Oct. 24, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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*Sigh* Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Pumped up with caffeine, straight off the plane and in traffic. | ||
| Cameron Haynes, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Good to see you, buddy. | ||
| What's up, man? | ||
| You fucking literally pushed through all night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it was a grind. | ||
| And then the L.A. traffic. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| There's something about L.A. traffic that's so frustrating. | ||
| More frustrating than even no sleep. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No sleep is fine. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| That's gravy. | ||
| I do that all the time. | ||
| But even today, I want to get here. | ||
| I want to get here on time. | ||
| I hate being late anywhere. | ||
| I'm a pretty punctual person. | ||
| And just the traffic. | ||
| I was honking to the guy ahead of me just to go 50 feet further because he was texting. | ||
| He was letting that gap get too big. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, I'm not going to go anywhere, but I'm going to be 50 feet ahead of where we're at. | ||
| Yeah, there's something going on here. | ||
| There's too many goddamn people. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck LA is going to be like in 10 years. | ||
| I came here in 94, so I've been here for 20 years now. | ||
| And when I first came here, it was nothing like this. | ||
| Nothing like this. | ||
| Traffic sucked, but it didn't suck to the point where you're like, this doesn't make sense. | ||
| This is just unmanageable. | ||
| There's too many goddamn people. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| And you live in Oregon, which is like way more relaxed. | ||
| You spend all this time in the woods shooting arrows at elk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The way quieter, way less people. | ||
| The good life. | ||
| The good life. | ||
| Now we're forcing you to get on that fucking goofy 101 and get jammed up in the boxes of metal and fucking breed that carbon dioxide. | ||
| It's worth it to be here. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| Of course it is, my friend. | ||
| Good to see you again, buddy. | ||
| Great seeing you. | ||
| So what are you doing? | ||
| You hanging out with Luke Bryan? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Listening to country music songs? | ||
| This motherfucker got me hooked on some country music pop songs. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I told him. | ||
| We're bear hunting and watching music videos. | ||
| Country music videos. | ||
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And you're like, what are we watching? | |
| Well, our friends John and Jen, let's give them a plug. | ||
| Live in the Dream. | ||
| What is their website? | ||
| Is it liveinthedream? | ||
| Probably liveinthedream.com. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I don't actually have to remember anything anymore. | ||
| I Google everything. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| Living the dream with John and Jen, right? | ||
| Something like that, yeah. | ||
| We'll find it. | ||
| But anyway, yeah, Livin' the Dream Productions. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Livinthedreamproductions.com. | ||
| And those are our friends in Canada, up in Alberta. | ||
| And that's where we went bear hunting. | ||
| And these motherfuckers, all they listen to is country music. | ||
| And all they watch is country music television. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So every day there was me mocking it. | ||
| Some of it is really good. | ||
| I like a lot of country music. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| We had Sturgill Simpson on this week. | ||
| I fucking love that guy. | ||
| I don't know if you ever heard Sturgill Simpson. | ||
| No. | ||
| I saw your plug though and I was thinking I'm going to check him out. | ||
| Oh, he's good, man. | ||
| He's real old school, like Merle Haggard style country music. | ||
| He's legit. | ||
| I'll play you some later. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You guys just won't let it go. | ||
| There was no breakups. | ||
| It was just every day. | ||
| It didn't like every now and then, let's watch Yo MTV raps or whatever the fuck. | ||
| It was just country music, television, over and over again, being surrounded by deer heads. | ||
| You would think that you were in Alabama somewhere, but no, we're two hours north of Edmonton. | ||
| Yeah, but what happened? | ||
| What's the moral to the story? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, they got me. | ||
| They got me singing that fucking Luke Bryan song, man. | ||
| Play it again. | ||
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Shit! | |
| I was somewhere, I forget where it was, and it started coming out and I knew the fucking words. | ||
| And I started humming it along and I'm like, fucking Cam Haynes, he got me. | ||
| Yeah, so we were listening to Luke Bryan skinning out your bear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It works. | ||
| It's etched in your memory. | ||
| What is it about country music and outdoors people, though? | ||
| Because I always associated country music with the South, but it's a big Canada thing, too, especially northern Canada. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's just grassroots people, hard-working people, and they identify with country music. | ||
| Hard-working people can't like ACDC? No. | ||
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That's not true. | |
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| That's for head-banging paw smokers. | ||
| Oh, my people. | ||
| I've got a bunch of my people in various walks of life. | ||
| My people are confused. | ||
| They don't know where to go. | ||
| Yeah, you appeal to a wide range. | ||
| Now bow hunters. | ||
| Yeah, I'm mixing it up. | ||
| I always say that I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads. | ||
| I'm the bridge. | ||
| I bring them all together. | ||
| I'm an island. | ||
| Just bow hunters. | ||
| Cam Haines Island. | ||
| So, you've had a bunch of hunts since I saw you. | ||
| You killed two elk, one in Colorado, one in Utah. | ||
| I saw the pictures. | ||
| And you did an Africa hunt. | ||
| Yeah, Tanzania. | ||
| But you did a real Africa hunt. | ||
| Not one of those pussy-ass, high-fence, hunting in a backyard scenarios. | ||
| You were out in the wilds of Africa. | ||
| Yeah, definitely the wilds of Africa. | ||
| I was with Greenleaf Tanzania. | ||
| And it's, you know, planes don't even fly over there. | ||
| Where we were hunting... | ||
| No rows, no anything. | ||
| I mean, to bounce around in a Jeep, it'd take you eight hours to cross the, I guess, the piece of property we were hunting. | ||
| And it's very expansive, wild. | ||
| And when you bow hunt in these areas, how often are people bow hunting in these areas? | ||
| Or is it mostly rifle hunting and you just come in and bow hunt? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where I had been, there had never been a bow hunter there. | ||
| So bow hunting in Tanzania has only been legal, I think, for seven years. | ||
| And so it's new. | ||
| And when people go there, it's expensive to get there. | ||
| It's time consuming. | ||
| The animals are very tough, very tough to kill. | ||
| Nobody really wants to screw around making it even harder with a bow, but that's where I come in. | ||
| I was our first bow hunter there ever. | ||
| A lot of people know about the controversy that's going on right now. | ||
| Steve Rinello wrote an excellent piece on this about what's going on in Africa. | ||
| With these high fence operations where people are... | ||
| A lot of it is people seeing a pretty girl with a dead animal and then freaking out and going off. | ||
| The most recent one wasn't even Africa. | ||
| Did you see this kid that shot an albino deer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's getting death threats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was a nice buck. | ||
| Yeah, it's a deer. | ||
| It's a fucking deer. | ||
| It happens to be white. | ||
| Who wouldn't shoot it? | ||
| Yeah, they're like, you can't let it go. | ||
| You can't let it live. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it can become a wood fairy and cure cancer. | ||
| A unicorn. | ||
| And invent 6G cellular. | ||
| No, it's just a deer. | ||
| It's just a deer. | ||
| It's a deer that has a rare disorder. | ||
| One out of every 20,000 deer turn out to be albino. | ||
| I guarantee those coyotes or anything else that would like to kill and eat a deer could care less what color it was. | ||
| Yeah, or it would have frozen to death, or it would have starved. | ||
| There's a lot of folks out there who just have this idealistic view of what nature is. | ||
| They have this view of nature being this... | ||
| Place of peace and harmony and it's a fucking brutal horrible environment where no one gets out alive All those animals die and they die they don't live past like seven or eight years if they're really really lucky exactly And the idea that there's something wrong with someone stepping in there and killing one of them and getting the meat off of it, | ||
| as opposed to going to a supermarket and getting some corralled up, penned up animal that's lived its life in hell, it just shows you how goofy we are today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know we're talking about Tanzania and now we're talking about meat, but the other day I put up a picture of me and you with your bear. | ||
| And just the comments I had from Facebook, one of them that just stuck out to me was, why would you kill a bear? | ||
| I thought bears were endangered. | ||
| They're definitely endangered in cities. | ||
| They're endangered if I'm around. | ||
| But no, there's... | ||
| How many bears are there? | ||
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Where we were, it's unbelievable how many bears are. | |
| To your point, people are just so lost. | ||
| They just don't get it. | ||
| The bear numbers have never been higher than they are right now. | ||
| They need to be managed. | ||
| They need to be hunted. | ||
| And people still think they're endangered because I guess they don't see them down here at Starbucks. | ||
| Well, there's also the anthropomorphizing. | ||
| That's that expression where you connect human characteristics to animals like Yogi Bear and Donald Duck and shit like that. | ||
| These animals are so fucking ruthless. | ||
| The idea that people love bears is so beyond crazy. | ||
| While we were there, John's son, John, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| John's son is John too, right? | ||
| What's John's name? | ||
| Yeah, Jonathan. | ||
| Jonathan. | ||
| Jonathan, yeah. | ||
| Jonathan watched a bear kill a cub, like, attack this female, killed a cub, ate half of it, then took off. | ||
| The female came back and finished off her own cub. | ||
| She ate it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, these are the animals you're talking about. | ||
| These are the animals where, when spring rolls around, the bears wake up and they go out looking for cubs. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They go out looking to eat cubs. | ||
| I had Sue Aiken on the podcast yesterday from that pot the Life below zero show. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I don't know if you ever seen that show she lives 200 miles north of the Arctic Circle and And, you know, she was talking about just the bear population in her area and how she was attacked by a bear and, like, really fucked up bad. | ||
| Dislocated her hips, cracked her skull. | ||
| A young male bear attacked her and basically... | ||
| Is it a grizzly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Basically, it wasn't... | ||
| She was like, if it was older, it would have eaten me. | ||
| But it just basically kicked my ass and took my territory. | ||
| Like, decided it took her territory. | ||
| So she went back and shot it and killed it. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's a badass bitch. | ||
| She lives by herself in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| She's as gangster as they come. | ||
| But... | ||
| This idea that people have in their head about bears is that bears are these peaceful creatures of the forest. | ||
| They're like some of the most brutal predators and cannibals that we know of in nature. | ||
| And delicious. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're very delicious. | ||
| That's the other thing that I got from our trip. | ||
| People are like, why would you eat bear? | ||
| Why would you eat bear? | ||
| Bears are gross. | ||
| People don't even eat bear. | ||
| That's so not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, we had some amazing meals up there off the bear we killed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The gin just cooked up. | ||
| I mean, I remember sitting out there in that plastic table with all of us and just eating this food bite after bite thinking, this is some of the best meat I've ever had. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people have this conception that you can't eat bear or bear meat isn't good. | ||
| It's just like amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, any meat, if you don't prepare it right, if you don't take care of it after you kill it, you can get cow meat that rots if you don't take care of it, if you don't prep it, if you don't properly cool it and put it on ice or whatever you have to do, but Jen knows how to cook it. | ||
| She did a great job with it. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was good. | ||
| Yeah, like what you were talking about with those boars, they come out and they kill the cubs, you know, all a big male dominant boar cares about is his genetics being passed on. | ||
| So when he sees those cubs out there that aren't his, he's like, well, those aren't my genes, so he wants to kill them so that female comes back in heat, and then he can breed her, and that's the whole thing. | ||
| And then, as you said, once that cub, even that female's cub was dead, it went from being her cub When it was dead, then it was just, okay, it's just more food. | ||
| That was a transition. | ||
| There is no emotion involved in anything. | ||
| It's purely survival and purely passing on genes. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And the numbers are stunning. | ||
| When we were up there, we saw so many bears. | ||
| We got to see a bear UFC bout. | ||
| Remember those two bears that were going at it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because the male kept coming back in and the female was trying to chase him off. | ||
| I mean, Cam and I were on the ground and we're probably like 20 yards from these bears duking it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they were going, this one male bear kept sneaking back in. | ||
| He kept wanting to get to where the bait was, and the female was trying to chase him off because her cubs were there. | ||
| Her cubs ran up a tree, and she chased him off, and he came back, and she chased him off, and he came back, and then she took off, and then she's like, fuck this, and she came back in again, and then they started duking it out. | ||
| And when they're duking it out, they're like... | ||
| Primal. | ||
| Oh, it's so wild! | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Because, I mean, this wasn't in a zoo. | ||
| I mean, they could have just said, you know what, fuck this, let's go eat those people. | ||
| They're right there! | ||
| And they just could have made a mad run for us. | ||
| We would have been fucked. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, and you know, you mentioned the bait there, and that's another thing people don't really understand, because baiting gets a black eye sometimes for hunting. | ||
| But up there... | ||
| It's really the only way to control those bear numbers. | ||
| There's so many bear. | ||
| They kill so many moose. | ||
| The country is so thick. | ||
| If you're going to hunt them, you have to bring them to you somehow and be able to kill them. | ||
| If you didn't bait, you would probably never kill a bear up there. | ||
| The only time you would get one is maybe you would get the fall bears that were eating the berries on the hills where you could see them. | ||
| But the thickness of the forest, I compare it to like a box of Q-tips. | ||
| It's like you're not seeing anything. | ||
| 30, 40 yards in, you're not seeing shit. | ||
| It's just all trees. | ||
| It's so dense. | ||
| And another key to baiting and seeing those bear up close is identifying what you're killing. | ||
| Because you want to take out those dominant males that have already bred... | ||
| That are older past their prime and that's what we're trying to kill up there. | ||
| We're not taking sows with cubs. | ||
| We're not taking young males that haven't reached John and Jen. | ||
| They like to kill seven foot plus black bear. | ||
| So to do that, people look at bear and all bear look the same to the uneducated eye. | ||
| Well, when you can see them up close, how we were hunting them on the ground, you get a real good idea of what you're shooting, what you're hunting, what you're going to pass up. | ||
| And that's a key, too. | ||
| So it's just wildlife management at its best, really. | ||
| Yeah, that's the best way to put it, wildlife management. | ||
| And the number of people that even hunt other animals are kind of a bit ignorant to it. | ||
| Like, there was folks that Jen was telling us that some local moose hunters were giving her a hard time. | ||
| And she was like, do you understand that the majority of these moose calves are getting killed by bears? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, the majority. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, when they're out of their mother, like, that bear smells that and starts looking for them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like... | ||
| I mean, and that's nature. | ||
| That's what happens out there. | ||
| You can't blame the bear. | ||
| No. | ||
| The bear's just being a bear. | ||
| But you can control their numbers and help the moose. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't help think about Grizzly Man, though, when we were out there. | ||
| I'm like, maybe... | ||
| Timothy Treadwell. | ||
| I'm like, how fucking... | ||
| I'm making fun of this Timothy Treadwell guy, like, on a daily basis. | ||
| Here I am, on the ground, standing next to this bow-hunting maniac who only hunts on the ground. | ||
| He doesn't want to go up in tree stands, because that's for pussies. | ||
| I just like being... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I like that connection with the animal on the ground. | ||
| Yeah, it's a connection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it can be real and it can be very intense as you experience, but there's nothing like it for me. | ||
| It's very wild. | ||
| It's very wild. | ||
| It's a totally different kind of hunting because... | ||
| Just the sheer numbers. | ||
| You just really do see a lot of bear. | ||
| And John was saying that he thinks in his area where he hunts, there is somewhere between three and eight bear per square mile, which is a lot. | ||
| I mean, that is a lot of animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, people are used to seeing quite a few deer, quite a few elk, maybe if they live in the right country. | ||
| You know, white-tailed deer especially. | ||
| That's how bear are back there. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's a really wild place. | ||
| Alberta's amazing. | ||
| It's so beautiful. | ||
| It's just so thick with wilderness and trees, and there's just so much wildlife up there. | ||
| So much cool shit to see. | ||
| Yeah, and to me, that's the big... | ||
| I mean, that's one more draw for hunting, is when you're just driving through a country and you're just kind of in the cities and you're driving around maybe in a car, you don't get to experience what that country is. | ||
| I mean, to be out there, to live it, to, you know, when I go to all these places, Tanzania, Alberta, Australia... | ||
| And I live out there and sit on the ground and see the animals and hunt them one-on-one, that's when you really get to experience everything that country has to offer. | ||
| And that's so valuable. | ||
| I mean, people, that connection has made me who I am, whether I'm killing anything or not, just being there and just being part of the country. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely something that we're completely disconnected to by standing in the 101 traffic over and over and over again and just grinding out every week sort of the same way. | ||
| This becomes life. | ||
| It becomes life. | ||
| This is life. | ||
| Life is you get up, your alarm clock goes off, you got an hour commute, and it really should be about a three-minute commute, but you're going to get stuck in traffic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when you go to a place like Alberta and you're out there and just this unbelievably beautiful, dense forest and you're out there and you're out there doing something that requires a tremendous amount of discipline too. | ||
| One of the things that I really enjoy about archery and about bow hunting is it's not as easy as like set up... | ||
| I'm not saying that rifle hunting is easy because none of it is easy. | ||
| But it's not, if you have a good rest for your rifle, you know, and the animal's no more than, you know, 100 yards away, it's a pretty good likelihood that you're going to shoot that animal. | ||
| 100 yards away with a bow and arrow, good fucking luck. | ||
| Yeah, just started. | ||
| Yeah, you're, you know, most likely you're not going to hit that thing. | ||
| That's really fucking far. | ||
| No, that's, you know, because I rifle hunted for three years before I started bow hunting, and, uh, I started rifle hunting. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| I loved the challenge. | ||
| I still love going out on rifle hunts. | ||
| I haven't rifle hunted for 26 years, but I just like the hunting atmosphere and environment and working together. | ||
| But what I noticed when I transitioned from rifle hunting to bow hunting is where the rifle hunt Ended, like as you said, 100 yards, 200 yards, where it ended, it was over. | ||
| If you made the shot, game over. | ||
| That's where the bow hunt really begins. | ||
| So you're 100 yards or 200 yards, and now you've got to be on your A game. | ||
| Getting from there to the red zone or bow range of an animal, that's where it's difficult. | ||
| For you, comfortable is like 60 yards in? | ||
| Is that where it's comfortable for you? | ||
| I like them at 8 yards if I can. | ||
| I practice a lot. | ||
| I'm very comfortable. | ||
| I can make the shot at 60, yeah. | ||
| It's just a different discipline, archery is. | ||
| And one of the things that I've talked about with some of my friends that have really gotten into archery is about how the world sort of goes away when you're focusing on that bullseye. | ||
| It's a weird zen state. | ||
| And it really, in that sense, the practice, for someone who has no interest in hunting, maybe you're a vegetarian, I totally respect that, if that's what you want to do. | ||
| But archery in and of itself is an amazing pursuit just like for the meditative aspects of it. | ||
| There's something about archery. | ||
| I would go... | ||
| I screwed my shoulder up, man. | ||
| Shooting too much. | ||
| Shooting too much. | ||
| I was doing 100, 150 arrows a day. | ||
| After the bear hunt... | ||
| I got a little fucking crazy. | ||
| And I developed a little tendinitis in my shoulder. | ||
| You were a little crazy on the bear hunt. | ||
| If you recall, I don't know how many bowhunters we had. | ||
| We had maybe six bowhunters up there. | ||
| But you shot at least double more than anybody else did. | ||
| I mean, so... | ||
| You like shooting the bow, obviously, but then you ramped it up after that? | ||
| Yeah, or I ramped it up hard. | ||
| I was doing more than anybody because, first of all, I felt like a real obligation to make an accurate shot. | ||
| And I wanted to be 100% prepared. | ||
| And I'm... | ||
| I'm a big stickler on preparation, no matter what I do. | ||
| If it's martial arts, if it's comedy, anything I do, I prepare the shit out of things. | ||
| I'm obsessive compulsive in that way. | ||
| Everybody was hanging around, joking and laughing. | ||
| I was like, I could be shooting more arrows. | ||
| So I would just go off and start shooting arrows while everybody else was goofing off. | ||
| I just had to. | ||
| You know, maybe people could even misconstrued as being antisocial, but I just had to do it. | ||
| I had to get those arrows in. | ||
| Yeah, the way I perceived it was, that was it. | ||
| That was your first ever bow hunt, and you just wanted to do everything you could to make... | ||
| Really, we're trying to kill an animal ethically and quickly. | ||
| And so, I know you took and take a lot of responsibility in that. | ||
| Our role as a steward of the land and the animals. | ||
| And so, got to make that shot. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It happens so fast. | ||
| Even if you're hunting bear in a controlled environment, with a bow, that is still tough. | ||
| It's still tough. | ||
| So, I mean, I salute you for your commitment there in practicing. | ||
| And you made a great shot on your bear. | ||
| Yeah, it was perfect. | ||
| It died in seconds. | ||
| And that's what I wanted. | ||
| I wanted it to just be... | ||
| And also, It's beautiful having a friend like you who could talk me through all that stuff, who can talk me through the right way to prepare and all the right equipment, having the right bow. | ||
| You know, people give you a hard time because you shoot really powerful bows, and they're like, you don't need to shoot a bow that powerful. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| I'm just retarded. | ||
| Why would I shoot that? | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| Well, the idea being that the more powerful the bow, the more... | ||
| The more impact the arrow has and the more it can penetrate into an animal. | ||
| It just makes sense. | ||
| But not everybody has Cam Haynes guns. | ||
| That's what's up. | ||
| I feel bad sometimes because sometimes I'll talk about my bow and then out of the blue somebody says, why do you need to shoot 80 or 90 pounds? | ||
| And I've heard it for years and Probably thousands of times and I just feel like lashing out at that one person who maybe that was the first time they've ever even been on my Facebook page or whatever. | ||
| That's what's happened the other day and I didn't lash out because I try to respect everybody. | ||
| I don't Whatever. | ||
| I just try to be respectful. | ||
| And so all I said to that guy was, you know, he says he's killed all these animals and got pastures of 62 pounds. | ||
| I said, all right, well, what about the guys who shoot 50 pounds? | ||
| They'd probably say to you, why do you shoot 62 pounds? | ||
| I shoot 50 and kill my animals. | ||
| So they would say you're doing too much. | ||
| And my whole thing is, I hope for the best, prepare for the worst. | ||
| And so, the worst is on a big bull elk, you catch a shoulder blade, or you drill a big heavy rib, or if I'm hunting Cape Buffalo, I hit a rib, which is like a 2x4. | ||
| So I'm preparing for the worst, I hope for the best. | ||
| You know, if you think... | ||
| Almost any bow with a razor-sharp broadhead, if it's just hitting soft flesh between the ribs, is going to kill it. | ||
| You could probably do that with 40 pounds, maybe even 30-some pounds. | ||
| But you're hoping for the very best situation. | ||
| It's not going to happen every time. | ||
| It's probably going to be rare. | ||
| So, that's my whole thing. | ||
| Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. | ||
| Well, what's interesting is that you've got a whole group of people that are sort of following your philosophy now. | ||
| Like this whole, you know, your catchphrase, keep hammering. | ||
| I see all this hashtag, keep hammering people in the gym, preparing for bowhunts. | ||
| It's like people prepare for bowhunts now like they're preparing for an athletic event. | ||
| I see these dudes doing all these rows and lifts and chin-ups and pulling their back muscles and getting everything in order and then running up hills and all following your lead and treating this as like an athletic endeavor. | ||
| If you've ever seen it, actually, we didn't play your Under Armour commercial the first time, did we? | ||
| Did we play it? | ||
| The Wolf. | ||
| Did we play that commercial? | ||
| The Wolf Cup. | ||
| See if we did. | ||
| We probably did. | ||
| I love that fucking commercial. | ||
| But that commercial's the perfect... | ||
| It's like it shows you preparing, you know, running up hills. | ||
| And that's also part of this bow hunting thing, is that you're preparing for an event. | ||
| As much of an event as a marathon, as much of an event, and maybe even more so, because it's this... | ||
| People don't like the term spiritual when it's connected to hunting, but there is something that's very spiritual about taking an animal, respecting its life, taking out that meat, and then eating it, and this feeling that you have of being connected to this cycle of life. | ||
| It's a very, very different thing than anything I've ever done before. | ||
| Anything I've ever done where, especially anything you've ever done where you've eaten meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you've ever eaten meat from a store or meat from a restaurant, there's a complete wall between you and the process. | ||
| And the bow hunting part is like one more step closer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like there's the rifle thing, but then the bow hunting thing is one more step. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This isn't the Under Armour one, though. | ||
| No, this is, uh, Bramland Shockey did this one. | ||
| This is, but this, that's the training part, definitely. | ||
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It's a different one. | |
| Yeah, there is a different one. | ||
| There's an Under Armour commercial, but that one's cool to watch too. | ||
| But you could see the amount of preparation that's involved in this. | ||
| And so, you know, there's a lot of people out there that are really into CrossFit, and they're really into working out. | ||
| And you are, and I am. | ||
| And I had this dude who was on Fear Factor once, him and his girlfriend. | ||
| Nice folks. | ||
| They were CrossFit people. | ||
| And I was like, well, what do you do with all that... | ||
| Exercise. | ||
| You're just exercising for exercise. | ||
| It's good to be in shape and everything. | ||
| Why don't you take up jiu-jitsu or something like that? | ||
| Go put it to use. | ||
| See progress in an athletic endeavor. | ||
| Well, one of the best and ultimate ways is hunting because you're putting that progress, you're putting that athleticism and that training and all that hard work, you're putting it into this really primal situation where you're going uphill, especially like the elk hunting. | ||
| Which I can't wait to get a part of. | ||
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Next year. | |
| Next year. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to go bow hunting for elk next year. | ||
| That seems to me like probably the ultimate of those. | ||
| Yeah, I think the thing with elk, for me that's been, we've probably mentioned that before because if anybody who's going to talk to me about bow hunting, elk's going to come up. | ||
| That was always the biggest dream was killing a big bull elk with my bow. | ||
| And it's so hard. | ||
| It is so difficult. | ||
| I killed a bull elk my very first year of bow hunting. | ||
| I think I was 19. I killed a spike bull. | ||
| It took a long time to do it. | ||
| But when I said, okay, I want to kill now a mature, big bull, six by six, in the wilderness, by myself, that took eight years to do. | ||
| Eight years of bow hunting to ever... | ||
| I killed other bulls. | ||
| I killed some five points, a few five points, another spike, a six by five, but... | ||
| It took me eight years to get that, quote, dream bull. | ||
| And to anybody, I guess, a seasoned, I don't know, trophy hunter, they probably wouldn't even have shot it. | ||
| But it was a nice 6x6, scored about 275 inches, Pope and Young. | ||
| And it was a wilderness on my own, and that took eight years. | ||
| So it's a tough deal. | ||
| When you have a wilderness hunt on your own, and you shoot this animal, you're miles away from civilization. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You just hike it back in steps one at a time? | ||
| Well, with that bull, at that time I owned with my buddy Roy four llamas. | ||
| And so we would train these llamas. | ||
| And a llama isn't like a horse, but they can pack 60 pounds. | ||
| So four of them, you got 240 pounds of meat. | ||
| You can haul out or gear or whatever else. | ||
| So on that hunt, I had four llamas available. | ||
| The problem was, I killed that bull opening day of the season. | ||
| We had just walked in with those llamas with... | ||
| Me and these other guys, I was by myself about 10 miles away because I like to be by myself. | ||
| I mean, right now, I just kind of tolerate the cameraman if I'm with somebody, but really what I'm drawn to is solo hunting on my own just because I just like the test of that. | ||
| So anyway, I was by myself. | ||
| I killed those bulls. | ||
| Opening day, I skinned it out, got it hung up, and In that high country I killed it is probably about over 7,000 feet. | ||
| So even though it was September and it was warm, in the evenings at 7,000 feet or at night, it gets cool. | ||
| The air is dry. | ||
| So if you hang that meat up like in a north-facing timber where the sun stays off of it and it stays cooler in there, and you get up off the ground where the wind can move, you can get what hunters call the meat would glaze over. | ||
| So it basically cools, glazes over. | ||
| And I've had, even in early season like that, you could hang deer and elk for five days and the meat would be fine. | ||
| What I did with that is I broke that all down, and I'm like, well, I'll go see how the llamas are doing. | ||
| I packed all the way back. | ||
| The llamas, because we just came in the day before, were too tired. | ||
| They're only about 300 pounds, so it's not like they got a ton of muscle. | ||
| They'd walked 12 miles in with gear, and I knew they couldn't get that bull out, so I waited for these other guys who were hunting 10 miles away from me that night to come back to camp, and I'm like, guys, I said, I killed a bull. | ||
| If you guys help me get it out, We'll go down to Le Grand. | ||
| I'll get us a hotel room. | ||
| I'll buy us pizza. | ||
| Do this whole thing. | ||
| I was like, we'd do anything. | ||
| And so me and three other guys packed that whole bull out 12 miles. | ||
| Took it to the meat locker there and then packed back in. | ||
| 12 miles. | ||
| How big was the bull? | ||
| It was that first 6x6 bull I killed. | ||
| So we probably had... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's probably 240 pounds of meat, 250 pounds of meat split up. | ||
| That's an enormous animal. | ||
| So you're talking about 1,200 pounds on the hoof, something like that? | ||
| No, that one was probably 800. 800? | ||
| What's the biggest one you've ever seen? | ||
| The biggest bull I've ever killed was in 2010. It was a Roosevelt bull in Oregon. | ||
| I was with my buddy, Jody Sear. | ||
| He called that. | ||
| No, he was filming, and then Kevin Akers was calling. | ||
| We all grew up bowhunting there in Oregon. | ||
| Just kind of bowhunting rednecks from, I guess, the bush of Oregon. | ||
| And so we got this bull in, and I ended up killing it. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| You know, we're thinking 1,100 pounds. | ||
| It was just a giant 6x6 old 12 or 13 year old bull. | ||
| And that's the biggest bodied bull I've ever seen. | ||
| Elk is interesting too because the old animals still taste delicious. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I'm not sure why. | ||
| Yeah, because like deer, you can get like a ruddy old buck that's like an eight, nine-year-old buck and it's like, oof, whoa, we might need to throw this one in the steam cooker in a crock pot or something, you know? | ||
| That was like those, you know, that water buffalo or a couple of them I killed in Australia. | ||
| They can get old. | ||
| The Cape buffalo I killed in Tanzania, dude, that meat. | ||
| I mean, in Tanzania with that Cape buffalo, we use that for lion bait. | ||
| I mean, it's just not good meat because those bulls are so old and so tough. | ||
| And it's just, you know, if you had to eat it, I guess you could. | ||
| I'm sure the natives there would definitely eat it. | ||
| Yeah, we just make carpaccio out of it and then chew it like jerky, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Be like a Cape Buffalo steak. | ||
| Good luck, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dense-ass animal. | ||
| No, but, you know, so I killed a kudu. | ||
| That was excellent meat. | ||
| Sable there. | ||
| Beautiful meat. | ||
| Kudu's supposed to be one of the best, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and sable, too. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Just, yeah, there's a lot of those animals, a lot of good eating animals there. | ||
| Not, just not buffalo. | ||
| The controversy about African animals is, I mean, you get what I call Facebook controversy, which is very sort of cursory controversy. | ||
| Controversy. | ||
| It's not people that are really investigating it and trying to figure out what is going on here. | ||
| They just see a picture of a pretty girl from Texas with an animal on the ground and they go, oh, that bitch. | ||
| And Ranella wrote this article, which is really interesting, where he was saying that a lot of what you're dealing with is just straight up sexism. | ||
| You're dealing with people that don't want to see a pretty girl in that environment, and for whatever reason they either decide it's not her place, or especially because she's pretty, they have some certain amount of resentment about her anyway because she carries around a certain amount of privilege and easy access to life because she's so pretty. | ||
| The doors just open up for her, which is true, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what people, what they fail to do is really sort of investigate what's going on in Africa in that these people that live in these communities, if it wasn't for these high fence hunting operations, their resources would be severely diminished. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're making so much more money because of the money that comes in from tags, from hunters, and there's an industry there now. | ||
| And it's kind of a fucked up thing to say to a lot of people, like, hey, there's an industry in killing animals. | ||
| But that industry has served two purposes. | ||
| One, those animals are in gigantic healthy populations now where they're on the verge of extinction just a couple decades ago. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| And it's, yeah, hunting there... | ||
| I mean, especially, you know, the high fence thing, that's a whole other thing. | ||
| That's basically, I guess you could, it's close to farming. | ||
| It is really close to farming. | ||
| It's farming animals. | ||
| But it is industry there. | ||
| It is a way for locals to make money and be involved and generate income for their families. | ||
| So, I mean, how do you, who am I to judge that? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| In Tanzania, there's even less. | ||
| So most of the high fence hunting is in South Africa. | ||
| In Tanzania, in the bush way back there, there is even less opportunity for those people. | ||
| There's no food. | ||
| I mean, there's limited food, but no power, no water, grass, shacks, or huts. | ||
| It's, you know... | ||
| It's real poverty. | ||
| It's, yeah. | ||
| Poverty on an intense scale that I think us as Americans, we, you know, you dip your toes in, you go visit for a little bit, and you're still not really grasping the idea of being born there. | ||
| No. | ||
| With no opportunity to get out. | ||
| I don't see how you ever could, you know, but what's weird, and so I was wrestling with this whole time, because when I go to these places, I love the culture, I love the people, um, Even there I was trying to learn Swahili with some of the trackers that were working with me. | ||
| Rashidi, awesome guy, speaks only Swahili. | ||
| So I really invest myself into the culture and I just want to learn. | ||
| I want to see things through their eyes. | ||
| I saw these grass shacks and all these people and you know every grass shack had six little kids running around it and it's just like I'm thinking this is awful I mean it's no hope for six kids at every grass shack that seems I don't know it just seemed very sad to me but we were there getting ready to cross this river in the truck and the river was high so we were kind of out Ryan Shalom, he owns Greenleaf Tanzania. | ||
| And so we're there and we're kind of seeing what's going on and There was a village about a quarter mile away. | ||
| And as we're looking at the river and trying to make a game plan, there was music and just people singing. | ||
| And I'm like, is it happy hour over here? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| And that really just hit home. | ||
| It's like, you know, I see them and I think there's no hope and they must be miserable. | ||
| But they're laughing and singing and dancing. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Maybe they're okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Are they happy? | ||
| They seemed happy to me. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can look at it from the outside and judge and say, you must be so depressed. | ||
| Maybe they're not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I think people are incredibly adaptable. | ||
| And when people grow up in an environment, that's just what they're used to. | ||
| You get used to it, and that's how you live. | ||
| If that's all you know, you don't know what it's like to stay at the Four Seasons and eat at the buffet in the morning and have the valet pull your car around. | ||
| All the shit that some people think is the good life. | ||
| But those people that are living like that... | ||
| At the Four Seasons, you know, checking their Rolex, where is this goddamn valet? | ||
| You know, those people might be on fucking antidepressants. | ||
| The people in Africa are singing and playing the bongo drums and having a great old time. | ||
| You know what would cause the people at the Four Seasons the most heartache? | ||
| What? | ||
| If the frickin' Wi-Fi wasn't working. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Goddamn Wi-Fi is bullshit. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I tried to get a kudu steak this morning. | ||
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| They don't even have kudu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We think that this is the only way to live. | ||
| I mean, look, life is about friendship, experience, having fun, and staying healthy. | ||
| And whatever those people can do to make that happen, and whatever is in their environment that they can take advantage of as far as nutrition and being able to... | ||
| Take care of their family. | ||
| They do what they can with what they've got. | ||
| And that's also something where the hunters help out. | ||
| And this has often been criticized as just like, oh, people are just using that as an excuse. | ||
| And that a lot of the meat goes to these families and these villages. | ||
| And it is a huge, huge benefit to them to get fresh protein. | ||
| Like Brian Stevens that we were talking to when we were on that hunt was talking to me about an elephant kill that they had. | ||
| They killed an elephant. | ||
| And you talk about killing an elephant and everybody goes, oh my god, you killed an elephant. | ||
| How the fuck could you kill an elephant? | ||
| I don't have any desire to kill an elephant. | ||
| But... | ||
| I wanted to listen to his perspective and see what he had to say about it. | ||
| One of the things that he was saying was that when you kill an elephant, the village, they all pile in to get a piece of that elephant. | ||
| It's so welcome. | ||
| There's these photos of these people. | ||
| With these just great baskets filled with elephant meat. | ||
| And there's dozens and dozens of people taking this meat away. | ||
| And this is protein that they wouldn't ordinarily not have been able to get. | ||
| Then you're dealing with the money that this guy had to pay to harvest this elephant, which is a substantial amount of money. | ||
| I think it's like $30,000 or $50,000. | ||
| It can be, yeah. | ||
| And then you're dealing with the reality that in these certain circumstances in some of these places, they have a population problem. | ||
| People don't want to think that. | ||
| They think that elephants are endangered. | ||
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| They are in some places. | ||
| But Africa is fucking huge! | ||
| It is a huge, huge, huge continent. | ||
| So if they have an issue in one area where they don't have very many elephants, it doesn't mean the entire place has a lack of animals. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And one thing, I was fascinated with... | ||
| We had to deal with poachers when I was back there in Tanzania. | ||
| And most of the poachers we dealt with were simply what they call after protein. | ||
| They're up there. | ||
| They're killing buffalo. | ||
| So I say we wouldn't want to eat a buffalo. | ||
| They will gladly take a buffalo. | ||
| So they go up there and we ran across three poachers at one time. | ||
| Usually there's a shooter and two packers. | ||
| And what they do is they kill an animal. | ||
| They live up there. | ||
| They cut it up. | ||
| They dry it out. | ||
| And then all they're packing out all this meat with is a burlap sack with like wire straps. | ||
| So wire through the burlap and then they load that up with this dried out meat, which I don't even know what it would weigh at that time. | ||
| But that's how they get it out. | ||
| And they're not selling that. | ||
| They might sell the protein when they get out, but it's just meat. | ||
| It's not like this high-level poaching operation. | ||
| Right, where they're selling ivory or something. | ||
| And they're willing to get that meat. | ||
| They're willing to shoot you. | ||
| And the game scout who we were with is willing to shoot them. | ||
| A lot of times it's whoever can shoot first. | ||
| And that was an eye-opening experience. | ||
| I mean, you know, we have somebody, you just don't do that here. | ||
| It's just difference. | ||
| To there, it's just like, whoever can shoot first. | ||
| And that one, the first guy that we saw didn't shoot at us because He didn't have any ammo. | ||
| He had to basically load his gun like a muzzleloader, as a rifle, but he had I found their camp and we investigated everything they had in their camp. | ||
| And so he had like ball bearings and pieces of lead and things. | ||
| He would shove down the barrel and he had wadding and he had a firing pin, match heads to ignite it, gunpowder. | ||
| And so basically he would get one shot. | ||
| And to get that one shot he had to be close. | ||
| So that's why he didn't shoot at us. | ||
| We were at about a hundred and some yards. | ||
| He ended up circling around getting to 50 yards and was just standing there. | ||
| But he knew he only had one shot. | ||
| So, anyway, the whole point is they're willing to risk their lives to get protein. | ||
| Now, we did find a dead elephant. | ||
| There's an elephant skull there and so just had me, you know, curious as to how that works. | ||
| I said, so, obviously somebody came in here and poached this elephant. | ||
| How much are they getting for that ivory? | ||
| And so we figured maybe a 20 or 30 year old elephant is, they say with 50 pounds of ivory, just roughly, could have more, could have less. | ||
| 50 pounds of ivory. | ||
| So for 50 pounds of ivory, a poacher will get $250. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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| $250. | ||
| I was thinking maybe they're going to get thousands of dollars. | ||
| $250. | ||
| Whereas, you know, you mentioned Brian Stevens and the elephant hunt that Americans would go on or, you know, a hunter that would pay for it and they're paying upward maybe $50,000. | ||
| So you're trading the life of an animal if it's poached for $250 or if a hunter goes over there to hunt it and the meat is utilized by the whole village, $50,000. | ||
| Now, what helps a community more? | ||
| Well, it certainly helps the community more if a hunter pays. | ||
| But the real question that people have is, why does a hunter want to do that? | ||
| Why would someone want to go over and shoot an elephant? | ||
| And I kind of see their point of view. | ||
| Like, what is it about an elephant? | ||
| Why would you want to go over there and shoot this big, magnificent animal? | ||
| Why couldn't you just go over there and enjoy looking at it? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| You know, I guess for me, I can't relate to an elephant. | ||
| I've never... | ||
| I've never really thought about killing an elephant or even pursued the opportunity, but I want to kill a lion. | ||
| I went over there to kill an African lion with my bow. | ||
| And people, same question, why? | ||
| And to me... | ||
| To me, the reason why I do what I do every day is a test. | ||
| And I feel like if I'm going after the king of the jungle, so to speak, or Simba, with my bow, that's the ultimate test. | ||
| And I mean, if you're not testing yourself, or for me, if I'm not testing myself, what's the point? | ||
| But then, okay, so here's the argument. | ||
| People would be like, you fucking asshole. | ||
| Why do you want to go over there and shoot a lion? | ||
| Lion's a beautiful, majestic animal. | ||
| It's the king of the jungle. | ||
| Why would you want to shoot it? | ||
| You're not even going to eat it. | ||
| But you are going to eat it. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| And you should see, it's such, I don't know, there's a connection with the natives, the Tanzanians over there where we were. | ||
| If any cat is killed, and when I was there, one of the guys I was with, Richard Baca, he killed a leopard. | ||
| And when any cat is killed or an elephant, the whole village or all the guys that were there working, you basically stop in the jeep up on the hill. | ||
| They get the jeep all, put brush all over it, and they have this chant. | ||
| And they sing this chant as you drive down. | ||
| They shoot the gun twice to announce to the hunting camp that, We're coming in, and we got a special animal. | ||
| And, you know, Ryan explained this whole thing to me. | ||
| But we got a special animal, and so it's either a cat or an elephant, and they come in, and it's just, it's the biggest celebration. | ||
| When Richard killed that leopard, they, all the guys there, the Tanzanians there, were singing this chant, and it was just, it was so powerful. | ||
| And they had him, he sat in this chair, and they lifted him up in this chair, and we're carrying him around The camp. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And that was to honor the life of the leopard. | ||
| And lions are even one step above. | ||
| For them, Simba is... | ||
| They have so much reverence and respect for a lion. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I couldn't even really understand it. | ||
| Only they could probably explain it. | ||
| When that animal dies, you're just killing an animal just to kill an animal. | ||
| There's a connection that goes into it. | ||
| The animal is valuable. | ||
| The animal is just revered. | ||
| I assume they also have to keep the populations down. | ||
| Yeah, that's, you know, lion hunting is, I mean, a lot of people look at lions and judge the hunting for them, saying, and there might be a time when there is no more lion hunting, just because of public outcry, basically. | ||
| But as it is now, Ryan Shlom, where I was hunting with the green leaf, I had the opportunity, we could have killed, we had in it bait, Four-year-old lions. | ||
| Male, legal, big manes, by themself, definitely could kill them. | ||
| He wants to let those four-year-olds age to six or greater. | ||
| He only wants to kill six-year-old lions or greater because then they're past their breeding prime. | ||
| They've done their job for the population, so to speak, and that's when he'll take them out. | ||
| Not before, even though it's legal. | ||
| But just to build that pride up. | ||
| And then another thing that he does is if a male lion is with a pride, meaning there's females there and there's cubs there, if he's there with them, they're his cubs. | ||
| Otherwise, he'd kill them, just like the bear. | ||
| Same type of deal. | ||
| But he would never kill a male lion that had a pride or was even close to a pride. | ||
| Because what that would do If you killed a male, even though it's legal, what that would do is another male would come in. | ||
| So the male you killed is dead. | ||
| Another male would come in. | ||
| Those wouldn't be his cubs. | ||
| So he would kill them. | ||
| So you'd have two generations of lions gone. | ||
| Part of his management practice there is only old lions, only old lone lions, male lions, and that's it. | ||
| So you're basically catching a lion at the end of his run. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They're not breeding anymore. | ||
| They've done their job. | ||
| Basically, the only value they have now is for a hunter. | ||
| The only value, but they're a life. | ||
| They're a life. | ||
| They're a living creature, a majestic living creature. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| But that's where people have the issue, right? | ||
| Do you try to look at it from their point of view ever? | ||
| Do you ever see the anti-hunting people? | ||
| Anti-hunting people fall into a bunch of different categories. | ||
| There's people who don't think you should eat any meat at all. | ||
| That's the super extreme. | ||
| Then there's people who can respect you eating animals that were raised in an ethical way. | ||
| Free range cows, free range chickens is the only way I would do it. | ||
| That's some group. | ||
| And then there's people that say, well I really respect people who go out and hunt their own meat. | ||
| But as you get deeper and deeper into the categories of people that have problems with hunting, at the very top of that list, which is the most hated, is people that hunt only for the trophy. | ||
| Trophy, yeah. | ||
| And that's what a lot of people think of when they think of elephant. | ||
| A lot of people think of when they think of lion. | ||
| And I have no desire to shoot anything I'm not going to eat. | ||
| I never will. | ||
| My goal with getting into hunting was to connect with the food that I eat, to try to figure out... | ||
| When I first hunted with Rinella, I was wondering, I was like, what if I shoot this deer and say, fuck it, I'm a vegetarian now. | ||
| I'm never doing this again. | ||
| It was the exact opposite. | ||
| I felt an immediate incredible connection to it. | ||
| It was very exciting and thrilling. | ||
| People don't want to hear you say that. | ||
| They want to hear a very somber moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, look, HBO Real Sports aired it the other night. | ||
| There's this thing where they did this whole piece on hunting and this whole eat what you kill movement, what they called it, and they had the clip of me shooting my first deer, and I kind of forgot how I was pretty emotional when it happened. | ||
| So there's definitely a sense of loss when something like that happens, but it's not sad. | ||
| That's an animal that I wanted to eat. | ||
| But there's a difference between that and just going after some animal just to shoot it. | ||
| I need to get this on my list. | ||
| I have a basketball court in my house filled with dead animals, and this is my next one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I guess when I'm thinking about it... | ||
| We even got judged when you killed your bear because we had a picture of us smiling with a dead bear. | ||
| I have a hard time... | ||
| The people on the fence who need to be convinced or could go either way, those are the people I can appeal to and maybe make an argument that how hard I work and how much hunting means to me and how much I respect these animals. | ||
| Those people, the extreme people... | ||
| I don't think you're ever going to win those guys over. | ||
| No, I don't think so either. | ||
| So whatever, that's just a lost cause. | ||
| But the other ones, that's why, you know, and I've posted this before, when I kill an animal, I don't want a bunch of blood. | ||
| And hunters have said, blood's part of it. | ||
| Why are you worried about showing blood? | ||
| Well, because I don't want to offend the people who might be in the middle. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But when you get judged, we got judged for smiling with your dead bear. | ||
| The reason why I'm, you know, yeah, when animals, I guess it's not, I don't feel sad, but I respect when an animal dies. | ||
| But the smiling part is I'm proud of everything that went into how much work is involved and how much sacrifice, you know, when you killed yours, you made. | ||
| And that's just, it's a celebration. | ||
| You killed an animal. | ||
| We're going to eat it. | ||
| All that months and months of work paid off. | ||
| That should feel good. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with, hey, we're celebrating this moment. | ||
| It's such a special, cherished moment. | ||
| Let's smile. | ||
| Well, the weirdness of modern civilization is that no one has a problem with you smiling when you're eating a cheeseburger. | ||
| If you look at any Burger King ad, any McDonald's ad, when someone's eating, a big smile on their face, I mean, you're eating a fucking animal that lived its life in torture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean there's very little possibility that that animal was a free-range animal that animal most likely Was corralled up was fed an unnatural diet to fatten it up with stuff full of antibiotics to deal with the fact that it was fed This unnatural diet because it would otherwise get sick all sorts of indigestion problems stomach problems and That's what you're eating with a big stupid smile on your face and no one bats an eye, right? | ||
| the I had a I wrote a blog post that I still haven't put up yet because I dealt with so many fucking idiots getting mad at me after I shot that bear. | ||
| But one of them was this guy at the airport who had seen a picture of us. | ||
| Oh, when you were arrogant? | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Oh yeah, that was a lady! | ||
| This is a good story, actually. | ||
| Cam and I were on the plane, and there was a gentleman who was the flight attendant that was a little bit light in the loafers. | ||
| He was perhaps a gay man. | ||
| Let's just say 100% he was a gay man. | ||
| A very nice gay man. | ||
| He was very friendly, and he was really cool, and we were having fun with the guy. | ||
| He was just being a friendly guy, but he kept complimenting Cam's arms. | ||
| Cam's a very athletic and muscular man. | ||
| He works out a lot. | ||
| He's got a lot of veins in his arms and stuff. | ||
| And this guy kept calling him muscles. | ||
| And he's like, you know... | ||
| How would he say it, though? | ||
| He's like, oh, muscles? | ||
| He was so flamboyant. | ||
| I mean, he was a great guy. | ||
| He was just a super, super nice guy. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| He just kept complimenting Cam and, what do you do? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| He's like, well, you know, work out and stuff. | ||
| I bet you do. | ||
| I bet you do. | ||
| I mean, it was fun. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Totally lighthearted. | ||
| So as we're leaving, I said to Cam, I go, if that guy doesn't at least smack you on the ass on the way out, I'm going to be very disappointed. | ||
| That's all I said. | ||
| And so we're waiting for our luggage and this woman came up to me. | ||
| He didn't, by the way. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| I was really sad. | ||
| I mean, I felt like you guys had a connection. | ||
| I kind of tensed up when I walked by because I was getting ready. | ||
| So it was just me and Cam having fun. | ||
| And it wasn't mean-spirited at all. | ||
| We were sitting by each other, talking to each other. | ||
| Yeah, and talking at this level. | ||
| It wasn't like we were yelling out, That guy doesn't slap you in the ass! | ||
| I'm going to be disappointed! | ||
| I think he's gay! | ||
| It was us having a private conversation. | ||
| Behind us happened to be a lesbian. | ||
| I'm assuming a lesbian. | ||
| And her girlfriend. | ||
| And when we were waiting for the luggage, the woman started giving me a hard time. | ||
| She called me arrogant. | ||
| You're so arrogant. | ||
| I go, how am I arrogant? | ||
| She goes, that man was a nice man. | ||
| I go, he's a very nice man. | ||
| And she goes, I heard what you said about him slapping your friend in the ass. | ||
| I go, he was flirting with my friend. | ||
| I go, first of all, it's not arrogant. | ||
| My friend is a handsome man. | ||
| It was one way flirting. | ||
| Let's not, I don't want this. | ||
| One way. | ||
| Absolutely one way. | ||
| We weren't flirting. | ||
| You were being very, very friendly to him in an I am not gay way. | ||
| But let's be honest. | ||
| We look like we could be a couple like brutish gay guys. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of those... | ||
| If you go to West Hollywood, and I presume you don't when you're in town, but if you go down Santa Monica Boulevard, there's several clubs that have a lot of men that are built very similar to us. | ||
| They also might have beards like we do. | ||
| Is this about bowhunting? | ||
| No, it's about gay sex. | ||
| So, you know, he could have gotten, you know, he was testing the waters. | ||
| The guy, that's, if you're gay, you never know. | ||
| Look, you gotta think, if you're gay, what is it? | ||
| They say it's like 10% of people are gay? | ||
| But I don't even think it's that. | ||
| I think that's their wishful thinking. | ||
| I think it's probably like, probably like 1 out of 20, let's say 5%. | ||
| Whatever the number is that people are gay. | ||
| I keep looking at Jamie, I don't know why. | ||
| He's straight as fuck. | ||
| But, whatever the number is, you know, how does a gay guy know whether another guy's gay? | ||
| You gotta ask him. | ||
| So if he says to you, look at you, muscles, and you're like, look at you, BAM! It's on! | ||
| You know, you landed in Edmonton, you exchanged numbers... | ||
| Things get popping. | ||
| How does the guy find out? | ||
| He doesn't find out unless he talks to you, right? | ||
| But there was nothing inappropriate the way he was communicating with you. | ||
| It was just fun. | ||
| There was nothing inappropriate the way we were joking around about it. | ||
| I lightheartedly said, if he doesn't smack you on the ass on the way out, I'm going to be very disappointed. | ||
| We were just laughing. | ||
| And this woman read me the fucking riot act. | ||
| You're being arrogant. | ||
| Yeah, she was saying I was arrogant. | ||
| And I go, how was that arrogant? | ||
| I go, my friend's very good looking. | ||
| I go, look at him. | ||
| He's a handsome guy. | ||
| And she goes, that flight attendant was very nice. | ||
| He was very friendly. | ||
| I go, he was very nice. | ||
| I just think you're very arrogant. | ||
| I go, how am I arrogant? | ||
| I go, I just, I don't understand how that's arrogant. | ||
| That I think my friend's good looking? | ||
| That I'm upset that the guy didn't hit on him? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Neil, the whole fucking flight! | ||
| The whole flight! | ||
| He's flirting with you. | ||
| The whole flight! | ||
| One way. | ||
| There's one way flirting. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was just, the woman was upset that I made, like, that I was having fun. | ||
| She wanted to make an issue, I think, in front of her partner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just to put you in your place. | ||
| It backfired. | ||
| Horribly. | ||
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It did. | |
| Because I was mocking her. | ||
| I was smiling and mocking her. | ||
| And I never got upset. | ||
| Like, I never said, fuck off, dummy. | ||
| You know, which is, we're getting close to fuck off, dummy, though. | ||
| Because she kept saying arrogant. | ||
| I'm like, look. | ||
| I'm probably the least homophobic person that looks like me you're ever going to meet. | ||
| I'm just not. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I lived in San Francisco from the time I was 7 to 11. My neighbors were gay. | ||
| And that formative period of my life, I just was around gay people all the time. | ||
| And then being in show business, I know so many fucking gay people. | ||
| I have a lot of gay friends. | ||
| Just gay comedians. | ||
| I don't know that dude. | ||
| But if... | ||
| I'd be friends with him just to find out about Scientology. | ||
| I really would. | ||
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So... | |
| Anyway. | ||
| How do we take that hard turn into being arrogant? | ||
| You're talking about somebody in the airport. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So this is a totally different time in the airport. | ||
| When you posted that picture up on Facebook, I got this fucking barrage of people that were angry at me. | ||
| First of all, you said... | ||
| I think you put up a clip... | ||
| The first time I was up there with Luke Bryan, and I shot this bear... | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| Hunter Jobes filmed it, and we had the arrow coming out. | ||
| Amazing video. | ||
| We should show that one. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's a crazy video, man. | ||
| It's a big fucking bear, too. | ||
| So anyway, this arrow comes out. | ||
| you you retweeted it or did something to it anyway you got hammered so you're like he goes so joe he's like he goes when we go on this bear hunt he goes i don't want any pictures i I don't want any video. | ||
| I can't deal with this negativity and this hate. | ||
| That's all I've been dealing with for two or three days. | ||
| Then we kind of... | ||
| I rethought it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I thought it and I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| What do I believe? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do I believe? | ||
| And am I changing what I'm putting out there? | ||
| And a lot of people do do that. | ||
| You change what you put out there because you're worried about the negative impact of something that you actually believe in. | ||
| And I thought about it and I was like, no, fuck that, man. | ||
| I don't not believe in hunting. | ||
| I don't not believe that you should be killing this bear and eating it. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with it. | ||
| So fuck it. | ||
| So you put the picture up and then whoo! | ||
| The tidal wave of hate just came my way. | ||
| So I wrote this blog entry that I will eventually put up. | ||
| And I want to put it up to promote John and Jen, too, because I think they're just awesome folks and I'd love to pump up their business. | ||
| This guy came up to me at the fucking airport. | ||
| Fucking disgusting meatheads. | ||
| Oh, that was actually the one... | ||
| That was on the blaze. | ||
| Yeah, that was actually in support of me. | ||
| Because I put up a whole series of tweets explaining my position. | ||
| Yeah, they had that on there. | ||
| Yeah, that was very cool of them to do that. | ||
| And that had... | ||
| Did you see that number there? | ||
| That had 16,000 shares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that got... | ||
| To me... | ||
| The whole thing, this whole thing gets the hunting message out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, the right type of hunting message out there. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| That's what I'm trying to do. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| But anyway, the guy at the airport comes up to me and he goes, Hey, I can't believe you killed a bear. | ||
| That's just so beyond fucked up. | ||
| And I just look down and I go, Dude, you're wearing leather shoes. | ||
| You're wearing leather shoes. | ||
| And he goes, a cow is not a bear. | ||
| I go, yeah, you're right. | ||
| When we were there, a bear ate a cub, and then the mother came by and finished the cub off. | ||
| I told that story that we talked about earlier. | ||
| I go, so I've never heard of a cow doing that. | ||
| So yeah, you're right. | ||
| Cows and bears are different. | ||
| The fuck are you talking? | ||
| This hierarchy of animals that you're allowed to eat. | ||
| I'm not saying you should eat your neighbor's fucking dog, okay? | ||
| You know, don't eat pets. | ||
| You know, I love my cats. | ||
| I love my dogs. | ||
| I love animals. | ||
| I'm not an animal hater. | ||
| But this idea that there's, like, an animal that is sacred, you know, like some magical phoenix beast. | ||
| I always hear, that's what they're raised for. | ||
| Yeah, that's so stupid. | ||
| That argument is so stupid. | ||
| That's worse. | ||
| It's worse that an animal is imprisoned its entire life. | ||
| Its only existence is to be slaughtered. | ||
| When you shoot a deer, and that deer is wandering around eating acorns, and then boom! | ||
| Or with you, the arrow hits him. | ||
| His life is over in seconds, and his life was 100% wild until the moment it ended. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a far better existence. | ||
| Far better. | ||
| The moment my arrow passed through that bear, that bear was dead inside of 30 seconds. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We heard... | ||
| Because it's kind of creepy. | ||
| Bears do a death moan. | ||
| Especially when you shoot them through the lungs, right? | ||
| They do. | ||
| And so within... | ||
| 15 seconds we heard and you know John and you so that's it you got it it was perfect and it was done yeah within 30 seconds of that arrow hitting it that animals dead yeah lived its entire life how many years it was alive and then one moment and it's dead and then we're skinning it and then we ate it that night and the idea that someone can come up to you and be wearing leather shoes And in some way, | ||
| judge you for killing and eating an animal. | ||
| And I'm having the hide tanned, or the skin is being treated, so I'm going to have a rug made out of it. | ||
| I'm still eating the animal. | ||
| I feed it to my family. | ||
| I'm taking advantage of every single aspect of this animal. | ||
| When you pass by a restaurant, when you pass by a supermarket, every road you drive down in America, pretty much, when you go by a gas station and you see a fucking package of Slim Jims, every animal that has been involved in making those products lived a life A horrifying existence that is of unimaginable suffering in comparison to an animal that you hunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not turkey jerky, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| That was painful. | ||
| They lived a perfect life, right? | ||
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Turkey. | |
| They don't even feel it when you kill them. | ||
| Don't even know. | ||
| And then, I guess on the polar opposite of that, or I don't even know, this whole trying to figure out what the heck these people think. | ||
| I get people, when you killed your bear and I had that up there, people were posting messages on my Facebook saying they were going to kill my daughter and put her head on the wall. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Is that... | ||
| How do people get there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get there, well, there's a lot of people involved in what's called the animal liberation movement, and it's so intense that there are folks that break into restaurants and steal lobsters and let them lose back in the ocean. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| These motherfuckers don't understand that the reason why people are here today is because your ancestors ate animals. | ||
| If we were all just eating grass and fucking berries, we would still be jumping out of trees because leopards are attacking us. | ||
| We literally wouldn't be here. | ||
| Human beings, one of the main contributing factors to the growth and development of the human brain was the fact that we changed our diet from a plant-based diet to a meat-based diet. | ||
| So the human intestines changed. | ||
| Our whole... | ||
| Digestive process changed, and it freed up resources that allowed the brain to grow and develop. | ||
| This is like accepted scientific fact. | ||
| Obviously, I'm a fucking idiot, so when I'm telling you this, it's not based on anything I truly understand. | ||
| I'm basically repeating things that smart people have figured out. | ||
| But that is what they figured out. | ||
| I mean, that's a main scientific point when it comes to the development of the human brain. | ||
| So that's why we're here, dummy. | ||
| We're not here for tofu. | ||
| And by the way, they've also been proving over the last decade or so that plants have much more understanding of their environment than we ever gave them credit for. | ||
| And just because they don't have the ability to communicate with us, they don't scream when you pull them out of the ground, or they don't try to get away when you go reaching for a turnip, Doesn't mean that they're not a life form that reacts to its environment the same way an animal does. | ||
| When an animal, you know, turns its ears up and looks around because it thinks a predator is coming, that's a natural reaction. | ||
| Plants have natural reactions too. | ||
| Plants develop toxins in order to discourage predation. | ||
| They have literally things that they develop over time to keep things from eating them. | ||
| They don't want to be fucking eaten, okay? | ||
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When you're eating cauliflower, I have to feel sorry for plants now? | |
| You have to feel sorry for plants. | ||
| Well, you know, plants can scream. | ||
| People couldn't be so self-righteous. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| It's a really foolish notion that life eats life. | ||
| It's always eaten life. | ||
| That's what happens. | ||
| That's how humans get by. | ||
| That's how plants get by. | ||
| Everything eats some form of life. | ||
| There's a cycle. | ||
| And we, somehow or another, want to disconnect ourselves from that or disconnect ourselves from the concept of things that are sentient, things that are aware of their environment, things they can see and hear. | ||
| They're similar to us. | ||
| But, you know, not everybody wants to be disconnected because after the last podcast I was on with you, Do you know how many new bow hunters listened to what we talked about, listened to the connection we talked about, and never had thought about bow hunting, never had shot a bow, and all of a sudden they were at their pro shop, or they wanted to learn more. | ||
| I mean, I've had guys who said, I think it was yesterday, this guy sent me some messages, he goes, I hadn't heard of you before Joe's podcast. | ||
| He goes, and I sat one night and watched every one of your videos. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| So there are people who are disconnected, but there are people who, I guess, have been inspired by talking about this and talking about, you know... | ||
| The type of hunting and the connection we have and want that same thing. | ||
| And want to have something to train for and want to have a purpose. | ||
| Like you said, why are you in shape? | ||
| Are you competing? | ||
| Well, my purpose is to be the ultimate predator and be the very best at what I do. | ||
| And other people are interested in that too and finding out what that's about. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that this disconnection that people have in society is a main cause of people just feeling like shit all the time. | ||
| They don't feel rewarded by life. | ||
| When your day-to-day existence is just doing something that you don't enjoy and then coming home and resting, getting ready to do it again, it sucks. | ||
| When you have something that you enjoy, whether it's bow hunting or any sort of hobby, any sort of existence, any sort of discipline or practice, you work towards something and you get a reward for that work. | ||
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| It feels good. | ||
| Sacrifice, reward. | ||
| And then there's another notch that is above that is this sacrifice, work for something, achieve the results, and you actually live off those results. | ||
| You're eating it. | ||
| And that's a very primal thing, man. | ||
| It's powerful. | ||
| But it doesn't mean we're less evolved. | ||
| This is what people have to get into their mind. | ||
| Release all your preconceived notions of what a hunter is, these rednecks just out there torturing animals, these psychopaths. | ||
| Release all those preconceived notions and take in the concept of wild, of what wild is. | ||
| Just to be out in nature and watch all these things run around, watch animals chase after each other, watch Watch this natural process that gives zero fucks if you're there or not there. | ||
| And then realize that this can be your source of sustenance. | ||
| You can live in that world for brief moments in time, train for it, prepare for it, bring back that protein, and live. | ||
| And live a healthier life, too. | ||
| I think that fact right there, what you just explained, affects every minute of my life. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| I mean, because that's basically... | ||
| I'm known as a bowhunter, the bowhunter, whoever, this guy who does whatever. | ||
| So that's had such a powerful impact on me. | ||
| That's... | ||
| I mean, it's not all I am, but it's a big part of what I am. | ||
| And that's what I always say. | ||
| I always say, well, bowhunting's changed my life. | ||
| And I see these people who message me because of your podcast, and they want that same... | ||
| Could it impact my life that same way? | ||
| Could it give my life that type of meaning? | ||
| I do want to address one thing. | ||
| People talk about hunters being rednecks or barbarians or heartless or this or that. | ||
| My buddy Rick Carone is battling cancer right now. | ||
| When I do... | ||
| I'm going to sell something like I've sold bows, highest bidder type thing. | ||
| Hunters are the most generous, heartfelt people. | ||
| I mean, that's basically all my followers are hunters. | ||
| And they are so giving and so caring and loving of somebody they've never met. | ||
| They've just learned about maybe, you know... | ||
| From my website or from whatever else and I don't know I just I have a heart I mean it's just amazing to me just the heart hunters have and people are so far so wrong on I guess what what moves us what's important to us because I see people giving thousands of dollars to help somebody they've never met. | ||
| Well, the amount of negativity that you get from non-hunters in comparison to the amount of negativity and hate you get from hunters, it's hugely disproportionate. | ||
| What you talked about, about being respectful, about how when you disagree with someone on Twitter, you don't say, fuck off, you fucking dummy, and you don't get involved in any of these negative exchanges. | ||
| Because of that you attract this very positive following and I've been to your Facebook page and I've read the comments when you put something up on Instagram and it's an incredibly positive group of people. | ||
| Incredibly positive and also people that recognize the rewards of this lifestyle and recognize the negative impact or the negative opinion that a lot of people who don't understand it have and so they feel connected with each other in sort of solidarity Against what they perceive to be these ignorant people that judge them. | ||
| I know, and that's the thing. | ||
| I do get negative every once in a while, and all I do, I block them and delete it. | ||
| Just because I don't want that one person skewing... | ||
| One person can skew the whole... | ||
| Comment train, basically. | ||
| And then just takes away from the whole point. | ||
| Maybe I'm living or created this fantasy land of positivity by doing that, but that's fine because it helps me. | ||
| I see other people at Impacts, and I guess the closest thing to negativity that I've done lately is just this slogan I have on my new shirt. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| Work harder. | ||
| Yeah, and that's how we say because everything else is all positive and nobody cares. | ||
| It's tough love. | ||
| It's a little bit of tough love. | ||
| It's like everybody has issues. | ||
| Everybody has hurdles. | ||
| Everybody has challenges. | ||
| But at the end of the day, they'll listen to you. | ||
| They don't really care that much. | ||
| If you don't have what you want, you need to work harder. | ||
| So that's all I've done. | ||
| I'm not looking for sympathy on anything. | ||
| I just hope other people take that from this. | ||
| I still love you and care about you guys. | ||
| We just need to work harder if we don't have what we want. | ||
| Well, that's you, dude. | ||
| You're that guy. | ||
| Every time we were in camp, you were out there running. | ||
| You went running basically every day in fucking Alberta. | ||
| You put in the work, man, and that's why you become successful at what you do. | ||
| I like people that work hard and push through things because it inspires me to do the same thing. | ||
| Even that shirt might be perceived as negative. | ||
| I don't think it's negative. | ||
| It's inspirational. | ||
| It's like, people need to hear that shit. | ||
| Just get your fucking ass out of bed. | ||
| People love to find an excuse. | ||
| Oh, my fucking hangnail's really bugging me, man. | ||
| I can't lift. | ||
| Just get out and do something. | ||
| And that's why that Just Do It campaign was so powerful for Nike. | ||
| Because Just Do It is really what you need to hear sometimes. | ||
| Just shut the fuck up and go to work. | ||
| Get it done. | ||
| I read The Rock's tweets in his Instagrams. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because that guy will fly into somewhere at 4 o'clock in the morning, and he's at the gym at 5. And he takes pictures, and he's fucking killing it every day. | ||
| Just done. | ||
| Yeah, and that's why he looks that way. | ||
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| I mean, you see him in that movie, Hercules? | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| You don't get that way by taking the day off because you have a hangnail. | ||
| You get to look like that, possibly because of some artificial enhanced supplements. | ||
| I'm not saying. | ||
| But there's also a lot of hard work involved. | ||
| No doubt of fucking about it. | ||
| You could take all the steroids in the world. | ||
| Your body doesn't grow like that. | ||
| It grows like that from hard work, period. | ||
| Inalienable steroids. | ||
| and hard work is a magical ingredient if you can if you could apply that magical ingredient to almost everything in life and hard work also comes with hard thinking hard work everybody likes to think of as being like oh you just grunt and put in the effort no hard work is also preparation thought process understanding and that is a big part of hunting as well It's not just about, | ||
| you know, oh, it's really hard to get up that hill, get to that 7,000 feet elevation where those elk are. | ||
| No, you've got to understand the wind. | ||
| You've got to understand the behavior of these animals. | ||
| You've got to understand what's going on in the rut. | ||
| What does this bull elk attract to? | ||
| Are you going to attract a bull by pretending to be a cow, which he wants to have sex with, or are you going to be a bull, which he wants to challenge? | ||
| And you've got to know what to do what and what to do when. | ||
| I'm amazed at how much knowledge is involved in hunting and how much information. | ||
| Steve Rinella is a goddamn encyclopedia. | ||
| I need to get you two together. | ||
| He's a lot smarter than me. | ||
| Well, he's a very educated man. | ||
| I'm mostly just a bow hunter. | ||
| You guys would get along great, though. | ||
| What we need to do is when we go next year, when we go bow hunting for elk, we should do it for his show. | ||
| It might be a few extra people, though. | ||
| It might be a pain in the ass. | ||
| I know you like to roll solo. | ||
| It would be a huge pain in the ass. | ||
| But it might be worth it to get you two together. | ||
| It would be really interesting. | ||
| I think you guys would get along great. | ||
| But he's really opened my eyes to how much information is involved in hunting. | ||
| I mean, how much knowledge, how much you have to know, especially, you know, he's doing it all year round, so he's constantly aware of the cycles, the breeding, mating, food patterns, all the different things that you have to pay attention to about each individual animal. | ||
| There's just a lot going on there, man. | ||
| There is. | ||
| It's a rich, intense world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's so far removed from, you know, the... | ||
| We probably addressed it the last time, but the bubba hunting stereotype of driving around, drinking beer, shooting from the truck. | ||
| That's still out there, right? | ||
| But that's out there with everything. | ||
| I mean, I get that with the UFC. You know, people are like, oh yeah, UFC, great. | ||
| What are you doing, man? | ||
| You're fucking hanging around with a bunch of assholes, beating the shit out of each other. | ||
| Look, come to jiu-jitsu class with me. | ||
| You'll meet some of the nicest, friendliest people, and a lot of them are nerds, okay? | ||
| A lot of my friends from jiu-jitsu, if you looked at them, you would say, oh, that guy's like a nerd. | ||
| He's like a nerdy guy. | ||
| That nerd will fucking strangle you with his legs, you know? | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| What it is, is people that really get into something that is ultimately very rewarding. | ||
| And I think it's ultimately very rewarding to accomplish something that's difficult to do. | ||
| And it's something that's missing from a lot of people's lives. | ||
| A lot of people are doing something that's easy to do, and they're looking to take coffee breaks, and they're looking to take a nice long lunch break, and they're looking to take a newspaper into the john when they take a shit because nobody can say anything. | ||
| Hey, I've got to go to the bathroom, man. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| There's a lot of people that are looking... | ||
| A newspaper? | ||
| People take newspapers into the bathroom. | ||
| Their phones. | ||
| That's true too, right? | ||
| They fucking run out of batteries on the toilet. | ||
| Nobody reads papers. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Some people do, man. | ||
| Brian Callen still reads the newspaper. | ||
| Every time I'm with them motherfuckers, you got the New York Times. | ||
| Especially if someone's looking. | ||
| I like having a paper breakfast. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
| Hey, so this is one thing I forgot to ask last time. | ||
| So my kids are big, typical, regular sports fans, like NFL. Of course, I like MMA. I like UFC. So they're like, Dad, do you think a UFC fighter, say somebody like Chad Mendes, who's fighting tomorrow for the title, Love Chad. | ||
| He's a bow hunter, by the way. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Killed his first elk this year. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's a stud. | ||
| So, say, Patrick Willis, who's this huge 240-pound linebacker, who would win in a fight? | ||
| Chad. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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100%. | |
| 100%. | ||
| And so that's hard to explain because what people, or my kids, anyway, see is this huge, jacked, giant guy, NFL guy. | ||
| And then, Chad, who's, what is he, 155? | ||
| He walks around probably 160, fights at 145. Okay, so, why would he beat him? | ||
| Well, he definitely doesn't have to win. | ||
| Like, it is possible that the NFL guy could pick him up and smash him. | ||
| Just drop him on a rock or something like that. | ||
| Because you're dealing with 100 extra pounds of alpha male testosterone and bone and aggression and Mexican supplements. | ||
| Is that him right there? | ||
| That's the guy? | ||
| Why am I looking at his dick, bro? | ||
| What the fuck kind of gay porn shit? | ||
| That's the first one that comes up. | ||
| Tell that dude to pull his pants up. | ||
| I don't need to see those fuck muscles at the top of your hips. | ||
| Listen to me, boys. | ||
| If you're trying to attract the gals, I understand it. | ||
| But when you're around other men, pull your pants up so I don't see your fuck muscles. | ||
| Those weird upper hip muscles, you know what I mean? | ||
| That dudes try to be sexy. | ||
| The V part? | ||
| This shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These things right in there. | ||
| See it? | ||
| See it up there? | ||
| No, I'm not going to show you. | ||
| But I'm just standing up. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I'm seeing way too much dick. | ||
| Anyway, that's Patrick. | ||
| His only hope is... | ||
| Well, there's two possibilities. | ||
| If he has martial arts training, Chad's fucked. | ||
| He probably doesn't. | ||
| If he's like a brown belt in jiu-jitsu and he knows how to kickbox, Chad's fucked. | ||
| Because he's just too big. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if he's just a regular dude with no martial arts training at all, Chad's gonna get his back. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Choke him out. | |
| Yeah, he'll have to choke him out. | ||
| He might knock him out. | ||
| Chad hits pretty fucking hard, but he's gonna have to hit him perfect. | ||
| You're dealing with a much larger skull than Chad's. | ||
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Right. | |
| And you're dealing with Chad's size hands compared to his hands, which are probably as big as my fucking laptop. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Size is very important, though. | ||
| The idea that size doesn't mean anything, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Size means a lot. | ||
| It just doesn't mean as much as technique. | ||
| Technique means the most. | ||
| But there's a lot of factors involved in who would win in a fight. | ||
| The most important factor is knowledge and technique. | ||
| There was a dude... | ||
| That I used to roll with at 10th Planet. | ||
| It was a really nice guy who was a former football player. | ||
| He was 250 pounds. | ||
| And whenever I used to roll with him, I used to call it riding the bull. | ||
| Because I'm like, alright, gotta go ride the bull. | ||
| Because every time I'd get on top of him, well, any time we'd scramble, I would have to initially let him get on top, because he's just too goddamn big for me to take him down. | ||
| So I'd let him get on top, and then I'd have to sweep him, and then I'd eventually ride him, and then I'd eventually catch him. | ||
| But it would take me a while. | ||
| I'd have to wear his big ass out. | ||
| But... | ||
| I was just better than him. | ||
| I'd been doing jujitsu for 15 years, and he had only been doing jujitsu for like six months. | ||
| So it was just a matter of riding the bull. | ||
| I would just hang on to him, but god damn, he was fucking strong as shit. | ||
| And I always think, if this motherfucker knew half of what I knew, I'd be doomed. | ||
| I'd just be... | ||
| There's a huge advantage of being bigger and stronger. | ||
| It's just not as much of an... | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Not as much as an advantage as being technical and understanding what's going on inside a fight. | ||
| One thing I was going to ask, too, about, you know, I get a lot of questions on diet and putting on muscle and this and that. | ||
| How many, I think, you said eating meat has evolved the brain, basically. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I think eating meat is how I've been able to retain muscle and still run as much as I do, just all the protein I take. | ||
| So I was wondering, of fighters, how many of those guys are vegan or vegetarian? | ||
| There's no elite fighters that are vegan except for Jake Shields, who is a vegan. | ||
| But he still eats eggs, I think. | ||
| And he would eat game, he said. | ||
| He would eat an animal that's hunted. | ||
| But he just doesn't believe in factory farming. | ||
| He does it purely for ethical reasons. | ||
| But although Jake is fairly elite, he was cut from the UFC. | ||
| Now he's fighting in a small organization 'cause he couldn't beat the best of the best guys. | ||
| He just lost recently to Hector Lombard. | ||
| Who knows how much better Jake would be if he existed on a diet of black bear and elk? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Probably a lot better. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| So if you want to make the UFC, you better eat meat. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Jake is really fucking good. | ||
| He's a really, really good grappler. | ||
| But he's also just tough as nails. | ||
| I think that every edge counts. | ||
| There's a reason why people take vitamin supplements. | ||
| There's a reason why people take protein supplements, amino acids, all the things that are legal that people take. | ||
| They take it because it gives you an edge. | ||
| It might be a small edge, but that small edge could be the difference between Escaping a submission and tapping out. | ||
| It could be the difference between cinching up a submission and the guy gets away. | ||
| It could be the difference between getting that final push to make a takedown and not. | ||
| Those small edges all add up. | ||
| Massage therapy, yoga, every little edge, meditation, isolation tanks. | ||
| Guys are doing everything to get every little edge. | ||
| And the idea that you would do all these different things, but you wouldn't eat meat. | ||
| The science is all there. | ||
| This idea that vegan athletes are superior is fucking preposterous. | ||
| It's so difficult to get B12. It's so difficult to get all of the amino acids. | ||
| It's so difficult to get a full, complete, balanced protein without eating meat. | ||
| It's really fucking hard. | ||
| And that brings me back to bow hunting. | ||
| You talk about all those little edges added up to give... | ||
| Or those little things add up to give you an edge, that's bow hunting. | ||
| Bow hunting because people will say, well, you don't need to do this, you don't need to do that, that's overkill, that's too much. | ||
| To me, I'm thinking, I'm just adding one more little positive edge to my arsenal, and then that's how, you know, killed... | ||
| 13 bulls in the last five years. | ||
| They all haven't been just perfect. | ||
| I've needed little edges to make it happen. | ||
| To me, fighting is a lot like... | ||
| Something as difficult as bow hunting. | ||
| I think there's a lot of ego involved. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of people that don't... | ||
| They don't want to think that they're not putting in as much work as you. | ||
| So they're like, you know, oh, this guy's meathead. | ||
| You don't need to pull that much weight. | ||
| But what's that much weight to you and what's that much weight to me? | ||
| You know, my question is, okay, how much weight do you lift when you, like, go to the gym? | ||
| If you can only, like, do a curl with, like, 25 pounds and I can do it with 100... | ||
| How much stronger am I than you, and what is the difference between a 50-pound bow to you and an 80-pound bow to me? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because I fuck my shoulder up by pulling a 90-pound bow 100 times a day, 150 times. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| I actually am just finishing this Regenicane treatment. | ||
| It's the tendons. | ||
| The tendons are restrained. | ||
| You're giving all those guys... | ||
| Just repetitive... | ||
| Ammunition now for why you shouldn't shoot a heavy bow. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| If I worried about injuries, I would have never done anything. | ||
| I've had three knee surgeries. | ||
| I had my nose fixed. | ||
| I'm full of fucking surgeries. | ||
| That's what guys say to me because, you know, I run, basically I do The same thing every single day, my training. | ||
| And they say, you know, what are you going to do in 40 years when you still want to hunt but you won't be able to hunt because you've been running every day and wearing out your joints? | ||
| I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to be alive tomorrow, let alone 40 years from now. | ||
| I'm going to worry about tomorrow, tomorrow, and today I'm going to get my best. | ||
| Well, people are always looking for some negative, man. | ||
| They're always looking for something they could point at you that makes you less than them or makes you less than you think you are. | ||
| People look to diminish. | ||
| Look, I look to diminish. | ||
| I'm a fucking comedian. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| I point holes at things. | ||
| I look at shit and I go, look at this stupid bitch. | ||
| Don't do that right now, please. | ||
| That's my thing. | ||
| But that is what I do. | ||
| So I understand the mindset, but it's a very disempowering mindset to instead not be inspired. | ||
| To not be inspired. | ||
| To just poke holes at things. | ||
| Like, you don't need 80 pounds. | ||
| How about you just be inspired to go... | ||
| How about you doing a little bit of exercise? | ||
| How about you not worry about a guy who is obviously far physically stronger than you, who only pulls an extra 20 pounds of weight? | ||
| It's really not that big of a goddamn deal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an ego thing, I think, in a lot of guys. | ||
| The crabs in a bucket was one of our most popular stories from the last time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, so that's still, I guess, always going to be out there. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's always going to be out there. | ||
| I'm fascinated by the technology involved in bow hunting, too. | ||
| I mean, in the back here, we have one of those radar things. | ||
| You shoot an arrow through it. | ||
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The chronograph. | |
| The chronograph tells you the exact speed of the arrow. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that was another thing that I had to learn that I thought was really interesting. | ||
| The spine of the arrow, how stiff the arrow is, how many grains the arrow weighs in relationship to the bow, in relationship to the speed of the arrow. | ||
| Then you have to calculate all that and put out a sight tape. | ||
| And that's how you figure out... | ||
| The guys at the bow rack... | ||
| Made me a sight tape for the carbon spider and it's fucking amazing. | ||
| It's so dead on because mine was all goofy. | ||
| The last one that I printed up myself. | ||
| It's like a lot involved in learning how to do this right. | ||
| You basically have to be a scientist. | ||
| We do have to give a plug to the bow rack. | ||
| Springfield, Oregon. | ||
| We have such an advantage having bows set up by professionals. | ||
| Guys who do it every single day. | ||
| There's a lot of guys in small towns throughout We're good to go. | ||
| Can buy the same bow, buy the same arrows, buy the same everything. | ||
| The bow is not set up correctly. | ||
| It's not tuned. | ||
| And it's just not going to perform. | ||
| So we know when we go out, especially because I'm at the bow rack, I paper tune my bows. | ||
| We put it in the hooter shooter, which is a machine that shoots your bow for you to tell you whether the bow is set up correctly or there's some human error involved. | ||
| So basically at the end of the day, when we go hunting, we know the bow is at... | ||
| The top of its capability and any error is us. | ||
| So then, if I can control my errors, the error is going to go right where it's supposed to go. | ||
| And that's also with using Hoyt bows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Best bows out there as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| The technology is just fascinating. | ||
| Yeah, these Hoyt bows are just incredible, man. | ||
| The carbon spider turbo that we used when we were in Canada. | ||
| You're talking about a bear. | ||
| I mean, 250-plus pound animal. | ||
| This arrow went straight through its body and went so deep into a log that I had to break it off because I couldn't get the broadhead out. | ||
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Right. | |
| That arrow is sitting up on the wall in my office. | ||
| I mean, it passed clean through this animal like that. | ||
| Like butter. | ||
| And there's a giant difference between that and what you think of as a bow and arrow that, like from the Boy Scout days, you know, when you would shoot those little shitty recurve bows, like 20-pound pull or whatever it was. | ||
| They just don't have the kind of impact that these bows have with the cams and the technology and the way they engineer these risers. | ||
| I mean, these things are incredible pieces of work and engineering. | ||
| Well, and I, let's see, what did I just get? | ||
| I just got the brand new Nitrum. | ||
| And actually, I brought it sitting over there. | ||
| And you just asked when I walked in, you're like, why'd you bring your bow? | ||
| I'm like, because I take my bow everywhere. | ||
| Why wouldn't I bring it? | ||
| I need to keep that thing in my sight. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| You bring that when you go on the road and you set up targets places? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like here, people say, no, I'm going to be in LA, so they want to shoot and Where are you going to shoot today? | ||
| Are you going to shoot somewhere today? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Where are you going to go? | ||
| Well, there's three people here who have places that they shoot. | ||
| So I don't know if it's a range or if it's their house, but they've all invited me to meet up. | ||
| I'm going to meet up with at least one of them. | ||
| Maybe they'll all be there, and we're going to shoot both. | ||
| And one of them is going to be that flight attendant. | ||
| He's going to be waiting for you. | ||
| He's going to be wearing Velcro underwear. | ||
| Japanese... | ||
| He probably is from here. | ||
| Chances are he is from California somewhere. | ||
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What are you trying to say? | |
| Everyone's gay in California? | ||
| Is that what you're trying to say? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| That's cool, though, that you have this sort of connection with fans. | ||
| I know you do a lot of those Cabela's openings or Bass Pro Shops, whatever it is. | ||
| Which one is it? | ||
| Both. | ||
| Both of them? | ||
| You do both of them? | ||
| Yeah, I do appearances at both. | ||
| And when I go, I just, like I said, I like the positive atmosphere. | ||
| I like the camaraderie. | ||
| I like to see people working, so I'll say, hey, I went to Alaska, you know, and I said, I did the Bass Pro Shop Grand Opening in Anchorage, and I said, let's go run some mountains up there. | ||
| So I met up with a couple guys, did two different runs, and we hammered out some tough mountain runs, and it's just... | ||
| It was soaking wet, freezing, and never felt more alive. | ||
| That's so awesome. | ||
| It's cool, too, that you connect with people like that because that's also what I saw when we were in camp in Alberta. | ||
| All those guys had come into that camp that week because they knew that you were going to be there. | ||
| They wanted to hunt up during that week. | ||
| And what a positive group of people. | ||
| Oh, best guys ever. | ||
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All those guys. | |
| I'd never met any of them before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They hadn't met each other before. | ||
| That was what was crazy. | ||
| When we got there, it was almost like they were all old buddies that were hanging out together, and then slowly I started piecing together. | ||
| I'm like, when did you guys meet? | ||
| Yesterday? | ||
| You guys don't even fucking know each other? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Grand party of like really friendly guys. | ||
| I thought it was just a bunch of old high school buddies who got together. | ||
| But no, just super positive, super friendly, and we had a great time. | ||
| I don't know what type of group of people you could bring together in that short of time and have that type of connection. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Hunting just seems to do that to people. | ||
| I mean, I don't know about you, but when I'm somewhere, I don't care where, here, whatever town I'm in, when I see somebody in camo, I'm like looking at them, wondering if, you know, hey, do you want to talk about hunting? | ||
| Do you hunt? | ||
| Why are you wearing camo? | ||
| But it's just like that brotherhood. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I had a Hoyt hat on, and I was at the airport, and this old dude sat next to me, and he just plopped down right next to me, and he goes, how long you been bow hunting? | ||
| He's an old dude from Texas. | ||
| He had a Lone Star belt buckle on, and he started just telling me stories about hunting for elk and hunting for this and that and bow hunting. | ||
| He does all kinds of hunting, but he does a lot of bow hunting, too. | ||
| But that was the green light. | ||
| He just plopped down next to me and just started talking, and we had like a half an hour conversation. | ||
| Well, nowadays, that old school dude, that's awesome. | ||
| Nowadays, the young guys or the guys that seem, I don't know, I'm in communication with, They're so passionate about new bows and technology, like you mentioned. | ||
| The unveiling of a new bow... | ||
| So if you have a Hoyt, people are like, what year is it? | ||
| It's like, 2014? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So you don't have a 2015 Nitrum Turbo yet, huh? | ||
| It's just like, it's crazy. | ||
| And so Hoyt and all these other companies, Bowtech, they have this... | ||
| It's going to come out on the 15th, and they'll give teasers, and people are just on all these forums trying to guess what's going to be different, what the new technology is going to be. | ||
| And it's just so fun, and people are so passionate about it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like the release of a new iPhone. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| It's really similar. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It's really similar. | ||
| And you find out, oh, look at this. | ||
| They've got this new anti-torquing technology. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What is the new anti-torquing technology? | ||
| What is that all about? | ||
| The cable roller, how that's set up is it's going to help you tune your bow because there's no torque in that one. | ||
| Normally when you pull your string back and that cable, there's a lot of tension, a lot of torque right there typically. | ||
| Back in the old school days, that would just kind of slide on a bar. | ||
| Hoyt has come up with this system, the anti-torquing technology, where there's no torque on that. | ||
| And how they've designed the riser, it just helps all the tuning issues, the performance of the bow, the anti-torquing is one part of it, the riser design is another part of it. | ||
| All the little tweaks they make, it's just making a... | ||
| It's a sweeter, smoother shooting bow that tunes up quicker. | ||
| And what that does is, you talked about your bear, how that arrow flew straight, blew right through there. | ||
| For that to happen, that arrow has to be just flying perfect. | ||
| All that plays into that. | ||
| And that's how you get those clean, quick kills. | ||
| And if you're shooting targets, that's how you get every arrow in the X. And so it's all those little things. | ||
| People will say, actually, I shot the bow, and speed-wise, it was a little bit slower than the Carbon Spider Turbo. | ||
| It was three feet per second slower. | ||
| But... | ||
| You look at the brace height, which is a big part of why a bow is fast and why it's not. | ||
| The brace height is the distance between the string and the actual riser. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the taller that is, the quicker the arrow is off the string. | ||
| So that means you as a shooter have less impact on it being imperfect. | ||
| The shorter it is, it's going to be on that string longer, longer, longer, and then it finally comes off right when it gets close to your hand and that riser there. | ||
| And so because it's propelled for longer, it's going to be faster. | ||
| But you also have more time to drop your bow arm. | ||
| or do or flinch or do whatever wrist torque this or that and so it's generally a less accurate arrow so my my new bow is a little slower but it's got a taller brace height so meaning it's more forgiving Three feet is pretty nominal. | ||
| Not that big a deal. | ||
| But it's so sweet shooting. | ||
| I mean, I went down there and tuning a bow used to be this whole elongated process. | ||
| And it would take sometimes days to get that thing shooting through paper right and get that arrow flying right. | ||
| And it's like, is the arrow underspined? | ||
| Am I... Am I torquing my wrist? | ||
| Is having my thumb behind my neck affecting all this stuff? | ||
| Now, I go down there, it was like two shots, perfect. | ||
| And you knew it was ready? | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Well, you're an expert archer, so one of the things I've learned from watching your videos is I've seen your old... | ||
| Spider turbo, and then you went from that to the carbon spider turbo, and see the difference in the amount of feet per second, how smooth it feels. | ||
| You could see in your own videos the progression of the technology, which is really kind of cool. | ||
| Yeah, what I've noticed, even those old bows, those would kill. | ||
| Those would probably get the job done probably 90% of the time, but it's those little things. | ||
| It's that 10% that's going to Make the difference. | ||
| You know, is it going to be a lethal shot or is it going to be just a wound, a flesh wound? | ||
| And so those little things. | ||
| So yeah, before, I've killed for 26 years. | ||
| And the bows that I started with are night and day different than the bows now. | ||
| But still, it's a primitive sport. | ||
| Still, it's very difficult. | ||
| still, there's a lot of human influence on that arrow and whether it's going to fly where it's supposed to. | ||
| So you can still mess it up. | ||
| One thing that I've noticed that I've, that's helped me more than anything is that long distance shooting. | ||
| I shoot out a hundred yards all the time and we shot long distance up in Alberta, actually. | ||
| The guys want to do that because that's sort of what I'm known for. | ||
| And what that does is I'm not going to be out there shooting at animals at 140 yards or anything like that. | ||
| But man, at that slam dunk range of what I would consider slam dunk 30, 40 yards, I'm going to be able to make that shot because technique wise, I know I'm dialed in. | ||
| I know my Hoyt's shooting money because it's tuned perfectly, and so that's what's happened. | ||
| I mean, I killed those bulls this year. | ||
| One arrow... | ||
| They were down in seconds, those big 800 pound animals, and it's just perfect. | ||
| And that's, you know, that's what it's all about. | ||
| And the discipline involved is so fascinating because it seems like such a straightforward thing. | ||
| Your arm is out straight, you pull the string back, you aim through the sight, and you let the arrow go. | ||
| But meanwhile, we're in camp, there's fucking 10 dudes in camp, all of them bow hunters. | ||
| You are... | ||
| Consistently outperforming all of us. | ||
| Consistently nailing bullseyes over and over again. | ||
| And everybody's perplexed and puzzled. | ||
| What the fuck am I doing wrong? | ||
| And the difference is just inches. | ||
| Inches here, left, right. | ||
| But it's just the amount of time you put in and the focus and the discipline and just the knowledge that you've accumulated after all these years. | ||
| And that's one of the things that's so attractive about it is that it's not something that's easy. | ||
| I thought you were going to say attractive about me. | ||
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Go right back to it. | |
| The fact that it's not easy is exciting. | ||
| The fact that, man, when you shoot a bullseye at 40 yards and it just sits right in there, it's so satisfying. | ||
| Oh, it feels so good. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| It's like you would think. | ||
| I watch videos online now of archery competitions where guys are just shooting at a piece of paper 40 yards away, and when it goes in that bullseye, everybody cheers, and there's something really satisfying about it. | ||
| Dude, you watch... | ||
| So on my YouTube channel, I don't know, there's... | ||
| Almost 3 million views on there, which isn't that big a deal for Katy Perry. | ||
| For bow hunting, it's quite a few views. | ||
| So I have 150 videos. | ||
| So if you go on there and you say, most viewed. | ||
| Out of all those videos, and I've got some cool stuff on there. | ||
| I've got bears dying, water buffalo dying, and elk dying, and sheep on cliffs. | ||
| The most viewed are all shooting a bow. | ||
| Just targets. | ||
| Standing there shooting a bow. | ||
| Because people who bow hunt, or even just people who do archery, they want to see someone who's better at it than them doing it. | ||
| So they could go, okay, what's he doing here? | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| Maybe so. | ||
| Yeah, I enjoy watching you shoot it. | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| I have my own fucking bow, but I like watching you do it. | ||
| Because I go, what's he doing right here? | ||
| What's different? | ||
| Well, and I get a lot... | ||
| I had to turn the comments off a lot of the videos because so many stupid comments that drove me crazy. | ||
| So I'm like, I'll just turn off the comments. | ||
| On the comments that I've left on with the equipment, it's people just, they watch everything I do and they're like, what sight is that? | ||
| What rest is that? | ||
| Why is he moving his hand like that? | ||
| I mean, it's just, like you said, studying and studying and studying. | ||
| And it's just, to me, it's just awesome that people care that much. | ||
| And this is like, we go back to, this is what archery can do. | ||
| It can impact people, give them something to think about and not obsess about Weird, negative stuff. | ||
| They're thinking in their minds, working about bow hunting and archery and how they can be better, and that's... | ||
| I like that. | ||
| And again, there is some sort of a zen meditative aspect to just shooting a bow into a target. | ||
| I recommend it really highly to people that have zero desire to hunt. | ||
| Just find an archery range, and if you can take a lesson, take a lesson, and get a bow, figure out how to set it up. | ||
| If there's a pro shop near you that's really good, someone could help you. | ||
| Man, just a fun, fun way to spend time. | ||
| I have my kids do it, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got a six-year-old and a four-year-old that shoot bows and arrows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kids love... | ||
| My daughter will go out there and... | ||
| Here's what's funny about shooting far. | ||
| You know, like the popular ones are like me shooting at 140 or... | ||
| I think I shot a balloon at like... | ||
| 227 yards or something like that. | ||
| But I take my daughter out there. | ||
| She's 10. She's got this little Hoyt Reed curve. | ||
| And so she's shooting. | ||
| We had this... | ||
| She's shooting at 20 yards, this big bag. | ||
| And she's like, Dad, how far is that bear? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I don't know, it's like 70 yards. | ||
| She's like, could I shoot at it? | ||
| I mean, she wants to shoot far too. | ||
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You just want to know if you can hit it. | |
| And that's just, she's not thinking about hunting or doing anything. | ||
| She's just thinking about, she wants to see if that arrow will hit that where she wants it to. | ||
| Well, people who shoot a free throw want to know if they can shoot a three-pointer. | ||
| You want to know. | ||
| You want to back up a little. | ||
| All right, let's try it from back here. | ||
| Can you hit it back here? | ||
| That's what people are all about. | ||
| I mean, that's part of what's wrong with us. | ||
| We constantly push the boundaries. | ||
| More is better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are your thoughts on crossbows? | ||
| What do you think about crossbows? | ||
| To me, I mean, I've never even shot a crossbow. | ||
| But what I know about them is you don't need to practice at all. | ||
| Basically, once it's sighted in, it's like a rifle. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't like crossbows during bow season. | ||
| If people want to use a crossbow, that's fine. | ||
| I have nothing against crossbows. | ||
| I don't think they should be allowed in bow season because it's different. | ||
| We talked about the discipline and the commitment and everything you need to be proficient with a bow. | ||
| You don't need that with a crossbow. | ||
| Walking Dead's got everybody crossbow happy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That dude on the Walking Dead fucks everything up with that crossbow. | ||
| Dude, Daryl, Daryl, imagine what he'd do with a Hoyt. | ||
| I mean, are you kidding me? | ||
| He shoots that crossbow and it goes six inches in some rotten zombie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A Hoyt would go through ten rotten zombies. | ||
| Well, do they have a lighter arrow? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| A bolt? | ||
| Yeah, because it's shorter. | ||
| The arrow, the shaft is similar, but it's half the length. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but that's lighter, so it's not carrying that energy, that momentum. | ||
| So they have a problem with pass-throughs and stuff like that? | ||
| Like passing through an animal, is it more difficult with a crossbow because it's a lighter projectile? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the whole thing with an arrow, the lighter the arrow, the less kinetic energy you're going to have. | ||
| So, and people will talk about, well, that's not momentum, da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| But usually, the higher kinetic energy your arrow possesses, the more penetration it's going to get. | ||
| To increase kinetic energy, all you do is add weight. | ||
| So, your bow could be slower, but if the arrow's heavier, more kinetic energy. | ||
| So it's a heavier arrow going slower, but there's more behind it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's almost more important to have weight than it is to have, but there's a point of diminishing returns, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's way up at like 800 and some grains. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Which is a very, I've never even shot an arrow that heavy. | ||
| What I used for the water buffalo in Australia was a 650-grain arrow, and that's heavy. | ||
| You know, what we use for bear is 450. Yeah. | ||
| So the diminishing return point is over 800 grains. | ||
| And at 450 grains, still shooting 288 feet a second. | ||
| Which is, for folks who don't know what that looks like, you barely see the arrow. | ||
| Yeah, so for kinetic energy, that's probably, I know I did it, it's like 80 some foot pounds of kinetic energy. | ||
| And that doesn't mean anything to anybody other than It hits hard. | ||
| Shit's lethal. | ||
| It's very lethal. | ||
| Especially you put a Montech, you know, the heads we use were Montech broadheads, razor-sharp heads. | ||
| Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna blow through there. | ||
| And like I said, I mean went through the animal and then so deep into a log that I couldn't get it out. | ||
| I had to break off the tip. | ||
| You know what was shooting a bow like we talked about just that the fascination behind it is when I was in Tanzania those guys You know, the natives, they had who knows what type of bows they've seen. | ||
| So we're setting up a lion bait there and had like half a buffalo hanging. | ||
| And I'd put a little yellow leaf there and I'd get back 40 yards. | ||
| I want to see, you know, if a lion was here, where would my arrow hit? | ||
| So they'd be standing there. | ||
| I'd be standing back. | ||
| We'd have the bait there with the leaf on it. | ||
| And I'd stand, everybody ready? | ||
| Yeah, everybody's ready. | ||
| So I'd draw back, shoot, You know, hit the leaf, and they would just be like, big smiles on their face, just watching that arrow, just like, couldn't believe that arrow, just whack! | ||
| And it just, it was, they just wanted to look at it, and I'd give them the arrow and the bow, and they'd just be holding it, thinking, like it was some, like, witchcraft. | ||
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It was so awesome. | |
| Did they have traditional bows? | ||
| Did they make their own bows? | ||
| No. | ||
| They may. | ||
| I didn't see any. | ||
| Did they hunt themselves? | ||
| Or did they... | ||
| What did they do for food? | ||
| Yeah, they've... | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Let me think. | ||
| Well, you're talking about the one guy, the poacher, that had really made his own sort of muzzleloader out of a regular rifle. | ||
| Yeah, those guys obviously hunt. | ||
| The guys in camp, they would eat what? | ||
| What the hunters killed, basically. | ||
| But they've all hunted. | ||
| Some of them are, like Rashidi, who I mentioned, he's what they call a tracker. | ||
| And so what they do is they look at the tracks of the animals, and they can look at them, and they can tell you whether that track was from a few hours ago, this morning, last night, or two days ago. | ||
| Just by the track. | ||
| And I've hunted a lot. | ||
| I've seen a lot of tracks. | ||
| But when I look, I'm like, that's pretty fresh. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That's it. | |
| I'm a full clock. | ||
| They're aging that thing by the hour, essentially. | ||
| So that's what a tracker can do. | ||
| And then when you hit an animal, if there's a blood trail, I learned so much from those guys. | ||
| And I would ask, What are you looking at? | ||
| What's telling you that that's, you know, this age, you know, and it's just grains of sand that has fallen in off the edge, just things like that. | ||
| So, you know, I think they've probably killed a lot less than they've hunted, if that makes sense. | ||
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And they eat lions? | |
| Yeah, they'll eat. | ||
| What they won't eat? | ||
| Hyenas. | ||
| Basically, the buffalo, I'm sure they'll eat, but they'd rather use them for bait because they're just nasty. | ||
| But definitely, there's animals that they won't eat. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I couldn't tell you honestly how they feel about lions because, like I said, they're so revered over there. | ||
| It's just like all anybody could think of is, you know, we were hunting a lot of different things, but Simba was always the topic. | ||
| It was, we're Simba. | ||
| And so that was what we were after. | ||
| And I don't really... | ||
| We never killed one, so I don't really know what they would do. | ||
| Is that because they fear of those lions? | ||
| Because those lions will take people out, and they do on a regular basis there, right? | ||
| They will. | ||
| It's just like there's... | ||
| I heard stories from them over there about the lions would come into villages, and if you didn't act afraid of them, they wouldn't hurt you. | ||
| They told stories like this. | ||
| They would just walk through the village? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the kids wouldn't act afraid of them, so the kids could be around them. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kids, go play with the lions. | ||
| You gotta wash the dishes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And lions are different. | ||
| Lions are so dominant. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I... Let's see. | ||
| I stalked to within... | ||
| He was 68 or 69 yards, and I had a big male lion, a shooter, and it was quartering to me. | ||
| Obviously, I just had my bow. | ||
| With the rifle, it would have been done deal. | ||
| He was a six-year-old, mature, the kind of lion we wanted to kill, as I mentioned. | ||
| And I didn't have the right angle on the shot, so I wasn't going to take it. | ||
| So I ended up, I didn't shoot. | ||
| He got in the brush. | ||
| I got 50 yards from him. | ||
| But he knew I was there the whole time. | ||
| So, they're not like a deer or an elk that's just going to take off. | ||
| They're like, the thing about it is, if you get too close and you make that shot with an arrow, he's probably going to get you before he's dead. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You can look at all the videos you want. | ||
| Wounded, they'll come hard a lot of times at you. | ||
| At whatever wounded him. | ||
| So what was your plan for that? | ||
| No plan. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That seems like... | ||
| flawed. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You know, Ryan, he was there behind me, and he had a 416, which is a big gun, and I trust him. | ||
| So that's the plan? | ||
| I didn't ever care about the plan. | ||
| To me, I was never like, okay, you got it? | ||
| I never would look one time at what the plan was or verify there was a plan. | ||
| I don't even want to say what my mindset is because people just probably just call BS. No, say it. | ||
| No, I'm not going to say it. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| You can't say you're not going to say it and then not say it. | ||
| No, that's what little kids do. | ||
| They try to trick other kids to tell them. | ||
| No, what little kids do is they say, I'm not going to tell you. | ||
| And then they don't. | ||
| Then they tell you. | ||
| No, then they tell you though. | ||
| When they get called out, they'll be like, okay, but don't tell anybody. | ||
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No. | |
| I'm telling you, man. | ||
| You can't say I'm not going to tell you because you've called BS. People won't call BS. Just speak your mind. | ||
| You won't tell anybody? | ||
| I won't tell anybody. | ||
| I won't even repeat it. | ||
| It'll never leave this room. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| My stupid thought process is if I go there, I'm not worried about the backup plan or being covered or anything like that. | ||
| If I try to kill the lion but instead it kills me, that's just the way it goes. | ||
| So you have this mindset, like this is just your accepted reality of life. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, I'm trying to kill it. | ||
| If I lose and I'm on the other end of that, it's just the way it goes. | ||
| That's like some intense Native American talking to Outlaw Josie Wales type shit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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These are my words of life. | |
| People will probably just say, oh, he's full of crap. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I believe you're crazy enough to actually have that mindset. | ||
| You sort of saw it in bear hunting, I guess, a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| I did a couple times. | ||
| He walked down some bears and scared them off. | ||
| Yeah, you definitely... | ||
| That's the whole thing about the hunting on the ground. | ||
| Nobody's doing that. | ||
| Very few people are hunting bears on the ground. | ||
| But you had that whole camp doing it. | ||
| There's a lot of guys that were doing it there. | ||
| Well, the thing with the bears, and you saw it, is there's like this line... | ||
| And so what they do is they'll stay out there at 15 yards or whatever and we're there and they know we're there and there's like... | ||
| But then they sort of come a little closer and then they'll go back and then they sort of come a little closer. | ||
| And then pretty soon there's this line that I'm thinking once they get there, they're probably just going to come because you've let them get there. | ||
| It's like you have to have a boundary. | ||
| So as you noticed on those bear, when they would get, I can't remember what, maybe it was five yards, but I would stand up. | ||
| And I'd be like, no, like that, holding the knife or whatever. | ||
| And that, because once they're past that line, what are you going to do? | ||
| You can't let them get there. | ||
| The video, we'll play the video of you shooting this bear, the one that caused all the controversy. | ||
| But one of the things that's as shocking about it is not just the arrow going through the bear, it's how fast the bear runs once it gets hit. | ||
| It's like, jeez, that's like some Usain Bolt shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| No. | ||
| Whoa, they can move, man. | ||
| If they want to come... | ||
| we're in trouble but the bait thing is the the big controversy and you explained very clearly like why it's important because you have to really identify the sex of the animal and how old the animal is but the weird thing is that people don't have any problem with using bait for fish now and people don't have any problem with people going trophy fish hunting I caught a marlin. | ||
| How many people eat marlins? | ||
| A few Hawaiian folks, they'll eat them. | ||
| Apparently, marlin's not that bad. | ||
| It's just people think it's bad. | ||
| I don't think I've had it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I killed a marlin. | ||
| I caught a marlin a long time ago, and they said they were going to smoke it, the guys who own the boat. | ||
| They have a weird thing in Hawaii. | ||
| They give you some of the fish, but they take most of the fish. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| It's very valuable to them, you know? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, you know, like a marlin. | ||
| Marlin was about 70 pounds. | ||
| Wasn't a big one. | ||
| But a 70 pound marlin is probably worth quite a bit of money. | ||
| And it's a lot of meat, you know? | ||
| They smoke it. | ||
| But nobody has a problem with that. | ||
| But if you go and... | ||
| Take some sort of an animal. | ||
| We differentiate between a fish and an animal. | ||
| If you take a trip to Africa because you want to catch some exotic fish and eat it on the boat, nobody has any problem with that. | ||
| Like, oh, did you eat it? | ||
| Yeah, it was delicious. | ||
| But if you go and you say, we went to Africa and shot a kudu and ate it, why the fuck would you go there and shoot a kudu? | ||
| You're not doing that for food. | ||
| You're not bringing it home to feed your family. | ||
| They have very rigid ideas about what you should and shouldn't do with a mammal as opposed to what you should and shouldn't do with a fish. | ||
| Look at these swamp people shows where they go and they're shooting 500 fucking alligator a season. | ||
| They don't eat one of them. | ||
| They're not eating any of them. | ||
| They're just purely using the skins. | ||
| It's not a mammal, so it's fine. | ||
| Yeah, for whatever reason, because it's a dinosaur. | ||
| Nobody gives a shit. | ||
| Meanwhile, alligator is like some of the highest protein, lowest fat, lowest cholesterol meat you can get. | ||
| Like, it's really good for you, and it's just wasting. | ||
| Just boats full of alligator. | ||
| I mean, I don't know, maybe some of them eat them. | ||
| Yeah, probably, but, you know, and it's... | ||
| I guess when you talk about baiting, when deer are coming into an agricultural type setting... | ||
| That's bait. | ||
| That's bait because you're setting up on a trail they like to use to get there. | ||
| Or if a lot of people hunt antelope and they're coming to water, you're setting up. | ||
| Basically, water is the bait. | ||
| So, not everything fits in a perfect box. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm not guilty of it either, but with hunting especially... | ||
| Well, I can tell you when I first started hunting, one of the things that I said I wouldn't do is I would never bait. | ||
| I wouldn't do that. | ||
| And I didn't want to shoot a bear either. | ||
| Those are two things I didn't want to do. | ||
| Now I have no problem with it because I became educated. | ||
| You sold yourself to the devil. | ||
| That too. | ||
| I became educated. | ||
| We'll show the video now so people will get a... | ||
| This is the video that got everybody mad at me. | ||
| And this is... | ||
| The website is Living the Dream Promotions. | ||
| And this is our friends John and Jen up there in Canada. | ||
| Was this on my YouTube? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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We're getting ready to sit tonight. | |
| And the shot is only six or seven yards, but I always take a practice shot, so I have the target out there. | ||
| It's like a Godzilla movie. | ||
| My mouth isn't matched. | ||
| Oh, is it off? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| See that bear crack back there? | ||
| Yeah, bear crack is this mixture of marshmallows and gelatin and all sorts of smelly things that cam heats up so that the bears smell it. | ||
| So that target I'm shooting at is seven yards, six or seven yards, like I said. | ||
| I just want to have that confidence that when a bear comes in, I'm going to make that shot. | ||
| So even though it's a slam dunk chip shot, with bow hunting, there's no such thing. | ||
| And even though you've been doing this your whole life. | ||
| So look at the size of this fucking bear. | ||
| Yeah, so that's me back there in the back. | ||
| Watch the arrow go through it. | ||
| This is where it's crazy. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Look how fast that thing moves. | ||
| And that sound. | ||
| Yeah, so if it would have just veered to the... | ||
| There I am. | ||
| Veered to the right instead of to the left, then it... | ||
| Would have ran you over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it didn't even know you were there. | ||
| Or, well, if it did know you were there, it wouldn't have cared. | ||
| It was running full sprint. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| No, at that time, it was just... | ||
| You know, that was a lethal arrow. | ||
| It was just going to, it was basically going to die. | ||
| You know, so what happens when an arrow hits like that is blood pressure is dropping quickly. | ||
| It's just like your bears, you can be dead in seconds. | ||
| They are affected immediately. | ||
| And I mean, even, you know, you hear about people who they cut their femoral artery. | ||
| So they do something, cut something in their leg, 30 seconds. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| But when that happens is their blood pressure just drops. | ||
| And so that barrier, at that point, it's not thinking about, oh, I'm going to identify what did that and attack it. | ||
| It's just like, it's over, basically. | ||
| It's that fast. | ||
| In a death sprint. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I heard a guy recently got killed by a beaver. | ||
| A beaver bit his thigh and severed his femoral artery. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| That can happen. | ||
| Fucking beaver took a dude out. | ||
| Yeah, you know, that's a thing with archery as opposed to guns. | ||
| And I had a little video the other day on my website. | ||
| Or, I mean, on YouTube. | ||
| And it was just, you know, an arrow kills by hemorrhage, just by cutting flesh and organs. | ||
| And a rifle kills by shock, generally. | ||
| And generally, if you hit them good with the rifle and break them down, you hit bone or whatever else. | ||
| It's a pretty grisly type thing, but it's effective. | ||
| They're down. | ||
| An arrow going through is more like... | ||
| They're not sure what happened. | ||
| Blood pressure dropping. | ||
| They don't necessarily feel that pain, so to speak. | ||
| And they're dead quickly. | ||
| But two totally different things. | ||
| And what that was is I had shot a bull elk in Utah. | ||
| And I wasn't 100% certain of the shot. | ||
| I was hoping it was in the heart. | ||
| It was a little lower than I had wanted. | ||
| I wanted to shoot for the lungs, which is a little higher up on the body. | ||
| I hit low. | ||
| I made an error, hit a little lower than I wanted, and I was hoping for the heart, and it was just kind of that process. | ||
| But in that video, I explained the difference between bow and rifle, and you see it right there. | ||
| One thing, when I was hunting Cape Buffalo in Tanzania, I shot the biggest bull in the herd that other animals did nothing. | ||
| He did nothing. | ||
| You couldn't tell anything happened other than he was dead pretty soon. | ||
| Nobody ran. | ||
| Nobody... | ||
| No excitement. | ||
| And Ryan, who was with me at that time, he's like, I like bowling a lot better because a rifle goes off and you got a stampede. | ||
| And then that bull that you had just shot, it's just like, it's... | ||
| It knows something serious is going on. | ||
| And those bulls are... | ||
| You know, they call them black death. | ||
| They're very dangerous. | ||
| So once they're injured... | ||
| Even with rifles, they shoot them multiple times. | ||
| I mean, those things are so tough and so full of testosterone. | ||
| 1,800 pounds of just solid muscle. | ||
| But what they do is they go in what they call the tall grass, which is about 10 foot high grass. | ||
| And so you're on blood, and those buffalo will go in there, do a little button hook, and as you're blood trailing them, if they're not mortally wounded, like dead-dead, You'll be trailing that blood trail, and because they did that button hook, they're sitting there waiting, they'll just pound you. | ||
| And so they kill people every year in Africa, Cape Buffalo do. | ||
| And it's tough animals, but with the bow, I'm not saying it was an easy kill because they're very tough, but it was way less dramatic, way... | ||
| Everything was calm. | ||
| It was just, I don't know, much different than a rifle. | ||
| Did you bring both of your bows over there? | ||
| Did you bring the 90-pound and the 80-pound one? | ||
| I did, yeah. | ||
| Did you shoot the buffalo with the 90? | ||
| I actually shot it with the 80. Really? | ||
| Because I did a penetration test on a hippo. | ||
| One of the guys I was with killed a hippo there. | ||
| So I'm like, hey, how often do you ever get a chance to shoot an arrow into a hippo? | ||
| 5,000-pound hippo. | ||
| So I shot both those Bows into the hippo. | ||
| And actually, the 80-pound carbon spider arrow penetrated. | ||
| Neither one of them did a good job. | ||
| Such a big animal. | ||
| The setup wasn't conducive to hunting a 5,000-pound animal. | ||
| I would need a cutting-tip broadhead. | ||
| Like on the Muzzy Trocar, it has a chiseled tip. | ||
| And so that has to push through until you get to the blades. | ||
| And you need a 1,000-grain arrow with... | ||
| With a two-blade broadhead that doesn't have to open that hole before it gets in. | ||
| So, the point is, neither one was conducive to killing a hippo, but I measured penetration, and the carbon spider with the smaller diameter injection shaft that we shoot from Easton penetrated as much as the heavier full metal jacket dangerous game shaft. | ||
| And so, I decided, well, I'm just going to go with the carbon spider because I had more confidence in it Longer range. | ||
| And those animals were so difficult to get up on because they're living amongst hyenas and lions and they're hunted every single day. | ||
| And lots of lions there. | ||
| I mean, we saw, we probably saw, I'm trying to think, at least 10 lions, I would think. | ||
| And so it was like those, and you don't see all the lions. | ||
| So I mean, they're hunting a lot. | ||
| So I was having a hard time getting close. | ||
| So I ended up killing that, my buffalo at 62 yards with the carbon spiders, 80 pound bow. | ||
| So the thinner diameter made a difference in the thinner diameter of the arrow. | ||
| So that plays a part as well as the weight. | ||
| Yeah, because the thinner diameter as opposed to a thicker diameter shaft, that's just less surface area. | ||
| So the less surface area dragging through the wound channel, you're going to penetrate more. | ||
| What was your favorite animal to hunt in Africa? | ||
| Was it the kudu because you ate it? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, that was cool. | ||
| I mean, it was a big bull, 54-inch bull. | ||
| They had never killed a kudu. | ||
| And the fact, most people kill anything over there with a bow is at water. | ||
| When you're talking 54 inches, you're talking about the length of the horns? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The antlers? | ||
| The spiral horns. | ||
| So you measure that spiral horn and it's 54 inches. | ||
| But if anybody's killing anything with a bow, it's usually at water. | ||
| And so I didn't kill anything at water. | ||
| I spot and stalked. | ||
| In Kudu, they call them the gray ghost over there. | ||
| They're vision. | ||
| They're antelope. | ||
| So they're like antelope here in regard to vision. | ||
| But they're tall so they can see over everything. | ||
| They're as tall as an elk. | ||
| And they can see very well. | ||
| People just don't kill them spot and stalk with a bow. | ||
| This is a special kill. | ||
| It's 64 yards. | ||
| But I think my favorite probably... | ||
| I mean, I wanted a lion. | ||
| I didn't get one. | ||
| The pursuit of the lion was memorable. | ||
| Probably the Cape Buffalo, just because the notoriety it has as being Black Death. | ||
| It's one of what people term the Big Five of Africa, which is the five most dangerous animals of Africa. | ||
| An elephant, Cape Buffalo is in there, lion, leopard, and rhino. | ||
| And so that's the Big Five. | ||
| So to kill one of the Big Five with a bow, spot and stalk, in a place that It had never been done. | ||
| Very special. | ||
| What's your goals right now? | ||
| Do you have any other places that you really want to go and hunt? | ||
| Like Africa? | ||
| I want to get a lion. | ||
| I still want to get a lion. | ||
| So this is just some weird thing you got in the back of your head about a lion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Just the test. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I just want to. | ||
| I never even thought about it up until... | ||
| I've just been traveling and doing more and I don't know. | ||
| So then I got it in my head and once I get something in my head, it's just What I want to do. | ||
| But really, and I've said this before, I don't long to hunt anything. | ||
| I don't need to hunt. | ||
| If I could hunt elk every year, I'm going to be satisfied. | ||
| I love being in the mountains. | ||
| I love bull elk. | ||
| I love the challenge of trying to get in close on a big bull and make a perfect shot. | ||
| And if that's all I ever did, that's enough for me. | ||
| But you've got weird things, like you won't hunt turkey. | ||
| No. | ||
| Is that weird? | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| Steve Rinella loves turkey hunting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's funny to hear you, like, the last thing I want to do is go turkey hunting. | ||
| Well, you know, I've never killed a turkey, and then, you know, out west, turkey hunting just has never had... | ||
| The draw that it has in the south and the east, it's just people live for turkey hunting back there. | ||
| Out west, it's just like nobody even ever hunted them because we had deer, elk, bear. | ||
| We have all this big cool stuff, predators, big game animals to hunt. | ||
| And so turkey was like, why would you waste your time turkey hunting? | ||
| So that's sort of still my mindset just from that, I guess. | ||
| Turkey's delicious though. | ||
| Yeah, it's fine. | ||
| It's just fine? | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Wild turkey is supposed to be better, right, than domestic turkey? | ||
| It's a more darker meat? | ||
| It might be healthier. | ||
| It's probably not... | ||
| I like white meat, personally. | ||
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Do you really? | |
| Yeah, and it's probably not going to be... | ||
| It's going to be, I would assume, tougher. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I don't even know if I've eaten wild turkey. | ||
| But, you know, back east, where basically all they... | ||
| Or in the south, all they have is deer in the fall and turkey in the spring. | ||
| Yeah, people are... | ||
| They want to hunt, so that's what they're going to do. | ||
| You don't think it's just because they enjoy turkey? | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| I'm telling you. | ||
| You need to get with Ranella. | ||
| He loves turkey hunting. | ||
| That dude loves it. | ||
| I think they, and they always say that, you know, turkey hunting is just like elk hunting. | ||
| It's just like elk hunting. | ||
| I'm You're calling them in, you come in, and it's just like a bull coming in. | ||
| I'm like, well, yeah, it's just like elk hunting, except you can't kill a bull. | ||
| So it's not like elk hunting. | ||
| Yeah, well, it can't be like elk hunting. | ||
| You're dealing with a little skittish bird. | ||
| They say the only difference, they say elk or a bull elk is like a 700-pound turkey. | ||
| Well, a turkey's like, what's a big turkey? | ||
| Like 30 pounds or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what I say, you know, turkey hunters out there, like, hey, if you're passionate about it, it's awesome. | ||
| But what I always have said is, you know, the best thing that's going to happen on a turkey hunt is you'll kill a turkey, and that's not that good. | ||
| What about, like, bird hunting, like duck hunting and pheasant hunting, that kind of stuff? | ||
| I've killed one pheasant. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, that's the only bird I've ever killed. | ||
| You just saw about big animals. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah, and like I said, I'm not judging anybody. | ||
| That's just me. | ||
| But of course you're judging people when you're not on the air. | ||
| We're going to talk off air, folks. | ||
| He's going to judge the shit out of turkey and duck and pheasant hunting assholes and quail. | ||
| If those guys in the spring, if they can't go hunting bear like I do... | ||
| Hunt turkey. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| The thing about bird hunting that seems fun is the whole dog thing. | ||
| Like the dogs like flush them out like when a dog points and then the pheasants fly in the air and they blast them out of the sky. | ||
| That looks like it would be exciting. | ||
| Yeah, I bet it would be. | ||
| I know people, you know, that's a whole thing. | ||
| Just like hunting bear with dogs is they have that connection, the training with the dog. | ||
| And that's the same thing with the bird. | ||
| I know people who have bird dogs, and it's just like those dogs are their partners. | ||
| I did one dog hunt for bear, and the hounds are amazing. | ||
| And then the houndsmen are just, that's an art. | ||
| Yeah, it's a totally different experience. | ||
| It's like you have, like you said, partners. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are your buddies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of mountain lion hunting that they did with dogs. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I haven't done that either, but I'd like to. | ||
| Well, in California, we've got some crazy laws when it comes to hunting. | ||
| And when I say crazy, it's because they're not designed by people who are wildlife specialists. | ||
| They're designed by people who are more animal rights people. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Instead of the Department of Fish and Game, they call it the Department of Fish and Wildlife. | ||
| And their regulations about hunting, they've completely removed hunting for mountain lions and hunting for bears. | ||
| The bear hunting now you can't do with dogs. | ||
| And if you can't do it with dogs and you can't do it with bait, good luck. | ||
| You essentially have banned hunting. | ||
| This idea of baiting is offensive to some people because of what we talked about earlier. | ||
| And the idea of using dogs is equally offensive to some people because you're using an animal and sicking it on an animal. | ||
| It seems sort of like a barbaric thing. | ||
| But that is really the only way to effectively hunt these animals in the type of terrain that we have here in California. | ||
| So because of that... | ||
| It's a ton of bear and a ton of mountain lion. | ||
| And especially the mountain lion. | ||
| There's a kid who was just attacked in Cupertino. | ||
| That's where the fucking Apple campus is. | ||
| A six-year-old kid was attacked by a mountain lion in front of his parents. | ||
| I mean, they're out there. | ||
| There's a lot of them out there in California. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Tohono Ranch. | ||
| I've said it before, but there's a guy up there. | ||
| Cody Banks said that he has a trail camera that's over a pond. | ||
| They have 16 different mountain lions they've caught on this trail camera. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, yeah, lions haven't been hunted here in, what, 40 years? | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| 30-some years. | ||
| But, yeah, it's, I don't know. | ||
| They, you know, a lion kills, they say, every three days. | ||
| Kills something. | ||
| Deer, elk. | ||
| Hopefully not kids, but they're gonna kill. | ||
| I just don't know why people would want more lions than deer. | ||
| Why you would want more predators than game animals. | ||
| You gotta balance that. | ||
| Well, it's balanced everywhere else. | ||
| Everywhere else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except California. | ||
| I mean, California's just so goofy with some of their laws. | ||
| And again, this is not like a rational approach that's based on Real fish and game people that have been doing this and calculating numbers and taking accurate assessments and audits of the area. | ||
| This is all done by people who really don't want anybody hunting at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They reluctantly grant a few licenses. | ||
| And look, if you keep a lot of mountain lions around, you don't have to grant as many deer tags. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because guess what? | ||
| There's no fucking deer. | ||
| No. | ||
| And that's a whole... | ||
| Thought process behind hunting and the antis with hunting is they want to take away... | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| There's four of them on Glendora. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Back that up. | ||
| I want to see that thing again. | ||
| What a creepy goddamn animal. | ||
| There's four of them, I think. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, there's... | ||
| Four of them just wandering around on a trail camera. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Say that again? | ||
| That's going to cause some problems for deer. | ||
| That's going to cause some problems for fucking anybody. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Can you imagine if you're out there camping and you go to take a leak and you see eight eyeballs staring back at you like that? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| It's a big animal, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's what people have said, you know, the antibodies. | ||
| They want to take away small chunks of our hunting rights. | ||
| So they'll say, well, this is just lions. | ||
| And then it's just... | ||
| This is baiting for bear, and then it's just this, and then pretty soon it's all gone. | ||
| So that's why, you know, as hunters, I think we just need to protect our lifestyle and just keep preaching the positive aspects of it. | ||
| But I want to say before I get hate from the turkey hunters... | ||
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I will. | |
| I will. | ||
| Somebody, does somebody want to take me turkey hunting? | ||
| I'll go, I'll kill one, and then I'll judge whether it's like elk hunting. | ||
| You wouldn't use a shotgun either. | ||
| You'd use a bow. | ||
| Only bow. | ||
| But I can't really say it's not like elk hunting if I haven't done it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| Well, they do call them in. | ||
| They're like... | ||
| That sounds like a good call. | ||
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I should make a call, just a little recording. | |
| The Joe Rogan turkey slater? | ||
| Yeah, play it on your iPhone. | ||
| So, I gotta kill one, then I'll make the judgment on how much I like it, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| What other animals are there that are sort of underrated hunting animals? | ||
| Well, they always say the blacktail deer back home in Oregon, those are because a lot of the country, you know, blacktail are only in western Oregon, western Washington up in British Columbia a little bit, and then down, they're down here in California. | ||
| Columbia blacktails, right? | ||
| Yeah, Columbia blacktail. | ||
| But in Oregon, it's like more rainforest, so it's very dense, very dark. | ||
| Those big bucks, basically they're nocturnal all year, except for when they start breeding, and even during the rut, still very tough to, They don't pattern like a whitetail, so to speak. | ||
| A lot of guys kill them because they see these bucks on trail cameras, and they know they're coming, and they wait for the wind to be right, the prevailing winds, and then they set in their tree stand, and then that buck hopefully comes by, and it's patternable. | ||
| With blacktail, the legend is they're not as patternable, and I would buy into that. | ||
| And so killing a big blacktail isn't on top of anybody's bucket list really or very many people, but it's a very difficult, very tough trophy. | ||
| You know, all this hunting talk that we've had in the two podcasts, it always leads to people getting excited about it, but beginning the hunting process is extremely difficult. | ||
| Yeah, where to start? | ||
| Yeah, I think that that's something, that's a gap that we would really, a lot of people would be really well served if we could figure out how to bridge it. | ||
| And I've talked to Ranella about this, and we've talked about possibly setting up a first-timers camp where you would take people to a game-rich environment, like maybe, say, a white-tailed deer place where you know there's a lot of white... | ||
| He won't have anything to do with high fence hunting, which is very admirable. | ||
| So it wouldn't be that, but... | ||
| Something along those lines where you're going to a very game-rich environment and he'll set it up for you, bring it to a range first, really get you to understand rifle safety, gun safety, make sure you really truly understand how to squeeze a trigger, how to stay down on a shot, and then get you to an animal, have you shoot an animal, and then teach you how to butcher it and make a couple of preparations with the meat. | ||
| And to do something like this, start camps like that, think about this bear hunting thing that we did in Alberta. | ||
| All those guys were pretty much seasoned hunters, but a lot of them were drawn there because of you, pretty much all of them. | ||
| And that's why I wanted you to go on that hunt for the first bow hunt. | ||
| Because it's basically just what we were talking about, or what you were explaining. | ||
| It's a target-rich environment. | ||
| It's a more controlled setting than if you're up in the mountains after mule deer. | ||
| And then, you know, we processed the bear. | ||
| You skinned out your bear. | ||
| We cut the meat off. | ||
| So that's exactly what we did. | ||
| You know, your first bow hunt was exactly like what you described. | ||
| And, you know, most of those guys up there that were there, they were seasoned hunters. | ||
| They hadn't bear hunted. | ||
| How much did you learn on that hunt? | ||
| Quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah, you learned a ton. | ||
| If you're on a high country mule deer hunt that is so difficult, you're probably not going to kill one for a number of years. | ||
| A lot of guys get frustrated by that. | ||
| They're like, I wasted all this time, I wasted all this money, I just... | ||
| Can't get it done. | ||
| So I like hunts like the bear hunt to get the hunting embers heated up and burning hot. | ||
| And that's what you're describing is perfect. | ||
| We should consider doing something like that, like a camp. | ||
| For a first-timer camp. | ||
| Figuring out some way to set something up. | ||
| Because I've had so many people email me. | ||
| I've had a lot of people tweet me and send me Facebook messages saying that they got into hunting because of our podcast, because of the podcast with Rinella, which is great. | ||
| I don't know how they did it, though. | ||
| I don't know how they got into it. | ||
| I got into it because of Rinella. | ||
| If it wasn't for him taking me and Brian Callen out into Montana, I don't know how I would have started. | ||
| I don't know how to start. | ||
| And I think that that is the really difficult thing for people. | ||
| Like you said, as a seasoned hunter, what you really like to do is go out by yourself. | ||
| But you're a guy with years and years, decades of experience hunting. | ||
| For a person just starting out, going off by themselves, they're going to make so many mistakes. | ||
| Well, just you and I sitting on the bear bait. | ||
| I mean, remember the talks we had about movement? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Edge detection. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Any movement they see. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like I said, we were sitting there and so you'd see what time it was. | ||
| Or you'd want to take a photo. | ||
| And I said, you can do all that just slower. | ||
| You just got to move like you're not a predator. | ||
| But when you don't have somebody there with you, You make all those mistakes. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then it just elongates that learning curve. | ||
| So I would love to take some first-time hunter and sit there with them just like with you and just, you know, I know, you know, I'm not saying I have all the answers or whatever. | ||
| I've just made a lot of mistakes. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| So I've learned I don't want people to have to make all the mistakes I did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I practiced for a long time, but it wasn't really that long. | ||
| It was only like six months between the time we met and the time we started that camp. | ||
| But through that six months, I was steady shooting arrows, basically on a daily basis. | ||
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Diligent. | |
| Diligent. | ||
| How much time do you think someone would need from being introduced to archery to going in a controlled environment bear hunt like that? | ||
| The thing is, there's so much more to bow hunting than just shooting paper. | ||
| It's just that mindset and the respect thing, but it's so hard to learn that when you haven't done it. | ||
| It's like, how do you measure all that? | ||
| With a bow, killing an animal with a bow, The biggest thing for a new guy is just what you did. | ||
| It's just being proficient with your weapon. | ||
| You know, being proficient with your weapon, knowing where you're going to hit, and having the confidence to make that shot. | ||
| Because even though it is close range, I mean, you saw me take a practice shot at seven yards. | ||
| Even though I've done it probably millions of times and killed many, many bear. | ||
| Still, I'm still... | ||
| I'm diligent in my process. | ||
| Well, we actually talked about that because the day after we went hunting and I got that bear, we went again. | ||
| And you actually put it in my head that it's easy to, once you've done it, then take it for granted. | ||
| So you have to maintain that same mindset that you had the very first day when you made the perfect shot. | ||
| And I thought that was a very important point that you said to me because I know that people do go, ah, I've done this before. | ||
| And then you could screw up and wound a bear. | ||
| And that's another thing. | ||
| Another thing I remember sharing with you was the bear you killed, we needed to get a good look at it. | ||
| So it had been in. | ||
| We wanted to make sure it was a boar, a big boar like we wanted to kill. | ||
| and so we had it had been in and been in and i said i go and you didn't shoot it but then once we got to look at it and we were like okay that is the bear we want to kill because it can take a while to see if it's a boar they're not like you know doesn't have antlers so you have to look at you know basically it's the the hair off the penis sheath is what it is but uh and that's with binoculars so | ||
| So once, I said, once we decide, or once you decide that's going to be a bear you're going to shoot, your emotions are probably going to get going. | ||
| Because it'd been from just being, just kind of enjoying it, being close, or just kind of that moment, to all of a sudden, now I'm going to kill an animal. | ||
| That changes everything. | ||
| It did, too. | ||
| Your body just is like, okay, this is a real deal now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so that's, yeah, just that type of thing, having somebody there, or Having that conversation... | ||
| It allows people to process it on their own. | ||
| In my book, Backcountry Bowhunting, that was one of the most popular chapters that I've had. | ||
| I wrote a chapter on fear. | ||
| No guy ever wants to talk about being afraid or being afraid of the dark or scared of being attacked by whatever. | ||
| So I talked about that and I said, hey, when I was first in the mountains by myself, I was afraid. | ||
| And so when people read that and they think about it and then they're in that position, they're just like, this is normal. | ||
| This is normal. | ||
| And so when we can talk about things like the experience of, okay, now I'm going to kill the bear, now it's time to get it done, and you can kind of anticipate what that's going to feel like, you're just going to be that much more deadly, more lethal. | ||
| One thing is, I was in the gym the other day, and this guy was telling me, he's like, he has one of my old bows, just from years ago. | ||
| And he's like, he goes, Cam, he goes, I almost got a bull. | ||
| And I'm like, what happened, buddy? | ||
| He's like, 35 yards, he come in, he's bugling, and I had your bow, and I'm standing there watching him, he's 35 yards, and he's right there, and he goes, and I was shaking so bad, he goes, I don't even know how I could have shot it. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| That's how everybody is. | ||
| So that's where it is, is in that moment, shaking, but still, okay, I need to be in control and I need to do everything that I practice and make that shot. | ||
| A lot of people get that shaking and then they never get to the other part. | ||
| The precision part. | ||
| That's difficult. | ||
| Well, controlling emotions is very difficult, and almost anything you do that's important to you is going to come with a surge of adrenaline or a surge of nerves, of anxiety. | ||
| And it's just about maintaining your breathing and staying calm. | ||
| And there was definitely, for me, a big difference between, like, that's the bear. | ||
| Like, okay, woo! | ||
| But it helped that you had already prepared me for that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you did great. | ||
| Listen, brother, it's great being your friend. | ||
| It's great learning from you. | ||
| I appreciate it very much. | ||
| And it's great that we can expose so many people to this. | ||
| Well, thanks for giving me the platform. | ||
| I feel lucky to be in LA in this mess of a city and talking to you guys for sure. | ||
| So for John and Jen's website, it's Livin, L-I-V-I-N, The Dream Productions. | ||
| That's their website, L-I-V-I-N, The Dream. | ||
| And that's the place we went to. | ||
| If you want to go and if you want to experience bear hunting in that environment, you can do no better than John and Jen. | ||
| They're great folks, and they have an incredibly bear-rich environment. | ||
| And if you're a first-time bowhunter, it's the way to go. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And you can follow Cam. | ||
| You can follow him on Twitter, even though he doesn't know his Twitter password. | ||
| All of his Facebook stuff goes to his Twitter. | ||
| And your Facebook page is Cameron Haynes, too, right? | ||
| Cameron Haynes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cameron Haynes on Twitter. | ||
| Cameron Haynes on Facebook. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| Keep hammering! | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I get to tell you. | ||
| All right, my friends. | ||
| We'll be back next week. | ||
| Until then, much love. |
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