Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan mock commercialized podcasts, critiquing filler phrases like "you know what I’m saying" while dissecting leg locks in MMA—from Cro Cop’s elbows to Vitor Belfort’s TRT-enhanced dominance. Bravo links 9/11 skepticism to The Empire Unmasked documentary and government cover-ups, citing Smedley Butler’s 1934 letter on corporate-fascist plots. They debate cannabis prohibition, Hearst’s media manipulation, and the Kennedys’ ties to organized crime, then pivot to ayahuasca’s legality in Brazil and MMA’s wild past—chandeliers, crushed testicles, and "Thug Jitsu." Concluding with the EBI pay-per-view tournament on December 13th, they speculate on psychedelics’ role in trauma recovery, framing modern distrust of institutions as a cultural shift. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, you know, a lot of times we haven't seen each other in like a week or two and we've got a bunch of crazy shit to say to each other and you just start...
And then by the time the podcast starts, so, what's up, man?
The only time is when I'm going through Mastering the System, my tutorial, I do sit there and I am interested in how I'm teaching and what I said and how I could have made the point clearer in my teaching.
That's the only time, but when it's a podcast and I'm not talking about jiu-jitsu and I'm just talking about like just bullshit.
It's good to hear though, but for the same reason like you realize why you're annoying to you like I've found things that I didn't know I did like little little ticks little weird things like people do like a big one is saying like People, like, there's, like, Tom Segura, I love him to death.
That motherfucker out-likes me.
He hurts me sometimes with the likes.
Like, there's, like, a guy we like.
If you got, like, a guy like, and there's, like, a way like.
It seems like it's getting crazier, too, with the advent.
Like, the more attention that people are putting on leg locks these days, it seems like I'm watching jiu-jitsu, and I'm like, man, I'm not...
You know, I see transitions on the ground that I understand, but when I see some leg lock transitions, I'm like, I have no idea where these guys are going.
Yeah, you just got to get it broken down to you in a system.
It's just like the rubber guard.
You have 5th degree, 6th degree, 8th degree black belts out there in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and they've never really looked into the rubber guard at all, and they think, oh...
They just throwing their legs up and they're grabbing their leg and then there's an arm bar or a triangle and a guy slip out and then they're just grabbing their ankles.
They don't realize how precise and microscopic it is.
And that's what I used to think of leg locks.
I thought leg locks where you just jump on legs.
I'm a black belt and I'm still thinking this until about a year ago.
I thought dudes just jumping on, you get that outside one or you get that inside one.
I was pretty good at a heel hook coming off being mounted.
But I didn't spend a lot of time with heel hooks.
It just seemed like, ooh, I don't want to get my MMA fighters.
I want to set a good MMA example.
Because I'm not going to be the one going in the cage.
So if I'm trying to teach them this shit, I better be doing this shit.
So I thought it's not a good idea to always go for leg locks.
If you're going to do MMA, it's...
It's a great second or third option, last resort.
Nothing's working.
You can't take the guy down.
You tried and maybe you almost got him down.
You almost passed the guard.
The guy's a beast.
It's not working.
Nothing's working.
He's throwing you around.
Nothing's working.
It's a third round.
You might tell this guy, if this guy...
In the gym was really good at leg locks.
This is where you tell him, let's fucking go after his legs.
The chokes aren't working.
We're not getting anywhere near his neck.
You got one more round.
Thank God that you can actually pull this off because you're really good at leg locks.
And when you say Alan Belcher, we should explain what you mean.
Like when he fought Paul Hares, Paul Hares is like the best leg locker in MMA. Alan Belcher thought long and hard about this and worked a lot on the strategy and did a lot of leg lock defense.
But Alan Belcher, three years ago, or two years ago, whenever that fight was, it was probably at least three years ago when that happened, when his fight with Rusamar Paharis, he flew both of them in, and he was already known as a really good leg locker.
Yeah.
He's yoked and shitty.
He looks like a mini little pohars, a little smaller.
And Alan Belcher said Dean Lister and Davi Ramos just wrecked him with legs for a month straight.
Just wrecked him.
And he just forced him, forced him to learn little by little.
You find your safe spots.
You figure out where you're safe.
And maybe you're not getting out or escaping, but let's figure out where we could stay safe.
And then we'll think about the escape later, you know?
And then you get really good at, boom, at staying at that safe, just going right through that safe zone and right to the escapes because, you know, you've done it so much the slow way.
Then it starts blending little by little, boom.
But anyways...
Alan Belcher eventually learned how to deal with leg locks.
He would escape and then Russo Morparis has this elaborate system.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
You have to spend a lot of time there and really analyze the possibilities and all the angles.
When you're attacking legs, it really is an entirely different system.
Just legs.
But we're also learning...
That it's not a be-all end-all, especially in MMA. Paul Harris has been jacked a couple times, and even the best guy right now, Eddie Cummings, when he goes in and he competes, he's tapping everybody with heel hooks.
But he needs two or three tries at those legs.
Guy's gonna defend the first time.
It's always the same as matches.
He'll get guys really quick, too.
30 seconds, 12 seconds, boom.
He just jumps on legs, and he's like, dudes are like, oh, shit.
You know, he has...
But generally, against the top guy, the guy's gonna pull out of his shit like two or three times.
Eddie might just let him.
Let him think that, oh, look, I can't control him.
And then just setting him up.
Just playing with him.
Letting him go.
And then coming back.
Just knowing that he's gonna get those legs eventually.
And then, but in MMA... Man, you gotta go in there.
It better work that first fucking time.
Because if that guy finds a little safe zone, and he has a safe zone where he can punch you, it could be lights out.
Risky.
Very dangerous.
So, regardless of how sophisticated and awesome leg locks are overall right now in grappling, still in MMA, they're still dangerous, but...
It's a very important secret weapon when, you know, the safer stuff, like, you know, taking him down and passing his guard and mounting him and getting his back and nice and safe.
You're not going to reverse shit on me.
You can't punch me.
You can't punch me.
I'm all over you.
Boom, bam, bam, nice and safe and dominating.
You know, it's always a...
A better idea to try to do that first.
If you can do that, why would you give him a chance at your face while you're going for leg locks?
You might get it, but you're giving him a shot.
Man, all he's got to do is be a little bit good at defending a little bit.
Can't forget that, because Krokop might be the only guy we've seen do it like that, do it that quickly and devastatingly, but that means it's possible.
Like, just because you're in someone's guard, that shit isn't safe, you know?
Like, Tito never had the kind of...
The kind of speed and precision as a striker that Krokop has.
So Krokop's elbows, even his short elbows, are just so devastating.
But Tito used to fuck guys up from inside their guard.
A lot of guys, they do tough at a weight class above, I think, because if you're going to make the extreme weight cut that a lot of guys make, you're going to need six to eight weeks to Whereas if you're on tough, you've got to do it multiple times over the course of six weeks.
And for a lot of dudes, almost everybody started out a higher weight class.
Michael Bisping, even though he competed at 205 and beat a lot of guys at 205, he fought on the Ultimate Fighter at 205. 185 was a better weight class for him.
Same with Kelvin.
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Kelvin won it at 185, but he's better at 170. It's almost like if you're going to do the Ultimate Fighter, do your walk-around weight.
I just think when you're on that show and you're going to do that several times over six weeks, and then on top of that, it's the nerves and all the TV cameras, your first experience.
You're better off just not doing anything that's going to drain you.
And then Conor would have to agree to fight him at a catchweight.
It'll end up being, Conor will go, let's meet at 180. If you can get down to 180 or 185. He can't get down to 180. Or maybe Conor just says, fuck it, we're going to fight free weight.
Well, that was one of the things Robin Williams was saying.
Rob Williams was saying before he died that it was really getting really hard for him because the only things that he was being offered that were interesting at all were like scale or sometimes not even scale.
He's the one that does all the work with traumatic brain injury patients.
And he said that when people go through any type of a giant surgery like that, like heart surgery, where you have to be under for a long period of time, a lot of times your hormonal system is devastated after that.
Your body's like really fucked up.
And it can send you into a depression.
Like the recovery from a major...
Like heart surgery, like what he had done, is apparently like it's a devastating thing on your body.
It takes a long time to recover from.
And in that recovery process, he thinks that a lot of patients suffer from massive depression.
And there's like a correlation between suicide attempts post-surgery that he thinks possibly could be attributed to this devastating effect that being under for a long period of times and then the trauma of the surgery Can have on you.
So he had a lot going that was wrong before he killed himself.
But I'm guessing that when you're going through something like that and you're about to die and going through some major surgery, your body's like, we're not thinking about being happy at all right now.
We're thinking about being alive so it stops all serotonin production just to keep you alive.
And when you recover, Your shit is so depleted that maybe that's why you're depressed.
One of the reasons why they would prescribe steroids after surgery is they would prescribe it, especially to athletes when they get injured, not just to make them recover quickly, but because during that recovery process, your body is very weak.
When you have some major shit going on with your body, you have some major shit fixed, like for the X amount of weeks afterwards, depending upon how old you are and how healthy you are, you feel wrecked.
You just feel wrecked.
You're just like, ugh.
Because your body's like, danger!
Danger!
Resources!
Dude, we got screws in our fucking knee.
There's an incision.
There's stitches.
There's screws in the patella and in the bottom.
This is crazy.
He cut off a piece of our patella tendon and stuffed it inside where the ACL used to be.
There's no ACL. All this inflammation.
Like your body's on just like crash alert.
Your body knows something, some pretty devastating, severe shit has happened to it.
So I think depending upon how healthy you are, it can be rough times afterwards.
And I think for an older dude like him, who already has these physical issues, I don't know if Parkinson's happened before or if he had had the symptoms.
California actually just passed a law for assisted suicide, which is going to be interesting.
I don't know the particular details of the law, but when people are terminally ill, like if you're dying of cancer or something like that, you're just in agony every day.
Now, finally, you can end your own life, and you can have doctor-assisted suicide.
They've been doing it to people, either on the sneak tip, or people have had to go to states where it's legal.
Grandpa's got to just keep shitting his pants and throwing up and falling down and breaking all his bones and then stitch them back together again and give him some pills.
If grandpa was a dog, you would have put grandpa out a long time ago.
You know?
If grandpa says, look, I'm ready to go...
You bring in the doctor.
The doctor, are you of sound mind?
Yes.
I'm 95 years old.
I've had a great life.
I have a wonderful family around.
I'd like them to be around when I pass.
And that's it.
And you go.
Which is probably a good way to go, man.
It's probably a good way to go.
I think the idea that you're supposed to suffer and make it to the end because it's natural.
Well, that's not how we treat our cats.
You know, if your cat is in fucking agony, man, you put your cat down.
Your dog gets hit by a car and he's not going to make it.
He's just howling.
You put your dog down.
This idea that people have to make it to some fucking finish line.
My boss, when I was starting out doing stand-up comedy, I stayed friends with him for the past 26 years.
His name is Dave Dolan.
He was a private investigator and he needed a driver because he lost his license with a DUI. And he said, fuck it, I'm quitting drinking, that's it, but I need a driver, because he still had to work.
So he put an ad out, and the want ads, for a private investigator's assistant.
And I answered the ad, and I met this dude, and he was fucking hilarious.
It was mostly insurance cases.
Occasionally, it would be like a guy who thinks his wife's cheating on him, but most of it was insurance cases, where people would pretend to be injured, and they would get another job, like working for cash, under the table, and you'd catch them.
Because the insurance company was...
Paying them millions of dollars or whatever they were paying them, and then they would go get another job.
Probably not millions, you know.
Maybe they were suing, whatever it was.
Most of these people, they would get up early in the morning and go work other jobs, so we would just wait.
He was one of those guys that women could never, ever get him to change.
It was impossible.
There was no, like, what should I do?
Man, she wants me to change.
She wants me to change the way I'm dressing.
She wants me to move.
Into some new neighborhood.
She wants me to quit my job.
Maybe I'm going to convert and become Jewish.
There was none of that in that dude.
None.
From the moment I met him, he was like, Fuck that!
You do that, that's the beginning of the end, pal.
Listen, that's how they get you.
And he would always just be laughing.
I don't believe he was ever married.
He might have been.
But even if he was, I'm sure that chick had zero control over that guy.
That guy was crazy.
He was hilarious.
He was a guy that was meant to be a comedian that never became a comedian.
A hundred percent.
He could have been a world-class comedian.
He was fucking funny.
And he was insightful.
And his cousin actually owned the Comedy Connection.
His cousin was Bill Downs, who was one of the owners of the Comedy Connection.
So I didn't even know this when I started working for him.
And he's asking me, you know, what do you do?
And I told him the whole deal.
And he was like, my cousin's Billy Downs.
I'm like, I do open mic nights there.
He's like, no shit.
And so he...
Easily.
Like if he just decided to go and do it.
He just never did it.
He easily could have been a comedian.
He was fucking hilarious.
And we would do these things.
We would show up at people's houses.
He would have like a list of license plates.
And on one of those license plates would be the license plate of the person that we're looking at.
The other ones would be scratched out.
And maybe a couple more.
You'd just write a few in and get to this one.
And he would say, listen, my girl was in a hit-and-run accident, and this guy, he took off, but someone got the plate, and they didn't get it all, but they got this amount of it.
And the guy would go, well, that definitely wasn't me.
Hey, wow, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Is she okay?
They go, well, she's going to be all right, but she's got a bulging disc in her L7, which is exactly what this guy's injury was.
And the person would go, that's crazy.
I have that same injury.
Oh, no kidding, huh?
Well, you're getting the compensation?
And the guy would go, yeah, you're getting paid?
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's great.
And I'm also working under another name.
They would just tell you.
This woman told us that very story.
She told us she was working under her maiden name.
Then she had us inside for coffee.
This is how crazy people were in 1988. They have you in their fucking house for coffee.
And then what usually would happen, I believe, the way they would work is the insurance company would threaten the person and would say they're going to have them arrested for fraud.
And then the person would either settle or they would maybe have to pay some of the money back.
The insurance company just knew they were being scammed.
Last time I was in Boston just a few months ago, and I'm going back to Boston in January, and I was going to get him tickets to the fights, and I was hoping to have some dinner with him or something, hang out with him.
But we stayed friends.
We stayed friends all this time.
He was a good dude, man.
Stayed being a private investigator.
Every now and then he would call me up with some crazy fucking story.
One of them was this guy whose girlfriend was getting fucked by this bodybuilder.
She was meeting this gorilla who was just ragdolling her.
Just fucking savage fucking her.
And this guy kept wanting to get her followed.
The guy was a real nerdy guy.
He's a computer guy.
And his girlfriend was just getting mauled all the time by this dude.
And he suspected it, so he hired us a private investigator.
And then Dave was like, dude, I can't keep taking pictures of your girl getting fucked by this giant guy.
It's starting to get creepy.
Okay?
So we're done here.
But him telling him, this guy's like, oh, go follow her tomorrow.
Follow her tomorrow?
Are you looking at the pictures I'm looking at?
Because he would, like, take pictures of this guy just stuffing her.
I'm sure there's someone who the husband has to suck the guy's dick.
Like maybe the wife fucks the hu- Maybe the husband has to sit there.
This is the ultimate cuckold.
The husband has to sit there while this giant fucking super athlete fucks his girl and then when the guy comes, he comes in the husband's mouth.
It's the ultimate one.
It's the only time the husband sucks the guy's dick, but Azzy, get over here, get your head over here!
He puts the guy's head right down on the wife's stomach while he's just fucking plowing it, and then he pulls it out and stuffs it in the dude's mouth.
Right now, someone's writing this down, and they're making this video.
Well, I've heard speculation that the way they did it, they made the girl's lip like that so that she wouldn't be attractive to slaves, to slavers, to people that were trying to get slaves.
Don't a lot of people that have a lot of metal in their face and shit, and a lot of people have crazy piercings in their cheeks and their nose and their lips, don't people usually say that that's a sign, and this is total bro psychology, right?
But that that's a sign of people that have been abused?
Isn't that usually a sign of people that have had something bad happen to them?
Maybe like back in olden times, before there was mental institutions, like the crazy people of the village, the big cities, like in Rome, all the crazy people, they just went out to the fucking jungle and started their own little culture, and some of them were fucking nuts.
We've developed a correlation between people that like girls with face tattoos or five eyebrow rings and a nose ring and two lip rings and a tongue ring.
Like for me, growing up with long hair, that was a I thought when I was growing up, my dad was never around and my stepdad didn't give a shit.
I thought, that doesn't affect me.
I'm too strong.
I'm 12, 13. I'm 15, 16. I'm always thinking that never affected me.
I didn't need a fucking dad.
It was always that way.
That didn't affect me.
But when I look back at the pictures of my big Mexican family, there's all these normal looking people.
And then there's the dude at the wedding with the long hair who's pissed off that he's there and not hanging out with his friends.
It was always me, pissed off.
Pictures just like this.
It was normal for me to be at the wedding, at the quinceanera, at the big whatever shindig, just pissed off that I'm not with my friends and playing music and listening to Slayer and shit.
And I thought I wasn't affected.
I was so affected.
I was a drummer in speed metal bands writing satanic lyrics.
Every kid that doesn't get paid attention to, it's a core component of being a human being.
Like food, like water, like...
Being out in the sun, all those things are important for the development of a human being.
Attention and love from your family is what makes you a loving person.
You become loving when you're loved.
When you're not loved, you turn inward, you get angry, you get aggressive.
That's what happens to people.
It's natural.
When you find people that are abused, a lot of times those people wind up being abusive themselves.
They lash out.
I wonder if that is what happened with the Suri women, that they were being taken as slaves, and so they just started doing fucked up shit to their face to make themselves unattractive.
And when you see really fucked up people, really crazy out there people, a lot of times that's what they're reacting to.
Whatever kind of abuse it was, whether it was sexual abuse, whether it was violence, whether it was abandonment, whatever it is, whatever pain and hurting...
Made them try to become something different.
Try to seek out others like her or like him.
That's what people do when they form these...
It's like when you're talking about being at the wedding and wanting to be with your friends.
I remember that exact same feeling.
I only felt normal when I was with my friends.
That's it.
Every time else I was like, oh my god, I can't be here.
I can't do this.
I can't do this.
I don't want to do this.
I just got to go to my friends and everybody will relax together.
We'll be able to talk and laugh and fuck off.
That was like always the appeal of hanging out at the pool hall when I was young.
When I started hanging out at this place called Executive Billiards in White Plains with my friend Johnny that died from drugs.
That place was just, we were all misfits.
It was like how the comedy store is.
Mitzi Shore actually calls the comedy store the island of misfit toys.
That's like her nickname for it.
Because all these weirdos come from all over the world.
But they all, they go there and they realize when they're there, like...
Back then, when I look at movies from the 80s, in those movies, you're looking at people that are not connected.
They don't have that internet phone that we got.
You know what I mean?
It's like, that life, everyone is disconnected.
The only thing that we were connected to was...
TV and radio, the big networks.
That's the only way we can connect.
And, you know, people say that we're more connected now than ever.
We are in a lot of ways, but in some ways, because we weren't individually connected, and there was only one source, NBC, CBS, ABC, that actually connected everybody.
And there's everyone listening to the radio and And the radio stations were creating stars and everybody saw different strokes.
You went to school and everyone saw 8.30 Friday night on NBC. Everyone knew these were special spots.
That's how everyone got connected in these special Eight o'clock on Thursday, cheers and shit.
Everyone got, they were so connected, way more connected.
Now, people aren't on those, like the radio doesn't have that much power.
So everyone is like less, more connected to their niche.
But there's shit that's huge out there like this.
I was driving down the street and I saw this billboard in downtown LA. It's King Daddy.
King Daddy's a white guy, or apparently he's Latin, but he looks like a white guy, like Vanilla Ice, and says King Daddy.
I thought it was like, are they filming a fucking movie, like some kind of parody movie here?
That's what I thought it was.
And then I looked and I go, this is the craziest thing, he's playing at the Staples, King Daddy, I've never heard of him.
I Wikipedia him, he's fucking huge!
Like, holy shit!
There's people that are huge, and because we're so disconnected with everybody, we're just connected more and more with the people that are like us, and then that's it.
Then we could shut everybody out.
We don't have to be all together.
But the old way, in that one way about NBC, CBS, and we all saw the news in 60 Minutes, we were, at some times, at those periods, we were all connected.
What if it was just a bunch of incompetent people, a bunch of people that all...
I mean, the amount of people that had to be involved...
To make it a conspiracy would be pretty big, right?
Would it be more likely that there's a bunch of fucking idiots running the government, which we've always known are true, than to have this one mastermind stroke of genius?
I don't understand how buildings, what they need to stay up.
I don't understand what can bring them down.
When I look at that though, it looks like a controlled demolition.
It behaves exactly the same.
I've never heard of a building that falls apart like that and just breaks apart in free fall.
But What do I know?
I mean, I don't know.
There was apparently massive fires all throughout the building because there was some diesel fuel that they had in the basement, giant diesel tanks.
And if those things were on fire, and if the building was on fire in some sort of a crazy way where it weakened the whole thing, however unlikely, where uniformly once one part of it gave out, it just gave in.
But what would disturb me about that scenario that I just said was, why didn't someone sue for that building falling apart?
Like, I would think that if that was my building, and my building just caved in when it caught on fire, I'd be like, let me show you fuckheads some videos of buildings that didn't cave in because they were a blaze, just on fire, like every fucking corner of the building is fire.
And this is just fire inside the building that fell apart.
I always thought I was, I knew the 9-11 conspiracy quite well.
I kind of understood how it, you know, I could argue with people.
I thought I was a brown belt.
Oh my god.
I watched this documentary that I don't even know if it's out yet.
The dude who put it together, he sent it to me.
It's five hours long.
Five hours long.
I watched it twice already.
And it's all news clips.
And he's narrating through it.
He's got so much information about how it went fucking down.
Alex Jones is like a purple belt compared to this guy.
His name is Ryan Dawson.
And the documentary is The Empire Unmasked.
Unmasked.
I kiss unmasked.
The Empire Unmasked.
I can't even say unmasked.
But holy shit.
Shit.
It gets so fucking deep.
It's like watching a movie that was a book, watching the movie, and then watching it three times, and then going back and reading the book, and you're like, oh my god, there's so much shit.
There's such a backstory and there's all these different players and all this evidence that was...
Dude, there's no way anybody could watch that documentary and still think, and he's got all the evidence, dude.
One of my favorite things about 9-11 that never gets brought up was the press conference that Donald Rumsfeld had the day before the Pentagon got hit where he was talking about all the money that was missing.
It was like trillions of dollars, right?
Like trillions of dollars they couldn't account for.
JFK is connected to Iran Contra, which is connected to 9-11.
It's all the same fucking players.
It's all the same.
It's a big old drug cartel going on.
It's a corporate...
It's all about...
The mob sells the drugs that the government brings in.
They always had a mob relationship.
There's always been the government running drugs using the mob to make money for covert operations.
They've always done that shit.
That's the way they do it.
And everything that's happening in the Middle East...
That's all it is to America.
Israel, they want to fuck up.
They wanted to fuck up Iraq.
The criminal element.
They want.
But the United States are like, they need to control the poppy seeds.
So it was oil, drugs, the same shit.
They just needed a reason to get in there.
Everybody knows that we invaded Iraq because of 9-11.
But they're...
Now we know that there's zero connection.
That was all bullshit.
We know that's a fact.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
There was no weapons of mass destruction.
We just needed a reason to get in there.
Dude, there's documents that they talk about this.
These great PNAC, this group, like how are we going to take over and what is the best route to We need a reason to get into the Middle East and control.
So, I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?
He said, no, no.
He said, there's nothing new that way.
They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
He said, I guess it's like, we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take a nail.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
He said, down governments.
And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer every problem.
He reached over on his desk.
He picked up a piece of paper.
He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.
And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries In five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
Yeah, the scariest thing is you could watch something like this, and like a skeptic who doesn't believe in any conspiracy, you could watch this, they'll watch it, and something like they've been programmed, like they've been hypnotized, like no matter what, obey the official story.
Do you see that video that was just about to come up?
Major Smedley Butler?
Check that out.
The video that was about to come up was the letter that Major Smedley Butler wrote in like 1930-something.
And he was another famous war hero who wrote a letter realizing when he was leaving the military that war is a racket.
Major General Smedley Butler and the fascist takeover of the USA. Does it play anything?
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You can roughly locate any community somewhere along a scale running all the way from democracy to despotism.
This man makes it his job to study these things.
Well, for one thing, avoid the comfortable idea that the mere form of government can of itself safeguard a nation against despotism.
For big business, despotism was often a useful tool for securing foreign markets and pursuing profits.
One of the US Marine Corps' most highly decorated generals, Smedley Darlington Butler, by his own account, helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies, Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank.
Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage, the Dominican Republic for sugar interests, Honduras for U.S. fruit companies, and China for Standard Oil.
General Butler's services were also in demand in the United States itself in the 1930s, as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought to relieve the misery of the Depression through public enterprise and tougher regulations on corporate exploitation and misdeeds.
More power to you, President Roosevelt.
The entire country's behind you, thrilled with hope and patriotism.
But the country was not entirely behind the populist president.
Large parts of the corporate elite despised what Roosevelt's New Deal stood for.
And so, in 1934, a group of conspirators sought to involve General Butler in a treasonous plan.
The plan, as outlined to me, was to form an organization of veterans.
To use as a bluff, or as a club at least, to intimidate the government.
But the corporate cabal had picked the wrong man.
Butler was fed up with being what he called a gangster for capitalism.
I appeared before the Congressional Committee, the highest representation of the American people, under subpoena to tell what I knew of activities, which I believe might lead to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship. which I believe might lead to an attempt to set The upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men, which would be able to take over the functions of government.
How crazy is that?
A congressional committee ultimately found evidence of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt.
According to Butler, the conspiracy included representatives of some of America's top corporations, including C.P. Morgan, DuPont, and Goodyear Tyre.
As today's chairman of Goodyear Tyre knows, for corporations to dominate government, a coup is no longer necessary.
Corporations have gone global.
And by going global, the governments have lost some control over corporations, regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted or cannot be trusted.
Governments today do not have, over the corporations, the power that they had and the leverage that they had 50 or 60 years ago.
So governments have become powerless compared to where they were before.
Capitalism today commands the towering heights and has displaced politics and politicians as the new high priests and reigning oligarchs of our system.
So capitalism and its principal protagonists and players, corporate CEOs, have been accorded unusual power and access.
This is not to deny the significance of government and politicians, but these are the new high priests.
You know, you go to a hypnotist's show, the guy before the show starts, he does a couple tests, and he goes, I got that idiot, and I got that motherfucker.
That's pretty crazy that he knows that there's a few people that he can hypnotize and there's others that he can't.
So then he makes them do weird shit.
Is hypnotism real?
Can people be hypnotized?
Is it real that you can hypnotize someone, wake them up, they appear to be woken up, and when they hear you say a certain word, they react a certain way?
Is it possible to hypnotize someone in their own, whatever way, whatever way works, and tell them when you wake up, when you hear the bell, you're going to react a certain way or you're going to think a certain way?
I went to some weird K-hole or something like that.
It was very strange.
It felt very almost, I want to say out of body, but inner body.
But I was awake.
I was never asleep.
But if anything crazy happened, like an alarm went off, I would have got right up.
I would have been fine.
In that state, like someone can talk you into that state and you put yourself, you willingly allow yourself to get into that state.
That's, for me, in this situation, if it was a different situation and it was a more gullible person or more easily led person, and then the hypnosis professional was like more into doing that, more into...
If that guy was more into getting you to remember a certain noise or a certain sound, and when you heard that sound, you're going to associate with something.
But my point is, this is just my wild conspiracy theory that, I mean, an answer, an attempt to answer the question, why you can show someone film like that, like what you just, like, film like that, and there's five hours of shit like that.
If there was a giant fire inside that building that caused the building to fail and it collapsed like that, and I'm talking all this crazy shit, I know they blew it up, I know they used bombs, then I'm an idiot.
And so if I'm saying I know one way or the other, it's kind of crazy.
Salmon, Smith& Barney, which is a financial company, Internal Revenue Service, Regional Council, U.S. Secret Service, American Express Bank International, Standard Chartered Bank, Provident Financial Management, Hartford Insurance Group.
First State Management Group, Federal Loan Bank, a lot of banks, but here it goes NAIC Securities.
Securities and Exchange Commission, that's when it gets really crazy.
Security and Exchange Commission, that's the mother load of money right there.
You would look at that and you'd go, wow, it's convenient that that building collapsed because it seems like there's a lot of fucking tenants in there that probably had a lot of crazy information.
The Secret Service, the Security Exchange Commission, and the Office of Emergency Management.
And if a decent detective found out that, oh, it looks like over 2,000 architects risking their license, risking their credibility, is going to go against the government?
I don't know if they would rig a building like that with explosives when they were building it in the possibility that something went wrong and they had to destroy evidence.
If you do believe that the building was a controlled demolition, then someone rigged it.
So the idea is, if they knew that these people were going to be in this building, they knew this building was going to be a high-security building, they could have rigged it with explosives when they were constructing it to make sure that in the event the building was taken.
Why are you convinced that that's how the building I brought down?
What does this say?
The Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency.
Okay, yeah.
They shared the 25th floor with the IRS. Okay, yeah.
That's it.
You want me to explain?
Hold on.
We're just reading the facts.
So the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency were there on the 25th floor with the IRS. Floors 46 through 47 were mechanical floors, as were the bottom floors and part of the seventh floor.
After public pressure, they were forced to put a scientist out there in front of these reporters to finally give a reason, and they said it was because of fires.
I understand.
And they gasped, why didn't you check for explosives?
But why is it impossible that they put those bombs in it when they were building it?
In the case, or when the Secret Service took over, or when whoever made the tenant, maybe they installed the bombs to make sure, in an event that something happened...
Like, in 96, I believe it was 96, the World Trade Center towers, they blew them up in the basement, remember?
They had a car bomb that went off in the basement and they thought they were going to take the tower down.
If these people thought that put this building in place, or that took over this building, the CIA, the NSA, whoever the fuck it was, if they knew that they had some really important secure information there, It's very possible they could have said, okay, in the event that someone does blow up the World Trade Center, like in 96, because it's already happened before, and a catastrophic failure, we can demolish this building.
I don't know why, but we're living in a world post 9-11 that's...
We're living in a crazy world where people are fucking dying in the Middle East and getting blown up and getting murdered and kids and stuff like that.
Look, George Bush, a singer, gets busted on national TV with the Iran-Contra situation.
He becomes president after that.
And then he's running all his shit and all his drugs in his arms through Arkansas with an unknown governor, Bill Clinton, who's letting it happen.
And then he becomes president after...
George Bush as a detective?
I don't know the truth.
I wasn't there.
I don't know what their relationship is like.
You sound like Columbo.
I'm like, that's some gangster shit going on right there.
And they're just playing with the public and all the dumb motherfuckers who believe that there's this Republican-Democrat battle going on.
You know, it's fascinating and frustrating at the same time and very scary that, man, we're living with people that just follow the official story and whatever they say, that's the truth.
And all the other shit that's not the official story, that's crazy.
Yeah, the scary thing is the people, when you ask anybody, they'll say, yeah, the government's fucked up.
Yeah, the government, you can't trust the government.
Everybody will say that.
No one's ever said, you can totally trust the government.
I trust the government.
No one ever says that.
Ever!
Everyone says, I fucked the government, bunch of crooks.
But when they get busted and there's all this evidence and all this shit going down and so crystal clear, can you imagine if the video of Tower 7 was not available until 10 years later?
That would be the craziest fucking conspiracy theory that nobody would get behind.
Nobody would waste their time.
That building goes down.
There's no video of it.
There's going to be people that were there going, dude!
It's crazy.
Tower 7 just fell down like it was controlled demo.
Because of all the angles that came out right away, right away we had all that footage.
It's almost like...
Like, that was good for the people that were behind this.
Like, it was beautiful because you could see that on YouTube and it has millions of views, but people will go, well, the government said it was fires, so I believe it's fires.
Hmm.
You know, and you're watching it.
You're watching it go down.
Bunch of different angles, but I'm going to go with the government on this one.
I wonder how long, if there really is some crazy global cabal going on that's ripping off the world, how much longer do they keep going with this in these days of Edward Snowden?
I think it's like what you were saying earlier, that we were talking about how in the 1980s and whatever, before the internet, there was only a few different programs, so everybody was on these channels.
But I think in this day and age, there's so much information out there.
There's so much stuff to listen to and so much stuff to watch and so much stuff to pay attention to.
It's just overwhelming that when something happens, even if it's a big deal, it's gone in a couple days.
Some new shit coming down the pipe.
University of Missouri, they're having a fucking hunger strike.
Oh, that lady, she pushed that kid and she called for muscle.
There's a new thing every goddamn day.
You know, a few days ago, the Pentagon got busted with a gas station that cost $43 million to build.
And everyone was like, why is a gas station in that part of the world?
It's normally between $200,000 and $500,000 to build a gas station.
He jokes around about it like it's not a serious topic.
But of course it's a serious topic.
Because marijuana by itself, whether you like pot or don't like pot, it's not about that.
It's about freedom.
And it's a serious topic when you have a subject like marijuana, which all these people enjoy, and there's no reason why it should be illegal, and yet it's still illegal.
That's not freedom.
See, if marijuana made people's fucking brains melt, and made your dick fall off, and made people just start running out into traffic, there would be a reason why someone would say, hey, we gotta spend a lot of money to stop this, because it's gonna destroy our youth, ruin our children, and just devastate our society.
Since that evidence doesn't exist, It doesn't make any sense.
So if someone is still arresting people when there's no evidence that they should be, that's when shit gets scary.
That's scary.
That's a freedom issue.
Because they're letting you know.
They could just lock you in a cage.
We have a difference of opinion.
I'm not even willing to look at scientific evidence.
I don't care about scientific evidence.
I care about what's written on this piece of paper.
And this piece of paper says, if you have a certain amount of these plants, I can put you in a cage.
And I can make money off of you being in that fucking cage.
That is a freedom issue.
It has nothing to do with marijuana itself.
You and I are obviously marijuana advocates, and we're marijuana enthusiasts, and we're known for having beliefs that marijuana is not just a fun thing, but it's a very important thing for creativity.
Well, I think it was gone after in a very calculated way by a guy who went after a lot of things like that.
William Randolph Hearst, stand-to-profit for marijuana being illegal, remaining illegal.
In fact, they named it marijuana.
For people who don't even know, the name marijuana referred to wild Mexican tobacco.
And it had nothing to do with cannabis.
Cannabis was hemp, and everybody knew that, and they knew that as a textile and as a commodity, it was extremely valuable for the American people.
For people who don't know, there was actually a documentary that Jack Herrer found, and it was a big deal that he found it, because he had known about this, and people denied its existence, and then he found this documentary, Hemp for Victory.
And it was made during World War II, after hemp was essentially made illegal.
But they wanted hemp To use for sales.
Canvas is all made with hemp.
All the great paintings, like the Mona Lisa, that shit is painted on canvas, which comes from cannabis.
It is a commonly used plant throughout human history.
Thousands of years of use.
All...
Like, intercepted by a propaganda campaign.
This propaganda campaign by one guy and a bunch of other people that conspired with it as well, where there was two factions of it.
One guy wanted to- What did he do, put out movies?
Well, he owned hundreds of, like, he owned not just newspaper, but he owned hundreds of thousands of acres of trees.
And he used those trees and made paper out of them.
He owned paper mills.
If hemp became the new billion-dollar crop, as it was predicted on the cover of Popular Science magazine, if that happened, William Randolph Hearst would, I mean, he would have been fucked.
He would have had to spend millions of dollars converting his newspapers to hemp paper.
So he's like, fuck it.
I'll just write evil shit about marijuana.
I'll just call it marijuana.
So it wasn't even about going after the drug.
It was about going after what the fibers of the plant do.
And can you imagine, because that was all during the 30s and 40s, can you imagine that there had to be some people that were thought of as some tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists that are saying that weed is actually not, doesn't make you do all these crazy things that they're putting in the movies and with all this reefer manner propaganda.
Those people must have been, they looked so goddamn crazy back then.
But here's the other aspect of it that we didn't talk about.
The timing of this is right after Prohibition ended.
So Prohibition was a boon to law enforcement.
They were constantly working.
They were arresting people, locking people up.
And then on top of that, organized crime emerges in a huge way.
I mean, that's where Al Capone got all his money.
That's where the Kennedys got their fucking money.
It's all from running booze, man.
So there's all these people that are illegally running booze, and they're making crazy money, and they wind up in positions of power, and even wind up having their fucking children become president.
That's the real story of the United States, is that Kennedy's fucking parents were drug runners.
Their drug was just a liquid drug.
It's just the same as running coke, just the same as growing weed right now today.
Now, I'm going to stop this, because people are getting mad at me for saying this, because it makes your phone go off.
If you say, H-E-Y, S-I-R-I. And say those things together, you can ask it things.
It'll transcribe things for you.
It transcribes for me accidentally.
I look down, the phone is taking every word that I said accidentally because I said those words during a podcast or something that sounded enough like it.
But when you have that, when you do something like that, you could tell it, hey, download me Smoke Serpent.
Hey, go to Eddie Bravo Radio number three, and it'll fucking find it on the internet and play it for you.
Smoking a lot of weed and saying stupid shit, but it seems that the record companies in the record business have always, always ripped off the artists.
The artists never make, all of them, when you look at documentaries, every band the same thing.
They're getting ripped off.
If you watch that Eagles documentary, it's amazing.
I'm not an Eagles fan.
I'll never buy an Eagles CD, but I respect the shit out of them.
Yeah, I love the story, shit, the documentary, the story of how they got together and their dynamics when they broke up and got back together and shit.
Unless it's like an anomaly where you have a Depeche Mode or U2. Where they get fucking massive and they could just sustain a career and 20 years into their career, they write fucking Beautiful Day and that's a smash hit.
You know, once you're like that, then after like 10, 15 years, you own your own shit and you realize, okay, I'm going to do my own shit here.
But then get the majors to distribute it.
I'll use their distribution like what Dr. Dre did.
They don't give a fuck if I'm with Warner Brothers or A&M. That's all nonsense.
They just stole.
They were stealing.
They're trying to do that in the world of podcasting.
There's a lot of that going on in the world of podcasting where companies are coming in and they're trying to own half of podcasts and put you on a network.
It's really common.
A lot of that's been going on where they're trying to scoop up podcasts.
Because podcasts are such a simple model.
You have one.
You know how it is.
You take it.
You record it.
You upload it on iTunes with some sort of a server.
Like, you know, use someone like a service like Libsyn is what we use.
They're actually in the podcast distribution business.
And once you do that, I mean, that's basically it.
That's all you have to do.
That's not a lot.
If someone like Radiolab or like Hardcore History is a perfect example, he's almost always like in the top three or four whenever he releases something new.
Maybe sometimes often one, number one.
I've seen him one a couple times.
It's just a dude and a producer putting together a history podcast.
Because you don't know what the fuck they're putting up there unless you approve each and every message.
The best way to do it would be you tell me what you want me to say, what are you trying to get me to say, and I'll tell you whether or not that's ever going to happen.
And if you want to say something in my voice, which they're trying to do, I'm like, you're fucking crazy.
You're crazy.
Because I'm not going to agree.
Hey, you guys should tune in to blah, blah, blah on primetime at 8. Amazing.
It would be cool if you guys tweeted this.
Are you out of your mind?
You think I'm going to tweet promotions for other shows or live tweet things that you've got going on or get involved with your fucking shark week or whatever the fuck it is?
That kind of crazy talk.
That's what happens when you become a part of a network.
You also become, like, involved in promos.
And they want to, like, they owned Arsenio Hall's Facebook.
He couldn't get his Facebook back.
When he did that Arsenio, the resurgence of the Arsenio Hall show.
That's, in a lot of ways, a lot like a record company because that's one of the big complaints that artists have had about Spotify is that they don't get paid enough money from it.
But little by little, you see what appears to be happening is little by little, the artist is now, because of the internet, it's slowly the shift, the power is going back to them.
Because now that you have your music on your phone, instead, I remember, it seems like just yesterday, where I'm driving around, I always had 55 CDs in the back of my car, people stepping on them, there's always CDs, and once every couple weeks I gotta fucking organize my shit.
And these guys that were like radio DJs, essentially what made them cool was their personalities.
But when you get trapped in a DJ gig like that, people get little snippets of your personality and your thought process on things, and then you play another song.
I think for those guys, it's like...
They would be way better served without a radio show.
They'd be way better served just talking about shit.
Because that's what people enjoy about them.
Anybody could play those same records.
You could have a robot voice that plays the same records.
So the people that are tuning in just for the music...
Go ahead, do it, brother.
The people that are tuning in just for the music...
Those people are going to tune in no matter what.
That's what they want to hear.
They don't care about the personalities.
But the personalities, guys like Kevin and Bean, they're fun dudes.
They're interesting guys.
And that's what is interesting about that show.
They would almost be better served if the radio station fired them and they had to go and do an internet show.
Because if they did an internet show, it would just be them talking about stuff and it would be great.
It would just be a podcast.
I think...
For the longest time, it was fucking really hard to get the internet on your phone.
You know, you had to download shit.
And then 3G came around, got a little bit better.
But then 4G LTE came around.
It's like, that shit is fast as fuck.
Instantaneous streaming.
Like, if you want to listen to a song, there's almost never a hiccup.
I mean, this is the craziest time ever for podcasts.
It's this new thing.
I mean, we've been doing it for six years next month.
It'll be December 30th or something like that.
It was six years.
In that time, podcasts have gone from being some shit that people did for a goof to one of the few ways that I get entertainment.
It's one of the major ways.
My major ways are Walking Dead, shows like that that I'll watch at home, hunting shows, MMA fights, and podcasts.
It's a major part of what I listen to.
Not my own shit, but...
Radio Lab, the TED Podcast Hour, Hardcore History, Ari's show, Joey's show.
There's all these podcasts to listen to.
There's always entertainment.
Always, constantly.
It's constant entertainment.
And I can't tell you how many fucking people I've talked to that say, hey man, listen to your show, and because of your show, we start our own podcast.
Anybody can do it!
Why not?
Why not?
If it's good, if you have one person take a fucking chance on your podcast, one person, and they go, that's pretty fucking good, and they send it to their friend, dude, listen to these guys shoot the shit about shit.
We saw it the other day when we were talking about Josh Olin, who we had in on the podcast.
We both watched a podcast that had like...
2,000 downloads on YouTube, maybe.
And it was over a year ago.
And Jamie and I both watched it.
We both watched it because we wanted to see these guys take on it.
So these guys take on it, which was intelligent.
They're funny guys.
They had good points.
They gave us, like, an insight into it.
Now, because of that, I'll see that podcast, and I'll go, oh, these guys, I remember these guys.
And that's what people do.
And then, do-do-do-do-do, next thing you know, you got 100,000 downloads a month.
I mean, that's not unusual.
That's super possible and plausible now.
All you have to do is focus on something and put together something that's really good and unusual.
We all have friends, like my friend Dave Dolan, who just died.
Let me tell you something.
If that motherfucker was alive, if he lived in LA, I'd have him on the podcast every week.
I'm kicking myself that I never had him on while he was alive, but he never comes to LA. That guy would be hilarious on a podcast.
If someone gave him a podcast like the fucking Investigator Chronicles, the Private Investigator Chronicles, and you just let him be himself.
What if you could do stand-up like in your podcast where you're talking, you're telling jokes, And everyone's connected to your headset so you could hear people laugh.
Psilocybin is really close to DMT. The way it synthesizes in the body, it's super close.
I'm going to butcher this, but it's NN... Dimethyltryptamine and I think, what is the psilocybin version of it?
4-Fox-4-Aloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine, something like that.
Like it's real close.
It's like they're kissing cousins.
All those really powerful tryptamines, they're all like neighbors of each other.
It's very strange.
And they're all the closest to human neurochemistry.
One of the most fucked up things about the really powerful psychedelic drugs is the strongest ones, like mushrooms and like DMT. DMT is the strongest.
It's like an actual human neurotransmitter.
I mean, it's not even like an addition.
It's not even an addition to it.
It's actually produced in your own body.
That's the weirdest thing ever about drugs, that the strongest one we know of, your own body makes.
The fact that most people don't know that, the fact that most people know that Kanye West is married to Kim Kardashian, most people don't know that your brain produces the most powerful psychedelic drug that science has ever observed.
That's a nutty thing, man.
That is a weird, weird aspect of who we are as human beings.
What kind of a strange, waking up, infantile civilization we are.
In the middle of...
The greatest era of technological innovation ever.
Wi-Fi, the ability to download songs instantly on phones like we were talking about, the periscoping and fucking just insane ability to connect with each other at this day and age.
We still have illegal marijuana, illegal psychedelic drugs, illegal...
Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs said that LSD was what led him to create Apple.
He said it was like one of the most important moments of his life, was having an LSD trip.
Can you imagine if you could get Dick Cheney and get him fucked up on mushrooms and talk to him about life?
That would be worth so much money.
All these capitalist dudes, you want to make some real money, Donald Trump?
This is what you do.
You eat five grams of mushrooms on a webcam.
If Donald Trump was trying to raise money for his campaign, and that's what he said, that was his big...
That was his big gimmick.
He's going to take five grams of mushrooms on a webcam and just talk to Skype with people from all over the world and answer their questions about what he's going to do to fix the world.
He'd probably shave his head halfway into the conversation.
I can't do this anymore.
He'd probably be like...
He'd be like, I've got cotton candy on my head.
I can't fucking hang with this anymore.
But I think that...
If you could do something like that and make it something that would be culturally acceptable.
It sounds ridiculous now.
We're going to send the fucking presidential candidates down to the jungle and make them do some drugs.
It sounds ridiculous, right?
But if there was a culturally...
It's only ridiculous because you have to leave the country, which doesn't make any sense.
If you do DMT, right, one of the things that you feel is that you're not even there.
You've entered into some completely different dimension.
Some alternative...
Co-existing universe is what it feels like you step into.
It doesn't matter if you do that in Peru or in Japan or on the moon.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Like, where you're going has nothing to do with where you are.
It really has nothing to do with it.
It's only because it's illegal that people are forced to go to these indigenous cultures and do it there.
If it was legal, you could have a shamanic retreat center in America, and people could go to a shamanic retreat center, and it could be treated just as respected as going to, you know, whatever, a psychiatrist, or just as respected as going to a fucking cancer doctor or an oncologist or anybody, just getting your body checked out.
One of the only countries on the planet Where ayahuasca is praised and legal is the same country where they take a month off from work and party straight.
Like, if you had to live in Sydney, or, that's the only place I've been, but I'd be like, yeah, that's just like living in a nice city in America where people have a cool accent.
Well, the reality is, okay, if he really needed it so bad that he said he needed it before, and it was a medical issue, his body was low on testosterone, and he had to take it.
And then he took it, and it was just destroying everybody.
It looked like a world beater.
Goddamn, remember when Vitor was...
You've got to think that he was probably fighting with low test for a long time.
Like the Matt Lindland days, and maybe even Sakuraba fight.
He still had the skills and everything that he had, but I think it might have been one of the reasons why he fades so quickly.
One of the reasons why it's hard for him to sustain a hard pace without the TRT. And I think that a fight like the Dan Henderson fight points to the fact that he's still super dangerous.
He's got nasty skills and really fast as fuck, but he didn't do anything.
Look at him there.
That's him against Rich Franklin.
Look at his body.
I mean, he's like real smooth.
I mean, he doesn't look like a pipsqueak.
He still looks like an athlete for sure, but it doesn't look like Vitor in the TRT days.
Not even fucking close.
This is after TRT. No, this is before TRT. See, he fought like this, and then he fought Anderson, and then all the way, by the way, this is all after he tested positive for steroids, the first time he fought in Pride.
In Vegas, he tested positive for steroids when he fought, I think it was Dan Henderson.
He lost that fight, but he tested positive for something, some metabolite.
They had the one show in the United States, they tested.
And that's the one show where Nick Diaz got popped for fighting Gomi, remember?
He got popped for weed, and Vitor got popped for steroids.
So when the side effect of using steroids, and this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are against testosterone replacement therapy for fighters, is that when you use steroids, your body stops producing testosterone on its own.
So you can get tested.
The steroids have since left your body, but your body's not, the endocrine system hasn't recovered yet.
So you go to the doctor and you go, hey man, I got really low testosterone.
And the doctor's like, we certainly do.
This is proof positive.
We have it here in the blood.
They do a blood test.
They get the results.
They put the results against the commission.
And they say, hey, this guy needs tests.
And so they give him a testosterone use exemption, a TUE. And that was what all these fighters were getting.
But the complaints from the people that were clean or wanted everybody to be clean, allegedly were clean, I should say, Was that the only reason why these guys have low tests in their early 30s, like, you know, some of these guys, like, they had a guy that was 25 that was on testosterone replacement.
And he looked like a tank.
The only way a guy would need this at that age is if he abused his system.
If he took testosterone and fucked up his endocrine system.
So that was, like, the big argument against the testosterone use exemption.
So if you look at him right there, now pull up Vitor Belfort versus Luke Rockhold and This is a totally different animal.
I mean, this is like two years later, right?
And he doesn't look remotely like the same guy.
I mean, he looks like a goddamn...
This was at the weigh-ins, by the way.
The weigh-ins...
Go up where he's throwing that wheel kick.
Right there.
Bam!
Look at the fucking difference in his build!
Dude!
I mean, what the fuck?!
This is the same weight class, okay?
But he looks like he's, fuck, at least 10 pounds of muscle bigger.
I would have loved to have seen Vitor like this, TRT Vitor versus Weidman, TRT Vitor versus Anderson Silva.
I would have loved to see it.
I understand that it's not fair, and I wouldn't expect Weidman to take that fight if he knew that Vitor was on TRT. I wouldn't expect it, but goddamn, I would have loved to have seen it.
Well, you can never say no way because guys have tested positive that looked absolutely like shit.
You never know because they look like shit and the testosterone makes them look a little bit better or whatever they're taking makes them look a little bit better.
He's one of the toughest guys in the sport and real smart, real technical, but TRT Vitor ran him over.
TRT Vitor wheel kicked him in the fucking head and beat him down and he beat down Dan Henderson like that.
He knocked out Michael Bisping with a head kick and fucked his eye up permanently.
Michael Bisping's eye is permanently disfigured because of Vitor kicking him in the head.
This is, like, he's one of the scariest guys in the history of the sport when he was on TRT. It was like a four-fight run where he was just fucking smashing people.
And the Dan Anderson fight was one of the most devastating.
Because it wasn't just the kick.
He had uncorked a fucking left uppercut before that kick, hurt him real bad, and then head kicked him and knocked him out.
He was fucking terrifying when he was on TRT. So he's more tentative now.
He didn't do a single thing for the first two minutes in this fight.
He literally didn't throw a punch or a kick.
He just circled for two minutes.
And then Dan threw a couple inside leg kicks.
There was a couple little whiffs.
Nothing really connected.
And then Vitor just uncorks that head kick.
So the question is, when you look at Vitor now, he definitely looks better in this fight than he did in the Weidman fight.
He looked more built, but he still didn't look like he looked when he was on TRT. Look at that shot down where he's punching Dan Henderson in the head.
Look at that.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Look at the build on him, dude.
He looks like a lion.
Look at his neck.
Look at the fucking traps on this guy when he's throwing this punch.
And he's connecting perfectly on Dan Henderson's jaw in that shot.
That is a classic picture.
He was a monster, dude.
But the question is, what is he doing now?
If he needed testosterone replacement before, how is he...
How has his body recovered like this?
Has he figured out some nutritional way to get around it?
Or is he figuring out some undetectable way to use?
Yeah, you know, for me, and I think a big part of the reason there are those people that thought women's MMA would never make it, and they're still holding on to that.
They think that Rhonda's just a freak, and after her, it's over.
There's still some people.
But the reason was, everyone kind of thought that at first, too, because in the beginning, back in like '99, 2000, the girls that were doing MMA had no skill.
Well, he was really good for MMA. He was really good at a bunch of different things.
But if you compared him back then to a guy like Andy Hoog, who was fighting K-1 at the same time, who was a real world-class striker, or a guy like Jerome LeBanner, or, you know...
Dude, the first time she was on your podcast, she was all business.
It was all that reporting CNN shit.
It had nothing to do.
And during that podcast, you started talking about mushrooms, and you were going off, and you You broke it all down, and she's sitting there, and she was in a real bad spot in her life.