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Sept. 17, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #696 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy
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joe rogan
What a perfect time to have Lewis from Unbox Therapy on when our TriCaster is taking a big fat shit because we updated the software and then Redband decides right before the show he's going to update his phone and it's going to take about 17 fucking hours right in the middle of someone from the DMV supposed to call him.
brian redban
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
And that's never going to happen now.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I think you guys planned it this way.
You heard I was coming down.
It's like let's cause as many technical difficulties as possible and then put him on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's see how much this guy really knows.
unbox therapy
Yeah, exactly.
Unfortunately, the TriCaster's a little outside the realm of my day-to-day, but I wish I could help.
joe rogan
Jamie said, oh, we've got to update the software.
So I go, okay.
And then I thought about it.
I was like, man, I don't update shit.
unbox therapy
That's right.
joe rogan
I will wait several versions before I update my phone.
It always annoys me.
Apple's always asking me to update.
unbox therapy
Yeah, no, that's certainly the move.
Especially if it's like a mission-critical thing, like your phone, your main device when you're waiting for a phone call.
Or your TriCaster, for example.
joe rogan
Yeah, this fucking thing, Jamie.
Jesus Christ, boy.
unidentified
I think the video's off.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
The video's off?
I'll figure it out.
joe rogan
Uh-oh.
unbox therapy
We have no video right now.
joe rogan
I'm recording it on here.
Well, it doesn't matter.
The video's not on Ustream?
It's not even going live?
unidentified
The audio is.
joe rogan
So you fucked it twice.
It's double fucked now.
Terrific.
Terrific, folks.
If you're viewing this right now, enjoy the blackness.
All black lives matter, including the black lives of blank fucking screens.
How dare you, Jamie?
You didn't even test this shit out?
How dare you?
Anyway, for everybody looking at a blank screen right now, like me, I'm looking at the blank screen.
Most of the people, unfortunately for you, are audio only anyway.
unbox therapy
Oh, it's true, yeah.
Listen after the fact.
joe rogan
Unbox therapy though, 100% video.
unbox therapy
Yeah, very important to me.
Couldn't get by with audio on its own.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're supposed to be showing this, Jamie.
brian redban
You could periscope it.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Little side periscope angle.
joe rogan
Okay, but what are we gonna do about the video?
Right, but it's not showing.
So it'll record on here and we'll be able to put it on YouTube and you think?
brian redban
Maybe.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
Okay, allegedly.
By the way, nobody hears you talk.
unidentified
I will draw the whole episode just in case.
joe rogan
We have hired a court reporter.
unidentified
Transcript.
unbox therapy
Old school tech.
joe rogan
So what is it you got here, man?
Oh, yeah.
Virtual reality.
This is fascinating for people who can't see this.
It's virtual reality.
It's like a goggle set up.
On the front of it is a Galaxy S6. Correct.
So a Samsung Galaxy phone is strapped to this headset.
So the screen is your field of view.
unbox therapy
That's right.
Yeah, and there's two lenses there, so I'll just open it up real quick.
So the phone sits in and clips out.
Obviously, you still want to use it as a regular phone.
And those are the lenses that will allow you to focus in on the display at an incredibly close range.
Now, the nerds out there, they talk a lot about the resolution of phones.
And some say, oh, well, there's no need to have a phone with a display beyond 1080p, let's say, because at this range here, you would never notice those pixels.
But the minute you stick them in an environment like this, just an inch away from your eyeball, all of a sudden you can discern those pixels that you couldn't at phone usage range.
joe rogan
What happens with people who wear glasses?
unbox therapy
Glasses can fit in there.
joe rogan
Okay.
unbox therapy
Yeah, you can go with glasses in there.
There's a focus on the top here, so you can actually focus them in depending on what vision correction, whatever you have going on.
I've used it with glasses, contact lenses.
joe rogan
So you can adjust it like a pair of binoculars?
unbox therapy
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
So the cool thing in this particular case compared to some of the other stuff that I've shown off before, like Google Cardboard and the really inexpensive ones, is that since this is designed specifically for this device, you get touch interface, touchpad for controlling taps and stuff.
joe rogan
On the side?
unbox therapy
This here, yeah.
joe rogan
So that's just like the bottom of your laptop.
unbox therapy
Sort of, yeah, like a little clickpad, trackpad kind of situation.
So you have a little bit of interactivity there.
Other than that, I mean, it sort of does what it looks like it does.
Do you think we should try it out or what?
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
unbox therapy
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
It's cool that this stuff is finally coming to light now because this was always when we were kids, we thought this was the future.
And I kind of think it still is.
unidentified
Oh, it is.
joe rogan
It just took a while for the technology to catch up to what we expected from it.
unbox therapy
So I'm going to get it set up here.
joe rogan
Okay.
I got a call from Duncan Trussell once.
He came back from some conference that they had on virtual reality.
And I'll never forget this because I was standing in front of the improv and he's screaming, Dude, this is bigger than the fucking wheel.
This is bigger than the internet.
This is bigger than everything, man.
This is a fucking game changer.
Dude, it's a fucking game changer.
It's virtual reality.
It's what the future is.
He just got back from checking out the newest Oculus Rift, the one you were talking about, the piano demonstration.
unbox therapy
Yeah, so that one is the mic here.
Sorry, I can't see anything anymore.
So this one was built sort of in conjunction with Oculus.
So there is an Oculus store and library app that you boot into when you put the phone into the headset.
So a lot of the demos that are available on Oculus are also available here.
So I'm going to bring up that one with the piano, and then I'll let you check that out.
joe rogan
Oh, you can do it right from that?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's as good as Oculus Rift?
unbox therapy
Well, I wouldn't go that far.
I would say it's more convenient than Oculus Rift and probably arguably more of a game changer in the sense that people don't have to go out and buy this standalone expensive headset and then have a dedicated PC to use it.
joe rogan
Right.
unbox therapy
Everyone has a phone, right?
So you're already halfway there.
joe rogan
Ari Shafir doesn't have a phone anymore.
unbox therapy
Oh, I heard about that.
I heard about that.
joe rogan
How do you feel about that when someone fucking completely bails since you're such a technology junkie?
unbox therapy
You want to know, I have...
joe rogan
For folks who don't know what we're talking about, Ari Shaffir gave up on smartphones.
He just uses a flip phone now.
unbox therapy
I kind of get it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Because I feel like I'm so immersed in tech sometimes that I would love to take a step away for a minute.
joe rogan
Like you just booted that phone up.
You said you hadn't booted it in a while.
unidentified
It was like...
joe rogan
All these texts were coming in.
unbox therapy
Yeah, exactly.
It's...
I mean, it would be a really interesting experiment to see how many times that thing interrupts my day, like a smartphone, because it's probably, I don't know, a thousand times, maybe?
It really trains you like a buzz caller on an animal or something like that.
unidentified
Right.
unbox therapy
So anyway, you want to stick this on and check it out?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
It looks cool.
For people who are just listening at home, it looks like something Stormtroopers would wear.
It's plastic.
unbox therapy
There's straps that you can tighten it.
I don't know if you feel it.
It's a good look on you.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
I think something came off.
unbox therapy
Yeah, it just slips through.
No, right there.
It just slips through?
Yeah, just like a pair of ski goggles, pretty much.
brian redban
Now, you said this also has Bluetooth, so you can hook up headphones wirelessly also.
unbox therapy
Right, so every capability that the phone has is still theoretically active.
How do I focus it?
Are you focusing in?
Yeah, so try and find the spot where the text...
Is there text on screen right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, it says touch the touchpad to resume.
unbox therapy
There you go.
Are you in that space right now?
brian redban
Yeah.
unbox therapy
It's better with sound, but this is still pretty good.
joe rogan
So I'm watching this guy play the piano.
unbox therapy
See if you can find the dog.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is nuts!
unbox therapy
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
For people who don't know what I'm doing here, I'm looking around the room.
At first, I'm just looking at this guy playing piano, and it's kind of cool, although he's a little annoying.
I don't like the way he sings.
unbox therapy
Do you see the smoke?
Do you see the smoke coming off his cigarette in the ashtray?
joe rogan
I don't see the ashtray.
unbox therapy
No, it's beside the piano there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's slightly pixelated.
I wouldn't say it's perfect.
unbox therapy
Yeah, it's not high resolution.
joe rogan
But I heard that the Oculus version is.
What are you looking at, bitch?
He looks at you every now and then.
Dude, this is so fucking strange.
I'm looking around this guy's studio.
He has this recording studio here.
I'm just kidding about him.
Annoying me, by the way.
I'm just trying to be funny.
And then he puts his phone in his ashtray.
He's throwing shit on the ground.
I guess he's acting.
He's acting.
unbox therapy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he knows what he's doing.
He has a 360 camera there.
joe rogan
He's got a fake tree in his room, and as you look around his studio, everywhere you look you can see stuff.
What's really a game changer about this technology is that it's really 360 degrees.
Everywhere you look, there's something to look at.
And that is fucking strange, man.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they do this with movies, you'll be able to watch movies over and over again because you'll be able to look at it from different...
Okay, now I see the smoke.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm a cigarette.
unbox therapy
There you go.
joe rogan
I have a feeling he makes really whiny music.
unbox therapy
Well, you're probably right.
To be honest, I really wasn't listening.
It was more about the visual.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm kind of glad I can't hear him sing.
unbox therapy
But there's another one in there, another demo, which is you sitting inside a movie theater.
And so you see the seats around you.
And as the trailer plays on the Make Believe movie screen, the colors coming off of it are reflecting off the seats.
And it gives you an incredible feeling of the exact vibe of being inside of a theater.
brian redban
I have the original Oculus lift, and that was one of my biggest...
What'd I say?
joe rogan
Lift.
brian redban
Lift.
It was really pixelated.
You get the idea how cool it was.
Now, is that comparable to that, or is this more...
joe rogan
No, no, it was many levels better than that.
brian redban
Better than that one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here, put it on.
It's many levels better than the pixelated one that Duncan had.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Duncan had the Series 1, which was like a...
brian redban
Oh, wow.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I think they were like VGA screens or something.
unidentified
It was really crappy.
unbox therapy
I might be wrong about that, but yeah.
joe rogan
It was kind of like playing Doom.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the old school Doom.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But you kind of got a sense that this was a game changer.
unbox therapy
Of where we're going to go, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, because even though it was so pixelated, you're like, well, they're going to work that out.
They're going to iron that out.
Here he goes.
unbox therapy
He's going to try and walk around.
This is dangerous right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't walk into the TV, dude.
Just stand still.
brian redban
I like that dog.
unbox therapy
Yeah, the dog looks cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't talk off mic either.
brian redban
I just tried to touch the dog.
unbox therapy
Yeah, and you know, part of the conversation here is about content, too.
It's like, well, how do you go from having a piece of video and turning it into 360-degree video like he's watching right there?
And we're seeing more and more 360 cameras come out now.
There's one from Google called Jump, which is this crazy GoPro contraption you may have seen.
Six or more GoPro Hero 4s, which have an incredible field of view, and then software is what stitches it all together, which is the experience you're seeing in there.
So theoretically, it's not just games and digital things, but in the future, people will shoot video in 360 and enjoy it in 360. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
joe rogan
They can do that with movies, and you can see the same movie over and over again, and you'll decide to go outside.
You'll decide to go on the porch.
There will be scenes where you go on the porch and the wife and her sister are going to be fighting.
Like, I'm fucking leaving him.
unbox therapy
I can't take it anymore.
joe rogan
And the guy's in the bathroom shooting heroin.
You can go peek in the bathroom and see him shooting heroin.
I don't know why I chose that scene.
unbox therapy
Sounds pretty intense.
But yeah, choose your own adventure type scenario.
brian redban
Or like mysteries, where you're opening up cupboards to look for little pieces of light.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're watching it at home, especially if you can actually move around, like on a unidirectional, if you get one of the unidirectional treadmills that operate based on your movement, they're getting better and better with those.
They used to be you got strapped in, and you kind of hold onto the thing.
But they're getting better.
And now I think they're developing ones that are detecting which way you're standing and walking.
So they will move accordingly with you.
And then eventually they'll get to a point where it's going to be indistinguishable between walking outside and walking on this unidirectional treadmill.
As long as everything's flat.
Once you start going uphill and then rugged terrain, that's not going to work out.
unbox therapy
Tough kind of adjustment.
joe rogan
Yeah, like hiking.
You're never really going to be able to get the grounds off a little bit left, a little bit right.
unbox therapy
Part of the thing, though, about it is I think a lot of people who are into this for consumption are lean-back type situations anyways, right?
Right.
It would be like having an exercise show on television.
I mean, how many people actually participate compared to just want to sit there like a vegetable?
joe rogan
Whatever happened to those?
Denise Austin, you remember her?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They used to have all these, like, you'd work out along, like, get up, come on, let's do it, all right.
brian redban
They're all on Xbox now.
joe rogan
Do you remember the Israeli guy on the beach?
He's always really ripped.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The handsome guy, black hair.
He used to have this workout and get everybody pumped up.
You don't remember?
unbox therapy
I don't think so.
I never watched this.
I don't think so.
brian redban
Jane Fonda.
joe rogan
Jane Fonda.
She had videotapes.
Imagine if you got into the videotape business a couple days ago.
You're like, I'm gonna fucking set the world on fire with DVD sales.
brian redban
I watched a DVD last night, and I forgot.
The resolution on those are shit when you're watching on a big screen.
unbox therapy
I've never realized how- Regular DVD. Regular DVD. Yeah, 480. I got an email from a company that was offering to transcode all of my YouTube videos into DVDs.
I was like, yeah, I'm probably good.
unidentified
We're gonna send him off in smoke signals.
unbox therapy
It was like this huge spiel about how the DVD market is not dead yet, and it could service people who don't have connectivity or something.
joe rogan
It looks like it's working, Jamie.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, look.
Hooray.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
You figured it out, you fuck.
brian redban
Gojobs.
joe rogan
Yay!
unbox therapy
We're here.
joe rogan
Yeah, so we're live, allegedly.
Who knows?
Might not even be working.
So this is like maybe one step in this ultimate 3D reality thing.
unbox therapy
Yeah, where consumption for us turns into this three-dimensional thing instead of two-dimensional.
We've dealt with two-dimensional now for, what, 870 years or however long?
joe rogan
That's not that long, man.
unbox therapy
It isn't.
joe rogan
You really stop and think about it.
I mean, it's probably been more than that because, like, what was silent movies?
There was in the 1910s.
unbox therapy
Yeah...
Yeah, maybe tens.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know.
But think about the amount of time...
joe rogan
About Nosferatu, wasn't that like 1904 or some crazy shit?
unbox therapy
That would be amazing if that's true, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm gonna say earliest silent movie.
unbox therapy
I mean, but before that they had still images, right?
So you had photographs, and they went from photographs...
joe rogan
1891!
unidentified
Whoa...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, were we off?
Holy fuck, man.
unidentified
Wow.
unbox therapy
That was Nosferatu.
joe rogan
Or which?
unbox therapy
Oh, that's just the first one.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the first one, the first talkie was the jazz singer in 1927. Can you imagine?
In 1927, people sat down like, they're fucking talking!
unbox therapy
No way!
Because they had audio now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they probably had to sync it up.
I can remember that was always the big thing with old movies that were synced up bad.
The sound was shittily synced up.
unbox therapy
The lips didn't match the...
brian redban
Which still happens nowadays.
joe rogan
Jamie, go to YouTube and there's a video.
brian redban
We can't show it.
joe rogan
Can we show it on this?
Oh, it's still fucking up?
Okay.
When is Nosferatu?
I want to say Nosferatu was early 1900s, but it might have been...
Yeah, 22. 22, yeah.
1922. That's a fucking dope movie still to this day.
That vampire was a good vampire.
unbox therapy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
For back then, it was like they did it.
And they couldn't show much back then because obviously it was black and white, but it was also...
If you looked real close, you'd be like, what the fuck?
unbox therapy
The makeup and stuff.
joe rogan
What am I looking at?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he had long, creepy fingers.
unbox therapy
He was some prominent actor of the time.
Really?
I think so.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm no expert.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet he was.
But look how fucking...
They really did a good job.
Here, I'll pull this up here.
That's a creepy fucking sky.
unbox therapy
Oh, very creepy.
Very creepy.
joe rogan
I mean, when you think about 1922, what limited technology they had.
unbox therapy
In some ways, I mean, you really have to appreciate what it used to take.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
unbox therapy
I was on the set of Independence Day 2, which they're filming.
brian redban
Is that a thing?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
I don't know if I was supposed to talk about it.
unidentified
Is this new?
unbox therapy
Yeah, Independence Day 2. Oh, I heard about that.
joe rogan
Who's in that?
Someone famous, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
Hemsworth.
Who?
There's two Hemsworths, right?
Thor.
Who is Thor?
Liam.
There's Liam and there's another.
unidentified
Chris.
unbox therapy
Chris.
joe rogan
His brother?
unbox therapy
They're brothers and they're both...
joe rogan
Both handsome as fuck.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
unidentified
How dare they?
unbox therapy
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Not like that guy.
No.
unbox therapy
No.
See, I would prefer for him to be the leading man in Independence Day.
So he's going to save the world, just like Thor did.
Basically.
joe rogan
Yeah, with his beautiful hair.
unbox therapy
But anyhow, I went there, and we shot for 13 hours for about 20 seconds of what will actually be in the film, and everything is blue screened.
There's nothing around you anywhere.
They spend, say, a year shooting it and then another year in post-production, just painting everything in.
joe rogan
Wow.
unbox therapy
Artificially.
So you have to kind of appreciate that back then, if they wanted something, it had to happen then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
They had to do it right there in the immediate frame.
joe rogan
That's sort of a dying art, you know?
unbox therapy
Oh, like makeup.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Patrick McGee, he's the guy who made that American Werewolf from London out in the lobby.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
That guy was like, when I had him on the show, he was talking about like, those days are kind of going.
And it sucks because when you look at like fake monsters in movies, like perfect examples, like those underworld, Hulk's a good example too.
The underworld werewolves.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they look so vague.
Like they're kind of cool.
It's cool what they look like.
unbox therapy
It's video game.
It's like in a different, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's cool, but you don't think you're looking at a real thing.
Like the Twilight werewolf guys.
When they turn to the wolves in Twilight, you're like, get the fuck out of here.
That does not look real.
josh olin
Even if it's bad, as long as you're looking at a real thing, it's not as offensive.
joe rogan
Like the creature from the Black Lagoon.
It's kind of bad, but you're looking at a real thing.
unbox therapy
There's like a lighting thing where you can, with the CG, you can tell it's almost like the shadows and reflections are kind of off a little bit.
And even if you're dealing with poor costume or, well, I mean, that thing out there is perfect.
That's better than any CG you're going to possibly get.
joe rogan
Well, they're getting better at it, though.
They're getting better at it.
unbox therapy
Certainly.
joe rogan
Like, the wolves in Game of Thrones are, like, the closest to a real animal.
unbox therapy
They still kind of fucked me.
joe rogan
Yeah, they still suck.
unbox therapy
Why couldn't they get a real wolf for them?
joe rogan
They don't listen.
unidentified
Real wolves do not listen.
joe rogan
I have a friend who has wolves, and they're cool animals, but you are not telling them what to do.
That is not happening.
Maybe they'll sit for a second if you give them meat, but they're on their own little trip.
unbox therapy
There's no evidence ever of somebody having trained one.
joe rogan
Well, you train them, but you don't train them like a dog.
No.
When I went over to his house, I was like, whoa, these are not dogs.
They're looking at you.
They're checking you out.
And when you howl, they howl with you.
I would go into his living room and go, howl!
And they would go, whoo!
They just can't help it.
They can't help it.
They just have to fucking howl.
brian redban
Shih Tzus do that also.
joe rogan
Shih Tzus do?
brian redban
Yeah, because they're like wolf.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
They're from the wolf family or something.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unbox therapy
What the hell are you talking about?
joe rogan
Well, all dogs.
unbox therapy
Every dog is from the wolf family.
brian redban
But a lot of the dogs are more closer to the wolf, I guess.
unidentified
If that's true, a shitsuit is not the one.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, a husky doesn't do that.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Huskies look like a fucking wolf.
Yeah, but they're weird, man.
That's a weird animal.
You can't, they, like, this guy that had them.
I saw a guy walking, too, the other day, some old dude, and he had, uh, they had those face things on them to protect, keep their jaws shut.
What do they call those things?
unidentified
Musks?
Oh.
unbox therapy
Muzzles.
brian redban
Muzzles.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were muzzled to keep their, uh, their face from biting people.
brian redban
What's funny is they have this new thing.
If we had the internet, I would show you.
They have these new muzzles that look like rabid, angry werewolf faces.
So, like, when they put the muzzle on, they look...
On the dog, the dog looks like it's about to attack.
On the dog?
unbox therapy
See, that's not a good move.
joe rogan
That's terrible.
unbox therapy
That's not a good move at all, because then you have the dog in the park, and people...
brian redban
Yeah.
unbox therapy
There's a threat there.
joe rogan
There's an asshole.
brian redban
Yeah.
But if you see it, if you Google, it's funny.
joe rogan
My dog's hardcore.
brian redban
That's really funny if you see.
joe rogan
That would be funny if it was a smiley face.
unidentified
Hi!
joe rogan
I'm smiley.
Yeah, but this dude who had the wolves, I always felt it was like super irresponsible to have them.
His wolves got out and they killed a bunch of the neighbor's sheep.
He lived in Texas.
He had this spread in Texas.
His family had a ranch and he'd go out to the ranch and bring his dog sometimes.
Dogs, in quotes.
They're seven-eighths wolf, one-eighth dog.
Because you can't own a hundred percent wolf, I guess.
But you can own, like, really, really high-level hybrids.
unbox therapy
Which is bizarre, because you've got those people with, like, cheetahs on their couch.
joe rogan
I'm sure you could own them if you went to those places.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
Like, there's some states, like Texas has some crazy laws.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Texas has, you could fucking see.
There's everything in Texas.
They have all these African animals and these high-fence hunting operations you can go and hunt.
Just like you're in Africa, you can hunt, like, oryx and...
Elins and all these giant fucking African savanna animals.
unbox therapy
Land of the free.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
They have a bunch of different muscles, I guess.
unbox therapy
It's a little tiny dog.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of cute if it's a pug.
brian redban
And then there's, like, here's the one I was talking about.
Like, they have, like, crazy looking ones where some are more realistic.
unbox therapy
How do you find out about something like this?
joe rogan
Because he has a little dog.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
brian redban
I was thinking of getting one from a dog.
unbox therapy
And does your dog bite?
brian redban
No.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
If it did, you wouldn't even know.
You'd be like, what's going on down there?
Oh, I'm getting bit by a dog.
What the fuck?
Anyway, I don't know how the fuck we got on the subject of wolves.
I think it was CGI. There is that, what do they call it?
The something valley.
unbox therapy
Uncanny valley.
joe rogan
Uncanny valley.
With people, like when they show people, Nvidia had a demonstration and we went to it and one of the cool things about the demo was you could see what they can't get yet.
They can get eyeballs, they can get skin, they're really good at it, but they can't do eyelashes.
unbox therapy
Hair.
joe rogan
And they can't do...
Yeah, hair is bad.
The guy in the thing was bald.
And they can't do tongues.
Like, tongues look fake, too.
So while the guy was talking, there was no tongue.
Like, you didn't see his tongue.
It's fucking weird.
It's like a few things.
unbox therapy
It's like a computational thing.
When you're dealing with something so refined, like strands of hair, for example, and each one behaving independently, like long hair...
Thrashing around is like incredibly complex how each piece moves.
So you would need some incredible hardware to be able to replicate that.
But that said, it's never stopped the progression in the past.
I mean, I got this retro console the other day that plays Nintendo games.
So I could be like a hipster and play the original Mario and whatnot and It's just amazing that in my lifetime, you know, we've already gone from a little guy who's like eight pixels Total as your character in the game to what we're working with now.
Yeah, there are some clips on YouTube of people who have taken Grand Theft Auto clips and applied Intense shaders and things to them.
Have you seen?
brian redban
Yeah, it's pretty amazing what they're doing.
joe rogan
Someone did that they They used...
God damn it, I just glanced at the article real quickly.
But they used the final scene in a show and imported it into a video game.
unbox therapy
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God damn it.
unbox therapy
I haven't seen that.
brian redban
It's probably Grand Theft Auto because the Grand Theft Auto Maker or whatever that they released is pretty intense.
You can...
Build like your own levels and things.
Movies and stuff.
unbox therapy
So maybe that's what it is.
joe rogan
Maybe.
unbox therapy
Mods and whatnot.
brian redban
But you're talking about how that...
unbox therapy
The modded one.
brian redban
Yeah, where they've taken like picks or textures and just took it to the next level.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
So you're looking at...
unbox therapy
And it's a very slow frame rate.
brian redban
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Because again, coming back to resource intensive tasks, but you can get a sense for what that will be like.
And so like bringing it full circle back to this thing here, I think that the more accessible this stuff becomes, so the cheaper that VR gets and the less that it's tied down to anything, the smaller that it gets, the greater the likelihood that there'll be enough demand that people will then go and produce cool content for it.
brian redban
Which phone is that?
unbox therapy
That's the S6? The Samsung S6? It's the S6. You can also get this headset for the Note 4 right now.
For some reason, this is the newest one that they make.
There are also generic branded ones that you can slip any phone into.
The only issue that arises from that is how to interact with it.
You have these weird switches or buttons sometimes.
You don't have a nice touchpad like this one.
That's the only thing to consider.
brian redban
Isn't HTC also make one that's pretty...
unbox therapy
The Vive, yeah.
That's a standalone headset.
People are saying great things about that.
I haven't tried it yet.
But every manufacturer is apparently interested in it.
And I've been noticing more and more uploads on YouTube.
It's amazing how YouTube sort of has pushed not just this, but also 4K. I upload my videos in 4K, for example.
You have these giant productions for television shows and you can't get that content in 4K. It's bizarre.
It's like they spent $100 million.
Well, in the case of House of Cards, you could get it in full res.
But anyway, you've been able to do that on YouTube for a while.
Now you're getting 360 video on YouTube.
I don't know if you've checked any of it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
I haven't checked that out, but the 4K is interesting because the new Apple TV that was announced last week supposedly doesn't run 4K, which I thought was interesting.
Is it just that they're not pushing the 4K to the masses yet?
Yeah.
unbox therapy
I honestly think it's a bandwidth issue, a connection issue.
Everybody is sort of held up by the terrible telco situation that exists here.
I did some research recently on internet connections around the world, and North America is insanely bad.
joe rogan
Oh, for internet connections?
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Terrible.
It's quite surprising comparatively.
joe rogan
South Korea is insane.
unbox therapy
South Korea is insane, but even countries you wouldn't expect, like Romania, Yeah.
Or Latvia.
Like some of these countries, I sort of often converse with my audience members and they send me their speed tests and then tell me what they're paying for it.
And I'm sure there's plenty of people listening here that are going to start tweeting out their speeds.
Let us know how fast your internet is and what you pay for it.
But in Korea, for example, I think like $10 gets you 100 by 100. Wow.
Up and down.
brian redban
And why is it up so restricted in the United States?
I have three, and that's the fastest you can get.
unidentified
Three up?
brian redban
Three up, I think, is the fastest that I can get on AT&T U-verse.
unbox therapy
It's something to do, and I'm not an expert on this, but it's something to do with the cable and DSL structure that there's some sort of signal loss, I think, associated with that, where, for some reason, the upload is more labor-intensive.
But when you're talking about...
Fiber is always one by one, right?
If it's not, then usually it's not real fiber.
And in places with smaller geographic areas, it's easier to run fiber from the CO point right to the actual customers because the density of people makes it worthwhile to do so.
And North America, for the most part, is still pretty spread out.
But...
Google Fiber is emerging in more and more cities, and it's completely going over the top on the incumbent providers, Comcast, AT&T, whoever.
And the scary thing was they were trying to merge recently.
Who was it?
brian redban
They did merge, AT&T and DirecTV.
unbox therapy
Oh, did they?
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Maybe there's another one.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't think that's what...
Yeah, it was Time Warner and something else, right?
unbox therapy
I think it was Time Warner and Comcast.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Yeah, we're attempting to merge and then the FCC or whatever party it was got involved.
joe rogan
Well, when you find out they're throttling data and fucking with people that use Netflix and then they made a deal, they had to make a deal with Netflix so that they could get more data because, you know, Netflix was, they were consistently slower when people were using Netflix than anything else.
They fuck with people.
unbox therapy
Oh, they hate Netflix.
They hate the internet.
You know, traditional media is always taking shots wherever they can to sort of slow down this thing that's happening online because they don't control enough of it.
joe rogan
But isn't it also because the infrastructure is just not really that good yet?
I mean, they didn't really prepare for the jumps in the internet usage over the last decade or so.
unbox therapy
That's true, but there are things they could have done to sort of limit the effect of that, like wireless, for example.
If you're on LTE, all of a sudden you've got 20 megabits up.
How is it that the wireless connections, for a lot of people, their cell phone Data connection is faster than what they have at home, right?
But it costs you a lot of money because it's not unlimited.
So you could imagine that if you had put up more towers or taken down the cost of wireless data, for example, a lot of countries have had to skip over the...
Wired connections completely.
So if you're in India, for example, they completely skipped laptops and that whole period of time there where everybody was buying a cable connection or a DSL connection.
They're getting cell phones now, and their primary data connection is going to be on that mobile device.
And it's the same in a lot of emerging markets around the world.
So they're investing specifically in wireless as opposed to going backwards and trying to make the wired thing work at all.
joe rogan
So do they have data caps?
unbox therapy
On wireless?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Oh, it's incredibly expensive.
They have data caps and they also limit things like text messages.
This is why instant messaging apps like WhatsApp are so popular elsewhere in the world.
People trying to scoot around the telcos.
It's expensive relative to what people earn there.
joe rogan
So WhatsApp, what does that do?
It lets you use the data on your phone instead of using text message minutes?
unbox therapy
Exactly, yeah.
It lets you avoid whatever the telco is going to impose for the cost of a text message.
A text message is an incredibly small amount of data.
Yet, you could be traveling and your telco could charge you 25 cents for each one.
Well, unless you're on T-Mobile.
brian redban
Right.
unbox therapy
Unless you're on T-Mobile.
And it's really bizarre.
Even me, okay, so I'm from Toronto and I'm on Rogers.
Not a huge fan or anything, but I'm just saying, comparatively speaking, like when I travel down here, the maximum that I can pay over top of my regular bill is $5 a day, maximum.
Data, calls, whatever.
That's where it's capped out at.
So you're basically using your regular plan even though you're on AT&T or T-Mobile or whoever it is out here.
Now that's relatively recent, but T-Mobile came out with something that allows for you to cross the Canadian border and the Mexican border and essentially have your exact same plan on both sides.
I have most other countries, yeah.
brian redban
My friend just got back from Vietnam, I think it was, or something like that, and he said there was no difference.
He's like, my phone worked like it was back home.
I didn't get charged a penny more.
joe rogan
Do you have to do data roaming?
Do you have to turn on your phone?
unbox therapy
Technically, you are roaming, yeah.
joe rogan
But do you have to call them and let them know?
unbox therapy
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
See, that has always been annoying about Verizon.
brian redban
T-Mobile is the way to go.
And I did a speed test last night.
61 down, 23 up from my house.
Where my house, the max is 3. On mobile.
unbox therapy
That's what I'm talking about.
brian redban
So that's faster than my home unit.
joe rogan
The max is 3?
brian redban
3 on my home.
What?
unbox therapy
I get 3 or 4. So is that deep?
brian redban
It's ATT U-verse, I guess, fiber or whatever.
joe rogan
But that's supposed to be really good.
unbox therapy
No, it's not fiber.
What's the wire that's coming in?
What are you plugging in?
Is it a phone line or a cable connection?
brian redban
Cable connection.
unbox therapy
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
brian redban
But I don't know.
I mean, I thought it was fiber.
I could, like, supposedly 50 down and, you know...
unbox therapy
That seems insanely low.
Yeah, there's tons of marketing confusion around the word fiber because it started to become a hot term, so everyone wanted to use it.
joe rogan
They wanted it in their diet.
It's true.
unbox therapy
That was too easy.
Sorry.
But yeah, so everyone started throwing it around even though it's not the real deal.
It's not real fiber.
It's like it'll be fiber for this portion of the trip, and then it'll go to copper somewhere in there, and you have signal loss, and you end up with what you end up with.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Now, what is the difference between what Google's trying to do?
unbox therapy
Google gives zero fucks about any of these players.
They're not trying to even coordinate with them.
They're going into marketplaces, going to the locals, at least this is how Fiber worked in the early stages, and saying, would you be interested personally in an insanely fast internet connection, and here's the price we could give it to you for.
And so people within a community would sign a petition saying, yes, I'm interested in that.
And once they could evaluate the demand, they're building the infrastructure themselves.
joe rogan
Whoa.
They have that kind of cache.
unbox therapy
Oh.
Yes, they do.
joe rogan
There's Skynet.
I mean, think about all the different shit they have now.
unbox therapy
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
So weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Google drives.
joe rogan
I mean, how many people have their info up on the cloud with Google?
unbox therapy
Everything is there.
joe rogan
How come that hasn't been hacked yet?
unbox therapy
It's a great question.
brian redban
It totally has, right?
unbox therapy
Not in any big sort of immediate way.
Listen, if you had to put your trust in somebody on the web right now, there aren't too many parties that have been at it for this long.
And sort of had a history of success the way that Google has.
Even Apple sort of scrambling to have web services way later than Google did.
I mean, Gmail, people don't even think about it.
You don't even think about your email.
You're just like, yeah, what do you mean?
Of course it's on Gmail.
Like, yeah, it's easy.
The vast majority of people use it.
But before Gmail, it was like, it was a confusing setup for email.
joe rogan
Remember when people used to have those little, you know, used to have things down like Outlook?
unbox therapy
Yes.
joe rogan
Get your email from Outlook.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
You've got mail.
unbox therapy
And you'd have to configure it every time.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unbox therapy
The pop settings and whatnot.
joe rogan
Oh, God, I remember that.
Oh, you'd have to put in the right server?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
I forgot about all that.
unbox therapy
Yeah, it was not cool.
So...
I think, and we may have talked about this before, I think their model, the sort of ad subsidy model, has driven these amazing innovations online.
But we were talking earlier when I got here about how ad blocking is like the next big conversation for the web.
joe rogan
Well, it's a big conversation for people that are YouTube subscribers.
unbox therapy
Huge.
joe rogan
Because YouTube, obviously, guys like you, guys like me, and this show, you put ads in the beginning, and you get revenue from those ads.
unbox therapy
That's right.
joe rogan
If you put up ad blocker, those ads don't show up, and then people don't get those clicks, and so they don't get as much revenue.
And so folks, like conscientious people, will tell you, hey, I'm turning off my ad blocker to watch your show.
unbox therapy
That's right.
joe rogan
Just to make sure that you get your proper payoff.
unbox therapy
That's right.
Yeah, so listen up, audience.
Turn it off.
Okay, turn it back on when you're done with us.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a significant amount of money.
And that's what's fascinating now.
I mean, obviously, you guys get a shitload of downloads.
You could probably speak on this even better than we could.
Because for us, 90% of the people that get this show get it in audio form only.
YouTube is...
A fraction.
There's Vimeo, there's Ustream, and there's YouTube, and those all together constitute about 10%.
But your whole thing is on, like when you do an iPhone video, like the big one was when you exposed that the iPhones were ridiculously easy to bend.
Like, that was fucking millions and millions of hits, right?
unbox therapy
Yeah, almost 70 million now.
joe rogan
Jesus fucking Christ, son!
How much does a man make off something like that?
unbox therapy
How dare you?
joe rogan
This roundabout.
brian redban
The new iPhone has a different...
joe rogan
I mean, we talking cars, or...
Is this a car amount, or a nice watch, or...
unbox therapy
Something nice.
joe rogan
Something good.
unbox therapy
Something nice.
joe rogan
A nice dinner at a nice place.
unbox therapy
A bag of treats.
joe rogan
For a little fucking video.
Come on.
Come on with this fucking thing.
brian redban
The new iPhone has a new material, right?
That's not as bendable.
unbox therapy
Have you been watching Unbox Therapy?
Is that how you know that?
brian redban
No, I guessed it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guessed it.
brian redban
I got to play with the new iPhone the other day, and this guy that works for Apple let me play with it.
And I would like to know what you think about it.
I think it's like the first iPhone that I'm not going to buy.
I think half the shit they showed were just software updates that this iPhone 6, normal 6, could do easily.
Like what?
unidentified
Like the silly thing, the touch thing.
joe rogan
I don't want that.
brian redban
You could just push...
You could program your phone.
If you hold down something for two seconds, a second mini will pop up.
Why is this like a big deal?
You know, they made it such like a...
joe rogan
I don't understand.
What is the difference in the new one?
brian redban
The new one is it's touch, meaning like you push the screen kind of like that old Blackberry that you used to have, the Blackberry touch that was a piece of shit.
unbox therapy
Remember that piece of shit?
brian redban
What was that?
unidentified
Torch?
unbox therapy
No.
brian redban
No, the one was their first screen and the whole screen pushed down.
joe rogan
It was like you would click, click, click, click, click, click.
When you make a text message, you would push the...
Thunder?
brian redban
Thunder?
Something like that.
unbox therapy
I don't know.
Shit.
unidentified
Storm.
brian redban
Storm.
That's what it was.
I hated that fucking phone.
joe rogan
The Blackberry storm.
There's a storm brewing.
brian redban
But one of their biggest things was, like, now you don't have...
Like, if you push it down, it recognizes that you're applying pressure on the screen, so it can pop up a second menu based on that.
But you could also just program your phone.
If you hold something down for two seconds, that will pop up a second menu.
We already have that, kind of.
You know, I don't see the big...
joe rogan
So does the phone actually physically give in?
brian redban
It has a little teeny, teeny, teeny thing.
And it also has a little vibrate that's a little bit more powerful.
joe rogan
How often is that going to go off in your pocket?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, move some shit, your keys, touch it, it clicks.
brian redban
The other thing was that they made a big deal about how, like, hey, we wanted to take the tech Technology of the flash that's on the new iPhone and put it in the front.
But then they didn't do that.
They just make the screen flash three times brighter.
And I used it, and it did work very well.
joe rogan
For selfies?
brian redban
For selfies, but it wouldn't get Jamie from way over there.
joe rogan
And it won't work for a video either, like if you want to do a selfie video.
brian redban
No, and it wouldn't work for a video.
So it's kind of like they're kind of side-talking, like, hey, We want to put this flash, but now we found out.
joe rogan
Well, it's whenever they have an S, they don't go too far off the original.
unbox therapy
Some people make the argument, though, that with the S version, you're getting a refinement on the first-gen device, which could theoretically have problems.
Now, not to toot my own horn here.
joe rogan
How dare you?
unbox therapy
But get ready for the toot.
unidentified
What the hell am I talking about?
unbox therapy
I'm getting too comfortable right now.
But the video I made that got a lot of traction, the bend test video, it sort of exposed a weak point in the device, which was...
That's incredible, by the way.
Which was around the volume buttons.
And I managed to get my hands on a leaked component recently for the upcoming iPhone and run some tests on it.
And it turns out that the next generation of the phone is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 to 70 percent stronger because they've added zinc to the aluminum structure with the aluminum alloy, which turns it into something they call a 7000 series aluminum.
And that's the stuff they use in aerospace, NASA, so on and so forth.
And it's essentially just way stronger without adding any kind of weight.
In fact, the shell itself was a little bit lighter.
So I did this test with this crazy contraption.
I took just the back shell, so just the aluminum part, from the regular 6 and then from the upcoming 6S, and the old one bent at 30 pounds of force, and the new one was around 80. And the reason I know about the existence of zinc, and I dropped that information before Apple's keynote...
It's because I went to a place called Elemental Controls, which is like this super crazy scientific joint where they have this gun that shoots x-rays into any alloy and will tell you exactly down to like two decimal points what the elemental makeup is.
joe rogan
That's pretty fucking badass.
Where's that place?
unbox therapy
It was near the airport in Toronto.
Shout out Elemental Controls because these guys were so badass.
I'm like, hey, I got this leaked iPhone component and I might need your help.
They're like, come down right now.
I was like, really?
joe rogan
They probably wanted to know, too.
unbox therapy
They were just as pumped as I was.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
unbox therapy
I mean, you know, a couple of old guys, their business is normally like when someone's doing a big order of aluminum, like you're buying a boatload from China, literally.
They'll sometimes scam you and say that you're getting this alloy when it might look exactly the same as one that's chintzy on the zinc, let's say, for example.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
unbox therapy
So they can just go through sheets of this stuff with this gun and make sure they're buying what they think they're buying.
brian redban
What about the new glass?
They're not using the new Gorilla Glass on their new iPhone.
unbox therapy
It's a double, some kind of double version of their Ion X coating.
I have the glass as well at my studio, so when I get back...
I'm going to be doing a preemptive scratch test to see how much better it is.
joe rogan
Let's put that bitch on the target.
brian redban
I'm interested in that.
I'm interested in that because the iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus are the first two phones that I've had, like every single phone, that I've actually cracked.
And I thought it was interesting that both of them...
joe rogan
But that also coincides with some heavy fucking drinking.
You have to think about that, dude.
You've been on a bender.
You talked about it, like, when the phones have been breaking.
brian redban
But, like, as an example, the iPhone 6 Plus, when I was getting out of my car, it slid out of my pocket, which was only, like, three feet when I'm getting out of my car.
I mean, not even three feet, like, two feet, and it cracked.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
brian redban
I mean, it was barely a fall.
joe rogan
That seems weird.
unbox therapy
Well, there is a bit of a theory on that about sort of the rigidity of the chassis, or lack thereof, that might contribute to the glass having to bear the brunt of the impact.
Even if you hit not directly on it, that there might be enough flex in that aluminum.
joe rogan
Well, speaking about cases, do they have any really good cases that have power, that give you power?
Like, you know, they have those that aren't gigantic?
Have they shrunk those fuckers down yet?
unbox therapy
They're all pretty fucking bad.
Listen, if you're already on a 6 +, that's a big phone to begin with.
You throw a battery case on there and you're carrying a brick around.
Here's the thing.
This is my biggest criticism of what's happening in cell phone tech.
Is that they want to make an impression on you when you come into the store and play with the device.
So they're going to make it as thin as they possibly can.
So you come in there and you're like, oh, that's so sexy, I'll take it.
Until three days later when it doesn't make it through the day because the battery is so small.
The next gen, here's the crazy thing.
The next gen iPhone, and they didn't even cover this in the keynote.
They did not talk about this at all.
The next gen iPhone will have a smaller battery than this one.
What?
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
Hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute.
unbox therapy
The one after the S? No, the 6S will have a smaller battery than the 6. So this is better than the 6S? It will have a slight amount more battery life.
unidentified
How much?
unbox therapy
It's like 80 milliamp hours or something like that.
Basically...
I mean, it's insignificant, but the point being is that they're not responding to part of the consumer demand, which is my demand, which is better battery life.
Would you take a slightly thicker version of that?
joe rogan
Yes.
unbox therapy
For double the battery life?
joe rogan
Yes.
unbox therapy
Yes.
brian redban
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Well, also, this is not that thick.
This is nice.
unbox therapy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I like this.
This six that I have right here, like that is pretty goddamn thin.
If you need it thinner than that...
unbox therapy
No, no, but what I'm saying that you...
joe rogan
Is that what they need?
I mean, why are they making it thinner?
brian redban
No, he's saying make it thicker.
joe rogan
But no, that's not what he's saying.
What he's saying is that this new one is thinner somehow.
The battery is thinner.
unbox therapy
It's smaller.
joe rogan
It's smaller.
unbox therapy
I think part of it has to do with some of the internal components taking up more space.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So this chassis, like what you've got here, will be the exact same on the new one.
unbox therapy
It'll be actually a little bit bigger.
joe rogan
It'll be thicker.
unbox therapy
A little bit, because of these new materials.
joe rogan
Because they want it to be more rigid.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's part of the rigidity is the adding of zinc, and part of it is the fact that they're making it thicker?
unbox therapy
Yeah, they're reinforcing certain areas.
So, like, near the volume...
joe rogan
Why would they do that and take the battery life down?
unbox therapy
Yeah, well, but that's the thing, is that they've never had an S model where they've really reconfigured the layout.
Maybe in the next version, but usually for the S model, it looks exactly the same, right?
They don't come out with a fresh version.
joe rogan
Right.
unbox therapy
Their manufacturing setup is not right for that, so...
joe rogan
It seems so silly, though, because they obviously are making it slightly different because they're making it thicker inside.
unbox therapy
Yeah, their feeling is that it shouldn't look to the average person.
If they pick up one or the other, they'll look and feel the same.
joe rogan
But I mean, if you had just like this size, but just a little thicker and maybe a little more durable so you wouldn't need a case?
unbox therapy
Yeah, well, that's...
brian redban
Check this out.
Here's the Samsung Active.
That is exactly what that is.
unbox therapy
So this phone here that I'm carrying is the S6 Active.
joe rogan
This is the one they have that's waterproof?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
The main, the waterproof part is cool.
joe rogan
This doesn't have a case on it?
unbox therapy
Nope.
unidentified
Ooh.
unbox therapy
Yeah, that's built in.
That's like a man's phone right there.
joe rogan
I feel like a man with this phone.
unbox therapy
Yeah, that's a tool.
That's not a toy.
joe rogan
What do you got there, John?
unidentified
I mean, Brian, that's Note 5. I've seen Note 5, but what?
brian redban
No, I mean, just a comparison of, like, the thickness of it.
unbox therapy
I mean, is this too thick for you, Joe?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unbox therapy
Okay, that has a 3500 mAh battery.
That never dies on me before I go to bed.
joe rogan
So this is the one that's waterproof, the whole deal?
unbox therapy
Shock-resistant, dust-proof.
I take it in the shower.
unidentified
This is the phone.
joe rogan
This is the fucking phone.
unbox therapy
But!
joe rogan
But!
Shit!
unbox therapy
Yes.
joe rogan
What's with the butt?
unbox therapy
There's a butt.
It is an AT&T exclusive.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
unbox therapy
Sir.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
unbox therapy
I know.
brian redban
That's terrible.
But you can do AT&T unlocked and put it on T-Mobile.
There you go.
joe rogan
Is T-Mobile really that much better than AT&T? It's way better.
unbox therapy
Well, around here.
Around here in my experience.
Yeah.
And also in Vegas.
joe rogan
So you could get this unlocked and then you bring it to T-Mobile.
You're getting a phone call, son.
I'm going to tell him to fuck off.
We're on a show.
How do I do that?
Do I slide it?
unbox therapy
Yeah, slide that over.
joe rogan
Well, that's annoying, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
One thing that I thought was weird that they did in the keynote where they said the battery was not as strong as the 6, they said, well, the new operating system is going to give you an hour more battery life.
unbox therapy
Yeah, well, yeah.
brian redban
Is that true?
Well, but I just updated the operating system on my 6 so I can an hour more battery life on this one also.
unbox therapy
Theoretically.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't even know because you just...
It's probably going to suck.
They're going to...
They're gonna fuck you, just like they always do.
brian redban
They always do, right.
joe rogan
Their software updates always fuck you.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I mean, I'm never on the forefront of it.
Not on my main device.
joe rogan
Dude, I like this.
A lot.
unbox therapy
It's a man's phone.
joe rogan
What's it called again?
The S6 Active.
Active?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like it a lot.
I like how you've got two different time zones on there, too.
unbox therapy
See what I'm doing?
joe rogan
You know what time it is at home.
unbox therapy
See what I'm doing?
joe rogan
Dude, this is a good phone.
unbox therapy
It's also got a programmable button on it.
This one right here.
Which you can configure as a shortcut for anything you want.
joe rogan
So you can make it a voice recorder, like if cops were fucking with you.
unbox therapy
Whatever your favorite thing to launch is.
It can launch anything instantly from there.
joe rogan
Or if a girl is trying to get you arrested and explaining how she's about to try to get you arrested.
unbox therapy
Probably a good time.
unidentified
And then calls 911. No, I called 911. Let's get off that.
unbox therapy
I like this topic here.
joe rogan
I like that phone a lot.
I'm really frustrated at the Apple thing.
unbox therapy
One thing though, we're talking a lot of shit about Apple here.
I think that there's one thing that remains to be seen and that's the camera.
The camera on the next model will be an improvement.
I'm 100% positive.
It's a 12 megapixel.
It's going to shoot 4K. And Apple knows the camera has been the battleground of smartphones for the last five, six years.
If you have the best camera, you're going to sell phones.
And the problem for Apple right now is there's no argument that the S6 camera is better than Well, I guess you could make an argument, subjectivity, color representation, blah, blah, blah.
The S6 shoots better photos than the current iPhone.
And that's a big problem for them.
So I fully suspect...
joe rogan
So the Galaxy S6 is what you're talking about.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
So people who are listening, they're getting confused.
unbox therapy
Oh, I know.
How perfect is it that it's the 6S and the S6? Those are the competing products.
joe rogan
The iPhone 6S and the Galaxy S6. So when he says S6, he's talking about this.
unbox therapy
Sorry.
joe rogan
Does the S6 active the same camera?
unbox therapy
Yeah, so this phone...
I'm going to take this out for a second.
This phone is essentially...
joe rogan
We're kicking out hardcore, folks.
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
You know what?
I'm glad that we did, though.
We got right into it.
Yeah.
So this is this phone.
That's the same phone.
Right.
This is the pretty version.
Right.
This is the active version.
joe rogan
I like the active version better.
unbox therapy
But you can see, form factor wise, you're going to add a little bit.
joe rogan
But you don't have to worry about dropping it.
You don't have to have a case on it.
unbox therapy
That's right.
And better battery.
joe rogan
So it wins.
unbox therapy
You have like 25% more battery life.
joe rogan
25% more than the S6 regular?
unbox therapy
This is 3,500 milliamp hours.
I think this is 2,700.
So I probably have my math wrong there.
joe rogan
Why doesn't Apple smarten up and make one of those?
brian redban
I took out my old iPhone 1 the other day, and it was like this cute little pebble, and it had a little weight to it.
But I was thinking, what if they just redid the idea of that and making it a little thicker and having a battery that lasts two days?
Because it actually felt good.
joe rogan
I didn't care about the iPhone 1. Yeah, I always have a case on this anyway, so it's always slightly thicker.
But when I feel this right here, like this size, this is pretty thin.
When I feel that, though...
This is like what this would be with a case on it, but this is better.
It's better to build it in like that.
Everybody drops their fucking phone.
unbox therapy
At some point.
joe rogan
At some point.
Why not make a phone that you can drop?
I mean, we're not talking about laptops.
unbox therapy
Or spill on.
brian redban
Spill's the big one.
unbox therapy
Yeah, spill is huge.
I've soaked that thing.
I submerged it completely in a glass.
That's next.
joe rogan
Brian will.
unbox therapy
That's the next step.
P-test.
P-test.
About to blow up YouTube.
joe rogan
This is pretty dope, dude.
brian redban
I like it.
joe rogan
And you can get to the camera right from there.
And the camera on this is better than the iPhone camera.
unbox therapy
In my opinion.
brian redban
It is.
joe rogan
I just took a selfie and left it on your phone.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
Oh, the selfie camera especially, because it's way wider.
joe rogan
Look at that, huh?
brian redban
It's way wider.
unbox therapy
Yeah, it's way wider.
So you can get like two, three people in there a lot easier.
brian redban
I tried the new selfie camera on the new iPhone, compared it to my...
I took two comparison shots, one of the 6 and one of the 6S. Wow.
And it almost seemed to be exactly the same.
It wasn't a huge deal.
unbox therapy
On the front facing?
brian redban
On the front facing.
unbox therapy
Yeah, front facing won't be a huge change.
It'll be all about the rear camera.
joe rogan
So that might be the phone to get right now.
unbox therapy
Which one?
joe rogan
The S6 Active.
unbox therapy
Here's the problem.
Most people don't buy their phones outright.
They go in, they get a subsidy, they sign a contract.
Right.
So if you want an S6 Active, you're going to have to buy it full pop off AT&T if you're not on AT&T. That's the only way?
joe rogan
Or you know the people from Samsung.
brian redban
They don't have it, I already asked.
What?!
joe rogan
You don't have it?
brian redban
No, because I think it's because it's an AT&T exclusive.
It's kind of like a weird phone.
joe rogan
How the fuck could they not have it if they're the hookup?
They offered us the white glove service.
Do you know about the white glove service?
unbox therapy
I do not.
unidentified
What happens in the white glove service stays in the white glove service.
joe rogan
Yeah, we show up at the comedy store.
They show up with phones.
They give us a bag.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Then we'll get a little hug and we're gone.
unbox therapy
I love it.
Handshake and it's done.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll send you a chip and put a little fucking card in there.
Yeah, I think it's a good time for phones.
I mean, it's fascinating that everyone has to compete at this level because if you look at the evolution of phones over the iPhone 1 to now, we're only talking about, what was that, 2009?
unbox therapy
Yeah, it's nothing.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
So six years ago, we had this little fat thing that lasted about an hour, and that little tiny-ass screen that your thumb could cover the whole screen practically.
Now we have this big, beautiful mini tablet.
It's a phablet, right?
Is this technically a phablet?
Or does it have to be bigger?
unbox therapy
No, no, no.
I mean, you could call it that, although China is now pushing phones that are gigantic.
So it's hard to call it seven inches.
joe rogan
What?
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do they have?
Well, didn't Samsung have a Mega?
unbox therapy
Samsung still does have a Mega in Asia.
They love huge phones in Asia.
joe rogan
You can't get it in America?
unbox therapy
I don't believe so.
Not for many of the major carriers.
joe rogan
Well, that's a crock of shit.
unbox therapy
There's a company that's emerging quickly called Huawei.
That does not feel good to say, but that's the name of the company.
They're number three, I believe, right now as far as scale for smartphone manufacturers.
They have various devices six inches and above, like many, a selection of them.
These things are, well, I mean, you can imagine.
joe rogan
What's the seven inch one called?
unbox therapy
Ugh, I can't remember.
joe rogan
But it's giant.
brian redban
iPad mini.
unbox therapy
That's how big it is.
joe rogan
It is that size, right?
unbox therapy
Well, the bezel, it's...
joe rogan
The iPad mini's 9?
Is it 9?
Or is it 7?
unbox therapy
I think it's 7. Yeah, the full-size iPad is 9.7.
brian redban
The new one, though.
joe rogan
There's a new one that's 12, right?
unbox therapy
You might want that.
brian redban
12.9.
unidentified
Really?
unbox therapy
Well, because you're into illustrations and whatnot, right?
joe rogan
Right.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I mean, with the pen, it's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I like drawing on paper.
unbox therapy
You would never even consider it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would consider it, for sure.
unbox therapy
Yeah, because what I was saying earlier is like the iPad Pro, the upcoming iPad, has the highest resolution display of anything that Apple's ever put out.
Actually, maybe arguably anything commercially available in the tablet space, phone space.
joe rogan
Well, how long before someone makes a VR and slaps that sucker?
Oh, yeah.
unbox therapy
That'd be, yes.
joe rogan
Get a nice field of view.
unbox therapy
That'd be perfect.
brian redban
Why didn't they make this touch-sensitive?
It almost seems like that would make more sense to have the iPad Pro be touch-sensitive instead of using a pen that's touch-sensitive.
More people are going to draw on it.
Like, the Cintiq is pressure-sensitive.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What's a Cintiq?
brian redban
Cintiq is a drawing pad, meaning it can detect the pressure.
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
It almost seems like they're releasing it first on the iPhone 6 just so the iPad Pro 2 would have it.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a hard one for me to figure out.
I've been messing around with the Note with the pen and trying my best to make it a part of my day.
It's a tough transition on a display this size, but you can imagine the pen is still far more precise than your finger could ever be.
Your finger could never select a single pixel on a high-resolution screen.
It's not a point.
So what's weird is like, if there were a little jar of ink here, what would I choose to write with?
My finger, dip it in there, or the pen that's beside it.
Like, why did we choose in the traditional world this, and yet it seems so bizarre to carry that forward into the digital world?
I think part of it has to do with the fact that there's no place for it.
You're using this thing on the go.
There's a lot of arguments there, but when it comes to a tablet, it's almost always at home, always on the couch.
I just feel like Maybe, I don't know, maybe this could shift the paradigm and people will look at these things as actual notepads, finally.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, I used the Note 5 for a while, or the 4, 4, 4, 3, whatever the fuck I used.
One of them.
And I enjoyed the pen.
unbox therapy
You used it.
joe rogan
I liked it for collecting images.
I thought it was really cool because I could directly collect an image from a thing and it would save it for me and store it for me.
The fact that it was so easy to cut things and paste them and save them as notes.
I really like that and I really like that you draw dicks on people's faces.
unbox therapy
That's also perfect.
joe rogan
I was happy with that.
brian redban
I look at my OneNote picture that I have in here, and it's just a dick.
joe rogan
That was the other thing that I really liked.
It actually synced up with Evernote.
So when I would draw my notes out, I would say something, I would write comedy notes out, and then I would sync it with Evernote, and then I would look at it as an actual drawing.
As the actual me writing the physical words.
I still have it saved up on Evernote, and I like it a lot.
unbox therapy
But you don't miss not having it though, the pen.
joe rogan
You're right, I don't.
I don't miss it that much, but it's not as much.
I don't miss it as much as I like this phone better than that phone.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
joe rogan
I used to have them like that, so I would draw them.
unbox therapy
That's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I would save them.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I mean, there is something.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is on the 5. And you could scroll through them so much easier than you could a notebook.
unbox therapy
Yes.
joe rogan
And then just write it down like that.
unbox therapy
There are definitely advantages.
It's just about getting over this hurdle of usability.
It's kind of like smartwatches as well.
I don't know if you've tried any of those, like Apple Watch or anything like that.
joe rogan
I can't get into it.
Can you get into that at all?
brian redban
If I was given one, I would be into it, but I just can't.
It's too much money for me.
unbox therapy
Oh, well, mine's...
joe rogan
That's what it is?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Really?
unbox therapy
Yeah, for a lot of people.
joe rogan
How much are those?
brian redban
For the one I want is about $800, $700, like the middle one.
joe rogan
Is there a stupid one that's like $25,000 that's like made of gold or something?
unbox therapy
It's around $16,000, I believe.
joe rogan
What an asshole you would have to be to buy that.
unbox therapy
The weird thing about that, too, is you're going to sell a super luxury $16,000 watch.
Don't you want other people to know that it's a $16,000?
Because it looks exactly like every other Apple watch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
So what is just a metal that it's made out of?
unbox therapy
It's just made of gold.
joe rogan
But there's a market for that shit.
unbox therapy
Oh yeah, they sold out in China in the first 24 hours.
joe rogan
You know, there was an article recently that I read about Beverly Hills that there's an insane amount, something like, I think they were saying something between 25 and 29% of all real estate in Beverly Hills is being bought up by people from Saudi Arabia and Beverly Hills.
unbox therapy
In Beverly Hills.
joe rogan
Oh, excuse me, Saudi Arabia and China.
unbox therapy
Oh, okay, yeah.
joe rogan
And that, like, literally, that entire area has been purchased by foreign companies or foreign countries.
These people that have ungodly amounts of money because of oil money.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, we went to, I talked about this recently, we went to this steak place in Beverly Hills, and there was a guy, they're importing cars from From Saudi Arabia for the summer.
They call it Saudi summer.
And they come down here because in the summer there it's 150 fucking degrees.
So they come down here and they drive their unregistered cars around Beverly Hills.
These million dollar Bugatti Veyrons.
So they have these Bugatti Veyrons and all these fucking super million dollar cars with Saudi plates.
And I was with my friend who's from Iran and he speaks Persian and Farsi and he can read Arab.
And, um, I guess Farsi is what they speak.
unbox therapy
Whatever.
I think so.
joe rogan
But he can read Arabic.
And he said, it says palace on it.
It said palace on the license plate, and it said two, two, two, two, two, two.
Like it was all twos.
So it was like the prince probably because they couldn't get one, one, one, one, one, one, one, since the king.
unbox therapy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But like this guy has his fucking $1.5 million car that's not even registered in America.
And he's driving around a valet parking it in front of the steak place.
Right.
I'm like, this is a, it's a strange co-opting of this area by like this because it's such, it's such a, like a name place.
It's like there's a high value to that Beverly Hills name.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
So because of that, like they said that some ungodly percentage of all homes over $10 million are being purchased by rich people from Saudi Arabia.
Arabia and China.
They're just scooping them up.
They're not even living in them.
unbox therapy
I think there's a push to sort of evacuate some of the money from those environments because there's an uneasiness about what happens in the future in those economies.
unidentified
So you get yourself diversified.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But a weird kind of diversify.
unbox therapy
You get lucrative.
joe rogan
You get lucrative.
unidentified
People were tweeting that to me today.
joe rogan
People were tweeting to me that this guy tweeted to me that he works at a restaurant and that all the people that work at that restaurant were yelling out, let's get lucrative.
unbox therapy
I want to know where the t-shirt is because...
joe rogan
We need to make it.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I think there's a few people that would pick that up.
unidentified
I'll be getting lucrative.
joe rogan
But yeah, man, the money that it would cost for that little $25,000 watch is nothing for those kind of people, and that would be the instant thing they would want.
They would want that high-end thing.
unbox therapy
It's funny, you talked about the license plates.
I can't remember where I watched this.
I don't know if it was a documentary or just a clip about the bidding that goes on in Dubai for the specific specialized license plates.
Exactly like you said, the lower the number.
So having the car isn't prestigious enough because everybody's got one.
joe rogan
That's so fucking weird.
unbox therapy
They'll have auctions for license plate number one, number two, number three, and it's in the millions of dollars because when you get to the crazy level of status and whatnot, things get bonkers really quick.
As far as what you need to do, how absurd things need to be for you to make a statement anymore.
joe rogan
In that culture, if that's what you're going for is only the most obvious form of rampant materialism.
If that's what you're going for, yeah, that's what you want.
You want to get the number one license plate.
Look at him.
He's got a Bugatti Veyron, but he has a $5 million license plate.
unbox therapy
There you go.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
That's so weird.
unbox therapy
Is it?
If you have that much money, is it though?
That's the thing.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
unbox therapy
You have more money than you could ever spend.
joe rogan
Right, but why would you want that license plate?
Why do you give a fuck?
unbox therapy
That's a good point.
joe rogan
If you have that much money and you're still trying that hard, what kind of an environment are you competing in?
What kind of vampires are you trying to conjure up to bring into your life?
unbox therapy
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Who are you trying to impress?
You already have a fucking giant yacht.
You have a giant fucking house.
You have a $1.7 million car.
Does anybody look at your license plate and go, look at you with a regular fucking license plate.
You can't even afford license plate.
unbox therapy
Yeah, you're not in the club.
You're not allowed in.
I think it's more a thing of like, in order to maintain your competitiveness, you have to keep on approaching these things that shouldn't be attainable.
Anybody working in anything.
I think that you have to put these challenges in front of yourself.
Like, I gotta get the extra million for the right license plate.
That's just a weirdo version of that, isn't it?
joe rogan
It's all weirdo versions because labels are critical.
People want labels.
Someone was making fun of me because I have a Lexus.
Really?
They're like, what are you driving a Lexus for?
Why don't you have a Mercedes or a BMW or something like that?
I'm like, this is a great car!
What's wrong with you?
Nobody's impressed by a Lexus.
That's a Toyota.
You're pulling up in a Japanese car.
unbox therapy
I guess.
joe rogan
So what?
What is wrong with people that that becomes a giant issue?
unbox therapy
I don't know.
Branding?
Branding?
joe rogan
Branding is strange, man.
It is.
Because I was in one of those...
What are they called?
Whatever the fucking high-end Hyundai is now.
unbox therapy
Oh, Genesis?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was in one of those and I was like, this is a fucking great car.
It feels like a Mercedes in here.
But I wouldn't drive it because it's a Hyundai.
I was thinking that.
I was thinking like, would I drive?
I mean, I probably would, but...
It's...
Hyundai is like a very...
It's hard to get excited about that.
Whereas at least Lexus is like higher end than that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
So I'm guilty of the thing I'm mocking, really.
unbox therapy
I think everybody is.
I think we...
I think it's a way...
I've said this before.
I think that a person who has a certain, you know, certain access to a particular way of life, that the shortcut...
to buying the right thing is to buy an expensive one right you walk into a store they've got a bunch of shirts which one should I have right well I can like bypass the whole research structure by just buying the best yeah you know like the average person when they're going to purchase a car they spend I think I heard this that recently It's about 52 days from when they get the idea that they need a new car to the point at which they make the purchase.
joe rogan
Researching it.
unbox therapy
There's various stages throughout.
It's actually getting shorter, though, which is kind of strange.
I think the internet's getting better, to be honest with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, YouTube videos on.
On reviews of cars are awesome now.
They're so critical.
unbox therapy
Yeah, and so I think that's really expediting the process.
But anyway, yeah, I think that generally speaking, those who have an abundance of wealth don't have as much time.
Usually.
That's usually the way it works.
So you kind of try to bypass that whole process by buying the best thing.
And that's where brands come in.
Brands almost help you in a way of you...
Sort of through their prestige and their established symbol that I know if I get that, I'm good.
And I don't need to ask anybody about that.
I don't need to pull my friends or whatever.
It's like a hack.
It's the quickest way towards that.
It's like a fancy liquor or the right cigar.
You know what I mean?
You can find an example of that in almost every product category.
It's the same reason why Samsung is Samsung now.
It took so much time and so much money for that to be an acceptable brand.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't they make weapons too?
unbox therapy
Probably.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure they make weapons, don't they?
unbox therapy
I think in Korea they make everything, but...
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure Samsung makes missiles or some shit.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
Samsung makes weapons.
Let's see.
unbox therapy
You know, you're probably right.
I know they make all kinds of things in Korea that never make it here.
joe rogan
Samsung also makes weapons.
Check out all they do.
Jesus Christ, they make fucking tanks.
Yeah, vehicles the Samsung tech will touch tech win Surveillance Aeronautics This is fascinating.
Optoelectronics.
I don't know what that is.
Automations and weapons technology company.
It's a subsidiary of Samsung Group.
Huh.
Yeah, they make fucking weapons.
They even make jet engines.
They make tanks, ARVs, and even jet engines.
Yeah, I mean, those big technology companies.
Gotta diversify your portfolio.
unbox therapy
Oh yeah.
Get lucrative.
joe rogan
Gotta get lucrative.
That's the best way to get lucrative.
Make weapons.
People are always looking to blow shit up.
There's always someone in some part of the world that's like, if I just had something that could blow these motherfuckers up over there.
unbox therapy
That'd be all good.
joe rogan
That was the real game changer when it came to war, right?
Once they could start blowing shit up and they weren't anywhere near it.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
josh olin
When London started getting bombed during the World War II.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Even World War I when they started launching bombs and using chemical gas and essentially killing people at a long distance.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
Without having to see them.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's why I wanted to bring that up.
Like, the drones, like, now they're having drones.
Did you see that one guy that stitched together all those drones with some sort of software attached to a chair?
unbox therapy
Yes, I saw that.
joe rogan
Like, that guy's kind of bypassing all the aeronautics rules, because there's rules.
Like, if you want to get a helicopter, you have to get a helicopter license.
You have to tell people where you're flying.
unbox therapy
Yeah, we're in a strange point right now where technology is progressing at this insane speed and the legal system takes way longer than that.
There's not enough time to go through all the steps necessary on that side of it to catch up with the technology as it's happening.
Drones, what was that story the other day where there were all those drones up in the air and they couldn't, so the helicopters couldn't get to a scene where someone needed to be airlifted?
I think that was here, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, people were using video drones to take videos of something that was going on.
What was that, an accident or something like that?
unbox therapy
I think it was an accident, and a helicopter needed to get in there to pull the person out.
joe rogan
And they couldn't because of the drones.
unbox therapy
And they couldn't because of the drones.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they're going to have to have drone blockers the way movie theaters should have cell phone blockers.
You know, like people are on their fucking phones in movie theaters all the time.
Yeah.
One of the most annoying things ever.
Well, you're going to have those blockers.
unbox therapy
I don't know how you do it.
I don't know either.
Yeah, I mean, because it's a radio frequency, right?
Yeah.
It's RF from your...
brian redban
There's going to be seek and destroy type drones that you just throw in the air and just go after these drones and somehow knock them out of commission.
unidentified
Yeah, but you can't have, like, aerial warfare over the freeway.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're dropping little kids' heads.
First time a baby gets killed by a falling drone that was taken out by a company.
unbox therapy
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
I was on the beach the other day, just hanging out, and it was a pretty empty beach in Santa Barbara, and I just, like, heard this, like...
And I was like, what is that noise?
I look up, and there's just a drone sitting there right above me, like, I don't know, super high up.
You could almost barely see it.
And then it just flew away, and I looked around.
I didn't see anybody controlling it.
joe rogan
How far can they go now?
Like a mile, right?
unbox therapy
Oh, God.
I mean, I think it probably depends on...
Like military ones?
Or like a personal one?
joe rogan
A personal one.
unbox therapy
Yeah, no, a personal one I think is still relatively line of sight.
I think the minute you can't make it out, it's probably out of range.
joe rogan
It just falls out of the sky?
Or does it come back?
unbox therapy
But that's the craziest part.
The drone people are going to get really upset with us right now, by the way.
joe rogan
Because we don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
unbox therapy
Not just that, but it's a very sensitive subject matter because these enthusiasts are super into it, like a lot of people.
And guys like us come and we talk about only the shitty part of it, like them falling out of the sky and killing people.
And they think that's going to influence government.
Which will then take away their freedom to do that thing just like everything else right right people that love doing something they want to protect that freedom But I like for example, I've done videos on these little like toy drones They're nothing to the you know, you fly them indoors or whatever and If you get any of the terminology wrong or you talk about them being dangerous in any way or anything like that You're gonna have an entire script in your comment section about like that's
You're fucking it up for us.
You're influencing the public opinion.
You should know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
You've got a point, though, right?
You know?
unbox therapy
They do.
They do have a point, but so does the public at large in seeing a flying thing above their head and wondering if the connection between the thing controlling it and it itself is stable enough to keep it up there.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, how about just the privacy intrusion?
If you're some person who's sunbathing, some woman Oh, right.
Maybe you have a fence.
You like to sunbathe naked because you're in a private, you know, you're in a backyard and no one can see in.
And you want to take your top off and get your tits tanned and you can't do that anymore.
unidentified
Who doesn't?
joe rogan
Because someone's...
brian redban
4K video of your tits now on the internet.
joe rogan
And zoom in on it.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then also, the Oculus Rift effect, because when I was on that sci-fi show, we did some things where we took drones and we strapped cameras to these drones, and we flew over the top of these trees in the Pacific Northwest.
It was like the Looking for Bigfoot episode.
We're flying around looking for Bigfoot with a fucking drone.
More of a goof than anything.
But the goggles were fucking crazy.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
unbox therapy
So you were seeing its vision through VR, yeah.
joe rogan
So I'm watching, I'm literally seeing, it feels like I'm flying.
unidentified
I'm flying, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because my field of vision is just like the VR field of vision.
And you're, you know, connected to the camera that's attached to this drone.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's going to get real, real strange.
And again, like you said, the regulations have not caught up to the technology.
unidentified
At all.
joe rogan
The technology is going to move way faster than these dummies that are making the regulations in the first place.
andy stumpf
They don't really know what's going on.
unbox therapy
No.
And how do you...
Again, how do you get a person to be interested in getting into government to write these regulations who's actually familiar with the thing?
Like, why in God's name would they want to do this at that point?
joe rogan
They have to get elected.
unbox therapy
I mean, it's a whole process of getting intelligent people into the spot they should be in.
It's too slow, too convoluted, and the world is changing too quickly.
joe rogan
So the people who make the laws have to rely on experts.
They have to hire people.
unbox therapy
Except, who are those experts?
joe rogan
Who are those experts?
unbox therapy
What are their agendas?
joe rogan
What's their credentials?
Essentially, these young kids that haven't even graduated from high school yet, that know as much or more than anyone these people are going to hire in the first place.
unbox therapy
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like these comments that you're getting, these detailed comments critiquing you.
They might be from like that 14-year-old kid in fucking Dallas that got arrested today because his teacher thought he was making a bomb because he made a homemade clock.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he happened to be making and inventing things while brown.
And that's very dangerous.
Especially with an Arab last name.
unidentified
Especially in Texas.
joe rogan
His name is like Ahmed Mohammed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Almost as bad as Barack Obama.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Barack Hussein Obama.
I mean, it's like fucking...
For people looking for something bad, like, oh, you know his fucking middle name?
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
It's Hussein!
That's a shitty story.
joe rogan
It's a terrible story.
The kid got arrested with a fucking NASA shirt on.
unbox therapy
Dude, that's where my head went at the exact same time.
When I saw the photo, I was like, he's wearing a...
I don't know why that stood out to me and made me especially sad.
The NASA shirt.
joe rogan
The kid's a genius.
unbox therapy
He's a little genius.
joe rogan
He makes his own radios.
unbox therapy
It sort of implied a passion for the thing that he got arrested for.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's pure racism.
It's racism in its purest form.
And, you know, it's just amazing that someone wasn't skilled enough to talk to this kid, socially skilled enough to go, um, what do you got there?
What's going on, man?
And so he could have probably gone, well, I make my own computers, and I make my own this, and what I've done here is I've strung together all these electronics and built a clock, and I've figured out how to do that.
josh olin
I mean, you can easily talk to someone if you're skilled.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, of course.
And someone who's a smooth talker.
unbox therapy
Yes.
joe rogan
And then the kid wouldn't feel bad at all, and he could probably explain how he did it and what he likes to do.
josh olin
And you'd be like, well, you are an amazing student.
joe rogan
And congratulations.
Would you mind showing that to the class?
And then you've got a positive out of this.
Instead of like, oh, look at him.
He's a little brown kid, and he's making a fucking bomb.
He's trying to kill everybody.
He's 14!
How about you go look through the database?
Is there any 14-year-old suicide bombers?
Is there any that we've ever had in Dallas?
unbox therapy
Oh, not here.
I mean, in the Middle East.
joe rogan
Yeah, in the Middle East.
The martyrs.
There was a horrible fucking documentary that I watched where they had this school, and they had all these kids on the wall of the school that were strapped up with these explosion vests, and it said, today's children are tomorrow's holy martyrs.
unbox therapy
Oh, right, right.
Yeah, that's some shocking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is some shocking shit.
But no, I mean, it's probably the best thing that happened to this kid, though.
brian redban
Did you see the president's tweet to him?
joe rogan
No, what did the president say?
brian redban
The president says, Cool clock, Ahmed.
Want to bring that to the White House?
We should inspire more kids like you to do science.
It's what makes America great.
joe rogan
We should find out who the fuck people are that arrested him.
unbox therapy
I don't know if that's healthy.
joe rogan
That's healthy for them.
They need to know what it feels like to have the whole world say, hey, man, you're on a global platform now.
You're not just in Texas.
Like, you've been doing some racist Texas shit.
unbox therapy
But don't you feel like sometimes the wild goose chase breeds like a weird kind of internet violent mentality?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Or at least a mob mentality.
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Like, everyone, let's get...
Like, the threats that the lion killer was getting.
joe rogan
Yes.
unbox therapy
You know, like...
What I'm going to do to your children.
How do we escalate there?
And it's because when you're in this chamber of all this noise, people sort of elevate their level of what they're willing to do to counteract this thing that they disagree with.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's also, there's a lot of people that are super upset with their life.
Their life is not good.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
And they're looking for anything to be mad at and point their anger towards.
And anything that's justified, like obviously the Lion Killer, that's a nice big green light.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, this guy shot a fucking lion.
It took 40 hours for the thing to die, and then they had to go and kill it on some private or some public property that you're not even allowed to hunt there.
He had a collar on.
They cut the collar off.
The guy was a poacher.
He has a history of poaching.
He poached a bear.
He lied about where he shot it.
He shot it for like 40 miles away from where he said he did.
There was all sorts of shit about that guy that was like easy to target on.
So then the fucking hate is free.
Oh, you got a green light.
You just close your eyes and hit the gas.
brian redban
Jared.
joe rogan
Jared from Subway.
That's another one.
But you know what?
I mean, that's not just legit.
I mean, how much hate is there towards that guy?
I didn't see the kind of death threats towards Jared from Subway that I saw towards the Lion Killer guy.
unbox therapy
I've never seen anything like that.
The Lion Killer thing was, to me, evidence of a complete breakdown in social media.
Have you guys ever seen Black Mirror?
joe rogan
The TV show from the UK? Yeah.
I've only seen one episode, the one with the pig.
unbox therapy
The first one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's all I saw.
unbox therapy
Yeah, well, that's the kind of example I'm talking about, is it seems like...
But when the signal-to-noise ratio gets fucked up enough, we sort of lose our faculties.
Like, your whole feed.
How the fuck is my...
I didn't sign up for a day's worth of lion tweets.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
But you also have to deal with the numbers of humans that are able to communicate freely.
That's the signal-to-noise ratio, like you talked about earlier.
The real kicker is...
It used to be, to be able to get on television, you had to be Walter Cronkite.
And here's the news.
You had to be an established person who had a degree in journalism or a history as a journalist.
Now you just have to get on an application that anyone can download in two seconds on your phone, and you just start talking shit.
You know, I'm going to come to your house, I'm going to throw your kids in a wood chipper, like all that shit they were saying to that guy, Corey Knowlton, that shot the Rhino in that Radiolab episode that we were talking about.
I mean, they said some horrible, horrible shit to him, and it's because they felt like they could.
And those are the same people.
They're angry already.
Like, they're already angry.
This is just a nice target for that anger.
And it's not balanced, and it doesn't make sense, and it's not rational, the focus of this anger.
But it doesn't have to be, because you don't get to pick who you're getting that data from.
Like, okay, here's a perfect example.
It was us in this room, and, you know, someone had done something fucked up, like the lion killer guy.
We could have, like, a detailed discussion on how we felt about it, and what are the actual facts about the case, and did you know that 28 different lions wearing collars have been killed?
Like, it's very common that they kill ones with a collar, because once they go outside of the protected area, you're allowed to kill them, and lions cover a gigantic area where they hunt.
So we would have these kind of nuanced discussions because you're in a room with four rational people.
But think about all the fucking idiots that you've met in your life.
Think about the millions of people.
If you have 350 million people in this country, at least one out of 100 is a fucking idiot.
So that means you got three million five hundred thousand fucking idiots to just smashing their sloppy cheese doodle covered fingers on keyboards and fucking spitting on their screen and taking time to jack off in between tweets and they smell like shit.
They're farting and wafting the fart up into their nose.
They're horrible monsters and there's millions of them.
There's millions of them and they will spend their whole day Tweeting, Facebooking, anytime something horrible goes wrong, now they have a green light.
unbox therapy
I think, though, that it almost feels like even the intellectual web contributes by enabling those fuck-ups you're talking about.
joe rogan
In a way, yeah.
unbox therapy
Yeah, by providing the steam necessary, by giving them that fragment to work with, to go with.
joe rogan
Well, just giving them a pathway to communicate with everybody.
unbox therapy
Exactly.
So an example of this would be like a media headline, a juicy headline to get a person to click it, even though, as you mentioned before, it would completely lack the nuance of a proper discussion or debate.
But you pander to the lowest common denominator.
You want as many clicks as possible, and you're not necessarily concerned with the outcome of that.
So it's like if we know that those big, huge news sources that are supposed to, or once upon a time, were nuanced or meant to sort of break down the story for you, to help you understand the story...
No, it's all bites now.
It's all little fast-moving bites, hot takes, and so on, that formulate your opinion.
So, in some ways, yes, those people should be held responsible for the things they say online, but it's not like the intellectual web or the news-producing web is doing the greatest job in advertising the proper content, the nuanced long-form take.
It's much easier to just slam out some knee-jerk type of article and get it out faster, be first, as opposed to maybe you're a day later, but you've had time to gather more information.
joe rogan
The other problem is a lot of those traditional media outlets have proven to be ineffective when it comes to controversial issues, like the Charlie Hebdo issue.
Like when Charlie Hebdo happened and all those guys were killed, all those cartoonists were killed by those Muslim extremists that came in and were mad, they were making these cartoons of Muhammad.
Nobody printed those fucking cartoons.
unbox therapy
Nope.
joe rogan
The LA Times didn't do it, the New York Times didn't do it, Time Magazine They didn't do it.
Everybody backed off on tweeting those or taking photos and putting them online or putting them in their articles.
They didn't want to do it.
So it was up to the internet.
So then it becomes a matter of when something is real and something's out there, like that guy who uploaded the video of him killing the reporters.
He killed the reporters when they were on TV and uploaded the video of him doing it.
unbox therapy
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There comes a real weird line.
unbox therapy
And part of that discussion, too, was the way we were kind of forced to ingest it through autoplay.
This was a big part of the story was how Facebook has recently introduced autoplay, so you're scrolling.
It just plays immediately.
That's another example of what I'm talking about.
I don't know that you could call Facebook the intellectual web, but if you're a guy like Zuckerberg or someone in that office, at some point, you know that what you're doing is you're about to introduce millions and millions of people to something they'd probably rather not watch.
joe rogan
Well, that was a big deal with ISIS, too, because ISIS has had, some of the people in ISIS or ISIL, whatever you want to call it, they have had many, many, many accounts banned.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they'll make these accounts, create these accounts, and start uploading photos of people being beheaded, uploading videos of people being beheaded.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they put these on Instagram or Twitter or wherever the hell they are.
And it's up to these outlets, these platforms, to find these things and to take them down.
But I went to a fucking ISIS Twitter page that somebody had sent me to, and I was like, holy shit!
unbox therapy
Bad idea.
joe rogan
People don't even know about it.
They haven't even taken this down yet.
It was just beheadings.
And then there was YouTube videos that were linked to that they hadn't found those yet either.
The YouTube videos were shooting people on the ground and cutting their heads off and holding their heads.
I mean, the full deal on YouTube.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
Well, here's my thing is I think that battle is kind of impossible to completely control the speed at which people can put stuff up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
But the autoplay thing, like, have the choice to click the button, at least, at a minimum.
brian redban
Yeah, I talked about that a couple weeks ago.
Somebody posted, or I was just, like, looking at puppies and stuff, and then out of nowhere was a woman in a car accident with her face missing, and she was picking at her face.
And it was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen, and I think about it all the time.
I should have never seen that and now I can't stop thinking about it.
joe rogan
And you didn't have the option.
brian redban
And I didn't have the option.
joe rogan
How many times have you clicked on a video and said, fuck, I wish I didn't click on that.
And then you learn.
I've sent you stuff and you sent me stuff.
I'm like, I don't even want to watch that.
You just decide.
My life is more important.
unbox therapy
Now imagine if every time those exchanges took place, it autoplayed.
Came up on your phone immediately.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Why would they do that at Facebook?
unbox therapy
Why would they autoplay that?
There's a great fucking reason is to beef up their viewership figures.
joe rogan
That's stupid.
unbox therapy
Yeah, because then they can go to advertisers and say, look how many views it got.
joe rogan
Oh, that's gross.
unbox therapy
Oh, it's the most gross thing ever.
And people, the reason YouTubers, a lot of YouTubers are especially upset with it is a lot of people are freebooting our content.
Not mine specifically, but a lot of other ones, specifically in the comedy genre.
Because you can take this clip off YouTube, upload it natively to Facebook, have it autoplay, build this huge profile for yourself based off of someone else's content that they've made, and there's no way for you to go and track it down, and Facebook isn't being vigilant.
Vigilant about going and finding that stuff.
In some cases, YouTubers I know have missed out on millions, tens of millions of views that happened elsewhere and were associated with some other account on Facebook.
joe rogan
And there was another account they might not have even known about.
unbox therapy
No, they didn't.
They wouldn't know about it until somebody saw it that was also a fan of theirs that would then tweet it to them or whatever and say, there's this completely fake profile of yours on Facebook uploading all your stuff and pretending to be you.
Well, usually the way it'll work is that they'll build up a large profile.
So you take really funny 15-second videos.
unidentified
Got you.
unbox therapy
There you go.
So you get a shit ton of followers.
And then every so often, after you've got this shit ton of followers, you insert some branded thing that you're attempting to do.
So you're utilizing someone else's profile to build your very own.
You're not necessarily making immediate money from it.
But you're opening up the possibility to do so after the fact.
Like he said with Fat Jew, if you've got 5, 6, 10 million followers on someone else's back, at that point it doesn't matter.
You can shut off the old way of doing business, then start doing your original stuff at that point once you've already got an audience, right?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, what Fat Ju did is he took advantage of this new way of doing comedy.
unbox therapy
Yes.
joe rogan
Where you could just take a photo and put some text to it.
And it's one of my favorite ways of comedy.
That thing that I sent you the other day...
The one of Caitlyn Jenner...
Caitlyn, is that the right one?
unbox therapy
That's the name, yeah.
joe rogan
Caitlyn Jenner in a Porsche.
And it says, 2011 Porsche with a rebuilt tranny.
unbox therapy
Cool.
joe rogan
And I fucking...
I laughed so hard when somebody sent that to me.
unidentified
That is genius.
joe rogan
I sent it to everybody I know.
And I was just howling.
unbox therapy
But you probably have no idea who created it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I felt bad in that way that I don't know.
And that's why I didn't post it on social media.
But I did retweet it, I think.
unbox therapy
See, I mean, it's super cloudy.
joe rogan
It is cloudy, but what was not cloudy about the Fat Juice situation was that he was purposely not attributing it to the people that created it, and even sometimes, like there's some of the other ones, that girl that was changing words Changing, like, someone had originally tweeted something about a cat, and she would change it to a dog, but the exact same joke.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Exact same joke, you know, and change.
And that was the other thing Fat Jew was doing, is changing the text of the image, but writing the same thing.
So it was deliberate.
brian redban
He's still doing it, too.
joe rogan
Is he really?
brian redban
Yeah, there was a nice article written the other day how he's still doing it, and he also has all these fake accounts that he's giving the credit to, but it's like a locked account with one post.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some fuckery afoot.
unbox therapy
Honestly, and even though those things are so enjoyable, I intentionally avoid those pages on Instagram just because of that reason.
brian redban
Really?
unbox therapy
Yeah, I mean, I might get a laugh out of it, but it's not...
joe rogan
Somebody created, like, I'm not buying anything from Fat Jew, you know?
The problem is...
unbox therapy
Yeah, I know, but see, the thing is that your behavior influences what gets rebroadcast, especially on Instagram.
Because if it's, like, previous photos you've liked, and then in other people's Discover page, I'm sure you have a lot of followers, now they're seeing that thing surface.
So it's hard to actually do shit on Instagram without helping the shit that you're looking at.
brian redban
And advertisers don't give a fuck.
They'll give him a shitload of money just because of all the stolen work.
joe rogan
Yeah, but hold on a second.
So if you like something, then, but I don't like anything.
unbox therapy
Sometimes it's liked.
If you go on the Discover page, and it'll be based on stuff you've liked, based on people you follow.
joe rogan
I'm putting a picture of you up there right now.
unbox therapy
Based on people you follow, and I think there's one other one, based on other photos you've liked, something like that.
It's algorithmically trying to make suggestions for photos that you might actually like.
That's why it's the Discover page.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unbox therapy
So, if, yeah, if you don't hit the heart, I don't know if there's a way...
joe rogan
I don't hit that heart.
unbox therapy
You never hit the heart?
brian redban
I don't fuck with the heart.
Not even by mistake?
joe rogan
Nope.
unbox therapy
You've never hit the heart on Instagram?
joe rogan
If I hit it and I see it, I unhit it.
brian redban
Ha ha ha ha!
unidentified
Too late.
unbox therapy
They got the data.
joe rogan
I'll comment on friend stuff, but I don't really like things.
unbox therapy
What's this about?
Should I? Well, I just feel like, you know, you can reciprocate a little something every so often.
If I saw Joe Rogan heart, I might get a smile for a minute, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know.
Okay, I'll start hearting your stuff.
unbox therapy
Yeah, thank you very much.
All right?
Apparently you haven't been noticing my hearts.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing too, right?
If you put something up and it gets hearted, you notice how many likes you have.
But what you don't know is how many views something's got.
unbox therapy
On Instagram.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unbox therapy
On Twitter, the analytics are pretty cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're pretty interesting.
unbox therapy
You can see everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just got one.
Like, the Nick Diaz one that I put.
407,942 views.
unbox therapy
Look at you.
That's awesome.
Everybody's looking for you to make, you know, to say something about that.
joe rogan
The Nick Diaz thing, yeah.
brian redban
You think that'd be turned around?
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
Those people weren't even willing to take into consideration the fact that he passed two tests.
He passed two tests, two WADA tests, World Anti-Doping Association tests, and failed one from some fucking local lab.
And the local lab's numbers were off the chart.
So two out of three tests he passed.
They weren't even willing to take into consideration those other tests because they didn't perform them.
Not only that, they're performing urine tests, which are significantly less accurate than blood tests.
So they fucked him.
They fucked him raw and they fucked him out of $165,000 in five years of his career.
brian redban
Why five years and then Jon Jones only got one year for cocaine?
joe rogan
He didn't get one year for cocaine.
Anderson Silva got one year for steroids.
Jon Jones has not applied for a license to fight and his court case has not been settled.
He's not been found guilty.
So they don't know.
And his cocaine use was what's called out of competition cocaine use.
Like when John Jones got caught for cocaine, he got caught for cocaine when he was not, it wasn't going to be affecting him while he was fighting.
The idea with these tests with marijuana is that if you can catch someone who was taking marijuana while they were competing, then it could be a factor.
unbox therapy
Because it may affect their performance?
joe rogan
Yes, it may affect their performance.
But here's the deal.
There's no scientific evidence whatsoever that marijuana is a significant effector of performance to the point where it should be banned.
Caffeine significantly affects performance, and it's legal.
I believe you can have up to 200 milligrams of caffeine and compete under Olympic rules.
Chael Sonneny actually told me that he takes it in pill form.
Because he doesn't want to fuck up and get an extra strong cup of coffee and break the grid or break the test.
But if you, like, go to Starbucks, like, you know, we've tried to figure it out before, like, how much caffeine is in one of those things that Brian drinks?
Because he drinks those 30-ounce fucking...
The jug.
...star of death.
You know, but you don't really know exactly.
So you have to take, like, a pill in order to really modulate it perfectly if you're an athlete.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because there's a significant effect.
Caffeine can give you more endurance.
It can help you.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
unbox therapy
I'll take caffeine before I play hockey every time.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's legal.
It's totally legal.
So, I mean, the arguable effect that marijuana does give you, it might give you some dilation of your lungs, it might give you a slight advantage in your cardio because of that, or a focus advantage, which is like, For some people, it could help.
Like a guy like Nick Diaz, it might help him be more comfortable because he likes being high all the time anyway.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
So if you let him fight high.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's not enough where it's going to allow them to hurt somebody more.
See, the idea of a performance-enhancing drug is steroids, EPO, all the stuff that those cyclists get banned for.
Those things make you stronger, faster, and in the case of mixed martial arts, it will allow you to hurt your opponent.
It's arguable that marijuana does have some performance enhancing effect, like with jujitsu.
A lot of jujitsu guys, me included, like to get high before they train.
But man, I'm not much better.
I mean, I think it's a slight thing where you're like a little better.
With pool, same thing.
You feel a little more in tune with it.
But it's not significant enough where you wouldn't be able to perform at that level without it.
When we see athletes that get off steroids, man, the fucking drop-off is goddamn dramatic.
The difference between a steroid-using athlete and an athlete that's forced to go off steroids, you see it in their body.
They get soft.
They have loose skin.
You see it in their physical performance.
They get tired quicker.
They're not as aggressive.
They're not as confident.
They start posting shit on their Instagram, praise all this motivational shit like a suicidal stripper.
That's what happens, man.
It starts to fuck with your head because you realize you've got to pump yourself up now because you're not jacked to the tits on some artificial testosterone.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
So that in comparison to pot, there's no fucking comparison.
unbox therapy
Right.
joe rogan
And testosterone was legal until like a year ago.
They were allowing these guys to get on testosterone replacement therapy.
unbox therapy
Is pot legal in other sports?
joe rogan
Well, the NBA is apparently the one sport where so many guys are smoking pot.
unbox therapy
That's what I've heard.
joe rogan
That they don't have it in their contract where they test them.
They don't allow themselves to be tested.
unbox therapy
So how is it that this is even on the table to begin with?
joe rogan
First of all, because there's no union.
If there was a fighters union, and the fighters union could go to the athletic commissions and say, fuck you, we're not coming to Vegas, you dummies.
And then the other problem is, if someone's banned in Vegas, they're banned in the world.
Because if you violate it, then there's all sorts of fucking lawsuits and bullshit.
unbox therapy
That is the part that I can't wrap my head around.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, but you're being banned by idiots, okay?
You're being banned by people who don't understand the sport.
If they did understand the sport, first of all, they would have fired 60% of their judges.
60% of their judges, any judge that hasn't had any martial arts experience, any judge, you should run them through a course.
Is this guy in danger?
Is he in danger now?
Is this dangerous?
Is this submission close?
Is this one close?
How effective is that?
If you don't know that, you can't judge a martial arts fight on a professional level.
But yet they do.
So these are ineffective commissions in the first place.
On top of that, they're bureaucrats.
These are government people.
And firing these people is just like firing someone from the DMV or firing someone from the post office.
It's fucking difficult.
And there's all sorts of hoops and there's protections that those people have in place that the fighters do not have.
So you have an unfair playing field and these people have this ultimate tyranny over fighters.
unbox therapy
It seems pretty obvious that Nevada is fucked.
joe rogan
Fucked.
unbox therapy
Is there any chance that the UFC affiliation with Nevada ever changes?
joe rogan
Well, they can't.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
They're gonna have fights in Nevada.
andy stumpf
Nevada's the spot, man.
joe rogan
If you want to have fights, you go to Vegas.
unbox therapy
I know.
Why does it have...
Why?
joe rogan
Because it's the shit.
It's the best place for fights.
unbox therapy
But how much could they continue to fuck up and you still continue to do it?
joe rogan
They need to be overhauled, not Vegas.
Vegas is fucking awesome.
Look, if you're gonna have fights, you want to have them in Vegas.
unidentified
But I'm saying anytime...
joe rogan
You go to the MGM, the place is packed.
unbox therapy
I've been there.
joe rogan
The fucking casino's there, you're drinking till 6 o'clock in the morning if you want.
unbox therapy
I completely agree, but anytime you're in any kind of negotiation, you have to be willing to walk away.
And if they continue to fuck up, what's the risk to them?
joe rogan
I think the public reaction to this Nick Diaz thing is unprecedented.
I tweeted the phone number for the Nevada State Athletic Commission today and said, please call them up and let them know how you feel about them fucking over Nick Diaz.
unbox therapy
Alright, I'm retweeting.
joe rogan
They can't even fucking take calls now.
They're swamped.
And I'll do it tomorrow, too.
I'll do it until they stop.
I'll do it for the rest of my life.
I'll fucking wake up every morning.
I'll have an alarm clock.
Here's the new number for the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
unbox therapy
Schedule tweets.
joe rogan
Look, they stole five years from this guy's career, and they stole $165,000 from his purse, and they weren't even willing to take into consideration the other two tests that he failed.
It is a goddamn dog-and-pony show.
It's a tyranny.
And what these people are doing is wrong.
It's just wrong.
This is not a person who set out to cheat.
This is a guy who doesn't use steroids.
Nick Diaz is notoriously anti-steroid.
This is a guy who's one of the toughest, most exciting guys in the sport.
He's fun to watch and also probably has social anxiety issues that marijuana helps alleviate.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I read that interview with him about what he said shortly after.
joe rogan
It's awful, man.
You know, what they did is wrong.
It's wrong.
You shouldn't fight high, okay?
If you fight high, there should be a penalty, like 50 bucks.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
This guy fought high.
But listen, man, if a guy kicks your ass high, he'd probably kick your ass sober.
It's not like taking beta blockers or something to completely eliminate your nervousness.
unbox therapy
Yeah, that's the thing.
That's the one thing I heard, though, is that maybe your pain threshold is elevated.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I don't buy that.
Here's why I don't buy that.
You don't feel pain when you're fighting anyway.
You're so jacked up with adrenaline.
There's so many times when you fight, and after it's over, you realize your hand is broken or something wrong with you.
Like Jon Jones, perfect example.
I'm interviewing him.
While I'm interviewing him, after he beat the shit out of Shale Son, and he looks down and sees his toe upside down.
unidentified
I remember that toe.
I remember that toe.
joe rogan
He had no idea.
He had no idea until he looked down.
He saw that his toe was flipped over, and the bottom of his toe was facing up.
I was there.
I saw it happen.
And he immediately goes, oh, my toe.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
We got him a chair, and he sat down.
I continued the interview with him, literally going into shock over his toe.
Why was that?
It wasn't because he was on a drug.
He wasn't high.
josh olin
It was because of his adrenaline.
unbox therapy
Would that injury have had to have the fight stopped if they...
joe rogan
Most likely.
unbox therapy
If it went to the end of the round or whatever?
joe rogan
Well, Uriah Hall...
Had a similar injury.
It wasn't to his big toe, but it was one of his other toes.
It was a compound fracture.
It was broken and the bone was poking out of his toe.
And he still fought two more rounds with it.
And he still threw kicks with that fucking leg.
And won the fight.
That's how tough Uriah Hall is.
But, I mean, he had to, you know, he had to be mentally tough.
I mean, he had to go back to his corner.
He realized his toe was completely fucked.
And he just said, okay, whatever.
And, I mean, limped back to his corner.
But, once the round started, dude was on his feet and moving around like nothing was wrong.
He just dealt with the pain and said, I'm going to win this fucking fight anyway.
Incredible.
A lot of that is also because of adrenaline.
Your adrenaline shields you from, you know, your adrenaline realizes you're in a battle for your life.
You don't need to worry about bruises.
You don't need to worry about pain.
It's not pain, necessarily, that stops fighters.
It's debilitating techniques, like a liver shot.
When you get hit with a liver shot, it's not like, oh my god, it was so painful.
It fucking definitely hurts.
But the real problem with a liver shot is it shuts your system down.
josh olin
Your system doesn't work anymore.
joe rogan
You get nailed with a left hook to the liver.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
It hits you, and it's this crazy feeling.
Your breath doesn't work anymore.
Your legs lock up.
You're like, ugh!
It's not a pain thing.
It's a system shutdown.
When you get knocked out.
You get kicked in the head.
It's not that your head hurts.
Of course it hurts.
But the real problem is not pain.
The real problem is your brain shuts off.
You get neck kicked.
It cuts off the circulation to your brain.
The spark.
The fucking nerves get shattered.
Everything gets wonked out.
And your brain goes, okay, night, night.
And you shut off.
It's a full system shutdown.
unbox therapy
It wasn't a choice at all, obviously.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's pain that these guys experience, but that's not necessarily what stops fights.
So the pain threshold thing, I don't buy it.
I think the real pain threshold is adrenaline.
That's what really keeps you from feeling pain, and we're going to have that naturally.
That's the most effective thing.
Marijuana is an effective pain reducer after competition.
Or after training.
It's one of the things that people really like to do.
They have a hard day of training.
They like to sit back, smoke a joint, and watch a little TV. Well, they can't do that if they're being tested, you know, in this really restrictive way.
Sporadically and so on, yeah.
The marijuana thing, they've changed the threshold considerably.
And I had Jeff Nowitzki on the podcast.
unbox therapy
I listened to that episode, yeah.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Really interesting guy and very smart and very, you know, on top of the testing thing.
And he's like, it's out of competition if you're not...
You would literally have to get high the day of the fight.
To test positive now.
That's the way they're doing it.
unbox therapy
So the test that Diaz got popped for was before this alteration was made?
joe rogan
Nope.
It's by the current standards.
So the problem is, he tested twice under the threshold of the current standards.
The WADA tests had him under the threshold, which says he was not high when he competed.
But the test that they used, I believe it was Quest Labs, sorry if I'm wrong, which is a very good lab, but it showed a completely different test than the test that WADA instituted.
On top of that, again, we're talking about urine.
We're talking about urine versus blood.
And when you're testing metabolites...
unbox therapy
And so why in this particular case did that test take precedent over the WADA test?
joe rogan
Because it's their test.
unbox therapy
Who's they?
joe rogan
Nevada State Athletic Commission.
That's where it's fucked.
unbox therapy
It's not the UFC's test.
joe rogan
The UFC has no fucking place in this.
They brought in the USADA, US Anti-Doping Association, which is where Nowitzki comes in.
unidentified
Ah, right, right.
joe rogan
They brought those guys in.
unbox therapy
I guess I'm referring to them as...
Because they're hired by them.
joe rogan
They're hired by the UFC to clean up the sport, but they have no say on how the tests are implemented, how the results are dispersed.
The idea of bringing in the government and bringing in a guy like Nowitzki is, look, if you really want to clean up the sport, you hire a fucking bulldog who's just going to go after it.
You don't do it yourself.
Because if you do it yourself, there's always the possibility that someone could hide the results because there's a financial interest.
Like you would, you know, you would test Conor McGregor, you find out he's fighting high.
You're like, look, listen, you're saying some great shit, but you can't fight high, dude.
But with the USADA... You don't have a say in how the stuff is.
That's perfect.
unbox therapy
That sounds perfect.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And that's how they want to do it.
But what that shows is a real commitment to clean up the sport.
unbox therapy
But I don't understand what good it is if it doesn't take precedence.
And what are you wasting all this money for?
joe rogan
It's because the Nevada State Athletic Commission is incompetent.
And they're a tyranny.
And they're a bunch of people that have...
If you watch the fucking commission, those people are drunk with power.
They're drunk with power and they felt like they were made fools of because he's tested positive before.
But he tested positive before under their different thresholds, the thresholds that existed before the current established standard.
It's all fucked.
unbox therapy
Who hires these people?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
unbox therapy
Who do you go after?
Is it the governor?
At the highest level...
joe rogan
It should be the governor.
I think the governor did step in once and there was an investigation when there was a woman who was tested.
The Tim Bradley, Manny Pacquiao fight, like, really poorly.
And she was one of the reasons why Pacquiao didn't win that fight.
And then they went over her history of judging fights.
And they're like, what the fuck?
Like, she gets a lot of fights wrong.
And she would get fights wrong that were really bad decisions.
And so they were trying to figure out, like, what does she know about fighting?
Does she know any?
How does she get this job?
Who hired her?
How does this work?
And so the governor stepped in because there was a national outcry over a couple of boxing decisions.
unbox therapy
So that's it.
His office needs to be bombarded right now.
joe rogan
I hope they are.
Well, there's a government petition.
Somebody put out a White House petition to reinstate Nick Diaz.
But what's shown up, this is what needed to be done.
And this is the good thing about this.
We needed to see how dumb these fucking people are.
We needed to see how bad they are at their jobs, how cruel they are, how callous they are.
The fact that they could just...
Think it's okay to take away $165,000 from the guy's purse and take away his ability to compete and make a living for five years in his prime?
brian redban
Yeah, it's his career.
joe rogan
It's done.
It's over.
Yeah, five years is a career killer.
unidentified
I mean, Nick takes care of his- How do they come up with that number?
joe rogan
Because they're assholes.
unbox therapy
Did that number just come out of...
unidentified
Sure.
unbox therapy
I've never heard, maybe with the exception of what's his name, the guy who's...
joe rogan
Shlomenko.
Alexander Shlomenko got tested positive in California, and Andy Foster, who's the chairman in California, he's very hell-bent on taking out cheaters.
He doesn't want any of that shit.
And Shlomenko's tests were through the roof.
His testosterone was way out of whack.
And he's got a court case, and...
I don't know how that's going to go.
We don't know.
You never know.
unbox therapy
How do you feel about...
Okay, even in the case of steroids, where it's an obvious performance enhancer, how do you feel about a five-year suspension for that?
Like, a five-year suspension.
Is there ever a place for five years?
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
Devonta tried to ban Vanderlei Silva for a lifetime.
unbox therapy
That was who I was thinking of.
That's who I was thinking of.
joe rogan
They lost that.
They lost that in court.
unbox therapy
So they couldn't?
joe rogan
They went to court.
Vanderlei's lawyers went to court and they beat that.
Of course they beat it.
Because he didn't even test positive for anything.
unbox therapy
He ran away from the test.
joe rogan
He ran away from the test.
You run away from the test in their eyes.
You're guilty.
And they wanted to send a message they're not to be trifled with.
brian redban
So is Diaz going to take this to court, you think?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, and he's going to win too, and I hope he sues the shit out of them.
I hope he sues the shit out of them.
I really do.
And I hope he wins, and I hope that the governor steps in, or someone steps in, that can say, there are people that you can hire that will understand what the fuck is going on.
You need former athletes, you need people who are experts in science and medicine, that understand What the thresholds are.
Understand the difference between urine tests and blood tests.
And also, you need commissioners.
You're going to need people that have the educated ability to make these judgments based on whatever discipline that they would need to be a master of to understand this.
Like, if you're talking about steroids, You would need someone who's a steroid expert.
If you're talking about performance-enhancing drugs like meth, you should have to establish the fact that you understand what the effects of all these things are.
You should have to have some education in the effects of all these things.
Now, with marijuana, there's no data.
You've got no data that shows that if a person takes marijuana, they can hurt someone more easily than if they don't take marijuana.
So as soon as you have that, you don't have any data.
So if you don't have any data, then you gotta go, how are you banning people for this?
Like, Ronda Rousey fucking went off today.
unidentified
It was beautiful.
I watched that clip.
unbox therapy
I watched that clip.
joe rogan
She went off and dropped the mic after it was over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of the things that she said that I totally agree with about marijuana, she said this in the past too, it's an invasion of privacy is what it is.
You're invading someone's privacy.
Just like the fact that if you work for a company, and the company decides to test you, and you work all week, you do a great job, you work hard, and then Friday's 5 o'clock, baby, it's over.
You want to smoke a joint, you're home, you worked all day, you want to watch The Walking Dead, you want to put your feet up and you want to get high.
You can't.
You fucking can't because they own you.
They own you.
They own your flesh.
They literally own your mind when you're not there.
Because everyone knows that marijuana is not psychoactive permanently.
It's not like you smoke a joint on Friday and then you show up on Monday morning and you're still high as fuck and you're high for the rest of your life.
That's not the case.
So if you smoke pot, you will be tested four or five weeks from now.
You will still test positive.
If you don't smoke any pot, if you get high right now and then four weeks from now they give you a urinalysis test, depending on what they're looking for, if they're just trying to trace metabolites, you can still test positive in four weeks.
That's fucking insane.
unbox therapy
So it's simply a control thing.
It's a power thing.
joe rogan
It's a power thing.
These people are government people.
They're government people that like to be able to tell people what to do.
unbox therapy
That's my concern, though, is if it's a power thing, how deep is it?
How many levels does it go to?
How many judges?
brian redban
I hope Anonymous should find out.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they're probably already on the case.
But ultimately, I hope they're on the case.
Ultimately, the public...
Public outcry.
Look, this is a tyranny.
These are a few people that are deciding, which is, again, we're not talking about steroids here.
We're just talking about pot.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just doesn't make sense.
And we're also talking about a guy who passed two world anti-doping agency tests.
Those are the most strict fucking tests in the world of sports.
He passed two of those and failed a quest.
I think it's quest.
Again, I apologize if I'm wrong, but the bottom line is the tests were not the tests that you need when you're taking away a guy's fucking livelihood and you're fining him for $165,000 out of a $500,000 purse, which, by the way, he has to pay his managers, he has to pay taxes, he has to pay all these different things.
When you make $500,000, you don't make $500,000.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Because you have a manager.
The manager has 10%.
You might have an agent.
The agent gets a piece.
You might have a lawyer.
You might have a business manager.
You have to pay taxes.
You have training expenses.
unbox therapy
Yeah, training partners.
joe rogan
You have to be very strict.
And Nick is notoriously disciplined with his diet.
I mean, he eats all organic food.
He's mostly vegan, except I think he eats some fish.
He doesn't eat any land animals.
And he does this based on the effect on his body because he's an extreme endurance athlete.
He does a lot of triathlons and he does a lot of running.
He swam back and forth from Alcatraz twice.
I mean, he's a motherfucker, dude.
He takes care of his body.
And if he's smoking pot, that should tell you that pot's not bad for your body.
It's real simple.
But he's not cheating.
He's not doing steroids.
He's not doing anything that gives him an unfair advantage.
He's working hard, he's tough as shit, and he fucking fights smart.
And these assholes, they stole his ability to entertain people.
And he's one of the most popular guys in the fucking sport.
When he came back and fought Anderson Silva, the pay-per-view was through the roof.
And why was that?
Well, partly because people wanted to see what Anderson Silva would look like after he came back from a leg injury, this horrific leg break, but also it's because he's fighting Nick Diaz.
You know, Nick Diaz is going to talk shit to him like he did, like he got in his face.
He's like, what, bitch?
What, bitch?
Like, nobody had ever done that to Anderson Silva before.
He laid down on the ground like he was making a sleepy face, like, look, I'm sleeping, you're boring the fuck out of me, and jumped back up to his feet.
He humiliated Anderson, completely fucked with his head inside that cage.
That's what people paid for.
And what he is experiencing right now is a bunch of assholes taking away his ability to compete.
Taking away his ability to thrill people at what he does best.
This guy has worked for more than a fucking decade as a professional mixed martial arts fighter.
More than who knows how many years before that training and learning how to fight.
All that's taken away by some assholes.
brian redban
I don't think it's going to stick at all.
joe rogan
It's not going to stick, but I hope what the outcome is, is that we realize that these people are just bad at what they do, and they get removed.
Kevin Aioli wrote a fantastic piece about it.
Kevin Aioli, who's a very respected sports reporter, I forget what publication he writes for, but he's very respected in the world of combat sports especially.
He said they expose themselves as being ridiculous.
They expose themselves as being incompetent.
unbox therapy
Yeah, it's like it takes a critical moment like this to get everybody motivated enough to actually incite some change.
joe rogan
It made me so angry, dude.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
I haven't seen this kind of reaction.
Not that I can remember.
joe rogan
Since The Lion Killer.
brian redban
Yeah, this is like the opposite.
This is like the positive of the, you know, the other side of the, you know, thing.
Because this is people taking social media in a positive.
unbox therapy
Yeah, but you see, but the way that Joe's talking about it here is measured, right?
He's not saying go to these people's homes and torture their children.
joe rogan
Right.
unbox therapy
That's the problem, is that, like, this stuff gets misconstrued.
Like, getting back to the lion killer thing is like, yes, be motivated, but be smart about it.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, it's also the thing that we were talking about before.
I think you're right, though.
It does bring it full circle.
It's like this highlights what's good about people being able to express themselves.
And it also highlights how these established sort of structures, they operate on this old paradigm.
And they haven't caught up to the new paradigm yet.
They don't understand that this is not gonna end.
Like this whole Nick Diaz thing and the Vanderlei-Silver thing, you've got two legends of the sport that you've fucked.
You've fucked over.
You know, and there's one thing also when people are injured and they're taking things to help them recover.
Man, I'm not against that.
I'm just not.
unbox therapy
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, if a guy...
There's certain things you can take that will help you recover from injury that are absolutely legal.
Like, here's one.
Stem cells.
Okay?
Here's one that I have personal experience with.
unbox therapy
Are those outlawed?
joe rogan
No, they're not.
But, dude...
They fucking work.
They work to repair injuries.
They're incredible.
I mean, it's incredible.
They can regenerate cartilage now.
So if you don't have access to stem cells, and you're competing with someone who does, and this guy gets a stem cell injection on his knees, and his knees are fixed up so he's going to be able to train harder, and you have to tough through it, well, should that be legal?
Well, there's a similarity to that to people who get knee injuries or knee surgeries and then take a steroid to help themselves repair quicker so they can get back to competing quicker.
unbox therapy
You know, one of the fucked up things about this too is just looking at it surface level, These dudes go out there and beat each other up for other people's entertainment.
And, you know, in that interview with Diaz after the fact, he was talking about how the people making decisions about what he can and can't do, those people sitting on the board or whatever the hell it is, they don't have to experience that.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're not...
And what you're saying as far as like recovery is concerned, it's like how can a regular person make a judgment on that?
And coming back to the thing about having a union, fighters are the only people who should be making decisions about fighters.
joe rogan
Right.
And most fighters feel very strongly.
That you shouldn't be able to use performance-enhancing drugs and compete.
And Rhonda has said this very clearly, and she said something I totally agree with.
The difference between this and any other sport is if you give a guy steroids and he plays baseball, what's the big deal?
He's just going to hit a ball better.
But if you give a guy steroids and you let him fight, he could administer damage that maybe he would not have been able to administer.
He could hurt someone that maybe he wouldn't have had the endurance to hurt, he wouldn't have been able to deliver the combination that wound up hurting this person very badly, or possibly even killing someone.
And she said that if someone ever does die, and the other person tests positive for steroids, they should really get charged with murder.
unbox therapy
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean, it kind of does, right?
unbox therapy
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
I don't know about that either, but there's a fine line.
unbox therapy
I just think it's so hard to put yourself in a person's shoes that's competing.
Like, for me.
For me.
I don't have somebody trying to knock my fucking head off.
And if that was going to work for me...
I just feel like you need a different kind of set of rules agreed upon by the person you're about to step in there with.
joe rogan
That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I agree with that as well.
Like, say, if you two guys were going to fight and you made an agreement...
unbox therapy
That we're both going to be juiced!
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah, you should be able to do that.
I agree with that.
unbox therapy
And we could, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it's not legal.
unbox therapy
Well, not professionally.
joe rogan
Not in the United States.
unbox therapy
UFC Island though What was that podcast with the floating countries?
unidentified
Not on a paper view.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
That's all you need.
unbox therapy
A barge off the coast.
joe rogan
What do they call that shit again?
unbox therapy
Seasteading.
joe rogan
Seasteading.
Thank you.
unbox therapy
That's what it was.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's totally true.
That's totally true.
They need to have seasteading fights just off the coast.
Like you go to Catalina.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they fucking duke it out.
All juiced up.
Everybody's 190 fucking percent testosterone.
brian redban
Free hookers in the audience.
unbox therapy
Sounds exciting as hell.
joe rogan
How much are you paying to get in there?
brian redban
That's an hour's a ticket.
joe rogan
That's not enough.
brian redban
These hookers are good.
joe rogan
That's not enough money to pay for the ticket if they're all free.
How much these girls can get paid?
brian redban
They just want to be on the island.
joe rogan
Tax-free.
I think in bringing it full circle, what we're exposing here is that this ability to communicate about things is changing.
It's changing radically.
Anybody has a say now.
Literally anybody.
You're not vetted out based on your intelligence.
You're not judged Beforehand, you're not screened.
Anybody can just scream out.
I have a friend who goes and reads comments on his stuff and he gets all upset.
I go, you're getting upset at people you don't even know.
You're allowing these people into your head.
These people say idiotic things and he gets upset.
Of course they're going to say idiotic things.
They're idiots.
Do you hang out with idiots?
Well, listen, man, if you go to idiots' houses and start asking them questions, they're going to say some shit you disagree with.
Are you going to argue with them all day?
You won't have a life.
You don't have enough time in the day to pay attention.
Look at yourself.
Be honest and be self-objective.
Make your own sort of analysis of the pros and cons of your behavior and your thinking.
And then, if they disagree with that, you kind of have at least some sort of an idea But you don't have that idea on the internet.
See, because you just...
All you see is text.
You don't see the person's life behind that text.
You don't see what a fuck-up they've been their whole life that's allowed them to be...
unbox therapy
It's lacking context.
unidentified
You don't see that they're 12. Yeah!
joe rogan
And fucking mean, too.
That's another thing to take into consideration.
unbox therapy
I have to wonder what the effect of it...
Let's say, for example, I had access to the same stuff when I was 12. Would I have been the same asshole?
joe rogan
Probably.
I think I would have.
If I was an angry kid...
If I was...
If I was able to, for whatever reason, get upset about something that I felt like in some way that I would be justified.
But again, my anger wouldn't have really been directed towards what I was getting upset about.
They would have just given me the green light to express some of the anger that I had about my own life.
You know, I think that's a lot of what we're dealing with here.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I think it just manifests itself in these various causes.
You know, like you said before, it is that people are not all that happy about their own personal situation.
joe rogan
Yes.
unbox therapy
But it's a lot easier to latch on to conflict that someone else has sort of shaped for you than it is to necessarily tackle the super personal thing that you're upset with.
joe rogan
Yeah, or get your life to a point of balance where you can actually look at anything that's going on in the world and have just sort of an intelligent...
unbox therapy
And that's where I think that even though this is the Wild West and everyone has a voice, there are obviously voices that have emerged as more prominent.
joe rogan
Well, and communities, too.
unbox therapy
And communities, too.
And I think that that's where I still see a sense of responsibility.
That, okay, fine, all you need is a smartphone and Twitter to say what you want.
But influence still exists.
joe rogan
Yes.
unbox therapy
And I feel like sometimes you'll witness influence being irresponsible.
Case in point, and I mean, I don't know how people feel about this, but like when Jimmy Kimmel was crying on the air.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
unbox therapy
Like...
For me, that's an abusive influence, because he wasn't painting the entire picture there.
joe rogan
Right.
unbox therapy
He was picking his side in a very short-form little, what was it, two sentences?
And then showing that kind of physical emotion associated with it.
That was fuel, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that was his perspective, though.
He's got a limited perspective.
First of all, you saw his perspective about video games and how offended people got about that.
They were calling in death threats against him, which I found incredibly ironic after he defends the Lion Hunter, then he goes off about video games being a sport, and people are like, fuck you!
unidentified
You should die!
I agree with the video game guys!
joe rogan
It's a sport!
unbox therapy
It's a fucking sport.
I'm with that.
joe rogan
So what he was doing by saying, by mocking it, I guess he's trying to do comedy, but he's being disrespectful to an emerging sport, which is unquestionably involves skill and intelligence and planning and strategy.
brian redban
He just didn't know.
unbox therapy
He didn't know.
Exactly.
joe rogan
But he's also not informed about the line guy.
He was wrong.
unbox therapy
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like, I think we all need to get smarter if we have established a voice on the web, like take an extra second before you hit that send button.
I know I've had this experience myself in the various communications I've had about products, let's say, or videos I want to make or tweets I want to send, of like...
What is the effect of this thing going to be?
It might even be the way that I feel, and I still don't want to do it because I'm thinking about the reaction, I'm thinking about the trickle effect of this particular sentiment.
And I don't think we're there yet.
I think a lot of the influencers, if you want to call them that, are behaving irresponsibly in wanting to put out a hot take Wanting to have something to say about this topic that has overwhelmed the web, that we're susceptible to the same thing that the lower level jerk in his room or that other guy that you were speaking about, because it's attractive.
It's attractive to get involved in the conversation, even with limited information.
joe rogan
You're right.
You're dead right.
And I think we've all been guilty of that.
And I think that's a really good point.
And a really important point.
Because I think that whenever a subject comes up, people do...
Say there's no podcast.
No podcast at all.
And someone brought up some point, like that lady who's denying people gay marriage.
That lady in Kentucky.
And we would be like, this fucking dumb cunt.
We'll all start talking shit.
Someone should go over her house, hold her down, and make guys fuck right in front of her face.
We would say a bunch of crazy shit that's not really a responsible thing to say, but then you do it in a podcast.
One of the things that I like about people wearing headsets is that at least it makes you think that you do something professionally.
There's been a few times where I was like, man, maybe wearing headsets, because you forget.
unbox therapy
That is fucking really cool, what you're saying.
I never thought of that.
joe rogan
That's how I think about it, because I think there's something about it being in your ear.
Like, I hear you in my ear just as clearly as I hear him, even though he's a few extra feet away.
We're all in the same sound wave, and this makes me feel professional.
unbox therapy
It extracts you just enough from the sort of regular hangout zone that you're like, okay, people are listening.
unidentified
Yeah.
unbox therapy
You measure it just maybe a second, maybe a second longer.
joe rogan
It's a real point that I think a lot of people, especially comedians, when I have comedians on the podcast, sometimes they just forget that or they're not aware of that or they're not aware of it to the extent that I am because I know the numbers.
Like, you're doing a show.
And there's a lot of people listening, and you have a responsibility to be entertaining, but you also have a responsibility to be accurate.
You can't really say things that people might just take as fact when you haven't researched them, because you're reaching millions and millions of fucking people now, and you can change the way they look at things.
So like when this Mike Huckabee guy...
Latches on, you know, that fucking guy who latched on to that Kim lady, what the fuck her name is, the Kentucky clerk who wouldn't allow people to get gay men.
He fucking immediately, like, this is a great thing.
He starts tweeting about it.
There's a war on religious freedom, religious liberty, and it's hilarious.
Like, hashtag religious liberty.
And all these other apes got involved, and they're all fucking...
Screaming and yelling and it's cool.
It's cool to watch because you're watching like the last gasps of a dying ignorant perspective.
You're literally seeing the last few generations of monkeys that believe some dumb shit that was written on animal skins thousands of years ago.
You're seeing the last echoes of the game of telephone Where you tell someone and I tell someone and it gets translated from generation to generation for over a thousand years before anybody bothers writing it down.
Then once they write it down, they write it down in a fucking dead language and it has to be translated to all these other languages.
I mean, that is what we're seeing when we see that lady screaming with her glasses on at the Mike Huckabee fucking convention.
unidentified
Hey, we're going to stop all that butt!
unbox therapy
Fucking!
joe rogan
She's yelling it out.
We're seeing a woman who contradicts the very message of the Bible itself because she's been married four fucking times.
You're not supposed to get divorced.
How many religious people do you know that have tattoos?
You're not supposed to get tattoos.
You can't fucking pick and choose.
You can't pick and choose your shit.
brian redban
Cherry pick your religion.
joe rogan
They cherry pick what they like and what they don't like about their religion.
What she has done is just as bad as a mouth fucking.
unbox therapy
I think what you're saying is completely true here in North America, but globally, religion?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unbox therapy
It ain't slowing down.
joe rogan
Well, it's hard to get the internet to places in the middle of nowhere, and it's hard to get the influence of those communities, but it will happen eventually.
unbox therapy
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
And when it does happen, you realize that your perspective is simply the perspective of the people around you that you have sort of adopted.
And your view of life, your view of religion, your view of all...
I mean, I've had people on my podcast that used to be Muslim, and they've become atheists.
And they lived there in the Middle East, and they were a part of that culture, and they thought like those people did.
And then they came over here, and they started reading, and they started getting into it, and they started really, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck?
Look at this ideology that I've subscribed to.
This isn't the only way to think, and not only that, if you take enough time and look at it objectively, it's not even rational.
It's not like this is a bulletproof ideology, but that's how it's tried.
Most religions try to pass their stuff off.
Scientology tries to pass their stuff off like that.
They try to pass their stuff off as bulletproof.
This is the way.
unbox therapy
That's the sale.
That's the sales pitch, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the way to become happy.
Yeah, but again, I think the internet is the cure to that shit.
unbox therapy
Yeah, information.
Information, for sure, is the number one sort of ulterior fighting force against this type of stuff that you're talking about.
Access to it in the same way.
We were talking about getting internet into hard-to-reach places.
That's actually a Google X project that they're working on with these air balloons.
I don't know if you've heard about this.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're Wi-Fi balloons, right?
unbox therapy
Yeah, so it's like weather balloons that hover above areas that have no service, hard to reach places, and they're on a cycle.
So like your phone is rapidly switching between the one that's actually overhead at that point, and as that one slowly drifts out of range on the jet stream...
The next one flows in, and then you hand off to that one.
So you don't notice an interruption in connection, but since a weather balloon can't sit there forever, it's floating along with the weather system.
But some really cool technology, there's some videos online that show how they've made it.
So the idea being is places like North Korea, for example, float your fucking balloons.
joe rogan
Just shoot them out of the sky.
unbox therapy
Well, it's actually kind of, they're pretty high up.
joe rogan
You sound like you're selling them.
unbox therapy
And I am.
I am.
Because fuck this North Korea shit.
For real.
That's bonkers that we're allowing that to still exist.
And the beauty of it is going in there without weapons, going in there with information.
Don't you love that storyline?
We're going in there with connectivity, bitch.
We're going to bring it up from the grassroots, the rise of a nation.
Let the people make the decision for themselves.
And you've got South Korea right there.
I mean, it'd be so easy.
You've got this beautiful little base to let these things go over.
I love the idea of informational warfare.
That it doesn't have to be about...
Bullets and bombs that if you can reach enough people with a particular message, you know, they can figure it out.
joe rogan
It'll take time, right?
For them, it'll take a lot of time.
They're so deep in the web.
unbox therapy
I don't know, man, because anywhere, like you just spoke about a person completely changing their religious outlook just upon arriving somewhere else.
You think about it, what is the difference?
It's the information available to them.
Even though it might not be on a phone or a laptop, it's the information they're supposed to by the culture they're surrounded with.
joe rogan
It's not the geographic location.
unbox therapy
Exactly.
And if you look at how quickly uprisings took place in places like Egypt and so on, it was just like, give them Twitter?
Holy shit!
An immediate overhaul in the behavior because all of a sudden now you've got this massive cultural shift of communication and so on, and people with access to Google.
I mean, why do you think China has been blocking YouTube and Google since day one?
Day one, because the warfare has always been about information.
World War II doesn't happen without propaganda.
joe rogan
Well, I have a friend who worked, doesn't work anymore at Google, but she would go over to China and have meetings with these people, and they were like, well, we want access to these people's emails.
We want to be able to block these things.
They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not...
unbox therapy
Well, actually, that's an important distinction to make because it's not that they're just blocked.
It's also that Google doesn't want to be there either for those exact reasons.
So it's a two-way thing.
But I think that the control structures that exist in our global perspective, they exist because of an agenda, a particular agenda, whatever that might be.
And you can't control people if you don't control information flow.
joe rogan
And also I think that people almost automatically or naturally gravitate towards controlling others if they have power.
unbox therapy
Nevada State.
joe rogan
Nevada State Athletic Commission or any king or dictatorship or what people felt about the NSA. That's why people are so outraged with this Edward Stoughton thing, that these people who are no different than you, no different than I, We just got jobs and could research ex-girlfriends' emails.
I mean, they could do all kinds of creepy shit that you shouldn't really be able to do and the public didn't know about it.
unbox therapy
Power corrupts.
joe rogan
Power corrupts, absolutely.
And absolutely power.
Absolutely.
Whatever the hell that works.
How's it going?
Absolute power corrupts.
unbox therapy
And power corrupts absolutely.
joe rogan
And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That's what it is.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Yeah, and governments have absolute power.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Government of North Korea absolutely has absolute power, and that's the scariest version that we have.
And it also throws in the face whenever the U.S. talks about invading Syria or any of these other places.
Like, what about the worst spot?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
What about the spot with nuclear bombs that's run by a fucking nut?
unbox therapy
Completely true.
And when you have allies like South Korea, Japan, that are right in the zone there, right in bomb zone, and like what...
I just imagine that there was a border here with that kind of shit on the other side like that's a Daily life type situation for people in South Korea.
It's a completely developed place much like here culturally Complete free and open marketplace and their neighbor Their neighbor are these psychos like it's one thing for us to think about it at this distance But those people daily life is wondering what the fuck is gonna happen?
joe rogan
And the whole country, North and South Korea, is like the size of Texas.
unbox therapy
That, too.
joe rogan
How big is North Korea and South Korea?
Find that out.
unbox therapy
I might have made that up.
No, I would say you're about right.
brian redban
And if their grocery stores are fake, and if they're putting this whole fake thing on...
Grocery stores are fake.
You know, like how they have...
unbox therapy
Yeah, the Vice documentary.
joe rogan
Oh, the restaurants.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the Vice did, they set up fake restaurants for PR purposes to make it look like they're normal.
brian redban
But you gotta know, the nuclear plan's probably fake.
They can't do anything.
joe rogan
They've actually proven that, that they're nuclear missiles and they're all wonky.
They've done some tests.
They suck.
brian redban
They're probably like Canadians or something.
unbox therapy
How dare you?
joe rogan
He looked right at your sideways.
unbox therapy
And I'm not going to look at him now.
I'm not going to give him.
brian redban
He's kidding.
joe rogan
They don't have innovation.
unbox therapy
Hey, we keep you guys honest, all right?
That's our job up there.
joe rogan
Well, you're nicer than us.
We always go over there and go, God, why can't we be like Canadians somewhere?
brian redban
Why can't the government settle a liquor?
unbox therapy
I've actually been getting, yeah, that's fucked up.
Don't get me started on that.
joe rogan
What's going on?
The government what?
brian redban
Government owns all the liquor in Canada.
unbox therapy
The LCBO, no, it's provincial.
The LCBO, fuck you all right now.
joe rogan
You guys don't have legal weed anywhere, do you?
unbox therapy
Legal weed, yeah, well, medical.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not like Colorado.
unbox therapy
Nobody has given a fuck about weed in Canada for as long as I've been alive.
So maybe it's not on paper legal.
joe rogan
Why are they just making it on paper?
You know, Colorado has made more money in taxes this year for the first time ever than alcohol with weed.
More money from weed than alcohol.
unbox therapy
Well, actually, and that's perfect for what he's talking about.
The LCBO is the Ontario Liquor Board, who is the single biggest retailer of alcohol in the world.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unbox therapy
Because it's a huge marketplace, well, a big marketplace, and they're the only sellers.
So they get to set the price.
So alcohol is expensive.
The stores are fucking magnificent.
Samples and fancy.
brian redban
When they're open, don't they close at 8pm?
So if you want to get some Jack Daniels at 810, you can't get it?
unidentified
Is he right?
unbox therapy
No, most of them are 10. Alright.
brian redban
Well, it's still 10 o'clock.
joe rogan
He doesn't even go to bed until 16 o'clock.
unbox therapy
Most of them are 10. And listen, and listen, there's an argument to be made.
I, you know, I see that side of it, but...
There's some shady-ass liquor stores, too, that you don't have to deal with because it's treated the way that it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, but see, that's part of the fun of an open market, those shady-ass liquor stores.
unbox therapy
That's true.
joe rogan
Like, we were in Phoenix.
We went to that drive-thru store.
We were in Phoenix.
There was a guy who, uh, he's dead now, so we could talk shit about him.
He used to run this comedy club, and he was out of his fucking mind.
He wouldn't let us drink on stage.
He said it was a law.
And we found out that there wasn't a law.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So what we decided to do was drive to this drive-thru fucking liquor store by a bottle of Jack Daniels and a flat.
And then while I was on stage, I explained that I was drinking Diet Coke, but I'd like to have warm Diet Coke and pour it in my cold Diet Coke.
unidentified
Makes sense.
brian redban
And you would like turn around.
joe rogan
Pull that out of my pocket.
Then one of the fucking waitresses ratted me out.
unbox therapy
I'm with you.
brian redban
I'll be there tomorrow, by the way.
Phoenix, Arizona.
Stand up live unless the Phoenix shooter hits me.
And I go Tanaka.
joe rogan
The Phoenix shooter?
brian redban
Yeah, there's a highway shooter that's just shooting cars in Phoenix.
I think he's got 11 people so far.
unbox therapy
Killed?
brian redban
No, no one's been killed yet, but he's just shooting with sniper rifles.
joe rogan
So you and Hinchcliffe and Aiko Tanaka, that's a great show.
And that's a stand-up live, great fucking comedy club.
Unfortunately, we've got to wrap this thing up.
unbox therapy
Can I just be clear about one thing here?
joe rogan
Please do.
unbox therapy
Open market booze in Ontario, I'm for that, okay?
Okay.
The LCBO is okay, but I'm not...
That sounds like I was on team LCBO there.
joe rogan
I see.
I don't know what LCBO is.
unbox therapy
That's the Ontario Liquor Board, the group that controls alcohol.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unbox therapy
Free market, yes.
unidentified
Free market.
unbox therapy
Yes, free market.
joe rogan
No, it didn't sound like you were...
unbox therapy
Oh, okay.
He was painting something over there.
brian redban
I just get frustrated every time I go to Toronto, and I'm like, I'm going to get some Jack Daniels.
unidentified
Oh, wait, I can't.
joe rogan
Plan in advance.
Plan a little bit in advance.
unbox therapy
Well, you could still go to a bar.
brian redban
Yeah.
unbox therapy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I think liquor stores should be 24 hours a day.
That's one thing that I really love about Vegas, is that they don't restrict when you drink.
The bad thing is, you have to have 15 different kinds of aids to get a medical marijuana card there.
But that's just for now.
unbox therapy
Yeah, well, I suppose the thinking there might be that if people get high, they're drinking less, spending less, gambling less.
joe rogan
You want to hear irony?
One of the chairmen's, one of the commissioners for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his company that he owns, applied for a medical marijuana license.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian redban
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, his name is- How perfect.
People dig into this.
His name is Commissioner Marmel, and his company applied for a marijuana dispensary license last year.
brian redban
Anonymous.
joe rogan
How about that?
How about that, you twats?
How about that?
unbox therapy
Perfect.
joe rogan
All right, folks.
Unbox Therapy is on YouTube, and it's fucking fantastic.
Red Band on Twitter.
Go to DeathSquad.tv for all the information regarding...
Still DeathSquad.tv?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
DeathSquad.tv, all the information about tomorrow night's show.
It's getting up live.
Tony Hinchcliffe, Iko Tanaka.
Sure it'll be a fucking bang-up fun time.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
It's going to be fun.
Always fun.
joe rogan
And Lewis is Unbox Therapy on Twitter.
And this weekend's show's almost sold out in Vancouver and Calgary.
There's only a handful of tickets left for Calgary.
But I'm there Friday and Saturday with the Golden Pony, a.k.a.
Tony Hinchcliffe.
And I'll be back tomorrow with Dr. Chris Ryan.
So until then, bye-bye.
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