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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - Sept. 26, 2015
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brendan schaub
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
There's something missing.
unidentified
Come on.
brendan schaub
No, season 10 was the best.
joe rogan
Here we go.
We're going live.
unidentified
We're going live.
joe rogan
Don't say anything.
Don't say anything.
All right.
Welcome to Fight Companion.
If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, this is not a normal podcast, but sometimes it becomes a normal podcast, so take a chance, bitch.
Brendan Schaub's in the motherfucking house.
What up?
And my brother Eddie Bravo.
Hello.
Of course.
And we're watching the fights.
This is Fight Night Live from Japan.
It's Josh Barnett versus Big Country, Roy Nelson.
That's the main event.
Uriah Hall versus Musashi.
That's a fight I really want to see.
That's tonight, too.
That's a big fucking fight.
That's a juicy one.
brendan schaub
For Uriah, it's a big one, huh?
joe rogan
It's a huge one for Uriah.
And it's a big chance for Musashi.
Musashi has to take a chance.
brendan schaub
Musashi's giving him a shot, for sure.
joe rogan
Yes, he's giving him a shot.
I think if Uriah Hall shows up, that's Uriah Hall's best moments inside the octagon.
Like, Uriah Hall, I think when he's sharp, is like one of the fastest fucking 185 pounds in the world.
He's a monster.
brendan schaub
Athletic.
joe rogan
You know what?
One of the most, to me, the biggest curiosities about that dude is when he broke his foot.
Fucked it up real bad.
Like you could look down in between rounds.
We were looking at his toe.
His toe was jacked.
The bone was sticking out of it.
Hobbles back to his corner.
Then the bell starts the next round.
He's throwing kicks with it.
He's throwing kicks with it and he's moving around like he doesn't feel a fucking thing.
And then as soon as the round's over...
I mean, he's wobbling.
He'd barely walk at the end of the fight.
That takes some serious mental toughness.
brendan schaub
For sure, which is Uriah's biggest knock, right?
His mental toughness.
Exactly.
I trained with the guy for a year.
joe rogan
What do you think?
brendan schaub
Athletically, he's the biggest freak.
He's his own worst enemy.
That's racist.
If the Uriah Hulk...
If the Uriah Hulk...
Shows up with the right mind frame?
Yeah, man.
He's one of the best in the world.
That's a big fucking if.
And guess what?
Musashi has fought guys just like Uriah Hall.
He's beat OSP. He's beat Hector Lombard back in the day.
He's fought big explosive guys.
joe rogan
I think OSP has mad potential.
Don't get me wrong.
And I think he gets better every time he fights.
Like the Shogun knockout was a big fucking deal.
I was super shocked by that.
The Pat Cummins knockout.
I was like, whoa.
OSP is getting better every single time we see him.
But, like, when it comes to the execution of techniques, there's some shit that Uriah Hall can do that OSP can't quite do.
brendan schaub
See, but OSP pulls it off against world-class competition.
Uriah Hall hasn't beat anybody.
joe rogan
He's beating these kind of C-level guys.
You're 100% right.
That was my kind of original point, was that Uriah Hall, like, his movement inside the octagon, like, when he's sharp as he can be, he can do some freaky shit.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
You see the Ron Stallings fight?
When he hit Ron Stallings with that right hand?
Dude, that right hand's a goddamn laser beam.
brendan schaub
Matrix shit.
joe rogan
Matrix shit, right?
It's just a matter of stringing together those moments when it's crucial.
And OSP has definitely been able to do that more than him.
100%.
100%.
But when it comes to those spectacular movements that Uriah Hall does, when I see OSP, I see a super strong, really tough guy who obviously works real hard and is better every time you see him fight, right?
Like those fucking power left kicks he throws, especially from the left side.
He's a crazy athlete.
Crazy athlete.
And he's got total world championship potential.
If that guy keeps accelerating at the pace he's at now, you can see OSP at a world championship level in a year, maybe even two years.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
100%.
What Uriah Hall does, he does that every now and then, you get these bursts of that next level shit.
You get these bursts of that Ron Stallings right hand, the wheel kick that he knocked that kid out on tough.
And again, he's not fighting the highest level of competition when he's pulling these techniques off, but they're there.
They're there.
brendan schaub
They're there, but he just hasn't done it, like you said, against a high-level guy.
Now, when he starts pulling that shit, like, if he pulled that shit off tonight against Musashi, like, Musashi's kind of seen this, man.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
He's beat Jacare.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
Like, he's beat some good, good dudes.
joe rogan
He certainly has.
He certainly has.
brendan schaub
And with Musashi, he just, I don't know what it is.
He's just fucking good, man.
eddie bravo
I'll take Musashi.
joe rogan
His mind.
brendan schaub
Bro, isn't Uriah Hall a 10th Planet guy?
eddie bravo
Not Uriah Hall.
joe rogan
He's not?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
OSP is.
OSP is.
eddie bravo
That's right.
joe rogan
You know what?
eddie bravo
We already got a double or nothing.
I owe him $1,000 from the last fight.
brendan schaub
Yes, you do.
eddie bravo
And we're double.
joe rogan
Are we just going to have a running tab?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Double or nothing.
joe rogan
That'll make everybody feel better.
This way, nobody ever has to really, like, get hurt and pay someone $1,000.
unidentified
What?
eddie bravo
We'll just keep it crazy.
joe rogan
Well, then you've got to suck his dick or something.
I mean, we have to work something out.
unidentified
I go from.
eddie bravo
For $100,000?
For $100,000?
If you would just clean my bed out?
I'm not saying I would do it.
joe rogan
But I'm not saying I won't, either.
You'd have to sit down with your friends.
eddie bravo
I'd have to talk to my wife about it.
brendan schaub
I'll take a hundred G, son.
joe rogan
Imagine how gay Brendan would have to be to let you suck his dick for $100,000.
He'd have to agree.
brendan schaub
Instead of $100,000.
unidentified
Meanwhile, really, you'd probably have to pay him to suck his dick for $100,000.
eddie bravo
He wouldn't do it.
For being gay, he would do it to get the fucking pictures, man.
Me with a dick in my mouth.
joe rogan
That's not good for anybody, bro.
In this day and age, those pictures are already out there.
We was photoshopped today.
brendan schaub
Are you guys talking me to get my dick sucked?
joe rogan
No, that's how we do it.
We do it slow.
We make it normal.
brendan schaub
Nah, but you'd be open to it, right?
unidentified
Nah, that's not a big deal.
joe rogan
I bet if anybody knows how to suck your dick right, it's a girl.
eddie bravo
Has anybody ever photoshopped your face, Joe, like really, really good on some dude blowing another dude?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
It's the golden rule of the internet.
If there's a picture of you out there, someone somewhere has photoshopped a dick in your mouth.
I haven't seen the golden rule.
brendan schaub
Otherwise, you ain't doing shit.
joe rogan
I've seen a ton of them on my own website.
On the forums on my website.
eddie bravo
Nice.
joe rogan
This dude named Floppo from England.
He probably did a hundred of them.
unidentified
Floppo?
brendan schaub
Floppo?
joe rogan
Floppo was just jacking off to those.
Dude, it was hilarious.
He would have the most hilarious photoshops.
Oh my god, and with me, they always involved like a hundred black dicks.
Like, I'd have 50 arms and shit.
It was ridiculous.
They were funny as hell, man.
His, he's always done it with a funny sense of humor, but some people can do it and they can get it so close.
Girls get really mad because famous actresses have been in porn scenes.
They just put their body and they morph a girl's body.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're so good.
joe rogan
We do anything now with that stuff.
With photo editing, they could literally have you wrestling a dinosaur.
All they need is your face.
brendan schaub
Anything.
eddie bravo
The chick from Game of Thrones, when they made her walk through the city naked, turns out it wasn't her body, right?
joe rogan
Wow, is that true?
eddie bravo
That's what Bretman said.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true.
Well, he would probably know.
eddie bravo
I think it is true.
Remember that scene?
joe rogan
I mean, it makes sense.
brendan schaub
I don't watch that shit.
joe rogan
If I was that chick, I would probably be like, look, you can make a dragon.
You can't give me fake tits.
brendan schaub
I agree.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
Why do you have to see my real tits?
That's creepy.
I don't want you guys staring at my asshole as I walk down the street.
unidentified
Asshole!
joe rogan
Because she was totally naked, and you got like 100, 200 people that are working as extras that are the slaves and the peasant people, so they're all going to see her naked too?
That's not fun.
brendan schaub
You're not going to see her asshole, though, unless she's, like, bear crawling through the city.
joe rogan
I've been naked in a couple things.
I was naked in this thing that I did for news radio once.
I had to be naked in front of...
The whole idea was, like, I was waiting for this chick in her apartment, and I was trying to...
I forget the whole premise.
I guess I was trying to get her to date me or something like that.
So I lit a bunch of candles and I took my clothes off.
brendan schaub
Do they pay extra for that or no?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
brendan schaub
Do you have something over your junk or no?
joe rogan
No, my dick was hanging out.
And when she came in, I covered it up.
I had to cover it up.
Like that was the scene in the movie.
Like, whoa, it's you.
I forget the premise.
It was on news radio.
It was a long time ago.
brendan schaub
It was uncomfortable for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then there was another one that I did for the VH1 Fashion Awards.
It was like 1997. I did this thing where I played this photographer that was crazy.
And I didn't know anything about photography.
I was just in it to try to get laid.
That was the whole thing.
And I would say to the girl, do you have any problems with nudity?
And she goes, no.
And next thing you know, I'm taking pictures of her while I'm naked.
So I had to be naked in front of her.
She was European.
brendan schaub
She didn't give a fuck.
That was back in the day.
joe rogan
Back in the day, dude.
eddie bravo
In 97. I was in line behind Tony D'Souza.
Remember that guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Remember Tony?
brendan schaub
That guy's a wild man from Peru.
eddie bravo
Really good at Jiu Jitsu and everything.
joe rogan
Peruvian necktie.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
He did 2003 Abu Dhabi, and when we were weighing in, I killed myself to get down to 145, and I'm in line, and he's in front of me, and we both got our underwear on.
You see the Japanese press right there.
You see Brazilian press.
Hoyla Gracie's sitting down right there.
I'm waiting to weigh in.
Tony goes first.
He drops his underwear, gets naked.
No one says shit.
He gets naked, he weighs in, he makes weight.
And then I come in and I was so close, I go, I guess it's cool to get naked.
I pulled down my underwear.
I pulled down my underwear.
And the Japanese press come up quick and start taking pictures.
joe rogan
Of your dick.
eddie bravo
Of me naked, standing there naked.
So I started doing kung fu poses and like, Most muscular poses.
And then I did one pose.
Then I went like this.
Then I did the opposite of the Incredible Hulk.
I got all submissive and just covered my balls like I was really shy.
That's the picture they use.
They put that shit in Gong Magazine.
I'm like this.
joe rogan
I remember that, dude.
brendan schaub
Joe, is there anything they could pay you now to do that?
To get naked and film some shit on TV? It's not that big a deal.
joe rogan
It's not that big a deal.
What's the big deal?
Someone sees your dick?
We're so crazy about our bodies.
eddie bravo
No, I get it.
unidentified
No, I get it.
brendan schaub
But if someone was like, yo, Joe, MTV Music Awards, we want you to be butt-ass naked on stage.
joe rogan
No, I don't think that would be something I'd be into doing.
brendan schaub
You're past that.
joe rogan
It seems very embarrassing.
But the idea behind it is that there's something wrong with you being naked.
You know, like, that we don't know, that we all...
I mean, look at these crowd of people, right?
You watch these two dudes fight.
We don't even know who they are.
You watch these two...
This is a good scrap, actually.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it is.
Homeboy just got dropped.
joe rogan
Look at all those people in the audience, and you'll notice they all have clothes on.
I mean, it's kind of ridiculous.
Clothes are kind of ridiculous.
brendan schaub
You just want everyone to be naked.
joe rogan
No, but this idea that we've created this outerwear, like some sort of a fucking weird homemade hermit crab thing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
We've created this outer shell that we must have on, except in the most intimate moments.
I mean, there's something almost...
There's almost something where the human race realized how sexual and fucking crazy it is and like, look, the only way we're going to get anything done is if we invent clothes.
brendan schaub
Cover shit up.
joe rogan
We just can't have people just fucking every time they run into each other.
eddie bravo
It started with jealous husbands at first.
Jealous husbands just cover up their chicks.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Well, if you look at the oldest civilizations on Earth, it's the Middle East, right?
And aren't those the ones who cover their women up the most?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
They're the smartest.
They're like this.
They can't see shit.
unidentified
They're like this.
eddie bravo
Do they ever have to deal with jealousy or possessiveness?
joe rogan
I don't want that.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
That's genius.
eddie bravo
Those guys have like 50 billion dollars.
Like, you know, that's the least they could do.
brendan schaub
You don't know what you're getting though, you know what I'm saying?
It's like a cracker bat, John.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
There was like a sounding royalty guy that was arrested in LA for sexual assault.
Some woman came screaming out of his place.
She was like half naked or something like that.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was arrested and he doesn't have immunity.
And it's one of a series of events that have happened with really rich people from the Middle East in Beverly Hills over the last couple of weeks.
Because the other one that happened was there was a race.
I don't know if I talked about it with you.
brendan schaub
Not with me.
joe rogan
We went to Disneyland.
They have this thing called Saudi Summer.
And in the summer in Saudi Arabia, apparently it's un-fucking-godly hot.
So a lot of people come over from Saudi Arabia To L.A., and they buy these crazy houses in Beverly Hills, and they bring over these cars, these multi-million dollar cars, like a Bugatti Veyron, like a one and a half million dollar car, and they have Arab license plates on them.
They don't even have, like, it's not even a registered car in America.
But they bring them over here and they're allowed to drive them around and so they're driving these cars around and they're racing through the streets of Beverly Hills and they get video of it.
People get video of these people in million dollar cars running red lights.
This guy in a Porsche GT3 is chasing them, runs a red light or runs a stop sign.
It's fucking crazy to watch.
brendan schaub
So they're just wiling out out here.
joe rogan
There's other people at the intersection.
These guys are flying through the stop sign with a Porsche.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
In Beverly Hills.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so, as the car's pulling in, the Ferrari's smoking, and all these people are taking videos on them.
The whole neighborhood is out.
And they all have their iPhones.
They're videotaping it in the street.
So that happens.
And then right after that happens, this incident happens.
And apparently a lot of these people, they're asking for diplomatic immunity because they're rich.
brendan schaub
Hey, man.
joe rogan
But isn't that amazing?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I can't do that.
joe rogan
Well, this is what they're saying.
Some of these people that do things like that over here, you can't prosecute them because they have something called diplomatic immunity.
brendan schaub
That's insane.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
You know what it probably means?
Is to have a lot of dirt on the people running shit.
We're going to come over and do whatever the fuck we want to do, or we're going to talk.
joe rogan
And more importantly, they make a fuckload of money.
brendan schaub
Shitload of money, yeah.
joe rogan
Every day, all day, every day.
brendan schaub
Dude, look at this.
joe rogan
Yeah, watch this.
The yellow car.
Now watch the Porsche.
Look at this.
The guy doesn't even stop.
There's cars to the left and to the right.
That guy just blows through this neighborhood.
brendan schaub
Hey man, not the Middle East.
Can't do that here.
joe rogan
Well, see, look at all these people in the street and they're filming the Ferrari.
That's like a million dollar car.
brendan schaub
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's a LaFerrari.
I think that's a million-dollar car plus.
It might even be more than a million dollars.
brendan schaub
Oh, is that GT3? There's the Bugatti.
joe rogan
There's the Bugatti Veyron.
I mean, these guys have insane amounts of money, and they're buying up giant houses in Beverly Hills.
brendan schaub
What did Homeboy do with the girl, though, to get in trouble?
unidentified
I bet they do some nasty shit with that cash.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what happened, but I know he got arrested.
I have no idea what the actual reality of the case is, but I know the dude got arrested.
Crazy, right?
eddie bravo
You guys watching Narcos?
joe rogan
I heard it's the shit.
eddie bravo
It makes Game of Thrones look like Harry Potter.
joe rogan
Dude, I keep hearing.
eddie bravo
And it's true.
joe rogan
It's so good.
I'm scared to get into it.
eddie bravo
It's just ten episodes.
I can't do it.
brendan schaub
I knocked out ten in two days.
eddie bravo
Damn.
brendan schaub
Are you done with it yet?
eddie bravo
Yeah, I just finished this week.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, I'm stuck on a bad show right now.
eddie bravo
Empire.
joe rogan
No, the strain.
Is Empire bad?
I heard it's good.
unidentified
You know what?
eddie bravo
It's good.
The first season was good.
If you don't have anything else to watch, it's good.
brendan schaub
Fuck that.
eddie bravo
No, if there's nothing else going on, it's better than watching whatever's on at two in the morning on regular TV. But, man, season two just started.
I just watched the season premiere yesterday.
Whoa.
joe rogan
Dude, Kenny Rogers is finally looking like Kenny Rogers again.
They reversed some of that crazy facial surgery that they did on him.
That was some sad shit, dude.
brendan schaub
He looked like von der Le Silva?
joe rogan
Dude, no.
It didn't look anything like him.
They pulled his face way, way, way too tight.
brendan schaub
Girls do that, too.
joe rogan
Well, they go to a bad doctor.
I mean, apparently if you go to a good doctor that knows what they're doing, they can tighten you up and it looks pretty good.
brendan schaub
I feel like they all look the same.
They all look the exact same.
joe rogan
I think the ones that we're recognizing are the ones that are terrible.
I think that's why we say they all look the same.
I think there's some attractive older women that have had like little nips and tucks.
You know, but I think when we see something like Kenny Rogers, you know, there's something hideous about it, right?
Someone chose to squeeze their face tight to erase some of the lines.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer, man.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, it sucks, too, because, yeah, because especially that guy, who's like this beloved character, you know, the whole The Gambler series.
Oh, sweet left hand!
Oh, fuck sakes!
brendan schaub
But don't you think those guys, like those celebrities, like they're so used to people seeing them for that so they don't want to ever let it go?
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sorry.
We never sync this fucking show up.
We never do.
And I don't...
Jamie, pull up on the screen who these guys are.
Because this is a wild fight.
These guys need credit.
brendan schaub
Really good fight.
joe rogan
The dude who stands southpaw, the guy in the red with white, he's got a nasty left hand.
brendan schaub
They're eating shots.
joe rogan
And these guys are tired, too.
They're in the third round here.
brendan schaub
Are they from, like, tough Japan or some shit with those bullshit shorts?
joe rogan
I didn't bring my laptop today.
brendan schaub
A full short says, UFC road to Japan.
joe rogan
What is that?
brendan schaub
It has to be some sort of...
Oh, this is like the...
Oh my god, they're eating shots.
joe rogan
So here's the gentleman's name.
How do you say that?
brendan schaub
Mizuto Horata.
joe rogan
Mizuto Horata and Teruto Ishihara.
Ishihara is the guy with the crazy hair.
brendan schaub
Didn't they have like a weird mock tough where Barnett and Nelson were the coach or some shit?
joe rogan
Did they?
brendan schaub
And there was like...
joe rogan
I'm so out of the loop.
brendan schaub
It was like on UFC Fight Pass.
Some shit like that.
Like the countdown to Japan.
joe rogan
There's almost too many fighters to pay attention to.
brendan schaub
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
They're at number...
Oh, shit.
Comeback.
Hirota.
Oh, Sweet Right Hand by Hirota.
Oh my goodness.
That dude took a lot of shots, too.
brendan schaub
Dude, have you seen the Japanese ring card girl?
joe rogan
Very pretty.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What an adorable young lady.
unidentified
What?
Good for her.
joe rogan
I'm a fan of, of course, the American ones.
Very beautiful.
brendan schaub
She might went to number one.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
The Japanese one?
unidentified
She's got booty?
brendan schaub
Wait till you see this creature.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this about when it comes to girls' bodies.
Do you prefer...
10 pounds overweight or 10 pounds underweight?
brendan schaub
Ooh, 10 pounds over.
joe rogan
Every time, right?
unidentified
Every time.
brendan schaub
Hey, women, listen up.
joe rogan
10 pounds over.
Little fat ain't gonna hurt nobody.
unidentified
Little belly roll gives you a little extra juicy ass.
brendan schaub
No one wants a bag of bones in the bed.
The only reason they want to be skinny is for other girls.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
When you see those girls walking around the ring, they want to be as skinny as possible.
In this culture, in our culture.
In Brazil, they're not like that, man.
Those girls are thick.
brendan schaub
But they have flat stomachs.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
That's the difference.
They're in very good shape.
The girls are in very good shape.
Well, they're all in very good shape, but there's just so much worry about putting a little weight on.
Anybody, like, a girl that has, like, a little, like, an extra 10 pounds, that's not foreign.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if I'm managing the ring car girls, they're fucking eating Mickey D's.
You know what I'm saying?
At night.
joe rogan
They don't know that, though.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Don't you think that they think that they're...
brendan schaub
No, all they do is drink fucking coffee and water and, like, ice cubes for dinner.
joe rogan
That's all they fucking do.
Especially a few days before.
brendan schaub
100%, yeah.
Nah, nah, nah.
Get that full rack of ribs, girl.
joe rogan
That's crazy, right?
It's crazy.
brendan schaub
It is weird.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing because every guy I talk to almost universally has the same opinion.
Like a little bit of body weight on a girl doesn't bother you at all.
brendan schaub
Dude, you're not my friend if you like skinny bitches.
joe rogan
Lose my number.
brendan schaub
Lose my number, man.
If you like fucking skinny girls, no way.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with liking skinny girls.
I mean, some skinny girls are hot as fuck.
Some girls are just sexy, right?
brendan schaub
I agree.
There's those girls.
joe rogan
But the point, but no one, they don't look hot if they look like they're hungry.
You know?
You're not supposed to look hungry.
I don't want you to be all nervous.
brendan schaub
Me neither, because I'm going to be nervous.
Because I'm going to be nervous.
joe rogan
I'm going to feed this poor kid.
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Just rice at the crib all the time when you come over?
joe rogan
But that idea that these poor models have that they have to be these coat racks.
Like, shit, that's crazy.
That doesn't even make sense.
brendan schaub
Well, it's like guys want to be real big.
Most girls aren't any big muscular dudes.
Just other dudes are.
You know what I'm saying?
eddie bravo
There's guys out there that look at a girl and go, oh my god, she has an amazing body and she's really skinny and has big tits.
They like the big tits and no ass.
There's guys out there like that.
joe rogan
There's a balance thing that I think people recognize.
And there's one thing that a lot of big weightlifter dudes do is if no one's coaching them, they'll get out of fucking balance.
Where they go way titty heavy and way bicep heavy.
unidentified
Titty heavy.
joe rogan
Right?
Then they got these skinny ass necks, and you're like, dude, I know if the weight goes weird on you, you can't handle it.
Look at that skinny neck you have.
What is holding you together?
Like, your pillar.
The whole column in the center is made out of dog shit.
Like, you can't do that.
You can't have giant biceps and a little skinny neck.
It's just crazy.
brendan schaub
Like, those guys that compete in the Olympia, Phil Heath is my boy, but none of those guys are ladies, man.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they don't have all these groupies.
joe rogan
They're so jacked.
They're so jacked, I bet you have to be one of those freaky bodybuilder chicks to be into that.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Or just be a girl.
There's girls that are freaks, right?
brendan schaub
They're freaks, but people like different shows.
There's girls that are bodybuilder type chicks, but they're just not that big.
eddie bravo
They just started, they're like a year and a half into it, where it's perfect.
Yeah, it looks like they're in great shape.
brendan schaub
They're probably going to get too big in a couple years, but they're like white belts of bodybuilding.
If a girl has shoulders, man, if she has like big shoulders, I can't do it.
I can't fucking do it.
joe rogan
You know, I have a theory about like why a girl wouldn't be into a big bodybuilder dude, like that type of a thing.
It wouldn't be bigger is better.
Because I think, like, evolutionarily, like in the girl's DNA, she wants a man that can survive.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think, and everybody knows that a guy like that, like, there's so much maintenance involved, first of all, in staying that big.
It's so preposterous.
It's so unnatural.
And how many flights of stairs can that guy go up before his heart explodes?
brendan schaub
Super fucked.
joe rogan
You mean, for a regular person, like, built like Echebra, built like us, a regular athletic guy, in the gym, you know, I do a few things.
These guys don't have, there's nothing in comparison to the demands that those fucking bodies have.
brendan schaub
Not to mention these bitches are eating fucking chicken breast and asparagus every other day.
Every other hour and just sweating.
joe rogan
And sweating.
brendan schaub
Sweating.
joe rogan
Sweating.
And have no body fat.
Like they're literally close to blacking out every time they stand up.
When those guys get down to that shred.
brendan schaub
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Their ass cheeks have like fucking rubber tire effect.
unidentified
Shredded ass.
Ridiculous.
eddie bravo
You know when girls cross that threshold of...
Their asses and hips start, they lift so much that it's almost like a guy's muscular ass.
You know what I'm talking about?
unidentified
Been there, my man.
eddie bravo
It's a muscular ass!
brendan schaub
Been there, my man.
eddie bravo
It's a muscular ass!
It's round as fuck from the profile.
It looks fucking amazing.
But when you look at it straight back, you're like, she's walking like a dude.
unidentified
Right?
eddie bravo
There's too much lower back.
unidentified
Or for having sex, like, this looks like Shane Carwin.
Straight on.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
eddie bravo
Did I ever tell you about this big 230-pound dude just punked me in front of a girl before?
joe rogan
Oh, no.
eddie bravo
My aunt hooked me up with this chick.
She used to always try to hook me up with chicks, and she's like, I got a new one for you.
She works with me.
Her name is Dawn, and we're gonna go out.
So I went out with Dawn and my aunt.
We went to go meet...
A guy that my aunt was seeing, but he brings this giant 230-pound linebacker.
And so it's three dudes and two chicks.
I'm like, there's a little problem.
We're at Bennigan's.
And she wasn't drinking, so I'm thinking, this is probably not going to happen tonight.
brendan schaub
So we got to go on the dance floor, and this girl's a freak.
eddie bravo
Zero alcohol.
She's a freak.
She's all over me, making out with me.
I'm like, oh, I got this one.
That was in the bag.
We take a break.
We take a break.
Linebacker comes up and asks her to dance.
He's on the dance floor making out.
They're looking at me, giving me this evil look.
I'm like, oh, man.
This guy's totally dominating me, punking me, jungle-like, right there in front of my aunt and this girl.
He's all over Don now, and he owns this girl.
The club's over.
The lights turn on.
The lights turn on, and he's looking at me, and he's leaning against us.
We're trying to figure out what we're going to do, and he's holding our lights, and he goes, where you at?
brendan schaub
Where you at?
eddie bravo
Oh my goodness.
And I'm like, man, I'm right here doing nothing.
Just shriveling up.
It turned into like a nightmare night.
So it's this 1991. There's no cell phones.
So the plan was to meet at my aunt's house, right?
I'm like, okay.
brendan schaub
I drove with them.
eddie bravo
I go, give me the keys.
You guys drank too much.
These guys have to follow us to my aunt's house.
Watch this.
It was a little Honda Prelude.
I'm on the freeway.
My aunt's going, you're going to lose them.
You're going to lose them.
I'm like, no, I'm not.
They're right behind me.
Lost them.
Got back home.
My aunt's on the phone trying to figure, you know, because you got to go to a pay phone to get, then call the house.
That can take 30 minutes.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
Yeah, so I lost them on purpose.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
I think you lost trying to pick up a girl with your aunt and then going to Bennigan's.
unidentified
Those are perfect choices.
joe rogan
Perfect choices if it works out.
If it works out, if at the end of the story, he has the best sex ever.
He and the girl, they smoke a little weed and have the best sex of all time.
eddie bravo
No, it wasn't like that.
unidentified
But if the end of the story was that, I had sex with her for 30 seconds.
eddie bravo
For 30 seconds.
You did?
I wanted to get revenge on her.
joe rogan
Oh, after all this?
eddie bravo
No, I didn't finish it.
We get to my aunt's house.
I take her right back to the...
unidentified
I had no idea.
eddie bravo
I know I had 20, 30 minutes before they were going to figure out where the hell she lived.
I lost her on purpose.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
eddie bravo
So I'm going to get a little revenge here.
So she was all over me.
brendan schaub
She was just a wild girl.
eddie bravo
Had sex with her for 30 seconds, and as soon as I was done, she had just begun.
I said, I got to move my car really quick.
I'm going to get a ticket.
brendan schaub
I'll be right back.
So I got in my car.
eddie bravo
I was gone.
Never heard from her ever again.
brendan schaub
I've never met a hot Don.
joe rogan
Oh, I knew a hot Dawn.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
What was her full name, though?
joe rogan
Donna?
No, I don't remember.
It was just Dawn.
She was hot as fuck.
She was way too smart.
Damn.
I was way too stupid at the time.
I was like 21, and she was at least my age, maybe a year older.
She used to work for this comedy club that I worked at.
She graduated from Harvard with a degree in women's studies.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had terrifying conversations.
brendan schaub
I bet.
joe rogan
She's way too smart.
Dawn's not fucking around.
At the time, I knew it, too.
Never even tried to hit on her.
Never tried to pick her up.
You're intimidated by the brain.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
She was hot, too.
Yeah, I just wasn't ready for that.
brendan schaub
Damn, our boy Kakuno back at it.
joe rogan
Kakuno and Diego Brandao.
brendan schaub
Was his last fight Tony Ferguson?
joe rogan
I think it was.
brendan schaub
We got Merck.
joe rogan
Goddamn Tony Ferguson's scary.
Tony Ferguson is just...
He's capable of fighting 100% of his ability when he gets in there.
brendan schaub
Ooh, he has a tough fight next, though.
joe rogan
He's got a very tough fight.
But Tony Ferguson does not fold up shop.
He's like as steady as a rock.
brendan schaub
He's so game.
joe rogan
He's so game.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen a guy game like him since Ray Diaz.
unidentified
Oh, he's scary.
brendan schaub
Since Nick Diaz.
Yeah, it's insane.
joe rogan
He's scary.
Tony Ferguson's scary.
eddie bravo
His work ethic is incredible.
joe rogan
You can tell.
You can tell.
brendan schaub
For sure, he gets better every fight.
But this next one's a real...
I mean, this is where we decide where he's gonna go.
joe rogan
100%.
He wins this one, off to the races.
Habib Nurmagomedov, for people who don't know what the fight is.
Habib Nurmagomedov is undefeated.
He's a former world Sambo champion.
He's one of the best grapplers in MMA. He's a fucking octopus.
brendan schaub
And he beat the champ already, Dos Anjos.
joe rogan
He's beaten Dos Anjos and he ragdolled him.
He ragdolled Dos Anjos, especially in the second and third round.
He starts breaking guys with his pressure.
His fucking takedowns are nasty.
His ground and pound is nasty.
He's so dominant in grappling.
brendan schaub
But he's coming off that injury.
A long layoff.
So if there's any time to catch him, it's now.
joe rogan
And who knows how much damage he had done to his knee because there was more than one injury.
There were several injuries.
It wasn't just like, hurt it, got it repaired, did the proper due diligence, and then came back.
There was another injury, I believe, during rehab, right?
brendan schaub
So he hurt it, had surgery, went to rehab, did all that, got better, hurt it again.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
So we're dealing with a real problem here.
And it also could be one of the reasons why he's so fucking good.
He's so good because he's this relentless, ferocious bulldog dude.
You know what I mean?
That motherfucker doesn't take a step back.
He attacks!
brendan schaub
That's all those boys at AKA though.
Yeah, well you're right.
joe rogan
Think about it.
Particularly him, especially with the grappling.
brendan schaub
Kane too though.
joe rogan
Kane's got like that too, yeah.
brendan schaub
But look at his injuries.
joe rogan
Both knees and look at DC. DC had a knee injury.
But that's, you know what man, it's like, don't, isn't that like a part of that package?
Like a part of that package is your red line in your body.
brendan schaub
That's what comes with the territory, right?
joe rogan
You're gonna break some shit.
brendan schaub
I sparred DC one time, I was like, what the fuck?
What the fuck are we doing here?
joe rogan
It's pressure, huh?
brendan schaub
Just coming.
Every round.
How many want to go?
Shop eight?
Nah, man.
unidentified
I'm cool.
brendan schaub
He just keeps coming.
Keeps coming.
I've never seen anything like it.
joe rogan
That's what happens when you work with Kane.
Him and Kane both feed off each other.
And I think that was a huge contributing factor to who he is right now.
brendan schaub
Oh, I agree 100%.
You get that Olympic drive, and then those two get together?
joe rogan
Both of them together.
What?
Just fucking sharpening each other.
brendan schaub
And he toss Rockhold into the mix?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
And a bunch of other guys there now, too.
brendan schaub
A ton of other guys.
joe rogan
A bunch of other guys there now.
But Rockhold, right now, on fire.
That's a big fight, that fucking December fight.
brendan schaub
I think it's the best fight in middleweight history.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think you're right.
I think other than the Vanderlei, not Vanderlei, other than the Anderson-Weidman, the first fight, before Weidman knocked him out, but before that fight, that was the biggest fight in history.
Because Weidman was a crusher.
We knew Weidman was a crusher.
We saw what Weidman did to Munoz.
We saw this dude who just looks unstoppable.
He's just tough as shit.
Super solid wrestler, knockout power.
And then Anderson was the motherfucker.
And before that fight, that was the biggest fight.
brendan schaub
But somewhere before that, when he got in, I feel like we've seen the best of Anderson.
joe rogan
We didn't know that, though.
The fight before that was the Bonner fight, man.
The fight before, but he looked like he was in the Matrix.
unidentified
Joe, look at me.
Joe.
joe rogan
No, you know.
brendan schaub
I know, it's Bonner, though.
joe rogan
You're right, you're right.
Bonner's not at the same level, but the way he won was so shocking.
brendan schaub
It was insane, I agree.
joe rogan
That everybody was terrified of him after that.
brendan schaub
And Bonner's on some shit.
joe rogan
And he was on some shit.
And then before that he had destroyed Chael, the Vitor front kick.
I mean look, Anderson hadn't even been in trouble except for the Chael fight and everybody knew he came into that fight with injured ribs.
Pretty much after the fight everybody knew, right?
brendan schaub
True.
I just feel like, I feel like Weidman's beating dudes in their prime right now.
Rockhold's beating dudes in their prime.
You're talking about fucking monsters.
And now these two meet, they're both young in their prime.
joe rogan
But before Weidman and Anderson fought, Weidman, or Anderson rather, was considered the greatest pound for pound fighter ever.
brendan schaub
I agree.
I just think at some point, maybe it was that fight, maybe it was in camp, he lost that edge.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
It could have been that he lost that edge, or it could be Weidman's just that motherfucker.
He's just that good.
brendan schaub
He could be that motherfucker.
joe rogan
But before that fight, I think that was the biggest fight of all time.
And I think it still holds up.
I think this is right up there with that.
brendan schaub
I just feel like style-wise, Rockhold, Weidman's a better style matchup.
Like, Weidman...
I don't know, man.
I do.
joe rogan
I thought Anderson-Weidman was an amazing style matchup.
unidentified
I didn't.
joe rogan
Because I was like, how is Weidman going to deal with him on the feet?
brendan schaub
You know what?
Because I was going off Chael and Anderson, and Chael could kind of do whatever he wanted.
Kept taking him down, kept taking him down, right?
That first fight.
joe rogan
First fight.
brendan schaub
And kind of basically beat him, then ended up fucking up at the very end, getting caught in that triangle.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
I feel like Weidman's a better striker than Chael, better wrestler.
So I feel like you put those together, if he wanted to, he could make it a boring fight and win that fight every time.
joe rogan
You got a good point, especially about Wyman's submission ability.
brendan schaub
Ooh, he's nasty.
joe rogan
His submission ability is definitely better.
Chael's is underrated.
I mean, Chael did submit Shogun.
He caught him in that guillotine.
I don't think anyone expected that.
Chael can submit, guys.
Who did he arm triangle?
Did he arm triangle Stan?
brendan schaub
Stan.
joe rogan
He's a motherfucker, man.
He's a strong, powerful wrestler.
You know, Chael's had inconsistent performances, but when he was at his best, like in that Anderson fight especially, dude, how about the Marquardt fight?
He's fucking nasty.
I mean, Chael Sonnen can fight his dick off.
brendan schaub
I agree.
Chael's as tough as they come.
joe rogan
I love Chael.
Weidman is a really good wrestler, but I think Chael, at his best, he showed the same level of wrestling ability.
brendan schaub
But as far as a mixed martial artist, as a mixed martial artist, Chris Weidman's striking is nasty.
joe rogan
Much more dangerous with his power.
Like, did you see the Ryan Hall fight?
Did you see that fight?
brendan schaub
Yes, back in the day.
joe rogan
Nasty.
In the same left hook, the same left hook.
brendan schaub
Chael's never been like a really good striker.
joe rogan
No, not nearly like that.
brendan schaub
But Weidman can put it together.
Chael looked good.
joe rogan
He looked good in the Anderson fight, the first round when he caught Anderson with a straight left.
brendan schaub
True, he did.
He came out striking, yeah.
joe rogan
But the difference, I think, is that Wyman is a crusher.
He crushes guys.
And he has you hurt, he turns into a fucking monster.
And he turns it on and smashes you.
You know, you saw that in the first Uriah Hall fight.
You've seen it in a bunch of the fucking...
The Munoz fight was one of the most terrifying.
brendan schaub
That elbow?
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
I think Wyman Rockhold is definitely a fight for the ages.
But I'm as excited about that as I was the Anderson-Wyman fight.
brendan schaub
For some reason, I'm more excited about it.
joe rogan
I couldn't get any more.
I mean, both of those fights, to me, that's like the top of the heap.
brendan schaub
I agree.
I see that.
joe rogan
But you know what I'm saying?
I don't think this is the biggest one ever.
I think they're both like the same level of huge.
I think the Anderson-Weidman fight is just as big as this.
This is this, you know, that fight was a crazy fight.
And the way it ended with Anderson clowning him and Weidman catching him with that left hook.
I mean, while it was happening, I could not fucking believe my eyes.
brendan schaub
I think it kind of fucked Weidman because no one took him serious, and then they fight the rematch, then fucking Anderson's leg falls off, right?
And then we're like, fuck, man.
But then Weidman finally kind of gets his credit when he fights Machida, right?
And then he destroys Vitor.
But he still, like, Weidman to me should be the biggest star in the UFC. All-American dude, beats the very best at 185. I don't give a fuck what division you want to talk about.
185, he's American, he speaks well, he's super smart, right?
He's a family guy.
I don't know why he's not a bigger star.
joe rogan
You got a really good point, man.
That's a really good point.
I mean, it's not like he doesn't have the ability.
brendan schaub
No, he's like fucking our Nolan Ryan.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
You think it's because people just don't know?
brendan schaub
I don't know what it is.
He's not a shit talker, right?
He's not a big shit talker, but inside the hot gun, he is a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Dude, he's got something.
There's something about him that you can tell.
When guys go eye to eye with him, they see it in him.
It's weird.
There's a few guys like that.
When guys lock eyes with him, they see it in them.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
And he's one of those.
And that's why the Anderson stare-down with him was so interesting.
When Anderson got mouth-to-mouth with him, and Weidman looked at him and goes, I'm not afraid of you, dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
But there was a reality to it.
There was a reality to it that Anderson was like, oh, shit.
brendan schaub
He's in some shit.
joe rogan
What have I done?
brendan schaub
You know Weidman wants to fight at, he wants to fight Jon Jones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He wants to fight Jon Jones in Madison Square Garden.
joe rogan
But it's still illegal, though.
brendan schaub
He 100% thinks he can beat him.
Well, it's illegal, and Jon Jones has some shit going on right now.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know what's going on with the Jon Jones situation, but...
brendan schaub
I know he comes fresh out of prison, beats the fuck out of anyone in the world.
joe rogan
He might not have to go to prison.
unidentified
What do you guys think about the...
joe rogan
I don't know what the rules are to you.
brendan schaub
I have no idea.
I want to see him back, man.
joe rogan
I just don't want him to keep repeating this kind of behavior.
I think I like John.
At his best, John's a fucking really interesting, intelligent guy with a crazy amount of stress, a crazy amount of responsibility.
brendan schaub
We don't have a fighter like him in the UFC right now.
We just don't.
joe rogan
Well, he's definitely different than everybody else.
eddie bravo
What about Nick Diaz?
What do you guys feel about that?
joe rogan
It's the worst travesty I've ever heard of.
brendan schaub
It's an ego thing.
joe rogan
In any of the regulatory decisions that I've ever heard about.
eddie bravo
Isn't a senator getting involved as well today as any talking shit?
brendan schaub
They took his livelihood from him.
Five years for Nick Diaz is over, man.
joe rogan
Not only that, they did it based on one test that's not nearly as accurate as the other two tests.
The other two tests which were run by the World Anti-Doping Agency, the ones that take blood.
Those are way more accurate.
And those, he passed two of them.
He passed two of those blood tests.
brendan schaub
That's so fucked up.
joe rogan
And then they take this urine test, and they run it through this laboratory, but urine is just not nearly as accurate.
It's just not.
So, them getting on him for that is fucking crazy.
And then, you know, I think they were upset that he took the fifth.
Okay, four minutes, 56 seconds right now in the Kakuno-Diego-Brandau fight.
This is an interesting fight.
Kakuno, if you've never seen him before, he's got a weird style.
Oh!
Brandau cracked him!
brendan schaub
A style that does not work, everybody.
joe rogan
Well, Tony Ferguson lit him up.
That style did not work with Tony.
unidentified
Well, he's getting lit up right now.
joe rogan
Oh, shit, he got cracked again.
Hey, for sure keep your hands up though, huh?
Jesus.
Diego's ragged on my big right hand.
eddie bravo
Oh, that fence.
joe rogan
Diego's got him fucked up.
That's it.
Diego Brandow.
brendan schaub
Homeboy needs to change his style.
Vicious stoppage.
Good God.
joe rogan
Vicious stoppage by Diego Brandow.
eddie bravo
That was like Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and shit.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler went a full round, believe it or not.
Went into the second round when Hagler stopped him.
brendan schaub
God, that was an ass whooping.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Maybe let's go back to the drawing board, huh?
Put your hands up.
joe rogan
Well, Kakuno, he used to have a lot of success with that.
He has like a 45-degree front kick that he throws.
Have you seen it?
It's like a combination of a roundhouse kick and a front kick.
It's real weird.
And we hit guys right in the liver with it.
And it's fucking nasty, man.
Eddie, you've seen it before.
You're the one who told me about it.
You were the first one who told me about it.
You're like, have you ever seen this guy in Japan?
He's throwing this kick.
You go, I don't think it's a roundhouse kick, but it ain't like a front kick.
It's like something different.
eddie bravo
It's in between.
He's throwing like a side snapping front snap kick with the balls of your feet to the liver.
brendan schaub
Not anymore.
joe rogan
You know what?
When you throw a round kick, when you throw a round kick and you hit with the shin, it's probably the most powerful way you can throw it because your foot doesn't give in.
Like when you throw a kick with your foot, your foot kind of gives a little and you can hurt someone, but it's not nearly as effective with the ball of the foot as it is with the heel.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
The heel's way more effective, because the heel doesn't have any give.
Like this, you can have a little bit of resistance because of your foot, and it's like hitting someone with a cushion behind it.
But the way Kakuno was doing it, you could tell he had done it so many times, and his technique was so sharp, there was not much movement in his foot.
And when he would pull his foot back, he would really dig the ball of the foot in there.
It was like really high-level stuff.
A lot of Kyokushin guys are really good at that.
They develop that ability to throw those front snap kicks.
The technique gets so sharp that at the end of it, they're so good at thrusting the ball of the foot in there.
I think it's another one of those kicks, man, we're starting to see more of.
Cowboy uses that a lot now.
He used that on Jim Miller.
He's throwing that front kick to the body.
unidentified
It's a teep.
joe rogan
But it's the same thing.
You're hitting the guy with the ball of the foot to the body.
unidentified
Anderson did it.
joe rogan
Conor did it to Chad.
brendan schaub
Conor did it.
joe rogan
Conor does it a lot.
brendan schaub
To the body, yeah.
Anderson did it to the face.
joe rogan
Yep.
Anderson did it to the face.
He was doing it to the liver.
eddie bravo
He was aiming just for the liver.
But he hasn't done it in the UFC. He's done it a few times in Japan.
And he's got some heavy hands, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He has a great combo where he'll open you up with the hands and then he'll just to land that thing and then vice versa.
joe rogan
Well, he hit Tony in that fight.
I mean, he definitely caught Tony with some good shots.
Tony can take a punch too, man.
I just think Tony hits even harder.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he might be the hardest hitter at that.
joe rogan
He's ferocious.
Tony Ferguson's ferocious.
brendan schaub
Hey, back to that Diaz thing though.
What do they do?
What can you do?
joe rogan
I think they sue.
I think they take it to court and I think they win easy.
I don't think there's a problem with winning.
I think if you look at the facts, the fact that he passed two water tests that are much more stringent, The fact that there's a threshold that they don't want you to be high while you're competing.
I think that's reasonable.
But the threshold is very low.
The threshold is so high that you could have smoked pot a couple of days ago and you should pass, according to Jeff Nowitzki.
And Jeff Nowitzki should know, right?
So I think they're reasonable about it.
I think what's unreasonable is they're not willing to take into consideration those other two tests.
Like, if they looked at the chain of custody from the time the blood was drawn, it was all done to the water standard, which is, you know, world anti-doping, right?
If it was done to that standard, they should accept that.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Those are better, more stringent tests.
And in fact, they shouldn't even need to perform their own tests as long as there's no suspicion of corruption, there's no suspicion that someone's changing results or trying to protect a fighter.
And the UFC doesn't do that.
Look, if they did, I mean, look at all the fucking different people that have been popped.
You know, they wouldn't want those guys pop.
Although, did you hear the Belfort thing?
Did you hear that thing?
brendan schaub
I was just gonna bring that up.
eddie bravo
What's the latest?
brendan schaub
No, you're right.
joe rogan
I thought about it while I was saying it.
brendan schaub
But while you were saying it, I was like, well...
When you're best friends with Lorenzo.
joe rogan
Well, he had, apparently, they had accidentally sent out some results of one of Vitor's tests before he fought Jon Jones, and he had been flagged as having high testosterone.
But I think this is while he had a testosterone exemption.
So I think the issue is not that he used testosterone.
I think he was allowed to then.
That was back when the UFC was kind of involved in, you know, they were allowed to have testosterone use exemptions.
brendan schaub
TUEs.
joe rogan
Correct.
I don't think he was doing anything illegal.
I think it was just high.
So I think, like, they were talking about it in an article I read that the doctor would tell you, like, say if your upper threshold is like 1,200, which is apparently, like, really crazy, right?
If the doctor saw that you were at 1,100 when they test you, they're like, look, you're a little high.
Like, 10 above 10 is high, so we want you to drop your dose down a little bit.
And that's what their explanation was.
brendan schaub
And do we know what Vitor was at?
joe rogan
Well, I know at one point he was tested at 1475. Good God!
Yeah, which is like, that's super silverback, werewolf, hyena dick.
That's fucked up, man.
brendan schaub
That's dangerous as fuck.
joe rogan
But people have tested real high before.
I mean, Nate Marquardt was actually pulled out of a fight.
Charlie Brenneman took his place last minute and won against Rick Story.
Crazy fucking fight.
Biggest fight of Charlie's career.
And they pulled Nate out because of his results.
brendan schaub
He was that high.
joe rogan
He was that high.
Like, he had an exemption.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they looked at his results, and they're like, what?
What?
brendan schaub
What are you doing?
And I know Nate...
You know, I know Nate...
Well, I know the...
joe rogan
It's tough.
It's tough.
When fighters are relying on doctors, here's another issue.
Yes, there you go.
Could you tell him how much to take?
The only one who knows how much he's going to take to put him in his legal limit is his doctor.
Now, if his doctor gives him the same amount every week, and then he's giving it to him on a Monday, and Nate's getting tested on a Friday, he's had a chance for his levels to naturally go lower.
brendan schaub
There you go.
joe rogan
But when a guy's about to fight, the doctor may likely say for best performance, like if you want to fight at your best, you should have it as high as possible.
So take your injection right before you weigh in or something along those lines.
And that way it'll be at its peak the next day.
brendan schaub
Or even if you're used to getting a shot on Monday and you're flying out to the fight on Tuesday and you do a day late can fuck with the results.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
That Nate's not used to.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the point is that when he was at the peak, whatever his peak was, if that was normal, that he was taken at that level, that's not even human.
These are what you call hyperhuman levels, what doctors refer to as hyperhuman levels.
You get to certain levels, like 1,500, 1,600.
Jesus Christ, you go into those freak bodybuilder levels.
brendan schaub
What are they?
Yeah, what are the bodybuilders at?
Do we know?
joe rogan
Those guys, they're not even human.
brendan schaub
They take so much growth.
joe rogan
They're so ridiculously muscular and so just overwhelmingly cartoonishly powerful.
Like you look at just striated.
They get addicted to that, man.
brendan schaub
Dude, I look at those guys and I think, what's the end of the road like for those guys?
Like how long can you run it?
I think you just get fat after a while.
joe rogan
No, no, look at...
unidentified
You can't.
joe rogan
No, look at...
What's his face?
Homeboy from England.
Dorian Yates is one of the best of all time.
He's in his 50s now.
He's fit, healthy.
He looks thick.
He's thick like you.
He's not thick like freakish.
He's thick like an athlete.
He looks good, man.
He's super open about it.
Talks about all the shit he took.
Talks about what everybody does.
I mean, he's super open about it.
Tells you exactly what his dosage were.
He wasn't any higher than anybody else.
But he also highlights that the reason why he got so good, the reason why he was Mr. Olympia, was he was willing to fucking work harder.
Like, it wasn't just the drugs.
brendan schaub
No, they're all on juice, but there's a difference.
It's a work ethic.
However, not a sport.
joe rogan
Not a sport.
It's something different.
How can you say that that is like boxing?
Boxing is a sport.
Soccer is a sport.
You're trying to win, right?
You're trying to do something faster and move quicker.
When you don't move, your whole thing is standing still.
brendan schaub
This is your shit.
joe rogan
Your shit is this.
Standing still.
It's an art form.
It's not one that I'm really into.
brendan schaub
When you think about it, it's pretty homosexual, man.
It's other dudes judging dudes' body.
joe rogan
Think about it.
You know what, man?
There's definitely a little weirdness to it.
I wouldn't say homosexual.
It's self-congratulatory.
What would you say?
There's something silly about it.
brendan schaub
You ever seen my boy Kai Greene before?
Some shit that he did to make ends meet?
joe rogan
What?
I'm preparing myself.
You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
What are you looking for, brother?
Grab some, man.
Yeah, I'll take one.
Thank you.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'll take a beer, brother.
Brandon.
joe rogan
Before we get going, thanks to Grillo's Pickles for hooking us up again.
brendan schaub
Those are the best.
joe rogan
They're the shit.
He's growing now.
He's selling them in Whole Foods and all over the place.
brendan schaub
Of course.
They're delicious.
joe rogan
I met this dude in...
I met this dude in a park in Boston.
He was in the park.
I was filming this scene in a movie with Kevin James.
And some dude had a pickle cart.
Thank you, brother.
And I was like, a pickle cart?
Who the fuck has a pickle cart?
So I walked up to the dude.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
I was like, that's pretty interesting.
He goes, yeah, would you like a sample?
He was smart, man.
Their pickles are so fucking good, he's just handing out pickles.
And we were like, oh shit, he's very clever, man.
brendan schaub
Delicious.
joe rogan
So I do a show at the Wilbur Theater, and dude gave out free pickles.
Instead of like selling pickles, the dude just gave out free pickles in the lobby.
Like, just giving people pickles.
brendan schaub
Guerrilla marketing, just doing the damn thing.
joe rogan
And you become an addict.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're so good.
unidentified
And they're healthy.
brendan schaub
They're delicious.
joe rogan
Pickles are good for you.
They're like one of those weird snacks where it's okay to eat.
There's nothing bad about it.
brendan schaub
It's true.
unidentified
I believe you.
brendan schaub
You know the pickle juice has electrolytes.
joe rogan
I'm not sure.
I want to believe you.
Well, certain ones have sugar in them.
brendan schaub
Certain ones have sugar in them, but the pickle juice, people drink for electrolytes.
We still have it on the sidelines.
joe rogan
This is the Tyron Woodley-Johnny Hendricks fight.
Didn't Woodley say that Johnny Hendricks bit him?
Didn't he say he bit him or some shit?
He grabbed his face.
But see, you know what, man?
That's like a frozen moment in time.
It's real hard unless you see the actual video of what it looked like when the hand made contact with the face.
Because everybody knows that in the middle of a crazy grappling session, occasionally a hand will go where it's not supposed to go.
brendan schaub
And who gives a shit if he bit him?
Look at the kind of shape he's in.
Wow.
joe rogan
They're both in amazing shape.
brendan schaub
Both amazing fighters, man.
joe rogan
It's a really interesting fight, man.
Woodley is training a lot now with Duke, Duke Rufus.
brendan schaub
Help his striking out?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's his biggest problem, is his striking, really.
joe rogan
Well, I wouldn't say it's his problem.
I think he's, you know, I think his...
He's almost got, like, too much of a gift in his power and speed.
And when you use that gift, you know, he can do shit.
Like, the way he can move, he can move, like, as fast as anybody, if not faster than anybody.
But that requires a lot of energy.
And you've got to know when to do it and when not to do it.
brendan schaub
A lot of oxygen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I think he has, because of that, he has a...
It's...
Compared to a guy who doesn't have that kind of horsepower, he has like a unique situation.
He has to really like figure out when to sprint and when to lay back.
And I think you saw way more than the Kelvin Gastelum fight.
And that was a fight that he worked with Duke.
Duke is like such a smart polished striker that I think Tyron can only get better trained with him.
But at the end of the day, what's scary about that dude is always that fucking bum rush, man.
brendan schaub
See, I think with Woodley that's what he has.
You know what I think?
joe rogan
I think you get better at everything.
I think that's it.
I don't think like saying, hey, the only way you can win this is a sprint.
I think that guy's getting better.
brendan schaub
So you think he can up his cardio?
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I think he changes his approach.
Changes his approach just slightly, be a little bit more efficient, and, you know, just know when to sprint, when not.
And I think that comes with the experience, too, don't you?
brendan schaub
I agree.
He has a lot of fights, though.
joe rogan
He does have a lot of fights.
But, you know, coming into it as a wrestler, when you think about the actual amount of strike, here you see him, like, look how fast the fucking dude is.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
He's a fucking monster.
joe rogan
I think when you look at his actual striking experience, though, it's not nearly as much as, say, his grappling experience.
brendan schaub
100%.
elizabeth holmes
You know, so he's got to catch up in a certain way.
joe rogan
That was a crazy fight.
Him and Kosciak, Jesus Christ.
That was the big one, the Jay Heron fight.
That was the one where you say, Jesus, if this dude's bum rushes you, you've got a fucking terrifying problem.
But then it didn't work in the Rory McDonald fight.
Rory McDonald figured out a way how to solve the riddle that is that big right hand and the bum rush.
Kept his hands up high and did that extension thing with his arms.
He was throwing a lot of jabs.
brendan schaub
Rory's going to drag you in the later rounds.
joe rogan
Well, Rory avoided all the craziness.
He avoided all the craziness.
And that's Faraz, dude.
Faraz Sahabi.
He's a wizard.
unidentified
He's a beast.
joe rogan
You ever see his breakdowns?
He breaks down fights and talks about technique and why guys are good at it.
He's one of my favorite guys on the planet.
brendan schaub
I think as far as MMA coaches go, he's number one.
He's the best I've ever been around.
joe rogan
Well, Matt Hume's pretty goddamn good, too.
eddie bravo
He's revolutionizing guard point.
brendan schaub
Think about his guys.
GSP and then Roy McDonald.
He's had those guys since day one.
joe rogan
Well, there's a few guys right now that I think they're all in the mix.
I think your boy Mark Henry's in the mix.
For sure.
He's so underrated, that guy.
brendan schaub
But he's all striking.
Like, for us, he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, ridiculous kickboxer, great boxer.
I'm just talking about straight MMA coach.
Monster.
eddie bravo
Didn't he wrestle in college, too?
brendan schaub
He did something.
joe rogan
But you know what, dude?
How do you fuck with Matt Hume?
I mean, look at Matt Hume's best student.
His best student is pound for pound the best guy on the planet Earth today.
Mighty Mouse may be fighting guys that are small and they may be not the same sort of talent pool.
But you can't tell me John Dodson is a motherfucker.
John Dodson is a goddamn motherfucker and Mighty Mouse shut him down and did so in the most efficient and impressive way I've ever seen.
brendan schaub
Mighty Mouse is top five.
joe rogan
Barely got hit.
brendan schaub
He's not my number one.
He's top five.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, you know, it's all subjective, right?
brendan schaub
Oh, I agree.
joe rogan
But he's my number one.
I think he's the best.
And you watch Matt Hume and him work together.
You watch all the strategy that's involved and all the thinking and all the technique and the footwork.
100%.
Those two guys, man, you want to have a super team?
Jesus Christ.
Farras Ahabi and Matt Hume on the same team.
brendan schaub
Well, what's impressive with Matt Hume is at that lighter weight, you have to be good at fucking everything.
unidentified
No holes.
joe rogan
Zero holes.
brendan schaub
And Mighty Mouse has that.
He's a black belt in everything.
World class in everything.
joe rogan
He's also so fucking sneaky, man.
He's so sneaky.
Like when he's moving on those dudes, like when I'm watching him move on dots and I'm like, this motherfucker and his footwork, like it's never the same beat.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like one, two, one, two, one, two.
There's all this sporadic shit that your brain has to try to process.
And that's something that Feroz has talked about too, like overloading a dude's mind with possibilities.
And I think Feroz is really the only guy I've ever heard articulate it, but you can see it in the movements of Mighty Mouse.
That's clearly what they're trying to initiate.
brendan schaub
Bro, let's talk about Chris Weidman needs to do something.
Mighty Mouse, we gotta figure something out.
joe rogan
We gotta figure something out.
brendan schaub
We need a gimmick.
I don't know if he comes in with a cape.
We gotta do something, man.
joe rogan
We gotta figure something out.
I just hope if we keep talking about him, people will eventually figure it out.
eddie bravo
So what's the big fight for Mighty Mouse?
Maybe Henry Cejudo?
joe rogan
Henry Cejudo's a big fight, but now Henry Cejudo says he won't fight in Vegas because of Nick Diaz.
eddie bravo
And he doesn't even smoke weed.
joe rogan
He doesn't even smoke weed.
But for him, it's a matter of principle.
brendan schaub
Every UFC fighter should do this.
You want to make a fucking change, just say, hey, we're not fighting in Vegas.
eddie bravo
You think they'll change it?
Or they'll just say, fuck it?
unidentified
I think they would.
brendan schaub
There's so much money.
eddie bravo
You think they're going to change it?
joe rogan
I do.
I think they're going to lose the lawsuit, first of all.
eddie bravo
I'm pretty sure they're going to lose the lawsuit.
That lawsuit's for real.
They're gonna go.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
They can't let this happen.
And by the way, they've already lost when they had a lifetime ban on Vanderlei Silva.
They lost that.
You can't do that.
You can't give a guy a lifetime ban.
You can't callously take away a man's livelihood when he didn't even test positive.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Vanderlei didn't do the right thing by avoiding the test.
brendan schaub
He ran.
joe rogan
He ran.
We don't know what he was on.
We don't know what the situation was.
We know what he said.
Okay?
But all I'm saying is we lay it out.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
You have to punish him, for sure, right?
There has to be some sort of punishment.
But the idea of taking away the man's livelihood as a punishment for escaping a drug test that if he was positive for, would only get at the time, I think it was a nine-month suspension that was mandatory, right?
You can't do that.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
joe rogan
That's a tyranny.
brendan schaub
Don't you think just these fucks who check guys' piss and blood are the baddest dudes on the planet just trying to...
Flex their muscle.
They go home at night like, yeah, he's banned for life.
I fucked that dude.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is, man?
I think it's the same problem that we have with cops in a lot of ways.
It becomes a game of trying to win.
When you hear about prosecutors, and when you hear about cops that are hiding evidence, and prosecutors that are avoiding evidence, or evidence that shows that the person that they're trying to convict may be innocent, you hear about those stories, you go, how could someone do that?
brendan schaub
It's an ego thing.
joe rogan
They do that also because they want the score.
They want to win.
Why do people cheat when it comes to card games or pool?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you want to win.
joe rogan
They do it because they want to win.
It becomes a score thing.
And when you're arresting people, it becomes a score.
brendan schaub
It's so fucked up, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking terrible.
brendan schaub
Think about if all the fighters got together like, you know what?
You want to treat our boy Nick Diaz like this?
We're not fucking fighting in Vegas.
But the big dogs do this.
Connor, Rhonda, fucking Kane.
We're like, until you change this, until you change us, we're not coming there.
Guaranteed, we see fucking change really, really fast.
joe rogan
A lot of people were disappointed in something Mighty Mouse said earlier this week.
I didn't read the quote, though.
brendan schaub
He said he would fight.
joe rogan
But there was a quote that people were upset about, a very particular quote.
I don't remember what it was.
I don't know what it was.
I want to paraphrase it.
brendan schaub
Can we get Mighty Mouse a PR guy something?
unidentified
I don't know what's wrong, man.
brendan schaub
Can we get Conor McGregor in his ear or some shit?
joe rogan
I don't know what's wrong.
brendan schaub
What about that case where those kids in Paradise Lost, they get accused of murdering these boys in the woods because they thought the dumbass cops in the small town, they thought it was a satanic ritual because they're The animals would come and they eat the balls and they eat the dick.
Oh, the documentary?
You're talking about a documentary?
Yeah, that documentary, Paradise Lost.
eddie bravo
You gotta see this in three parts.
joe rogan
Oh, the animals would eat the balls and dicks, so they thought that these guys ate the balls?
unidentified
Satanic!
eddie bravo
The Satanic!
So they went to the high school and found the goth kids and fucking prosecuted them.
joe rogan
So what happened to the boys?
eddie bravo
They were in jail for like 17, 20 years.
joe rogan
No, the boys who got their dicks eaten.
How'd they die?
eddie bravo
They ended up...
brendan schaub
They got their dicks eaten off!
eddie bravo
They got murdered.
They got murdered, but they went after the goth kids because they thought it was a satanic murder.
Who knows who did it?
So they never found the guys.
But when you look into the story, man, it's deep, dude.
brendan schaub
It's three parts, paradise loss.
eddie bravo
Dude, they were in jail.
And they knew it.
And when they finally figured out that they didn't do it, they decided to say there was so much pressure with the Supreme Court.
They didn't want to lose so bad that they said, hey, we'll let you guys out of prison right now, but you got to admit that you did it.
Wow.
Instead of dragging on another couple years, they let them out as long as they...
joe rogan
Admitted that they did it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
So they got them off the hook and then they let them out.
eddie bravo
They still won.
They got a conviction.
That was the most important thing.
joe rogan
By the way, George Roop is in the middle of fighting Mitsugaki right now.
Four minutes, 22 seconds into the first round.
It's a fucking scrap so far.
brendan schaub
Bro, I haven't seen George Roop fight in a grip.
Did I just miss something?
joe rogan
Mitsugaki, did he have a fight after the Dominick Cruz fight?
brendan schaub
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
Dominick Cruz made him take a vacation.
unidentified
Murphed him.
brendan schaub
Straight vacation.
joe rogan
It's time to just lay back.
unidentified
Just fucking chill out, huh?
joe rogan
Figure out what the fuck just happened.
brendan schaub
I hear ya.
joe rogan
Dominic Cruz came out like a wildebeest.
brendan schaub
Sight in TJ. Dillashaw, that's a fight.
joe rogan
Fuck.
unidentified
That's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
I hope he stays healthy.
brendan schaub
I hope his knee doesn't fall off.
joe rogan
He's a beast, dude.
He came running like some sort of a wild animal at him.
I mean, that was what it was like.
He beat the fuck out of him.
Like a Tasmanian devil swarmed on him.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then after when I was talking to him, he's like, dude, I barely even remember the fight.
brendan schaub
He just saw red.
joe rogan
He just went into the zone, like immediately into the zone.
See, one of the things I like about Dominic specifically is the way he thinks about fighting.
And you see that when he does the UFC analyst position, when he starts talking about, like, especially post-fight breakdowns of what guys did wrong.
And he's really, really aware of, like, movement and technique, very, very on top of the sport, you know, constantly.
brendan schaub
Yes, him and D.C. are probably the two smartest guys I know about the sport.
As far as current fighters talking about the sport, you listen to Dominick Cruz talk, you're like, Jesus Christ.
Like, he was helping Chael out before.
I forget who Chael was going to fight, but we were working out together, and he was discussing these angles and his footwork.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, he has his PhD in footwork.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a wizard.
And I think he opened up a lot of guys' eyes as to how frustrating that shit was.
You know, I think a lot of people, you know, he's one of those, there's these innovators, these fighters that will take, like, these steps.
And when they take these steps, like, you see everybody else go, oh, okay.
brendan schaub
It's a copycat league.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Well, as a sport, I mean, I think the sport is still, first of all, there's more variables, I think, in mixed martial arts than there are in any other combat sport by far, right?
We could easily agree to that.
And I think that just the unique demands of combat sports, the ability to keep your emotions in check, and to deal with getting your fucking bell rung, getting blasted while you're in there, those variables, there's so many.
And then, the different ways you can fight.
The fact that you can take a fight to the ground, the fact that you have to avoid a guy trying to take you to the ground, the fact that while you're thinking about the guy trying to take you to the ground, he can punch you in the face, because you're looking for it.
There's so many variables going on.
We're not even remotely done with figuring out what's the best way to do this thing.
brendan schaub
I don't know if we ever will be.
joe rogan
I don't think we ever will.
brendan schaub
I think it's constantly evolving.
eddie bravo
Just jiu-jitsu alone, you don't have enough time to master at all.
There's too many techniques in jiu-jitsu to master.
You add the wrestling, and then you add the kickboxing.
brendan schaub
And body type.
And certain body types.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
The Haja Gracie body, right?
Arguably the best, right?
That's the best body for the long, strong guys.
eddie bravo
His striking's getting better, right?
Haja Gracie?
It seems like, I don't know if he's still fighting, but his last fight, he won, and it looked like his jab.
joe rogan
Did he decide to stop doing MMA? I think so, yeah, he's focusing on Jiu-Jitsu.
unidentified
Did he?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he decided.
eddie bravo
He won his last fight and then just said, fuck it?
joe rogan
I think so.
brendan schaub
I'm not positively retired, but I know he's doing way more Jiu-Jitsu.
eddie bravo
It seemed like his striking was finally coming together.
One of the nicest guys ever.
Good footwork and good jab.
brendan schaub
Good dude.
joe rogan
I'm a big fan.
I'm a big fan of his jiu-jitsu too.
But you know who impressed the shit out of me in the Neil Magni fight is Damian Maia.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
Christ, he's a boa constrictor.
I mean, I knew it from the Rick Story fight.
I saw in the Rick Story fight, I'm like, this is like a next level constrictor.
You know, especially when he gets down to 170, he's a big ass 170. At 185, he was like a good size.
He wasn't like undersized.
But at 170, you can tell that with his technique and then the strength and leverage, the long limbs advantage that he's having...
brendan schaub
He's on a tear right now.
Super tear.
joe rogan
But it's the way he took the back, and then when I talked to him about it afterwards, after the fight, he was talking about the adjustments that he had to make to get Neil Magny's back and to finish him off because of how he was defending.
I'm like, guys, he's on a very, very high level.
brendan schaub
Super high level.
I can't think of a worse matchup for Neil.
Then Neil took that fight against Eric Silva and then won that fight, so he's back on track.
joe rogan
The Eric Silva fight was a good fight.
It was weird.
It was weird to see Eric Silva look like that, right?
A lot of people had questions about the way he looked physically.
This is just something we're going to have to deal with in the middle of this drug testing environment now.
Everyone's under suspicion, right?
When you come in and your body looks radically different than it did before, Immediately people are going to suspect.
brendan schaub
Don't you think people have the right to suspect?
joe rogan
For sure.
eddie bravo
Is there steroids in boxing?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You serious?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Well, they haven't figured out how to clean.
Boxing's been around for 7,000 years and they haven't figured out how to keep that together.
They don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something right now.
Let me tell you something right now.
The amount of testing that the UFC fighters go through is above and beyond anything you ever see ever in boxing.
Ever.
Unless you get a Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao type situation where they agree.
brendan schaub
Then it's similar.
joe rogan
They agree to water testing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
But even in that one, we found out that Floyd took an IV. Yeah.
Bro, you're not allowed to take an IV. Without getting it cleared.
eddie bravo
In boxing?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
With under the U.S. anti-doping agency rules because you can use an IV and the IV can mask the use of any sort of steroid you're on.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Bro, you ever seen Evander Holyfield back in the day?
eddie bravo
That was steroids?
brendan schaub
He could have won like third in Mr. Olympia.
He's fucking jacked.
joe rogan
Well, when he went up from Cruiserweight.
brendan schaub
And he got tested positive.
He didn't test positive, but he got linked to a steroid clinic under the name like Boley Holyfield or some bullshit.
You think Tyson ever fucked with that?
He got fucked.
eddie bravo
What about Tyson?
What do you think?
brendan schaub
What do I think?
If I had to bet my entire life savings on it?
100%.
But I don't know for sure.
unidentified
Who knows?
brendan schaub
I know professional sports.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what, though, man.
When Tyson came out of jail, remember when we saw Jack Tyson?
Damn, Michigaki just cracked George Rupert.
Two big shots.
Remember Jack Tyson?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
When Tyson fought, was it Kevin Ferguson?
Was that his first opponent right out of jail?
Is that what his name?
Kevin something?
brendan schaub
Ferguson, that's right.
joe rogan
Is that right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
I feel like it's wrong.
There was an Irish guy.
eddie bravo
Tony Ferguson?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Who was the Irish guy that he fought the first time out of jail?
I want to say Jake O'Brien.
God, I feel like Ferguson's right.
Peter McNeely.
What's that?
Peter McNeely.
That's it.
Jake O'Brien is a guy who fought in the UFC. What am I talking about?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he is.
Light heavyweight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And heavy.
joe rogan
Yeah, Peter McNeely.
When Tyson fought Peter McNeely, did you ever see what he looked like from that fight?
Jamie, pull up a picture of Mike Tyson versus Peter McNeely.
brendan schaub
Fresh out of prison?
joe rogan
He looked like a bodybuilder.
Looked like a bodybuilder.
brendan schaub
Enjoy that fight.
joe rogan
Radical six pack.
Fucking super buff.
So he was getting good nutrition in jail.
brendan schaub
Everyone gets swole like that in jail.
From those fucking three square meals a day.
joe rogan
Terrible food they give you apparently.
brendan schaub
Who the fuck would sign up for that fight?
That's like fighting Jon Jones out of jail or prison.
Enjoy that.
It's gonna be a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Also, the amount of people that were paying attention to that because they felt like Mike Tyson got railroaded.
That was a questionable decision, what had happened to him.
And the lawyers...
Sort of strategy for dealing with the case was that the girl should have known.
She should have known where she was going.
brendan schaub
At 3 a.m., no hotel room?
joe rogan
Yeah, that she should have known, but also she should have known because of the guy that Mike is.
Like, their strategy was to, like, make it look like he was just a bad guy.
Look, you should know.
He's out there merking dudes, you know?
Watch the Marvis Fraser fight and expect, what do you think's going to happen when you get alone with that guy?
unidentified
What the fuck do you think was happening?
You know he has that big old dick coming up to the hotel room.
joe rogan
And that was essentially their strategy, the lawyer's strategy.
And that shit just didn't work.
unidentified
The judge was like, get the fuck out of here with this.
joe rogan
But the girl had apparently, allegedly, she had a false rape accusation already before the Tyson.
brendan schaub
So it's her thing.
joe rogan
So it wasn't, you know, look man, some of these people out there in this wild world are crazy as fuck.
brendan schaub
It's tough, man.
You don't know?
You never know.
eddie bravo
If Joey Diaz was Mike Tyson's lawyer, what would that sound like?
unidentified
Listen, cocksucker, everybody knows you're a fucking creep.
joe rogan
You're out there banging bitches.
unidentified
You're showing your giant dick to the fucking general public.
eddie bravo
You're gonna plead the fifth.
joe rogan
I'm gonna fucking talk for you.
Listen, Mike, you're the baddest of all time.
We're gonna get you out of this.
The girl should've known!
eddie bravo
Should've known!
unidentified
It's 3 o'clock in the morning.
joe rogan
The fuck do you think you're here for?
eddie bravo
We're gonna read books.
joe rogan
What are we gonna do?
We're gonna hold hands.
unidentified
We're gonna break out the fucking Ouija board and conjure up your grandmother.
joe rogan
Suck the dick!
unidentified
I got you in a fucking hotel room.
joe rogan
It's a limo ride.
You ate lobster?
You ate lobster.
unidentified
Did you eat lobster?
joe rogan
Well, you suck dick.
unidentified
You eat lobster, you suck dick.
Guaranteed.
I buy crystal because you're my friend.
joe rogan
Come on.
eddie bravo
So she claimed he just straight raped her.
joe rogan
I don't know what the exact claim was.
It's a while ago.
I really shouldn't be even saying what the evidence was because I barely remember.
But there was something similar to...
She had come up to the room, she had taken off her panty shield in the bathroom, and they were saying, like, that says that she was getting ready for sex, which doesn't necessarily mean that.
It could mean she didn't need it anymore, it was funky, she took a leak, she wanted to take it out of her vagina, that's what the garbage is for.
You know?
I don't know.
I don't have one of those.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't know either, but...
joe rogan
But...
brendan schaub
So far, yeah.
joe rogan
There was no...
I don't think there was anything that, you know, could have...
I don't think there's anything that could have been done while it was going on to make it...
If you're not there, right, to make it accurate, if you're not there, if you're not the woman or you're not the man, when you're describing something that happens, when someone's alleging that someone raped you...
brendan schaub
You kind of fuck when you're Mike Tyson, you accuse him of rape, because we're all like, yeah, I can see it, but did he do it?
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
And I think that whenever...
brendan schaub
The court says he did.
joe rogan
The court said he did, and they put him away.
He still says he didn't.
And I think, like, I don't know.
I don't know.
When you find out that someone had already gotten off of a false rape accusation, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't get raped still.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
True, but it means bitches be crazy.
joe rogan
But it would be like a crazy cry wolf, right?
Bitches do be crazy, but who knows what the original circumstance was.
And she was really young at the time, too.
brendan schaub
She's super hot, too.
So you never know.
Maybe she was dating some other animal or something.
unidentified
Who knows?
brendan schaub
But I tell you, you're guilty right away, especially in the public.
If you're an athlete, big dude, scary dude, you're guilty right away.
joe rogan
How about the scariest boxer of all time?
I mean, Mike Tyson in his prime was the scariest boxer of all time.
Scariest dude of all time.
brendan schaub
Hands down.
joe rogan
No one came close.
When he would go in there with that towel cut off, no fucking socks on.
brendan schaub
I was scared at home.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, he was a monster.
But anyway, who knows what the fuck happened.
That was my point.
But anyway, when he got out of jail...
Pull up that picture, Jamie.
Did you get that picture?
unidentified
I was close.
joe rogan
You were close?
He's so shredded, dude.
brendan schaub
Bro, that motherfucker Fedor's on some shit right now.
You seen him?
joe rogan
How dare you?
brendan schaub
I'm not saying he's on some shit.
I'm saying he's on that prison workout program, bro.
joe rogan
Oh, is that what he's on?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's jacked.
He's getting three square meals a day.
joe rogan
Oh, hell no.
Jesus Christ.
Oh, my God.
Oh, hell no.
Go full screen with that picture.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Why did you say Tyson got prison officer pregnant?
Damn straight he did.
Look at that fucking monster.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
That could be some bullshit.
joe rogan
Go to that visit page, please.
Let's find out that visit page.
No, what am I, TMZ? I don't even want to read that.
Of course he did.
Go back to the photo.
Fuck, I don't want to hear this story.
unidentified
I don't want to give it the time of day.
joe rogan
I want to admire his body.
brendan schaub
Damn, he fucked a prison guard.
Of course he did.
joe rogan
That's always in rap videos.
Like, that was Tupac, right?
Wasn't that one of Tupac?
Wouldn't I get free?
brendan schaub
Yeah, dog.
joe rogan
Remember he was talking about the girl, the prison lady?
brendan schaub
The two guys who escaped the prison earlier this year, they were fucking the prison guard.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't have girls.
brendan schaub
Now you gotta honeydick them in and give them your keys to get out.
joe rogan
The body on Tyson.
Jesus Christ.
Is that the optimum look, though, when you're fighting?
brendan schaub
For him it was.
Especially how explosive he was.
joe rogan
For that fight.
Kevin McNeely was out of his league.
eddie bravo
You know the Japanese anime where there's girls that are cops and detectives going after criminals and the criminals always fuck them?
You ever see that?
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's like the theme of it.
eddie bravo
They're always going after him, and they almost catch him, they catch him, he seduces her, he fucks her, and he escapes, and she's constantly trying to...
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's gotta happen, right?
The female cops and, like, super gangster dudes who have tons of money and big dicks.
brendan schaub
You think this happens in real life?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, especially...
eddie bravo
All those cartoons are based on, uh, inspired by real events.
joe rogan
A situation like the girl has to go undercover.
And then, you know, while she's undercover, she falls in love.
brendan schaub
So I don't know what happened.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened.
She tries to pull the card at the end and arrest him, but she can't do it.
eddie bravo
The end of the episode is the same.
She almost has him, and then he just fucking talks her into sucking his dick.
joe rogan
What is up with those weird Japanese anime ones where they have octopuses?
They all have, like, octopuses.
They're getting fucked by, like, multiple armed animals and shit.
What is all that about?
You know what I'm talking about?
brendan schaub
This is a cartoon?
This is real life.
joe rogan
No, anime.
Right, you know what I'm talking about, right?
unidentified
Yeah, but I don't know why.
Why?
joe rogan
What is that about, right?
eddie bravo
They fuck octopus?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
Is it just tentacles?
Is it tentacle porn?
Is that what they call it?
unidentified
Yeah, I'll pull something up so you can see.
brendan schaub
They love sushi, man.
eddie bravo
That's funny, because for the last couple of days, I've been really into going on YouTube and just watching intelligent octopus documentaries where they test their intelligence.
Do you know that...
Off the coast of Washington, they have a problem with, there's certain areas that they have a problem with in the water, where an octopus attack you, and they got it on film, like attacking these divers and shit.
brendan schaub
I love octopus, man.
eddie bravo
Have you heard of this?
joe rogan
Well, they're predatory.
Have you ever seen the video of them eating sharks?
brendan schaub
No.
Damn, like a giant squid or something?
joe rogan
Pull up the video of octopus kills a shark because there was a problem that they had with this aquarium where these sharks were dying and they thought that like someone was stealing the sharks or they thought that maybe like one of the other sharks was killing the sharks.
They couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on.
So they set up a camera, and in the hidden camera they found out that octopuses are gangster as fuck.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah!
They're so smart!
It's incredible!
joe rogan
They hide in these rocks, and they pretend to be the color of the rock.
They can change their color to look like their background.
Like, they camouflage themselves.
And while this shark is swimming by, the octopus just fucking explodes out and grabs him and eats him alive.
brendan schaub
That's one of those bullshit sharks, though.
joe rogan
Well, it's a small shark, but it's just, when you put these motherfuckers in captivity, the sharks don't give a shit.
As long as they have food, they're kind of dumb.
But octopuses are not dumb.
Octopus are smart as fuck.
brendan schaub
I love a good octopus, man.
joe rogan
Octopi.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I love them.
joe rogan
I think you're supposed to say octopi.
brendan schaub
Might be one of my favorite animals.
eddie bravo
Does it actually capture on film?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
brendan schaub
He's about to murk this fucking sissy shark.
eddie bravo
I think I've seen this, but the footage ain't that good.
joe rogan
It's not bad, dude.
Once they knew that the octopus was doing this, they set up all sorts of cameras.
eddie bravo
You see how they edit this shit?
They edit it?
I bet...
I mean, that was probably taken three weeks before.
Well, you gotta edit it, though.
joe rogan
Well, I think both scenes are probably bullshit.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Like, all this other stuff?
eddie bravo
Like, all this stuff?
This is like...
brendan schaub
We gotta build a story.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo knows a little bit too much about the business.
You know a little too much about the business.
eddie bravo
Anytime I watch a Discovery Channel, I'm like, how do they get the cameras all over this?
They're weaving a story?
How many cameras?
How did they get the camera in the water like that?
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo can't watch a fucking superhero movie.
It's like, come on.
You know he's going to win.
He always wins.
Like, why would you watch it if you know what's going to happen at the end?
unidentified
Why would you watch it?
joe rogan
Do you think he's going to lose?
Did you think he was going to die?
At the end was over.
Were you shocked?
Were you surprised?
Like, whoa, the good guy won.
The good guy always wins.
I want the bad guy to win.
Why can't the bad guy win?
I want the bad guy to win once.
eddie bravo
I like Narcos.
That's what I want to watch.
unidentified
I want to watch Narcos.
joe rogan
Watch, watch, watch.
This is it.
eddie bravo
Bitch, come here.
brendan schaub
Little bitch-ass shark.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He just squeezes the life out of him.
joe rogan
Jacked him.
Well, their tentacles, man, their tentacles are not just strong as fuck, but the suction cups have prongs.
They reach out and cling and rip things apart.
It's not as simple as those are just soft suctions.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
unidentified
Shit!
brendan schaub
Don't they have a hook, Joe?
Don't they have a hook in their mouth?
joe rogan
And if they lose a leg, their leg just grows right back.
brendan schaub
They're so gangster.
joe rogan
And they have eyeballs that are really effective, but they're so different than ours, it's like a completely different branch of the evolutionary chain.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Ain't that a bitch if you're a shark?
eddie bravo
Yeah, what's crazy is when they're born from day one, they're on their own.
brendan schaub
So that's why they're so skittish and they hide all the time.
eddie bravo
But if you raise octopus in an environment where they don't have anything to fear, they go right up to you.
And there's these octopus in this cove.
I'm watching all these documentaries.
There's this octopus in this cove where they're not afraid at all.
You go into the water, they come right up to you and look you right in the fucking eye.
They go right up to you and swim around and check you out.
They're not scared as shit.
But in the wild, since day one they're by themselves, their mothers don't raise them, they're just skittish and they're just hiding and shit all the time.
joe rogan
Well I think when they come in contact with people too, if they have any sort of means of communication, they would let them know that people are dangerous.
If they are really smart, I don't know how smart octopus are.
eddie bravo
Crazy smart.
joe rogan
I know, right?
I don't know how much information they can transfer to each other.
eddie bravo
There's all these videos of them doing, they learn really, really quick.
They'll take an octopus, a wild octopus, they'll put it in an aquarium, and then they put a crab in some glass container where they can see the crab and they can't fish.
Figure out how to fucking get the crab.
But then, in the next container, they have an octopus that knows exactly how to get him.
So the fucking octopus is watching the other one open shit up, and he's right there, and the octopus is like all excited, going like this, going, oh shit, I know how to do it.
So then they give him another fucking crab in this glass container, and that octopus just goes.
Quick!
You wick!
brendan schaub
It's crazy!
Dude!
eddie bravo
Can you look up octopus attacks human?
They got an octopus on a cop on a diver's head!
unidentified
On a diver's head!
brendan schaub
Octopus attacks human.
joe rogan
That's way scarier than a shark.
brendan schaub
I'd rip the fuck out of an octopus.
eddie bravo
I would rather be in the water with a shark than a killer octopus.
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
A killer octopus?
brendan schaub
You're in too deep into this octopus.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
How big would the octopus be before you start freaking out?
brendan schaub
We're talking about a giant squid, like Moby Dick squid here?
joe rogan
You'd have to start getting nervous at a certain weight.
unidentified
No, no, octopus.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
brendan schaub
200 pound octopus, I'm out.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Fuck that, dude.
joe rogan
Especially in the water, it wouldn't even take that much.
It wouldn't even take a 70 pound octopus.
brendan schaub
I'm talking about like that thing.
I'm talking about like...
joe rogan
Look at what you're saying.
unidentified
He's on his head.
joe rogan
In the water.
eddie bravo
He's on his head.
unidentified
Look.
joe rogan
If you're in the water, okay, a really big one, like a 50, 60 pounder, could kill you.
It's real possible.
brendan schaub
I guess he could drag me.
joe rogan
They could drag you and they could bite your tank.
They could bite your neck.
They have beaks, dude.
I mean, they can tear flesh apart.
unidentified
They're not fast.
eddie bravo
Are you watching?
joe rogan
They're not fast.
You're right.
They're not fast.
But if you got caught up in one of these in a tangle...
In the water, how are you going to swim?
How are you going to swim away?
What if it cuts your cable?
If it's that smart and it cuts your scuba cable, you're a dead man.
For sure.
Unless you can get to a knife and start stabbing that thing in the head.
unidentified
There's a human getting attacked on this and you guys are watching.
eddie bravo
You guys are discussing what would happen and they're showing you what's happened.
He's taking off his mask.
He's taking off his mask.
joe rogan
He jumped on his mask.
eddie bravo
This is in Washington, dude.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, look at this.
eddie bravo
Meanwhile, the camera guy's not helping.
joe rogan
This guy's getting jacked.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
But look at him yanking off.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's got to be careful, right?
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
That's a big-ass act.
I'm not talking about one of these Moby Dick squids.
joe rogan
How deep was he in there?
eddie bravo
Dude, this isn't...
They have a problem in Washington off the coast.
An octopus at attack.
brendan schaub
How many people have died?
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at the beak.
See?
See the fucking beak?
brendan schaub
I'm not worried about octopus, bro.
eddie bravo
That's a bad B movie, right?
Like some bunch of 20-year-olds go camping off the coast of Washington.
joe rogan
Jamie, rewind that because it's like that thing from the movie Alien.
Look at the tongue that comes out.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Meanwhile, the whole boy's on the screen crying his eyes out right now.
unidentified
Dude, they might be aliens.
eddie bravo
They might be aliens.
joe rogan
Or they might live in the ocean.
unidentified
I'm gonna go with Joe on this one.
joe rogan
They're right there.
eddie bravo
They're animals from another planet.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy's getting jacked.
I think it was just trying to test him.
But, you know, they found these fossil remains of what they think was an enormous one.
The problem is when these things die, we don't know how big they used to be.
You know, we know Megalodon existed, but we know that basically because of his jaw.
We don't know how big their beaks were, and there's times they can't find their bodies because their bodies deteriorate, but they have fossilized remains of enormous suction cups in an octopus's tentacle formation that they think indicates those mysteries of the kraken, where they would talk about this enormous fucking octopus that could take down a ship, and sailors would see them at sea and be terrified.
brendan schaub
See, that's some scary shit.
joe rogan
Could have been bullshit, but they have these fossilized versions now of those tentacles, the suction cups, that are making scientists reconsider, and they think there might have been an enormous one.
Like, they never even saw that giant squid until, like, a few years ago.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying the octopus now?
Not scared.
That's all I'm saying.
eddie bravo
Dude, dudes are going to train octopus to jerk them off.
Watch.
That's the future.
brendan schaub
God.
joe rogan
No, man.
brendan schaub
You wish.
joe rogan
That's like little pokers in those tentacles.
eddie bravo
You gotta clip them.
Clip the pokers.
unidentified
Clip the pokers like a cat.
joe rogan
Like, you know, you give your cat...
eddie bravo
What do you do to the gerbil when you put it in your butt?
joe rogan
Um, you tape him up.
eddie bravo
You break his jaw, right?
brendan schaub
No, you pull his teeth out.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
You guys have the wrong Richard Gere...
eddie bravo
You break their jaw, right?
brendan schaub
No, you shave them down.
joe rogan
No, no, you just pull the teeth out, bro.
You put them in a giant condom, like a bicycle ear tube.
unidentified
For real?
eddie bravo
Oh, that's...
brendan schaub
No, they're going to break that, bro.
eddie bravo
Dudes go raw dog on them.
They go raw gerbil on them.
joe rogan
Wait, but if you want to do it safely.
unidentified
Go raw.
joe rogan
If you want to do it safe, you grab them up in a bike hose.
eddie bravo
Dude, I would never do it without breaking their jaw.
joe rogan
Just put it inside you.
eddie bravo
A nice hammer fist.
You just hold their head down and go...
Just one little...
joe rogan
And that's it.
Josh Barnett versus...
Roy Nelson is the main event here, and this is interesting watching Josh Barnett back in the fucking Pride days.
brendan schaub
He hasn't fought in a while.
joe rogan
No, he hasn't.
He hasn't fought since Travis Brown, correct?
brendan schaub
Correct.
But he's been doing Metamorris, but that's a different animal.
joe rogan
He's been killing it at grappling.
brendan schaub
Submit here on Gracie.
That is not easy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a beast, dude.
Submitted Dean Lister, too, who's even bigger than here on.
unidentified
Yes!
brendan schaub
Dean Lister, there you go.
joe rogan
Lister!
Not like Lister Bowling.
He was one of the first guys to submit Dean in like fucking 15 or 16 years.
unidentified
In like forever.
joe rogan
How long has it been, Eddie?
In competition?
eddie bravo
I think.
brendan schaub
I think the first time ever, right?
joe rogan
In competition.
I don't know if it was ever.
brendan schaub
I thought.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe it was like as a black belt ever, but whatever it was, it was super impressive.
brendan schaub
Eddie, are we betting on this main event and co-main event?
eddie bravo
What?
We're betting on the main event.
brendan schaub
Not the co-main event?
eddie bravo
I got Barnett.
brendan schaub
A thousand on Barnett?
See, I think Barnett's going to win, but I'll bet you for the sake of it.
joe rogan
You guys don't think that Roy Nelson can pull it off?
I think you can.
brendan schaub
I think Josh is too experienced to eat that one.
I think guys have figured out Roy.
And it shows because he's won one of his last four fights.
He's won in four of his last five, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I think Roy...
brendan schaub
Grante's been fighting tough, tough guys.
joe rogan
Roy can always turn the lights out on you, man.
unidentified
Always.
brendan schaub
But when you're fighting a vet like Josh Barnett, man, they go, alright, you got a huge right hand, cool, we're gonna minimize that, I'm gonna get you into the cage.
And really, you know, we talk about Roy being a black belt, which he is, don't get me wrong, under Henzo Gracie, but Josh Barnett's a motherfucker.
He's gonna get you down.
joe rogan
He certainly is.
brendan schaub
He's gonna get you down.
joe rogan
He's certainly a motherfucker.
brendan schaub
And if you remember Frank Mayer vs Roy Nelson, remember Frank got him against Cage, was taking him down, kinda whooping his ass?
So when I see that, I think Barnett's looking at that footage going, alright, we're gonna get him against Cage, we're gonna get him down and do work.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know about that fight.
Because how impressive was Josh against Frank Mir?
Super impressive.
I mean, he made Frank Mir look like it was towards the end of his career, and then Frank Mir after that went on this big comeback, right?
unidentified
Sure.
brendan schaub
He took time off, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But when you looked at that fight, that's a big part of it, right?
The time off is a big part of it.
That's a really important point, actually.
brendan schaub
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I think Josh Barnett is super crafty, man.
He knows so much.
brendan schaub
He's such a veteran, bro.
He's such a veteran.
But we look at him in the UFC, especially this comeback.
He's 1-1, right?
He beat Mare, which at the time, it wasn't like the Mare now.
joe rogan
But he smashed him.
unidentified
Smashed him.
joe rogan
And he did it in a pretty ruthless way.
brendan schaub
Charged his ass, hit him with that knee.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But then he got murked by Travis Brown.
unidentified
He did.
brendan schaub
And then he took a bunch of time off.
joe rogan
He got Travis Browned.
That one technique that Travis used on Gonzaga and he used on him.
brendan schaub
That elbow, yeah.
joe rogan
That elbow with that wide spread that he has.
brendan schaub
That's all we trained.
That's all we trained.
joe rogan
And his fucking takedown defense is so nasty.
unidentified
He's so wide.
brendan schaub
He's so fucking tall.
joe rogan
That elbow comes fast, too.
brendan schaub
I just think...
I think Barnett with Roy, I think Stipe was the first one to like, alright, let's just avoid this right hand and go to work.
And Josh is such a smarter fighter than all these other guys.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's super interesting, but we're also assuming that Roy hasn't figured out that he needs to make some adjustments.
brendan schaub
It's too late, brother.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
brendan schaub
I disagree.
joe rogan
See, what I know about Roy is he got good at jiu-jitsu enough to be a black belt, enough to be a highly considered black belt, beat Frank Mir in that grappling competition.
To get that good at grappling, you have to be able to solve problems.
So if he is really good at this one thing that he already knows, he's really good at knocking people out.
brendan schaub
You're talking about a young guy when he competed and all that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but don't you think that he's just as hungry now as probably he's ever been before?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I never see that guy looking like he's lost his enthusiasm for things.
He's always been trying to fight the best guys in the world.
I mean, and he's had some spectacular results against high-level guys.
Like, look at the Czech-Kongo fight.
When he knocked out Czech-Kongo, Czech-Kongo was pretty highly regarded, right?
brendan schaub
Has Czech-Kongo ever been highly regarded?
joe rogan
Yeah, after the Cain Velasquez fight, especially.
brendan schaub
God damn, that was a while ago, bro.
joe rogan
It was.
brendan schaub
And he still lost that fight.
joe rogan
And then he knocked out Pat Barry.
That Pat Barry fight show didn't come back.
brendan schaub
That was a long time ago, and he still lost that fight.
joe rogan
You gotta stop doing that to me, bro.
unidentified
You gotta stop making that face to me.
joe rogan
Well, listen man, Pat Berry had him on Queer Street.
He gave him his mailbox, gave him the keys to his apartment.
brendan schaub
And Pat, you know I love you.
You know I love you, but Pat Berry's not a world-class guy.
joe rogan
But at that time, Pat Berry had never been knocked out before.
And Check Congo knocked him out with one punch.
That's a fact.
That is a fact.
But Pat had not been knocked out before, and that sort of started a series of bad losses that Pat had.
brendan schaub
He fought tougher guys.
joe rogan
Pat is a wild dude.
He came hard and strong and had him hurt bad.
brendan schaub
For sure.
That was an amazing fight.
One of the best of all time.
joe rogan
And then Kongo came back and knocked him out.
So I think Kongo's pretty highly regarded, in my opinion.
In the UFC. And then after that, Roy knocking him out.
I'm pretty sure that's the way it happened.
I'm pretty sure Roy knocked him out after he had the war with Pat Peer.
brendan schaub
That's correct.
That's correct.
joe rogan
I just think that Roy has some stupid power, and you never know with a guy like that, man.
When a guy has that kind of stupid power, if Roy hits you, if you fuck up, if you zig when you should have zagged, the dude can shut it off.
brendan schaub
But when you get to a certain level and you only have one thing, I'm not saying Roy only has one thing, but if your right hand's a motherfucker and you get to a certain level, these pros pros go, okay, not getting caught with that.
And it's showing because he's one in four in his last five.
joe rogan
I think, you know, it's cute, too, that he has that look, you know, with the big belly and he rubs his belly and he gets on top of the octagon.
But I think the reality is he would move better and fight better if he didn't have that.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
It's amazing how far he's gotten with all that extra body fat.
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's world-class.
unidentified
He could make 155. That's a stretch.
joe rogan
First of all, how dare you?
brendan schaub
How dare you, sir?
joe rogan
Cover of the UG right now.
brendan schaub
Come on.
joe rogan
Fucking front page.
Eddie Bravo says Roy Nelson could make 185. If he got his diet together?
No.
unidentified
Come on.
brendan schaub
He'd be a legit 205-er.
joe rogan
A legit 205. He's a thick dude, man.
But, I mean, look, maybe he could skinny the fuck out of himself and make 185. But if he did, he would probably be in hell.
brendan schaub
205. 205's reasonable.
joe rogan
Okay, but if he weighs...
What does he weigh?
250?
What do you think he weighs?
Yeah, 255, 250. How many pounds overweight do you think he is?
If you look at that big giant belly.
unidentified
Probably 150. No, I don't know.
joe rogan
How much is that overweight?
eddie bravo
Joe Riggs used to be 300 pounds, and he fought at 300 pounds, and then he got down to 170. Yeah, but Joe Riggs was a different thing.
Roy Nelson's not that tall.
joe rogan
I think when he first started losing weight, Joe was really obese.
I think it was a different kind of leg obese, arm obese.
brendan schaub
Roy's successful.
You know, he's successful.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird because he's only got it in the belly.
Like, his arms aren't fat.
His arms are like a stocky guy arms.
brendan schaub
Mmm, are they?
joe rogan
They're not like his belly.
His belly's this giant belly, and his legs are normal size.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he's not like muscular.
He doesn't have, like, the definition of shoulders.
joe rogan
Well, look at Mark Hunt.
Mark Hunt, the way he carries his body fat.
Mark Hunt carries his body fat all over the place.
He's got his body fat in his arms.
He's got it in his legs.
But Roy has it mostly in his belly.
He has it all in his belly.
I'm not a nutritional expert, so I could throw some bro science your way.
brendan schaub
I'll take some bro science.
Bro, science like a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Someone called Dolce immediately.
We need to find out.
I don't know what makes a guy's gut stick out more.
Like, when you see a guy and he has a giant belly, but everything else seems sort of normal size, like, what is it?
Is that a diet thing?
Is that a genetic thing?
brendan schaub
Is it just his genetics where all the fat goes to the stomach?
eddie bravo
There's so many guys with giant bellies, but their legs are kind of normal.
brendan schaub
It's like a girl, though.
Sometimes girls eat and they just have these fat asses, bro.
And then their arms are skinny.
joe rogan
I used to work with this guy.
He was a construction guy.
He had the weirdest body of all time.
His legs were normal sized.
His arms were normal sized.
His face was barely fat.
And then his chest was fairly normal.
And then he had this crazy fucking belly that didn't make any sense.
He would just look at his belly and go, what in the fuck?
But then I thought about it one day.
I was like, all that guy would have to do is get rid of that part of his body.
And he's like a guy who plays softball on a regular basis.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a dime piece.
joe rogan
He's hitting the gym, taking a spin class.
He looks like a normal guy.
brendan schaub
It's a big if, though.
Sometimes it's a kind of a hormone issue, right?
I don't know.
I wish I knew.
joe rogan
We're guessing.
brendan schaub
This is straight bro science.
joe rogan
Bro science.
brendan schaub
Roy Nelson's a motherfucker.
That could be a show.
Just bro science.
Just a bunch of dudes talking about science.
Just straight bullshit.
Very vague.
eddie bravo
Dude, I saw this documentary, bro.
Oh shit.
brendan schaub
It's a hormone thing.
I don't fucking know.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's good to not have Google nearby.
True.
It's funner.
brendan schaub
It's way funner.
joe rogan
It brings us back to the old days.
As long as no one likes to pretend, they don't like to pretend.
That they know what the fuck they're talking about.
brendan schaub
Because that bro science goes down the chain, you know?
Because whatever you tell me, then I tell someone.
joe rogan
Exactly, yeah.
And become science.
I've said that so many times.
I heard, and then...
brendan schaub
You know what?
I'm pretty sure...
That's why I always do that.
I'm pretty sure...
joe rogan
That's a weird thing though, man, like people's diets.
I've been paying attention to my sugar intake lately over the last few weeks.
They say that's cute, right?
But I'm shocked at how much sugar is in things that I didn't know.
Do you know that low-fat milk, for the most part, has sugar in it?
brendan schaub
Eight grams, son.
joe rogan
They put sugar in low-fat milk because otherwise it's just nothing.
Milk has a ton of sugar.
And by the way, low fat sugar, or low fat milk rather, don't drink it.
It has no nutritional value.
None.
Because all the things like vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin E, they all have to bond to fats.
So like, there's no fats in the milk, so it's like you're just drinking water.
brendan schaub
I don't fuck with milk.
joe rogan
It's like nonsense.
I like milk.
brendan schaub
I like almond milk.
eddie bravo
Yeah, almond milk and rice milk.
joe rogan
Almond milk again, same thing though.
If you read the ingredients, that shit is all sugar.
brendan schaub
Nah, son, you can get zero sugar.
Unsweetened.
joe rogan
Unsweetened almond milk?
And it's delicious.
eddie bravo
Zero grams of sugar.
joe rogan
Most of the stuff you get though has the famous brands.
eddie bravo
They do have unsweetened though.
joe rogan
Duncan Trussell called me up.
He's like, Dude!
I found the best!
Almond milk!
It's so amazing!
unidentified
Tastes so good!
joe rogan
It's good for you!
eddie bravo
It's over now!
joe rogan
I go, how's it taste good?
He goes, it's delicious!
I go, ooh, did you check to see how much sugar is in it?
And so we did it on the phone, and it was just some stupid amount.
And it was for only like a little baby glass that you know you're not going to have.
You know you're going to have a big glass.
brendan schaub
I know if something tastes good, it has sugar.
That's my biggest problem.
That's my sugar by five.
We're sweet tooth, man.
Sometimes I wonder why I work out so hard so I can't eat like shit.
joe rogan
Do you want some mangoes with chili on them right now?
brendan schaub
I'm never mad at that.
joe rogan
Jamie, where are those?
eddie bravo
Like fresh mangoes?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Like dried mangoes?
This is my problem lately.
I have an issue.
eddie bravo
Mango sticky rice, baby.
joe rogan
I have an issue.
I'm avoiding sugar, and my number one issue is these fucking Trader Joe's mangoes with chili on them.
I know it's got sugar in it.
I don't even want to read the label.
brendan schaub
I'm addicted to sugar, bro.
joe rogan
These things right here?
Dude.
Do you like those, Eddie?
eddie bravo
I haven't had those.
joe rogan
Oh, get Eddie one of those, too, please.
eddie bravo
Well, because I'm Mexican?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This shit is delicious.
Who makes this one?
No cholesterol.
I know it's got sugar in it, dude.
What does it say on the back?
eddie bravo
It's almost like it's so good, it's like, let's figure out what it doesn't have and then put that free, you know, cholesterol free.
Doesn't it have cholesterol?
brendan schaub
Okay, cholesterol free.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
Of course there's no cholesterol in it.
That's silly.
eddie bravo
No lead.
joe rogan
Lead free.
No nuclear energy.
eddie bravo
Non-mercury.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
No mangoes have mercury.
joe rogan
No mangoes have cholesterol.
unidentified
Like, what are you using, butter to make your mangoes?
brendan schaub
Cholesterol free.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
It's gluten free.
It better be.
Shit.
If it's made out of bread, then it's not really a mango, you fuck.
Eddie Bravo opening it up.
Chico Camus, Horiguchi.
Horiguchi's first fight since he lost to Mighty Mouse.
Could be very interesting.
Horiguchi's fast as shit, too.
And Chico Camus is pretty slick.
I thought Chico Camus looked real good in his, uh, how much?
You reading sugar intake?
eddie bravo
The first ingredient is mango.
joe rogan
Second ingredient is sugar?
unidentified
Sugar.
joe rogan
Fuckers.
unidentified
They didn't even try to hide it by saying, hide, food, toast, corn, serve.
eddie bravo
Say, fuck it.
brendan schaub
Just let them have it.
joe rogan
I wonder if one's better for you.
Haraguchi, dude.
Haraguchi's fighting Chico Camus.
I forgot about this fight.
This is a good-ass fight.
I thought Chico Camus looked really good against your boy Henry Cejudo.
That was a great fight.
brendan schaub
How bad?
joe rogan
Cejudo's a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
How bad are artificial sweeteners when soda companies advertise we use real sugar?
How bad is aspartame?
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
At this point in time, that's all people want, man.
brendan schaub
I'm addicted to it, bro.
I'm addicted to it.
eddie bravo
You want real sugar?
joe rogan
Yeah, people want real sugar now, man.
They feel like it's too risky to get involved with aspartame.
All of it's bad for you, dude.
The reality is you're only supposed to get sugar from actual foods.
Like sugar from fruits, sugar from apples, you know, sugar from things that taste sweet.
That's how you're supposed to get your sugar.
Like this creepy way that we've got of like sucking all the sugar out and stockpiling it and then injecting it directly into our bloodstream in the form of candy.
Like that is, that's a drug.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's beautiful.
joe rogan
And it's...
And it's completely alien to our system.
brendan schaub
I feel great, though.
joe rogan
But you know who needs it, apparently, is those super triathletes and marathon runners and shit?
They need sugar, dude.
brendan schaub
They say people who are real explosive need it.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I hear about that.
eddie bravo
I don't want to be explosive.
joe rogan
Well, who's that guy that was...
brendan schaub
It's only a body type.
joe rogan
Who's the guy that was fighting MMA? He fought Tim Sylvia.
Tim Sylvia beat the fucking shit out of him.
He was the world's strongest man.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Ray Mercer.
brendan schaub
No, no.
Hold.
joe rogan
What's his name?
brendan schaub
Hold.
unidentified
Fuck.
Starts with a P. I can't remember his name.
joe rogan
He's from Poland, right?
Puginowski!
Thank you very much.
brendan schaub
Real meathead.
joe rogan
Oh, he's the biggest of big.
He's a giant dude.
brendan schaub
Ten-time World's Strongest Man contest.
joe rogan
Super powerful dude.
And he eats a lot of candy, apparently.
Yeah, a big part of his training.
But I guess he's just blowing his sugar levels out of his muscles so much.
brendan schaub
When you're on so much steroids, though, it doesn't fucking matter.
Do you remember that real buff guy that was the mascot for King of the Cage?
eddie bravo
He was a huge bodybuilder, so they would use him for in-between shots of fights.
joe rogan
Why don't you explain how crazy that was?
eddie bravo
So I was there when he had a photo shoot because I had to do a photo thing because I was a commentator.
So they were going to knock out a bunch of photo shoots.
And he's sitting there in the waiting room with a gigantic bag of Skittles.
Killing Skittles.
And he said, to get the biggest pump, you need sugar running through your veins to get the biggest pump.
joe rogan
Wow.
Sugar.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
He was eating Skittles right before this photo shoot.
brendan schaub
Sugar makes the world go round, man.
joe rogan
These dudes that lift that much weight, I think they just blow their sugar out of their body.
I think their requirements are just so high.
But how crazy was that King of the Cage thing?
Because the whole thing was they had these MMA fights.
And then they had this guy that was supposed to be the king of the cage.
And the guy who was supposed to be the king of the cage was just an actor or a bodybuilder.
eddie bravo
He did Jiu Jitsu.
joe rogan
But he wasn't fighting.
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
He wasn't the king.
It wasn't like he was the guy that was at the top of the heap.
eddie bravo
He was the guy that locked the cage before the fights.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it wasn't his organization.
He was just a guy that Terry and Bud hired.
unidentified
This guy's awesome.
eddie bravo
The whole thing was very strange.
What it was is Boz Rutten owned, he was part owner, right, in the first one.
So the logo was like Boz Rutten buff with a bald guy.
So when Boz Rutten bolted from King of the Cage, they kept the logo, but then they just turned it into a real dude.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Bro, these things are a motherfucker.
unidentified
They're so good, right?
brendan schaub
I'm gonna eat this entire bag.
joe rogan
Of course you are.
I told you, this is my problem right now.
brendan schaub
Bro, I think my mom had, like, maple syrup in her titties when I was young.
Straight up, man.
I cannot get enough of it.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so silly.
Meanwhile, this is a good fight.
Chico Camus and Haraguchi.
brendan schaub
I'm not gonna lie to you guys, I haven't watched one single fight.
joe rogan
Haraguchi's fast as fuck, man.
eddie bravo
How do you guys remember these?
I'm sitting here listening to you guys talk about fights, and I feel like I'm not a real fan.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm a poser.
No, you're a real fan, but you're running a hundred fucking jiu-jitsu schools.
unidentified
Still, but you're...
eddie bravo
100 times more busy than I am, and so are you.
I'm not that busy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is my job, Eddie.
brendan schaub
That's part of our job.
joe rogan
I mean, my job, especially, I'm the commentator for the UFC. I mean, I'm supposed to be in Japan right now.
eddie bravo
There's no way you can have all that information about all these fights and fighters and what happened in these fights in the second round and the third fucking round and all that shit unless you watch him again.
brendan schaub
Well, that's why he's the best in the world.
eddie bravo
Unless you have a photographic memory.
You watch the UFC twice.
unidentified
It depends on the fight.
brendan schaub
You watch him twice.
joe rogan
It depends on the fight.
eddie bravo
You know too much, dude.
You have no time for shit.
brendan schaub
He doesn't sleep, though.
eddie bravo
No wonder you haven't watched Narcos yet.
joe rogan
I just remember them, dude.
It's a different thing when you're calling fights, especially.
When you're calling fights, you remember more.
brendan schaub
That makes sense.
Dude, you know who fights tonight?
Dante Wilder.
joe rogan
Heavyweight champion.
brendan schaub
I think your memory is extraordinary.
That's what I really think.
eddie bravo
You and Brent.
You watch fights twice.
brendan schaub
Are you watching all day?
eddie bravo
You wake up and I gotta watch fights.
joe rogan
When do you watch these fights?
eddie bravo
As a comedian, your memory's too good.
joe rogan
You have to have a good memory to be a comic.
To do an hour-long set and to do a new hour-long set every year or so.
You gotta change it up.
You have to remember old shit.
You have to remember new shit.
You have to be able to memorize things.
You have to.
brendan schaub
You're super talented.
eddie bravo
Can I ask you something?
brendan schaub
How do you deal with your children farting?
eddie bravo
Do you laugh at that?
brendan schaub
Do you laugh at the farts?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's hilarious.
The five-year-old has figured out it's hilarious though now.
brendan schaub
It's trouble.
joe rogan
She won't stop farting.
So my wife gets bummed out, and I think it's hilarious, so I'm laughing.
So there's no cooperation.
So the five-year-old the other day, she's in bed reading stories.
She grabs the back of her knees, rolls her butt back in the air, and blasts one up in the air.
brendan schaub
You start laughing?
joe rogan
I'm fucking howling.
I think it's hilarious.
brendan schaub
That's tough, bro.
eddie bravo
But your wife doesn't think it's funny.
joe rogan
It's absolutely funny.
She doesn't think I should necessarily encourage it.
She says, you shouldn't fart.
And I'll say, hey, all right, you got to stop farting.
But the problem is...
In my house, laughter is valued very, very, very heavily.
brendan schaub
For sure, yeah.
joe rogan
In my house, it's always laughter.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
We laugh about everything, and we joke around about stuff all the time, and we're always like, if something goes wrong, even if something goes wrong, they do something that they shouldn't do, there's always some laughter involved.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Always.
So when she finds out that she can make us fucking howl laughing by sticking her butt in the air, They just start doing stuff, man.
They think it's funny.
brendan schaub
Here's the argument, Joe.
Don't you want her to be ladylike, though?
She goes to middle school and starts ripping farts.
You got the shitty girl in school.
joe rogan
I want her to be a nice person, and I want her to be however she wants to be as long as she interacts with people.
eddie bravo
What if she farts in class?
brendan schaub
She can't be ripping farts in school.
joe rogan
Listen, bro.
Do you rip farts in school completely?
No!
Exactly.
But when you're at your house and someone says, alright, you can't rip those farts when you're in the teacher's office.
All you have to do is teach the kid when to fart and when not to fart.
That's why I think also teach them about swearing.
Don't keep swearing from them.
Just tell them.
Notice, when daddy talks to the guy at the Lexus dealership, notice how daddy doesn't use the word cunt.
Yeah, because cunts, you can't say cunt to the Lexus guy.
You know, you gotta know when to be appropriate and when not to be appropriate.
But don't, because you don't want them figuring it out through other people, you know?
Why should you hide anything from your kids?
If you think that it's okay to use certain words, you should use those words in front of your kids.
But you should use them when you think they're able to discern when to and when not to use them.
So I don't swear.
Very rarely do I accidentally fuck up and swear in front of the kids.
eddie bravo
So you try not to?
joe rogan
Try not to.
Okay.
But as time goes on, I will absolutely start swearing more.
eddie bravo
Not yet.
Not yet, though.
unidentified
When they're older.
joe rogan
I let little ones in.
Every now and then.
eddie bravo
On accident?
joe rogan
No, on accident, but sometimes not.
Sometimes not on accident.
brendan schaub
What kind of swear word are we talking to here?
joe rogan
Not bad.
Like occasional fuck and every now and then a shit.
brendan schaub
That's not bad.
joe rogan
But even the fuck, it's like, Jesus.
eddie bravo
Have they repeated it yet?
joe rogan
No.
No, but the shit one, when the little one was three, this was hilarious, dude.
We were skiing, and we put all our stuff in the bag we were leaving, and she forgot to pack her helmet.
And I go, honey, you forgot to put your helmet in there.
And she goes, shit.
unidentified
Shit.
That's funny.
joe rogan
My wife just bit her hand.
She turned away.
She didn't want to laugh.
And I went, oh, snap.
And I turned and looked away.
I'm like, she didn't know how funny it was.
To her, it was like just a normal man.
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
That's great.
joe rogan
But to hear a three-year-old say, oh, shit.
eddie bravo
What's weird is around my wife, she doesn't laugh.
brendan schaub
She doesn't want to encourage laughter.
She's trying to teach him to be proper.
eddie bravo
But around me, he knows he could fart, and I'll laugh.
And if it's just me and him, I'll fart.
He'll fart.
We're farting back and forth.
We're high-fiving each other with farts.
But then when mom's around, we're in the bathroom, and then he farts, I gotta hold it in.
And he's looking at me, and I gotta keep a straight face.
joe rogan
He's like, don't throw me under the bus over here!
eddie bravo
And I'm like, I don't want to hear it from her.
And then she's looking at me, knowing that I'm holding it in.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so funny.
eddie bravo
He feels so confident around me.
Like, when Daddy's around, he could just blow those...
So that's a problem that we're having right now.
brendan schaub
He looks identical.
eddie bravo
We're having a...
joe rogan
That's so funny.
unidentified
We're having a fart problem at the whole house.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I mean, I think if you can't hold him in, it's like, it's a nice thing to do.
brendan schaub
It's kind of rude to fart on people.
eddie bravo
But you know what?
It's hard enough holding my farts in...
It's hard enough holding my farts in around my wife.
I have to hold...
I don't want to fart around her.
She doesn't want me to fart.
But I'm not going to hold my farts in around my son, too.
That's like having two wives.
unidentified
It's tough.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
Around my son, he's going to get it.
I am not holding shit in.
I'm going to blow fucking ass around him.
joe rogan
Another headline in the OG. Eddie Bravo farts around son, holds it around wife.
eddie bravo
It's hard enough around the wife.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
Horiguchi just tagged Camus.
This is a great scrap, man.
We're missing out on an amazing fight.
brendan schaub
I feel like all the fights have been crazy.
joe rogan
They haven't.
We're just talking about...
brendan schaub
Farts.
unidentified
Rhinos.
brendan schaub
We're talking about an octopus for a solid hour.
joe rogan
Animals and shit.
eddie bravo
Headline.
Octopus farts.
joe rogan
And I said before this podcast that this podcast would not be a regular podcast, but it kind of is.
It's not a fight companion podcast.
That's the big lie.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're barely talking about fights.
brendan schaub
People talk shit.
We don't even talk about fights.
joe rogan
We haven't seen each other in a while, folks.
eddie bravo
I know, man.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
It's the best.
eddie bravo
I fucking hate these things.
joe rogan
Yeah, people do get mad.
But you don't have to listen.
brendan schaub
For the most part, it's all positive.
joe rogan
Chico Camus looks super good in this fight, as does Horiguchi.
They're all tagging each other.
Horiguchi's got that crazy wide stance.
brendan schaub
What time is it over there in Japan right now?
Does anyone know?
eddie bravo
It's 11 a.m.
brendan schaub
Yes, it started early for our viewing pleasure.
joe rogan
Dude, big right hand there by Horaguchi.
This is 11 a.m.
now, Eddie?
brendan schaub
Something like that.
joe rogan
So they probably started at like 9 or something?
brendan schaub
If you're on those prelims, you're waking up early.
joe rogan
Do you adjust?
You must adjust way in advance.
eddie bravo
Dude, I saw your Instagram.
You're doing jiu-jitsu at 7 in the morning.
What the fuck's up with that?
brendan schaub
That's how I roll, man.
eddie bravo
What time do you wake up?
joe rogan
He really just gets up at 7 and takes a photo and puts it up of the night before his training.
unidentified
We rolled the night before, yeah.
eddie bravo
It's like 7 in the morning, you can't sleep.
brendan schaub
I usually wake up early, man.
I usually wake up early.
eddie bravo
You do jujitsu at 7 in the morning?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Jesus, you're one of those dudes.
joe rogan
A lot of guys like that, man.
That's mid-sleep.
Doesn't your boy down in San Diego...
eddie bravo
Boogie, yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't Boogie have a 6am or 6.30am fast?
eddie bravo
I think he switched it up, though.
I think he finally broke down.
I think he doesn't do that anymore.
That's 6am jujitsu.
But there are people.
brendan schaub
Thank God there are people like you.
joe rogan
I follow Boogie on Instagram.
eddie bravo
Boogie woogie.
brendan schaub
I'm not trying to do too much shit.
I'm not trying to do too much shit at 7 a.m.
joe rogan
I like that though, man.
I like to get a good workout in the morning.
unidentified
Me too.
brendan schaub
I feel good.
eddie bravo
What time do you wake up these days?
joe rogan
Depends.
If I have to take the kids to school, you know, depends.
But a lot of times, I'll take like 8 o'clock yoga class.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
God, I really want to start doing yoga, man.
I just can't.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I'm being lazy when it comes to yoga.
joe rogan
I'm getting very close to being able to do jiu-jitsu again.
My shoulder's not bothering me anymore.
I'm going to get another MRI to get it looked at.
But ever since the...
Is this Deontay Wilder?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Is this the highlights?
Is the fight over already?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Wilder got fucked up, dude.
eddie bravo
Who's Deontay?
joe rogan
He had some big fucking black eyes, man.
Look at his eye.
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
Shit.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Wilder cracked.
Oh, my God.
He got cracked.
brendan schaub
Dude, crazy story.
eddie bravo
What about Wilder?
joe rogan
Is this a decision win?
Was it a decision?
11th round TKO? He stopped him in the 11th round?
Deontay's for real.
brendan schaub
Deontay's a fucking monster, man.
He hasn't been fighting that long.
I got recorded.
I'm going to see that one.
I love watching him fight.
joe rogan
Wow, he got a serious fucking black eye.
I fucked up.
I didn't record it, goddammit.
brendan schaub
I don't miss some NBC boxing.
joe rogan
Wasn't there another fight on tonight?
Isn't there another boxing match on tonight?
Is there something on HBO tonight as well?
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I just know this was the big one.
He has a crazy story though.
He trained for like three years and that fool's on the Olympic team.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's getting better too all the time.
You know, he was It's really interesting.
He was one of the guys that was in line for Tyson Fury.
Tyson Fury, they offered him this fight, and instead he took the Vladimir Klitschko fight, and Vladimir fucked his calf up.
brendan schaub
I know, postponed, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, now he's, you know, he's shit out of luck.
brendan schaub
But Wilder's smart, you know, not taking a fight with Klitschko yet.
He's not ready for that.
joe rogan
Well, he's just, you know, he's getting ready, and Klitschko is...
brendan schaub
Getting older.
joe rogan
Unless he's doing drugs...
You know, that's the thing.
And I'm not saying that he is, but I'm not saying that he isn't.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
He's 39 years old.
He looks fucking amazing.
And I just, I don't know.
I don't know who's doing what.
You can't speculate.
But this is the reason for bringing it up, though.
Because if he is doing drugs, he can keep that high level for a much longer time.
brendan schaub
Especially at heavyweight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If he's not doing drugs, you've got to wonder how much time he has left.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
At 39 years of age, the wheels can fall off at any moment.
brendan schaub
That guy has hundreds of fights.
You have to think about his amateur career and his pro career.
I think he's like 63 and 3 or some shit like that.
joe rogan
Well, his brother was a competitive kickboxer, and I think he was too.
I want to say he was a kickboxer.
I thought they were just boxing.
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Was there kickboxing too?
joe rogan
Yeah, his brother fought PKA karate style, above the waist kickboxing.
Jesus.
With the crazy long pants on.
brendan schaub
He must have been a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker.
He actually got knocked out in kickboxing, like that PKA karate style.
I forget who he fought, but he fought some guy who was...
I feel like he got knocked out by a kick.
Look up Vitaly Klitschko gets KO'd.
unidentified
Thanks, boss.
brendan schaub
Dude, I love watching Klitschko's fight.
I don't miss one.
joe rogan
He was an animal, man.
When he was at his best, I watched the Shannon Briggs fight the other day.
Him and Shannon Briggs.
Ooh, what a war.
eddie bravo
Jesus Christ, you guys keep up with boxing and UFC? Well, that- boxing's great right now.
joe rogan
We talked about- I talked about Shannon Briggs on the podcast recently.
Shannon Briggs, I went back and forth with him on Instagram now.
brendan schaub
About what?
joe rogan
A couple times.
Because he's awesome, man.
Every video he does, he- is this Klitschko gets knocked out?
Shannon Briggs has these motivational videos on Instagram.
You gotta follow his Instagram.
Because he's always like, let's go champ!
eddie bravo
Let's go champ!
brendan schaub
Oh, talking shit to Vladimir, right?
unidentified
Trying to get a fight?
joe rogan
Not just talking shit to Vladimir, but talking positive shit like, come on champ!
You gotta put away them sodas, champ!
You gotta drink water, champ!
You gotta be healthy, champ!
You gotta get up early, champ!
Can't be staying out late partying, champ!
And everything is like, let's go champ!
Oh, it's great.
It's hilarious.
But he's funny when he does it, too.
Like, he's laughing and cracking jokes, but...
brendan schaub
Was he the cat trying to get the fight with Vladimir?
And he was like, Vladimir was on the boat.
joe rogan
Will you eat, I eat, champ?
brendan schaub
Will you eat, I eat?
joe rogan
He ate his food.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Vladimir threw some water on him.
He's trying to hype up a fight, man.
brendan schaub
It just never happened.
joe rogan
Well, it might happen now.
It might happen now.
brendan schaub
You think?
joe rogan
Yes.
It's very possible it'll happen now because Briggs just won.
He just knocked out his opponent, I want to say in the second round, but he looked real good, dude.
I mean, I don't know who the dude was that he fought, but he looked sharp, and it was impressive.
And he's got a big following on social media, like Snoop Dogg made this video where he was smoking weed, and Snoop was like, take a big puff, let's go champ, I'm fucking with you champ, I'm out here for you champ, I'm smoking this joint for you champ.
It's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Getting that support.
joe rogan
Well, he's like, it's super positive, like all the stuff that he does is very positive.
eddie bravo
You see that Snoop Dogg video with Lil Dicky?
Have you ever heard of Lil Dicky?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I heard about it.
brendan schaub
No, Lil Dicky, the white guy?
eddie bravo
The Jewish rapper?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's great.
eddie bravo
He's got that song, Save That Money.
brendan schaub
Okay.
eddie bravo
And then he did a song.
He's got a bunch of songs.
unidentified
He's awesome.
eddie bravo
He's incredible.
He's like the most incredible rapper ever.
But he did a song with Snoop Dogg and there's a cartoon that goes along with it.
Fucking incredible.
It's called Professional Rapper.
Holy fucking shit.
Him and Snoop Dogg are going back and forth.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
Oh, he's trying to get Snoop Dogg to sign him.
And Snoop's all, why should I sign you?
And dude, it's one of the most brilliant rap songs ever, man.
It's funny as shit.
joe rogan
That's high praise from Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I was completely floored.
Little Dicky.
joe rogan
Cut to the KO here, will you?
brendan schaub
For the love of God.
joe rogan
Watching a 15 minute video of these two guys in long pants throwing shitty kicks.
God damn it.
brendan schaub
Not looking good here.
joe rogan
But the dude who's the...
There it is.
unidentified
Wheel kick.
Boom.
joe rogan
He got wheel kicked in the mug.
unidentified
See that again.
eddie bravo
Can you rewind that?
joe rogan
Back that up again.
See, the dude...
eddie bravo
That was Klitschko?
joe rogan
Boom, yup.
That was Vitaly.
He got wheel kicked in the head.
Back it up a little bit further than that.
eddie bravo
He started doing contact karate?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
This was kickboxing.
And this dude...
unidentified
With no ring?
joe rogan
No, no ring.
But it was above the waist kickboxing.
But the dude starts getting loose with his kicks.
Look at this.
Bang!
brendan schaub
That was nasty.
joe rogan
That was nice.
unidentified
Whoop.
Bam.
brendan schaub
I mean, shit happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, anybody who gets hit by that is fucked.
I mean, he's sitting his head up.
eddie bravo
How long ago was that?
joe rogan
A long time ago.
brendan schaub
By that video, fucking 1987?
joe rogan
It was a long time ago.
eddie bravo
Good year.
joe rogan
Well, I think Vitaly's older than Vladimir.
eddie bravo
With the date on the bottom and shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Vitaly's like a couple years older.
brendan schaub
He's older, yeah.
joe rogan
And Vladimir is 39. So that could have been from, you know.
Since 92. There you go.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
People are just figuring out Muay Thai back then.
They didn't know.
They didn't know that that no kick into the legs is just stupid as fuck.
It took a few guys going over to Thailand.
It took, like, when Rick the Jek Rufus...
Who the fuck did he fight?
He fought some real high-level Thai guy.
Had the guy hurt real bad.
eddie bravo
He was not really that high-level.
brendan schaub
His record was, like, not impressive at all.
joe rogan
The guy that Rufus fought?
eddie bravo
Yeah, he may have been famous and a legend and all that, but looking at his record, he was, like, 13-6 or something like that.
unidentified
Oh, really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Crazy match.
joe rogan
It was one of the first fights that we ever got to see a guy who really knew how to throw leg kicks, though.
brendan schaub
Fucked his legs up.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked his legs up.
But it was interesting because...
eddie bravo
He beat him by leg kicks and they had to put him in a stretcher, Rick Rufus, in a stretcher because he couldn't walk.
joe rogan
And Duke, who gets interviewed after the fight, was like, well, not a lot of skill involved in that.
He just didn't know.
He didn't know any better.
It's kind of funny because now he's like one of the best Muay Thai for MMA coaches in the country.
It's hilarious.
You watch that when his brother got his legs kicked out.
We didn't know then.
No one knew then.
brendan schaub
When I first saw UFC 2, I was blown away by hoists.
eddie bravo
I was doing karate at the time and to me I was thinking this is probably just primitive ass wrestling.
That's what it looks like.
A real wrestler would fuck him up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
But then I went in and got choked out 37 times and realized, oh shit, it's not primitive wrestling, it's highly advanced wrestling.
joe rogan
I had three big steps going from Taekwondo.
I thought that Taekwondo was the best way to fight stand-up until I started kickboxing.
And I started boxing, just straight boxing with people to get better at kickboxing.
And then I realized, man, Like, my boxing is so far behind these guys, and I thought my hands were so much better than they were.
But at least I have kicks.
And then I started sparring with this kid, this kid named Dana Rosenblatt, who went on to be, like, New England middleweight boxing champion.
Very good boxer.
eddie bravo
He fought on Tuesday Night Fights a bunch.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
And you were only boxing with him?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
We did some kickboxing too, but we did a lot of only boxing.
But the point is, he had a friend that was fighting in Thailand.
He had this friend that was crazy.
He would go over to Thailand and fight the Thais.
And he was a real pioneer.
This dude was like one of the first Americans to start going over there training in Thailand and fighting Thailand.
We hadn't really heard about it then.
And so Dana and I were going over some of the techniques and we were talking about some of it.
And we were talking about the elbows and the kicks.
And we were practicing some of it.
And just him hitting me half-assed On the leg, like not trying to hurt me, just him throwing a leg kick and feeling the shin slam into my leg, just like that, just thump.
I remember thinking, oh no, like, oh no, like this is all missing.
I didn't know about this.
Like, how did I not know about this?
Like, this is critical.
And then the clinching and the knees to the body and then the elbows from the clinch, I was like, Jesus Christ, like there's a giant hole missing in all the stand-up.
And then, you know, it never really took off because of that PKA karate shit.
You know, the PKA karate kind of, like, spoiled people to the idea of kickboxing.
I think that, like, Dana White said that.
I think he's right, man.
I think, like, a lot of people in this country that are, like, in our 40s, I mean, we look back on that stuff on TV. If you don't study martial arts, you think of kickboxing as, like, bad Brad Hefton.
Like, with the shiny red shorts, throwing, like, as many, they have to show, like, throw, like, six kicks around.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Otherwise they lose points.
Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they would throw these little flippy kicks and they would get in there with some sloppy boxing.
So it was like flippy kicks and sloppy boxing.
And nobody wanted to watch it.
It just wasn't that good.
It wasn't that evolved.
Until Rick Rufus came along and a few guys came along that were real dynamic.
But it never really caught on.
brendan schaub
It still hasn't, right?
Like kickboxing here, which I don't get...
Like K1, like Glory, or even...
What did Bellator put on?
What was that?
joe rogan
They put on something called Dynamite that was part kickboxing and part MMA. But here's what I think, though, man.
I think kickboxing's dope, and I like watching it, but you know what's better?
Muay Thai.
Muay Thai's better.
You know, because it's the full fucking arsenal of punching, kicking, elbows, and knees, and the clinch.
I watched the lion fight that was this past weekend.
Yeah.
I enjoyed the shit out of it, dude.
brendan schaub
The first fight.
joe rogan
Dream killer Bolanos, did you see that fucking spinning elbow he knocked that dude out with?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
There was two spinning elbow KOs.
Like, dude, elbows are big, man.
It's a big weapon of Muay Thai.
I don't think there's any reason to take that out.
I don't think there's any reason to take elbows out.
I think if organizations like Glory and those, if guys want to just kickbox, let them just kickbox.
But let dudes elbow, man.
unidentified
Let them throw knees in the clinch.
brendan schaub
Aren't they worried about the cuts?
joe rogan
Don't you think so?
I don't know what they're worried about.
brendan schaub
Are those shows successful?
joe rogan
What's on AXS TV has a limited exposure.
There's not as many households that have AXS TV. I don't even think on Spike it does well though.
Glory doesn't do that well.
It doesn't do as well as it probably could for whatever reason.
People don't know who these fighters are yet.
It's not like something that people have been accustomed to.
brendan schaub
Shit, get your fight kit.
joe rogan
But watching the fucking, the Muay Thai on AXS TV, dude.
brendan schaub
I love it.
joe rogan
Nasty.
And this guy, Joe Nottawat, have you ever seen him?
25-year-old Thai guy?
Nasty fucking kicker, dude.
One of the nastiest kickers I've ever seen.
The dude just throws punches to close the distance.
Like his hands are up way high.
Brutal left kick.
Left kick to the body, left kick to just chopping this dude down.
And then once he gets close in on him, he finishes him with actually two elbows to the back of the head.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
It's kind of fucked.
He blasts him with one elbow, and then as the guy's going down, he just fucking tomahawks the back of his neck.
brendan schaub
I record those lion fights.
I watched the first one.
One guy was like two and one.
One guy, I think it was his pro debut, and they fucking went at it.
joe rogan
Have you seen Janssen Clive?
You see Janssen Clive?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
The lion fight is getting these guys from Thailand that are super high-level Thai fighters, and you're seeing some wild, wild fights because of it.
brendan schaub
How much do those guys on Lions Fight make?
Does anyone know?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
brendan schaub
Does anyone know?
unidentified
That's a good question.
brendan schaub
Someone asked me last night, and I said, I don't know, fucking $500?
joe rogan
I think that...
brendan schaub
The guy who was making his debut, I was like, maybe $1,000?
I was trying to think back to my debut in MMA, maybe $1,000?
I got paid $800?
joe rogan
I think it's the most underappreciated thing going on right now, Lion Fight.
I really do.
Those fucking fights are super high level.
brendan schaub
They're so entertaining.
joe rogan
Super exciting.
brendan schaub
They're super entertaining.
joe rogan
Wild, wild shit.
brendan schaub
People are getting dropped.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
They're getting knocked the fuck out.
eddie bravo
They just figured out how to make kickboxing entertaining.
joe rogan
Well, it is Muay Thai.
I think there's a part of the problem with kickboxing is you're able to do this.
You're able to do that Alistair Overeem thing.
Where the gloves come up real high and you just wade in and then they throw kicks and punches.
brendan schaub
They kind of trade, right?
joe rogan
Sometimes they do.
And it's, look, at the highest levels, like when you're watching guys like Nicky Holskin and motherfuckers.
I mean, it's fun to watch at the highest level, no doubt.
But I think you should have the other elements.
I think if it's a stand-up fight, those other, if you can shin a guy across the head, okay, can you shin a guy across the head?
It's legal?
Okay, there's no shin pads.
All right, so why can't you elbow him?
brendan schaub
Yeah, anything should go.
joe rogan
Why?
brendan schaub
Nothing more dangerous than that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So what are we doing here?
What, are you limiting weapons?
Why would you limit weapons in stand-up?
If you limit weapons in stand-up, then you get an unrealistic sense of the development of kickboxing technique, the development of MMA as far as stand-up striking.
Because the guys at the highest level, if you see a guy like a Kevin Ross or one of these super high-level kickboxer guys, and you see that becomes a standard, and then that standard goes like an Artem Levin or a Joe Schilling.
You see that like high standard of style of kickboxing and that becomes the guys who are fighting in MMA aspire to that level.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
I can the higher the level is in kickboxing the higher the level is gonna be in MMA as well.
I think but as soon as you limit certain techniques like you say well they can't throw elbows they can't throw knees well then the then like you're gonna get a distorted perception of it in MMA because in MMA you can do those things.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
What are they saying?
joe rogan
What's shut down?
brendan schaub
What's the reason for that?
eddie bravo
They got a reason.
If a guy was right here, they would say, it's because...
joe rogan
K-1.
That's how K-1 did it.
That's how the Japanese did it.
Everybody followed suit.
eddie bravo
What do they think?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
They're doing it for a reason.
eddie bravo
The Japanese do shit for a reason.
joe rogan
I think they think it's more exciting.
By taking away the clinch, you make guys fight more.
They can't clinch up as much.
Because if you watch Muay Thai, a lot of it takes place in the clinch.
They throw nasty elbows to the body, a lot of sweeps.
They trip each other.
brendan schaub
Don't you think it's barbaric?
I don't mean to cut you off.
Don't you think it's barbaric, too, like with the elbows?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Especially with the American kind of thing.
joe rogan
Why have it in MMA, then?
unidentified
Why is it in MMA? But you can not kick someone in the head.
joe rogan
Everything's in MMA, stand-up-wise.
That's in Muay Thai.
Everything.
brendan schaub
True.
I'm thinking on the ground.
joe rogan
Well, on the ground, there's that one dumb rule.
That's it.
That rule's so dumb.
But that's it.
The one 12-6 elbow rule.
That rule is ridiculous.
It doesn't make any sense.
The rule, if you don't know what it is, you can't go down from, like, on the clock from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock with an elbow.
brendan schaub
I think it's too dangerous.
joe rogan
It's only because the people that were in the Athletic Commission had seen a guy break a brick with that.
They saw that and they're like, you can't hit someone in the head, they could die.
No 12 to 6 elbows.
So you can't even do it to a thigh, which is hilarious.
brendan schaub
Bro, did you see that homeboy, that boxer in Australia died?
unidentified
Who?
Some...
brendan schaub
God, he was...
Whatever, he had like 30-something fights.
He died in...
He got knocked out, didn't wake up.
They took him to the hospital.
He died in the ring.
Yeah.
Doesn't that happen two or three times a year?
No.
I don't think so.
joe rogan
It happens every now and then.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
This was the last one.
Someone tweeted it to me.
I thought they tweeted it to you, too.
I thought you looked at it.
joe rogan
I might have.
It just happens, you know?
It's a part of boxing.
It's a scary part of boxing.
eddie bravo
Bobby Raczak's got this documentary on Gerald McClellan.
unidentified
He did a little doc on him.
joe rogan
That's a crazy story, man.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
I saw that fight live.
Not live.
What happened?
Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan.
brendan schaub
After that fight...
joe rogan
Do you know who Gerald McClellan is?
brendan schaub
I don't.
eddie bravo
He was awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah.
At one point in time, he was one of the scariest boxers alive, and they were thinking that he would be next in line to fight Roy Jones.
They were looking at Roy Jones, and Roy Jones was coming up, and after he'd beaten James Toney, Gerald McClellan was like a destroyer, just smashing everybody.
But he used to cut a lot of weight, man.
He cut a lot of weight.
And back in those days, I think you had to weigh in the day of the fight.
And they didn't know anything about IVs.
They didn't know anything about that shit.
And when you do that, you risk your brain, man.
You just do.
That Novitski guy was on here, and he was saying that they think it might take more than 70 hours.
brendan schaub
It's just 72 hours, right?
joe rogan
72 hours for your brain to completely recover from being dehydrated like that.
And the crazy thing is most of the deaths in boxing are in the lower weight classes.
They're not in the heavyweight where the guys punch the hardest.
It's in the lower weight classes.
And they think it's because of dehydration.
They think that's a significant factor in a lot of these guys dying and hemorrhaging, getting brain hemorrhages in the ring and dying.
They think dehydration is a significant factor.
brendan schaub
So homeboy died.
joe rogan
Well, Jerry McClellan didn't die.
But he was a superstar.
He was a superstar.
He was a world champion.
He was on the rise.
And he hurt Nigel Benn bad.
Knocked him through the ropes.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
But Nigel Benn was a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
Nigel Benn fought with Afrosheen and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he had dreadlocks.
He had crazy dreadlocks.
And Nigel Benn got back in that ring and was fucking slinging.
And they clashed heads.
And Gerald McClellan went down.
And I think that was when he went to his corner and he just stopped the fight.
I think it was right after a head clash.
But I think he had been hit a couple times.
Nigel Benn had tagged him.
I mean, they were teeing off on each other.
And then there was a big collision of heads.
And Gerald took a knee, I think, and stayed down for the count of eight.
And then I think never got up.
I think sat on a stool and then collapsed.
I'm pretty sure that's how it went.
brendan schaub
He didn't die, though?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Why the fuck would they make a documentary of this?
joe rogan
Because he's almost blind.
brendan schaub
From that?
joe rogan
Yep.
He's blind.
He can't talk.
He barely talks.
He barely remembers anything about his career.
He's been taken care of by his sisters.
His body's completely atrophied.
And it's really sad to see, man.
And if you go back before that fight, he was the motherfucker.
You know, he was like one of those guys, like Gennady Golovkin or something like that.
brendan schaub
Fuck, I bet he's set from boxing, though, financially.
joe rogan
No, I don't think so, man.
brendan schaub
I know, I'm obviously 100% joking.
How dare you.
Fuck, that's a bummer.
joe rogan
I think Roy Jones has done some stuff to help, but apparently a lot of people think that that was what had fucked Roy Jones up early in his career and made him play safe.
Uriah Hall is about to fight Gegard Mousasi.
brendan schaub
Eddie, you got Uriah or no?
eddie bravo
No, no, I got Mousasi.
joe rogan
Mousasi, very confident.
eddie bravo
You want to bet on this one, too?
brendan schaub
No, I got Mousasi.
joe rogan
Damn, Mousasi's pressuring him real early, man.
brendan schaub
Not scared.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
If he gets him down early...
Oh, yeah, this one's not going to last very long.
It's hard to keep him down.
joe rogan
Oh, man, he hurt him, too.
Tagged him with a right hand on the ground and pound.
Mousasi all over Uriah Hall.
brendan schaub
Mousasi's a motherfucker, man.
eddie bravo
What are the arm bars?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Big left hand.
Jesus Christ, Mousasi's all over him.
brendan schaub
Super aggressive.
joe rogan
Musashi's got some nasty ground to pound.
I don't know how good Uriah Hall's guard is.
How good is his guard?
You gotta have a good guard.
Musashi's got a high-level ground game, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if there's a knock on Uriah, it's his ground game.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
He's getting teed off on.
These are dangerous shots, dude.
brendan schaub
This is exactly how you fight Uriah, though.
joe rogan
A lot of pressure.
brendan schaub
Don't let him sit back.
eddie bravo
Does he work on his guard a lot?
brendan schaub
Do you know?
Oh, no.
Not from what I saw.
joe rogan
Who's his main trainer right now?
It's the guy who was training Chael, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that black guy.
joe rogan
What is his name?
brendan schaub
I forget.
joe rogan
Racist.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
See how he just...
See that footwork?
brendan schaub
He's about to crucifix him here and go to work with elbows and they're going to stop at TKL. It's going to be too much for him.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
It's too much.
He's got a frame up with that left arm.
brendan schaub
Musashi said, why don't you fly all the way to Japan?
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Nice explosh.
brendan schaub
You know what?
eddie bravo
He keeps the presh.
Look at that.
The presh.
He can't get back up.
brendan schaub
Such a smart fighter, man.
You look at the guys he's beat.
Jacare, Hector Lombard.
joe rogan
Henderson.
brendan schaub
Such a list, man.
joe rogan
Look at that big elbow.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
His ground and pound's fucking ferocious and it's intelligent too.
He does a real good job.
brendan schaub
Smart fighter, man.
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
That was a big elbow.
The amount of shots that he gets in versus attempted is very high.
brendan schaub
He's gonna break your ass.
joe rogan
He knows when he can tee off on you and when he can't.
If you look at his percentage of landing ground and pound strikes, he's pretty high.
eddie bravo
Dude, look at the arm triangle.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
Arm triangle's gonna pass higher.
brendan schaub
It's over, sorry.
joe rogan
Does Uriah Hall know to hold on to that guard?
brendan schaub
Well, his hands caught it and he doesn't have it.
He's fine.
Yeah, he's fine.
eddie bravo
No, he's fine right now.
joe rogan
Left hand.
eddie bravo
But you know what?
joe rogan
Back now, look at this crucifix.
eddie bravo
It's a crucifix.
brendan schaub
I tell you what, man.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got that left leg trapped.
Oh, look at this.
Uriah can still explode a little.
He can explode a little.
But he doesn't have the confidence to try to get up here.
brendan schaub
No, he's going to be worn out.
He's got double underhooks.
joe rogan
He's got half guard and double underhooks.
brendan schaub
He just doesn't have the seat set to get up and use it.
eddie bravo
It's a reverse half guard.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
On the other side.
brendan schaub
Hang on to that head.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny, Eddie?
He would have to have his head on the right-hand side for it to be more effective.
On his right-hand side.
eddie bravo
On his.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Full mount.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Tell you what, that's a long-ass flight back home to the U.S. from Japan.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that mount escape.
Look at that.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
It attacks with a leg.
eddie bravo
That was a very nice mount escape, and this is some good swamp walking by...
brendan schaub
I know you're at Holes working his jiu-jitsu with Jason Manley, who's a fucking monster.
Leg monster.
joe rogan
Really?
Well, that's not bad right there.
brendan schaub
Not good.
joe rogan
At least he's attempting to get out of that position.
eddie bravo
Yeah, at least he got out of the mount.
joe rogan
He's going for the leg again.
brendan schaub
There's hope now.
joe rogan
He's trying to go for the leg again.
He's just way, way shallow.
brendan schaub
He's working with Manley, though.
joe rogan
He's way shallow, though.
eddie bravo
He's got to let go of that leg right now.
joe rogan
But he's going to give up his back and go for it.
eddie bravo
Look, he's going back to it.
joe rogan
Oh, backing his guard again, though.
But Kegar is smart.
He didn't play the game right there.
He just said, well, I'll just wind up in your guard again.
brendan schaub
Such a smart fighter.
Yeah, and he knows how to pass professionally.
Not to mention...
joe rogan
That's not a good defense of the pass either by Uriah.
eddie bravo
But he doesn't have it.
joe rogan
He doesn't have it.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
eddie bravo
Look at that, son!
joe rogan
Oh!
eddie bravo
Uriah turns it around!
joe rogan
Holy shit!
brendan schaub
That's some Jason Manley shit, man.
I'm telling you, that's Jason Manley's stuff.
joe rogan
You must know.
Because the way he did it from having no fucking control of the legs at all, that's classic.
brendan schaub
That's what Jason Manley teaches.
joe rogan
But isn't that a classic defense?
eddie bravo
Yeah, Jason Manley's really good at rolling Kimuras.
brendan schaub
He explodes to Kimuras.
joe rogan
That's the classic, right?
The overcommitment for the Kimura, and then there's a spinning far side arm bar counter.
brendan schaub
He's so good at it.
joe rogan
George St. Pierre and Matt Hughes, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but he initiated the Kimura, Uriah Hall.
And Mousasi thought about spinning it on him, but he spun back on him.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
Look at this.
Mount and then back control.
45 sec to go.
Not good for you to be in this position.
brendan schaub
If you're fighting Uriah, you want to take away his explosiveness.
This is doing it.
joe rogan
It is.
Let's see how good his defense is from here.
There he goes.
Body triangle now.
brendan schaub
Wear him out with that body training, son.
eddie bravo
He's got to get him down again.
I mean, this balance is going to be over.
He's going to survive.
Can he take him down again?
I mean...
brendan schaub
He took him down pretty easily.
unidentified
Motherfucker!
It's over.
eddie bravo
He's got it.
joe rogan
He's got it locked in there.
He's got it locked in there.
brendan schaub
He's got the hand on him, son!
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
eddie bravo
I thought it was over.
joe rogan
You see how he just snatched it?
13 seconds.
eddie bravo
He lulled him to sleep, and then he just snatched that thing.
joe rogan
I don't want him to tap, man.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
I want this to continue.
eddie bravo
He got it.
He got it.
brendan schaub
You're right.
eddie bravo
Let him break your jaw.
joe rogan
Woo!
eddie bravo
That was awesome.
joe rogan
How great is a fight when you want to see the...
Don't tap.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, don't tap.
I want to see it keep going.
joe rogan
But that was pretty slick.
brendan schaub
He came out like a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Slick rear naked, man.
Very slick.
eddie bravo
Look, octopus.
joe rogan
You know, is it funny that they have this commercial, this fucking monster from the swamp, the Kraken or something, kills these dudes?
How much different is that than an alligator?
They see those bitches all the time.
eddie bravo
Dude, alligators are stupid as fuck.
It's scarier when they're smart, dude.
brendan schaub
Nothing's scarier than octopus.
That's true.
eddie bravo
That's a B movie right there.
unidentified
Any problem?
eddie bravo
That's some scary Nightmare on Elm Street octopus movie that comes out of the water.
They can come out at night.
They can stay out for 30 minutes.
brendan schaub
Dude, I saw some gnarly ass crocodiles in Costa Rica, man.
eddie bravo
And if it's raining, oh shit, if it's raining, that giant killer octopus can fucking track you down up the mountains.
It can hide in trees and shit.
Think about that.
joe rogan
Do you ever see the octopus that climbs out of the fish tank and goes across the floor?
eddie bravo
It happens all the goddamn time.
unidentified
There's a million videos on YouTube of that shit.
eddie bravo
It's incredible how many octopus videos there are on YouTube.
brendan schaub
Round two, baby.
joe rogan
Round two.
So, here's the question.
The first round, clear to Gegard, right?
Total control.
But Uriah...
eddie bravo
I mean, can it take him down again?
joe rogan
Yeah, can it take him down again?
brendan schaub
I think Uriah's going to be hesitant.
eddie bravo
You know, Chael Sonnen took Anderson...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
brendan schaub
Oh, shit, son.
eddie bravo
Don't stop it.
brendan schaub
Don't stop it, yeah.
No, no, don't stop it.
Don't stop it, you dumb motherfucker.
That's Gegard.
joe rogan
Oh, he's getting smashed.
Oh, shit!
You gotta stop it now.
Holy fuck!
eddie bravo
Dude, he landed that spinning kick.
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
See, this is what I was saying before the fight, that this guy has moments where his movement...
eddie bravo
Damn, he got you in that discussion.
joe rogan
His movement is so extraordinary.
eddie bravo
You were saying the best things.
unidentified
You were.
eddie bravo
You were saying all the right things.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you were right in the first round.
In the first round, you were perfectly right.
He really did what you thought he would do in the first round.
brendan schaub
That's how you fight him.
eddie bravo
Super high level.
Chael Sonnen took Anderson Silva down the first round.
He was all over him.
And I thought, man, can he do that for five rounds?
And he couldn't.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Could Uriah Hall have the explosiveness left in that second round after getting mauled in the first, too?
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Spinning back kick to the fucking mud and flying knee.
Come on, son.
See, like I'm saying, man, what I'm saying about, look at that movement.
When you see, they're probably going to show it one more time, but look how there's no fat in that movement.
The way he throws this, watch this.
Dude, you don't see that coming.
There's no give.
brendan schaub
You can't train for that.
joe rogan
You can train to never be close while he's doing something.
brendan schaub
That timing's tough.
joe rogan
His speed is so good, dude.
eddie bravo
That'll be a highlight.
brendan schaub
Forever.
Mousasi's a legend.
joe rogan
This is a legit stoppage, man.
This is a legit stoppage.
I know Mousasi would probably say it's not, but he's not doing anything right there.
You gotta give it to him, man.
brendan schaub
What a win for Uriah.
Holy balls.
joe rogan
That was spectacular.
brendan schaub
That was amazing.
joe rogan
See, and that's kind of what I meant.
That's kind of what I meant when I'm talking about what he can do in moments.
eddie bravo
That's exactly what you meant.
joe rogan
That's exactly what I meant.
brendan schaub
Well, if Uriah gets off-season enough confidence from this, good luck the next guy fights.
eddie bravo
What do you go from side with Brendan?
I'm like, Brendan's making all the valid points here.
But you were right.
We were both wrong.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, he did threaten off his back in the first round with that armbar, so you know that he is working on his jiu-jitsu.
He's 100% working on his jiu-jitsu.
Because that was pretty slick, the way he set that up.
And he caught Musashi off guard.
unidentified
Musashi didn't know that.
brendan schaub
With a high-level coach, too.
Jason Manley's a monster.
joe rogan
Well, I've been around guys like that before.
These guys who can pull off those wild spinning techniques like from the Taekwondo days.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I know like what a high level looks like.
And his is a super high level, man.
And he's just so physically sharp.
Like he's so fast.
Like once he gets the technique down, and he obviously has it down perfect, he can pull the trigger faster than almost anybody you're going to bring in to imitate him.
brendan schaub
There's really only one knock on your eye.
It's always been his mental state.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
And that win over Musashi is fucking enormous.
joe rogan
Giant.
And especially a stoppage win.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Jump spinning back kick to the face.
brendan schaub
Especially after coming back for that first round, right?
Got destroyed.
Couldn't go any worse.
eddie bravo
People learn the mental game.
The mental game can come from experience.
Because I remember Gary Goodridge, back when he first started fighting, his first loss or his second loss, he would tap really quick.
Just from the stinging of the punches on the ground, people would tap to the stinging.
But then by the end of his career, he was kickboxing K-1, taking...
Full-blown shots.
And he learned to survive and take those shots.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, he did.
And Gary went on to fight some serious fucking contenders in K-1.
He fought some high-level guys in K-1.
And in MMA, too, man.
Gary fought a lot of crazy fights.
brendan schaub
Yo, can we please see Uriah Hall and Leona Machida next, or what?
unidentified
Ooh.
brendan schaub
Boom!
Joe Silva, you're welcome.
joe rogan
Or Uriah Hall versus Michael Bisping.
How about that?
brendan schaub
Bisping has a fight against Whitaker, and then Anderson Silva wants to fight him after that.
joe rogan
Against Whitaker?
brendan schaub
Whitaker in Australia.
eddie bravo
So this fight takes Uriah Hall over the top?
joe rogan
Who didn't Robert Whitaker used to fight at?
170, right?
brendan schaub
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Now he's gonna fight at 185?
brendan schaub
In Australia.
Bisping's on that card.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
brendan schaub
Interesting, right?
Weird fight for Bisping.
joe rogan
Who's Whitaker lost to?
He got stopped by someone who was like a really good striker.
What was that?
unidentified
Pull up Robert Whittaker's record.
brendan schaub
When Bisbee told me that, we were on set and he told me that, I went, that's an interesting fight for you.
joe rogan
Big, big, big, big, big fucking win for Uriah Hall.
brendan schaub
Fuck!
Doesn't get much bigger than that.
Number six in the world?
Y'all put Uriah in the top ten.
joe rogan
Makes Joe Rogan look like he knows what the fuck he's talking about.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Whittaker lost to Thompson.
joe rogan
Stephen Thompson, that's the guy.
unidentified
Wonderboy.
joe rogan
Wonderboy.
He's another one.
When he got more and more comfortable with takedown defense and grappling, and he's spending so much time with Weidman working on his wrestling, then you got to see it in the Ellenberger fight.
You got to see what a motherfucker he is.
brendan schaub
Well, they get confident because they're not worried if the fight goes down there anymore.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
They're like, ah, if it does go down, then I'm all right.
joe rogan
Well, they know that they can defend, and they also know when they are standing, you can't fuck with Wonderboy, dude.
brendan schaub
No one can.
joe rogan
It's also a different style, because just like Uriah Hall, Uriah Hall has more of a karate style than he does a Thai style.
100%.
When he throws round kicks, he throws them without the windup, so they land quicker.
A lot of the Thai guys, they're doing these steps and everything's coming round.
They're chopping, but everything's coming round.
Uriah's throwing shit.
If you don't train with a guy like that, you don't know those movements.
You don't know, oh, if I'm standing this close to him, he can jump, spinning back, kick me in the face quicker than I can get away from him.
brendan schaub
It's the Machida effect.
When Machida first came on, guys were like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
He can do more, though.
Machida never did this.
Machida never did that.
He never did that in a fight.
brendan schaub
He ate that fucking horse kick to the face.
joe rogan
Machida would throw round kicks and knees and punches, and he did that jumping front kick to Randy.
brendan schaub
I'm saying at the time, people haven't seen it.
His movement in and out, and guys couldn't...
They couldn't get the distance and they're getting knocked out.
joe rogan
That's true.
brendan schaub
Now with Uriah, I think Gegard thought he was safe and ate a fucking heel to the face.
joe rogan
Dude, I mean, that kind of speed from that distance and the way he does it with no wind-up, man.
brendan schaub
He's a crazy athlete.
joe rogan
There's no telegraphing it.
He's a great athlete, but it's also intelligent preparation.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
Because to train someone to throw those things on a trigger like that with no wind-up at all, that's the ultimate goal.
It's to have an athlete who's a really good athlete who also listens and trains intelligently to the point where there's no wind-up.
He just jumps and kicks.
brendan schaub
Goddamn, what a win.
What a fucking win for him.
Eddie, you could have made your money there, brother.
joe rogan
Was he a Tiger Shulman guy?
Is that where he started?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Is it?
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
Amazing.
brendan schaub
He's a second-degree black belt, right?
joe rogan
I think so.
You know what's amazing?
Like, Tiger Shulman was like, blam, look at that.
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
He ducked right into it.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
And then this.
unidentified
Nasty.
joe rogan
I think Musashi might have thought it was a wheel kick.
Instead, he hit him with that jump-spinning back kick to the face.
unidentified
God, dog.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Boom!
Oh, my goodness.
That is insane.
And then that knee, dude.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
I think this is how people expected you had a fight coming off the Ultimate Fighter.
Remember when he lost that one fight, there was a little bit of letdown, and then he's just doing work now.
eddie bravo
It reminds me of Pele.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
If the fucking fight went the way the first round went, you wouldn't be saying this, which is what's amazing.
You were right, and I was right.
We were both right.
But he figured it out.
He figured it out, man.
brendan schaub
He's awfully made adjustments.
Good luck whoever fights him next.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
He's gonna learn from that first round, too, that that could happen to him in the grappling.
So he's gonna have to concentrate on his grappling even more.
He's gonna have to bring it up to another level.
brendan schaub
True, but he knows he survived.
He was in some dangerous shit, man.
joe rogan
Mounted.
He almost got choked.
brendan schaub
Side control.
joe rogan
I mean, how close did he come to tapping?
brendan schaub
Triangle.
Yeah, rear naked.
unidentified
Twice.
eddie bravo
Oh, that was close.
joe rogan
That was close.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Think about that.
It makes the victory even sweeter.
brendan schaub
It's an amazing win.
How about this fight?
Not this one, but DC vs.
unidentified
Alexander.
joe rogan
It's a very interesting fight.
You know, you wonder what Gustafson can do on the feet.
You know, like, can he keep DC off of him?
Yeah, it's all he's going to be about.
unidentified
Can he keep the fight standing?
brendan schaub
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Can he keep the fight standing?
Does he try to take DC down the way he tries to take John down?
Does he try to, you know, like to let him know really early on, hey, I can take you down too?
Does he try to do what Jones did at DC? He ain't taking DC down.
eddie bravo
That's not happening.
joe rogan
You would say that, but you wouldn't think that he would take Jones down either.
brendan schaub
He took him down twice, correct?
joe rogan
DC's different, though.
brendan schaub
John took DC down.
joe rogan
But the word was that John did not take the Gustafson fight very seriously in training.
brendan schaub
That's what I've heard.
joe rogan
That is the word.
We're not lying about that.
Whether or not that would have played a factor, whether or not Gustafson would have been able to take him down anyway, we don't know.
brendan schaub
I feel like this fight's not getting enough hype.
joe rogan
It's getting no hype.
brendan schaub
Zero hype.
eddie bravo
I haven't heard anybody talk about it.
It's because Jon Jones is right there still.
brendan schaub
He's the elephant in the room.
Will Jon beat both of them?
So it's like, alright, well, there you go.
joe rogan
Eddie just nailed it.
That's exactly what it is.
brendan schaub
Zero hype.
joe rogan
I mean, and John is just so, everybody knows he's so good.
He's so special.
And that's also what's tragic about it, you know?
brendan schaub
What a great comeback story, though.
joe rogan
Amazing.
If he could pull it off, it's amazing.
brendan schaub
I bet he does.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, look at Josh Barnett, the triathlon runner.
brendan schaub
Look at their records.
Just a ton of fights.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Josh Barnett looks leaner than I've ever seen him.
brendan schaub
Ever.
It's the best in shape I've ever seen him.
joe rogan
How much did he weigh?
brendan schaub
Good question.
He still has to be 50. You think so?
High 40s.
For sure.
He's a big boy.
joe rogan
Eddie, what's the guess?
How much did Josh Parnett win?
brendan schaub
If he was...
unidentified
I'm going to say 240. 245. I'll say 48. 248. Can we find out?
joe rogan
Let's see.
We'll find out here.
245. What does it say?
brendan schaub
We need the official way.
It's not the old one.
joe rogan
Yeah, the problem is a lot of times when I read these things off at the fights, they have a tail of the tape.
brendan schaub
Maybe we go to the video of the weigh-in.
eddie bravo
There's got to be that.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is for heavyweights, the only way you hear it is if, like, Bruce Buffer's saying it correctly.
39. Because, like, sometimes on my sheet that I'll get, like, say, you know, I get a sheet from the UFC that shows a fighter's record, and I'll get the weight that they used to weigh in other fights.
Like, sometimes they'll be heavier or lighter.
eddie bravo
So it says 239?
brendan schaub
Whoa, Nelson, 269. Whoa.
So he was over?
joe rogan
Yeah, by four pounds.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck, I forgot.
Barnett was 239. Who said 239?
joe rogan
Powerful Jamie nailed it.
brendan schaub
Hold up.
He can't be 269, otherwise he got penalized, right?
joe rogan
Must have had to either give up 20% of his purse or lose the weight.
brendan schaub
Hold up.
Roy got fatter?
joe rogan
Maybe he lost the weight.
Wouldn't be hard, right?
brendan schaub
I don't know, bro.
joe rogan
He probably was shocked.
brendan schaub
Dude, that Uriah Hall fight I still can't get over.
That's fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it was what we're saying.
He can do some shit, man, that not a lot of guys can do.
And I knew guys like that.
I knew a lot of guys like that from my Taekwondo days.
There was guys that just had this ability to explode with lightning fast spinning techniques that if you weren't ready for it, dude, you got lit up.
You got fucked up.
brendan schaub
Uh, fuckin' Rothwell and Stipe are fighting real soon, right?
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
There was this kid that I used to know.
His name was Larry Jones.
And his legs went all the way up to his ribs.
His hips, like, started here.
He was a tall dude.
He was, like, 6'3", maybe, somewhere around then.
But his legs were, like, way longer than he was tall.
brendan schaub
He looked weird.
He looked like the monster from Monsters, Inc.
joe rogan
He had legs that were perfectly designed for kicking you.
And this guy, when we talk about talented dudes, physically talented dudes who could throw kicks that no one saw coming, I used to watch this guy kick the bag and I would just be marveled.
Just marveled.
I couldn't believe what he could do with his legs.
He would throw these front leg sidekicks that would just bend this bag in half.
Because he was a big dude.
Larry was probably like, 220 natural pounds, 6'3 lean, didn't lift any weights.
brendan schaub
Built for kicking.
joe rogan
Built for kicking.
Like, all of his weight, I mean, it might not have been even that heavy.
It might have been like 200 pounds now that I think about it.
But he wasn't a weightlifter at all.
Like, it was all just throwing kicks and running up hills and shit like that.
But he would kick the bag and you just go, what the fuck, man?
Like, you've never seen anything like it.
He would throw these spinning techniques.
And ever since that, I was like, how come I haven't seen a guy who can move like that in MMA? And then you start slowly seeing like Barboza can do it.
You know, a few other guys can do it.
They can move like that with that kind of speed and their spins.
Barboza has the quickest kicks I've ever seen in my life.
Never seen anybody quick.
brendan schaub
Does he have a fight scheduled?
joe rogan
I hope so.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
eddie bravo
I was telling Michael Jai White, you know who he is?
Big, giant, karate guy.
I was just telling him about Joe Rogan's turning sidekicks and all the stories and all that shit.
And he's at my gym.
He's big.
He's like 6'4", 240 pounds.
brendan schaub
Did karate his whole life and shit.
And I'm telling him about Joe Rogan's turning sidekicks, how amazing it is.
And he goes, okay, let me see you throw one.
eddie bravo
So he throws one.
After all this shit I talk about, Joe, at Legends, where 10th Planet headquarters used to be, he fucking throws one turning sidekick, breaks the bag, the chain, off the ceiling.
He breaks it all the ceiling and lands.
I'm like, oh shit, Chris Riley's gonna be fucking pissed.
We're trying to put it back up.
I'm holding it back up.
And it's like the chain totally broke off.
And then we just left it on the ground as a ground and pound bag.
But I couldn't say anything about Joe Rogan anymore.
This motherfucker just broke his bag.
joe rogan
Michael Chai White is an athlete, dude.
unidentified
He has clean technique, too.
brendan schaub
That's Spawn, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Spawn.
He's got clean karate technique, man.
I think he hopping side kicked it, right?
eddie bravo
Turning side kick.
brendan schaub
It was a turning side kick.
eddie bravo
Blew the bag off the ceiling.
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
They weren't very good at keeping those bags on the ceiling.
brendan schaub
I assumed that.
joe rogan
I broke that chain, too, before.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I broke that chain.
You did?
Yeah, that chain got broken a few times.
eddie bravo
I was talking about the video with GSP and going, fuck.
joe rogan
That was a different bag, though.
Remember, that was a center bag, and the GSP bag was a bag to the far right?
A couple people broke that bag, but you gotta be a motherfucker to break that bag.
That chain was really chintzy.
eddie bravo
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
But when he hit it, he hit it perfect.
I've seen him do a lot of other stuff, too.
I've seen him throw a lot of kicks.
He kicks real good.
eddie bravo
Holy shit, he's huge.
brendan schaub
He's giant.
joe rogan
He's a super athlete.
When you watch Michael Jai White in movies, watch him do all that stuff in movies, that guy can do that shit for real.
brendan schaub
What's he do now?
eddie bravo
He makes movies.
joe rogan
He does a lot of TV shows and shit.
He's always doing something.
I saw him on some sitcom.
eddie bravo
It's the craziest thing, because I coordinated some fights for Never Back Down 2. Some of his fights.
He wanted some high-level jiu-jitsu in there.
brendan schaub
And if you watch Never Back Down 2, dude, he's twistering and crotch-ripping people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
I forgot when you guys went down there for that.
eddie bravo
It's crazy how...
How quickly and on the spot those fights get put together.
Because we're just on the set.
unidentified
Just figuring it out.
eddie bravo
And we're like, okay, this next fight we need to...
We have like a basic idea that we go over like three times and we need to start filming.
brendan schaub
Bro, this is the heaviest I've ever seen Roy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's pretty big, man.
That ain't good.
brendan schaub
That gut is...
joe rogan
That's not a good sign.
brendan schaub
Could be a power gut, son.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It might be.
Maybe not though, right?
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
If I lose this one, that's $2,000.
joe rogan
Did you bet on Roy?
Did you bet on Roy?
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
I have Roy.
eddie bravo
But it seems like a sure bet.
But anything can happen.
joe rogan
There's no sure bets.
brendan schaub
There's no sure bets, but yes.
joe rogan
When a dude punches as hard as Roy does, you fucking never know, man.
brendan schaub
I just think Barnett's gonna close the distance, drag him to the mat, and do work.
joe rogan
I hope so.
Michael Jai White is a black belt in Kyokushin.
eddie bravo
The journey to zero begins now.
brendan schaub
Bring it!
joe rogan
You know, Jai White has done that thing where you have to spar, like, multiple people in a day.
He's done those crazy Kyokushin competitions where, you know, like, to get your black belt or something like that, they make you fight, like, fucking ten different dudes.
eddie bravo
He talked about that on my podcast.
He's done a lot of that shit.
30 guys in one day.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's real.
They'll make you spar, like, 30 guys.
unidentified
Like, each guy does, like, a few minutes.
eddie bravo
He was so big and so fast and so strong, I'm sure there was no problem for him.
He's a monster.
joe rogan
It's a weird style, too, because they punch full blast to the body, and then they kick full blast to the head, and they stand right in front of each other, and they don't wear any pads.
So there's a lot of kicks coming out of nowhere.
unidentified
You can punch to the head, too?
joe rogan
Or just kick to the head, right?
No, you can't punch to the head.
brendan schaub
Just kick to the head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's hard as you can.
brendan schaub
It's a weird fucking gig.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of those guys went off into kickboxing.
A lot of those guys in the early days of kickboxing, a lot of those guys were kyokushin guys that learned how to punch.
Learned how to punch the face, learned how to box, you know?
But their kicks were extraordinary.
They would throw kicks from like real weird angles because they would stand like Rock'em Sock'em Robot style right in front of each other sometimes and then throw those chopping...
Kicks?
Pretty sure Fetosa's first style was kyokushin.
A lot of those guys would throw that Brazilian kick.
That was like part of the style.
eddie bravo
Who was the Brazilian in K1 who was throwing axe kicks?
joe rogan
That's Feitoso, right?
eddie bravo
No, there was another guy.
Was it Filho?
joe rogan
Francisco Filho?
Yes.
Both of them.
Glaube Feitoso and Filho.
Two high-level Brazilian guys.
brendan schaub
We haven't really seen axe kicks land in MMA yet, have we?
joe rogan
Oh, not really.
eddie bravo
We haven't seen that.
We've seen cartwheel kicks.
You know, Alan Joban's throwing.
brendan schaub
He's known for cartwheel kicks.
eddie bravo
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, so was, what's his name?
eddie bravo
Anthony Pettis?
joe rogan
Dwight Anderson Silva.
brendan schaub
Dwight Anderson Silva?
joe rogan
Brian Ebersole.
It was his joke.
His nickname was T-W-A-S. That's ridiculous.
He was a silly dude.
He's a dude.
He just retired.
brendan schaub
He had the arrow shaved in his chest.
eddie bravo
I could see that guy having a podcast.
Like a successful podcast, right?
brendan schaub
For sure.
eddie bravo
Because Chael Sonnen, holy shit, dude.
He is a murderer.
Have you heard his podcast?
brendan schaub
Is it great?
eddie bravo
He crushes, dude.
He smashes.
joe rogan
It's perfect for him.
eddie bravo
He's gonna be the new Jim Rome.
He's so good.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
It's perfect for him.
brendan schaub
He just signed with World Series of Fighting, too, play-by-play.
joe rogan
Good.
You know, look, man.
eddie bravo
That guy can talk.
joe rogan
Chael Sonnen is one of the...
Until Conor McGregor came along, I said he was the greatest shit-talker of all time.
But Conor took shit to another level.
eddie bravo
Watch The Ultimate Fighter.
Oh, man.
Conor is wicked with shit-talking.
joe rogan
Look at Josh Barnett lean as fuck.
brendan schaub
Trying to get that modeling contract, son.
Said, fuck this, fuck you.
eddie bravo
He's been hanging out with Victor Webster too much.
joe rogan
Hasn't he been doing a lot of movies and stuff?
brendan schaub
Movies, yeah.
joe rogan
He's done a lot of acting, right?
brendan schaub
He's been doing some wrestling stuff in Japan, like the fake wrestling.
joe rogan
Pro wrestling?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Don't say fake, bro.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Have some respect.
They're in Japan right now.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
Josh Barnett, best catch wrestler.
brendan schaub
Damn, Roy's almost 40?
joe rogan
261, it says.
eddie bravo
All of a sudden, Roy Nelson's a hipster.
joe rogan
But hey, why does it say 261?
brendan schaub
That guy is tough on that belly...
joe rogan
Is it 269 or 261?
eddie bravo
It says 1 to me.
joe rogan
He probably took a giant shit and he came in and weighed himself again and he was 261. The YouTube video at the way end is 261. Okay.
eddie bravo
Bruce Buffer, I was on his podcast.
That motherfucker can host.
Have you been on Bruce Buffer's podcast?
brendan schaub
I've been on Bruce and Chase.
eddie bravo
He's a natural host.
Of course.
brendan schaub
I was shocked how good he was.
eddie bravo
That guy's a professional host.
He's really, really good.
joe rogan
Well, think about how good he is as an announcer.
No one's better.
Never been a better announcer ever.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but there's a big difference between ring announcer and holding down a show.
brendan schaub
Well, he has no off button.
He has no off button.
I've seen him at restaurants in fucking Venice.
They're like, Brendan!
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub.
brendan schaub
How you doing?
joe rogan
Just getting back from my karate lesson.
eddie bravo
Dude, Bruce Buffer.
brendan schaub
Brendan, when we surfing?
eddie bravo
Coming back from Abu Dhabi, he hooked my ass up, man.
He fucking hooked me up.
unidentified
He's the man.
eddie bravo
Bruce Buffer, man, it's a long story, but he got me.
He used all his miles to get me business class.
I had economy coming back from Sao Paulo.
brendan schaub
That's so cool.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he was so cool.
He hooked it all up.
I'm like, well, you don't have to fuck.
brendan schaub
That's so cool.
eddie bravo
I needed like 50,000 miles or something to do that shit.
joe rogan
Wow.
eddie bravo
It was crazy.
He hooked it up.
joe rogan
That's so cool.
eddie bravo
That's a 15 hour flight.
Yeah.
Sao Paulo to LA direct business class.
That was huge.
joe rogan
I just did it.
eddie bravo
That was huge.
joe rogan
I just did it for the Ronda fight.
I flew Rio to Sao Paulo.
Sao Paulo one way.
eddie bravo
There's no one direct route from Rio?
joe rogan
No.
To LA? There's no direct flight to Rio.
You fly to Miami and then you fly to Rio.
brendan schaub
Or Atlanta, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I fly Atlanta to Rio.
But Sao Paulo is a direct flight from LA, so I just went that way.
brendan schaub
Dude, I feel like these guys have to fight each other before they retire, right?
It's like two vets, man.
joe rogan
It's a good fight.
This is going to be interesting.
brendan schaub
Barnett's such a fucking vet.
So is Roy.
joe rogan
Barnett thinks that he just has way too many tools and he fights too smart.
He thinks that Roy is just too one-dimensional.
And it's interesting that his approach to this fight was to get lean and to watch his diet.
Whereas, you know, that's like counter, completely counter to how Roy behaves.
brendan schaub
It's such an interesting fight, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, Roy isn't hiring no dietitian.
brendan schaub
There's two fucking pure fighters, two vets, man.
joe rogan
What was Roy's last fight?
brendan schaub
Roy's last fight was when...
joe rogan
Mark Hunt fight.
brendan schaub
Mark Hunt.
He got knocked out by Mark Hunt.
joe rogan
And then he fight again after that?
brendan schaub
Before that, he fought.
No, he hasn't fought.
Before that, he knocked out Noguera.
And then before that, he lost three.
joe rogan
Do you remember this shit?
He had a giant victory over Noguera, which was crazy huge.
brendan schaub
In Abu Dhabi.
joe rogan
That KO was terrifying.
brendan schaub
True.
It was scary.
I never want Nog to fight ever again after that.
joe rogan
Terrifying knockout.
brendan schaub
But so then he lost to DC, Frank Mir, beat Nog, got knocked out by Mark Hunt, and now he's fighting this.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Mark Hunt one exposed like some holes in his striking when, you know, Mark Hunt is just so slick and experienced.
brendan schaub
Oh, damn!
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying, dude.
You got to be always careful of that shit from Roy.
brendan schaub
Come on, Big Roy.
I got a thousand on it, son.
eddie bravo
It's amazing that he gets that entire mullet and that little hairball.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo, if you're $2,000 in the hole, you might have to rub his feet or something.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'm gonna need my cash, son.
eddie bravo
We're gonna keep it rolling.
I'm gonna need my cash, son.
I'm going back on that shit.
brendan schaub
I get lucrative, son.
joe rogan
Oh, big kick by Barnett!
eddie bravo
Yes, come on, Josh!
The journey to zero begins today.
joe rogan
Looking for the guillotine.
eddie bravo
Oh, look, he's trying to take him down.
unidentified
Holy shit, son!
joe rogan
Roy takes him down.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
I want to see these guys grapple, son.
Have we ever seen this?
Roy Nelson taking someone down?
brendan schaub
Yes, Crow Cop.
joe rogan
Did it work?
brendan schaub
And I'm the ultimate fighter.
He crucified people.
joe rogan
Roy's got his head pinned up against the cage.
brendan schaub
Roy's heavy on top.
joe rogan
Let's see, man.
eddie bravo
Look at him.
He's grabbing the fence.
joe rogan
If Josh Barnett gets tapped here, you know how goddamn crazy that would be.
unidentified
You know what?
eddie bravo
He's got the underhook on the wrong side here.
Look at this.
He's got the inside underhook on the...
brendan schaub
How much time does Josh spend on his back as a catch wrestler?
unidentified
That's a good question.
eddie bravo
He went for an armbar against Ted Williams, you know, 15 years ago.
brendan schaub
That was in 1998, son.
unidentified
Do you remember that shit?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's old school, man.
unidentified
Dude, you remember?
brendan schaub
I thought I had you.
joe rogan
God damn it.
Remember Ted Williams got mad?
You always talk about how good the guard is, how important the guard is.
eddie bravo
Oh, dude, that was an article.
joe rogan
Ted Williams was like, why don't you try doing the guard on me?
They're like, well, you're not the same size.
eddie bravo
What are you talking about?
A grappling magazine, he had an interview and it said, the guard is dead.
He's the one who started the guard.
unidentified
The guard is dead.
eddie bravo
He started the guard is dead.
joe rogan
He needs a row at Verdum and then re-avise that statement.
brendan schaub
For reals.
eddie bravo
I'm sure he doesn't feel that.
joe rogan
No.
Revising statements from 15 years ago, a lot of people had some ideas about what didn't work.
Who the fuck thought spinning kicks worked back then?
eddie bravo
I thought head kicks would never work, and just like most people, most UFC fans, head kicks only worked in movies.
joe rogan
And Ted Williams was right when he saw the state of the guard that was in Gladiator Combat.
eddie bravo
Yeah, everyone sucked at it.
joe rogan
Or King of the Cage.
You weren't seeing, like, the best of the best.
Well, you'd have to be, like, almost at the jiu-jitsu competitions or in the labs.
eddie bravo
Dude, back then, King of the Cage 2000?
brendan schaub
Why are they standing him up?
eddie bravo
It was rare to see a guard pass.
People didn't even want to pass him up.
brendan schaub
That's shit.
joe rogan
Why are they standing him up?
brendan schaub
That's pure shit.
joe rogan
What is that?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Josh Brennan keeps throwing that left kick.
eddie bravo
They want action, Brendan.
Action.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's bullshit.
joe rogan
Josh is pushing him here.
Boom, knees.
Nasty knees.
Nasty knees.
brendan schaub
Dude, you can't come straight in like that against fucking Roy.
eddie bravo
Come on, Josh!
Come on, Josh!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
What the fuck are you doing?
brendan schaub
Josh, you can get in trouble with this right hand.
joe rogan
Oh, nice uppercut.
brendan schaub
I think that fucked Roy up.
joe rogan
Look at Roy's face.
eddie bravo
Roy's got a tremendous chin.
Has he ever been knocked out?
brendan schaub
Mark Hunt, son.
joe rogan
Walked away KO. Josh Barnett is, like, really pouring it on.
He's showing some excellent cardio here.
That might have been his plan.
That might have been his plan, though, in this fight.
To come in so lean, just really pour the pace on him.
brendan schaub
It makes sense if you want to make a run for him.
unidentified
Nice kick!
Great body kick!
eddie bravo
Damn!
That hurt.
Oh, elbow!
Look at Josh!
brendan schaub
Come on!
eddie bravo
Bring it to zero!
Bring it to zero, baby!
joe rogan
Look at that sneaky uppercut Barnett's been throwing, too.
Josh is looking for that arm drag.
brendan schaub
If you're Josh and you want to make a run at the title, you gotta have cardio, man.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Big knee.
Well, you know what, man?
A loss like that Travis Brown fight, this guy's a warrior.
That lights a fire under a motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they said he was fucking pissed.
joe rogan
Of course.
He was pissed when he came on my podcast.
He was talking about it.
brendan schaub
He's mad about it?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that Travis had done the thumb across the neck thing, his thing.
He thought that was super disrespectful, and he said he wasn't up for that fight.
brendan schaub
I've heard all sorts of stories about Barnett's camp, that fight.
We have a mutual training partner, and he said Barnett's camp was pure shit, so he's super upset about that fight.
joe rogan
Oh, man, you know?
When a guy's been fighting for that long, it's probably hard to get up like that for every camp.
brendan schaub
Holy shit!
joe rogan
Roy takes him down again.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
He's winning this round.
unidentified
Has Roy evolved?
brendan schaub
He's evolving into a good jiu-jitsu.
But you never know.
He never tried to use it.
joe rogan
He's trying for that straight arm bar from his back.
brendan schaub
You know what?
eddie bravo
He lost this round.
I mean, Roy got this round.
Is this going to be five rounds?
brendan schaub
This is five rounds.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Which is bad for Roy, I feel like.
joe rogan
Yeah, one of five, man.
Yeah.
unidentified
This is interesting.
eddie bravo
He's going to pass right here.
Watch.
Oh, look at that knee slice.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Henzo Gracie black belt, son!
eddie bravo
It's more like Mark Lehman black belt.
He was with Mark Lehman longer than...
brendan schaub
Well, Henzo gave him his black belt.
eddie bravo
Well, Henzo gave him his black belt.
Yes, you're right, you're right.
brendan schaub
But Mark Lehman, he did train with Mark Lehman forever.
eddie bravo
He just trained with Mark for a long time.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Good ground and pound by Roy.
Good fucking ground and pound from the half guard.
brendan schaub
Barnett off his back!
joe rogan
Interesting that he's able to take Barnett down.
Do you think that being leaner, losing weight makes you a little more vulnerable to takedowns?
Because the guy doesn't have to throw as much weight around?
Does that make any sense?
brendan schaub
It does kind of make sense.
joe rogan
But only a little bit, right?
brendan schaub
A little bit.
joe rogan
Because it's only 20 pounds.
eddie bravo
Well, that's why there's weight divisions in wrestling.
Bigger guys can take little guys down easy, and little guys can take bigger guys down easy.
That's why people are killing themselves.
joe rogan
The question is like how much of Barnett's weight loss is like he's lost some fat clearly, right?
To get down like 10 pounds.
What do you think?
eddie bravo
Did Barnett wrestle in college?
joe rogan
How much lighter is that?
brendan schaub
Probably 15. He was 264. He used to be like 264. He lost 25 pounds.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
25. He was always 265. Let's find out what he weighed in for the Travis Brown fight.
eddie bravo
You know what?
brendan schaub
He was actually more than 265. He was more like...
joe rogan
Yeah, he's about 265. So he lost some fat, right?
eddie bravo
Did he wrestle in college, Josh Barnett?
joe rogan
Josh?
eddie bravo
I don't think he did.
If he did, it was probably a junior college.
So I'm not that shocked that he's being taken down here.
It's not like he was a world-class wrestler.
brendan schaub
Dude, no one takes Josh down, really.
joe rogan
It's pretty rare, but DC did.
eddie bravo
DC ragdolled him.
Yeah, DC did.
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
Come on!
joe rogan
Roy is throwing haymakers.
brendan schaub
Get that money, Roy!
I'll send you 50%, buddy.
joe rogan
Dude, Roy Nelson does not look like he's in bad shape here.
brendan schaub
I know, don't let the gut fool ya!
joe rogan
Dude, these hard shots by Roy!
God damn it.
Look at it, Roy's throwing kicks.
Roy's got some hair.
Dude, Josh is hurt.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
joe rogan
He is hurt.
Jesus Christ, Roy hits hard.
brendan schaub
Josh has some big-ass legs.
joe rogan
That sounded gay.
brendan schaub
Sorry, bro.
Well, hey, I was about to go even gayer because I would say he has some juicy thighs but a flat ass.
That's a bad look, son.
joe rogan
This is interesting.
eddie bravo
I remember hanging out with Roy Nelson years and years ago.
Never, ever imagined he would be...
brendan schaub
A UFC superstar, like, knocking people out.
That's the last thing I ever would imagine.
joe rogan
Dude, we had, like, breakfast with him at the hotel in that little cafe before he ever had an MMA fight.
And we knew him as a jiu-jitsu guy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he was a dude who was really good at jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I fought Roy with four fights.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
eddie bravo
He turned into a brawler.
brendan schaub
Ooh, good check, hook by Josh.
joe rogan
248. 248. So he wasn't that much heavier for that fight.
He was only 9 pounds heavier for his Travis Brown fight.
brendan schaub
He looked like shit, man.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
His body looked like shit.
He split on muscle and lost fat.
joe rogan
But he definitely hasn't lost 25 pounds, according to that weigh-in, at least.
But he looks good, man.
This is about his good fit.
He doesn't look weak, is what I'm saying.
So if Roy's taking him down, I really don't think that that's the factor.
I think it's just Roy's catching him in transitions.
Oh, shit.
Nice straight left.
Oh, fuck, bro.
unidentified
Barnett.
brendan schaub
These boys are trading.
joe rogan
Barnett also looks like he's been turning it on.
He turned it on in the stand-up.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
After initial flurries.
brendan schaub
That was beautiful.
eddie bravo
That was beautiful.
Very good combos.
joe rogan
That was beautiful.
brendan schaub
Dude, he's kind of fucked him up there.
joe rogan
And he's pouring it on him.
Boom.
eddie bravo
And he's switching southpaw.
brendan schaub
Barnett's striking.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
Elbows.
Jesus.
Boom.
Yeah, and he's waiting for Roy to get tired before he pours it on, too.
eddie bravo
Damn!
joe rogan
Fighting Crafty in the beginning part of the round, and then he hits around three minutes in, he starts really turning it off.
brendan schaub
Some veteran shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he also knows Roy, you know, could do- Oh, look at that!
Oh, shit.
Roy could do a lot of damage, but- He's trying to touch the ground.
You can't be at your best with that body.
There's no way.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
Yeah, physically there's just snow, right?
Some girls like that.
Bro, let's say Roy gets down to 220. Is he going to be the same power puncher, or does that right hand go away?
joe rogan
That's a super good question.
brendan schaub
And that's his shit.
joe rogan
No one could know, right?
You don't know until he tries it, and he's never tried it.
I mean, we might see a better Roy than ever.
Jesus Christ, Josh is looking good.
He's relentless here with his stand-up.
eddie bravo
He's bleeding.
brendan schaub
It's Josh's nose on Roy's shoulder.
joe rogan
Roy's in agony, man.
He's taking some big breaths.
Josh keeps hitting that solar plexus too.
brendan schaub
Dude, you know when Josh would have Stitch corner on him, which this hurts him for sure not having Stitch because he used to only fight with Stitch.
Before he went in the lockdown, he'd tell Stitch, let me die in there.
I used to tell Stitch the opposite.
Don't let me die in there.
For reals.
I'd say, Stitch, look at me, bro.
Don't let me fucking die in there, bro.
Josh would say the exact opposite.
I remember thinking, god damn, that's gangster.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
unidentified
It was 265 that fight.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Boom.
So it was incorrect.
eddie bravo
25 pounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're 100% right then.
That's 100% right.
More so, right?
Damn, this is nasty.
brendan schaub
It's going to be interesting if this thing goes all five.
There's no way.
joe rogan
Damn.
I think it was 26 pounds, right, Eddie?
Know what they said?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
It says 239, so he lost 26 pounds?
brendan schaub
That's insane.
Talk about dedication.
unidentified
Oh, man!
joe rogan
That elbow!
eddie bravo
Nasty!
You think Josh is mad that Reebok didn't make it speedo Reebok?
joe rogan
Nah!
Dennis Hallman's pissed.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
Josh used to always fight in those fucking undies.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
There's that knee again.
Oh, man.
brendan schaub
His clinch is nasty, this fight.
I don't see how much Roy...
eddie bravo
Oh, Roy's done.
brendan schaub
Roy's done.
He is tired as fuck.
eddie bravo
Unless he's playing possum.
brendan schaub
That's not a possum.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Leroy with a big kick!
Crazy!
unidentified
What?
eddie bravo
Kung Fu Panda!
joe rogan
Oh, and...
eddie bravo
Damn!
joe rogan
Josh comes back.
eddie bravo
Unless he's playing possum and he throws a head kick.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Fucking saw that coming.
eddie bravo
He throws a head kick.
brendan schaub
And rocked him.
But then Barnett rocked him back.
joe rogan
Is that his first head kick ever?
brendan schaub
I would assume so.
unidentified
Especially in the UFC. That was some straight panda bear shit, man.
eddie bravo
Do you see that tattoo he has on his shoulder?
brendan schaub
He had a shirt apparel line back when he was like a purple belt in jiu-jitsu, 808 or something like that.
eddie bravo
And that was like, he was going to make his money that way with his shirt.
joe rogan
He had dragon skins.
He had dragon skins.
eddie bravo
What's that?
joe rogan
Remember the rash guards?
He had a really good brand of rash guards that was his.
eddie bravo
I think that's it.
I think that's the logo.
joe rogan
I think that's it because I used to love his shit.
He sent them to me once.
He had like the best rash guards.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He just stopped doing them?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
You know, that's a good question.
But he had rash guards with like a really good material that like wicked sweat away from you.
They were really good rash guards.
brendan schaub
Roy's always been a smart guy, man.
He's always been on the outside of that shit.
joe rogan
It was like a tough texture.
It was soft, but it was a tough texture.
And the idea, I think, was that it was really good for grappling because it wouldn't tear as easy as a regular rash guard, which is meant for surfing.
That's cool.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's always been kind of the smart guy doing different shit.
He's always gone against the grain.
Always.
That's been Roy, man.
joe rogan
So what happens now after that second round?
That second round was crazy.
brendan schaub
Now it's 1-1.
It's 1-1.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But there's no way this goes all five.
I think Barnett TKO's him in the third.
joe rogan
Or Roy hits him with one of those fucking head kicks.
brendan schaub
What are we talking about?
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
If Roy landed that head kick and Barnett toes curled.
So sick.
We'd be like, what in the fuck?
brendan schaub
Greatest knockout in heavyweight history.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Round three, man.
Fuck, man.
brendan schaub
Both these guys are so fucking mentally tough.
You're not breaking either one of these guys.
joe rogan
Oh, nice uppercut.
It's almost like Roy has to empty the gas tank early because he's got to try to hurt Josh while he can, too.
brendan schaub
Those takedowns are fresh.
He keeps getting them down like this with a body lock, and then he trips them.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Those knees are nasty.
brendan schaub
Barnett's not even attempting to take him down.
I think that's interesting.
joe rogan
It is.
brendan schaub
With Barnett, how heavy he is on top.
joe rogan
Well, I think once Roy got on top of him, too, in that first round, that was no fun.
brendan schaub
No, he said, you know what, fuck this.
joe rogan
Well, Roy's got a respected game.
His grappling game.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, man.
joe rogan
Although we don't see it very often in his fights.
It's very high level.
Everybody knows it.
He's strong as fuck.
He's no joke.
These are good knees inside of the leg here.
brendan schaub
I'm more impressed with Barnett's stand-up, how far it's come along.
In the clinch, you can tell he's working on Muay Thai.
joe rogan
He does a lot of crazy shit, too.
Like, Josh does savate and stuff like that.
He has, like, a savate trainer.
brendan schaub
He's an interesting dude, man.
joe rogan
Very smart guy, man.
eddie bravo
Are you four against male UFC fighters wearing rash guards?
brendan schaub
Women?
The girls wear rash guards?
Yeah, they let the women...
eddie bravo
What if guys wanted to wear them?
Would you be against that?
brendan schaub
It's kind of silly.
joe rogan
Can girls wear a long sleeve, though?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't think so.
eddie bravo
They wear rash guards.
joe rogan
Right.
But would you be happy with just chest?
I mean, I would think rash guards would mean like a long sleeve.
eddie bravo
Because there's a big problem with greasing.
I don't think it's a big problem.
I don't think it's a big problem.
Any time a fighter is going to fight some guy that's known for jujitsu, if he doesn't grease up, nobody's checking.
He'd be an idiot.
unidentified
They check now.
eddie bravo
How do they check?
brendan schaub
You get patted down.
eddie bravo
And then what happens?
joe rogan
What's the test?
Look at this.
They'll wipe you off.
From the clinch?
eddie bravo
That's a bummer for real.
They don't test.
They wipe you down, bro.
That doesn't mean nothing.
joe rogan
You can't do anything if they give you a mineral oil bath the night before and then they wash you and wipe you down.
The oil's still there.
eddie bravo
No one's ever been busted.
The only way to really do it would be like after a fight, there'd be a guy that's assigned to that.
He takes a swab and does it like that across your back.
brendan schaub
I don't think it's an epidemic.
I don't think it's like a huge issue.
eddie bravo
I think Everyone complains.
People are always complaining that people are increasing.
joe rogan
Well, if you're going to fight a guy who's a nasty submission guy, and you know that you can take a mineral oil bath the night before and take a shower and soap up the day after, and it will still have an effect that won't be measurable, because people are smoother and slicker after they do that, even after they take a shower.
I'm with you, man.
unidentified
I'm with you.
brendan schaub
I don't think it's a huge issue.
eddie bravo
When you put Vaseline on fighters' eyes, that shit gets all over the body because the guys touch the face.
joe rogan
They're grappling.
eddie bravo
It gets on their back.
All of a sudden, the guy's full.
Filled up the Vaseline.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
But we remember when Anderson Silva wiped it off his face and wiped it on his shoulders and his chest.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Clay Guida got in trouble because his brother would slap it on him.
eddie bravo
Remember that?
brendan schaub
When he'd slap him, he'd get in trouble.
He can't slap him anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
All I'm saying is I think they should let fighters wear Reebok rash guards.
You know how much money Reebok would make?
joe rogan
I don't think they'd make any more money than they're making with these shorts.
brendan schaub
We know the fighters aren't going to make money.
eddie bravo
Reebok, rash guards would be huge.
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
They haven't touched that market.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Pat Miletic fought Carlos Newton and Jeremy Horn?
I think it was that fight where he put Vaseline on Pat's neck.
It was one of the fights where he put it on.
It was like a miscommunication.
brendan schaub
It's a bad idea to Stanley.
joe rogan
Maybe Jeremy fucked up.
I don't know who fucked up, but there was somehow...
Maybe Jeremy thought that Pat said put it on my neck.
I don't remember the details.
Oh, shit.
This fight is crazy.
eddie bravo
Roy Nelson's hurt.
joe rogan
He just took a big, deep breath.
Oh, look at that.
He's looking for the single.
brendan schaub
Dude, if he gets him down with another single leg...
joe rogan
Look at this.
Roy Nelson trying to snap that leg straight.
brendan schaub
That's exhausting for Roy, by the way.
joe rogan
Yep.
But is it more exhausting than standing up and dealing with the barrage of strikes that Josh keeps putting on him?
What kind of testing do they do in Japan?
brendan schaub
That's a great point.
eddie bravo
Of what?
joe rogan
UFC testing.
brendan schaub
Who's doing it?
joe rogan
Is the U.S. ADA doing it?
Who's doing it?
brendan schaub
Well, aren't the UFC fighters all tested randomly now?
joe rogan
That's what I think, right?
brendan schaub
But September 30th, you have to fill out this sheet where you've got to give them your location, your whereabouts, so they can come get you anytime.
joe rogan
Right.
I wonder how they're getting tested after this fight.
eddie bravo
Do you think fighters are not doing roids anymore because of this?
You think they're scared and they're like, what are they doing?
What do you think they're doing to get around these new testing schedules?
joe rogan
Some of them for sure are going to stop doing it.
Some of them.
brendan schaub
100%.
Some of them.
It's always an issue, though.
joe rogan
Novitski said that was pretty interesting.
He said they figured out a way to make testosterone from animals that's undetectable.
Like, now they can tell.
They make it from yams.
They make it from some wild yam.
I don't know how the fuck they make it.
brendan schaub
Your boy also was talking about micro-dosing, too, right?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Kick to the body!
Boom!
To the head!
unidentified
Oh, shit!
eddie bravo
Oh, look at those big shots!
joe rogan
Look at Roy with the bolo punches!
eddie bravo
Bro!
joe rogan
Goddamn, what a fight!
eddie bravo
What was that, round three?
joe rogan
That was round three, yeah.
Yeah, so he was talking about microdosing, but he was also talking about a new form of testosterone that they've been able to do, that they make out of animals.
I guess the test before could show that it didn't come from an animal, that it came from some plant.
brendan schaub
Artificial, yeah.
joe rogan
Plant form, the way they create it.
So now, apparently, they're able to do that.
We were also talking about the Tour de France.
What's so funny?
What are you laughing at?
eddie bravo
They had that band, Europe, singing the final countdown.
Like, they're making fun of them.
I can just imagine, like, their manager calling them and saying, we got some good news and some bad news.
unidentified
The good news is we got to a national commercial.
brendan schaub
What?
unidentified
The bad news is they're going to make fun of you.
Yikes.
brendan schaub
They don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
It's like a microwave oven.
eddie bravo
They probably didn't know.
The manager, they don't tell them until they get there.
And then they're in the middle of the commercial shoot and they kind of figured it out.
Oh shit.
brendan schaub
They're goofing on us.
You think they give a fuck though?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Hell, they're not doing shit.
unidentified
Are you kidding?
joe rogan
But it's still their song.
I mean, they're still doing...
It's not like they're...
brendan schaub
National campaign, son.
joe rogan
They're changing it.
Here we go.
Round four.
Championship rounds.
unidentified
What do you think?
joe rogan
This is actually fought at a pretty fucking good pace.
Barnett with a high kick, man.
Full kick to the body, jab to the face.
eddie bravo
Barnett's still got gas.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's pouring it on, too.
unidentified
What do you have?
brendan schaub
Barnett up three to one?
unidentified
Two to one.
brendan schaub
Two to one?
joe rogan
I have him up two to one.
Come on, Barnett.
If I was really absolutely doing testing.
eddie bravo
Back to zero, bitch.
I'm going to hashtag back to zero.
brendan schaub
Back to zero, bitch.
eddie bravo
As soon as this is over.
joe rogan
But when you think about the first round, didn't Barnett do way more damage on the feet than Roy did on the ground?
brendan schaub
Got taken down twice and dominated.
joe rogan
Right, but didn't Barnett do more damage on the feet than Roy did when they were on the ground?
brendan schaub
He did, but doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Does it?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
I don't know, but shouldn't it matter?
Shouldn't it matter?
Like, who got hurt more in that first round?
I would say Roy did.
I would say Josh did more damage standing up.
brendan schaub
Two takedowns, though?
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Oh, look at that!
Look at that!
Beautiful!
Look at that!
In immediate knee to the body.
eddie bravo
Damn, if he didn't decide to go for it right there, he would've been on his back.
That was a fucking lightning quick decision.
You gotta keep going with that whizzer.
joe rogan
Bam!
Josh Barnett is just...
He's in better shape in this fight than I've seen him in a long period of time.
eddie bravo
How do you feel about someone stomping on your feet?
Is it dirty or is it part of the game?
brendan schaub
It's fighting.
eddie bravo
Part of the game?
No, it's not dirty?
joe rogan
Josh Barnett tying his arm out.
Punches to the body, knees to the body.
brendan schaub
Bro, I ate that entire bag of mangoes.
joe rogan
They're so good, right?
brendan schaub
They're delicious.
joe rogan
Some of the best snack food ever.
Whoever figured out how to do that shit, it was genius.
eddie bravo
Mexicans.
joe rogan
I know, I put that online and that's all Mexicans kept saying.
brendan schaub
Be nice and it was healthy, though.
joe rogan
It was Mexicans.
eddie bravo
We invented a lot of shit that we didn't get credit for.
All that NWA shit, that's all Mexican.
Lowriders, Impalas, the fucking outfits.
joe rogan
That's true.
eddie bravo
That's all Mexicans.
unidentified
Oh shit!
joe rogan
It's true.
eddie bravo
And still people make fun of us.
joe rogan
Well, it's just because we're so close to Mexico.
eddie bravo
We invented gangster rap.
joe rogan
Oh shit!
Uppercuts, oh shit!
brendan schaub
How fucking tough is Roy Nelson?
joe rogan
Boom, boom, boom, boom!
Oh my goodness!
Josh Barnett!
eddie bravo
Oh shit!
joe rogan
Look at those elbows!
brendan schaub
Get out of there, Roy!
joe rogan
Nasty elbows!
eddie bravo
Dude, that chin of Roy Nelson!
joe rogan
Oh my god, and Barnett keeps mixing it up.
brendan schaub
If Barnett took him down right now, this thing would be over.
joe rogan
Jesus, but he's battering with these fucking punches.
These elbows and the uppercut.
Oh, shit!
He doesn't know what's coming, whether it's an elbow or an uppercut.
And Barnett just keeps changing it up.
brendan schaub
It's weird how Roy's face is.
joe rogan
Such a professional job.
He's doing such a professional job of mixing up his technique.
You know?
eddie bravo
Does he still have his podcast?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
He doesn't do it anymore?
brendan schaub
Nope.
joe rogan
He's a great guest.
I love having him on as a guest.
brendan schaub
Super interesting guy.
joe rogan
Super smart, man.
eddie bravo
Those fucking elbows.
He's gonna break his elbow.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
And Roy comes back with an elbow of his own.
Josh Barnett is in crazy shape.
brendan schaub
Look at this!
unidentified
Take down!
joe rogan
Fuck!
unidentified
Take down!
joe rogan
Attack the leg!
Josh getting back into the seat.
brendan schaub
Get the hooks in, Roy Roy.
joe rogan
Does Josh roll for a leg?
Does he roll?
brendan schaub
Is that his style, catch wrestling?
joe rogan
Yeah, he'll try to roll for a leg if he got his leg in between them.
But if he gets his leg in between them, he will drop and roll.
brendan schaub
I'm impressed with Roy, man.
joe rogan
Look at this.
He's going for that Kimura.
And he uses it to stand up.
Look at that.
He makes Roy defend it.
eddie bravo
Stands up, goes to the fence, turns around.
brendan schaub
Smart man.
joe rogan
This is a great fight, man.
This is a great fight.
brendan schaub
I'd love to see Barnett versus Arlovsky.
joe rogan
That would be really good, actually.
jamie vernon
Round five is going to end right at three hours.
joe rogan
Okay, well, we'll restart it in between rounds.
We can't leave the people hanging here.
What if something crazy happens and we don't have it on film?
eddie bravo
After this round, you have to start?
joe rogan
Yeah, because we're at three hours, because the fight is going over.
Motherfucker.
No one thought that the fights would go that long.
But how is that possible?
eddie bravo
They give you a three-hour block?
Is that what they do?
joe rogan
I think so.
eddie bravo
You stream or something?
brendan schaub
But all the fights went to decision except for Uriah, though.
joe rogan
Right.
That's probably what it is.
Damn.
This is a great fight.
I like Josh's southpaw style, too, with that fucking left kick he keeps throwing.
Left knee.
eddie bravo
It seems like Josh is getting a little tired.
joe rogan
Of course he is.
How could he not?
Roy is, too, though.
Look at both of them.
eddie bravo
Head position.
Look at that head position.
Come on.
That is just...
joe rogan
Look at the adjustment.
brendan schaub
That's exhausting.
It's exhausting if you're Roy.
joe rogan
He adjusts every time.
He's adjusting.
Stays on you.
eddie bravo
It's hard to pull off a technique, a counter-technique, when you've got someone's head up your jaw.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what, man.
Both these guys have been in there with just the best of the best.
joe rogan
Think about Roy's fights in the UFC. Yeah, but if you think about experience-wise, wouldn't you give Barnett the edge seeing all the fights he had in Pride?
brendan schaub
100% in Pride, 100%.
joe rogan
The only one missing from his resume was Fedor in Pride.
brendan schaub
True, true.
But Nelson's been around for a long time.
If you go UFC experience, it's Roy by far.
joe rogan
Yep.
What happened?
What happened?
Did he hit him low?
brendan schaub
Yeah, hit him the nuts.
Get that rest, Roy.
eddie bravo
Right at the belt.
joe rogan
It's the end of the round.
Wow.
Let's see this.
Oh, Jesus.
No, that's the gut.
unidentified
No, hold up.
brendan schaub
Hold up.
Let's see if he gets...
joe rogan
I think this is earlier in the round.
brendan schaub
This is just the beatdown.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
These are awesome combinations.
There's a vicious uppercut.
brendan schaub
Oh, bro, you know who Roy fought after he got knocked out by Hunt?
Over him.
eddie bravo
Right to a leg lock.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Roy fought over him.
That was a good fight.
That was a good fight.
And over him had to stay the fuck away from him.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
And Roy knocked him down once.
brendan schaub
Overeem's JDS next, correct?
joe rogan
What a fight that's gonna be.
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
It's been for a while, yeah.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you want to see Overeem versus Barnett?
brendan schaub
I would love that.
joe rogan
That would be fucking interesting.
brendan schaub
Super interesting.
joe rogan
That would be very interesting.
brendan schaub
I got Barnett in that fight.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
I just think he's tougher.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
They never fought each other in Pride, huh?
joe rogan
Nope.
That would be a great fucking fight, man.
brendan schaub
I think Barnett-Orlovsky, Barnett-Overeem.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of good fights in the heavyweight division.
Orlovsky-Overeem?
brendan schaub
What?
The fuck?
Heavyweight's an easy-ass job to make fights.
joe rogan
JDS and Overeem is a great fight, though, and there's been a lot of shit-talking over the years.
brendan schaub
They hate each other, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder, I mean, it's a good time because Overeem's got some confidence now.
brendan schaub
Is it a good time?
joe rogan
I think so.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Well, I think so because JDS has had some trouble.
brendan schaub
It's a good time for Overeem.
joe rogan
Spinning back into the body by Barnett!
unidentified
Damn!
brendan schaub
I think it's a good time for Overeem, it's a bad time for JDS. That's what I mean.
joe rogan
And I think that if it was earlier, it would have been a good time for JDS and a bad time for Overeem.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Josh Barnett pouring it on.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%, Joe.
joe rogan
So I think right now, though, is the closest it's been.
I think I would have given Overeem an edge if you would have the Overeem that fought Brock.
brendan schaub
That motherfucker took over the world!
That's the only fight ever in my life.
They would have called me and I'm like, no, I'm good, man.
joe rogan
Nope, not interested.
brendan schaub
No, I'm hurt.
What do you got?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm not feeling it, yo.
brendan schaub
Just not feeling it.
My lead, bro.
joe rogan
That ovary, the 265-pound shredded ovary, regardless of substances that enhance that position, that motherfucker was terrifying.
So that guy, I like him over a lot of people.
Maybe even over Junior Dos Santos.
brendan schaub
Bro, I like him over Junior Dos Santos and Kane at the same time.
unidentified
Fuck!
brendan schaub
That guy was on another level.
joe rogan
I don't know, though.
I don't know if he would be able to do that to Kane in that fight.
I mean, would he be able to keep...
You gotta think, first of all, we're looking at the results, but we're not thinking about the players because Josh...
I mean, Brock Lesnar was coming off a stomach surgery.
unidentified
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
He had 12 inches of his colon removed.
brendan schaub
Oberyn was touching him and just, fuck, it looked like it hurt.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, look, Overeem's terrifying.
There's no doubt about it.
brendan schaub
Not that Overeem is.
This new Overeem is not as terrifying.
joe rogan
Well, it's not the same guy, you know?
I mean, physically.
brendan schaub
No, not even close.
joe rogan
But we don't know how much of that fight was Overeem and how much of it was Brock Lesnar really shouldn't have been fighting.
brendan schaub
I agree.
What MMA legend, UFC legend, did Valentine Overeem beat?
joe rogan
Randy Couture.
brendan schaub
Hold up.
He beat...
Valentine beat...
eddie bravo
You just heard Joe say it.
Don't act like you're just...
He's like, Chad, you just said Randy Couture.
joe rogan
He guillotined Randy Couture, tapped him.
brendan schaub
But I guess he never fought in the UFC. He also beat Ray Cepho.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Which is old school, but he got him in a neck crank.
joe rogan
Right.
But Ray's more of a K-1 legend than he is a UFC legend, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that was the last time I heard him.
joe rogan
And...
eddie bravo
I like how you were thinking about it when he said it.
I got it, I got it.
unidentified
Hold, hold, hold.
joe rogan
Ensign Inoue armbarred Randy.
Remember that fight?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ensign kicked Randy with some crazy hard kicks off of his side.
Like he was lying on his side, almost like a semi butt scoot.
eddie bravo
That's how Hoyce does it.
Sakuraba 2?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Hoyce was throwing off his back some serious kicks to Sakuraba's knee.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Oh, he got him down again.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Roy in the fucking fifth and final round takes him down.
But he's got a Kimura.
He does have a Kimura, but he doesn't have the legs, right?
brendan schaub
And that's Roy Nelson.
eddie bravo
That kimono's not going to be shit.
joe rogan
It's going to be hard, that's for sure.
brendan schaub
Dude, Josh Bynick?
joe rogan
But Ensign was on his side throwing roundhouse kicks to the leg.
Fucking hard kicks, man.
I remember thinking, whoa, I didn't know you could throw kicks like that from your side.
That's the first time I've ever seen a guy do that.
Oh shit, Roy.
Not much time left.
Nasty knee to the body.
brendan schaub
How about Randy Couture said if Beltor would have signed Fedor, he'd want to still fight him.
joe rogan
Did he really say that?
eddie bravo
How old is Randy Couture right now?
joe rogan
I thought he said he doesn't.
brendan schaub
I thought he said he was interested in that fight.
joe rogan
Well, if he's interested, we don't know who Fedor is fighting in Japan.
If Japan really wants to make some money, that's the fight.
eddie bravo
How old is Randy Couture though?
joe rogan
52. 52?
unidentified
52. Hey man, let's not do that, huh?
How about...
eddie bravo
Hey, I'm all for it.
unidentified
Fuck!
eddie bravo
I'm all for it.
unidentified
Let's make 50 the new 40. Bro, what if it's Kimbo Slice?
joe rogan
Let me make sure that Randy Couture is 52. Could you look that up?
eddie bravo
Bob Sapp, Fedor, New Year's Eve.
brendan schaub
What if it's Kimbo, Fedor?
joe rogan
Oh, that would be horrendous.
brendan schaub
He's 52. If horrendous, you mean awesome.
joe rogan
No, man, that would be so wrong.
brendan schaub
Dude.
joe rogan
That would be so fucked up.
A juiced up Fedor versus Kimbo.
A juiced up Kimbo.
A juiced up Kimbo.
unidentified
Ooh, maybe both, right?
eddie bravo
And he's like 50-something, right?
Ken Shamrock looks shredded.
joe rogan
But if Fedor comes back and he's at his old skill level, that's a terrible mismatch.
I mean...
brendan schaub
That's a big if, bro.
joe rogan
Well, if they're letting them fight in Japan, and if Japan doesn't have any...
We're not saying.
I just want to get right out of the way.
Don't accuse me of accusing him of juicing.
But let's just say...
Let's just say we go back to the Vanderlei...
eddie bravo
Oh!
Look at his cut.
joe rogan
Roy Nelson's going to go for it.
eddie bravo
Roy Nelson's going for it.
joe rogan
He is going for it.
eddie bravo
Fuck it.
15 seconds.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Nice combo.
Josh looked up at the clock.
12 seconds to go.
brendan schaub
Oh!
joe rogan
Go, Roy!
That was a hard shot to the forearm!
eddie bravo
He threw a sidekick!
brendan schaub
Damn!
joe rogan
Oh, Royce with a big shot!
brendan schaub
What a fucking fight!
joe rogan
What a fucking fight!
eddie bravo
Damn!
brendan schaub
That's what you expect out of those fucking two.
joe rogan
Did we make it out of three hours?
Where are we three?
Whatever.
Another tracker.
Barnett by decision, right?
unidentified
Probably?
joe rogan
I think so.
Most likely?
You never know though, right?
unidentified
3-2?
brendan schaub
I bet they give it to him 3-2.
joe rogan
Never know.
I mean, we've seen crazier shit.
brendan schaub
Take downs in Japan.
You never know.
joe rogan
Boom!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
What a great fight.
I'll tell you one thing.
Unquestionably, Josh Barnett looked as good as he's ever looked.
Like, his physical shape...
Like, the combinations.
brendan schaub
This is the best Roy's look, too, in a long time.
joe rogan
Roy was way more prepared than his body would let you think.
Right?
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
I mean, he obviously went five hard fucking rounds.
brendan schaub
You can never judge Roy by his look, though.
joe rogan
Hurt him in the fifth round.
You know, he still had power in the fifth and final round.
brendan schaub
And took him down four times.
joe rogan
Took him down in the fifth round.
brendan schaub
Took Josh Barnett four times.
joe rogan
And took him down the fifth.
And hurt him in the fifth, too.
Banged him.
I think he ate some hard fucking kicks to his arms, too, man.
brendan schaub
So a guy like Roy, he's won one in his last five.
What do you do with that?
joe rogan
Never let that guy go.
He's always fun.
He's always fun to watch, man.
brendan schaub
You can't let that guy go.
joe rogan
No!
brendan schaub
I'm saying if you're Roy.
joe rogan
It's hard if you're Roy.
It's hard.
What do you do?
Honestly, what he needs to do is what Josh just showed.
He needs to get in some serious shape.
brendan schaub
Pre-define himself.
Take some time off.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
I mean, look how much better Josh looked with a dietician.
I mean, I guess it's a guy he trains with.
It's a guy who's prescribed his diet for him, who's monitoring his diet for him.
But look how goddamn good he looked.
Five hard rounds against a bomber like Roy Nelson.
brendan schaub
That was a scrap.
Scrap!
Yes.
joe rogan
And Josh looked great in the fifth and final round.
He looked amazing.
I mean, still had real good wings.
brendan schaub
I thought they both looked amazing.
eddie bravo
I think Roy was pouring it on at the end.
joe rogan
Sure as fuck was.
But now let's imagine if Roy had done the same thing that Josh did.
Would Roy have won that fight?
Who knows, man.
If Roy had done the same thing that Josh did as far as monitoring his diet, but could still hit that fucking hard, lost the body fat, had more gas in his tank, was able to pour it on more, was able to counter more off the cage.
brendan schaub
The difference in this really wasn't Roy's striking, was it?
It was his takedowns, his grappling.
joe rogan
That was a lot.
brendan schaub
So let's say he loses weight, so he's taking pitches down.
joe rogan
And not losing the position because of scrambles.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Like, you know, not conserving his gas tank.
eddie bravo
If he got in tremendous shape, let's say he got down to 185. Can you imagine how good his jiu-jitsu would look?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Incredible.
I mean, who knows 185?
We're kind of talking crazy.
brendan schaub
185 is fucking nuts.
You're talking about a different game.
He's a big guy jiu-jitsu.
Top heavy, you know what I'm saying?
That's his game.
eddie bravo
You don't know how light it could be.
joe rogan
But what could it be?
brendan schaub
185 ain't happening, gentlemen.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
No, bro.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
You might be wrong, though.
You might be wrong.
Because look, what if he loses 50 pounds?
If he loses 50 pounds, he's 210. If he loses 210, he's Chris Weidman.
eddie bravo
But just stop and think about that.
brendan schaub
No, I'm with you.
It sounds fun.
Hey, Eddie, you want to bet 10 Gs?
Roy never gets in 185?
eddie bravo
10 Gs.
joe rogan
Josh Barnett.
War Master.
Congratulations, sir.
eddie bravo
He's not even breathing heavy.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, he's recovered.
unidentified
No, he's tired for sure.
joe rogan
It's a hell of a fucking fight.
Hell of a fight.
Jesus Christ.
Hell of a fight.
God damn, Josh Barnett.
Let me see if he says some crazy pro wrestling shit.
Crank that shit up.
Because sometimes he says crazy pro wrestling shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're usually good.
joe rogan
He picked me up once.
I felt like a pillow.
After the fight, he was still jazzed up.
After the Frank Muir fight, he hoisted me up in the air.
Like a throw rug.
brendan schaub
Just like a fucking...
Like a scarf.
joe rogan
Like a welcome mat.
Like a scarf.
That's what I felt like.
eddie bravo
Josh should have some satanic tattoos.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gonna talk in Japanese.
He talks Japanese.
unidentified
That's where the money comes from right there.
joe rogan
They love him over there, man.
He speaks Japanese, man.
brendan schaub
What a stud.
joe rogan
Wow.
He's getting big laughs.
brendan schaub
Isn't it?
joe rogan
He's such an unusual dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a weird bird.
joe rogan
I respect the fuck out of that guy, though.
brendan schaub
Oh, me too.
I mean, I'm not gonna hang out with him, but for sure.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You wouldn't hang out with him?
brendan schaub
I probably would.
We're just so different, man.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
You would love him.
You would love him.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's awesome.
I'm a big fan of Josh Barnett as a person.
I like hanging out with him.
I love having him on the podcast.
brendan schaub
He's great on your podcast.
joe rogan
Smart motherfucker, dude.
As smart and as well-read and as nuanced in his thinking as anybody I know.
And he's a professional fighter at the highest level.
Nothing I did in here was good enough tonight.
brendan schaub
He's a fucking monster.
joe rogan
He's on a fucking bender right now.
That's not the right word.
Bender.
It's a horrible word.
unidentified
Drinking.
joe rogan
Or drugs.
He's on a run, is what I meant to say.
unidentified
Yeah, he's on a straight track.
joe rogan
He's doing well, is what I meant to say.
brendan schaub
He's on a real bender.
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
Open mouth, insert foot.
It would be one thing if I didn't do this for a living.
eddie bravo
Look how she's looking at Josh Barnett.
brendan schaub
Oh my god, are you looking at her eyes?
She wants that baby face dick.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi.
brendan schaub
He's like Godzilla over there, bro.
unidentified
You know, Rampage destroys in Japan.
brendan schaub
He still destroys Asians in America.
joe rogan
How dare you bring that up?
He's not here to defend himself.
brendan schaub
It's all he likes.
joe rogan
Hey, you know they're talking about having Rampage fight Rumble?
brendan schaub
Why would they do that?
joe rogan
Have you heard?
That's a rumor I've read online.
brendan schaub
I've heard Rampage Shogun.
joe rogan
Oh, I like that funny.
brendan schaub
Oh, wait.
Or is Dan Shogun?
It's Dan Shogun.
joe rogan
Well, Shogun just had shoulder surgery.
He's been in a sling.
Like, his arm's been in a sling.
brendan schaub
But he's back training.
joe rogan
Is he?
He was in a sling, like, really recently.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, really recently.
There was photos of him, I think on Instagram or something like that, of him in a sling.
I heard Rampage Shogun.
brendan schaub
That's what I heard.
joe rogan
That would be a crazy fight.
brendan schaub
That's the next fight.
joe rogan
That's a crazy fight.
But if Shogun did have shoulder surgery, I don't know what surgery he had or why.
Rumble Rampage.
You know what?
I might be making this up.
Because I'm assuming it was a shoulder thing because he had his arm in a sling.
It could have been something as simple as bone spurs pulled out of his elbow, which is a quick turnaround.
A lot of guys do...
What does it say?
Surgery...
What does it say?
Early 2016 return.
Yeah, so it's probably shoulder.
What does it say?
Does it say what kind of surgery?
Young Jamie?
brendan schaub
Shoulder.
joe rogan
Right shoulder.
Yeah, it was shoulder surgery.
See?
brendan schaub
You don't hear shit.
joe rogan
No, I just guessed.
brendan schaub
I did hear Shogun Rampage.
unidentified
Well...
brendan schaub
From a reliable source.
joe rogan
Well, now if Shogun is not going to be able to fight until 2016, I wonder what they'll do.
unidentified
Because...
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
brendan schaub
Black on black crime, son!
joe rogan
But most of the fights up until December are already accounted for anyway.
brendan schaub
Especially the big blockbusters.
joe rogan
They're already accounted for anyway.
So maybe that is the fight.
But Rumble...
Rumble versus Rampage would be crazy for as long as it lasted.
brendan schaub
That's a crazy fight.
joe rogan
What if Rampage wins?
What if Rampage can take it and KOs him?
brendan schaub
Huh.
I love Rampage.
I don't like that fight for him.
joe rogan
Mmm.
Scary fight.
Rumble's terrifying right now.
brendan schaub
Fucking terrifying.
joe rogan
How good did he look for that Gustafson fight?
brendan schaub
He's like Wolverine style.
Terrifying.
joe rogan
That Gustafson fight scared the fucking shit out of me.
brendan schaub
Well, then he knocked fucking Homeboy to next week.
joe rogan
Dude.
He's a monster.
brendan schaub
Straight monster.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's so good right now.
And you know what?
I think he's coming off of that Daniel Cormier loss.
He's upset with himself and training even harder, even more focused.
brendan schaub
205 is really wide open.
eddie bravo
He's Instagramming a whole shitload of pictures of his dog.
unidentified
He's got cute dogs.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you know he's taking it serious.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
And you know what?
It proves that he's an emotional person and his heart is in the right place.
joe rogan
Because he Instagrams pics of his dogs?
eddie bravo
Yes.
brendan schaub
It's weird, man.
joe rogan
Interesting take on it.
brendan schaub
You know what bothers me when guys post quotes all the time?
eddie bravo
Well, guys or girls.
brendan schaub
Guys or girls post quotes.
eddie bravo
It pisses me off.
I post memes.
brendan schaub
I had to stop following a friend because he kept posting quotes.
joe rogan
Frank who?
brendan schaub
I said a friend.
I'm not going to blast.
eddie bravo
What kind of quotes are you talking about?
Just bullshit.
Like what?
unidentified
Be strong and follow your delight.
brendan schaub
Successful people don't hate on others.
Just bullshit like that.
joe rogan
You know who's got a funny bit about, like, motivational dudes online?
It's Chris D'Elia.
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
It's pretty fucking funny, man.
Because Chris D'Elia doesn't work out at all.
And he's got, like, this really funny bit about guys are telling, like, I think he says, like, hashtag He hates beast mode stuff.
brendan schaub
He hates beast mode stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, hashtag eat a dick.
brendan schaub
You see my shoes?
Someone sent me these beast mode shoes and he wrote on there like, those fucking suck.
Then sent me a text.
It was like, why don't you go fuck yourself with those beast mode shoes?
I put, hey man, relax.
I didn't fucking design them.
joe rogan
It's fun to say hashtag something.
A lot of comedians say that, like, hashtag suck it, hashtag...
brendan schaub
That's funny.
joe rogan
People say that all the time.
I catch myself doing it, too.
It's like a really funny thing that people are doing these days.
eddie bravo
You know what's crazy?
brendan schaub
Is when I post...
joe rogan
Adding hashtag to things.
eddie bravo
When I post a meme, I can see, like, people...
I can see my followers rise, but when I post anything like anti-vaccine or any kind of...
Dude, I lose hundreds.
I lose hundreds.
It's like 72,000.8 and then it goes.7,.6,.5.
brendan schaub
People get pissed, man.
joe rogan
They just unfollow, unfollow, unfollow.
eddie bravo
They get so mad.
joe rogan
People don't like conspiracy theories.
eddie bravo
I lost so many followers during 9-11.
unidentified
9-11.
eddie bravo
9-11.
brendan schaub
I wanted to tell you to stop.
unidentified
I want to save Eddie's office.
eddie bravo
I lost.
You know what?
I clean him out.
It's a filter.
I need to clean those fuckers out.
Whatever.
You can try to watch a video of Tower 7 go down in free fall speed and you're going to tell me that it burned.
brendan schaub
It was 9-11.
eddie bravo
Hey, I'm cleaning them out.
brendan schaub
I don't want them to follow me.
joe rogan
I got to go to the comedy store.
eddie bravo
I don't want them to follow me.
joe rogan
We got to wrap this bitch up.
We got to wrap this bitch up.
Chemtrails, Tower 7. Oh, shit.
unidentified
UFO, flying rods.
joe rogan
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you, Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
joe rogan
It was an awesome time.
Thank you, Brendan Shaw.
Yes, sir.
I'd be getting lucrative t-shirts now available at higherprimate.com.
brendan schaub
November 12th, Live Fire and the Kid, Tempe, Arizona.
100 tickets left.
That's it.
joe rogan
And there's one that sold out in Ontario on October 1st, and I might be a part of that motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
We'll talk later.
brendan schaub
That's this Thursday, son.
We'll talk later.
That's it.
eddie bravo
I'm in 10th Planet Indianapolis this Saturday, and I just uploaded EBI 4 for free on YouTube.
Eddie Bravo Invitational 4, in its entirety, free on YouTube.
unidentified
Check it out.
joe rogan
Thanks, everybody, for tuning in to these things, and thanks for indulging us in this ridiculousness, and we'll see you soon, next week, with some real podcasts.
unidentified
All right!
joe rogan
This was a real one, though.
unidentified
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
This is a real one.
This was the perfect one.
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