Bert Kreischer and Joe Rogan explore how Anthony Bourdain’s jiu-jitsu obsession reshaped his life, contrasting it with Kreischer’s abrupt shift in sexual behavior post-fatherhood. They mock modern public shaming—like Justine Sacco’s viral backlash—and debate its limits, citing Bill Cosby’s crimes as needing prosecution over just outrage. Rogan criticizes network TV’s stifling control, praising podcasts and YouTube for creative freedom, while Kreischer admires independent comedians like Ari Shaffir. The conversation pivots to gun violence, where Rogan argues stricter U.S. competency tests could mirror Australia’s success in reducing mass shootings, linking societal stagnation to extremism. Ultimately, they question whether conformity or radical openness drives progress, blending humor with sharp cultural critiques. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, there are in different schools, you know, depending on who's teaching you and how they approach it.
But there's overall in the art of jiu-jitsu, and I call it an art because it really is an art.
It's like there's techniques and it's a martial art.
It's the most...
It's the most martial or the most art of martial arts, in my opinion, because it's the most open to creativity.
Guys like Eddie Bravo is the best example of that because he's such a creative guy.
He's invented so many moves and so many transitions and pathways, named them, and they're really unique.
So if you roll with him, you literally don't know what he's doing.
If you roll with a standard jujitsu guy, even if you're really good, there's certain guys like a Hicks and Gracie, for example, who does the basics, all of the basics of jujitsu, but does them to a level of mastery that you cannot comprehend until you train with him.
And when you train with him, you'll just go, all that other stuff is nonsense.
You just need straight jiu-jitsu, you know, from the mothership, from Elio Gracie and Carlos Gracie.
That's all you need.
Just razor sharp that shit.
Hodger Gracie is like that.
Henzo's like that.
They mostly just do the basics, but to a level of mastery that's incomprehensible to the average person.
But then there's a bunch of guys that are super creative.
Jeff Glover, the guy that we were talking about the other day, he's one of them.
Bravo, Eddie Bravo's one of them, of course.
And there's a bunch of other guys out there, too.
Eddie Cummins, who's a student of this guy, John Donaher, who's probably the most creative of all the teachers, or one of the most creative, next to Eddie.
And he's got this crazy leg lock game that they're all learning.
So they're all learning this super complicated leg lock game from this guy who was a philosophy PhD major.
That's what he was doing.
He was, like, studying philosophy and working as a bouncer.
And he got into jiu-jitsu because he wanted to learn how to defend himself because all these fights would happen when people were drunk.
And then he just became obsessed with jiu-jitsu.
And now he's, like, one of the most sought-after jiu-jitsu coaches in the world.
Like, George St. Pierre used to use him, and he teaches at Henzo Gracie's Academy in New York.
So it's like there's, like, this real underground...
Like, it's not what everybody thinks it is.
People think of it as being, like, meatheads and, like, these, like, really muscled-up dudes with tattoos on their necks.
It's not.
There's a lot of those guys in there, too.
But what it really is is this crazy problem-solving game that's going on that everybody's playing with their body.
This is going to sound like a really silly question, but if...
Like if you, say Eddie Bravo, say you picked a fight with Eddie Bravo and he was forced to kick your ass, would there be at some point when you woke up the next day that you'd remember something he did to you artistically and be like, damn, that was beautiful.
I told you that the day after we were all at the Comedy Store, and you had the joke about Bruce Jenner, the gargoyle.
And I'm fucking howling in the back.
And I don't know if I told you this part, but I will tell you right now.
And then I went up in between you and Burr, and Burr went up after me and just seamlessly destroyed.
And then you went up and just seamlessly destroyed after him.
And I woke up the next morning, and I told Leanne, I said, I'm fucking bummed.
I'm not...
I'm not writing the way these guys are writing.
I feel like I'm slow.
I feel clumsy on stage.
I feel like I should...
And then Liam was like, hold on, hold on.
You're talking about Joe and Bill, two of the best comedians in the world.
So don't hold yourself to that standard, but use that inspiration by watching the best to say to yourself, well, fuck, I can be better, if that's what you're saying.
You know, especially, like, right now, because it's a year after my last special, and I have, like, a full set now, and now I'm just trying to make it good and trying to add to it and cut away from it.
But it's like I'm working with, you know, a full hour, 20 minutes of new stuff.
So it's all...
I pretty much have...
What I need to turn into a weapon now.
Now I have to hone it and sharpen it.
It's super exciting, man, because it's nerve-wracking.
You're doing a lot of sets and you're fucking around in different places.
I'm not the opposite of you, but I have a hard time.
I like the fucking of creativity.
I like the fucking of impulse.
I don't like to be in a relationship with creativity.
I like the moment where you get an idea, you meet it at the bar, and you fucking take it home, and you fuck it up against a wall, and then you walk out and you're like, I'll never call that idea again.
Yeah, I love when you come up with that idea, and I walk away.
I love that.
I used to call it the angel share.
It wasn't a bit.
It just happened.
Or what happens to me a lot of times, I'll come up with a bit, and I'll fuck it one night.
I won't make a relationship out of it, and then I'll just use it.
I'll be like, okay, I don't want to fuck with that.
I'm bored.
I want the new next thing.
I'm a commitment-phobe with material.
I tear through material so quickly that I just go like...
And maybe it's because it's not that good, or maybe it's because I'm not focusing on it, but I don't really have a lot of the passion to focus on it and literally toil with a bit.
Like, I get really kind of disconnected sometimes on stage.
Like, I tell the machine story now, and the second I say when I was 22 years old, I fucking feel a weight on my shoulders.
There is a great moment, though, when you tell that story, and I have no passion about telling it, but I tell it, and then this couple that doesn't seem like they'd ever like me just come out, and they're like, that was fucking amazing!
And you're like, you forget exactly, Daniel Tosh told me this, he goes, you have no idea how many people don't know who you are.
Like, they'll film themselves doing awful things, like getting fucked by guys, and they send it to her, and then she holds it and threatens to blackmail them, and then they get suicidal, but they want this.
They request this.
Like, she would never release it.
She's really interesting.
She's very smart, and she was a very nice person.
She didn't seem like the type of person that would do that.
The thing that she said that was interesting to me was...
For Hurt Bird, I was with a dominatrix for a day, so I was full-blown with a dominatrix.
And what was really fascinating is they said something about that first sexual experience you have, it sets an imprint for who you're going to be sexually.
I think you know a little bit of it because you're a dad.
And when you become a dad, you switch from just being a guy to a dad.
And it's a very real switch.
But I don't think it's nearly as...
Gigantic is the switch that goes off inside of a woman when she actually grows the baby in her body and then gives birth to it and then is Insanely responsible for that baby and they love them to a level that Like you compare the way you love your kids to the way someone says oh my god, I love my cat You're like you don't even know what the fuck love is you think a cat is like I can love a cat openly and pure.
Shut the fuck up.
Shut up.
Shut up.
If you had a kid, it would be different.
There's an intense, and I don't even necessarily say that this is like a moral choice that you make that it's different.
I think there's some insane biological switches that go off that are undeniable.
You know, there's this connection between oxytocin and kids, and that you look at the kids and your brain produces oxytocin, which is this love feeling.
There's like all sorts of weird shit that goes on.
I think that for a woman, and not all women, because there's women that do porn, that have babies.
They have families, and they've given birth, and then they go and just get gang-banged by giant dicks.
We live in this time where there's a bunch of people out there that think they're doing good, that they're good people because they call people out and they shame people.
It's so arbitrary.
What you decide is negative and what other people...
It's all about intent, right?
And when you say one cotton-picking minute, who the fuck is thinking about racism?
Who's thinking a racist thought when you say that?
It's just a nice way of saying one motherfucking minute is what it is.
We were throwing around way too much as kids, and now you only hear it on special occasions, and so you just saying that caught me so fucking off guard.
I was like, fuck, man, I haven't heard that in a little...
But there's so many diseases that kill people that are quicker than that.
Women die from HPV, which is like super common.
One of four people.
Yeah, women get cancer from that.
They can get cancer from that, and they can die from that.
That's way more common than a guy with HIV in the Western world who finds out about it, gets diagnosed, and starts taking medication.
Way more common for a woman to die from that than it is for the guy to die from the HIV in 2015. 2015 is an amazing time to have HIV. You wanna go get it, go get it.
They don't have it licked in the point where they have an injection that they can give you that cures it, but they have medication that make it undetectable.
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Him not telling the girls, though, do you think that's...
Well, that's what everybody was worried about in the 1990s.
When AIDS started its rampant rage through the public eye, everybody was scared that everybody was going to have it.
I had my first AIDS test in 92. It was an HIV test, I guess.
I was getting insurance, and I had to get an AIDS test.
I was like, oh my God, I was fucking terrified.
Terrified!
Terrified.
And when it came back clean, I was like, yes.
Because you don't know.
I think all the times you got drunk and didn't use a condom, and who knows what that girl had, and who knows what...
It's just like, there's no...
If it really was something that normal heterosexual men got through normal intercourse, The way it's been described to me by medical professionals, obviously, not by knuckleheads on the internet, is that it's just really difficult to get that because a man is injecting his dick inside of a girl and coming in a girl.
A woman's vagina, on the other hand, is an excellent candidate for reception.
Because it's moist in there.
It's essentially open tissue.
That's why some girls take drugs that way.
That's why people take drugs anally, too.
When you take an anal suppository, dudes will take ecstasy anally.
They'll take an ecstasy pill and stuff it up their ass, and it'll melt down, break down, and get into their bloodstream.
This is not worth telling, but I got an AIDS test in 95. And one of the first jokes I ever wrote, ever, before I was a comedian, I remember waiting the results and saying, think positive.
No, no, think negative.
Think negative?
No, think positive or think negative?
And I was waiting in the waiting room and I thought, that's funny.
Like, you want a positive result, but you want a negative positive result.
And I was joking in my head.
I said this and then they came out and they said, no, exactly what you just said.
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Yeah, he was like a really talented Taekwondo fighter, and he would come in and train like really hard for a short period of time, and then he would get sick.
And he was always one of those guys that everybody was like, where's Walter?
He was like super talented, really good.
But...
He would get sick and he just couldn't compete and then he would get better and he would just look like a world beater.
He was like really fucking good, really talented, really smart, just knew how to fight and then just kept getting sickle cell, just kept getting worse and getting better and this is like...
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Early 80s, 84. That's when it was taking out brothers left and right.
You never have one of those times where you just looked at your dick a bunch?
Like you like have sex one night and then the next day you like, like kind of giving your dick a once over and you're like, wait, what the fuck is that?
It started off with a one-night stand, and I was working at Barnes& Noble, and I went into the bathroom, and I was looking at my dick nonstop.
And then I started looking at those med journals.
And then I was like, you know what?
I don't know if anyone has obsessive compulsive hypochondria.
This is how it works.
You're like, you know what?
I'm going to be fine.
I'm going to go get some stuff at CVS, put it on my balls.
I won't notice anything in the morning.
And next thing you know, you're rubbing lotions and tenactin and fucking putting shit all over your balls and dicks thinking you're going to fix something.
And then it looks worse the next day.
And then you're like, alright, listen, all I gotta do is I'm gonna do the Tenactin, I'm gonna stay with the Tenactin, and then I'm gonna dip my balls and dick in a bowl of vinegar tonight, and that'll tell me.
And the next thing you know, your dick and balls have just been getting a fucking beating for like two days, and they don't look normal anymore.
And now you can't stop fucking with them.
You're literally like fucking with your dick nonstop.
I wonder if they talked about it, though, because there's a certain innocence to that time where they like to sweep stuff under the rug and not talk about it for the longest time.
I wonder.
I wonder how much of that was discussed.
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They probably called something different back then, too, like Indian mounds or something.
But I'll tell you what, there wasn't a lot of information back then, and it was just what you'd get was literally what you'd get on the internet now if your battery was dying.
That's the kind of internet information you'd get.
He's a professor of biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and he has this insanely controversial viewpoint on AIDS. And I want to just say this before I repeat what he believes, that 99% of the people that are in his field disagree with him.
This is a very, very small percentage of people.
It might just be him.
But this is his fringe belief.
He believes that HIV is actually a weak virus.
And he said that what it is a symptom of is a compromised immune system.
And that your immune system is compromised from drugs.
And one of the things that he connected is the amount of people that die from AIDS complications that were heavy drug users in the gay community.
And it's overwhelming.
Crazy numbers, crazy numbers, because they do animal nitrate and poppers, which are poppers, and meth, and they just love to party, because they don't have kids, and they're butt-fucking, woo!
So it was his contention that HIV was just a symptom that their immune system was already fucked up, and that if If we looked at it correctly, instead of from a social point of view, everybody's looking at it as like a social stigma, and it's something that can't be questioned because it's such a blight on the gay community, and we should all rally and help them, and you can't question what's actually going on.
They obviously have a disease that's killing them off, and we need research and funding and all this.
And he was saying, what, you get outside of that cloud of emotion that's attached to this and politically correct thinking.
And one common denominator you see with these people, with a lot of them, is heavy drug use.
So what he believed is that your immune system gets shattered from doing all the drugs, and then when they test you, HIV shows up.
But the reason HIV is there is like if you were healthy, your body would battle the HIV. Now HIV researchers think he's out of his fucking mind.
That's within the last, I believe, the last decade or so.
I think those things are called protease inhibitors, and I think that's one of the ways that they have figured out how to...
I think they have even better stuff now.
I don't know what the latest in HIV medication is, but...
If they have something that could make it get to that point, you would kind of assume that that would, like, I know a few people actually that have it, that have HIV, and they take the drugs, and they are, one of our friends works at the comedy store, and they are unperceptible, and you don't, what's the word?
Somehow or another it's like dormant in his system, and if his immune system drops down and gets all fucked up, like if he parties too hard or something like that, and he doesn't take his medication, maybe it would come back.
See, that doesn't necessarily mean that Dewsberg is right.
It seems very complicated.
It seems like Doing the drugs doesn't help.
That's what it seems like to me.
To say that doing the drugs is the reason that these people should get AIDS, and it's not the HIV, and the drugs are what's compromising their immune system, that's not necessarily true because there's not a lot of people that are just getting HIV and then getting better on their own with no drugs, with no medication.
So it could be that One thing we all know is that doing a lot of drugs is bad for your body.
So when they're doing crystal meth and amyl nitrate and they're getting crazy and not getting any sleep, that's terrible for your body.
And any disease that you have, when your body's already wrecked, is going to have a better grip on you.
That's just a fact.
We all know that.
That's with the common cold, with the flu, with anything.
When you have the flu and you get fucking hammered and start doing meth, you're going to feel like shit, you know?
Because your body's already wrecked.
Your immune system's already torched.
I don't necessarily think that his conclusions make a lot of sense to me, a non-scientific, non-medical person.
I think he probably, one of the reasons why all these people are angry at him is because he's jumped to some unscientific conclusions or some conclusions at least that they don't think are scientific.
The cynical point of view is that people that are conspiracy theorists would say, hey, the money is in the treatment, not in the cure, man.
What they want to do is they want to continue making money.
You'd have to be extremely cynical to think that that's the case.
They say that about cancer, but they kind of know how to stop cancer in a lot of ways.
They could prevent a significant amount of cancer.
If people just cleaned up their diet, cleaned up their diet, started eating healthy and exercising, that would stop a lot of it.
A lot of it.
What percentage?
I don't know.
But if you cut sugar out of your diet, and you started eating healthy, and you started exercising on a daily basis, how many people would be way healthier than they are now?
Probably a lot.
There's definitely people that get cancer because of genetics.
It's not all of it is due to poor diet and stress, but that can't help.
When your immune system's going bonkers and you're fucking tired and stressed out all the time, that shit ain't good.
Everyone's looking for one or the other.
They're looking to point the finger at one source.
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things that makes you wrecked.
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See, I always thought the CIA created AIDS. Did you hear that presidential thing that came out this week?
They're all funny-ass women, and she was in that first generation of those women who would post outrageous shit.
Kelly Oxford posted one time, and I fucking lost it, but I lost it laughing, and she deleted it because she was afraid of it, I think, was that women who wear pads love to smell their menstruation.
And I love that.
I just thought it was my wife's like, my wife would never wear a pad like in her life.
I remember someone offered a pad since she had her period.
You pay them, and then they flood the internet with websites that your name comes up on and fake pop-up.
You go to the website and it says, temporarily unavailable or whatever.
And they just flood the internet with that so that when you do find Justine Sacco, it's number seven on the list, and number one is semi-final medalist for this.
That would be the smart thing to deal with if somebody was fucking with you.
Hire someone to write complete fiction about you.
All the time.
Like, all day long.
Like, just make up shit.
Like, to the point where it's, like, finely, thinly veiled.
Like, it's very difficult to tell, like, what's true, what's not.
Like, almost like an onion story.
And just hire someone to do that all day.
So, like, if Justine Sacco had, like, a pile of cash, if she was Scrooge McDuck, and she just sat back with all her cash and said, you know what, I'm just gonna hire a team of creative writers.
Oh, dude, there were a lot of people that were like, hey man, like, tweeted me, did Rogan really, and there were people going, no, he got- Brian didn't get tricked, I'll tell you that.
You know, there's a kid that I know that gets bullied, and I told him the same thing about, like, you should go online, take the bully's name, and, like, really just throw all this fake stuff on there, make fake websites about him, and ruin the guy online.
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That's, like, nowadays the best way to get back at a bully, like, anonymous...
Well, George and I were both jaundiced, and you'd have to sit and hold them by the sun, like by the window, and let the sun hit them, and then you'd watch them turn from yellow to white.
I don't know if that's true.
I just remember hearing that they turned from yellow to white.
I'm a mole-y guy, and it's scary because a lot of my moles look like they should be cancer, but then you get them checked, and they're like, no, if it turns red and starts to spread and stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, hunting was about, like...
Waking up early and going out with your dad and fucking being tired and cold in a car and then going out and then possibly someone would hit you with buckshot at some point in the day.
But now it seems like these adventures, which almost, as a man, my wife got chickens and I understand she's never been more happy about a project in her life.
And she got it from your wife.
When we went to your house, she saw that.
She thought it was so fucking cool.
She'd been talking about it forever, finally gets the chickens.
Every morning she lets the chickens out.
She talks to them.
She's trained them so they'll come up and get on her.
And I watched that, and it's a primal instinct that's inherent in humans is to almost, I want to plow my own field.
I want to do my own work.
I want to feel like I did something.
And...
Those guys, when I listen to y'all do podcasts about it, it makes me want to go hunting.
That what it is is, well, you can explain it, but you go out there and there's a course and all these things pop up and you shoot them.
But you're going through this course, and as you're going through this course, some of them are rolling on the ground, some of them, they shoot up, they launch them in the air, and there are these clays, just like those same sort of things, right?
You can go to 15 different stations, and they're all set up differently to be different types of birds, different types of animals.
So, like, some will be like a rabbit where the clay rolls on the ground out in front of you, but you don't...
The real sport in it, and I've got to be honest with you, it's...
It's like fine-tuning your machine where you get up there, you have your gun, your shotgun, and we did the two-shot top and bottom, you know?
And you're out there, and you go pull, and your buddy hits the button behind you, and all of a sudden, two things come out of the woods, and you don't know where they're coming from, and you just are like, fuck, and you try to get it, and then there is this thing that hits on your head and hits in your fucking cerebellum where you're like, I couldn't feed my family today.
Like, you get done, you're like, I couldn't have fed my family today.
I couldn't have fed myself or my family.
I'd be back in the woods tomorrow.
And it was, it's cool, man.
I wish I could remember the right name of the place to say it so people would go there.
But it was, I mean, it's fucking packed.
But the day we went, sun was setting.
I posted a video on my YouTube page because we were walking, doing the walk, and a deer just walked across us.
And we have fucking shotguns.
And a deer just walked across.
I go, we can fucking kill it!
Like, we have loaded shotguns, but we're shooting sporting clays.
Well, what's going on is when you're out there and those things are running by, you're forced to focus on them.
And when you're forced to focus on the clay rolling on the ground or the one launching through the air, it takes you away from your problems and your troubles.
It takes you away from thinking about all the other things that are going on in the back of your brain constantly, whether it's bills or stress or schedule or travel.
I mean, you're constantly doing things and you have all these obligations and all these people tugging at you all the time.
And I'm like, this is the one thing that makes you sane on the road.
One thing that makes me touch into life is you're on the road, you're working, and then my cameraman, John Manns, would always be like, hey, UFC's on tonight.
Come on, we gotta go watch Rogan.
So my whole crew will go out, we'll go to Buffalo Wild Wings, they always show it, and we'll all watch it, and when you comment, one of the fun things, people that don't know, they're like, you know that guy?
And I'm like, yeah.
But it's a connection to life, where you're like, I'm lost on the road, and then you hear a friend on TV, and you're like, I'm back in, and this is the shit I like, and we're men.
And we're watching UFC, Conor McGregor is fucking losing that fight.
It looks like he's losing that fight, and the last minute, he comes in, and I've been cheering for him the whole fucking time, and everyone in Ohio hates this motherfucker, and I am cheering for him the whole time because he's a precious Irish saint, and the second he knocks him out or fucking takes him down or whatever, he ended it, shirt comes off, and I'm like...
There used to be a rule that we thought for the longest time with the Tempe Improv that you weren't allowed to drink on stage, but it turned out it was bullshit.
Dan Murr, he's dead, was decided for whatever reason that he was going to put up a fake sign that there's a fake state law that says you can't drink on stage.
And so we would just bring flasks.
When Brian and I were there, we went to like a drive-through booze place, which is hilarious.
Bought a flask and a bottle of Jack.
And then we're drinking on stage.
I was just adding, I was explaining that I was adding warm Diet Coke to my cold Diet Coke because I like it like a medium temperature.
So I have a flask of warm Diet Coke that I always keep with me.
They used to have it so you would buy your drink in one spot and your mixer in another spot.
Like if you wanted a Jack and Coke, they would pour the Jack Daniels in the glass in one spot and you'd have to go over and get the Coke in another spot.
Dude, you should have seen the look on my face as we're watching UFC in a Buffalo Wild Wings and the bartender says to me, the manager comes up.
I wish I knew where we were in Utah, because it's a smaller, it's not Provo, it's one of the smaller towns, so it's not like the big city, which I'm sure you're allowed to stand up with your beer in your hand at times.
Probably.
But he came up to me, I had gone to the bathroom with my beer in my hand.
Who leaves a beer on the fucking bar and walks to the bathroom?
If they say, hey, I've given you four, this is a 30 minute flight, I'm giving you four, you know, I think you've had a lot, then you just go, oh, I automatically, I'm like, I'm so sorry, totally fine, don't worry about it, and then I fucking white knuckle the rest of the flight, because I can't, because I get nervous flying.
I had a guy flying to South Africa telling me I've had a lot.
And I was like, I pulled him aside.
I was like, I'm totally sober right now.
But we need to figure out a way where I can drink the rest of this flight.
Because I will have panic.
Because I had 13 hours left.
And I was like, so you come up with the system, I'll agree with it.
And the guy looked at me very plainly.
He's like, I'll give you a beer every hour for the next 13 hours.
I'm 100% sure in the same way Doug Stanhope is who I go to when I have problems.
Like when Heath Ledger died, both Stanhope and I both were on the internet going like, hold on, how much Ambien did he have and how much Xanax did he have?
Because these are real, for people who take Xanax, you need to know.
But from what I understand...
Greg, I hate...
I don't even know how I want to talk about this because I like Greg a lot and I don't want to sound like a guy that's celebrating.
But I'll tell you what, the whole reason I don't fuck with Xanax at all is because of Greg.
Because from what I understand, he was coming off partying, he was in a hotel room, he wanted to sleep, he took Xanax, and with Xanax, sometimes when you use it, and I've used it a bunch in the past, You build up a tolerance, and then you stop using it, and it feels like shit when you stop using it.
Benzos are the worst.
They won't even admit you to rehab if you're on benzos.
Do you think you'd be happier just doing stand-up all the time, just killing it on the road?
Or would you be happier if you continue to do these giant workload schedule shows like 11 episodes here, 12 episodes there, 6 of this, 7 of that, on the road for 11 months?
Would you be more happy if you were doing stand-up, you think?
It's not hard to say because my heart is in stand-up.
It's always been in stand-up.
The only thing I'm proud of in my life is the fact...
That I am a stand-up comedian.
The fact that I can, and it doesn't happen often, but the fact that I can roll into the Comedy Cellar, and I'll know Jim, I'll know Bobby, I'll know all the guys there.
The fact that it's like a fraternity that you've earned that you can't get.
You can't, like, just your parents pay money and you join it.
I will say very candidly that having money is really nice when you have a family.
Traveling stinks, but like, man, I've gotten opportunities in my life this last six years that no one will ever get in their life.
Anthony Bourdain would tell you that, like, the same thing.
You just have these experiences.
Now, not even the ones on TV, but these great life experiences that, I mean, I'm a horrible person to be sitting next to with my wife at a party because someone will go, oh, I just did this.
And I have five experiences that are so much different than Cooler, insane, unbelievable than anyone's.
I go to this all the time.
You called me one morning and you said, what are you doing?
And I said, I'm riding a moped in Vietnam through rice paddies.
And you were like, are you fucking writing about this?
And I was just sitting in a rice paddy going like...
And I love that network, and I love the people that work in that network.
I always want to do that.
But I think you know this, and I know you know this, and I know that Bill Burr said the same thing to me, and Al Madrigal said the same thing to me, is that I've definitely unfocused on stand-up for the last year.
Last year, I've been touch-and-go.
I don't know.
I always...
I got the same shit that those star athlete quarterbacks like Michael Vick's brother had.
He had just a bunch of talent and a bunch of opportunity.
And then just was like, fuck it, I'll go pro.
And then didn't go pro.
You know?
I feel like that sometimes.
Where you're like, I got a lot of talent.
And I got a lot of ability.
And I can go around and fuck around on stage and have a good time.
I whored it out for like six years doing Fear Factor.
And I think that my stand-up got better when I stopped doing Fear Factor.
Pretty positively.
Absolutely.
If I go to, like, Shiny Happy Jihad, it was, like, one of my best things ever, and I did it, like, right when I quit, or right when it ended.
And then from Shiny Happy Jihad, Talking Monkeys in Space is probably my best one after that, and that was no fear factor at all, no TV at all, just doing the UFC and stand-up.
And then I honestly think, like, now I might be doing too many things.
With a podcast and then doing the UFC and doing stand-up might be too many.
I think podcast and stand-up is, like, the way to go.
I think those are just having less stuff.
The less you have to focus on, the more you can focus on those things.
Like if you want to go out to the Salton Sea and go visit that fucking weird guy's hill that he's painted and all these religious symbols and signs and crosses, you should be able to just do that.
Right, but you have to do it with a camera, and you have to be with these people, and Bert, let me get you makeup.
Bert, I'm going to put a microphone on you, and you're doing it for 12 hours a day, and then you're going out to eat in some strange hotel in Boise with your fucking crew.
You know, there's great things to that, no doubt about it.
But I think that if you ultimately want to do your best stand-up, You probably should do less of it, right?
Well, I'm in the middle of reading going clear, and when I say in the middle of it, I put it down, and I won't pick it up for a week or two, and then I pick it up for a few days, and I'll throw it down again.
I just get...
It's so bizarre that I'm worried that I'm gonna get infected by this dude's ridiculous ideas.
Yeah, and my mom, I remember they went to a party and the one story is that my dad told my mom, don't fucking talk to anybody because you will get convinced this shit's real.
But yeah, Leanne's been through the Scientology acting classes, and a lot of their shit makes sense.
She wanted you to watch her rehearse for her thing in an acting class.
And she made me come to her acting class once when they did this thing called private moments.
And this is what private moments are.
What a private moment is, you would go on stage and you would just do stuff.
Like they had like a little set so they had like a bed and they had some books and they had like a little fake kitchen area and you would just go on stage and pretend that you were just hanging out by yourself like maybe reading a book and and I I remember sitting there First of all, the relationship was a disaster from Jump, but she was hot.
It was fun.
But watching this whole thing go down, I was like, okay, do you understand what's happening here?
This is not acting.
You're not acting.
What this is, is they're giving you a little fix, okay?
You have this desire for attention, this overwhelming desire for attention.
And they say, hey, we don't even have anything for you to prepare, but you can be the person on stage for the next 10 minutes.
Everyone's going to look at you.
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Let's kill 15 minutes with people fucking twiddling their thumbs.
So, as an example, bars can't have smoking in them, and they're saying that they've lost a lot of money since that's happened.
A lot of smokers want to smoke in a bar, blah, blah, blah.
So he found like a loophole where you can make it a theater like a bar being a theater So he put up two seats sold like tickets so that you would sit down on these seats and just sit there and watch a bar for an hour That giving the bar being able to smoke cigarettes as if there were a play and it's just interesting like how he hacks normal Everyday things it's really funny But what's the one?
It's the older people in the company that don't technically get how people are using their content and finding their content and enjoying their content.
I know how I enjoy mine.
I sit online and I fucking watch it on YouTube.
And I go through YouTube, and I go into a spiral.
And next thing you know, I'm watching botflies getting extracted out of a guy's back.
Now I'm looking at ear cleaning.
Now I'm watching Opium Gym.
Like, that's how it goes.
But no one that's, like Leanne, my wife is 45. She hasn't used fucking YouTube.
She's never used YouTube in her life.
She tried to find a video the other day.
She's like, it's on Facebook.
I go, well Google the things you remember from it.
Google that, and those are the code keywords, and you'll find it.
She's like, no, it's not on Google.
It's on Facebook.
But that's who's running Comedy Central.
So when they go, we don't want any of our content on YouTube because it's a bunch of ad sales dollars that we're missing out on.
Maybe they're accurate in some extent, but I would argue that 300,000 people watch me talk about fighting a bear on Ari's, this is not happening now, on YouTube.
I would venture to say not one person woke up that morning after they saw that and went to ComedyCentral.com and then said, hey, check this out.
And I think you're right, that a lot of people need to understand that.
Having things on YouTube, it doesn't take money away from you.
It makes your show bigger.
You know, the more Ari has his content on YouTube, the more it's going to make that show bigger, the more Comedy Central is going to get more viewers, the more ad dollars they're going to make.
We've talked about this and touched on this at certain times, but the fact that we have free content out there, the fact that I fucking three, four years ago told a story on your podcast that changed the scope of my career, and I never make any money off that.
I don't make any money off the guys that have posted it.
I don't.
I don't give a fuck.
You think I look at Become My Minions is the guy's name.
You think I look at him and go, man, he's making ad dollars on this.
That guy was great enough to create a comic and add it to the story, and it got me people to come to my shows.
What's interesting to me is because you're very successful right now, but it seems like you look at what they're doing and it looks like more fun to you than what you're doing, or it looks like something more attractive to you than what you're doing.
Well, it becomes a real problem when you have a vision for a show, then a bunch of people come along, they have their own vision, and they try to get the greasy little fingers on your vision and change it and add their little jizz to the fucking soup.
You collaborate creatively when you do one of those things with people that aren't creative.
Like, they might be creative, but they're not stand-up comics.
So if they're telling a stand-up comic, like, you have a vision of what you want it to be, and they're telling you that you're wrong, you should do it a different way, that's going to be a disaster.
Every time.
I experienced that on The Man Show.
We got in the most fucking insane arguments over nonsense, where Doug would come into the room pulling his hair, and he'd be like, I can't fucking believe this is something we're arguing over.
Like, and I would go, what are they saying?
And he would tell me what they were saying.
Well, that can't be real.
That's really what it is.
One of them, I think I've told this before, but we had a game show called Make Me Hard, where we'd have a bunch of different things happen.
The guy had a box over his dick where the light would go on when he got a boner, so we'd have like midgets eating bananas, ding, ding, ding.
You know, it's really stupid, but they didn't, they wouldn't let us use hard.
We had to call it stiff.
A crying argument.
Like, crying.
Like, it's gone too far.
Like, what?
What is this?
When Joey Diaz, we had Joey Diaz introduce us.
And Joey Diaz came out naked with Timberlands on.
Let's get this party started!
That was the beginning of every episode.
That's what we wanted to do.
They were literally crying.
Executives.
Female executives.
Crying.
How was that man show?
How was that funny?
It's not funny.
Tears.
And I'm like, I can't even believe I'm having this conversation.
I go, how about we do this?
So we did two ways.
I go, we'll do the normal way first.
We'll have them introduce us, normal.
I go, and then we'll do it our way.
Joey will come out naked.
So we do the normal way.
Alright, we're gonna do a second take.
He fucking kicks the door open.
Let's get this party started!
They go apeshit.
People are falling out of their chairs.
It's hilarious.
You know, and he introduces us.
Doug Stanhope and Joe Rogan!
And the place goes apeshit.
The fucking room changes.
And I looked at the lady and went, see?
That's funny.
Like, don't tell me what's funny.
You don't think it's funny.
You want everything to be alt-clever, like it would work really great at the UCB and everybody would golf clap.
That's bullshit.
You want props for putting together a really smart and diverse show.
Like, that's not what we're here to do.
We're here to just make the shit that we think is going to be the funniest.
Dude, we had this conversation the other day, but the...
Creating your own content, putting your own content out there, and making your own content, despite what you may believe your content is.
I woke up this morning, I got a tweet from some guy, and he was like, hey man, I haven't had a BirdCast in a week, like, what's going on?
And I was like, nah, fuck it, and I hit, like, you know, I'll get on it, I'm doing Rogan today, enjoy that.
And then all of a sudden I was like, fuck it, man, I can get up and go to the Man Cave and bang out a podcast, get up, fucking start talking, Incorporate my vlog go out get the girls donuts podcast the whole thing talk to people at yum yums and it's like You're creating your own content is is being the owner of your own shit is where the future is It is but there are places that will let you do your thing and that's where Netflix is right now Yeah, bill bird just he has a show coming out December 18th.
How soon until they get so recognized that fucking 2020 does a piece on Netflix taking over public television or regular television and then execs start flooding into Netflix and Netflix becomes that?
I had a friend who did a sitcom and he had a girlfriend on a sitcom that was supposed to be his girlfriend and he was like, I fucking hate her.
She's such a cunt.
And he didn't know what to do.
Fortunately, it didn't last, but They have issues like that.
And you could run into issues like that.
And also people change with success.
Like the show starts getting really good and then they want a lot of money.
I've heard those crazy stories of people coming in to renegotiate and plopping their feet up on the executives' desks and just letting them know they're the center of the show.
I wasn't a guy that was into Seinfeld for whatever reason.
I never watched that show.
I only watched a couple episodes of it ever.
It was a good show.
It's just there was only so many things you can watch, you know, and you get when you have South Park or Married with Children or whatever the fuck it is on your plate that you watch a lot of, you can only watch so many shows.
For whatever reason, Seinfeld wasn't the show that I watched all the time, although the ones that I did watch were always really hilarious.
But I got to see him do stand-up at the store and he was fucking awful.
It was like a guy who had nothing prepared and just went up there with like a reputation and some pratfalls and it didn't make any sense.
Like it wasn't like he was trying to work out some bits.
Like you'll see a guy come in and try to work out some shit.
Like even like a famous person will come in like a Paul Reiser or someone like that will come into a club and they'll try to work out some shit.
So Brent Ernst came over to the store, because I got there at the Comedy Store right after he had gone wacky at the Comedy Store, and there was a buzz around, and Brian had called me up, and a bunch of other people were talking about how fucking coked up he was.
And so then he went down to the Laugh Factory and had his meltdown, and Brent Ernst was there and saw it, and he came back to the store, and he's like, You know how Brent talks.
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He's like, yo, you ain't gonna believe how fucking crazy Kramer got at the laughing.
And then Monday, it hit, and it was the first instance of a video of someone being captured doing something crazy like that, and then putting it on the internet, and it just ruining that person.
No, but right there, to whittle it down to this, what is the difference then between Daniel Tosh and Tracy Morgan and Patton Oswalt acknowledging they're getting fucking blogged about versus Michael Kramer?
Patton Oswalt, uh, some woman was videotaping him and he yelled at her at the whatchamacallit and, uh, and he said shut up and then he kicked her out and he was a dick to her and then she had to leave and then he had to just someone google Patton Oswalt.
Nah, I've successfully ignored it for quite a while, and I actually had a doctor say that he's ignored his for 30 years, and then I wrote back, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
Yeah, I mean, it would seem to me that that horse could, like, take me, well, I'm only 200, but if I was 220, I would think a horse could take me, no problem.
And, you know, it's one of those things that I do not know if there's a fucking solution for.
It's one of those weird things where you look at the amount of guns that exist, you look at the amount of people that there are, The amount of disenfranchised people with mental illnesses, the amount of people that are religious fanatics, the amount of people that are just fucking batshit crazy.
And when you deal with 350 million people, which is I think what the United States is now, somewhere between 300 and 350?
You're gonna have a certain amount of nutty fucking people, man.
There's almost no avoiding it.
There's so much pressure and stress and life is difficult for you.
You're a successful guy with three TV shows and you're talking about how much you have to drink to be on a plane.
You're talking about anxiety that you get in a hotel room and you're a successful stand-up comedian and a television host of three fucking shows.
Your life is ballin'.
You got a beautiful wife.
You have a great family.
You're hilarious.
You're a good guy.
It's like everything is in place and you still freak out.
Imagine some guy who's married to some monster, who works for a tyrant, who lives in a shithole, Who's every day just looking at his crime and flat tires and stealing and breaking and entering.
And that's his life every day, all day, constantly.
And there's a lot of people like that out there, man.
There's a lot of people that don't get any love.
They have no place in their life where it feels like they're making a connection.
They've missed.
They've slammed into walls at every turn.
They have a dumb job they don't give a fuck about that a robot can do.
They're idiots.
And they just realize it, and they're fucking horrified.
And they're angry, and their programming from birth to today has been nothing but dog shit by shitty parents and shitty circumstances and shitty genetics, shitty neighborhoods, shitty life experiences, bullying, rape, molestation, alcoholism, racism, constantly over and over and over and over and over and over.
And they somehow survive to get to the point where they get their hands on a gun.
That's what we're dealing with.
That's what we're dealing with.
What we're dealing with is humans freaking out and finding a way to kill other humans.
To focus on the mechanism in which they're doing that with, we're missing a giant piece of the puzzle.
There's too many fucking guns, for sure.
It's too easy to get a gun, for sure.
You should have...
Look, I have guns.
You should have to take tests, okay?
There should have to be some very stringent requirements on your capabilities.
We should know exactly how you...
Do you know where the safety is?
Do you know what's a safe way to point the gun?
Do you know how to load it correctly?
Do you know how to clean it?
Do you clean it?
You just have this ultimate weapon of destruction, and you don't have to have any knowledge of how to use it at all.
But to have a car, you have to show that you can turn, you can hit the brakes, you can hit the blinkers.
You have to show all this competency.
You have to show all this knowledge of all the laws and all the rules.
You don't need to show none of that thing to get a gun.
All you have to do is just not be a criminal.
That's all you have to do.
Don't be a criminal.
Are you a criminal?
We're gonna do a little check on you, Mr. Kreischer.
Oh, you're not a criminal?
Well, here's your gun.
Okay, question number two.
Are you an idiot?
Are you?
And who's to decide?
Who's to decide?
Who the fuck are you?
Because I'm an idiot to a lot of people.
I would say a lot of people are idiots.
And they would be idiots to me.
And to them, there'd be some people that they know that would be stupid as fuck.
Well, there's levels of people.
You know?
You and I are not at the top.
We're just not.
There's people out there that invented Wi-Fi and they're using lasers to give us fucking satellite communication and all the crazy shit that you and I know of that we can never invent on our own.
There's some people out there way fucking smarter than us, dude, and they're making that shit.
I think what they gotta look out for is young, radicalized, single men.
That's what the entirety of this movement seems to be is these radicalized younger men like that Jihadi John guy was like a former rapper from England and he joined ISIS. There's a lot of people that are joining this.
It's very strange, dude.
It's very strange.
Like, girls are joining and they're getting killed.
You know, one of the girls recently got beaten to death and another one got murdered.
Just think about whatever it is, the energy and the influence that leads someone to go shooting a bunch of random people.
I think one of the problems with labeling things, when we start saying, oh, this was a mass shooting, this was a religious killing, this was a jihadi cell, this was a...
We give it all these titles and names, but just separate yourself from culture, like pretend you're an alien or something, and you're looking at this.
You're looking at this from afar, and you're just looking at this as some sort of an equation or something like that.
You're watching what's going down.
Like, what is it?
What's going down?
What is it that these things down here can convince themselves of by manipulation of communication?
So they've got a way to talk to each other.
They've got a way to relay ideas, and they've got a way to reinforce opinions and ideas that are thousands of years old.
And they've got a way that it's so strong That it can make some of them explode and just go around, kill random people, and think somehow or another they're doing it for the greater good.
So through this ancient ideology, whatever it is, call it whatever you want, but through this influence by some people's minds that's projected somehow or another into another person's mind, And it convinces that person to kill random people.
Forget about what you call it.
Forget about whether it's Islam or Christianity or Mormonism or Scientology.
Forget the names.
Forget it.
Forget even the language that it's been spoken in.
Look at it in terms of what are the noises that are made by the humans that create the reaction?
And what are those noises, what are those words, what are those written things represent?
They represent almost like a living idea.
A living idea that wants to express itself.
Like through the filter of the language and the culture, like what is it?
What is it that causes something to want to get people To go after people that are opposed to this idea or that have differing ideas and kill them!
It's a civilization that emerged or a culture that emerged out of a break from an old culture.
They kind of had a reset and they started fresh.
The people that are stuck in these spots that are super ancient, you're dealing with this pattern repeating itself over and over again and it's hard to break.
Well, I think that it's just, it's very difficult to break out of the hive.
If you're in a hive mind of people that are essentially thinking the same way they did when Alexander the Great was around, it's hard.
Like, Afghanistan's a perfect example.
There's really only one city.
I mean, I don't know much about Afghanistan, honestly, because I haven't been there.
But I've talked to many people that have been there, soldiers that have fought there, and I've absorbed as much as I could what they were trying to say and trying to figure it out, but essentially what it seems like.
Is you have one city, and then you have these strange areas that are controlled by warlords, like a lot of them.
Well, you know, John McCain, I remember this, was trying to impart that on Barack Obama when they were debating, when they were running for president, McCain and Sarah Palin.
And he said the exact same words that I just said.
Like, that's where I got it from him initially until I started looking into it and talking to these guys that went over there.
They said it's like the same as when Alexander the Great was around.
And that's what McCain said.
He said to Obama, like, this is, you don't understand Afghanistan.
You're saying we're just going to send troops in there?
You can't just do that.
Like, this is like the Rocky Mountains.
I mean, it's fucking crazy.
It's all mountains.
These guys are living out there in caves.
I mean, these Taliban guys are living in caves.
You got these dudes that are warlords, and they got like 20 wives, and they're giving them Viagra to get them to talk.
They give these guys Viagra to rat on the Taliban.
Afghan chieftain looked older than his 60-odd years and his bearded face bore the creases of a man burdened with the duties as tribal patriarch and husband to four younger women.
So he gave me the high-end versions of them, and I took them, and being used to only the kinds that you get at the store, they're really like bitch versions of what you can get at 7-Eleven for $6.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, like, I appreciate the results.
Like, I think it sounds like you're right, but it would be a good idea to get that stuff tested, to find out exactly what's in it, because I guarantee you they're not consistent.
I mean, if you're just getting this random shit from who knows where, Malaysian fake Viagra.
And you can actually buy a lot of ingredients on Amazon and stuff like that that will give you the same results as a boner pill that are healthy and stuff like that as zinc.
What's crazy is it's banned in the Olympics as a performance-enhancing drug because it has a beneficial effect on athletic performance, a measurable effect on athletic performance.
And it has something to do, I might butcher this, but with your body's production of nitric oxide, I think that's what it is, that stuff that's in like NO2 max and all these pump things.
That stuff apparently has a beneficial effect on muscle and athletic performance, that nitric oxide stuff.
See, I like it, like, at massage parlors, because you usually are too nervous, like, where the girl's, like, working, and you can't get hard without touching yourself.
Here's the thing about encouraging people to take those things.
You don't know who's going to make the next batch.
This is the reality of having supplements that aren't really examined.
You can just sell them.
The worst thing that happens is someone catches the fact that you have a prescription drug in there, like a Cialis or something like that.
This is according to Aubrey.
I asked him about it, and he understands the rules on things like this.
He said that what they do is they essentially just fine you and these people reopen under a different name and they just go right back at it.
Because they develop a reputation where people like Brian know that they go and there's a little thing with the fucking lighters and the breath mints and the boner pills.
They're right there.
Those things work.
That's why they're selling them.
They're not placebos.
They fucking work.
And it's easy to get that stuff from China or wherever the fuck they get it from.
When he got popped for steroids, he wasn't taking steroids.
He was taking a Viagra that was like from China.
And when they had made this stuff in the laboratory, it was somehow or another contaminated by steroids.
And he had to admit this.
I know this from people in his camp.
They were talking about this.
This isn't a made-up story.
It's embarrassing, and it's crazy, but it's totally true.
When you buy stuff from these random companies in China, There are some that do an awesome job of making sure that all of the ingredients and whatever you're buying from them are pure.
But there's some that just, they don't bother to clean out the machinery.
So like if you have a vitamin B12, and right before you had the vitamin B12 order, they had some other stuff in there, some vitamin C or whatever, it could easily get mixed up in to a measurable amount.
And when you looked at Anderson's results, like, he tested positive before the fight, like, outside of training, and then he tested negative, like, I think at the weigh-ins, and then positive or...
Something along those lines.
Then positive after the fight.
It didn't make any sense.
And they were trying to figure out, how is this happening?
This doesn't make any sense.
The steroids should stay in your system for a longer period of time.
It doesn't make any sense that they would be there at one time, not be there, and another time, what was the variable?
And then Anderson had to, like, come out and have, like, a press conference and said that I took this weird Viagra shit.
And that's why the tests were so odd.
What a weird world it is.
The world of, like, trying to figure out what you can get away with and what you can't get away with to beat someone's ass better.
As you're telling the story, I couldn't read your shirt, and I went, I don't know if you posted it, but Roy Jones Jr. is easily, in my opinion, watching him fight the most beautiful fighter that ever lived.
Fucking incredible and in a different way I mean Tyson was incredible in like a violent storm and Roy Jones jr. Was just a virtuoso who could do shit that nobody else could do and reinvented how to engage Roy Jones jr. You know barely through jabs Roy Jones would throw a lead left hook that was as fast as anybody else's jab and he would crack dudes with that shit off the back leg And he would hit dudes and you would see their reaction to the speed of Roy's punches.
And they'd be like, oh my god.
When they realized what a different level he was on.
Like one of my favorite Roy Jones Jr. fights was Roy Jones Jr. vs.
Vinny Pacienza.
Vinny Pacienza.
Yeah, he was going way up in his weight class.
I mean, Vinny was a much smaller guy, and he got real big and juiced up.
Like, you can say that Bernard Hopkins might have been more fundamentally sound, or Julio Cesar Chavez might have had, like, a more gritty, in-your-face game, because Roy would kind of hang on the outside and pick his shots and decide what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it.
But when it comes to like movement...
The best ever.
Nobody moved like that guy.
Nobody moved like that guy.
Roy Jones Jr., there's a video of him.
This guy throws a punch and he counters with a right-left, like a straight-right, oh no, it was a left hook and a right hand, like, ba-bap!
And he counters with it so fast, like you can't even believe it's real.
And it's just like one of those little quick Vine clips, and you just watch him go ba-bap!
And the guy's, like, central nervous system just shut off.
There was a time for a few years where he was just an unstoppable force.
Dropped his hands, and then Tony dropped his hands, like, in response, like, and then Roy leaps in with a left cook, cracks him right in the chin, and drops him.
And I was like, just like, like, don't fucking do what I'm doing, bitch!
Like, he was just on such a different level.
How's Roy...
And Vinny Pazienza was a tough guy.
He knocked out my friend Dana Rosenblatt, who was a guy that I used to train with back in the day in Boston under Joe Lake.
He was a boxing coach that I knew from back then.
I was a big fan of Vinny Pazienza.
He's tough as shit.
But he was really, like, way out of his weight class.
Roy was so much bigger than him, so that Vinny, even though he was a big guy because he had all that muscle on him, his actual frame was nowhere near the frame of Roy's.
He was more like a guy, he fought a lot of really tough guys at lower weight class too, but you look at him there, he looks almost like a bodybuilder.
And it was this wild, I believe it was England, wild, crazy-ass fight.
And Nigel Benn went through the ropes in the first round, and Gerald McClellan was just putting it on him.
And then later in the fight, something happened.
There was like a clash of heads, and then Gerald McClellan went down to one knee, and then he quit the fight.
And they were like, we can't believe this, the fight's over.
And then he collapsed in his corner.
And he had some serious brain-bleeding, man.
And went to the hospital, and they did their best to alleviate it, but to this day, he's blind, he can't walk, he's in a wheelchair, he's all fucked up, he has a very, very short memory of life, you know, of who he was, and his capacity's been like, radically diminished.
But he was the guy that people were saying, one day Roy Jones Jr. and Gerald McClellan are going to fight, and it's going to be crazy, because Gerald was a monster.
Gerald was a monster.
And now, you know, that Gerald got fucked up, I think it affected Roy Jones.
I think it affected him, like, psychologically, where he realized, like, hey, that could happen to that guy.
See, the problem with sparring all the time is you get them and you don't know if you got them or not because you're not going to a doctor.
So there was nights where I would just lay in bed and my head would be throbbing, you know, and just me and some other meathead beating the fuck out of each other in the gym just doing boxing sparring or kickboxing sparring.
I just got back from Columbus, Ohio, and you're not allowed to be naked there, and so all the girls had pasties, but they would have, like, darker nipple-looking pasties, so it looked like they all just had really big areola, dark areola nipples.