ||
| Violence was a way you survived. | ||
| Think about hunting. | ||
| Well, the Colosseum, man. | ||
| I went to the Colosseum this week. | ||
| Yeah, I've been there. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That is a fucking trip. | ||
| First of all, I did not know that the Colosseum literally means next to the Colossus. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| It was all about, there was a gigantic, I think it was a 150 foot high bronze statue of Nero that he had constructed. | ||
| Well, you know, the entire Coliseum was Nero's house at one point in time. | ||
| It didn't exist. | ||
| It was like, there's like... | ||
| Seven areas of Rome, like seven hills of Rome or something like that. | ||
| And his fucking house was three of them. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| His house had an enormous, I think it was like more than a hundred acre lake in the backyard of his house. | ||
| A man-made lake. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that man-made lake, like to drain it, the drainage system to build that lake, they're just discovering some of the areas of the Colosseum today. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So what they did is, when they tore down his house, they built the Colosseum for the people. | ||
| And it was like one of the biggest public buildings ever. | ||
| And they built it to satisfy the people that were just fucking furious that this cunt had taken over. | ||
| Burned Rome. | ||
| Wow, he was just insane. | ||
| Nero was just fucking completely insane. | ||
| But what they had done with his structure was turn it into this Colosseum, but it was right next to this enormous statue of him. | ||
| So when you say like the LA Colosseum, that's a stupid name. | ||
| Because the LA next to the Colossus, that doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| But that's what Colosseum means. | ||
| It's wild when you go to Italy, and especially Rome, and you're standing in structures that have been there for, and were living, and had, you know, people died on that. | ||
| It's kind of like the octagon, the original octagon, you know? | ||
| Well, way more fucked up than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's one of the things they found out just recently, like really recently, that they had boat fights. | ||
| They would fill the bottom of the Colosseum with water. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they would have boats. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And they've literally just discovered this. | ||
| They discovered some sort of artwork or some writing that indicated that these boat fights took place for a very short amount of time, like a couple of years. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| Fight each other with your oars? | ||
| They would have battles. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| They would fill up... | ||
| Powerful, Jamie. | ||
| They would fill up the bottom with two meters of water, six feet of water, and have these boats and float these boats around, and they would fight to the death on boats. | ||
| How the fuck would they do that? | ||
| I guess the walls kept the water. | ||
| How would they drain it, though? | ||
| Well, they had a very complex drainage system. | ||
| They showed the drainage system to us. | ||
| They take you on a tour, you know? | ||
| And they were showing us the drainage system and also the system of raising the wild animals from the basement up through the floor. | ||
| Yeah, how would they do that? | ||
| They had this thing where they had a reenactment or recreation of one that I took some photos of. | ||
| I put one of the photos on my Instagram. | ||
| And these wild animals would be locked in these rooms, right? | ||
| These small rooms. | ||
| They would give them no food, no water. | ||
| And they'd keep them there for days. | ||
| So they'd be freaking out and starving. | ||
| And then finally, they'd take them out of the dark. | ||
| They'd force them into this platform. | ||
| And then they would have these slaves crank this mechanism that would lift the platform up through a trap door in the floor. | ||
| So their first light in days. | ||
| And they would be out there with these gladiators. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| Floor. | ||
| Like, they had several levels. | ||
| And the bottom level was all the rich people. | ||
| But they fucked up. | ||
| And they didn't have the walls high enough. | ||
| So the lions would leap 12 feet over the wall and just jack all these rich people. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Now the wall. | ||
| Take it away. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like the San Francisco Zoo when that tiger jumped that 12-foot wall or whatever. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Well, they had to figure out how to do it, too, because they would get these animals in there, and most of the time they'd let the animals out, and the animals would be just fucking scared. | ||
| They didn't want to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they realized that by keeping them down there with no food and no water and getting them to a complete state of desperation and hysteria, that would allow them to ensure that when they pop that trapdoor, the lions would come out and just try to jack people. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| Yeah, they would kill everything. | ||
| They had elephants, they had all sorts of crazy fucking animals they had brought in from Africa, which, by the way, is not even a thousand miles away. | ||
| I had no idea Africa was so close to Italy. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, you can see... | ||
| What are you, Sarah Palin? | ||
| You can see Africa from Sicily, I believe. | ||
| You can see Africa from... | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On clear days. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It seems like too many miles. | ||
| No, there are certain parts of... | ||
| Let me look at a map. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| That seems like way too far. | ||
| There was one area you can see from Spain, from the tip of Spain, maybe? | ||
| I think. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| Somebody will correct me. | ||
| But kind of crazy. | ||
| What? | ||
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Sicily in Spain says you can. | |
| You see it from mountains or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| How crazy is that that that's that close? | ||
| It is. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, Sicily. | ||
| Look at how close it is. | ||
| Wow, it's really close. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sicily's not attached, but I don't know why they have it. | ||
| Why do they have it attached? | ||
| That's really weird. | ||
| That's a shitty map. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Here's the view. | |
| Oh, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's Africa? | ||
| Yeah, you can see Africa. | ||
| It's that close? | ||
| No wonder why the Moors conquered Sicily. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're right there. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's not like they traveled. | ||
| No. | ||
| They got a fucking raft. | ||
| Floated over. | ||
| They backstroked all the way over. | ||
| They jacked everybody. | ||
| But it's fucking beautiful. | ||
| It's so beautiful, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| The Amalfi Coast? | ||
| That's where we went. | ||
| We went there too. | ||
| We did the Amalfi Coast, the Vatican. | ||
| The Vatican's insane. | ||
| Did you do the Vatican? | ||
| I did. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| It's one of the seven wonders, man. | ||
| Well, the fact that you're walking around on this fucking tile that's 1700 years old. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And it all holds up. | ||
| Mosaic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, beautiful artwork that everybody's walking on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the guy was explaining to us that, like, this is a 17-year, 100-year-old work of art. | ||
| Not only that, it was moved from somewhere else and reconstructed hundreds of years ago inside the Vatican. | ||
| It wasn't even originally there. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I never, ever... | ||
| I've been to St. Peter's Cathedral, I don't know, maybe ten times. | ||
| My uncle used to live there, and he had a rent-controlled apartment over the Piazza Navona, which is really close. | ||
| Your uncle used to live in Rome? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What was he doing there? | ||
| My uncle was in Brooklyn, New York, in Bensonhurst, New York, my uncle. | ||
| Was a gay man. | ||
| He was very handsome. | ||
| He was a diver. | ||
| But of course, he was an actor and a singer and a dancer. | ||
| And of course, in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, in the, I don't know, let's call it the, what? | ||
| 50s? | ||
| 30s? | ||
| 40s? | ||
| When you were gay, you know, it wasn't... | ||
| First of all, you were very Catholic, so that was already a sin. | ||
| Second of all, you weren't really that welcome. | ||
| There wasn't a whole lot of, gay pride! | ||
| Everybody want to march? | ||
| So he went to Italy. | ||
| He went to Rome. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because he knew he could be accepted? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he found his little niche. | ||
| He got into the theater company there. | ||
| Good move. | ||
| And spoke Italian, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And lived for... | ||
| And he died at 96 and lived above the Piazza Novona in a rent-controlled... | ||
| Did he die from dicks? | ||
| That the Vatican owned. | ||
| He didn't die. | ||
| No? | ||
| Sir, I'm going to ask you to be a little more mature. | ||
| We have a lot of people listening. | ||
| He did not die from dicks. | ||
| But he was a character, man. | ||
| And he did lots of plays. | ||
| Did you know that the Vatican owns the building that houses Europe's largest gay bathhouse? | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| But I also don't believe you. | ||
| Because is that a matter of... | ||
| Is that a matter of conjecture? | ||
| No, it's a fact. | ||
| It's probably a bathhouse. | ||
| No, it's the largest gay bathhouse in Europe, and the Vatican owns it. | ||
| Not only that, the cardinals or the bishops, whose fucking office is right above the gay bathhouse? | ||
| Conveniently. | ||
| Conveniently. | ||
| There's a fucking chute that just drops down. | ||
| They own a lot of property. | ||
| They just lube up their butt and drop down through the floor. | ||
| Whoop! | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Vatican plays landlord to Europe's biggest gay bathhouse. | ||
| Catholic Church paid $30 million to acquire a building that houses a senior cardinal and a huge gay sauna. | ||
| Nothing wrong with that. | ||
| How weird. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| I mean, I don't know why they would want to own that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because you want to sweat while you get your dick worked? | ||
| While you get your dick worked by strong man hands? | ||
| That's all. | ||
| The amount of artwork that is in the Vatican. | ||
| Like, if you haven't been there before, like, I was not that excited about going to the Vatican before I went there. | ||
| I was like, well, I want to see the Colosseum. | ||
| Obviously, it's like one of the great wonders of history, like, that they had this thing there, and that they did this, and then... | ||
| It's also like the ultimate sign of excess, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like the one thing that people point to when they talk about societies falling apart due to excess is the Romans. | ||
| The Romans, they went crazy. | ||
| It was also sort of what gave food to the Reformation when Martin Luther, this German Jesuit priest, said, hey man, all this money that's going to, you know, idolatry essentially, like building these incredible statues and these incredible cathedrals and we're starving over here. | ||
| How about if we just read the Bible? | ||
| If we just read the Bible, then maybe we'll be, you know, just as in favor with God as you guys. | ||
| And maybe we don't need a hierarchy of bishops and all these and popes and all this sort of rank and file that also needs a salary, that's also taking money. | ||
| Well, Martin Luther was also the first guy to translate the Bible phonetically so that regular people could read it. | ||
| Because everybody else was like, no one knew Latin. | ||
| They couldn't read Latin. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So it was only these priests that we had to rely on to get the Word of God from. | ||
| And Martin Luther was like, that's ridiculous. | ||
| But luckily, Martin Luther had such a high standing in society that they couldn't kill him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They tried. | ||
| He had to leave. | ||
| He was always on the run, but you're right. | ||
| But if he was anyone else, if he wasn't a very respected, high-standing person in society, they probably would have jacked him a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was already, I can't remember, I read a lot about it back in the day, but he was always under threat of that. | ||
| He had to, essentially, I think it was in Bittenberg. | ||
| There's this phrase that people always associate with Rome called the vomitorium. | ||
| And that's not what it sounds like. | ||
| Everybody thinks that they got there and they threw up and then they went back and ate again. | ||
| That's not what they did. | ||
| I always thought they did that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the vomitorium refers to the way they got people out of the stadium. | ||
| It had nothing to do with the word vomit. | ||
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Huh. | |
| The way the stadium is structured is this gigantic, that's a vomitorium, is the exit. | ||
| So they had all these exits. | ||
| They had a bunch of different doors all throughout the building. | ||
| If you look at some images of the Coliseum, there's all these pathways. | ||
| You would go 30 yards over, there's another pathway. | ||
| 30 yards over, there's another pathway. | ||
| And that allowed an efficient way of getting people... | ||
| See, look at all the doorways. | ||
| See all those doorways? | ||
| That was an efficient method of getting people out of the stadium. | ||
| So they called it a vomitorium. | ||
| But if you look at the etymology of the word, look up the origins of the word vomitorium and what it means in Latin. | ||
| But it doesn't have anything to do with vomit. | ||
| But it sounds like it. | ||
| So everybody was like, Oh, they just fucking ate and threw up. | ||
| So people sort of repeated that over and over and over again. | ||
| They'd stick a feather down their throat. | ||
| I'm sure someone did that. | ||
| I'm sure there was some fat fuck that wanted to keep partying. | ||
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That happens today. | |
| That happens right now in Los Angeles. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I used to date a girl who had a problem with that. | ||
| So did I. Yeah. | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| Vomitorium. | ||
| Okay, here it was. | ||
| A place which, according to popular misconception, the ancient Romans were supposed to have vomited. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| The arch of a series of entrances or exit passways in an ancient Roman amphitheater or theater. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's what it really means. | ||
| So the popular misconception, the second version of it, but translate, use over time. | ||
| What is the origins of the word, though? | ||
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
| Vomitoria is the plural noun. | ||
| Huh, that's weird. | ||
| That's the plural. | ||
| Vomitoria. | ||
| Probably, you know, it sounds like it's where people would vomit out of, right? | ||
| Yeah, but it's not vomit. | ||
| That's not, it's like, that's our word, but that's not like what they would call it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, our word vomit is puke, but that's not what they were referring to when they were calling it a vomitorium. | ||
| It's just one of those weird Latin things. | ||
| But everybody always thinks that. | ||
| Everybody always thinks that that's what a vomitorium was. | ||
| Like, can you imagine if there was a fucking house that people would go to throw up in? | ||
| Like, hey, let's go to the vomitorium and fucking puke. | ||
| Like, what kind of assholes? | ||
| Here's a feather. | ||
| But you would call it the puke house? | ||
| Like, that is so ridiculous. | ||
| The puke room? | ||
| Vomitorium. | ||
| The puke room, the sauna room. | ||
| What is the actual... | ||
| What does it say, Jamie? | ||
| It says here where it might have came from, the misinterpretations. | ||
| Yeah, but what does the original... | ||
| What does the actual word mean? | ||
| Like, vomitorium. | ||
| It sounds like it's the entrance. | ||
| To spew forth. | ||
| Oh, to spew forth. | ||
| To spew forth! | ||
| And I wonder if vomit actually came from that then. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| So the original thing was an exit, and then vomit became that. | ||
| Huh, that's interesting. | ||
| It's kind of how language happens, right? | ||
| Yeah, but it's weird how it happens over thousands of years, how things distort and warp. | ||
| Yeah, that's how language is always changing. | ||
| It's always changing. | ||
| We're always making up our own languages. | ||
| It's constant. | ||
| When we were there, they had just found some new shit two days before we were there. | ||
| They're constantly finding new passages underneath the Colosseum and new things. | ||
| But the amount of work that was done in completing that building and making those structures, it's insane. | ||
| With free labor, which is why slavery isn't that bad. | ||
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| Wait a minute. | ||
| It's interesting that slavery was the order of the day. | ||
| It was for most of history. | ||
| Okay, but when you look at like wage slavery today, when you, I mean, there's no slavery today, but if you can imprison people in a state of poverty, right, and it's not against their will, right, voluntarily, you get people hooked on buying things and you get them hooked on credit, | ||
| So they need to work, they constantly need to work, and then they're in these jobs that are completely dead-end, low-wage jobs where they can't go anywhere, and then they perform these menial tasks until we figure out robots that can do those tasks far better and far more efficient. | ||
| It's not slavery, because they can quit and leave anytime they want. | ||
| But in a lot of ways, it has the same effect. | ||
| There's a difference, I think. | ||
| There's a lot of differences. | ||
| I'm talking about there's a macro difference. | ||
| There is an idea that has gained great traction. | ||
| Because ideas move really slowly sometimes. | ||
| But there's an idea that... | ||
| It has gained traction in most of the world, and even in parts of the world where it isn't, they try to defend it as it being so. | ||
| And that is the idea of universal human rights. | ||
| Universal human rights was not an idea that was embraced by most of the world, even as far back, probably you can make the argument, as 1940. Slavery was alive and well. | ||
| Think about this country in itself, this country until 1964, was it, where there was separate but equal. | ||
| The idea that you had black and white water fountains. | ||
| A hundred years before that, which is nothing, slavery. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And so the idea that, and of course that had to be defended along biblical grounds and all these kind of shoddy ideas, but the idea of Universal human rights. | ||
| Even though the Judeo-Christian ethic and even Islam talked about sort of everybody being of the same moral worth because we're all from the same father, right? | ||
| That's the monotheistic notion and where value comes in those religions. | ||
| We're all the same as long as you, you know, read the Bible and follow these tenets. | ||
| Universal human rights is something a little bit different, and it's a modern concept. | ||
| And that, like, say, germ theory, the idea that these things you can't see, but you still have to wash your hands or you can spread bacteria and things like that. | ||
| Those things that move very slowly, but that is, I think... | ||
| How are you connecting those two? | ||
| I was just talking about how both those ideas are ideas that took a long time to gain traction, you know, even though they were good for us. | ||
| But let's stick to universal human rights. | ||
| I think that that idea is just that mindset and the fact that you have to defend it as a society is why there's such a stark difference between... | ||
| I understand what you're saying by being at bondage to your lifestyle, to having to make a living because you got people to depend on you and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't think that'll ever go away. | ||
| But there's such a... | ||
| Oh, that could definitely go away. | ||
| You don't think that'll go away? | ||
| I think that could definitely go away the same way slavery has gone away. | ||
| I'm optimistic, but what I'm saying is that there's – I think when I'm – like, slaves have zero dignity. | ||
| In fact, there's no – somebody one time, a historian, said there's no such thing as a slave. | ||
| There are people in bondage. | ||
| So anybody who is a slave – you're not a slave, but you are a person in slavery, right? | ||
| So he posed this question. | ||
| He said, when did the civil rights movement begin in this country? | ||
| I was like, well, in Selma, Alabama in the 60s and the 50s. | ||
| No, he said, no, no, no, no. | ||
| He said, the Civil Rights Movement began the first day that an African American was brought to this country against his will. | ||
| Any human being doesn't want to be in bondage. | ||
| You are always trying to get out of bondage. | ||
| And there is that striving for dignity that I think we're getting closer to. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| That's slavery. | ||
| How is that the civil rights movement? | ||
| That's the first day that someone's brought to the United States against their will. | ||
| That's not the first day that someone enacted some sort of a civil rights movement. | ||
| What he was saying was that everybody is always fighting for dignity and their own sovereignty and their own civil rights. | ||
| Regardless of where they are, if you put someone in bondage and you make them do things against their will and you take their dignity away... | ||
| They are immediately beginning the struggle for their own freedom. | ||
| Right, and that's where the conspiracy theories fall into play, where modern capitalism is thought of as being some sort of a new way around that. | ||
| That instead of having people slaves, like literally bonding them, putting them in chains, keeping them against their will, instead you just set up these honey traps. | ||
| And you allow people to get sucked into these things like having massive debt from student loans and making credit cards easy and allowing people to mortgage a house they can't really afford, knowing full well that eventually the bank's gonna foreclose on this and reap some sort of a profit. | ||
| And that all these things, this is where conspiracy theories fall into play, That all these things are set up to enact a modern form of slavery, and that there's always going to be people that are taking advantage of people below them and putting them in very disadvantageous situations for their own gain. | ||
| I would say that that's literally the state of nature. | ||
| And what I mean by that is that, let's just take, for example, the marketplace. | ||
| If you just let people go, let people do their thing. | ||
| They are going to, for example, there's going to be a marketplace for differences of opinion. | ||
| This is what I mean. | ||
| There's a company. | ||
| It's about to start up. | ||
| You start a company. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| Let's just say it's a gadget. | ||
| You have groups of people on this side that are going to say, that's going to be the next big thing. | ||
| Joe Rogan's company is going to be the next Apple. | ||
| And you're going to have a bunch of other people on the other side who are going to go, you know what? | ||
| Not a shot, and here's why. | ||
| So you have these differences of opinion. | ||
| There's a marketplace. | ||
| There's a marketplace for what essentially is a derivative or a swap. | ||
| There's a marketplace there where people say, I will bet you. | ||
| I will short that. | ||
| I will basically say, I'll buy it at this price. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| And I'll sell it to you. | ||
| And if it goes up in value, you pay me the difference. | ||
| That's how marketplaces work. | ||
| So for me, capitalism is just a bunch of people with different opinions who are trying to make money, who are coming up with ideas. | ||
| And if you create a society where you can enforce contracts and make people keep their promises, and you can ensure that people have what's called property rights, which is really important, You know, courts essentially that have integrity, that can't be bought off. | ||
| Then that's, as far as I can see, what you'd call a free market capitalist society. | ||
| And it seems to be better than most of the other sort of systems that require central oversight. | ||
| Not because central oversight is such a bad thing. | ||
| I just think it's impossible to control You know, the way people think on such a macro scale. | ||
| I think it's very... | ||
| Well, I don't think you have to control the way people think. | ||
| Well, or behave. | ||
| Or behave or barter. | ||
| Well, yeah, I get it. | ||
| And I see what you're saying about capitalism, and I see what you're saying about society. | ||
| But I think that all these things, when we point to ancient Rome, we point to how fucked up their world was, and slavery as recently as a couple hundred years ago, I think what we're saying is things are getting better. | ||
| We're evolving. | ||
| We're figuring out a way to make a society that is more beneficial to more people, but still not to everyone. | ||
| And then the point is, is it possible to create a utopian society where it's beneficial to virtually everyone? | ||
| And then the way to do that, the only way to do that is like, here's a good example. | ||
| People love to tout socialism as some sort of a cure to what ails us. | ||
| You know, that somehow or another that if you get people and you give everybody money and everybody shares wealth equally. | ||
| But the problem with that cuts out incentive. | ||
| Incentive for madness and excellence. | ||
| And the incentive for madness and excellence is why you have Tesla motor cars and Elon Musk and all these fucking- Steve Jobs. | ||
| Steve Jobs. | ||
| Steve Jobs is a fucking maniac. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Probably a bad dad. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Probably a shitty guy to work for. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Probably a total asshole. | ||
| If you did something wrong, if you put a one instead of a zero in a line of code and the fucking phone crashed when it hit a thousand emails or whatever, you'd probably beat the fuck out of you. | ||
| I mean, he's a maniac. | ||
| But it was because of him that we have iPhones. | ||
| It's because of that kind of madness. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| How many iPhones have you bought that were made in Russia? | ||
| How many cars have you bought that were made in Russia? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But Russia's a fucked up example because it's not really socialism. | ||
| It's really communist dictatorship. | ||
| Well, now it is, yeah. | ||
| Well, it kind of was, and then it wasn't, and then it was again. | ||
| It never really recovered. | ||
| Well, the Russians, I think their problem is they have one idea of power, which is, pick as guns, divert your eyes in my presence. | ||
| How fucked up is it that Russia's getting kicked out of the Olympics? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you paying attention to this? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Fuck, they're going to kick the whole team out. | ||
| The whole Russian team. | ||
| Well, cheating is so... | ||
| It's so systemic. | ||
| It's so systemic. | ||
| It's state-sponsored. | ||
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| It's crazy. | ||
| I mean, they've got the KGB, apparently, or what used to be the KGB involved. | ||
| Well, then they have this one woman who's a whistleblower who's going to compete independently without a nation. | ||
| How long before they kill her? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Good luck with that bitch getting a fucking bottle of water. | ||
| That's Russia's problem. | ||
| Russia's idea. | ||
| There are two types of power, right? | ||
| There's the power where you can't stop staring at somebody because they have prestige and you want to be like them. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's a power that you can use for good. | ||
| If you have all those eyeballs on you, you can say, hey guys, I know you're all looking at me and you do this all the time. | ||
| How many people download this podcast? | ||
| You're very aware of the responsibility that comes with, so you do two things. | ||
| You try to keep it really honest and true to yourself, but you also try to have really smart people on who have different perspectives so you can kind of figure out a way to get those ideas out into people's heads. | ||
| That's one form of power that I would consider a positive use. | ||
| Then there's the Russian model of power. | ||
| Well, it's not powerful. | ||
| It's power. | ||
| It's influence. | ||
| I think they're very closely related. | ||
| I think they're joined at the head. | ||
| Well, it doesn't control anyone. | ||
| That's the difference between the power that Putin has and the power that the Nerdist has. | ||
| So, exactly. | ||
| You just used the word. | ||
| So, there's a difference. | ||
| So, there's power that controls and there's power that inspires. | ||
| And I think power that inspires is what this country needs to keep in mind at all times. | ||
| That's the power. | ||
| Look, you always need power. | ||
| You need guns and stuff. | ||
| They're crazy people. | ||
| You need a strong military. | ||
| Well, I think the difference is you're using a blanket statement, like power. | ||
| It's like the word drugs, like caffeine's drugs, so is meth. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's power, and then there's influence, but there's things that are powerful, and then there's things that have power over people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| To control people, and then people can't do anything about it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's a difference. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So the word power, the problem is the use of the word power. | ||
| But remember, also, the mindset. | ||
| I believe that Russia, which is such an amazing group of people, they could do anything they wanted, and a strong culture. | ||
| But I think the mindset of Russians, and in many ways, maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's a product of their history, their mindset is that they admire Russia. | ||
| The first example of power, control and strength and dominance more than they admire the power that influences and inspires. | ||
| Things that are powerful. | ||
| So they're like Trump supporters? | ||
| I think so. | ||
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| They're Putin supporters. | ||
| They like a strong man at the helm. | ||
| Doesn't Trump like Putin and Putin likes Trump? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's probably not good, right? | ||
| I would imagine no. | ||
| I haven't been paying attention to the Republican National Convention, but Jamie did. | ||
| But I am paying attention to the fact that this is what I like about all this stuff. | ||
| What I like about all this Trump nonsense is, it's shown how vulnerable this system is to fuckery. | ||
| That a madman can come along and just take over the whole thing. | ||
| Did you see what his fucking biographer said? | ||
| Yeah, he had deep remorse, right? | ||
| Deep remorse. | ||
| And he said that if Donald Trump becomes president and has the key to the nuclear football, he said he literally could be the end of civilization. | ||
| He said the book should have been titled, instead of The Art of the Deal, should have been titled The Art of Sociopath. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| Or the words of a sociopath or something along those lines. | ||
| But his take on Trump was that he's a total sociopath. | ||
| It's not surprising to me. | ||
| I mean, he's certainly a narcissist and maybe they're the same thing in some ways. | ||
| He's got a hot wife though. | ||
| He's got a hot wife. | ||
| He's always bringing things back to himself and he just lies at his convenience. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| Do you know that he's been sued something like 3,500 times? | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| When you have a huge company, that happens a lot. | ||
| So that's not as surprising to me. | ||
| But like by waiters and stuff. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, his creditors, a lot of people that invested, you know, people that did work for him never got paid. | ||
| A lot of the companies that he started went bankrupt. | ||
| What about Trump University? | ||
| Well, yeah, we talk about him being this great businessman. | ||
| I don't know that we have a lot of evidence. | ||
| He's done a good job creating a brand that's worth something. | ||
| So if you put it on a hotel, it comes with, in your mind, you think of high-quality, prestigious, you know, nice bedding. | ||
| Or if he has a building, it's the Trump Tower. | ||
| Well, isn't it also interesting that he took the name Trump? | ||
| Because, like, I believe Trump Card, that expression Trump Card, was there before the name Trump. | ||
| Because his last name is Drumpf. | ||
| Yeah, Drumpf. | ||
| That's his actual last name. | ||
| I saw John Oliver talk about that, his real name. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with the name Drumpf. | ||
| I mean, shit, Arnold Schwarzenegger became famous as Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I mean, he's got the goofiest fucking name ever, and he smashed it with that name. | ||
| In America, you can get away with it. | ||
| Why couldn't you be Drumpf? | ||
| There's nothing wrong with Trump. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| I remember being amazed that the United States voted a man by the name of Barack Hussein Obama in when our public enemy number one was Osama bin Laden. | ||
| Phonetically, they sound very similar. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, how about Hussein? | ||
| We're also enemies with Saddam Hussein. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he had a goofy-ass fucking name for a guy to be elected president. | ||
| But that's why I give Americans a lot of credit. | ||
| I think Americans are, you know, if you listen to Europeans talk, they're always marveling at how quote-unquote dumb Americans are. | ||
| I don't think Americans are dumb, and I think Americans in a lot of ways are very fair-minded, too. | ||
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| Well, there's that, but there's also the fact there's a two-party system where if you are on the left, you have to support whoever's on the left. | ||
| That's why all these people are lining up to support Hillary Clinton and ignoring left and right all the crazy evidence against her just being completely full of shit. | ||
| She's corrupt. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| We played this video the other day where they were showing the difference between what the FBI has said about her trial, about them looking into the email server, the illegal use of the email server, the fact that top-secret documents were shared, cut and pasted, and shared with people that did not have the status to be able to check those, and that multiple devices were used to access these. | ||
| And then compared them to what she has said about it. | ||
| She's just a liar. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She's a liar. | ||
| He's a liar. | ||
| She's a liar. | ||
| Why do you think she set that server up in her bathroom? | ||
| What was the benefit of that, do you think? | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| Was it just convenience? | ||
| And was she told to do that? | ||
| It could be that. | ||
| It could be that she just didn't want anybody to have any oversight over her email, and she wanted to have a server in her home. | ||
| Look, she deleted a lot of fucking emails. | ||
| Thousands of emails. | ||
| And you're not supposed to do that. | ||
| That's a part of that gig. | ||
| Part of that gig is transparency. | ||
| She skirted around that gig. | ||
| I had Mike Baker in here from the CIA, a former CIA operative, who said flat out, if he had done the same thing, he goes, I would be in jail. | ||
| No, he'd be in jail. | ||
| And he was discussing how this is just not done, and everyone knows this. | ||
| This is not a woman who just stepped into politics for the first time. | ||
| This is someone who's been involved in politics virtually her whole life. | ||
| I read a good article somebody sent me, and I'll send it to you. | ||
| I can't remember what the magazine was. | ||
| It was a credible magazine. | ||
| He said, look, I have my point of view on Hillary. | ||
| And he's not a left-leaning. | ||
| I think he's probably more of a conservative columnist. | ||
| And he went and he interviewed all the people that have worked with Hillary Clinton, for, with, and even her opponents. | ||
| And it was really, really, really interesting to get the perspective. | ||
| He said the one thing that they talk about is, number one, she doesn't feel very comfortable in front of... | ||
| It's not a natural fit for her to be in front of audiences talking. | ||
| But dude, she's such a great speaker. | ||
| She's a great speaker. | ||
| The shrill way she talks! | ||
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It's so nice on the ears! | |
| See, I think her voice is very grounded and strong like this. | ||
| It's boxy. | ||
| It's like her body. | ||
| They did use words like... | ||
| They consider her to be funny, thoughtful, and very intelligent. | ||
| Now, that was an interesting... | ||
| My eyes were a little bit open. | ||
| I said, well, the people that are close to her that have worked with her had more... | ||
| Favorable things to say, and I'm not a Hillary supporter, but they had more favorable than negative, which I thought was pretty interesting because I never thought of actually interviewing people that have worked closely with her. | ||
| Okay, stop right there. | ||
| These are political people. | ||
| True. | ||
| So think about what their job is, what they do for a living, and how to make it in that world. | ||
| You have to be full of shit. | ||
| It's like Hollywood. | ||
| Yeah, it's very much like Hollywood. | ||
| Try getting somebody to say something bad about somebody else because you never know if they're going to be... | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's the best script I've ever read. | ||
| It's the best script I've ever read. | ||
| Well, not only that, he's an amazing actor. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
| Oh my God, Ghostbusters. | ||
| The new Ghostbusters is incredible. | ||
| Those girls are so strong. | ||
| They're such strong women. | ||
| That's my new thing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| My new thing is the empowerment of women. | ||
| I love this new talk. | ||
| It's not new either. | ||
| She's totally empowered. | ||
| She's totally embraced her nudity. | ||
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Oh God. | |
| She's bending over and arching her back and licking her lips. | ||
| She's so empowered. | ||
| She's brave because she's naked and fat. | ||
| She's so brave. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If she was brave, she'd get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and hit the gym before she went to the set. | ||
| She wouldn't be fat anymore. | ||
| People are angry at that Melissa McCarthy woman. | ||
| They're angry that she's losing weight. | ||
| Do you understand this? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| They're angry that she's choosing to become healthy. | ||
| So they're saying this is in direct contrast to who she was before, who we loved, is this fucking cartoonish fat lady. | ||
| And this cartoonish fat lady who we want to pretend is healthy. | ||
| You know, there's a fucking slew of people out there that have blogs out there talking about different things that are healthy about being fat. | ||
| And I went down a rabbit hole one night because some woman was writing, she was this obese woman, and I was really sad when I was looking at her photos and... | ||
| You know, people like to highlight things that people say about them on social media and, you know, like, you know, all these people are harassing her for being fat. | ||
| But she's putting out a blog, right? | ||
| When you're putting yourself out there and you're putting a blog, you're just gonna... | ||
| You put some honey out there, you're gonna attract a certain amount of bugs. | ||
| There's just no way around that, right? | ||
| But she was talking about... | ||
| Different aspects of being overweight that are healthy. | ||
| And this is one weird phenomenon where healthy people that catch a disease sometimes don't do as well as fat people that have the same disease. | ||
| In the old days they said you should have some weight on you in case you get a disease and you can fight it better. | ||
| That was always the case. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| How could that be true? | ||
| I guess because maybe, and this is bro science, but from what I remember reading, your fat can actually absorb or store more, I don't know, or you have reserves when you're not eating and stuff. | ||
| Your body will use the fatty acids for energy. | ||
| Well, that makes sense. | ||
| So your body gets in this state of burning fat rather than burning food. | ||
| And many times when people are sick, that's a huge issue. | ||
| It's coming up with some form of energy. | ||
| My Italian relatives, you know, the Sicilian side back in the day, I remember if somebody was too skinny, they would say, you know, be careful. | ||
| If you get sick, you know, you'll die. | ||
| Well, it totally makes sense. | ||
| But that doesn't mean it's healthy to be fat. | ||
| It just means it's a reserve policy in case you get a fucking catastrophic disease. | ||
| But you're also more likely to get that catastrophic disease if you're fat. | ||
| So it's such a catch-22. | ||
| This book by Gary Taub I just love called Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It. | ||
| And he traces the genealogy of the obesity epidemic. | ||
| And he goes all the way back to the 30s in New York City. | ||
| And he looks at how ineffective all these obesity clinics and even the signs of obesity has been. | ||
| It's been so difficult because a lot of times they treated it like it was a psychological disease, like you eat too much, so you'd go to a psychiatrist. | ||
| Or they would put you on these very restrictive diets, 1200 calories a day, and you would lose weight, but at the end of the day you'd descend. | ||
| Also, your body gets into this state of panic where it tries to store energy really quickly because it's worried that you're in a famine state. | ||
| So what he traces and he looks at the Native Americans that had to sort of get on government rations when their land was taken and they all blew up like balloons because they were given white flour. | ||
| And the thesis of the book is essentially that when you eat simple carbohydrates and a lot of carbohydrates, especially things like white flour and sugar, your body produces a lot of insulin and for a whole bunch of metabolic reasons, It's insulin that causes you to retain fat molecules and need more sugar for energy. | ||
| And he does a really great job in the book of explaining it. | ||
| But that sort of, you know, when you look at it that way and when you look at the fact that it's just a question of changing what you put into your body... | ||
| You know, you will then eventually have this keto diet, for example. | ||
| It's a really good way to lose weight and not have to restrict your calories. | ||
| It just is. | ||
| Now, I don't know if it's for everybody. | ||
| I don't think there is a single diet that's for everybody. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| People's bodies are different. | ||
| Obviously, people have different allergies to foods or allergies to all sorts of things. | ||
| That's a great indication that there's so much biological diversity. | ||
| So many people have genetics that have come from all sorts of different parts of the world. | ||
| All sorts of different environments that we evolved from. | ||
| There's no one single diet for everybody. | ||
| But obesity is fairly recent only because when people started eating that much sugar. | ||
| I think that's universal. | ||
| It is. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with eating a certain amount of carbs and breads and pastas, but it is universal that massive amounts of sugar are bad for you. | ||
| I don't think there's any question anymore scientifically. | ||
| But one of the things that's hard for very fat people, obese people, who have trouble with this, who may have gotten caught into that pattern as kids, and it's very true that some people genetically do put weight on, they don't process carbs the way other people do. | ||
| Like, I can eat carbs all day and stay very thin. | ||
| Some people just can't do that. | ||
| But for a long time... | ||
| But you're very active. | ||
| I'm very active. | ||
| But for a long time, what I'm saying is that there's always been and still is a stigma, which is you're fat, which means you are of weak character or you have a faulty character. | ||
| And that's why they take so much shit. | ||
| Whereas Gary Taubin's book said a lot of it was just the fact that people didn't know how the body worked. | ||
| And a lot of this information came out in Germany before the war. | ||
| There were these Austrian and German scientists that were really closing in on what insulin does to make you gain weight. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| When the war was over, No American scientists were going to use German data. | ||
| It was kind of like, no, we'll come up with our own data. | ||
| We used their rocket data. | ||
| We did use their rocket data. | ||
| We fucking scooped up all their... | ||
| Operation Paperclip, we scooped up all their fucking rocket scientists and made them Americans. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a fucking thing about Wernher von Braun being a great American. | ||
| And, like, Wernher von Braun was a fucking Nazi. | ||
| The guy who ran the NASA space program was a straight-up Nazi who the Simon Wiesenthal Center said if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity. | ||
| Damn, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They hung the five slowest workers every day at his fucking rocket factory in Berlin. | ||
| Sweet, guys. | ||
| They hung Jews. | ||
| They hung them in the front of the fucking rocket factory to encourage the workers to work faster. | ||
| One of the things that they say... | ||
| This is, by the way, coming directly from people who are still alive who worked in that factory with tattoos on their arm. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| I don't even think that's a point of conjecture. | ||
| But how crazy is it that we just scooped up all those monsters? | ||
| Like, hey, you monsters are really good at fucking shooting metal dicks into the sky. | ||
| Let's come over here. | ||
| But we also scooped up a lot of... | ||
| Because when they, in fact, Einstein, I believe, emigrated after a number of, or I think it was two scientists who were Jewish, were assassinated, were shot on the street. | ||
| And so all these, like, brilliant Jewish scientists said, let's get the fuck out of here and go to the UK and go to the United States. | ||
| Well, you know the horrible tragedy of Fritz Haber. | ||
| You know the Haber method? | ||
| The Haber method... | ||
| It's an incredible story. | ||
| The guy figured out a way to extract nitrogen from the air. | ||
| And it's one of the... | ||
| They say today that there's a fantastic Radiolab podcast on this. | ||
| I think it's called The Bad Show. | ||
| I think that's what it's called. | ||
| Because they did a good show and a bad show. | ||
| I think that's what it's called. | ||
| And what they just showed is that sometimes, and we've all known this, sometimes people that have done horrible, horrible things are also amazing at something that benefits a lot of folks. | ||
| And this is one of them. | ||
| Classic example. | ||
| Fritz Haber figured out this way to extract nitrogen from the air. | ||
| And the nitrogen in our bodies today, they estimate that some 50... | ||
| And nitrogen, what they use it for is fertilizer. | ||
| And for the longest time... | ||
| Ammonia, right? | ||
| Yeah, for the longest time they used to have to get like dead fish or mulch or something like that, compost. | ||
| And in fact, bat guano. | ||
| Yeah, bat guano was a big one. | ||
| Literally bat shit crazy was like because people would have wars over bat shit. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| I didn't know that, but that's exactly right. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it is. | ||
| There was fucking wars over bat shit. | ||
| Because that's how you grew your food. | ||
| And people would starve during the winter because they didn't know how to get that nitrogen into the soil. | ||
| And Fritz Haber is literally credited with stopping mass-scale starvation. | ||
| But then there's The other side. | ||
| The other side. | ||
| Well, they said that today, the nitrogen in our bodies, 50% of it came from the Haber Method. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| All the people today. | ||
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| Like, literally, he's responsible for a massive increase in the population of this world. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| But he also was the guy that fucking used gas in war for the first time. | ||
| Not only that, he personally oversaw it. | ||
| He went to the front lines and was- Well, it started with, it started with, he was working on insecticides, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which, by the way, is what Zyklon B, which was used to gas the Jews. | ||
| Well, he came up with Zyklon A. Exactly. | ||
| And Zyklon A had a smell attached to it so that you could know what it was and get the fuck away from it. | ||
| Whereas Zyklon B, the Nazis, extracted the smell. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Meanwhile, Haber was a Jew. | ||
| So what a fucking crazy conundrum that guy found himself where his own relatives died directly from an invention that he created. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And you know, also, if you take a sympathetic approach to a man who was a patriot, he was a patriot. | ||
| His country was at war. | ||
| He had benefited from this country. | ||
| He had a legacy in this country. | ||
| He had standing in this country. | ||
| And his country was under direct threat. | ||
| And he said, I think I know a way to help this war effort so we can stop the enemy. | ||
| And you know, we should all, again, it's not what you think, it's how you think. | ||
| We should all put ourselves in his shoes. | ||
| If I had a way, and I think I'm right about that, if I had a way as an American, as Brian Callen, To save my country from people I thought were going to actually take it over or kill a bunch of people, including my family, I'm going to gas the fuck out of them if I can invent a technique. | ||
| I'm going to gas them and I'm going to come up with a way to shoot a rocket at them. | ||
| So if that makes me a bad person, call me Fritz. | ||
| Well, isn't it crazy, though, that this guy was literally receiving the Nobel Prize for the Haber Method at the same time for being wanted for crimes against humanity. | ||
| As a war criminal. | ||
| For a war criminal. | ||
| But the same people that wanted to try him for war crimes dropped nuclear fucking bombs on two cities in Japan. | ||
| Like, what is a war crime? | ||
| Like, when you're killing people. | ||
| Like, oh, you killed people the wrong way. | ||
| Like, we have rules. | ||
| You can't kill people like that. | ||
| Curtis LeMay, who oversaw, I believe, the firebombing of Tokyo. | ||
| This is before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. | ||
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| This is the firebombs, which, by the way, killed more people, did more destruction. | ||
| I mean, everybody concentrates on the two events, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. | ||
| Firebombing was, I mean, what we did to Dresden. | ||
| What we did to the Allies, really. | ||
| It was the British and the Americans. | ||
| But, I mean, Dresden looked like the surface of the moon. | ||
| You know, Kurt Vonnegut, I think, in the book Slaughterhouse-Five talks about this in vivid detail. | ||
| But look at just YouTube, Dresden before and after. | ||
| Jimmy, bring up Dresden. | ||
| Jimmy? | ||
| Jimmy, I said. | ||
| You said Jimmy, right? | ||
| Dresden before and after the firebombing. | ||
| But Curtis LeMay, I think in a period of eight days in Tokyo, I mean, one million people died from fire. | ||
| And Curtis LeMay said, war is the business of killing people, and if I had been on the losing side, I'd probably be tried as a war criminal. | ||
| And if you see Curtis LeMay, he's always chewing a cigar, and he was the commander, and he was the one who made those decisions. | ||
| And he said, we're going to punish the German workers. | ||
| There are real pictures, though. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| This is what it looked like before? | ||
| Dresden was a jewel. | ||
| It was a jewel. | ||
| It was a beautiful city. | ||
| What is it like post? | ||
| Like the surface of the fucking moon. | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| Do they have videos of it then, Jamie? | ||
| This is all... | ||
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This is before and after the Allied bombing. | |
| I don't know why. | ||
| It's just pictures. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find some photos. | ||
| Some actual photos. | ||
| Beautiful Dresden ruins after the Allied bombing. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| But this is drawings. | ||
| It was way worse than that. | ||
| No, that's a real photograph. | ||
| Oh, that's a photo. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| And they talk about the survivors who were just walking around the city that had been standing for 700 years or something crazy. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| And it was no longer. | ||
| How did anybody survive this? | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| In fact, people were falling down. | ||
| Whoa, look at that. | ||
| Those are bodies? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| People were falling down. | ||
| They were falling down because the oxygen was sucked out of the air. | ||
| From the fire. | ||
| So you'd be on the street and you would just fall down. | ||
| Because there's no air. | ||
| Yes, or there'd be a bomb and the people would open their shutters, stick their head out, and the aftershock would take their heads off. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| We're very lucky, very lucky we didn't live at this time. | ||
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Jesus Christ, what a fucking strange thing. | |
| It was an apocalypse. | ||
| Giant scale war is like that and and Europe what was it was it? | ||
| 50 million people at the end of World War two that were dead maybe as many as 80 million put that into context and that from those ashes from these experiments like fascism and The idea that you can perfect human beings and perfect society and create utopias from those experiments Came ash and 80 million graves, and so... | ||
| Well, kinda sorta, right? | ||
| Kinda sorta. | ||
| I mean, the idea, like, if you just wanted to improve upon human beings without killing people that you thought were inferior, if you just wanted to create the ubermunch without making everybody else die, But you need to re-educate. | ||
| So re-education camps that Pol Pot would put people in. | ||
| You had to be marched to the countryside because he was creating an agrarian utopia. | ||
| But why does it always have to... | ||
| Why does any beneficial act? | ||
| Like the idea of creating better people. | ||
| We would all like a better society with better people. | ||
| I mean, if we all had a world where everybody had perfect genetics and nobody had to worry about fat shaming. | ||
| Nobody had to worry about not being attractive. | ||
| Nobody had... | ||
| But that's not good. | ||
| The problem is, like, the stress and the anxiety of being a dork, and the stress of being bullied, and that's where diamonds come from. | ||
| Like, it's not good to bully someone. | ||
| It's not good to take advantage of someone. | ||
| It's not good to make someone's life hell. | ||
| But a lot of times, that's where you get a Marvin Gaye. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know, you get these jewels of art. | ||
| You know, you get these people that come out of these horrible environments, and they have this power to them. | ||
| But you have to create, you're right, you still have to create some respite. | ||
| You know, the great Matthew Arnold who said that the United States is the land of stock market and big guns and powerful, you know, and agrarians that can feed the world. | ||
| It's also the land of What he also said, I was going to say, he said, we have to always remember to create safe haven for our gentler spirits, our weirdos and people that think differently and act differently, because that's where you get Prince, Little Richard, Marilyn Manson, and all the things that make our culture interesting. | ||
| And that's a very important thing to keep in mind. | ||
| But again, look, when you talk about bombing and how we're getting better, think about for a second the methodology in our brain of how we, a lot of people, think of not only terrorism, and I'm guilty of this too, or even say something like cancer. | ||
| So if you have cancer, there's one method of treating it, and sometimes it works, which is there's a tumor, let's cut it out. | ||
| Let's cut the tumor out. | ||
| There's another method of treating it, which is diet and health and taking care of your body before it ever happens. | ||
| This is one of the things... | ||
| So you're talking now about the duality, is what I'm saying, is that we fall sometimes into the mindset that every problem can be cut out and removed, right? | ||
| Instead of saying... | ||
| Prevention. | ||
| What you just said, what you just said is there's another, there might be another tact. | ||
| In every issue. | ||
| So when we talk about the bad guys, and we talk about we have to... | ||
| And listen, there's a place and a time to take out the bad guys. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But we have to be careful that we don't fall into... | ||
| One way of thinking and one way of dealing with what we consider threats, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because we could make the problem worse. | ||
| And instead, sometimes we might want to say, maybe this time, maybe this is a problem that doesn't require cutting and radiation and, you know, removing. | ||
| Maybe it's what you just said. | ||
| Maybe we should approach it systemically from a different angle that's not as violent, not as physical. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's also the problem of the charismatic leader. | ||
| And there's also a problem of people wanting to be a part of a team. | ||
| Like you were talking about if you could gas the people that are a threat to the United States. | ||
| But who are those people? | ||
| They're just people. | ||
| The idea that somehow or another someone who lives in Italy, who I've never met, is against me. | ||
| Someone who lives in the United States who they've never met. | ||
| That's preposterous. | ||
| We just don't know each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when you get, by the way, when I was in Italy, one of the weirdest fucking things about it, and I've never been there before, so I don't know, but the people that were there were describing to me how everything has changed. | ||
| I was talking to this one cab driver, he was a really interesting guy, and he was, we were commenting, I was asking him about, everywhere you look, they have these Land Rover Defenders that are in camo with these military people standing out there with fucking machine guns. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| And I said, is this normal? | ||
| And he said, no. | ||
| He said, this is the new way. | ||
| He's like, the world is changing. | ||
| He said, this is not a good world. | ||
| He said, this is not good. | ||
| And I said, so this is a direct response to the terrorist threats and the things that have been happening in Paris. | ||
| He goes, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| He goes, they don't want it to happen here. | ||
| So all the places where there was tourists, whether it was the Vatican, whether it was the Colosseum, you saw these camouflaged Land Rover defenders and these public displays of guns. | ||
| And a woman. | ||
| I saw a woman. | ||
| I was thinking about punching her and taking her gun. | ||
| I was like, I think I can. | ||
| Some of those women are no joke. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| They're trained to react quickly. | ||
| That's my gun. | ||
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That's my gun. | |
| She's holding it. | ||
| That's my gun. | ||
| Obviously, I'm kidding. | ||
| But it is weird to see these people that are standing out there holding guns, and they had fucking very serious looks on their face. | ||
| They're scanning the crowd, looking left and looking right, and a lot of Middle Eastern people there. | ||
| A lot of fucking people dressed up like beekeepers. | ||
| A lot of poor ladies with gloves on and ninja masks, and I was like, what in the fuck? | ||
| 2016, and you got people wandering the streets of one of the greatest cities in the world. | ||
| And a liberal democracy. | ||
| Fucking mad. | ||
| That talks about giving people their own sovereignty on what they wear. | ||
| Yeah, and all the women, Italian women, dress like... | ||
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| Well, they're just very... | ||
| I consider they dress... | ||
| They're minimalists. | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| They're minimalists and they know how to... | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| I'm a fan of hoes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Did you see what happened in France over the weekend? | ||
| This man stabbed a woman and her three children at a resort for being scantily dressed. | ||
| This Muslim man. | ||
| What in the fuck, man? | ||
| Well, it's such a bankrupt philosophy, if you can even call it that. | ||
| Ideology. | ||
| It's an ideology. | ||
| I'm going to kill you. | ||
| You talk about people who are caught in a trap, this ISIS ideology. | ||
| Talk about being caught in a pathway. | ||
| This guy wasn't ISIS. He wasn't an ISIS guy. | ||
| He was just some radical Muslim. | ||
| Someone who deeply believes what he's been taught, his ideology so powerful that he's willing to stab an eight-year-old kid in the lungs. | ||
| This poor fucking kid had a collapse. | ||
| A little girl. | ||
| A little girl because she was wearing a beach outfit. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Well, this is a guy... | ||
| It sounds like he might have been mentally ill or... | ||
| But the guy who fucking drove all those people in Nice. | ||
| That happened while I was there. | ||
| Is that how you say it? | ||
| Yes, Nice. | ||
| That happened while I was there. | ||
| Well, this is the other thing is, again, not only do they do that because they're fanatical, they think they're actually gonna change something and make the world a better place by behaving in this mad fashion, by killing children. | ||
| In some way, they might, because they're gonna unleash the Jocko Willinks in the world. | ||
| We're gonna go out there and they're gonna fucking kill people like this. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| They're gonna fucking get people to the point where they lose all tolerance. | ||
| Well, I'm getting to that point, and I'm pretty tolerant, and I'm getting to that point. | ||
| And here's the thing about when you think about ISIS. So I was talking to my buddy who's a CIA guy. | ||
| You know, he's a Delta guy. | ||
| He's one of these real kind of guys who's in there and does all the dirty work. | ||
| And he said, I said, you know, why don't we just bomb their strongholds? | ||
| Well, you make them martyrs. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| He also said, he said... | ||
| You have to understand that that's not like they're all camped out in one area. | ||
| They're in a town the size of, let's say, Baltimore, and they have safe houses, but for the most part, they're all over that place. | ||
| But more importantly, as ISIS fighters die, what they do is they come to families that are peace-loving families, and they say, listen, we need to conscript your son. | ||
| And your two other sons right there. | ||
| They now belong to ISIS. Now you can say no and die or you can bring them over for the cause because you better be down for the cause. | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| That's what's going on now. | ||
| Where is this happening? | ||
| What part of the world? | ||
| In Syria, in Iraq, in those places where they have strongholds. | ||
| But a lot of people are joining voluntarily. | ||
| Yes, yes they are. | ||
| Including European women. | ||
| Have you seen this crazy shit where girls are going from England and they're joining ISIS? Yeah. | ||
| They're also getting wholesale just destroyed. | ||
| They're just fucking dying. | ||
| And now ISIS is trying to support the families of the martyrs, and they're running out of money. | ||
| So they're losing the physical battle, but the ideology is always going to inspire fuckfaces like this guy who kills children. | ||
| And I think in that case, you do need a strong presence and people willing to shoot those people before they do what they do. | ||
| It's really hard to prevent them. | ||
| Well, it's hard to prevent crazy people. | ||
| And the word crazy is not the right word. | ||
| It's hard to prevent evil psychopaths. | ||
| It's hard to prevent people like... | ||
| I mean, forget religious ideology. | ||
| The guy who fucking shot up those people in the movie theater in Colorado. | ||
| It's hard to prevent that. | ||
| It's hard to... | ||
| I mean, that happened more than once, right? | ||
| I mean, how many times people... | ||
| Didn't someone get shot up in Amy Schumer's movie? | ||
| Weren't there people that went to see Trainwreck? | ||
| That was right, right? | ||
| Yeah, because she was upset about that. | ||
| What do you think is the answer? | ||
| Oh, that's a good question. | ||
| Is the answer, this is a little bit radical, but is the answer, let all of us carry a gun? | ||
| How are you going to stop that truck with a gun? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The trucks are more dangerous than guns. | ||
| You know, it's fucked up. | ||
| I kind of predicted that truck attack during the Steven Crowder podcast, and I didn't even realize I did it. | ||
| Somebody posted on the internet a clip of it. | ||
| Like, what's to stop someone? | ||
| Because we were talking about gun control. | ||
| And I'm like, the problem is mentally insane people that are willing to kill people. | ||
| And they can do it in a lot of ways, man. | ||
| And I was like, what's to stop someone from taking a car and driving through a fucking crowd of people? | ||
| There's not much you can do about it. | ||
| But you can shoot them in the face so that they die in the car. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| If you get lucky and hit them, you know how hard it is to shoot at someone when they're driving at you in a car? | ||
| It's hard to shoot a deer that's standing still. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| And you resting your gun on a rock. | ||
| But it's possible. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And I'd rather have that answer than have to run and scream with my kids. | ||
| I'd rather be able to stand my ground and fucking squeeze off six rounds in his direction. | ||
| And I really mean that. | ||
| No, there's an argument there. | ||
| And I think the argument against that, that you should not have that because you're more likely to kill someone in your family, that's not a great argument either. | ||
| I think on both sides, the real issue is mental health. | ||
| The real issue is inequality. | ||
| The real issue is people growing up. | ||
| And when I say inequality, I don't necessarily even mean rights. | ||
| I mean in the environment in which your soul enters this world Like what what what is the environment that you and I entered? | ||
| Well, we have really nice parents and we got really lucky We got born in America and you didn't you born America one of the Philippines born in the Philippines, Jesus Christ I lived overseas until I was 14 years old. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Barely one of us. | ||
| A lot of different countries. | ||
| That's where I get my edge. | ||
| But you got lucky. | ||
| You have a really nice family. | ||
| I got lucky. | ||
| Great family. | ||
| Nice people. | ||
| That's very fortunate. | ||
| If you were born in Iraq, or in Saudi Arabia, or in Afghanistan, or in any of these places where they're dealing with these ancient ideologies, you're fucked. | ||
| It's like there's a race, and the race is 30 miles long, and you're starting out at mile one, where some people are at mile 29. There's no way. | ||
| It's no way this is fair. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| It's just not fair. | ||
| And there's got to be a way through either time or effort or just the sheer expression of ideas that permeate through this world. | ||
| Where slowly but surely things have to even out to the point where people realize the correct way to behave and treat people. | ||
| Look, you could say religious tolerance all you want, but when there's a fucking woman dressed like a ninja at the mall, that lady is not in a good place. | ||
| She's being forced to dress like that. | ||
| This is not her idea. | ||
| There's no way it is. | ||
| This is an idea that was stuck into her life when she was a small person. | ||
| And she grew up with that idea. | ||
| Now she's married to some guy who enforces that idea. | ||
| And this guy's walking around with a fucking golf shirt on. | ||
| And his wife's dressed like a ninja. | ||
| I mean, this is madness. | ||
| And I think that it makes their country weaker. | ||
| If you categorize and, you know, creates these sort of fencing around an entire... | ||
| Class of people and a gender if you take women and say you guys have to walk a little bit behind me You have we just know that that doesn't work. | ||
| You're wasting a lot of human potential Yes, a lot of people with ideas that can make the world a better place You also you're stifling the debate and the discussion look there's a lot of people that think different than me man a lot of people whether they're From different parts of the world or whether they have different likes or dislikes and they have different Art that they appreciate and I I like hearing their point of view There's a lot of people that I don't agree with what they're saying and I like to hear what they say there's Radical | ||
| feminists that I listen to their ideology and listen to what they're saying and I try to figure out where the fuck they're coming from and I try to figure out, okay, is this a direct response to something they've experienced in their life? | ||
| Like, how much of this has to deal with them being persecuted? | ||
| How much of what people say has to do with their direct experiences with the opposite sex? | ||
| At a bunch of feminists, right? | ||
| And some of them have pink hair, and they weigh 300 pounds, and you know life was not fucking awesome for them around men. | ||
| You just know it wasn't. | ||
| Well, how much of this anti-male sort of ideology that they're espousing, like how much of that comes from their direct experiences with men, and how different would it be if they grew up looking like Julia Roberts? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, a lot. | ||
| There's a really good... | ||
| One of the things I do with my podcast, The Brian Callen Show now, is I do... | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| You have a podcast? | ||
| I have The Fighter and the Kid. | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| You've brought back The Brian Callen Show? | ||
| I do it once a week and I talk about a book. | ||
| How come I don't know about this? | ||
| I sent you one of them just for you to listen to because I did it with this guy, Hunter Motz. | ||
| Yeah, I don't listen to anything. | ||
| It was brilliant. | ||
| I'll just tell you right now. | ||
| I sent it to you like whatever. | ||
| I'm super busy. | ||
| I'm very, very busy. | ||
| But I had an amazing conversation with my buddy Hunter. | ||
| Amazing? | ||
| Like you can't believe it happened? | ||
| Or it was good? | ||
| My buddy Hunter is really good at reading everything and putting it into context where I can understand it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He can create a useful... | ||
| He can turn it into a useful... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You can read a bunch of books, but you don't have to put it together. | ||
| This motherfucker can put it all together and contextualize it and everything else. | ||
| And we read this book... | ||
| We'll read a book and then talk about it. | ||
| So we read this book called The Secret of Their Success. | ||
| The Secret of Our Success by Joseph Henrich. | ||
| And the book is... | ||
| The theme of the book is basically this... | ||
| And it's to your point. | ||
| Human beings are smart because they borrow culture. | ||
| Human beings are smart because societies that excel have to be open and have to be open enough so that they can borrow the best things from other cultures. | ||
| So, for example, if you and I are put in the middle of the Arctic, Unless we find a bunch of Inuit, we're dead in about three days. | ||
| If you and I are in the Amazon, if you take an Inuit who can kick ass and find seal meat and everything else and put him in the Amazon, he doesn't have the culture. | ||
| Human beings survive and grow and excel because we are really good at learning from each other, borrowing ideas. | ||
| It's called the diffusion of innovation. | ||
| That's the most important thing. | ||
| And when you have societies that have these strong... | ||
| Rules and these strong ideologies that keep people essentially restricted, you are not going to have the free flow exchange of ideas. | ||
| Look at, for example, mixed martial arts. | ||
| Think about where martial arts has come once the Ultimate Fighting Championship and the Gracies created this crazy thing where everybody got to fight everybody else. | ||
| Pretty soon, everybody starts sharing secrets. | ||
| Everybody starts to kind of like go, well, this works, this doesn't work. | ||
| And you were putting it in an arena where you were actually, it was just a very open place. | ||
| It was a proven ground. | ||
| It was a proven ground. | ||
| And you could borrow ideas. | ||
| And people are, look at what they're doing now. | ||
| They're borrowing ideas. | ||
| The coach is here, I have this idea. | ||
| Wrestlers learn submissions and kickboxing and all that stuff. | ||
| That's how societies, that's how innovation happens. | ||
| That's the best way to get ideas to move forward. | ||
| And again, the problem with this sort of countries that are restrictive, like Russia, like Saudi Arabia, with these strong sort of either cultures of power or cultures of religion, is that they create It's a very difficult atmosphere, not only to be open with your ideas, but to benefit from your ideas. | ||
| You are not going to start a company like Apple in Russia when you know that the government, like Putin or whoever, could take it anytime they want. | ||
| Where would be the incentive of that? | ||
| I'm going to work for 20 years. | ||
| Well, you'd have to be buddies with Putin. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then you might be able to pull it off. | ||
| But you will never do it in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Now it's an economy of influence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not a meritocracy. | ||
| Let me ask you this, because this is kind of an interesting thought that's going through my head. | ||
| Do you think that one of the things that's going on today that just really wasn't going on... | ||
| I mean, in the 70s you had... | ||
| The Iran hostage crisis with Jimmy Carter and all that jazz. | ||
| But if you really go back and think about what that was all about, and if you really look at the history of the United States intervention in the Middle East, it was really about controlling resources, controlling natural resources. | ||
| Also controlling Soviet influence. | ||
| Yeah, controlling Soviet influence. | ||
| But that was also about resources, too, because they were trying to... | ||
| The Mujahideen, they were trying to control Afghanistan, and they wanted to get the natural gas pipelines. | ||
| And there's a lot of it that deals with monopolizing natural resources and the amount of money that you can get from there. | ||
| And then also the amount of natural resources that could be used to strengthen military regimes. | ||
| There's a lot of control issues in that. | ||
| But you didn't have the kind of terrorist activity... | ||
| That you're having today, which also coincides with the freedom and expression of ideas and information at an unprecedented rate that we're all experiencing today. | ||
| And the areas where this is not true, the areas where the freedom of expression and the tolerance of ideas... | ||
| I mean, if you look at the United States, there's some nonsense that's going on today with political correctness, and there's some complete The left that's taken so far left that it almost becomes right because they're just completely... | ||
| Controlling. | ||
| Not just controlling, but so infatuated with the idea of enforcing their version of what... | ||
| Equality is. | ||
| Equality is and what life is on everybody else that it becomes this like... | ||
| Tyrannical. | ||
| Very tyrannical. | ||
| But the point is... | ||
| This is the West. | ||
| I mean, this is where we are. | ||
| We are in the real marketplace of ideas. | ||
| This is the boiling point of all these ideas where things are changing at this radical rate. | ||
| And this is the world that is also being attacked. | ||
| And really being opposed by this completely constricted world that really doesn't feel like it has a chance. | ||
| Like, this world is trying desperately to cling to these old ways. | ||
| I mean, if you look at what ISIS is, they are desperately trying to cling to these ancient religious ideologies that were established in a way that does not allow for the even exchange of ideas and information. | ||
| And this new way is also attached, of course, to the military-industrial complex. | ||
| It's also attached to the idea that there's hundreds of different military bases in hundreds of different countries where we're in control of massive amounts of people's safety. | ||
| Always has been. | ||
| There hasn't been in the rest of the world. | ||
| You know, terrorism, by the way, in the 70s, and I remember being in Rome Airport, they had plenty of guys with machine guns because of the Red Brigade. | ||
| There was communist terrorism. | ||
| There was Palestinian terrorism back then a great deal. | ||
| When they killed the people at the Olympics, Munich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was always terrorism. | ||
| But a much smaller scale than today. | ||
| Much smaller. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I don't know if that's true because terrorism was... | ||
| Terrorism... | ||
| There was never anything like ISIS before. | ||
| No, there wasn't. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| But this really powerful appearance. | ||
| But I have to stop you for a second. | ||
| Because when you say there wasn't anything like ISIS, you're right. | ||
| But, for example, in Indonesia, which was essentially an American ally, Indonesia had... | ||
| Take a look at how many people in one year died during the communist purge, and I think it was 1965. By many accounts, there were probably one million people, most of whom were Sort of take the commando oxy. | ||
| They were the sort of civilian conscripts that the military kind of recruited and said, find us the communists in your villages. | ||
| And they were marched down to the river. | ||
| They had their heads chopped off. | ||
| And by many accounts, almost a million quote-unquote communists in a period of about a year in Indonesia were slaughtered. | ||
| Let's take... | ||
| These are all related, but my point is... | ||
| What I'm trying to get at is, I wonder if what is going on now is almost the same thing that's going on with a two-party system. | ||
| It's an us versus them thing, but it's combined with the us, which is what's going on in the Western world. | ||
| I mean, obviously the Western world has plenty of problems. | ||
| But one thing the Western world has pretty clearly is the even exchange of information and ideas. | ||
| You might not agree with these ideas, and there's a problem with that as well. | ||
| But you have access to them. | ||
| You have access to them. | ||
| And this access is like, well, that's one of the things that's going on with Twitter. | ||
| And I don't know if you know about this, but Milo Yiannopoulos, you know who he is? | ||
| Yeah, he got it. | ||
| He got banned from Twitter for writing a bad review about Ghostbusters, which essentially confirms what he said about the regressive left, is that they're trying to stifle ideas. | ||
| And then they're saying that he's responsible for the harassment of Leslie Jones, which is horrible. | ||
| She's a fucking comedian, man. | ||
| She's also great. | ||
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| She's great. | ||
| She's funny as shit, man. | ||
| But also, this is just trolls. | ||
| You're always going to have trolls, but he didn't do that. | ||
| He didn't... | ||
| I mean, he's not responsible for... | ||
| He didn't, like, sick them. | ||
| He wasn't the catalyst or the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| What he did was make an incredible amount of sense when he was describing that you cannot make fun of this movie, you cannot criticize this movie, if you do, you're labeled a misogynist. | ||
| And he talked about how preposterous this movie is, that these women are all out kicking ass, and every man in the movie is a buffoon, and the women don't have any negative traits or qualities at all. | ||
| They're super powerful and super awesome and hilarious, and the humor is non-existent because they put them in this restrictive box. | ||
| He got banned from Twitter for that? | ||
| He got banned from Twitter for this. | ||
| Well, they're blaming him on the harassment that Leslie experienced. | ||
| He incited the... | ||
| Well, they didn't incite anything. | ||
| He made a provocative article about a piece of art. | ||
| And that's what that movie is, a piece of art. | ||
| So they are guilty of censorship in the worst way. | ||
| Well, what they're doing is they're stifling ideas they don't agree with. | ||
| And they've decided that... | ||
| Twitter established some weird fucking thing called the Trust and Security Council or something like that. | ||
| And they brought on all these social justice warriors. | ||
| Jamie, look that up. | ||
| What the fuck is that called that they tried to do? | ||
| But they brought on all these people for this... | ||
| Sounds like Mao's China. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's very, very bizarre. | ||
| It's thought control. | ||
| It is thought control. | ||
| Well, look, I'm against harassment. | ||
| If you can stop people from being shitty to people, and you say, well, here's someone who's using Twitter, and they're going after people in a very shitty way, but... | ||
| The problem with that is, look at how many fucking people have made shitty, horrible, evil comments about police officers. | ||
| All police officers. | ||
| Trust and safety counsel. | ||
| When it comes to safety, everyone plays a role. | ||
| Please make that larger so I can read it. | ||
| Twitter empowers every voice to shape the world, but you can't do that unless you feel safe and confident enough to express yourself freely and connect with the world around you. | ||
| To help give your voice more power, Twitter does not tolerate behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice. | ||
| Very general, by the way. | ||
| Very general. | ||
| Now you have a council that is deciding whether or not you're good enough for Twitter. | ||
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| Well, you know what the first thing they did with him, they couldn't figure out what to do with him, they took away his verification. | ||
| What does that have to do with... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| He's not verified anymore. | ||
| They took away his little blue check. | ||
| It's very dangerous. | ||
| It's a very dangerous slippery slope, but we see this in our universities too. | ||
| You do. | ||
| Exactly the same thing. | ||
| When they did that, he gained 20,000 new followers immediately because there was a massive backlash. | ||
| So now they're in a place where there's even more backlash because if you look at the actual words that he typed, Versus what they're accusing him of and it just doesn't stack up It's clear that they don't like him because he's a Republican. | ||
| He's a Trump supporter He and he is a fucking troll. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| I think he's hilarious He's a troll but in the marketplace of ideas, you should be able to combat his trolling behavior without gagging him Engage him In a debate, in a vigorous spirited debate, don't gag the guy. | ||
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Right. | |
| If you really feel like he has done something egregious, he's done something that can be criticized, criticize it. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And if he's actually harassing people, if he's actually saying, hey, go find Leslie Jones and throw dog shit at her or do something horrible to her or slash her tires or something like that. | ||
| If he's actually doing something like that, yeah. | ||
| Then he's committing a crime. | ||
| That's where you don't get up in a crowded movie theater and scream fire because you'll create a stampede, right? | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Maya Angelou talked about that when she said where the Ku Klux Klan was saying, we have a freedom of speech. | ||
| And Maya Angelou said, your freedom of speech can end when you're literally telling people to hang me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you're telling a mob and I'm standing right there inciting them. | ||
| That's probably where we should take a look at things. | ||
| And we all know the line. | ||
| We don't all know, though. | ||
| No, I'm saying that there is something called common decency. | ||
| And people like to jump to these extremes, but it doesn't inform the debate. | ||
| I think what you're saying is so important. | ||
| And the idea that you've got to create safe haven for those that you agree with and disagree with. | ||
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Right. | |
| I disagree with Milo all the time. | ||
| I mean, he and I are friends, and I've had him on the podcast twice. | ||
| And when we talk, I mock him. | ||
| We have fun. | ||
| But he's a good guy. | ||
| But he's just really right-wing. | ||
| I also think his trolling is so fucking sophisticated. | ||
| And he's one of the ones that was saying that he believes that Melania, how do you say her name? | ||
| Melania is Trump, yeah. | ||
| Melania, is that her name? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He thinks that they did it on purpose. | ||
| He thinks Trump is a master troll and he thinks that the plagiarism was on purpose because now more people are talking about it and then more people are... | ||
| I don't know if that's true, but I think it's hilarious that, did you know that his tweet, Trump's tweet that he put out to congratulate his wife for speaking is exactly verbatim the same tweet that Obama put out to congratulate his wife for speaking. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Every single word in the exact same order. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's pretty calculated. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think he writes his own tweets. | ||
| That apparently wasn't true. | ||
| Is it fake? | ||
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| Oh, those motherfuckers. | ||
| They got me. | ||
| Oh, that was the other thing they did. | ||
| I'm sorry about that, folks. | ||
| That's another thing that they did with Leslie Jones, which she was really upset, is that trolls were taking words and putting them, like they were taking a photoshop and making her, like her name, like what she had, you know, her Twitter name, and then writing horrible shit about gay people. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And then putting it in there. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| But... | ||
| Leslie Jones, and again, I love her. | ||
| I think she's really funny. | ||
| She said some kind of fucked up things on Twitter herself. | ||
| And, you know, things that can be construed as racist. | ||
| One of the things she said about white people being shit. | ||
| Fuck white people shit. | ||
| Like, something like that. | ||
| It was on Breitbart. | ||
| See if you could find the actual things that they were saying. | ||
| Like, how could Leslie Jones get away with saying this? | ||
| But... | ||
| Milo gets banned for writing an article. | ||
| And I'm not... | ||
| But I think what Leslie said, like, white people shit, it could have been that she was saying, like, someone did something, and goddamn white people, this is some white people shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| She's funny. | ||
| Like when people climb into a zoo and try to fucking hug a tiger. | ||
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| That's white people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's white people shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's funny, though. | ||
| And Leslie, anybody who knows Leslie knows... | ||
| Lord have mercy. | ||
| She's a great... | ||
| She's just a fucking doll. | ||
| Lord have mercy, white people shit. | ||
| What does that mean, though? | ||
| It's white people shit. | ||
| Like, they do crazy stuff. | ||
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But I don't know. | |
| I mean, what does that mean? | ||
| Like, why did she say that? | ||
| Like, what is that about? | ||
| Imagine a white person. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Imagine a white person saying that about black people. | ||
| I understand, but I think, you know, we've heard this before, and we... | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Leslie Jones is not a racist. | ||
| Leslie Jones has never been anything but really kind to people around her. | ||
| Okay, but hold on a second. | ||
| Because sometimes people say things that are racist, and they're not racist. | ||
| They're just trying to be funny. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, you know, I mean... | ||
| Well, too sensitive sometimes about it. | ||
| Jeff Ross is hilarious, and he says a lot of racial stuff when he roasts people. | ||
| Sarah Silverman. | ||
| Sarah Silverman. | ||
| But Jeff Ross in particular, because he's really good at roasting people. | ||
| And a lot of the stuff that he says, like, you know, he crosses what some people would say is a line. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But what is he doing? | ||
| He's being funny. | ||
| There is a difference. | ||
| So, a lot of times, if you're Hispanic, if you're, you know... | ||
| If you're from a marginalized group, you can get away with it. | ||
| You can get away with it because you all share in a common experience of repression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, gay people can mock straight people. | ||
| Like, go ahead, mock me for liking pussy. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
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Right? | |
| Because we've never had to pay a price for that kind of oppression. | ||
| We haven't. | ||
| Not physically and not economically. | ||
| Well, that's not true because we've been oppressed for being straight forever. | ||
| It's a constant thing. | ||
| People are just so mad that we're on day. | ||
| You're such a breeder. | ||
| Fucking breeder. | ||
| Who are you out there, making babies? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It was fucking Otto and George had a great line. | ||
| You know, Otto and George, if you don't know, Otto was this fucking great, hilarious comedian who had a puppet named George, and his puppet was evil, and these bushy eyebrows. | ||
| And the puppet would say these fucked up things, and Otto would go, ah, I can't believe you're saying that. | ||
| Like, what the hell? | ||
| And the puppet would say, he goes, I don't understand where all these fucking queers are coming from. | ||
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For a group of people that can't breed, where the fuck are they all coming from? | |
| It's like you had to say purposely ignorant shit as his puppet. | ||
| Well, you know, a lot of times all of us think outrageous thoughts. | ||
| We think prejudiced thoughts. | ||
| It's part of being a human being, man. | ||
| Well, there's a friend of mine who is dealing with these folks that are Jewish that are incredibly cheap. | ||
| And this friend of mine was saying, like, how fucking embarrassing is it when someone just reenacts the most disgusting stereotype about a race? | ||
| Like a Chinese guy that just closes his eyes and just drives straight into traffic. | ||
| It's fucking horrible stereotypes that when you see them, you're like, oh, come on, man. | ||
| If I was Chinese and I saw someone driving like that, I'd be like, you motherfucker! | ||
| Do you know what I'm dealing with here? | ||
| If there's an accident and I'm involved, people go, oh, of course! | ||
| The fucking Asian guy! | ||
| Got a car accident! | ||
| Well, do you know what Dunbar's principle is? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, and we have a limited number of people we can keep in our heads, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that also plays a part in stereotyping. | ||
| There's a limited amount of information that we can kind of like keep in our heads. | ||
| So actually stereotyping was something that kept us safe. | ||
| You're talking about, when you talk about stereotyping, what you're really talking about is pattern recognition and chunking information. | ||
| You're looking at something because you don't have a lot of time. | ||
| You're looking at a dude. | ||
| It's like Dov Davidoff's joke about, you know, he said he was sitting there and this guy walked up to him. | ||
| He's already done this joke, so I'm not ruining it. | ||
| But he said, you know, look, we assume things all the time. | ||
| He goes, I saw this guy with teardrop tattoos. | ||
| He had a knife. | ||
| And I was like, I don't want to hang around here. | ||
| And the girl goes, don't assume. | ||
| He could be a chef. | ||
| I'm like, that's fine. | ||
| He could be a chef. | ||
| But if you pull your pants down and you got a bunch of blisters in your genitals, I'm not going to assume you got stung by a pack of bees. | ||
| You know, at the end of the day, you do stereotype. | ||
| You make choices based on how you, you know, what the information you get. | ||
| And you do it very quickly because sometimes that information can keep you safe. | ||
| A cop, a lot of times when they see, they can tell if somebody shouldn't be somewhere because they'll look for certain things. | ||
| That person's driving and they're on their way somewhere. | ||
| There are lots of different little signals that cause you to profile. | ||
| Because sometimes profiling is what's called good police work. | ||
| We all do it. | ||
| When I'm driving and I see a dude in his car and I see the back of his head, I can make a lot of fucking assumptions on how he's driving and whether or not he's going to signal. | ||
| Like an old dude with a hat. | ||
| Do it all the time. | ||
| I do it all the time. | ||
| I got to speed by the sky. | ||
| I got to beat my horn before I go by because he might just swerve in because he's a fucking dummy. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So some of this is just being a human being. | ||
| And again, it's how our minds work. | ||
| And we probably all share very similar thought patterns with even our enemies or even the people we don't like. | ||
| Right, but being a Jewish person, it's really cheap. | ||
| Like, super cheap. | ||
| But that comes from... | ||
| That's different, isn't it? | ||
| No, because... | ||
| That's characteristic. | ||
| The way I would look at it is this. | ||
| So I'd say, you'd say, that Jewish person is cheap, right? | ||
| And I would say, what I would look at is I'd say, well, hold on for a second. | ||
| If you've been a Jew, you have a history, and we can go back 3,500 years, but let's just go back, I don't know, let's go back 2,000 years. | ||
| You've got a history of a lot of people... | ||
| Yeah, but they're talking about someone in their 20s. | ||
| No, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Listen, you've got a lot of people blaming the Jews for killing Christ, right? | ||
| And so usually, if you look at history, especially European history, they were either kicked out or they were killed. | ||
| So what happens is, if you don't have a homeland, if you don't have a homeland, then you're a Jew, all right? | ||
| But don't they have a homeland? | ||
| No, but that's very recent. | ||
| What is that, 1948? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So as a Jew, when you actually don't have, you know, a country, I'm just, you know, as an example... | ||
| Guess what your security is? | ||
| Your fucking security at the end of the day is how thick your wallet is because money, money is how you survived. | ||
| You know the reason that a lot of Jews- That's a good point. | ||
| The reason Jews were into the jewelry trade? | ||
| Diamonds? | ||
| Well, diamonds are something you could pick up, put in a pouch, and run the fuck away really quickly. | ||
| You could transport your wealth. | ||
| So they were like, well, we're kept out of banking, we're kept out of all these things, but we can make clothing? | ||
| And we're jewelers. | ||
| And they came to this country, those immigrants came to this country with those two skills. | ||
| The Irish came to this country with, hey, I got two hands. | ||
| I can work a farm. | ||
| What do you need me to do? | ||
| The Jews were like, I can make fucking really nice clothes and I can label them and I can get you to think that they're even nicer because I understand a little bit about marketing. | ||
| Oh, and by the way, I got diamonds. | ||
| There were certain things that they were forced into and they came to this country and they had a skill set. | ||
| So I look at that and I go, ooh, that's just cultural residue. | ||
| That's just cultural residue. | ||
| You were taught that that's how you get ahead. | ||
| And you were taught that holding on to your money is, by the way, also a way to ensure your survival. | ||
| So the more you learn about, you know, the more you learn about a people's history, the more you learn about our biology, the more we learn about brain science, I think, the more compassionate it makes us. | ||
| Well, that's also why a lot of people feel that some Asian folks are bad drivers because they're used to minding their own business, not looking left and right. | ||
| And when they walk, they walk straight ahead and they bump into each other all the time. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's fucking great! | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
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That's great! | |
| Well, a friend of mine who's Chinese actually was explaining this to me. | ||
| He's like, if you go to China and you walk down the street, he goes, people just bounce off each other like bumper cars. | ||
| And he goes, and it's not offensive. | ||
| It's just what they're doing. | ||
| They're not doing it on purpose. | ||
| It's just like when you're dealing with billions of people, like this is how you do it. | ||
| You just got to plow forward. | ||
| Have you ever seen intersections in China? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Have you seen videos of intersections? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It's fucking terrifying. | ||
| It's insanity. | ||
| It's fucking terrifying. | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| It's ants. | ||
| Italy was terrifying. | ||
| They drive like fucking savages in Italy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's roundabouts. | ||
| We're driving into the roundabout. | ||
| We're like, oh, Jesus! | ||
| And the driver just skillfully maneuvers around this. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I love it. | ||
| Look at this fucking madness. | ||
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It's amazing. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But they figure it out. | ||
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It's not how it works. | |
| They left. | ||
| They right. | ||
| They zoom around each other. | ||
| They're driving slowly, and they're all making their own. | ||
| So at 25 miles an hour, they say, anything below 25 miles an hour, human beings are very good at navigating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good example, and this is kind of a weird overhead view. | ||
| I love it, though. | ||
| This is actually manageable, but I've seen some shit that just doesn't look manageable. | ||
| You also see people die in those intersections. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, how about the people that are walking? | ||
| They just walk across the street and pray that people avoid them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, goddammit. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of cultures that have their own little thing that they do to sort of deal with the numbers that they're dealing with. | ||
| And, you know, you see that in America, too. | ||
| One of the things that I really like about small towns, when I go to a small... | ||
| Like, I was in Bozeman, Montana recently. | ||
| There's only 35,000 residents in Bozeman, Montana. | ||
| It's a great town, and everybody drives really nice. | ||
| Everybody's like fucking super chill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's not that many people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, people are like real easy going, let everybody, and I realize like, what you're dealing with in Los Angeles, like I felt it the moment I got off the plane when I went from Montana to here, the moment you get here, you're like, you gotta go, gotta go, cut this guy off, get ahead, gotta get it. | ||
| There's a feeling in the air. | ||
| And they did a study, and one of the things that they did a study on was they put up cameras in cities, and they measured the amount of footsteps that people take, like how quickly they walk. | ||
| And then they measured how many syllables people say in a minute, how quickly they talk. | ||
| And through those two numbers, they were able to accurately estimate how many people lived in that city, down to like a thousand. | ||
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God! | |
| I love that stuff. | ||
| God, that's interesting. | ||
| If you have a shitload of people, people walk faster and they talk faster. | ||
| If you have less people, they slow down. | ||
| Well, Gail Collins, who's a columnist in the New York Times, always says that right-wing and left-wing people, it's all about space. | ||
| You become more of a socialist when you have to contend with all your neighbors. | ||
| So you live in a building and it requires cooperation. | ||
| It requires waiting in line. | ||
| It requires all these things. | ||
| When you live in Bozeman, Montana and you have all that space, you can preach self-reliance. | ||
| You can sort of talk about the value of sovereignty, personal sovereignty, self-reliance and all that stuff. | ||
| So it does play a real factor in your psychology. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| No, I was going to say Malcolm Gladwell in his book. | ||
| I think it was Blink where you mentioned when people would come to his office and if you mentioned Florida, raisins and orange juice, people left the room a lot slower. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they thought of old people and retirement. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And so it played a factor in their gait. | ||
| They left the fucking office. | ||
| They were less inspired. | ||
| They walked down the aisle. | ||
| Well, they walked down the hallway more measured because you put the idea of an old person in their brain. | ||
| Well, what I was going to say is this is where the role of college is. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Because colleges sort of throw a monkey wrench into that. | ||
| Because colleges take a small town and turn it very liberal, which ordinarily would not be that way. | ||
| You're dealing with small rural environments. | ||
| You usually deal with conservative populations that are Christian and they're into fucking Republican sort of ideas. | ||
| Well, there's also something else about liberal towns. | ||
| They're small liberal towns like you're talking about. | ||
| I don't think they turn them liberal. | ||
| What they really do is they take away any existential threat for the most part. | ||
| They make those towns super safe. | ||
| There are a lot of rules that would penalize anybody, for example, young men for misbehaving by punching each other in the face or imposing their aggression on a weaker group of people. | ||
| I think that's also how I characterize a liberal small academic town. | ||
| They are safe, for the most part, safe environments for you to figure the world out and express yourself. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying about that? | ||
| Yeah, safer, like Boulder's a good example of that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Low blood sugar, sort of, you know. | ||
| Yeah, well, I wouldn't say low blood sugar because there's a lot of fitness going on there. | ||
| Boulder's one of the fittest towns in the world, like per capita. | ||
| Like a lot of people have low body fat, they're hiking all the time. | ||
| Good looking people. | ||
| And they're in a fantastic environment as far as the natural beauty of the land around them and they take advantage of it. | ||
| They're always hiking and biking and shit. | ||
| But you don't have to worry about things like a shootout. | ||
| My friend who grew up in the hood said that he knew when something was about to happen. | ||
| And I said, what do you mean? | ||
| He said, the air changed. | ||
| Your friend might be an idiot. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He said, no, he said, because what happens is... | ||
| In all fairness, a lot of your friends are idiots. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He grew up in the hood, and he had a lot of his friends killed. | ||
| White guy? | ||
| No, no, no, black guy. | ||
| He had a lot of his friends killed. | ||
| And he said, what I would notice, and everybody would notice, is that when the shootout was about to happen, or a fight was about to break out, he said there was almost like this... | ||
| Like, whatever it was imagined or not, there would be this calm before the storm. | ||
| The air would change. | ||
| Things would settle. | ||
| And then, boom, something would happen. | ||
| And he said, everybody felt that. | ||
| He said, because we were talking about how my friend walked through the savannah with his wife, who grew up in Kenya. | ||
| And his wife knew everything about it. | ||
| She was like, don't worry about the lions. | ||
| She knew everything. | ||
| She knew animal behavior. | ||
| Until she saw... | ||
| What animal? | ||
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What? | |
| Guess. | ||
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Guess. | |
| Hyenas? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| People? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Monkeys? | ||
| Water buffalo. | ||
| And she looked at her husband and she said, climb that tree right fucking now. | ||
| And he said, I knew when she told me to climb the tree because there were lions and she said, don't worry. | ||
| When she said climb the tree, I climbed that fucking tree because it was a water buffalo. | ||
| She knew her environment and just like he, he would walk through the hood and he was safe. | ||
| He knew how to navigate, but he also knew when something was about to happen. | ||
| There's a great Jim Shockey show. | ||
| Jim Shockey's this really famous conservationist and big game hunter from Canada. | ||
| Really interesting guy. | ||
| He's got this great show called Uncharted. | ||
| And it's kind of a hunting show, but not really. | ||
| It's more of an exploration of culture because he travels to all these different countries and he really gets deeply embedded in their country. | ||
| And in their culture. | ||
| And it goes to these strange lands in the middle of nowhere in Russia or in Soviet Union, former Soviet Union. | ||
| And he spent a lot of time in Africa as well. | ||
| He's done a bunch of shows in Africa. | ||
| They actually brought him in to kill crocodiles that were killing people in this village. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| And the people in the village, man, it was fucking horrific. | ||
| They would go through this village with cameras and people would be showing, like, this guy's missing an arm, this guy's missing a leg, this guy has a bite taken out of his head. | ||
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Damn. | |
| Like, everyone. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Like, all these people. | ||
| Everyone knew someone. | ||
| Because they had to get their water down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody knew. | ||
| While they were there. | ||
| While they were there filming this, a woman got taken away by a crocodile. | ||
| I mean, it's just a constant, complete threat. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| That's terrifying. | ||
| And they were not scared of anything. | ||
| Like, they were scared of buffaloes. | ||
| Those fucking cape buffaloes. | ||
| Water buffaloes. | ||
| They're like, these goddamn things. | ||
| These grass-eating monsters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they have to fight lions all the time. | ||
| So they fuck and they fight lions off. | ||
| And they're just jacked to the tits. | ||
| I mean, if you look at them, you're like, what is that thing eating? | ||
| It must be eating steroids. | ||
| Don't they weigh 3,000 pounds? | ||
| No, they're fucking enormous. | ||
| They're enormous. | ||
| They're huge, huge animals. | ||
| And lions are the biggest assholes because they'll eat their balls while they're on them. | ||
| They take their testicles. | ||
| They go for the balls? | ||
| First thing they eat is their balls and their dick. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep, because they're behind them. | ||
| So you got one on your back, and then they're like, hmm. | ||
| Go for the ball. | ||
| Well, it's probably easy to tear loose. | ||
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Of course it is. | |
| It's a good bite. | ||
| Good old... | ||
| It sucks being a water bottle. | ||
| Oh, it sucks being a lion, too, man. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Running around killing shit with your face all day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all you can do. | ||
| You don't have a store. | ||
| You don't have a credit card. | ||
| Nature is fucking... | ||
| Oh, it's fucked. | ||
| Nature is brutal. | ||
| Human beings have always, it's been a constant war against nature, actually. | ||
| It's always been. | ||
| How do you harness nature? | ||
| Pretty much every animal that exists, every animal that exists, even lions are in a constant war with other lions. | ||
| Like, their reign of terror is so fucking insanely brief. | ||
| They got a couple years where they run the pride, and then some new lion comes along and kills them. | ||
| Or bites them so fucked up that they're forced to leave. | ||
| Even Great Whites. | ||
| Great Whites, they played, they had, this guy, Paul DeGelder, who did our podcast, Fighter and Kid, and he ended up losing his arm and his hand and his leg to a bull shark in Sydney Bay. | ||
| In Sydney Bay. | ||
| He goes to punch the shark. | ||
| Bull sharks are brutal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He goes to punch the shark and he goes, oh, I don't have a hand left. | ||
| And then almost died and all that. | ||
| What does he have on his arm now? | ||
| Does he have a prosthesis? | ||
| Yeah, it's an amazing prosthesis, which can close and open. | ||
| Is it a carbon fiber one? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It's like $90,000. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| But he was an Australian Navy SEAL jack dude, you know, like a handsome guy. | ||
| And just, you know, there he was, lost his arm and leg. | ||
| But... | ||
| He was talking about how they played... | ||
| There was an area where all these great whites, I guess bull sharks and stuff, and they played the sound of orcas. | ||
| They played the sound of what they make when they're hunting. | ||
| And they said that fucking sharks didn't come near that area for six months. | ||
| They were just like, see ya, I'm out of here. | ||
| And then what hunts them? | ||
| Us. | ||
| We fuck up the orcas. | ||
| Yeah, it's a constant battle, and it always has been. | ||
| And I always wonder, like, is that battle... | ||
| I mean, it's sort of necessary. | ||
| It seems like with the natural world... | ||
| I mean, obviously we're striving towards some higher state of existence. | ||
| Everyone is. | ||
| I mean, I think that's where... | ||
| Where Buddhists come from and meditation comes from and veganism comes from. | ||
| And meat that doesn't have a central nervous system. | ||
| Utopian ideologies and all these thoughts about what we're trying to do is, whether misguided or not, we're trying to strive towards improvement. | ||
| And that is the state of life. | ||
| And it's also the state of nature. | ||
| There has to be some sort of a balance of power with animals that are herbivores and animals that are carnivores. | ||
| They're talking about bringing in cougars on the east coast of the United States because they have too many deer. | ||
| They have too many deer. | ||
| And it's a really fascinating subject because it's a better idea than bringing in wolves. | ||
| Well, wolves are very hard to... | ||
| They tend to be wholesale with their slaughter, right? | ||
| Not only that, they do a lot of fun killing. | ||
| They like to fun kill. | ||
| Yeah, they do what they call surplus hunting. | ||
| That video I showed you where I shot that deer in London? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In England? | ||
| You shot a deer in London? | ||
| An hour and a half outside. | ||
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What are you doing? | |
| An hour outside of London. | ||
| You're hunting in someone's yard? | ||
| Well, my buddy owns this giant... | ||
| My buddy, you know, he made a lot of money. | ||
| He said, I said, where's your property? | ||
| And he goes, well, can you see down there? | ||
| I go, I look. | ||
| He goes, and can you look that way? | ||
| And basically, as far as I looked, it was all his. | ||
| And he said, by law, he needs to kill 21 deer a year on his property because deer are such a problem. | ||
| You know, because there are no natural predators. | ||
| There's another thing they've found out today, there's an article today, there was always these myths about mountain lions being loose in England, in the countryside. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It turns out, it's true, it turns out it came from a zoo that just admitted recently that they released these pumas. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They released these fucking mountain lions that they had in captivity. | ||
| So the people had been ridiculed. | ||
| Like, oh, someone took away... | ||
| A big cat took away my sheep. | ||
| Oh, this motherfucker's drinking. | ||
| No, they were telling the truth. | ||
| These fucking mountain lions were released in the 1980s. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| In the countryside in England. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking crazy-ass soup. | ||
| Seems like they could live in all that forest. | ||
| Well, as long as... | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| The Beast of Dartmoor... | ||
| That's how you say it? | ||
| Dartmoor? | ||
| Mystery solved. | ||
| As Zoo admits, it released Pumas into the wild in the 1980s. | ||
| So that was one of those things. | ||
| I think it was on that show, Monster Quest. | ||
| They're beautiful animals. | ||
| Look at how awesome they are. | ||
| They're amazing, man. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| And you know, my buddy has a 70-pound or 75-pound German Shepherd, like a bite trained, you know, it's a complete badass dog. | ||
| And I was looking at it, and if you look at the size of that thing's headed, maybe 75 pounds, doesn't look like much. | ||
| Good luck fighting that thing off. | ||
| I've seen that thing hit a sleeve and it's horrific how powerful they are. | ||
| Mountain lions get up to what? | ||
| 150 pounds? | ||
| They can get bigger than that. | ||
| Twice that size? | ||
| It's rare, but... | ||
| Also, they're cats. | ||
| And cats are just way more agile. | ||
| I got a great story about mountain lions. | ||
| A friend of mine is a guide, an elk hunting guide in Colorado. | ||
| And he said that they found these tracks of this mountain lion. | ||
| They have to kill a certain amount of mountain lions on their property because they have this gigantic ranch. | ||
| And, you know, they have a certain amount of tags that they have to fill or they should fill. | ||
| And so, you know, they try to control the populations of mountain lions. | ||
| So they were trying to find this mountain lion. | ||
| They're tracking this mountain lion. | ||
| They tracked these tracks, and they saw elk tracks, and they saw mountain lion tracks. | ||
| And then they saw only elk tracks. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Because the mountain lion had jumped on the back of this fucking gigantic 900 pound bull elk and rode it for 150 yards and then taken it down. | ||
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Damn! | |
| So this 150 pound cat, who they wound up killing, had killed this, you know, close to a thousand pound elk. | ||
| That is unreal, man. | ||
| But when they found it, the fucking mountain lion was on the elk, and the elk was down. | ||
| And then, you know, they followed the tracks of this elk running with this cat on its back. | ||
| The thing just leaped. | ||
| Imagine being something like a person. | ||
| You know, you weigh 170 pounds. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like a cat. | ||
| And you decide, oh, I'm going to jump on that 1,000-pound horse and kill it with my face. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And their canines have sensors, apparently, where they can sense where the jugular is, so they keep adjusting their grip. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Good God, man. | ||
| Well, it's nature, man. | ||
| Nature's just so creepy, and it's ways of adjusting to life. | ||
| Life eats life. | ||
| My friend Andreas Antonopoulos, my friend the Bitcoin expert, explained this to me last weekend in Vegas. | ||
| Ducks. | ||
| Have three foot long dicks that curl and twist because the female vaginas have adapted to fight off rape. | ||
| Duck rape. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they have these pussies that are these fucking labyrinths. | ||
| These twisty turny labyrinth pussies. | ||
| And they can choose to let sperm in or not let sperm in. | ||
| With their gigantic labyrinth pussies. | ||
| And these three foot long duck dicks. | ||
| When you see a duck's dick, you're like, that is not real. | ||
| Look at that duck's dick! | ||
| That's a drawing. | ||
| That's a drawing, but there's an actual photograph. | ||
| That's an actual photograph of a duck dick. | ||
| What in the fuck? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| That's like a person with like a 15 foot long dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ducks are tiny, man. | ||
| A horse true dick. | ||
| Like a person with a three foot dick is a monster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But a duck with a three foot long dick is totally standard. | ||
| That's a dick. | ||
| That's a limp one. | ||
| That's a real dick. | ||
| That's a guy's little dick. | ||
| He gets shamed by the other ducks. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, duck dicks are ridiculous. | ||
| It's a fucking ridiculous animal. | ||
| What a crazy corkscrew. | ||
| I knew that ducks engaged in rape or gang rape. | ||
| Oh, that's all they do. | ||
| That's the only way they fuck. | ||
| They gang up on one female. | ||
| Look how the female's vagina has sort of adapted to deal with the male raping. | ||
| They've created these bizarre pathways in their pussies. | ||
| When you listen to Dan Carlin's Wrath of the Cons or you read History, And it was always, here we come, we're knocking down your walls, and we're selling everybody into slavery. | ||
| History is a history of rape, right? | ||
| So most women basically were like, ah, shit, walls are coming down, our men are going to be killed, we're going to be raped. | ||
| I mean, it just happened over and over and over. | ||
| I would imagine that most of history is a story like that. | ||
| And women were basically just forced to be taken by either a group of men or whatever. | ||
| Just like most of animal history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just brutal. | ||
| It's really interesting how, I guess, women had to adapt and evolve. | ||
| And this woman wrote an article, and I can't remember her name because it was pretty controversial. | ||
| And she said that because, you know, so much of history, women had no choice. | ||
| They were forced upon by men. | ||
| One of two things happened. | ||
| First, they had to find the man who was the most aggressive and strong who could protect them from the other men. | ||
| So for women to be attracted to aggression and strength is not so uncommon. | ||
| But the other really controversial thing she said was that there are cases where women are turned on by aggressive sex, you know, being held down and all that stuff. | ||
| And it's probably the fact that they had to evolve because otherwise they'd get injured if they didn't get lubricated. | ||
| I read that and I was like, well, good luck with that. | ||
| But she was a female anthropologist. | ||
| I can't remember her fucking name. | ||
| But I was like, well, can you imagine coming up with that article? | ||
| And this is my thesis in anthropology in Amherst College, everybody. | ||
| Well, it's a very objective thought process. | ||
| Evolution. | ||
| It's just evolution. | ||
| It's called evolving and dealing with aggression the way the ducks did. | ||
| Well, and also dealing with the natural world that you find yourself in, which is just filled with danger and murder and constant warfare. | ||
| I mean, that's what people did. | ||
| That's all people did. | ||
| I mean, there was states of peace interrupted by war. | ||
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| And states of peace. | ||
| I mean, Genghis Khan and his children and his armies killed 10% of the population of the world during his lifetime. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| There's a New York Times article they wrote where they were saying that he altered the carbon footprint of human beings on Earth, a measurable altering of the carbon footprint because it killed so many people. | ||
| You could measure the difference in the amount of people that were there before him and after him by core samples. | ||
| Well, you know, Hitler did something similar in the Russian countryside. | ||
| He killed entire villages because he was trying to clear an area for sort of the migration of the German peoples. | ||
| The idea that, you know, let's get rid of these sort of people that think and talk differently and let's create a utopia. | ||
| Well, what Genghis Khan did that was so fucked up is he did it all before there was even guns. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Jesus Christ. | ||
| They were doing it with bows and arrows. | ||
| They killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 70 million people while he was alive. | ||
| Well, he said, I think what he said was really neat. | ||
| I never forgot. | ||
| He said the Romans would create a wasteland and call it peace. | ||
| And to an extent, the Genghis Khan did the same thing. | ||
| Well, not only that, what's interesting is how history looks at them now. | ||
| That's one of the things that Dan Carlin was talking about. | ||
| Carlin was talking about how people tend to look in the future. | ||
| They'll look at... | ||
| And he was actually using it in terms of like... | ||
| Would people do this with the Nazis? | ||
| When enough time has passed, you can say, well, he cleared the road for trade to the East. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What was the silver lining in massive genocide? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Very controversial, but of course, with everything, it goes back to exactly what we were talking about, where Where when you come up in the ghetto, you might just create Miles Davis. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of heartache and terrible things, and from shit is the brightest flower, that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, and once there's enough time passed, then you can sort of look at it with this distance, and you can kind of objectively look at it and go, well, you know, here's the benefit of that. | ||
| Here's the silver lining. | ||
| Where that doesn't really hold up, though, is if you look at where the bulk of innovation and artistic expression on a high level came out of. | ||
| It came out of free societies. | ||
| I mean, look at what Sparta left behind? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And look at what Athens left behind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, sort of, but Sparta left behind a deep history of warriors. | ||
| Mythology, though. | ||
| But nothing you can really hang your hat on. | ||
| In other words, story and talk about hardship and separating a child from his mother and all that stuff. | ||
| Gerard Butler, 300. And kicking people into wells. | ||
| But yes, there's a mythology, a warrior ethos that you can, you know, kind of, I'm a Spartan. | ||
| But Athens, the Acropolis and the writings of the great philosophy, the butt-fucking, the idea of demos, democracy, demos the people. | ||
| These are ideas. | ||
| Look at, in today's world, the amount of innovation that's coming out of a peaceful society, and a society that respects other people's ideas, and a society that, for the most part, at least from a historical perspective, gives a great deal of freedom and benefit to those that have the guts to come up with their own ideas. | ||
| Well, that's the interesting aspect about what the United States is as this Experiment and self-government and what it is what it started off as what it is currently Is that this is the most recent of countries and it's also the one that has overwhelmingly the most innovation the most artistic Contributions we're pioneers, but there's so much that comes out of here in terms of comedy Film. | ||
| I mean, obviously the rest of the world has its contributions. | ||
| I'm not saying that the United States is the best. | ||
| I mean, the Beatles came out of England. | ||
| There's a lot of amazing works of art that come out all over the world. | ||
| But this country is a hotbed of artistic expression and innovation. | ||
| By far and away the biggest. | ||
| And it's the most recent. | ||
| Now, the oldest country that we know of, the cradle of civilization, is the Middle East. | ||
| Yeah, Iraq, Babylon. | ||
| And those are the townies of the world. | ||
| This is a thought that I've been bouncing around for a long time. | ||
| This is the reason why those places are so fucked up. | ||
| It's because the echoes of savages, the echoes of these ancient people are still in this area. | ||
| It's so difficult. | ||
| You've got to get out of the fucking town, man. | ||
| You've got to leave the town. | ||
| Well, but see, the great tragedy is that, and they've done a lot of studies on why do some nations... | ||
| Why do some nations fail and why do some nations become prosperous? | ||
| And you can break it down into a number of things. | ||
| You can see the problem with the Middle East is for a thousand reasons we can get into. | ||
| And a lot of it was just foreign invasion and foreign meddling and stuff like that. | ||
| How about Genghis Khan? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, what he did to Baghdad in 1260. Yeah, well they say that to this day Baghdad maybe still hasn't recovered from them invading and they said that the rivers ran red with blood and ink, black with ink, like all the amazing works. | ||
| The libraries burned and everything else. | ||
| Yeah, Islamic scholars throughout history were like innovators. | ||
| They were like the head of math, philosophy, of course. | ||
| And a lot of people say that the Middle East has never even recovered, has never quite recovered from that. | ||
| But, you know, there are so many important things for why a nation, you know, for example, one is that your political parties that lose Live to see another day. | ||
| That is very important. | ||
| When you lose an election in a lot of countries, like the hardliners, and somebody said to me, I said, why are the hardliners in Iran such a pain in the ass? | ||
| He goes, because if they lose, they will die. | ||
| That's a very important thing to keep in mind. | ||
| So when you have power and your survival depends on holding on to power, you're going to have a secret police that basically is pretty brutal when they sniff any kind of insurrection. | ||
| This country is pretty amazing. | ||
| What's so unique about the United States is after the Revolutionary War, after every Revolutionary War, the country always breaks into civil war, always. | ||
| And the Founding Fathers had incredible restraint and wisdom to allow the election after that war to go as it would. | ||
| They didn't resort to violence. | ||
| That's so unique in history. | ||
| But our country and the UK and Australia and Canada and a couple other countries, when you lose, democracy is built on the idea that when your political party loses, you live to see another day and fight on. | ||
| Very important. | ||
| The other is property rights. | ||
| You need property rights. | ||
| The other is courts that mean something. | ||
| And the other is the scientific method. | ||
| You have to embrace the scientific method. | ||
| A society has to say that it's not about superstition. | ||
| This is not a theology. | ||
| Let's base reality on what you can measure and what you can see. | ||
| Those things are so fucking important. | ||
| If you don't have those Those central principles as a through line, if that's not the scaffolding of your society, you're just not going to do as well as a country like the United States. | ||
| You're not going to have people that innovate because there's no fucking incentive. | ||
| There's no incentive in it. | ||
| You're not going to benefit from it. | ||
| You could get it stolen or you could be killed because you think differently or all those things. | ||
| Well, also, you're not safe enough to innovate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have the ability to express yourself. | ||
| You don't have the ability to take chances. | ||
| Yeah, so the irony, the ironic thing is when you're sensitive and nice to people, when you're empathetic, and when you're respectful of other people, even the ones you disagree with, You make a stronger society. | ||
| Your society is stronger in every way, including militarily. | ||
| Including you have more innovation with weaponry. | ||
| And on that note! | ||
| God, I'm smart, guys. | ||
| Did you write that shit down? | ||
| You're amazing. | ||
| You have your own podcast? | ||
| I got more own podcast. | ||
| And by the way, I'm taking that podcast on the road with a guy named Brendan Schaub. | ||
| Oh, that's a different podcast. | ||
| Oh, no, this is... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But let's talk about the fighter and kid for a second. | ||
| Because Brennan will beat me up if I don't talk about this. | ||
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What? | |
| He beats you up? | ||
| July 29th. | ||
| He hits me. | ||
| He strikes me with an open hand. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He pulls my pants down and spanks me. | ||
| And you know he could. | ||
| And I couldn't do anything about it. | ||
| And I've tried. | ||
| I've tried to fight him. | ||
| And it bothers me. | ||
| Because sometimes I get jumpy with him. | ||
| I get jumpy and I'll get underhooks on him. | ||
| He's a giant. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's weird. | ||
| He's weird gianty. | ||
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He... | |
| I tried... | ||
| Well, you're kind of tiny. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dude, don't use that word. | ||
| Just say medium. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Just say medium. | ||
| Kind of medium, I guess? | ||
| I said the other day, I said, I don't believe you could... | ||
| I don't believe if we were to go take them for takedown. | ||
| And I tried to do a little upper body Greco with them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it didn't go well. | ||
| And I got so flustered and hurt. | ||
| I actually tweaked my neck that I left my wallet and my phone on my fucking car. | ||
| And you drove off. | ||
| I let Brendan's brother drive my car. | ||
| And I... Yeah. | ||
| You smashed your phone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we've been talking about that recently, that I think that people have a massive overestimation, massive, of what they can and can't do with their body. | ||
| Hang around Brendan Schaub. | ||
| Hang around Brendan Schaub. | ||
| Forget Brendan Schaub. | ||
| We played this video of these people that put on these gigantic balloon suits and let bulls hit them. | ||
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What? | |
| You haven't seen this? | ||
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No! | |
| We'll end on this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's fucking insane that these people want to do this. | ||
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I want to see this. | |
| But I think people have this idea in their head that, oh, the bull's coming. | ||
| I'm going to be fine. | ||
| I'll just fucking get out of the way. | ||
| You don't realize. | ||
| They massively overestimate what they can and can't do with their body. | ||
| How they can move their body. | ||
| I've got to see this. | ||
| By the way, while we're watching this, July 29th, 30th, Phoenix Stand-Up Live. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| We still have some tickets left. | ||
| Live Fighter and the Kid podcast show. | ||
| It's a show. | ||
| Me and Brennan Shaw. | ||
| Brennan Shaw will be doing new stand-up. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| So these assholes, look at this. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Meanwhile, their legs. | ||
| Like, say goodbye to your ACL. Look at this. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Holy cow. | ||
| I mean, these are massive, massive animals. | ||
| Bulls are so mean. | ||
| And meanwhile, they just eat grass. | ||
| He looks like he's not hurt. | ||
| I wonder if bulls would be nicer if they had a steak. | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
| Yeah, because it gets worse. | ||
| Like, this guy, he's like, oh, jeez, man. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| This has just started. | ||
| Meanwhile, people are laughing. | ||
| This is what people in rural environments do. | ||
| They laugh. | ||
| They, oh, man! | ||
| Go get him! | ||
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Boom! | |
| Look at the fucking air that guy got. | ||
| The air that gentleman got. | ||
| Oh, my lord. | ||
| Yeah, that guy is fucked. | ||
| And he hit him again while he's out cold. | ||
| I mean, that dude flew through the air. | ||
| Flew. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| What about your legs, bro? | ||
| One more time. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, it seems like that bull doesn't have horns. | ||
| They probably sawed their horns off. | ||
| Good God! | ||
| But whatever, that's not saving you. | ||
| I might have to do that, but I don't have the guts. | ||
| No, you shouldn't do that. | ||
| Well, there's other ones. | ||
| This is one that we looked at. | ||
| They figured out a way to do it better. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the better one is a much larger ball where you're completely encased the ball. | ||
| Yes, that's better. | ||
| Your legs. | ||
| You can't have it from your fucking waist down because your legs are like super flexible or super weak. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want my knees getting broken by a bull's head. | ||
| And they will get broken by a bull's head. | ||
| They'll get mangled. | ||
| Yeah, you got the other one? | ||
| Oh, you don't? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, there's other videos of them doing it where they figure, well, this is not safe enough. | ||
| We got to get a much larger box. | ||
| You hear the people in the audience? | ||
| That's what happens when you get a bunch of farmers and they're drunk and they just wind up fucking each other. | ||
| On the sneak tip. | ||
| Well, I don't know if they keep fucking each other. | ||
| They fuck each other like crazy, those people. | ||
| There's no one around. | ||
| There's like fucking 30 people in the town. | ||
| They're all fucking each other's wives. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Snaking around. | ||
| Hey, I don't think your husband's a true Christian. | ||
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You know, I just see the way he talks to you and just makes me feel terrible about it. | |
| Oh, I don't feel... | ||
| Can you rub my neck? | ||
| Next thing you know... | ||
| Kid's got red hair. | ||
| No, that's cum. | ||
| I don't make that noise when I cum. | ||
| That's a lot of cum. | ||
| I'm like, you're welcome. | ||
| This is for you. | ||
| You've earned it. | ||
| I fart and cum at the same time. | ||
| Take it, my nectar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, guys. | ||
| Goodnight, everybody. | ||
| It's Phoenix Live. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| July 29th and 30th. | ||
| Brian Callen, Brennan Schaub. | ||
| B-R-Y-A-N Callen. | ||
| There's probably some asshole pretending to be Brian. | ||
| That's B-R-I-A-N Callen. | ||
| Yeah, B-R-Y-A-N. Is there an I-N? Probably. | ||
| That bastard. | ||
| Come see me in Oxnard, too. | ||
| Where are you in Oxnard? | ||
| Levity Live. | ||
| Oh, the new club. | ||
| Yeah, August 4th and 5th. | ||
| That's gotta be great. | ||
| August 4th and 5th. | ||
| Those Levity clubs are always the shit. | ||
| Joe Rogan's opening for me. | ||
| Rogan's opening. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What day? | ||
| August 4th and 5th. | ||
| Can you come? | ||
| Um, let me find out. | ||
| Let me find out what I'm doing. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| It could be! | ||
| Alright, you fucks. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
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Bye. |
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