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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 23, 2015
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aubrey marcus
05:53
b
brendan schaub
25:14
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bryan callen
15:41
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eddie bravo
25:30
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joe rogan
01:13:33
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tait fletcher
15:38
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joe rogan
Damn, Sam Stout got KO'd in the first round.
brendan schaub
Ain't that a bitch.
joe rogan
We're alive.
Sorry we're late, but that's just how shit goes.
This is a Fight Companion podcast.
Have you ever heard one of these before?
Expect chaos.
Expect a lot of talking over.
Expect very little...
This is not like a regular podcast.
If you listen to this, it's like, wow, they're going to talk about some cool shit.
Maybe, but what we're actually doing is watching fights.
And during the fights, while they're playing off live, we're going to be talking.
Eddie Bravo's here.
eddie bravo
Thank you for having me, John.
joe rogan
You motherfucking owls.
Aubrey Marcus is in this.
unidentified
What's up?
joe rogan
Tate Fletcher just has entered the domicile.
bryan callen
The big Tate Fletcher.
joe rogan
Holla.
bryan callen
He's got a little more feminine when Tate was here.
joe rogan
Say hi to the world, Brian Callen.
bryan callen
I'll do whatever you say.
joe rogan
And Brendan motherfucking Schaub is also here.
The fight has already started.
We've got 3 minutes and 30 seconds on the clock left in the round.
First fight, Marina Moroz and Valerie Neterno.
Letourneau.
bryan callen
Banging, too.
The girls are banging.
joe rogan
This is the first fight, and if you're watching this live, you will probably be about 10 to 15 seconds behind the actual live fight.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
joe rogan
Big right in.
eddie bravo
Letourneau!
joe rogan
She shut her lights down for a second there.
That's that weird moment when someone's legs give out.
Look at this.
Empty half.
eddie bravo
Oh, I like that elbow to the stomach.
brendan schaub
To the gut.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
You don't see that too often.
brendan schaub
To the baby maker.
joe rogan
The way she's trying to catch the half guard, the girl on the bottom.
But you know who stopped Chuck Liddell?
Rampage stopped Chuck Liddell with elbows to the body.
Remember that?
brendan schaub
But from side control like that, with a downward elbow right there, you don't see that often.
joe rogan
Well, you're not supposed to.
Even on the body, you're not even supposed to throw that down.
brendan schaub
You see knees from there now.
joe rogan
So stupid.
brendan schaub
From side control.
joe rogan
You can't even throw a downward elbow to the thigh.
brendan schaub
No 12 to 6, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's illegal.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
It's so stupid.
brendan schaub
Super old school rule.
joe rogan
Do we have a seat for young Tate Fletcher?
brendan schaub
It's an old school rule, wasn't it, Joe?
Because they were saying a karate move was breaking, right?
This is a true story.
Breaking boards 12 to 6. That shit's so dangerous.
joe rogan
It was actually the Athletic Commission when John McCarthy met with them.
Big John McCarthy way back in the day.
He told me this.
They were so scared because they had seen ESPN like 2 o'clock in the morning, white dudes breaking cinder blocks.
With elbows, so lame.
eddie bravo
Can you do that any other way though?
Is that the most powerful fucking strike?
brendan schaub
No, a heel, a spinning heel kick will knock you into the next dimension.
eddie bravo
But can you break the same kind of shit they break with their elbows with other parts of your body?
joe rogan
It's just not there.
brendan schaub
Your heel or shin.
There's nothing tougher than your heel and shin.
joe rogan
Your heel doesn't hurt.
Like you can kick someone in the head with your heel And it doesn't hurt.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you break the shit out of your hands.
When was the last time you ever heard of someone breaking their heel by kicking someone?
Look at this girl's got some pretty clever jiu-jitsu, man.
brendan schaub
Inverted triangle?
joe rogan
Look at this, she's only got the head in there, but this bitch can't breathe.
Valerie Naterno, I shouldn't say bitch, because I do work for this organization.
brendan schaub
Be professional.
bryan callen
That's a really weird position.
brendan schaub
It's not doing anything.
It's just control.
joe rogan
It's not necessarily doing anything, but people have gone out from no arm triangles.
That's a fact.
People have gone unconscious.
If you have a good squeeze and you have short legs...
eddie bravo
You need something else in there, though.
unidentified
Most of the time.
brendan schaub
You really need an arm in there.
joe rogan
You should shut the fuck up right now, probably.
bryan callen
Sorry, man.
Are you sure she could be pushing it down on her knee?
joe rogan
No, you don't know anything.
bryan callen
I do.
You don't know.
joe rogan
But you know, one thing that does work, though, is the fucking leg scissors.
People do go to sleep with that leg scissors.
brendan schaub
I agree.
Leg scissors, yeah.
I agree.
This is different, though.
joe rogan
It is different.
brendan schaub
This upper triangle is a little different, especially at a high level.
You're not fucking seeing anyone like that.
joe rogan
Right, but as Valerie Letourneau, she had a high level with jiu-jitsu.
I know her striking's really good.
eddie bravo
She could go for a leg scissor right here if she untriangled her legs.
brendan schaub
Scissors are a different animal.
joe rogan
Her fucking head is stuck under the chin, though.
Look at that.
That's nasty.
She's stretching her neck out.
That bitch is going to be taller after this fight.
eddie bravo
Whenever I'm caught in something like that.
unidentified
Call her bitch again.
joe rogan
I can't help it.
bryan callen
Here comes a chin.
It's like a birth.
joe rogan
It's like a birth.
Dude, she's in trouble.
eddie bravo
Anytime I'm caught in something like this and I can't get my head out, my main goal, if I can't get my head out, is to do the exact same thing to them.
And it's like, dude, I got you too.
You guys want to let go together?
Let's let go together.
bryan callen
Took the word right out of my mouth, Eddie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This girl is not letting go, man.
This is really interesting.
brendan schaub
That's a lot of energy on your legs, too.
joe rogan
It is?
It is?
brendan schaub
What are they doing?
joe rogan
Are they stopping it?
eddie bravo
It's over.
brendan schaub
They're not standing them up.
joe rogan
What are they doing?
End of the round.
End of the round.
brendan schaub
Oh, I was about to say.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I'll be...
Fram oil filtered!
Oil shades done right!
The Fram cam!
The Fram cam!
tait fletcher
I appreciate what you were saying.
unidentified
I missed it.
joe rogan
Don't let him talk about jiu-jitsu.
You don't know a fucking thing.
bryan callen
That's why I butter my chin before I fight.
eddie bravo
My chin is always buttery.
unidentified
I always, always butter my chin.
joe rogan
Is that beer?
bryan callen
Yeah, yeah, it's beer, man.
joe rogan
Uh-oh, the Indian's out.
bryan callen
Grass-fed butter.
eddie bravo
Not yet.
joe rogan
I think you need a bottle opener, brother.
Hold on a second.
bryan callen
I saw you the other day at the store, but I didn't say anything.
joe rogan
Hey, Brian, you're on the microphone.
You know this is a podcast.
bryan callen
Yeah, man, but I'm talking to my boy Tate Fletcher.
He and I have a connection.
brendan schaub
Aubrey, your boy from Texas, Daniel Jolly.
joe rogan
Brian, Jamie, do we have a...
brendan schaub
Tough.
Tough first fight.
unidentified
That's a hell of a first fight to give somebody, too.
brendan schaub
They're both newcomers, though.
unidentified
This Latvian dude who looks like a killer.
brendan schaub
They were tough.
I went to college with Daniel Jolly.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that right hand.
brendan schaub
Nice right hand.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what, though.
That girl did recover, and that was a funky position she had Valerie in.
brendan schaub
Boom!
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Man, I am so fired up for December 12th.
You guys should all make a point of let's all try to head out to Vegas for the December 12th event.
That's a mad event, dude.
Chris Weidman.
Chris Weidman takes on Luke Rockhold.
Robbie Lawler takes on Carlos Condit.
And Aldo and McGregor, which probably won't happen.
brendan schaub
No, Lawler-Condit's in Australia.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
It's not Lawler-Condit.
What is it?
It's the other one.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Conor McGregor, Aldo.
joe rogan
But there's one other fight.
There's one other big fight on there.
unidentified
Jacare.
joe rogan
Hold on.
I'll read that for you.
bryan callen
Hold on.
brendan schaub
That might be right.
bryan callen
Jacareo Romero?
unidentified
Is it that?
brendan schaub
That's a motherfucking fight.
joe rogan
I'll tell you right now.
brendan schaub
Dude, we should do a fight companion from there, Joe.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
On a Friday.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
For the biggest card of the year.
joe rogan
That would be awesome.
Okay, hold on a second.
I'll tell you exactly what it is.
Okay, here it is.
brendan schaub
Weidman, Rockhold.
Conor, Aldo.
joe rogan
Yeah, Yoel Romero, Jacare.
That's the other big fight.
brendan schaub
That's a mother-in-law.
eddie bravo
Ronda Rousey, too, right?
brendan schaub
No, she's January 3rd.
unidentified
Bro, I don't agree with that fight.
joe rogan
The Holly Holm fight.
I just don't think that's smart.
I would have gone with Amanda Nunes before Holly Holm.
Amanda Nunes looked like a badass Badass.
She sure knocked out Sarah McMahon.
That's a more dangerous fighter.
brendan schaub
It's a more marketable fighter.
I get it, though.
What do you do?
joe rogan
I think that's a good fight.
brendan schaub
You know, all you're doing is, because when Ronda leaves, you need people to know these other girls, so basically you're just putting all these marketing dollars into these girls.
They're going to get their ass whooped.
What are you going to do?
You know what I'm saying?
So at least when Ronda leaves, we're like, oh yeah!
That's Holly Holmes!
She thought Ronda got her neck snapped off.
bryan callen
Amanda Nunez looks so impressive.
brendan schaub
She definitely has a better stand-up than Ronda, right?
I disagree.
You disagree?
tait fletcher
Non-mixed martial arts.
unidentified
Really?
tait fletcher
I would say, too, as a boxer, best boxer in the world, probably.
eddie bravo
In the world?
tait fletcher
Yeah, as a woman.
But the deal is, in boxing, it's a lot of point fighting.
It's like point karate, and so...
Is there knockout power in those hands, and Ronda has it, and Holly's been doing a different kind of sport for a long time.
brendan schaub
I agree 100% with Tate.
Like, if it was boxing, yeah, man, now we gotta fight.
joe rogan
She's only the best boxer in the world for women if Ann Wolfe decides to still not box.
unidentified
Ann Wolfe will break a bitch's face.
joe rogan
She might be 40 or whatever the fuck she is, but if Ann Wolfe decides to run through a training camp, tell you what, man, that is one chick that, as a dude, I would not want to get punched by.
She's ferocious.
brendan schaub
I'll slap a bitch.
eddie bravo
I don't care who Ronda fights, really.
I just want to see her fight.
I just want to see her fight.
Tell me you're not going to be interested and excited to see Holly Holm against Ronda.
I want to see it.
If she demolishes her in a minute, fuck, that's a great fight.
unidentified
I guess, man.
joe rogan
If that's your cup of tea...
eddie bravo
Look at Mike Tyson with...
joe rogan
Bruce Seldon.
eddie bravo
Bruce Seldon.
Frank Bruno.
tait fletcher
Trevor Burbix.
eddie bravo
All those guys.
brendan schaub
At least those guys were world class though, my man.
joe rogan
That's true.
brendan schaub
Ronda competing is like Usain Bolt going to the Special Olympics running track.
eddie bravo
They were world class against opposition that wasn't Mike Tyson.
You know what I mean?
Mike Tyson made all those guys.
They were really terrified in the ring.
He went right through them all.
He looks just like Ronda.
joe rogan
But they were legit world-class fighters.
eddie bravo
Bruce Seldon?
brendan schaub
Yes.
A lot of them were former world champs to get to that point.
joe rogan
Bruce Seldon was a legit world-class heavyweight.
eddie bravo
Henry Tillman?
brendan schaub
You're talking about Olympians?
joe rogan
Yeah, they were really good fighters, man.
The real problem with those guys is that they were fighting Tyson.
The real problem with Ronda is Ronda is like a Mike Tyson.
She's elite of the elite.
Katzingano's good.
eddie bravo
She's good.
Alexis Davis is good.
Those girls are good.
joe rogan
They're good.
She's great.
eddie bravo
Are the girls better than them out there?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
They're among the best, then.
This is what we got.
joe rogan
Well, they're amongst the best in...
See, if you look at...
There's some girls.
Like, I think Amanda Nunes has real potential.
She has real potential.
If you look at Klaudia.
Klaudia Gidea.
She's world-class.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Right?
Klaudia Gedalia is dangerous.
Ioana Jacek, world-class.
There's a few.
Cyborg, steroids or no steroids, you know, take away all that controversy, just go based on her performances, ferocious, terrifying, world-class, dangerous fighter.
That's four.
eddie bravo
What is she saying lately, Cyborg?
What's going on with her?
bryan callen
What's the latest shit?
joe rogan
Cyborg, whoever the fuck her manager is, she needs to fire that person.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
She needs to just lose weight, get on a scale, show, here I am, I make 135, Rhonda, that bell is my, you bitch.
That's it.
brendan schaub
But what about your idea?
I'm not gonna try and steal your idea.
What about Misha Tate, cyborg catchweight?
Why the fuck Misha's not screaming for this?
I have no idea.
joe rogan
You know what?
I've been thinking about that.
Fuck a catchweight.
If that chick wants to fight at 135, prove you can make 135. I've been saying this, but you guys jumped all over me.
Yeah, I thought about it.
And now I honeydicked my way up.
brendan schaub
You know what, 140's cool.
unidentified
I like that.
eddie bravo
I like Rousey Holm and Cyborg Misha on the same card.
brendan schaub
Yes, because the fans really don't know Cyborg.
They really don't know who she is.
And if she goes in there and mops Misha Tate, which I don't think she does, I think she loses to Misha.
Just saying.
joe rogan
She could easily lose to Misha at 135. I think she does.
brendan schaub
135 is a different animal for Cyborg.
joe rogan
Not only that, it's a different animal now because no IVs.
unidentified
Oh, and if you get caught with IV, two-year ban, homie.
joe rogan
Two-year ban.
Two-year ban if you use an IV to rehydrate.
unidentified
Whoa.
bryan callen
You did a podcast with the guy.
joe rogan
Jeff Nowitzki.
Who was that?
unidentified
You?
Nope.
bryan callen
Who was that?
joe rogan
You?
How dare all of you.
bryan callen
Why...
Did he talk about how you get...
eddie bravo
It was me, I'm sorry.
bryan callen
Did he address the fact that it's dangerous for the fighters?
joe rogan
Well, he said, there's actually some studies that show that it's more effective to rehydrate with water, with drinking it orally.
I've not looked into that.
brendan schaub
But he said not in extreme cases, though, Joe.
He goes, our athletes are extreme.
He goes, that's for the average person who's dehydrated.
Mouth orals better.
But for extreme cases, IV's better.
If you have a doctor's note, you can get it.
After that podcast, I'm a huge Jeff Nowitzki.
Huge fan.
I was like, damn, this dude is legit.
joe rogan
He's 100% legit.
brendan schaub
People are fucked.
joe rogan
Oh, he busted Lance Armstrong.
He busted, well, sort of busted Barry Bonds, because Barry Bonds got...
That was one thing we found out after the podcast.
He was recently acquitted on all charges.
They didn't catch Barry on anything.
Yeah, they wasted all that money.
He was making out some big message they were sending to the children.
I was like, alright, whatever with all that.
Let's not think about kids.
We're talking about adult professional athletes.
brendan schaub
They just wanted to screw Barry Bonds over.
joe rogan
Well, what they were doing was they were trying to prosecute.
What they do is they have a mandate.
Someone tells them to prosecute, and they have to prosecute.
What's up with that girl's shorts, by the way, on the left?
You don't like them?
This is like a combination of...
Like, tie shorts and, like, short shorts.
eddie bravo
She's got something under them, Joe.
brendan schaub
What?
joe rogan
Underwear?
eddie bravo
She's got, like, booty shorts under those.
aubrey marcus
What I never understood was why Congress cared about steroids.
That never made any sense to me at all.
joe rogan
Tremendous waste of money.
unidentified
Tax-based money.
eddie bravo
None of them are athletes.
joe rogan
And Nowitzki was very, uh...
Well, that's the funniest thing about the congressional thing, was listening to Joe Biden talk about how back when he was an athlete...
Bitch, please.
I always wondered if a guy was on something.
brendan schaub
Oh, I'm sure, Joe.
joe rogan
My God-given talent.
He's so gross.
Joe Biden's disgusting.
bryan callen
George Bush mentioned steroids in the State of the Union.
joe rogan
People always forget that Joe Biden's a plagiarist, by the way.
bryan callen
Yep, he sure is.
joe rogan
They forget that Joe Biden...
We used to do a Joe Biden night.
bryan callen
Cheered on his law school exam, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, well not just that.
He plagiarized Kennedy's speeches when he was running for president back in 88. When we were at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston, we used to do a Joe Biden night in the 80s, where comics would go up.
Like, I would do your material, you would do my material.
We'd do each other's shit.
We'd call it Joe Biden night.
eddie bravo
Now, how does someone like that, how does someone like that, and someone like Hillary Clinton, forget about the email stuff, but all the stuff she did with Bill Clinton with that Whitewater stuff?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's terrifying.
How about all that stuff?
eddie bravo
How are they still like candidates?
joe rogan
You need to read the book, The Strange Death of Vince Foster.
Vince Foster was one of the people that was involved in the Whitewater scandal.
Jesus Christ.
Shot himself in a park, okay?
Had the gun still in his hand, which never fucking happens.
Every single expert will tell you, when you shoot yourself in the head, your body goes, wah!
And that gun goes flying.
He's still got the gun in his hand.
No blood at the scene of the crime.
eddie bravo
It's a message.
joe rogan
His body had been moved.
100% his body had been moved.
unidentified
Conspiracy.
That's a message.
joe rogan
That ain't even a conspiracy.
eddie bravo
That's gangster.
That's what gangsters do.
They don't want to just kill a body and have them disappear.
They want to leave a message.
You're going to try to bust us?
We're coming after you.
Keep this shit out of court.
You and your family are dead.
brendan schaub
Makes sense.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo just went into fucking conspiracy mode.
brendan schaub
Here we go!
joe rogan
Beer, conspiracy mode.
Keep the weed under wraps, Jamie!
Under wraps!
eddie bravo
How about Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are both candidates for the presidency of the United States?
joe rogan
This is how much Eddie Bravo loves conspiracies.
eddie bravo
These criminals!
joe rogan
This girl's in full guard, and he's not even talking about jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Doesn't give a fuck.
eddie bravo
If she went up to Michigan draw, shut the fuck up.
unidentified
I'm pissed because I didn't get that joke.
aubrey marcus
I don't see why after that Ben Saunders fight, everybody's not doing that.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
I got a message today.
It was really interesting.
eddie bravo
It's the jiu-jitsu coaches of the MMA camps.
They decide what they're going to train in.
brendan schaub
What was the message, Joe?
eddie bravo
If they don't make that decision to stick that into training, let's work a little bit on this elbows from Mission Control.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look what she's trying to do here.
She's trying to wrap her leg and stick her foot underneath the armpit of Letourneau, who's on the bottom or on the top.
Dude, I wish she gave up on him, but look, she keeps driving.
brendan schaub
Oh, Triangle City!
eddie bravo
Oh, damn.
All she's got to do is squeeze her legs, leg curls, pull the head.
brendan schaub
She needs to control the head.
joe rogan
Grab the shin.
eddie bravo
It's just grab the head at this point.
joe rogan
Oh, but look at...
Laterno thinks she's safe by tucking her arm under like that.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
brendan schaub
Definitely not, though.
joe rogan
That shit doesn't work.
Especially like this.
Oh, you get the squeeze.
You'll get the squeeze.
eddie bravo
No, it's not going to happen.
brendan schaub
I wish in between rounds they'd have highlights.
joe rogan
It would already happen.
Oh, wow.
Nice.
Nice escape.
brendan schaub
I wish they'd show the previous fights.
Like, just a quick highlight in between rounds.
joe rogan
Laterno's a nasty striker, man.
She's got good technique.
You see the way she moves?
Very loose and relaxed.
Good, like, variation in her speed.
bryan callen
She counters well, too.
She just keeps her head down, chin down, just pow, pow!
joe rogan
I think, and I'm beginning to listen to Nick Curzon about this, I think a giant part of what holds fighters back is strength and conditioning.
I used to think that it's more important to work on skills than anything, and I think up to a certain point it is, but now I think what holds these people back is like Letourneau right now.
I see a slower fighter than I saw in the first round.
I see some significant slowing, and she's having a hard time executing.
unidentified
I agree.
brendan schaub
It depends on your skill level.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
It depends on your skill level.
You should focus more on strength condition and get in shape so you can show your skills for three rounds, 15 minutes.
joe rogan
In the first minute, two minutes of a fight, it's all about your skills.
Right.
But then as fights go on, it's all about how much conditioning do you have in the tank to use those skills.
brendan schaub
And nerves.
eddie bravo
It's all about...
How quickly you can recover and can your body recover multiple times?
brendan schaub
And you'd think at an elite level they would be able to go 25 minutes.
Most can.
eddie bravo
At a very high level most can.
They don't seem gassed, they seem a little...
joe rogan
Well they're slower.
brendan schaub
They're slower for sure.
joe rogan
But they're still like Dos Anjos.
When we saw Dos Anjos fight Pettis, that motherfucker kept that same pace for five rounds.
He was guns a-blazin' for five rounds.
brendan schaub
Dude, look at Demetrius Johnson against Ali Bagatinov.
Ali Bagatinov was on EPO! And he outworked that motherfucker.
aubrey marcus
TJ Dillashaw, same thing.
joe rogan
Yep, exactly.
Same thing.
He put a clinic on Burrell.
eddie bravo
You think TJ Dillashaw, Mighty Mouse would happen?
Can't happen?
joe rogan
I think that would be a great fight.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
It's only ten pounds.
Mighty Mouse has fought 135. He fought Dominic Cruz.
brendan schaub
He lost to Dominic Cruz.
joe rogan
Yep.
I think that T.J. Dillshaw is one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world.
I think that fight with Hennon Burrell was like a wake-up call to everybody.
He beat the fucking shit out of Hennon Burrell.
What's next for T.J.? He beat the fucking shit out of him.
Like he owned him from the moment.
brendan schaub
It wasn't even a fight, really.
joe rogan
It wasn't a fight.
It was a clinic.
brendan schaub
What's next with TJ? Dominic Cruz?
joe rogan
Dominic Cruz.
brendan schaub
Cruz's knee doesn't fall off.
joe rogan
Everything.
brendan schaub
His knee, like...
joe rogan
He breaks his hands all the time.
brendan schaub
So you can't count on that.
I'd love to see that fight.
eddie bravo
That's going to be a huge fight.
joe rogan
And Dominic is natural.
He's all natural.
And he's in his 30s.
At 135 pounds, traditionally, especially in boxing, once you hit the 30s...
brendan schaub
Tough, man.
NFL running backs, too.
joe rogan
You rely on speed and reflexes more than anybody.
Because they're so fast.
You look at Mighty Mouse and Dodson.
Holy shit, that's going to be a blur.
That fight's going to be...
unidentified
Dodson is a legit threat, though.
joe rogan
He's a legit threat.
Dodson can knock out anybody.
He knocked out TJ. People don't forget about that.
brendan schaub
On The Ultimate Fighter.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he did.
He beat the shit out of TJ. He did.
brendan schaub
Different TJ for sure.
joe rogan
Totally different TJ. There's TJ pre and post bang.
True.
brendan schaub
It's tough, man, because no one loves fighting more than us, right?
But that frickin' Dotson vs.
Johnson fight, it's a tough sell, man.
Like, I'm not like, ooh, I can't fucking wait to see them throw down.
It's different.
And those guys are more talented than anyone.
joe rogan
It's because you're a sizist.
brendan schaub
You might be right.
aubrey marcus
You're a sizist!
brendan schaub
Hey, me and the entire world then, apparently.
unidentified
No problem.
brendan schaub
Because he's not selling pay-per-views.
joe rogan
Do we got another round of this?
eddie bravo
Are his shows among the worst?
unidentified
You're a sizist.
joe rogan
Like, real bad?
brendan schaub
Not good.
It's tough, man.
He's the most talented guy in the UFC. It's just people, it's hard for people to jump on board on a small guy.
Like, he got denied access to another club.
unidentified
He's the frickin' multi-time world champion of the UFC. They thought he was 15?
aubrey marcus
They had a height limit?
brendan schaub
I don't know what they had.
joe rogan
No, there was just a lot of people that didn't know who he was.
You know those lines in Vegas?
Nobody gets in those fucking lines.
eddie bravo
Oh, they didn't recognize him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they didn't recognize him.
joe rogan
Yeah, those lines are bullshit.
brendan schaub
It's a bummer, man.
Because he's so talented.
aubrey marcus
He needs a couple more good fights like Dodson.
brendan schaub
No, he needs an arch-rifle.
He needs someone to talk about.
He needs a Conor McGregor, a 125. Pearson Felder?
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Great fight.
eddie bravo
Felder, I'm a huge fan of that dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a beast.
eddie bravo
Holy fuck.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's fun to watch.
eddie bravo
That guy...
He throws strikes from everywhere.
joe rogan
Especially after that Barboza fight.
eddie bravo
God damn.
unidentified
The fact that he went the distance with him.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
He went the distance with him and Barboza was kicking the shit out of his body.
brendan schaub
That switch kick.
joe rogan
That switch kick is the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life.
unidentified
Ever.
brendan schaub
Remember Jamie Varner was talking about how before, and he beat him, but before that he was the most scared he's ever been before a fight?
eddie bravo
That's a scary fight.
brendan schaub
Against Barboza?
eddie bravo
When Joe Silva calls him and said, you want Barboza?
brendan schaub
There's a couple guys where you get that call and you're like, oh shit, I guess I'll take it.
joe rogan
Think about that Terry Edom fight with that wheel kick to the head, first wheel kick KO in the UFC. And then you gotta fight him next?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Jesus.
joe rogan
His kicks, he's the only guy to ever stop two fighters with leg kicks.
brendan schaub
He's nasty, man.
joe rogan
Mike Lulo and Rafael Oliveira, both with leg kicks.
brendan schaub
I'm not going to rat the guy out, but super high-level guy.
Super high-level guy.
My manager goes, Brendan, I want you in on this call.
This is the best part of my job.
Watch this, bro.
Just got this huge fight announcement.
He's texting Joe Silva.
Watch this.
We're in a hotel.
Calls him on speed dial.
He goes, my man!
Got a fight for you.
eddie bravo
Who said this?
brendan schaub
Alexander Gustafson.
September whatever.
And he's all, wait, wait.
And the guy goes...
Ah, shit, really?
He goes, yeah, man.
He goes, ah, fuck.
Well, let's get this paper.
Hangs up the phone.
My manager's all, ah, fuck, man.
Your boy's gonna lose for sure.
Let's get this paper.
He goes, ah.
unidentified
Let's get this paper.
brendan schaub
His first reaction goes, ah, fuck.
bryan callen
How do I solve that?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
How do I solve that?
brendan schaub
Can't tell you, man.
I'm not gonna sell the guy out.
joe rogan
Big, long, tall motherfucker.
eddie bravo
And how long ago was this?
bryan callen
It was TJ, before they had weight classes.
brendan schaub
It was TJ Dillashaw.
It was so funny, man.
bryan callen
He was in Japan.
brendan schaub
He was so heartbroken.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's the thing about the UFC and MMA in general.
Like, there's a lot of fighters that they jump into the UFC, and they're starting to have some success.
Well, there's a very short climb until you're in world-class territory, and if you beat one of those motherfuckers...
brendan schaub
Off to the races!
B-shop style!
joe rogan
You're in...
brendan schaub
B-shop stop.
I thought Chris Tush's shirt and they're like, oh cool, here's Gonzaga.
I was like, holy fuck, man.
Easy, bro.
I have five fights.
bryan callen
What's up, Brad?
Who's that?
joe rogan
Stanley Coppin.
unidentified
Brad!
joe rogan
Dallas, Tampa.
brendan schaub
Excuse me, sir, is that an affliction shirt?
bryan callen
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
He's an hockey player, man.
bryan callen
I don't know anything about it.
God damn it.
joe rogan
It's about ice and there's a black puck, I think they call it.
You gotta get it in the net and when they do it, you can go crazy.
tait fletcher
And live, when you see it live, it's incredible.
brendan schaub
This is a good fight, man.
This is a dope fight.
bryan callen
Oliver, Aubin Mercier is amazing.
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
Tony Simms is from Denver.
He's older.
He's been boxing since he was like six.
He got in the UFC super late, man.
This is his second short fight in a row.
I'm telling you, this kid is a monster.
Tough fight for him, though, either way.
joe rogan
Hey, give me one of them beers there, Mr. Callum.
bryan callen
Yeah, sure.
brendan schaub
I want mine a little wobbly pop, Callum.
bryan callen
You'll hear me going, Olivier.
joe rogan
I'm excited about this main event, man.
brendan schaub
Eddie, we got the bet on the main event or what, bro?
unidentified
You honeydicked me.
brendan schaub
That's illegal.
No, we did co-main event.
I got Neil Magny.
You got Eric Silva, remember?
eddie bravo
But you honeydicked me, man.
brendan schaub
Doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Hold on.
The people listening to this don't know what we're talking about.
Because we had this discussion before the podcast.
But Brendan Schaub sent me a photo.
And I'm going to take this photo.
And I'm going to...
I'll show it to you guys.
But this is the difference.
You can find this photo online.
This is the difference between Eric Silva...
A while ago and Eric Silva now.
A fan said that to me.
eddie bravo
Honeydicking should be like steroids.
You know what I mean?
That shit should be bad.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Look at the photo on the top.
That's him now.
Look at the photo on the bottom.
eddie bravo
Oh, I got honeydicked.
brendan schaub
No, you got Eric Silva, bro.
Are you suggesting?
bryan callen
Can I see that, please?
joe rogan
This is the suggestion.
unidentified
Oh, no!
eddie bravo
Oh, God, no!
bryan callen
That was quick, though.
joe rogan
That was beer and a laptop.
I've just been thinking about getting a new laptop.
I'm really thinking.
eddie bravo
Oh, no, that's $1,500.
joe rogan
What'd you say, Jamie?
Anyway, so the suggestion is that it's possible that Eric Silva may or may not have been...
Oh, looks like I got lucky here.
bryan callen
Good Lord, what a difference.
joe rogan
It only got on my screen.
unidentified
God, all I know is I'm getting on the old TRT. I hate to tell you you're still not going to look like that.
bryan callen
You don't know.
I won't have his hair, I'll tell you that much.
joe rogan
You're already 80. You should have done that in the 60s.
bryan callen
Guys, I've been taking creatine.
That's why I look thicker.
brendan schaub
He has been taking creatine.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Well that stuff sort of works.
It does.
It makes your face fat.
bryan callen
It does.
brendan schaub
Adds water weight for sure.
joe rogan
I made my face fat.
eddie bravo
That's what I was telling him.
joe rogan
I was like, why is my face fat?
I gained five pounds of a face.
bryan callen
That is a remarkable difference.
I guess he's just not working at it as hard.
joe rogan
Yeah, he changed his diet.
He's eating more fatty foods.
brendan schaub
Maybe more acai or some shit.
bryan callen
More acai?
brendan schaub
Either way, Eddie, you can't back out now, brother.
I got Neil Magny, he took the fight on two-week notice.
joe rogan
I think Eddie is allowed to back off before the fight actually starts.
You know what, I'm not gonna back off.
eddie bravo
Even with your steroids, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna go with the honeydicken.
joe rogan
Notice how he said your steroids?
brendan schaub
Like I'm the dealer or something.
eddie bravo
We'll do it.
It's on.
joe rogan
Brian, how do you feel about this?
bryan callen
I'm excited.
brendan schaub
You know Eric Silva's the favorite.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but he looks soft now.
brendan schaub
He's still a cutie pie.
eddie bravo
He already had a problem with cardio, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
He's a monster that first round.
joe rogan
He's a ferocious guy, and he expends a lot of energy.
When you fight a guy like Matt Brown, that shit is not recommended.
eddie bravo
Who would you take if you had to bet?
joe rogan
The last thing you want to do is be drained.
eddie bravo
If you had to bet, who would you take right now?
joe rogan
I like Magny.
I like Magny in that fight because I think Magny is more consistent, and Magny has great endurance, and Magny's only problem that is shown inside the octagon at all is dealing with Damian motherfucking Maia, who is a constrictor.
He's a constrictor.
That's like you're a chained-up sheep.
And this fucking giant anaconda's wrapping its body around you and squeezing it tight.
brendan schaub
Well, who do you have in the main event, Eddie?
eddie bravo
I had Holloway, but you didn't want...
brendan schaub
Me, too.
No, I got Holloway, too.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
That guy's a beast.
joe rogan
Okay, I disagree.
I got Oliveira.
eddie bravo
You got $1,000?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do have $1,000.
eddie bravo
Well, why don't you bet Brian Kelly?
joe rogan
I'm fairly wealthy.
bryan callen
I'll take the bet just to make the...
joe rogan
I don't want to take a thousand dollars from a good friend, but I'll bet you 20 bucks just so I could win.
bryan callen
All right, what are we betting?
joe rogan
Why can't we do 20 dollars?
Well, how about we get out of here and you pay?
brendan schaub
Yeah, let's do dinner.
bryan callen
That's a good call.
I've got to make sure I can do that.
joe rogan
We go get some steak.
We've got to make sure.
Isn't that gross?
We're married.
We have kids.
bryan callen
This is bullshit.
joe rogan
This is bullshit.
We're not even masters of our own domain.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
I gotta see if I can.
unidentified
Makes me sick.
joe rogan
I gotta see if I can do what I want to do.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
Because my boss, I have to check in with the boss.
bryan callen
Well, she's so awesome.
She lets me do everything, so, you know.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no, I get that.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
You're going to dinner, though, huh?
joe rogan
Except having dinner.
bryan callen
On Sundays, you kinda gotta...
joe rogan
I understand.
bryan callen
...put in your time.
joe rogan
Alright, so make it 20 bucks.
bryan callen
Nah, we'll go to dinner.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Alright.
bryan callen
I got bullied into dinner.
I have to pay now.
joe rogan
But don't get me wrong, Max Holloway can win, and I would not be surprised.
He's the favorite.
Is he?
brendan schaub
He's the favorite.
bryan callen
Who am I taking?
joe rogan
See, I disagree with that.
brendan schaub
It's a close fight.
joe rogan
I think it's a close fight.
This is my take on it.
I think that Oliveira is a little more tactical, both standing up and on the ground.
brendan schaub
Better on the ground, I agree.
eddie bravo
I'll switch it up.
I'll take Oliveira.
joe rogan
Even standing up.
eddie bravo
You want to switch up the bet?
Switch it up.
Double or nothing, I'll forget about the Eric Silva.
brendan schaub
Well, that one's fun to bet on, too.
Well, let's see how...
Well, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
Isn't Oliveira, like, kind of...
Wouldn't he be kind of flubby, too?
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Flubby?
eddie bravo
Yeah, Oliveira, no?
What's flubby?
unidentified
Basically...
brendan schaub
He's not going to look the same, you're saying?
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
Nah, he's a really skinny guy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's thin.
unidentified
Yeah, he doesn't look like a Reuter at all.
joe rogan
He actually dropped down from 55 to 45. Yeah, he's shredded always.
Yeah, I don't think he's a steroid user.
eddie bravo
You want to switch it up?
You take Holloway?
brendan schaub
Well, let's see after the Neil Magnet fight.
We'll do double or nothing, and I'll stick with Holloway.
joe rogan
Well, let's, before we, before I ask you this question, before I ask you this question, before I ask you this question, let's think about the possibility of the MMA media blowing us out of proportion, because they always do.
TMZ? What, what, it is TMZ now, right?
brendan schaub
Straight up TMZ. Yahoo!
joe rogan
The last fight companion we had had like seven different articles.
eddie bravo
Dude.
joe rogan
Us drunk and stoned, talking shit.
brendan schaub
I snapshot it, sent it to the rogue and went, oh shit.
bryan callen
It just said fuck.
joe rogan
Now here's the question.
What percentage of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighters or Brazilian MMA fighters you think are on steroids?
If you had a guess.
bryan callen
Freezing.
unidentified
Don't say it.
brendan schaub
Look at that face.
No, you know what?
I don't want to just single out Brazilians.
I think a majority of the guys are.
joe rogan
A majority.
brendan schaub
But a lot of the Brazilians.
joe rogan
So you think it's 90% of all the MMA fighters are on steroids?
unidentified
Correct.
eddie bravo
What Brazilians do you think are not on steroids?
bryan callen
That's a good question.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
eddie bravo
Which ones are not?
Nogueira for sure, right?
Nogueira.
He's not.
bryan callen
Brandon, why are your eyes so wide?
Brandon, why do you look like you've seen a ghost?
eddie bravo
Little Nog?
joe rogan
Why do you look like a fighting jeep?
eddie bravo
Come on.
joe rogan
Let's not do this.
brendan schaub
Eddie gets me in trouble, man.
How do you think we knew the Ronda thing last time?
eddie bravo
No, it wasn't me.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it was you.
eddie bravo
I apologize.
I feel so bad.
No, seriously, I feel really, really bad for that.
aubrey marcus
The understated thing about the steroids.
bryan callen
Was Tate's beard on steroids?
aubrey marcus
The understated thing about the steroids is the mental aspect.
These fighters aren't coming out as aggressive.
Silva's a destroyer normally, but let's say he was on TRT. What's he going to be now?
Is he going to be a little more passive?
brendan schaub
Completely different game.
aubrey marcus
It's not just the body, it's the mind.
People rely on that testosterone for aggression.
tait fletcher
What we see when everybody came from Pride.
Pride is the Killers were like, that's the better show than the UFC athletes.
They all came and got beat up by guys that weren't top-tier guys in the UFC. Every one of those Pride athletes.
And that's all due to drugs.
And that's not abilities or strength, even.
I think it's exactly what Aubrey's saying.
They're like, who am I without this?
joe rogan
Not only that, these guys weren't doing it properly, I'm sure.
They didn't take enough time to recover and get their natural test level, so they were probably compromised.
So not only were they not on steroids, they were compromised.
Because when you look at some of those guys in Pride, we don't need to name names.
unidentified
It's awesome.
joe rogan
We don't need to name names.
But when they came over, they looked physically different.
They looked physically different.
You know?
I mean, look at Krokop.
There's a perfect advantage.
Example, Krokop was a goddamn destroyer.
I mean, you look at some of the fights that he had, the wear and tear, there's a lot going on, but he just was a different guy when he came to.
aubrey marcus
You could probably look at the amount of high kicks he threw before and after, and it's just he wasn't aggressive enough when he came back.
He used to throw that left kick all the time.
It was just like...
brendan schaub
Still fucking him.
tait fletcher
1FC? Do they care about steroids?
joe rogan
1FC? Yeah, they want you on them.
unidentified
For sure?
eddie bravo
1FC? Yeah.
aubrey marcus
It helps soccer kicks to the face.
joe rogan
Steroids are not.
brendan schaub
Steroids are not.
Broke out fucked me up.
joe rogan
When is Roger fighting?
aubrey marcus
Coming up soon, I think.
September 1st, maybe even.
joe rogan
He looks good in training.
Look at some of the videos of him hitting pads.
eddie bravo
I hung out with him in Thailand.
joe rogan
It was a trip.
aubrey marcus
He was doing good as a coach.
eddie bravo
It was a trip.
He had fun, man.
Right when I got to Thailand, right when I landed, the thing that I tripped out on the most is everybody.
brendan schaub
I'm in a taxi, and we're getting driven to Tiger Muay Thai, and everybody's on little scooters.
eddie bravo
Like four people per scooter, kids, they're holding their kids and everyone's riding scooters.
And I thought, how insane and scary is this?
I end up at Roger Huerta's house a couple nights later.
We're hanging out, chilling, and there's like four of us and they said, let's go to the party town down the street.
You know, it's like 45 minutes away.
We're like, okay, let's go.
I'm like, how are we getting there?
They go, we're getting on scooters.
So I drove, Roger Werther drove me in a scooter, and I'm sitting behind him in a scooter 45 minutes through the hills.
brendan schaub
Come on, Tony Sims.
joe rogan
This fight is starting right now.
Auburn Mercier and Sims.
brendan schaub
Powerful Tony Sims.
joe rogan
Four minutes, 53 seconds right now.
bryan callen
Allez, Olivier!
Frappez, frappez très fort!
joe rogan
Abol Mercier is friends with the guys at Joe Beef in Montreal, that restaurant that we always eat at.
He's a great guy.
bryan callen
Le boeuf, le boeuf.
aubrey marcus
He's got that horse meat in him.
joe rogan
Allez, allez!
Like, literally, they eat horse meat.
bryan callen
Allez, mon ami!
brendan schaub
Dude, I'm telling you, Tony Simms' boxing is fucking nasty.
bryan callen
His boxing is filthy.
I'm doing French.
joe rogan
You need to have earphones on so you hear how retarded you sound.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I'm doing French, bro.
I'm helping the French people.
joe rogan
You're French fans.
eddie bravo
Is there meat you could eat that can get you the similar effects as steroids?
unidentified
No.
If you just eat nothing but rhino meat or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Don't spread those rumors.
Asians will pick up on it and there'll be no rhino blood.
bryan callen
Bison testicle.
eddie bravo
There's got to be something I could eat.
bryan callen
Eat a shitload of raw bison testicle.
eddie bravo
That they can't ban.
Oh, you can't eat moose anymore, because it turns out moose shrinks your bones.
aubrey marcus
There's some stuff that has IGF-1 in it, you know, that you can get, but like really good deer antler will have IGF-1 in it.
joe rogan
How about you how about you there's a guy cows that are stuffed with steroids In the meat Did that thing with the antlers there's a guy who ran an elk farm up in Alberta and He got an elk farm just for the deer antler shit It would take the velvet velvet And the velvet, and the velvet has IGF-1.
You spray it in your mouth, and it gives you a benefit, like, similar to taking growth hormone.
The market dried up, like, instantaneously.
Somehow or another, I don't know what it was.
Whether it became too easy to get real growth hormone, or people just stopped using it.
I don't know what the fuck happened, but this guy's stuck with a bunch of elk on his land.
Every now and then he wanders out there and shoots one and eats it.
Spent a million bucks.
He's got these fenced-in elk.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's just not the most efficient way to do it.
unidentified
Boxing doesn't help you in this position.
aubrey marcus
IGF-1 isn't legal anyways, and so, like, what's the point?
joe rogan
Is it legal to take that, if you take that deer antler shit, you can test positive?
aubrey marcus
So, the trick is, is that if you test it and show that it has IGF-1, then it's not illegal.
So, you have to do it untested, and then you don't know whether it's got it in there or not.
So, it's like this weird cat mouth thing.
joe rogan
I'm confused.
aubrey marcus
Well, you're not really allowed to sell IGF-1 over the counter, right?
So if you standardize the elk antler to make sure that it has IGF-1, then it's not legal, as far as I understand when I looked into it.
joe rogan
So even though it's still just a natural product that contains...
IGF-1, so it's illegal no matter what.
aubrey marcus
To sell as a dietary supplement.
I mean, you could sell it, but it's not approved as a dietary supplement.
joe rogan
So it would be illegal, but you wouldn't test for it.
aubrey marcus
So you could sell antler, but you don't test for it.
But then the consumer doesn't know if it's bullshit antler.
eddie bravo
You can't say anything.
You just gotta sell it.
bryan callen
Does it have to be new antler, like the velvet on the new antler or something?
joe rogan
Well, velvet is when they grow.
It only happens when they grow.
Unless you have a female that grows antlers, which is very rare.
And sometimes they stay in velvet.
unidentified
How the fuck did someone find that out?
brendan schaub
How did they figure there's IGF-1 in the antlers?
What kind of crazy fuck figured that out?
joe rogan
I don't know.
aubrey marcus
Some fucking country axe-swinging redneck was just eating antlers.
eddie bravo
And just shredded.
joe rogan
It's like, shit!
aubrey marcus
This dick was just nine feet.
joe rogan
My knee feel better.
bryan callen
IGF is insulin growth factor one.
Is that what that is?
brendan schaub
Isn't it what HGH converts to in the body?
Is that correct or no?
aubrey marcus
I'd have to do a little research and go deeper on that.
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
A lot of guys were taking that, though.
A lot of football players were taking that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, a ton of football players.
bryan callen
Deer Antler?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's real popular stuff.
bryan callen
I know a tennis pro does it.
And I was like, oh, I don't know.
joe rogan
And what did he say?
bryan callen
He swears by it.
He can play all day.
brendan schaub
Do they test in tennis?
bryan callen
He swears by goji berries and deer antler.
joe rogan
Goji berries are very high in antioxidants.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Do they test in tennis?
joe rogan
For sure, yeah, definitely.
That's why they tried to test, it was Venus or Serena.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
She ran into her fucking safe, she had a safe house, safe room in her house in case her house got home invaded.
She ran into her safe room and called the cops on the fucking drug testers.
bryan callen
Really?
brendan schaub
Because she didn't want to get tested?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Dude, after talking to Nowitzki and talking to the two guys that I've talked to, what's his face, from Balco, Victor Conte and Nowitzki, I am convinced that there's just a giant percentage of professional athletes that are on steroids and You need to talk to them to figure that out, Joe.
You really need to find out what the methods are.
They have testosterone now that they're making with animals.
It's no longer with yams.
So now the carbon isotope test that they used to catch people that were taking plant-based testosterone doesn't work anymore.
So now this guy's going to be on this animal-based testosterone.
bryan callen
So explain to me how they get...
I mean, I can't believe they get testosterone from yams.
joe rogan
There's no idea.
You should probably pull out your phone and Google it and explain it to us all.
brendan schaub
And there's micro-dosing now, right?
Your boy was talking about that.
joe rogan
They're doing four-hour doses, a dose that only stays in your system for four hours.
Yeah, that's like the Alex Rodriguez shit.
He was taking gummy bears.
Testosterone gummy bears.
unidentified
Damn.
aubrey marcus
It's not going to be long until they can clone your pituitary and just have it pumping out your own hormones.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I want some more from my spare pituitary over there.
joe rogan
Yeah, people get a second pituitary gland stalled in their head.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Why'd your head get wider?
brendan schaub
Shut up!
aubrey marcus
Just put one in the taint.
Just right in the taint.
bryan callen
Right in the taint.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get your spleen removed, replace it with a pituitary gland.
unidentified
Totally.
bryan callen
Did he say anything about the long-term effects?
It doesn't seem like there's any evidence that microdosing testosterone is bad for you.
joe rogan
Your body has testosterone in it.
It's not a foreign substance.
Your body knows what to do with it.
The problem with things that your body doesn't know what to do with is toxicity, liver toxicity.
You know, there's a lot of issues with all sorts of different substances like EPO that cause strokes.
Unnatural things.
Like, when you take an EPO, your body's producing way more fucking red blood cells than it's supposed to.
Your blood's like sludge.
All sorts of issues with that.
But testosterone?
Your body knows what to do with it.
It's in there naturally.
brendan schaub
EPO, though, they're talking about the bike riders wake up in the middle of the night because their blood's so thick.
joe rogan
Yeah, I told you this.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they would wake up and ride their bike in the middle of the night.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a buddy of ours.
brendan schaub
How crazy is that?
bryan callen
Because they had to get rid of the blood cells?
What do you mean?
brendan schaub
The blood's so thick.
joe rogan
The blood's so thick you have to wear yourself out and you have to do workouts and drink a lot of water in the middle of the night.
They would set their alarm so they'd get up every few hours and work out.
bryan callen
I heard a heart surgeon talk about one of the easiest things you can do.
There are some studies that suggest that giving blood once a year actually is the best thing you can do to avoid stroke.
And the reason women, they think, have less stroke and less heart disease, it might be because they bleed once a month.
So what happens is you, I guess, your blood actually literally gets thinner.
aubrey marcus
Man, that was some rationale for leeches back in the day.
bryan callen
Well, no, but I mean, in fact, as this heart surgeon was talking about it, it was really fascinating.
He goes, you know what you can do to increase your, I guess, lower your cholesterol and especially give blood?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Goddammit.
brendan schaub
Goddammit, Tony.
joe rogan
How about Mercier?
Stacked.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he looks very strong.
joe rogan
Very strong.
brendan schaub
Powerful Easter bowling in the corner there.
Yeah, Elliott, Christian Allen.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just having a hard time keeping this guy off of him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man, he's just all over him.
He wants nothing in the stand-up game with him.
He's just pinning him and taking him down.
joe rogan
Smart.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's smart, though.
bryan callen
There's my boyfriend, Christian Allen.
joe rogan
It's gonna be weird when they come up with all these fucking genetic manipulations that they're working on right now.
They think China's already got myostatin inhibitors in place for their athletes.
brendan schaub
Jesus, man.
unidentified
Seriously?
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, they think they're already experimenting on it.
They got someone locked up in a mountain somewhere and they got some fucking dude who's got triple muscle and is gonna live to be 190. That's awesome.
brendan schaub
That's awesome, by the way.
joe rogan
I can't wait.
That's what happened to those mice when they ran those tests on those myostatin inhibitors in mice.
The mice became superhuman, or super mice.
They got all this muscle on them, and they lived longer.
bryan callen
And they don't degenerate.
brendan schaub
Sign me up.
bryan callen
So their muscle is like double muscles.
brendan schaub
Sign me up right now.
aubrey marcus
They'll take it right now.
Hey, look at this.
joe rogan
Sim's turning around.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
He's about to get taken down again.
How about a guillotine?
joe rogan
How about a guillotine?
A little wider there, fella.
A little wider with that stance, please.
aubrey marcus
There'll be a time when we choose bodies like cars.
brendan schaub
That's going to be a bummer.
aubrey marcus
We just insert consciousness into whatever body we want.
brendan schaub
Every girl's going to look the same.
joe rogan
There's going to be designer cars.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, they'll always switch it up, though, you know?
They'll come out with a new model, and that'll be hot for a while.
brendan schaub
What else can you do?
eddie bravo
It's not going to matter.
How long, 500 years, where they could pull your consciousness out and put it into Tate's body?
How long, 500 years?
joe rogan
Well, we're going to be able to have chips.
eddie bravo
Less than that?
joe rogan
We're going to be able to have chips, and you're going to be able to live your life, and then give me a chip at the end of the day, and I'm like, what'd you do today?
You're like, watch it.
aubrey marcus
Do it.
joe rogan
Plug it into me, and I'll live the life of Eddie Bravo for a day.
brendan schaub
I'm like, bro, check out this chick I hooked up with.
Play this.
You should have watched it.
eddie bravo
You can sell your dreams, you know what I mean?
Record your dreams, sell them, boom.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of weird shit going on in the next 100, 200 years.
tait fletcher
There's one thing though with that novelty of like being able to choose your body or whatever it is, it's like one of the things I think that people appreciate, it's like, is hard work.
Is people meriting what it is and like if there's no merit to it, what's the value of it?
brendan schaub
I need more, Kate!
aubrey marcus
Forging character.
tait fletcher
That's old school, Kate.
bryan callen
That's a spiritual crisis in a way.
tait fletcher
I mean, it's a thing because like outside of the physical realm, there's a whole entire other conversation to have with that.
At what time do we get tired of the novelty for something with substance?
unidentified
Right.
bryan callen
Our entire paradigm is built on that, on struggle.
joe rogan
Yeah, the paradigm is going to shift.
eddie bravo
Doesn't substance come from who you are, though?
Not your body, right?
unidentified
If you could be a 12-year-old boy right now, would you be?
joe rogan
What if you identify as a 12-year-old boy?
Can you still get into Chuck E. Cheese?
You can identify as anybody now.
You can identify as black.
They caught a second guy pretending to be black.
aubrey marcus
Did you see that guy who identified as being an amputee and thought that's what he was and then he cut off his arm?
His hand didn't feel normal to him.
eddie bravo
You saw that on HBO, right?
aubrey marcus
I did see that.
bryan callen
It's called mental illness.
tait fletcher
It also flies in the face of all this stuff about like, oh, we're all born equal.
No, we're not.
There's some different shit out there.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
It's stupid to say that we're born equal.
It's nonsense.
brendan schaub
No, we don't all start at the same starting line.
joe rogan
Gender is a social construct, man.
It's a social construct.
bryan callen
No, it's not.
joe rogan
No, we're all different as fuck.
There's a broad spectrum of human beings.
And some of us have hands, and some of us don't want hands.
brendan schaub
Well, a lot of it, like the amputee you're talking about, a lot of it's mental disease, right?
So what do you do with those guys?
Like I was talking with Brian, how about child molesters?
Yes, that's what I was going to say to you.
They're mentally fucked up, man.
The subway guy.
You're going to get a footlong, son.
You're going to get a footlong now in jail.
joe rogan
Please don't say that again.
Jared, the subway guy?
That was the cover of New York Daily News.
brendan schaub
Was it really?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
Goddamn it.
bryan callen
There was what?
joe rogan
Cover of New York Daily News.
Expect a footlong in jail.
Is that true?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I think...
brendan schaub
He's super screwed.
joe rogan
He's super screwed.
But there was an article recently that was talking about people that have a natural, like, inclination towards pedophilia.
And that it's something that is hardwired into their brain.
And they were trying to make this argument along those same lines as someone being transgender.
And I was like, whoa, this is a fucking very tricky argument.
bryan callen
It is.
joe rogan
Because if you start giving people the green light to be pedophiles in any way, shape, or form, there's a lot of people going to jump on that.
bryan callen
That's not the debate.
No, that's not the debate.
joe rogan
No, it's not the debate.
I'm not saying it's a debate.
I'm talking about the science behind it.
The science behind it is...
bryan callen
It raises questions that they were born.
joe rogan
Look, there's no science behind transgender, either.
It's a social issue, right?
There's no science where people are saying people are absolutely born a woman trapped in a man's body, but socially we are all accepting that now.
bryan callen
The bigger question becomes this.
If you can prove that it's neurological, then what it classifies as is disability.
Now, we all agree we don't want those people near children, but the question becomes twofold.
All of us, before punishment, the most important thing is that they don't molest children.
That's what we want to stop them from doing.
So the question becomes, do you give them safe haven to talk about it, go get help, figure out how to cure it, whatever it might be?
joe rogan
You have to trust them deeply.
You have to trust them deeply to not do anything about it, not to act on their urges.
It's like trusting a guy who lives in an island of hot chicks to not fuck.
bryan callen
No, no, you keep them very far away from children.
At this point, that means jail.
joe rogan
But how do you do that?
So are you going to take them in jail if they have a certain gene, or are you going to wait until they act?
bryan callen
That's the question.
So most important is if they do find it's neurological, maybe there's a way to cure that or block the gene eventually.
joe rogan
But before that...
aubrey marcus
I don't think it's a genetic thing.
bryan callen
Well, what they find is it might very well be...
Most pedophiles, in a strange way, are left-handed.
Why?
We don't know.
But for the most part, there is a lot of evidence that suggests it could be neurological.
unidentified
It's not something in their childhood?
bryan callen
Maybe, in some cases.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of different reasons.
brendan schaub
There's a lot that goes into it, man.
bryan callen
But as we learn more about brain science, you're just finding more and more that sometimes this is a form of, quote-unquote, brain damage or mental illness or whatever.
joe rogan
Well, the brain doesn't come out perfect every time.
No.
Sims is on top here, landing some fucking hammers, man.
These are legit shots.
brendan schaub
Big punches.
joe rogan
He hits hard, man.
He hits fucking hard in close quarters.
That's one thing about strikers.
You see that there's a big difference in what they can generate, the amount of power they can in short distances with ground and pound.
You see that with Krokop in that Gonzaga fight?
brendan schaub
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Those elbows inside the guard?
It's because Krokop is a legit striker.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
And you're seeing this here with Sims.
brendan schaub
In close quarters.
joe rogan
He's fucking Mercier up.
tait fletcher
The same with Tony Ferguson or little John Dodson, man.
They generate power in, like, inches.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they make it count.
joe rogan
Oh, speaking of which, Ferguson's gonna fight Khabib.
brendan schaub
That's a fight.
unidentified
Khabib.
brendan schaub
That is a motherfucking fight.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I do not know, but I love it.
unidentified
I love that fight.
brendan schaub
I also love that fight.
joe rogan
That's a great, especially when you see what Ferguson's been fucking doing to people lately.
brendan schaub
It's going to be interesting to see Nygamurdov because he's been hurt for a grip.
Nygamurdov.
unidentified
What did you call me?
Khabib.
joe rogan
Khabib Nygamurdov.
brendan schaub
It's going to be interesting to see him because he had so much time off.
He's been hurt.
joe rogan
And his knee's jacked.
brendan schaub
It's a tough fight.
joe rogan
I don't think his knee's 100%.
I don't think it can be.
brendan schaub
It's a tough fight.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh boy.
bryan callen
Oh boy.
eddie bravo
It's a hap.
bryan callen
Oh boy.
Eddie, has he got it?
Eddie?
joe rogan
No.
He's trying.
brendan schaub
He doesn't seem to be struggling.
joe rogan
He's sideways here.
brendan schaub
Triangle?
joe rogan
Come on, it's right there.
bryan callen
Triangle!
Triangle!
joe rogan
You know, when a guy goes against a guy who's just better than him at Jiu Jitsu, there's a certain amount of recognition that the guy's better and you don't try for certain shit.
tait fletcher
Like you get big brothered a little bit or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Almost too much respect.
joe rogan
But then you go for a sub and you're like, fuck, I'm not really going to get this.
brendan schaub
You don't believe in it.
joe rogan
Ultimate Fighter, September 9th, Aldo and my boy, Uriah Faber.
Or McGregor, rather.
I don't know about the Ultimate Fighter format.
I don't know about that format.
brendan schaub
Well, they're banking on Conor bringing the views now, right?
Like, they're doing whatever they can to get the views back up.
I don't know, man.
You just gotta switch it up.
joe rogan
If I was Conor, I wouldn't be into doing it.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
I think it hurts his brand.
aubrey marcus
Does that mean he's gonna fight Uriah?
joe rogan
No.
It could possibly happen.
Listen, let me tell you something right now.
If Aldo gets hurt again, they easily could have that fight.
They easily could have Uriah Faber vs.
bryan callen
Conor.
aubrey marcus
Just super fight style.
joe rogan
Easily.
brendan schaub
It's a great backup, for sure, if Aldo gets hurt.
joe rogan
Especially if they can somehow generate some respectable ratings.
bryan callen
How is Aldo doing, dude?
Does anybody know?
joe rogan
Who knows.
brendan schaub
Hopefully good.
bryan callen
Why do you think he's gonna get hurt again?
joe rogan
He could easily get hurt again.
brendan schaub
He's pulled out of multiple fights.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's, you know, depending on what is actually going on when it comes to PEDs over there, who knows?
Who knows?
I mean, there's so much speculation.
brendan schaub
This coach had a press conference.
joe rogan
I know.
About PEDs.
bryan callen
And about Brennan.
joe rogan
We would be...
bryan callen
He said Brennan should wash his mouth out.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
Like, hey guys, Brennan likes Brazilians.
Take it easy.
We're not insulting Brazilians.
brendan schaub
That's not obvious you're doing shit at all.
joe rogan
Well, there's without a doubt a certain amount of people that have been on the PEDs.
I think it's a legit focus of discussion.
I just do.
I'm not going to not talk about it.
I'm not going to not talk about it as a speculation.
unidentified
There's not.
joe rogan
It's legit.
And especially after talking to Nowitzki and talking to many, many, many, many, many fighters and managers and trainers.
bryan callen
They work.
joe rogan
Of course they work.
And here's the other thing.
What Tim Kennedy said to you.
He's like, have you been tested?
I haven't been tested.
You know, that.
Like, everyone's being tested.
Everyone's being tested.
Really?
He's like, who's been tested?
Are you being tested?
tait fletcher
Tim got, I think he got tested yesterday or the day before.
brendan schaub
No, I asked him if that was UFC. It wasn't UFC. Really?
joe rogan
Who tested him?
tait fletcher
Because Tim had piss bottles up and he was like...
But that was for the Army.
brendan schaub
No, because he put that out and goes, UFC still hasn't tested me.
He goes, I'm getting tested now.
I think the military tests them all the time.
And he goes, the UFC still hasn't tested me.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tait fletcher
And the question is, too, not even who's currently on steroids, but who's on the live roster that's moving that has been?
There's guys that are cycling in and out all the time, and really I think the question Eddie asked about who's not?
How many guys aren't?
Who's never done that that's signed under that contract that gets that check?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was that weird moment in the Anderson Silva press conference where they said, is this the first time you've ever been tested at a competition?
And he goes, yes.
And they're like, fuck, the one time they pop you.
The only time you've ever been tested at a competition they pop you.
eddie bravo
But didn't he take Viagra or something?
unidentified
Allegedly.
brendan schaub
That's what he says.
joe rogan
There's more than one story.
Bas Rutten was going over it and he said that he changed his story three times.
unidentified
What happens?
eddie bravo
You take Viagra, you test positive?
Is that what happens?
joe rogan
Let's not talk over each other.
eddie bravo
It elevates testosterone?
Is that what Viagra does?
joe rogan
No.
It has nothing to do with it.
brendan schaub
What did you say, Viagra?
joe rogan
Hold on.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
But Viagra is a performance enhancing drug and it is illegal.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
Because Viagra actually does enhance your body.
It's like a very extreme version of nitric oxide.
unidentified
Phasodilator, yeah.
brendan schaub
Blood flow, right?
joe rogan
So it really does benefit you in endurance.
Yeah.
Endurance athletes take Viagra.
I've trained on it before.
I did jujitsu.
I took a Cialis and did jujitsu to see what it was like.
brendan schaub
You noticed the difference?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It benefits you.
But no more so than Shroom Tech.
eddie bravo
Don't ever do that again.
bryan callen
Don't tell anybody!
tait fletcher
What's the 10th planet secret?
joe rogan
You don't get hard unless you're excited.
unidentified
He takes your back and he's like, that's exactly what you think it is, motherfucker.
tait fletcher
Is that a steel cup?
joe rogan
You just say, is that?
eddie bravo
Shut up.
bryan callen
Nope, that's my dick.
I own you.
joe rogan
Steel cups are brutal, man.
eddie bravo
And what could you do if you got the guy's back with your hooks in?
bryan callen
Just find a happy space in the wall and stare at it until he's done.
joe rogan
Just press down on his taint.
eddie bravo
Just tap right away?
joe rogan
No, tap.
bryan callen
Don't be silly.
Don't be impolite.
Just realize that there's a pecking order and he's the alpha.
joe rogan
It's amazing to me that those metal cups are not illegal in the UFC. Well, if you kick one, you break your foot.
tait fletcher
To train with guys with cups on is a drag.
That's a crummy thing to do.
For sure.
bryan callen
Because it hurts, you mean?
tait fletcher
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's painful.
It's a fulcrum point for arm bars.
Break people's arms with it.
tait fletcher
Even if you're a guy's on top and half guard and grinding.
That's a thing, man.
That's a not comfortable thing.
joe rogan
You know who did it the first time?
You remember Amir Renovati?
Amir Renovati mounted me once and he put the grapevines in and he had a...
I go, what the fuck is that?
He goes, it's a tie cup, bro.
A steel tie cup.
I go, ow!
What the fuck, man?
He was like, no, it was mounting me.
He was pressing it down on my...
tait fletcher
But back in the day, those were the only guys.
When you were training and there's a new guy, there are always kickboxers or boxers that came in that wanted to try jiu-jitsu.
Those were the only guys that wore a cup.
There was never really grappling dudes.
I never really knew jiu-jitsu guys that would wear cups.
Some do.
But now, back then, it was guys that came in from kickboxing.
The way I train is I put shorts on, I get my shoes on, and I put my cup on.
That's the same way they would come onto the mats.
joe rogan
I'm amazing.
How many guys fight and they have like cups that are loose in their jockstrap.
They have regular old cups.
Like you guys are out of your fucking mind.
brendan schaub
Like plastic cups?
That's what I wore.
joe rogan
Yeah, those shitty ones.
bryan callen
I'm wearing a cup right now.
joe rogan
Those diamond MMA cups are so goddamn good.
You'd have to be fucking crazy to wear anything else other than a tie cup.
Other than a tie cup with the rope.
I just didn't give a fuck.
unidentified
You'd have to be crazy.
brendan schaub
I never wore one in football.
It's whatever, man.
bryan callen
You let that fucking three-piece set, that baby bird just flop around.
Good job, guys.
You let that little nub free.
I don't give a shit.
brendan schaub
Did you always wear one, Eddie?
eddie bravo
I never wear a cup.
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
He wears a holster.
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
Oh, guys!
Sorry.
tait fletcher
I would only wear one like a week or two weeks before a fight to get used to it because I was going to wear it at the fight.
But I would never, never, ever wear it at training or anything.
joe rogan
I never wore it at training once until I was rolling with Einstein.
He was trying to pass my guard and he shoved his knee right into my dick.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And I got out of the class, and I took my jockstrap off, and it was filled with blood.
And blood was coming out of my dick.
He smashed my dick.
Like, it smashed.
And I was trying to figure out if I should go to the hospital.
And I figured, well, if it was my nose when I go to the hospital, no.
So I said, all right, let me just go home and see.
So I was feeling it.
It didn't hurt.
So I said, let me see if I could get it hard.
So I got hard, and I jerked off.
I jerked off, and it came out like one of those chickens.
You ever get a chicken that's got an embryo in it?
It's all bloody and all fucked up.
unidentified
Pictures?
tait fletcher
You got any photos?
joe rogan
No.
So I pissed and came blood for three or four days, but it never hurt.
bryan callen
I would have gone right to the doctor.
brendan schaub
Me too.
tait fletcher
I kind of feel like under that scrutiny of, hmm, if it were my nose, my cock is so much more important than my nose.
unidentified
You say that, but if you don't have a nose, good luck using your cock.
bryan callen
I agree.
joe rogan
If your nose is missing, no one's gonna suck your dick.
This fucking Skeletor dude with his giant dick, get out of here.
brendan schaub
Did he smash your balls or the trunk?
joe rogan
Right into my dick hole.
Big difference.
That's happened before.
You know, it's that pass where someone's trying to slice the knee through, and he just made a mistake.
eddie bravo
It stings.
joe rogan
Slammed into my dick.
It was only one time it happened after who knows how many years of training, but that was it for me, dog.
tait fletcher
Thank God you weren't on Cialis.
That would have been hard.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Well, I probably would have absorbed it better.
tait fletcher
Or rip that shit off.
Like, you ever have a girl riding you and then slips out and then lands on it?
bryan callen
Jesus.
I don't, because mine is too long.
eddie bravo
I got his dick broken.
How about that homeboy?
Remember homeboy who got his dick broken?
I talked to him.
He was in a wheelchair.
I talked to that guy in a wheelchair after it happened, and he told me exactly what happened and how his dick broke in half from a girl riding him.
Oh, that's...
joe rogan
That's a reckless girl.
eddie bravo
He was in a wheelchair.
His dick broke.
brendan schaub
Some real freaks out there.
unidentified
Sex.
eddie bravo
Blood everywhere.
Dick broke.
The guy's an MMA fighter.
bryan callen
I know a guy who got kicked in the nuts from fighting, and then his testosterone went, got really low, later on in his life.
And the doctor said, it's probably because, because one ball was bigger than the other, because it never swelled and never went down.
The doctor said, you injured your nuts fighting, and that's why, that's probably why your testosterone...
joe rogan
There was one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC who was...
Training, and he went to a spar with a buddy, and he just didn't bother putting his cup on because we're just gonna move around light.
Got kicked in the balls, lost his ball.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Never, never, never see him again.
unidentified
Because he didn't go to the doctor?
joe rogan
No, he went, his ball exploded.
He got kicked in the ball, and he was just like, pfft, dying, no more ball.
brendan schaub
You get surgery, you just leave it.
joe rogan
What are you gonna do?
You get surgery.
tait fletcher
You gotta reabsorb.
joe rogan
You just do, you take a cheesecloth, you wrap it up.
Tighten it down.
No, it's nothing.
It's like they removed it.
It exploded.
aubrey marcus
I finally figured out...
You see those, like, spectacles where they have some guy who gets kicked in the nuts, like, really hard, like a kung fu guy who just stands out?
Well, I figured out what he's doing, because occasionally when I'm having sex, like, one ball will find a hiding place.
unidentified
Yep.
aubrey marcus
Under the cartilage.
Where the hernia is.
And then you just plop it out.
But they just must do that.
They just go backstage and they just hide their balls above the bone.
bryan callen
Fight Science did a study on it and they said that actually...
joe rogan
Fight Science is not science.
Let's just be honest about that.
unidentified
But they said that their balls actually develop calcium deposits.
bryan callen
Their balls develop calcium deposits.
So their balls actually get super hard from trauma.
unidentified
Come on.
tait fletcher
I feel like Red Band's not even here, and I feel like, oh, Brian.
You know what I mean?
A little bit.
bryan callen
I'm telling you.
tait fletcher
I realize.
unidentified
We need a highlight reel of the ultimate ball shots.
joe rogan
Arlovsky versus Mir.
They're using Arlovsky from a decade ago.
Look at this fight.
I'll tell you what, that Frank Mir-Todd Duffy fight was crazy.
Insane.
unidentified
Crazy.
brendan schaub
That was a crazy round.
joe rogan
How about Bigfoot?
Couldn't take a punch at all, then fights Soapoleli and he's back.
Can take a punch, no problem.
brendan schaub
Bro, I don't like that rematch with Bigfoot-Mark Hunt.
That's a legendary fight, and now you gotta...
I don't like it, man.
joe rogan
Doesn't matter.
It doesn't take away from that fight.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, but I thought Andrzejewski was fighting for the title.
joe rogan
Why?
brendan schaub
No, Kane is.
bryan callen
I don't know.
I thought that was the rumor.
joe rogan
No, Kane.
I think it was going to either be Dos Anjos or Dos Santos, rather.
brendan schaub
I don't know why they don't do Dos Santos-Overeem.
Overeem's begging for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they are doing that.
That's the fight.
But Arlovsky, god damn, look at this.
When he stopped Travis Brown, god damn he's back.
He's a vicious fucking striker.
You know, the guy had some confidence problems, he got KO'd a bunch of times, but at the end of the day, that guy is a vicious fucking striker.
brendan schaub
How about for him sticking through it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
What did he get?
Knockout four in a row?
joe rogan
Many times.
brendan schaub
Look at him now.
joe rogan
Well, watch this fight with Karatanov in Strikeforce.
brendan schaub
That's a tough fight to watch, man.
joe rogan
You watch that fight and you're like, this fight's over.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
This is over.
It is Todd Duffy.
Goddamn, son.
aubrey marcus
Those are both similar fights.
Mir, Duffy, and Orofsky, Travis Brown.
joe rogan
Yeah, in a lot of ways, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, just wild.
joe rogan
Except the end.
Mirrors was so definitive.
I mean, Mirrors, there was no coming back from that.
I mean, they could have counted to a hundred.
brendan schaub
How about Mare too, man?
Mare's another guy just stuck with it, man.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, you just got to think about just a few years ago.
brendan schaub
He was like, what is he, one out of his last six?
joe rogan
How about when Josh Barnett crushed him just like two years ago?
Josh Barnett crushed him two years ago, and now he's on the verge of a title shot.
Chad Lapreze, Francisco Trinaldo.
Trinaldo fought 185 at Ultimate Fighter in Brazil, and now he's 155. Hmm.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
Chad Lapreet is coming out with a cross on.
brendan schaub
The IV thing doesn't start to October, correct?
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's why this December fight with Aldo is going to be real problematic for Mr. McGregor.
Because Mr. McGregor cuts a fuckload of weight.
brendan schaub
So does Aldo, though.
joe rogan
Yep.
Both guys do.
They both look like shit.
eddie bravo
They just got to start cutting early.
brendan schaub
So does Weidman, though.
Weidman cuts a shitload of weight.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's the conversation that I had with...
Nowitzki, I was like, they have to add weight classes.
They have to.
But the UFC doesn't want to add weight classes because they think it waters down the sport.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
I think there's enough weight classes.
Leave it the way they are.
joe rogan
Deal with it.
But there's not.
There's giant jumps.
eddie bravo
There's a 20-pound jump.
joe rogan
It does matter.
185 to 205 is a huge jump.
eddie bravo
That's fine.
tait fletcher
Guys make nine jumps anyway, though.
They're still doing it.
You guys transcend three weight classes.
unidentified
But you're not fighting.
joe rogan
If you were fighting, you wouldn't be fine with it.
brendan schaub
No, I know, maybe for the fighters it could be better, but for the sport, we have enough weight classes.
No, I'm with Joe, man, because a lot of these guys, look at heavyweight, 206 or 265, it's fucking insane!
eddie bravo
That's a nice problem.
I like it.
No, it's not.
It's interesting.
brendan schaub
As a fighter, it's not cool, man.
eddie bravo
As a fighter, no.
As an audience member, I'm not talking about the fighters, I'm talking about spectators.
I like that.
Yeah, it's too much already.
We don't need more.
brendan schaub
You do, though, because what about a guy like Chris Weidman?
He's a bad motherfucker, right?
eddie bravo
He's a champion right now.
He's doing great.
brendan schaub
He walks, what, 220?
He's doing great.
unidentified
215?
He's a big boy.
brendan schaub
He's a big boy.
eddie bravo
He's killing himself to get 85. He needs to, in between camps, maybe not blow up as much.
joe rogan
You don't understand, he's not blowing up.
He's dehydrating.
unidentified
He's naturally.
eddie bravo
He fights at 185?
tait fletcher
Yes.
unidentified
Then he should fight 205. What if he fought at 200?
brendan schaub
He's a champ at 185. What if his optimal weight's 200?
unidentified
Huh?
brendan schaub
What if his optimal weight to perform's at 200?
eddie bravo
I like the weight classes the way they are.
I don't want any more.
tait fletcher
You don't find a problem.
joe rogan
You're not using any logic.
You're just saying you like it.
tait fletcher
The heavyweight class, that argument, that is ridiculous.
Especially when the heavyweights are so poor, there's six really great heavyweights, and then the rest is just hard to get guys that are that big that are really moving the envelope like that.
And a lot of those guys are 205ers easy.
Easy 205-ers.
And so if you had a weight class that started at 230 that was reasonable, to have a guy that's like a Frank Mirsai that's not super huge and have a guy fight a 300-pound man on the day, whoa!
brendan schaub
To Joe's point, do you care if Conor McGregor and Aldo fought at 150?
160?
Do any of us give a fuck in here?
I don't care.
bryan callen
I want to see the best fighter at the best weight.
brendan schaub
Then you need more weight classes.
bryan callen
That's what I mean.
I'd rather see Aldo, if Aldo fights better and faster and longer and with more intensity at 155, I'd rather see that.
eddie bravo
I think the weight class is the way they are.
Force fights more instead of going, well, I'm in this weight class and I'm in this weight class.
aubrey marcus
Well, you could see more super fights where people meet in the middle for a belt.
joe rogan
That's what it should be.
Belts are bullshit.
bryan callen
Who cares?
joe rogan
It's the best fighters or the best fighters.
We all know who the best fighters are, right?
Have the best fighters fight the best guys.
When you beat the best guys, you're the best fighter.
This idea of the champion, I just think at a certain point in time, who cares?
If Aldo has the belt, look, McGregor has, let's be honest, McGregor has an illegitimate belt.
Sure.
tait fletcher
Made up.
joe rogan
It's a made-up belt.
I mean, we call it the interim belt, but Aldo defended his title a year ago.
Stripping a guy because he can't get through a camp without getting injured is a part of MMA. It's always been a part of MMA. But because of the marketing, because of the hype behind it, because of the huge event, the enormity, the economics of the event, they decide to make it an interim fight.
So he's got a title.
Aldo's got a title.
They both have titles.
So they're fighting for the undisputed title.
So it becomes this big thing that they have to get on a scale and they have to have a certain amount of mass in their body and then they rehydrate like crazy and do their best to get back up to whatever the fuck they really are.
Wouldn't it be better if they just fought?
We know how big Conor is.
We know how big Aldo is.
Let's go fight, guys.
tait fletcher
The other thing that would be cool, if you didn't have belts like that, or you had a mitigated value to them, you could have catch fights for everybody.
You could go, okay, Jon Jones, what do you want to fight Weidman at?
Or whatever.
You could do any of that stuff with every single fight, and then it would be real match-ups.
bryan callen
I also feel it adds another dimension.
So fighting, the biggest thing is that it does become, if you're sucking inordinate amounts of weight, part of being a champion then has to be how good is your nutrition program, how good is your weight loss program, and that becomes a huge part of fighting when it probably shouldn't.
brendan schaub
What about more brain trauma?
bryan callen
Correct.
brendan schaub
Because homeboy Jeff Novitski was saying that it takes 72 hours to rehydrate your brain.
So even with IVs.
eddie bravo
No belts.
You guys are saying no belts.
Just catch weight fights.
unidentified
No, no.
brendan schaub
I want belts, but let's get more divisions.
So guys aren't killing themselves to make these weights.
bryan callen
You just want to see the best athlete.
eddie bravo
I think the UFC is amazing and they're doing an amazing job to add this and add that.
unidentified
I don't know.
bryan callen
It'd be funny if you took your mask off and you weren't Eddie and you were actually Dana.
eddie bravo
There's so much good shit happening in the UFC, too much, that you can't even keep track of it to add more weight and then take away the belts?
joe rogan
I think this is an illogical discussion.
brendan schaub
It's not that they're not doing a great job.
joe rogan
They're saying all these reasons why more weight classes would be beneficial and not cutting weight would be beneficial.
And you're like, everything's great!
It's a crazy way of looking at things.
bryan callen
Maybe he's super positive.
eddie bravo
Call Dana.
bryan callen
He might be super positive.
joe rogan
Give me one of those beers.
bryan callen
It's a good beer, by the way.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
I appreciate...
Are you part of the company?
tait fletcher
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nice.
brendan schaub
It would be safer and it'd be easier.
It'd be better for the fire.
We'd get better performances if they weren't killing themselves.
eddie bravo
Nuevo Star.
Nuevo.
bryan callen
That's the name of the company?
brendan schaub
Trying to get me in trouble again, man.
eddie bravo
There he goes.
bryan callen
Okay, what do we got here?
I love what's going on.
joe rogan
Chad LaPreece.
unidentified
It's perfect.
joe rogan
And...
eddie bravo
Screwy-ass, fucked-up judges and all that shit.
You never know who's gonna win.
Fuck yeah.
It adds to the excitement.
tait fletcher
I love that shit.
eddie bravo
Bro, Adelaide Berg, give me more.
bryan callen
And he's happy with what he has, okay guys?
Back off.
eddie bravo
I'm appreciative.
I love the belts and all that shit.
brendan schaub
I love the fact that if you're a champion and...
eddie bravo
Knowing that if you don't take this fight, if you try to back off for whatever reason, maybe you fake an injury, maybe you don't fake an injury, maybe you don't want to get busted with steroids.
Whatever it is, I think it's good for them to know that, hey, if you fuck around, we're going to strip that fucking belt.
I like that.
Like, oh, I'm not gonna fight.
Oh, I hurt my ankle.
Oh, I hurt my shoulder.
You know what I mean?
You never know.
It's nice to know that you can't do that shit anytime you want.
We're gonna take your fucking belt, and we're gonna make you guys fight.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
Because if they're the champion, and the champion gets hurt in training, if they are clean, and they actually do get hurt, and they can't fight, you're just gonna take their belt?
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
It adds excitement.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
I like it.
There's no stability.
eddie bravo
I like it.
joe rogan
You're talking crazy.
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
You guys start a fighter's union.
You're a troublemaker.
brendan schaub
He's a troublemaker, man.
bryan callen
He's kind of a positive troublemaker.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
I love what's going on.
I love this shit.
And you love it, too.
We're having a fucking podcast because of this shit.
joe rogan
You're not even watching the fights.
eddie bravo
I'm watching right here.
bryan callen
He's watching me.
He's watching me, man.
eddie bravo
Who's winning?
joe rogan
Who's fighting is a better question for you.
eddie bravo
Is that an American black guy or is that a Brazilian black guy?
bryan callen
Brazilian, man.
eddie bravo
Okay, I don't know.
It's hard to tell.
joe rogan
Oh, the breeze with a nice right hand.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
unidentified
He's throwing.
bryan callen
He's no joke.
This kid would be a handful in the ring.
You know what I mean, guys?
aubrey marcus
They got the jerseys color-coded, by the way, Eddie, so that'll give you a little heads up.
Green on the shorts means Brazil.
bryan callen
Do they make one guy wear...
eddie bravo
Oh, really?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, green on the shorts.
unidentified
I don't like that.
tait fletcher
They should change that.
unidentified
They should make them all wear the same shorts.
bryan callen
By the way.
joe rogan
Has anybody worn, like, have you ever seen someone wearing, like, those Reebok fighter kits?
Have you ever worn anybody in the street?
bryan callen
Haven't seen one.
aubrey marcus
I got the pants when I was in Andrew Craig's.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
No one's buying that shit.
bryan callen
You had to wear them?
aubrey marcus
Oh, yeah, they had them all laid out in a locker.
joe rogan
Wow.
They make you wear a sneaker?
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Damn, I missed it.
eddie bravo
Damn!
joe rogan
Did they make you wear sneakers, too?
unidentified
100%.
aubrey marcus
Socks, too.
joe rogan
Everything?
aubrey marcus
Only my underwear was socks.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
Oh, he pulled guard.
brendan schaub
The only kid I've ever seen was at Aubrey Marcus' house.
It was hanging in your closet, and I was like, oh, cool.
eddie bravo
I saved my shit from the Ben Saunders fight.
It's all bloody.
I saved that shit.
bryan callen
I'll never wear it.
joe rogan
I'm gonna frame it.
It'd be brutal if they made you give it up and then they sold it.
Sign it and sell it.
They sell it at eBay.
aubrey marcus
Worn kits.
brendan schaub
Oh, look at this.
eddie bravo
Hey, that's too hard.
bryan callen
That's too hard.
eddie bravo
It's gonna ruin his brain.
brendan schaub
Yeah, this one's over.
joe rogan
This is definitely gonna ruin his brain.
All these count.
All these count.
eddie bravo
What about the downward elbow right there?
What happens then?
joe rogan
Fernando's a bad motherfucker.
eddie bravo
Those aren't that hard.
brendan schaub
They'll stop it, though.
joe rogan
That's it, bitch.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Nice.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Francisco Trinaldo.
Where is Saskatoon, by the way?
tait fletcher
Saskatoon is Saskatchewan, huh?
bryan callen
Yeah, I think it's the capital of Saskatchewan.
eddie bravo
Is that where this is at?
bryan callen
I think.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Hey, Chris Beal already fought, right?
bryan callen
Saskatoon.
eddie bravo
What happened?
joe rogan
Chris Beal fought?
Is that what you said?
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
He's the black guy, right?
eddie bravo
Yes.
Man, I just came from Gracie Worlds with Tate.
I didn't keep track of the prelims.
joe rogan
Man, I'm sad that Sam Stout got killed in the first round.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
That bumps me out.
eddie bravo
What happened to Chris Beal?
joe rogan
I'm trying to find out right now.
Prelim results...
Fuck, man.
brendan schaub
Super bummer for Sam Stout, man.
joe rogan
Sam retired.
He retired in the octagon after the fight.
Um, man.
Uh, do-do-do-do-do.
Arontes beat JoBoi.
Tapped him out.
eddie bravo
Wait, Chris Beal lost?
joe rogan
Uh, no.
JoBoi is not Chris Beal.
eddie bravo
I thought he said JoBoi.
unidentified
Hold on.
eddie bravo
I thought he said he beat JoBoi.
brendan schaub
I was watching Chris Beal.
I think he won a decision, I think.
joe rogan
I'll tell you right now.
Um...
No, Beal lost.
brendan schaub
In a decision joke?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I wasn't watching close.
joe rogan
29 was a split decision.
brendan schaub
It was a close fight.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.
It wasn't a split decision.
29, 28, 29, 28, 27, 30 for the Greek gentleman.
brendan schaub
You trained with him, Eddie?
eddie bravo
Yeah, and he's been coming out.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, Chris Beale.
eddie bravo
Yeah, hell yeah he is, dude.
brendan schaub
Dude, Sam Stout, though, that's heartbreaking, man.
You guys know him?
He's such a good dude.
joe rogan
He just can't take a shot anymore.
brendan schaub
Man, he's a good dude.
He's been doing it forever.
joe rogan
We've seen it so many times.
Guys that have an iron chin, and then all of a sudden, they reach a certain point, they can't take it anymore.
tait fletcher
And a lighter guy.
A guy that's always cut a lot of weight.
You know, like a real legend, but always, always cut a lot of weight.
joe rogan
Yep.
tait fletcher
Man, that stuff's real.
It stays with you.
And then the training.
You know, like, you always train, always being hit.
There's never a rest.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it was interesting.
You guys watch Ultimate Insider, the John Anik show?
Good show.
And they had Rashad on.
Rashad was talking about how he used to train and how he trains now.
And they used to think that you had to beat yourself up so that, you know, you could be able to fight.
And he's like, no, that doesn't really work.
He's like, it's a good theory.
It's good in theory, but in actual practice, you just can't do that.
tait fletcher
I think the thing is, I mean, the smart way, I think that there's only a few guys that are doing it, and I think Ronda probably does it, but the only good thing about sparring a lot is that it's not like you're staying sharp.
I think you're just learning you're tough, and you learn you can withstand stuff.
You're not getting better, but to hit mitts, to work on timing, all that stuff, I think after the first couple, three years of your fight, you don't need to spar ever.
joe rogan
What was Kenny doing?
tait fletcher
You just don't.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Tim Kennedy, we were talking about, and he goes, oh, I don't spar at all.
He goes, what I need to know, I can take a shot?
Because I've been fighting for how long?
Because I don't spar at all.
He goes, the only time we go live is when I'm inside the octagon.
And I've heard this from a number of fighters.
And there's a trend in NFL, too, and college.
There's a lot of college teams.
They do not hit anymore.
There's no more live practice.
These are top, top teams.
bryan callen
Don't you pay a price, though, when you're going full and distance and, like, I don't know.
It doesn't make a difference in speed, distance, and defense.
brendan schaub
Well, when you've been doing it for that long, do you really, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tait fletcher
And you're hitting targets.
You've got a guy hitting mitts.
It's just like hitting somebody in the face.
unidentified
Right.
tait fletcher
You know, your footwork is the same.
You know, the guys that are holding mitts for these guys on the top are the fucking finest fighters in the world that are now holding mitts for guys.
I mean, you look at, like, a Bang Ludwig or a Mike Winklejohn that's holding mitts, a Brandon Gibson.
It's like, those guys are...
Fucking killers.
joe rogan
Don't get it twisted.
I heard Winklejohn has some serious power.
unidentified
Oh!
tait fletcher
He is so frightening.
I'd go into the gym and he'd be in, and it'd be early in the morning and to hold knits and like, and I'd hear whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
Like just somebody beating the fuck out of a bag.
And it's just him back there.
It's dark.
It's so fucking eerie.
And just a bag taking a beating.
brendan schaub
He was a world champ, right?
tait fletcher
A world champ.
Multiple times.
unidentified
Kickboxing.
tait fletcher
Kickboxer.
Bad, bad, bad dude.
joe rogan
Like, compare him to somebody power-wise, like a Melvin?
Melvin Manhoof?
What kind of power has he got?
tait fletcher
I don't know.
joe rogan
I heard he's ridiculous.
I heard his kicks have ridiculous power.
tait fletcher
You're looking at him and I go, what's your workout?
What are you doing on the bag?
He goes, I'm doing nine minute rounds and it's just non-stop.
It's like It's like the cadence is fucking crazy How big is he?
bryan callen
Is he a big guy?
tait fletcher
Was he a heavyweight?
unidentified
185, 190. He's probably not even that big.
joe rogan
But I just keep hearing from people.
They go, dude, you need to see that guy kick the bag.
They say he has ridiculous power.
brendan schaub
Such a good dude.
tait fletcher
The work ethic is amazing.
He's one of the toughest, kindest, most gracious dudes ever.
Helps everybody.
brendan schaub
Well, he's the one training Holly Holmes, right?
Yeah, he's Holly Holmes.
tait fletcher
I mean, he's been Holly's coach for ages.
brendan schaub
You good on here, Jamie?
tait fletcher
Since she was a boxer.
joe rogan
Let's try not to talk over each other, though, because we've got a lot of mics going on.
We've got five, seven mics.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
The Holly Holm fight is not as intriguing to me as Amanda Nunes would be.
brendan schaub
I would just like to see Holly get maybe another one or two warm-ups, because we've seen her in the octagon, and she's just not putting it together yet to get to that level of Ronda.
joe rogan
And her big issue is the grappling, you know?
brendan schaub
That's a huge issue.
unidentified
With Ronda?
brendan schaub
Yes.
aubrey marcus
She's very patient, too.
That's not really going to work against Ronda.
Ronda's going to come right after her.
brendan schaub
She won't have time to be patient.
tait fletcher
That's another thing, another drawback, I think, to being such a fine boxer in that arena.
You can be patient.
It's a long, drawn-out battle.
Ronda doesn't fight that way.
joe rogan
Who knows, though, man.
You never know.
Maybe Holly, because her stand-up is so much more refined, she's been doing it for so much longer, maybe she can keep Ronda away from her.
Who the fuck knows?
I'm serious.
I just think, honestly, the real problem is there's a lack of talent.
brendan schaub
Like I said, I'm not mad at the UFC. I get it, man.
Let's at least let the world know who Holly is.
She's going to get all this marketing.
Ronda's only going to fight for so long.
Holly is a badass.
joe rogan
Whoever's managing Cyborg.
I think there's plenty of talent.
eddie bravo
Ronda's just way better than all of them.
joe rogan
No, she fired him.
brendan schaub
They still train together, though.
aubrey marcus
She needs to get with MC Hammer.
joe rogan
Go, Hammer.
unidentified
Go.
joe rogan
He was doing that for a while, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
He's my manager, son.
I was in an MC Hammer rap video.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
brendan schaub
I was in an MC Hammer rap video.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
eddie bravo
What happened with MC Hammer?
brendan schaub
I was in a rap video, but I wasn't dancing.
joe rogan
What did you do in this room?
eddie bravo
Is he out?
He's not in MMA no more?
What happened?
You can't touch this?
Seriously, though, I wondered what happened to MC Hammer.
He's not involved at all.
brendan schaub
He's killing the game, man.
He's an investor in Facebook, Salesforce.
tait fletcher
Money for gold or whatever is one of his deals.
brendan schaub
Cash for gold.
tait fletcher
Yeah, that's it.
eddie bravo
Oh, so he's blowing up.
tait fletcher
But no more MMA. He's a businessman.
joe rogan
No more MMA. He's got a lot of money.
Does he perform anymore?
tait fletcher
I don't think so.
Oh, he does.
brendan schaub
He does, man.
I just saw him...
tait fletcher
With Digital Underground.
eddie bravo
He could do Vegas for the next 20 years.
joe rogan
Wait, wait, wait.
You went to see him?
brendan schaub
You know, he came here.
joe rogan
And you left the house, and today I'm going to go see...
unidentified
Yeah, I worked with him, man.
brendan schaub
No, he's got all those big sponsors that everyone's giving me shit for.
All of those came from MC Hammer.
Salesforce, all that.
joe rogan
From MC Hammer.
Does he still have the pants?
brendan schaub
Airbnb.
No.
I wish.
Those are the dopest pants.
He sells out in, like, Africa and shit.
You don't hear that.
unidentified
That was the funniest thing I've ever said, dude.
brendan schaub
Like in China.
joe rogan
Africa and shit.
brendan schaub
Well, like in China, Expendable 17's huge.
But here we're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
This is a good fight.
Cote and Berkman, this is a good fight.
tait fletcher
It's a throwback to 2006 right there.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the numbers he does in the Congo?
brendan schaub
No, I'm serious.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
He plays open air jungles.
joe rogan
Jiu-Jitsu with the gi.
Every day I improve with the gi.
Notice I'm doing things that no one can do in the fight because they don't have the grip.
eddie bravo
No, he did not say that.
joe rogan
This is three years since he became a black belt today.
He's going to give him the first black stripe.
Charles Oliveira.
eddie bravo
Damn, he had that piece of tape in his fucking collar.
That was awesome.
unidentified
How cool is that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tait fletcher
You just learned the technique.
unidentified
Oh, my friend.
joe rogan
My friend.
tait fletcher
I think the girls in the game, too, right now, they've got to realize they've got way more power than they think because there is such a small amount of them that are valuable as talented fighters.
Yeah, man.
Ooh, I disagree.
I don't.
You disagree on what?
Who else are you going to get?
When you're looking at women to fight Ronda, Holly Holmes is the baddest woman walking, I think.
She's badass.
I think it's early for her, whatever, whatever.
However, how many more are out there?
Five?
brendan schaub
Six?
Tate, my friend.
tait fletcher
It's not like the UFC The Tough Show.
Listen to this, though, bro.
brendan schaub
So Rhonda could fight, my mom could fight Rhonda at UFC 192 and they'd still sell as many pay-per-views.
It does not matter who she fights.
unidentified
That's not true.
brendan schaub
That's true.
It does not matter.
Bech Correa, America doesn't know who the fuck she is.
Holly Holmes, we know who she is.
Two of her friends.
joe rogan
It's like Roy Jones when he was in his prime and he was just starching everybody.
tait fletcher
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
It was the Roy Jones World Tour, you know?
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
We're paying to see Ronda beat up whoever.
joe rogan
Ronda's going to have to do things now.
She's going to have to do like a judo match during the day and then have like an MMA fight at night.
Remember when Roy Jones played basketball?
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
He played basketball the day of a world title defense.
The day of!
Not the day before.
Day of!
Played basketball.
And then went out and whooped some ass at night.
tait fletcher
You know, one of my favorite stories about that is John Jones chasing a guy down, a robber, a purse snatcher, in New York City.
Fucking runs him down, tackles him, retrieves the purse from the lady, holds the guy for the cops, and then goes, who's he not?
Shogun, right?
joe rogan
For the title.
Becomes the youngest ever champion.
tait fletcher
That's like a made-up story.
That's fiction in its real life.
eddie bravo
Someone's making that John Jones movie right now.
brendan schaub
He's back training, by the way.
unidentified
Hell yeah!
brendan schaub
There's footage of him training at Jackson's right now.
tait fletcher
Right away, right after he got in that trouble, Mr. Winklejohn was like, you're back in, help all the rest of the guys.
Whatever you're doing, you're doing, but help these guys.
And he was in right...
He's a good...
He's a stand-up dude, man.
brendan schaub
The whole division's like, eee, fuck.
eddie bravo
He's training again.
I saw him doing crunches.
joe rogan
Well, here's the problem.
Like, what's going to happen with him criminally?
You know, running away from...
It's a big fucking deal.
Running away from an accident.
brendan schaub
It's a felony, right, Joe?
Because she got...
joe rogan
Broken bones, correct?
Yeah, it's a serious injury.
Not only that, he was of mind to come back and get whatever he needed from his car and then leave again.
The problem with that is, I'm not saying you should lie, but there's a defense that you could always use in a car accident that you got hit so hard in the head you didn't know what the fuck you were doing.
And then you left.
No one could use that argument better than a guy like Jon Jones.
brendan schaub
Why is it taking so long?
joe rogan
I don't know how long it takes for these things.
bryan callen
I hate to say this, but that's why they always say if you are in a situation and you're drunk, people in the know will run away from the scene.
Because you can say, I hit my head and I was disoriented.
There's no way to prove.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
The next day that you weren't.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bryan callen
So leaving the scene is not...
The defense, and it wins, is I didn't know where I was, and I just...
brendan schaub
I know he came back and got cash, though.
bryan callen
Even still?
tait fletcher
No.
The difference with this is that somebody was hurt makes it felonious.
If you're just leaving the scene, not as bad a deal as a drunk driving.
Hurting somebody, leaving the scene, way worse.
joe rogan
Dude, I love the fact you used the word felonious.
unidentified
I do, too.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that was intense.
joe rogan
Felonious Monk.
brendan schaub
I'm with it, though.
joe rogan
That should be a rapper, Felonious Monk.
You know, instead of Thelonious Monk?
tait fletcher
There probably is a rat, I bet.
joe rogan
I bet you're right.
Let's look it up right now.
I bet you're totally right.
eddie bravo
I bet you're wrong.
tait fletcher
I bet that's easy, Eddie.
eddie bravo
That's your shit.
aubrey marcus
Come back, take Verdum's belt, and take fucking...
brendan schaub
That's exactly what's gonna happen, Aubrey.
He's become fresh out of prison.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's the guy.
His name is Thelonious Monk.
unidentified
He was a great pianist and he went crazy.
eddie bravo
Thelonious.
bryan callen
Thelonious went crazy.
He was a great jazz pianist.
He actually went crazy.
joe rogan
Even the best jazz pianist, you can keep him.
How about that?
bryan callen
He was a genius.
joe rogan
How about that?
tait fletcher
You've got the nicest jazz penis I've ever seen.
joe rogan
I went to the LA County Museum of Art the other day.
Save your fucking brain cells.
Save your time.
I'm going to show you some pictures.
I'm not bullshitting.
There's a plexiglass box on the ground.
It was roped off.
I go, is that the art?
That's the art.
It is a plexiglass box.
And there's some bullshit written on the wall what this box is supposed to represent.
It's a fucking box!
I paid money to see a box.
It's a box.
brendan schaub
Were your kids bored out of their minds?
joe rogan
Out of their mind.
They were ready to run through walls.
bryan callen
There was a critic who said that the reason that those kinds of things sold for millions of dollars was because a small group of people who are modern art aficionados wanted to be and feel really exclusive.
It was essentially like...
tait fletcher
Assholes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Assholes.
It's so bad.
The art there is so bad.
There's one piece of art.
There's a screen that has 18 different separate videos playing at the same time.
It's just people like throwing a ball to each other.
One guy's juggling.
One guy's smoking a cigarette.
It's so fucking dumb.
It's so dumb it made me angry.
I was like, I can't believe you fucks made me look at this.
One of them was supposed to represent tar and feathering.
So it was like a black background with some feathers on it.
I was like, I'll fucking kill you.
I'll fucking kill you if you put this in a museum.
brendan schaub
And you paid to get in there?
bryan callen
I paid!
joe rogan
I didn't have to pay either because I'm a fucking resident of LA County.
I could have got in for free.
tait fletcher
And a celebrity.
joe rogan
I'm like, let's contribute.
Let's contribute.
So we paid.
To get in.
bryan callen
I told you, there's nothing more maddening than a modern art exhibit.
Especially the art that came out of the 60s and 70s.
Rauschenberg and those guys.
joe rogan
Not only that, man.
The people that were so fucking pretentious.
bryan callen
Damien Lichtenstein and all those guys.
joe rogan
There's one of them is Junk.
There's an exhibit that they call Junk.
And you go there and it's just garbage that they've glued in frames.
It's so fucking stupid.
tait fletcher
There's some place that they just opened where they opened it to a lot of street artists, and they just had blank walls in there, and they let that go, which I think has huge potential to be badass.
joe rogan
Well, some street artists are fucking amazing.
tait fletcher
Really fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Super talented.
unidentified
That dude never down in Venice.
You see him?
tait fletcher
He did, like, Baby Blues.
He did a place by Clutch.
eddie bravo
Oh, yeah, that he's never he is wicked red bands like red bands the one who really turned like He text me goes hey, dude cuz Justin boo his daughter trains at my school, and I don't know any artist I know Todd white.
That's it, and I didn't know who Justin boo.
Yeah, I'm not I'm not big in the artwork He's a painter of lots of shit, but he's known for painting hip-hop artists and doing weird-looking paintings of them that are insane.
He's got books and...
Anyways, Red Band wanted me to...
joe rogan
Well, that's why Red Band should do his own podcast.
I've been telling him forever.
You have all these interests that I don't have in.
You should do your own podcast.
You'd be good at a podcast.
Just start your own thing and do it.
tait fletcher
Doesn't Red Band do his own?
eddie bravo
I thought he had five of them.
tait fletcher
Doesn't he have 16?
joe rogan
No.
He has this thing called Dysentery, but it just gets girls on.
He gets drunk and harasses them.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
It's called The Sexual Harassment of Brian Redband.
That's the name of the podcast.
What I'm saying is he should do like a show where he has guests on.
Call it like the Redband Show.
eddie bravo
I thought he had that.
joe rogan
No, he doesn't.
That's Squad TV? No, he doesn't have any single podcast that's like the Redband Show.
He does Kill Tony.
He does all of them with other people.
But he would be good one-on-one.
eddie bravo
Well, he knows.
But you know what?
He knows that he's like the engineer guy.
He's like the Dr. Dre of podcasts.
joe rogan
Well, he doesn't even act as an engineer on my show anymore.
He sits as like a co-host.
You know, I think he's better off when he's not distracted by computers in front of him and all this stuff.
First of all, he's so ADD. He'll just start Googling things.
I'll catch him going on his Facebook and like, we're doing a show.
Like, put your phone down just for a show.
But that's how his mind is.
Like, if you go to dinner with him, he's like that.
But that's also why he's got so much information on stuff that's going on on the internet.
I mean, he'll tell you, look, I'm looking for things to talk about.
Like, yeah, but you've got to kind of like talk.
tait fletcher
But we're in an actual conversation now, currently.
joe rogan
It's not his fault, but what I'm saying is he would probably recognize that more if he was doing his own show.
Like if he did like the Red Band show.
It's not like you don't have time for it.
You only do my show like once or twice at the most a week.
You have all these other days.
You don't have another job.
It's like you could be really good at it.
I think he would really have a huge market.
Because I think he's a weird guy.
He's funny.
He says a lot of crazy, silly shit.
He's got a lot of varied, bizarre interests.
I think it would help him so people could see what he's really all about.
What people like about him.
It'd be better for him.
tait fletcher
It would help his comedy, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck yeah.
And then, like, a guy like this guy, like this artist, or, you know, he would expose people to things that he's into, because he's in a lot of, I mean, I find out about a lot of stuff from him.
bryan callen
He's into fringe stuff, right?
tait fletcher
Yeah, a lot of weird stuff.
Well, that's the other thing, too, is if he was doing that, and he had a regular time, and he had to be true to somebody else, he invited a guest, it would hone his discipline, and if he did that...
joe rogan
Oh, no, did we just lose DirecTV?
tait fletcher
Boom!
bryan callen
Ah, so close.
joe rogan
Wow, DirecTV almost shit.
brendan schaub
Couple 35 year olds going at it.
joe rogan
I think that for almost everybody that is involved in stand-up comedy, doing your own podcast is a great idea.
Unless you don't need your Russell Peters or Louis CK, why bother?
You know, but for anybody else, like a guy like me, or for Bill Burr, I'm sure it's been gigantic for his career.
For Joey Diaz, it's been gigantic.
It's been gigantic for you.
It's been gigantic for you.
For me, it's been fucking amazing.
brendan schaub
It's been a lifesaver for me, man.
joe rogan
Me too.
I think it's the best form of communication.
I just think more people should find what's true to them.
I know podcasts where guys work with other guys and they fucking wind up hating each other.
Eddie Ift had that with Jim Jeffries.
They had this great podcast together, but they couldn't keep it together together.
Now Eddie's got his own thing, talking shit.
tait fletcher
He's had three different ones like that, like Eddie's gone through.
bryan callen
What was that about?
They just didn't get along?
joe rogan
It's hard, man.
Sometimes you want to talk and they're talking and sometimes you disagree and you don't want to discuss certain things or the things that you think are interesting they think are dumb and you get mad.
bryan callen
Never had that with my boy over here.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the reasons why you guys work so well together.
You guys have interesting dynamics and you know when you say ridiculous shit that it's ridiculous and so you play along with it when everybody shits on you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because you're kind of semi-serious when you first bring things up and then you're not married to it and you realize along You've said, why does he just hit him with the right hand here?
And they're like, yeah, for sure, Brian.
And then it becomes, you kind of go with it.
No, guys, guys, I box.
unidentified
No, guys.
tait fletcher
No, clinically, I was reading a study, and it's a fact, actually.
bryan callen
That's like watching Sean Porter and George A. Moseley box, and I was like, I feel like I could navigate that kind of movement.
I literally think that sometimes because I'm watching it and I'm like, oh God.
eddie bravo
And then your comedy turned into that same personality he was talking about.
You go out and you say, fuck, I wish I was a bad motherfucker.
I wish that knife throwing thing.
You just want to be this knife expert.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, we're missing a good fight.
brendan schaub
It's a really good fight.
joe rogan
Berkman's lighting them up.
tait fletcher
He's throwing a lot of kicks.
These guys know what is up.
joe rogan
I got Kote winning via TKL. Kote's Jiu-Jitsu has really improved.
Really improved.
I was really impressed with his takedowns and his Jiu-Jitsu in his last fight.
tait fletcher
How about that he was the guy that went the longest with Anderson.
Well, before he blew his knee out.
joe rogan
Well, he exposed a fundamental flaw in Anderson's game.
That is, if you don't lead, he doesn't either.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
Oh!
bryan callen
No joke, man.
He stood in Lombard's face, man.
tait fletcher
Very tough guy.
joe rogan
Choked out John Fitch in one round, put him to sleep.
brendan schaub
That's right.
I forgot about that.
joe rogan
Caught him in that guillotine, put him to sleep.
bryan callen
He's a fucking veteran.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's been very good.
It was very good in World Series of Fighting.
bryan callen
Relaxed.
brendan schaub
He doesn't want to fight since.
joe rogan
He's very calm coming back.
brendan schaub
He doesn't want to fight in the UFC yet, correct?
joe rogan
Well, he fought Lombard, came in short notice, and wasn't feeling well for that fight either.
brendan schaub
Then fought Stun Gun and got choked.
joe rogan
Did he get choked?
Which kind of choke was it?
aubrey marcus
He's lost four in a row, I think.
bryan callen
Berkman?
joe rogan
Tell you what, man.
I will always keep a guy like Berkman around.
He makes shit interesting.
Swings to the fences.
He's very smart.
He's a good dude.
tait fletcher
His boxing is very good.
joe rogan
Dude, he fucking hurt Cotain.
That's the guillotine.
That's the shit, man.
He lost the left hand.
tait fletcher
That left hand he tagged him with?
joe rogan
Dude, he hits hard.
And you know what else about Berkman?
He's real calm in there.
tait fletcher
Very.
joe rogan
He gets real relaxed.
bryan callen
Look at him right now.
He doesn't expend his energy.
joe rogan
He also went through some significant injuries with his back.
tait fletcher
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, he healed it up in some weird way.
He was talking to me about it, and I really didn't understand it, and I wanted to go more in-depth with him.
But he said he did, like, balance work, and, like, it was a lot of positive thinking.
brendan schaub
What kind of injury are we talking about?
tait fletcher
The dude from Westside Barbell?
joe rogan
Bulging discs.
tait fletcher
The dude from Westside Barbell, he broke his back in, like, five different ways.
unidentified
Louis Simmons?
tait fletcher
Louis Simmons.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tait fletcher
And Shane Sweat, he's one of his main instructors, he was saying that that's why he developed the reverse hyper machine.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tait fletcher
Specifically to heal his back.
And he healed his back by himself.
Five breaks in his fucking spine.
joe rogan
They all wanted to cut him open.
They all wanted to fuse his discs.
tait fletcher
That's a bad dude, man.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
tait fletcher
Those guys talk about transfer of power, man, in a huge way.
When you see tip-tap boxing and all that stuff and what is making guys turn it over, that stuff is trained.
You can change.
Everybody's like, oh, he's got knockout power.
He doesn't.
You can give that to somebody.
You can train yourself.
unidentified
Sort of.
joe rogan
I've never seen anybody that is a pity-pat puncher become a bomber.
bryan callen
Look at his takedown defense.
Look at Berksman's takedown defense.
tait fletcher
Nobody trains it either.
joe rogan
Nobody trains it either, but like a George Foreman guy, you don't have to train that shit.
unidentified
Sure.
tait fletcher
There's guys you don't have to, but it doesn't mean that it's outside of the realm of others' possibility.
joe rogan
That is true.
I mean, I think it has to do with your ability to cover distance in a very quick amount of time, but it also has to do with bone mass.
tait fletcher
Sure.
joe rogan
Bone mass is undeniable when it comes to punching.
It's not a weird secret that people with giant hands hit way fucking harder.
They just do.
tait fletcher
But even like you look at Little Dodson, he's not a huge guy by any means.
He's explosive.
And he puts guys down.
joe rogan
He's so ridiculous and fast.
unidentified
Like a heavyweight.
brendan schaub
So fast.
unidentified
He's explosive.
tait fletcher
He was born.
He turns his hips over like that.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's got some serious speed.
tait fletcher
Every movement that he makes is 100%.
joe rogan
This is a good fucking fight, man.
Nice short elbows by Kote there.
brendan schaub
I slept on Berkman.
I thought he was going to get starched by Hector Lombard, a juiced up Hector Lombard, and he freaking rolled that thing out, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's tough as fuck, dude.
bryan callen
Did Lombard get popped for juice soon?
joe rogan
He got popped for that fight.
Oh, Jesus, these guys are going off.
bryan callen
Yeah, and...
joe rogan
Kote is fucking tough.
brendan schaub
God, he's tough, man.
joe rogan
He's one of the toughest guys as far as his ability to take a shot and keep his confidence.
bryan callen
He looks like he's in a different weight class than Bergman.
joe rogan
Well, he has.
He fought at 185 for the title.
tait fletcher
And he was a 205 or two.
brendan schaub
He's a good analyst, too.
tait fletcher
He fought Tito in his first fight in the UFC. He knocked Tito down and surprised him a lot.
bryan callen
He's a bad motherfucker.
Look at him.
joe rogan
He's got a lot better with his grappling.
His grappling has really improved in a big way.
brendan schaub
He broke his hands.
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
It's over!
tait fletcher
Oh!
joe rogan
Berkman is fucking hurt!
Look at Berkman swinging fast.
unidentified
I love Berkman.
joe rogan
He's still hurt, man.
tait fletcher
He's still hurt.
He doesn't know where he was when he threw that.
brendan schaub
He has no idea.
tait fletcher
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
tait fletcher
He's like, I'm over here trying to pretend I'm unfazed by that.
I'm just going to walk it off.
I hope I'm walking the right direction.
Are these my coaches?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tait fletcher
When he caught Patrick with that shot, and you know guys hit pretty well when he's like, I'm going to just change directions, go right for a double leg right now and not even think about it.
brendan schaub
True.
unidentified
Oof.
aubrey marcus
That single leg is not finished all that often, but someone who does it really well, I think, is Shogun.
Like, I see him finish that single leg a lot.
brendan schaub
The best is DC. If he gets a whole motion, you're like, you're going for a ride.
aubrey marcus
But does he go to the crotch?
Shogun, I'm not a wrestler, I don't really know, but he seems to do it a different way.
He snaps it.
joe rogan
He knows how to snap it.
He knows how to straighten your leg out and snap you down.
But in my opinion, the scariest is Nurmagomedov.
Nurmagomedov, that motherfucker outgrapples everybody.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
Like, you see him get a hold of people, he just ragdolls everybody.
It's the way he's doing it that's so confusing.
Like, Dos Anjos is strong as fuck, and he's a really good grappler.
And when you see him fight Nurmagomedov, Nurmagomedov's like, eh, not today.
I think you'll be on bottom for a while, eating elbow sandwiches.
brendan schaub
He beat Dos Anjos.
unidentified
He beat everybody.
joe rogan
He beat everybody.
That combat sambo.
Oh, look at that right hand!
Combat sambo.
bryan callen
He was a world champion sambo, but wasn't he also a high-level wrestler?
joe rogan
He can wrestle, for sure.
But his background is primarily soundball.
I don't know if he has experience.
bryan callen
He drew a lot of Greco in that shit.
eddie bravo
Tony got a little better wrestling than Rafael Dos Anjos.
Tony Ferguson?
brendan schaub
Oh, you're saying better wrestling than Dos Anjos?
eddie bravo
Yes.
brendan schaub
Ooh, that's tough.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
Tony wrestled in college.
Tony is a real wrestler.
brendan schaub
I agree.
Dos Anjos is a world champion.
eddie bravo
Tony wrestled in high school and college and he's legit.
tait fletcher
American.
eddie bravo
He's legit.
bryan callen
Freestyle.
America.
eddie bravo
Trust me.
He's a legit wrestler.
brendan schaub
No, I'm with you, but I'm talking about UFC grappling wrestling.
eddie bravo
Rafael Dos Anjos is a jiu-jitsu guy.
He's from Brazil.
There's three wrestlers in Brazil.
brendan schaub
I know, but in the UFC, he's the champ.
joe rogan
They have a team.
unidentified
How dare you.
eddie bravo
They have a whole guy, Henato Babalu.
Remember how weird was it that Henato Babalu was that Brazilian MMA fighter that was a wrestler?
unidentified
He was the only Brazilian wrestler out there.
bryan callen
You don't have a lot of big wrestlers to come out of Brazil.
eddie bravo
Hinata Babalu was a wrestler.
bryan callen
You know who does an amazing job with a single leg is Glover Teixeira.
The way he runs that pike when he grabs that.
That's a great wrestling.
eddie bravo
Another Brazilian who can wrestle?
bryan callen
That's a basic pike run.
eddie bravo
A lot of Brazilians can wrestle now.
Don't get me wrong.
tait fletcher
Well, Glover can do it because of Chuck Liddell.
eddie bravo
It's different when you're raised that way and you're going to junior high school and you're wrestling and then you're going to high school and then you're going to college.
tait fletcher
I mean, those Brazilians would go to Cuba.
joe rogan
You guys can't talk over each other.
I'm going to explode.
bryan callen
If Glover grabs your leg, if you're single leg, he's the one guy that your takedown defense probably isn't going to work too well.
He was doing basic stuff, too.
joe rogan
What's really impressive, there's a video of your boy Cyborg, the other Cyborg, Roberto Abru.
brendan schaub
Cyborg Abru?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's doing these drills.
God damn, that guy moves good.
brendan schaub
Tornado drills or what?
joe rogan
He's doing drills, like guard pass drills.
Jamie, go look at CyborgBJJ on Instagram and pull up the video.
Just watch how he moves for a 235 pound guy.
eddie bravo
I know what you're talking about.
He passes, knee on the belly, and then the guy rolls into him and then he jumps to the back.
joe rogan
Dude, you saw the video today?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Amazing, right?
eddie bravo
Was it today?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
No, I'm talking about a video from like a week ago.
joe rogan
Oh, well, I'm sure he's got a bunch.
brendan schaub
Did you post it, Joe?
joe rogan
No, he posted it.
Look at this.
Watch it, Jetty.
Eddie.
Jetty.
I'm sorry.
Eddie, watch this.
No, no, this is a different one, Jamie.
This is him.
That's him.
That's just an escape that he does.
That one, right-hand corner.
This is it.
Watch this shit.
Watch this pass.
unidentified
I've seen this, yeah.
joe rogan
Look how fast this motherfucker moves.
eddie bravo
When he rolls into him, he gets side control.
Look at that.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
He's a big guy, man.
Look at this.
For a guy this big to move that well.
I mean, fuck.
brendan schaub
Freak.
tait fletcher
What's that hat he has on?
joe rogan
It's ear guards, brother.
How dare you?
brendan schaub
How dare you, Tate?
unidentified
Beautiful.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm so impressed with that.
I mean, I can't imagine.
That's a 240-pound man that can move like that.
That's fucking crazy.
That's how big he is, right?
He's about 240?
brendan schaub
Yeah, 240. Man.
joe rogan
Matt Morris think he was 230. He's a fucking panther.
I mean, he really is a panther.
That is freakish.
brendan schaub
He beat Buchecha the last time they competed.
He's a freak, man.
joe rogan
He is as good as he gets when it comes to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
That guy's as good as he gets.
He's a monster.
So strong.
He's different from a lot of those guys in his physical preparation, too.
He puts all these videos up of the strength and conditioning shit that he does.
brendan schaub
Fuck.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
Like NFL combine shit.
That motherfucker is running with rubber bands pulling them and shit.
brendan schaub
He's a true pro.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a true pro.
brendan schaub
He's like a real pro.
eddie bravo
Super nice guy, too.
brendan schaub
Really nice guy.
Great guy, man.
joe rogan
Real positive online.
Real, like, inspirational online.
brendan schaub
I'm a huge fan of his.
tait fletcher
I'm gonna follow him.
joe rogan
Were you bummed out that people were mad at you about that Metamorris bout?
brendan schaub
Are you talking about the shop shutdown?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is that?
Brandon Schaub just shut down all of his takedowns and just made him stand up there and realize, if I don't want this fight to go to the ground, you're not going to get me to the ground.
brendan schaub
But then I went in his guard eight times.
Yeah, you did.
After a while.
Cool, check this out.
I'll go on your guard.
joe rogan
But the first thing you did, and you did this within a couple months of a UFC fight, and everybody was mad at you, but I was like, well, listen, you've got to look at it this way.
The guy's a professional MMA fighter.
The other guy who's fighting is known for tearing knees to pieces.
Like, this is...
Oh, look at this, Berkman!
Look at that guillotine again!
brendan schaub
It wasn't even that, Joe.
It was more like...
unidentified
It's not worth the risk.
brendan schaub
Well, not even that.
I wouldn't have signed up if it wasn't for that.
The plan was to wear him out.
I wanted to keep shooting, keep shooting, so I could get a hold of his neck.
Because all my stuff is in transitions.
He knew this.
So he stopped shooting, and then he just sat to his butt.
I was like, well, we gotta get something going here.
So that's why I kept going to his guard.
joe rogan
So your whole game plan was to try to catch him as he was trying to take you down.
brendan schaub
Yes, and then when he decided to sit to his butt, I was like, I didn't even think of that.
I'm like, well, fuck.
And then you get that kind of weird...
Like, he's not engaging, I didn't, you know?
joe rogan
Even when you were actually grappling, he never was able to put you in a weird position.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
You should really do some Adam Morris type shit, dude.
brendan schaub
I would love to, man.
I don't know what Hullick's deal is.
joe rogan
Or Eddie Bravo, Invitational, a super fight in the heavyweight division...
Eddie, who you got for him?
brendan schaub
What's up, Eddie?
aubrey marcus
In Austin, Texas.
brendan schaub
Hey, we might be able to promote.
eddie bravo
Want to do Cyborg?
brendan schaub
Can I get someone else?
unidentified
We've already been there.
brendan schaub
We've already been there.
eddie bravo
I want to see part two.
tait fletcher
I just saw that guard passing.
I need somebody else.
joe rogan
Now that I know, what you was trying to do to me is catch me when I come in for the shot.
eddie bravo
Because you're not going to be able to do that in overtime, EBI overtime.
You ain't going to be able to do that.
brendan schaub
I'm not worried about that.
There's only one guy in the world who I do that to, and that's Cyborg.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
When the rule set says that if there's no submission at the end of 15 minutes or 20 minutes, it's a draw, I would do the exact same thing.
If I'm going with a guy that was fucking crazy dangerous, I'd rather take the goddamn draw than get choked out, or I would do the same goddamn thing.
brendan schaub
Well, no, that wasn't my plan.
Oh, let's just go to a draw.
My plan was to choke his ass out in a darts or a guillotine.
That was the plan to get him shooting to open up and transition.
joe rogan
Dude, if you submitted Cyborg, do you know how goddamn big that would be?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I do.
That's why I signed up for it.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
I would be super fucking cautious.
brendan schaub
Are you kidding me?
Super cautious.
eddie bravo
I would be cautious.
This is Cyborg?
Oh, damn.
bryan callen
Dude, Bergman is a bad motherfucker.
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
Look at this.
tait fletcher
He came out a different fighter.
joe rogan
Bergman is hurting Cote.
brendan schaub
Joe Bergman.
joe rogan
Oh my god, and he returns!
Returns fire!
Holy shit!
bryan callen
He's tough, man!
tait fletcher
These guys are rough!
joe rogan
Oh my god!
bryan callen
Damn!
joe rogan
He tagged him again!
He's wobbled!
Damn, Berkman is so accurate!
bryan callen
Berkman's a great fighter, man!
joe rogan
He's so calm in the pocket, too.
eddie bravo
It's the football.
bryan callen
Super.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he doesn't get emotional, does he?
joe rogan
No.
He stays way calm.
aubrey marcus
Especially coming after.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He sees everything that way, you know?
He's a real veteran.
But so is Cote, man.
tait fletcher
He really is.
joe rogan
Cote is as calm as they get under fire.
brendan schaub
Cote's one of the hardest hitters at 70, man.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Is he though?
I think so.
Because don't you think that the cut down to 170 has maybe diminished a bit of that?
Because it's hard.
He's not the same.
He's lost physical size.
brendan schaub
True, but he's still a big 70er.
joe rogan
Yes, he's big, for sure.
But we haven't really been seeing him knock guys out like he did.
unidentified
Oh!
tait fletcher
I'm sorry, I missed that last part.
brendan schaub
What were you saying?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Dude, how tough is Berkman?
How tough is Berkman?
He's almost back up.
tait fletcher
Don't stop it!
unidentified
Oh, that's it!
joe rogan
That's it!
Could that not have been Berkman?
tait fletcher
That was a perfect timing.
joe rogan
There's never been a better timing ever.
brendan schaub
You're like, he's not really knocking guys up.
unidentified
Boom!
Dude, I'll go power at 170. Listen to me, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
I carry power.
unidentified
At 170 as well as 185. I think it's a great cut for him, too.
tait fletcher
I mean, that's the third round, and he's not tired at all.
joe rogan
That was fucking amazing.
aubrey marcus
That was a hell of a fight.
joe rogan
What a fight.
And you've got to think how rocked he got early in that round.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, he was covering up, and Berkman was going off on him.
That motherfucker is tough as shit.
brendan schaub
That was dope.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that right hand was picture-perfect, too.
aubrey marcus
It's a huge fight in front of all his fans, too, in Canada.
joe rogan
And a war!
That's like the sweetest victory.
Because it's one where, you know, you pull yourself out of the fire.
brendan schaub
Fuck.
Like, you see the benefits from your training and your camp.
tait fletcher
He was in a couple spots where he was in a lot of trouble.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
But that right hand was so beautiful.
Look how he sets it up, too.
Faints with the jab first.
brendan schaub
Still didn't knock him out cold.
joe rogan
Oh, Josh Berkman's tough as fuck.
Tough as fuck.
Berkman almost got up.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
You know what?
And I'll tell you what.
If they didn't stop the fight, Berkman would have eventually gotten up.
tait fletcher
Watch.
What he does here, he goes, I don't want to come up.
I'm going to pull guard.
He rolls to his back here.
He's not like...
He's right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tait fletcher
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably shouldn't have stopped it.
But either way, whatever.
tait fletcher
He wasn't upset that they stopped it either, though.
joe rogan
Powerful Patrick Cote.
Well, he knows.
I mean, he knows.
He got a bomb dropped on his chin.
I love how he set it up, too.
The pawing with the jab to get that distance.
Then, boom!
aubrey marcus
Fight of the night so far.
eddie bravo
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
I commentated a fight where the ref stopped it early, and the guy was complaining that it stopped it early.
eddie bravo
So the ref said, this was in the hall, and the ref said, okay, fight again.
tait fletcher
So the guy got knocked out again.
unidentified
Oh, hell no.
eddie bravo
I don't want to throw the fighter under the bus.
He's a really nice guy.
tait fletcher
What organization, King of Kids?
eddie bravo
Too hot to handle.
The guy complained.
He was complaining, why did you stop it?
I wasn't rocked.
He goes, you were out.
I wasn't rocked.
And the ref said...
Alright, let's go again.
And then he backed up in the corner so you could see it in his eyes.
He's like, fuck.
He never thought the ref would continue the fight.
tait fletcher
Hasn't that happened in the UFC before where they're like, no, no, watch the replay.
You're unconscious.
joe rogan
Well, not, but Murillo Bustamante had to tap Matt Lindon out twice.
Remember that?
tait fletcher
Yeah.
unidentified
Why?
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Big John McCarthy fucked up.
Matt Lindland, he caught Matt Lindland in an arm bar.
Matt Lindland tapped, and then he said he didn't tap, so he was just trying to change his position.
And so they made him fight again, and then the next round, Murillo, I think, caught him in a guillotine.
Pretty sure it was a guillotine.
But he had to tap him twice.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because, you know, it's an error by the referee.
tait fletcher
Hey, bro.
I'm just trying to change position.
joe rogan
Well, I think John saw the arm was fully straightened out.
Saw he's fighting Bustamante.
Saw, you ain't getting out of that.
tait fletcher
No, that's legit.
joe rogan
Stop, man.
That's Carlson Gracie's original squad of black belts.
bryan callen
Tall man, too.
unidentified
He's good, man.
joe rogan
He's good.
And Matt Lindland, you know, he's a fucking competitor.
You could say that about him.
He bit somebody while I was wrestling with him.
unidentified
He did?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was like one of his amateur wrestling matches.
He bit some dude.
tait fletcher
He would always gross me out with all that tobacco on his upper lip type tobacco dude.
Straight hillbilly shit.
joe rogan
He was one of the toughest guys alive for a little while.
tait fletcher
Oh, that whole squad up there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was one of the toughest 185 pounders in the world.
tait fletcher
When Randy was up there.
joe rogan
Well, that's when he fought David Terrell, when David Terrell was a real threat.
brendan schaub
Dude, he was a savage.
joe rogan
David Terrell knocked him out.
David Terrell was terrifying.
tait fletcher
I remember him on Grappler's Quest, and he was just ripping heads off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I heard in the gym he's like the biggest freak.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
brendan schaub
I heard he's an absolute nightmare to grapple with.
joe rogan
Well, you should see him fucking go back and watch his early Abu Dhabis.
Dude, Dave Terrell was a monster.
brendan schaub
Oh, I'm familiar with him.
He's a super monster.
I'm a huge fan.
joe rogan
You know, he had some serious fucking infections in his ear from Cauliflower where they had to remove his ear.
They cut his ear off his head and they had to scrape it out and there's all pus and everything in there.
I think they had to wind up cauterizing inside his ear.
He had some serious fucking ear problems.
tait fletcher
I had no idea about that.
joe rogan
Dude, cauliflower ear, you know, most of it, you look at Cote's ear right there, most of it is just cosmetic, but there are times where you get ear problems where it goes deep inside the ear and you're in a big fucking terrible situation.
tait fletcher
The worst I've ever seen is guys when they, like on the outside it's not a big deal, but when it starts to close off and then their hearing is mitigated.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, and they get staph.
You get staph inside your ear too.
That's another thing that can happen.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fucking, it's terrifying.
Oh my god.
What a perfect timing.
brendan schaub
Crazy that didn't put him out.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Right on the button.
joe rogan
Cote.
Cote's still getting better.
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
It's awesome to see, man.
joe rogan
He just, he never loses his enthusiasm for it.
eddie bravo
It'd be cool if we could press a button, like a mute button, where he could say some shit that you wouldn't want to say on air, but you just want to tell everyone else.
joe rogan
Like what?
eddie bravo
No, I'm just saying.
Throughout the night.
tait fletcher
I feel like you've got something right now.
joe rogan
You think that right now?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
Just throughout the UFC in general.
It'd be nice to have a mute button.
joe rogan
Patrick Cote, I'm sure, is kind of sensitive.
He's thinking maybe you're talking shit about him.
eddie bravo
Hey, I love Patrick Cote.
Are you kidding?
Josh Berkman.
Love him to death.
unidentified
Motherfucker.
eddie bravo
I'm just talking in general.
joe rogan
See, that's a fight where I agree that you almost shouldn't cut Berkman.
He's a fucking animal.
He's an animal.
Why cut him?
brendan schaub
He's entertaining too.
joe rogan
And by the way, he beats a lot of guys in that division.
brendan schaub
A ton of guys.
joe rogan
A lot of guys.
brendan schaub
If you give him the right matchups.
But there comes a point where...
You've beat so many good guys, they're not going to give you those easy matchups.
You know what I'm saying?
You're such a veteran.
joe rogan
Like this guy.
How about that matchup?
Is there anybody more explosive than that guy?
eddie bravo
Is he straight out of Compton?
joe rogan
No.
I heard he was in it, though.
Did you see him?
There's a video with him and this bodybuilder guy, and they're doing all these bodybuilder exercises.
brendan schaub
I was going to say, he might help.
joe rogan
I sent it to my friend who's a strength and conditioning coach, and he was horrified.
He was like, why the fuck would you ever do this kind of a workout, like a superset workout for MMA? He's like, you're literally going to make your body work against itself.
You're going to stress your muscles out, blow your muscles out in weird ways, stress out all, you know, like you're going to do bodybuilding stuff like bench presses.
It was really an interesting conversation and no one knows because what's good for you is not good for him.
Everybody's got their own different way of improving their body, but for Woodley, he feels that he was not as exposed.
Like he listened to many people like me that were saying he's carrying around too much muscle and that it was taken away from his explosion.
Because he was trying to lean out a little bit.
So then he went back to it.
Maybe he's right.
brendan schaub
That's Woodley's body type, right?
Super explosive.
He might not have the best cardio, but he's going to be a motherfucking beast to hang out with for those first two rounds.
But that's him.
He's never going to be a Neil Magny.
But he just has to do what he does best, you know?
Like Shane Carwin, he tried that too.
Shane tried losing all this weight and shit, tried being a cardio guy, and he just wasn't the same fighter, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have what brought you to the dance, right?
brendan schaub
No, yeah, exactly.
Stick what got you to the dance.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's an interesting problem because if you fight in a guy like Johnny Hendricks, who's his next opponent, great fight by the way, right?
unidentified
Phenomenal fight.
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
If the fight goes into the third round, can he compete at the same level?
Robbie Lawler.
You know Robbie Lawler can go balls to the wall for five rounds.
He can do it.
He can do it.
So if you try that shit in the first round on him and you're still there for the second and third rounds, you're going to be, you know, you're a different person now.
You're not the same guy.
You're a guy operating at 40%.
brendan schaub
That's what you gotta do, though.
bryan callen
With all these strength coaches that you talk to.
brendan schaub
That's his best shot to win.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
That first two rounds.
joe rogan
Just to be a fucking demolition machine until you can't be a demolition machine and then get taken out.
bryan callen
Yeah, but until you meet a guy, until you meet a veteran who can weather your storm like Glover with OSM. OSB, OSB. And OSM. And OSM. I think you're doing great, Brian.
Thank you, Tate.
When you talk to these strength coaches, are there like three, four exercises all of them agree are very important to do?
tait fletcher
Pilates.
joe rogan
You say that, but Sergey Kovalev, he believes in Pilates.
The fucking one of the best boxers on the planet.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Kovalev does?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
He does Pilates.
bryan callen
Crazy power.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he does a lot of Pilates because he wants to stay flexible and has a big range of motion.
Yeah, he's into Pilates.
It's kind of interesting, I thought.
Because I've seen a lot of guys that are into yoga.
I've never seen anybody that's into Pilates.
bryan callen
Right.
brendan schaub
Rhonda did Pilates for a while, too.
bryan callen
Pilates isn't kind of like yoga.
It's just a strengthening stretch.
tait fletcher
Oh, Brian.
joe rogan
It's nothing like yoga.
brendan schaub
I don't know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
You actually lie down.
You have cables and equipment.
Yoga is your own body weight.
unidentified
That's what I mean.
bryan callen
Like yoga, but with cables and lying down.
tait fletcher
Have you ever done Pilates?
joe rogan
It's like that because it's a lot of housewives.
bryan callen
I'm not going to answer that question.
I'm not in the court of law right now.
eddie bravo
Pilate hottie.
joe rogan
I pass it.
I've never even once thought about going in.
bryan callen
I've driven by it.
I've seen it being done.
joe rogan
Those chicks look like they're putting out almost no effort.
Every time I look in there, I'm like, this looks like maybe the easiest workout you can do.
Everybody comes out, their body looks exactly the same.
bryan callen
Somebody who was a real athlete told me it was no joke.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm fucking around.
I'm sure it's hard.
Here we go.
brendan schaub
What's up?
unidentified
What's up?
Oh, no, no.
bryan callen
We're not on this.
unidentified
Yeah, we are.
joe rogan
No, you don't have to.
tait fletcher
That section was not there.
joe rogan
Listen, you don't have to.
bryan callen
Joe, you and I are betting on this one.
eddie bravo
Okay, now we are.
We are.
I thought we changed you.
joe rogan
We were going to bet on the main event, weren't we?
eddie bravo
Oh, if I lose this one.
joe rogan
Where would I? You're willing to go?
eddie bravo
You're willing to take Charles Oliver?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
Okay, okay.
joe rogan
Which one are we betting on, Brian?
bryan callen
I don't know, man.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
They just showed Eric Silva.
He didn't look that yoked.
They just showed him standing there.
brendan schaub
He didn't highlight, son.
joe rogan
There have been times where he looked unbelievably yoked.
eddie bravo
No, no.
You guys are wrong.
joe rogan
We just watched it.
eddie bravo
You guys are wrong.
brendan schaub
You and Callum bet on the main event.
joe rogan
Okay.
brendan schaub
Holloway.
joe rogan
Okay.
I bet Olivera.
brendan schaub
You got Max Holloway.
bryan callen
I got Holloway all day.
joe rogan
For dinner.
Do you really?
Well, listen.
Holloway can certainly win.
I don't want anybody to think that I think he's going to lose a fight.
I don't know what the fuck's going to happen.
bryan callen
I'm getting lost in Silva's eyes.
joe rogan
Dreamy.
brendan schaub
He's handsome.
bryan callen
He's a handsome kid.
aubrey marcus
Who's the top three most handsome UFC fighters, Brian?
bryan callen
Oh, well, Luke Rockhold, without question.
Rockhold.
Let's go.
brendan schaub
Eric Silva.
eddie bravo
Let's go.
bryan callen
I would have to put...
This is a very good question and one of my favorite kinds of questions.
I have to say, you see, you got character.
You got a little character in the mix.
Conor McGregor is a kid.
Women go nuts for Conor.
He's got style.
joe rogan
Cain Velasquez is not an ugly man.
He's got perfect proportions.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, sir.
Who was it?
Felice Herag?
Sir, sir.
joe rogan
If he was shredded, if Cain had Luke Rockett in his body.
bryan callen
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out of this conversation.
eddie bravo
I love Woodley's ass.
joe rogan
If you're into a manly face, Mark Hunt has the thickest face.
bryan callen
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to take a step.
joe rogan
Fabrizio Verdum has very interesting facial expressions.
bryan callen
Sir, please take the bench.
Take the bench for a second.
I'm going to ask you to stand down, sir.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but right now you're disrupting the conversation.
brendan schaub
What's your top five, Callan?
bryan callen
I gotta go with my boy Shob.
You gotta put Shob in top five.
unidentified
He's retired.
joe rogan
The kid's retired.
unidentified
Not yet.
bryan callen
Not officially.
Not officially.
He's not officially retired.
joe rogan
Stop getting your friend beat up.
eddie bravo
What do you base that on?
His height?
bryan callen
Shob hungry eyes.
When he walks in the room, he creates a hungry eye epidemic, man.
Tell me right now.
It's nuts.
So you gotta go with Shob.
He's bigger.
He's very, very...
He's V'd out.
And he walks like a peacock.
He's always holding his breath when he walks.
And you gotta give it up.
unidentified
He's got a full, beautiful mouth.
joe rogan
So, what about Eric Silva?
Eric Silva's gotta be top ten.
You gotta put him in the top ten.
bryan callen
Yes, with his hair with that beauty.
You see no scalp.
unidentified
I feel like it's offensive that you haven't mentioned Tim Kennedy at all.
bryan callen
I love Tim Kennedy, I just can't give him top ten.
He's all man, but I'm speaking aesthetically as a connoisseur of the male physique and face.
tait fletcher
Without the face.
Without the face.
Just body.
bryan callen
We all agree that Luke Rockhold is number one.
I have to say.
joe rogan
I said on this podcast.
tait fletcher
We all agree.
joe rogan
The only reason why anybody gets laid is because Luke Rockhold didn't get that first.
Thank you.
He should sell t-shirts with that on it.
bryan callen
Yeah.
We gotta go.
Who's number two?
I mean, this is a big question.
joe rogan
Well, there's people that like a Chris Weidman, an all-American-looking fella.
bryan callen
He's a cutie pie.
brendan schaub
He's not top five.
bryan callen
I just can't give him top five.
tait fletcher
You know who's overlooked?
eddie bravo
I think Robbie Lawler is overlooked.
bryan callen
Too ferocious.
eddie bravo
Robbie Lawler is overlooked.
bryan callen
Too scary.
tait fletcher
What about Johnny Hendricks?
joe rogan
Too scary.
How about this one?
Dark Horse, Carlos Condit.
bryan callen
Yes!
joe rogan
He's handsome as fuck.
bryan callen
By the way!
joe rogan
Too skinny yet, he says.
bryan callen
Excuse me.
I'm giving him number two.
eddie bravo
I like him big.
joe rogan
Handsome as fuck.
bryan callen
In my book, he's number two.
brendan schaub
Over here, Silva?
bryan callen
Yes, I have to say.
tait fletcher
I'm going to say Tyrone Woodley.
aubrey marcus
I got one.
Alan Joban.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's a male model.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
He might be number one.
tait fletcher
To the toddlers, thank you very much.
eddie bravo
He's a male model.
tait fletcher
That's not even fair.
eddie bravo
You can't say Alan Juban!
joe rogan
He might be number one.
eddie bravo
He's number zero.
joe rogan
The only thing that separates him from Rockhold is Rockhold's taller.
eddie bravo
We gotta ignore Alan Juban.
tait fletcher
He's a professional.
eddie bravo
It fucks everything up.
He doesn't count.
He gets paid for that.
We're talking about regular guys.
joe rogan
Look at that face.
He's a goddamn beautiful man.
I'm not even sure yet.
tait fletcher
Yeah, come on.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
What a dick.
joe rogan
Perfect man.
aubrey marcus
I was staying next to him at a hotel, and he's just working out in the hallway, and I'm walking through with my girlfriend.
Who?
Joban.
He's working out in the hallway.
joe rogan
What was he doing in the hallway?
With a trainer?
By himself?
aubrey marcus
She was sprinting through the hotel hall, just kind of getting warmed up.
joe rogan
What if somebody opens the door?
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
Just shirt off, sweating in the hallway.
eddie bravo
Why did you have to bring him up?
Jesus Christ.
We had a real conversation here and you gotta bring up a professional.
joe rogan
He makes Eric Silva look like some dude from The Hobbit.
He does.
Eric Self looks like Lord of the Rings now.
bryan callen
Is Juban still fighting him?
He's out there.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
Shut the fuck up.
You are really on a fighter podcast.
You've got to do a little research, son.
bryan callen
No, I am.
I'm just thinking.
unidentified
I did karate when I was 12. I've researched.
aubrey marcus
He just won in San Diego.
bryan callen
Look at the difference in his body, guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, his body definitely looks smoother.
bryan callen
You know what?
Eric Silva isn't even in my top five anymore.
joe rogan
Kiss my ass?
He looks like a natural athlete.
bryan callen
Yeah, he does, but there you go.
You can keep that.
tait fletcher
Poor facial hair.
bryan callen
He's a good-looking guy.
He's not making my top five.
Condit.
I got Condit.
We got Rockhold Condit.
Joban is right there.
unidentified
Joban.
joe rogan
No, Joban.
Allen's number one.
bryan callen
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Sorry, Luke Rockhold, but Allen's number one.
Really?
He doesn't count.
eddie bravo
You can't count.
joe rogan
I count him.
He's a professional.
5'11", I think?
bryan callen
5'11", no, I can't give it over.
eddie bravo
It's not fair.
bryan callen
6'3", Luke, I can't do it, my friend.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's the only thing that Luke has over him.
unidentified
But it's a big thing.
joe rogan
Facially, he's like a 10. I like my men tall, Bob.
bryan callen
I like my men tall.
I like them to tell over me.
He's an LA 6'4".
I like them to leave peanuts off my head.
I gotta go with my man.
joe rogan
Well, if you want to count that, then, you know.
eddie bravo
Who's the hottest announcer?
unidentified
Eve Levine.
bryan callen
Joe Rogan.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
The ring announcer.
joe rogan
Oh, Bruce Buffer.
eddie bravo
He's the hottest?
bryan callen
Bruce Buffer's the hottest man, period.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's slick.
He looks like a fucking James Bond character.
bryan callen
He might be the best-looking man.
eddie bravo
Here we go.
Come on, Neil.
joe rogan
Wow, Eric is smooth as fuck.
He does not look...
eddie bravo
Oh, this is my shit, right?
brendan schaub
This is not shit.
joe rogan
Yo, he's lost a lot of muscle mass, too.
bryan callen
Are you kidding me?
eddie bravo
But he looks like a young Wilmer Valderrama.
joe rogan
Now, do you think that he's lost muscle mass because he's trying to be leaner so he has more cardio because that has been his issue?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that could be it, too.
joe rogan
Or do you think this is a PED issue?
brendan schaub
It could be both.
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub, you specifically, for the press.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for TMZ. That's tough, man.
It could be both.
joe rogan
It could be, right?
brendan schaub
It could be a combo of both.
joe rogan
You have to consider it.
And here we're seeing the aggression, like Aubrey was talking about.
He's just not as ferocious right now.
eddie bravo
Well, you know what?
He just threw some fucking big bombs right now.
I don't know what you guys are talking about.
joe rogan
No, he just took a big, deep breath.
He used to be super aggressive, dude.
You see the fight?
eddie bravo
Look at that!
As he throws a spinning elbow!
brendan schaub
Well, he has to be careful, too, because Neil's number one thing is cardio.
If you're Eric Silva, the worst thing is your cardio.
joe rogan
And Neil has a good ground game, man.
He's fucking real good on the ground.
Super solid on the ground.
brendan schaub
I'd say purple belt.
Yeah, solid.
eddie bravo
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Say that after a Damian Maia fight.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
But other than that, he's looked awesome on the ground.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
He's got a good ground game.
A little too high, but there was a wild scramble there.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Eric Silva takes him down.
tait fletcher
Pretty aggressive.
eddie bravo
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
joe rogan
Well, for a guy like Eric, you know, when he fights a guy like Matt Brown, and Matt Brown just outworks him and beats him down.
unidentified
Oh, look at that pass.
eddie bravo
Okay, that's a big sign right there.
That's a sign of some dark shit on the ground for Magny right there.
That quick, that fast.
There's a big difference of groundwork right here.
joe rogan
Also, he's got to also think after the Maya fight that Magny's a little suspect on the ground.
tait fletcher
And he's passing the weak side.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
Well, that's Neil's biggest weakness if you have to pick something, right?
tait fletcher
That's on purpose.
brendan schaub
He's grappling.
Off his back.
joe rogan
Yeah, off his back.
Well, Neil's just so...
He's a cardio machine.
He's the same guy for every round.
That's so big.
If he could just...
Add the other skills on top of that, that cardio that he has is such a giant advantage.
brendan schaub
Hopefully mentally.
Let's say he were to lose this fight, worst case scenario, and he's lost two in a row, and he's come off a seven-fight win streak.
What a change.
You go from seven-fight win streak to losing two in a row within two weeks.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
eddie bravo
I think at a certain point you need to be known for some kind of offensive weapon, like they gotta watch out for this or that, because you've been blasting people.
If you don't have that fucking special power or two or three, you're not gonna be able to hang at the top.
You gotta have some shit that they're worried about, you know?
brendan schaub
He's got cardio, though.
eddie bravo
He's got a lot of cardio.
unidentified
He's the gazelle.
eddie bravo
It took him a certain distance, and now he needs some firepower.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what I said.
Me and his head coach, Lisa, were talking.
I said, you're going to get to a certain point with those cardios and winning off points.
You're going to get a bad motherfucker who's going to go, nah, man, this ain't going to work.
Damian Maia.
He's like, oh, you're good at cardio?
unidentified
Check this out.
bryan callen
Ben Henderson who doesn't care about your cardio.
joe rogan
And Silva here is looking good.
unidentified
What are you doing?
joe rogan
Oh!
Look at that!
Maggie takes him down.
bryan callen
Look at this!
I may have Gustafson!
joe rogan
Look at this!
Full mount!
Holy fuck!
eddie bravo
Look at this shit!
Come on, Eric!
joe rogan
Yeah, Magny looking good.
Looking for that second hook, son.
Risk control, son.
Underhook on the left side gives him that second hook.
unidentified
Oh, come on, Eric.
Underhook.
eddie bravo
Damn it, there you go.
He's good now.
unidentified
He's good.
joe rogan
Drags him right down to the ground.
brendan schaub
Either way, this is good for Neil.
This transitions all this.
As the rounds go on, this is good for Neil.
joe rogan
Well, what's what we're saying about the Matt Brown fight, that Eric just could not keep up with Matt Brown.
So for a guy like that, he's got to realize, now that he's been there before and he's drowned, you've got to realize, okay, I've got to figure out how to be able to sustain this, if it's possible.
eddie bravo
Yeah, maybe he addressed this shit.
Maybe he's going to be fine with his cardio.
He watched that fight, and I'm sure his coroner said, dude, we've got to get the cardio together.
If they were smart, they would be honest with him.
brendan schaub
I think it's kind of a power thing, though, too.
Either you're a cardio guy or you're not.
Neil's never going to be a knockout artist.
He's always going to be a cardio guy.
eddie bravo
You can fix the cardio.
joe rogan
Kane knocks people out.
aubrey marcus
Robbie Lawler knocks people the fuck out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, they have both, right?
They have both.
Like, Kane...
joe rogan
Who's Kane knocked out, though?
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
Nogueira.
Dead.
Bigfoot Silva.
joe rogan
Dead.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
I mean, he should have...
I mean, he put a fucking...
unidentified
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Oh, flatten out.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
30 seconds to go.
Silva's in deep shit.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Eva Levine taking a close look.
eddie bravo
Damn.
brendan schaub
Eva Levine will let that shit go.
joe rogan
He's a good one for that.
He does let things go.
bryan callen
I may have Gustafson in my top five handsome guys.
joe rogan
That's a thing you have for Europeans.
That's not honest.
unidentified
He's a handsome dude, bro.
eddie bravo
Honestly, he's got a perfect Swedish face.
Perfect genetics.
joe rogan
But he's not really ripped.
He's not very muscular.
aubrey marcus
He kind of looks like that vampire from True Blood.
eddie bravo
He does.
tait fletcher
A dude's a dive piece.
bryan callen
See, you have to distinguish between women.
A dude is a dive piece.
eddie bravo
You know, in Sweden, for many years, they sterilize kids that didn't have perfectly symmetrical faces.
aubrey marcus
Is that a fact?
bryan callen
That's actually not true.
eddie bravo
Hey, that's some eugenics.
unidentified
That's why they're so good looking.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
eddie bravo
No, look into it.
You think that's crazy?
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
When you say look into it, did you look into it?
eddie bravo
I got on the internet!
bryan callen
My brother-in-law is from Sweden and his face is not at all symmetrical.
brendan schaub
Is that bad?
joe rogan
They had him in the woods and they kept him from the officials.
eddie bravo
That's how crazy it is.
You guys don't believe it.
tait fletcher
That's why they're so good looking.
joe rogan
Eddie, this is all you need to do.
Just Google it and pull up some studies and some peer-reviewed papers.
unidentified
Yeah, that's what we're doing.
That's what we did.
joe rogan
You got a phone right in front of you, brother.
Hey, I already did that shit.
unidentified
Hey, I started off the conversation with, this is what I heard.
eddie bravo
I didn't say, this is a fact.
But you said, look it up.
joe rogan
You said, look it up, but you haven't looked it up.
eddie bravo
I have, but I'm not saying it's true.
bryan callen
I have looked it up.
I don't know if it's bullshit.
eddie bravo
I don't know if it's bullshit.
I don't know.
But, you know what, if I had to choose right now...
joe rogan
DocSecret.com says...
bryan callen
They do say that Swedish jails are probably the best places to be if you get arrested.
eddie bravo
Google Swedish eugenics in like the 1930s.
brendan schaub
They're not doing that.
joe rogan
Don't do it until Eddie reads it first.
eddie bravo
Hey, I didn't say it was true.
I just said, hey, there's some rumors out there.
unidentified
There are some rumors.
eddie bravo
All right?
joe rogan
Here's the second round.
eddie bravo
That shit happened.
joe rogan
What if it's true?
Let's see if Eric and Silva can still keep his shit up in the second round.
eddie bravo
It explains Gustafsson.
bryan callen
Silva's hands are very low here.
It's very strange.
brendan schaub
That's how he fights.
This first, like, two minutes is super dangerous for Neil.
bryan callen
Silva looks like a different...
eddie bravo
Get him down.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Looking for that spinning back kick to the body but didn't land it.
bryan callen
He looks like he's so open to get punched right in the face.
eddie bravo
He doesn't look tired at all.
joe rogan
Well, he's got to think he must have done some serious cardio.
Or he's ignoring his faults.
eddie bravo
Magnet looks exhausted.
unidentified
Come on.
bryan callen
You're so controversial, Eddie.
joe rogan
Magni always looks exactly the same in every fight.
He's always in shape.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
What does he do for cardio?
brendan schaub
He just trains nonstop.
Then his strength coach, Lorne Lando, has him do all these sleds and frickin' sprints.
eddie bravo
Has he ever been knocked out?
brendan schaub
You know Magni?
No.
joe rogan
I saw him in the video with Kat Singano.
The video training?
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
They have a whole crew.
It's like Brandon Thatch, Kat Zingano.
unidentified
Oh, right.
eddie bravo
He got hurt.
Oh, look at that.
He's hurt.
joe rogan
He got hurt to the body there.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
That's where cardio comes into play, man.
You recover way faster.
eddie bravo
Even from...
joe rogan
How much of an advantage training at Denver, too, right?
Denver, that's got to be an advantage.
You know, that's one of the things I had a conversation with about Nowitzki.
I'm like, what about altitude tents?
How come they're not cheating?
How much of an advantage...
unidentified
No!
No!
tait fletcher
Good uppercut.
brendan schaub
But he had a good comeback, Joe, because he goes, I don't think it's that much of an advantage yet.
tait fletcher
He's saying it's not the same as EPO. When you travel, and then so you're in Vegas or wherever you're going to fight for a week, all that shit equalizes out in like three days.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
tait fletcher
I mean, all the benefits that you have of training at altitude.
joe rogan
Is that true?
tait fletcher
Dissipates.
unidentified
I don't think so.
tait fletcher
Within three days.
brendan schaub
I heard eight days.
But guess what I did, Tate?
I would bring a hyperbaric chamber with me.
joe rogan
I heard you guys, there's a thing called the internet, before you go on podcasts, and you say, I heard, maybe you should Google this fucking shit along with these goddamn eugenics studies.
brendan schaub
That's just ridiculous.
eddie bravo
Google Sweden eugenics.
joe rogan
Google Bigfoot.
Oregon Woods.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's why they're so beautiful.
bryan callen
Back kick.
eddie bravo
They cheated.
tait fletcher
Google dong life.
bryan callen
I'm gonna get a tattoo.
brendan schaub
Eric's putting it on right now, man.
bryan callen
Should I get a sleeve tattoo?
joe rogan
You should get something on your face.
Maybe teardrops or a heart.
eddie bravo
You should get knives everywhere.
joe rogan
You should do what Jason Ellis did.
Just tattoo the whole top of your head.
bryan callen
I'll have a different animal.
brendan schaub
Do a tiger.
bryan callen
Like a polar bear.
joe rogan
How about a seal?
tait fletcher
I think an octopus.
unidentified
A sea cucumber would be the dumbest because nobody would know what it is.
brendan schaub
It just looks like a big dick.
tait fletcher
Oh, he put a dildo on his head.
joe rogan
Does anybody have a snail tattoo?
eddie bravo
There's got to be dudes that are obsessed with snails.
Who studies snails?
Snail experts?
I like a good snail.
brendan schaub
I like a good snail myself.
unidentified
Get on that forum.
aubrey marcus
I like Googling the tattoos that incorporate body parts, like armpits or vaginas or like assholes.
bryan callen
Who's that right there?
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
That's Elliot Marshall and Christian Allen.
tait fletcher
Jesus, Brian.
bryan callen
Sorry.
joe rogan
Who's that?
Oh.
He's going to pass.
Oh.
Eric passing.
eddie bravo
Oh!
aubrey marcus
Oh!
eddie bravo
He's going to take a guillotine.
joe rogan
Oh!
brendan schaub
Look at Neil Magny!
eddie bravo
Holy shit, he turned it all around.
joe rogan
That was everything.
The wrist control was everything.
eddie bravo
You got a little Hunji right there.
joe rogan
Yep.
And look at this.
Nice narrow stance by Eric Silva.
Catch that breath, son.
bryan callen
Silva's legs look so different.
joe rogan
Yeah, his body looks different for sure.
brendan schaub
He doesn't look bad though.
joe rogan
But he's doing well in the fight.
It really could be that he changed up the way he trains.
And he does more conditioning stuff, aerobic stuff, than he does strength stuff.
brendan schaub
Physically, he does look different.
joe rogan
Cut or lost a weight.
You know, the other thing he's got to realize, or you've got to, we all do, is that he's a guy who cut a lot of weight to make 170. He probably realized, I can't fucking do that anymore without the IVs.
There's a lot of these guys that are going to have to lose a tremendous amount of weight.
They're going to have to lose like 10 pounds of muscle.
There's a lot of guys that are going to have to lose 10. They're going to be a different person.
Different fighter, different person, different results.
eddie bravo
Maybe it'll equal itself out, though, with less weight they had to cut because they already lost a lot of weight.
It might just even itself out.
unidentified
Maybe.
eddie bravo
Less torture to the body, less trauma to the body.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's possible.
That's super possible.
bryan callen
Does Neil Magno have a tough time losing weight?
brendan schaub
No.
He literally trains year-round like a gazelle.
Just running nonstop.
joe rogan
Never gets hurt in the gyms?
brendan schaub
Never.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
I know, man.
He lived with Nate Markhart for three years.
joe rogan
And sparred with him all the time?
brendan schaub
All the time.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Who do you think won the first round?
Because Eric Silva's got the second round.
brendan schaub
I think it's 1-1, probably.
bryan callen
Is he American?
Is he East African?
joe rogan
Well, Magny's an American.
brendan schaub
He's from Chicago.
joe rogan
And he was in the service.
I think guys that have been to war and guys that are in the military, there's a different consequence to your discipline.
Like a guy like Tim Kennedy.
He's got a different kind of discipline.
It's like a tried and tested in battle discipline.
I just think there's an advantage to having that.
You just don't see a lot of guys that have that high level discipline and military background get into MMA. You got like Colton Smith.
You got a few guys that have done it.
brendan schaub
Stan.
joe rogan
Stan, of course, but Stan and I think Tim Kennedy are the highest profile that fought at the highest level.
aubrey marcus
You don't have to worry about their mental game at all.
He also doesn't get nervous.
bryan callen
We were talking to him and his buddy was there and he said, you never see me nervous.
He doesn't get nervous, but it kind of makes sense for a guy like Tim Kennedy who's been through such extreme life and death circumstances.
And now it's just a fight, which means you'll break your nose or whatever.
And for him, it's a competition.
It's fun.
joe rogan
Well, what you were saying was the craziest fucking thing when you guys were revealing on your podcast that Kennedy is still involved in military operations.
bryan callen
Tip of the spear stuff.
joe rogan
That's fucking insane.
tait fletcher
He just got back from Columbia, I think, a couple weeks ago.
bryan callen
Tip of the spear.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
brendan schaub
Insane, man.
eddie bravo
That's crazier than his MMA career.
joe rogan
Well, he's in the UFC right now, and he's still involved in special ops shit.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
High level stuff.
bryan callen
It's fucking nuts, man.
Not like, you know.
tait fletcher
I mean, he talks about, when he talks about it, too, he's like, yeah, go on six missions a night.
Half of them are gunfights.
Like, shit's happening.
His best friend just died.
brendan schaub
His best friend died four days ago when we did the interview.
eddie bravo
In, like, some operation?
joe rogan
Yeah.
An operation he was involved in, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was he involved in that one?
bryan callen
He wasn't there.
joe rogan
He wasn't there for that one?
eddie bravo
Can he talk about that on your podcast?
tait fletcher
Yeah, he talked about it.
Do you think he's allowed to?
bryan callen
General.
tait fletcher
You can't reveal the details.
joe rogan
But it's amazing that he's still involved in those operations.
brendan schaub
It's insane, man.
eddie bravo
Eric Silva fucking him up.
Where's my money?
Where's my money?
joe rogan
Every time he kicks that, where's my money?
Where's my money?
When Tim Kennedy knocked out Rafael Natal at the military base, the fight for the troops, that was one of the most emotional moments I have ever seen any fighter ever experience inside the octagon.
It was incredible.
He jumped on top of the cage.
There was no cameras on him.
We had gone to commercial, and he was pointing to each individual people in the audience.
He just kept saying, I love you, I love you, I love all of you, I love you, I love you.
brendan schaub
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
They were screaming for him, and he was screaming for them.
There was a bond that he had with those people.
bryan callen
He talks about the level of bonding when you can smell somebody in the dark.
You know what they smell like in the dark.
That's what he said.
He goes, and you've been through life and death situations over and over again.
joe rogan
I don't think that's a big thing.
unidentified
Smell.
joe rogan
I'm trying to be dramatic right now.
unidentified
I'm just glad the dudes like that exist.
bryan callen
I'm glad that he exists.
They're the gatekeepers.
brendan schaub
You know what?
He's even a different athlete than Jon Jones or any of the top athletes in the UFC. He's a different type of dude.
joe rogan
Oh shit, Eric Silva!
Neil got cracked there.
Oh!
Neil Mackie comes back with a knee.
eddie bravo
You know, I'll tell you one thing.
If I was hanging out with Tate and Joe and one of them farted, I would know who farted.
That's all I'm going to say.
unidentified
In the dark?
eddie bravo
In the dark.
tait fletcher
Trust me, I would know.
eddie bravo
I know you're farting.
joe rogan
Mine might smell, but Tate's might kill you.
bryan callen
Yes, it's my time.
tait fletcher
That was a lot of the time, though.
That was, in my defense, that was when Eddie was my dietician.
And we would go to like 7-Eleven before we'd get on a plane and be like, ooh, this one's got malitol in it.
Let's get four of those.
Eat those and sit next to Joey Diaz.
bryan callen
And eat a bunch of kimchi.
joe rogan
Malitol apparently makes you fart.
Look at this, Eric Silva.
See, Magny, man, he just can keep that pace.
brendan schaub
The only time Magny's been in trouble, like where he got TKO'd, was on the Ultimate Fighter by Mike Ritchie.
But in his regular UFC career, he's really not been rocked.
No, because his cardio's so damn good.
joe rogan
How's Ritchie doing these days, man?
He's fighting somewhere else, right?
brendan schaub
He's fighting in Titan.
Yeah, how's he doing?
joe rogan
Is he doing well?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I think he's doing alright.
joe rogan
He's a talented kid.
brendan schaub
I always wondered why he never made it back to the UFC. Well, the UFC owns Titan now, right?
So he's fighting with Titan.
joe rogan
Is that a recent deal?
tait fletcher
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's not available on Fight Pass.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
Crazy, right?
It's like a feeder league.
joe rogan
It's kind of cool.
unidentified
And it's not just that.
joe rogan
It's Chuto Brazil's on Fight Pass now.
I think Jason Chambers is doing commentary for Chuto Brazil.
bryan callen
Jason called me.
I've got to text him.
brendan schaub
Right now?
bryan callen
Yeah, right now.
joe rogan
Don't do it right now.
bryan callen
All right, I won't now.
Jason, sorry.
joe rogan
One minute 50 to go here.
Neil Magny looking fresh as a daisy.
unidentified
Fresh?
joe rogan
Come on, he doesn't?
Neil Magny looks fresh as a daisy.
tait fletcher
He looks like he's shopping at Whole Foods right now.
joe rogan
He's in such fucking good shape.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That fucking, look at this.
Easy takedown.
Easy wilting.
The wilting Eric Silva.
bryan callen
Long legs.
joe rogan
This is a big difference between Neil Magny and Eric Silva as far as how much he can keep this up.
It's crazy, that cardio, man.
That is nuts.
eddie bravo
Oh, beautiful!
Take down, my friend!
bryan callen
Take down!
tait fletcher
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Is that an Uchimata?
brendan schaub
You know what?
eddie bravo
That just equalized that shit right there.
Hell yeah.
Stay on top, kid.
tait fletcher
Here we go.
unidentified
Look at that.
brendan schaub
You're right the first time.
eddie bravo
Nice.
Hey, they equalize each other.
joe rogan
Sort of.
eddie bravo
And so far, Eric Silva landed way more shots.
joe rogan
Oh, you're crazy.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
They showed the numbers.
It's not even close.
tait fletcher
And also, when Maggie just took him down, he hammered him five or six times.
eddie bravo
No, he didn't.
tait fletcher
And zero strikes here.
eddie bravo
What fight are you watching?
tait fletcher
I googled eugenics in Sweden.
joe rogan
In the middle of googling eugenics in Sweden, I occasionally looked up when Eric Silva was on a rampage.
tait fletcher
Head down like that.
That's a good setup.
eddie bravo
I get my information at the library, guys.
I go to the library.
joe rogan
Who goes to the library?
eddie bravo
I go to the library.
brendan schaub
You guys get your information from the internet.
eddie bravo
I go to the library.
joe rogan
I love how you say the internet as if it's all the same source.
eddie bravo
I go to the library.
I read books.
joe rogan
There's very different websites on the internet.
bryan callen
Neil is just accurate.
Look at that.
eddie bravo
When was the last time somebody went to the library?
joe rogan
Some guy asked me the other day if I wanted to have someone who's a flat earth proponent.
He's apparently the best arguer for a flat earth.
unidentified
Come on, bro.
eddie bravo
I want to hear that.
I want to hear that argument.
What can they possibly say?
joe rogan
No fucking way.
They're either trolling or retarded.
unidentified
Trolling.
Yes.
eddie bravo
You know the one thing that's weird?
Of course it's true, but the one thing that's fucking weird is you would think with all the satellites we have going in and out of our solar system, and how come there's no pictures of the Earth?
Good point.
joe rogan
There are pictures of the Earth.
So many pictures of the Earth.
Good point.
tait fletcher
No, I'm with you.
eddie bravo
Hey, I don't know!
tait fletcher
It's a fact, huh, Brian?
unidentified
Google pictures of the Earth.
bryan callen
Do it.
tait fletcher
You're going to see Earth.
brendan schaub
Around Earth.
eddie bravo
You're going to see CGI cartoon.
You would think there would be all these weird pictures of the sun here, the moon here, the Earth there, the sun here.
There would be thousands of them.
unidentified
I have one of those in my Trapper Keeper when I was a kid.
joe rogan
First of all, with the satellites, they're all inside of 400 miles, most of them at least.
And then when you get past that, they usually don't take pictures.
They take a few.
eddie bravo
You don't think they would take a bunch of pictures of Earth?
joe rogan
They show the Earth when it's like a little tiny dot in the distance.
eddie bravo
Hey, if I'm wrong and there is like thousands of pictures of Earth, there's just all these weird, like, the sun here, the moon here, then hey, I don't know.
I didn't research it.
bryan callen
These people are Earthists.
They're all Earthists.
Why are you arguing with me?
eddie bravo
I didn't research it.
joe rogan
But to have a satellite that far out and take pictures, they've only sent a few of those out there.
They've only sent a couple different satellites that deep into space.
eddie bravo
No, but sure, there is hundreds of pictures on the internet that you can see of the Earth with the sun in the background, the moon over here, sun in the moon, moon-sun, from this angle.
joe rogan
But, Eddie, you can see the Earth rounded from space.
brendan schaub
I'm going to need you to send this round out, Eddie.
Maybe I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Maybe has never been the worst way of beginning that statement.
eddie bravo
I just want to see pictures of Earth.
I just want to see pictures of Earth from space.
bryan callen
Where are that?
brendan schaub
Where are that?
unidentified
I hope this is all bullshit, for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, I hope.
brendan schaub
Usually I can kind of hear you out, Eddie, but...
Yeah, the Earth is so round.
joe rogan
A bunch of photos.
eddie bravo
Aren't those on cartoon photos?
joe rogan
There's the one that they faked in the Apollo 11 moon missions.
tait fletcher
How did that happen?
eddie bravo
Wait, who won?
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
Bring me my money, Eddie.
Neil Magni brings it home.
unidentified
Double or nothing Olivero Holloway?
brendan schaub
I got Holloway for a grand.
joe rogan
This is the amazing shit.
The pictures of Earth from like...
tait fletcher
That could be flat.
joe rogan
Space station type shit.
tait fletcher
That could be flat.
joe rogan
That could be flat.
eddie bravo
Okay.
There's a bunch of pictures.
Okay.
unidentified
Fuck.
aubrey marcus
Is that the guy that did that?
The high-altitude jump?
Is that what that is, Joe?
bryan callen
I think it is.
brendan schaub
The Red Bull guy?
eddie bravo
That's the Red Bull guy right there?
brendan schaub
Eddie, did you ditch third grade?
unidentified
Now, did you take that day off when we were talking about Earth?
eddie bravo
Alright.
bryan callen
Alright, whatever you say.
joe rogan
I love it.
eddie bravo
Goddammit!
Maybe I'll just pay you $1,000.
brendan schaub
Double or nothing, man.
eddie bravo
Maybe I'll just pay you $1,000.
joe rogan
You don't want to keep going?
eddie bravo
Dude, $2,000 off some stupid fucking bet?
joe rogan
Well, you could just do the Halle Gravesy method and just pay him in private lessons.
tait fletcher
That's pretty good.
Two private lessons.
eddie bravo
Be nice, dude.
joe rogan
That is being nice.
eddie bravo
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Isn't it?
eddie bravo
It's not his fault.
joe rogan
It's not?
tait fletcher
No, it's all his fault.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
I don't know who to believe.
brendan schaub
I don't know what's going on.
eddie bravo
Let's not start shit here.
It's not his fault.
joe rogan
So Brian tried poaching athletes from EBI. I knew that.
brendan schaub
It's still going on?
I thought you settled that.
eddie bravo
Settled what?
brendan schaub
I thought you guys are cool now.
eddie bravo
Fuck no.
Fuck no.
brendan schaub
Really?
Because I heard you guys were cool.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
I'm not gonna, like, fucking stalk him or anything like that.
joe rogan
Hey, how come he stopped using the crowd?
How come he stopped using the crowd for Hannah Morris?
unidentified
Cheaper.
brendan schaub
He does it in Black House so that they don't have a big overhead now.
So they just get pay-per-view.
joe rogan
Smart.
Think about it.
eddie bravo
That's terrible.
unidentified
That's like doing stand-up with no audience.
eddie bravo
That's like having a concert.
Let's have a fucking festival, but let's not have the audience.
unidentified
I think that was a terrible idea.
joe rogan
Can you imagine doing stand-up with no audience?
Always been practicing in this room.
I'm thinking about doing it alone.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Just you alone.
joe rogan
Just me, no opening act.
tait fletcher
No camera.
joe rogan
No camera.
I'm just going to record it on my iPhone.
eddie bravo
If you have a show, if you have an event, and nobody shows up, and no one shows up to be in the audience, no matter what happens, that show sucks.
You know what I mean?
But he's making that happen because he wants it.
He's doing it purposely.
tait fletcher
I would say, especially with as boring as a lot of his matches are, that it's nice if you could pan down and go, God, there's Hicks and Gracie.
Or...
I don't think it's a good move.
It's a nice thing to fill.
eddie bravo
We're talking about what the UFC should do, what the commission should do, and what this show should do.
I don't think that's a good move for Metamorris.
I want Metamorris to succeed.
I competed in Metamorris.
It's a good thing that we have all these shows.
I'm not against Metamorris.
I just think he's making bad decisions.
That's what I really believe.
brendan schaub
And I think the majority agrees with you.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you know, and I would love that there's a show out there and there's going to be super fights being put on.
I'm not against that shit.
joe rogan
It's great for Jiu-Jitsu.
eddie bravo
It's not going to affect EBI at all.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about EBI, though.
You've thrown a monkey wrench in the whole game with those overtime scenarios.
It makes everything so much better.
You know, first I was like, how is this going to work?
When you tell me about it, I didn't have the vision.
But then the first time I went and saw it live, I went, that's the way.
tait fletcher
It's so powerful.
joe rogan
It's the way.
Because you would go through these matches, they would hit 20 minutes, there would be no finish, and that would be the end of it.
But now, there's a finish in a lot of those matches.
And if there's no finish, it's still crazy.
Because you're almost getting finished.
Because you're starting off in a three-quarter position.
You're starting off with your back tape.
tait fletcher
It's the best grappling show I've ever been to.
joe rogan
It's by far the best grappling show.
It's the solution to the problem of grappling.
brendan schaub
Everyone tells me it's boring.
tait fletcher
It is amazing.
joe rogan
Eddie nailed it.
tait fletcher
There's no hiding there in that.
joe rogan
It's not just no hiding.
You're put in danger.
You're put in danger.
Like, everybody gets put in danger.
eddie bravo
I don't want people to go to overtime and the people, most of the reviews have 90% no shit have been super positive.
It's incredible.
I can't believe it.
joe rogan
That's amazing when you look at the internet.
eddie bravo
1, 2, 3, 4. It's incredible.
Just nothing but positive, positive, positive, positive.
And occasionally people will say, I hate the overtime rounds.
They suck.
Because it's not fair that we put, you know, you're going to get a guy who couldn't pass the guard and couldn't get his back naturally.
Now you're going to take me to overtime and And you're going to put that guy on the back who couldn't earn that on his own?
Like, who cares?
We're just trying to make it exciting.
It's gangster.
I want you to hate overtime.
joe rogan
You know what's really funny?
You hear that argument a lot of times from wrestlers.
It's so ironic because wrestling, they'll start on their knees with a guy behind them with one hand on their waist.
What are you talking about?
You start in a disadvantageous position all the time.
It's a big part of high school and college wrestling.
brendan schaub
But Eddie, you didn't lose any of your competitors, right?
You guys are all good now.
joe rogan
No, he did.
eddie bravo
I did.
Oh, you did pull one.
He went after EBI. When EBI 3 was announced, it was the 170 welterweight and the returning champion was Gary Tonin.
He was coming back for sure.
Dylan Dennis, who I didn't even know who Dylan Dennis was, to be honest with you.
I don't really keep up with what's going on in the gi, IBJJF shit.
I really don't.
You have to be a superstar for me to know who you are.
So Dylan Dennis comes to me.
He comes to my school and says, I want to go into EBI. I want to go against Gary Tonin.
I think I can beat him.
And I didn't even know who he was.
I go, I can't promise you anything, but let me look into you.
And he came and he trained.
And I looked into him like, holy shit, this guy is a Phenom, freak, brown belt, who's killing everybody in absolute...
He just went in gold after gold, just tapping everybody.
I'm like, hell fucking yes.
Texted him and go, you're in, son.
And then they started talking shit.
Gary Tonin and Dylan Dennis on the internet, on Facebook.
I hope I get you in the first round.
So there was some hype building.
I'm like, this is fucking perfect.
And then Hallett comes in and offers Dylan Dennis and Gary Tonin Exclusive contracts.
Dylan bought a bit and Gary said, fuck no.
So, he almost got them both.
Both my top seeds.
He almost got them both.
And I was already hyping the show.
He got Dylan, but he didn't get Gary, thank God.
The show went off and Gary ended up winning and it was a great show and it got great reviews, but But if Gary would have agreed to this, you know, and what Halleck says is, anytime anybody brings this up, he just distracts everybody and says, hey, the UFC does exclusive contracts.
I'm just doing what the UFC's doing.
It's like, it's not about exclusive contracts.
You specifically went after my top two guys in my show, and you tried to ruin my show.
But the UFC, you talk shit on the UFC, then the UFC does that.
tait fletcher
What an arrogant guy to think also that you are the UFC. You're not.
You're a guy dying of scarcity.
Stop it.
eddie bravo
I thought we were cool.
I actually thought me and Halleck were cool.
I thought we were working together.
I thought, hey, you need submission specialists for your show.
Your show gets a lot of bad reviews because of the boredom.
That's the big problem with jiu-jitsu, just like Joe was saying.
Jiu-jitsu is like, how do you remove the boredom from it?
Because it's like playing chess.
A lot of people are really into chess.
It's a very complicated, sophisticated little game, but you're not going to put it You'll never have it on Fox.
Although the game has a lot of prestige and a lot of respect behind it, but you're never going to see it on TV. Jiu Jitsu is exactly the same way.
Gi Jiu Jitsu is very intricate, very sophisticated, beautiful, the way they're using the Gi to control body, but you're just not gonna put it on TV. It's just too much holding.
It's just not gonna happen.
You can't put, it's like chess.
bryan callen
Even guys who know Jiu Jitsu, I noticed when I've been at Metamorphosis.
eddie bravo
Black belts don't even like matches.
They don't even watch it.
They don't even watch it.
Black belt legends don't even keep track of the Mundials.
So that's the problem right there.
You've got to recognize it and go, okay, if we want a show, if we want jiu-jitsu to, let's say, get on TV or get to the highest platform possible, we've got to do everything possible to remove...
The big problem.
The boredom.
The stalling.
bryan callen
What would you suggest?
Would you suggest points for, like, I don't know.
eddie bravo
Never points.
Never points.
No matter what point system you come up with, it's a point is a point is a point.
If passing the guard is one point or it's 15 points, it's still you're up, and now there's no urgency to make the move.
Your coaches are going, slow down.
You've got a minute left.
Don't do shit.
unidentified
Don't try to fuck you.
eddie bravo
You pass the guard.
Don't do nothing.
Don't do nothing.
The coaching is stalling.
The athlete, if he's smart, he's stalling.
bryan callen
I feel like you can have five minutes.
That's too short.
eddie bravo
You can't have any point system.
bryan callen
Eddie, you did it.
eddie bravo
You can't have any point system.
unidentified
You figured it out.
You fixed it.
eddie bravo
You've got to eliminate the points.
You've got anything.
brendan schaub
Cal's talking about points over here.
God damn it.
bryan callen
Sorry, guys.
tait fletcher
Karate background.
It's got to be submission only.
bryan callen
Taekwondo, bud.
eddie bravo
And there had to be an overtime that determined a winner.
bryan callen
You fixed it.
unidentified
That's all.
eddie bravo
You win, Eddie.
brendan schaub
What's the next show?
eddie bravo
December 13th.
unidentified
Austin, Texas.
eddie bravo
December 13th.
aubrey marcus
Austin, Texas.
eddie bravo
This one's going to be a special one.
I can't...
I'm still piecing it together.
I can't really talk about it.
It's way too early.
Yes.
tait fletcher
EBI 5. You can see EBI... Is it true that Halleck's going to compete in yours?
eddie bravo
It's absolutely true.
He's going against Brennan Schub.
tait fletcher
Putting this out on Twitter.
Putting this out on Twitter.
unidentified
Tweet it!
bryan callen
Tweet it!
eddie bravo
It's so easy.
All I'm trying to do, I'm just trying to make jujitsu entertaining for the masses.
brendan schaub
And you're doing it.
eddie bravo
That's all I'm trying to do.
brendan schaub
But hey, Eddie, you're about to lose two grand on this main event, my man.
eddie bravo
I didn't agree to that.
bryan callen
You got glasses on, bro.
I love that he's wearing glasses right now.
eddie bravo
You know what?
Fuck it.
Will you take a check?
Will you take a check?
brendan schaub
Cash or a check, my man?
eddie bravo
You will take a check?
brendan schaub
For sure.
eddie bravo
Because I don't have the cash.
joe rogan
It's kind of weird that Oliveira comes out with glasses on.
eddie bravo
Okay, we'll do it.
joe rogan
You would think that, you know...
aubrey marcus
If he has vision issues, he should have corrected that.
joe rogan
Are they that bad?
I mean, it's weird that his vision issues are so bad that he wants to wear his glasses up until the time he gets in the octagon.
eddie bravo
He's probably getting paid for it.
brendan schaub
You know Justin Gaethje?
He's the World Series of Fighting world champ at 170. 55, right?
55, yeah.
He has these glasses.
You take him off, he couldn't recognize you.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
He has to squint so bad.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Was it something he was born with?
brendan schaub
No, he just has horrible eyes.
So you have to wear glasses.
aubrey marcus
Do fighters not fight with contacts?
brendan schaub
You have to tell the condition.
unidentified
They can't fight with contacts or LASIK. They used to fight with contacts.
Really?
What?
bryan callen
Not with LASIK either?
brendan schaub
No.
They ask if you've had it.
It's supposed to be banned, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, LASIK, there's two different ways of doing it.
And LASIK is the most vulnerable way.
There's another way of doing it that it takes longer to heal.
And it's like actual surgery.
brendan schaub
It starts with a P, right?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
There's two different...
I might be even saying wrong about Lasix is more vulnerable.
But there's two different ways.
And the more common way, you're not supposed to have contact sports.
Because if you get rocked, that stitching or the tearing, wherever the cut, the scar tissue, could open up and you're fucked.
bryan callen
Now he's crying.
aubrey marcus
Look at how emotional he is.
brendan schaub
That's usually a bad sign.
aubrey marcus
He was like in Rapture.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's probably listening to some Jesus music or something.
bryan callen
Do you know why it doesn't hurt when they laser your eyes?
joe rogan
Legit point, right?
brendan schaub
Legit point.
joe rogan
Why?
Why doesn't it hurt?
bryan callen
You don't believe you have nerve endings in your eyes.
joe rogan
You know why I believe that?
Because when I go in the cryo chamber, my eyes never hurt.
They don't even get cold.
tait fletcher
You're burning them with lasers, and you're awake.
You're conscious.
brendan schaub
I had LASIK. It was pretty freaky, my man.
tait fletcher
Freaky, but not painful.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
You had LASIK, and you can't fight anymore, then?
brendan schaub
Well, no.
I never told him I did it.
joe rogan
Well, you just did, you fuck.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tait fletcher
Now it's over.
brendan schaub
What am I gonna do?
tait fletcher
First Reebok, now this!
joe rogan
Dude, they're gonna sue you.
MMA media, Brendan Schaub lies under oath about LASIK. I got it when I was playing football.
Oh my God, so you lied a lot.
brendan schaub
And then when they asked, I said, no.
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
What are you going to do now?
bryan callen
Maybe you're kidding about getting a license.
You might be kidding about getting it.
I think you're kidding about it.
brendan schaub
Maybe I'm lying.
joe rogan
Maybe he's lying.
This is all for entertainment, folks.
brendan schaub
That's it.
joe rogan
I don't really think Conor McGregor doesn't have the legitimate, international, intermediate, intermittent belts.
brendan schaub
You're crazy.
I don't think that's a headline.
joe rogan
I got my hope against a headline.
I want to keep this party going.
brendan schaub
Literally all of them are like...
joe rogan
We got record downloads last time.
eddie bravo
Is it possible for...
joe rogan
Our downloads can't get any bigger.
bryan callen
I better start doing some research.
joe rogan
We're getting millions of downloads for this show.
bryan callen
Jesus.
eddie bravo
Is it possible for Joey Diaz to do an impression of Conor McGregor?
Is that even possible?
joe rogan
Yeah, it would be possible.
Joey would have to watch him, but if Joey...
eddie bravo
No, I'm talking about you doing an impression of Joey doing an impression of Conor McGregor.
joe rogan
We're not here to take pot, cocksucker.
We're here to take over.
eddie bravo
Who's done what I've done?
joe rogan
Who's done what I've done?
Who the fuck has done what I've done?
I'm doing this shit for Ireland, dog!
What the fuck?
eddie bravo
Think about what I've done.
joe rogan
What the fuck, Eddie Bravo?
I love how he calls your full name.
Brendan Sharp.
What's going on, Brendan Sharp?
eddie bravo
Joe does the best.
Joe is old school.
bryan callen
Joe's impressions are world class.
And if you've ever heard him do a Porsche or a Rottweiler, it's about as good as it gets.
Can you do a Porsche right now?
unidentified
Or a pair.
eddie bravo
What's a Porsche?
joe rogan
No, Porsche.
bryan callen
Come on, please.
eddie bravo
911?
bryan callen
Come on.
joe rogan
No.
Hold on.
bryan callen
I'll tell you what.
He does an amazing bear.
He does a sick Grizzly.
He does a sick Kodiak and a sick Rockwell.
joe rogan
I can do a couple noises.
eddie bravo
I got a good grizzly too.
unidentified
That's that?
brendan schaub
Your grizzly's inhaling.
joe rogan
That's a monster.
eddie bravo
That's the abdominal snowman.
joe rogan
That's that bitch from that movie, was it The Ring?
eddie bravo
That's actually Bigfoot.
That's actually Bigfoot.
joe rogan
That's the real Bigfoot?
bryan callen
That's Noguera's joints when he wakes up in the morning.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Didn't you say that Noguera has to have someone work on his back for over an hour before he actually works out?
brendan schaub
Warm-ups, yeah.
joe rogan
What does he do?
eddie bravo
He gets a Thai girl to walk on his hamstrings.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he has to do all sorts of stuff.
And everyone told me when I was fighting, I'd be like, bro, don't worry, it takes him an hour just to get ready.
I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Wow.
This is a great fucking fight we're about to watch here.
It's a good fight.
By the way, how fun are these goddamn fight companions?
brendan schaub
The best, man.
joe rogan
I was looking forward to this all day.
I was immersed in girl activities, my daughters and my wives, all this girl, girl, girl shit, and I'm looking at that clock in six hours.
I get to be a man.
I get to be a man again!
eddie bravo
Dude, it's almost over.
We got 15 minutes of manhood.
joe rogan
We can talk manly shit, talk shit to each other.
tait fletcher
Brian's gonna take us to dinner.
joe rogan
Dude, I watched The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills today.
I was working out in my little gym, and it was on, and I watched it, and watched these bitches scream at each other, and watched these girls turn at each other, and I'm like, how bizarre is this behavior, and how bizarre are these women?
brendan schaub
I'll watch that shit.
I will watch that shit.
tait fletcher
I just saw a new one advertised.
The hot girls of Las Vegas, or the hot wives of Las Vegas.
brendan schaub
You're talking about wags.
Wives and girlfriends of celebrities?
tait fletcher
No, man.
I just saw it on a bus the other day.
Hot Wives in Las Vegas.
brendan schaub
That's on VH1, son.
joe rogan
There's probably so many shows.
unidentified
It's nice because they're tired of wives.
tait fletcher
Nobody wants that anymore.
joe rogan
Well, if they fight, it's good.
tait fletcher
Here's an old beat-up bitch that's torturing some poor guy that sucked into this existence.
Sorry, nobody wants to see the hot housewives.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
bryan callen
Tate Fletcher has spoken.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
People getting drowned.
eddie bravo
This is very important.
joe rogan
So who's up right now?
Who's up?
brendan schaub
Somebody just posted the main event.
joe rogan
But who was up in the betting here between you two?
Oh, me.
tait fletcher
He's going to owe him $3,000.
joe rogan
On which fight?
brendan schaub
Double or nothing now.
unidentified
Double or nothing.
joe rogan
Would you bet on Magni?
Did you bet on the Magni fight?
brendan schaub
Yeah, Magni.
joe rogan
You won $1,000 from the Magni fight?
brendan schaub
No, no, $500.
eddie bravo
Nah, betting another $1,000.
brendan schaub
But we had another $500.
eddie bravo
I'm going under.
brendan schaub
Because remember, Joe, I won the $500 on Glover OSB fight.
eddie bravo
I'm fucked here.
joe rogan
Damn, you bet against Glover.
What do you guys think about Glover vs Pat Collins?
It's a tough fight.
What do you think about that fight?
bryan callen
Two sick wrestlers.
eddie bravo
Maybe we keep double or nothing until I win.
brendan schaub
That's too much for Pat.
Is that cool?
bryan callen
Too much for Pat as in just Glover?
joe rogan
That's a big statement about how you feel about Glover.
brendan schaub
I love Pat, man.
I love Pat.
He's my closest training partner when I was fighting, you know?
If I could pick a horrible matchup for him, it would be Glover.
I don't know how he's going to win, man.
And that breaks my heart to say it.
joe rogan
Super impressed with Glover vs.
OSP. Super impressed.
bryan callen
A veteran, man.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
bryan callen
Sits from the cut, like, relaxed.
Here it goes.
Oh, you're an amazing athlete with those crazy kicks?
That's fine.
brendan schaub
Well, not the only chance, but a good chance that Pat can mimic is when he fought Phil Davis in Brazil.
But that was a Glover who was kind of like all worn down, was like eating fucking just veggies or some shit.
joe rogan
Also, he was coming off of that, he's only eating veggies?
brendan schaub
I made that up.
He looked like shit.
joe rogan
He was coming off the Jon Jones fight, and he hurt his shoulder pretty bad in that fight.
I don't know what he did to fix it.
He never went through surgery.
brendan schaub
He didn't look good.
Remember Phil just hung on him, wore him out?
So, I mean, Pat could do that for sure.
joe rogan
He was training for that fight in Connecticut in a garage, remember?
brendan schaub
Like by himself.
joe rogan
Yeah, they heard the countdown shows, and they showed him riding a stationary bike, listening to ABBA. And that's it.
bryan callen
What was like 37?
unidentified
That's it.
bryan callen
Is he 37?
joe rogan
Glover is not young.
He looks every bit of 45. This is not 37 from six years ago when you could do stuff and get away with it.
This is a legit 37. And that's not good.
Legit 37 is every boxer that's ever been good ever except for George Foreman is done.
bryan callen
These guys are the same guy.
joe rogan
Except Bernard Hopkins.
But we don't know what Bernard Hopkins is doing as far as growth and stuff like that.
brendan schaub
If people don't think he's ever taken something, you're fucking crazy.
At 50?
joe rogan
He's 50. He's 50 and he's still winning.
unidentified
Who's 50?
joe rogan
Bernard Hopkins.
And by the way, his body does look different.
bryan callen
It does look different.
But that may be, in many ways, one of the greatest sporting feats we've seen before.
joe rogan
Period.
You know what else is good, too?
He doesn't seem to be diminished as far as his ability to talk.
unidentified
He's a very good announcer.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a good announcer.
joe rogan
Not bad.
bryan callen
He's never been hurt.
Remember that.
unidentified
He's very good for being 50. Yeah.
joe rogan
For a fighter, yes.
bryan callen
He's never been hurt.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Here we go, Max Holloway and Oliveira.
See, I feel like Oliveira is more technical, standing up, and I think he's way better on the ground.
But I think Holloway is so damn scrappy.
tait fletcher
Yeah, he lets it go.
joe rogan
He's so confident, and he's so wild.
Like, right there, I love that.
Right hook to the body, and then straight left afterwards.
I was just so impressed with the way he took it to Cub, kept moving, wore him out, hurt him a couple times, almost finished him once, and then finished him again.
bryan callen
Look at the body shots, though.
He's going right to the body like that.
joe rogan
He's an animal, man.
Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker.
And the other thing about Holloway is he's young.
brendan schaub
Super young.
joe rogan
23. When you get a guy like that, you're seeing him every six months.
You're seeing a way better version.
Look at his defense.
Look at that defense.
bryan callen
Crazy.
joe rogan
So you can't even judge him by who he used to be six months ago.
brendan schaub
Agreed.
joe rogan
Because he's probably way better now.
brendan schaub
I think Charles is more dangerous.
I just think Max is...
I think he puts it together better.
That's why I think Mack's going to win.
tait fletcher
I think he just throws it all out there.
He's like, I'm just going to put all my training together.
I'm going to throw everything at him right now.
I'm not wasting shots.
Caution to the wind.
bryan callen
I'm having TJ Burrell flashbacks.
joe rogan
They have a common opponent, Cub Swanson.
Cub Swanson lit Charles Oliveira on fire.
And Max Holloway...
Yeah...
He stopped him early in the first round.
And then, of course, Max Holloway just got the biggest win.
eddie bravo
Damn, he pulled a card.
brendan schaub
Something was wrong with Cub when they fought.
Didn't he get hurt in the first round?
I'm not taking anything away from Max.
What happened?
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
unidentified
His fight's over.
Broke his collarbone?
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
tait fletcher
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Oh, no way.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Pay me my money.
eddie bravo
Damn!
tait fletcher
One can't put his arm down at her.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
joe rogan
What's going on there, man?
aubrey marcus
He dislocated his shoulder.
unidentified
The camera pulled away from him immediately.
joe rogan
Wow, powerful Max Holloway.
aubrey marcus
That's too bad.
It would have been fun to see him go.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was shaping up to be an interesting fight, but Holloway was teeing up on him already.
tait fletcher
God damn.
joe rogan
I think I just lost 20 bucks.
bryan callen
Yeah, man, you did.
eddie bravo
I'm down 2,000.
brendan schaub
Eddie lost 2 grand.
tait fletcher
Look at this.
unidentified
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
His collarbone is shattered.
Oh fuck, man.
brendan schaub
What's up, Bomber?
You don't want to see that go out like that.
Can we get a replay or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Give us some volume, son.
unidentified
Give us some volume, you know, Jamie, so we can find out what they're saying.
aubrey marcus
Why are his wings tattooed differently?
joe rogan
One's a devil, one's an angel, bro.
brendan schaub
Obviously.
tait fletcher
He's not sure where he's going.
bryan callen
He just stopped and went, I'm done.
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's a smart dude.
He must have known something was cracked.
tait fletcher
Write my check, he says.
joe rogan
Well, you can't ask for a performance bonus for that.
Guy got injured.
brendan schaub
Definitely not.
joe rogan
That's kind of silly.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer.
joe rogan
Let's see what happened here.
Although, it was an interesting fight.
So he shoots him and hits the fucking...
tait fletcher
Pulls it up, rips his shoulder.
brendan schaub
Oh, he hurt it right there?
joe rogan
Right there.
Yeah, look, look, look, look, look, look.
tait fletcher
No, no, no.
joe rogan
No?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is something else.
This is something else.
Oh, no, no, no.
He gets up.
Yep, yep, that's it.
tait fletcher
Something pulled a little bit.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Eddie, that's off.
I'm not going to charge you too bad for that.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a beautiful person.
Look at this.
So he's been shooting for the takedown.
Shooting for the takedown.
tait fletcher
I would think he broke it, and then he didn't really feel the extent of it until he stood up.
joe rogan
Well, let's be quiet.
Let's give us some volume.
Maybe we can hear.
Jamie, give us more volume.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You know what?
eddie bravo
I'll take whatever bet.
You make the next bet, and it'll be double or nothing.
You pick.
joe rogan
Let's hear what they're saying.
eddie bravo
Main event.
joe rogan
Hold on, shh.
tait fletcher
I don't know where Sean Shelby went, but I'll find them.
Let's circle a date, put these two back on, and put them back in a main event.
Let's run this one back.
unidentified
Yeah, stung silence here in Saskatoon.
tait fletcher
And hopefully Oliveira.
brendan schaub
That's weird.
joe rogan
It seems like he's grabbing his neck, man.
tait fletcher
That's a collarbone thing though, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, it's fucked up that his nose started bleeding immediately when he did that.
eddie bravo
Shit.
bryan callen
It doesn't look good, guys.
It doesn't look like...
brendan schaub
Yeah, no shit.
joe rogan
That was a neck thing.
It wasn't like his collarbone.
brendan schaub
His coach kept going like this.
Behind him kept going like this.
bryan callen
Carotid artery or something.
Fuck.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer.
That doesn't count.
All bets off on that.
joe rogan
Well, you're a beautiful person.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because Eddie Bravo would have stuffed it right up your ass.
I want to do the same thing.
brendan schaub
That's not a real fight.
eddie bravo
That's not a real fight.
joe rogan
Well, it was a real fight, but I'll tell you what, I was super impressed with Holloway before that.
Before the ending, he was really landing some nice shots.
He was bringing it in.
tait fletcher
Moving really well, staying safe.
joe rogan
Motherfuckers getting better.
He could be the champ.
Holloway could be the champ.
brendan schaub
I agree.
He's my dark horse in that division.
eddie bravo
What's the next UFC? Dodson Johnson?
brendan schaub
Well, it has to be on a companion, though.
eddie bravo
Okay.
brendan schaub
So we gotta figure it out.
unidentified
Damn.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
Damn.
What a fucking...
brendan schaub
His fucking collarbone fell off.
joe rogan
Well, we hope that's what happened.
I'm nervous that he was grabbing his neck.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm nervous that his neck's fucked up.
aubrey marcus
Is there any truth to that?
You can get hit in the neck there, like judo shots.
eddie bravo
Those judo shots.
aubrey marcus
And get fucked up.
eddie bravo
You saw The Man of Mystery.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
eddie bravo
Austin Powers.
bryan callen
You can get hit in the neck and knocked out.
joe rogan
Oh, well, for sure.
bryan callen
Kicks.
joe rogan
Holy cow.
eddie bravo
In the movies with the gun, they take the gun and go pshh.
joe rogan
That's gotta be real.
brendan schaub
Aubrey's talking about like the judo chop and hit them and they pass out, right?
aubrey marcus
Well, apparently there's that movie about that cult leader that just came out and he killed somebody with judo chops, apparently.
The Source Family?
brendan schaub
Really?
aubrey marcus
This is the guy from the Source Family, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what that is.
aubrey marcus
He killed a guy with judo chops and then started a cult with a bunch of hot chicks who wore white and he banged them all.
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
bryan callen
There are no chops in judo, but you know what I mean?
We always say that.
aubrey marcus
It's in the newspaper clip.
tait fletcher
In old judo, there was Brian.
joe rogan
Well, I saw the Flintstones and they said, Fred Flintstone said, a judo, a judo, a chop, chop, chop.
brendan schaub
No, it comes from Austin Powers.
Judo, chop.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It does not.
tait fletcher
It comes from Fred Flintstone.
brendan schaub
My decade, it comes from Austin Powers.
joe rogan
Austin Powers is a thief.
He stole that shit from Fred Flintstone.
aubrey marcus
Look up Source Family judo chops.
Alright, perfect.
eddie bravo
Judo chops.
joe rogan
Hey, let's hear it.
Give us some volume.
Give us some volume.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer, man.
joe rogan
Volume.
Let's hear the official...
brendan schaub
set of nipples on him.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
Why are they calling that TKO? That's ridiculous.
tait fletcher
Why not medical stoppage?
joe rogan
Well, do they revise that if they find out what happened to his neck?
tait fletcher
I don't know.
joe rogan
Or his collarbone or whatever?
eddie bravo
Let's see what he says.
unidentified
Hey, you know, I want to do like BJ and be the champ.
joe rogan
Bring it home.
unidentified
in every wake glass so what what what is going on with Olivera We don't know what the hell...
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm trying to see it.
joe rogan
Fuck, now that's scary, him saying that?
brendan schaub
Kenny Florence says Charles Olivia hurt his neck when he went headfirst into the cage.
unidentified
Whoa.
brendan schaub
For sure, he better not have stopped because it was Stinger.
Lose my number if you stopped because it was Stinger.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Lose my number.
He doesn't have your number.
First of all, he doesn't even speak English.
brendan schaub
You'd be surprised.
joe rogan
So if he called, he'd be like...
You'd be surprised.
You talk a lot of shits about Brazil.
tait fletcher
On the Brazilian internet, they released all his information so everybody can hate him.
brendan schaub
Oh, I get death threats from Brazilians all the time.
eddie bravo
One of the coolest moments was, you know, working for the UFC, you're running into these famous fighters all the time, and when Noguera first came over, we started talking, and we exchanged numbers, and I thought it was the craziest shit that I'm exchanging numbers with fucking Noguera.
It was so weird.
We've never, like, exchanged any texts or anything after that.
It was kind of like this, but it was...
Really strange.
joe rogan
You know who I said that Sam Stout retired?
tait fletcher
Yeah.
brendan schaub
His opponent retired.
tait fletcher
It's his opponent, the 26-year-old opponent, not Sam.
joe rogan
His first UFC fight knocks out Sam Stout and says, I'm done.
brendan schaub
Hey, tight move.
Just wanted to get there, knock the guy out.
Peace, bitches!
unidentified
Save that head trauma for your mama.
bryan callen
Save that head trauma for your mama.
joe rogan
Not a bad idea.
bryan callen
That's a good t-shirt, Brendan.
Save that head trauma for your mama.
joe rogan
Let's see if the UG has a...
aubrey marcus
Oh, here it is.
Here's the man who killed somebody with judo chops.
Judo chops.
brendan schaub
Looks like Justin Wren.
aubrey marcus
He also calls himself Father Yod.
Father Yod.
eddie bravo
Holloway wins with the judo chop.
bryan callen
Abandoned his first wife and daughter to ride to Hollywood on a motorcycle in addition for the role of Tarzan.
Well...
aubrey marcus
Yeah, well, he may or may not have killed someone with judo chops.
bryan callen
Sounds like a sociopath.
aubrey marcus
He may have shot him.
bryan callen
Killed a man.
Killed a man.
Abandoned his daughter, but then killed a man.
So, well, and auditioned for Tarzan.
joe rogan
There's a lot of judo chops.
bryan callen
Not my guy.
tait fletcher
It seems like your life.
joe rogan
Eugenics.
bryan callen
I'm jealous.
joe rogan
Eugenics?
eddie bravo
Oh, no.
tait fletcher
Somebody said something to theeconomist.com to me about it.
eddie bravo
Swedish eugenics, 1930s.
tait fletcher
Somebody was on your side, on my...
Timeline?
eddie bravo
Is it real?
unidentified
It's for real?
aubrey marcus
He also robbed 11 banks.
bryan callen
He robbed 11 banks.
aubrey marcus
He sounds like a real peach.
tait fletcher
Still free though.
Still free and running.
aubrey marcus
In his cult, they made one of the doctrines was you had to smoke weed for exactly seven second pulls from the bong.
I was like, in the commandments, you had to go.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
aubrey marcus
And then they would do kundalini yoga and get all high and then fuck each other.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
I don't see anything.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
bryan callen
That part.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're trying to find out what happened to Charles Oliveira, but I'm scared, man.
I don't like that.
brendan schaub
No, I don't like that at all.
That's a bummer to say.
unidentified
Garbage.
joe rogan
Because if you're all amped up with adrenaline and sweating and your neck gets hurt that bad, you're stopping.
brendan schaub
Especially early on.
Early on, you have the nerves, like you said, all the adrenaline.
joe rogan
Turn the volume up.
What's Michael Bisping saying?
unidentified
saying because he had some significant neck problems Look at that dapper fucking Englishman.
joe rogan
Beautiful hair.
tait fletcher
He's a handsome guy.
aubrey marcus
That right eye looks a little suspect.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's got some serious problems with his eye.
He's got oil in his eye.
Look at this, look at this, look at this.
He's like, dude, dude, dude.
aubrey marcus
At least he didn't punch him in the face there.
joe rogan
But he did hit him.
tait fletcher
He's going, no, no, no, I'm done, I'm done.
He's like, oh wait, here's one for your liver.
joe rogan
You're not done yet, bitch.
tait fletcher
So they sent me this thing for Eddie, and they go, between 35 and 76, no fewer than 60,000 young Swedish women deemed mentally defective or otherwise handicapped to a degree, which makes them, quote, incapable of looking after their children or sterilized.
joe rogan
Well, that's not quite the same as looking bad, but continue.
tait fletcher
They were ugly.
They cut them out.
I'm on your side, brother.
The internet's with you.
joe rogan
The internet.
eddie bravo
Apparently they were judged by the symmetry of their face.
joe rogan
The internet is mad.
eddie bravo
They thought that the symmetry of your face determined how...
joe rogan
Is that what it says online or are you just guessing?
tait fletcher
No, economist.com here.
eddie bravo
I'm just guessing.
bryan callen
They did study faces to see if they had any correlation to criminal behavior.
aubrey marcus
That was like skulls, right?
Phrenology.
bryan callen
Of course, that turned out to be complete shit.
brendan schaub
They found out ugly people were committing crimes.
eddie bravo
They did look into it, right?
bryan callen
There's a way you could look at someone's face and say they're a criminal.
Of course, there's no science to it at all.
aubrey marcus
Of course, but they did it.
bryan callen
It was actually considered a science for a while.
eddie bravo
In Sweden.
bryan callen
I think it was actually in the United States.
brendan schaub
I'm not going to lie to you guys.
That main event bummed me out, man.
eddie bravo
They did that in Sweden.
brendan schaub
That main event bummed me out.
joe rogan
It was definitely a war.
It bums me out because I'm worried about that dude's neck.
That's real unusual, man.
Joe Riggs was the last time that happened when Joe went down from that takedown.
But Joe's so battered and beat up, I just figured it was probably an old injury.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Charles is young, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Well, we don't know.
We never know.
brendan schaub
You got out of this one, Eddie.
I'll give you that, my man.
joe rogan
Well, you got out because you let him out.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'll pay you if you want me to.
brendan schaub
No, I don't want that tainted money.
eddie bravo
Okay, next fight companion, you pick the main event.
brendan schaub
If it's close, if it's like Ronda vs.
Holly, we can't do that.
eddie bravo
I'll take Holly home.
There's no way he's going to do a fight companion for Ronda Rousey.
joe rogan
I can't.
I'll be there.
I'll be there for that one for sure.
Unless it's in Yugoslavia.
unidentified
I was just making an exaggeration point here.
joe rogan
They decided to do it in Chechnya.
brendan schaub
What about when's Barnett Roy Nelson?
In Japan, there's no way you're going to that show.
joe rogan
No, not happening.
But I might be on the road.
I don't know.
brendan schaub
It's always tough.
That's the only thing that came to my mind.
It's tough to get us all together.
eddie bravo
The stars align every now and then.
joe rogan
But it's good enough.
eddie bravo
Every now and then, yeah.
It's every now and then.
joe rogan
And people are like, yeah, you guys talk over each other and you shit on each other.
brendan schaub
Yes, that's what we do.
bryan callen
Yes, we do.
That's what friends do.
tait fletcher
But it's amazing how controlled it is, even in this atmosphere.
Booze, weed, a lot.
joe rogan
It's amazing that Brian Cowen still tries to give jiu-jitsu advice.
bryan callen
Push down on the knee.
The first thing I say, butter your chin, push down on the knee.
tait fletcher
That's when he sat down.
brendan schaub
Inverted triangle, he said, oh, what you need to do in front of Eddie Brown.
bryan callen
It's annoying that people don't know that.
aubrey marcus
You were the most qualified talking about most handsome man, though.
bryan callen
No, no, I know that.
joe rogan
You're the games guy in this room, for sure.
bryan callen
100%, 100%, 100%.
But, I mean, and we still really haven't gotten down to it, because you've got to go, Luke, you've got to go your boy, Juban.
tait fletcher
Also, I think what you're going to need to do in order to really have a definitive idea...
joe rogan
We're literally out of time.
We're probably done, right?
Yeah, we're already done.
We're done.
This is at three hours.
Eddie Bravo on Twitter.
Aubrey Marcus on Twitter.
Brian Cowan with a Y on Twitter.
Tatumus Maximus on...
tait fletcher
No, Tate Fletcher, fool.
joe rogan
Oh, back!
tait fletcher
Come on.
joe rogan
You've got it back.
tait fletcher
Come on.
joe rogan
Who's got Tatum as Maximus?
You two?
tait fletcher
I double up, but I don't ever look at that shit.
joe rogan
The other one you should post like ridiculous shit.
tait fletcher
It's just to be dead.
joe rogan
Just post shit.
tait fletcher
Eddie sends me.
That's it.
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub in the motherfucking house.
I'll show you.
Fighter and the Kid.
When are you going to bring back Eddie Bravo Radio?
eddie bravo
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Alright.
tait fletcher
Pirate Life Podcast.
joe rogan
Pirate Life Podcast.
On It Podcast.
Warrior Project.
Alright.
That's it, fuckers.
We'll be back soon.
And we're probably going to do an On It one from Texas this week.
Aubrey and I are going to go slay pigs.
That's right.
Not cops.
That's rude.
I don't call cops pigs.
But real wild pigs.
Oliveira's neck is braced and he's on a stretcher.
They're taking out back.
He's still grabbing at his neck.
tait fletcher
Whoa.
unidentified
Bummer.
eddie bravo
They will not resign him.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Fuck.
Alright.
Well, all of our hopes and wishes are for Oliveira.
You know, send him some love.
unidentified
That's horrible.
joe rogan
That sucks.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
All right, folks.
Thanks for tuning in.
And that's it.
We'll see you soon.
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