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July 1, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #667 - Kurt Metzger
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joe rogan
We are here live with Kurt Metzger, the president of the Donald Trump Fan Club.
And he's going to let us know about the campaign hopeful and exactly what's going to happen with Mr. Trump once he becomes president.
Kurt?
kurt metzger
I'm all for a Trump president.
Would he say it's going to be the biggest economic turnaround?
He made some big promises.
joe rogan
He got fired from NBC, man.
Did you hear about that?
He's suing!
I'm gonna sue!
kurt metzger
Wait, Donald Trump?
joe rogan
He got fired, yeah.
kurt metzger
Oh, for his...
Oh, his firing show.
joe rogan
Yes, he got fired from the fire show.
kurt metzger
Oh, an ironic end for him.
joe rogan
It is.
He says he's gonna sue, though.
He'll have the last laugh.
kurt metzger
Why is he suing them?
Like, what are they firing him for?
joe rogan
Well, he made a bunch of disparaging comments about Mexicans, about people crossing the border, and it was, you know...
He just was talking.
He was talking like a rich guy with no sense whatsoever that he could be held accountable.
kurt metzger
I love that.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that blather where you just can't lie and hide it.
You've got to let it out.
But I never blame the corporation that has to fire whoever for a thing.
That's what I expect them to do.
It's a business.
You know what I mean?
I would never put that on them if I got fired from something.
To sue them after that seems fucking a little crazy.
joe rogan
I think he just sues anybody who gets in his way.
He's a fucking steamroller.
A steamroller of lawsuits.
kurt metzger
Does he win, though?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian redban
He has a rock-solid contract, is what TMZ said.
So that's why he's doing it.
And it's the beauty pageant.
joe rogan
So they fired him from that, and then Mexico said that they won't put a woman in his beauty pageant.
It's over.
What is it?
Miss Universe?
Is that?
brian redban
Miss Universe.
joe rogan
So, it's a rough week for a fucking multi-billionaire.
brian redban
They have Donald Trump pinatas.
Our pinatas are going crazy, though, in Mexico.
Everyone's beating these Donald Trump pinatas.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Yeah, they get mad, man.
kurt metzger
I don't, you know, that's not like, I guess because I'm on the East Coast, it's not like a thing.
Like, I don't have any strong feelings about immigration.
Like, so I never know how to, like...
Yeah, that's interesting, right?
And she wants to talk about her book, Adios America, right?
About, like, the illegals are coming.
And I'm like, I don't really have any...
I'm like, well, I don't give a shit if they come.
Like, why can't we go after their employers?
joe rogan
Yeah, why can't you?
Why can't...
Okay, Jay.
Why can't you?
The thing about Mexico and California is that Mexico you can just drive to.
And a lot of people over here are from Mexico.
You had a good point.
There really isn't a place like that on the East Coast, except for Cuba.
Cuba's got the Miami thing.
Miami and Cuba are right next door to each other.
There's a lot of Cubans.
kurt metzger
Did you have friends or like, I have one of my best friends from college, this dude from Peru was telling me how Cuba's a utopia.
That was his term.
joe rogan
It is if you like 1950s cars.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I guess.
Nobody's on an inner tube floating to Cuba that I've ever heard of.
That's just why I don't buy...
joe rogan
Well, they have some good things.
They seem to be really nice people.
They have a great sense of community and family.
kurt metzger
Have you ever been there?
joe rogan
No.
But I wish I could tell you why I may go.
But I'll tell you off air.
Sorry, folks.
It's a secret.
But what you see down there for real is like these incredibly restored old 1950s American cars.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because that was the last time they were getting cars.
kurt metzger
Oh, right, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at all these cars.
This is Cuba.
kurt metzger
Oh, I can finally film my 50s.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how they're doing this, you know, what they do with the bodies or how they make sure that these bodies stay restored, if they're remanufacturing them.
I don't know how they're doing that.
Like some old cars, they take like some old cars and then people will make new body parts for those old cars.
kurt metzger
The cars are made of people, Joe, did you know?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
But look at this.
This is Cube.
I mean, there's a few new cars in there, one on the left-hand side, but there's a lot of this, man.
unidentified
That's cool.
kurt metzger
That is cool.
joe rogan
It's weird, right?
kurt metzger
And you said you're going for sex tourism?
unidentified
Shut the fuck up!
joe rogan
Jesus, Kurt Metzger!
I don't know how long...
kurt metzger
That looks fucking kind of cool, actually.
joe rogan
How long have they been using these old cars?
Like, that is older than the embargo, right?
The embargo happened in the 60s.
unidentified
They really built them back then, you know?
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
So, like, these are really old cars, though.
Like, that up on top, I think that's a 57 or a 56 Chevy.
That blue one to the middle.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that's a 50s.
Like a late 50s car.
brian redban
Look at that taxi.
It looks like the Mork& Mini chair.
joe rogan
That's a real taxi.
The egg.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Nano Nano egg.
1952 Oldsmobile.
Wow.
So, there are a few, like, see, there's fairly modern cars in the background.
It's a modern truck.
But I guess you see a lot of these old cars.
It's kind of wild, man.
It's like a time machine, you know, if you go back there.
brian redban
Dick Tracy.
kurt metzger
Oh, that's cool, that one.
joe rogan
Well, they're all cool, but driving them is like driving a living room.
They're retarded.
They're just the dumbest fucking...
They're the dumbest shape ever for, like, getting around.
kurt metzger
I think that fucking Fiat's a stupid shape.
You know that commercial?
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
They always run of, like, women want to fuck it?
Yeah.
It's the dumbest...
It's shaped like DeRose.
joe rogan
They have weird commercials.
Commercials almost always involve fucking.
Remember the one time there was a kid in the backseat, and all the bras and all the girls getting changed in the front seat, and all the bras and everything are flying on him, and he's just sitting there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
kurt metzger
Yeah, you know, I fucking hate those commercials.
For the same reason you'd read, like, a feminist blog hating that commercial, or for a different, like, I hate it too, but...
I think they hate it for a reason different than my reason.
unidentified
Right.
kurt metzger
Like, I'm insulted by it.
joe rogan
They hate it because it's objectifying women.
All women are just there to be sexual, play things, and throw their bra on your face while they're driving.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know the difference.
Everybody really believes that that really changes you so much, like the little extraneous shit that you look at.
joe rogan
Changes your perceptions.
kurt metzger
It bothers me because I resent the idea that I would just, oh, tits, okay, I'll buy a Fiat.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, tits?
kurt metzger
Like, that's annoying to me that someone would think I was that dumb.
But, uh, I don't understand the objective.
You know what's the worst objectification?
Those fucking, uh, like, top ten worst beach body lists.
You ever seen that shit?
unidentified
Yes.
kurt metzger
That ain't for men.
Who's reading that?
That's what my girlfriend, like, which girl has the shittiest body?
I would never even look at a list like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
How is me, like, the burger commercials, like, nicer, you know?
joe rogan
Unless there's someone on there that you used to think was hot, then you might check out, see how far the slide has gone.
Like, ooh, you might look.
You might look in a train wreck way.
But yeah, those things are for women.
Yeah, but it's not some women it doesn't mean to fight like it's like if you're creating characters for fiction And the idea that you can't create a cunt, you know, you can't make a slut You can't make a girl who's all fucked up in the head.
Well, they exist in life Okay, and if you're making fiction your fiction doesn't necessarily have to represent anything other than what's in your head What's the wacky story you're trying to get out?
You don't have any obligation to use a certain amount of Asians.
You don't have any obligation to use a certain amount of white people or black people.
Your obligation is to make something cool up.
Make it up.
Pull it out of your head.
kurt metzger
Well, look, people don't worry about entertainment like that.
When I was religious, that was our...
When I was Jehovah's Witness, dude, like every fucking thing I watched, like Smurfs was off limits for some fucking bullshit reason, right?
joe rogan
They wouldn't let you watch the Smurfs?
kurt metzger
Yeah, I mean, so what, really?
But there's, I don't know, there's some demonic thing with that.
And it's all this fucking, and then I remember the Simpsons, somebody came in and gave a talk.
Brother Tucker, his name was.
He was like the traveling overseer was his title.
All right?
And he would come and like give talks in the congregation.
I was in meetings like three nights a week.
So he gave this whole fucking talk about all this shit that would like, how E.T. was bad.
E.T.? Yeah, because he healed the boy.
And like, yeah, who do we know is the only person who can heal?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Like, I might start believing E.T. is the real Jesus.
That's the fear.
And then the Simpsons had rebellion against authority and disrespect of your elders.
So I could hear the mothers, I'm not letting my kid watch it.
I could hear them chattering after that.
That's what this shit is now.
It's like, what's the representation?
It's not propaganda.
Some shit's just candy, you know?
joe rogan
So we were talking about this before the podcast.
Do you think that some, like, overtly upset PC people, that what they're doing is almost like a form of, like, protecting the Lord?
Almost like a form of fighting against blasphemy.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I remember those people from my church.
I remember all of them that were like, oh, well, you something.
joe rogan
So they're just doing that same behavior.
kurt metzger
I believe that 100%.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
kurt metzger
You don't notice the exact same thing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Listen, I don't even mind them.
As long as you're not trying to get me fired, you can say whatever.
I'm not against criticism.
That's fine.
Do I have to be fired?
Can we not do that part of it?
joe rogan
Well, that is where you find out exactly what kind of people they are.
What exactly are they trying to accomplish?
Are they trying to engage in discourse with a reasonable person?
You're a reasonable guy.
You'll have conversations with people.
But that's the thing.
They want you instantly labeled as an unreasonable person who's not to be debated.
kurt metzger
Well, you shouldn't even have to bring it up.
You should just know what the right thing is to do.
Remember the anti-Seinfeld?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
kurt metzger
Like, you know, Seinfeld...
By the way, Chris Rock said the same thing, right?
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
About colleges are too busy.
But he's allowed to.
kurt metzger
Yeah, there was not.
So then Seinfeld comes out and it's like, well, he's irrelevant and an old man or something.
Which, by the way, that's like saying someone's fat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
I don't see the difference there.
joe rogan
It's an ad hominem.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, it's diffusing his argument.
And what he's saying is, you know, what Jerry Seinfeld was saying was that colleges are too PC. You know, call you on everything.
kurt metzger
Well, the thing with his daughter, they don't even know what the fuck these words mean and what constitutes that.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
And that's exactly right!
I don't think that PC ruins comedy.
Like, people who are funny are still funny.
It kinda fucks up audiences, right?
So, we both...
I have the same goal as one of these PC people.
Like, I think people should be more sensitive to each other and all that shit, right?
But their system's not going to create that.
It's just going to create fucking people that shut down at buzzwords.
So that's not helping.
It's not accomplishing anything.
joe rogan
It's also a game.
There's a total that's being run.
On one side, people are trying to catch you for things they can catch you with.
It's just like what happens with cops.
When you start giving cops the ability to start writing out tickets, and you give them the ability to play this game, and this game is to try to get the bad guy.
You're involved in a game.
Well, you're in a game with them, too.
And their game is to get offended.
Let me find some shit to get offended at.
And then they find it.
I got one!
I fucking got one!
And they get that one.
They want to parade that one out.
They want to publicly shame them.
Like that fucking lady on Game of Thrones.
unidentified
Shame!
joe rogan
Shame.
That's what they're doing.
kurt metzger
It's like talking to bill collectors, dude.
They're like, what?
Please don't swear, sir.
Yeah.
Oh, I can't help you if you're...
I think I said, like, scumbag about...
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Please watch your language, sir.
kurt metzger
It's like that.
That's just an easy out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a gross app.
kurt metzger
I like it.
I could be reasoned with, so if somebody has an argument that talks me out of it, I'm not entrenched, you understand?
So just, if you're going to educate me, do it.
I'll listen to you.
joe rogan
You were involved in something like that.
What was going on where someone was trying to fire you for something?
kurt metzger
Yeah, there's this, what do you call it?
Remember Sam Morrell?
It was the Great Rape Joke War of 2012. There's the Great Rape Joke War?
Remember that whole fucking thing?
joe rogan
Daniel Tosh thing?
kurt metzger
Yeah, so Sam Morrell used to have a joke.
He was having sex with this woman.
Oh, he was having sex with this black woman.
It was making him really uncomfortable.
She kept using the N-word.
And he goes, you know, no!
Right?
So, somebody wrote a whole article about that.
So the joke's like, whatever, a throwaway joke, but there was a whole thing about how fucking terrible he is.
So I did a thing with him where we said the person that wrote this article is not a real person, okay?
And she was something we invented to make some points about free speech.
And I had a couple people on Facebook say, like, oh, the jig is up.
And so it spread pretty quick that she's not real, okay?
And she got fucking furious from that.
So she went through my whole Facebook and, uh...
By the way, like, don't go on my Facebook.
I can't say that enough to people.
Like, I don't need you and it's not good.
And she went through every post she could find to just cut and paste shit.
joe rogan
Out of context.
kurt metzger
Jokes.
Clearly jokes.
And made a collage out of it, which was pretty awesome, actually.
Like, it looked pretty cool.
And had this thing to get me fired.
But I wasn't going to get fired, but I had to have, like...
I'd have a call from my producer and shit.
I never even equated my job with any of this.
You know what I mean?
That was like, well, I'm dumb, because I didn't realize that would spill over into my day job.
joe rogan
Well, the fact that she's got the kind of time to do that to someone who criticizes her or makes a little mock website.
kurt metzger
Well, she has a mental illness that she had to be committed for, which I didn't know.
I wouldn't even have made a joke like that.
That probably is a beautiful mind for her.
When I did that, if I knew she had that, I wouldn't have done that.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
She had something wrong with her.
So people with that disorder, borderline personality disorder, they take shit way harder than like...
joe rogan
Regular folks.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you did it in response for this guy getting raked over the coast for an obvious joke.
kurt metzger
I was actually jealous that he was getting attention.
That's how stupid I am.
I was like, I haven't been offensive, where's my thing?
So then I got my wish.
joe rogan
So you took it to the next level.
So what was the most heinous infraction that you were guilty of for doing that?
unidentified
What were the terms they used, shitlord?
kurt metzger
No, but you know what?
It's called the disturbing online trail of Kurt Metzger.
joe rogan
That's what it really is.
kurt metzger
That was the name of the article.
joe rogan
The online trail.
kurt metzger
It's a real smear job, dude.
I was shocked how smeary it was.
Where I'm like, wow, you really managed it.
But it's still kind of funny.
They still didn't, even in the effort to make it bad, but it's the most unfair.
I can't even believe the amount of Like, bullshit.
So it's pretty easy for someone to do it.
And I think still to this day, I'll get random, like, people are angry at me to this day from that.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
Yeah, so it's like, it can affect you something.
I know it's affected me somehow, this bullshit fucking article.
joe rogan
Only in good ways.
Anybody that gets offended by that, you didn't want them in the first place.
Anybody that can't see, you can't read through that and go, wait, what's going on here?
What is the whole story?
Oh, they are mocking you, and they said you weren't a real person, like you were a parody account.
And then you're angry.
I don't know why that's so...
kurt metzger
Well, because people were putting up fake accounts of her all over the place, which I didn't tell anyone to do that.
And by the way, I repeatedly, my fucking stupid fans, I can't ask them enough not to get involved.
joe rogan
You can't ask them to not get involved because it's not your say.
They want to get involved because it's fun for them.
kurt metzger
I don't need that in my fucking...
joe rogan
But it's not you.
unidentified
It's them.
kurt metzger
Fine.
I wash my hands of you doing anything.
joe rogan
You may, but she invites that because what she's doing is online.
This is a totally open arena.
So for you to say to your friends, don't give her a hard time.
Why is there a comment section?
Why is there a comment section?
If you're writing nonsense, why did you leave a comment section?
Oh, you're going to heavily edit the comment section and chop out all relevant criticisms?
kurt metzger
Well, because you know what?
I don't want to...
Like, I would have...
She's like somebody I would have had on my show if it hadn't gone to that.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't want to alienate the people.
I want to get whoever I can to come on my goddamn podcast.
Because I'm not into, like...
I'm not trying to, like...
joe rogan
What's it called, by the way?
kurt metzger
Race Wars.
It's me and Sherrod Small.
And we're going to Sirius pretty soon for four weeks for, like, a trial.
But it'll still be a podcast.
But, yeah, we have...
I'll have, like...
joe rogan
I2 is the whole deal?
kurt metzger
Yeah, yeah.
It's...
joe rogan
Website?
kurt metzger
Yeah, well, SoundCloud and iTunes, you can get it on.
joe rogan
Okay.
kurt metzger
And the last one we had, Ann Coulter, the managing editor at Jezebel.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
kurt metzger
This girl, Carolyn Castiglia, who's a comic.
joe rogan
Do you hate life?
kurt metzger
It was great.
It was one of the best episodes.
And I had a fucking slam poetry contest.
joe rogan
Really?
A slam poetry contest?
kurt metzger
You didn't see the fucking YouTube video of Rape Joke, the slam poetry finals?
joe rogan
No, I missed it.
kurt metzger
Oh, it was brutal, dude.
joe rogan
What is it?
kurt metzger
It's these two girls doing a, like, each one says the next line kind of slam poem.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
kurt metzger
Like, that they rehearsed.
They're like, knock, knock, who's there?
Rape Joke!
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
kurt metzger
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
What is this?
Is it a pair?
kurt metzger
Your rape joke's not fucking funny.
The crowd goes nuts.
No, it's a real thing.
If you go on Upworthy, that's what they love, is like slam poetry.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
It's a slam poem.
joe rogan
What is Upworthy?
kurt metzger
You've never been on that?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
Seriously?
It's a...
Like things you're supposed to...
brian redban
It seems familiar.
kurt metzger
Dude.
brian redban
What is it?
Is it like Dig?
kurt metzger
It's like, uh...
Here's like an up-worthy title.
Like, this video of elephants getting married will blow your mind.
And then you see like a little short clip.
Or else it's like, this little transgendered girl explains it all.
What she said...
You blew me away.
You know, like, those are all the headlines and you're not blown away.
brian redban
It's the shit on Facebook where, yeah, I hate that crap, where it says something like, you won't believe what happens next when this dog comes home from war.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, you don't understand, Brian.
It's like super lefty, what he's saying.
kurt metzger
But this is, look, it reads like my old religious Jehovah's Witness literature.
joe rogan
But here's why they're wrong.
unidentified
That's what we would have.
joe rogan
You know, celebrate diversity, don't squash it.
Here's why the president is wrong.
Like those kind of questions, right?
Or those kind of titles.
kurt metzger
That's a little more thoughtful than the titles, I would think.
joe rogan
But there's like, you know, Kirk Metzger is evil and a problem for America.
Here's what's wrong with his comedy.
kurt metzger
That's too specific.
No, they're misleading.
It's always like, get ready to have your mind blown.
joe rogan
Let's read some of their titles.
kurt metzger
Pull that back.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like all the...
kurt metzger
Hey, bring it up!
brian redban
I looked at one today where it was somebody...
joe rogan
Can you scroll up to the top of the page?
kurt metzger
There's probably a lot of parody sites of it, too, by now.
joe rogan
Okay, how seven things that have nothing to do with rape perfectly illustrate the concept of consent.
kurt metzger
Watch, it's not going to perfectly illustrate.
joe rogan
But how crazy is that, that the first thing they go to is rape?
There's a little bit of rape obsession going on.
I know it's an awful, heinous crime, but goddamn it comes up a lot.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I don't think awareness has to be raised more about it, but I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't think there's anything wrong with raising awareness, but it seems to me there's a massive focus on it.
kurt metzger
Well, you're not going to...
Look, law enforcement has to do their job.
You know all those rape kits they have backed up?
That's fucking a big problem with convicts.
joe rogan
Rape kits backed up?
kurt metzger
Yeah, like they haven't checked them.
But the things you see now is this idea that just a little education is going to stop this.
And you can educate men not to rape, but you're not a rapist.
That's what they do.
You're not going to educate them out of that.
So that's why law enforcement is supposed to take care of that.
You don't have to tell me not to rape.
I get it.
That's a bad thing to do.
joe rogan
I think, for sure, there's something about society's attitudes towards it that would make it more...
kurt metzger
Look at this.
Instead of teaching women how to avoid rape, let's raise boys specifically not to rape.
Hey, good luck with that!
People that do that are like that.
Pedophiles are like that.
They just come out.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, I definitely think that growing up in a certain household, if your household is fucked up, and your dad is just a piece of shit towards women, and you see that, you grow up with that, but you're not going to change that with a cartoon.
kurt metzger
You're just not.
There's nothing that's going to change that, but you've got to lock them up.
There's nothing you can do but lock them up.
joe rogan
Well, the only way to do it that makes any sense at all would be to somehow or another...
Raise better kids.
You'd have to figure out how to engineer that.
And that is not a small task by any stretch of the imagination.
kurt metzger
Maybe we can breathe that out.
But I'm saying in the meantime, while we're working on that, which absolutely should happen, also watch your back until that problem is taken care of.
Like, I shouldn't have to chain my bike up either, but that, you know, it could get stolen if I don't.
joe rogan
This is seven things that have nothing to do with rape.
Perfectly illustrate the concept of consent.
It says, want to watch Pulp Fiction?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
The guy says, sure.
Half hour later, eh, I'm not really liking this.
Let's do something else.
And the guy puts his hand on him and says, no, you said you'd watch the movie, so you're staying until it's done.
So he's gonna fuck that guy, basically.
kurt metzger
No, it's like he's raping him by forcing him to watch a movie.
joe rogan
Any guy that cares about whether or not you watch a movie is gonna fuck you.
He's just waiting for the drugs to take hold.
That's double rape.
He's kind of double raping you.
He's movie raping you and real raping you.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a rape, rape, rapist.
These are all terrible.
Thank you for letting me borrow your car.
No problem.
The next week.
What are you doing?
Borrowing your car.
You said I could.
If anybody fucks you for a week, that guy deserves a trophy, first of all.
That's a terrible analogy.
You can't take my car whenever you want it.
That's bullshit.
You said I could have it once, so I should be able to have it all the time.
kurt metzger
Her car pussy!
I get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's car pussy, and for a week.
The dude's fucking her for a week.
That's what they're trying to get you to think.
This guy's so virile.
I can't even read these.
kurt metzger
I know.
They're not even entertaining enough, but...
joe rogan
They're hurting my brain.
kurt metzger
It's just such odd.
Who is this message for?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Who is the message for?
You know, it's duh.
It's all duh.
It's duh.
Don't rape.
Duh.
Don't be racist.
kurt metzger
No, remember No More, the fucking Law& Order commercial?
All the cast of Law& Order SVU. Right.
You know, No More Sexual Assault, which is a good cause, right?
joe rogan
They're gonna stop it.
kurt metzger
Yeah, we're all for that.
joe rogan
They're gonna do it.
kurt metzger
Like, I'm not one of these guys that's for it, okay?
So then their slogan is no more, which if there's one thing a rapist understands, it's the word no, so good work with that.
And then they act like they can't even speak.
Did you ever see that?
It's all the actors from SVU, and they just go like, and it cuts to the next one, and he's like, no, no, and they cut to Mariska Hargitay.
She goes, can we stop?
Can we just stop?
And it says, sexual assault is hard to talk about.
Is it really?
Cast of Law& Order?
SVU? They're on a rape show for 16 years.
They can't bring it up now.
joe rogan
Their whole show's rape and murder.
kurt metzger
It's just the hammiest fucking shit.
brian redban
Yeah, they make money off of rape and murder on that show.
That's all that show's about.
kurt metzger
That's porn for old people.
That's who watches that shit.
Old people don't fuck.
They get all titillated by murder shows.
joe rogan
Who's gonna see that and just go, damn, I was gonna go raping.
brian redban
I know, right?
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Alright, Dan Florek.
You got me, you fuck.
brian redban
Yeah, that didn't help one person, I bet.
Not one single person.
joe rogan
Of course not.
None of that works.
You can't just tell people to not do things.
kurt metzger
Well, you know, there should be an environment, here's the thing you work on, if somebody got raped, that they feel like they can report it.
Like, that's what should make Yes.
That's the, whatever the attitude is to work on is, the whole key is everybody's got to report it when it happens, which some people don't want.
Yeah, but do...
Oh, go ahead, what are you saying?
joe rogan
No, go ahead, go ahead.
kurt metzger
Well, remember, Killstein was on.
This is the thing that drove me nuts when I wanted to come on the show was when he said, rape's worse than murder.
So that's not really helping a victim to tell them they're better off dead than...
That's not really very kind, Jamie.
Do you understand?
unidentified
No.
kurt metzger
So that's how people don't report their rape because they'd want to be known as someone that something worse than murder happened to, right?
joe rogan
You know, no one ever stopped any sort of crime because of a slogan.
Give a hoot, don't pollute, maybe.
You know, maybe.
Maybe only you could fight for as far as.
You know, maybe you stopped some people with one of those cartoons.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I think that could work.
joe rogan
But don't rape.
kurt metzger
Hey, pedophiles!
joe rogan
Don't be an ape and please don't rape.
kurt metzger
Cut it out, pedos.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Cut the...
Stop fucking kids.
unidentified
Period.
kurt metzger
Hands off the boys.
joe rogan
Let's call it what it is.
Stop fucking kids.
kurt metzger
They should have like a...
We should make like really forceful ads.
Hey, it's not cool to fuck kids.
joe rogan
That would be a great ad.
Just three words.
Stop fucking kids.
That's the whole ad.
kurt metzger
I don't care if it's controversial or not.
You gotta stop.
joe rogan
Yeah, just stop.
I know you get a rise out of it.
You need a hobby.
You can't continue to fuck kids.
kurt metzger
No more it was only one or two a year, you know?
No more.
joe rogan
Imagine if you could find a kid that could keep his mouth shut.
What a gem.
unidentified
Oh, God.
kurt metzger
Jesus.
joe rogan
Found one.
kurt metzger
Yeah, no more of that.
joe rogan
If you're a pedophile, it's got to be, the life of a pedophile is going to be the most heinous prison to find your mind trapped in.
kurt metzger
You know, do you think that's an orientation, being a pedophile?
joe rogan
I literally have zero idea.
What I imagine is that, like, some people have schizophrenia, and some people, you know, they develop all sorts of weird mental disorders and multiple personality disorders.
The human brain doesn't always work right.
kurt metzger
I heard schizophrenia is kind of just a catch-all for a bunch of shit.
I didn't realize how much Scientology bashes the shit out of psychiatry.
Psychiatry's got a lot of bullshit.
I didn't realize compared to medicine where it's not like they can't really diagnose shit for real.
It's a lot of guesswork.
Did you know that?
joe rogan
Well, I know it in talking to people that have taken antidepressants.
That's the dick.
That's the robot dick.
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, sorry.
unidentified
It's alright if I hit my glass dick in here.
joe rogan
But Neil Brennan was on the other day, and he was talking about...
This is one thing that a lot of people may not know, and I didn't know until I started talking to people that take them.
Folks who take SSRIs, they don't know why these things help people.
They really don't know.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
And they don't know which one's going to work on you, and they give you a bunch of different ones.
You try this one out, this doesn't work.
Give me another one.
They give you another one.
Ooh, I think we got it.
And you've got to figure out what the dosage is.
It's a weird science.
kurt metzger
Does this sound right to you?
I read this.
I don't remember where I read this.
So it could be just horseshit, but you know people are supposed to get suicidal on those?
joe rogan
Yes, on some of them.
kurt metzger
Yeah, because some of them, this could be wrong, but it sounded interesting to me.
It kills anxiety, some of them, you know?
You have a certain amount of anxiety naturally about ending your life that's just naturally there to keep you from doing that.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
And with some of these drugs, they even you out so much that you don't feel that fear.
So if you really thought out your suicide pretty well...
Now you no longer have the fear of committing it because you're calm.
So you're like, oh yeah, it's no big deal.
I'll just kill myself.
joe rogan
Well, that was the argument for school shooters and things along those lines.
kurt metzger
I used to believe that, too.
But then I found out when people said, like, they're not all...
Some were on Xanax.
It's not all the same drug, and that's, like, the very catch-all, you know, easy answer.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is that they don't feel anything.
It doesn't bother them.
I had a friend who was on Zoloft, and the way she described it was, she's like, nothing bothered me.
Like, nothing.
My car could burst into flames.
Whatever.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's creepy.
joe rogan
So if you had a desire to kill someone for some reason, it wouldn't fuck with you the same way it would if you weren't on something.
So the idea is, so you get someone who's probably wired wrong anyway, right?
For whatever reason, trauma, abuse, genetics, whatever the fucking reason is that someone could become like that Colorado school shooting guy.
But you put someone like that on certain medications, and the way it interacts with your fucked up brain is it allows you to do heinous shit and not feel anything about it.
kurt metzger
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
kurt metzger
I mean, I guess it depends how much of that is just in you.
Because I thought they calmed you down, too.
joe rogan
For some people, but they have a different effect on different...
It's like those medicines that they give people for ADHD. Right.
If you took it, you'd be like...
kurt metzger
I know, that's what happens when I do take it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you give them to kids who have ADHD, apparently it calms them down in some strange way.
kurt metzger
They like crash or something.
joe rogan
I don't fucking get it.
kurt metzger
You know, it's just fucking meth, man.
Wow, that's a little different, but...
joe rogan
Slightly.
kurt metzger
I love that we give kids Hitler pills now.
By the way, did you see that thing about his Hitler the junkie?
On History Channel.
It was all about his Dr. Feelgood.
joe rogan
Oh, he had a Dr. Feelgood.
They didn't even know back then.
People were taking meth.
They thought it was like a vitamin.
kurt metzger
Yeah, he would get his Vita shot of meth.
joe rogan
He probably had a lot of energy.
It makes sense, if you think about it.
They used to give that to the fighter pilots, apparently.
kurt metzger
Yeah, the Germans came up with it.
joe rogan
Well, the kamikazes take it.
They used to get dudes to fly their plane into ships and blow up.
Turn them into human torpedoes.
Apparently they were using crystal methadry.
kurt metzger
That's amazing they could be that like sure that they're guys like a god-emperor to do that, you know?
That bomb really fucking turned that idea around.
Holy shit.
They're like, ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
That guy's not god.
joe rogan
Yeah, there is no god.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's a fucking...
joe rogan
When that hits, boom.
When you see the entire city evaporate?
How about the one guy who escaped from Hiroshima and then went to Nagasaki and they dropped it on Nagasaki too?
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, that's the fucking craziest...
joe rogan
He made it out of both of them.
kurt metzger
I mean, can you imagine after that, you're like, you're never gonna believe what happened.
joe rogan
Could you imagine what it must have been like to see both of those cities get nailed?
kurt metzger
What's the argument that maybe they didn't need to drop two?
Like they could have maybe just dropped the one?
joe rogan
They definitely could have dropped one.
The actual argument, I think, we were talking about it yesterday, is that they might not need to drop anything.
Like the Japanese might have already been trying to surrender.
Oh, is that right?
Not yet.
kurt metzger
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
Got a thing we gotta do first.
I don't know if that's true.
You know, like, also I've heard that we knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor and we kind of let it happen.
I've heard that too.
kurt metzger
It's just always the same incompetence, dude.
It's like...
joe rogan
Could be.
kurt metzger
I fucking...
joe rogan
Or the Illuminati, Kurt.
kurt metzger
Ugh, I get in those fucking arguments all the time.
joe rogan
Goddamn Illuminati.
They're looking out right now.
kurt metzger
I would do anything.
joe rogan
You're a puppet of them.
kurt metzger
Dude, if they want me to draw triangles on shit, I'm fucking so into it.
Fame-based from the Illuminati.
I'd be happy to serve.
joe rogan
So they tried to get you fired from this show, and it didn't work.
kurt metzger
Well, because I'm nobody, so if she maybe picked a famous dude, she could have made something happen, but she picked somebody nobody fucking has heard of.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what they're doing?
They're just trying to get traction?
kurt metzger
Just to barnacle onto somebody else's shit.
joe rogan
Right.
There's a lot of that, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's been going on forever.
joe rogan
But you get away with it because it's a good cause.
You get away with shitty behavior and shitty interaction skills.
kurt metzger
If someone's like, I'm geared towards, like, a lot of people are like, alright, well, what's going to be the liberal or conservative position?
And I identify as that, so I'm just going to go with that.
I don't really have even time to think about it, you know?
Which I probably don't.
And you just go with the liberal, like, that's just what it is.
It's just knee-jerk, whatever.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's really interesting comparing it to religion, comparing the mindset, cult mindset, religious mindset.
kurt metzger
These are things that have to be true, right?
They just have specific things that are suddenly a gospel that must be true, and you must ignore all the fucking evidence.
That's what I used to do to not believe in evolution.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
I would ignore the shit that's not, because there's no way what I believe can't be true.
I'm familiar with that.
joe rogan
Like this Rolling Stone article that came out where they were deceived.
By this woman who claimed to have been gang raped by a...
unidentified
Oh, right.
kurt metzger
Well, she set out to find how horrific...
By the way, that's a real problem that didn't get served too well by...
joe rogan
By someone making a fake story.
kurt metzger
Making up the most outlandish story that I've ever heard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
And...
But that's the thing.
She set out to find, because she knew it to be true.
But you know what?
I don't get how...
I was watching Vice.
Did you see the Vice thing about it?
About Columbia?
They're talking about campus rape.
Like, how come the school gets to deal with it at all?
The only answer I heard was because convictions are hard to get in a court of law.
And that might be the only way to, I guess, convict a rapist.
But so what?
He gets expelled?
If someone raped you, that's a good enough punishment?
They just get expelled from school?
joe rogan
So is that really what happens?
Like they don't bring it to a criminal court?
kurt metzger
If somebody knows, tell me.
Because I have no idea to this day why all these institutions, church or whatever, why is there anything where they handle it in-house?
I thought we all knew by now.
Molestations are handled outside.
Right?
Like, that just makes more sense.
joe rogan
That's interesting, because I always knew that they were accusing people, and they were expelling people, and they were judging people, whether or not it was based on all the evidence, or whether or not they were correct in their assuming that this person was guilty.
Like, this guy in the University of Virginia, he kind of got really fucked over this.
Now he's suing.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's okay.
kurt metzger
Let's say he was guilty.
That's justice?
He got expelled for rape?
That's your fucking sentence?
Like, how are you satisfied with that?
joe rogan
Yeah, how could they be satisfied with that?
kurt metzger
Well, now he won't have a really good...
He'll have to go to another different school.
Like, what have you done to stop rape with that?
Expelling people?
joe rogan
Well, this is...
What I'm talking about is...
I'm getting my stories confused.
I'm talking about the kid who...
The kid who's suing is the kid who the girl is walking on the mattress.
kurt metzger
You're talking about Mattress Girl.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's suing.
He's suing for misandry.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was...
I got confused.
The other story doesn't really have a real man that was accused of anything, right?
kurt metzger
No, the Roy Stone one you're talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Okay, I have no fucking footnotes.
Sorry for any of this.
But what I read was this girl was part of this anti-rape group, and she had a crush on one of the guys in the anti-rape group, okay?
Because the friends of her were saying, I don't know that, you know, we know something happened, because she was hysterical.
But she had been making up this fake guy who was texting, yeah, this girl's really super cool.
First, this guy started out as a guy to make the other boy think someone wanted her, right?
And then it ended up where the guy that, you heard George Glass from the Brady Bunch, basically.
She made up a George Glass, right?
Like, what's her name?
unidentified
The middle one on Brady Bunch.
brian redban
No.
kurt metzger
Jan?
Yeah, she did a Jan Brady.
joe rogan
Monica's the older one, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah, her fake boyfriend.
So then she comes and says, George Glass raped me, and all that shit, and it was to get attention from this guy.
She's like a weird chick, and she just got into it.
And so because they're inclined to automatically believe, they just are like, I don't know, but it was bothering them.
And the chick that wrote it...
joe rogan
It was bothering them.
kurt metzger
Yes.
And this is an anti-rape group.
They were like, I don't know if Jackie's, like, telling the truth.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
kurt metzger
Do you know what I mean?
But, listen, you gotta look it up, so...
I promise you I didn't dream it.
unidentified
Oh, God.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but there's just more to it.
I just don't want any cut and dry.
If somebody says they got raped, the answer is, well, take it very seriously.
It's not believe or don't believe.
It's like, well, let's really investigate this because that's an important thing to get to the bottom of.
joe rogan
And there's got to be really strong punishment for someone who uses false rape accusations.
I mean, are there in place?
What kind of punishment do they do?
kurt metzger
Then the issue is, let's say you had to say you didn't get...
You know the numbers for women who lie about rape that are used usually by feminist websites where they're only like 2% or something of women?
That's a really bad number because that's counting women who have gone to the police and recanted their accusation.
So you don't know if those women were being pressured to do that.
It's not an accurate measure.
A liar is not going to go do that and say, I was lying about it.
So you're fucking real victims and also more liars are getting away with that system.
joe rogan
Let's just look at what that is.
That's 2 out of 100. 2% is 2 out of 100. That's not good odds.
kurt metzger
Nobody knows is the real answer.
I'm just saying if you had a law to make it a really stiff penalty for women to lie about rape, I always watch it with that because I don't want someone, let's say a woman got pressured into saying she lied, to get swept up under a law like that.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
That's why I'm against a death penalty because I don't want one guy who didn't do it to get fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, what I'm trying to say is under their numbers, if you have 20 guys and each one of those guys has had sex with five women, two of them have been falsely accused of rape.
That's crazy!
kurt metzger
I'm not good at math, but I believe you.
That is crazy.
joe rogan
I'm not terrible at math, too.
Someone's probably out there screaming.
That's not how the numbers work, you fuck!
But it is how the numbers work, because we're talking about 100 people.
If there's 100 dudes, or 100 sexual cases, they're talking about 2%.
2% of these rape cases are falsely accused.
2%.
kurt metzger
Well, listen man, I don't know...
joe rogan
You'd have to actually have a hundred rapes.
So I'm really not doing it right.
Because, like, you'd have to have a hundred rapes.
It's not like a hundred people had a 2% of sexual encounters.
Wow, how good is this weed I'm smoking?
kurt metzger
It's very suspicious to calculate that much, Joe.
joe rogan
This is what's wrong with my idea.
But even then, okay, let's say if there is a hundred cases that are brought in front of the cops, right?
And out of a hundred of them, two of them are totally bullshit.
That's a lot.
Because they probably get how many a year?
So how many a year are you dealing with where people are being falsely accused and locked in a cage?
Is it as big of a deal as rape?
Of course not.
Of course not.
Is it way worse?
kurt metzger
What, getting falsely accused?
joe rogan
There's probably way more actual rapes than false accused rapes.
Probably way more, right?
So rape is a way bigger issue than falsely accused rape.
But it doesn't mean that falsely accusing someone of rape is okay.
It's not like that.
kurt metzger
Yeah, who says that?
joe rogan
That's a real fucking problem.
Well, they try to underplay it.
They try to make it out like it's not a big deal.
The people that are really trying to stop rape should be most concerned with making sure that false rape accusations are punished.
Because I make sure that you really highlight exactly what the actual problem is.
The real problem.
kurt metzger
Wait, would you say be most concerned with that?
I think be most concerned with the law enforcement of it.
You know?
But let me ask you this, because I always, you know, one in four, that statistic seems very high, right?
joe rogan
One in four?
kurt metzger
College-age women are raped, supposedly.
joe rogan
Is that what they say?
kurt metzger
Well, listen, let me ask you, because in my personal life, I know a lot of people of both sexes who got sexually assaulted somehow.
Like, a lot, dude.
unidentified
Right.
kurt metzger
And, you know, part of that could be because I just hung out around drug people a lot, you know, that's how you meet people that got fucking sexually assaulted.
unidentified
Right.
kurt metzger
Or, it could be that the people that aren't in the bad circle like that are just lying about it and pretending that didn't happen to them.
So I don't know, like, maybe it is that high.
It's just there's no way to really tell.
joe rogan
Well, it all depends on what you consider sexual assault, and they sometimes try to make it as broad as possible.
Like, one of the, there's two really nutty, robot dick?
There's two really nutty things that they've tried to do recently.
One of them was, in New Jersey, they were trying to pass some law that made it, where if there was any deception involved that led to someone having sex with you, then it's rape.
kurt metzger
I can't say I'm a big-time producer anymore to get laid?
Oh my god.
I can't tell women I'm a foot doctor anymore.
joe rogan
You'd be a rapist.
You'd become a rapist.
If that's the reason why the person had sex with you, under false pretext.
kurt metzger
Well, if the lie was, I don't have AIDS, then I'd get it.
But other than that...
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
It's like everybody makes sex such a fucking big deal.
That's a real part of the problem.
Is that sex, what everybody wants, the idea of pleasure between people, and part of it is because we don't wear any clothes.
Because we wear clothes, rather.
We cover everything up, and then the idea of like, getting at it.
Oh, it's underneath there.
Oh, I'm gonna get some.
And we make it out to be such a big deal, and it becomes like this overwhelming thing that like...
Sort of like infects people's consciousness.
We're fascinated by all aspects of it, whether it's rape, or whether it's abstinence, or whether it's monogamy, or whether it's being a whore.
It's like, blah!
We're just obsessed, obsessed with sex.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well listen, right?
This is how my girlfriend put it, that reaps just like a very primal form of dominance.
unidentified
Whoa.
kurt metzger
And that's what a...
joe rogan
What a gal.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Yeah, she's smart, but that's what it is.
Like, my dog, my poor fucking dog got like...
That's an animal fucking thing that's in mammals, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
It really is.
joe rogan
It certainly is.
But the only way I think you're ever going to stop it, the only way that really truly makes sense is you've got to figure out how to engineer better human beings.
kurt metzger
Yeah, obviously.
joe rogan
It's the only way.
It's the only way.
But how the fuck do you do that?
How can you stop someone from having a kid?
kurt metzger
It's kind of getting like...
joe rogan
Hopefully.
kurt metzger
I don't think if people survive that it won't kind of get more civilized.
joe rogan
I think so too.
As long as everything keeps going.
kurt metzger
Assuming it's not a fucking, you know, Mad Max thing.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, the preppers win.
Dude, I was in South Dakota.
kurt metzger
This guy, I was doing this place in South Dakota, the something beach club.
It was actually a good show.
But the dude that booked me, or like the manager of the club, he drove us to Mount Rushmore.
And we were talking, and he was telling me that he's building a bunker.
And I was like, dude, don't you already live in a bunker called this South Dakota, right?
And it's for Jesus reasons, not Red Dawn reasons.
Jesus reasons.
joe rogan
So he thinks the second coming?
kurt metzger
I mean, he's a real nice guy, too.
But I used to believe all that shit.
Not the second comic, but the end times and Armageddon.
And there's nowhere does it say you're going to be able to have a bunker and fucking, like, bunker your way out of it.
joe rogan
Well, you're going to use the Information that God has provided you to make sure that your family would be the only ones that survive much like Noah did see the internet is like the voice of God really tells you about the Impending return of Jesus kills kills everybody.
kurt metzger
I'm surprised God wanted me to masturbate that much You know it's fucked if you if the second coming is coming that means Jesus gonna take you he's gonna take you up to heaven He thinks he won't be taken maybe and he thinks like he'll have to he's that bad that he'll probably have to hang out and go to heaven later and He's gonna have to just fuck these people that he's got imprisoned in his bunker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Duncan Trussell met one of those dudes.
He went and visited this bomb shelter bunker thing under a mountain somewhere.
He drove deep into it.
We did this sci-fi show where he drove deep.
They have RVs down in there.
They have air supplies.
Not like the band.
kurt metzger
Well, if you believe the fucking Bible, by the way, it says not even the mountains will hide any people.
So don't bother with your bunker.
Just read your fucking...
joe rogan
But that guy was a prepper.
He wasn't a Jesus banger.
kurt metzger
Ah, well, that's smarter.
joe rogan
You grew up...
Jehovah's Witnesses, are they the ones that are not allowed to use doctors?
kurt metzger
No, that's Christian sciences.
I'm not even sure what extent they're like that either, but that's not Jehovah's Witnesses, no.
joe rogan
So what is Jehovah's Witnesses, the ones that knock on everybody's doors?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
And what was that religion like?
kurt metzger
Probably the main doorknocker.
It was just fucking, uh...
joe rogan
You grew up in it?
kurt metzger
It's a religion where you have to, like, do it.
So it's not like being...
Like, I would always envy Catholics, because you don't have to fucking do it.
joe rogan
Right, right.
kurt metzger
They had, like, a cool, like...
Like, I had to, like, be in it.
You know?
joe rogan
All the time.
kurt metzger
Yeah!
That's your primary goal, is to be ready for the end.
joe rogan
Most people that call themselves Catholic fucking never go to church.
Probably a big percentage.
kurt metzger
They didn't kick out Michael Corleone, right?
Ever?
Like you're a murderer.
unidentified
You have to leave.
joe rogan
Jesus forgives you.
You just gotta go to confession.
Talk about all those people that you killed.
kurt metzger
It's a good system.
I give a hand job once in a while for that.
joe rogan
Did your parents grow up in it?
kurt metzger
No.
My mom converted from Catholic when she was a teenager.
And my dad, my grandfather converted his family, my dad's family to him.
My dad was like 12. Wow.
joe rogan
Your grandfather.
So the grandfather took the father and the whole family, including your dad when he was already 12 years old, and said, come on, you're coming with me.
I'm joining a cult.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Well, my dad grew up really...
My grandfather built planes for World War II. Wow.
He was a fucking smart dude, so he was an engineer.
But he never went to college, and he was very anti-war, I guess, or something at the end of the war, and he was like, Jehovah's Witnesses don't get involved in politics or a war.
By the way, you cannot be a Christian and fight a war.
I don't know why people think you can, but you can't.
It's pretty clear about it.
People really believe God gives a fuck about their country, and it's so, like, in plain English, well...
I mean, it's an Aramaic book.
But it's like, it's a very clear teaching that he doesn't approve of any of the countries.
He's going to ruin all of them.
You just have to obey them until the end comes.
That's the extent of your obligation.
But you can't fight, like drop a bomb on another Christian for America.
How could that fucking go over?
joe rogan
Yeah, and if America was dropping bombs like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they had to have a couple of Christians down there.
kurt metzger
Of course they did.
joe rogan
Had to.
kurt metzger
You think God forgives you for that?
Like, more than, uh, because you saved whatever?
Like, you didn't give a shit about your country.
joe rogan
So how did you bail on it?
kurt metzger
I started reading...
Well, first of all, I was like an asshole.
I was just like, didn't want to do it.
You know?
I had that in me of like...
joe rogan
What kind of school did you go to?
kurt metzger
I went to regular school.
I wasn't like homeschooled.
Some people do that in it.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
But, you know...
joe rogan
So you didn't go to any cultural religious school?
kurt metzger
I went to my prom and shit, you know?
unidentified
Okay.
kurt metzger
So it wasn't that super restrictive for me.
So it depends who your parents were.
joe rogan
Was it you going to school and talking to other kids that sort of led you off the path of God?
kurt metzger
No, more, it was, uh, I went to college.
joe rogan
Oh, pussy.
kurt metzger
I went to R.S. Yeah.
But the seeds, I'd already been reading, like, kind of skeptic shit on my lunch breaks at the Wiz.
I would buy these magazines at Barnes& Noble that were called skeptic.
So that was, like, a little foundation of it.
And then pussy later, when I got to college.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
I got pussied right out of that.
joe rogan
So, both things are good.
The reading was good, and then the pussy was good.
What is it like being like 1920 going, what the fuck did I think?
kurt metzger
Oh, I felt really guilty, dude.
joe rogan
That's one of the reasons why you're probably good friends with Ari.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I got along with him immediately.
joe rogan
You guys have the exact same story.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I was technically a minister and he was supposed to be like a rabbi, right?
joe rogan
Dude, Ari lived in one of those crazy religious houses in Israel for a long time.
kurt metzger
How many years?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
He talks, I don't always listen.
I just don't remember.
He definitely mumbles a lot.
It's hard to catch everything.
You gotta go, wait, what?
You lived in a what?
kurt metzger
Say that again, clute!
joe rogan
What is that word?
But, you know, he was studying the Torah like 10 hours a day, like all day.
They would study the Torah.
And he was full gung-ho.
And then, you know, by the time...
When I met him, it was only like a few years after this, which is really crazy.
And I look back and think about it.
Like, he was not...
When he was first coming around to the Comedy Store, he was not that far removed from living in this crazy religious commune in Israel.
kurt metzger
And by the way, you know, I'll tell you, nine-tenths of the problems, especially with this rape shit...
A lot of this horrible stuff about how victims get treated is straight out of the good book.
I mean, that's like a huge...
Do you remember the story of Dinah?
Did you ever study Bible shit when you were younger?
joe rogan
I only studied it in first grade.
First grade was the only year that I went to Catholic school.
And then second grade, I went to San Francisco.
So it was first grade and then second grade was like super hippies and gay people living next door.
Like I went from one extreme to a total difference.
kurt metzger
Sodom and Gomorrah, right?
joe rogan
So I don't remember any of the biblical stories unless I looked them up as an adult.
kurt metzger
I had my book of Bible stories.
Which I look back at, and the lessons are hilarious that we're in there.
So, like, Abraham's daughter, Dinah, or maybe Dina, I don't know how to pronounce these names.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
But, uh, she was, uh, she made friends with, like, worldly girls, you know, from the city that weren't her same religion, right?
And she'd go hang out in the city.
And then this guy, Shechem, saw her and forced her to lie down with him.
Like, you know, she got raped.
But who knows?
He might have held her hand.
It's like ancient fucking, you know, Bronze Age Jew shit.
unidentified
I don't know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He might have held her hand.
kurt metzger
So then he falls.
joe rogan
It might have been a microaggression.
kurt metzger
He falls in love with her after he raves her and goes to Abraham and says, let me marry her, you know, which will preserve her honor.
Abraham's like, okay, fine, but your whole household has to get circumcised first, and then you can marry her.
He goes, fine, we'll all get our dicks snipped.
Okay, so while they are recovering from getting their dicks snipped, Dina's brothers are enraged by this.
Like, what is their sister?
A whore?
And they go and kill everyone in Shechem's household, like his whole family, while they're laid up from their dicks getting cut.
And then Abraham's like, what did you just do to us?
Now people are going to hate us.
It's like one of those things about how Jews are going to be in trouble now because of something you did.
And he goes, now people will be hated wherever we go because of this thing you have done.
So the lesson that you get from it in my book of Bible stories is like, all of this happened because Dina chose poor associates.
That's the lesson of the story.
This dumb bitch should stay home.
So that's getting torn out of the fucking Bible.
And so, listen, that's why I always hear like patriarchy.
I'm against that shit, too.
Like that ancient Bible-y patriarchy shit, I'm not for that.
I'm kind of like, would be 90% with a lot of this shit if they didn't have such a thought crimes unit.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's the thing about this whole social justice warrior movement, is that in looking for people that have...
That have been guilty of these transgressions, they've missed a lot of allies.
They've missed people that are on their side, like you, like me, like a lot of people.
And they're trying to make assholes out of people.
And they're doing it.
The vast majority of the people that are involved in this really aggressive social justice warrior shit, they're fucking depressed, man.
They're really depressed people.
You'll go through their timeline.
It's almost without fail when I read some really ridiculous, over-the-top, hyper-aggressive social justice warrior shit.
I'll go to their fucking Twitter profile and I'll find some depressed shit.
I'll find some tweets about depression.
I'll find some tweets about how everything sucks today.
I see what's going on.
You're lashing out at the world through a legitimate cause.
kurt metzger
Well, don't take your personal thing, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
kurt metzger
And say, like, I'm every woman.
No, you're not.
joe rogan
But see, if you can find enough of those people and you get together, then you feel like you're alright.
Because you're around a bunch of other fuckheads.
You don't even need that many.
kurt metzger
You don't need that many.
That Catholic guy, what's his name?
Michael Donahue?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
kurt metzger
It's just him and, like, his cousin or something.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
Our league.
Our league.
Like, it doesn't take that much.
But it used to be, remember, it was church crazies that would write these letters.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Like, please take something off the air.
And now, it's fucking, uh, it's like young college kids.
That's insane.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, they literally just taken the exact same position that that fucking Michael, whatever the fuck his name, guy is.
I've heard that guy talk on Opie and Anthony before, the Catholic League guy.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I've heard that guy talk on Opie and Anthony and defend Catholicism.
It's like, what are you talking about?
You're mad at someone making fun of Catholicism?
It's one of the most easily made fun of religions of all time.
kurt metzger
Dude, I asked him this on that show.
I'm like, because I was a Christian.
I'm like, you know, you're supposed to rejoice when you are persecuted, right?
That's what Christ said.
They're going to persecute you like they did me, so rejoice.
So you're supposed to be happy about it because it means you're doing the right thing.
And you're not supposed to go, how dare you?
You're a Christian.
Christians turn the other cheek.
You don't fucking...
joe rogan
So what did he say to that?
kurt metzger
He just kind of ignored it.
I don't think it's about that for him.
joe rogan
It's about publicity.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's publicity and being part of a club.
It's just all football team shit everybody does.
joe rogan
And endorsements.
I mean, because they really get paid a lot of money by other Catholics who want to support Catholicism.
I have a friend who's a Catholic and he's got a lot of money and he's fucking crazy as shit.
And he has a priest come over his house.
When he buys a new house, a priest comes over and does like a fucking...
A whole seance and shit or something.
I mean, they have some sort of a thing they do.
I don't know what the fuck they call it.
It's voodoo.
It's all voodoo.
kurt metzger
No, I'm real Catholic.
joe rogan
He gives 10% of his money to church.
The whole thing's a disaster.
unidentified
Oh, he tithes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they have him involved in all sorts of church projects, and they're just sucking money out of this dude.
It's a goddamn cult.
It's 100% cult.
kurt metzger
Well, here's how I judge them.
All religions is how much does it cost, okay?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
And then does God do his own killing or do I have to do his killing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
And then my personal thing is if I have to stay in it more for my mom or my dad.
Like my religion, my mom was the reason I had to stay for a while more than my dad.
But if I was from like a harsher place, it would be like your father's honor.
You can't leave because that's like a more primitive...
That's how you know it's kind of primitive.
But if it doesn't cost that much, then fine.
And if there's no violence, once you take the violence part out of it, like nationalism or whatever, it's a lot less threatening.
It's more voluntary.
Now, the kind of shitty thing is that they will stop talking to you if you leave, right?
So you have to face being shunned or something.
I was disfellowshipped, right?
So that means a lot of my former friends can't talk to me.
Or they would be in trouble for talking to an apostate.
joe rogan
You were fellowshiped?
Disfellowshipped.
Disfellowshipped.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's like disconnection in Scientology.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
Except it's not as harsh as, you know, like I still speak to my mom, like it's not like...
joe rogan
Is she mad at you?
kurt metzger
No, not now.
She was mad initially.
joe rogan
Does she ever listen to reason that it might be horseshit?
kurt metzger
Yeah, but I don't want to fucking talk her out of her shit.
unidentified
Really?
kurt metzger
First of all, that judge has taken up a lot of slack of hanging out with my mom and listening to her shit.
Okay?
God bless that.
I don't want to lose that.
I got to pick up.
How was the soup I sent?
I don't want to have those calls.
joe rogan
Oh, Christ.
kurt metzger
I'm going to send you some $2 bills.
Like weirdo mom shit.
She called me up to tell me she's at a hotel and was going to send me and my girlfriend, they had these jelly beans in a bowl.
She's like, what's your address?
unidentified
I'm going to send you some jelly beans from this fucking bowl in the hotel lobby.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
So you bailed.
You can't talk to them anymore.
And what was the process?
Did you have to fill out paperwork?
Or did you say, oh, yo.
kurt metzger
I just stopped going.
But I think my mom wanted me to write a letter.
I'm like, I don't owe an explanation.
unidentified
A letter?
joe rogan
Like a letter to the church?
kurt metzger
A resignation.
unidentified
Wow.
kurt metzger
I'm like, I don't owe that.
I put in my time of being bored at that fucking church.
I don't owe them a letter.
Don't notice I'm gone.
joe rogan
How old were you when you wrapped it up?
kurt metzger
19. Wow.
unidentified
Oh, no, wait, maybe I was 20. That's a good time, though.
joe rogan
That 19, 20 time, just becoming a man.
Basically becoming a man.
Like you're on the door.
You're at the door.
21, you're like officially a man.
kurt metzger
I was kind of declawed, you know, before I had to go live in the world.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
That's, you know, they teach you to not be worldly.
That's what you're learning to be.
joe rogan
And how so?
kurt metzger
Like you be as babes unto the world.
Like Paul said, you have to be, you know, like when you see people that just came out of a cult, there's a certain kind of innocence to them.
So when I came out, it was always like these kind of real slutty girls that would fuck me, like real experienced girls.
And that was my appeal to them, was kind of my fucking foster kid, you know.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
I was with a lot of either a stripper or some kind of sex worker where we were foster kids together.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like you took care of each other.
kurt metzger
Yeah, they would treat me like not a John.
They'd treat me like the weird James Woods from Casino that for some reason they could never get away from this loser.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I didn't make any money for the whole fucking...
I just had girlfriends that I had to just live off of.
It was not good.
joe rogan
So this is when you first got out of the church?
kurt metzger
When I first got to New Orleans.
joe rogan
When did you start doing stand-up?
kurt metzger
In college.
joe rogan
So you went from the church to living in New York with strippers?
kurt metzger
No, first I was in Philly.
joe rogan
Okay.
kurt metzger
No, well, my girlfriend at the time in college.
joe rogan
Okay.
kurt metzger
But she's a stripper.
I met her.
And then she became like a comic.
But I was with her for maybe like six years.
unidentified
Right.
kurt metzger
But we were engaged.
But I didn't have a job.
And I refused to get a job the whole time.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
I was just a piece of shit, dude.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
kurt metzger
Because I'm like, I'm a comic.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
You just said you were a comic, that's it?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many years had you been doing it then?
kurt metzger
Not enough to do any of that.
joe rogan
A year?
Two years?
kurt metzger
No, maybe like three or four years.
joe rogan
Three or four, but you just weren't making any money yet.
kurt metzger
And then I ended up with this girl who was older than me and made kind of good money.
And she liked it better when I didn't have money.
When I started to get more shit, that put a strain because she got really upset.
unidentified
Because then you became threatening.
kurt metzger
Yeah, she didn't want me to be out of that kind of control zone.
joe rogan
Yeah, I dated a girl once and we broke up and she dated this guy and she was very specific about why she was with him.
And I go, why?
And she goes, she's never gonna fucking break up with me.
And I was like, really?
She goes, yeah.
I mean, he's great and all.
I like him.
But I'm better looking than he is.
She was really adamant about it.
kurt metzger
I was like, wow.
So fucking weird, man.
joe rogan
I was like, you engineered the control position in your relationship.
You're tired of not being in control in relationships.
Tired of men leaving you or what have you.
And you're like, this is it.
But she would get drunk and want to fuck all her ex-boyfriends.
She was just a maniac.
Which is always how that goes.
kurt metzger
One thing about my girlfriend now, I really...
It kind of upped my fucking who I am a little bit because now I would never be in another bullshit like psycho relationship like I'm just not gonna settle for that right I'll be fucking alone.
I don't give a shit right like so that kind of taught me to Because I met somebody that like I really got along with that I thought was like You know like I don't know just got me so I was like oh I don't have to be in these things anymore right because I have so low self-esteem that I'm like well this person wants to fuck me in and Stay with me.
I should stay with them.
joe rogan
It becomes one of those things where sometimes you don't even know who you are if you're in a bad relationship because the way you're reacting to this person is part of who you are.
kurt metzger
No, it makes you a different fucking person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, if you're in a good relationship and you realize, like, oh, wow, these are possible.
But until you get in one, like, some people go through their entire life birth to death without hitting gold.
They chip away at that fucking mind.
Are you digging into another Chibachu?
kurt metzger
Part of it.
joe rogan
You're a bold man.
kurt metzger
Well, I only had a quarter before.
joe rogan
You're a very, very bold man.
kurt metzger
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
Now, uh, do you feel sad when you go back home?
kurt metzger
Home to where?
My mom's house?
joe rogan
No, back home to New York, where you don't have to, uh, you can't get your weed that easy.
kurt metzger
Oh my god, dude.
joe rogan
Ari Shaffir tells me it's a nightmare.
kurt metzger
Thank god Ari sometimes has something.
I wish I could get shit like this there.
Yeah, I have to, like, hide like an animal to smoke weed.
joe rogan
Yeah, you do have to hide like an animal, right?
kurt metzger
Dude, in Seattle, I was smoking in front of a cop.
Like this ridiculous glass, like a wizard pipe.
It was a good day, officer.
It was so relaxing.
It was a pipe you would never bring outside.
joe rogan
I wonder when that's going to be the entire country.
Because like in New Orleans, apparently, you could just drink on the street.
We had a driver in New Orleans.
He was telling me once he was outside of New Orleans, he was doing something.
And he was talking to the cop, and the cop was asking him a question, and he had a beer in his hand.
And he was just talking to the cop, and he didn't realize the cop was talking to him because he had a beer in his hand.
So he finishes the beer, and then he cracks open a second one.
The cop goes, are you fucking retarded?
And the cop goes, where are you from?
And he goes, New Orleans.
And he's like, oh, okay.
Listen, dude, you can't do that shit in other places.
This is the only place where you can do that.
kurt metzger
What else happened to this definitely white man?
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
Not even a slap on the wrist.
They told him to put his beer back in the bag.
unidentified
And the timely officer asked him to cool it a little bit.
joe rogan
But you get used to that.
And, you know, if you did what you did in Seattle, in some parts of the country, they would fuck you over, man.
They would put you in a cage.
If you were in parts of Georgia, they'll fuck you over.
kurt metzger
I know, they're not cool about it in Georgia.
brian redban
Is there any places that have open container laws?
Because I remember growing up, people were like, oh, you're allowed to drink if you're not driving.
You could have it in the back seat.
And then I went to another place and did that and got in trouble for having an open container.
And they're like, no, you can't do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it used to be okay everywhere.
People used to literally have a beer in their lap when they drove around.
And so many people were crashed into each other.
They go, okay, you can't have a fucking open container.
kurt metzger
I love how long that took to fix that too, to put it together.
joe rogan
That was normal shit, man.
kurt metzger
What do you mean I can't drink while I'm driving?
joe rogan
Literally, that was normal shit a long time ago.
brian redban
In the 70s, right?
That changed in the 70s.
joe rogan
I don't know when they started incorporating drunk driving laws, and I don't know.
kurt metzger
Because a bunch of people got killed, and they didn't really have a strong...
joe rogan
No, I'm not saying I don't know why.
I said I don't know when.
kurt metzger
Oh, when.
joe rogan
And I wonder what they did.
At first, I guess, it was just testing your movement.
And then they figured out breathalyzers, and then they moved on from there.
kurt metzger
Damn.
I don't know.
I can't stand fucking drunks.
It's so annoying to deal with, like...
Because I don't really drink that much, dude.
I'm more of just like a Ponham.
joe rogan
Yeah, drunk is the worst.
I mean, potheads can absolutely be annoying, but they're not as violent and intrusive and retarded.
kurt metzger
Well, intrusive, that's the big one, the standing real close to you.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
When you're out somewhere and a drunk person just interrupts a conversation, just gets in your face and starts talking at you, and you're like, oh, God.
And if you try to avoid them, you're the asshole.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'm telling you, that's my least favorite thing.
unidentified
It's the worst drug.
joe rogan
It's the worst drug.
It's one of the worst drugs, but it's fun if you can manage it, if you can handle it correctly.
kurt metzger
I mean, get an eight ball at least and even out like a gentleman.
joe rogan
Like a gentleman.
Get an eight ball and even out like a gentleman.
kurt metzger
If you're gonna get that drunk, at least, you know, can...
joe rogan
Even out like a gentleman.
kurt metzger
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps with a...
joe rogan
I had a buddy who used to do a lot of coke, and he was to always drink 40s after he did coke.
Like, he would smoke it, and then he would, like, his heart would be like...
I used to have to take him to the liquor store and he'd buy like Old English.
You remember those bags of, you get a fucking 40 ounce of Old English.
You ever try that stuff?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's unbelievably strong.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't know.
They call it malt liquor because it's not really beer, right?
Is that the idea?
kurt metzger
I don't know.
Is that what it is?
brian redban
I think it is beer, but I think it's just made different.
It's made stronger.
Stronger.
joe rogan
What do you think the alcohol by volume is, unlike malt liquor?
brian redban
What is a Budweiser?
kurt metzger
I have no idea.
joe rogan
Well, it's different in America than it is in Canada.
In Canada, it's like 9%.
I think in the U.S., it's like 7%.
But what percentage is malt liquor?
brian redban
Did you hear what happens when you ask Siri what zero divided by zero is?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
Siri, what's zero divided by zero?
unidentified
Imagine that you have zero cookies and you split them evenly among zero friends.
How many cookies does each person get?
See, it doesn't make sense.
And Cookie Monster is sad that there are no cookies.
And you are sad that you have no friends.
kurt metzger
That's real?
joe rogan
Siri's a cunt.
Siri's such a mean bitch.
The term includes any alcoholic beverage with 5% or more alcohol by volume made with malted barley.
So, it's just another way of saying beer, I guess.
brian redban
Yeah, I used to drink Mad Dog 2020, I think it's called, and then that was my drink.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had Mad Dog 2020, that and Old English.
We were drinking those.
I watched, you ever see that movie Superfly?
brian redban
Oh yeah, back in the day.
joe rogan
Me and my friend John, when we were just starting out as comics, we got hammered on Old English and Mad Dog 2020 and those 40-ounce liquors and watched Superfly.
I remember being shocked at how strong it was.
I don't know how much Old English has.
Let's find out.
How much would you think Old English has?
brian redban
Let's go with 8%.
joe rogan
8%.
Yeah, I bet it's around that.
kurt metzger
What proof is that?
joe rogan
What is it?
That's it?
brian redban
Steel Reserve.
joe rogan
Mickey's.
kurt metzger
I used to drink Mickey's a lot.
joe rogan
Still, Steel Reserve is the motherfucker.
That's 8%.
What else?
What else is fucked up?
St. Ides.
That's 820. Natty Daddy.
unidentified
Have you had that Bud Light lime margarita?
joe rogan
No, what's that?
brian redban
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
King Cobra is only six, huh?
kurt metzger
Sounds like heartburn to me.
joe rogan
I would have thought King Cobra would be off the charts.
kurt metzger
What is King Cobra?
joe rogan
King Cobra's a malt liquor.
kurt metzger
It's a premium.
joe rogan
Six.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
I would have thought it'd be more, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I would have thought it would have fucked you up.
brian redban
Is that just because the advertising was done with that black guy from Star Wars?
Remember that?
unidentified
Billy Dee Williams.
kurt metzger
Yeah, Billy Dee Williams.
unidentified
Was he King Cobra?
Was it Cole 45?
joe rogan
No, he was Cole 45. Oh, he was Cole 45. How much does Cole 45 have?
kurt metzger
Cole 45, gravity lager.
joe rogan
Five, six...
What is 10?
Evil Eye is 10. Jesus Christ.
And Camp Black Ice.
kurt metzger
Camo Black Ice.
joe rogan
Oh, Camo.
I thought it said camp.
What the fuck, dude?
12?
Wow.
Stack high-gravity lager is 12. Oh my god.
We should get some of that and have a drunk cast.
We need to get some of that.
Stack high-gravity lager.
Jamie, you need to go to Compton and find out where they're selling that, because they don't sell that in white neighborhoods.
You need to go do some research for the show.
It's very important.
Robot dick.
kurt metzger
I know.
I can't help it.
brian redban
Do you smoke cigarettes also?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
You gave up?
kurt metzger
Yeah, I just used to.
brian redban
What nicotine level is that?
kurt metzger
Six.
unidentified
Six?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
That's better.
That is six.
I don't wake up.
joe rogan
You know, you have a unique perspective coming from a really crazy religious background like that as a comic.
Because you kind of see where the pitfalls of thinking lie because you were indoctrinated in them from a young age.
kurt metzger
I have a strong reaction to them.
Something really bugs me if I encounter it again.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that you and I share this opinion of a lot of what's going on, what people would like to call social justice warriors, that it is really kind of a religious thing.
It's a very similar thing.
It's not an even, objective approach that a lot of people are taking this thing.
It's this gang mentality, pile-on ideology.
kurt metzger
Well, there's some things I have to take Take on faith with it, that I'm not just going to take on faith, okay?
And that's really just the bottom line.
joe rogan
Yeah, taking things on faith.
Across the board is bad.
kurt metzger
I don't mind if it's a little more challenged to get my jokes over.
That just makes me better.
So I don't have a problem with that at all.
I like trying to get around that.
I think that makes it funnier.
But don't then make it like I can't work if I fuck up in the cause of trying to do that, right?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I think that a gangster movie is a legitimate art form.
The Soprano Everyone knows it's a legitimate art form.
Well, guess what?
Someone doing obviously tongue-in-cheek misogynist material is a legitimate art form as well.
You can't say that Dice Clay is not a legitimate artist.
kurt metzger
Wasn't it the thing that people just didn't know it was a character?
You think a lot of that shit against him was people didn't realize he was doing a character?
joe rogan
Of course they realized it.
They were just looking to be upset.
kurt metzger
Because I was a kid when he was out, and I remember not knowing that that was a character.
joe rogan
Well, you were a kid, though.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
If you're old enough to pay taxes, you should know Dice Clay's fucking around.
kurt metzger
I think people are dumb.
joe rogan
Big fat fucking ass!
I think he's a great artist.
kurt metzger
Well, that was because that thing with Nora Dunn, where she was like, you know, I think she's about to be off the show, so she did that stunt of not coming on, and the rest of the cast was mad at her, like, so what are we, the woman haters, because we did the show with Dice?
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
kurt metzger
That's one of the things that fucked him up.
unidentified
Whatever.
kurt metzger
That movie's great, Ford Fairlane.
I love that movie.
joe rogan
What fucked him up was there was no internet back then.
That's what fucked him up.
When you get banned from MTV like he did, you have no recourse.
There's nothing to do.
kurt metzger
Oh, you're right.
He could have been on the fucking internet.
joe rogan
Well, they can blackball you.
They could back then.
They can't really blackball you anymore.
Because you go, all right, I'm starting the Dice Clay Podcast!
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Over here with the mic!
kurt metzger
I like that he has an album of him bombing.
Oh, it's one of the best albums.
And it's Rick Rubin fucking produced it.
That's a great fucking album.
joe rogan
And he called it The Day the Laughter Die.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
It's a very interesting thing that I have never...
What other comic has that?
joe rogan
It's a two-disc set.
It's just two discs.
brian redban
Never heard that.
joe rogan
It's great.
It's awful, though.
He's bombing.
This guy gets up in the middle of his set, and he goes, You're about as funny as a glass of milk.
Ha!
Guys, because he wasn't announced and he showed up at Dangerfields, which is, you know, one of the dingiest little clubs in New York City.
kurt metzger
It looks like where Count Jocula was buried.
joe rogan
That club doesn't make any sense, because it's named after one of the all-time great stand-up comedians, and it's always filled with hacks, and it's empty most of the time.
But there was a few great comics that worked there, like Otto and George.
I did sets there with Otto and George during the prom season, when they would rotate the people in one after the other after the other.
So there was always a few comics, but there was also a few that were hanging around there that didn't work anywhere else.
It was like the Comedy Store in the 90s, when the Comedy Store had these You're right.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I remember that.
I remember like the very last of them.
Remember Nancy?
Fuck, she was a host there.
She was nice.
She had a bow tongue.
joe rogan
Very nice.
What the hell was her name?
kurt metzger
It was Nancy something.
I know she was like a holdover from the old debt of that crew.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
kurt metzger
She told me how to get like health insurance if you couldn't, didn't, you know.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Did you ever meet Bobby?
Was Bobby gone by the time you got there?
kurt metzger
Who's he?
joe rogan
Bobby was the big Scottish guy that was a doorman?
kurt metzger
No, Chario was there.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
kurt metzger
By the way, there's no, like, you know, the comedy clubs that have, like, hot waitresses.
It was just all old men, like a fucking steakhouse.
joe rogan
With tuxedos.
Like, steakhouse tuxedos on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that's how Bobby was and Bobby was his giant power lifter and he used to have a he'd have to have like some ridiculous Seen, you know, they would have to like tailor his shit because he was a mountain of a man He was only about 5'8", but he was probably about 230 pounds.
He was fucking enormous Just big dick fucking tank of a guy and he would literally grab people by their neck and pick them up Like lift them up and carry them out.
I saw him do it He just grabbed this guy carried about he was funnier than any of the comedians Oh, yeah.
He was hilarious.
And he was, right before you go on stage, he goes, I guess you're gonna go try to trick him with that bag of shite act of yours.
And like, you would kill.
And he goes, look at that.
You tricked another group of assholes.
But he was funny when he was saying it.
kurt metzger
Right, right.
joe rogan
He was fucking with you, but he was funny.
And he knew who was good and who was bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he wasn't shy on letting you know.
He was a funny dude, man.
Worked that club for a long-ass time.
Do you go there and do you do spots still?
kurt metzger
I had, uh, you know, I was like mad and was like vowed I would never go back there.
unidentified
Why?
kurt metzger
And I think they even forgot I told them never call me because they've just called me like, are you around for once?
Like, that's how much it didn't matter, my little stand.
joe rogan
What was the standover?
kurt metzger
I can't remember, dude.
There's some shit where, fuck, I don't remember, but I was like furious about it.
I can't remember.
joe rogan
That's a club that should be revived.
If it's still around, God, you gotta make sure that place doesn't go under.
That's a magic room.
The way that room is set up and built.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I used to like playing there, and it was good to get a half-hour spot somewhere, you know?
joe rogan
It's a great room.
It's a great room.
It's just, it was always just managed in a very bizarre way.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
I do, uh...
joe rogan
But it's so iconic.
kurt metzger
I guess I mostly like the stand and like cellar.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be amazing.
Stan's great.
I hear a lot of great things about that place.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I fucking love it.
And then the cellar and then stand up New York.
I'm mad a lot.
joe rogan
You know, Dangerfields was where they did an actual Dangerfield special from that place.
I think it was the one with Kinison.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
God damn, what a club.
That's funny.
That was like one of the early specials that was in a comedy club.
You know, instead of a big giant theater.
And it's one of the best ones, too.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's a classic one, dude.
joe rogan
Fuck, yeah.
That's a real classic one.
Did you ever get a chance to see Rodney Dangerfield perform?
kurt metzger
Never, dude.
He was dead by the time I got there.
joe rogan
Have you seen any of the old-time greats?
Have you ever seen any of them?
kurt metzger
I mean, I've watched Rodney doing his stand-up.
You mean in person, right?
joe rogan
Did you see Carlin at all?
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Never in person.
joe rogan
Never in person.
kurt metzger
I fucking missed Rickles, too, last time I was in Montreal.
I wanted to go see Rickles.
joe rogan
Oh, he's still performing, huh?
kurt metzger
Yeah, I asked to be on too many shows.
I'm never doing that again.
joe rogan
Montreal?
kurt metzger
Yeah, because I want to go see some other shit.
I keep thinking I want to do spots, you know, and then I just have too many and it's not as fun.
joe rogan
Well, if you have a lot in a nice place like Montreal, you're not going to get to explore the city, too.
That's a whole other world, that city.
kurt metzger
I like it there, man.
The summer is great.
joe rogan
I love it there.
It's a whole other world though.
I mean, that is a French-speaking international city that's just above Maine.
It doesn't make any goddamn sense.
Because Maine is like desolate, wasteland, fucking trees, dudes with coonskin hats, looking at you from behind a fucking bush.
Where are you from?
You're not from around here, y'all.
Everybody in Stephen King books, you know, that's all based on Maine.
kurt metzger
Yeah, they've inspired more horror stories with their faces than any other people.
joe rogan
I've never been in a place where you make fun of the state and people go more fucking angry.
kurt metzger
Oh, do they get mad?
joe rogan
They get furious.
They call them maniacs.
kurt metzger
Dude, strongest weed I ever had I got in Maine from some hick.
What?
joe rogan
I take that as a goddamn challenge.
kurt metzger
Dude, and if I could ever find him again, it was like a dense fucking bud that almost smelled like a car freshener.
It wasn't like a delicious weed smell.
unidentified
Really?
kurt metzger
And it was so fucking strong.
And we were not prepared for how strong it was at all.
I'd like to smoke it again because I have a different palate now, but we were all like...
Out of our minds from this weed.
joe rogan
Well, couldn't you think that if you were a dude living in some in the middle of nowhere town in a place like Maine, you could be like some crazy hacker guy who makes his own computers and designs his own drones and shit like that?
You could see some mad scientist dude living by himself like that out there, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah, why?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, couldn't you see a mad botanist too?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
I could totally see that as well.
I could totally see some crazy fuck that's out there.
kurt metzger
I got the impression it was some wild ass, you know, he planted it in the woods with traps around it kind of weed, you know?
That's how they do.
They go out in the woods and make their little stet grows and booby trap them.
joe rogan
Yeah, that makes sense.
But it also makes sense that someone in this day and age, how long ago was it you got this weed?
kurt metzger
Shit, a while ago.
Over ten years ago at least.
joe rogan
Well, since 1994, they've had medical marijuana in California, I think, in 1994. So from then on, it's been pretty commensurate.
I mean, I don't think it's gotten much stronger.
I had some weed in the late 90s.
I've had weed that's just as strong as the shit you're getting today.
So if some guy got it to him, you know, 2005, somebody got it to him, all the way up in Maine, he just starts growing it, that's totally feasible.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Well, maybe just sprayed it with, like, bug spray or something.
unidentified
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Just pissed on it.
He eats a lot of vitamins.
Get vitamin piss.
kurt metzger
I need my Vita shot today.
joe rogan
My point was, that's a very loosely populated state.
And there's a couple cool cities, like Bangor's a cool city, and Portland's a cool city.
But you go north of that, and there's virtually nothing.
There's just really, really small towns of people barely eking by.
And north of that is this incredible fucking city.
It's nuts.
Just keep going.
unidentified
After you get past the wildlings and you get to the fence.
joe rogan
You gotta climb the fence.
brian redban
It's so weird that you guys are talking about Portland.
I'm actually planning all these places right now.
joe rogan
You're probably talking about Portland, Oregon.
I'm talking about Portland, Maine.
brian redban
No, Portland, Maine.
joe rogan
You're gonna go to Portland, Maine?
brian redban
Portland, Maine, Somerville, Massachusetts.
joe rogan
Oh, Somerville, yeah.
Summer!
brian redban
Rhode Island.
joe rogan
Somerville.
What are we doing in Rhode Island?
unidentified
Estonia.
joe rogan
You doing the Comic Connection?
That's a great spot.
I used to do that.
It's a bank vault.
If it's the same location.
It used to be literally a bank vault.
The green room for a comedian was the vault.
The place was a bank.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
But it was terrible.
The one thing about it that was terrible was that you had these giant ceilings.
Because it was like a bank.
kurt metzger
Oh, right.
joe rogan
But you were on stage in a bank.
I mean, it used to be a bank.
And it was like a bank parking lot.
I got the worst food poisoning of my life in that place.
Like in the year two, not even, 99 or something like that.
I don't even know what year it was.
kurt metzger
What'd you eat that poisoned you?
joe rogan
A pizza.
Ugh.
brian redban
You know when you eat sushi and you get poisoning?
It's usually not the fish because they have to freeze the fish first.
It's usually the rice.
That rice is a...
joe rogan
It's people's hands.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They say that about a salad.
That salad is one of the worst things that people get food poisoning from.
Imagine that.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trying to be all healthy.
Like, I don't want to eat your toxic meat.
I'll sit here and eat my microbe-infested lettuce.
But Montreal, if you go, it's counterintuitive.
Because if you were headed north and you went all through New York and into Massachusetts and you got up to Maine, you'd be like, okay, we've got to turn around.
There's nothing up here.
kurt metzger
There's nothing up here.
joe rogan
But if you just kept going, you'd be like, whoa, this is better than Boston.
This is a magical city.
This is beautiful.
There are different languages.
kurt metzger
This is crazy.
joe rogan
Not better than Boston.
But it's similar.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
I love it there.
joe rogan
No, Montreal's a shit.
Toronto's a shit, too.
kurt metzger
You have a good time in Toronto, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like a big city, but they're nice.
Weird.
kurt metzger
The crowds are good, I think.
See, Canadian kind of PC people are different, because you know what it is?
They'll hear you out.
All my jokes are overly wordy, too, so you gotta, like, hear me out before you get mad or it's not gonna work.
But they're Canadian, so their attention span is just, like, longer.
And when I fuck up here, it's because somebody was half-listening and just heard a word and didn't know what I was saying.
Outrage attack!
Dude, a girl dumped a drink on me at the cellar.
joe rogan
Why?
kurt metzger
It's on my hour.
I don't know.
White Precious is a joke about gay marriage.
joe rogan
On the hour?
kurt metzger
No, no, no.
But it's on my hour, if you listen to my hour.
But she goes...
At the beginning of the thing, I asked if there were for a gay marriage.
And I go, because I'm against it.
That's why I brought it up.
And this is the first line.
But if you listen to the joke, it's clearly a pro gay marriage joke.
But she just ran up, grabbed some other guy's drink.
It wasn't her drink.
She picked up a dude's drink in front of her and doused me with it.
And then they're starting to pull her out.
I'm like, whoa, why?
Why did you do that?
unidentified
And she's like, you're against gay marriage?
kurt metzger
Isn't that crazy?
First of all, the joke was pro that, and then also...
joe rogan
What was the joke?
kurt metzger
It's about why we can't have it here, because, you know, we have a constitution God gave us, and like, you know, we lose his protection.
Like, he watches your holes, you know?
Like a diamond loop.
unidentified
Let's see what they're up to.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that.
No more protection for you.
So, what did she say?
kurt metzger
Because I'm against gay marriage.
joe rogan
Right, but did you explain to her that you were going, this is a satire?
kurt metzger
No, the bouncers threw her out.
I was trying to make her stay, actually, so I could.
It was so, like, shocking that it happened, I wasn't, like, mad.
joe rogan
But that's exactly what we're talking about.
We're talking about people that have a black or a white.
There's a, you know, there's a...
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'm not proud of you for that.
That's why we all supposedly hated George W., for his moral certitude.
joe rogan
Exactly.
kurt metzger
So I don't want to hear yours.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially not in satire.
Especially not when you're going to see a comedy show.
kurt metzger
I'm above the law is how I, my attitude towards comedy.
Whatever the fucking social norm is, I'm above that.
That's why I took this job.
I took this job to not do what you do.
I don't work at your fucking office, so I don't have to clean it up.
Like we're at the office.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
But people think that that's the way you're supposed to think and talk all the time because they're forced into it.
unidentified
Because they all think they can do it.
kurt metzger
They all think they're comics too.
Jon Stewart said that.
That like, you know, people playing music, that's magical to people.
And painting, that's magic.
But everyone thinks they're a comedian.
They all think they are.
So that's why they feel qualified to tell you.
joe rogan
Well, because they talk.
They don't see it as being much different.
You're talking, and they're talking.
unidentified
People used to say about Stern, they'd be like, oh, I can do our Sterns.
kurt metzger
You just gotta talk about pussy.
You know, like that attitude?
That's what they think it is.
So when they talk about mean jokes, they're not thinking of someone crafting something clever.
They're thinking of, oh, you're a lesbian.
Like, in their head, that's the same as a joke.
We don't even agree on what jokes are, but to even have that argument about that.
joe rogan
Well, it seems easier than it really is.
It seems like you're just a guy who's talking.
The thing about...
It does, right?
It does.
kurt metzger
That's what I thought.
I thought it was real fucking easy before I did it.
joe rogan
I thought that, too, even about podcasting.
Yeah, I thought that.
Podcasting also made me really understand and appreciate conversations.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because conversations are like a little dance between...
Robot Dick.
You hear that sound?
Yeah.
Conversations are a little dance between people.
There's a give and a ten.
There's an art to do.
People don't always sync up that good with it.
Sometimes people are...
It's awkward with some folks.
It's an art form, though.
kurt metzger
Dude, I didn't realize how radio...
Like, it's the same as, like, comedy when I start to have to be on people's radio shows and I realize there's, like, a thing to it.
Like, what I just always assumed.
Fuck.
joe rogan
There's definitely a thing to being entertaining when you're having a long-form conversation.
You know, the people that think it would be easy to keep a conversation going have never done it.
kurt metzger
Dude, what's the comedian's name?
I'm so high.
What's the comedian's name that just passed away from the last Boy Scout?
He was on my show twice.
joe rogan
Last Boy Scout?
kurt metzger
Yeah, he's from Punchline.
The guy going, out of your rug.
joe rogan
I have no idea who you're talking about.
A comedian just passed away?
kurt metzger
Yeah, he's my friend.
I'm doing so high.
I'm blanking.
He came on the show twice.
Fucking...
joe rogan
What did he do?
kurt metzger
He's like in everything in the 80s.
He's in all these 80s movies.
joe rogan
Not Rick Dookerman.
kurt metzger
No, he's kind of swarthy.
joe rogan
Swarthy.
kurt metzger
Hold on, I'm going to look him up right now.
joe rogan
You know who it is, Jamie?
kurt metzger
Yeah, Taylor.
joe rogan
Taylor Negron.
Fuck.
kurt metzger
These are strong.
That guy, so he came on my podcast twice.
That guy was so fucking good.
Like, that's all where I know him from, coming on there.
He would just wait for his part to jump in, and then he had something funny and interesting to say.
And he'd jump out.
And it was just amazing.
Like, he would just dance in, and it was never in somebody's way, and it was always worth, like, paying attention to.
Like, I thought he was, like, really killer.
joe rogan
He was a good dude, too.
I used to always run into him at the improv.
Very, very nice guy.
Very fun guy.
kurt metzger
Yeah, he was one of the coolest guys.
I only met him, like, briefly, but, like, I really liked him, and I really wanted him to come back.
I had no idea he had cancer or anything.
joe rogan
Hmm.
unidentified
Hoo!
joe rogan
Somehow or another, it's better than suicide.
You know, that's the bummer when a guy like Robin Williams, Richard Jenny, somehow or another, that to me is like, God damn it, somebody didn't get to those dudes in time, you know?
kurt metzger
Well, it's got to be some kind of mental illness, right?
Because you're supposed to be wired not to do that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, 100%.
unidentified
Depression.
kurt metzger
I hate saying wired, by the way.
Everybody says wired.
joe rogan
Where's my wires?
kurt metzger
Like the internet is tubes.
It's the same level of stupid.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
kurt metzger
The way we're wired.
joe rogan
It's not tubes?
What is it?
There are tubes.
I mean, there's something that goes across the ocean, which is new to me.
brian redban
Tubes and tunnels.
joe rogan
Fiber optic tubes.
I didn't know they had to lay lines across the entire fucking actual ocean.
I was like, wait a minute.
I thought we were Wi-Fi by now.
That's ridiculous.
But that's how we connect to the other parts of the world.
They have a tube.
unidentified
Right.
It's a wire.
kurt metzger
It is a series of tubes.
joe rogan
Essentially.
But if you ask the average person who uses the internet to put up Instagram pics of their ass, how exactly is this getting to Sweden?
Because someone in Sweden right now is downloading your Instagram feed.
Someone is looking at your butt pictures while you're doing squats on the other side of Africa.
kurt metzger
Is that like a Snapchat thing, putting your butt up like that?
I thought Snapchat's fat to get you to dig up and then it goes away after a few minutes.
joe rogan
Well, Snapchat does, but Instagram, there's girls that have literally millions and millions of followers, and they're just girls in yoga pants.
And all they do all day is like squat.
kurt metzger
That's my new porn search, dude.
unidentified
Take pictures of their ass.
kurt metzger
That was the new porn search I've been using, yoga pants.
joe rogan
That's the porn search?
unidentified
That's the term?
kurt metzger
That's my new one and my dead soul of having to find something to amuse me.
joe rogan
Ha ha ha.
kurt metzger
What will make my dick do anything?
joe rogan
New shit to jack off to.
kurt metzger
Yoga pants.
joe rogan
There's something about a girl who's really spiritual that still wants to fuck.
Guys get very excited.
Plus, it's tight, so it kind of compresses the ass.
kurt metzger
Well, the pants could be really...
They always rip the pants open.
joe rogan
Ooh, crazy.
Like, violent.
kurt metzger
It's a little bit.
joe rogan
Consent?
kurt metzger
I think so.
joe rogan
May I rip your pants open, or does this disgust?
I think it's important, because I'm not jerking off to rape.
kurt metzger
I mean, she doesn't turn her face away from it.
She dives right into it.
joe rogan
I don't think that's consent.
I don't think you understand consent.
You're a part of the problem.
kurt metzger
90% of communication is non-verbal, is how I feel about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you are cisgendered, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
kurt metzger
Dude, fuck yeah, Sam.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
You're cisgendered.
So you're therefore privileged.
Do you not apologize for your very existence?
kurt metzger
Well, that's like the original sin now, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
kurt metzger
That's your new fucking sin.
joe rogan
Well, amongst a very small percentage of the people.
kurt metzger
Isn't that crazy to go that full circle to, like, trying to get away from the circumstances of your birth, and now it's fully that now?
Like, first we judge you by what your category is before you say anything.
joe rogan
Yes.
kurt metzger
So now two different things.
It's different if he says it than you said it.
joe rogan
Well, it's like that video that you were listening to that Jamie was doing, where you, on the Opie and Anthony show, that was telling you about it, where it's like, that's what you guys are like, mocking that very thing.
kurt metzger
Right, right, right.
unidentified
His videos are the best, dude.
kurt metzger
God, the amazing tone as if he's like patiently talking to a fucking waterhead child.
joe rogan
Explaining to you how you should react.
kurt metzger
Okay, guys!
That's the entire sense of humor they have, too.
It's like, you know, someone raising one eyebrow over their glasses at you.
Really?
That's their little like, like a polite, like a disdain or a...
I don't know how to describe it.
That's like nerd.
A contemptuous nerd is the new kind of sense of humor.
joe rogan
But there's a big audience for that.
kurt metzger
Yeah, for like eye-rolling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
That's like just professional eye-rolling.
joe rogan
You ever heard Patton Oswalt?
Patton Oswalt has some great joke about an altercation that happens in a Starbucks in Los Feliz where he says you could barely hear the Nora Jones song from the sound of the eye rolling.
unidentified
That's such a great describe.
It's a great description of reality.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
That is so fucking funny.
But it's like that attitude, man.
It's like, you know, it's all duh.
This is duh.
Are you talking to five-year-olds?
Because you should need to have a kid.
Have a kid and teach a kid about life.
kurt metzger
They think they are, dude.
But that's what we were talking about.
And also, I don't know how they're confusing the role of comedy.
Like comedy, I guess it can be a tool for whatever.
It can be that.
It's not what it is.
You're not Batman with this.
You're the Joker.
Batman is serious.
You're a comedian.
You're not trying to do good.
You're trying to show Batman not to take shit so seriously.
joe rogan
Or if you are trying to, you should have a real point.
Like, hey, here's something I found out about that you need to know.
If you mix this drug with that drug, it will fucking kill you, my friend's dead.
kurt metzger
Or you could take your points and put them in joke form, which is what your actual job is.
You're not supposed to just come and go, my sister's anti-gay and I think that's wrong.
Great job, Jamie.
You fucking really...
joe rogan
Does he do that, though?
kurt metzger
He did that on fucking Conan.
What is something he was on?
It's just like not a joke.
It's just him fucking preaching.
brian redban
Didn't he retire though?
He's done, right?
joe rogan
He's done with Cassandra?
brian redban
I heard he retired.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Somebody tweeted.
joe rogan
It might just be temporary.
What's he gonna do for money then?
kurt metzger
It's the same radio.
joe rogan
But did he try to get you fired?
kurt metzger
No, but he like threw in his own like, yeah, something, but it was mainly that one girl whose name I don't mention.
Good for you.
joe rogan
Good for you.
kurt metzger
But uh...
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I just hate comics turning on each other like that over jokes.
It's like the idea that you're pretending you don't know that a guy's fucking around and that that's an art.
There's an art form to go in to see a guy who's saying things you absolutely know he doesn't really believe.
kurt metzger
Well, look, I've had that fight already with fucking, you know, and the bottom line is everything's propaganda.
I remember this whole mindset, dude.
Everything is like...
unidentified
From church.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know the mindset.
Like, what kind of world are you working for with these jokes, Joe?
I mean, think about that, you know?
Like, we weren't supposed to stumble...
I was talking about on Maren's show, the fucking...
Like, you couldn't stumble your brother out of Christianity.
That was like a big no-no in my church.
So...
joe rogan
Stumble your brother?
kurt metzger
Yeah, like, let's say you had some doubts about something that you heard in, like, doctrine, and you said it to Brother Rogan, and Brother Rogan was like, yeah, that sounds like bullshit.
I'm leaving this church.
You stumbled him out of the faith with your shit.
You were supposed to humbly just assume that whatever it is will get worked out and not really make a stink about it, even if you didn't agree with something.
You go like, well, they know what's for the best.
That's actively you're supposed to do that, okay?
So these people are the same thing.
By you making some crass joke about something that's serious, that people don't take seriously enough, you're contributing.
You understand?
The same way hip-hop is making young black men because of the hip-hop are fucking...
It's the same fucking argument.
Or how Dungeons& Dragons is encouraging the suicide.
It's an old argument.
joe rogan
Does anybody really say that?
kurt metzger
What?
joe rogan
The Dungeons and Dragons.
kurt metzger
Don't you remember that in the 80s?
Dungeons and Dragons leads to suicide, demonism, and fucking...
There's always a thing that you gotta blame.
I'm telling you, jokes, one way or another, are never gonna affect anything for anything.
Like, don't worry about the jokes.
You know the people who think Bush got elected because of SNL's portrayal of Bush versus their portrayal of gore?
I've heard people, oh, what's his name, who was on, Horatio Sanz said it.
He thought the election got affected by Will Ferrell doing Bush.
You know how condescending that is?
I think he's funny, too, like, I'm not against him, but that's the most, that's how they think.
They're so condescending, they imagine people were swayed by Saturday Night Live, and people are so stupid that they need their gentle fucking lefty hands.
Do you understand?
joe rogan
Yeah, but hold on a second, because you're talking to me from a guy who used to be a fucking Jehovah's Witness, so So you're talking about an entire religion that believes unbelievably retarded nonsense.
Well, it's the Bible.
But you're surprised that a portrayal by someone of a president could influence people that watch television?
kurt metzger
I don't think anyone switched their vote because they saw jokes about...
joe rogan
I think it's very possible that there's a tipping point.
I don't think they're responsible.
I don't think the person's responsible.
Look, people are retarded, dude.
kurt metzger
I don't think you could sway someone who was...
People who voted for Bush were into that ideology.
It's the same as these lefties.
You wouldn't joke them out of believing in the shit they believe.
joe rogan
The dumbest outliers, it's possible.
I think if you could talk someone into being a Scientologist, you could talk someone into voting for anybody.
kurt metzger
Here's what I'll say to that.
If you're that fucking stupid, you probably didn't make it out to vote.
I'd be willing to bet you didn't make it out to vote.
joe rogan
But the problem is, stupid people are often very motivated.
andy stumpf
That's what you see with the Westboro Baptist Church.
kurt metzger
They're crazy.
They're not stupid.
They're crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, they're dumb.
That Fred Phelps guy was dumb.
kurt metzger
He was a lawyer.
He was a civil rights attorney.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was still an idiot.
He was socially retarded.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but that's not the same as stupid.
That's a different kind of...
That's like an almost willful, I don't have to be stupid, but I am.
joe rogan
Well, he's smart enough to memorize all the shit that you needed to learn to become a lawyer.
kurt metzger
I love them, too.
First of all, he was a civil rights lawyer.
He fought for the right, and he got major breakthroughs for black people.
I look it up, he did something really nice.
Dude, the best part of this is, yeah, it's weird they concentrate on this one rule, but they're just saying what's in the Bible.
That's my favorite part.
Because all these people out there think, no, you can moderate.
You always see that moderate shit.
So I have news for you.
If you're a moderate, that means you're not in it.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
You're full of shit, okay?
The people that are really doing it are the extreme ones.
It's not a part-time thing.
So that's why I don't do it anymore, because I'm not going to half-ass do it.
So I like those people that, because literally the Bible says only a few people are going to survive.
That's why America's not Christian.
If America, we were all Christian, we wouldn't be Christian.
Automatically, it's built in.
Only a small few find the cramped and narrow road leading to eternal life.
And the road leading to destruction is massive, and that's where most of the people go.
So they think they're those few that are on the cramped road, much like a virgin butthole should be.
joe rogan
So really the idea of a Christian nation is impossible.
kurt metzger
Yeah!
I don't know what Bible people are reading.
Your cave Jew dum-dum book, do you not look at it?
joe rogan
That's the same people that tattoo Bible verses on your body.
Like, dude, you gotta read the whole book.
kurt metzger
Oh, dude, I watched some fucking...
unidentified
It says not to do that.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
I watched some redneck go...
Well, we're not under that law anymore.
I watched some redneck on something go, uh, yeah, I was...
I'm Christian, so I was raised to fight what I believe in.
I mean, it's the exact opposite of being Christian, you fucking dickhead.
joe rogan
Well, people pick and choose.
They pick and choose what kind of Bible stuff they like.
kurt metzger
Yeah, they do, don't they?
Yeah, they certainly do.
unidentified
They love to.
brian redban
It's like divorce.
You're supposed to stone the woman if you get a divorce, you know, if the woman leaves you or whatever.
kurt metzger
No, no, that's for adultery.
There's a lot of terrible fucking shit in there.
But listen, a lot of it, you can absolutely justify with it was for the time, was somewhat progressive.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Right?
Yeah.
When you talk about, okay, you can own slaves.
Like, well, it wasn't the kind of slavery we had.
And at the time, they were nicer about slavery.
Like, okay, that's fine, but you're telling me that this book's exceptional.
So why aren't they in the future?
Like, if the one true God invented this shit, it should be like, oh, way ahead of its time.
We're like, we're the ones that don't have slaves, because we have the one true God.
Why isn't it like that?
Because I'm supposed to have them judging.
I'm supposed to, before I just do anything, imagine one of them, like one of the prophets is alive watching me.
What if Moses were here?
What would he think of what I'm doing?
I'm supposed to do that as a Christian.
But I'm not supposed to judge Moses for his shitty shit, right?
joe rogan
Moses was a killer.
kurt metzger
I never killed anybody, Moses, and also I don't have slaves, so you could save your judgment on my fucking, you know?
joe rogan
Well, just a few hundred years ago, if you go back and read some of the stuff, like Lincoln.
We read this passage by Lincoln the other day on the podcast.
kurt metzger
Oh, I love those passages.
joe rogan
They're crazy racist.
kurt metzger
I want them in the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland.
I want Lincoln to be like, I am not advocating equality for the Negroes.
joe rogan
Well, I'll just say, not wanting them to, they shouldn't be allowed to vote, they shouldn't be allowed to hold office, or be able to intermarry with whites.
This was all him in a debate.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but that's his compromising to try to make.
It's like his Obamacare.
It's not a perfect solution, but we had to do something.
That's what that shit is.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
I guess back then, as we're saying, that was probably super radical progressive for the time.
kurt metzger
I was fighting with Gavin on, you know Gavin, right?
Gavin McGinnis?
joe rogan
I know who he is.
I don't know him.
kurt metzger
So we're on Twitter talking about slavery.
I love his fucking...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I saw you guys going back and forth.
kurt metzger
Slavery's not that bad.
Or that the Civil War's not about slavery.
There would be no Civil War if there had been no slavery.
They wouldn't have gone to war over cotton tariffs.
They could have worked that out.
Black dick on the loose was, trust me, a big fucking factor.
And if you took it out, no war, absolutely.
joe rogan
So black dick on the loose, you feel?
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Of course!
You think you're gonna free all these slaves we've been beaten, and they're gonna be just like us, and they're gonna be fucking our kids?
joe rogan
Well, don't you think that the biggest fear was that they would lose the economic impact of having slaves?
kurt metzger
Well, absolutely!
joe rogan
That was what they were fighting for, right?
kurt metzger
That's your rich man's motive for fighting.
The poor man's motive is...
It's like, uh-oh, now the blacks are coming for mine.
That's my one thing I have more...
It's a very simple fucking thing.
But they always gotta soft sell it like, no, there was more to the...
Like, let's say there's no slavery.
The Confederacy still sucked.
You're still fucking traitors.
It's not like if you fucking...
joe rogan
How are they traitors?
kurt metzger
Trying to split up the union over some bullshit.
joe rogan
Right, but why should they give in to the fucking whims of the North?
The North are their fucking cities.
That's what essentially was going on, too.
That was a big part of what was happening back then.
There was two different lifestyles.
The North, which was about, like, cities.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then there was the South that was like agriculture.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And when they were saying, like, you know, oh, it's about economics, well...
Yeah, you have a bunch of people that are working for free, and they would like to be paid, and you want to keep paying them nothing.
kurt metzger
Did you know, Rogan, that would have just ended on its own?
joe rogan
Yeah, eventually.
kurt metzger
You know, people would give up having free labor.
joe rogan
Who said that about Brazil?
Who said that about Brazil, that Brazil did it without killing $600?
kurt metzger
This fucking guy.
I go, listen, was Hiroshima necessary?
Then the Civil War was necessary, okay?
If you're going to justify dropping the atom bomb, which I do, then yeah, 600. If I'm a slave, if I'm ever a slave, by all means, kill half a million Southerners until I'm free.
unidentified
By all means.
kurt metzger
I'm willing to sacrifice them for me to not be a slave.
So this guy, it's like, it's all this shit that's easy for you to say if you're not a slave.
That's the bottom fucking line.
And they just won't put themselves in those shoes ever.
It's gotta be like the ultimate, shut up black people.
That's the whole fucking point of that flag.
We don't care if it bothers you.
You'll never get that from us.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird pride thing.
It's like, what exactly are you proud of?
You lost a war where you were trying to separate from the people that didn't want slavery?
Is it you're proud of the spot where you were born, which you had no control over?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Well, dude, I don't even understand flags.
You know, I couldn't salute the flag when I was growing up.
joe rogan
You couldn't?
kurt metzger
No.
You weren't allowed to?
We're neutral in all politics, if you're a Jehovah's Witness.
You don't get involved in politics.
joe rogan
So you don't vote at all?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I don't give a shit what Satan's system of things does.
It's going to be all wiped out.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
kurt metzger
But anyway, so I never got attached to a flag like that.
Like, I never understood.
Like, I've never felt that feeling of, like, a flag.
Even though now I'm, like, I'm way into America, but I couldn't ever, like, just be into a flag.
There's something so gross about that.
joe rogan
Well, it is kind of gross, and it's gross just by way of all definitions that are, like, confining.
Like, if you confine yourself, like, now I'm American, this fucking Mexican's trying to come over here to our land.
Imagine if you were saying, hey, man, I'm from California, and those fuckers from Nevada trying to come over to California, we're going to kill them.
No, you go over to Nevada, and there's just other Americans.
You're like, hey, how you doing?
But if you go right instead of left, all of a sudden you're in a place where people look exactly the fucking same!
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's not good for you.
joe rogan
You can go into a ton of Mexicans in Nevada.
And they're like, hey, what's up, brother?
What are you doing, man?
What's going on?
Everything's cool.
Everything's normal.
You talk to them like, they're your friends.
They're fellow Americans.
Go right, and then they're the, what, the enemy?
What are they?
Are they an ally?
They can't come over here?
kurt metzger
Well, people don't seem to realize that Whatever immigrants it is, it's not like if they learn English, but if their kids learn English or something.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, do you have Ann Coulteron?
kurt metzger
Yeah, but she, you know, I was surprised because she fest, because I go, my whole thing is, can you just go to wherever who is hiring illegals and go, let's see everyone's paperwork.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
And then penalize the company for doing that.
And then problem solved.
There's no more jobs for them.
And she's like, yeah, no, the corporations are one of the biggest promoters of it.
So, Bill Maher made a good point.
He's like, you should have called the book that.
You know, how corporations are fucking it up because people are just going to dismiss your points now because you just blamed it on the...
Why blame the...
Why would I not come here and try to get a job if I needed one?
Why would I not?
joe rogan
That's just a radical hot-button topic, though.
Blaming it on immigrants.
Like, people love doing that because it's a good thing to get people on your side.
There's, like, a few key components.
You're not going to touch my guns.
You know, fucking immigration is ruining this country.
It's a fine country.
We've got to worry about the...
We've got porous borders.
kurt metzger
It's such an eternal argument, man.
It sounds so Bill the Butcher when they're throwing potatoes at Irish people coming off the boat, you know?
It sounds just like that.
Like, you just sound like the same shit.
People all want the same shit.
They want to have, like, the fucking middle class home and all that.
And you can see it.
Every fucking race that comes here that gets to that level, they kind of just live like TV sitcom people.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Exactly.
kurt metzger
That's what most people...
There's only a few of them where they try to fucking set themselves apart.
And they're mostly white cuckoo religions.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's real hard when you try to see...
Robot dick again.
That thing's distracting as fuck.
I like how you lean back.
Don't you still hear it though in your ears?
You must know.
kurt metzger
Oh, it's soothing me.
joe rogan
Did you ever try the gum?
kurt metzger
I don't like the gum.
I just like getting bigger, darker objects to put into my mouth.
joe rogan
Dude, they gave us one that was so stupid.
Do we still have that stupid thing around here, Jamie?
It's in the back.
Leave it back there.
They gave me a...
You've seen that one.
brian redban
Yeah, it looks like a lightsaber.
joe rogan
It looks retarded.
It literally looks like a weapon.
kurt metzger
I know, they construct them themselves like lightsabers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was huge.
It was huge.
You had to refill it, though.
Every, like...
Ten hits or something.
Yeah.
You do that, you squirt into the cotton and everything?
What are you doing there?
kurt metzger
I don't use cotton.
It's a mess every time I do it.
I need some tissue.
I have an eyedropper as shit.
Now the battery ran out, so I got a spare battery in his car.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you're a junkie!
kurt metzger
Yeah, but it's not like killing me how cigarettes were killing me.
I mean, cigarettes were killing me, man.
I could feel it.
It was horrible.
joe rogan
You could feel it like eating away at your health?
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
So I don't feel like that no more.
joe rogan
Brian, how long have you been off now?
brian redban
I think three weeks?
joe rogan
I'm proud of you, dude.
That's really strong.
That's very strong.
I'm glad you made it that far, man.
Just keep going.
You think you're free now?
brian redban
Yeah, I'm just bored.
joe rogan
Yeah, but do you think you're free where you'll stop smoking from now on?
brian redban
Yeah, seems like it.
joe rogan
I really hope so, dude.
I used to- I really worried about you.
I was like, I'm gonna get the call one day from that guy, and he's gonna say I have cancer.
And I'm like, I can't even tell you.
I tried to get you to quit for ten fucking years.
brian redban
Yeah, I was up to two packs also.
kurt metzger
I know.
joe rogan
It's that store, dude.
It's the goddamn store.
Everybody smokes there.
kurt metzger
And they're all just- No, comedy.
When I started comedy is when I started smoking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The improv is not as bad.
The laugh factor is not bad at all because there's nowhere to smoke.
unidentified
Right.
brian redban
The fact that the comedy store has a patio you can smoke at.
So you're sitting there and people are just blowing smoke in your face non-stop.
joe rogan
That's an interesting thing I've never thought about with the laugh factor.
The factor doesn't have anything.
They don't have a place where you can go like that.
brian redban
Improv kind of has like that parking lot type.
joe rogan
The parking lot is great.
I'm out there all the time.
kurt metzger
Are you at the improv tonight?
joe rogan
No, no.
I'm off until Thursday.
I'm doing the store Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
kurt metzger
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Wish you around, you motherfucker.
kurt metzger
I know.
joe rogan
I want to see you do some stand-up in town.
I haven't seen you since Montreal when we were at that little tiny club, the Comedy Works.
kurt metzger
Jimbo's.
He's an ex-Joe of His Witness, too, the owner.
unidentified
Is he really?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
I sensed him like the Highlander.
unidentified
That's hilarious!
kurt metzger
But he's out of business now.
That club's gone.
joe rogan
When did it go under?
kurt metzger
I don't know.
It sucks.
I used to love going to hang out there.
joe rogan
Man.
kurt metzger
I know, dude.
joe rogan
That was a great club.
kurt metzger
Oh, you get a lot of listeners, right?
Because I'm at Stress Factory in New Brunswick on July 23rd through 25th.
joe rogan
Excellent.
kurt metzger
If you're out there, come see me at the Stress Factory.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Do that.
Yeah, he's hilarious.
If you haven't seen Kurt Metzger, plug your ears so I can talk nice about you.
Very, very funny guy.
That's why I really wanted to see you while you were in town.
kurt metzger
Yeah, man, I've been wanting to come on for a while.
joe rogan
Fucker!
How often are you around here?
kurt metzger
It depends what work I have.
I had a press junket to do.
joe rogan
And your podcast is on iTunes?
People can get it on everything?
kurt metzger
SoundCloud, iTunes, yeah.
It's called Race Wars with Kurt and Sherrod.
joe rogan
I'm going to subscribe right now.
I heard great things about it, though.
I heard it's really funny.
kurt metzger
The last episode came out as one of our better ones.
Beautiful.
But, you know, sometimes it's a people talking over each other's show.
joe rogan
That happens.
kurt metzger
That's why it's not as easy as it looks.
I agree with you.
joe rogan
You know what I saw the other day?
Somebody put up a video of Deadmau5, Eddie Bravo, Russell Peters, me and you doing a podcast.
Remember that podcast that we did?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All the talking over each other.
We were all hammered.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
joe rogan
It was so bad.
It's so hard to listen to.
kurt metzger
It's so bad to fucking, yeah.
joe rogan
So hard to listen to.
brian redban
Yeah, that happens a lot with the Ice House Chronicles.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
That's one of the most annoying things.
joe rogan
Well, we've had as many like seven or eight people on a mic there before.
brian redban
Yeah.
Did you see the Paris Hilton prank video?
joe rogan
No.
I gotta go, though.
I have to go.
Unfortunately, I have to leave early.
brian redban
Well, check it out.
Paris Hilton, this Egyptian guy pranked her where they're in an airplane and they made the airplane like nosedive and stuff like that.
And now she's like, I fly all the time and now I'm scared to be on a plane.
You know?
She's going to sue.
joe rogan
Well, she's allowed to sue, I guess.
Unfortunately, I have to end this thing early.
I got an obligation.
But Kurt Metzger, thank you very much for coming on.
kurt metzger
We're going to be on Sirius, too.
joe rogan
When can I come on?
How do we do it?
We Skype?
kurt metzger
Yeah, absolutely.
Anytime you want to do that, we can.
joe rogan
Do you ever do it out here?
Do you do it live out here ever?
kurt metzger
I want to do a tour with him.
joe rogan
You should do it, man.
Listen, Tom Segura and Christina Pazitsky, Duncan Trussell, they're doing that thing on tour all across the country.
They do their podcasts on tour.
Duncan loves it.
He said he loves it as much as he loves doing stand-up.
kurt metzger
Well, I did a couple of live ones that were pretty fun, man.
joe rogan
I've done Diaz's live.
I've done Kill Tony, Brian's live.
That's a lot of fun to do.
Kill Tony's hilarious.
Have you done that one?
kurt metzger
I did that last night.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that one was fun, man.
That was really fun.
joe rogan
We're out of here, you fucks.
We'll see you soon.
That's it for the week.
Be back on Monday.
Lots of great shit next week.
See ya.
unidentified
Bye.
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