Joe Schilling joins Joe Rogan to dissect internet trolling’s toxic evolution, from "cuck" slurs rooted in cuckold porn to cultural backlash like Berlin’s mayor blaming women’s attire for refugee rape. Schilling mocks the term’s oversensitivity while Rogan ties it to combat sports’ high-stakes pressure, comparing Bellator’s growth with MMA via The Ultimate Fighter. They debate knee/elbow restrictions in kickboxing versus Muay Thai’s brutal clinch rules, praising Thailand’s influence through legends like Sanchai. Schilling reveals his ACL surgery using cadaver grafts and chronic pain management with 600 mg ibuprofen twice daily, sparking Rogan’s warnings about gut inflammation and probiotic solutions. His return to Bellator Kickboxing in Hungary (September) highlights the sport’s international rise, contrasting Glory conflicts and Holland’s dominance with fighters like Rob Kamen. Training insights—Tabata sprints, pad work, and Vinny Shorman’s hypnosis—culminate in a nod to combat sports’ mental resilience, ending with Schilling’s Ferrari 458 Italia sponsorship and Rogan’s Miami Vice nostalgia, underscoring how modern athletes blend discipline with luxury. [Automatically generated summary]
But, you know, people do stuff like that, and they don't even know why they're doing it.
They're doing it to get a reaction, or they're doing it because they're upset, and they're like, why is this fucking Joe Schilling guy on TV this piece of shit?
Or I'll get like a message like, I was in a bad mood, I said something really bad about you a couple months ago online, I'm really sorry, can you unblock me now?
But I think, you know, if someone is upset at you because they don't like, you know, a painting that you did or they don't like a song that you made, that's one thing.
But a fight is so emotional and so personal and it's so, the consequences are so much different than any other endeavor.
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Even if you lose a game, LeBron James, you fucking suck.
You know, in a fight, it's the highest consequences possible.
There's no higher consequences other than war.
There's no higher consequences as far as, like, how it feels to lose or what it feels like.
To hear people talk shit about you, about your performance.
And that's one of the reasons why they do it.
Like, they know.
They know it sucks.
And they know it's not them.
I have a theory about that, man.
I think one of the reasons why people attack people, like, when something goes wrong in their life, like a Charlie Sheen thing or something like that, is that they know that that could happen to them, but it's not happening to them right now.
So they feel like, well, fuck him, man.
Go after him.
You know, they have this...
They understand that they would be equally vulnerable and they feel that little opening.
Did you ever see that HBO, was it 24-7 with Floyd Mayweather, where he's eating a cheeseburger with his friend, and some guy, some fucking fat, doughy cunt is yelling at him how he's afraid to fight Manny Pacquiao?
Like, you're talking to arguably the best boxer that's ever lived.
49-0, but really he's only been rocked maybe twice in his whole fucking career.
You might think his style's boring, but the fucking guy has done it.
I mean, he just did it.
And he's talking to some Doughy shithead, some flapping jaw, dumb cunt, who's giving him a hard time about fighting Manny Pacquiao, who he then went shut out a couple months later.
But it's those people that aren't doing anything, those are the ones that are gonna yell something like that out.
Those are people that, they don't have anything to gain or to lose.
But I think that that's just, you know, there's this broad range of people.
There's going to be winners and there's going to be losers.
And there's going to be people that take risks.
There's going to be people that don't ever take risks.
And they just, they live their life, this sad, muted experience with no risks, no fun, and no rewards.
They just never, they never get to shine.
You know and a guy like you I Mean you fucking take some big-ass risks with your life and you have some big shining moments You know like the the fourth round kale of Simon Marcus, you know like you don't get those moments unless Sometimes those moments are turned on you.
It's just there's no other way like the way you do it There's no other way.
I mean sometimes you the hammer sometimes you the nail I am proud as hell of that, you know what I mean?
And if you have that attitude and you press forward with that attitude, I know that you don't like losing, but if you can deal with it, it makes all the other stuff so much easier because you can get right back on the horse.
And you've done that already.
You have the experience of getting back on the horse.
If you watched the old K1 fights, the only rule they'd say, come out, touch clothes, come out, swing, or whatever, and it was like, no spinning back fist.
Yeah, they're not big on elbows in Japan because pride didn't allow elbows either Which is crazy because they allowed stomps and soccer kicks, but they didn't allow elbows on the ground So K1 came up with that rule set, and the idea behind it, I guess, was to make the fights more entertaining.
Because you wouldn't be able to clinch, and you'd be forced to fight it out.
And I think, you know, Dana White had a really good point.
We were talking about this once, and I was trying to get him to buy K1. You know, I was like, look, man, these guys, they're going under.
Like, kickboxing...
This high-level kickboxing, whether it's Glory or it's Showtime or any of these big organizations, when you look at the high-level talent in kickboxing, that, to me, is some of the most exciting shit to watch in all combat sports.
When I watch a fight like your fight this past weekend, or the tournament, or the Simon Marcus fight, or your fight with Artem Levin...
These are crazy, chaotic fights.
I mean, that's what people love, I think, potentially the most about MMA. Obviously, you know, I'm a big fan of jiu-jitsu as well, and I love when fights go to the ground, and I love when guys win by submission, but...
Man, I mean you want to talk about just pure excitement.
Kickboxing is one of the most exciting sports on the planet, but Dana White's point was it got fucked in America by that goddamn PKA karate that used to be on ESPN where you would watch these guys throw these bullshit ass fake kicks where they had to get in like X amount of kicks per round so they would like throw these flippy fake stupid kicks and then they would have just really shitty sloppy boxing.
There's karate guys, and there are martial arts guys in general, and they're building this, trying to make this full contact thing.
And there was all these boxers that were going there and just beating the fuck out of everybody.
They're like, okay, okay, okay.
You have to throw seven kicks before you can, you have to throw seven kicks per round just to keep it from, you know, turning into just straight boxing matches.
But if you look at the level that you're seeing now today in high-level kickboxing in comparison to them, like the Nikki Holtzkins and the Joe Valtellini and the Raymond Daniels and you, there's no comparison.
The level is so high today.
It's much higher today.
And I feel like the public is just, for whatever reason, they haven't tuned into it yet.
To me, it's the most exciting thing that most people don't know about.
Yeah, the setup of the ring in the cage is, you know, Coker really likes it for the fans that are there that they can watch both at the same time.
You know, I think the seating arrangements get weird or whatnot, but from a marketing perspective to get exactly what we were talking about, America, to pay attention to kickboxing so that we can build this sport, you got all these people that tuned in to watch Rampage.
How many keyboard warriors were telling Forrest Griffin how sloppy he looked that night and Stephan Bonner was a chode or whatever the fuck they would say.
If you don't like actually watching your wife get guerrilla fucked by some greater...
First of all, you gotta find a dude to fuck your wife that you can't kick his ass.
That's not like a regular guy, Joe Schilling.
So this is a different sort of scenario.
A real cuck is supposed to be like a feeble person who lets some fucking Lawrence Taylor type dude come into his bedroom and fuck the shit out of his little white wife.
I mean, because this cuck one, they're using it so often, even when it's not really applicable, and they're doing it because it's a new one.
Like, we got a new one!
Yes!
Like, it's not like, this makes sense, let me call him a faggot.
This makes sense, let me call him a pussy.
No, it's like, we got this word, let's just throw it around until it's almost like they found a new word, and they're just throwing it around until it's useless.
And then she starts looking up cuck, and she finds cuck porn, and she gets excited, and she thinks, my husband wants a guy to fuck me in front of him.
I know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna set some shit up.
And then she goes on Craigslist, finds some dude, and she thinks, you know, she's fulfilling a fantasy, tries to spice up the relationship, and suicide.
Yeah, it used to be like you could live in some weird town in Kentucky and you would never find out about the goth people or the furries or any of the weird shit out there, but now you find out.
Cosplay.
Who the fuck's gonna find out about cosplay in West Virginia?
And it's also not being honest about what the fuck's going on.
You know, like, when something happens, we have to be real sensitive to who we insult.
Post, like, attacks.
Like, with this shit that was going on in Germany where all these women were getting raped during New Year's Eve because of all these Islamic refugees that they had come in from Syria.
I mean, it's just, that's just the way it is.
People are coming from a completely different culture.
In their culture, women are much more suppressed.
They come over to this country, Germany, where women are westernized.
They're free, and they're wearing skirts, and their tits are hanging out.
They're dressed normal, and they're getting attacked.
And so, what does the fucking mayor of, what was it, Berlin, tell them?
Stay away from men and dress different.
Stay an arm's length away from men and dress more conservatively.
Like, literally!
This fucking...
These people are so sensitive and worried that they're gonna hurt someone's feelings or they're gonna be called Islamophobic or racist in some way that they're telling women who've done nothing wrong that they should dress differently because they've unfortunately let these people in from another culture that think about things differently.
The word cuck is most commonly used on Twitter to describe anti-white males.
While it was originally formed with the original meaning of cuck...
Cuck hold.
The use of the word cuck does not necessarily denote a sexual connotation.
Wow, it's morphing.
The language is evolving before our eyes.
Cucks do not care about Islamic countries throwing gays off buildings or hanging them as much as the cake baker who is Christian and won't serve gay wedding customers.
Oh, that's interesting.
Cucks give a free pass to anyone who criticizes them for fear of looking racist or homophobic.
Well, so that lady in Germany is a cuck.
The word originated from white nationalist vocabulary, but it's still widely used by all.
Okay, but that...
So, but they took cuckold and turned it into this new thing.
I think it's more about the Thai culture and that was like the...
Siam warrior days when they were going to war they had that kind of thing and the monk on that they wear when they walk out for the thing we would wear they would wear that around they wouldn't take that off like you know now they would pull it down and I wear it around their neck like a necklace when they would fight and go to war really but it's still the same thing it's like a cloth that's been blessed it might be your your mother's shirt or something like special and you're taking that with you to battle you would never would never take that off and years and years ago No shit.
One of the most influential countries ever, if you really take into consideration, like, what they've contributed to overall combat sports, Thailand is one of the most influential countries ever.
Next to Brazil.
Well, I guess Japan, because...
That's the first and foremost because the Japanese even taught jujitsu to Elio Gracie and Carlos Gracie and then it became Brazilian jujitsu, but Brazil is responsible for a massive amount of evolution of submission fighting, but other than that you got I guess Western wrestling, you know, but that's Russia.
That's a lot of countries where you start talking about wrestling.
You got kung fu, which was huge and a huge martial art.
It's not used as predominantly in MMA. So, like, MMA makes the sport, you know, your...
You're talking about Brazil and what it's done for the sport.
Well, that's the sport style of it.
Kung Fu was a huge martial art from China and Judo and Karate.
Before there was guns and bombs and cucks everywhere, there was Vikings who had fucking swords that went across the globe and fucking raped and pillaged and dominated people.
Humans...
Millions of years, however many years ago it was, you know, they were animals.
Yeah, there's Bando, you know, that's from Burma too, right?
It's just amazing the style that the Thais use as far as the clinching, the knees in the clinch, and the kicks and elbows in the clinch, and then leg kicks.
They really revolutionized stand-up striking, certainly in MMA. One of the most important aspects of MMA. And, you know, some guys just become so proficient at it.
It's interesting when you watch pure Thai boxing, like Yotsin Klai, or like really high-level Thai guys.
You watch it, you're like, wow, this is like a totally different way of doing it.
Like, they have a very specific type of style.
And you watch the...
When you see the high-level guys come over and fight in the U.S., it's really interesting how successful they are.
Yeah, I mean, you got guys with 200 fights that were trained by guys with 200 fights that were trained by guys with 200 fights that were trained with guys by 200 fights, you know, so it's...
You know, and they start when they're seven years old and that's this their way of life and their culture and their, you know Muay Thai is like in their blood and in their DNA and their You know, I have 90 fights somewhere on that 90 fights like man.
Yeah, he's another guy who paid the price physically.
His craziness and his madness in his pursuit, because he would talk about on the podcast how he would just shoot cortisone into his joints and his shins and just numb everything up.
And lidocaine, he'd shoot lidocaine into his shins.
I tore My MCL ripped my MCL like detached it from my shin and then that allowed my knee and I tore my ACL in half and then I partially tore my LCL, so there's like four tenons and you hold your knee like two of them were completely torn and then one of them was like pretty fucking close to being completely torn.
I took a fight on short notice and in Vegas we fought a Chinese guy and it was like the San Shao I didn't even know what San Shao was they were like they told me the rules like five minutes before the fight in the back backstage and I was throwing it went to throw a knee and as I was like standing on one foot and As I was standing on one foot, throwing the knee, he kicked right under my knee, and it shifted so hard that it just ripped my...
Dr. Mora in Orange, City of Orange, did an amazing job.
And he fought with the insurance company for me because they didn't want to do the cadaver thing.
What they do is they'll actually cut a sliver out of your patella or your hamstring or your patella tendon, which is the big fat tendon that goes down the front of your knee.
What they're finding with stem cells is that it can take on The form, especially if they're doing it from women's placenta, like a woman who gets a cesarean section, they take a young girl who's getting a cesarean section, they take her placenta, and they take the stem cells out of that, and they can inject it into various areas of your body, and it can become anything.
It can become a tendon, it could become a ligament, it could repair torn muscles.
It's really interesting what they're able to do.
But there's also some danger, apparently, especially if you go to Mexico.
Some dude went to a bunch of different places.
I think he went to like six different places to get stem cells because he had a back problem.
He started growing some weird tumor in his back that was like pressing on his spine and when they cut the tumor out they realized it was not his tissue that it was like someone else's tissue was growing in his body Like, somebody...
And then I had this woman on who's a doctor, Dr. Rhonda Patrick.
She's a clinical researcher, and she was talking about the dangers of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.
They cause high blood pressure, they can cause strokes in some people, especially when you're using them on a daily basis.
She's like, there's a lot of people that are using non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, and actually there's a fucked up loop that's going on, and this is the loop.
When you take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, it actually causes inflammation because it fucks with the gut flora in your body, especially if you take it on a regular basis, which in turn causes inflammation, which you're taking non-steroidal anti-inflammatories to deal with the inflammation.
So the pills that you're taking to deal with joint pain sometimes are causing joint pain.
And that's with my friend Cam Haynes.
He was running a half a marathon every day.
He still is.
Because he's gearing up for this Bigfoot 200 that's in August.
Well, see, commentating is interesting because being someone who's done it before, there are things that you see on television when you're watching it.
Honestly, the best view in the house is your house.
That's the best view.
When you're watching fights, because when you're watching kickboxing or whether you're watching MMA... When you're watching on television, you're seeing it, like, inside the cage and inside the ring, and you're seeing it from the right angle.
Like, there's a lot of times where I'm watching a fight, first of all, I have the best seat in the house.
You can't get any better.
I'm touching the actual ground that the people are fighting on.
It's in front of me.
There's a table, and then right in front of that, I can reach up and I can touch the cage, okay?
And when the fight is playing in front of me, it's like I'm looking up, and then I'm looking down at the screen.
I'm looking up, and then I'm looking down at the screen.
And sometimes I have to do commentary when I'm down at the screen.
But I want to watch the actual action playing out.
And when that is going on, sometimes you don't see everything.
But I feel like there's some subtleties that you see when you're looking at a guy.
There's some things that you see in movement where your brain...
I've got to think that all the years of...
Watching martial arts and doing martial arts my brains chunked a bunch of information and I see Certain traits and I see trends and I see things and you see them when you're actually looking at the person's body better than you do if you're looking at a monitor a video representation of it but Like, there's sometimes the ref's in the way, and I don't see what's going on.
Like, the ref's here, and they're right behind the ref, and so I might miss something.
Or their back is to me, and they get hit with an uppercut, and you don't see what they get hit with.
There's a lot of times you miss a few things.
So, taking that into consideration...
I know that these guys were sitting ringside and they're watching it through the ropes and they're seeing it live and sometimes you don't catch anything.
But I did think that the commentary was a little one-sided.
And I did think that there was a lot of things that you were doing that they weren't either picking up on or they weren't giving you credit for.
And in all fairness, you told me about that before I saw the fight.
And so I saw the fight and I was watching.
I was like, wow, this is an interesting way they're talking about this fight.
You were right.
I mean, you put it in my head and then I watched it.
But I tried to be as objective as possible.
But yeah, I didn't think they were giving you credit for a lot of the shit you were doing.
They were definitely painting you out to be, but that's also, in their defense, I mean, they're trying to develop personalities for people to tune into.
You know, here's this guy who comes out with fucking prison pants on, with L.A. on them.
I mean, why develop or promote the fact that he was the first American to ever win a global combat tournament, or a three-time world champion, or holds the record for the fastest knockout in combat sports?
You know, why promote any of those accomplishments?
When you're in it, you don't realize what you've actually done, but what I think I've been a part of with Can't Stop Crazy for the sport and the growth in the sport here in this country, from Lion Fight to Glory to now Bellator Kickboxing and being where I am...
The weight is on my shoulders, so to speak, with pushing this new brand and showing high-level kickboxing to the world and putting on exciting fights is proud.
I'm telling you, I think that there's a real possibility that the inflammation that's being caused by taking this stuff and fucking with your gut flora is actually making your joints hurt even more than they would have normally.
Essentially, it's a more potent form of fish oil or a more bioavailable, a really good bioavailable form, I should say, because even regular fish oil is excellent.
This total gut health is different probiotics and enzymes that is really good for digesting food, the enzymes, and also absorbing nutrients through your food with the enzymes.
They even tell people that are on SSRIs to not take 5-HTP. What's SSRI? Serotonin uptake re-inhibitors.
Antidepressants.
You know, things like...
Tell them not to take 5-HTP? They tell them not to take it, because then you can get what's called serotonin syndrome, where your body has too much serotonin in it.
Sort of like when guys are on steroids and they get...
Same thing.
It's like your body's like, what is all this fucking serotonin doing in here?
It creates an imbalance.
They just don't work with each other well.
Neil Brennan, a friend of mine who's a comic, was the first guy that I ever met that was on 5-HTP. And then when he got on SSRIs, they told him to get off the 5-HTP. Like, there's too much going on here.
Yeah, that's the intelligent approach, and that's the approach that a lot of trainers are using now, is they're giving you enough work so that your body improves and recovers, but not so much that your body can't improve.
So this old stupid idea that a lot of us have, and I used to have, you gotta get out of there like you fucking, you can barely walk.
Well, I've been really into that a lot lately because I started listening to Pavel Tatsulin.
He's the guy that brought kettlebells to America.
Badass Russian dude and he has some really interesting ideas about strength and conditioning and one of the things that's that he said that I think is most important is That the way you're training and especially training with kettlebells in particular What you what you're trying to do is you're trying to give your body work so that your body feels like Like,
it can recover and you slowly build upon these things and think of them as a skill.
Like, he's like, strength is a skill.
And you're not trying to leave yourself completely exhausted and blown out and all your joints are fried and all your muscles are just rubber.
Like you're trying to what he calls grease the groove, which means like slowly build this up and do it like instead instead of sets of like 25 reps like CrossFit style.
He's like everything more than five reps is bullshit.
He's like everything more than five reps is bodybuilding.
He's like you should be doing like Heavyweight, five reps.
And if you can do ten reps, do five.
You don't need to work to failure.
He doesn't believe in working to failure.
I'm doing a bad job of explaining his philosophies, but Tim Ferriss had two podcasts with him where you can listen to it.
I think that's kind of similar to the way Nick, at least the way that I see Nick's training.
It's like trying to send a neurological signal to my body to grow or to change or to move.
I don't need to destroy it to do that.
I don't need to break down my muscle and it has to rebuild itself.
It's like altitude training.
When you go to high altitude, your body has...
Picks up a signal that there's not enough oxygen in this air, I need to make more red blood cells.
So your body sends a neurological signal to create more red blood cells from your blood marrow or whatever.
So your body's like a computer and you're just trying to get, okay, I want to be a little faster, I want to be a little whatever, and I'm doing enough work to send that signal to make my body adapt.
You know what I mean?
As opposed to, I want to be faster, so I'm going to just destroy my legs until I can't walk for a week, and then it's going to build back faster.
The right way to do it really is to, like, and I've been getting great results with Pavel's methods with doing lighter, or not lighter weights, but Lower reps.
Lower reps and, like, if I could do eight or nine reps, I do five.
I do five and I end it there.
And, like, when I'm done, I feel good.
Like, I'm done with my workout.
I know I put in, you know, 45 minutes or more of hard work, but I don't feel, like, broken down.
Whereas before, when I was, like, sort of structuring it off of my own ideas, I would just have these fucking brutal workouts where I would just...
Yeah, and then now your serotonin levels, by the time you're three days in, I'm like, fuck, I need some new mood, because I don't feel like I want to do this shit anymore, and you're not going to perform as well, and you're not going to, you know...
Yeah, you can get to the point where your body is just, it doesn't matter.
Stimulants, whatever.
You just toast.
Yeah, there's a lot of science to athletics, to sports training with athletes today that just didn't exist 10, 20 years ago, and take advantage of that.
It's about how much corn we eat and how corn is subsidized, how they pay people to grow corn.
The government pays farmers to grow corn.
If the government didn't subsidize corn production in this company, corn agriculture would fucking collapse.
There's so many of these people that are reliant, these agricultural farms that are growing corn, reliant on government subsidies in order to stay afloat.
It's weird, and corn's in everything.
I was having beef jerky the other day, and my wife was reading the ingredients.
Well, it must have something to do with the flavoring or something to do with the sauce that they, you know, they marinate them in teriyaki or whatever the fuck they do when they make it.
Yeah, I had two back-to-back fights anyway, and I'm looking forward to having a little time off, relaxing a little bit, getting my mind wrapped around what happened, why it happened, where I go from here.
No, I'm sure I'll be up in Stockton a lot, hoping Nate get ready for his fight with Connor now.
It's always good to work with those guys.
I want to get some boxing rounds in with Richard Perez while I'm up there.
Nice.
Not a lot, you know.
I think my team is really solid, and I think that's where I need to be.
I was at American Top Team before, well, when Saki Koff knocked me out the first time, I was at American Top Team working on my wrestling and stuff, and it was a cool experience.
I don't think it was the best experience for me.
Just being away from my sports system and my coaches and my team, and I think that was a mistake to jump ship, so to speak, and go train someplace else.
Yeah, it seems to me that there's a lot of comforts of home that help relax you and just being in the same environment all the time is probably real good for you in terms of like your comfort level, recovery, and being in your own home.
Yeah, and I think just your coaches and being with somebody that's trained you for 10 years and he knows what you're thinking, you know what he thinks.
He knows how you are, what you need to hear, how hard to work you, things like that, you know?
But have you had much experience besides American Top Team working with different kickboxing trainers or is there anybody that you would really enjoy working with?
He's another guy I think he could probably help you.
He knows a lot of shit.
I just think, you know, for a guy like you at your level, like any little variables that you could pick up from any of these guys is probably a good thing.
There's just so much good knowledge.
And Southern California in particular is such an amazing place for just all martial arts.
I mean, we're like in one of the...
I mean, as far as the United States, this is one of the meccas.
No, he is a fucking amazing dude and so important for the growth and development of MMA. I mean, what he's done with American Top Team and putting together this world-class facility.
By the way, spending millions of dollars to do it.
Just throwing money at that and having guys take advantage of that.
And he had guys rip him off.
He had a lot of really shitty things happen.
And then when the Black Zillions came around, a lot of guys bailed because that guy paid them.
He paid people, like, come on over to me, I'll give you money.
And, you know, he just sort of poached a bunch of people, allegedly, according to Dan.
Well, sure, and there's also injuries you get in the second and third round that you don't even know what...
You felt your knee pop, you're not exactly sure what it is, and you're still standing on it and everything seems fine, and then you throw a kick and it just gives out.
There's that.
But the point is, Cote is a stud.
He's a tough fucking guy.
And to have Cowboy work him like that, I was like, woo!
I want to not relax like, oh, I'm going to get doing shots, you know what I mean?
Cowboy and I were talking about that, too.
It's like...
They have made fight week so stressful now for everyone and you get so mentally just stressed out and you can't do this and you can't do that and you gotta do these interviews and like fight week used to be our whole camp you know when I first started it was you want to fight on Saturday and it's like Monday and like okay I'm training all week and you fought on Saturday you know and uh you know I think that uh What's so stressful about it?
If you sat at home and didn't eat, you know, and you're already dieting, you sat at home, the only thing that you can think of is on Saturday night, this guy's gonna try and kill me and blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like it eats you up and like stresses you the fuck out.
Yeah, if they're not helpful, you know what I mean?
They can't change, you know what I mean?
I don't overanalyze, you know?
I used to watch my fight, my opponents a million times, you know, before I fought.
Now it's like, I'll watch them fight maybe once or twice to see if there's anything that jumps out at me that would look, you know, like he does this sometimes, but other than that, try not to overanalyze it and make it in there and just do it.
And you've, you know, is cowboy drinking a beer during fight week gonna change what his body, what he's done to train for the last 12 years of his life?
He's not gonna, you know, perform because he had that beer.
Like, I don't think so.
I think being relaxed and being confident and comfortable and then getting in there and handling business that night.
So this one, when you do it, you almost, like, you pull back.
Like, you pull back and you'll come up and you'll be out of...
This probably sounds so weird to people that don't get it, but fuck them.
You're straight up into the sky.
It feels like you're floating to me.
I know what it feels like to fly based off of that.
And you go up, up, up, up, and you're looking at your life in a timeline.
Think about a time when you're as far back as you can possibly remember, and you will tap into some shit from your childhood that you didn't even know that you even remembered.
You know what I mean?
Some really far out stuff.
And it'll change a lot of things.
If you think about it, Everything that's ever happened to your whole life, everything you've ever seen, thought, heard, where did that information go?
It didn't fall out of your head.
It's there.
You just can't access it anymore.
You have a hard time accessing it.
And with these hypnosis things, you have the opportunity to still tap into that or get better at tapping into that and accessing that information.
And Vinny, one day, he said, I want to try this Tylenol therapy on you if you're into it.
I'm like, yeah.
And he's like, what is he going to do?
He's like, I don't know.
We're just going to see if you like this thing.
Had no clue what it was going to do.
And had me think of all these times in my life.
And When I felt really proud, when I felt really afraid, when I felt really scared, when I felt really strong, when I felt really...
All these emotions.
It was about 45 minutes.
Every single one of the emotions was some other time with my dad.
It was weird.
When we got done with the session, I couldn't even tap into that hatred that I had for my dad anymore.
I fucking hated him.
When I finally had cancer, I was like, I don't give a shit.
Fuck him.
After that session, I didn't have that I used to be able to look in the mirror and think about my dad in my eyes.
We were ready to be so fucking mad.
I used to fight when I was...
I used to do a lot of things that were based off of shoving up my dad's ass.
I'm going to show him.
Not necessarily fighting that person, like, not pretending it's my dad, but it was more like, I'm gonna, you know, I had a lot of motivation for my dad.
And, uh, yeah, when the session was over, I had, I couldn't even tap into that.
I was able to go, and I decided to go and start a new relationship with my dad.
And it wasn't like, I forgive you, but say you're sorry.
And, you know, it was like, I just didn't give a fuck anymore.
Like, it wasn't worth it.
And, um, People that really knew me really well could just see me differently.
There was like this chip that I had carried around on my shoulder that wasn't there anymore.
The idea of timeline therapy, the idea of thinking about your life and being able to separate yourself like who you are right now and go back and look at all these moments in your life and what they meant to you and how you're carrying that around today.
There's a video of him, some guy was working at the front desk of a hotel, and I don't know what the fuck he said, but Bada didn't like it, so he went behind the counter and smacked him in his head.
I don't think being a traveler, from what I know about, well, I don't really the fuck do I know, but I don't think that it's about a money thing, because I think a lot of those people have money and flashy stuff and whatever.
Well, it's just interesting to watch it all play out on YouTube, because you might have heard about all this stuff before, or you hear about it in stories and legends, but I think our age is the first age that's ever had a chance to watch these guys challenge each other.
I'm calling you out!
You're a fucking bag of shite.
And there's a ton of them online.
They're really interesting to watch.
Because you're getting a peek into, like, a very sensitive culture.
Sensitive in that, like, there's not...
They don't have...
There's not a lot of history behind it in terms of documented culture, and they could go away.
That's something that might not be here a hundred years from now.
We might be watching a type of people or a group of people that are living a certain way that things might change in the next hundred years and they might integrate back into society.
These fucking people...
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The whole world already knows that.
And you're going around the place Barney telling people you're the king.
You're not going to burger king, Barney.
How are you the king, for God's sake?
You're never going to fight in your whole life.
She's a cowly, good-blood woman with four bellies.
I just think it's so interesting to see all this stuff on YouTube because we have a view into this culture that you never would have gotten this before.
You would have heard, you know, Patti O'Brien called out Mickey O'Fuckface and they met in the swamps and duked it out.
But seeing this...
And again, I mean, you know, I would like them to be able to keep their way of life and all that.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to do this, but I'm saying that it's possible that that might not be there in 50 years.
These people, they don't really have a country.
They don't have a city.
So it's kind of delicate.
Their existence is fairly delicate.
It's not like you're talking about people like, oh, these are guys that live in Detroit, and Detroit's always had this sort of gypsy community.
No.
No, they fucking travel around.
And a lot of places we travel, people don't want them there.
I have friends who are from London and they had a house that is in some suburb.
I don't know what they call it in England.
I don't think they call it a suburb in the country.
They had this house and these travelers moved next to their house.
There was like a lot next to their house.
They just set up shop, party till fucking four o'clock in the morning, threw garbage in the street and nobody could do shit.
They're all scared to say anything.
Everyone's scared to say anything and you can't There's no laws.
There's no law against what they're doing.
Because you can't discriminate against these travelers.
So it's this weird situation where people are trying to sell their houses.
Nobody wants to buy it.
Property values crash.
And these proper English people that I'm friends with were trying to explain the terrors of these people moving next door.
And I'm chuckling.
Oh, your second house.
Oh, no.
What are you going to do?
These people just move next door and they're fucking partying.
Can you imagine if you're like one of those pinkies out, teetotaler type English people who are super proper, and these motherfuckers moved next door, started bloodying each other up, having bonfires, I don't know, man.
It's like you're on wheels and you can do it in place or you can do it you could actually race people in it and it's a You race people you can race in it Can you find it Jamie no?
What I'm looking at, folks, it's sort of like a super advanced version of an ab wheel, but you have one on your feet and one on your hands, and you're pushing forward with the one on your hands, where it's almost like a cart, and then you're pulling the ab wheel that's connected to your feet forward and pushing...
Okay, so it's got resistance bands, so you push the forward cart, and the resistance bands are resisting you as you push forward, and then you pull your legs forward.
You could be running, you could be hitting pads with it.
I'll do bag work as hard as you can for 20 seconds and then 10 seconds off.
If you think about that, that's how a fight is anyway.
You have a 20 second burst and you have 10 seconds of getting your shit together and a 20 second burst.
I do that a lot.
Lately I've been doing a lot more just pad work and speed work and using a double in bag a lot.
For a long time I was trying to be very physical and outworking the other person and being more aggressive and trying to get more to speed and technique than trying to outwork people.
Yeah, they gave me a Ferrari for like a week till the fight, and then gave it back, went to the fight, and then I got a brand new Z06 outside right now.
You know, I had a fucking Ferrari Testarossa poster on my wall as a child.
You know what I mean?
Talk about bucket list shit.
That's it right there.
When that...
When that InFocus piece came out and they texted it to me, I was driving in the Ferrari and just fucking...
When they gave me that, it was like a good two hours where I was just like, ah!
Fucking losing my shit, right?
But I'm driving in the Ferrari and I get a text and it was the Bellator social media team sends me that video and I'm watching this video of how far I've come and what I've done for the sport and That Can't Stop Crazy and Focus piece in the driver's seat of a Ferrari.