May 20, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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We're good? | |
| We're live. | ||
| Is that echo thing going on anymore? | ||
| We killed that. | ||
| We good? | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Thanks for coming on. | ||
| So you got this hat on. | ||
| Nick Kurson, am I saying the last name correctly? | ||
| Kurson. | ||
| Kurson, yeah, like Kurson Hav. | ||
| You train Rafael dos Anjos, Ruslan Provodnikov, and you've got his hat on, Ruslan's hat on. | ||
| And it says, what does it say again? | ||
| It says, Ratsy Borat. | ||
| And in Russian, I believe that translates to something like young warrior or young fighter or something like that. | ||
| It's funny because I ran into a couple of Russians the other day and asked them if they knew what it meant. | ||
| And they didn't even know. | ||
| They just knew the last part was fighter and they didn't know what the first part meant. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| That guy is a character. | ||
| Provodnikov is one of my favorite fighters to watch because he can't be in a boring fight. | ||
| He doesn't have it in him. | ||
| I mean, that guy fights like the most exciting style of fighting in boxing today. | ||
| He just comes at you. | ||
| You know, he's just an animal. | ||
| Unfortunately, he takes a little too much punishment, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's almost too brave. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, almost too brave and too tough. | ||
| But fucking that fight with Matisse? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That was insanity. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That was what everybody was hoping Floyd Mayweather would be. | ||
| Mayweather Pacquiao. | ||
| That's what everybody was hoping it would be. | ||
| I was like, you guys are out of your mind. | ||
| You don't know what you're about to watch. | ||
| You guys are spending millions of dollars. | ||
| It's going to be like the biggest gate ever. | ||
| And what you're going to watch is a Floyd Mayweather exhibition on movement and jabbing and straight rights, lead right hands, clinch, get out of the way. | ||
| I mean, that's what you're going to say. | ||
| That's exactly what it was. | ||
| But Provodnikov, God! | ||
| How do you think the guys feel that tuned into the Chavez Jr. fight that night and missed the Matisse-Provonica fight? | ||
| They were silly. | ||
| They fucked up. | ||
| I watched both. | ||
| I mean, that's the beautiful thing about DVRs. | ||
| Chavez Jr. looks like he's phoning it in. | ||
| He just does not look like the same guy. | ||
| When he was younger and much more exciting and just looked like a real promising future champion. | ||
| He just doesn't have the volume anymore. | ||
| It doesn't look like he's in shape. | ||
| Fighting much heavier, right? | ||
| Yeah, that Matisse and Provanica fight with something else. | ||
| So you're a strength and conditioning coach, and one of the reasons why I wanted to call you in here is because I am absolutely fascinated by the Marinovichs, the guys who Taught you a lot of what you know and I'm also fascinated by just the boundaries of human potential when it comes to strength and conditioning because as As an analyst as a guy who sits there and watches fights and I've seen I don't even know how many fights but I've probably professionally called Several | ||
| thousand fights at this point. | ||
| I don't even know how many it's been really. | ||
| It's been at least 1500 or something of the best fights ever, right? | ||
| And you start seeing things over and over and over again and occasionally there's these outliers And these outliers are guys who just have way more gas than anybody else. | ||
| Guys who have way more ability to push deep into the fourth and fifth rounds. | ||
| And you wonder how much of what we're seeing in terms of what a fighter can do inside the octagon or inside the ring, how much of it is how much endurance they have. | ||
| And I maintain that it's a significant amount. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think it's everything. | ||
| It might be 90% of it or something. | ||
| At least. | ||
| Because it seems like everybody is pretty skillful once they get to the upper levels of the UFC. When you're dealing with a Pettis or a Dos Anjos or, you know, all across the board. | ||
| When you hit those high-level guys, they're all very skillful. | ||
| Some are better at certain aspects of fighting than others. | ||
| But it seems like the ones who can win and win the way Pettis and Dos Anjos went down, the way Dos Anjos just dominated Pettis. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have to have a fucking insane gas tank. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen my Instagram and seen some of the videos. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Oh, you did? | ||
| Yeah, I'm fascinated by it. | ||
| So, yeah, Rafael, when he first came to me, this was after the Cerrone fight, he'd tried several other strength and conditioning coaches, and after he came to me about two or three workouts in, he's like, wow, this is already amazing. | ||
| I feel the difference. | ||
| And that's when I began to assess, like, a long-term plan. | ||
| So when I first get a new athlete, I don't just look at the immediate fight. | ||
| I look where I want him to be about a year from now, six months from now, three or four fights from now, whatever. | ||
| But I kind of knew some things that were holding him back and areas that weren't trained properly that we needed to rectify. | ||
| What do you see when you start working out with a guy? | ||
| How do you analyze it? | ||
| First of all, you know what I'd like to do? | ||
| This is something that the Marinovichs did with BJ Penn. | ||
| First thing they did was they got a heart rate monitor on him. | ||
| And then they put him through sparring to find out what areas taxed him the most. | ||
| And then that's what they would kind of design the camp towards. | ||
| So, you know, if wrestling taxes you the most, then that's the energy system we need to train the most for you. | ||
| So, you know, like with BJ, he never had any problem with his long-term aerobic... | ||
| It was always his anaerobic energy systems. | ||
| So it was always sprinting. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It was always the big bursts. | ||
| Yeah, short bursts and long bursts. | ||
| Exactly, the entire amount. | ||
| The issue is the recovery from short bursts? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So if your anaerobic systems aren't trained properly, you won't get that recovery in between the bursts. | ||
| And some guys will go their entire career without ever correcting that, and you're always going to be in this weird limbo state where you're scared to push it too hard. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Now, you take a guy like Rafael Dos Anjos that had beaten Donald Cerrone. | ||
| So when he came to you, he was already world-class, one of the best fighters in the division. | ||
| I think he was ranked 10th when I started with him. | ||
| So he's a good fighter. | ||
| And that time we began training for the Rustam. | ||
| He was scheduled to fight Rustam Khabib. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And we did pretty much a full training camp. | ||
| We did six weeks of training. | ||
| And then Kabila pulled out, I think, two weeks prior to the fight with a hurt finger or something. | ||
| And so then we had a break for about three weeks in between, and then he got the news that he's going to fight Khabib. | ||
| So he did another full training camp. | ||
| Prior to the Khabib fight, I actually left four weeks before the fight. | ||
| So we stopped strength and conditioning four weeks. | ||
| So he missed the complete peak training phase of the conditioning program. | ||
| Do you think that's one of the reasons why he lost that fight? | ||
| Partially, yeah. | ||
| I feel a little bit of a responsibility for that, sure. | ||
| Also, you have to admit, Khabib Nurmagomedov is a fucking monster. | ||
| He is. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| He's a good fighter. | ||
| I think, and I hate to make excuses, but I think if people understood what Rafael went through before that fight, they would be a little more accepting of the fact that he might kick Khabib's ass the next time they fight. | ||
| A lot of people are already saying Khabib's the new champion. | ||
| Rafael almost had his freaking eye gouged out. | ||
| The whites of his eyes, like this was during the training camp, so he had to take another couple weeks off in the middle of the training camp. | ||
| The whites of his eyes were literally hanging down from a guy's fingernails. | ||
| They were sparring, the guy poked his fingernails into his eyes, and the whites of the eyes, strips of it, were hanging down below his eyelid. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what'd they do to fix that? | ||
| I guess they just trimmed it off. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They just trimmed it off and then let it... | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| You could trim the whites of your eyelid? | ||
| Apparently, yeah. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Raphael's a monster. | ||
| Like, people don't understand. | ||
| Is it because the guy had fingernails? | ||
| He had fingernails, exactly. | ||
| And there's firing, and he went to push him back or something, and two fingers went right into his eye. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| You know, obviously he's not going to put that out there on the internet and show people, hey, look at my fucked up eye. | ||
| He should. | ||
| Well, now, have you seen his ear? | ||
| I don't know if you saw the picture of his ear. | ||
| This is recent? | ||
| No, this is the same thing leading up to the Khabib fight. | ||
| Prior to that, his ear was ripped off in the cage. | ||
| So his ear got stuck in between a couple of the links on the cage. | ||
| Oh, I have seen that picture. | ||
| And his ear was hanging on by a thread. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So this is all going on during training camp. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| One thing after the other. | ||
| And then I leave four weeks out. | ||
| Not to mention he switched to a vegan diet. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, for that fight. | ||
| Why did he do that? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Who told him to do that? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Do you have any response? | ||
| I just ate vegan lunch, by the way. | ||
| So I'm talking shit. | ||
| I eat a lot of vegan food. | ||
| I talk a lot of shit about vegans, but my diet consists mostly of vegan meals and murdered animals. | ||
| I combine those two. | ||
| That's pretty interesting. | ||
| I feel like it's very difficult to get everything you need from just vegetables, but I feel like you really can't eat enough vegetables. | ||
| I think vegetables are super important for you. | ||
| I think that it's one of the main issues that people suffer from when it comes to health and nutrition. | ||
| Even a lot of vegan people, they eat too much breads and pastas and rice and things along those lines. | ||
| I think you need a lot of vegetables. | ||
| I think it's super important for you. | ||
| It changes the way I think and feel. | ||
| Have you ever tried a supplement called DIM? What is it? | ||
| DIM? Yeah. | ||
| No, what is it? | ||
| What does it stand for? | ||
| Diendal Methane. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| And it's supposedly like a concentration of all the cruciferous vegetables, but it helps lower estrogen levels. | ||
| It's got phytoestrogens. | ||
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Really? | |
| So it helps your body metabolize estrogen. | ||
| And I tell you what, it actually works. | ||
| It gives you gnarly gas, but it works. | ||
| I don't know if I'm willing to make that trade-off. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| It's worth it. | ||
| Take it on an empty stomach. | ||
| It's that bad? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Clear out the room, yeah. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Easily, yeah. | ||
| Don't tell certain people that I know that enjoy blowing farts off, folks. | ||
| The other night, my fiancée and my baby woke up. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| I got a two-year-old and he's... | ||
| You woke the baby up? | ||
| Oh, good lord. | ||
| He was laughing. | ||
| Da-da-poopa. | ||
| Da-da-poopa. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It's very funny. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| So who talked Dos Anjos into going vegan? | ||
| You know, I don't know, to be honest. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I think he just kind of, something he wanted to try on his own. | ||
| And if you notice in that fight, he looks quite a bit smaller, too. | ||
| Like, his shoulders look smaller, and he looks... | ||
| Loss of muscle mass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, there's some health benefits to eating a lot of vegetables. | ||
| I just don't, I don't think there's enough evidence to promote veganism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just don't think it's worth, I think the trade-off is too significant. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think your body, I mean, we're omnivores. | ||
| It's just the way it is. | ||
| And especially when you're dealing with high-level athletes that are blowing down a lot of muscle tissue on a regular basis. | ||
| There's a lot of recovery that needs to be done. | ||
| If you're just a regular person going through life without any significant stress on your body, you probably can get through fine with it. | ||
| But I think for high-level athletes, it's very difficult to find a vegan high-level athlete, especially in explosive combat sports. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you don't have anything to do with the diets of your fighters? | ||
| If a guy needs my help, then yeah, I'll do it. | ||
| But a lot of these guys now have nutritionists, so that kind of takes a lot of work off my back, workload off my back. | ||
| It's funny because fighters have a short window of time to be the best, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, a fighter's career, like somebody pointed it out once, I think it was on mixedmartialarts.com, that there's like a nine-year period where a guy can really fight great. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then after that, excuse me, the wheels just sort of start to fall off and just the body can only take so much. | ||
| Fighting, great. | ||
| Do you think that's a mental thing, though? | ||
| Do you think they get too comfortable and they lose their... | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Like, GSP quit at the right time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's got all these, like, GQ magazine things coming up, and I don't know how much money that guy's worth now, but he doesn't need to fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, maybe the same thing happened with BJ. Maybe he quit a little too late. | ||
| But, yeah, I think once they get too comfortable, I think then it's over. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
| I think the mental strain of camps is absolutely brutal on these guys. | ||
| I mean, you would know as good as anybody. | ||
| You know, I've been to high-level training camps. | ||
| I've watched guys go at it. | ||
| I've watched guys do their strength and conditioning routines, and it's fucking ungodly. | ||
| I barely can get through a fucking yoga class. | ||
| You know, these guys are doing two-a-days and strength and conditioning in the morning. | ||
| Beating the fuck out of each other at night and going home and exhausted. | ||
| One of the things that BJ said about training with the Marinovichs was it was just too much. | ||
| His performances were legendary. | ||
| Legendary. | ||
| So was the training really too much or had BJ had enough? | ||
| That's the question I would ask. | ||
| It's a good point. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| By the time the Marinoviches got a hold of him, he'd already had a 10-plus year career. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But you look at that Diego Sanchez fight, I maintain there's very few people ever that fought at 155 that could fuck with BJ when he was in that mode. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Goddamn, he was a killer then. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's funny because I just talked to Gary Marinovich about this the other day, you know, just to clarify why, what happened with those guys. | ||
| And it came down to what Gary explained to me was they'd reached a point in training where they were doing their strength training in the morning, then they had, you know, the sparring was going on in the afternoons, and PJ approached them and, you know, he wasn't like a dick about it or anything. | ||
| He was totally cool, like, hey, like, you know, How would you guys feel if we did the strength training on another day so I can do my sparring, you know, and I'm fresh for sparring? | ||
| And I think Marvin Gary took that as, you know, he wasn't ready for that. | ||
| He wasn't at that level yet where they're ready to back off the conditioning training and let him do that. | ||
| So, I mean, there's a method behind their training and it's very rational. | ||
| So I think the fact that he was questioning them at that point was just like enough. | ||
| Maybe there's some other stuff going on, I don't know, but I think the questioning of their abilities as trainers at that point, like as if they didn't know what they were doing, was enough to turn them off and kind of... | ||
| I think the mindset of fighters when it comes to strength and conditioning versus skill work is that it's very important to stay sharp with the skill work. | ||
| It's very difficult to do that if you're already exhausted from strength and conditioning. | ||
| So how do you find that balance? | ||
| Is it smarter to do the skill work in the morning and then the strength and conditioning later on in the evening? | ||
| How do you find that balance? | ||
| Are we talking about in general here? | ||
| Are we talking about what I would perceive for BJ? Either or. | ||
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Either or. | |
| Okay, like if I was the Marinovichs... | ||
| If I was the Marinovichs, I probably would have done the same thing. | ||
| And maybe tone down the sparring a little bit. | ||
| BJ's already phenomenally skilled. | ||
| Maybe one of the most skilled fighters we've ever seen in the UFC. I was a fan of his before he was even in the UFC. I told people, this dude, when I saw him at tournaments, he's a blue belt. | ||
| I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu, by the way. | ||
| So, I've seen these guys from the start. | ||
| I said, this kid's going to be freaking phenomenal. | ||
| I said the same thing about Nick Diaz, too, years ago. | ||
| When he was a purple belt, I'd see him at tournaments. | ||
| It was a blue belt, even. | ||
| I'd be like, this guy, when he gets, you watch, he's going to be a fighter, and he's going to be phenomenal. | ||
| Like, tear these guys up. | ||
| So, BJ's skill has never been in question. | ||
| Right there, that tells you, conditioning has always been the issue with BJ. I've never seen him outclassed, like, skill-wise by anybody. | ||
| You know, it's always been strength and conditioning that's cost him his fights. | ||
| What did you think when you saw his last fight with Frankie Edgar, when he adopted that very strange style? | ||
| I was blown away at how stupid that was. | ||
| I mean, that was just ridiculous. | ||
| Like, why would you... | ||
| Freddie Roach, I just had this conversation with Freddie Roach about a month ago. | ||
| He told me BJ Penn was one of the best boxers he's ever trained. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Like, even out of the boxers in the gym. | ||
| BJ Penn was one of the best natural boxers he's ever trained. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| For folks who don't know what we're talking about, BJ had adopted this very strange style that I've never seen before, where his feet were very close together... | ||
| And he was just moving really weird. | ||
| Standing upright, like a giraffe almost. | ||
| Completely straight up. | ||
| Instead of like the classic style of a stand-up fighter. | ||
| I mean, there's variables when it comes to stand-up fighting for MMA because you have a more squared-off stance because you want to have your hips in place for takedown defense. | ||
| But the classic stance is shoulders are up high, hands are right by the face, you know, head movement. | ||
| BJ did this weird thing where he looked almost like a guy playing, pretending to be a fighter. | ||
| He was doing this weird... | ||
| And he had said afterwards, which really bothered me, he said that he did it to conserve energy. | ||
| He felt like that conserved energy. | ||
| There it is again. | ||
| I thought he said because his trainers felt that he generated more force that way. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's totally impossible. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| If your conditioning's there, you don't need to worry about conserving energy. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| Okay, so what was the consensus like that made them part ways? | ||
| Because the performances that he put on when he was with the Marinovichs were legendary. | ||
| They really were. | ||
| Some of the best. | ||
| How many fights? | ||
| They did Florian, and then they did the Diego Sanchez fight, and then they left about five weeks out from the Frankie Edgar fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So five weeks. | ||
| This type of training needs to be done pretty much up until the day of the fight. | ||
| So they did train him a little bit for the Frankie Edgar fight? | ||
| Yeah, I think three weeks, maybe four weeks at the most. | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| That's when they had the discussion about changing up the program, like, can we do the conditioning on different days? | ||
| And so they just decided to walk away? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They just felt it wasn't going the way they wanted. | ||
| That was a fight, too. | ||
| Yeah, I think they respected Frankie Edgar. | ||
| They said, this guy's going to be trouble. | ||
| This guy's coming to fight. | ||
| He's got a gas tank. | ||
| He's no pushover, you know. | ||
| He's a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a relentless motherfucker, which shows you how goddamn good Uriah Faber is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they, you know, Uriah's fighting one weight class up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, usually he fights at 135. He's fighting at 145, and they, you know, they went five rounds. | ||
| And, I mean, Frankie won a decision, but there was no point in a fight where he was going to finish Uriah. | ||
| No point where Uriah was in significant trouble. | ||
| You know, they were pretty much going blow for blow. | ||
| But Frankie was getting an edge in basically every round. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I think Frankie is one of the best conditioned guys, and I would love to find out what he does for his strength and conditioning, because he's never fucking tired. | ||
| He's always able to push that same pace every round, and that seems to be what separates the greats, the truly greats, from everybody else underneath them. | ||
| You know, it's funny, a lot of people are talking about the Dos Angeles Pettis fight, but between me and you and the rest of the world, in my opinion, Rafael was in better conditioning, better shape for the Benson Henderson fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| This fight, he was injured. | ||
| So three weeks out, he injured his knee in a sparring accident, and so we had to change things up. | ||
| We couldn't do any more field work. | ||
| We couldn't do any more running or anything like that. | ||
| So we had to kind of modify it. | ||
| And that's when you see I got him doing the sprints on the Airdyne bicycle. | ||
| Pretty much something safe, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I had him at like 12,000 feet elevation. | ||
| Gradually, we built him up to that. | ||
| So we're at high altitude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Benson Henderson fight was incredibly impressive because he was the first guy to ever stop Benson with strikes. | ||
| And, you know, Benson is just notoriously durable, unbelievably tough, big for the weight class, and Dos Anjos just jumped all over him. | ||
| Yeah, destroyed him. | ||
| It was a big fight. | ||
| It was a big, like, whoa. | ||
| This guy's on another level right now. | ||
| That's why it kind of blew my mind, like, why people... | ||
| I hate to keep reminding you, but the closer you get to this, the better it is. | ||
| It sounds good to us, but the recording will be, like, weird. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Do I need to repeat anything? | ||
| No, it's fine. | ||
| Like I said, I think he was in better shape for the Benson-Henderson fight. | ||
| I don't know why people couldn't see this coming. | ||
| Benson's just so good. | ||
| Look at how he handled Thatch. | ||
| Brandon Thatch is fucking huge and a killer. | ||
| That kid's big. | ||
| You ever see how big that kid is in real life? | ||
| He's fucking big. | ||
| He's a good size 185. And as a 170, he's fucking huge. | ||
| And Benson handled him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think people just thought, hey, this is a great fight. | ||
| I mean, I didn't necessarily count Dos Anjos out, but I certainly didn't think he was going to stop him the way he did. | ||
| He just fucking beat his ass, man. | ||
| I thought it was going to be a really good fight. | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| I mean, Henderson, former champion, been there with some of the best ever. | ||
| I thought this was going to be a great fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I kind of knew, like, at the end of the training camp, the difference we'd made in that training camp in terms of speed... | ||
| And power and his stamina I just knew like I knew where he was before and I knew where he was after and I said he's just gonna destroy him like I hope I almost Wanted to go five rounds so he could show like what he was capable of wow yeah Well, that's pretty crazy that he you know when we found out after the Pettis fight where he won the title and just won by just Dominating the champion and a guy who Dana White had been pretty public saying he thought was the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport and And, | ||
| you know, I didn't agree with that necessarily, but I certainly did think the kid was spectacular. | ||
| I mean, the way he stopped Donald Cerrone, the way he stopped Joe Lozon, I mean, he was capable of just unleashing these kicks out of nowhere to put people away. | ||
| He's just fucking good. | ||
| The way he armbarred Benson, I mean, he's just, and the way he caught Gilbert, too. | ||
| I mean, caught Gilbert in a guillotine, he's fucking good. | ||
| You think he caught Gilbert in that, or do you think it was almost... | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying the fight was rigged or anything, but Gilbert made a terrible mistake. | ||
| I mean, he's sitting on his knees with his head up. | ||
| He'd been tagged. | ||
| That's all it was. | ||
| He'd been hurt. | ||
| If you watch that fight, I watched it several times, Pettis had caught him several times with some pretty hard shots when Gilbert was coming in, because he knew Gilbert's strategy. | ||
| It was no secret. | ||
| Gilbert was just gonna, you know, stay on the outside a little bit, press him up against the cage. | ||
| It's the Clay Guida strategy, essentially, which was his first loss. | ||
| I mean, that was Pettis' first loss in the octagon. | ||
| When he first came to the UFC, he was the WEC champion, and Clay Guida beat him. | ||
| And everybody's like, well, welcome to the UFC, dude. | ||
| And everybody kind of knew, okay, well, this guy at least, at this stage of his career, is vulnerable to something like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Gilbert just didn't have the same tools that Dos Anjos has. | ||
| Dos Anjos is much faster. | ||
| Much faster. | ||
| He's a fucking, he's a dangerous, dangerous guy. | ||
| Right now, yeah, he's extremely dangerous. | ||
| And his conditioning was off the charts. | ||
| And now when you tell me that his knee was hurt three weeks out, and he couldn't do anything but airdyne sprints, that's incredible. | ||
| I mean, that's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, well, they're at high altitude, too, so that's pretty... | ||
| How's he doing it at high altitude? | ||
| Well, I have an altitude simulator. | ||
| I have the hypoxic altitude simulator, not the little Velcro masks, but this is the actual one that thins the air and changes your blood oxygen levels. | ||
| So, I mean, it takes time to build up to that. | ||
| I wouldn't, like, recommend anyone go try it at 12,000 feet right now. | ||
| You're going to have, like, a seizure or something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Maybe an aneurysm. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It took probably three weeks to get him to that point where he was able to sprint on that thing. | ||
| So, I mean, we've been building up for a while. | ||
| And, man, there's things obviously I can't tell you on the air because I don't want to give away too many secrets of people. | ||
| But I tell you, it was rigorous. | ||
| And there was times when I would watch, and I'd want to pull the plug and be like, hey, you know what I mean? | ||
| But you've got to listen to your gut. | ||
| And just keep pushing them and know what they can take. | ||
| Is that a factor, a big factor, when you're working with an athlete that you have to know what this athlete is capable of and where you're gonna break them? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think that's probably the most critical factor. | ||
| I think you hit it right on the head. | ||
| Because it seems like you're dancing that line, man. | ||
| There's a thin line, man. | ||
| And that's the way you get a guy better, right? | ||
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| You gotta get him right to that fucking edge and then pull him back. | ||
| Have you seen the movie Whiplash? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That basically sums it up right there. | ||
| That teacher was so good at what he did. | ||
| He brought out the best. | ||
| Oh, I got the wrong movie in my head. | ||
| You're talking about the music movie. | ||
| No, I didn't see that movie. | ||
| Dude, I'm not going to tell you about it. | ||
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It's insane. | |
| Don't tell me about it, but I saw the ads. | ||
| He's screaming and yelling at somebody. | ||
| I was confused. | ||
| I'm like, how does that factor in? | ||
| I was thinking a totally different movie. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| It's the... | ||
| I was thinking of Crash. | ||
| Oh, Crash. | ||
| It's a totally different movie. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck is he going to make this analogy? | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| No, but that's it. | ||
| The intuition and the eye. | ||
| I believe the eye is the most important in what you see and what your athlete's doing. | ||
| You see the speed deteriorate, then you've gone too far. | ||
| You need to know how to get your gut at peak in every exercise and then cut it off. | ||
| And what's the variability as far as recovery? | ||
| Does everybody, I mean, people must recover at different rates. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It also depends on their past like conditioning too, you know what I mean? | ||
| So like if a guy's never had a certain type of aerobic or anaerobic training in his career, of course it's going to take a few more days to recover. | ||
| It's going to take a lot longer to develop. | ||
| That was one of the things that Uriah Faber said was one of the reasons why his team, that team alpha male, has so few injuries. | ||
| There's some camps that have amazing records as far as their fighters. | ||
| The fighters win great, but they have a giant amount of injuries. | ||
| But his camp, Team Alpha Male, occasionally guys get hurt, like TJ had to pull out of the head and burrow fight because of a broken rib. | ||
| But those are just bones. | ||
| You can only take so much. | ||
| Your bone is like, Benavidez said it best, a rib at the end of the day is just a rib. | ||
| And it can only take so much. | ||
| And when it breaks, it breaks. | ||
| But those guys are always in shape. | ||
| And Uriah was saying that it's like a lifestyle thing. | ||
| That they never get out of shape. | ||
| They're always training very hard. | ||
| They're always in peak condition. | ||
| So it's not about having to get into shape. | ||
| They're already in shape. | ||
| Well, I'd also wonder what kind of strength training they're doing. | ||
| And two to stay. | ||
| I mean, if they're doing heavy weightlifting and you're doing that year-round, you're going to get fucked up. | ||
| It's just going to happen. | ||
| It destroys the muscular equilibrium. | ||
| It's been proven. | ||
| So... | ||
| If you've got a good program and it helps maintain the health of the athletes, then that's something. | ||
| Now when you say that heavy weightlifting destroys the equilibrium of the athlete, what exactly do you mean by that? | ||
| So what I mean by that is, let's say you're doing bicep curls, for example, and you're doing heavy weightlifting, you're doing heavy bicep curls, you're shortening that bicep. | ||
| Right? | ||
| We know that as the muscle gets bigger, it gets shorter because of the cross-bridging. | ||
| So when you shorten one muscle, you lengthen the opposite muscle. | ||
| And that puts the joint and the tendons and ligaments at risk for injury. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| So if you do, like say if you're doing something along the lines of bicep curls, it must be critical that you do tricep extensions or dips or something along those lines. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But what's even more important is to engage the tendons and ligaments. | ||
| The elastic components of the connective tissue. | ||
| So the muscular tendon unit as a whole. | ||
| And now that's a whole nother level. | ||
| It requires a certain amount of eccentric overload. | ||
| Eccentric would be like the movement coming downward. | ||
| Like when you do a bench press, the negative portion of that, that's the eccentric portion of the lift, has to come down with approximately 40% greater force downward than it goes up to maintain muscular equilibrium. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| Well, biometrics. | ||
| Like, plyometrics are a perfect example of that. | ||
| So, like, you would not just incorporate bench press, you would do... | ||
| Like a plyometric bench press. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I don't know if you have video or anything like that. | ||
| You can probably see it on my Instagram. | ||
| You've probably seen BJ Penn doing it too. | ||
| So, plyometric bench press. | ||
| Yeah, as opposed to a traditional bench press. | ||
| And what happens with that is, I can describe it if he brings it up, or I can describe it now if you like. | ||
| Do you see anything on Instagram? | ||
| Is it, uh, Speed of Sport? | ||
| Yeah, you can go, yeah, Instagram Speed of Sport, and then if you scroll down, you might see one. | ||
| Alright, he'll find it here. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Plyometric Ballistic Bench Press. | ||
| I don't know if I'd use that one, to be honest. | ||
| No? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know, let's check it out. | ||
| Is that somebody else? | ||
| Uh, yeah, that's not me, no, no, no. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Let's see this guy. | ||
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Uh... | |
| He's throwing it? | ||
| A little too slow on the way down. | ||
| Uh, you can type in Speed of Sport on YouTube and you can find it, too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| If you click on that one right there. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| You'll see a couple of the- Marinovich training systems. | ||
| Yeah, you'll see a couple of the guys. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Some serious fucking jumps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that a girl? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| No. | ||
| Is this a dude with crazy hair? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, that's the most badass chick of all time. | ||
| If you find a chick who can jump like that, that's like the Ronda Rousey of box jumpers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that looks like a girl. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Up until you go, wait, what has she been doing with her endocrine system? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| These are crazy jumps, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this kid came to me. | ||
| This was about five weeks after a grade two ankle sprain. | ||
| So you can see the heels don't even touch there. | ||
| It's just all balls of the feet and the toes. | ||
| So this is similar to what like an iso, excuse me, a plyometric bench press would look like, but we're doing it with the feet right there. | ||
| So these jumps, like you're big obviously on explosive movements. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| So this thing is, I've seen this on the BJ Penn training things. | ||
| This kid is sitting with his back, he's lying on his back rather, but his butt has a bounce ball under it and then there's this padded thing above him that he keeps kicking up. | ||
| And what's the philosophy behind that? | ||
| First of all, you learn how to control your limb better. | ||
| When you're upside down like that and there's no load, you get greater control of your limb. | ||
| At the same time, you can work the full extension of the foot, which is crucial in pretty much every sport. | ||
| So he's catching these, he's got these things for arms too now. | ||
| So that's like a plyometric movement right there for the upper body right there. | ||
| So it's explosive. | ||
| Now, what's interesting is that these, other than this particular exercise, those are machines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And a lot of people have this idea. | ||
| Right here. | ||
| This one, Joe, right there. | ||
| Okay, so this is the bench. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so you catch it with your hands. | ||
| There's pads. | ||
| So he's throwing it off. | ||
| So he's maximizing his contraction as it comes off. | ||
| He's not shorting his reach. | ||
| He's got to produce a great amount of force to throw that off his fingers. | ||
| That last thing he did was crazy. | ||
| His balance ball thing? | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| That's some incredible movement. | ||
| He's a three-time national champion for Taekwondo. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That kid is ridiculously flexible. | ||
| Look at that fucking leg. | ||
| What's that kid's name? | ||
| Ryan Tucker. | ||
| Wow, where is he out of? | ||
| Uh, Torrance, California. | ||
| And he's a national Taekwondo champion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's, you know, Taekwondo has its faults, but goddamn, when it comes to leg dexterity, some of those guys have the most unbelievable leg dexterity. | ||
| And if you could teach them all the other skills, Muay Thai, wrestling, all this stuff, they have such a weird advantage with their legs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, looking at that guy, how many fucking people can do that? | ||
| Not many. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Not with that kind of range of motion. | ||
| And he's doing it with ankle weights on? | ||
| Is that what's going on there? | ||
| How much pounds? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Probably like two and a half pounds. | ||
| Which is very light. | ||
| Yeah, just enough to get a stretch out of the muscle. | ||
| Okay, so that's what you're trying to do. | ||
| Yeah, the whole method here is a stretch shortening cycle. | ||
| So you want to stretch the muscle before you shorten it. | ||
| So stretch it before you contract it. | ||
| So like Planometrics do the same thing. | ||
| They put the tendons, ligaments, and muscle on stretch, and then it snaps back with greater force. | ||
| So that's called the stretch shortening cycle. | ||
| So now, the benefit of that is it trains fast twitch at a speed also that's relevant to the sport. | ||
| So if you're not training at the speed of sport, you're training any slower than that, you're training slow twitch. | ||
| You're doing a detrimental exercise for your sport. | ||
| So anytime you're doing like a heavy lift that's slow, you think that that's bad for the sport? | ||
| Absolutely, without a doubt. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Well, it is, but it makes sense. | ||
| The best athletes are the ones that have the highest rate of force development. | ||
| The ones that can produce the greatest amount of force in the least amount of time. | ||
| So that means like a guy that can, you know, I don't know jump and touch his head on the ceiling versus a guy you know in a split second versus a guy would take him three or four seconds to get up there right so that would be the comparison between a plyometric bench press like I just showed you on the video there as compared to like a 225 250 pound bench press so you're a big fan of doing everything just exploding and everything absolutely that's interesting because there is a school of thought especially along with jujitsu guys where they like super | ||
| slow training and Yeah. | ||
| Where they do like a chin-up and each chin-up takes like 15-20 seconds. | ||
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| Have you seen that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Pretty much that's an isotonic contraction. | ||
| I don't see how that even helps jujitsu at all either. | ||
| Well, the idea is that if you get someone's back and you're working the choke, you know, like your arms might gas out, but this way they won't. | ||
| Matt, I'll tell you right now, as soon as... | ||
| The whole thing with BJ Penn opened my eyes to so many different things. | ||
| And what I felt when I was training with him was there was no strength. | ||
| His technique was so precisely timed that he needed absolutely no strength. | ||
| Literally no strength. | ||
| It was more about timing and the speed at which he moved. | ||
| And so if you're squeezing a guy, maybe you need to brush up on your technique a little bit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| You've trained with John Jock, I take it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay, when I started jiu-jitsu, I started with Hickson Gracie. | ||
| I was there for three years. | ||
| I got my blue belt from Hickson. | ||
| And then I went to the Machado School in Redondo Beach. | ||
| And I went there at a time when you show up on Saturdays, John Jock, John, Hegan, Hodger, they're all on the mat there training with the students. | ||
| Plus, you have Bob Bass, you have Rick Williams, you have all these great black belts underneath them who are there training with all the students. | ||
| Def. | ||
| And so, dude, how can you beat that? | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You show up and these guys have these red things on their black belt. | ||
| You're like, what the heck is this, man? | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| What planet is this? | ||
| Are these guys good? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, but you've trained with John Jock. | ||
| You feel how he just... | ||
| Effortless. | ||
| Whatever you do, it's like you do it to yourself. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It was the same thing with BJ Penn. | ||
| It's like I was a decent black belt. | ||
| I was okay when I first got my black belt. | ||
| And then after training with BJ and those guys, man, being in that training camp, it completely opened my mind to, fuck, I've been doing everything wrong for the last 20 years. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Forcing things. | ||
| I was forcing everything. | ||
| My workouts, I was forcing everything. | ||
| I was pushing myself to the limit. | ||
| I was lifting heavy weights. | ||
| I could squat 425 pounds. | ||
| I could bench 305. I weighed 168 pounds. | ||
| So people can talk to me all they want about weightlifting, but I tell you right now, I am far stronger than I've ever been. | ||
| I might not look it, but... | ||
| You look great. | ||
| Don't be hard on yourself. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| You don't think I'm into a nose job or anything? | ||
| No, you look wonderful. | ||
| You're a handsome man. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It's the way the body moves as a unit as compared to weightlifting which actually fragments muscle groups. | ||
| So things along the lines of like bench presses and curls and things along those lines? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| In a sense it's detraining the body. | ||
| But what about guys who want to bulk up? | ||
| Like Mackie Shillstone when he trained to Vander Holyfield to get him up to heavyweight and he had him do all this crazy weightlifting stuff. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| A lot of that's genetics. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| A lot of that's Mexican supplements. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Very well. | ||
| But I think genetics play a huge role in that and what your frame can handle. | ||
| There's an optimal size for your frame. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, guys, I've seen all too many times guys have put on more muscle than their body can handle and their performance deteriorates. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Evander was a fairly big guy already. | ||
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| So he can handle it with his frame. | ||
| Plus, yeah, you have to look at the genetics of the athlete, too. | ||
| But if you take a guy like, perfect example, maybe like Michael Jordan. | ||
| When Michael Jordan was playing against the Pistons, like one of the things he realized, like, Jesus fuck, I'm getting pushed around, I'm getting my ass kicked. | ||
| I gotta bulk up. | ||
| When a guy wants to bulk up, there's very few ways to bulk up other than lifting heavy, right? | ||
| I would say... | ||
| No. | ||
| First of all, let me say this. | ||
| I think there's too much of an emphasis on getting bigger. | ||
| And it might have been more advisable to train your body. | ||
| Maybe there were certain weaknesses in his hips or his feet or lower back or obliques that were making him weaker. | ||
| I've seen plenty of guys whose bodies are working as a unit, like with the type of training that I offer, that can literally bully guys that are way bigger, more muscular, and it all comes down to the efficiency of the movement. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But a guy, like, here's a good example. | ||
| A guy like Brock Lesnar, you can't get that fucking big unless you're throwing some really heavy shit around. | ||
| Yeah, or taking Mexican supplements. | ||
| A little bit of both. | ||
| A little bit of both, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you're absolutely right. | ||
| I mean, there is... | ||
| But again, it... | ||
| Then again, look at a guy like Cain Velasquez who beat him with more or less the BJ Penn approach. | ||
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| You look at Cain, when Cain's throwing a punch, you never see like... | ||
| There's no tension. | ||
| That's the efficiency. | ||
| That's actually a good point because that's been proven that... | ||
| Repetitive bouts of absolute strength training, which is like your maximum strength training, like maximum bench press, the heavy lifts, will deteriorate a boxer's punching power and accuracy. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's been proven by the Russians. | ||
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Deteriorate? | |
| That's fascinating. | ||
| And it can last for up to several months. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Okay, so like say if a guy goes through your conventional strength program, deadlifts, bench press, that can deteriorate his punching power. | ||
| Because it deteriorates the speed strength qualities. | ||
| There's different types of strength. | ||
| Speed strength is one that emphasizes speed. | ||
| It would be like maybe like 60% speed, 40% strength. | ||
| Like if I had to put a ratio on it. | ||
| The emphasis is primarily on speed. | ||
| Every sport is won by a fraction of a second just about. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like even like a basketball team that's dominating the entire season. | ||
| There's something about every play that might be one thousandth of a second faster than the other teams that's making them better. | ||
| And then at the end, it's cumulative. | ||
| It all adds up and it compounds on top of each other. | ||
| So at the end of the game, it's a mismatch. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So even the Pettis fight was closer than people think. | ||
| It was a fraction of a second difference between Rafael's striking and Pettis' striking. | ||
| Every time? | ||
| Every time. | ||
| And that compounds and compounds and compounds. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's a funny way to look at it, but I think you're right. | ||
| You know, when he landed that straight left in the first round, and you see Pettis' head snap back, I was stunned, first of all, by the speed in which he threw that shot. | ||
| I was very impressed with his speed, but also... | ||
| That, you know, he was able to keep that speed up through the fourth and fifth rounds. | ||
| I mean when he nailed him in the first round, I mean Pettis said from then on he was having a hard time seeing out of that eye. | ||
| He was getting pretty much fucked from then on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was super impressive because if you go back and watch his earlier fights, like go back and watch him against Jeremy Stephens early in his career where he lost by knockout, like the THE Stephens highlight reel, He just was a different guy. | ||
| Different fucking human being. | ||
| I mean, very few guys, when you look at their early UFC career and then look at their peak performance, which Dos Anjos clearly is in his peak. | ||
| He just won the title against one of the best guys ever in that division. | ||
| But he's a different human being all around. | ||
| The funny thing is, I don't really read too much on the internet, but I had to with this one, you know, with people saying PEDs and all this shit. | ||
| I see comments, there's no strength training program that can do that. | ||
| If you look, it's been going on for a year, you know, we've been building it up. | ||
| So if you compare, like I said, like his fight with Cerrone, he's really stiff. | ||
| He told me himself by the third round he was like gassy, he was fatigued. | ||
| And so this isn't like one training camp. | ||
| I mean, this has been going on for a year of really good training where he and I are training like three or four times a week. | ||
| I mean, you know, granted, except for the times in between fights when he's got his downtime. | ||
| But I mean, he's been very consistent with it. | ||
| And after about three months of this is when you see the tendons, ligaments, and everything really start working as a unit, and that's when the power and everything really come into play. | ||
| So say if you took a guy, like, let's just pull a guy out of the roster. | ||
| Let's go with Matt Matreon, big heavyweight, fast guy, moves really well for a heavyweight. | ||
| What would you do with a guy like that? | ||
| First thing, the guy comes to me the first day, I'm going to do muscle tests on him and find out what's going on with his body and find out if there's any types of weaknesses like in his feet and the rotational power of his hips, lower back, especially a big guy, lower back and lower abdominal cavity, flexibility in his shoulders. | ||
| I can't stress that enough for punching power. | ||
| There's an optimal range of motion where you produce the greatest amount of force in all of your joints. | ||
| I mean, that's pretty easy to understand, right? | ||
| So if my shoulder flexibility is here, I'm going to lose speed. | ||
| If it's tense. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If it's too short, you're going to lose speed. | ||
| Too long, you're going to lose speed. | ||
| Too long? | ||
| Yeah, there's too flexible. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, there's too much slack in the muscle. | ||
| So, how would a guy get too flexible in his shoulders? | ||
| Some people are born with that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That can be a genetic thing. | ||
| Or, like, swimmers tend to have a lot of flexibility in the shoulders. | ||
| But, I mean, for their sport, that's okay because they're kind of dragging that resistance, that slower resistance. | ||
| But for a snap in the muscle, there's got to be just the right amount of tension in order for that muscle to activate at its quickest. | ||
| So if it's too long, imagine like a rubber band. | ||
| If there's slack in the rubber band, you can't get the snap out of it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I see. | ||
| I see. | ||
| And then does that make one more prone to injuries as well? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It can cause joint instability, impingement, all kinds of stuff like that. | ||
| I've heard of that with knees. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that goes back to the muscular equilibrium thing I was talking about. | ||
| So let's imagine you're doing heavy front squats every day or like three times a week, you know, 80% of your one rep max or whatever, and you're doing your maxes on one every other week or whatever. | ||
| You're developing those quadriceps at the expense of the hamstrings. | ||
| It's not even a running movement, really. | ||
| Just a front squat. | ||
| That's just a movement up and down. | ||
| That's good for like putting groceries on the top of a shelf or something like that. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So yeah, you're going to shorten those quadricep muscles. | ||
| You're going to build them and make them bigger and shorter. | ||
| And what happens with the hamstring? | ||
| It gets longer and weaker. | ||
| So now you've got an imbalance between the two. | ||
| So if someone was going to do front squats, they would have to do something to compensate for that? | ||
| Like maybe some sort of a deadlift, straight leg deadlift or something that hamstring oriented? | ||
| Again, then you're training the hamster. | ||
| You know, let's put it this way. | ||
| It depends on the sport they're going to do. | ||
| But if it's a fighter, I'm not going to have them doing that. | ||
| No squats? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not practical for the sport. | ||
| One of the most vital elements for fighting, in my opinion, and is neglected, is the feet. | ||
| Like you hear Marv talk about the feet. | ||
| I talk about the feet all the time. | ||
| The strength in the feet and what it does for the nervous system are crucial for athletic performance, and yet it's like one of the most neglected areas. | ||
| The feet, like the neural impulses, so the sensory and motor nerves are very highly active in the forefoot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this can actually help speed up your reflexes by hyper-training the feet on different planes, like balance exercises and stuff like that. | ||
| We'll actually speed up that circuitry between the reaction between the foot and the spinal cord through, you know, as you speed up the neural impulses. | ||
| Speed up the neural impulses by strengthening the feet. | ||
| By... | ||
| With, like, reactive exercises like balance exercises on, like, slant boards and discs and stuff that force the feet to stay reactive. | ||
| Like, for example, that reaction can kind of relay into the whole body, you know, can affect the entire body. | ||
| Like, if you've ever been ice skating or something and you slip, like, your hands are already like, well, you know what I mean? | ||
| They're already reacting before your brain even has time to think. | ||
| It's because it's processed in the spinal cord. | ||
| It doesn't even get processed in the brain. | ||
| Your reaction from your lower limbs can actually be processed in the lower portion of your spinal cord and right back out to your limbs. | ||
| So your body has... | ||
| It's like a safety mechanism. | ||
| So your body has sort of a fail-safe? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's like, hey, there's no weight on the feet. | ||
| Put your fucking hands out, dude! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But your brain doesn't even know that's going on. | ||
| Too late. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If it did, it would have to... | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Okay, I see. | ||
| So by hyper-training the feet, you keep the body in sort of a ready state for reaction. | ||
| And, you know, it's like manipulating the safety device to increase sports performance. | ||
| The guys at the Onnit gym were telling me that Cub Swanson does virtually all of his workouts on a balance board. | ||
| He does either a balance board or a balance ball, like everything he does is all... | ||
| Yeah, and he's extremely athletic. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you're doing these heavy lifting, it deadens that impulse. | ||
| It slows it down. | ||
| And not to mention you're neglecting the forefoot. | ||
| All these exercises are pretty much done on the heel. | ||
| You know, I was squatting. | ||
| I remember you're taught to press through the heel. | ||
| Deadlifting, the same thing. | ||
| So you're training over and over these movements that are not practical for a sports movement, which pretty much every sport is played on the forefoot. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Like, you never really, in a sport, you very rarely push off the back of the foot. | ||
| You're kind of moving forward when you're punching the back heels off the ground. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And so, knowing that, it's kind of like, why are we doing this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's improper training. | ||
| I mean, it really makes sense. | ||
| Like, Marv's been preaching this for years, you know, and people just kind of scoff at it, and you say, oh, no, I've got to get my heavy back squat in. | ||
| Yeah, that's fine, but maybe this can help you with it. | ||
| You know, start training the feet, looking at what we're talking about here, and the sequence of muscles that you're going to start firing when you do start training the feet. | ||
| How's this? | ||
| A better option for squatting would be a front squat. | ||
| And now let's say you take a couple 45-pound plates and you put them under the balls of your feet. | ||
| So now you're engaging more of a sports movement. | ||
| You're on the balls of your feet and you're loading up the front instead of the back. | ||
| Back squat is technically a lower back exercise. | ||
| It really hits the lumbar and hits the lower back a lot. | ||
| The front squat is going to hit more quadriceps, more muscles required for jumping, you know what I mean? | ||
| As well as the core and stabilizing the spine with the abdominals and everything. | ||
| So that's just a thought, like maybe you can do that. | ||
| You think like start thinking in that process where you're training from the feet up, the forefoot up, not just the heels, but the forefoot up and you'll start connecting different muscles required for sports movements. | ||
| We were talking before the podcast that I'm really getting into yoga recently, the last couple weeks. | ||
| I've been into it. | ||
| And one of the things that is really shocking to me is how much my feet hurt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like all the balancing. | ||
| My feet give out before a lot of other stuff. | ||
| But I do so many things barefoot. | ||
| I lift barefoot, I kickbox, jujitsu, all that stuff's barefoot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But for whatever reason, Like, just standing there, holding your foot up in the air and stretching out. | ||
| My foot is the one that's having a hard time dealing with all that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty interesting. | ||
| Well, obviously I have weak feet in some weird way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just, it was never tested before. | ||
| The problem with that is, when you do have weakness in the feet, other things start to compensate, like your hips. | ||
| Your hips start to compensate for the weakness in the feet. | ||
| I see a lot of guys with flat feet, they have poor hip abduction and adduction, or tight hamstrings. | ||
| Flat-footed guys, Almost always are a little hamstring dominant when they're sprinting. | ||
| They're good at the acceleration phase, but the top speed is lacking. | ||
| I have flat feet. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you get tight in the hamstrings? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| That might be the exception to the rule. | ||
| We'll have very flexible hamstrings. | ||
| Probably the weed. | ||
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Weed? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You think? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's my hamstrings. | ||
| No, I'm just kidding. | ||
| No, I just grew up doing Taekwondo, so I think I have a lot of hamstring flexibility. | ||
| So for whatever reason, I don't have tension back there. | ||
| But I definitely have flat feet. | ||
| Kelly Starr, you know Kelly? | ||
| He wrote that book, The Supple Leopard. | ||
| Is he the CrossFit guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wrote a book called The Supple Leopard. | ||
| He doesn't even believe in flat feet. | ||
| He said it's like you're sort of almost like learning from people around you to walk and stand a certain way, and it's almost like a laziness of the posture of your foot. | ||
| To paraphrase him. | ||
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Well, I don't know. | |
| I'd have to read it thoroughly and see what I think. | ||
| He thinks that you could retrain someone to have a high arch. | ||
| Oh, you can, absolutely. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I've done it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| So for a guy like me? | ||
| For a guy like you, like I said, like the balancing type exercises we have and the foot strengthening modalities that we use, well, definitely... | ||
| Man, I challenge you to try this. | ||
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Okay. | |
| If you try like a calf raise, or you can go on like a seated leg press, and don't put any weight on there. | ||
| Just do a few with your shoes on. | ||
| Okay, then take your shoes on and try a few without your shoes and really accentuate the movement in the toes to the tip of the toe, not just to the pad of the toe, but to the tip of the toe, and see the difference you feel in your Achilles and your calves. | ||
| Okay, and I guarantee you it's going to blow you away. | ||
| Tremendous difference when you just use that little bit, that little extra inch of your toes, and you feel it all through the arch of the foot, and you feel it all the way up through the calf. | ||
| It's really something else. | ||
| That's where I always have pain, in the arch of my foot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's always like I got pain there from skiing. | ||
| I get pain there from sometimes hiking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It gives me some pain there. | ||
| Yeah, that's fixable. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Okay, we'll talk about me later in that. | ||
| But a lot of people have issues with that. | ||
| A lot of people have issues with flat feet. | ||
| Do you find that fighters ever have issues plotting? | ||
| Like say if you get a guy and like maybe he's kind of lumbering. | ||
| We all know fighters that just don't move well on their feet. | ||
| For example, Ruslan has the flattest feet I've ever seen in an athlete. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Actually, maybe top three. | ||
| But surprisingly, after this training camp, he had a little bit more strength, and I noticed less of a drop in the arches of his foot. | ||
| And so that says something about what we were doing. | ||
| And there were points in the fight where you can see him bouncing around on his feet, and he looks pretty quick. | ||
| I think even like the 10th or 11th round, he was... | ||
| Popping around on his feet and the announcer said, what is this? | ||
| He's bouncing around his feet. | ||
| He looks quick. | ||
| What's he doing now? | ||
| Is this some kind of strategy or whatever? | ||
| So we made incredible gains in the strength of his feet and his calves. | ||
| Unfortunately, he fights flat-footed. | ||
| He comes at you head first. | ||
| That's just his style. | ||
| Yeah, he was coming on in the later rounds. | ||
| Matisse was cracking him early in that fight. | ||
| That was a war. | ||
| That guy might have the best chin I've ever seen. | ||
| Could very well be. | ||
| He did get hurt. | ||
| He got hurt in one of the rounds and it slowed him down. | ||
| It's hard to not. | ||
| Matisse throws bombs. | ||
| Yeah, he was really pleased with his conditioning, though. | ||
| He actually came by on the way to the Pacquiao fight. | ||
| He flew into LAX and he stopped by my gym and he wanted to give me a bonus. | ||
| He's like, I've never felt like that in a fight. | ||
| Even though I lost, that's the best I've ever felt. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Did you see the urine sample that he gave? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Tasty, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For folks who don't know, if you look on Provodnikoff's Instagram page, there's a photo of his urine sample that looked like Coca-Cola. | ||
| We've showed it a bunch of times on this podcast because it's so fucking crazy. | ||
| I've heard of that before. | ||
| Guys who do ultramarathons. | ||
| My friend Cameron Haynes, he's done an ultramarathon. | ||
| He said you pee like coke. | ||
| Yeah, breaking down muscle and dehydration and all that. | ||
| Kidneys. | ||
| Kidney problems, you know, who knows. | ||
| So that fight was just that fucking brutal. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| I'll tell you what, when the first... | ||
| First of all, I have so much respect for both of those guys. | ||
| Matisse and Ruslan are both in my top five, top ten fighters. | ||
| Matisse's punching power is freaking ridiculous. | ||
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Ridiculous. | |
| I remember I was in there, and I was like, where am I going to sit? | ||
| I was originally going to be on the corner, and then I ended up getting a seat ringside. | ||
| And I turned my back, and this is our first round, ten seconds in. | ||
| I'm already hearing the punches behind me. | ||
| I'm like, oh, fuck, I've got to run around and get my ass over there as quick as I can, because this might not go another round. | ||
| I mean, you know you're in a good fight and you can hear those punches landing. | ||
| It's just ridiculous, like the power that they generate. | ||
| Matisse's a monster, but so is Provodnikov. | ||
| Provodnikov's a monster. | ||
| The way he fucking keeps coming and bombing and moving and throwing bombs, like, Jesus, what a fight that was. | ||
| Well, yeah, and the cool thing about that was... | ||
| I like Ruslan, but the fights prior to that, you know, he had a tendency to fade after three or four rounds. | ||
| And whatever that was, you know, focus or conditioning, I don't know. | ||
| But even if it's mental focus, you need to condition that as well. | ||
| And so this training camp, I really dedicated a lot of time to learning how to push him into the later rounds and getting to bring it more and more as the fight progressed. | ||
| Now, Freddie Roach trains him as boxing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what was, like, Freddie's assessment of, like, the difference in his performance from training with you, like, what he can get out of him in the gym? | ||
| His sparring looked great. | ||
| Everybody was pleased with his sparring, like, this time. | ||
| They said this is the best he's ever looked in sparring, like, phenomenal. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| Ruzon's kind of like a robot. | ||
| Whatever he does in sparring, he's pretty much going to do in the fight. | ||
| And so even in sparring, he would come on a little slow and then pick it up towards the later rounds of sparring. | ||
| And so I don't think it surprised anybody in the performance. | ||
| Like Freddie even said in the beginning, it's a 50-50 fight. | ||
| I don't know who's going to win this. | ||
| And to be honest, that fight went down exactly how I thought it would. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In the dressing room, before we walked out, I pulled the ref aside and I asked him, hey, look... | ||
| What happens if he gets headbutted in the first or second round? | ||
| Shit you not. | ||
| I asked him that. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I said, are you going to stop the fight? | ||
| Are you going to have him check it? | ||
| Or are you going to let him keep fighting if there's blood? | ||
| You know, I just wanted to get some things clear because I kind of had this weird feeling. | ||
| And sure enough, second round. | ||
| And I had a feeling Matisse was going to win by decision. | ||
| Sometimes you just get that weird feeling. | ||
| You know, there's an aura. | ||
| And you can put all the work in you want, but you know, like, if it's not your night, it's not your night. | ||
| And there's just something there. | ||
| Now, Provodnikov, what kind of diet does that guy follow? | ||
| Because I read some crazy shit about, like, until he was like... | ||
| Yeah, he'd only eaten raw meat. | ||
| No, he still eats raw meat. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not when he's here. | ||
| Here he has a nutritionist here. | ||
| But where does he eat raw meat? | ||
| Like when he's in Siberia? | ||
| Siberia, yeah. | ||
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What does he eat? | |
| They sell it like in his town. | ||
| I guess they sell it in restaurants and shit. | ||
| Like you can go into a restaurant and just go, hey, I'll have a moose heart with a side of bacon. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're all used to eating raw meat up there. | ||
| They're like Eskimos. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're really ahead of the times. | ||
| Well, there's something to be said for those genetics. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because those are some fucking stout human beings. | ||
| And that diet has got to be, like, incredibly nutrient-dense protein. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| As long as you're eating, you know, game animals and not predators, you know, you can pretty much get away with that. | ||
| If they were eating bear, you obviously couldn't eat it raw, but eating caribou or something like that, raw. | ||
| You ever eaten it? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I've eaten caribou before. | ||
| Yeah, it's delicious. | ||
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You like it? | |
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'd be interested to try that. | ||
| It's very, it's reindeer. | ||
| You know, when you see reindeers, like Santa's reindeer, those are caribou. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Elk. | ||
| Elk's delicious. | ||
| I've had raw horse in Montreal. | ||
| I had horse tartare. | ||
| Yeah, they ground up this raw horse and served it with like egg on it and everything, like raw egg on it. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| Yeah, there's this place called Joe Beef in Montreal. | ||
| Is that fresh? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, it has to be. | ||
| So how do they do that? | ||
| Do they kill the whole horse? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If it's fresh, you'd think they'd kill the whole horse and someone would spoil, or do they just, like, take off limbs at a time and then, like... | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, obviously... | ||
| Resuscitate the thing, I don't know. | ||
| When you buy, most beef that you buy from the store is fresh. | ||
| I mean, they're not freezing your steaks, for the most part. | ||
| Some fish is frozen, but almost all beef you're buying has been killed fairly recently. | ||
| Some of it's dry-aged, but this horse was, you know, I guess actually they killed the horse in America, but you can't sell it in America in stores, but you can kill them in America, and then they export them to Canada. | ||
| It's very tricky, you know, because people have very strong attachments towards them as animals, as pets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, uh, delicious. | ||
| Although weird. | ||
| You know, I don't have a horse. | ||
| If I had a horse, you know, I'm not about to eat a dog. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if I had a horse, it might trip me out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's with the cats? | ||
| I think I saw a picture of your cats or something. | ||
| You got cats? | ||
| Yeah, cats. | ||
| Is that bad? | ||
| I have little girls. | ||
| I've always had cats. | ||
| I have a 19-year-old cat. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Yeah, I've had her since she was a baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that bad? | ||
| No. | ||
| Something wrong with me? | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| What are you trying to say? | ||
| You seem like a macho guy. | ||
| I don't know, I'm talking cats. | ||
| I'm balanced, man. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, all right. | |
| Come on, dude. | ||
| Got to get in touch with the feminine side. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to touch with my feminine side. | ||
| I like little dogs, too. | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| What if I have a little dog in a purse and I carry it around? | ||
| I don't know about that, man. | ||
| I think you're pushing it there. | ||
| Chuck Liddell does. | ||
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Does he? | |
| Chuck Liddell is a little tiny chihuahua you used to take with him everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody's done a shit. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Iceman. | ||
| Yeah, I like cats, man. | ||
| My daughters love cats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're cute. | ||
| Oh, you got daughters? | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I saw a show of yours. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| A comedy club in Hermosa a few years ago. | ||
| Oh, the Comedy Magic Club? | ||
| Fucking phenomenal, dude. | ||
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Oh, thanks, man. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I never saw it before. | ||
| I remembered you from the... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The sitcom? | ||
| Newsradio? | ||
| Newsradio. | ||
| I thought you were pretty funny there. | ||
| And then I saw you at the thing. | ||
| My buddy got us tickets, and I was just, like, blown away. | ||
| Oh, thanks, man. | ||
| But the thing about the daughter sticking her hand... | ||
| That's a true story. | ||
| It fucking resonates in my mind. | ||
| She really did, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She's like, I don't want to go to bed. | ||
| She mad-dogged me. | ||
| That was a total true story. | ||
| I had to figure out how to react. | ||
| You don't want to freak out about this, because then she'll know that she can get a rise out of you. | ||
| The other day, I made a mistake. | ||
| I swore in front of my kid. | ||
| It's going to be two in a few weeks, and I said that. | ||
| I was frustrated. | ||
| I was tired. | ||
| I want to get in the shower, and I'm holding him in one arm, and I hit the The dimmer on the light switch, it doesn't work properly, so you're always messing with it to get it to work. | ||
| I said, fucking lights. | ||
| I just said it under my breath, dude. | ||
| I look at my son, and I'm trying to get this thing to work, and my son goes, fucking lights. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| So then, now everything. | ||
| No, it's still going on. | ||
| This was like a month and a half ago. | ||
| It's still going on. | ||
| Fucking Uncle Rudy. | ||
| Fucking garbage cart. | ||
| You know, as soon as you give it, like, a response, then it's like, oh, their eyes light up. | ||
| Like, you don't have to say anything. | ||
| The minute your eyes just kind of latch on, it's like, oh, dude, did you just say that? | ||
| So, two days ago in Mommy and Me class, kids are singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. | ||
| I shit you not. | ||
| Fucking lights! | ||
| Fucking lights! | ||
| Dude, I feel like such a bad dad. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Don't let those people fuck with your head. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| You're a grown adult. | ||
| You're a man. | ||
| I said fork and knife. | ||
| He said fork and knife. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| But don't even lie about it. | ||
| Is there anything wrong with saying those words today, right now? | ||
| You and I together. | ||
| Two grown adults. | ||
| Nothing wrong. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| So, stop. | ||
| Everybody stop. | ||
| My wife always says that. | ||
| My wife gets mad if I swear on the kids. | ||
| You know, she's like, stop at the language. | ||
| I'm like, listen, bitch. | ||
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How the fuck? | |
| What the fuck do you think I make a living? | ||
| I make a living with this language. | ||
| This is called English. | ||
| It's called American English, and occasionally we say fuck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jesus, don't say it at school, kids. | ||
| All right? | ||
| My three-year-old, when she was three, we were skiing. | ||
| I took them skiing from the time they were really little. | ||
| My kids have been skiing since they were two. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| When she was three, we're packing all the stuff up, we're getting ready to leave, you know, we're leaving the trip, and we're in the hotel, and she's got her little bag zipped up, and my wife goes, we forgot to put the helmet in the bag, and the little kid, she's three, she goes, shit. | ||
| And my wife looks at me, and her eyes light up, and I had to fucking turn my face and run out of the room, because I couldn't stop laughing. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta laugh. | ||
| It was the funniest, but I didn't want to, like, make... | ||
| She finds something that's funny. | ||
| Like, she loves being funny, because I'm a big laugher. | ||
| So when she says funny shit, I just fucking fall over laughing. | ||
| So I had to be real careful about that one when she was three. | ||
| But it was just something funny about it. | ||
| She wasn't even doing it to get attention or anything. | ||
| She was just looking at her suitcase. | ||
| My wife has the helmet, and she realized the helmet's not in the suitcase. | ||
| She goes, Shit. | ||
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A little tiny person saying shit is fucking hilarious. | |
| Like an adult. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like if we were, it was just you and I, and you forgot your helmet, you'd be like, ah shit. | ||
| And that would be normal. | ||
| And that was normal to her. | ||
| I just, I don't buy this. | ||
| There's something wrong with kids swearing. | ||
| It's fucking stupid. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| Oh, there's a certain age when it's okay? | ||
| What's that age? | ||
| Is it 19? | ||
| Is it when they start fucking? | ||
| Is it when they drink? | ||
| Like, when is it okay to swear? | ||
| Like, we're babies with our fucking language. | ||
| And it's so dumb because it's all just by television. | ||
| It's all, like, the censorship that we've imposed upon ourselves with television is the same censorship that we bring into the household and you expect from kids at school. | ||
| Like, I don't give a fuck about language. | ||
| I appreciate how people treat each other. | ||
| How do you talk to me? | ||
| Are you nice? | ||
| Are you friendly? | ||
| If you're friendly and you say, fuck, I feel good about talking to you. | ||
| If you're a rude person and you don't use bad language or you're uncomfortable or you're not kind or considerate, then I feel gross about talking to you. | ||
| But if you're a normal person and you say, fuck, what kind of a weirdo cares about that? | ||
| But we've, like, imprinted it into our brains, and the same retarded shit, we pass it down from parent to child and parent to child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when does that stop? | ||
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When do we stop giving so much power to these stupid fucking words? | |
| It's dumb. | ||
| As a parent, it drives me fucking crazy. | ||
| It drives me crazy. | ||
| Because I know that it's not, like, when people are alone, when they're comfortable, when they're together, when they're out drinking, when they're, you know, at a bar or restaurant, they swear. | ||
| And it's fun. | ||
| It's freeing. | ||
| It's liberating. | ||
| But you're in an office, everybody's dressed like a fucking penguin, some weird, stupid outfits. | ||
| You know, it's dumb. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's a weird habit that we're stuck in that people think is like, oh, you got a lot of class with your language. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Just shut up. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| This is a dumb way to express yourself. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't really think that much about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Drives me nuts. | ||
| Yeah, it drives me nuts man because I've had like people come on my podcast and Like the podcast like someone will say it was a great podcast except for Rogan's language in my language Like he asked great questions if you get past the language. | ||
| It was a great conversation. | ||
| What if you say it in like a foreign language? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| The word French, French word for fuck. | ||
| It's just silliness. | ||
| It's infantile. | ||
| It's self-imposed infantile behavior. | ||
| And when you're the adult, when you're a grown person, you're a fully grown adult, you pay your own bills, you feed yourself, the whole deal. | ||
| You decide when you go to bed. | ||
| Like, the idea that you are imposing this stupid language restriction, the only language I care about is language that expresses, like... | ||
| Human interaction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I care about derogatory language, I care about offensive, evil language, racist language, that kind of stuff bugs me. | ||
| But just saying, fuck, like, the type of people that do that... | ||
| The good thing about that is, if you find someone who cares about that, you know you're around an idiot. | ||
| Just avoid that dummy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I got a little excited. | ||
| Got a little carried away with that thought. | ||
| We got off track. | ||
| This podcast is... | ||
| We should change the name of it to Off Track. | ||
| Off Track. | ||
| What are you showing? | ||
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Have you ever seen this store on Sunset? | |
| Pinches Tacos? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you know what that means? | ||
| No. | ||
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Fucking Tacos. | |
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good. | ||
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It's on Sunset Boulevard. | |
| I love it. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I hope somebody protests. | ||
| I hope some social justice warriors have it closed down because it's racist or something. | ||
| I hope white people own it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fungu. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| I just think we're very childish when it comes to language. | ||
| That's not the point of this podcast. | ||
| The point of this podcast is I have just so many questions for you. | ||
| I have to get back to this because it's really fascinating. | ||
| What do you think when you watch those countdown shows and you see guys doing the battle ropes and there's a bunch of very specific things that you see. | ||
| You see guys pushing sleds. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| The weight sled, right? | ||
| Pushing that fucking sled. | ||
| You see like all these different ways of training. | ||
| What is like the biggest mistakes that you see? | ||
| Or what you feel are biggest mistakes? | ||
| Obviously, the exercise modalities. | ||
| I don't know how pushing a sled is even relative to MMA. I mean, if we're talking about MMA here. | ||
| Pushing guys up against a cage. | ||
| Are you pushing them or are you holding them? | ||
| Well, if you're trying to push a guy up against a cage. | ||
| Say if you get in a collar tie and you want to push a guy up against a cage, you want to work your Muay Thai. | ||
| You want to work knees to the body. | ||
| I think it would be more about leverage of the leg, the placement of the leg and the leverage and the power of the foot, which we go back to the strength of the feet. | ||
| The strength of the foot cannot be understated. | ||
| They've done studies like on Olympic weightlifters. | ||
| That show that the foot actually produces the greatest amount of force in the Olympic weight lifts. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the actual foot. | ||
| If you look at the leverage of the joint there, it's just such a short lever. | ||
| So the pushing off the ground is like for cleans. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That produces more force than the quadricep, even the hip. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So are you opposed to cleans and presses and things along those lines? | ||
| I don't have my guys do them. | ||
| I'm not going to say they're terrible. | ||
| I think if you start going too heavy, then yeah, you're overloading your spine and you're doing a disservice to the rest of your body. | ||
| What's too heavy? | ||
| I think something that you can't do quickly and incorporate the stretch shortening cycle. | ||
| Like I said, plyometrics, in my opinion, are the king for strengthening the body. | ||
| So box jumps, those type of exercises where you're doing the descending bench press and catching it and Anything where the muscle is being put on stretch and then firing back at a faster rate. | ||
| So you can even do that manually, like to exercise for the hips. | ||
| You can do that with a hand, throwing the leg down and work it in different angles. | ||
| So imagine strengthening every muscle in your body plyometrically. | ||
| Then you've got like a fast-twitch animal that's highly trained. | ||
| Can you take a guy who's slow and you can make him fast? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Through the stretch-shortening cycle again, which is the neural impulses that go through one muscle. | ||
| The stretch-shortening cycle actually, let me give you an example of this. | ||
| So imagine you go to the doctor and you're sitting in the doctor's chair and he comes up and he hits you in the knee. | ||
| He does the patellar test, the kick test. | ||
| That's a stretch-shortening cycle. | ||
| And what he's doing, he's testing for any kind of abnormalities that might be in your spine or might show up in your nervous system. | ||
| It could be some other kind of disease or whatever. | ||
| But what it's doing is it's sending a neural impulse through the tendon, all the way up through the muscle into the spine, and then it inhibits the hamstring. | ||
| So it switches the hamstring off. | ||
| And that's why your leg jerks without you even having to try to do anything right there. | ||
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Really? | |
| You know, you just sit there. | ||
| You're not making a kick. | ||
| So that's what's going on? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So if you hit right on the patellar tendon, your leg kicks... | ||
| It's actually switching off your hamstrings simultaneously at the same time it's activating the quadricep. | ||
| So you get a greater contraction out of the quadricep without even trying. | ||
| That's where the efficiency that you've been talking about comes in. | ||
| So by training the stretch-shortening cycle, you can duplicate that throughout the entire body as long as you're training every muscle like that. | ||
| So do you have like a standard MMA fighter protocol that you follow? | ||
| Or does it vary depending upon what the athlete brings to you in the first place? | ||
| Do you try to get them to a place and then work from there? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Like I said, we start with muscle testing to determine weaknesses like the feet and the hips. | ||
| How do you do these muscle tests? | ||
| Manual testing. | ||
| For example, I'll hold your toes and I'll have you try to push me back and I'll feel like it's like a manual muscle test, like something a chiropractor might do or a physical therapist looking for weaknesses. | ||
| And then the hips, you can test the abduction and adduction. | ||
| You can turn the person over and you can test the rotation of their hip here. | ||
| And all these things play into the mechanics of sporting movements. | ||
| So the rotational muscles of the hip If you've got, let's say, you're right-handed and you've got weak rotational muscles in the left, in your left leg, that's going to affect your left hook. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Same with the right hand, straight right hand. | ||
| If you've got a weak gluten ham contraction, you're going to have a weakness in your straight right hand. | ||
| If you're punching from the hip. | ||
| I mean, assuming you're punching with good mechanics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So all these factors play into where we want to get them. | ||
| So first you would remediate the weakest link first. | ||
| So 99 times out of 100, it's the feet and the hips for the guys. | ||
| And then usually the lower back and the shoulders. | ||
| You can watch the video. | ||
| I remember Gary, I think, is explaining it when he trained BJ Penn. | ||
| First, we fixed his feet and then his hips. | ||
| It's the same strategy for remediating weakness. | ||
| You want to strengthen all these weak links first to get the kinetic chain working all the way through. | ||
| So if you get a guy and say the guy has a lower back issues, this is really common with BJJ players. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Brazilian Jiu Jitsu guys that work the guard, especially a lot of them have lower, like Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has some serious lower back problems. | ||
| What would you do to a guy like that? | ||
| First of all, I'd probably want to turn him over and feel what his spine feels like and feel for what the vertebrae is lined up like and his hips. | ||
| And then I did a visual assessment of his lower back. | ||
| He's an extremely flexible guy, right? | ||
| In some ways. | ||
| Tight hamstrings, though. | ||
| Tight hamstrings. | ||
| Yeah, he's a guy that's all fucked up. | ||
| I could probably fix him up, no problem. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Yeah, where you at? | ||
| Call Nick. | ||
| Let's go, Eddie. | ||
| I think I trained with him a long time ago, man. | ||
| He used to wear like the headgear and like a wetsuit thing on his head. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| It must be John Jocks. | ||
| This was probably like 15 years ago. | ||
| When he had really long hair. | ||
| He used to tuck his hair in a wetsuit. | ||
| Yeah, he's a pretty cool guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's awesome. | ||
| He's a character. | ||
| But his flexibility is very unusual. | ||
| His leg dexterity is very unusual in his hips, his ability to, you know, like what he calls jailbreak, like say if you have him in side control. | ||
| He can pick his foot up without even grabbing it with his hand, bring it across like that, get a deep butterfly hook, and then turn and face you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an amazing dexterity that he has. | ||
| No, I guarantee I can fix it. | ||
| I've fixed NFL players' backs, and those guys have the worst backs. | ||
| So say you get a guy who's got some bulging discs, a bunch of shit going on. | ||
| Bulging discs? | ||
| That's... | ||
| Kind of sketchy. | ||
| I don't want to be sued for anything, you know what I mean? | ||
| But there are some traction stretches you can do, like some manual therapy stuff that I've learned from a very well-respected neurologist and physiologist, crazy Russian guy, scientist. | ||
| So we've implemented a lot of that stuff for the health of the spine. | ||
| Yeah, there's some stuff you can do to relieve the pressure there. | ||
| Because back and neck, those are really common with grapplers. | ||
| I know so many wrestlers who have fused discs. | ||
| Like Tito Ortiz, I think he's got three fused. | ||
| He's got one in his neck fused and I think he's got two in his back. | ||
| One in his lumbar and maybe one thoracic or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, I had to have the steroid injections in my neck. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Yeah, I herniated five discs. | ||
| Five? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I'm getting pretty aggro back then. | ||
| And so I had the... | ||
| Cortisone? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They put you to sleep for that? | ||
| Is that the cortisone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, they put me under for it, man. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| I couldn't sleep for three weeks before I had the shots. | ||
| I mean, I was up in so much pain. | ||
| My arm atrophied. | ||
| It looked like a wet noodle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so you had a pretty bad... | ||
| Yeah, a pretty good one. | ||
| What happened to your neck? | ||
| I got thrown into a wall in jujitsu, and I just crunched. | ||
| But I think it was more like years and years of building up, you know? | ||
| And then they found there's like a bone spur in there that like irritates the nerve and... | ||
| So do they have to go in there and take the bone spur out? | ||
| Probably will one day, but not yet. | ||
| I have so many friends that have atrophy issues with the neck where their arm shrinks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boss Rootin, he had his neck fused. | ||
| He actually had some significant neck problems for years, and then he was, I think it was on Sons of Anarchy, one of those shows, where he was doing a stunt, and they threw him on his head. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, and his arm just went funk and then it's shrunk up. | ||
| We calls it baby arm. | ||
| He's got one on it's still to this day Yeah, he had several operations. | ||
| He has disk fused in his neck. | ||
| Yeah, he had the the nerve opening They they go in there and they sort of carve it out clear clear the opening to relieve the pressure on the nerve and even that like he probably did it all too late in his arm had been atrophied for so many years and That it just, it's a long process to rebuild the nerves. | ||
| Man, I know about that. | ||
| Is that for you? | ||
| Yeah, well, I was in a car accident, too, where I was actually rear-ended. | ||
| The guy was going about 100 miles an hour. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Yeah, so shattered my pelvis, broke my hip. | ||
| I've got a plate in there now, like a steel plate. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, and so I was in a wheelchair for like six months. | ||
| But the nerve, like... | ||
| But apart from all the muscular, you know, rebuilding the muscles and all that, the nerve pain from the recovery was the worst. | ||
| I mean, I still have, like right now I can feel it on my foot. | ||
| This is like 10 or 12 years ago. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I just felt like animals were eating my toes off, man. | ||
| I remember waking up one night like screaming in pain, like, fuck, dude, my foot is, something's eating my foot. | ||
| And I look down there and the toes are kind of moving on their own. | ||
| And that was the nerve waking back up. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And it was excruciating. | ||
| I mean, like I said, even to this day, I still get some issues in my toes with that. | ||
| That's why a lot of guys that have back pains, and women as well, obviously, they get really hooked on pain pills. | ||
| It's like it gets to a point. | ||
| I got hooked on them, man. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| To the point where I would take my pain pills, and then I would take a laxative, because the shit makes you constipated. | ||
| So, like, I was taking a lot of those things, like, on a daily basis. | ||
| You're doing that for four or five months, man. | ||
| You're gonna get hooked. | ||
| How'd you get off? | ||
| Uh, my will. | ||
| I think that was it. | ||
| Yeah, I think. | ||
| I'm weird like that. | ||
| Like, I don't get addicted to things, but... | ||
| When I go too deep, if I feel like something bad is going to happen to me emotionally, I can snap out of it. | ||
| Self-preservation. | ||
| When I used to think about taking them, I'd get that taste under my tongue like candy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it was... | ||
| Brennan Schaub said the same thing. | ||
| Schaub didn't even realize he was hooked on him. | ||
| He was taking him every day for like three or four months and then his friends apparently intervened and said, hey dude, you're fucking whacked out all day. | ||
| You gotta get off these pills. | ||
| Where are the pills? | ||
| They went to his house, cleaned out his bathroom cabinet and said, enough. | ||
| Dude, we just did that with my buddy like two weeks ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a dirt bike accident. | ||
| His fucking bone... | ||
| Okay, can I tell you a quick story? | ||
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Please. | |
| Okay, you know what those razor things are? | ||
| Have you ever seen a razor? | ||
| Those little scooter things? | ||
| Yeah, with a cage around them. | ||
| I mean, they're built to crash. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| No, I think I'm looking at a different thing. | ||
| It's kind of like an ATV, but a little bigger, and two guys, like a dune buggy, like a miniature dune buggy with a cage around it, and guys go up hills, like you can see all these fucking guys in the south, love them. | ||
| And yeah, so you know where I'm going with this song, it's fucking gnarly. | ||
| So this guy, a couple of my buddies buy a brand new one, they're like, come on out, it's going to be a great weekend, man, let's go fucking riding this weekend, whatever. | ||
| Long story short, these guys ended up in the hospital. | ||
| They flipped the thing, and one guy busted his scalp open. | ||
| He's got a hole like the size of a golf ball. | ||
| Broke his arm. | ||
| My other buddy broke his arm in like four places. | ||
| Just had surgery. | ||
| So our third friend who went with him, he called me. | ||
| He's like, man, these guys have been in an accident. | ||
| The next day, someone sends me a text of him laying down with a bone popping out of his fucking arm. | ||
| Like, where'd you go? | ||
| Indian burial ground, dude? | ||
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What the fuck is this shit? | |
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| Indian burial ground. | ||
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Right? | |
| Like, all these guys that got maimed. | ||
| Yeah, it's a great weekend, guys. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| But one of them got really hooked on the pain meds. | ||
| And he went from being a super active guy to just staying home all day, being hooked on pain meds. | ||
| And we were, like, really worried about him. | ||
| Like, he was calling us, like, crying, like, dude, I'm gonna do something bad. | ||
| I'm gonna fuck it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| We got this thing called Bro Chat on Facebook. | ||
| A group of our old buddies got together and we started a group chat probably like two months ago. | ||
| Every one of us has practically been kicked off Facebook for it for one reason or another. | ||
| Sending pictures. | ||
| You can imagine the shit we're sending there. | ||
| But man, we all got together on Bro Chat and we saved his life, dude. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Bro Chat saves. | ||
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It does, dude. | |
| It saves and it pisses off wives because I swear to God it. | ||
| Every one of us is on there till like 1130 at night just laughing our ass off while the girls are putting the babies to sleep. | ||
| You get off the fucking phone, man. | ||
| You got a girlfriend or something. | ||
| One of them said, hey, honey, I'll give you a blowjob if you get off the phone. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| Bros before blowjobs. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| I mean, I'm the first one off. | ||
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No. | |
| I just come in there to save you, man. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I've had several friends that have had, like, serious pill issues. | ||
| It's weird how prevalent they are and how easy it is to get them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I had my nose fixed. | ||
| I had deviated septums. | ||
| They cleared it all out, cut the turbinates out, stretched open the openings, like, put splints in there and shit, and actually it kind of widened the physical look of my nose. | ||
| It kind of changed a little bit because it was, like, a little more sucked in. | ||
| I had, like, nasal breathing. | ||
| Anyway, point is, it wasn't fucking painful. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I mean, when it was over, it was over. | ||
| See, I need that. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I have a deviated set. | ||
| This is one of the best things I've ever done. | ||
| I didn't do it until I was like, I think I was 39 or something like that. | ||
| But once I did, it was like, I get this break. | ||
| Raphael just had that done. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He couldn't. | ||
| I don't know if it, you know, I think it'd been going on for a long time. | ||
| Like, he had it so bad he couldn't even breathe out of one of his house. | ||
| Junior Dos Santos did as well. | ||
| Huh, interesting. | ||
| Well, it's just fighting, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had my nose broken for the first time when I was five. | ||
| I fell down a flight of stairs, and it was always kind of crooked, like, the bones kind of weird in it, and it was inside. | ||
| It was always fucked up, but then years of just getting smashed in the face. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| It just gets awful. | ||
| To the point, like, you remember Vanderlei, what Vanderlei's nose used to look like? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Flat to his face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just smushed down. | ||
| No cartilage at all. | ||
| Everything just mushed. | ||
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And every time we talk, you don't hear anything come out of the nose. | |
| I tell you, good fight. | ||
| Good fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He had his fix and he went deep the other way. | ||
| He got like an extra big nose so he could breathe better. | ||
| Like they constructed a nose out of his rib. | ||
| Looks great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I see you're being sarcastic. | ||
| Well, I mean for practical purposes you want to be a fighter. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Smarter what he did. | ||
| Shows a lack of vanity. | ||
| It does. | ||
| He didn't try to look fucking pretty at all. | ||
| He cut out all his scar tissue in his eyebrows, you know, because he was getting that. | ||
| There's another thing that fighters get is that sort of relaxed eye thing. | ||
| It impedes vision. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Some guys have it so bad that you can see their lids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I guess it's from punishment, from getting hit. | ||
| Repetitive scar tissue. | ||
| Yeah, the repetitive scar tissue and also like the relaxation of the muscle. | ||
| Deadening of the nerves probably, yeah. | ||
| So it starts to fall over the eye and it actually gets in the way. | ||
| That's Vandelay, but that's Vandelay before he got fucked up. | ||
| That's Vandelay in probably like 2003. That's the early days of Vanderlei. | ||
| That's Vanderlei when he was the pride champion. | ||
| Labeled nose number one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you gotta see Vanderlei, and that's what he looks like now. | ||
| I mean, his eyes are different, but that's not what he looked like right after the surgery. | ||
| That's his face, which kind of relaxed. | ||
| Yeah, I remember. | ||
| It was kind of like Catwoman after the surgery, right? | ||
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Dude! | |
| He came onto the scales at the UFC, and he was cornering somebody. | ||
| And he stepped onto the cage. | ||
| Like that's him, you see where the pink tape on his gloves? | ||
| That's him in his best. | ||
| That's before his nose was fucked up. | ||
| That's when, that's probably him in 2001 or something like that. | ||
| I mean, that was Vanderlei in his prime. | ||
| I want to say that looks like he was right before Rampage Jackson or something like that. | ||
| 2001, 2002, his nose was fine. | ||
| And then if you see like Vanderlei versus Chuck Liddell, I have a poster On my wall in my gym at home of Vanderlei versus Chuck Liddell. | ||
| And Vanderlei's nose is just smashed. | ||
| It's just like flattened to his face. | ||
| And that was like that one where his arms are up in the air, Jamie. | ||
| See that picture up there? | ||
| Click on that. | ||
| Go large on that. | ||
| You can see in that one, I think that's that seems like after the Kung Lee fight, that's tough to tell there, but for a lot of the fights like his nose was just useless. | ||
| He couldn't breathe out of it. | ||
| So he went the other way and he got this fucking crazy nose job where they gave him a bigger nose so he could breathe out of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you see like nose number three? | ||
| Like that image right there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look how much bigger his nose is. | ||
| But that's smart. | ||
| It's like he did that so he could breathe out of it better. | ||
| It's a lot bigger like it the bone or the cartilage you could see it like goes lower Like when you're talking to him. | ||
| Yeah, it went lower to like sort you like he has a big accentuated cartilage there That guy has taken some fucking punishment. | ||
| You want to talk about a warrior? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I mean, that guy has been in fucking wars. | ||
| Like down there, you see all those images? | ||
| Look at that one where he's got the white tank top right there to the right of that. | ||
| Right below that. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| That's what you could see. | ||
| Eh, tough. | ||
| Nah, it's not even at his worst. | ||
| It's not even at his worst. | ||
| At his worst is right before he got the operation. | ||
| I think it was just completely fucked. | ||
| Is that after the operation right there? | ||
| I don't think that might be photoshopped. | ||
| He was Jimmy Durante for Halloween. | ||
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Ha-cha-cha-cha! | |
| Boy, that's a dated reference. | ||
| There, right there, that black one. | ||
| In the black shirt. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, his nose is pretty smashed there, but that might be after a fight. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's not even at the worst. | ||
| I mean, that guy has taken some fucking insane damage in his career and we've watched his face alter because of that damage. | ||
| Out of all the fighters in the UFC and in Pride and in MMA in general, his face has altered the most because of punishment. | ||
| Minotauros probably Second. | ||
| Pretty close. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think Vandal Ace, more than anybody, because he's the one who got it fixed. | ||
| He's the only one of those guys that got it fixed. | ||
| Nick Diaz had some stuff done to his eyebrows, too. | ||
| He had so much scar tissue, and he actually had his bone shaved down, too, because the edges of his bone were quite sharp. | ||
| Yeah, that'll cut you. | ||
| I got a couple guys I trained in the Philippines like that. | ||
| They're pretty susceptible to cuts. | ||
| You want to see some boxers, man. | ||
| Did you see the Gennady Glovkin in the Chocolatito card? | ||
| People told me, dude, you want to go see Gennady Glovkin this weekend at the forum? | ||
| I said, no, I want to go see Chocolatito. | ||
| Chocolatito is a bad dude. | ||
| He is a bad dude. | ||
| One of my guys fought him in Japan about maybe six months ago. | ||
| And did a hell of a lot better than the other guy. | ||
| The ref kind of stopped it short. | ||
| I don't think we probably wouldn't have won that fight either way. | ||
| You know, Chocolatito is amazing. | ||
| But... | ||
| These lighter weight divisions, this 112 division and the 108 division right now are like exciting divisions. | ||
| And I'm just stoked that they got some coverage in the U.S. like on HBO because it shows like, I mean, it's really stacked. | ||
| If you really look into it, the lighter weight, man, it's really stacked and there's a lot of action, like a lot of knockouts. | ||
| As long as they have short referees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything looks okay. | ||
| Like a jockey who doubles as a ref. | ||
| That'd be sick. | ||
| If you have a 108-pound fighter, you've got to have a little tiny referee. | ||
| Maybe lower the ropes a little bit, too. | ||
| Good move. | ||
| I would. | ||
| I really thought about that the last fight. | ||
| You see better. | ||
| But I got a guy who I train in the Philippines, Donny Nietes. | ||
| Donny Ahas Nietes. | ||
| He's the longest reigning Filipino champion of all time. | ||
| And this guy is such an exciting fighter. | ||
| His nickname is Ahas, which in Tagalog means snake. | ||
| So he moves like a snake in the ring, like his head movement. | ||
| His speed and timing are just on another level, but he's got one-punch knockout power. | ||
| For a 108-pound fighter, it's ridiculous the power this guy generates. | ||
| Whatever happened to Nonito Diner? | ||
| I'm actually gonna be seeing him in a few weeks in the Philippines. | ||
| I worked with him for one fight, and I actually ended up having to leave maybe like three or four weeks before the fight. | ||
| You know, some things, whatever. | ||
| I think my personal opinion, I like the guy. | ||
| As a person, he's a fucking great guy, dude. | ||
| Like a really cool person. | ||
| Seems very cool. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| But I think when he got that fighter of the year thing, maybe it went to his head a little bit. | ||
| Nonito, I'm sure you're probably hearing this. | ||
| Sorry, dude. | ||
| But I think it went to his head a little bit, and maybe the ego got in the way. | ||
| And he kind of stopped listening to the coaches. | ||
| And it was evident in the Walters fight. | ||
| He even said, like, I stopped listening to my dad. | ||
| I should have been listening to my dad on the corner. | ||
| And look what happened, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I said this in the training camp to some people in his entourage. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| He's not listening to me. | ||
| He's coaching his dad how to train him. | ||
| This guy could potentially be one of the best boxers we've ever seen if he just listens. | ||
| At this rate, something's going to happen. | ||
| He's either going to get knocked out or he's going to get hurt. | ||
| And then everybody's going to snap and they're going to say, hey, we should have fucking done this or we should have done that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And now he's doing it. | ||
| He's back and he's dedicated. | ||
| Is it too late? | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| No, he's 30. I think he's 31. But at a really light weight. | ||
| He's fighting at 122, I think now, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He will kill the... | ||
| Like the guys in his division, he'll destroy them. | ||
| Yeah, he's 32. Yeah, he's 32. It just seems like at that age, at the lower weight classes, age is... | ||
| Like, if he was 32 years old and he was fighting in heavyweight, I would say, oh, he's in his prime. | ||
| Yeah, keep going. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it seems like heavyweights mature later. | ||
| Do you agree with that? | ||
| You know, I don't know, to be honest. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I was wondering about that. | ||
| Actually, one of the things I wanted to ask you about is, is it because, like a guy like Vladimir Klitschko is just this massive person. | ||
| I always wondered, like, does it take longer to develop efficiency of movement and the ability to move your body better, to understanding your body, if you have more of it to learn? | ||
| If you're dealing with a much larger frame, much more body mass, is it more gravity? | ||
| You're dealing with more gravity. | ||
| You're dealing with the influence of that gravity. | ||
| It slows you down. | ||
| You're obviously slower than a lighter weight person. | ||
| Is it more difficult to develop mastery of skill? | ||
| Uh... | ||
| Yeah, I think, you know, that's a good question, Joe. | ||
| I think there is maybe some truth to that. | ||
| Like, the length of the limb requires, you know, the leverage that you get on the muscles is going to be a lot greater. | ||
| Like, the torque you need to generate out of the smaller muscles to control the larger limb, of course, that's going to play a big role. | ||
| So the length of the limb can determine, you know, how much force you can produce also. | ||
| So it'll play a role in the mechanics. | ||
| But I think, yeah, I think it is maybe a little bit harder for some of those big guys. | ||
| Just strictly like on the, I don't know, maybe it's the relative, the strength. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I really can't answer that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I always felt like they're just, they're dealing with more gravity. | ||
| Like it seemed to me like lighter weight guys, especially back in the kickboxing days, I had noticed that the lighter weight guys seemed to learn quicker. | ||
| They seem to pick up the skills quicker. | ||
| They're obviously always faster. | ||
| It could be a higher degree of relative strength too, like your strength to body weight ratio. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So, that could have something to do with it. | ||
| Because the other thing is, you never see a guy at heavyweight that can move like Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, they just don't exist. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, you look at... | ||
| If you watch Mighty Mouse, Demetrius Johnson, the UFC flyweight champion, the guy who, in my opinion, is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, I think... | ||
| When it comes to taking the least amount of punishment, the ability to make great fighters look average, the ability to impose his skill set, and never runs out of gas, and is always technically in the best position. | ||
| He's always doing the right thing. | ||
| He's really, really well trained. | ||
| I've never seen a fucking heavyweight even remotely move like that. | ||
| The best heavyweight in the world is Cain Velasquez, obviously. | ||
| You think he's gonna beat Verdun? | ||
| It's a tough fight. | ||
| It's a very tough fight because his big strength is taking guys down. | ||
| Take Verdun down, you're in a world of shit. | ||
| That guy is no joke off his back. | ||
| His fucking guard is head and shoulders above anybody that Kane has ever faced, without a doubt. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I don't know who he brought in to train with it, but they're not good enough. | ||
| No. | ||
| Who the fuck are you gonna bring? | ||
| Unless you bring it in, you'd have to bring in like a Vinny Magalais, like someone who's like a really, and only specifically work the ground aspect of it. | ||
| Because Vinny can't hang with Verdum on the feet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Rafael has done an amazing job of taking those guys and turning them into kickboxers. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I mean, he's a master. | ||
| Rafael Cordero, one of the original guys from Shoot the Box, the original Brazilian Berserker camp out of Curitiba, Brazil. | ||
| They were fucking animals, man. | ||
| They were just the most feared camp ever at the time, you know? | ||
| But he's so smart and so skillful at taking those grapplers and turning them into elite strikers. | ||
| You look at Dos Anjos, you look at Verdum. | ||
| Verdum out-kickboxed Travis fucking Brown. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Travis Brown's an animal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you figure if Verdun's gonna beat Travis Brown, he's gonna take him down and submit him, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Kicked his ass standing. | ||
| I mean, that was crazy. | ||
| Watch him double jab Travis Brown, you know? | ||
| I mean, that was crazy to watch. | ||
| When you go back to his fight with Junior Dos Santos, or even before that, his fights in Pride, and you see the rudimentary striking he had back then, and then you look at his abilities now, pretty goddamn impressive. | ||
| Cordero is a great striking coach. | ||
| A humble guy, too. | ||
| Really, really nice guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| But if you look at the best fighters in the world, the two best guys in the heavyweight division currently, the best of all time, I kind of got to go with Fedor. | ||
| I just think Fedor, yeah, I think he's the best of all time in the heavyweight division. | ||
| I mean, maybe Kane would have beat him. | ||
| I would have loved to have seen him. | ||
| What about the natural? | ||
| Randy is really a light heavyweight. | ||
| I mean, I think at heavyweight, he was undersized. | ||
| I mean, he was a great, great fighter. | ||
| But I think, honestly, pound for pound, I just don't... | ||
| I mean, Fedor easily could have been 205-2, by the way. | ||
| You know, he wasn't a... | ||
| When you see a guy like that, it's carrying around all that extra fat. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Like, Kane carries around extra fat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Uh... | ||
| I think as long, you know, again, that's... | ||
| Does it matter? | ||
| Obviously not. | ||
| But it does it. | ||
| I mean, look, he's obviously a monster. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But would he be better if he had very little body fat? | ||
| No, not necessarily, no. | ||
| Because that goes back to what we're saying about the rate of force development and how... | ||
| If you look how explosive Fedor is, despite not looking like Hercules, that goes back to what we're talking about, the rate of force development and how the nervous system... | ||
| You know, plays the greatest role in how much force you produce, so how explosive you are. | ||
| He's an interesting case, too, in that he started off his career early on. | ||
| He was into heavy kettlebells, did a lot of lifting, and he was a thicker, bigger guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then as time went on, he talked about how he didn't lift weights anymore, and he just relied on skill training. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just would wrestle and do sambo and kickboxing and all that stuff. | ||
| I remember you asking, I think I heard a show where you're asking, you know, you're wondering what the Russian guys are doing, like these wrestling guys, like what are they doing for their conditioning? | ||
| The truth is, not much. | ||
| They're not doing weights. | ||
| A lot of them, they're just wrestling. | ||
| I know this because, I don't know if you know, I train Aaron Pico. | ||
| Are you familiar with Aaron Pico? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's one of my guys too. | ||
| So I train him, and he goes out there for months at a time and trains with the Russians and the Ukrainian national teams. | ||
| And he says, no, they just wrestle. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| No strength and conditioning at all? | ||
| Not really, no. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Maybe some running and stuff like that. | ||
| I think, well, they've got great wrestlers. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I would almost rather have that than have a detrimental thing in there, like heavy weightlifting or something like that. | ||
| I would rather have them just focusing all their energy on their skill and doing some like cardiovascular training. | ||
| Have you ever seen the workouts that Cain Velasquez does online? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| You want to throw up? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't mean in a good way. | ||
| Let's check it out. | ||
| Cain Velasquez has some weightlifting routines that he has some guy working out with him. | ||
| I showed it to Steve Maxwell. | ||
| Steve Maxwell got angry. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's check it out. | ||
| He's got a video. | ||
| Yeah, show kettlebell swings. | ||
| He's doing like really heavy kettlebell swings. | ||
| I'm not lying. | ||
| Maxwell got angry. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He got angry. | ||
| Steve Maxwell, the kettlebell master, right? | ||
| That guy's been into it for a long time, huh? | ||
| Well, he's not just kettlebell master. | ||
| He's just like an overall fitness guru. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, he understands the human body. | ||
| He's like a real student of all sorts of different modalities. | ||
| Like, watch this. | ||
| Yeah, watch this. | ||
| He's got this giant kettlebell that he's done. | ||
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Oh my gosh. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| It's almost like he's doing... | ||
| Look at how tense he is. | ||
| But it's not really a swing because he's kind of pulling it up. | ||
| Almost like a deadlift. | ||
| It's got to make him stronger, but the lower back thing he's doing is not swing-like. | ||
| He's like popping it up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas, every other kettlebell swing, you'll see. | ||
| I have no idea how it's gonna help him in the UFC. It's gonna make him stronger, I guess. | ||
| It's gonna make him stronger at doing kettlebells. | ||
| I bet he lays a pipe like a motherfucker. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| See if you can find a correct technique, double-handed kettlebell swing, online. | ||
| Like, maybe Maxwell has a video or someone else. | ||
| Or Mike Mahler is very good at that. | ||
| And he's a great instructor as far as, like, proper fundamentals. | ||
| But there's a bunch of those that he has. | ||
| Like, one of them is leg extensions. | ||
| I'll show you the Cain Velasquez leg extension one. | ||
| He'll throw up at that one, too. | ||
| Because he's doing, like, 300 pounds. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Leg extensions and he's doing sets of 20 or 30. I wonder how that happened. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Both shoulders blown out. | ||
| Is his shoulders repaired? | ||
| See this guy. | ||
| This guy's using three pounds. | ||
| This might not be the best guy to look at. | ||
| But this is how it's supposed to look. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He's popping his hips forward and the arm swings. | ||
| That's why it's called a kettlebell swing. | ||
| Yeah, I went through the kettlebell phase too like 10, 15 years ago. | ||
| You were an early adopter? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love them. | ||
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Do you? | |
| My favorite thing to work out with. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| For an athlete, I wouldn't have them doing them, to be honest. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for guys like you and me, as we're getting older, I'm going to be 42. I need to keep the muscle on a little bit. | ||
| For general fitness, I don't think there's anything wrong. | ||
| Performance-wise, like I said, the movement pattern there, you're sitting back on your heels. | ||
| You're training, excuse me, you're sitting back on your heels, you're training yourself to... | ||
| I felt it affect me. | ||
| Like, I've been in that position where I've been training with guys, and I'm like, fuck, why is this guy taking me down? | ||
| I'm way better than this dude, but he's beating me to the punch every time. | ||
| Because I was sitting back on my heels. | ||
| I was in that kettlebell posture when I'm standing there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I'm standing there with my back bent and my heels are flat on the ground. | ||
| Why couldn't I get off my toes? | ||
| Because I've trained my body to sit back on the heels. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So your body automatically went into that posture. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you can retrain that though. | ||
| That's the good thing. | ||
| It takes some time. | ||
| But you train the forefoot so you're quicker on the... | ||
| How many times have you heard it in sports? | ||
| Man, these guys are on their toes now. | ||
| They really look great. | ||
| They're... | ||
| You know? | ||
| What do you think about, like, Turkish get-ups for grappling? | ||
| I'm a big fan of those. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I don't know how that plays into grappling. | ||
| Just being able to lift heavy weight off of you, get up off your back, have that core strength. | ||
| Again, like, I don't know. | ||
| I think at a high, really proficient level of jiu-jitsu, you're not going to lift anything off you. | ||
| You're going to move around it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, maybe the best... | ||
| Shoulder stability, maybe? | ||
| Does it help in that way? | ||
| It's only gonna help wherever you... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was having this problem with my back and this guy gave me advice. | ||
| This guy was a strength and conditioning coach to do a lot of windmills. | ||
| He was like, windmills, you know, kettlebell windmills, like dropping down like that, are really good for stabilizing the spine, stabilizing the shoulder joint and, you know, anything that is in the thoracic area. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Opening that up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The cervical area as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do you think about neck exercises? | ||
| I love them. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| But I'm not big on like the neck bridging. | ||
| I think that the discs are so small in the neck that, you know, you put, man, I used to do like 45 pound plates on my chest and do the neck bridges on the back of my head. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It was just stupid. | ||
| I've got this exercising machine that straps onto your head. | ||
| I mean, you look like a retard. | ||
| Is it that eight-way neck machine? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Or is it a different thing? | ||
| Damn, maybe I have a picture or something. | ||
| I don't know if I have a picture on my Instagram or not, but no, it's... | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| It's called a halo. | ||
| Oh, I've seen that. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| And it's got a strap under the chin and a Velcro strap on the top, and you pump it up with air, and it's like this big metal thing. | ||
| I mean, you look ridiculous wearing it. | ||
| And what do you do? | ||
| And you can exercise in all ranges of motion. | ||
| It has like an elastic band that you'll attach to a wall, so you can put just a little bit of tension on it. | ||
| See if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
| If not, I have a video on my phone. | ||
| I don't know if he can show that on there, but... | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But it's pretty cool. | ||
| If you could email it to him, he could show it. | ||
| Don't give out his email. | ||
| No battery? | ||
| No, you don't have a battery? | ||
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No. | |
| We have a charger, I'm sure. | ||
| That's an iPhone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is there a charger? | ||
| This thing? | ||
| Is this it right here? | ||
| Similar to that. | ||
| Neckflex Halo? | ||
| No, this one is a little more hardcore. | ||
| The one I got is about $700 or $800. | ||
| Does it have a... | ||
| So it has a rubber band? | ||
| Yeah, it's got like a band attachment. | ||
| Man, do you have a thing? | ||
| I can plug this in and I'll show you. | ||
| Is there a... | ||
| There's a plug back there somewhere? | ||
| Right behind you? | ||
| That's it, right there. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Check this thing out. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Look at this fucking thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little spaceship-looking thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so this... | ||
| I really like this. | ||
| Oh, so it rotates, so it moves around. | ||
| Yeah, so you can hit every angle. | ||
| Mmm, okay. | ||
| And that's the pump-up part. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The little... | ||
| So you put it on. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Oh, I have seen this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've seen this very video. | ||
| So it has this thing on, and it's just a rubber band that's the resistance? | ||
| Yeah, exactly like that. | ||
| Or you can use it with a weight stack. | ||
| So he's moving his head and spinning around in a circle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you can exercise at all different angles. | ||
| What is the resistance, though? | ||
| Is the resistance the spinning of his head, or is it pulling? | ||
| It's a combination of the two. | ||
| That looks like a cable. | ||
| So if you see it's pulling right there, he'll be exercising the side of his head. | ||
| If he faces it, he'll be exercising the back of his neck. | ||
| Excuse me, the back side of his neck. | ||
| He looks like he's got a steel cable, like he's doing a lat pulldown. | ||
| Yeah, he's probably got it hooked up to like a cable machine. | ||
| But I have a guy I'm training right now. | ||
| He's actually going to Mexico next week for a title fight, but he put on two inches in the last month. | ||
| Oh, his neck? | ||
| Yeah, on his neck. | ||
| Is that good? | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking great. | ||
| It's 108 pounds with a 16-inch neck. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's called the Iron Neck Dynamic Neck Strengthening Rotary Cable Attachment. | ||
| Gives pointers as he takes a college football player through the Iron Neck Basic Workout. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| So you have this guy. | ||
| He puts this exact thing on that you got right here. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then what do you have him do with this? | ||
| Similar stuff to what you just saw right there, like rotational exercises of the neck. | ||
| And it's all circular movements, all different movements. | ||
| And that doesn't fuck with the discs or anything? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Because it's very lightweight? | ||
| Well, yeah, if you're going to go on there and put like, you know, 80, 90 pounds on there, 100 pounds or something. | ||
| What do you think about those traditional ones that people use, those leather things with the chain that hangs down? | ||
| I'm not a big fan of them. | ||
| I think because it's too linear, and again, you don't really get the stretch out of the muscle. | ||
| It's just like an isotonic contraction, so that's just the same weight going up and down over and over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, would you recommend something like that to somebody who had a neck injury they're trying to recover from? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think, actually, I believe they use them at the Disc Institute or the place in L.A., you know, Marina Del Rey, the spine or whatever, disc or something like that. | ||
| Whatever they have the places, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think they have it there. | ||
| So they use that for rehabilitation? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| Because there's a lot of different, like Kelly Starr again, I hate to bring him up again, but he hates a lot of these machines that are out there, like those machines where you can lean inside. | ||
| Yeah, four-way neck, flexion extension, all that stuff. | ||
| Do you hate those things, too? | ||
| I don't hate, but I just don't use them. | ||
| I think the pattern of the movement is too linear. | ||
| It's not efficient enough for sports and stuff. | ||
| Right, so it doesn't mimic how you would use the neck in real life. | ||
| Same like a squat or maybe a bench prep. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because I think if there would be a way to strengthen your neck up, that would be really crucial for striking sports. | ||
| Anything where your head's getting jolted back more than it should. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then the endurance of the neck is like, you know, you're in a longer bout. | ||
| You know, you can't resist anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then your head flies back more. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think it's been shown, too, to reduce concussion, like the damage from head injuries, you know. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| So, Ruslan, we use that thing frequently. | ||
| He can do it also with like an exercise ball. | ||
| You can put it against the wall and roll your head against it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's a lot of different ways. | ||
| He can use a towel. | ||
| So, I mean, I've got a lot of different modalities I use. | ||
| But, yeah, we really focus with Ruslan on like durability for this training too. | ||
| Really building the abdominals and the obliques and the lower back and then the neck. | ||
| And what kind of exercises do you do for the abdominals? | ||
| You know, I like the, we call it the horse, but the glute hand machine. | ||
| You can do a lot of abdominal exercises on there. | ||
| You can do, like, the Russian twist. | ||
| I like that exercise. | ||
| I like a lot of, like, medicine ball, rotational medicine ball throws. | ||
| So the glute hand machine, you're, like, leaning back, way back on, like, the big padded hump. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, that one, yeah. | ||
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| Why do you like that one particularly? | ||
| It's pretty versatile, I think. | ||
| For how basic it is, I think it's pretty versatile as far as the amount of exercises and how specific you can get with each muscle group. | ||
| If I want to target your obliques, I can hit that oblique so easily just by turning your hip a certain way. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I can find all these little weak areas in the abdominals. | ||
| And the feet lock in in sort of a similar way to an old school sit-up bench? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| How's those old school sit-up benches? | ||
| Are those bullshit? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think you can get some good work done on those, believe it or not. | ||
| But they're not as good as the... | ||
| No, my preference is the glute ham. | ||
| I like that better. | ||
| That's the glute ham? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And that's a guy facing forward, you have him face backwards as well? | ||
| Yeah, you can go both ways, yeah. | ||
| Lower back, you want to get the back in there. | ||
| And that machine seems like it would give you some spinal decompression as well, right? | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| It's phenomenal for the lower back. | ||
| And is that guy holding a weight in his chest when he's doing that, if you look up? | ||
| What are those two guys doing on the right? | ||
| They're banging. | ||
| That's the way to do it, if you're going to bang a guy. | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck is that? | ||
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What the fuck is that? | |
| That's the same guy. | ||
| That's two different faces. | ||
| Come on, is it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| No, this guy's banging his buddy. | ||
| That's how you do it. | ||
| You know, it's pretty interesting. | ||
| You know how that machine was invented was the Russians took a pommel horse And they moved it up to the wall. | ||
| They stuck a 2x4 on the wall. | ||
| And they just put their feet on the wall and do back extensions over it. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, pretty cool, huh? | ||
| That is pretty cool. | ||
| Have you seen the reverse hyper? | ||
| Yeah, I have. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| I think it's good. | ||
| I have one of those back there. | ||
| I love that thing. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's some... | ||
| Is that better, do you think? | ||
| The glute ham? | ||
| I think the way you do the exercise is the most important. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| What's cool about the reverse hyper is on the descending, it's got like an active decompression. | ||
| It's like releasing. | ||
| Oh, is that right? | ||
| Yeah, well you feel it. | ||
| You feel like pulling. | ||
| On your lower back slightly, and then you're lifting up and strengthening all that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now this, like for sports performance, the speed at which you do that would be a crucial factor. | ||
| You want to feel the stretch out of the tendons and ligaments before it fires back up. | ||
| And the weight that you would put on it. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| How much weight would you put on that? | ||
| Maybe start off with two and a half pound ankle weights at first. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And just build it up. | ||
| So you explode up, lower down. | ||
| I don't load guys up with weight unless the quality of the movement and the speed will not be compromised. | ||
| So if that's compromised, then there's no sense in moving it up. | ||
| For me, it's all about getting the guy faster, producing more force. | ||
| So when you have a guy like Dos Anjos, and you obviously got him in incredible shape, do you incorporate any traditional exercises that people are familiar with? | ||
| Like, say, hill sprints or sandbags or anything? | ||
| Hill sprinting is kind of, like, that's old school, you know? | ||
| Like, I used to do that shit like crazy, but fuck, man, I pushed myself to the limit. | ||
| Like, oh, my heart rate's like 190. Wow, I'm really pushing it, 195. But it slows you down. | ||
| Your sprinting should be done for speed. | ||
| Again. | ||
| So running up a hill, why would you try to go fast? | ||
| You're running against resistance. | ||
| You're making yourself slow. | ||
| It's actually been shown that it's proven. | ||
| You can look this up in the strength and conditioning manuals, whatever, that downhill sprinting has been shown to increase the top speed in sprinter's performance. | ||
| Downhill? | ||
| Because you're decelerating. | ||
| You're slowing yourself down. | ||
| Because it's forcing your body to adapt to a higher speed. | ||
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Oh. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So instead you're going up hills, you're forcing your body to adapt to a slower speed. | ||
| But you feel like you're gonna fucking faceplant at any moment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think the biggest misconception with all the resistance type training is that somehow you're gonna put the weight down and you're gonna move faster. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People believe that. | ||
| But why? | ||
| Because you can lift the heavier weight and so your muscles are stronger and it makes you faster. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Doesn't work that way? | ||
| No, it doesn't work that way. | ||
| Wasn't there some sort of a study on power lifters that they found out that power lifters that increased their ability to do vertical leaps and all sorts of other different explosive exercises just because of power lifting? | ||
| There might be some truth to that and Olympic lifting as well. | ||
| They found there are good sprinters. | ||
| But you would say that that's strengthening of the feet? | ||
| I'd say that has a lot to do with it, but also the strength of the quadricep in relation to the leg in relation to the rest of the body, but how do they move laterally? | ||
| How do they move rotationally? | ||
| That's where they're deficient. | ||
| Well, when you see a really big bulky guy in the UFC, it becomes super obvious when they fight a guy who can move, you know, moves real good. | ||
| They're almost like stuck in mud. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you see, but you know, for some guys, like their style, like Husmar Palhares, you know, he's a guy where that big, beefy fucking build, all he's trying to do is grab ahold of your leg and rip it apart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like, it's almost for him, it seems to benefit him to be... | ||
| Like, really over-muscular and super strong because he's about that very small movement. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Or a very small group of movements, rather. | ||
| It's pretty interesting because I'm actually training another guy from the UFC. I just started working with him about a month ago. | ||
| Ricardo Demanche Abreu. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Cyborg? | ||
| No. | ||
| Ricardo Abreu. | ||
| This guy's another really good jiu-jitsu guy from Brazil. | ||
| But this guy is... | ||
| How long has he fought in the UFC? I don't know how many fights he has now. | ||
| Maybe this will be his second or third, I think. | ||
| He's pretty new. | ||
| I'm thinking a cyborg or brew. | ||
| He's fighting on the June 6th card, I think. | ||
| There's one on June 6th, right? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It's one of the fight night cards. | ||
| Yeah, he's fighting on that one. | ||
| Oh, there he is. | ||
| Yeah, that's him. | ||
| How many fights he had in the UFC? Just one. | ||
| One? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fight Night, René Gachoc, Hoodie Fight, Wagner. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's another guy. | ||
| I mean, you look at this guy and he's just like freakishly built. | ||
| Oh, he was in the Brazil card, the Miocic versus Maldonado card. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really good Jiu Jitsu too, this guy. | ||
| He's fought with Hadra Gracie and all those guys. | ||
| But he is a classic case of a guy who's lifting. | ||
| I mean, he's huge, but just ripped. | ||
| And he's lifting all these heavy weights slowly. | ||
| I got him out there the first day of sprinting. | ||
| I couldn't believe how slow the poor guy was. | ||
| Slower molasses. | ||
| It blew my freaking mind. | ||
| Here's this gigantic muscle-bound guy. | ||
| And the guy couldn't. | ||
| It looked like he was jogging. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe he was taking it slow because he thought you were going to torture him. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| Go slow today. | ||
| My friend, I don't want to get that tired. | ||
| And then I have him do like a throw-off like what I showed you with the plyometric bench press type movement. | ||
| Maybe like 45 pounds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The guy can barely throw it off six inches. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because his muscles are trained to be short and slow here. | ||
| So the body remembers the movement pattern and the speed, not just, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| So you're training slow twitch. | ||
| And now, already a month later, like, getting huge gains, like, getting explosive, like, Friday was a breakthrough day. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A month later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So you would take a guy like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's a good example. | ||
| Thick, very physically strong. | ||
| He's obviously freaking huge, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what do you do with a guy like that? | ||
| Like, what's the first thing you do? | ||
| First thing I do is get a movement, dynamic movements. | ||
| Getting him to move a little quicker on his feet, learning how to do more coordination exercises, but keeping him loose and dynamic rather than anything that's tense and going to tighten him up. | ||
| Even the shadow boxing a month ago, it looks like slow motion. | ||
| Now it looks pretty good. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| You can do so much progress or make so much progress happen in such a short period of time. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's really... | ||
| I'm not going to say it was easy because this is one of the harder cases. | ||
| Usually it takes about two weeks before I start seeing a difference. | ||
| But, no, once you get that breakthrough and you start seeing them moving differently and quicker, man, it's on from there. | ||
| It's like, okay, now we can start really progressing and hitting the nervous system with really, like, intense biometrics and stuff like that. | ||
| Now, how cutting-edge is this style of training? | ||
| I mean, Marinovich, did he invent all this? | ||
| Marv did was he took... | ||
| Uh, scientific studies from, from what the Russians had developed back, you know, during the Cold War period, and he translated into his, his exercises. | ||
| And so, I'd say at least 80% of what I'm doing is, is stuff that he's come up with. | ||
| 80%? | ||
| Yeah, maybe 75, 80, yeah, but something like that. | ||
| And how did you do, did you do like an internship with him? | ||
| Like how did you? | ||
| Yeah, um, And even if it's not what he's doing, it's something along the lines. | ||
| You know, it's something similar. | ||
| It's very heavily influenced by what the Russians came up with and their studies of the nervous system. | ||
| And so Marv took these things and translated it into exercises and it's just been phenomenal. | ||
| Like, you know, it's just... | ||
| It's really... | ||
| You gotta try it, man. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| Come fucking work out with me for two weeks. | ||
| I'll change your life. | ||
| But you're way the fuck down there. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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So what, dude? | |
| Where are you? | ||
| I'm in Woodland Hills. | ||
| Oh, look, you're here right now. | ||
| I'm in Burbank, bro. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| Okay, we'll do it. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Change your life. | ||
| You're a guy with an open mind, you'd be blown away at the difference. | ||
| Well, I would love to, just from the point of view, I mean, first of all, for a person, I'm always trying to work on, you know, different things and improve different things about my performance physically, but I also, as a commentator, I think... | ||
| It would help. | ||
| I think it would help a lot. | ||
| That's what... | ||
| One thing I really like, Joe, is how you've educated the fans. | ||
| And this is something I think maybe boxing needs a little bit more of. | ||
| It's like educating the fans on the different techniques and strategies of the fighters. | ||
| You remember that one fight? | ||
| I think it was Anderson Silva and the crowd was booing. | ||
| I think it was Anderson Silva. | ||
| He won and the crowd was booing. | ||
| You're like, why are you guys booing? | ||
| That was like a great performance, like a fucking strategic performance. | ||
| Well, I loved Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao. | ||
| You did? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I love skill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, skill is very important to me. | ||
| I didn't love it. | ||
| I respect it. | ||
| Like, I respect Mayweather's skill. | ||
| Like, he's a phenomenal boxer. | ||
| I just would have liked to see it for 200 million bucks. | ||
| Like, go for the kill, dude. | ||
| You know, the guy's tired in the 12th round. | ||
| Put a little something out there for the fans. | ||
| I loved it, but I didn't love it as much as I loved Canelo Alvarez, James Kirkland. | ||
| Like that was more, or Matisse and Provodnikov. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was more my, I mean, that was definitely more crazy to watch. | ||
| I mean, one of my favorite fights of all time in the UFC, I mean, there's been a few favorite fights, but Dan Henderson versus Shogun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which was just phenomenal. | ||
| I just watched that the other day, man. | ||
| Oh my god, that gave me brain damage just watching it. | ||
| The other one I watched the other day was the Don Frye versus, uh... | ||
| Takayama? | ||
| Oh, wow! | ||
| Yeah, that exchange when the two of them were in the corner, and we're just collars high, haymaker, haymaker. | ||
| That was bleeding out of his eyeball, man. | ||
| That was insanity. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah, that was crazy. | ||
| Some of those pride fights were fucking absolutely nuts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I'm a fan of skill. | ||
| Like, that's why I said Mighty Mouse is one of my favorite guys to watch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Vanderlei's probably my all-time favorite. | ||
| Although Vanderlei's skillful, what I loved about Vanderlei was just you knew you were going to see some fucking chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When that guy got in there and started rolling his knuckles, he knew you were gonna see some shit. | ||
| I'm so happy that he got that lifetime ban rescinded. | ||
| I don't know whether or not he was on, I don't know what the fuck he was on, but I do know that the vast majority of those guys are doing something to help them recover and when you take a guy and you take away his livelihood forever, you say you can never fight again. | ||
| That to me is just disgusting. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You do that to Kung Lee too, right? | ||
| And they took it back or something like that? | ||
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No. | |
| Kung Lee, they were going to give him a one-year suspension. | ||
| They were going to give him nine months, and they tried to shift it to one year. | ||
| He had agreed to nine months, and then when they tried to shift it to one year, that's when he started hearing all these people on the internet that were saying that the tests that they did were not proper. | ||
| Yeah, mishandled or something, right? | ||
| Either mishandled or the protocol wasn't established. | ||
| What the UFC did is they kind of overstepped their ability. | ||
| If you're going to have someone get tested, you really have to have some WADA-type organization come in and handle it. | ||
| People that have been doing that forever. | ||
| The people that handle the testing did not do the best job. | ||
| I see. | ||
| The results were in question. | ||
| They would not have probably held up in court, and the UFC had to stand down. | ||
| So now, Kung Lee is involved in some crazy lawsuit with the UFC, and he's a part of the whole class action lawsuit thing. | ||
| But I think he was also kind of on his way out. | ||
| I think it's a bit of a money grab in certain ways. | ||
| But I think the Bisping fight was It was an interesting fight because Kong looked great. | ||
| He was ripped, chiseled, and that's why people were like, what the fuck is going on with that guy? | ||
| Like, what is he up to? | ||
| He gets these tests, the results in question, but the tests apparently showed very high growth hormone rates, like unusually high. | ||
| But when the tests are in question, I'm obviously not a doctor or a scientist. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck really happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Guy looked awesome at 40-something for the first time ever. | ||
| He looked fucking yoked and jacked. | ||
| It was a pretty quick transformation. | ||
| Kind of like Juan Marquez when he fought Pacquiao. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, that was an interesting one, too. | ||
| Same gym or something. | ||
| Well, he was Pacquiao's guy. | ||
| Pacquiao's old guy. | ||
| Alex Ariza, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of that going on, you know? | ||
| When you hear, okay, we kind of talked about this slightly, but you didn't touch on it. | ||
| There was a bunch of people, like Bobby Green was accusing Rafael Los Angeles. | ||
| Is he a fighter? | ||
| He's a high-level fighter in the UFC's lightweight division. | ||
| What's he ranked, you know? | ||
| He's highly ranked. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, if he's not 10, he's top 15. I don't know what rank he is. | ||
| I'll find out. | ||
| But he's a very good fighter. | ||
| I think his exact quotes were Pettis got played by a PED cheat. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| But it's just speculation, right? | ||
| Is that the guy that Raphael trained with? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the one, I think. | ||
| I think they trained together. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| He told me about a guy running his mouth. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| And that he came up to Raphael and was all humble and wanted to train with him. | ||
| And then they started training. | ||
| The guy was complaining, don't kick me here, don't kick me there. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's the same guy. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| But what do I think about that? | ||
| I think the guy, if he's not top three and he's saying that, he's probably just trying to make a name for himself. | ||
| And it's pretty disrespectful to Raphael, but it's kind of complimentary to me. | ||
| Like, okay, cool. | ||
| Like, stoked, man. | ||
| You think it's that good? | ||
| All right, come on, sign up. | ||
| See what we do. | ||
| His body does not look that much different. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| Look, if you're juicing, dude, you're going to have traps up to your ears. | ||
| You're going to look like a freak. | ||
| But not always. | ||
| Look at Lance Armstrong. | ||
| Lance Armstrong. | ||
| But he's taking EPO. He used to take an EPO and testosterone and a bunch of other things as well. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| He's taking a cold cocktail. | ||
| But to be honest, I'm not that educated on this stuff. | ||
| But I'll tell you this. | ||
| If I've got him at 12,500 feet altitude doing sprints, I'm not going to have... | ||
| I'm going to make damn sure he's clean. | ||
| Because if you're taking any kind of stuff, I don't know what the hell that could do to your body. | ||
| Thicken your blood up or something like that. | ||
| Meal EPO. Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Can you imagine that? | ||
| And then you're taking 12,000 feet? | ||
| That's like ridiculous. | ||
| Bobby Green or whoever you are, go through a workout and see what he does, and then you'll see why he's the best. | ||
| Do you think that this sport has an issue? | ||
| I mean, it seems to, there's at least a perception that there's an issue with PEDs. | ||
| Do I think it does? | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| I'm sure there's an issue. | ||
| Why do you think that exists? | ||
| Do you think it exists because of improper training or because guys want to get an edge? | ||
| Because I think that, man, Joe, if you and I are trying to reach for that cup of coffee and you take something and I know you took it and I want the coffee, I'm going to take it too. | ||
| If I think it's going to give me a benefit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's totally understandable. | ||
| If one guy, if you don't have proper training and you feel slow and you need to take some shit to feel stronger... | ||
| You're gonna do it because you know the other guy's doing it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What did you think about the whole testosterone replacement therapy debacle? | ||
| Which I think is a real debacle. | ||
| I mean, I think the way they handled it was just ridiculous. | ||
| They gave it to people. | ||
| They allowed it for a few years. | ||
| You had these staggering performances. | ||
| Like, Vitor is the poster boy for testosterone replacement. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think if it's a medical thing, and like you've been to a doctor and they say, hey dude, this is it. | ||
| I think if it's regulated to the point where it doesn't put you above an average level of testosterone, then I don't see how it should be a problem. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| It benefits you. | ||
| It gives you quicker recovery, allows you to train harder. | ||
| Right, but I'm saying as long as it's not above an average level. | ||
| So if you're deficient, let's say your total testosterone is 100, and the doctors are monitoring it thoroughly, and you show up every week and they're doing a test, and they can show, like, hey, this is his thing, and it's 300. That's it. | ||
| Then I don't know if that would be... | ||
| I'm not condoning drugs, but I'm just saying maybe that would be an acceptable way to let it in. | ||
| I agree with you in a perfect world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think there's too many variables. | ||
| If your testosterone is low, you probably shouldn't be a fighter. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And also, it's probably... | ||
| It's indicative of one of two things. | ||
| Pituitary gland damage or gonad damage. | ||
| Or you took steroids. | ||
| And now you're not... | ||
| Yeah, and your body shut down, and that's what a lot of guys were doing. | ||
| They were taking it, and then when you add in exogenous, is that how you say it? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Testosterone, your body goes, all right, we got plenty of this, and it stops its natural production, and so then you would do that, and then go get tested, and then the doctor would say, oh, your natural production is way down. | ||
| Way down, exactly. | ||
| You obviously need testosterone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, um, that's what a lot of guys were getting away with. | ||
| With good training, you don't need it. | ||
| With a great diet. | ||
| Like, Raphael, like, the guy saying that, I don't know who he is, but... | ||
| You have to understand there's a reason he's the champion, and it starts with his mind and his discipline and his dedication to the fighting. | ||
| He came here with nothing, dude. | ||
| Like, his diet is impeccable. | ||
| His training is impeccable. | ||
| I mean, he drives two hours to train with me, dude. | ||
| That's dedication. | ||
| Like, do all the PEDs in the world you want. | ||
| If you're not willing to make those sacrifices to beat him, like the same sacrifices that he makes, you're not going to beat him. | ||
| So when he goes down to train with you, how many days a week does he do this? | ||
| Three to four days. | ||
| Three to four days, depending upon how he's looking. | ||
| And sometimes I'll go down there, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Or how he feels, you know, sparring's really hard, or he's got something the next day, you know, then we'll take it off. | ||
| But, yeah, I really think it's kind of disrespectful to him, dude. | ||
| Like, he put in so much work. | ||
| How many, five fights in the last year? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But six training camps. | ||
| Well, you look at the guys he's beaten, too. | ||
| He's beaten some insanely high-level guys. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And towards the end, we're not going to lie, it started to take its toll on him. | ||
| Look, he got a partial tear of the MCL. He was getting worn down. | ||
| And now he really needed a break. | ||
| The other thing is the guy walks around with like 180, probably about 190, 193. Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've seen him at the weight cuts. | ||
| You see how emaciated he is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The guy's fighting in an emaciated state. | ||
| He's probably fighting about 172, maybe 173 on fight night. | ||
| So imagine you take a guy who's 190 and strip off 20 pounds. | ||
| Of course he's going to look ripped and lean. | ||
| Like, we all look like that underneath, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So these accusations are kind of like, they're very disrespectful, I think. | ||
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But people think it because of his stamina, is that it? | |
| Well, his stamina, for sure. | ||
| He's just a monster. | ||
| Whenever you see someone who excels at a very high level, people go, hmm, how's he doing that? | ||
| I do that, too. | ||
| I question some guys, too. | ||
| Like, there's some guys in the UFC I question. | ||
| And it's because their bodies have changed a lot over time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Over the time. | ||
| And there's some guys, you look at it and go, okay, what? | ||
| Like, when Hector Lombard tested positive, nobody went, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| No way! | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Hector Lumber had muscles that weren't even in books. | ||
| You go like medical books and they go, what the fuck is that? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's not even a human muscle. | ||
| I don't even understand what drug he would need to take to have, like Rafael, I don't even know what drug he would need to take to have great stamina. | ||
| That's easily trainable. | ||
| The problem is all these guys are doing such improper training that they're making me look even better. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So if you took a guy that had poor stamina, like, okay, let's take BJ Penn, for example. | ||
| Did you think BJ was on PEDs when he fought Diego Sanchez? | ||
| No. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, I watched his training. | ||
| Well, first of all, BJ's one of those guys. | ||
| There's only a few guys, yeah. | ||
| He wouldn't even take a fucking IV for the Frankie Edgar fight. | ||
| He wouldn't even rehydrate with an IV, which I think is crazy. | ||
| But BJ's one of those guys where I don't think he's done anything ever. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't think he would either. | ||
| Why do people think Rafael has? | ||
| Because he's Brazilian? | ||
| Yeah, that's one reason. | ||
| And he's not like the most handsome dude in the world. | ||
| Sorry, Rafael. | ||
| What are you trying to say? | ||
| No, but you know what I mean? | ||
| He's not going to be on the cover of a Wheaties box. | ||
| Like, yeah, he's from Brazil. | ||
| The dude comes here to fight. | ||
| I mean, he's a fighter, dude. | ||
| That's how fighters look. | ||
| Sorry, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's obviously done, even if he had done any sort of PED, there's no fucking PED in the world that makes you that good. | ||
| That's hard work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hard work and dedication, 100%. | ||
| Not only that, but they did blood and urine testing for the fight. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I think it was three weeks out from the fight. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And then they did urine testing after. | ||
| I mean, they can detect some stuff from what I understand. | ||
| Like, I'm not like a master of Mexican supplements, but I know a little bit. | ||
| And so, yeah, I just keep bringing the compliments, man. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| So if you took a guy, like a guy that was known for not having the best stamina in the world, a guy who fades, how much time would you need to get him to a point where he had a fight? | ||
| Like, say if he's fighting a title fight. | ||
| Like, let's take a guy who's known... | ||
| Here's a good example. | ||
| Tyron Woodley is one of the best 170-pound fighters in the world. | ||
| Carries a lot of muscle mass. | ||
| You look at Tyron, he's fucking huge. | ||
| I mean, it's amazing that guy makes 170. That guy is yoked as fuck. | ||
| When he gets in the cage, I don't know how much he weighs, but it ain't 170. Right. | ||
| And he's known for being very fast and very strong in the first round, but slows down a little bit in the second round. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How much time would you need with a guy like that? | ||
| And what would your advice be to a big, muscular guy like that? | ||
| Three weeks. | ||
| Probably about three weeks, I think. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'd probably get him going in three weeks. | ||
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Three weeks? | |
| Yeah, three weeks. | ||
| How come you only need that much time? | ||
| I'm just kind of trying to base that off of like past experiences. | ||
| I'd say about three weeks to get him up ready for about five rounds. | ||
| He might struggle a little in the fifth round, but you give me a full training camp with a guy, he'll do like seven or eight rounds hard, no problem. | ||
| What is a full training camp for you, ideally? | ||
| Roughly eight weeks. | ||
| So if you had a guy and you wanted to get a guy to the best possible shape for five rounds, he'd say he's going to be fighting Robbie Lawler for the title. | ||
| He's got to go five rounds through fucking hell. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| How long would it take? | ||
| Depends who it is. | ||
| And again, what he's had in the past. | ||
| So I'd have to assess him first. | ||
| So if you give me a guy who's got good cardio and his stamina has been... | ||
| He's known for stamina or he's not known for stamina? | ||
| He's not known for stamina. | ||
| I could have him ready for probably like four or five weeks. | ||
| And would you take a guy like that who's got a lot of extra muscle? | ||
| I'm sorry to interrupt, but again though, he would have to prioritize that in his training. | ||
| So something else might have to be substituted because training energy systems is very taxing. | ||
| Let's say we're doing sprints or we're doing something to train the energy systems one day, then he might have to shorten his wrestling. | ||
| He'd have to be willing to make a sacrifice to shorten his wrestling. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to find an even trade-off where you don't compromise all the aspects of what the athlete needs. | ||
| So the skill work almost takes second place. | ||
| If the guy's conditioning is bad, you have to look at the athlete as a whole. | ||
| So if the guy sucks at wrestling, but he's got great stamina, then you need to devote more time to the wrestling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or same with striking. | ||
| If the striking sucks and he's good at jiu-jitsu and he's good at wrestling, he's got no stamina, then you've got to devote a little more time to the stamina and the striking to try to build that up. | ||
| Again, with a skill, there's only so much you can do in one training camp. | ||
| That's more like a year-long process. | ||
| Now, do you hook your guys up with nutritionists if they don't have one? | ||
| Do you have someone that you use? | ||
| No, you know what? | ||
| Usually they have their own guys. | ||
| But if they ask me, then I'll help them. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But, you know, I'm not a licensed nutritionist or anything like that. | ||
| But I know Raphael's using George Lockhart, who's getting kind of popular, and he's pretty happy with him. | ||
| And I think Ricardo's using him, too. | ||
| A lot of these guys, they get their meals prepped way in advance. | ||
| They get them in, like, little tubware boxes, and they keep them in their fridge, and then they heat them up before each meal. | ||
| Sun Grill or something like that. | ||
| They deliver to your house. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, there's one Sun Foods or something like that. | ||
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| Yeah, and they can deliver, like... | ||
| And it's all athlete? | ||
| Prepared stuff. | ||
| Yeah, they can do like they can you can tell what you want like a menu or something like that I think I think it's called Sun Foods or something because I would think that the more things you could take out of the athletes mind that they have to think about the more resources they have yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah When they developed this sort of style of training, was this met with skepticism? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It still is. | ||
| Still is. | ||
| Yeah, there's going to be a lot of haters on the comments on YouTube, I promise. | ||
| No, I'm sure. | ||
| You can't squat. | ||
| What do you mean you can't do a deadlift? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unless you can... | ||
| Show us the proof in what you're saying. | ||
| We already know the proof is out there. | ||
| You just have to read the fine text of the nervous system training, the records that they have on the nervous system training. | ||
| I think my theory is that this whole thing with the weightlifting came about because they needed a universal... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, they needed to be able to put a number on improvement. | ||
| And so they would use weights because it's universal. | ||
| So that can kind of show, regardless of whether or not it's good for sports, it's just showing an improvement in strength. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's before they have all the fancy monitors. | ||
| Athletes in the U.S. now are gravitating farther and farther away from weightlifting. | ||
| A lot of the football guys, they do it because they have to. | ||
| They don't like to do it. | ||
| They don't like the way it makes them feel. | ||
| The boxers hate it. | ||
| I haven't met a boxer yet that has told me, yeah, I want to hit the weights. | ||
| They don't like it because it makes them too stiff and it makes them too slow. | ||
| Marquez was lifting a lot of weights for that Pacquiao fight when they showed that 24-7 or whatever the fuck HBO calls it. | ||
| Is that what it is, 24-7? | ||
| When they showed his routine. | ||
| I mean, a lot of it was like weightlifting. | ||
| Dumbbells, heavy dumbbells. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty crazy, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he wasn't clean for that. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Just wasn't? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, I showed up looking like a 24-year-old beach model, man, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, 41 Mexican, 41 Mexican, you know, it's like been through wars, like, you know, I mean, it's like, you guys showed up, that was ridiculous, I mean. | ||
| Yeah, and it might be, that might have been a fight where Pacquiao was clean for the first time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there was always a lot of speculation about him as well. | ||
| And then, you know, he found Jesus in a very deep and meaningful way for a while. | ||
| And his body changed a little bit. | ||
| His body changed quite a lot. | ||
| Eight divisions. | ||
| Eight world titles. | ||
| Eight different way divisions. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| And kept his knockout power all the way up to the top. | ||
| Just about. | ||
| Well, actually, he hasn't knocked anyone out though in the last, what, five years or something like that? | ||
| You've got to be thinking about who he's fighting though. | ||
| He's fighting world-class competition. | ||
| Very difficult to hit. | ||
| I mean, the last big KO was like, what, Ricky Hatton? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he fucked up Chris Algieri. | ||
| I mean, he knocked him down. | ||
| Yeah, that was pretty nice, right? | ||
| He looked great in that fight. | ||
| Chris Algieri, though, he's got some balance issues in his feet, I can tell. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know, you can tell, Joe, by looking at a guy's calves. | ||
| So the gastrocs, the two calf muscles on the side of the calf right there, if they're really underdeveloped, the guy's chances are the guy's got poor balance. | ||
| Those two are fast twitch muscles that control your balance. | ||
| So like Pacquiao's footwork is freaking amazing, right? | ||
| You see the size of his calves? | ||
| They're watermelons. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that plays a crucial role in lateral movement and footwork. | ||
| So you take a guy, you look at, Juan Marquez doesn't have great footwork. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Have you seen his calves? | ||
| They're like noodles. | ||
| What about John Jones? | ||
| John Jones is another guy. | ||
| Very skinny calves. | ||
| He doesn't have very good footwork. | ||
| He's quick. | ||
| His upper body's quick and he's got quick leg kicks, but he doesn't have the greatest footwork, I don't think. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think so. | ||
| Raphael has pretty good footwork now. | ||
| He's in and out real quick, you know what I mean? | ||
| You see that in the Henderson fight, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, uh, who else? | ||
| Yeah, to be honest, I haven't been following the UFC that much lately. | ||
| Your work with Dos Anjos is what got me excited about talking to you. | ||
| Have a lot of fighters started contacting you now? | ||
| Yeah, I've been contacted by a lot of guys. | ||
| You know, I'm very, like, uh... | ||
| I'm very kind of choosy about who I train. | ||
| Like, I... It's only so many hours in the day, right? | ||
| Not only that, but there's different personalities, man. | ||
| It's exhausting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Guys who don't want to listen or they don't want to push hard enough. | ||
| I don't have time for that anymore. | ||
| I'm done with that. | ||
| Like, I did that in the beginning. | ||
| I ate a lot of shit and had to deal with it. | ||
| Now, it's like, dude, if I sense right off the bat you're not serious, I'm just, we're done. | ||
| And that's how the Marinovich has treated BJ in this camp with Frankie Edgar? | ||
| Yeah, but I think the Marinovich really cared about BJ, dude. | ||
| It's a funny thing when you're working with a guy that close. | ||
| You really get attached to them. | ||
| You really care about their well-being. | ||
| And I think they took it as kind of like a... | ||
| Like an insult and almost like a stab in the back when he questioned their intelligence as far as training goes. | ||
| Their programming, the way they program the training camp. | ||
| I think they were hurt by that, you know. | ||
| To this day, I mean, Gary and Marv, you know, if you talk to him, they're still saying, you know, I just can't figure out why he had it. | ||
| He knew how he felt after the training. | ||
| Why would you get rid of it? | ||
| Why would you... | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| You know, it's also when you're that good and you have so many yes men around you. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| It's very hard. | ||
| That's the biggest problem, I think, was staying in Hawaii, man. | ||
| All the Hawaiians are going to hate me now. | ||
| But staying in Hawaii... | ||
| The reason why you stay in Hawaii is because Hawaii is fucking awesome. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking great. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But the same training partners over and over, that's just... | ||
| Monotony kills athletes. | ||
| It does, and also being the baddest motherfucker in the room. | ||
| You have to be, yeah. | ||
| You got to be challenged. | ||
| Even here at the RUCA training, when they're at the RUCA training camp for the Diego Sanchez, we had amazing guys in there. | ||
| I was in there training with them every day. | ||
| Benson Henderson was in there. | ||
| Ifran Escudero, who just won the Ultimate Fighter that year. | ||
| A lot of other guys, Division 1 wrestlers, BJ just tore through everybody like they were nothing. | ||
| I didn't see one person get the better of him. | ||
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| Imagine a cage filled with like 15 of these intense like hardcore lightweights and BJ's just walking through all of them. | ||
| His timing was so precise. | ||
| The elastic energy in his muscles, the elastic strength that he had, his explosive power was just remarkable. | ||
| His takedown defense when he was at his very best was absolutely retarded too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He'd be able to hop around on one leg. | ||
| I mean, his flexibility is ridiculous. | ||
| I tried to take him down many times. | ||
| To no avail. | ||
| What kind of flexibility did that guy have? | ||
| Ridiculous, dynamic flexibility. | ||
| He'd do a lot of stuff with rubber straps and stuff, pulling on them and resisting and stretching. | ||
| You know, at this camp, he was doing all the same stuff that basically that I'm doing, that I do with my guys, like the dynamic stretching. | ||
| A lot of the exercises on the stability ball and workouts in the pool, like stuff they use for rehabilitation, but you can progress that and use it for performance as well. | ||
| So if it's good for rehabilitation, you know, you take it to another level, it's got to be good for performance. | ||
| What is your education background when it comes to this stuff? | ||
| I went to continuation school in high school. | ||
| I got obsessed with weird things. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| What's continuation school? | ||
| You know when you get kicked out of high school. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| You gotta go to continuation school. | ||
| I've never heard of that before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have an informal background, training background. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| Marv did too. | ||
| Marv majored in fine arts from USC. Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was my major in junior college, was fine arts and psychology. | ||
| So everything you learned, you sort of learned along the way from reading and studies and data. | ||
| Rehabilitating my own body after the car accident. | ||
| That was big. | ||
| I went to supposedly the best physical therapist in the area, and six months later, I've got a huge bill and no results. | ||
| So I just took it into my own hands, started researching it, finding out what to do, and then within a month or two, I'm already back at work feeling great. | ||
| And how long have you been training fighters now? | ||
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How many years? | |
| Fighters? | ||
| You know, like, before I started training the fighters and strictly doing conditioning, you know, I was also working with, like, football athletes and soccer. | ||
| I've got a ton of college athletes, you know, I don't think I can talk about them because of NCAA rules or whatever. | ||
| You can't use them for reference. | ||
| Promotion. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But, um, some pretty high-level ones. | ||
| A lot of high school athletes. | ||
| But prior to that, I had a jiu-jitsu academy also. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| So I've always been in the mix with the Jiu Jitsu scene and MMA scene and stuff like that. | ||
| So now I've just had so much more success with the conditioning that I've just gone that direction. | ||
| Well, one of the things I like about this conversation is there really is no straight consensus about what's the right way to train athletes and fighters, and especially fighters. | ||
| I think when it comes to strength and conditioning, fighters, I think, is probably the most varied. | ||
| I mean, I think the NFL kind of has an idea of how to train football players. | ||
| NBA players train in a very similar fashion, but with fighters, man, it's across... | ||
| I mean, there's... | ||
| You saw that Cain Velasquez is the baddest motherfucker on the planet. | ||
| And you saw what he's going through. | ||
| Want to see his leg extensions? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| Pull up Cain Velasquez leg extensions with 300 pounds. | ||
| I'm just wondering how good this guy could be with good training. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Well, he's got great wrestling training and great kickboxing training. | ||
| Great conditioning, let me say that. | ||
| I'm just wondering how good he can be with that. | ||
| His fucking conditioning is insane. | ||
| His stamina is insane, but his speed and his coordination, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it could be even at another level. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Let's put it this way, Joe. | ||
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Look at this. | |
| This is 300 pounds on the leg extension machine. | ||
| What do you think about this? | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| That's going to help. | ||
| I don't know what that's going to help. | ||
| It's going to build up his quads, I guess? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What part? | ||
| Leg extensions? | ||
| One muscle in the quad. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is not going to help? | ||
| Like throw leg kicks or anything? | ||
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No. | |
| Is this all caveman shit you're looking at? | ||
| This is not even caveman. | ||
| This is like Nautilus, like Jack LaLanne type stuff. | ||
| I used to work at a place that I used to teach people how to do that. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah, when I was like 19. I worked at a place called the Boston Athletic Club in South Boston. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| I used to teach people how to lift weights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when I see that, I just wonder how much better the guy can be, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| With good training. | ||
| I mean, I know what works. | ||
| I've been around this stuff for 15, 20 years, you know, strength and conditioning and seeing what works. | ||
| And it just... | ||
| I know it works. | ||
| Like, Marv, too. | ||
| Him and his brother combined, 70 years of experience. | ||
| Maybe more. | ||
| Maybe it's 80 now. | ||
| They've seen everything. | ||
| Marv was one of the guys responsible for designing the combine, the football combine, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| About 40 years ago. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, so he's seen everything. | ||
| To argue with him about it would be just ridiculous. | ||
| Like, you're way out of your league, you know? | ||
| It's like talking to Helio Gracie about Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's nothing you're gonna bring to the table that he hasn't seen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Despite all the monstrous stories that you hear on ESPN, he was one of the worst sports fathers. | ||
| It's media, dude. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| He's actually one of the most generous fucking guys. | ||
| Out of trainers that I've met, he's one of the most generous and was one of the most transparent guys that I've ever met. | ||
| Honest guy. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| All about the product. | ||
| The problem with the ESPN documentary was that his son went off the rails. | ||
| And when the son goes off the rails, everybody looks for someone to blame. | ||
| That he was too strict, didn't give his son sugar. | ||
| He didn't even let his son eat meat, right? | ||
| I think he did. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| There was something in the documentary they were saying. | ||
| They didn't let him have wheat gluten, I think. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Even back then? | ||
| I think they were saying meat. | ||
| I saw it really recently. | ||
| Maybe it was certain types of meat. | ||
| Yeah, when I knew I was going to talk to you, I think that's when I watched it. | ||
| But it's fascinating to see a guy with that much knowledge take his son and turn him into this fucking super freak athlete. | ||
| I mean, in certain ways, it was vindicated. | ||
| His techniques, his strategies, I mean, look how good his goddamn son was until he got crazy with the drugs and the partying and all that stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The idea was that the discipline was too much, then he couldn't take it anymore, and then he had to start boozing and doing drugs. | ||
| You know, you can blame it on whatever you want. | ||
| Nobody put the stuff in his mouth more, you know what I mean? | ||
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Right. | |
| It's a good point. | ||
| And you could get ten different personalities. | ||
| I mean, you know you have a son. | ||
| If you have more kids, I have three, they come out of the box completely different. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm worried about, man. | ||
| I love my son so much, I don't know if I want anything different. | ||
| Oh, believe me, you'll love the other. | ||
| My two youngest are completely different. | ||
| I love them equally. | ||
| They're totally different. | ||
| But they have their own little thing going on. | ||
| But the point being that... | ||
| Different children, different humans will react differently to different forms of diversity that they face. | ||
| There's only so much you could do as a parent. | ||
| You know, you can't really totally protect them and shield them. | ||
| And it seemed like his son has come back from all that stuff and he's okay now, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's an artist. | ||
| His art's pretty bitchin' too. | ||
| I guess he's living up in Oregon. | ||
| I don't really know Todd very well. | ||
| I've actually never even met Todd. | ||
| But yeah, I guess he's living up in Oregon. | ||
| He's got some killer art, man. | ||
| And there's also the reality that when you push your son or your daughter or anyone, any human being, people have a resistance to some of that shit. | ||
| And they don't want to do what you want them to do. | ||
| And they develop a distaste for something, even something that they're really, really talented at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's possible as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know what the funny thing is? | ||
| Did you ever read that story about his son running like a 10K or something when he was like four years old? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| He was running like an eight minute mile or something when he was four years old. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And I asked Marv about that one day. | ||
| I said, Marv, what the hell is that? | ||
| Like, you know, like an eight minute mile. | ||
| He's like, so yeah, you know what I can't figure out, Nick, is why everybody thinks I made him do it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I didn't make him do it. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| He wanted to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he had that drive and that intensity in him, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's kind of like shed some light on some things right there. | ||
| Well, hey man, you know, whenever someone comes out in a weird way, there's a lot of people trying to point blame in a lot of different areas, whether it's the friends or the family or the... | ||
| It seemed like his college coaches had a real issue with him as well, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They were trying to put him in a box. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then he kind of took over and it worked. | ||
| Yeah, took over and made the coach look pretty foolish, and they didn't like that either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is the name of that documentary, if anybody wants to watch it? | ||
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Do you remember? | |
| Was it like 30 on 30 or something? | ||
| Or the Marinovich Project, wasn't that it? | ||
| I think that was it. | ||
| Yeah, and they talk about Mars in the beginning, talking about he's an undefeated wrestler, undefeated boxer. | ||
| That's great, man. | ||
| A lot of people don't know that about him. | ||
| He was a football player too, you know? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| But he was also an undefeated boxer and wrestler through the army in college. | ||
| And his fascination with training athletes was more powerful than his fascination with competing? | ||
| Well, he was so, I guess, Marv was so into weightlifting and he felt it destroyed his athleticism. | ||
| Once he went to the Raiders and he was competing with the guys in the weight room, he was squatting a thousand pounds. | ||
| And he said his athleticism had never been worse when he was doing that. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And that just destroyed his professional career. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that was in the 60s, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's got to be in the 60s. | ||
| So you figure he had that awakening 50 years ago. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's been developing this stuff for years. | ||
| Nick, thank you very much for your time, man. | ||
| Thanks, Joe. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| This was a great conversation. | ||
| I really, really, really enjoyed it. | ||
| And anybody who wants to check out your gym, what is the name of it and where is it at? | ||
| Speed of Sport. | ||
| You can go to speedofsport.com. | ||
| Speedofsport.com. | ||
| And it is located in... | ||
| Torrance, California. | ||
| In Torrance. | ||
| And Speed of Sport on Twitter... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's your handle. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Very enjoyable conversation. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| All right, friends. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow. | ||
| See you later. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Thanks, Joe. | ||
| Thanks, man. |
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