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May 30, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - May 29, 2016
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brendan schaub
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
Five, four, three, two...
Oh, shit!
We're back!
Goddamn!
My all-time favorite kind of podcast.
Fight Companions.
Eddie, motherfucking bravos in the house.
eddie bravo
Thank you for having me.
joe rogan
Brendan, motherfucking kid keto shop.
He's got a kid keto t-shirt on.
I told the dude to make a kid keto t-shirt.
He fucking jumps on that shit.
This motherfucker is an entrepreneur.
brendan schaub
What is that?
The keto kid stuff?
eddie bravo
What is that?
joe rogan
Ketogenic.
What's that?
bryan callen
The diet?
joe rogan
Are you on the diet too?
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, I've been on it for a while.
eddie bravo
Before him?
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
He got me on it.
I'm obsessed with it.
Last night I was in Phoenix walking by a restaurant.
This girl, maybe 18, goes, Shab, I'm a keto kid!
I'm a keto kid!
I'm with a bunch of older dudes.
Boxing dudes are like, what the fuck is she talking about?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's so funny, man.
eddie bravo
I just saw that documentary, Sugar Coated.
Have you seen it?
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
There's another one called That Sugar Movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen That Sugar Movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
eddie bravo
Jesus fucking Christ.
joe rogan
Sugar's terrible.
eddie bravo
I'm Mr. Conspiracy Theory here.
I had no idea it was right in front of my fucking face.
It's on everyone's table.
joe rogan
It's not a conspiracy.
You know what it is, man?
It's a drug.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
And people are addicted to it, and it's in everything.
eddie bravo
No, but what I'm talking about is there was a conspiracy to pay off Harvard scientists and professors.
joe rogan
Oh, here we go.
eddie bravo
To keep sugar, according to that movie, unless that movie's bullshit.
joe rogan
No, no, I'm sure it was.
eddie bravo
This is what the movie's talking about.
The movie's talking about the Sugar Association, they didn't want it to be labeled for what it really was, an addictive toxin.
They wanted to keep it, it ain't that bad in moderation, it ain't that bad, it makes things taste sweet, it's about love.
So they paid, according to this documentary, they paid off hard, you know, because everyone's like, I'm science, I'm science this, I'm science that.
So it's beautiful when people do that because then all you do is buy off all the scientists and you got everybody.
brendan schaub
I love some sugar though, man.
joe rogan
Well, everybody loves sugar.
That's the thing about it.
It tastes awesome.
I mean, it's not a drug that works because the effects aren't pleasurable.
Sugar is very pleasurable.
brendan schaub
But it also has its benefits too, post-workout, stuff like that.
Certain athletes need that stuff, so it's different than a lot of other drugs.
joe rogan
Well, there's arguments against that.
There's arguments against that.
brendan schaub
I'd say there's more for it.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
eddie bravo
I don't know about that.
The conspiracy, Brendan, is about that, exactly.
I always thought when people ask me about sugar, yeah, it's bad for you, but as long as you don't get too crazy with it, and you don't have nothing to worry about, you're not fat.
Only fat people have something to worry about.
But according to this documentary, people that are in shape are getting adult-onset diabetes because they think that.
Apparently, according to this doc, one Coke a day...
joe rogan
Increases your chances for diabetes by 30% If that shit's true, it's a lot of coke Yeah, one Coke a day is some insane amount of sugar.
You're only supposed to have 25 in a day.
That's including fruit, lactose.
You're only supposed to get sugar in no more than 25 grams a day.
Virtually nobody deals with it.
brendan schaub
As a kid, I was balls deep.
200 grams a day at least.
eddie bravo
That's what it's about.
joe rogan
Let me bring it back to the post-workout shit, because Mark Sisson was talking about actual gains, that your body has more gains if you wait up to an hour after working out before you supplement, before you take anything, before you're taking any food.
brendan schaub
And I've started doing it.
joe rogan
And he said that there's a reaction that your body has where it produces more hormones, because your body's just had this brutal workout.
And your body hasn't had a replenishment.
So because it hasn't had a replenishment, I guess, during that time period, if you replenish, I think the science is, or according to him, I don't know what studies he's based on.
brendan schaub
He's a smart dude though.
joe rogan
He's a very smart dude.
brendan schaub
I'll take his word.
joe rogan
Yeah, that it's better to do it that way.
You get more results hormonally.
Yeah, it slows it down.
Most people are on slightly varied diets and slightly varied sleep schedules, so it's super hard to say, like, if a guy didn't do it that way, how much of a gain he would make.
brendan schaub
I had some silly bitch tell me forever to drink chocolate milk.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be the craze for a long time.
That was supposed to be the craze.
It's a good excuse to drink chocolate milk.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah it was.
Hell yeah it was.
Some Nestle Quick.
joe rogan
So with a fight that's about to start, Bruce Buffer looking slick as always, is Josh Berkman vs.
Paul Felder.
This is a fucking amazing fight.
unidentified
Great fight.
joe rogan
First of all, Josh Berkman has fought as high as 205. Josh Berkman fought Jeremy Horn one day, and Jeremy Horn choked him out and spit on him.
brendan schaub
It's aggressive.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
They must have said some really dark shit to each other before that fight.
brendan schaub
That's aggressive.
joe rogan
But Josh Berkman is a bad motherfucker, dude.
And at 155, he's so goddamn strong.
If he can do it and do it successfully, he's a bully at this weight.
He's just a tough, tough motherfucker.
And he's slick.
But this Paul Felder kid can crack a lot.
brendan schaub
He has more tools, I feel like.
joe rogan
He also has more tools, I think.
Standing, he does, but Berkman is down, dude.
That guy wins bombs.
brendan schaub
Berkman's more game, but I feel like the game, it's evolving fast, and Felder's more evolved, if that makes sense.
And younger, and Les Miles.
joe rogan
Well, what I like about this, Les Miles for sure, but what I like about this fight is it's essentially an old, real, fucking, crafty veteran in Berkman who's a dog.
I mean, he's a fucking bulldog.
brendan schaub
Game as they come.
joe rogan
Game as they come.
Hector Lombard?
Yeah.
Fuck yeah, man.
He shot Hector Lombard down at one point.
brendan schaub
Lombard was on juice, too!
joe rogan
Yeah, and Lombard was juiced up.
And, you know, Lombard kept swinging at him, and Berkman kept moving, but Berkman was cracking him a little.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it got Lombard to a point where Lombard slowed down his attack because he kind of knew that he wasn't going to take Berkman out, and he was going to have to do the long haul.
brendan schaub
I got Feldman TKO. Do we have to sink?
joe rogan
Man.
Yeah, it's 4.50 right now.
4.48, 4.47.
First round, Paul Felder, Josh Berkman.
A fight that I've been really looking to fight.
I feel like this whole card is totally under the radar.
I mean, Henan Barat was fighting Jeremy Stephens in the fucking co-main.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
joe rogan
That's the co-main.
brendan schaub
I think it's more, you know, there's no, like, for the average fan, there's no huge draws.
But as far as Joe Silva, and Joe Silva, who's the other dude who does the matchups?
Sean Shelby?
joe rogan
Sean Shelby.
brendan schaub
Bro, they got their money's worth.
You know what I'm saying?
They paid them exactly what they should do because these matchups, these aren't matchups that you can go, alright, five versus six, two versus three.
They're amazing.
To me, it's the best card of the year.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure Sean handles the matchups for the lighter weight fighters.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
And then, I don't know what weight Silva takes over, but...
Both of them are doing a fucking awesome job.
This card shows it, though.
brendan schaub
You look at it, you're like, Jesus Christ.
Most of the matchups I wouldn't think about.
joe rogan
They just went shin to shin.
unidentified
Let's pay attention to this.
eddie bravo
That's card of the year, though?
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
I'm saying as far as matchup-wise, it's an amazing card.
joe rogan
It's a really good card.
It's way, way better than people are giving it credit for.
If this was the first UFC I ever saw, I'd be like, holy shit, what a nutty sport.
brendan schaub
I would call this UFC Just Fucking Watch.
Straight up, just watch it, man.
I know you don't know the guys, but this is going to be a great night of fights.
And if you're betting, it's going to be tough to pick, man.
For experts, try picking this card.
I'd like to see someone just go, whatever, 8 for 8. It's going to be a beast.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know what, man?
This is a sneaky fight.
Ooh, nice front kick to the body by Felder.
And Josh returns it.
Felder's got a lot of tools when it comes to stand-up.
He's real sneaky.
He does a lot of weird shit.
brendan schaub
Like Cowboy, man.
Training at the ranch.
joe rogan
Real similar.
Real similar in some ways.
But also because he's got a Taekwondo background, he throws more spinning shit than Cowboy does.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
Cowboy is like straight Muay Thai.
brendan schaub
Straight forward.
Felder has good angles.
joe rogan
A couple of times, man.
A lot of checking.
Good defensive skills here.
Felder's a fucking attacker, too, man.
He's tough as shit.
brendan schaub
Berkman went to Bellator before, remember?
Because he got cut.
joe rogan
He went to World Series of Fighting, and he choked out John Fitch.
Remember that fight?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
I do.
brendan schaub
That was a huge fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, he choked out Fitch real quick.
Fitch shot in for a single.
brendan schaub
Was that the fight when Fitch tested positive?
joe rogan
No, that was the Paul Harris fight.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
Paul Harris got that knee.
He got him, too.
Paul Harris, his fucking leg locks.
I mean, maybe Fitch was like, fuck it, I know this guy's on it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, understandable.
joe rogan
Who knows?
Did you see Pajaras get wrecked?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I did.
He got murked.
eddie bravo
He got wrecked by who?
joe rogan
He got wrecked by some Viking.
brendan schaub
Dude, fucked him up.
joe rogan
Someone named Meek?
brendan schaub
In what show?
Like 50 seconds?
joe rogan
I don't even know the name of the show, dude.
It was the show where Mayhem weighed in 20-something pounds overweight.
brendan schaub
He got murked, too.
He got submitted.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's a fatigue thing.
brendan schaub
I think it's more he doesn't want to be there.
It's like self-sabotage, need the money.
joe rogan
Mayhem's ground game is so legit.
brendan schaub
Super legit.
joe rogan
It would be real hard to tap that guy.
brendan schaub
Ferviso Verdun black belt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I've rolled with him a bunch.
He's a monster.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jason's no joke.
Remember when Jason fought Jake Shields and had his back and had a fully locked in rear naked choke and the fucking bell rang?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I believe he had a gable grip, but he had it under the chin and everything.
It was a tight, tight squeeze.
Oh, shit.
They're going to war.
brendan schaub
Oh, Berkman.
joe rogan
Berkman with some good movement here.
brendan schaub
See, but this is what Berkman wants.
Felder needs to not do this.
He's more technical.
joe rogan
Boom!
Berkman gets him on his back.
Oh, Felder's in a bad place here.
Because on the ground, Berkman's a beast.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Super fucking strong.
Again, you've got to think about Berkman has fought successfully at 170 and all the way up to like 205. Well, he gets that old man strength, too.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
He just tossed his young ass.
joe rogan
He's just a guy who's been around a long fucking time He's a smart dude too Yeah, and that Hector Lombard fight shows you how smart he is.
brendan schaub
He's never really in the pocket.
He just avoids all his counters.
joe rogan
He doesn't lose his shit.
brendan schaub
No, like the fire will be hot as fuck and he sits in there and doesn't lose control, man.
joe rogan
Exactly.
He can do what he can do.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
And he's not going to fall short psychologically.
brendan schaub
He stays in his lane, too.
He doesn't try anything too crazy.
You're not going to see a freaking stupid Chris Weidman bullshit spinning kick or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we never saw that from Weidman either.
unidentified
He did it once.
brendan schaub
Well, let's not see it ever again.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
Crazy.
It cost you the fight, son.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
The art of getting back up is...
I mean, it's so deep.
brendan schaub
The fence crawl.
eddie bravo
Some guys are really good at it.
Some guys are okay at it.
brendan schaub
You know who's the best I've ever seen?
unidentified
Who?
brendan schaub
Keith Jardine.
eddie bravo
Really?
brendan schaub
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Keith Jardine is a goddamn animal.
brendan schaub
Dude, he would always go straight to the cage and walk.
Go.
unidentified
Walk.
brendan schaub
He was such a beast.
eddie bravo
Go straight to the cage and what?
brendan schaub
Wherever you were, you had to get to the cage.
That was his thing.
And so I started doing that.
People were like, no, what are you doing?
The guy's going to pound your face.
But that was Keith's thing.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
So he was one of the first guys to figure out to use the cage to get up?
brendan schaub
That was his thing.
As soon as you get taken down, if the guy had your hips, you were scooting to get to the cage to use it to crawl up.
And he was so fucking good at it, man.
None of us could hold him down.
eddie bravo
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, Keith Jardine is a guy who doesn't get the credit he deserves in a lot of ways.
That fight with Chuck?
Remember that fight with Chuck?
brendan schaub
What a fight!
joe rogan
Lift that leg up, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Keith was real smart with the application of leg kicks, and he hit him with that big right hand.
brendan schaub
He was so awkward, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
This whole, like, orangutan, jiggy hands.
joe rogan
So awkward.
brendan schaub
Freddie Roach, orangutan style.
joe rogan
Boom.
Berkman cracked him here.
Look at this.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Side kick to the thigh.
brendan schaub
Boom!
joe rogan
Straight left.
eddie bravo
Lunging side kick.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's doing that.
A lot of guys are doing that to the legs now.
Dangerous, man.
John Jones loves doing that.
brendan schaub
Dangerous.
joe rogan
You mean for someone's knee?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Look, you see, Berkman's win these exchanges.
eddie bravo
It's more dangerous.
I'd rather have someone do that to my knee than someone's shin kick me in the head.
joe rogan
Definitely.
eddie bravo
What's more dangerous than that?
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
joe rogan
Totally good point.
brendan schaub
Neither's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the idea is that we're used to being able to tap from knee injuries.
So, you know, because of like a knee bar.
unidentified
It's a strike.
joe rogan
So when people look at a strike to a knee, we go, oh, that's not fair because you can't tap.
But, Eddie, you made the perfect point.
It's the perfect point.
eddie bravo
It's a fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, because if you kick somebody in the head, it's fucking way worse.
brendan schaub
You can't tap to that either.
Is it, though?
So let's just go over the...
So if you knock me out by head kick, I'm, what, suspended six months?
You kick me in that front knee, you blow my ACL, MCL. I can't work for a year, at least, and I probably won't come back.
joe rogan
Let's be totally honest.
How often does that happen?
eddie bravo
I've never heard of that ever happening.
joe rogan
I've never heard of it happening.
brendan schaub
It's just a new thing.
Give it time.
eddie bravo
No, it's not.
brendan schaub
It's always been legal.
It's always been legal.
unidentified
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
It's been legal, but Jon Jones is really the first guy to start doing it actively.
Oh!
joe rogan
Felder just cracked him with a good left hook.
eddie bravo
Show me the footage of guys getting kicked like that.
joe rogan
There's one fight.
There's one fight with Miguel Torres.
Miguel Torres gets oblique kicked on the knee.
This was in a legacy kickboxing fight, I think it was.
It was pretty recent, like within two years.
And Miguel Torres' knee just went fucking sideways.
It was nasty.
He screamed and fell down and got back up and kept fighting.
I don't know how the fuck he did it.
eddie bravo
That's one guy that I thought for sure would still be at the top.
brendan schaub
Miguel?
unidentified
For how long?
joe rogan
Well, this is what I was going to say.
This is what I was going to say.
Knockouts, man.
It's not just as simple as you get your ligament repaired, you do your rehab, and you're back nine months later.
You might not ever be the same guy again.
brendan schaub
Talking about a knockout?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a real knockout.
Like a real knockout.
brendan schaub
But that's what you sign up for.
You expect concussions.
Now, I don't expect to get my knee blown out in a fight.
joe rogan
But it's a part of your body.
Like, if someone can attack your head, why shouldn't they be able to attack your knee?
That seems crazy.
brendan schaub
Same reason in the NFL. Same reason in the NFL. Like, you can't attack guy low.
joe rogan
The NFL's a sport.
Yeah, that's a sport.
eddie bravo
You're not trying to knock each other out anymore.
brendan schaub
The UFC's a sport.
joe rogan
But this is a sport of fighting.
brendan schaub
With rules.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the rules are...
unidentified
With strict rules.
joe rogan
The rules are already really brutal.
Like, the idea of taking out a rule of kicking the knee when you can kick a guy in the fucking jaw face...
brendan schaub
But I can't kick him in the face if he has three points on the ground.
So there are rules.
joe rogan
So you can't say it's not a sport.
Well, honestly, I don't agree with that either.
I don't agree with that either.
You see where that UFC line is?
See where the outside logo is?
And there's the line, the inner octagon?
What I say is everything outside that inner octagon, you can't kick them in the face, because it's too close to the cage.
The only problem with kicking someone in the face when they're down is that the cage could prevent you from moving, and you could get kicked with something that you couldn't normally have prevented, so there's an obstacle.
And that obstacle is sort of artificial.
And since we can't have just an enormous basketball-sized playing field, which is really ideal.
The ideal way to do MMA is not to have any walls.
There's something stupid about having walls.
What we really should have is a large, like, football-sized arena.
unidentified
You can't have that?
joe rogan
Put a guy in and say, why not?
You have it for football.
You put a guy...
brendan schaub
22 guys on the field!
joe rogan
But that's the only way you're not having this bullshit.
See, there's nothing wrong with learning how to clinch and fight up against a cage.
It's super important because you use a cage.
But in reality, a real fight should not have anything to do with the wall you press a guy up against.
unidentified
You're talking about a fight.
brendan schaub
In a sport, you have to have a structure.
joe rogan
No, you stay in bounds.
This is your boundaries.
You have a big-ass basketball court.
brendan schaub
You know how horrible you think that would be?
You know how terrible an experience that would be?
eddie bravo
There's no walls in real fights.
joe rogan
But you wouldn't have this shit.
You wouldn't have this pressing against the wall.
That's an art form.
It is an art form, but it's an art form that's artificially created by an obstacle.
This obstacle should not be there.
You shouldn't be able to press people against it.
But no, that shouldn't be a part of fighting.
So there's water everywhere, too.
Should we bring trees in?
unidentified
Goddammit!
joe rogan
You can't do it!
eddie bravo
This is crazy!
brendan schaub
But in football, that's like saying, well, there should be no out of bounds.
You guys just run if you catch them.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Football has bounds.
They have plenty of room.
They have a large arena.
But, oh!
Oh, Felder just cracked him with the left hand.
I think fences are artificial.
And I think they should fight in large, unenclosed areas.
brendan schaub
If you hate viewership and money, you gotta do that.
I want purity.
joe rogan
I want no gloves.
No more gloves.
No more hand wraps.
No wrist tape.
eddie bravo
Start your own shit, Dave.
joe rogan
Yeah, no more.
This is nonsense.
These gloves are stupid.
These gloves only exist for people.
brendan schaub
You're out of one today, brother.
joe rogan
Only for people watching at home.
If you're a real martial artist, you would not want gloves.
Because gloves give you this artificial idea that you can hit someone as hard as you want with your hands without them exploding on you.
brendan schaub
But you have wraps underneath.
You got everything taped up and wrapped up.
joe rogan
Unless you're Gunnar Nelson.
That gangster ass motherfucker doesn't even wear wraps.
He says, go ahead, I'm just going to choke you anyway.
brendan schaub
Because he wants to grapple your ass.
joe rogan
He wants to punch you and choke you.
He's like, I like to fit in my hands.
I can feel it better.
bryan callen
I feel it in my hands.
brendan schaub
You're not getting on Fox with no...
joe rogan
No gloves.
Fuck you, no gloves.
bryan callen
I was cage-side when Feldman was getting hit by Barbossa with those kicks.
joe rogan
Felder, not Feldman.
bryan callen
Yeah, I call him Feldman, though.
unidentified
No gloves, no gloves, no ring.
bryan callen
No, I call him Feldman.
joe rogan
The first thing he says is...
My nickname is Feldman.
That's the first thing he said.
He just walked in with a bottle of wine and some fucking goat cheese.
bryan callen
It's raw milk cheese, everyone.
For good enzymes.
joe rogan
Did you get it at Whole Foods?
bryan callen
Fuck yes, I got it from Whole Foods.
joe rogan
You did, you son of a gun.
bryan callen
Spent a lot of money too.
They were like, that much?
I was like, that's right, I have a successful podcast.
And I'm friends with Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
They said you have that much.
joe rogan
Powerful cheese.
Powerful cheese.
Anyway, no gloves.
brendan schaub
You're crazy.
joe rogan
You don't wear shin pads.
How come you don't wear shin pads if you have to wear gloves?
That's stupid.
It impedes grappling.
It keeps you from getting chokes.
brendan schaub
Do you want no gloves boxing too?
joe rogan
No.
If they want to do that, that's their nonsense.
brendan schaub
It's a silly person's sport.
joe rogan
Silly.
There's no kicks.
bryan callen
You're out of line, man.
joe rogan
It's a silly person's sport.
brendan schaub
You're out of line.
You're crazy.
joe rogan
I guarantee you.
brendan schaub
I don't know what you smoked before this, but you're crazy.
joe rogan
Listen, it's not a good way to do it.
I mean, boxing is a wonderful sport.
It's a wonderful sport to watch it.
But as far as, like, fighting, it's not a good way to do it.
Like, this is the only way to do it.
This is fighting, okay?
So if we represent real fighting, and this is what this represents.
This represents what happens when guys are allowed to do everything.
When they're allowed to do knees, like that stepping knee fell to just land.
That kick to the body fell to just land.
See, this is a real fight.
This is what you do when you can do everything.
You do everything.
So I love boxing, but it's only a sport.
This is fighting.
So if this is real fighting, why are we wearing gloves?
Why do we have wrist tapes and all that nonsense on?
eddie bravo
I got a question for you.
bryan callen
So if someone doesn't get cut?
joe rogan
No, so you don't break your hands is easy.
But you shouldn't be doing things to break your hands.
Why don't we put nose protectors on?
Because we want to headbutt each other with our faces.
You know, oh, my nose is getting broken too much every time I headbutt.
Well, don't headbutt then.
You'd have to figure out what actually does work.
You have an artificial surface over your hands that protects your hands.
brendan schaub
As far as a purist and a pure fight, you're probably right.
As far as a sport and growing it and getting kids to get involved in it, you have to have some sort of structure.
joe rogan
I think one day, they're going to figure it out, they're going to have no gloves, we're going to look at this, and they're going to say, this is silly.
And guys get hit with a lot more shots than they should have.
brendan schaub
You're going to see more, more shit.
You're going to see probably bigger gloves, you're going to see headgear, some shit.
joe rogan
Oh no, that would be worse.
The science doesn't support that.
brendan schaub
Just like football.
Just like football.
joe rogan
But bigger gloves is actually no better.
brendan schaub
Worse, correct.
That's why boxing's so bad.
joe rogan
The science doesn't support it.
And even headgear, they're thinking now...
Oh, we just tagged him with the right hand.
brendan schaub
Headgear does nothing.
joe rogan
Headgear actually can give you a larger fulcrum point, apparently, and it can spin your head around more.
eddie bravo
You know what I like about the gloves?
Is that they can fucking punch full blast.
That's true.
brendan schaub
And you don't cut your head.
eddie bravo
I like that.
joe rogan
It's better if you don't break them.
But how come you can't tape up your shins?
eddie bravo
Forget about that.
It's just like you could just hit them harder.
joe rogan
But why can't you tape up your insteps and your shins like they do in Muay Thai fights?
eddie bravo
They should.
brendan schaub
Well, granted, you can say the gloves are a hindrance grappling, but if you have shin pads on, you're not going to move as well.
joe rogan
Dude, you ever see some of those really good guys who do their shin and ankles?
I was in Maury's corner once, Maury Smith, when he had a kickboxing fight, and he's taping his ankles up and shit.
You know, when those guys do that, I mean, they make that thing almost like a cast.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
You know, it's all protected in there.
They layer it in there.
Some dudes more than others.
I mean, some guys don't wear shit.
You see a lot of even the top guys in Glory and Lion Fight and those kind of guys, they don't wear shit.
I'm psyched that Bellator's going to have that kickboxing organization.
Bellator Kickboxing?
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I think that's awesome, man.
Dude, Felder with that beautiful combination.
Look at that.
That faking with the hands and the smoothness with that switch kick on the front leg and the back leg kick.
His Muay Thai is so pretty, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's fun to watch.
joe rogan
Yeah, it really is.
brendan schaub
He's been fucked on decisions a bunch.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
He's just fought real tough guys and had real tough fights.
Close, too.
brendan schaub
Like razor close.
joe rogan
But when people get upset, hey, man, that's just reality.
That's where you stand.
And you've got to get better.
Like, he looks right here.
He looks better right here, right?
brendan schaub
Well, would you say he needs to go for a finish?
joe rogan
No, man.
He just needs to keep training and fighting and being Paul Felder.
He's going to get better.
Oh, look at that knee.
Dude, he's already getting better.
Like, look at this fight.
He's performing spectacularly in this fight.
He's smooth, his timing looks excellent, and he's fighting a fucking animal.
brendan schaub
He's fighting an older guy, too, though, Joe.
joe rogan
He's fighting an animal, though.
He's fighting really good.
Still, his performance isn't slacked.
He might be older, but he doesn't look bad.
Berkman hasn't looked tired or weak in a fight.
bryan callen
Gentlemen, this is a 2010 boyac.
Enjoy this.
joe rogan
What's a boyac, Brian?
unidentified
It's a boyac.
bryan callen
It's a French boyac.
brendan schaub
Ooh, he just took his ass down.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
bryan callen
Gentlemen, cheers, my boys.
Cheers.
brendan schaub
Thanks, buddy.
bryan callen
We're back.
joe rogan
Put your headphones on so we don't talk over each other.
It's a rule, ladies and gentlemen.
We made rules for you guys.
One of them is we try not to chew into the microphone, because I know that is so annoying, especially if you're at the gym and you have headphones on.
brendan schaub
And smacking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you have headphones on, it's even more rude, because it's like in someone's ear.
brendan schaub
That's a nice wine, Brian Kellen.
joe rogan
So Berkman's cut.
brendan schaub
He just landed a takedown, too.
joe rogan
We were talking, and I didn't get a chance to see what the fuck happened.
But he's got a pretty nasty cut.
There's a lot of blood.
I can't see.
I think it's his nose.
Man, it might be his nose.
brendan schaub
Nice knee to the body.
joe rogan
Looks like the forehead, maybe more than one cut.
Looks like there's something coming out of his forehead.
brendan schaub
Looks like his nose, the bridge of his nose and his forehead.
bryan callen
Does this kind of blood make the sport more popular or less popular?
joe rogan
It doesn't have an effect on it.
Just like I don't think that sponsors had an effect on it either.
I don't think anybody looked at it and goes, this shit is, how come they don't all have the same clothes on?
Nobody looked at it and said it needed a uniform.
brendan schaub
No, that's more of the UFC brass doing it for a corporate to try and be like everyone else.
joe rogan
But it didn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Blood doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
Well, in pro wrestling, the more you bled, the more you got paid.
You got paid on blood.
joe rogan
Felder on his back at the end of the round.
Look at Berkman.
He helps him up.
He is a fucking stud.
bryan callen
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
Man crush.
brendan schaub
How old is that, Berkman?
joe rogan
Fucking animal.
I think he's probably 36, 37. Amazing.
Let's find out.
brendan schaub
He's been through some wars, man.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is.
brendan schaub
That elbow did it on the bridge of the nose.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Damn!
Oh my god, that's beautiful.
brendan schaub
Hey Vegas, let's get more fucking people there.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
That's going to win him the fight too.
Because they're replaying it.
bryan callen
Felder's so durable.
When Barboza was kicking him in the side, and you could hear it like a gunshot, and he just didn't, he never stopped.
You just wondered how somebody could take that kind of a beating in the fight.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
He hit Barboza with some good shots too.
But Barboza's just so goddamn fast.
brendan schaub
He's too quick for him.
joe rogan
And that was just one of his first jaunts into the higher echelons of MMA. And what's going to happen is Felder, As you see in this fight, I think he looked as good in this fight as he's ever looked, and he's gonna continue to get better.
brendan schaub
He looked good in those other fights, too.
joe rogan
He did, but I think he looks even better now.
I mean, he's a young kid, he's improving, and he's smart, and he works hard, and he's got Donald with him.
I mean, having Cerrone as a training partner...
That is so goddamn gigantic.
When you got a guy who, first of all, is an animal, will fucking fight anybody.
If they call him up to fight Stipe Miocic, he'll go, what I gotta do?
He'll fucking hop, ride a bull over to Stipe.
brendan schaub
It's that whole camp over there.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
bryan callen
He'll ride a bull.
joe rogan
Donald is a legit wild man.
He's a total legit wild man.
And super successful as an MMA fighter.
So for a guy like Felder to have a guy like Donald and have him be a colleague and the two guys be able to train with each other like that and work with each other.
God, it's giant.
You know, it's like those camps that have other great guys.
Like, look at Cormier and Kane.
A.K.A. Nothing better.
unidentified
Rockhold.
bryan callen
Rockhold, yeah.
joe rogan
And then Habib Nurmagomedov.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
You look at these fucking animals.
brendan schaub
And now your boy, the kid, the K-1 champion's there now.
Trying for MMA. What's his name?
joe rogan
Oh, Rico Verhoeven?
Yeah, he's at AK. Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Working takedown offense.
joe rogan
He's the best out of all of them.
unidentified
Good luck.
brendan schaub
Good luck with that.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Good luck beating him.
joe rogan
Well, he won with ground and pound his first MMA fight.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
But he is a fucking athlete.
He might be the best heavyweight striking athlete in combat sports.
He's ripped too big.
He's just like 240, solid Viking genetics.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm going to need you to piss in this cup before we do anything.
joe rogan
Well, it's going to melt.
brendan schaub
Let's go ahead and piss in this cup before we sign you up for the UFC. That cup's going to melt.
joe rogan
Those Colin guys don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and piss in this cup, bro.
joe rogan
Those Holland guys don't mind taking steroids.
bryan callen
Hey, that's an accusation.
brendan schaub
No, it's not.
bryan callen
They drink a lot of raw milk.
joe rogan
And horse meat, right?
There's not a single person who's more of a fan of Dutch Muay Thai fighters than me.
Like Ramon Deckers.
brendan schaub
Oh, the best.
joe rogan
Oh, come on, man.
Rob Kamen.
Ernesto Hoost.
So the greatest combat sports athletes of all time were Dutch kickboxers.
There's so many animals.
I guess Melvin Manhoof got robbed in Bellator.
I didn't watch their fight, but dude, people were calling me up saying, did you see that shit?
brendan schaub
Yeah, people were furious.
joe rogan
Apparently even Scott Coker was pissed.
And Manhoof, he's another one, man.
Jesus Christ, is he terrifying.
brendan schaub
He's scary.
joe rogan
And he's a regular training partner, Badr Hari.
He's another fucking psychopath.
brendan schaub
Literally psycho.
joe rogan
Literally psycho.
brendan schaub
You don't want to fuck with that guy.
joe rogan
Goddamn, he's good.
brendan schaub
When he knocked out Overeem?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Overeem knocked him out, too, though.
brendan schaub
They had that horrible grudge match.
joe rogan
It was the best.
brendan schaub
Those were the days.
joe rogan
The best rematch with him, with Botter, is Stefan Letko.
Oh, yeah.
Because he fought Stefan Letko, and Stefan Letko knocked him out with a spinning back kick to the body.
So he came back and knocked Letko out in the neck with a spinning back kick to the head.
He got him with the same kick.
And he was mean about it.
He was a sidekick.
And he was real skinny Botter Hari back then.
He wasn't Jack Botter Hari as he got older and got involved with Mexicans.
bryan callen
He got mean, too.
Now that I'm a little more educated on the steroid use, alleged steroid use, when I go back and watch a lot of these guys fight in MMA, I go, oh, you're an absolute giant, and there's zero reason you should be that bulky.
joe rogan
And no body fat, and somehow or another can go on forever.
bryan callen
Huh.
How interesting.
joe rogan
Maurice Smith fought Kevin Randleman, rest in peace, who was a great guy.
Kevin Randleman really truly was a great guy.
And he was one of those guys that was probably like one of the freakiest freak athletes that's ever fought in combat sports.
brendan schaub
Mostly the best athlete to ever compete in the UFC. Pretty close.
A lot of guys say that.
bryan callen
He looked like a better looking Mike Tyson.
joe rogan
Like a prettier Mike Tyson.
When he was in his prime.
bryan callen
I mean look at that.
unidentified
Look at that dog.
joe rogan
He was a fucking dog.
He looked like that silverback we were looking at earlier.
bryan callen
By the way, plucked eyebrows.
I promise you plucked eyebrows.
brendan schaub
I don't think that's true.
bryan callen
100% plucked eyebrows.
joe rogan
Okay, let's not get weird.
bryan callen
And dyed hair.
joe rogan
But beautiful.
He definitely dyed his hair.
bryan callen
He's a beautiful man.
joe rogan
He's a black guy with blonde hair, dude.
bryan callen
He's a beautiful man.
joe rogan
He's a stud.
He's a beautiful human being.
Where was I going with that?
Oh, he fought Maurice Smith.
And after the fight, Maury said, okay, freak of science or freak of nature?
Like, that was what Maurice called me up.
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
What do you think?
And I said, man, there's really no way to tell.
There's Maurice in Roundabout.
brendan schaub
It's tough to tell.
joe rogan
He said the guy never got tired.
He said he never got tired.
brendan schaub
That's a difference.
Well, no, because he was in college at Ohio State.
He was a freak, too.
There's legendary stories.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
So it's easy.
You know, you could say, has he tried him in his life?
Maybe, but that's not why he's such a freak.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
I don't like when people discredit guys like that.
He's a fucking animal.
bryan callen
Nobody's discrediting him, but when you look at how muscular he is now that you know a little bit, No, you gotta see him in college.
brendan schaub
There's pictures of him in high school, jacked.
He's a freak.
bryan callen
Brock Lesnar was that way.
In high school, he looked like a freak.
joe rogan
There's definitely freaks.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying that there's not a chance they dabble in the old Mexican supplements.
joe rogan
But this thing is, a guy like Randaman, you have to have two things to look like that.
You couldn't take a guy like...
bryan callen
Brian Callum?
joe rogan
I was going to say...
I was going to say somebody else.
bryan callen
I'm not even on that.
I'm not even on that.
brendan schaub
You're talking about like a shitty body?
joe rogan
Let's be honest.
We took you.
There's no way you're going to look like that.
brendan schaub
There's no supplements on earth that can do that.
bryan callen
You have to have the frame.
joe rogan
His frame is insane and muscular.
There he is in high school.
He's a stud.
brendan schaub
That's college.
bryan callen
But look at him in college.
He's ridiculously muscular.
joe rogan
Stud wrestler.
I mean, just a really powerful athlete.
And there's guys that are just more mesomorphic than other guys.
brendan schaub
They're out there, man.
bryan callen
Mike Tyson was not taking steroids, I don't think.
joe rogan
No, he was not.
brendan schaub
Fuck you.
joe rogan
No, he was not.
brendan schaub
Fuck you.
You.
bryan callen
You think he was?
joe rogan
You think he was when he was like 14, 15, 16 years old?
bryan callen
When he was 19?
joe rogan
Hold on.
When he was 16 years old.
Maybe not 16. And looking the same.
And knocking dudes into a coma.
Looking like a grown man.
Mike Tyson was a freak of nature.
unidentified
No, no, I'm with you.
brendan schaub
I'm not discrediting that.
Watch him versus Evander Holyfield.
It's like, alright, what are we doing here, fellas?
Like, Evander Holyfield could have got first in Mr. Olympia.
bryan callen
Oh, of course.
brendan schaub
And Tyson was...
Obviously on some shit, too.
joe rogan
Well, why do you think he was on some shit?
eddie bravo
He was willing to do everything else.
He had no problem with any other drug.
unidentified
Right.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
You don't rate bitches and not take steroids.
It's not like...
eddie bravo
That's too far.
Crack is okay.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I wouldn't think about it for health.
I would think about it for...
As a matter of fact, there's apparently very little evidence that with all the steroid use that people do, all the crazy bodybuilders, like...
Not that many are dying.
That's true.
The WWE begs the difference.
WWE is dealing with painkillers.
You know that, and I know that.
brendan schaub
Painkillers and steroid use.
joe rogan
Yeah, steroid use sure, but it's the painkillers that are killing everybody.
brendan schaub
My boy Chris Benoit was like, huh?
He's on some shit.
joe rogan
Well, that guy also had some serious CTE, probably.
All those dudes that are slamming each other and hitting each other with chairs and shit.
bryan callen
What about all the type of bodybuilders?
joe rogan
They're still alive.
bryan callen
They are, aren't they?
joe rogan
Most of them are still alive.
And some of them were really abusive.
Like, definitely their endocrine system is shut down.
Definitely they have to take hormone replacement therapy.
But that's available.
You can do that.
But you look at them, though, and you're not looking at old boxers or old...
You go to Muhammad Ali's era, which is the same, I guess, maybe he predated Schwarzenegger by a little bit, like 10 years or so, maybe more.
brendan schaub
More.
joe rogan
More, when Schwarzenegger first burst onto the scene.
So if you look at Ali, and you look at, obviously he's in a bad place now, but you look at Joe Frazier before he died, and you look at a lot of those older boxers from that era, they're fucked.
They're fucked.
But the older bodybuilders, there's a lot of them that are still around.
eddie bravo
How's Arnold doing physically?
joe rogan
He's fine.
brendan schaub
He's killing them.
joe rogan
He had to have a heart surgery.
bryan callen
Yeah, but he's fine.
And that was a valve issue, but yeah.
joe rogan
They said that was something that he was...
Valve, heart, They said that was something that he was born with.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
That it was a condition.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's no evidence that steroids and testosterone is terrible for you, like we thought, right?
Because it started with Lyle Azato.
Remember that?
He's like, oh, I have this cancer, this brain tumor, because I took steroids.
But there's no scientific research to back that.
joe rogan
The problem is some people just get brain tumors.
So you've got to wonder, like, how come everybody's not getting a brain tumor?
Right.
Are we sure that the brain tumor is from that?
With individual cases, apparently, it's really hard to tell what's the ultimate cause.
Because you're dealing with all sorts of environmental causes.
bryan callen
You can also look at broad trends.
They were talking about cell phone use.
Cell phone use has gone up a great deal, but since 1992, from the last statistic I just read, which was yesterday, the gliomas, brain tumors, the really dangerous kind, have stayed pretty steady since 1992. So you'd think with all that...
Bluetooth, bro.
Yeah, maybe that's what it is.
joe rogan
Bluetooth cars.
Yeah, no, that is interesting, Brian.
That's interesting.
bryan callen
Yeah, so you would see a huge market rise over that last 20 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, it should be massive.
bryan callen
Of course, but you just haven't.
But in 26 years, you haven't.
It stayed very steady.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's like cigarettes for a while.
They said cigarettes don't cause lung cancer.
bryan callen
It took 50 years to figure out But it's not ionizing radiation.
It's radio frequency.
It's not ionizing.
Ionizing, like, which would be x-rays and gamma rays, that kind of stuff.
That's ionizing.
So what that does, actually, is it changes, it knocks atoms, I guess, off the DNA or screws with your DNA, which can then lead to cancer itself.
But it doesn't mean that it necessarily will.
brendan schaub
But what happens is, like, if one guy dies of, you know, whatever, cancer, and he took steroids, and he accused that, then we're like, oh, that's what steroids do.
If there's one example, the media rushes to it.
joe rogan
Well, here's an important point.
brendan schaub
Like, Chris Benrod was just a bad dude with some CTE. I'm looking for a good reason to get on...
joe rogan
A lot of things wrong.
He was on drugs, all kinds of painkillers.
brendan schaub
He was on steroids.
joe rogan
Those things also, when you're taking painkillers, certain painkillers, they react really badly to other drugs and, of course, alcohol.
If alcohol's involved, I don't know if it was, but then they react even worse.
brendan schaub
He could have been just a shitty person, too.
You know, like, maybe he's a bad dude.
And then got all high and did some fucked up stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, anything.
And he could have, you know, gone crazy.
Who the fuck knows?
But the Lyle Alzado thing, an important point is that Lyle Alzado was taking human growth hormone Hormone in a time where they were getting it from cadavers.
They were getting human growth hormone in a different way than they gather it now.
The way they gather it now is they produce it with bacteria.
bryan callen
They use yams and stuff, don't they?
joe rogan
That's for testosterone.
No, not human growth hormone.
It's also for estrogen.
There's steroid fucking soaked yams.
It sounds so crazy.
But they get testosterone and they can get female birth control out of Mexican wild yams.
brendan schaub
Goddamn, look at yams.
joe rogan
Yams are super good for you.
brendan schaub
Goddamn, look at yams doing the damn thing.
joe rogan
Super good for you.
brendan schaub
I've always liked yams.
joe rogan
So, like, everybody that is on testosterone replacement therapy is getting it from yams.
Yeah.
The problem with it now, according to Novitski, is that they seem to have figured out a way to get it from animals.
So you're going to get testosterone from animals, and it'll be bio-identical.
bryan callen
Yeah, because the carbon, they figure it out because it has a different color.
Carbon ratio or something?
joe rogan
Carbon isotope ratio.
brendan schaub
He's on it, I'm sure.
We'll figure that shit out.
joe rogan
He's a fucking gangster when it comes to that shit.
brendan schaub
Snitch, yeah.
joe rogan
The golden snitch.
brendan schaub
The golden snitch.
The ultimate golden snitch.
joe rogan
Well, you know, ultimately we're finding out what really does and does not What's really legit?
And we didn't know.
bryan callen
As in what works, you mean?
joe rogan
No, as far as who's on what.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because everybody was lying.
brendan schaub
But look at Overeem.
Overeem's like, yeah, I'm not on shit.
Look at me.
I'm fighting for a world title.
joe rogan
Well, how about my man Tim Means?
The dirty bird got busted for taking some creatine.
brendan schaub
The fucking dirty bird.
For creatine?
joe rogan
Yeah, they tested his creatine and it pisses hot.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's stupid.
joe rogan
They found some shit right off the shelf.
They tested it and it pisses hot.
bryan callen
I'm taking crazy.
joe rogan
Well, listen, you can take it, but you got to realize that most of the stuff you're buying, if you're buying things from like GNC, muscle building, they put steroids in them.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
There's a list on the USADA webpage.
brendan schaub
Brands on steroids.
joe rogan
It is massive.
There's a list in USADA. All these testosterone boosters, how many of them make you piss hot in the Olympics?
It's like thousands of them.
Goddamn.
Dude, Jamie and I went over the other day, we tried to just get through the letter A. Oh, it's exhausting.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
The letter A is like hundreds and hundreds.
bryan callen
So how are you supposed to...
joe rogan
Anabolic, anabolic, animal, animal this, animal...
brendan schaub
You can't take anything.
bryan callen
All that stuff's steroids.
So you stick to whey protein, basically.
joe rogan
This is what they do, apparently, according to friends that are in that world, in the supplement world.
What they're allowed to do is they can take something.
That's why when you buy gas station boner pills, they have Viagra and steroids in them.
brendan schaub
Who's buying that shit?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Brian Redband.
He buys them all the time.
brendan schaub
Hey, man.
joe rogan
He lives off them.
brendan schaub
I don't have friends that do that.
joe rogan
He doesn't even test them.
Just fucking takes two, three, throws them down, goes to work.
brendan schaub
Just rock hard all night.
unidentified
So they actually work.
joe rogan
Also, it's a steroid, too.
It makes you super horny.
It makes you aggressive.
But what happens is they get caught, and then they take it off the market, and then they come right back with a new name.
bryan callen
With a new name.
joe rogan
Now it's rhino power.
brendan schaub
But don't they change like a molecule?
If it is on the band, they change the different names so it takes them forever?
joe rogan
It's not banned list.
They just lie about what's in it.
They don't go that far.
brendan schaub
That's like being legit.
bryan callen
Nobody's paying attention, right?
eddie bravo
You're talking about fake marijuana.
That's what you're talking about.
That's what they do.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's talking about basalts.
Basalts is what they do when they take MDMA or anything else.
Well it's usually crystal meth.
eddie bravo
They do fake marijuana too.
bryan callen
People jump out of windows.
brendan schaub
Kids tweak out on that shit.
joe rogan
But fake marijuana is a plant though.
eddie bravo
Fake marijuana kids can buy it.
jamie vernon
I used to work for a company that sold it.
eddie bravo
What?
joe rogan
So how do they do that?
What do they do?
They would distribute it.
eddie bravo
Head shops.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the stores that were getting it, they would get hit up by the FDA or whoever was against it, the DEA, and they would tell them what specific chemicals were illegal.
They would then go back to the labs, take that specific molecule out, change the number from CL. Right.
joe rogan
But how could they do that with weed?
brendan schaub
They did that with Androstein, too.
unidentified
It's not weed.
eddie bravo
It's that spice.
jamie vernon
They're spraying fake THC on it so people think they're...
joe rogan
Getting close to that.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
It's fake weed?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so that fake weed is like...
eddie bravo
It's legal.
Anybody can buy it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Havana, has anybody tried it?
brendan schaub
Why the fuck would anyone try that?
eddie bravo
That's what they do, and then they change it.
Then they get busted out, and then they go back, and the same company makes it, and they twist it a little bit.
jamie vernon
Same thing with bath salts and a couple other things.
brendan schaub
Bath salts.
If you've seen videos of kids freaking on that, what the fuck?
joe rogan
See, but the thing about these pills that they're buying from the gas stations is it's not like...
Similar stuff to Viagra.
They fucking throw Viagra in it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, and steroids.
You're taking that Barry Bonds, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're taking all kinds of shit.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and fuck girls, hit baseballs.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
I can't believe you have a friend who takes that shit.
joe rogan
I always look at him like, who the fuck buys this stuff?
Brian's out of his mind, though.
He's out of his mind.
brendan schaub
Does he buy his Red Band?
Fuck those lot lizards?
eddie bravo
No.
You've never met Red Band?
Brendan, you've never met Red Band?
brendan schaub
I met him very briefly at our first live show at the Comedy Store, because Rogan and him came through there.
We talked to each other on Twitter, but I've never had a conversation with him.
eddie bravo
Shit.
brendan schaub
Which is weird, because he's Joe's friend, so you'd think we'd link up, but no.
joe rogan
He's ridiculous.
He'll take those things all day.
bryan callen
All day long.
Some people don't care.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
His endocrine system must just be shattered.
unidentified
He doesn't give a fuck.
bryan callen
He smokes a lot of cigarettes and drinks.
That's like my friend was like, I want more energy.
Can you help me?
I go, you smoke.
And he goes, yeah.
I go, you got to stop smoking before I start talking to you.
He goes, no.
I can't do that.
I was like, then I'm not going to have a conversation with you.
joe rogan
Who the fuck do you know that you're talking to and you said you've got to stop smoking?
bryan callen
He's a famous director.
joe rogan
No, I can't do that.
bryan callen
I'll tell you afterwards.
joe rogan
Okay.
bryan callen
But he's a famous director.
And I was like, you have to stop smoking.
He goes, no.
joe rogan
No, I can't do that.
bryan callen
And then I go, you're going to die.
He goes, what if?
brendan schaub
Dude, I've never fucked with Viagra or anything like that.
joe rogan
Good for you.
brendan schaub
You have?
joe rogan
No.
Of course.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
I took it once.
It gave me a headache.
joe rogan
I'm on it right now.
I knew this podcast was going to be strong.
unidentified
There it is.
brendan schaub
Rhino 12, 7, 11. See, that Rhino 12, the graphic is so intense, I'm not taking that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need that in your life.
brendan schaub
It's pretty cool, though.
joe rogan
I wonder if you see that.
What kind of pussy picks up Rhino 7?
bryan callen
Damn, I don't know.
joe rogan
Who doesn't go right to Rhino 12?
I'm taking that Rhino 11. I'm like, are we here to party?
brendan schaub
See, I'm like, you know what?
Rhino 7 looks for bitches.
Rhino 11, I'll take.
joe rogan
It's interesting that...
bryan callen
Rhino 7 might be for girls.
joe rogan
Is that his Instagram?
Oh, that's Red Band's Instagram!
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ!
bryan callen
What's that?
joe rogan
It means he's getting ready to party.
bryan callen
Time, size, and stamina.
joe rogan
He's not kidding, man.
He really does take those things.
No headache.
Dude, some dude did a review of those things online, and he said they fucking work.
Not only did it work, it's like they're crazy good.
eddie bravo
Maybe he's getting sponsored by them or something.
joe rogan
Red Band?
unidentified
I asked him about that once.
eddie bravo
There's no way he's taking them every day.
brendan schaub
You can't be healthy and take them.
joe rogan
I'm only kidding when I say every day.
But he takes it a lot.
Brian parties, man.
brendan schaub
When you stop taking it, does your dick not work?
You know, like steroids?
joe rogan
Talk to him.
Lorenz Larkin and Jorge Masvidal.
eddie bravo
Hey, Brendan, I'm not going to say if I've ever done Viagra or not.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you for sure have.
eddie bravo
But I'm saying if you ever do MDMA, you're going to need that shit.
Trust me.
That's it.
That's all I'm going to say.
brendan schaub
That might be info I already know.
joe rogan
Let's watch this fight because this is a big one.
Lorenz Larkin and Jorge Masvidal.
This is another super skillful fight that's a sleeper fight.
brendan schaub
It's a great fight.
Larkin and underdog.
A little surprised.
joe rogan
Well, Larkin had that fight with Tumanov that could have gone either way.
That was a super close fight.
Larkin is a slick stand-up fighter.
Real slick.
But so is Masvidal.
brendan schaub
Remember, Masvidal was kind of the first Kimbo slice.
He was a backyard fighter in Miami.
joe rogan
Well, he was in the same group as Kimbo, right?
I mean, he was in some of those early videos.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
Super game.
Phenomenal ref.
He's good at everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's good at everything.
He's a very smart guy, too.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Very sneaky.
Remember when he fought?
He fought Eve Edwards and I think it was Bodog.
He head kicked him.
brendan schaub
Dude, if he's on, I don't see how guys beat them.
He's so good at everything.
joe rogan
It was back when Yves was considered to be one of the best in the world.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
It's like everybody thought Yves was...
I mean, it was after Yves.
I think it was after he had beaten Josh Thompson.
brendan schaub
So talented for a long time.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
But, you know, father time catches up to everybody.
Just people that can do things that your body just can't do anymore.
After not just father time, but I think more importantly, beatings.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can't take the beatings.
I think it's more the reaction to it.
bryan callen
Yeah, I was going to say, it's a reaction.
brendan schaub
Like last night I was working that Shane Mosley fight and I asked him afterwards, I said, you know, he fought a young guy who's 25. I said, what was the difference?
He goes, my reaction time is just not there.
He's way younger, faster.
Did he lose?
Yeah, he lost an incision.
He goes, I wanted to throw something, it's just not there anymore.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
He's like, that's the first time I've noticed it to go.
joe rogan
And how long has it been since his last fight?
brendan schaub
He fought like six months ago, seven months ago.
But he fought, you know, not the same caliber of guys.
He wasn't fighting young guys.
He was fighting older guys.
Now he fought a young, hungry line.
joe rogan
Right.
And Shane was always so quick when he was young.
brendan schaub
So quick, man.
joe rogan
But you've got to think, Shane has also been punishing his body through camps.
He's 44. Yeah, for all these years.
brendan schaub
He fought at the highest level.
joe rogan
For 20 years.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
You know, for more than 20 years.
You know, he was a stellar...
Nice switch kick to the body.
He was a stellar amateur fighter as well.
brendan schaub
Amazing amateur fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So you've got to think about all those years of boxing and all the damage that it does to you.
After a while, your body just does not want to perform anymore.
brendan schaub
Dude, and he still almost beat that young cat.
bryan callen
Damn, where does Lawrence Larkin fight out of?
He's good, man.
joe rogan
Millennium Jiu-Jitsu.
bryan callen
Millennium MMA. But is he a stand-up fighter first and a grappler second?
unidentified
He's...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's got skills on the ground for sure, but on his feet, he's super slick.
brendan schaub
Stand-up's his forte.
His takedown offense is amazing.
He came into rain one time, and just wrestling, fuck, people couldn't get him down.
Munoz, Cummings, myself, he's a monster.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Well, he fought at a higher weight class.
He beat Robbie Lawler in Strikeforce at 185. People forget about that.
Lorenz Larkin is legit.
brendan schaub
And at this weight class now.
joe rogan
Yeah, at 170, he's really, really good.
But it just shows you how deep the pool is because Tumanoff beat him, although, like I said, could have gone either way.
He throws this really creepy fucking spinning heel kick to the legs.
unidentified
A lot.
joe rogan
It's nasty.
He's really good at it, and he does it on the inside and the outside, but he did it on the outside a couple times against Tumanov, and I was like, whoa, I want to see him that nice jab.
bryan callen
Yeah, he was hitting that dude last fight he fought.
He was hitting the guy in the calf.
It was just crazy.
brendan schaub
I was just thinking about, like, these guys are so talented, right?
And you look at welterweight, you look at middleweight.
It's like Bisping.
It took him 10 years to get a title shot.
10 fucking...
That's how tough it is, man.
joe rogan
I know.
And meanwhile, if Yoel Romero didn't get popped, and if Jacare didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have even gotten that call.
brendan schaub
No, he would have never got a title shot.
joe rogan
That's not necessarily true.
He could have beaten one more guy and gotten a title shot, but he wasn't really in line for it.
brendan schaub
He's in a tough spot, man.
With his career physically, his eye, he's tough.
bryan callen
Did Yoel go to Jackson's?
Is he training there, somebody said?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I had heard something like that, too.
I don't know what they're going to do with it.
He was another one.
bryan callen
He's cleared in July.
joe rogan
He has another one.
He had a supplement that he took, an off-the-counter supplement, over-the-counter supplement that was tainted.
There's a lot of them that are tainted.
brendan schaub
Stop taking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it works.
unidentified
Goddammit.
brendan schaub
Obviously, it works.
joe rogan
This is the reason why this stuff has shit in it.
brendan schaub
There's a reason you can't take it.
bryan callen
Your friend tells you it works, and you're going to work.
You're going to mix wines?
brendan schaub
Yeah, but with Bisping, I was glad to see him get a title shot, but it sucks it's that way, but now I think it's probably the only way it was going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
Masvidal just landed a good right hand.
Well, I mean, it could have happened.
Look, he just beat Anderson.
brendan schaub
They're both older, though, Joe.
If you toss him Jacare, Yoel, Weidman, it's going to be a tough night for him.
joe rogan
Could be.
Very tough.
brendan schaub
The odds would be in my favor on that.
joe rogan
The odds would be in that favor, but not 100%.
You know what I mean?
There's a thing about guys that are tough, like Bisping, is they figure out a way to get shit done.
So, oh, he just poked the shit out of his eyes.
brendan schaub
Goddammit.
joe rogan
And that looks like it hurts.
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
It's over.
There's no way.
brendan schaub
You can't fight after that.
eddie bravo
He's not coming back from that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I fucking hate eye pokes.
bryan callen
He knew right away, too.
He said, fuck.
brendan schaub
There's nothing worse.
bryan callen
Larkin knew.
eddie bravo
His finger probably went into his brain.
brendan schaub
Hey, Joe, here's an idea for you.
joe rogan
That's awful.
brendan schaub
With title shots, you know how they say, well, anyone in the top five needs to stay ready if there's a title shot now.
bryan callen
I don't want to see this.
unidentified
Ah, watch this.
Boom!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
That's knuckle deep.
bryan callen
Let's show you how fucking effective an eye poke is.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
I don't think anyone's questioned that, Brian.
bryan callen
If you get in a street fight, forget all the technique.
eddie bravo
That looked crazy.
brendan schaub
That's that Carl McGraw, son.
bryan callen
Shit.
eddie bravo
Right?
bryan callen
Man!
joe rogan
I fucking hate the open fingers.
Oh, he looks fine.
unidentified
He looks fine now.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's hurting.
brendan schaub
No, he's not.
Now you've got one eye.
You've got to fight now.
eddie bravo
He's good.
bryan callen
I know.
I'm plunging my fingers into dry rice from now on.
joe rogan
Yeah, listen, man.
brendan schaub
Dude, think about when you get poked in the eye, how long it takes before you're ready again.
unidentified
Well, look at it.
eddie bravo
He's ready to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they're making him.
brendan schaub
He's acting like that.
joe rogan
No, he's acting like that.
unidentified
You would see that he would be like this if he was fucked up.
joe rogan
He is like that.
Do you know, I would like to see statistics on how, when guys fight, what happens after they get eye poked.
unidentified
After?
joe rogan
How many more guys?
Somebody do that.
One of you MMA websites.
eddie bravo
You're going to have to get 100 guys and poke them in the eye and throw them in a cage.
joe rogan
No, we're talking about results from fights that have already happened.
So one of the MMA sites, please do something on this if you have the notion.
brendan schaub
And kicks to the balls.
joe rogan
Kicks to the balls are big.
eddie bravo
That's a good one, too.
joe rogan
But I think eye pokes are worse, honestly.
brendan schaub
I bet you'd be surprised at both.
joe rogan
They're close.
eddie bravo
Maybe you get kicked in the balls and that just saps everything out of you.
That's a good question.
brendan schaub
Remember when Chris Duster got kicked in the nuts by Gonzaga?
And they were like, you good, bro?
He got kicked so hard.
He goes, yeah, I'm good.
Obviously, he looks like shit.
The douche head kick.
Game over.
Not that that won't happen anyways, but that was the worst I've ever seen.
joe rogan
Yeah, it can be bad.
It certainly can be bad.
brendan schaub
It's part of Congo's game plan.
eddie bravo
Balls are tricky now.
Because you got a cup, so sometimes when Gilbert Ivel and Vanderlei fought in Pride and Vanderlei kicked Gilbert in the balls, his cup was caught right on his balls.
brendan schaub
That'll pinch your balls.
eddie bravo
It was a different kind of pain.
Now that was like a stinging pain that he could not recover from.
brendan schaub
No, it's a different game.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I want to see a statistic on what happens to guys when it's a close fight like Mitrione and Travis Brown and then he gets eye poked and then from then on it's a blowout.
And there's a lot of fights like that where a guy gets eye poked and like it looked towards the end like Masvidal had recovered.
He looked like he was fighting really smooth and well.
It didn't look like Travis and Mitrione is a perfect example of like Mitrione was not the same after that eye poke.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You can tell he got jacked.
bryan callen
Didn't he get poked twice in that fight?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
brendan schaub
And they did nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was not a good refereeing job, I don't believe.
unidentified
No.
Who did it?
bryan callen
What do you do, though?
unidentified
I don't remember.
joe rogan
I don't want to call him out.
I just remember being upset with it.
Like, when a guy gets his eye poked that bad, you know, like, there's a real problem with making a guy go fight when you know he's compromised, and the reason why he's compromised is a foul.
So everybody who's watching wants the fight to continue.
We don't want to be disappointed.
It's not like the fight is being stopped because of a legit technique.
The fight's being stopped because of a foul.
bryan callen
Would you give him five minutes or what would you do?
joe rogan
I would stop the fight.
eddie bravo
He's blinking, man.
He's blinking a lot.
He won't stop blinking now.
Something's wrong.
joe rogan
I think when a guy goes down like that, there's almost a good argument to stop the fight.
brendan schaub
It definitely changes the dynamics.
I would like to see those statistics, too.
I guarantee it's probably in the favor of the guy who pokes the guy in.
eddie bravo
It's got to be if you see it in the...
brendan schaub
The judges should be allowed to see the replay and go, okay, that shit was deliberate.
eddie bravo
Boom, minus a point.
brendan schaub
Well, it's not deliberate.
Most times, it's not deliberate.
eddie bravo
But if it is...
brendan schaub
Certain guys...
How are you gonna judge that, though, Eddie?
eddie bravo
But what if it's clean?
Fuck if it's deliberate.
Who cares what they were thinking?
If you fucking landed it, you're gonna get penalized.
joe rogan
100%.
eddie bravo
That's it.
It doesn't matter.
brendan schaub
It'd be the best way to stop it, for sure.
joe rogan
It's never gonna stop.
Because it's an instinct and because a lot of guys train Muay Thai.
And so they're used to open-handing people on the forehead and pushing them off.
And then you go to do it with regular gloves.
brendan schaub
Some guys aren't Muay Thai and they do it.
eddie bravo
If you don't get a point taken off, like for the first shot, then a guy knows he has one free shot at the balls, right?
joe rogan
Here's the words.
While they don't have complete data, they did find 32 eye pokes that led to a pause in the action from a sample of 1,333 fights.
And Ramy estimated you're likely to see an eye poke in 3-4% of UFC fights.
Taken at the high end, you're likely to see an eye poke once every 25 fights or so.
Conservatively, 96% of fights transpired devoid of eye pokes.
It doesn't say the success rate.
eddie bravo
That's interesting, though, to hear that.
brendan schaub
I figured behind that, 3-4%.
joe rogan
Well, how many Jon Jones fights?
brendan schaub
That's probably the 3-4%.
joe rogan
I mean, there's some guys that just their style...
brendan schaub
He's so long too.
bryan callen
I can't wait to see that Rumble Jones fight.
brendan schaub
Well, they're not fighting.
joe rogan
Cormier's gonna fight.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
joe rogan
Masvidal looks okay, but only he knows whether or not he got really compromised from that poke.
brendan schaub
He's definitely compromised, but he can still get a win, but it's definitely...
joe rogan
Right, but it's not the same.
brendan schaub
I agree.
No, I'm with you, John.
I wouldn't mind if they stopped it.
But then you're talking about entertainment.
unidentified
Fuck that.
bryan callen
They're just standing right in each other's...
There you go, ladies.
joe rogan
Dude, Masvidal looks good.
eddie bravo
I'd be pissed if they stopped it.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
I agree with you.
I'd be pissed if they stopped it in this fight.
But I think in the Mitrione fight, there's a good argument for stopping it.
That fight, he looked like way more fucked up.
Like when he went back, he never looked the same.
brendan schaub
And it was terrible, man.
joe rogan
The second time, I think there's a good argument for stopping it.
It's because it's almost unfair to let a guy fight on.
brendan schaub
I think you disqualified a guy.
If you're talking two to three times, what the fuck you gotta do?
joe rogan
And it's still an accident.
Even if it's an accident, it still does damage.
bryan callen
I think it's up to the ref.
The ref's gotta assess exactly what kind of an eye poke to.
brendan schaub
There's too much pressure on the ref to give him that kind of power.
joe rogan
Masvidal's a good ref player here.
Let's see if he can get Lorenz to the ground.
Lorenz is fighting it off.
brendan schaub
Dude, his takedown offense is...
Nasty.
joe rogan
Lorenz is so slick.
But so is Masvidal, man.
I'm liking the way he's fighting here.
brendan schaub
Real vet.
bryan callen
Right in the...
Just...
unidentified
Bam, bam, look at that.
joe rogan
Little doll.
Some dude made that.
unidentified
Gave it to me in Atlanta.
eddie bravo
This is so fucking cool, man.
Come on.
brendan schaub
That is dope.
unidentified
That was the coolest fucking thing.
brendan schaub
That is really dope.
eddie bravo
This could be like an animated series, man.
You could be the star of it.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
It's funny because the UFC made those little dolls and they made one of me and they gave it to me, whatever the company was and I was laughing.
I was like, that is so ridiculous.
It doesn't look anything like me.
It didn't look anything like me.
I'm like, did you just pretend it was me?
brendan schaub
Just a bald guy?
Just love it.
joe rogan
I don't even think it was back when I was bald.
I think I had hair back then, but it was so bad.
eddie bravo
It looks like your torso and your arms.
joe rogan
Oh, it looks just like me.
The guy did a great job.
brendan schaub
You look a little older in that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but still.
bryan callen
I was going to say, that's when you know we're all getting older.
We're all getting older, though.
eddie bravo
I just want to put that out there.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
We're definitely getting older.
Everybody does.
bryan callen
I mean, nobody said immediately, ah, you look older.
It took a little bit, because we all expected to get, not you, Brennan, but for us in our late 40s.
brendan schaub
Compared to you guys.
eddie bravo
How old are you now, Brennan?
brendan schaub
33. Christ save.
Every bit of it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Once you hit 40, you want those guys to hit 40. Ooh, look at that right hand.
unidentified
Come up.
eddie bravo
Every year, come up.
Come closer.
brendan schaub
You guys are wiser, though.
It's good to have friends.
joe rogan
Dude, Larkin is looking smooth here, man.
bryan callen
Masvidal is standing.
joe rogan
Ooh, Masvidal with that switch kick.
Damn!
I love that switch kick.
bryan callen
Somebody's going to get caught here.
Oof!
That uppercut, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Masvidal is real sneaky, but so is Larkin.
Larkin is real sneaky with his attacks.
brendan schaub
Larkin is stuff to train for, man.
He's so unconventional.
His angles are weird.
His style is weird.
joe rogan
Well, he's got a little bit of karate mixed in with a lot of boxing and Muay Thai.
bryan callen
Look at this, look at this, man.
joe rogan
Some of his moves are like karate moves.
But Masvidal might have tagged him there.
Look at this, Loracca with a takedown.
Who saw that coming?
eddie bravo
His jiu-jitsu is good, too.
brendan schaub
That'll win him the round for sure.
Joe, all I was saying on those title shots, what if, you know how they say anyone in the top five needs to stay in shape just in case a guy gets hurt?
What if during a title shot, the UFC tells a guy he's the reserve?
So if Wyoming gets hurt, Bisbee, you're up, brother.
So you don't have to go to training camp.
But be ready, because you're the first guy we go to, so we're not fumbling around.
joe rogan
We should have that laid out on the card, like the alternates.
brendan schaub
I don't think you tell people, because let's say in DC Jones' case, let's say Rumble's the alternate, people want to see that fight.
It's like, come on, hopefully he gets hurt.
I don't think you tell anyone.
You just surprise him, but only that fighter knows.
Only that fighter knows.
eddie bravo
Then you start paying people to hurt him.
bryan callen
I think Rumble's the most dangerous fight in many ways, because Jones does take hits to the face, and he can't do that With Rumble.
I don't think you do.
eddie bravo
If you listed the alternate, either fighter might have someone pay someone off to make sure that motherfucker gets hurt.
brendan schaub
You don't tell anyone.
eddie bravo
So you can't tell anybody.
joe rogan
No one's going to do that.
eddie bravo
Hey, it could happen in big title fights.
You're like, shit, I want to fight that guy.
I don't want to fight this dude.
joe rogan
What you'd have to worry about is some unscrupulous promoter or some character.
unidentified
Tonya Hardy.
brendan schaub
For sure.
eddie bravo
Don't forget about Tonya Harding.
brendan schaub
Think if they told Bisping, hey bro, Sousa's out for a while, obviously our boy Yoel's out for a while.
If something happens with Weidman, there's a good chance because he does get hurt, you're up.
So don't go to fucking Toronto and film a movie.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you tell them one in five.
You're one of five guys we're thinking about.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you're a guy like Bisping and they offer you a fucking movie, you realize...
You realize you're at the end of your career, you gotta take that movie shot.
brendan schaub
I'm not hating on him.
I'm just saying if the UFC had a plan in place, yes.
joe rogan
But then he would still have to take that movie.
You gotta take it because it's a bird in the hand.
You know, maybe he would train a little bit more.
brendan schaub
In general, guys aren't filming Fast and Furious 9 or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
eddie bravo
You never know.
brendan schaub
Like with Cheo Son and Jon Jones, if you had a backup in case...
You still have a fight.
joe rogan
So Weidman is out for a while, man.
He's got some disc issues in his neck.
brendan schaub
He says he'll be back for that Madison Square Garden card.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wants to be, but he's got to be real careful because you don't want to rush something like this.
brendan schaub
That's a bad one.
joe rogan
He's got a herniated disc in his neck that's...
Woo!
Goddamn, Lorenz is fast.
eddie bravo
Speaking of herniated discs, I go into surgery Tuesday for my L5. Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Damn, bro.
eddie bravo
Disc replacement, baby.
bryan callen
For your lumbar?
Lower?
unidentified
Lower?
Yep.
bryan callen
Wow.
eddie bravo
Serious shit.
joe rogan
How bad is it?
eddie bravo
My disc, my L5 S1 doesn't exist.
That's why I'm in it.
My lower back is an eternal constant state of inflammation.
It's just sore.
It's just a wreck.
Every day no matter what I do.
I could stop working out for two months and it would feel like I did squats the day before.
Or deadlifts, you know what I mean?
brendan schaub
For sure get that surgery.
bryan callen
Is there anyone you guys know who trained in jiu-jitsu for a long time who doesn't have some issue with their back or neck?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
My doctor said that you're cranking on your neck and back all the time.
I mean, it's part of the game.
bryan callen
You're pretty injury-free now.
brendan schaub
My neck's pretty fucked up.
eddie bravo
My doctor said you get girls in here who've never done anything and they're 23. Oh!
Masvidal!
joe rogan
Masvidal is standing guillotine!
brendan schaub
Keep it against the cage.
eddie bravo
Nope.
brendan schaub
Nope.
joe rogan
Goddamn Lorenz is tough.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit, son!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
This is a fight, dude.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
eddie bravo
This is a...
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
This is a fucking slobber knocker.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Real Donnie.
bryan callen
Oh, again!
joe rogan
Again!
brendan schaub
He has to pass.
Nope.
He's out.
bryan callen
Do you see what he's doing?
That is crazy.
joe rogan
He's bridging on his neck.
Yeah, but he's in trouble.
eddie bravo
Oh, now it's over.
brendan schaub
He's going for the neck again.
joe rogan
Look at all that sweat.
Defense.
eddie bravo
That's a lot of sweat.
joe rogan
Beautiful defense.
Masvidal is fucking relentless, too.
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
How about Larkin's takedown defense?
unidentified
He's getting up, man.
bryan callen
Crazy takedown defense.
brendan schaub
It's nuts.
I'll be telling you.
joe rogan
He's so athletic.
bryan callen
He just went up on his head!
joe rogan
His guillotine defense, too, is insane.
bryan callen
Goddamn.
brendan schaub
Especially when he's this tired.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Third round of a brawl.
eddie bravo
Would you mind if a dude started wearing rash guards if they wanted to?
joe rogan
No, you should be able to wear that if you wanted to.
eddie bravo
And girls wear them, right?
unidentified
Why not?
brendan schaub
They can't have their titties out.
Of course girls wear them.
joe rogan
I think it would take sweat out of the game, which I think would show more technique, especially grappling.
eddie bravo
It would increase submissions.
unidentified
Oh, oh!
bryan callen
Is that a take-down?
joe rogan
For sure.
bryan callen
Does that count as a take-down when he just did it?
joe rogan
Of course.
eddie bravo
It increases entertainment, it increases in submissions.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter if it counts because this guy gets right back up.
eddie bravo
They should make rash cards mandatory.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Guys should wear sunglasses, too.
joe rogan
No, there's benefits to it and then there's negatives to it if you're a striker.
You want to keep...
You want to be all greased up?
Yeah.
Oh, he tagged him with an uppercut!
Jesus Christ, this fight is amazing.
unidentified
This is crazy.
bryan callen
Nuts!
joe rogan
Definitely not mandatory.
eddie bravo
We've got to remember this.
unidentified
Is greasing illegal or legal?
brendan schaub
Illegal.
unidentified
It's illegal.
brendan schaub
Because it's a foreign substance.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a foreign substance.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no.
But why, though?
brendan schaub
Because it's a foreign substance.
eddie bravo
And then what happens?
joe rogan
What does it do?
Come on, don't play games.
It benefits the guy that has it on him because he can't get taken down.
brendan schaub
And it's a foreign substance.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Of course, but...
brendan schaub
It's nothing like sweat.
eddie bravo
It's very much like sweat.
brendan schaub
Sweat is slippery and greasy.
eddie bravo
Sweat is very slippery.
It's very similar.
It's a lot more extreme.
It's a lot more extreme.
brendan schaub
That brain and that back.
Just double duty.
Double duty, brother.
bryan callen
Eddie, what are they going to do, though?
Everybody's going to wear a mask for your back.
joe rogan
Eddie, that's like the gi argument.
Why doesn't everybody wear a gi?
eddie bravo
No, it's just, if greasing is illegal because it makes shit too slick, if greasing is illegal, it has none to do with it, if greasing is illegal because it makes shit too greasy, but the problem is, there's no tests for it.
joe rogan
Right, but Rashgard is a foreign substance.
unidentified
So if it's illegal, how do you test for it?
joe rogan
You can test for it.
Rashgard is a foreign substance.
eddie bravo
Tell me about the test, because there is no test, but tell me about the test you know.
brendan schaub
With Vaseline or whatever?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
How do they test?
brendan schaub
Dude, you have a commission following you around from the locker room to the cage.
eddie bravo
But there's no swab and then they put it in.
It's like testing in a cup.
There's no official test that says that you went over the grease limit.
brendan schaub
We can't put grease on your body.
joe rogan
Let me stop this right now.
Because one thing you definitely can do 100% that has been done is you take a mineral oil bath the night before.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
Take a mineral oil bath the night before and then you get into that cage and you don't have anything on.
You took a shower.
You don't have anything on.
You are slippery as fuck.
eddie bravo
Is that right?
brendan schaub
100%.
eddie bravo
100%.
And there's nothing anybody can do about it.
joe rogan
Nothing anyone can do.
eddie bravo
Unless there's an official test.
But there is no official test.
But since girls wear rash guards all the time.
brendan schaub
I don't think it's a huge issue where Dana's going, holy fuck, everyone's slipping out submissions.
We've got to figure something out here.
eddie bravo
Every year the NFL has meetings to change stuff to make the sport more offensive.
They're always figuring out a way.
They're always handicapping the defense.
You know, you can't hit the receiver.
You're always handicapping the defense.
You want more offense as a league.
The same thing can be done for MMA. You get together and go, how do we improve submissions, for instance?
You improve submissions by making them more rash guards.
brendan schaub
They want knockouts.
joe rogan
They want knockouts as much as they want submissions.
eddie bravo
No, exactly.
We do something for the knockouts, too, but you do something for submissions, too.
Every year, you do something a little bit here and there.
Girls wear rash guards all the time.
I'll tell you what.
unidentified
They can't have their tickets.
joe rogan
I'll take rash guards, no gloves for a thousand, Alex.
brendan schaub
Goddammit, no.
No, guys!
bryan callen
What were you saying about headgear?
eddie bravo
Rash guards, no gloves, let's do it.
joe rogan
That'd be perfect.
eddie bravo
You wouldn't have to create this test for this thing that you made legal.
It's illegal, but there's no test.
joe rogan
Because it's not that big of a deal.
eddie bravo
Then why is it illegal?
joe rogan
Why is it illegal?
Hold on, I don't think you're right.
eddie bravo
People grease all the time, dude.
joe rogan
I don't think you're right.
Because I know that Herb Dean tested someone before.
I know Herb Dean took a swab.
He took a swab off someone.
Maybe it's just a test of physics.
eddie bravo
They pat you down.
I don't think it's that much of an advantage either.
joe rogan
It's a crazy advantage.
unidentified
If you're a grappler, if you're a grappler it is.
eddie bravo
Of course, it's a tremendous advantage.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
joe rogan
What did Herb say?
eddie bravo
Try grappling with someone greasy.
joe rogan
What did Herb say?
brendan schaub
Punch him in the face.
joe rogan
You said you talked to Herb.
eddie bravo
He said he's done on-site shit where he'll look and see.
But that doesn't stop a guy from...
joe rogan
How long ago was this?
eddie bravo
Maybe a couple months ago.
Maybe three months ago.
joe rogan
I know there was at least...
eddie bravo
I was asking everyone.
There's no test.
They just...
joe rogan
Lorenz Larkin to Monsoon with the victory.
bryan callen
I think that's a good decision.
brendan schaub
I didn't watch it close enough to judge, but his takedown definitely helped him.
Those two takedowns.
bryan callen
I feel like he landed just a little bit more.
brendan schaub
Amazing fight.
joe rogan
Well, we barely paid attention, let's be honest.
brendan schaub
We're talking about illegal greasing and rash guard.
eddie bravo
All I'm saying, if it's illegal, come up with an official test.
If there's no official test, then the simple answer, have them do what the girls do.
The girls wear tops.
joe rogan
What's interesting with sweat is that with sweat, the conditions naturally change.
They naturally change.
Dependent upon your preparation like that's one of the things where Nate Marquardt fought Paul Harris He wore a rubber suit backstage and Nate like really got super sweaty And then when he went out there to fight he was already sweaty as fuck And so when Paul Harris went for that leg lock Nate was all sweatied up Nate slipped out and Paul Harris started pointing at it and Nate punched his fucking lights up.
brendan schaub
That was great.
One of my favorite fights of all time.
joe rogan
It was great.
It was a great ending Well, it was a great ending.
eddie bravo
You'd like Turkish oil wrestling.
You should check it out.
brendan schaub
I'll Turkish oil the wrestling.
unidentified
They look like you with mustaches.
joe rogan
Those guys reach into each other's pants.
Yeah, it's on YouTube.
And they grab each other's dick and they use each other's dick to manipulate each other.
bryan callen
No Bruno, man.
Where the dick goes, the body will follow.
brendan schaub
I bet you guys want that too.
No gloves and dick grabbing.
joe rogan
What's next?
bryan callen
You should grow a mustache.
unidentified
I like that.
bryan callen
You should grow a thick handlebar mustache.
You'd look good.
I have a question for you.
Headgear, is that science that it actually is worse for you when you're boxing?
joe rogan
It can be worse.
It's not necessarily worse, but it can be worse.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because it makes a larger fulcrum.
Because it's a larger thing and you get clipped and it makes your head spin more.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's also heavy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you have this thing, I don't know, what is a weigh?
Like half a pound, a pound?
It also allows you to take more shots, right?
It makes your head, it's slower for your head to move.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
One of the things about punches is you see them coming, you gotta learn how to roll with shit.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you can't roll with shit if you have this big-ass fucking headgear on.
brendan schaub
But then you can't begin...
It's good for cuts, so you can't get cuts.
joe rogan
Well, but that's just in training.
Which is huge, Joe.
Yeah, but it's not...
I mean, it's...
I think you're better off greasing your fucking head up.
But then there's a problem, because they grease heads up, they grease faces up and shit, and then you take that same grease, and you put it on a dude's chest as you're trying to take him down, and then you grab your arms, you wrap it around, and now you get grease on your arms.
bryan callen
Boxers are part of the sport, man!
joe rogan
How much Vaseline are they using in the UFC these days?
brendan schaub
They're using less and less.
eddie bravo
That's like leftover bullshit boxing shit.
Why do you bring Vaseline all over your fucking face?
joe rogan
It makes punches not cut you.
So they hit you, but they slide off.
Instead of them grazing and scratching with the leather gloves.
Hey, I'm down with that.
I'll say this.
No Vaseline, no gloves.
eddie bravo
Jesus, Joe.
joe rogan
No gloves.
eddie bravo
And rash guard.
You said rash guard.
joe rogan
You could wear rash guards.
I don't think there's a problem with rash guards.
bryan callen
I feel like your bones would cut skin more.
eddie bravo
Are you against rash guard optional?
Are you against that?
Optional?
joe rogan
This is a good fight.
bryan callen
I think you'd be a bad look.
eddie bravo
It's a bad look.
brendan schaub
You could put your fucking Reebok on that.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the Reebok rash guards that can come up with with the red and the black?
unidentified
How dare you.
bryan callen
Loving Kamosi's hair.
joe rogan
This door, Vito Miranda.
Put that in the This dude's a bad motherfucker.
This is a serious fight here.
bryan callen
Is he?
joe rogan
Camosi, Miranda?
unidentified
Yeah, Miranda.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Miranda is a nasty kickbacker.
bryan callen
Where is he from, Miranda?
joe rogan
Brazil.
Man.
brendan schaub
Camosi's so game, it's not even funny.
joe rogan
He's game as fuck.
brendan schaub
And he's been training with Weidman's camp.
bryan callen
Great hair.
brendan schaub
Trains in Denver, and then he's going out to Wyden's camp.
joe rogan
Tough man.
And so is Miranda.
Miranda's a little older, I think.
Miranda, I want to say he's 34, 35, but he's a multiple-time kickboxing champion.
He's a nasty striker.
bryan callen
And a Russian assassin, even though he's from Brazil.
Look at him.
brendan schaub
He's not Russian.
bryan callen
I know, but he looks like a Russian.
brendan schaub
He was a finalist in the Ultimate Fighter of Brazil, remember?
He's a fucking monster.
eddie bravo
He throws babies.
brendan schaub
It's a tough fight for Camozzi.
It's a tough fight for Camozzi Salwise.
joe rogan
Click on his name, please.
bryan callen
Vito Miranda.
joe rogan
So we can find out what his last fights were?
brendan schaub
One KO last fight.
I think last three fights, three finishes.
Am I right?
joe rogan
I can't see that.
brendan schaub
Win, win, win.
joe rogan
Scroll down.
brendan schaub
KO, KO, KO. What's up, son?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Wow, look at that.
joe rogan
Marcelo Guimarez.
Guimarez.
I forget how to say that guy's name.
But he knocked that dude out.
It was nasty.
And Guimarez was a really good striker himself.
And the Clint Hester fight, too.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
So he's only lost that decision in the Ultimate Fighter finale, and he just wrestled him the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Tough fight for Camozzi style-wise.
Camozzi's not a wrestler.
He's not a grappler.
He likes to stand and bang.
joe rogan
You know what, though?
Camozzi's so goddamn tough.
He's just so fucking tough.
He's one of those dudes you just can't count out.
brendan schaub
No, unless he's fighting Jacare.
Jacare said, what?
I'm going to eat that ass up.
Easy paycheck.
Oh, you want it again?
unidentified
So crazy.
brendan schaub
The exact same way?
Oh, I'll do this shit all day!
joe rogan
Yeah, well, those losses, like, you know, you recover from those pretty quick.
brendan schaub
Oh, you're fine.
Fight in the next week.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can fight quick.
brendan schaub
It's Jacare.
It's all good, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That was fucked up twice.
Short notice fights.
The killer Jacare.
joe rogan
Jacare's ground game is so scary.
bryan callen
He tore his meniscus or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got a knee that's a little beat up from training camp for Vitor.
What he did to Vitor was just...
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
He should have taken a fucking corner zone shot and jumped in that fight.
He really should have.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
You know, I almost feel like...
Unless it's really fucked up.
I just feel like, man...
brendan schaub
He's gonna get a title shot.
joe rogan
But he fought against Rockhold, and everybody knows that Rockhold took that last fight with Staff.
It had Staff in his foot, and he's pretty fucked up.
Everybody fights hurt.
You know, you're telling me, like, this opportunity...
I guess maybe he just wasn't...
Maybe he was eating donuts and shit.
brendan schaub
Maybe he just wanted a break, or...
unidentified
Maybe he went on the bomba.
The bomba!
joe rogan
You don't know what that is, do you?
You're laughing.
You don't know what we're talking about.
I don't think he did.
I don't think Jacare did.
It sucks that he didn't take that fight because I think stylistically that's a really interesting matchup.
brendan schaub
It's going to happen though.
joe rogan
Rockhold, they fought.
They fought in Strikeforce and Rockhold won a decision.
bryan callen
I still think the guy who's going to beat both Weidman and Rockhold, any of those guys, is Joel Romero.
joe rogan
Maybe.
bryan callen
He's just so...
joe rogan
Romero beat Jacare.
bryan callen
Yeah, he did, but when you think about Wybin, you think about, of course, his striking, but his wrestling is amazing.
joe rogan
Jacare beat Romero, rather.
That's why he was next in line.
But when Jacare beat Romero, he almost got taken out in that first round, but then he came back and won second and third.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Romero, I think we fucking missed out.
You can keep it up here.
What are you hiding weed for?
Romero missed out in that he's like 30s...
Late 30s.
bryan callen
Like 36, 37. He came late.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We got a hold of Romero when he was like 26. What?
I mean, he was just a goddamn super-duper athlete.
unidentified
He's a beast.
eddie bravo
All natural.
bryan callen
He's a freak.
Well, you know...
I don't know.
But he did beat...
Kale Sanderson, I think twice.
joe rogan
Twice, dude.
bryan callen
You're talking about the Olympic gold medal.
He walked through the...
In that finals against that Korean guy to win the gold medal, he walked through that guy.
It was like he was just crazy, man.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
He was a wrestler.
I mean, I've seen him do stuff inside the octagon, like just his movements.
So like...
When I'm watching fights, you know, up close, and you watch, like, thousands of them, or whatever I've watched at this point, you, like, get used to, like, certain speeds that people move under.
And every now and then, someone will move at a speed that you're like, whoa, my brain's not recognizing this.
Like, how's, like, Barbosa's switch kick?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
My brain just goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck?
I'm good, dude.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Let me see that, Brad.
I think that one of the biggest examples of that is Yoel.
Yoel, the way he moves, the way he throws people around, it's almost like he's not even the same thing as them.
He just tosses guys around like he's just some crazy ass silverback and you're some dude in a rubber gorilla outfit.
bryan callen
It's so weird.
brendan schaub
He lost to Tim.
He lost to Jacare, I think.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't lose to Tim, but he definitely should have been disqualified.
brendan schaub
Definitely cheated, and I thought he lost to Jacare.
joe rogan
He knocked out Tim in the third round, But he should have never made it to the third round.
He was not capable of coming off his stool for the third round.
They should have stopped the fight and they should have given it to Tim Kennedy.
brendan schaub
So I think he should have lost that fight based off that disqualified.
I thought he lost to Jacare.
joe rogan
He definitely lost to Jacare.
He lost the decision.
He definitely did.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he was kind of close, and they failed.
joe rogan
No, I think, well, he almost put Jacare's lights out in the first, that spinning backfist.
brendan schaub
And then after that was...
joe rogan
Thank you, my brother.
brendan schaub
I think you're crazy if he beats...
bryan callen
When Jacare had him in half guard, did you see that?
When he stood right up?
There's something about Joel Moreira where it seemed like Jacare's jiu-jitsu, nothing was going to work.
Yeah, it was a very close fight, but I mean...
joe rogan
He's the ultimate athlete.
He makes other athletes look like fat slobs.
unidentified
He's a freak, man.
brendan schaub
He's a freak.
joe rogan
He makes real athletes.
If you saw, Chris Weidman is a stud athlete.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Chris Weidman standing next to Yoel Romero is like, Chris, why don't you work out?
brendan schaub
Yeah, for real.
bryan callen
Right.
And Chris is a great wrestler.
He's a stud!
brendan schaub
Chris looks like Dallas Buyers Club next to him.
He's just super skinny.
joe rogan
I'm bummed out that he's got a neck injury because I want to see that motherfucker fight.
brendan schaub
It's a great fight.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
The rematch is amazing.
But that neck injury is no joke and I just hope he doesn't do something drastic quickly in order to repair himself quickly enough to get back.
bryan callen
Does he need surgery for the neck or is it just a...
joe rogan
It might not be.
I mean, it sounds similar to the exact injury that I had.
What I had to do is take a long time and you have to do decompression.
I have this neck harness that I hang on a door.
It hangs on a door frame.
It's like I'm hanging myself.
Velcro's in place, I pull it down tight, and I go like this.
Click, click, click, click, click, and I hang on my neck.
What the fuck?
bryan callen
How long does it take?
brendan schaub
Why do we need surgery?
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure why we need surgery.
In doing that, what I just described, over a long period of time, and Regenikine, those two things, it stopped my bulging disc, and it sucked back into my neck.
My disc stuck out, like there was an MRI. When I looked at the disc, And it was like 6mm bulge.
Now I have none.
It went back.
You can do it.
But when you go to doctors, one of the first things you want to do is cut you.
Now obviously, this is super important to talk about, everybody's injury is different.
Because it worked for me, it might not work for you.
Your injury might be worse than mine, and it might get to a point where there's nothing they can do except for surgery.
You don't know that just by talking to some doctors, because some doctors are just ready to cut you.
And they might be right, and they might have had success with it, but that gentleman who's on TV right now is a testament to the fact that it does not always work.
And Boss will tell you, he's had several neck surgeries, and because of that, because of his neck injury, his arm, he has one arm that's atrophy that he calls baby arm.
Because his nerves weren't firing to his arm.
He was impinged.
Here's the argument though, Joe.
brendan schaub
What they're going to ask, Chris's decision would be based off of what's going to get me back faster.
joe rogan
It's probably going to be surgery.
brendan schaub
That's what they're going to tell him anyways.
joe rogan
He's got to think about the future because he's one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet and I think he can get back in action.
But it's an injury and you've got to let it heal up instead of cutting it out.
Now in Eddie's case, Eddie's got a totally different case.
Eddie's disc is gone.
eddie bravo
It's gone.
I'm bone to bone.
unidentified
It's just gone.
eddie bravo
My lower back is in a constant state of inflammation.
It's been like that for maybe eight years.
I've tried fucking everything.
And he also has time though, Joe.
And I finally got my MRI. People kept saying, get an MRI. And I tried everything fucking.
Chiropractor, all this shit.
Acupuncture.
And...
Finally, I got an MRI and the MRI shows, I mean, any fool can see there is no disc there.
It's bone to bone.
You're in a constant state of inflammation because I would stop working out.
Once I started having back spasms and my back felt like it was just going to completely cut out, I stopped working out altogether.
And in two months, I still felt like I did deadlifts the fucking day before.
brendan schaub
Miranda's back probably isn't great.
He's 37. Yeah, he's 37. I had no idea.
I thought he was a young dude.
joe rogan
No, I think he was 35 when he was on The Ultimate Fighter.
brendan schaub
Good for him.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he's a stud.
But, you know, hormonally, the thing is, when you get to be that age, it's like you're dealing with a reduced level of testosterone unless you're, like, super...
brendan schaub
Vitor saying preach.
joe rogan
Super on point with your diet, super on point with your rest, super on point with consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol.
That's very important if you want to have a natural testosterone production.
And this is something that I really get pissed off when people...
Start talking about the dangers of saturated fats.
You're preaching some outdated nonsense, some non-scientific bullshit that people have said, and they've said it to demonize meat consumption.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And meat consumption, look, scientifically, it's not bad.
What's bad is ethically.
I think we all agree that factory farming is bad ethically.
But when it comes to scientific consumption, saturated fats are super important for testosterone production.
Super important for brain function.
Cholesterol.
Not just cholesterol produced by the body, but dietary cholesterol.
Which, by the way, apparently barely moves the needle on blood lipids.
That's a big misnomer.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
There's a new science.
brendan schaub
That's new, huh?
bryan callen
Well, yeah.
Eating the yolk of the egg is not going to move the needle in terms of what you're going to eat.
brendan schaub
It's good for you.
joe rogan
That's where most of the nutrients are.
I just got five new chickies.
I got five little baby chicks.
brendan schaub
Oh, from the other chickens.
eddie bravo
You got a little farm, man.
joe rogan
You've never seen love.
eddie bravo
You're eating your own chicken?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, no, I don't eat them.
No, no.
eddie bravo
You don't eat your own chicken?
joe rogan
No, they're pets.
They're like pets.
We pick them up and play with them and stuff.
bryan callen
Remember one thing about factory farming, though?
brendan schaub
Your father names them and shit?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, there's no way we're eating them.
brendan schaub
You can't eat Greg.
joe rogan
They've died.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They've died.
We don't eat them.
eddie bravo
I'm fucking shocked.
joe rogan
No, I don't eat them.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
No, they're pets.
eddie bravo
Amazing.
brendan schaub
Joe can be nice.
joe rogan
Well, they're pets, man.
eddie bravo
I just thought it was about raising your own food, raise your own chickens.
You raise them to eat them.
I thought that was the ethical way.
And he's going, shit.
joe rogan
I hardly ever eat chicken.
brendan schaub
No, you're using them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I wouldn't eat them.
Because we have a different kind of relationship.
The relationship that I have with them is that they're egg layers and they're our little friends.
Like, we go in there and my daughter picks them up.
eddie bravo
Do they have different personalities or are they all the same?
joe rogan
No, they have different personalities.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
They're like cats.
joe rogan
They're like...
One of them is really smart and she knows when you...
Actually, my dog killed that one.
But we had one that was really smart and she would pick up the...
The dog got in the chicken coop, man.
It's so funny.
And the smart one died?
Yeah, the smart one died, unfortunately.
The smart one wanted to have the lowest perch.
I guess she wasn't that smart.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
The smart one might be the dumbass.
eddie bravo
There was a smart one?
joe rogan
Yeah, she knew to follow me around and she knew that if anybody picked up rocks, that my wife would lift up rocks and she would go under there to get the bugs.
She knew.
She followed you around waiting for you to pick up rocks for her.
bryan callen
Smart little chicken.
joe rogan
Wow.
The other ones are too stupid to figure it out.
eddie bravo
You kind of understand a little bit my obsession with my bunny, remember like five years ago?
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
joe rogan
Listen, I totally understand.
eddie bravo
People thought I was nuts.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
eddie bravo
I was obsessed.
I had a bunny, and I was obsessed with it, man.
I was in love with it.
Dude, I was fucking 41. 41 in love with a rabbit?
In love with a bunny, dude.
unidentified
What?
eddie bravo
I was in love with it.
joe rogan
Oh, Camosi!
eddie bravo
I was.
joe rogan
Oh, Camozzi!
brendan schaub
Elbows, son.
joe rogan
Camozzi tagged him, dude, with a straight left hand.
bryan callen
When I was doing this show, and one of the guys, the second AD, had an African gray parrot, I think, or it was a cockatoo, and he had it for 17 years.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
He and his wife got in an argument.
The parrot was on the ground.
He stepped on the parrot and killed it.
After 17 years, man.
And he came, and I had macaws, so I knew what he was going through.
And he came to work, and he was all bunched up.
And my friend was like, it's a fucking bird.
I go, dude, it's not just a bird, bro.
They're really smart, and it was like his...
brendan schaub
He killed his best friend.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Stepped on his neck.
bryan callen
He stepped on it while arguing with his wife.
He's like, you bitch, and another thing.
joe rogan
And crack!
bryan callen
Like, he's like, oh no!
unidentified
What the fuck?
bryan callen
What did you make me do?
You made me do this.
17 years!
He had the bird way before he met her.
joe rogan
He played her.
Oh, Miranda with the takedown.
Kamozi.
Scramble, scramble.
Hips out, hips out, hips out.
Get that fucking left leg.
Oh, be careful.
bryan callen
Be careful, knee bar.
Be careful, knee bar.
joe rogan
Doesn't look that slick.
I don't like it.
This might be an improvisational knee bar.
Get out of there!
bryan callen
Get out of there, everybody!
brendan schaub
Scissor sisters, it's good defense right here.
joe rogan
This is a Purple Bell 50-50.
bryan callen
There you go.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it really is.
unidentified
It is, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
His defense with the one arm's good.
eddie bravo
No, it's not the same 50-50.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
The defense on the one arm's quality.
joe rogan
I mean, it is in terms of nothing's going to happen.
brendan schaub
No, Kamosi doesn't have it.
eddie bravo
You know, Kamosi got something.
brendan schaub
He's trying to set it up.
eddie bravo
Kamosi got something.
If he wants it, he fucking definitely has something.
If he knows what he's doing...
Do you think he does?
He has a lot.
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Well, if you're Gary Tonin, yeah, he's going to be fine.
eddie bravo
Oh, I don't know.
unidentified
That's interesting.
eddie bravo
Chris Kamosi.
joe rogan
How hard are those elbows to the thigh from that position?
How much does that suck?
brendan schaub
No one's ever...
I've never had a...
Done.
joe rogan
Because you would think that a guy who's got really good elbows could seriously fuck your leg up.
Ouch!
You see what I'm saying?
Miranda has got some serious elbows.
And I'm watching him and I'm like, I bet this guy could fuck your legs up.
brendan schaub
This is interesting because Camozzi has got a nice jab there.
We've never seen a situation like this exactly in the UFC. He could release that body lock and jump the mouth maybe.
bryan callen
Release the body lock!
Release the body lock!
joe rogan
You know what's rare is the way Camozzi is punching him in the face from the bottom.
brendan schaub
And fucking him up.
eddie bravo
He's fucking him up with that right hand.
Generally you think, oh, you go for leg locks, guy's going to punch you.
Rarely do people say, get a leg lock position, but instead of finishing him, because Camozzi is in an offensive position, he could go after that heel.
joe rogan
What's going on?
eddie bravo
He's punching the guy back.
joe rogan
What's going on is Miranda can't move backwards.
See, this is what's going on.
Miranda's trapped.
Camozzi can move his body forward and back, whereas Miranda can't.
Oh, now Camozzi's trying to lock it in.
eddie bravo
Oh, time's out.
joe rogan
Camozzi hit him with some hard rifles.
brendan schaub
I wonder how the refs are going to score that.
joe rogan
Well, you should actually give it to Camozzi.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah, give that round to Camozzi.
joe rogan
Well, not just that, that position.
Even though Miranda's above him, you have to understand who's close to getting something done and who's being more effective.
brendan schaub
Oh, Camozzi had a heel hook.
joe rogan
He had a potential heel hook.
brendan schaub
And then he also punched him in the face.
joe rogan
The big thing was the punches in the face.
Even though Miranda's on top, Camozzi's tagging him with that right hand.
brendan schaub
Camozzi also...
Made that position happen.
He wasn't put on bottom.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Which is a big deal.
eddie bravo
There's a new level of leg lock game that John Danaher put together that's a very, very important part of jiu-jitsu right now.
And 10 planets all over it, man.
We've taken the leg lock game to the next fucking level within ourselves.
brendan schaub
You don't see a lot of it in the UFC now.
eddie bravo
No, no, you're seeing it.
joe rogan
How about Ryan Hall?
eddie bravo
Yeah, you're seeing it.
That's his go-to.
You know what you're going to see that's different?
brendan schaub
That's his shit.
eddie bravo
The one thing that you're going to see that's different is leg lock battles against the cage.
There's a whole different thing.
There's going to be moves.
brendan schaub
Damn, don't you try to do rash guards and leg lock battles in the UFC now?
joe rogan
That's a super good point.
No, Eddie, that's a super good point because they can't go anywhere.
unidentified
That's the future.
eddie bravo
I'm telling you about the future and you're sitting here talking about the present.
unidentified
See, Eddie, Eddie Bravo.
joe rogan
Miranda's got some nasty, smooth kickboxing.
unidentified
Ouch.
bryan callen
By the way, look at that leg.
Look at that inside knee.
joe rogan
Well, the inside leg kick, he's attacking the knee itself.
The last three strikes have gone right on there.
bryan callen
It looks like he's got skinny knees there.
joe rogan
Kamosi's made out of iron.
The fucking kid's a stud.
brendan schaub
He's iron, man.
bryan callen
Nobody's knees are.
Your knees are not made for sports.
How about that?
brendan schaub
Go ahead and kick the knee.
That's all bone, son.
joe rogan
Well, Miranda's been slamming his shin into the outside and the inside of that knee.
bryan callen
Ouch.
Ouch.
joe rogan
The mushy parts.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's definitely...
It looks a little...
bryan callen
Miranda.
unidentified
Miranda.
bryan callen
Inside knee!
joe rogan
Yeah, but why is that one okay?
If people are upset about attacking the knee, that one is almost as devastating.
Especially the outside low kick like Ernesto Who style, like right on the knee.
eddie bravo
By the way, I flip-flopped.
I'm for stopping the knee strike.
joe rogan
I love flip-flopping.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I thought about what you were saying this whole time.
unidentified
I thought about what you were saying, Brandon, this whole time.
bryan callen
I flip-flopping.
eddie bravo
You know what?
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Fucking what?
joe rogan
It's a sweep.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Beautiful, beautiful sweep.
bryan callen
Don't ever bring that shit into my gym again.
joe rogan
Comozzi on top.
bryan callen
With those fucking leg kicks.
eddie bravo
How are they going to walk with their grandchildren?
People don't think about that.
bryan callen
They never think about that.
brendan schaub
There you go, Eddie.
joe rogan
Miranda's got a maze to get to his dick.
bryan callen
Buy a fucking ivory-handled cane.
joe rogan
Look at Miranda's left leg.
It's a maze to get to his dick.
You go in, and you gotta follow the line.
unidentified
Follow this.
bryan callen
Follow the breadcrumbs.
eddie bravo
It's the grandfather clause.
joe rogan
He's got a maize!
There's a maize on his left hand.
benjamin jaffe
Can you imagine him saying that in a Brazilian accent?
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
I wanna show a girl from my knee a maize all the way to my cock.
bryan callen
All the way.
brendan schaub
It's like mousetrap.
joe rogan
Just go north.
You find the way.
bryan callen
A lot of body art on both sides.
brendan schaub
It's like a rat.
There's no cheese at the end.
eddie bravo
Openly gay play-by-play commentator.
Commentate this fight.
brendan schaub
Oh, don't do this.
Oh, good.
eddie bravo
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Brazilian.
Brazilian.
bryan callen
This guy's hard.
joe rogan
He's so strong.
unidentified
Brazilian.
bryan callen
I mean, it's all of my...
unidentified
They're wearing oil?
joe rogan
It's not even oil.
bryan callen
He don't have questions.
joe rogan
I'll be answering you.
It's just sweat.
It's not oil.
bryan callen
Sweat for the body on body like that?
joe rogan
No, no.
They're just working out really hard and their body heats up.
bryan callen
All the heat, yeah?
Why are they so strong?
joe rogan
Well, because they're fighting other men.
They have to be strong.
Otherwise, you get your ass kicked and you want to protect your joints and all that stuff.
bryan callen
But sometimes, you know, maybe the clothes come off or something.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, you know, their clothes are on pretty tight.
They got quality Reebok gear on here and cups and stuff.
Everything's fine.
You don't have to worry about that.
bryan callen
Okay.
You are smelling good.
joe rogan
Dude, I didn't shower all day and I just got back from bear hunting.
bryan callen
Smell like bear and the forest.
You smell like the forest.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Vitor Miranda.
Cut over the left eye.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Tell you what, Chris is doing well, man.
joe rogan
Kamosi working on this grappling.
brendan schaub
Handling, really.
joe rogan
Well, you know, you know as well as anybody that the gaps in grappling are the hardest to close for some reason.
Well, you know, not the hardest.
I shouldn't say the hardest.
Every gap is a hard gap to close.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
You say striking, but not necessarily in the case of a guy like Damian Maia to a guy who's a good high school wrestler.
You're never closing that gap in your lifetime.
You're going to have to become obsessed with jiu-jitsu and live on the mats for the next 10 years to even get in his neighborhood.
brendan schaub
That's a good point, because there's guys like Alistair Overeem who's just on...
joe rogan
Look at this!
Ben Brothwell, Fabricio Verdum added to 203 in Cleveland.
Good googly moogly.
Isn't that crazy?
I like that fight, by the way.
brendan schaub
And you got Stipe Overeem as the main event.
joe rogan
I like that fight, too.
bryan callen
So why is there not an automatic rematch for...
eddie bravo
Everybody doesn't get an automatic rematch.
bryan callen
I don't know why the UFC doesn't do that.
joe rogan
Because it was a KO. There's a lot of people waiting in line, like Overeem.
I want to see the Overeem-Stipe fight as much as I want to see any fight in the UFC other than the Kane and Verdum rematch.
I want to see Kane-Verdum see level.
unidentified
I want to see that.
joe rogan
I want to see Kane.
I want to see Kane in great shape.
I think I still maintain that I've seen, like, again, this is just coming to movements and what you see inside fights.
I think Kane, like, in the second fight with Junior Dos Santos, I think that is right up there in my eyes with Fedor's fight with Crow Cop, where you're just seeing a mauling by a better animal against an animal in his prime.
brendan schaub
Probably the best Kane we've ever seen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that, He came after a loss.
What I really would have wanted more than anything else in the history of the heavyweight division is that Kane versus that Fedor.
Fedor versus Krokop versus Kane Jr. too.
brendan schaub
That's sick.
joe rogan
That would be the ultimate who's the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Because right now, then it's just become speculation.
You know, after Kane gets a back injury and two knee surgeries and shoulder surgeries, you gotta go, how much of him does he have left?
I mean, how much are we seeing?
Are we seeing the same Kane that fought Junior Dos Santos?
Are we seeing the same Kane that ran through guys on the way up to the title, that ran through Rothwell?
I don't know if we are.
brendan schaub
Especially with his style.
joe rogan
Yeah, styles just break everything, including himself.
He's just bulldog.
brendan schaub
And training.
joe rogan
Mental toughness, ferocious individual born to fight, and the body just can't keep up with the mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So to me, those are the two.
That's number one and number two.
But then Kane and Fedor were both submitted by Verdun.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
Both of them.
Verdum submitted the three greatest heavyweights of all time.
brendan schaub
Dude, you could argue Verdum's the greatest heavyweight of all time.
joe rogan
You could argue it.
brendan schaub
You really can.
joe rogan
You could.
brendan schaub
Look who he's beat.
joe rogan
Stipe just shut the fucking show off, so you can't argue that anymore.
brendan schaub
No, you still can't.
You can't base it off one fight.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
It's not the product.
joe rogan
You can argue it.
And also, Verdum, realistically, is in his late 30s and clean.
bryan callen
What's going on over here?
Why are they stopping the fight?
Oh, it's cut.
It's cut.
brendan schaub
Ooh, that's a bad one above the eye.
joe rogan
Isn't that bad?
brendan schaub
I'm saying it's thick.
He's gonna be fine.
joe rogan
He says he's good.
Oh yeah, it looks nasty.
brendan schaub
Yeah, just...
joe rogan
Don't worry about it, doctor.
unidentified
Don't be a pussy.
brendan schaub
You got this, doc.
joe rogan
Smile.
Smile, Vito.
bryan callen
Come on.
joe rogan
That doctor's a UFC doctor.
unidentified
One more round, right?
joe rogan
That motherfucker is from Vegas.
He's not letting anything get stopped.
brendan schaub
Oh, he says, nah, he can die, bitch.
joe rogan
Stop saying that.
brendan schaub
If his eye was falling off, nah, you good.
joe rogan
He's not saying that.
We're an eye patch.
bryan callen
We're an eye patch.
eddie bravo
He's got to let it go.
No doctor's going to stop that kind of shit.
It's got to be disgusting.
Like the crowd's got to go.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
Like your ear's got to fall off.
joe rogan
Comozzi's kickboxing is very good, man.
Very good.
I'm really impressed.
It's like his kickboxing has gotten smoother.
His timing has gotten better.
And it must be because he was really concentrating on it knowing he was going to fight Miranda.
brendan schaub
I think that, and then he also went to the East Coast training with Ray Longo and Weidman.
And then going back to Denver.
bryan callen
Look at this jab, man.
joe rogan
Ray Longo is an excellent coach.
bryan callen
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
Camosy with the takedown.
Kamosi's such a good dude, too, man.
brendan schaub
Great guy.
joe rogan
Both guys are.
Miranda's a really nice guy, too.
brendan schaub
Kamosi's been fighting forever, man.
On the Denver scene, he was kind of like the first guy who was just doing the damn thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and again, not particularly physically gifted, just fucking smart and tough.
bryan callen
How old is Kamosi?
I thought he was younger than that.
joe rogan
Well, he's been around.
I think he's 34. Is he 34?
brendan schaub
34, 35, but he has a shitload of experience.
joe rogan
Powerful side control.
bryan callen
And great hair.
He's got shop hair.
brendan schaub
It's the Denver water.
joe rogan
And Vito Miranda on his back.
This is not good for the third round.
No.
brendan schaub
No.
bryan callen
Miranda.
brendan schaub
Great job by Kamosi.
joe rogan
Kamosi clenched down.
Cover his face.
Stop the breathe.
bryan callen
Eddie.
joe rogan
Cover his face.
bryan callen
Go for head and arm.
unidentified
Your fucking skin.
joe rogan
From here.
And compress.
bryan callen
It's as smooth as saddle that I do.
joe rogan
Compress.
bryan callen
Congratulations.
Look at his skin.
joe rogan
He gets exfoliated with a lot of gi training.
bryan callen
Are you doing any facial stuff?
I gotta get a facial.
joe rogan
Got a gi training.
bryan callen
He's got nice skin.
eddie bravo
I give myself facials.
joe rogan
I give myself.
brendan schaub
Eddie has the best skin here.
bryan callen
Look at his skin.
joe rogan
He's got beautiful skin.
eddie bravo
Come on.
What are you talking about?
bryan callen
How old are you?
Look at how full his mouth is.
You've had a lot of work done.
unidentified
Let's go easy, B. You've had a lot of work done.
brendan schaub
Thank you.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
If you're serious.
bryan callen
I am serious.
I am.
eddie bravo
Maybe you're just being gay with me because you want to be funny.
bryan callen
Well, both, but you do look good.
joe rogan
Miranda back up to his feet.
eddie bravo
Well, thank you.
joe rogan
Miranda got back to his feet and needed a body.
brendan schaub
He's exhausted.
eddie bravo
I'm turned on as well.
That helps.
bryan callen
Your hands, look at the size of them.
You could probably do anything.
Oh!
brendan schaub
I got in there over the top.
bryan callen
You better not hold me down.
joe rogan
Jesus, Miranda taking down, controlled, still throwing head kicks.
Miranda's going for it, man.
Oh shit!
brendan schaub
Wrestle him.
joe rogan
This is a frantic fight.
Here's another thing to take into consideration.
Time limits.
Time limits for rounds, they impose a different style of fighting.
More sense of urgency.
Better entertainment.
Better entertainment.
But, are we sacrificing reality for entertainment?
bryan callen
I don't know if it would make better fights.
I think you actually, under confines and boundaries, you can still have the same kind of excitement, or maybe more excitement.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
But if the goal is reality, you put...
One 30-minute round.
bryan callen
Hey, come on, man.
You're out of line, dude.
joe rogan
You're crazy.
bryan callen
This is too much.
joe rogan
You're crazy.
No, I'm a visionary.
brendan schaub
You want, like, the Hunger Games shit.
joe rogan
I'm a visionary.
bryan callen
A football field.
Trust me.
unidentified
Trust me.
eddie bravo
If you want reality, you throw, like, trash cans in there and hookers.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
And, like, bombs laying on the side.
joe rogan
I'm not looking for reality.
I'm looking for the least amount of No one in reality trains for a street fight for six weeks.
We're not talking about reality.
We're talking about the purest form of the competition.
bryan callen
Dude, Frank Mir on our podcast said that he just recently started warming up because he considered a fight in the octagon.
He was looking at it as practice for a real street fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, well Frank Mir's a maniac who walks around like an armed fucking weapon.
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
Straight up.
He's a maniac.
bryan callen
Very ready for the zombie apocalypse.
brendan schaub
He's one concussion away from doing some crazy shit, I think.
bryan callen
All of us would be running for the gun store.
Frank would be like, I've been ready.
I've been waiting for this moment my whole life.
joe rogan
Great guy is the best way to cap it in that sentence.
brendan schaub
I do love him.
As soon as I said that, I was like, well, he's the best.
joe rogan
He is a great guy.
brendan schaub
Nah, I love Frank Mayer.
Can't have 60 guns on you, though.
bryan callen
Yes, you can.
joe rogan
Even one is...
Oh, look at this!
Camozzi with the uppercut and Miranda tries a wheel kick.
This is a crazy fight.
We're missing it.
brendan schaub
Frank Mayer's the most dangerous man on the planet.
joe rogan
I'd be going nuts right now.
You know one thing I really worry about?
That all the years of yelling in the UFC have strengthened my vocal cords.
My vocal cords will get out of shape if I stop commentating.
unidentified
Or will they blow out?
joe rogan
I don't yell like that.
I don't know.
But the yelling is a fucking 100% natural.
I don't even realize I'm doing it until it's out of my mouth already.
bryan callen
You've never lost your passion for the fight.
eddie bravo
I don't know how many times...
unidentified
I just don't know.
joe rogan
I just keep screaming.
eddie bravo
I don't know how many times I've said this, but yesterday I did a podcast with Nick the Tooth.
I did his podcast.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
brendan schaub
Good guy.
eddie bravo
Great guy.
Anytime you come up...
bryan callen
What's that, buddy?
I got more wine.
I got two more bottles.
eddie bravo
Damn, son.
brendan schaub
You got cheese, too?
eddie bravo
I laid on thick for 10 minutes how much better of a commentator you are than anybody out there.
I mean, no one even fucking comes close.
Bryan Stan's good.
Kenny Florian's good.
I like him.
brendan schaub
There ain't no Rogan, man.
eddie bravo
But there ain't no Rogan out there.
joe rogan
That's very nice.
eddie bravo
You can't throw it down like you.
You can't.
brendan schaub
Well, because he has personality and knowledge.
eddie bravo
When you guys start talking about UFC, I feel like I'm fucking lower than an amateur.
brendan schaub
You feel like that smart chicken.
eddie bravo
I'll just let you guys talk.
Holy shit, you guys retain a lot more than I do.
joe rogan
Well, I have only UFC in my head.
I don't have any other...
eddie bravo
No, you got kickboxing and boxing like a motherfucker.
When are you watching this shit?
unidentified
How are you watching Game of Thrones?
eddie bravo
And doing podcasts three times a week.
brendan schaub
And then have a neurosurgeon on.
eddie bravo
You got a family and kids that you spend a lot of quality time with.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's part of the Illuminati.
eddie bravo
How the fuck are you watching kickboxing and boxing?
joe rogan
He's a robot.
And Bellator and all that shit.
Here's how I look at it.
What the fuck is going on here?
Do you sleep?
unidentified
Yeah, I sleep.
brendan schaub
I feel like he has some supplement we don't know about.
joe rogan
If I have the option of sleeping eight hours a night and not watching fights or sleeping six hours a night and watching fights, I'll take the six hours.
I watch two hours of fights and then I go to sleep.
eddie bravo
Is that what you do?
joe rogan
I love it, yeah, I love fights.
eddie bravo
You watch fights before you go to sleep?
joe rogan
All the time.
eddie bravo
Holy shit, I never do that.
joe rogan
All the time.
I have everything.
eddie bravo
I fucking never do that.
unidentified
I have everything.
eddie bravo
I watch conspiracy theory documentaries.
joe rogan
Oh, see, that's why I'm...
brendan schaub
Well, that's fucking weird.
joe rogan
That's why you're paranoid and I'm happy.
eddie bravo
You're out there killing bears and shit!
You're like, fuck the octagon!
I need to fucking kill gigantic monsters!
joe rogan
That's how I get my meat, sir.
Do enough for meat, sir.
Ethical meat acquisition, sir.
Eating bear?
I'll cook you some bear.
unidentified
That's what it is!
eddie bravo
This motherfucker watches two hours of fights every night.
No wonder he's killing bears.
joe rogan
It all makes sense now.
You're killing elk!
I always want to watch small organizations.
eddie bravo
You're like, fuck a wrestler.
I want a fucking bear.
brendan schaub
Fuck a wrestler.
unidentified
You want to kill the motherfucker they refer to?
brendan schaub
Kamosi, easily won this.
joe rogan
Kamosi gets this?
brendan schaub
You're like a bear.
eddie bravo
You're like, fuck him, I want the real bear.
brendan schaub
It's not even close.
unidentified
3027. Kamosi!
joe rogan
Powerful Kamosi!
brendan schaub
Great fucking win.
joe rogan
Very nice.
Very nice.
You know what, man?
brendan schaub
You watch boxing and everything?
joe rogan
This is what I'm attracted to.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
I just go with what I'm attracted to.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
I love watching Muay Thai.
I've been watching a lot of Muay Thai lately.
brendan schaub
Do you go on waves, though?
Yeah, I go on waves.
I go on waves, and then I have to do that boxing.
So for like two weeks, I was balls deep in boxing, which is so much fun, man.
But then...
I'll take a break from fighting, then I'm balls deep in cars.
joe rogan
Well, dude, I will go days and days of watching hours and hours of archery every day.
I watch hours and hours of dudes shooting arrows every day.
brendan schaub
Hey, sir, that's weird.
That's fucking weird.
joe rogan
Well, it is weird until you start shooting things with bows and arrows.
And you realize, like, you've got to be really good at archery to kill a fucking elk.
brendan schaub
You miss with a bear.
It's game over, son.
eddie bravo
When the shit hits the pan, I'm going to go find Joe Rogan.
brendan schaub
Really?
eddie bravo
I know.
You're going to be my fucking master.
When the shit hits the pan, we're going to Joe Rogan's fucking house.
joe rogan
Well, I'm not doing it for that reason, but I know how to do it.
Like, I can tell you where animals would likely be more than most people.
eddie bravo
You will be my leader.
brendan schaub
And you listen to hunting podcasts.
I will listen to you, Joe.
On the winds of Iowa for six hours.
joe rogan
No, not just listen to Honey Podcast.
You look at my podcast, like all my podcasts, it's all like antlers and skulls and shit.
All of it.
Of course to fight with the kids on there.
unidentified
You know what?
bryan callen
Gentlemen, I'm so upset.
joe rogan
I'm with you all the time.
I'm not listening to your shit.
I'll start criticizing...
eddie bravo
You're gonna lead the most powerful apocalyptic crew ever.
joe rogan
I'm gonna lead him right to the Yellowstone where the fucking super volcano is gonna blow.
I'm like we want to be like right there when it blows.
bryan callen
I'm so sorry to interrupt.
brendan schaub
You can't go to Joe's.
He looks too far.
unidentified
I'm just going to keep you, because if you're going to be a leader, you need to get them leg locks together.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
So I'll be right there.
joe rogan
I'm going to bring you in.
eddie bravo
I'm going to update you on all that shit.
joe rogan
We need someone to hold pads, too.
bryan callen
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
But I ain't hunting.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you say that, but you would like it.
eddie bravo
You're going to pay me.
bryan callen
You're privates.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm cool.
Listen, here's the good thing.
An elk is 400 pounds.
unidentified
There we go.
joe rogan
If you kill an elk, it's feet.
I got two commercial freezers back there filled with elk meat.
unidentified
You got that sausage back there?
bryan callen
I need more.
brendan schaub
What's up, dog?
Is it frozen, though?
bryan callen
I need more.
brendan schaub
Is it frozen though?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's frozen and solid.
Well, I want to eat it.
I might have some...
Do we have any of the elk?
The summer sausage?
That's not frozen?
bryan callen
Gentlemen, we're drinking at Bell Pugio.
unidentified
I'll be drinking at Bell Pugio.
eddie bravo
I'll stab him, motherfuckers.
brendan schaub
Hey, Mayweather just tweeted that.
joe rogan
What?
Mayweather, Connor, live on pay-per-view?
Mayweather just tweeted that?
brendan schaub
It's supposed to be in November.
joe rogan
It doesn't have a date.
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Is this serious?
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Check this out, Joe.
So I was with the boxing community this past weekend.
unidentified
This is for real?
brendan schaub
This is for real.
This is happening.
unidentified
Oh my God.
brendan schaub
Investors in Mayweather's camp.
eddie bravo
When did you know about this?
When did you find out about this?
brendan schaub
Last night.
Investors in Mayweather's camp, they're like really big in this promotion.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Say it's going to happen in probably November.
And they don't know shit about MMA. They're like, oh, do you know Conor McGregor?
I'm like, I should slap the fuck out of both of you.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bryan callen
This is insane.
I think Dana White, Matt, Sarah, and Nick LeTooth just rode a bull.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did ride a bull.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dana, they're going to do stand-up on Sunday night at the Laugh Factor.
You're on the show, right?
bryan callen
I guess so, yeah.
joe rogan
I couldn't be on it because I'm ramping up for my special in a few weeks.
brendan schaub
You big time.
bryan callen
Well, they want me to come in.
joe rogan
I had to do Brea.
No, I'm doing Brea.
I'm doing the improv.
I have two sold-out shows.
bryan callen
I'm coming in on Saturday to help them, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
You going to help anybody more than anybody else?
You going to throw anybody any fucking fake advice?
bryan callen
Sure, why not?
No, I'll help both.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Make sure you jack him off for me, too.
joe rogan
I would not want to be in an insult contest with Matt Serra.
I think Matt Serra is probably going to be really good at stand-up.
Dana White is super used to public speaking, and I think Nick DeTooth does a lot of drugs, so this should be a lot of fun.
unidentified
It could be weird.
joe rogan
Plus, Nick is like an open-minded, very smart dude.
brendan schaub
Really smart guy.
unidentified
Nick the Tooth is one of the coolest fucking guys I've ever got.
bryan callen
He's one of the best guys ever.
brendan schaub
He's a sweetheart.
unidentified
He's so goddamn cool.
joe rogan
He's so cool.
unidentified
Never met him.
brendan schaub
Love that guy.
He's a sweetheart.
joe rogan
He's real smart, open-minded.
He's a really interesting cat.
eddie bravo
And he's really good at jiu-jitsu, too.
bryan callen
I'm psyched to help him.
joe rogan
He's like a high purple belt level, right?
eddie bravo
He's in tremendous shape.
He's in his 40s.
He's my age.
Tremendous shape.
joe rogan
Really careful with his diet.
eddie bravo
He's tight with Hoffa Mendez.
They're like bros and shitly.
He trains with him.
joe rogan
The Mendez brothers are so fucking technical.
God damn it.
I went on a jujitsu rap page a couple months ago and I watched a lot of...
One of those phases?
I watched a lot of rolling.
I watched him roll with...
It was him or Guy.
Who rolled with Jake Shields?
Where they put a video of it online.
eddie bravo
It was Hoffa.
unidentified
Hoffa.
joe rogan
And Hoffa was just...
Just impenetrable.
Impenetrable off his back, and then once he swept Jake, and he got his back, I'm like, Jesus Christ, you're seeing just this laser samurai-shored scalpels fucking sharpness of technique.
Fascinating to watch.
It's this, like, small guy.
Not small, but, I mean, in comparison to Jake.
I mean, Jake's probably 190 in a pretty strong style.
brendan schaub
High 180s, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, high 180s.
And maybe Hoffa's, like, 160?
Right?
What would you say?
eddie bravo
Just a killer.
Walk around, I would say 160. This movie looks scary as fuck, by the way.
Yeah, 160. But he does Abu Dhabi, 145, same day.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
So he's not a big guy.
joe rogan
He's not a big guy at all.
eddie bravo
But he's strong like a big guy.
I've seen roles with him and Andre Galvao.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's world class.
eddie bravo
You know what it is, man?
Andre Galvao's like 200 pounds.
And world class.
And Hoppe's right there.
brendan schaub
And on that acai.
eddie bravo
You can't pass Hoppe's guard.
brendan schaub
They bomba.
joe rogan
They bomba.
brendan schaub
On that Brazilian beef jerky.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
There's strength that you develop from repetitive technique.
If you look at someone's body, here's a perfect example.
Michael McDonald.
You know that dude.
Fights in the UFC. He's 21. Maybe he's 22 now.
brendan schaub
A youngster.
joe rogan
Wicked knockout artist, man.
Wicked.
But if you looked at his body, you would never know.
But there's a strength in his ability to execute particular techniques.
Bang!
He's just got that groove carved in his synapses.
And when he unleashes shots, man, they're just ferocious bombs.
brendan schaub
Bro.
joe rogan
And you know, like, here's a perfect example.
Honey Yaya.
Honey Yaya's not a big guy, but that motherfucker gets your neck and he's a fucking squeeze.
brendan schaub
Bro, Sage Northcutt!
unidentified
They got that squeeze!
brendan schaub
Bro, think of Sage Northcutt.
His dad at like six had him fucking hiking up mountains with tires.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's 19. He's jacked!
bryan callen
At 19!
joe rogan
But there's baby strength.
There's 19 strength.
No, no, no.
Not compared to Randy Couture.
Randy Couture's got I'm going to fuck you strength.
brendan schaub
That hold your wrist.
joe rogan
I'm going to fuck you.
unidentified
Fair play, sir.
joe rogan
You know, those young guys just don't have that.
brendan schaub
Shane Carlin had that all fucking day.
unidentified
I'm sure he did.
bryan callen
Well, Frank, Shane Carlin's also 285 pounds.
joe rogan
But I mean, there's like some ridiculous grapple strength that certain dudes have, right?
brendan schaub
For sure.
Jake Shields has that.
eddie bravo
There's a squeeze to be developed in every choke.
It's not just...
If you have a squeeze in one choke, it doesn't mean...
joe rogan
How about Marcelo?
Marcelo's a perfect example.
brendan schaub
No, Krohn Gracie.
joe rogan
Krohn Gracie is Gracie.
bryan callen
I think Brennan Schaub has that kind of strength.
joe rogan
But Brennan's also a gorilla.
Yeah, but there's a thing about Krohn is that Krohn looks physically imposing.
Like when Krohn doesn't have his shirt off, you go, when he has his shirt off, rather, you look at him and you go, well, that kid is obviously doing something.
He's obviously doing some gymnastics.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you want to think his grip is like fucking...
joe rogan
Ridiculous.
bryan callen
Ridiculous.
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Dude, ridiculous.
I saw Krohn, there's a video of him doing this shit on Venice Beach, or Santa Monica Beach, where he's swinging and flying to the air and catching the next bar, and then swinging and flying to the air.
See if you can find that, Jamie.
brendan schaub
He's also a dime piece.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's also a really good looking guy.
joe rogan
He's also a very smart kid.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Runs Krohn Academy there in Culver City.
joe rogan
He's killing it.
And principled.
bryan callen
I've seen our boy over here take some pretty big heavyweights and do whatever he wants to.
joe rogan
Okay, let off the gay stuff, buddy.
Here's Krohn.
Here's Krohn.
Check this shit out.
Watch this video.
brendan schaub
Yeah, this is in Venice.
joe rogan
But he does this shit on these bars.
Like, look at this.
brendan schaub
Don't wear your socks like that.
joe rogan
Why not, man?
You can wear your socks whatever the fuck you want if you're Krohn Gracie.
brendan schaub
No, Joe.
joe rogan
Dude, he is the lineage of the greatest fighter in the history of Jiu-Jitsu.
He's the son of the great Hickson Gray.
He can wear those Marvin Hagler socks from the fucking 80s.
The shit Marvin hasn't worked.
brendan schaub
That's so terrible!
joe rogan
Lee Flatt must stop the hang show.
bryan callen
He's thick.
He's thick in this, man.
Who let him out there with those songs?
joe rogan
Krohn's a bad motherfucker, dude.
He's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Fuck yes!
One of the best guys ever.
joe rogan
And here's the thing, man.
His dad is the greatest of all time, for sure.
His dad is like a legit, like a mystic, almost.
brendan schaub
Bro, his dad would roll in.
I'll never forget this.
The room full of the baddest dudes on the planet.
UFC fighters, the who's who of jiu-jitsu.
He walks in there.
It was like Mufasa.
Even I bowed down and shit.
Shit, let me get on a knee.
eddie bravo
The one thing he has...
That most high-level jiu-jitsu players don't have when they're going to MMA, besides the good looks, is when you're talking about just pure jiu-jitsu, whether it's gi or no gi, the full guard is totally optional.
You don't ever need to develop a full guard if it's just grappling.
If you ever have someone in full guard and don't want to play, you open it up and you start playing, you know, butterfly guard or whatever.
Full guard is totally optional.
There's many great jujitsu players that just said, fuck playing full guard.
I'm going to do some other shit.
We're going to play open guard, De La Riva.
We start opening up and start swinging around.
Never really engage in this full guard dimension that's completely optional.
Gi or no gi.
No gi.
If you don't want to play full guard, if you don't want to develop a full guard, you don't have to.
Just open up your fucking legs and then just start playing.
joe rogan
But you know what, man?
eddie bravo
But in MMA, I'm sorry.
Let me just finish this real quick.
But in MMA, it's the most important guard.
Full guard.
It's the most important.
You have to fucking play full guard when a guy is trying to smash your fucking face.
So now you're forced to play a guard.
You didn't have to play in grappling ever, and now in MMA, but Krohn is one of those rare jujitsu guys that in his grappling, his full guard is his main weapon.
He gets dudes in full guard.
That's his shit.
If he watches gi grappling or no gi grappling, he wants to get you in full guard.
His guillotine is among the best.
That's why he's doing good in MMA, because in MMA, he's forced to play a guard that he wants to play anyways.
brendan schaub
Krohn on-barred me in front of a ton of people.
Super embarrassing.
Super embarrassing.
joe rogan
That's gotta be rough considering he's like 170 maybe.
bryan callen
Less, right?
brendan schaub
We rolled for 25 minutes straight and we were like going back and forth.
No one tapped.
No one tapped.
Getting ready for metamorphosis.
And then it just came out of nowhere.
Everyone...
Standing up.
I was all embarrassed.
joe rogan
It's beautiful that he got you.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta appreciate it.
You know you're a gorilla.
unidentified
Dude, that's...
Hey, that dude is way big.
brendan schaub
He was even 170. He was smaller than that when he submitted me.
joe rogan
It's...
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
One of the most satisfying aspects ever.
He won Abu Dhabi.
Satisfying aspects of jiu-jitsu is that it's truly one of the only martial arts where a smaller, more technical person can overcome a bigger, more powerful person.
brendan schaub
Unless Shane Carwin rolls in that motherfucker.
joe rogan
That's a different gorilla.
That's a different gorilla.
But he's so far beyond.
But I guarantee you if he got in there with Fabricio Verdum and they were just grappling, Fabricio would tap him.
You know it and I know it.
brendan schaub
Correct, sir.
joe rogan
100%.
Fabricio's gonna tap him.
And who's bigger?
Fabricio or Shane?
Shane's bigger.
But it doesn't matter.
He's taller.
But there's a level.
It gets to a certain level where the technique can overcome massive physical advantage.
bryan callen
Call a pecking order.
joe rogan
Dude, it's a fucking...
Look, our friend Cade.
You know, like, Cade is maybe one...
How much does Cade weigh?
135. Maybe 135. That motherfucker has put me in danger.
Like a bunch of times.
Way smaller than me.
bryan callen
He's 135?
joe rogan
Locked me up in triangles where I'm like, oh shit, I'm going to have to tap to a dude who's 70 pounds lighter.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and rampage him though, huh?
joe rogan
Go ahead and rampage him.
Okay, I could do that, but he's your friend.
You're not supposed to do that.
But I mean...
What I'm saying is that his technique, like my friend Denny, Denny's lighter than me.
Denny taps me all the time.
If Denny and I roll right now, I haven't rolled in a while, but if we were rolling, he would always tap me.
He's better than me.
Because even though he's smaller than me, someone's heavier.
brendan schaub
He's just more technical.
joe rogan
People get, they're just better.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just better.
bryan callen
When I was watching...
eddie bravo
Everything lines up with your weight.
brendan schaub
Has anyone else...
eddie bravo
It's so good.
bryan callen
Try this.
Try this.
joe rogan
Guys, we can't talk over each other.
bryan callen
Sorry.
Try this raw milk.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
Has anyone else eaten this cheese?
bryan callen
Guys, we're talking about the Brunello did Molotichino, the 2010...
Why are you eating cheese?
brendan schaub
We're on the same diet.
joe rogan
Yeah, because I'm not into it.
brendan schaub
All right.
joe rogan
It's okay.
brendan schaub
I thought you were going to say, oh, you didn't hear Ketogenic candy cheese.
bryan callen
He's looking away from you.
joe rogan
I'm thinking about that poor little cow sitting there getting its tits sucked.
Not bad.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
No, he enjoys that shit.
Otherwise, it builds up.
joe rogan
They don't enjoy it.
brendan schaub
It's like...
joe rogan
They have to keep him in a state where they're perpetually pregnant.
bryan callen
Hey, here's a good fight.
Tarek Safedine, who I love watching...
joe rogan
It was a very good fight.
Rick Story, who's a goddamn gorilla.
brendan schaub
Well, he's been out for a grip.
joe rogan
Yeah, where's Rick Story been?
It's a long story Too easy Timing That ball landing in the bed of my I My word!
brendan schaub
Slam Dunk Sally.
joe rogan
That bread, that ball broke the window of a convertible.
unidentified
That's like Archie Bunker type shit.
eddie bravo
It's a long story.
joe rogan
Saffodine trying to avoid that takedown.
brendan schaub
Cal, get this fucking cheese on my face.
bryan callen
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Is it that good?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's that good.
Give me a piece.
It's so good you go, fuck you, cheese.
joe rogan
Fuck those cows and their suckly titties.
bryan callen
I'll fuck that cheese right now.
brendan schaub
I will suck on those titties.
bryan callen
I'll suck everybody's tits.
Sorry, guys.
Cheese gets me crazy.
So does red wine.
joe rogan
Is this raw cheese?
bryan callen
Fuck yeah, it's raw cheese.
I don't pasteurize my milk.
unidentified
Only the best.
eddie bravo
Did you know they put Viagra in raw cheese?
joe rogan
Yes!
bryan callen
I got it at the gas station.
brendan schaub
They put that Rhino 7 in the cheese.
bryan callen
I got it in the Rhino column.
eddie bravo
They put Viagra in everything.
bryan callen
Yeah, the Rhino column.
eddie bravo
Why not?
Just like sugar.
joe rogan
Just put it in fucking everything.
Just get your boners.
eddie bravo
They have to list it.
Six grams of Viagra.
You're like, fuck it, that's six grams!
Like, shit.
joe rogan
You know how crazy that was?
eddie bravo
You gotta cut down on your Viagra.
joe rogan
Think about that.
eddie bravo
Viagra free food.
unidentified
That was crazy.
eddie bravo
We'd come back around, people would fight to hippie Viagra conspiracies, how the Viagra Association bought off Yale professors to prove that it was good for longevity and anti-cancer properties.
joe rogan
It's good for endurance, and they came up with a blood pressure medication or something?
unidentified
What was it?
brendan schaub
Because it's illegal to take.
bryan callen
Yes, it was.
I believe it was blood pressure.
It opened up your capillaries.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
And people were getting hard on.
joe rogan
It's illegal to take in the Olympics.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
They need a big lick with Viagra.
bryan callen
Yes, because it gives you more endurance.
eddie bravo
Viagra shots, right?
How about that?
You take fucking two shots, shots.
bryan callen
Also, Propecia was for prostate cancer, and they were growing hair.
And they were like, what the fuck's going on?
It was a sinasteride.
brendan schaub
You still taking that shit, Cal?
joe rogan
Hold up.
bryan callen
I am.
joe rogan
Don't take it.
It was a cardiovascular thing for its ability to lower blood pressure.
That finasteride shit?
Dude, that stuff's not good for you.
bryan callen
How do you know?
joe rogan
It's because I took it, first of all, because I took it, and then when I got off it, and Ari took it, and it made him depressed.
Ari got severely depressed.
eddie bravo
I got off it too.
bryan callen
I'm happy as fuck.
joe rogan
You might be.
Maybe you'd be more happy if you weren't on it.
I'm not kidding.
That stuff is linked very directly to depression because it fucks with your body's ability to produce hormones.
It suppresses dihydrotestosterone, which is a derivative of testosterone that causes you to go to bald.
And that is a part of your overall system.
And when you suppress that one aspect of your system, it could fuck up your whole endocrine system.
unidentified
Is Ari like the same thing with steroids?
bryan callen
I'd rather be sad with a lot of hair than happy with no hair.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, you and I are very different, obviously.
brendan schaub
But Joe, don't you think Ari's the exception?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Super depressed?
joe rogan
No, because it's a common side effect.
brendan schaub
Because he's probably predisposed to that.
joe rogan
No, it's a common side effect.
I'm telling you, Ari got off that shit and it changed him.
It changed him.
brendan schaub
Because he had a nice set of hair.
bryan callen
That might be anecdotal.
joe rogan
No, it kept his hair barely.
Just like me.
It kept my hair barely.
And when I got off of it, my body felt way better.
I had more endurance.
I was thinking I had chronic fatigue syndrome or something.
I was like, why am I fucking tired all the time?
It's hard for me to muster up energy to work out.
I was doing it all on willpower.
I got off Propecia, and my body was like...
unidentified
It felt 30% better.
joe rogan
I was like, this is ridiculous.
It's like I've been on a drug for a while.
eddie bravo
I got off it, too.
I was on it for a while.
bryan callen
I ran out, so it's been about three months, but I'll go back on.
It doesn't make me feel bad at all.
eddie bravo
No, no, it's not about feeling bad.
brendan schaub
You still get those boners, though?
eddie bravo
Overall, like...
bryan callen
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How long are you going to do it?
Ten years?
Eventually, it's got to cause something.
bryan callen
Well, it keeps your prostate smaller.
joe rogan
Yeah, for dudes who don't cum.
You know that's all about dudes who don't cum?
brendan schaub
What's that?
joe rogan
Do you know that jerking off?
Just jerking off and having regular sex is the best reducer of prostate cancer.
unidentified
That's what I heard.
joe rogan
It's old dudes who's cum, backs up inside them like old sewage, and just stews up inside their drain pipes.
eddie bravo
Who's not jacking up?
bryan callen
No worries over here.
joe rogan
It rots its way through their pipes.
Think if you took a bunch of hairy shits and left them in your toilet, and what that would do to your pipes.
brendan schaub
It's hard to believe, bro.
bryan callen
Why are they hairy?
I haven't been eating bunnies.
Why are they hairy?
I'm not a coyote.
joe rogan
The hairs that are breaking off from your asshole.
bryan callen
God damn it.
I wax my asshole.
joe rogan
I shave it occasionally.
I shave my asshole.
It changes the way my farts sound.
brendan schaub
Oh, they clap?
joe rogan
They sound like it's somebody else's farts.
I'm like, what is happening back there?
bryan callen
I take a clipper.
I take a clipper.
eddie bravo
Do you actually believe there's guys that are getting to a certain age and they just stop jacking off?
brendan schaub
Yeah, no energy.
Depression.
Depression would do it.
bryan callen
A lot of guys lose their testosterone and they can't.
joe rogan
Guys definitely do.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Eddie can't even accept it.
eddie bravo
I can't.
I can't.
I can't accept it.
brendan schaub
Well, it's one of those YouTube times.
eddie bravo
I need proof to jack off.
unidentified
Here's the thing.
eddie bravo
I think everybody fucking jacks off.
joe rogan
There's something weird.
eddie bravo
Way more than they should.
joe rogan
Well, there's something weird.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
Yes.
It's ridiculous.
bryan callen
The slow, drawn-out note.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
And then I have to keep up with it.
eddie bravo
We need to stop this.
We need to start a movement.
Hashtag end jerking off.
Or slow it down.
joe rogan
It's maintenance, man.
It keeps your body healthy.
bryan callen
Oh, look at that tape.
joe rogan
Oh, somebody might get hurt.
eddie bravo
Slow down.
brendan schaub
He landed on his neck.
eddie bravo
Maybe not end it.
Just slow it down.
joe rogan
No, I think we're fine.
brendan schaub
No, you can't slow it down.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Everyone's all aggressive.
eddie bravo
You gotta slow it down just a little bit.
joe rogan
Powerful, Terry Safadine.
eddie bravo
Pull it back just a little bit, Brandon.
bryan callen
Safadine's rough, man.
joe rogan
No, he needs maintenance.
brendan schaub
I'm not that crazy.
joe rogan
Listen, first of all, Eddie, you and I can't talk about him because he's got gladiator genes.
Look at his body.
Bodies like that are meant to come.
He's supposed to be shitting loads all over the land.
bryan callen
Joe, why do you have a hard on?
unidentified
I don't have a hard on.
brendan schaub
I have a three-quarter.
joe rogan
I got a half a chubby.
bryan callen
Just shitting there.
joe rogan
How tall are you?
Like 6'5"?
brendan schaub
6'4".
joe rogan
6'4".
You should cum.
bryan callen
You should cum all the time.
joe rogan
He's a 6'4 natural 240. Just shut up.
Shut the fuck up, everybody.
The guy's gotta come a lot.
The guy has to come.
You don't want to run through the streets and just go fucking your neighbors.
bryan callen
Give me a child.
Give me a child.
brendan schaub
I wish you were there last night to tell girls.
bryan callen
Take my wife.
I want to raise your child.
brendan schaub
Listen to Rogan.
I gotta come.
Don't be fucking weird.
joe rogan
He's gotta come.
unidentified
Stop.
joe rogan
He has to.
Saffodine with Story on his back.
That's crazy.
Saffodine took Story down.
bryan callen
Saffodine trains with guys like Henderson.
joe rogan
Well, that's who he went to when he first started getting into the MMA game.
He figured, fuck it.
Let me go to an Olympic wrestler and figure out how to stop this bullshit.
brendan schaub
Then he trains at Black Outs a lot, too, with Daniel Warren.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that fight with Nate Marquardt was a fucking excellent example of a guy who's got just super fucking high-level Technical striking.
He just fucked his legs up.
Nate was trying to eat it for a while, and then when you eat a few of those, you're like, oh my god, I'm stuck in a pattern.
And then you've got to break yourself out of the pattern.
You've got to break yourself out.
brendan schaub
You can't go against a high-level kickboxer like this and go, I'm just going to check them all night.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Have you ever had a fight where you went into it and you were too relaxed?
You were too confident?
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Are you asking me?
brendan schaub
Roy Nelson.
Roy Nelson fight.
joe rogan
Did you?
brendan schaub
Big knock fight.
Way too relaxed.
joe rogan
That's a bad place to be.
It's like everybody wants to be super confident, but you don't want to be too confident.
brendan schaub
No, you need the nerves.
joe rogan
Obviously...
It varies with person to person, from instance to instance.
But I would think that you're almost better off being fucking terrified.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
And dealing with all the horrible feeling.
Because I remember on the Taekwondo days, whenever I felt like too good about things, I didn't fight good.
brendan schaub
It never went good.
joe rogan
I fought like clumsy and I was too aware of what I was doing instead of being instinctive and like real fast twitch and terrified.
Not sharp focused.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I hear ya.
joe rogan
But nobody wants to deal with that feeling that all the day of, the weigh-ins, the day of the- It's the worst part.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's the fucking- But it's also what makes you great.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's also what makes the experience of being victorious so powerful.
brendan schaub
So much better.
joe rogan
When you see a guy like Chuck Liddell run around the cage and throw his arms back- With that power gun?
When he would roar, like when he knocked out Tito or when he knocked out Babalu.
brendan schaub
Cyborg did the same shit.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Like, you gotta realize, like, that feeling doesn't just come from victory.
That feeling comes from all the turmoil and the fucking, who knows what's gonna happen.
eddie bravo
You know where that feeling comes from when it comes to Chuck?
Look at that picture!
joe rogan
Goddamn!
Look at Chuck!
brendan schaub
Probably the best picture in UFC here.
Those trunks?
eddie bravo
He's like, you know how much pussy this is gonna get me?
joe rogan
It's true.
eddie bravo
That's the truth.
brendan schaub
Hey, Joe, but as good as the wins are when you're that scared, when you do lose, when you're like, yeah, what's the worst that can happen, you lose the worst way, those same fears, you're like, fuck going through that, man.
Fuck that, because you don't get the same payoff.
joe rogan
Does that make sense?
There's certainly that as well.
There's certainly that as well.
brendan schaub
The lows are low and the highs are low.
joe rogan
There's also guys where you start realizing the lows are coming repeatedly, and it doesn't seem like there's an escape for them, and you've got to realize what are the consequences of these lows.
They're permanent.
Like a really smart guy like Mack Danzig.
Like when Mack Danzig decided to retire, he was like, that's a smart dude.
brendan schaub
He should have done it before that, yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe, but it's hard to see when you're inside of it.
Very few people, me included, can see themselves as well as other people can see you.
Because we all have a certain amount of protective layers of ego and of narcissism.
brendan schaub
Especially as a professional fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, of anybody.
Anybody that's trying to do good at anything.
You have to have a certain amount of self-esteem and ego in order to pursue that goal.
brendan schaub
Because I'd say fighters are even more magnitude.
joe rogan
For sure, for sure.
But also, most likely...
Their motivation for getting in the first place is they had really low self-esteem at one point in time in life and fighting showed them the way out.
So many fighters come from abusive backgrounds, stepfathers that were assholes and all that shit.
Oh shit, Safedine with the fucking question mark kick over the top.
Oh, that was Story.
Story landed that kick.
brendan schaub
No, he didn't.
joe rogan
He didn't?
brendan schaub
No, Safedine did and then he turned him.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Which one of us going crazy?
joe rogan
Am I right?
brendan schaub
Who's going crazy?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Either way, it's that fucking cheese.
There's Viagra?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's both.
Damn cheese.
I'm going with the wine and the weed.
bryan callen
This wine has turned.
unidentified
I'm going with the cheese.
bryan callen
This 2008 Ukulecchio has turned.
brendan schaub
Have we gone through four bottles?
bryan callen
Almost.
brendan schaub
Oh, we get loose tonight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do we have to reimburse you for this?
bryan callen
No.
You know what?
brendan schaub
Bill is, Callan.
bryan callen
You know what?
Each of you throwing 200 bucks will call it even.
unidentified
No big deal.
joe rogan
This probably cost a gram.
brendan schaub
Is there anything worse than...
bryan callen
Listen, man.
joe rogan
Brian Cowen, you still haven't shot your bow once.
bryan callen
I do.
I keep asking.
I gotta come over.
joe rogan
No, you definitely don't keep asking.
I keep asking.
You occasionally throw a text out there.
bryan callen
I throw a text.
joe rogan
You don't get specific at all, and you don't get proactive even slightly.
bryan callen
I need to start.
joe rogan
So let's...
No, no.
brendan schaub
You keep texting.
bryan callen
Let's have a serious talk right now.
joe rogan
Let's be honest.
Let's be honest about how much you've...
This is one of the things I decided.
Because you kept telling me that you wanted to do archery and you wanted to get into bow hunting.
So I said, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to give Brian a bow and I'm going to let...
We'll see how proactive he gets with this.
And it really hasn't panned out.
bryan callen
Dude, look at me.
joe rogan
I'm gonna tell you something.
I gave you a nice point.
unidentified
He's not a hunter.
bryan callen
He's not a hunter.
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
You shut up.
bryan callen
You stay out of this.
unidentified
He's not a hunter.
joe rogan
I've seen Brian kill animals.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
I've seen Brian kill and butcher deal.
But Brian is a good shot.
He's a fucking calm dude under pressure.
brendan schaub
Just because he's good at it doesn't mean he likes it.
joe rogan
Listen, Brian's crazy as fuck.
And I love him to death.
But that dude stays calm on the trigger.
Let me tell you something.
tj kirk
If I needed somebody to shoot for me...
eddie bravo
He's your guy, all your friends?
joe rogan
He's one of my number one picks out of a guy who can keep it together.
brendan schaub
We only get one pick.
joe rogan
Because he's so fucking crazy.
He can keep it together under pressure.
bryan callen
Is that crazy?
Oh yeah!
That's a fact.
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
Brian Callan can fucking...
There could be armies running in Brian's direction.
I guarantee Brian will shoot as good as he would if there was no one watching.
bryan callen
There's no doubt about that because I've been going through that my whole life in my head.
He's crazy.
joe rogan
He's crazy.
brendan schaub
That'd be crazy.
joe rogan
In a weird way.
He's a smiling guy that knows how to shoot.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
In a weird way.
bryan callen
Now listen, look at me.
I'm telling you right now, I'm coming over.
joe rogan
That's us in Wisconsin.
bryan callen
I'm coming over.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's the dude we met in...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Doug Duren.
bryan callen
How much fun do we have?
brendan schaub
He's a great guy, man.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's a great guy.
joe rogan
Doug Duren is one of the best human beings that's ever walked the face of the planet.
brendan schaub
We had a great meal with him and his wife.
joe rogan
He's a gem of a person.
brendan schaub
You know what his wife drew?
She's a painter.
She was like, how beautiful is this painting?
It's a painting of him on a cell phone like this.
She goes, is this how we have dinner?
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
He's like this, looking at his phone.
Powerful first light gear.
bryan callen
How much fun do we have here?
We were laughing so hard.
joe rogan
How beautiful is my first light camo?
bryan callen
Ah, it's beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were talking about shit on a stick.
There's a mold that looks like shit.
We barely paid attention to any of these fights.
Meanwhile, Rick Story and Tarek Safney have been going to war, and we're like those assholes in the fucking first row that are drunk, but barely paid attention to the fight.
bryan callen
Dude, I swear to God, look at me.
unidentified
Eddie Bravo's going back in.
brendan schaub
You're about to go to another dimension, brother.
eddie bravo
There needs to be a vegan hunting show where they get a vegan that goes out in the wild.
bryan callen
I'm coming in this week.
joe rogan
I don't want to see any crying on TV. Look at me.
bryan callen
I'm coming in this week to shoot.
eddie bravo
No, they hunt for wild edible plants.
unidentified
What about that?
brendan schaub
That's a terrible idea, Eddie.
eddie bravo
What about that?
They hunt for wild, edible plants?
joe rogan
Well, I think there's gonna be a real problem soon with plant intelligence, where they're understanding things about the way plants communicate with each other.
eddie bravo
I don't eat plants.
joe rogan
They're not much different than, look, octopus, it's really super arguable that we probably shouldn't eat octopus.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Because octopus are fucking smart as shit.
brendan schaub
And they're really cool.
bryan callen
They can read your facial expressions, right?
joe rogan
Well, not only that, they communicate through the texture of their skin.
They have ink that they blast in front of things so they can get the fuck away.
brendan schaub
See ya.
joe rogan
Are you saying octopus is like spinach?
brendan schaub
Because I'm going to freak out.
joe rogan
Guys, we can't talk all over each other.
eddie bravo
Oh, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Someone has to just back off.
brendan schaub
You got this, Eddie?
I was just wondering if octopus was like spinach.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
brendan schaub
Because you're saying there's a real good argument between the plant life and how smart a plant is.
I'm good.
I'll get really weird.
joe rogan
Smoke that.
brendan schaub
No, I'm good, Doug.
Don't be scared.
I'm talking about spinach and octopus right now.
joe rogan
If you want to be a podcaster, there's certain things you're going to have to do.
If you want to be able to get so high, you say stupid shit.
bryan callen
Be with us, bro.
Be with us.
Watch this, bro.
benjamin jaffe
So what were you saying about octopuses and spinach?
joe rogan
Oh!
brendan schaub
Well, you were saying there's a real argument about plant life, how smart they are.
Because vegans say, oh, well, we eat plants, right?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
Well, the argument is that we're starting to understand that plants communicate with each other in a very strange way.
Don't eat octopus.
They have more genes than you.
brendan schaub
Dude, I love a nice octopus.
joe rogan
Whoa.
It tastes delicious.
unidentified
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Not to eat.
joe rogan
Apparently so is people.
bryan callen
Plants react.
brendan schaub
Do you have those chickens as friends?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'd like octopus as friends.
bryan callen
Plants react in a slower, but the same way, don't they, a lot of times?
joe rogan
They do calculations.
Here's what's weird about plants.
They do calculations and they communicate with each other in this weird way.
Like, here's a perfect example.
An acacia tree.
If an acacia tree is upwind, or, yeah, it's upwind and animals eat it, like a giraffe eats it, the wind goes down.
And the wind goes down, hits the other acacia trees, and they change the way they taste.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
They become bitter.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
In fact, there's a problem with animals that are downwind of a constant breeze where they literally can starve to death because they won't eat their preferred food because it tastes bad.
brendan schaub
Even more reason to fuck those plants up.
bryan callen
How about that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
How about that?
joe rogan
There's all sorts of weird communication going on also with the ground itself because we look at the ground as being just dirt, but it's not.
It's an ecosystem.
It's filled with all sorts of different things.
And most importantly, here's a big factor, decomposing plant and animal material, which gets absorbed into the ground.
Like when we plant food, when you plant like vegetables and You have to add minerals to the soil.
You have to add fertilizer to the soil for most lands because we've depleted the minerals in the soil.
But when you go to the woods, no one's adding shit.
What's happening is things are decomposing.
They're recycling.
Animals are decomposing.
Bodies, organs, all sorts of things that are left behind are decomposing.
Yeah, I mean, it's legitimately what it is.
And plants need that as much as they need water.
There's like this constant thing going on.
So without animal life and animal life dying, these plants are not going to exist.
Life is life.
And they're existing eating this weird fucking ground and then water.
And then they're breathing in oxygen and spitting or breathing in carbon dioxide and spitting out oxygen.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about the Venus flytrap?
Oh yeah.
Hey man, that's a plant!
unidentified
It's flies!
joe rogan
How about the one on the Amazon that eats rats?
brendan schaub
God!
There's a plant that eats rats?
joe rogan
There's a plant that eats rats?
unidentified
Fuck off!
No way!
joe rogan
Jamie?
bryan callen
Jamie?
joe rogan
Jamie knows what it is.
brendan schaub
Jamie?
joe rogan
We played this a dozen times.
There's a fucking plant in the Amazon that honey dicks rats.
And it closes up on it.
It's this fat crazy look at this Just sweat this sweat this hole watch what happens.
Oh, that's a wrap.
It's sweet in there Exactly, it's sweet and it's slippery and this mouse is fucksville Now, that mouse is not getting out?
Never!
They get eaten!
brendan schaub
Well, that's a Venus flytrap.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
They get frogs there!
bryan callen
Fuck flies!
Fuck flies!
eddie bravo
They're getting frogs now!
brendan schaub
Hey, so did that rat go down that hole and never come back?
joe rogan
Yeah, that rat's dead, son.
That rat went to rat heaven.
bryan callen
Show that rat went in there.
eddie bravo
A plant eats frogs.
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
It's like the little shop of horror.
bryan callen
How do we know?
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
It's a fucking video.
bryan callen
CGI. You think it might be CGI? I think it's bullshit.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
That could be bullshit.
What if that is bullshit?
What if that is propaganda?
Fucking lies.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's propaganda against the hate plants.
What is this, Jamie?
bryan callen
Y'all fucking lies.
joe rogan
Jamie, what is this?
unidentified
Same plant.
joe rogan
What is it eating?
unidentified
That's a little rat, I guess.
eddie bravo
I can't see shit.
joe rogan
It's hard to see.
It's a weird photo.
Oh, I see.
The rat is stuck in there.
bryan callen
Oh, no.
joe rogan
He's like, oh, snap.
It's over.
bryan callen
That's a little rat house.
eddie bravo
Why the fuck?
brendan schaub
That's a rat house.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's a rat house.
brendan schaub
That's his crib.
That's a rat crib.
bryan callen
There ain't no rat.
brendan schaub
No, why the fuck is a plant eating rats, though?
joe rogan
It gets nutrients from it?
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Can it digest it?
joe rogan
Look, it gets nutrients from it the same way it gets nutrients from decomposing plant or animal matter that gets into the ground.
bryan callen
Fucking plant.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is, all of the fertilizer that we use today, it has to have nitrogen in it, because that's one of the key components, but a lot of what it is, especially when people make compost, that's the best.
When people throw their food waste in, and then they throw worms and leaves, and everything sort of decomposes.
Yeah, and that stuff decomposes it, and you can use that in your garden.
And that's one of the best ways of replenishing the nutrients in the soil.
brendan schaub
That's what you do, isn't it?
You do that shit.
bryan callen
Damn, and then you hang out with the chickens.
joe rogan
Yes, I compost, I grow vegetables, and I hang out with chickens.
But it makes me happy.
brendan schaub
It's doing the damn thing.
joe rogan
It makes me happy.
When I eat a salad, when I eat some tomatoes that I grew, it makes me happy.
It makes me feel good.
It feels good.
It's a weird way.
brendan schaub
No, it's cool, man.
bryan callen
When I say Propecia, it makes me feel good.
unidentified
It's a fun thing.
joe rogan
It's one of those things that I think...
Have you ever caught fish before?
brendan schaub
No, yeah.
joe rogan
I grew up fishing.
When you catch a fish, you're like, oh shit, oh shit.
You get excited.
Apparently, there's also a similar reaction to people that are...
If you're a bug collector, like a moth collector.
brendan schaub
Yeah, not my friend.
joe rogan
Butterfly collector.
brendan schaub
Yeah, not my friend.
I don't have any friends who do that.
joe rogan
But there's something because human beings, for a long period of time, were apparently insectivores.
Rick Story won that fight.
Oh, we barely pay attention.
brendan schaub
That's outrageous.
unidentified
We barely pay attention.
brendan schaub
I love how we do that.
bryan callen
Oh, what?
brendan schaub
What is that, Jamie?
A horse about to eat a snake?
unidentified
Oh, a chicken.
joe rogan
A horse eats a chicken?
brendan schaub
Son of a bitch.
joe rogan
Oh my god, let it roll.
Let it roll.
Oh my god, it eats a chick.
Oh, see ya!
It consumes it.
That is crazy.
A horse just ate a chick.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck.
With those dull-ass teeth?
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
Squished them like a Cadbury egg.
bryan callen
Oh no.
unidentified
That's so crazy.
eddie bravo
We were brainwashed to believe they were herbivores.
joe rogan
Well, they are, for the most part, but when they get a chance, they eat chicks.
brendan schaub
Hey, chicken!
Move the fuck out of the way!
unidentified
Wow, that's crazy.
brendan schaub
That's like your smart chicken, Joe.
bryan callen
It's a baby chicken, they can't run away.
brendan schaub
That was the smart one.
bryan callen
It's a little ground grouse.
joe rogan
That's crazy, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where'd you find that?
brendan schaub
I forget where I saw it, but it just makes me sick.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen deer chase birds and eat them?
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
joe rogan
No.
Yeah, deer eat birds regularly.
Not only that, there was a fence that was put up, and it was one of these weird nettings, and birds got stuck in the netting, and deer were eating the birds out of the netting.
brendan schaub
Some evil-ass deer.
bryan callen
Damn.
joe rogan
The birds just couldn't differentiate between the hole and the string, and they ran right into it and got stuck.
And the deer just ate them.
bryan callen
And they just needed the protein or something.
joe rogan
They don't give a fuck about birds.
That's what's really going on.
They're not Bambi.
brendan schaub
No, it just looks like food.
joe rogan
We have a real problem in this country, and Disney's fucked our brains from the time we were babies.
brendan schaub
I love a deer.
Juicy nose, friendly.
That's why I can't hunt him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You gotta get over that pussy.
brendan schaub
Nah, man.
I'm trying to kill bears, Doug.
joe rogan
I'll call it you to kill bears.
eddie bravo
Did you say beers?
brendan schaub
B-E-A-R. I have a speech impediment, Eddie.
We know this.
What were you saying, Eddie?
eddie bravo
No, no, but what did you mean?
I don't even know.
Did you say bears or beers?
brendan schaub
You know, the grizzly kind.
eddie bravo
Oh, I thought you meant trying to kill bears.
unidentified
He says beers.
joe rogan
For real?
brendan schaub
Yes, for real.
joe rogan
Okay, let's do it.
brendan schaub
Not with an arrow, though.
I need a gun.
joe rogan
Hold on.
bryan callen
Hold on.
joe rogan
No problem.
You'll set it up?
100%.
brendan schaub
Tell me when.
joe rogan
I just set it up with Aubrey.
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
joe rogan
Aubrey wasn't successful.
brendan schaub
I know, Aubrey texted me.
joe rogan
You want in, too?
bryan callen
I have to, now.
joe rogan
Okay, we're in.
Okay, this is what we do.
brendan schaub
I'm talking about the bear hunters, Doug.
joe rogan
This is what we do.
bryan callen
Pure pressure.
joe rogan
We'll do an August bear hunt with rifle.
unidentified
Fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
The three of us.
You guys, you pussies can use a rifle.
I'm going to use a bow.
bryan callen
Listen.
brendan schaub
You have a rifle I can borrow, though?
bryan callen
This week, I'm coming over to...
I got two rifles.
joe rogan
You guys can both borrow my rifles.
bryan callen
I'm coming over this week.
joe rogan
I got a goddamn armory in my house.
brendan schaub
You have a machine gun?
joe rogan
I got a lot of shit.
brendan schaub
I'll use that.
unidentified
I got a lot of problems.
joe rogan
Problems in my head.
And I'm ready.
brendan schaub
I'm ready, dude.
unidentified
I'm so ready.
I'm scared.
I'm so fucking ready.
joe rogan
I'm so ready.
brendan schaub
You and Tim Kennedy are just ready.
joe rogan
Me and Tim Kennedy could be boyfriends.
But this camp that we would go to in Alberta, my friend John and Jen Rivett, they're fucking awesome human beings, and their place is amazing, and they have giant people.
brendan schaub
What kind of bears?
joe rogan
Like the edge bear?
No, but black bears.
And there's grizzlies up there, too.
I saw a grizzly.
I saw a grizzly not where we were hunting, but near it.
I saw lynx.
I saw many moose, mule deer.
brendan schaub
All Achilles, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
So I'm in.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to do them during certain times.
We're in the bear time.
And here's the thing about bears, it actually does help the population because they eat babies.
They eat cubs.
So if you kill the big boars, it actually is good for the population.
brendan schaub
That's all we need to hear.
joe rogan
Yeah, it sounds counterintuitive.
brendan schaub
That's all we need to hear.
bryan callen
As long as I have a reason, then I'll do it.
Doing conservation is what you're saying.
eddie bravo
It's like child services.
joe rogan
Well, it's a side effect of hunting.
unidentified
Fuck it, baby.
joe rogan
Here's one thing.
My friend Ben O'Brien pointed this out this weekend.
He's a good buddy of mine.
He used to write for Peterson's hunting magazine.
He's a super intelligent guy, and he came hunting with us.
And one of the things that he said is that conservation is a side effect of hunting.
And until we're honest about that, people are going to always have this argument against us.
Or against people that hunt.
Because people like to say that hunting is conservation.
It is.
But it's a side effect of hunting.
You really want to hunt because you want meat.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're not trying to help.
joe rogan
But then there's people that hunt and they don't even really want meat.
I knew a dude who used to hunt all the time.
He hated wild game.
He hunted constantly.
brendan schaub
Just to kill.
joe rogan
He just ate beef.
He likes to kill.
He was a real problem, dude.
He's got other...
bryan callen
Of course, though.
brendan schaub
I could have told you that.
bryan callen
But there's something about hunting.
When you wake up in the middle of nowhere and you're walking through like in Alaska, there is something very primordial and very interesting about not knowing what you're going to see around the next corner.
joe rogan
Well, when you and I did that island in Alaska, two of my favorite times as a human being is when we were in Montana and when we were in Alaska.
bryan callen
We laughed so fucking hard and miserable.
brendan schaub
Did you guys kill anything?
joe rogan
Well, we did in Montana.
We both did, but in Alaska, neither one of us did.
brendan schaub
Joe, how long would the bear hunt be?
joe rogan
Well, the bear hunt I just did, it was three days of hunting.
brendan schaub
I can do three.
joe rogan
One day of travel on each end, so it was a five-day hunt, and I was unsuccessful.
My friend Cameron Haynes shot a seven-foot-eight bear.
unidentified
Goddamn.
joe rogan
I was telling you guys about it before.
And we ate that bear, by the way, and it's fucking delicious.
bryan callen
What about the rug?
Are you going to make a rug from it?
joe rogan
Oh, we're going to have to use every aspect.
brendan schaub
Paper, rock, scissors for the rug.
bryan callen
No, no, we'll both go.
joe rogan
Use every aspect of the bear.
But the thing about bears is they do two things.
One, they eat cubs.
Like, all of them.
100% of them are cannibals.
brendan schaub
That's all I need to hear.
joe rogan
They all come out.
Not only do they come out of hibernation, they come out of hibernation looking to get a cub.
brendan schaub
Stone cold killers.
joe rogan
Because cubs are easy, so they go into dens because the females tend to sleep later than the males.
And it's something that's set up because nature knows they don't have any predator.
Nature's like a complex but really efficient system.
And nature realizes that these things are bears.
Nothing can fuck with them other than them.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what it did is it made the men cannibals.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Where it's very different from wolves.
See, wolves, a wolf could have a battle and get killed by a mountain lion.
There's videos online of wolves getting killed by a mountain lion.
A really recent one that Jamie and I played the other day.
Of a mountain lion killing a wolf.
bryan callen
Yeah, where the guy had the light on it?
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
You've seen it?
unidentified
I've seen it.
joe rogan
Mountain lions are just way more gangster than wolves.
Wolves can suck mountain lions dicks all day long.
brendan schaub
That's a given though, right?
joe rogan
A mountain lion is like Kevin Randleman in his prime, and a wolf is like a 14-year-old girl in a fucking McDojo karate class at a strip mall.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ, because a wolf has its mouth.
joe rogan
That's my favorite analogy of all time.
benjamin jaffe
But there's a mountain lion eating a wolf.
joe rogan
He's just killing a wolf with his fucking face.
Cats are just as gangster...
brendan schaub
Who the fuck is that guy?
joe rogan
Cats are as gangster as any animal that's ever lived.
They kill crocodiles in the Amazon.
brendan schaub
The tiger kills a croc.
joe rogan
But surely you've seen...
Have you surely seen these jaguars kill crocodiles?
Surely you've seen that.
brendan schaub
No, I've only seen a tiger do it.
joe rogan
Please.
bryan callen
No, that was a jaguar.
joe rogan
Jaguar killed caiman in the Amazon.
bryan callen
It's hard to tell.
unidentified
Look at that!
joe rogan
He's killing a wolf with his face!
Cats are so gangster.
bryan callen
They don't fuck around.
And he's not even moving!
joe rogan
He's not freaking out.
He's barely breathing.
He's just slowly killing that wolf.
bryan callen
And by the way, the puma, and that's what you're looking at, the puma is considered the most athletic of all cats.
joe rogan
Yes, you're correct.
Next to a house cat.
By the way, they say if a house cat was as big as a puma, the house cat would be running shit.
bryan callen
Yes, it'd be eating you too.
brendan schaub
I'm not a cat guy, man.
I'm allergic to cats.
I know, it's weird.
joe rogan
Love them.
brendan schaub
It's the one thing I don't like about you.
unidentified
I love them.
bryan callen
Never knew.
unidentified
Just that.
bryan callen
I've never had a cat.
brendan schaub
I don't trust cat guys.
joe rogan
I love them.
brendan schaub
But I trust you.
eddie bravo
I have two cats and I feel you.
joe rogan
You know what?
unidentified
I feel you.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
eddie bravo
The one thing I gotta appreciate about cats, though, is- Look at that!
brendan schaub
Hold on.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Watch this.
Watch this jaguar sneak up on a crocodile!
unidentified
Dog!
Dog!
joe rogan
Jack that motherfucker!
He eats crocodiles!
Suck it!
brendan schaub
Fuck!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
Look at the creeping.
bryan callen
Don't fuck with Jags.
You guys don't know shit.
Jags are no joke.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they're so scary.
bryan callen
They're about 250 pounds, by the way.
joe rogan
They're so scary.
brendan schaub
But this won't sway me towards liking cats, because you can't be like, oh, my house cats look like this.
bryan callen
Watch this.
unidentified
They're water animals.
joe rogan
Look, the crocodile swims out.
bryan callen
They're water babies, you fucks.
joe rogan
And he swims out to this little fucking island.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the jaguar's right behind him.
bryan callen
Yeah, you big fucking, you big lizard.
unidentified
Look at the jaguar!
bryan callen
You bully lizard.
unidentified
Look at the jaguar creeping through the water in super slow-mo.
joe rogan
Watch this shit.
unidentified
Too late!
Bitch!
bryan callen
Too late!
joe rogan
Get the fuck over here, bitch!
bryan callen
Too late.
brendan schaub
He carries him off?
bryan callen
Yeah, he carries him the fuck off.
joe rogan
He carries him off like you would carry a roll of toilet paper.
bryan callen
Look at him.
Through the water.
God damn it.
unidentified
Everyone's watching the video.
We can't show this.
eddie bravo
He took him in the water.
joe rogan
He took him in his house.
bryan callen
You can't show what?
brendan schaub
You can't show the end?
eddie bravo
Dude, he grabs him and drags him back and he's not even dead yet and he throws him back in the water.
joe rogan
He knows it's not going to make it.
brendan schaub
Where's the rest of the homies?
eddie bravo
He controls that body so well that he just swims across the goddamn river.
joe rogan
Eddie, if you got a 10-year-old boy in a headlock, do you think you'd be worried about swimming with him?
brendan schaub
Yeah, fuck that kid.
eddie bravo
It could be a problem.
joe rogan
Dude, those fucking jaguars are so gangster.
brendan schaub
Super gangster.
joe rogan
They're so gangster.
brendan schaub
I saw a tiger do that.
joe rogan
So with bears, because they don't have natural predators, nature has developed this really dark, dark system where the males eat the babies.
So the struggle is constantly the males trying to eat other babies in order to bring the woman back, the female bear.
unidentified
Makes sense.
joe rogan
Back into estrus so he can mate with her and pass on his own genetics and just the fact that it's hard to come by protein because they run fairly quick but they don't run as quick as deer.
So the only deer they get to eat realistically are the babies or the injured ones.
It's mostly fawns so they say that A bear in Alberta eat 50% of all moose calves and deer fawns.
brendan schaub
Gotta kill them.
bryan callen
When we were in Alaska, we saw a female bear with her cub, and I can't remember, Jan, what was his name?
joe rogan
Janis.
bryan callen
Janis.
Janis said that probably what was going on was she was keeping him in the highlands.
Her baby away from the males who had gotten down.
joe rogan
She was keeping him up high way too late in the season just to try to protect his life because the males eat him.
brendan schaub
So you're saying Mother Nature's a motherfucker is what you're saying.
bryan callen
Mother Nature's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, what I'm saying is that people who love animals, the sentiment is beautiful.
But when you really try to let all your predispose or your preconceived notions...
bryan callen
It's called your anthropomorphic tendencies.
joe rogan
There's a little of that that's given to us.
bryan callen
Putting human qualities on them.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just anthropomorphic.
It's also even the love of actual animals that are in your environment that are not trying to eat you.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like squirrels and birds and dogs and cats and pets that you and I both have, we both love.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
But there's a big goddamn difference between all of those things and then the wild itself, which is this weird system.
And this weird system, wildlife biologists have studied this weird system over decades, and they've concluded that there's some benefit to removing certain dominant males from the equation.
And that's what you hunt.
bryan callen
They say that about rhino, you know.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the reasons why that Corey Knowlton guy got off the hook, whereas the lion killer guy, the Caesar Lion Killer didn't.
They were going to kill that rhino anyway, because that rhino was killing other male rhinos.
So Corey, in spending $250,000 plus to bid on killing that rhino, fed like a hundred fucking Families.
Yes.
Not only did he feed 100 families, he gave $250,000 to conservation to protect the rhinos and killed a rhino they were going to have to kill anyway.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Which helps out the rhinos.
bryan callen
It helps out the rhinos.
joe rogan
But it's so complicated because you would think that if you love rhinos, the last thing you'd want is some dude paying money to kill a rhino.
You'd be like, that's ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's not what we want.
But when you say hunting takes out the big males that kill all these things.
joe rogan
That's what you hunt.
brendan schaub
How can you tell the difference?
joe rogan
Just size?
Yeah, 100%.
brendan schaub
Size.
bryan callen
You tell by size, I tell by smell.
joe rogan
Well, Brian is what's called game eye.
bryan callen
I have game eye and game nose, you fucks.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Hannah Burrell is about to fight Jeremy Stevens at the goddamn co-main event.
bryan callen
By the way, Hannah Burrell is a big...
I like saying obvious things like this.
Guys, Hannah Burrell is a good fighter.
joe rogan
That's what I say when I work.
This is, I gotta be honest with you, this is the number one argument for me never doing commentary again.
brendan schaub
What do you got?
joe rogan
This thing.
unidentified
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's the best.
We're hammers.
bryan callen
I'm gonna say something really cheesy.
I have an overwhelming feeling of kinship for all my friends here.
I know it's cheesy, but I love all you guys.
joe rogan
Dude, there's a million...
bryan callen
And I'm not drunk.
I'm just saying that.
joe rogan
It's a little embarrassing.
bryan callen
More than a million people.
joe rogan
More than a million human beings are going to listen to this.
brendan schaub
And feel the same way.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
Jeremy Stephens and Hennem Burrell is a motherfucker of a fight.
Because Jeremy Stephens is ready to throw bombs, super confident.
And Hennem Burrell, first time at 145, not knowing exactly how he's going to do, against one of the best knockout strikers in this division.
bryan callen
And Hennem Burrell's more skilled.
He's more skilled.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Don't say that.
brendan schaub
No, Hennem Burrell's a guy who will trade and take shots.
Can you take a shot from Jeremy Stephens?
joe rogan
I don't know if anybody can.
unidentified
I don't either.
joe rogan
Jeremy Stephens knocks out 155 guys.
brendan schaub
He knocked out the champ, Dos Anjos.
joe rogan
Exactly, with a ruthless uppercut.
Jeremy Stephens is no joke.
brendan schaub
Probably the hardest hit at 45. He's one of them.
bryan callen
Easy, there's Conor McGregor guys.
joe rogan
I guess you forgot Let me tell you something.
Conor vs.
this guy.
Jeremy Stephens vs.
Conor would be fucking chaos.
And don't be surprised if Jeremy Stephens wins.
brendan schaub
There's your fight if he wins this.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
Look at this.
I think Burrell's gonna beat Jeremy Stephens.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
You have no idea what's gonna happen.
Neither do I. Brian, no one knows what's gonna happen.
bryan callen
I know exactly what's gonna happen.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, we just tagged him in the straight right.
He's keeping his head down.
Incorrect.
Hit behind the ear.
Not a good place.
brendan schaub
Stevens.
bryan callen
That's so obnoxious when somebody starts singing that you're wrong.
joe rogan
I'm obnoxious.
unidentified
Incorrect.
bryan callen
Hit behind the ear.
joe rogan
There's very few things I'm allowed to be obnoxious about other than calling in my man.
Oh, I told you.
bryan callen
Every time he hits, I'm going to go, I told you.
joe rogan
Jeremy Stevens.
Head like a brick.
Mind like a pit bull.
Oh, tag by that left.
He got tagged.
Baral looks good.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he looks great.
bryan callen
Have we forgotten how good Baral is?
joe rogan
Well, he was, without a doubt, one of the best in the world at 135. And I think it's better for him at 145. It's too much of a beast for him to cut, they said.
brendan schaub
They said it always killed him.
So, you know, he might be a monster at 45. How about him versus Aldo at 45?
joe rogan
Well, he would never do that.
brendan schaub
You'd be surprised.
joe rogan
I don't want them to.
I don't want friends to fight.
I really don't.
I don't like it.
brendan schaub
I'd be down for TJ. I feel like it's kind of fun.
joe rogan
Oh, Burrell with the takedown.
I feel like it's kind of fun that there's sacred things.
I feel like it's kind of fun that some people just won't fight people.
bryan callen
Jake Shields and those guys won't fight each other?
brendan schaub
The UFC doesn't think it's fun, though.
joe rogan
I don't care what they think.
brendan schaub
I know, but they make the match-ups, dog.
joe rogan
I don't care.
But my personal opinion, I mean, listen, I love every match-up.
I call every match-up with love.
I love them all.
But I don't, personally, I know a lot of these guys.
I don't want to see them fight their fight.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but if Hannah Brown is fighting, you've got to call it.
joe rogan
Unless, this is what I want to say, unless they want to fight their friends and they think it's okay.
Juliana Pena is very close with Misha Tate, and apparently Juliana Pena said, I would fight her for the title, and if she wins her next fight and I expect her to win, I'll fight her for the title.
brendan schaub
Oh, so you're cool with it.
joe rogan
And they're cool with it.
Yeah, because they're both cool with it, apparently.
They realize it's business.
brendan schaub
That's life-changing, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they'll go back to being friends and being cool with each other.
bryan callen
Where's Tim Kennedy and why is he not fighting?
joe rogan
Tim Kennedy is still serving.
Tim Kennedy is still involved in multiple things you can't talk about.
brendan schaub
But he's also trying to get a fight.
joe rogan
But he would take a fight again.
There's a legit problem.
I don't want to start any noise, but Tim Kennedy is a very vocal critic of all sorts of different things.
Listen, Tim Kennedy is a legit war hero.
And you can't get legit war heroes to play games.
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
But also, when they speak, it matters.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
He's a critical thinker.
He's not a hater.
He's a critical thinker.
At the highest level.
joe rogan
He is.
And at the highest level, every sport, every endeavor, every application of your own creativity and your own ideals, whatever you're trying to pursue in this life, should be done to the highest level.
So all criticism should be taken into consideration, whether it's valid or invalid.
And a guy like Tim Kennedy, I think, is an important voice.
He's an important voice because he's a legit human being.
I mean, he's as legit as a man gets.
brendan schaub
He's the greatest American in the fucking UFC for what he does.
joe rogan
He's one of them, for sure.
brendan schaub
So when he speaks, everyone follows.
And they should.
joe rogan
They should.
He's legit.
I mean, I have legit, like, massive respect for that guy.
bryan callen
Fair-minded guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's a smart dude.
And you know what?
You need people like that, man.
Don't think you don't, because there's people like that on the other side.
There's people like that in the world.
And ideally, yes, we would all love peace and love, but occasionally you have to deal with assholes.
And you have to realize that there's religious zealots and crazy people.
bryan callen
Talk to the Yazidi women about ISIS and see how nice people are.
And how badly they'd love to have a guy like fucking Tim.
joe rogan
Ruthless dictators all throughout history, man.
bryan callen
What'd you say about ISIS? Well, the Yazidis, what they did to that community in Iraq, the Yazidi women were always considered the most beautiful women.
They had fair hair, blue eyes, yellow eyes.
joe rogan
I'm not hearing red hair and big tits.
I don't even know what the fuck you're just saying.
bryan callen
I'm serious.
The Yazidis were fables for their beauty.
What about women?
joe rogan
Melky white skin where you could see your whole hand print when you spank them.
bryan callen
Hey, man.
joe rogan
Did you say that?
brendan schaub
Hey, bro.
bryan callen
Sir, I did not say anything like that.
eddie bravo
There's a lot of hot Iranian chicks, too.
joe rogan
But if you didn't say that, I don't really know what you're saying.
I don't understand what you're saying.
bryan callen
That part of the world has some of the most beautiful women on the planet.
joe rogan
White-like paper with red nail polish.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you just say that?
bryan callen
No, I didn't say that, sir.
You're putting words in my mouth.
joe rogan
Did you say an ass-to-waste ratio?
bryan callen
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
That's always very important.
joe rogan
It leaves a man baffled for days.
brendan schaub
Like a sports guy.
bryan callen
Ass to waist ratio.
What is that?
That'll kill you.
That'll stop a man in his fucking...
That'll ruin your whole life.
joe rogan
A buddy of mine was telling me about this girlfriend.
This girl, rather, that he was dating.
And they, you know, they got to know each other.
Went out a few times.
And one day they went back to her place.
And she...
Her waist was too big and it freaked him out.
bryan callen
It's a problem.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
brendan schaub
What's wrong with him?
joe rogan
He's like, she's really cool, but her waist was too thick.
unidentified
I was like, what?
brendan schaub
He must have been a ladies man.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Well, she wasn't even, I guess so.
brendan schaub
He must have been, yeah.
joe rogan
But she wasn't even overweight.
It's just like, he didn't like her dimensions.
bryan callen
I've had that situation.
I had a girl take her clothes off.
eddie bravo
She had a hairy ass.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on.
What happened?
bryan callen
I said I had a girl take her clothes off, and she had a hairy ass.
I've talked about it before.
She was blowing me.
joe rogan
Her asshole?
bryan callen
Nope.
unidentified
Everything.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, sir.
unidentified
She had a ducktail.
bryan callen
Sir, her cheeks...
She had black hairs on her rump.
brendan schaub
Like Arlovsky.
bryan callen
Yep, and guess what I did?
I faked a stomach ache and said I gotta get out of there.
joe rogan
I would've fucked her like she was a female werewolf.
unidentified
Well, after I came, I faked a stomach ache.
joe rogan
I would've fucked her like I was trying to make her evolve.
I was trying to help her bring her up past the Paleolithic.
bryan callen
When you're younger, you don't give a fuck, right?
joe rogan
Dump some caveman lows in there.
unidentified
Just hair all over her ass cheeks?
bryan callen
Yep, that's right, my friend.
unidentified
I was just...
joe rogan
Dominator.
bryan callen
And she had...
She was a white girl?
I didn't mind that, but she had a huge dick.
joe rogan
What did her breath taste like?
A lot of cum.
bryan callen
A lot of cum.
unidentified
Hey, she was a white girl, B? Yeah, and she had a big beard, but she was a great girl.
bryan callen
Other than that, she was a pretty, pretty girl.
If you can get past the dick and the beard, other than that, I thought she was fucking a wonderful girl.
I don't want to badmouth her, but I couldn't.
We only did it for like six months.
joe rogan
Is that the girl who had smelly feet too?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Yeah, I smell my feet.
She wore diapers.
brendan schaub
Ooh, good jab.
bryan callen
Look at his shit.
eddie bravo
That jab fucked him up.
An animated cartoon of Joey.
bryan callen
Oh, he just got caught.
eddie bravo
Like a pit bull that's part bear.
unidentified
Guess what?
bryan callen
Henner just got caught in the chin.
God damn it.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Henner Brown got rocked.
unidentified
He's in trouble.
joe rogan
He's on Queer Street right now.
bryan callen
There's another one.
eddie bravo
Stevens really needs to work on America.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, Burrell's in trouble.
He's in trouble.
brendan schaub
He was wobbly before.
joe rogan
He's standing still in front of him, too, man.
He's got to move.
Jeremy's going to time him.
brendan schaub
He's headhunting.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He just got tagged.
Well, Burrell's looking to fire back.
Maybe he's not as hurt as we think.
bryan callen
He's playing like he's on Queer Streak.
brendan schaub
He didn't come over the top of the right hand.
joe rogan
He definitely got hurt, but you've got to think this dude is a Novo and Yao fighter, and one of the things about those training camps in Novo and Yao, those guys go to war.
unidentified
Maybe they stopped lately because of all the pressure.
joe rogan
Boy, that's hard to believe.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's their style, right?
It's hard.
joe rogan
I feel like Jeremy's bigger, isn't he?
He's a strong guy.
brendan schaub
He fought at 55?
joe rogan
Well, he fought at 55 and really struggled to get down to 45, whereas Burrell was fighting at 35 and struggled there, and he's more comfortable at 45. Well, Stephen's a thicker-boned character.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
I believe he's an inch taller, too.
bryan callen
Yeah, he looks at...
joe rogan
Let's find the height and weight of these guys.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Jamie.
joe rogan
Young Jamie, please.
bryan callen
Yeah, Jamie.
joe rogan
Please, Jamie.
What does it say?
Height?
brendan schaub
71. Damn, that was quick.
bryan callen
5'6 and 5'9.
That's a big difference.
joe rogan
What is this?
59 inches.
First of all, it's not 5'6.
unidentified
69 inches.
joe rogan
Why is he sucking in his gut, though?
eddie bravo
Why is he sucking in his gut?
brendan schaub
Ooh, that's rough.
joe rogan
That's 5'7.
bryan callen
That's 5'6, isn't it?
joe rogan
69. 5'9".
bryan callen
Yeah, 5'9".
Oh, it's 5'9".
66 is 5'6", that's what I said.
60 inches is 5 feet.
eddie bravo
He looks like he's in mid-Hicks and Gracie ab workout, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, 69 is 5'9", right?
Because 12 inches...
bryan callen
Yeah, so 5'6 and 5'9".
joe rogan
And then 66. So, okay.
5'9 and 5'6".
But when you're looking at them, Hen and Burrell doesn't look that much shorter than him.
He looks more slender and not as thick.
Like, Jeremy looks...
bryan callen
Jeremy's a bigger boy.
joe rogan
But it's hard when you're bending at the knees and moving.
eddie bravo
Thick is great.
brendan schaub
Brow has a wider stance.
bryan callen
Ooh, back kick, back kick!
joe rogan
My vision is getting so shitty that it's hard for me to tell with that blown up...
bryan callen
We're getting older?
joe rogan
Whether it says 69 inches or 5'9".
bryan callen
See, not me.
I have beautiful eyes.
joe rogan
It's like I'm just at that point where the six is blurry, even as big as it is.
brendan schaub
Damn, son.
joe rogan
So depressing.
brendan schaub
So you gotta wear glasses?
joe rogan
Only when I read things.
brendan schaub
What about the laser surgery?
unidentified
Like up close?
joe rogan
That's no good.
brendan schaub
I did it.
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
But it's only good for certain types of...
brendan schaub
Corneas?
joe rogan
Well, issues with your retina.
bryan callen
So you're having trouble seeing long distances?
No.
joe rogan
No, much more it's close distances.
But even long distances, it's not so hot anymore.
bryan callen
See, I have no problem with long distances.
brendan schaub
So you can't see, close or far.
joe rogan
No, I still probably have pretty good vision.
Like, I see you crystal clear.
I see you crystal clear.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you can't read that six, bro.
joe rogan
No, I can read it, but there's a certain amount of aura to the numbers.
They're not clear.
brendan schaub
LASIK gave it to me on light.
joe rogan
Like, look, I'll put these glasses on, and bam.
brendan schaub
And money.
joe rogan
It's crystal clear.
brendan schaub
So just wear those like Malcolm Axel.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
That's your shit now.
That's your shit now.
brendan schaub
It is in.
joe rogan
They get in the way though.
eddie bravo
I took my contacts off for good.
Fuck the contacts.
I would just wear glasses.
joe rogan
Glasses are easier for sure.
bryan callen
I feel lucky I don't have to wear glasses.
eddie bravo
I'm going to do LASIK eventually.
joe rogan
But the problem with LASIKs is like Kathy Griffin had a real issue with it apparently.
Oh, Hannah Brown was a takedown.
brendan schaub
She's the exception.
She's the Chris Benoit of LASIK. Right.
joe rogan
Hannah Brown was a takedown, but Jeremy Stevens...
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh.
joe rogan
Oh, Brown looking to take that back.
bryan callen
Don't kid yourself.
Jeremy Stevens will wear you out if he's bigger.
joe rogan
Well, Stevens is also a training partner for Dominic Cruz.
He's training at Alliance.
I mean, he's down there with Eric Del Fiero, one of the most underrated coaches in the world.
brendan schaub
And Neil Malanson.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Malanson went to Black House, didn't he?
brendan schaub
He goes to both, I remember.
joe rogan
Oh, he goes back and forth?
brendan schaub
He was there forever.
He is at Black House, too, though.
joe rogan
He was there forever, but I think they brought him into Black House in order to...
brendan schaub
Phil Davis is out of Alliance camp.
They're monsters.
Gustafson was down there.
unidentified
Gustafson goes down there.
brendan schaub
What's up with him?
joe rogan
Ross Pearson.
brendan schaub
Did they give Gustafson a fight?
I feel like they didn't answer.
joe rogan
I feel like Gustafson just said something about not knowing what he's doing.
brendan schaub
I thought he said he lost the drive, right?
So he flew from Sweden to San Diego to see if the fire was still there, and he still was questioned, I guess.
bryan callen
Really?
Oh, man.
I think he comes from money, Dustin.
joe rogan
How dare you just make things up?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't think so, Pete.
bryan callen
No, I think he does.
joe rogan
It's not even real money.
bryan callen
No, no, his family, his dad has a lot of money.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not even American money.
bryan callen
He was always kind of a problem child growing up, but now he's a superstar.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's huge in Sweden.
bryan callen
It's hard to go back to that training when you're already kind of arrived.
joe rogan
People from Stockholm that are listening, I was only joking about your money.
bryan callen
He's a stud.
joe rogan
Brian didn't hear it.
American money is the only money?
American money is the only money?
Is that what you're saying?
bryan callen
It is a high tax rate.
It's like something like crazy, like 60%.
joe rogan
No, that's not what I'm saying, Brian.
I'm saying American's better.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
America, son.
joe rogan
I don't care about their fucking tax rate.
bryan callen
I know you are.
joe rogan
You could only pay 1% taxes.
You could suck my dick.
You have to live in Scotland or wherever the hell you live.
bryan callen
Sweden, you son of a bitch!
There's a huge difference!
joe rogan
God damn it!
brendan schaub
You do what you paid for, man.
bryan callen
Stockholm is a beautiful city.
You can swim in the water there.
joe rogan
Yo, I've been there.
You might as well be living on the moon.
Hey!
bryan callen
Excuse me!
joe rogan
I did two shows there.
bryan callen
Stockholm, I'm sorry.
Sweden, I'm sorry.
I'm outraged.
joe rogan
I did two shows in Stockholm.
bryan callen
I was supposed to come with you.
brendan schaub
Does this thing come from money?
I didn't hear that.
He's a fucking monster.
I don't think he'd go to war with Jon Jones like that if you're a rich kid.
bryan callen
Trust me, trust me.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't you Google it?
Don't say trust me, trust me if you're not sure.
bryan callen
No, I'm better than Google I know.
But are you sure?
I have an inside scoop on that, to be honest with you.
joe rogan
No, do you really, though, or do you have a guy who hates on him, who he trains with?
brendan schaub
I trained with the guy.
bryan callen
No, he comes from, I'm not saying he comes from billions, but he comes from a well-to-do family.
joe rogan
It's not a bad thing.
bryan callen
That's not saying anything bad about him.
That's a good thing.
He comes from a good family, a successful...
His father was very successful.
And apparently he was...
I guess he had some problems growing up.
joe rogan
Okay, hold on.
You have a phone, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't you look that up?
bryan callen
How do I look it up?
joe rogan
Let's Google Alexander Gustafson's childhood.
bryan callen
I have 1%.
joe rogan
Well, oh my god.
bryan callen
Plug it in.
Too late.
joe rogan
Just plug it in, man.
I just don't know.
brendan schaub
I feel like young Jamie would find it in about three seconds.
joe rogan
Young Jamie will find it.
Here's the deal.
I think he's a spectacular person, so I don't want to disparage his background.
And if he did come up from a hardscrabble existence, the last thing I want to hear is the kid over there...
brendan schaub
Making shit up.
joe rogan
Talking shit.
Making things up.
bryan callen
Dude, he's a billionaire.
joe rogan
His dad screws like that?
bryan callen
His godfather's Uncle Gates.
joe rogan
Uncle Gates.
Jeremy Stevens dropping bows.
Dropping knees on Hannah Brown.
brendan schaub
I feel like light heavyweight needs a gust of him, man.
They're running thin.
joe rogan
He's a tough guy.
He's a real tough guy.
brendan schaub
One of the best.
Think how close he was to winning a world title.
Twice.
bryan callen
And a true blonde.
I call him a true blonde.
joe rogan
Well, he beat Maniwa when no one had, you know?
I mean, he took a fight with Maniwa, and Maniwa was...
Jimmy Maniwa was knocking out anybody.
Everybody.
Hennon's bleeding, man.
What happened?
bryan callen
They say he got in a fight.
unidentified
What happened?
Punched you in the face.
bryan callen
By the way, by the way, Hennon's having trouble hurting Stevens with his...
Damn, he's got a big head, Jeremy.
He can kind of walk through it.
Keep pressure on him like this.
Ouch!
unidentified
Ouch!
brendan schaub
Great kick.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a...
brendan schaub
Oh, boy, he loves that uppercut.
bryan callen
He loves that damn uppercut, man.
unidentified
He does.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it's one of his most spectacular highlight reel KOs ever.
unidentified
What if the UFC starts adding CGI blood, like, live?
eddie bravo
They could do it live.
joe rogan
Like Snapchat filters.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Imagine if you could watch the UFC. Take them down.
brendan schaub
Rash guards and filters.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine if you could watch the UFC through Snapchat and you could make, like, a Brad Pitt filter.
brendan schaub
That's a Brad Pitt.
joe rogan
And Angelina Jolie were duking it out to the death.
You can put Angelina's head...
You can change their bodies.
You can make, like, Cyborg's body.
Like, you could have Cyborg fight Cain Velasquez next time Verdun fights Cain.
You just turn into Cyborg.
You're, like, really into watching a girl beat the fuck out of a dude.
unidentified
It's so ridiculous.
bryan callen
Hey, you bastards, I'm watching this fight.
Let me ask a question.
joe rogan
The girl from Frozen, Anna from Frozen, that could be who's fighting and winning.
Those Snapchat filters are crazy, man.
unidentified
They are crazy, man.
joe rogan
Brian, you could take your face, put it on Shob's body, and he could say anything.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I will.
joe rogan
As Brian Callen.
bryan callen
I'm going to.
joe rogan
Steven's with a good knee to the body.
brendan schaub
I don't fuck with Snapchat.
Do you, Joe?
joe rogan
No, I do not.
eddie bravo
Neither do I. You guys should do an episode where you play each other.
The whole time.
You're in character.
joe rogan
You might get mean.
bryan callen
Not a bad idea.
joe rogan
That might get mean.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you're right.
That could end terrible.
unidentified
That's a good episode for 3D, B. Patty Jenkins says hi to you.
bryan callen
She's been directing Wonder Woman.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck about Wonder Woman, but I love Patty.
Can we salute to the fighter and the kid making it to number one on the iTunes TV show list?
Isn't that fucking insane?
How is that possible?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I have no idea.
joe rogan
Dude, you guys are number one on iTunes comedy TV. That's fucking incredible.
bryan callen
It's kind of crazy, but you know what?
We're proud of what we did.
joe rogan
That's kind of crazy.
That's incredible.
You're not number three.
You're not number six.
You're not number two.
bryan callen
I've got to start taking my success in.
I always think of myself as a failure.
joe rogan
Well, you're definitely a failure.
bryan callen
I'm definitely a failure, but at least that was a failure.
joe rogan
It's just about what you're counting.
It's about what you're counting.
I mean, you failed at basketball.
You're never going to be in the NBA. You suck at software development.
brendan schaub
You're never going to win NASCAR. Oh, fuck.
bryan callen
You're right.
There's so many things I'm never going to do.
joe rogan
Tiger Kim doesn't even know who you are.
bryan callen
God damn it.
joe rogan
I called Tiger Kim.
bryan callen
Tiger Kim.
joe rogan
He knew who I was.
He didn't know who the fuck you were.
bryan callen
Dude, my kicks are sick.
joe rogan
My kicks are sick.
bryan callen
Dude, that's the fight right there.
Look at these two guys.
Two killers.
brendan schaub
Good luck picking five of the night tonight.
bryan callen
These are good fights.
Well done, Joe Silva.
joe rogan
I barely paid any attention.
Anybody that tuned in here wanting to hear us talk about fights, I'm so sorry.
I feel bad.
brendan schaub
Not me.
If you expected we were just going to talk about fights, ram your face into your wall.
I mean, we would never do that.
joe rogan
Brian Callen, isn't it important to admit things that you're a failure at?
I think that's important.
And you and I have had this conversation many times.
I'm a failure at almost everything I've ever done.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Ultimately.
And you find ways to be successful at it.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I've failed at everything.
bryan callen
Well, wisdom.
What is wisdom?
I think wisdom...
unidentified
Would you fail?
bryan callen
I didn't fail in shit.
But wait, wisdom, wisdom.
joe rogan
On the way to getting really good at shit, I failed at it.
bryan callen
Wisdom is to succeed in everything.
joe rogan
But no, I failed on the way.
bryan callen
No, listen, listen.
You always fail.
That's why I always say to younger people, listen to me because I've made more mistakes than you have.
Wisdom is wisdom.
unidentified
You win everything.
bryan callen
No, wisdom is, let me define wisdom.
Wisdom is coming to terms with your limitations and learning what to do with it.
That's what it is.
Wisdom is learning that you have limitations coming to terms with that, accepting it, and then learning what to do with that.
Learning how to make that work for you.
That's what it is.
That's how you learn.
You know how you learn?
You keep failing and you keep adjusting your approach and you keep getting closer to something.
Or you move on.
No.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
What happens?
Sometimes.
brendan schaub
Sometimes you got to move on.
joe rogan
Sometimes you get to go keto.
brendan schaub
Sometimes, son.
Do all these dice.
unidentified
You still all keto'd up?
bryan callen
By the way, he's trimmed up, man.
joe rogan
How about we have no idea who won this and we barely pay attention to an awesome fight?
brendan schaub
If Jimmy doesn't win this, I'll be furious.
joe rogan
I'm going to go home tonight and I'm going to watch this shit before I go to sleep.
Jeremy Stevens.
brendan schaub
What a fucking win.
joe rogan
That motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Powerful dad bod by DC on the side there.
joe rogan
Powerful Jeremy Stevens who's been on the Joe Rogan Experience.
bryan callen
It's tough on him.
brendan schaub
Hen and Bravas?
joe rogan
No.
Jeremy Stephens has been on.
I'll have him on again anytime he wants.
Jeremy, open invitation.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
My dog.
brendan schaub
What a big win.
unidentified
Huge.
brendan schaub
Huge fucking win.
joe rogan
Huge win.
Shut down one of the guys who was considered to be one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world just a year and a half ago.
bryan callen
Damn.
brendan schaub
For TJ. That seems like forever ago.
joe rogan
Shit.
brendan schaub
T.J. ate his lunch twice.
It is.
joe rogan
It is forever ago in the world of MMA. That's one of the weird things about this sport.
This sport is strange, man.
brendan schaub
You're only as good as your last fight.
joe rogan
Well, you're only as good as your last training session.
You could have a bad training session and they'll go into a fight like, man, I don't even know.
There's certain guys that you can take on as training partners.
They could fuck up your confidence for a fight.
Because you can know there's a Rumble Johnson like that out there.
If you're some dude who trains light heavyweight at Black House, and you're training with Rumble all day, you're like, what am I doing?
Why am I doing this?
What, do I like concussions?
What am I doing?
I'm gonna learn, I'm gonna get better with this fucking dude who's like the freak of freaks.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
Boom.
bryan callen
Although, like, Anderson, that's what makes him so extraordinary, his dominance for so long.
And then he got knocked out once, and then broke his leg, and, well, he's still fighting.
brendan schaub
Well, sometimes it ends.
joe rogan
Sometimes it ends.
brendan schaub
Sometimes it's just over.
joe rogan
He's also 40. He's also 40. There's a hundred factors involved.
There's life.
There's psychology.
There's psychology.
There's also understanding who you are as a human being and how that gets distorted by massive amounts of fame and praise and adulation and love from your countrymen and from people around the world because you're the champion of the world and recognize, my opinion, if you want to ask me, who's the greatest of all time, I will always say Anderson Silva.
No doubt.
I think Anderson Silva's the greatest MMA fighter.
bryan callen
Finished everybody.
joe rogan
He's the best.
brendan schaub
Beat the best.
He did things.
bryan callen
Finished everybody.
Everybody.
joe rogan
He did things during the apex of the prime of MMA that nobody had been able to do before.
He just was a monster, man.
When he was with the Vitor knockout, the front kick to the face.
brendan schaub
I was in person.
joe rogan
It was life-changing.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
Nate Marquardt.
Dude.
I mean, everybody.
Everybody.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
bryan callen
Everybody.
joe rogan
He was a monster.
brendan schaub
James Irvin.
joe rogan
How about the Forrest Griffin fight?
Jesus fucking Christ.
brendan schaub
When he went full matrix?
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
You talking about full matrix?
joe rogan
Full matrix.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Boom.
bryan callen
What was this coming up part?
brendan schaub
Chris Lieben.
joe rogan
Even the first wife fight, but not for me.
So that was an interesting fight for me, because that was a fight where I was telling everybody that worked for the UFC. I was like, do you understand what you have acquired?
I'm like, you've acquired, in my opinion, the baddest motherfucker in this division.
Like, do you understand how good this guy is?
eddie bravo
But he wasn't that dominant in Japan before that.
joe rogan
Oh, but it didn't matter.
brendan schaub
He's still a motherfucker.
joe rogan
It didn't matter.
bryan callen
Wait, who are you talking about?
joe rogan
Anderson?
unidentified
Anderson.
joe rogan
When Anderson came over to the UFC, I was adamant.
I'm like, you guys have a guy who, when I watch movement, I watch the way guys move.
I'm like, this guy can do some shit.
bryan callen
He can do some shit.
Was he just so much faster than most guys?
joe rogan
His Muay Thai, man.
brendan schaub
He moved different.
joe rogan
His Muay Thai is just like super, super high level.
There he is up there.
This is Anderson versus Forrest Griffin.
Look at that behind you.
This is Anderson in his prime.
And by the way, light heavyweight fight for a guy who's 20 pounds less as a champion.
And this is just an opportunity for Anderson to fight and not have to cut weight.
brendan schaub
And in Brazil.
joe rogan
Was this Brazil?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Against Forrest?
brendan schaub
Yeah, same card, because I fought Nogueira that night.
Pretty sure.
Am I right on that?
joe rogan
Why do I feel like this is Vegas?
brendan schaub
God, you might be right, Joe.
joe rogan
I feel like this is Mandalay Bay.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's right, because...
joe rogan
I feel like this is Vegas.
I don't think this is Brazil.
Janie, find out, please.
Young Janie.
brendan schaub
Because maybe Shogun fought Forrest in Brazil?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
brendan schaub
That's right, right?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of, Joe.
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
brendan schaub
My bad.
joe rogan
But when Anderson accidentally eye-poked or something?
brendan schaub
Then he does the major...
This is in Vegas.
You're right, Joe.
joe rogan
He opens him up and just relaxes, and Anderson was really good at figuring out your timing and lulling you to sleep with a false sense of security, and then out of nowhere he would just drop bombs on you.
brendan schaub
But then he took it to another level.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, this was the fight.
joe rogan
I think with Weidman, Weidman took him down early and threatened him with a knee bar, and I think he was really worried about the ground game.
It was actually in Philadelphia.
It was in Philly.
Thank you, Jamie.
bryan callen
Good God.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Boom.
bryan callen
And, you know...
joe rogan
Forrest is in trouble.
brendan schaub
Yeah, sure.
Forrest shook his head like, God damn it.
bryan callen
Forrest is every bit of 6'4", at least.
He's huge.
235. He's a big boy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Long arms.
He's a light heavyweight champ.
bryan callen
That's right.
He beat Rampage well.
joe rogan
Close fight.
bryan callen
I don't know what that means.
Close fight.
I was at that fight, though.
It was kind of cool.
unidentified
Were you?
bryan callen
Yes, I was.
I was right.
I was with you.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
bryan callen
Oh, look at this.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Another going out.
unidentified
That's what I'm going to start doing when I spot him.
joe rogan
Yeah, when he gets mad, I'm mad at Anderson.
bryan callen
I don't know why I got mad.
Look at how he moves his head, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's almost like Anderson got upset about.
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Matrix!
Oh, he's beating him up now, man.
brendan schaub
That was the Matrix right there.
Slow motion?
You've never seen some shit like that.
joe rogan
He ramped it up.
It's like he got mad.
brendan schaub
Some Roy Jones shit.
joe rogan
He got mad at Forrest.
I wonder what the fuck happened, man.
brendan schaub
For being white.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
White anger.
bryan callen
Excuse me.
The only difference between a white man and a black man is like this.
One man needs more sun for vitamin D. I'm mad at white people.
joe rogan
I'm mad at white people and I'm white.
brendan schaub
Me too.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
bryan callen
Anderson blocking those.
Look at him blocking those shots.
joe rogan
He's so loose.
bryan callen
Don't bring that shit into my fucking ring.
joe rogan
Well, Forrest pulled back on a round kick.
brendan schaub
Look at him.
He realized how slow Forrest is.
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
Oh, that right hand.
And that's it.
brendan schaub
Life force spread out like that.
joe rogan
That's a wrap, please.
Enough is enough.
eddie bravo
You know who talks shit on white people the best?
joe rogan
Me.
eddie bravo
Joey.
joe rogan
Oh, Joey does, yeah.
He's the best at talking shit about everything.
Fucking white people.
What did you think you want to do?
This fucking guy's been living in the jungle.
He's been dogging jaguars.
bryan callen
Jaguars are eating crocodiles.
joe rogan
This motherfucker's hitting him with a right hook.
bryan callen
Heel hooking him.
eddie bravo
Fucking white people.
unidentified
He's heel hooking flamingos in the fucking Everglades.
bryan callen
Alameda, Alameda is a bad mama.
unidentified
Fucking white people, you think you're going to take your centrum multivitamin once a day?
bryan callen
Get the fuck out of here!
unidentified
He's eating acai and he's getting steroids shot into the hole in his dick with a turkey baster!
Stupid!
joe rogan
I'll give him three stars of death.
Three stars of death.
There's a photo from Joey's Twitter.
I retweeted it yesterday.
He says, come on, Pittsburgh, who wants to meet the devil?
And it's in his hotel room.
He's got mushrooms and these stars of death, which I think these stars, the pot gummy stars, are like 500 milligrams of THC. Look at that fucking photograph.
That is 2,000 milligrams of THC and at least 3 grams of mushrooms.
eddie bravo
Are you ready to see the devil?
unidentified
Oh, shit!
eddie bravo
That's a Thursday night film.
Mushrooms and stars of death.
Mushrooms and stars of death.
joe rogan
And that's how he's living.
eddie bravo
That's the name of an album.
bryan callen
He doesn't take mushrooms before he performs.
joe rogan
Of course he does.
You shut the fuck up.
Oh my god, you hurt my feelings.
That's a little bit.
bryan callen
What?
eddie bravo
That's a little bit.
brendan schaub
I got a piece for the main event.
bryan callen
Stop it.
eddie bravo
But that is an amazing picture.
joe rogan
More wine, please.
eddie bravo
Is that on his Twitter?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
I retweeted it.
I have another bottle, but it turned.
eddie bravo
That's a very good action.
joe rogan
Pour that turned shit in my glass.
brendan schaub
Turned.
joe rogan
Turned.
You're so gross.
You're so gross with your wine.
brendan schaub
Turn that up.
bryan callen
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
Turn it up!
bryan callen
That's good.
It's just different.
brendan schaub
Let's get your job off the turnt line.
bryan callen
Go ahead and get involved.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking photo.
Pittsburgh, are you ready to see the devil?
The improv at 7 and 9 p.m.
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
Look at that.
I'm sorry, Bubba.
I'm sorry.
Come on, Bubba.
unidentified
He's the best.
bryan callen
You don't have to suck my dick, but...
joe rogan
Oh, by the way...
bryan callen
Eddie's a junkie.
I'll suck your dick.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz will be here on Tuesday.
Joey Diaz will be here Tuesday.
bryan callen
Hey, you fucks.
I'll be in St. Louis June 9th, 10th, and 11th at Helium Comedy Club, you fucks.
No, I didn't say that.
That was Jamie.
Hey, you guys, this is Jamie.
Brian's going to be in Helium Comedy Club at St. Louis.
joe rogan
I heard St. Louis is a rough joint, dude.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Killian?
No, St. Louis.
bryan callen
Oh.
I've been there.
It's nice.
It's rough.
Come on, man.
What's his name from there?
Who's that rapper?
joe rogan
Everyone's getting crazy.
Nelly.
bryan callen
Yeah, fucking Nelly's my boy.
eddie bravo
Hey, Brian.
joe rogan
With that girl behind us, do you think that girl understands the cameras on her?
bryan callen
Right behind Justin Buchholz?
She's fantastic.
joe rogan
She's looking at Cody going, I'd let him fuck my mouth.
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
I'm sure she's not a pro.
joe rogan
What are you trying to say, bros?
unidentified
I didn't say anything.
joe rogan
Just because a girl's a good-looking girl.
bryan callen
That's all I meant.
That's all I meant.
A professional hot girl.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, if there was a guy, okay, that was standing back there and that was looking at a stud woman that's like the female equivalent to Cody, that'd be like a natural thing to say.
bryan callen
Too many tattoos.
Cody, too many tattoos, of course.
Of course too many tattoos.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That's how you attract a certain type of female.
bryan callen
Is that true?
joe rogan
Of course.
bryan callen
Cody, Cody, the neck.
joe rogan
Girls like dangerous shit.
bryan callen
The neck.
joe rogan
Some girls like dangerous shit.
They like it.
eddie bravo
You know what?
He's so good looking, he could do that shit.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's a dynasty.
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter.
He could put a tattoo right on his face.
joe rogan
Oh, he's first team.
He's first team.
brendan schaub
Alan Jobin's the captain.
Luke Rockhold's co-captain.
bryan callen
He's very cute.
He's a little short to be.
joe rogan
Luke Rockhold is the captain.
brendan schaub
No way.
unidentified
You're wrong.
joe rogan
He's taller.
bryan callen
He wins.
brendan schaub
Alan Jobin is with Versace.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't matter.
Luke's taller.
Luke could be with Versace, too.
bryan callen
You gotta put height in there.
joe rogan
He seeks it out.
brendan schaub
No, he can't.
He don't have the face structure.
joe rogan
He's too legit to even be signed.
That's aggressive.
You know Yes, I'm saying he's too legit to be signed.
unidentified
I agree with you.
brendan schaub
What's signed?
joe rogan
Once you get signed by a modeling agent, then you're a model.
If you're just as good looking and you're not signed, you're more legit.
bryan callen
I agree with you.
brendan schaub
What?
I think Joban's more legit.
joe rogan
No!
unidentified
No!
bryan callen
Hey guys, we don't talk about anything, huh?
We're all fucking idiots.
eddie bravo
What if he's so hot that he got the tattoos on his neck to keep the girls at bay and shit?
brendan schaub
So he's gay?
eddie bravo
No, he's just like, shit, there's too many.
bryan callen
I gotta do something.
brendan schaub
No guy's ever said that.
eddie bravo
You never know.
joe rogan
What's going on?
What's going on?
What's going on...
eddie bravo
Why do we have to go there that's not right?
joe rogan
What's going on is he's trying to get a specific quality of female.
unidentified
I'm married.
eddie bravo
You know what I'm saying?
We can't do this.
joe rogan
He's tired of women that are looking for some sort of long-term, serious commitment.
brendan schaub
So you tattoo on your neck.
joe rogan
Morals and religious beliefs.
So your neck tattoo and only drags in the freaks.
bryan callen
He's got some tits on him.
brendan schaub
Bro, I saw Joban.
Giant poster.
New York.
New York City.
Him.
Shirt off.
Jesus.
joe rogan
Handsome man.
Beautiful man.
brendan schaub
Oh, we're talking Billboard, son.
Versace.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Brian, why are you scared of weed?
bryan callen
No, I'm not, guys.
I'll do it if you're friendly with me.
joe rogan
Well, Brendan just reached for it and he put it out.
bryan callen
I will, too.
And I'll do jiu-jitsu, too, from now on.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
eddie bravo
I thought you guys were done.
brendan schaub
I keep going back to Joban.
You're fucking crazy thinking anyone's on that level.
joe rogan
I like how you're trying to distract the conversation.
bryan callen
Luke has got him beat.
Nobody has Ronaldo beat.
brendan schaub
You're crazy.
bryan callen
Nobody has Ronaldo beat.
brendan schaub
Joban looks like Ronaldo.
bryan callen
Not quite.
joe rogan
This conversation got way too gay for me.
bryan callen
I'm with you.
brendan schaub
And I'm way too serious about it.
I'm way too serious about it.
bryan callen
All this talk and no emotion, that's bullshit.
Dude, look at him there.
Look at him there.
I'm with you.
You guys are whack.
Joban's a beautiful man.
joe rogan
We gotta be a little better about talking over each other.
I know I keep saying this.
Where's the lotion?
I'm as guilty as everybody.
bryan callen
You're the lonely voice in the wilderness.
He keeps bringing us back.
joe rogan
Because I'm the one who has to read the tweets.
bryan callen
You're right.
eddie bravo
No, but we're talking about Joe Baird's ass.
joe rogan
Listen, this is the most beautiful thing ever.
I think we're all working together to create a piece of art.
We just gotta be real careful about stomping on each other's words.
bryan callen
A piece of art.
A turkey baster of steroids in somebody's dick.
eddie bravo
It's okay when you're talking about gay shit.
It's okay.
brendan schaub
It's not even gay.
Joe Bann's a good looking dude.
I think he's first team.
joe rogan
How about Thomas Almeida?
eddie bravo
He's married, bro.
How many times I gotta tell you he's married?
joe rogan
Thomas Almeida's not a bad looking fella either.
bryan callen
How dare you?
Almeida is a killer.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
joe rogan
He looks like Adele next to Joe Bann.
brendan schaub
How dare you?
eddie bravo
How fucking dare you?
unidentified
With all due respect, the guy's a great looking guy.
joe rogan
Exactly what they're looking for.
bryan callen
Hey, man, listen, he's a twink.
joe rogan
He's called a twink in the gay community.
This kid is a fucking savage.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
Thomas Almeida is a goddamn savage.
bryan callen
He's gonna win this fight.
brendan schaub
Tough fight for Garbrandt.
joe rogan
Oh, Brian, with this nonsense of winning.
What did you say about the last fight?
You were wrong, correct?
bryan callen
No, I was baiting you guys, but here's the thing.
He's going to win this fight.
joe rogan
He certainly can win.
But you know what?
Cody can win too.
Both these guys are undefeated.
brendan schaub
Almeida's the favorite.
bryan callen
Almeida's got 22 fights.
joe rogan
Of course he is.
But let me tell you something.
Brad Pickett stunned Almeida.
And he stunned him and hurt him with a left hook.
bryan callen
Pickett's a great boxer.
joe rogan
That's true.
It's true.
But, I'm telling you, Cody Garbrandt, I believe at this stage of his career in life, he's only 24 years old, he's faster and more dangerous with his hands.
brendan schaub
He also hits harder than anyone at 135. Yes.
Because of his boxing background.
joe rogan
Yes, he has a very strong boxing background.
So, if Cody can impose his boxing skills in a similar manner to what Brad Pickett did, we might see some interesting results.
By interesting, you mean KO. But I'm telling you, this guy's hard to take out.
He's a goddamn savage.
This fucking kid, Thomas Almeida, is something super special.
brendan schaub
He takes hits, though, Joe.
joe rogan
But he comes back.
He's never fought against...
Brad Pickett hits fucking hard, man.
bryan callen
He didn't punch.
joe rogan
Brad Pickett dropped him, and Almeida came back and knocked him out with a flying knee KO in the next round.
We're about to watch some crazy epic shit that could...
Easily be a world championship fight.
Easily.
Maybe Garbrand is a year away from world championship caliber.
brendan schaub
He wins this, he's off to the races.
You beat No.
8 undefeated?
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
And you look like that?
joe rogan
Cody is, in my opinion, a year, a year and a half away from fighting for a title.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Which means it could happen tomorrow.
brendan schaub
Hey, name the last guy who was on rank to lead a main event that wasn't a legend.
joe rogan
Well, what is Cody's ranking at all?
unidentified
He's not ranked.
joe rogan
He's not in the top 15. He's certainly dangerous, and he certainly comes from a really good team.
He's a team alpha male guy.
They've got a long history of success.
brendan schaub
He's a knockout artist.
joe rogan
He's a knockout artist.
He has awesome hands.
unidentified
How tall is he?
joe rogan
I think he's 5'8".
bryan callen
That's pretty tall.
That's not short.
joe rogan
5'8", yeah.
bryan callen
5'8", 5'8", is tall enough.
5'8", is tall enough.
joe rogan
5'8", is tall enough.
Almeida's 5'7".
brendan schaub
21-0.
joe rogan
Almeida's a gangster, dude.
He's so solid.
brendan schaub
I like Garbrandt, man.
joe rogan
We're about to watch some fucking technical martial arts chaos.
That's what we're about to watch.
brendan schaub
You can watch Garbrandt sock him in the face.
joe rogan
You might watch that, or you might watch Almeida hit him with a fucking switched knee as he's coming in.
You might watch some leg kicks that take...
Cody Garbrandt out of the game.
It's all dependent upon approach.
This is guessing and theoretical ideas.
It's theoretical that if Cody keeps it on the feet and sprawls and brawls, he wins.
But that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
Kevin Randleman knocked out Mirko Krokop with a left hook.
Yeah, I mean, this is a crazy game we're about to watch.
I mean, this is as crazy a game as people play.
Throw my bones at you with all my might.
bryan callen
That's it?
joe rogan
The same kind of power that produces a 90-plus mile-an-hour fastball, and I'm gonna stuff it into your fucking lips.
eddie bravo
The game is shutting you off.
brendan schaub
That's the game, yeah.
eddie bravo
Make you quit or shut you off.
bryan callen
Uh-oh, uh-oh!
Capuera!
Capuera in the house!
Capuera in the fucking house!
joe rogan
Cody opens up with one of those crazy roundhouse games where you touch the ground.
bryan callen
It's called a Capuera roundhouse, damn it.
joe rogan
Here's the problem with that.
You probably shouldn't be able to touch the ground on purpose and then punch a guy with that same hand without the referee wiping it off.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, Joe, come on.
joe rogan
No, if you go to the ground in boxing, they wipe your hands off.
You ever notice that?
They wipe your hands off?
bryan callen
What's that fucking tattoo on the back?
Is that a rose on the back of his mat?
joe rogan
Because there's a bunch of people walking.
Like, the referee walks through the arena and then uses those same shoes as walking around on his mat.
eddie bravo
I say make him wash his feet.
joe rogan
I say, um...
brendan schaub
Think how many people are in the ring, though, in between.
bryan callen
Baby wipes.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, hey, hey, hey.
joe rogan
What happened?
eddie bravo
I like that part.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
We lost power.
brendan schaub
Hey, Fox Sports 1. Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Came back.
bryan callen
Calm down, everybody.
joe rogan
What was that, Jamie?
bryan callen
Calm down.
joe rogan
No ideas?
brendan schaub
No big deal.
unidentified
No big deal.
brendan schaub
Shut us down.
joe rogan
Scary.
Cody Garbrandt with the left hook.
bryan callen
Garbrandt.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, every fight when it's dangerous starts off with hands because you don't feel comfortable enough to start throwing kicks unless you're some crazy Muay Thai-style kicking expert where it's a part of your natural thing.
bryan callen
Damn, Garbrandt's killer.
joe rogan
But guys who are straight up MMA fighters, they tend to favor hands when they're nervous.
So when you're favoring hands, Garbrandt's got a pretty fucking nice advantage over a large percentage of the people he's faced so far.
brendan schaub
Especially with his boxing background.
Joe, wouldn't you say most guys favor grappling in the beginning?
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that, but there's also hands before kicks.
bryan callen
Garbrandt's got some speed.
joe rogan
Fuck, he's got speed.
And Almeida likes to throw knees and likes to throw kicks, but he might get conservative in his approach because of the fact that Garbrandt's hands are so good that he doesn't want to open himself up to like...
He probably considered straight right counters to right leg kicks.
Look how heavy Garbrandt is on the front leg.
I would assume that he's ready for a straight right hand counter.
Dude, how quick are his right leg kicks too?
unidentified
Look at his hands.
brendan schaub
How quick...
His hands are lightning fast.
bryan callen
Yes they are.
joe rogan
His right leg kick is really fast, too, man.
It's not just his hand.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
That left arm!
joe rogan
The man is in trouble!
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
He's in big trouble!
unidentified
Oh!
Cody!
Oh, man!
joe rogan
Cody garb brants all over him!
brendan schaub
Relaxed, too.
Only eight fights.
unidentified
What's up?
joe rogan
Right hand!
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
Look at this killer!
How good is that neck tattoo look if he wins?
brendan schaub
Yeah, what's up now, Brian?
joe rogan
That's an apple, son.
bryan callen
Nah, he's bathing him, he's bathing him.
He's playing possum, playing possum.
brendan schaub
That's a pair of plums on his neck.
bryan callen
Damn, Almeida can take a punch, guys.
joe rogan
He can get a star right below his eye if he wins.
brendan schaub
100%.
bryan callen
If Almeida can take a punch, look at his shit.
Did you see him just take that beating in his state standing there?
joe rogan
This is crazy.
brendan schaub
Someone's going out, son.
Someone's going out early, son.
joe rogan
Cody's teeing off on him, man.
brendan schaub
Cody's getting a little reckless.
Stay control, buddy.
joe rogan
Doesn't matter.
It looks like...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Boom!
What's up, bitch?
Cody nailed him!
It's over, baby!
That's it!
joe rogan
That's it!
Oh, my God, Cody.
unidentified
Huge win.
joe rogan
Cody is legit as fuck.
brendan schaub
You up on top ten now.
Hey, you fucks, that vote.
unidentified
Legit as fuck.
brendan schaub
He just beat number eight.
unidentified
He's undefeated.
I told you.
bryan callen
I told you, fuckers.
joe rogan
He didn't just beat him.
He took him out in the first round.
brendan schaub
Hey, you Cheeto finger fucks.
Rank him.
joe rogan
Brian, didn't you say that you were rooting for, didn't you?
Who?
bryan callen
Me?
joe rogan
Thomas?
No, I've been a Garbrandt fan since fucking 90, 96. Wait a minute, did you say Almeida for sure was going to win?
bryan callen
No, dude, and since 2011, he's been my boy.
I was watching this kid wrestle.
joe rogan
Cody's in hell.
bryan callen
I told you, fucks.
brendan schaub
Hard to say that at 35, son.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at this.
Beautiful.
unidentified
Dude!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
He grew up boxing.
joe rogan
Dude, the technique, though, even with the grounded pound going right to the hammer fist.
unidentified
Look at his power.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
It's beautiful.
unidentified
That was fake.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
brendan schaub
What a fucking huge win, man.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
brendan schaub
Good for him.
joe rogan
To me, that's like a mountain covered in snow with a sunrise.
unidentified
Good God.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that shit was great.
bryan callen
It definitely has visual triggers, like porn.
joe rogan
It's right up there with the ass-to-waste ratio.
bryan callen
Yep.
brendan schaub
Well...
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Damn, bro.
bryan callen
That's beautiful.
eddie bravo
I respect that.
brendan schaub
I have to strongly disagree.
bryan callen
Eddie is so high he can barely open his eyes.
joe rogan
Let's shut this off.
Shut this off.
I don't want to watch anymore.
I've had enough violence.
unidentified
I've had enough violence.
brendan schaub
Garbrandt doing the damn thing.
unidentified
Good stuff, guys.
brendan schaub
My favorite fight at 35, son.
joe rogan
God damn, he looked good tonight.
This was like a coming out party for Garbrandt.
brendan schaub
He's not ranked.
They give him undefeated, 21-0, 8th ranked guy in the world, and he starches.
joe rogan
Well, not 21-0.
He's lost two fights in a row.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Well, what do you mean?
You're not talking about tonight.
brendan schaub
I'm talking about tonight.
joe rogan
Well, Henan Burrell was lost a couple of times.
brendan schaub
I'm not talking about Henan Burrell.
I was talking about Cody Garbrandt and the Almeida fight.
Almeida's undefeated.
He hasn't lost.
My bad.
joe rogan
I'm confused.
I got baffled.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, Cody did.
brendan schaub
You gotta rank him.
joe rogan
Yeah, what Cody did tonight was, like, impose his skills in a way that I don't think you've ever seen him do before.
That was, like, the best version of all of his combinations.
He's a coming out party.
Yeah, for sure.
brendan schaub
He's a coming out party.
He's a star now.
He's a good-looking dude.
All knockouts.
eddie bravo
He looked so professional and calm in all that fire, in that fire range, in that fucking squadron of death range when you gotta...
He was so...
His eyes were so focused.
He was so relaxed.
And I don't know shit about striking.
But, I mean, he looked like Bruce Lee.
joe rogan
You know what?
This was a great card.
bryan callen
He looked like Bruce Lee.
joe rogan
This was a great card, not just because the match-ups were fun, but look what we had.
We had Jeremy Stephens beat Hennenborough.
I was like, wow, that was a big fucking win for Jeremy Stephens.
Holy shit.
And then we had Cody Garbrandt take it to the totally next level.
So it was a perfect co-main and then main.
brendan schaub
Like I said, big performance of the night.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
How are you going to do that?
joe rogan
I mean, it's also amazing that Hennon Burrell, who just two fights ago was the world champion.
brendan schaub
And some said pound for pound, best for best in the world.
They were like weighing him in and out.
joe rogan
I was thinking he was number three.
I was like, it was Jon Jones.
I felt like, well, four.
I was like, because it was before Aldo got stopped by McGregor.
brendan schaub
But Demetrius wasn't.
joe rogan
It was like a little bit below...
It's all subjective, but it was in the mix.
Hennon was definitely in the mix.
brendan schaub
Top five for sure.
For sure.
eddie bravo
And for all those people that were on the fence, all those people that were on the fence about a neck tattoo, boom, they got sidekicked over.
Bam!
They got boom!
joe rogan
I know, for sure.
For real.
bryan callen
I'm getting a neck tattoo.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
I think this is important to talk about for all MMA fans.
There's an issue that keeps coming up.
With MMA and social media that I think people need to relax about.
Like, all of us, as friends, disagree about shit.
But we're not douchey about it.
Like, if you think that Hennon Burrell was going to be able to figure out a way to beat Jeremy Stevens, but I think that Jeremy Stevens' power and experience at 145 pounds is going to prevail, we don't have to be enemies.
But there's this weird thing going on.
If you say something, and I disagree with it, if that hits online, if two people disagree online, people assume that there's some sort of a horrible argument going on.
And they assume that there's some negativity.
unidentified
And it gets mean.
eddie bravo
You hate each other, but you know.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Good friends disagree all the time.
bryan callen
But that's a tendency for people...
joe rogan
How many times have you and I... I mean, you're as close as a human being as I could be with you guys.
All of you guys.
You later in my life.
But all of us.
brendan schaub
I'm still up there.
joe rogan
You're up there, dawg.
bryan callen
You know what I'm saying, dawg.
joe rogan
But you know what I'm saying?
How many times have we disagreed about shit?
unidentified
Can we have a minute?
joe rogan
We've had some...
We've had some intense disagreements.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
We've had some intense disagreements, but through those disagreements, you learn to consider other people's perspectives.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but online, Joe, they call it hating.
They'll say it's hating.
It's called critical thinking.
unidentified
It's not hating.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't mean...
It's critical thinking.
Listen, my love for both of you, and you too, my love for all of you, it doesn't change depending upon whether or not I agree with you or disagree with you.
eddie bravo
Of course.
joe rogan
Exactly.
eddie bravo
And the clearest example of that is the chemtrail issue.
unidentified
LAUGHTER Yes, it is.
joe rogan
It's pretty goddamn clear.
eddie bravo
You're so anti-Chemtrail, and I'm all about Chemtrail.
joe rogan
That doesn't matter.
This is what I really feel like.
I feel like it is entirely possible that at one point in time, they have experimented with spraying things in the air.
It's entirely not possible they do it all the time, and then they just scatter through the sky.
No one says all the time.
No one says all the time.
Or control the weather.
No one says all the time.
But then there's the issue of when jet engines actually go through condensation in the atmosphere.
eddie bravo
No one said there isn't legit contrails.
unidentified
It actually changes the temperature of the water getting sucked into the turbines.
joe rogan
It's heat!
unidentified
It's like we didn't hear that!
joe rogan
Exactly!
eddie bravo
Like we haven't heard that a million times!
It's the engine and the air!
unidentified
I love you!
joe rogan
Eddie!
Eddie says costals!
unidentified
You asked for this!
It's like, wait a minute!
You asked for this!
eddie bravo
We've never heard this before.
joe rogan
Eddie, stay calm.
unidentified
Are you trying to tell me that the engine has heat and then makes clouds?
bryan callen
Yes, Eddie.
eddie bravo
Are you sure?
unidentified
This motherfucker told me the other day that 9-11 was real.
joe rogan
What do you mean real?
Like it actually happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I was here September 11th, and then I woke up September 12th, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that was real.
unidentified
I said, wait till Eddie gets here.
eddie bravo
Hey, that was a hologram.
Those towers were a hologram.
That shit never existed.
Look in the scriptures.
Look in the scriptures.
They never talk about the Twin Towers.
joe rogan
That's right.
brendan schaub
Winding him up.
bryan callen
Ladies and gentlemen, another episode of chaos.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know you're doing the Riders on the Storm?
You know the craziest thing about the Riders on the Storm?
The craziest thing about the doors?
Do you know that Jim Morrison's dad orchestrated the Gulf of Tonkin?
Did you know fucking that?
unidentified
No.
Wow.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
eddie bravo
This is the craziest thing, and that's not a conspiracy.
Jamie He was a Navy Level need and was he high-level Jim Morrison's dad Jim Morrison's dad orchestrated the Gulf of Tonkin Look at his dad.
brendan schaub
It's true.
eddie bravo
It's real.
It's not a conspiracy.
brendan schaub
Did you write this Wikipedia page?
joe rogan
This is the problem with being friends with both Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo.
Occasionally they have solid points.
eddie bravo
Check this out.
This is the craziest thing.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
brendan schaub
It's true.
eddie bravo
You want 90 seconds of the craziest shit that I'm into right now?
joe rogan
I want 120 minutes.
eddie bravo
Listen, listen, real quick.
Real, real, real quick.
I gotta blaze through some shit really quick and you just gotta go and start.
Let me open my mind.
bryan callen
I'm opening my mind.
I'm opening my mind.
eddie bravo
Okay, you gotta know that there's a woman named Kay Griggs who is married to a high-ranking Army Joint Chiefs of Staff Officer George Griggs.
bryan callen
General.
eddie bravo
He's legit.
They were married, and she knows all about his life.
He was raised as an assassin.
He was a Navy SEAL. He was a CIA operative.
He was UN Special Forces.
UN. And then he became a high-ranking, this is not a conspiracy.
You talking about the movie Triple H? His name is George Griggs.
There's a shitload.
unidentified
Did you just give us the plot to Triple X? Exactly.
brendan schaub
Is that what he just did?
joe rogan
Let him finish.
eddie bravo
You gotta know this.
There's a woman named Kay Griggs.
She was all in it, too.
There's an eight-hour interview of hers chopped up a million times this one chick.
You can believe it or not, maybe she's some crazy bitch, but let me take you through this.
She can be crazy, full of shit.
She's basically saying how the world is run based on her husband, who is high-ranking in army intelligence, real good friends with George Sr. Like, right there!
She was...
Basically is a whistleblower.
She's on, there's a one interview, eight hours, she goes off and she breaks it off.
And she basically, if you believe what she says, she basically says, the CIA, that's just a scapegoat.
They're not doing shit.
The people that are really running the world are army intelligence, naval intelligence, and air force intelligence.
She said, they're the ones, Kay Griggs, that's it.
brendan schaub
There's the snitch.
eddie bravo
She says, that's who's running the world.
They're all...
And what it's all about, it's all about gun-running and just selling arms.
It's all about, it's like mafia.
It's all high-ranking army intelligence, mafia, gun-running, drug-running.
They've always done it.
Her husband's part of it.
These assassins, they can...
And they're all Jews!
No, but if you believe that, okay, if you believe that, just let me take you through this.
So, she's saying army intelligence runs through all this shit, right?
So then you find out that...
You know that actor, rock star dude, Jared Leto?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You bet your sweet ass I do.
eddie bravo
He bought, for $4 million, he bought, in the Laurel Canyon, in the Hollywood Hills, he bought a former, top secret, Air Force intelligence base.
brendan schaub
Alright, you lost me on this.
eddie bravo
It was there.
In Hollywood.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm out.
eddie bravo
In Laurel Canyon.
brendan schaub
This is Brendan X and Al.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
Okay, I'm trying to tell you.
joe rogan
Let him come on, man.
eddie bravo
This is how it connects to Jim Morrison.
I'm trying to connect to Jim Morrison.
bryan callen
Look at Joe being very human.
eddie bravo
Listen, I don't know if this is real, but this is what I've looked into, you idiot.
joe rogan
Look, look, look.
Investigating the shadowy conspiracy that Jared Leto led Jared Leto to buy the nuclear bomb film studio in Laurel Canyon.
brendan schaub
Yeah, so check this out.
Curbed Los Angeles, yeah.
unidentified
Okay, so you don't think that Jared Leto bought a top secret air...
joe rogan
You don't believe that's true?
That's not a conspiracy theory.
eddie bravo
That's real.
joe rogan
Okay, hold on.
eddie bravo
What's the big deal?
joe rogan
Oh, I'm so weird!
I know you have this instinct to mock things.
brendan schaub
I'm not even mocking.
joe rogan
You are, for sure.
You gotta follow me.
Let him go.
brendan schaub
Follow me.
I'm with Jared Leto.
bryan callen
Open your mind, you fuckers.
eddie bravo
It doesn't have to be true!
joe rogan
There's no need to talk.
eddie bravo
You watch bullshit TV that's not true and you accept not true.
Don't qualify it.
brendan schaub
Sir, please continue.
unidentified
Sir, please continue.
eddie bravo
This is Game of Thrones, which may have an ounce of truth.
It makes it better.
But Game of Thrones, okay?
You watch Game of Thrones, this is...
So Jared Leto, if you look at it, he bought a top secret for, since the 40s, it was top secret.
And what they find then, and this is all, this is not conspiracy theory, that this top secret Air Force intelligence base was mainly a full fucking force film studio where they made propaganda films.
Right here in Hollywood.
Marilyn Monroe, fucking Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, all of them making propaganda films that no one can...
There's no records of what films were made there.
You can't tell which films were made in the studio which weren't.
And then you start looking and you're like, okay, okay, Jared Leto bought this Air Force, okay.
And then you...
There's this book called Weird Scenes in Laurel Canyon.
And in this book, the author of this book...
This is the craziest shit.
If you look, it's not a conspiracy theory.
All the bands from the mid-60s, the Doors, the Eagles, all of them, Frank Zappa, the Mamas and the Papas, Crosby, Stills, and Nash, they all came from Laurel Canyon.
unidentified
Motherfucker.
joe rogan
That's also like Hate Asbury during...
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
bryan callen
Hate Asbury was after this.
eddie bravo
Hate Asbury was after this!
joe rogan
Hate Ashbery was doing the 60s.
unidentified
I'm trying to tell you some shit.
joe rogan
So what do you think happened?
eddie bravo
So this is what this book is about.
Isn't it fucking weird?
Isn't it fucking suspicious and crazy that there's this top secret Air Force intelligence base right there in Laurel Canyon and in the mid-60s...
All the bands that started the hippie movement, the anti-war movement, they all came from Laurel Canyon.
And guess what?
All their parents are in intelligence.
So these were all of them, the doors, all of them.
Came from Laurel Canyon.
They're all...
Most of them in the band.
None of them got drafted to Vietnam.
None of them got drafted.
Jim Morrison's father orchestrated the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
It gets pretty fucking weird.
Like, this is crazy fucking weird.
And Jared fucking Leto...
bryan callen
Eddie, can I ask you a question?
eddie bravo
...was raised by his grandfather.
brendan schaub
Let him finish, Brian.
bryan callen
Eddie, are you suggesting...
brendan schaub
Brian, let him finish.
joe rogan
Brian, Brian, Brian.
I'm asking him a question.
No, no, no.
Let him finish.
brendan schaub
We're almost through this.
eddie bravo
The guy who wrote the book, his name is...
I don't care.
The book is called...
joe rogan
David Icke?
Is it?
eddie bravo
Dave McGowan.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Dave McGowan, right?
brendan schaub
I've heard of him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, so according to him, and when you look into this, out of nowhere, in the 60s, these bands didn't struggle.
They got signed quick.
All of them, all these clubs in Hollywood pop up.
The Troubadour, the Whiskey.
This guy investigated this shit.
There's a conspiracy theory out there.
It could be total bullshit.
It could be totally bullshit.
But there's a conspiracy theory out there.
In Laurel Canyon, there was some intelligence.
There was a base.
brendan schaub
Brian, let him finish, please.
eddie bravo
There was a base.
brendan schaub
Brian, let him finish, please.
bryan callen
Don't tell me that the military fucking wrote that awesome music that fucking Crosby, Stills, Nash& Young did.
And then all those motherfuckers did.
How dare you?
joe rogan
Everybody let you talk for a long time.
You gotta let Brian talk.
bryan callen
How dare you give the U.S. military or the Air Force or anybody in the U.S. government credit for the fucking awesome rock and roll that came out and culminated in 1968, peaking at Haight-Ashbury.
How fucking dare you?
joe rogan
Crank that shit, Jamie.
unidentified
Eddie, you are a fucking plant, and you work for the U.S. fucking government!
joe rogan
You C.I.A. motherfuckers!
eddie bravo
I was like, morning down and shit!
bryan callen
I'm going to fuck you up right now, but you beat me up!
God damn it, I'm going to let you fuck my asshole!
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, this has been the Joe Rogan Experience!
joe rogan
No, we're not done.
We're not going anywhere.
bryan callen
Sorry, there was music!
I thought I was fucking...
joe rogan
Here's the thing, Eddie, you realize this as much as I realize this, as much as anybody who is big brown, and we're all parents.
Okay, what we realize is it takes a lot of fucking time and effort to raise children and communicate with children and raise children.
It's a lot of time.
And if you're working for the government, you don't have that kind of time.
And you certainly don't have the kind of time to hypnotize some fucking kid and brainwash him into making the most excellent music the world's ever known.
Hold on, hold on!
That is the opposite of what actually- You don't have to brainwash!
eddie bravo
Hold on, Eddie!
joe rogan
I let you talk!
Eddie, I let you talk!
bryan callen
Keep going, Joe.
joe rogan
It's the opposite.
What the opposite is is a child that grows up in an oppressive, strict, conservative family that's connected to the military and realizes that this is bullshit.
And they start doing drugs and acid and they start drinking and they start hanging out with fucking weirdos and they produce amazing music.
bryan callen
Yes!
joe rogan
And that's what we see.
And you can connect the two of them.
But I think it's an erroneous connection.
I think it's a connection that appeals to your desire to think that the world is controlled by a cabal of intelligent super...
Come on, Eddie.
The cabal of intelligent super geniuses that have somehow figured out a way to...
Manage their own love lives, their own financial accounts, their own real estate fucking holdings, their own stock market portfolios, their own relationships with their co-workers, their hobbies, the hookers that they occasionally stick their penis into.
They have time for all that plus chemtrails.
I say no!
There's not enough time in the world, and the government did not make Led Zeppelin!
Amen!
unidentified
The government is not responsible for their doors!
eddie bravo
How dare you any problem?
I talked about this before.
I want to be in the goddamn Illuminati, if they're goddamn listening.
joe rogan
Of course you do.
brendan schaub
That's why you're doing it.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's the problem.
bryan callen
Eddie, you just gave the military credit for all the great music that came out of the 60s.
You fucking military.
brendan schaub
How dare you?
bryan callen
You are a fucking plant.
unidentified
You're a shill.
eddie bravo
I want to start my own false flag campaign.
joe rogan
Alex Jones is going to call you a shill Monday morning.
We got a disturbing turn of events.
Eddie Bravo, I've had on this podcast.
unidentified
I did not know he was an Illuminati shill.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
He is on the Joe Rogan Experience.
Yes.
eddie bravo
Yes, I want to do it.
joe rogan
Ten trails proven to be false.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
False flag.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
I want to fucking...
Oh my God.
joe rogan
You're in.
eddie bravo
Oh, please.
Let me orchestrate my own false flags.
joe rogan
You have to bowhunt.
eddie bravo
I talked about this before.
brendan schaub
I would get that fucking oil from Alaska.
eddie bravo
I would go in there and make it look...
Sound like Trump.
Make it look like the ISIS is...
Eskimos are training ISIS. I would...
bryan callen
You're a national treasure, and I love you.
eddie bravo
I blow up blue whales.
bryan callen
Eddie Brown is a national treasure.
joe rogan
None of these things are true.
brendan schaub
It has to be frustrating, Eddie, to believe something.
You constantly have to back it up and defend it.
joe rogan
It must be exhausting.
eddie bravo
It's very exhausting.
joe rogan
You know what I'm talking about?
eddie bravo
You know what I'm talking about?
With what we were talking about before the podcast, just think about that.
It's the same shit.
It's like that.
It's like, God damn.
Sometimes it's like, please, Illuminati, take me.
I want to fuck with these motherfuckers.
I want to fuck with these motherfuckers.
brendan schaub
You're too outspoken.
eddie bravo
Science, science.
Oh, I want to get them.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Science, science, science.
Why are you measuring shit?
What are you guys doing?
Figuring out numbers?
unidentified
Science?
joe rogan
What are you, weighing things?
unidentified
No, no.
eddie bravo
No, the crazy thing is.
unidentified
Science.
Oh, your distance and your speed.
joe rogan
Time and space.
You're so fucking smart.
unidentified
What about psychics, bro?
bryan callen
Your measurable experiments.
joe rogan
What about UFO abductions?
How come they all see the same shit, bro?
I want to do a psychic, bro.
bryan callen
Best cheese I've ever had.
brendan schaub
This tastes like shit.
bryan callen
I love that cheese.
brendan schaub
That's weird.
joe rogan
It's both.
I think both things are true.
I mean, Gulf of Tonkin was obviously a coordinated false flag event.
The Operation Northwoods was obviously an idea that they had tried to pass, where it got through the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
It was signed and vetoed by Kennedy, where they're going to have a false flag on American civilians.
There's obviously have been, throughout human history, liars and manipulators that were in charge.
We should certainly have some healthy skepticism, but we also have to take into consideration how much fucking time does a person have in a day?
Who are all these masterminds?
How much of this is just convenient?
brendan schaub
Yes, and you're talking about the exception.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, how much of what's going on like the 60s shit?
How much is just convenient rebellion, obvious rebellion?
You know, if you grow up with someone who's some sort of a fucking military asshole, and he's super strict, I mean, how many rock stars have come from that background?
It's like a giant number.
brendan schaub
It's their outlet.
Being creative, writing music, drugs.
joe rogan
If you're going to be a fighter, I can guarantee you, talk to Cody Garbrandt, he did not have a fucking cool 7th grade.
You know?
For sure.
Some shit was dark.
bryan callen
I got my own experiment.
joe rogan
It was a stepdad involved.
bryan callen
Most fighters have a cool 7th grade.
joe rogan
You don't have a tattoo on your neck that says, like, self-made.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
That!
That's like you're trying to fight off something.
unidentified
That's right.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You're not homecoming king and having a neck tattoo.
bryan callen
Fuck.
joe rogan
But we also have to be taking into consideration that, like we were talking about with bears earlier, that bears don't have natural predators.
So nature has rigged them weird.
Nature's wired them in some weird way where they eat babies.
Whereas wolves don't do that because they have to survive.
Elk don't do that.
Pigs don't do that.
They have to take care of their babies because it's not as easy for them to survive.
But the bears got to the top of the food chain and they realized, oh no, we're fucked.
No one can eat us.
So we can just keep fucking and making millions of us and we'll overcome all the food and we'll all starve to death.
Okay, we can start eating our babies.
And nature's rigged them in some sort of a weird way.
brendan schaub
You gotta eat a baby.
eddie bravo
One out of three babies.
bryan callen
Which is why when you come to my house, do not give me a hard time when you see my fucking male 7'8", maybe 8'6", because I'm dead-eye and I got a nose for fucking bear.
Do not give me a hard time when you wiggle your toes through my fucking rug, because I am saving bears by killing bears.
Right, Joe?
eddie bravo
It sounds so weird.
joe rogan
We got a paper, rock, scissor who gets the third.
It sounds so weird, but it's fucking amazing.
No, we don't have to.
No, you don't understand.
The Rivets, my friends who live up there, they have 30 or 40 different spots where they put people.
bryan callen
Yeah, but Joe, hold on.
joe rogan
They have a serious organization.
And they have to.
They get two tags per hunter a year.
You're supposed to kill two mature boars a year.
unidentified
Jesus.
bryan callen
Hey, dude, I'm an experienced hunter.
You stand the fuck down till I get my trophy, and then you let me secure your hips.
joe rogan
You said trophy.
That's a taboo word.
I'm not supposed to say that.
eddie bravo
Why?
brendan schaub
There's no trophy killing you, son of a bitch.
joe rogan
That's how I know it's not real hunter.
bryan callen
I will brine that meat.
I'll eat it all year.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
As a legit stand-up comedian, I respect you and love you.
bryan callen
Thank you.
joe rogan
When someone says, what's the difference between a comic and a comedian, do you explain it or do you say, fuck you and walk away?
bryan callen
I say, fuck you and walk away.
Good for you.
joe rogan
That's real.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we're talking about here.
bryan callen
It's true.
Listen to me.
You stand down.
You stand down.
You follow my fucking lead.
You stay a couple inches behind me.
unidentified
Hey!
bryan callen
Don't talk when I'm talking.
brendan schaub
You're not a hunter.
bryan callen
I'm an experienced hunter.
brendan schaub
You're not a hunter.
bryan callen
How do you say that?
When it's time for you to fucking shoot and your breathing's going to be very irregular, you look me in the eye and I help you with your breathing.
You understand me?
brendan schaub
You help me with my breathing?
bryan callen
Yeah, because your breathing's like this.
unidentified
Fuck, apparently.
bryan callen
And I go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
And I smack your face a couple times and go, shh!
Look at me.
I kiss your mouth.
As a man, as a friend, I kiss your mouth.
Because it wakes you the fuck up.
There it is.
Look at me.
You're behind him.
Joe's behind you breathing into your neck.
And you key into that rhythm.
And I'm breathing into your mouth.
And we breathe all together as men.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Can I just step in for a moment?
bryan callen
Sure, buddy.
Go ahead.
joe rogan
Why do you want to belittle him in this weird way?
unidentified
When?
joe rogan
Where you say you're not a hunter.
Where you know he's killed at least, what did he kill, three deer?
bryan callen
Yeah, three deer.
joe rogan
One in Montana, two in Wisconsin.
bryan callen
Three deer, bro.
joe rogan
He's killed three deer in Eaton, though.
That's a hunter.
bryan callen
Is it?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, he's made great shots.
I'm telling you, Brian Callen made 150, 160 yard shot on your first deer.
bryan callen
I think so.
Something like that.
joe rogan
I mean, he made two 100-yard shots on his second and third deal.
unidentified
No, that's crazy.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
When you're shooting at a living creature, and it's all about getting it right and trigger discipline.
eddie bravo
No, it's a big deal.
joe rogan
It's not easy.
And Brian's been successful every time he's attempted it, and he's eating those animals.
Joe!
bryan callen
Hey, look at me.
eddie bravo
I've had him.
unidentified
Hey, City Boy.
Hey, City Boy.
bryan callen
I've had him tell me.
He doesn't like hunting.
City Boy.
eddie bravo
Joe, I've had him tell me he doesn't like hunting.
bryan callen
No, I love hunting.
eddie bravo
That's why I say it.
bryan callen
City boy.
unidentified
I hope they can't.
City boy.
City boy.
bryan callen
You shut the fuck up.
eddie bravo
Let me explain.
I snitched on him.
unidentified
I snitched on him.
joe rogan
City boy.
eddie bravo
The only stitch strikes you.
joe rogan
You're the platinum stitch.
bryan callen
I love hunting.
joe rogan
You're the platinum stitch.
bryan callen
I love hunting.
joe rogan
You're above Novitski with your arms up in the air like Robbie Lawler after he won by knockout.
bryan callen
Listen to me.
I love hunting.
unidentified
You beat Gonzaga.
bryan callen
I don't actually like killing the animal, but I like hanging out with...
eddie bravo
My dears.
brendan schaub
I had to drop that bomb, I'm sorry.
bryan callen
I don't like killing the actual animal, but I like hanging with Joe, and I like going.
joe rogan
That's a fact.
That's real.
bryan callen
I do admit that I don't like killing the animal is the part, but when it's time to do it, I do it.
But I love the experience.
We laugh harder.
I make that fucker laugh harder than anybody I've ever met.
He gets that high-pitched wheeze.
brendan schaub
They're lying to each other?
bryan callen
It's fake laughs.
unidentified
He's not a hunter?
He doesn't find him funny?
joe rogan
Let me tell you what happened in Montana.
bryan callen
I kill him.
joe rogan
We were in the bush.
That's how we talk about it.
We were on the same routes.
That's a reality show.
bryan callen
It's bonding, bro.
It's a bonding experience.
joe rogan
When Lewis and Clark traveled across the west, that's where we went.
We were on the Missouri River.
We were in the Missouri Breaks in Montana.
It was fucking fantastic.
bryan callen
Miserable.
joe rogan
Five days of dick jokes.
bryan callen
100%.
joe rogan
It was all cock and gay stuff.
And Brian doing this bit to this day is one of the hardest things I've ever...
Like hyperventilating, tears running down my face.
It's maybe 6 degrees outside.
eddie bravo
Which one is it doing?
joe rogan
It's doing the ravine-comer.
bryan callen
Where I was jerking off into a ravine.
joe rogan
I killed this deer, and we were gutting this deer, and Brian's eating its eyeballs.
Really?
Yeah, he ate the tallow behind his eyeballs.
Yes.
bryan callen
I'm fucking crazy.
I cut a piece off and they ate it raw.
joe rogan
Don't fuck around, bro.
bryan callen
Hey, I'm a fucking hunter.
brendan schaub
What were you saying?
joe rogan
The flesh behind the eyeballs tastes like bread dough, like dough.
bryan callen
Steve Rinella gave it to me and I ate it.
joe rogan
He loved it.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's right.
brendan schaub
Oh, no, so the hunger's killing it off and then fed it to you.
bryan callen
Go throw up in the fucking...
You can't even handle this conversation.
Joe, keep going.
joe rogan
Callan does this...
He starts doing this character called the Ravine-comer.
unidentified
Do it.
joe rogan
We have this deer tied to this tree.
We pull this deer down.
We're fucking freezing.
We're fucking freezing.
I remember like, oh my god, we're in Montana.
The fucking ground is frozen.
It's eight degrees outside.
We're cutting this deer up and we decided to have a fire.
So we had this little tiny little campfire.
And Brian Cowan goes, when I get warm and I'm around, deer like to come.
And he gets it.
He gets near the bridge!
Not a bridge, like the cliff.
bryan callen
I'm going to come in this fucking ravine!
joe rogan
And he starts jacking off in front of this ravine and saying he's the ravine comer.
bryan callen
Because you asked me what I was doing.
unidentified
And we're crying!
joe rogan
We're crying!
unidentified
It's me and Rinella and Moe.
joe rogan
Tears are rolling down our eyes.
And he's like, I'd like to come!
unidentified
Dirt!
joe rogan
I'm fucking the world!
bryan callen
Skin that deer!
Skin that deer!
I'm taking cock to hand!
I'm coming in this ravine!
joe rogan
He was screaming, I'm coming!
I'm coming!
bryan callen
When you say you're coming like you're pooing, it's hilarious.
I'm coming!
joe rogan
Didn't you say something about people on boats in the distance hearing your cries?
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
There's just something so fucked up about it!
Because we were like, a couple of miles, we were going to pack out with the meat.
He's like, we're miles away from the river.
He's like, they hear my cries!
My cries of pleasure.
And he just keeps jacking off it in the bushes.
bryan callen
As I thumb off.
As I thumb off.
I call it thumbing.
joe rogan
But it was five days of that.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
It was five days of dick jokes.
bryan callen
But you're the best audience.
When I got you along, you are the best audience because you fucking laugh hard.
And I just wait for my openings.
And I take them.
I just take them.
eddie bravo
What about when I laugh?
bryan callen
And some days, I fucking...
The other day, I was...
Joe kept laughing and I was fucking finally out of ammunition.
I didn't know what to do.
And I just fucking...
I was spazzing out and I go...
And I kicked the table over and I go, I need some fucking attention.
joe rogan
Who's out of ammo?
unidentified
Who's out of ammo?
bryan callen
I didn't know what else to do.
joe rogan
To make a scene?
bryan callen
Yeah, Doug Durham was there.
I was making him laugh and I go, ah, fuck.
Man, I kicked the table.
I need some fucking attention.
joe rogan
We barely had the energy to sleep when we were in Wisconsin.
How do you shit?
It is.
bryan callen
You will laugh your ass off.
Here's the problem with hunting.
Here's why hunting sucks.
You're cold.
You sleep on the floor.
It rains.
You don't see animals.
There's all kinds of things that suck about hunting.
But guess what?
That's what brings you together.
You're all together in a tent.
Gale force wins and you're laughing your fucking balls off.
I listened to that podcast we did with Rinella after you had talked about it.
It was great.
joe rogan
It was awesome.
And we did that podcast, soaking wet, miserable, for five days in a row on an island in Alaska.
bryan callen
You don't remember this, but I remember it was the morning, and you couldn't get dry because all your shit was wet.
You didn't bring waterproof anything.
And so you're wet.
It's in the morning, 6 in the morning.
You were shaking so badly.
I don't know if you remember this.
You were shaking so badly, and I was too cold and miserable to say anything.
Your lips, your fucking lips were going back and forth.
They're quivering.
They look like a shark when it's grabbed the fucking...
His lips were...
His lips, his big, fat, fucking fat DSLs were going like this back and forth.
They were fucking...
They were literally going from left to right, east to west, east to west, just shaking, shugging.
The way a pit bull shakes a fucking rabbit.
And I was like, dude, those lips are fucking thick, meaty, and cold.
That's all I kept saying.
joe rogan
Do you remember the one night where it didn't rain for like a few hours and we started a fire?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Do you remember that?
With Cheetos.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
bryan callen
And by the way, a fire is the best thing in the world.
And you're so miserable, you don't jerk off.
joe rogan
You don't jerk off.
unidentified
Did you say Cheetos?
Hell no, you don't jerk off.
eddie bravo
You started a fire with Cheetos?
You try not to die.
bryan callen
You take shits.
You get up in the middle of the night.
eddie bravo
Where's the shits?
bryan callen
You gotta piss.
You go...
I kneel and just go just an inch out of my fucking tent.
I'm terrified.
joe rogan
Remember you and me?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Dan Doty and Mike, remember Mike, we figured out how to make a fire with Cheetos?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Was it Dan Doty's idea?
bryan callen
Yes, Dan Doty.
joe rogan
When you light Cheetos, Cheetos light on fire and all the bullshit that's in Cheetos.
bryan callen
Best kindling.
joe rogan
Best kindling.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
Dude, forget fire starters.
A slow burn.
joe rogan
Cheetos are incredible.
Yes.
They stay alight forever.
eddie bravo
It's a slow That's great to fucking know Wait is it the Is it the puff ones Or the crunchy ones No regular cheetos Crunchy cheetos Yeah man That's the one thing All the zombie movies And TV shows From this point on, they're gonna use Cheetos.
bryan callen
It's a slow burn, it's a beautiful burn.
joe rogan
We took some trees and we chopped trees down and hacked off the bottom of the trees because that was the driest spots.
We hacked off the insides of the limbs, because the outside of the limbs are more wet.
Dude, we were desperado.
We took paper, and we started paper to develop a wet fire.
And wet fire means it's touch and go the whole way.
You're burning wet stuff.
And you're trying to get the driest stuff that's available.
And Cheetos saved our ass.
bryan callen
And tell me if you didn't feel this.
And I'm not being dramatic when I say this.
joe rogan
That's not possible.
bryan callen
Well, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's very true.
But when you're in the middle of that majestic wilderness, literally that doesn't care about you, you do get a sense, there is a feeling of sadness, a feeling of being so insignificant that it makes you a little bit depressed sometimes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Did you feel that?
Did you ever feel that?
joe rogan
When we were sitting up at the top of this one of these ridges and you and I and Giannis were up there and we were taking a break and we sat up there and we glassed this Canyon and it was the rain was coming in and going out and we're looking around and and Matin was there too and we were just like Jesus Christ like this land doesn't give a fuck if you're here or gone.
Yes, it's gonna be the same like you It's like a realization that no matter what mark you think you're laying, it doesn't matter if you're fucking King Tut.
It doesn't matter who you are.
Ultimately, it's all bullshit.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, you get this entirely temporary existence, and the world and the universe is bigger.
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
Just a grain of sand.
joe rogan
And that's hard to deal with because you want to pass your genes and you want to be special and you want to show greatness and you want people to remember your name after you're gone.
But ultimately, that's not really what's important.
And that when you're confronted with that reality, whether it's through psychedelic drugs or whether it's through sitting on a mountain in...
Prince of Wales in Alaska and you and best buddies sitting there going, man, we can't even fucking find a deer.
We didn't find a deer for days and days.
bryan callen
It is so lonely.
It's such a lonely part of the world.
You can see for miles and miles.
What you think about it, for me, what I thought about it was exactly what he's talking about.
Like the notion that I'm so insignificant and so much of my effort...
In a way, so much of my effort, first of all, you also realize how vulnerable you are.
Without food and water, without know-how, without the culture and the accumulated know-how of how to survive in that environment.
joe rogan
We should talk about what we bring.
We bring freeze-dried foods, and we bring some hard snacks, like protein bars.
No, no, we're fine.
We're not doing any Survivor Man shit.
You're fine for six days.
bryan callen
You're fine for six days.
joe rogan
But it is true.
We have a limited supply, and it lets you know that without this stuff, because we're not trying to live off this Mountain Ops food, or whatever the fuck it's called, whatever the meals are called.
I don't think it's Mountain Ops.
Mountain Ops is a good protein company for hunters.
But what you realize is if I didn't have the stuff that I brought with me, I'm not going to survive just living off the land.
brendan schaub
You would die.
eddie bravo
It's hard.
joe rogan
It's hell.
It's hard as hell.
brendan schaub
So you're saying you weren't worried about your Twitter follows, Instagram, you realize how much bullshit all there is?
bryan callen
You need less sleep.
joe rogan
It's not even just that.
eddie bravo
It's not just that.
How come your cell phone doesn't work?
Isn't there satellites?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Cell phones are direct to rec.
That's why you have those fake trees on the 405. Cell phones?
eddie bravo
I thought cell phones went to the satellites.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Not at all, not at all.
What's going to the satellites?
GPS, which is Global Positioning Satellites.
eddie bravo
GPS is not satellites.
I hear it's all land ground pressure.
brendan schaub
No, that's a lie.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, GPS? GPS is Global Positioning Satellites.
That's what it literally is.
unidentified
In space.
eddie bravo
Yes, absolutely.
So GPS is not, like the GPS on your iPhone is run by satellites in space?
joe rogan
This is how it works.
This is how it works.
unidentified
Is that correct?
joe rogan
Let me explain to you, Eddie, how it works.
eddie bravo
Is that all land-based?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
I think it's all land-based.
Based on YouTube science.
joe rogan
Let's avoid this.
What were we just talking about?
bryan callen
Just being up there without any connection to what you are used to.
brendan schaub
Realize how small you are.
joe rogan
I think it's good to get away from the cell phone and the bullshit.
I think cell phones are awesome.
I think computers are awesome.
I think Google's awesome.
I think reality shows are awesome.
I think Basketball Wives is awesome.
I think it's hilarious.
I think we should enjoy the most fucked up aspects of the greatest time people have ever been alive.
I think it's amazing.
But I think it's also good To push all this external dialogue aside and just how do you feel about the world?
And how much of how you feel about the world is honest?
And how much of you feel about the world is objective?
And how much of it is based on the actual world itself and not the opinions of all these other people around you?
Get a good look at who you are and what you think about that.
eddie bravo
I try to do that every night.
I try to shut myself off.
When I get home from jujitsu and teaching, if there's some important email I gotta get to, I'll get to it.
If there's an important text or call I gotta get to.
But generally, I'm gonna watch some bullshit-ass TV for about an hour and a half.
unidentified
I don't want to hear anything about melting.
eddie bravo
I want to watch some bullshit.
I'll get on YouTube and watch the hottest YouTube videos.
bryan callen
But Eddie, when you're hunting, those usual escapes don't exist.
And a lot of times, for real, what you have is just yourself and the sound of your breathing, man.
eddie bravo
That sounds very hard.
It sounds awesome.
bryan callen
I'm a big pussy.
It's a bit like being in a free fall if you're not used to it.
And in the beginning, like the first two days, you might panic a little bit or you might kind of need to hold on to something.
joe rogan
Let me just back up here.
You sleep intense, Joe?
You sleep intense?
Yes, absolutely.
Eddie, you're the first American to tap a Gracie.
There's no pussy in you.
You don't have any pussy.
I have a lot of pussy.
I'm a big pussy.
No, no, no.
What you are is honest.
eddie bravo
I'm not a fighter.
joe rogan
No, you're honest about the way you feel.
I'm not trying to win no championships ever.
eddie bravo
I never try to do that.
joe rogan
A lot of people pretend that they feel different than the way they actually feel.
But when push comes to shove and you perform, it's one of the things, like when we went to Sao Paulo, like I'd seen you compete in the trials.
You competed in San Diego in the trials.
And those were the only times I saw you compete.
I saw you compete in the trials and I saw you compete on video.
We looked at some video before.
But when I saw you compete when we flew down to Sao Paulo, and I saw you tap Gustavo Dantes, Who's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion?
I was like, oh shit, Eddie Bravo knows how to perform under pressure.
There's a moment in the fight.
Let me tell you something about this.
It's 2003, okay?
bryan callen
You tapped a world champion.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something what happens.
Eddie Bravo has got this dude in a position where a lot of traditional Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu referees, practitioners might not have understood what was going on.
And he was moving towards this guy's back.
And Eddie's holding on to him and the referee is insinuating that there's some stalling and there's going to have to be some moving.
And Eddie turns to him and looks at him and says, I'm not stalling.
I'm about to take this dude's back.
And Gustavo Dantes, he says, like, what?
And then all of a sudden Eddie takes his back and chokes him out and taps him.
I put him in the truck first.
eddie bravo
Not a pussy.
joe rogan
In the truck.
But when you were in the truck, that's when the referee stepped in and said that you were stalling.
You go, I'm not stalling.
I'm about to take his back.
eddie bravo
No, no.
When he came in, what happened was, I swept him.
We both pulled guard.
I forced pull guard.
He pulled guard.
I pulled guard.
We're trying to force each other.
I forced him on top of me.
Swept him.
And he stayed in a position.
I had him inside control.
And he stayed in a position, basically...
The reason I said that The reason I said that
was that I knew Mark Lehman's stories before.
They said, dude, the referees in Brazil, they're going to fuck you.
The Brazilians, refs, they don't like Americans.
And I heard that, and I'm all scared.
So I'm thinking this guy's actually going to stand me up.
So the only reason I said anything is because I thought, oh shit, this motherfucker's going to stand me up in Brazil.
joe rogan
But the referee was talking to you.
unidentified
So that's exactly what I said.
brendan schaub
He's taking the long way.
joe rogan
But that's what I said.
But you know, the important thing is you said, I'm about to take his back.
Which is gangster as fuck.
I'm about to take his back.
And then he took his back and choked him out.
Which is not a pussy move.
brendan schaub
Which is some gangster shit.
shit.
eddie bravo
But the only reason I said that was because I said, don't stand me up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you said it.
bryan callen
Oh, I got you.
You didn't want to stand you up, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you said it.
eddie bravo
You wait.
brendan schaub
That's gangster.
Yeah, that's what he's saying.
eddie bravo
But I was actually worried that they were going to stand me up.
unidentified
He said that.
bryan callen
I think that, like, I was thinking about what bothers me the most, like, That's why I appreciate you.
You're talking about your friend.
What you did is pretty extraordinary.
And you have to take moments in life to fucking say that.
Wayne McCulloch is one of my favorite people on the fucking planet.
I love that dude.
Great guy.
Somebody was talking to Wayne with a lack of respect to me, like in the boxing gym.
They were acting like he was just a guy who holds mitts.
And I said to the guy, I gotta just stop you for a second.
This is fucking important to me.
joe rogan
Can I stop you?
Did this really happen?
bryan callen
Yes.
You can ask Wayne.
But listen, he'll get mad at me for saying this, but I want to say this.
Listen to this.
You're such a dick.
You're such a dick.
You're such a dick, by the way.
You're such a dick.
But listen, this is my point.
My point is exactly what you were saying with Eddie.
brendan schaub
A legit boxer didn't say this to you.
bryan callen
What's that?
brendan schaub
A legit guy didn't say this to some fan.
bryan callen
Who said this to you?
joe rogan
Was it a CrossFit dude?
No, no, no.
bryan callen
The way the person was talking.
joe rogan
Hashtag super paleo.
bryan callen
I'm trying to kind of talk around this because somebody wasn't treating Wayne with the kind of respect he deserves.
And I tried to explain.
I said, listen to me.
Let me explain to me.
He was a fucking world champion.
He was a world WBC champion.
joe rogan
Who are we talking about?
Are we talking about the garbage man?
brendan schaub
Is it a famous person?
Why don't you say his name?
unidentified
The dude working at Carl's Jr. What kind of guy is this?
bryan callen
Is he dropping off a package?
He was a guy who was trying to box at the gym.
joe rogan
An actual boxer?
bryan callen
Uh, no.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's just a guy.
joe rogan
Executive?
bryan callen
Yeah, just somebody who's like...
Let's call him Greg.
joe rogan
Let's call him Greg.
bryan callen
Fuck Greg.
Okay, so Greg was treating Wayne...
joe rogan
Greg was treating Wayne...
unidentified
Hold on.
bryan callen
Greg was treating Wayne like, oh, hey, hold these mitts for me, essentially.
You know what I mean?
And I kind of, for me...
brendan schaub
That's what he does now, though.
bryan callen
No, he does a lot more than that.
unidentified
Well, he teaches boxing.
bryan callen
No, he's got a legit guy who's fighting right now for a big fight.
joe rogan
But he teaches boxing.
bryan callen
But the point I'm making is that in life, when you see somebody who accomplished a great deal, you've got to fucking give it up.
You have to have respect for that.
You have to have gratitude for it.
You have to mark it.
You have to treat it with some reverence.
brendan schaub
I think reverence is important.
bryan callen
I'm sorry to use him as an example.
joe rogan
Here's what is important.
There's no reason to disrespect him.
It's not like he's doing anything.
brendan schaub
Even if he wasn't a legend, you shouldn't disrespect him.
joe rogan
Of course.
bryan callen
No, but it's more than that.
joe rogan
But you know that he's highly accomplished in the sport that you're attempting to pursue.
bryan callen
Silver medalist in the Olympics?
brendan schaub
It's amazing.
joe rogan
But for sure, get your fucking hits.
No, I'm just kidding.
But here's what I'm saying.
It's like, why would you want to say bad things about him, ever?
bryan callen
But people, what I'm saying is people who don't...
brendan schaub
They might not know me.
bryan callen
Yeah, but people who don't express gratitude like that and don't...
He's an older boxer.
brendan schaub
So it might be the young guy who has no idea.
joe rogan
Here's what it is.
bryan callen
That's what bothered me.
joe rogan
People know that when you have something and it's amazing and then you lose it, you realize you're not as great as you once were.
So they recognize that Wayne McCullough was a world champion boxer, a silver medalist in the Olympics, and his athletic peak, he was loved throughout And he's not there anymore.
So they recognize this as an opportunity to see someone who has diminished from their previous height.
And they try to attack.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
They try to attack him to make him feel bad because they know psychologically that this has to have some sort of an effect on the way his self-esteem interprets reality.
But also because they never touched that.
bryan callen
Because they never fucking came close to that kind of accomplishment.
brendan schaub
I know, but that's why they're doing it.
Because they're trying to bring him down.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's an animal instinct.
Exactly.
unidentified
It's an animal instinct.
brendan schaub
God, that's a bummer.
bryan callen
But I hate that shit.
joe rogan
Haters are losers.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
They have to be.
bryan callen
And that's what I was experiencing recently.
joe rogan
You can't be a winner and also be a hater.
brendan schaub
Exactly.
bryan callen
And that's what I was trying to say.
I go, if you can't celebrate and have some reverence for what that dude did, or anybody like that, that's your fucking problem and that holds you back.
brendan schaub
Well, they've never been beat up then, probably.
bryan callen
You're right, buddy.
joe rogan
Nate McCullough was so good.
bryan callen
Pocket Rocket?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Such a good legend.
bryan callen
And a fucking gentleman.
joe rogan
God damn it.
bryan callen
I'm throwing this cheese away.
joe rogan
You ever watch Joe Calzaghe?
unidentified
Fuck yes.
joe rogan
Dude, I was watching some Joe Calzaghe training footage of somebody he put on Twitter today.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Trained by his dad, man.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
His fucking hand speed was retarded.
He was so fast.
brendan schaub
He lost to Hopkins, right?
joe rogan
No, he beat Hopkins.
He beat Roy Jones Jr. Beat Hopkins.
Retired later.
Undefeated.
He beat Hopkins?
Yes, he did.
He beat Hopkins.
He beat Roy Jones Jr. We just don't accept him because he wasn't in Medicano.
Because he was an English gentleman.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he gets no credit.
joe rogan
Listen, Joe Calzaghe is like an all-time great.
bryan callen
Rugged motherfucker.
joe rogan
46-0.
Damn.
He might have retired.
brendan schaub
Does it have his record?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
46-0.
That's his fucking record.
brendan schaub
No, no, I'm saying who he'd be.
joe rogan
I've been sleeping on Calzaghe.
bryan callen
I've been sleeping on Calzaghe, motherfuckers.
brendan schaub
Roy Jones, Bernard.
joe rogan
Bernard Hopkins.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Kessler.
He beat a lot.
Jeff Lacey.
Jeff Lacey was one of his big wins early on in his career.
Talker.
eddie bravo
Bernard Hopkins?
joe rogan
He beat Bernard Hopkins.
bryan callen
Who's named Tucker Putwell?
joe rogan
He beat Roy Jones Jr. What was the year of that fight?
brendan schaub
08. 08. He beat Bernard and Roy in the same year.
joe rogan
Honestly, Roy was not the Roy of his prime.
bryan callen
In 08, he was still pretty badass, wasn't he?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
He was good in the 90s.
Compared to everybody in this room, he's badass right now.
If we ought to get it, Roy Jones Jr. could have...
Five tequila shots and box the shit out of everyone in this room.
brendan schaub
I think everyone in this room can take that silly bitch down.
Fuck that dude.
bryan callen
Hey, man.
Hey, have some fucking reverence.
This is what I'm talking about, you hater, motherfucker.
joe rogan
You're the one!
That's not hating.
brendan schaub
That's real life.
I'm a critical thinker.
bryan callen
I sat directly behind Roy Jones Jr., and this was my monologue in my head.
I was going like this.
I was going, that's the one of the greatest of all time.
And then I was doing this, I was saying stuff like this.
He's got a lot of fast twitch muscle.
Look at his fucking traps.
He's got a weird head.
I bet he can move that head.
He can kick my ass right now.
I wonder what I would do if I had to fight him in a jail cell.
These are all the questions I ask.
At 49 years old, I'm asking these questions.
brendan schaub
You ever seen his dick pic?
bryan callen
In an elevator, he's taking me down.
joe rogan
Taking you down?
He's going to take you down?
bryan callen
He's going to knock me down.
What?
joe rogan
Wait, listen, in elevators, you get your best shot.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
He's not getting away in an elevator.
bryan callen
I double leg the fuck out of my high school double leg.
brendan schaub
He's gonna dirty butt too.
joe rogan
High and tight.
The shoulders come up.
The hands go in.
You shoot in.
What's he doing?
He's hitting elbows.
He's got no gloves on.
bryan callen
He's hitting fucking elbows.
joe rogan
What is he doing?
unidentified
He's hitting the ground.
bryan callen
You're fucking hitting bone, motherfucker.
That's what I say as I fucking bring his knees in.
I bring him in.
brendan schaub
What happened?
bryan callen
Up, down.
And then I armbar him.
With my bad armbar.
My blue belt armbar.
joe rogan
Brendan, what do you think about that?
brendan schaub
I don't see it happening.
joe rogan
Have you guys ever rolled?
eddie bravo
You guys have rolled?
bryan callen
Have we rolled?
Have I rolled with heavyweight Brendan Shaw?
With heavyweight...
eddie bravo
For real, like a real roll, eight minute round, let's go for real.
bryan callen
Dude, with Brendan Shaw...
eddie bravo
Yes or no?
Is that a yes or no?
brendan schaub
We've rolled a ton.
I always fuck with him.
bryan callen
I have grabbed him in a perfect head and arm lock, thrown my hips out judo style, brought his head and his arm in with a gable grip, kept my chin tight, and looked at him and gone, he was trying to take a nap, and I go, you're going fucking nowhere, motherfucker, and had him tight, I mean arm and head tight judo, hips splayed, hips splayed, fucking, what's his name, here you go, this is There's another one.
Look at this.
This is Greco.
This is Greco.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
I'm just chilling.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
That's amazing.
bryan callen
He's tapping me immediately.
joe rogan
He's just amazing with no hormone supplements.
You don't just break.
bryan callen
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
That's high.
bryan callen
Look at that high fucking...
joe rogan
You look like you'd be super fragile.
bryan callen
Look at what he's doing.
joe rogan
If I was near that, I'd be like...
unidentified
He tapped me.
brendan schaub
Yeah, a ton.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Has he ever gotten you?
joe rogan
No, Eddie.
unidentified
The 49-year-old comic did not beat me up, man.
eddie bravo
It's not a compliment.
I'm not beating you up.
I just want to catch you every now and then.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You guys got to stop talking over each other.
bryan callen
I know, but I mean, I couldn't do it.
If I had a fucking gun, it would be a problem.
He does whatever he wants.
joe rogan
That's why you got to let him come.
I've been talking about that all night.
bryan callen
It always comes back to the coming.
unidentified
Help him come, man.
bryan callen
Help him come.
brendan schaub
He's less aggressive.
joe rogan
There's a reason why big people exist.
They were better at war.
bryan callen
We've been podcasting for four hours.
Who gives a fuck?
joe rogan
Why are you measuring time?
bryan callen
It's all bullshit.
Is this still going, though?
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck?
bryan callen
I thought we weren't allowed to.
joe rogan
We could do whatever we want.
brendan schaub
It's like we're in Alaska.
It's just us, man.
bryan callen
Jamie, I thought we had to be cut off at three hours.
joe rogan
No more rules.
I'm tired.
I can't do it anymore.
We'll break this podcast up into part one and part two.
I can't be employed anymore.
I can't do it anymore.
craig jones
I have it left in me.
joe rogan
It's drained like a sponge.
It doesn't exist.
I want to be free.
bryan callen
This podcast for us, thanks to your urging, has been a life changer.
joe rogan
I told you.
Can I show you guys that movie trailer?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Excuse me.
We're talking about podcasts.
bryan callen
The what?
joe rogan
See some random fucking movie trailer.
unidentified
Jamie wants to talk about tickling.
brendan schaub
I definitely want to see it.
joe rogan
No, Jamie.
I was trying to encourage Eddie Bravo into bringing back Eddie Bravo radio, and you want to talk about tickling, you fuck.
brendan schaub
Eddie, I don't have to get punched in the face anymore because of the podcast.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I loved doing my podcast, but I feel like sometimes, you know when you do a podcast and you get a new audience and you gotta tell the fucking same story over and over?
I hate saying the same, you know, when people start saying, here he goes again.
brendan schaub
Why would you say the same story over and over?
eddie bravo
Because, you know, it comes up, you're in a podcast.
joe rogan
I've done that.
You've got to say, you've got to kind of abbreviate it and say, I've talked about this before.
But unfortunately, unless that's cut up in a clip, it's hard for people who just started listening to your podcast to find that.
So it becomes annoying.
Because you're speaking to so many people.
You were getting, what, 50, 100,000 downloads?
How many downloads were you getting?
eddie bravo
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
How many were you getting?
eddie bravo
Nothing.
joe rogan
Whatever you were getting.
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
Let's say you're getting 5,000.
Even if you're getting 5,000.
That's 5,000 fucking people in an arena.
I mean, Ari and I had this conversation when we first started talking about Twitter.
Because Ari would get on Twitter and he's like, I've only got 2,000 followers.
I'd go, what would you think if you went to a show and you're like, it's only 2,000 people?
You would never think that.
You would never think that.
You'd be like, holy shit, there's 2,000 people.
He's like, you're right.
I go, yeah, I'm right.
There's 2,000 people listening.
And eventually, you're going to say something funny, and someone's going to find out about it, and they're going to spread it to five people, and they'll spread it to ten, and you'll have 1,500 people in six months.
bryan callen
How many Twitter followers do you have, Till Rogan?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Over a million.
joe rogan
1.9 or something like that?
What is it, Jamie?
What is it, Jamie?
unidentified
Check it.
bryan callen
1.9 million?
joe rogan
1.9 million.
bryan callen
How about Instagram followers?
joe rogan
1.1 million.
brendan schaub
Damn, it's crazy you know.
joe rogan
Listen, you guys will have that too.
It's an accumulative effect.
There's girls out there who just do nothing but stick their ass in front of a camera.
They have like 10 times as many as me.
brendan schaub
God bless them.
unidentified
Weird, huh?
joe rogan
I found this Russian broad.
Oh my god, I almost jerked off in front of my friends.
bryan callen
Let me see her.
joe rogan
She's so hot.
brendan schaub
She was that hot?
joe rogan
It didn't make any sense.
What's her name?
I'm going to tell you.
brendan schaub
It's frustrating, man.
joe rogan
I don't want to get more followers.
bryan callen
Dude, please tell me who she is.
Now I have to know.
It's 10 fucking p.m.
joe rogan
We'll talk later.
I don't remember it.
bryan callen
Come on, bro.
Don't be a baby.
unidentified
I don't.
joe rogan
I don't remember it.
bryan callen
Jamie, you know.
jamie vernon
I bet it's the one I just randomly found, too.
joe rogan
Dark hair or light hair?
unidentified
Dark.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You guys are getting a bunch more followers.
joe rogan
Either way.
bryan callen
Either way, bring her up.
brendan schaub
Either way, she's a hot.
joe rogan
Let's move on.
Let's move on.
This is what's important.
It's about consistency.
Like, when you're using social media, it's about honesty and consistency.
And you guys are super honest and you're super consistent.
So, it's gonna be people who don't like you.
It's inevitable.
People don't like me, they don't like Eddie.
Oh, Jesus!
Jesus!
Good Lord!
bryan callen
Turn that off, Jamie!
She's a good girl.
brendan schaub
Those are muscular quads.
Those are muscular quads, sir.
bryan callen
Yeah, she does some squats.
joe rogan
That bitch can jump over buildings.
bryan callen
I'm gonna come.
brendan schaub
That bitch can jump rope your dick.
joe rogan
Look at her fucking quads.
bryan callen
Hey, guys.
Hey, guys.
joe rogan
Jamie, stop it.
bryan callen
Goddamn, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Those quads are a little much.
bryan callen
Those quads are a little much, bro.
unidentified
One more.
bryan callen
One more, Jamie.
joe rogan
Thinking about is the milking properties of that...
eddie bravo
Take it down, Mr. Little Jamie.
joe rogan
Hey, you guys.
All I'm thinking about is the milking properties of that pussy.
unidentified
Not so much muscle.
joe rogan
The fact that pussy's like...
eddie bravo
Like a vice.
bryan callen
Like a farmer's hand.
joe rogan
Squeezing out a wet pair of socks.
bryan callen
A farmer's hand.
A farmer's hand.
You guys want to come or what?
brendan schaub
Well, now I don't want in.
benjamin jaffe
It's down by the river with a fucking set of sheets.
brendan schaub
That bitch is on some acai.
Her quads are way too jacked.
bryan callen
It's the Let's Come podcast, guys.
Hey, one more picture of that girl for the hell of a minute.
joe rogan
No, no more.
bryan callen
Who brought the fucking Puritan to the party?
joe rogan
You know what's the beautiful thing about podcasts?
bryan callen
What, do you wear belts on your hats?
joe rogan
The beautiful thing about podcasts is that what we have, all of us together, is like a legit network.
And not just us, but everybody else out there.
You know, there's always been networks like CBS and ABC and NBC, but those networks are like businesses.
But we're a network of friends.
That's a new thing.
That's a new thing.
Everything that you do helps me.
Everything that I do helps you.
We all help each other.
You guys come on my podcast.
We blow it up on Twitter.
We put it up on Instagram.
We do a fight companion all together.
Everybody blows up.
This is a network, like an organic network, as opposed to like a business network where we sat down and said, I need to control 40% of this concomerate.
brendan schaub
And there's no agenda.
unidentified
We're lawyers!
brendan schaub
But there's no agenda.
It's just friends.
There's no agenda like a business network.
joe rogan
No paperwork.
Everybody's cool.
Everybody helps everybody.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
If there's ever shows that need to be tweeted, everybody's happy to tweet for everybody.
I see everybody doing it.
We all do it for each other.
All our comedian friends do it for each other.
bryan callen
I didn't notice that shirt.
joe rogan
The Keto Kid?
bryan callen
Get your slim on.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's Keto.
You don't even know about that shirt and you're in the business with him?
brendan schaub
I don't have him sign off.
This is the first time he sees it.
joe rogan
He's barely paying attention.
bryan callen
You just make shirts and I'm like, hey, good job.
brendan schaub
They go on sale this week, Brian.
joe rogan
I called him the Keto Kid at the beginning of our last podcast together.
That's awesome.
bryan callen
Awesome.
brendan schaub
I was in Arizona this weekend, people were yelling, I'm Keto Kid!
bryan callen
I'm the kid too, and this is fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, he's the Keto Kid.
brendan schaub
He's the Keto Kid.
joe rogan
It's more legit.
bryan callen
If you put something before Kid for me, what would you call me?
joe rogan
The old kid?
No.
unidentified
Creepy Kid.
brendan schaub
I'd call you Creepy Kid.
bryan callen
Creepy Kid for sure.
brendan schaub
Creepy Kid.
bryan callen
The pervy Kid?
joe rogan
Mildly delusional Kid?
brendan schaub
Wrinkly Kid?
The wrinkle Kid?
bryan callen
The lying Kid?
How about the fact that I told a story, like a really good long story, dramatic, and my father in front of a bunch of people goes like this, like friends, and he goes, now how much of that story do you think is actually true?
I was like, you motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is you understand drama so well that you'll occasionally sprinkle it in as long as you keep the ethics of the original idea of the story intact.
bryan callen
Don't know what you're talking about, sir.
Don't know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
You are more concerned with the entertainment value of what you're saying than you are the veracity of the truth.
bryan callen
I'm outraged!
joe rogan
Involved in his statements.
bryan callen
Who's that?
brendan schaub
Benjamin Button?
A.K.A. Brad Pitt?
joe rogan
Why are we showing that guy?
Jamie decides to spice it up.
Shows a naked man in the mirror with glasses on.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Benjamin Button flexing.
joe rogan
I think overall, you would never change the actual results of the story you're talking about, but you would flavor that story with additional spices that weren't in the original recipe.
brendan schaub
He's like a lawyer.
joe rogan
You'll throw some shit in there to make it better, and I appreciate that.
bryan callen
We took our lie detector test.
joe rogan
But as a good friend, I have to throw things through a filter.
unidentified
All the time.
joe rogan
And when you tell me something, I have to go, Skeptical hippo.
brendan schaub
Skeptical hippo.
bryan callen
I gotta go.
joe rogan
I love this dude, but let me see where I go with this.
bryan callen
Where is he going with this?
brendan schaub
Every story.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
bryan callen
Hey, I took a lie to Texas.
I said, ask me all the Taekwondo questions you want.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a psycho?
bryan callen
No, the problem was that she goes, you're a complete liar.
brendan schaub
That's us when Brian tells any story.
joe rogan
So what happened?
bryan callen
Well, she said, she goes, I lied across the board.
joe rogan
You lied about everything?
brendan schaub
She said he lies about everything.
bryan callen
There were things he knew were true that he asked me to see, and it just didn't work out.
So I wiggle a lot and I sweat.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about a lie detector test, okay?
Here's the thing.
As soon as you're measuring something, you're changing what that thing is because you're making someone conscious of the fact that you're measuring it.
And so if you're a completely self-conscious person who's always aware of how people are viewing him, like Brian Callen, which is one of the reasons why you're so entertaining, is because you really want everybody around you.
You're very accommodating.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
And you're a very, like, Brian, like, way more than me.
He suffers fools.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, we're around fools.
I'm like, I am seeing a fucking wasted time.
There's a cloud coming.
We gotta get in the car.
We gotta get out of here.
brendan schaub
Oh, Brian loves him an idiot.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
He loves it.
He loves it.
brendan schaub
He loves him a doofus.
bryan callen
Brian loves him an idiot.
joe rogan
But it's because he's so accommodating.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's, like, such a nice guy.
And I can't do it anymore.
bryan callen
One of my favorite pastimes is to go through my life and think about how much time I would have saved if I had just walked away from certain people.
joe rogan
You just listen to me.
brendan schaub
You love an idiot.
joe rogan
How many times have I told you?
This has been a dozen times.
This guy's retarded.
This girl's crazy.
I'm like, we gotta get away from him.
This guy's gonna fucking take you to jail.
What are you doing?
brendan schaub
You and I will both tell him about the same guy.
joe rogan
Oh, you don't over and over.
Hold on.
You don't know the same guy I know.
See, I know Brian Callen.
No, you do not.
I know Brian Callen from 1994. Which was a totally different crazy person.
Brian Callen from 1994. 28 years old.
brendan schaub
Rock car dick.
joe rogan
You know how you have those goggles that people wear when they go swimming and they're doing laps in the pool?
Yes.
Imagine if you took those and you painted black around everything except like a pencil eraser in the center of each one of those and that's how you looked at the world.
That's how Brian would navigate life.
brendan schaub
Just girls.
joe rogan
Girls and retarded friends.
brendan schaub
And idiots.
Are you an idiot?
You a girl?
bryan callen
And good food.
joe rogan
When you'd have these friends and I'd meet these guys, I'd be like, oh yeah, hey, nice to meet you.
Come here.
You gotta get the fuck away from this guy.
What are you doing?
unidentified
Why are you hanging out?
bryan callen
But throw in two dogs and parents and parents and moving girls and books.
I'd read all kinds of crazy shit.
joe rogan
I'd come over his house and he's got no doorknob.
Okay?
First of all, he has no doorknob.
He lives in Venice Beach.
He's got no doorknob.
I walk in his house.
He's got a book sitting on the table and it's like a Jack Kerouac book.
I'm like, you're not reading that book.
You want girls to think you're reading that book.
bryan callen
Well, I called you.
joe rogan
I called him up.
bryan callen
I go, dude, I'm laying books.
There was this girl who went to Princeton.
She was fucking really smart.
And I called Joe.
I go, I have to call you because you need to know that I'm a fraud.
But if I tell you I'm a fraud, I'm not a fraud.
So I go, bro, I'm laying books out about around my fucking place.
So the girl thinks I read and I'm keeping, I'm opening the page I was like, but the fact that I'm telling my best friend that I'm doing that, it means I'm not a fraud.
I'm lying, but I'm not lying to you.
That's the rule.
joe rogan
This is a true statement, but the chronology is broken.
I had informed him first that he was a fraud with his books on the coffee table, and I knew it, and he denied it, and then admitted it, and then called me.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
That's the actual...
See, there you go.
bryan callen
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
It's 100% true.
Yeah.
But...
You did come clean.
Eventually.
bryan callen
You have to come clean.
You cannot lie to your friends.
Your friends have to know who you are, man.
joe rogan
But isn't that funny?
Being a guy who is secretly deep is attractive somehow to the genetics of a woman who's searching for a man with character because the guy who's secretly deep who can deal with shit, maybe gets up in the morning, sets his alarm clock at 4am and goes running up a hill, that guy can understand what it's like to overcome pressure.
And that's appealing to women's genetics.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Because they know that this whole supermarket, highway thing, this ain't gonna last.
brendan schaub
No, shit hits the fan.
joe rogan
This is great for like a small, brief window of history, but there's a thing called a supervolcano.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yes.
joe rogan
And it's sitting in Yellowstone National Park.
And it's a continent killer.
And every six to eight hundred thousand years, it fucking explodes.
And everything dies.
And the earth gets cool.
Because it goes into nuclear winter.
And the last time it happened was eight hundred thousand years ago.
And it's fucking coming.
brendan schaub
Any day now.
joe rogan
You better enjoy this.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Enjoy this.
brendan schaub
So fuck the muscular guys that wake up in the morning.
unidentified
Be ready.
joe rogan
Listen, you don't understand what you're doing.
brendan schaub
Be ready for what?
unidentified
For the fucking volcano and lava, you pussy.
bryan callen
And I hunt.
You stay behind me once again.
joe rogan
There's no ready.
bryan callen
And I'll find the fucking food.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
bryan callen
You can't control your breathing.
We're gonna starve.
joe rogan
The universe is just as content with us being hit by a fucking asteroid and being knocked back down to single-celled organisms as it is us succeeding and figuring out a way to get to Mars.
The universe is just as happy with either result.
bryan callen
You can find all this paperwork in that fucking Air Force Base in Laurel Canyon.
unidentified
You're talking about Mr. Leto's place!
brendan schaub
You're talking about Mr. Leto!
eddie bravo
Look into it!
Look into it!
bryan callen
I am going to.
joe rogan
There can be no doubt that the government has tried to manipulate the consciousness of the population.
It can be no doubt.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
Power over people.
You should do it, and Nixon was a fucking total sneaky piece of shit.
I mean, that's what Nixon's whole...
Look, they've proven that Nixon's war on drugs is about controlling the civil rights movement and controlling the anti-war movement.
It's 100% been proven.
It's one of the things that's being discussed right now in mainstream newspapers and mainstream magazines.
The reason why they went after marijuana and mushrooms and LSD is because they wanted to silence the anti-war people and the civil rights people.
Period.
brendan schaub
Boom.
But they didn't create the doors.
joe rogan
No.
But they did, but they didn't mean to.
Here's the thing.
You can't engineer beautiful creativity.
Don't you love her badly?
You can't do that.
You can't do that.
that ready you're you're a brilliant creative guy and And one of the reasons why you're brilliant and creative is because you were repressed as a child.
You encountered a lot of stress and bullshit and a lot of people that were counting against you.
They were rooting against you, and you figured out a way to rise through that and figure your way through this maze of life on your own.
And it's because of that pressure that created this creativity, in my opinion.
I mean, I might be wrong.
brendan schaub
You like the doors of jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
But I think that's the same thing that happens to a lot of guys, whether it's Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison.
I think...
You deal with the wrong, you see the wrong thing.
You see a dad who's an alcoholic or who beats his mom and this fucking chaos and the house gets repossessed and you see all the flaws of the people before you.
And oftentimes the most together people are the people that grew up with parents that weren't together.
Because they realize, whoa, I gotta realize what these people are doing wrong and I gotta get it right myself.
So when you see a guy like Jim Morrison who's this fucking brilliant freak who came out of nowhere, if you really look at musical history, but this is what I'm saying.
If you look at musical history, like the 1950s were like the doorway to this rock and roll thing.
Like Elvis came through and Jerry Lee Lewis and there was Chuck Berry.
But there's all this weird music came through and then the Beatles and then there was these rock Fuck motherfuckers.
And there was all these drugs that are involved.
And there's also the war.
bryan callen
And everybody's trying to get the fuck away from the war.
And the civil rights movement.
joe rogan
And the civil rights movement.
bryan callen
Black people hadn't been able to vote.
In 1964 was when they were granted the right to vote.
joe rogan
Think about that.
1964. It has all the elements of a classic suppression and response to the suppression creative outburst.
And that creative outburst is one of the most beautiful, artistic accomplishments of the human race.
If you look at the 1960s, look at the Beatles, you look at the Led Zeppelin, look at the Doors, look at the Who, look at the music of the 60s, look at...
Jefferson Starship.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
No one's no one's writing great music on antidepressants.
eddie bravo
It's not happening.
All I'm saying is I don't know what the fuck's going on.
All I'm saying if it's true, if it might not even be true, if it's true that all those bands came from Laurel Canyon and they were all kids of Air Force intelligence officers, that's fucking weak.
brendan schaub
Maybe that's what they related on.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't understand that the parents would be busy at work.
They don't even have time to spend time with their fucking kids.
They love their kids, Joe.
The kids eventually wind up being drug addicts.
They go to school, they smoke cigarettes, they hang out with the cool kids, they go hang out by the fucking auto shop, and they learn how to fix tires.
eddie bravo
None of them got drafted.
joe rogan
Well, without a doubt, the parents would use their influence to keep their children from being drafted.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
It's happened throughout history.
brendan schaub
Who wouldn't, though?
eddie bravo
And coincidentally, they become rock stars.
And coincidentally, they become rock stars.
That's a coincidence?
joe rogan
But you're assuming the most preposterous thing, Eddie.
Eddie, you're assuming the most preposterous thing.
You're assuming that the most creative, beautiful moment in music history, arguably, the 1960s, was created by retards so fucking stupid that got a job at the government.
bryan callen
Yeah, correct.
brendan schaub
How dare you.
eddie bravo
I'm not saying shit.
I'm just saying it's weird.
bryan callen
It's so far-fetched.
joe rogan
It's not fucking weird, Eddie.
It's obvious.
unidentified
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
There's suppression.
Don't you recognize...
It's weird, dude.
It's fucking weird.
Eddie, Eddie.
Do you not recognize the pressure?
eddie bravo
Top secret Air Force intelligence base making propaganda films in Laurel Kang and all those bands.
You can name them all.
The Doors, The Eagles, Linda Ronstadt, all of them.
They were all kids.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
The people that work there.
That's weird shit!
What would be the benefit the government would have when making awesome music like The Doors music?
brendan schaub
Besides being awesome?
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
You tell me.
unidentified
The government doesn't have a music department.
Jim Morrison's father orchestrated the Gulf of Tonkin.
joe rogan
What about your dad?
What about my dad?
I don't even talk to that fucking dude.
Exactly.
eddie bravo
My dad didn't orchestrate nothing.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
Both of us don't even talk to our dads.
Why the fuck would you assume that Jim Morrison talked to his dad?
I would assume that Jim Morrison is such a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
He was close to his father.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
If you're close to your dad, you don't do acid.
You don't pull your dick out of Miami and get arrested.
brendan schaub
It's a legit point.
Guys with good dads don't pull their dicks out.
bryan callen
Damn it, you guys.
This podcast is out of fucking control.
And these antlers have fur on them.
joe rogan
It's in control.
And that's velvet.
unidentified
Velvet!
eddie bravo
I hated the door.
joe rogan
That's a mule deer.
bryan callen
It's velvet.
That's a nice fucking mule deer.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
bryan callen
Hey, are we gonna shoot some mule deer with my bow?
joe rogan
No, there's no way you're doing anything by that time unless you get some serious practice.
I don't think you understand how difficult it is even to hit a target.
bryan callen
You just said how great he is.
I'm getting my bow fixed.
I gotta pee.
joe rogan
I did not.
Certainly did not.
He's never even shot an arrow.
He came over my house once.
He couldn't pull my bow back.
bryan callen
Hey, that's bullshit.
I wasn't there.
joe rogan
You tell the truth.
What happened?
bryan callen
I had a fucking trick.
eddie bravo
I have a trick shoulder.
joe rogan
Shoulders jacked.
bryan callen
Fuck that 90 pound bow.
I got a 60 pound bow.
joe rogan
He hasn't pulled a bow back yet, but we have to...
It's not ethical at this stage, because we're talking about going out in August, and right now it's almost June.
eddie bravo
Do you think you'll ever progress?
Do you think you're killing because you started small with little birds and shit?
Do you think you'll ever get to the...
Now you're bears and shit.
joe rogan
Rhinos.
Why not killer whales?
First of all, a killer whale, you don't eat them, and they're intelligent.
I don't want to eat smart shit.
eddie bravo
Bears are very smart.
joe rogan
They're smart compared to what?
eddie bravo
They know to eat their babies because their babies are going to come back to hunt them later.
So that's how smart they are.
That's like FBI shit right there.
joe rogan
That's not intelligence.
That's not intelligence.
eddie bravo
That's not vision, bro.
brendan schaub
That's not vision.
I'm not mad at that argument.
eddie bravo
Yeah, come on.
That's like this motherfucker.
He's a little baby right now.
Right now.
But he's going to grow up really quick.
brendan schaub
He's smart.
eddie bravo
And this motherfucker's going to try to fuck my shit up.
I better eat him while he's a little baby.
After a while you learn that shit in the wild.
That's the law of the fucking wilderness.
joe rogan
That's not why they kill each other.
They kill their babies because it brings the female back in the heat so they can fuck them.
eddie bravo
That's another good reason.
I like that.
joe rogan
So what happens is the female will have a cub and then they'll go into their den and they'll hibernate in their den and they come out in the spring and the male will be horny but the female's like, I already have babies, fuck you.
And so the male eats the veggies.
unidentified
Typical.
brendan schaub
Not anymore.
joe rogan
Typical.
eddie bravo
That's like the same old shit.
Species, the species, the species is the same shit.
joe rogan
Whoa, he got crazy.
unidentified
I'm kidding.
eddie bravo
I'm just playing.
brendan schaub
Scared the fuck out of me.
unidentified
You know what I'm talking about!
That's some bullshit!
joe rogan
I gotta pee.
Hold on, you guys talk about yourself.
brendan schaub
Whoa, you're taking a piss for the first time.
joe rogan
I've been lost like four hours in, man.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
10-20.
brendan schaub
It's a piss marathon.
eddie bravo
It's 4-20?
joe rogan
10-20.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
My wife's gonna kill me.
joe rogan
Okay, someone keep the podcast going.
eddie bravo
Okay, let me do some doors here.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen.
Jim Morrison.
joe rogan
I walk away for a second.
He starts texting people.
This is a goddamn podcast going on.
eddie bravo
Brian, show me how badass you want to be.
Do some of your...
You want to be a fucking warrior.
Show me...
Tell me, Brian, I hear you want to be a warrior.
Tell me how bad you want to be a fucking warrior.
Tell me how bad you want it.
You want it bad?
bryan callen
Dude, I fucking practice sidekick until I start coming off the ground.
eddie bravo
That's what I heard.
bryan callen
Can I be honest?
I'm not trying to be a dick.
My jab, to practice my jab, I catch birds out of the air.
I know it sounds weird, but I do.
brendan schaub
Eddie, I hate to be a dick, but the other day, Brian was telling me how he thinks the whole 9-11 thing is just, he thinks you're full of shit.
eddie bravo
Of course, he's on that side.
He's on that side.
bryan callen
I love Eddie.
You know I love Eddie.
eddie bravo
No matter what?
bryan callen
I like Eddie so much that I never argue with him.
eddie bravo
No matter what?
There's no way I'm going to argue with him.
bryan callen
I don't argue because I like Eddie too much.
I don't argue.
How many times have I said that on our podcast?
I go, even when he goes into his...
No, because I like him too much.
eddie bravo
I don't care.
I would love to believe the government and everything they say, too.
I would fucking love that.
brendan schaub
No, I don't believe everything they say.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
I'm talking about Brian.
He believes everything they say.
brendan schaub
No, I don't think he does.
eddie bravo
No, no.
brendan schaub
Brian, you don't believe everything the government says.
eddie bravo
Tell me one big incident, one tragic incident.
brendan schaub
He said he doesn't trust them.
eddie bravo
No, he totally does, because he trusts everything about 9-11, and there's holes everywhere.
So if you trust watching Tower 7 completely free fall on video from five different angles, and you believe the government eight years later when they finally came out and they said, Oh, I got too hot.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You believe that shit, you're on that side.
That's the litmus test.
There's nothing you can say to those guys.
Nothing.
I give up.
That's why I go to Tower 7. I go, do you believe Tower 7 collapsed at free-fall speed because it got hot?
If they say yes, then I'm done.
I'm done.
brendan schaub
Well, that doesn't mean he believes all government.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
If you believe that, that's the worst one.
It's on video, five different angles.
There's many on video demolition experts looking at this and saying...
bryan callen
There are a lot of demolition experts that don't agree with that.
eddie bravo
No, but...
You don't have any video?
bryan callen
Scientific American did an amazing debunking all of your theories there.
eddie bravo
So you believe Tower 7 collapsed at free-fall speed because it got too hot?
bryan callen
I don't know anything about that.
I know nothing about that stuff.
eddie bravo
Let me educate you a little bit.
When they had a press conference with NIST, the National Institute of Standard and Technology, they're the ones that came out and explained what happened to Tower 7. When they asked them, did you guys check for explosives?
Why didn't you check for explosives?
It's really simple.
It's like kindergarten shit.
When they asked the head of NIST, why didn't you check for explosives?
For explosives.
Why didn't you test for explosives on Tower 7?
They said there was no reason to.
bryan callen
There was no testimonial.
eddie bravo
There was no witnesses.
Meanwhile, there's about an hour of witnesses, firemen, policemen, saying, Bombs went off!
Bombs went off!
There's video of bombs going off!
Bombs went off!
unidentified
Bombs!
eddie bravo
And the guy said...
We didn't check for bombs because there was no eyewitness testimony.
What about that, Brian?
bryan callen
Who flew those planes in the building?
joe rogan
Exactly.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm saying.
bryan callen
Was it remote control?
eddie bravo
There's nothing anybody can say.
bryan callen
It was remote control?
eddie bravo
There's nothing I can say to you.
There's nothing I can say.
I provided complete video evidence for you.
I broke it down for you.
joe rogan
Here's the problem.
eddie bravo
And you're still saying...
That's still not enough.
There's nothing I can say to you.
joe rogan
How much?
Nothing.
bryan callen
I haven't said anything.
joe rogan
I've said nothing to you.
brendan schaub
What else do you mean?
eddie bravo
There's nothing.
joe rogan
Let me play devil's advocate momentarily.
I'm saying nothing.
Let me play devil's advocate momentarily.
When you look at Tower 7, it clearly looks like a controlled demolition, right?
It looks like the way it implodes.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen it so long.
joe rogan
It falls into its base.
It looks like a controlled demolition.
Is it possible that you could get a diesel fire in a building where the fuel burns so hot that it fucks up all of the supporting beams to this building and it all just gives out and pancakes on each other?
bryan callen
I'm not a structural engineer, so I don't know.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
I don't understand it.
eddie bravo
There's 100,000 architects and engineers in the association and one by one it was like 200, then it was 1,500, then it was 2,000.
bryan callen
You're wrong about that.
eddie bravo
No, no, it's true.
bryan callen
That they denied that?
You're simply wrong.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Let's watch it.
Let's watch it.
eddie bravo
Buyers made the building do that?
bryan callen
I don't know, Eddie.
I don't know, Eddie.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
You're not all over that.
You don't trust the government.
You think the government are criminals.
brendan schaub
Eddie's swaying me.
eddie bravo
But, but, you don't think that's fucking fishy?
A detective would be all over that like a fuck, like flies on shit.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
If that was my building, I'd want my fucking money back.
unidentified
Me too.
brendan schaub
That shit crumbled.
eddie bravo
To me, that tells me there's some kind of hypnosis going on.
bryan callen
Eddie, who threw it?
Who flew his buildings in there?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Did you know that?
joe rogan
A plane didn't go into that building.
A plane didn't go into that.
eddie bravo
No plane.
There was three that went down, but the third one wasn't reported on because they knew the majority of the people, like you, real smart, would not even...
joe rogan
I like how he said real smart after he just shit on you.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he did shit on you.
Eddie is swaying the fuck out of me, though.
unidentified
Come on.
eddie bravo
Three buildings...
unidentified
He swaying you?
eddie bravo
Listen, listen, listen.
Three buildings went down.
Two of them got hit by a plane.
One didn't.
A detective would be so...
Lawyers would be all over that shit.
And you don't trust the government.
You believe the government are criminals.
But yet you got their back on this.
unidentified
That's scarier than the actual tower dropping at Free Fall Speed.
joe rogan
But Eddie, here's the problem.
eddie bravo
How is that possible?
joe rogan
But Eddie, here's the problem.
None of us really understand structural engineering.
I don't understand what happens when people are firing it.
eddie bravo
Exactly, but when you hear guys that do, one by one, when you see...
brendan schaub
But not all of them.
joe rogan
They're only the ones who are engineers and architects for truth.
eddie bravo
They're all bought off, dude.
If you just look at it...
bryan callen
Scientific Americans bought off?
eddie bravo
When you look at what's going on, like when people look at what trends are going on, this is the trend that's going on.
The trend is that there's a hundred thousand architects and engineers in the association, and bit by bit it's growing and growing, because you know what?
The guy that's the head of all that, he's sitting down...
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
What are you saying?
There's 100,000 architects and engineers in 9/11 Architects and Engineers for Truth?
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no.
brendan schaub
In some clubs?
eddie bravo
In the Association of Architects and Engineers, there's a national association.
There's a hundred thousand of them.
brendan schaub
Well, and twenty five hundred plus.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no.
That's different.
A hundred thousand in the whole association, not including 9-11.
They don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
I know.
I'm saying it says twenty five hundred think.
eddie bravo
No, but is it twenty?
brendan schaub
Because Joe Rogan had to take a piss and I was lost.
eddie bravo
Look, Brendan.
You're a smart man.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
eddie bravo
Hey, Brendan.
brendan schaub
I don't know, man.
It's the same thing.
eddie bravo
It's the same thing that we were talking about before.
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing in everything.
It's the exact same thing.
You could look at it like, hey, let me ask some questions.
Out of the 100,000, did these 2,500 come from the 100,000 being shown, the evidence, and only 2,500 believe it?
Or were only 2,500 shown?
Does that make a difference?
Does that make a difference in your...
Of course it does.
So the reality is, the 100,000 don't even know, most of them don't even know three towers went down.
These are architects, engineers that didn't even look into it.
So one by one, one by one, it's growing and growing because 15 at a time, they're getting 15 at a time.
They're showing them the evidence and they're going, holy shit, these motherfuckers were brought down.
That's what's going on.
bryan callen
It's not what's going on.
joe rogan
Eddie, anybody examining the evidence is going to know three towers went down.
Everybody knows three towers went down.
eddie bravo
Most people don't know three towers went down!
joe rogan
No, when you're talking about architects and engineers, you don't think the predominant group of...
If you looked at a million architects and engineers, you don't think that like 999,999 would fucking know that Tower 7 was brought down with Tower 1 and Tower 2?
eddie bravo
Can I talk?
Just because...
joe rogan
It's like I just dominated the conversation.
brendan schaub
Can I go?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
What did I just say?
Does that make sense?
eddie bravo
Just because you're an architect and an engineer and you're registered in the association, just because you're an architect...
Or an engineer, and you're registered in the association, doesn't mean you're privy to extra knowledge on 9-1-1.
Because the overall knowledge of 9-11 is most people don't know three towers went down.
That's an actual fact.
brendan schaub
We agree, Eddie.
eddie bravo
These architects and engineers don't even know.
But when they get sit down, all of them, 100% when they get sit down, I know the guy, I had him on my podcast, he's the head of all this shit.
Every one of them goes, oh shit, we've been honeydicked.
That's what's going on.
unidentified
Honeydicked?
eddie bravo
We're 9-11.
9-11.
joe rogan
Goddamn, Eddie.
Okay.
eddie bravo
You saw Tower 7 go down like that.
joe rogan
But hold on a second.
You saw it.
The architects and the engineers don't know about Tower 7, but you do.
eddie bravo
No, of course, because they didn't look into it.
They're normal people.
unidentified
You think just because you're an architect and engineer, you're going to get an email.
eddie bravo
You're going to get an email.
Most people don't know, even today, they don't even know about three times.
joe rogan
So you think they're going to get an email?
eddie bravo
You're going to get an email?
They're not researching it.
joe rogan
The ones that did find out easy.
If you're an architect or an engineer and you've passed through some sort of architectural course and I assume you got some sort of a master's degree in engineering and someone asks you to commentate on one of the most historic attacks in human civilization ever.
brendan schaub
I'm going to do some research.
joe rogan
You're going to do some research.
And you're going to look at all the different buildings that fell.
eddie bravo
Come on.
We're talking about real shit.
joe rogan
Eddie, 100%.
If you ask them to examine what happened to Tower 7, they're going to look at Tower 7. If you think they're going to talk to them about 9-11 and not bring up Tower 7, that's crazy.
eddie bravo
Most don't know about it.
joe rogan
They don't know about it.
eddie bravo
They can research it.
joe rogan
They can research it, but they don't.
Nobody covered it up, Eddie.
Nobody covered it up.
unidentified
You don't get to that level, Eddie, without researching shit like that.
joe rogan
When they sit them down...
It's not covering up.
It's just there's so much going on that day that Tower 7 seemed less important in comparison to Tower 1 and Tower 2, which were both hit by planes.
brendan schaub
And more deaths.
eddie bravo
But whatever it was, it didn't, whether it was an intentional cover-up, Tower 7, or it was a cover-up because there was so much hoopla, most people don't know about it because this is what's going on.
joe rogan
But so what?
So what?
eddie bravo
Richard Gage is the guy.
joe rogan
Eddie, why would you think that architects don't know?
Why would you think that engineers don't know that building?
unidentified
I don't know what they don't, but what we do know.
eddie bravo
You don't know, I don't know, but what we do know is when they sit them down, they say, oh shit, I didn't know there was a third.
joe rogan
Maybe.
No, Eddie, come on, man.
Most of them.
Come on, man, that's not true.
You don't know that that's true.
eddie bravo
That's what Richard Gaines shows.
joe rogan
You're getting so crazy about this.
You're getting so emotional.
We're not involved in this.
It's not a part of our lives.
And you don't know what they knew before they looked at it.
eddie bravo
You want to think the Tower 7 collapsed because it got hot?
joe rogan
Go for it.
Do you think that's what I think?
unidentified
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what I want?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't want to make a conclusion without having any facts.
When I look at Tower 7, I say, Eddie, not true.
eddie bravo
Expert testimonial, it can be used in court.
There's plenty of expert testimonial.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
That kind of shit can be used in court to prove a case, and there's plenty of expert testimonial on video about 9-11.
joe rogan
But you know, there's also expert testimonial that the diesel fuel from the tanks in the basement...
eddie bravo
Show me the...
joe rogan
Show me the other shit.
eddie bravo
You say that it is, but there isn't.
Show me the...
joe rogan
How many architects...
eddie bravo
Send me a link after this.
Telling me.
Send me a link.
You guys don't even know about no link.
joe rogan
You wouldn't even know where to go like that.
eddie bravo
But I can send you links that can crush your shit.
joe rogan
Right now.
We're crushing each other.
eddie bravo
You're talking about some links that don't exist.
unidentified
You're talking about proof.
joe rogan
We should take this time to address all the nerds out there that feel disenfranchised, but all this violent testosterone-induced yelling and screaming.
We love you too.
We all love each other.
We love everybody.
brendan schaub
Brian, you didn't say a word.
joe rogan
You don't have a dog in this fight.
Brian has some thoughts on this.
bryan callen
I won't get involved.
brendan schaub
No, just wrap it up for us.
End it here.
bryan callen
I just think it's amazing that Eddie has the inside scoop when every major publication from The Guardian from the New York Times To Lawrence Wright who won a Pulitzer Prize winning book called The Looming Tower that actually traced this...
joe rogan
Don't you fucking quote people, you son of a bitch.
bryan callen
To, I mean, Time Magazine, Newsweek.
I mean, they've all been bought off by the Illuminati or the government.
And Eddie's YouTube and his inside scoop...
unidentified
has the truth and all the rest of us are fucking wrong!
bryan callen
I want to thank Eddie for being who the fuck he is because he's a national treasure and I fucking love the guy.
eddie bravo
I love you too.
bryan callen
I love him.
Eddie's a good person.
eddie bravo
You know what?
Listen, I want to fucking get on that government side.
I want to get on that government side.
Please let me in this motherfucker.
bryan callen
You and I don't like the government.
You give them too much credit.
joe rogan
Guys, you've got to stop talking over each other.
eddie bravo
I'm going to get into the Illuminati one of these days, and I'm going to make a false flag directly for you.
bryan callen
I want it, brother.
eddie bravo
And you're going to believe all that shit.
bryan callen
I want it.
eddie bravo
Oh, I'm going to make it for you.
joe rogan
Listen, that's definitely going to happen.
Glad we're talking about it.
That's totally not a waste of time.
unidentified
No, not at all.
eddie bravo
I'm going to make it happen.
unidentified
Watch.
eddie bravo
I got it.
bryan callen
Eddie Brab is a national treasure.
eddie bravo
I already have it in my head.
bryan callen
I just want you to not give the government so much credit.
They're not that organized.
joe rogan
There's also a real benefit.
eddie bravo
They're too dumb.
They couldn't do it.
joe rogan
There's a real benefit to not getting emotional and yelling about things that you're not exactly sure about.
And when we talk about these things, it's a better approach to step back and go, what are the possibilities?
How much do I have invested in one particular argument that I've already The only reason I go to Tower 7 is because that's the most obvious one.
eddie bravo
That's the litmus test.
That's the most obvious one.
joe rogan
It's fucking curious for sure, but it's not obvious because neither you nor I is an architect or an engineer.
It's obvious that it looks like a controlled demolition.
It's not obvious why it fell apart.
I don't understand it.
eddie bravo
A jury is not an expert.
So when a jury sits in and they listen to expert testimony, there is expert testimony.
brendan schaub
Your YouTube research is tough, man.
eddie bravo
That's why I was talking to you.
joe rogan
You know, there's people out there that believe crazy shit.
eddie bravo
Have you ever listened to people that say crazy shit?
brendan schaub
I ride the middle, man.
eddie bravo
A fucking 47-story skyscraper collapses at free-fall speed, and you're gonna believe fire fucking did that shit?
joe rogan
Is the earth flat?
eddie bravo
No.
It's fucking round.
It's like a pear, right?
Isn't that what Tyson McGrassi says?
unidentified
McGrassi?
joe rogan
God damn it, Eddie.
unidentified
You had me until Degrassi.
eddie bravo
Didn't he say it was a pear?
joe rogan
Is the earth flat, ladies and gentlemen?
eddie bravo
Eddie, there's no evidence that the earth is flat, but you know what there is evidences?
There's pure...
Evidence all over the place that NASA is posting CGI pictures everywhere of Earth.
unidentified
Come on, it's all CGI. Is that crazy?
joe rogan
Game of Thrones is on tonight.
I gotta go.
eddie bravo
Seriously, so you don't think...
brendan schaub
Eddie, the Earth is round.
eddie bravo
No, no, I'm not talking about the Earth is round.
It's so round.
It's so round.
I'm talking about that, but I'm talking about pictures...
joe rogan
You know, NASA's trolling.
They have a Snapchat account, and just like girls, Joe Rogan's flat Earth denial.
Please.
Don't.
brendan schaub
You just hooked him up.
joe rogan
Don't hook that guy up.
eddie bravo
I never said the Earth was flat.
joe rogan
I am saying it's not flat.
People are mad at me for saying it's not flat.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
BJ Penn apparently thinks the Earth is flat.
Oh, no.
Tila Tequila retweeted her the other day, thinks the Earth is, in fact, flat.
Tila Tequila?
She's so smart.
bryan callen
I love Tila.
brendan schaub
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
Seems like a fun gal.
brendan schaub
Earth's flat.
joe rogan
A lot of people think the Earth's flat.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
I don't know what you're feeling anymore.
brendan schaub
You can't be my friend if she's this flat.
eddie bravo
Do you believe we went to the moon six times and back?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
Do you believe we went to the moon six times and back?
Of course you do.
Do you believe we went to the moon six times and back?
bryan callen
He goes, of course you do.
unidentified
Do you?
We did?
You don't know?
eddie bravo
You're on the fence?
joe rogan
He's from Ohio.
eddie bravo
You don't know?
brendan schaub
What about you?
eddie bravo
For sure we went.
unidentified
For sure we went.
brendan schaub
We for sure went to the moon.
It wasn't a stage.
eddie bravo
I'm not going to debate it.
I just want to know where you guys are at.
brendan schaub
I want to know where you got your research.
joe rogan
Listen, man, here's 100%.
eddie bravo
I don't believe for one motherfucking second we went to the fucking moon six goddamn times and back.
And we can't do it now?
We can't do it now?
brendan schaub
We can't do it now?
unidentified
No!
eddie bravo
NASA says we can't do it.
We got to figure out how to get through the...
Van Allen radiation belts.
bryan callen
Wait a minute.
eddie bravo
No, that's what they said.
They're on record.
There's videos of it.
They're on record saying that.
We're going to get to the moon.
We're going to get to the moon as soon as we figure out how to get three things.
Three things they've got to figure out.
They've already said it.
They've already admitted it.
They've got to figure out how to get to the Van Allen radiation belts.
They admitted that.
Once they figure that out, Then they could have a man mission in the moon.
Wait a minute, didn't we go six times in the 60s?
bryan callen
Conditions change!
joe rogan
Conditions change!
unidentified
Have you ever seen gravity?
eddie bravo
Okay, beautiful, beautiful.
And then the next thing they said, they gotta figure out the right uniform to handle that kind of radiation.
They haven't figured out the right space suit.
Good night, America.
bryan callen
Good night, everybody.
joe rogan
Good night, world.
I'm converting.
We love you.
From Young Jamie.
eddie bravo
I never said that.
joe rogan
From Brendan Shaw.
eddie bravo
I'm just saying.
We didn't go to the goddamn moon.
joe rogan
We didn't go to the goddamn moon.
brendan schaub
We sure went to the moon.
We went to the fucking moon.
unidentified
Good night, everybody.
bryan callen
Everybody in this room.
joe rogan
I love everybody in this room.
Say good night.
Everybody, please say good night.
We're wrapping this bitch up.
bryan callen
Yeah!
joe rogan
Game of Thrones, motherfuckers!
Congratulations.
They fell so smoothly.
Unlike any other government agency, you guys got this shit down.
unidentified
You figured out a way how to manipulate media.
joe rogan
You figured out a way how to create Jim Morrison, who's obviously one of the greatest musicians of all time.
You've done an amazing job.
And congratulations on Tower 7. I mean, the fucking thing felt like butter.
You guys are wizards.
That's not odd, motherfucker.
There's a way...
There's a way, and whatever way that is, you guys, you got it.
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