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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 8, 2015
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brendan schaub
40:35
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bryan callen
17:16
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eddie bravo
24:45
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joe rogan
01:26:48
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jamie vernon
00:06
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joey diaz
00:02
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tj kirk
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
eddie bravo
Bam!
joe rogan
Don't talk shit now.
Oh, perfect timing!
Oh shit!
eddie bravo
I know you didn't bring fucking wine.
joe rogan
It's about to get weird.
We have two bottles already, but you'll probably tell me they suck, which you brought us.
Have a sit down so people can hear you.
Boy, that stevia is terrible.
eddie bravo
Wine and condoms.
joe rogan
It's the worst stevia ever, right?
There's no juice to it.
brendan schaub
Thanks for nothing, Steve.
joe rogan
There's no nothing.
You could really shake it in there like it's less strong than sugar.
I think they watered it down or something.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
joe rogan
This is that organic shit.
Lock this bitch.
Michael Johnson versus Benil Dariush.
brendan schaub
Ooh, I think he loses.
joe rogan
That's a good fight.
Johnson loses?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Really?
I think Johnson is.
brendan schaub
Dariush is a fucking monster.
joe rogan
He is.
brendan schaub
And on the ground.
joe rogan
But you know what?
So is Johnson.
brendan schaub
Not on the ground, he's not.
joe rogan
But good luck getting him there.
brendan schaub
Watch, son.
Call him the underdog.
eddie bravo
What's his name?
joe rogan
Barouche?
eddie bravo
Did he wrestle over eight years in college?
joe rogan
No, but he's really good at jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
He's world-class on the ground.
bryan callen
It's pronounced Darouche.
eddie bravo
Yes, but how is he going to get him there?
Michael Johnson is very hard.
To take down.
brendan schaub
Oh, and his stand-up's better than Johnson's.
Wait for it.
joe rogan
Oh, wait a minute.
What are you saying?
I think Benil is really good, but you're underestimating Johnson's stand-up.
I don't think you could say one guy's better than in that situation.
Wait, wait, wait.
I'd kind of lean towards Johnson in the stand-up a little bit.
Should we do a taste test?
Not me.
Didn't he get stopped by...
brendan schaub
De La Rouge?
joe rogan
No.
Benil Dariush.
Didn't he get stopped by Ramsey Nijim?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
No?
brendan schaub
No, he knocked him out cold.
joe rogan
He knocked Ramsey Ninjan out.
Who did Ramsey Ninjan beat that's really good?
Ramsey beat somebody that was really good.
brendan schaub
Ramsey, you know, he's off and on.
Great guy.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a great guy.
He's a young fighter.
Ramsey got robbed.
brendan schaub
He got fucked, man.
Holy fuck.
I cannot put enough Steve in this goddamn coffee.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really sad, man.
unidentified
Bro, Steve, yeah.
brendan schaub
I call it Steve, Callan.
bryan callen
Hey bud, how you doing?
brendan schaub
Benil, Steve?
What's up, brother?
joe rogan
No, he beat Benil Darius, dude.
I'm right.
He knocked him out.
brendan schaub
Ramsey did?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
Ramsey Nijim in UFC Fight Night Nogueira vs.
Nelson.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
It took place in Abu Dhabi.
That's the one in Abu Dhabi.
Yeah, dude, I'm telling you.
Ramsey, look, Ramsey's had some tough losses, but he's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
He's a tough dude.
joe rogan
He's a tough dude, and He works hard.
bryan callen
He was so relaxed, too.
That guy was a beast that he was wrestling with.
brendan schaub
You're saying his last fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That guy was a killer.
bryan callen
Andrew Holbrook.
joe rogan
Andrew Holbrook.
He got robbed.
He got robbed.
That's just bad fucking judging, dude.
Really bad judging.
There's so much bad judging.
But, you know, that Holbrook kid's a tough kid, too.
It was a great fight.
bryan callen
Really tough.
joe rogan
A lot of fun.
But Ramsey tagged him.
Ramsey did way more work, I thought.
I just didn't think it was a good decision.
bryan callen
He's also got a really big frame for 55. If you look at him up close, tall, long.
brendan schaub
Ramsey?
joe rogan
Yes.
He's a long guy.
bryan callen
He's a really big guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's just a tough dude and a smart dude.
I just really like him.
And I really like that Holbrook kid, too.
No disrespect.
I thought that Holbrook kid's a bad motherfucker.
Good wrestler, real tough kid.
And he took some good shots, too, and came back.
brendan schaub
Eddie, are we going to bet on any of the fights tonight, my man?
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah, you want to bet?
You want to take Toshera?
You want to take Toshera?
bryan callen
Eddie's looking sexy as a motherfucker.
Look at Eddie in his tank top.
joe rogan
Let's not talk over people, Brian.
bryan callen
Sorry, I got excited.
brendan schaub
In the middle of negotiating some dollar-dollar bills here.
bryan callen
Who's that?
joe rogan
They were negotiating it.
bryan callen
Sorry, buddy.
I'm sorry.
I got excited.
joe rogan
For anybody who's never heard one of these podcasts before, you're like, what the fuck kind of podcast is this?
What's a fight companion?
If you just started downloading the podcast, what's happening right now is the UFC is on TV, on Fox Sports 1. We watch the card.
We get fucked up.
We talk over each other.
We talk nonsense.
We make a lot of ludicrous statements that get blown up in the MMA media.
We write three or four articles for them.
Three or four articles for these journalists.
And we have a good time.
brendan schaub
They're just all on standby like this.
And go.
joe rogan
Go.
And so we'll let you know when the fight starts.
We'll let you know at the moment it starts.
Because if you're trying to watch it live, we're like five or maybe more seconds behind you.
How many seconds, Jamie?
Like ten, maybe?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, we gotta watch it when they do it.
joe rogan
This goes to the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Joey's calling.
unidentified
Joey!
eddie bravo
We're on air right now on the fight campaign.
unidentified
What's up?
joey diaz
I was switching around, but I forgot you were up there.
unidentified
No worries.
joe rogan
Joey!
eddie bravo
You hear a joke?
unidentified
What happened?
eddie bravo
You hear a joke?
joe rogan
What's up, brother?
How you doing?
Hey, we're doing a podcast.
Let's just do this podcast, Eddie.
Jesus Christ.
Let's do it.
What are you saying?
Nothing.
We're doing a podcast, Joey.
We love you.
unidentified
We love you.
eddie bravo
We'll let you go.
joe rogan
All right.
So when the fight starts, we'll let you guys know at the moment it starts.
We'll say ready now.
And if you can, just pause your DVR and sync it up with that.
There's no good way to do this.
The only way to do this really is if you watch it afterwards and you watch it on the DVR and you got the laptop there and you sync it up.
bryan callen
Otherwise, just enjoy it.
joe rogan
The good news is we're not ahead of you.
So we're not going to notice some shit and go, oh shit!
And then you go, when's it coming?
When's it coming?
That would suck.
That would suck.
But it's all good.
These, I discovered these.
Never gonna eat regular pistachios again.
They're already shelled.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Makes pistachios seem like nonsense.
brendan schaub
That's brilliant.
It seems to me the fad these days because I found Starburst the same way.
Unwrapped.
joe rogan
Ooh, Starburst, unwrapped.
brendan schaub
Unwrapped, guys.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
How do they keep them from sticking to each other?
bryan callen
Look at Candy Boy over there.
brendan schaub
What'd you say?
eddie bravo
How do they keep them from sticking to each other?
They put talcum powder on them?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
They kind of stick together.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
There's a reason those wrappers are on there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but so what?
brendan schaub
Well, they're not as tasty.
I feel like the wrapper kind of seals the flavor.
unidentified
The juices?
brendan schaub
Yeah, for reals.
bryan callen
Let's take our time with this wine, guys.
Somebody may spend a lot of time making this.
joe rogan
So what is this wine?
You're a connoisseur.
bryan callen
I got us a beautiful Chianti, a 2010 Chianti, and Castello di Amma San Lorenzo.
Don't know what that means, but it's an earthy piece of work here.
There you go.
Now, the difference is you're going to get some earth in your wine.
You're going to get some leather and some...
joe rogan
Please don't make me hate you.
bryan callen
Sorry, buddy.
joe rogan
Sorry.
Just don't do it.
Don't start this off.
Ray Borg and...
Boy, how do you say this gentleman's name?
G-E-A-N-E. Jean.
Jean.
Gene, Mr. Herrera.
We'll call him Mr. Herrera.
bryan callen
Beautiful body.
joe rogan
Ray Borg's a bad motherfucker, though, and really good on the ground.
This should be a lot of fun.
bryan callen
That guy's got a great body and a skin on him.
unidentified
Both of them do.
joe rogan
Shredded.
You have to be.
They're fighting 155 or 45?
bryan callen
No, that's smaller.
brendan schaub
I think that's 45. You ever seen a fat 45-er?
That's a bad sign.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
That's danger.
brendan schaub
No one's like, God, this 45-er's out of shape, everybody.
bryan callen
He's a chub-chub.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Check out the love handles on that 45-er.
joe rogan
I've seen a few 55-ers that were, like, a little on that body fat side.
Really?
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Are featherweights too big for you, personally?
unidentified
A little bit.
brendan schaub
Dude, these guys are 125s.
bryan callen
You're in my pocket.
You are in my pocket.
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Too light in the ass for you, Cal?
bryan callen
I'm very happy with Bravo's hair and shoulders.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
joe rogan
You look good.
He's a beautiful man.
bryan callen
He's a beautiful man.
He's a beautifully young man.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
joe rogan
Bravo's a beautiful man.
eddie bravo
45, son.
unidentified
That's young to me.
bryan callen
That's young to me.
brendan schaub
You don't look it, man.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
I just shaved.
eddie bravo
He doesn't look 45. He had a gray beard an hour ago, so...
bryan callen
Yeah, he doesn't look 45 at all.
brendan schaub
Not at all.
joe rogan
Thank you.
brendan schaub
You look beautiful.
Every bit of 28. Jesus.
eddie bravo
Really?
unidentified
I would say 28. I'd give you 32, 33. Dude, they're trying to fuck you.
No, that's bullshit.
bryan callen
We're going to this party.
You should come with us.
brendan schaub
It'd be just the two of us.
joe rogan
I know that you think that you can just be friends with guys.
bryan callen
Have you seen the moon at 10 and 11 on the beach?
joe rogan
There's a sushi restaurant at the top.
Of La Cienega.
Have you ever seen the Sunset Marina?
brendan schaub
We'll figure it out, man.
bryan callen
Have you ever done one-step sparring?
brendan schaub
Here we go.
joe rogan
Ready?
Fights 4.57 on the clock right now.
So here we go.
First fight of the night.
4.50.
Right there.
Bam.
So sync that bitch up.
Oh, right hand.
brendan schaub
I mean, I'm just going to start.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Damn!
Borg with a big takedown.
eddie bravo
Terrible wrestling.
joe rogan
Borg is strong as fuck, man.
brendan schaub
Bro, in every fight, I know you let me know what you think, but their trunks drive me fucking nuts.
White and black and black and white.
Hey, how about we switch it up?
Why not red and blue?
The corners.
eddie bravo
Red, blue.
brendan schaub
It's confusing.
eddie bravo
They had a whole warehouse of shit that they had to get rid of, and that's the first stuff that we're going to...
Because they have to supply them.
How cool is it for the UFC? Reebok steps in and they give them all this cash, and it doesn't cost them anything.
They give them cash, and...
brendan schaub
They get to dress their fighters.
Did you see the Reebok guy?
unidentified
What a great deal.
brendan schaub
Did you see the interview, Joe?
No.
I think he's the president or he has something to do.
He's like the head of something with Reebok that deals with the UFC. He said, your ass is next in line to be wearing Reebok.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
brendan schaub
It means that he basically said they rushed to get things done because they said, you know, how come some fighters' names are misspelled?
And he goes, listen, there's over 500 guys.
What do you expect?
We'll for sure spell people's names right and have everyone on there.
That's what I expect.
And then he goes, you know, we didn't think far enough ahead.
We just want to get this out.
So we didn't think about the Ring Card Girls or Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter.
I don't have a contract with them.
brendan schaub
Well, you're going to be wearing pumps, my man.
It's just the way it is.
Welcome.
joe rogan
I'm going to wear what I feel like wearing.
brendan schaub
Well, you better like pumps, then.
joe rogan
Or I won't do it.
I don't have to do it.
Unless I had some sort of a deal with Reebok, I'm not going to wear their stuff for free.
I'm just not.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm not a fighter.
I'm not in the same situation where you get paid for it.
And I would have to decide whether or not I would want to do that.
That's the problematic aspect to this.
There's many, but that's one of the big ones.
brendan schaub
But if they offer you a contract and they're like, hey, we need you to wear these UFC Reebok pumps for every show.
joe rogan
You know what I like, dude?
I like chucks.
brendan schaub
Me too, brother.
joe rogan
I wear them all the time.
Fuck yes, Rogan.
If Converse wants to come with some cash, I got you.
You know why?
Because these are what I like.
I wear these all the time.
It's all I wear.
eddie bravo
There's been amazing jiu-jitsu going on, man, and we're talking about Reebok.
joe rogan
Occasionally I'll wear Nike.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I would wear Reebok if they were cool sneakers.
I don't have a brand that I love.
eddie bravo
Both of these guys are really good on the ground.
Both are really good, man.
We're seeing a high-level jiu-jitsu match right here, seriously.
These guys are awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of jiu-jitsu and thrown in with punches and shit, too.
eddie bravo
And I don't know any- I don't know either of these guys.
joe rogan
Did you see the Jake Shields series- Speaking of which, because he's going for this Kimura.
Did you see the Jake Shields-Poharis fight?
eddie bravo
Yes!
bryan callen
How fucked up was that?
Poking his eye eight times and stuff like that?
brendan schaub
Is Paul Ahari the most Danish guy in the world?
I think so.
unidentified
He's scary.
joe rogan
He's scary.
brendan schaub
He's gonna poke you in the eye and rip your fucking arm off.
joe rogan
Well, he's also taking stuff to some crazy different primal level.
You know, like the eye poking and the holding, the submission, even after all he's been through.
He's been kicked out of the UFC for it, and he still holds submissions.
brendan schaub
You know, they warned him in the back.
That's why he got banned, because in the back they go, listen, if you get a submission, do not hang on to it.
We're not giving you another warning.
This is it.
What's this motherfucker do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Hangs on to it.
bryan callen
Jake Shields was just owning him, just controlling him on the ground.
Then he started poking him in the eye.
You know?
It was just really fucked up.
And really messed his eyes up, by the way.
joe rogan
Really messed his eyes up.
His eyes look really bad.
He's just a scary dude, man.
But he did catch that submission.
He legitimately caught Jake.
Legitimately caught him.
So the end of the fight is not in dispute, but how did he get there?
bryan callen
Jake couldn't see.
Jake couldn't see in round three.
He could not see.
He was like, I can't see.
And Tariq wanted to call the fight, and he goes, don't call it.
He couldn't see.
He literally was fighting at blurs.
eddie bravo
Jake Shields is one of the best passers in MMA, period.
He's one of the best passers in the whole game, if not the best, if not the best.
He's awesome at passing.
And he passed Husamar Paharis' guard a few times, and that itself was impressive, because Paharis' jiu-jitsu all the way around is top-notch.
He's not just going He's good at leg locks.
He doesn't have any holes in his game.
brendan schaub
He's world class.
eddie bravo
He's world class everywhere.
And the one thing that I was really impressed with is his side control escapes.
His guard recovery.
unidentified
If you watch that, it was beautiful escapes.
bryan callen
You're talking about Paul Harris or Paul Harris?
eddie bravo
Paul Harris.
The way he dismounted and the way he...
Because Jake Shields was passing his shit.
It wasn't easy.
brendan schaub
But he ruins all that.
He ruins all that being a fucking...
joe rogan
This is what I'm saying.
Look at this triangle attempt.
That's what I'm saying.
It's very primal when he's fighting.
It's animal shit.
eddie bravo
Did the Jick Shield shoulder, did it get tore off?
brendan schaub
He has some damage, yeah.
eddie bravo
There's damage in there?
There's gotta be.
brendan schaub
His shoulder and his eyes are all jacked up.
bryan callen
What about Magusaki?
brendan schaub
Mazzagatti.
bryan callen
Mazzagatti.
joe rogan
He's just not good.
Mazzagatti just...
Look, Dana's been saying it for years that he's the worst referee in the business.
I don't know if he's the worst, but he's made some fucking giant errors.
unidentified
He's up there, bro.
joe rogan
He made a big error in the Frank Mir-Brock Lesnar fight.
That's one of the big ones, because Brock Lesnar was completely locked up in a submission, and he took too fucking long.
There was tap, tap, tap, and then he's moving in.
He doesn't train, and if he doesn't train, he's never been tapped.
If he doesn't tap, especially to a leg lock like that, he doesn't know how close you are to getting your shit destroyed.
brendan schaub
Well, that's what big John McCarthy was saying.
He trains every day in jiu-jitsu, and he goes, I train to keep up with the kids.
Yeah, he goes, I train to keep up so I know what's going on.
A lot of these guys don't train, so they don't know what the fuck's going on.
joe rogan
Well, Mazzagato is in the wrong place, too.
You don't tap the guy's back.
unidentified
Hell no!
joe rogan
The guys get a fully locked kimura.
You get in between them.
You let him know without any question that the thing touching his back is not the fight.
unidentified
Tapping on his back?
joe rogan
Because he doesn't know.
Look, Paul Jarez is a fucking gorilla, right?
He's destroying.
He's in the middle of yanking, he's in the middle of winning, and he feels something touching his back.
He doesn't know what the fuck it is.
I mean, it's almost not his fault.
He knew that Jake Shields was tapping, for sure.
But, Murillo Bustamante, who was his coach, almost lost to Matt Lindland, tapped him and then had a tap again.
I shouldn't say almost lost because he dominated the fight.
But he got fucked because he tapped Matt Lindland.
He caught Lindland in an arm bar.
Lindland said he tapped, but then let go.
And then he caught him in a guillotine and finished.
eddie bravo
You know what?
You can't blame that on Mazzagotti, man.
That was who Samar Paharis's...
It's both.
brendan schaub
It's a combination of both.
unidentified
It's both.
joe rogan
I guarantee you, if John McCarthy was refereeing that match, it would have been different.
eddie bravo
100%.
joe rogan
John would have bowled him over.
But you've got to remember.
bryan callen
He also probably would have taken a point away from that blatant eye catch.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
As would Herb Dean.
Yes.
eddie bravo
They were shouting.
brendan schaub
They were shouting.
bryan callen
He's gouging his eyes, and Shields kept going, and his eyes were bleeding.
joe rogan
Well, did you hear what Mazgati said?
He said, I'll take care of it.
And Jake said, no, you won't.
No, you're not doing anything.
I'll take care of it.
What does that mean?
You're going to talk to him?
He's going to smile at you and poke him in the eye.
eddie bravo
That was one thing for sure.
Maybe Mazzagotti fucked up really bad there.
But if you watch that Kimura, that was in transition.
It was so nasty.
It was a huge transition from the bottom to the top.
And then he switches and...
There's just no way he could have got there in time.
I think the pat on the back was like, this is the quickest I can get here.
I'm going to bypass trying to stop him and go around.
He was just not in position.
bryan callen
Look at this.
joe rogan
Mounted guillotine.
Mounted guillotine.
Ray Borg.
brendan schaub
That's nasty, too.
He has his legs locked up.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
eddie bravo
It looks like it's over, kid.
It looks like it's over.
joe rogan
This guy's battling it out.
brendan schaub
Clear the legs, son.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing that that's all you have to do is get out of that fucking mount, get those legs separated.
That mounted one, too, when they're doing like a guard from the top, when they cross their legs like that?
God damn, that's nasty.
brendan schaub
Joey Benavidez style.
eddie bravo
Which one?
joe rogan
My 17?
No, when Benavidez, right there with the mounted guillotine, when Benavidez tapped Tim, who the fuck was it?
Tim Means?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, not Tim Means.
brendan schaub
Tim Elliott.
joe rogan
He had to tap with his feet.
Both his arms were trapped.
He was getting guillotined.
Both his arms were trapped.
And he's slapping with his feet like a dolphin.
brendan schaub
He had to tap with his feet.
joe rogan
Benavidez got a nasty one.
eddie bravo
These guys have very good chits, man.
joe rogan
So let me tell you about being in Brazil, watching Ronda Rousey walk out into the arena with 16,000 people.
Originally, they were chanting over her fucking song.
Like, she's going out there with her song, and they're going, Then you're gonna die.
Yeah, that's that you're gonna die song that they always sing.
brendan schaub
Been there.
joe rogan
And then people are like, Touching her as she's walking.
They have to reach really far, so they're trying to touch her.
She's not close enough for them to just know exactly how to reach her.
So they're trying to reach like a white guy jumping up trying to touch a basketball rim.
You can't really do it delicately.
brendan schaub
There's no passive way to do it.
joe rogan
You gotta do your best to try to touch her.
But dude, she walks forward with this fucking stare of death.
Like she didn't give a fuck about anybody else.
All that stuff was just nonsense.
Total tunnel vision.
And while it was happening, I was like, whoa, we're seeing some crazy history shit here.
Like, there's something about her right now where she's kind of transcended this sport in some crazy way.
brendan schaub
You're emotional.
joe rogan
Dude!
I almost cried!
I almost fucking cried!
I almost cried when I was interviewing her because I felt like, you know, I always say that if you could tell your kids, like, I was there when Muhammad Ali beat Sonny Liston.
Yeah, Rumble in the Jungle.
eddie bravo
That was Ronda in Brazil.
joe rogan
I was there when Mike Tyson beat Trevor Burbick and won the title, the youngest heavyweight ever.
I was there.
You know, if you could say that, like, wow.
Like, Dom Herrera always talks about Michael Spinks.
He was there for Mike Tyson, Michael Spinks.
He goes, Joe, I was in the audience.
I saw him in the eyes.
It was a historic event.
brendan schaub
You know the only difference is when you say those names, and I'm not hating on Ronda, but when you say like Evander Holyfield or Tyson, I was there for that.
Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, I was there for that.
I was there for Ronda versus Betch Cohera.
eddie bravo
Listen, Betch Cohera is the best chick in Brazil at 135. No, she's not.
She's ranked number eight.
There's Brazilians ranked higher than her?
brendan schaub
No, no, she's ranked number eight.
joe rogan
No, but Eddie said the best chick in Brazil.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
brendan schaub
No, Cyborg's the best chick in Brazil.
joe rogan
Yeah, but she can't make the weight.
But that's a different story.
And she just recently got signed by the UFC. This is Ronda's first time in Brazil.
eddie bravo
You know, it's her first time in Brazil.
It's that when Ronda came to Brazil, that's what he's talking about.
It could have been fucking, you know, Flavia.
unidentified
It's different.
brendan schaub
It's different.
I think it's different.
joe rogan
Listen, it doesn't have to be equal.
I'm not saying that.
What I'm saying is it is, without a doubt, an historic event.
She got 1.5 million Instagram followers in a fucking day.
eddie bravo
How many?
joe rogan
1.5 million.
bryan callen
That's significant.
joe rogan
Dude, this pay-per-view is going to be bigger than UFC 189. It's going to be bigger than the Conor McGregor fight.
brendan schaub
That's insane.
She's by far the biggest star.
joe rogan
There's all these memes all over the internet saying, don't be a do-nothing bitch.
Because that's what she said.
She said, I'm not some do-nothing bitch that sits around waiting for some millionaire to fuck her.
That's so gangster.
She's the most gangster chick of all time.
bryan callen
She's the walking example of feminism or meritocracy.
She does it.
She doesn't talk like Gloria Steinem.
joe rogan
She's not asking to be judged on a curve at all.
She walked out, when she knocked her out...
She KOs her, and then she goes, don't cry, and then walks away from her and struts around the ring.
brendan schaub
She's a different demeanor, bro.
joe rogan
Did she really shit in her pants?
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
That's fake.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's fake, okay.
joe rogan
She's strutting around the octagon, and the audience has to give it up.
They have to cheer for her.
brendan schaub
Oh, she's destroying these girls.
And now you're going to give us Misha take three?
joe rogan
But in Brazil, Captain Negative over here, in Brazil...
Even in Brazil, they're cheering for her at the weigh-ins.
They were booing Betch Coheia in Brazil at the weigh-ins.
brendan schaub
She's by far the biggest star.
bryan callen
She's transcending.
joe rogan
It's not like Conor McGregor flying Irish people over.
This is actual Brazilians.
This is actual Brazilians booing one of their own country women, which is unheard of.
It's an insanely proud and nationalistic country.
bryan callen
I think she's undeniable.
Undeniable.
There's a human example here of triumph over all odds, in a way.
Just to be a woman, and in such a short period of time, to be the biggest draw.
Where I was in a...
Where the hell was I? I was doing stand-up in Dallas, and I was in this bar.
It was just And the minute she walked out, everybody went crazy.
If you told me that a woman could garner that kind of attention as a fighter, I would have told you two years, three years ago, whatever.
joe rogan
Well, she's just not like anybody we've ever seen before.
When you say a woman fighter, you're judging on the women fighter that you've seen up until her.
Even the girls that were really good as boxers.
You know, Christy Martin was kind of fun to watch, and Layla Ali was fun to watch.
brendan schaub
Even Gina Carano.
joe rogan
And Gina Carano was fun to watch.
This is another level.
This is some Tyson shit.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
She's the female version of Mike Tyson.
These girls are fucking terrified when they get in there with her.
unidentified
She's even more dominant than Tyson.
bryan callen
Did you think that she would dispatch Correa that easily?
joe rogan
I thought she would submit her.
I thought she would ragdoll her and maybe beat her face in with elbows.
brendan schaub
That's what I was thinking.
I think if they fight 100 times, that fight goes like that 100 times.
joe rogan
It's no competition, man.
brendan schaub
She does whatever the fuck she wants to that girl.
joe rogan
She does whatever she wants.
Stand in.
She does whatever she wants.
brendan schaub
I called UFC 190 Honeydick.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at Ray Borg's head.
It's squealing blood.
Look at that.
It's flying out of him.
That is crazy!
Dude, that is like a broken faucet.
They're stopping it because of the blood.
brendan schaub
It's on his eye?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's on his cheek.
brendan schaub
I think it's above the eye, bro.
joe rogan
Blood is pumping.
brendan schaub
It looks like there's something on his cheek.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell.
It's hard to tell.
Can you tell?
brendan schaub
It's like the slit of that eye, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, it is on the eyelid.
Oh, it looks like more...
Yeah, it's the eye.
It's like at the slit.
brendan schaub
At the bottom, you're good.
joe rogan
They shouldn't have stopped.
He's in a really good position.
brendan schaub
No, that's bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, they better put him back in that position.
That's one thing Herb always does.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, that's good.
eddie bravo
Think about what you're saying about Ronda right now and how this is such a historical time and what Callan's saying.
And then even the fact that Brendan is saying, well, she's not really getting any competition.
Put all that together and then you look at Cyborg.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Cyborg's nowhere near Ronda's level.
unidentified
Cyborg's in the CFL. Cyborg is nowhere near Ronda's level?
brendan schaub
Not even close.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
eddie bravo
Cyborg is nowhere near Ronda's level?
brendan schaub
As a fighter, yes.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
Because if Ronda's not facing...
If we're going to make fun of Ronda's competition...
eddie bravo
I'm not making fun of Ronda's competition.
brendan schaub
You are.
And I'm saying Ronda's competition is nothing.
That's how much better she is than those girls.
And it's not Ronda's fault.
It's not the UFC's fault.
It's the state of the female fights right now.
It's just that's what it is.
It's so new.
eddie bravo
And Ronda's pretty fucking badass, dude.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
She's the best we have.
Ever.
We won't see another.
But Cyborgs, she's just not in the same realm as Ronda.
joe rogan
Well, that's just because she doesn't get any fights.
I mean, she's fighting these girls.
eddie bravo
Oh, you're talking about popularity-wise?
brendan schaub
Everything across the board.
joe rogan
She had a kickboxing bout with this chick.
Her name was J-O. I know how you say it.
brendan schaub
She's a world champ.
joe rogan
She fought one of the best female kickboxers on the fucking planet.
A chick that can't get a fight.
Nobody wants to fight her.
Bars is big.
bryan callen
She fought her to the distance, too.
joe rogan
She went the distance with her, which is not her sport, because she's an MMA fighter.
There is a big difference, especially with the big gloves on.
It's just not the same.
She can't take people down.
There's a lot of things you can't do.
But that chick, she got in there with one of the best in the fucking world.
She's trying to fight people, but there's all the allegations of steroids.
brendan schaub
Well, she's failed tests.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
There's no allegations.
joe rogan
She failed one test.
brendan schaub
Look at her physically.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
Absolutely.
Look, I'm not...
I'm a Chris Cyborg fan.
Let me just say that right now.
As a fight analyst or a fight fan, she's fun to watch, man.
I mean, I don't know if it's fair.
bryan callen
Isn't her striking and her jiu-jitsu world-class?
joe rogan
She's a brown belt level on the ground.
She's really good.
brendan schaub
She's not as good as Ronda on the ground.
joe rogan
No, but she's fucking way bigger.
bryan callen
She looks like she hits harder than any woman.
And that's unforgiving, right?
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
But now get her to 135. Let's see her hit like that.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing that Robin Black had a really good point.
Robin Black, who's one of the best fight analysts out there, and good dude.
I had him on the podcast.
Very, very knowledgeable and a huge fan of the sport.
He's like, it's bullshit.
All she has to do is eat less and run.
Everybody does it.
You want to lose weight?
You can lose weight.
Fucking 50 Cent did it for a movie.
He lost like 100 pounds.
brendan schaub
Look at fucking Matthew McConaughey.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Matthew McConaughey did it.
Looked like he had AIDS. People can do it.
You can do it.
What about Homeboy with fucking Batman?
What's his name?
bryan callen
Christian Bale.
joe rogan
Christian Bale in The Machinist?
bryan callen
But can you fight at that weight?
joe rogan
Well, you can fight at any way.
You can fight even better if you don't ever cut weight.
How about that?
How about you let her fight at 170?
That's what she walks around at.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
No, it's bullshit.
There's a reason why you have to cut weight.
You have to cut weight because they're trying to figure out some way where you can both agree uneven terms.
bryan callen
I don't think she has a bone structure.
joe rogan
You can't be any heavier than 135, 24.5.
brendan schaub
Five pounds.
Any athlete.
If Dana called me up right now and was like, hey, Brennan, listen.
We need you to get to 185 and you can fight the champ at 185. I'm going to try my fucking best to make that fight.
I'm sure it's fucking like, no, no, no.
We got to do that 190. No.
Whatever they want, I'm going to do.
Especially if I'm cyborg.
I want to become relevant.
I have to make...
bryan callen
Okay, but what you're talking about, Cyborg, they asked how much she was walking around, and she goes, about 175. She didn't interview.
That's a lot of weight.
joe rogan
That is a lot of weight, and it's very unusual.
bryan callen
A lot of weight.
joe rogan
But here's the other thing.
brendan schaub
It's not normal either.
joe rogan
One of the things about steroids, and this is not saying that she's on it, I'm not making any allegations, but one of the things about the people that compete on them is that they find it very addictive.
And it's not just a matter of the fact that it allows you to heal.
It's not just a matter of fact that it gives you, you know, this ability to train harder.
But it also, there's a confidence thing where you know you're on this shit.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
You know?
And they all talk about it.
They all talk about it.
Like, when I was on it and I was fighting, I felt invincible.
brendan schaub
Especially with a female.
unidentified
They would all talk about it.
brendan schaub
You put testosterone in a female's body, it's going to change some things.
Exactly.
Bone structure.
joe rogan
And attitude.
The way she fights.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
She fights like an angry dude.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
She mauls bitches.
brendan schaub
So you take that away.
And again, I'm not saying she's on testosterone.
She's failed a testosterone test before.
joe rogan
If you look at the two factors, the fact that she's failed the test before and the way that she looks.
unidentified
Her voice.
joe rogan
How about her voice?
Especially the way she used to look when she was in Strikeforce and she fought Gina.
Okay?
All that nonsense aside, I think it's worth, when we know what we know about the sport, it's worth considering the possibility.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
Right?
That's fair.
unidentified
That's fair as fuck.
joe rogan
That's about as fair as you can get.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
That said, she's just bigger.
She's way bigger.
And this idea that Ronda has to move up, like, actually she doesn't.
brendan schaub
Why would Ronda move up?
joe rogan
Why does she have to do anything?
She's the champ.
brendan schaub
Because to the common folk, to the common fan, no one knows who Cyborg is.
joe rogan
This is not a matter of her not being able to do it.
It's a matter of her not taking any of the steps to attempt to do it.
Like, if you really want to do it, what you do is you make that wait.
brendan schaub
Hire Mike Dolce.
joe rogan
You hire Mike Dolce, you make that wait, and you put up a fucking video of you making that wait.
Here, I'm weighing in.
135. See, I can do it.
Ronda, let's do this bitch.
I want my title.
brendan schaub
Boom.
Biggest fight.
Biggest women's fight ever.
eddie bravo
Biggest fight ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
eddie bravo
Biggest fight ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
brendan schaub
What do you think would happen?
I said that shit back at JRE1-whatever when Ronda was on Joe Rogan's show.
eddie bravo
Before the UFC even had chicks.
You know what I thought?
What freaked me out is when Cyborg fought Gina Carano and Strikeforce.
I worked for the UFC for eight years.
You're used to the crowd and what it sounds like.
I never heard a crowd like that, ever.
In all the hundreds of shows I've been to, that sounded like a Beatles concert.
When Gina Carano came out, it sounded like it was a Britney Spears concert.
And I thought, wow.
joe rogan
Multiply that times the hundreds, and that's Ronda in Brazil.
They were screaming like Justin Bieber was on stage.
Girls were screaming.
It was like Elvis was there in the 60s.
brendan schaub
I think Ronda beat Cyborg even at 145. Really?
eddie bravo
You might be right.
brendan schaub
But I don't think Rhonda has any reason.
eddie bravo
Reason?
That's the biggest fight of all time.
That's the biggest fight of all time.
joe rogan
For Cyborg.
brendan schaub
For everybody.
For Rhonda it's dangerous.
unidentified
It's a very dangerous fight.
brendan schaub
Not for Rhonda.
eddie bravo
It's a dangerous fight.
brendan schaub
The public doesn't know who Cyborg is, so they don't give a fuck.
eddie bravo
Listen, if Cyborg fought, if signed right now in the UFC, how long would it take for them to blow that the fuck up and everybody knows who Cyborg is?
It'll take a while.
Oh, it will take fucking one week.
joe rogan
Okay, let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
eddie bravo
Come on.
joe rogan
Let's look at this rationally.
Let's say we know for sure, because we don't know anything for sure, right?
But let's say we know for sure that Rhonda is not juicing.
She's not doing anything.
brendan schaub
Guaranteed she's not.
joe rogan
Okay.
I believe you.
But let's say we know for sure, okay?
And let's say we also know for sure that Cyborg might be on something.
And she might be on something to make $145,000.
Then are you okay with it?
Are you okay with it if they both fight at 145 and one person is naturally bigger and might be on something?
unidentified
I don't care where they fight 145, 135. This is my question.
joe rogan
Do you have a different opinion about this with women than you do with men?
bryan callen
Not really.
brendan schaub
I don't at all.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
With Chris Weidman, here's a perfect example.
Chris Weidman's dominant champ, just like Ronda.
If he was going to fight Vitor, and we knew that Vitor might be on TRT, I still wouldn't have a problem with it.
And I don't think Weidman would have a problem with it either.
I think Weidman would be like, I'm going to still fuck this team.
bryan callen
The reason I wouldn't have a problem is because I think Weidman's already bigger.
joe rogan
You're right.
bryan callen
Weidman's already got a bigger frame and all that.
joe rogan
But that's the point.
It's a different fight.
brendan schaub
It's a completely different fight.
You know how dangerous Vitor is?
He knocked Bisping's eye into fucking the next level.
Bisping will never be the same.
joe rogan
Dan Henderson.
brendan schaub
Look at all these dudes.
He was, what, seven in a row, six in a row?
Just KO'ing dudes.
Take him off testosterone?
What the fuck was that?
joe rogan
His body doesn't look the same.
He doesn't perform the same.
brendan schaub
He's not even remotely close.
It's like going from a Ferrari to a Civic.
joe rogan
So that's the question.
If she's capable of doing something that's not natural, to stay at 145 or to get up higher than 145 in the 170s, then how do you feel about the fight then?
Because then it's because of a different fight.
brendan schaub
And then what's the UFC do?
Let's say they do do that fight and Cyborg knocks Ronda out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Knocks her out.
joe rogan
Dead.
brendan schaub
Dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And then what do we do?
eddie bravo
It's a beautiful thing.
It makes everything beautiful.
unidentified
It's not.
It is.
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter if she loses.
brendan schaub
It makes it better.
What if she tastes positive?
joe rogan
What if she loses and then Cyborg tests positive?
eddie bravo
It makes the sport even more interesting.
brendan schaub
No, it doesn't.
eddie bravo
Yes, it does.
brendan schaub
Because then we don't have our star.
We don't have anyone crossing over into pop culture.
eddie bravo
Oh, who cares about that?
That's all extra shit.
unidentified
No, it's not.
eddie bravo
The fans don't need that shit.
joe rogan
You don't mind if someone is on the shit and they knock somebody out like that?
And then you find out that the reason why she got knocked out like that is because the other person was enhanced?
bryan callen
I do.
I think it's cheating.
joe rogan
This is the thing, this is what my, the sexist in me, the sexist in me, I have more of an issue with it for some reason with women.
bryan callen
Well, maybe because it's testosterone.
I'm not comfortable with it, right?
brendan schaub
I'm not comfortable with it at all.
joe rogan
What I'm saying, I'm not even comfortable with my opinions on it.
Like, I'm like, why do I have a different opinion if it's women and the woman was on something?
unidentified
Ugh.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
It's different.
brendan schaub
When me and Rhonda were hanging out, I would tell her, unless Cyborg agrees to this strict testing, you are not fighting her.
It's you!
unidentified
It's you!
brendan schaub
I haven't talked to her in forever.
When I was with her, I still care about her, but the thing is, There's no way you're taking this fight against fucking the Brazilian Drago if she's on shit.
Unless she's going to enlist.
unidentified
Especially at 145. There's no way.
joe rogan
At 145, she's just a way bigger human being.
unidentified
It's dangerous, man.
eddie bravo
What you guys said before, just lose the goddamn motherfucking weight already.
Shit!
bryan callen
Stop with this.
eddie bravo
It's a fucking journey shit.
What the fuck is going on?
Just lose the goddamn weight.
It's the biggest fight of all time.
The fuck you doing, Cyborg?
Let's do it.
bryan callen
I want to see it.
In a way, getting down to 35 would cancel out, in some ways, the idea of testosterone in terms of, I think, it'd be hard to do it.
It'd be hard to do it when you've lost literally 45 pounds.
joe rogan
She would also have to guarantee that she actually made the weight.
Because another sneaky fucked up thing that people do is they just don't make the weight.
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in his last fight.
They contracted, the first fight was supposed to be at 168, then they moved to 170, and he didn't even make 170. That guy drives me fucking nuts.
170.8, came in, he was out of shape, didn't fight well, fought through just a few punches per round, but he was way bigger than that.
brendan schaub
Way bigger, and the guy would land 30 shots and he'd land two, and wobble the guy.
You can't do that, man.
joe rogan
And won the round with just a few body shots.
It was literally Like a guy eating punches, getting close, and swinging with clubbing blows.
brendan schaub
It looked like you and me in the ring.
Swear to God.
Julio Chavez Jr. was a big dude and was a tiny guy.
That's like Ronda and Cyborg.
If they didn't agree to 135, you're going to have some shit on your hands, man.
That's not going to be good.
eddie bravo
It's going to happen at 135. It's going to happen.
And imagine the fucking audience.
Every niece, grandma, aunt, your girlfriends.
Everybody's going to watch that shit.
The whole fucking world in Africa and Latin America.
joe rogan
Eddie, you don't know.
The regular person has no fucking idea who Cyborg is.
They have no idea.
It doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
It's not a smart move.
joe rogan
The smart move is Misha Tate versus Cyborg at 140. I'm not disagreeing with that.
Gigantic fight.
bryan callen
The world sees it.
eddie bravo
She's gonna kill Misha Tate though.
joe rogan
You're not right.
You're not right.
eddie bravo
I wasn't saying it happened immediately.
joe rogan
I said, let's do that.
eddie bravo
I'm not disagreeing with that.
joe rogan
It would be the toughest fight that Misha Tate has ever had.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
And Cyborg.
joe rogan
Or the toughest fight, rather, that Cyborg has ever had.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Misha Tate would be.
unidentified
100%.
bryan callen
Why is that?
joe rogan
Misha Tate's gangster!
bryan callen
Misha Tate is a gangster.
joe rogan
She's tough as fuck.
She's the only girl that's taking Ronda Rousey into the third round.
bryan callen
And she's destroying the other girl.
joe rogan
Cyborg hits, all due respect to Misha Tate, I believe Cyborg hits a whole lot harder than Misha Tate does at 45. I think you're right, but I'll tell you right now, with all due respect, I would favor Misha Tate over Gina Carano.
And Cyborg and Gina Carano was a very competitive fight.
That's the thing that people don't remember about That was forever a gun.
Gina Carano mounted her.
You're right, she's better now, I'm sure.
But Gina Carano, she was still fucking girls up back then.
brendan schaub
She was fucking girls up.
bryan callen
Yeah, she was tougher.
joe rogan
Gina Carano mounted her.
eddie bravo
I think she'll light up.
joe rogan
They scrambled on the ground, and it was some control situations.
brendan schaub
I think even at 140, I think Misha Tate's going to give Cyborg some fritz.
eddie bravo
She'll get lit up.
brendan schaub
And then if they do it at 135, and she fights for it at 135, it doesn't get past the two-minute mark.
eddie bravo
You know what?
She's not going to be able to take Cyborg down.
Her wrestling's not that good.
Cyborg's hard to take down, and she hits hard.
I think Misha will get lit up.
I love Misha, but Cyborg would be too much for her.
bryan callen
You know what's fascinating about this?
joe rogan
Misha won the scrambles against Sarah McMahon.
Sarah McMahon's an Olympic medal.
She's about to fight right now, by the way.
brendan schaub
She beat Sarah McMahon up.
bryan callen
You know what's fascinating about this?
joe rogan
Four guys.
bryan callen
Are talking passionately about women fighters.
unidentified
That's what I'm talking about!
joe rogan
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about because what happens with Ronda Sideboard...
brendan schaub
Who's Ronda Fight up there?
eddie bravo
Go.
Holly Holm.
brendan schaub
She's not ready yet.
eddie bravo
You know what?
bryan callen
Whatever.
unidentified
Throw her in there.
eddie bravo
Throw her in there.
joe rogan
That's the fight, though.
eddie bravo
Throw her in there.
joe rogan
If I want to see a fight, that's the fight I want to see.
eddie bravo
That's the next one I'd want to see.
And you know who's really tough?
Man, she just beat...
She was on Invicta.
She's like an old-school fighter who's really good.
She just beat a new...
Irene Aldana.
brendan schaub
If you're Misha, and you came in a different lifetime, and there was no Ronda, Misha's killing shit, right?
You know what I'm saying?
She's the best.
joe rogan
She's as good as she is because Ronda is so goddamn good that the aspiration, the inspiration, the top of the mountain is so high that everybody else, their vibration comes up.
brendan schaub
They have to step their game up.
joe rogan
They have to.
brendan schaub
She's like the Michael Jordan.
Everyone's trying to pursue that.
joe rogan
There's something about her, man.
She's got this crazy aura of championship, Ronda.
eddie bravo
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I really did almost cry when I was interviewing her.
The moment was so powerful.
And plus, knowing her story, knowing her story with her dad and the whole thing about this girl...
I mean, whether or not that's actually what she was trying to say, what she was saying, she hopes Rhonda doesn't kill herself, but Rhonda's dad did kill himself, so that was like, it's part of her story, and she had all this extra motivation, seeing her there, and having daughters, too, and just, there's so much going on.
brendan schaub
I get it, man.
joe rogan
I'm emotional.
brendan schaub
I'm emotional.
joe rogan
God, she's so powerful.
bryan callen
I think what's really important, too, about the steroid debate, and just as we're talking about, whether or not, you know, whenever we get excited about a fight, we always assume, or we like to assume, that in many ways there's an equal playing field.
They're kind of starting, even though they may be genetically different and stuff.
You want to believe that nobody is actually...
Doing underhanded things that clearly give you an advantage before you even get into the ring, right?
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
And I think that's the heart of real competition.
That's what makes it so much fun.
brendan schaub
You've been around the sport way too long to think like that, Brian.
You've been around way too many professional athletes to think that way.
bryan callen
I'm just saying that's what we as spectators want that.
unidentified
True.
brendan schaub
We want a level playing field.
bryan callen
So when we think about Chris Weidman and Luke Rockhold, all of us are really excited about that fight because we don't know what's going to happen.
unidentified
Best fight ever.
bryan callen
We don't know what's going to happen.
And we wouldn't want to think Luke was doing something or that somebody was doing something underhanded to get an advantage before they even stepped in the ring.
That's all, I guess.
joe rogan
Meanwhile Ronda Rousey's in some crazy commercial.
That's nuts man, but the thing is this isn't anything Manufactured that's what's crazy is this is really her.
She really is that badass like her technique is spectacular This isn't like look with all due respect like Paige Van Zandt is tough as fuck and she's really cute and she has good scrambles But when you see her you see a young fighter that's learning how to fight as a long way A long ways to go.
A long ways to go.
When you see Rhonda launching bitches through the air, when she's dropping down on Misha Tate after a highlight reel fucking hip toss.
unidentified
Boom!
Drops down on her.
brendan schaub
Or Sarah McMahon body shot.
It's silly.
joe rogan
You're just seeing some next level technique as well as this aura of this epic person.
eddie bravo
On a podcast, have you ever talked about an MMA fighter longer than we've talked about Ronda today?
brendan schaub
Well, because there's so much controversy, exactly.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Right?
brendan schaub
With guys, there's not too much controversy, right?
It's pretty cut black and white.
With Ronda, it's not black and white.
joe rogan
Well, here's the deal, man.
I think the UFC should have more women's weight classes.
I think they should have a 145. There's not enough women, bro.
I think if they did have a 1-4, you build it and they will come, man.
eddie bravo
Gaby Garcia.
bryan callen
Build it and they will come.
brendan schaub
Build about 225 at a heavyweight.
joe rogan
Listen, you just don't, that's true, that too.
But I don't think you should have, like, you don't have to have that many fights.
Like, if you have a woman like Cyborg, and she's at Invicta, and she has these fights, and they're every now and again, they're not that often, and when she's fighting, she's fighting girls that are a way lower level than her, why not have those fights in the UFC? Why not have everybody aspire?
Because that's exactly what you had in the strawweight division.
Until Jon Jacek stepped up and became this monster at 115, just smashing everybody.
brendan schaub
Do an ultimate fighter at 145 for females.
You can get every female at 145 fucking doing it.
joe rogan
That's exactly it.
brendan schaub
Instead of giving us the same old dudes and all that, do a 145 just all house.
16 145s.
bryan callen
The answer might be that there are just too many fighters to begin with in UFC. No, there's so many.
eddie bravo
They should find out what Gabby Garcia can cut down to and then focus a whole division on her.
She's not that big!
unidentified
She's so shredded.
joe rogan
She's 200 plus pounds.
eddie bravo
Is she over 200 pounds?
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
Eddie, she's over to an audience.
eddie bravo
Even shredded.
joe rogan
Yep.
She's 6'3".
eddie bravo
She is tall.
brendan schaub
She's 6'3".
bryan callen
She's so big giant.
eddie bravo
She might be tall.
She might be 6'4".
I follow her on Instagram.
brendan schaub
She could be.
I think 6'3" is fair.
eddie bravo
She's tall.
I was in an elevator with her in China for Abu Dhabi and I looked up like holy shit, I thought I was standing next to Brock Lesnar.
joe rogan
I would ask her to carry me in a photo.
I'm going to ask her to carry me like a baby.
brendan schaub
Me too.
eddie bravo
You know what?
The only opponents she's going to fight are like...
She can carry both of us.
You know what?
joe rogan
There she is right there.
brendan schaub
She's shredded now.
eddie bravo
That's 200 pounds?
joe rogan
She lost a lot of weight.
She lost so much weight.
What if she just fights a bunch of...
eddie bravo
Because you know America got millions and millions and millions of fat bitches.
Why don't they just throw...
unidentified
Like a 10. Take that shit to China, bro.
eddie bravo
We got a whole shitload of them.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
eddie bravo
Just a bunch of fat bitches.
Gabby's just shredded, just fucking up.
joe rogan
She's 105 and 0. But you don't want to run any drug tests on her either.
You bring in fat bitches to UFC. Maybe that surgery that she had might have weakened her chin too.
brendan schaub
Like Bigfoot?
joe rogan
She used to have, yeah.
She had jaw, it looks like at least.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it does.
joe rogan
That's the rumor.
What does it say?
I'm not lying, nor is Tito.
UFC called my manager last time to see if I would fight Ron at 135, December 5th.
brendan schaub
Hey, Tito!
Hey, Cyborg!
How about you take a lesson in Business 101?
And if the UFC asks you that, you don't fucking blurt it out and tell the world until it's done.
Because now Dana came out and was like, no, I never said that.
joe rogan
Did he?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
But still, it brings it up.
Let's bring it up.
So either way, Dana wants to make Tito fucking her.
joe rogan
She's not supposed to do that.
brendan schaub
You're not supposed to do that.
Rule number one, as soon as the UFC says, hey, we're thinking about you fighting whoever, please don't say anything.
eddie bravo
Brandon, right now, let's be honest.
Right now, can a girl be that buff?
Sarah McMahon?
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Because she's been wrestling since she was a kid.
And Rhonda's been doing judo since she was a kid.
joe rogan
When I interview her, when I put my hand on Sarah McMahon, it's like Gleason Tebow.
She's so yoked.
I don't know.
I'm not an endocrinologist.
But that's what most girls look like to me.
eddie bravo
That, to me, if I saw them, heard of that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Okay, let's watch this shit.
joe rogan
It is weird that you have women ring girls when women are fighting.
I think Shaw, Big Brown, you need to strip down.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'll do it, man.
joe rogan
Wax up.
brendan schaub
I won't wear Reebok, but I'll fucking do it.
joe rogan
You won't wear Reebok?
brendan schaub
I'll wear Reebok, Speedo.
joe rogan
Will you bullshit me about Reebok saying that I have to wear their shit?
brendan schaub
No, in the interview it said, we rushed this out to get the fighters done, and then they said, you know, next, we didn't even think about Joe Rogan or the ring card girls.
joe rogan
That's another thing, just like you were saying about Cyborg not talking about that, they shouldn't talk about that.
You know, don't, like, the whole thing's silly.
brendan schaub
The whole thing's super sloppy, because people, they're like, we know we're taking a lot of criticism on the outfit, stuff like that, but...
joe rogan
Well, how about they spell people's names wrong?
eddie bravo
Damn, she's stuffing Sarah McMahon!
She's stuffing her!
Look at her!
joe rogan
Who is this chick?
She's good.
eddie bravo
Damn, she Brazilian?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
She's badass.
brendan schaub
She just slipped.
eddie bravo
She twisted her ankle.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but basically what the Reebok guy said is, you know, we rushed to get this done, so we've made some mistakes, but we're learning.
eddie bravo
Why are you trying to scare Joe?
joe rogan
It doesn't matter, dude.
brendan schaub
I'm not at all.
You can't really scare Joe.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
brendan schaub
He's different, because, you know, Reebok can say, hey, Joe, jump, and he's not going to do it.
joe rogan
I would just not do the weigh-ins.
It wouldn't be that hard.
You know, I would go and watch.
brendan schaub
I watched the Ronda weigh-ins.
See ya, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched the Ronda weigh-ins from the audience because they had a Brazilian guy that was introducing them.
eddie bravo
How did he do it?
joe rogan
Not so good.
He needs work on his enthusiasm.
brendan schaub
He's no Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
He was fine.
I don't know.
I don't understand the language.
eddie bravo
Wow.
She's trying to get her back.
joe rogan
Take it back.
Lose the position.
bryan callen
What's moving on the bottom?
What's her name?
joe rogan
Amanda Nunez.
Tough girl.
bryan callen
Very tough.
brendan schaub
She's tough, but when you watch them and then you watch Ronda, it's like, bro.
It's like LeBron versus a fucking pickup game in the park.
joe rogan
No, it's like LeBron versus me.
eddie bravo
Straight up.
LeBron was in that movie.
joe rogan
These guys know how to play.
bryan callen
These girls look good.
They look strong and fast.
unidentified
That's so funny.
eddie bravo
You know LeBron had a big part in that Amy Schumer movie?
unidentified
Trainwreck.
eddie bravo
Trainwreck.
Have you seen it?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I love it.
eddie bravo
The first 45 minutes, I was screaming.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
I heard it's one of the funniest movies ever.
eddie bravo
It's great.
unidentified
The first 45 minutes, I couldn't stop going, ah!
eddie bravo
But then, you know, when you get really raunchy in the movie...
joe rogan
Oh!
eddie bravo
Oh!
brendan schaub
Did she get her in the eye?
joe rogan
She caught her with a bomb, dude.
She caught her with a bomb.
brendan schaub
She's a pretty big underdog, too.
Is she?
joe rogan
Nunez is tough, dude.
Yes, she is.
So, Sarah's an underdog.
Sarah's not good on the bottom.
brendan schaub
No, Sarah was the favorite, I thought.
joe rogan
Well, she probably is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because she's an Olympic medalist, but she's not very good on the bottom.
And I noticed that in the Misha fight.
eddie bravo
That's a good back take.
unidentified
That's a long time.
eddie bravo
That's a professional back take.
joe rogan
Oh, she's getting fucked up.
brendan schaub
Bro, name a wrestler who's really good on the bottom.
unidentified
It's tough.
joe rogan
That's the problem, because they're so dominant.
They're so used to being on top.
brendan schaub
They spend all their time dominating on top.
joe rogan
Sarah's moving.
brendan schaub
She's about to get choked out, son.
eddie bravo
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
It's close.
brendan schaub
I bet you she taps to it.
She's going to tap.
eddie bravo
It's over.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
eddie bravo
Oh my goodness.
That's a bad bitch right there.
joe rogan
Amanda Nunes.
brendan schaub
She beat the shit up.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
She is badass.
unidentified
Holy shit.
bryan callen
She's really badass.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Dude, look at that.
She battered her.
eddie bravo
Wow, she just said that she's the girl to beat Ronda.
Wow.
I got a whole new respect for this girl right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, but she can't say she's the girl to beat Ronda because she just got ground out by Misha Tate.
Oh, she's American Top Team.
Powerful, Amanda.
Good for her.
She's badass.
eddie bravo
That was her professional groundwork right there.
joe rogan
I love that she did this.
Hopped over the fence.
Fuck it.
bryan callen
Mike Brown.
joe rogan
Good for her.
She's wicked.
She's wicked, man.
eddie bravo
That's 135, huh?
joe rogan
Damn.
She looked great.
Got a new star right there, 135. But she was striking against a wrestler, so she was striking against a wrestler.
unidentified
You fucked up, bitch.
brendan schaub
You fucked up.
joe rogan
But I'll tell you what, Sarah McMahon hits hard.
eddie bravo
That's a good fight for Ronda right there.
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying she's going to beat Ronda.
I'm saying I would want to watch that shit.
joe rogan
Come on.
eddie bravo
I would watch it.
brendan schaub
I want to watch see her get fucked up.
joe rogan
Watch this, watch this, watch this.
Oh, man.
eddie bravo
You're the biggest Ronda fan ever.
joe rogan
Boom!
Oh!
Damn.
Look at this.
Goddamn.
Sarah McMahon broke Misha's orbital.
brendan schaub
Yeah, her eye was fucked up from that.
joe rogan
She hits hard, man.
Amanda battered her, dude.
brendan schaub
Dude, you know what I don't want to see happen?
Paige Van Zandt's fight Joanna.
bryan callen
No, that's horrible.
brendan schaub
Because Paige is so damn hot, and Joanna is just totally ruthless.
eddie bravo
I would love to see that.
bryan callen
Eddie!
eddie bravo
I would love to see it.
Hey, you know what?
Paige Van Zandt is a fucking hustler.
She might be able to pull it off.
But, you know what, I put all my money on Joanna, I'll never bet against her, but the bottom line is, if that fight was coming on right now, if you just, Paige Van Zandt, Joanna, I can't say her last name, you'd freak the fuck out!
joe rogan
It's not a competitive fight, it's not a smart fight.
eddie bravo
But you wouldn't really care for the fight?
unidentified
No, because I don't see Paige's face get destroyed.
brendan schaub
Have you ever seen another female fighter destroy a girl?
Yes, I've never seen another female destroy a girl's face like Joanna did to Pena.
eddie bravo
That's the beautiful part of the game.
That's why we love the game.
joe rogan
Juliana Pena, the 135, was also badass.
She hasn't fought in a while.
eddie bravo
She's a fighter.
Paige Van Zandt trying to beat up everybody.
Who did she beat?
joe rogan
Felice Herrig.
brendan schaub
Yeah, she beat the shit out of her.
Were you sad?
No.
joe rogan
That was a competitive fight.
It was different.
eddie bravo
Are you going to think Felice is that pretty?
Is that what you're saying?
brendan schaub
No, I didn't say that.
I think Johanna's a monster and she's going to throw elbows at Paige's dime piece face.
I don't want to see that good rest.
bryan callen
I agree with Brennan 100% on that.
joe rogan
I just think you shouldn't fight someone if you're not ready.
And I think she's really learning MMA when Johanna's a six-time world Muay Thai champion.
brendan schaub
Yeah, she's just not have the experience yet.
joe rogan
You're right, Joe.
Take down defense is fucking stellar.
brendan schaub
Give Paige like four fights and then...
And then give her to Joanna.
bryan callen
Give her four years.
eddie bravo
Anthony Hardonk, who is Ben Saunders' striking coach now, I hung out with him at the Chicago show.
He mentioned that Joanna was going and training with the Dutch guys at his gym for years, forever.
They knew that she was going to be a stud.
Yes.
Because she's this little girl from Poland training with all these giant monsters.
He said there was nobody her size.
She was in there sparring with big dudes.
bryan callen
I'm a fan.
eddie bravo
She's just crazy.
And they knew, man, if she keeps it up, they knew she would be a star.
brendan schaub
She won me over in that Peña fight.
I was like, holy balls.
I've never seen a female like this.
joe rogan
It's Peña.
Yeah, she smashed her.
brendan schaub
Pena, that's right, I'm saying Pena, my bad.
eddie bravo
She's the best striker, period, in MMA. It's arguable.
joe rogan
I said that today, and I did some UFC countdown shit today.
I'm like, she might be the best technical striker in all of MMA. And the combo with her takedown defense?
eddie bravo
You take her striking and her takedown defense?
Goddamn.
brendan schaub
She's terrifying.
eddie bravo
She's going to be very hard to beat.
She might not ever lose.
brendan schaub
You know what's a good story?
It's Juliana Pena vs.
Ronda Rousey.
That's a good story.
joe rogan
Yes, eventually.
Why is that a good story?
brendan schaub
Because she was on Ultimate Fighter with her.
She's Misha Tate's training partner.
She doesn't like Ronda.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
She is mentally as strong as you've got to be to go against someone, Ronda.
She's gangsta.
bryan callen
I'm telling you right now, I'm very impressed with her.
She's no joke.
joe rogan
No, she's no joke.
bryan callen
Are you kidding?
joe rogan
She's no joke.
Sarah McMahon's back to the drawing board now.
unidentified
Dangerous.
brendan schaub
Good lord, is she ever.
That's tough.
She has a rough story, too, man.
eddie bravo
Ultimately, every girl's got to be that good.
joe rogan
Stop talking over each other so much here, boys.
bryan callen
She has a rough story, Sarah?
brendan schaub
She has a rough story.
I think her brother died or something like that in high school.
That's why she started wrestling or some shit.
joe rogan
That sucks.
Nunez cracked, too, man.
eddie bravo
Everybody want to thank her.
Prepare very hard for this fight.
unidentified
Everybody.
eddie bravo
I'd live for fire.
unidentified
I'd die for fire.
joe rogan
They're all getting better, man.
eddie bravo
Everybody's gonna pay attention to me now in the UFC. They know why I love you.
brendan schaub
Well, how long has Women's MMA been around, Joe?
joe rogan
Not very long.
unidentified
2001. 2001. What would you be saying?
eddie bravo
Translate.
bryan callen
I just want to thank Brian Kellen for his acting and his comedy.
For me, it's my big inspiration.
It's a pleasure for me to watch him so much, so I wish he was here.
And to kiss him just one time, his lips.
I know he's married.
You know, he's skinny, but he's a beautiful ass.
eddie bravo
How would Joey translate what she's saying?
joe rogan
Listen, Ron, I'm coming for you, bitch.
unidentified
You better hide.
bryan callen
Lock your fucking cats up.
joe rogan
We're making everybody up in here.
Hide your mom.
Hide your mother.
unidentified
Hide your fucking acai.
joe rogan
Put your fucking beans and rice and Fogo the Childs in half-mask.
unidentified
Run away, cocksucker.
joe rogan
That's what he said when Eddie beat Hoyler Gracie.
He called us up and he goes, Fogon and Child's got their flag at half-mast today.
unidentified
Fogon and Child has their flag at half-mast.
joe rogan
That's one of the funniest things anybody's ever said ever.
bryan callen
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
He called while I did the podcast the day after, right?
eddie bravo
Wasn't it the next day?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
That's one of those things I wish I thought of.
joe rogan
He's just so brilliant.
He called us up.
He's just like the funniest fucking guy ever.
He was on the podcast when we were talking about suicide.
It was fucked up.
We were talking about knowing people that died, and I talked about this girl that I used to date that died, and I said, Joey, do you know anybody that ever, did you ever date a girl and she wound up killing herself?
He goes, no, they should've.
He goes, I had chlamydia for seven years.
unidentified
He gets that fucking infested dick in your mouth as you shoot yourself right in the head.
eddie bravo
We are crying!
unidentified
This is the funniest thing anyone's ever said on the podcast.
joe rogan
Ever.
I'm literally, I can't breathe.
Tears are rolling down my face.
This is the pause.
He goes, no.
eddie bravo
You know you talk about Rhonda being some phenomenon MMA What about Joey fucking Diaz being a phenomenon, man?
His followers are so goddamn He's got some followers that would die for him and his periscopes He periscopes every morning and he smokes a bowl and periscope and he's got like 2,000 people watching him smoke weed every morning He's the best comedian ever I've seen them all.
brendan schaub
Ever.
joe rogan
I've seen them all.
I've seen everybody.
I've seen Live.
I saw Kinnison.
I saw Hicks in his prime.
I've worked with Richard Pryor who's out of his prime.
I saw Bill Cosby.
I saw Rodney Dangerfield in his prime.
I saw all these guys in his prime.
I think Joey's better than all of them.
I think he's the funniest guy that's ever lived.
He's the funniest.
He's crazy funny.
I don't want to give up the bit because this new Bill Cosby bit, I was screaming and slapping the table.
unidentified
I was sliding under the table and acting.
joe rogan
Goddamn, he's funny.
He's the funniest guy ever.
brendan schaub
Tell us off air.
joe rogan
Off air, I'll tell you.
brendan schaub
He's so funny.
joe rogan
I don't want to give it up, but he's...
I don't know if he's at the store tonight.
I don't know where he's at tonight, but goddamn, he's good.
eddie bravo
You know, Brian, you know what?
joe rogan
I think he's right after me tonight.
Hold on a second.
I think he's at the store.
eddie bravo
Tonight?
unidentified
Yup.
joe rogan
I'm bringing him up tonight at 1130. Oh.
It's Bobby Lee, Duncan Trussell, me, and Diaz.
That's an hour of power right there.
Joey's the best, man.
I love him.
He's a good dude.
brendan schaub
How can you not love him?
joe rogan
Warm, sweet guy.
brendan schaub
He'll call me.
I mean, me and Joey are cool.
We're cool.
But he'll call me like, how you doing, man?
I love you.
You doing all right?
eddie bravo
Love you, brother.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm good, man.
bryan callen
He said to me, he goes, you know, Joey Diaz is just a really good guy.
What do you mean?
He goes, just call me up and ask me how you're doing.
I told him he loved me.
brendan schaub
He wanted to make sure I was all right.
unidentified
He's beautiful.
eddie bravo
He's an old school gangster, man.
unidentified
He's beautiful.
eddie bravo
He don't want to text.
He just wants to talk to you.
He goes, I gotta hear your voice.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes, I go, how come you don't like text messages and voicemails?
He goes, I'm insecure.
eddie bravo
And my fingers are too fat.
joe rogan
He goes, if I fucking talk to you, I know.
Are we cool?
Everything good?
unidentified
I love you.
joe rogan
All right, I love you.
He goes, we're losing that shit.
He's right.
unidentified
He's right.
brendan schaub
He's 100% right.
joe rogan
How many times has someone texted you something?
You're like, what is that?
eddie bravo
He's the only guy I talk to on the phone.
Joey Dears.
brendan schaub
I get it.
eddie bravo
I don't talk to anybody.
I talk to Joe occasionally.
Occasionally.
But generally, it's all texting.
You're right.
joe rogan
I talk to you occasionally, I talk to Brian on a fairly regular basis, and I talk to you fairly regularly, and Joey.
And that's it.
And Duncan.
And Ari.
And Ari occasionally.
eddie bravo
I talk to Joey every day, sometimes two or three times a day.
joe rogan
But Ari mumbles so bad, I can't talk to him on the phone.
unidentified
What's wrong with that?
joe rogan
I have to be able to read his voice.
unidentified
Ari Shapiro?
joe rogan
Because he just talks like this.
I'm going to rumble.
unidentified
Yeah, this guy is fucking New York City, whatever.
eddie bravo
Is he still in New York?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Dude, Ari is balling completely out of control right now.
His podcast is killing it.
It's always like top 15, top 20 on iTunes in the comedy section.
Selling out everywhere.
Goes on tour internationally for like a month.
He's doing a month like in Australia, doing a month in Scotland.
brendan schaub
Good for him, man.
joe rogan
Just does whatever he wants.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Has an apartment in New York City that he's got somebody else that leases it while he's not there.
He has like a laptop.
He has my old couch.
Oh, he sold it.
unidentified
He sold my old couch.
bryan callen
He's not materialistic at all.
unidentified
At all.
bryan callen
He's the most unmaterialistic guy in the world.
joe rogan
But he's got money for years now.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's just been saving it.
joe rogan
He's squirled away all his money because he doesn't spend it.
He's so frugal.
I was trying to get him to buy a nice car.
I was like, dude, treat yourself to like a nice BMW 3 Series.
Hey, I go, come and drive my car.
I'll let you borrow my car for a few days.
eddie bravo
The opposite of Frugal over there.
Just give me the best shit.
brendan schaub
I'm more like Joe.
bryan callen
Joe's always been that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I think it works.
eddie bravo
I don't like the...
You know what?
I agree with you, man.
I'm the exact same way.
Me and Joe are a lot.
brendan schaub
We have cars that have trash everywhere.
eddie bravo
Our office is a fucking disaster.
And I don't like to think about money.
I go, like, today I went to Cheesecake Factory, me and my wife and my son.
$40 check.
I tipped him $15.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
eddie bravo
Or $10, sorry.
$10.
bryan callen
That's not bad, right?
brendan schaub
I wouldn't brag about it.
joe rogan
I would leave $100.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'd leave a stone cold 50 if I was going to say it on this podcast.
bryan callen
Joe, we were in Seattle and Joe...
eddie bravo
That's not bad.
bryan callen
Check this out.
We're at the airport in Seattle, me and Joe, and we get coffee.
I just get a coffee.
And Joe goes, he gives the guy money, and then I see him put something in the jar.
And he goes, get out of here.
And I go, what are you doing?
And I look, and it's a $100 bill on the tip jar.
And I go, what the fuck?
He goes, yeah, I call that a love bomb.
unidentified
Did I get He was so aggressive.
bryan callen
I put $100 in jail.
I get the fuck out of there before they even know what the fuck happened.
Like, aggressive.
I was like, alright, bro.
joe rogan
Take it easy, man.
bryan callen
I mean, did you date the guy?
joe rogan
No, you don't want credit for it.
You don't want to see, like, hey, man, did you just give me $100?
You don't even want to get credit for it.
Just get out of there.
Just get out of there and know that when you're over by gate 22, this guy's going to have a good feeling when he looks into his tip jar.
bryan callen
I love you for that.
joe rogan
You don't feel it, but they feel it.
If you can make someone feel happy like that, but it doesn't bother you at all, if you do know whether or not you have an extra 20 or an extra 50 or 100, I don't know.
It's not real.
brendan schaub
Me and Cal were talking about this the other day.
If someone needs money, I just give it to them.
I don't give a fuck, man.
joe rogan
I stopped loaning people money a long time ago, but I've given people.
brendan schaub
I give it to you.
I don't expect to get anything back.
Because if I expect to get it back, then we're going to have problems.
And then there becomes this weird kind of dynamic between us.
So if I just give it to people, and then whatever, man.
joe rogan
I've had a few friends like that.
bryan callen
See what happens with red wine?
You just keep drinking it.
brendan schaub
I mean, I'm doing good.
I'm not Joe Rogan Scrooge McDuck, Rich.
joe rogan
Yeah, but luckily, dude, you guys are on your way.
That podcast is goddamn gigantic.
I see those shirts all the time now.
I see the sex, drugs, and podcasting shirt the most for some reason.
I see that bitch everywhere.
Look at that sexy motherfucker.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
That's me.
There's a lot of it.
This is a good goddamn fight right here.
brendan schaub
Great fight.
Who else?
Is Arlovsky and Frank Mir on this one, too?
joe rogan
Dodson and Mighty Mouse?
Yes, Arlovsky and Frank Mir are on that card.
brendan schaub
Because it sucks, because these are two of the most talented guys in the UFC. Mighty Mouse might be the most talented in the world.
By far in the UFC, but these two can't carry a pay-per-view.
They just can't.
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
I really think that it's going to take some time, but I think that Mighty Mouse is such a good guy.
He's so well-spoken, and Dotson is the same thing.
Dotson is just spectacularly fucking talented.
It's just going to take a while before people realize it, but I talk about it as enthusiastically as I physically can.
brendan schaub
I know, man.
joe rogan
I'm very high on this fight.
I can't wait for this fight.
eddie bravo
I agree.
We didn't need some Russian destroyer to come in to make it interesting, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
And he got fucked up.
He got popped for PEDs.
He tested hot for EPO. He was on EPO. Yes.
And Mighty Mouse still ran a train on him.
eddie bravo
How about some Chinese guy comes in with some serious kung fu.
brendan schaub
You need a rival.
You need a rival.
eddie bravo
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
We need something.
eddie bravo
We can't have two brothers going at it at the flyweight.
brendan schaub
It's tough, man.
It's a tough sell.
eddie bravo
A Brazilian.
If we see a Brazilian, that would be interesting.
brendan schaub
I'm surprised there's not more small Brazilians killing the game.
eddie bravo
A little tiny Brazilian who's killing everybody who's like...
brendan schaub
That'd be dope.
joe rogan
You said something very controversial recently that the MMA media picked up on.
Surprise!
You said that Brazilians, they have a four-part diet.
You like jujitsu, wrestling, steroids.
What was the other one?
bryan callen
You got heat for that.
I get death threats.
There's one guy, he's like, fuck you, motherfucker, you fucking fuck, motherfucker, he used fuck 50 times.
brendan schaub
I get death threats now.
I got a legit point, man.
joe rogan
Well, you gotta, look, you know, I've heard mad accusations behind the scenes, like mad accusations, and I can't talk about it because it's not responsible, but it's that old thing from the fucking CNC Music Factory song, things that make you go, hmm, yes.
brendan schaub
100%.
No, I just don't throw these bombs out without having information behind it.
But again, there's certain stuff I can't talk about.
So I throw out these bombs and I get the people just talking shit to me like, no, no, I didn't just make this shit up, you idiots.
There's stuff I can't talk about.
joe rogan
You're coming from a place of knowledge.
You're not some dude who works in a tire shop who's talking shit.
brendan schaub
Yes, no.
joe rogan
He's never strapped on a cup.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If anybody's allowed to talk about it, you know, this is a big fight for me, man.
I really am into this fight.
Look at how fucking goddamn fast John Dotson is.
And not only that, John Dotson knocks motherfuckers dead.
He knocked out TJ Dillashaw.
Look at this.
Look at that.
Come on, son.
Who the fuck knocks guys out at flyweight?
brendan schaub
Dude, he's so powerful.
Me and him is my second fight ever.
unidentified
Look at him.
bryan callen
Look at him.
brendan schaub
Listen to this, my second fight ever in Washington, and I have my headphones on, and John Dotson and I are in the same locker room because Greg Jackson was cornering us.
It was by far my biggest fight at the time, my only second fight ever.
And I was fighting this Olympic wrestler, Johnny Curtis, and I have my headphones in, and I'm so nervous, I'm like, Fuck, man, this wrestler, man, he's about to dry hump the fuck out of me.
And I'm getting ready to walk out, and I'm listening to Rihanna in my headphones.
eddie bravo
Which one?
brendan schaub
I forget which one, but it's like more of an up-tempo beat.
joe rogan
Look at Tim Johnson's mustache before we go any further.
bryan callen
Let's keep him away from the high school.
joe rogan
Kudos to you, sir.
Kudos to you, sir.
Continue.
brendan schaub
So I'm walking out for this big fight, and John Dodson goes, hey, we don't know each other very well at all.
He goes, hey, are you listening to Rihanna, man?
I went, yeah.
He goes, fuck, that's lame.
I went, hmm.
Oh, I don't know.
Oh, thanks, man.
joe rogan
And he just kept walking.
brendan schaub
I'll never forget that, man.
joe rogan
He said, fuck, that's lame.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's like, fuck, that's lame.
joe rogan
That's funny.
brendan schaub
Literally as I'm walking to the octagon.
joe rogan
He's being silly.
brendan schaub
No, he's a silly-ass dude.
joe rogan
He's a silly dude.
brendan schaub
He's working at Buffalo Wild Wings at the time.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
He pulls the mustache off, this guy.
Usually, you know, it's a pedophile thing.
joe rogan
No, he's an animal.
He pulls it off.
And Rochelt's a bad motherfucker, too.
He's a team takedown.
bryan callen
Big boys.
joe rogan
With Hendrix.
He's doing a Hendrix-Tyron Woodley fight.
brendan schaub
That's interesting.
That's a great fight.
joe rogan
It is.
Look at that goddamn Tim Johnson mustache.
I love you.
eddie bravo
You know what?
Real soon, that's going to be popular amongst high school kids.
brendan schaub
I agree.
eddie bravo
We're all going to wear them.
brendan schaub
I'll be the first one here with that bullshit mustache.
Just fucking...
bryan callen
That doesn't look good on you, sir.
brendan schaub
Well, you don't know.
eddie bravo
I think slowly, the one that goes down.
The one that goes down.
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
I've seen it.
eddie bravo
It's gonna come back.
bryan callen
First of all, it doesn't come in that this one.
unidentified
It doesn't.
joe rogan
You could work on that.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
unidentified
Figure out a way to fucking put some testosterone.
eddie bravo
You know what's gonna happen?
It's gonna come in, it's gonna be popular, everyone's gonna have one of those Tom Selleck mustaches, then it's gonna get played out, and it's gonna be gross, and then the new young kids are gonna look at you when you're older with that mustache.
bryan callen
He looks like an overgrown musketeer.
joe rogan
Eddie overthinks everything when it comes to style and fashion.
eddie bravo
At one point, the Burt Reynolds child molester mustache was fucking getting you pussy.
brendan schaub
No, they kind of came in.
They came back for a little while, and then they faded back out.
eddie bravo
Look at now, beards.
Beards are so in.
Who would have ever thought Grizzly Adams would look cool?
brendan schaub
Beards are going away now, though.
Beards are like a fucking tramp stamp.
Everyone has one.
eddie bravo
No, I think beards are pretty strong.
brendan schaub
No, I'm telling you, they're not, man.
It's on its way out.
bryan callen
You think so?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
The way Joe always wears his is what's in right now.
joe rogan
I'm a trendsetter, bitch.
brendan schaub
I read GQ every week.
eddie bravo
How about the 5 o'clock is in now?
brendan schaub
5 o'clock is what you want.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, I'm going to rule that shit.
bryan callen
I was doing 5 o'clock before it was cool.
eddie bravo
Because I was lazy.
bryan callen
I'm not good with style.
That's what I just said.
joe rogan
I just said that.
So it's called being lazy.
eddie bravo
Oh really?
joe rogan
You don't even listen.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
I'm ripping off your material subconsciously.
joe rogan
You repeated punchlines seconds later.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
Who can do that?
bryan callen
It's called the Bravo Echo.
brendan schaub
The beard and skinny jeans is like a tribal freaking band tattoo.
joe rogan
Well, it's also like cardigans went away.
They were in for a while.
Guys were trying to look lame on purpose.
Rolled up pants seem to be in.
A lot of guys are rolling up the bottoms of their pants.
Oh, roll out pants!
brendan schaub
How long is that gonna last?
joe rogan
I gotta turn you onto these fucking jeans.
They're called barbell jeans.
I just started wearing them.
brendan schaub
My shit was tightening up this.
joe rogan
Wait, what are they?
These motherfuckers?
Dude, these are, look at this.
They're made out of like this stretchy hair.
brendan schaub
Oh, and then they bounce back.
joe rogan
Dude, they're like sweatpants!
Look, you have no restriction.
eddie bravo
You want stretchy jeans?
joe rogan
Totally, 100%.
eddie bravo
Girls been wearing them for a while now.
joe rogan
But dude, they're loose.
They're good for stretchy jeans.
eddie bravo
Good for turning sidekicks.
brendan schaub
Sorry, guys.
joe rogan
Guys, what if you get jumped by ninjas?
brendan schaub
Sorry guys, not worried about it, man.
joe rogan
For like sitting around.
unidentified
For comfortable.
joe rogan
They're the most comfortable jeans I've ever worn by far.
It's like sweatpants.
eddie bravo
What year did Tramp Stamps get gross?
On a dude.
What year?
brendan schaub
On a dude?
They were always gross on a dude.
eddie bravo
No, no.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen one of them.
eddie bravo
Your memory is...
joe rogan
It depends on which dudes you're fucking.
brendan schaub
Wait, do you have one?
eddie bravo
No.
You fucking have one?
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
There you do.
eddie bravo
I wish I did.
brendan schaub
Let me see your lower back.
bryan callen
Arch your back.
Lick your lips.
Let me see what's going on.
There you go.
brendan schaub
There you go, Eddie.
bryan callen
There you go, Eddie.
brendan schaub
Nothing.
bryan callen
I'm just checking, Eddie.
You got a back on you, though.
joe rogan
Because you defended the shit houses on his coccyx from doing the guard.
eddie bravo
No, what I'm saying is, at one point, it wasn't not cool.
But at one point, nobody had it.
joe rogan
That's incorrect.
eddie bravo
They were never cool, bro.
joe rogan
For males, it's always a critical error.
eddie bravo
The first dude, are you telling me the first dude that got a tramp stamp, people thought he was gay?
unidentified
He came to his buddies and his buddies went, God, that's a bad idea, bro.
bryan callen
If you're a Tommy Lee, leave me.
unidentified
Right away.
eddie bravo
So you're saying right away.
bryan callen
Right away.
brendan schaub
It was never cool.
Now if a girl has it, I see a girl with that, I'm like, yo, do you have good parents?
Nah, my dad sucks.
Cool, let's talk.
I do those kind of guys.
eddie bravo
But for a girl even, it's kind of not cool, right?
Not now.
joe rogan
It depends.
unidentified
It's a little slutty thing now.
bryan callen
It doesn't bother me at all.
eddie bravo
Do girls still get tramp stamps?
joe rogan
No, absolutely not.
eddie bravo
I think they don't even get them.
They don't even get them.
I think tramp stamps are at an all-time low.
unidentified
Girls are ribs, right?
eddie bravo
I think if we saw a graph of the tramp stamp, you would see 1993, the fucking peak!
And then BAM! And by 2015, that shit's fucking...
joe rogan
It's true.
eddie bravo
Where do you get them?
joe rogan
That's true.
There's not as many, but if a girl has something artistic back there, like really good work, it's like the tribal stuff is kind of like, why are you doing that back there?
But every now and then you'll see something that looks really good.
bryan callen
You'll see like a Yakuza tattoo.
eddie bravo
That is so rare.
Personally for me, I don't give a shit.
If a girl has a tramp stamp, who gives a fuck if she's hot?
unidentified
You should start a website called reallygoodtrampstamps.com.
brendan schaub
I'm sure it's out there.
eddie bravo
Who gives a fuck?
joe rogan
Let's see if reallygoodtrampstamps.com is hot.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine a guy, a hot chick, she's cool, she's making you laugh, and you turn around, and then you're like, oh no, I'm out of this bitch.
joe rogan
Fuck no!
Guess what, guys?
Reallygoodtrampstamp.com does not exist.
unidentified
What?!
joe rogan
So anyone listening, go for it.
unidentified
Hey, this heavyweight fight is probably not going to last long.
brendan schaub
Because they're both wrestlers.
joe rogan
Let's see what this fight is all about.
eddie bravo
Does she have a trap step?
bryan callen
She's pretty.
joe rogan
Who's that young lady?
brendan schaub
Did you see the new Brazilian ring card girl?
joe rogan
Which one?
brendan schaub
The new one!
joe rogan
Alright, Tim Johnson and Jared Rochalt.
Yeah, well, there's a bunch of really pretty ones, man, for sure.
brendan schaub
Bro, this new one I just saw the other day.
I almost fell in my seat.
joe rogan
Tim Johnson, Jared Rochalt.
Tim Johnson's the one that looks like Bronson from that Australian movie.
bryan callen
Yeah, right.
brendan schaub
English movie.
unidentified
Was it English?
brendan schaub
English, yeah.
bryan callen
It's a big fella.
joe rogan
The Australian guy, Tom Hardy, was the actor, right?
Yes.
Great movie.
bryan callen
There's a couple of big white guys.
joe rogan
Big boys.
Big fucking boys.
bryan callen
Giant whites.
brendan schaub
A lot of flesh flying around right now.
joe rogan
A lot of stakes.
Like, there's different stakes when you're fucking dealing with a 230-pound man punching you.
Right, Brendan?
brendan schaub
Yeah, a jab will rock your world.
joe rogan
You were talking about that, about the 225 division.
You got a good point, man.
I think that's exactly the right weight, too.
brendan schaub
225 makes sense.
Yeah, that's the right weight.
Because you're talking about, you know, if I weigh in at, you know, I've weighed in as light as 231, 232, and I've weighed in as 265. Basically, 35 pounds heavier.
That's insane.
joe rogan
And you would get a lot of those guys cutting weight down, too, to get to 225. All the time, man.
You get a lot of guys.
I mean, we have guys that have cut to get to 265, right?
unidentified
Tim Sylvia, Brock Lesnar.
brendan schaub
Soapololele, he just lost, right?
joe rogan
He had to cut to 265. I was there when Tim Sylvia was at his most muscular best, when he beat Rico and those days.
Tim Sylvia was giant.
brendan schaub
Good luck beating that guy.
joe rogan
He used to cut weight to get to 265. A lot of people sleep on Tim Sylvia, but I'll tell you what, the Tim Sylvia that beat Rico Rodriguez, He was a monster.
brendan schaub
One of the best heavyweights.
Especially at that time, would be one of the hardest heavyweights to be in.
You're talking about a guy, how tall is he?
unidentified
Six?
brendan schaub
Eight?
joe rogan
Something crazy like that.
brendan schaub
Crazy.
Crazy takedown defense.
Great stand-up.
That motherfucker who was bad.
eddie bravo
Who was that?
joe rogan
Kim Sylvia.
brendan schaub
Kim Sylvia.
He doesn't get enough credit.
unidentified
Game as fuck.
joe rogan
Game as fuck.
brendan schaub
Super game.
joe rogan
Frank Mir breaks his arm.
He's trying to punch him with the other arm.
brendan schaub
Didn't even know.
eddie bravo
Do you remember the Noguera fight?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
How did Noguera win?
brendan schaub
Guillotine.
eddie bravo
How?
joe rogan
Because he reversed him.
brendan schaub
He baited him into it and reversed guillotine.
eddie bravo
He baited him.
Baited how?
Go back, back, backtrack.
brendan schaub
Was it Winslow from half guard and he let him get up and then got it?
eddie bravo
How did he get to half guard?
joe rogan
Pulled guard.
brendan schaub
Did he pull?
unidentified
Half guard?
joe rogan
Pulled guard.
He got hit.
He got tagged.
He got hurt.
He pulled guard.
eddie bravo
No, he just went for a shitty single.
brendan schaub
Oh, and then went to his back.
eddie bravo
And then pulled a deep half.
brendan schaub
There you go.
eddie bravo
Swept him with a deep half.
Got on top.
brendan schaub
That's right.
eddie bravo
Top half and then guillotined him.
He couldn't take him down.
joe rogan
And he was losing.
Didn't Tim Sylvia heard him?
eddie bravo
Tim Sylvia was fucking him up standing.
And he couldn't take him down, and he was like, I'm losing this motherfucker.
I can't take him down.
So what did he do?
unidentified
What did he do?
eddie bravo
He said, I gotta pull fucking guard.
joe rogan
Okay, so he pulled guard by going with a fake takedown.
eddie bravo
Like a shitty single, and then he just fell.
And then he just swept him.
He outsmarted him.
brendan schaub
And then baited him into sitting up, grabbed the neck, and then choked him out.
eddie bravo
He just went right through him.
He had to pull guard to get that fucking gun.
joe rogan
How goddamn tough is Noguera?
Did you see the fight with Stefan Struve?
brendan schaub
I wanted to jump out of my TV and be like, can someone please stop this?
Fuck this, man.
joe rogan
He's too tough.
He's too tough.
brendan schaub
He's too tough for his own good.
He's getting destroyed.
joe rogan
His body was getting just smashed.
brendan schaub
That made me feel sick.
Speaking of great heavyweights, Fedor, in the talk with the UFC. Why'd they just stop this?
joe rogan
They separated him because they weren't active enough.
eddie bravo
What do you think?
You just give him Verdum right away and say, fuck the world.
brendan schaub
It's Fedor.
eddie bravo
Say, fuck the world.
We're going to do it.
Fuck you guys.
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
joe rogan
You don't have to be so aggressive.
brendan schaub
It's business.
eddie bravo
No, because you know what?
Because there's It's going to be a bunch of douchebags out there going, he should have to earn his way to the top.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter, man.
brendan schaub
No, it's Fedor.
No one's really going to say that.
I have a guy call me.
joe rogan
You're always going to have people complaining.
brendan schaub
Always, no matter what you decide.
eddie bravo
He lost a big foot.
He lost a...
joe rogan
Look at this.
Rochalt.
brendan schaub
He's trying to get to full mount.
For sure let go of that headlock.
joe rogan
No, he's in full mount, man.
He's in full mount.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, he is now.
For sure.
joe rogan
This dummy doesn't know what he's doing.
brendan schaub
He has no idea.
joe rogan
He could go Von Flu choke.
brendan schaub
Yep.
bryan callen
Should he jump over to the other side with both feet?
brendan schaub
No, he should go Von Flu.
He's going Von Flu.
joe rogan
He's going Von Flu.
Or Von Flu.
brendan schaub
No, he has Von Flu.
eddie bravo
Or Kimura.
bryan callen
What's up?
eddie bravo
Von Flu.
brendan schaub
Go to the other side.
joe rogan
Yeah, this side's Von Flu.
eddie bravo
Oh, he's out.
joe rogan
This side's Von Flu.
brendan schaub
He's going to put him out.
joe rogan
He let go, but he still could get choked out here.
brendan schaub
I had a Fox reporter call me.
He's like, I want to get your thoughts of fighting Fedor.
You got no interview, man.
There's no thoughts.
I don't even deserve to fight that guy.
joe rogan
They just know you're a loose cannon.
brendan schaub
You'll say nutty shit.
They know I'm going to drop some bombs.
Not when it comes to Fedor, though.
I was just like, I got nothing for you, man.
I wouldn't disrespect that guy like that.
He needs to fight for the title.
joe rogan
I think he goes right to Verdum.
eddie bravo
Oh, so if they wanted you to fight him?
If they said, hey, let's get Fedor in here.
We'll introduce him.
brendan schaub
A warm-up?
eddie bravo
Yeah, we'll get him Brendan Shaw.
You wouldn't do it?
brendan schaub
I probably would for Fedor.
But they're not going to do that.
He needs to go right to Fedor.
Yeah.
You never know.
joe rogan
It doesn't make sense, man.
eddie bravo
I personally, I would give him right to Verdum.
bryan callen
How about Cain?
Cain Velasquez?
eddie bravo
Yeah, let's not give him any...
Let's just go right to what he wants.
unidentified
The rematch.
eddie bravo
The story is the rematch.
unidentified
That's the story.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this about these shorts.
Are you allowed to wear regular shorts or tight shorts?
Yeah, you pick.
brendan schaub
Reebok makes both.
joe rogan
Don't you think they should just go with only tights so that grabbing them is no longer an issue?
brendan schaub
No, because some guys are self-conscious about it and they don't feel comfortable in tights.
So you're going to force me to wear fucking tights now?
joe rogan
You're already in your underwear.
brendan schaub
It's not a problem.
eddie bravo
People grabbing shorts is not a problem.
brendan schaub
It's not a game changer.
It's not like an epic problem.
joe rogan
Oh, it does come up occasionally.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but it's not like, holy shit, these guys keep grabbing shorts.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
I feel you, though.
joe rogan
I just feel like it's like, even if it's one percent or one-tenth of one percent of clinch situations, you can avoid that.
brendan schaub
True.
I'm not trying to see fucking...
eddie bravo
It's not a problem, though.
brendan schaub
This dude with the mustache and some tights, though.
It's bad for marketing, bro.
joe rogan
Is Rochelle wearing tights or shorts?
It looks like shorts.
brendan schaub
He's just so goddamn big they look like tights.
joe rogan
I like that American flag on his chest.
Pull that chest apart.
bryan callen
It's an interesting American.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
bryan callen
He's American underneath his skin.
brendan schaub
Heart of American.
joe rogan
Not like this fucking guy from Australia that used to be in prison.
bryan callen
We're about to fight.
eddie bravo
Damn!
That guy's mean-looking.
joe rogan
Australian prisoner.
eddie bravo
His body looks like- Oh, man!
unidentified
Yeah, his body is- If he fucked you in the ass, you wouldn't be shocked.
bryan callen
He's got a relaxed physique.
He looks like you're fucking- He's rather relaxed.
joe rogan
It would be the humiliation of not just a big guy fucking you, but feeling his gut slap against your ass.
eddie bravo
But you wouldn't be shocked at all.
You wouldn't be surprised.
joe rogan
The sides of his gut wrap around the sides of your ass.
brendan schaub
Chris touched his shirt, and that went through my mind.
I thought, if I lose this guy, he's the worst body I've ever seen.
joe rogan
How dare you?
brendan schaub
How dare you?
unidentified
Knock the gentleman out.
bryan callen
There's got to be a way.
He could definitely lose that gut.
That gut is...
joe rogan
All they have to do is just not eat the same foods.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's kind of rocked them.
joe rogan
Oh, the standard American diet.
I mean, these guys are big, giant dudes.
But listen, it's real simple.
Calories in, calories out.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
If you're carrying around that much body fat, you're taking in too many calories.
bryan callen
And the wrong kind of calories.
joe rogan
The question is, though...
25 to 30. But is there a benefit?
Is there a benefit to carrying a little body fat like these guys are if you don't have a weight limit and maybe you're not as big as, say, a Bigfoot solo?
A little?
brendan schaub
A little?
My boy Tony's just, he said, fuck it.
Fuck it.
A tan for what?
joe rogan
A tan.
brendan schaub
Calorie restriction for what?
joe rogan
You're talking about, like, looks.
But forget about looks.
Is there any benefit to, like, having this extra weight?
No.
Especially if you're on top?
brendan schaub
Hell no.
bryan callen
What about padding?
eddie bravo
Does it make that much of a difference?
bryan callen
It's rather unsightly.
joe rogan
It's unsightly.
bryan callen
I'd be the first to say it, but I think it's rather unsightly.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a backpack?
You ever take your backpack off and it's just your laptop in it and some other bullshit?
You take it off and you're like, phew, that's light.
brendan schaub
Yeah, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Think about that.
That's like 10 pounds.
I mean, these guys might have like two or three fucking backpacks on all the time.
They just got used to it.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if they got rid of that shit, they would move a lot better.
eddie bravo
That's a good analogy.
I never looked at it as backpacks.
brendan schaub
You feel fucking good when you take a loaded backpack off.
Like, holy fuck.
eddie bravo
When you take a t-shirt off, you feel way better.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
Look, I've worn backpacks.
When Rinella and I were hunting, Brian, we wore backpacks and carried rifles for miles and miles.
It's annoying.
When you take that stupid...
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
How much does a rifle weigh?
brendan schaub
You feel like a feather.
bryan callen
25, 30 pounds.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, my rifle's pretty heavy.
brendan schaub
It's a heavy rifle.
joe rogan
I think when you take that rifle off and you set it down, you feel lighter.
bryan callen
I think it weighs about 15 pounds, right, a rifle?
joe rogan
Well, it's probably at least 15. Let's say 15. Mine's a really heavy rifle.
30's a shit rifle.
bryan callen
I bet your rifle's easily 20 pounds.
joe rogan
But either way, the bottom line is it's awkward and you're carrying all that weight around.
You've got fat around your legs that impedes your legs from moving as quick as they should.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Especially like kicks and stuff.
Could you imagine if you had to throw kicks and you had like five pairs of pants on?
How goddamn annoying that would be?
unidentified
It'd be tough.
brendan schaub
But think about it.
Well, first of all, and this is the way that Johnson dude, that belly's not helping right now.
unidentified
This is the way that Johnson dude looks training for eight weeks.
brendan schaub
Now think about when he says, fuck it and retires.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Think about when he says, fuck this noise.
joe rogan
I know, this guy's in good shape.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's in good shape.
He's in the middle of the second round still kicking.
Once he retires, it's off to the races.
joe rogan
Didn't Paul Harris say that about Jake Shields, that Jake Shields was greased?
brendan schaub
He says that about everyone.
joe rogan
Yeah, we thought that about Nate Marquardt, but Nate Marquardt explained it.
Nate Marquardt put rubber pants on, he got a real good sweat before he went out there.
brendan schaub
For that exact reason, and then knocked his ass out.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm not stupid, because I'm going to come out there sweaty.
eddie bravo
Yep, with shave your legs and all that shit.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck it.
He didn't shave your legs.
bryan callen
Who's got the fucking razor?
joe rogan
He's suspended and they took away his title.
They stripped him of his title.
bryan callen
Well deserved.
joe rogan
Well, I think they're going to bring him, I mean, if they get rid of him, oh, Rochardt looking for the head and arm.
I think if they get rid of him, he goes to Bellator.
I think Bellator would be crazy to not take him.
eddie bravo
I agree.
joe rogan
For sure.
He'd be crazy to not take him.
He's got so much controversy behind him.
brendan schaub
He's a bad boy.
joe rogan
Everybody's afraid of him.
Let me just get him some ayahuasca therapy, take him out to the fucking jungle, give him a straw hat.
brendan schaub
That shit ain't gonna work, dog.
joe rogan
Give him a fucking coconut with a straw in it.
You know what?
brendan schaub
I think if someone else signs up, Brian, Brian goes, hey, I need you to do me a favor.
You need to whoop Paul Harry's ass.
I ain't whooping his ass.
I'm scared of that motherfucker as much as everyone else.
bryan callen
I'll give you steel, I'll give you steel, ankle girdles, and goggles.
eddie bravo
Will it make your organization look bad if you signed him?
Will the public turn against that organization when they start petitioning him?
brendan schaub
Don't give a fuck.
They had Ken Shamrock and Kimbo Slices.
eddie bravo
This is different.
joe rogan
Americana, look at the tap.
Look at the tap.
Look at that left hand.
The left hand's not defending.
It's thinking it's happening.
Look at that hand.
That hand is thinking.
Yeah, but this is okay up here.
Up here's okay.
It's really when you get it down to your body that you have no room for movement.
brendan schaub
He just needs to free that.
bryan callen
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
Sometimes guys just don't know about just sucking it up next to the guy's ribs.
Or he's exhausted.
That's possible, too.
brendan schaub
They're focused on the arm that's being attacked instead of using the other one to escape.
That's the way out.
joe rogan
Well, the guy on the bottom, yeah.
brendan schaub
The guy on the top.
joe rogan
The guy at the top, once you have that double wrist lock, you gotta concentrate everything on getting that fucking elbow to his side.
That's everything.
Getting the elbow to the side- Keeping it tight.
Yeah.
Bringing it down, I think he was going for the Americana, right?
So if he brings it down towards the ribcage, the amount of movement that you could tolerate is so small.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's not much range.
joe rogan
Yeah, up here, there's so much range up there.
A guy can fuck you.
If a guy is really strong, like some Alistair ovary motherfucker can get you up here and it'll hurt and you'll just tap just because you know it's going to get ripped apart anyway.
But anybody can get you down here.
Like once that thing gets down to your ribs, boy, the tolerance of the shoulder joint in that position.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's not much movement there.
joe rogan
It's powerful Rhonda in another commercial.
Jesus fucking Christ!
brendan schaub
That's her fourth one, I think.
What's Overeem?
What the fuck's up with Overeem?
joe rogan
Overeem Junior Dos Santos.
I just called it today.
I did a countdown thing for it today.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
That's official?
joe rogan
I don't know, but I just leaked it.
Sorry.
unidentified
When's that going down?
joe rogan
Sometimes I do things that don't ever take place.
There's a bunch of fights that I have done countdown shows for that have never taken place.
I did two theoretical fights today.
I did two theoretical fights that may or may not happen, but they haven't been signed.
That might have been one of them.
I forget.
brendan schaub
Another one was Cyborg Rousey.
joe rogan
No, I didn't do that.
But I've done some before where the fights never took place.
Or, you know, along the way.
brendan schaub
Something falls out.
joe rogan
Something falls out.
People get injured.
I think they've been fighting.
They've been trying for this fight for a long time.
But what's going on right now is that Junior is coming back from surgery.
brendan schaub
He's never been the same after those Kane fights, man.
I'm a big junior fan, but he's never been the same.
That Stipe fight that he barely won.
Yeah.
Dude, he's just never... you can't go that many rounds.
You only have so many rounds in your career, man.
unidentified
It sucks.
joe rogan
It's 100% true.
There's no way anybody can avoid it.
It's just the way of the game.
We've seen it too many times.
There's no one who gets out of it without...
I mean, even Mark Hunt.
When Stipe beat the shit out of Mark Hunt, that was like...
You could see that this is a different Mark Hunt.
This is a Mark Hunt that's like at the end of the line.
brendan schaub
Well, I was talking to...
joe rogan
Tough as he is.
brendan schaub
I was talking to my buddy Cody.
joe rogan
God, that guy's tough.
brendan schaub
My buddy Cody goes to Vegas to have his brain researched by some clinic there, and they're using fighters.
And they're doing a lifetime test where you go every year, and they do five years, ten years.
And Cody went back for his five years until he did it five years ago.
And they said, when you get knocked out, it affects...
It depends on you, on your brain.
It can affect certain parts.
For some people, it's the way they act.
For some people, it's the way they think.
For a lot of people, it's their motor skills.
It just depends.
For a lot of people, it's their speech.
So he was saying it just depends on...
Basically the way your brain's designed.
And he was telling Cody that there's certain fights, and he was having Cody go through all his fight history, and he goes, there's certain fights where, for whatever reason, you took one punch and you will never be the same.
bryan callen
Ever.
brendan schaub
It doesn't matter what you do, but you will never be the same fighter ever again.
bryan callen
Because it affects a certain part of your brain?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it affects a certain brain that will never, ever be the same again.
bryan callen
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had Kirk from MixedMartialArts.com on the podcast, and he was talking to me about this guy that we knew that they told him he could never get hit in the head again.
They're like, don't ever get hit in the head again.
bryan callen
Because of an aneurysm?
joe rogan
It's been just cracked too many times.
Or one time too many.
You can get head kicked, especially if you get head kicked.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
It's so hard and nasty.
Me and Cody were talking about our original team.
I'm not going to mention names, but we were going through it.
I'm like, bro, who's doing well now?
Who's the same mentally that we can talk to?
There's not many, man.
There's just not many guys, and we had a ridiculous team.
joe rogan
If you're watching a guy like, say, Anthony Pettis.
Anthony Pettis, when he knocked out Joe Lozon with that nasty head kick, or knocked out Cerrone with that body kick.
How many times can you let Anthony Pettis kick you before you're never the same again?
There's a certain amount of numbers you can get hit with.
That guy hits you so fucking fast and hard, and when he hits guys, they slump.
They blam!
And then they slump.
Like Lozon.
Lozon's tough as fuck.
tj kirk
You watch that head kick, and you go, Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Or the Iaquinta fight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You know, it's tough, man.
But the thing that people forget, you're only going to get those crazy hits.
The body doesn't know whether you're doing it in training or you're doing it for money.
The body does not know if it counts for the UFC or in training.
joe rogan
Well, did you see the glory?
Joseph Valtellini relinquished his title because of post-concussion syndrome.
brendan schaub
No, I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Valtellini was the glory champ.
unidentified
Badass.
joe rogan
Bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Super bad.
joe rogan
Right up there with Nicky Holtzkin.
They had a great fight.
Nicky stopped him in the last round.
Nicky was winning the fight, but it was a good fight.
And Mark DeBond, he's another guy that he fought.
He head-kicked DeBond, knocked him down.
I mean, he's fucking very, very high level.
And he goes, you know what?
I gotta stop.
I gotta stop and take some time off.
So he did commentary on this last card.
It's a reality that everybody wants to avoid.
It's a part of this because it's everything you do.
You throw your whole heart and soul into it.
It just doesn't seem fair that everything you love and everything that makes you who you are and gives you your identity is also stealing your mind.
brendan schaub
But that's why people respect fighters.
That's why we look up to fighters and that's why fighters are a lot of people's heroes.
But there's a price.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Well, it's also combat sports.
There are two parts of your body that are not made for combat sports, no matter what.
Your knees and your head.
You know, regardless.
joe rogan
I thought you were going to say your dick and your balls.
brendan schaub
Yeah, me too.
bryan callen
And your dick and your balls.
brendan schaub
I thought you were going to say your dick and your brain.
joe rogan
It's the back too, Brian.
bryan callen
I have contact.
joe rogan
The back is worse because they can fix the knees.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They can do some pretty good fixing of the knees.
brendan schaub
They can basically fix everything except your brain.
With science these days.
joe rogan
Almost.
brendan schaub
Almost.
joe rogan
There's some back stuff that they really can't fix.
brendan schaub
Your knees really aren't an issue.
That's a bad point.
bryan callen
But your knees are always the first to go, aren't they?
unidentified
Not really.
brendan schaub
Your brain for sure goes before everything else.
joe rogan
Well, your knees can go early, but they can fix them and make them better than they were before as long as you don't have too much meniscus and cartilage damage.
And now, apparently, they're regenerating cartilage with these stem cell treatments.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is like what we have now.
What's it going to be like five years from now?
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
They have a scaffolding now that allows them to regrow meniscus.
bryan callen
I wonder if they have to take a cadaver, I think.
joe rogan
No, it's an artificial meniscus.
It's something that they create.
I think it's like they take the...
Oh, shit!
This fight is getting crazy.
Johnson just hit Roshaw with a bomb of a right hand.
Now he's got him down on the ground.
bryan callen
I wonder what percentage of NFL football players have had knee surgery.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
brendan schaub
Knee surgery?
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I mean, a ton.
bryan callen
Probably like 90%.
brendan schaub
They're getting hit in the knees, though.
bryan callen
90%.
brendan schaub
Well, they took away chop blocking.
Like, you can't tack out the knees.
There's no chop blocking.
There's certain rules they put in.
joe rogan
But in a scramble, crazy shit happens.
Just like sometimes guys don't mean to punch a guy in the back of the head.
Crazy shit happens, and that happens in football, too.
brendan schaub
Well, in the NFL, now the guy's running fucking 30 yards, runs a 4-3 in the 40. What?
bryan callen
What?
brendan schaub
Football is gnarly as fuck.
bryan callen
So nuts.
joe rogan
It's so crazy to think of how fucking powerful these guys are.
brendan schaub
I love it.
joe rogan
It's insane.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
bryan callen
I couldn't stop staring at Aldon Smith.
joe rogan
He was in just a pair of shorts.
Oh, the guy that we were talking about on the TV last night?
Is that the guy you were talking about?
unidentified
The guy you got cut by the 49ers?
joe rogan
He got cut?
brendan schaub
The 49ers released him, but I can't talk about it, but I have some shit that I know because I talked to Tariq, his head coach, and you'll see.
bryan callen
He's okay, huh?
brendan schaub
He's fine.
bryan callen
I love that guy.
brendan schaub
It's a bummer.
bryan callen
I love that guy.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, look at this fucking exchange.
brendan schaub
I don't know who won.
I didn't watch close enough.
joe rogan
I didn't watch close enough either.
brendan schaub
Anytime a heavyweight fight gets a decision, no one's a fan.
Believe me.
joe rogan
Oh, that was a wild fight, man.
bryan callen
Yeah, that was a wild fight.
brendan schaub
I think our definition of wild is different, but yeah.
joe rogan
That was kind of fun to watch.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
I'm going to say wild.
joe rogan
It's not the greatest.
My God, Brendan.
brendan schaub
I'll just say it's not wild, bro.
joe rogan
Let the gentlemen have their bout.
unidentified
He's being rather judgmental and confrontational.
brendan schaub
I would do that.
joe rogan
I'm going to eat into the mic for sure.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
We tried to hide those.
brendan schaub
I knew he was going to do this.
joe rogan
Where'd you get those?
I'm not going to eat into that.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
We can hear it.
joe rogan
We can hear that shit loud and clear, dude.
Yeah.
These are good microphones.
This isn't your setup.
This isn't Fox.
These are real microphones.
This is all high-tech shit.
bryan callen
Hold on now.
Hold on.
brendan schaub
Yep, can still hear it.
joe rogan
There's microphones that we can get that'll catch even more of the atmosphere of the room than this, but I think this is the right compromise.
brendan schaub
This is my favorite studio, man, I've ever been in.
I love this studio.
joe rogan
Me too.
I gotta recreate this bitch in the new spot.
brendan schaub
I was telling you guys a little bit off here, because we were renegotiating our contract with Fox, And the heads of Fox, the suits, they hate the kid in Big Brown, but they love our numbers.
joe rogan
How do you know they hate you?
unidentified
Are you paranoid?
bryan callen
They don't know the podcast.
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
They don't know the podcast.
But they listen to it because, like, what's going on?
We're getting all these comments, and then me and Brian are talking about dick jokes and honeydicking and chicken heads.
bryan callen
It's not very corporate.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's not very corporate.
joe rogan
Tell them what they tell you.
unidentified
This is Pete.
brendan schaub
He goes, is there any way you guys can talk less about dicks?
Is there any way?
I went, no!
No, that's what we do, bro!
bryan callen
Probably not.
brendan schaub
We just can't.
bryan callen
We're too young to do that.
joe rogan
I'm 48. Well, here's the thing, man.
Once they start asking you, it's just never going to stop.
brendan schaub
No, no, that was the term, though, because we came to an agreement.
And they go, we're going to let you keep doing your thing because you have great numbers.
You guys do that.
And now we're going to do, we just signed this deal to do digital shows of Brian and myself like Robin Bigg.
joe rogan
What's Robin Bigg?
brendan schaub
Basically like...
How would you describe Robin Bigg, Jamie?
joe rogan
What is it?
brendan schaub
It's a reality show.
But like, you do stupid stuff like Brian and I are going to attempt Naked and Afraid.
We're going to go fucking out in the woods butt naked.
joe rogan
Who let you do this?
Why didn't you guys talk to me first?
unidentified
Don't do this.
bryan callen
Don't do a reality show.
It's not a reality show.
brendan schaub
It's an extension of the podcast.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's just two or three minute sketches.
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
Like sketches.
joe rogan
Naked and Afraid for two or three minutes.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah, Brendan learns how to be an actor.
joe rogan
Your podcast numbers are undeniable now.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's going well.
joe rogan
You're getting 50 cent as a fucking guest.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
All these different people are your guests.
It's undeniable.
So once that happens, there's really nothing they can do.
They fucked up.
It's like what happened with the internet.
The government, I'm sure, would not like everyone to have access to all the information in the world all the time.
But the door's open.
There's nothing they can do about it now.
Once it gets open like that, that's what it is.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they were cool about it.
They're just like, hey man.
joe rogan
What is the Kings of Leon?
It's a band.
brendan schaub
They haven't done shit in a while though.
Things are rough in Nashville if that's the star there.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's all it's there.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
No Big Brown in the audience.
Smiling.
brendan schaub
No one's invited Big Brown to fight.
joe rogan
Big Brown's on the outs.
eddie bravo
Their latest album has a really good song called Wait For Me.
Most of the album, not that really into.
Not my cup of tea, but wait for me.
brendan schaub
I'm worried if I show up to a UFC event, they're going to put me in the nosebleeds and be like, you've got to wear all this Reebok shit.
joe rogan
Well, lucky for you, you know somebody with tickets.
unidentified
Yeah!
bryan callen
Over in St. Prue.
joe rogan
They're not gonna do that to you, man.
They wouldn't put you in the lowest place.
Listen, you're an ally and an asset for the UFC. You're a huge UFC fan.
brendan schaub
Huge fan.
joe rogan
But someone like Fox, they're gonna have a problem with what you're doing because it's so unconventional.
And if you say something ridiculous, they're the ones who are gonna get blamed for it.
Who let these fucking guys get on the Fox network?
brendan schaub
That's also why our numbers are so big, because I don't sugarcoat things.
And I realize I'm going to get in trouble.
joe rogan
This is why I told you, you guys shouldn't be on anybody's network.
brendan schaub
I know, you've always said that.
But that's why I said to Fox, don't censor us.
And they're like, cool, keep doing your thing.
As soon as your numbers drop, we're going to...
joe rogan
But you shouldn't have a contract with anybody.
There's no need.
There's no need for anybody to have anything in writing that connects you and them to what you guys are doing.
What you guys are doing is you guys.
There's no need.
You're not gaining anything by being affiliated with someone.
In fact, you're losing money.
You're losing money, you're losing control, and you're losing your mind because you're having to have these conversations where they tell you not to talk about dick.
You shouldn't be connected to anybody.
It should be only you.
This is 2015. You don't need that anymore.
eddie bravo
Another Ronda commercial.
Another one.
joe rogan
Unstoppable.
eddie bravo
Dude, just beyond Bruce Lee.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
Come on.
joe rogan
Ridiculous.
eddie bravo
Bruce Lee never got this big.
brendan schaub
Oh, real quick.
eddie bravo
If he didn't die, Bruce Lee wouldn't be doing commercials.
joe rogan
She would fuck Bruce Lee up.
unidentified
Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
How about that?
bryan callen
He sure would.
brendan schaub
Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo.
Brian said he could beat up Bruce Lee.
bryan callen
I believe I could beat him in a fight.
brendan schaub
He's dead serious.
bryan callen
And I'm being serious.
joe rogan
Well, he weighed 135 pounds and you're at least 140. Hey man, I'm 170, bro!
bryan callen
A little respect, number one.
joe rogan
There's also the possibility that you were some sort of a Taekwondo fighter.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
That's why I'm wearing a shirt, bro.
So, I don't know.
I don't like the way you just implied that maybe I wasn't by the way you said it because you took a sip of wine in a very...
joe rogan
I'm so glad there's at least one video of me knocking somebody out online.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
Just one.
Thank you.
I'm like, something.
Somebody thought something.
brendan schaub
Something.
joe rogan
Because otherwise I sound like you.
bryan callen
There weren't a lot.
unidentified
Oh!
Hey!
Oh!
brendan schaub
Brian always goes, no, my mom has them.
She'll send me.
joe rogan
I'm like, cool.
unidentified
Tell her to say that.
eddie bravo
Joe used to say that because I used to ask him.
I go, do you have any tapes?
joe rogan
I have nothing.
eddie bravo
For the longest time, I was like, shit.
But I experienced his turning sidekick, like, first-hand.
We'd be in his garage, and he'd be murdering the bag, and I didn't know if that was normal.
I'm like, is that normal?
Is that the normal?
bryan callen
So I didn't know.
So I went to...
eddie bravo
So this is what happened.
I would go back to jiu-jitsu school, and there was one bag.
It was a jiu-jitsu...
John Jacques Machado Academy.
There's one kicking bag that's heavy on the bottom.
It's not even hanging from the ceiling.
And in jiu-jitsu, there's always karate black belts, taekwondo black belts.
In jiu-jitsu, it's very, very common that these black belts from the striking disciplines, the traditional martial arts, are taking jiu-jitsu.
So I didn't know if he was like...
If it was normal.
So I would have a guy kick the bag, a black belt, and I'd say, throw a turning sidekick.
brendan schaub
Let me see what it feels like, or it looks like.
eddie bravo
And then he'd throw it, then Joe would come and fucking throw it, and everybody would just stand back and say, what the fuck just happened?
bryan callen
At 48 years old, he's kicking.
eddie bravo
No one else kicked the bag.
No one else kicked the bag.
bryan callen
At 48 years old.
eddie bravo
Just me, trying to fucking work on it.
Just me.
I go, okay, so it's real.
And then I would get into that.
There was one time he went to go get his car.
joe rogan
We talked about this on one of the other Fight Company podcasts.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we did.
eddie bravo
Oh, okay, okay.
bryan callen
But we didn't talk about this.
We were sitting with Mark Delagrate.
joe rogan
You're great, dude.
brendan schaub
That card's amazing, by the way.
I'm sorry to interrupt you guys.
That card's amazing.
joe rogan
Anthony Johnson, Jimmy Manoa.
unidentified
Ooh!
brendan schaub
Someone's going to sleep, son.
Paige!
eddie bravo
There's your girl.
brendan schaub
Versus Alex Chambers.
bryan callen
We were sitting with Mark De La Grotte, me and Joe and Mark De La Grotte, and De La Grotte was saying that he...
You may laugh, but I spent a long time kicking, and I spent a long time around really good guys who could kick really hard.
I've never seen anybody kick the way he does.
That's what I'm saying.
And he's 48 years old.
And Mark De La Grotte said, I can't hold pads because my forearms, I couldn't sign.
He was trying to sign checks.
He goes, my hands were shaking too much after holding fucking pads for you as you were kicking them.
I, when I saw that Instagram, personally, I've spent a long time around good kickers and trying to kick really well myself.
I've never seen anybody kick like that.
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
These dudes who kick harder than me.
You should watch videos of Melvin Manhoff kicking them.
bryan callen
Yeah, he kicks, but you're not that far behind, bro.
You're really not.
You're not that far behind.
eddie bravo
All I know is anybody that holds pads for him, and I've been around, everyone says the same thing.
Holy goddamn shitty hits hard.
bryan callen
He's got weird power.
eddie bravo
It's every strike.
It isn't just the turning sidekick.
It's every goddamn strike.
joe rogan
It's just leg stuff.
I just grew up doing it, man.
Taekwondo gives you this weird dexterity.
Your hips are open, too.
bryan callen
I did it for a long time.
I don't have that.
joe rogan
Well, I have a loose, like a snap to my hips.
I don't tighten them up.
It's all loosened to the end.
And then in the end, you're digging in.
brendan schaub
We got the pickles out, Doug?
We got the pickles out, Doug?
I fucking love me some pickles, man.
There was one podcast where we just went balls deep in these pickles.
joe rogan
That's those Grillo's pickles, though.
These are like regular fucking store-bought pickles.
bryan callen
Those things are really good, though.
joe rogan
They're okay, but Grillo's are the shit.
unidentified
They're okay.
joe rogan
Grillos are the shit.
I think if more guys did yoga, I think yoga would help your kicking a lot.
brendan schaub
I love me some yoga, man.
joe rogan
Yoga is the shit, dude.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
And I think stretching and flexibility.
Eddie Bravo's guard is one of the most preposterous guards you can get caught in.
His leg dexterity is ridiculous.
It's so unusual.
And a lot of that is because of his flexibility.
His flexibility is crazy.
It's not that crazy.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
You're way more flexible in certain ways than me, and I'm very flexible.
eddie bravo
It's an illusion.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
brendan schaub
I'd love to roll with you sometime, Eddie.
joe rogan
But listen, but I see people trying to emulate what he does, but they don't have the flexibility.
They don't have the dexterity.
They don't have flexibility.
And it makes such a giant difference.
It's those numbers that you get in.
It's just those numbers and the idea of what you're trying to do.
And then there's all the physical shit.
Some people are just born with different bones.
Some people are born like Hodger Gracie.
These long-ass fucking arms.
They can just cinch Darces in from anywhere.
Long triangles that can get both your fucking arms trapped in, like in a dead orchard.
You can do things with your body if you have these long bodies that you can't do.
But then there's these Paul Harris bodies.
Like, you've got this goddamn gorilla.
I stand next to that guy, I feel like I'm you.
That's what it's like.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I stand next to him?
That was dark.
Brian is a slender guy.
bryan callen
I have a beautiful expressive body.
joe rogan
I always feel like a claw.
I always feel like an extra wide claw.
eddie bravo
I see a big ass fucking arm over there.
unidentified
That's what I see.
bryan callen
Are you looking at that arm?
eddie bravo
No, seriously.
brendan schaub
I'm Brian?
eddie bravo
You do lift, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, I lifted.
brendan schaub
Here's the body of Kermit the Frog.
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
Hey, bro.
unidentified
What, man?
bryan callen
Bro, what are you talking about?
unidentified
Kermit has skinny legs and I have trouble with jeans, bro.
brendan schaub
You're feeling like Kermit the Frog.
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
unidentified
Sir.
eddie bravo
Look at that arm.
Sir.
Hey, flex for it.
bryan callen
Sir.
eddie bravo
Show him the choice.
bryan callen
Guys, I'm relaxed.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
bryan callen
I'm relaxed as shit right now.
I'm relaxed as shit.
joe rogan
Dude, did you just say Kermit the Frog?
bryan callen
My legs are way bigger than that.
joe rogan
God, that's so funny.
bryan callen
I got big, I got...
joe rogan
Kermit the Frog is so funny!
eddie bravo
Imagine Kermit the Frog!
unidentified
His arms are one size all the way down!
Kermit the Frog!
brendan schaub
Kermit's is the farthest I go.
unidentified
I'm picturing Kermit's arms with no movement at all.
Nothing.
brendan schaub
Just like pipes.
joe rogan
Just straight pipe cleaners.
Oh, it's so silly.
bryan callen
Eddie, man, you and I. That's why it's so funny.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Kermit the Frog is like the perfect reference.
That is like, seriously, if you're going to make fun of a dude's arms, Kermit the Frog's arms, Kermit the Frog's arms, Kermit the Frog.
That's the funniest shit of all time.
Kermit.
bryan callen
I'm pissed now.
eddie bravo
I think you have Uriah Faber arms.
bryan callen
Thank you, brother.
joe rogan
Thank you, man.
Eddie, the fucking Instagram post that you and I both posted, you posted a caption with it.
There's a dude who's sucking this guy's tongue.
I sent that to my brother.
Eddie Bravo had the best caption on his.
Eddie Bravo says, when you partying and Rodman has the last rock...
unidentified
Is the dude sucking on Rodman's toe?
For cocaine?
joe rogan
The reason why it came up to me was because the guy has Kermit Defar's body.
We were talking about how this guy's like so meek.
He's probably like only like three feet tall and he's just like used to being humiliated.
So he likes big women.
He's like suck their toes.
bryan callen
He's a gimp.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
Those aren't women's toes.
That's a dude's foot.
unidentified
That's a dude's foot.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
unidentified
Dude, that foot is like this, and this dude is just deep-throating these toes.
brendan schaub
Have you not seen it?
I sent it to you.
bryan callen
I found a disturbing...
brendan schaub
I snap-shot Joe's and sent it to everyone.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's probably how Dennis Rodman's feet actually look.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo on Instagram is not you.
Who's Eddie Bravo on Instagram?
brendan schaub
He's at the real Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
It's a girl.
bryan callen
I gotta follow you.
joe rogan
Someone named Lindsey Sturge?
Who the hell's that?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
On Instagram?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
There's someone named Lindsey on Sturge.
brendan schaub
That had me crying, man.
joe rogan
Who's must be an Eddie Bravo fan.
eddie bravo
She took my shit.
joe rogan
That's weird.
eddie bravo
So I had to do that douchey thing by saying the real Eddie Bravo.
As I feel really douchey.
brendan schaub
Nah, don't.
Someone took your shit.
eddie bravo
Originally, I just thought that's what you're supposed to do.
Look at this.
bryan callen
This is just incredible.
It's a real fucking foot.
joe rogan
But the caption, dude.
unidentified
Bro, look at that second toe!
joe rogan
Somebody told me once that if a girl has a second toe that's bigger than the big toe, that she's undoubtedly a freak.
No matter what she tells you, she can tell you, she goes to church, the girl's a freak.
Really?
bryan callen
That's not a girl, though.
That's not a girl's foot.
joe rogan
That's not a girl's foot.
You're right.
It might be a girl's foot.
bryan callen
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I think it's anatomically impossible.
No, the girl played Gabriella Reese.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's some big girls, man.
joe rogan
Okay, here we go.
brendan schaub
Rebecca Lobos.
joe rogan
Derek Brunson, Sam Alvey.
This is a good goddamn fight right here.
brendan schaub
Story about Sam Alvey.
On the Ultimate Fighter season 14, I was a guest coach on there, and he drove me fucking nuts.
I didn't think he was going to make shit because he quit nonstop all the time.
joe rogan
In practice?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
How did he quit?
Like when he's sparring?
brendan schaub
Things would be going rough, and he'd just stop, and then be like, oh, I'm hurt, and would sit out all the time.
bryan callen
He looks nervous, man.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
He is a tough fight.
joe rogan
Brunson has really good kicks, man.
He caught Yoel Romero with a switch kick to the head.
That's when I realized what a freak Yoel Romero is.
Because Yoel Romero took it right on the neck and just stunned him for a second and then just went right back to his normal natural movements.
brendan schaub
Does Yoel have a fight coming up?
Did he sign anything?
joe rogan
I do not know.
That's a good question.
bryan callen
I think he's Wyman's biggest threat in many ways.
joe rogan
Yoel?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
No, I think Rockhold is.
I think it's the greatest fight in middleweight history.
bryan callen
You're out of your mind.
joe rogan
Well, he's not out of his mind, for sure.
It's a good fight.
What's better?
No, no, Brian, no, you're wrong.
brendan schaub
They're both in their prime.
They're both fucking monsters.
In their prime.
joe rogan
You gotta tell me how you watch him go through Lyoto Machida like fucking hot butter, and you don't want to see Rockhold fight against Wyvern.
bryan callen
I actually thought Lyoto Machida won that last round, or at least was on his way to.
joe rogan
You got the wrong fight.
You got the wrong fight.
brendan schaub
What the fuck are you talking about?
bryan callen
Rockhold destroyed Lyoto Machida in two rounds.
I was talking about Machida and Wyvern.
I'm sorry.
brendan schaub
Either way, he lost.
Either way, he lost.
joe rogan
Well, Machida and Weidman had some great exchanges, and there was one exchange, particularly when Machida poured it on, but Weidman is really fucking durable.
His legs never went.
He got tagged with some shots, but it was never like, oh my god, he's going!
He's going out!
It wasn't like that.
bryan callen
He's a beast.
What I'm trying to say is, I... I think that Yoel Romero is a bigger threat to Wyman.
brendan schaub
I disagree.
His cardio is going to be an issue.
joe rogan
Well, his cardio is definitely going to be an issue, but I don't think he's a bigger threat.
I think he's a huge threat.
I think they're both huge threats.
brendan schaub
He's a different threat.
joe rogan
Whoa, look at Derrick Brunson going off!
brendan schaub
He's a different threat.
joe rogan
This guy's tough, man.
He's just swinging for the fences.
All these are 100% on him.
brendan schaub
I'll be better to close his mouth, though.
joe rogan
But see, this is one where you should relax.
Relax.
But he can move better than this if he was relaxed.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
If he was relaxed here and not just fucking teeing off with 100%, he's wasting energy.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
If he was more efficient, he'd be landing more shots.
eddie bravo
He's ferocious.
This is what I want to see though.
I want to see guys like this.
joe rogan
Yeah, but for him as a fighter, he could do better.
He stopped it.
Stopped it.
brendan schaub
That was smart.
That was good.
That's a good stoppage.
eddie bravo
I love that shit.
joe rogan
I'm a huge fan.
For him as a fighter though, I am too.
But if he just took it down a notch with the wildness and was more accurate.
brendan schaub
More control.
joe rogan
Compose, mark control.
brendan schaub
That's experience.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is experience.
You've all been in that situation, especially if you're angry at somebody and you find yourself chasing them.
brendan schaub
Emotion.
You're being emotional and you're rushing for the fight.
eddie bravo
We have enough smart guys like that.
Every now and then, can I get a guy that's going to go out there?
brendan schaub
More than not, you're getting that, though, Eddie.
More than not, you're getting that until you get to the higher levels.
unidentified
I want to see this.
joe rogan
I want to see him develop to the highest skill level possible.
I think Derek Brunson's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
That's hurting the guy, being controlled, and then timing it for the exact time.
unidentified
We can't have one motherfucker that goes out there and throws bombs on top.
joe rogan
We can, but we're not looking for unique individuals that don't reach their potential.
We're looking for everybody to be as good as they can be.
brendan schaub
Fight like this, you're going to be 50-50.
joe rogan
Fight like this, you're going to go 5-10 in the UFC. Here's a perfect example.
Ioannia Jacek, when she had Jessica Panay hurt in the same type of situation, she didn't do this, okay?
Everything she did looked crisp and controlled.
unidentified
Calculated.
joe rogan
It was way more devastating.
eddie bravo
I love fighters like that.
joe rogan
It was more devastating.
eddie bravo
But they can't all be like that.
Can we have crazy motherfuckers like this every now and then?
joe rogan
It's not that.
brendan schaub
He's going to get to a higher level where this doesn't work.
joe rogan
He just needs to get better.
That's all it is.
He's really good.
brendan schaub
Take that.
eddie bravo
Take him away from me.
joe rogan
But it's not even a matter of the fact that he can't perform the punches or kicks correctly, because obviously he can.
It's just a matter of composure while executing.
Like, I guarantee if you got Derek Brunson and you were like, if Anthony Hardonk was working pads with him and you got to see him throw some combinations, he would look smooth as butter.
brendan schaub
Instead of wild like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
He's just fighting emotionally there.
I've been there, man.
joe rogan
And he broke the dude.
He did it.
I mean, he really did do it.
He broke him, and he beat him down.
brendan schaub
But you're going to get to a certain level, and it happened with me.
When I fought Ben Rothwell, I threw a spinning back elbow, rocked him, and I rushed in just like he was doing.
And Rothwell went, oh, cool story.
He's hurt?
He threw a left hook.
Fight's over.
But if I would have been more controlled, smart, Calculated.
bryan callen
Kind of like Orlovsky did actually with Travis Brown.
joe rogan
Yeah, he took that fight smart.
bryan callen
Yeah, he kind of kept waiting.
brendan schaub
He got caught.
joe rogan
He got caught bad.
Got caught hard.
He got hurt.
brendan schaub
Orlovsky's also, you know, he's a former world champ.
He has a lot of experience.
A lot of guys, when you get rocked like that, especially, you know, you want to get in and get, you're like, oh, he's hurt.
I'm going to jump on him.
That's one of the guys most dangerous.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Carl's Jr. is selling a beef burger with no steroids.
That's what it said.
It said no steroids.
brendan schaub
You know Carl's Jr. signed Ronda Rousey.
joe rogan
Damn.
Who didn't?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Right?
joe rogan
Ronda Rousey is going to be so goddamn rich when she retires.
It's going to be preposterous.
brendan schaub
She's already pretty rich.
joe rogan
She's already pretty rich.
But the amount of rich she's going to be, she's going to be like Oprah rich.
brendan schaub
She's not a materialistic person at all.
unidentified
What if you guys got back together again?
joe rogan
Might be a good move for you right now.
eddie bravo
You might start texting.
brendan schaub
Believe me, believe me.
unidentified
I did her a favor, man.
brendan schaub
I'm not the guy for the job.
I'm just not, man.
joe rogan
Not man enough.
I'm too much woman there.
brendan schaub
I'm too much.
I'm too much.
joe rogan
You're too man?
brendan schaub
Yeah, she needs a guy who's going to take a back seat.
That's not me.
Really?
She also needs a guy who's going to say, yes, ma'am.
Yes, ma'am.
Really?
Well, she's surrounded by, you know, she's so successful, she's surrounded by people that warsper and go, yes, yes, that's a great idea.
And when I went, I don't think that's a good idea.
Now I'm a hater.
No, no, no.
I have no financial gain from you.
I don't need anything from you.
I've earned everything myself.
joe rogan
I don't think we should have this conversation out of respect for her.
brendan schaub
My bad.
joe rogan
She can't defend herself.
brendan schaub
You got me on it, Eddie.
eddie bravo
I apologize.
joe rogan
Eddie, you stirred the top.
brendan schaub
You said get back.
eddie bravo
I apologize.
joe rogan
All respect to Rhonda.
I really do respect her a lot.
Me too, man.
You know what?
eddie bravo
We've been talking nothing but good shit about her this whole time.
All of us.
joe rogan
I think that...
eddie bravo
I fucked up.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
We've talked about this before.
unidentified
I'm a fucking idiot.
joe rogan
I think that...
You kind of have to be out of your mind to be as good as she is.
You have to be.
And I think that she'll probably admit it as quickly as anybody.
And I think that in that position that she's in, when you are that powerful and that strong and such a shining star...
Man, finding a guy to match that with you, finding a guy that you mesh with perfectly, has got to be crazy difficult.
brendan schaub
Well, that's the struggle.
That's the balance, right?
People who are that great, it's going to be tough in your personal life, man.
What do I always say to you, Joe?
I wish I was more batshit crazy.
I'd be a way better fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've said that.
brendan schaub
If I wasn't so fucking god...
joe rogan
And nice.
brendan schaub
If I wasn't so nice and friendly and creative, I'd be a way better fighter, man.
joe rogan
And the opposite, like Bobby Lee.
You know?
It's very hard for him to find a woman that can control him and dominate him correctly.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
Bobby Lee.
Because Bobby Lee is the opposite.
Bobby Lee is this really small, feeble guy who's afraid of everything.
So he's got to find the right woman for that situation.
brendan schaub
Him and Ronda might be a match.
joe rogan
For most women, it doesn't jam up.
You know what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
Yeah, most women want to be taking care of, like, throw me against the wall.
Bobby Lee's like, throw me against the wall, motherfucker.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
But he's funny.
brendan schaub
Funny helps out, man.
It's a weird dynamic, man.
joe rogan
People gotta find the right person for the job.
brendan schaub
They really do.
joe rogan
That's really what's up.
And the funny shit is, Jay Leno and I were having this conversation about it.
Name drop.
Watch it.
We were talking about this guy that showed up at his studio once and just started asking questions about some actress and said, do you think I could meet her?
Because if I met her, I'm pretty sure that she would know that I'm the one.
And he's like, Jesus Christ.
Like, could you imagine being a famous woman and have a bunch of dummies out there that think that if they got to you, that they could be the one, and then they just go, I just gotta meet her.
brendan schaub
Bro, think about Ronda.
She has all these keyboard warriors jacking off to her all the time.
God, if I could just get in front of her, man, I'm the guy for the job.
joe rogan
Just smell her ass.
brendan schaub
Enjoy that.
unidentified
If I could just drink her bath water, man, I would fucking, if I could just suck her big toe.
joe rogan
Oh shit, Peniel Darius, Michael Johnson.
brendan schaub
Who wants to bet on this fight?
You want to bet on this?
joe rogan
You know what?
I like both these guys.
I would never bet against any one of them.
brendan schaub
I would never ask you to bet.
joe rogan
I'm excited about this fight, but if you pick one, I'll pick the other.
brendan schaub
I got DelaRouche.
joe rogan
Okay.
brendan schaub
And he's an underdog.
joe rogan
DelaRouche.
It's not DelaRouche.
Yeah, man.
unidentified
DelaRouche.
brendan schaub
I've had some wine!
I've had a little bit of wine!
unidentified
I've been known to fuck up names from time to time.
joe rogan
I most certainly don't want to bet against Benil DelaRouche because I'm a big fan.
brendan schaub
No, you and I aren't betting.
We're just for the fun of things.
joe rogan
In the favor of just sport and fun.
brendan schaub
Or dinner.
You want to bet dinner?
joe rogan
Okay, that's dinner.
brendan schaub
Thanks, brother.
I'm taking the underdog.
It's whatever, though.
joe rogan
Is he an underdog?
Yeah.
I think he's a very skilled fighter.
I like the way he fights, and I also like what Rafael Cordero's done, man.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I was cornering Brian, T-City, the kid who's tearing up in the UFC right now.
I was cornering him on a low-level show in LA, and Dariush was in the back warming up because he was the main event, and I was watching him hit mitts, and I was like, holy...
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Who is that guy?
And T City was like, oh, that guy's the next big thing.
So I went and talked to him.
I saw his fight, and I'm like, dude, what's your deal?
He's like, man, I'm just trying to get better, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, oh, what's your background?
And he starts telling me, like, jiu-jitsu's my passion.
He's this world-class jiu-jitsu guy.
But I saw him just wreck some dude on the feet.
I was like, you're good at jiu-jitsu?
He goes, yeah, man, it's my thing.
I was like, holy fuck.
joe rogan
He's very good at jiu-jitsu.
You see his fight with Jim Miller?
brendan schaub
Phenomenal.
He dominated Jim Miller on the ground.
joe rogan
Dominates him on the ground, man.
Dominates him.
Crazy shit, man.
brendan schaub
Crazy, man.
It's crazy.
bryan callen
Dominate Jim Miller on the ground.
You're fucking pretty good.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jim Miller's tough as fuck, man.
brendan schaub
They don't get any tougher.
And he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu.
He submitted that Brazilian world champ.
There by armbar.
Nasty.
Jim Miller's one of the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, Fabricio Camois.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's elite.
Very elite on the ground.
He also submitted Charles Oliveira.
He's elite.
He's one of those guys that I always watch fight, and I always appreciate his fights.
He's fantastic, but I'm always like, man, how many more of these does this guy have in him?
brendan schaub
Bummer, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, because that style is just so taxing.
Miller's just fucking super aggressive.
brendan schaub
Speaking of that style, we had a buddy, I won't mention names, fighting the UFC, and his style was kind of like that Leonard Garcia style.
And I talked to him on the phone and could not understand him.
unidentified
Damn it.
brendan schaub
Literally could not understand him.
And I go, what are you doing these days, man?
I'm just teaching a little kickboxing and I'm working at this school.
joe rogan
Dude, did you know Shane Mosley's fighting soon?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Shane Mosley is fighting Ricardo Mayorga.
brendan schaub
That's such a bummer.
That's such a bummer.
Have you ever met Mosley?
joe rogan
No, but I've seen him talk.
brendan schaub
Punch drunk, son.
joe rogan
Not just punch drunk, but how about the fact that his body seems to have deteriorated.
Like he shrank.
Like his muscle definition was gone.
brendan schaub
That bums me out, man.
joe rogan
He was on one of those shows.
Is that white wine?
Get that fucking shit away from me.
brendan schaub
What's up with that white shit?
Where's the red, bro?
joe rogan
I'm a man, bro.
unidentified
I'm a drink white wine.
brendan schaub
I mean, if it's all we have.
Hey, what's up with that red right there?
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
brendan schaub
Don't put that angel piss in here.
joe rogan
Angel Piss!
Angel Piss!
unidentified
He calls it Angel Piss!
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Some of that red, dawg.
bryan callen
Alright, man.
Hold on, man.
brendan schaub
I'm a fan of this kid, man.
joe rogan
Smart fucking dude, too, man.
Benil Darius is a smart dude.
brendan schaub
Very, very calculated fighter.
joe rogan
Wicked on the ground, man.
Look at his ground game.
Nasty fucking submissions.
Michael Johnson on the road.
Michael Johnson's been sparring on a regular basis with Nicky Holtzkin.
Nicky Holtzkin's been training with the Black Zillions.
There's some great videos of them going to war.
They've been sparring exclusively down there.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Nicky Holtzkin's also been working out with his Dutch kickboxing coach, the kickboxing coach for Holtzkin.
They're showing him combinations that they use.
brendan schaub
That's trouble, because he's good enough athlete to pick it up like this.
joe rogan
He's picking it up.
His sparring sessions have been fucking legendary down there with Holsken.
brendan schaub
Hopefully not too tough.
joe rogan
There's some videos of it.
Well, no.
There's some videos of him getting...
There's one of them.
He can get rocked.
Holsken caught him with a left hook.
brendan schaub
Someone made that.
unidentified
That was fuckers.
That was fuckers.
joe rogan
Who is that?
unidentified
That's good.
eddie bravo
Already.
unidentified
That's nice.
That might be a good t-shirt.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
The fighter and the kid, you with the girl with the frog fucking flippers.
brendan schaub
Me as Miss Piggy?
eddie bravo
I always thought that Dutch kickboxing, like the Anthony Hardong style, I always thought that was the Dutch's version of Muay Thai.
But hanging out with Anthony, he's giving me the history.
And it really has nothing to do with Muay Thai.
joe rogan
It's more karate-based.
eddie bravo
It's karate-based.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's karate-based, but they did incorporate some of the Thai techniques, and they definitely did incorporate.
But they use, it's more like a Shotokan, or not Shotokan, like Gojo-Ru.
Like one of those hard styles.
eddie bravo
You said the main difference is the footwork.
In Muay Thai, you kind of just plod forward, and there's no footwork.
And what they do is like Machida.
There's a lot of footwork.
In and out and you just don't stand there and take shots.
joe rogan
Yeah, they also had this fucking hard style, man.
It's a hard style.
There's the Holland style of kickboxing.
They had some innovations of their own, too.
Like, you know, that combination that everybody calls the dutchy, that left hook to the body and the right leg kick behind it.
That's something that's like really classic to Muay Thai, but the Dutch really took it to another level.
They throw, like, boxing-style combinations that the Thai guys didn't.
And then when Ramon Deckers went over there and fought the Thais...
brendan schaub
Ooh, he's a beast.
Oh, my God, he's fun to watch.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
And he fought the Thais at their weight.
It wasn't, like, Kamen or a lot of these other guys who were, like, bigger.
Guys from Holland are huge.
You know, the average height of a guy in Holland is six feet tall.
And a woman is 5'10".
brendan schaub
Is that where overings are?
eddie bravo
You know what Anthony also said?
You know what Anthony said?
He said that a low-level boxer can beat a low-level Dutch kickboxer, but an elite Dutch kickboxer will always beat an elite boxer.
unidentified
That's interesting.
eddie bravo
Because they will never withstand the leg kicks.
brendan schaub
Says the Dutch kickboxer.
joe rogan
Exactly.
No, but he's right.
unidentified
No, he's right.
eddie bravo
They can never...
brendan schaub
They don't even know how to counter it.
joe rogan
But especially with boxing gloves on.
Especially with boxing gloves on.
brendan schaub
No, I agree.
joe rogan
The whole game gets way trickier when you have little gloves.
That's why you see Joe Schilling got knocked down in glory.
brendan schaub
The stance is different.
Everything's different, man.
joe rogan
Those gloves sneak through.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
And you're worried about takedowns.
eddie bravo
He was talking about the difference between boxing and the Dutch style kickboxing.
He really was talking about boxing like it was...
I mean, primitive.
Like, there's so many things that you do wrong in boxing that when the legs are involved, you get smashed.
unidentified
It's a different game.
joe rogan
I think I said Joe Schilling got knocked out in glory.
I meant in Bellator.
But a great kickboxer fighting a guy who's a karate guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a fucking tough karate guy, though.
brendan schaub
Very tough.
Dude, I can't get enough of boxing right now.
I watch every fucking boxing match.
joe rogan
Dude, did you see Kovalev's last fight?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
God damn, he's good.
brendan schaub
Lord, he's good.
joe rogan
God damn, he's good.
bryan callen
He's a beast, man.
He hits so hard.
joe rogan
He's a monster, dude.
bryan callen
Kovalev hits so fucking hard.
eddie bravo
How do you have the time, Brandon?
joe rogan
He's such an athlete.
eddie bravo
You're single.
brendan schaub
No, I have a girlfriend.
They're usually on Saturday nights, though.
joe rogan
I watch all fights.
unidentified
I watch all those bitches.
eddie bravo
I watch them when I DVR. I don't even have time for the fucking UFC, and you're such a UFC expert.
You know every goddamn fight.
brendan schaub
I record them, man.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
You must watch fights twice.
Every fight.
brendan schaub
It just depends.
eddie bravo
Most fights you watch.
Important ones you watch twice.
brendan schaub
Important ones, yeah.
joe rogan
So Kovalev is such a smooth boxer.
bryan callen
I want to see him fight Andre Warden.
brendan schaub
It's a phenomenal fight.
Andre Ward needs to do something.
joe rogan
I mean, I know.
Because he's recovering from shoulder surgery.
brendan schaub
He is, but he just fought.
Yeah, he fought for the first time.
joe rogan
They brought him up super slowly.
Look at you guys.
eddie bravo
Boxing experts.
I don't know shit.
brendan schaub
I feel like a chick right now.
But Andre Ward, pound for pound, I think he's the best fighter right now.
unidentified
He's very smart.
brendan schaub
He's so good, man.
bryan callen
How would he do with Kovalev?
That'd be a really interesting fight.
eddie bravo
Is he white?
brendan schaub
Such a good fight.
He's black.
But he's a gold medal winner.
bryan callen
His dad was white.
His mother was black.
eddie bravo
Really?
bryan callen
Yes.
eddie bravo
He's a half.
bryan callen
Andre Ward, yeah.
brendan schaub
He's so good, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And now boxing's on ESPN, NBC. It's so dope, man.
eddie bravo
Really?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
Wow.
bryan callen
I'd really like to see that fight.
That'd be a ridiculous fight.
joe rogan
There's a lot of really good fights in boxing right now.
You know, the middleweight division is heating up.
You've got Canelo Alvarez, Gennady Golovkin, and Alvarez is going to fight...
Cotto.
Miguel Cotto.
brendan schaub
You've got Thurman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You got Garcia?
A lot of good fights.
eddie bravo
I feel like a girl right now.
brendan schaub
Boxing's weird.
A lot of listeners are like, what the fuck?
bryan callen
I love boxing.
joe rogan
It's fun.
It's fun to watch.
eddie bravo
Yeah, shit.
joe rogan
But kickboxing is more fun to me.
I'm a big fan of Lion Fight, man.
I love watching Lion Fight.
brendan schaub
I love Lion Fight.
joe rogan
Where do you see that, Ty?
On AXS TV? AXS TV. Real Muay Thai, man.
brendan schaub
Tiff Timebomb, man.
Tiff Timebomb.
Dude, she's a world champ.
If she gets into MMA, it's going to be trouble, man, with her stand-up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Her stand-up's nasty.
brendan schaub
She's already kind of talked a little shit to Ioana.
joe rogan
Yeah, she has.
brendan schaub
I'm a fan of Tiff Timebomb, too.
joe rogan
She said Ioana was basic.
She thought her stand-up was basic.
eddie bravo
Tip Timebomb.
unidentified
Is that what she said?
brendan schaub
That's her name.
She's a cutie too, man.
She's good looking too.
I saw her mitts in Black House and I was like, good lord.
joe rogan
She's legit.
eddie bravo
It's one of the best mitts ever.
joe rogan
You know what I'm looking forward to, man?
I'm looking forward to some of these jiu-jitsu girls getting into MMA. Like jiu-jitsu world champions.
eddie bravo
Kira?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kira fighting.
You know how hot she is.
She would be fighting 115. She's a looker.
If she got in there, oh my god.
brendan schaub
Sign me up.
joe rogan
She's like 5'7", 115 I think she weighs.
bryan callen
Kira?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kira Gracie.
brendan schaub
Kira Gracie.
joe rogan
Dude.
brendan schaub
She had a baby, too.
joe rogan
She's a 10. Really?
She's a 10. God damn it.
She's a 10 and a legit strangler.
brendan schaub
She will armbar your dick, Brian.
unidentified
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
She's a strangler.
brendan schaub
100% she will armbar your fucking face.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, she's no Bruce Lee, but she'll give you a fight.
bryan callen
I love her.
brendan schaub
She's no Bruce Lee, man.
You could have your hands full.
joe rogan
Michael Johnson getting vasolined up.
brendan schaub
This is going to be a good fight, man.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it is.
This is a great fight.
brendan schaub
Eddie, do we have a bet on the main event?
OSB Glover.
eddie bravo
I got OSB. Do you really?
brendan schaub
Damn, I have OSB, too.
But I'll take Glover.
unidentified
There's no way.
brendan schaub
I'll take Glover just for the bet.
eddie bravo
How much?
brendan schaub
What do you want?
joe rogan
Here we go!
You guys don't think that Glover's a tough fight for him?
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, it's a tough fight.
joe rogan
But if the Glover, before he fought Jon Jones, do you think Glover has had too many tough fights?
eddie bravo
Hey, Glover's tough.
joe rogan
Like the Phil Davis fight.
eddie bravo
OSP's my boy.
brendan schaub
And he just hasn't been training right.
He's doing something wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, Eddie can't really bet on this because OSP is his boy.
So this is one of those situations.
brendan schaub
Well, OSP's the favorite.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Eddie can't, you know.
bryan callen
She's so hot.
joe rogan
He's biased here.
bryan callen
She's so hot.
joe rogan
He's going to bet on OSP no matter what.
But even if he wasn't.
eddie bravo
But I'll take Glover.
I'll take Glover.
He's very good at the twister, and he's a...
brendan schaub
Well, he's not gonna twister Glover.
He's not gonna twister Glover.
That ain't happening.
eddie bravo
Famous last words.
Dude, trust me.
brendan schaub
Glover is grappling better than OSP, my man.
eddie bravo
OSP is a phenomenal athlete, man.
unidentified
He's...
brendan schaub
That's great.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, here we go.
eddie bravo
And his jiu-jitsu is very dangerous.
brendan schaub
Let's bet on it, then.
joe rogan
How much do you want to bet?
brendan schaub
500?
eddie bravo
500. Deal.
joe rogan
Dude, I love it.
unidentified
I'm liking it.
bryan callen
Did you pay him the last bet?
eddie bravo
I don't have heat.
joe rogan
No, they covered it even, remember?
unidentified
I honey-dicked him into the Frankie Edgar, you're my favorite fight.
joe rogan
That's the best way.
Just keep doing it back and forth and just keep a tab on.
We're going to pay each other money.
eddie bravo
Yeah, just keep it going.
joe rogan
Come on, we'll keep a tab going.
eddie bravo
What if it gets dark and we have to have a meeting and shit?
joe rogan
Hey man, you owe me $50 million.
brendan schaub
Or if it's like, bro, you have to pay me, man.
joe rogan
It's $13,000.
eddie bravo
It's $13,000, but just give me five right now and we'll shut the fuck up.
bryan callen
I can't let you just walk away.
joe rogan
I gotta get something.
eddie bravo
I gotta get something.
joe rogan
Instead of me giving you five, I'll bet you five on the next.
brendan schaub
If I win, we call it even.
eddie bravo
There you go.
But then you lose, and fuck, you lose a thumb.
You lose a thumb.
I buried it in the back room back there.
bryan callen
I'll bet you a thumb.
joe rogan
Michael Johnson, here we go.
bryan callen
Now let me ask you this.
Where's Darius from originally?
Do we know?
joe rogan
I used to know.
I can't remember right now.
bryan callen
It's somewhere in like Azerbaijan or something.
eddie bravo
Herb looks sexy.
bryan callen
It's from the steps somewhere.
unidentified
This is the best fight on the card, I think.
brendan schaub
You better get Reeboked on, girl.
I mean, I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
joe rogan
Which one?
brendan schaub
That ring card girl.
I don't know her name.
joe rogan
Chrissy or Vanessa?
bryan callen
This guy reminds me of a...
joe rogan
Yeah, they're both very nice ladies.
bryan callen
...Gegard Mousasi kind of thing.
He's kind of...
eddie bravo
Oh, that's racist.
bryan callen
Relax there.
joe rogan
So what happened with Dariush and I need to watch that fight with...
brendan schaub
It was his last loss, right?
joe rogan
Him and Ramsey.
brendan schaub
Yeah, me too.
I had no idea.
joe rogan
But that just shows to anybody can get caught.
Anybody can get caught.
At any given time, you zig when you should have zagged.
brendan schaub
He has confidence now, though.
He's ripped off a couple big wins.
So is Michael Johnson's confidence.
Fuck, dude, man.
joe rogan
He does a good job of keeping his chin tucked.
You know, he doesn't keep his hands up high, but he keeps his chin tucked pretty good.
He's from Iran.
He's from Iran.
Thank you, Jamie.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
Powerful young Jamie.
But see how he's keeping his chin tucked here?
bryan callen
I bet you he's a Syrian from Iran.
Why do I know that?
eddie bravo
Did you know that it's a sin?
bryan callen
Because he's a Christian.
And so if he's a Christian in Iran, he's probably an Assyrian.
joe rogan
Powerful knowledge of the world.
brendan schaub
Oh, Brian will drop some world shit on you, man.
bryan callen
There you go, brother.
How about when I guessed all their nationalities?
brendan schaub
That was amazing.
We went to a coffee shop, no one spoke English.
Brian just started saying, you're from Afghanistan, you're from Belarus, you're from Croatia, and I was like, this fool's on drugs.
And all the girls started clapping.
bryan callen
And I go, and you're from Turkey.
eddie bravo
Did you see that HBO special on Iran?
brendan schaub
What the fuck's wrong with you?
unidentified
Come on, brother, you know I got the guns, I got the Kermit guns, and I got the knowledge.
bryan callen
I'm fucking getting pumped right now.
You know I got them Kermit!
That weed last night.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm still high.
You want some more?
bryan callen
Nope!
joe rogan
Okay, right here.
bryan callen
I'm good.
I went to a different planet.
unidentified
That was very interesting.
bryan callen
I'm not a seasoned weeder.
eddie bravo
You see that HBO special about Iran where you can die if you're gay, but if you have a sex change, they'll let you live?
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
No, I didn't see that one.
eddie bravo
So all these gay dudes are having sex change.
bryan callen
Because you're supposed to take advantage of science.
Science has never been something that Islam had a problem with.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what did you say?
They're trying to kill you if you're gay.
That's not very scientific.
brendan schaub
That's insane!
There's no science behind that.
eddie bravo
There's a bunch of transvestites that just wish they were dudes.
They didn't want to be chicks.
unidentified
It's just a shitload of Caitlyn Jennings over there.
brendan schaub
But they're not pretty.
bryan callen
It was either that or die.
Or jail or something.
Believe it or not, They say that, but there are gay communities in Iran and places, and like anywhere else, they're kind of left alone.
joe rogan
Hey, look at what's going on here.
There's a commercial that's going on while the fight is going on.
brendan schaub
For a movie, that's weird.
joe rogan
They just showed a commercial in the corner.
brendan schaub
A movie preview.
joe rogan
Like full videos and shit.
eddie bravo
You know how much they had to pay for that shit?
joe rogan
Is that a new thing?
brendan schaub
I've never seen that.
eddie bravo
That's some crazy VIP treatment.
joe rogan
I am not.
brendan schaub
I'm not a fan of that.
unidentified
I'm not a fan of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not appreciating that.
brendan schaub
Especially these two frickin' world class fighters.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not just words like Monday Night Football coming up next.
eddie bravo
They should have the stock market on the bottom.
joe rogan
We should just show naked chicks.
Just show shit that's gonna distract you.
brendan schaub
Dude, what if the ring girls did like a buy Reebok?
eddie bravo
Just like on the corners.
bryan callen
I don't know the corners.
joe rogan
There's chicks dancing on a pole.
Yeah, just a girl naked throwing a monster energy drink down her pussy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
These guys are no joke.
You're wearing your pants on stand-up comedy on the side.
joe rogan
You remember that Bill Hicks bit about that?
Bill Hicks got a great joke about advertisers, if they could do what they wanted to do.
You'd just see a girl, and you'd focus on her, and you'd go down to her pussy lips.
You'd see she's spreading her fingers, spreading her pussy, and looking you in the eye, and it just says, Drink Coke.
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
Snickers or drink Coke?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's such a great bit.
It's so true.
If they could do it, that would totally work.
I mean, it would turn a lot of women off from Coke.
brendan schaub
Think if you could do whatever you want and there's no freaking repercussions how different society would be.
joe rogan
It's called what you're doing right now on the internet, son.
brendan schaub
This is true.
joe rogan
That's why Fox is panicking.
They can't control Big Brown.
bryan callen
What do we do?
Nobody can control Big Brown.
brendan schaub
They might pull some JFK shit and the UFC might just snipe me out.
joe rogan
Listen, my Porsche.
Oh!
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
Nice straight left.
Beautiful timing by Johnson.
brendan schaub
Damn, I missed it.
joe rogan
That was pretty.
Oh, man.
He's teeing him up.
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
Dude, Michael Johnson's on fire!
joe rogan
Dude, he's been sparred.
brendan schaub
Damn!
joe rogan
Nicky Holtzkin, man.
brendan schaub
Damn, he looks fast, too, son.
eddie bravo
Holy shit!
He's a fucking animal right now.
bryan callen
See, now Dario probably feels like there's something going on here.
eddie bravo
It's like he's hypnotized.
bryan callen
Oh, caught him.
Caught him with a knife.
joe rogan
He did catch him.
brendan schaub
For sure makes up the takedowns, though, huh?
Don't be so flat-footed where I come from.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he thinks he just wants to stand with him.
bryan callen
Yikes, he's countering.
joe rogan
I think he's so fucking confident in his stand-up from sparring with Holtzkin.
Look at this, man.
I think as good an athlete as he is, he's picking it up at a very high rate.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
He's got really good training down there in Florida.
brendan schaub
Great camp.
joe rogan
Henry Hooft is so fucking clever as a kickboxing coach.
bryan callen
Where is he?
joe rogan
Down in top of the black zillion guy.
brendan schaub
Boca Raton, yeah.
eddie bravo
Will he ever throw a wheel kick?
joe rogan
One day.
brendan schaub
I'm sure he will.
We might see that shit.
bryan callen
When he trains with me, he will.
eddie bravo
Edson Barboza, holy shit, right?
Edson Barboza, holy goddamn shit.
joe rogan
We haven't done a...
Oh, that's great, but you know what's the scariest thing?
His switch kick is so fast.
bryan callen
Remember how fast that was?
unidentified
It was like whack.
eddie bravo
The guy, he fought that.
bryan callen
We were cage side.
I couldn't even see it.
eddie bravo
That Felder guy was good.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Felder is really good.
eddie bravo
They're both throwing serious wheel kicks, serious karate, traditional martial arts shit.
Like with death behind it.
bryan callen
Like super kung fu theater death.
He's tough as shit.
When he did that switch kick and he caught him in the ribs, his side was lobster red.
I mean, it was like a hematoma almost.
Didn't miss a beat.
He was protecting it a little bit, but overall...
joe rogan
He took a lot of shots at the legs that cut down his movement.
You can see, especially in the third round, he was very labored in his movement because of those kicks.
It slowed him down, but he is tough as fuck.
brendan schaub
Edson Barboza, holy motherfucking shit.
eddie bravo
That guy hits hard.
bryan callen
Muscles on muscle.
joe rogan
He might be the best kicker in the UFC. Dude, he's scary.
Might be the best kicker.
eddie bravo
That's the last guy you want to fight.
joe rogan
He's the only guy that's ever stopped two guys with leg kicks.
He stopped two different guys.
bryan callen
Anthony Hardong said that...
brendan schaub
What's that?
joe rogan
Pettis is up there.
Pettis is up there, but...
bryan callen
Anthony Hardong said that Donald Cerrone has the best kicks, he thinks.
eddie bravo
That's a bad motherfucker, too.
joe rogan
Top bad motherfucker, for sure.
Yes, he is.
Donald's his game as anybody that's ever lived.
bryan callen
He's amazing.
joe rogan
Game as anybody.
He's so much fun to hang around with, too.
bryan callen
I love that guy.
I love him.
joe rogan
Dude, this is a good fight.
But Darius's got to figure out how to get this fucking fight to the ground.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's hard.
joe rogan
Because right now...
Oh, look at this.
Darius's coming after him now, though.
bryan callen
Press him.
joe rogan
Darius is not stupid.
It's just that I feel like the level of sparring that Johnson's been getting is such a high level.
eddie bravo
It's going to be hard to take that dude down, man.
I mean, you're going to take him.
It's going to be impossible.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's so quick.
His sprawl's so good.
eddie bravo
I mean, he wrestled in college, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a good wrestler, too.
When he first started fighting in the UFC in the Ultimate Fighter, showed a lot of wrestling talent.
bryan callen
Darius is bigger than him.
He looks bigger, but it doesn't seem to matter at this point.
joe rogan
Well, he's a long guy, you know, but Johnson's thick.
bryan callen
Oh, damn.
Darius is no joke.
These guys are...
joe rogan
Johnson has, like, a nice snap to his punches, too.
bryan callen
Yes, he does.
joe rogan
Like, he's, like, he's popping it at the end, you know?
bryan callen
Speed, man.
joe rogan
But, and this is the second round is when you start to see these guys slow down quite a bit, you know?
eddie bravo
It's some real good footwork, Johnson.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
eddie bravo
Looking like T.J. Dillashaw.
Except he's not switching.
joe rogan
Dude, nobody...
Oh!
But Daniel's tried for the fucking knee there.
Dude, nobody looks as good as T.J. right now.
Goddamn T.J. looked good in that Henneper out fight.
brendan schaub
Him and Dominic next, or what?
joe rogan
It depends on where Dominic is at, health-wise.
eddie bravo
That's the fight, though.
That's the money fight.
joe rogan
That's the fight.
But he obviously doesn't want to come back too soon.
I mean, he's already done that a couple of times.
Blowing himself out.
Fucked his knees up.
And it's just the whole thing.
It's just such a disaster over and over and over again.
brendan schaub
I think TJ even said he'd go up to 45 and fight Conor.
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's a phenomenal fight, dude.
eddie bravo
TJ Dillashaw, Conor McGregor.
TJ seems...
brendan schaub
Dude, that would be fucking crazy.
He said if Dominic can't go, he wants Conor.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Wow, that would be crazy.
unidentified
Dude, TJ. I feel like TJ's a lot smaller than Conor, though.
eddie bravo
He's a lot smaller.
He's a little dude.
But you know what?
His wrestling's really good.
brendan schaub
Good luck hitting him.
eddie bravo
And his jiu-jitsu.
His jiu-jitsu's very good.
I remember back in the day when he was first coming up, TJ, I'm like, that little wrestler, he understands jiu-jitsu right away.
He's young in this game, and a lot of wrestlers, it takes him years to figure out, you gotta fall in love with jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
That's such a high-stakes gamble, though, to fight a guy like Conor, because Conor can knock him out.
And Conor's not slow.
He's definitely not slow with his hands.
So when TJ fought Barrow, the first fight, he got caught off guard, and TJ cracked him.
Nobody expected TJ to be as good as he was.
And after that first round, that dude was on autopilot, and TJ just beat the brakes off of him.
Like a punching Just beat his ass.
But the second fight, you could see Burrell was not the same human being.
He's not the same human being.
He's not.
What do you think that is, Joe?
Shell-shocked.
It could have been extreme loss of confidence.
You also have to deal with post-concussion syndrome because that first fight, he took a fucking beating.
brendan schaub
Beatdown.
joe rogan
He took a beating from the first round to the fifth round.
And especially that last combination when TJ Head kicked him.
Come on, son.
That's terrifying, terrifying shit.
brendan schaub
Oh, you're right.
joe rogan
So you got that.
You got the recovery of that.
We all know someone who's had a fight like that and never really totally recovered.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
So you got that, and then you got confidence loss because he was this monster who hadn't been beaten in nine years and just was running through people, finding a way to beat everybody.
eddie bravo
How long does it take to get over, like your last fight, you retire, you got beat down, you got your title taken, you never come back.
Obviously, you're going to be sad from that the next day and then two days later and a week later.
When does it get to a point where that fight doesn't matter, the fact that you're a boxing icon or an MMA legend, you're beyond that last fight?
How long does that take?
brendan schaub
You're asking the wrong guy.
It's different for everybody.
I'm not a legend.
joe rogan
You know, some guys, look, no guy has ever gone from the Ultimate Fighter and become as good as TJ did, as quick as TJ did.
TJ is like a real freak.
And he's also a sponge, and he's a super nice guy.
Even though TJ is like ultra competitive, right?
Obviously.
He's wicked competitive.
He doesn't have a big ego.
It's weird.
He's like super confident.
brendan schaub
He just works hard.
joe rogan
He works hard.
He doesn't have any road bumps.
You know what's a bummer?
It's like personality road bumps that some fighters have to keep them from learning.
brendan schaub
You know what's a bummer, Joe?
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Is the kind of the, I almost want to say the trash truck between Alpha Male and Dwayne now.
Like Chad Mendes goes, we fucking made Dwayne Ludwig.
joe rogan
Well, it's true.
It's true.
They did.
No, listen, they did.
He needed disciples, and he found super athletes that were willing to listen, and it showed what he's capable of.
But also what made him is how good he is at it.
He's undeniably one of the best striking coaches I've ever seen.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
And his relationship with TJ and the progress TJ's made cement that.
But you also consider Rafael Cordero.
You consider Duke Rufus.
You consider Farras Zahabi.
You consider Mike Winklejohn.
There's a lot of really good striking coaches out there.
unidentified
I agree with that.
joe rogan
A lot of it is dependent upon their students.
brendan schaub
I don't think you can say they made them.
joe rogan
But Dwayne found a great stable of studs.
That's like every athlete or every trainer's dream.
bryan callen
It's a collaborative marriage.
It's a symbiotic relationship.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bryan callen
And nobody should be taking credit for anybody else's.
joe rogan
It just bummed me out.
unidentified
It's so unnecessary.
brendan schaub
I love Team Alpha Male.
Obviously, Dwayne and I are very close.
joe rogan
I'm very close.
I'm very close with both of those guys.
I'm very close with TJ. I'm very close with Danny.
I love Chad Mendes.
I love Uriah.
brendan schaub
Me, too.
I love all those boys.
joe rogan
And I love Dwayne, too.
And, you know, Onnit, this is not really talked about very much, but we had one point in time thought about buying their gym.
We thought about setting up an Onnit gym through them, and we had considered doing it, but we knew that they were having some disputes with Dwayne, and they were trying to sort it all out, but we were talking about going into some sort of an Onnit partnership with them, because we sponsor a lot of those guys.
brendan schaub
Well, now Campman even left the gym.
joe rogan
And we want to start making some more on-it gyms.
And having an on-it MMA gym was an idea that we bounced around a few times.
And I think that when you have a stable full of guys like Chad Mendes, Lance Palmer, T.J. Dillashaw, Joey Benavidez, Danny Castillo, Uriah motherfucking Faber.
I mean, Jesus goddamn Christ.
unidentified
Monsters.
joe rogan
These guys are savages.
And if you get a guy who's as nuts as Dwayne is, and Dwayne is fucking nuts, about training and about the fanatical approach that he takes to training guys, he's obsessed.
He's like a true mad scientist.
I mean, the day TJ fought Burrell, he and I had lunch, and there was like five or six other people there.
We're all laughing, joking around.
Can't wait for the fights today.
And Dwayne is sitting there.
brendan schaub
He's like, what is he going to do?
joe rogan
He's going to fake to the left and the whole deal about what you see Burrell does.
He's flat-footed.
Flat-footed guy is never going to be a guy like TJ. He goes, you're just going to set up these angles.
He went out and did exactly what Dwayne said he was going to do.
But Dwayne had this maniacal, fanatical thing.
bryan callen
It's like TJ's his tapestry.
He's like a painter.
brendan schaub
You need that, though.
I don't think those guys would be Exactly.
And Dwayne wouldn't be where he's at without them.
joe rogan
But Danny Castillo has gotten a lot better.
You see Danny Castillo in his last fight, he's throwing all these head kicks, his footwork looks amazing, and he's learning from TJ and he's learning from Dwayne too.
brendan schaub
Because he's in Denver with those boys.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
But that's the point.
It was too bad those guys couldn't work it out.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Because that is literally the dream relationship.
brendan schaub
Even Campman's out now.
Martin Campman's leaving.
joe rogan
Well, he might just be tired of training people.
brendan schaub
No, he said his family doesn't want to be in Sacramento anymore.
That's what he said in the interview.
So now they're looking for other coaches.
They asked, I think, Kenny Florian.
joe rogan
Kenny Florian considered it, apparently.
brendan schaub
He can sit, but I don't think he can do it because of all his obligations here with media and stuff like that.
But Kenny would be great.
joe rogan
He would be great.
brendan schaub
Kenny's a phenomenal coach.
joe rogan
He's smart as fuck.
Very smart.
bryan callen
These guys are actually taking shots to the head, and they don't seem to be faced at all.
I don't know what's going on.
Sometimes you watch a fight, and you watch these guys.
joe rogan
They take a lot of Tylenol, dude.
That's the deal.
eddie bravo
Martin Katzler was the head coach, the head MMA coach.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he replaced Dwayne.
He replaced Dwayne.
He's leaving now, too.
joe rogan
Ooh, nice uppercut.
bryan callen
Michael Johnson has been hit four times and he just keeps coming forward.
joe rogan
This is a great fight, I guess.
We'll have to go over and watch it.
We're not talking shit.
bryan callen
It's a good fight.
joe rogan
That's the problem with these goddamn fight companions.
We miss amazing fights because the company's too good.
bryan callen
By the way, Darius right now is winning this round.
He's tagged him five times.
He's tagged Michael Johnson five times.
brendan schaub
Might be the only round, though.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, look at this.
He keeps hitting him.
But it's really not fair.
joe rogan
It looks like Johnson has slowed down a bit, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Johnson's slowed down.
Now's your chance.
joe rogan
You know, who knows how hard a time he has making 155. A lot of these dudes have a hard time making that weight, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You see Diego Sanchez drop to 145. He's crazy!
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
brendan schaub
So crazy.
Fighting Ricardo Lamas, right?
joe rogan
He's so crazy.
unidentified
Mexico.
joe rogan
He's so crazy.
brendan schaub
Phenomenal fight.
joe rogan
Hey, now let me ask you this.
What do you think about Rockhold dropping down to 185 now with the lack of IVs when they take away your IV? That starts in October, right?
Right.
When are they fighting?
Why did I think they were fighting after that?
brendan schaub
I thought they were fighting in September.
Am I wrong?
joe rogan
You might be right.
No, I don't think you are.
unidentified
Do you know Jamie?
Oh!
Oh!
joe rogan
Beautiful left hand.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
Where is it in September?
Where is it taking place?
brendan schaub
You're right.
Because...
You're right.
Because in...
joe rogan
Jamie will find out for us.
brendan schaub
Either way.
joe rogan
But either way.
brendan schaub
Rockhold's a fucking huge...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Darius with a knee!
brendan schaub
...huge 85-er.
joe rogan
He's big, dude.
brendan schaub
And those IVs?
I mean, they gotta have them, man.
joe rogan
But do they?
Because Joe Silva was trying to tell me that there's doctors that say it's actually more effective to orally rehydrate.
You just have to do it correctly.
Come on.
bryan callen
I don't think that's true, Joe, because in hospitals, they rehydrate you with IVs, right?
joe rogan
Right, yes.
brendan schaub
But maybe they're lazy.
joe rogan
They have to regulate and ensure that you get the right amount of fluid at the right time, and maybe there's a method to rehydrating orally.
brendan schaub
Well, a lot of time when you just drink, obviously...
You'd have to talk to scientists.
But when you drink just water to rehydrate, it strips the electrolytes and it actually doesn't rehydrate you.
If you use the IV, it goes straight to the bloodstream to rejuvenate those muscles.
joe rogan
That's what I would have thought.
But I'm obviously not medically qualified to talk about it.
But one thing that Jeff Nowitzki told me is that they do it because people can use IVs to mask steroids.
brendan schaub
Who's Jeff?
joe rogan
Jeff Nowitzki is the guy that busted Lance Armstrong.
He's the guy that's the new USA drug dude.
bryan callen
Blood doping, I think, right?
brendan schaub
So Joe Silva, the guy who works for the UFC, said IVs are bad.
joe rogan
Well, no.
He didn't say IVs are bad.
brendan schaub
Not bad, but he said you should use.
joe rogan
But he didn't say that it was more effective.
The Novitski guy is very impressive.
He doesn't engage in propaganda.
He doesn't engage in hyperbole.
He's very logical and very calm, very fair.
I had a really good conversation with him, and he's doing the podcast soon.
brendan schaub
That's going to be amazing.
joe rogan
Because I need to ask him a million questions about how these guys do things and how the cyclists got away with it.
And we were talking about the Tour de France.
That was a good fight.
We were talking about the Tour de France and how this guy who is at the leader, he goes, he's got to be doing something.
He's breaking all the records that the juicers were making.
He's like, this guy is setting new record times, and somehow or another he's testing clean.
And he said, you know, who knows what they're doing.
But the thing is, they have steroids that they're developing testosterone that's not based on plants.
Okay, because testosterone now, somehow or another they grow it with yams?
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's insane.
And there's somehow or another, they can test and they can find that it's non-endogenous, that it's exogenous, I guess that's the word.
They can't do that if it's animal stuff.
So they're figuring out a way to get testosterone from animals.
They're getting animal testosterone, they're injecting it in people.
bryan callen
Because it mimics human testosterone?
joe rogan
It's bio-identical.
It's bio-identical and they can't figure out how to test it.
So if guys are doing that, then it doesn't even look like they're on testosterone.
brendan schaub
That podcast is going to be so dope.
bryan callen
Damn.
joe rogan
Dude, he's telling me crazy shit.
Telling me crazy shit about gene doping, about the next level.
You know, I talked about this with Rhonda Patrick on the podcast recently.
The next level, by the way, you guys have to have her on.
bryan callen
Yeah, we've got to have her on.
joe rogan
She'll blow your fucking mind.
unidentified
Let's get her on.
brendan schaub
I listened to her on yours.
joe rogan
This is what you do.
For the fighter and the kid, ask her to just study steroids and what steroids you could hide and what steroids would do what and why you would take certain things and what the benefits of it.
She'll look through the research on it and come on your show and blow your fucking mind.
unidentified
Drop some knowledge.
joe rogan
She's the smartest person I've ever talked to.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Ever.
Yeah, when I get her on the podcast, I just wind her up.
I just give her a subject.
The last thing was cold shock proteins.
She was talking about cryotherapy and the positive results of sauna and that sauna people had 40% less mortality across the board.
40% reduction in mortality, whether it's cancer, drugs, heart attacks.
brendan schaub
She was saying sauna's an advantage.
Sauna's a spectacular advantage for your body.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
For longevity, for health.
brendan schaub
That's what she was saying.
joe rogan
There's something about heating your body up to 170 degrees.
You put it in that 170 degree environment for as long as you can take it.
bryan callen
What if it kills like pathogens or something?
joe rogan
No.
It creates heat shock proteins.
She went into this big thing about heat shock proteins that are only created heat shock proteins and from cryotherapy very similar cold shock proteins.
Dude, you gotta listen to the podcast, because it's literally, it's not even me.
unidentified
It's dope.
joe rogan
I would lob a ball at her, and then I'd sit back for 20 minutes while she just goes off.
And you gotta take notes, you gotta write shit down.
bryan callen
Damn, she's a monster.
eddie bravo
So getting your body at a certain temperature...
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
It triggers a compensatory response.
That compensatory response is called either heat shock proteins or cold shock proteins.
And neoprenephrine, which is something that has an effect on mood.
What's the word?
Neoprenephrine?
bryan callen
Wait, what happened here?
joe rogan
The fuck is that word that she used?
But anyway, whatever it is, it regulates mood.
brendan schaub
Darius Schwann!
joe rogan
Darius Schwann.
Wow!
brendan schaub
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, Joe.
Sorry, brother.
joe rogan
No worries.
Look at Michael Johnson's furious, man.
brendan schaub
I think Johnson definitely won that fight, by the way.
joe rogan
I do not think I was paying attention.
brendan schaub
I was just enough.
You owe me dinner, though.
bryan callen
Not that you haven't paid for 100 dinners.
I felt like Darius was actually connecting more.
unidentified
Nor epinephrine.
joe rogan
Nor epinephrine.
Thank you very much, sir.
jamie vernon
That fight hasn't been booked yet, either.
joe rogan
Oh, it hasn't?
Which fight?
Which one?
unidentified
Weidman.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Rockhold?
They haven't a venue yet?
jamie vernon
I saw a rumor that it may be December 5th, but not officially yet.
joe rogan
Oh, you know what?
I bet it's the big one.
Because they're trying to do a big one December 5th.
That's what Knucklehead shouldn't have kept their mouth shut about the UFC calling her out.
unidentified
Cyborg?
brendan schaub
Oh, in Dallas?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they're saying.
They're saying, listen, can you make 135?
If you can make 135 in Dallas, December 5th, let's do this.
But she's going to have to get on the scale before they ever make a deal.
brendan schaub
She's going to have to make that wait before Ronda's doing movies and shit, so it has to work for Ronda's schedule.
joe rogan
Well, it's going to be December 5th.
If it's the big fight.
Sounds like Rocky II. This is what they're trying to do.
December 5th, they're trying to do a gigantic arena in Dallas.
That huge football arena.
brendan schaub
Cowboy Stadium.
joe rogan
And if they do Cowboy Stadium, it is going to be the motherfucker of all motherfucker cards, dude.
It's going to be like McGregor vs.
Aldo, Ronda vs.
Cyborg, and if they sign Fedor vs.
Verdum, and that's also on the card, are you kidding me?
bryan callen
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Overeem will be versus Dos Santos the next time they fight.
Most likely.
eddie bravo
You think they'll ever do a Super Bowl card like that?
joe rogan
That would be the big card.
That would be the card.
They're supposed to, yeah.
And then Joanna versus Claudia.
eddie bravo
Once a year, right?
Once a year you have a super card.
Once a goddamn year, give me a super card.
God damn it.
joe rogan
Well, they're apparently planning UFC 200 for next July.
bryan callen
It's Rafael right there, right?
joe rogan
They're already advertising.
Yeah, there's Rafael Cordero.
Great guy.
Awesome coach.
So friendly.
Beautiful dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Always like that.
joe rogan
Beautiful smile.
And just a warm, friendly guy.
Just truly loves his students.
unidentified
Damn.
Great guy.
joe rogan
So they're already showing these teaser trailers for UFC 200, which is next July.
So they're planning it.
There's a fucking stud.
Matt Hughes and Robbie Lawler.
Yeah, Robbie Lawler healed up like Wolverine.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
Yes, he did.
joe rogan
He healed up like Wolverine.
You can't even tell that he was split open.
bryan callen
Wolverine, man.
joe rogan
You can't even tell he was split open.
unidentified
That's awesome.
bryan callen
Too rough looking.
brendan schaub
Yeah, UFC 200 is going to be fucked.
joe rogan
Dude, how about they're going to do Robbie Lawler versus Carlos Condit?
brendan schaub
Brian Callen was calling for that fight.
bryan callen
I can't wait for that fight.
joe rogan
How about this fight right here?
Max versus Oliveira.
Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, dude.
eddie bravo
Is this going on right now?
joe rogan
This is coming up.
I called this one today, too.
I did one of those countdown shows for this.
Max Holloway impressed the fuck out of me versus Cubs.
brendan schaub
Where do you do those countdown shows, Joe?
unidentified
Here?
joe rogan
Two of them near this area.
bryan callen
What were those white things hanging from?
joe rogan
California?
brendan schaub
Well, I didn't know if you had to go to a UFC studio or what.
joe rogan
No, we go to a sound studio.
unidentified
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just a place.
There's a hundred of those fucking places.
Have you ever done those?
I do one for the video game, too, man.
I've been doing the video game again.
brendan schaub
I did one for them for the top five greatest fights of all time, and I went to Unbreakable Gym.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
eddie bravo
Eric Silva, Rick Story, holy shit.
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
Max Holloway and Charles Oliveira.
I fucking love that fight.
brendan schaub
Kote Berkman's a fun fight.
joe rogan
Hey boys, what date is that?
August 23rd.
Are we doing this or what?
brendan schaub
It's a Sunday.
joe rogan
That sounds like a good day to do a fucking fight companion.
bryan callen
I'm here.
joe rogan
Dude, who's here?
Let's see it in August.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, I'm here.
eddie bravo
I'm here.
brendan schaub
We're going to Onnit next week, but that's it.
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
brendan schaub
Then we go to Costa Rica next week.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a Sunday.
I like it.
I'm here.
eddie bravo
Are you sure you're not doing it?
joe rogan
I'm here on the 23rd.
eddie bravo
Are you sure you're not doing it?
joe rogan
I'm 100% not doing it.
brendan schaub
No, that's a fight night.
joe rogan
That's a fight night.
brendan schaub
Joe says not.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
That's Brian Stan.
Dude, it's going to come to one day.
This is going to be too fun.
It's going to be like Fight Companion is going to be more fun than actually being there at the fights.
brendan schaub
Dude, when I text you guys, especially when I text you, I'm like, bro, Fight Companion for this?
You're like, I'm out of town.
I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
I know, but it makes it...
brendan schaub
So sad.
joe rogan
When you said the other day, and I said, fuck yeah, and you said, fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
So happy.
eddie bravo
We both got all jazzed out of our ass.
brendan schaub
Makes my week.
joe rogan
Eddie texted me, fight companion, I go, fuck yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh shit, the stars are aligning.
joe rogan
And then Callan texts me, we're all texting each other.
eddie bravo
It's better that way.
brendan schaub
The gang is back.
joe rogan
The gang is back, ladies and gentlemen.
brendan schaub
When we did the companion without you, it felt weird, man.
joe rogan
Well, how about Bobby Lee's girlfriend stole the show?
bryan callen
I know.
brendan schaub
She dropped some knowledge and she was hot as shit.
bryan callen
She knew a lot more than I did.
brendan schaub
Bobby Lee shut down.
Bobby Lee shut down.
bryan callen
That's what I'm saying.
Oh, by the way, if you tell me Bobby, she was on the Filipino national swimming team.
Exactly what I'm saying.
unidentified
I was like, huh?
brendan schaub
That's what you're saying, yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a woman as dominant as Ronda, a man, there's going to have to be some sort of an odd balance.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a man as submissive and small as Bobby Lee, you're going to have to have a woman that takes up the slack.
bryan callen
I guess so.
brendan schaub
Or Ronda needs like a fucking Thor.
joe rogan
Just this badass motherfucker.
brendan schaub
I think that's more likely.
Like she's not going to go for a real passive.
bryan callen
Like a Brock Lesnar?
joe rogan
Yeah, Todd Duffy that's been in a lab.
Yeah, something stuff.
brendan schaub
Artificially created.
She's so rich, she's going to have some dude artificially created.
joe rogan
But you were one of the ones that said that Todd Duffy's insanely physically talented, right?
brendan schaub
Might be the best I've ever seen in the gym.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
I've seen Todd Duffy move.
brendan schaub
Mentally, it's just...
He struggles.
joe rogan
He's lost a few times by knockout, and that's not even mental.
brendan schaub
That's heavyweight.
joe rogan
He just got cracked.
But if you see him move, he's got an extremely impressive way of movement.
Like, there's like...
This is hard to describe, but when you see guys fight so many times, you see like thousands and thousands of fights up close, one of the things you notice is if someone's sloppy in their movement, if they're sloppy in their movement, that they're probably sloppy in their thinking, and they're probably sloppy somehow in their preparation, and it might just be a little bit, but that little bit might be they get, they pull back, and then they relax, and then they get back up, and then The way they set up.
Whereas some guys have this super efficient movement, like Anderson.
Anderson in his prime had this super efficient movement.
There was no slop in anything he did.
So when Anderson moved in on you, and when he uncorked shit on you, it was just, shoom!
It was just coming in out of nowhere, which was half the magic of what he did.
There was fractions and milliseconds of things that were missing in his movement that were available in other people's things.
bryan callen
And you couldn't read.
joe rogan
You couldn't read.
And he would do shit like he was setting you up for stuff and you didn't know.
Like when he front kicked Vitor in the face.
Jesus Christ.
He was setting him up for it.
He just saw Vitor's movement.
He saw how it was going.
And it comes out of nowhere.
And next thing you know, it's the ball of the foot to your chin.
There's some guys don't recognize that.
Unless you train that way.
Unless you have this very, very, like, miserly approach to movement.
Like, all that extra shit.
All this sloppy.
brendan schaub
Waste of time.
joe rogan
Where the hand drops.
Everything has to be locked.
Like, you watch Ioana.
Ioana Injecek when she moves in.
That bitch is, like, locked down and lethal.
Everything is super efficient.
Like, when you see her moving in, everything is just locked into position.
And when the techniques come off, it's like, yeah!
brendan schaub
Todd's that way.
Duffy's that way in training.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brendan schaub
This is why I think he has a...
The mental game's not there for him because when I saw him fight Frank Mare, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
Why are you running with your chin down throwing bombs?
joe rogan
He got excited.
He got excited.
He thought he was going to win by knockout.
brendan schaub
But that's everything.
joe rogan
You're right.
unidentified
You're right.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, man, in the gym, and he went to AKA, and I asked Daniel Cormier, I'm like, how good's Todd Duffy?
He goes, bro, that guy's a fucking monster.
I went, right?
But for whatever reason, it's just not translating.
And this is a good way to tell if a guy's mentally strong.
And I'm not saying Todd's not, but there's an issue.
Look at the guys he's beat, and then look when he fights someone who doesn't back down, who's not scared of your body, who's not scared of your previous records.
When you fight a vet who's like, what?
You did what?
I'm not going to get knocked down by a single punch.
That's when you can tell a guy's record.
joe rogan
In his defense, he's had a long time off the UFC. He went through a lot of health issues.
And I think he's getting back on track.
And I think he doesn't have a lot of recent experience.
I mean, he's got that one Anthony Hamilton fight where he knocked him out.
He looked spectacular in that fight.
And how many other fights has he had since he's been back?
bryan callen
I think that's it.
brendan schaub
Since he's back, it's just that one.
Yeah, that was his first fight back.
joe rogan
But the lack of experience.
His recent experience.
brendan schaub
For sure.
But think about, you look at the guy he's beat, he really hasn't beat any big names.
joe rogan
Right, but he hasn't fought any big names either.
He's only fought Alistair when Alistair was on Moon Juice.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he fought Uber.
unidentified
They were pulling lava out of the fucking core of the moon.
bryan callen
Right out of its thyroid.
unidentified
And stuffing it right into his fucking muscle tissue.
joe rogan
Dude, have you ever seen that fight?
brendan schaub
He's like Silver Surfer, bro.
joe rogan
He wasn't even a real human.
He wasn't like Silver Surfer.
He was just running over Todd Duncan.
brendan schaub
He was like, don't do it!
bryan callen
There's a video of you looking at him as he's weighing in, and you're just like, huh?
joe rogan
That was when he fought Brock.
Oh, my God.
He weighed 265. That was before all they did was urine tests back then.
brendan schaub
That's the only fight I've ever seen where when he weighed in, I thought, we're all fucked.
unidentified
Yeah, we're all fucked.
brendan schaub
Watch out.
Well, I should just retire right now.
We're fucked.
joe rogan
If you gave Alistair Overeem the whole medicine cabinet and said, have at it, sir.
You would have the most terrifying guy of all time.
brendan schaub
He would never lose.
joe rogan
Yeah, at his best when he was whatever he was on.
If he was on anything or not.
We know he got caught, but who knows if that was one time.
I'm just trying to be nice.
I'm just trying to be nice.
I like the guy.
But my point being, when he was that guy, when he fought in K-1 like that, when he was just jacked to the fucking tits.
brendan schaub
They had strict testing.
joe rogan
He was a monster.
Yeah, they made sure you were on terror.
They test you.
Not enough.
He was a monster.
He's a monster.
I think that him at that level, when he's at that level, would be super hard to beat.
But it's like when you get used to competing like that, and you get used to being at that level, and then you're no longer anymore, then the mental game kicks in.
brendan schaub
For sure.
Him and Dos Santos, look at him.
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Look at that photo!
brendan schaub
He went first in Mr. Olympia!
unidentified
Look at that photo!
joe rogan
That's so insane!
What a body!
Look at his arms!
brendan schaub
You know, he used to fight at 205, right?
unidentified
I know!
bryan callen
And he was thin!
unidentified
I don't know why he didn't say it at 205, but I remember watching...
eddie bravo
The crazy thing is, he said it was from horse meat.
brendan schaub
Horse meat.
And everyone...
And some people bought it.
Some people, I was like, what?
eddie bravo
And then you think, like, maybe it is horse meat.
He's an Amsterdam.
brendan schaub
He makes me look like Kermit the Frog.
joe rogan
But you know what's really crazy?
He's not even pumped up there.
bryan callen
So weird.
joe rogan
See, that's a guy who's just flaccid and flexing.
Like, when you lift weights, it's a thing.
Like, if you see a photo of someone and they look giant, they might have just lift weights and their arms literally get, like, twice as big.
You get pumped up.
brendan schaub
He's just chilling there.
joe rogan
He's just relaxing in his underwear on a scale in front of millions.
brendan schaub
Poor Brock Lesnar.
Got kicked right in the fucking liver.
Was like, oh, fuck this.
joe rogan
He got kicked right where he had surgery.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, that's crazy.
unidentified
On purpose.
joe rogan
The guy had 12 inches of his colon removed, and then he fought a year later.
eddie bravo
We got 500 on this, right?
brendan schaub
We got 500. Man, you think he's going to lose in his hometown?
unidentified
No, no.
eddie bravo
You think he's going to lose in his hometown?
unidentified
No, no.
brendan schaub
I think OSB's going to win, but just for the fun of this show, I got Glover taken.
unidentified
For the record, I think OSB's not a guy.
eddie bravo
Annul that bet.
I'm taking Glover.
brendan schaub
I got Glover.
I think Glover's going to win by submission.
And it's going to really hurt your feelings.
bryan callen
Glover's going to block and knock him out.
joe rogan
Glover's going to knock him out?
eddie bravo
I don't want to hurt you, brother.
bryan callen
I think Glover is a very composed...
joe rogan
When Ovensen Pru knocked out Pat Cummins, he woke my eyes up.
Me too.
He knocked out...
eddie bravo
Didn't I tell you?
bryan callen
That was a nice uppercut on his back foot.
joe rogan
Well, I think he's talented as fuck.
I've always loved him.
brendan schaub
He's explosive as fuck.
joe rogan
But what he's doing is he's getting better.
He's getting more and more skillful.
And when he knocked out Shogun with that beautiful step-aside left hook...
brendan schaub
Confidence is a big thing for us.
eddie bravo
He likes twisters, dude.
joe rogan
That was spectacular.
He's so hilarious.
He's got all these victories by knockout, and he's like, the twister.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I think he's the only guy or the second guy in history in MMA. He got someone in the truck and got him in a calf crank.
He's always in the truck.
joe rogan
You see those scars on his arm?
brendan schaub
It's the Omega.
joe rogan
That would make you like, wouldn't that create some texture?
Wouldn't that make it, like, difficult, like, for you to slip out of stuff?
unidentified
Depends.
joe rogan
Like, if you decide, if someone was so gangster, they decided to scar all their arms, from their wrists all the way up to the top of their shoulder, so they have a more textured skin, so guys couldn't get out of chokes.
So you couldn't slip out of guillotines.
brendan schaub
That's some dedication, bro.
joe rogan
If someone found out that there was a way of creating scarification that made a textured surface, and scars don't sweat the same way regular skin sweats.
brendan schaub
They burn their skin like Darkman.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If somebody did that, a long process, and created a super textured skin all over their arm.
brendan schaub
Like Freddy Krueger, bro.
bryan callen
There's a tribe.
There's actually a tribe in Africa that does that.
joe rogan
Well, think about it.
They do a lot of scarification.
bryan callen
In Africa, they scar their backs, and sometimes they die and go into shock and all that, but they'll scar their entire back.
To look like a crocodile.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen that.
brendan schaub
I think OSP's by far the better athlete.
I just think Glover has more experience.
And, dude, when I trained with Glover, his wrestling and grappling, he hasn't shown it much, but he's a fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
Well, his top game is heavy.
When he got Kyle Kingsborough in the ground, you could see, like, ooh, that's a heavy top game.
His arm trying was nasty.
bryan callen
He wears him like a sweater, Joe.
brendan schaub
He had a lot of hype coming in.
A ton of hype because of Chuck Liddell.
joe rogan
Right, but also you've got to think those six years he was out of the UFC were six years of his prime.
When he was Chuck Liddell's main training partner, everybody was high on him.
He was the first guy to...
What the fuck is his name?
Looks like the Predator, the Crazy Dreadlocks.
brendan schaub
Sokiju.
joe rogan
Sokiju.
He was the first guy that knocked out Sokiju.
He knocked out Sokiju in the WEC? Or was it WEC? Or Palace?
unidentified
Which fight was it?
joe rogan
It was WEC. And that was the first time I saw Glover fight.
I was like, whoa, this dude is a gangster.
brendan schaub
There's so much hype on him from everyone, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you gotta think, man.
He's like, what, 37, 38 now?
unidentified
How old is he?
brendan schaub
Isn't he 36, Jamie?
joe rogan
Find out how old the Glover is.
Oh man.
bryan callen
Oh fucking man.
joe rogan
The reality is if he's not doing anything, if you get to this stage in boxing, if you get to this stage like back in the day when no one was taking anything, right?
Like the Marvin Hagler era.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
We assumed nobody was taking anything.
brendan schaub
Let's hope not.
joe rogan
What guy got to be like 36, it's the fucking end of the road.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Over, over.
All dogs go to heaven.
Yeah, it's over.
joe rogan
All dogs go to heaven.
The line of the night.
It's over, my man.
It's true.
bryan callen
All dogs go to heaven.
joe rogan
It is.
It was the line of the night earlier.
unidentified
Kermit the Frog?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was another one before that, too.
brendan schaub
Angel Piss?
bryan callen
Angel Piss.
No, but there was another one, too, actually.
brendan schaub
I don't even know, man.
joe rogan
Why don't you just stand up?
brendan schaub
Come on.
joe rogan
Dude, you could do it.
Believe me.
If you could do it on this podcast, you could do it on stage.
You would love it.
bryan callen
I agree.
joe rogan
You 100% could do it.
Listen, what you should do...
brendan schaub
I just want to do it and hang out with you guys at night.
joe rogan
Anytime.
brendan schaub
You can always do that.
I just want a reason to hang out at night.
bryan callen
I don't know why you wouldn't.
I don't know why you don't start writing and just...
We'll go over some stuff and just get up and have fun with us.
joe rogan
Here's what you do.
This is your move.
unidentified
Ready?
joe rogan
You go on the road with Brian and Brian brings you up and you do like five minutes.
bryan callen
That's it.
joe rogan
You tell a story for five minutes.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
And even if it The bombs, you laugh, and then you bring him back, and then, you know, everything's groovy.
Because there's no expectations.
bryan callen
It'd be sick.
brendan schaub
I mean, I'm not scared.
I just don't want to disrespect the...
joe rogan
I don't want to disrespect.
That's like saying I don't want to try Jiu-Jitsu because I don't want to disrespect Jiu-Jitsu.
It's like everything else.
Everybody sucks at first.
And you'll be funny because you're funny already.
bryan callen
I agree.
joe rogan
Dude, you can do it.
I agree.
brendan schaub
I'm down with you guys' help.
joe rogan
Right now, there's keyboard warriors all across America going, You guys are fucking ridiculous!
He's not funny!
brendan schaub
He's a fucking meathead!
You're screaming!
unidentified
Everybody's not funny!
joe rogan
You're not funny either!
Fuck you!
unidentified
Fuck him!
joe rogan
Stop trying to get everybody to do comedy!
Stop telling everybody to do a podcast!
It worked!
Look, the podcast worked.
bryan callen
It did, man.
joe rogan
The podcast is stellar.
bryan callen
Listen, man.
joe rogan
Goddamn, the biggest thing both of you guys do now.
bryan callen
I'm going to get to you after five minutes.
You're going to come on the road with me.
brendan schaub
I'm down, man.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, man.
You can do it easy.
By the way, you guys have a giant, crazy live show if you did that.
It'd be nuts.
He's 35. There we go.
bryan callen
We got our live show, by the way, October 1st.
brendan schaub
Brea Improv.
Tickets just went on sale.
First live show just went on sale.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Oh, I'm going to be at the Cot Theater September 4th in Vegas with Ian Edwards and Greg Fitzsimmons.
unidentified
I like it.
brendan schaub
We just had Greg on.
He's a funny dude.
He said you guys were roommates.
And then, of course, I went, you ever seen his dick?
And he went, no, I didn't.
I went, you were roommates?
You never checked out his dick?
bryan callen
Yeah.
I hear Greg's got a piece on him, though.
That's the rumor.
joe rogan
He doesn't have a little dick.
It's not little.
brendan schaub
Well, no, he said it's, like, award-winning.
joe rogan
Well, he's a little guy.
brendan schaub
You know what?
That'll throw you off.
joe rogan
Yeah, if that was on Ben Rothwell, it wouldn't look so big.
bryan callen
There you go.
eddie bravo
Are you going to be here next week?
brendan schaub
Ben looks like he's a small dick.
He's huge.
joe rogan
He's so big.
He gave me a hug the other day.
unidentified
I was like, Jesus.
brendan schaub
He's so big.
And hairy.
joe rogan
What was it like fighting that dude?
brendan schaub
I was so cocky, I thought I was going to smoke him.
unidentified
I think it was spinning elbow and landed.
brendan schaub
And I never trained it before.
I saw John do it.
I was like, oh, I'm going to do that again.
Never trained it, landed, wobbled him.
Guess what?
The last words before I went in the cage, my coaches know me.
They go, listen, you have better cardio, better technique.
Let's drag this in the third round.
I went, yeah, cool.
Went in, spinning elbow, nuts.
Knocked out.
joe rogan
Damn it.
eddie bravo
I like this.
unidentified
Nuts.
Nuts.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
It's a bad idea.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Ovin St. Proof.
Finding out in Knoxville, Tennessee, bitches.
eddie bravo
I think it's crazy that Bruce Buffer does all this amazing, passionate shit and they never show it on TV. I love watching it.
joe rogan
It's one of my favorite things to watch.
eddie bravo
They never show it.
They always cut to a crowd shot.
bryan callen
Bruce Buffer might be one of my favorite Americans.
joe rogan
Tara Swift said it best.
Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
brendan schaub
That's a nice song.
It's true.
bryan callen
Are those the lyrics?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
People don't know this, but Bruce Buffer's going off right now.
joe rogan
Listen to it.
Can we hear it, Jamie?
eddie bravo
He's going off.
We just don't see him.
brendan schaub
Let's see if we can hear.
joe rogan
Here, pump it up.
Here we go.
eddie bravo
Here we go.
joe rogan
Keep it cranking.
eddie bravo
Dude, he jumps and spins right here.
Watch.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Yeah, they pulled back on him.
They pulled back.
eddie bravo
You got a little bit.
brendan schaub
Why hate on Bruce?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
They're going to do the best ref in the game right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Give him the reach around right there.
bryan callen
Big boys.
brendan schaub
Got a set of tits on him.
joe rogan
These are some big fighters right here.
I like that Big John's doing this.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
joe rogan
Guaranteed a good referee here.
eddie bravo
I wonder why Bruce doesn't just give Big John the mic.
So you take the mic.
brendan schaub
Hey, hear me out here.
Hear me out here.
Why not?
What?
OSP, right?
Yeah.
USA, Glover, Brazil.
Why not have the trunks?
If you're going to do them like that, they have this name.
But to make it different, why not have the trunks yellow and green and black and then have OSP's USA colors?
joe rogan
Not a bad idea.
brendan schaub
Bro, his wrestling is fucking good.
OSP early is tough to take down.
Trust me.
Super tough to take down.
As the rounds go on, it gets easier and easier.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Glover took him right down.
brendan schaub
OSP off his back.
No bueno.
No bueno.
joe rogan
Glover just took him right down, right in the half card.
That was impressive.
eddie bravo
Hey, I'd have to pay you right now.
joe rogan
Dude, that was impressive.
eddie bravo
I could pay you next time.
brendan schaub
You're kind of fucked.
joe rogan
He's a beast on the ground, man.
brendan schaub
Super beast on top.
joe rogan
He's so dangerous on top.
He's got such good control.
brendan schaub
You know what OSP's worst thing is?
eddie bravo
Oh, look at all that great control.
Oh, so great.
joe rogan
Little ground and pound.
brendan schaub
Dude, OSP's hip.
eddie bravo
You're right, though.
joe rogan
You're right, though.
eddie bravo
No, you're right.
joe rogan
No, but he, look, OSP got out of there, man, for sure.
unidentified
Oh, low.
It's OSP's hips, man, or a beast from football.
joe rogan
Someone doesn't have a diamond cup.
Diamond MMA cups.
bryan callen
Gotta have a diamond cup.
joe rogan
Took one right to the jewels.
bryan callen
Just like a diamond-shaped pisshole.
joe rogan
Took one to the acai berries.
brendan schaub
Acai, that's never fun.
Especially when you're trying to grind a guy out.
eddie bravo
If he's okay right now, he lied.
Because it takes way longer than that.
brendan schaub
No, sometimes there's pressure.
No, sometimes there's pressure, man.
eddie bravo
You need five minutes for real.
brendan schaub
I know, but there's pressure.
The fans are like, come on!
joe rogan
There's obviously levels of getting hit by nuts.
You can't heal in 30 seconds.
bryan callen
Look at the size of his ass and legs.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
Oh!
joe rogan
Look at the nasty kick to the body.
Oh, he hurt him.
brendan schaub
Oh, he rocked him.
eddie bravo
I want my money right now.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
unidentified
Right now.
joe rogan
Right now.
Look at this.
Olvens has got a hold.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Oh shit!
Elbows!
joe rogan
Elbows!
Hammer fist!
eddie bravo
If you pay me now, 200 bucks.
brendan schaub
No sir.
eddie bravo
200 bucks, just give it to me now.
unidentified
Oh!
No sir.
joe rogan
Oh, look at these elbows!
eddie bravo
Okay, I'll wait then.
joe rogan
Dude, Ovin St. Prue's a monster.
brendan schaub
Super athletic monster.
joe rogan
Oh, he's fucked up.
brendan schaub
He's super fucked up.
OSB's about to win.
joe rogan
Glover's very good in these situations.
That's how he knocked out Ryan Bader.
Get that kick to the body, man.
Oh, run that pipe.
Run that pipe.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
joe rogan
Straight to mount.
Straight to mount.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Oh, goddamn.
Dude, are you kidding me right now?
That's Glover's ground game.
Oh, this is a crazy fight!
brendan schaub
Hey, he's gonna roll.
There he goes.
He's gonna get his back.
joe rogan
But he's high.
He's high on the back, man.
He's high on the back.
bryan callen
Get behind the arms!
brendan schaub
He's flattening him out.
bryan callen
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
Dude, are you kidding me right now?
He likes that arm triangle.
bryan callen
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Look at this goddamn ground game.
There's a lot of time left.
He will.
I hear you, dude, but you gotta be impressed with Glover here, no?
You're not impressed?
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
Dude, this is wicked.
And plus, he was tested here.
I love Owens' left kick, man.
Me too.
brendan schaub
It also got him taken down, though.
So I didn't love it.
joe rogan
It did, but the one before is what started off that combination that had Glover hurt.
brendan schaub
For sure you can't just do this.
He's gonna roll his back and get out.
Ooh, he's too high.
eddie bravo
He's gotta stand up.
He's good control, though, man.
unidentified
Stand up.
joe rogan
There's a little critical moment here, right?
eddie bravo
Stand up!
joe rogan
Stand up!
bryan callen
What do you do here?
brendan schaub
Oven needs to stand right now.
Hand fight and stand.
Because he only has one hook in.
Stand and hand fight.
joe rogan
He's trying to create that opening.
Trying to create that opening.
brendan schaub
Go, Oveny!
eddie bravo
Go!
bryan callen
Oh, damn!
unidentified
No, get up now!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
He got up.
brendan schaub
He's about to get taken down.
eddie bravo
Damn, that was crucial.
That was like a movie right there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but I'll tell you what.
joe rogan
Ovens landed some fucking hard shots while he was trying to take him down earlier.
There ain't no picnic standing up with him.
unidentified
Fuck, no.
joe rogan
And if you separate that left kick to the body and to the head...
brendan schaub
Oh, on the feet, OSP's better.
I think.
joe rogan
He's dangerous.
brendan schaub
Way more dangerous.
Because all Glover does is he's like a really good Rampage who can grapple is what I think.
joe rogan
Well, it's also Ovens has those two big knockouts over Shogun and Cummins.
bryan callen
Dude, he's got great takedowns.
You're right about his wrestling.
His wrestling is ridiculous.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, it's so fucking good.
bryan callen
Oh, he's a beast, man.
joe rogan
But look at Ovens looking for the fucking Paul Harris.
That's what we're going to call it from now on.
It's not the Kimura anymore.
It's the Paul Harris.
eddie bravo
He's using that Kimura to recover, too.
He is the Kimura to recover.
Oh, he's at Mount.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
I thought he was an half guard.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
I got him to right to Mount.
eddie bravo
Damn.
bryan callen
Again, this is exhausting for Ovens and Prue.
brendan schaub
Super exhausting.
Especially if you're not a grappler.
joe rogan
You could wind up in guard here.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that!
joe rogan
Pass!
Pass!
unidentified
That was some serious top game right there.
joe rogan
Alvin St. Prue loves the Von Flew.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
Pass to do it!
Yep, he's almost there.
eddie bravo
It's open.
It's over.
joe rogan
He might get the Von Flew here.
eddie bravo
He might get it.
brendan schaub
That's his shit.
joe rogan
There you go, son!
eddie bravo
Glover's going out.
He's going out.
brendan schaub
Sometimes the glove's stuck.
No, Glover's smart.
He's turning away from it.
joe rogan
Wow, this is close though.
You know what I would do here?
Look at this man, he's stuck!
eddie bravo
I jump in the top half, go lock down and let the guy get on top of me and I finish from my back.
It's easier from the back.
bryan callen
What do you do, Eddie?
eddie bravo
I jump in the top half, they take it, I lock down their legs in advance, let them roll on top of me and it's easier from the back with the lockdown.
joe rogan
So this position right here, even Vaughn Flew, Vaughn Flew is easier from the lockdown?
unidentified
Yep.
bryan callen
Wow, he lost it.
joe rogan
Oh man, Ovin St. Proust swings.
Wow, what a fight!
bryan callen
What a fight!
brendan schaub
Don't kick!
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Kick, please.
unidentified
Kick.
joe rogan
His kicks are awesome.
brendan schaub
That's a bad idea.
That's a horrible idea.
joe rogan
He's such an athlete.
The way he moves, he's got so much fucking horsepower behind him.
brendan schaub
He does, but at this level.
joe rogan
Look at his ass.
bryan callen
Kim Kardashian ass.
That's a Kim Kardashian ass.
joe rogan
Maybe after she goes to Brazil for one of them surgeries.
brendan schaub
That critter gots a shitter on him, for sure.
unidentified
Hey!
bryan callen
That critter's got a shitter, sir.
joe rogan
Do you mind?
Oh, you didn't.
Son of a bitch.
Son of a bitch.
bryan callen
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to...
Who is this?
joe rogan
Some dude who runs fast and high-five signs.
brendan schaub
He's an actor.
joe rogan
Montel Williams is in it.
Some zombie movie?
Is this the Day of the Dead or some shit?
Is this the new Walking Dead one?
brendan schaub
Bro, Montel Williams is not in it.
joe rogan
Is that what this is?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
You know there's a new Walking Dead.
Rosewood.
brendan schaub
Is it called Rise of the Dead?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
For sure kind of switch it up though.
joe rogan
Well, the idea is to keep it as close as possible because it's the same writers.
They're going to have like a chain of them.
brendan schaub
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's something super close like Run of the Dead or Jog of the Dead.
joe rogan
It's smart, man, because everybody who loves that show can't get enough of it.
I can't get enough of that show.
brendan schaub
I saw the first two seasons.
unidentified
Is that good?
bryan callen
Walking Dead?
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
I need a show.
joe rogan
So fun.
unidentified
Zombies?
joe rogan
I love it.
brendan schaub
Let me ask you this though, Rogan.
Let me ask you this.
bryan callen
I couldn't get into it.
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
The new one takes place here in LA. Well, the old one took place in Atlanta.
There's no black zombies in Walking Dead.
It's in Atlanta, son.
joe rogan
Well, they pale up.
They pale up once they die.
bryan callen
They do pale up.
joe rogan
There's a few black ones, actually.
brendan schaub
But there would be a lot more if it's in Atlanta.
joe rogan
You're dead right.
bryan callen
Dude, he's dead right.
joe rogan
That shit gets super racist.
bryan callen
Sam Cruz got real problematic.
That is a big, strong man.
Look at his ass.
joe rogan
His ass is ridiculous.
brendan schaub
He played for Tennessee Volunteers.
joe rogan
It's that kick to the body.
His kicks are nasty, man.
He's got so much power behind him.
unidentified
Ouch.
joe rogan
And he's another guy that just gets more and more efficient.
He loves that uppercut, too.
He gets more and more efficient.
By the way, Glover is a hell of a boxer.
Glover's more technical when he throws real short shots.
There's that fucking kick again.
There's that fucking kick!
You got a good point, but look, Vince, same group.
Back to his feet.
bryan callen
It's going to come down to cardio.
It's going to come down to cardio.
unidentified
And you know what?
bryan callen
It looks like Glover has good cards.
brendan schaub
OSP's never been in dangerous rounds, like championship rounds.
bryan callen
Glover's never been knocked out, right?
joe rogan
Well, Glover's starting to slow down, or excuse me, OSP's starting to slow down a little bit here, and we're at four minutes.
brendan schaub
He just looked at the clock.
bryan callen
It's a lot of muscle to feed oxygen, too.
brendan schaub
That's a sign of weakness.
bryan callen
A lot of muscle to feed oxygen, too.
joe rogan
Ooh, good body shots.
He's got to be aware of what he's doing, because he's exploding.
He's not as mechanically efficient as Glover is.
bryan callen
Glover's a better boxer.
brendan schaub
He keeps looking at the clock.
That's a bad sign, man.
You know what?
joe rogan
Glover's just wasting less time movement, but the movement that OSP does has so much pop behind it.
brendan schaub
You can only do that for so long, though, no matter how athletic you are.
joe rogan
Yep, that's the difference.
brendan schaub
And getting taken down.
joe rogan
He's going for a ride right here.
brendan schaub
And Glover's so strong.
You see him smile?
joe rogan
He's smiling.
He's smiling.
brendan schaub
He's smiling, son.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm winning this bitch.
brendan schaub
You know what?
He's wearing his ass out.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's a better fighter.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo?
brendan schaub
Eddie Bravo, you want to check your cash?
You want to do check or cash?
eddie bravo
200 right now.
I'll give you 200 right now.
And then we call it.
brendan schaub
200 cash?
200 cash?
eddie bravo
200 cash right now.
bryan callen
Don't let them honey take you, brother.
joe rogan
Take the money.
Deal.
unidentified
Deal.
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
Deal.
joe rogan
Take the money.
Sure?
Wait a minute.
Come on, the fight's still going on.
Yeah, man.
eddie bravo
No, that's part of the deal.
We didn't make the deal right now.
joe rogan
We cash out.
eddie bravo
Cash out.
joe rogan
This is the only time we ever pay each other.
bryan callen
And he cut his losses.
And he cut his losses.
joe rogan
The only time we ever really pay each other.
eddie bravo
Damage control.
bryan callen
You chew your own foot off, but you still got your life.
unidentified
Well, you don't want to get in a cardio fight with OSP. He's not going to win that one.
brendan schaub
Be not explosive.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it didn't look good.
It's the second round.
It doesn't look good.
So I think I made out.
joe rogan
Well, would if OSP just can kind of chillax down here and take a little breaky-poo and just defend himself well?
bryan callen
Tough to do when you're eating elbows.
When you're eating elbows.
joe rogan
That's true.
bryan callen
To share our elbows is very tough to do.
eddie bravo
I don't have the money with me right now.
brendan schaub
You know what?
eddie bravo
I don't have the money now.
I can come back later.
joe rogan
Let's go.
eddie bravo
Let's come back again and start over.
bryan callen
I'll spot you, baby.
joe rogan
How about this, Eddie?
How about you make an alternative bet?
Since you're going to let him out.
eddie bravo
I don't have all the money.
I have like $73.
joe rogan
How about you bet?
eddie bravo
I owe you.
joe rogan
How about you bet whether or not OSP makes it past five?
Is he going to make it past the fifth round?
bryan callen
I like that!
brendan schaub
No, he's going to get finished.
He's going to get finished.
bryan callen
I'll tell you right now, not a shot.
brendan schaub
Hey, double or nothing, Eddie.
joe rogan
Not a shot?
bryan callen
Not a shot he goes past.
I'll take anybody's bet.
Not a shot he lasts.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I'll bet at two grand he doesn't make it.
bryan callen
Hey, by the way, I say he doesn't last until round three.
He's just too tired.
joe rogan
How much do you want to bet?
eddie bravo
And we could annul that last bet and go back to the original one if I feel, oh, he's coming back.
unidentified
I'll make you the offer.
You have a right to refusal, okay?
eddie bravo
But I'm going to give you the option.
brendan schaub
We'll just add it to the next companion.
eddie bravo
Because if he starts coming back, I'll go, we annul this shit.
brendan schaub
We'll see.
unidentified
But right now we're good.
eddie bravo
That's incredible.
brendan schaub
I think OSP TKO third round.
joe rogan
Okay.
brendan schaub
Gets TKO'd in the third round.
joe rogan
Okay, Brian, is that what you think, too?
Fuck yeah!
Who wants to give me a good bet that it goes the full five?
bryan callen
Not a shot.
I'll bet you anything you want.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Can you give me ten to one?
eddie bravo
I sometimes fight.
joe rogan
Ten to one?
bryan callen
Ten to one.
joe rogan
All right.
Ten to one.
brendan schaub
A hundred dollars?
unidentified
Oh, damn.
brendan schaub
So you get a thousand?
joe rogan
No, I don't want to bet that much.
unidentified
A hundred dollars?
joe rogan
A dollar to win ten.
I'm looking at Max Weinberg profits.
eddie bravo
Damn, he's going for an electric chair right now.
unidentified
Bro!
I'll bet you 10 to win 100. I'm not taking the money anyway.
joe rogan
Glover's beating his ass, though.
That's for fuck sure.
eddie bravo
Damn, come on.
joe rogan
He's hitting him with some serious ground.
Oh, he's cutting him up with that elbow.
bryan callen
That elbow is nasty.
brendan schaub
No, third round, it's over.
Unless he knocks him out.
joe rogan
See, this is the Glover that beat Ryan Bader.
This is the Glover that was making his run at the title.
unidentified
He's a beast.
joe rogan
He's a beast.
People slept on him a little bit in this fight.
brendan schaub
His grappling is so underrated.
eddie bravo
OSP's getting up now.
joe rogan
So, Ovin St. Pru's the underdog in this fight, correct?
brendan schaub
No, he's the favorite.
joe rogan
Oh my god, who made those odds?
unidentified
Look at that!
eddie bravo
He's getting up here!
He's got the underhook.
joe rogan
I would've thought they'd be even money, quite honestly.
brendan schaub
It was almost even.
It was like plus 105. There he goes!
unidentified
Look!
joe rogan
Oh shit!
brendan schaub
Oh shit!
joe rogan
It's bad!
eddie bravo
He's bad!
joe rogan
He's gonna get taken down.
brendan schaub
He's gonna get his ass slammed again.
eddie bravo
Glover's getting tired now.
joe rogan
He's so tired.
They're both so tired.
brendan schaub
You know what Glover said?
He said in the Phil Davis fight in Brazil, he just didn't cut the weight right and he was exhausted.
So he just got fucking grappled for five rounds.
joe rogan
Was also a lot of people felt like, you know, he didn't go to American Top Team for that fight.
He stayed in Connecticut and trained in his garage.
eddie bravo
Dude, there's a long time.
brendan schaub
He did his camp in Connecticut this time too, I thought.
joe rogan
Look at this.
He's back!
eddie bravo
Look!
brendan schaub
Oh, shoot!
Glover's tired as fuck.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
He's back!
brendan schaub
Oh, shit, son!
eddie bravo
Okay, I'll take the bet back.
brendan schaub
Glover, smile!
eddie bravo
I'll take the bet back.
You want to go back?
bryan callen
You want to revert?
brendan schaub
Sure.
eddie bravo
You want to revert?
bryan callen
Relive it!
unidentified
Relive it, you fucks!
joe rogan
You fucks!
We're going back.
brendan schaub
The bet is back on.
joe rogan
Thank God Eddie Bravo didn't pay out.
bryan callen
Guys, guys, we're back.
We're fucking back.
I'm eating a fucking Cheeto.
eddie bravo
You know what?
joe rogan
We're back.
eddie bravo
I lost faith, and I'm ashamed of that.
I'm ashamed of that.
brendan schaub
You lost faith in your boy.
eddie bravo
I am ashamed of that.
bryan callen
When you lose faith, you're looking at my eyes, and I give it back to you.
Look at my eyes, I give you strength.
eddie bravo
I am ashamed of that.
But I feel now he's coming back, and he's going to take this, and you're going to owe me five.
brendan schaub
Shit, he might after seeing that.
bryan callen
Let me explain to both of you guys.
brendan schaub
I have one complaint.
Is there any way we can get more Ronda Rousey ads?
This is ridiculous.
unidentified
I love it.
I love it.
eddie bravo
She's not that famous, though.
bryan callen
A little much.
joe rogan
She's a different kind of woman, man.
eddie bravo
You know two guys that can handle her?
Two guys.
brendan schaub
Thor and Hulk.
eddie bravo
Demetrius Johnson.
bryan callen
I think I could.
joe rogan
He says Thor and Hulk.
eddie bravo
Demetrius Johnson.
brendan schaub
Captain America.
The Thing.
eddie bravo
And Conor McGregor.
Not a chance.
I think Conor McGregor could handle her.
brendan schaub
Not a chance.
She would eat him alive.
eddie bravo
No way.
unidentified
Are you kidding?
bryan callen
I could.
eddie bravo
Are you kidding?
And I think Demetrius Johnson.
brendan schaub
You can't because you're a super fan.
Which you would hate.
bryan callen
No, I would have sex with her a lot.
I would have sex with her a lot and I'd break her walls down and I'd be super nice to her and make a laugh.
joe rogan
Let's watch this fight.
eddie bravo
Let's watch this fight.
bryan callen
Make a laugh and have sex with her.
unidentified
This left kick of St. Bruce and surprise her with my piece.
eddie bravo
Here we go.
bryan callen
Here it is.
Here we go.
By the way, Oven St. Pru might just pull this out.
joe rogan
Dude, he could pull it out.
brendan schaub
He's exhausted.
eddie bravo
If he gets taken down, he proves he's already proven that he can come back from being exhausted.
That's what I wanted to see.
bryan callen
He's not.
eddie bravo
He could recover.
He recovers.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
He recovers.
joe rogan
He's hurt Glover.
bryan callen
Oven St. Pru has to run.
He has to do a lot of running.
brendan schaub
He needs to get off the fucking cage.
joe rogan
His feints are beautiful.
Glover's footwork and his feints, he's staying just far enough that he knows what Ovens can do right now.
brendan schaub
That's a bad idea.
joe rogan
He knows the amount of spring he's got left in his step.
He's calculating it well.
I think he's going to take him down again.
bryan callen
He's going to pop his hips to lift him up or trap his...
joe rogan
He's going to scoop him right in the fucking air.
That's what he's going to do.
Boom.
Oh, Vince.
Time to carry some weight.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's going to get finished this round.
brendan schaub
You got four minutes of this?
Eddie, would you like to go back?
joe rogan
It doesn't mean that he's going to be on the ground for four minutes.
unidentified
No, no.
eddie bravo
He's going to wear him out.
brendan schaub
He's too tired to get up.
eddie bravo
He's going to wear out Glover.
He's going to wear him out.
joe rogan
You think he's too tired to get up?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
He's too tired.
bryan callen
It doesn't go past.
brendan schaub
Third round.
joe rogan
I think he can still get up, man.
I'm not underestimating this guy.
This kid's got mad heart.
I think Ovens is a tough fucking dude, man.
brendan schaub
I think he finishes him this round.
joe rogan
I think he's not as mechanically efficient as he can be in the future because he explodes so much in everything.
But I think that's also his strength.
bryan callen
He may be training wrong.
joe rogan
Well, it's also his strength.
bryan callen
He should talk to some boxers and run for a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe that would help for sure, but it's also something that he does to people they don't expect.
The amount of explosion that he jumps into stuff.
brendan schaub
He's had success with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it works, man.
brendan schaub
Only to a certain level.
And then when you fight a vet, a true vet who has seen that, you don't think Glover's seen an explosive guy before?
joe rogan
Well, you know what the deal is?
He's got to be able to do both and got to know when to do each one.
brendan schaub
In spots.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
You got to know when to do it.
joe rogan
When to do each one.
But I think right now, he's not quite as technically proficient as a guy like Glover, where Glover throws short combinations and they're smooth and efficient.
Yeah.
I think Ovens hasn't reached that level yet, but Ovens can hit fucking hard.
Ooh, he keeps working for that mount.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
He's going to get finished.
bryan callen
Look at this shit.
Look at how you earn your money.
joe rogan
Such good control, man.
Glover's control is so good.
unidentified
Not me, bro.
brendan schaub
Don't say you.
joe rogan
That mount is so nasty.
brendan schaub
I earn my money by saying dick jokes on The Fire and the Kid.
bryan callen
Good man, brother.
joe rogan
Once he got on top of Kyle Kingsborough, I could really see that mount.
I was like, ooh, that's a scary-ass fucking mount.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
He's strong as shit, too, man.
brendan schaub
You know, the other thing about OSP, he's super strong.
The other thing about OSP, he doesn't train at a high-level camp.
joe rogan
Where's he train?
brendan schaub
He trains in Tennessee at this...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
He doesn't have, like, a lot of high-class training partners.
joe rogan
Oh, he's getting fucked up, dude.
He's getting fucked up.
brendan schaub
He's gonna get finished.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, that's it.
brendan schaub
What did I tell you?
unidentified
Eddie Bravo, give me my 500. He's gonna tap.
Cash money.
He's gonna tap.
bryan callen
That's done.
That's too deep.
brendan schaub
Way too deep.
bryan callen
That's too deep.
brendan schaub
And he's going to sleep.
And let's...
joe rogan
He's out.
He's out.
He went out.
Wow.
brendan schaub
Eddie, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Dude.
brendan schaub
I think I said third round submission.
joe rogan
Hey, respect to OSP. He was thinking about tapping and decided not to tap.
unidentified
He's a bad motherfucker, man.
bryan callen
OSP's a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
He decided not to tap.
He went out, man.
bryan callen
God bless him.
And look at how awesome Glover is.
brendan schaub
Glover's like the nicest guy ever.
unidentified
What a great guy.
brendan schaub
Stone Cold Killer?
Nice guy.
bryan callen
What a fucking great guy.
joe rogan
What a crazy moment that is when a fighter decides not to tap.
brendan schaub
It's pretty gangster.
Fuck.
Sometimes they don't know though.
You think you're like, you know, I'm gonna f- light down.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
It's true.
It's true.
bryan callen
I've gotten choked out.
You're like, I'm gonna fight.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at this combination.
brendan schaub
Mitrion gave a thumbs up when I'm in a dars.
That's a cool story, bro.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Fucking right here, man.
And then watch when he cinches it up onto the bicep.
brendan schaub
Like, why wouldn't you tap though?
He's not even fighting.
He's trying to fight in the one hand.
joe rogan
He's trying to fight.
Glover's got that squeeze, son.
And that's where a guy like McCarthy is so important.
bryan callen
John McCarthy is so fucking awesome.
I love that guy.
brendan schaub
He's the best.
joe rogan
Legit Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, too.
He knows exactly what's going on there.
brendan schaub
And he trains.
joe rogan
Fuck.
brendan schaub
You know what?
This is good for OSB, though, man.
joe rogan
Two minutes?
We're done.
Yeah, hey, perfect timing.
What a fucking fight companion.
brendan schaub
Great for OSB. Yeah.
We'll learn from this.
Eddie owe me $500.
We'll do it for the next fight companion.
eddie bravo
Are you guys going to be here next weekend?
EBI is next weekend.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
You going to be here?
joe rogan
Next Saturday, yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
You going?
You going to be here next Saturday?
brendan schaub
If you give me an invite, I'll go.
unidentified
Absolutely.
eddie bravo
VIP tickets.
Brian Callen.
joe rogan
Son.
eddie bravo
If you're listening, I got a submission-only jiu-jitsu tournament going on next Saturday.
It's going to be on BudoVideos.com Saturday night.
joe rogan
We'll be tweeting about it all next week.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we'll all tweet about it.
eddie bravo
You can go to YouTube and search EBI4 Countdown Show on YouTube, and then that'll explain what it's all about.
joe rogan
Yeehaw, fucks.
Eddie Bravo on Twitter, 10thPlanetJJ.com.
Instagram, TheRealEddieBravo.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Real Eddie Bravo Instagram.
Don't go to Eddie Bravo.
unidentified
Big time.
joe rogan
Somebody ganked his shit.
Some super fan.
brendan schaub
Too famous.
joe rogan
Brian Callen with a Y. B-R-I-A-N Callen.
The Fighter and the Kid podcast.
The formerly of the Brian Callen experience.
Brennan Schaub.
Brennan Schaub on Twitter.
The Fighter and the Kid.
Watch the Fighter and the Kid.
And when are you going to bring back Eddie Bravo Radio?
Is that going to happen?
eddie bravo
That's coming.
brendan schaub
Eddie, come on the Fighter and the Kid.
unidentified
Also, first Fighter and the Kid live.
brendan schaub
First Fighter and the Kid live.
Brea Improv.
Tickets are on sale.
BreaImprov.com.
joe rogan
Thank you guys.
eddie bravo
I'd love to be on your show, God damn it.
unidentified
Let's do it.
I love it.
joe rogan
Make it happen.
bryan callen
We love you, so we'll have you on.
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
We love doing these things, and we appreciate all the positive energy that we get for you guys.
We get super psyched when you guys get psyched that we do these.
We get fired up.
These are so much fun, because we are 100% ourselves on these things, and get to fuck off and have fun.
It's a very unusual thing to be able to do, so I appreciate the fuck out of you guys.
eddie bravo
This is an awesome show.
bryan callen
We love you, man.
joe rogan
That's my favorite.
eddie bravo
The wine, the weed.
bryan callen
We've all known each other.
I've known you guys for 20 years almost now.
How about that?
joe rogan
It's been awesome.
bryan callen
How about that?
joe rogan
We're so lucky.
That's, I think, one of the most important things in life is having cool friends.
bryan callen
That's why I drove to the comedy store yesterday.
I had no other reason.
I said, maybe Joe's there.
I see you right in the parking lot.
I got out and we hang out for two hours just talking.
We take pleasure.
eddie bravo
They always say the coolest shit is the shit you don't expect, the shit you didn't plan for.
And, like, this crew, we didn't plan this shit.
It kind of just happened.
bryan callen
We're probably in a fucking tonight.
You know what I mean, guys?
joe rogan
And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.
See you guys soon.
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