Feb. 15, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Don't look. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're live. | ||
| We're live right now. | ||
| If you've never listened to one of these things before, this is not a regular podcast. | ||
| Don't expect some deep insight to the nature of the universe or even rational conversations because there's alcohol involved. | ||
| There might be some weed. | ||
| I smell some weed. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There might have been weed in this room. | ||
| And there's a bunch of fucking savages. | ||
| To my left, Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Eddie, the motherfucking twister, Bravo. | ||
| One of the baddest dudes on the planet Earth. | ||
| Thank you, thank you. | ||
| One of my favorite human beings that's ever existed. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| To his left, Justin Milos, trainer extraordinaire, all throughout the lands. | ||
| You can find him online at the, what is it? | ||
| JamPersonalTraining.com. | ||
| Handsome bastard. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Beautiful features. | ||
| Very polite. | ||
| Well read. | ||
| Killer B is in the fucking house. | ||
| Ben Saunders. | ||
| UFC welterweight prospect, bitches. | ||
| Respect. | ||
| Fighting Eric Silva in March in Brazil. | ||
| Going deep into the lion's den. | ||
| Caveman Coffee. | ||
| All up in this bitch with the Caveman Coffee. | ||
| To his left, the motherfucking CEO of Caveman Coffee. | ||
| The great Tate Fletcher. | ||
| Tate the animal Fletcher. | ||
| Tate the savage Fletcher. | ||
| Fill in the blank with the nicknames. | ||
| Again, one of the baddest motherfuckers. | ||
| Are you the Dana White of Caveman Coffee or are you Lorenzo? | ||
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I'm more of one of the Fratillas, yeah. | |
| Maybe Dana also. | ||
| I do all that shit. | ||
| You know how we do it? | ||
| I do it all. | ||
| Lorenzo's kind of being Dana a little bit now. | ||
| He's coming out in the forefront. | ||
| Do you think he wants to push him out? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| I think he's looking at you and going, you know what? | ||
| I want to do what Tate can do. | ||
| He's doing both. | ||
| Listen, go ahead and call me Mr. Fratilla. | ||
| I'd be happy to help. | ||
| Tate is always hustling. | ||
| Caveman Coffee comes in. | ||
| Yeah, we got a micro brew. | ||
| He hands me his fucking beer. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you're making beer? | ||
| This is outrageous. | ||
| Man's got to work in this day and age. | ||
| Tate is always moving. | ||
| Always moving. | ||
| There's no stillness with Tate Fletcher. | ||
| You will find no dust. | ||
| Tate is left. | ||
| You will find no dust. | ||
| Brendan motherfucking Shaw. | ||
| Possibly the funniest UFC fighter that's ever lived. | ||
| You might be. | ||
| Funnier than Jail Sonnen? | ||
| Yeah, he's made me laugh harder. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Don't put me in a sauna and make me fuck my way out is one of the great all-time one-liners that's ever been. | ||
| That's a huge compliment. | ||
| Funnier than Chael is huge. | ||
| Yeah, he's funnier. | ||
| Chael is one of the greatest trash talkers ever. | ||
| Funnier than Rampage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you know how huge that is? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's close. | ||
| Most of the time when Quentin's funny, though, he's not on purpose funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's also, Quentin is more irritable. | ||
| Like, Schaub's got a smoother personality. | ||
| Quentin gets mad at people. | ||
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Yeah, I'm not going to freak out. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You won't be angry. | ||
| Quentin, you know. | ||
| Quentin's always thinking everybody's ganging up on him. | ||
| We're about to watch the fights right now. | ||
| It's, uh, how do you say this gentleman's name? | ||
| The first fight is, we gotta sync this up so you guys know. | ||
| We're watching the fights and doing commentary, sort of. | ||
| I mean, we're not really doing commentary, but we're watching the fights and doing a podcast at the same time. | ||
| That's the idea behind these. | ||
| So if you're tuning into it, if you're listening to it, you might want to just fucking ditch this one and go back to one with Tate Fletcher might drop some science up in this bitch. | ||
| But right now, it's Ray Borg is about to fight this gentleman. | ||
| I don't know how to say his name. | ||
| Give us some volume there, young Jamie. | ||
| Chris Calades? | ||
| Is that the dude's name? | ||
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Good move. | |
| There we go. | ||
| Pow, pow, pow. | ||
| Alright, I'm taking the headphones off, so if shit gets out of control, you've been warned. | ||
| You should talk to her about that. | ||
| Fight's starting right now. | ||
| Don't do that shit, please. | ||
| It's 4 minutes 58 seconds if you want to sync up. | ||
| 4 minutes 58 seconds of the first round was on the clock when I said that. | ||
| Mario Yamasaki might be fucking mad at her, right? | ||
| For doing that shit? | ||
| Taking his shit? | ||
| You can't take Mario's heart. | ||
| You can't do that shit. | ||
| Who did the heart? | ||
| Did she do it? | ||
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Yeah, she just did. | |
| Oh, but no, that's been around. | ||
| It ain't his. | ||
| Yeah, but he popularized it. | ||
| Does he own it for the UFC? Yeah, he does. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
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He's got to talk to that shit. | |
| Hasn't that been around forever? | ||
| Yeah, but you can't do that in the UFC. If you throw that shit on your car, that means you're gay. | ||
| The rainbow. | ||
| Right, but that's different. | ||
| No, but it's a UFC thing. | ||
| The camera's on you. | ||
| You got your thing. | ||
| You know, like the chick referee. | ||
| What's her name with the blonde hair? | ||
| She goes like this. | ||
| She goes like Nose Lane. | ||
| She goes like Nose Lane. | ||
| Nose, yeah. | ||
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Can't do that. | |
| That's rude. | ||
| But that's boxing. | ||
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She could be the Mills Lane of MMA. But if you're an octagon girl, you gotta do something, right? | |
| You just can't wave. | ||
| You gotta do something. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Herb Dean, he just goes, whatever. | ||
| He's like, he doesn't want to. | ||
| Everyone's like, because that's their moment. | ||
| The referee, that's their moment where they're in the spotlight right there. | ||
| Are you going to do something? | ||
| Mario Yamasaki said, fuck it. | ||
| I'm going to spread love. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| That's my second. | ||
| That guy can do whatever I want. | ||
| Bruce Buffer does fucking wheel kicks and shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Why not throw a little hand side? | ||
| There's never been a guy like Bruce Buffer that you could talk into doing a 360. Pretty agile. | ||
| He did a 360. He used to do the 180, does the 180 still, but for Brock Lesnar he did a fucking 360. It was the greatest thing ever. | ||
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Was that when he blew his knee out? | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| He blew his knee out jumping. | ||
| He was jumping. | ||
| Bro, I've seen him in the gym with cables doing the Bruce Buffer 360. No. | ||
| Resistance training. | ||
| And telling you why he's doing it, too. | ||
| That's fucking hysterical. | ||
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As I walk into the gym, I hear the hybrid in front of everyone. | |
| I'm like, bro, for sure, relax, man. | ||
| He's doing resistant band Bruce Buffer terms. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| I bet if he took a little capoeira, that would help as well. | ||
| Because he's kind of doing capoeira. | ||
| So meanwhile, not to be disrespectful to these gentlemen that are engaging in Mortal Kombat right now. | ||
| Homeboy on top was a minus 1,000. | ||
| When's the last time you saw a minus 1,000? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| That means he's a heavy favorite to win the fight. | ||
| Heavy, heavy favorite. | ||
| 1,000 is like 10 to 1, right? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Who made these odds? | ||
| Sean Shelby? | ||
| I don't know who makes it. | ||
| Oh, he wouldn't know, right? | ||
| But sometimes they're way off, dude. | ||
| Fighting's tough to bet on, man. | ||
| I've hooked Aubrey up a bunch of times where I was like, that line is crazy. | ||
| Like, you got a guy coming in from somewhere else, and people might not know, and the Vegas guys might not have never seen him fight before, and you're like, get the fuck out of here with this line. | ||
| This line's ridiculous. | ||
| You gotta wonder who's making those. | ||
| They're not too educated. | ||
| Especially on the undercard stuff. | ||
| There's been some ones in the past. | ||
| Oh, like, when Wonderboy Thompson was fighting. | ||
| No, it wasn't Wonderboy. | ||
| It was another really good striker. | ||
| I'll remember as the podcast goes on. | ||
| I mentioned Sean Shelby not because he's an idiot. | ||
| I only said that because he's the only one who would know. | ||
| If it's a thousand, if it's a minus a thousand. | ||
| I don't know these guys. | ||
| I would just say it's even. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you really know, like, only a guy like Sean Shelby who studies these guys would go, dude, that guy's terrible, and this other guy's a writer. | ||
| He's killing everybody. | ||
| You know who knows everybody? | ||
| Everybody in all the records? | ||
| Joe Silva. | ||
| Joe Silva. | ||
| No one knows more about MMA than Joe Silva. | ||
| He's a library, for sure. | ||
| No one knows more about, like, he might not know as much about execution, like how to execute things or where things are going. | ||
| Why is that funny? | ||
| As far as how many, like, guys who know fighters and know who's fighting and winning, Joe Silva knows more than anybody. | ||
| No one will make your heart drop more than when you, on your cell phone, you get a call from Joe Silva. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| When it's Joe Silva, because you know, he's only calling about matchups. | ||
| He's not calling for anything else. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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He's not calling to be your buddy. | |
| So you see Joe Silva on the cell phone, you're like, oh, shit, son. | ||
| He's a smart dude, man. | ||
| These are hard to start the race when you see Joe Silva. | ||
| I've been trying to get Joe Silva on the podcast for a while, and I told him, I go, look, dude, how about we just don't talk about MMA? We won't even talk about MMA. He's a really smart dude, but he's in a position as a matchmaker. | ||
| He has to be very careful. | ||
| I can't get him high and have him talking crazy shit. | ||
| People don't know where he lives, right? | ||
| They don't know where he lives and shit. | ||
| I don't know if they want it publicly said, so I won't say it, but I like that guy. | ||
| I like Joe Silva a lot. | ||
| He's smart as fuck, dude. | ||
| He gave me a Sam Harris book way back in the day. | ||
| I'm friends with Sam Harris. | ||
| I found out about him through Joe. | ||
| Joe gave me a book, Letters to a Christian Nation. | ||
| Great book. | ||
| Wouldn't he like to come on with a guy like that just so he could talk to a guy that he admires? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Oh yeah! | ||
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Oh look! | |
| That triangle! | ||
| Oh that's locked up! | ||
| Right there! | ||
| There you go! | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| You did that too late, kid! | ||
| Yeah, he did that too late! | ||
| He's fine! | ||
| The guy let go a little bit! | ||
| It's over! | ||
| He's the guy let go of the squeeze a little bit! | ||
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Oh! | |
| That was deep! | ||
| You know what impressed me more than that? | ||
| Damn! | ||
| You know what impressed me more than that? | ||
| Leo Vieira and you in Brazil. | ||
| When he locked that one up on you... | ||
| Why you gotta bring up bullshit? | ||
| Because your defense is impeccable. | ||
| No, no, he almost... | ||
| I didn't know what I was doing on the defense when I held my arm or something like this. | ||
| You did, whatever it was. | ||
| Whatever it was, I didn't know what I was doing, and I was about to tap. | ||
| He gave me too much... | ||
| My face is purple. | ||
| It's one of those old TV footage. | ||
| It looks like an old Muhammad Ali type, just old... | ||
| But you can see my face is purple. | ||
| Were you about to go out? | ||
| I was about to go out. | ||
| And then, I didn't want to show any weakness, so I stood up really quick, thinking like I was going to shoot. | ||
| But meanwhile, I'm drunk as fuck, but I'm so scared that he's going to see that, that you just pretend like nothing's wrong. | ||
| I was taking shots and shit. | ||
| I've never taken a shot in my life. | ||
| I've never taken a shot in my life, but that's how purple my head was. | ||
| Ronda Rousey, Kat Zingano. | ||
| You know what they call it? | ||
| You know what guys are calling? | ||
| I think it's MMA Junkie Radio, I think, coined it. | ||
| They've been calling it Lilith Fair. | ||
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Because it's the woman main event and the woman co-main. | |
| Really, it is? | ||
| Who's the co-main event? | ||
| Holly Holm. | ||
| Have you ever seen her fight? | ||
| Raquel Pennington. | ||
| Raquel Pennington, the chick who put that girl asleep. | ||
| Oh, damn, that's a good fight. | ||
| I want to see that. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| Even though Weidman and Belfort, was that the matchup that was canceled? | ||
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Correct. | |
| Even though that would have been a great fucking match. | ||
| Any match that Weidman and any match that beat their belt for it is great. | ||
| But seriously, I love watching Ronda because you know a million percent she's going to come after. | ||
| I think she gets hypnotized. | ||
| I think she's the only one that's listening to Mike Tyson. | ||
| Mike Tyson told everybody, everybody on Howard Stern, he told everybody. | ||
| He said, Kostamata was really into hypnotizing me. | ||
| Before every one of those big fights in the beginning, I was hypnotized. | ||
| He brought in a real hypnotist. | ||
| He said Customato was actually an amateur hypnotist himself. | ||
| But he brought in a real legit guy before every fight to hypnotize him. | ||
| Shit, I need a hypnotist then. | ||
| And he stopped getting hypnotized after Customato died. | ||
| I need someone to hypnotize me. | ||
| How come no one's going, shit? | ||
| How come everyone's getting a strength conditioning coach? | ||
| They're going to need a jiu-jitsu coach, a wrestling coach, a striking coach, and a hypnotist. | ||
| Who's your hypnotist? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's going to get to that point eventually when people realize... | ||
| You think? | ||
| Or is Mike Tyson batshit crazy? | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| He was hypnotized in the locker room, a professional hypnotist, before he went out there. | ||
| Killer B, are you trying to get hypnotized in the next fight, or what? | ||
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I don't know, man. | |
| Doesn't it make sense? | ||
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You have to accept it. | |
| If you're resistant at all, are you going to be... | ||
| Joe Schilling, right? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Joe Schilling got a hypnotist now. | ||
| Vinny Shorman. | ||
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He's a beast. | |
| Vinny Shorman, who is it? | ||
| Joe Schilling's a bad motherfucker. | ||
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Such a beast. | |
| Did you see that spinning backfist right hand he dropped that dude with in glory? | ||
| Matrix style, son. | ||
| Oh, good lord. | ||
| Just set him up for the right, too. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| Relaxed. | ||
| Cracks him with the backfist. | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Drops the right hand on him. | ||
| Come on, we went the time before in glory, like a few fights ago. | ||
| There's the tournament, right? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You watch those guys. | ||
| They're knocked out four, five times. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Legit knockouts. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That they keep fighting all through the finals. | ||
| Yeah, they keep going. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| Dude, if you know anything about kickboxing, listen to this lineup he fought in one fucking night. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He fights Simon Marcus, who was 39-0, okay? | ||
| Who had already knocked him out in the past. | ||
| They go three fucking rounds to a dead heat, so they go to a fourth round. | ||
| This is the first fight. | ||
| He's gotta fight three times in a night. | ||
| Three murders. | ||
| Knocks Simon Marcus out with a right hand. | ||
| Puts him to sleep. | ||
| Face plants. | ||
| It's fucking chaos. | ||
| Then, he fights Wayne Barrett, a dude who also had beat him before. | ||
| Beats him by decision. | ||
| Barrett's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Then, he goes into the main event and fights Artem Levin, who's... | ||
| If Schilling's not the best, Levin's the best. | ||
| It's like those two, because Schilling had already beat Levin. | ||
| You know, he dropped him and hit him with a knee on the way down. | ||
| It was a devastating fight for Levin. | ||
| But Schilling and Levin, they're like, fucking right there, man. | ||
| I mean, Levin's a beast. | ||
| We have to fight Levin in the fucking finals. | ||
| I mean, that's insane. | ||
| He fights four fucking rounds with Simon Marcus. | ||
| How brutal is kickboxing? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Three times in a night is insane. | ||
| Someone could easily die from something like that. | ||
| Spike TV's gotta stop that. | ||
| So we're talking about hypnotism. | ||
| Joe Schilling is getting hypnotized. | ||
| Yes, he's doing that now. | ||
| This guy Vinny Sharman. | ||
| How come everyone isn't getting hypnotized? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Maybe all that shit you hear about... | ||
| You have heard Randy Couture talk about the importance of having a sports psychologist. | ||
| Maybe that's just a nice way of saying... | ||
| Maybe Randy Couture was hypnotized. | ||
| Because when he came out, didn't he seem like he had zero fear? | ||
| Randy Couture came out and never showed an ounce of fear. | ||
| Mike Tyson came out and never showed an ounce of fear. | ||
| He came from the ghetto. | ||
| Randy Couture came from white people's neighborhoods. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| So they both came out with zero fear, but Randy Couture had that Captain America attitude. | ||
| And Mike Tyson had that attitude like, I'm going to fucking eat the children. | ||
| Randy said the reason he wasn't nervous was because he accepted losing. | ||
| He was like, I don't care. | ||
| If I lose, I lose. | ||
| They make different white people in Oregon, man. | ||
| They make different white people. | ||
| Darce! | ||
| Eddie, what's wrong? | ||
| What's doing wrong here? | ||
| I don't know how deep his right hand is. | ||
| Do you like to go clockwise? | ||
| Where do you go? | ||
| I don't know how deep his right arm is. | ||
| Do you like to sit out your hip? | ||
| How do you like to do this? | ||
| There's so many different ways to close this off. | ||
| How do you like to do it? | ||
| Hook that top leg with your right leg. | ||
| The top leg? | ||
| The left leg? | ||
| The top leg. | ||
| And switch it to a Japanese necktie. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Love the Japanese necktie, right? | ||
| He wasn't deep enough. | ||
| The Japanese necktie, to me, seems stronger than the darts. | ||
| Some guys are very, very hard to choke out. | ||
| They have, like, large carotid arteries or whatever it is. | ||
| Maybe more muscle around them. | ||
| Some guys are just harder to choke. | ||
| And then... | ||
| You could have a guy in a darts. | ||
| I've had guys in darts. | ||
| It's full-blown. | ||
| My arms are just so burnt. | ||
| I couldn't squeeze. | ||
| I know I'm not going to be able to tap them. | ||
| I'm just holding them there, thinking about my next move. | ||
| And I'm just sitting there going, I have zero energy to squeeze this dude. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I've got to go after an arm bar or a calf crank. | ||
| Oh, look at this guillotine. | ||
| Oh, mounted. | ||
| That is the shit. | ||
| When you get a mounted, when you get a guillotine, then rolls into a mounted guillotine, that feeling of getting that guillotine on in the mount is just so, it's like, no, bitch. | ||
| It's so substantial, you know? | ||
| I got LeVar Johnson, who tested positive for PDs. | ||
| I got him in a Darce, and Darce is my shit. | ||
| I know when I had it. | ||
| I had it locked up, and I was like, oh, this one's over, and he's going, laughing, laughing as it's on, and punching me in the face. | ||
| Just so much fucking muscle, just did not, did not, no fucks given. | ||
| And then he pissed hot for that fight. | ||
| Oh yeah, and got cut, right after. | ||
| Who's this guy? | ||
| LeVar Johnson. | ||
| LeVar Johnson is not the most skillful guy, but let me tell you something. | ||
| He hits as hard as any human being I've ever seen hit someone in the heavyweight division. | ||
| He hits so fucking hard. | ||
| When he hit Pat Berry, I was like, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| And Pat Berry, that was the first guy. | ||
| Well, Chet Congo was the first guy to KO him. | ||
| KO'd Pat Barry. | ||
| But the LeVar Johnson fight was a little more shocking to me. | ||
| Because I was like, man, I thought that Barry would be able to out-technique this dude. | ||
| I thought there would be a lot of, like, that heavy right leg kick that he throws. | ||
| And, you know, Pat Barry was, you know, like the Shane Del Rosario fight. | ||
| He had good success against really high-level kickboxers. | ||
| So I was like, this is going to be a... | ||
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But LeVar hits so fucking hard. | |
| Uppercut. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| He's got some life-changing punching power. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| He's got that life-changing punching power. | ||
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Yeah, just fucking such a meathead. | |
| What's that? | ||
| Who's such a meathead? | ||
| LeVar? | ||
| I said who hits harder. | ||
| LeVar, especially Rich Carwin is, dude. | ||
| He said who hits harder. | ||
| You're going to get a hypnotist? | ||
| I might have to, man. | ||
| Maybe, right? | ||
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Right? | |
| How come more people aren't on this shit? | ||
| Mike Tyson is telling you he's the only guy in the history of fighting who went out there and scared the living bejesus out of his opponents. | ||
| No fighter in history had a lineup of opponents that were visibly terrified in the ring. | ||
| Terrified, all of them. | ||
| I think Rondo's doing the same right now. | ||
| They're not terrified. | ||
| Those girls are scared, man. | ||
| I don't think they're scared. | ||
| Dude, Trevor Burbank, do you remember that? | ||
| I already know what you walk out to with the Katy Perry song. | ||
| This Ray Borg is a good fucking grappler, man. | ||
| This is impressive shit. | ||
| Ray Borg's a beast. | ||
| Dude, he's going one sub to the next sub to the next sub. | ||
| Yeah, he's a beast, man. | ||
| He's a fucking beast. | ||
| And he's not tired. | ||
| Like, he's attacking aggressively and he doesn't get tired. | ||
| Well, the guy he's with, man, the guy he's fighting, Kalades, he's tough as shit, man. | ||
| Because that guy's withstood an assault. | ||
| I'm impressed. | ||
| I mean, look, that odds, right? | ||
| Now we know. | ||
| That's why it's 1,000 plus 1,000. | ||
| But if you're a minus 1,000, you're supposed to go in there and you're supposed to be a one-rounder. | ||
| That's usually how the odds are, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| But isn't a Mighty Mouse fight like a minus 1,000? | ||
| Sometimes he doesn't finish, guys. | ||
| Yeah, but he's also, I mean, what is he, a 125-er? | ||
| Yeah, but he knocked out Benavidez with one punch. | ||
| You know who's the craziest puncher? | ||
| It's that fucking Lineker kid. | ||
| I really wish he could make 125. They said he can't fight at 125 anymore. | ||
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They said he has to fight at 135. Yeah, yeah, he let it go. | |
| So we're talking about technique now. | ||
| He's going for the D-path. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Ray Borg. | ||
| Look how strong Ray Borg's grappling is. | ||
| Look how strong. | ||
| Physically strong. | ||
| Just totally dominant in position. | ||
| Every position in those transitionary periods where it might tip the other way, wrong, bitch. | ||
| I'm on you. | ||
| Plant you down. | ||
| He's strong, man. | ||
| His grappling is super, super tight. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It's tight, man. | ||
| That's Gio Kimura. | ||
| He's kind of like dropping a shit on your head, too. | ||
| That's his number one move right there. | ||
| He gets a free one. | ||
| Stay in half guard, hit the Kimura and hook the head with the left leg. | ||
| That's on his back. | ||
| That's where he lives right there. | ||
| When you transition that, you kind of get a free shin to the face too, right? | ||
| It's like the only time we're allowed to drop a shin on a dude. | ||
| You can try to choke him out a little bit or just ride it. | ||
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Put it right on your Adam Tapper. | |
| If the guy has a good Kimura grip, if it's solid, it takes a long time to master just holding onto that grip. | ||
| It's not really about the Kimura these days. | ||
| It's more about just getting the grip to get better positions. | ||
| You can get the back from there. | ||
| It's hard to Kimura, guys, but... | ||
| Oh, he tapped. | ||
| He did. | ||
| Oh, he got him. | ||
| Wow, he got him. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Wow, he yanked that shit up quick. | ||
| As soon as the left arm was free, he popped it right behind his back. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| I'm not saying the Kimura is not possible, obviously it's possible, but it's generally now, it's an art in itself. | ||
| You can put a whole DVD out on jumping on a Kimura grip in every position and how to improve your position, how to sweep, how to get the back, how to turn it into an arm bar, how to do this, how to turn it into a leg lock. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Just the Kimura grip. | ||
| It's a whole style on itself. | ||
| It could be its own style. | ||
| Really, just bam! | ||
| Watch how he gets it. | ||
| See that? | ||
| There's that free shin. | ||
| He's a mean shit. | ||
| You get a drop of shit on a dude's face. | ||
| It's so hard to get that arm out at that point. | ||
| Here he gets it right here. | ||
| Hey, how close was Javi to catching Gary Tonin in the Camorra? | ||
| I don't remember that he had him in a Kimura. | ||
| Very briefly, in the opening moments of the fight, he attacked with a Kimura, and Gary Tonin wound up getting out of it. | ||
| But you guys were speculating. | ||
| I was watching in the tub. | ||
| Watching a little stream in the tub. | ||
| You guys were speculating whether or not Javi would go after something quick. | ||
| And right away, they tied up. | ||
| But right away, Javi tried to lock up a Kimura. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Gary Tonin caught him with a triangle. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| Gary Tonin is on fire. | ||
| He's on fire. | ||
| Dude, that triangle was just beautiful. | ||
| The way he took it from the side and then pinned him over. | ||
| How long? | ||
| How much time did he catch him? | ||
| It took about 10 minutes. | ||
| No, maybe less. | ||
| No, maybe less than 10 minutes. | ||
| It was a really, really high-paced match. | ||
| Javi could have easily... | ||
| He was telling me that he was going to take... | ||
| Gary Tonin into deep waters, because Javi's known for his cardio, and that's like his style. | ||
| He likes to wear them out. | ||
| He trains with Henner and Heron a lot. | ||
| They like to wear dudes out. | ||
| And that's what he was telling me that he was going to do, but he didn't do that at all. | ||
| He went after him. | ||
| He went after Gary Tonin, but it's so hard. | ||
| It's so hard to tap out Gary Tonin. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
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Tough. | |
| You know what I was really impressed with? | ||
| I mean, I was really impressed with Gary Toten's triangle, but Javi's defense is insane. | ||
| Yeah, he defended all Gary Toten's leg locks. | ||
| That's what Gary's known for. | ||
| Gary's known for leg locks. | ||
| He said, I just trained with Lister, and he says he didn't get near my feet. | ||
| He says, I felt real good there. | ||
| Yeah, he already had amazing leg lock defense. | ||
| He trained with Eric Paulson down at CSW. Javi was... | ||
| Very hard to leg lock. | ||
| That's going to be a hard thing to do. | ||
| And he spent a lot of extra time with leg lock defense because that's Gary's go-to stuff. | ||
| But he got kind of triangle. | ||
| Gary Tony got all kind of game. | ||
| He's got everything. | ||
| He's got everything. | ||
| That triangle was so beautiful, too. | ||
| To set it up on a guy like Javi from your side like that, lock it in, and then just go through. | ||
| Every step of the way, Javi couldn't stop it. | ||
| He won his match. | ||
| Gary Tunnel won his match in Polaris. | ||
| He beat Marcin Held. | ||
| He leg-locked him. | ||
| And before that, Metamorris against Zach Maxwell. | ||
| He leg-locked him. | ||
| And then before that, the other Metamorris he did against Kit Dale. | ||
| Guillotined him. | ||
| He's not just leg locks. | ||
| His leg locks are vicious. | ||
| Does he do gi and no gi or just gi? | ||
| He does gi. | ||
| He doesn't do as well in the gi because he's just not a points guy. | ||
| It's a whole different game. | ||
| There's a points style and then there's a submission only style. | ||
| Two different completely... | ||
| The way you were trained for those tournaments is totally different. | ||
| Well, no one gives a shit about the points-only ones. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| If it's points-only and it doesn't go to a submission, it just feels kind of fucked up. | ||
| But when you're watching these fights, like these fights in the Gracie Nationals, dude, those were fucking exciting as shit because you knew someone was getting tapped. | ||
| There's not a better one than EBI. It's the best tournament I ever been to. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| These kind of tournaments where you're going submission only, that's what's up. | ||
| The overtime, all that stuff. | ||
| Gary Toten's coming from EBI 3 March 22nd, Sunday. | ||
| March 22nd? | ||
| At the Orpheum Theater. | ||
| It's going to be on budovideos.com. | ||
| It's going to be the first one that we do on pay-per-view. | ||
| Orpheum's a different one than... | ||
| There's an Orpheus movie where they film American Idol. | ||
| We got hooked up. | ||
| We got hooked up. | ||
| What time is it? | ||
| What time does it go? | ||
| We start. | ||
| Doors open at 2. We're going to start at 4. It's on a Sunday. | ||
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March 22nd. | |
| I got the Comedy Magic Club at 7. Will I miss everything? | ||
| Will I miss the main show? | ||
| It'll go until 11 at night. | ||
| You might not get to the end. | ||
| Where's it going to be at? | ||
| A 16-man tournament can take an hour and a half, or it can take two hours and a half. | ||
| It's like a badass documentary. | ||
| Even if you don't know the first eight matches, the preliminaries, by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know those finalists very, very well. | ||
| So when you go see a 16-man tournament, each match, one at a time, it really is like a documentary. | ||
| It's like UFC 2. Remember that shit? | ||
| You got to see it all unfold. | ||
| You don't really get to see that much. | ||
| Where do you get to see that? | ||
| Where do you get to see a tournament unfold like that anymore? | ||
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Glory. | |
| Glory. | ||
| That crazy fucking... | ||
| Glory? | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| How good was that last glory? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| That's the only other place. | ||
| I think they should stop that. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I'm a big fan of glory. | ||
| I want glory to be successful. | ||
| Jiu-Jitsu is different though. | ||
| You can do it in Jiu-Jitsu matches. | ||
| Jiu-Jitsu is for sure. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| That's very different. | ||
| I mean for glory. | ||
| Even in MMA it's more kind. | ||
| But for a straight kickboxing, it's oof. | ||
| Ben, what do you think about that, Ben? | ||
| You're an active fighter. | ||
| Pull up that microphone, man. | ||
| What do you think about the idea of fighting like that, like a glory event? | ||
| It's kind of dangerous, right? | ||
| Three times in a night? | ||
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I mean, it's definitely dangerous, but it's also, if you're doing it, you're doing it as like... | |
| That's the goal. | ||
| It's so crazy how many people are really willing to participate in this and really go try to become the champion of that night. | ||
| That's what got me into fighting when I saw the UFC back in the day. | ||
| Tournaments. | ||
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Yeah, tournaments. | |
| All in one night. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| There's so much circumstance and I guess there could be luck. | ||
| You could win with a head kick but break your foot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now you're going along, you know, either trying to fight through it or you have to bow out and that's it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, like Steve Jennum. | ||
| Remember when Steve Jennum won because Hoist couldn't go on? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Steve Jennum won up going on. | ||
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No one really remembers him. | |
| Those tournaments versus, like, the Pride tournaments when it's like, this month they're going to fight, then we'll have the next thing. | ||
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But... | |
| To have it all in one night, that's the thing, man. | ||
| I love the pride style. | ||
| I think we know too much about getting damaged and then cooling off and then going back and getting more damage. | ||
| The ramifications are multiplied. | ||
| You're getting all these concussions and then you're going to go and have another fight. | ||
| How much are those boys getting paid over in Glory? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Does anyone know? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It can't be great. | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| It can't be great. | ||
| I have zero idea. | ||
| I wouldn't want to speculate, but they're on Viacom. | ||
| I'm telling you, it can't be great. | ||
| My take is this could work because they're on Viacom. | ||
| They're on fucking Spike TV, and Spike TV's making Friday night just combat sports night. | ||
| Bellator one time, kickboxing another time. | ||
| They're doing Golden Glory boxing. | ||
| It's going to be great, but... | ||
| If people just pay attention, Glory's gonna be huge. | ||
| It's just one of those, it can't miss. | ||
| They just have to do, like what the UFC did, is the UFC put the Ultimate Fighter together and they spent 44 million dollars in losses before the Ultimate Fighter became a hit. | ||
| So it was like, they were real close to getting out. | ||
| Glory's gotta do the same thing. | ||
| If Glory can figure out how to just hang in there, that fucking thing could take off. | ||
| It's exciting as shit, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, everybody wants to see stand-up fighting. | ||
| If everybody fought the way Gary Tonin fights or the way Marcelo Garcia fights, people would love to see no-gi jiu-jitsu, too. | ||
| Just like people love to see boxing, too. | ||
| But you want to talk about, like, pure excitement. | ||
| Like, kickboxing is right up there with MMA. I mean, it's like high-level kickboxer with the best guys are going at it. | ||
| It's some wild shit goes down. | ||
| That fucking Raymond Daniels dude with those wild 360 in-the-air spin kicks like a fucking video game. | ||
| He knocks dudes out with, like, video game shit. | ||
| He threw a jumping sidekick, Eddie, touched the guy in the chest, and then spun with a spinning back kick to his face in the air. | ||
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It was out of control, man. | |
| It was insane. | ||
| It was out of control. | ||
| It was some fucking, literally some video game shit. | ||
| Well, he was a badass point fighter. | ||
| He was a badass point karate fighter. | ||
| I don't know if it was Taekwondo or karate. | ||
| I mean, whatever it is. | ||
| The lines are getting blurry with all those. | ||
| The techniques are getting real close. | ||
| Is this going to be a tough fight? | ||
| It's going to be Ronda's toughest challenge, but I think she'll pass the test. | ||
| What if she just rips right through her again? | ||
| She's just like, everybody's a new challenge for Ronda, and then she just fucks them all up. | ||
| Right? | ||
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You know it's going to be a crazy fight. | |
| I'm here to say that I believe Ronda gets hypnotized before she fights. | ||
| I'm just saying that. | ||
| Would you clarify though? | ||
| Look at the way she comes out. | ||
| Look at the way she comes out. | ||
| And you know, what's his name? | ||
| It looks like Benson Henderson would know her. | ||
| Her catch wrestling, Judo Jean LaBelle. | ||
| He's old school. | ||
| He probably knew custom model. | ||
| He probably knew custom model. | ||
| They probably took hypnotizing lessons together. | ||
| They got the blue belts together. | ||
| Inhypnotism? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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That's the new... | |
| Explain it! | ||
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Rhonda comes out, she looks like she's on fucking... | |
| She comes out like Mike Tyson! | ||
| I also think Rhonda is so much better than all these girls. | ||
| She could go on a three-week binge, no sleep, do all the coke she wants and walk in and just destroy these... | ||
| Coke! | ||
| Whatever the hell she wants to do. | ||
| Name a drug. | ||
| Don't throw under the bus! | ||
| Well, I'm not saying she is, I'm saying she could. | ||
| He wasn't saying that anyway. | ||
| Alright, anyway. | ||
| We know what you mean. | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| It's really about Cyborg dropping down to 135. Unless, I mean, we don't know, man. | ||
| Kat Zingano, you look at that combination. | ||
| Kat's a beast, man. | ||
| She finished Misha Tate with. | ||
| She's fucking ferocious. | ||
| This is legit ferocious. | ||
| It's a slow start. | ||
| Rhonda's got more competition than all those girls combined. | ||
| So when she walks out with that stare, she's been walking that aisle for fucking years. | ||
| And her striking's getting good now. | ||
| Now all of a sudden, they gotta worry about that shit now. | ||
| Right? | ||
| In Texas, when she fought there, she knocked the girl every thought. | ||
| She ground and pounded her out. | ||
| And then they go, oh no, it was the knee. | ||
| Oh no, it was the throw. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| She hit her and knocked her out. | ||
| And then kneed her so quickly and then threw her before anybody knew she was out. | ||
| Before she landed that knee on that one check. | ||
| The girl was already out cold. | ||
| She was already out cold. | ||
| Who was it, Sarah McMahon that she fucked up with the knee? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Before that knee, Jessamyn Duke was telling me weeks before, she's killing with the knee. | ||
| She like dropped Jessamyn Duke with the knee like in training. | ||
| So Jessamyn said, she's got crazy knees. | ||
| Ronda's got like, whoa. | ||
| Well, you think about that. | ||
| Ronda really doesn't train with girls. | ||
| The girls, her friends, her roommates that she used to have, she really wasn't training with them. | ||
| She'd beat them up so bad. | ||
| The coach was like, nah, we need dudes up in here. | ||
| We need some fucking dudes. | ||
| Can you imagine though? | ||
| That's an uncommon woman. | ||
| The pressure, that kind of training, since she's three? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's just an ultra winner. | ||
| It's going to take another ultra winner to beat her. | ||
| What about Marina? | ||
| Does she train with her still or no? | ||
| Shit, your guess is as good as mine. | ||
| You don't be badass if Ron has said, you know what? | ||
| I don't give a fuck about the steroids. | ||
| Let that bitch do steroids. | ||
| I'll still fight her. | ||
| Steroids or not, I'm still going to beat her ass. | ||
| You don't want to say that, man. | ||
| You don't want to say that. | ||
| You need to watch that Gina Carano fight. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| How crazy would it be if she said that? | ||
| Dude, if she came out and said that, that would be the most gangster thing you could fight. | ||
| That's the most gangster shit. | ||
| Ray Rice elevator shit. | ||
| It was just like, dear God, someone stop this shit. | ||
| Because that's basically what fighters in the UFC are doing. | ||
| You have an opponent. | ||
| You know the guy is roided in the gills. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| But you don't say like, you know what? | ||
| You don't bring that out. | ||
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You can't. | |
| You accept it. | ||
| You're like, of course he is. | ||
| Look at the guy. | ||
| We're going to fight. | ||
| You don't even bring up the steroids. | ||
| A couple people do. | ||
| Like, Chad Mendes brought it up, or someone brought it up. | ||
| A couple guys do, but you generally, you know that there's a good chance that your opponent is probably on some shit, right? | ||
| Yeah, but there's a difference between a guy who becomes... | ||
| You can't speculate publicly. | ||
| If you're about to weigh in, I'll grab the mic from Rogan. | ||
| Like, yo, homeboy's on the sauce. | ||
| No, of course, of course. | ||
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Of course, but in your mind, you're assuming that he probably is. | |
| Let me prepare for someone who's probably roided, right? | ||
| Yeah, but there's a big difference between someone who's probably roided and someone like Cyborg, who's a girl, taking male hormones. | ||
| That's a different argument. | ||
| Is that proven? | ||
| Is that proven? | ||
| She tested positive. | ||
| If she did steroids, she'd be huge! | ||
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She's fucking- you ever seen her? | |
| She's bigger than a needle! | ||
| Let's have a debate right now. | ||
| It is so open to, like, first things first. | ||
| He doesn't even proven. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| We haven't done one of these in a while. | ||
| She looks a lot different now. | ||
| You look at Cyborg now, she looks a lot leaner. | ||
| That's the answer you give if someone asks if you do roids. | ||
| You go, dude, if I did roids, I'd be huge. | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You're not denying it or anything? | ||
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You're just... | |
| You know, the real argument though is... | ||
| They're like, wait, you are huge though. | ||
| Dude, come on, look at me! | ||
| Look at me, dude! | ||
| Look at me! | ||
| You think I'm unwise? | ||
| Think about that! | ||
| Thanks for the compliment. | ||
| The real argument with a chick like her, though, is that... | ||
| How long was she doing it for? | ||
| And did she permanently alter her physique? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, when you're introducing... | ||
| If you look at... | ||
| Like, you ever seen those women? | ||
| Yeah, well those women that used to be like Miss Olympia's, I know one of those ladies and she just looks different now. | ||
| Like, she juiced up. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
| And she just looks different now. | ||
| She's in her 50s now and it's like, man. | ||
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Thicker? | |
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| She looks like, everything's thicker? | ||
| It's pretty obvious. | ||
| She did some fucking male hormones. | ||
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What'd she do? | |
| Wrestle? | ||
| Judo? | ||
| She was Miss Olympia. | ||
| Bodybuilding. | ||
| Or one of those, not Miss Olympia or Miss Universe or whatever. | ||
| She was a giant lady. | ||
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Do you think those speed skaters with the big thighs, you think they do roids? | |
| I would think that a lot of professional athletes do steroids. | ||
| A lot of amateur athletes. | ||
| And do you think that since the Lance Armstrong situation happened, do you think cyclists are still doing all that shit? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Nothing changed? | ||
| No. | ||
| He got busted, nothing changed. | ||
| Part of the game. | ||
| Did you see what happened with that? | ||
| The next guy that didn't piss hot would have been like the 22nd finisher. | ||
| I think it was 15. 15th or 16th place. | ||
| Can you imagine if you were 15? | ||
| The next best guy that didn't piss dirty ever was the 15th guy in to finish. | ||
| They all piss hot. | ||
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So 1 through 14, everyone piss hot. | |
| Like a certain year or something? | ||
| What are you guys saying? | ||
| In a certain year, 1 through 14 piss hot? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He's saying if there's 20 guys that raced, 15 of them pissed hot. | ||
| The top 15? | ||
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Positive. | |
| In what year? | ||
| I mean, what is that? | ||
| Almost every year. | ||
| Oh, every time. | ||
| They always piss off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They always get busted. | ||
| And they just keep going? | ||
| It's essentially a dirty sport. | ||
| It's a dirty sport. | ||
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No one gets busted? | |
| No, they do. | ||
| But see, for the longest time, people were lying. | ||
| They didn't have as sophisticated methods of determining whether they were on certain things. | ||
| And there was doctors that were involved. | ||
| There's a lot of scandalous shit that's going down. | ||
| That guy that you had on the podcast. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Kevin Lee with a guillotine, standing guillotine. | ||
| The guy he's fighting is a beast, man. | ||
| That fucking Pazeros. | ||
| He's very fucking strong. | ||
| Yeah, but this guy is a jiu-jitsu guy on top. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| He's still got guillotine. | ||
| He can. | ||
| That's a deep guillotine. | ||
| Yeah, I'm telling you, this dude is getting through that. | ||
| It's a different animal. | ||
| Michel Perez, I think, how do you say it? | ||
| Pizaris, rather? | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| He's a beast, dude. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| There's some gnarly grappling going on. | ||
| Oh, dude, he's a beast. | ||
| This guy's physically strong. | ||
| He doesn't finish often in the octagon. | ||
| He's having a hard time, like, catching guys and stuff. | ||
| But his positioning is ridiculous. | ||
| This is where you use the grease right here. | ||
| Someone's got your back. | ||
| You get on that tripod. | ||
| His physical strength and control is ridiculous. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Sometimes it takes guys like Damian Maia. | ||
| You know, sometimes it takes guys a few fights to get settled in. | ||
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It looked like he just kissed him in the cheek. | |
| Damian Maia is going to fight Ryan LaFleur. | ||
| It's the main event out there, right? | ||
| That's an interesting fight, man. | ||
| People don't know how good LaFleur is. | ||
| Is that your card, Killaby? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Same card, man. | ||
| Who was supposed to be on the main event? | ||
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Uriah Faber and... | |
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Asuncao. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Asuncao fucked his foot up. | ||
| He broke his ankle. | ||
| So now it's Uriah Faber and... | ||
| Uriah Faber versus fucking Frankie Edgar, dude. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The Philippines? | ||
| The Philippines. | ||
| Main event for the Philippines. | ||
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Is that at 45? | |
| Yep. | ||
| It's a gnarly ass fight. | ||
| It's a gnarly fight. | ||
| I like Uriah Faber at 45 because he can have all that energy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, he cuts to get to 135. I think it's really rough on him. | ||
| And I think even especially as you get older, it might benefit him to fight 145 because he's still going to cut a little. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, they're very similar in size. | ||
| But it might be the first fight ever where Frankie Edgar's the bigger guy. | ||
| I think every UFC fighter could learn something from Uri Faber. | ||
| No one's capitalized as far as business-wise opportunity than Uri Faber. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| When it comes to business, how? | ||
| Just the real estate that he owns, the companies that he starts, Torque he sold to K-Swiss. | ||
| He always has his hand in the pot as far as just making stuff happen. | ||
| Dude, Torque makes good shit. | ||
| They're the best gloves I've ever used, man. | ||
| They have two Velcros inside of them. | ||
| It zips up really tight. | ||
| It's a super comfortable glove. | ||
| Like, I have a pair of Twins that I was using, and they feel like shit now compared to the Torque. | ||
| Torque's sweet, man. | ||
| But I love the Twins. | ||
| Twins are nice. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| I mean, I use them constantly. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| But these Torques are so good. | ||
| Everything they make is good. | ||
| Their shin and insteps are great. | ||
| Their gloves are like, they're like the most comfortable gloves I've ever put on. | ||
| You know what makes really good gloves too? | ||
| Hayabusa. | ||
| They make some great. | ||
| Yeah, that's those tie pads that we have. | ||
| Justin holds the tie pads for me and I had the older ones and they'd fuck his arms up. | ||
| But the Hayabusa's man, it absorbs everything. | ||
| Do you always wear those tie gloves when you hit mitts? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Do you wear like winning or any of the... | ||
| I wear these for punching. | ||
| I wear the fucking Torx, man. | ||
| I don't wear anything with... | ||
| I have like 80 different gloves. | ||
| I always pick those Torx up. | ||
| Have you tried those winning gloves? | ||
| Yeah, I've tried those. | ||
| Those are good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of good stuff. | ||
| You know, a lot of people... | ||
| Tidal makes good gloves. | ||
| A lot of people make good gloves. | ||
| But I really... | ||
| The torque is like... | ||
| It's very pliable, too. | ||
| Like, it moves good in your hand. | ||
| You feel like you get a good grip. | ||
| For me, it's all about wrist support, man. | ||
| My wrists are jacked. | ||
| You gotta tape the shit out of them. | ||
| Do you tape the shit out of them when you work out? | ||
| Do you do wrist exercises? | ||
| Do you do wrist exercises to strengthen it? | ||
|
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Nah. | |
| What? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
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Fuck yeah, you should be doing wrist curls. | |
| Wrist curls are big, man. | ||
| Don't do anything with a weak link. | ||
| Don't address that shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, I had a bad wrist for like... | ||
| I had a bad wrist for like 10 years. | ||
| I fucked up my wrist once, and it literally never got better. | ||
| I never got an MRI. I never found out what was wrong with it. | ||
| It would click. | ||
| No matter what I did, it would click, and it would be in pain every time I worked out for like 10 years. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| But you know what I got? | ||
| Pro-low therapy. | ||
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That's my life. | |
| I got that pro-low therapy shit where they inject, like they stick glucose into your tenons. | ||
| Did you like that in the PRP? No, it's a different thing. | ||
| Like one of them you do for joints, like where the tendons are loose and you have issues. | ||
| Dude, it fixed it. | ||
| Like you never hear about something getting fixed. | ||
| Like when someone has a chronic something for 10 years, it's always like, well, dude, that's some shit you got to deal with. | ||
| But no, my wrist got fixed. | ||
| They injected all these fucking needles into it. | ||
| Hurt like a fuck. | ||
| It feels like fire. | ||
| It's fire. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's sore, too. | ||
| And then it's sore as fuck, and they're like, yeah, no ibuprofen. | ||
| We want the swelling. | ||
| So just sit with that hurt for a long time. | ||
| Prolo therapy? | ||
| Yeah, what it does is it makes your tendons physically thicker. | ||
| Like, it can make it as much as 40% thicker. | ||
| Someone knew someone. | ||
| I want to say it's Scotty from On The Mat. | ||
| One of his buddies was getting prolo on his elbows and his knees just to strengthen them from jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Didn't even have issues. | ||
| Was getting it just injected in. | ||
| It's a great idea. | ||
| It literally strengthens your tendons. | ||
| It hurts so bad. | ||
| It hurts so bad. | ||
| But allegedly, I mean, I want to make sure that this is... | ||
| You should Google it before you go out and do it. | ||
| Years, years ago when he was like a purple belt to John Jocks, he tweaked his knee in jujitsu really, really bad. | ||
| And you immediately called the people from Prolo from John Jocks and they said, come on over now. | ||
| And you had your NSX. Yeah. | ||
| And I remember he couldn't drive, so I had to drive his NSX. And I've never driven a high-powered sports car before, so I was kind of like grinding the gears here and there. | ||
| And he's dying as you're going. | ||
| He's so mad! | ||
| He was so mad! | ||
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His knee was fucked up and he was like, this is the first car I got when I got ripped and you're killing it. | |
| He was already, can you imagine, he's in the worst mood he could be and his knee just popped. | ||
| I'm rushing him to prolo therapy so that we can avoid surgery perhaps, right? | ||
| And he's so mad at me, I'll never forget. | ||
| You can't fucking drive with shit, dude! | ||
| You're fucking killing my gears! | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| And he was panicking. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
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Yeah, you put the pressure on so he's nervous probably even more, making it worse. | |
| Dude, it's a hard car to drive, dude. | ||
| You have to practice. | ||
| It's not like driving a central stick shift. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| One of the easiest cars to drive a man could ever drive. | ||
| It's one of the smoothest, easiest cars a man could ever drive in his life. | ||
|
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Come on, man. | |
| Come on. | ||
| The NSX is no point for being a smooth, easy car to drive. | ||
| It was very powerful, man. | ||
| I had a stick shift Pinto station wagon. | ||
| I was used to that shit. | ||
| Well, the one that you drove was the best one I ever owned, too, because it was supercharged. | ||
| I put a supercharger on that one. | ||
| And the prolo-therapy, this was like 15 years ago, man. | ||
| Back then, they didn't have the results they have now, right? | ||
| The scientific data? | ||
| Well, what happened to my knee was I had a bucket handle tear the meniscus, so prolotherapy wouldn't have fixed that. | ||
| I had to get some surgery done. | ||
| There was an opening in the meniscus where it would flip over and lock. | ||
| The meniscus was torn, and if my knee got tweaked sideways, the torn part would tuck under, and it would literally lock my leg out. | ||
| It was rough. | ||
| So they had to go in there and scoop that shit out and fix it. | ||
| But the prolotherapy is really good for if you have any tendon issues. | ||
| They just had to take some of it out. | ||
| They'd take some of it out. | ||
| But they fixed it. | ||
| I mean, it gets sore occasionally now, but I could do everything with it. | ||
| Ben has never needed any surgery. | ||
| He's never been hurt, right? | ||
| You've never needed any kind of surgery, right? | ||
| No blown out knees, no nothing. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| And how old are you now? | ||
| You're 31, right? | ||
| Randy Couture went his whole career with no surgery. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that is crazy. | ||
| So this fucking dude, Michel Pizarres, he's a beast, man. | ||
| This is a good scrap. | ||
| And this Kevin Lee kid, he's fucking good, man. | ||
| I've seen him. | ||
| I've commented on several of his fights. | ||
| He's a really young kid. | ||
| He's about to switch on him right here. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So close. | ||
| Damn, next Sunday is Bigfoot and Frank Mayer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, next Sunday. | ||
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Where's that at? | |
| It's in Brazil. | ||
| It's one of the first main events ever where one guy's 0-4 and the other's 0-3 in his last three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's a big crucial fight for both of them. | |
| Well, it's a weird fight, you know. | ||
| It's a good fight, really. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a Frank Mir fan. | ||
| Well, I've always been a Frank Mir fan. | ||
| Love that guy. | ||
| Frank Mir, he can't do TRT anymore, though. | ||
| That's one thing. | ||
| He's doing TRT. Why not? | ||
| They won't let him. | ||
| Nobody does TRT anymore. | ||
| Bigfoot can't do TRT anymore, either. | ||
| So are fighters now, are they stopping with PEDs now? | ||
| I mean, are they stopping? | ||
| Are they really stopping, or are they trying to be more careful? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Can they really stop? | ||
| Can you really train that hard? | ||
| The guys just figure ways around it. | ||
| You gotta wonder. | ||
| It's part of professional sports. | ||
| It's not a UFC problem. | ||
| It's a professional sports problem. | ||
| Just UFC guys get caught and it makes a bigger scene. | ||
| NFL guys get caught all the time. | ||
| What do you think about it? | ||
| We can't talk over each other. | ||
| Every year there's NFL players that get popped. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
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Every year. | |
| About how many a year on average? | ||
| Way more than the UFC. Not even close. | ||
| Granted, there's more players. | ||
| Yeah, 10, 15 a year? | ||
| Or way more? | ||
| Probably more. | ||
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More! | |
| Are you sure? | ||
| But they don't even announce it anymore. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Because it's just whatever. | ||
| They just let it go. | ||
| Because they don't have to. | ||
| Because the commission's announcing it. | ||
| The number one team that got banned the most had the most players test positive. | ||
| And we don't know whether it's... | ||
| It could be for Adderall. | ||
| It could be for steroids. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| They don't tell you that. | ||
| But the number one team who had the most players test positive was the Seattle Seahawks, who won the Super Bowl. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| So why is it that baseball goes in front of Congress and basketball, all these other sports, it's just a fine or it's an internal problem? | ||
| Wait a minute, didn't the Patriots win the Super Bowl? | ||
| My bad, yeah. | ||
| Last year. | ||
| I don't even know football. | ||
| Yeah, last year. | ||
| My bad, last year. | ||
| You could have told me that the Bulls won the Super Bowl. | ||
| I love football. | ||
| I didn't watch that game. | ||
| I grew up a football fanatic, but the more I got into the UFC, the more I stopped watching football. | ||
| I barely watch football every now and then. | ||
| I keep track of it. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about the Patriots or the Seahawks, but I watched the Super Bowl, and holy shit! | ||
| That was the craziest game of all time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The end, that catch, the craziest catch in football history right there at the very end. | ||
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It just bounces off the dude's body. | |
| I can't believe you watched football, man. | ||
| I wouldn't think that. | ||
| No, the Super Bowl was crazy. | ||
|
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And then they threw an interception right after that. | |
| And then the game's over. | ||
| How about the Katy Perry riding the lion part? | ||
| I'm not mad at that either. | ||
|
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I didn't get to see that. | |
| No? | ||
| She's a talented chick, man. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Anybody can say that. | ||
| She's pretty and she's very talented. | ||
| I'm not trying to buy her music or anything, but I see the hook. | ||
| I hear the hook in there. | ||
| I'm like, okay, that music is pretty good. | ||
| I ain't going to try to buy it, but hey, it's better than fucking Britney Spears. | ||
| You know, according to Twitter, she's the most famous person on earth. | ||
| She has the most followers out of anyone. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I can't even tell you. | ||
| No way. | ||
| More than like a Kim Kardashian? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| That doesn't seem possible. | ||
| More than Obama? | ||
| What do you think she has? | ||
| 39. Twitter? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
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I'm going to say... | |
| He went 39? | ||
| 73 million. | ||
| This is like Price is Right. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| 42. What do you say? | ||
| 42. 42? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| 56. 65. Woo! | ||
| This bitch has 65 million. | ||
| What's Kim Kardashian? | ||
| I'm not even going to look. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Fuck her. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Kim K's at 28. Step your game up, Kim K. Come on. | ||
| Well, one of them has talent. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| I mean, you can't be mad at Kim K, though. | ||
| Zero talent, just killing the game. | ||
| I mean, if I had kids, I don't know. | ||
| Killing the game? | ||
| What game is that? | ||
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The game of reality TV and having a blowout ass, son? | |
| Who's this? | ||
| That ass looks like she's wearing a diaper. | ||
| Oh, you have respect for her? | ||
| She's got a diaper on. | ||
| Respect? | ||
| I respect for her mom and the family. | ||
| Oh, nice left hook there, man. | ||
| Take some heat for this. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Is Bruce Jenner really turning into a chick? | ||
| Yep, 100%. | ||
| That's 100%. | ||
| And Joe, how is it? | ||
| I keep thinking it's fake, right? | ||
| When you look at that, right? | ||
| It looks like it. | ||
| It's like, this is tabloid shit. | ||
| This can't be real. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| I saw one of those daughters. | ||
| This was like a year ago. | ||
| That's because we always do that. | ||
| One of those daughters' Instagrams. | ||
| Hey, we're talking over each other again. | ||
| I know we're not listening to the headsets. | ||
| One of those daughters' Instagrams, they have a picture. | ||
| I love my dad so much and he looks like her mom. | ||
| It is real. | ||
| It's totally real. | ||
| So Bruce Jenner got in a car wreck, and he had to notify the police that he's taking hormones to become a female. | ||
| And he's doing a thing on him, following around his transition from male to female. | ||
| Wow, he had to tell the police that he's taking hormones? | ||
| He had to tell the police because they were like, what's in your system? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| He's like, oh, I'm trying to get a set of tits. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I wonder if he said it that way. | ||
| Yo, I'm trying to get a set of tits. | ||
| I might have made that up. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Trying to get a set of tits over here. | ||
| So what's going on? | ||
| I'm feeling a little emotional. | ||
| You know how it is. | ||
| Trying to get a set of tits over this bitch. | ||
| But he claims he's not gay. | ||
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How crazy is that? | |
| No, he likes women. | ||
| He's a lesbian. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I have a whole bit about it in my act. | ||
| I can't do it right here though. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| Look, they're standing in front of each other. | ||
| Kevin Lee's talking shit. | ||
| Pizarro's getting tired. | ||
| Oh, he's tired as shit. | ||
| These boys are swinging. | ||
| Well, Perceros, he uses so much physical energy. | ||
| You gotta remember it's in Denver, too. | ||
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His style. | |
| The altitude. | ||
| It's a beast. | ||
| Remember when Elton John didn't fully come out? | ||
| He came out halfway. | ||
| First, he said he was bi. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Hard elbows by Kevin Lee. | ||
| I think Bruce Jenner was like too much at once. | ||
| I want to be a woman and I'm gay. | ||
| I think he's going to tell people he's gay in 10 years. | ||
| I think Bruce Jenner just... | ||
| He wants to be a woman. | ||
| Kim K and the rest of the family is like, dude, this is ridiculous. | ||
| I bet he starts dating guys. | ||
| You're going to start to see him after a while. | ||
| He's going to get busted with a guy. | ||
| And then it's going to... | ||
| Busted with a guy. | ||
| I defended that dude too, man. | ||
| Boy, was I off. | ||
| I bet it was a conspiracy theory at first, right? | ||
| Well, it's only because- No way! | ||
| He goes, yes, he's gonna- Callan came up with it. | ||
| Callan broke the news! | ||
| Brian Callan broke the news a year and a half ago. | ||
| How did he know? | ||
| He had a friend who was painting the house. | ||
| Callan's gonna kill me for telling the story. | ||
| He had a friend for painting the house. | ||
| But don't tell the story then. | ||
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Nah! | |
| Nah, that's how we work. | ||
| We'll get over it. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| He had a friend who was painting their house. | ||
| Don't say what he did. | ||
| Just say working there. | ||
| Working there. | ||
| That guy's never painting another house. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He used to have a good account. | ||
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Fuck, dude. | |
| He could go up to the Kardashian. | ||
| Just think about what you're doing right now and don't do it. | ||
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Dude, the dude's going to be fun. | |
| You fucking threw the painter under the bus. | ||
| Painters signed, like, non-disclosure agreements to paint those kind of houses. | ||
| Well, my bad. | ||
| Like, for real. | ||
| That guy could really get sued right now. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Just stop right now. | ||
| Well, but Kellen might be lying. | ||
| Don't say what he knows. | ||
| Either way, Callan had an inside source, also known as a snitch. | ||
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Don't! | |
| It's too late. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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It's too late. | |
| You already said a lot. | ||
| The painter is freaking, he left town. | ||
| It's gone. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| He doesn't have that gig anymore. | ||
| And then what happened? | ||
| So Brian Callan, how did he know? | ||
| I saw a wig, saw like full man-sized dresses, all sorts of stuff, with his name on it. | ||
| Man-sized dresses. | ||
| With his dress on it. | ||
| That sounds like the most unlikely story ever. | ||
| Bruce Cheddar on his dress. | ||
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No, no, bro, no. | |
| Bruce Zena. | ||
| Calum went out for a drink with him is what happened. | ||
| He might. | ||
| What's his female? | ||
| Kevin Lee! | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Kevin Lee, man. | ||
| This Pizaris dude's getting tired and Kevin Lee's not. | ||
| Kevin Lee's all over him, man. | ||
| He hit him with some fucking sick elbows to the head of the clinch, too. | ||
| He's alright, look at him. | ||
| He's just... | ||
| Do you think he'll take on a new name? | ||
| He's not hurt, but he's done. | ||
| His lungs are dying. | ||
| Do you think that Bruce Jenner will take on a new name? | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| Hey, could there be a more manly name than Bruce? | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| It's like the gay name. | ||
| It's like the gay name. | ||
| It is just gangster, Bruce. | ||
| Bruce Lee. | ||
| Bruce Lee is not gay. | ||
| Priestley's not gay. | ||
| No he's definitely not. | ||
| He's certainly not. | ||
| Certainly everyone got all serious. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| He's going for that leg lock. | ||
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Hell no. | |
| Shit no. | ||
| He's going for that leg lock with the legs crossed. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| Kevin Lee's trying to throw a real naked choke. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Crushing that jaw right now. | ||
| He's got this dude's bat because Pizarro's got tired. | ||
| He's going to do it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Damn, man. | ||
| No way the Brazilian won, right? | ||
| Oh, is that guy Brazilian? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He just ended the fight on that note, man. | |
| Dude, that guy is tired as fuck. | ||
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Yeah, he's tired as fuck. | |
| Yeah, you would think that if he does transition to beat a woman, he's gonna want to change his name. | ||
| He's not gonna stick with Bruce. | ||
| I mean, what do you do, man? | ||
| Everyone knows you're fucking Bruce. | ||
| You change your name. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Girls do that all the time. | ||
| When they become a woman. | ||
| When they used to be a man, and they get a sex change. | ||
| I mean, I have no idea. | ||
| It must be kind of fun, picking a whole new name. | ||
| You know what's hilarious? | ||
| Once someone has transitioned, you're not even supposed to say they used to be a man. | ||
| You're supposed to say they were always a woman. | ||
| Because they were a woman in their mind, and it's cruel to say that they were one time a man. | ||
| Even if they're a man, it's wrong to state reality that they had a penis, they functioned as a man, even had sex with women, and had babies. | ||
| So you just have to pretend that never happened. | ||
| Dude, I had a conversation with this woman on Twitter, and she actually said that. | ||
| And I go, so he wasn't a man when he had sex with a woman and got her pregnant. | ||
| He wasn't a man. | ||
| She goes, no, not even then. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Okay, I think we're done. | ||
| Well, this conversation's over. | ||
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This conversation just took a left turn to La La Land. | |
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
| A woman fucked a woman and got her pregnant? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Well, it's just only a woman physically? | ||
| But in reality, he was a dude that fucked a woman. | ||
| She's just saying he felt like a woman, even though he's fucking a woman as a man. | ||
| You know what the problem with that kind of logic is? | ||
| If that's the case, if you're already a woman and you have a penis, keep your goddamn penis. | ||
| Keep your balls. | ||
| Your body will work better. | ||
| This idea that you're already a woman. | ||
| If you are already a woman, why are you getting the sex change then? | ||
| You're not already a woman. | ||
| You were a man at one point in time. | ||
| You're not helping anybody by twisting the reality of the situation. | ||
| You're just making it more confusing and harder for people to accept. | ||
| I wonder what's tougher to go from being a man to a woman or woman to man. | ||
| I would say that a dick is going to be challenging. | ||
| Yeah, a woman to man is like impossible. | ||
| Because they build dicks out of the inside of pussies. | ||
| What does that look like? | ||
| Can you pull that up, Jamie? | ||
| Can you pull that up, Jamie? | ||
| Can we get some... | ||
| They make dicks out of the inside of pussies. | ||
| Are you trying to get a virus out? | ||
| And they put something in there. | ||
| I don't want to see it. | ||
| I thought they used fake dicks. | ||
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I think they used fake thumbs. | |
| Alright, my man. | ||
| Well, I know one of them. | ||
| Yeah, where's that opener? | ||
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Oh, thank you. | |
| I know one of them. | ||
| I saw this lady grew a dick on her arm. | ||
| I'm not mad at that at all. | ||
| Like those rabbits with the ears? | ||
| They stretched the skin out on her arm and created a fake penis. | ||
| So when she was transitioning and becoming a man... | ||
| I take a drink of his beer, right? | ||
| And he's looking at you talking, but I was like waiting for him to look at me at my reaction after I took it. | ||
| Because I know in his peripheral, he saw it and he looked at me and went... | ||
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Well, what the fuck? | |
| It's pretty good. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| Eddie's not a beer guy, though. | ||
| It all tastes the same. | ||
| Yeah, I'm more of a beer guy. | ||
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Is that right? | |
| I couldn't tell the difference between Miller Lite and Coors Lite or anything like that. | ||
| Does Kevin Lee get it? | ||
| Damn, his corner man had some locks and a pierced lip. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Look at Rick James! | ||
| He's in a lot better shape than last time I saw him. | ||
| Kevin Lee up in this bitch. | ||
| He got leather pants on, Rick James does. | ||
| They might be leather. | ||
| Holy mother... | ||
| Dude, look at his belt buckle. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| Damn, he's stealing the show. | ||
| That's Milly Vanilli. | ||
| He's stealing the show. | ||
| I don't know which one it is, Milly or Vanilli. | ||
| Oh, he's in Denver boy. | ||
| That's why he's got such wicked cardio, man. | ||
| He's used to that altitude up there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you're not used to altitude, that shit tortures you. | ||
| You ever seen Mark Hunt versus Ben Rothwell at altitude? | ||
| Yeah, ridiculous. | ||
| I asked Joe Silva to fight in Denver. | ||
| He's like, we're never having another heavyweight fight in Denver. | ||
| But they did, though. | ||
| They had even crazier. | ||
| They had a heavyweight fight in Mexico City, which is pollution and higher altitude. | ||
| And Mark Hunt again. | ||
| And Mark Hunt came in like the day before. | ||
| He didn't even have any altitude training. | ||
| He came in with his sandals. | ||
| And nobody in his court. | ||
| He's like, I'm here. | ||
| Yeah, people were worried that he wasn't going to be able to make the 265. Said he was like 3'10 when he got the collar or some shit. | ||
| 3'10, 5'10. | ||
| Is he even 5'10? | ||
| He's probably 5'9. | ||
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Cutting weight to make 265. Kevin Lee's good, man. | |
| You put that dude's voice with his body and they just don't... | ||
| There's no collusion there at all. | ||
| You're like, how does Mark Hunt sound like an English gentleman? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| They threw the dick on his forearm? | ||
| Hey, there's that dick shot that you wanted, Eddie. | ||
| You wanted those dick pics? | ||
| Can you put it up on the screen? | ||
| What was that? | ||
| An artificial dick? | ||
| Like a transgender dick? | ||
| Because they grew it on his forearm, right? | ||
| That dick you put on it. | ||
| Why do they put it on the arm? | ||
| They put it back on his arm, too, to get the blood supply. | ||
| Keep that shit fresh. | ||
| To keep it healthy. | ||
| Why don't they just put it back where the dick is? | ||
| I got a lot of blood flow down there. | ||
| Gotta wait. | ||
| Gotta wait. | ||
| Can you find a transgender dick? | ||
| No, don't do it. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| There's probably guys out there that, like, that's how they get off. | ||
| We're going to eat steak after this, man. | ||
| We can't do this. | ||
| Daniel Kelly versus Patrick Walsh. | ||
| Middleweights next. | ||
| There's so many fighters in the UFC that I've never seen fight now. | ||
| Did Jeffrey Dahmer eat his victim's cocks? | ||
| Lots of parts of them, I think. | ||
| I think he ate one. | ||
| I think he ate one dick. | ||
| He ought to eat a lot. | ||
| That must have been the main course. | ||
| Their dick. | ||
| He's going to bone them. | ||
| He's going to chop them up and eat them. | ||
| Why ignore the dick now? | ||
| It's too fatty. | ||
| That must be the main course. | ||
| Hey, look at this. | ||
| For health reasons. | ||
| Turn this up, Jamie. | ||
| I want to hear what he's saying. | ||
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Oh my gosh. | |
| What's he doing with fire? | ||
| He does these, like, nunchucks fire thing. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| He does a nunchucks fire thing? | ||
| He puts it on fire and does a whole show with it. | ||
| When? | ||
| Just on his own when the fuck he wants. | ||
| No, not like when he goes to the octagon. | ||
| No, he used to, though. | ||
| He used to be a huge raver. | ||
| And so he's fought in this arena probably ten times. | ||
| This is where all our fights were in Denver before we were in the UFC. And he would come out with those flame things walking out to the cage. | ||
| No way. | ||
| And then just destroy some poor kid. | ||
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They let him come out like that? | |
| Yeah, Doug. | ||
| That seems like you could slip and light people on fire. | ||
|
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That shit was dope. | |
| It was like a Vegas show. | ||
| He'd walk to the octagon, beat the shit out of someone. | ||
| Was he really that good at it? | ||
| Yeah, he's dope at it. | ||
| Like circus performer type. | ||
| Yeah, he's really good at it. | ||
| So, Thatch was always the kid in the gym where we're like, damn, if this kid ever got his shit together, he's going to be a monster. | ||
| But he was always at raves, and he didn't believe in jiu-jitsu and wrestling, and he just kept knocking dudes out. | ||
| And then finally, he got with Lister Bowling, the head wrestling coach there, and all he's been doing is wrestling. | ||
| And he's a fucking nightmare now. | ||
| Nightmare, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Here's a funny story about Thatch. | ||
| We used to, I got Brandon Thatch, Cody Donovan, who finally you see, and myself, we all worked night security at a after-hours nightclub. | ||
| So it was the three of us were security guards, and we used to dress up like assholes. | ||
| We had like, it was basically like shitty tuxedos. | ||
| But it was the three of us, nothing ever happened. | ||
| Then the one time something happened, the boss came up to us and was like, yo man, there's this Russian dude on the dance floor, he has a gun. | ||
| Big ass gun, he's dancing with these chicks, man, you guys gotta go handle this. | ||
| So I was like the head guy where I had like an air piece in like an asshole. | ||
| So I got Brandon Thatch and Cody Donovan. | ||
| I'm like, yo man, listen, here's the deal. | ||
| Finally, we got some action. | ||
| I was like, there's this Russian dude. | ||
| You see that big ass Russian dude down there? | ||
| I'm like, they want us to kick this dude out and he has a gun. | ||
| And I'm like, Thatch is like, what the fuck? | ||
| He's like, bro, we don't get paid shit. | ||
| I'm like, I know, I realize that. | ||
| So listen, here's the plan. | ||
| I said, here's the plan. | ||
| I said, I'm going to walk up to this dude. | ||
| I'm going to be like, yo man, you got to get out of here. | ||
| I was like, Cody. | ||
| Cody at the time was big as fuck and he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I'm like, you're going to grab him. | ||
| This is if he puts up any fucking kind of fight. | ||
| I'm like, Cody, you're going to grab him. | ||
| Thatch, who's just a nasty ass kickboxer. | ||
| I'm like, you're going to kick him in the head. | ||
| I'm going to take him out, man. | ||
| You know, we didn't know the rules. | ||
| We didn't know nothing. | ||
| We're nervous as fuck. | ||
| Everyone's so nervous. | ||
| I'm sweating. | ||
| I'm like, fuck this job. | ||
| This is my last day, man. | ||
| So I'm like, alright. | ||
| We even said a prayer. | ||
| No one's really religious, but we all did kind of said a prayer. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I go up to the dude. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| You should have left that part out. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
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Leave it in. | |
| That makes it way better. | ||
| Sweating. | ||
| I go up to the dude, so nervous. | ||
| I'm all... | ||
| Hey, my man. | ||
| Hey, my man. | ||
| I'm going to have to ask you to leave. | ||
| We see the gun on you, and Cody's behind, like, knuckle, like, grip. | ||
| And the guy goes, what? | ||
| I go, bro, you're going to have to leave, man. | ||
| We saw the gun, and, you know, we don't want any issues. | ||
| He goes, no problem. | ||
| Okay, cool, man. | ||
| Everyone's ready to go. | ||
| He's like, no problem. | ||
| Just walks out. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I wish I had a cooler story for you. | ||
| But he was like, cool. | ||
| And just bounced. | ||
| We probably worked another week there. | ||
| That would have been even more terrifying because that sounds like a real goddamn professional. | ||
| He did not give a fuck. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's probably a dude who's been shooting people since the 8th grade. | ||
| And he's like, oh yeah, I know I gotta leave now. | ||
| I don't want to go to jail again. | ||
| Big dude. | ||
| I got a job later tonight, actually. | ||
| I'm gonna need this gun, so I'm just gonna go. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| We actually quit, because I talked all the guys into working there. | ||
| But we would get out at like 4 or 5 in the morning. | ||
| So we thought we could work at night, train during the day. | ||
| But we wouldn't get home at like 5 a.m. | ||
| We'd practice and be at like 10 a.m. | ||
| We'd go there and just get dismantled. | ||
| Yeah, you're exhausted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was the glory days when we had Rashad Evans, Nate Markart, Shane Carwin, Keith Jardine, all those monsters. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| George St. Pierre. | ||
| Everyone was at our camp. | ||
| You can't have five hours sleep and show up for that shit. | ||
| Now what? | ||
| Five hours doing some shady drugs and shit? | ||
| Not good, man. | ||
| Fighting Russians. | ||
| Making four dollars an hour. | ||
| Russian dudes with guns. | ||
| Daniel Kelly looks Irish to me. | ||
| Where is he from? | ||
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Texas. | |
| Texas? | ||
| Can you do the Joey voice with an iris accent? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| I'd have to work on that. | ||
| I wouldn't want to disrespect the art. | ||
| Yeah, that's a tough one. | ||
| I didn't realize how funny Joey Diaz is, man. | ||
| You've always told me. | ||
| We had him on our show. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| Fucking beast. | ||
| There's nobody like him. | ||
| No one, right? | ||
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How old is he? | |
| Joey? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The fights? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
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Four-time Olympian. | |
| In what, wrestling? | ||
| No, judo. | ||
| This guy? | ||
| No, this guy. | ||
| Daniel Kelly. | ||
| Judo Olympian? | ||
|
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Four-time judo Olympian. | |
| Four-time judo Olympian. | ||
| Nobody can hear you. | ||
| There's not a microphone on you, so when you're talking, it becomes an issue. | ||
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It's alright. | |
| I mean, you gotta step up to it. | ||
| You gotta be able to do this. | ||
| Four-time Olympian. | ||
| Damn, that girl's hot. | ||
| Super hot. | ||
| She's Australian, too. | ||
| She's that chick that was in The Wolf of Wall Street. | ||
| She's so bad. | ||
| Stupid hot. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| It's frustrating hot. | ||
| Interracial shit's going down! | ||
| Her and Will Smith. | ||
| Kapow, America. | ||
| The blackening has begun. | ||
| This is a Catwoman? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got the Joker in this, I might watch it. | ||
| Is this a new, is this a TV show? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Gotham, son. | ||
| Gotham's most sinister. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know about it. | ||
| Well, as long as you don't know about it. | ||
| I've not been seeing commercials for it. | ||
| Is this like a prequel? | ||
| Or a prequel? | ||
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I'll give any Batman thing a shot. | |
| Bigfoot versus mirror. | ||
| Barboza versus Johnson is the fight on that fucking card. | ||
| That's a wicked fight, man. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| Michael Johnson's been out for a bit, right? | ||
| Did he get injured? | ||
| Yeah, he got injured, right? | ||
| He got injured and he lost his last one, correct? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Pretty sure, and he got injured. | ||
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Yeah, I know he was on a roll. | |
| Yeah, and then he lost one. | ||
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Yeah, I think he might have lost one. | |
| And Rashad got hurt again. | ||
| You see that? | ||
| His knee didn't take to the ACL. They said it didn't accept the ACL or something like that. | ||
| I don't know why that happens. | ||
| I would like to talk to a surgeon about what is the issue with ACLs. | ||
| With a lot of UFC fighters in particular, the grafts blow or they don't work. | ||
| Well, a lot of times they use some parts from a cadaver, right? | ||
| Yeah, well that's the ones that don't accept sometimes. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes the body rejects it. | ||
| I don't think they know. | ||
| I think it depends on the body, correct? | ||
| So just like some people it works on, some people it doesn't. | ||
| Some people it takes, some it doesn't. | ||
| Just like Dominic Cruz, right? | ||
| But there's also people that don't give it enough time and they're already training and they blow it out again. | ||
| That does happen. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I think Ed Herman did that. | ||
| I think other guys have done that too. | ||
| You know, you don't know. | ||
| Like when they say your body rejected it, are you sure? | ||
| I mean, I don't know exactly what's going on. | ||
| Because what happens when you do a cadaver, apparently, is that it's like a scaffolding. | ||
| And so it's not that cadaver graft that actually becomes your ACL. It's like that ACL allows your body to proliferate new tissue into it until it becomes solid again. | ||
| But you don't really take the tissue. | ||
| It doesn't stay forever. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| The cadaver graft, apparently, as it's been explained to me, it just acts as a place for your own tissue to grow into it. | ||
| It's like a delivery system for your tissue to connect. | ||
| Yeah, sort of, like a little bridge. | ||
| And so the tendons will grow again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you sort of, you use, it grows in that graft. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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How long ago did he have the surgery? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, Dominic Cruz, I think he did it like nine months after the first surgery. | ||
| He blew it out. | ||
| And then now he blew it out. | ||
| When he blew it out, he got a surgery, was rehabbing, was training, blew it out again. | ||
| And then he had to go through a whole new surgery. | ||
| So, you know, that's why he was out for almost three years. | ||
| Then he just blew out his right knee. | ||
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Or his other knee. | |
| It wasn't... | ||
| Push it up to your face. | ||
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Were they saying it wasn't properly, like... | |
| No, the new one is a totally new injury. | ||
| Is he doing a triple like that? | ||
| Like the psychic injury that's there? | ||
| He's going to be nervous every shot he takes, every time he turns a court. | ||
| That can fuck a dude up. | ||
| Yeah, it could, but he bounced back better than ever. | ||
| And a three year layoff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is like, dudes are moving at light speed, you know what I mean? | ||
| The evolution of the sport is so fast. | ||
| He fucked Mitsugaki up though, man. | ||
| Destroyed him. | ||
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His style, his footwork, man. | |
| You need those knees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To be that quick and change those directions the way he does. | ||
| I'll tell you what though, the thing about Dora Cruz though, he's a beast as far as being an analyst. | ||
| On UFC tonight, he's a beast. | ||
| He has a gift, man. | ||
| He's really, really good at that. | ||
| He's got the glasses now too. | ||
|
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He's very studious. | |
| Very studious. | ||
|
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Are they both from the show or just this guy? | |
| They said both. | ||
| My boy Kelly is stone cold 37 just trying to do this. | ||
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One was 185 and one was 19. He said fuck it, let's do this. | |
| You've got to be around a while to be a four time Olympian. | ||
| Yeah, you're not going to be a young chicken. | ||
| They said, what, he's 37? | ||
| Yeah, 37. 37 and 29. That's a beautiful beard, Tom Johnson. | ||
| Ooh, is she gonna do the heart again? | ||
| Ooh, raise the roof! | ||
| She raised the roof and blew a kiss. | ||
| Oh, she did a different one. | ||
| She's switching it up. | ||
| Did she talk to other Octon girls? | ||
| She said, check this out. | ||
| I'm not like those refs that just stick with the same one when I switch it up. | ||
| She's gonna try it and she's gonna watch the tapes later and see which one was best. | ||
| I think she's going to get clowned for Raise the Roof. | ||
| That's some old school shit. | ||
| Dana's going to talk to her. | ||
| Bring that beat back. | ||
| Bring that beat back. | ||
| Dana's going to be like, step in my office. | ||
| You're fucking fired for Raise the Roof. | ||
| Craig Borsari is going to text her tonight. | ||
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watch look at he's He's laughing at him. | |
| Oh, he hit him with a right hand there, dude. | ||
| He hit him with a little short right hook there. | ||
| That right hand is low, son. | ||
| Well, he's catching him with that weird right hook over the top. | ||
| He's caught him like three times with that. | ||
| Look at that, dude. | ||
| I think my boy Kelly's trying to get a hold of him to take him to a cruise. | ||
| Yeah, but Kelly's eating some leather, man. | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| He's getting fucked up. | ||
| This guy in the red doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| He's laughing at him, dude. | ||
| That's got to fuck with your head a little bit. | ||
| I feel like that dude in the red has knocked a lot of dudes in the bar out. | ||
| He's got a weird right hook, man. | ||
| He's very confident. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Oh, dude. | |
| He's putting hammers on him. | ||
| He's fucking that dude up. | ||
| Kelly's real tentative with his shooting. | ||
| He's throwing the punches. | ||
| He's halfway getting there. | ||
| This guy's just target practicing. | ||
| He's keeping the same distance until he pops back a half a step and stays there. | ||
| Gets hit, pops back a half a step. | ||
| Oh, right there. | ||
| Bam. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Kelly's leaning on that front leg a lot. | ||
| Dude, Kelly's getting lit up. | ||
| Kelly might be what you call stiff. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Louises. | ||
| Is he stiff? | ||
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Looks like the game plan is to stand and bang, though, right? | |
| You see the Melvin Manhoof fight last night? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Ximinko, right? | ||
| Ximinko or some shit like that? | ||
| That's spinning. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| He forearmed him. | ||
| That was nasty. | ||
| Nobody's been knocked out more in the last two years than Melvin Manhoff. | ||
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It's insane. | |
| I think he came back too soon, man. | ||
| He just got knocked out by Joe Schilling. | ||
| Joe Schilling put him to slizzy just a couple months ago. | ||
| You know, those two guys, they brought a beautiful fight, though, man. | ||
| It was one of them was going to go in that round. | ||
| But, yeah, he came back too soon. | ||
| And then guys aren't doing any kind of... | ||
| Healthcare for their brains to come back and increase their recovery time or their speed or their timing or anything. | ||
| Ben, didn't you fight for Bellator? | ||
| Oh, Walsh got wobbled. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| You fought for Bellator, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was with them for almost three years. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| Kelly caught Walsh. | ||
| What's the biggest difference between them and the UFC as far as production-wise? | ||
| Is it a big difference or no? | ||
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Production-wise? | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Get on the mic. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| In the UFC, it's like fucking clockwork. | ||
| Burt has it down to the sides. | ||
| You fly in on Tuesday, you're signing posters. | ||
| You got interviews Wednesday, Thursday, Wayne's Friday, show Saturday. | ||
| Bellators like that? | ||
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I think they were a little rocky on some of that because the tournaments were happening so fast that I don't even think they had planned out what they were going to do as far as where's the venue, where's the next location. | |
| That's obviously a process. | ||
| I think sometimes it was like just making it, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Just making it happen. | |
| But they've stepped their game up, too, you know? | ||
| Scott Coker is doing it. | ||
| You came in there killing cats, man. | ||
| I was always watching when you fought. | ||
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No, thank you, man. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Bellator with all that Viacom money. | ||
| Coker's no joke either, man. | ||
| He obviously does something right. | ||
| And he's way better than anybody else out there. | ||
| I saw Lance Fedor at his signing. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Is he the Dana White of Bellator? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's the same position? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He used to work for the UFC, and they had a no-compete. | ||
| And then when he left the UFC, he's free to do whatever the fuck he wants, so then he signed with Bellator. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's good for everybody because the UFC likes him. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| Fighters like him. | ||
| It'll make a way more comfortable environment over there, and maybe they'll get some good fights. | ||
| And I think it's good. | ||
| I think competition is very important for the athletes. | ||
| I think it's the most important thing when it comes to bargaining power. | ||
| So all it's going to do is force everybody to step their game up, and ultimately, I believe, it'll make MMA more popular. | ||
| And that's the key. | ||
| The key is making it more popular, making it to the point where, Everybody makes a lot of money, and it's really close to becoming that. | ||
| And the way it's going to become that is if there's a bunch of fucking players, and everybody's like, you know, I'll give you X for a fight. | ||
| Well, I'll give you Y. All right, we got Z. Come here. | ||
| We got Z. Sign up here. | ||
| Damn, you lucky bitch. | ||
| You know, like, that's how it's got to be. | ||
| That's the only way the money gets tossed around adequately. | ||
| You know, it's like you need competition. | ||
| It's the only way the talent pool gets bigger, too, is if you have a lot of different varieties. | ||
| Guys can come up here, they can come up there. | ||
| But if you only have this one place where a guy's got to come up on the tough show or whatever your thing is. | ||
| It's like having the NFL with one team. | ||
| You know, the teams compete with each other. | ||
| They're like saying, come to our team and we'll give you this much money. | ||
| In all ways of evolution, it's got to be like that. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's just how it is, man. | ||
| It's just how it is with everything, man. | ||
| You need competition. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It makes everybody better. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| The problem with competition is people get scared of the competition when competition is the best goddamn thing that could happen to you. | ||
| Really, I mean, it's the fundamental thing. | ||
| It doesn't mean anybody's mad at you. | ||
| It doesn't mean any of that. | ||
| It means everybody's going to get better together. | ||
| Without that, you don't have any. | ||
| Not only that, you don't cancel each other out. | ||
| And didn't you get into this because you're a fan of fighting in the first place? | ||
| What, is someone making money somehow or another? | ||
| You're not making money? | ||
| Is that really what's going on? | ||
| Because I don't think it is. | ||
| We're talking about someone making money, and you're making money too. | ||
| From a fighter standpoint, competition's great. | ||
| If you're Dana White, I don't think... | ||
| It makes everybody more money. | ||
| I really believe so. | ||
| I believe everybody gets more money if the sport gets more popular. | ||
| I think if you've got two giant promotions, if you've got one, say, Floyd Mayweather promotion and one Manny Pacquiao promotion, and everybody on one side, you bring them together and you make fucking 1.5 million pay-per-view buys like those guys will probably do. | ||
| I mean, that's how everybody gets money. | ||
| I mean, you're giving up... | ||
| But think about that. | ||
| That's like each one is 750, right? | ||
| How often do pay-per-views in the UFC hit 750? | ||
| They don't that often. | ||
| If it's not George St. Pierre, if it's not Brock Lesnar, you know, it's hard to get those big numbers, you know, because times are hard. | ||
| People don't want to pony up that kind of money on a regular basis. | ||
| What are the three biggest pay-per-views? | ||
| We're watching this fight for free. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The UFC. The three biggest pay-per-views. | ||
| Bellator and UFC, that's it. | ||
| Everything else is like their feeder organizations. | ||
| You're saying which UFC biggest pay-per-views? | ||
| The top three UFCs ever. | ||
| Brock Lesnar was number one? | ||
| Number one? | ||
| Yes, Brock Lesnar was number one. | ||
| Brock Lesnar was number one. | ||
| We've never had a Brock Lesnar. | ||
| He fucking killed the game. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| That's that WWE. Not even Anderson Silva or GSP could top of Brock? | ||
| GSP. GSP was close. | ||
| What show was it? | ||
| How about when he fought Randy Couture for the title? | ||
| That had to be giant. | ||
| That had to be the biggest one. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Brock's the biggest star we've ever had. | ||
| So isn't he coming back? | ||
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Is he? | |
| What's going on? | ||
| There's all sorts of talk, but I don't know. | ||
| You know, there's all sorts of talk. | ||
| I've heard a lot of talk about Gina Carano. | ||
| We can't talk over each other. | ||
| People are listening. | ||
| There's no way this is going to work. | ||
| If we were listening on headphones, this would be way better, but I want to avoid the headphones. | ||
| We just got to be careful with that shit. | ||
| I think you guys are all doing great. | ||
| What were you saying about Gina Carano, though? | ||
| Oh, Gina Carano was supposed to come back? | ||
| I mean, that was the talk. | ||
| I kept hearing it. | ||
| I heard it from, like, agents. | ||
| I heard, like, there was negotiations. | ||
| I heard a lot of shit, and then nothing happened. | ||
| So you don't know. | ||
| I don't think the Brock Lesnar thing has gotten that far. | ||
| But all I'm hearing is rumors. | ||
| Everybody's tight-lipped. | ||
| But, you know, you're hearing people saying that Brock's been training. | ||
| That he's losing weight. | ||
| He's slimming down. | ||
| I took some heat. | ||
| I took some heat. | ||
| People thought I called Brock Lesnar out, and I didn't. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| Yeah, what happened with that? | ||
| I sent you a text with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what happened. | ||
| This is old, too. | ||
| Six months ago, I did an interview with the UFC. It was 20 questions. | ||
| One was like, what do you prefer, ketchup or mustard? | ||
| This is what kind of bullshit we're talking about. | ||
| 20 questions. | ||
| Ketchup or mustard? | ||
| I said, anyone who says mustard is part of ISIS. Like, every American is going to choose fucking ketchup. | ||
| You know, like, joking around. | ||
| Then question number 15 goes... | ||
| Who would you rather see come back, GSP or Brock Lesnar? | ||
| I said, oh, well, GSP's my boy. | ||
| I'd love if GSP came back. | ||
| But being a heavyweight, I'd love if Brock Lesnar came back because he's the biggest star we've ever had. | ||
| And they go, oh, would you like to fight him? | ||
| And I went, well, yeah, he's the biggest star ever. | ||
| That'd be great if he came back. | ||
| Yeah, I'd fight him. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Six months later... | ||
| What about you saying about sending him go back to playing grab ass? | ||
| Well, that's just me making a joke. | ||
| I go, yeah, if he wants to come to UFC and he's tired of playing grab ass in the WWE, getting paid to fake fight, and he wants to come back to UFC, I'd love to fight him. | ||
| You gotta hear it, too, instead of seeing it written, right? | ||
| For sure, it looks horrible written. | ||
| Dude, that bullshit when they write it out, I'm like, that's my friend. | ||
| That's not what they meant, man. | ||
| That was six months ago. | ||
| Then UFC tonight, like, whatever, four or five weeks ago, goes, Brendan Schaub calls out Brock Lesnar. | ||
| First of all, he's retired. | ||
| I never called him out. | ||
| They just needed content. | ||
| So then the Brock Lesnar train is crazy, man. | ||
| His fans came after me like fucking crazy. | ||
| Hurt my feelings. | ||
| I had to put a statement out. | ||
| It's like, yo, man, come on, take it easy. | ||
| Fuck's sakes. | ||
| How many misspelled tweets did you get? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Dude, I'd never seen hate. | ||
| Like, when I was shitting on, like, Tony Hinchcliffe is a crazy pro wrestling fan. | ||
| And so when he was on the podcast, mostly just to rile him up, I was just shitting on pro wrestling. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just dumping on him. | ||
| And the tsunami of poorly written tweets that came my way was like, what is this? | ||
| I had to, like, get my head above water and try to figure out what all these extra words are. | ||
| They're not kids either. | ||
| Letters that are in the wrong place. | ||
| I love the way Ari would deal with hate mail. | ||
| I just was with him one night and he's just going through it. | ||
| Every time the guy would send him something, he would just send him the corrections of the previous thing. | ||
| Like, you're getting way better. | ||
| Nice punctuation. | ||
| And it was just this whole fucking list of corrections of his... | ||
| In like a scripted email? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Like the dude saying, you suck, spelled with two K's. | ||
| But in one though, on a lot, like Facebook? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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| Bro, I had grown men coming at me. | ||
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Like, bro, you're 50 defending the WWE. I'll tell you what, Brock Lesnar's America. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You shit on Brock Lesnar, you shitting on America. | ||
| That's how it is, yeah. | ||
| He's the champion. | ||
| I like this dude. | ||
| When he would fight and all the wrestlers, they would all come out. | ||
| They would all come out and watch him. | ||
| There's a whole front line of them. | ||
| They're like, yeah, like Stone Cold and Goldberg and all those guys are there. | ||
| No, Brock's a monster, man. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| He's great for the sport. | ||
| He'd be great if he came back. | ||
| Well, I really still to this day... | ||
| Oh, nice left hand by Kelly. | ||
| I still to this day think that if Brock Lesnar did it the right way, like if Brock Lesnar went and instead of doing WWE for all those years and not striking and then... | ||
| Going into the UFC and immediately fighting the best guys in the world after one professional fight. | ||
| They took Brock Lesnar and brought him to an American top team. | ||
| Like one of those professional camps. | ||
| Or Black Zillions or AKA. Something like that. | ||
| Where they're going to take you and they're going to take you through every step of the way. | ||
| Like Matt Hume would have been the guy. | ||
| Eric Paulson essentially did what he could when he had him. | ||
| But I think a guy like Brock Lesnar should have been brought along slowly. | ||
| He's got the potential. | ||
| the potential to be the biggest heavyweight ever. | ||
| I mean, I know he did. | ||
| He did a lot of that, but I'm saying do it over years. | ||
| The other thing is how difficult it is to get training for a guy of that skill set and that size. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like you almost need to condition him and get him tighter before you would train with a guy like that. | ||
| Well, first of all, but his issue is striking. | ||
| There's a lot of big guys in Holland. | ||
| You go down to Holland and spar with Daniel Gita all day, you're going to learn some shit. | ||
| Not only that, you can just do mitt. | ||
| I'm a real believer in like, if you already spar a lot, then great. | ||
| You know you're tough already. | ||
| There's no need to do that twice a week. | ||
| Go ahead and hit mitts. | ||
| Get a good trainer. | ||
| Hit mitts all the time. | ||
| Your fucking timing will be there. | ||
| Put that shit together. | ||
| We already know you're not afraid to get hit. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| That's the best way to do it, I think. | ||
| Well, I think that guys who are going to take you like Dwayne Ludwig style through drills that simulate each individual position that you're going to be in. | ||
| This is your response to that position. | ||
| This is how you get back. | ||
| This is your setup again. | ||
| Rob Kamen was really good about that. | ||
| And Brandon Vera, when he first started training with Rob Kamen, you saw Rob Kamen's system in Brandon when he was fighting. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Him, Dwayne, I think Six Gun Gibson, and Mike Winklejohn. | ||
| Brandon Gibson, man, he's phenomenal. | ||
| You see the video he did with the elbows with Kyle? | ||
| He's so innovative, and he's so thoughtful about it. | ||
| All he's got is love and care for those guys, and then he puts that into them, and he puts the routines together. | ||
| Man, they're fucking fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of good trainers out there, man. | ||
| There's a lot of guys out there that are showing guys some real high-level stuff, and you're seeing striking combinations, especially if you look at TJ Dillashaw versus Hennon Burrell. | ||
| When was the fucking last time we ever saw a guy go from being T.J. Dillashaw in The Ultimate Fighter to, what, two and a half, three years later, being this super fluid, bad motherfucker kickboxer? | ||
| I mean, you look at him moving around, shuffling, switching stances, like, popping him with straight lefts from the fucking southpaw stance, and then hitting him with an inside leg kick, and you're like, whoa, this is literally not the same dude that he was three years ago. | ||
| You're going to see more and more of that. | ||
| How about your boy Duke Rufus with CM Punk? | ||
| First of all, Duke Rufus did a great job with Tyron Woodley. | ||
| Woodley settled down. | ||
| He didn't empty his gas tank in his last fight. | ||
| With Calvin? | ||
| With Calvin Gastelum. | ||
| Yeah, you like that one? | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| I mean, it wasn't the worst fight in the world. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| Woodley broke his foot in the first round. | ||
| You know that? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He broke his fucking foot in the first round. | ||
| You never knew it. | ||
| He just moved around like nothing. | ||
| But what I liked about it is he showed patience in that fight. | ||
| Like, you've seen him in fights before where he explodes and he empties the gas tank in the first round, and then he has a hard time in the second and third. | ||
| Like, he was way more patient. | ||
| Like, you could almost see Duke, you know, in Duke's style influencing him slightly. | ||
| How do you think CM Punk's gonna do? | ||
| I don't think we have any idea. | ||
| I don't think we have any idea. | ||
| If I watch the guy do anything other than throw some kicks, which is all I've ever seen, I saw him throw some kicks and I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that he was just playing around and that he actually kicks better than that because there's some backstage WWE thing where he's throwing roundhouse kicks on a wrestling mat. | ||
| And I don't understand it. | ||
| I mean, it's either he was playing around or he just started doing karate like a week ago. | ||
| Or you don't understand it and he's going to mystify people. | ||
| Well, or he's just fucking around because he's a showman and that's, you know, when he's doing those things backstage, he's not trying to show everybody he's the ultimate badass. | ||
| He's being an entertainer. | ||
| Is there any word on who he's going to fight? | ||
| No word. | ||
| Nor is there word on a timetable, like when he's going to fight. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| They did have an opponent for him. | ||
| The guy who fought Mickey Rourke last... | ||
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Eddie Bravo gives it away in his face. | |
| As soon as he said the guy who fought, I know him so well, I could see the laugh being suppressed. | ||
| You think it's good for the sport, Joe? | ||
| CM Punk? | ||
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No. | |
| I think it's good for the sport. | ||
| This is what I think. | ||
| I don't think it's good for the sport just if he goes in there and, you know, he fights and people watch because he's famous. | ||
| I think people will pay attention. | ||
| But it's not necessarily good for the sport if they're just paying attention because he's CM Punk. | ||
| However, I think it is good for the sport if he truly has a real desire to become a professional mixed martial arts fighter. | ||
| This isn't just a money-making scam. | ||
| This isn't just a publicity scam. | ||
| This isn't just a one-time thing. | ||
| This is a guy who at X age, 36 or whatever it is, has decided, you know what? | ||
| I want a new chapter in my life, and that new chapter is I want to try my hand 100% committed to professional fighting. | ||
| I think that's what he's doing. | ||
| Then it's good, but it's only good if he's got talent. | ||
| He's got no time frame to get that skill set. | ||
| Yeah, we don't know. | ||
| We literally don't know. | ||
| No wrestling background, no striking background. | ||
| No competition background. | ||
| He doesn't even know if he likes to compete. | ||
| There's no way he's got enough time. | ||
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He does jiu-jitsu, but we might as well sign fucking George Clooney if he likes to. | |
| Has he been to the Pan Ams? | ||
| Does he even know if he likes to go through a key of eight guys that he's going to have to compete? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| When I say he does Jiu-Jitsu, he was doing Jiu-Jitsu on the road because Henner is married to Eve Torres, who's the WWE Diva Champion. | ||
| So he was on the road with Eve all the time. | ||
| So CM Punk and Henner would work, you know, once a month together. | ||
| So you're doing pretend Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Did you say once a month? | ||
| Maybe once a month, maybe twice. | ||
| That might be too much. | ||
| In a bunch on the fucking floor. | ||
| Depends what you're on. | ||
| Here's an armbar. | ||
| And check this choke out. | ||
| It's like, fuck up. | ||
| You know when you show a girl something you're dating, you show her a triangle just so she can get her next boyfriend in a triangle. | ||
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True. | |
| And you just like piss on her, you know what I mean? | ||
| And then they think they know jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It is Valentine's Day. | ||
| Eddie, bro, it's Valentine's Day. | ||
| I know jiu-jitsu. | ||
| You know what a triangle is, bitch? | ||
| You don't know what... | ||
| And then... | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| My ex-boyfriend taught me jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to put you in a fucking triangle. | ||
| I remember I showed an ex-girlfriend a long time ago, a triangle. | ||
| And she was so obsessed with it. | ||
| We're just lying in bed. | ||
| I'm trying to watch Howard Stern on E! And she's trying to put me in a triangle. | ||
| And I'm like, fucking God, can you stop? | ||
| Can you stop? | ||
| And she's like, ah! | ||
| She's laughing. | ||
| I'm like, I'm really trying to watch this fucking show. | ||
| And she's like, ah! | ||
| She's just trying to get me in a fucking triangle. | ||
| And she puts me in a triangle. | ||
| I go, you're going to start crying. | ||
| You are definitely going to start crying. | ||
| She goes, ah! | ||
| She's giggling. | ||
| So I fucking, you know, I defend. | ||
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So she puts me in a triangle, and I said, you are gonna start crying! | |
| So I picked her up, I stood up, just like Arona Rampage, and I picked her up, and I was gonna slam her on the bed. | ||
| It wasn't gonna hurt her, it's the fucking bed. | ||
| So I slammed her on the bed, but on the bed! | ||
| On the bed! | ||
| On the bed. | ||
| So I picked her up, slammed her on the bed. | ||
| You might want to stop this right now. | ||
| She let go of the triangle, but she bounced off the bed and landed on the floor. | ||
| And she, like, tweaked her wrist and she starts crying. | ||
| She's like, oh, you broke my wrist. | ||
| She runs to the bathroom. | ||
| And I'm like, oh my god. | ||
| So I, like, strolled and I said, I told you you were going to start crying. | ||
| And she has hot water running under her wrist. | ||
| And you didn't have to rampage at all, bro. | ||
| Jesus Christ, dude. | ||
| Let's go to the emergency room right now. | ||
| She goes, I go, come on, it's probably broken. | ||
| She goes, no, it's not broken. | ||
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It's not broken. | |
| So I'm like, okay. | ||
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I said, I'm just trying to watch the fuck up because I'm watching Howard Stern trying to learn. | |
| Okay, let's go cut it off. | ||
| Let's get it removed. | ||
| No, no, no, it's good. | ||
| She would always exaggerate. | ||
| I told her to stop with the fucking triangle. | ||
| I'm trying to watch T. He's like, no, imagine if there's a firefighter behind you. | ||
| Stop with the title. | ||
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What if that would have went to court as a domestic violence dispute? | |
| What if that would have... | ||
| Right now you just fucked up. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Talked about it on the internet. | ||
| That chick's gonna come out of the woodwork with a tie on. | ||
| It was 15 years ago. | ||
| I was a purple belt. | ||
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What did I know? | |
| I was a purple belt. | ||
| Don't give a timeline. | ||
| Don't give a timeline. | ||
| I'll sue the machanos. | ||
| Goddammit, dude. | ||
| Do not give a timeline out. | ||
| Don't say when it happened. | ||
| You should sue Hoyce. | ||
| I think you meant 20 years ago. | ||
| Because he was your inspiration. | ||
| I never hit her. | ||
| I just used triangle escape. | ||
| Wow, that seems weird. | ||
| Well, we weren't paying attention. | ||
| He didn't win any fans. | ||
| He landed more strikes. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 121 to 89. You know what, man? | ||
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How they count that, I would like to see. | |
| Well, that's true. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| How about that's the move of the fight? | ||
| The move of the fight is a half a jab to the face. | ||
| The move of the fight? | ||
| The move of the fight is him getting hit. | ||
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What? | |
| That was amazing. | ||
| That was a tricky punch. | ||
| Well, we don't know what happened in that fight. | ||
| Honestly, we really weren't watching that fight. | ||
| No, definitely. | ||
| We watched some key moments in the beginning where he was getting hit by right hooks. | ||
| Tay, look. | ||
| That's part of his success. | ||
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You could use that for an argument. | |
| Yeah, shoot. | ||
| You know what? | ||
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Damn. | |
| It's their stomping grounds. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Eddie's a-looking. | ||
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He's a-liking. | |
| Damn. | ||
| Eddie's a-looking. | ||
| He's a-liking. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| She might be pretty good. | ||
| Alright. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It makes the fight more interesting now. | ||
| One of her fights, there's a clip of her. | ||
| When she won, she screamed. | ||
| And it's this fucking primal roar. | ||
| That it's like, it's one of the craziest screams I've ever heard come out of a woman's mouth. | ||
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Can we find that, Jamie? | |
| Can we find that? | ||
| I bet it. | ||
| I bet if you just Google Kat Zingano scream. | ||
| Watch, I'll find it right here. | ||
| Jamie's like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| I don't take orders from you. | ||
| That's what Red Bad used to do when I would say that. | ||
| He wouldn't do shit. | ||
| I'd go, Red Bad, find that video! | ||
| He wouldn't move. | ||
| He'd just ignore me. | ||
| Because I want to listen to Joe. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
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Fuck that Eddie guy. | |
| This Kat Zingano smacks a drunk guy. | ||
| Kat Zingano scream... | ||
| Scream... | ||
| I'm not motivated enough to look for it. | ||
| Oh my god, you're the one who brought it up! | ||
| It was amazing! | ||
| There's no way I'm going to find it. | ||
| You got me interested, man. | ||
| It worked. | ||
| I'm just talking about an instance after a fight where she screamed. | ||
| I'm not going to watch the end of every one of her fights. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe it's just like a 15 second clip. | ||
| It probably is. | ||
| It's just not on YouTube as Kat Zingano scream yet. | ||
| Maybe it'll be now after this. | ||
| It will be after this. | ||
| Someone will probably hear it. | ||
| Somehow I have faith that Jamie's going to find that motherfucking scream. | ||
| I have faith he's not. | ||
| I have faith that he is. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's on it right now. | ||
| He's on Yahoo search. | ||
| I don't remember who it was, man. | ||
| It might have been Emmanuel Nunez, who was her last fight. | ||
| But when she won, she fucking roared, dude. | ||
| What if she just went, ah! | ||
| She roared like an animal. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| No, it was like she's an animal. | ||
| It was like primal. | ||
| Damn, powerful Kate Hudson. | ||
| Are those real? | ||
| Girls talk shit about her. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
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Why? | |
| They go, oh, she's got a thick waist. | ||
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She's kind of fat. | |
| Oh, she's kind of fat. | ||
| Listen, that's what guys like. | ||
| We like girls a little bit fat. | ||
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No, but the hips to waist ratio is nuts. | |
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| No, no, no, you're right. | ||
| Because she was in that one movie with the third girl. | ||
| That's some gay Hollywood talk. | ||
| You little boy. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
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No. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
|
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That's true. | |
| She's very pretty. | ||
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It is huge. | |
| She's a thick girl. | ||
| I learned it from you, Dad. | ||
| She's perfect. | ||
| But, you know, if you're going to break it down for real, like, man, you look... | ||
| She doesn't have a... | ||
| Like them chicks... | ||
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Right. | |
| Do you follow, like, squat guides on IG and you see that there's... | ||
| Just follow Brendan Schatz's Instagram. | ||
| That's a different kind of ass, you know what I mean? | ||
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What's going on? | |
| We're talking about hip-to-ass ratio in girls. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, just follow Brendon Schubbs and go, oh, yeah, there you go. | ||
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You're right, though. | |
| You're right. | ||
| No, no, she's a little thick. | ||
| I thought that you would automatically agree with me. | ||
| Kate Hudson got a little... | ||
| Kate Hudson's boxy, son. | ||
| Yeah, she's a little thick. | ||
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It's like a straight line. | |
| It's not good. | ||
| No, she doesn't have, like, those sexy curves. | ||
| She's boxy. | ||
| Not sexy. | ||
| That's what Justin said. | ||
| You don't think she's sexy? | ||
| No, she's not sexy at all. | ||
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I've seen her. | |
| Oh yeah, Kate Upton. | ||
| She has some tig old biddies, though. | ||
| Tig old biddies. | ||
| They're real, too. | ||
| She has a boxy build, though. | ||
| I don't think she's that sexy. | ||
| Like a sausage, right? | ||
| You say they are real as if that's a good thing. | ||
| A refrigerator. | ||
| What? | ||
| They're real big, and they're real. | ||
| Real doesn't seem to be like the... | ||
| It's not the in thing anymore, is it? | ||
| I don't feel like that's a benefit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm like, they got a better way. | ||
| I agree, man. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| You like fake asses though? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Man, that's so bad. | ||
| You know the thing that I'm mad about it is because the fucking legs are like little twig legs and then you've got this huge ridiculous ass. | ||
| Get your fucking life right, girl. | ||
| Do something different. | ||
| See, because if you're born with small titties, there's nothing you can do physically to grow those titties. | ||
| Get fake titties. | ||
| Your ass, just do some squats for a couple years and watch what the fuck you eat. | ||
| All it's showing is that you're a lazy bitch. | ||
| Any girl can reshape her body. | ||
| Correct? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Some of it's genetics. | ||
| You can do all the squats you want. | ||
| If you have a flat ass like Mr. Burns, you ain't getting a bubble butt. | ||
| With the correct squats and Samba? | ||
| Zumba? | ||
| What about Zumba? | ||
| Zumba's not good? | ||
| If you pay attention to it with nutrition, powerlifting, some shit, I think you could do it. | ||
| Who's to say? | ||
| I mean, if this bitch went ham on a CrossFit program, squats and nutrition, I guess. | ||
| And just shot testosterone right into the glutes. | ||
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Bah! | |
| Well, now you're talking. | ||
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Directly. | |
| On each side, you alternate. | ||
| That might do it. | ||
| Ask the trainer, Doug. | ||
| Right? | ||
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What do you think? | |
| If I bring a girl with a straight, flat ass Mr. Burns style, you can give her a bubble butt? | ||
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Yeah, because there's different body types. | |
| You know, there's like ectomorphic. | ||
| There's different body types. | ||
| Is there before and after for just butts? | ||
| Like flatness and curvature and all that stuff. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, and I've seen some pretty crazy before and after shots, for sure. | |
| Based on ass and hips to waist ratio and all that. | ||
| There's nothing worse than a flat ass. | ||
| There's nothing worse. | ||
| So good. | ||
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I agree with you. | |
| What a fucking guy. | ||
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Can't talk over each other. | |
| While you're eating chips on the mic. | ||
| You are destroying those chips, though. | ||
| You're destroying those. | ||
| Good, huh? | ||
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Are those the salt and vinegar ones? | |
| Those are good. | ||
| You want a pepper? | ||
| I have the same ones here. | ||
| How does it feel when you first started not doing UFCs? | ||
| The first shows where they started branching out and using... | ||
| I like watching. | ||
| I like commentary, but I like watching, too. | ||
| If for whatever reason, I never worked for the UFC again, I would probably watch just as many fights. | ||
| I'm pretty close. | ||
| I wouldn't watch the prelims as much, like the early prelims, because I just don't have six hours on most days to be watching fights. | ||
| But for recreation purposes, like how much do I enjoy it? | ||
| I fucking love watching the fights on TV. I like the fact that I don't have to go anywhere. | ||
| I'm home. | ||
| Hanging out with my friends, having a couple of beers, watching fights. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I mean, I love working for the UFC, but I love watching, too. | ||
| I wouldn't mind at all if I didn't do it again. | ||
| I'd rather do this than sit front row at any live event. | ||
| That's fine, man. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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How often do you actually re-watch a show you just... | |
| Occasionally, I watch big fights or big moments, something that was really special to me. | ||
| There's been some fights where I watched the same fight two, three times in a row just to see wild transitions or some shit. | ||
| Depending on what the fight was like, what was going on in the fight that was so interesting. | ||
| Powerful Neil Magny. | ||
| Neil Magny. | ||
| There's your boy. | ||
| Up in this pitch. | ||
| The gazelle. | ||
| Up in this bitch. | ||
| On that tough contract. | ||
| Gotta work that motherfucker off. | ||
| Struggle's real on that tough contract. | ||
| Struggle's real. | ||
| Tell us about it. | ||
| Tell us about it. | ||
| I mean, I was fighting Noguera for eight and eight. | ||
| Went down to Brazil, got my ass whooped, came back on the plane. | ||
| Is that eight million? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Eight grand and eight grand. | ||
| Eight thousand dollars. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Just stop and think of that. | ||
| Go to South America and fight a world champion. | ||
| He's a world champion. | ||
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Legend. | |
| Noguera is the fucking first guy ever that was a heavyweight that had a wicked guard. | ||
| I mean, Noguera is the former pride champion. | ||
| Legendary wars. | ||
| He fucking armbarred Bob Sapp in one of the craziest fights the world has ever known. | ||
| You're fighting him for $8,000. | ||
| And guess who didn't give a fuck? | ||
| This guy. | ||
| Super cocky, too. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
| Then I fought Krokop for 10 and 10. After taxes on that Noguera fight, you're looking at like 2,800. | ||
| Yeah, no, I basically paid to fight Noguera. | ||
| I was like, thank you, sir. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| Yeah, I fought Krokop. | ||
| I think it was 10 and 10. Then after that fight, I had to have reconstructive nose surgery. | ||
| What did Krokop make that fight? | ||
| He got paid. | ||
| Paid. | ||
| Had a fanny pack on and no fucks given. | ||
| I was like, cool, you won, man. | ||
| Nice bonus check. | ||
| He got paid. | ||
| It's Crow Cop. | ||
| He deserves to get paid. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I didn't deserve that money at the time. | ||
| You know, I think I had four fights in the UFC, five fights in the UFC. You gotta get your nose fixed. | ||
| Reconstructive nose surgery after Cro Cop. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| He hit me with an elbow and it shattered my nose. | ||
| Like completely shattered everything in my nose. | ||
| Second round too. | ||
| I was like, why the fuck am I so tired? | ||
| I'm in great shape. | ||
| And I couldn't breathe out of my nose. | ||
| Blood just going gushing down my throat. | ||
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How did they fix it? | |
| What did they have to do? | ||
| They went in. | ||
| They put like some mesh thing in it because all the bones were so fractured and like tiny fractures. | ||
| Put some mesh thing in it. | ||
| I was trying to get a legit nose job. | ||
| I was like, yo, Doc, take a little off the tip while I'm under the knife, Doug. | ||
| Makes me look sick. | ||
| He's like, nah, that's not what I do. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want him to give you some weird fucking Michael Jackson nose. | ||
| But then they put these brackets up there and stitched them in so it wouldn't move. | ||
| I had to chill like that for six weeks. | ||
| It was the most pain I've ever been in. | ||
| Popping painkillers every day. | ||
| Got addicted to them. | ||
| I got addicted to them. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Because I had a doctor who was like, oh, I'm cool, I'm hip, here's 200 OxyContin. | ||
| I was like, hell yeah. | ||
| Got the things taken out, next thing I know I'm still filling the prescription. | ||
| Pop them every single day, didn't even notice. | ||
| Finally a buddy had to come to the house and take them from me. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| It was some intervention shit. | ||
| How many were you taking a day? | ||
| Probably six. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oxycontins? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| For how long? | ||
| This was right after I fought Crow Cop. | ||
| I had like 10, 11 month layoff because of it. | ||
| And then I fought Nogara after that. | ||
| So you had a 10, 11 month layoff because of Oxycontin addiction? | ||
| No, because I had a nose job. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But how long did the Oxycontin addiction kick in? | ||
| Uh... | ||
| I was probably doing it hardcore for like four months. | ||
| Four months? | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Then my best friend, Joe Klopfenstein, came over and took him from me. | ||
| What kind of stupid shit were you doing on it where they had to intervene? | ||
| They just knew. | ||
| I was taking them non-stop. | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| How are you acting? | ||
| They must have been... | ||
| Because if you were just normal like this, people wouldn't even notice. | ||
| No, I wasn't normal like this because I'm not a... | ||
| Were you late everywhere? | ||
| Were you sleeping all day? | ||
| I think I was just out of it all the time. | ||
| Like, out of it. | ||
| You know, I'm a guy who talks a lot. | ||
| I think I was just kind of like this fucking asshole who just like chilled. | ||
| I was like a vegetable. | ||
| Mopey, just laying around. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| I was super depressed on him. | ||
| After you take him, I got super depressed. | ||
| How was it coming off of him? | ||
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Horrible. | |
| How did it feel? | ||
| Super itchy. | ||
| I was real irritable all the time. | ||
| And now I got a fight with Noguera. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| It must have been great. | ||
| So you fought Noguera after you got off of the pills? | ||
| How long after? | ||
| You'd have to look at the timetable. | ||
| I'm sure people can look it up. | ||
| Not far after. | ||
| So I went off those painkillers, fired my striking coach. | ||
| This is how stupid I was as a young fighter. | ||
| I was so sure I was going to knock Nogueira out. | ||
| I didn't even go to Brazil with a striking coach. | ||
| I was just like, nah, I don't need one. | ||
| I'm going to knock him out. | ||
| Damn, the pills fucked your head up sideways. | ||
| Fuck me up. | ||
| That's a crazy thing that a doctor could just start prescribing them like that. | ||
| Isn't it weird? | ||
| Like, you don't have to go to them to get your pill. | ||
| Like, you could just take all 200 at once. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Do whatever you want. | ||
| You can do whatever you want. | ||
| I mean, that's one of the weirdest things about, like, doctors giving you pills. | ||
| I've had surgery since. | ||
| Like, on my hand, uh, they gave them my neck. | ||
| After Trash Brown fight, they gave me something for my neck. | ||
| I don't take them anymore. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I don't even fill the prescription. | ||
| You just, they take it? | ||
| You just say, I'd rather have the pain. | ||
| Yeah, I'll deal with the pain. | ||
| I've had three surgeries and I don't take them. | ||
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I've got them in the house, but I don't fuck with them at all. | |
| You've had issues with substances in the past too. | ||
| But I figure it's a trick anyway. | ||
| It makes your mind pretend you're somewhere else. | ||
| The pain's still all there. | ||
| It's like a distraction. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck it, I'll freeze it out with ice or I'll take extra Tylenol or whatever pain and I'll just fucking get through it. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Do you still have those pills though? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I went through both my knee surgeries with no pills, no nothing. | ||
| Because when I had my ACL done, the first knee surgery on my left knee, they gave me, I don't remember what it was. | ||
| Was it Vicodin or Percocet? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I wound up selling them at the pool hall. | ||
| But I took one hit, and I was so out of it, I was like, I'd rather have the pain. | ||
| I'd rather have the pain. | ||
| Oh, I love that thing. | ||
| Oh, I don't like it at all. | ||
| I don't like it at all. | ||
| I say I don't like it at all, but I used to fucking love NyQuil. | ||
| The real NyQuil with codeine. | ||
| I remember when I was a little kid and just going into a hallucinogenic state off that. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Dude, I took it once. | ||
| Dreamy. | ||
| The last time I took it, it was more than 10 years ago, but I was sick, and I got ahold of someone before they took the codeine out, and I just felt like shit. | ||
| I was like, what do we got? | ||
| I got some NyQuil. | ||
| I'll take this. | ||
| I hadn't taken it since I was a kid. | ||
| And I just melted into that bed. | ||
| That's that scissor. | ||
| I was so happy. | ||
| Before the rappers made it famous. | ||
| That's that little Wayne scissor. | ||
| I felt so good. | ||
| I felt so good. | ||
| I'll drink some of that shit right now, I'm not gonna lie to you guys. | ||
| How's your boy Neil Magny? | ||
| You would drink some syrup, but you won't fuck with some Oxycontins. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I like how you think. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| One of them put a hook in them, the other didn't yet. | ||
| Neil Magdy's looking good, man. | ||
| He's so active. | ||
| Neil, at this altitude, his cardio is going to be beastly. | ||
| His cardio is always nasty. | ||
| Lives up here, trains up here, and he's got a style where he never, like, he's not burning out any fast twitch muscle fibers. | ||
| He stays on you at like a 75% pace always, you know? | ||
| His biggest thing is confidence, man. | ||
| He's getting more confidence. | ||
| He's always had the skill. | ||
| It's just confidence. | ||
| The only thing that's missing with Neil Magny is knockout power. | ||
| You know what's missing? | ||
| He's just not mean. | ||
| He's just not mean. | ||
| I nicknamed him the fucking Gazelle. | ||
| I mean Gazelle doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body. | ||
| That's why I nicknamed him the Gazelle. | ||
| But he's a very competent fighter. | ||
| He definitely knows how to fight. | ||
| Huge reach, good cardio. | ||
| He's a beast, man. | ||
| He's a smart fighter. | ||
| He fights very smart. | ||
| Very smart. | ||
| Yeah, he's one of those dudes that's on a win streak that nobody's talking about. | ||
| No one talks about it. | ||
| I think he's on a seven fight? | ||
| Six. | ||
| Six fight winning streak? | ||
| I think it's a B7, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's amazing. | ||
| In this division? | ||
| Well, he's on the main card, so someone's talking about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's in Boston. | ||
| Or he's in Denver, rather. | ||
| He's in Denver, yeah. | ||
| It's a fight night. | ||
| He lives in Denver. | ||
| Yeah, he lives there. | ||
| He lived with Nate Marcart forever, man. | ||
| I think he got his own place now. | ||
| He better get his own place. | ||
| What did you think about Nate's last fight? | ||
| Is that hard to watch? | ||
| Super hard to watch. | ||
| I sent him a text and said, hey, I need you to come in for a podcast with Joe Rogan. | ||
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That's what I told him. | |
| No, I'm just kidding, man. | ||
| No, but for reals, though. | ||
| I think you'd be surprised. | ||
| You'd be surprised, son! | ||
| Joe's like, I've learned and evolved through this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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You know what, though, man? | |
| That's the thing you tell fighters. | ||
| I think it's time to go on Joe's podcast. | ||
| That's what I tell him, man. | ||
| I wouldn't do it unless I loved him. | ||
| It's tough for me to watch, man, with Nate especially. | ||
| Nate was my hero, man. | ||
| I missed that fight. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| He just looked bad. | ||
| Well, Brad Tavares looked really fucking good. | ||
| To not take anything away from Nate, I think Nate's a really good fighter, but Brad Tavares is becoming something special right now. | ||
| I get that, but Nate Markhart, a young Nate, Nate in his prime, was a fucking beast, man. | ||
| We're the best ever. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He's a very good fighter. | ||
| If you watch the combination that he finished Tyron Woodley off with in Strikeforce when he won the title, dude, that's some video game shit. | ||
| He looked beautiful. | ||
| Look, Nate, it's been around a long time. | ||
| He's been fighting since he was 17. You know who gave me insight into Nate is you when you told me that he was one of his main sparring partners was Shane Carwin. | ||
| It was me and Shane. | ||
| There's only three of us every day in the gym. | ||
| What? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But just thinking someone fighting at 170 who spars with Shaycar, I mean, maybe it was 185 at the time, but when Nate was fighting at 185, he wasn't really cutting any weight. | ||
| No, he walked around like 192. Yeah. | ||
| But he was fighting with Shane, who walked around at 280. Me, I was 240 at the time. | ||
| Did you just say what number? | ||
| What was that number? | ||
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280? | |
| Shane was a solid 280. That hurts my face. | ||
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That's like the greatest training partner to work on footwork. | |
| That's how I got all my footwork. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good for your brain. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's really not good for your brain. | ||
| Keith was saying it was the hardest he'd ever been hit. | ||
| He's in a clinch, and he's got an underhook, and he says, just this far away, and he's like, and fucking bell rung. | ||
| Nobody hits like Shane. | ||
| Keith used to stand and bang with Shane. | ||
| I'd be like, look at this, dude. | ||
| Not good, man. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| That explains a lot. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| All of us are just punchy as fuck? | ||
| No, I mean, just stop and think about everybody that Shane Carwin is sparred with. | ||
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Dude. | |
| Shane Carwin, like, his hands are so stupid big. | ||
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Dude. | |
| They're literally like lunchboxes. | ||
| They're like some fucking Thor lunchbox shit. | ||
| Some hammer at the end of his wrist. | ||
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What does he wear, a 4XL? Yeah, biggest glove ever in the UFC. Biggest glove ever in the UFC. Yeah, bigger gloves. | |
| Shane's bigger than Brock. | ||
| That's what people don't understand. | ||
| Brock's lower body part isn't that big. | ||
| His ass, his quads, his calves aren't that big. | ||
| Shane's like a fucking Mack truck. | ||
| Shane is a big fucking dude. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I would have loved to see what happened with Shane if he didn't have all those injuries from football. | ||
| Football and wrestling. | ||
| Yeah, both of those. | ||
| But they're back injuries, too. | ||
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Neck. | |
| Back and neck, spinal. | ||
| His neck's fucked up. | ||
| All that stuff is just so debilitating. | ||
| That's what removes so much athleticism, so much explosion. | ||
| A fighter becomes so different when they have a back-neck injury. | ||
| Bro, when Shane fought Frank Mayer, we're in the same camp, obviously. | ||
| I forget who I was getting ready for. | ||
| Maybe Crow Cup or Noguer, I forget. | ||
| But Shane maybe hit mitts three times. | ||
| Maybe trained, not much, man. | ||
| Rolled in beat, the brakes off Frank. | ||
| Did no fucks given. | ||
| Well, he hit the gas from the opening round. | ||
| He got an underhook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got him tied up, and he was hitting him with left uppercuts that just looked like... | ||
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Hellfire. | |
| He might have sparred literally three or four times that camp. | ||
| Well, it was perfect because, you know, that wasn't sparring. | ||
| That was an ass-whooping. | ||
| I mean, he just grabbed ahold of him and beat the fuck out of him. | ||
| It was a hard one to watch because that one, I think he took way too many shots in that fight. | ||
| Mir did. | ||
| I mean, I think that could have been stopped earlier. | ||
| Just Shane's short, powerful punches were just ruthless in that fight. | ||
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He seemed a little too relaxed in the clinch against the cage. | |
| Well, Frank's coach goes, relax here, relax here, you're doing fine. | ||
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I was like, huh? | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah, hell no, you ain't doing fine. | ||
| You got Shane Conner with an underhook? | ||
| That's where he makes his living. | ||
| Everyone knows Shane Conner with an underhook, you better get the fuck out. | ||
| You better get the fuck out, son. | ||
| She didn't even like to wrestle either. | ||
| He didn't want to wrestle ever. | ||
| What is your insight where the guy like Cain Velasquez is continually getting injured? | ||
| What do you think that's about? | ||
| Listen, with the wrestling, how long has he been competing for? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Wrestling, and now he's been getting ready forever for MMA, went straight into it. | ||
| I just think his body's never had a break. | ||
| Finally, the body's like, you know what, man? | ||
| We can't do this anymore. | ||
| We just can't do this anymore. | ||
| You look at guys like Junior Dos Santos, too. | ||
| I mean, anyone here thinks Junior Dos Santos from those two fights with Kane is the same is fucking crazy. | ||
| That dude, he's just not the same. | ||
| And now he just had surgery on his hand and knee. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Junior did. | ||
| After Stipe, he had another surgery. | ||
| And he had surgery before that fight. | ||
| So your body's telling you something, man. | ||
| Eventually your body's just like, we can't do this. | ||
| We can't compete at this level anymore. | ||
| When you see the Stipe fight, do you think that that was just Stipe just getting better and better and better? | ||
| Do you think it was Junior sliding off a little bit, or do you think it was a combination of both? | ||
| Combination of both. | ||
| I think Stipe's looked better. | ||
| I've seen Stipe look better. | ||
| Stipe used to be a training partner of mine. | ||
| I used to fly Stipe in to Denver. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| Stipe's a beast. | ||
| Stipe's a tough guy. | ||
| He looked very good in that fight, too. | ||
| But I've seen Stipe look better. | ||
| Better than that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I thought that was the best performance of Stipe's career. | ||
| I thought he rose up. | ||
| I mean, I thought his timing was super sharp. | ||
| His boxing looked good. | ||
| In the first round, he let Junior know. | ||
| He did take some shots, but in the first round, he let Junior know. | ||
| Like, hey, this is going to be some shit. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You're going through some shit. | ||
| I don't know if you thought, like, oh, I'm not fighting Cain Velasquez. | ||
| This is going to be nice. | ||
| We get a little bit of a break. | ||
| No breaks. | ||
| I'm trying to kill you. | ||
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Yeah, he went at him, man. | |
| It was beautiful. | ||
| I don't think Junior's the same anymore. | ||
| I mean, you can't get your ass whipped for that for ten rounds and be the same. | ||
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You just can't. | |
| You think that's just what it is? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think you only have so many rounds in your career. | ||
| It doesn't matter whether you do it in one fight, if you do five in one fight, if you do one here, two in this fight, there's only a certain amount where your body just shuts it down. | ||
| There's a certain amount where your body shuts it down, but is there a period in time where it just starts declining, obviously? | ||
| Do you see it declining, and then they still fight for five, six more years? | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| You see that with everybody. | ||
| Especially with Junior, because he's making serious bank. | ||
| Good shit going on right now. | ||
| I'm trying to get his guard passed, but it's just a battle of the guard pass right here. | ||
| Now, Eddie, when you know all the go-to shit from half guard that you know, when you see dudes just kind of hanging on in these positions, when you see guys on the bottom, does that frustrate you when you see guys that don't attack? | ||
| Or does it, like, open you up to possibilities like, wait, hey, my students get in this situation, you're going to see some shit. | ||
| Like, how do you, like, when you look at this and you see, like, all these, like, if you look at what you would be doing in this situation, I would never have the balls to get in a cage and do any of this shit, first of all. | ||
| Let me just say that. | ||
| That's very beautiful of you. | ||
| But, I mean, just from a technical aspect, if you see guys on the ground and they're in positions in the guard and you see, like, sloppy guard work, does that frustrate you or does it make you think, like, hey, you know, look, this is just great for, you know, my fighters, guys like Ben Saunders that I train, you know, they go, oh, shit, Neil Magnet going off. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's like, I don't like being on the bottom, I'm gonna go ahead and kill him. | ||
| Oh, he's that fucking cardio. | ||
| Oh, he slipped. | ||
| Slipped on the knee. | ||
| But still, look at that cardio, Neil Magny. | ||
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Yeah, the... | |
| Go, go, go. | ||
| Saved him. | ||
| If we can just get a mean streak in here. | ||
| There's just so much to train when you're fighting MMA. It's a really, really smart thing to do when you first start getting into MMA to get your striking together because the worst possible thing that can happen is you get knocked the fuck. | ||
| That's way worse than getting choked out. | ||
| Getting put in a rear naked choke is kind of humiliating, especially if you're a striker. | ||
| It's like, fuck. | ||
| But nothing's worse than getting shut off and doing the fish. | ||
| That's the worst nightmare. | ||
| You have to spend so much time on your feet to make sure that shit don't happen, because these guys are animals, that there's not that much time to really get super technical with your jiu-jitsu. | ||
| There's not that much time, so when I see a Just vanilla jujitsu or whatever you want to call it from fighters. | ||
| That's what I expect. | ||
| They don't have the time. | ||
| I understand that they're spending most of their time with their striking shit. | ||
| If I had a gun to my hand and someone said I have to do MMA, I'd be spending my time striking all day. | ||
| Trying to avoid the worst case scenario, just getting shut off. | ||
| So many hours in the day, you just can't train everything. | ||
| Look at Neil Magny. | ||
| Neil's beating this dude up. | ||
| That's real good. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| I think he broke him when he hit him with that left. | ||
| I think he's breaking him in the altitude. | ||
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He's got 13 seconds though. | |
| Yeah, this might be over. | ||
| I guarantee he lets him get to the round. | ||
| Herb's the best in the business, man. | ||
| He's not going to stop it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he might have been able... | ||
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No, he's fine. | |
| He might have been at the doorway there about 15 seconds ago. | ||
| No, he's fine. | ||
| It would have been a bad call because look at him. | ||
| No, but I'm saying if Neil could have landed more shots... | ||
| True. | ||
| It's a rough sport, man. | ||
| I never, ever, ever had a dream to do MMA. I'm just not like a barbarian. | ||
| I would have done it if my back was against the wall. | ||
| Luckily, I did some things in jiu-jitsu where I didn't have to fight. | ||
| But if my back was against the wall and I had to work at a regular job waking up at 5.30 in the morning or MMA, I would do MMA. But I wouldn't be happy about it. | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| Ben and Brendan, you guys are fucking animals, man, to fucking want to do it and want the big fights and want to do it in front of the whole world. | ||
| I'm like 99.9999% of the population. | ||
| We don't have the balls. | ||
| There's only a tiny percentage of guys. | ||
| I'm not one of those guys. | ||
| I like jujitsu. | ||
| It's as close as I'll get. | ||
| And if I had a gun to my head, I would do MMA, but I'm not a barbarian like that. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu is fucking nerve-wracking, too, man. | ||
| When I did that metamoros, I really didn't think my nerves would get to me like a fight. | ||
| I was like, Shob, you're up. | ||
| I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, but it's an ego thing, really. | ||
| It's pure ego. | ||
| MMA is ego and physical. | ||
| It's non-physical and physical. | ||
| All manifest into one. | ||
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Boom. | |
| That's why the glory is so beautiful. | ||
| When you win, that glory. | ||
| I've never knocked anybody out in the UFC, but I see and I can feel it. | ||
| When Chuck Liddell knocks someone out and he does that, he knows right now the whole world is watching and he's thinking about the after party and all that shit. | ||
| He's like, ah! | ||
| But when you lose, my man, the lows. | ||
| It's the opposite of that. | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| What I was asking is, though, I understand. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's why the glory is so beautiful, because losing feels the worst ever. | ||
| So most people are like, that glory is the ultimate. | ||
| Everybody wants that glory. | ||
| But the risk of going the other way, it's too risky. | ||
| So most people don't have the balls. | ||
| You guys are like, fucking playing the lottery. | ||
| Like, we're going to fucking do it. | ||
| And you're happy about it. | ||
| You can't wait to drink. | ||
| Ben Sonner is fucking... | ||
| He loves every aspect of fighting. | ||
| I've sat down and had many conversations with Ben. | ||
| Man, this is one of the coolest. | ||
| He's got his fucking whole spirituality together and man, I'm just so impressed with Ben as a person and how he handles all this. | ||
| You know, he's right there. | ||
| It's like we're talking when he's not here. | ||
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Proceed. | |
| Continue, please. | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| Neil's got the rear naked choke! | ||
| Now Neil's going to be really famous now. | ||
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Watch. | |
| If you can get a little personality on the mic, yeah. | ||
| Damn, Neil Magny. | ||
| Put it on him. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| Give him some lessons. | ||
| Damn, powerful Neil Magny. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Either you got it or you don't. | ||
| There's no lessons. | ||
| Dana might hire you as a personality coach for these guys. | ||
| His cardio is insane. | ||
| You know what I was asking? | ||
| Either you, Eddie, or they don't, my man. | ||
| All the Ultimate Fighters, they've got to go through you. | ||
| They've got to take a three-week course with Brennan. | ||
| A big brown workshop. | ||
| What I was asking you, I know how you feel about MMA and you fighting. | ||
| That's not what I meant. | ||
| What I meant was when you see all these openings on the ground, being like a guard specialist, does it frustrate you that people don't know this shit? | ||
| No, there's no frustration. | ||
| Does it give you a feeling of, like, look, this is good that my guys know how to do shit that other guys aren't doing in MMA, and the more MMA fighters I coach with the right techniques, the more we're going to see this kind of stuff. | ||
| Man, I... I don't know what to say to that. | ||
| If you see shitty technique, you're not like, come on, son. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know what to say about that. | ||
| What do you say about that? | ||
| He's too high right now. | ||
| It frustrates me, for sure. | ||
| I'm not frustrated. | ||
| I look at it, I'm not frustrated. | ||
| I understand the situation. | ||
| I understand the mentality of the whole thing. | ||
| I've been backstage and talked to so many fighters of the UFC for so many years and King of the Cage. | ||
| I've been in the business, making money for a long time, backstage watching their lives. | ||
| And the more I work backstage, the more, to me, I'm like, There's so much pressure for me. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| I see what these guys are going through and all these guys going through. | ||
| Not only the fighters, but like the apparel brands and everyone's trying to start their own apparel brand. | ||
| And I remember back in 2001, Rage Athletic. | ||
| Death kill joke. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| All that shit. | ||
| And I see these guys. | ||
| They put all their money. | ||
| We're going to do it. | ||
| MMA's getting big. | ||
| I got a clothing line. | ||
| And you just see them come and go. | ||
| So after a while, you see the UFC fighters coming through. | ||
| And like the tough fighters. | ||
| And doing it for so many years. | ||
| I'm like, the odds that you're going to be around in two years are so... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Yeah, they're not good, man. | ||
| I like talking to them. | ||
| I'm like, you're loving life right now. | ||
| Enjoy that shit. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Enjoy it. | ||
| People weren't lasting. | ||
| Look, you look at the UFC eight years ago. | ||
| You put on a UFC, I mean, these fighters aren't... | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| You know the average career is a year and a half. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Average career in the NFL is three and a half years. | ||
| If you know this right away, it's like a scared straight program. | ||
| All these little kids that want to be fucking MMA fighters. | ||
| You put them through a scared straight and you have them sit down and fucking... | ||
| I don't want to say any names, but I mean, there's guys that are just fucking broken from it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What were you going to say, Joe? | ||
| What were you going to say, Ted? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that's a different thing. | ||
| It's a hard life. | ||
| Like, that's the thing of a guy going, I want to make my living as a fighter, and I want to be, like, I'm looking at the lights, and I go, ooh, I want to be George St. Pierre or something, as opposed to dudes that are real motherfuckers that are going, I just like this. | ||
| I like to do this. | ||
| Whether there was money or not, my heart needs this expression in this venue, and I want to feel that pressure and see who I am under that. | ||
| Like, that's a whole different kind of thing. | ||
| You're talking about one guy. | ||
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No. | |
| What I wanted to ask you was, what do you think about all this class-action lawsuit stuff that's going on? | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| I couldn't believe that recently, I couldn't believe that Mac Danzig and Gabe Rudiger became a part of it. | ||
| There's a new class-action lawsuit with those guys. | ||
| I've had people hit me up. | ||
| What? | ||
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Okay. | |
| So you're crazy. | ||
| What does it mean? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| I'm not understanding what a guy who's like a gay Rudiger, what could he be suing for? | ||
| Honestly, I don't know the details on what they're suing for. | ||
| I just know they want the fighters to have more of a say and get paid better. | ||
| That's what they're aiming for. | ||
| Right, but a class action lawsuit. | ||
| And concussions. | ||
| But what are they saying? | ||
| Did you know? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| I've been approached several times. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| And I'm not touching it. | ||
| Just for the record, I'm not touching it. | ||
| I make a very good living messing with the UFC. I feel like it's a bunch of people, especially lawyers that are getting involved in this, they recognize that there's blood in the water. | ||
| There's a guy that called me... | ||
| That called me and goes, do you know anybody that wants to get involved in this? | ||
| And he's just some random lawyer from fucking Texas. | ||
| That was like two weeks ago. | ||
| This is grosser than grosser. | ||
| Do you think a guy like Gabe Rudiger or a guy like Mac Danzig, who Mac had a good career, won the Ultimate Fighter, and had decided he wasn't taking shots well anymore and wrote a very eloquent piece about it. | ||
| And I respect Mac a lot. | ||
| He's a very smart dude. | ||
| When I see him, that he's in it, I go, wow, I wonder what this is. | ||
| And I wonder, like, I mean, total speculation, I would have to ask, but if some guys are like, you know, hey, this is the end of my career, I'm not fighting anymore, so I don't have to worry about pissing them off. | ||
| Like, I don't want them to hire me again. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| I think it's combination of some dudes being like, the sport needs to change. | ||
| And it does. | ||
| Dana knows this. | ||
| Everyone in this room knows this. | ||
| Certain things have to change. | ||
| If the fighters had a union, there's no reason we shouldn't. | ||
| There's no reason we shouldn't. | ||
| Every other major leagues do. | ||
| Yeah, the unions that exist in other sports, they benefit the players, for sure. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| The difference being that there's a bunch of different teams. | ||
| Like say if Seattle doesn't want you anymore and then Boston wants you, there's like New England wants you, you can travel around and be a part of different teams and that's where most of the negotiation takes place. | ||
| With the UFC, the issue that people have is that there's a UFC. There's no teams. | ||
| It's just like everybody's playing for the same team. | ||
| There's one fucking team. | ||
| That team's the UFC. It's not the NFL because the NFL is comprised of a bunch of different businesses. | ||
| People own the Seattle Seahawks. | ||
| They own the Miami Dolphins. | ||
| They Own the Raiders. | ||
| But they're all under one branch. | ||
| They're all under the NFL umbrella. | ||
| And part of this union is when... | ||
| So these, just for the NFL, these NFL players are destroying their bodies, destroying their brains for whatever, the average career is three and a half years. | ||
| So they're saying, for those three and a half years, what we've given you, we should be compensated for down the road, which is 100%. | ||
| Yeah, there's without a doubt, there's some merit in that. | ||
| There's definitely some merit if they were ignorant to the facts, but now the facts have been exposed, you know, which is the claim about concussions and NFL. I mean, I think this goes with boxing, this goes with MMA, this goes with everything. | ||
| Once it's all out on the table and, like, the medical facts and everything are in order, like, You've got to say, okay, you didn't know, and they didn't know, but now you do know, okay? | ||
| So now if you do know, you have a certain amount of responsibility to take care of the people that are under your protection. | ||
| So what does it entail to have CTE? What are the issues that these athletes could possibly be dealing with? | ||
| So you've got to mitigate whatever the issues that come along with those athletes being concussed on a regular basis. | ||
| You've got to mitigate that. | ||
| You've got to mitigate it by management. | ||
| You've got to mitigate it by counseling, whether it's having someone who's a sports psychologist, having someone who's a neurosurgeon or a neuroscientist, rather, that can give them examinations, CAT scans, all that jazz. | ||
| They should check you out on a regular basis. | ||
| And that's great, but those guys should also be compensated down the road for risking their life being the entertainers. | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| Being the elephant in the circus. | ||
| I should have peanuts for the rest of my life. | ||
| Peanuts up in this bitch. | ||
| You start all that, though, but what about any kid that goes into football? | ||
| You're playing football throughout... | ||
| Throughout junior high school and high school, are those parents subject to child abuse then? | ||
| Because you're putting your kid in a position where they're getting concussed steady. | ||
| I think you got a good point, man. | ||
| I think that's a real good point. | ||
| It's a good point, but those kids aren't dedicating their lives to football in high school. | ||
| The fuck, they aren't. | ||
| Ah, not really. | ||
| Some of them are, man. | ||
| Some of them are. | ||
| Some of them are. | ||
| I mean, there's some kids who realize that it's their Willie Walker golden ticket. | ||
| Their parents realize it. | ||
| You got a big kid. | ||
| Like, say, Brendan Chopp. | ||
| I know you're happily involved, but what if some big Serena Williams-looking bitch with just like the perfect boot... | ||
| I say bitch with all due respect. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But a beautiful, super athlete is what I'm trying to say. | ||
| If some enormous fucking volleyball player... | ||
| Like, what was that chick's name? | ||
| Gabriella Reese? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If she wanted to sling some eggs your way. | ||
| Make some little LeBron James. | ||
| Make some fucking savages. | ||
| Make some X-Men babies. | ||
| And then you realize, but maybe you're a dude who, like, you know, you always wanted to coach. | ||
| You know, you always wanted to coach a little guy from the jump. | ||
| So you get this little motherfucker, and you're like, listen. | ||
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That's me, buddy! | |
| You're like, listen, you little motherfucker, you got some killer genes. | ||
| Some savage genes. | ||
| We're gonna make some money! | ||
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Hell yeah! | |
| Come on, son. | ||
| And your kid's like, Daddy, but I want to paint flowers. | ||
| I wish I was born a girl. | ||
| Nah, bitch. | ||
| Get the football. | ||
| Get the football. | ||
| Look at these guys. | ||
| They're hot. | ||
| You can beat them up. | ||
| Hey, Max Holloway and our boy Cole Miller. | ||
| Ready to go at it. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| We gotta pay Cole Miller some respect. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Cole Miller's a savage. | ||
| He's a savage. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's a fun guy to hang with. | ||
| He's always down to throw down. | ||
| He's going to come at you 100%. | ||
| Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, too. | ||
| Cole Miller never goes backwards. | ||
| I think Max's strike is going to be the difference. | ||
| If Max can get off, he's going to win. | ||
| Max is taking... | ||
| How about fucking Cole Miller's strike? | ||
| He's pretty goddamn good. | ||
| He knocked out Ross Pearson with a left hook. | ||
| This is true. | ||
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It's a good fight. | |
| Yeah, it's a very good fight. | ||
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That's huge. | |
| Ross Pearson is a fucking beast. | ||
| Cole Miller's jiu-jitsu on the ground. | ||
| Cole Miller's whole family is down to struggle. | ||
| His dad fights. | ||
| His dad still fights. | ||
| His dad's my age. | ||
| In MMA? Yes! | ||
| In MMA, I sound like my old school. | ||
| Dude, his dad's a savage. | ||
| His dad is cool as fuck, too. | ||
| And then his brother fights. | ||
| His brother Mike is cool as fuck. | ||
| Brother and father all fight. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| All cool as fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of them cool as fuck. | ||
| Micah Miller. | ||
| They're all brain drama. | ||
| They're all game as fuck, man. | ||
| They're ready to throw. | ||
| Yeah, they're just like, you don't want to fucking burglarize their house. | ||
| Hey, your boy Diaz, what do you tell him? | ||
| Joey? | ||
| You want to see him fight more? | ||
| Oh, Nick? | ||
| Well, I think Nick is going to take a well-deserved vacation now. | ||
| I hope they don't take any money away from him. | ||
| I don't know what happens with the weed thing. | ||
| I hope it's a small fine. | ||
| He didn't get a small fine. | ||
| He only fights once every two years anyway, so it's not a big deal. | ||
| I hope it's no big deal because I think it's stupid. | ||
| Unless he's high when he's fighting. | ||
| So what? | ||
| It's a stupid law. | ||
| I'm with you, brother. | ||
| My concern always with these kind of things is like, what are they doing that's helping them fight? | ||
| And could there be an argument that smoking weed helps his jiu-jitsu and that it helps his training and helps his cardio when he trains? | ||
| Yeah, there could be an argument. | ||
| Yes, there is. | ||
| There was a recent argument about ultramarathoners. | ||
| There was this talk about how they're able to run ultramarathons way easier when they get high. | ||
| Yeah, they run a straight line. | ||
| No, these guys are running over hills. | ||
| Yeah, but they're still running straight. | ||
| It's like, go that way. | ||
| High as fuck. | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| What's happening with the marijuana is it reduces inflammation and it allows you to numb the pain. | ||
| Like, you're not thinking about it. | ||
| Your brain doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| You're seeing it knocked out. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't think it's performance enhancing. | ||
| It is for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Apparently, unless it's bullshit, it has been written that marijuana actually opens lung passageways. | ||
| It actually opens your lungs. | ||
| What are you saying about basketball, Jamie? | ||
| That could be bullshit, but that's what they're saying. | ||
| They're saying that that's what happens. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| What? | ||
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It's performance enhancing in basketball. | |
| Performance enhancing, like they test for it? | ||
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They don't test for it. | |
| They don't test for it. | ||
| But you think it's performance enhancing when people do it? | ||
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Yeah, it slows down things, makes the hoop bigger. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it does. | ||
| It makes it feel, look, I'll tell you what, it works with pool. | ||
| No, but that whole thing, that time dilation, that's a real thing. | ||
| It helps with concentration. | ||
| Like, all that stuff about being into the zone, like, that's, there's a lot of studies into that. | ||
| He's describing how... | ||
| Guys can't talk over each other. | ||
| There's this book called The Rise of Superman that they went into all these studies about the zone, about being in that flow, and about time dilation, and weed, like, cannabis does that for people. | ||
| It gets you into that state quicker where you become a heightened, more alert animal. | ||
| Yeah, it can for some people. | ||
| Nick Diaz loves it. | ||
| If you let Nick Diaz smoke weed, he'd probably fight better on weed. | ||
| It helps your cardio, man. | ||
| It just does. | ||
| People don't want to admit that, but marathon runners report that. | ||
| They report it makes it easier for them to go hard longer. | ||
| Alright, let's say it does all this shit. | ||
| Either way, Anderson Silva was on some anabolic shit. | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| We know for a fact that helps. | ||
| For a fact. | ||
| No, there's no argument there. | ||
| There's no argument there. | ||
| The real question is, is it helping Nick during his training? | ||
| Like, is it a performance enhancer? | ||
| Does it allow him to train in a better way? | ||
| But, you know what? | ||
| Guess what, though, dude? | ||
| So does a lot of shit that people do. | ||
| So does this goddamn cryotherapy that we do. | ||
| That cryotherapy allows people to recover quicker. | ||
| So does creatine. | ||
| Fish oil. | ||
| There's a lot of shit that benefits. | ||
| Make weed illegal. | ||
| How about caffeine? | ||
| How about caffeine? | ||
| I got a question for you. | ||
| Ben, as well, if they decided to just legalize steroids, everyone could use steroids, would we see fighters jumping up in weight or staying right where the fuck they're at? | ||
| I'd look like fucking Alistair Overeem in 2012 right now. | ||
| No, seriously, would you? | ||
| If it was legal, you would? | ||
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If it was legal, you would. | |
| And you would get bigger? | ||
| You'd want to get bigger? | ||
| I don't know what I would do. | ||
| Would you get bigger if it was legal? | ||
| Would you use it? | ||
| They say, we're going to legalize it, it's stupid. | ||
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At that point, I'd say, show me the money. | |
| If I got to go up, you get the money and it's legal. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So most people would just stay the same, right? | ||
| Yeah, but you're talking to heavyweight. | ||
| I would look like... | ||
| Ben, step up on that mic real quick. | ||
| That's a difference. | ||
| For you though, it wouldn't really be effective to add more muscle mass. | ||
| You're optimized physically for your frame at 170. Do you agree? | ||
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I would say so. | |
| So if you were going to go to 185, not that you wanted to do it, but if you wanted to do it, if you looked at it super objectively with no desperation at all, what's the most intelligent way to plan that out? | ||
| How long do you think you would take to put on that kind of mask and keep and be comfortable? | ||
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Oh, to go to heavyweight? | |
| Yeah, no, no. | ||
| No, 185. If you were going to go to 185, you really decided, I'm going to be a middleweight fighter now. | ||
| I'm going to abandon this idea of cutting weight and staying lean and restricting my calories and dehydrating myself. | ||
| How big would you want to get? | ||
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I mean, I'd roughly just try to do the same thing I'm doing for 170, just obviously we're dealing with 15 pounds heavier. | |
| What would you do? | ||
| Would you give yourself a year? | ||
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My first four fights were at 185, but I was stepping on the scale with my jeans on. | |
| That was lower level though, right? | ||
| Like lower level. | ||
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It was my first four fights. | |
| You're saying if I was in the UFC and I had a fight at 185, I mean, honestly, I don't know the science behind my body type and how long it would take me to produce that much additional muscle mass. | ||
| But it's something that you would have to really consider, right? | ||
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Yeah, like if I was going up to 185, I don't know. | |
| If I was going up to 185... | ||
| But if it was your choice, you wouldn't even do it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| If Storrs were legal, you'd stay the same, right? | ||
| Well, the reason why I was asking was one reason is because Henderson tonight just fought at 155 like a month ago, and now he's stepping in here tonight, and he's fighting Thatch, who's a giant fucking welterweight. | ||
| Walked around. | ||
| He'll be 190 in the cage. | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
| 6'2", 190. He's long, lean, and he's super aggressive. | ||
| Great striker. | ||
| But Ben Henderson's 180 right now. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, 170. That's what he was when he was cutting to 55, but since then, I bet he probably gained at least five pounds. | ||
| I bet he gained five pounds, so maybe he's like 180. Well, who knows, man. | ||
| Maybe he'll be better at 170 where he's not dehydrating himself. | ||
| Maybe he'll be like a Rumble Johnson type situation. | ||
| Joe, don't you think like... | ||
| Steroids and PEDs benefit really 185 and above, because those bladder guys really aren't, then maybe they're using EPO, who knows, but they're really not going to use the anabolic thing because they can't put on that muscle. | ||
| Maybe not the anabolic stuff. | ||
| I'd say it's more prevalent at the higher weight classes. | ||
| It would help for recovery during training. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they've got to cut weight. | ||
| I bet a lot of them use a little durr. | ||
| Just a little bit for recovery. | ||
| But like if you could do growth and a little test all the time to stay recovered and do two a days all the way through and not suffer overtraining as much, And then get clean? | ||
| You ain't gonna gain that much weight. | ||
| Like that Belko dude, man, he was interesting as fuck to talk to, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's a fascinating guy, and you know what, man? | ||
| One of the things he's been saying over and over again is that these testing techniques are ineffective, and that these urine tests are giving fighters are just, you know, and everybody was calling bullshit on them. | ||
| He was saying these are just intelligent tests. | ||
| IQ tests, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| What's Balco Cat's name? | ||
| Victor Conte. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But I had him on the podcast. | ||
| Interesting cat. | ||
| But after it's all over, man, now he looks vindicated, in my opinion. | ||
| I mean, he's vindicated. | ||
| Goddamn Johnny Fitch. | ||
| What were they dogging him about? | ||
| I apologized to everybody when I said that John Fitch would never piss hot. | ||
| I said, BJ Penn and John Fitch, you guys will ever piss hot. | ||
| And when John Fitch pissed hot, I found out that Santa Claus wasn't real. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| I was like, I can't believe this. | ||
| Dude, he was looking huge in his last couple of fights. | ||
| Have you seen him in his last fight? | ||
| That's the first thing I noticed. | ||
| I'm like, that doesn't look like regular John Fitch. | ||
| John Fitch has some big biceps with giant water hose vein coming through. | ||
| I still wouldn't believe he's on PDs. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| I still didn't believe it. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| Do you think it's possible that it wasn't? | ||
| Is it possible? | ||
| No, I love when guys say that. | ||
| Dude, he's huge now. | ||
| I need another test. | ||
| He's fucking yoked. | ||
| Fucking get out of here. | ||
| Anderson Silva said the same shit. | ||
| Well, Anderson Silva's trainer. | ||
| Have you ever seen the picture of Anderson Silva's trainer? | ||
| Jack is 60. Hilarious. | ||
| He's 60 and he looks like the Hulk. | ||
| He's really close to him and he's his trainer. | ||
| That guy's always around Anderson. | ||
| Don't do what I do. | ||
| That guy's a good dude. | ||
| I like that guy. | ||
| He's like, I just ate that guy's sandwich. | ||
| I didn't ever inject anything. | ||
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We shared a lunch one time and he gave me a foot massage. | |
| The guy shook my hand and I pissed off. | ||
| Yeah, what if they can prove that he gave him a back rub? | ||
| With hot cocoa butter. | ||
| The other thing, too, about going up in weight because of PEDs is that it doesn't, like, that bigger muscle mass isn't going to actually maybe dictate that you're going to have better use of that muscle mass. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You're just going to be heavy and slower. | ||
| Well, the lightest guy in the UFC in title fights that's pissed hot has been Ali Bagutinov. | ||
| For EP. He pissed off for EPO. Come on, son. | ||
| What are you doing fucking with EPO at that weight? | ||
| If you don't have cardio at that weight, kick rocks. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He wanted to be able to do what he does, which is he has this very kinetic style where he uses a lot of muscle. | ||
| He explodes a lot, and that shit gets you goddamn exhausted. | ||
|
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You're 100%. | |
| Do you think, like, is there a possibility? | ||
| But he's fighting Mighty Mouse, who's so the opposite of that. | ||
| Mighty Mouse is super technical. | ||
| He's always in the right position. | ||
| And even when he knocked out, like, Joseph Benavidez, it wasn't like some crazy wind-up punch, you know, that threw all his body weight into it. | ||
| It was just super technical. | ||
| So he could do that for 100 rounds. | ||
| If somebody wanted to fight Mighty Mouse for 100 rounds, he could probably fight you for 100 rounds. | ||
| Cole Miller just pulled guard. | ||
| Yeah, he was pulling guard earlier by the cage. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He pulled guard. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| Do it. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Leg lock action. | ||
| I really believe leg locks are going to come back in a big way in MMA. This is the problem with leg locks right here. | ||
| See, I don't think he should punch right now. | ||
| I think he should defend the leg lock and get out of there. | ||
| Guys usually get tapped out when they go to punch strike before. | ||
| I don't know about that one. | ||
| I said punch him. | ||
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I'm not mad at her. | |
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm gonna kick her out of my bed. | ||
| I just want to hug her. | ||
| Dude, you'd marry her. | ||
| I would not marry her. | ||
| If she wanted to marry you, if she called you on Twitter, she goes, oh my god, I love Brendan, let's go out to dinner, and you guys went out, hung out, and this is what I want to marry you. | ||
| - My girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouse. | ||
| - Yeah, you're good. | ||
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- Yeah, yeah. - I'm just fucking with you. | |
| Oscar the Grouch with tits is the greatest description of an unattractive woman ever. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| My girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouch with tits. | ||
| Holy shit, that's funny. | ||
| That's something Joey would say. | ||
| That's exactly like something Joey would say. | ||
| That is hilarious. | ||
| Is that what he's saying? | ||
| She looks like Oscar the Grouch with tits. | ||
| Sounds just like him. | ||
| She probably smells like him, too. | ||
| Lazy bitch. | ||
| See that bitch with her dirty feet coming here? | ||
| Boxy. | ||
| You don't want to be boxy at 22 either, by the way. | ||
| You really don't, because when you get 40... | ||
| 32 will look different. | ||
| Yeah, 48's not going to look so hot. | ||
| 40, you're going to be a hot mess. | ||
| It's a serious issue. | ||
| Girls will never talk about a guy's physical attribute. | ||
| He's got to get his ears worked on. | ||
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I know somebody in Beverly Hills. | |
| He's just got to do something about those ears. | ||
| Well, I heard Rihanna, what do I, I'm like fucking TMZ. I heard Rihanna broke up with Leonardo DiCaprio because she said he just, he has too much of a belly. | ||
| They were dating? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And she said he had too much of a belly? | ||
| Yeah, asked me a six-pack. | ||
|
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Good for her. | |
| Really cool to fuck some like supermodel. | ||
| She's like, yeah, I'll get on that while he's balls deep in some supermodel. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Cool story, bro. | ||
| And then just fucked some supermodel. | ||
| Where did you hear this story from? | ||
| I don't think he counts. | ||
| I'm on the interweb. | ||
| I'm on the underweb. | ||
| Cole Miller with the high kicker. | ||
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Oh, Max Holloway with the spitting back kick. | |
| Probably Barstool. | ||
| You read Barstool? | ||
| Oh yeah, I'm all over that shit. | ||
| She's throwing him under the bus. | ||
| Yeah, I said he had too much of a gut. | ||
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That's hilarious. | |
| Yeah, he doesn't have fucking time to work out because he's doing A-list movies all the goddamn time. | ||
| Over here picking up all these Oscars, bitch. | ||
| And blow. | ||
| And he's like, that's why Chris Brown whooped that ass, talking that way. | ||
| Dude, that Django performance? | ||
| That's aggressive. | ||
| Tate Fletcher just went there. | ||
| Did you hear that? | ||
| Did you see him in Django? | ||
| Did you not hear what Tate Fletcher just said? | ||
| He was incredible. | ||
| Oh my god, he was incredible. | ||
| Damn, Max Holloway just landed a nice right hand. | ||
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You know what you don't see that much? | |
| I'm not mad at Corroge shorts. | ||
| You know what you don't see that much at MMA that Roy McDonald does so well is that question mark kick. | ||
| Like I was just looking, Cole Miller grazed the top of his head with a kick. | ||
| And I was like, that kick where you come up and it looks like a front kick and then you turn into the Brazilian style. | ||
| Cerrone does it almost every foot. | ||
| Oh, he does a lot. | ||
| He pulled guard again, right? | ||
| It's another leg lock. | ||
| There he goes, look at that. | ||
| Rory does it really well. | ||
| I thought you were going to say... | ||
| Cerrone would knock a motherfucker out with it, though. | ||
| Cerrone's so good at it, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Cerrone does KO a lot of dudes. | ||
| You know who's good at it, too? | ||
| The very first person I ever saw do it and knock a dude out? | ||
| Marquardt's good at it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Brandon Thatch. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Brandon Thad, you know how Pettis can do both? | ||
| Traditional softball? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thad can do both like a motherfucker. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| I poke! | ||
|
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Damn, it's bad too, son. | |
| He's like looking for parts of his eye in his palm. | ||
| Damn! | ||
|
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Oh my god. | |
| You ever seen Bisping's eye? | ||
| I shot a show with Bisping, his eye. | ||
| Shit ruins careers, man. | ||
| Oh my god, it's bleeding. | ||
| This is awful. | ||
| Is that the eyebrow that's bleeding or the eyeball that's bleeding? | ||
| I hope it's the eyebrow. | ||
| I hope it's the eyebrow. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Oh, it's a headbutt. | ||
| Oh, it's a headbutt. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| I think it's just a cut. | ||
| It's only a headbutt. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Unless it's a bad cut, then they're going to stop that bitch. | ||
| Especially if I'm out of the eye, son. | ||
| It's a horrible spot. | ||
| They'll stop. | ||
| Way better than what I imagined, though. | ||
| Oh, that's a big cut, man. | ||
| Which was his brain coming out through. | ||
| Oh, that's not that big. | ||
| It's the top of the eyebrow. | ||
| I'm looking at the blood coming down the corner, and I was assuming that that whole thing was cut. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| That was my first ref in the UFC. Well, the referee said they keep going, but he said, you've got to clean my eye. | ||
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Yeah, it's like going in my eyes. | |
| Yeah, do they bring somebody in? | ||
| It looked like the ref was waving it off to me. | ||
|
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Yeah, he looked. | |
| He was negative. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But he's not going to clean it off. | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
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Oh, he's pissed. | |
| Ben, what do they do? | ||
| Don't they usually clean it off if there's a headbutt, like a cut like that? | ||
| They have to look at it? | ||
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If they have the doctor come in or someone come in and look at it, yeah, they usually... | |
| That's what I would think they would do. | ||
| It's only if the fighter can't see, though, affecting his eyesight. | ||
| But it is right now. | ||
| It's affecting his eyesight. | ||
| He's trying to wipe it out of his eye. | ||
| But only if it's in the eye. | ||
| If it's going around the eye, they don't stop it. | ||
| If it's in the eye, they stop it. | ||
| The referee, rather, is coming over to talk to him. | ||
| He gets five minutes, right? | ||
| Five minutes, yeah. | ||
| So he's saying, fuck it, let's go. | ||
| He goes, yeah, let's go while I'm angry. | ||
| Sometime this fires guys up. | ||
| This could be the change of the match, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Dude gets pissed. | ||
| Well, a dude like Cole Miller, he's been fighting angry since he was a baby. | ||
| That shit's in his jeans. | ||
| He's from the South. | ||
| Goldmiller can scrap. | ||
| He scraps. | ||
| Is that inside leg kick? | ||
| I don't know if anyone knows, but Max and Ben Henderson have the exact same back tattoo. | ||
| Identical. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| No, but isn't Benson's like angel wings and his is like one angel and one devil? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| I think Max, one of them is like a devil wing and one of them is an angel wing. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Someone has that. | ||
| Both have two wings. | ||
| Yeah, that's wings. | ||
| That right one's a little different. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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Yeah, they're two different. | |
| Let me see. | ||
| Let me see what he turns around. | ||
| I know, we can't see. | ||
| There is one fighter... | ||
| Yeah, they're both different. | ||
| Maybe they're just two different kinds of birds. | ||
| But one dude has it where one side looks like a bat wing. | ||
| Yeah, his looks like a bat wing. | ||
| His right one looks like a bat wing. | ||
| That left one looks like a bat wing. | ||
| We were talking about back tattoos. | ||
| This is getting real gay, boys. | ||
| Ooh, nice body kick. | ||
| We haven't gone low yet. | ||
| Full middle. | ||
| You know, sponsors like Alienware, it's going to be weird when they're not allowed to sponsor UFC fights. | ||
| I've been used to seeing that Alien logo for so far. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| One of them is like a devil window, right? | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| That combo was nasty. | ||
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You had the liver. | |
| That was Thai crunch. | ||
| But it's going to be sad seeing those sponsors go. | ||
| They're all gone. | ||
| I'm going to miss them. | ||
| Especially Alienware, man. | ||
| They've been around so long supporting fighters. | ||
| I bought an Alienware computer. | ||
| I even used them to sponsor my podcast just to sort of... | ||
| They're still Bellator? | ||
| To say that, you know, just to respect them. | ||
| Because, you know, it's like it's a big deal. | ||
| Think about Hayabusa. | ||
| They've been around the grip for a while. | ||
| Yes, they have. | ||
| Hayabusa makes the best ankle straps. | ||
| They cover the whole instep. | ||
| They're the only brand that covers the whole instep. | ||
| Kill it for lockdowns. | ||
| We can't see it all. | ||
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Padding? | |
| Or no? | ||
| Am I wrong? | ||
| It's kind of like padding, too. | ||
| Their tie pads are the shit, man. | ||
| They're the best tie pads. | ||
| There's a real difference in how they feel to the guy who holds them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| After I'd be done holding them with you, my triceps would be burning up, man. | ||
| For like a day. | ||
| I'm super sore, but now... | ||
| How long have you guys been training together? | ||
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Two and a half years, maybe, I think. | |
| That's a long time. | ||
|
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He's screaming twice. | |
| Have you seen those... | ||
| Oh, that's a bad cut, man. | ||
| That looks a horrible cut. | ||
|
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Bad place. | |
| Have you seen the focus mitts that are shaped like a head? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Terrible ideas. | ||
| Are they cool? | ||
| No. | ||
| Terrible? | ||
| I think it's cool. | ||
| Oh my god, it's huge. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I think it's a great idea. | ||
| Have you seen this fucking cut? | ||
| House, son. | ||
| Dude, did you see the cut? | ||
| It got bigger? | ||
| I think it got bigger. | ||
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And big cut. | |
| His final punch when he was in the guard right before the bell was right on the button again. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's kind of fucked up, right? | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| Nope, that's nothing. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Terrible highlight. | ||
| But it's not like a headbutt. | ||
| It's just like he's rubbing... | ||
| It's just going into his eye, man. | ||
| It's unfortunate that your eye's fucked up, but... | ||
| Well, it might have kind of known it was a little fucked up when he's scrubbing his head in there. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| Well, for sure. | ||
| I mean, he's aware his head is hitting the cut. | ||
| It's pretty bad, though. | ||
| It's a lot worse than I thought it was. | ||
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He's drooping in front of his eye. | |
| Yeah, but when a company like Hayabusa takes something like tie pads that have existed forever and just makes an improvement like that where, you know, you could absorb harder kicks with them. | ||
| The way they can make their cushioning, whatever it is, it doesn't hurt nearly as hard when someone's kicking them down. | ||
| Have you guys ever had blood in your eye? | ||
| You ever had blood in your eye? | ||
| I think not a boost is going to sponsor you on this show. | ||
| It's a fucking beast. | ||
| Because the oil, the oil, you can swipe and it just doesn't go away. | ||
| It's like having a film of straight motor oil in your eye. | ||
| You just can't get it off. | ||
| It sucks, man. | ||
| Everything's blurry. | ||
| Cole, he's in trouble, man. | ||
| Max Holloway is a tough kid, man. | ||
| And he's had some tough fucking fights in the UFC, but he's always there. | ||
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He fought Conor, right? | |
| Yeah, he fought Conor when he made a decision because Conor blew his ankle or his ACL out. | ||
| Bro, I met up with Conor yesterday. | ||
| He was in Venice. | ||
| He's a big ass dude. | ||
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Is he? | |
| Hell yeah, he's big. | ||
| Conor who? | ||
| McGregor. | ||
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How tall is he? | |
| I get to 145 like a professional. | ||
| Fuck, he's big, man. | ||
| He's a G, dude. | ||
| He's super big, dude. | ||
| He's gotta get by Jose Aldo. | ||
| Oh, oh, oh, oh! | ||
| That's a tough... | ||
| But if he gets by Jose Aldo, Conor McGregor versus Anthony Pettis. | ||
| Think about fucking that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That's gonna be a different fight for Conor right now. | ||
| Yeah, but wait a minute. | ||
| What about Frankie Edgar? | ||
| What about Cole Swanson? | ||
| What are you trying to do? | ||
| You want to see him lose? | ||
| No, we need Pettis. | ||
| Do you think that Frankie Edgar will beat him? | ||
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Yes. | |
| He's going to wrestle him. | ||
| Listen, I love Frankie, but I'm Team Conor after yesterday, man. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| I'm all Team Conor. | ||
| With the right matchups, that kid, I think he's our biggest star. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| I love Frankie Edgar. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I love Conor McGregor too. | ||
| I don't want to pick a side. | ||
| I love Cobb Swanson. | ||
| I love Cobb Swanson too. | ||
| Part of me that was so impressed with Frankie after that Cub Swanson fight, I think it's a crime to not give him a title shot after that fight. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think it's a crime. | ||
| The difference between beating Cub Swanson like that and beating Dennis Seaver at the end of his rope is that it's totally different. | ||
| You know why it's a crime? | ||
| Because think about what Frankie's gone through. | ||
| Think about Frankie's rope. | ||
| But the thing is, if you get Frankie Conner, you're going to destroy two superstars. | ||
| You can't do that, man. | ||
| Well, it's too much for Conor. | ||
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You throw Conor, Jose Aldo, that is the matchup of the century. | |
| I think you give Frankie the fight with Aldo, okay? | ||
| Whoever wins that fight, then Conor fights that. | ||
| That's how I would do it. | ||
| I'd give Conor one more warm-up and then give him all that. | ||
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Money-wise, they make the most of Conor fighting Aldo. | |
| If he wins, Conor versus Frankie. | ||
| I like seeing Jose Aldo right now. | ||
| I like that as a fan. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The UFC knows that. | ||
| See Conor, Jose Aldo right now. | ||
| And the UFC knows that. | ||
| We're all grey elephants, and you got this pink elephant, Conor. | ||
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He's a beast. | |
| That's the way they matchmake in Japan. | ||
| They think of a fucking matchup and they do it. | ||
| You don't have to build up the shit. | ||
| It's like, let's make it happen right now. | ||
| And I'm happy about it. | ||
| As Conor's management, I'm like, bro, let's get one more. | ||
| You're going to fight kind of a grappler wrestler. | ||
| Because don't get it twisted. | ||
| All those are black belts. | ||
| It goes to the ground. | ||
| There's gonna be some issues there, and he can wrestle. | ||
| He's hard as fuck to take down, too. | ||
| I'd say you give him one more matchup with kind of a grappler guy who's gonna try and take him down. | ||
| I think Conor is gonna... | ||
| I think Conor's gonna hurt him standing. | ||
| I don't think it's gonna go to the ground. | ||
| I think he really hits that hard. | ||
| How many more fights do we have to see? | ||
| You know why he's so confident? | ||
| Is I really think that everyone that he's training with is going, holy shit! | ||
| This guy hits so hard, and he's like, He's fucking everybody up. | ||
| That's the confidence he has. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| He's proving it. | ||
| He hit Dennis Seaver with a couple shots and Dennis Seaver started buckling quick. | ||
| Those are some powerful shots. | ||
| I think he became stiff once he felt the power. | ||
| Nah, he was stiff from when he flew in on Tuesday. | ||
| Yeah, but the way he knocked out Dustin Poirier, nobody ever did that before. | ||
| He clipped him on the top of his head. | ||
| I think he's so confident because he knows that these guys at 45 can take his power. | ||
| All those are different animals. | ||
| He's not saying the guys at 55 could take his power. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if... | ||
| Let's say he beats Jose Alza and he's going to fight Anthony Pettis, right? | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if Conor said, Hey, I knew for a fact I could beat all those guys at 145. I knew there was no way they were going to handle my power. | ||
| Anthony Pettis is like me. | ||
| He's got serious power, crazy strikes. | ||
| This is like a 50-50 fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| To overlook this guy would be stupid. | ||
| This guy's a beast. | ||
| He's just like me. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
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Dos Anjos is fighting pedestal, man. | |
| That's gonna be a good one. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Pettis just seems fucking unstoppable, dude. | ||
| He's so confident. | ||
| And you take him down, he submits you. | ||
| In a second. | ||
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Los Angeles grappling's a beast, man. | |
| But Anthony Pettis can submit anybody. | ||
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I agree. | |
| He'll submit anybody. | ||
| Ben Henderson, I agree. | ||
| That guy knows how to squeeze necks. | ||
| He knows how to take arms. | ||
| He's a finisher. | ||
| He's very good on the ground. | ||
| He's a finisher. | ||
| And the way he throws a strike so powerful with no wind-up, he just doesn't wind up. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Right? | ||
| He throws him Taekwondo style. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way to beat him with power. | ||
| Dose Andrews is going to be a tougher fight for him, I think, though. | ||
| It's going to be a tough fight, but... | ||
| Well, the tough fight for him is Nurmagomedov. | ||
| Habib Nurmagomedov is the tough fight. | ||
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Dude, I'm trying to tell Cowboy, don't fight him, man. | |
| Wait for your fucking title shot. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Because at 155, to get a title shot is going to be a fucking nightmare. | ||
| Is he going to fight that guy? | ||
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Pfft. | |
| Is that the story? | ||
| Man. | ||
| So if you're trying to set that fight up, for sure, you just fought fucking six times in like nine weeks. | ||
| Take some time off. | ||
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Gangster! | |
| Cowboy! | ||
|
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Woo! | |
| Yeah, it's great to be gangster, but at a certain point his management needs to be like, dude, sit out, you'll fight the winner. | ||
| No matter what happens, he'll never fade away. | ||
| Cowboy will be around for as long as he can handle it. | ||
| Which is great, which is great. | ||
| If I'm his business manager, I'm saying, you wait for the title shot. | ||
| You've won what, six in a row? | ||
| And you get fired, too. | ||
| You'd be one of those shady managers that they fucking get on the underground and say, fuck! | ||
| Fuck Brendan. | ||
| Nah, you don't want me to come manager. | ||
| I'll take this bitch over. | ||
| You don't want me to manage, dudes. | ||
| You don't want me to do that. | ||
| How many manager stories have you heard? | ||
| Like manager after manager after manager. | ||
| But with Cowboy, it's easy. | ||
| Don't fight, bro. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Wait, man. | ||
| You've done all this work. | ||
| We're in the gray opportunity. | ||
| You're going to get a title shot. | ||
| Let's wait. | ||
| Don't fight fucking Habib. | ||
| He might have to wait a long time, though. | ||
| Habib's ahead of him in line. | ||
| You know, I mean, there's a lot of fights out there. | ||
| I mean, he might have to wait a while. | ||
| You wait. | ||
| Title shots. | ||
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Think about how hard it is to get a title shot at 155. Are people waiting and denying... | |
| Are they denying fights? | ||
| Vitor. | ||
| Vitor didn't... | ||
| That happens every now and then, but generally, Dana White offers a fighter, Joe Silva, and you fucking just do it, right? | ||
| When you're Donald Cerrone, and you're fucking, I mean, him and Dana... | ||
| He could command fights? | ||
| It's like stepbrothers. | ||
| They're boys. | ||
| Think how much he fought for him. | ||
| He fought Ben on a two week, three week notice. | ||
| And you win seven in a row? | ||
| Well, Cowboy wants to fight a lot. | ||
| I think he feels more comfortable when he fights a lot. | ||
| He gets better when he fights a lot. | ||
| So I would not go with that advice. | ||
| You wouldn't. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Because he's not in line for an immediate title shot. | ||
| If he was in line for an immediate title shot, I would say, that's good advice, wait it out. | ||
| But he's not. | ||
| There's other guys ahead of him. | ||
| This shit could take a year. | ||
| Look, what if Pettis hurts himself again? | ||
| Okay, Pettis hurt himself with Gilbert. | ||
| A lot of people were saying, but that interim fight's no good, man. | ||
| Still champ. | ||
| Pettis hurt himself, had to go through surgery. | ||
| He's gone through at least two surgeries, and there was rumor that he hurt his hand or something after the fight with Gil, and it turned out that wasn't true. | ||
| If it was hurt, it was okay. | ||
| He could, you know, rest it, and it'll be fine. | ||
| Anything could happen. | ||
| Look at the fucking heavyweight division. | ||
| They had to have an interim title because at a certain point in time, it's like Kane's going through another charge. | ||
| They're like, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| And you can't wait around for a title shot if that's the situation. | ||
| The other thing is Cowboy fights so much better when he's active. | ||
| I think it's good general advice, I think, what you're saying. | ||
| But, like, Cowboy fights so much better and his head is in tune a lot better. | ||
| I just don't want to see him fight. | ||
| The thing is, so he takes off six months or whatever it is, and he comes back. | ||
| He's not going to get a tune-up fight. | ||
| He's going to fight somebody that's a fucking savage. | ||
| It's almost better for him to stay in the fucking woods, you know? | ||
| Almost, yeah. | ||
| Is woods bad or good? | ||
| What's the woods? | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I think, first of all, a guy like Nurmagomedov is an elite grappler. | ||
| And it'll show you where Cowboy's defense is and where his back game is. | ||
| Because Cowboy has a very nasty triangle that people forget about. | ||
| He's got a nasty game up. | ||
| Cowboy's a super finisher. | ||
| Very nasty off his back. | ||
| So I wouldn't say that he couldn't beat Nurmagomedov. | ||
| And if he did beat Nurmagomedov, especially if he fucking showed his versatility by submitting him, I mean, you would think if Cowboy's gonna win, like most people would say probably by knockout, right? | ||
| Like Nurmagomedov... | ||
| Stand up. | ||
| Yeah, he'd head kick him or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, man, if he caught him with something on the ground, man, that would be even more impressive, in my opinion. | ||
| I mean, catch him in his own realm. | ||
| Nurmagomedov is the elite grappler. | ||
| Whether he could do that or not is a big if. | ||
| You know, like a guy like Nurmagomedov's been doing combat sambo, combat sambo world champion, and you watch him fight Dos Anjos, it's pretty obvious his grappling is on some next level shit. | ||
| Another level, man. | ||
| Because he just... | ||
| Took that dude to the ground any time he wanted to, ragdolled him, threw him away, pounded on his face, elbowed him. | ||
| And he beat Donald! | ||
| Dos Sanchos beat Donald! | ||
| And he beat Ben! | ||
| So you look at Conor McGregor, he's not fighting these elite grapplers. | ||
| So why does Cowboy have to fight this? | ||
| I think he wants to. | ||
| I think he wants to. | ||
| And if he wins, god damn, dude. | ||
| If he wins. | ||
| I mean, think about it. | ||
| He took the Benson fight with two weeks notice. | ||
| A lot of people think he didn't win. | ||
| It was a very close, controversial decision. | ||
| I thought, personally, I thought Henderson was going to get the nod. | ||
| I didn't re-watch the fights. | ||
| I'm not committed to that. | ||
| I'm not married to that. | ||
| But I think Benson was more effective. | ||
| He did more shit. | ||
| Got more things off. | ||
| And I knew Cowboy was pretty banged up going into that fight, too. | ||
| Especially after the way he was kicking Miles Jury's Yeah, he looked like a guy who just fought two weeks ago. | ||
| He still looked good, but took a head kick and fucking played it off. | ||
| He got head kicked at one point in time by Ben and played it off well. | ||
| You could see him stiffen up though. | ||
| He got rung. | ||
| It's tough, man. | ||
| You fight, and then you fight two weeks later, you're gonna be busted up. | ||
| Especially cutting that weight, man. | ||
| There has to be some sort of point of no return where your body's just like, dude, we can't keep doing this. | ||
| But then also, you look at Nurmagomedov, and he's been out for a long time. | ||
| He's had a knee surgery, and then I think he fucked something up again. | ||
| Like, I think he hurt his knee and then retrained too quick or something like that. | ||
| He's been out for a long time. | ||
| So he's healing up, trying to get back on the men, because they... | ||
| The reason why they gave Gil the title shot, I mean, I think Gil was supposed to get the title shot, but they were going to have, Nurmagomedov was in the mix, and they tried to offer him a big fight, but he couldn't take it because his knee was fucked up. | ||
| That was like about six months ago. | ||
| I forget what fight he couldn't take. | ||
| But, so, he's been out for a while, too, so it's not a bad time for Cowboy to catch him, you know, if you wanted to look at him. | ||
| Yeah, if you're going to catch him, yeah. | ||
| If you're going to catch him, it's not a bad time. | ||
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Are they both Greg Jackson? | |
| They both trained. | ||
| No, one's A.K.A. No. | ||
| Rustom Habilov is Greg Jackson. | ||
| A lot of those crazy Russians. | ||
| And Benson beat Rustom Habilov. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So that was a big win for him. | ||
| That fucking lightweight division is filled with murderers, man. | ||
| Just murderers in a row, man. | ||
| So many killers. | ||
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I think Dos Anjos has got a really good shot of beating Pettis. | |
| I think he's got the best shot. | ||
| He's got a strong grappling game. | ||
| He's very physically strong. | ||
| Look at that Nate Diaz fight. | ||
| His grappling game is very strong. | ||
| He's very fucking big. | ||
| He's very fit. | ||
| His leg kicks are nasty as shit. | ||
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Yeah, he's worth his kickboxing, man. | |
| Yeah, so it's like he's not an easy out on the feet. | ||
| It's not like Pettis could just light him up on the feet. | ||
| I think it's going to be on the feet. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see if Pettis can get off. | ||
| Pettis is definitely quicker. | ||
| He's definitely more experienced against world-class competition and being successful. | ||
| Pettis knocked out Cowboy. | ||
| Pettis, he's something special. | ||
| He really is. | ||
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It's also the South Pole. | |
| It's going to be interesting. | ||
| It's going to be really hard for anybody to stand with Pettis. | ||
| He's too scary. | ||
| He hits so hard with all the unorthodox stuff. | ||
| I mean, he has the craziest kick ever. | ||
| I'd love to see Connor Aldo do it. | ||
| Yeah, I wanted to see Aldo versus Pettis, and they were trying to set that up. | ||
| They were, yeah. | ||
| And then we tell you something, Pettis was ready to go down to 145. He doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| He's like, I want to fight that dude. | ||
| He goes, I think I can beat that motherfucker. | ||
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That's when he hurt his knee, right? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine Pettis going... | ||
| Remember they were setting that up? | ||
| They were setting up that super fight. | ||
| Pettis going down to 145 and fighting Aldo would be fucking crazy. | ||
| Looking at those two guys facing off against each other, that would be insane. | ||
| That's a super fight. | ||
| What do you think Eric Silva? | ||
| Break him down. | ||
| Eric Silva is a very aggressive dude. | ||
| He's a very tough guy. | ||
| Like, you look at his fight with Matt Brown, he's a ferocious dude for like the first round or so. | ||
| Round, two rounds. | ||
| I've never seen him do like a Nurmagomedov type fight. | ||
| Or a... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| A Dos Anjos fight. | ||
| Just Dos Anjos, the way he ground down Nate Diaz for three rounds. | ||
| Kicked him, took him out, smashed him. | ||
| Constantly working, constantly working. | ||
| Eric Silva, I think, especially earlier in his career, tended to run out of gas. | ||
| Like, John Fitch outfitched him. | ||
| John Fitch just kind of took him down, mauled him, and stayed on him, and wore him out. | ||
| He just got worn out. | ||
| He's not the same guy towards the end of the fight. | ||
| And Matt Brown, that's Matt Brown's world. | ||
| You know, he's into drowning, bitches. | ||
| Matt Brown drowns motherfuckers. | ||
| That's what he does. | ||
| You know, and Eric heard him. | ||
| He heard him in the first round. | ||
| He hit him with a nasty body kick. | ||
| He's got a real good left kick to the liver. | ||
| He throws that kick. | ||
| He'll throw it like a front kick, too. | ||
| He'll throw it that way, too. | ||
| He's really good with his distance, with his kicks. | ||
| He's super aggressive. | ||
| His ground game is real solid. | ||
| But he's just, to me, it's like he's emotional or something or too much adrenaline or something. | ||
| But it doesn't seem to hold a pace that he can sustain. | ||
| And if you get in there with a guy like Matt Brown, you've got to know when to lay off the gas, man. | ||
| You've got to know what kind of shape you're in. | ||
| Matt Brown exposes people. | ||
| He did to Wonderboy. | ||
| He exposed Wonderboy. | ||
| I'm not saying this in a negative way towards Wonderboy, because I think Wonderboy, what was exposed in that fight, according to my conversation with Wonderboy, is that he overtrained. | ||
| He said he was really trying to deal with the cardio and the shit that Matt Brown was throwing at him, but he said he might have overdid it because he was just real flat. | ||
| And then, you know, Matt, you can't have an off day when you're fighting Matt Brown. | ||
| Matt breaks guys, right? | ||
| His pace breaks, dudes. | ||
| If you watch Matt Brown vs. | ||
| Eric Silva, I think Matt eventually broke him. | ||
| That pace is just like, what the fuck? | ||
| That first round's gonna be a beast. | ||
| I got my boy Killer B all day. | ||
| Your guard right now is so unusual. | ||
| And the more you... | ||
| Concentrate on training with this motherfucker. | ||
| You, to me, are like... | ||
| I've been waiting for someone to come along, outside of Aoki, but of course Aoki always has those crazy tights on. | ||
| It's so hard to find someone in MMA that understands that guard correctly. | ||
| And to be able to have the kind of flexibility and dexterity you have and wrap guys up, you're going to see you get into positions like Jason Day was when he fought Alan Belcher in Canada. | ||
| He wrapped him up in that Mission Control and dropped some bows on him, man. | ||
| And you realize that if someone is good at this position, you leave someone incredibly vulnerable. | ||
| Incredibly vulnerable. | ||
| It's just that position is there all day. | ||
| The position to lock up arms, mission control, in order to get to a good place of completely controlling a guy in a way that you rarely see in closed guard. | ||
| The technique is around in grappling. | ||
| You see it in grappling, but in MMA, it's not because it doesn't work. | ||
| But to me, it's like wheel kicks. | ||
| Like, for the longest time, we just didn't see them, and everybody didn't think they worked. | ||
| And then Barbosa lands that fucking nuclear weapon on Terry Edom, and everybody's spinning now. | ||
| Vitor's winning with spinning heel kicks. | ||
| Knocks out Luke Rockhold with the fucking spinning. | ||
| Junior Dos Santos hits Mark Hunt with it. | ||
| I mean, I think that once someone sees what a guy like you is capable off of his back, it opens up... | ||
| So much defensive possibilities and so much offensive possibilities, too. | ||
| Like, you're way safer defensively and your offense off your back in positions that people don't think they're vulnerable for. | ||
| You know, like, everybody puts their fucking hands on the mat in the UFC. Everyone does. | ||
| Everyone does. | ||
| You put your hands on the mat at his school and you're gonna have an elbow problem. | ||
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Who do you do your stand-up for? | |
| You're gonna get your shit snapped. | ||
| Or you're gonna get your neck snapped. | ||
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He was in Cole Miller's corner. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Yeah, he's, uh, Noguchi. | |
| The great thing about Ben is I've had so many MMA fighters come through and try to add the rubber guard or other techniques to their MMA game and sometimes Someone will come and their striking will be really bad. | ||
| They got really good jujitsu. | ||
| They want to do MMA. They just started striking six months ago. | ||
| They want to add rubber guard. | ||
| I'm like, okay, we're going to add rubber guard, but man, you got a long way to go with your striking. | ||
| Or a guy will come from a wrestling background, a really good wrestler, not that good striking, just started jujitsu. | ||
| He wants to do MMA. We've got a lot to work on. | ||
| We've got to work on a lot of other jiu-jitsu than rubber guard. | ||
| We're not just going to work on rubber guard. | ||
| We've got to get your passing together. | ||
| We've got to get your guard retention together. | ||
| We've got to get so much other stuff together. | ||
| This is a long-term project. | ||
| But they're awesome. | ||
| They're awesome people. | ||
| Yeah, they're awesome people. | ||
| And then sometimes you have a tremendous striker coming to me. | ||
| Man, I want to learn some rubber guard. | ||
| He has zero wrestling and his jiu-jitsu is blue belt level. | ||
| And the same with him. | ||
| You have tremendous striking. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| But man, dudes are going to try to take you down and you got to have guard retention skills. | ||
| You got to have just so much other pieces of the game that it's not just rubber guards. | ||
| So it's a lot of things that you got to work on. | ||
| But when Ben came to me, he came to me with UFC experience. | ||
| He came to me as a black belt from Ricardo Laborio, so I don't have to really work on anything else, but just really... | ||
| He's got tremendously long legs for his size. | ||
| He's 6'2", 6'3", buddy. | ||
| He's got the legs of a dude that's 6'8", and they're super flexible. | ||
| He's super flexible, and a lot of guys that come to me, They're ready to fight and they're doing pretty good, but they don't have the flexibility. | ||
| We've got to get the flexibility together. | ||
| That could take a year. | ||
| That could take two years. | ||
| That could take three years. | ||
| That could take two months, depending on how much time they're willing to put into their flexibility. | ||
| Ben came to me already a black belt from Ricardo Laborio. | ||
| Already had his flexibility. | ||
| Already was playing versions of the rubber guard. | ||
| He was already bringing his legs up. | ||
| And... | ||
| He's an amazing striker. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's really easy for me. | ||
| He wants to stand up. | ||
| He don't even want to take it to the ground, but it just seems like at least his last two opponents in the UFC wanted to take him down. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
| Seth Heatherly? | ||
| Chris Heatherly. | ||
| He wanted to take you down. | ||
| He saw your tape. | ||
| When you look at the tape, and to be honest with you, I'm so buried. | ||
| I've been buried with just life the last few years. | ||
| I haven't kept up with MMA like I want to. | ||
| I just don't have the time. | ||
| And I never watched Bellator. | ||
| When Ben went to Bellator, I kind of lost track. | ||
| I saw one or two fights. | ||
| I lost track. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Vicious, right? | ||
| Beast. | ||
| Did you see this kick you just threw? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| He's a hell of an athlete, too. | ||
| He just threw a wicked fucking round kick. | ||
| This is also his tenth fight in this arena. | ||
| All his fights were coming up, all his fights were in this arena. | ||
| Whatever we're going to say about anything else, let's wrap it up before we get to this fight. | ||
| Yeah, real quick, I just wanted to finish what I was saying about Ben. | ||
| He came to me and I really didn't know how good of a striker he was. | ||
| I'm just the one who came up to me and said, what do you know about a striker? | ||
| I go, he's pretty good, he's got good knees, right? | ||
| I remember the killer B knees. | ||
| He goes, dude, go watch him on YouTube. | ||
| This guy is fucking... | ||
| Super killer. | ||
| So I went and I watched a highlight reel of Ben Saunders, and when you watch a highlight reel, like, oh shit, here's a highlight reel of him fucking starching dudes and fucking him up with all sorts of shit. | ||
| Knees, head kicks, spinning back fists, elbows, boom. | ||
| Man, it makes it easier to teach someone when they're already coming as a killer. | ||
| Team killer B! What do you think Benson Henderson's weighing right now as he gets into the octagon? | ||
| Like, how much do you think he was cutting? | ||
| What do you think he probably weighs right now? | ||
| 175, 180. I'd say 170. 171. Well, so you think that that's all he weighed before he started his cut down to 155? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just fought, too. | ||
| He just fought. | ||
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It's hard to put back on weight. | |
| He just fought. | ||
| Brandon Thatch's head coach, Lisa Bowling, wrestled in college with Ben Henderson, and they're super close. | ||
| And that's what he was saying, the advantage is Ben walks around at maybe 170, barely. | ||
| And we know Thatch, on a strict diet, lean as fuck will enter the... | ||
| Octonite at 190, which is crazy, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So there's a big difference in the size. | ||
| So you're talking about, we're probably looking at a 15 pound plus difference. | ||
| There's your boy Joe Riggs. | ||
| 15 pounds, and you're talking about a dude who's a KO artist, too, at 170. Right. | ||
| He looks the same. | ||
| He doesn't look any bigger. | ||
| But grappling's different. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But grappling will be the difference. | ||
| What I was going to say is, has he ever fought someone at this level? | ||
| Because Benson is at a very high level. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| No, he hasn't. | ||
| This is like the biggest... | ||
| Fought Paulo Thiago in Brazil. | ||
| Yeah, but Paulo Thiago's nowhere as good as Benson Henderson is. | ||
| I know. | ||
| All due respect to Paulo. | ||
| That's the highest level he's fought. | ||
| It was in Brazil. | ||
| Odds are against him. | ||
| You mean supplement-wise? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love that you said yes! | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| Well, I wonder how many guys, man, how many guys did get the fucking free pass from the doctor. | ||
| My friend, don't worry about this. | ||
| I got the right urine for you in this one. | ||
| I mean, it had to have happened somewhere along the line in some country where a local guy got a free pass on a drug test. | ||
| That would be a giant scandal if we found out that someone in the Athletic Commission in some place was involved in doping someone, like helping some fucking super Geronimo type dude. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| It wouldn't even surprise me. | ||
| No, it wouldn't surprise me. | ||
| It wouldn't surprise me. | ||
| I was more surprised about Bruce Jenner turning a chick. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| That surprised the shit out of me. | ||
| It was shocking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shocking. | ||
| Fuck my day up. | ||
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Fuck my day up. | |
| I want to go back to the podcast when we were ragging on Callan about it and listening to it. | ||
| It's an Olympian. | ||
| One of the best Olympians ever, son. | ||
| It's an Olympian. | ||
| Is he the first Corn Flakes box or something like that? | ||
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Wheaties. | |
| Wheaties, son. | ||
| Corn Flakes. | ||
| Whatever, whatever. | ||
| Bruce Buffer, more airtime. | ||
| He's doing all this cool shit right now. | ||
| He's got the most longevity in the UFC. Well, people are more into what he does now. | ||
| Even the UFC appreciates it now. | ||
| Like these wacky moves. | ||
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They used to be embarrassed by his wacky moves. | |
| Isn't it true that Eddie Bravo gave him the idea and the inspiration for the Buffer 360? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That was my idea. | ||
| The Matrix Buffer. | ||
| That was my idea, son. | ||
| The Matrix Buffer was a different one. | ||
| He never ran with it. | ||
| It was too hard. | ||
| The 360. It was too hard. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Don't say it was too hard. | ||
| Say the fans weren't ready for it. | ||
| I wanted him to do this move where instead of just going like that or spinning and going like that, like him going like this, keeping eye contact. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Coming through like that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I can't even do it. | ||
| You'd have to practice. | ||
| But the idea is like... | ||
| Like that? | ||
| He didn't want to do it. | ||
| You've got to have some good back flexibility to do that. | ||
| Can you imagine if you can pull it off? | ||
| Can you imagine if you went like that? | ||
| Keep eye contact. | ||
| Keep eye contact and you went like that. | ||
| Joe, you know what's weird? | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Let's say Thatch knocks him out. | ||
| What's it do for Thatch? | ||
| Because Ben's really a 55er. | ||
| Puts him on the map. | ||
| Puts him on the map, right? | ||
| Because it's such a big win. | ||
| But in 170, does it? | ||
| Does it make a statement at 170? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he talked about doing 170 before. | ||
| Everybody knows he's a big 155er. | ||
| He's a world champion. | ||
| I mean, Benson Henderson is a legit world champion class fighter. | ||
| UFC champion. | ||
| I mean, he's stepping up to 70 for sure, but for Thatch, that's a giant win. | ||
| And for Benson, it's to let everybody know, hey, you know, I can fuck some people up at 170 too, including really dangerous, unheralded young guys that no one wants to fight. | ||
| And that's Thatch. | ||
| There's a lot of dudes that do not want to fight that guy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I know, a couple guys turned the fight down. | ||
| God damn, he's big! | ||
| That is a big motherfucker! | ||
| He's 6'2. | ||
| Brandon's 6'2. | ||
| He's a beast, dude. | ||
| Yeah, he's a thick dude. | ||
| This is gonna be a hard fight for him. | ||
| Athletic too, man. | ||
| Grappling's always been his Achilles heel. | ||
| And you can tell, like, he does not have a doubt in his mind, man. | ||
| Lister's been working with him. | ||
| Like a motherfucker. | ||
| Like a mother. | ||
| Lister knows his shit, man. | ||
| Lister knows his shit. | ||
| He's been sleeping in the wrestling room. | ||
| Lister Bowling's no joke. | ||
| Lister Bowling, yeah, and Elliot Marshall helping out with jiu-jitsu. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Here we go. | ||
| 454, if you want to keep up with us. | ||
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Oh, a bit of weight. | |
| Oh! | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
| That's just a superstar in Denver, too, man. | ||
| I don't know if you saw the billboards in the back. | ||
| Look how calm he is here, too, walking him down. | ||
| Clear size difference. | ||
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| I love Ben, though, man. | ||
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Thatch is real confident. | |
| God, switching stances. | ||
| Making a miss. | ||
| Well, Benson's got to get some respect here, for sure. | ||
| He's got to tag him with something that gives him at least some concern. | ||
| I'll tell you what, if he shoots, though, Thatch's knees, man. | ||
| They're legendary in Denver. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Damn. | ||
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You can already see his kind of... | |
| He's just waiting for him to shoot. | ||
| His knee is fucking nasty. | ||
| Oh shit, I'm sorry. | ||
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Last chip. | |
| Good body shot by Ben. | ||
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Damn. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| You don't want to be in the clinch with Thatch either, man. | ||
| Dude, this fucking kid's stand-up is good. | ||
| Nice setup there. | ||
| I like how he faked with the right to set up distance for the left. | ||
| He's super creative, man. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Benson throws that hook. | ||
| The last guy who I saw as creative as Thatch is Cub Swanson. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| And you said that he's been trained by his dad since he was a little kid? | ||
| Yeah, since he's in diapers, man. | ||
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That's cool. | |
| He used to come in the gym and we literally just watch him just destroy cats with knees, southpaw, traditional stance, whatever you want to do. | ||
| Dude, I like how he switches back and forth effortlessly. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Look at that. | ||
| Nice check there, too. | ||
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Real calm. | |
| He switches. | ||
| Ooh, nice right hand to the body by Benson. | ||
| Great body shot by Benson. | ||
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Henderson's backing up a lot. | |
| But he's chasing him down. | ||
| Henderson's backing up a lot. | ||
| But listen, the longer this goes, the better it is for Ben. | ||
| Thatch is big as fuck. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Big kick to the body. | ||
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This is not looking good. | |
| Oh, right hand over the top by Thatch. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| These look like different weight classes. | ||
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This is not looking good for Henderson, man. | |
| You remember, too, Thatch, like I said, he's fought in this arena eight or nine times. | ||
| He's the main event. | ||
| Pretty uncomfortable here. | ||
| He's used to being, you know, the star attraction. | ||
| So what you're saying is... | ||
| He's nervous. | ||
| Has nasty elbows, too, man. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| Hard inside leg kick check by Henderson. | ||
| Dude, he's big. | ||
| Oh, nice front kick by Henderson to knock him down. | ||
| Doesn't hurt him, but keeps him honest. | ||
| Get all off your back. | ||
| Southpaw. | ||
| Dude, he hits hard. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| It's very fluid with his kicks, man. | ||
| See how he's switching traditional softball? | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's super fluid, man. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, he's trying to set up a kick. | ||
| See how he's dropping his hands? | ||
| Standing sideways looking for the spin, my friend. | ||
| If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying get him against the cage and wear him out, man. | ||
| Get him to the third and fourth round. | ||
| He's setting something up. | ||
| He's like, he's setting a spin up. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like he's setting up a spinning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He keeps doing it. | ||
| Like, he keeps leading with that left. | ||
| When he gets that left forward, he's looking to spin with his right side. | ||
| But he just isn't pulling the trigger on. | ||
| He's thinking about it too much. | ||
| That was a nice inside leg kick. | ||
| Great body shot. | ||
| Oh, I like that body shot. | ||
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You do not want to be in that clinch, son. | |
| Just so much stronger. | ||
| Damn, that's where five minutes is a long time. | ||
| This kind of scrap. | ||
| Ooh, nice body kick by Henderson. | ||
| I'm interested to see Thatch in the third and fourth round. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Dude, he's going after Benson. | ||
| Going after him, man. | ||
| Oh, nice jab. | ||
| Great knee. | ||
| Damn, big kick up high. | ||
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Woo, nice. | |
| Nice combo by Henderson. | ||
| Made him switch. | ||
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God, he's fast at cutting him off. | |
| And that's just from a karate background, you said? | ||
| Karate background. | ||
| And his main sparring partner is Matt Brown. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Matt Brown and Neil Magny are the guys that rotate in on him. | ||
| Matt Brown lives on his couch when he does his camps in Denver. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Matt Brown lives in Cleveland, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Cincinnati or Cleveland? | ||
| I think Cincinnati. | ||
| Columbus? | ||
| Columbus, yeah. | ||
| Columbus, Ohio, right? | ||
| Yeah, Columbus, Ohio. | ||
| I know he trains at Westside Barbell. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He does some stuff with that Louis Simmons guy. | ||
| Those guys are badass. | ||
| I got one of those reverse hypers in the back. | ||
| Oh, sweet. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I just did a seminar with the powerlifting people, the strongest woman in the world and her husband and shit, and it's fucking phenomenal. | ||
| It's awesome shit. | ||
| And really it's something that all fighters... | ||
| As far as when you see guys lose knockout power, dudes that used to have it, starching dudes, and then they don't, and it's like they're just tapping dudes now. | ||
| I feel like their training is... | ||
| Strength-wise, you're saying? | ||
| Yeah, and they actually lose that power. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's like with Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| We didn't see a lot of rubber guard for a long time, and now it's creeping in and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| There's a time in MMA where there was nobody that was... | ||
| It was pushing a guard game. | ||
| They're like, stand up and scrap again, right? | ||
| And that's because the coaches didn't know any better. | ||
| And now, like, a lot of guys like Dwayne Ludwig's in the world that are, like, actual fighters that came out and now they can put that together. | ||
| That's changing the whole face of it, I think, you know? | ||
| So you mean, like, now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
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And now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning as Yeah, well, you never forget. | |
| It's a bunch of people that don't know better. | ||
| Ooh, right hooked by Benson. | ||
| That Marv Marinovich camps, those Marv Marinovich camps that BJ went through for the best performances of his career. | ||
| You know, he hated doing it, but man, watch BJ when he fought Diego Sanchez. | ||
| He was a motherfucker. | ||
| That was at USC, right? | ||
| He was doing all that at USC. Yeah, he was doing all kinds of crazy shit. | ||
| I mean, there's videos of him working out. | ||
| He said he was so tired at night he couldn't even pick up his baby. | ||
| You know, he said he was just exhausted. | ||
| But, ooh, Benson caught him. | ||
| But the result was incredible. | ||
| Oh, looking for a knee. | ||
| Yeah, those knees, man. | ||
| The result was incredible. | ||
| I mean, BJ, in that kind of tip-tip-top condition, is such a motherfucker, man. | ||
| Did you see the Roots of Fight BJ documentary? | ||
| They sent that to you? | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| I haven't watched it yet, though, but I heard it's amazing. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| That way you're wearing a BJ pin shirt? | ||
| Well, they sent it to me, but I just watched the documentary yesterday. | ||
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Respect to BJ. Makes a difference. | |
| Yeah, BJ was a beast, man. | ||
| There's Lister Bowling Christian Allen, the masterminds behind Brandon Thatch. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Now, do you think Thatch is starting to slow down? | ||
| Yeah, it looks like it, doesn't it? | ||
| It's interesting to see Thatch in the third and fourth round, man. | ||
| Well, how about the fifth, if he gets into that, right? | ||
| But what is the knock on him as far as his conditioning? | ||
| He's knocking everyone out in the first round, so we really don't know. | ||
| I mean, in training, he's always been a beast. | ||
| As long as this is all stand-up, he can do ten rounds. | ||
| If Ben starts grappling with him, I think Brandon's going to be in some trouble. | ||
| Do you think maybe Benson might know that? | ||
| It might be like looking to stand with him for the first couple of rounds and then wear him down the third, fourth, and fifth and then start taking him down if you had to be in his corner? | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what I'd say to do. | ||
| Well, the thing is, like I said, Lister Bowling is really good friends with Ben and Ben's head coach, Crouch, they just talked like when Cowboy and Ben fought. | ||
| They just toss. | ||
| And he told them, he goes, yeah, the best guy in our camp right now is Brandon Thatch. | ||
| And he told them about him. | ||
| He's like, he's this monster. | ||
| The next thing you know, they're fighting each other. | ||
| Dude, that switch that he, oh, spinning back kick to the body. | ||
| That switch that he does, where it makes it look like he's going to throw a right kick, and then he sets up the left, or a left kick, and he sets up the right. | ||
| That's some beautiful shit, man. | ||
| That's something you only see in, like, high-level kickboxing most of the time. | ||
| Good jab at that. | ||
| I really wish Ben would grapple, man. | ||
| Ooh, nice jab. | ||
| He's got to be waiting for it. | ||
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Right? | |
| Or maybe he just thinks the dude's too big. | ||
| He doesn't want to fuck with that. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Ben's a high-level grappler wrestler, man. | ||
| That's a beautiful fucking jab right hand. | ||
| Or jab left hand. | ||
| But then Ben just went for a leg. | ||
| But that might be to keep him honest, you know? | ||
| I think Ben needs to switch it up. | ||
| Get him guessing, man. | ||
| Ben is throwing a lot of right hooks to the body over and over again. | ||
| Did he lose his balance right there? | ||
| Nah, it looks like he got rocked a little bit. | ||
| He should have come back and tried to press him on the fence, see if he could hold him on the fence. | ||
| Ben looks like he's a little rocked. | ||
| His legs aren't underneath him. | ||
| To risk being pinned against the fence by him would be death. | ||
| Good body shots. | ||
| I bet he goes up top soon. | ||
| Good move moving these main event fights to five rounds, right? | ||
| Except for the fighters. | ||
| It's so much more entertaining. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Especially in camp. | ||
| Yeah, ooh, nice straight left. | ||
| It is great to watch, but you've got to think they can't. | ||
| Like Stipe Miocic and Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| How many of those can you do? | ||
| Oh, damn Ragdoll. | ||
| He needs to not stay down here though. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He just tossed him down. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I poked there or something? | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I love that show, Respect, the middle of combat. | ||
| Those guys just hugged. | ||
| No one's even talking about it. | ||
| Oh, beautiful jab. | ||
| And then Switch's stance. | ||
| He's got angles, man. | ||
| Dude, he's very creative, man. | ||
| Very creative. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Ragdolled him again! | ||
| He needs to let him up, though. | ||
| Don't stay down there, Ben. | ||
| How about keep holding on to that leg and kicking the shit out of it? | ||
| I mean, I think if Ben's going to try and win this, he needs to go for singles, even if he doesn't get them. | ||
| I like that right hook to the body that Ben's stepping in with. | ||
| He's landed that a lot, man. | ||
| That's a nasty shot. | ||
| Yeah, that's a nasty shot, man. | ||
| He might be trying to set up the up top, right? | ||
| Get a guy to get used to covering that because he expects it, and then go over the top. | ||
| I think Thatch is setting up the head kick. | ||
| He keeps going low into the body. | ||
| Well, he would think that he would have an advantage in speed, but what he might have an advantage is pace, the ability to keep that pace up for five rounds. | ||
| He's done that so many times. | ||
| Benson is a master at understanding his own limitations as far as cardio. | ||
| He keeps a solid fucking pace. | ||
| He knows exactly how to redline it, and he can redline it for five rounds. | ||
| He knows his body real well in wars. | ||
| Think of those Frankie Edgar fights. | ||
| He's gotten some hard five-round fights. | ||
| That's a huge advantage, especially knowing you've been there. | ||
| You know the territory. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| As opposed to Thatch. | ||
| I think that's his biggest advantage in this fight, and I don't feel like he's using it. | ||
| Well, we're going into round three now. | ||
| I mean, this is right when he... | ||
| You've got to think John Crouch, his coach... | ||
| One of the geniuses of MMA. There's like a handful of geniuses. | ||
| Like Matt Hume, Faraz Zahabi is one of my favorite. | ||
| Greg Jackson has a lot of knowledge. | ||
| You know, Ricardo Laborio is a genius of MMA. There's a few maestros. | ||
| John Donaher, there's a few of them. | ||
| John Crouch is one of them. | ||
| So when you're agreeing to fight a kid like this, he's not dumb. | ||
| He knows this kid's a fucking giant savage. | ||
| You know, there's got to be some... | ||
| Thought to what the proper strategy is, and you know the kid as good as anybody, and your thoughts are third round, fourth round, fifth round. | ||
| Turn it on now. | ||
| If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying, alright, now let's start mixing up, grappling, go for shots, wear his ass out. | ||
| He's clearly lost two rounds, though. | ||
| Most likely, yeah. | ||
| It's in Denver, too. | ||
| And he had double underhooks at one time when they were transitioning out on a failed spin. | ||
| And he didn't even try to take him down. | ||
| I thought he would have tried to dump him. | ||
| And it is in Denver, too. | ||
| It's in Denver. | ||
| That's his hometown. | ||
| And he felt it, and then he went away. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But there was like 17 seconds left. | ||
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High altitude, short notice fight. | |
| Yeah, he went front leg round kick to the head. | ||
| You don't see that that often. | ||
| No switch. | ||
| I bet we see some takedowns. | ||
| Benson's got a lot of Taekwondo in him as well, man. | ||
| You know, I mean, that was his initial background. | ||
| Well, the thing is, is we've seen two takedowns. | ||
| Both from Thatch. | ||
| Yep, and they were ragdoll takedowns. | ||
| They would take downs and we'd expect someone to say, bitch! | ||
| He dumped them twice. | ||
| I like that right hook to the body that Benson's been throwing. | ||
| It's very interesting to me. | ||
| Like, oh shit! | ||
| Oh, and the right hand behind it. | ||
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Goddamn. | |
| Oh, he's so big. | ||
| I'm going to freak out if Ben doesn't attempt to take down here. | ||
| I'm going to freak out and eat this, Mike. | ||
| I don't think he can take him down. | ||
| You gotta attempt it, man, because you're getting fucking picked apart. | ||
| Do you think he's getting picked apart? | ||
| I wouldn't say it that much. | ||
| I don't think he's getting picked apart. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what, man? | ||
| I don't think he likes the way it feels. | ||
| I feel like he feels how strong those hips are, and he's like, fuck this, abort. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
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He almost did it again. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There we go! | ||
| Let's keep him against the cage. | ||
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This is 170, bro. | |
| This is 170. I know, but you're wearing Thatch out. | ||
| He's not a grappler by nature. | ||
| Look at this, though. | ||
| This is 170. This is exactly what you gotta do. | ||
| If you're gonna win, this is exactly what you gotta do. | ||
| Even if you don't get it. | ||
| He's savage. | ||
| Even if you don't get it. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Thatcher's uncomfortable here. | ||
| I guarantee you Thatcher's going to slow down after this. | ||
| I'm listening to Brendan. | ||
| He might slow himself down. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| I'm listening to Brendan Shaw. | ||
| Brendan knows the kid. | ||
| He's giving up the back. | ||
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Give it up the back. | |
| And big deep breaths. | ||
| And now, confusion and a loss of confidence as well, right? | ||
| Yes, and this is Ben's world. | ||
| He's a grappler. | ||
| This is what he does. | ||
| But Brennan Thatch has got to grapple a little bit. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Not like Ben Henderson. | ||
| Ben Henderson is a true... | ||
| This is Ben Henderson's world. | ||
| Look at him trap the arm! | ||
| Trap the arm! | ||
| Thatch got out of it pretty quick, though. | ||
| But look at, you know, he's letting him know, like some shit's going down. | ||
| Yeah, son, you're in my world. | ||
| Sweet stand-up, check this out. | ||
| We're in the third round, dude. | ||
| You're in a bad spot here, kid. | ||
| Hold on to that glove if you want to save your life. | ||
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He's hitting him in the dick. | |
| Oh, look at Thatch's eye, man. | ||
| Look at his right eye. | ||
| Is that swollen or is it just the angle we're looking at? | ||
| No, it's swollen. | ||
| And you know how it is. | ||
| If you're not really a grappler, You know, by nature, when someone has your back, your heart's fucking 100 miles an hour right now. | ||
| So even if you don't submit them here, when you're on this fourth round, you're in trouble, bro. | ||
| Dude, Benson's making some progress with that right arm. | ||
| He's moving that right arm closer and closer. | ||
| I mean, he's under the armpit with the other one, but I'm seeing some give, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You know how when you see a guy start to pull on a guy's neck, and you see the guy on the other side start to give? | ||
| He's like, I see giving. | ||
| It's tough with the gloves, man, to submit a guy. | ||
| Even if he's a blue belt. | ||
| Body triangle. | ||
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I see him softening up, man. | |
| He's got a minute 18 to go. | ||
| This fight could be over right fucking here, man. | ||
| Minute 18's a long time. | ||
| It's a long time. | ||
| With a dude on your back. | ||
| And his eye swollen. | ||
| We got a good look at his right eye. | ||
| He's doing a good job of defending this long. | ||
| That tells me he's probably not going to get him. | ||
| This is exhausting, though, for Thatch. | ||
| Yeah, this is really exhausting, son. | ||
| This is exciting. | ||
| This is exciting stuff, man. | ||
| He could be resting right here. | ||
| See, you look at Benson's back, two angel wings. | ||
| The next round, Thatch is going to be on fire. | ||
| I mean, he knows all he has to do is survive. | ||
| He could be resting right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gonna take a lot out of Thatch, man. | ||
| Thatch has never faced diversity like this. | ||
| You gotta realize, all Thatch's wins were first round KOs. | ||
| It's not a body triangle, you know? | ||
| His right eye looks like shit, man. | ||
| His right eye looks like shit. | ||
| He's just riding him. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| Both of them are fucked up. | ||
| Yup, you're right. | ||
| They're both fucked up. | ||
| Nice eyebrows, though. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not mad at those tweezed eyebrows. | ||
| 20 seconds ago and Datch is up. | ||
| Now we'll see what he's got. | ||
| That was smart, though. | ||
| He had to go for something, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yep. | ||
| This round ends. | ||
| Fourth round. | ||
| Straight single leg if I'm Ben. | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| It's loose, Eddie. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
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He just wants to stay away from him. | |
| You give that round to Ben, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you got 2-1 going to the 4th. | ||
| 2-1 going to the 4th, and the grappling's been established that he's super dominant on the ground. | ||
| The only reason why he lost that position is because he went for the arm. | ||
| I'll say this. | ||
| Who's more tired? | ||
| Benson or Thatch? | ||
| Thatch. | ||
| I'm saying defending that, easy day. | ||
| Trying to attack the back. | ||
| It's not an easy day if you're not a black belt. | ||
| If you're a blue belt, which I would say Thatch is probably a blue belt on the ground. | ||
| But, Tate, the one big explosion was the arm. | ||
| Other than that, it was just control. | ||
| I mean, when he's tight, when he's under the armpit, and he's across the neck, there was no commitment, there was no real crazy... | ||
| That's another day in the office. | ||
| Yeah, but there's no crazy, like, you know, the go for a guillotine, Hail Mary that doesn't work, and you see the guy's arms gassed out? | ||
| There was none of that. | ||
| There was the explosion to get to spiderweb, but, I mean, that was one big burst. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Other than that, it was Thatch ate more energy. | ||
| Because Thatch was trying to keep that guy off his neck. | ||
| He was uncomfortable. | ||
| He's like, fuck, in my hometown, I'm getting choked. | ||
| Rolled all fours. | ||
| That's a beast. | ||
| Flattened out with a body triangle on his back. | ||
| Shit got real! | ||
| Both eyes are all swollen and shit. | ||
| His braids are all fucked up out the back. | ||
| He didn't fix his ponytail. | ||
| I shoot for that single leg if I'm bent. | ||
| Now he's thinking about it too, maybe mix it up. | ||
| You shoot, hit him with a right hand. | ||
| Well, he also knows that he can dominate him on the ground. | ||
| Yeah, he can do it. | ||
| I'm surprised that Bats is standing up so high still. | ||
| He's still got that high kickboxer stance. | ||
| And that was the reason he got impatient in that scramble and wasn't smart defensively. | ||
| He wanted to just get back up to his feet. | ||
| Instead of like minus P's and Q's and recognizing he's in a bad spot. | ||
| And that recklessness, carelessness, and trying to get back up to his feet is where he gave his back up. | ||
| And that comes from grappling experience. | ||
| That's just not his background. | ||
| He just wants to get the fuck out of there. | ||
| He's like, I don't want to stay in this spot. | ||
| But in doing so, he got to a way worse spot, which is really the essence of jiu-jitsu, right? | ||
| Capitalizing on mistakes. | ||
| Even if Thatch loses this fight, he's going to learn so much from this fight that's going to help him in the future. | ||
| Because he's never fought a really, really good grappler like this. | ||
| And gone into deep waters with a world champion. | ||
| This is the best thing for Thatcher's career to ever happen. | ||
| Win or lose. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with you 100%. | ||
| And it's a smart way to do it, too, to go in a world champion coming off from a lower weight class so you have some advantages going in. | ||
| There you go, Ben. | ||
| No, keep that hat on the inside. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Either way, this is wearing Thatch out. | ||
| I like this. | ||
| Sprawl, dude. | ||
| Sprawls. | ||
| What's that double? | ||
| Come up with a left. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Yeah, but make him defend and then go after it again, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's throwing his striking off with those takedowns. | ||
| Look how slow that's just becoming. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He stands so tall. | ||
| Nice knee. | ||
| He's taller to begin with. | ||
| Oh, that right hand to the body again! | ||
| This plan only works if Ben's cardio is on point. | ||
| Well, it most likely will be. | ||
| To me, it looks like Thatch is fine, and he's coming forward. | ||
| He's definitely not the same fighter he was in the first two rounds. | ||
| No, but the fifth round at altitude, you're in Denver, son. | ||
| Sorry about it, but I think Thatch is going to last here. | ||
| And the fifth round is going to be tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Benson trains at altitude too in Arizona. | ||
| And most of Ben's career was spent in Colorado. | ||
| John Crouch started in Denver. | ||
| So this is nothing new to Ben. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| It is the actor, man. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Beautiful timing! | ||
| Timing! | ||
| Beautiful timing. | ||
| That was beautiful timing. | ||
| Stepping over that leg. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Hey, this is my friend. | ||
| This fifth round's gonna be a beast! | ||
| Oh, my friend. | ||
| You got a longer time. | ||
| Arm triangle's coming. | ||
| Stepping over. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Side control, my friend. | ||
| Oh, elbow sandwiches. | ||
| He's going to give him his back, son. | ||
| Oh, he did the same thing again. | ||
| Didn't like the position. | ||
| Didn't like the position. | ||
| Oh, hooking. | ||
| Got that hooking easy. | ||
| Doesn't mean he's going to choke him. | ||
| No. | ||
| Doesn't mean he's going to choke him, but he's winning the round. | ||
| Yeah, he's gonna win the round. | ||
| Elliot's looking at this, making a list. | ||
| He's gonna try to go for the armbar again, man. | ||
| They knew this, though. | ||
| He's gonna try to go for the armbar again. | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Look at this, though. | ||
| But still. | ||
| I don't like this being on top, man. | ||
| I'd rather have him on my back, I think. | ||
| You got a high-level grappler on you. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Benson's no joke. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Benson transitions easy to the back again. | ||
| You see a lot of wrestlers do this, turn to all fours, hand fight, and stand up. | ||
| Thatch is a kickboxer. | ||
| Let's not do that. | ||
| It's a natural thing. | ||
| That's because it's bleeding. | ||
| He's trying to get back up. | ||
| Oh shit, can he get back up? | ||
| Oh, he ragged it. | ||
| He shouldn't be natural though, you know what I'm saying Eddie? | ||
| If you're training right. | ||
| That's just whooped. | ||
| It's a natural trick. | ||
| This is the world of Benson Henderson right here, son. | ||
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He's got it! | |
| That's it! | ||
| That's it! | ||
| He got this shit! | ||
| He got this shit! | ||
| That's it! | ||
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That was great! | |
| That's a motherfucking hell! | ||
| Oh, he's got a toothpick in his mouth! | ||
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I knew it! | |
| I saw him before! | ||
| He had a fucking toothpick in his mouth the whole time! | ||
| What?! | ||
| He fixed it in the last round, he got cracked and he was trying to fix it, man. | ||
| He pulled a toothpick out of his mouth right after he tapped it. | ||
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Gangster. | |
| That is so fucked up. | ||
| You know, he's gonna get in trouble for that. | ||
| They told him not to do that anymore. | ||
| What if they rule this a no contest? | ||
| So crazy, fights with a fucking toothpick in his mouth. | ||
| It's suspended. | ||
| That's some Charles Bronson shit. | ||
| He just fought Brendan Thatch with a toothpick in his mouth. | ||
| If you put that in a movie, you would hate that movie. | ||
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You would hate it. | |
| You're like, fuck this. | ||
| This isn't true. | ||
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I'm a bigger Henderson fan now. | |
| What, because of the toothpick? | ||
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Yeah, that too. | |
| For taking on Goliath? | ||
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That was awesome. | |
| Look at how he did it too. | ||
| Look how he finished it. | ||
| Look at the way he finished it. | ||
| He just... | ||
| Sort of, but it's kind of like this. | ||
| Like I said, though, man, either way, Brandon's gonna learn a ton from this. | ||
| This is best-case scenario. | ||
| He wins either way. | ||
| Dan Severn isn't just about how you lock it up. | ||
| It's what the legs are doing, too. | ||
| It's squeezing down. | ||
| It's an oxymoron, actually. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Benson is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Love that guy. | ||
| He's world class, man. | ||
| He's world class. | ||
| He fucked up with that toothpick, though. | ||
| Dude, you can't keep doing that, man. | ||
| Can't keep doing that. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Especially if he fought a guy like Thatch. | ||
| Let him have fun, Joe! | ||
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Damn! | |
| He got head kicked. | ||
| It's not the problem. | ||
| Athletic commissions can get in trouble. | ||
| If it turns out that toothpick comes out and pokes somebody in the eye in some strange world where Benson's on top, he gets hit with an up kick, I think we need Benson on the podcast. | ||
| It goes into the guy's eyeball. | ||
| They'll let a guy who's doing PEDs fight and then after the fight be like, oh, he's on PEDs. | ||
| Benson was on the podcast. | ||
| I don't think they're worried about a toothpick. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Is that what happened? | ||
| Did they know the test results before the fight? | ||
| They knew about Jon Jones. | ||
| But that's coke. | ||
| Yeah, but it's out of competition. | ||
| It's not a performance enhancing drug. | ||
| I think if they knew that Anderson tested positive before, it's way more damning than if they knew that Jon Jones did. | ||
| They knew that Jon Jones is doing something that's going to ruin his chances. | ||
| What about if you're doing coke to just study YouTube videos? | ||
| That's maybe performance. | ||
| What if I'm doing coke to throw a thousand spinning kicks? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| A lot of good points here. | ||
| A lot of good points. | ||
| Everyone is making sense here. | ||
| And Joe said that y'all aren't going to learn anything. | ||
| Everyone is making sense here. | ||
| That what? | ||
| Y'all are what? | ||
| That y'all aren't going to learn anything. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I think toothpicks is the least of our worst. | ||
| Hey, Commission. | ||
| For sure get those results back in time. | ||
| Fuck a toothpick. | ||
| That is good. | ||
| Let's get those results back in a couple days. | ||
| You can't fight with a fucking toothpick in your mouth. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| When he stepped out and then pulled a toothpick, he's like flaunting it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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I love it. | |
| He steps out. | ||
| He's got the toothpick out right away. | ||
| What if that is top of five because he's like stuck. | ||
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He did, dude, in like the third round. | |
| So he had a toothpick in his mouth. | ||
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It wasn't a mouthpiece thing. | |
| He had a toothpick in his mouth when Pettis had kicked him and dropped him. | ||
| And that was the side that he tucks it. | ||
| I think it'd be more dangerous for himself, right? | ||
| Oh, it's very dangerous for him. | ||
| Those toothpicks get like worn out over time. | ||
| They get all like flimsy. | ||
| They do, bro! | ||
| But look how soft it is, man. | ||
| He must have like a... | ||
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They get all wet. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He's got a weird way. | ||
| He's got a weird way of tucking that thing in his mouth. | ||
| Yeah, that shit is soft as hell. | ||
| That's like paper. | ||
| Let's see what he says. | ||
| I'm tired, guys. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Elevation, right? | ||
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Hey, sometimes, guys, you gotta go out there. | |
| You gotta give your all. | ||
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You gotta test yourself. | |
| I ain't know how I could win this fight. | ||
| A lot of times, guys, you have to do something you don't know. | ||
| Our biggest fear is not that we're, you know, in Agra. | ||
| Our biggest fear is that we're a powerful guy. | ||
| Okay, what? | ||
| It's from the YouTube... | ||
| Remember that, guys. | ||
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Remember that. | |
| Yeah, I'll remember that. | ||
| You got it, bro. | ||
| Okay, let me rewind. | ||
| Okay, look, Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| That was a huge victory. | ||
| He essentially fought your game plan, what you thought he should do. | ||
| I mean, that's really what he did. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what he did. | ||
| He hung with him on the feet for the first round, lost probably the first and second round, and then took him into some deep water. | ||
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That's just a funny guy. | |
| I hope they interview him. | ||
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That's exactly what he did. | |
| Tight move. | ||
| Fucking toothpick! | ||
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I know! | |
| The toothpick slurred his feet. | ||
| He's getting philosophy lessons. | ||
| He's so crazy with that toothpick. | ||
| He's dropping knowledge on bitches. | ||
| Hard to keep up, but he's dropping knowledge. | ||
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A big name McDonald up in Canada who needs a fight. | |
| It's a hell of a fight. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| That's a hell of a fight. | ||
| Benson Henderson just said it. | ||
| Yeah, when you stare across the octagon at that fucking psycho, you might want to rethink that. | ||
| That 170-pound psycho. | ||
| Talking about a Canadian psycho? | ||
| A Canadian psycho? | ||
| I mean, there's a big difference between stepping up to arguably number two welterweight in the world. | ||
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That's a big difference. | |
| They need to give him a title shot. | ||
| They need to give Roy a title shot, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't make him fight Hector broided out of his gills. | ||
| Hector's not going to fight for a long time now. | ||
| But goddamn Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker to step up like that and say he wants to fight Rory McDonald after that fight. | ||
| Benson is a bad motherfucker, dude. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| Yeah, Thatch has a long career ahead of him. | ||
| This is a great learning experience. | ||
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He's coming off that layoff, right? | |
| It was like a year or something? | ||
| Well, he had some injuries, right? | ||
| Bro, Thatch threw a kick in practice. | ||
| It hit the kid's face. | ||
| It might have been Matt Brown. | ||
| It hit Matt Brown's face. | ||
| Compound fractured his big toe. | ||
| Compound fracture, so the fucking through the skin, bones out of the skin, yeah. | ||
| That's why he was out for so long. | ||
| Oh, that's what happened? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh, I saw the picture of that. | ||
| There was like a picture of it online, wasn't there? | ||
| Nasty, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You see how we did that heel kick? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't see enough of that. | ||
| Dude, Benson's badass. | ||
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Dude, he is badass. | |
| Such a badass. | ||
| Can you imagine him versus Rory? | ||
| Rory needs a fight, too. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| I'd love to see Rory just get a title shot. | ||
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With that Corey Hill fight. | |
| Well, yeah. | ||
| This podcast is over. | ||
| This is a huge win for Benson Henderson. | ||
| That was fucking tremendous. | ||
| I'm so impressed with this dude. | ||
| So impressed with him. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| That was such a hard fight, too. | ||
| That's it for the podcast. | ||
| Eddie Bravo, what's up next? | ||
| EBI 3, March 22nd. | ||
| Eddie Bravo Invitational, March 22nd. | ||
| Where can people information? | ||
| EddieBravoInvitational.com. | ||
| It's at the Orpheum downtown LA. | ||
| Justin Miles, what's your website again? | ||
| www.jam... | ||
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Don't ever say www.jampersonaltraining.com. | |
| HTTP colon slash slash. | ||
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Jam Personal Training. | |
| Yeah, jam, J-A-M, personal training.com. | ||
| Fantastic trainer, very good dude, Justin Miles. | ||
| Kill a B, we're going to see you throwing down in Brazil. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Against their local son, Eric Silva. | ||
| What's the date again? | ||
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March 21st. | |
| March 21st, live on Fox Sports 1, right? | ||
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Yep, yep. | |
| Ba-bam. | ||
| Tate motherfucking Fletcher, CEO and pirate in chief of Caveman Coffee. - You see? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Nuevo Cerveza, Concrete Cowboy, Dallas, Austin, Houston. | ||
| We're opening Houston in two months right now. | ||
| Entrepreneur. | ||
| Just trying to stay ahead. | ||
| Let bitches know. | ||
| Brandon motherfucking Chobb. | ||
| You can listen to him every week. | ||
| At least twice a week do you guys do now? | ||
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Twice a week. | |
| Twice a week. | ||
| The Fighter and the Kid podcast with my brother Brian Callen. | ||
| Available online in many different forms. | ||
| You guys have a video version of it. | ||
| You have iTunes. | ||
| YouTube. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| It's available. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| You'll love it. | ||
| You can follow him on Twitter and Instagram. | ||
| Brendan Schaub on both of those, right? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Brendan Schaub. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| He fucks. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks, everybody. | ||
| Much love. | ||
| Another Fight Companion podcast in the book. |
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