June 25, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:32:56
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| We're live. | ||
| Neil Brennan in the middle of tweeting. | ||
| What are you doing, huh? | ||
| I'm using my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge right now. | ||
| Oh, it's a beautiful phone. | ||
| Hi, thanks. | ||
| Your voice is so commercial. | ||
| Thanks very much. | ||
| You were on stage the other night in the belly room, and we were in the green room. | ||
| We're like, his voice is so commercial. | ||
| Like, it sounds like that goddamn commercial. | ||
| I'll never be able to separate the two now. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| I shouldn't say that commercial. | ||
| I'll just say that series of commercials. | ||
| How many of those fucking things have you done? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably 30. Jesus! | ||
| I just do sessions, and then they do whatever they want. | ||
| At least you do other shit, man. | ||
| If you were just doing that, and then you became the Verizon guy, you know? | ||
| Ugh! | ||
| Can you hear me now? | ||
| Like that guy? | ||
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Ugh! | |
| That guy's fucked! | ||
| He's fucked! | ||
| Dell? | ||
| You're getting a Dell? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Oh, that guy's fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How about the girl? | ||
| The insurance girl? | ||
| Flo. | ||
| Is that her name? | ||
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Flo. | |
| Yeah, but at least they keep making those. | ||
| She is fucked once she's done, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But she's probably made a killing by this point. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| But is it worth it? | ||
| At what price, Flo? | ||
| But that guy from that fucking commercial that always gets in the accidents and falls down and gets hurt, you know that handsome gentleman? | ||
| Yeah, they cast him in a lot of shit. | ||
| He's in movies, too. | ||
| He's always in movies. | ||
| He was in John Wick. | ||
| John Wick was good, right? | ||
| Fuck yeah, it was good. | ||
| I've heard it's good, I just haven't watched it. | ||
| I mean, it's no brilliant Like super creative, undeniable work of art, but it's fun as shit as far as like a really wild, crazy entertainment. | ||
| It's just, it's like crazy action sequences, right? | ||
| The craziest! | ||
| Because the guy who directed it was a fight coordinator, apparently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he just had ideas for, like, the ideas he'd never given people, I think. | ||
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Oh. | |
| And so he was like, eh. | ||
| So he just saved it. | ||
| He basically sandbagged. | ||
| He must have. | ||
| He sandbagged everyone he worked for and then unleashed it. | ||
| Well, doesn't that work with, like, writers? | ||
| Like, you're a writer. | ||
| Doesn't that work with writers sometimes? | ||
| Like, if you see, like, especially writers that are writing for someone else, like a monologue or something like that? | ||
| I know what you're getting at. | ||
| No, I mean, like, look, I don't... | ||
| There's certain jokes that, like, if I'm writing for... | ||
| Like, Rock or something. | ||
| It's usually for like the BET Awards. | ||
| So it's not like, ugh, I would have done that topical joke about Usher. | ||
| That's the thing about monologues. | ||
| They're pretty disposable. | ||
| But yeah, I know people on SNL that sucked as writers, and they became cast members, and then all of a sudden they had a lot of good ideas. | ||
| They just stored them all like squirrels. | ||
| Yeah, just like totally sandbagged people. | ||
| Yeah, because comics are like inherently kind of self-obsessed, you know, and the idea of like writing selflessly for someone else and making them much better. | ||
| I was talking to somebody about this yesterday. | ||
| The fact that... | ||
| It's an accepted thing in comedy. | ||
| It's just the accepted cast system that Rock is basically saying, like, hey, I'm funnier than you, and I'm hosting a show, so fucking give me jokes. | ||
| Is that what he's saying? | ||
| That's what the world's saying. | ||
| I don't think it's that explicit. | ||
| At the same time, there's something flattering about the fact that one of the best comics wants him to remember. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| But there's also something about, like, you, come here, rub my back. | ||
| Hey, other MMA fighter, come run my back. | ||
| You're not in this fight. | ||
| I'm ranked higher than you, so come run my back. | ||
| You're just like, okay. | ||
| You get paid and it's fun and all that stuff. | ||
| See, I don't think of it that way at all. | ||
| I think of it as, first of all, for him. | ||
| Honestly, I don't either. | ||
| I know you don't. | ||
| It's very intelligent for him, because it's a smart way to do it, and a lot of people don't do it that way. | ||
| They don't bring in other people to help them, and their work can kind of suffer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, he's pretty smart in that way that he's, like, looking at it objectively. | ||
| Like, there's other strong people around. | ||
| If I bring them in, it'll make my already strong act even stronger. | ||
| He doesn't do it for his act. | ||
| He'll do it for TV shows. | ||
| Monologues. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Monologues. | ||
| And so it's not... | ||
| And the other thing with Rock is... | ||
| It's generally you write stuff for him and send it to him so that he can be confident in his shit. | ||
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So you're like, okay, my shit's better than this. | |
| Which is fine. | ||
| Well, you just need a giant mound of shit to chop away at and then you find where the gems are. | ||
| If you only have a few pretty decent ideas and you're trying to build them up, that's way less effective than an enormous catalog of ideas and you get to try and pick the best ones. | ||
| Yeah, that's what Rock always says. | ||
| He's like, I have comedy writers around the way. | ||
| Rappers have gold chains. | ||
| That's all he spends his money on. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's not going to buy a chain. | ||
| He's like, I'll just have a writer write for a fucking movie with me. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Well, that's why he's Chris Rock. | ||
| He's got his effective strategy for optimizing all of his shows and all of his sets. | ||
| He knows what the fuck he's doing. | ||
| The thing that I was, when you were saying about having other people come in and look, I find that a lot of guys, comedian-wise, when you get to the theater level, it's basically all your audiences are henpecked. | ||
| All of your audiences are predisposed to like you. | ||
| Do you ever, and what I found is a lot of people when they go to theaters, their act either plateaus or gets worse. | ||
| Do you ever specifically go to rooms where they don't know you're coming so you can get a better read on shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I do a lot of sets during the day, like regular sets at the improv or the store where they're there to see a wide variety of people. | ||
| I do a lot of those. | ||
| I think those are important. | ||
| I think sets at the store are important, period, because it's a fucking jaded group down there. | ||
| It's beautiful and magical, but it's jaded. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the hardest room in the world. | ||
| The belly room? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You might as well be doing stand-up for one person. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| The people are right in front of you. | ||
| The worst part of a belly room is there's people to the right that could just charge the stage. | ||
| They're right there. | ||
| They're fucking right there. | ||
| They can just sprint at you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's also, they have, you know, it's great, though. | ||
| Like, all we're saying, you know, about the thing, like, the worst part of it, but even the worst part about it is magic, because that room is fucking magic, man. | ||
| That belly room, if you get something to work in that belly room, we were talking about this last night, that there's the belly room and the ice house, and the ice house is maybe the best club ever. | ||
| It's got the rep, and having done it, it's like the easiest club. | ||
| Easiest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's just set up perfect. | ||
| The ceiling is low. | ||
| Everyone's stuffed in there. | ||
| It's very contagious laughter. | ||
| It's great acoustics. | ||
| It's all wood everywhere. | ||
| The laughter really reverberates. | ||
| And it's got... | ||
| Whatever the fuck, 50 years of comedy burned into the walls. | ||
| It's the oldest club in the country. | ||
| I think it's older than 50 years old. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, I think it is. | ||
| I think it's like 55 years old or something like that. | ||
| But it's essentially the oldest comedy club on earth. | ||
| Because the oldest clubs for comedy were in America. | ||
| It's the oldest one in America. | ||
| So it's the oldest, longest running club ever. | ||
| So it's a super rare place. | ||
| But it's way easier than like the OR or especially the belly room. | ||
| It's a different kind of... | ||
| Louie was saying in an interview, like, when he's in L.A., he'll go, he'll do, like, an alternative show, then he'll do the improv or the laugh factory, and then he'll do the store. | ||
| And it's like, if it works... | ||
| He's like, everything will work at an alternative room, some stuff will work at the improv, and one thing will work at the store. | ||
| And the one thing that works at the store that he keeps. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you need all of those, because when I was just doing the store only, I think my act suffered a little bit. | ||
| Where does it go? | ||
| Because that's the thing, it's hard to... | ||
| What is the psychographic of the store? | ||
| You think they... | ||
| Because I still couldn't tell you, having been working there six, seven years, I still couldn't tell you like the psychology of that kind of person, of the average, of the audience's collective Unconscious kind of thing. | ||
| Well, first of all, let me just say this. | ||
| It's way better now. | ||
| My second run at the store from 2007 on, I wasn't there. | ||
| So I started up again December 2014. It's way better. | ||
| It's just better. | ||
| It's a better club. | ||
| The young guys coming up are better. | ||
| There's a better vibe. | ||
| The audiences are better. | ||
| When I was there in the early 2000s, man, I was a war zone. | ||
| It was all old-timers, right? | ||
| I mean, it was all clubs were old. | ||
| But it was also the audience was just like monsters. | ||
| There was a lot of monsters. | ||
| Like rapey? | ||
| Dumb, heckly, drunky, no crowd control at all. | ||
| They have real crowd control now. | ||
| They'll kick people out if they're retarded. | ||
| They didn't used to do that. | ||
| They'll kick people out if they say eight things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to say eight. | ||
| Yeah, you have to say fucking eight. | ||
| Any of these clubs are like, no, we're good. | ||
| It's fucking get them out. | ||
| They say more than one thing, get them out. | ||
| They kicked a guy out of the ice house last night. | ||
| He started, like, early on this one bit, he kept yelling the same thing out while the bit was going out. | ||
| And I figured, let me ignore him. | ||
| And then we got to the end of the bit, and he's still yelling out the thing. | ||
| I'm like, I heard you, you fuck. | ||
| And he's like, well, I know I was talking about that thing on your podcast. | ||
| I go, we're not having a conversation. | ||
| It's a fucking show. | ||
| And then he keeps going. | ||
| I'm like, oh, fucking Christ. | ||
| And then when the bouncers come over to take him away, he goes, are you serious? | ||
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Like, are you serious? | |
| I was helping. | ||
| What do you think, they just picked you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They just randomly picked a guy and decided to fuck with him. | ||
| That's what I said the other day to a woman who was yelling. | ||
| I go, do you go to fucking Katy Perry concerts, sit at the bottom of the stage and just sing along with her? | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Like, I don't need your help. | ||
| They didn't book the show and go, those four guys and then hopefully someone will come and heckle them. | ||
| Yeah, but a Katy Perry concert, if you go and sit there and sing along with her, it's probably flattering. | ||
| She can't hear you, yeah, but if you're at the foot of the stage doing it, it's probably annoying. | ||
| The worst would be if you were saying, don't sing that song! | ||
| Yes, precisely. | ||
| Don't you have another song? | ||
| John Mayer was telling me, the name drop, was saying that the biggest issue at his shows now... | ||
| Girls running to the foot of the stage, turning their back to him, and taking a selfie. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He has security to, like, stop it. | ||
| It's like, if I didn't stop it, there'd be hundreds of people every show. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And it's hugely distracting, because there's a thing darting at the thing you're looking at. | ||
| Well, don't you find it distracting when you look out into the crowd and you see like ten phones up taking photos of you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or taking a selfie or taking a picture. | ||
| Hey, here I am with the Neil Brennan show. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Killing it! | ||
| Hashtag killing it! | ||
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Hey! | |
| Hashtag winning! | ||
| Hashtag tiger blood! | ||
| I mean, there's so many people who want to take pictures now that Hannibal Buress did some weird thing at one of his shows. | ||
| Where they have some new technology. | ||
| It's like a pouch. | ||
| And they give you this pouch, you close it, and when you're inside the club, the pouch doesn't open. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you can't get to your phone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if your phone rings, if you feel like you must answer it, you have to leave the venue, and then the pouch will open. | ||
| I guess it works on some sort of, like... | ||
| A frequency, like if you're past, like one of those electronic dog callers, you know those things? | ||
| So it's something like that. | ||
| But man, the reaction to it was like, fuck you. | ||
| I was reading all the reaction. | ||
| Oh, so you actually, okay. | ||
| I tweeted it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because I saw the story, I'm like, hmm, this is kind of interesting. | ||
| I wonder how people feel about this. | ||
| Not that I would implement it. | ||
| I feel like the Streisand effect is in effect, you know, the Streisand effect. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| Barbara Streisand, they found her house and they put her house online. | ||
| Like someone took a photo of it and like, this is where Barbara Streisand's house is. | ||
| And so she was offended. | ||
| She made this big deal and she's like, fuck you, take my house down, this and that. | ||
| And because she put so much effort into fighting the fact that her house was down, way more people knew about her house, and they all attacked and went after her. | ||
| I think if you tell people, you can't bring your cell phone to my show, then they start wearing GoPros. | ||
| They put a GoPro on, or they'll film from one of those glasses that has the lens in the center of it. | ||
| Have you had that at the show? | ||
| No. | ||
| I had a guy Google Glasses. | ||
| Oh, Google Glasses. | ||
| At the Laugh Factory, and I go, dude, I can't fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if you're taping. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you're just being a dick. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, you know, it's all I can think about now is this fucking dude with a visor in my peripheral vision, and he might be... | ||
| He could be fucking periscoping it now. | ||
| Can you periscope from Google Glass? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I think Google Glass might even be dead. | ||
| Do you periscope this show? | ||
| I do periscope things, but no, not the show. | ||
| How come? | ||
| I want to tweet about this, by the way. | ||
| Where should people go? | ||
| The show? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I already tweeted it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just go to mine and retweet it if you need to. | ||
| You're a bit addicted to that phone. | ||
| No, hold on. | ||
| You can't put that fucker down. | ||
| Let me just get it over with. | ||
| Get your sister taste. | ||
|
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Joseph. | |
| Just a taste, baby. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It's ironic. | ||
| I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. | ||
| You're a commercial actor for a cell phone company, and you're addicted to cell phones. | ||
| The snake is eating the tail. | ||
| Wrapping around you. | ||
| Neil. | ||
| All right, retweeting. | ||
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Why aren't you periscoping Neil? | |
| All right, I'll cut. | ||
| You pushed it away. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's out of range. | ||
| Is it haunting you right now? | ||
| That it's out of range? | ||
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No? | |
| Sometimes it haunts me. | ||
| I put my phone over there. | ||
| But what if there's something important happening right now in the world of van to four-wheel drive conversions or whatever the fuck I'm looking at? | ||
| The thing with the cell phone thing? | ||
| Someone was telling me when you go, again, this isn't my name drop, when you go to Drake's house when girls come over, he makes everyone turn their cell phones in. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're gonna want to take a picture. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's just like, no, you can't do it. | ||
| So he makes them, like, put it in a bucket or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know the specifics of it, but... | ||
| Good move. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You should have a vault. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Put your phone... | ||
| Why is a table in the vault? | ||
| That's where your phone goes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Everybody puts their phones in the wall. | ||
| You want to say it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No phones. | ||
| No phones, baby. | ||
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But how are we going to take a selfie, Drake? | |
| I got it, baby. | ||
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I got it. | |
| Well, you have to have, if you're like one of those big-time baller rapper characters and you're trying to keep everything on the DL, or at least keep as much of your private life private as possible, you've got to take some serious precautionary steps. | ||
| I've heard of guys having pre-nups, or not pre-nups, but non-disclosures. | ||
| I mean, not everybody, but that's a common thing. | ||
| I've heard things where you can't even be in the bedroom with the person until you've signed an NDA. Wow. | ||
| Well, if you're worried about a fake rape accusation, that's the way to deal with it, I guess. | ||
| But then the girl could say, well, I was, like, thinking we were going to make out, and as soon as I signed it, he just started raping me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it's like, well, but you said you wouldn't say it. | ||
| But look here, honey, I'm in a tough spot. | ||
| Because you said, yeah, I think they assume once I sign this. | ||
| Not like all bets are off, but I think they just assume. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I would think that, yeah, I guess. | ||
| If you're Michael Jordan, though, what do you do? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Well, those guys, when you're worth as much money as a guy like Michael Jordan, you become not just a human being, but an opportunity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a multinational corporation walking around, and people are looking to do slip-and-fall accidents and charge you with it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You've got to think that that is... | ||
| He's a target in that sense. | ||
| Whereas if you're worth that kind of money, people look at you and they go, look, if I sue this motherfucker for a hundred million dollars... | ||
| If things go badly, I get five. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he might only give me half a million dollars just to shut the fuck up. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then, boom, you're out the door with a half a million bucks. | ||
| And, you know, nothing really even happened to you. | ||
| And there's a bunch of people that do that over and over and over and over and over. | ||
| Michael Jordan probably gets sued every day. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, between the corporation and the, just every, like, there's, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Isn't that fucked? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was reading about this one guy who was involved, I forget what the case, but it turned out that he had sued, like, dozens and dozens of people for, like, he's a professional lawsuit litigator, or lawsuit court. | ||
| Claimant. | ||
| Whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| Some shit. | ||
| And this guy just does that. | ||
| It goes from one to the next. | ||
| Tries to figure out how to make some money and then sues this guy and then sues that guy for fraud and this guy for fraud. | ||
| That's a creepy abuse. | ||
| There's a music company like that that just will go after the slightest... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's like they're known in the music industry, they will sue you. | ||
| It's like Commodore music or some shit, and they'll just go after fucking the slightest, it kind of sounds like this, and it holds people up, and people just settle. | ||
| Well, every now and then, when one does get through, like that song that was like... | ||
| Blurred Lines, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Marvin Gaye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was exactly... | ||
| Like, how the fuck did they not know that people are going to see that? | ||
| I think there's so much copying in the music business that I think they were just like, yeah, it's just kind of like, someone sounds just like fucking that song. | ||
| You know what I was listening to? | ||
| I was listening to a podcast, I can't remember what it was the other day, but they were playing Bob Dylan songs that were stolen, that Dylan stole. | ||
| What? | ||
| Because he was doing all folk songs. | ||
| So it was all sort of public domain, but he was taking other people's melodies and And then making them, changing the lyrics, and those became hits for him. | ||
| Yeah, it was, it blew my mind, because you go, Bob Dylan, of all people, he's like, you know, the poet laureate of the fucking 20th century, yeah. | ||
| Just as much as anybody else, yeah. | ||
| George Harrison got sued for two different songs. | ||
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Was My Guitar, was that one of them? | |
| They were both hits. | ||
| One was like, I'd like to teach the world to sing. | ||
| I think he did one that... | ||
| I think Coke did it before him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And then he did something that sounded like and lost that. | ||
| I believe. | ||
| I could be wrong, but... | ||
| I'd like to buy the world of Coke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was before I'd like to teach the world to sing? | ||
| No, I... No, that's the same song. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I don't know what George Harrison's was, but I know that he lost two lawsuits. | ||
| But the Thin Lines one, after all the different lawsuits and all the different people that have been sued for stealing lines in songs or stealing melodies, you would think that they wouldn't think that they could pull that off. | ||
| Yeah, I was surprised they won, to be honest with you. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I was surprised they won, because you can make a case it's different enough. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not the same tempo. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Maybe I was wrong. | ||
| Maybe I'm wrong. | ||
| Maybe we need to listen to it. | ||
| I know they did another one. | ||
| They tried to go after him for another Marvin Gaye song. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that one's like much more shaky than this one. | ||
| And Pharrell's a creative guy, so it's not like they're dealing with some hack. | ||
| And he wrote the whole thing. | ||
| Is it possible that Pharrell's a little bit of a hack? | ||
| Look, anything's possible, Jeff. | ||
| Anything is possible. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Everyone's a little bit of a hack, I guess. | ||
| Bob Dylan's a little bit of a hack. | ||
| Precisely. | ||
| None of us are safe. | ||
| None of us are safe. | ||
| If Bill Cosby's raping, what chance do the rest of us have? | ||
| Is that the biggest shock that you've ever heard in all of your years? | ||
| No! | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I met him 20 years ago, and he was a fucking dick, and... | ||
| When his show started, the sitcom, I was like, I don't like that guy. | ||
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Really? | |
| I promise you. | ||
| As a ten-year-old, I was like, I don't like that guy. | ||
| Just a fucking egomaniac. | ||
| I knew it from the... | ||
| I mean, I'm rarely that right about something. | ||
| Rarely do I not like someone and they turn out to be, like, a serial rapist, but... | ||
| Usually he was just kind of a dick, but to become a... | ||
| I was like, yeah, that totally makes sense. | ||
| So before you ever met him, you had this... | ||
| You'd made him. | ||
| You'd figured it out. | ||
| Didn't like... | ||
| Never liked the sitcom. | ||
| Thought I was crazy. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I went to college, NYU, there was an essay in some English lit book explaining what the formula for the show was, which was... | ||
| The kids have an original idea... | ||
| An original desire, an original idea, and then Bill Cosby spends the episode chopping them down. | ||
| And it was like, yeah, that's exactly what every episode was. | ||
| And I hated it just as a kid. | ||
| I'm like, fuck this guy. | ||
| Fuck him! | ||
| Like, let him have a fucking, let Ruby or whatever, Rudy, have a fucking, let her get a pet. | ||
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Or whatever she wanted. | |
| So you met him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how long after you saw the show did you meet him? | ||
| I met him in 1993 at the Arsenio Hall Show, the original. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So did we know each other then? | ||
| Yeah, it was after I, I mean, we hadn't seen it, but it was like, after I was a doorman, moved out here, and went to, and met the woman who worked at Arsenio, and through Dave, and whatever, so she was like, whenever there's somebody cool on, she's like, come and meet someone. | ||
| So, met him, and he was talking about Slavery. | ||
| And he was like, it was me, him, and two black dudes. | ||
| And he goes, he, Bill Cosby goes, and then the Dutch man came and pointed at me. | ||
| And I was like, I'm not Dutch. | ||
| He was like, you know, close enough. | ||
| But the fact that he would point at me, he was like, we're not, you know I'm not. | ||
| What are the odds I'm fucking Dutch? | ||
| And the fact that he just like pointed at me and was, and he's a... | ||
| Predator, like wildly smug guy. | ||
| Wildly smug, yeah. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Like, you know, smart guy, but not as... | ||
| He's one of those guys who'll talk and then say, in other words, four times. | ||
| It's like, no, you're making the same point four different... | ||
| Like, I got it the first time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To impress himself? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In my experience, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, smug, like really smug people, like, God damn it. | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Are we wrestling or are we having a conversation? | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Well, they're not, you're not there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't, it doesn't matter who they're talking to. | ||
| You're just a warm, you're just like a, if they're the predator, you're just like fucking red. | ||
| Like, you're just a thing that they're talking at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the heat signature. | ||
| Yeah, you're a walking heat signature. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that to me was the only thing that made sense about this. | ||
| It's like, how could someone drug somebody like that? | ||
| And then I thought about it and I was like, I bet if you have lived decade after decade of people just kissing your ass and everyone around you is like some weird form of a yes man, like you have a whole industry behind you. | ||
| When he's on the show, like think about he has all the production assistants and the producers and the executive producers and the cameramen and the sound guys and the makeup people and everyone is just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mr. Cosby and that's your existence and you get on stage in front of that crowd and you're making this show for America. | ||
| And he's a fucking... | ||
| Killer comedian. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| He's a fucking killer. | ||
| I don't like the guy and I'm saying he's a killer. | ||
| And do you think that you just developed this sort of like really distorted psychotic view of yourself in relationship to the rest of the world? | ||
| I don't think so because he's the first famous person that's... | ||
| I think he had the pathology before he was famous. | ||
| The idea that, I've never heard of a famous person like, oh yeah, so my shit now is, I got to the drug bitches and rape them when they're asleep level. | ||
| Like, that's not a level. | ||
| That's not like a known, so I think it was a thing that he had. | ||
| In some ways, I don't feel bad for him, but what do you do? | ||
| You know, any sexual desire you have, you're eventually gonna do. | ||
| You can quell it for four nights. | ||
| So you're saying, like, if you have that... | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| ...kind of creeper desire. | ||
| Like, there was This American Life about a guy who was a pedophile. | ||
| He was 19. He was a pedophile. | ||
| Had sexual feelings for, like, 10, 12-year-old boys. | ||
| Hadn't acted on it. | ||
| And it's like, what do I do? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| That's like, when people go so-and-so, like, prostitutes, whatever, it's like, transvestite, whatever, it's like, poor him! | ||
| Like, in some ways, it's like, your dick makes you do awful shit. | ||
| So I believe he had that before he was famous or anything. | ||
| I wonder if that part is that this was a more commonly accepted practice. | ||
| Because he had a bit that he used to do about Spanish fly. | ||
| You know that bit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder if like people didn't think that it was that big of a deal or as big of a deal as they think of now. | ||
| Like maybe people didn't think of hitting someone with a Mickey. | ||
| That's what they used to call it. | ||
| They had a cute little name for it. | ||
| Whereas now it's like drug rape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To me that Spanish fly... | ||
| Argument was a that just sounded like one of those remember back in the day bits like remember speak and spell it's like one of those bits for generation But yeah, I think it was way more like there was I was reading about the one of the girls who lived at Hugh Hefner's house and He offered her a quaalude and said back in the old days they used to call these leg openers Or thigh openers. | ||
| And it's just like, I believe it. | ||
| I believe that they used to call them thigh openers. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, yeah, women, even 30 years ago, didn't have a lot of rights. | ||
| Like, sexual harassment, I don't think the first sexual harassment suit was till, at the earliest it was the late 70s. | ||
| It's amazing how much things have changed and how quickly things have changed. | ||
| We were reading yesterday on the podcast, was it yesterday, the day before yesterday, this speech by Lincoln when he was debating, like 1858, debating the rights of black people. | ||
| And even Lincoln, back then, was saying that he didn't think that they should be allowed to serve on juries or vote or even intermarry with whites. | ||
| And it was like, whoa, that's not that long ago, man. | ||
| He thought that there were four-fifths of a person. | ||
| It's like, you're not three-fifths, but you're not five-fifths either. | ||
| And, you know, the argument is, well, listen, you have to put it into context. | ||
| Like, his time, during his time, this was revolutionary. | ||
| Yeah, that was progressive. | ||
| It was incredibly progressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not that long ago, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not long ago at all. | ||
| That's not even 200 years ago. | ||
| What's cool is, the period that we're living in now, is you can get rights. | ||
| I mean, this shit is like the gay rights movement and the trans rights. | ||
| I mean, I've never seen a movement like this Them get traction rights. | ||
| The marriage thing's amazing. | ||
| They're starting to get gay marriage all over the country. | ||
| It's like popping up, pop, pop, pop. | ||
| Yeah, it's because it was stupid anyway, but... | ||
| Well, first of all, let's be honest. | ||
| Marriage is pretty fucking stupid. | ||
| Retardant. | ||
| And this is coming from a married person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea of, like, you're going to sign a contract to someone based on romance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, I get it. | ||
| I get that you'd want it. | ||
| You'd want some sort of security. | ||
| But if you're gay and you can't even make people... | ||
| You can't even get pregnant, okay? | ||
| Unless you guys figure out how to... | ||
| You have to get a surrogate, or you're talking about, you know, maybe friends that are also lesbians that want a kid, and, like, I'll tell you, we'll have two kids. | ||
| You give me one, and I'll tell you... | ||
| How do you work it out that they're going to be your kids? | ||
| Yeah, but it wasn't about that. | ||
| It was about, like, you also couldn't visit your gay lover in the hospital. | ||
| You couldn't get, like... | ||
| Insurance rights, all that stuff. | ||
| No, look, it's... | ||
| Even if you don't want to get married, it's equality. | ||
| You don't want a fucking law that says a man can't marry another man that he loves. | ||
| That's gross and stupid. | ||
| And the fact that that was common until really recently. | ||
| And the argument being like, cause it ain't right. | ||
| Well, that's not a fucking, it ain't right's not a legal argument. | ||
| It's still being going on today. | ||
| These guys that are running for Republican office, it's still happening today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, Rick Santorum was just talking about it recently. | ||
| All these fucking dummies. | ||
| What is that guy? | ||
| Ted Cruz. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fucking dummy doesn't believe in it. | ||
| They're just gonna lose. | ||
| It's like you fucking dumbasses. | ||
| There's enough people that cling to that stupidity that are still on their side for now. | ||
| They're like the last fucking Confederate flag holdouts. | ||
| And is there or is there not something in the Bible about it? | ||
| Because I've heard two different arguments. | ||
| Yeah, men are not supposed to lie down with men. | ||
| It's an abomination. | ||
| That's what it says. | ||
| But says who? | ||
| You're dealing with multiple translations of a book that was bullshit. | ||
| A fake book from 2000 years ago, yeah. | ||
| Well, not only this, more than 2,000 years ago. | ||
| The oldest versions of the Bible that we know of today are the Dead Sea Scrolls. | ||
| And the Dead Sea Scrolls is the only version of the Bible that's in Aramaic. | ||
| And when they try to translate it, the stories are similar but different. | ||
| There's all sorts of wacky shit in the Dead Sea Scrolls that isn't in any of the other books, any of the other religious texts. | ||
| And then you get to the oldest version of the Bible, it's all in ancient Hebrew. | ||
| Who the fuck speaks ancient Hebrew? | ||
| You've got to translate that to Latin, and they translated that to Greek, and a lot of shit gets missing in the process. | ||
| They wrote ancient Hebrew, too. | ||
| Ancient Hebrew letters and numbers were interchangeable. | ||
| Words had numerical value to them. | ||
| There was no number, so the letter A was also the number one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it could mean anything. | ||
| Well, it's just such a different context. | ||
| There's a different meaning to everything. | ||
| Like the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value. | ||
| And numerical values are actually important when you're saying a sentence. | ||
| You know how you say a sentence? | ||
| There's tone, there's sarcasm, you can see things in it. | ||
| That's why texting is hard to... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Are you mad at me? | ||
| Like, no, man, we're fucking around. | ||
| You know, sometimes people don't know. | ||
| No, I'm mad at you. | ||
| But in ancient Hebrew, apparently, it's hard for us to put it into perspective and kind of understand the way they communicated. | ||
| But when they wrote things down, there was inherent numerical quality to the sentences. | ||
| They had like a sum. | ||
| It was like the sentence had numbers to it. | ||
| There are 50 arguments against why the Bible is real, and there's one pro-argument, which is, I like it. | ||
| It makes me feel good. | ||
| That's the only argument you can give. | ||
| Well, the idea that God would write one book a long time ago, tell one dude, and then go off to manage... | ||
| Grasshopper populations and make sure hurricanes happen. | ||
| Like, where have you been, man? | ||
| How come you don't tell us again? | ||
| Don't you understand? | ||
| There's 30 different versions of this. | ||
| Wouldn't you want to clear it up? | ||
| Yeah, you're a dick at this point. | ||
| Like, if you made a quote, like, if there was a controversial issue that came up, you know, and you made a quote, and then a bunch of people took that quote and butchered it and twisted it up 15 different ways to Sunday, and you were aware of it, Wouldn't you want to correct that? | ||
| Wouldn't you want to come back and go, whoa, whoa, whoa? | ||
| I didn't say you have to eat babies that are the color of orange. | ||
| That is not what I said. | ||
| You guys fucked the whole thing up. | ||
| But not this God guy. | ||
| He's like, I told you. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| I told you once. | ||
| And I'm not going to tell you again. | ||
| What about all these people that are lying about what you said? | ||
| You've got to figure out who's lying. | ||
| It's not my problem. | ||
| It's not my game, bro. | ||
| So you believe in a God? | ||
| I don't not believe. | ||
| I think it would be super arrogant to say, I don't believe in God. | ||
| I've seen so many things on psychedelic drugs that don't make any sense at all. | ||
| And I'm like, why would I ever be so cocky as to think that I have the whole framework of the universe spelled out? | ||
| It's purely speculation, even for scientists. | ||
| Like, for scientists. | ||
| And scientists are studying the very nature of matter itself, down to subatomic particles and quasars and supernovas and gas clouds and all these different things they're studying. | ||
| At the end of the day, All they are really truly aware of is what they can perceive with their own senses in this existence They don't know what happens when you die They don't know if it's just a gateway to another new completely different kind of experience They don't know and the idea that it's not that it's just death It's death, and it's black, and it's darkness. | ||
| Well, where did you come from in the first place? | ||
| Why are you even here? | ||
| Why are you even here as a conscious entity? | ||
| Like, why is the idea of you, you thinking about you, that is a real thing? | ||
| Like, what purpose does it serve? | ||
| And why does it exist? | ||
| And is it possible that this whole thing is just a long process Sort of like a seed goes into the ground. | ||
| Water gets on that seed. | ||
| This seed sprouts, pops through the ground, becomes a tree. | ||
| The tree gives fruit. | ||
| The fruit drops fruit. | ||
| That fruit goes into the ground, becomes new trees. | ||
| Animals eat those trees. | ||
| We're a part of this weird, crazy ecosystem and the ecosystem that has created a human being with all their creativity and self-awareness and all their ability to reflect and change and this crazy desire for innovation, like to have the newest, greatest shit, the biggest, coolest thing, the fastest thing, the smartest thing, the most advanced thing. | ||
| We're constantly searching for this newer, better product. | ||
| It would seem to me that all of that is a part of some almost inescapable process of change. | ||
| Change and improvement and change. | ||
| It seems like the whole thing is always changing, right? | ||
| Like a cloud forms or rather a planet forms out of clouds and dust and all kinds of shit and eventually turns into a planet, eventually acquires water, eventually has an atmosphere and then life comes out of it and that life spreads out into other planets and All of it seems to be this constant state of either improvement or death. | ||
| Improvement and death. | ||
| Improvement and death. | ||
| And to say that it's not building towards something, like how the fuck do you know? | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| I mean, we literally might be building towards heaven. | ||
| And if human beings, with all of our interest in trans rights and gay rights and being progressive, I really contemplate this a lot. | ||
| I think about this all day. | ||
| I wonder if what we're doing by this movement that you say, some of it's exaggerated and ridiculous, and some of the people that are involved in it are ultimately really shitty people that have attached themselves to an interesting idea, but the trend seems to be inescapable. | ||
| And the trend of technological innovation as well as the trend of social awareness, they might, if you extrapolate and you look at where they're going like a thousand years from now, a hundred thousand years from now, it might reach a point of really like a technologically created heaven. | ||
| It is totally possible. | ||
| A technologically created heaven, created by human beings? | ||
| Created by whatever the fuck fuels a human being. | ||
| We look at it as us, like human beings. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| But what is a human being? | ||
| I mean, there's a bunch of different instincts and a bunch of different desires that are sort of sewn into the existence of being a person. | ||
| And they're inexorable. | ||
| You know, you have them if you're living in the jungle. | ||
| You have them if you live in the city. | ||
| I mean, people just have this weird, inescapable desire to do a bunch of core things. | ||
| Well, maybe those core things are very important and key ingredients towards creating technology and towards creating awareness and connection of ideas and information from entity to entity until the entire thing thinks as one. | ||
| So the entire thing thinks is one and has massive technological capabilities and literally can escape the very dimension that it's currently trapped in. | ||
| The dimension that it thinks is all that there is. | ||
| This is all that there is because I can knock on it with my knuckles and I can put it on a scale and I can run a tape measure by it and tell you exactly how long it is. | ||
| So that's what is real. | ||
| But that's not even what's real. | ||
| That's what's real right now that you can experience. | ||
| And we might be a part of one continual, never-ending cycle That ultimately leads to God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, possible. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I don't find it arrogant to say I don't believe. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| Well, I think it's arrogant to say you know there's no God. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I don't think anyone knows there's no God. | ||
| But say, I don't believe in God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I don't believe in God either. | ||
| But I don't not believe in God. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is there a God? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I've met some crazy shit in psychedelic trips. | ||
| Give me a couple examples if you can. | ||
| Well, things that knew everything that I've ever done, everything that I've ever said, and who I was. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Down to the core. | ||
| Things? | ||
| What do you mean, things? | ||
| Things. | ||
| Entities. | ||
| That I can see right through you. | ||
| Now, what are those entities? | ||
| This is in a trip, or this is on human? | ||
| Yeah, in a trip. | ||
| This is like, you meet this guy and he knows everything. | ||
| Well, you're not meeting a guy. | ||
| You're meeting like a geometric pattern. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially DMT trips, you can't really isolate what something looks like. | ||
| Because it only looks like that for the briefest of moments. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it changes and looks like something else and it changes. | ||
| And as you think about what it is, it alters. | ||
| And it's almost like some bizarre lesson in perception and your own definitions of the world around you, that you are in some way, by the way you interface with the world, changing the very nature of the world itself. | ||
| And this is like some weird lesson that they try to teach you while you're involved in these trips. | ||
| It seems like they're trying to explain to you there's It's not just you have a bad attitude or not just anybody has a bad attitude. | ||
| It's not just that you get tied up in the momentum of those bad attitudes and the mistakes caused by those bad attitudes and the energy that's put out and the ripple effect of all that energy and how it goes out into the rest of the population and how it comes back to you and you get trapped like a goddamn spiderweb. | ||
| And explains it to you. | ||
| Literally, the way that you interface with the world changes the world, changes your world, changes the people that are in your world, but also changes how those people interact with other people in the world. | ||
| It's this very freaky, fucking bizarre thing to have that be told to you by jesters, like giant jesters who have multi-dimensional heads that spin around and give you the finger. | ||
| Yeah, but I would say that's just your own consciousness. | ||
| Manifested as a person. | ||
| It may be. | ||
| Or an entity or a wall or whatever. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| We don't know what your own consciousness really means. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, first of all, look, a human being is not an individual. | ||
| Every human being is a host of an unnumberable, I mean, like, literally an uncountable number of bugs. | ||
| Like, the amount of parasites and the amount of different bacteria. | ||
| They say there's more E. coli in a person's body than there have ever been people ever. | ||
| So think of that. | ||
| What? | ||
| Just to stop and think about. | ||
| And you need that. | ||
| If that's not in your body, you're fucked. | ||
| Sometimes I think about shit like the fact that we even know what E. coli is. | ||
| Like, science is fucking... | ||
| Like, the last 70, 80 years, it's just like, what? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How did you even... | ||
| How the fuck did you get... | ||
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What? | |
| I had Brian Cox on, the professor who's this brilliant guy who works at CERN, who works at the Large Hadron Collider, and he was trying to explain the searching for the hadron and searching for the Higgs boson particle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Halfway into the conversation, you're like, where? | ||
| What? | ||
| How did you find this out? | ||
| Who? | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| You know, we're just a couple hundred years away from a guy making fire with steel and flint. | ||
| That's the only way they made fire. | ||
| Clink, clink, clink. | ||
| That's how they had to make fire. | ||
| And you guys have figured this out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| It's really hard to believe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very, very, very hard to wrap your head around. | ||
| What are they going at with the Higgs boson, by the way? | ||
| What will that lead to? | ||
| Well, they're trying to recreate, and they have, apparently. | ||
| Recreated the conditions milliseconds after the Big Bang and prove that there's this one particle that was theoretical up until recently. | ||
| And they've measured it. | ||
| They're like 99.0% sure that they've isolated this particle and measured it. | ||
| But along the way, they've also identified a bunch of other shit that they weren't sure if it was real. | ||
| Or created some things that were just theoretical. | ||
| One is this stuff called Clark... | ||
| Quark gluon, quark gluon plasma, that's insanely heavy. | ||
| Like, if you had a bowling ball full of this stuff, it would be heavier than the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they've figured out how to isolate that. | ||
| And it's also the same sort of thing. | ||
| It's something that exists, like, milliseconds after the Big Bang. | ||
| It's like a part of the very creation of the universe itself. | ||
| So there won't necessarily be, like, and if this is true, then... | ||
| Then we all get the floating skateboard. | ||
| Did you see the floating skateboard yesterday? | ||
| Yes, I did, yeah. | ||
| Fucking unbelievable. | ||
| What's funny is how long it took me to get used to it, though. | ||
| I'm like, oh, good, there's a floating skateboard now. | ||
| And you just go back to your dumb life. | ||
| You're not like, oh, fuck. | ||
| We gotta get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It'll be totally normal. | ||
| I mean, a car is fucking insane. | ||
| If you didn't have a car and somebody gave you a car, is this it? | ||
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Alexa. | |
| Lexus has created a real, rideable hoverboard. | ||
| Okay, so here's a guy with a skateboard, and he gets off, and he steps on... | ||
| It says, there is no such thing as impossible. | ||
| And it's smoking. | ||
| I don't like the smoke. | ||
| I think that's an after-effect, and I think it's stupid. | ||
| I thought it was the best part of this ad. | ||
| But it's never gonna smoke. | ||
| It's just a matter of figuring out how. | ||
| So he's gonna stand on this now. | ||
| Lexus hover. | ||
| They're not showing you any more than that? | ||
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No. | |
| That's the tease, you fucks! | ||
| That's it? | ||
| You gotta see this new RX, though. | ||
| This thing. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I'm a big fan of the Lexuses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Japanese engineering. | ||
| It's a little slightly different than the German engineering. | ||
| All of it's pretty fucking badass, though. | ||
| Did you have the 400? | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Did you have the 400X, that one? | ||
| The Lexus? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I have a SUV, the LX570. Oh, I have the RX400, sorry. | ||
| Yeah, they're fucking amazing. | ||
| It's like driving a living room. | ||
| Yeah, it's huge. | ||
| Smooth as fuck. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's so floaty. | ||
| It just floats down the highway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They make amazing automobiles. | ||
| If you think about the fact that the automobile's only been around for a little over a hundred years, too, and the amount of innovation that's happened with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's even retarded by other industries. | ||
| Like, it should be further along. | ||
| Well, I think with this Tesla shit, like this Elon Musk character getting involved, that guy's making an SUV now that's gonna be all electric. | ||
| He's making a two-door also. | ||
| He's making a bunch of shit. | ||
| But the fact, the bigger thing that he did was he basically gave up all his patents. | ||
| He's like, here, just let's make it good. | ||
| Let's make this an actual thing. | ||
| Well, he's like a real live Tony Stark type character. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got that new thing for the wall, too. | ||
| New battery system. | ||
| For solar. | ||
| For houses, yeah. | ||
| Because you can't get... | ||
| The thing that I didn't realize about solar is you can't get it at night. | ||
| Unless you store it. | ||
| Yeah, you have to store it. | ||
| And you can't. | ||
| It's really, really hard to store. | ||
| Well, most of the time you have these solar rooms. | ||
| Like, there was a cabin that a friend of mine has in Colorado, and she's got these, like, solar batteries hooked up to the cabin, and, you know, it's like a room, you know, gotta go in the battery room, see what's going on, and the batteries were dead, it was fucking up, and it was a real problem. | ||
| The guy who was staying in the cabin was like, what the fuck, you know, they don't have fucking lights, you know, this is stupid, we're camping here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just wasn't working correctly, but with this Elon Musk thing, Elon Musk's is very small. | ||
| It's not that big. | ||
| Yeah, it's like half, about this high, like half the table. | ||
| Yeah, like a small coffee table. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can put it on the wall. | ||
| Can you put it on the wall? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what it's for, a power wall. | ||
| Yeah, see how it's up there? | ||
| It mounts to the wall. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| It's a home battery that charges using electricity generated from solar panels or when utility rates are low and powers your home in the evening. | ||
| It also fortifies your home against power outages by providing a backup electricity supply. | ||
| Pretty fucking sweet. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the... | ||
| I have a Volt. | ||
| I was gonna get a Tesla, and I got the Chevy Volt because someone pointed out... | ||
| What if there's a power outage? | ||
| I was like, yep, that'll do it. | ||
| Yeah, the Volt takes both, right? | ||
| Is that the deal? | ||
| No, the Volt, yeah, the Volt takes both. | ||
| I can go to gas. | ||
| When the revolution comes, I can... | ||
| That's a smart move right now. | ||
| You got your feet in both worlds. | ||
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I got a little bit of both, Joe. | |
| Do you, when you put it up with gas, does it charge the battery? | ||
| No, it basically, you get 40 miles of electric. | ||
| Just pure electric. | ||
| Yeah, and then once you... | ||
| That's pretty stupid, I'm gonna be honest. | ||
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Why? | |
| What do you mean? | ||
| 40 miles is not enough. | ||
| The average person drives 36 miles a day. | ||
| But what about those extra four miles that you go to get a sandwich? | ||
| Gas, bro. | ||
| Just switch over to use a drip of gas. | ||
| It doesn't die. | ||
| No more gas. | ||
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It's out. | |
| Oh, you're talking about when the revolution comes? | ||
| Yes, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| You better have a power wall. | ||
| You gotta have one of them Elon Musk. | ||
| Yeah, but even then it's probably... | ||
| Although, no, if you have the solar... | ||
| Well, solar is only going to work as long as the fucking weather stays exactly the same. | ||
| If you have solar and you live in a place like Columbus, Ohio in the winter, good luck, fuckface. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're not going to get much power unless they develop some sort of new shit. | ||
| But if your skies are gray, like where I grew up in Boston, the winter is all gray. | ||
| Everything's gray. | ||
| But maybe those new ones actually can work. | ||
| I feel like they gotta be getting better with like overcast shit. | ||
| But it's not like being out in the desert. | ||
| It's not like Palm Springs or some shit like that where you can just power the whole world from it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hopefully that'll happen in the next 15, 20 years. | ||
| Well, it's amazing when you look at LA. I mean, the one resource that we have in abundance is sunshine. | ||
| I mean, that is the power resource. | ||
| And do virtually nothing with it. | ||
| Very little. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we don't have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the DWP has a fucking monopoly. | ||
| Are you worried about the water? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| How could you not be? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| Well, we're not going to have much water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's going to happen. | ||
| Like, you think that that's a new normal thing now? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I think it's like, essentially, we're a giant desert city. | ||
| We're actually admitting what we're like now? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Well, we're a desert city that had intermittent rainfall. | ||
| But the reason why LA was created in the first place as a Hollywood, as a movie production place, was because it was so consistent with its weather. | ||
| That means you're living in a place that sucks. | ||
| I mean, it's great for the sun, but it's not good for life. | ||
| Well, yeah, we're not supposed to be here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not inhabitable unless you do a lot of shit. | ||
| Unless you're like, we're going to reroute the Colorado River. | ||
| It's just like, dude, maybe we just stay near the Colorado River. | ||
| Well, what's interesting is with climate change, one of the things I'm keeping an eye on is what happens to Seattle's weather. | ||
| Because I have a buddy who just moved up to Seattle. | ||
| I have a theory about that. | ||
| Yeah, and he fucking said this winter was amazing. | ||
| He was like, dude, it barely rained. | ||
| It wasn't that cloudy. | ||
| It was wonderful. | ||
| And he was coming from Brooklyn. | ||
| I think Seattle, Portland and Seattle become LA. And Vancouver becomes San Francisco. | ||
| Dude, I like the way you think. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's in like 50 years. | ||
| You're probably dead right. | ||
| You're probably dead right. | ||
| I'm a big fan of Seattle as it is. | ||
| I've thought about getting property in Vancouver a bunch. | ||
| You've really committed to this. | ||
| I'm really done the research. | ||
| Very, very expensive real estate in Vancouver. | ||
| Yes, but a lot of beautiful Asian girls. | ||
| Oh shit, someone is thinking ahead. | ||
| Oh shit, someone did a recon. | ||
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He's thinking ahead. | |
| Well, they're great Canadians. | ||
| First of all, Canadian girls, they're just... | ||
| They're reasonable. | ||
| Yeah, they're more chill. | ||
| They're fun. | ||
| They're more fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're less... | ||
| I've found they've been less... | ||
| Jaded? | ||
| They're less... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The hottest girls... | ||
| I have a better chance with hot Asian... | ||
| hot Canadian girls than I do with hot American girls. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Like, the hottest girls I've dated generally were Canadian. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You think they're less worried about looks? | ||
| I think they're just worried about... | ||
| I think they're just more... | ||
| They actually, like, care if you're nice and cool and shit. | ||
| And decent. | ||
| Well, their whole culture is just so different because they didn't come from this marauding... | ||
| Take over the world sort of mentality that the United States has. | ||
| You know, the United States has this leader of the world, go fuck yourself, America, land of the free, Toby Keith. | ||
| You know, they don't have that up in Canada. | ||
| They don't have any of that. | ||
| A lot of times I think like the military-industrial complex is just because we have the bombs. | ||
| It's like, well, we got the bombs. | ||
| It's like, we got the avocados. | ||
| We got to make some fucking guacamole, man. | ||
| Like, we fucking paid for the bombs. | ||
| Let's fucking use these things. | ||
| Well, talk about a cycle. | ||
| That's the big cycle. | ||
| It's like, you can't not extract that money. | ||
| The people that are making bombs and the people that are involved in the military, they can't not do that. | ||
| Yeah, they're not going to stop. | ||
| It's too much money. | ||
| Yeah, they're not going to stop asking. | ||
| We just have to stop giving it to them. | ||
| What do you make of the thing of, like, well, the thing of, like, lost jobs? | ||
| Because that's a non-argument to me. | ||
| Lost jobs from the military-industrial complex? | ||
| Yeah, like, when we take that away, we're gonna, man, I got 8,000 people in my district and all that shit. | ||
| It's like, well, fucking have them do something else. | ||
| Same thing with coal. | ||
| They say that about coal industry. | ||
| They say it about... | ||
| Horseshoes. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Yeah, precisely. | ||
| It's like, well... | ||
| What about the blacksmiths? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're putting a lot of blacksmiths out of business with your fancy fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fancy wagon. | ||
| Seeing the car. | ||
| Well, that's the other thing, is when computers and robots take over, there will be blue-collar people breaking into factories to beat up the robots. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| They really will. | ||
| They'll go in with sledgehammers, and they'll start, which I believe is the... | ||
| Is the definition of a Luddite are people that were so anti-robot that they beat them up? | ||
| They beat machines up, right? | ||
| That really was... | ||
| It is so fucking funny. | ||
| But they're not wrong. | ||
| Yeah, they're not wrong. | ||
| Yeah, that was like during the industrial age, right? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Remember of any bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woolen mills, as they believe was threatening their jobs in 1811 to 1816? | ||
| That will be... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That will be a... | ||
| I believe that will be a huge thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, but Stanhope's... | ||
| You ever hear Stanhope's bit about, like... | ||
| Where they're like, oh, it's only 5% unemployment. | ||
| Shouldn't we be going for 100% unemployment? | ||
| Don't we all just not want to work? | ||
| Why are we going toward this fucking dumb work thing? | ||
| Why don't we all figure it out so none of us have to work? | ||
| Because people have associated working with making money and making money with staying alive. | ||
| And the only way you can contribute is if you work. | ||
| And the only way you can get money to stay alive is if you are in this the one thing that everybody's worried about right everybody's worried about not being able to pill that pay their bills and Starving to death having their children go hungry and like fuck what if we what if we live like the places that we know exist all over the world This place is all over the world where children go hungry Well, there's also that Protestant work ethic thing, where it's like, it's next to godliness. | ||
| It becomes one, too. | ||
| God smiled, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, when the man worked. | ||
| Like, that's a huge tenant. | ||
| Well, don't you think that that's one of those tenets, that those existed because people were trying to To instill this idea of you have to stay alive. | ||
| And so it's good to work hard. | ||
| Nobody wants to fucking farm and plow the fields. | ||
| But if you don't do it, we're all going to fucking starve. | ||
| So let's make it a religious ethic. | ||
| Let's make it a super important thing that God really likes. | ||
| And when you plow, God loves it when you plant seeds. | ||
| Sow the seed. | ||
| Go do it. | ||
| God loves it. | ||
| Is it even possible to have, would that be possible to have 100% unemployment? | ||
| I mean like could society society's based on Bartering and trading and yeah, and there's also work that people like to do. | ||
| What about that? | ||
| What if you're a dentist and you enjoy doing dentistry? | ||
| Do you want a hundred percent unemployment like when I have all these clients? | ||
| I enjoy fixing their teeth. | ||
| What's the fuck robots bro? | ||
| I went to school for it. | ||
| I'm fast and they got robots though, but you didn't go to school Yeah, you didn't go to school. | ||
| You didn't have to do any of that. | ||
| What about people that are, like, car enthusiasts that fix cars? | ||
| What about people that make clothes, that are really into designing clothes? | ||
| Yeah, I think you still do it, but the idea that you have to do it to survive, I think is just an interest. | ||
| I don't disagree with them. | ||
| Like, that you'd want... | ||
| Someone in this robots... | ||
| Someone would have to make the robots. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's work, right? | ||
| But, yeah, at some point, someone's gonna have to work in the robots. | ||
| Even if there's robots making robots... | ||
| Someone has to service the superhero, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, so someone's gonna have to work. | ||
| And then that guy is gonna want shit for the work he did. | ||
| And then it just becomes a bartering society. | ||
| It doesn't seem like it's ever possible to go to 100%, but you might be able to get down to like 10% plus robots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you get down to 10% working, 90% unemployed. | ||
| That's an awesome sentence, by the way. | ||
| Blank, blank, plus robots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because once you've got robots in the mix, everything changes. | ||
| You don't need a whole lot of people to run the robot. | ||
| Because you get robots that fix robots, you know, and then the robots that fix the robots that fix the robots. | ||
| Who watches the watchmen? | ||
| Who watches the watchmen? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Who robots the robots? | ||
| I mean, you would have to make sure that also that the people that did do all the work, that you kept a steady supply of them and kept them educated. | ||
| Because if you didn't, and then we ran out of people that knew how to fix the robots, and then we're just scrambling, like we have to relearn how to fix robots? | ||
| I couldn't... | ||
| There was a book, I think it was White Noise, Don DeLillo, but it talked about like, I couldn't fucking fix a clock. | ||
| I couldn't fix it. | ||
| I couldn't fix the light. | ||
| I couldn't fix any of it. | ||
| If something, like, if I was the last guy, like, I couldn't fix shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| At all. | ||
| Well, you know, I had a whole bit about that. | ||
| About dumb people, like, not realizing they're dumb because they buy a lot of smart things that other people figured out. | ||
| And then one day the power goes out. | ||
| And, like, what do you do when the power goes out? | ||
| Well, what I usually do is I sit around and I wait. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I figure someone's fixing that shit. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And then that person's, but that person's dead. | ||
| And no one would know. | ||
| What happened to him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the idea of the joke was if I left you alone in the woods with a hatchet, how long before you could send me an email? | ||
| Like, how long would it take? | ||
| Nobody knows how to make a fucking computer. | ||
| Nobody knows how to build an engine. | ||
| Who the fuck knows how to forge metal? | ||
| Pull it out of the ground and turn it into a cast iron block? | ||
| I couldn't start a fire! | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I couldn't... | ||
| I mean, I would literally... | ||
| If I started a fire, it would be based on shit I saw on Survivor. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| I think I could start a fire if I had the right stuff, but you have to make sure you have the right stuff, and it wouldn't be easy. | ||
| It's not easy at all. | ||
| Like, you'd have to have rope, and a stick, and another stick. | ||
| Yeah, it's like that sort of thing that they do. | ||
| Yeah, it becomes a bow, and then, like, I don't know when to, like, go over to the thing, to the... | ||
| Well, you know what they do? | ||
| There's a guy on a show called Life Below Zero, and this fucking dude doesn't bring matches with him because he doesn't want to rely on matches. | ||
| He's like, what if I run out of matches? | ||
| What if I rely on a lighter? | ||
| So this is his mouthpiece that he puts in, and then he has a stick. | ||
| See if there's a video of it. | ||
| His name is Glenn. | ||
| Pull up Glenn from Life Below Zero Makes a Fire on YouTube. | ||
| And he puts this bit, he has this piece in his mouth, and the piece, like, clamps down on the top of the stick so that he could use the bow with two hands and really get a lot of friction. | ||
| So he has the bow that's wrapped around, the string of the bow is wrapped around the stick, and he's going right to left, right to left, right to left, right to left. | ||
| And there's... | ||
| As it spins, the friction starts, you see little smoke, and he's pushing dry tinder in there, and then he gets a little ball of fire, and then he builds it up. | ||
| How long have you seen it? | ||
| It doesn't take much time. | ||
| If we don't see it, it doesn't? | ||
| No, it doesn't take much time. | ||
| But you've got to carry a thing around in your mouth? | ||
| Sure, it has to be online. | ||
| If it's not online, they should be fired. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Here he goes. | ||
| So this guy, this is how he does it all the time. | ||
| Give us some volume. | ||
| See, I don't use the headlamp, because what happens if I run out of headlamps? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| - Oh, zero. | ||
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- What he's filming? - I'm gonna put this mouthpiece in, it's made out of a terrible antler. | |
| - This guy's-- - Let's go support it. - Living so gangster up there. | ||
| So he holds this caribou antler piece in his mouth. | ||
| Then he wraps a string around this fucker. | ||
| Watch how he does this. | ||
| This is pretty wild. | ||
| So he's pulling right, left, right, left, right, left. | ||
| And watch how quick it works. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And he has this fire starting thing, and he reuses it over and over again, because the more he does it... | ||
| His teeth are ruined, we should point out. | ||
| Yeah, his teeth are fucked. | ||
| Biting on caribou antlers, bitch. | ||
| What's he trying to do? | ||
| And so then he reuses that, the little thin plate of wood that he has underneath it. | ||
| Reuses that over and over again, so it's sort of black and charred, which makes it a little bit more flammable. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| This is how this motherfucker makes a fire. | ||
| And you saw how quick it was. | ||
| Yeah, but Joe can't he write a joke? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He's not perfect. | ||
| He's not the ubermunch. | ||
| Have him, uh, have him write a sketch. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| See how it is. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Well, you think you could do this? | ||
| Hey, strongest man. | ||
| Do a fucking strong seven, bro. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| How about you write for Chris Rock, Strongest Man? | ||
| Yeah, you fucking piece, you fucking jamook. | ||
|
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Oh, great. | |
| You could pick up a big stone ball, you fucking dunce. | ||
| You know what else can do that? | ||
| A tractor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a human tractor, fuckface. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| With no jokes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Piece of garbage. | |
| Go do a tight seven. | ||
| Do a tight seven. | ||
| Warm the crowd up. | ||
| Yeah, warm the crowd up for at midnight. | ||
| Do Brody's job. | ||
| Enjoy it! | ||
| He yelled out 818 till I die last night on stage and the fucking place broke out into applause. | ||
| That's all fucking funny. | ||
| He was at the Ice House last night. | ||
| He was hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, he's very funny. | ||
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But yelling out, 818 till I die! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And the place just went, yes! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| They know. | ||
| They know what to expect from Brody Stevens. | ||
| I like that he's carved out a little thing for himself. | ||
| People like Kimmel, those kind of guys, people who really appreciate Brody, have made a big deal about him. | ||
| It's nice to see him getting... | ||
| He still doesn't get the attention that he deserves. | ||
| I want to do something where we do it in conjunction with the Comedy Store. | ||
| And we film Brody's late night sets. | ||
| Just film a gang of them. | ||
| And we find the gem. | ||
| Find the one gem and take that and turn it into a comedy special. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's easy to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because some of those shows that he does, those late night shows, they're just... | ||
| Fucking magical, man. | ||
| They're just magical shows. | ||
| Like, very inspired. | ||
| Yeah, just nuts, off the fucking charts, weird. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, the narratives that he creates in the audience with the various people that he's fucking around with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All completely ad-libbed, as opposed to those fake ad-lib guys. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You know those fake ad-lib guys? | ||
| I know they exist. | ||
| I haven't caught anyone. | ||
| Oh, it's the worst. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Are there some that we know? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot. | ||
| Not that much anymore, because people are getting hip to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there used to be a bunch of guys who, every night, would pretend, look at this guy, he's thinking, huh, and she's thinking, huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's like, well, and she's like, huh, but they say the same thing every night, and everybody's like, oh my God, so brilliant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's really an act. | ||
| It's like an act that pretends to be an ad-libbed act. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would agree with that. | ||
| Those motherfuckers. | ||
| Those motherfuckers. | ||
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Goddammit, Neil. | |
| How dare they make $61,000 a year? | ||
| How dare they? | ||
| If they're lucky. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So tell me about this fucking thing that you just did. | ||
| All right. | ||
| For anybody who doesn't know what ketamine is... | ||
| I will tell them. | ||
| I will tell them the whole narrative. | ||
| To hold the whole deal. | ||
| One of the times I was here, we talked about 5-HTP. Yeah. | ||
| That was a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That got me into it, and that's when we started creating New Mood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'd taken 5-HTP. I basically had depression most of my adult life, probably my whole life. | ||
| And when you define depression, like right now, I'm talking to you, we're hanging out, we're having fun, we're laughing, everything seems cool. | ||
| I'm pleased right now. | ||
| You're great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When does it slip in? | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| It was never suicidal. | ||
| It was just like the best I could feel. | ||
| What I could feel was adrenaline. | ||
| And ego. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| But it was never like joy, happiness, sort of, you know, like the more fuzzier stuff. | ||
| You just couldn't feel it. | ||
| Just didn't happen. | ||
| No joy, no happiness. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Again, but not miserable. | ||
| Okay, but let me ask you this. | ||
| While this is going on and great things would happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you had some great things happening. | ||
| First of all, you're the co-creator of The Chappelle Show, which is, in my opinion, the greatest sketch comedy the world has ever known. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was a great thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| During that time, was there joy? | ||
| There was ego. | ||
| Ego. | ||
| And there was adrenaline. | ||
| But there was never... | ||
| It never felt like... | ||
| My brain would, like, talk me out of it. | ||
| It would talk me out of why I should be... | ||
| Why I should enjoy it, if that makes sense. | ||
| It would talk me out of it, just like, well, yeah, but you've got a partner, you've got to... | ||
| Okay, so your brain would tell you, well, you know, you're doing well, but let's be honest, you're doing it because of Dave Chappelle, and, you know, even though your writing is really great, would it be so great if Skippy from Family Ties was the star of the show, the show would still bomb? | ||
| I would say yes, I'm kidding. | ||
| You know what I'm saying. | ||
| No disrespect to Skippy. | ||
| That's when I knew I needed to go on antidepressants is I had sold a script in like 1999 and I was on the phone with an agent who was saying that two studios were bidding for it and I was driving up La Brea crying. | ||
| On the phone with the guy, and tears were running down my face. | ||
| I'm like, this isn't right. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you were crying because you still felt like shit? | ||
| Yeah, I felt like shit. | ||
| Yeah, I just felt like shit. | ||
| And part of the shit was like, I can't even fucking enjoy this. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, just like, I wish I could feel this shit. | ||
| Right, so your tears were like, tears of like, goddammit, how come I can't even feel this? | ||
| Like, why even do this shit? | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you're not, and that's what I would get out of his ego. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like, adrenaline. | ||
| From being in a cool situation or doing something cool or whatever. | ||
| Even killing on stage. | ||
| For example, when I know certain people get off stage, when, for instance, Chris Rock, to bring him up again, when he gets off stage, he is... | ||
| The nicest... | ||
| He's so fucking gacked off of the crowd. | ||
| He's so just like high on adrenaline and like just good feeling and basically like... | ||
| Like, just good, like, fucking chemicals that are escaping me. | ||
| But, like, serotonin and shit like that. | ||
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Dopamine. | |
| Yeah, dopamine and serotonin. | ||
| He's just fucking flying. | ||
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Right. | |
| I would never feel like that. | ||
| I'd feel like, oh, I just fucking murdered. | ||
| But I would never be like, because I'm... | ||
| There was no... | ||
| I wouldn't enjoy it. | ||
| Enjoy it. | ||
| I wouldn't enjoy it. | ||
| I wouldn't not enjoy it. | ||
| But it was flat. | ||
| It was flat. | ||
| It was like, I might as well have not done that, but... | ||
| It didn't... | ||
| Me and Dov one time talked about getting off stage. | ||
| Sometimes you just want to take the mic and throw it down. | ||
| It's like, well, fucking that didn't even help. | ||
| Um, so, so, so I've taken antidepressants for, since I was crying on the prayers in 1999. So, uh, so I took them, and I took Zoloft at first, worked great, really worked well. | ||
| And I remember telling, uh, Chappelle, I think, I said, I go, I now know why people dance. | ||
| Like, that was how I knew, like, oh, this works. | ||
| Because I understand the feeling that would make people want to dance. | ||
| Or just like that sort of collective joie de vivre, for lack of a better word. | ||
| So did that, took us a lot, probably worked for 10 years, 9-10 years, you know, with varying effect, but after a while it just stopped working. | ||
| Now when it stopped working, or when I would try to go off it, I would get like a tension in my fucking temple that literally couldn't, like a knot in my temple, like if it needed to get massaged, it would just form. | ||
| And that's how I knew like, oh, I'm fucking depressed again, because it would just form. | ||
| And what was, when you said it wasn't working, so what was the shift? | ||
| It started working, in the beginning it was great, and then... | ||
| There is a term for it, and I always forget it, but it's like efficacy, long-term efficacy just... | ||
| Tapers off. | ||
| Decreases, yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| And that's specific to Zoloft? | ||
| No, it's all of them. | ||
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All of them. | |
| It can be all of them. | ||
| So, then I switched to, and then probably the last four or five years, I've switched a bunch, because all the ones I tried had some side effect. | ||
| What is the feeling, though, that you have on them? | ||
| Is it like a feeling of, you have like more energy? | ||
| Do you have a little more energy, for sure. | ||
| You have more... | ||
| You have like more generosity of spirit if that makes sense like just like you want You're less of like a hater Hmm because you're not you don't feel so Depleted yourself that you can actually be like, oh, that's good man. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That's awesome What's hard for people to be happy for other people if they're not happy about yeah 100% it's very hard because no one's mean because they're in a good mood Yeah, you know other people don't deserve happiness. | ||
| You can get it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why the fuck do you get it? | ||
| Yeah, um So, that's like any troll. | ||
| It's like you just see, it's because you're unhappy, man. | ||
| It's alright. | ||
| Like, I get it, just don't take it. | ||
| My success isn't your failure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's how it feels, because you can't do it. | ||
| You can't even get, not only can you not do Stan or whatever the thing they're mad at you for, they can't even feel what they imagine you feel from doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I tried a bunch the last four or five years. | ||
| They would work, but there always is some side effect. | ||
| Nausea. | ||
| One, I was like gaining weight and I wasn't eating and I was gaining weight. | ||
| Yeah, it was so weird. | ||
| Shit like that. | ||
| And then the last one was nausea and my dick was in a coma. | ||
| Like, literally, I took the boner drug. | ||
| Viagra? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't work. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't work. | ||
| That's how fucking, like, dead it was. | ||
| Like, literally, it's like, put the fucking charges, put the fucking... | ||
| Clear. | ||
| Clear, back, nothing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you had to get off that immediately. | ||
| Yeah, well, yeah. | ||
| What's more important, happiness or boners? | ||
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No. | |
| Well, what was interesting is it was interesting for the few months that I had it to not have to worry about boners or pursuing girls or fucking texting and tindering and all that shit. | ||
| Just like, I don't give a shit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| They seem like nice people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, what does it do? | ||
| Does it somehow or another deplete your testosterone? | ||
| I don't know why that... | ||
| The thing about antidepressants is they don't know why they work. | ||
| They know that they work. | ||
| They have theories about why they work. | ||
| I was on a class of antidepressants called SSRIs, which are short for Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, which means it's basically a double negative... | ||
| Reuptake inhibitor. | ||
| It's basically when the serotonin goes out, Usually it gets collected quickly, but if you take this drug, it leaves the serotonin out in your brain longer. | ||
| I believe. | ||
| Reuptake inhibitor. | ||
| Yeah, so it inhibits reuptake. | ||
| So it's like, hey, stay out. | ||
| Hey, run around a little bit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Serotonin. | ||
| So that's if you take the drug. | ||
| I think if I didn't take the drug, it would be... | ||
| I don't know I guess it would my brain would collect it super quick I'm of the mind that I don't have enough serotonin to begin with like I just have I feel like I have a serotonin deficiency naturally, but whatever so So I'm so what my dick was like in a coma and I was throwing up like pretty regularly like three days a week Wow, I just be driving and go like oh I'm gonna throw up and Throw up and then be fine. | ||
| So essentially with these drugs you're trying to somehow or another re-engineer your neurochemical makeup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean you're trying to help it basically. | ||
| I don't think you can re-engineer it. | ||
| I'll get to the re-engineering. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't I think with the drugs you just go like It's basically a band-aid. | ||
| It's basically just like, hey, reroute, hey, go over there. | ||
| It's never like your fucking synapses are in different places, you know what I mean? | ||
| But it's amazing that they're doing this and they're not exactly sure, as you say, how they work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they don't. | ||
| They really don't. | ||
| What the fuck is that about? | ||
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They have theories. | |
| Obviously, they know that SSRIs... | ||
| They selectively, you know, re-upped it, whatever, fucking... | ||
| But they don't know exactly... | ||
| They don't even know if it's in your brain or if it's in your stomach. | ||
| There's a new thing. | ||
| There was an article in The Atlantic two days ago that's saying a lot of... | ||
| First of all, all of those chemicals we talked about, like serotonin and all that stuff, it's mostly in your stomach. | ||
| Which people don't know. | ||
| So, they're basically saying, like, they're looking in people's feces, and they think that the amount of chemicals or combinations you have in your stomach can affect mood. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what the concept behind probiotics affecting your mood are. | ||
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Yes. | |
| 100%. | ||
| By the way, I was getting a bunch of colds. | ||
| And I started taking probiotics and I haven't gotten one. | ||
| Dude, I almost never get sick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I drink kombucha every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have the GT's kombucha, the kind that you have to have an ID to show. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| How come? | ||
| It has more than one half of one percent of alcohol. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| It's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount. | ||
| You'd have to drink like 30 of them to catch the buzz you'd get from one beer. | ||
| But it's worth it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's a stupid law. | ||
| But the probiotic effect of the fermentation of this live culture is what's causing the alcohol. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's so good for you, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's been, like, crazy. | ||
| Changed my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, traveling used to make me sick. | ||
| I was always getting sick. | ||
| I don't get sick anymore. | ||
| If I do get sick, it's very quick. | ||
| It's in and out. | ||
| It's a quick turnaround. | ||
| Yeah, I would highly recommend it. | ||
| Yeah, because if you're traveling all the time as a comic on the road, your immune system takes a beat. | ||
| Even in first class, Joe? | ||
| It does. | ||
| Even in first class. | ||
| I rode Coach the other day for the first time in a long time. | ||
| People were touching me as I was sitting there. | ||
| I was like, why are you touching me? | ||
| Your leg is touching my leg. | ||
| There's obviously something comforting about that. | ||
| Everybody's just touching each other. | ||
| You're just sitting there, and you know that your arm's going to touch the guy next to you, and everybody just accepts it. | ||
| This is the world we're living in for the next couple hours. | ||
| Isn't that okay? | ||
| I mean, why is that bad? | ||
| As long as everyone's arm is touching everyone's mouth, I'm cool. | ||
| And as long as no one gets greedy, as long as everyone's friendly with the space, you don't manspread and bop into the other guy's side. | ||
| But also hygiene. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| Because if you're touching people and they stink, that's fucking brutal. | ||
| I've had that habit of friends. | ||
| How long was the flight? | ||
| Well, it was two flights. | ||
| What happened was... | ||
| To Vegas or something? | ||
| No, it was to Canada. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| It's so stupid, I just don't want to move. | ||
| My flight takes off. | ||
| It took off at a certain time. | ||
| And I had it written the time I was supposed to get up. | ||
| I had reversed so instead of Thinking that I was supposed to get up at 9 o'clock The flight was at 9 o'clock and I was like, oh no Like I thought the flight was like 11 and I got there. | ||
| I gotta think in the future I think you should just go based on what time the flight leaves I don't leave it up to the airline what time you should wake up Well, it was just such a boneheaded move. | ||
| I just had too many different things going on and I wrote it down somewhere. | ||
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| And just incorrectly wrote it down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But anyway, point being, I had to switch the flights, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And I was thinking, like, it's kind of like the only time where people ever touch people that they don't know. | ||
| Except Jiu-Jitsu class, maybe. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then you're trying to kill each other. | ||
| Yeah, mass transit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mass transit. | ||
| Especially, like, you see Tokyo, where they push people in. | ||
| It's insane, yeah. | ||
| They literally have guys whose jobs are to shove people deeper and deeper into those boxes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They make six figures doing that. | ||
| And I think people get depressed, some people get depressed from a lack of human contact. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'll get to that in a second. | ||
| So, okay, so I was just like, taking, like the last one, I was like, I'm so sick of fucking taking, because the thing with antidepressant, Pills is that you don't... | ||
| It's a complete guessing game what's going to work for you. | ||
| Because the one I was taking that was making my dick fall asleep and make me throw up was supposed to have the lowest side effect profile of all of them. | ||
| But I've had ones that had... | ||
| More, they were supposed to do worse shit, and they didn't. | ||
| So I was like, I'm so sick of this. | ||
| So I just started looking up other shit to do. | ||
| And the big one that kept coming up that I saw was ketamine. | ||
| So... | ||
| I was like, that's interesting. | ||
| I knew it was like a party drug, but I didn't really know that much about it. | ||
| It's a very weird party drug. | ||
| Yeah, having done it, I'm like, why the fuck would you ever take that around people? | ||
| So there's a guy in Santa Monica, Dr. Steven Mandel, and that's a picture of me getting the ketamine. | ||
| Are you allowed to talk about this guy? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I think I can. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, I mean the guy's name. | ||
| He mentioned, I don't mind if you talk to him. | ||
| So you got an IV dose. | ||
| He was an anesthesiologist who basically came up with a regimen that's for depression. | ||
| By the way, he's not the only one. | ||
| There's probably hundreds in America right now. | ||
| That are doing this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With ketamine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Especially if you go on Reddit or any of the boards, any kind of antidepressant boards or whatever. | ||
| There's people that did it. | ||
| And there's another one called TMS. The other one that's making a comeback is just the Cuckoo's Nest one. | ||
| Electrical shock therapy? | ||
| Yeah, because they were doing it wrong, apparently, and there's a way to do it now. | ||
| The amperage was too high, so they were just fucking frying people. | ||
| They were cooking your brain too much. | ||
| But if you cook it a little bit, yeah, exactly. | ||
| You don't want to grill it. | ||
| Yeah, precisely. | ||
| So if you little something, steam it. | ||
| Yeah, you can poach an egg, but you should throw an egg on your fucking Weber. | ||
| So that's made a comeback, and then there's another one called transcranial magnetic stimulation where they just basically shoot magnets at your brain. | ||
| But that's five days a week for five weeks. | ||
| Ketamine. | ||
| The treatment is you do six sessions in two weeks. | ||
| So it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday of two weeks. | ||
| And I did it last week and the week before. | ||
| So first time I go in, and again, I don't know if I could have researched it. | ||
| All I knew that when you go in, you have basically, when you do ketamine, you have like an out-of-body sort of experience, meaning like a dissociative experience, which seems pretty vague. | ||
| So he hooks the IV up. | ||
| And within 15 seconds, I was like, gone. | ||
| Like, at first you just get sleepy, and then I was in the trip that you were talking about. | ||
| Fucking geometric shapes. | ||
| The thing about tripping that I forgot is how good the transitions are. | ||
| It'll go from geometric shape to a bear's face to just crazy shit for 45 minutes. | ||
| And then you come out of it, and you slowly come out of it, and you wear noise-canceling headphones. | ||
| I'm just in a doctor's office. | ||
| In a weird, not even weird, like those 1970s doctor's offices that you see in LA. Just sort of a shitty elevator and whatever. | ||
| So when I came out of the first one, I was like, it was rough. | ||
| Because A, I didn't know I was going to trip like that. | ||
| And B, I had been... | ||
| I didn't get a ton of sleep the night before. | ||
| And so I was... | ||
| And I'd flown that day. | ||
| I was just kind of groggy. | ||
| And I felt really shitty. | ||
| And it took me... | ||
| I was like... | ||
| After I was done, I probably laid in the bed there for like an hour. | ||
| So I was like, I can't do shit right now. | ||
| Like I can't... | ||
| I could barely stand. | ||
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| So, the first day was rough. | ||
| And that night, I still felt shitty that night. | ||
| I was like, I don't think I'm going to do it again. | ||
| Like, that was too rough. | ||
| And then I woke up Tuesday morning and felt fucking great. | ||
| I was like, uh-oh. | ||
| I gotta do it again. | ||
| Felt great, like... | ||
| I felt clear. | ||
| Here's the... | ||
| One of the ways my depression manifested itself was like, I felt... | ||
| My head felt heavy, and I felt like I had a lead weight on my forehead. | ||
| You know, that's the way I felt when I did ecstasy. | ||
| The day after. | ||
| The day after. | ||
| It felt amazing when I did it. | ||
| Okay, and that's what it is, because it depletes... | ||
| Yeah, all the serotonin's gone. | ||
| Yeah, and that's basically what people with depression a lot of times are, like, just every day. | ||
| It's basically just like a headwind. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's just like, fucking, could this be a little bit easier? | ||
| Like, I'm not asking for a miracle. | ||
| I'm just, like, I'm just sick of having to walk into the wind all the time. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| A little bit uphill into the wind. | ||
| It's just like, fuck. | ||
| Alright, so I did it again that Wednesday and every time I did it. | ||
| The other thing, one of the ways that they kind of gauge it is you do like an inventory, a questionnaire, like a 25 question questionnaire, like how do you feel about your future? | ||
| And it's not good, fine, neutral, whatever. | ||
| Each one has a point value. | ||
| They add it up. | ||
| If it's in the high teens or 20s, that means you're depressed. | ||
| If you're in the low teens, you're good, whatever. | ||
| And I think mine went from low 20s to single digits in the two weeks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And the only downside, and I can't get a perfectly clear read because I'm quitting the SSRI, the one that the dick killer, I'm quitting that at the same time. | ||
| So I'm just like, I'm sort of having withdrawal from that. | ||
| The way it was manifesting itself for a couple weeks was like, I just felt like shit. | ||
| I just felt like I had the flu, but not coughing or sneezing. | ||
| Just like run down. | ||
| When you wean yourself off of an SSRI, is there a protocol for doing that? | ||
| Just taper. | ||
| That's all you can do. | ||
| And when they say taper, do you get smaller pills? | ||
| You just clip them in half. | ||
| That's what I did. | ||
| And you take less of them? | ||
| Yeah, you just do. | ||
| I was on 20, went to 10, went to 5, now I'm at 0. And how long you been at zero? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think three or I think four weeks. | ||
| So how do you feel right now? | ||
| I feel I feel better every day from the from the SSRI effect Has gotten better every day. | ||
| I feel like, I don't feel nauseous. | ||
| I'm not nauseous, just like, I don't feel like shit. | ||
| The only way it's kind of manifesting itself now is like, one of my eyes is a little, like, feels like I have something in it. | ||
| That's the gay eye. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Gay eye for a straight guy. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Yeah, so one of my eyes feels a little gay. | ||
| So, as you, there's no other word for it. | ||
| So, I just put eye drops in. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it might be unrelated, the eyeball thing. | ||
| I think it's related because I've looked it up. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, there's like, there's, you know, SSRI withdrawal, if you just Google that. | ||
| And they have eyeball issues. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, it'd be a little cloudy. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Some people, it usually lasts like three weeks. | ||
| Some people, I've seen guys on Reddit that were like, I've fucking had this for six months. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Which would make me crazy, I think. | ||
| Yeah, how could you not be? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let me ask you this. | ||
| So you take it the first time, and how many days afterwards did you feel great? | ||
| You said two? | ||
| One. | ||
| One day. | ||
| The next day. | ||
| You feel like shit after it's over? | ||
| Felt like shit after it was over. | ||
| Felt like basically went home and just laid on my couch. | ||
| Did you feel like physically worn out? | ||
| I just felt like, I guess like I had a high fever. | ||
| You know that feeling of just like, I can't do shit. | ||
| Was it possible that it was the stress of the experience because you didn't expect it? | ||
| Yeah, possibly, yeah, because you ever had anesthesia? | ||
| You know when you come out of it? | ||
| It feels, that's like my least favorite feeling in the world. | ||
| That's basically what it was. | ||
| That feeling of like, oh fuck, like I could throw up, I'm not gonna. | ||
| So it could be a bunch of issues. | ||
| Did you have the same feeling every time you did it? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I would need to take a nap. | ||
| Every time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because basically, when I did it on the Wednesday, I took a nap and did a spot that night. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I ran into you that night. | ||
| We talked about it. | ||
| It was at the Improv, maybe. | ||
| Well, I ran into you at the store, and you told me that you did the last treatment that day. | ||
| Yeah, but that was Friday. | ||
| That was, like, less than a week ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, it was a different time. | ||
| And that Friday, because I had done it enough, what I found, what was interesting was, every session, it would take me longer to go into the trip. | ||
| Meaning like my body was getting used to it was building up like a tolerance for it for the ketamine How long is like it's all IV? Yeah, it's IV based the first time like I said 20 seconds and The last time was probably Four or five minutes. | ||
| And he was upping the dose, I think. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, I ran into you after the first time you did it, and I ran into you, I think, Friday was after the last time you did it. | ||
| And unfortunately, we didn't have a chance to talk much until now, so I couldn't get an objective sense of how you seemed. | ||
| Yeah, what was interesting was the Friday... | ||
| Of the first week, I had... | ||
| It might have been Friday or Saturday. | ||
| But there was a thing that was happening to me on stage where I was like... | ||
| For like months, I felt shitty. | ||
| You know when you feel shitty, you can't kill that hard? | ||
| Like there's basically a cap. | ||
| I had a cap on my set for months. | ||
| And it was making me fucking crazy. | ||
| Because I was like, it's not me. | ||
| Like, it's my... | ||
| It's A, this fucking... | ||
| A, it's depression. | ||
| B, it's the SSRIs. | ||
| And now it's the SSRIs and the ketamine. | ||
| But on the Friday or Saturday, I fucking murdered in the main room, which, you know, is like hard to do. | ||
| But it was because I was clear. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I was finally like, oh, I know. | ||
| The audience wouldn't feel like a sludginess to me. | ||
| There was like a real, like, you know, more of just like a laser. | ||
| Focus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I've had nights where I'm tired. | ||
| That is the worst goddamn feeling when you're exhausted and you're trying to come up with energy to go on stage. | ||
| When you're physically, your body's physically exhausted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you were kind of battling that a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you're taking... | ||
| It fucking affects writing, too. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Like, being depressed. | ||
| Like, I haven't written... | ||
| I think I've got basically to an hour, but it took me, like, two years. | ||
| Like, it wasn't like... | ||
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| I'm not like you where I can take a couple months and just come with a newer burr or any of these guys. | ||
| Like, first of all, I think it would take me longer than six months anyway. | ||
| But it was... | ||
| And part of it, I wanted to go, like, my fucking brain isn't working. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I just run out of options in terms of SSRIs and shit. | ||
| And also that's a primary focus of your mind. | ||
| It's like, how the fuck do I get happy? | ||
| You're trying a million different medications, all these different ideas. | ||
| And like, it's just frustrating. | ||
| Okay, so you do it the first time, and then the next day you feel great. | ||
| You're still on the SSRIs. | ||
| Or you're weaned off. | ||
| No, I was done. | ||
| I mean, I was just done. | ||
| Now I'm just in withdrawal. | ||
| Did you have to be weaned off of them? | ||
| Because, like, this is something that's a big issue with ayahuasca. | ||
| Like, no, no, I said that. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Ayahuasca. | ||
| Oh, you can't do SSRIs if you take ayahuasca. | ||
| You'll die, right? | ||
| Well, it's very dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| SSRIs are dangerous with ayahuasca, with dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| Mushrooms are very closely related to dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| There's people that take mushrooms and they also are taking SSRIs and I've heard that that's kind of funky too. | ||
| I'm trying to think if I've ever done that. | ||
| Ari was on SSRIs, I think, and he was taking mushrooms. | ||
| I think I've done that. | ||
| Maybe he was on a different kind of medication. | ||
| I think I've taken SSRIs on mushrooms. | ||
| I know for a fact, Ari did ask his doctor and told him, and apparently the type of medication he was on was fine with mushrooms. | ||
| I think I did it once or twice on SSRIs. | ||
| It was fine. | ||
| What's really dangerous, apparently, is if you take a prescription MAO inhibitor, And then you take mushrooms or you take ayahuasca, then it's super fucking dangerous. | ||
| I think MAIO inhibitors have a big profile with, like, don't take it with other shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's on more warnings than most things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I believe I've read this. | ||
| I'm, like, 98% sure I read this. | ||
| Most people... | ||
| Oh, I did read it. | ||
| It was this guy, Carl Hart, who'd be a great guest. | ||
| Yeah, I've had him. | ||
| Oh, alright, there you go. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's fucking awesome. | ||
| Said that most people that die of heroin overdoses are drunk. | ||
| Like, most of the overdoses are because they combine it with alcohol. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was on O'Reilly the other day, and I texted him. | ||
| I was like, how the fuck do you do that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you talk for five seconds and he's interrupting you. | ||
| And then they cut away from him for a breaking news report on the lady getting arraigned in upstate New York for helping the prisoners escape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and there's a panel. | ||
| There's him and a bunch of other people. | ||
| They're all talking about drugs, and he barely got a chance to talk. | ||
| It's also like, what good does that shit do? | ||
| That's what I always wonder, like, when they go, hey, you want to come on a panel on CNN? I'm like, no. | ||
| I'm not gonna change any minds, and it's also... | ||
| It's a shitty way of communicating. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| This is the way to communicate. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is the best way. | ||
| In Woodland Hills. | ||
| In an office park. | ||
| Yeah, in a shitty office park. | ||
| This is the way to do it. | ||
| Red underlighting. | ||
| So you go and you do it the first time. | ||
| The day afterwards, you start to feel better. | ||
| Felt clear in the way... | ||
| I would compare the trip in and of itself, the actual trip, like LSD. LSD, but without the speed. | ||
| But with a lot of visuals, though. | ||
| All visuals. | ||
| All visuals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So, the way McKenna described ketamine, I've never done ketamine, but the way... | ||
| You know, McKenna and John Lilly was a huge pioneer of ketamine. | ||
| John Lilly's the guy who invented the isolation tank. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| One of his things that he used to like to do was shoot ketamine intramuscularly, like shove it right into his fucking muscle. | ||
| I think that's what I did. | ||
| Well, you did it at IV. But the intramuscular is a slower release and apparently lasts for hours. | ||
| And he would bang, whack himself and climb into the tank and be gone for a fucking day. | ||
| Zoom around. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And McKenna described it like... | ||
| This is a very interesting way of describing psychedelics. | ||
| He believed... | ||
| Whether or not I was correct, but he believed that every psychedelic you take, you're experiencing not just your trip, but the trip of all the people who have ever tripped on that psychedelic. | ||
| So when you're taking mushrooms, you're not just experiencing the mushroom. | ||
| You're experiencing the mushroom as it has interfaced with countless human beings all throughout humanity. | ||
| All the different people have taken the mushrooms and had these beautiful experiences. | ||
| You experience those experiences as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| I don't agree with that because I can't, but it seems like, yeah, it's possible. | ||
| But what he said about ketamine was, he felt like ketamine was a new drug. | ||
| And he felt like when he took ketamine that he was in a giant office building that was empty. | ||
| It's like a vacant office building. | ||
| He's like, he would walk around and there was no one there. | ||
| He would like look around, there was cubicles, there was lights, there was these big open spaces, but there was no one in the room. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| He said it was just devoid of the kind of experience that you have when you take other sorts of psychedelics. | ||
| Did you experience... | ||
| I was in... | ||
| The things that I remember, one of the things I remember was like getting... | ||
| I would start on me and then just pull out wide, like for lack of a better example, like Google Maps or in my head it was more like Grand Theft Auto. | ||
| And like where I am, there's the, I'm in Santa Monica and I just go, there's California, there's whatever. | ||
| I was aware of every sort of your whole experience people that I went to high school with people that I know now like just everyone was sort of there if not like actually but sort of you know I think about them and then it was like I was in The Matrix is too simplistic, but did you see the new Land of the Lost, perhaps, with Will Ferrell? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's just a weird black void scene. | ||
| It's basically a black void with a Tron floor. | ||
| There was no Tron floor. | ||
| It was more of a disco floor, actually, of white. | ||
| I didn't have the disco floor, but I did have the sort of black void, and then shit would form out of that, and it was sort of lit. | ||
| The fill lighting, as they call it, would be green. | ||
| Like, the way your wall's red, it would be green. | ||
| So... | ||
| And it was, there you go. | ||
| He just made a grin. | ||
| Oh man, I'm back there. | ||
| Dude, I can't believe you, man. | ||
| So, the trip was pleasant. | ||
| It was never, like, I never freaked out, I never... | ||
| Did you experience entities? | ||
| Was there anything that you were communicating with you there? | ||
| Was it all just shapes? | ||
| Yeah, it was all shapes. | ||
| So it was just you? | ||
| Shapes and feelings, like, shapes and, like, I would think of stuff. | ||
| And when you say you would think of stuff, was the stuff that you would think of related to depression? | ||
| Was it related to what you were trying to fix? | ||
| Yeah, because of what I'm trying to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So what kind of stuff was going through your head while you were having this experience? | ||
| Just like about love and fucking... | ||
| Like the time I went into... | ||
| You should have the Hulk music on cue for any time someone starts talking about... | ||
| The time I did the Float Labs thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Made me get a dog because I went to Float Labs and I floated and I was in the middle. | ||
| I was like, you gotta love something, man. | ||
| And I got a dog. | ||
| And that dog has been the bane of my existence. | ||
| That dog has bit more people. | ||
| Fuck you for sending me there. | ||
| Kills old ladies. | ||
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So yeah, I thought of a lot. | |
| I was just thinking about it, but it wasn't that much. | ||
| It wasn't it was more yeah, I thought about like what if there's an earthquake also like Fucking if you're if you're tripping on on like Ketamine you're gone. | ||
| Yeah, my eyes are closed I couldn't open them like I wouldn't have physically been able to open them I was like what if there's a fucking earthquake, but then I'm just feeling Wow, what a weird thing to focus on. | ||
| So you try to sabotage on us. | ||
| It would just come into my, like... | ||
| Don't you get that when you're on weed, though, sometimes? | ||
| I don't do weed. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And weed will let you consider all the possible fuck-ups that could go wrong. | ||
| Even the earthquake, I was like, eh, get demolished. | ||
| So you die. | ||
| Everybody's gonna die. | ||
| It felt like more of like a... | ||
| It was gonna be like the San Andreas, and The Rock would not save me. | ||
| Well, what they think about that when it comes to psychedelic experiences is like it's your... | ||
| The thing about psychedelic experiences that's universal is the ego dissolving properties of it. | ||
| And they think that a lot of this... | ||
| What that feeling is when you're trying to... | ||
| You know, to try to think about all the things that could go wrong. | ||
| It's almost your ego not wanting to let go. | ||
| It's like, hey, you need me, man. | ||
| Because what if the fucking earthquake happens? | ||
| Or what if you, you know, what if something's happening right now? | ||
| What if someone's breaking into your car? | ||
| And the paranoia and the fear, the survival instinct is a part of the ego. | ||
| It felt like I was... | ||
| Backstage in my brain, if that makes sense. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Like, I was seeing the machinations, I was feeling it, but I'd also see how it got there. | ||
| So you could see the wiring. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what I always feel like when I did LSD, when I did the ketamine. | ||
| I was like, oh, it feels like you're... | ||
| I feel like I'm getting a tour of my brain. | ||
| So what's supposed to be the mechanism for repair or for fixing? | ||
| This is another thing that they don't really know. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| But I can tell you that it worked. | ||
| Because I felt better... | ||
| Every day. | ||
| It has to do with the SSRIs for sure, but I also feel like the thing that I've been noticing is, and this is such a weird symptom of improvement, I've been laughing at my own jokes more. | ||
| Which sounds like when it's fucking, you know, so you're an egomanic. | ||
| No, I'm just enjoying the idea as, like, an independent thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I'm having fun. | ||
| Like, me and this person are playing, for lack of a better word. | ||
| Like, we're just fucking around. | ||
| Like, so, that, to me, is a symptom of feeling better. | ||
| And I also physically feel better. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Okay, so the first one makes you feel better. | ||
| Is there an increase every time you do it, two through six? | ||
| He didn't tell me. | ||
| I'm betting there was. | ||
| You mean an increase in dosage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I meant an increase in how you feel. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Because I'd feel, it would take me longer to get in the trip, and then the hangover would be way less. | ||
| Like, I think last Friday, I didn't take a nap. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| In fact, I know I didn't take a nap because I got it at 4 and I had like an 8.15. | ||
| So I did, I was tripping from 4.15 to 5 and then figured out how to go and had a good set. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, is this something that you're going to have to repeat, or is it supposed to be like you whack it out in six tries? | ||
| At this point, how long it lasts varies. | ||
| He said it could be a few weeks, it could be a few months. | ||
| He did tell me, he said, these are the things that will make it last longer. | ||
| Diet, exercise, obvious, sleep. | ||
| He said to sleep with the sun. | ||
| He's like, wake up early if you can. | ||
| And another doctor told me that more serotonin is produced early in the day than late. | ||
| So if you wake up early to wake, early to rise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's basically, like, that's better for your mental health. | ||
| Keeps a man healthy. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| Early to bed. | ||
| So, yeah, it's like going to bed, trying to wake up at 7 or 8. But how are you going to go to bed early? | ||
| You're a comic. | ||
| I haven't yet. | ||
| That's not going to work, right? | ||
| You're just going to be tired all the time. | ||
| No, but I can go to bed. | ||
| There are days during the week I can go to bed at 9 or 1. I do feel like there's ideas that are available to you when you wake up early in the morning that aren't available to you at any other time of the day. | ||
| Like, sometimes I force myself to get up early in the morning just to sit down and write, because I think that sometimes I force myself awake. | ||
| Like, if I set my alarm for 6... | ||
| And then I'll get up and I'll sit in front of that computer at 6.30. | ||
| I'm all cloudy-eyed. | ||
| But then somewhere on like 6.20 or 6.45, 6.50, 20 minutes later, I start getting ideas. | ||
| And then they start coming out. | ||
| And then there's this initial wake-up, and then the coffee hits in. | ||
| And there's this initial wake-up ideas that I think are almost different because they're really connected to the sleep world. | ||
| You were just sleeping just a small amount of time ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can't, you don't have defenses at that point. | ||
| You can't be like, it's stupid. | ||
| You're just like, ugh. | ||
| Yeah, well that's one of the reasons why people like writing really silly shit late at night. | ||
| Like the news radio writers, they didn't even start working until like 2 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| I think that was mostly Paul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was Paul. | ||
| It was Paul being in his 20s and... | ||
| It was also a message that was madness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Paul knew what he was doing. | ||
| And they would write the silliest shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they were barely awake. | ||
| They were just, like, laughing and... | ||
| Yeah, I'd always heard that that show, they just play video games. | ||
| That's mostly what the writers did. | ||
| They got me addicted. | ||
| They had a local area network set up with computers playing Quake on them. | ||
| And you would go there and we'd all play real-time against each other and talk shit and laugh. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Oh my god, it was so addictive. | ||
| I like being up. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I don't like getting up, but I like being up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Getting up is the hard part. | ||
| Forcing yourself to get up out of the bed. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| I have a thing on my phone that's really funny. | ||
| It's either for you or not. | ||
| It's an app called I Can't Wake Up. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's an alarm clock. | ||
| It goes off. | ||
| It plays music or whatever, chime or vibrates, whatever. | ||
| In order to turn it off, you have to basically enter a code. | ||
| So it's like a 25 or 30 character code. | ||
| Caps, numbers, lowercase. | ||
| Takes fucking 55 seconds. | ||
| To do, and by the time you're done, you're like, fuck it, I'm up. | ||
| Oh my god, if you're doing that next to a girl, if you're dating a girl, and she doesn't have to get up, she'd be so mad at you. | ||
| You fucking asshole, you just get out of the bedroom! | ||
| Yeah, it's really funny, and it works, actually. | ||
| I have no problem getting up. | ||
| I don't like it, but I do it. | ||
| But I grew up getting up every day, because I had a paper route from the time I was like 17 until I was like 21. Yeah. | ||
| Maybe even 22. I kept it till. | ||
| So I'm used to just like, just get up. | ||
| Get up! | ||
| You know, just get up. | ||
| Yeah, the other, so diet, exercise, get up with the sun, and everything that was interesting was talk therapy. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| The other thing with therapy, I got so sick of talking. | ||
| I was like, I need a physical cure. | ||
| Like, I know what the problems are. | ||
| It's not making me feel better. | ||
| Like, it's a fucking physical issue. | ||
| I promise you. | ||
| And that's pretty much been established, right? | ||
| I mean, it's pretty much been established that there are a large majority of people or a large number of people that have depression. | ||
| There's a depleted amount of serotonin. | ||
| Yeah, well, yes. | ||
| Is that established? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| As far as I'm concerned, it's established. | ||
| But they don't really know. | ||
| And there are certain therapies, CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, that works really well for people. | ||
| Now, what do you do when you do that? | ||
| I don't know, because I haven't done it. | ||
| Now, when you're getting... | ||
| Do you get measured? | ||
| Like, do they measure your serotonin? | ||
| They take your blood... | ||
| I don't think they have... | ||
| They don't have a measurement for it. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look it up, but I've Googled it, because I've been like, how the fuck do I prove this? | ||
| But they do have serotonin syndrome, right? | ||
| Where you're taking 5-HTP and an SSRI, and it gives you too much serotonin, it can really fuck with you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how do they know it's giving you too much serotonin? | ||
| I think by the symptoms. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Um... | ||
| Seems like, it seems weird that they don't have a way of measuring what your levels are. | ||
| Because, can they measure your levels of dopamine? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| The brain is so fucking complicated, man. | ||
| Oh, they know, like, nothing. | ||
| They know nothing about it, because it's impossible to, there's no, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, you can look at a heart, most of it, that's physical. | ||
| It's just like blood, the thing, the liquid goes in, then it comes out. | ||
| It's mechanical, whereas the brain is not mechanical. | ||
| Well, one of the things that you brought up was Carl Hart, Dr. Carl Hart. | ||
| And there's a lot of really brilliant people today that are trying to get people to understand addictions and what are the root cause of addiction. | ||
| And Gabor Mate had some interesting stuff to say about that too in the movie The Culture High. | ||
| And one of the main issues they're talking about is that a lot of these people that are addicted, that deal with addictions, or people that are depressed, and people that have these moments in their life they're trying to get over the hump, they're dealing with childhood abuse, or they're dealing with childhood stress, or really traumatic events. | ||
| I've had a lot of therapists tell me I have PTSD. A lot of therapists tell me that. | ||
| Well, you didn't have the easiest childhood. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's partially like, my dad never hit me, but he used to beat the shit out of my brothers, and I was like three. | ||
| So I think that must have been traumatic. | ||
| How could it not be? | ||
| How could it not be? | ||
| I mean, I can't imagine that. | ||
| I can't even imagine that. | ||
| Yeah, it was shitty. | ||
| It's just a shitty way to, and then like there's so many kids you don't get like the enough nutrients basically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, and they say like a lot of that, a lot of serotonin levels are based on that early shit. | ||
| It can only, it only makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It only makes sense that your brain is programmed based on the experiences that it has to deal with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that if you're dealing with, like, that's one of the things they say about extremely violent neighborhoods. | ||
| Kids that grow up in violent, like Michael Irvin was telling me this. | ||
| The kids that grow up in violent families and around violence, they literally, from the womb, the mother, as she's dealing with high cortisol levels and stress levels and adrenaline. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The mother is programming the child from the time it's inside of her body to be more reactive, to explode, to freak out. | ||
| Yeah, cortisol at an early age, I feel like, killed serotonin. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I could be making that up, but it sounds right. | ||
| So, would you categorize what you're doing by having these experiences with ketamine, like a rewiring? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's what you're saying earlier. | ||
| You're going to think I'm crazy, but there have been times in the last week Where I can feel my brain physically not moving, but like... | ||
| Adjusting. | ||
| Maybe a certain amount of energy was inside that area. | ||
| Well, that's the thing about the brain. | ||
| It fucking knows what it is. | ||
| They know about dendrites and nerve endings and all that shit, but they don't know about... | ||
| They don't really know. | ||
| They just know chemicals and the synapses, but they don't know exactly how they interact. | ||
| So... | ||
| I felt, my brain has felt different physically. | ||
| And my sleep has been all over the place. | ||
| One night I couldn't, I woke up at 6 and couldn't get back to sleep. | ||
| Like, and then another day I slept till like 11 in the morning. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| 11 or 12. Like, late. | ||
| So it's been all over the place, which lets you know, like, there's an adjustment going on. | ||
| Do you get the sun in your bedroom? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't sleep with curtains closed? | ||
| No. | ||
| So when the sun comes in, you wake up? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's how you're supposed to do it, right? | ||
| Isn't that what you're supposed to do? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That goes to that waking up with the sunshine thing. | ||
| So... | ||
| And the other thing, the other symptom that I feel like it's better is I've been writing more. | ||
| It's like, fucking thank God. | ||
| Fucking thank you. | ||
| Not just writing more, but being more productive with your writing. | ||
| Yeah, being more productive with it. | ||
| Because you don't strike me as a guy who would be lazy, like not writing. | ||
| No, but, but, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not, like, if I don't have an idea, I just don't write. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not one of these people like, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There's something funny about the sky. | ||
| Let's figure it out. | ||
| That's never how it's been for me. | ||
| I write entries. | ||
| I write blog entries or essays, and then I extract funny ideas from them. | ||
| That's what I've been doing. | ||
| I feel like if I sit down and just try to write joke, joke, jokes, it's not my style. | ||
| It's not the most effective way. | ||
| I create a lot of pulp. | ||
| There's a lot of nonsense that I don't need. | ||
| Fucking tell me about it. | ||
| But I accepted that as a part of the process, that I'm just like mining. | ||
| Like you don't just tap into a mountain and go, oh look, it's all gold. | ||
| Like no, it's gold mixed in with rock and bullshit and you gotta find it. | ||
| And again, I think some people are just better at distilling their shit. | ||
| Or their shit comes to them more distilled. | ||
| But don't you think though that, for me at least, almost all of it sucks until I bring it to the stage. | ||
| I have to find out what it really is. | ||
| I have to push it out in front of people. | ||
| I got this new bit that I worked out last night for the first time ever at the Ice House, and as I was working it out, I was like, oh, finally, I know. | ||
| Because I didn't know. | ||
| Before I was like, is there something in this? | ||
| I don't know if there's anything in this. | ||
| That's the thing about comedy is you're never sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're never fucking sure. | ||
| So I don't, I literally go on with this and go, I don't know, if you asked me to bet, I'd lose money a lot of the time. | ||
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| And then sometimes it's like a tagline that's the funniest line. | ||
| That gets the huge laugh and you're like, oh, alright. | ||
| Or a throwaway. | ||
| I still said it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm still taking the credit. | ||
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I'll take the credit. | |
| I didn't think it was where I thought. | ||
| Do you think that that attitude, that thinking about the credit, like what we were talking about before, that was the boost that you got, was you would get ego and you would get adrenaline and you wouldn't get the joy. | ||
| Do you think that it's detrimental to concentrate on the credit? | ||
| Do you think that it's better to achieve a zen state? | ||
| Yeah, well that's the thing I've said on here before, which when me and Dave did the show, we wouldn't tell people who wrote what. | ||
| Because it was like, it's none of your business. | ||
| Because you're just going to use it to judge the person who didn't write it. | ||
| Who didn't come up with it. | ||
| So yeah, I don't... | ||
| It's a frivolous... | ||
| Whenever I'm with a group of people, if I'm writing in a room, my feeling is... | ||
| Generally how it works with me is... | ||
| I don't pitch anything for a while up front. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, you gotta fucking pitch him. | ||
| And then by the end, I've either caught up or beat most of the people. | ||
| Because I... I just want to contribute. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I just want to contribute to the role. | ||
| I want to hold my own, but I'm not like, I'm going to fucking vanquish these motherfuckers, because it's comedy. | ||
| It's silly, and how you come up with it is so communal. | ||
| Well, in that sense, but I'm talking about in the sense of actually writing things for you, for you on stage, not in the writer's room when you're writing for a sitcom or something like that. | ||
| We're talking about you coming up with a tagline out of nowhere and go, well, I'll take it. | ||
| I still want credit for that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm joking about it in that I guess it's like the ego. | ||
| It's just like, I didn't know that was the thing. | ||
| It's like the guy who invents... | ||
| It happens a lot with pharmaceuticals, actually. | ||
| They think it's for high blood pressure, and then it ends up being for... | ||
| For depression. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So it's like, oh, cool. | ||
| But the credit thing I don't get too hung up with. | ||
| I'm like glad that I came up with it. | ||
| But I'm like you, where there's such... | ||
| You know chaff like just fucking nothing yeah, and then it's what's nice is when you have a thought or like a long-held Idea about something and then eight years later you come with a joke for it Yeah, and for me also sometimes I find puzzle pieces and they they're like little islands and all sudden clink can I click together and they have a bridge and then they become awesome like I know where oh my god you puzzle fucker buddy Come on over. | ||
| Now you're exciting. | ||
| Now you're part of a little continent. | ||
| It's not an island anymore. | ||
| Yeah, because after a while, if you have enough bits in your act, if you have like five or six ideas, or eight or whatever, then you can just... | ||
| You'll just end up filling up those eight more than like, I gotta come up with two more. | ||
| It's just like the eight get longer with those little puzzle pieces. | ||
| Now, after doing these six treatments, do you anticipate this being like a quarterly thing that you do to just keep your brain charged in this state? | ||
| Yeah, he told me that there's a guy who does it once a month, whether he feels like he needs it or not. | ||
| By the way, I should say it's $600 of treatment. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you are... | ||
| But by the way, they were like, it's $3,500. | ||
| I was like, I'll give you... | ||
| Name your fucking price. | ||
| If it's going to work, I'll give you half my life savings. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, none of this shit means anything if I'm not happy. | ||
| Not only that, as an artist, as someone who's more productive if you're happy, it's worth a shitload of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's 100% true. | ||
| And also more productive when your brain's working properly. | ||
| How long has this gentleman been doing this? | ||
| Didn't ask. | ||
| He was an anesthesiologist. | ||
| By trade, he was an anesthesiologist. | ||
| By the way, it's approved by the FDA. That's what's so crazy. | ||
| The first thing I said when I came out of the trip, I go, I can't believe the FDA approved that. | ||
| How did they know? | ||
| Because it works. | ||
| He said it's like 70-80% of people it works with persistent depression. | ||
| Persistent, mildly untreatable depression. | ||
| What if people aren't depressed? | ||
| What about a guy like me? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| A whole monkey in with your fucking neurology there, Rogan. | ||
| I mean, it might. | ||
| I don't think it'll... | ||
| It fucks me up. | ||
| I don't think it'll fuck you up any more than DMT or Ayahuasca or anything. | ||
| I was gonna do Ayahuasca. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, the more I read about it, I was like, eh. | ||
| Just like... | ||
| What's the matter? | ||
| Really throwing up for hours and fighting diarrhea. | ||
| And then it also seemed like nebulous in terms of, is that what happens? | ||
| I've only done DMT. I've done the pure extract, which is what ayahuasca is, is a slow release version of DMT. Okay. | ||
| So what happens is, with DMT, they get it down to this freebase form, which is essentially, they process it down to the raw crystals, and you smoke that, and you get pure DMT. Or, the way Rick Strassman did it, Rick Strassman, finally we rescheduled, his health is doing much better, and he'll be here in August. | ||
| I think he's going to be here in August. | ||
| But he wrote a great book called DMT, the Spirit Molecule. | ||
| Yeah, they made a documentary, right. | ||
| Yeah, and I hosted the documentary. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| It's in my queue, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, we'll go watch it. | ||
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You'll see me. | |
| I'm beautiful. | ||
| But it was connected to Rick's work, but it was a lot of other experts, Dennis McKenna and a lot of different people interviewed talking about the drug. | ||
| But what he found, he had, this is all FDA approved as well, and they did these trials out of the University of New Mexico where they gave people intravenous DMT. Which is just like they're doing the intravenous ketamine with you, you know, boom, right into this bloodstream and a long-term effect. | ||
| Just like your experience, it's like a 45-minute trip, as opposed to DMT, which is like 15 minutes. | ||
| So the ayahuasca, what they've done is they figured out a way to have DMT and MAO inhibitor, a natural MAO inhibitor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because monoamine oxidase, which is MAO, dissolves DMT in the gut. | ||
| So if you try to take it orally, your body just breaks it down. | ||
| And one of the reasons for that is that DMT exists in so many different plants that it was just orally active on its own. | ||
| You would get high every time you eat a salad. | ||
| You'd be tripping your balls off. | ||
| It would be edible, but you would be freaking out. | ||
| Your neurotransmitter levels would go through the fucking roof every time you ate vegetables. | ||
| So they figured out how to do it in a hospital setting, just like what you're doing, a doctor's office setting, sort of like what you're doing. | ||
| And they had, you know, really, really, really profound results with it to the point where it was really, really life-changing shit for the people that were a part of it. | ||
| Yeah, because it's just like a fucking, it's like having a, it's like, you know when you see boxers working with like a weighted vest? | ||
| It's like, take the vest off. | ||
| So that's what you feel like after you got out of there. | ||
| You took the vest off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you took the vest off more and more every time you did it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so the sixth one, after the sixth one's over, describe what it's like the next day after the initial... | ||
| Smaller hangover and just general... | ||
| And I was taking that... | ||
| Like I said, the scores would go down. | ||
| It's called the Beck questionnaire or some shit. | ||
| And I just feel like... | ||
| I like my dog more. | ||
| I mean, it's just the dumbest shit, but it's like, I write more, I laugh at my own jokes more, I like my dog more. | ||
| The other thing that he said, which I was going to mention, of the things that will make it last longer, diet, health, exercise, talk therapy, and a close personal connection. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| Close personal connection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With someone. | ||
| With someone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With a love. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you capable of love? | ||
| I'm out on the streets looking. | ||
| Looking for love in all the wrong places? | ||
| I'm looking for a candidate. | ||
| Trying to make this ketamine last, girl. | ||
| Now what are you doing for exercise? | ||
| Cattle bells and treadmill. | ||
| Which I always do. | ||
| But it's just a YouTube kettlebell exercise regimen. | ||
| Yeah, that's hard to motivate yourself. | ||
| You should go take a class. | ||
| The thing is, I don't have a hard time. | ||
| When I got my treadmill, my accountant was like, trust me, you're never going to use it. | ||
| My clients get them and never use it. | ||
| I was like, I'm Irish Catholic. | ||
| I'm fucking going to use it. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I will be like, no, you motherfucker, you will. | ||
| Do you ever see an accountant talking shit like that, questioning your will? | ||
| Say, listen, bitch. | ||
| Sign checks, you fuck. | ||
| He did that when I invested in that laugh stub website that does the tickets for all the comedy clubs. | ||
| I invested in it four, five, six years ago. | ||
| And he's like, I quadrupled my money. | ||
| And I was like, by the way, my dad's a fucking lawyer. | ||
| Like, I'm not a rube. | ||
| My dad was a tax lawyer. | ||
| Like, I'm not like, wait, wait. | ||
| And I invested in a restaurant recently. | ||
| He's like, yeah, you can sit at the corner table. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not doing it to sit at the fucking corner table. | ||
| I'm doing it because I think it's a good investment. | ||
| You need a new accountant. | ||
| He sounds like a negative Nancy. | ||
| He is. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, uh... | ||
| If I had an accountant like that, I'd be like, listen, fuck face. | ||
| He's trying to... | ||
| I mean, he's trying to be cautious. | ||
| That's what he's trying to do. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| Cautious people are great, but not that cautious. | ||
| Where you're getting cautious about a fucking treadmill, you micromanager. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just let them buy the treadmill. | ||
| Yeah, let the kid have some fun. | ||
| Let the kid have a fucking exercise equipment in his house. | ||
| Yeah, I use it all the time. | ||
| And kettlebell's the same thing. | ||
| So do you feel like a noticeable change when you have a good workout? | ||
| Do you feel like elevated? | ||
| No, I have yet to get that. | ||
| You don't get like a runner's high? | ||
| No, at this point, I just, because I just wasn't, because I felt shitty and didn't exercise for like three weeks, now I'm like fucking doing kettlebells and I'm like fuck afterward just because I'm out of shape basically. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm in that like fucking Jesus. | ||
| So the three weeks where you were weaning yourself off of the drugs? | ||
| The last couple months, I just haven't had time to do that shit. | ||
| And I haven't been home and shit, so. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, but now that I'm back on it, I'm hoping... | ||
| I've never had a runner's high. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| People are like, yeah, you got a runner's high. | ||
| I'm like, I've never had a runner's high? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That would require serotonin. | ||
| I think you've got to go deep to get a runner's high, too. | ||
| You've got to be exhausted. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's... | ||
| I can't remember what the mechanism is, why you get it. | ||
| It's like one of those things where your body thinks you're dying or something. | ||
| My buddy Cameron Haynes just ran a fucking 24-hour run. | ||
| A mile track, 24 hours. | ||
| He did 106 laps. | ||
| He ran 106 miles in 24 hours. | ||
| His legs swelled up to twice their size. | ||
| His feet are fucking bleeding. | ||
| He's had videos on his Instagram of him them popping these blood volcanoes in his feet popping and squirts up in the air. | ||
| What did he do it for? | ||
| To be an asshole. | ||
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So let everybody know that he can run 106 miles. | |
| I like that his body hulked out afterward. | ||
| Like, I guess we're a hulk now. | ||
| Fuck it, let's hulk out. | ||
| He pushes himself. | ||
| He's really into pushing himself. | ||
| You know, like testing his mental toughness, testing his mental boundaries. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he ran 106 miles. | ||
| Fucking psycho. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| He's a professional bow hunter. | ||
| He's a crazy guy as it is. | ||
| Say no more. | ||
| He regularly throws a 135 pound rock in his backpack and climbs up hills. | ||
| To simulate, like, what it's like to pack out meat when you're hunting. | ||
| Cause you gotta, these mountain hunters, mountain hunting is incredibly difficult to do physically. | ||
| Did you do it? | ||
| Is that the one you did? | ||
| I've done it a couple times. | ||
| But the climbing up was the most shocking. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, how tired you get. | ||
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| Like, I'm in shape. | ||
| I work out all the time. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'll climb that mountain, bitch. | ||
| But you guys are talking like, holy fuck. | ||
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| If you're not doing that specifically, like, constantly climbing, You get fucking exhausted. | ||
| And then you miss out on opportunities. | ||
| And he's a professional. | ||
| That's what he does. | ||
| So he gets in shape literally for that. | ||
| And then along the way, he got addicted to getting in shape. | ||
| And then you get addicted to results and addicted to performance. | ||
| The other thing I was going to mention was since taking the ketamine, my recall has gotten better. | ||
| Memory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's the thing that is sort of unsung about depression. | ||
| It fucks your memory up. | ||
| Like you can't recall words. | ||
| Well, it makes sense because memories increased by upping your neurotransmitters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you take nootropics, that's one of the things that we found when we did the double blind placebo studies at the Boston Center for Memory with AlphaBrain was that one of the big markers that it increased in is memory. | ||
| Memory, and even reaction time, executive function, all those things that you're attaching to, or the opposite of it, you're attaching to depression. | ||
| This slowness, this drag, this weight. | ||
| Yeah, the other thing, last night, last two nights when I've been at clubs, I remember everyone's name. | ||
| Normally I'm like, I think I know your name, I couldn't tell you what it is. | ||
| Like I could see their name next to their face. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Which again, just the weird thing that you don't think about. | ||
| And then when it happens, you're like, fucking, okay, good. | ||
| I thought my memory was fucked up. | ||
| If I could remember how I used to think of you when I first met you, like way back at the Boston Comedy Club, you were never like jovial. | ||
| You never were like real happy. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| You were always cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We were always friendly with each other. | ||
| Yeah, fucking throw the ball around a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? | ||
| When I was a kid, I was like that. | ||
| There was a picture of me as a baby. | ||
| I'm one and a half, and I'm like literally staring at the picture, like staring at the camera, and Chappelle goes, and you've had that look on your face ever since. | ||
| Yeah, you were always kind of stoic. | ||
| Yeah, and it's not, and the thing is, it's like, the other thing, it sucks going through life going like, I know there's something better. | ||
| I know there's something, I don't want to be like this. | ||
| Like, I know... | ||
| That there is a... | ||
| I know if I wasn't like this, life would be more enjoyable. | ||
| And I know it's not... | ||
| You know, it's the thing with depression is a lot of times people think it's just like, oh, well, you don't fucking... | ||
| It's like when Henry Rollins said fucking, I can't believe Robin Williams killed himself. | ||
| It's like, well, then you don't fucking understand depression, dickhead. | ||
| It's not like getting lung cancer because you didn't even breathe right. | ||
| He's got that whole suck it up attitude, down pat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I can't subscribe to that. | ||
| I've known way too many people that have had, like, real fucking problems with it. | ||
| And I think it can be adjusted with behavior modifications, the way you treat people, the way you interface with people, with exercise, with diet. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| There's a lot going on. | ||
| But some people, man, it's not enough. | ||
| Some people just are still fucking depressed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've gone to therapy fucking... | ||
| 15 years. | ||
| Ari said mushrooms helped him a lot. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of people say, like, mushrooms, they're trying to, they're, mushrooms is in this whole ketamine, iboga, iboga, iboga, iboga, yeah, but the extract is iboga. | ||
| Ayahuasca, all that shit. | ||
| There's a thing in South America, or Costa Rica, it's like an ibogaine retreat. | ||
| And you see, there are videos on this retreat thing, you see a guy transform in a week. | ||
| And it's not fake. | ||
| You can see it in his carriage, in his eyes. | ||
| Like, it's amazing. | ||
| So, yeah, I think some people, it's just like, you gotta fucking do a hard restart. | ||
| Yeah, hard restarts are great for phones and people. | ||
| Yeah, which brings me to the Samsung Galaxy S6, Joe. | ||
| You know, when you do the math, it's simple. | ||
| 6 is greater than 6. What? | ||
| Is that one of the answers? | ||
| That is. | ||
| Maybe you should do punch-up on that. | ||
| I do a little, but I can't pick what they pick. | ||
| They should listen to you. | ||
| I think they're popular, though. | ||
| They do listen to me sometimes. | ||
| They're very popular. | ||
| But, like, I think the ads are popular, so I can't argue with them. | ||
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| All those ads on YouTube, it's just, in the comments, it's just Apple, Samsung, Apple, Samsung, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. | ||
| It's like, dude, you gotta, this can't be that important. | ||
| Well, people get hung up on brands so hard. | ||
| You know, I've had people that I've talked to that say, I'll never buy a Ford. | ||
| I'm a fucking Chevy guy. | ||
| You're like, what is wrong with you? | ||
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| I don't buy Apple, dude. | ||
| I'm a Windows guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| What if all of a sudden Apple comes up with the greatest thing ever? | ||
| Are you going to stick to your guns? | ||
| Because they trick you into... | ||
| Because it's not about the product. | ||
| It has been about the product and advertising for 20, 30 years. | ||
| It's about... | ||
| The cultural meaning of the thing. | ||
| Especially big brands. | ||
| That's why sneaker companies and shit like that, once they go south, once they're for losers, good luck. | ||
| Forget it. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Once you see one homeless guy wearing them... | ||
| And I'm talking to you, and one. | ||
| I would see and one, like, once you see or like... | ||
| And one had its day in the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it didn't work. | ||
| For like two years, yeah. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| And then it was just homeless guys. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I'm sure it's interesting. | ||
| They fucked up their brand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What other brands would you say are inexorable or unfixable? | ||
| Pony in the 80s. | ||
| Pony's back, though. | ||
| They, no? | ||
| They tried. | ||
| What about Puma? | ||
| Puma was a little shaky for a while. | ||
| Now it's kind of classic. | ||
| Some are European companies. | ||
| I think Nike owns Converse, and I think Adidas owns Puma. | ||
| Converse All-Stars never stopped. | ||
| They never went away. | ||
| They never did. | ||
| They hung in there just by... | ||
| The fact that it's not expensive and badass fucking sneaker. | ||
| They're like stylish enough and neutral enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't call a lot of attention. | ||
| They don't go on and on about it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Chucks. | ||
| All day. | ||
| So then there's like a bunch of other companies that are like, New Balance? | ||
| Hmm, not sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, New Balance, some of them are just for runners. | ||
| Like, some are just like, uh, Sacani. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| New Balance. | ||
| What about Adidas? | ||
| Brooks, apparently. | ||
| Adidas is always gonna have a certain, like, shell tops are always gonna have a certain amount of class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My Adidas. | ||
| And Nike's got the... | ||
| Pro athlete angle. | ||
| Yeah, but they've got like the fucking... | ||
| Like the super... | ||
| The one that's been like cool that black dudes wear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The clean ones. | ||
| My white... | ||
| The clean ones. | ||
| I can't think of the name of it. | ||
| Do you request in your rider a new pair of sneakers with every show that you do? | ||
| I do not. | ||
| Like Eddie Griffin? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Those are the ones. | ||
| It's that shoe. | ||
| White sneakers. | ||
| It's the white Air Force Ones. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| It's the white Air Force Ones. | ||
| That's a perennial for them. | ||
| A perennial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the other one is the fucking Air... | ||
| It's the first one with the bubble. | ||
| Remember when it used to be Timbalands? | ||
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| Air Max, that is correct. | ||
| Remember when it used to be Timbalands? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Timberlands with no laces? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I remember. | ||
| I was there, Joe. | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| It wasn't jovial. | ||
| That didn't work. | ||
| No, in certain areas. | ||
| They never went out. | ||
| They never went out. | ||
| In certain areas, they never went out. | ||
| Is it like Doc Martens with depressed white people? | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| Doc Martens, there's a big part of the depressed punk rocker. | ||
| Angry. | ||
| Rebellion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They want to be from Liverpool. | ||
| Not talking to your parents. | ||
| Fuck my parents. | ||
| I'm doing heroin. | ||
| Look at my shoes. | ||
| I'll be on St. Mark's if anyone needs me. | ||
| Doc Martens are a weird one. | ||
| Like if you wore a Doc Martens, you're basically like giving up on the rest of society. | ||
| And they're not good looking. | ||
| They started like skinheads made them popular. | ||
| Like, they were, like, big in the skinhead community, and then they kind of took off from there. | ||
| It's like, are we sure? | ||
| Well, they represented, like, a certain aesthetic of, like, a person who's just not following the norm. | ||
| You like dark things, clouds. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Safety pins in your clothes. | ||
| It's like the Johnny Rotten fucking Malcolm McLaren shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| All these fucking weirdos, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, I've got to say, so far, so good with the ketamine. | ||
| Well, that's great to hear that you've found something that's an actual solution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, at least in this one run... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have people had an issue similar to the way you were saying that these... | ||
| SSRIs, they would work for a little while, but then they stopped working. | ||
| Have people had an issue like this with ketamine, or is it too early to tell? | ||
| I think they've... | ||
| My feeling, personally, is like, at a certain point, I'll do something else. | ||
| But I don't think it's a matter of quitting. | ||
| I don't know what would happen. | ||
| I don't think it would be like... | ||
| The SSRI thing is, A, chemicals leaving your body. | ||
| That's the withdrawal, which creates any drug withdrawal. | ||
| It's just your body's trying to compensate. | ||
| With this there's no there's no ketamine in me Now to speak of right I guess there's maybe ketamine create something in your brain that whatever So well that's one of the weirdest things about some psychedelic trips is you feel like there's rewiring going on You feel that with DMT like they're working in your brain like you see them peripherally and you're looking at you going Yeah, and they're like doing some shit off to the side. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| It's like going backstage You're right. | ||
| You're just like oh fuck. | ||
| This is the oh go. | ||
| Hey guys How are you? | ||
| Well, I think you're seeing... | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're seeing is like the roots of where your behavior is coming from when you're saying that you see the wiring under the board. | ||
| Yeah, I just see more like the board. | ||
| The board itself. | ||
| Yeah, not necessarily like... | ||
| Do you see your childhood? | ||
| The lever. | ||
| Do you see your childhood? | ||
| No, I didn't see my childhood very much. | ||
| Do you see you in the current state? | ||
| I don't really see... | ||
| It was a POV. We all know POV from porn. | ||
| It was a POV shot of me basically laying in the same position as I was on the bed, which is just like, you know, sitting up in the bed. | ||
| So it was just me basically. | ||
| At one point it became like a little roller coaster. | ||
| Like but a fun kind of smooth like water ride But it's just me kind of going through different things and Some of the times it was just like white blah, you know just like and you you going into it with a mindset where you're trying to cure your depression are you trying to Eliminate it or mitigate it. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't yeah, I was like I'm just hopeful and Right. | ||
| But while you're having these experiences, while you're on the water slide, is this a theme? | ||
| Are you thinking? | ||
| Or are you just experiencing it? | ||
| It's just kind of nice, a nice feeling. | ||
| And then at times I would be like, oh fuck, I'm in Santa Monica, I'm trying to treat depression. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And you would think that while you're in the middle of the trip? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the other thing is, I could hear the doctor sometimes. | ||
| What would he say? | ||
| Oh, but there's a nurse watching you the whole time. | ||
| A nurse? | ||
| Is she hot? | ||
| She's super fucking hot. | ||
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| Stephanie, if you listen. | ||
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| She was cute. | ||
| Yeah, Joe. | ||
| She was. | ||
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| That's where the POV came in handy. | ||
| She's got a corset on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So she was watching. | ||
| She just watches you. | ||
| And I was like, hey, would you videotape me? | ||
| And she was like, yeah. | ||
| And then I got him. | ||
| She was like, you didn't do anything, so I didn't videotape you. | ||
| I was like, it wasn't really the point. | ||
| You're supposed to catch me while I'm under, so I would say this is me under. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple times. | ||
| She's got her own artistic direction. | ||
| She's got her own fucking, you know how they get. | ||
| Goddamn nurses. | ||
| So, yeah, so there's a nurse watching you. | ||
| And then there was, they also use ketamine for pain management. | ||
| If people have chronic pain that they can't get rid of. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, ketamine's treatment. | ||
| Why ketamine for that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's the same fucking thing. | ||
| Something's going on, yeah. | ||
| The not knowing why it's effective is very strange. | ||
| Yeah, and the dosage, my understanding is the dosage is way less than people would take on the street. | ||
| And the fact that it's way less than people would take on the street, and I was still fucking tripping my balls off... | ||
| Is, I don't know what happens on the street. | ||
| Well, the street ones, they're taking, they're snorting it. | ||
| Or they're smoking it. | ||
| Oh, so it's less, so maybe it gets cut down by the body. | ||
| Oh, you gotta imagine. | ||
| It's getting processed by your stomach. | ||
| You know, it's going through your organs and all that jazz. | ||
| You're just shooting it right into your blood. | ||
| You probably need it way less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| So yeah, so... | ||
| You should look into Lily. | ||
| Look into John Lily, because he really was a fucking nut for ketamine. | ||
| He became addicted to it. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he apparently was just... | ||
| I can't imagine getting addicted to it, because it's pretty... | ||
| I know another guy who got addicted to it. | ||
| Like, it's a day. | ||
| Well, a guy who was into it as a club drug, he got addicted to it, and came out here... | ||
| A buddy of mine took him out here to rehab. | ||
| He was a fighter. | ||
| There's a place in Thousand Oaks. | ||
| It's a rehab place that specializes or did specialize in ketamine. | ||
| He wound up dying from it. | ||
| He died. | ||
| From withdrawal or overdose? | ||
| From drug overdose, whatever kind of drug. | ||
| Who knows if it was ketamine or a bunch of other things. | ||
| Or a combo, yeah. | ||
| With ketamine, but he had a real ketamine problem. | ||
| So ketamine, like, recreationally does carry with it. | ||
| Dude, I wouldn't know to... | ||
| I wouldn't... | ||
| It's like, you can't fucking trip. | ||
| I wouldn't want to... | ||
| It's like, would you want to do shrooms every day? | ||
| Some people would, but it's like everything else. | ||
| Like, you know, should you be able to get a tattoo? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Some people want to tattoo every part of their body, including their eyeballs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, that's not me, but as long as I can say I want to have a sleeve, I can't stop some guy from turning his eyeballs into Toad from the X-Men or whatever the fuck he's doing. | ||
| What was that guy's name? | ||
| Wasn't Toad, right? | ||
| Something like that? | ||
| Frog? | ||
| The fuck's his name? | ||
| Wolverine? | ||
| No, the froggy guy. | ||
| I don't think there was a frog in X-Men. | ||
| What was he? | ||
| The guy with the fucking tail? | ||
| Nightcrawler? | ||
| No, there was Nightcrawler and there was another guy that was like a toad. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| You know what I'm saying. | ||
| You know what the fuck I'm talking about. | ||
| Big, crazy, West Borland-looking black eyes. | ||
| I would have no interest in doing that. | ||
| I would like to do it as little... | ||
| Is that a different one? | ||
| What is that one? | ||
| That's a different one. | ||
| So that's not the frog? | ||
| That's not the one I was talking about. | ||
| Well, who the fuck is that? | ||
| That's the frog. | ||
| I was talking about the... | ||
| Oh, you're talking about somebody else. | ||
| The other guy who's up there. | ||
| The other guy is the guy with that guy right there. | ||
| The guy to the left of that. | ||
| The other guy. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, alright. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he looked like. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't imagine doing it. | ||
| It was pleasant, but it wasn't that pleasant. | ||
| Because the hangover's not, like, I hate that fucking feeling of coming out of anesthesia. | ||
| Like, I had a septum surgery, and the guy didn't take out enough shit, but that's a whole other thing. | ||
| But when I came out of it, it was in New York, like, probably eight, nine years ago. | ||
| When I came out of it, it was the fucking worst feeling coming out of the anesthesia, and I couldn't breathe. | ||
| I was like, can I please get some water? | ||
| And she was like, we can't give you water. | ||
| It's that thing where they're like, Mr. Brown, it's just like this jarring fucking thing where they're trying to wake you up. | ||
| And I was like, please. | ||
| And she's like, I can give you an ice cube. | ||
| She gave me an ice cube. | ||
| I hocked up a fucking blood pellet that was like, well, what if I hadn't... | ||
| Asked for that shit. | ||
| It was dangerous. | ||
| So you had swallowed like a clot? | ||
| Basically, yeah. | ||
| Breathed in a clot and got stuck. | ||
| Or yeah, some blood booger or something. | ||
| I put some pictures on Twitter after I got my deviated septum done where I was blowing out these fucking silver dollar-sized hunks of blood and booger. | ||
| Did you get enough meat? | ||
| The guy didn't take enough meat up. | ||
| Yeah, my guy was awesome. | ||
| He did a great job. | ||
| I almost want to get it again. | ||
| Get it again. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I love it, man. | ||
| Now that I've come out of the fucking ketamine, maybe I can double up. | ||
| Having nose breathing, being able to breathe through my nose, I didn't get that until I was like 40. At 39, I think I had it done. | ||
| I still can't really breathe out of one of my asses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For me, it's magic. | ||
| Can you imagine the kind of shape I'd be in if I had both nostrils? | ||
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I can't imagine. | |
| I'm terrified. | ||
| Fucking guy. | ||
| Fucking guy running marathons and shit. | ||
| This guy's got two nostrils. | ||
| He knows what to do with them. | ||
| Well, it's just nice to be able to breathe. | ||
| Just to be able to breathe out of your nose with your mouth closed. | ||
| I was a mouth breather most of my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But apparently it's not an easy surgery. | ||
| And some people, it doesn't work right on them. | ||
| Does it grow back? | ||
| That's the other thing I've heard. | ||
| It grows back to like... | ||
| But I've heard like it just repeats. | ||
| No, mine hasn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How long ago was it? | ||
| Mine's been seven years. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They trim your turbinates, I think they're called. | ||
| Those big bones in there. | ||
| And they also cut out a lot of calcified blood on me. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mine was all... | ||
| Like they there was like an x-ray the guy's like I don't think you need anything and then he showed he did like the x-ray and It there was so much like cartilage or whatever. | ||
| It was totally it was like it was like cinnamon bund to fit Oh God, so I guess he took that out, but he didn't take out enough shit They say that there's a large percentage of people that deal with block septums that this is super common because your nose is so fragile and You're whacking on a door and all of a sudden it's bent and now you don't breathe right for the rest of your life until you get an operation. | ||
| I've heard, whether it's true or not, that a lot of it has to do with inbreeding. | ||
| I really have. | ||
| I've heard that Jewish people and Irish people have fucked up noses from inbreeding. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Where'd you read that? | ||
| I ain't fucking on Reddit, bro. | ||
| Where do you think I fucking read it? | ||
| Well, you know how fighters get cauliflower ear? | ||
| Yeah, which is rough. | ||
| They get that with their nose as well. | ||
| You get it with your nose. | ||
| Inside your nose? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| The soft tissue inside your nose bleeds and swells and fills with blood, and that blood hardens and calcifies. | ||
| And there's nothing you can... | ||
| Gotta get in there and scrape it out. | ||
| Gotta get an operation. | ||
| Can they do anything for cauliflower ear? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They cut the ear, they flay it open, and then they scrape out all the calcification. | ||
| And it's just calcified ear. | ||
| Yeah, it's just blood that becomes calcified. | ||
| When blood leaks, like when you have breaks in the blood vessels, apparently, and it's under the surface of the skin, it swells up, like fills up with blood, and then that blood hardens and becomes like calcium. | ||
| Someone I know was telling me that they woke up with vertigo, and it turned out Because a friend of hers had had it for months, and they go, yeah, it turned out it was just a piece of dust in my inner ear. | ||
| So basically, if you ever wake up with vertigo, one of the ways you get rid of it is literally like trying to get water out of your head. | ||
| You're trying to just jar the dust or whatever it is. | ||
| Like somersaults fucking laying on your side. | ||
| I swear to God, somersaults is one of the cures. | ||
| So if anyone wakes up with vertigo, How weird is it that your ears control your balance? | ||
| Like somehow your ears and your balance are connected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And your nose and your taste buds are connected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck is going on with the human design? | ||
| What about a shit design? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Your balls are on the outside. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I've been saying about that no god thing. | ||
| And every time you come, you can make a person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It's too wild. | ||
| It's too ridiculous. | ||
| It's a trick. | ||
| It tricked us. | ||
| The fucks. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Goddamn tricks. | ||
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| So, look man, I'm happy to hear that, you know, this is really working for you. | ||
| Yeah, I'm still not, I think I'm still not hoping that I have maybe 30 more percent upside. | ||
| To go? | ||
| More room? | ||
| I think with the SSRI stuff, like once that completely dissipates, yeah. | ||
| But I'm like, it's more enjoyable from the POV than it was. | ||
| Would you recommend this to other people? | ||
| Do you recommend this to other people? | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, recommending a medical treatment, it's personal, but if you feel like... | ||
| All I can tell you is I tried a bunch of shit, and the reason they do ketamine... | ||
| There's another one called TMS, which is the magnetic one. | ||
| There's a guy in Chicago who does both at the same time. | ||
| Jesus Christ, this guy's a mad man. | ||
| What the fuck's he trying to do? | ||
| Make a Superman? | ||
| Come out of it, you're psychic. | ||
| Yeah, so you're the doctor. | ||
| So you... | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch of shit. | ||
| And it's like, if you're just sick of it... | ||
| I was just sick enough of it that I was like, I don't name the price, name the hardship. | ||
| Because there's nothing, I'm just sick of it. | ||
| Well, you know, kudos to you for keeping, keep searching. | ||
| And TMS, the transcranial magnetic stimulation, is covered by some insurance. | ||
| With magnets? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| On your head? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they don't know how it works. | ||
| But they got it. | ||
| And I was on a show the other night, by the way. | ||
| It was like a science show, science slash comedy show. | ||
| Like there were panelists that were scientists, panelists that were comics. | ||
| A woman on the panel... | ||
| She's involved in a magnet thing that increases people's sex drive forever. | ||
| Fucking chicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, shoot magnets and you're way hornier. | ||
| That sounds crazy. | ||
| But I said, I don't think men need it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the dudes fuck your life up. | ||
| So the idea is you give it to women? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's a Spanish fly in a magnet form. | ||
| Basically, yeah. | ||
| So while your chick is asleep, you put a fucking magnet thing in the head and you jazz her up. | ||
| You fucking get your magnets out. | ||
| And there are people online that were saying they can make it at home. | ||
| Not the sex one, but the transcranial one. | ||
| Well, there's been all sorts of magnetic pulse to ease depression. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, what does it say? | ||
| Non-invasive procedure to help fight depression calls transcranial magnetic stimulation or TMS uses magnetic pulse to stimulate brain cells that control mood But they use that transcranial stimulation for a lot of different shit. | ||
| Yeah There was not magnetics, but electric... | ||
| They had these electrodes that they were attaching to people's brains that helped them learn shit quicker. | ||
| There's all sorts of weird little hacks that you can use that help stimulate little areas of the brain that they covered on Radiolab. | ||
| There was a Radiolab episode about this woman who went through a sniper school test. | ||
| I heard that one. | ||
| You see that one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one was amazing. | ||
| Listen to that one. | ||
| That one was amazing because she did it and then she did it the second time. | ||
| She's like, everything was in slow motion. | ||
| It felt like it only took five minutes, and it was 20 minutes later. | ||
| She basically ate a zone pill. | ||
| Like, I'm in the zone now. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I love this. | ||
| I love that there's so many people working on all these different ways to improve the way the brain functions, and they're kind of still in this infancy with it. | ||
| They're fucking with it and adding pills and jazzing you up. | ||
| I'm grateful just for the shit they've done so far. | ||
| It's like, fucking thank you. | ||
| Even for the pills that didn't work, it's like, fucking at least you're trying. | ||
| Yeah, that's really cool. | ||
| I've never had a depression issue, I don't think. | ||
| I mean, I think I might have when I was really young, but I don't have it. | ||
| I definitely don't have it now, but I sympathize with it, and I know a lot of people have had it, and they've come back, and they're much better. | ||
| You know, Irish fear is one that I always point to. | ||
| Ari was severely depressed at one point in time. | ||
| And now he's just amazing. | ||
| He's the happiest fucker I know. | ||
| From terms, you think? | ||
| Had a lot to do with it. | ||
| Success had a lot to do with it. | ||
| Ari's really successful now. | ||
| And he doesn't feel like he's on the outside anymore. | ||
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He's not... | |
| He felt like I think for a while like that he wasn't being recognized he was being recognized by us You know like all of our friends and like crowds would laugh at him But the industry wasn't taking him seriously or he wasn't connecting yet. | ||
| I had another brain thing over two days. | ||
| I think it was earlier this week Where one day I was like fucking no one cares about you and the next day I like it was a professional gripe where I'm like all that shit and then the next day I had the same thought, and then it was followed by like, well then fight! | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, fight it! | ||
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You gotta fight! | |
| Yeah, like, yeah, it was like, then fucking do something about it! | ||
| Whereas the day before, I was just like, hopeless. | ||
| Like, that's the thing, is like, one of the depression things is like, learned helplessness. | ||
| They think that was one of the things that like, that was a behavioral thing. | ||
| Where it's like you have to, like when mice couldn't, when they realized they couldn't get out of a box, they just stopped trying. | ||
| But then there were certain mice that they gave, I think a chemical to that would keep, that would like just fight, fight, fight, fight until they died. | ||
| But that was the thing of like, okay, like I wasn't getting that a month ago. | ||
| That learned victim mentality, that's a groove that's like carved in people and some people it's become so prominent that they just automatically drop right into that and then they're a victim. | ||
| And they search for that and then they use it for arguments. | ||
| They also use it in arguments, like they become a victim in the argument. | ||
| It's super common and it's so self-defeating but it's so a normal part of like really weak thinking. | ||
| Yeah, but having said that, some of weak thinking is as chemical a problem as fucking diabetes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And also, not everybody has the same exact fucking childhood and growing up. | ||
| Experiences so your your formative experiences that you're having with its shaping your personality What giant percentage of them are completely out of your control? | ||
| Yeah, and how arrogant is it to assume that everybody had the experiences that you had so you've gotten through them Yeah, everybody else Henry Rollins needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not fucking shoot themselves like Robin Williams that pussy fucking pussy Yeah, I mean that's the crazy. | ||
| Well that's like when people say it's like a a Depression is like a strength thing. | ||
| If you're talking about mental fortitude, I've got a pretty good track record of shit I've done. | ||
| Same with Robin Williams. | ||
| Fucking not easy what he's done. | ||
| Fucking write however many hours of stand-up he stole. | ||
| No, but to write a ton of stand-up to be that good an actor, to be just... | ||
| His recall was fucking amazing. | ||
| Like, he's got a good brain, and he's not like a weak guy. | ||
| Well, it's good at some things, at least. | ||
| You know, Mark Gordon, who's a good friend of mine who's a doctor, he's an expert in... | ||
| Traumatic brain injury and recovery from traumatic pain injury. | ||
| Yeah, and one of the things that he talked about he actually wrote a paper about this about people that have gone through Very significant operations where they've been under anesthesia for long periods of time and had like open heart surgery that type of shit There's a large percentage of them that experience some pretty significant depression after it's over and And they think it has to do with hormonal imbalances that occur after these traumatic... | ||
| I've heard that, yeah. | ||
| But some people have like a kind of... | ||
| It seems like Letterman had the opposite. | ||
| Like, he had heart surgery and was like a new man. | ||
| He was just appreciative and shit like that. | ||
| Well, that's true, too. | ||
| You know, some people, they go through these near-death experiences and it wakes them up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they realize, hey, asshole, this is almost over. | ||
| Maybe it's time to be nice to people. | ||
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| Maybe appreciate. | ||
| Smell the flowers. | ||
| You're fucking David Letterman, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go out and hug some folks, you know? | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| He started taking antidepressants. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| Yeah, it was on Alec Baldwin's podcast. | ||
| He talked about it. | ||
| Alec Baldwin has a podcast? | ||
| Alec Baldwin, he had a podcast. | ||
| I don't know if it came back. | ||
| That guy's got golden pipes, first of all. | ||
| The way he talks. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| This is Alec Baldwin. | ||
| It's a joy to listen to that podcast. | ||
| That's an easy hour right there. | ||
| But his ego would keep me from enjoying a lot of it. | ||
| Don't pay attention to that part. | ||
| You're listening to fucking golden pipes. | ||
| I'll take an ego with pipes like that. | ||
| What if you were paparazzi? | ||
| Would you hold a grudge? | ||
| Yeah, I think that's what made him... | ||
| It was on a public radio station in New York, and they were like, you can't be saying faggot and all that stuff. | ||
| Like, sorry, man. | ||
| Can't say it. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| But yeah, so he was talking about it on Alex's podcast, and it was like, he went on them shortly after that. | ||
| I think he had shingles, too. | ||
| And he was just miserable. | ||
| And they were like, go on it. | ||
| And he's like, really? | ||
| And he said, like, it's, I don't know what the analogy was, but he's like, it was just like, it was like, I had clumpy hair that I couldn't get a comb through, and now I could get the comb through it or something. | ||
| I don't remember what the, but something similar to that. | ||
| But he's kind of chubby, and he doesn't look like he exercises, and I bet he doesn't eat right. | ||
| Letterman? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, no, I'm talking about Letterman. | ||
| I thought you were talking about Al Baldwin. | ||
| No, Letterman. | ||
| Letterman talked about it on Alex's podcast. | ||
| Oh, Al Baldwin's not on antidepressants. | ||
| No, he's on podcasts. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, Letterman also, this is post-open-heart surgery? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I'd heard stories about him where he was, you know, I'd hear stories where he wouldn't be happy with the monologue and he'd just be banging his head against the wall. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that too. | ||
| I heard that from my friend who's his assistant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He fucking hated everything he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why he was the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just the way it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He would, yeah. | ||
| There's a story in that late night book, The Late Shift, that I think it was in that book, but Peter LaSalle had a big house in Malibu. | ||
| Who's Peter LaSalle? | ||
| He was the exec producer of The Tonight Show and like an exec producer on Late Night with David Letterman and then he became one on the new one too. | ||
| So he was sort of like Letterman's go-between for Johnny. | ||
| And he had a beautiful... | ||
| And Letterman was like, man, I could never have a house like this. | ||
| And he goes, you make ten times the money I make. | ||
| Like, you could totally, and he's like, really? | ||
| Like, it just never occurred to him that things were good, and he could do well. | ||
| Another thing, I'm more apt to cry now as well. | ||
| In a good way. | ||
| Not like, like I saw Inside Out and cried. | ||
| Aww. | ||
| Which isn't like a good, yeah, sweet. | ||
| But, uh, but like... | ||
| So you feel more? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So far. | ||
| I'm happy for you, dude. | ||
| Or you get addicted and die. | ||
| I think it's awesome. | ||
| I'm happy for you. | ||
| Yeah, I'm happy for myself. | ||
| And I appreciate you coming on here and talking about it. | ||
| Well, no, yeah, I, cause it's fucking, cause the thing with therapy that it's very, first of all, people don't know it's very hard to find a good therapist. | ||
| Like, people are too quick to go, like, yeah, they're fine. | ||
| You gotta shop around, which people don't realize, and with antidepressants you gotta shop around. | ||
| And if none of them work, keep looking for other shit. | ||
| Like, don't just go, I can't do it. | ||
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| So, yeah. | ||
| But I look forward to the rest of my life, Joe. | ||
| I look forward to hanging out with you, Neil Brennan. | ||
| You're a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| I appreciate it, man. | ||
| You too. | ||
| I appreciate you coming on. | ||
| I appreciate you talking about this. | ||
| It takes a lot of courage. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No problem. | ||
| Neil motherfucking Brennan. | ||
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Follow him on Twitter and Instagram. | |
| Any website? | ||
| You got a website? | ||
| NeilBrennan.com. | ||
| I don't know what's going on there. | ||
| It's filled with like raccoons and shit at this point. | ||
| Nobody uses websites anymore. | ||
| Websites are all like social media. | ||
| Social media is too effective. | ||
| Alright, fuckers. | ||
| We'll be back with podcast number 666 on Monday. | ||
| And who's the guest? | ||
| Duncan Trussell, of course. | ||
| Pray Satan or Allah or whoever you like. | ||
| Alright, love you fuckers. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
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