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Oct. 10, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #558 - Honey Honey
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ben jaffe
29:35
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joe rogan
01:40:19
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suzanne santo
44:38
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brian redban
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unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day!
Joe Rogan Podcast by night!
All day!
Ladies and gentlemen, my friends, honey, honey, Ben, Suzanne, you're back.
joe rogan
What's up?
unidentified
What's up, guys?
suzanne santo
Man, it's so weird without the ads.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's better that way.
We smoosh them in later.
We're boring people.
You have to sit there and listen in five minutes.
suzanne santo
I like hearing about the dick pills.
unidentified
Is it still dick pills, Suzanne?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no flashlights.
It's been a while.
suzanne santo
Our first...
Our first podcast with you, you had dick pills, I'm pretty sure, and Red Band took one.
You were talking about having a boner for like six hours.
joe rogan
No, that was totally unrelated.
He was getting some shit at gas stations.
We weren't selling that.
brian redban
That was the beginning of a bad addiction, though.
I went deep.
unidentified
What was it?
suzanne santo
There's no sponsorship involved for that.
brian redban
No, it's just Mexican Viagra where they take Viagra and mix it with acorns and call it a supplement.
You're not supposed to.
You don't know what you're eating.
unidentified
Did it work?
joe rogan
Oh, it worked.
What it is, is like, if you would buy, Aubrey explained it to us, the hustle.
If you would buy, like, you know, super rocket pills at the gas station, and it says guaranteed erection and all this jazz, they're just selling you Viagra, but they're doing it without a prescription.
And so they're just putting Viagra in these pills and then saying, oh, this is our super secret supplement.
And when people find out it works, they buy the shit out of it.
It's a way to buy Viagra without a prescription.
unidentified
Is that legal?
Well, how does it work?
joe rogan
It's not, but the fines are very low.
Really?
Yeah.
ben jaffe
And who's regulating that?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Well, the FDA... The boner police?
They regulate it if they find out that it's actually Viagra, but a lot of times they don't find out.
There's a million different names, and apparently they get a small fine.
What Aubrey said is some of the companies will change their name and then restart up under a different name and do the same fucking shit.
Oh my god.
suzanne santo
Ben, what are we doing playing music?
ben jaffe
We should be getting boners for God's sake.
Brian, I have a question.
joe rogan
They just change a name.
ben jaffe
Do you just take it and then...
brian redban
No.
Some of them times it doesn't work.
It's kind of like mushrooms where it's based on what you eat, I find.
joe rogan
Isn't this never good, though?
That seems like a disintegrating motion.
You're doing like the knuckles blow up.
ben jaffe
You guys don't do that?
Yours doesn't work like that?
joe rogan
Mine does not.
Now I'm getting sad.
I wish I had those extra effects.
ben jaffe
Go to the gas station.
suzanne santo
I was going to say, should we go to the convenience store and come back?
joe rogan
Apparently some of them at the gas station are just bullshit.
Some of them are just like some goofy herbs.
suzanne santo
But how great of a placebo is that?
Maybe it just works anyway.
joe rogan
It could if you really think you got the super hard-on pills, the super Chinese Viagra.
ben jaffe
Well, you just went global with it, and I was about to ask the question.
Isn't there a Chinese supplement where they're using rhinoceros horn, ground rhinoceros horn?
That's been a big fucking issue.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was at the airport the other day, and they had this big rhino photo that said, I am not medicine.
And it was talking about the use of rhino horns in some eastern medicines.
Yeah, there's some people that really believe it.
They believe it can bring good luck.
It can cure things.
It can cure cancer.
suzanne santo
It's kind of amazing how you can set a trend, you know what I mean?
Well, obviously, that's a terrible trend, but it takes one person to be like, I ground up this rock I found in my backyard, and I'll give you some for 50 bucks.
unidentified
That was my childhood.
brian redban
They sell a Rhino 7, it's the best one.
unidentified
It's called Rhino 7. Look at the explosions.
joe rogan
Look at the rhinos running through fire.
How bad would your life suck if you saw a rhino running through fire?
Could you imagine if you're in a forest fire and you're trapped and you're standing there?
unidentified
What are you talking about?
suzanne santo
I saw that last night.
joe rogan
And a rhino...
suzanne santo
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
What?
ben jaffe
What?
joe rogan
Do you have cleats on?
The rhino is running through this burst of fire.
That would be one of the worst things on Earth that you could ever see.
ben jaffe
That's kind of how I imagine your life.
Honestly.
We had bear talk earlier with Joe.
joe rogan
Bear talk with Joe.
ben jaffe
I got more questions, man.
joe rogan
Okay.
What kind of questions?
ben jaffe
Well, so you were telling us that it's a predator.
joe rogan
Yes.
ben jaffe
So it's in a different species of reaction in the sense of how it's perceiving everything around it.
joe rogan
Bears are omnivores.
Sometimes they'll ignore any game because they find a big patch of blueberries and they'll even ignore meat that's being left out.
They don't care.
They'll find a patch of blueberries on a hill and they'll just go to that.
Their sense of smell is incredible.
ben jaffe
So they are super sensitive though.
If you're over there, they know you're there.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
They know you're there unless you're really far away.
You could be like 100 yards away or 200 yards away with the right wind.
They might not know you're there.
But if they're near you and there's no wind, most likely they know you're there.
If the wind is blowing towards them, they definitely know you're there.
They can just smell you.
suzanne santo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Their sense of smell is way better than a dog's, and a dog's sense of smell is insanely better than a person's.
You know, it's really hard for them to measure what animals have the best sense of smell.
It's very difficult to really kind of quantify it, but what's even more difficult is us even imagining how good a dog's sense of smell is.
ben jaffe
Because it's a totally different perception at that point, right?
joe rogan
They might be able to smell like fear.
ben jaffe
Totally.
And it's like seeing an infrared or something like that.
The world just opens up in a completely different way.
suzanne santo
Is there like a fear pheromone that you emit?
joe rogan
I guess there must be, right?
unidentified
There's gotta be.
joe rogan
I think there's weird shit that you smell when you're around people that you don't like.
suzanne santo
Definitely.
joe rogan
Or people that freak you out, or people that might have bad intentions.
They have a weird smell.
suzanne santo
Absolutely.
I have a nose like a bloodhound.
joe rogan
Do you?
suzanne santo
Yeah.
It's really weird.
joe rogan
Can you track bad guys?
suzanne santo
I really can.
I swear to God.
So far, this room is okay.
Everybody's doing great.
joe rogan
Did you give Jamie a good sniff?
suzanne santo
I did, Jamie.
You smell great.
You passed the test.
joe rogan
Yeah, I couldn't imagine, like, smelling everybody's farts, like, in a city.
Like, if you're at a mall.
ben jaffe
That's a lot of farts.
joe rogan
Like, if you're a dog and you're at the mall.
suzanne santo
I can imagine it, though.
joe rogan
You're in a sea of farts.
ben jaffe
Yeah, but if you're a dog, you're eating shit, so you're into it.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
You don't mind at all.
They don't have any cultural context.
suzanne santo
You know?
Yet.
unidentified
I have faith that they will evolve.
suzanne santo
And we will see it.
ben jaffe
What do you mean?
suzanne santo
Look at Jumpy the dog.
I mean, he is way ahead of schedule.
joe rogan
Do you think dogs of today look back at the dogs of like 500 years ago and go, what about your fucking idiots chasing their tail?
unidentified
You Neanderthals.
joe rogan
Freaking out when they heard the first siren.
brian redban
But they had their heroes that we don't even know about.
joe rogan
You remember that one dog?
The dog to save the guy?
ben jaffe
The first one to bury the bone.
joe rogan
You know my friend Steve Rinello was telling me that they used to do shows where they would take a raft filled with animals and they would push them off of the big waterfall.
What is it?
suzanne santo
Niagara Falls?
brian redban
Jesus, that's terrible.
joe rogan
People would pay to watch it.
They would stay on the sidelines.
And they would push a raft of animals off Niagara Falls to their death.
suzanne santo
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Some early 1900s shit.
suzanne santo
Why?
joe rogan
Because people, you know, it was a show.
Like, people could see the show.
Like, they would pay to see.
So they would load this raft up with exotic animals that were freaking out, trying to figure out how to get off the raft, and then just send them over the top.
ben jaffe
Sick sons of bitches.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How weird.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
That doesn't sound even entertaining.
suzanne santo
I'm depressed now.
joe rogan
Okay.
It's definitely not entertaining.
It's definitely disgusting.
It definitely should be illegal.
It definitely should be punished.
But if you were there while that raft is headed towards the apex...
Do you keep looking or do you go, I don't want no part of this?
suzanne santo
That was like the primitive form of all the fucking Facebook shit of like, distractify.
It was like, let's just watch something absolutely asinine or horrifying because there's that shock factor.
But I feel like that's not too far off from watching dogfighting, even though there's gambling and betting involved.
But like, people that can handle that kind of thing, I think there's just like...
I think there's some sort of, I can't relate to this, but I think that there's some sort of innate primal instinct to want to see something terrible so it's more terrible than what you can experience in your everyday life.
Maybe feel better about it or something.
Or people are just sick and disgusting.
joe rogan
I think either or, right?
It doesn't have to be one or the other.
I mean, it could be both.
suzanne santo
Are you sure?
Like, that's for real?
Like, people actually really did that?
Like, that's not a joke?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
No, it was real.
It was like a show.
suzanne santo
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
People would pay to see it.
Yeah.
suzanne santo
We were just talking about this earlier, actually.
unidentified
What do you got?
joe rogan
What are you pulling up?
brian redban
We were just trying to find pictures of it.
joe rogan
Oh.
suzanne santo
We were just talking about this earlier.
joe rogan
Not sure if I want to see it.
suzanne santo
About being sensitive, and I was telling Joe that there's some...
ben jaffe
You guys were talking about being sensitive?
unidentified
Being sensitive.
That's what you were talking about.
suzanne santo
I brought the feminine energy today.
God damn it.
joe rogan
She does.
And whiskey.
unidentified
And the whiskey.
joe rogan
Feminine energy and the cure for the feminine energy.
suzanne santo
Whiskey.
It's true.
But, you know, we were talking about TV and there's certain...
Whenever I'm witnessing, whether it's in a TV show or a movie or real life, some people really losing or people...
Just being absolutely terrible to one another, especially when someone is trying their best and they just get kicked when they're down.
That just guts me.
joe rogan
Because you're a genuinely nice person.
suzanne santo
It crushes my soul.
joe rogan
You're a genuinely nice person who would never do that, so you see it and it drives you crazy.
One of the things that drives us crazy is the horrible things that we hope we never see in ourselves.
You know, like when we see something really pathetic, or horrible or mean or vicious, there's part of us that like...
knows it's evil and knows it's bad and people are being hurt and that part of us, without a doubt, is angry or upset at that situation.
But there's also a part of us that hopes that we're never like that.
I think that's part of what you see even when you see a murderer or we see someone whose life has gone totally out of control and off the rails and into the woods.
You just go, God, could that have been me?
That's one of the things that freaks you out the most.
ben jaffe
It opens up the spectrum of what we're capable of.
joe rogan
You see some person who shows up at their job and just starts shooting people.
And you go, what brought her to do that?
It's usually not her.
I don't know why I said her.
Has it ever been her?
Is there ever been a woman mass shooter?
That's a really good fucking question.
suzanne santo
You were just talking about this.
ben jaffe
Maybe one or two.
There was this Esquire article.
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
ben jaffe
About mass shooting.
It's not even at all.
Yeah, there's an Esquire article about it.
suzanne santo
Let's not get any ideas out there, ladies.
Let's just keep it cool.
ben jaffe
Keep it cool.
suzanne santo
Everybody, stay calm.
ben jaffe
And it was really interesting, because half the article was just like a history of maybe just the last ten years of mass shooting.
There's been a ridiculous amount of...
joe rogan
Why mass shootings are always male?
It's in Time Magazine.
Except there's a big fucking stupid pull-down menu that we can't get out of the way.
Way to go.
How about you use Squarespace, you fucks?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make yourself a really useful website.
ben jaffe
Was that one of the ads that just happened?
suzanne santo
Are we just going to slip them in?
ben jaffe
Why don't you use a flashlight to do it?
joe rogan
That was an ad from earlier.
Rhino horn.
Squarespace isn't even on today's ads, so stop it.
suzanne santo
Just stop it.
joe rogan
They make an excellent website.
That's all I'm saying.
ben jaffe
The other half of the Esquire article was about this dude who was foiled in his mass shooting attempt, and he went to prison, but they didn't.
It was like Frank Abagnale.
You know how he was this world-traveling counterfeiter, and eventually they caught him, and he started working for the FBI. Oh, I'm not aware of that.
Okay.
Catch Me If You Can, movie.
joe rogan
Leo DiCaprio.
That's about that guy?
ben jaffe
That's about that dude.
And this was a similar situation where they found this mass shooter who didn't actually get to carry out his plan and then started to use him to get into the psyche of these dudes.
And he talks about the process.
It starts with isolation, but the turning point was him starting to feel like he realized he was better than everybody.
It was loneliness and alienation and then like, wait, but the reason is I'm the best and they're the worst.
And he created his plan.
So all these guys created this.
joe rogan
Ben, are you trying to tell us you're a serial killer?
Is this your subtle way of telling us that you are a mass shooter in waiting?
Are you ready to pop?
ben jaffe
Don't at me like this.
joe rogan
Are you ready to pop, bro?
Come on.
unidentified
Questions like that, you're gonna fucking find out.
joe rogan
Well, mental illness is a terrifying thing, because I don't know what's going on in your brain, I don't know what's going on in your brain.
I can only guess, based on all the time we've hung out together, that it's nothing scary.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
suzanne santo
I'm telling you, everybody smells good in here, okay?
unidentified
Everybody smells good.
joe rogan
I agree.
suzanne santo
It's okay.
I don't smell any crazies or bad guys.
joe rogan
Woman in California postal shooting had history of bizarre behavior.
How many did she shoot?
brian redban
Six.
ben jaffe
That qualifies.
joe rogan
Do you know that the woman who, there was a woman secret service agent that got overpowered by that guy that ran into the White House?
There was a woman Secret Service agent that was on the first line of fire.
She was on the front line.
The guy got in and got a hold of her and overpowered her.
ben jaffe
That's no good.
joe rogan
That's terrifying.
He got past her.
He got past her.
suzanne santo
Was that recently?
joe rogan
Yeah.
suzanne santo
A few days ago.
Okay, I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
It's scary as shit, man.
This is scary as shit.
ben jaffe
Well, they just got outed for all this stuff, man.
Did you hear about all the shots fired on, I can't remember what part of the West, excuse me, the White House?
joe rogan
No.
ben jaffe
There were like seven shots fired into the White House.
unidentified
When was that?
ben jaffe
The Secret Service didn't know about it for a couple days.
unidentified
What?
ben jaffe
Yeah.
suzanne santo
Was it like sniper fire or something?
ben jaffe
Yeah, someone just popped off a cover.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
Yeah, and didn't the woman who ran, she just resigned?
I mean, it's a whole fucking thing.
joe rogan
And then there was one woman who got shot who was outside in her car, and she did something in her car, remember?
suzanne santo
She drove her car onto the lawn.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
suzanne santo
Weren't we there?
unidentified
What?
suzanne santo
We were in D.C. We were.
We were playing at the 930 Club.
joe rogan
I've done that place.
Oh, it's so great.
That's a great spot.
That's a great spot.
ben jaffe
Club that size in the country.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
suzanne santo
We've got to tell the story just because it's so fucking good.
One of Honey Honey's favorite live show activities is putting spirit animals on our stage.
Preferably like birds of prey.
ben jaffe
I want to play guitar underneath your story.
joe rogan
Yeah, ooh, I like it.
I like it, I like it.
ben jaffe
I'll make it appropriate.
suzanne santo
So we used to have this mascot who was a ceramic rooster.
It was fucking great.
And we took this rooster everywhere.
It's on our Instagram page.
I can show you.
joe rogan
A ceramic rooster.
How large is this rooster?
suzanne santo
Rooster size.
It's pretty average.
Pretty accurate.
To scale.
How do I show this to you?
I'm not really good at this stuff.
Anyway...
We get to the venue and the rooster gets shattered by one of the employees by accident.
And our tour manager at the time, Sam, Sam really had an attachment to this rooster.
ben jaffe
We heard him upstairs.
We were downstairs and we just heard this.
unidentified
No!
ben jaffe
We're like three balconies up and we knew that he'd gotten the news.
suzanne santo
But what's so great about 930 Club is that they're a really incredible team.
Like the whole establishment, like there's a real family vibe.
And one of the employees, incredible illustrative artist, draws up a card.
With this beautiful photo, like, drawing of a rooster with a big tear coming down his face that says, sorry about your cock.
And the whole venue signed it.
All the employees in the venue signed it, and we still have it.
And it was just one of the coolest things ever.
And, you know, that's actually a legendary venue.
Like, the people there are just phenomenal.
The sound quality is one of the best sounding rooms we've ever played.
joe rogan
It's a great spot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did that place years ago.
It's a great spot.
suzanne santo
It's awesome.
ben jaffe
We got cupcakes.
joe rogan
I'm going to D.C. soon.
I'm doing the Warner Theater.
suzanne santo
Oh, damn.
joe rogan
On the 18th.
suzanne santo
Of this month?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
Next weekend.
ben jaffe
Are you just touring all the time now?
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
What are you doing, man?
joe rogan
I'm just telling jokes.
I just did my Comedy Central special in Denver in November, so what I'm doing right now is writing new jokes.
unidentified
Hey, thanks.
joe rogan
A shitload of new jokes.
suzanne santo
It's fun.
ben jaffe
How do you approach that?
joe rogan
You write, and then you take those ideas, and you fuck with them on stage.
You really don't know.
Last night I did a bunch of new shit.
I didn't know where it was going.
But I kind of had ideas where it would probably go, and then there's some things you change when you're in the fly, because you kind of realize on the fly that it'd be better if I said it like this, or it'd make more sense if I said it like that, or I could also say this.
Under the pressure of trying to forge the idea on stage, you come up with some...
suzanne santo
Do you ever like bounce it off of anybody, like a teammate?
You just go for it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want to do that.
ben jaffe
Do you iPhone it?
You're just sitting in your car and you come up with shit?
joe rogan
Both.
I iPhone it and I also, a lot of times I iPhone it into print form.
I use that thing, that notepad, you know, the notepad you use, the little, press the little microphone, talk into it.
It's unbelievable.
Have you ever tried it?
suzanne santo
No, but didn't you have a Droid the last time I saw you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got rid of it.
suzanne santo
So you switched that shit up.
joe rogan
No, but then I got a new one, so I have a new Droid.
suzanne santo
Whoa, Redman has the massive one.
Yeah, he's got the giant iPhone.
ben jaffe
That's nothing compared to your phone.
joe rogan
Don't be intimidated.
I got one of those Galaxy Note 5s, or Galaxy S5s, and I fucking love it.
suzanne santo
Yeah, it's great.
ben jaffe
Joe, can I ask you a writing question?
You can ask me anything you want.
I don't really know how to put it.
joe rogan
Check this out.
Watch what I'm talking about.
Honey Honey Band is fucking badass.
ben jaffe
Sweet guy.
joe rogan
Watch this.
suzanne santo
Wow, I love this positive reinforcement.
ben jaffe
Honey, honey, band is fucking...
Dude, she listens.
joe rogan
That's amazing, right?
ben jaffe
Mine doesn't work like that.
joe rogan
It worked exactly.
I mean, it's got all the words.
suzanne santo
Jesus.
joe rogan
And you just talk into it, and it prints it up.
And so, I like doing that when I'm driving, because if I have an idea, I could record it, and maybe that's the way to go sometimes.
suzanne santo
Don't forget that idea for later.
Make sure you save that one.
joe rogan
I'm going to make this a sculpture.
This should be a sculpture.
I don't know what it's going to be.
A dude with his pants off, and a fucking Texas...
Belt buckle.
brian redban
Did you know that the new Siri now does Shazam?
So you could just do that, what song is this?
unidentified
I've never seen Shazam or anything.
joe rogan
Siri, you badass bitch.
suzanne santo
That is a large phone, Redman.
Does that even fit in your pocket?
joe rogan
He puts it in the front.
suzanne santo
Is that a large phone in your pocket?
joe rogan
A lot of room in the front.
A lot of extra room.
A lot of extra space.
Once you get off that room...
Some shrinkage.
ben jaffe
I had a writing question.
joe rogan
Okay.
ben jaffe
But I don't know.
Sorry for being demanding.
joe rogan
No.
ben jaffe
This is your fucking place.
suzanne santo
Look, he's about to go off the rails.
joe rogan
I like it.
I like it when you're demanding.
brian redban
I like it.
unidentified
Okay.
ben jaffe
Well, see, I don't know if this truly applies, but I feel like a lot of people who write stuff, song, comedy, whatever, When you're young, it comes, or maybe not young, there's a certain point, like an initial point where it comes very unconsciously, you know?
Just kind of flows out in a sense of like, okay, I'm just expressing myself.
And then later on down the road, there's this conscious element that you have to like retrain yourself to do something consciously that you maybe used to do subconsciously.
Am I presuming too much?
joe rogan
Well, I think with comedy, it might be the exact opposite.
ben jaffe
Interesting.
joe rogan
Because in comedy, in the beginning, you suck so hard that you're terrified of every stupid fucking word you're writing down.
You have very little confidence in anything that you're thinking.
But then as you get older, you kind of understand what you think is funny about something.
And you...
It also becomes like a different...
ben jaffe
So that's more of a conscious act though, right?
Sorry to interrupt.
joe rogan
Well, not necessarily that it's more of a conscious act, but you understand what you're trying to do now.
Because when you're young, what you're trying to do is you're trying to kick ass.
Like, I'm going to get this joke and it's going to be so awesome.
It's like I was trying to explain to a friend, like, if you made an album, like if you guys decided to make an album, like Honey Honey Band is going to make an album and our goal is to sell the most fucking records of all time.
So that's what we're gonna do with this album.
We're gonna make the fucking album that sells more fucking records.
We're gonna make a million dollars or billion million dollars because I want a fucking yacht and I want a jet and a Bentley.
So, if you approached writing your songs, and that's all you were thinking about, it would fuck you up hard.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you would somehow or another lose your connection.
suzanne santo
That happened to me when I was an actor.
joe rogan
What did you want?
suzanne santo
Fucking money.
I wanted to survive.
And I worked for a little while, and I had, like, a good two years.
And it was like, once I moved to L.A., I was living in New York, and I moved to L.A., and I stopped working.
And then every time I went to an audition, I was just so desperate.
I couldn't focus on what was right in front of me.
I had to focus on what would happen if I got the job.
ben jaffe
I think people can smell that.
I'm not kidding.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ben jaffe
I was totally desperate.
suzanne santo
But also, as a side note, that's how I started playing music because I sort of got thrown off course.
I was totally lost.
I moved to L.A. I didn't have any friends when I got here.
I had a boyfriend and we broke up.
And yeah, super sad.
And then I wrote these terrible sad songs.
Stop it.
I know.
It's so pathetic.
But it's true, like, you know, that end result, it's totally, you're absolutely right as far as, like, you know, creativity goes.
It's kind of, like, not up to you to...
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think I like, I really love being friends with guys like you guys because I don't know anything about music.
So I get to appreciate it from this like really innocent point of view.
Like, ooh, that sounds awesome.
Like, I don't know anything about chords.
I don't know how you do shit with your voice.
suzanne santo
We don't know anything about chords either.
ben jaffe
And that's kind of what I'm talking about.
No, in the sense of like, so we get to this point, and this happens to a lot of people who go to conservatories or like really study this shit, is that they have this technical understanding all of a sudden, and now they have to spend the rest of their career figuring out how to forget about that stuff.
And just like, how do I come at this like you're talking about?
Like someone who doesn't really understand it, coming from an emotional place where you're actually using it for what it's supposed to be used for.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think maybe it's just like exercising too much focus in one area.
I think it's probably that technical proficiency is probably very important in music, but it's also like nurturing a creative viewpoint, where if you're doing something, let's put it this way, if you're doing something and you're just studying, this is not to knock studying music and practicing,
but if you're practicing, say, a very particular song, and you're doing that song over and over and over again, I'm sure you're gaining technical proficiency, but Should there be an equal amount of time where you just explore making your own sounds, using your own lyrics, having your own thoughts, or should you do the classical music version of music, which is consistently performing Bach, Beethoven, songs that have been done.
They're in the can already.
You're just recreating them.
suzanne santo
I think it's a little bit of everything.
Did you want to say something?
joe rogan
It is kind of a little bit of everything, right?
ben jaffe
You beat me too.
You got it.
suzanne santo
Take the flow.
Okay.
Well, yeah, it is a little bit of everything because, you know, obviously there's muscle memory when you're playing.
So if you're in shape, it's just like working out.
I'll do exercises of classical music just to have my chops up.
Can you do it for us?
unidentified
Yeah.
suzanne santo
No.
joe rogan
No?
suzanne santo
No.
joe rogan
I'll do some.
suzanne santo
I mean...
joe rogan
No, I was talking about my violin.
unidentified
But you sound great.
ben jaffe
No, you do your martial arts warm-up.
suzanne santo
Can you keep going?
ben jaffe
And we'll do this.
joe rogan
Just stretch.
Just move around a lot.
It's not that impressive.
ben jaffe
I've just been working on this new piece.
Just a warm-up piece.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
It's pretty...
ben jaffe
It's cool.
It's like a...
It's got Keith Jarrett.
unidentified
It's very, um, almost Led Zeppelin-like.
joe rogan
Well, I... I could see, I could hear like Robert Plant.
unidentified
Babe!
Babe, babe, babe, babe, babe!
I'm gonna leave you.
I'm gonna leave parts of you, girl.
ben jaffe
And then we were like...
unidentified
I fucking left!
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
We just started a band, dude.
suzanne santo
This is amazing.
joe rogan
I feel it.
I feel it, baby.
ben jaffe
Holy shit.
joe rogan
It's inside of me.
From now on, I'm wearing big sunglasses, wigs, large hats.
I want attention.
ben jaffe
We want to be able to see your dick through your pants.
joe rogan
You can see my dick through my pants no matter what.
Whether you want to or not.
ben jaffe
There are no pants big enough.
joe rogan
It's angry.
unidentified
It's aggressive.
joe rogan
It's on the move.
suzanne santo
It's angry.
Angry dick.
joe rogan
Constantly pressing the boundaries of cloth.
ben jaffe
He's such a sweet guy, but he's got a mean dick.
joe rogan
Everybody look out.
It's a little fucking honey badger on my pants.
unidentified
It's all mad dick Rogan coming down the street.
joe rogan
It's not even that big.
It's just crazy.
Crazy Pete's big, dude!
That's the rule!
Yeah, but think about it.
If you had, like, a fucking drunk kangaroo or a wild, vicious rat, I'd be more scared of the rat.
You know, the kangaroo's, like, wobbling, didn't look explosive.
ben jaffe
I don't know.
Well, you could get the plague from a rat.
joe rogan
Rats scare the fuck out of me, man.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
We've talked about it on the podcast before.
I had a bad situation with a rat once at a pool hall in New Jersey.
Me and my friend John went to this place to play pool, and there was this...
Fucking huge rat.
I'll never forget.
Just big, giant, fucking crazy yellow teeth.
Scared the shit out of me.
suzanne santo
All you think about is getting bitten by the rat.
I have a great rat story, and I really want to tell this.
This is a good one.
So, back in the dizzy...
No.
joe rogan
Would you ask her to play music?
Play music!
unidentified
Come on!
ben jaffe
She's not interested.
joe rogan
I like this.
suzanne santo
Wait, let me, let me, this, well, it's pretty dark, so, like, you know what, whatever moves you.
ben jaffe
Let me, let me paint this with my tone poems.
joe rogan
Dark.
Dark?
We're looking for dark?
suzanne santo
So, um, I used to work in retail back in the day.
unidentified
Can we name this story?
suzanne santo
Yeah, let's call it, um...
unidentified
Rats blood.
joe rogan
Rats blood.
suzanne santo
Okay, that's actually really loud.
unidentified
Rats blood.
ben jaffe
Oh, okay, I'll stop.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Suzanne Santo.
Rats blood.
suzanne santo
Rats blood.
So, I was working in retail, and it was a horrible job.
It was, like, totally degrading as a human, and all you would do was fold clothes all day, and it was really expensive, and these...
People would come in and spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothes and they were just shitty and mean and rude and rich, whatever.
Not that that all constitutes, but it was just an unpleasant experience.
joe rogan
Right.
suzanne santo
And from whether it was a customer or the staff, my employers were just not kind and they didn't give a shit about you.
I knew I was kind of walking on thin ice because I wasn't enthusiastic about being there.
It was just a job.
And one day before the biggest sale of the year where people, like ladies, freak out.
I came into the store and that weekend there had been like, there had been indications and evidence that there were rodents because, and I, you know what, I knew it were rats because I could smell them, I swear to God.
I was like, I could smell, literally when someone says I can smell a rat, there's a musty smell to them.
You can fucking smell them.
joe rogan
I never saw that.
suzanne santo
Oh, it's totally, because my first house in LA, I moved into off of a Craigslist ad had rats and I knew, I was like, that smell, I know that smell.
That was from my old house.
That's a rat.
So, long story short, The exterminators come in and set traps the night before, so Saturday morning when this big sale starts, all the girls were like, oh my god, do you think they caught something?
I don't know.
We walk into the store and there's one dead rat upstairs, there's one in the trap downstairs, another one downstairs, and then there was another, there was a trap that had been deployed And there was a big, large piece of a tail.
And blood.
I'm talking blood all over the clothes, all over the wall, but no rat.
And one of the girls had walked into the front of the store.
And also, you should know, there was a line forming outside of people that wanted to get in to get this end of the year sale.
One of the girls walks in.
She goes, oh, what's that?
And it was the size of a cat.
And it was the rat that got out of the trap, that like lost its tail, was in the middle of the store, bleeding, and it was like this big.
Everybody's freaking out.
One of the girls was ballsy enough to throw a trash can over it.
So it's like...
It's like screaming.
At this point, it is time to open the store.
People are knocking on the window.
We were able to create a diversion and put some clothes racks so you couldn't see the trash can.
ben jaffe
You let people in while there was a rat in the trash can?
suzanne santo
From the window.
Nobody was let in.
It was screaming.
unidentified
We called the exterminator.
suzanne santo
Oh, it gets so much better.
The exterminator comes back.
We're like, dude, there's a fucking live rat in the store.
We can't open the doors.
We have a sale.
There's a line around the block.
Everybody's on the phone.
Everybody's freaking out.
The exterminator shows up.
And he walks in.
He's like, oh, yeah, that's a problem.
And he's like, well, I don't have my pellet gun.
And the next thing I know, he walks out to his truck, and he comes back with a 2x4.
And he's like, you ladies might want to step back.
unidentified
Kicks the trash can open and just fucking splat.
It was so awful.
It was like watching him fucking blow up a watermelon in the middle of the store.
suzanne santo
So then, oh, it gets so much better.
So after he kills the rat, and it's like guts and entrails are all over the place, the store manager is like, ladies, we need to clean this up and open this door.
I was like, are you fucking serious?
So they're like, buckets of bleach and whatever clothing has the blood on it, just take it out.
We'll cancel it out later.
So we're cleaning.
We're running around.
And I'm not kidding you.
The door's open.
Five minutes.
And the manager, who's my age, calls me upstairs and she's like, Suzanne, can I have a word with you?
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure, whatever.
Go upstairs.
And I get fucking fired.
She was like, look, you know, we've been wanting to talk to you about, you know, your performance here.
And like, I don't feel...
I know that you want to be a musician.
She said, want to be.
And I was like, fucking cunt.
I am a musician, goddammit.
But anyway, I was like...
You couldn't fire me before you made me clean up the rat's blood?
I had to clean up the blood and then get fired?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Like, it was one of those moments where I literally, I lost my shit.
And then she was like, well, you can stay for the rest of the day if you want.
I was like, you think I want to stay here?
And look at you, I hate you!
It was horrible.
But it's such a good story.
joe rogan
So, going through it was all worth it at the time.
suzanne santo
Well, it was just, I'd never, like, I'd never experienced, like, any, it's such a fantastical story.
joe rogan
That's a very good story.
suzanne santo
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny how a story that is absolutely horrible at the time becomes awesome?
suzanne santo
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those are the good ones.
suzanne santo
It was a low point, though, because it was so insulting.
When someone just degrades you like that, she said, I know you're trying to be a musician, but your heart's not in it.
And I was like, of course.
joe rogan
Your heart's not in solid pants.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't want to solid pants.
ben jaffe
And cleaning up rat innards.
unidentified
Exactly.
suzanne santo
You're right.
joe rogan
Smashing fucking rats with two by fours.
suzanne santo
I don't care about your sweaters.
ben jaffe
You need to examine your priorities.
joe rogan
My friend Steve Rinell was explaining this to me this weekend about struggle.
And it's a very important, interesting point.
And he was talking about working, like, struggling really hard, doing something that sucks, is not fun at the time.
But it's fun later on for a long time.
Whereas something that comes really easy, like fun, like rollercoaster riding...
It's fun at the time, but after it's over, has no fun attached to it anymore.
I was like, whoa, that is crazy.
If you think about it that way, there's fun stored up in chaotic experiences.
suzanne santo
I don't know, he's obviously never been rollercoaster high.
joe rogan
Yeah, but even if you have, it's still 30 seconds.
Whoa, we did it, it was crazy!
And then you kind of tell it, but you just told a fucking harrowing story of a rat trapped in Under a trash can shrieking while a bunch of chicks are banging on the window trying to save some money.
And it's like this fucking rat's...
And the guy comes in and smashes it.
That is a great fucking story.
That at the time, you must have been like, fuck this job.
And you fucking fired me, you fucking cunt.
suzanne santo
Oh, that day.
Like, immediately afterwards.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But look how great it is now.
It's like there's been...
There's like energy stored up in that moment that's come through in a big way.
suzanne santo
I think witnessing amazing, crazy, like, acts of nature like that in any respect, I'm sure you've seen crazy things out in the wilderness, you know?
It's just like, oh my god.
joe rogan
Well, I've been talking about this, like, the last few days I've been really happy.
Like, I'm always pretty happy.
unidentified
That's great.
joe rogan
But really fucking happy because I'm not in the fucking rainforest in Prince Edward's Prince of Wales Island.
In Alaska, sleeping in a wet tent.
And I'm like, dude, the houses are awesome!
Electricity is the shit.
suzanne santo
Were your socks wet?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Everything was wet.
My sleeping bag was wet.
My clothes were wet.
I turned my light on.
I had a miner's light on, one of those little things that you put on a little headband.
It sits over the forehead, like a third eye.
Your enlightenment eye.
I turned this thing on in my tent, and I just saw, like it was raining dew drops.
Literally, everywhere you looked, the entire air, all the air was filled with moisture.
Nothing stays dry.
ben jaffe
What were you eating?
joe rogan
It's impossible.
We just ate freeze-dried foods.
We were drinking right out of the lake.
suzanne santo
How long were you there?
joe rogan
Five days.
We were drinking right out of the lake.
suzanne santo
Did you have giardia filters and shit?
joe rogan
There's no giardia because there's no beavers up that high.
Not only that, it's a lake that's made entirely of rainwater.
It's not fed by a river or anything.
suzanne santo
What did it taste like?
joe rogan
It just rains so much.
It's just pure rainwater.
suzanne santo
Wow.
ben jaffe
What?
joe rogan
Yes.
ben jaffe
So there's no tributaries or anything?
joe rogan
Nothing.
It's 160 inches of rain a year.
It's the rainiest spot in North America.
So you just dip your canteen and drink it.
ben jaffe
With everything huge?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I'll show you some pictures after the podcast's over.
It's amazing.
It's so humbling, but...
Beautiful, amazing, solitary, really wild, but when you get back home, you feel great.
I think that's the balance.
I don't think the balance is living by yourself.
I don't think the balance is going all Ted Kaczynski.
I think the balance is going out to nature.
I'm going out on a limb.
But I think the balance is going out into nature and being around people.
It's like both.
suzanne santo
Definitely.
joe rogan
It's like both.
Like a nice...
suzanne santo
Well, we need to exchange that energy, whether it's like physical contact or just, you know, attention.
ben jaffe
Well, it's perspective and seeing the stars.
That's a huge one.
unidentified
Huge.
Giant.
ben jaffe
You know, we just got to go to Hawaii fairly recently.
And you look up at the stars...
joe rogan
Did you go to the Keck Observatory?
ben jaffe
No, we didn't.
joe rogan
You gotta go.
Where is it?
It's in Hawaii.
It's on the Big Island.
suzanne santo
Oh, that's where we were.
Shit.
ben jaffe
Maybe we'll go back there.
joe rogan
I'm scheduling my next trip.
I'm going to make sure if I go there, that I go there when there's no moon out.
Because the last time I went, it was fucking amazing.
But the moon was out.
So you don't see anything but the moon and a few stars.
But the time before I went, it was all stars.
It was no moon.
It's insane.
You can't believe...
You almost get angry that you can't see that every day.
ben jaffe
Everybody should see it on a regular basis.
If you can't do it every night, it should happen regularly, weekly, monthly, whatever.
Because it just sets you back to the point of understanding what is actually going on, where you are.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I think we're blocked off.
We're in a car with, like, super tinted windows.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
ben jaffe
We look so cool.
joe rogan
We can't see.
ben jaffe
We're obviously successful.
joe rogan
It's dark out.
We can't see shit.
unidentified
What is that?
suzanne santo
We're obviously successful or being abducted.
It's one or the other.
ben jaffe
Maybe porn being filmed in the next.
joe rogan
One or the other.
But when we're flying around through the galaxy and we don't realize it, we can get cocky.
But when you're standing on that Keck Observatory and you're looking up and you see the very defined Milky Way galaxy, it's so crazy.
You're literally on some sort of a spaceship with no roof, and you're flying through the galaxy.
That's what it feels like.
suzanne santo
It's everything.
You just feel so small.
It's like, wow, this is fucking huge.
ben jaffe
It's such a great feeling of small.
joe rogan
Yes.
Because it's not really that you feel small.
It's that you realize the enormity of it.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything.
The whole package.
It's not even that you feel small.
It's just like it's humbling.
And I think that's one of the reasons why people are so goddamn cocky.
I think we fucked up by making lights everywhere at night.
suzanne santo
You know what?
No, I think it's what you said.
It's a balance.
It's like people need to remember to get away and reflect and be out.
Shut it down.
Turn the fucking phone off.
Don't look at your Facebook page.
Go be outside.
Just take it in.
I kind of felt like that when I spent a summer surfing.
I'm not a good surfer, but I used to live by the beach and I diligently would go with a friend of mine who was teaching me how to surf and I had so many moments where I was getting tossed around and where I was scared.
And you just feel like, this is the ocean.
This is huge.
This is so much bigger than me.
And I had so much respect for Great Mother Nature.
I really did.
I would have these moments where I would get up at 6 in the morning with my friend and go surfing and then have this awareness for the rest of my day.
It's pretty fucking cool.
I would imagine that the people that surf frequently, that's their hobby, have a real essence about them.
joe rogan
This is definitely a spiritual connection.
suzanne santo
Totally.
ben jaffe
It was in alignment with this energy that's so much more powerful than you when you're riding that wave.
joe rogan
Even people that just, like, go to the beach every day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or all the time.
Like, that's one of the reasons my beach towns are so chill.
suzanne santo
Isn't something about the salt alkalizing or something?
unidentified
It's probably really good for you.
suzanne santo
Yeah, it's very cleansing.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
If you go by Santa Monica and you watch the waves, you'll see the mist.
You can see the mist.
People are breathing that.
And the air is clean as shit.
There's a fucking hundred million cars and the air is clean there because it's all coming off the ocean.
It's just a totally different sort of vibe.
It's a totally different life.
suzanne santo
Why aren't we living by the beach, guys?
joe rogan
So we had both of those.
ben jaffe
Let's live our dreams.
joe rogan
The beach and the stars.
But the stars.
I think of the motherfucker of all motherfuckers.
It's like the beach.
ben jaffe
And the forest, too, though.
suzanne santo
Forest is a motherfucker.
ben jaffe
That's big.
suzanne santo
Are you talking about Hawaii still?
joe rogan
Well, everywhere.
I mean, Hawaii is amazing, too.
I was in Hilo.
I went through Hilo, and you drove up by the mountain.
Wait, is that the canyon?
No, Hilo is just one of the cities in Hawaii.
suzanne santo
Are you thinking about Kona?
ben jaffe
No, it's not Kona.
It's on the Big Island.
unidentified
Waipu.
ben jaffe
We were talking about Waipu.
We were there.
There was this...
Canyon.
Is that what...
suzanne santo
By the waterfall?
ben jaffe
Yeah.
There was this literally thousand foot waterfall running right off the northwest coast of the island, I think.
joe rogan
Of the Big Island?
ben jaffe
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
suzanne santo
It looked like Jurassic Park.
It was legitimately like...
joe rogan
Didn't they film that there?
suzanne santo
Probably.
I would imagine they did.
joe rogan
Did they?
I think they did on Oahu.
They did Lost.
Yeah, they filmed Lost there.
suzanne santo
Oh, okay.
unidentified
It was so amazing.
suzanne santo
We went in July with some really good friends of ours, and I've personally never been anywhere tropical, so that was my first time.
joe rogan
Hawaii was your first tropical trip?
suzanne santo
Yeah, like two months ago.
joe rogan
It's the best one.
ben jaffe
But it's such a crazy one, too, because it's not just tropical.
You know, there's the rainforest, there's like the volcanic fields.
joe rogan
The people are cool as shit.
I love Hawaiian people.
You know, people always say, like, you'll hear that, like, Hawaiians are, like, negative towards white people, you know, or negative towards mainlanders, but I just think there's too many of us that are douchebags.
suzanne santo
I think that's what it is.
joe rogan
We come over there and, like, you know how much my fucking airplane ticket costs to get over here to your fucking stupid island, man?
And these people are thinking, my ancestors came over here in a fucking canoe, bitch.
ben jaffe
They're tough people.
We met this guy named Kavika.
We were staying in a place that was literally right on the beach so we could walk out 20 yards and be snorkeling.
And he was just instructing us about the wildlife.
Don't touch that.
suzanne santo
We learned a little too late, though.
ben jaffe
He got...
Well, we learned in a way that he would have just shrugged off, you know, he just brushed it off his shoulder.
This dude got an urchin or some sort of spine.
suzanne santo
They're like the spider urchin, the black spiky ones.
joe rogan
I got one of those in my foot.
suzanne santo
Me too, man.
ben jaffe
This dude had it impaled through his wrist.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ben jaffe
And you can't take it out.
It's too brittle.
He had it in his wrist for a year.
It just happens and it slowly disintegrates.
suzanne santo
Before your body pushes it out, yeah.
ben jaffe
You know?
It's like, okay, that's...
joe rogan
Whoa.
suzanne santo
And like, we both had...
You had one on your thumb.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
suzanne santo
And I had one on my foot.
And like, I felt it for like three months.
You know?
Like, it was...
I'd have these moments where I'm like, ah!
You know, I went for a jog or whatever.
And I'm like, my fucking pinky toe.
unidentified
It's all...
suzanne santo
It's all swollen!
ben jaffe
But it's a great reminder, too.
It's just like, that's like the stars.
I honestly think so.
When you have that kind of interaction with nature, and it's still there, and you think, fuck, that hurts, but it's because I did this.
It's because I was in that environment, and I need to be exposed to that shit.
joe rogan
Well, you gotta get some of them scuba shoes, girl.
suzanne santo
Well, I had them on, and it was just that one little spot where you could get right through it.
But, you know, it's okay.
unidentified
I'm over it.
joe rogan
I was totally barefoot, like a retard.
suzanne santo
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
With a four-year-old.
suzanne santo
Did you step on it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I stepped on it.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
But the guys at the hotel, they knew some shit, and they had some sort of vinegar solution, and they put it on it.
I put it on it for like 20 minutes, and it was pretty good.
I worked out that night, and it felt better.
I felt like if I worked out on it, too, I'd kind of smash it all up, whatever's in there, and it would slowly make its way out.
ben jaffe
Well, and they make it, urchins make it really clear.
They're not like, surprise, I got you.
They're like, I'm a spiky fucking thing.
unidentified
Don't touch me.
suzanne santo
Well, before I kicked it, I saw it and I reached for it and then I was like, Suzanne, maybe don't do that.
And I was going to pick one up like a fucking idiot.
ben jaffe
How would you do that?
suzanne santo
Because I was fascinated.
I've never been anywhere tropical.
ben jaffe
I know, but it's like you see like a rusty blade and you're like, I've never seen one of those.
joe rogan
Let me pick that up in my tongue.
ben jaffe
I wonder what it tastes like.
suzanne santo
You know what was amazing, though?
The sea turtles.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
suzanne santo
They look like angels.
I swear to God, they looked into my soul.
They were just right there.
ben jaffe
Do you guys want to drink more of that whiskey?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have some more.
I'm a big fan of all those animals.
We went swimming with dolphins, which was amazing.
I had my four-year-old with me in the water.
I was holding on to her, and she's snorkeling with me.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I want to expose her to as much crazy shit early so it seems normal to her.
I've already started teaching her martial arts.
Really?
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And the six year old is pretty good.
ben jaffe
They probably take to that stuff really naturally.
joe rogan
I think there's certain aspects of certain movement that are just normal and natural for people if you teach them how to do it.
But I think there's also learned experience and DNA. But anyway, the point is, she wasn't scared of going in the ocean and being with the dolphins.
She didn't know any better.
She's four.
If I waited until she was nine and I said it, she might go, what?
What if there's a shark?
But she's four.
I'm like, it'll be fine.
She's like, okay.
We're in there swimming around.
ben jaffe
I was on Kauai.
I've been to Kauai twice, the time that we were talking about, and one other time I was on Kauai, and I saw a family, and we were on a dock, and the dock was probably 10 feet off the water, right?
And there's a bunch of family members in the water, and then a dude dangling a little kid off the side, and the kid's like, ah, fuck!
And then they just drop it.
unidentified
Sploosh!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
And then they save it and it's fine.
But that's how they get used to it.
suzanne santo
I don't know if I'm into that.
ben jaffe
Either you're traumatized or you're Michael Phelps.
unidentified
I don't think it works that way.
ben jaffe
I think it might.
suzanne santo
Ben, is that how Michael Phelps learned to swim?
I don't think so.
ben jaffe
Why would you ask me like I know that?
suzanne santo
Well, because you just referenced him.
ben jaffe
No, but the point is that I think that could...
joe rogan
Yeah, you have no data to back up your claims that I can create a Michael Phelps.
suzanne santo
Hold on.
ben jaffe
I was taking a little poetic license.
unidentified
Did you hear Michael Phelps got a second DUI? I saw that.
joe rogan
Give that man his weed back.
ben jaffe
He likes to party.
joe rogan
Give him his weed back.
You're testing him for weed all the time.
That's the problem.
No wonder why he's drunk.
suzanne santo
Yeah, we are.
joe rogan
We got plenty more where that comes from.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Plenty more.
ben jaffe
Just to defend my Michael Phelps statement one more time.
We were talking earlier.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ben jaffe
Shitty stories.
Hold on, I'm not ready.
suzanne santo
I'm on deck.
joe rogan
Ben is slow with the cheers.
ben jaffe
I'm really sorry for serving you guys your drink so slow.
joe rogan
Damn, he turns it around on us.
suzanne santo
Ben, I'm supposed to drive tonight and you just poured me a bucket of whiskey.
joe rogan
Would I ever say no to you?
We have a car service.
brian redban
Can you call it Uber?
joe rogan
No, no, we have a real car service.
It's on staff.
ben jaffe
Did you hear about the Uber driver who hit the guy in the face with a hammer?
joe rogan
Hit the guy in the back seat?
The passenger with a hammer?
ben jaffe
I thought they were in the front seat.
I don't know.
unidentified
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
The passenger.
And I'm sure these stories are going to just keep coming out, but first kind of uber freak out that I'd heard of.
suzanne santo
God damn it.
ben jaffe
I was like, yeah, okay, this shit actually is unregulated.
joe rogan
Maybe the guy who was in his seat was like really bad.
ben jaffe
He could have been a dick.
suzanne santo
What's he doing with a hammer in his car?
ben jaffe
Brian, am I crazy?
You know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
Maybe the guy was trying to bite his dick.
Uber hammer attack may clarify firm's responsibilities.
Wow.
ben jaffe
Damn.
suzanne santo
Well, they've definitely been...
joe rogan
Is that the guy who got hit with a hammer?
unidentified
Wow!
ben jaffe
Oh, yeah, look at him.
suzanne santo
Oh, my God.
ben jaffe
You know, for getting hit with a hammer, he doesn't look too bad.
suzanne santo
But, you know what?
Can I tell you something?
I felt...
I don't know.
They've been expanding at a pretty miraculous rate.
Like, Uber and Lyft are just growing and growing, like, more and more.
So, if you're getting, you know, a higher volume of employees coming in, you're going to get a crazy in there.
joe rogan
Every now and again, right?
Good point.
Rational, Suzanne.
Proper rational, Suzanne.
suzanne santo
Ask me another one.
I feel ready.
joe rogan
What can we do about peace in the Middle East, Suzanne?
unidentified
Pass.
ben jaffe
Smart move.
Know what you know.
unidentified
Thank God.
Know that you don't know what you don't know.
joe rogan
Well, that's what every fucking person on Earth should say.
suzanne santo
You know what?
I don't feel equipped or comfortable to get into that conversation, but I did tell you, you know, I'm reading a lot of Chomsky lately, and it's such an argumentative subject that, like, I'd rather just talk about, you know...
unidentified
Rats being killed.
suzanne santo
The wilderness and rats.
ben jaffe
And retail stores.
joe rogan
Good call.
suzanne santo
Because it's, you know what, like, but also I feel like a fucking pansy at the same time.
I was thinking about this this morning.
Like, what do you stand for?
Like, do you sit on the sidelines and let it, you know, like, you have your relationship with it and you let it sort of transpire the way it's going to or...
ben jaffe
But there's already too many players on the field.
You know what I'm saying?
I agree.
There's already 15 a side and they don't need more people being like...
suzanne santo
But without tooting our fucking horn here, Ben, we have a platform that is continuing to grow and I'm not saying that that's not...
What we're here for.
We're here to play music and spread love and be what we are.
But at the same time, we also have an opportunity to, if there's something really important that we believe in, to talk about it.
Now, I'm not saying I want to talk about peace in the Middle East because, again, I don't feel qualified for that.
But I had this reckoning this morning where I was like, what are you going to do, Suzanne?
How are you going to handle this kind of energy if that's the right thing to do?
You know what I'm saying?
I'm kind of babbling.
joe rogan
No, no, no, you're not.
It's that angst of not really being able to fix some of the primary concerns of our culture.
suzanne santo
Well, it's like doing our part.
ben jaffe
I think you just had the perfect answer, which is we don't know.
And it doesn't help the situation to just introduce energy into it, to be like, ah, that's fucked up.
It's like, yeah, we all know it's fucked up.
joe rogan
I think there's people that are compelled to fix the system.
There's people that are compelled to point out the flaws in the system.
There's people that are compelled to inspire others.
Maybe that's where you guys are.
You might inspire others with your words or your music or your combination of your talent and your points of view might influence people's ideas.
In turn, that sets.
I think whenever someone who makes a lot of sense or someone who speaks in a way that makes you realign your perceptions of the world, when they communicate with folks and they put something in their head, those people may spread those ideas out and add to them and it goes further and further and further.
And then eventually, all of that influences the culture in a more positive way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most protests, or most, I mean, there's very few, like, really, like, angry, violent reactions.
What they do is they cause people to become defensive, they cause people to re-examine the situation, but what causes people to really change themselves?
It's almost always inspiration.
It's almost always wanting to be inspired.
Like, if you see someone, like, have you ever gone to see, like, someone perform live, and you just go, fuck!
And you just want to go home and play, and you just want to go home and practice, right?
Like, that fuel.
You know, like, sometimes you'll go see a movie, and it's just, it's so good, you just want to go to the gym, you know?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
Like, sometimes these things happen.
joe rogan
You know what I'm talking about?
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Sometimes you're in your car, and a fucking song comes on, and it just changes your state, you know?
You just, all of a sudden, you just feet, you get that feeling washes over you.
Fuck yeah!
You know?
Those things...
For you and you, Ben and Suzanne, for you guys, this is your avenue.
This is your avenue for change.
suzanne santo
You just really set me in.
Honestly, I've been thinking about this a lot.
I really appreciate that.
joe rogan
Everybody doesn't need to try to fix the world.
Everybody can't fix the world.
ben jaffe
We were talking about this on the drive over here a little bit.
suzanne santo
It's not about fixing the world.
It's just about making sure that I'm...
I don't want to say doing what I'm supposed to do.
Doing your part?
ben jaffe
Not sitting out when I... But I think the point of what he's saying is by following through on something you're passionate about, that is the best thing you can do because it creates those environments for other people.
joe rogan
And having opinions.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And expressing yourself once you've established...
Like what you guys are doing, you're establishing your music, establishing your art, and then you have opinions.
And then people go, God, those guys seem so cool and they make sense.
That doesn't make sense.
suzanne santo
Not all the time.
ben jaffe
You know what's crazy, though?
To me.
I was...
I've become more and more comfortable with opinions changing, and my own opinions changing, because I think I've actually been, which I didn't understand it as this, but it's a conservative mindset to be like, no, this is my opinion, I'm sticking to it.
I've been reading this Dylan book, and that's the reason I'm bringing it up.
It's fascinating, because I'm reading all these interviews with him throughout his career, and I just got to 1980, right?
And this is him, like, counterculture figure, like, fuck you guys, I'm talking about what I want to do.
In 1980, he's a born-again Christian.
Legitimately.
suzanne santo
I didn't know that until the drive over here.
unidentified
I was like, what the fuck?
ben jaffe
Christ is the way and the light.
This is what I believe in.
Bob Dylan was a born-again Christian?
110%.
Honestly.
And it's amazing to see this dude who's so comfortable in just inhabiting what he's experiencing at that time.
suzanne santo
He's looking it up, Ben.
ben jaffe
This is what I'm doing.
suzanne santo
He wants to double-check.
unidentified
No, this shit is from the host's mouth.
joe rogan
Wow.
ben jaffe
You know what I'm saying?
But it's a shocker to see these words, because this is just my upbringing.
When someone talks about Jesus that openly, I get kind of freaked out because of my shit, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ben jaffe
But to hear him talk about this, it just, like, realizes people fucking change.
joe rogan
This is a BobDylanJesus.com page.
ben jaffe
There you go.
suzanne santo
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
The details.
suzanne santo
How fascinating.
joe rogan
Bob Dylan's Jesus years.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
Bob Dylan's for Jews for Jesus.
suzanne santo
So many different people.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's an artist.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he takes chances.
ben jaffe
When you really see in this, just in reading these things, this dude was using a persona and still is.
Like, Bob Dylan is something, he sets it aside from himself, and that's how he figured out how he could create.
You know what I mean?
He's like, that's Bob Dylan, and I can kind of remove myself and do whatever the fuck I want.
Now I'm kind of, not blameless, but like...
Disassociated almost.
joe rogan
Wow.
I don't know about all that.
unidentified
Oh, I guess there's a documentary.
joe rogan
There's a documentary.
There's a film.
This is a film.
Inside Bob Dylan's Jesus Years is a film.
suzanne santo
Ben, who's the guy from The Who?
ben jaffe
Which guy from The Who?
Pete Townsend?
suzanne santo
Pete Townsend.
joe rogan
Oh, he was the one that got caught looking at child porn.
unidentified
No!
ben jaffe
But he got cleared.
He got cleared, man.
suzanne santo
Baba O'Reilly?
ben jaffe
What's that?
Yeah, that's a Who song.
joe rogan
Right.
He got cleared.
ben jaffe
About the masturbation.
joe rogan
He got cleared, but what does that mean?
ben jaffe
That means, like, this is a dude who's been sexually molested as a child in his life, and he was doing, like, a project trying to expose shit, you know, being like, this is fucked up, you know, and he kind of got outed for...
And look, I mean, I'm not an expert on it, so I hope this doesn't bite the situation.
joe rogan
Right, I hope you're right.
I hope you're right.
I definitely don't want him to be a trial molester.
ben jaffe
Healthy viewpoint.
unidentified
Yeah, I try to look towards the positive at all.
joe rogan
But he's an odd guy.
He is.
He made a statement about homosexuality or about being a woman, about he had been a woman in his life.
And it was very strange because it was like this...
suzanne santo
He had been a woman like in a past life?
joe rogan
No, in a sexual sense.
Like he had been the receiving end of male sex.
So he had like played...
Are we talking about butt sex?
unidentified
What are we talking about?
joe rogan
I think you'd have to talk...
Did Brian just go...
unidentified
Pete Townsend...
suzanne santo
You creeper.
joe rogan
Here, I'll read you the quote.
ben jaffe
I'm so excited about my protein powder, Joe.
joe rogan
I'm glad you're happy.
ben jaffe
I really am.
suzanne santo
Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Jaffe is going to be bulking up.
joe rogan
What are you doing to bulk up?
ben jaffe
Well, first of all, my back is hooked, so I'm doing a lot of core shit.
joe rogan
This is his quote.
I know how it feels to be a woman because I am a woman.
unidentified
Fine.
joe rogan
I'm just telling you.
Sure.
ben jaffe
Unsuccessfully.
joe rogan
What's more important, man?
Your back is temporarily hurt?
Or the time where Pete Townsend talked about being gay?
ben jaffe
Okay, sorry.
Did he talk about being gay?
suzanne santo
Did he talk about when he had his first period?
joe rogan
I don't know if you call it a period when it's a man's butt.
It's not like an egg got dropped.
suzanne santo
I'm just checking.
You are not a woman for having butt sex.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
Yeah, you're not, right?
You're not.
Do you accept a woman who's like a transgender woman?
Do you accept that as a pure woman?
suzanne santo
Sure.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
What does that mean, pure woman?
And you're like, listen, bitch, I know you ain't got no period.
You need to stop pretending every month.
You're freaking out.
Maybe I'm having my period.
You don't have your fucking period!
You used to have a penis!
unidentified
Right?
I'll call you Dolores, but you stop bitching about your fucking period!
What transgender woman is bitching about her period that you've been hanging out with?
joe rogan
If you don't think there's some transgender woman out there bitching about her period, you have no imagination.
I guarantee you, of all our transgender friends out there that are listening, I'll fucking, I'll bet you.
suzanne santo
Wait, first of all, let's backtrack.
So you had Buck Angel on the show?
joe rogan
Yes, Buck Angel.
Was that a dream?
ben jaffe
We talked about it?
suzanne santo
We talked about Buck Angel.
joe rogan
I always wanted to have him on the show.
He's cool as fuck.
suzanne santo
He's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
He's a really nice guy.
He's a really nice guy.
And it's, you know, I'm very flexible with my ideas about, like, gender.
Totally.
I don't begrudge anybody their own sexual proclivities, their own ideas about gender conformity and about gender identity.
I have been in this battle with a lot of transgender people over the last year or so, but it's purely because of one individual.
ben jaffe
Who's that?
joe rogan
It's purely because of a woman who used to be a man.
She was a man for 30 years and started MMA fighting.
I know who you're talking about.
I said a bunch of rude, mean shit.
unidentified
There's some things that we don't know that you know that I know.
suzanne santo
You know what I mean?
ben jaffe
I'm not okay with that.
joe rogan
I said a bunch of rude, mean shit.
You know, that if I, like, thought about the possibility that it would make other transgender people feel bad, I probably wouldn't have said it again.
But the reality is that it's one thing to say that you're a woman, but it's another thing to say that there's not some crazy mechanical advantages to the male frame that you don't lose when you transition to being a woman.
It's not...
There's a one...
There's a 10%...
Was she accepted into the league?
But in some states, well, it's I see that's the other thing.
I don't even have a problem with a man like Having a fight with a woman like an actual man having a fight with a woman if they both agree on it If the woman knows she's fighting a man and the man knows he's fighting a woman and they both agree if you could fucking ride bulls Okay, why can't you?
Which we can.
Why can't a woman decide she wants to beat the shit out of a man and see if she can do it?
If they both weigh the same.
ben jaffe
No reason.
joe rogan
Why not?
ben jaffe
Hey, Joe.
joe rogan
Hey, Ben.
ben jaffe
How's her record?
joe rogan
Hi, Agenda.
ben jaffe
How's her record?
joe rogan
How's her record?
ben jaffe
The record.
Did she win a lot?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's like every time.
It's not just win.
Win in, like, really quick, violent ways.
ben jaffe
That's horrible.
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, she lost once, though.
She lost once to some badass bitch.
She lost once.
But it was just like, you know, all due respect, not trying to be mean, her skill level is very rudimentary.
I watched her movements, and there's nothing substantial about it.
There's, like, there's some MMA fighters.
But is it just brute force?
Well, no.
There's definitely technique involved.
She definitely knows a lot of technique.
She definitely trains hard.
There's no doubt about it, because she's fighting five-minute rounds.
I don't know if they fight five-minute rounds in a lot of these female organizations.
Sometimes they lower the number of minutes.
But she's definitely talented.
She definitely can fight.
There's no doubt about it.
It's not like she's some horrible amateur that has no idea what she's doing.
She's knocking people out.
Whether or not she's knocking...
You know, what they would call cisgender.
That's what they like to call it.
Transgender people like to call people that were born a certain gender called cisgender.
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
I don't know what it stands for.
No one knows.
unidentified
No one knows.
joe rogan
It's popcorn.
Why do you call it popcorn?
You just do.
ben jaffe
Okay.
joe rogan
You pop the corn.
unidentified
You pop the corn.
I think I do know why they call it popcorn.
joe rogan
Why is Kool-Aid Kool-Aid?
unidentified
I don't know.
ben jaffe
Is it a band-aid?
joe rogan
It's not that cool.
suzanne santo
It'll give you diabetes.
Sorry.
unidentified
Sorry.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
See, but for the first few fights, she didn't admit that she used to be a man.
unidentified
Ooh, that's weird.
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
And she said that it wasn't something they required of her, and she thought it was a mental...
suzanne santo
Did someone help her?
joe rogan
A medical, yes.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Or, I don't know.
I don't know.
I shouldn't say.
I don't know exactly how it came out.
But the people that fought her that didn't know that she used to be a man were pretty fucking upset.
suzanne santo
Honestly, this is so interesting.
This is fascinating that at this day and age, this is an argument that we have.
You have to label something and then it's like, well, is it this or is it that?
And it's both things.
Is Buck Angel the butchiest of lesbians or is Buck Angel a man?
You know what I mean?
First of all, I respect Buck and I think that he's great.
We met him.
He's great.
But at the same time, I'm just kind of fascinated by the whole conversation to begin with.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sorry, go ahead.
ben jaffe
I was just going to say, I think to most rational people, it doesn't really make a difference.
It's like self-definition.
You can call yourself whatever you want.
I think it's when people start proselytizing about it.
That's a problem.
Because then, I don't know, it's invasive.
joe rogan
In this issue, my only concern is that it's a personal safety issue.
suzanne santo
Sure.
And there's sort of like a, I don't know, fuck, I don't want to get involved in an argument with anyone on the internet, but it almost sort of feels like an unfair advantage.
joe rogan
Well, no, it's an unfair advantage.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It is an unfair advantage.
It doesn't mean that the woman isn't going to win.
The other woman isn't going to win.
What it does mean is just that the physical advantage, it's often like you can overcome physical advantage with technique, but you shouldn't have to.
There's a certain amount of physical advantage where I don't know.
I don't think the studies have really been done on fighters.
I think there's been some studies on athletes and athletes' reaction, but I think the difference between being a man who transitions into being a woman and competing in Olympic volleyball It's very different than being a man who used to be a woman who transitioned to combat sports.
Because you're essentially dealing with having an advantage in dealing out concussions.
And that's a big deal.
There's a difference in the way we're shaped.
You know, and the broader shoulders of the male, the larger hands, the more narrow hips, the different geometry of the body.
The beautiful curve of the brow.
unidentified
Yes.
Tell me more, Ben.
ben jaffe
The sweat dripping off the buttocks.
unidentified
Well, gotta go.
We'll see you guys later.
joe rogan
The jar is so wide.
ben jaffe
We'll be fine in here without Jesus' aid.
joe rogan
Accommodate my cock and balls.
suzanne santo
Careful, he's got an angry dick, remember?
joe rogan
It's very furious right now.
All this fucking transgender talk is making it angry.
suzanne santo
Joe, Joe, I have a question.
Have you ever fought a woman?
joe rogan
No.
No.
I sparred with them.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Way, way, way back in the day in Taekwondo.
Never in kickboxing, but in Taekwondo classes sometimes you have to spar with them.
But I never hurt one.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
ben jaffe
I love playing basketball with women.
unidentified
Do you?
ben jaffe
Honestly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet you do.
ben jaffe
No, I really do.
joe rogan
Everybody gets sweaty.
unidentified
Nice way to meet people.
Doesn't mean anything.
You bump up against each other.
suzanne santo
Do you bump up against each other?
ben jaffe
Okay.
No, sure.
You make your jokes.
joe rogan
That's fine.
ben jaffe
I got a valid point here.
That's okay.
unidentified
Get it out.
suzanne santo
Have you ever gotten a boner while playing basketball?
joe rogan
Have you ever gotten a semi?
ben jaffe
What?
Did that come out?
No, but honestly, everybody chills out and everyone just plays.
I think it's kind of more on your volleyball tip in the sense that people are playing the game then.
It's not about like, I'm going to fucking elbow this guy in the face.
I'm going to play physical.
It's like people are actually applying the techniques of basketball.
suzanne santo
There's some serious basketball drama.
It's almost like when dudes...
Well, in general, like extracurricular...
I'm not talking about martial arts and actual training that you're involved with.
My experience with extracurricular sporting activities are kickball and basketball and softball.
joe rogan
Those are huge in my world.
suzanne santo
It's amazing because people get so into it.
And the ones that get angry...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
suzanne santo
And you're like...
We're here to have fun, but at the same time, that kind of sometimes also makes it more fun because then there's that guy that everybody can be like, wow, look at fucking, I don't know, Ted.
joe rogan
When we were in Boston, we used to have a comedian softball game.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Every Monday.
suzanne santo
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I think it was.
Comics would get together and fucking yell at each other.
It was fucking safe!
We'd scream at each other over softball.
unidentified
Oh, it's so funny!
suzanne santo
It's the jam!
P.S. Honey Honey is very athletic.
We love all sports, so if you guys want to get down...
joe rogan
You guys, alright.
suzanne santo
I love it.
joe rogan
Throwing the gauntlet down.
suzanne santo
We swing a heavy bat, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, fucking Roadkill Ghost Choir right now.
ben jaffe
You know Roadkill Ghost Choir?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've been going back and forth with them on Twitter.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
What?
ben jaffe
They opened a show for us.
joe rogan
Oh, they're the best.
ben jaffe
They're really fucking good, man.
suzanne santo
That's amazing.
joe rogan
What a small world.
You guys are the best.
ben jaffe
No, it's okay.
joe rogan
They're also awesome.
ben jaffe
Everybody can be the best.
joe rogan
I really like those guys, though, a lot.
ben jaffe
They're awesome.
joe rogan
They're fucking badass.
They sent me one of their CDs.
It's cool.
suzanne santo
Ben, was that in Nashville?
joe rogan
I'm a producer.
unidentified
Here's my card.
joe rogan
Hey, I love it!
This has got a dick on it.
What is this?
unidentified
What is this?
joe rogan
This is a hotel kit.
Who the fuck are you?
suzanne santo
Is that a suggestion?
unidentified
What are you doing?
ben jaffe
We're just throwing it at this.
Sometimes you gotta lay it out.
joe rogan
What it is.
suzanne santo
Who knew this podcast would be so...
joe rogan
Dark.
suzanne santo
...homo-friendly.
joe rogan
They should all be homo-friendly.
ben jaffe
Everybody should be friends.
joe rogan
You know what we shouldn't be?
We shouldn't be hetero...
We shouldn't be hetero-negative.
ben jaffe
Hetero-exclusive.
joe rogan
That's what we shouldn't be.
suzanne santo
First of all, I did not mean to say that.
ben jaffe
I think you did.
unidentified
I think you came from a deep part of yourself that is speaking to millions of people.
suzanne santo
First of all, I'm part gay.
Secondly...
joe rogan
How much?
20%?
suzanne santo
I don't know.
I can...
joe rogan
20% sexy.
50% is confusing.
unidentified
I would say I'm 35. Damn.
suzanne santo
Like every few years.
joe rogan
That's a good number.
Every few years, give a chick a drunken sloppy kiss.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
unidentified
That's fun.
joe rogan
Nothing wrong with that.
suzanne santo
No.
joe rogan
Men are not granted those kind gestures.
Go ahead.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
Ask anything.
ben jaffe
Have you ever kissed a man?
joe rogan
Never.
ben jaffe
Okay.
unidentified
Never.
brian redban
Do you want to?
ben jaffe
No.
joe rogan
But I did allow myself to ponder.
unidentified
Yeah?
Well, you got to.
joe rogan
When I was wondering about this Mick Jagger, David Bowie thing.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And I was thinking, okay.
Okay, am I really wrapped up tight and connected to this idea, not just of heterosexuality, but of lifelong heterosexual practice exclusively?
Like, am I so wrapped up in that that I couldn't give a man a kiss?
And then I was like, you better shut the fuck up, homo.
I said that to myself.
I said that to myself.
Trying to plant these thoughts in my head.
ben jaffe
You gaybashed yourself.
joe rogan
Yes, I gaybashed myself.
Because I was trying to...
I was wondering.
I was like, okay, these guys...
I always...
I do little things where I will try to...
Experience things or go places or put my mind or my consciousness in an unusual situation because I think that when you have unusual experiences, even if you watch unusual DVDs or go to a strange place, you take in new information.
That new information interacts with all the other information in your head and you form maybe new creative ideas.
So I think as a person who tries to be creative, it's good to have as many experiences as possible.
suzanne santo
Totally.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
There's a certain line that I go, I just don't think I can do that.
When I look at Mick Jagger and David Bowie, I wonder if they were like, fuck it, fuck everything, man.
Fuck homophobia.
Fuck, I'm a man, you're a man.
Fuck, I'm only attracted to women.
suzanne santo
That's a quintessential rock star, though.
ben jaffe
I think those are dudes with a different spectrum than you, though.
unidentified
Maybe.
It could also be drug-induced delirium.
ben jaffe
And going through the...
I think those dudes at that time had probably been through enough to say, I've been to the limit.
I've seen the edge of the cliff.
joe rogan
But that's the old adage.
If you suck enough dicks one day, you're going to want to have sex with a woman.
Like if a gay guy gets to some breaking point.
suzanne santo
I feel like that all the time.
joe rogan
He's had a hundred million dicks in his ass and mouth.
He's like, enough!
ben jaffe
Blizzard of dicks.
joe rogan
Enough!
I want a woman.
Well, it doesn't happen.
But does it happen the other way?
Where a man, a straight man, has so many different female partners that one day he needs...
Okay, they fucked.
unidentified
I want to be the guy that says it.
suzanne santo
Who is the little spoon?
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
If you're lying on someone's shoulder and they put their arm around like that, what you do is you reach up at the left arm, you protect the neck.
It's very important.
Don't use the thumb like this.
You want to do it like this.
You want to cup it and don't let go of that wrist.
Pin it down to your chest.
Dan, you gotta shrimp out.
I know you guys know about shrimp out.
unidentified
Hello!
ben jaffe
Hashtag shrimp out.
suzanne santo
Oh man, everybody, it's so great.
It's so great at the show.
Sometimes people will just be like, Ben, shrimp out!
And it's like, yeah!
It's so funny.
ben jaffe
That is the only podcast.
suzanne santo
What a beautiful thing.
What a beautiful part of our history here, Joe.
ben jaffe
Oh, that's Lou Reed.
Wasn't that Lou Reed?
joe rogan
Um, is he cussing?
That's David Bowie.
ben jaffe
I know David Bowie, but that looks like Lou Reed on the left.
joe rogan
It is Lou Reed.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
David Bowie's a goddamn...
Or Steve Guttenberg.
David Bowie's a goddamn freak.
unidentified
He's a slut.
He's a slut.
joe rogan
Just slinging dick all over town.
ben jaffe
He's another fucking man.
He's the man.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
suzanne santo
Do you know what?
joe rogan
Ground Control, Major Tom.
suzanne santo
I think that is the ultimate form of...
ben jaffe
That's Elton John.
But that's a great song, too.
joe rogan
Same shit.
I'm talking about space.
Sorry, Ground Control, Major Tom, whatever.
suzanne santo
You guys are just adorable.
That's fucking so cute.
ben jaffe
Let me bond with John.
suzanne santo
Why aren't you wearing matching t-shirts?
joe rogan
I didn't know.
Give it time.
unidentified
Give it time.
joe rogan
I didn't get my penguin package.
suzanne santo
Oh, damn!
joe rogan
Remember when you were kids and people would have fake alligator shirts?
suzanne santo
We would give you some of our stuff, but your muscles are too big.
joe rogan
I wear your shit.
suzanne santo
You won't fit.
joe rogan
Fuck, we should have brought your dress.
ben jaffe
We have new shirts.
Hold on, can I say something that's very relevant and important to this podcast?
You have a listener.
Who made us a piece of artwork.
joe rogan
Be careful what you say.
ben jaffe
Well, look, dude, we've treated him with the utmost legal respect.
I'm not even kidding.
He made two bills.
His name is Bill Patterson.
And he put two dollar bills.
They were one dollar bills.
unidentified
Yeah, I've seen that.
ben jaffe
We made shirts out of that, dude.
That's like our merch.
joe rogan
That's a great picture.
unidentified
It's fucking awesome.
suzanne santo
We have to get you guys t-shirts.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
suzanne santo
Why didn't we bring those?
joe rogan
Fucking drop the bra.
Guys, we live in the same town now.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I think it's going to be fun.
You guys aren't living in Tennessee anymore.
ben jaffe
We don't have apartments.
Do you have a spare bedroom?
suzanne santo
We'll get you a place to stay.
When are we going hunting?
joe rogan
When do you want to?
suzanne santo
All the time.
joe rogan
What do you want to shoot?
ben jaffe
Now.
joe rogan
What do you want to eat?
suzanne santo
It's looking like we're here in November.
I might...
joe rogan
Okay.
Honey, honey.
ben jaffe
Let's talk about this later.
joe rogan
Honey, honey goes pig hunting.
ben jaffe
I'm down with that.
joe rogan
Wild pig hunting.
We have the most likelihood of success, like, of anything that we could do in, like, a close range.
But we have to take you guys.
Have you shot rifles before?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes?
unidentified
Both of you?
suzanne santo
But come on.
unidentified
Yes.
ben jaffe
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Together.
ben jaffe
With two fingers on the same trigger, brother.
I'm just kidding.
That never happens.
joe rogan
It's a band.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
Music!
joe rogan
They're a team!
suzanne santo
My whiskey almost just came out my nose.
ben jaffe
You posted something, and I mistakenly thought it was you.
joe rogan
My friend Cameron Haynes.
ben jaffe
Drawing a bow on an elk.
But it really made me think, the caption underneath it, because it was talking about the practice and the discipline that it took to be able to make that shot and not hit the deer in the fucking haunch so it's crippled for the rest of his life but not dead.
And that gave me a new respect for hunting, honestly, because I was like, I don't want to go out there and shoot something...
joe rogan
Yes.
suzanne santo
You don't trophy hunt, though.
ben jaffe
No, it's not about trophy hunting.
It's about not being a good enough shot or not being skilled enough to be able to kill the animal in a humane way.
joe rogan
Well, it is possible, if you go out hunting, that you could miss.
And Cam has missed.
Cameron Haynes has missed.
Steven Ranello is my friend who's a master hunter.
He has missed.
And they have all wounded animals.
It is a part of the process.
If you deny that part of the process, you're being dishonest.
sure but you need to practice due diligence to make sure that you minimize that in as much as is possible and so i think it's post was about my friend cameron hates is a world-famous bowhunter mean there's very few bow hunters are world-famous but he's a maniac he runs ultra marathons okay regularly runs marathons run two marathons in a weekend he's run like a friday marathon is that the end of the world did could be here it comes what the fuck is that i'm glad to be with you guys Holy shit!
ben jaffe
Happy to be with you guys.
joe rogan
That's a really loud engine.
ben jaffe
In the bunker.
joe rogan
Is that the Ebola plane?
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
suzanne santo
What the fuck was that?
joe rogan
So we're, uh, we're sitting here.
suzanne santo
Holy shit, I thought Redman was doing something weird.
joe rogan
And it, it almost sounded, it's so loud, like a jet, it sounded like, uh, That was right over here.
Like a fucking jet was gonna crash in Canoga Park.
suzanne santo
Hey, if this is it right now, like...
joe rogan
I love you guys, too.
suzanne santo
I love you.
I mean that.
joe rogan
I do.
suzanne santo
This is okay.
joe rogan
We've been talking about meteor impacts on the show lately.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brian Callen and I got obsessed with meteor impacts.
We were on Prince of Wales.
We started talking about all the various meteor impacts and super volcanoes that have happened over the past X amount of years.
Brian's back.
Anything?
ben jaffe
Did you get any info?
What's the intel?
brian redban
We should probably, like, start checking the news sites.
joe rogan
What do you think?
brian redban
There was, like, top gun jets flying...
joe rogan
Oh, well, you know, Obama's in town.
ben jaffe
Still?
I heard some shit this morning, too.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's mayhem.
They came to get mayhem.
suzanne santo
Was he here today as well?
Because he was here yesterday.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Maybe he left today and he's on one of those fucking jets.
I don't know.
Find out.
I'm sad now.
unidentified
Is this going to be like, this is the end here at the podcast?
suzanne santo
Do you have enough snacks?
We're almost out of whiskey!
Oh my god!
joe rogan
If we could get the fucking Taliban in the same room and give them some hash and we all eat it together, we could work this motherfucker out.
suzanne santo
You know, we'll bring the entertainment musical part.
Musical entertainment.
brian redban
What's going to happen is we're going to read, like, it's going to be the end of the world, and we only have, like, five minutes left, and then you two are going to kiss, and it's going to be...
joe rogan
Me and Ben, or me and Suzanne?
brian redban
This is very important.
suzanne santo
If we could do a three-way kiss.
joe rogan
If it's the end of the world, since this is it...
I say three-way kiss.
If this is our last time here on Earth, Brian, will you please say world?
World?
Thank you.
brian redban
World.
joe rogan
He says W-R-L-L-O-D. World.
World.
unidentified
Peace.
joe rogan
I'm like, if it's the end, you could say world once.
I know you know how to say it.
suzanne santo
Guys, that was fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that wasn't good.
suzanne santo
That was weird.
joe rogan
That was so loud.
We're inside of a building.
You know, like a pretty thick ass fucking regular ass.
brian redban
Everyone's outside.
We're going to be okay.
suzanne santo
Are people standing outside?
brian redban
Everyone's outside.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
That's why we should really look at Twitter.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, okay.
suzanne santo
What is it?
Anybody catch anything?
joe rogan
I guarantee it's just some people fucking showing off.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
They're probably jerking off while they're flying really low.
I quit.
I quit this fucking job.
What's the best way?
Zero G jerk.
Jerk off while you're flying, go a thousand miles an hour, fifteen feet off the ground.
Go.
ben jaffe
I couldn't do it, man.
Too much pressure.
suzanne santo
I could do it.
joe rogan
Well, even if you don't come, at least you can say you did it.
ben jaffe
Then what's the point?
joe rogan
I was jerking off.
ben jaffe
Did you really do it then?
joe rogan
Most people won't even question you any further.
I was jerking off in a jet fifteen feet off the ground going a thousand miles an hour.
Was your dick hard?
Why are you asking me that?
Leave me alone.
All you have to do is just start pulling on your dick and technically speaking you were jerking off.
You flaccid.
You don't have to enjoy it.
suzanne santo
I think you have to be out and really going to town to be jerking off.
joe rogan
That's not true though because you don't have a penis.
A man can be three quarters hard, half hard and still have the saddest orgasm of the year.
suzanne santo
You know what?
unidentified
I'll be honest with you.
The joke of shame.
ben jaffe
I know what you're talking about.
suzanne santo
Girls can have fucking mini-orgasms, too.
And it's like, that was okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not shameful.
It's not shameful.
ben jaffe
There's a feeling of guilt, man.
joe rogan
Here's the difference.
If a girl calls up a friend that's a guy, say, a girl calls up a boyfriend and says, I was just masturbating.
I had like a half an orgasm.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
unidentified
The guy will go, I'll come over and take care of that.
Wait, first of all, Joey Diaz, you need to take care of that.
ben jaffe
Sounds like a vocal fryer.
joe rogan
But if a guy calls up a girl he has sex with and he goes, I couldn't even totally get it up.
I just came all over myself.
Gross!
You're fucking gross!
The girl would be like, click.
suzanne santo
No, I'd be like, do you want to watch a movie?
joe rogan
Yeah, she'll be like, do you want to just spoon then?
suzanne santo
Do you want to watch Breaking Bad reruns?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What?
That's so hot.
Say it again.
suzanne santo
Oh, no.
ben jaffe
Up, done, see ya.
joe rogan
Yeah, what?
suzanne santo
Do you guys think we're okay outside?
joe rogan
No.
suzanne santo
Should I call my mom?
joe rogan
Fuck the world.
We were just talking about non-voting.
suzanne santo
We were.
We definitely were.
joe rogan
Being beaten down by this fucking stupid system that's been in place since we were babies.
We didn't ask for this stupid system.
We were born into it.
This goofy-ass system.
ben jaffe
You dummies!
How do we work our way out of it without being involved?
joe rogan
We'll get Ben trying to fix the world.
ben jaffe
Hold on, I have a yellow notepad and I'm going to take notes.
joe rogan
This is what I honestly think.
I think it's happening whether we like it or not.
It just takes a lot of time and it's very confusing.
It's very confusing along the way and we're in the middle of it.
It's a hurricane.
We're in the middle of the storm and we've taken this crazy weather, fucking cows and semis flying through the air.
We've taken it as being normal.
suzanne santo
Did you just quote the movie Twister?
joe rogan
No, I sort of did.
Visually in my mind, I was thinking about a news footage of one of the most impressive news videos I ever saw was this Dallas video, we played on the podcast, of these semi-trailers in a tornado that were flying through the air, just spinning around in the air like they were paper cups, and they were semis.
ben jaffe
That's terrifying.
suzanne santo
That's another testament of the fucking miraculous thing, the ocean.
I got you, dog.
joe rogan
Nature gives zero fucks.
suzanne santo
So I have an idea.
I have an idea.
joe rogan
Please.
ben jaffe
Hold on, I'll write it down.
suzanne santo
About the subject matter that we were discussing.
unidentified
Subject matter.
suzanne santo
Stop writing it down.
So, I think the world is in a crazy place, as we were discussing.
Yes.
And, you know, there are people that are really, really, really fucking smart intellectually, can analyze and overanalyze and just inside out...
joe rogan
Ben's right there.
suzanne santo
He's right there.
ben jaffe
Just call it what it is.
suzanne santo
Just say it.
joe rogan
His name's Ben.
suzanne santo
No, Ben, you're a fucking brilliant motherfucker, and I love you, and I'm so glad you're my partner.
joe rogan
I love you, too.
suzanne santo
We're having a good time.
joe rogan
But...
unidentified
He's got his issues, let's be honest.
I'm not a good listener.
suzanne santo
You're a great listener.
ben jaffe
What are you talking about?
suzanne santo
Stop bringing yourself down.
ben jaffe
Did you say mako penis?
joe rogan
Micro.
ben jaffe
Oh, micro.
joe rogan
It's all about precision, bro.
ben jaffe
Precision.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
suzanne santo
I'm staying out of this one.
joe rogan
Guess what?
There's not a lot of precision involved when you're caught in a sleeve.
What is important...
Is that a foreskin joke?
suzanne santo
Because Ben's Jewish.
joe rogan
No, a vagina being a physical sleeve.
suzanne santo
Sleeve, hood, what's the difference?
joe rogan
That envelops the penis.
That's all I'm saying.
ben jaffe
Hold on, now I really do need to write this down.
The penis goes in the vagina.
joe rogan
It's inside.
Well, you can go outside.
You've got to be really good at it.
You've got to be really good at it.
suzanne santo
The slapping and the crying.
joe rogan
You can't spit in everyone's mouth.
You can't try it on everyone.
You gotta know.
ben jaffe
I'm gonna need to be proven wrong on that.
joe rogan
It's like a terrible joke.
You have to know when you can get away with it.
And you don't know why you know, but you do know you know.
suzanne santo
I'm so glad I didn't tell my mom about this podcast today.
unidentified
I'm so glad.
joe rogan
When a girl sticks her tongue out and you just spit on it, and she just swallows it, and you know, this party is about to get fucking serious.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
When she doesn't even flinch.
I just got intimidated.
You grab it in the back right here and you spit in her mouth.
And she just reaches her head up and tongues you and whoa.
suzanne santo
And then she's like, I know I'm about to get some double penetration.
joe rogan
You can't even believe you spit in her mouth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you can't even believe that she just swallowed it to let you know how gangster she is.
ben jaffe
No, there's a camera in that room.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Ben, why do you gotta go there?
ben jaffe
I don't know.
It's all I need to do.
suzanne santo
Ben, why did you have to take the beauty out of it?
ben jaffe
I just want to capture it.
joe rogan
There's a lot of beauty in spitting in people's mouths.
I saw Tate spit in someone's mouth.
Were you there?
Remember that one?
brian redban
Don Barris gets it almost once a week.
unidentified
I was going to say something really deep and sensitive.
joe rogan
My friend Tate is a complete and total savage.
OG savage.
Original death squad crew.
Tate is an animal.
He was making out with this girl once and she goes spit in my mouth.
He just pulls her hair back and Fucking spits right in front of everybody.
I didn't look around.
suzanne santo
Again!
It's happening again!
ben jaffe
Did we run outside?
joe rogan
Jamie just ran outside.
Jamie, bring your camera.
Brian ran outside too.
suzanne santo
What the fuck is going on?
Is this going to be Red Dawn?
ben jaffe
I think we're pretty close to a naval base.
I don't think this is that big of a deal.
suzanne santo
If this is Red Dawn, I'm so grateful to be where we are.
joe rogan
Here's the problem, white privilege.
We're sitting here in fucking Canoga Park thinking about what's going on.
suzanne santo
Did you just call us white privilege?
joe rogan
Me too.
Me too.
ben jaffe
This fighter jet's going over.
That doesn't have anything to do with race, brother.
joe rogan
Do you think it's Russia?
And it's all going to make sense.
What I'm saying is, we look at war as something that happens in another place.
And we support war.
If we do support war, we never think that it has to come anywhere near us.
We never think that it has to come anywhere near us.
We just don't.
We think that it's happening in Iraq.
It's happening in Afghanistan.
It's been happening there for 12 fucking years.
ben jaffe
More than that.
Thousands of years.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
But with us.
ben jaffe
Yeah, no, I get it.
suzanne santo
What'd you see, Jamie?
brian redban
He's going to make sure it's okay.
joe rogan
Well, he is one of the best investigative reporters in the Los Angeles era.
So if Brian Redman is on the case, he's out there smoking a cigarette.
He's going to come back inside.
unidentified
He's going to go, I was looking.
suzanne santo
He is smoking a cigarette, isn't he?
joe rogan
Of course he is.
suzanne santo
Motherfucker.
joe rogan
Of course he is.
He can't help himself.
He's a junkie.
Poor bastard.
ben jaffe
You don't need to do that, Susan.
joe rogan
Those vape pens don't work.
Do you want to go out there with them and smoke a cigarette?
suzanne santo
No, I don't smoke anymore.
I don't smoke anymore.
And I quit my vape pens.
I found out there was formaldehyde in them.
joe rogan
That might be fucking R.J. Reynolds propaganda.
suzanne santo
Whatever, I feel fine.
I don't smoke them anymore.
I have more energy.
unidentified
You felt bad before?
suzanne santo
No, I definitely felt more like tension.
Look at you.
You know what?
I've been taking the yoga.
Dang it.
unidentified
The yoga.
suzanne santo
I feel so at peace and I'm so happy.
I'm serious.
joe rogan
Yoga's so good.
It's so good.
Whenever I do it, I go, God damn, I should do this more often.
suzanne santo
It's fucking great.
ben jaffe
What kind of yoga do you do?
joe rogan
I do a bunch of different kinds, but I like fucking Bikrams, man.
People talk shit about Bikrams.
ben jaffe
I like calling it hot yoga because apparently, I don't even feel bad saying this, Bikram, the guy who developed this brand, which is a series of poses, and he kind of...
Took for himself as his own.
Is a douche.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
ben jaffe
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
He's just going to give you enlightenment through the head of his penis.
Everybody has a different method.
Some have koans.
Is the sound of one hand clapping any more offensive than him trying to fuck you?
suzanne santo
Speaking of enlightenment.
ben jaffe
I'm going to say yes.
Go ahead and answer that confidently.
joe rogan
But you just said yes.
ben jaffe
Sure.
joe rogan
You said it's more offensive.
ben jaffe
It's more...
joe rogan
The sound of one hand clapping is more offensive.
unidentified
I misspoke.
ben jaffe
You fucked it up.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
ben jaffe
I blew it.
joe rogan
You just sound like a rape apologist right there.
You asshole.
unidentified
Hate.
ben jaffe
Everyone's got their opinion.
joe rogan
White privilege.
Rape apologist.
unidentified
Asshole.
ben jaffe
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Asshole.
ben jaffe
I'm part South American.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Well, at least you're Spaniard.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
I'm thinking native, actually.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
Went there.
joe rogan
A little bit.
suzanne santo
Redemption.
I'm driving.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz always says that about our pal Eddie Bravo.
Eddie Bravo will get a couple of drinks and get a little freaky.
suzanne santo
Eddie Bravo's great.
joe rogan
I love Eddie Bravo.
unidentified
I love that guy.
joe rogan
He's my brother.
But Eddie Bravo, he even adopted the phrase, Joey Diaz called it when the Indian comes out, because South Americans are essentially, like Mexicans especially, are Indians mixed with Spaniards.
Like the Incas?
Yes.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
And Spaniards.
The Incas and the Spaniards.
That's the root of a lot of people from Mexico.
That's why there's like Spaniard, like Oscar de la Hoya looking Mexicans.
And then there's...
ben jaffe
The Oaxacans.
That's more of a...
joe rogan
Well, there's some Mexicans that look very Native American.
Right.
Yeah, but that's what Joey Diaz would say.
The Indian's coming out.
Look at Eddie Bravo, that fucking Indian's coming out.
Because Indians and their notorious issues with alcohol.
suzanne santo
Dude, my...
joe rogan
Dude, you raised your hand like you were.
suzanne santo
Well, my grandmother is half Ojibwa, Chippewa Indian.
joe rogan
Do you get money from the casino?
suzanne santo
No, not the casino, but if I wanted to go to school and live on a reservation, I could receive the benefits.
I know, I'm white as goat cheese, but it's true.
joe rogan
You're half a grandma.
suzanne santo
My Grammy, yeah.
joe rogan
Grandma's half, so mom's a quarter.
suzanne santo
Yeah, so I'm pretty much drunk after two drinks.
I'm fucking wasted.
joe rogan
You're an eighth?
suzanne santo
I'm an eighth.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You get money up to your 16th, right?
suzanne santo
Getting money, that's very complicated.
You have to live on a reservation.
joe rogan
Are you willing?
suzanne santo
No.
At one point I thought about it, but I'm in Los Angeles.
I don't want to move back to Minnesota.
Not that I lived in Minnesota ever, but that's where a lot of my family is from.
unidentified
Is there a reservation here?
joe rogan
Oh, there's a couple of reservations.
suzanne santo
Yeah, there's the casinos.
joe rogan
Some of the casinos are owned by Native Americans.
ben jaffe
Well, yeah, I know that, but I didn't realize it was a reservation this year.
You got a fun fact?
I got a fun fact, too.
unidentified
You go first.
suzanne santo
It's actually an unfun fact, but in the state of California, in the casinos, why do I know this?
Because I like to gamble.
You can't throw dice.
It's illegal to throw dice in the state of California.
So, if you want to play craps, which I love to play, they have a deck of cards and they flip two cards and then you attribute that to...
That's gross!
joe rogan
What, you have to use cards instead of fucking dice?
You can't roll the cards.
suzanne santo
Red man, what's going on?
Are we gonna live?
brian redban
There's just fighter jets everywhere.
suzanne santo
I'm telling you, it's Red Dawn.
Did you lock the door on your way back in?
brian redban
Why don't you look up fighter jets LA? Yeah, there's a lot of people like, hey, we're hearing all these fighter jets, and then in San Francisco there was a couple of hours earlier.
joe rogan
We have to accept the fact that we're doing some creepy shit in other countries, and if it comes back to haunt us...
Look, these people are slowly showing up with Ebola.
The guy in Dallas died.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone else is...
ben jaffe
Spain is a nurse in Spain.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Someone flew...
I mean, but in this country.
I'm not going to Spain.
ben jaffe
Sorry.
unidentified
My fault.
joe rogan
Some woman just came here from...
I think it was Liberia or something like that, and she has...
suzanne santo
In Los Angeles?
joe rogan
Police advise motorists to avoid portions of West Side due to Obama visit.
So it might be that.
unidentified
he's here still so So I gotta say something.
ben jaffe
The power that that dude travels around with.
joe rogan
Well, that position.
If it was Mitt Romney, the same power.
ben jaffe
Sure.
I'm not attributing it to him, but we were talking to a friend.
suzanne santo
Where is Mitt Romney?
ben jaffe
I don't know.
suzanne santo
What's he been doing?
ben jaffe
About it.
joe rogan
He's reading the Mormon Bible.
ben jaffe
Let's talk about that.
unidentified
Fine.
suzanne santo
You know what I think?
ben jaffe
You do know what you think.
joe rogan
You know what he thinks?
You don't, because you didn't say it.
suzanne santo
Actually, most of the time I do, to be honest with you.
We share the same goddamn brain.
joe rogan
If you had to think, what would you think he'd be thinking right now?
suzanne santo
He's like, oh, I want to play guitar.
joe rogan
No, no, he was talking about Obama.
He was talking about Obama wielding power.
What were you going to say?
suzanne santo
No, I was just, you know, Ben, do you want to talk?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was talking to him.
ben jaffe
No, it's okay.
suzanne santo
He's thinking, Suzanne, I want to talk and you interrupted me.
joe rogan
Listen, you guys are just both polite.
That's why this is awkward.
ben jaffe
We're nice people.
joe rogan
If one of you is a bulldog, you just control this conversation.
suzanne santo
There's this mean kid in junior high who used to call me bulldog.
That fucking motherfucker.
ben jaffe
He had a crush on you.
unidentified
Of course he did.
suzanne santo
You know what, but he...
joe rogan
Where's he now?
suzanne santo
Bad game.
Why didn't you develop sooner?
joe rogan
Well, here's what you need to learn about a lot of dudes.
Nobody teaches us how to talk to girls.
We just sort of have to figure it out when we're 13. And we do a terrible job for the first 7 or 14 years of our lives.
And then somewhere around 30, we slowly start to get it together.
suzanne santo
That's why a lot of girls date older guys, and then you get into trouble.
joe rogan
Why were you better then?
What was your approach?
ben jaffe
It's what I was talking about with writing before earlier.
I think you just let it flow.
unidentified
Oh, you let it flow back then.
ben jaffe
I wasn't too worried about it.
joe rogan
Now you calculate it.
Now you're looking for Mrs. Ben.
ben jaffe
No, I'm being okay.
I'm getting better.
joe rogan
Better?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
How bad were you at your worst?
When you're like, I've hit rock bottom.
ben jaffe
Probably 24, 25. What were you doing back then?
It's just kind of like an air of desperation in everything I said.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so sad.
suzanne santo
Really?
ben jaffe
Yeah, sure.
I've never had like the single years.
You know what I mean?
I've always been like the girlfriend.
joe rogan
One girlfriend, next girlfriend.
Yeah.
The single years are great if you're successful.
But if you're unsuccessful, it's horrible and lonely.
It can be very sad.
suzanne santo
Well, and there's also that sort of, like, stigma of, like, I'm the man.
I need to take the lady out and impress her.
But it's like, I've been sleeping on my friend's couch for two months.
Do you want to go out?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's also that thing that you realize, like, when you're really struggling as an artist, I guess, as a musician.
Definitely as a comedian, it's very similar.
But you don't, you know, you know.
You don't have any money, you don't have nothing.
ben jaffe
You have pure wits.
suzanne santo
I don't believe in that shit, though.
ben jaffe
That could go a long way.
suzanne santo
I think that if wherever you're at and who you are and where you're going is up to whatever, I don't fucking know.
Allah?
The ether.
unidentified
The ether?
joe rogan
Can we go with Buddha?
suzanne santo
Stop playing guitar.
joe rogan
Can we say Buddha?
suzanne santo
Yeah, sure.
unidentified
Buddha.
suzanne santo
But, you know, when you meet somebody that's like, I think you're fucking awesome.
I don't care that you're not where you want to be financially or professionally.
I think you're awesome.
joe rogan
What you need to do is run a background check on that motherfucker and find out if he's just using you for your apartment.
suzanne santo
Definitely.
When was the last time?
joe rogan
How come you never go home, man?
Where's your clothes?
unidentified
You didn't even have your own toothbrush, you fucking weirdo.
joe rogan
You're wearing my deodorant.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
suzanne santo
Man, I dated two guys that wore women's deodorant.
brian redban
I like it.
It smells like peaches.
suzanne santo
But I wear men's deodorant, so take that for what it's worth.
joe rogan
What kind of men's deodorant do you wear?
suzanne santo
I wear Dove.
Actually, it's in my purse.
joe rogan
Brian Callen just told me about some natural...
unidentified
I love the way it smells.
suzanne santo
It's so clean.
joe rogan
Brian Callen just told me about some natural deodorant that I have to try.
He said it's like an aloe vera-based deodorant that really works.
It's a natural deodorant.
And he's the first one to tell you that natural deodorants are most...
Most of the time they're bullshit.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
brian redban
They don't last long usually.
It's usually they last a couple hours, but it depends how smelly you are.
joe rogan
I'm a stinky motherfucker.
unidentified
Yeah, you are.
brian redban
Do you want some deodorant?
suzanne santo
I've got some right here.
Strong enough for a man, made for men.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not that guy.
Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman?
No.
No, if I put it on, there's going to be problems.
suzanne santo
Okay.
ben jaffe
What type of problems, Joe?
joe rogan
Like my...
suzanne santo
Like your pit hair is going to get stuck in my deodorant.
joe rogan
My smell will go to war with that wimpy-ass fucking flowery foodie bullshit.
suzanne santo
I said I wear men's deodorant.
joe rogan
No, I understand, but...
unidentified
Yeah, I got your back.
joe rogan
Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman?
Was that like sure?
unidentified
What was that?
joe rogan
Secret.
Secret.
unidentified
It's strong enough for a man, but it's made for a woman.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny how, like, one advertising slogan like that can just fucking give a hoot, don't pollute?
ben jaffe
That's stuck.
suzanne santo
Skittles, like, taste the rainbow.
unidentified
Ooh.
It's great!
joe rogan
It's the real thing.
Coke.
The real thing.
ben jaffe
Coke's the real thing.
suzanne santo
It'll clean your car battery.
That's for sure.
joe rogan
What?
Yeah.
ben jaffe
I had a Coca-Cola yesterday, which I hadn't had years.
suzanne santo
You had a few sips, and I had the other few sips.
ben jaffe
You drained the whole thing when you weren't there.
suzanne santo
No, you didn't, because I had a...
Okay.
How do you feel about yourself as a man?
ben jaffe
Kind of bad.
Honestly, I wasn't into it.
joe rogan
When we find out that some people drink like eight or nine of those in a day.
suzanne santo
That's crazy.
ben jaffe
That is horrifying.
suzanne santo
Or like, you know, when we're on the road, you see truckers come in with like a fucking big gulps, like the whole thing, and they'll fill the whole thing up with Mountain Dew, and the whole time I'm like, oh my god, cancer.
Like, I just think about that.
unidentified
It's so bad for you.
I was driving across the country recently, and I looked at some truckers.
suzanne santo
Sorry, I love everybody.
Don't drink that shit.
Just drink water, and then drink beer later, the good stuff.
joe rogan
I've been saying that for years.
ben jaffe
I was looking at the back of some trucker's truck, and they were advertising four more drivers, and they said 50 cents a mile or something.
And the average is 6,000 miles.
You can't exceed a certain mileage limit.
And I realize what these dudes are doing, because sometimes I actually think about this, because we drive so much, and I'm like, if this doesn't work out, what am I qualified to do?
Music is what I meant.
I could be a truck driver, honestly, because I've driven so fucking much.
Sometimes I think about this.
unidentified
You don't fucking believe that.
ben jaffe
There's just thoughts that come into my head.
joe rogan
Why do you think about that?
unidentified
You masochist.
ben jaffe
Why do I think about that?
I don't know, just like a residual, hey man, you got like a fear, you know, residual fear from saying, okay, you're confronting something.
suzanne santo
Yeah, I'm sorry I called you a masochist.
unidentified
Yeah, no, I think it's a very natural thing, you know what I mean?
ben jaffe
I'm going into a risky thing.
suzanne santo
You know what, you could always come work for my, we could sell pizza together.
unidentified
That's the truth.
suzanne santo
I always think about that.
Like, oh shit, if this doesn't work, we'll move back to Cleveland and work at Santos Pizza and Pasta.
ben jaffe
That's part of the reason I've invested in you so much because I know there's a backup contingency.
unidentified
Look, I support you.
joe rogan
Honey Honey Band.
Follow them on Twitter and Instagram.
Honey Honey Band.
ben jaffe
Don't stop talking.
joe rogan
They want you to love them.
suzanne santo
Hey, speaking of advertisements...
ben jaffe
Let's just talk about what you want to talk about.
unidentified
It's fine.
suzanne santo
We should talk about our tour.
joe rogan
Are you guys battling it out right now?
unidentified
This is it, dude.
suzanne santo
If this were...
Is your tour going out right now?
Joe, you don't even know.
joe rogan
Does it get ugly?
ben jaffe
It gets fucking real, man.
suzanne santo
It gets fucking real.
joe rogan
I don't want to hear that.
suzanne santo
But that's real life.
unidentified
That's natural.
That's natural.
joe rogan
But I want to think that you guys are the way you are when you're here all the time.
I want to think that you are the way everybody was on Cheers and they sat around the bar.
I don't want to think that anybody got on prescription antidepressants.
unidentified
Where's that guy?
ben jaffe
That's Taxi.
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
Jesus fucking Christ.
ben jaffe
Go watch the Jets outside.
unidentified
Woody Harrelson!
joe rogan
Woody Harrelson was in Cheers!
unidentified
I was born in 1985. Wait, I thought he was in Cheers.
brian redban
No, his wife was in Cheers.
suzanne santo
Goddammit, thank you.
joe rogan
You were born in 1985?
suzanne santo
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
That's when I graduated from high school.
I was 17. You were a baby.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
And I was like, hi, baby.
suzanne santo
I turned 30 in January.
joe rogan
Hi, little baby.
Oh, my God.
ben jaffe
Are you scared?
Yeah, we're pre-30, man.
suzanne santo
Now I'm excited.
joe rogan
You're both beautiful.
ben jaffe
Hey, thanks, babe.
suzanne santo
Thanks, Jeff.
joe rogan
Looking good.
ben jaffe
I think you do, too, honestly.
suzanne santo
Thank you, sweet darling.
ben jaffe
Thank you very much.
You're very symmetrical.
joe rogan
Thank you.
I feel symmetrical.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
In an odd way.
My geometry's off, though.
suzanne santo
What do you mean?
ben jaffe
Can I ask you?
suzanne santo
You're a beautiful specimen of a man.
ben jaffe
Can I completely fucking take a left-hand turn here?
This is something, because I think of questions in my life, and honestly, you're the only dude I can think of that might answer them.
joe rogan
Here comes some gay shit.
suzanne santo
Again.
ben jaffe
You know what?
Now you've made me timid.
I'm going to take a second.
I thought we were open here.
suzanne santo
We don't know if the world's going to end in the next 20 minutes.
ben jaffe
You know a lot about this shit.
joe rogan
Well, we have enough weed if it ends in the next 20 minutes.
If it goes more than an hour, we're going to have to go outside.
suzanne santo
Okay, I want to be Seth Rogen's character.
joe rogan
We're going to have to call speed weed.
suzanne santo
And this is the end.
joe rogan
Okay.
Oh, that was a great movie.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that movie was funny.
unidentified
I want to go up into the light.
joe rogan
It's a rated movie, right?
When the demons come.
Fucking, what's his name?
Eastbound and Down?
Danny McBride?
suzanne santo
Danny McBride.
joe rogan
He's the man.
He's the man.
He's one of my favorite people ever.
Love that guy.
suzanne santo
You gotta get him on the podcast.
joe rogan
I would love to.
He probably wouldn't do it, but if he did, I'd hug him.
suzanne santo
Would you kiss him on the mouth?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Is that what's all it took to get him on the podcast?
ben jaffe
Is this a status thing so it begins?
joe rogan
No, I love him.
I'd kiss you on the mouth.
If I had to kiss you on the mouth to get you back on the podcast, I'd kiss you on the mouth.
ben jaffe
Can I ask my fucking question?
What's your question?
I just have a weed question.
joe rogan
I might bite your lower lip just as a weed question.
suzanne santo
Ben's gonna become derailed.
What's your question?
unidentified
I already am.
joe rogan
He's a little...
Did you guys argue before you got here?
Is this what's going on?
suzanne santo
No, today was a really good day.
joe rogan
Like Ice Cube?
unidentified
Good day?
joe rogan
Or like first day on Celexa.
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
I don't even care about my question anymore.
unidentified
What was your question, brother?
ben jaffe
It's just about weed.
So I used to smoke a ton of weed.
Just too much weed.
joe rogan
What happened, pussy?
ben jaffe
You're not even 30. No, I can't.
unidentified
I hit the wall.
ben jaffe
I don't feel like this is a safe space.
joe rogan
I got to lie!
ben jaffe
This doesn't feel like a safe space anymore.
joe rogan
I'm confused.
Am I on a planet?
suzanne santo
Hey guys, Ben is in a safe space.
ben jaffe
Stick up for me.
unidentified
I will.
joe rogan
Sort of in a safe space.
There's a werewolf right out that door.
ben jaffe
You know what doesn't help?
suzanne santo
I know, and I'll fucking beat the shit out of that werewolf.
ben jaffe
I love you so much.
You know what doesn't help?
A lot when...
God, am I being misogynistic?
When I'm struggling and you come up and save me.
It's kind of like, oh.
suzanne santo
Yeah, you are being misogynistic.
unidentified
No, that's a little misogynistic.
joe rogan
No, Suzanne was a man.
If you were Sam instead of Suzanne, and a man had to save you every time you fucking hit the wall, then the dream would have come down.
He'd be like, what the fuck?
suzanne santo
First of all, I think you need to let go of that.
We're partners, so we take care of each other.
Still haven't asked my question.
And I know you can answer your question, but you are being misogynistic.
If I were a dude and I was like, yo, bro, my fucking dude's got something to say.
joe rogan
Did you guys know that Brody Stevens is 84% gay?
ben jaffe
Who's Brody Stevens?
suzanne santo
I don't know who that is either.
unidentified
Is that your dad?
joe rogan
Inside joke.
ben jaffe
Who's Brody Stevens?
joe rogan
He might as well be.
I'd love him like a father.
unidentified
What's your question?
suzanne santo
Ben, what's your question?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
ben jaffe
So I didn't smoke weed for a while and I do it every once in a while.
And I feel like I get a cognitive boost when I do it.
Am I crazy?
joe rogan
No.
ben jaffe
What is that?
What element of marijuana slash THC is doing that?
joe rogan
Well...
suzanne santo
It's like cocaine.
P.S. There's a rule.
Ben can't smoke weed when we're working because he's like, you want to do this?
unidentified
You want to do that?
ben jaffe
Oh, that's a great fucking idea.
Just to frame the situation, if we have to do an all-night drive, I'll smoke because I can't fall asleep.
Literally, if I smoke, it would be about five hours before I go to sleep.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine it's because the way your body reacts to cannabis is that your body, your creativity starts to fire up.
And your mind starts to embrace different possibilities than you would do if you were sober.
It relaxes your inhibitions a little and lets you pursue ideas that maybe because of the fact that you're in this precarious position in your career, in your life, and that you're constantly filled with angst like most 30-year-old men.
29. Fuck, I'm 47. I'm filled with it.
suzanne santo
No, you're not.
joe rogan
Yes, I'm 47. What the fuck, Joe?
ben jaffe
Wow, you guys fucking did it.
But Red Band's 40. Yeah.
You got some youthful motherfuckers.
joe rogan
But we don't work.
ben jaffe
Oh, right.
joe rogan
We don't have real jobs.
suzanne santo
Yes, you do.
ben jaffe
No, they don't.
No, they don't.
joe rogan
I'm telling you.
I'm telling you I don't.
suzanne santo
What's a real job?
Do you make a living?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Trust me.
A real job is doing something you don't want to do, but you do it anyway.
We don't have real jobs.
Brian, do you have a real job?
suzanne santo
Look, I was getting literal.
joe rogan
Brian doesn't have a real job.
I don't have a real job.
There's no real jobs here.
There's no real jobs.
That's a big part of aging is to regret and despair.
brian redban
You're not in the weeds anymore.
You're smoking weeds.
joe rogan
Perfectly said.
unidentified
That's the perfect way to say it.
joe rogan
My point being, everybody who smokes weed, who doesn't smoke it very often, it has a big impact on you.
Marijuana is one of those things where it hits you when you don't do it a lot.
It hits you harder, faster, and more profoundly.
Because you have these things in your brain, allegedly, apparently, from what I've read, Called cannabinoid receptors that are literally designed to accept the influence of cannabis.
And that's what they're there for.
And it comes from a just gigantic history of human beings consuming cannabis.
These cannabinoid receptors are also fired, they believe, when people do long-distance running, like jogging.
People say they get that runner's high.
It has a similar sort of an effect.
suzanne santo
So endorphins, you mean?
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of different things that happen inside the mind.
There's different neurotransmitters that get activated.
There's dopamine and serotonin.
A lot of those are exercise related.
But a lot of those are also related to the consumption of psychedelic plants.
And marijuana is a big one.
It's a giant part.
See, we have this fucking idea that everything that is the way it is from the time that we've been alive and our parents have been alive and the fucking just say no to drugs from the The Reagan administration was here, that this is the way the world has always been.
It's not.
The world has been about consuming cannabis for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
But we're growing up in a society where fucking financial interests have figured out a way to control the consumption of gigantic amounts of people, the consumption of one of the most fantastic plants the world has ever known.
So, when you do get a hold of one, and it It fires you up and you start thinking about shit and you're flying through space and you have all these ideas.
unidentified
What it is is because it's awesome.
joe rogan
That's why.
That's the only reason.
Why you smoke it and you just can't shut the fuck up because you're driving across country?
Those are thoughts that you're caging up in your mind.
Like you've got a pinata of ideas.
And you come along with a hatchet.
And the hatchet, it's in the shape of a joint.
And you fire up that joint and it just...
Shop away at that stupid fucking fake elephant.
And candy comes pouring out.
And that candy is these ideas that you've been sort of containing in your mind and storing up and processing with no outlet.
And just backing up.
ben jaffe
Chemically, what's doing that?
joe rogan
I'm obviously not a neuroscientist.
ben jaffe
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
And I probably have brain damage.
So what you should do, if I would suggest, if I wasn't me, I would say, don't listen to that dude.
He's probably got a couple good ideas that he memorized from some website.
But everything else is most likely nonsense.
So what you should do is Google.
Google the marijuana's effects on the mind.
And just...
There's a lot of bullshit out there.
suzanne santo
P.S. I think it affects everyone very differently.
Which is also strange.
The same weed that we could smoke together.
joe rogan
Is it though?
Because that's everything.
It's peanuts.
Some people eat fish.
Some people eat shellfish and they die.
ben jaffe
But I think that's a minority.
That's a tiny minority.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Come on.
No, it's not a minority.
It's a minority in terms of it's less than 100% of the population.
It's less than 50%.
It's probably less than 10% of people who are allergic to like Whatever, cats.
There's people that'll die if they're in a room filled with cats.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
Biodiversity's real.
suzanne santo
Well, it's like you could drink a glass of wine and be fine.
You could drink a glass of vodka and be a fucking lunatic.
unidentified
Yeah, but nobody...
suzanne santo
The way that your body receives these things is complex and, you know...
joe rogan
But that's just alcohol by volume.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
A glass of wine only has a certain amount.
A glass of vodka has much more.
unidentified
Yeah.
suzanne santo
I was just basically talking about what you were just saying is that every person is different.
Everything affects them differently.
joe rogan
Definitely.
suzanne santo
I'm really sensitive to weed.
joe rogan
Do you get high just being in this room?
suzanne santo
I'm fucking off my rocker right now.
Also, I'm kind of drunk.
unidentified
Let's find out.
suzanne santo
I'm kind of drunk.
It's hard to tell.
unidentified
I'm a little drunk.
ben jaffe
Do you guys want to hear my stone chord?
joe rogan
Yes.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
But I have to pee.
joe rogan
Go pee.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Whenever I talk about being stoned, I go like this.
unidentified
I'll see you later Let's have the bands back together Let's have the bands back together In the sunshine of your life.
ben jaffe
That's beautiful, man.
That is beautiful.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think it affects you, to answer your question, in all earnestness.
I think it's just because you don't do it a lot.
ben jaffe
Okay, I can accept that.
But I just got curious.
joe rogan
Well, when I take time off, it does that.
ben jaffe
Okay.
I'm just curious about what specific process is happening to make me feel like, holy shit, I actually have access to all these different thought patterns now.
You know, I don't...
unidentified
Let me give you some advice, my friend.
ben jaffe
Yes, yes, please tell me.
joe rogan
When a hard-on comes, don't question how I got my dick so hard.
Just accept the fact that your penis is in fact ready.
Don't think of pills.
ben jaffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Look, your body is flowing in a wash of chemicals.
Is it your fault that the baby Jesus did not bless you with the proper dick chemicals?
unidentified
No, it is not.
ben jaffe
I just gotta accept it.
I gotta live with what I got.
joe rogan
You don't have to live with what you got.
ben jaffe
What are you talking about?
What's my choice?
joe rogan
Because people are smarter than the creator.
People have figured Viagra.
You know, the creator said, listen, I want you to hit about 52, 53, and you dick's gonna punch out.
Dick's going to go, that's about it.
ben jaffe
I just got to say this.
My dad was 63 when he had me.
joe rogan
Do you watch him fuck?
ben jaffe
Every time.
joe rogan
Every time.
He probably takes...
ben jaffe
Every single time.
joe rogan
He probably takes bamboo and ties it to his dick and stretches it out to keep it hard.
Tapes it in place.
ben jaffe
Thank you for saying that beautiful thing.
brian redban
When you watch him, do you just look back at it?
joe rogan
Like, hate it?
ben jaffe
It's kind of like I'm seeing my own future.
joe rogan
Duct tape and kite string.
He just keeps his cock.
ben jaffe
No, but I'm serious.
I'm proud of my dad about this, honestly, because I have a very old dad.
My dad's super fucking old.
joe rogan
How old's he now?
ben jaffe
Guess.
80. Nope.
joe rogan
1,000.
ben jaffe
Almost.
unidentified
92. 92. 93. Oh my god, how's he doing?
ben jaffe
He just broke his hip.
But he's okay.
He's doing great, man, because he's keeping...
He has a seriously...
He is all the way there.
He's with you.
You know what I mean?
And he's keeping the attitude.
He recognizes that if he gets depressed, which is totally reasonable, the fact that if he falls down, which is what happened, he tripped, fell down, and fucking broke the ball off of his hip.
Just by falling down.
His bones are that brittle.
But he knows that if he accepts that as, I don't know, as serious as some people might, he's done.
He's literally done.
So he's with it, man.
He's positive.
He's feeling good.
joe rogan
That's all of our future.
I mean, we're all going to be 93 if we don't get hit in the head by a fucking meteor or if those jets don't mean business.
ben jaffe
This could be the last day.
I would have enjoyed it.
joe rogan
That's one of the big problems of being a person, is that we all have the ability to understand that we're finite.
We all know it, we rationalize it, we have it in our head, but it never sort of reaches our immediate consciousness.
It always sort of sits in the periphery as some future possibility.
ben jaffe
You know what I think is the trickling down of that?
Mindset is us looking at our times as unique in terms of how desperate things are or how close we are to the edge of something.
The idea that, okay, this is it.
Look at all this chaos in the world.
I think it's always been like that.
But our way of communicating with mortality is saying, no, this time is unique.
joe rogan
Well, this time is unique, though.
ben jaffe
Well, of course it's unique in the sense that the events that are happening now have never happened before.
joe rogan
I think that's the number one draw of it.
I mean, it's nice to be nostalgic and look at it in relationship to the times that were unique in the 70s and the 60s and the 40s.
Every time has been the pinnacle of human interaction.
ben jaffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like, at this moment right now, 2014, we are at the front of the line.
Of what it is to be a person.
We really are.
We're at the front.
We're at the front with phones.
We're at the front with social media.
unidentified
We've evolved.
joe rogan
With this.
This is fucking crazy.
With podcasts.
What we're doing right now.
The ability to talk to people.
Like, do you really be Ben?
Do you really be Suzanne?
Do you really be me?
Brian is sort of him.
But even he is confused as to what the fuck is going on.
ben jaffe
Brian, you look fucking amazing, dude.
You look fucking great.
We just learned that Brian's 40 years old.
joe rogan
He's a sexy bitch!
ben jaffe
Skin like a newborn, honestly.
joe rogan
Look at his mustache.
ben jaffe
Got all his hair, keeping the weight off.
joe rogan
He's got a good woman in his life.
suzanne santo
Should go to...
Dinner.
joe rogan
He doesn't have a job.
I have a show after this.
I'm doing the Ice House in Pasadena, and then I'm doing the improv.
ben jaffe
Does this mean we're not hanging out after?
joe rogan
We're hanging out.
suzanne santo
Can I backtrack for one second?
What you just said, Ben, calm down.
ben jaffe
Sorry.
joe rogan
We live in the same town.
suzanne santo
What you were just saying about where we're at right now evolved, and we're on this podcast, and we're speaking in our truth, in our own way.
That gives me hope.
Because all of the sort of sanitized media and the things that you are given on a regular basis and the information that's coming through, I'm always doubtful.
I'm always weary and nervous.
I just don't believe it.
I mean, I'm sure there's some actual...
You know, reality to it, but I think there's always an agenda with major media market and whatever.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
suzanne santo
We're talking about different things here.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
suzanne santo
But as far as, you know, you were talking about like the current state of like our mortality and, and, you know, our, our visual of like, Ooh, it's really bad or it's how, how it is.
I think that...
The way that we perceive the world now, you have options.
And options like podcasts or really learning about someone else's viewpoint from their, like right out of the horse's mouth on a podcast that's not funded by, you know, a major oil company or something.
unidentified
Right.
suzanne santo
That's where I feel a little more comfort.
Right.
Am I confusing anybody?
ben jaffe
No, no.
joe rogan
We're having this conversation.
We're friends.
It doesn't matter.
We're doing a different thing than we would be doing if we were just hanging out.
suzanne santo
Sure.
joe rogan
Because we know that people are listening.
So we're doing this different thing where we're trying to be really clear.
You're doing a great job of trying not to talk over Suzanne.
suzanne santo
I'm not good at that.
unidentified
It's okay.
joe rogan
I'm working on it.
What we're doing is there's no other influences other than us.
We know what we're doing.
We have this idea that, okay, we're putting out something that people are going to receive and it's going to be entertaining.
ben jaffe
And we have our minor biases.
We're in a band.
We sound a record deal and all this shit, but we're not – I understand what you're saying.
I think I'm just trying to be super literalist.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
No, I don't even think it's that.
We do this all the time.
It's a weird form of expression, right?
It's a weird form of expression where you're talking, but you also know that people are listening.
But the beautiful thing is...
There's no interruptions, and no one is telling you yes or no.
Like, there's no publicist that's standing over your shoulder saying this is bad for your career.
There's no bean counter who's saying, listen, Ben, if you admit to gay thoughts and wanting to kiss Brian Redman on the mouth because of his beautiful mustache, this is going to cost us 14 records an hour.
ben jaffe
Worth it.
Worth every penny, babe.
Look at that mouth.
unidentified
Come on.
We'll take that.
joe rogan
I mean, they might fucking break it.
suzanne santo
I don't even see that as a bad thing.
That's not even a sacrifice.
joe rogan
Yeah, those 14 people are cunts.
ben jaffe
Yeah, there's no free lunches.
unidentified
Cunty fucking shitty.
suzanne santo
Don't ever lose that cunty charm.
ben jaffe
Let me express my love.
joe rogan
Never losing my cunty charm or my fucking fanny pack.
Both of those things stay to the To the grave.
ben jaffe
You have a fanny pack, Joe?
joe rogan
Do I sell them?
Yes, I do.
Have I run out of them?
Yes.
Are you selling coffee?
ben jaffe
Are you selling coffee?
joe rogan
No, this is my buddy.
This is Tate.
No interest in this business.
suzanne santo
I want a goddamn fanny pack.
joe rogan
I mean, other than friendship interest.
No financial interest.
ben jaffe
But we talked last time about bulletproof coffee.
joe rogan
Yeah, Caveman Coffee is my friend Tate and my friend Keith Jardine.
They have this company that they sell.
Single source coffee from this farm.
Is it Colombia or Nicaragua?
I think it's, I want to say Columbia, but it's just the fucking salt of the earth.
Those dudes are, I love Keith, and Tate is my brother, so I wear this shirt.
ben jaffe
It's a good looking shirt.
joe rogan
Out of respect!
Yeah, word.
Respect!
suzanne santo
Wait, where's your show?
Can we go to your show later?
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to come?
Yeah, I've got the Ice House at- In Pasadena?
Yeah, at 8, and then I'm at the Improv 10 o'clock show tonight.
unidentified
Holy shit!
ben jaffe
Man, you work!
joe rogan
Well, I'm working on some new shit, so I've got to bang out some new jokes.
My Comedy Central special airs November 21st, so I'm in this weird scramble, trying to reconstruct the scaffolding of my next hour.
Right now, it's really exciting.
suzanne santo
We can't wait to see it.
We're very excited.
ben jaffe
Thank you so much.
Man, thank you for putting our song in it.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
ben jaffe
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No.
Of course I did.
I picked it.
unidentified
Punk'd it.
joe rogan
I love that song.
Yeah, the beginning trailer is me asleep in a field in the mountains of Colorado, and your song is playing in the background.
And I run to the...
unidentified
Oh, my God.
ben jaffe
Thank you so much.
suzanne santo
We're going to be in Denver next week.
joe rogan
Oh, snappa.
ben jaffe
You hired it.
joe rogan
Where are you guys at?
ben jaffe
We're going to be in Aspen.
suzanne santo
We're going to play in the Larimer Lounge in Denver.
unidentified
Oh, sweet.
joe rogan
And then Beaver Creek, which is...
Oh, shit.
Beaver Creek.
suzanne santo
We're going to Texas.
We're going to New Mexico.
joe rogan
Albuquerque!
unidentified
Dallas!
suzanne santo
We're going to Louisiana.
joe rogan
Monroe!
You ain't fucking around!
You're going to Monroe!
suzanne santo
Hey, y'all.
We end in California here in Los Angeles on November 1st.
joe rogan
What is in California?
What is it?
suzanne santo
Our last show of the tour.
Do you want to come?
joe rogan
If I'm here...
Hold on.
November 1st?
Hold on.
suzanne santo
You want to party?
unidentified
Hold on.
suzanne santo
It's a Saturday.
joe rogan
Listen, we've got to be really careful.
unidentified
It's a fun day.
brian redban
Day after Halloween.
unidentified
I know.
suzanne santo
So you have to take your...
Your monkey suit off.
joe rogan
What time is it?
My monkey suit?
You mean my chest hair?
ben jaffe
No.
joe rogan
You're telling me to shave?
suzanne santo
Never.
Not for a second.
joe rogan
I don't want subtlety.
suzanne santo
No.
joe rogan
I want directions.
November 1st.
suzanne santo
We want you exactly as you are.
joe rogan
I want you...
Oh, sorry.
I'm going to be in...
suzanne santo
Stop it, Joe.
unidentified
British Columbia.
suzanne santo
Stop breaking our hearts.
joe rogan
I'm hunting.
suzanne santo
Hey, we should...
unidentified
Biscuits.
suzanne santo
We should go hunting.
We should also do another show together because that would be really fun.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
I mean, we did the one December 21st, 2012. That was fucking awesome.
That was like almost two years ago.
suzanne santo
I was so excited because Bill Burr was backstage and I just love him so much.
joe rogan
I love him so much too.
He came down to hang out with us.
suzanne santo
He's great.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He's a sweet guy, too.
He's a really, really, genuinely good guy.
For comics, to see other comics that are really supportive and friendly is so important.
So he just showed up to hang out with me and Joey and Duncan.
suzanne santo
That's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
And you guys.
suzanne santo
You didn't want to hang out with us.
ben jaffe
Do you like him?
joe rogan
I don't know him personally.
ben jaffe
I like his podcast, man.
joe rogan
I think it's cool.
I hear good things, but I don't know him too much.
I don't hang out with him.
suzanne santo
Maybe do a double podcast.
joe rogan
Whatever, whatever.
Whatever, whatever.
If you want to do it two years after the end of the world show, that would be fucking pretty badass.
suzanne santo
Bring it on.
unidentified
We should do that.
ben jaffe
Just to prove that we're still alive.
joe rogan
Two years.
Like, Mayans were wrong.
X 24 months.
suzanne santo
Still here.
Still here.
Although, we don't know because those fucking fighter jets that just went overhead.
What's going to happen?
joe rogan
Somebody's going to die.
I'm not scared.
Eventually, they're going to run out of gas.
They're going to have to land.
People will overwhelm them with slingshots.
Yeah.
I know.
If the world ended and we were right here, it would be cool.
ben jaffe
Joe, with all of your adventures that you go on, space travel, is that on the docket?
joe rogan
Put some fucking ice and whiskey in that glass.
Let's talk about this shit.
This is what I think.
I'm available for space travel about a decade into successful space travel for civilians.
Meaning, once Richard Branson has hit the 2029 mark, and pretty much no one's dying anymore.
ben jaffe
The singularity would have come at that point.
suzanne santo
That's good.
Let them get all the kinks out.
You know what I mean?
Iron that shit out.
joe rogan
Let those over-eager motherfuckers...
ben jaffe
You don't want to be on the ship that doesn't make it.
Remember that?
suzanne santo
Lance Bass?
joe rogan
He signed up early.
suzanne santo
He's all about NASA, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, how about the people?
There's over 100,000 people that have signed up as potential people to live on Mars.
Be the first people to move to Mars.
suzanne santo
Did someone just growl?
joe rogan
No, he made a noise.
suzanne santo
That's fucking weird.
How do you do that?
ben jaffe
You just breathe in?
suzanne santo
Are you an alien?
joe rogan
I think he has a male face.
And it makes different noises.
unidentified
That'll do it.
suzanne santo
Please stop.
I'm so scared.
ben jaffe
Who needs pills, Brian?
joe rogan
Could you imagine if you moved to Mars and you found a fucking sign?
You were digging, like trying to plant tomatoes.
suzanne santo
I think about it all the time.
joe rogan
A sign that said, get the fuck out of here, quick.
unidentified
What?
suzanne santo
Do you guys remember that movie with Ice Cube and it was about like Mars, fuck, what was it called?
unidentified
Friday?
suzanne santo
It was a horror film and people die.
It's very dark.
joe rogan
Oh, it was a John Carpenter movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that.
suzanne santo
I remember seeing that when I was a young teenager.
joe rogan
God, I don't remember too much about that, but it was some Mars movie.
suzanne santo
Yeah, well, it kind of had like a zombie feel to it, which I just don't like.
joe rogan
The idea of Mars, to me, is like living in the shittiest neighborhood of all time.
There's no plants.
There's no life.
suzanne santo
Bad air quality.
joe rogan
You can't go outside and even breathe the air.
You're relying on human inventions to keep oxygen.
suzanne santo
You've been wearing the same shirt for two weeks.
joe rogan
How about the rest of your life, bitch?
suzanne santo
Okay, fine.
Don't call me...
joe rogan
Not you.
The person on the island of Mars itself.
You know, the really scary thing about Mars is when they keep finding all this water on it.
They keep finding all these, like, former rivers and former lakes.
And it makes you...
It really cements in your head that, like, Earth could be just like that one day.
Like, we could get hit with...
Not like what killed all the dinosaurs, but something fucking crazier.
We can get hit with some...
Instead of five miles wide...
Well, yeah, that can happen.
Yeah.
Hypernovas, like in a nearby galaxy, just cooks everything.
And sometimes, asteroidal impacts, planets collide, and the fucking entire atmosphere of the planet changes.
It's not just common, it's the standard.
Every fucking planet, if you look at the moon, if you look at Earth, everything's littered with impacts.
Every planet we've ever found, littered with asteroidal impacts.
suzanne santo
People are actually robots.
unidentified
Just kidding.
ben jaffe
Do you think that we have the technological capacity to prevent that kind of thing?
Because we'd know it was coming at this point.
Or at least there's a good chance of it.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
ben jaffe
Tell me.
joe rogan
Everything other than what is absolutely positive that we can do, whether it's air travel, whether it's travel into space, space stations, is essentially theoretical.
Unless we've done it, they don't know.
We can do it.
They assume that we can get away with going to Mars.
But it could very well be that they get out into deep space and they find out that the magnetosphere and the atmosphere of the Earth is protecting us in ways from long trips Special risks, especially radiation, asteroids, micrometeors.
What, sir?
You get your hands up?
unidentified
Yes.
suzanne santo
Yes, Ben.
joe rogan
Ben from Honey Honey.
ben jaffe
What is the magnetosphere?
joe rogan
Well, there's a surface of the Earth, right?
You've got your dirt, you've got your water, you've got what you can touch.
And then above it, you have various layers of gases.
You have oxygen, you have the magnetosphere, you have an ozone.
There's a bunch of things that surround the Earth.
ben jaffe
So the magnetosphere is one of the layers of the Earth?
joe rogan
I would do a piss-poor job of describing it because obviously my education is piss-poor.
But essentially what's going on is you have the atmosphere of the planet and it goes from, say, like one inch, you know, like touching the ground to, you know, X amount of miles up in the sky until we essentially start calling it space.
And then from there on you have the Van Allen radiation belts which engulf the Earth, these radiation belts which, you know, are like a donut-shaped Like, band of radiation that encircles the Earth.
And then, outside of that, you have deep space.
And there's no protection out there.
All that other stuff, the atmosphere, all the other stuff, protects us from things like gamma rays, from solar flares, from supernovas.
If, like, there was some sort of a supernova in a nearby galaxy and gamma rays went flying through the fucking galaxy.
ben jaffe
Now, this is stuff that's unique to Earth, or just unique to planets in general?
joe rogan
Neither.
I mean, atmospheres, we know for a fact there's atmospheres in many planets, in many different solar systems that we've found throughout the universe, including binary solar systems, which mean they have two different stars, and we've also detected simple gases, like different gases.
That exists on Earth, whether it's hydrogen or oxygen.
They've detected those on a lot of planets now.
It was just like a decade ago when they didn't know how many planets there were out there.
I was just guessing.
But now they're just spotting them left and right.
A lot of it, they spot the star, and then they see the wobble of the star.
And they recognize that something is spinning around the star, and that something most likely is a planet.
And then they can determine the mass of the planet, and then they can zoom in on that spot and find out if it's got...
Hydrogen or oxygen or whatever the fuck is on that planet.
suzanne santo
How do you feel about the likelihood that there are other planets like ours and there are other beings?
joe rogan
It's 100%.
suzanne santo
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
This is what's really fucked up.
Not only is there most likely other planets like us, but from the way it's been explained to me, the universe is so big that if infinity is real, and there's no reason to believe that it's not...
What infinity means, if the universe truly has no boundaries, and if there's infinite numbers of universes, like the same idea exists an infinite number of times, like an unmeasurable, impossible number, that there's another Suzanne, another Ben out there sitting on these shitty OfficeMax leather shoes.
suzanne santo
I know that other Suzanne is like a C-cup.
ben jaffe
I'm comfy.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
The other Suzanne's got nipple rings and a dick.
suzanne santo
No.
unidentified
Well, maybe.
suzanne santo
That'd be cool.
Why not just switch it up?
joe rogan
I guarantee you there's another Suzanne out there with a dick that has eyeballs.
suzanne santo
It's a big dick, though.
joe rogan
Every possibility that you could think of exists.
This is what's really fucked up about the concept of infinity.
Infinity literally means there's no boundaries.
There's no end.
So, it's not like you get through a certain amount of time.
The raw carbon building blocks for life.
We've run out.
We've made all the giraffes and the fucking cactuses and the palm trees.
We don't have any room for a Suzanne with a giant dick.
Incorrect.
We have another fucking...
There's an infinite number of universes with infinite solar systems, infinite galaxies, and inside one of those, somewhere, a billion, trillion, fucking zillion miles away, there's another Suzanne.
ben jaffe
But this is coming from a point of complete, not complete, but like a decent amount of ignorance, but what...
joe rogan
You can speak English, so...
ben jaffe
I was under the impression that there's still the understanding that the universe is contracting to a certain degree.
joe rogan
Well, it's supposed to be currently expanding, but will eventually contract.
ben jaffe
But that speaks to perimeters.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is, when you talk about this kind of stuff, especially if it's a guy like you, who's a musician, or a guy like me, who's an idiot, we don't know what the fuck we're saying.
We don't know what the fuck we're saying.
So, we're just basically parroting.
ben jaffe
No, that's the truth.
joe rogan
Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, astrophysicist-type dudes.
Actually, like, do the calculations and figure it out.
And I think that there's a lot of debate about what we know and what we're sure of.
And sometimes those things come into question.
Like, lately there's a guy, there's a new guy who is claiming that black holes don't exist.
And this is, like, a really recent study that a lot of people are taking very seriously.
And this guy has said that black holes, as we know them, do not exist.
brian redban
Chris Cornell is in this room, though.
joe rogan
What's that?
brian redban
There's five in this room there.
joe rogan
Five black holes?
My hole's not black.
It's not even brown.
It's like a red.
ben jaffe
You should get that looked at.
joe rogan
Here it is.
This is the theory.
Black holes do not exist.
But think about, like, the Big Bang.
This did not...
The Big Bang did not exist 100 years ago.
100 years ago, people were riding around on horses and fucking doing Annie Oakley fucking shooting galleries looking at a fucking mirror and shooting over their shoulder.
It was the greatest thing you could ever do.
No one knew what the fuck the Big Bang was.
No one had any idea why the stars were in the sky.
And now we know, but this guy, this recent guy, excuse me, it's a woman.
ben jaffe
What?
joe rogan
Then, probably wrong.
How dare you?
You fucking bitch.
I'm sorry, ma'am.
I was only kidding.
Her name is Professor Laura Mersini.
H-O-U-G-H-T-O-N. Houghton?
Houghton?
She said she is still in shock from the find.
Previously, scientists thought the stars were much larger than the sun collapsed under their own gravity and formed black holes when they died.
During this process, they released a type of radiation called Hawking radiation, but new research claims the star would lose too much mass and wouldn't be able to form a black hole.
If this is true, The theory that the universe began as a singularity followed by a Big Bang could also be wrong.
I don't understand a word I just said.
It's quite interesting.
ben jaffe
She's saying by the dissolution of the star, it can't have this ultimately dense, ultimately small, infinitely dense, infinitely small ball of matter which creates the Big Bang.
joe rogan
I don't know.
We're dumb and even bothering to have this conversation because I think this shit is...
This is beyond the great minds of our time.
This is one of those things where there's no conclusion.
suzanne santo
I think I just blacked out.
unidentified
Good.
suzanne santo
I really started to...
joe rogan
Time to move in.
ben jaffe
Yeah, you guys want to talk about music or something?
suzanne santo
Do you guys want to hear a song?
joe rogan
Yeah, set up the microphones.
Give her a guitar.
She wakes up, she'll start singing like an angel.
suzanne santo
I was with you the whole time, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
joe rogan
Well, I'm not even with me.
suzanne santo
What just happened?
joe rogan
I'm not even with me.
I don't understand it.
ben jaffe
Here, I'll do my questioning.
Here's what it says.
joe rogan
Please.
When a huge star, many times the mass of the sun, comes to the end of its life, it collapses in on itself and forms a singularity, creating a black hole where gravity is so strong that not even light itself can escape.
At least, that's what we thought.
A scientist has sensationally said it is impossible for black holes to exist.
And she even has the mathematical proof to back up her claims.
I should be working for Team MZ. If true, her research could force physicists to scrap their theories of how the universe began.
Ha ha.
The research was conducted by Professor Laura Marcini-Houghton from the University of North Carolina.
Oh, I lost interest.
suzanne santo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Did you say Harvard?
You didn't.
Did you say MIT? I didn't hear that.
I heard the University of North Carolina.
suzanne santo
Are you getting snobby on us, Joe?
Don't do that.
joe rogan
I am Ivy League in heart.
suzanne santo
Come on.
joe rogan
Where did you go to school?
UMass Boston for three years.
ben jaffe
You went to UMass?
joe rogan
Barely.
Barely.
ben jaffe
Damn.
joe rogan
I went to UMass Boston for three years.
suzanne santo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Wasted my time.
I only went in the continuing education program.
I didn't even take my SATs.
Me either.
Thank you.
unidentified
Holla.
ben jaffe
I did.
unidentified
Good for you.
How'd you do, Ben?
joe rogan
Ben's a smart one.
ben jaffe
I did fucking okay, yeah.
You lowlifes.
suzanne santo
Oh, damn.
unidentified
I'm a pro living a life without proving yourself at 18. I guess I'll drunk drive myself home.
That's true.
joe rogan
So true.
suzanne santo
BS, not doing that.
joe rogan
No.
suzanne santo
False, not doing that.
joe rogan
Uber, it's here.
It's real.
Yeah, but we have a car here.
Yeah, we have a car service.
No, but we have...
It's going to be okay.
Do you guys have marijuana?
What do you think?
What were we talking about?
Proletariat?
UMass Boston?
Yeah.
I only went because I was worried that people thought I was a loser.
When I got out of high school, I had no idea what I was going to do, and I kept telling everybody, I'm just going to take a year off.
And when I would tell girls that, they would look at me with such disdain.
unidentified
Fuck!
ben jaffe
That's what I did, and I didn't say it to any girls.
brian redban
Absolutely.
You had to go to college because that's what everybody in your class did, and if you said you weren't going or you didn't know by you graduated high school, people were like, ugh.
ben jaffe
Shit, I didn't go.
unidentified
It's the worst.
ben jaffe
I didn't experience that kind of discrimination.
joe rogan
Well, it's not discrimination.
It's wanting you to live up to a certain quality of work ethic and standard.
Where I grew up, I lived in Newton, Massachusetts.
ben jaffe
Fucking Newton.
joe rogan
Newton.
Newton.
Mush.
Newton North, they called each other Mush.
It's one of the only places on Earth where Mush, like, what up, Mush?
Mush.
You seen this fucking broad Mush?
She's got a big ass, Mush.
unidentified
Mush mouth.
joe rogan
Girls didn't have big asses when I was in school.
unidentified
What does mush mean?
joe rogan
It doesn't mean anything.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
But there's an area of Newton called the lake.
suzanne santo
Is that like the audible comma?
joe rogan
No.
No.
It's like dude.
It's their version of dude.
suzanne santo
Just checking.
joe rogan
It's their version of dude.
suzanne santo
Dude.
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
suzanne santo
That's all I want to know.
joe rogan
It was mush.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
I grew up in Newton South and I didn't get mush.
But my good friends Kevin Chason and my good friends Nick Dottilio, they both went to Newton North.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay?
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
And Newton North was different than Newton South.
Jimmy Lawless went to Newton South.
He was also my good friend.
And we, uh...
ben jaffe
His name is Lawless?
unidentified
Jimmy?
joe rogan
Jimmy motherfucking Lawless.
Still my friend to this day.
unidentified
Why are your friends so cool with cool names?
joe rogan
Sean Lawless.
Michael Lawless.
unidentified
He changed his name.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
That's his name, son.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
Just like Eddie Bravo.
That's another one of my friends with a real name.
More proof.
We're living in a simulation.
You guys are itching to rock this.
unidentified
No, we're not.
ben jaffe
That's not true.
We're patient, man.
joe rogan
I know you are.
unidentified
No, we're not.
You say what you need to say.
suzanne santo
I want to hear more about your friends and their cool names.
ben jaffe
Mush.
unidentified
It wasn't cool.
joe rogan
They were trapped.
They were living in a place where it snows six months out of the year.
ben jaffe
You know, I lived in Mass, too.
joe rogan
There was a Prince song called Sometimes It Snows in April.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a very sad song.
I was in my Audi Fox.
Okay, I was coming home from my gig where I was driving a private investigator that lost his job.
He lost his Come on!
He's also still my good friend.
suzanne santo
No way.
joe rogan
From Boston!
Look, I wouldn't go back to Boston, but that motherfucker shaped me.
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
Anyway.
That's amazing.
Driving back in April, snowing.
Listen to Prince.
unidentified
Sometimes it snows...
joe rogan
And I was like, I gotta get the fuck out of Boston.
I can't deal with snow in April.
suzanne santo
Did you get the winter blues?
Like, would you get bummed and stuff?
unidentified
I got blues all the time.
joe rogan
I was a loser.
suzanne santo
I think that's fair.
Everybody does that.
joe rogan
Well, if you're super desperate and you're trying to carve your path in this world with a rabid desperation, like I was, you're always feeling like shit.
suzanne santo
Sure.
joe rogan
Because if you're not feeling like shit, you're feeling complacent, nothing gets done.
suzanne santo
Sure.
Well, you know, the blues come and go.
That's just inevitable, I think, at this point.
And when you accept it and you figure out what it is and what it means and you just keep having an understanding with yourself.
joe rogan
And it's important that a certain type of people, like people that you listen to, like someone like you or like you or like you guys, name their reality.
Like talk about the reality and talk about the blues.
And then everybody goes, oh, I get it.
It's just a part of struggling.
Like a part of struggling is...
I think you guys are super talented.
We've been friends for years now, and I've always thought you guys were super talented.
From the moment I saw that one song where you guys were on top of the roof, and you were singing Angel of Death, I love you guys so much too.
I think you guys are amazing.
But when you connect with something like that, and you see someone who's doing something that makes you feel good when you see it, and you want to spread it to these other people, it's like...
What is that?
I mean, what that is at its best is like there's this weird light that you can find in the deep, dark tunnels of human creativity that makes you feel better about the struggle.
I like the fact that you guys haven't made it.
I'm really sorry.
I wish you had made it.
I wish you were multi, multi, multi millionaires.
suzanne santo
I think that's going to change soon.
joe rogan
I know it's going to!
And I know you're not going to change.
ben jaffe
I appreciate you saying that, man.
joe rogan
I love that I met you guys when you were in the fucking...
unidentified
You were in the goddamn roots of it all.
joe rogan
You were swinging.
You guys are sleeping on couches and fucking jamming out.
You guys did that December 21st show that we did at the Wiltern.
suzanne santo
Yeah, that kept us afloat.
2012. That was like a fucking lifesaver.
ben jaffe
Thank you.
suzanne santo
Thank you for that.
joe rogan
You guys fucking crushed it.
I'll never forget.
suzanne santo
So did you, by the way.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz and Eddie Bravo came backstage after you guys got off stage before Duncan went up.
Or Joey went up.
And he came up stage.
Yeah, it was Joey and then Doug Stanhope.
So before Joey went up, you guys were on stage.
You were fucking killing it.
And Joey came backstage with Eddie Bravo and they're both shaking their head back and forth.
And they just go, that's a badass bitch.
That is a badass bitch.
They kept saying that.
And then Joey goes, God damn, those motherfuckers are talented.
And Eddie Bravo was just shaking his head, God damn, those motherfuckers are talented.
And then they both go, how are they not famous as fuck?
How are they not famous as fuck?
Like, it became like a conversation before the rest of the show went on.
Like, you guys were just fucking crushing it.
I don't even remember what song it was, but they were just, Eddie Bravo was holding his hands on his head like the fucking Home Alone kid.
unidentified
He was like, God damn, they're They're really good.
joe rogan
And I go, I told you, dude, they're really good.
suzanne santo
He's such a nice dude.
joe rogan
They're both nice dudes.
suzanne santo
Thanks, man.
Thanks for saying all that really sweet stuff.
joe rogan
I like the fact that I knew you guys when you weren't shit.
suzanne santo
It's all down from here.
ben jaffe
But you were.
joe rogan
You were, but you weren't.
It's like, I love the fact that there's something out there that's as good or better than anything else.
But people don't know yet.
They don't know yet.
And you guys are out there just fucking chipping away at it.
And slowly people are going, holy fuck.
And that's what happens in this world.
ben jaffe
And it makes it better.
Honestly, I feel good about it.
You know what I mean?
I feel all this time we're putting in now, and who cares what happens?
joe rogan
Let me tell you something, Ben.
I don't picture you in bed with David Bowie.
ben jaffe
It's going to happen.
joe rogan
I don't see that shit happening.
unidentified
That's weird.
joe rogan
I do.
ben jaffe
No, it's not manifesting that for years.
joe rogan
You're taking a longer, stronger road.
You're going to know who you are by the time you get in bed with David Bowie.
You're going to go like, homie, I love your music.
I love your music.
I'm going to fucking give you a hug and then I'm going to go home.
ben jaffe
Express ourselves differently.
Mutual respect.
No touching.
joe rogan
I think it's super important to go through that struggle.
I think that if you guys had somehow or another started out together and then a week later someone came along and went, holy shit, you guys are fucking great!
suzanne santo
Well, no, we've had that, but it didn't...
But if it did...
But that's what's so cool about...
Everyone has a different way to get there, a different vehicle.
I think about that a lot because we've been through so much shit together.
We've been through so much in our personal lives and in the career.
I feel really lucky for that because...
I have so much information and experience and understanding of what this business entails.
We've booked our own shows.
We've been our own manager at times.
We've done all the shit.
And if we had blown up when we were young, I don't know what would have happened.
That's a terrifying thought.
We talk about this a lot, but essentially, being good people and having a legitimate reason for doing this, not like some masturbatory, oh, I just want to be the best.
That's not why we play music, and that's stupid and narcissistic.
We have had all these crazy experiences and difficult times, and Was that somebody's stomach?
What was that?
Was that me?
ben jaffe
Keep it going.
Keep it going.
joe rogan
That's the demon inside you.
unidentified
Probably.
joe rogan
Keep lying, woman.
unidentified
We're close to our goal.
suzanne santo
God, I told you it was the end of the world.
Those spider jets.
ben jaffe
He's doing it now.
suzanne santo
Do you snore?
ben jaffe
Male power.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I have to wear a mouthpiece.
unidentified
Do you really?
ben jaffe
What does that even mean?
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
My neck is not a normal neck.
You see that neck?
suzanne santo
You're an alien!
joe rogan
It's not supposed to be...
A lot of wrestlers and people who do a lot of moving their head around...
You develop too many muscles in your neck and your tongue will fall over your ear hole and clog that bitch up.
So I wear a mouthpiece.
ben jaffe
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, to keep my tongue from falling back into my air hole.
It's called sleep apnea.
suzanne santo
Oh yeah, we know what that is.
joe rogan
No, I don't want to die either.
Guys have died.
suzanne santo
I know.
ben jaffe
Okay, valid.
suzanne santo
You choke in your sleep a few times a night.
joe rogan
Just give up like a bitch.
suzanne santo
My sister has sleep apnea and I used to live with her.
joe rogan
Oh, let's talk about her.
suzanne santo
Oh, she's great.
Hey, you know what?
She's opening a juice shop in Cleveland.
unidentified
Holy shit!
suzanne santo
And I support that.
joe rogan
What's it called?
I love juice shops.
What's it called?
suzanne santo
It's called Daily Press Juice.
joe rogan
When is it up?
suzanne santo
It's going to be up very soon, actually.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
unidentified
Allegedly.
joe rogan
Dreams have failed in the past.
unidentified
Hey, Joe!
suzanne santo
Joe, don't you dare.
joe rogan
Don't make me go tell your family and you guys.
I'll tweet the shit out of her.
Please do.
Let me know when it's up.
suzanne santo
She's so great.
joe rogan
I will tweet.
I'll only been...
ben jaffe
We should stop drinking.
joe rogan
I'll only been a tweet.
No, we're fine.
Shut up.
ben jaffe
We love you so much.
unidentified
I love you so much, too.
joe rogan
I've only been to Cleveland once.
I'll go back.
suzanne santo
Hey, next time you're there, you should meet my family.
unidentified
They're really cool.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
unidentified
Allegedly.
suzanne santo
If you're in Cleveland, we'll be there.
We'll make a point to be there together.
We'll have a party.
joe rogan
Let's do this.
How about we book a show with you guys and me in Cleveland?
And we'll see if Joey can do it too.
suzanne santo
I love that so much.
I need to not invite my parents.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Keep your parents at home.
suzanne santo
Yeah, we'll keep them at home.
joe rogan
Let's get fucked up.
ben jaffe
Where do we do this?
suzanne santo
Oh, state theater.
joe rogan
Would you guys...
suzanne santo
Aim for the stars.
joe rogan
Would you guys...
suzanne santo
Red Band, what do you think about that?
joe rogan
Do your set.
Would you guys do this?
Would you guys do your set and then play in the background while Joey's on stage and I'm on stage just fuck around and play music?
unidentified
Like mellifluous shit?
ben jaffe
Yeah, dude, we score that shit.
suzanne santo
You see what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Just have fun.
suzanne santo
Heck yeah.
joe rogan
It's done.
ben jaffe
Be like jazz.
unidentified
Be like beat.
ben jaffe
Beat poetry.
joe rogan
Like the gay guy from Star Trek.
Make it so.
suzanne santo
Which one?
Zachary Quinto?
ben jaffe
No, it's the...
joe rogan
I call him the gay guy.
suzanne santo
Are we talking contemporary?
joe rogan
No, the new one!
unidentified
Vintage.
joe rogan
Not even the new, new, new, new one.
The fucking semi-new one.
unidentified
What's his name?
suzanne santo
Guys, have we been going for three hours?
Because it feels like...
joe rogan
Picard.
Picard.
It's only 6.30.
brian redban
He's gay?
suzanne santo
This is amazing.
joe rogan
He's gay.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Your gaydar is from the 1950s and it runs on coal.
unidentified
What?
suzanne santo
Are you talking about me?
joe rogan
No, Brian.
He just asked me if the fucking guy from Star Trek is gay, the bald guy.
I'm like, do you not even pay attention?
Do you not understand your surroundings?
suzanne santo
What's that guy's name?
brian redban
Patrick Stewart.
joe rogan
He's a beautiful man.
Him and Gandalf should get together.
They probably have.
ben jaffe
Yeah, I think there's pictures about that.
joe rogan
Good for them.
God bless them.
Somebody give Jennifer Lawrence a hug if you're near her.
I want you to tell her it's going to be okay.
You're beautiful.
Don't worry about those assholes that have seen you naked.
You're beautiful.
Don't worry about it.
suzanne santo
What's happening?
joe rogan
Is Patrick Stewart gay?
The Guardian falsely outs Captain Picard after he congratulates Ellen Page on coming out.
What year is this, though?
unidentified
Uh...
suzanne santo
Yesterday.
unidentified
2011. 2014, February 20th, 2014. Well, he might not be gay.
suzanne santo
Yeah, because Ellen Page came out this year.
joe rogan
Who cares?
I hope he's happy.
Who gives a fuck if he's gay?
Who gives a fuck...
suzanne santo
This is a gay-friendly podcast.
joe rogan
You know what?
I'm a gay-friendly person.
I'm also a trans-friendly person.
I really am.
Even though I don't want trans women beating the fuck out of cis women, I'm a trans-friendly person.
I'm a dwarf-friendly person.
Little people?
Whatever it is.
I'm black-friendly, Filipino-friendly, Asian-friendly, white-friendly, straight male-friendly.
unidentified
Joe, you're a lover.
suzanne santo
You're a lover.
joe rogan
I'm a lover.
I love everybody.
ben jaffe
I really do.
You bring a lot of positivity to you.
joe rogan
I think that we're all locked up in conflict, man.
And I think there could be a lot less of it.
And if there was, we'd figure a lot more shit out and we'd get a lot more shit done and be nicer to each other and make the whole experience just a little bit easier, a little more well-loved.
unidentified
Well, you know what?
suzanne santo
We're all in this together.
joe rogan
Yeah.
suzanne santo
No matter who the fuck you are.
Top, bottom, middle, taint.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
I've been watching a lot.
The taint feels so good sometimes.
It just touches it just right.
I've been paying attention to a lot of people.
This is over the life.
There's a process that happens when I put out a special.
And one of the big things that happens is after the special's out, I scramble.
I go in this mad panic state where I have to come up with a bunch of new material.
And it's good and it's bad.
suzanne santo
It's like your next record.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And sometimes I have some rough sets.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Come to see me while I'm working out new shit.
Come a year later, you'll be so happy.
It'll all work out.
But along the lines of doing all this, I start exposing myself to a bunch of different things.
I try to expose myself to as many things as possible.
It's really scary.
It's scary to try to come up with new material.
It's scary to tread down new patterns and not have formulated bits you can call upon that you absolutely know they're going to be effective.
But that's what life is about.
suzanne santo
Just to be some supportive friends here, you're so fucking brilliant.
unidentified
This podcast just got gay.
I thought we were into that.
suzanne santo
I thought it was gay friendly.
I thought it was gay like two hours ago.
ben jaffe
We talked about this.
joe rogan
It got G-H-E-Y like protein.
Like whey protein.
unidentified
Gay.
joe rogan
Gay like whey.
ben jaffe
What Susanna's trying to say is we believe in you.
joe rogan
I believe in you guys too.
It's not important that you believe in me.
It's important that we believe in each other.
unidentified
I believe I can fly.
suzanne santo
Oh my god, Space James.
joe rogan
I'm sorry, I'm not good with compliments.
I try to shut them off whenever possible.
suzanne santo
We feel secure with complimenting you and you not accepting them at this time.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
They fucked me in the past.
I don't trust them anymore.
ben jaffe
No, come on.
joe rogan
Can you guys play punk kid?
suzanne santo
We'll snuggle you afterward.
joe rogan
I assumed that was a part of our package deal in getting you guys on the podcast.
suzanne santo
You know what?
I just realized I'm going to play this acoustic guitar.
I don't know if it's going to hit this microphone.
Should I do one of these, Jamie?
ben jaffe
You got two microphones there.
suzanne santo
Are you cool with that?
unidentified
Okay, I'm going to aim it at the 12th fret.
Whoa, it's floating!
joe rogan
This piece of shit.
suzanne santo
I think it's okay.
joe rogan
Goddammit, Jamie.
suzanne santo
Hold on, I can...
No, no, it's not Jamie.
joe rogan
Jamie will fix it.
suzanne santo
It's maybe just gravity.
joe rogan
It's a fake goddammit, Jamie.
No, no, no.
suzanne santo
No, Jamie, you're so great.
unidentified
How's it going?
How's it going?
joe rogan
This is drunk talk.
suzanne santo
I'm a little ticked.
ben jaffe
I'm a little fucked up.
suzanne santo
Ben.
joe rogan
I'm glad I don't have to drive for another hour.
unidentified
Are we going to be able to sing this song?
ben jaffe
We might not make it through this one.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
We'll be fine.
unidentified
We'll do our best.
joe rogan
We love you.
Look, Twitter's lighting up like a goddamn Christmas tree right now.
They're so happy.
suzanne santo
I can't hear anything.
unidentified
I'm going to turn this off.
joe rogan
This is authentic.
People love it.
Brian loves it.
I look down, look to the table.
He loves it.
brian redban
Heart on.
joe rogan
No!
That's not what I meant.
I mean, his feet were tapping, you fuck.
suzanne santo
Ben, are you doing headphones?
ben jaffe
I'm doing one in, one out.
suzanne santo
Okay.
I might do one in, two.
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Will you guys just shut the fuck up and sing this?
ben jaffe
Play the fucking music!
suzanne santo
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
suzanne santo
You ready?
Are we doing this now?
How are we starting this one?
ben jaffe
Punk kid?
I don't even...
suzanne santo
Okay.
I bet you were a punky when you were young.
unidentified
I bet you were a punk kid when you were young.
Blashing your cut, tearing shit up.
I bet you were a punk.
Cause it takes one to know one.
Prodigal son.
yeah I bet you were a punk how's that working out for ya?
who's coming around for ya?
take a second on your bad luck oh honey you're a fucker I bet you made your mama cry when you were young.
I bet you made your mama cry.
suzanne santo
Signing the cross, ripping her off, cutting it down to size.
Just a good one with a bad son Wondering why you always made me cry, honey Oh no How's I working out for you?
unidentified
Who's coming round for you?
Say you're stuck on your balance Oh honey, you're a fucker You're bad news darling, and you fall so fast Laying on your own dead way.
You're not an innocent man.
Oh, no.
I'm feeling bad for how you do.
Yeah, I'm feeling bad for how you do.
Cause somewhere along the line, somebody gave it to you.
On the right side and the wrong side.
No matter how you do, I feel for you.
I feel for you.
How's that working out for you?
Who's coming out for you?
Say you stuck all your bad love.
Oh, honey, you're a fucker.
You're a fucker Oh-oh Oh-oh That was beautiful.
ben jaffe
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
Damn, I love that song.
suzanne santo
I think I should have worn these the whole time.
joe rogan
It's fantastic.
You don't need that shit.
I love that song.
I fucking love that song.
I've heard that song a hundred times.
What?
Easily, easily, without a doubt.
That's why I picked it.
That's the song that had this cool, fucking, fun riff to it.
I just had to hear that song over and over and over again.
unidentified
Geez.
joe rogan
I played that song, I'm not bullshitting.
I played that song close to a hundred times.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
If I had to stop and guess, I played it one time at the gym, I put it on repeat, and I got on the stair climber, and I went a half an hour, and I listened to your fucking song for a half an hour.
unidentified
That's fucking awesome!
joe rogan
Because I was trying to figure out what song to use for the beginning of the special.
And I had a bunch of your songs, your old songs, your new songs, and, uh...
suzanne santo
We have so many new songs.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I'm about to do...
And I listened to that song over and over again for half an hour.
It's actually the elliptical.
I misspoke.
Not on the stair climber.
unidentified
You know what?
suzanne santo
Better on the joints.
Better on the joints.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
I don't think stair climber's bad for the joints.
It just gives the joints some work.
suzanne santo
That's true.
joe rogan
Bitch-ass joints.
Go to work.
brian redban
Speaking of joints.
joe rogan
Stop being scared.
Stop being scared of all elliptical and shit.
What else?
Yeah, speaking of that.
brian redban
I got electrocuted.
suzanne santo
What?
brian redban
When that song started.
I don't know if it's that amp that's plugged into something or not.
unidentified
Are you okay?
ben jaffe
I'm sorry, Brian.
joe rogan
That's the gay.
It's coming out of your sweat.
suzanne santo
You do so badly.
brian redban
It happens all the time.
ben jaffe
Does it really happen all the time?
joe rogan
I like how you said so badly and not so bad.
suzanne santo
Badly?
ben jaffe
Yeah, that's what I get those adverbs working, man.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You feel so bad.
suzanne santo
I'm working on it, you know?
joe rogan
Are you?
suzanne santo
Proper grammar.
Yeah, grammatically correct.
I actually really care about that stuff.
joe rogan
In what way?
Do you accidentally write Y-O-U-R when you meant Y-O-U apostrophe R-E? Y-O-U-R. And you tweet it and you go, fuck!
suzanne santo
Oh, no, no, no.
ben jaffe
That's worth trashing a tweet and getting it back up again.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
suzanne santo
No, I really care about that.
I'm not kidding.
Like, twos and twos.
There's, there's, and there's.
Oh, I know it.
joe rogan
This is all I care about.
Don't write you are to me.
unidentified
You are?
You are?
joe rogan
Are you lazy?
You can't write Y-O-U-R. Are you scared that you don't know which one is Y-O-U apostrophe R-E and Y-O-U-R? I don't think he's talking to you, Suzanne.
ben jaffe
I think it's kind of bringing it to a larger audience.
unidentified
I just wanted to take it to a literal major point.
joe rogan
But I'm confused.
unidentified
Joe, I'm going to be so high, just so you know.
What do you think about emojis, Joe?
joe rogan
You'll be fine.
Holy shit.
Everybody's going to be fine.
suzanne santo
Ben, this is like the Cheshire Cat.
ben jaffe
That's a lot of weed smoke.
suzanne santo
We're like Alice, and this is the Wonderland of podcasts.
ben jaffe
That's some weed smoke.
suzanne santo
You and I are both Alice.
joe rogan
I've told you I'm 47, smoking weed for a little while.
suzanne santo
Joe, we really want to talk about DMT.
joe rogan
I know you do.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
But we're online.
unidentified
Okay, we'll do it.
So is the sea on...
suzanne santo
Fair enough.
joe rogan
If I could get the CIA high and let them know that I'm on the same fucking page as them...
suzanne santo
Oh, I know it.
joe rogan
Listen, bro, I'm not anti-American.
I used to own a Mustang.
But I need you people to know...
suzanne santo
You did not.
unidentified
We're sorry.
joe rogan
Shelby Mustang GT500. How the fuck dare you?
I've had a bunch of American cars.
Right now I don't have currently any American cars.
suzanne santo
Jesus.
ben jaffe
What are we working with right now?
joe rogan
But when we did this video for your song, the Punk Kid song, we used your riff, I was driving a new Shell, one of those new Challengers.
Challenger SRT Hellcat.
suzanne santo
How did you know it was a Dodge?
Because I pay attention, goddammit.
unidentified
Pay attention to what?
joe rogan
I sent you an email.
ben jaffe
No, no, no.
suzanne santo
It wasn't an email.
It was a tweet or an Instagram.
I was there.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
Guys, am I allowed to smoke in the marijuana party?
unidentified
Oh, I didn't know Ben wants to be a part of this party.
suzanne santo
Shit, Ben, I am driving.
Oh, my God.
We've got to get a sandwich after this podcast.
unidentified
We've talked about this.
ben jaffe
We've talked about this.
suzanne santo
For the record.
ben jaffe
We've talked about this.
unidentified
I'll let up a freshet.
joe rogan
What'd you talk about, specifically?
Do you guys nag each other, like, married chicks that don't fuck?
unidentified
Um...
suzanne santo
Pretty much.
ben jaffe
Danger zone.
suzanne santo
Look, do you know what, though?
joe rogan
We got Kenny Loggins up in this motherfucker.
suzanne santo
Is it...
unidentified
Highway to the danger zone.
suzanne santo
I think you should sing the next song.
joe rogan
No.
suzanne santo
Ben, oh my god, you're gonna get high.
joe rogan
I have zero musical talent.
unidentified
I know, that's the point.
ben jaffe
Hey, why don't you not make a big deal of it?
That's gonna help.
unidentified
That's gonna help both of us.
joe rogan
Friends just let friends be.
I love Ben, okay?
I don't have anything invested in Ben not fucking up his words.
unidentified
No, no, no.
suzanne santo
I'm great.
I feel great.
ben jaffe
I'm going to be ultimately supportive and loving towards you.
joe rogan
You guys are the weirdest non-sexual couple I've ever met.
brian redban
Yeah, it's too much sexual tension, I think.
joe rogan
I think you guys just need to put a finger in or something.
You might have to one day.
Look, the night is young, guys.
suzanne santo
We're going to hit the town after this.
joe rogan
You guys might wind up married.
unidentified
Is that possible?
joe rogan
So one day you guys get super famous and fucking flail away in the weeds of extracurricular relationships.
suzanne santo
Ben and I will probably get married when we're in our 70s.
Maybe 60s.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Forties!
suzanne santo
Forties, so we still have some action under our belts?
joe rogan
Listen, there's a certain number of years you can put on your body when no one wants to fuck you anymore.
suzanne santo
Here's what we're gonna do.
joe rogan
Unless you're like a classic.
suzanne santo
We're gonna check in with you to make sure you're cool with it.
And then we'll try to take you for a spin.
brian redban
I'm cool with it right now.
joe rogan
You want to take this shit to the next level, I'm cool with it.
ben jaffe
Would you be the officiant?
suzanne santo
Yeah, will you fucking...
joe rogan
Married?
Yeah, I've married people before.
ben jaffe
I believe that.
I believe that in a heartbeat.
joe rogan
I'm an ordained minister.
suzanne santo
Damn!
joe rogan
I'm not kidding.
Like one of those online churches.
ben jaffe
I'm not kidding.
unidentified
I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
They send me emails all the time.
I'm good.
I literally did marry a couple.
suzanne santo
That's amazing.
joe rogan
That one fear factor together.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I married them in Vegas.
suzanne santo
Oh, my God.
ben jaffe
They were cool.
suzanne santo
Are they still married, Joe?
unidentified
Are they divorced?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I hope so.
I ran into someone a long time ago that knew them.
unidentified
Ben, if you want me to make him function, am I driving?
joe rogan
Just blow it on her, homeboy.
Oh, you got an Uber.
suzanne santo
No, I can't do it.
unidentified
Don't worry.
joe rogan
Don't worry.
We're good.
We're good.
suzanne santo
I'll do it after we sing.
unidentified
Oh, she went in for it.
joe rogan
She went in for it.
unidentified
She went in for it.
ben jaffe
No one called Suzanne Shinto a push head.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm trying to make something happen here, ladies and gentlemen.
This is my second person I've convinced into smoking weed this month.
Number one was Graham Hancock.
unidentified
Graham Hancock!
A friend of mine, his name is BC, is going on...
joe rogan
You have a friend named Beastie?
ben jaffe
His name is BC, and he's going on one of Graham Hancock's tours in Egypt, man.
He's super fucking punk.
joe rogan
I love the shit out of that guy.
And he was on the podcast, and he had taken a three-year break from marijuana, and he was talking about how he missed it.
Well, he realized he was kind of abusing it.
He was doing it all day.
And he was using it as a crutch.
And he did ayahuasca.
And he recognized the fact that he was using it as a crutch.
And then on the podcast, he was talking about how he missed it.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so he took one, maybe two hits.
And then just...
ben jaffe
Opened up like a flower.
suzanne santo
Is that when you kissed him on the mouth?
ben jaffe
No!
joe rogan
There's a reason why the table is so wide.
I don't trust my instinct.
I love him so much.
Just checking.
suzanne santo
I just like to make sure.
joe rogan
He started talking with this great passion about these ancient civilizations that probably existed in Egypt and the resistance to accepting them.
And he has all this fucking beautiful rap that's like a song.
It's like a song when he really locks into it, when he really locks into this discussion of these ancient civilizations.
It's such a passion for him that he's constructed the narrative in this really beautiful, melodic sort of like a play.
So when he tells it to you, it's hypnotic.
You know, he's talking to you.
ben jaffe
He's gone so deep into that stuff, man.
That's incredible.
joe rogan
And every year some new shit comes out that makes him more...
ben jaffe
Where is that shit coming from?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
Which stuff?
ben jaffe
So there's new shit.
Is that archaeology or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Well, there's every year.
If you don't know Graham Hancock...
Graham wrote an amazing book called The Fingerprints of the Gods.
unidentified
Fingerprints of the Gods or Footprints of the Gods?
brian redban
Fingerprints.
ben jaffe
I think it's footprints.
brian redban
Footprints is the two feet in the beach and stuff.
joe rogan
Footprints of the Gods?
brian redban
Fingerprints.
joe rogan
Fingerprints of the Gods.
Okay, fingerprints.
Anyway, sorry.
I forget.
I've read it, and I forget.
It's just a title.
It's just a word.
Just a noise you make with your mouth.
But the idea behind it was that...
What he believed is that there are established areas of the world where there's archaeology that they can't quite explain.
Massive stones, cut with extreme precision, moved into position.
suzanne santo
Well, isn't that what Stonehenge is?
joe rogan
Well, Stonehenge is nothing.
A place called Baalbek in Lebanon.
suzanne santo
Something greater than Stonehenge?
Holy shit.
Dude.
Enlighten me.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of them.
There's not just one.
There's a bunch of them.
ben jaffe
The oldest pyramids have survived much longer than the newer pyramids.
There was a certain era.
joe rogan
I don't know about all that.
ben jaffe
Well, that's in the book.
That's in Graham Hancock's book.
joe rogan
But the pyramid thing is really under dispute between people that are real legit Egyptologists and people like John Anthony West, who's this brilliant alternative Egyptology thinker, and Graham Hancock, and a lot of these revisionist guys.
There's still some debate as to what's correct and what's not correct.
But there's been a lot of evidence that dates the Great Pyramids, like the Pyramid of Giza, to 2500 BC. And that doesn't jive with this guy Robert Schock, who's a geologist at Boston University, and this guy John Anthony West and Graham Hancock, who believe that there's all sorts of evidence that there was massive erosion that probably came from rainfall.
And one of them was on the inside, the enclosure of where the Sphinx was built.
So where the Sphinx was built, it was sort of cut out of this, you know, big stone quarry.
And the stones that were cut out were presumably smooth, but over like thousands and thousands of years have become like contoured.
And the debate is whether or not that contour is because of erosion with sand and wind or because of water.
And there's a bunch of geologists that have got behind the water, and they're saying, this is water erosion.
This is consistent with water erosion.
The number one being the most prominent, Robert Schock, who is a geologist at Boston University.
He's done a bunch of papers on this and explained that what we're probably looking at is thousands of years of rainfall that's eroded these things, which would predate the construction of this area, the cutout, the flat wall of this area, to like 9,000 B.C., Which they don't have any civilizations that they knew of before, like, that age.
Like, it was making that kind of shit.
But then they found some stuff in Turkey called Gobekli Tepe.
They found this, like, big structure that's like this...
They're just uncovering it now.
I think they've only got, like, 10% of it uncovered.
So every...
And this is 14,000 years old.
Between 12 and 14,000 years old.
So every year, like, they find more shit that makes Graham Hancock's theories, like, look more and more plausible.
And then he's got, together with a bunch of other people that know about, like...
Asteroidal impacts.
This guy, Randall Carlson, he's an expert on extinction events.
Asteroidal impacts and extinction events.
ben jaffe
What has there been besides the dinosaur thing?
joe rogan
There's been a fuckload of them!
ben jaffe
Bring it, dude!
joe rogan
There's been a fuckload of them!
ben jaffe
What are you talking?
joe rogan
They think they happen all the time, man.
They think they happen every 12, 13,000 years.
ben jaffe
Okay, so 12, 13,000 years ago, what went extinct as a result of an asteroid explosion?
I don't even know what I'm saying.
joe rogan
They believe.
There's a lot of guesswork when it comes to anything that's like 12,000 years ago.
There's a lot of like, what the hell happened?
Who knows?
We like to think of 12,000 as like, look, if you have $12,000, you can't buy a house.
suzanne santo
I really want $12,000.
joe rogan
If you buy a car for $12,000, don't expect to impress anybody.
$12,000 is not much.
unidentified
So 12,000 years, eh, what is that?
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like that much.
But it's a fucking long time!
ben jaffe
That's a lot of years.
joe rogan
And 12,000 years ago, it's very possible that Earth was smashed.
All over the place with these asteroid impacts.
They keep finding all this stuff.
Like they found recently, they found these micro diamonds that indicate some sort of impact.
And then they found this stuff called nuclear glass.
It's like called tritonite or something like that.
And it comes from impacts.
From these giant rocks just slamming into the earth.
And it's all, all over like Europe and Asia.
It's all around 12,000 years ago.
ben jaffe
Does that speak to any extinction that happened?
Or is it the kind of thing where like, okay, these had an impact in a different part of the world, so it didn't affect the environment like the dinosaur.
joe rogan
I'm totally talking out of school.
I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
I have no scholarly degrees on any of these subjects.
ben jaffe
You're very convincing.
joe rogan
But the way it's been explained to me is there's a great mystery involving what happens when you have some big extinction event, where you have no saber-toothed tigers left, you have no woolly-toothed mammals.
What happened?
How'd they all die?
And they've pinpointed a very specific time and it corresponds the same time they're finding this stuff all over the place.
This stuff when they do the core samples.
So some it's very like this somewhere around 12,000 years ago, we got fucked up!
Giant rocks from the sky just came down and fucked everything up and a few few people made it, you know, who knows how many?
suzanne santo
So the humans were actually present then?
joe rogan
Most likely.
Yeah, 100%.
12,000 years ago is not that long.
Weird.
We probably looked exactly like us.
suzanne santo
Oh, totally.
Tattoos.
joe rogan
I don't mean like that, but I mean like our structure.
Like if you took a dude, they probably didn't get as much food, so they were probably like smaller.
But if you took a person...
ben jaffe
Same brain, though.
joe rogan
Very similar.
If you took a person...
You know, a regular person from 12,000 years ago put them in a movie theater and walked by them while you were sitting in your seat.
You have no idea.
It looked like you.
I mean, it was us.
suzanne santo
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
So those people probably had to start all over.
ben jaffe
But depending on where, this is what I'm trying to understand, is depending on where the asteroid...
suzanne santo
Why did you make me smoke weed?
ben jaffe
It's going to go great.
It's just going to get better.
suzanne santo
I lost my sparkle.
ben jaffe
It's there.
joe rogan
What sparkle did you lose?
unidentified
I lost my sparkle.
suzanne santo
What happened?
Please continue what you were saying.
I'm just going to hang.
joe rogan
Why'd you lose your sparkle?
suzanne santo
I don't know.
See, this is what I'm saying.
I'm not a good weed smoker.
joe rogan
You're a fine weed smoker.
ben jaffe
I think you're killing it.
suzanne santo
I think you guys should talk and I should not put this on the internet.
ben jaffe
Do you want to play a show?
unidentified
No!
ben jaffe
Are you sure?
I think that would be awesome.
joe rogan
Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock.
Ladies and gentlemen, Fingerprints of the Gods.
ben jaffe
Available at Amazon.com.
unidentified
God damn it!
joe rogan
Too much?
suzanne santo
No, I feel bad.
ben jaffe
Is Amazon super fucked up, Joe?
joe rogan
No.
No, if it did, it would have missiles and tanks.
It's definitely not super fucked up.
I think if you're looking at like a scale of fucked up, Amazon's nowhere near like super fucked up.
They're super convenient.
You get on that Amazon one crook.
ben jaffe
Are they running shit and chasing people out of the fucking business?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
ben jaffe
Crushing things?
joe rogan
Is that what they're doing?
ben jaffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
ben jaffe
That's got to be a general result.
suzanne santo
Are we talking Amazon.com?
ben jaffe
Yeah.
suzanne santo
Oh man, they make life so fucking convenient.
ben jaffe
But is that sacrificing anything else?
I ask because I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
suzanne santo
That depends.
I mean, the people that they're sort of affecting are the big business, like Target.
Whatever.
You can buy your toilet paper, your dish soap, your laundry detergent on Amazon, and it'll show up in two days.
ben jaffe
What about the small internet vendors?
suzanne santo
It's not that tailored.
Sometimes there's intricate vitamin supplements or whatever, but for the most part, it's the...
ben jaffe
Yo, I'm good.
No, no, no, I'm massaging my chest.
joe rogan
This show is out of fucking control.
ben jaffe
But this is kind of the weird stuff I'm talking about.
unidentified
Are you touching your nipples?
I don't know if Amazon's bad, but I'm not inclined.
suzanne santo
We don't know what's going to happen.
joe rogan
We're fine.
unidentified
We're amongst friends.
suzanne santo
How are we going to get home?
ben jaffe
We're amongst friends.
unidentified
We're amongst friends.
Jesus Christ, relax.
ben jaffe
I don't know.
Maybe it was too much of a question.
suzanne santo
Wait, can I go back to Amazon?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
suzanne santo
I think Amazon is amazing.
Super convenient.
It kind of takes a little dig at the big business for convenient purposes.
If you have Prime, you can get all this shit in two days.
But it's not like you can get an intricate, tailored item that you need for the most part.
ben jaffe
Sure.
I guess that makes sense.
joe rogan
I don't necessarily think it cuts out business as much as it grows their business and they're very efficient and it's convenient for people.
ben jaffe
But they kind of have a monopoly on the, like, we're going to ship shit for you thing.
joe rogan
Well, do they have a monopoly on it?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't think they do.
I think a lot of people sell things online.
They're just really good at figuring out that you can make it super convenient in one click.
I mean, they're one of the few companies that started that, right?
ben jaffe
Here's why I think it's a monopoly, though.
And this is just for me.
Can you think of one other company that does the same thing?
joe rogan
You're on Amazon.
They sell your shit on Amazon.
Oh, shit.
suzanne santo
Wait, how much are they selling that for?
I think it's on sale.
unidentified
Oh, no.
suzanne santo
Shit.
joe rogan
They just dropped the price.
Why are you talking shit?
suzanne santo
Amazon dropped the price.
ben jaffe
It's a great service.
Very convenient.
unidentified
I'll show you, bitch.
Smack.
ben jaffe
I think...
suzanne santo
Hey, P.S., I love Amazon.
ben jaffe
Very thankful to them.
joe rogan
I love Amazon, too.
suzanne santo
I'm kind of...
I get like...
If I get drunk at night, like...
joe rogan
Ben's not a big fan of Amazon.
unidentified
Just kidding.
suzanne santo
I will just order shit on Amazon like a jerk.
ben jaffe
Just ask me questions.
suzanne santo
What are you asking?
Do you have a question?
ben jaffe
No, I did.
I already asked it.
Anyway.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's nothing wrong with it.
They're just the best at it.
They're great.
Order.
They send you your shit.
Sorry if you can't keep up.
ben jaffe
Yeah, but now there's Alibaba.
So that might change shit.
joe rogan
What's that?
ben jaffe
Alibaba is like the Amazon...
suzanne santo
Yeah, I don't know what this is either.
ben jaffe
Okay, Alibaba...
Let's do this.
suzanne santo
How do I not know something that you know?
joe rogan
I've heard about Alibaba because I was passing.
This is how much I think life is a simulation.
I was passing by this newspaper rack and there's this dude and it was like, Alibaba now worth more than Google, Facebook, Apple.
ben jaffe
Biggest publicly traded company in the world.
joe rogan
I think.
And I was walking by and I was like, what the fuck am I doing?
What is this?
What am I looking at?
What the fuck is Alibaba?
unidentified
That was Pete Townsend's side project.
joe rogan
What is Alibaba?
ben jaffe
As far as I understand it, it's...
suzanne santo
The movie Aladdin.
joe rogan
Do you know?
brian redban
Alibala?
ben jaffe
Sorry.
joe rogan
That startup that made unbelievable tons of money.
ben jaffe
It's like an Asian equivalent of Amazon.
They facilitate businesses trading with consumers.
brian redban
Yeah, I know what it is.
joe rogan
So it's like Amazon for China?
brian redban
What you do is you're hiring companies to do things for you.
So if you want a thousand wallets with your face on it, you can get a company to do that.
ben jaffe
I don't think it's a manufacturer.
brian redban
No, no, they just, it's like a directory of manufacturers.
ben jaffe
Or like a distribution network.
suzanne santo
Middleman, okay.
ben jaffe
Yeah, and it's basically, it's similar to Amazon, but it's just gotten so big, and because China is such a huge marketplace, it just went global, and it's, at least at the time that it was going out, the biggest globally traded company, or was going to be, on the precipice of that.
joe rogan
Wow.
When you think about the numbers of people too, the Asian market is like, think about how many people are in China.
It's like a billion plus, right?
ben jaffe
1.6 billion.
joe rogan
Oh my god, is it that high?
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that real?
ben jaffe
Six billion?
Probably more than that.
joe rogan
So, like, close to a million, like, say, two hundred, like, one point, a billion, two million.
ben jaffe
A thousand million plus another six hundred million.
Sorry, six hundred thousand million.
joe rogan
More than what we are.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's insane.
Because we're at 350 million, right?
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Just think about how many goddamn people that is.
suzanne santo
It's bad, isn't it?
joe rogan
No.
What's bad?
ben jaffe
You're fine.
suzanne santo
I'm having a moment with Jamie.
ben jaffe
Just stop and think.
joe rogan
Think about how many more.
ben jaffe
Am I being a dick?
suzanne santo
No, I love you guys so much.
joe rogan
Everybody's good.
Just think about the numbers.
Think about how many Chinese folks there are.
And then add that to Asian folks.
That's another billion.
Can I drink this?
Yeah, sure.
Have some more.
ben jaffe
Thanks.
joe rogan
Think about that.
suzanne santo
Asian folks.
What's going on?
ben jaffe
That's a lot.
joe rogan
Asian folks like China...
India.
India is another billion, right?
ben jaffe
Mm-hmm.
Close to it.
Yeah.
unidentified
Fucking dude.
ben jaffe
Japan.
Indonesia.
You know, that whole area.
unidentified
God damn, that's a lot of people.
ben jaffe
It's amazing, though.
It's really...
Man, it's exciting.
suzanne santo
Have you been...
When was the last time you were in Japan?
joe rogan
We are a swarm.
unidentified
We're a swarm on this planet.
joe rogan
We're a swarm.
There's billions of us.
suzanne santo
You were like this when you did it.
unidentified
We are a swarm.
joe rogan
I was trying to be like Wonder Woman.
I was thinking strong Linda Carter.
suzanne santo
Again, we're all this together.
We're all the fucking swarm bees and beehive.
joe rogan
We're a swarm.
suzanne santo
I'm breaking the honey.
joe rogan
There's a lot of us.
suzanne santo
I know.
You knew that was coming.
unidentified
No, I didn't.
suzanne santo
No, come on.
So, it's the low-hanging fruit.
I mean, that was obvious.
joe rogan
There is a fucking lot of us.
suzanne santo
There sure is, Joe.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, there's still plenty of space.
Don't get me wrong.
suzanne santo
Which is why some of us, us good friends, should band together, live in a commune.
joe rogan
Are you calling cult already?
suzanne santo
I'm just saying, I want in.
joe rogan
It starts out you call it a commune.
suzanne santo
We want in on your chickens and your hunting excursions.
joe rogan
The police call it a cult.
ben jaffe
Chickens.
This is all this chicken conversation.
unidentified
Oh my god.
Farm fresh eggs every morning.
Hello.
joe rogan
I think that would be like one of the best things you could do other than plant vegetables.
Plant vegetables is equally satisfying.
It's a beautiful thing.
suzanne santo
Do you plant your own vegetables?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's cool.
suzanne santo
No.
ben jaffe
To be able to pull vegetables out of the ground.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't do enough of it.
I would like to do all of my vegetables, like planted garden vegetables.
I just think that would be the coolest thing, to have a complete, direct relationship with all the food you eat.
ben jaffe
That would be amazing.
joe rogan
We're missing that, right?
suzanne santo
So, like, if you eat a chicken, are you like, thank you, Harriet, the chicken, for your faithful duty of fulfilling our dietary needs?
joe rogan
No.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
I just go lizard.
suzanne santo
You eat lizards?
joe rogan
No, I just go lizard part of the brain.
suzanne santo
Is that like shrimping out mentally?
joe rogan
No, if you're going to kill a chicken, you just go lizard.
You can't have a lot of compassion.
suzanne santo
Oh, I see, I see.
You know what, I can hang, honestly, as far as the spirit animal connections go, chickens don't feel connected to them.
unidentified
Cows, pigs, goats, I feel it.
joe rogan
It's a different thing with mammals.
suzanne santo
I don't want to, oh yeah.
joe rogan
You know, chickens are weird.
They're dinosaurs.
They're a strange bird that probably doesn't make sense.
suzanne santo
They don't look into my soul.
joe rogan
They don't fucking fly.
ben jaffe
We're keeping them around.
We're the reason they're around.
joe rogan
Yeah.
suzanne santo
What are we looking at?
joe rogan
Why are you putting a picture?
brian redban
You're looking at the time.
joe rogan
Why are you doing that?
brian redban
So if you wanted to play another song.
suzanne santo
We don't have to play another song.
ben jaffe
We could just talk.
joe rogan
Brian, don't worry about it, buddy.
suzanne santo
We're talking about chickens.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're just having fun.
suzanne santo
And their souls.
This is what happens after we light up a joint.
Chickens and cows and goats.
unidentified
There's so many differences in their spiritual connectivity.
ben jaffe
We're going now.
You got it.
You painted the picture.
suzanne santo
You dared me to smoke the gunge.
This is what you get.
ben jaffe
Susie, Susie, it's okay.
suzanne santo
Try his job.
This is bad, isn't it?
ben jaffe
No, it's fine.
joe rogan
We're talking about virtual farms.
unidentified
Joe, I have a question.
joe rogan
Ben, please, give your hand up.
You guys are in class today.
unidentified
Thank you for calling me.
joe rogan
Keep raising your hands.
ben jaffe
This is like Lord of the Flies in here, dude.
Someone's gotta pass the bone.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Lord of the Flies?
suzanne santo
Jesus, Ben.
unidentified
Violent, Ben.
ben jaffe
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Jesus.
ben jaffe
That's not what the whole book was about, man.
joe rogan
Eventually, it was about violence.
ben jaffe
Okay, that's that story.
We're making our own.
suzanne santo
It's so dark.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
It's getting dark.
joe rogan
I want to say Lord of the Flies.
ben jaffe
I still have my question.
I'm sorry.
suzanne santo
If you had a Lord of the Rings reference, I would have been more excited.
But you had to go with Flies.
joe rogan
Sorry.
ben jaffe
I'm sorry, guys.
Vegetables.
What you're growing in your garden, is it native to here?
suzanne santo
Good question.
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
suzanne santo
He's such a thinker, Benjamin.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good question.
It is.
What is, if you're going to grow lettuce, what's lettuce, like a regular romaine lettuce?
What's that native to?
ben jaffe
I have no idea.
brian redban
North America.
ben jaffe
Romania.
brian redban
I mean, we grow it in Ohio.
joe rogan
Right.
I mean, it's just a regular North American plant.
suzanne santo
I don't think it's a desert plant.
brian redban
I don't think the weather doesn't have to be...
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
brian redban
You know, it could just be...
You just need to have sunlight.
ben jaffe
Guys, we got Google.
brian redban
That's all I'm saying.
There's some crops that need more sunlight.
joe rogan
That should be a fucking t-shirt.
ben jaffe
That should be a t-shirt.
joe rogan
Will you stand there like this?
suzanne santo
Guys, we got Google.
joe rogan
Guys, we got Google.
unidentified
That's all I'm saying.
joe rogan
That's all I'm saying.
ben jaffe
No, I don't want to align myself to that brand.
unidentified
That's a shirt.
joe rogan
That's a meme, bro.
It's going to happen.
unidentified
Now you're going to meme.
ben jaffe
Remember I got memes last time?
suzanne santo
Ben Jaffe's getting memed.
ben jaffe
Fuck.
suzanne santo
Put your finger back up like that.
unidentified
It was great.
joe rogan
You are memed the fuck.
unidentified
Somebody freeze-creamed that.
joe rogan
You memed the fuck on here, son.
It's very important you get memed there.
ben jaffe
Because you're saying it.
It's not going to happen.
That's how it works.
joe rogan
That's not how it works.
I don't know how it works.
No one knows how it works.
unidentified
We don't know.
Last time it was Butter My Scone.
joe rogan
Butter My Scone?
ben jaffe
I think we should play a song.
suzanne santo
Okay.
ben jaffe
Unless it's not...
suzanne santo
Which one do you want to...
unidentified
Well, Joe?
joe rogan
Please.
suzanne santo
Do you want us to play a song?
joe rogan
Anything.
Ben, what should we play?
ben jaffe
We were trying to figure this out before.
suzanne santo
Do you want ballad or non-ballad?
joe rogan
I want whatever you guys want to play.
unidentified
Fuck.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Fuckity fuck.
suzanne santo
You want a paper, rock, scissors?
ben jaffe
For what?
What's the choices?
suzanne santo
I'll be ballad, and you'll be, um...
ben jaffe
No, what are the songs?
suzanne santo
Oh, oh, oh, oh, Burned Me Out and Bad People.
ben jaffe
I think we should do Burn Me Out.
I think it's a beautiful song.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Is it possible to make a request for any time in the future?
ben jaffe
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Could you do Let's Get Wrecked?
suzanne santo
Oh, shit.
ben jaffe
Yeah, we could do that.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
They double, oh, shit.
suzanne santo
Well, that's going to be, I mean, can we put that on ice for a second?
joe rogan
For a second?
suzanne santo
Yeah, because...
joe rogan
Yeah.
suzanne santo
We don't have the necessary instruments.
We could do an acoustic version.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not asking you to bring in a band.
suzanne santo
But it's not as good as the other stuff that we had prepared.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
ben jaffe
I think we could do a cool one.
suzanne santo
Alright.
I'm not playing guitar, though.
unidentified
No, no.
ben jaffe
I'll do that.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm so scared.
I have no idea what you guys are arguing over.
That's what I love about being musically...
suzanne santo
But I'm fine.
joe rogan
If you don't...
Listen, if you guys are more comfortable doing something else, please don't listen to me.
ben jaffe
Let's do Burn Me Out.
suzanne santo
Well, now I feel like a dick.
ben jaffe
You don't have to do that.
joe rogan
No, no, don't.
I don't want to put you on the spot.
That's not fair.
suzanne santo
Damn it, Joe.
We just want you to be happy.
joe rogan
I'm happy already.
suzanne santo
You got me stoned.
joe rogan
We can stop this thing right now.
suzanne santo
Shit's weird.
I put my glasses on.
joe rogan
We can end this shit before it gets ugly.
And we'll all be happy.
suzanne santo
Okay.
Okay, so, fuck.
Judges?
joe rogan
Play whatever you want, please.
Whatever you guys want to want.
ben jaffe
Go ahead.
joe rogan
Any song that's in your head right now.
Ben, what's in your head?
unidentified
What's in your head, Ben?
suzanne santo
Let's do Burn Me Out.
Do we have four minutes?
Burn Me Out.
Is it a four-minute song?
joe rogan
Don't worry about this fucking stupid clock.
suzanne santo
Ben, I can see your ankles.
ben jaffe
That's what they look like.
joe rogan
Ride that bitch.
ben jaffe
It's a heartbreaking song.
joe rogan
Ride into the rocks.
suzanne santo
Come on, stop.
ben jaffe
No, it is.
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
We're going to ride this boat into the rocks, kids.
suzanne santo
Okay.
This is called Burn Me Out.
joe rogan
WJRE. Late night.
You creeper.
unidentified
710 Pacific.
suzanne santo
It's weird if I have a boner.
joe rogan
Honey, honey.
Yeah, you're a girl.
unidentified
What the fuck?
suzanne santo
Come on, Joe.
Just go with it.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Ben, Suzanne.
suzanne santo
Oh, that sounds weird.
ben jaffe
Jesus.
unidentified
Thank you.
suzanne santo
Let's check that out.
ben jaffe
Hold on.
suzanne santo
Why don't you use the tuner on that amplifier?
ben jaffe
Excellent.
unidentified
Look, guys, don't say I never had a good idea.
joe rogan
What kind of wonky-ass nonsense bullshit type...
suzanne santo
So, no, but seriously, let's take an opportunity to say that we're going on tour and we really, really want to see you guys, whoever is listening, if you're in the cities, on our website.
joe rogan
Yes.
suzanne santo
They're posted on our website.
joe rogan
And what's that website, Suzanne?
suzanne santo
HoneyHoneyBand.com HoneyHoneyBand.com We're going to be in Texas, in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Louisiana, California.
HoneyHoneyBand.com We're going to be in the state of your mom's house.
brian redban
The YouTube video might, just so the audio listeners will be...
joe rogan
Ustream.
brian redban
Yeah, Ustream.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ustream.
If you give out on me, I understand.
You weak-ass bitch.
You can only do three hours.
suzanne santo
Have we been doing a podcast for three hours?
Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Ustream is strong.
They're going to hang in there.
I feel this.
suzanne santo
This is a new ballad.
joe rogan
I feel this.
suzanne santo
Hopefully it'll be on our record.
If not, you'll have it here forever.
ben jaffe
Here it is.
suzanne santo
Okay.
It's called Burn Me Out.
unidentified
Yeah.
piano plays softly
piano plays softly
my fingers on your floor that night and I lost my faith in my own breath Who knew that love could feel like death?
But it's not your concern And all I really learn Is all your roundabout All men they burn me You say that God knows the way But
suzanne santo
I'm standing in the dark I soaked you up You rung me out here on a line Messing up my time in the park Oh,
but it's not your concern Oh man, they burned me out.
unidentified
It don't feel good this goodbye, but bye and bye will go.
Oh.
Oh.
I won't put it all on you.
Oh.
I am well aware that I caused us trouble too.
And I won't look back on you with anger.
No, I won't.
Even if you do the same or if you don't.
Oh.
but it's not your concern Cause all your rounds are roundabouts Oh man,
suzanne santo
they burn me out They just burn, burn me out Alright.
joe rogan
That was fucking cool.
That was fucking cool.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
You guys are awesome.
unidentified
You're awesome, Joe.
joe rogan
It's so cool to be friends with you guys, for real.
suzanne santo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I'm so goddamn impressed.
I just love when I see someone, like when I see...
like a band that like taps into this weird like very consistent kind of special energy that comes from like songs that just flow your songs like your songs are so like representative of you guys you know it's weird knowing you guys as friends and then like seeing your writing and seeing the music and the singing together and seeing like the new songs being created it's really fascinating it's so weird I have no skill musically or talent or knowledge or
nothing.
suzanne santo
Stop that.
unidentified
That's not true.
That's not true at all.
joe rogan
That's 100% true.
No, I'm telling you.
So when I see someone who can sing and people who can put music together, fascinating shit, man.
That was awesome.
suzanne santo
Thanks, man.
Thanks for having us.
joe rogan
Anytime.
Anytime.
You guys are the shit.
unidentified
This is awesome.
joe rogan
To this day, only band I've ever worked with.
We would never work with anybody else.
brian redban
Well, Everlast.
joe rogan
Oh, but never on the road.
Never for a show.
We've talked about doing it.
That would be the shit.
You guys, Everlast, Joey Diaz.
suzanne santo
We love to go on the road.
ben jaffe
I feel like it's a lot like comedy, or stand-up at least.
I don't know.
I've never done stand-up, but I just feel like performing, it's kind of the same.
Energy or idea, you know?
joe rogan
I mean, I think it's all like whatever the fuck you're trying to get out of you through whatever medium, whether it's playing the violin or doing stand-up.
It's all what's trying to get out of you.
Whether it's building a house, whether it's fucking putting a car together.
When people do things, they're trying to express something about their own curiosity and creativity is trying to put something together so they can show it to other people and go, look!
Look!
Whether it's, you know, creating a book or creating an idea that turns into a song, that turns into a hit, that turns...
It's like we're trying to get something.
We're like, look at that, look, look, look, look.
Look, I found this.
I found this in the other dimension.
Dimension of creativity.
I brought it back.
Look, look, look, look, look.
All you have to do is you sit down by yourself and you tune in.
You just got to tune in and you write everything down and you figure it out and then you practice it and look, look, look what I got now.
I mean, that's what you're doing.
That's what anybody who's creating anything, whether they're creating a movie, they're figuring out how to, like, go deep in the imagination and, like, pull something out of their fucking head and hold it up for you.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
And what's so cool?
unidentified
Sorry.
No, I'm serious.
ben jaffe
I was into that.
joe rogan
You just blacked out, son.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
We lost each other.
I blacked out, too.
I don't remember my last words.
ben jaffe
I'm with you, my friend.
joe rogan
I'm with you too, but I don't know why.
I'm just unity.
Stay together.
ben jaffe
Yeah, let's do it.
joe rogan
Stay to the road.
Stay off the moors.
ben jaffe
Stay alert, stay alive.
suzanne santo
What did you call me?
ben jaffe
I said stay alert, stay alive.
suzanne santo
Did you call me Susan?
ben jaffe
No, I said Susan all the way.
joe rogan
That's my new tattoo, Susan all the way.
Yes!
Oh my god!
That should be a trend.
Hashtag.
If you're thinking about doing that, I'm fucking kidding.
Don't get that tattooed.
ben jaffe
Jesus Christ.
suzanne santo
If you do, you and I are going to spend some time together.
ben jaffe
Whoa, Jesus.
suzanne santo
Just kidding.
That's pretty...
unidentified
There was way too big of a gap between what you said and the words.
joe rogan
Just kidding.
suzanne santo
I'm drunk and a little stoned.
joe rogan
The gap was giant.
That gap was too big.
It was too great.
suzanne santo
That was fun.
We should drop what I just said.
unidentified
We're fine.
ben jaffe
We're together.
unidentified
We're all friends.
Whatever.
ben jaffe
I'm just going to keep forcing ahead with this.
I don't know when we stop.
suzanne santo
I think we're supposed to stop.
ben jaffe
We're talking about all this.
unidentified
We're talking about this.
joe rogan
Whatever we want.
This is the internet.
ben jaffe
What you just said about the well of creativity.
The exciting point to me about that is it's all the same thing.
It's the same well.
And the only difference then is just some sort of technical aspect.
Did you learn to do stand-up?
Did you learn to play the guitar?
Did you learn to make movies?
It doesn't make a difference.
You know, that's just...
joe rogan
Like what the path of your creativity flows through.
Yeah.
Whether it's your painting, or whether it's your music, or whether it's your, whatever it is, the path of your creativity, whatever it flows through.
ben jaffe
Yeah, and it's like a raw technical element and that's it.
So what really matters is where you're coming from, from that well perspective, you know?
joe rogan
Maybe, but the other thing is that I feel like certain people are just drawn to certain type of activities, certain disciplines, certain things.
And when they resist that, there's huge issues with humans.
ben jaffe
Totally.
That's exactly what we were talking about earlier.
And it's like a huge loss of confidence for people.
suzanne santo
Creative suppression.
joe rogan
You feel bad.
It's bad.
You feel like...
It's almost like there's a just grand puzzle going on.
And you're just kind of going towards what's pulling you.
And is it healthy that it's pulling you in this direction?
Examine it.
Figure it out.
Figure out what it is.
And if you resist it, because you go, well, it's not a sure thing.
Or it's not...
suzanne santo
How do you feel about conformity, then, in that respect?
Like, you being Joe, you know, and then you're in certain social settings or whatever, do you, you know, are you malleable?
Can you change into a way that, like, you're like, yeah, I'm with this crowd, or...
joe rogan
Oh, I can talk to anybody.
I can sit in a room full of born-again Christians and have a friendly conversation with them.
I probably couldn't have a decade ago.
But somewhere along the line, I've realized it doesn't matter if you're right or I'm right.
It's not a fucking game.
Okay, and so instead of quantifying it as a game, which is like a thing that guys love to do, we love to do it.
We want to be right.
ben jaffe
I think just people love to do it.
joe rogan
People love to do it, but guys specifically.
suzanne santo
God, that makes me feel better.
joe rogan
Guys like to fucking win arguments, you know?
It's a barbarian thing.
It's some fucking weird, you know, pub sword fight shit left over from the fucking dark ages.
suzanne santo
I don't know if it's a gender-specific thing.
I think sometimes you just want to connect with people.
It's not so much about dudes or ladies.
I used to feel really guilty about being able to conform so easily because I love everybody.
I can hang out all the time and then I was like, did I just exploit myself or exploit parts of myself to fit in here?
You know what I mean?
But at the same time, I think it's okay to just have accessible aspects of yourself to connect with people.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
I mean, are you going to occasionally run into the wrong people?
suzanne santo
But I don't think that's like a male...
I think that's across the board.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, that's across the board.
I agree.
Especially the way you just said it.
ben jaffe
I think, I don't know, being argumentative or like driving towards conflict.
joe rogan
Men are, women are, we all are, right?
It's not really gender dependent.
But I think there's an extra sort of dominator trait that a lot of men tend to have that want them to win arguments.
suzanne santo
Look, I'm going to win this podcast.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
How do you win it?
suzanne santo
I'm just saying.
I'm feeling like the dominant one.
ben jaffe
Guys, guys.
suzanne santo
I'm on top.
joe rogan
We'll allow that.
ben jaffe
I feel like we're all winning this podcast.
joe rogan
I like the way you talk.
You're like a fucking politician.
suzanne santo
God, you're such a peaceful lover.
joe rogan
I got a new name for you.
I got a new name for you.
This is what you just did.
It's Cheesus.
Cheesus.
ben jaffe
In queso emergency.
In queso emergency.
joe rogan
You're the cheesy savior.
You're Cheesus.
ben jaffe
Pray for Cheesus.
suzanne santo
Do you know who told us that joke?
ben jaffe
In queso emergency.
suzanne santo
Ben's mother.
Swear to God.
joe rogan
Jesus?
suzanne santo
Vivian Jaffe.
joe rogan
She told you the Jesus joke?
ben jaffe
She told me...
suzanne santo
Say it again.
joe rogan
I swear to God, I thought I was making that up.
suzanne santo
No, Ben...
joe rogan
Have you guys heard that before?
Is there a Jesus joke?
The cheesy Jesus?
suzanne santo
Yes!
Listen, Ben's going to tell you right now.
Ready?
joe rogan
This is the mom from Wisconsin?
ben jaffe
This is the Jesus joke.
joe rogan
Oh.
ben jaffe
In queso emergency, in queso emergency, pray for Jesus.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Come on!
I'm sorry, but that is an acceptable racial, not racist joke.
suzanne santo
I feel like we should go out with that.
joe rogan
I don't feel like there was any anger involved in that joke.
I feel like it was all done in the spirit of love and the reality of the way some motherfuckers talk.
It's not bad.
The way they speak English is better than the way I would speak Spanish.
ben jaffe
And my mom is half Ecuadorian.
joe rogan
Amazing fact.
ben jaffe
We're even safer now, Joe.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
unidentified
Did you guys think our friendship would go to the next level on this podcast?
joe rogan
It has, and I knew it.
I knew it would.
How dare you?
suzanne santo
No, I wasn't doubting.
I was just like, wow.
joe rogan
This is the least musical and most silly of all the podcasts we've ever done.
suzanne santo
Do you think our friends will still like us when we leave here?
unidentified
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
If they don't, it's on them.
suzanne santo
You're right.
joe rogan
What did we do that's so horrible?
We had some fun.
What did we do?
We had a few good friends, had a bunch of laughs together.
unidentified
What did we do?
suzanne santo
We had a potential air raid.
joe rogan
Air raid?
suzanne santo
I heard jets.
joe rogan
Apparently, I googled it.
There was a jet that invaded the airspace.
suzanne santo
No shit!
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
Russia.
joe rogan
Or a plane.
Some sort of a plane.
brian redban
That was 2013. Should I stop picking fights?
Yeah, it was just because Obama's in town.
joe rogan
Incorrect.
I just Googled it and looked at the first one.
I didn't even look at the date.
I was trying to participate in the conversation.
ben jaffe
You don't think there's going to be smoldering...
joe rogan
2013, that's what happened.
Do you want to find out about the 2013 event, which I was accidentally referencing?
suzanne santo
Joe, why do you have to do shows after this?
joe rogan
Because the ball keeps rolling.
unidentified
You gotta keep rolling.
suzanne santo
It's impossible not to.
joe rogan
If you don't snooze, you lose.
That's Brian.
DJ Redband.
suzanne santo
Are you spinning some shit over there?
joe rogan
Well, sorry.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
HoneyHoneyBand.com Uh uh uh uh uh uh.
Is that where they should go?
ben jaffe
Yes, sir.
suzanne santo
Honeyhoneyband.com.
unidentified
Also Twitter and Facebook.
ben jaffe
Honeyhoney.com.
joe rogan
Twitter.
unidentified
Facebook.
ben jaffe
Was a porn site.
suzanne santo
Used to be a porn site.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
suzanne santo
A good porn site?
ben jaffe
Boom.
joe rogan
Or like a beekeeper fetish?
suzanne santo
I would call it...
joe rogan
Was it a beekeeper fetish?
unidentified
Weird.
ben jaffe
A lot of weird fucking...
suzanne santo
Rudimentary level.
joe rogan
Fucking grabbing.
suzanne santo
There were no bleached buttholes on that site.
unidentified
They were using the fucking beekeepers out there to choke each other.
suzanne santo
I have to stop.
joe rogan
What?
Autoerotic asphyxiation due to gee chokes on beekeepers' outfits?
ben jaffe
My cheeks hurt.
joe rogan
Good collar choke on a beekeeper.
suzanne santo
Is this still going?
The people are listening to this?
joe rogan
This podcast, we can end this right now.
Honey Honey Band on Twitter, Honey Honey Band on Instagram, and of course Facebook.
You guys are the shit.
This was fun.
ben jaffe
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
I enjoyed this.
This was a lot of fun.
suzanne santo
This was really fun.
joe rogan
You guys are always, as always, awesome.
Brian Redman, ladies and gentlemen, deskwad.tv.
Go there, buy some t-shirts, support the deskwad empire, and that's it, you fucks.
Next weekend, I will be in Philadelphia, and I will be in Washington, D.C. Philadelphia on the...
17th, I'll be at the Tower Theater and then the Warner Theater in Washington, D.C. Dirty, dirty, dirty freaks.
So, uh, I'll see you guys soon.
And, uh, we have a lot more podcasts this week, ladies and gentlemen.
Keith Weber!
Anthony Cumia!
It's gonna get crazy.
So, we'll see you soon.
Much love.
Big kiss.
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