April 28, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| My guest today is a young man, a very intelligent young man. | ||
| And his name is Charles Johnson. | ||
| And Charles Johnson, very controversial. | ||
| When I said that I was going to have him on, oh my God, I got a lot of fucking hate from people. | ||
| But that's just a part of the program of life. | ||
| He is a journalist and he is a seeker of truth. | ||
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| Whether they're right or whether they're wrong, you're going to have to figure that out for yourself. | ||
| But I enjoyed talking to him. | ||
| So without any further ado, please welcome Mr. Charles Johnson. | ||
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All day. | |
| Boom, and we're live. | ||
| Hello, Charles or Chuck. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| So Chuck is my internet name. | ||
| Charles is like my real person name. | ||
| Oh, you're one of those dudes. | ||
| You got a dual personality thing going on? | ||
| Well, somebody took, some dude in like Michigan took at Charles C. Johnson. | ||
| So I was like, all right, Chuck it is then. | ||
| Does anybody actually call you Chuck? | ||
| Yeah, like my grandma and like a few people from Boston, but not that many folks. | ||
| What part of Boston are you from? | ||
| I'm from Unit 7 Hillstop, like on the Red Line. | ||
| What would that be? | ||
| Like the Dorchester Southeast line. | ||
| So I'm from there. | ||
| Then we moved to Milton when I went to school. | ||
| Dorchester's a rough neighborhood. | ||
| It was more rough back in the day. | ||
| Now it's become kind of a Vietnamese kind of, you know, there are lots of gays that have moved in. | ||
| It's kind of moved a little upscale. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| The gays are very good at making things upscale. | ||
| It's gentrification. | ||
| You're allowed to say the gays still, but you can't say the blacks. | ||
| Have you noticed that? | ||
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The gays? | |
| I have noticed that. | ||
| My rule is that if it's one syllable, if it's like fewer syllables, you should be allowed to say it. | ||
| The. | ||
| But African American, it's really like a long word. | ||
| Like blacks, it's just simple. | ||
| It's like quick. | ||
| You can tweet it faster. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Caucasians. | ||
| Too much. | ||
| Should be whites. | ||
| The whites. | ||
| You can say the whites because they're, you know, the preferred. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| How would you say? | ||
| The privileged class? | ||
| You're allowed to say the whites. | ||
| But if you say the blacks, it sounds like derogatory. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It depends on the tone, too. | ||
| Like, I think Jews is one of those words, too, where if you say the wrong tone, it's bad. | ||
| Yeah, if you say the Jews have won more Nobel Prizes than any other people, then you're all right. | ||
| European Jews, which is true. | ||
| They've won more Nobel Prizes for science than I think than any other race or gender or religion. | ||
| It's not really a race, though. | ||
| Jews are very confusing because you would call it a race, but it's not necessarily based on a religion. | ||
| But they don't proselytize, so it's kind of its own thing. | ||
| And then you just look at how wealthy they are and how successful they are. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| It's a grind to get into. | ||
| If you want to become a Jew, my uncle Salvatore Dijolando became a Jew, married a Jewish woman, and he had to go through the whole grind. | ||
| But that motherfucker had to work. | ||
| Like, you got to learn a bunch of shit. | ||
| You got to go to Hebrew school. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| It's pretty legit. | ||
| It's so legit. | ||
| It's not like, you know, I became a Catholic and it was kind of easy. | ||
| Just got to show up for a few things. | ||
| Yeah, like you could be a born-again Christian tomorrow. | ||
| You can walk into any church and say, I want to be a Christian. | ||
| Like, come on in, son. | ||
| The Lord has touched you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or you just have to say, what is the Shahada for Muslims, right? | ||
| Is that what you have to do? | ||
| You just have to say that, and you're good. | ||
| Like, that's all it is. | ||
| Not the Jews. | ||
| You got to jump through hoops. | ||
| You got to work. | ||
| They got to look at you sideways. | ||
| They're vetting you. | ||
| I don't know about this motherfucker. | ||
| When did they start using the term youths for blacks? | ||
| Because that is. | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| That is, they never say youths stealing and rioting when they're dealing with white people. | ||
| They will say white teenagers causing violence. | ||
| They don't say youths. | ||
| Well, you remember like two years ago, there was like this Huntington Beach riot when people were stealing bicycles and stuff. | ||
| I was there, like with my wife. | ||
| We were just like chilling on the beach. | ||
| And we start seeing all these cops show up. | ||
| And we're like, what the hell's going on? | ||
| Like, is it martial law? | ||
| Like, what's happening? | ||
| Cause in the movies, you know, like some stuff starts to happen and then like all the cops show up and it's like riots. | ||
| So it's like, we were just kind of confused or whatever. | ||
| And the whole like riot took place in like an hour and people like turned over a few porta potties. | ||
| And so, everyone's been like tweeting out pictures of that as like white people riot too. | ||
| And I'm like, no, no, like this is not, this is not comparable. | ||
| Like, I was there for that, I didn't even know what was going on. | ||
| Well, the only way you could compare it is: are there pockets of white people that experience such absolute poverty like pockets of black people? | ||
| And until you have that, it's really difficult to make that sort of a comparison. | ||
| Like, there's no giant ghettos of white people the way there are giant ghettos of black people. | ||
| I don't know what that would even look like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, sure, like the Depression, like back in the old days. | ||
| Yeah, like maybe Irish and the Italians back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, back in the early 1900s, I'm sure there were places like that. | ||
| We also used to be like a much more violent, like white people used to be much more violent, I think, too. | ||
| Like, if you just think about like the index of like barroom fights and all that stuff, it's all been like plummeting. | ||
| And I don't know if that's because we're becoming like pussies or like what that's about. | ||
| But like, if you just think about it, like, when was the last time you heard of like a legit bar fight recently? | ||
| In Canada. | ||
| They still fucking throw down in Canada. | ||
| Yeah, but they're Canadians. | ||
| It's kind of like a different thing. | ||
| Yeah, they're a different kind of white people. | ||
| They're more polite, too, which is odd. | ||
| But they will fuck you up in a bar. | ||
| Like Jack on Hyde, the booze flows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It comes out. | ||
| Well, it's also they have a long tradition of hockey fights. | ||
| So they have like this sport that you could use as like an analogy to society. | ||
| And in that sport, occasionally shit goes wrong and they just start duking it out. | ||
| But you know, like, I was talking to Govin McInnis, and they like, they, like, don't have black people there. | ||
| It's like the strangest thing. | ||
| What do you mean, in Canada? | ||
| Yeah, but not, I mean, they have them, but they're like not on our scale. | ||
| Like, they don't have like urban ghettos like we have. | ||
| Right, that is true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, um, there is sort of no Baltimore equivalent in Canada. | ||
| Well, they didn't have the level of slavery. | ||
| I'm sure there was some slavery in Canada, but the level of slavery in comparison to the United States. | ||
| I mean, we conveniently, people always want to go, oh, that was so long ago. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, 150 years, right? | ||
| That ain't shit. | ||
| I mean, Ben Affleck's ancestors owned slaves, right? | ||
| Isn't that funny that he was trying to cover that up? | ||
| I want to know what that conversation was like. | ||
| Like, if Skip Gates comes in and he's like, yo, there's something you should know. | ||
| Like, I want to know what that was like. | ||
| How would you break that to somebody? | ||
| I guess you would call them. | ||
| Well, I don't understand why anybody would want to cover up the fact that someone in their, I guess, because he's benefited from that. | ||
| Well, he's called for reparations in the past. | ||
| He has. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So I wonder if he's like, should I pay up now? | ||
| Like, how does that work? | ||
| That ain't going to fucking fix shit. | ||
| It's like reparations is like giving people the lottery money. | ||
| Like, lottery winners, they all go broke. | ||
| You just give people reparation money. | ||
| That's not going to make them feel better. | ||
| The only way reparations are really going to work is if you look at, if you look at, okay, say you got 1865 was when slavery was abolished, right? | ||
| Yeah, in this country, yeah. | ||
| Look at the areas where people had slaves. | ||
| Look at the ghettos. | ||
| Look at these almost entirely black communities that are ridiculously impoverished. | ||
| And then look at this cycle and say, all right, there's got to be a way this can be fixed. | ||
| This has got to be a way this can be mitigated. | ||
| There's got to be a way you can, I mean, a lot of people say that that sounds like socialism. | ||
| That's all well and good. | ||
| But until someone steps in and does something with these incredibly impoverished areas, you're going to have this repeating cycle over and over again of people who were born in poverty in crime-ridden streets that have children that were born in poverty and crime-ridden streets. | ||
| And occasionally, an athlete breaks through, and occasionally a comedian breaks through, or a rapper, or a musician, or someone escapes this cycle. | ||
| But most people do not. | ||
| And that is a symptomatic problem with these areas. | ||
| I mean, you have a symptom that needs to be addressed. | ||
| You have a huge issue that needs to be addressed. | ||
| And that's, if you wanted to say that there should be reparations for slavery, that should be the reparations. | ||
| Not like individuals getting a check. | ||
| That's not going to fix shit. | ||
| You got to go in and figure out how to make these areas safer, how to make communities safer, how to make community centers and give people counseling and better education. | ||
| Do you think that would actually work? | ||
| So there's this thing called the Shaker Heights effect, where they found that even wealthy black suburbs in Shaker Heights, Ohio, still don't really do all that well. | ||
| The Asian kids still do better academically. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I used to be one of these guys that thinks that we could just solve the problems of the ghetto and move everyone out and everything would work out. | ||
| But I think there's something to be said that some people like living there. | ||
| There's kind of like an undercurrent of our society that digs the poverty stuff, that digs the gangster style. | ||
| I think a lot of the people that do, it's because it's familiar. | ||
| It's how they grew up. | ||
| I mean, I think if you took that same child from birth and, you know, trans, I mean, if you, if you could, obviously couldn't do it, but if you could live two completely separate lives, if you could have two of the exact same people, and one of them is born to a really happy, educated black couple, and they live in a nice suburb of Atlanta where they go to great schools, and the other one is in Baltimore. | ||
| And you get to see the same child develop with different stimuli and different environment. | ||
| And one of them is like, fuck, I like the ghetto. | ||
| And the other one is like, man, I'm glad I don't live in Baltimore. | ||
| I mean, you, you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know, I got to say, like, so I was talking to my cousin. | ||
| My cousin, like, is an employer in Baltimore. | ||
| Like, I know a number of people like in Baltimore, a number of black people. | ||
| And there's so many people who are just sick of this shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, so many black. | ||
| Like, we never hear from like from them. | ||
| Like, we never hear like, oh, fuck, like riots. | ||
| You know, like, can you imagine like we're just like chilling here and there, like, a riot breaks out? | ||
| I mean, that's like, it's like a legit thing that you have to worry about when you live in some of these communities. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It absolutely is. | ||
| But again, I don't think it's the, it's a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think it's the fault of the people that live there. | ||
| I think the people that live there, if you look at those kids that robbed that RT reporter, did you see that shit? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| That was like something out of like a movie. | ||
| That was like the purge. | ||
| You know what I loved about it? | ||
| They got saved by the cops. | ||
| The RT reporter got saved by the cops. | ||
| The cops came in and tackled the guy that stole the purse from the RT man. | ||
| Like, there you go. | ||
| You need cops, okay? | ||
| So for all these fucking crazy, ultra-progressive, fuck the police people. | ||
| It's not fuck the police. | ||
| It's imagine doing the fucking job of the police. | ||
| It's an impossible job. | ||
| So it is. | ||
| You know, I saw, so, I mean, I was the guy who sued to get Michael Brown's juvenile records. | ||
| Like, we sued unsuccessfully. | ||
| I think we went all the way to the Supreme Court of Missouri. | ||
| Like, I like fought this one really hard because, like, people should know what these communities are actually like. | ||
| Like, Canfield Apartments, where Brown was from, is like a fucked up hellhole. | ||
| And, like, the more we're just, we got to be honest about these places. | ||
| And, like, we need people to actually see them. | ||
| So, whenever we get these riots, it's like, on the one hand, like, it's sad. | ||
| And, like, you know, I'm obviously worried about my family that's there. | ||
| But, like, on the other hand, it's like, it's such a great illustration of like reality, you know, like of like, you know, forget all of your progressive social justice nonsense. | ||
| And like, in the final analysis, when the shit goes down, you either want to have a gun, you want to know a Korean who's got a gun, like you're in LA, right? | ||
| Or you want to like, you know, take care of, take care of business. | ||
| And people don't, people don't get that. | ||
| This whole like, fuck the police mentality is really causing some serious stuff to go wrong in our society right now because people are starting to have this like mindset that like cops are evil, that they're predatory, that they're dangerous. | ||
| And it's obvious why the Obama administration is pushing it because they get these consent decrees in where they can basically rewrite the policing rules and essentially take over the policing departments. | ||
| So it's obvious like it's a power grab for like the control of these cities. | ||
| And that's why like I think we should be very, very cautious about how far we push it because, I mean, yeah, there are some messed up cops and I think, but you know, you have to walk a day in these people's shoes. | ||
| Like I did a ride along with the LAPD, which I highly recommend. | ||
| And there's some stuff that they have to deal with just like on a routine basis that's pretty wild, like even here in LA, you know? | ||
| Oh, they certainly do. | ||
| I think the issue is not that cops are bad and that, you know, we need to clean up the police department. | ||
| The issue is we need to figure out a way to make society safer for everybody involved, including the people that are stuck in those places like Brown's apartment complex and the neighborhood that he lived in. | ||
| And, you know, growing up in that neighborhood, man, you're going to be fucked. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| You're growing up around thugs. | ||
| Your friends are all criminals. | ||
| It's just that people imitate their atmosphere. | ||
| We always have. | ||
| But, you know, like, if you take Brown as an example, right? | ||
| We do a bunch of research on him. | ||
| And he had an, so he went to the second most violent public school in like all of Missouri. | ||
| And he actually chose to stay there. | ||
| Like he could have moved out with, I think his. | ||
| Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, though, is that like, you know, to some people, like, living in these environments can actually be kind of rewarding. | ||
| If you're a big dude and you don't have a lot of skills, you can be Big Mike and be an enforcer, you know? | ||
| Right, but if Big Mike was living in, you know, San Francisco in a really nice neighborhood, progressive parents and went to good schools from the time he was a baby, he would be a different human being. | ||
| I mean, so, yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| But like, even if you look at like, I mean, if you just look at like the numbers for black on white crime, violence, and all that stuff, it's like, it's pretty, it's pretty shocking, even among relatively affluent areas. | ||
| You know, it's, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of discussion, like, is this innate? | ||
| Is this like just something we have to deal with? | ||
| Like, there's this whole debate about the MAOA gene, which is like this gene that black American, you know, black Africans have, like much, it's like a proclivity to violence that they have. | ||
| M-A-O-A gene. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I recommend people Google it and do their own research. | ||
| It's like a big debate about whether or not, but basically like what it is, is it's, you know, if we, if you think about like, you know, kind of white European Asian ancestors as we kind of moved out of Africa, like aggression and violence was kind of less necessary because we were like farmers and stuff. | ||
| But God, is that really true, though? | ||
| I mean, you look at all the violence and murder and death that's been done by the military, and you think about how many people involved in the military are white and how many people making the decisions are white. | ||
| I mean, ultimately, that's white people causing violence. | ||
| True, but large stuff. | ||
| I mean, I totally agree with you, right? | ||
| Like the industrialized kind of like Naziification or like of like the industrial size, like military industrial complex is like a serious threat, no doubt about it. | ||
| But if you like, there's a book by this guy, Steven Pinker, called like a hit about violence. | ||
| And he's basically like, look, if you just look throughout human history, violence is actually going down. | ||
| Because like back in the day, we'd be like in tribal societies and we would go and beat the shit out of this tribe and take their stuff. | ||
| And most of the violence was like we'd spring up on people and then just butcher them and steal their women or whatever. | ||
| And that was like the way politics was back in the world. | ||
| Isn't that hilarious? | ||
| That was like a big thing. | ||
| They would go and steal women. | ||
| We're the women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gonna come steal them. | ||
| It's kind of weird to think about that rape culture versus like this one. | ||
| This fake rape culture that they're trying to promote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I think that if you looked at these people, I mean, if you're saying that as a whole, that white folks are generally slowly becoming less and less violent, whereas there's a certain percentage, whatever it is, of black people that contain this gene. | ||
| Look at what black people have to deal with as opposed to white people, like what we were talking about with Canada. | ||
| Canada has no black ghetto. | ||
| If you're growing up in a ghetto is, I mean, you're fucked from birth. | ||
| I mean, you really are. | ||
| There's really not much as far as options to get out. | ||
| And the constant inundation of negative influences is inescapable. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| I mean, we always talk about people like, you know, getting out of the ghetto and thriving, right? | ||
| Like, we always like, that's always like the thing you hear when you hear about successful black Americans, right? | ||
| It's like the one tuna that gets through the net. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We never hear about people being like, you know, I started a great small business in the ghetto and the ghetto is, you know, my corner of the ghetto has now got Starbucks on every corner. | ||
| Well, that was one of the saddest things about Ferguson was they were robbing black-owned businesses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Smashing down the windows, burning them down. | ||
| I mean, it's just like people were freaking out. | ||
| They were like, god damn it, I'm a part of this fucking community. | ||
| I didn't shoot that kid. | ||
| I didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| You're using this as an opportunity to better yourself. | ||
| You're using this as an opportunity to steal and just take things and claim that it's because this one guy got shot. | ||
| Yeah, and you look at like, you know, like my in-law's family, they're Asian immigrants. | ||
| You know, my wife's an immigrant from, you know, and you look at like the kind of neighborhoods they move into to kind of like, you know, run the corner store or run like The Quickie Mart, or whatever. | ||
| Terribly racist to say that, but nonetheless, it's like there's some truth in the stereotype. | ||
| And then you look at, like, welcome to America. | ||
| We, you know, the Democratic Party, we love immigrants. | ||
| And yet, if you build your little corner of the American dream, we're not going to protect you when the riots start. | ||
| And you look at a lot of these businesses that were like burned out in Ferguson. | ||
| And they were like, you know, a nice guy from India coming to this country, putting away some money for his family, and yet his property was destroyed. | ||
| And there's a whole bunch of right-wing people on GoFundMe trying to raise money to basically make these people whole. | ||
| It's kind of wild. | ||
| But I think the technology plus the history of violence, plus the ghetto politics and the urban policy, I think all that's combining right now to create this massive craziness. | ||
| I mean, everyone's got iPhones. | ||
| Everyone's like, it's like flash mobs meets the real mobs. | ||
| Everyone does have this unique ability to organize riots or protests or meet at this place and meet at that place. | ||
| And I have friends that were involved in the Black Lives Matter thing, and they would organize these things. | ||
| And most of the things I disagreed with, like especially the blocking the highway shit, I was like, you guys are causing death. | ||
| You're going to cause death. | ||
| You're going to cause someone's loved ones to die because they can't get to the hospital. | ||
| That's a fucking fact. | ||
| Yeah, no, it actually happened, I think, on a few occasions. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and then you're doing it because lives matter. | ||
| Like, hey, look, this is the transportation system. | ||
| It's the way we get medicine through. | ||
| It's the way we get people to the hospital. | ||
| It's the way we get important things happen on these roads. | ||
| And you're being insanely irresponsible. | ||
| You want to block something? | ||
| Find out where they make the laws and don't let anybody leave. | ||
| Block that. | ||
| You want to get arrested somewhere. | ||
| You want to make a big stink? | ||
| Go to the fucking Capitol building. | ||
| Block that fucking thing. | ||
| Storm the lawn. | ||
| But you can't block the goddamn highway because that's just too random. | ||
| I mean, you're from the Boston area too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you remember when there was the Boston thing? | ||
| It was like a Black Lives Matter protest in Boston and they shut down the freeway. | ||
| And the guy who was running that was this hedge fund. | ||
| He's the son of some wealthy family. | ||
| And it's always these super liberal white people who are trying to strike back at the system. | ||
| And you look at all those people who are like, I mean, it sounds like kind of silly to say this, but if you're delayed from work for like 30 minutes or an hour, that has a serious impact on your whole day. | ||
| It has an impact on your job. | ||
| I mean, let's say you're trying to huff it to get to work. | ||
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Well, hey, man, protests are not supposed to be convenient, man. | |
| Yeah, but it's like such a dick thing to do. | ||
| Well, it's short-sighted. | ||
| I think the idea that these hedge fund guys realize they were born into this privileged life and they want to somehow or another give back or make an impact, I love that. | ||
| I think that's great. | ||
| I just don't think that's the way to do it. | ||
| And I think that they get organized like, fuck this system, fuck the, yeah, and everybody wants to put a backpack on and run through the street. | ||
| That is not how you change things. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| It's certainly how you make a little bit of a stink. | ||
| You make a ripple. | ||
| You get some cameras on you. | ||
| And I would hope that some of this stuff will stop some cops from shooting kids when they don't have to. | ||
| I mean, I think there are times where a police officer is saving someone else's life or trying to protect their own life and they have to use violent force. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| But there's a lot of times where cops shoot people, where they shouldn't fucking shoot people. | ||
| And you know it and I know it. | ||
| We've all seen the videos, and there's no denying it. | ||
| I mean, like, that's the point. | ||
| The point is, like, you've got to look at the whole thing. | ||
| Like we're talking about with the ghettos and white people and violence. | ||
| You've got to look at the whole thing. | ||
| And the whole thing is determinism. | ||
| There's a bunch of different variables that are taking place that are causing certain actions. | ||
| And if you just say, you know, we got to block the highway to make black lives matter. | ||
| What about a black guy that dies because his fucking wife wants to get him to the hospital because he has a goddamn heart attack? | ||
| What about that black life? | ||
| You don't give a fuck. | ||
| But you know, a lot of it, though, is just like, it's like vanity. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like posturing. | ||
| It's like advertising your virtuousness by how much you hate this, right? | ||
| Or how much you hate that. | ||
| And what's kind of weird to me is that we've created a culture right now where the people who can basically be professional fuck the system people. | ||
| And it's wild that these people exist in our society. | ||
| Basically they wake up every day and they have enough money, they have enough donations, whatever, to basically just fuck the system professionally. | ||
| And it's like to a certain extent, the system probably has accounted for these people. | ||
| To a certain extent, they buy them off by giving them working on Wall Street or giving them prestigious internships. | ||
| But to a certain extent, these people end up becoming tools of the very thing that they're trying to do. | ||
| How so? | ||
| In one way. | ||
| Well, think about it. | ||
| What are they actually like? | ||
| They're not really accomplishing anything. | ||
| And who are these? | ||
| The social justice warrior types, they're basically reflecting the establishment view of the colleges, right? | ||
| And what are these colleges? | ||
| They're basically like giant money pits with have large endowments who then invest in, you know, all kinds of things like in, I mean, in, you know, if you look at like all the investments they're doing, like fossil fuels, you're looking at all the investments they do in like, I mean, colleges are so much a part of the system, right? | ||
| And what they're doing is the social justice workers are taking their crazy nonsense that they're learning in schools and they're trying to imply it to like the rest of society. | ||
| But if we did stuff like, if right away what we did was we said, look, any of these college endowments, they have to pay out like 5% of their, you know, of their tuition like we do with foundations, right? | ||
| Immediately college is free for a lot of people. | ||
| People aren't in massive student debt. | ||
| But instead, the colleges fight for their privilege. | ||
| So I think what I'm trying to say is that basically these people are basically the shock troops for the elite without even knowing that they're shock troops for the elite. | ||
| If you think about like, if we talk like the rape culture stuff, right? | ||
| It's like a perfect example of this. | ||
| People are trying to advance a narrative about women and about society. | ||
| And it's a power grab. | ||
| I mean, it's really as simple as that. | ||
| Like they're trying to end due process rights for young men on campus. | ||
| They're trying to basically give a, you know, if you don't create a Title IX compliant college, you know, what we're going to do is we're going to sick our trial lawyers on you and sue you. | ||
| What is Title IX? | ||
| So basically what the feminists say, right, this is how they get into like the whole college racket. | ||
| We could probably talk about that if you want. | ||
| But basically what they do is they say, all right, you're not creating a college campus environment because you allow too many rapes on campus. | ||
| You're not creating a college environment that's like conducive to men and women. | ||
| So like what you're doing is essentially because you have all these rapists running around, it's harder for girls to get good education. | ||
| So, you have to create these like special courts. | ||
| And if you don't create them to our liking, we're going to sue you. | ||
| And you have a lot of money because of you have these endowments we just talked about. | ||
| And so, it's basically like trial lawyers combining with SJWs to basically. | ||
| SJW being social justice warriors for folks who have a life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's funny how all this stuff has been reduced to three or four characters. | ||
| You know, it's like all like POWs. | ||
| Yeah, it's the Twitter thing that's like infecting your brain. | ||
| It's also military. | ||
| Military IEDs, they love doing that stuff. | ||
| You know, you talk to guys that have been in the military. | ||
| They love using those. | ||
| It's not an acronym, right? | ||
| acronym is like NASA, right? | ||
| If you say NASA, like... | ||
| No, it's like an abbreviation. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| I should know what that is. | ||
| But, okay, so what you're saying is that these people, it almost becomes like a gig. | ||
| Yeah, they never mentally leave college. | ||
| Well, that's a real problem with academics in general because a lot of people who are academics, they went to college, they went to graduate school, they got their doctorate, they got their PhD, whatever they got, and then they started teaching, and they never entered the real world. | ||
| And they live in this world of extreme liberal values, extreme liberal biases. | ||
| Right, and who pays for that? | ||
| Like the tuition of the kids, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And then the endowments of these like massively rich schools, which are all invested in like horribly anti-social justice warrior causes. | ||
| But what is it about colleges? | ||
| This is where it gets fascinating with me. | ||
| What is it about colleges that almost invariably lean left? | ||
| Like there's very few colleges. | ||
| They weren't always this way, right? | ||
| I mean, if you look back historically, like in the 20s and stuff, they were kind of right-wing places. | ||
| I kind of hate left and right. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I kind of hate saying it. | ||
| I'm really mad at myself that I just said it because I am just as right as I am left. | ||
| I mean, I am pro-gay rights, pro-gay marriage, pro-transgender rights, transgender marriage, pro-abortion. | ||
| I'm pro-choice. | ||
| I'm pro. | ||
| I'm so left in so many ways. | ||
| I'm against the drug war. | ||
| I'm against privatized prisons. | ||
| I'm pro-legalization of drugs. | ||
| I'm against police violence. | ||
| But I'm also in the NRA. | ||
| I also think that military is important. | ||
| I think if you go to parts of the world and see how fucked up it is and you don't think you need to have a military, well, you're being a child because we don't live in utopia yet. | ||
| We're not in a time in the world where it's safe. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| We haven't reached some age of enlightenment. | ||
| We're on some strange gradual progression pace to one day be free of all the ape violence that lives in our genetics. | ||
| I don't see it happening anytime soon. | ||
| I mean, if you look at what's happening in Baltimore, it seems like a lot of the times our kind of primal instincts and our kind of violent stuff seems like it's lurking just beneath that thin veneer of civilization. | ||
| But that's Baltimore. | ||
| And here's the other problem. | ||
| We're talking about a country of 350 million people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yet here we are in Woodland Hills. | ||
| Go outside. | ||
| What are you going to see? | ||
| Your birds chirping. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's sunny out. | ||
| People are nice. | ||
| Go to Starbucks down the street. | ||
| They'll say, hi, can I help you? | ||
| Everybody's friendly. | ||
| You know, this isn't barbarian culture of the dark ages. | ||
| Race matters or something. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| When they tried to do that, is that the quickest a company has ever abandoned an idea? | ||
| Let's explain it to people who, a lot of people, again, who have lives, unlike us, they might have missed this first. | ||
| I thought it was ridiculous. | ||
| I thought it was the onion. | ||
| And then I looked into the corporate leadership of it, and they're like all white dudes. | ||
| They're like all white dudes and white chicks. | ||
| Hey, I got an idea. | ||
| This is the way that we can make things different. | ||
| Let's encourage our baristas to talk about race. | ||
| Hey, you want a cappuccino? | ||
| How do you feel about black people? | ||
| What about race? | ||
| I wonder what that, I would say, I wanted to go in. | ||
| So like my buddy and I went into the Compton, you know, Starbucks, like right when they were doing this. | ||
| And I was wearing like a suit and like a, you know, expensive tie, like all that stuff. | ||
| We come in there and like, we're the only white dudes in there. | ||
| Like we're the, you know, we're the dot and the domino. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And we're like walking up and I was so, because they had the race matters things out. | ||
| And I was like reading it. | ||
| I was like, yeah, we try to get them to talk to you. | ||
| We beat you. | ||
| And like, and like behind me is like a nation of Islam, like, you know, coffee meetup because apparently they have those. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| I'm not making this up. | ||
| Bean pies and coffee. | ||
| And there's like a picture of me like, yeah, I put it up on my Twitter of me like reading the race matters thing while they're behind me discussing. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| You have that on Twitter? | ||
| I have that on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, find that photo. | ||
| Find that Twitter and let's put it, I'll retweet it. | ||
| That's fucking hilarious. | ||
| But so explain the campaign because a lot of people have no idea what it is. | ||
| So basically, there's this idea that Starbucks had, which was that like the future of the country, their view is that we're going to be a much more racial society, which is probably true, like, you know, diversity and all that, people moving in, immigration and so forth. | ||
| And so their view is that we need to get ahead of it and we need to talk about race because that's like a big issue. | ||
| And their attitude was like, if we get people together talking about stuff in coffee shops, it will be like, you know, it's like the old salons of the 1850s or something. | ||
| People are going to be like debating issues and politics and all this. | ||
| And it just totally backfired because people were not having it. | ||
| They were just making fun of it. | ||
| They were making fun of the guy who was the head of it. | ||
| It's fucking unbelievably stupid and poorly planned out, too. | ||
| The idea that you're just going to put that on, like, weren't they writing it on cups or something like that? | ||
| They were going to write, yeah, they were going to write it on cups. | ||
| They were going to basically like. | ||
| Hashtag race together. | ||
| Is this the guy? | ||
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This is the guy. | |
| I swear to God, I thought this was an onion thing. | ||
| Because you know, there's stuff like there's stuff on the internet now. | ||
| I mean, it's so preposterous. | ||
| Race together. | ||
| What the fuck does that even mean? | ||
| That's a terrible hashtag. | ||
| It sounds like something for the marathon. | ||
| Race together. | ||
| You know, like maybe if you were running a marathon and everybody donated and the charities went towards the human race. | ||
| Or it's like if you read it, the non-PC, it's race to get her, right? | ||
| That was a friend of mine who was tweeting. | ||
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He was like, is this a subtle rape culture thing? | |
| Oh, no, what a backfire. | ||
| Well, that's why they capitalize the T and the R, sir. | ||
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No, but You can't not see it once you see that. | |
| Oh, you can't not see it. | ||
| Because there's a picture of the chick. | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| She's got her hands up. | ||
| Like, don't rape me. | ||
| I have fins. | ||
| I don't even have hands. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| But Starbucks, I think, stopped being cool when they changed the chick. | ||
| Like, remember, way back in the day, she had like, you could see her boobs and everything. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Those cowards. | ||
| And they changed it so she's like now some androgynous. | ||
| What's wrong with boobs? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| Everybody relax. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's kind of nuts. | ||
| The race together, though, I mean, did you race to get her, we should just say. | ||
| We should just call it that. | ||
| So this race to get her idea was they would put a hashtag on the cup and what would spark up a conversation that would lead the fucking line. | ||
| The lines are long enough for Starbucks. | ||
| Those slow poke-ass motherfuckers need to drink their own coffee because they're always real slow. | ||
| Well, imagine if you're like, imagine if you're like actually a barista, right? | ||
| So you're like there, you're probably a barista. | ||
| Like nobody like sets out and like, yeah, I'm going to be a Starbucks barista. | ||
| Like this is not like something you set out like wanting to do with your life. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure it's a perfectly good job, but like nobody's, nobody dreams about this when they're a little kid. | ||
| And so you're working there, you know, you're having to deal with all these like, you know, bitchy, caffeinated people, right? | ||
| And like you're supposed to just like, you know, take some time out to go and discuss race with some customer, some like stranger. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a very anti-employee mindset, right? | ||
| Like, and they're timing them. | ||
| They time them on their drink orders. | ||
| So it's like kind of a really? | ||
| Like, how so? | ||
| Do they tape it? | ||
| No, what they'll do is they'll time people on like how long does it take you to do this coffee like when they're doing the training, you know, the training stuff. | ||
| And they want you to basically, you know, do it faster. | ||
| But apparently your experience is that it hasn't sort of worked out. | ||
| Well, they're not that bad. | ||
| I'm fucking around, joking around. | ||
| But, you know, I have been to Starbucks where they're slow as shit. | ||
| There's no double cappuccino in that guy's diet. | ||
| You need to fucking kick it up, a little son. | ||
| I got to get out of here. | ||
| I wish you could pay to get faster in line like you can at TSA. | ||
| You know how you get like this. | ||
| You know, like I know that's like a terribly privileged thing to say. | ||
| But sometimes you're like, you know, trying to get to work or whatever or trying to get to somewhere. | ||
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Right. | |
| And you're like, fuck it, I need my coffee and I need to just get out of here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And there should be some way you can be like, nope. | ||
| Like, I don't know what you have to pay a year to get like the expedited service or something. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know either. | ||
| I've gotten that accidentally before, but I never, I never, I always say I'm going to sign up for it, but I never sign up for it. | ||
| Ari tried to sign up for it and they denied him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he's an asshole to TSA. | ||
| He's always an asshole to them. | ||
| He got screened once. | ||
| This guy, he farted in front of this guy and go, go ahead, you got to smell my fart now. | ||
| And he like farted like really loud. | ||
| Because his idea is that this is not protecting anybody. | ||
| This is absolutely a violation of our rights. | ||
| And if you don't step in and protest it, it'll escalate. | ||
| My buddy Neil, he's a TSA agent. | ||
| He couldn't get a job anywhere else. | ||
| And he hates it. | ||
| It's like the most soulless job ever. | ||
| And he was saying like, God bless you to people right before they're getting on their flights. | ||
| And the TSA people are like, no, you can't say that anymore to people. | ||
| And he's like, well, you made me swear an oath to like, you know, under God to like, you know, like, why can't I just, he's not even like a super Christian guy. | ||
| He's just like, you know, God bless you. | ||
| Like, have a nice day. | ||
| It's kind of his way of doing it. | ||
| Just trying to be nice. | ||
| Yeah, just trying to be nice. | ||
| And they're like, they're dick. | ||
| Yeah, see, the Nation of Islam people in the back. | ||
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It's funny. | |
| Where are the Nation of Islam people? | ||
| They're back. | ||
| Like the dude behind the chick is there. | ||
| And then there's some other folks in front of me, too. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So my. | ||
| And it was all black people working behind the counter and everything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Did you ask anybody? | ||
| Did you interview anybody? | ||
| How they feel? | ||
| I was like, well, what's going on with this? | ||
| And they're like, we don't know. | ||
| Like, they just put these things here. | ||
| They're just trying to get paid. | ||
| Why the fuck do they have to deal with this stupid shit? | ||
| Could you imagine if like you're supposed to be some social justice engineer while administering cappuccinos? | ||
| It's so goofy. | ||
| It's such a weird thing to ask your employees to do. | ||
| Terrible idea. | ||
| Like nobody's doing this at Home Depot. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What kind of education in the subtle nuances of race relations are you giving these people before you have them communicate publicly on behalf of your company while an employee? | ||
| Like I couldn't think of a more poorly thought-out idea executed by a giant corporation. | ||
| I totally agree with you. | ||
| And then the fact that it was designed all by white people is the weirdest part of it. | ||
| Does that guy have a black girlfriend, the older dude, that was in the race to get her? | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| He might have a hot black girlfriend and she's trying to... | ||
| Is that what he does? | ||
| Yeah, that's what he does. | ||
| You think he feels like he can criticize black people? | ||
| No, he said this. | ||
| He said, I've had black hair on my pillow. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| He's fucking say it that way. | ||
| He said stuff like that. | ||
| Oh, that's so gross. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I've had black hair on my pillow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, you gross. | |
| It's such a weird thing to do. | ||
| It's the weirdest fucking statement. | ||
| I've had black hair on my pillow. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, I think he said it on some like marriage counseling thing, too. | ||
| You know how they have guest judges or whatever? | ||
| I remember watching that. | ||
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I was like, whoa. | |
| Yeah, that dude's crazy. | ||
| I just think that if you just, I think he's probably just trying to be like a, you know, because he's a joke writer and he's like a one-word, one-line, you know, impact sort of a guy. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Like, that's a kind of snake. | ||
| I've had black hair on my pillow. | ||
| And you could say things like, that's like something that you could see on his show. | ||
| Like, that would be a line that, like, it's concise, it's quick, it has a period at the end of it, and boom, it has an impact. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, something you could see on his show, but it didn't quite work. | ||
| Yeah, you can't fault him too much for it because of the way he communicates, like for a living, but as a person. | ||
| Like, if you were hanging out with him. | ||
| Well, you know, in fairness, like, I get some shit on Twitter because like, so I kept getting all this stuff, like, you're anti-immigrant, you're all this stuff, because I was like tweeting out stuff like, hey, we should be kind of careful about this amnesty stuff. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, I hate immigrants so much I married one. | ||
| And then all these people were like, all these people were like, you're using your Asian wife, you know, to like protect you or whatever. | ||
| And then I just hashtagged it, my Asian wife, you know, and I was like, my Asian wife, yeah, like I was just like making fun of it. | ||
| And then people thought I, like, the social justice warriors thought I was serious. | ||
| So like all of like the Asian social justice warriors started being like, you know, my Asian wife is like a cultural like appropriation, you know, whatever nonsense they were spewing. | ||
| And I remember just sitting back, like, yeah, as my, as my wife and I were like having, like, I think we were having like omelets or something in the morning, like just sitting on, you know, like, and when you, you know, when you wake up on a Sunday and you're still in your pajamas or whatever, it's like, holy shit, honey, I think I accidentally started a movement. | ||
| That is a very funny line, though. | ||
| You said, I hate immigrants so much, I married one. | ||
| That's very funny. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of funny. | ||
| The amnesty thing would be that people that have been in this country for a certain amount of time be allowed to be United States citizens? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, here's basically the gig, right? | ||
| So, like, people like my wife came to this country from Indonesia. | ||
| Can't really swim from there. | ||
| It's kind of a long way. | ||
| And, like, they waited in line. | ||
| They, like, followed all the rules and all this stuff. | ||
| And then we've got all these people who come into this country illegally from like, you know, Mexico south of the border just because it's easier to get here. | ||
| And there are a lot of folks who want to make them citizens. | ||
| The Democrats want to do it because they get, you know, lots of voters. | ||
| The Republicans want to do it because they get cheap labor, you know, and basically drive down wages. | ||
| Some Republicans want to do it. | ||
| And I'm just like, you know, it's probably not a good idea to like, you know, give away citizenship like this because we have a lot of people who desperately want to get in here. | ||
| And it's kind of like, it's kind of racist in a way. | ||
| It's kind of like pro-Mexican in a way if you think about it, just like logically. | ||
| Because, you know, there are people from Africa, from Europe, whatever who want to be in. | ||
| Give a much harder time. | ||
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| And it's just like, it's a much kind of unfair process. | ||
| You know, I have a very, I would say, unrealistic or utopian view of this whole thing. | ||
| I feel like, first of all, I'm not a big fan of nationalism. | ||
| I'm not a big fan of borders, but I'm also not a big fan of fucking it up where people have figured out how to get it right. | ||
| And not necessarily that the United States has got it right, but I think the real solution is not to make it easier for people to immigrate. | ||
| The real solution is to make it easier for Mexicans to live in Mexico. | ||
| Oh, totally agree. | ||
| Like Mexico. | ||
| Mexico is amazing. | ||
| You could go there on vacation. | ||
| It's fucking beautiful. | ||
| It should be like, but there are all these anti-white people laws there. | ||
| There are all these anti-gringo laws. | ||
| Like you can't own beachfront property if you're a white guy there. | ||
| You can't? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You have to go. | ||
| Doesn't Jesse Ventura have some crazy beachfront property? | ||
| He probably has some like Alibaba dude, you know, who like, no, seriously though, like, you know, they have like some Mexican guy who's like the front man for him that runs his thing. | ||
| But like there are all these anti-gringo rules down there. | ||
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| And it's kind of like my attitude is like everything we allow Mexicans to do in the States, we should be allowed to do in their country, right? | ||
| I should be able to get a driver's license in Mexico. | ||
| You know, you should be able to do all this stuff. | ||
| And why not? | ||
| Like, I think the real tragedy about the Mexico, first of all, like the drug war is like a stupid policy. | ||
| We got to get rid of it because it's like clearly fucking up Mexico. | ||
| But we got to just like make Mexico like a good place to live because maybe that way they won't all move here. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And who can blame them? | ||
| Like if you were if you live down there like and you're like in cartel land and you go to the US and you get paid like 15, you know, 15 times more money than you would otherwise. | ||
| I mean, why the real question I have is like, given how shitty things are in Mexico, why are so many of them still there? | ||
| You know, like you have like a great country. | ||
| Well, there's a fucking wall, first of all. | ||
| Well, sort of, but like people are breaking in all the time. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not easy, especially if you have children, you have a baby with you. | ||
| Sure, sure, trust me. | ||
| I have a friend who came over here illegally, and she came over here with her baby, man. | ||
| She had a fucking two-year-old baby, and she made it to the United States. | ||
| How'd she do it? | ||
| They got in a van or some crazy shit, you know? | ||
| I mean, it was all decades ago, but it's not. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like back in the day, I think it was a lot easier. | ||
| It's all terrifying shit, man. | ||
| If you really stop and think about the idea of going in a van illegally across a border that's got a fence and you have a baby with you and you're just hoping for a better life. | ||
| But you know, I've been to, so my uncle lives in Guatemala, of all places, believe it or not, white guy living in Guatemala. | ||
| But is he just banging young Guatemalan chicks? | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| We don't talk about technology. | ||
| Talk about it, man. | ||
| I would want to know. | ||
| I know he likes to drink down there because it's real cheap. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Go down there with a fucking fat bottle at tequila and ask him some questions. | ||
| I mean, you could get beer there, like 16 cents. | ||
| Like, I mean, it's just, it's out of control. | ||
| But I've been to the Guatemala-Mexico border, and it's like, you know, there's like machine gun turrets. | ||
| And like, so like, you know, they're always criticizing our border buildup. | ||
| And yet if you go to their border with their southern neighbor, because they don't want the Guatemalans breaking into their country. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| So it's like, you know, they're all criticizing the U.S. for being racist and everything. | ||
| And yet they're, you know. | ||
| Well, that's one of the things about if you talk to Latinos, like they'll always joke around about the racism inside Latino culture. | ||
| Yeah, white dudes like don't have any idea about this. | ||
| Mexicans have always had a problem with Puerto Ricans. | ||
| And the way that's been established is in boxing. | ||
| In the boxing world, the Mexicans have always said Puerto Ricans are lazy and like there's Mexican fighters versus Puerto Rican fighters. | ||
| There's been a long-term rivalry. | ||
| And then there's the Cubans and the Cubans have a problem with the Puerto Ricans. | ||
| And then there's the Guatemalans and everybody mining. | ||
| There's Hondurans who get no respect and it goes like lower and lower. | ||
| The further south you go, the more they fuck with them. | ||
| No, totally right. | ||
| I mean, and you look at like here with the Salvadorans and the Salvadoran gangs versus the Mexican ones. | ||
| And it's like, you know, to the social justice warriors, they're all Hispanic or Latino. | ||
| But then you actually like, these are like legit countries that have legit histories. | ||
| And, you know, the real problem with even the term social justice warrior is that they're aggressive. | ||
| Like the thing about social justice is like, what do you really want? | ||
| You want peace. | ||
| Guess what the worst way to get peace is? | ||
| Being an asshole. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Being an asshole will almost... | ||
| In a lot of ways, because they're about doxing people and aggressively pursuing actions against them, trying to get people fired because they don't share their ideology. | ||
| The weirdest thing. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| Like the weirdest thing to me, and I think people have started becoming more, like I've certainly become more aggressive just dealing with their shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I've become less aggressive, believe it or not, about them. | ||
| Like I don't want to fight with that kind of shit at all because I think it just creates a dust cloud of confusion. | ||
| It's counterproductive. | ||
| It's totally counterproductive. | ||
| And I share their beliefs on a lot of things. | ||
| I just don't, I don't share their methodology. | ||
| I don't share the aggressive tactics. | ||
| And I just think that what they're doing is insanely short-sighted. | ||
| They think that they're Malcolm X or something. | ||
| They think that they're trying to fight the system by screaming and yelling, fuck capitalism. | ||
| It's kind of like the people who were born after the 60s. | ||
| They were born After the party. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And you could tell they're kind of pissed about it. | ||
| My friend Andy Sarabian and I were talking about this. | ||
| And we were talking a lot about how basically they target you. | ||
| So there are two gay guys who had Ted Cruz over just to chat with him. | ||
| Because he's running for president, whatever. | ||
| And these guys were targeted by all these gay social justice warrior types being like you're mainstreaming his anti-gay views. | ||
| And how are we supposed to persuade people of our views if we can't even talk to them? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, how is that supposed to work? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm on a bunch of block lists. | ||
| I'm on block lists. | ||
| Social justice warrior block lists. | ||
| I don't know what I've done. | ||
| But they're all trying to figure out what I did. | ||
| They're all watching your stuff, though. | ||
| This is the weirdest thing. | ||
| Like, they block you and then they all like freak out if you say something like incendiary. | ||
| But I don't say much incendiary stuff. | ||
| I'm primarily supportive of almost all the things that they're supportive of, which I think is funny. | ||
| But I mock male feminists the same way I mock like males, like social justice workers. | ||
| I know what you're doing. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| It's a play for pussy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a power grab for social brownie points. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's primary. | ||
| I went to this one guy's Twitter page and it said the quote was something like aggressively feminist or fiercely feminist. | ||
| Like, goddamn it, son, you need to lift weights. | ||
| You need to fucking eat some meat. | ||
| You need to do some squats. | ||
| You need to go run a marathon. | ||
| You need to do something difficult. | ||
| It's depressing how beta so many of them are. | ||
| Yeah, they need to man up. | ||
| And you don't have to, you know, by the way, you don't have to be alpha. | ||
| You want to be beta? | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| I have friends that are beta. | ||
| Brian Redband's pretty goddamn beta. | ||
| You know, he's one of my best friends. | ||
| I have a lot of friends that are like feminine or like less aggressive. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| Just go do shit. | ||
| Just go do shit. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| What I'm saying is like this attitude and this aggression that they have towards things masculine. | ||
| They're sexist. | ||
| Well, like for me, the line was crossed. | ||
| Like, all right, so I knew the Rolling Stone thing was a hoax. | ||
| Like, I was like the first person. | ||
| Let's explain to people who might not be aware of what this was. | ||
| So you were one of the first people that did this. | ||
| I was calling bullshit like and then one of the things that I did was I called up some people at the fraternity. | ||
| This seemed like an obvious thing to do. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, was there a party? | ||
| Let's explain this to you. | ||
| So there's a story that runs in Rolling Stone magazine. | ||
| And what happens is that it's basically this story. | ||
| It's written by this woman, Sabrina Rubin Erdley. | ||
| And the story is about a gang rape, like a brutal gang rape that occurs at UVA, University of Virginia. | ||
| And basically, the story has an anecdote in there about this girl, Jackie, who was apparently raped by it was either like five guys or seven guys. | ||
| And this anecdote was like such a big deal among like the rape activist types that it was actually used by this chick, Emily Renda, who's a UVA, former UVA student. | ||
| And it was like used before, it was testified before Congress. | ||
| So it was like, you know, under oath, like brought into the congressional record. | ||
| And I was just, you know, the, the, the gang rape was so ridiculous to me because it was apparently like over hours. | ||
| And I was like, what college dude has like the stamina to go for hours? | ||
| So that was like the first, no, I mean, like, legit though. | ||
| Like that was like the first tip off to me. | ||
| And then the other thing too is it was like so graphic, so violent. | ||
| It was like apparently at a party. | ||
| So I was like, all right, there's a lot of stuff here that you can just kind of like tease apart. | ||
| And then what happened was I figured out the girl's name. | ||
| Like I went through and researched, like, you know, talked to some people at UVA, got like a list of all the kind of campus feminists and kind of just cross-referenced it. | ||
| Spent a long time kind of finding it. | ||
| Anyways, I found her name, you know, his name's Jackie Coakley. | ||
| And I was like, I published the name of her. | ||
| And I knew that all these like people would freak out on Twitter about it and like freak out in the media. | ||
| But something like 150 to 200 newspapers said that I outed a rape victim. | ||
| And like my own mother called me up like complaining about it. | ||
| And I was like, mom, like, trust me, like, this is not what it appears to be. | ||
| And by the way, this newspaper still haven't like done retractions or anything. | ||
| And these are like U.S. News and World Report. | ||
| I mean, all these things. | ||
| And they all got me thrown off Twitter for like outing this rape victim. | ||
| And she wasn't a victim. | ||
| You know, it was like the weirdest posts. | ||
| But you didn't totally know, though. | ||
| No, I did. | ||
| I did. | ||
| How did you know that she wasn't a victim? | ||
| Because I called up enough people and I knew enough of the details that the whole story was like just falling apart. | ||
| Like there was no party that night. | ||
| There was, I mean, she had a history of making up other stuff in the past. | ||
| Like I talked to somebody who was kind of close with her. | ||
| I looked into like the three people who are quoted in the article who are kind of like anonymously quoted. | ||
| And then I started looking into more and more on Sabrina Rubin Eardley, discovering that she'd gotten in trouble for like faking stuff in the past. | ||
| And I was like, all right, this is not legit. | ||
| Like this is fake. | ||
| What kind of stuff had she faked? | ||
| She, I mean, I put up some videos on my site at Got News, but basically her very first story she ever did for Rolling Stone was an interview of some, or a profile of a country singer where she got a lot of facts just basically wrong. | ||
| And then she started fabricating. | ||
| And she's actually talked about it on video about how she's gotten these things wrong. | ||
| And so she like. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She fabricated shit and she still got published in Rolling Stone after this was been correct. | ||
| And this was like when she was a college student. | ||
| So her entire career basically starts as winning the College Journalism Award from Rolling Stone while she was at UPenn working with Glass, Stephen Glass, the guy who was famous fabricator, The New Republic. | ||
| And she basically, her college, her career, her entire life is at Rolling Stone. | ||
| And she was talking about things like how she likes to shop around for victims. | ||
| I mean, these are like verbatim quotes, how she has a good BS detector. | ||
| I mean, go and watch the videos. | ||
| I mean, I put them all online on YouTube. | ||
| And they're kind of wild. | ||
| It's such a fucking explosive subject. | ||
| It's so dangerous because real gang rapes, real rapes, excuse me, are horrific. | ||
| They're terrifying. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| It's a dehumanization to be eradicated from society. | ||
| Many of the women who help me on this stuff are victims of sexual assault because they're so disgusted with this bullshit. | ||
| I mean, imagine actually being a rape victim, right? | ||
| And then having to deal with all these bullshit posers pretending to be rape victims. | ||
| And imagine how infuriating that is. | ||
| It's infuriating just hearing about this. | ||
| That Rolling Stone failed every single checkpoint of journalism. | ||
| They did no background check on this whatsoever. | ||
| They did no vetting of the source. | ||
| Everything they did violates journalism. | ||
| Did you see the movie Almost Famous and how they had the famous Rolling Stone fact checkers? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I kept wondering, when are they gonna show up? | ||
| You know, like, when are they gonna like... | ||
| I mean, I know Michael Hastings was a great reporter and everything, but people call bullshit on some of his stuff too. | ||
| And obviously, we can't check now because he's dead, right? | ||
| But like, it makes you wonder about all the other reports that they do there. | ||
| Because if they're, if they're so falling down on this one story, and apparently, like, you know, she's gotten other stuff wrong on other, you know, other stories as well, not just the one I mentioned. | ||
| But, like, I wonder what, you know, if their standards are so lax for her, what the standards are like for the other writers, too. | ||
| Well, it's always a problem when, because of a salacious story, because of anything that's big and juicy, you can become a star. | ||
| Glenn Greenwald is a star, and he's a star for a legit reason. | ||
| I mean, what he did was a legit story. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| Totally agree. | ||
| But he's a star now. | ||
| And so there's a lot of people that may be less scrupulous that are looking at that and they're saying, if I can get some of that juice, if I can find a juicy story that I can cling to, I can also become a star. | ||
| You know what's weird to me? | ||
| So I like taboos. | ||
| Like for me, the whole point of being a journalism, you know, being in journalism is to basically tell stories that no one else will tell. | ||
| Because first of all, it gives you a monopoly, right? | ||
| If no one's talking about a topic, then you own that topic. | ||
| And then second of all, there are a lot of taboos in our society, like race, rape, military-industrial complex, drugs. | ||
| I mean, you could basically figure them a genetic differences in intelligence. | ||
| I mean, that's a big one that we're not supposed to talk about. | ||
| And for me, what's weird about this is that journalism increasingly is used to justify the state, justify power, justify like, you know, basically to push agendas that then become law. | ||
| And for me, that's kind of like not the point. | ||
| The point is to give the finger to the man. | ||
| The point is to basically be against the system. | ||
| So I'm identified as being on the right, and I have some right-wing views. | ||
| I have some left-wing views, but no one seems to ask me about those. | ||
| But I'll do stories going after corrupt Republicans. | ||
| Like I did a story, voter fraud within a Republican primary in Mississippi that was like ugly. | ||
| But the thing is, is that people want, what they want is they want you to reflect their tribal views and their political views. | ||
| And they don't really want the truth. | ||
| So like they will fucking hate you, even especially when you're right. | ||
| So like for years I was talking about this guy, Menendez, U.S. Senator, who's going down for corruption. | ||
| For years I was talking about him. | ||
| And I had all the other journalists make fun of me. | ||
| Like, you're just a blogger. | ||
| You don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Even though I won awards that these guys competed for back in the day, I just didn't want to be in corporate journalism anymore because I thought it was too restrictive. | ||
| And these guys are assholes. | ||
| Like you have so much of the culture right now. | ||
| They just go after anyone that's new and different. | ||
| And it's creating a narrower and narrower and narrower space for people to let their freak flags fly. | ||
| And I think this is really, really dangerous for our society. | ||
| And we used to be a society that was like, yo, this guy, you know, he's, you know, he's a crazy black supremacist, but, you know, he makes really good bagels. | ||
| And I kind of like going and hanging out with him. | ||
| You know, like, we used to be a society that was okay with a little freakiness among people. | ||
| And now it's like you all have to think a certain way. | ||
| You have to behave in a certain way. | ||
| And it's like, what could be like, what could be more like anti-liberal? | ||
| Like, what could be more like wrong than that? | ||
| That's a very good way of putting it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that that tribalism thing is a real issue. | ||
| You know, that you're with us or against us. | ||
| How about I'm just a fucking person? | ||
| I don't want to join your team. | ||
| I don't want to be on anybody's team. | ||
| How about, can we just be on team human race? | ||
| Can't we all have our own unique viewpoints? | ||
| Because we have unique lives. | ||
| We grew up in different environments. | ||
| We have different points of view, different genetics, different life experiences. | ||
| Dude, the thing that makes me the most excited is when I meet somebody who like thinks something totally outlandish that I don't know and I start reading it. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit, this guy's right. | ||
| Like that's cool. | ||
| Like it's exciting to change your mind like when you don't know something. | ||
| It's exciting. | ||
| And I always look for the people who are like courageous enough to be like the Galileos of our day. | ||
| Like, no, you're wrong about this. | ||
| And who are like, you know, sticking it out. | ||
| I think people have a real issue with admitting that they don't know something, and a real issue in admitting that they were incorrect in their assumptions. | ||
| And some people don't ever They don't ever admit it. | ||
| They don't ever say, I think I fucked up there. | ||
| They don't do that. | ||
| They just, because they feel like somehow or another that makes them less. | ||
| They make like someone's like, ah, you were wrong. | ||
| No, I think it makes. | ||
| You backtracked with your dick-tuck over there, Chuck. | ||
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| You dick-tucked on that subject. | ||
| No, and I've seen this, like, when I say stuff on Twitter, like, oh, I guess I was wrong on that. | ||
| Like, I guess I was mistaken or whatever. | ||
| I think it gives you credibility, but all these people are like, freak out and like, you were wrong about this. | ||
| Like, fuck you. | ||
| Like, and it's like, dude, like, you're on Twitter right now, like, you know, at your mom's house. | ||
| Like, you know, you're on Twitter right now, like, at work when you should be working, and you're, like, bitching at me. | ||
| It's like, what have you done today? | ||
| Like, what are, yeah, what are you doing? | ||
| Do you think ultimately, though, that that's a good thing, that this Twitter thing, I might be like too optimistic, but I've been accused of that. | ||
| But I think that this, the ability to complain about everything, the ability to interact with people instantaneously is ultimately a good thing because awesome. | ||
| Because people like anybody that start, like you, or not you, but like anybody today, like some kid today can just fucking fire up a blog, some 17-year-old girl, and just say, I am going to be a fucking journalist major. | ||
| And I'm going to be a journalist. | ||
| I'm going to make my own website that's dedicated to news that people don't want to talk about. | ||
| And I'm going to try to uncover things. | ||
| And you could do that. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking awesome. | ||
| It's like the coolest thing ever. | ||
| And I mean, like, I was at the Wall Street Journal editorial page. | ||
| I was in the news corp Fox News Evil Empire thing. | ||
| I worked for all these different publications because my basic attitude is like, I know shit. | ||
| Like, I started out my career and I was like, nobody knows anything about journalism. | ||
| I'm going to write for as many publications as I can. | ||
| I'm going to go out there and just have all sorts of crazy wild experiences. | ||
| And then it became clear to me that, holy shit, I could run my own website. | ||
| I could hire people. | ||
| I could pay people for information. | ||
| I could basically do what I want to do. | ||
| And I could have more impact than if I did the corporate route, where I basically have to pay your dues and get coffee and basically be like a cog in the machine. | ||
| And yeah, this is revolutionary. | ||
| The fact that I, with 140 characters, you can basically, I mean, I posted documents that showed that people are lying in real time while they're talking on Fox News. | ||
| I posted stuff like, I exposed this chick, Elizabeth O'Baghie, who was like the face of going to war in Syria. | ||
| She like wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed column saying that there are all these moderates there. | ||
| We should arm them in Syria. | ||
| I proved that she was being paid by the Syrian rebels and she faked her PhD. | ||
| And it became like a whole scandal. | ||
| It led to all this stuff. | ||
| And I did that with Twitter and fucking around on the internet. | ||
| And that is so cool and so revolutionary. | ||
| The scary thing to me though, right, is like the combination of using Twitter and using the mob to flash mob stuff like in Baltimore. | ||
| That to me is like, the real question is like, is the crowd like on, you know, is the crowd going to do good things? | ||
| Like, are we going to use crowds to like, you know, solve major social problems? | ||
| Are we going to use them like for, as terrorist operations that basically spill out into the real world? | ||
| And I think it's probably both. | ||
| There's definitely both. | ||
| But I think that ultimately information and the access to information is what kind of sets everything free. | ||
| Because you get an accurate, clear understanding of what's going on. | ||
| There's going to be some deception. | ||
| There's going to be some confusion initially. | ||
| But I think we're in this trend as a society, as a race, the human race. | ||
| We're in this trend of expressing ourselves in a much easier way, in a much more instantaneous way than anybody has ever had the ability to do ever, by far. | ||
| It's one thing we can pretty much say for a fact. | ||
| As long as we've known about people and the things that people have written down, no one's been able to communicate the way they're able to today. | ||
| And if you look at the slow progression of culture from the dark ages to today, well, what has accentuated that progression? | ||
| What has it been about? | ||
| It's been about information. | ||
| It's been about education and understanding. | ||
| Freeing information, freeing information, expressing yourself and people debating these ideas of expression with now with facts also. | ||
| Like someone can say, you could say something on a podcast and someone say, well, you know what? | ||
| Actually, that's not true. | ||
| Here's a link. | ||
| And you go to that link and you go, whoa, oh shit, I didn't know that. | ||
| That's happened on this podcast a hundred times. | ||
| No, dude, I love that. | ||
| Like to me, like to me, the most exciting thing is when I get a reader who comes forward and like has information that nobody else has had, right? | ||
| Who's like a stockbroker. | ||
| Like I have a lot of like stay-at-home moms who work with me on stuff because like, you know, their kids are sleeping and they're like, fuck it. | ||
| Like let's cause a revolution on Twitter. | ||
| You know, like that is so exciting to me. | ||
| And like when I learn stuff that like totally upends how I thought about X or Y, it's like, it's cool. | ||
| You know, like the way I thought about this, there's this essay like I highly recommend called What You Can't Say. | ||
| It's by this guy Paul Graham. | ||
| And he talks about like, you know, how like if we think about like fashion, right? | ||
| Fashion comes in and out. | ||
| We have moral fashions too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what he says is like anytime something says, somebody says that's racist, that's sexist, something iss, right? | ||
| Capitalist, whatever, they're just reflecting the taboo of their time. | ||
| You know, that's McCarthyist or whatever. | ||
| And he's like, the most powerful argument against, you know, against something is that it's false. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| And if you can figure out like, you can basically check yourself, like, I believe X about something. | ||
| You can check yourself and you'd be like, is this true or not? | ||
| And if it's not true, then like, you got to have some soul searching. | ||
| You got to be honest enough to be like, hey, I might be wrong about this. | ||
| Or maybe there's just not enough information. | ||
| Maybe I'm just going to have to like, you know, keep studying on this. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I think a lot of people just want to, they want to join their gang on Twitter or in like real, the real world, like in Baltimore. | ||
| And they want to go and like, you know, basically be led by somebody. | ||
| And to me, that's like such an illiberal thing. | ||
| It's such a dangerous thing. | ||
| But I think it's ultimately such a human thing that it's kind of scary. | ||
| You know, it's kind of probably why it takes off. | ||
| Well, it's also exciting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, if you want to go to Ferguson, and that's one of the things, one of the things that I thought was hilarious was this black guy on Twitter wrote that the thing that scares me more than the cops in Ferguson is all these white dudes that don't live here, that come down here, that are yelling, fuck the police, and that are trying to get like, you know, what we're talking about. | ||
| It's like going to a rock concert. | ||
| It's like going to a rock concert. | ||
| There's a certain sense of like how fun it is to be a part of something crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we've all met those dudes too. | ||
| Those dudes that try so hard. | ||
| And you know that there's some insincerity that's attached to it. | ||
| And they know that if they go there and they put that backpack on, they put their fucking sock beanie on and they yell out all the right things and get the right fucking YouTube videos up, it'll make it look like they're socially progressive and they're a part of the solution. | ||
| No, true. | ||
| But we have that sort of on our side. | ||
| Like we've been, you know, you've probably been to sporting events or fights or whatever where you like, you feel yourself kind of overcome by, you know, like how violent it is or how exciting it is or whatever. | ||
| And like you, you know, it's part of the human nature to like want to belong to something. | ||
| And I don't blame them for that. | ||
| I just think they're like stupid. | ||
| It's just they need to be called out on it. | ||
| True. | ||
| And that's what's going on with this. | ||
| This age of communication that we're in right now. | ||
| You can expose the hypocrisies. | ||
| You can expose any... | ||
| People are wrong. | ||
| They make mistakes. | ||
| They're incorrect in their assumptions. | ||
| It's just a part of being a person. | ||
| To me, that's like the most fun, though. | ||
| It's like when you're like, when you think something so profound. | ||
| To me, to be a writer, to be a journalist, it's like an adventure. | ||
| It's like a quest. | ||
| I don't mean to be too nerdy on this, but you go on this adventure where you arrive at something approaching truth and you arrive at not knowing shit that you didn't know before. | ||
| And some of that stuff can topple governments. | ||
| It can cause elections to change. | ||
| I mean, it can be pretty revolutionary. | ||
| Now, let me bring you back to this UVA thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So you were the first guy calling bullshit on this or one of the first people. | ||
| I'm sure there was probably a lot of people. | ||
| I think there's probably like two others, yeah. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you know, you get kicked off Twitter. | ||
| People are super angry at you. | ||
| Your own mother is saying, what are you doing outing rape victims? | ||
| And did you question your conviction? | ||
| Did you question whether or not you were correct about this? | ||
| See the thing is that I know enough about how the media works that I know that like they need villains, right? | ||
| Like all the media basically, they're heroes and villains, just like total morality play. | ||
| Frat boys are the ultimate villains. | ||
| Yeah, so like frat boys, the military, I mean, depending on what kind of story you're writing, the military is either the hero or the villain, right? | ||
| Depending, right? | ||
| So I think human nature is like far more complicated. | ||
| I think we're both like hero and villain. | ||
| Like this is part of like what makes us, this is what makes us cool as a species, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| so like I knew, I knew that the whole thing was bullshit. | ||
| I offered like 300 bucks to somebody else because I wanted to go and hire other researchers. | ||
| And I look for people who like flout taboos. | ||
| Like to me, that one of the things that makes me interested in people is like when they're like, hey, everyone believes this, I believe this, and I'm right. | ||
| And they're so confident of it. | ||
| So anyways, so I knew that this was all bullshit. | ||
| And I knew it was bullshit because of some reporting I'd done, some other research I'd done. | ||
| It took me a while to like find the name. | ||
| It took me a while to find out more stuff. | ||
| But I just started poking around more. | ||
| And the thing is, if you've seen enough of these fake ray pokes or enough of these fake like, you know, race hate crimes or whatever, you develop this like weird, I don't know how to describe it. | ||
| It's like I used to play chess all the time. | ||
| And you see, in chess, you see all these games enough times that you're not even thinking. | ||
| You're just moving the pieces because you've seen this orientation before. | ||
| It's like the same thing with these fake crimes. | ||
| So like I had enough information. | ||
| I had enough, you know, stuff to go on. | ||
| My intuition was like, you know, my spidey sense was going crazy. | ||
| And it became clear to me that like they need a villain in this story. | ||
| So they're going to look for me. | ||
| But what it's going to do is it's going to amplify the reach of my website, you know, got news. | ||
| And it's going to make it so that they're going to make me the story, right? | ||
| They have to. | ||
| It's just the way the media works. | ||
| And so I realized it's like a great promotion tool. | ||
| Like if you have no, you know, things. | ||
| And then what it will also do is it will also bring people to me. | ||
| So like there's a case right now of this kid, Tyler Coast in Arizona, who's like wrongly accused of rape. | ||
| And it's like a whole scandal. | ||
| It's going to break up. | ||
| It's going to blow up like probably over the summer. | ||
| And what's going to happen is all of these weird people are going to come out of the woodwork and they're going to start helping me on other projects. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened. | ||
| Now. | ||
| How do you know that this kid is not guilty of rape? | ||
| Because there are all these text messages and messages showing that the girls conspired to set him up. | ||
| And it's like pretty sick stuff. | ||
| What was the one recently where a girl sent a guy a message asking him to fuck her in the ass? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is the mattress girl at Columbia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a great kid she is. | ||
| She sent text messages. | ||
| This guy saved asking him. | ||
| Facebook messages. | ||
| Facebook messages. | ||
| So I guess he can't fake them, but you could. | ||
| Someone else could have said them. | ||
| Someone else could have gotten on our computer and typed them, right? | ||
| No, but I mean, like, there were so many of these messages, like, in the deposition or the filing that they did to sue Columbia that it's like, it's kind of like outrageous. | ||
| You know, like, some of the stuff that was described, like the sex acts, like stuff that it's pretty nasty, disturbed stuff. | ||
| Like, I'm not, like, judging people's sex lives or whatever, but like, it's kind of not the kind of thing that you would expect from somebody who was like, yo, raped, you know, that wants to go and fuck her, rapist. | ||
| We'll hear this later. | ||
| The problem with the word rape, okay? | ||
| Rape itself, the idea, when you say the word rape, we think of it as holding someone down or forcing someone to have sex with you. | ||
| We think of it as a violent act. | ||
| But there's a lot of progressives, I don't want to call them progressives, let's just call them social justice warriors, that are making these really ridiculous connections between other acts and calling them rape. | ||
| One of them is having sex while drunk, where two people, consenting people who are both the same fucking age, have sex while they're drinking, and the man is a rapist. | ||
| Yeah, in California. | ||
| Occidental University. | ||
| I had Thaddeus Russell on the podcast. | ||
| I love that professor. | ||
| I love that guy, too. | ||
| And, you know, he was a part of this whole thing while it was going down. | ||
| He's like, this is insane. | ||
| Well, that ruined a kid's life, ruined the kid's academic career. | ||
| Kid gets kicked out of school. | ||
| Girl's still in school. | ||
| And they just had sex. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Dude, I was at college. | ||
| I was at Claremont McKenna out here in eastern LA County. | ||
| And I wrote something on my website. | ||
| And the school brought me up before as a sexual harasser. | ||
| Even though I didn't even name my ex-girlfriend by name, I just said my ex-girlfriend's a liar, like on my website, on my blog. | ||
| And they brought me up before the sexual harassment code at Claremont McKenna. | ||
| How is that sexual harassment if you accuse a person of being a liar? | ||
| I didn't even use her name. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so what they did is what I did was I just said, you know, I wrote like, my cheating, lying ex-girlfriend is as reliable a source as she's a girlfriend, which is to say not very. | ||
| And then they brought me up, you know, was brought into her office. | ||
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| And so what they did was they wanted to basically investigate my sex life. | ||
| And so what I did was I had every guy she cheated on me with, and I had them go and like testify on my behalf. | ||
| So like, wow. | ||
| It worked out. | ||
| And, you know, like my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, was like, this is crazy. | ||
| Like, this is therapy and stuff. | ||
| That's bananas, though. | ||
| But this is happening all the time. | ||
| Like, my case is like by no means, I mean, I wrote about it on my website and everything. | ||
| It's by no means unique. | ||
| Like, I can't even tell you how many, since I did the Jackie Coakley UVA thing, I've gotten like hundreds and hundreds of emails from people all around the country. | ||
| That have similar situations. | ||
| That have similar, like, crazy. | ||
| I could basically dedicate, I actually bought fake rape registry.com because I figure like it might come in handy later on. | ||
| The problem is this is a sexist thing. | ||
| That the men are always the perpetrators. | ||
| The men are always guilty. | ||
| The men are always the ones that need to be removed, locked up. | ||
| They're the rapists. | ||
| And when you start saying that, here was another one in New Jersey. | ||
| They're trying to pass a law saying that if a man and a woman have sex and it turns out that the man deceived the woman into having sex. | ||
| That's what they call it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they're trying to make that rape. | ||
| The woman's dating sex. | ||
| Well, how about men rape themselves then? | ||
| Because we lie to ourselves. | ||
| Men will lie themselves about wanting to be monogamous with a girl just so they can get her in bed. | ||
| We'll lie to ourselves. | ||
| What about, yeah, I'm going to settle down with her. | ||
| And then if you decide, you know what, man, fuck this. | ||
| She's too crazy. | ||
| It's too much work. | ||
| And then you're a rapist. | ||
| He lied. | ||
| He knew he didn't want to be monogamous. | ||
| What about fat chicks that look for guys who are drunk and passed out? | ||
| Are they rapists, right? | ||
| Like, I mean, what is that? | ||
| They certainly are. | ||
| They certainly are. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of, like, you can start playing this game. | ||
| Like, if you, like, in California right now, we have affirmative consent. | ||
| Like, that's the law, right? | ||
| So if my wife. | ||
| Yes means yes. | ||
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| If my wife and I get drunk, right, and then go in like, you know, like a bottle of wine or whatever, and I don't get, I've technically raped my wife. | ||
| Like, that's how, like, wild, the wild this society is. | ||
| You guys, even if you have sex with her and she's willing, she's not able to consent. | ||
| But you know the whole thing, the Michael Shermer case? | ||
| Do you know that whole case he was accused of rape because him and a girl had had sex when they were drunk and she did the language that she used, he got me drunk to a point where I couldn't consent. | ||
| And then, you know, there was a guy wrote a blog about it, this asshole social justice warrior guy that is a professor. | ||
| And they, you know, the guy's name got pushed out as a rapist. | ||
| I mean, they were essentially saying consenting adults having sex is rape because both of them had been drinking, but the man was the rapist because men are evil, because it's sexism. | ||
| It's pure clear to the pressure. | ||
| Well, that's why this guy, the guy who's suing in the mattress girl case, Paul Nunsberg or whatever. | ||
| And by the way, this guy's like, he's like a social justice warrior himself. | ||
| Like, his mother is like, you know, some leading feminist. | ||
| And he's the one getting sued. | ||
| And so he's like, you read the messages and he's like the most passive aggressive. | ||
| I mean, he's like the liberal, you know, I don't mean passive guy. | ||
| Passive aggressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, you know, he's like, oh, I'm so sorry that I don't like you kind of stuff. | ||
| And she's trying to torture him using the system. | ||
| And so what he did was he sued Columbia and was like, look, you know, Title IX, you know, you can't discriminate against men. | ||
| You're creating an unsafe environment for me here. | ||
| You're saying you're allowing my rapist, you know, this woman who accuses me of being a rapist to wander around, you know, defaming me, even though you found me guilty in your bullshit kangaroo. | ||
| I mean, you found me not guilty in your bullshit kangaroo court. | ||
| So they found him like not guilty of rape, like under their administrative policies, which by the way, those things are like, they almost always convict you, right? | ||
| So he's found like not guilty and he sues them. | ||
| And I hope he wins. | ||
| Like he's going after Bollinger, the guy who's the president there. | ||
| He's going after the and this chick, you know, she's running around with her mattress saying that her rapist was on campus and he's dangerous. | ||
| And this guy's like the mattress to her back, right? | ||
| Yeah, she was like tearing it and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, she was trying to like, it was her like a performance art piece. | ||
| Dude, what a crazy bitch. | ||
| I really do think, I really do think, though, by the way, like, I think like legitimately, I think like Ruch and some of those like men's rights people, like I'm not a men's rights, you know, guy. | ||
| Like I, you know, I'm a people's rights guy, you know? | ||
| But like, I think they're right. | ||
| Like, if you don't go to the police and you go to like college administrator, like yeah, that chick. | ||
| Student accused of rape by mattress girl suing Columbia University reveals her damning text, and that's her. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We're in this like weird state. | ||
| It's kind of cute, though. | ||
| Like, go back to that picture again, Jimmy. | ||
| She's wearing sexy shorts. | ||
| She's showing her legs. | ||
| She's got heels on. | ||
| Are those heels? | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| I think they're like clogs or something. | ||
| But she's got all leg. | ||
| You know, if a guy was walking around like that with those cut-off shorts, he'd be like, that guy's... | ||
| Her jeans are cut so low that her pockets are hanging out underneath the jean, which is always adorable. | ||
| And yeah, she's hot. | ||
| It's kind of awkward, isn't it? | ||
| I hope we didn't mentally run. | ||
| Those aren't heels at all. | ||
| They're like Birkenstocks, which is even more appropriate. | ||
| It's kind of weird, though. | ||
| Can you imagine being a student and being accused of this, though? | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| It's pretty scary stuff. | ||
| Well, it's terrifying. | ||
| We live in a terrifying age. | ||
| And look, kids, when they go away to college, they get drunk and they fuck and they make mistakes and they have sex with people they don't want to have sex with. | ||
| That's like the point. | ||
| But here's the number one thing that's fucked up about this idea of people drinking alcohol, having sex, and have that being rape or people being deceptive and calling that rape. | ||
| You're just talking about sex. | ||
| You're talking about consensual sex and you filtered consensual sex into these parameters and now you're calling it rape. | ||
| And people fuck up. | ||
| People lie. | ||
| And that's how you find out who to hang out with and who to not hang out with. | ||
| But the worst case scenario that's happening to these people is they had sex with someone they regret. | ||
| That's part of being a person. | ||
| You find me someone who never had sex with someone they regret. | ||
| And I'll find you a person that's never taken a fucking chance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Never had any fun. | ||
| We have ex-girlfriends and ex-wives for a reason, you know, people out there in the world, right? | ||
| Like, this is like part of life. | ||
| Ex-boyfriends or ex-whatevers. | ||
| Yeah, people fuck up, man. | ||
| And you make dumb decisions and you're like, oh, my bad. | ||
| Have you ever talked to a girl ever that said, every guy that I used to date was amazing. | ||
| They're the best person ever. | ||
| I'm so happy I fucked them. | ||
| Every guy I've ever blown was the best dude of all time. | ||
| No, that's not how it goes. | ||
| Nearly every conversation with a friend who just broke up with his girlfriend is, man, that bitch is crazy. | ||
| And how about this? | ||
| Every girl that ever broke up with me was right. | ||
| She was right at the time because I'm a different person than I was when I was 20 years old or 18 years old or 30 years old. | ||
| You fucking grow. | ||
| You evolve. | ||
| You adapt. | ||
| Things change. | ||
| So this idea that that's rape, that if someone's deceptive or if someone – Two consenting adults. | ||
| And then there was a whole feminist blog that I wrote about that. | ||
| That if two people are having sex while they're drinking, even if a man is drunk and the woman's sober, the woman raped the man. | ||
| Which is just adorable. | ||
| It's adorable. | ||
| It's adorable. | ||
| First of all, it's not possible. | ||
| Because there's not a fucking guy on earth that's going to say that if a woman had sex with him because he was drunk that he got raped. | ||
| It's like all those high school kids, where the kid is like 16, 17, and he's screwing the 24-year-old teacher or something. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, is that really rape? | ||
| Like, I mean, I know we're supposed to say it is, but, like, is it really that? | ||
| His dick get hard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's all right. | ||
| Emotionally, yeah, he got raped. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| He'll get over it. | ||
| Zach Alifanakis has a great joke about that, about a young man who died because he had sex with his teacher and his friends high-fived him to death. | ||
| I remember there was a case recently of that guy who he got two teachers or whatever, and they found him bragging about it. | ||
| That's how they like caught the two teachers because he was just bragging. | ||
| It would be kind of hard not to. | ||
| Like, imagine your 17-year-old self and you got two teachers at a party. | ||
| Like, it would be hard not to brag about that. | ||
| Find me a 15-year-old kid who got blown by his teacher who's good at keeping a fucking secret. | ||
| You're dealing with crazy people. | ||
| You're dealing with a woman who's so crazy. | ||
| She's blowing high school kids. | ||
| She's having sex parties and drinking with high school kids and having sex with them. | ||
| And by the way, the ones that get caught, how many of them don't get caught? | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| How many hundreds of them are out there running around blowing high school kids right now? | ||
| And how many people are really smart and just shut the fuck up about it when they're young? | ||
| How many of the boys, yeah. | ||
| How many of the boys? | ||
| We had this case. | ||
| It's a goddamn secret. | ||
| I went to this prep school in Massachusetts Milton Academy. | ||
| You probably remember from Milton Mass. | ||
| Yeah, Milton Mass. | ||
| So I was a scholarship winner there. | ||
| And we had this like crazy case where we had this chick who like willingly, 15 years old, gave head to this guy on his 18th birthday and five other guys. | ||
| I think it was like, oh, or four other guys. | ||
| And the school just expelled all of them because of the Romeo and Juliet laws. | ||
| Like if you're 15, if you're under 16, it's like rape automatically. | ||
| And so they just expelled all five of these guys. | ||
| Like no trial, no anything. | ||
| Just expelled them. | ||
| That was an issue when I was in high school, man. | ||
| When I was 18 years old, when I turned 18, my girlfriend at the time was 17. | ||
| And her mother was worried that what we were doing was illegal. | ||
| And she brought it up to me that my mom thinks that you could go to jail for having sex. | ||
| I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Like, we've been having sex for like seven months or something like that. | ||
| Like almost a year. | ||
| It was okay then. | ||
| And it's not okay today because I turned 18. | ||
| Like, I was nervous. | ||
| I was like, I had a, I don't remember who I had a conversation with. | ||
| Maybe my parents. | ||
| But I was like, could I go to jail? | ||
| Like, is this like a bad thing? | ||
| Isn't that like an inherently terrifying thought? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, right. | ||
| So, like, there, all right. | ||
| We know this like genetically, right? | ||
| Like, something like one in 10 people are genetic cuckolds, right? | ||
| Meaning, like, your dad is not who your mom says it is, right? | ||
| Because, like. | ||
| Is that a cuckold? | ||
| I thought a cuckold is like, you want to watch dudes bang your wife. | ||
| I don't know what that. | ||
| I don't think that's kind of. | ||
| No, that's a cuckold, right? | ||
| No, a cuckold is somebody who doesn't want that to happen, who's a dude who has his wife go, you know, shagging on their man. | ||
| That's a different situation. | ||
| Maybe, maybe, like, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, but I know the cuckold that I'm talking about might be another second definition that you're talking about. | ||
| I don't think I've ever said, by the way, I don't think I've ever said that word. | ||
| I've only read that. | ||
| It's like a Shakespearean thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've only read cuckold. | ||
| I don't think I've ever said it until this podcast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But so anyway, so like one in 10 people, their moms or their dads are not who their mom says it is, right? | ||
| Because from humans, we know that like women prefer the alpha male sperm, but the beta male to raise the kids because the alpha male will run away, right? | ||
| So a lot of women we've seen like in fake rape cases, they'll go and they'll have an affair and they'll say, oh, that guy raped me, right? | ||
| And we've seen this like happen time and time again. | ||
| And that kind of stuff, like people lie about stuff. | ||
| The thing that pisses me off the most about the feminists or like the social justice warriors is to say, what woman would lie about rape? | ||
| Like as if it's like some unnatural thing. | ||
| Like people lie about all kinds of shit all the time for like no apparent reasons. | ||
| You can't say things like that. | ||
| What woman? | ||
| A crazy person. | ||
| What woman would lie about Bigfoot? | ||
| What woman would lie about UFOs? | ||
| What woman would lie about anything? | ||
| Sometimes the crazy, sometimes it's a tactical advantage, right? | ||
| Like there was a case we did at University of Hawaii. | ||
| There was this chick, McKenna Facto is her name. | ||
| And she liked, there were two guys, like one who lived in one room, one who lived in the other, you know, like dorm situation. | ||
| And she liked the, you know, the hot, you know, football player guy. | ||
| And he didn't like her anymore. | ||
| He was like banging some other chick, right? | ||
| And the guy next door was like, you know, she fucked him to get him jealous and then said that this guy next door, like the nerdy guy next door, raped her. | ||
| And he was found innocent. | ||
| He was like clear, but he was like expelled from school at the University of Hawaii. | ||
| He had to like spend all this money to defend himself and he was found like not guilty. | ||
| You like, you know, one and everything. | ||
| But imagine like how, I mean, that's like a perfectly human thing. | ||
| Like who, who, I mean, who hasn't seen situations where somebody will sleep with somebody else to get them jealous, right? | ||
| Like this is like how humans behave. | ||
| Like this is what people love to do things to get reactions. | ||
| Pro or con. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Pro or con. | ||
| They love to do wonderful things like bring you flowers to get a reaction or they like to accuse you of things you didn't actually do in order to get a negative reaction. | ||
| Or fuck your friends. | ||
| I mean how many girls have done that? | ||
| Fuck their boyfriend's friends when they break up. | ||
| I mean that's a super common thing. | ||
| I've had fucking girlfriends of ex-boy, you know, guys who are still good friends, like girlfriends when they break up come after me. | ||
| I'm like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And I immediately will call them and tell them, dude, your ex-girlfriend tries to fuck. | ||
| She's trying to fuck all your friends. | ||
| Like I had a situation where I had a friend who, like, I dated the girl beforehand. | ||
| And I was like, oh, you know, my friend is actually better for you than I am. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, so I was just like, all right, these people should date. | ||
| Well, that's very healthy of you. | ||
| That's very smart. | ||
| But I think people, I think that happens a lot more. | ||
| Like, sometimes you realize, like, this is not right for me, right? | ||
| It certainly should. | ||
| I mean, it'd be cool if that's how it worked. | ||
| But, you know, the only way that does work is if the person is mentally healthy and not lonely. | ||
| True. | ||
| You know, the problem is people get lonely and they get sad and they get super depressed that that person doesn't want to be with them anymore. | ||
| And sometimes that sense of loss, and it's ingrained in our DNA because it's how people stay together, which is how people procreate, which is how the human race expands. | ||
| Because if it didn't, if you didn't have that sense of loss when someone no longer wants to be with you anymore, then you would have no incentive to improve your personality. | ||
| You'd have no incentive to get your shit together. | ||
| Yeah, no incentive to be a good mate, no incentive to nest. | ||
| The whole reason why people have that feeling when someone wants to leave, that feeling of rejection is terrible because your body and your DNA is telling you, hey, fuckface, you got to learn how to be a more attractive person. | ||
| You have to learn how to be more accepted. | ||
| You have to learn how to figure out a way to be more valuable to mates. | ||
| And that is one of the problems with social justice warriors. | ||
| That same instinct to be more valuable and better is what's leading these people to loudly proclaim that they're fiercely feminist, that they'll go after men exclusively, not be objective about the situation, not saying, hey, maybe these two people got drunk and maybe this girl had sex with a guy and kind of regrets it, and then the guy didn't regret it. | ||
| And now, let's just accuse this guy of rape. | ||
| Because that's what they're doing. | ||
| And stepping forward and proclaiming that this guy's a rapist and writing blog entries about it. | ||
| All you're doing is trying to set yourself aside as being the moral high ground. | ||
| But you know, there's a biological reason for this. | ||
| So like there's this great documentary series from Norway. | ||
| I know it's like kind of random, but there's this documentary. | ||
| It's called like Hivernask. | ||
| It translates to brainwash. | ||
| It's all free online. | ||
| I highly recommend it. | ||
| How do you spell it? | ||
| How do you spell it? | ||
| It's like H-J-E-R-N-A. | ||
| Just Google Brainwash Norwegian documentary. | ||
| You'll find it. | ||
| And what he does is he interviews all these people who are scientists and specialists on all these taboo subjects. | ||
| It's really like, it's like kind of up your alley. | ||
| I mean, I think you dig it. | ||
| But basically, there's a section in it where he talks about how men and women behave after they have casual sex. | ||
| Both groups, both parties want it, right? | ||
| Because of how we're wired genetically. | ||
| But women tend to regret it far more often than men do. | ||
| Well, the social consequences for women. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not just like the sociological pressures, but I'm talking about like biological things because women, when you have sex with them, they get oxytocin. | ||
| They get all the kinds of basically chemicals in their brains that make them attach to you. | ||
| They have to come to get the oxytocin. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The good oxytocin. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| But yeah, this show, I highly recommend it. | ||
| Brainwashed it just as well. | ||
| There's like 10 parts of it. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
| So anyways, what's interesting about it is this whole brainwash kind of culture. | ||
| Yeah, this kind of like brainwashed culture. | ||
| There's like a biological reason. | ||
| And if you're a woman and you have sex with a guy and you regret it, and then the campus feminists come in there, the social justice warriors come in there and say, your regret is actually rape. | ||
| It's a very biological thing that produces this. | ||
| And then on the other side of it, too, you've got this other biological problem, which is that in all animal species, right, like rape, I mean, animals don't rape each other. | ||
| I mean, they do. | ||
| That's basically like the whole point of the animal kingdom, right? | ||
| So like you've got cases where males among primates will go and they'll just, they'll rape some desirable female because they're like the lonely animal in the tribe. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So it's like, it's like in our society, if we had some loser dude as a last-ditch mating strategy, they'd go and rape. | ||
| And I think that's like, that explains an awful lot of like the actual violent predatory rape that we see, not the kind of acquaintance rape. | ||
| Yeah, I'm writing this down. | ||
| Gender equality, parent circumvention. | ||
| You'd love it. | ||
| They're all 10 of the parts. | ||
| I think they're like 30 minutes apiece or something. | ||
| They're somewhat in English, somewhat in Norwegian. | ||
| He interviews all these people, but they're subtitles. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| The idea that someone could go to jail for something like this or get their life ruined for something like this is just so creepy to me. | ||
| It's so creepy that sexual attraction and then regret could lead to someone being accused of a crime, especially a heinous crime like rape. | ||
| Especially about how much money you have to spend. | ||
| So like Ellen Dershowitz, who I actually worked for back in the day, was accused of rape by this like crazy chick, Virginia Roberts. | ||
| And he's been found like totally innocent and everything. | ||
| But he's a lawyer, you know, like one of the best lawyers in the country. | ||
| He spent all this like attention and money basically defending himself. | ||
| And that's like a terrible situation because even though he's found innocent, even when people are found innocent, people still kind of wonder, right? | ||
| Because you can never know what happens with two people. | ||
| You can never kind of get that back. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, that's what makes it so hellish. | ||
| Well, once you're accused of something is as disgusting as rape. | ||
| I mean, it's very difficult to shake that moniker. | ||
| I got to tell you, there's a case right now in LA that's kind of like getting some attention. | ||
| I wrote about it a lot, but there's this actress, Polly Perette, you know, like the NCIS chick. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen that show, but basically NCIS, she's like accusing her husband. | ||
| It's like this long-drawn out custody or long-drawn out like divorce thing. | ||
| And she's been using the state and her restraining orders to go and hire people to follow her husband around and basically show up so that he gets thrown in jail. | ||
| Yeah, it's like this whole thing. | ||
| If you Google Coyote Shivers and Polly Perette, you'll see. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Let me explain. | ||
| Let me clarify this. | ||
| So they had a divorce. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So like it was like 10 years ago. | ||
| He married this like hotter chick. | ||
| I think she's like a Brazilian journalist or something. | ||
| And he's like moved on with his life. | ||
| He's this musician type. | ||
| He lives here in LA. | ||
| And what happened was she created this whole elaborate story as a tactical maneuver in the divorce, right? | ||
| That he like beat her and like created this whole like elaborate thing. | ||
| She hired this PI who's like famous for basically lying and getting the evidence to help his clients, right? | ||
| Nothing wrong with that in a legal sense, but in a moral sense, it's kind of messed up. | ||
| And his name's Coyote Shivers. | ||
| I've interviewed him a bunch. | ||
| I've posted some stuff. | ||
| And he had 911 calls that basically proved his innocence. | ||
| And yet what she did was she hired all these people to go and say, to follow him around. | ||
| And whenever he goes anywhere, she'll then show up because he'll be within, you know, within the vicinity or whatever. | ||
| And he'll then have, you know, face a chance of violating their restraining order. | ||
| So she got a bullshit restraining order. | ||
| She hired people to basically track this guy around in LA. | ||
| And she's a star. | ||
| Like she's on the top show on television. | ||
| I've written about this at Got News. | ||
| Other people have written about this too. | ||
| But it's like one of the greatest restraining order abuses against a guy out there. | ||
| And this guy's facing like 30. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's facing like a year in prison or a year in jail for violating a restraining order that was bullshitly obtained. | ||
| And you could interview this guy. | ||
| I vetted him. | ||
| I've had all these people look into him. | ||
| Everything he said to me is checked out. | ||
| Right, but how do you know you haven't interviewed her? | ||
| So I've got a lot of the documents that confirm what he's saying and no one's really dug into it. | ||
| So what she's done is she's used the threat assessment office of the LAPD, which is like basically a bunch of star fuckers. | ||
| Like they love celebrities. | ||
| And so they tried to make it like this guy who's also kind of like a minor celebrity. | ||
| They tried to use him and say like he's a stalker or whatever to advance their power and interests when it's really just a dispute that they had. | ||
| And they got into an argument like as couples do. | ||
| He divorced her and he then married somebody else. | ||
| She was all like upset about this and she hired people to basically torment this guy. | ||
| How do you know that he wasn't addicted or whatever? | ||
| There was no like record of that. | ||
| There's been no record of anything. | ||
| There was no recording. | ||
| There's no record as far as her going to the hospital or no record of like abuse, no record of like, you know, of him like hurting her in court. | ||
| Actually, they suggested that he sat on her, you know, but that then the court, then the lawyer kind of retracted that. | ||
| I mean, basically, there's no evidence, physical evidence whatsoever that he was like beating her. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
| See, the problem I have with that is there's a lot of women that don't want to admit that their man beats them. | ||
| They freak out about it, or there's a mutually abusive relationship and the man takes it too far and they don't ever go to the hospital about it. | ||
| I don't think that's the case here. | ||
| I mean, you would have to drill down on the particulars because I've written about this a bunch already. | ||
| It's been a few years ago. | ||
| Don't you feel like you have to communicate with her? | ||
| I have. | ||
| I've reached out to her. | ||
| I mean, all of the documentation that's in the case supports this guy's side of it. | ||
| And she has said things that contradict the documentation that's out there. | ||
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Like what? | |
| Like, she said that she feared for her life and she called the 911 call. | ||
| And I posted the audio of that, and it showed like she wasn't freaking out or anything. | ||
| She was very calm. | ||
| She was trying to get her husband around. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of physical evidence in the case. | ||
| I mean, not to tell you what to do with your podcast, but he's somebody you should have on because he's kind of an interesting guy. | ||
| He's been, you know, he was like a total liberal kind of guy, and he's been dealing with the trauma of this. | ||
| And there's, I mean, if you go to Got News, I've kind of written it out in kind of more detail, but there's a lot of evidence to kind of point me. | ||
| I tend to be very suspicious of men who are like accused of, you know, accused of beating in general because like, yeah, like because it's common. | ||
| Like people do it. | ||
| You know, like a friend of mine actually, not a friend of mine, but you know, like a Twitter friend of mine, Todd Kincannon, who's a famous kind of Republican guy, was wailing on his wife for a long time and was apparently arrested for it. | ||
| So I don't discount that, that that happens. | ||
| But the evidence that's gone on here, the number of people, different civil rights groups have gotten involved, the number of researchers have gotten involved. | ||
| There are a lot of people who are like, this guy could go to jail for a year on trumped up charges. | ||
| And it's kind of wild. | ||
| But again, you never really know. | ||
| Like this gets to what we were saying earlier, right? | ||
| You never really know what goes on with two people, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| When you go to the girl with the mattress on her back, it's obvious that it does happen. | ||
| So obviously there's some people that are fucking crazy. | ||
| There's also some people that want to do that Glenn Close thing. | ||
| I'm not going to be ignored. | ||
| I will not be ignored. | ||
| Like they don't, someone doesn't want you to just move on with your life. | ||
| Men and women. | ||
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There's men that stalk women after they just go crazy. | |
| There's certain people that that feeling that they get that we discussed before when someone rejects you, that horrible feeling of loss and just like, God, which is nature trying to get you to do some deep fucking soul searching and figure out how to be a better mate. | ||
| It's also a drug thing too, right? | ||
| When you're getting, when you're fucking on the regular, you know, you get certain brain chemicals released, you know, you feel good about yourself, right? | ||
| Like, I mean, that's what the whole, like, when you first fall in love, you're getting all that octocin into your brain, which is like a narcotic. | ||
| Like it's a, you know, it's an actual like, and then when you stop getting that, you go through withdrawals, right? | ||
| And that's what you, that's why you feel like physically, like your body hurts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like that's what that is. | ||
| And you got to go and build yourself up to be a better mate. | ||
| But a lot of people, unfortunately, don't. | ||
| And then the sad thing is then they start using the legal system or their power or their money or whatever to then fuck with the other person. | ||
| Yeah, it's dark. | ||
| It's dark what people are capable of doing and deception and the fact that they can plot and conspire to have someone locked up for something just to sort of have an impact on their life. | ||
| And I don't think it's like a, I don't think it's always an everywhere a malicious thing because I think sometimes you go, you just go crazy. | ||
| Like, I mean, we've all had bad breakups where we're like, we don't recognize ourselves. | ||
| Like the actions that we're doing like don't seem rational, right? | ||
| Well, also there's some people that have some sort of crazy aspects of their personality. | ||
| They're attractive because they're wild and impulsive and you love it when you first start dating them. | ||
| You know, like if you're dating a girl and she pulls her pants down in the parking lot and like, come on, let's do it. | ||
| And you're like, wow, this is crazy. | ||
| People are going to see this. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Well, that's the same crazy bitch that's going to walk around campus with a mattress on her back. | ||
| You know, like that kind of. | ||
| Yeah, and you don't really think about it. | ||
| You know, yeah, you're exactly right. | ||
| Like sometimes the things that draw you to them are the things that ultimately repel you from them, right? | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| My friend Tony Zara always says that, that psychotic and erotic are basically the same thing, expressing themselves in just different ways. | ||
| Like the girls who are the most erotic and crazy in bed are all, they're fucking bananas. | ||
| Like he only dates crazy girls because they're fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I got to tell you, like, so I'm coming up on my two-year anniversary of being married. | ||
| I got to tell you, like, the faster I got rid of the crazy in my life, the happier I was. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Well, especially when you recognize the consequences of that crazy. | ||
| It's so financially, like, debilitating when you're dating crazy people. | ||
| It can be. | ||
| It can just drive you. | ||
| It can be pretty bad. | ||
| Well, you just got to be aware of the consequences, not just jump to the deep end of the pool. | ||
| You got to start. | ||
| Tread slowly. | ||
| But it is like dancing on dynamite, though. | ||
| Like, it really is. | ||
| And a lot of guys think, like, no, no, no, I can control this shit. | ||
| And like, no, no, no. | ||
| Like, there's a legal system that's going to get you. | ||
| Certainly if someone's inclined to sue. | ||
| And my God, I mean, anybody that finds out about Mattress Girl and then still decides to date her after that, well, what a glutton for punishment you must be. | ||
| I would be fascinated to interview that guy. | ||
| Wouldn't you be like, what would you, I mean, what would you do? | ||
| How about the girl the UVA girl? | ||
| Let's go back to the Rolling Stone thing. | ||
| Because we never really completely completed it. | ||
| Completely completed it. | ||
| You were the guy who were one of the people that called bullshit on this. | ||
| And when it all fell apart, which took a long time. | ||
| Yeah, it was a delayed reaction. | ||
| Well, like three or four months, but yeah. | ||
| It took a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this whole thing was a huge story, and, you know, yes, all women, all that shit went down. | ||
| That bothered me a lot, too. | ||
| That was yes, all women. | ||
| You know what bothered me about that? | ||
| That guy killed more men than he did women. | ||
| And everybody was like, yes, all women. | ||
| Like, you're dealing with a psycho. | ||
| Whatever happened to just, like, plain crazy? | ||
| Like, people that are just nuts. | ||
| Like, it's not even a political thing. | ||
| Like, whatever happened to just, like, this guy is nuts. | ||
| Yeah, but this, the whole, the focus became, instead of his mental health issues, this is a guy in Santa Barbara. | ||
| The focus became that this whole thing was about men's rights activists and pickup artists who have fucked with this guy's head and gotten him to objectify women and that women have to deal with this guy kind of person on a regular basis. | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| Well, completely ignoring the fact that this guy murdered four men and two women. | ||
| He stabbed more people than he used guns, too. | ||
| People were trying to ban guns dealing that. | ||
| But the whole thing was just so completely fucked up. | ||
| Like, how can you, and I saw there's so many social justice workers, including one guy that I respect, wrote this article, his hashtag yes all women article. | ||
| I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, dude. | ||
| You're dealing with a person with obvious mental illness problems. | ||
| And the fact that you're writing yes all women when he murdered men as well is just crazy. | ||
| It's sexist. | ||
| It's fucking sexist. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And it's sad, too, because like there's so many people out there who have like legit mental health issues that like we shouldn't be putting them into a like into like a Political or social or religious lens. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We should just be like, we should just get these people help. | ||
| We should try and identify them, not give them guns, right? | ||
| Like, I think we, you know, those of us who are pro-guns, we should recognize that like there's some people who shouldn't have guns. | ||
| Not that we should be overly restrictive about gun laws, because I think a lot of people in Maryland right now kind of wish they could have concealed carry, you know, in Baltimore and whatnot. | ||
| But we should be like, we should stop trying to politicize everything and try to like help people. | ||
| And the thing is, when you start framing these things as political discussions rather than like, hey, like, this guy's crazy. | ||
| Like, we should help him. | ||
| And it's a power grab for social brownie points. | ||
| This guy that I know that I respect that wrote this article, he's a fucking dork. | ||
| He's a dork. | ||
| And I've seen, I've, you know, I mean, I say that with all love, but he's just a super nerdy guy who's very weak. | ||
| And this is a lot of fun. | ||
| This is a signaling thing. | ||
| This is a signaling thing. | ||
| He's throwing his peacock feathers out. | ||
| Yeah, it's all, I mean, this is, we're monkeys, right? | ||
| Like, or we're like, you know, we're primates or whatever we want to say, you know, the PC version of it. | ||
| All monkeys signal. | ||
| Like, all of them socially, they, you know, that's what the gorilla does this for. | ||
| Like, this is what this is. | ||
| And what they're doing is they're using the taboos of the society to show to women that they're virtuous and that therefore they're deserving of female attention. | ||
| And, you know, they don't know that they're doing that. | ||
| I'm sure they see like a political lens to it, but that's what they're doing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, this is also, by the way, while heinous, horrific acts are going on all throughout the world that these people are conveniently ignoring. | ||
| Like you're not focusing on the Congo. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A real rape culture. | ||
| They're not focusing on Afghanistan. | ||
| They're not writing articles on some of the most heinous activities of the human race. | ||
| They're writing articles about this one thing that's in the news, and then they're using it to focus on one very specific aspect of that thing. | ||
| Not the mental illness aspect. | ||
| Because it's easy to gender aspect. | ||
| Because it's easy, man. | ||
| I mean, I watched all these videos. | ||
| I read every article Sabrina Rubin early wrote. | ||
| I watched all the videos that I could find of her. | ||
| It was hard to do this shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's easy just to be like, yes, all women, and it's hard to go to see the rape rooms in these shitty countries, right? | ||
| It's hard to get access to it. | ||
| And then the people who do get access to it doesn't trend on Twitter and nobody really sees it, which is the sad side of our media landscape. | ||
| What is the consequences for the woman who's a false rape accuser? | ||
| Well, there's no victim because there's no real guy she pointed to, right? | ||
| Well, there's a fraternity, right? | ||
| The fraternity was vandalized. | ||
| I think something like $100,000 worth of damage was done. | ||
| People saw that as an excuse. | ||
| This is the thing that scares me, right? | ||
| This is like, I don't like the Hitler reducto-added Hitlerium thing, but like, you know, like the Kristallnach thing when people were like targeting Jews, right? | ||
| Like there's a certain aspect of this where like it becomes okay to hate certain people. | ||
| And because it's okay to hate them, it's okay to harm them. | ||
| And we are seeing this with like, you know, attacks on the police in Baltimore right now. | ||
| We're seeing this with attacks on fraternities. | ||
| I mean, if you, the social justice warriors are honest about this. | ||
| They say like, we want to destroy fraternities in this country as like bastions of male power, right? | ||
| Like that's what they're trying to do. | ||
| That's why you saw, you remember that like video a while back at Oklahoma where the, you know, the frat boys were saying some racist shit, like, which was like, you know, we've all been in environments where people have said shit that like probably shouldn't be broadcast to the entire world, right? | ||
| Like we've all been, we've all been like, I'm not saying, you know, the Donald Sterling thing is a good example of this, like a private conversation. | ||
| I mean, if you can't have a private conversation with your mistress, who can you have a private conversation with? | ||
| Well, no, the Donald Sterling thing, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I mean, I had a bit about it in my act because it was so ridiculous. | ||
| He's asking her to not take pictures of black guys in the same sentence. | ||
| He said, I don't care if you fuck them. | ||
| No, the joke I had in my act was, could you imagine if it was the opposite way? | ||
| If he said, I don't mind if you take pictures of the black guys, but I don't want you to fuck them. | ||
| People would be like, that's pretty reasonable. | ||
| I think it's kind of somehow another it's racist because he doesn't want her taking pictures with them. | ||
| The whole thing is nuts. | ||
| The whole thing was nuts. | ||
| They took that guy's fucking team away. | ||
| I think he did it deliberately. | ||
| I have this whole theory about how it's like, how it was like an elaborate play to sell the team. | ||
| I mean, he increased the value. | ||
| Really? | ||
| If you look at when he bought it. | ||
| He's not that bright. | ||
| Have you ever heard of it? | ||
| He's a fucking billionaire. | ||
| He's a financial genius, but not socially. | ||
| I'm sure he's going to communicate. | ||
| I mean, I think he got back with the chick, too. | ||
| I could be wrong on that, but I think he got back with her. | ||
| He should. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because she's getting sued by his fucking wife. | ||
| She's losing everything. | ||
| That bitch is going to be broke as a joke. | ||
| His wife is going after money that she donated to charity, like when she bought things with a credit card and you give away $5 for breast cancer. | ||
| She wants that money, too. | ||
| Dude, divorce is ugly. | ||
| Well, the wife is just going after this cunt. | ||
| I mean, like, this chick, like, the wife is going after her because she can and because she can break her. | ||
| She can show her, yeah, you might be able to fuck my husband because you're young and pretty, but guess what I can do? | ||
| I have a billion dollars and I'm going to sue you into the ground. | ||
| And if I lose, I'm going to sue you for something else. | ||
| And I'm going to keep going until you got no fucking money. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of wild, isn't it? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But this is our legal system right now. | ||
| But I mean, in some ways, the legal system is super important to have. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| If somebody victimizes you, you have recourse. | ||
| You could get that money, but you can get it back. | ||
| Oh, she didn't get victimized. | ||
| She had a husband that was fucking the hot young girl and buying her condos and buying her Mercedes or whatever the fuck he bought or of Jaguars or Bentleys or whatever the fuck it was. | ||
| The whole thing is kind of hilarious when it's all played out in front of you. | ||
| Yeah, you would think it would be like a, yeah, you would think it was like a Tom Wolf novel or like you would think it's like some kind of fun play or something. | ||
| But I mean like with the Jackie Coakley situation at the University of Virginia, right? | ||
| I thought it was kind of racist that we all like know Tawana Brawley's name, but not Jackie Coakley. | ||
| Like people didn't want to name her. | ||
| Well Tawana Brawley though came out publicly. | ||
| Sure, but this is a big difference. | ||
| But she did too. | ||
| She participated in a story, right? | ||
| Like a lot of the times that, you know, if it was so important to keep her honest. | ||
| She was a little bit reluctant. | ||
| I mean, she wasn't. | ||
| So we're told now, right? | ||
| But like, I mean, I'm sure there's some power that comes with being, I mean, it was brought up before Congress. | ||
| Like they tried to pass like laws based upon this girl, based upon Emily Renda, who was her friend, who apparently has this whole other problem with her own rape story where she was allegedly raped. | ||
| But there are like conflicting accounts on that. | ||
| But like the thing that bothers me about this is not is not the girls, because I think there is something like mentally ill with Jackie. | ||
| Like Jackie's clearly bipolar. | ||
| Like a lot of the people I've talked to who know her says that she's just not well. | ||
| The thing that bothers me is there's this desire by a lot of like journalists now to go and shop, as Sabrina Rubin Erdley put it, to shop around looking for victims, right? | ||
| Rather than to like tell the complexity of like, you know, an actual fight that goes on. | ||
| I mean, what they do is they reduce people to like characters in their agit prop play, right? | ||
| Rather than like get into like the motivations and the psychology. | ||
| And they don't really like, they don't really do the actual work. | ||
| They basically use the gang rapes or the more tawdry sensationalist things to basically push people, emotionally manipulate them to like advance an interest or an agenda. | ||
| And what's happening right now on college campuses is they're eliminating due process rights for men. | ||
| And like, I was a nerd in college. | ||
| Like I'm a nerd now, right? | ||
| Like nobody was asking me to join the fraternity. | ||
| Like I live with football players and I like, you know, I saw the progression, you know, the procession of hot women that came in and tried to fuck them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like I, you know, I saw all this. | ||
| But the, and I'm not like trying to like defend some of the borish behavior that like football players and frat guys have. | ||
| Like we all know there's some stuff that goes on there that's probably like probably not the coolest stuff in the world, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But we also know that some women are attracted to borish men. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because those are the men that just go to war and those are the men that defend them and those are the violent, aggressive men are attractive to their genes. | ||
| Look, you can have a society, you can on the one hand have a society that like tries to turn us all into basically feminized men and then hope that things will work out. | ||
| You need burly, disturbed men to go and break stuff. | ||
| This is like what you need in a society. | ||
| And if you're just constantly putting upon them and constantly, it's not going to work out well. | ||
| This movie does not go well. | ||
| This UVA thing. | ||
| So Rolling Stone publishes this story with very little vetting of the facts and just violated all the laws of journalism, which is so disturbing because Rolling Stone is this iconic magazine that, in my mind, is ultimately connected with Hunter S. Thompson and Matt Taip. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But they pissed me off when they put the cover of the fucking terrorist on the cover. | ||
| Like my sister was there 20 minutes beforehand, and when they did that, I was like, fuck them. | ||
| I'm done with this place. | ||
| Well, they didn't just put him on the cover. | ||
| If they put him on the cover, handcuffed, being covered in blood, like they found him under that boat tarp. | ||
| That would be one thing. | ||
| They put a glamour shot of him. | ||
| He's a cute kid. | ||
| Yeah, and you had some fellowship. | ||
| This is what we're getting at, though. | ||
| Women like borish men, right? | ||
| So they were going, all these chicks, like the free joke R. Sarana of Brigade on Twitter were like, oh, he's so hot. | ||
| Like there are all these people on, all these chicks, like high school chicks on Twitter, who are like, oh, he's so hot. | ||
| He's so dreamy. | ||
| He's all this. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was like depraved stuff. | ||
| I mean, it just goes to show you that women have, you know, some women have no taste. | ||
| Also, they're just fucking around, you know? | ||
| So I don't know that some of them were fucking around, though. | ||
| Like, there was some stuff that was done, you know, like, this is what happens. | ||
| He's an attractive kind of guy. | ||
| But that pissed me off. | ||
| And then with the Rolling Stone stuff, what I discovered about a lot of journalism out there that you see all the time is that it goes through very little fact-checking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the Sabrina Rubin Erdley is like a prime example of this. | ||
| But we've got, there are many examples of this. | ||
| You can shoot down a lot of articles these days. | ||
| Yeah, well, you certainly can shoot down that one. | ||
| That article is a rough one. | ||
| And that article being in Rolling Stone was so disappointing to a lot of people that there's a lot of people canceled their Rolling Stone subscriptions, I'm sure, because of it. | ||
| It's one of those things where you're always going to have to wonder about any scathing report that they publish in that magazine now. | ||
| But you know, there's no story, right? | ||
| There's no story without Jackie Coakley talking to Sabrina Rubin-Eardley. | ||
| So why does she go and talk to her? | ||
| Because Emily Renda, who's like trying to push this campus rape agenda story, you know, this kind of rape culture fantasy, she was shopping around for victims. | ||
| And there's no story without Jackie Coakley. | ||
| And she lied. | ||
| I mean, she lied repeatedly. | ||
| She relied about the guy even existing. | ||
| She hadn't talked to the photo of the guy that she had seen in all these years. | ||
| Like, there's just, I mean, you have to vet your sources. | ||
| You have to vet people that you talk to. | ||
| And none of that was done because the story was too good. | ||
| It was too sexy. | ||
| Well, it's one of those things, this story, where you can't question a woman who says that she was involved in a rape because if you do, you become a rape apologist, you become a part of the problem, you become all, I mean, you attach a bunch of different negative monikers to it. | ||
| And that sort of, that hands-off, non-objective approach to one very specific thing. | ||
| If you talk about a man who's been beaten up, you know, and a man whose violence has been perpetrated on him, you can ask all sorts of questions. | ||
| But if it's a woman and it's sexual. | ||
| Why do you think, I mean, so I've been thinking about this. | ||
| I've been having this debate with a friend of mine, right, about the rape shield law, right? | ||
| Because, you know, like in a lot of newspapers, a lot of newspapers do this like, you know, by design. | ||
| They say like they don't mention the name of the woman, right? | ||
| Whenever there's a rape allegation. | ||
| They say, you know, this woman was raped. | ||
| She's 2019 or whatever. | ||
| They never tell you like her name. | ||
| And I always feel really uncomfortable with this because it provides a great shield to do damage to somebody, right? | ||
| Like if you, if you don't identify the name of a victim, a supposed victim, it's an alleged victim. | ||
| We haven't had a trial yet. | ||
| We haven't had conviction yet. | ||
| We haven't had anything, right? | ||
| And when people we know are doing power plays to kind of like screw people over, I mean, I posted an article of 13 women who lied about rape on my Twitter page. | ||
| And like, I think the rape shield idea existed like in a time before kind of the sexual revolution. | ||
| So it made a lot of sense then, like when a woman's virtuousness or, you know, not having sex was prized. | ||
| But like, we're in 2015. | ||
| Like most people are having sex before marriage, right? | ||
| Like a lot of people, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like it seems kind of weird that we still have this thing where we keep the name of the vict of the, it's an alleged victim, but they always pretend like it's a real victim. | ||
| And we don't know that yet. | ||
| Like there hasn't been. | ||
| And it seems like if we named if we named the women, you know, like, hey, so-and-so is accusing such and such of this crime, and we just name them like we do for attempted murder, like we do for all kinds of cases, I think we would get fewer of these fake rape incidents. | ||
| Do you also think, though, that we would get few real rape accusations of actual rape because women don't want to be shamed? | ||
| There's some women that the shame of coming out publicly about an actual real rape, it actually prevents them from going after a real rapist. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| So we're told, yeah. | ||
| But that's not so we're told. | ||
| I mean, this is people that have actually been raped where it's been proven they've been raped have said that they were reluctant to talk about it because of the shame that comes on them, the shame that gets put on them because of the situation where a woman gets raped. | ||
| It's very different than a woman getting beat up or a man getting beat up or any other situation. | ||
| When a person gets raped, it's a shameful, horrible feeling that this person has to deal with publicly. | ||
| They have to be publicly humiliated by the fact that this guy sexually used them, held them down. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's not just about a woman was assaulted. | ||
| If a woman's assaulted, that's one thing. | ||
| And it does have to do with our unusual connection with sexuality. | ||
| We have this thing about sexuality, this sort of demonization. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Women either are whores or nuns, right? | ||
| Or saints. | ||
| There's kind of like this kind of like in the post-sexual revolution era, we're not sure if women should be virtuous or if they should be the same as men. | ||
| We're not really sure what to make. | ||
| I mean, I've thought about this, though. | ||
| I would never shame a woman. | ||
| Like if somebody came to me and they were like, you know, I was raped or like, you know, my sister or friend or whatever, I wouldn't be like, you know, shaming them. | ||
| I don't know that, like, I don't know that the shame thing really is as true as it once was. | ||
| Maybe it's still there. | ||
| And maybe you're right about that. | ||
| But like, you wouldn't shame a girl, right? | ||
| Like who came to you and said that she was raped. | ||
| You'd be like, oh my God, like, I'm sorry. | ||
| Like, yeah, he's not a good person. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But what kind of man would do that? | ||
| I mean, not to say that that wouldn't happen. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of shitheads out there, though. | ||
| Whenever you go public, you expose yourself to all people. | ||
| And out of all people, there's going to be a certain percentage of them. | ||
| They're just dicks. | ||
| I love to use this term, the 1%. | ||
| The 1%, everyone always wants to use the 1% in terms of the judges and the bankers. | ||
| But 1% of people are just fucking cunts. | ||
| And 1% of men, 1% of women. | ||
| This is 1%. | ||
| There's only 1 out of 100. | ||
| And they're magnified on Twitter, aren't they? | ||
| Well, they're magnified when you get a public exposure to millions. | ||
| If you're dealing with 300 million people, the United States population, whatever the fuck it is, you're dealing with 3 million cunts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if there's one in a million, there are still 300 cunts. | ||
| Yeah, that's a lot. | ||
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| That's a lot. | ||
| I mean, one in a million is a ridiculously optimistic outlook. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| It's way more than that. | ||
| It's probably one in 100. | ||
| If you get together with 100 people, especially when you add anonymity, like the anonymity that the internet provides, where you don't have the social consequences of being questioned for your behavior or your tweets. | ||
| It's like being on the freeway and being a shitty driver, right? | ||
| Because nobody can identify. | ||
| It's the same kind of thing. | ||
| There's a lot of that, but at least they can see you. | ||
| They can look in your eyes and see your car, write your plate down. | ||
| You have just some jumbled series of numbers and letters. | ||
| It's your Twitter account. | ||
| You're an asshole on it. | ||
| And you can do it anonymously and you can get away with it. | ||
| So if you find out that someone has been accused of something or some woman is, you know, some crime like rape has been perpetrated against her, what's to stop some anonymous fuckhead from just harassing them and going after them? | ||
| And a lot of people have like made of, you know, they've made a strong habit of doing that to people. | ||
| Yeah, well, let's take like, let's take a good example. | ||
| Like, so I was reading John Krakauer's book, Missoula, which is like about this campus rape phenomenon in Montana, University of Montana. | ||
| There's a phenomenon? | ||
| He says there's a phenomenon going on, but he's at the University of Montana. | ||
| He lives in Montana, so I assume he was just interviewing people. | ||
| But there are like five or six anecdotes of rapes. | ||
| And one of the cases is this guy who's a football player who in 2012 was found not guilty of rape. | ||
| He was like brought before the courts and everything. | ||
| He was exonerated. | ||
| And Krakauer wants this guy to be expelled, even though the court system found him innocent. | ||
| And he's created this anonymous identity for this chick. | ||
| He calls her Washburn. | ||
| I forget her first name in the book. | ||
| But there's this case, University of Montana, where the guy's found innocent. | ||
| And even after he's found innocent, he's still being tortured with being called a rapist. | ||
| He's still being tortured with being called. | ||
| And I think, I got to say, like, damaging accusations of rape. | ||
| You know, rape is like a serious, terrible crime. | ||
| It's like, as Dershowitz has put it, it's the most falsely reported crime, but it's also the most underreported crime that we sort of have in our society. | ||
| But on the other hand, like, it should be a big deal to accuse somebody publicly. | ||
| You should, I mean, under the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution, you have a right to confront your accusers. | ||
| How can you confront them if the trial is occurring in the media without your ability to even respond to the anonymous allegations? | ||
| So it's kind of like a trade-off thing, and it's really difficult to make the balance. | ||
| Anyone who says definitively, like, I have the answer for you on this stuff, it's just totally full of shit because it's really hard to know what to do. | ||
| You know, like, should we not write about the University of Montana case where this guy was found not guilty because he's now been found not guilty, even though he may have raped her, right? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| Just because the court system decides something, we know there are many cases where courts get things wrong. | ||
| Somebody on Twitter pointed out something really good that I need to address. | ||
| The white people that rioted in the hockey riots of Vancouver. | ||
| I was actually there for that. | ||
| I was there right before that went down. | ||
| I left just before the riots. | ||
| Well, I didn't see the riots, but I had been in the town. | ||
| I was like, they're so nice up here. | ||
| How the fuck are they rioting? | ||
| So somebody had a good point. | ||
| White people do riot. | ||
| But it's all over sporting events, and it's over relatively quickly. | ||
| Well, not only that, the people that riot were so fucking stupid. | ||
| They were doing it while everyone was taking pictures and posting it on social media, and a giant chunk of them went to jail. | ||
| Like a giant chunk of them got arrested. | ||
| What would it take for you to actually riot? | ||
| I've always, I've like always, I asked my wife this the other day. | ||
| I was like, what would you, like, why would we riot, honey? | ||
| You know, like, I can't imagine a scenario in which I'm like burning things down, destroying people's property. | ||
| Well, you're not poor. | ||
| True. | ||
| You're not poor and desperate, and you don't have to do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, definitely. | ||
| But I think that's a big part of it. | ||
| I mean, the rioting and the hockey riots, those are fucking retards. | ||
| I think it's a young man thing, too, though. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, there's not a whole lot of young women out there rioting. | ||
| We did a video, which is making the rounds, called Good Morning Baltimore, you know, like that old... | ||
| And it's like, it's really like, it's fucking, it's perverse, but kind of funny. | ||
| But I think, I don't know, man, like there's something, I think there's something tribal about us as people that like, you know, I've had this experience at like sporting events or like at political events where you feel something like overcome you. | ||
| And I'm like pretty rational, you know, nerdy guy, you know, high IQ on the bell curve kind of thing. | ||
| But like there's something if I'm drawn to it and we're all drawn to it, like then the people who are really like dumb and poor and don't have a lot of options and yet they all have smartphones, like it gets really scary. | ||
| It certainly does. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| Well, there's without a doubt, there's a certain aspect of human beings that allows us to go with the flow of big movements. | ||
| When there's big things that are happening, there's horrific things that happen in large groups, in mass groups, that just wouldn't happen when there's one person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird thing. | ||
| And I think the sporting events, like thing of the white people that riot, I think that that is like what I'm talking about. | ||
| Like you're part of this tribe and it just like boils over because when you have a whole lot of like, you know, shitheads together, like we were talking about earlier, like 1% of them are going to be assholes or whatever. | ||
| And I'm sure it starts really, you know, slowly, like one guy breaks something and then everyone else starts breaking shit, right? | ||
| Well, I think that's also speaks to what we're talking about, the incredible difficulty of escaping from a ghetto because we imitate our atmospheres. | ||
| And if we imitate our atmosphere, our atmosphere is boiling over into mad violence and rioting and looting. | ||
| There's a lot of people that just succumb to that influence and just give in and be overcome. | ||
| I don't think we're nearly as autonomous as we like to think we are. | ||
| I think we are a giant superorganism and we have our own individual identities inside that superorganism. | ||
| Neil Wilson says that. | ||
| He says we're like ants, like as a species. | ||
| A great biologist, evolutionary biologist, he says that we're basically a superorganism. | ||
| But it's not just us. | ||
| It's pretty much every organism. | ||
| How do you think those birds fly together in these giant flocks and go left and right and move around like they're all being controlled? | ||
| How does it happen with fish? | ||
| How does it happen with all sorts of animals that exist in packs? | ||
| Wolves, totally. | ||
| Yeah, we have, you know, we have groups, and these groups act as a unit. | ||
| And when the group riots, I think people become incredibly compelled to become a part of that. | ||
| And it takes amazing resolve and intelligence, if you're trapped in that, to avoid the influence of that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But like, so like take the case, like there was a famous sociological experiment where we took, we gave blacks in the ghetto, we gave them like Section 8 vouchers to like get the hell out of the ghetto, right? | ||
| And we started, there's like an Atlantic article on this like maybe four or five years ago. | ||
| But what happened was that we gave all these Section 8 vouchers to get out of the ghetto, right? | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| Like people got out of the ghetto and then they started committing crimes like in their new areas. | ||
| So like we gave everyone, you know, like whatever the rental equivalent is and then you could move into like a nicer area. | ||
| And they brought the crime with them. | ||
| So that just goes to show like how much it's like a part of you once you grow up in it or how much it's a part of like your brain, you know? | ||
| Like so this book I'm reading right now, this is like the best book I've read in like 10 years. | ||
| It's called Sapiens and it's about basically what makes humans like what made us different from all the other homos or I guess animal homos, you know, Homo erectus, homo Neanderthal or whatever. | ||
| And what he says is there's this thing that we have as humans where we take on fictions, like we believe certain isms, and that becomes like most primate species, it's like, you know, a few people are in your tribe and are in your group. | ||
| You know, like humans, I think it's like 150 maximum. | ||
| That's like the max size of a tribe. | ||
| But what happens is that we all start to like believe certain narratives about the world in our brains. | ||
| We get kind of like brainwashed or whatever. | ||
| And then we start to act on our commitment to that fiction that we've created. | ||
| And it's kind of wild when you think about it. | ||
| Like there's so many fictions in your society, so many things you unconsciously believe, so many isms, but also like things like joint stock companies or like legal documents. | ||
| I mean, all of law, if you think about it, it's just a fiction we all agree on. | ||
| Governments, it's the same kind of thing. | ||
| And this book has really kind of like challenged a lot of my thinking on this because like, you know, if you're in the, if you're creating this mindset that like people are so put upon, so put upon, so put upon, they'll start to act like they're so put upon, right? | ||
| Because it's like they're, they get infected, their brains get infected. | ||
| And it becomes really hard to persuade people, particularly it's like, it's pretty self-serving if you just say like, you're in the ghetto and you're fucked. | ||
| Because like, you know, there are many examples of people like surviving out of the ghetto, people moving out of the ghetto. | ||
| There are many, like human beings are much more malleable, I think, than of like, you know, escaping from terrible circumstances. | ||
| And yet what we do as a society is we say like, no, you're fucked. | ||
| Like you're done. | ||
| You know, you're never going to. | ||
| And like, we should be like thinking about ways so we could orient the society so there are more options. | ||
| But like, it's really. | ||
| I agree that people are more malleable, but I disagree that people are more malleable when it comes to the ability to escape a ghetto. | ||
| I think everything is stacked against you if you're in that environment. | ||
| Financially, it's stacked against you as far as the behavior that you imitate, your atmosphere that you're around, all those fears. | ||
| Yeah, the peer effects too, like your peer friends and stuff. | ||
| It's not like you live in Irvine and your family's of moderate income and you figure out a way to make it. | ||
| It's not that really weird to me. | ||
| I did a lot of reporting on the Ferguson stuff. | ||
| And the thing that was really weird to me are these affluent black kids who are coming and slumming in the ghettos of Ferguson. | ||
| And I'd never seen anything like this. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So there were a number of black radical activist types in Chicago and the suburbs there, who basically black guys whose parents are doctors, lawyers, whatever. | ||
| People who like, I mean, obviously not every black person is kind of like living in the ghetto. | ||
| I mean, there are lots of them who live wherever, right? | ||
| So what was interesting about this is there are all these cases of like, to be like authentically black, these kids who were like, you know, went to fancy schools, went to good schools or whatever, they felt they had to go and participate in like, you know, the anti-cop protests or the, you know what I mean? | ||
| But isn't that also possibly because they recognized that they were lucky and they want to help? | ||
| Maybe, yeah, you could be right. | ||
| Like, I hadn't thought of it that way. | ||
| I think you may be right. | ||
| But maybe, on the other hand, I mean, yeah, you probably are right about that to a certain extent. | ||
| I'm sure there's a motivation of that. | ||
| But I also think it's kind of weird, too, that your parents give you all these options, right, to escape the ghetto and you return to the ghetto as like a, you know, to like cause trouble. | ||
| But is it in their mind, they're not causing trouble. | ||
| In their mind, they're trying to enact some sort of change. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| To a certain extent, yeah. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Angry Baltimore mom beats some FCC police. | ||
| Her mom, who rescued, she saw her son on the TV and went after him. | ||
| She's beating the shit out of him. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I mean, I think it's good. | ||
| I think if people took more responsibility for their own, for their family members, you know? | ||
| Like, if you saw your friend on TV rioting, you'd be like, dude, like, don't riot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't like the beating thing, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not cool on that. | ||
| That's probably the only way to get this. | ||
| He's got a mask on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I mean, I don't agree with the beating either, but fuck. | |
| The whole thing is a wreck. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen? | ||
| In Baltimore? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, ultimately, I mean, I'm sure they have the National Guards down there now, and there's probably going to be violence will escalate, and then, like, Ferguson will eventually calm down. | ||
| Do you know what really pisses me off, though, on this whole thing? | ||
| Are all these people who are trying to spin it politically? | ||
| How so? | ||
| Like, all these people who are like, it's true, like, there hasn't been a Republican mayor of Baltimore since like the 60s or whatever. | ||
| But they're like, liberals did this, liberalism did this. | ||
| Like, there are lots of places that are run by liberals that are like perfectly fine places to live. | ||
| Yeah, go to Boulder, Colorado. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all liberals. | ||
| Nobody gives a shit. | ||
| Everybody's nice as shit. | ||
| Or Westside LA. | ||
| Or Seattle. | ||
| Or Boston. | ||
| Asheville, North Carolina. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's plenty of liberal places that are great. | ||
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| Yeah, it's not a liberal or Republican thing. | ||
| It's a poor people thing. | ||
| It's a lack of hope thing. | ||
| It's a crime thing. | ||
| We have poor people too. | ||
| It's a momentum of the environment thing. | ||
| We have a whole lot of poor ass Asian people. | ||
| Like, you know, in the San Gabriel Valley, we have a whole lot of poor ass Mexicans. | ||
| We have a poor lot of people. | ||
| Well, it's also the heart of what happened in the first place. | ||
| It's a fucking police brutality issue. | ||
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| I mean, we don't know what the fuck happened. | ||
| We don't have a video in this one. | ||
| But we do have a video of that guy running from the cop and getting shot from behind. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, we have that one from South Carolina. | ||
| Yeah, Walter Scott. | ||
| Yeah, we case, yeah. | ||
| You know, we have a series of, we have the 12-year-old kid that had the fucking toy gun where the cops pulled the car over and just shot him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We have a lot of people. | ||
| But put yourself in that case, right? | ||
| In that example of the Tamir Rice situation, right? | ||
| The kid with the fake gun. | ||
| The kid with the fake gun. | ||
| So that area is known for having people with those types of guns robbing people. | ||
| It's known as a really shitty part of town. | ||
| You're getting reports of somebody who's running around in a park with a gun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The cop was known for being an overbearing, overviolent cop who was released from another police force, and they didn't want to have to retrain him. | ||
| So he's hired another cop. | ||
| He was a bad cop. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| But in any population of anything, you're going to get shitty teachers, good teachers, bad cops, good cops. | ||
| You know, the system that you build should be built towards trying to assess the worst case scenarios. | ||
| And in some of these cases, like, you know, Darren Wilson is a good example. | ||
| By the way, people should go see that Ferguson, the play. | ||
| Like, it's getting all this attention. | ||
| Yeah, there's this guy, Philim McAlier. | ||
| He's like a friend of mine. | ||
| He's an Irish guy. | ||
| He's a journalist. | ||
| And he did verbatim theater of the Ferguson stuff where they just read the grand jury transcript and it's caused like all this controversy and craziness. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| It's here in LA, and it's like totally not even political. | ||
| They're just like reading this, but it's political because they're reading the script. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like one of those kind of situations. | ||
| And it's really fascinating. | ||
| Like, I'd read the grand jury transcripts and everything, but to see like actual actors and human beings like talk about what actually happened. | ||
| And then obviously the actors are making choices and whatnot, like how to stress certain words because we just have a transcript. | ||
| But it was like pretty riveting stuff, kind of crazy. | ||
| But if you look at the Darren Wilson thing is like a perfect example of this, like we don't really know what happened. | ||
| Well, we definitely know that that kid punched him. | ||
| The kid's dead. | ||
| The kid punched him and the kid was shot at close range while he was trying to get the guy's gun. | ||
| Yeah, we know. | ||
| We know the autopsy. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| But like, we don't know what was said. | ||
| We don't know what they had for breakfast that morning. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Like, we don't. | |
| We don't know. | ||
| And the thing is, like, we as humans, like Benghazi is another example of this. | ||
| Like, all these events happen, and people just go and like project their views, their experiences, their life, their whatever onto them. | ||
| And then they come kind of like Rorschach texts or like ink blots. | ||
| And we should be really like hesitant. | ||
| Like, it's true that blacks are disproportionately killed by cops. | ||
| It's also true that blacks disproportionately commit a lot of crime, right? | ||
| Like if you look at like the Asian stats, right? | ||
| Yeah, if you compare the Asian to the black stats in terms of crime, it's like night and day, right? | ||
| Right, but you're also dealing with people that, again, grew up and are a sub, they're a product of these environments. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And disproportionately black. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Disproportionately black in these crime-ridden, horrific environments. | ||
| I mean, like, if you have all these housing projects and the hellhole of like not having fathers around, I'm with you on all of this, right? | ||
| But I think we need to be like, I think these communities are so intractable and the solutions that we've offered for many, many years of like, they're not solving the problem. | ||
| And I don't know that we can ever really solve them. | ||
| And that's kind of, that's like, to me, that's the most terrifying thing about this is that it's just a permanent feature of my life. | ||
| I certainly don't think there's enough effort put to try to solve the problem. | ||
| And I think the clear root of that problem is that I described it yesterday in terms of if we are a superorganism, we look at our, and look at our country as a microcosm of the world superorganism. | ||
| What's the issue with this organism? | ||
| Well, the issue is the organism has some sick spots it's not dealing with. | ||
| The way I described it yesterday is if you have a staph infection and you're angry at the staph infection for not healing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's like, oh, fucking stupid staph infection. | ||
| Why don't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps? | ||
| But if you look at like, say like a staph infection, right? | ||
| Like if you're a super organism or whatever, we're all going to die, right? | ||
| Like at some point, like we're going to get, you know, we're going to get inoperable brain cancer, whatever. | ||
| Something's going to happen to us. | ||
| Like that's part of life. | ||
| Like I think we undersell how much of life is just plain shitty. | ||
| And like we're always like as like Americans, like we're always trying to like solve these problems, right? | ||
| But like sometimes things are just not solvable, right? | ||
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It's not far more optimistic. | |
| Well, you're talking about like if you have a broken arm, you think, well, fuck it, I'm going to die anyway. | ||
| Why go to the doctor? | ||
| No, but that's essentially what you're saying. | ||
| No, no, not exactly, though. | ||
| I'm saying, like, there are certain things. | ||
| Let's take a cancer, right? | ||
| Inoperable cancer, right? | ||
| And where staff work, you know, there are certain things. | ||
| But this isn't inoperable. | ||
| But there are certain things. | ||
| But ghettos aren't inoperable. | ||
| I mean, how would we solve it? | ||
| We've got my money. | ||
| Make an effort. | ||
| How about some effort? | ||
| There's almost nothing being done. | ||
| If you look at like Dorchester, where I used to live, right, and how shitty and run down it was, you know, they're putting in all these new schools. | ||
| They're putting in school choice things, charter schools, all that. | ||
| I'm all. | ||
| Some people get upset at that. | ||
| Gentrification, right? | ||
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| And then they get pissed off because their real estate prices go up, right? | ||
| So it's like, and then, you know, poor people have always gotten fucked throughout human history. | ||
| Like, it's just a shitty part of existence. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, like, and I don't know so many of the solutions we offered. | ||
| We built housing projects to help people with affordable housing, right? | ||
| Then they became like dens of crime, you know? | ||
| It's not enough. | ||
| Affordable housing just makes it cheaper for people to live in a fucked up place. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It doesn't change the fucked up place. | ||
| You have to figure out a way somehow or another. | ||
| And I'm not a social engineer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think there has to be some sort of a way to look at these communities and they're sick spots. | ||
| These are areas where there's a disease. | ||
| And that disease is crime and poverty. | ||
| And you have to figure out a way to make it better. | ||
| And one of the ways to make it better is you got to shine a light on it. | ||
| You got to pay attention to it. | ||
| And you got to put a lot of money into it. | ||
| You got to put a lot of money into it in terms of trying to build up that community, trying to help those people. | ||
| But if you look at like the LA public schools or you look at some of the public school systems out there, we pour shitloads of money into them. | ||
| Yeah, whether we get awful. | ||
| We get nothing for the money. | ||
| See, to me, what's scary about this, like I talked to my family in Baltimore, like if you know, what's scary to me about this is that like what happens is that they get political leadership. | ||
| And it's not a Democrat-Republican thing. | ||
| People are trying to put it in that lens. | ||
| It's they get political leadership. | ||
| I mean, the mayor before this last one like went to jail, was like indicted for corruption. | ||
| Like they get these really corrupt, thuggish, bad people. | ||
| And I'm not saying they're thuggish because they're black. | ||
| I'm saying they're thugs because they're thugs, right? | ||
| They prey on their own people and they pray in their own communities. | ||
| And it's really like sick. | ||
| And I don't know how you solve that if we're going to have like, if we're going to have a society where people can vote and elect people. | ||
| Like, I mean, so much of the political system is bullshit, even in like the wealthier parts of the country, right? | ||
| We still have to deal with assholes who like pretend to represent us, who are whatever party. | ||
| And yet like these people have no choice. | ||
| They're often like, you know, the people who get elected are like corrupt. | ||
| They're bad people. | ||
| And yet like they're supposed to, I mean, you can't get a good system out of a corrupt group of people. | ||
| It's just not going to happen, right? | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| And I think the, you're ultimately correct. | ||
| And I think that. | ||
| I mean, what do you do? | ||
| Do you send in like the National Guard and declare it like marshal? | ||
| No, no, because that's a military system. | ||
| There's got to be some way to enhance the communities. | ||
| There's got to be some way to enhance the education. | ||
| There's got to be some way. | ||
| I'm not the guy. | ||
| I don't have any time. | ||
| And I think this is something that needs to be looked at objectively over long term. | ||
| It's got to be a project where you somehow or another have to revitalize and re-energize these areas. | ||
| And then deal with the fact that the momentum of the past is so goddamn strong in these places. | ||
| And they've been fucked for decade after decade after decade. | ||
| You get generation after generation after generation of people born into this thing with very little recourse. | ||
| And I think Obama is right. | ||
| I mean, I don't agree with Obama on a lot of stuff, but I think Obama's right when he says that, you know, he quotes Faulkner saying that the past isn't past. | ||
| It's not, you know, the past is not finished. | ||
| It's not even past. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Like, I mean, there is something to be said for this being a legacy of slavery. | ||
| It's a legacy of like failed urban policies of the 60s. | ||
| It's a legacy of like we're always like kind of dependent on history. | ||
| Like history is still very much alive in some of these places, you know. | ||
| Well, it's so recent as we're talking about slavery being 1865. | ||
| That's just not that long. | ||
| 150 years. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| It's a blip. | ||
| The University of Virginia case. | ||
| Is there any repercussion against the girl who filed the false charges? | ||
| She's kind of dropped out of school. | ||
| I think she works as last I checked she works at a hair salon. | ||
| And it's just sad. | ||
| Like the whole thing is sad. | ||
| So a lot of people think I take like joy in having I take joy in like exposing the truth always, but I don't take joy in like, you know, these people's property was destroyed. | ||
| This girl's life is ruined. | ||
| I mean, to a certain extent, that's like the social cost. | ||
| Like I had to, I had a responsibility to like make it public who this person was, I think. | ||
| But it's sad. | ||
| Like the whole situation is kind of sad. | ||
| And I know there's like some people right now who want to do like a more comprehensive report. | ||
| And I'm probably going to help with that going into more stuff on Sabrina Rubin Eardley. | ||
| But there, I mean, there are fraternities, there are football teams. | ||
| There's all this stuff that's under attack all throughout the country right now by the social justice warriors. | ||
| And it's going to be quite frightening. | ||
| I think it's going to intensify before it gets. | ||
| And what we have right now is we have a war. | ||
| And I hate the word war because I hate even the warriors thing, the social justice thing. | ||
| I prefer social justice activists because they're active. | ||
| It's not a war. | ||
| We're not shooting each other. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| But I think there really is a political, electronic civil war going on right now between people who have narrative-based views of the universe and people who are fact-based. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| They're basically at loggerheads. | ||
| And I don't know how long this can endure. | ||
| You talk about slavery and civil war. | ||
| Lincoln said a house divided against itself can't stand. | ||
| I don't know how we have journalists on the one hand who present facts and figures and trying to understand the world, and then others who try and basically preach and sell a crazy narrative of the world. | ||
| I don't know how this coexists. | ||
| Well, I think it coexists in that this conflict and the debate and the discussion. | ||
| People like you or people like many of the people that are listening to this now or watching this or people that are discussing this right now on Twitter and arguing pro and con, these subjects get vetted out. | ||
| They get discussed. | ||
| They get debated. | ||
| They get bounced back and forth. | ||
| And some people will change their minds and some people will be reinforced by this conversation and some people will be angered by this conversation. | ||
| Some people are angered that I have you on. | ||
| Yeah, and I saw that. | ||
| What do you think's up with that? | ||
| The rape, outing people, saying their names. | ||
| I think that's a big part. | ||
| I think that's part of it. | ||
| But I also think I've said some stuff. | ||
| You know, I've said some stuff where I've changed my mind on it. | ||
| And I've also said stuff on Twitter. | ||
| You know, so I see Twitter as a way of sparking conversations. | ||
| Like A lot of the stuff that I put on Twitter, I don't necessarily always agree with, and I'm not trying to be a troll, like necessarily. | ||
| I'm trying to force conversations that I want to have that no one else is having. | ||
| Well, what was one you had, like name the names of celebrities that support the Baltimore riots? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, what I want to do with that is I want people to understand like, you know, there are people out there who, there should be a consequence for like supporting it. | ||
| How could anybody support any fucking riot? | ||
| There are people out there like Sally Cohn. | ||
| I mean, there are people out there who are saying them. | ||
| Sally Cohn, I think she's on MSNBC or she's on CNN or something. | ||
| She says the riots are good. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| There are people who are saying that the riots, the response to the riots are a political thing. | ||
| It's an uprising. | ||
| It's an insurrection. | ||
| Same people who defended the Ferguson stuff as an uprising against the police, against the system. | ||
| Don't you think, though, in some ways, what the benefit of it is, is that we're all forced to discuss this now. | ||
| We're all forced to look at this area of Baltimore, this horrible area. | ||
| And my friend John Rollo lives in Baltimore. | ||
| He says there's parts of Baltimore that are just goddamn crazy. | ||
| And we're seeing it right now. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people were exposed to it from the wire, and they weren't aware of it. | ||
| And the problem of the wire, as I tweeted the other day, is that there are far too many white people on it. | ||
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I mean, that's what that's what this is showing to us. | |
| I mean, yeah, there's some truth to that. | ||
| But, you know, and like if you're, my cousin likes to say if your city is known for the wire and homicide and all this other stuff, like, it's probably not good. | ||
| Well, it's definitely a fucked up part of the country. | ||
| And there's many areas that are like it. | ||
| Detroit is pretty goddamn fucked up too. | ||
| Parts of Philly, Chicago. | ||
| There's some powder kegs out there. | ||
| There's some places that could blow. | ||
| And there's some places now, because of YouTube and all of these videos that everyone has, rather, phones that can take videos, you can expose all sorts of shit that shouldn't be happening. | ||
| Police brutality, and then there's a reaction to it. | ||
| But do you know, like, so I've been thinking about this. | ||
| I totally agree with you about the nature of like everyone has these, right? | ||
| And how awesome that is, how powerful it is. | ||
| Andrew Breitbar, others have talked about how awesome this technology is. | ||
| But to a certain extent, when I turn on the camera, right, you're turning on the camera on me, you know, we've got this audio equipment, people change, right? | ||
| So like to a certain extent, when you're running around filming stuff, some people are performing for the cameras. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| Violence escalates because of that. | ||
| And I don't know what you do about that because you can't, on the one hand, censor it, because if you censor it, like that's evil and wicked, like we're against that. | ||
| We have a First Amendment for a reason. | ||
| But on the other hand, it's like the, what is it, that Pareto effect, or there's an effect where basically you watching something causes people to change their behavior. | ||
| Like if you watch your employees, they're going to change their behavior. | ||
| Well, it just is. | ||
| I don't think there's. | ||
| I mean, it just is. | ||
| It is a fact. | ||
| There's no solving it. | ||
| It doesn't seem, it seems to be a new reality. | ||
| Just like, how do you get away from the fact that everyone has a cell phone? | ||
| You don't. | ||
| Unless an asteroid hits and we have a massive cataclysmic disaster that shuts down the power grid and there's no more modern display or whatever. | ||
| Unless that happens. | ||
| Walking dead style. | ||
| Yeah, there's not really much you're going to be able to do. | ||
| This is our new reality. | ||
| Just like the people that lived before cars could never have imagined being able to drive across the country in four days. | ||
| Just like the people who existed before planes could never imagine doing it in six hours. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You're just not going to change that unless you change the entire civilization. | ||
| Something exogenous is going to have to happen for that. | ||
| Something new. | ||
| Yeah, totally agree. | ||
| So I don't think we should necessarily concentrate on that as much as we should concentrate on what are the lessons that we can learn from all this. | ||
| And what I think ultimately we have to concentrate on these areas, whether they're Ferguson, which is a very high crime area, has been for a long time, or whether it's Baltimore. | ||
| There's areas of the country that need help. | ||
| And the people that grow up in there grow up in these horrible, crime-ridden environments that really don't have any other recourse. | ||
| Or a lot of recourse, I should say. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what to do about it. | ||
| I mean, like, one of the things that I kind of feel bad about this, you know, like everyone's going after this woman, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, for saying, you know, we need a space to destroy. | ||
| I went after her. | ||
| I know a lot of people are going after her. | ||
| We need a space to destroy. | ||
| Yeah, did you see this? | ||
| So she did a video where she said, actually, the video that we did of Good Morning Baltimore, with the riots, we started with this opening thing where she said, you know, we need a safe space for people to destroy, for writers to destroy. | ||
| And people are going after her. | ||
| She says she misspoke. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'd give her the benefit of the doubt because she's been kind of like reluctant on bringing in the police to basically solve the riots. | ||
| But basically, I feel really bad for her because like, this is a really tough job to be mayor. | ||
| Like, you know, like, I get to be a journalist. | ||
| You know, we get to basically just like belovviate and bullshit about this, right? | ||
| Like, we're not the ones in these cities, like making these decisions. | ||
| Like, I always try and put myself in the position of people. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, I always try and put myself in their chair. | ||
| And like, it's a shitty situation. | ||
| And I don't see any situation short of like bringing in the military, which I, you know, I'm not a big fan of military industrial complex. | ||
| But like, that's what they're going to have to do. | ||
| They did the same thing with the LA riots here, right? | ||
| Like, you know, the Koreans were defending themselves and their property. | ||
| And they can't really do that in Maryland because they don't have concealed carry and they have a lot of gun restrictions. | ||
| And people who are in the kind of white areas there are kind of liberals, so they wouldn't have guns anyways. | ||
| But what I find really interesting about this is that how quick people are to judge our elected leaders. | ||
| And we should judge them, but like it's a hard life. | ||
| It's a shitty situation that these people are in. | ||
| And I guarantee you, like, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, you know, the mayor there, she never thought she'd have to deal with this shit. | ||
| You know, like, it's a tough thing. | ||
| It's a tough gig. | ||
| While we try to make sure that we were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished what is that? | ||
| The space to destroy? | ||
| Yeah, there's the space right there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The mayor's not saying that she asked people to give space to people who sought to create violence. | ||
| Any suggestion otherwise would be a misinterpretation of her statement. | ||
| Her statement sucks, which is not a good statement. | ||
| What she's saying within the statement. | ||
| I mean, the video itself, like people should watch it. | ||
| People should make up their own. | ||
| I think what happens a lot of these situations is that the activists, there's like a view among the sort of like municipality-run system. | ||
| There's a view that like, hey, we can't bring the cops in because if we bring the cops in, it'll just inflame people. | ||
| Because it's the same thing with the video camera. | ||
| If you put a cop in a ghetto environment, people hate the cops. | ||
| Like they're going to react, right? | ||
| Like, and so their view is like, we shouldn't bring in the police. | ||
| But then you don't bring in the police and then the riots get even more out of hand and it's like, it's like you can't win situation. | ||
| I'm of the opinion that when we look at these isolated instances, any of them, we look at it and we say, wow, this is horrible. | ||
| The world is fucked. | ||
| But I think that what's going on with all of these incidences is we're reacting to problems that we have in our society. | ||
| We're reacting to these areas that need attention. | ||
| And these explosive events that cause whether it's riots or protests or marches or all of these things are ultimately good because I think they cause people to focus on these areas that are convenient to ignore. | ||
| I mean, I agree with you that it does spotlight this stuff. | ||
| I'm just not... | ||
| I mean, like, if I go, like, I pray that you're correct, that we can solve a lot of this stuff. | ||
| But, like, we've been dealing, like, not every society gets a do-over, right? | ||
| Like, some societies are fucked from the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just a question of it playing out, right? | ||
| Like, you know, you can. | ||
| We're also the first society that's had this kind of access to information ever. | ||
| The history of the world. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you're, if, if you're, there are two ways to bet, right? | ||
| There's the pessimistic kind of like shit's going to go down, all that kind of thing, which, like, temperamentally, I'm probably more that way. | ||
| But you could be right. | ||
| Like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't dispute you. | ||
| Like, there's shit that we like, I mean, the fact that I have this, the fact that I have a career because this exists, right? | ||
| And the fact that I'm able to disrupt bad stuff on the internet and cause things to change, it's all awesome. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Like, I'm all for it. | ||
| But I think there's a, the same technology that allows us to spotlight government abuses can often, you know, in the wrong hands can be used to basically promote and do riots. | ||
| I mean, like. | ||
| Well, it's not going to be, I mean, it's not ultimately like the solution. | ||
| But I think that if you look at the course of human history, there's no denying that this is the safest time to live ever. | ||
| Yeah, it's awesome. | ||
| And it's also very difficult to deny that the United States is one of the most innovative governments, the most innovative countries ever. | ||
| It's only been around a couple hundred years. | ||
| And look at all the crazy shit that's happened here. | ||
| I mean, this is the forefront of the world when it comes to culture changes. | ||
| I mean, I feel like every day with all the new technology, everything. | ||
| I mean, I grew up with the Internet. | ||
| I remember waking up one day and fuck, there was Wikipedia. | ||
| Like, you know, like, I remember my first Google search. | ||
| Like, I grew up basically with the Internet. | ||
| My point was that Baltimore itself, as fucked as it is, as fucked as it's been, it's just these people that grow up generation after generation living in poverty. | ||
| It's only been around a couple hundred years. | ||
| This is a new situation, a completely new country, ultimately, when you look at the history of the world. | ||
| Yeah, and you look at shit like crack babies, which we thought was going to be a huge problem, turns out to not have been a big a problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of stuff. | ||
| There's a lot of room for optimism. | ||
| And even things like social justice warriors or people that are going after college campus scenarios where they believe that there's men that are committing rape. | ||
| Ultimately, what they're doing, even if I disagree with their methodology or disagree with their ideology that they're pushing forth in favor of objective truth, ultimately it's to try to stop crime, stop people being victimized. | ||
| It's a trend that's a good trend. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Even if it's done in the wrong way. | ||
| I mean, look, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions, right? | ||
| Look at you, you son of a bitch. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Nobody says like, yo, I'm the villain. | ||
| Like, nobody ever says that. | ||
| There are a few guys, but they're pro wrestlers. | ||
| Yeah, but they do it as a branding thing. | ||
| Listen, I got to get out of here, but I really enjoyed this conversation. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And for all the people that judged you coming in, I hope they gave you a shot and let you throw your thoughts on. | ||
| I'm happy to come back anytime. | ||
| Let's do it again. | ||
| Let's do it again. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And you can get a hold of him and send all your mean shit or nice things to Chuck C. Johnson on Twitter. | ||
| And gotnews.com is your website. | ||
| And I think you're a very thoughtful person. | ||
| I really, really do. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| It's nice to meet you in real life. | ||
| Nice to meet you, too. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, you fucks. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| Big kiss. | ||
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| Go to 1-800FLOWERS.com. | ||
| Click on the radio microphone in the upper right-hand corner and enter in J-R-E. | ||
| That's 1-800FLowers.com. | ||
| Enter in J-R-E. | ||
| Thanks also to Stamps.com. | ||
| Oh, you badass bitches. | ||
| Go to stamps.com. | ||
| Before you do anything, click on the microphone at the top of the homepage. | ||
| Type in J-R-E. | ||
| That's stamps.com. | ||
| J-R-E. | ||
| Thanks also to MeUndies, my favorite underwear in the known universe. | ||
| Go to meundies.com forward slash Rogan. | ||
| That's meundies.com forward slash Rogan and get 20% off your first order. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I guarantee you, you will love them. | ||
| Free shipping as well. | ||
| Thanks also to Onit.com. | ||
| Go to O-N-N-I-T. | ||
| Use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements. | ||
| I got a full week of podcasts for you, you motherfuckers. | ||
| So that's it for today. | ||
| Tomorrow, Sam Harris is joining me. | ||
| And then Rich Roll on Friday. | ||
| Oh, yeah, baby. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Much love, my friends. | ||
| Take care. |
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