Joe Rogan and David Seaman explore how LegalZoom’s $99 LLC service and Nature Box’s $8B+ Bitcoin-inspired snack model reflect capitalism’s efficiency—while also exposing its darker side, like ISPs throttling content or SiriusXM firing Anthony Cumia over racially charged tweets. They contrast North Korea’s confirmed concentration camps (starvation, forced labor) with U.S. surveillance overreach (NSA collecting baby photos), questioning whether tech-driven decentralization—from cryptocurrencies to medical marijuana—can outpace government failures. Ultimately, the episode frames innovation as a double-edged sword: liberating creativity but also amplifying cultural and ideological clashes. [Automatically generated summary]
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Say, please don't be a meathead.
Please start slow.
Please learn the proper form.
If you can, if you can afford it, please hire a personal trainer and see if he'll let you videotape you doing it to make sure you get the idea that you're doing right.
You can do certain exercises by yourself in front of a mirror as long as you have proper form, but proper form is critical to avoid injuries, like back injuries, especially.
You could tweak yourself.
So please build your body up first, like slowly.
Do it the smart.
If you're not a person that works out on a regular basis, don't go crazy.
You want a slow build.
You don't want to break everything down.
Don't feel like you're being a pussy.
Like I only worked out 20 minutes today.
I bet 20 minutes is okay.
If you're not in good shape and you want to throw some kettlebells Around for 20 minutes, that is it.
I'll do a 20-minute workout all day.
I love 20-minute workouts.
People don't think that's enough.
You can get a good workout in 20 minutes.
My point being: if you're a person that doesn't exercise on a regular basis, just slowly get into it.
Don't kill yourself because that's what people do.
They get nutty and they say, I'm going to only drink water, no more soda.
I'm going to fucking run seven miles every morning.
I'm kind of going through this right now where I've been getting back into yoga now that I have a little bit more stability.
And it's weird because after a really intense yoga class, I want to go out and drink or do something unhealthy because I feel like I've done something that was a sacrifice.
You know, you're like, all right, now I can get back to my life.
But if you feel the sacrifice, then you know you're going to fuck yourself over later on by not going for the next three months or stopping whatever you're doing.
Yeah, it's also one of those things, too, that like you, I felt great satisfaction when I'm on a run of like working out where I don't have any breaks, but terrible satisfaction if I've slacked off for like two weeks.
If I go like two weeks without any exercise, I'm like, oh my God, what am I doing?
Like I'm too busy.
This is crazy.
I got to work out.
I'm going to go fucking bananas here.
There's a big difference between how I like I feel like very satisfied.
Like I feel like I'm on a good path when I get a run-in of like six weeks, you know, like six days a week I'm working out.
Fuck, I feel great.
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Don Myrera, it is snarky, snarky, hilarious, best.
He's fucking awesome.
It was really, really fun.
And some funny comics, too.
And some ones that were terrible.
It's great.
It's perfect.
It was a perfect evening for Kill Tony.
Kill Tony's podcast bar pal, Tony Hinchcliffe.
And the podcast is all Tony and Redband and a couple other comics will sit down and then open micers.
Maybe some of them that have never done comedy ever.
They'll go up and they'll do like a minute.
And it's really fun.
It's really cool.
And I think it's the closest thing that Brian does right now that I could see being like a television show.
In fact, I think you're probably better off because it's so good.
I think you're probably better off not doing it as a television show, just producing it for an online series sort of thing, and slowly but surely putting some money into it.
Because I think it's like a show, dude.
When I sat down in it, you know what I felt like?
I was like, this could easily be a Comedy Central show.
Easily.
It's an easy premise to understand.
It's great fun.
You have comics giving advice to some comics and other ones that are just insufferable that you just have to invited me out to one.
Okay, so they've only been doing it for that long.
And every week they do a new minute that the internet gets to listen to.
Fucking incredibly courageous.
Like as far as comedians go, that's incredibly courageous.
For a pro, like a long-term pro, to commit to a minute every week, that would be hard.
Like if someone said, hey, you want to do a new minute every week, I'd be like, ooh, did I put online?
Like sometimes a minute's not ready.
Like I'll try it.
I'm like, this fucking joke's not ready.
Well, guess what?
I'm sorry.
It's very unfortunate, but the only way for it to get ready is I have to tell it a bunch of times, and it's got to eat dick.
It's just got to.
Sorry if you were there when it ate dick.
One day it'll be awesome.
But they don't start out awesome.
They start out in this weird way and they sort of morph and grow.
Well, to be able to do that live on the internet in front of you know a live audience and do a new minute every week, those chicks have fucking some serious chutzpah.
And what's really interesting is that the one girl who also is usually on dysentery with me, Sarah Weinshank, and then Kimberly quit college and she was about to graduate and quit college and started comedy on the show.
So you saw the first set she did all the way up to a year later.
But what's fascinating on both accounts is that, like, they're together.
They mean, what caused her to beat with them?
I mean, both of them are making terrible choices.
You know, she's recording him.
He's completely insane.
It's like you're getting caught up in this whirlwind of cuckooness.
But in her defense, how else would she react if she had a child with this guy and he's screaming and yelling crazy shit like that?
Like you don't, you know, everybody looks at it in terms of like she was mercenary.
And I agree.
She probably was definitely mercenary.
But a guy like that, that's how it works.
If you're fucking 60 years old and you're starting to get old looking and you have this unbelievably hot young Russian chick who's really into you, you should probably suspect something.
You should probably suspect that she's not in love with the way you look.
She's not as attracted to you as you are to her.
You should probably suspect that she knows that you're an incredibly rich guy who made like $300 million or something on the Passion of the Christ, right?
Did you see the video that I posted of the two women stealing some guy's furniture or whatever those things are on the beach when you have like a big tent and you know he caught him?
Yeah, he walked up on him going, excuse me, hey, how are you guys doing today?
And these older women in Florida took all his bags and stuff and they had them all in the middle and then they were taking down his thing and acting like it was theirs and caught him stealing it.
The second he's like, get the fuck away from it, you know, they start coming at him like I'm attacking him.
But if it is real and they were stealing his stuff and then they were beating him up, at what point in time, like if you know those women are criminals, like Brian, let me ask you this.
You're not a violent guy at all.
You're a very friendly guy.
And if you were in a situation like that where your stuff was left out and you came up to it and these old ladies were stealing your stuff and then when you started talking about it, they say, put the camera down and they start hitting on you.
But we are at this person's house, and we were just talking by my car, and the cop pulls up and just comes out and goes, Sirk, Sirk, I need to see your ID.
And I'm just like, this is my house.
And he goes, all right, I don't care.
What are you doing here?
And he just started yelling at me and all this stuff.
And I was just like, come on, what the?
All right, hold on.
I pull out my recorder and I go, what's the problem, officer?
There's also been a lot of incidences lately where I feel like, especially when I'm in my car, I'm like, man, I need to remember to just put my GoPro on in my car and just record everything I'm doing while I'm driving.
Because, I mean, there's been so much crazy shit that's been happening.
Like, I saw a guy jump into traffic the other day and get hit, and I'm like, why did he do that?
Like, I watched him jump into it, like, and he was just a drug addict.
And I don't know what he was doing.
I think he was alive and everything.
I just kept on driving.
I saw a woman shitting.
Like, I think I said, shitting in the middle of the street the other.
Like, I'm like, what?
But I also think, like, especially with these videos that have been coming up, just women attacking.
And, like, Anthony saying that woman said that he was going to, that woman was going to, like, if he called the police, was going to say that he was rape.
She was rape or, you know, attacking her or whatever.
Yeah, the Opie and Anthony thing, if you don't know, our friends, Opie and Anthony, Anthony Kumia, was in New York City, and he was taking photographs, and he got a photograph of a woman.
And this woman got very upset that he took a photograph of her.
So some sort of an altercation took place.
Some words were exchanged, and she started hitting him.
So she was hitting him.
And if you don't know Anthony, you don't know that he's a gun nut, like a legit gun nut who actually has a license to conceal carry in New York City, which is incredibly difficult to obtain.
But here's one strike for people who want people to have guns.
Anthony never pulled out that gun.
Never, I mean, he obviously felt threatened.
He was getting hit by this one woman who Anthony's a nice guy, but he is, you know, 51 years old, loves his drinking, and I don't think he lifts weights that much.
It's not like he's this like big, scary, you know, Quentin Jackson, Rampage Jackson looking dude.
You know, he's a thin guy.
He's not a physically imposing guy, and this chick is beating on him, and he's got a gun on him.
I wasn't there, so obviously I don't know what the tone of the situation was.
I don't know how it got started.
I've read very little about it other than he went on this rampage, calling her an animal and a cunt and all this different shit.
But what's hilarious is everything that he said in this Twitter rampage that they're firing him for, he said on the radio show and they hired him for.
The radio show, if you paid attention to what he said over the years and why he's entertaining and how he says it, he gets crazy about racial situations.
He gets crazy about certain aspects of the African American community and he's done it forever.
And so these things that he said after getting punched that they were surprising to Sirius who had heard him say these things and they gave him checks.
It's kind of hilarious.
And also like one of the things that people are pointing out all over all over the Twitter sphere is they're showing all these lyrics to rap songs that Sirius has aired since Anthony got fired for tweeting.
And the lyrics are ridiculous.
I mean, oh yeah, dude, it's hardcore rap.
They air hardcore rap lyrics.
So they've got, you know, nigga this and shoot suck my dick and this bitch isn't that bitch is.
You know, the craziest, most radical, you know, hip-hop shit.
And yet, Anthony gets in trouble for this thing that he did where he went on this Twitter rampage and said a bunch of shit that he's...
I think what happens is that these companies get really terrified of the Twitter storm that they get.
Like you saw that with, well, you see it all the time with sponsors for Rush Limbaugh, but you see it with, or I believe conservative radio in general, you see it with like Donald Trump had a, I forget what it was, a tie collection or some shit at Macy's.
Then there were all these people on Twitter like tweeting the Macy's account, like don't support him because I don't even remember what the issue was, but once it gets going, the company feels overwhelmed and they're like, we have to respond because a thousand people just retweeted this thing.
And I think they just feel like the best route is the 48 Laws of Power thing where you just put a head on the chopping block and think later.
But then you use iMovie, you switch out the background, and suddenly instead of being in your apartment, you have this subtle background, or maybe it's the city or whatever the fuck it is.
You find something on Flickr, and then people take it a little bit more seriously.
Because you're not just some crazy rambling in your kitchen.
You're like, oh, I see somebody spent a little bit of time on this, and people will watch.
I think now people are kind of, I'm not even a big YouTuber.
I just do it from time to time, but I think people are definitely intimidated by things like The Young Turks, where it's clear that it's more powerful than half the cable shows out there.
I think by their algorithm, this is what the numbers that they've calculated.
It's probably pretty close.
They're probably pretty close.
But why would you want pretty close when you can get absolutely exact?
And that's what the internet offers.
So when they talk shit on like CHANK and like the Young Turks, just look at the numbers.
Look at how many downloads.
You know what that is?
That's real.
That's a real number.
It's not like 15,000 households across the Midwest.
I don't understand the Nielsens at all.
I never understood it.
It's voodoo.
Unless they can accurately...
Every time you watch it at home or you watch it, maybe it's an app that we all wear on their fucking Google glasses or something like that that measures what you're watching so we can all figure it out.
They say they do, but they don't share that information.
They say they know how many people are watching what on satellite, but they can't use it as a ratings thing because it's probably like some NSA type shit.
You're not even supposed to be doing that.
You're not supposed to be monitoring people's viewing habits and find out that they've been ordering dirty debutantes over and over again and clearing their history.
Did you hear about the, there was a thing about Tor where apparently one of the NSA programs actually flags you for further review if you're using Tor.
Yeah, it's kind of weird that preserving your anonymity would automatically put you in this weird bracket.
unidentified
But I guess if you thought about who are the extreme people that would use this that would be dangerous, and how many of the people— I would like to see activists networking out companies dumping pollution.
You'd go, well, you know, it's probably a good pool to look through.
The thing is, like, could I accurately rely on them to look at a guy like David Seaman and go, oh, no, this is actually just a smart young guy who's looking at the world and doesn't like all the bullshit he sees, and he thinks that we can do better.
I get frustrated by seeing stupidity and callousness.
And I think we're seeing like a nice combination of that.
And we're also on the other side seeing progress.
And I'm attracted to progress.
So I'm just trying to like push the ball and, you know, talk about things that I think are actually helping while also reminding people that a lot of this stuff has not been fixed.
I think you're also doing a great service in that you're doing it in this uncensored form through the Internet very courageously.
And you're a part of what's now like this whole there's a and it's all connected in a lot of ways to the new corporations to like Google and these new technological corporations.
They all seem to have an ethic about them that didn't exist in some of the other corporations that we think of, whether it's fossil fuel corporations or car manufacturers or anything along those lines.
We don't think of them as being like professionals.
particularly ethical particularly tolerant but you think about that when it comes to like tech companies like Google is trying and variety these companies like Google especially was uh they're very upset about all this net neutrality shit.
They're very upset about all this possibility that the internet is going to be regulated by the government.
They're going to be able to monitor and track streams and how fast those shit you get.
I was just thinking about this earlier today because I was trying to figure out what is the problem?
Like, how do we get to a place where a company can be...
A company can take advantage of that capitalistic impulse towards constant progress, constant new products, refining, make it more addictive, make it easier to use.
So Twitter, because they're profit focused, that's what they're doing.
And because they're in the right kind of business where they make their money from giving small people a voice.
That's obviously an oversimplification, but that's what Twitter does.
And so that capitalistic thing, that machine works really well in making Twitter better and better, at least for the next couple of years until something better comes along and replaces it.
But then you get companies like the big ISPs or the big cable companies where them getting more and more capitalistically efficient and more ruthless isn't actually helping the rest of us.
It's dragging us down because they're in charge of this thing we all need, the internet.
And if they're only thinking about, oh, we can fuck them over a little bit right here, and then we can implement this and we can have the fast lane for our preferred partners, they're applying that profit motive to something that is completely against the public interest and doing it in a very efficient, influential way.
Like they have lobbyists working on this shit, but it's against the public interest to be like lobbying for polluted water and being like, well, we make more selling polluted water.
Too bad.
You can't do that.
You can't sell people internet access and pick and choose which sites people are going to be able to get the fastest.
That'd be like selling me a newspaper and it's like, oh, half the photos haven't been printed.
If you want those photos to be printed, go to our office and we'll print them out for you.
Yeah, I think that's an interesting way of looking at it.
I think there's probably some of that in there too.
But I think that also, I like to look on the bright side of things.
I think that what I'm seeing from these new tech companies is just more tolerance.
And I think that that tolerance is probably due to the influence of the internet.
And that's probably how they, I mean, look, Google is the internet.
I mean, that's what it's about.
Their whole company is essentially about the internet and now phones.
But the phones are also connected to the internet.
I mean, it's a big part of what they do.
And the ethic of the internet, it seems to be, like the social ethic seems to be evolving way quicker and way stronger than at any time that I can ever remember in cultural history.
I never remember these like big movements, shifts in how people talked and behaved and the words that were accepted and the words that weren't accepted and, you know, and just these giant trends that take place and just wash through culture.
It's because we practice like thought mass correction, which I'm not entirely convinced is a good thing yet.
I still haven't really decided if it's good or bad.
But if you look at that woman who took the flight from London to South Africa and tweeted out that insensitive shit about like, you know, like I hope I don't get AIDS when I land in Africa or something.
But he also, leading up to it, he also used to always talk about statistics about his city in New York and stuff like that, about how, you know, the race issues with that.
And so I think that what he, because he didn't, when he went off, he didn't really say all blacks are this.
You know, he was kind of just talking about the person that attacked him and was a savage, you know, is what he said.
You know what I always say about whenever you see a situation where two people get into a fight?
It's not always just one guy's fault.
Sometimes it's both guys' fault.
Sometimes one, a different person, like if you talked to this guy, it would have never turned into a violent altercation, and maybe you would have walked away shaking hands.
Sorry, man.
No worries, dude.
And another guy talking to the same guy, it might lead to a bloody fistfight.
And it's just a matter of how do you communicate with people?
Who is this woman?
I've been, I was in New York City with this chick that I was dating.
We were walking down the street, and this girl was so nice.
She was so nice.
I mean, she was, she wouldn't be mean to anyone ever.
No mean faces.
She didn't have anything like that in her.
So we're walking and this black couple is walking in the same direction.
And the girl steps in between her and I and pushes this girl that I was with.
Just pushes her.
Move, bitch.
Just move, bitch, because we were walking this way and they were walking towards us.
And I'm going to knock out the girl first because I don't want to have to deal with her while I'm hitting that other guy.
I'm like, this is about to be a fight.
And then that chick just turned and went, white bitches or something along the lines like that.
Some white and walked away and kept going, fortunately.
Because it was like all of a sudden a crit.
But I was like, that was like close to a fist fight for no reason.
And it just happened to be that that chick was black.
It just happened to be the girl that I was with was white and blonde.
But that happens.
There's black assholes out there.
Just like there's white assholes out there.
There's Chinese assholes out there.
That doesn't make me racist.
That makes me scared of people that are assholes.
And they come in all forms, bro.
I grew up in a Boston neighborhood.
There was Jamaica Plain, the place where I lived at before I moved to Newton, which was all cushy and nice.
Jamaica Plain was filled with these Irish savages.
They were dangerous fucking kids.
These dangerous Irish kids.
And if you ran into them, look, it didn't matter what race they were.
It's like, who's a savage?
Those kids were savages.
It didn't matter if they were white or Chinese.
You walk down the wrong street in Chinatown and you run into some crazy Chinese gang that wants to fuck you up.
You're not happy.
I mean, it's not better that way.
There's all sorts of races.
Every race contains savages.
Every race contains assholes.
And the problem is when it's a black person that's getting attacked by a white guy, you got to be real specific that it's that person that's a piece of shit.
And if some other people jumped in, it's them that are pieces of shit.
It's not the whole town.
It's not all black people.
It's not, you know, it's just there's a certain type of person, whether it's white or black or whatever, that's a piece of shit, you know?
And I don't know if it's this lady.
I don't know.
Who knows what happened to her that day?
You know, who knows what happened to her?
Who knows what's going on in her life?
And all of a sudden this guy's taking pictures at her.
I forgot to look to see actually what time it occurred, but I think it was around 2 to 3 a.m. when the Twitter happened.
But, you know, I understand he's, if you looked at his photos on Instagram, he was taking a lot of photos of the city, a lot of photos of cops and construction workers and stuff like that.
I get having a great camera that you're playing, like New York's empty and you're downtown and you're taking photo and a woman's walking in the distance.
Yeah, you're taking her because it's a photo.
It's cool.
But, you know, I don't know what happened here, but what does seem to happen that she did attack him and he didn't have a police or deal with the police.
So this chick is hitting him while he's armed with a deadly weapon.
And then five other people jump in, apparently.
And the whole thing's chaos.
And I would have loved for it to be avoided.
But I think Sirius lost the potential opportunity to engage in a discussion about this, about violence in New York City, about violence in general, people interacting with each other, about interacting on social media, interacting when you're hot with fucking rage and you're just venting and ranting and calling someone a continent animal.
And what is your actual intent?
And what is my job as a representative of your SiriusXM?
Am I allowed to be Anthony?
Or do I have to be Anthony that only thinks like SiriusXM wants me to think and only tweets like SiriusXM wants me to tweet?
I'm saying this is a very tricky situation where the company has to be real careful because part of what you do is you promote free speech and you have a radio show and you have this network that's uncensored.
This network was the coolest thing about Sirius was you could get Howard Stern on it and he could swear.
It was the greatest thing of all time.
Like from now on, he's unchained and Opie and Anthony are unchained and comedy is unchained.
You can hear all my bits.
It's totally uncensored.
They have them on Sirius.
It's beautiful.
So if all of a sudden you decide that you don't like what a guy says on Twitter, so his opinions, which are very similar, that he's voiced on the radio, very similar if not identical, will now be silenced, it gets a little squirrely.
The whole thing is a backlash.
It's a backlash to the racism and or implied racism of his tweets.
You know, look, do I wish that he just went on the radio and explained himself in more than 140 characters?
Yes, because I bet he could have vented the exact same rage the next day with no Twitter thing and people would not have had a problem with it if he said it with his words, if he explained what happened.
There's a real problem with fucking getting out anything super important where you don't want to have any mistakes in how you're being perceived with 140 characters.
You know, you're saying cunt, animal, savage.
You know, he's not talking.
He's writing a bunch of shit down.
So are you mad that he's conveying those thoughts?
Do you not think that he would have those thoughts after this chick hit him?
Do you expect him to be angelic in his approach to violence?
Like, I don't know what you're looking for here.
Because if it's just that you think that what he said is racist, have you ever listened to that show?
Because if you listen to that show, he says shit like that all the time.
Also, if you have a job as a show host or a pundit, you really need to be allowed to say what you want on your social media, even if it kind of damages the nation.
And it's a dangerous person, too, because who knows what percentage of the population that's listening that's unhinged that's been waiting for a guy like you to come along.
But he didn't do that.
You know, what he did is respond to a person who attacked him and then talk in very racial terms about the scenario and he has in the past on the radio show about what it's like to worry about black violence on white people.
Right, but it's an interesting thing, though, isn't it?
When you're looking at someone who doesn't know Anthony, doesn't know the show, doesn't know the backstory, and is responding to, just deciding everything right there, you know, that he's perving, that he's taking a picture of this woman coming up the street and not knowing about all those other pictures that he had taken, and that he is an amateur photographer.
He loves taking pictures.
And a candid photo of a woman walking down the street, she's pretty, and she had long legs, and she had a nice body.
I think it was like they perceived what his words were.
I'm telling you, there's a fucking real problem with saying something like that at 140 characters.
It's stupid.
Like, I've said some dumb shit on Twitter before.
I've had people write full blogs on like one tweet that I had that was like a joke, just a joke tweet.
I get that.
I get that you could decide that, you know, you have a green light to write something.
140 characters doesn't work.
It doesn't work for anything important.
If you really had a situation where you thought your life was in danger or you thought, you know, you were, you know, you were going to go unconscious or you're going to lose your eyesight.
Like apparently he had like spots on his eyes.
Wouldn't you want to hear that?
Like the full version of it?
I think if Anthony just would tell the full version of it on the air and avoid the tweets, none of this would have happened.
He would have been able to express himself the exact same way.
That fucking cunt animal.
He would have been able to say whatever he wanted.
He would have been able to talk in depth about black on white violence, which I'm not saying that's all that exists.
There's plenty of white-on-black violence.
There's plenty.
I'm saying that it exists.
I mean, to pretend it doesn't exist is pretty silly to me.
To pretend there's not black people that will hit white people and rob them, just like to pretend there's not white people Who will hit black people and rob them?
Of course, it exists.
Racism exists.
Violent racism from random people on both sides can and does exist.
So, is he right in saying that it exists from them, or would he have to qualify it first by saying that there's a lot of piece of shit white people out there as well?
If I'm in a position where I cross somebody who's carrying a gun and can defend themselves and hurt me, and their choice is to write angry stuff on Twitter instead of fighting me back, wonderful Gandhi.
I've seen it in real life a few times, and it's terrifying.
I saw in real life once in Hollywood, there was a moment in front of the comedy store.
We're all hanging out.
It was after a show.
And this guy and this other guy got in this argument.
And there was traffic going by, and they're right in front of the House of Blues, which is directly across the street from the comedy store.
And in the middle of this argument, there's back and forth, and it's a white guy and a black guy.
And you see them start to swing at each other.
And the white guy goes into a full panic.
All I remember is this guy, like, standing, like, wincing his eyes and flailing with his hands.
Like, literally had, it was just in full panic.
And this black guy is, I see him hit him, and I see cars go in front of it.
And I don't know what happened.
I just, I know that they're hitting each other because the white guy was flailing, but I don't see the connection.
And then the car goes back, you know, the car passes, and the guy's flat out cold on the concrete, just in serious trouble.
He's in the street.
There's cars going by.
He's in a fight with a guy and he's completely unconscious.
And everybody's screaming.
There's cars honking.
And this guy's out cold on the street.
That guy could die easy.
And again, let me tell you something.
A woman can do that to you, just like a man can do that to you.
If you don't think that there's women out there that can punch you in the face and knock you unconscious, it's because you've never been punched by a woman.
There's a lot of women that can punch really fucking hard.
You know, see these snacks?
That's my friend Miriam.
Miriam Nakamoto.
She's an eight-time world Muay Thai champion.
She beat a man in a kickboxing bout.
She's beautiful.
She's a nice person.
She makes snacks now.
But if that chick punches you in the face, you're fucksvil.
You know, like for real.
Like a regular guy who doesn't know how to fight, she'll beat the fucking brakes off you.
It's not good.
So he doesn't know anything about this girl.
And if the girl starts teeing off on him with left and rights and she's got like precision punching, guess what?
You're going to go unconscious.
So should you applaud him for not pulling out his gun?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You shouldn't pull out a gun in that situation and he did the right thing.
Anthony's starting his compound show this week, though, so that's going to be interesting because I don't know if he has a lawyer, if he said he was going to lawyer up, but what if he can talk about and what he can't talk about?
Well, I'm pretty sure he could probably talk about the incident.
That he could talk about.
No one can keep you from talking about a person attacking you.
How could they keep you from doing that?
Any person that could keep you from doing that is not a person you want to be associated with.
They fire you for that?
Good.
Imagine someone keeping you from talking about you being attacked, Like your own personal experience, how he expresses himself is entirely up to him.
I think we'll probably get a more balanced view of it now than when it happened.
You know, I think he's probably going to take into consideration all the heat and the bullshit and the time that's elapsed and the emotions that have relaxed and the tension that's relaxed, the sting of the punches, and he'll be able to look at it and give you a funny assessment of it.
But the show will just be better if they go on the internet.
It's like the amount of people that don't have iPods or iPhones or can't get their phone to stream through their radio, it's come almost everybody now.
It's really close, you know?
I mean, especially if you're commuting, if you're getting on subways and shit like that, it's actually better than having some sort of a satellite that sends it to you.
And you can get it whenever you want.
You could pause it.
You could listen whenever you want.
It's just a better medium, you know?
And don't get me wrong, I have three cars that have Sirius satellite radio.
I love it.
It's great.
I love the fact that I could flip through the shit and listen to new music.
I love that I can get on the classic vinyl station and listen to all classic rock because I'm old as fuck.
What if this would have happened if that serious just instead took a different route?
Because, you know, they bitch about their studio and how horrible it is and stuff like that.
What if they could just send it in?
Like kind of what Joe Rogan experience does to them.
Right, right, right.
But what if, would they still be as upset if he did all this Twitter rampage, if he just had a send-in show where they had their own staff, their own employees, their own sponsors, and they just send it in?
Like, you got an old guy who's known for saying racial shit.
He tells his girlfriend she can fuck black guys, just don't take pictures with them.
And all you can focus on is the picture part.
He's letting her fuck black guys.
And you guys are going to fine them.
Right?
2.5 million?
That's ridiculous.
The highest amount.
Oh, it seems reasonable.
Yeah, he told her don't take pictures of black guys.
What an asshole.
You can fuck them, though.
They leave that out.
They totally leave that out.
Why would he leave that out?
Because you can't bring it up.
Imagine that was you and you were the commissioner of the NBA and you had to explain to people and you were like, look, on the bright side, he's allowing her to fuck black guys.
I don't know what to make of that one either because it seems like this goes back to what you were saying about how, you know, to get into an altercation or something, both people kind of need to be involved.
And you don't have to be an asshole and say those things.
And if you're going to be an asshole and say those things, you have to be aware that if you're also prominent and you own a fucking sports team, people are going to listen to what you say more so than somebody in a trailer saying the same thing on YouTube, right?
Like if you post that in the YouTube comment section, you're not going to see a national uproar, especially if you're not that dude.
But if you're a billionaire and you own a sports team and you're always in the public eye, even if you're old, that's not an excuse for saying racist shit.
I think people are freaking out that he comes across as an asshole, too.
I should have paid her off.
You should have said sorry.
Like, that to everybody is the kind of the character of the old billionaire who represents everything that the average working person kind of despises, right?
This old white guy is saying this shit that really is insensitive at best.
And I can, that's one of the situations where I can see that the media is just manipulating people and it's this like bullshit anger that we're being collectively drawn into.
It seems to me that the intent of what you're saying, like the context and the intent are pretty critical when you release something like that and you get angry and fine someone for something like that.
That was a knee-jerk reactionary response that they took.
Regardless of whether the guy is an asshole, I've heard both ways.
I've heard more that he is than he isn't.
Who knows?
I don't know.
But I don't like it.
I don't think it's cool.
I don't think it's cool that you take this old asshole and do that to him.
And I think he's going to wind up selling the Clippers for like a fucking trillion dollars.
And I also think that it's a situation that merits a serious conversation.
It merits a serious conversation about race, about context, about privacy.
It merits that.
What it doesn't merit is some guy giving some canned speech where he's got this righteous indignation in his voice.
We are going to fine him the maximum amount.
I mean, he's basically running for president or something.
He's got that fake politician thing going on where he's giving this speech.
Totally disingenuous.
The whole thing's goofy.
Like, you're going to, what?
Are you not paying attention to the whole recording?
Why are you focused on the one part?
Don't take pictures of black guys.
They're freaks.
He's letting her fuck guys.
Like, this is not a normal dude.
And he's at home in his bedroom.
Is this real?
Is this a real world where you just find him two and a half million dollars from that?
You guys are assholes.
The whole thing is an asshole organization.
What you should all do is sit down and have a conversation.
Everybody sit down and you go, what happened here?
And he gets a chance to say, well, I was hanging out with this chick and I buy her Ferraris and shit.
I got a fat penthouse for her.
She's my gumad.
I got her on the side.
But she fucks all the black guys.
She takes pictures and my friends stick them in my face mocking me.
So I told her, don't take pictures of black guys, please.
Would you really freak out if someone said that?
He'd be like, well, that's an unfortunate relationship for that poor old billionaire.
And sort of an unfortunate, even more unfortunate relationship for that lovely young lady who has such low self-esteem that she needs this old man to pay for her sex and buy her things.
And that's how she gets by by hustling.
And in the meantime, she hangs out with all these black guys.
Whatever, man.
What do you give a fuck?
This is goofy.
This is a goofy thing for you to be taking up my CNN with.
Over and over and over again, playing it back and forth, and the sorrow details of the Donald Sterling tapes emerge.
Well, that's why I'm so against government overreach because it doesn't start all at once.
And then at one point, that was a new thing for them.
Like, oh, I guess we got this now, right?
And then you grow up and that's just normalcy, even though it's completely insane to everybody else.
That's what this surveillance stuff is, is complete insanity.
And everybody in Europe is pissed off about it.
And here, things have been kind of normalized.
And it's like, well, it has kept us safe.
And the new thing that came out, I think in the Washington Post or the Times, is about how nine out of 10 people that they're grabbing the photos and videos and stuff of are not even the targets.
They're just people being incidentally sucked up.
But when they say like, we're incidentally grabbing their data, it means like really intimate stuff.
Like the video conversations that people have had with their partners are just being stored in databases.
And that's the beginning of, and there was another report that they might be collecting baby photos.
The NSA might be archiving people's baby photos.
That's the beginning of not tomorrow, but maybe in 50 years for sure, some shit like that.
Because that's how it starts, right?
It's like you get to stage one.
Maybe we don't even see stage two in our lifetimes.
But to give people you don't know that kind of power is insane.
And if things go bad, that's when you can justify stage two.
Things are fine now, but look, what if a Katrina-type situation happened?
One of the things that every leader, every great military leader knows is that you must capitalize on opportunities.
And when a tragedy takes place, it's not just a tragedy, but it's also an opportunity for more control.
And it's one of the things that classically people have done throughout time.
And in U.S. history, it's very easy to map.
And it's one of the reasons why conspiracy theories are so rampant when it comes to big crimes like Oklahoma City is because you see a ramp up of the laws afterwards and a lot of people think, well, this was a false flag event.
It was used to justify the ramping off of the laws.
And now they have more control.
Whether or not it was or wasn't, the point being, every time there is some sort of an incident where things go bad, whoever is a power-hungry fuckhead tries to take more control, as if it would have protected them from that situation.
Whether it's the Oklahoma thing, whether it's 9-11, if 9-11 was just an attack and it wasn't just some nefarious plot, I mean it was just some nefarious plot from some overseas people.
It had nothing to do with the United States government.
It doesn't matter.
The United States government still capitalized on it.
Yeah, and introduced all these laws that really, I think, shut down a lot of the innovation we're seeing now, like people speaking freely, podcasts, you know, TV shows where people are really speaking their minds.
All that shit kind of went on ice during the Bush administration.
Like, I hate to be like a Bush hater, but I noticed because I was in high school at the time during the Bush administration.
I was in high school when 9-11 happened, and I noticed the kind of death of vitality.
And people were afraid to be, you don't want to sound like an asshole, right?
Like, everybody was for the Iraq war.
And if you're like, I don't know, like, should we go in there?
People just go, 9-11, have you forgotten?
And they're like, I'm not sure how the two are connected, really.
Like, I'm not sure why.
And some people were saying the same thing, but the overriding thing was you don't want to be against the country at this important time.
And that bullshit lasted for a decade where I'm sure a lot of terrible things happened that we don't even know about yet and might not know about for a while.
And only now are we starting to see like kind of the flowering of independent thought That probably would have happened 10 fucking years ago if it weren't for 9-11 and if it weren't for that crackdown.
Because we had the internet.
We were on the path.
And I feel like all this stuff now, podcasting, could have been in 2004.
It's an economic force where people get employed by companies that pay them way more than they should be paid for what they're doing.
So you get paid $200,000 to design the next drone.
Any other job at your age, you'd be lucky to make $40,000.
So you go into this new world where you don't really belong.
And this is what happened to Snowden from what it seems like.
This young guy gets into this world where he's making far more money than he would otherwise.
All you have to do is buy in.
All you have to do is, I can see this.
I can see spying on everybody constantly because it is keeping us safe.
And I'm making a lot of money.
And if you're the drone designer, I can see this.
So from your little perspective, it's not all that bad.
And you branch out, you zoom out far enough and you see that we're a society that is basically run by an avatar government that starts or at least provokes wars for its own benefit and for very cynical reasons that have nothing to do with what they tell us on TV.
And from there, you go, I can't stop the conveyor belt.
Nobody can.
You know, you can send out 10,000 retweets or a million petitions.
That does not stop the conveyor belt because at the end of the day, that person who's doing whatever they're doing, spying on you or frisking you, they're like, well, I'm not going to be unemployed.
Like, I understand what you're saying, Seaman, on the podcast.
And I understand what the EFF says.
I'm not going to sit at home without a paycheck.
I'd rather just be sifting through people's emails.
And obviously, most people make that choice.
That's a problem with human nature, I guess, is people need money to pay their rent.
And the only solution is to actually change that economic structure.
Like, bye-bye, military-industrial complex.
That's old paradigm shit.
Country-to-country warfare is over.
It's on its way out because we're starting to move toward a different kind of system.
And it's cool for me to watch because it's actually happening.
Like, what I'm talking about is not some thing out in the clouds.
Yeah, it's a strange time in that their ability to do what they're doing, their ability to spy on people, their ability to influence people, their ability to have control over the populace with these tools of surveillance is coinciding with people's ability to communicate their being upset about it.
This is a weird time because in the 60s and 70s, when all that Watergate shit was going down, what voice did a regular person have?
And it's the time to see that this old thing is luckily ending.
Like, I think some people are still caught up in the police brutality outrages that you see on the homepage of Reddit every day and that people are always tweeting.
That stuff's real, and I understand why people are pissed, and I 100% think it's the right move to shame the shit out of those people and always have that fire going.
But that's not the solution.
The solution is that economics are gradually shifting away from the military-industrial thing, and we're shifting into a different economic model.
And that will end this stuff.
Like the spying and the drones and the police brutality, that's what ends it because you just don't have as many cops.
And the cops you do have are more locally financed.
And it's kind of the way it was in some kind of madman utopia that probably never existed, but was a hell of a lot better than what we have right now.
Do you think, is this a war right now where technology and the access that the average person has to information is at odds with this gigantic Neolithic group of corporations that are sort of combining forces to try to slow down the internet?
Is this a battle of good and evil?
fucking internet control, net neutrality, and regulations.
I want your ISP, you little fuck, give me your ISP number.
Whether it's just stopping this tide, this transition.
And so what might happen is some kind of weird feeding frenzy where everybody gets into it at once because increasing values create one of the strongest network effects that we know of as people.
Like you think about how fast Facebook took off.
That was just people like, oh, it's cool that I can casually spy on my friends that I'm in class with.
This is, oh, I now have complete control over my own money and it's appreciating, you know, at a certain rate that beats anything that a traditional bank can offer.
The problem is that these things come and go So frequently, that people don't want to dip their fingers or their feet in the water thinking that it might be the next AOL.
Anyway, the point is that foundation I feel like has made some bad moves.
And aside from that, it's the first one.
So if you look at like CompuServe, they probably won a lot of battles.
We're not using fucking CompuServe to connect to the internet.
So I'm only convinced that the technology will win, not that Bitcoin will win.
So what I do is I own a little bit of Bitcoin.
And again, I'm not rich, so this is like reasonable person money.
I own a little bit of Bitcoin, and I also own a little bit of the three or four currencies after Bitcoin that show the most promise.
And I own enough of each one that should they come in and become the next Bitcoin or the next Litecoin, I'll be really satisfied.
But if they don't come in, it's not the end of the world.
And what I'm doing is when one currency doesn't do anything new for two months or something better comes out, I shift the money into that one.
So my idea is however long this process takes of us going digital to new kinds of money, which is happening, I'll be in at least one of the ones that does well.
And we'll just try to keep, I think at this point, there are already mature brands that will take off.
Do you ever see a point where, you know how you go to the airport and you see the government currency exchange where it's like Australian dollars, Mexican pesos, and it has all the thing, like what the rates are, you know, those things they have at the airport where you can exchange your money.
Do you ever think it's going to come a point where there's so many accepted currencies that we have that on everything?
Like this is what every price is, like it's worth this much of that.
And it's a fluctuating thing.
It's on a, like a, like, you know, some sort of a stock market, sort of a ticker tape type of thing where it fluctuates, because it does fluctuate on a daily basis.
I have some Bitcoin.
It's interesting to watch it go up and down.
Sometimes it's a big jump and sometimes it's a big drop.
Like instead of saying this is 100 bitcoins, it could just be this is 100.
Well, 100 in Bitcoin is 98.
100 in Dogecoin is 101.
You know what I mean?
Like whatever the number is, the value number, you enter it into an app and it'll read out what it is in whatever currency you choose to use.
And since it's all going to be done online and it's all sort of, you know, in hard drives and in space, you could kind of like have as many of them as you wanted.
It's not like if you had a cash register and you're at a store and some asshole comes in with Canadian money and he wants Australian change, you're like, bitch, get the fuck out of here.
I think actually, I mean, it's more software than currency, but everybody calls it a currency.
And if you look at Hollywood Boulevard, they have some of those foreign exchange stands also.
There are a couple of stores you walk in, you trade your, if you're a Chinese tourist, you trade your won for U.S. dollars, then you can shop at, you know, the shops there.
That step is going to go away, not just on Hollywood Boulevard, all over the world.
Think about how cool that is, that now you can travel to any country, walk into their malls, and just pay with a mutually agreed upon currency.
Some of this stuff, you're like, Dogecoin, what the fuck is this?
But out of that, you're starting to see the very beginnings of one of the companies I've been covering is a company that does this legitimately as a product.
They have, I think, 16 or 17 employees, And they build currencies.
That's what they do.
They build currencies.
And if they haven't built it, they find ones that are taking off and support them and mine them and make money off of them.
And so you're starting to see like a more professional kind of environment where there's still a lot of experimentation, but it's starting to be like this is serious business.
And I think it was Citibank said that digital currency by 2020 is going to be like a $10 trillion industry or something insane.
And we got to get from here to there.
And we're already at the year 2014.
So a lot of money gets made over the next six years.
A lot of money gets lost.
And a lot of new stuff gets created that we can't even think of yet.
It seems like the people that are all hedging their bets now, it's almost like they know something's going to happen.
Like they see this bubbling on the surface, like a volcano is about to erupt, but they can't figure out which, where's the mainstream going to come out of?
Black Swan event is the thing like the financial crisis in 08 that takes everybody by surprise and changes everything.
And this is the same deal.
It's like now we have an airplane before we didn't.
What do we do with this airplane?
Oh, let's start.
Let's try to fly to London.
And before you know it, you have commercial airflight.
That's what's going to happen here is people are experimenting.
And before you know it, there's no more Euro dollar.
There's just Bitcoin and whatever else we agree as a people, as a species, is money.
And here's where it gets really cool.
And then I'll shut up about this.
But somebody on the Reddit Bitcoin category, their subreddit, posted this thing about how if you really think about what's happening, people are making money from these coins because they have to mine them, which takes energy.
Your utility bill goes up when you're mining these coins.
You notice the difference.
And so what people are doing, regardless of language, is deciding that I can transfer some of my energy for money, for actual money that I can use to buy anything else in this physical world.
So now you have a globally competitive market for energy that'll be created as a result.
You'll have entrepreneurs who aren't interested in creating coins.
They're interested in how do I get energy as cheaply as possible.
So you'll see solar fields in the deserts in Africa maybe to fuel a mine for a cryptocurrency.
So what it's going to do is incentivize a lot of us to find cheaper energy no matter what.
So you're going to see all this innovation where the energy industry has to get cheaper and cheaper because we have to continue mining these currencies.
So it's a technology that by design is going to make us, I'm using all these bullshit terms, like better, but we're going to care more about cheap energy than we do now, which I see as a good thing.
And we're going to care more about what does my purchasing power mean?
Did I really agree that this has value?
That's what's so cool about all this stuff is that nobody's forcing anybody to do anything.
And it's all happening while marijuana is becoming illegal or becoming legal, rather.
It's all happening while marijuana is legal in Colorado.
I just tweeted something today about the statistics from Colorado that they're getting back from, as far as crime and revenue, more revenue than ever before, more revenue than even projected, and less crime.
But I don't know the medical marijuana thing, though, in New York is, I don't think it's like legit medical marijuana.
It's probably not going to be like the California.
Right.
I just got my license renewed yesterday, and it was the first time where it actually was a little bit harder than normal.
And I don't know if it was just the doctor, because the doctor was like this old doctor, and you walk in, and he goes, all right, why do you need medical marijuana?
I used to be able to just say, it eases me with stress.
And even Amber Lyon, our mutual friend, has committed pretty much her professional time right now to promoting this idea of medical uses for psychedelics, which was recently in Slate.
It seems like the whole kind of mainstream consciousness is coming around to this idea that, well, shit, if it works, and we're starting to have that attitude towards everything.
Bitcoin sounds crazy, but if it works and the fees are lower, why not?
And it's the same with this.
If people can be more relaxed and maybe have some personal insights, why not?
We should give out Amber's websites, reset.me, reset.me, and it's a new website that she created entirely Based on the idea of resetting consciousness through psychedelics and all the latest research and news on psychedelics.
She wants it to be like the Huffington Post for psychedelics.
I'm like oh these people are all fucked up but she got to see that from the inside Well, fascinating, but also depressing, because how hard do you have to work to get to CNN?
I mean, look, and if they find out you're not playing ball, a lot of people have these idealized visions of what they're going to be able to accomplish as a journalist.
You know, I'm going to be the next guy who breaks the big story, the next girl who takes down the evil regime.
And then you get over and you film the evil regime and you have all this evidence and you risk your life and it gets really crazy and hairy.
And you get back to the States and they put out an info piece, like an infotainment, infomercial piece on the city.
And you're like, whoa, how come you didn't have the sniper footage?
But isn't it interesting how different people handle different situations in a completely different thing?
And you could be different every day.
The way you handle one situation, like if that guy came up to you today or if that guy came up to you immediately after the DMV, four hours of the day.
By the way, Jamie just showed me on Gawker right now, there's a whole story where they interviewed him, the guy, and he's completely wrote it out exactly what happened, what happened after.
He thought he was still recording, but when she hit his camera, it turned it off, and he thought he was still recording.
It scratched it also.
And then they said that they were going to go call Pat, and Pat was going to take care of all this.
And so they went to the car.
And so he was like, what the hell?
And so he sent his girlfriend, who was back at the house.
I guess he was gone for like an hour, sent a video, and they called the police and everything, but they were gone.
In some ways, in some ways, it's kind of the opposite, but in other ways, it's just another way to get your body to do things that are, you know, better than just resting.
You know, the sauna picks up your growth hormone.
It picks up, like, Dr. Rhonda Patrick wrote a whole piece on the benefits of the sauna.
Apparently, sauna has like some, like, that hyperheating environment, like the hot air for short periods of time, has a pretty significant effects on recovery and the body.
So the Russians had it right all along, man.
Have you seen that thing they do called the banya?
Yeah, they had it right all along.
They would do these hot, cold baths.
They would go back and forth.
They would do this banya thing where they go to this sauna and they slap sticks on each other.
Kobe Bryant was like one of the first guys to bring it back from Europe.
In Europe, they've figured out quicker than America, and America's onto it now, that inflammation is one of the huge causes of all sorts of ailments in the body.
Physical injuries, sicknesses, inflammation from your diet, inflammation from exercise, strain, stress, all sorts of different things that cause your body to have inflammation that fucks up a lot of systems of the body.
And for recovery, reducing inflammation is really critical.
They used to do these ice baths where guys would go into like a tub, like this big steel tub, and they would just pour buckets of ice in there and cold water and you would sit submerged inside this thing.
And they would do a similar version of it, but it took far longer.
It wasn't nearly as effective.
And they figured out how to do this one, which is really, I mean, it's just really not that painful.
It's interesting.
It's weird.
You do it and you get out of there like, whoa, like, whoo, you know, like your whole body's like it just feels like as soon as you warm up, everything just like because it's only two minutes, everything just free flows, and it feels like you have like extra blood pumping through your body or something.
And I don't even know what kind of advances are going to happen in energy just within our lifetime.
So I don't want to pretend I'm the FTL drive expert, but that scientist who's working on it came up with some kind of innovation where it would require far less energy than they originally thought to do this warp of the space-time fabric or whatever the fuck it does.
And the fact that he figured that out means that now they can work on a proof of concept.
They can do a very small version in a laboratory one day.
And once they have that, that's all you need to get industry interested.
You know, like, why should we build a faster-than-light spacecraft?
It's kind of a self-explanatory thing.
Like, cool as shit.
You can get resources anywhere in the galaxy.
Of course, people are going to try to build it if it becomes reasonable.
It's interesting if you look back on 1940, what was it, 45 when the atomic bomb was first detonated and think about 1945 to today, how long that is, 70 plus years.
Yeah, well, I write shit down that I'll eventually probably put together as a book, but I'm not giving myself any, like especially right now, I'm concentrating almost entirely on writing stand-up.
I'm going to do my next special.
And the tickets actually just went on sale today for Denver.
I'm going to be in Denver on August 22nd and 23rd.
22nd is Friday night.
That's like the night before the taping to have fun and do some shows and get loose.
And then on Saturday night, I'm recording my comedy show at the Comedy Works.
Like all that shit that's coming out, like all the corruption and anger and government incompetence, I'm starting to believe that it has to be there because that's what wakes us up to.
We don't need so many agencies.
We don't need like so many wars and so much bullshit.
Let's just decide things for ourselves.
And of course we need some laws.
We need some police.
We need some roads.
And that's really it.
Thank you very much.
You know, like have a nice day.
We don't need you archiving fucking baby photos.
That's when you've gone over the line.
And so you're seeing that people realize that.
People realize that banks are ineffective and greedy.
People realize that the old media is dying out and they don't give a shit about their viewers.
So they're just moving over to better stuff.
And it's happening across the board in pretty much every industry.
Even I had this woman, Tiffany Van Gogh, on my show recently, who's another podcast host.
And she was talking to me about how all these grocery stores now have an organic section and that's taking off.
And so you're seeing like this, we have new standards.
I think what's happening is that we have higher standards than we used to.
Yeah, there's no doubt that things are getting more complex and harder to control.
There's no doubt.
And there's no doubt that these old systems, whether it's like afternoon, when you watch the news at 6 or 5 or whatever the fuck it is, it seems like you're watching a parody.
And the problem with something like podcasting as opposed to these other things is that, you know, if you have a show on NBC, you can't not be a shill.
You're going to be the talk show host for the tonight show.
You're going to be on CBS.
I mean, you can have a certain amount of room for creative expression, but essentially what you're trying to do is you're trying to be entertaining while you're promoting people's projects.
And that's how you get access to Tom Cruise.
That's what it is.
And if you're some wild fucker, you're not going to get access to Tom Cruise.
I was on with Ron Paul last time I did tonight's show.
Jay's a fucking really nice guy, though.
He's a very nice guy.
And I really like him on his car show.
It's really cool to see.
I don't know what kind of crazy shit he did when he was trying to get when Letterman and him were duking it out and they made those that TV show about.
Remember that made-for-TV movie?
The late shift?
Yeah.
It was like an HBO movie that they made on the struggle.
Who knows how much of that was true and how much of it wasn't?
I don't know.
But apparently Jay Leno really did hide in the closet while this guy was having conversations about him and then used that information against him.
The more I think about it, I think Leno has a bit of a spine though because I've seen him do some skits on surveillance type stuff and criticize various policies.
If there's anything weird shit in the news, you're one of my favorite people to talk to because you usually have a, if there's anything really significant, you usually have a pretty detailed idea of what's going on.
You don't even know what ISIS is.
I talked to some people the other night that gave me a fairly good explanation.
Brian Callan is on top of it, of course.
The Sunnis and the Shi'is.
Apparently, it has a lot to do with that.
But it's a really bad militant jihadist organization scaring the fuck out of people.
And it sounds like a team of bad guys in the Avengers.
Yeah, I'm not convinced that it's a simulation, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.
I mean, I probably would be shocked, but logically speaking, if I looked at all the possibles and the variables, I would say that it being a simulation is definitely in the mix.
When you say synchronicity, you mean thinking about things and they come true, having friends, you think about them and they call you, coincidental events that take place.
Like what specifically do you think of when you think of synchronicity?
Yeah, it's those moments where you're on a flight and at the last minute your seat changes and the person you sit next to is the agent who signs you and then your career takes off.
And I talk to people where that happens all the time.
And it seems like if life were just this Malthusian fucking thing that we all go through and grind through and there's no purpose whatsoever and no design at all and nothing to it aside from like just maybe reproduce and then die.
If that were the case, I don't think all this cool stuff would be happening.
There's constant synergy.
Things are getting so much better so quickly that it seems almost like this is where we're supposed to be and it's leading towards something.
I look at the whole, if you look at the big picture of the whole universe, everything starting from the Big Bang, spreading out, planets forming, stars giving, you know, solar, these solar nebulas, solar nurseries giving birth to stars.
And you think about what is this whole process and what's it trying to do?
It's constantly trying to make more complex shit.
Like everything is more complex.
A planet cools off.
Biological life begins to form.
Life starts shooting rockets out.
It starts like streaming things down, spinning things in the air above the planet in orbit, blowing nuclear bombs up in the atmosphere.
And if you look at that, and it's trying to get off, it's trying to figure out a way to complicate itself, trying to figure out a way to get more biologically, more, more biologically advanced to the point where it's not going to die.
It's trying to figure out how to kill diseases and spread information, faster than the speed of light.
It's trying to figure out how to travel in space through warp drives.
I mean, think about all the things it's trying to do.
It's trying to populate other planets, in which case it'll continue to evolve its technology, continue to get smarter, continue to change its capacity to change the world, the environments, open up wormholes, start traveling to other dimensions.
I mean, it's going to populate the whole Earth.
It's going to populate the whole galaxy.
It's going to populate the whole universe.
It's going to keep going.
It's a crazy little weird thing, and it's called consciousness.
And we're bodies that carry consciousness around the same way a jug carries water around.
And our consciousness figures out a way to evolve the body and the environment and changes things and moves things around and improves things.
And right now, it's improving the very society that we live in.
The very culture that we operate on is changing radically because of technology.
Technology and human innovation, human creativity, changing the actual earth itself.
Buildings would just pop up 30, 40 stories.
Build them out of the ground.
Figure out how to engineer them.
Planes and bridges you could drive across unpassable lakes.
And all this shit is being done like right like that.
Yeah, but what I wanted to add, what I kind of forgot to add in there was the capitalism thing, what I was saying, is that we've transferred it so that all these things that are essentially just art and creativity are now survival for us because we can make money from them.
So if you're a rocket ship designer 300 years ago, that doesn't mean anything.
If you're a great sculptor 300 years ago, you're still probably in the fields.
Like you got to eat food, right?
You got to do it.
Now it takes no time at all for that shit.
So you can actually be a sculptor.
You can go to NYU or Columbia or something and learn how to be a fucking sculptor.
And you can become a rocket designer and do that.
And you'll actually be compensated.
So you're doing these things that are completely not essential to your own existence.
But it's been kind of transferred into this thing where you're like, I have to do this so I can survive.
Like, that's what people have to be aware of is, you know, I was saying different things in 2011 because it was a different world in 2011.
And I'll be saying different things in 2017 because it'll be a different world.
And if you're always saying the same thing, like there are financial experts who've been saying that the collapse is coming for the past 25 years, literally.
Like, just put your money into gold now.
It's coming, folks.
And it never came.
Like, 100% never happened.
The recession, one of the few good things Obama has done, seems to have gotten us out of the recession through a combination of things.
And that collapse that they try to sell you on newsletters and stuff is not happening.
It's not going to happen in the way that it's described.
It's not even going to feel like a collapse.
Like, would you consider the internet to be the collapse of civilization?
We were talking about the War of Worlds the other day, the Orson Welles thing, the radio show, and about how they were talking about radio being a new medium and that radio is a new thing, and that we have to figure out how to control the broadcasts.
I saw this great thing online that it was talking about how we assume that we're all rude now because we're all looking down at our phones the whole time.
Well, it showed a photo of a subway in New York like sometime in the 40s and it's all newspapers.
it's complicated it's one of those things I have to look at and figure out how I'm gonna um You write down on this notebook all your different notes.
The camera on the pen takes a photograph of the note.
Then when you go to the note, you go to the note, you put your pen on the note, and the audio recorder will play what you were talking about when you wrote that note.
So you could be in the middle of an interview, be in the middle of a conversation when you're on a podcast.
Like, there's a lot of times I have ideas.
Like, there was a, I was talking to this guy, Gad Saad, the guy you met, who was on the first podcast.
In the middle of it, I remembered this bit that I just stopped doing.
I just stopped doing it, but it was a great bit.
I was like, oh, my God, I've never put that on anything.
So I started writing down.
To have that ability to go back to that moment and know what you were thinking about when you wrote that down, you could save a lot of missed ideas that just sort of disappear out into the ether when you're having these long three-hour conversations.
I mean, that's just another new application of technology that's incredibly fascinating.
Think about how many ideas we've all probably had that would be like life-changing, but then you forget it because the phone rings or something and never comes back.
Like every day, there's some new thing that comes out.
This is from an article I got where this guy was talking about shorthand.
You ever see guys writing that Greg shorthand?
That's what it's called.
Fascinating.
It's like they have this weird little shorthand language.
You can write like 290 words a minute.
If you're really good at it, you can whip through it.
So when someone's talking to you, you could literally get everything they say, and then you can go back to it and realize by reading your chicken scratch.
Most of the people now, they record things and then they write them down, then they fuck up everything you said because the conversation wasn't that clear and you make you go very dead.
He's talking about losing weight, and he wrote something about how much weight he needs to lose.
And he wrote thin spiration, like hashtag thinspiration.
And he started getting attacked by all these people that are apparently, it's in the, that's in the anorexia movement, this idea of thin spiration, this hashtag.
And he didn't know about this, so they started attacking him.
So see, he starts responding to them attacking him.
He tells this one guy to draw a bath and open your veins and do the society.
I think a lot of these people just need to have in the contracts like, look, you're going to have a publicist that you have to send your tweets through if we're paying you this much money.
Because I know I even have almost said a few things.
No, that really is the only thing you have at the end of the day because shows and networks change a lot, especially for journalists, but definitely for entertainers too.
All that stuff changes.
All you have is your reputation with the public.
And if they trash that with a bunch of bullshit, these companies are not that smart.
Like I see some companies on Twitter, you're like, this is...