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April 27, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #639 - Greg Proops
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joe rogan
Either way, I could, depending upon the day, I could argue both ways.
Greg motherfucking Proops is here!
Greg Proops is one of those dudes that actually wrote a book.
I'm one of those dudes who threatens to write a book, but never does it.
But you're one of those dudes who actually wrote a book.
The smartest book in the world.
You bad motherfucker, you.
greg proops
I just learned to read, and so I thought, why not put it to use?
joe rogan
I have another level of respect for people who write books.
greg proops
It took so long, Joe.
You think it's going to be easy.
Because it's off the podcast, right?
Obviously, it's a cheap marketing ploy.
joe rogan
From the smartest man in the world.
greg proops
Smartest book in the world.
joe rogan
There's a big difference between orating and writing.
There's a big goddamn difference.
And sometimes, like for stand-up comedy, that's like why one of the most important things is you have to do both.
And the guys who only do one or the other, it easily doesn't...
I mean, some guys can pull it off.
Some guys just like to just go up and just keep going up all the time and just going over the material in their head like sort of Jay-Z style.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
And never actually sitting down and writing things out.
greg proops
I know guys who don't, you know, only a key word here and there.
And then I was just in Denver and I made everybody get their book out because I wanted to look at everybody's book.
You know, like I'm obsessed with the fact that we're the last people who write things on pieces of paper or...
All the time for our own information.
The rest of the world has completely gone phone.
joe rogan
Really?
greg proops
I think so, but I mean, I don't know.
You carry a notebook, right?
joe rogan
I carry a notebook when I perform.
greg proops
Right, me too.
joe rogan
I have one of those little tiny moleskins.
greg proops
Uh-huh.
So I took mine out, and of course, it's just...
Sheaf of garbage with, like, every napkin and stationary from every hotel on earth.
joe rogan
Right.
greg proops
And stuffed into moleskins.
And then the other guy takes his out, Deacon Gray, his name is a Denver comic.
And his is written like a playwright.
Each page, just beautifully.
You know, every word of the joke written down.
joe rogan
Right.
greg proops
And I'm like, I write, like, corn.
You know, and then try to remember the other 18 minutes that goes with it.
So, like you say, sometimes you need to write the whole thing out and look at it.
But my question was, and I don't know if this works with you, if you write something down on a piece of paper, for me, I remember it.
If I type it into something, I've got to read it a thousand times.
joe rogan
They've done studies on that, actually.
That the best way for someone to remember something is to actually physically write it longhand.
Is cursive longhand?
Is that what they call longhand?
greg proops
Yeah, they call that longhand.
joe rogan
That's longhand?
greg proops
But, I mean, just writing it.
I don't write in cursive.
I don't know anyone who writes in cursive that much.
brian redban
My mom does, and she sent me a whole letter the other day, and I couldn't read it.
Halfway through, I just gave up.
Because I don't even...
The Z-R thing, I can't tell if it's Z's or R's.
greg proops
Like that.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's wrong with the microphone?
Why is it flopped?
greg proops
Michael Moore wrote this thing about running for president a couple weeks ago that was pretty funny.
He's not doing it, but one of the things he said was, well, the first thing he said was, universal cords for everything, right?
For all devices, all computers, phones.
He goes, we've had the same plug in the wall for a hundred years.
There's not 16 different ones.
Why is every device...
joe rogan
Well, almost everybody but Apple uses a microSD, right?
greg proops
Right, right.
joe rogan
Or a microUSB, right?
greg proops
Every brand they change.
But he also said everyone has to be taught cursive.
And his reason was it's the one thing that's absolutely distinct like a fingerprint to every human.
Our signature is...
You know what I mean?
You can copy people's signatures, but we all learn our own way to write.
brian redban
Old government tricks.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
greg proops
And so I agreed with him on that.
I thought, I don't really write letters in cursive like your mother did because she went to school before, but I learned cursive, oh my God, when I was...
Eight years old or nine years old, you know?
joe rogan
Well, the way you write is always like, it's always distinctive so much so that it's a segment in television shows and movies and plots.
You know, they bring in the handwriting analysis guy.
greg proops
A giant loop on the P and a giant loop on the G means an outstanding personality and the double O's are, you know, blah, blah, blah.
They can break you down in how you...
joe rogan
Do you have the same signature that you did when you started comedy?
greg proops
Uh, yeah.
joe rogan
Or did you abbreviate it?
unidentified
Ish.
greg proops
No, I have an abbreviated one in case I gotta sign a thousand things.
joe rogan
So you have two versions of your signature?
greg proops
Not a lot of letters, yeah.
Where it's just kind of G's and P's.
I like the people who've narrowed their signature down to, like, nothing.
It just looks like a blob, and you're like, that doesn't look like your name.
That's kind of a...
Willie Mays I have a couple of autographs of.
I didn't get them personally, but they were given to me.
And Willie Mays learned handwriting in the 30s in Alabama, where he grew up, I'm sure, at his little school, right?
So his writing goes the other way entirely.
Like, it doesn't look like Willie Mays.
It looks like ween, ween, ween, like all going one way.
And I looked at it for ages until I figured out, oh, he's holding it like this and going like that, with his W. He's making a W completely backwards to the way you'd make a W. But Babe Ruth, who went to school in the early turn of the century in Baltimore, and he went to an industrial school where the priests and the nuns beat you and stuff.
joe rogan
Old school.
greg proops
Yeah, he went to one of those.
His signature is absolutely beautiful.
And he wrote with his left hand.
And if you wrote left-handed then, it was terrible because you were using a fountain pen or you dipped it in a well.
So your hand goes across your work.
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
Oh, that's gross.
greg proops
Every left-hander had to learn to write with their hand up.
joe rogan
Yeah, writing left-handed is a real bitch, man.
That's a real bitch.
I tried to practice it once when I broke my arm.
I couldn't write with my right hand, so I started writing things with my left, and it was bizarre.
First of all, it's bizarre how shitty your left hand works.
brian redban
Yes!
joe rogan
It's incredible.
greg proops
It's amazing how poor...
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean if you think about what your right hand can do with drawing things and writing things down very quickly with excellent control of your fingers, excellent articulation.
greg proops
Thank you.
joe rogan
You switch over to your left hand like you get tired writing.
greg proops
It's such an effort you have to concentrate.
All of your right brain on writing.
brian redban
My right arm, though, is starting to turn into my left arm just from using cell phones too much, how I sit and use my computer.
I was getting early signs of carpal tunnel or something, but it's turning weak.
I could feel it get weaker.
greg proops
You're right-handed.
brian redban
My right arm.
greg proops
And you've overused it with devices.
brian redban
So much.
joe rogan
They say that with people with thumbs.
Thumbs now, they have more carpal tunnel issues with thumbs than, like, ever in human history between Xboxes, Game Boys, and texting.
greg proops
Yeah, everything's this now.
joe rogan
It's all this one movement.
And with kids, there's some kids that are fucking addicted.
We've had many conversations on this podcast about electronic addictions and how real they are now.
Ari Shaffir just switched over to a little flip phone, and somebody else just switched over to a flip phone, too.
Oh, Rory McDonald, UFC fighter.
He switched over, too.
greg proops
From a smartphone?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, it's just too much.
I just don't feel like I get enough me time.
I'm just constantly dealing with texts and tweets and looking at this video and watching that.
brian redban
Do you think that's head trauma?
That's why they're going back to the flip phone?
joe rogan
Both Ari and Rory.
Rory has been hit, but rarely.
He's very skillful.
greg proops
Ari lost his other phone.
joe rogan
Ari made a conscious decision and talked about it while he had his iPhone.
How dare you?
greg proops
Yeah, I believe you.
joe rogan
Well, he really did, man.
greg proops
I think it's good, though.
I know people who use old-tasher ones.
I got a buddy in Illinois, and he brought out his, and he had a little razor, man.
joe rogan
Why not?
greg proops
You know what?
I don't think you have to do everything.
I got buddies, too, who aren't on Twitter that are comedians, and they just want their privacy.
They're not on Facebook.
They want to live their lives, man.
And I say right on, because I find myself wasting too much time on it.
You know what I mean?
The difference between doing your business on it, because we all got to tweet and go on Periscope and shoot each other and be the monkeys, but when you find yourself just going through Twitter, just looking for something that's interesting, you're like, I could be building a home out of bricks or...
joe rogan
Getting something actually done.
greg proops
Writing a sonnet to my wife or something.
joe rogan
Or reading a book.
greg proops
Yeah, like my book.
joe rogan
Like the smartest book in the world.
Like, why would you fuck with Twitter when you could just read that?
greg proops
I don't think I bang on the internet too much on there.
A little bit.
There's a few things.
The whole WWW World Wide Web thing, I'm like, World Wide Web is three syllables, and WWW is nine syllables.
So why do we say the abbreviation?
That's so true!
unidentified
World Wide Web is much faster to say than WWW. World Wide Web is way quicker!
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
I never thought of that until right now.
greg proops
And I put it in the book like, why have we said WWW, friends?
joe rogan
That is so fucking funny.
greg proops
Did you find Willie Mays, isn't it?
And no one ever said anything.
Someone pointed it out to me a couple years ago.
A friend went like, why do we say this?
And I'm like, oh my god!
joe rogan
W-W-W. World Wide Web.
greg proops
Because we think we're shortening out by saying W-W-W. Like, hey, that's a hip way to say it.
brian redban
It's stuttering.
greg proops
Why don't we just say dub-dub-dub or something?
joe rogan
That's some connection to life.
There's something in that.
Like, there's a reason why life is so goofy.
There's got to be some connection.
greg proops
I stick that one in there.
I like words that I hate and stuff.
There's a couple chapters on that.
joe rogan
Just words that you hate?
greg proops
Well, like, you know, people.
I said, like, soups and cray-cray and all that.
I said, in 50 years, it'll be like saying buggy whip or whippersnapper or, you know.
joe rogan
I like when people use cray-cray in an anonymous or in an ironic, rather, way.
greg proops
Yeah, I don't mind that.
joe rogan
Like, if something fucks up and some guy does something really stupid and someone goes, damn, he cray-cray.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's funny.
If they don't really mean it, but if they do mean it, it's like, ooh.
You just shouldn't accept that level of culture automatically.
greg proops
I agree.
There has to be some bulwark against the barbarians.
joe rogan
There has to be something against the horde of sheep who are willing to all act and behave the same.
There's got to be something.
There's got to be...
greg proops
Not having a smartphone is one way.
I remember, was it John Waters who didn't have email up to like a couple years ago?
joe rogan
How dare he?
greg proops
He would have someone take down everything and hand him a sheaf of paper and he'd like go through all the messages and everything.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Tweet for me!
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would like to say, you remember when people used to use it like, if you had, you know, at Red Band, it would be, is going to the doctor today.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Like, it wasn't direct.
It was sort of you were talking about yourself in the third person.
That was the way people initially used Twitter.
You know, and I was always like, get the fuck out of here.
I'm not gonna do that.
I'm just gonna just talk normal.
But there was a lot of people that used it, like, at your name, and then, you know, is having a great time at the movies.
Like, who?
You?
Are you having...
You can't say I'm...
greg proops
It's fine writing in the conditional, you see.
I'm a third-party observer to my own life at all times.
I'm narrating myself.
Greg is having a good time being here on the Joe Rogan Show at this moment.
joe rogan
And you get fucked if you have too many letters in your little name.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
Because if you have the real Greg Proops Esquire, then your tweets are going to be really short.
greg proops
Harley Moskowitz, the adventurous rabbi.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, your tweets can be still 140 characters, but no one's going to retweet the whole thing.
They're never going to quote tweet it, because they can't.
greg proops
No.
joe rogan
Because your fucking name's too long.
unidentified
Wow.
greg proops
The issue I have with all of these things is they're all fun and they're all great and they're all groovy and the reason why I have a career is because there's an internet.
I just find that everybody trusts technology too much in so much as the people who make it and the people who are overwatching us, they are not benign.
joe rogan
Whoa, is this some dark overlord type shit?
greg proops
No, we're not going to go to the room full of 11 men and the Council of Five or nothing like that.
I'm just saying, you know, be mindful of all the stuff you tape.
You know, people just tape every intimate moment of their lives and all of a sudden, just like in the movie with Cameron Diaz, you're on the cloud and...
brian redban
No, it's getting worse and worse for me because I've been staying at home a lot more or trying to.
And so I have webcams where they're recording me play video games and stuff, and I'll forget that I have that on.
And then next thing you know, a day later, I'm sitting there talking and I realize that, oh, I'm just talking.
Jamie could just be sitting there listening to me right now.
Because it's so easy to do with Xbox Live or all these other programs.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a new thing, and it's going to transition probably into something even more invasive.
It's probably going to be like we were saying before, like some sort of a Google Glass thing, like through a ski helmet type situation where, you know, that's what they're working on with that magic leap, right?
Wasn't that part of it?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It was either Magic Leap or one of the other ones that they're working on where they they can spin Objects in the air in front of them and stop them and move them and stretch them out like you could open like Minority Report.
You're doing it in the air.
Minority Report was on like a screen.
Was it a screen?
greg proops
I believe so.
joe rogan
Yeah, no screens.
You're just doing it in the air.
The world becomes your desktop and I think we're talking about two different technologies.
I think that The other stuff is the Magic Leap thing.
I think it's a different type.
greg proops
Yeah.
There's that Sony TV. What is this one?
joe rogan
Oh, this is the watch that's on your arm?
greg proops
It's a window.
A group of benign people who care about you, who are well-groomed, are thinking right now about your future.
joe rogan
Advertisements.
brian redban
Oh, that's so cool.
joe rogan
Anytime you have an advertisement for anything that might even be potentially remotely dangerous, those advertisements should all be illegal.
I've been watching advertisements lately on late night television.
They have all these advertisements about drugs.
Like, ask your doctor.
All these ask your doctor commercials.
And I'm like, these commercials are terrifying.
greg proops
And then when they start listing the side effects, and sometimes the side effects is death or suicide, and you're like, really?
joe rogan
Dude, the side effect from this one thing for zits, the entire, I don't know what the medication is, but it was a genuinely disturbing video.
Because you know that happy song?
Happy!
They're only playing like the background music.
They don't have the lyrics to the music.
They don't have the vocals.
But these two girls are walking and bopping down the street like they're in a fucking music video.
And it's about zits.
And it's about your zits are keeping you from being...
So you gotta ask your doctor about this medication that stops your zits.
And then it goes through all the lists of shit you should be careful of.
Including bloody diarrhea.
greg proops
Oh my goodness!
joe rogan
This is in the fucking commercial.
And they're saying you have to be careful of abdominal cramps because they could be fatal.
You gotta go to your doctor if any of these things happen.
I mean, they run through a fucking laundry list of shit that you have to be worried about.
Where I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.
This is real?
greg proops
And this is on TV? And they want 13-year-old girls to take it.
joe rogan
And they manipulate you with the dancing and the pretty girls?
This is the shit.
We're not showing this to the rest of the world, right?
What's it called?
Onexton?
Okay, so it's got these girls.
They're beautiful.
They're fucking flawless.
They don't have a mark on their face.
How come you can't get someone with zits that needs this shit?
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
You got these gorgeous model girls, and while they're jogging down the street, this fucking happy song is playing.
Dude, it's dark.
It's dark.
brian redban
Dead eyes.
greg proops
I was going to say, and then an alien comes aboard and takes control of your life.
joe rogan
Well, they're showing you the ideal.
This is the ideal.
greg proops
Flawless people.
joe rogan
But think about what they're selling.
Who the fuck looks like this?
If I take this medication while I look like that girl?
Why do you have that girl?
Why is she so beautiful?
Does she have zit problems?
So why are you using her for this fucking commercial?
That's like showing Lexington Steel in a big penis cream commercial.
No, show a regular dude with a little dick grow a big dick, okay?
You can't show giant dicks.
That guy was born with a giant dick, and it's the same thing here.
Those girls were born flawless.
I mean, that girl has a perfect skin structure, or a bone structure, and beautiful, clear skin, and she's dressed fashionably, and the music is playing great, and her hair's blowing just so in the wind where it looks like a casual summer day.
And you're like, God, if I just took this medication, I could hang with these bitches.
But no, you don't look like anything like them.
It's insane.
Everywhere they go, there's models.
It's like the world's filled with tens, and you're going down the street bopping to music, and everyone's got a little dog.
Like, what the fuck are you selling?
greg proops
Oh, and the beautiful backdrop that they were in front of that lovely building and there was woods and whatnot.
There was no rappers anywhere or homeless people.
joe rogan
No, no.
There's no...
greg proops
It's a fantasy.
joe rogan
Yeah, no fat people lost a foot to diabetes, pushed around in a wheelchair asking you for money.
greg proops
What's the expression?
Impossible beauty standards, they say?
joe rogan
This cult commercial is one long impossible beauty standard.
And it's about something that's, you know...
That fucks with people when you get zits all over your face.
brian redban
Scary face.
greg proops
Side effects may include you become an alien with bright red hair.
joe rogan
Jamie, see if you can find out where the side effects are.
We gotta play it.
Because they go on for like a minute.
unidentified
I mean the side effects just fucking keep going That's not the whole one You gotta go before that where it says you could die.
greg proops
Limit your time in the sun?
joe rogan
Okay, let's just stop right there and back that up one more time.
I want to hear that one more time.
unidentified
Stop use if you develop severe, watery, or bloody diarrhea or severe abdominal cramps, as these may be fatal.
joe rogan
Stop.
greg proops
As these may be fatal.
joe rogan
What in the actual fuck?
Not to overuse a term like cray-cray, but seriously, what in the actual fuck?
I was watching that commercial last night on TV during a hunting show.
Okay?
I'm watching a show about...
Hunting.
greg proops
Wow.
joe rogan
And they have this commercial about bloody diarrhea.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
I might have changed channels.
I might be wrong about what I was watching on.
But I wasn't wrong about the actual commercial itself being insanity.
greg proops
No.
And the visuals and the soundtrack don't match.
At that moment when they're talking about Buddy Diarray, she casts a sidelong glance and throws her hood off and gets ready to run.
joe rogan
I don't think we should be so flippant about the influence of these goddamn commercials at all.
I think this is like coercion.
It's like voodoo.
They're brainwashing people.
greg proops
What's the actual number somewhere in the neighborhood with the phone now?
It used to be hundreds of ads a day with just walking around on TV. But with the phone, I think it's up to, what, three, five thousand a day or something like that?
The ads that you have to make your way through?
joe rogan
There's a lot of fucking ads, man.
greg proops
And it's all mind-bizending and poisoning, and it has an agenda.
And the agenda is to take money from you and fool you.
joe rogan
Well, I don't worry about that when it comes to, like, cars, as long as the cars are safe.
Like, make it sexy!
New Dodge Viper!
I don't mind that.
You're gonna coerce me in that way, that's fine.
I do mind it, though, if I might get bloody diarrhea that kills me.
You're coercing me.
Imagine if you're a young girl with zits, and you might have an unfortunate looking face, and you just always felt like you're an outcast, and maybe if my skin was clear, then I wouldn't be scared to go to the gym.
You know, maybe those girls at school would be nicer to me, and I'd have, you know, more popular friends.
And you see this fucking commercial.
And the next thing you know, you go into your doctor, and the next thing you know after that, you've got bloody diarrhea and you're dying.
brian redban
How would you get bloody diarrhea, though?
joe rogan
There's only one way.
brian redban
Well, yeah.
But it wouldn't be bright, right?
It would be like that black, red diarrhea.
greg proops
Of course, it would be a diarrhea situation.
brian redban
So an acne medicine is giving you internal bleeding.
greg proops
Well, obviously the FDA approved this, but knew that within a certain group, however what a number is, whatever they feel the number is safe, that many people out of that number, it's okay that they get these things.
That's insane.
As long as you say consult with your doctor, that probably adheres to some code within the...
joe rogan
God, that's one of the most fascinating things about us biologically is the fact that you could take something and it has no effect on you at all.
And I can take the same thing and die.
Like, you know, things that people are severely allergic to or...
Allergic reactions even to medication.
I mean, how many times you ever been asked if you're allergic to penicillin?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine being the poor bastard that's allergic to penicillin.
Fuck, man.
Like, it could be, you know, one person, nothing.
Guy next to him, he'll die.
brian redban
I'm allergic to penicillin.
unidentified
Are you really?
greg proops
Do you have to wear a little thing?
joe rogan
Dude, that's hilarious.
brian redban
And it sucks about being allergic to penicillin is that you're allergic to all the cillins.
So like the maca cillins.
greg proops
And those are in other medicines.
brian redban
Yeah.
And I get strep throat a lot.
Like almost once a year.
And so normally you just take penicillin.
joe rogan
Dude, I had no idea you were allergic to that.
That's wild.
brian redban
Something that's not as effective.
joe rogan
How did you find out?
Did you take penicillin or did they test you?
brian redban
Yeah, as a kid, I took it and I broke up in this huge rash and stuff like that.
greg proops
Could you breathe?
brian redban
I think I was fine breathing, but it was all over me.
It was pretty gross.
greg proops
But it was obvious.
It happened within a certain...
brian redban
Oh yeah, it happened immediately.
greg proops
Oh my gosh.
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's crazy.
greg proops
But you realize that before penicillin, the casualties in wars and stuff were off the charts.
Like, what is it?
World War I is when it gets invented?
Because the lack of good antibiotics to treat any kind of post-wound infection or any kind of...
joe rogan
What terrifies me is how nature's trying to keep up with antibiotics, and they have these MRSA infections that people get, where they're hospitalized for months.
I mean, some people, they catch MRSA. MRSA is like medication-resistant staph something or another.
I think that's what it stands for.
But it's particularly common in surgery cases for some reason.
Like people have surgery.
What happened?
unidentified
Nothing.
greg proops
I just caught a look at myself on camera and I have Janet Cronenberg water buffalo hair.
joe rogan
Someone said in the, what is it, Periscope chat, you have genius hair.
greg proops
Yeah, that's what I'm going for.
Mad genius.
joe rogan
Genius hair.
I mean, it goes with your...
greg proops
Pervy professor.
My hours are posted.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What the fuck were we just talking about?
greg proops
Merva.
They're being resistant to antibiotics.
joe rogan
Oh, MRSA. MRSA. That scares the shit out of me, that they're trying to get stronger as we make more...
I mean, it's almost like there's a war going on.
Like antibacterials.
greg proops
Yeah.
Eventually, those won't work.
joe rogan
Well, do you know, some people that use them all the time, they get so crazy that they kill all the resistance in their hands to other bacteria.
So they get warts and shit all over their hands.
It's like really common for people that become addicted to that stuff.
It's not a bad idea every now and again to give yourself a little antibacterial in the hands.
A little of that stuff, that gel that smells like alcohol.
It's got to be good for you.
It smells like medicine.
My friend went over and looked at a house and inside the house was a closet full of the stuff.
greg proops
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They were gonna buy this house.
They went and looked in the house and they opened this door and there was a fucking closet filled with hand sanitizer.
Just bottles and bottles and bottles and bottles.
Like a crazy person was terrified of running out of hand sanitizer.
greg proops
It's been a godsend for germaphobes.
Yeah, everyone is an anal germaphobe loves it because they just they're every two seconds I've known some people and they're always you know That's a psychological thing right right it's like ODD or what are they called OCD yeah OCD not ODD so don't you think that that almost like fuels it like having That's what I mean.
It's absolutely being validated that the thing you're afraid of is true.
You know, I'm afraid of touching anything or touching anything.
Like, when I do my podcast, I talk to everyone in the audience before the show for a while, and I shake everybody's hand, so I'm communicating whatever disease anyone's giving me to everyone.
And I don't use hand sanitizer.
I'll go in the dressing room and wash my hands after that, and then start the show.
But...
We all have to take that chance.
We're all humans and live with each other.
joe rogan
I think it's good for your immune system, too.
greg proops
I do, too.
I've never gotten sick from it, and I'm never...
Nothing bad.
joe rogan
You don't go licking your hands, though, right?
greg proops
Like I say, I wash my hands after the show.
I do not pleasure myself or dance around or make a taco or anything like that.
joe rogan
But how bizarre is it that this is a concern?
Just think about the actual existence.
Of human beings.
How bizarre is it that there's a concern that you might get an organism that's attached to another person, and that organism will threaten the very ecosystem that your life depends on.
That's real.
Like, that's how people get colds.
You're rubbing up against an organism, you get it in your body because it came off of someone else's body, and it may or may not kill you.
You know, like the flu?
brian redban
How many times have you shaken all these hands after a show and then fingered a girl without washing your hands and now that is inside of her?
greg proops
I mean, that goes without saying.
joe rogan
I think everyone can relate to that, Brian.
I always wash my hands after shows.
greg proops
Yeah, I wash my hands too.
And also, I don't think about it that much, but now that we're on the subject...
The microphone never gets cleaned off.
At a gym, you would never touch equipment that didn't occasionally get something wiped over.
joe rogan
Especially with your face, you kind of kiss it sometimes.
greg proops
How many times do you accidentally put your mouth on it?
Or you're making a sound effect and you're fucking...
joe rogan
Yeah, you're sucking on who knows whose face.
greg proops
I get it all up in the mic all the time and you'll...
joe rogan
They don't sterilize that thing.
greg proops
They never touch them with alcohol, and really they should, now that I think about it, maybe I'll go Todd Glass on everyone and have them change the lighting and sterilize the things.
joe rogan
Well, I think worst case scenario is these things, these foam things.
greg proops
Right, because this is just a receptacle.
joe rogan
We're spitting into that fucking thing, and there's like growing all kinds of weird funky shit.
I bet if we had a microphone and we looked at what's actually going on in the foam of this microphone, I'd be fucking terrified.
greg proops
Oh, yeah.
It'd be like the clouds of Venus or whatever.
There'd be every manner of thing growing in there.
brian redban
It'd be pretty cool taking all that DNA, though.
You know how many people have talked into that microphone?
We have David Lee Rock DNA. You've got a Hall of Fame in here, man.
joe rogan
I wonder, how long does that stick around?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Forever.
unidentified
Forever, man.
greg proops
It's like the internet.
unidentified
Forever, man.
I think for spit, it's got to be pretty fresh.
joe rogan
You can't use a hundred-year-old spit.
If somebody sucked on a flute a hundred years ago, I really doubt they'd be able to get some DNA off that.
greg proops
That's a good question, and I can't answer it, but off what you're just saying, I was in Philly a year or two ago, and I went to Independence Hall, right?
And they got the...
Several drafts of the Declaration of Independence, like the pre-drafts before the one that we all know.
And it says on the explanation on the wall, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington is sweat and DNA is all over this.
Because they were like this over it with pens writing.
So I wonder if this bit lasts, because according to this, it's like...
Them touching it and their hair landing on it and them sweating on it was enough to you could extract.
brian redban
It's definitely DNA in the future if it hasn't been created yet.
joe rogan
Right.
If we can't pick it up now.
brian redban
Right.
greg proops
I mean, whether it would be a whole readout of a complete DNA molecule, or whether it would just be some of it, I don't know.
But they were like, "Oh, Benjamin Franklin's DNA is all over this thing." Like literally, and I was like, "Ooh, that's kind of exciting to think about them just sitting there going, I'm going to...
When in the core...
How do you spell, you know, course?" And you know what I mean?
Right.
Because there's all those scratch outs on it, and ink, and them touching it.
brian redban
Poor wiping techniques.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, no hygiene.
greg proops
The thing I think about when you look at old...
joe rogan
They didn't even brush.
greg proops
No, the thing about old paintings is, you know, that someone's...
You know, the physical act of...
That's always the...
To me, that brings the past back instantly, because it's like the genuine article.
If someone made a painting 500 years ago, like you see a da Vinci or something, he certainly went...
You know right and had paint on his face and and touched with his hands and put the brushes and You know got up to it and stood back from it and you know You're seeing the completed article, but the process that went into it is like any plastic art Yeah, isn't it the immediacy of them making it?
joe rogan
It's kind of fascinating how once you give something a name like DNA Yeah, and it becomes a normal part of your discussion it you you kind of forget How crazy just being able to lick something and leave fucking DNA is.
The idea that you're a stamp, like you're sending a bill, and you lick it, and you seal that stamp.
That has your fucking genetic markers on it.
And they can identify you really well, like down to like in the high 90s, right?
It's like not 100, but...
We know it's you, bitch.
And they take these fucking, these saliva samples and all sorts of different samples they can get DNA off of.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
greg proops
Skin, hair.
joe rogan
But did you hear that?
No, but here's the hair thing.
Did you hear that the hair science, like there's a good percentage of it is bullshit?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
It was actually invented by the FBI and responsible for hundreds of convictions.
Where the doctors, like, wore a fucking lab coat and said, without a doubt, 100% of these came from the same person.
greg proops
Hundreds.
And it goes back 20 years since they started the program.
I read about it last week.
It's scandalous.
joe rogan
It's not just scandalous, it's horrific.
greg proops
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
People were put to death.
greg proops
Yeah, they were.
joe rogan
People were put to death for crimes who the fuck knows if they were guilty or weren't guilty.
But if the tipping point was this hair thing, that's gotta be murder, right?
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
It is murder.
greg proops
It's the state murdering people.
joe rogan
That's murder.
Why can't we charge them with murder?
Do you think anything will come of this?
greg proops
I think it's a shitstorm.
It went away right after I first saw it.
But that's definitely the kind of thing you have hearings about, I think.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
greg proops
Funding for programs, things like that.
joe rogan
There's a fundamental, huge flaw in the system.
And the fucking fundamental flaw of the justice system is there's winning and losing.
And when people get involved in winning and losing, they cheat, they lie, they steal.
They want to win, because winning becomes more important than anything else.
greg proops
Especially the good guys, because the good guys want to win.
joe rogan
Winning becomes more important than even justice and truth, because along the way, they develop this attitude, like, look, if I'm going after them, they're already fucking guilty of something else.
greg proops
I know who's guilty.
joe rogan
Especially when they're dealing with like young kids that might have fucked up a few times in a juvenile home or went to jail like they'll they will literally cause crimes like Give people Sentences that they don't deserve lock them up with fucking planted evidence like this is not it's not an Uncommon thing that only existed in a movie and if we saw it in real life we'd like right if we saw someone planting a gun on a murder suspect or a murder victim and We wouldn't even think twice.
We were like, of course they did it.
These people do this sometimes.
And everyone who becomes a cop is just...
The one thing that everyone who becomes a cop has in common is they're all people.
That's the one thing.
So that alone would let you believe that most people should never be fucking cops.
The vast majority of people should never be fucking cops.
greg proops
You couldn't be trusted with that kind of responsibility.
unidentified
No way!
joe rogan
That kind of power...
greg proops
And then when it gets abused, like, you know, now we've seen, you know, the last six months, the last two days, the police state, the overfunding, the militarization, the absolute lack of code when it comes to black people or the underclass, and then it just piles up, you know.
Now we see it, though, more and more, and now we're highly, keenly tuned into it, especially since Walter Scott got aced on videophone horribly a couple of weeks ago.
joe rogan
What is that?
greg proops
The guy in, which town was it in?
joe rogan
Walter Scott.
greg proops
Remember, it's on the video.
You see the cop put a bunch of slugs in the guy who got shot and was running away from him.
That poor son of a bitch.
Yeah, that poor fellow.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
greg proops
So, like, now we're real acutely aware that cops, like you say, are people.
And panic, shoot, people go crazy.
The views of their situation they're in.
joe rogan
They develop personal animosity for this person they're trying to take out because it becomes a competition.
It becomes a competition of arresting them, then it becomes a competition of convicting them.
It becomes us against them.
And even if you're a great guy and you're the perfect guy for being a cop, you always have to be on guard of some fucking asshole trying to shoot you or jumping on you and punching you.
When you're arresting people, you have to always be on your...
Complete red alert because we've all seen those videos of cops that were like pulling people over and then they got shot or pulling people over.
Have you seen the one where the woman pulls the guy over and the guy beats the shit out of the woman in front of his daughter and his daughter screams, stop daddy, stop!
He knocks her out and beats the shit out of her when she's unconscious.
greg proops
Holy cow.
joe rogan
It's horrific.
It just shows you, first of all, you can't have a lone woman by herself in that scenario.
I mean, everyone wants to believe in equal rights and There's no physical equality that just doesn't exist.
And if you're going to be a woman and you're going to be in a situation where you have to arrest a big physical man, you can't let them get anywhere near you, ever.
You can't let them get anywhere near you.
You have to make sure that everybody that's around you, whether it's other cops, they know what's going on, they know where you are right now.
Because it's highly likely that this guy's going to make an irrational decision to just beat the fuck out of you.
And if you don't get to your gun in time, you're done.
And that's the case with men, too.
So those men have to constantly be worried about it.
They have to constantly...
So they're always fucking freaking out and tense.
It's almost a job that no one can do.
greg proops
Well, how do you do it every day and measure the justice every day?
And then when you see how shit the system is and when you see how even the people you're arresting have to live amongst, their life's not so hot.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, the people you're arresting, you feel sorry for them.
greg proops
You're at both ends of the spectrum because on the one hand, like when you saw that Ferguson report, the mandate from the city was you go out and you get those fines because that's how we generate income in this town.
You go out and arrest people, you pull people over for license plates, lights, Any old minor for being black, just whatever.
You just make that happen.
And so in the report it said they were getting pressure to be those kind of cops that had to just...
Minor infractions were how the city was making its money.
joe rogan
God, that's so crazy.
unidentified
Right?
greg proops
So that's a complete inversion of how we perceive what the police are supposed to do because we're paying the taxes, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
It's glorified revenue collecting.
greg proops
Right?
But that puts something on them that they didn't sign up for.
You know what I mean?
Like...
When the troops have to defend money, positions, and interests for our country, that's when I get huffy.
People are like, you should be for the troops.
I'm like, I'm all for the troops.
You put them in poisonous danger with shit that's not tested or no body armor or poorly armored vehicles that get blown up by IEDs and stuff, and that's our fault.
You know what I mean?
That's the government being malfeasant and not protecting the people.
It's asking them to do something.
That's more than you signed up for.
joe rogan
Now imagine if the cops, the soldiers rather, also had to write tickets.
They had to collect money from insurgents.
greg proops
In essence they do, right?
joe rogan
In essence they do, but can you imagine if they were put into that situation where not only did they have to go and fight wars, but they also had to ticket these people.
greg proops
Pull over you.
joe rogan
Look, once it happens, then that's what it is.
And that's the problem with cops.
We can't think of a time where a cop wouldn't be writing speeding tickets.
But it's fucking ridiculous you're making a cop do that.
Either someone's violating the law, which means they need to be brought into jail, or it's not that big a deal.
It's one or the other.
It's one or the other.
You can't just take money from people because they touch the gas pedal a little too hard.
greg proops
But they do.
And parking fines?
I mean, LA, you know.
I lived in San Francisco.
And London.
The three places I've lived.
And parking is, you know, that's the whole income of the city.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, parking's giant.
If they made free parking, they didn't write out parking tickets.
And then, you know, they can make a little bit of money from the change, but they bank on you fucking up.
greg proops
Oh, yeah, they do.
What is it, 60 bucks to go over the meter?
joe rogan
60. In Hollywood it is.
brian redban
60, and then if you don't pay it in like two weeks, it immediately jumps to like 150. You don't pay that for like a week that goes to like 300. We used to throw them in our glove box.
joe rogan
For parking your fucking car!
greg proops
Before that happened, when I lived in San Francisco, I had a crappy Chevy Vega that you had to put two quarts of oil in every day.
Nothing worked, but...
I must have got a thousand tickets the first year I lived in San Francisco.
And I threw them all in the glove box.
And finally a bench warrant was issued and I had to go up here in front of a judge.
And at that point, this is like 1980, it was like $1,500 worth of $5 tickets, right?
unidentified
Wow.
greg proops
And she went like, what is your problem?
And I went, I'm sorry, Your Honor.
She goes, well, what are you going to do?
And I'm like, I don't know, I don't have any money.
She went, $450, get out of here.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg proops
I think I paid it over a couple months.
I didn't even have $450.
joe rogan
My car got booted once.
Got booted because I didn't pay the tickets.
brian redban
Parking tickets?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
Did you have to call someone to come unbooted?
joe rogan
I think I had to go somewhere and pay some money.
It was a long time ago.
It was in the 90s.
I remember it was in LA. I got the boot.
greg proops
In London, they'd take the car up and put it on a truck and take it away.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Whoa, assholes.
You can't just take someone's car because they owe you money.
A car's worth way more than a fucking parking ticket.
greg proops
Yeah, it's astounding.
brian redban
I found out the other day, I was going through my mail, and I had almost thrown it away, that I guess when I was in San Diego, I went on one of those highways that I guess was a toll road, but they don't even tell you, or they might have told you, but it's real easy to just get on and get off and not even know you're on it.
joe rogan
They take a picture of your license.
greg proops
Yeah, and it's like you didn't pay.
brian redban
And I didn't even know about it.
And I owe it a lot of money because I didn't...
joe rogan
So you did it a bunch of times?
unidentified
How much?
brian redban
I forget now.
It's because it was like two months old or three months old or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, so it kept going up again?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that goes up too?
brian redban
Yeah.
greg proops
I got one through Illinois after Christmas.
I did a gig in Bloomington or somewhere.
And I went on a toll road and I was like, did I pay?
You know, I just went through a thing and went like, was I supposed to stop?
Because there was no people manning this thing.
joe rogan
That's a trick.
greg proops
There was no people manning it.
I can see there were lanes where people had discs and I thought, oh shit, as soon as I went through it.
And sure enough, a week later, my wife goes, when were you in Carbondale, Illinois?
And I went, I was driving from Chicago and I drove on a tour.
And she's like, well it's $25 or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's that thing where they used to do where you go through a red light and they would take a picture of your license plate.
greg proops
Isn't that illegal now?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was deemed illegal.
brian redban
Wow, they still use it in West Hollywood and stuff.
joe rogan
Do they still use it?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg proops
I see them the other day.
joe rogan
I don't know if they use them, though.
I don't know if they still write tickets, because I'm pretty sure they deemed that unconstitutional.
greg proops
Yeah, they did.
joe rogan
Because it was a third party that was profiting off of it.
It was a private company.
So, like, you really didn't have to pay those tickets.
Like, when you would get one of those tickets and it would say, you ran a red light, we won a hundred bucks, like, they were getting the money.
Like, the money wasn't going to the state, and everybody's like, hey, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, you can't have a private company that also profits from it.
I mean, the state must have gotten a piece of the action.
greg proops
Sure, but it was easier for them to just farm it out.
Well, I mean, prisons are privatized.
That's why there's a million, billion, zillion people in prison in this country.
It's not because that many people have done anything worthy of being in prison.
joe rogan
Yeah, it will end a function of that whole system where someone's a winner and someone's a loser.
Like when you see people win, when they win in court and they find not guilty, yes!
And that's like the three-pointer of all three-pointers.
You know, if you're about to go to jail and you're like, remember when O.J. Simpson, when they said not guilty?
And he was like, really?
unidentified
Jesus.
greg proops
Really?
unidentified
Wow.
Really?
joe rogan
You can see that look on his face?
That guy, I mean, he was trying to play poker, but he hit the lottery.
He knew it.
He won.
Three-pointer.
Swish.
Nothing but net.
Home run.
Over the building.
Into the parking lot.
greg proops
Breaking car windows!
joe rogan
I mean, he won, right?
You can't have winners and losers when it comes to laws in court.
That's just too crazy.
brian redban
That's weird that he didn't just hide after that.
Like, it was such a huge win that why would you even, wouldn't you just, like, not leave the house for the rest of your life?
joe rogan
No, he didn't want, I mean, I think he didn't want anybody to think that he was guilty.
greg proops
He's in jail now, isn't he?
He's in jail now for assorted felonies.
joe rogan
Well, he's in jail now for, I think they called it kidnapping and something along those lines, armed something.
greg proops
But that was the caper in Vegas, right?
joe rogan
That was a thing in Vegas where he was a victim of someone taking his stuff and selling it.
Like, some of his memorabilia got sold by this guy and he wanted to get his stuff back, so he brought some dudes who brought some guns.
brian redban
Ah.
joe rogan
And as soon as that's the case, you're fucksville.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the government came in and they go, dude, we've been looking for an excuse to put you away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so they just locked him up.
He's fucked.
greg proops
It's like you say.
My wife and I always say it like when...
You know how Hollywood is so, especially young actresses, they get all drugged up, they go crazy, the next thing you know you see a picture of them, and then they're in the street upside down, and then they stay here.
Or maybe they go to rehab for a month, and we always go, move to France.
Move somewhere where they'll appreciate you.
You're still a star in Europe or whatever, no matter what.
And other countries, they don't look at it the same way.
But why stay here under the scrutiny of TMZ and all the people who you know?
joe rogan
Because they don't speak French.
That fucking Rosetta Stone is a pain in the ass.
If you want to really learn French, it takes too long.
They're lazy.
They want to do coke and get fucked.
greg proops
Yeah, they are lazy.
I'm like, when Michael Jackson, when they shit at the fan, he like stayed and said, you know, and you think, He went to another country, man.
He did.
joe rogan
Which was like, wait, what?
greg proops
Which is really weird, because you're going to a slave state, dictatorship, you know, emirate that's run by royal people who have, there's no, like, you know, democracy.
joe rogan
Like, what was the idea there?
greg proops
No one gets to vote.
joe rogan
Why the fuck would he move there?
greg proops
Because he could be protected by rich people that he felt safe.
joe rogan
That must be, right?
That must have been when all the legal shit was hitting the fan.
greg proops
It's a wall of rich people.
joe rogan
God, that's terrifying.
Michael, we will have your back.
greg proops
My joke was he's staying at the I'm Inside a Boy Hotel.
Ah, you son of a bitch.
Now I just feel bad about him, you know?
I watch the videos sometimes and think, God damn, he really was the fucking gifted, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, but I mean, how about the fact that he was made a star when he was a young, young, young boy?
Of course it does.
It's impossible.
You can't go through life learning about the trials and tribulations of being a human being amongst other human beings on earth if you never feel like you're one with all those people around you.
greg proops
No.
And he doesn't show business from five.
joe rogan
Cry on all that money, man.
Boo-hoo.
Well, I feel about him the same way I feel about...
Have you seen that video of those young kids in Baltimore that robbed the RT camera crew?
They robbed them on camera while all this rioting was going on?
Dude...
Have you seen it?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You gotta play this.
We gotta play this.
These guys from RT, first of all, those people from RT, that's where Abby Martin started out, and they have fucking balls.
I mean, people dismiss RT because it's Russian-owned, but their reporters do some ballsy fucking shit, and they were there while all the protests were going on for the young man.
What is Freddie?
What was his name?
greg proops
Ray, was it?
joe rogan
Freddie Gray, is that it?
greg proops
Ray, was it?
I can't remember.
joe rogan
I don't remember that.
It was a young man that was in police custody, and there was some discrepancy of how he died, and he died from trauma, and they think that the police beat this guy to death.
So there's this huge, huge backlash, because people can only see so many black dudes get shot by cops, or choked by cops, or beaten by cops, or shot Running away, unarmed.
They can only see so much of that.
And now they've hit this breaking point.
greg proops
I hope so.
I hope this changes things.
joe rogan
It's got to.
greg proops
It's been rolling on since Eric Garner.
joe rogan
What's been rolling on since the fucking beginning of this time?
greg proops
No shit.
joe rogan
But everybody who wants there to be no crime, you've got to think about...
We will all sympathize with poor Michael Jackson, born to this crazy family of...
entertainers and made famous when he was young and had a predilection Allegedly for young boys his poor fucker and his crazy twisted childhood Every day all across the country in ghettos there are horrific scenarios playing out that babies are growing up and And it's not all babies.
It's not all poor people.
But we're not talking just poor.
We're talking poor that are surrounded by desperate people.
Poor that are surrounded by people that have grown up doing crime.
Like, their whole life has been about crime.
Everyone around them is involved in crime.
You're going to run into those people occasionally, where a good percentage of their family is in and out of jail, where it seems normal.
It seems rational.
How about that person?
How about that person when she's got to go to college when she's 18?
What fucking horrific PTSD does she have from growing up in the worst sections of Compton or Inglewood or Watts?
greg proops
That's why education is more important to spend on than law enforcement, but they don't.
joe rogan
What's even more intense than that, it has to be taken to a totally different place.
Because it's not education in terms of like, come in, sit down, we're going to teach you about George Washington and his fucking cherry tree.
It's got to be this completely invasive, supportive system that eliminates ghettos.
You have to eliminate them.
If you don't eliminate ghettos, and I don't mean make it so that they gentrify it, no one can afford living in it, because that's how they eliminate ghettos in Brooklyn.
greg proops
I was going to say, it's There's been plenty of ghettos eliminated in a lot of towns I've lived in.
joe rogan
New York City has a huge problem with that.
greg proops
San Francisco.
joe rogan
Because New York, there's so much, the real estate is worth so much that they could just come in and there's an apartment building that's like old and shitty.
That space is worth ungodly amounts of money.
If they can convert it to high-end apartments, they'll just disappear just like that.
greg proops
Oh no, and then people are gone.
No, you mean improved neighborhoods where people live.
Having things like parks and resources.
joe rogan
All the above.
Counseling, community centers.
And even then, how do you penetrate the home?
How do you stop horrific childhoods from emerging?
But as human beings, what are we?
We're essentially...
This giant community of people that denies it's a community.
We have all these methods that we use to keep ourselves apart from each other, whether it's Republican or Democrat or Islamic or Jewish, all these little teams that we choose to.
But at the end of the day, we're all just one giant race, one superorganism.
That's it.
And anything that's counter to that, anything that's counterintuitive to that idea is unhealthy for us.
Well, what's counterintuitive?
Ignore the worst spots.
Ignore it and get angry at them.
Ignore your cancer that you have in the biological fiber of your being.
Ignore that and get angry at it for being that way.
Well, why don't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps there, staph infection, you know?
I mean, imagine if that's how you looked at, like, a broken ankle.
You fucking pussy!
You look down at your broken ankle.
How about, you know, I'm looking for the left ankle.
Left ankle's fine.
Left ankle's doing the same fucking roads you walk.
It's actually a perfect analogy.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
If you're running and you break one ankle, you know, does the good ankle go, what, bitch?
I fucking did the same road.
greg proops
Nothing happened to me.
joe rogan
This is not how it works.
As a superorganism, you can't have places like this scene in Baltimore.
Did you find the video?
Watch this video, because you're going to freak the fuck out.
Because, let's play, give it a little volume, hopefully, RT. So these guys, look at this.
unidentified
Fuck them doing shit.
greg proops
They doing bullshit for killing us out here.
unidentified
Fuck them fucking idiots. - So now you see these guys running.
Give me back!
Give me back!
joe rogan
Dude, dude, give me back!
He stole her bag and the cops tackled this guy and took the bag back.
So the cops saved her.
How ironic.
greg proops
Wow, right?
joe rogan
How crazy.
greg proops
Everything in play.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
This video highlights a lot of shit.
greg proops
Doesn't it?
joe rogan
And it illuminates why you fucking need police, okay?
There you go.
You just saw why you fucking need police.
You got your bag back.
Why?
Because the police...
Caught the guy who robbed you on air.
brian redban
Such a good ending.
greg proops
Yeah.
brian redban
Damn.
joe rogan
I mean, it's a great ending for the police.
That's like a fucking...
You would have to think that might be like a viral video.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you might have to think, like, if the police were smart, that's like the kind of video you pull out.
Have this really super ultra-liberal progressive chick getting robbed by black dudes and then screaming, give me back my bag!
She doesn't once drop an N-bomb.
She's not, my cell phone's in there, you nigger!
You know, she doesn't...
You know what I'm saying?
Like, she's super progressive, probably, really smart, you know, brave journalist going in there, and she gets saved by cops.
It's crazy.
That's pretty crazy.
greg proops
I think you're right, though.
Letting the sickness of poverty just go on and on.
unidentified
Sick.
greg proops
In a country where we really do have the money to save everything.
joe rogan
That's real racism.
That's real.
And it's not just racist to black people.
It's racist to a gang of different ethnicities that are just completely ignored.
How about poor Asian communities?
There's a lot of, like, ultra-poor Asian immigrant communities in this country.
Ignored.
Ignored.
Figure it out.
Figure it out.
You're on your own.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I don't even know what the solution would be.
But I think there's a big part of the prison system that's ingrained in these bad neighborhoods.
If you're looking at a bad neighborhood that's just...
Crime has always been there, okay?
So that means police activity has always been there.
So then it becomes like this symbiotic relationship between police activity and crime.
And there's no incentive whatsoever to try to slow it down, other than cops dying.
When cops get shot and killed on the job, that's like when a big push to settle crime down.
And usually it's just more arrests.
No one looks at the inherent issue.
There's a giant issue that this winning and losing shit of arresting people and punishing them and trying them and They found guilty or not guilty, and a yes or a no, and a green or a red.
It becomes a game.
And that game, no one in that game wants the game to stop.
greg proops
Well, it's for profit, because the prison system's for profit.
And then on top of it, there's no equity at all.
All the bankers, you know, to make a huge analogy, all the bankers and everyone who ruined the economy and everything, none of them did any time, and no one ever laid a hand on them.
But people who commit small crimes and petty crimes are always getting busted and thrown in.
joe rogan
Ian Edwards has a brilliant joke about that.
He has a brilliant joke about that.
I don't want to give it away.
I can't even say the punchline, but he's got a brilliant joke about comparing thugs to bankers.
It's fucking hilarious.
greg proops
My joke is, no black teenager ever ruined the economy on me.
And no black teenager ever invaded Iraq.
joe rogan
I like how you say it with the accentuation, Iraq.
greg proops
Iraq.
joe rogan
Like, bitch.
That's why the smartest man in the world is like, a lot of people couldn't pull that off, dude.
Your sense of humor is just like this, you know, there's some like unique sort of styles of humor.
Like Brody Stevens is like my favorite example.
Because the shit that Brody says is only funny if you're Brody Stevens.
But if you're Brody Stevens, it's...
Brilliant.
He was fucking destroying.
One night, like a month ago, at the comedy store, he does that late night spot after midnight.
All the comics have already gone up.
The show's been going on since 9 o'clock.
Everyone's exhausted.
Whoever's there is a glutton for punishment, right?
20 people in the audience, and then comics just start filtering in.
And Brody does like 45 minutes.
I put some of it on Instagram, where he's playing drums.
He's got someone singing along with him.
greg proops
Someone told me about that.
joe rogan
He's a man!
It's the Brody Show for the last hour of the Comedy Store.
It's the Brody Show when he does it.
It's him and Brian Holtzman.
Those are the masters at that late spot.
And Don Barris, too.
Don Barris is like the master of debacle.
If you want to see something absolutely ridiculous happen in the crowd late night at the Comedy Store, if Don Barris is on stage, it's likely to happen.
He's the master of that, becoming the ringleader of the crazies.
He's just so comfortable with crazy people, too.
greg proops
That's awesome if you have the will to do that.
You know what I mean?
You want to go in late night and strike it down.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
For Brody, that's like the perfect kind of set for him.
unidentified
Of course it is.
Of course.
greg proops
Because he needs to be in the moment.
He's very environmental.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he's a perfect example.
There's a video Play that video Because it's so ridiculous He's playing the drums Making kissy faces And he's got a guy Out of the audience Right next to him Playing the tambourine And people don't There's people in the front row that are from fucking Idaho.
greg proops
I've come to the world famous comedy store.
joe rogan
They're like, what are we seeing?
But what they're seeing is probably one of the coolest things you're ever going to get a chance to see.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
It's just completely freeform.
This one dude is just really entertaining and just having fun, off the cuff, constantly, you know.
brian redban
That place is so addicting to go to, man.
I had to take a night off last night just hanging out the comedy store.
They have that new bar open now in the back.
joe rogan
Oh, did it open?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The new green room bar?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's critical.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like this really cool little VIP bar, and then they're just cleaning it up.
It's amazing how that new GM has just really taken control of that place.
joe rogan
Adam's a bad motherfucker.
Yeah, we knew him from back in the Tempe improv days.
He's always been cool as shit.
greg proops
Who is it?
Adam.
brian redban
Yeah, Eric and Adam.
joe rogan
Well, who started?
Who's the big cheese over there?
brian redban
Eric.
joe rogan
Eric is the big cheese.
I don't even know.
Adam is the what?
brian redban
Booking.
joe rogan
General manager type duties.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just like they needed people that had some experience in comedy clubs that weren't crazy, and they never got that before.
Everybody that used to run the comedy store was completely out of their fucking mind.
You know, and Adam is just such a laid-back, easy-going dude.
He has, like, a great relationship with comics.
Like, all the comics that know him, it's always like, what's up, dude?
It's like a genuine friendship sort of relationship with him.
brian redban
He does the Norm MacDonald show, and he also works with Norm MacDonald also, so he's like friends with the comics.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's just a good dude.
Just a good dude to have around, too.
He's fun.
It's like you genuinely like to see him, which wasn't the case for that place ever.
Right.
It's a weird spot, man, that's still there.
It's still right there on Sunset, east of La Cienega, in the craziest spot in all of the world of entertainment.
That's Strip.
That's where the whiskey is, where Hendrix used to play, and the Doors used to fucking throw down.
I mean, that's right down the street from where River Phoenix died.
You know, that's up the street, man.
That's the Roxy where Sam Kinison filmed his HBO special, and it's right next door to the Rainbow Bar and Grill, which is like, you want to go back in time.
You want to go to the 80s?
greg proops
You want to re-bip that shit?
unidentified
Yeah, you want to see Molly Hodgett?
joe rogan
They're there!
They're there, and they're fucking drunk as shit.
They're having a good time.
That's a wild-ass part of the country, not just part of town.
greg proops
Yeah, it is.
I haven't played the store in ages.
I remember seeing you outside there once, and you were videotaping.
Is the back room still all red and Coke Denny?
joe rogan
The back room.
Oh, you like the green room behind the comedy store?
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or behind the main room, rather?
Yeah, it's all weird.
greg proops
You still have red and white walls and all that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's got weird old-school neon shit and a fake piano.
The fake piano, which has probably seen more lines cut on it.
greg proops
I was going to say, how many rails?
joe rogan
Any object in the known universe.
greg proops
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
And now one of the legs is broken, so if you lean on it and you have a big pile of cocaine, it just flies on the floor.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Wasting cocaine.
Sam Kinison's rolling in his grave.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
There was always these crazy rumors, too, that there's a tunnel from the back of the Comedy Store.
It goes under the Comedy Store, and it goes up to Crest Hill, where they had the comics house.
Because when they bought the house, they bought the Comedy Store together as one package.
Because it was like Bugsy Siegel's place.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
So they used to live right up on Crest Hill.
Or somebody used to.
greg proops
And then sneak under.
joe rogan
And there's a fucking tunnel.
unidentified
It's like, if the fuzz is here, what do you want to do, Mickey?
joe rogan
We're going to get in the tunnel, fuck those pigs!
And they get in the tunnel and just run up to the hill, tuck themselves in the bed.
What, officer?
I've been in bed this whole evening.
greg proops
The very notion.
joe rogan
Back then there was no DNA. No, of course there wasn't.
You touched this doorknob, stupid.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
There's an essence of you on the doorknob.
See, we brought it back around.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The DNA at the Comedy Store.
And Coke on that table.
greg proops
I'm sure there's residue from the...
joe rogan
Did you ever do the cocaine, Greg Proops?
greg proops
I have done.
joe rogan
Have you?
greg proops
I have.
I'm not doing it now, but I have done.
joe rogan
Did you ever go through a period where it went, I don't think I should do this stuff anymore.
greg proops
No, because I never seriously did it a lot.
unidentified
No?
greg proops
Because it's not...
I'm more of a pothead.
The feeling jacked wasn't...
For me, I have to drink gallons of vodka if I do cocaine.
And I'll drink anyway.
Yeah, because I can't sleep.
joe rogan
Oh, just to kind of calm you down?
greg proops
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Basically, coke is there so you can drink as much as you can humanly get down.
My joke was...
Because you go to the dealers.
I used to do a long routine about cocaine because George Bush said...
W. Bush said he didn't remember...
joe rogan
Whether or not you did coke?
unidentified
Yes.
greg proops
Someone said, did you do cocaine?
He goes, I don't remember.
And I was like, oh, you remember if you did coke.
There's no forgetting it, even if you just did it once.
And then it said, elaborate measures have to be enacted.
First of all, my distinct recollection is you have to go to an asshole's house.
And then he tells you about the quality of it.
And you're like, quality?
I've debased myself by being here.
I would snort Drano off a fucking midget right now.
I go, let's get this going.
I got a night to ruin.
Then someone drags you face down a stair.
You go to Denny's and spend the whole time barfing in the bathroom because you can't eat.
Someone drags you face down the stairs and you booty call someone at four in the morning that you met at a Yaz concert in 1994. Whoa.
joe rogan
That's a strong booty call.
unidentified
That's a Hail Mary.
greg proops
That's just disingenuous to say you don't remember doing cocaine.
joe rogan
Well, it's disingenuous because you would remember whether or not you have done it.
Because if you haven't done it, you'd remember all the time, I've never done coke.
Because that comes up.
If you have a conversation with people, once a year, someone will say, hey, have you ever tried Quaaludes?
You're like, no, I never fucked with that.
I don't fuck with pills.
unidentified
Quaaludes.
joe rogan
Yeah, dudes always have those sort of conversations.
Or women, I'm sure, have those conversations, too.
And you would know whether or not you take coke.
There's a decision involved in taking coke.
greg proops
There's this elaborate ritual that goes on with it.
There's all the chopping and talking about it and acting like it's important because it's expensive.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not like saying, have you ever had a shot of wild turkey?
greg proops
Right, I don't remember.
joe rogan
You could conceivably go, I don't remember.
I might have.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
What's the difference?
What's Jim Beam?
Is that Wild Turk?
Is that different shit?
You know, you'd have those conversations.
Like, that makes sense.
But not, I don't remember whether or not I did coke.
Get the fuck out of here, bitch!
Do you remember whether or not you've ever had a drink of alcohol?
I don't remember.
greg proops
What?!
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
No, you either did or you don't.
greg proops
It can be fun, but I think when you base the night around it, and everything becomes we have to do more and more and more, and then at the end of the night when there's no more, and then it's a sad time, that's always the sad part.
It's not a positive drug that way, whereas pot, at a certain point you're going to pull the ripcord because you're just too high or you fall asleep or we all go to Taco Bell or whatever it is, you know.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of tire, too.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've never done coke, but the stimulants, any kind of stimulant...
greg proops
Oh, you're wrecked the next day.
joe rogan
You're wrecked.
I did ecstasy, which is very much like a stimulant.
Especially, I think the shit I had was probably not 100% pure.
Because I've heard people say that if you don't try it pure, you really don't know what the actual effects are.
greg proops
Is it speedy?
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't to me.
I was definitely awake.
I definitely stayed awake for a long fucking time.
But I didn't think it was that speedy.
But then someone told me that it's really frequently cut with it.
I'm like, well, how do you know?
You're getting it from a drug dealer.
And that's inherently a big part of the problem, right?
You're getting it illegally, so you're at risk.
greg proops
Well, that's the thing about cocaine.
If you buy it from someone in a bar or something, then you're completely taking it on faith that they have the goodwill to not poison you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's what I was going to ask you about, the difference between stuff that's cut and stuff that's not cut.
greg proops
I don't think I've ever had rock star stuff.
You know, I hear stories about it.
You know, I've had friends who've done coke with famous people and junk and they go, oh, it was so pure and it was so good.
And evidently then you don't sweat and act like an asshole.
Evidently then you're the life of the goddamn party in your area.
unidentified
Exactly.
greg proops
Riding ladies' cigarettes and quipping off bone mows and absolutely being the event of the season.
No, I think whenever you're doing it, it's just because you want to get jacked and drink a bunch and then be an asshole.
brian redban
Or you're hanging out with a girl and you're like, oh, come here, I got cocaine.
greg proops
Yeah, there's that, the luring people to you with cocaine.
joe rogan
I think that's rape.
That's technically kind of rapey.
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
These days.
brian redban
Put a little quick in there, like chocolate quick to make it chocolate cocaine.
The chicks love that.
greg proops
Wow.
brian redban
Yeah.
greg proops
These are some tips.
brian redban
A little cocaine tip right there.
joe rogan
Chocolate cocaine?
Are you being serious?
brian redban
Yeah, just mix a little bit of quick in there and it tastes like, smells like chocolate when you snort it.
Girls love that.
greg proops
Have you actually done this?
brian redban
What?
Yes.
greg proops
You ever take Froot Loops and coat them with ecstasy?
No, that's too elaborate.
joe rogan
What I was going to ask is, is there a difference between needing alcohol when you have cut coke to not cut coke?
Do you remember Tom Sawyer from Cobbs, San Francisco?
greg proops
As well as I remember anyone.
I'm sending him a copy of the book tomorrow, in fact, with an elaborate inscription.
joe rogan
Tell him I said hello.
greg proops
I will.
joe rogan
But he always used to talk about rock star coke like it was the goddamn...
greg proops
That's what he'd say.
That's where I got the expression.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he would talk about doing it with like Kinison or Rockstar.
He did it with like a bunch of like, maybe it was Robin.
Might have been Robin.
Whoever the fuck he did it with.
But he would talk about how it was like the best Asian massage ever with a built-in happy ending.
No questions asked.
And you just sleep like a baby afterwards.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He made it sound like this wonderful experience that you needed to try, and then afterwards, the big thing is like, you could just go to bed, no problem, you could just go to sleep.
I'm like, how the fuck is that possible?
greg proops
I guess, because, I don't know, because is it a completely, I don't know what the properties are, but I'm assuming since it's a numbing agent, it's an analgesic or an anesthetic, almost, so really, what it's getting stepped on with is crappy speed and other shit, the additives is what, actually, I'm guessing?
joe rogan
Yeah, but then...
greg proops
Like, if you went to a pharmacy...
What a pharmacist would have would be pharmaceutical cocaine, and that would be very pure.
That's an experiment.
Let's get a pharmacist on the show, Joe.
joe rogan
Did you know that Coca-Cola still uses coca leaves?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
It's part of their flavor.
I don't think Pepsi does, but Coca-Cola uses actual coca leaves, and they extract medical-grade cocaine from it.
And then the same company that does this for Coca-Cola, they also sell medical grade cocaine to hospitals and shit.
brian redban
As a numbing agent?
joe rogan
I don't know what they use it for, man.
I don't understand, but apparently there's medicinal uses.
greg proops
To make you write a book?
joe rogan
It doesn't have anything to do...
greg proops
Make you invent psychoanalysis?
joe rogan
What is the stuff that they...
Lidocaine.
Lidocaine is like cocaine's autistic brother.
greg proops
I don't think I've ever...
Maybe if I'd done the Rockstar Cook, I'd be advocating it more.
To me, it always just seemed like the people who did it were never the people that I wanted to roll with.
joe rogan
Okay, lying inside of the mouth.
Nose, throat, mucous membranes before certain medical...
Well, huh, wonder why...
greg proops
Decreases bleeding and swelling, yeah.
joe rogan
So it's actual cocaine, not lidocaine.
That's interesting.
greg proops
Cocaine hydrochloride, huh?
brian redban
I don't know if you remember that one person I hung out with that used to do liquid cocaine.
And it was just like a little spray bottle, like a Flonase bottle.
And that's how you did it.
greg proops
You're just trying to get it into your membrane as quickly as possible.
And by putting it in liquid, you're absolutely...
joe rogan
What kind of liquid would you put it into that you could just spray into your nose like that?
brian redban
No, that's how it came.
joe rogan
It came like that.
brian redban
It came like that.
Like atomizer.
joe rogan
Wow, that's wild.
I wonder if that has a shelf life.
greg proops
That might be worth trying.
I don't know.
Like I said...
The older I get to, I don't want my heart to explode or anything.
joe rogan
Well, the real issue, they say, is with the way they process cocaine from the coca leaves, but that coca leaves themselves are not only not dangerous for you, but really common and kind of healthy.
I mean, they have, like, phytonutrients, and there's just some properties to them.
greg proops
Certainly, they've chewed it for thousands of years in South America.
joe rogan
But it rots the holy fuck out of your teeth, son.
It rots the holy fuck out of your teeth.
You see those dudes that chew those coca leaves all the time?
It might be because they like doing coca leaves so much they don't ever bother brushing.
brian redban
Yeah, they probably don't have really good dental care if they're chewing on...
joe rogan
It's possible.
greg proops
That's how they built the Ink Empire, because it's a mild stimulant, and you just stick it in your cheek, like chew, and you just keep it in there, and it allows you, because it restricts the blood vessels, to work at higher altitudes.
You know, there's all these...
They were able to build massive cities and inconceivable architecture at precarious fucking lofty heights all through the empire for thousands of miles.
And it was certain that they're all the workers.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of those...
Yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, that's a really common thing today.
greg proops
And the people who picket...
They don't snort it, they chew it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they all chew it.
It's, like, really common.
Like, they have these bags of it, and they hand it to each other, and they take it, and they grab it, and they stuff it in their mouth.
Like, look how much this guy's got stuffed in his face like a giant squirrel person.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
That's what they do.
greg proops
I mean, if you were climbing in the Andes and you wanted to, I think, feel better and not have altitude sickness, the cocaine alleviates that.
For us, who are land-bound, we don't live at 8,000 feet or whatever.
joe rogan
It's not cocaine.
greg proops
It's cocaine leaves?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's coca.
It's coca leaves.
Cocaine is the extracted form that's unnatural.
And it is fucked the same way sugar is fucked.
Like when you take sugar, like regular sugar, and you pour it on your frosted flakes, you're just poisoning yourself.
You're just giving yourself sugar.
It tastes awesome.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not hating it.
But you're giving yourself...
It's like a toxin at that level.
It's toxic.
It's bad.
It's actually bad for your body.
It can diminish your body's performance.
Your insulin levels get all fucking out of whack.
Everybody's like, what is this?
Because you're not supposed to have sugar in that form.
It's supposed to come attached to fiber and watermelon and apples and all these different fruits that we normally get sugar from.
It's supposed to be, there's like a relationship that these nutrients and the various aspects of food all have to the actual piece of food that they come from.
When you just extract one good Part of it like sugar or cocaine like you're taking it out of the whole Symbiotic plant system.
greg proops
It's very interesting though because isn't that like the story that you know, I just read this book I can't remember what it's called six six drinks in the history of the world and six drinks And they talked a lot about coca-cola in it.
joe rogan
Look at that shit.
greg proops
Sugar's addictive.
unidentified
I bet it is When the brain scans, sugar is addictive.
greg proops
It's the refining of everything and the extracting of everything that's changed the world, right?
Sugar is a giant moment in human history when sugar becomes important because then rum becomes important, then slavery and taking over the New World.
The whole history of the New World is built on sugar.
Cocaine and sugar.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, there's definitely good and bad with all sorts of things that have ruined all sorts of aspects of our world.
I mean, for a long time, people go to war for salt.
greg proops
Absolutely.
Stop and think about that.
Salt precedes sugar as the big item that everyone has to have salt.
Gandhi's first march to the salt marshals, because that's what he's protesting, the British.
Fuck!
Salt's a key...
Ingredient in human history and and people still say it and now I'm getting boring But I was just gonna say when they used to pay they paid people in salt You earned salt and you're worth your salt the reason what do you know why they do it?
You know what salt the properties of salt was good for it absolutely replenishes your body when you're you know working out and I guess the sodium is some sort of No, go on, tell me, because I'm just fumbling around.
joe rogan
No, those are all good, but the big one is a preservation of food.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
If you can take meat and you cover it in salt, and fish especially, you cover it in salt, it'll prevent bacteria from growing.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they would literally layer these fish fillets in stacks of salt.
Like, they would put salt, put the fish down, cover the fish with salt, put a fillet down, cover that with salt, and they would be fine, like, for days.
greg proops
Yeah, yeah.
Months.
You could ship.
That's how all food was kept in those days.
joe rogan
Would it really last for months?
greg proops
Well, that horrible stuff that they used to eat.
joe rogan
Salt cod.
greg proops
Salt cod and salt pork, right?
You'd salt the dickens out of a pork and then just keep it forever.
But they didn't have refrigeration, right?
So salt provided refrigeration for 10,000 zillion years.
It was how you kept food.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it was, like, people can't to this day go, what, you just pour your salt on your french fries?
People go to war for that shit?
It's a condiment.
You don't go to war for condiments, but that's not what it was.
It was like going to war for refrigerators.
greg proops
Very much so.
In ancient Rome, the big sauce was this fish sauce.
It tastes a lot like Vietnamese fish sauce.
Very salty and brown.
And it was like rendered fish that they let sit, and then they threw salt in it.
But it kept...
unidentified
Wow.
greg proops
You kept.
You could have it on your shelf for a couple of weeks, which in the ancient world, you're buying food every day, you're taking your bread to the baker, the baker breaks it, you bring it back.
You know, all of it has to be done on the day, right?
You have chicken or whatever.
You're not going to the supermarket and putting shit in the fridge for a billion years, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have a deep freezer where you keep pot pies.
greg proops
Salt is, like you said, the world fought over salt for ages and ages.
joe rogan
It's amazing to think about today.
greg proops
People were forced to work in salt mines and died in them.
That was like a huge punishment for ages.
There's a mountain in, is it Germany?
There's a mountain of salt.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg proops
In Germany?
There's a book called Salt, and it's very good.
Will you look up the book called Salt, the guy who wrote it?
joe rogan
And they reduced it just because of the world's need for salt?
greg proops
Yeah, they dug it all down.
Wow.
There's two mountains, one in South America.
I can't remember the other in Mexico.
Is it in Potosi?
Yeah, there it is.
joe rogan
Salt, a world history.
greg proops
Yeah, you'd really like it, man, because he breaks it down, and he shows you the salt mines, and there's pictures of the salt mountain, and it is un-fucking-believable.
joe rogan
I mean, we were talking earlier today about not having a smartphone.
What a big leap that would be to go back to a flip phone.
But look at the fuck people fought over salt.
That is so alien to us today.
greg proops
And spices, right?
The reason why Columbus was coming...
There it is.
The reason why Columbus was a mountain of salt.
I always talk about Columbus on your bloody show, but even Magellan, when he went around the world, he sent five ships.
They lost all of them.
They finally came back with one three years later.
Three years later, a crappy ship with 18 guys sailed back in.
Well, it had all been underwritten by businessmen from Germany who underwrote Magellan's voyage.
There was enough spice in that ship to pay for the whole trip.
A three-year trip and losing 300 guys and five ships or whatever, four ships.
Whoa.
Because they brought back, I don't know what they wanted on that one, nutmeg or whatever it was.
They had to go all the way.
Around the world to the East Indies.
joe rogan
No electricity.
greg proops
See, that was the difference.
Magellan was going to prove you could go that way.
All the way around.
Because usually they went around India and the horn.
And so, that's how valuable it was, and that's why...
Portugal and Spain were such giant powers because spice and then when Spain took over the New World there was a mountains of gold one in South America and one a mountain of silver I mean a mountain of silver that they made the Indians and killed them all doing it dig out and all the gold and silver in Asia is still in circulation is like Spanish gold Whoa.
Dug out of the New World.
joe rogan
That's insane.
There was a literal mountain.
greg proops
Two of them.
One in South America and one in Mexico.
That's incredible.
A mountain.
joe rogan
Fuck, it's not that long ago either.
You know, 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
That's not that long ago, man.
greg proops
500 years ago.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
greg proops
Yeah.
That's why Spain is a had money and why giant and then comes comes the the whatchamacallit the Reformation and after the Inquisition and now Europe becomes Europe and they all start fighting each other and It's it's really truly amazing what a small amount of time that is in terms of like in Perspective with the human history human history just even perspective with everybody wants to go to the beginning of the universe 13.7 billion.
joe rogan
Oh God But we don't even have to go that far.
Let's go to biological life.
And then human beings have been around just a small amount of time, and in that small amount of time, the amount of change that we've seen just in 200 years is so mind-blowing.
And we're talking about, like, going back to flip phones, being like some big, big fuck-up.
I can't believe I couldn't do it.
I can't do it.
greg proops
Why don't I just rub two sticks together?
joe rogan
Dude, I need periscope.
I'm periscoping all the time.
It's huge for my career.
You could go back to salt.
greg proops
Keeping your food alive with salt.
I'm gonna start lining everything up.
joe rogan
There's gonna be an asshole out there that does it.
I bet there's assholes out there doing it right now.
greg proops
Oh yeah, there are.
joe rogan
Those guys who make their own axes and shit.
greg proops
There's artisanal everything.
That's kind of the good thing about now, is now you get to see people, what the things you thought we lost, like, you know, blacksmiths and saddle makers, are back and making stuff, you know?
Like, everybody's relearning all these old crafts, how to be a...
No one knows how to boil metal or whatever and make all those ancient things that were so necessary.
If you didn't have blacksmiths 150 years ago in this country, even 100 years ago, wagon wheels, everything, horses, your guns, the tongs, the tools you worked with, you had to take it into him and he'd fix it and he'd give it back to you.
joe rogan
There's something really cool about that.
greg proops
When armies carried swords and spears.
joe rogan
On paper, there's something really cool about that, right?
greg proops
Someone in your group had to be a metal worker.
You know what I mean?
Someone in your unit worked metal, and you'd heat up a thing at night and bang, bang, bang, fix everybody's guns and...
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was a guy who made your furniture.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was a guy who chopped the wood and sawed it down to make your table.
greg proops
Yep.
By hand, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wow.
And everybody's table was slightly different, because they really were just marking it with pencils and sawing into the wood and...
greg proops
You can see it sometimes when you go to places like when they have artisans making...
I don't know.
I'm not going to go to a Revolutionary War village to watch them churn butter or nothing.
joe rogan
I don't like super stupid old school making shit with your hands, but I love watching people make shit that I don't even give a fuck about.
Like violins.
I don't play the violins.
But I watched some show about them making violins and the wood that they choose, and the harmonics of the wood.
I mean, when you look at a really truly expensive violin, I mean, that is a goddamn functional work of art.
greg proops
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
I don't play any instruments.
greg proops
No.
And I think the musicians who buy those high-end ones are reverent about their...
They definitely wax them down and keep them in shape.
The moisture's an issue.
You can't store it in a crappy place and it can't get bounced around.
joe rogan
I was at Conan with Sturgill Simpson.
Sturgill Simpson's a friend of mine.
He's a country music guy.
He was performing on the show and they asked him if he wanted to put his guitar out there early.
So that it can acclimate to the temperature in that room.
Because they keep the room where they film Conan...
greg proops
Like 65 degrees.
joe rogan
Keep it chilly so that everybody's like, woo!
It gives you a little bit more energy as an audience.
The worst thing you want is people who are really warm and really tired.
So you give them a little bit of a chill.
And that's like an old school David Letterman trick, right?
So they put his guitar out there early so it can get you...
And then they have to tune it again.
So you have to go out there, you have to play with it, and you have to know where it should be for every single note.
And you're twisting those little things on top, and I'm like, the wood itself moves and changes in 10, 20 minutes.
greg proops
The humidity of the room.
joe rogan
That's fucking bananas, man.
unidentified
Isn't it?
joe rogan
That is so crazy to think that it's so specialized.
And they can't make...
He was telling me that you can't make a really good guitar out of anything other than wood.
It just doesn't sound right.
They can make some electric ones out of, like, plexiglass and shit.
But it's a different sort of a thing.
But even they're not as good.
Like, you want wood.
unidentified
Right.
greg proops
And they're steel.
They're the ones that are all metal.
Mm-hmm.
Wood is the one.
I don't know.
I met a guy who made guitars for people.
He looked exactly like you'd think he would with a ponytail and a beard.
He was in The Hobbit.
That's all he did.
I was with John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin.
He was in Them Crooked Vultures with Dave Grohl.
I got to meet him.
He introduces me to this fellow.
He's like, who's this guy?
He's like, He makes mandolins.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg proops
And I'm like, oh, and he's my friend.
I brought him along with me.
He makes guitars and mandolins, and that's what I play.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg proops
Yeah, that's all he did.
joe rogan
And then people have this really intense relationship with the guy who makes their guitar.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I know dudes who have acoustic guitars from, like, famous makers.
They become friends with that famous maker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
That's a pool cue thing, too.
Pool cues, which are also, they can't figure out a way to make them really good at anything other than wood.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's interesting that, and they have relationships with the makers, like guys who play with certain guys' cues.
You have this really close friendship with this guy who makes your cue.
But it's interesting to me that no one's been able to figure out, in all the years that we've been manufacturing things, something that's better than something that just grows in the ground.
That's a trip.
For guitars, for pool cues, just for this table, man.
This table feels good.
Like, when I put my hand on this table and I feel the grain of it and I move, like, this is like, I think this table makes a better conversation.
I really do.
I think if there was this plastic thing here with, like, one of the Formica top, I think we'd feel less comfortable.
greg proops
No, then you're in a break room.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
Then you're not meant to stay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
You're meant to blow after 15 minutes.
joe rogan
Well, even these bricks.
These bricks are bullshit.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they're not bullshit.
They're actual bricks.
It's a slice.
They take a brick and they veneer it.
greg proops
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and then they put a metal sheet up, and then they put the spackle in or whatever the fuck it is, and then they put the bricks in.
They lay them one at a time, individually.
unidentified
Do they really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not like a...
Wallpaper.
It's an actual, they're actual bricks.
But to me, it's like, I know that's real.
See, if I go back there and touch that, that feels like a brick.
That feels like a real organic thing.
greg proops
Right, and bricks are, you know, what?
Mud and composite and all sorts of shit thrown into a mold.
You still have to mold them.
They're all irregular.
joe rogan
I would have a wooden floor if I owned this place.
I would change it.
I would turn the floor wood into it.
greg proops
Wouldn't it be too noisy for a studio?
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck?
unidentified
Let it echo.
joe rogan
Let it echo.
I would feel better.
I would feel better with shit that's organic stuff.
greg proops
I agree.
joe rogan
Like, if you could be in a grow room, that would be the ultimate conversation.
If you could just do a podcast, a video podcast from a grow room without going to jail or without getting your place stormed by people that, you know, know there's a million dollars worth of plants there.
greg proops
You're already getting me put in jail with all your questions today.
joe rogan
Not true!
We're living a new day!
Like, if you could go to one of those Warren Buffet-owned grow rooms in Colorado with, like, five indoor acres, they have, like, five indoor acre ones that this dude I know works at.
And they have two levels.
There's an upper and a lower.
unidentified
Colorado's taking shit to the next level, son!
greg proops
I just got back from Denver.
joe rogan
That is the beginning.
That is the beginning for the whole country.
The whole country is going to become that.
The whole country is going to become just like Colorado because they're going to get addicted to the revenue, and then they're going to get addicted to the behavior.
The revenue is one thing, but you go to Colorado right now, you have less drunk driving accidents.
You have less...
Violent crime.
You have the lowest incident of DUIs in something like 25 years.
There's all sorts of positive benefits to what the fuck's going on there.
greg proops
You're almost answering the next question, which is why it isn't happening everywhere.
It's like, well, if they're going to sell less alcohol, then there's definitely forces that don't want them to sell.
joe rogan
Not only that, you've got to worry about...
Criminals.
Like, I know someone who has a setup where he has Blackwater-type dudes.
There's these dudes who have bulletproof vests, and they walk around with machine guns.
And they're outside of this grow room because they're dealing with millions of dollars in cash.
Millions.
greg proops
And the banking laws, the next thing.
Because the banking laws are still archaic.
They're dealing on a cash basis in Colorado.
You pay cash money like you do here in California.
So every dispensary's got way too much money inside because they can't use credit cards.
And then what do they do when they take it to the bank?
unidentified
Banks don't accept more than $10,000.
joe rogan
Well, that's also what's going on with these asset forfeiture laws that are also being...
One of them got overturned...
What did we say, Tennessee?
We talked about it the other day.
It got overturned in Tennessee, where they were stealing people's money, man.
People were driving somewhere.
Let's say if you wanted to buy a car, and you had $7,000 on you, and you left your house with this money that you saved for a long time.
If they pull you over, and they go, why do you have $7,000 on you?
And you're like, well, I'm going to buy the car.
Get the fuck out of here.
They would just take that money, and then you would have to prove somehow that you don't sell drugs.
greg proops
Isn't that theft?
joe rogan
It is theft.
It's not only just theft, but they would spend that money.
It doesn't even go into a bank vault.
They spent it in the most ironic way.
They bought a fucking margarita machine, and they were using this margarita machine at a cop party.
So you used the drug money of you thought someone was selling drugs, you took it, and then you bought a fucking margarita machine with this.
To give yourselves legal drugs?
Like, you took drug money to buy some drug machines.
It's unbelievably gross.
greg proops
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's part of what they were doing in California with the medical marijuana.
Florida is a state legal thing.
So these places were following all the state laws.
They got licenses to open.
They opened up.
They even went through this whole dispute where they said, look, a lot of you are too close to schools.
You've got to close down.
There's all these legislation that got passed, and a lot of pot stores had to get closed down.
Even after that, the DEA came in.
They jackbooted these fucking kids that were working there.
There's one where this guy's stepping on this kid's neck.
The kid is totally being compliant.
They got him zip-tied on the ground.
He steps on his neck when he gets off of him.
I mean, it's fucked up to watch.
I get...
Enraged when I see that I want to beat the fuck out of that guy for doing that.
It's just it's so horrible And I think if that was your son or your daughter some 20 year old college kid who gets their heads stepped on by some fucking cunt Well, they would steal the money And then they would say that the charges are pending and never file.
So that three-quarters of a million dollars that they stole from your pot place, and you're making 20 bucks an hour or whatever working there, and they're stepping on your fucking neck and zip-tying your wrists until you have cuts on them.
For what?
And you're not even violating a fucking federal law.
greg proops
Well, the last head of the DEA just resigned.
And that woman was very bad about pot.
joe rogan
She was awful.
Look at this number.
Look at this number.
In 2012, Texas law enforcement and prosecutors ended the year with $143 million in their forfeiture accounts.
$143,040,730.
greg proops
You're talking about the system being wrecked.
This is what's wrecked about everything.
joe rogan
That is unbelievable.
That's one year.
greg proops
The state of Texas law enforcement preying on the people of the state of Texas.
joe rogan
Stealing from the people.
Stealing $143 million just in a year.
I'm sorry I interrupted you about that DEA lately.
greg proops
Well, not at all.
joe rogan
What's ironic is that she got put on.
Do you know what took her down?
greg proops
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
A prostitution party that the DEA had.
They were hiring hookers.
greg proops
Like the Secret Service.
unidentified
They had a little fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Secret Service and the DEA were having fun.
What the fuck?
greg proops
Leave him alone.
She got taken down for that, and she's not very progressive.
And I'm hoping that the new Attorney General is...
joe rogan
Yeah, blame for handling of agent sex parties with hookers.
Can't they just have a little fun off the job?
You fucking nannies.
You goddamn nannies.
As long as they weren't using state money.
I mean, where'd the money go?
What money were they using?
greg proops
The DEA is not exactly the most organized division of our government.
joe rogan
Well, we've played that.
Jared Polis was the representative of Colorado who's grilling her on what is more addictive, marijuana or crystal meth.
What is more addictive, marijuana or heroin?
What is worse for you?
I think that all drugs, and he just kept asking her, what is worse?
Is marijuana as bad as crystal meth?
Can you just answer that?
I think...
All illegal drugs are bad.
It's like the most maddening fucking bureaucratic red tape horseshit conversation.
greg proops
She would absolutely never fess up.
How did she get the job?
Washington went legal, basically.
Right around her.
joe rogan
Looking out the window of her office, denying the reality that it's going on right in front of Yeah, and not only that, denying all the medical studies that have all been completed, turned in, peer-reviewed, observed by everyone on the internet, it's not some crazy conspiracy.
greg proops
No.
joe rogan
And it's not like a mystery that pot's not bad for you.
I mean, and whatever negative effects that they've attributed to it, my God, you saw that bloody diarrhea commercial.
We've already talked about this.
Not everybody has the same reaction to all sorts of different things in your body.
But when it comes to the most mild of mild, when you look at the worst case scenario for reaction for pot, god damn, it's pretty mild.
greg proops
You'll probably fall asleep.
joe rogan
A few people seem to have issues with what?
They can't stop smoking pot?
Guess what?
People have issues with scratch tickets.
Okay?
They have issues with speeding.
There's people that can't go the speed limit.
They have an addiction to, like, pushing the limit.
Like, they want to just go, just, I can't go the...
It's not even that they're in a rush.
It's just they have this weird addiction to doing something that's naughty.
I'm just, I can't stop it.
They'll get 15, 16 fucking speeding tickets, lose their license.
They can't slow down!
It's not a Sammy Hagar song.
They're real human beings.
Right?
People are addicted to all kinds of shit.
That's why I like a lady like that.
It's really dangerous.
greg proops
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Having a person like that testifying on TV, if you don't have a guy like Jared Polis, a guy who just grills her and makes her look like a fool and doesn't do it in a...
I mean, he's not being an asshole about it.
He's not being mean or...
He's not pointing fingers and yelling and using hyperbole and theater.
He's just...
greg proops
Shocking use of the post, though.
I mean, they make you the head of the DEA and you're supposed to be in a semi-progressive government.
And who do you report to?
The president or Eric Holder or whoever it is?
joe rogan
But that's the hustle.
The hustle is that this is a semi-progressive government.
greg proops
But it isn't.
joe rogan
There's no such thing.
They don't exist anymore.
greg proops
No, they don't.
joe rogan
You can't get in there if you're semi-progressive.
You just can't.
You can put on the semi-progressive t-shirt when you're running for office.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
But when they had to redact all that shit from the Hope and Change, or whatever the fuck his website was, about whistle-ballers, When people, after the Edward Snowden thing, were like, hey man, do you remember what you said?
greg proops
That you were going to honor them and they were an important part of the process and blah blah blah.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
And they just pulled all that stuff.
It's a dance.
It's a dance.
Everyone, essentially, who gets into office has the same master.
They all have the same master.
greg proops
Oh, no question of that.
But I think what you were saying about pot, the thing people are going to get addicted to is...
The money.
Yeah.
The Colorado model is so successful, and I've been to Washington State too, and it's just spinning money for them.
And I said on my show last week, they can't have a bake sale and make this money.
The state, that kind of revenue is like found.
And I said, and you don't have to open a casino.
You know, it keeps that...
I mean, it's just, I don't know, I find it a lot more...
Acceptable and progressive than building casinos and bars everywhere.
joe rogan
Well, you know, when you see the ebb and the tide of society, and you see, you know, at one point in time, the Republicans were the really open-minded progressive party.
That was a long time ago.
That was what a Republican was.
What a Republican was was totally different than what a Democrat was.
It was almost like polar opposites.
And another thing that you're seeing today...
Really, lately, it seems like over the last few years, is the people who are progressive, probably as a reaction to all the assholery that they had to deal with as a young person, or what they believe is the slights and the...
Misappropriation of money for war and all the different shit that they're They should be right about they should be angry about but now they're the aggressive ones when it comes to policing speech when it comes to like Shielding people from anything that might make them uncomfortable right fat shaming There's a lot of crazy talk and really aggressive about it comes from the left now It's like they're the school marms You know, someone wrote that on Twitter.
I think Christina Summers was...
I forget the tweet, but I retweeted it the other day, but it was so appropriate because it was exactly that.
It's like, how did this happen?
It shifted.
And then Bruce Jenner goes on TV, says he's becoming a woman, and he's a Republican.
And everybody went, wait, what?
greg proops
Diane Sawyer's reaction was fantastic.
I cried laughing.
She went...
unidentified
What?
greg proops
And then she goes, you're a Republican?
And he goes, is there anything wrong with that?
And she goes, no, no, no, no.
So you're going to go to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell?
And he went, yeah, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
And she just went, there was a take of her, like, you're barking up the wrong tree, bro, Hames.
joe rogan
Well, he's an odd case.
greg proops
Isn't he?
He's unique, obviously.
He's famous, he's got a past, he's a famous sports star.
joe rogan
There's a lot going on there.
But I think, for transgender people, I think it's amazing.
greg proops
Oh, it's fantastic.
joe rogan
Two hours on TV dedicated to this person who's decided to become a woman.
And then here's the thing.
People will go, oh, well, you know what?
What about the possibility that what he has is a mental illness?
greg proops
What?
joe rogan
That is possible.
Listen, it is possible.
There's all sorts of possibilities when it comes to mental illnesses.
But that was my point.
My point is, if he has a mental illness, and the worst case scenario of the mental illness is he wants to be a woman, and then he becomes a woman...
greg proops
Right.
brian redban
But he's a lesbian, too.
joe rogan
But that's way better than having a mental...
greg proops
He's not going to be hetero, which was weird.
joe rogan
No, he's going to become a lesbian.
greg proops
He's going to become a lesbian because he's...
joe rogan
He's a man, right?
He was using the he pronoun.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
He wanted to be referred to as Bruce and he.
So, like, he has always been a woman.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So, it's very...
And, you know, you're supposed to, like...
You're supposed to not question that and let people get away with anything when it comes to he, she, gender definitions.
I guess that would be queer or whatever.
Whatever it is, whatever the fuck he wants it to be.
The point being...
First of all, why do you give a shit if he wants to remove his penis or not?
And second, if the worst case scenario is he becomes a woman, is it really so bad to be a woman?
At 65, what fucking difference does it make?
At 65, anybody who fucks you is throwing you a bone.
Let's be honest.
greg proops
Don't rush me, Joe.
Don't rush me.
I'm sitting right here.
joe rogan
If you're going to become a woman, that's a perfect...
unidentified
Don't show me anything like that.
joe rogan
If you want to become a woman, that's the best time when it's over anyway.
I mean, you wouldn't be a 65-year-old man or a 65-year-old woman.
Nobody wants to fuck you, dude.
Just, like, be a woman now.
It's perfect.
And you don't even need an operation.
greg proops
That's what I thought was funny.
joe rogan
We'll just call you a woman.
greg proops
Diane Sawyer was being pretty good about interviewing him.
And then when he said he wanted to be a woman, she's like...
You missed all the good years.
And I thought, that's really sexist.
You're a 65-year-old woman, Diane.
joe rogan
Not only that, she's basing his value on whether or not men will want to have intercourse with him.
greg proops
All of a sudden, she's using the standard that I'm sure she wouldn't want to be judged by.
If I said, well, Diane, you're over 60. I don't find you as attractive as I did.
You know what I mean?
And I thought that was really a wild thing to say.
I mean, I understood it because it's a knee-jerk reactionary thing to say, like, well, you Don't do that.
You're not going to get the pussy.
Like someone would say.
But I also thought, you're a New York intellectual media chattering class, rich, involved person type.
That was a pretty weird reaction.
You missed all the good years, especially since she's that age.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think she has the license to say it because she's that age.
greg proops
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
But also, it just highlights how ridiculous the progressive structure of language has to be.
Right, right.
She can't make a joke like that to him about something like that.
unidentified
Well, I thought it was funny.
joe rogan
It is funny.
But oh, it's so sexist.
I'm pretty sure that Diane fucking Sawyer isn't sexist against women.
I'm pretty sure.
You could be god damn reasonably certain.
No, you didn't even.
You're right in what you said.
And if you judge everybody by the standards that are really super progressive, Complainers will judge people by it, because there are certain things that people will write blogs about where you go, Jesus fucking Christ, will you stop?
greg proops
Let off.
joe rogan
Will you just stop?
You're being completely ridiculous.
Like, here was one.
There was a fat-shaming one that I tweeted the other day about Protein World, this thing that's going on in England.
They have this billboard.
Is it England?
They have this billboard that says, you know, is your body beach body ready?
greg proops
Oh, yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
And there's a girl in a bikini who looks really hot.
And people got angry that they were fat shaming.
That by showing this girl, so, look at this, are you beach body ready?
greg proops
Yeah, and then they took pictures of it, and they were defacing them.
joe rogan
Body shaming.
greg proops
People were running fuck off on it and stuff like that.
joe rogan
No, actually, that's not true.
Like, those defacings, most of them were photoshops.
greg proops
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Most of them were people bullshitting.
greg proops
I guess I didn't read very carefully.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, because a lot of social justice warriors that would be really into doing something like that are incredibly socially retarded.
And they have a lot of, you know, social anxiety.
And they're not going to go out.
Some of them would.
But they're not going to likely go out and spray paint over this shit.
greg proops
But going back to your point about Nupraxen or whatever that...
There's a nice gap.
The acne cream was.
Isn't this also an unrealistic, impossible body?
joe rogan
No, it's not if you're that girl.
But it's genetic.
I mean, if you're that girl, it's not impossible.
But it is genetic.
greg proops
I mean, yeah, but we're all, you know...
There's always going to be the perfect looking people, and everyone will always want to look like them, and then there's the whole question of...
joe rogan
But that's not shaming, okay?
That is impressive.
That's inspiring.
That's inspiring, and if you're a girl...
greg proops
Or is it only impressive because you're attracted to it?
joe rogan
Maybe, but if you're a woman and you can possibly look like that, which is not all women.
Some women have odd-shaped bodies.
That is just a fact.
We've all met women who are boxy or really wide, and, you know, it's probably annoying to them to see shit like that.
But guess what?
When that fucking dude who plays Tyron Lannister, what's his name?
The guy, the small man, what is this dude from Game of Thrones?
greg proops
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know the dude.
What is his name?
Peter Dinklage.
Peter Dinklage.
When Peter Dinklage sees a fucking Amber Crombie and Fitch ad with a dude with a six pack, you know, with long legs and long arms and shit, I bet that freaks him the fuck out, too.
But it doesn't mean Amber Crombie and Fitch should stop showing twinks.
With six packs to sell underwear.
It's fine.
It's not body shaming.
It's impressive.
That's what it is.
It's unusual.
It's not the mean.
That body's not the mean.
Who's got a body like that?
That woman's got a perfect body.
That's not normal.
That's not a lot of people.
greg proops
And she's gray.
joe rogan
It's not fat shaming.
Here's the real fucking problem with that.
Here's the real problem with what they're doing.
They're selling some sort of diet plan.
greg proops
Oh, is that what it was?
joe rogan
Isn't that what it is?
See what it is.
Well, what is it?
Is it just protein?
Let's go to the actual thing itself.
But see, people are so mad.
Like, look at that.
I smash patriarchy with a hammer.
I scroll down and look at that.
Look at this.
Look at this.
If I had a hammer, I'd smash patriarchy.
I found it.
And the hammer has feminism written on the handle.
I just want to tell you, that woman in that picture is an actual woman.
Like, she actually exists.
That's not patriarchy because someone wants to look like that.
She's attractive.
That is a sexually attractive woman.
greg proops
Yes, but we're caught up in a dominant paradigm that oppresses us at all times, Joe.
joe rogan
If you decide to look at the world like that, you can find absolutely everywhere you go.
greg proops
That's why sometimes I think it'd be fun to be a right-wing conservative because then you can just blame lots of people for stuff.
joe rogan
Well, how about being a left-wing radical?
greg proops
It's not much difference.
No, it's exactly the same.
I have all these people I'm afraid of and all these people I fear.
joe rogan
But you're not so left-wing radical that this doesn't make sense to you.
greg proops
Well, most things make sense if you think about it after a while.
joe rogan
I just don't...
I think that people absolutely would get uncomfortable if their body could never look like that, and they would walk by and see that.
But that's the breaks, you know?
That's just how...
That's life.
Life hands you weird cards.
And if you believe in freedom...
You believe that someone should be able to sell the image of that body to stand there with a bikini and use it for their products.
There's no problem with the product.
greg proops
No one really did deface the boards?
joe rogan
No, it's all bullshit.
greg proops
I thought I saw one of those the other day.
joe rogan
Some people might have done it, but apparently according to the people at Protein World, they had a statement.
They said that they were all Photoshopped.
greg proops
I live in French Fry World, and it's a little bit different in my world.
I am Beachbody ready in French Fry World.
joe rogan
I'm an heirloom tomato world.
greg proops
Heirloom tomato world?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I live off of.
A little balsamic vinegar, a little sea salt sprinkled on top.
greg proops
Do you put mozzarella on it?
joe rogan
No, you don't need that fucking cow shit.
Just slice through that tomato.
unidentified
Mmm!
joe rogan
It's one of the most delicious things in the world.
Heirloom tomatoes with a little balsamic vinegar.
Balsamic vinegar and just a little dash of sea salt.
greg proops
My wife really likes that.
joe rogan
Mmm, so yummy.
greg proops
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
Well tomatoes are supposed to taste like that, but those tomatoes last like an hour.
You buy heirloom tomatoes from the grocery store, those bitches are good for like a day, and then they start getting all mushy.
But when you eat them, you understand the tomatoes are really a fruit.
greg proops
The difference between the big puffy watery agri-farm.
joe rogan
The hard ones.
greg proops
Yeah, that can travel for weeks.
That's why they've bred them that way.
joe rogan
They bounce.
greg proops
They have a tough skin.
And they don't taste so hot.
joe rogan
They taste really bland.
greg proops
Yeah, watery.
joe rogan
There's a big difference between those and the Jersey beefsteak tomatoes.
They're old genes.
And that's genetically modified.
When people start talking about genetic modifications, guess what?
That's what that is.
greg proops
That's what the tomatoes in the corner are.
So they can travel.
joe rogan
It's selective breeding.
greg proops
And apples.
That's why there's only five kinds of apples instead of a thousand.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Yeah, and they're durable as fuck, too.
greg proops
We eat like five different kinds of potatoes here, but in South America, obviously, where the potato was invented, there's thousands of strains.
Yeah, they have all kinds of...
Every different shape and purple and green and...
joe rogan
All weird preparations and shit.
Yucca.
greg proops
Remember?
joe rogan
Has he ever seen yucca?
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how much is involved in processing that and making food out of it?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg proops
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's laborious.
joe rogan
Did you say yucca or yucca?
How do you say it?
greg proops
I would say yucca.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
You're probably right.
greg proops
But if I was Cole Porter, I'd write a song about that.
You say yucca.
joe rogan
But on one hand, what is that?
The humble potato?
That's all the different types of potatoes?
unidentified
Oh yeah, that's amazing.
joe rogan
Whoa, they look really cool.
greg proops
I mean, the Incas in South America and the American Indians in Mezzo and North America invented the horticulture and the husbandry, or whatever you call it, of potatoes and corn.
Corn was not an edible product until the Indians started planting it and making it into something they could eat.
And they developed it.
And the Incas and all the tribes that lived in South America and those civilizations developed all those potatoes and bred them.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
greg proops
And so it's an extraordinary feat of agriculture and the fact that potatoes and corn Basically saved Europe from starvation in that same time period we're talking about when they were able to bring all that back from the new world Europe wasn't doing so hot with the nutrition right around then They didn't have a lot of vegetables that kept and a potato is like a perfect Vegetable right yeah,
you could actually live on potatoes almost to the exclusion of everything else and not die because it has every vitamin in it It's really rich in vitamin C and potassium too.
And D as well, yeah.
Potatoes are like this extraordinary kind of...
And what do we do with it?
joe rogan
We take the fucking nutritious part off of it and we boil it in fat.
greg proops
Yeah, in fat!
And then put salt on it.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
We're so gross.
greg proops
And then put it in blue...
What is it?
Ranch dressing.
And like corn, you know.
The whole argument over GMO corn and everything.
unidentified
Corn is?
greg proops
It's all GMO.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
And also that GMO corn, the stuff that you get for cattle and stuff, you can't even eat that shit.
Oh, no.
The stuff they grow for feed, for animals, they grow it high in protein and resistant to pesticides and all that stuff.
In that show, the documentary King Corn.
They tried eating it.
You know, they grew an acre of corn.
They went through the whole process through the documentary, and then they tried to eat their corn.
They're like, what the fuck are we growing?
greg proops
Isn't that horrible?
joe rogan
It's disgusting.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Well, that's when you find out how dangerous California's drought is.
Because we always associate the heartland with growing all of our vegetables, but that's not really the case.
The heartland is where we grow all the corn.
We grow a lot of different shit, obviously.
There's a lot of soy and all sorts of different things get grown.
But California's responsible for a huge percentage of the tomatoes, a huge percentage of the almonds, a huge percentage of the blueberries, avocados, strawberries.
greg proops
Oranges.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
There's a lot of shit that gets grown in California.
And you find out how fucked we are with water.
So you realize, like, oh, this is a food issue for people.
It's not just a food issue for our food.
It's a food issue for people, too.
greg proops
Oh, no, the whole country.
That's why I want to lead a midnight raid to Lake Mead tonight, if you guys are up for it.
joe rogan
You gonna steal water from Nevada?
greg proops
Yeah, I got a truck.
It's pretty big.
I thought we could get some jugs and whatnot.
Now, I haven't thought this plan out the whole way.
joe rogan
How good is this Lake Mead water?
greg proops
Well, it's pretty tasty.
It's been run through a dam, so there's, you know...
joe rogan
Filter, like a big Brita.
greg proops
Exactly.
I don't think there's any impurities.
Put it in a bong, whatever.
joe rogan
Isn't it low?
Isn't Lake Mead low as well?
I feel like that was something that was a concern.
greg proops
Oh, yeah.
All the reservoirs.
The drought's terrible.
This is the worst one I remember.
I don't know if you lived in California your whole life.
Are you from California?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
I moved here in 94. Where are you from?
I grew up mostly in Boston.
unidentified
Oh, Boston.
joe rogan
I was born in New Jersey.
I lived out here from age 7 to 11, though, in San Francisco.
greg proops
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
Well, in the late 70s, there was a huge drought in California.
And that one was the first one that I remember really getting serious.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was here for that, I believe.
I think that was like 78 or something, right?
Lake Mead may hit record low.
greg proops
Can you believe this?
So look at the shoreline.
joe rogan
My God.
greg proops
Yeah, the shoreline is going to be dirt.
joe rogan
Well, that's how Lake Travis is in Austin.
Have you seen that?
That's terrifying.
Lake Travis is way worse.
Pull up pictures of Lake Travis in Austin, Texas.
Because some folks bought these multi-million dollar gorgeous estates on the water of this amazing lake.
And they're like, honey, we are living the fucking dream.
We have a house on the lake.
Look at this.
It's incredible.
You go out your back door.
You have a cocktail.
You hear the fucking frogs.
And you're like, we live on the lake.
This is amazing.
Well, then the lake is 200 yards away now.
greg proops
Oh, right, right.
They've lost most of the lake.
joe rogan
Your boat's in the sand.
It's not even mud anymore.
Like, your boat is laying in this mad max.
greg proops
What do we do about drought?
How come no one's ever figured out how to seed clouds?
joe rogan
I know how to do it, bro.
I know how to do it.
You get all that water from the fucking glaciers that they're complaining about.
Let's see.
No, no, no.
You get a pipe, you put it on the water, you take the water back.
The same thing they do with oil.
Look at that.
Isn't that insane?
These are photos.
We're looking at photos right now of Lake Travis where you can see people's docks.
See those houses up there?
Those houses were like shoreline houses.
That's the water level.
greg proops
So there's nothing left.
joe rogan
Nothing left.
So these houses, they had this big backyard, and the backyard looked over this dock, and they would go out to their boat and just...
Fucking jet set lifestyle.
Look at me, living in Austin, Texas, like a fucking gangster.
And then it all went away.
The water, like, literally all went away.
It is the craziest thing to look at from a satellite photo, or from an aerial photo, rather, because you realize where the shore used to be, there's some pretty distinct versions.
Like that.
See, that looks like a river.
That used to all be blue.
That whole thing was blue.
And they're letting that motherfucker dry out because they pump water into Lake Austin.
Lake Austin is still full.
I think they get their water from the Colorado or something.
The Missouri maybe?
What do I know?
I'm a lake expert.
But the point is, they get their water and they still...
Make sure that Lake Austin gets water.
But they don't do it to Lake Travis.
They're like, fuck it.
We gotta pick a winner.
And you ain't it.
Look at that house on the lower right-hand side, Jamie.
Look at these people just sitting there.
Oh my god, that's insane.
greg proops
And what's left of the lake.
joe rogan
There was one in the lower right-hand side, Jamie, where you could see this big mansion that had a backyard.
Before you clicked on that one.
Yeah, right there.
Click on that one.
Look at that fucking house.
This guy used to be able to go out his back door and just fucking swim and fish and do whatever he wanted.
God, it must have been amazing.
Look at that house.
This badass house.
Power line above his house is going to kill him, though.
greg proops
I was going to say, he built it underneath the...
The tower there?
joe rogan
He might be a ham radio operator.
He might be one of those Art Bell motherfuckers.
greg proops
My wife and I went and looked at a house a while ago, one in L.A., and it was in a cool neighborhood on the east side and whatnot.
And we get there, and of course no one has shown you in the pictures on Reddit or whatever.
Or not Reddit, I don't know.
joe rogan
Silo?
greg proops
Yeah, whatever the fucking real estate site.
One of those electrical towers, like, right in front of it on the street.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
greg proops
And you're like, that's a little close for me to look at every day to be under.
joe rogan
Not only that, I don't think that's healthy.
greg proops
It can't be.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think there's, like, actually...
greg proops
Although my hair...
joe rogan
This might be bullshit.
greg proops
Then I'd have genius hair all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg proops
Because it would just be...
Yeah.
I'd be like young Einstein or whatever.
joe rogan
Imagine trying to watch TV and you hear the sound of that thing outside your house.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg proops
It's a weird sound those things have.
joe rogan
Have you ever walked by like a real big, one of those real big towers?
Like you can actually kind of hear the electricity when you get close.
greg proops
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
That freaks me the fuck out, man.
brian redban
Especially people that live underneath those, because there's a couple in Burbank where it's like that, where you park your car on that street and you just hear that hum and the sizzle and you live right underneath that?
That can't be grid.
joe rogan
You look out your windows, you see your lights like just glow a little.
greg proops
Right.
unidentified
Just a little bit.
joe rogan
Your brake light's just a little glow and dimmed out.
unidentified
A little glow.
greg proops
We better get those trees for every one of our outlets so we don't have a surge, man.
joe rogan
Well, what's crazy is that Tesla, a long fucking time ago, when he was in that battle with Westinghouse, Tesla wanted to make electricity available to everyone, like radio.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somehow or another you'd be pulling your electricity out of the air, and he developed some kind of a projection method of electricity.
So instead of these towers with wires that you could monitor how much electricity is going back and forth, that's how they charge you.
Instead of that, he was just gonna make everything for free.
greg proops
Well, that's why he was shut down so hard.
joe rogan
Of course, but yeah, that's his tower of power.
I don't know what they actually called it, but that's what it says.
That's not really what it's called.
unidentified
But look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Warden Clife Tower.
That's what it was.
That was his idea.
I mean, how weird was that?
unidentified
He was a genius.
joe rogan
Is that good for you, though?
Did they know about cancer and shit back then?
greg proops
What about all the cell phone towers that are everywhere that look like palm trees and shit?
Those aren't good for you either.
joe rogan
Can't be.
Well, I think those are not that bad, though, because I think those are just receivers.
greg proops
Oh, are they?
joe rogan
Is that what that is?
No, they must not be receivers.
greg proops
What about all the phones we used in the 90s that were this big, and when you held them up for half an hour, your teeth started to ache?
Surely those weren't good for us.
joe rogan
Well, he wasn't a biology major.
You know, Tesla was a guy who was interested in electrics, electronics, and thinking things through and figuring out machines, but biologically, he was pretty fucked up.
He was in love with a pigeon.
greg proops
Was he really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
I didn't know anything about his personal life.
joe rogan
He was in love with a pigeon.
Yeah.
He had a love affair.
He would talk about this pigeon like it was a woman that he loved.
And he also had some sort of a strange relationship with a woman.
Again, I should preface this by saying, I got this from a documentary.
It could be totally bullshit.
And I haven't seen anything about it since.
But that he wrote something about destroying, in quotes, his sexuality.
Like he had been in some sort of an affair with some woman and it was so distracting and crazy that he might have decided to get castrated.
greg proops
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I remember the term destroying his sexuality.
I don't remember what the fuck the...
greg proops
Now I'm going to have to read about Tesla.
joe rogan
Yeah, me too.
God damn it.
greg proops
All I know is that, you know, him and Edison fought tooth and nail, and Edison beat his ass, basically, over at Westinghouse, as you say.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he also benefited greatly from knowing Tesla.
greg proops
Didn't he want alternating current?
He's the reason why we have alternating current.
joe rogan
He wanted direct current.
Tesla wanted alternating current.
greg proops
Right, and Edison had the bright idea that direct current was going to be better.
joe rogan
Well, you remember he used that fucking elephant.
They electrocuted that elephant to prove a point.
Edison was such a douchebag.
He killed an elephant on film just so that everybody would think that alternating current was dangerous.
How about you just don't electrocute anybody with anything?
Direct current, alternating current.
They cooked the shit out of that elephant.
They did it in like a big public place, too, which is just not that long ago, man.
greg proops
Oh, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Think about that.
They cooked an elephant on TV in front of everybody for no reason other than to show that their competitor's method of delivering electricity was inferior.
Is this the video?
Oh, this is fucked up to watch, man.
I have a thing about elephants, man.
Elephants, they seem to be really smart, man.
unidentified
Not top.
greg proops
See, they are.
They're really sensitive.
joe rogan
Yeah, they seem to be really smart.
greg proops
And they do have memories.
joe rogan
And they trust us.
And then, you know, you take this elephant and you lead it.
greg proops
That's awful.
joe rogan
I mean, it's one thing if you got an elephant that's storming through villages and stomping the shit out of people and killing them, but then you gotta wonder what the fuck makes that elephant so mad?
So here they hit it with the electricity.
This is so fucked up, man.
They cooked the shit out of this elephant.
It's standing there and they're just pumping it through him.
He wants to get free too.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's really hardcore when you see it come on, like here it is right there.
Bam!
You can see it.
He starts smoking.
greg proops
Oh golly, that's terrible.
joe rogan
It's so fucked up.
unidentified
Execution style.
joe rogan
And he just falls over completely dead and stiff.
It's so nuts.
unidentified
Eek.
joe rogan
But that was such a new thing.
6,600 volts.
unidentified
What year is that?
joe rogan
Does it say?
No.
1903?
unidentified
1903. Whoa, 1903. 12 years ago.
Wow.
greg proops
Not that long.
joe rogan
12 years is nothing.
That's nothing.
I wonder what they did with the elephant.
I don't know if they ate it and cooked it.
You know what I mean?
brian redban
It's at Coney Island.
They probably just sliced it open and had burgers.
joe rogan
I don't think they did anything with it.
I bet they buried it somewhere.
I bet they wouldn't even think about eating an elephant.
Which is kind of fucked up.
This is the only saving grace to those people that hunt those elephants in other countries, is the villagers, who most of them have no meat at all.
They get to eat that elephant meat.
That's it.
Other than that, you kill an elephant.
An elephant seemed to be...
They don't just seem to be smart.
They seem to be like these intense social creatures.
greg proops
They pair up.
joe rogan
They recognize each other after they haven't seen each other in decades.
There's this crazy video of this.
I think it's a mother and a son or something like that.
And they hadn't seen each other in forever.
And the two elephants see each other and they run to each other.
They hadn't seen each other in decades.
And they immediately recognized each other.
greg proops
They have extraordinary memories.
And they can smell water.
That's why when they roam far and wide during the drought season or whatever, they can smell it and they can dig underneath.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's insane.
greg proops
They're highly creative.
joe rogan
And what are those horns?
The tusks are for fighting, right?
They crash into each other and duke it out with those tusks.
They keep them for life, which is unusual, too.
And they don't ever lose them.
greg proops
They don't shed them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which would save a lot of fucking death.
unidentified
No kidding.
greg proops
If only elephants shed their tusks.
joe rogan
If they did, people would want them every year.
They would want to keep them alive because an elephant alive would be worth way more.
And you just get the sheds.
You don't have to saw it off.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You just let them fall off.
And you could have, like, when they have deer sheds, like if you go to a forest any time, like near the spring, when deer start losing their antlers, you just find them and pick them up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody got hurt, and you can take them and people use them, they make jewelry with them and shit, and they do all kinds of different things with them, but it's this hard, bony fucking thing that grows in a year.
So if you see a moose, and they have this enormous fucking paddle, these paddles on the side of their head, I mean, they're huge!
They grew that this year, and they're gonna grow a new one next year.
greg proops
Really?
Every year they grow in that thing?
joe rogan
Yep.
greg proops
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
That I didn't know.
unidentified
Enormous.
joe rogan
Like the size of a door.
greg proops
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like that door to this room.
It's not preposterous.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
The spread of it.
greg proops
No, no.
joe rogan
They're huge animals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they grow that entire thing over the course of like a month or so.
greg proops
Wow.
joe rogan
It just grows out of their fucking head.
And the next year it'll be bigger.
And next year it'll be big.
Like this moose right here, this is a moose.
It has small antlers.
This is like a young moose.
It's only like a few years old.
And when they get like six and seven, they get bigger and bigger and bigger.
Because as they get older and they get larger and more dominant because they continue to eat, their horns actually get, their antlers actually get bigger.
unidentified
So they can show, bitch, I've been around for a long fucking time!
joe rogan
And they come out...
You know with this huge like that's the thing that scares off the other males like look at this motherfucker.
Yeah, yeah Yeah, and that bizarre Wow, yeah, so if elephants were like that man, they would be so valuable You know it'd be so endangered if moose like if moose antlers were valuable the way elephant tusks were moose would probably be mostly wiped off the face of the earth But instead they're valued as like a renewable resource because it's more valuable to keep the moose alive so that they have more moose and eat them then just Kill them all and cut off their fucking antlers.
It's sad as shit, man, seeing that rhino that just went extinct?
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
Essentially extinct.
I mean, there's one male left and two females, and the male won't breed, and the female is too, apparently she's, the one female is, she's too weak to accept him on top of her.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
Because you've got to think, rhinos are enormous, so he's got to get on top of her to fuck her, and they're basically saying, this is it.
You're looking at the last three of these rhino species.
unidentified
Good night.
joe rogan
And I think his horn is actually cut off so that it's not valuable.
greg proops
Right.
joe rogan
I think there's an image of that.
See, there's an image like the last remaining rhino.
greg proops
Right.
They cut their horns off to keep people from poaching them.
joe rogan
To keep people from poaching them.
unidentified
For their fucking horns!
greg proops
It's what, China is it that wants the rhino horns?
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't know about Viagra over there.
They're still looking for tiger dick and rhino horn.
Dude, it's called Cialis.
You go to the store, you buy it.
greg proops
It's expensive, though.
joe rogan
So what?
They make it over there.
It's cheaper.
Look at him.
His horns hacked off.
That's crazy.
Both of his horns are hacked off.
Unless they just wore him off.
Is that possible?
greg proops
It is, but I think they probably cut him off because he's in a preserve.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg proops
The O Pezita Conservancy in Kenya.
joe rogan
What a crazy animal that thing is, though.
You think about all the variation that nature has to offer.
The difference between a ground squirrel, an eagle, and a rhino.
Look at that thing.
greg proops
There's a famous one they brought to Europe in the 1400s, and Ger did an etching of it, and it's inaccurate because he'd only heard about it.
But it was a very famous painting, and it was a very famous rhino, and they turned it all around Europe, and then it finally croaked.
But everybody had to see it because no one had ever seen one before.
Wow.
I can't remember the name of it.
I don't know.
You'd have to look up medieval rhino or juror's rhino.
joe rogan
They found rhinos in the Congo.
They found rhinos in the actual jungle.
And they had only been like a legend.
Because they're more planes out.
greg proops
I was going to say, I thought they lived on the Veldt or whatever.
joe rogan
But what happened was the climate shifted around the Congo so rapidly that planes became tropical rainforests.
All around them.
Wow, that's a sketch?
greg proops
Yeah, that's a drawing by Durer.
What year is that drawing, Jamie?
joe rogan
Wow.
greg proops
1514?
And that elephant he was told about.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
greg proops
And it toured Europe.
It was a famous elephant.
I mean, rhino, sorry.
joe rogan
So he was only told about that.
greg proops
Yeah, so you can see how it's not anatomically accurate.
He's kind of thrown in like...
The feet and the way the scales work and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely a little different, but damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pretty fucking good.
greg proops
This was like a sensation in the early 1500s in Europe.
People were like losing their shit over.
joe rogan
What's the other one?
The yellower one up top, Jamie?
unidentified
This one?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that one?
Is that the original version of it?
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I love that shit.
I love looking at like the original version of a drawing like that.
That's just amazing.
greg proops
And those are his...
See, again, we're talking about...
joe rogan
His scribbles.
greg proops
Right, the artist's touch.
His notes all through the bottom.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
His handwriting.
And people had elegant handwriting back then, too.
greg proops
Look how much writing he's getting in at the bottom of that page.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg proops
And I don't know what...
I'm assuming he was writing in German in the 1500s.
I don't know if it's in Latin.
joe rogan
Look at how he writes the name Rhinoceros.
Rhinoceron.
greg proops
Right, that's Latin.
brian redban
Sounds like a Transformer.
greg proops
Like there's one of them, yeah.
That sounds like a Transformer.
Rhinoceron.
joe rogan
Rhinoceron.
unidentified
Autobots.
joe rogan
Well, this area of the Congo where they filmed these rhinos, they had heard about it from the locals, and they were like, what the fuck are they babbling about?
Rhinos don't live in the jungle.
And then they finally found them, and it took a while before they realized that the climate had shifted, and these plains animals were just stuck, because almost immediately, this...
Rainforest just grew around them over the course of like, you know, a few thousand years or a few hundred years even.
I don't think it was very long.
I think it was actually 2,000 years and these animals got stuck there and some of them adapted.
One of the really curious adaptations was this animal called a diker.
It's like this little tiny antelope that can now swim underwater up to a hundred yards.
It goes underwater.
greg proops
They never had to do that before.
They used to just run around.
joe rogan
They would run.
greg proops
Yeah.
joe rogan
So now this motherfucker can swim.
greg proops
So animals can adapt over time like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they eat fish.
greg proops
Right.
And what do the rhinos do?
They're jungle rhinos.
joe rogan
They're jungle rhinos.
greg proops
So you're saying an antelope-type animal eats fish?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
greg proops
Well, that's learned behavior, right?
joe rogan
Well, most likely.
But you know what they've been finding out lately is that deer eat birds.
greg proops
Do they?
joe rogan
We didn't know about it.
Look at that.
That's a frog.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Whoa.
What's it eating?
A frog?
unidentified
A frog.
joe rogan
There's a diker eating a frog, little monster.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I know you think of a deer.
greg proops
You think of an antelope.
They're not carnivores.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely don't think it's going to go eat a frog.
You've got to catch a frog.
You know?
I mean, frogs don't just let you grab them.
greg proops
I know.
joe rogan
You've got to go after that little frog.
So that thing there's um these videos we watched on one of the last podcasts of Deer eating birds and people didn't know that they didn't know so you just now told me know until like this year like this is like these to think that like You know these were these birds that would die the ground nesting Birds or birds that fall out of trees that they would get eaten by like coyotes and stuff see all those birds coming after the deer and It's because the deer is eating a bird.
And you can see it like really clearly as they get close to it.
The people who were filming this were trying to figure out what the fuck was going on.
And then as time went on, they realized this deer is following this bird around trying to bite it.
See?
See the bird on the ground?
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Yeah.
And so, it's following it.
See, it's chasing it, and then finally when it gets it, it bites it and starts fucking up this bird, and it's chewing it alive, and it's crazy to watch, man.
I mean, it's not just accidentally stumbling upon this group.
It's going after it.
It keeps stepping, keeps stepping, and finally it gets a hold of the bird and just starts fucking that bird up and eating it.
And apparently, look, see it?
Apparently that's what they do.
They eat birds.
And we have made them these benign, grass-eating, gentle creatures.
No, they eat birds alive!
And while the bird is squirming and trying to get away, they give zero fucks.
They have a cold-hearted bird-eating demeanor about them.
greg proops
Wow, who knew that about deers?
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
There's some really close-up...
greg proops
Oh, God.
joe rogan
There's some close-up ones.
There's a bird-eating duck.
greg proops
I've got to eat duck later.
unidentified
Let's not...
greg proops
Birds are rude as fuck.
joe rogan
We can stop anytime you want, sir.
greg proops
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Let's wrap this bitch up now.
You want to wrap it up?
greg proops
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
Is there anything you need to talk about other than the book that's fucking amazing and I have a copy of it?
Did you sign it, please?
greg proops
I'm gunnery.
Right here.
I'll sign it right now.
joe rogan
What's Kittens?
What is this?
This must be for Brian.
greg proops
Brian can have it if he wants.
It's my mascot, Kittens McTavish.
joe rogan
You have a mascot?
greg proops
Well, kind of.
It's just sort of organically evolved over the show.
joe rogan
Alright, I'll keep it.
It'll be my bookmark.
Is it a sticker?
greg proops
It is a sticker.
joe rogan
I would put it on my laptop, but a lot of times I have to go to the airport and I don't want any gay rumors.
You know what I'm saying?
greg proops
Wow, I'm glad that you presume that a kitten makes you gay.
It's not a giant orange cock.
joe rogan
But if I was, it'd be less gay.
Put it right there, man.
Let me think.
greg proops
That's awesome.
See, he likes it, Brian.
joe rogan
Look at his fucking laptop.
It's covered with pictures of himself.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He's got cats on there and shit.
All sorts of stuff.
brian redban
You're on there.
joe rogan
I'm on there, too.
greg proops
That's nice.
I have stickers all over my stuff, too.
joe rogan
I need more stickers.
greg proops
Will you let me sign it to you, Jeff?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
And where can people buy this, Greg Proops?
greg proops
Thank you for asking, Mr. Joe Rogan.
They can go on gregproops.com.
joe rogan
Shazam, bitches!
greg proops
Boom!
Or you can go to smartestbookintheworld.com.
unidentified
Booyah!
greg proops
And you can pre-order it.
It comes out on May 5th, but you can pre-order it now if you wish.
joe rogan
And Greg Proops, you can see his live podcast.
You can actually be in the audience for some of those fuckers, right?
How do people get to that?
greg proops
You are so right.
They can go on gregproops.com.
I'm going to be in...
See, I put a heart in it, too, so the gay rumors will keep swirling.
joe rogan
I like them.
greg proops
Yeah.
I'm going to be in Brooklyn on the 7th, I think?
May 7th.
If you go on GregBruce.com or the live events on the book thing, I'm doing a bunch of podcasts across the country.
New York, Chicago, Philly, Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and book events as well in all those places.
joe rogan
Boom!
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
Dude, you're awesome.
Thanks.
It's always fun.
greg proops
Thanks for having me on, Joe.
Please, my pleasure.
joe rogan
What a gas, baby.
greg proops
Stone gas.
joe rogan
These shirts were made by...
These are the astronaut shirts, if you guys know what happened.
There was an astronaut that got in trouble for wearing these sexy lady shirts.
greg proops
Oh, you've got the hunky, hung men of the night one.
joe rogan
Yeah, we tried to balance it out, so she sent us a gay one.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
Or a female one that women can wear.
I guess it would be more female than gay, right?
It doesn't have to be gay.
greg proops
If a woman wore that I would be questioning her taste a little bit.
joe rogan
Would you, for real?
greg proops
Well, I'm questioning Brian's right now, but I understand he's just trying to get in the spirit of the thing.
joe rogan
He's just being a silly goose.
brian redban
Something's trapped.
joe rogan
The scientist got in trouble.
It was actually his friend Ellie that made these shirts, and she sent them to us, so thank you, Ellie.
greg proops
Well, they're lovely.
joe rogan
Thank you, scientist dude out there.
Thanks, America.
greg proops
That's it.
joe rogan
Thanks to the world, okay?
I'm not a fucking xenophobic.
I like everybody out there.
See you soon.
All right.
unidentified
Bye.
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