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July 7, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - July 7, 2014
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unidentified
Alright, you're on.
joe rogan
We're on live?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're on live, ladies and gentlemen.
Nobody even knows it.
Justin Scoggins is about to fight.
There was a bit of a delay with Callan and Schaub getting here.
bryan callen
Southwest Airlines.
joe rogan
Yeah, Southwest Airlines.
They fly every 15 minutes.
It's amazing they get anywhere at all.
I agree.
It's like a bus.
They fly everywhere.
Anywhere anybody won't fly, they're like, alright, we're cool.
If you've never heard this podcast before, this is what we call Fight Companion Podcast.
Scoggins, this kid right here, Justin Scoggins, that's his name, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
I called one of his fights before.
And he is about to fight.
The fight is going to start.
Mario Yamasaki says, go now.
Fight starts now.
brendan schaub
Pressure.
joe rogan
Really interesting fighter.
He fights.
He's got this karate style, but he also throws a lot of traditional martial arts techniques, and he's got a wrestling background, so it's pretty interesting.
Oh, he's getting dragged to the ground.
Look at this.
bryan callen
Scoggins is the guy with the black shorts.
joe rogan
He's the guy on the bottom.
Dustin Ortiz.
Justin Scoggins and Dustin Ortiz.
brendan schaub
Dustin came out.
Pressure, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, big pressure.
brendan schaub
Just put it on him right away.
joe rogan
Which is pretty impressive, because Scoggin's a good wrestler.
If you've never heard this podcast before, this is what we call a fight companion podcast.
What we do is we watch the fights live.
We're watching the fights live.
It's 4.15 on the clock right now, if you want to sync up.
Who's trying to say?
brendan schaub
Arbar, son.
Arbar, son.
joe rogan
Pretty good, pretty good.
unidentified
Oh, it's tight.
joe rogan
Very nice.
I like how he scooted his hips up there.
That was some expert shit.
bryan callen
Oh, sneaky.
joe rogan
We do these podcasts while the fights are going live and we talk while the fights are happening.
And that's what we're doing right now.
Dustin Ortiz is on top.
Justin Scoggins is on the bottom.
bryan callen
Who came out with Fight Companion?
joe rogan
Who came out with that?
I don't know.
It just happened.
bryan callen
It just kind of happened.
joe rogan
But it's a good way to call it.
And so a lot of people, what they do is they watch this and they watch the fights at the same time.
If you're doing that, look at these kind of kneeing him in the face when he's down.
Which is kind of a sneaky thing you can do, right?
bryan callen
Can you do that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can.
joe rogan
Oh, he's done.
He's done.
brendan schaub
He's done.
joe rogan
It's going to pop.
I'm surprised he doesn't stop it.
bryan callen
Look at this, he's putting his foot in between.
brendan schaub
I'm surprised he doesn't stop it.
joe rogan
Look at this, he's putting his foot on there.
That's pretty slick.
brendan schaub
That's super slick, son.
joe rogan
but oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
It's hyperextended.
Oh, this is so ugly.
brendan schaub
Damn, that dude is gangster.
joe rogan
He's so tough that he's not...
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Wow, he got out of that.
bryan callen
That was amazing.
joe rogan
He got out of that.
But keep an eye on that arm.
That arm might be jackmified.
brendan schaub
For sure.
unidentified
Jackmified.
bryan callen
Another word.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing's done, son.
That arm, for sure, it's going to suck jerking off with that thing for the next couple of weeks.
brendan schaub
You're going to have to play the mystery man.
You have to use the left arm, Doug.
It's going to get really weird.
joe rogan
It was his left arm, wasn't it?
brendan schaub
Wasn't it?
joe rogan
We'd have to go back over it again.
I'm pretty sure it was his left arm that he was attacking.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
But Scoggins, very high on this kid.
He's only 21 too.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
And like I said, wrestling background, but real good at karate.
brendan schaub
He's out of ATT? Yeah.
bryan callen
Are these guys 35ers?
joe rogan
No.
125. They're flyweights.
These motherfuckers go for days.
brendan schaub
Cardio is even in their minds.
They don't even think about it.
joe rogan
They should have 25 minute rounds.
brendan schaub
25 minute rounds.
Three 25 minute rounds.
joe rogan
They're hummingbirds.
bryan callen
Let's keep that hand down.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Goggins takes his back.
Very nice.
Good roll by Dustin.
Dustin looks like more of a wrestler.
And Scoggins has a lot more jujitsu.
brendan schaub
But look at this.
joe rogan
Dustin's not giving up, man.
Motherfucker's on his back right now.
Ooh, good trip.
So we just got back from Vegas, too.
Incredible fights, man.
brendan schaub
Amazing fights.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Look at this.
Ortiz is getting Scoggins back.
Scoggins fighting off those hooks.
He's going to spin.
Look at that.
Look at this.
He's going to spin.
Trying to hit that switch, the cage is in the way.
Cage fucks you up a lot of times, huh?
brendan schaub
Cage really limits a lot of stuff.
It can help you sometimes, especially if you're a ground-and-pound guy, wrestler ground-and-pound.
It's a dream for you.
But as a jiu-jitsu guy, it makes things tougher, I think.
You can't shrimp out.
unidentified
You can't maneuver.
joe rogan
Dustin Ortiz is Duke Rufus' guy.
Very interesting.
That's why he's so fucking good.
bryan callen
Who is Duke Rufus?
joe rogan
How dare you?
bryan callen
Sorry.
joe rogan
How dare you ever do a podcast about fighting?
bryan callen
It's for the fans.
It's for the fans.
I like asking questions that a lot of people don't know.
brendan schaub
It's too bad we don't have a whip.
bryan callen
That's what I'm here for.
brendan schaub
If we had a whip and they'd just slap Callen when he says that.
joe rogan
For real, how do you not know who Duke Rufus is?
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
Only this Coggins dropped down for a guillotine.
Duke Rufus is the brother of Rick Rufus, Rick the Jet Rufus, who is one of the big PKA karate stars, like one of the most exciting ones.
Yeah, amazing fighter who turned into a Muay Thai fighter after he had some Muay Thai fighters and got fucked up.
And then his brother, Duke, after Rick got fucked up by some Thai fighters, his brother went into Muay Thai himself and Duke became a Muay Thai world champion, and now he trains Anthony Pettis, Sergio Pettis.
He's trained Alan Belcher.
He's trained a lot of high-level fighters, and he trains this guy Dustin Ortiz, too.
He was on my podcast last week, two weeks ago.
brendan schaub
Great, great, great guy.
Really good guy.
joe rogan
Salt of the earth.
Couldn't get a nicer person.
And super intelligent and really well-read when it comes to fighting.
She knows everything about Muay Thai, especially.
brendan schaub
On TV, a lot of empty seats out there.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
In the crowd.
joe rogan
Well, this is one of the first fights of the second card of the second day, and they're in a 14,000-seat arena.
brendan schaub
Dude, if you're a UFC fan, you are just jizzing your pants for this weekend.
Listen, look at me right now.
Have you ever seen me this?
I have one lazy eye.
I'm exhausted.
Just got off the plane, straight to Rogan Studios.
Exhausted.
bryan callen
Nowhere to go.
brendan schaub
And UFC, what?
I mean, it's been UFC 24-7.
I'm like CNN of UFC right now.
joe rogan
Well, I was out drinking with Mark Delgrate, Brian Callen, Brian Stan, my buddy Justin, and we were out until 4 o'clock in the fucking morning.
I had to get up at 7 and catch my flight.
bryan callen
I didn't realize how late it was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's Vegas, man.
Everybody's...
At 4 o'clock in the morning, the place is mobbed.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And also, the casinos are set up so you don't realize how late it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
There's music, the lights...
joe rogan
Dustin with a nice left hook there.
Look at this.
Boom with the right hand.
And then, boom, with the left.
Look at this.
Boom.
brendan schaub
After two days in Vegas, though, I'm good.
You can keep it.
You can keep it.
bryan callen
That's my thoughts.
brendan schaub
You can keep it.
joe rogan
That's my thoughts exactly.
Two days in Vegas is all you need.
Some dudes love it there, man.
brendan schaub
I know.
bryan callen
Well, gamblers.
joe rogan
Look at how Scoggins' style, man.
It's a really interesting style for a guy who's a good wrestler.
brendan schaub
Footwork's interesting, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all karate.
He's very Machida-like.
Look at that.
But he throws a lot of front leg sidekicks.
Almost like point style.
Dustin Ortiz is no joke, though, man.
brendan schaub
Not at all, man.
Just bringing it.
joe rogan
I love that leprechaun beard, too.
brendan schaub
Oh, Bulletproof Coffee.
This podcast can get a lot better.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Scoggins with a beautiful tie-up of that.
He's got that right arm hooked like he's going for a crucifix here.
Someone almost got a crucifix this weekend.
I forget who it was.
Someone rolled into a crucifix.
Did the same thing.
Tied up one arm.
brendan schaub
One of my faves.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
Drysdale got a rear naked choke first round.
joe rogan
Did he really?
brendan schaub
Yep.
First fight of the night.
joe rogan
Not surprising.
Drysdale's a monster.
bryan callen
All I know is I got to hang out with Dan Severin.
joe rogan
The beast.
bryan callen
Yes.
He looks...
brendan schaub
His skin's better than anyone's in this room, first of all.
bryan callen
56 years old.
Couldn't look better.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing, right?
Was he drinking fucking raw milk all day and stuff?
I don't know.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Working on a farm somewhere?
Yeah.
bryan callen
He looks like a muscular Freddie Mercury.
joe rogan
He's a great guy, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got some great stories about the old wrestling days, international wrestling.
Look at this, Ortiz rolls Dustin over right in front of Rufus.
The other thing about having a coach like Duke Rufus is he's such a great guy that he motivates you so much.
You want to fight well for him.
bryan callen
Yeah, you want to win for him.
joe rogan
That's real, man.
Guys talk about their relationships that they have with their trainers like that.
brendan schaub
Me and Dwayne were talking.
I had breakfast with Dwayne in Vegas for a time.
Him and TJ held close there.
He was saying for him it's cool because it's like he's living through TJ. He wished he had himself as a coach when he was coming up.
So for TJ, it's cool.
joe rogan
That is interesting.
It takes a lifetime to accumulate knowledge.
And a lot of times, by the time guys get there...
Their bodies are worn out.
bryan callen
It's crazy that TJ had no time to bask in the championship.
He'd just go right back into camp.
brendan schaub
I don't like that.
bryan callen
I don't like that.
brendan schaub
I was talking to TJ about it.
He goes, I'm right back into camp.
I said, already, man?
You just won the belt.
He goes, yeah, that's what they want, man.
I said, alright.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it was supposed to be in Vegas.
It was supposed to be August.
The late August show was supposed to be in Vegas.
And something happened.
They decide to move it to Sacramento because it's TJ's hometown.
Good for TJ. Yeah, great for TJ. Terrible for Burrell because of the quick turnaround after a KO. That's the only thing that concerns me.
brendan schaub
But why rush it like this?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Burrell's camp wanted it.
They wanted it right away.
They think it was a fluke.
brendan schaub
No, homie.
A fluke is if you get hit right in the first round and get knocked out.
That's a fluke.
Five rounds of a pure ass whooping is not a fluke.
joe rogan
They think the five rounds came about because of the first round.
brendan schaub
Because he clipped them.
joe rogan
Because he got dropped in the first round.
He didn't know where the fuck he was for the rest of the fight.
bryan callen
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
He went into the fifth round, apparently, and he thought it was the third round.
He had no idea what was going on.
brendan schaub
I get that.
I get that.
bryan callen
That speaks to your point about having him fight that early, though.
He needs more time off.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's head trauma, man.
Those Brazilians are tough as nails, man.
They want They want to get that title back.
brendan schaub
It's almost a default, though, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dustin Ortiz is strong as fuck, dude.
Look at this.
Meanwhile, he's all over Scoggins.
bryan callen
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
And Scoggins is like this kid that has a lot of hype behind him, and justifiably, but I am blown away by Dustin Ortiz.
Bring it.
I mean, just the fact that he got out of that armbar, man.
That armbar was fucking nasty.
brendan schaub
It was his left arm, you're right.
I saw on the replay it was his left arm.
joe rogan
Was it?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're correct.
joe rogan
So maybe he jerks off lefty.
We don't know.
brendan schaub
We don't know.
Maybe he makes it up.
bryan callen
Could be ambidextrous.
joe rogan
Maybe he just gets a cortisone shot so he can keep eating off.
bryan callen
He's flexible.
He might use both his feet.
brendan schaub
Finds a doctor and gives him a cortisone shot so he can continue this jack-off.
joe rogan
I like how he almost got caught in a bad situation there and instinctively shoved that second arm in.
Where Scoggins was fishing for the triangle.
brendan schaub
Ground and pound's tough, especially if you're a wrestler like this where you're at a wrestling base and you're heavy on a ground and pound like a Mark Munoz, it opens you up for submissions.
joe rogan
What are you saying, Brian?
bryan callen
This guy in the little box here, I saw him leaning against the...
joe rogan
Do you know who that is?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
How dare you again?
bryan callen
Yeah, who is it?
joe rogan
That's Marcus Conan Silviero.
bryan callen
He is such a stud.
joe rogan
That guy's a fucking legend.
He was one of the heavyweight champions of Extreme Fighting Championship.
He was a part of one of the fights that changed MMA. Really?
Yeah, because he fought Maurice Smith, and Maurice Smith head-kicked him.
He's from Denver.
brendan schaub
Maurice is from Denver?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really?
Originally?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
No kidding.
He trained out of Seattle, though, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Did most of his...
He lives in Seattle now.
Ran into Maurice this weekend at the Lion Fights.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Muay Thai Fights.
brendan schaub
How's he look?
unidentified
Looks great.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Fucking just fought.
He's 50. He just fought?
Yeah, he won.
Head kick.
What?
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
At 50?
50. Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, had a fight.
brendan schaub
Who did he fight?
joe rogan
Some guy who shouldn't have been fighting Maurice Smith.
bryan callen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
brendan schaub
Some guy who needs to work on his technique.
bryan callen
Some guy.
joe rogan
The guy Maurice Smith beat the shit out of him.
bryan callen
Tell me about Conan and the fight.
joe rogan
Oh, so Conan was a jiu-jitsu black belt, and...
That was back at the time when everybody thought the jiu-jitsu black belts were unstoppable.
If someone was a jiu-jitsu black belt, it was it.
You were getting killed.
It was like the Hoist Gracie days, the early days.
It was like 93, 94, somewhere around there.
And Maury Smith, leg kicked the fuck out of him and then head kicked him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, just kept the fight standing.
When he got taken to the ground, used good butterflies, got back up to his feet.
Just really never...
Maury's ground game was all about defense, 100% defense.
It was all butterflies and defense and endurance.
Maurice has crazy, crazy cardio for a heavyweight.
bryan callen
Or did.
Yeah, I remember that fight with Mark Coleman.
I remember that so well.
Just kept kicking him going, what's up?
Come on, ground and pound me, Mark.
Ground and pound me.
joe rogan
Mark Coleman, that's what he said during the pre-fight.
He was like, I'm going to ground and pound the shit out of him.
And so I was there, man.
I was there live.
I interviewed him after the fight.
That was back when I was the post-fight interviewer.
And Maurice was standing in front of him.
He goes, come on, Mark.
Ground and pound me.
Come on, Mark.
Whack!
Leg kick.
Come on, Mark!
brendan schaub
He's talking to him like that?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, grind and pound me.
Come on, grind and pound me.
unidentified
Whack!
Damn gangster.
joe rogan
Whacked him with that leg kick, yeah.
brendan schaub
Pure gangster.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he was, he's not an, Morris is an interesting guy because he's not like an angry guy.
Mark was done.
He was so exhausted.
But Maurice never tried to close the deal.
Never tried to finish him off.
Just fought real smart.
But was fucking with him and beating his ass.
brendan schaub
Some guys are like that, right?
Guys with real nice personalities.
You look like a Pacquiao.
He doesn't want to hurt anyone.
bryan callen
Maurice loves to play around.
He's a silly goose.
But Conan just looked like...
I was watching him as you were taking pictures.
And I looked at him.
And he's so wide.
And he looked like just an old...
Like, lion with barnacles on him.
Just sitting there.
brendan schaub
Not Sony on the vest.
bryan callen
No, not at all.
He just looked like...
unidentified
Are we still recording?
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got a little computer issue, ladies and gentlemen.
Are we still on Ustream?
unidentified
Yep, yep.
joe rogan
Okay.
We had a little issue.
Oh, Dustin Ortiz with a nice straight left.
This is a great fucking fight.
Meanwhile, we're talking about all sorts of shit from the past and Scoggins and Ortiz are doing a war.
bryan callen
Having a crazy fight.
Oh, back kick.
joe rogan
This is a great fight.
Scoggins takes him down again.
bryan callen
Hey, Brendan, thanks for making me do a wheel kick in my jeans this morning at 10 in the morning.
That was a lot of fun in front of a bunch of people.
brendan schaub
That was good for you, man.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That was someone else's idea, though.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's real good.
brendan schaub
I had to hold the thing.
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
What was good about it?
bryan callen
Nothing.
Nothing.
brendan schaub
I thought Cal was going to blow his asshole out throwing this kick.
bryan callen
Exactly.
brendan schaub
These jeans were super tight, too.
joe rogan
How often do you throw kicks?
Like once a year?
bryan callen
Actually, since I've been boxing, I kick the bag now, but nothing like that.
I don't throw wheel kicks.
I had no business doing that.
brendan schaub
Some fan demanded it.
bryan callen
Head and arm, head and arm.
joe rogan
Yeah, head and arm choke.
bryan callen
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Stuck in half guard, though.
Very hard to finish from half guard.
Look at this.
Dustin rolls over.
Oh, Scoggin stays on him.
bryan callen
Unbelievable fight, man.
brendan schaub
This is why I love little guys, man.
The transitions, I love it.
You don't see heavyweights moving like this.
Wish I was little.
I was talking to Callum the way here.
bryan callen
I wish I was tiny, man.
brendan schaub
Callum goes, no you don't.
It's good to be the king of the beach.
Bitch, I don't care about the beach.
Fuck the beach.
joe rogan
You say you don't care about the beach.
unidentified
I won't be in the octagon.
brendan schaub
I'm rolling around with everyone.
joe rogan
You say that.
bryan callen
Meanwhile, sitting next to you, wedged in those little seats on Southwest, I wish you were smaller.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about trying to go to 205?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I have.
I've thought about it before.
Towards the end of my career, I'll do it.
I'll do one cut to it.
Everyone seems to do that.
It's like the older phase of the guys.
They make the cut.
Right now, I'm 250 pounds.
bryan callen
That's a really tough cut.
brendan schaub
Everyone always asks me that, though.
joe rogan
You're about 230 fight week, though, right?
235. When you think about that, you're not watching your diet at all.
You're eating healthy, but you're not...
Like, think about some of the shit that some of these guys do.
Like, um, you know, like a guy like Weidman.
What does Weidman walk around at before he tries to make 205 or 185?
He's a big fucking guy.
brendan schaub
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, he is.
This is the difference, though.
A lot of those guys get crazy out of shape in between fights.
Like, crazy out of shape.
I don't.
I don't put on tons of weight.
joe rogan
Who puts on the most weight in between fights?
Well, he used to be Rumble Johnson.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Anthony Johnson.
bryan callen
I've never seen anything like it.
He was walking around at 235. He sucked down to 170. We were doing this movie and I looked at him and I said, what do you weigh right now?
He goes, about 235. I said, you're going to make 170 in two months?
He goes, I'll make it.
I think it was six weeks.
joe rogan
This fight is fucking madness.
This fight is awesome.
We should really pay attention to this fight because it's so good.
brendan schaub
It is really good.
joe rogan
It's a crazy scramble.
Dustin Ortiz is no joke, man.
He's on the map now.
Win, lose, or draw, he's on the map.
Because this is a great fight.
brendan schaub
I like how this guy's protecting his knee.
Yeah, there you go.
Go for the knee bar.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
How he switched it.
joe rogan
Yeah, nice.
And wound up on top.
brendan schaub
Unlock his legs.
bryan callen
Pressure on him, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he's strong.
Ortiz is very strong.
This is great stuff.
Look, he's covering Scoggins' face.
That's a sneaky fucking move, man.
You know, we were talking about this the other day, that Brian Carraway fishhook incident.
That's dark, man.
brendan schaub
That's dark.
That's frowned upon.
joe rogan
I can't believe how long he held that fishhook in.
That's not by accident.
brendan schaub
No.
I think he said it was a genuine accident, right?
joe rogan
Well, that's what he said.
I don't want to call him a liar, but I think I just did.
I like Carraway.
I like him a lot.
I mean, he might have not even known he was doing it because he was so ferocious in the heat of the moment trying to finish that show.
But that's a crazy fucking...
Come on, bro.
I'm trying to be nice.
brendan schaub
I know.
unidentified
That was a straight fish hook.
brendan schaub
That was a straight elementary yard...
Fish hook.
joe rogan
Complete, total fish hook.
bryan callen
How long did he hold it for?
joe rogan
Five seconds?
More, maybe?
Right?
bryan callen
Just yanking him back?
joe rogan
Maybe five seconds?
brendan schaub
A solid five seconds.
joe rogan
Yeah, like five seconds is a long time.
brendan schaub
For anything.
joe rogan
One, two, three...
You know, that's a long time.
And he's got his fingers deep in this guy's mouth.
And he's pulling them towards him to try to get the choke.
brendan schaub
Playing for keeps.
joe rogan
Are they really doing a Purge, too?
unidentified
Yep.
bryan callen
Starring one of my best friends, Frank Grillo.
brendan schaub
Did you see Purge 1, though?
joe rogan
Oh, of course I didn't.
brendan schaub
Man, I kind of like him.
bryan callen
I can't wait for that, bro.
brendan schaub
I can't wait.
bryan callen
Purge 1 started as a small movie.
I think they made the movie for something really tiny, like a million dollars.
joe rogan
Whatever they spent, it was too much.
bryan callen
It was so popular that Ethan Hawke made $7 million on that movie.
joe rogan
Why are you blowing up Ethan Hawke's spot?
bryan callen
I'm just telling you what he made.
joe rogan
People are going to hit him up for loans now.
bryan callen
There you go, baby.
I need some cash.
joe rogan
Yo, Ethan, man, I have this independent project.
How many guys come to you with independent projects they're doing?
bryan callen
Three a day, including emails.
brendan schaub
Really?
You get it too, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah, I get dudes who want me to help them produce their animated features.
bryan callen
Animated features?
joe rogan
Animated things, movies, TV shows.
A good friend fucking gave me an ear beating, a ferocious ear beating the other day about some reality show.
He's trying to put together about him being, you know, you're in the TV business.
I go, how am I in the TV business?
What the fuck are you talking about?
bryan callen
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Well, you have that TV show, man.
You know, you're in the TV business.
I'm trying to put together this show.
Well, find somebody who actually is like a TV producer.
I want you to help me connect with me.
No, I don't have time.
I don't have time.
brendan schaub
This is the difference between me and you guys.
No one hits me up about doing that stuff.
I get dick pics.
That's what I do.
I get dick pics on Instagram and Twitter.
joe rogan
Who won this fight?
bryan callen
I get long.
brendan schaub
It's tough, man.
joe rogan
Get some volume here, Jamie.
unidentified
It's a tough one to call.
brendan schaub
I think you're going to give it to your boy on the right.
unidentified
Oh.
brendan schaub
I bet they give it to Dustin.
bryan callen
Wow.
brendan schaub
He just brought the pressure, man.
Take that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dustin Ortiz with the split decision.
brendan schaub
Solid beer.
joe rogan
Wow.
Scoggins is very bummed out, man.
brendan schaub
Of course.
bryan callen
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow, you know what?
We were talking so much, we didn't really score that.
brendan schaub
That's fair.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's fair.
I'd have to watch it.
brendan schaub
No, I'm saying that's fair.
You're saying we're talking so much.
joe rogan
I always say that.
Like, sometimes during a fight, like while we're doing commentary, like I talked about it with Jimmy Smith.
The last fight companion when you motherfuckers weren't around.
brendan schaub
Good schedules, dawg.
Good schedules, man.
bryan callen
Not committed.
brendan schaub
Busy, son.
joe rogan
But Jimmy Smith was great, and Ian McCall was on it, too.
It was really fun.
brendan schaub
It was good, huh?
joe rogan
But Jimmy was talking about they make him score at Bellator.
They make him score the rounds.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's dope.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they make him score the rounds while he's doing commentary.
And I'm like, man, I don't know about that.
brendan schaub
That's tough.
joe rogan
I don't do it.
Me, personally, I could do it, but I don't want to do it.
I say it during the podcast.
I say, you know, I think this guy won the fight or won the rounds, but the reality is, if you want to really call the fight correctly, you have to shut your mouth.
bryan callen
You're still scoring it boxing-wise, right?
joe rogan
I mean, when you Well, it's a 10-point must system, but it's really dumb because you're working within a flawed system.
bryan callen
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
But the real problem with that flawed system is a round in boxing is three minutes, and there's a bunch of them.
A regular fight is 10 rounds.
Non-title fights, 10 fucking rounds.
Title fight is 12 rounds.
In an MMA fight, big difference.
Three rounds, only three rounds, and there could be a 10-9 round where one guy just beats the shit out of a guy.
And then another 10-9 round where it's like a toss-up.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
bryan callen
Why is that?
joe rogan
Because it sucks.
Because the system sucks.
brendan schaub
The sport's so new, too.
joe rogan
We stole a system.
We stole a judging system from boxing.
bryan callen
Because there just isn't a criteria for somebody keeping pressure on, holding position on somebody, takedowns.
brendan schaub
Take down defense?
How about take down defense?
How about that?
That should go a long way.
How about submission attempts?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Submission defense?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
All that stuff.
joe rogan
And there should be like a scale of like 1 to 10 of how close a submission is.
Yes.
Okay, like Scoggins and Ortiz.
Perfect example.
That was a fucking 9. That armbar was a fucking 9. 9 and a half.
That was about as close as you can get to not getting tapped.
brendan schaub
You have to take that into consideration.
bryan callen
Yeah, he got out of it.
brendan schaub
Not mad at her at all.
joe rogan
She's probably 14, bro.
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
Whatever.
unidentified
She's solid 24. She's already tattooed up.
joe rogan
I can't believe that.
bryan callen
She can't be 14. That's not legal.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what was fun, though, at the expo.
I'll tell you what was so fun.
The questions I was getting about Arlovsky.
Oh, that was amazing.
bryan callen
Here's the guy we were in the elevator with.
brendan schaub
It was exhausting, man.
Dude, what happened?
Although I had you, man.
And I do this.
Then I'm finally out of there.
I'm like, alright, this was a good day.
This is fun.
Last interview.
I go on some show.
I'm not going to call him out.
This dude, I've had an issue with him before.
I did not want to do this radio interview because of this.
So I do this interview and he goes, yeah, man, that fight was awful.
joe rogan
That sucked.
brendan schaub
Excuse me, sir?
You're 300 pounds.
You've never fought in your life.
You can't talk to people like that, man.
I will never come on your show again.
joe rogan
Did you say that to him?
brendan schaub
Oh, when we were done, he's like, listen, man, I'm going to give you my...
Don't bother.
Do not bother, man.
I was like, I'm good.
You know me, I don't like confrontation.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
So I was just like, oh, I'm good, man.
I just walked away.
It's crazy to me.
Crazy to me, man.
That fight was terrible.
I said, that's fine.
Who'd you have winning?
He goes, oh, you for sure won that.
I go, thanks, man.
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
It's that sports guy radio bullshit.
There's a certain amount of sports guy radio bullshit that's leaked into MMA. They think that they can be cool.
brendan schaub
Well, there's no repercussions.
You can talk to me however you want.
I can't do anything.
I'll get in trouble.
Obviously, I'm not going to snap your neck.
I'd love to.
I'm not going to.
I can't do anything.
joe rogan
Not only that, it's just like, can't you talk about a fight without being disrespectful to the guy that was fighting?
It seemed like you guys knew each other.
You were both very tentative.
There was a lot on the line for both of you.
Arlovski looked particularly nervous.
What was frustrating about the fight, too?
You could talk about a fight.
For sure.
Anybody who's ever competed before, if you've had more than a few fights, there's going to be some that just go off.
You might be sick.
You might be injured.
You can't think that every fight is going to be great.
They're just not going to be.
You're going to have shitty ones.
brendan schaub
Things happen.
But the thing is, when I talked to him, I was like, yeah, on the air, I go, did that fight suck?
100%.
Should I have won?
Yeah.
Do I need to do things different?
Yes.
I was banking on, just like I'm used to when I used to train with him, an aggressive Orlovsky, which I hate that we're talking about this again.
However, it just shit happens.
But Orlovsky would come forward aggressive.
And I'm a back foot counter fighter.
That's how I get my takedowns, my big combination, stuff like that.
So when he's not being aggressive and approaching, I should have adapted and I didn't.
So you get a shitty fight.
That's what happened.
joe rogan
Straight up.
brendan schaub
Fight sucked.
However, I won the fight.
joe rogan
So this guy, when you were doing this interview, was he like...
brendan schaub
No, listen, obviously I could take his job if I wanted to on air.
I just destroyed him on air with everything, fight talk, everything.
So he was a little defensive already.
And I'm like, yeah, man, that fight sucks.
So it gave him a chance to jump in.
Oh, that fight was terrible.
joe rogan
Oh, so before that, oh, so there was like a build-up already where he was like kind of like...
brendan schaub
A little bit, and then I even told him, and then he was like, well, what's next?
I said, I have no idea, man.
This is a weird fight.
You know, what they're going to do with me, I don't know, because technically, really, I won the fight.
They gave Arlovsky a main event against Bigfoot, so obviously they're not too mad at him.
So with me, I'm not sure.
I said, who do you think I should fight?
And he had, you know, he couldn't come up with anything.
He had nothing.
joe rogan
What did you think about the Strew situation, man?
That's kind of crazy.
brendan schaub
Heartbroken.
I was looking forward to that fight.
And honestly...
I think it was almost a, I don't want to say a blessing in disguise, but I don't think Shreve would have won that fight.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
You're off?
I don't.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
I don't at all.
And I think the time away, they wanted to give him more of an easier fight, a guy where he could get his bearings back, get used to the octagon and the lights.
It's a different animal, man, when you haven't fought in a while.
Instead, Mitchell calls him out.
joe rogan
Let's explain what happened.
brendan schaub
No, go ahead.
You got this thing.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know what happened, Stefan Struve is a really tall fighter.
brendan schaub
Seven foot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a skyscraper, they call him.
bryan callen
Legit seven feet.
joe rogan
And doing well in the UFC, has some pretty big wins, and then all of a sudden he has a heart condition, like a serious, legit heart condition.
They don't know if he's ever going to be able to fight again.
So he takes some time off.
I don't know what they did to try to fix his situation.
brendan schaub
He had surgery.
joe rogan
He had surgery on his heart?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
He had surgery with these valves and stuff.
Crazy stuff.
joe rogan
Fuck.
brendan schaub
In his hometown.
He had to see all these doctors before one was like, yeah, let's do this.
joe rogan
So anyway, he has his surgery.
He takes how much time off?
Quite a while.
brendan schaub
Quite a while, yeah.
joe rogan
More than a year.
brendan schaub
Yes.
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
So he's off for a long time and he's in the locker room getting ready for his fight and his heart starts beating like really fast and he has like an almost fainting spell.
Essentially, his body goes limp.
And they go, yeah, that's about it for you, buddy.
And they pull him off the card an hour before you're supposed to fight.
brendan schaub
Can you imagine if that happened inside the octagon?
They announce his name and this giraffe passes out on the side of the cage, like a zoo animal.
unidentified
Skyscraper!
joe rogan
Actually, before, everybody's taking the steps up to the octagon.
Boom!
brendan schaub
Seven foot?
No one's catching him, son.
He's breaking Ariane's neck when he falls.
You know what I'm saying?
You don't want that.
bryan callen
That's happened plenty of times on a basketball court where somebody didn't live.
You can't play around.
joe rogan
Big guys have a real hard time.
bryan callen
Those really tall, tall, tall guys.
There's a condition, and I can't remember the name of it, where people dropped dead of a heart attack.
joe rogan
Well, they don't live very long.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those seven-foot dudes.
brendan schaub
Well, he has two strikes against him.
One, name the oldest fighter you know.
There's not a lot of grandpas out there with cauliflower.
You know what I'm saying?
There's just not.
And then he's seven foot tall with a little nub.
I made that up.
I don't know if he has a little nub.
joe rogan
A little nub for a dick, you're saying?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Why'd you say that?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
How do you dare you?
brendan schaub
I have no idea.
bryan callen
You calm down right now.
The man's already having a bad day.
brendan schaub
I know, I know.
Listen, I love Strew, man.
bryan callen
With a little nub.
brendan schaub
So he's seven foot and he's a fighter.
So yeah, he's on the back nine of life for sure.
joe rogan
That's the kind of insult the guy with a giant dick just throws around right now.
All willy-nilly.
He's got a little nub.
bryan callen
You called him a giraffe, and now he's got a little nub.
joe rogan
Well, giraffe is a perfect way to describe him because he's so long and gangly.
brendan schaub
I think Mitrone would have beat him.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
I do.
I think it was a horrible matchup for him.
Because we have the same manager.
He was telling me, he's like, yeah...
Because when I was looking for a fight before Arlovsky, before the Hunt fight fell off, they're like, Struve's going to be back, man.
I'm like, I don't want to fight the guy coming back from heart surgery.
Everyone's going to hate me, man.
If he dies.
Exactly.
I'm like, I don't want him dying on me.
I don't want to be known as that guy.
joe rogan
That's a good point, because did you see the Justin Gagey-Nick Newell fight?
brendan schaub
I did.
I heard Gagey just beat him.
joe rogan
Nick Newell has one arm.
He's a one-armed fighter, and everybody's rooting for him because he's a one-armed fighter.
brendan schaub
Everyone roots for him.
joe rogan
That Gaethje kid's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
He is.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
brendan schaub
I started with Gaethje.
Well, Gaethje, his first day in the gym, I was there.
We had the same head coach in Denver.
He's an animal.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
brendan schaub
All-American wrestler.
Finished seventh at nationals.
joe rogan
Brutal striker.
Brutal striker.
And Nick Newell's tough as shit.
brendan schaub
I didn't see the fight.
I know Gaethje just manhandled him, right?
Beat him up.
joe rogan
Just beat his ass.
bryan callen
He's got one arm.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's the weird thing.
It's like you're watching a guy beat a guy up who has one arm.
And Newell's very tough.
No doubt about it.
Newell's very good.
He's very tough.
brendan schaub
Now, let's say you've never seen MMA before.
You're flipping through the channels.
You're like, oh, check it out, MMA. Hold up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
This guy has one arm.
Getting his ass whooped.
What is this?
unidentified
Make a wish?
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
Like, this isn't cool.
joe rogan
And then again, if a guy with one arm beats you, that's even more of a mind fuck.
Yeah.
Do you guys beat a guy with one fucking arm?
bryan callen
I remember when in high school we would wrestle guys sometimes who were deaf or blind.
It was always an interesting thing.
brendan schaub
Well, that's different.
I had a buddy who thought he was going to be the next frickin', you know, I wrestled a couple guys who were deaf, and I wrestled a couple guys who were blind.
joe rogan
Deaf, they can see you, they grab ahold of you.
brendan schaub
One arm's tough.
One arm's tough.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
It's a very good question.
You know, there's a dude who's like the best pool player in the world who's deaf.
And when he plays pool, he turns his hearing aid off.
He doesn't hear shit.
You can talk all the shit you want.
Just goes into a zone and just fires balls.
brendan schaub
See, that's an advantage.
That's an advantage.
bryan callen
Somebody was talking about how...
I remember Timmy was saying, with wrestlers at least, they can't hear themselves breathe, which has an effect.
joe rogan
Deaf wrestlers?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Which I never thought about.
joe rogan
Has a good effect or a bad effect?
bryan callen
I guess a good effect in terms of it doesn't get psychological.
joe rogan
They don't freak out?
bryan callen
Yeah, they don't freak out.
brendan schaub
You don't know you're fatigued?
bryan callen
I don't know about that.
brendan schaub
You might be onto something because when I listen to music and I do conditioning, when I listen to music, I take it off.
I'm all, dang, I'm driving, son.
I'm about to pass out.
Put the music back on.
I'm like, oh, I'm straight.
But when you're running and listening to music, you don't realize how tired you are.
You're just sweating.
You feel good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that you get better cardio in when you have the music jam.
brendan schaub
Matter of fact, I've seen a clinical study where music does help your endurance and stuff like that.
joe rogan
It seems like it would.
It seems like it would help you if you're doing strength and conditioning workouts.
bryan callen
I have the Tiger guys on a loop for me.
Dun, dun, dun!
It's the Eye of the Tiger!
And I bench, I bench hard.
joe rogan
You know, the Eye of the Tiger guy is the same guy that is the Bud Light guy.
Bud Light.
You remember that?
bryan callen
No, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he would sing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They would have these funny things.
bryan callen
To you, Bud Light guy.
joe rogan
To you, Mr. Couch Carry Guy.
Oh, yeah, that's him?
Mr. Couch Karaoke Guy!
He was a really nice guy, man.
He was the guy from Survivor, the lead singer of Survivor.
He was with us on the Maxim Comedy Tour when I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron.
Super nice guy.
Great voice, too.
brendan schaub
Real quick, we got heavyweights up right now.
bryan callen
We were in the elevator with this guy.
He's a legit giant.
Much bigger than you, Brennan.
joe rogan
He's got Knockout King tattooed on his chest.
brendan schaub
It's kind of scary, really.
bryan callen
He was just hanging out.
We were like, what are you doing?
He goes, I'm fighting tonight.
joe rogan
That's scary.
This girl's ass is scary.
This Brazilian chick, good googly moogly.
Really?
They had international fight week, so they had the Brazilian girls walk up and the American girls walk up.
And someone needs to scrape some DNA off those Brazilian girls and clone that shit.
brendan schaub
Here, I'll do it.
joe rogan
Clone.
bryan callen
They can cross the desert without the water.
brendan schaub
He's loading up a heavy right hand from downtown.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever they have that grows asses like that in Brazil, please preserve it.
Don't let it go out like the dodo bird.
bryan callen
I'll tell you what it is.
It's a mix of Spanish and black.
joe rogan
And everything.
Well, it's such a melting pot.
brendan schaub
Bro, they had all the ring card girls.
I went into the green room, and I was literally like, fans back there, I had to shut them down.
I'm like, just give me a second.
I'm literally trying to focus over here.
joe rogan
Oh, how about this?
You know, I change, and I have to wear a suit.
You know, I wear this custom tailored suit to the UFC. Your boy Goldie wears a three-piece.
Yeah.
Guess where I change?
I change the same room where the girls change.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
So we're all buddies.
brendan schaub
Boner patrol.
Boner patrol.
joe rogan
No, no.
bryan callen
All friends here.
joe rogan
I'm fucking professional as shit.
brendan schaub
That's true.
bryan callen
You keep your eyes on the floor.
joe rogan
Do you think I ever don't flex when I'm in there, though?
First, you're sucking it in.
bryan callen
You know you do.
joe rogan
Do I ever let go of my gut and just stick it out like I'm pregnant?
bryan callen
Listen, bro.
I was just in Mexico for three days walking around the beach with no shirt on.
My stomach hurt.
I was holding it in the whole time doing everything I could.
joe rogan
I got news for you, pal.
bryan callen
People let themselves go.
joe rogan
If you hold it in, it doesn't matter.
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
You don't know.
joe rogan
Look what you're packing.
bryan callen
I got a beautiful body.
joe rogan
Derek Lewis.
Derek Lewis has got...
bryan callen
Yeah, we should talk about the fights here.
joe rogan
Guto Innocente.
That's his name.
I've never even heard of this guy, Guto.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
I think I have no heavyweights.
joe rogan
He's got some old school trauma.
brendan schaub
I was talking to Derek on the elevator.
No idea who he is.
I was like, what's up, bro?
How are you doing?
Because Brian wouldn't stop...
Freaking fantasize about his big ass body.
bryan callen
I was staring at him and I go, are you a lawyer?
So I said to him.
brendan schaub
He goes, I'm fighting tonight.
I said, light heavyweight?
He goes, heavyweight bro.
I said, oh damn.
bryan callen
No, you said, what weight?
I go, 135 Brendan, good question.
Like literally a foot taller than you.
brendan schaub
I just didn't know him.
What can you do?
joe rogan
Foot taller than Brandon?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
He's bigger.
He's bigger.
He's a legit 6'5".
brendan schaub
No.
bryan callen
Yes, he was.
brendan schaub
He might be at sandals on.
bryan callen
A lot bigger than you.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Thicker for sure.
joe rogan
Brian's kind of fucking with you.
Oh, shit.
Big shot.
Brian's kind of fucking with you.
bryan callen
Well, I just...
He needs to be careful of this guy.
joe rogan
Do you hear what I'm saying?
That's all I'm trying to say.
bryan callen
You gotta be careful of Derrick Lewis.
brendan schaub
He's trying to get me fired up.
bryan callen
I'm protecting him.
I'm protecting my friend from Derrick Lewis.
brendan schaub
You know the last time he did this?
You know the last time he did this on our podcast?
He started talking about Frank Mir.
And Frank Mir is one of my all-time favorite fighters.
I love the guy.
I didn't challenge him.
You started talking shit about him and me and him fighting.
So I'm like, I'd love to fight Frank Mir.
Sign me up, man.
That'd be amazing.
It'd be an honor.
Sure enough, headlines come out, Schaub wants to fight Frank Mayer, calls him out.
joe rogan
It's all because of Calen talking shit, pushing your buttons.
brendan schaub
That's what it is, for sure.
joe rogan
Brendan, how tall are you?
brendan schaub
6'4".
joe rogan
You're taller.
bryan callen
And Derek Lewis?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
Derek Lewis is 6'3".
joe rogan
So shut your mouth, Calum.
bryan callen
He looked a lot taller than you.
Did he not or did he?
brendan schaub
I didn't think so.
joe rogan
He did to Calum because he's black.
brendan schaub
Every person we walked by, Calum would be like, God, that guy's tough.
I bet he's tough.
I went, Brian, if you're going to do that all day, we're at a fucking UFC expo.
unidentified
They all are.
brendan schaub
We're at a UFC. I was about to freak out, bro.
bryan callen
They all are to me.
brendan schaub
No, bro, I was about to freak out.
We go in the green room.
There's Anthony Pettis in there, Joey Benavidez, you know, Chuck Liddell.
Brian goes, bro, there are some tough guys around here.
That's what he said.
joe rogan
Oh, shit, he's out!
brendan schaub
He's out!
joe rogan
He's out!
Oh, beautiful.
Beautiful job.
In the transition, Derek Lewis cracked him with a right hand.
brendan schaub
What's he doing, though?
bryan callen
Easy, Derek.
brendan schaub
That's a terrible celebration.
joe rogan
That was like a donkey.
Oh, my God.
That dude's gone.
He just goes, what happened?
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
Yeah, been there.
brendan schaub
Did he say the bell?
bryan callen
Yeah, be careful, Brennan.
joe rogan
Did he say belt?
bryan callen
Brennan, just buy him lunch.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
He's doing the belt thing.
Yeah, you don't even want to be in the same room as Cain Velasquez, dude.
bryan callen
I was in the same room.
brendan schaub
I like the confidence, though.
joe rogan
I was in the same room as Cain Velasquez.
That's...
brendan schaub
Far stretch, my man.
joe rogan
Phil Barone, when he knocked out Dave Manet, he's like, I'm the best ever!
brendan schaub
Best ever!
unidentified
I'm the best ever!
joe rogan
He was so fired up.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
That, by the way, is one of the best ever knockouts.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
He pinned him up to the cage with punches.
Kept him up with punches.
Manet was out cold.
And Barone was like literally keeping his body standing up.
brendan schaub
Little story about Barone.
I was even finding out I was just a super fan.
And Pride came to Vegas.
I got all my money together to buy these bullshit tickets with my best friend.
And they were taking pictures outside the Caesars Palace.
Fedor.
Everyone's there.
I got a boner the entire time.
I'm so excited, man.
I see Barone.
My boy liked him.
And I didn't want to take a picture with Barone.
But my boy goes, hey man, get a picture.
I'm like, alright.
There's a line.
I go up to Bro and I tap on my shoulder.
I go, hey man, you mind if we get a pic?
I'm not making this up.
Turns around, gets in my face, goes, yo bro, you just called me a prick?
Like, absolutely not.
As for a picture, I said, pic.
He goes, let's do it.
And I still have the picture.
He takes the picture, but he's staring off at like some girl's ass.
He's not even looking at the camera.
And that's the first time I ever met Phil Barone.
bryan callen
Jeez, take it easy.
brendan schaub
Did you just call me a prick?
And I literally was like, no, no, no, no.
Stuttering and shit?
No, sir.
bryan callen
Weird.
brendan schaub
Phil Barone in the house, man.
Beast.
joe rogan
Cain Velasquez.
bryan callen
There he is.
unidentified
Hmm.
Hmm.
joe rogan
Size that guy up?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
I was around him all weekend.
bryan callen
They were in the same room.
I was there.
I was like, alright.
joe rogan
What do you do when you stand around that guy?
What goes through your mind?
brendan schaub
I just want what he has.
You know, I'm just like...
You want me to be 100% honest?
Fuck that guy.
That's what I do.
When I walked in I'm like man fuck that guy I'm glad you're so glad you're so honest Like when I went to the Brian says, oh boy.
What's he going to do?
Fight me?
Sure, let's do it.
Yeah, I'm in.
joe rogan
More of the shit like, fuck EA Sports.
Fuck Game Blast.
Fuck that guy.
Fuck everything.
brendan schaub
I used trouble with his stuff.
bryan callen
He got in a little trouble.
unidentified
No, I love the purge.
brendan schaub
I love the purge.
joe rogan
But you were just fucking around, man, you know?
brendan schaub
With the EA Sports stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Listen, man, my feelings got hurt because I'm not in the EA Sports game, so they asked me what I thought of it.
unidentified
So you lashed out.
brendan schaub
A fan asked me what I thought of it, and I give my...
That's how I feel, man.
I was like, I think I should be in the game.
And so, you know, I'm not going to say what I re-said, but, you know, I said some bad things about not being in the game because my feelings were hurt.
But then I went and said, hey, listen, Fire in the Kid fans, tweet EA Sports and tell them how much you love for me to be in the game.
So, of course, headlines came out.
Shop says blank, blank EA Sports.
bryan callen
Did not go well.
What happened again?
joe rogan
What happened again?
brendan schaub
Got a call from Uncle Dana.
All from Uncle Dana.
joe rogan
Well, that's the problem with podcasts.
You can take something that we say out of context over the course of a long show.
Three hour show.
Fucking around and talking shit and having fun.
And you joke around.
You're like, fuck this or fuck that.
brendan schaub
Bro, when I say fuck...
When I walk...
So there's a UFC party I went to at some club in, who knows, in Vegas, right?
I walk in, there's the table, and it's Cain Velasquez.
And when I say I walk in and say, fuck that guy, it's because I want what he has.
I'm not being disrespectful.
Fuck that guy means I'd love to fight him, I want what he has, and I work just as hard as he does, if not harder.
That's how I feel about it.
bryan callen
Hopefully you'll see him one day across the ring and you can't have reverence for him.
brendan schaub
No, and hopefully one day he comes into a party and looks at me and says, man, fuck Brendan Chubb.
Because he wants to fight me.
That's what you want.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
That's it.
bryan callen
If it comes to Derek Lewis, just stay out of his way.
joe rogan
It's just a thing where, you know, when you take things out of context.
unidentified
I know.
brendan schaub
Oh, I get so comfortable.
Like, you guys are my boys.
We're in this room.
It's all comfy.
I got coffee.
It's all warm.
We're chilling.
We're all friends.
Got mics on.
I don't know.
I forget where I'm at sometimes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is what it is, man.
It's one of those things.
brendan schaub
I'm learning.
joe rogan
You're having fun.
I mean, to combine the two of them and the professionalism.
Look at this.
Boom!
Boom!
bryan callen
One shot from that guy.
joe rogan
Boom!
Boom!
bryan callen
He's 6'8".
joe rogan
Oh, man.
bryan callen
6'3", Brian.
He slouches when he's 6'3".
When he's standing tall, look at that.
joe rogan
He's got a t-shirt of himself.
brendan schaub
He said he's been looking at Kane for a while?
joe rogan
Picture everybody as Kane.
That's what he's saying.
So he's trying to set himself up for a title shot.
Boy, okay.
brendan schaub
Hold, hold.
I like the dream, though.
joe rogan
It's good to have a dream.
Yeah, you know, it's good to have a dream.
You might want to wait a little bit.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of guys kind of waiting in line and stuff.
joe rogan
Might want to wait a little bit.
brendan schaub
Oh, boy.
I would be surprised if Homeboy got knocked out because it's a 205. Real small heavyweight.
unidentified
Damn.
brendan schaub
Herb Dean.
I love Herb.
joe rogan
You gotta love this celebration.
Ba-boom!
brendan schaub
For sure show some emotion, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Alright, there we go.
joe rogan
Kid hits hard.
Gotta give him that.
No doubt about that.
brendan schaub
No doubt.
bryan callen
He's a giant man.
brendan schaub
This just in, though.
Every heavyweight hits hard.
joe rogan
This just in.
brendan schaub
This just in.
unidentified
If you don't, it's a bad time for you.
bryan callen
Any word on your head.
joe rogan
Has there ever been a heavyweight that doesn't hit hard?
A guy like a pillow fighting heavyweight.
What is Oscar De La Hoya doing?
brendan schaub
Let's hear this.
joe rogan
Crank this shit up.
Crank this shit up.
brendan schaub
I just picture him in drag.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Is that weird?
joe rogan
He can't not.
brendan schaub
I'm not mad at him for that, though.
bryan callen
No, me neither.
I would probably do the same thing.
joe rogan
A little more volume, Jamie.
bryan callen
I respect him more.
unidentified
Oh, how cute.
brendan schaub
Is he selling us on the fight right now?
joe rogan
I think he is.
They must be in some sort of thing.
unidentified
Huge fan.
Sweet science, knockouts.
I love it.
Well, and we certainly appreciate your support.
Now, Wednesday night, you're on Fox Sports 1. You've got a gold boy promotion.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's promoting.
Okay.
Boring!
Hey, oh, Oscar, like you'll see?
Sweet.
bryan callen
Looks fantastic, by the way.
joe rogan
Doesn't look bad.
bryan callen
Doesn't look like he took any shots to the face at all, actually.
joe rogan
Well, you know, he just got out of rehab, man.
Like, a lot of guys that have long boxing careers start getting depressed.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
And a lot of them start seeking, like, help with...
They're dopamine levels using the wrong shit, like alcohol and cocaine.
brendan schaub
That will 100% be me.
I'm going to tell you guys that right now.
joe rogan
100%.
brendan schaub
After our loss, I was like, I might need to check myself.
unidentified
You'll be able to fight at 205. I might need to go into rehab.
joe rogan
You felt it?
brendan schaub
Are you kidding me?
What?
First of all, him in drag, you can't be mad.
He was hooking up with some dime piece.
She was like, listen, the only way you're going to hit this is if you put on these stockings and put some lipstick on.
Guess what?
I'm putting on some stockings and some lipstick to hit that.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Well, she's Russian, too.
A Russian stripper.
Those bitches are mercenaries.
brendan schaub
They get wild, man.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Mercenaries.
bryan callen
Who was the guy who brought the girl up and she had her phone, her iPhone?
She recorded the whole...
What's the guy's name?
Recorded everything he was saying.
joe rogan
Who's that?
bryan callen
She kept it in her purse.
Oh god, he had a TV show.
joe rogan
What did he say?
brendan schaub
Talking about Jay Springer?
bryan callen
Just all kinds of nasty stuff when he was having sex with everyone.
joe rogan
Canelo, man.
God damn, this kid's good.
brendan schaub
Super good.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful!
That Austin Trout fight.
Look at that.
unidentified
Sweet.
brendan schaub
Ah, that fight was...
I don't want to get into boxing, but yeah.
joe rogan
The Austin Trout fight?
brendan schaub
I don't know if he won that one.
That was tough, man.
The Trout fight.
joe rogan
That one right there that you just saw him drop that dude?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you see him drop him, but that was a close fight, man.
And then all you do is see the highlights because he's fighting Floyd Mayweather next.
They made it seem like he just...
Destroyed Trout.
He definitely did not.
joe rogan
I would have to go back and watch that again.
brendan schaub
You'll have to see it, yeah.
And then Floyd Mayweather just put a clinic on him.
He's too much, I think.
He's too big.
He's too big for that weight class.
joe rogan
Canelo, as you think?
brendan schaub
Yeah, well, to fight Floyd Mayweather at the weight they fought in.
joe rogan
You think he cuts too much or he's not fast enough?
brendan schaub
He's not fast enough for Floyd.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's interesting, man.
Floyd is fast as fuck.
He's also just so smart.
So smart.
brendan schaub
His defense is the best in the world.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's nothing like it.
I've only seen him hit once.
The only time I've ever seen him hurt was Shane Mosley.
That was the only time I've ever seen him really hit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
My Donna tagged him a little bit.
brendan schaub
My Donna tagged him.
They're rematching.
I don't want to see that rematch.
They're rematching.
You want to see it?
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
I'm not into it.
joe rogan
Well, I definitely want to see the Floyd Mayweather-Sugar Shane Mosley rematch.
brendan schaub
Although I met Sugar Shane at STK. Boy, a little punchy.
A little punchy.
joe rogan
That's what happens.
A few years back, I ran into Terry Norris at a boxing event, and it was super depressing.
I hadn't seen him in forever, and all of a sudden I see...
What's going on here with this guy?
Oh, helping guys with injuries coming off of a war, probably.
He builds champions.
Is this a show?
It's all just strength and conditioning.
Everybody has to have AstroTurf now.
American Muscle.
That's what it is.
A new series.
American Muscle.
brendan schaub
I will 100% watch that.
I will be into that.
joe rogan
For sure.
American Muscle.
How crazy is that?
brendan schaub
I didn't say a word when that was there and I was just super into it.
You guys probably won't watch that.
joe rogan
I'll watch it for sure.
They have shows now about guys making pools.
My friend who came up with me with this show, I told you that I got an ear beating this weekend, this guy trying to tell me how can I make this show.
I'm like, I'm the wrong guy to talk to.
But he's like, do you think it could be a show?
I'm like, dude, there's a show about a guy that makes pools.
bryan callen
That's it.
brendan schaub
So anything's possible.
joe rogan
Not only that, all those shows, 100% bullshit.
brendan schaub
It's all scripted, right?
joe rogan
Those Pawn Star shows, not Pawn Star shows, the storage stores, they fill those lockers up.
They set it all up.
There's a guy who got fired from one of those shows and he ratted them all out.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you right now, if you tell me Team Mom's scripted, I'm going to freak out.
I'm going to freak out.
If bitches are getting pregnant just for the show, I'm about to freak out.
I love that show, man.
joe rogan
Well, I guarantee you there are some girls out there that are young and dumb who would get pregnant to be on TV. For sure.
brendan schaub
Hey, MTV, if you think that made people not want to have babies, it did the exact opposite.
These girls are like, hold up.
I get more Instagram followers by getting pregnant and getting on MTV? 100% blow your load in me.
joe rogan
Well, they're not doing it because they're trying to save the world.
I mean, I hate when they're like, We're just trying to let everyone know.
brendan schaub
It's like Team Prexy is a serious problem this day and age.
joe rogan
Derek Lewis and Guto Innocente.
How do you say it?
bryan callen
Guto Innocente.
I was just looking at Daniel Cormier in a suit and there's no reason he should be as tough as he is.
He just looks like the UPS guy.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
bryan callen
Daniel Cormier does not look like the killer.
joe rogan
Please shut your mouth.
bryan callen
He doesn't.
joe rogan
He's wide as a house.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I mean, he's actually in a suit.
He looks kind of like a thick guy.
brendan schaub
He's just small.
You're saying he's kind of small?
bryan callen
He just doesn't look like, you know, he's so amazing and such a killer and has been so dominant.
It's just not what you, when you look at him in a suit, you're like, well, he looks like a thick guy.
I've seen a lot of guys like that.
You're so weird.
joe rogan
You're such a string guy, bro.
brendan schaub
That's so weird, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're so weird.
brendan schaub
Because he'll see a little jiu-jitsu guy and be like, God, I bet that guy would rip your dick off.
bryan callen
But Conan looks like a monster.
joe rogan
You know, do you have any idea what Cormier would do to Conan?
bryan callen
Oh, I know all about it.
I know.
joe rogan
Now, back then.
bryan callen
I know.
That's what's amazing.
joe rogan
3 o'clock in the morning, drunk, standing outside a fucking pizza place.
bryan callen
And what is he, 5'10", maybe 10?
joe rogan
5'11", maybe?
bryan callen
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I'll give him 5'11".
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's an animal.
You know what he is?
He's a world-class athlete.
That's what he is.
And the mind of a world-class wrestler like that is something that...
bryan callen
He never seems remotely nervous.
It looks like he's going to buy milk.
unidentified
You know what?
brendan schaub
The only time I saw him nervous?
Frank Mir.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Really.
brendan schaub
And he even admitted it.
He admitted it.
He had UFC jitters when he fought Frank Mir.
joe rogan
He was like, dang.
Yeah, he actually talked about that, the UFC jitters.
UFC jitters are real, man.
brendan schaub
100% it's real.
joe rogan
Guess what?
He didn't have them with Dan fucking Henderson.
Holy shit, he didn't have them.
God.
bryan callen
Nobody's ragdoll for Henderson.
brendan schaub
I thought it was an episode of Bully Beatdown.
I was like, oh cool, Bully Beatdown.
Nope, UFC preview.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
Pay-per-view.
He just beat the shit.
Why'd he pick him up and body slam him like that?
Don't do that to Dan Henderson!
You bastard!
bryan callen
You killed Dan!
unidentified
You killed Dan!
brendan schaub
Why'd he do that to him though?
Dan was all tan and shit too.
joe rogan
And choked him unconscious.
Dan didn't even tap.
He went out like a man.
bryan callen
Brian said, we're in better shape than anybody.
I was grabbing his arms.
I was like, are you ready to fight?
He's like, I'm two weeks out.
brendan schaub
I can't stand when guys wear three-piece suits on TV. I don't know.
It's like, what are we doing?
You work at a funeral home?
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
They got me those jackets and the whole thing.
They got me the collared shirts that are form-fitted and the pants that are fitted to my legs and all that shit.
And the jacket, I wore it a couple times and I'm like, this is just too goofy.
brendan schaub
It's just not you, huh?
joe rogan
I can't do it.
You want to put your jacket on for this interview?
Put your jacket on for this...
Is it going to make it better if I have a jacket on?
This is ridiculous.
brendan schaub
The three-piece suit's too formal, man.
It's too much for me.
joe rogan
Behind me, people in their underwear about to shin kick each other in the face.
And you want me to wear a jacket like I'm selling insurance.
I don't get it, man.
I don't get it.
It's weird.
It's too weird.
It's a weird thing, our cultural desires to all have the same fucking outfits on if we're being serious or classy or doing business.
bryan callen
Formality.
brendan schaub
I have a suit on, so listen to what I'm saying.
I know what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Clearly, I'm prepared for no nonsense.
brendan schaub
Apparently, if I have a v-neck on, I'm playing grab ass.
bryan callen
Standards?
brendan schaub
Well, guess what?
I'm playing grab ass all the time then.
joe rogan
Iron Mike Productions?
Yep.
Oh my god, Mike Tyson has his own production?
brendan schaub
Oh my god, Mike Tyson must be bored as shit.
joe rogan
It's Wednesday and Thursday.
Wow, Iron Mike Productions.
Interesting, man.
brendan schaub
Did you see his show when he was doing Broadway stuff?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Oh, it was good.
joe rogan
I heard it was awesome.
Was he done with it?
Did he stop doing it?
brendan schaub
I think so, because he's doing that bullshit promotion thing now.
joe rogan
Oh, the fights?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I bet so.
I bet he's done.
joe rogan
Well, he's only got so many stories, I guess.
You know, I mean, it's one of those things like...
Did you guys remember Defending the Caveman?
Yes.
It was essentially like a hack stand-up comedy act.
And it was like...
bryan callen
He's made so much money on that?
joe rogan
Yeah, not only did he make so much money out of it, Michael Chiklis, that guy from The Shield, he actually performed it for a while.
He was selling it so other guys could perform it.
Like, he had this act...
And guys would do it.
It was like they were selling it as a theater show.
But it was essentially like kind of a hacky stand-up comedy act.
bryan callen
It's still performed everywhere.
brendan schaub
I've never heard of it.
bryan callen
It's still making a fortune.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
bryan callen
It's the difference between men and women.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Men are like this and women are like that.
But it's nothing groundbreaking.
It's like, you know, I mean, I guess it's probably well done if people enjoy it.
bryan callen
I saw it on Broadway, actually.
joe rogan
What did you think about it?
bryan callen
I thought that it was well written.
I didn't think he was a performer.
He wasn't.
I saw the original guy who wrote it do it and so then now he just licenses it out to other actors.
joe rogan
To scrubs?
bryan callen
Yeah, but it's actually back then.
brendan schaub
They have to have it for material?
bryan callen
He basically draws the distinction between hunters and gatherers.
And the difference is when men go to shop, for example, they're linear.
They want to go get their jeans.
They're going to find it and kill it and take the jeans and leave.
Women, when they go shop, they want to touch things, smell it.
They go through it.
They're gathering.
brendan schaub
Well, Then I'm a chick because I take forever.
bryan callen
There's a lot of truth to it.
I take forever.
You have a lot of feminine energy, bro.
brendan schaub
I like my fashion, man.
I don't like to rush and fucking grab jeans from Target.
bryan callen
Why'd you look at my groin?
brendan schaub
It's in my face.
bryan callen
There you go.
You like my Japanese denim, huh?
joe rogan
Jeans from Target.
bryan callen
These are Japanese down and these are not from Target.
joe rogan
I buy 90% of my clothes online.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
brendan schaub
How's it fit?
Because you're not a small dude.
You have weird dimensions.
You do.
unidentified
You have weird dimensions.
brendan schaub
Like a bridge troll.
No, because you're like thick.
You know what I'm saying?
You're in shape.
So you can't buy just like regular sweatpants from freaking Sam's Club.
joe rogan
Yeah, I buy things that are, like, certain brands that I can buy, like Lucky Jeans.
I can buy, like, Lucky Jeans, but I have to buy the waist too big.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have a 32-inch waist, so I buy, like, a 33 or 34-inch waist.
So they fit my legs.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Loud snore on the planet, by the way.
How's your snoring going?
joe rogan
It's not bad.
bryan callen
No?
joe rogan
It's pretty good.
bryan callen
I couldn't sleep.
Went deer hunting, didn't sleep for four days.
brendan schaub
Because he was snoring neck.
bryan callen
It would start about two in the morning, just...
brendan schaub
I'm a little bit of snoring myself.
joe rogan
It's a neck thing.
bryan callen
I would do this to you.
I go, eh, eh.
I go, eh, eh, eh.
unidentified
And you go, and stop for a second.
bryan callen
Then you go, eh, eh, eh.
joe rogan
By the way, I got a new mouthpiece, so you don't have to worry about that anymore.
bryan callen
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
So we can cuddle now.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
bryan callen
Fantastic.
joe rogan
I got a mouthpiece that presses my tongue down.
And it keeps my tongue from falling back in my mouth.
brendan schaub
So you don't snort?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's uncomfortable at first.
It feels like you're going to throw up.
Like someone's trying to put their dick down your mouth.
brendan schaub
Trying to deep throat your mouth.
bryan callen
My father's got really bad sleep apnea.
He's got to have like a mask and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what I'm trying to avoid doing.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then there's also a surgery that you can get where they take out your tonsils and your adenoids.
bryan callen
My friend did it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
It was a long recovery.
brendan schaub
Or you just keep snoring and you go on with life, all right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what?
Dudes say that as a long recovery.
They also say that about the fucking nose thing.
The deviated septum can't get me from doing it for a long time.
I had it done.
It was easy.
It was great.
I mean, my nose was a little sensitive, but I was rolling six weeks later, and I was breathing great.
Yep.
brendan schaub
Do you still breathe great?
Because my surgery...
bryan callen
Man.
brendan schaub
Pretty good.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so good.
Dude, my whole life I had a whack nose.
I fell down a flight of stairs.
brendan schaub
My surgery wasn't successful.
joe rogan
Well, you probably went back to the gym like a week later and started getting punched in the face.
brendan schaub
You just said you went back a week later.
joe rogan
Rolling.
I was rolling.
No punches.
brendan schaub
You fell down the stairs and broke your nose.
joe rogan
When I was five.
Yeah, when I was five years old, smashed my nose, shattered it.
Cement stare.
And from then on, it was useless.
And then my whole life was wrestling, martial arts.
I got hit in the face who knows how many times.
I know I broke my nose at least probably ten, a dozen times.
At least.
And then there's all this scar tissue buildup.
And then they take your turbinates.
They trim your turbinates down.
My nose actually got wider after the surgery because...
When he cut me open, this guy was a real wizard.
He retired, Dr. Feinstein in Encino.
And he put these forms, these things, these plastic splints and shoved it.
He's like, what is your main concern?
And I explain, you know, like I do martial arts and stuff and I can't breathe out of my nose and all this different jazz.
And he's like, you know, we're going to open it wide.
We're going to really get in there.
We're going to trim down what's called the turbinates, all these different things.
We're going to spread it out.
So he, like, cut me open and took out all this scar tissue.
I mean, he showed it to me.
He had, like, a plate of all the shit that he pulled out of my nose.
Oh, it was incredible.
And then he stuffed these plastic things in that sort of wedged my nose open and then stuffed these foam inserts in place.
bryan callen
I had the same thing, but my nose collapsed, and he had to take a piece of cartilage and put it under my nose.
And this is...
I am not kidding.
unidentified
Where'd you get the cartilage?
joe rogan
Where'd they cut it out?
bryan callen
I don't know.
He had to put an extra piece.
And I'm telling you that for two weeks, my nose, look, my nose, I look like a pig.
joe rogan
Hold on.
brendan schaub
No, Brian had a nose job.
Brian had a nose job.
joe rogan
Brian, but they don't take cartilage from other people's body and put it in your body.
bryan callen
No, no.
They must have taken it from my nose, but he said I had to take a piece of cartilage and put it under your nose because it collapsed.
joe rogan
They don't take cartilage from your nose and put it in your nose.
That doesn't make sense.
brendan schaub
I'm going to bail Brian out.
So they just showed the Ultimate Fighter, the hometown, where they go to their hometown and show them.
This is funny.
When I was on...
bryan callen
You guys are just passing over my nose.
brendan schaub
Well, you for sure made that up.
joe rogan
Something's clearly made.
brendan schaub
I'm doing a saw in here.
unidentified
I'm doing a saw in here.
bryan callen
I literally had to have my nose glass and they had to put it under.
And so my nose was up like this as patty for two weeks.
brendan schaub
It's called a nose job.
bryan callen
And I said, is my nose going to come back to normal?
I said, it'll come back.
brendan schaub
Well, they gave you a dick nose.
bryan callen
Which it did.
brendan schaub
Yeah, your nose looks like a...
bryan callen
And my nose is a little more turned up than it was, by the way.
It used to have a nice bend to my nose.
joe rogan
What year was this?
unidentified
1983. No, it was 1990. 1989. That's a number.
joe rogan
Another summer.
bryan callen
98, I think?
joe rogan
98. Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a great operation, though, if you get it done correctly and it takes.
God.
brendan schaub
Mine didn't take.
So they showed the Ultimate Fighter where they go hometown.
This is when I was the Ultimate Fighter.
This is how naive and stupid I was.
This is how cocky I was back then.
So I had four fights.
Made it all the way to the finale on Ultimate Fighter.
They come to your hometown, you're training to get ready for the fight, and they go into your background, your life, stuff like that.
And my thing on there, I was talking about how Roy Nelson, who was a former world chairman of all these fights, has never fought anybody like me.
And that was my comment.
I was like, don't worry, he's never fought anyone like me.
And everyone on mine was like, huh?
He fought Andre Oloski, he fought freaking everybody.
I just didn't take that into account, man.
bryan callen
Back in the day.
brendan schaub
I was just talking shit on mine, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you talk shit, but I love the fact that you admit that you talk shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, what can you do, man?
You gotta keep it real.
You gotta keep it real.
bryan callen
At least you get back in there and fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're honest about the shit talk.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is important.
It's important if you're gonna talk shit, to be honest about it.
Have you seen this?
This is the strain.
This is the...
Guillermo del Toro.
It was a really good book for like three-quarters of the way in and then it became shit.
I wonder what they're gonna do.
But apparently the whole time they were making the book for a miniseries.
They were designing it as a miniseries.
It's about vampires.
I hope they do a good job.
brendan schaub
Ooh, anything with vampires I watch.
joe rogan
Me too.
brendan schaub
Vampires or zombies, but I prefer to be a vampire if I had to pick one.
I don't know if you guys are thinking about that.
joe rogan
I love me a monster movie.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
joe rogan
Love them.
brendan schaub
Farmers only.
joe rogan
This is all for dudes trying to date chicks.
brendan schaub
But you have to be a farmer?
Like, can I get on there even though I'm not a farmer and just clean house with these farmer bitches?
Just like, listen girl, I know you're looking for a farmer to send her dick pics, but from Marina Del Rey, just on the ocean with a dick.
You ain't no farmer.
You ain't no farmer.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
I'm farming sand, bitch.
bryan callen
Farming sand.
joe rogan
farming sand and growing loads.
brendan schaub
Like, is there going to be repercussions since I'm not a farmer?
I'm trying to slang all these bitches on Farmers Only?
joe rogan
No, if you're into dating farmers, you know, like maybe the girls are not just into farmers, they're into guys who like farmer girls.
brendan schaub
But is there like one farmer girl who's just a beast on there, none of these...
Shitty farmers can get to her.
Then I create a profile and they hate me.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
And then they come find me.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's like some Misha Tate looking farmer.
brendan schaub
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Out there wearing mini skirts and high heels.
Pushing the big ass.
brendan schaub
Just on a horse.
Just blow out ass on a horse.
joe rogan
Yeah, some Jessica Biel looking farmer bitch.
bryan callen
Yeah, she's out there.
brendan schaub
I'm going to sign up for that when we need you.
joe rogan
You think so?
I do.
Really?
bryan callen
Sure, man.
brendan schaub
100% there's someone like that out there, right?
bryan callen
I mean, you do stand about in Minnesota and places like that.
joe rogan
There's some Jessica Marichick picking apples.
brendan schaub
Just innocent, just has no idea what's going on.
joe rogan
Looks over her shoulder at you.
Oh, hi, Brendan.
Want to help me with these apples?
bryan callen
Drinking raw milk and eating apples all day.
joe rogan
You're just trying to be nice, trying to be nice the whole time.
Okay, so Eddie Gordon, who is, this is Matt Serra's guy, and he's fighting out of Ray Longo's camp.
Matt Serra, Ray Longo.
And then Diego Lima, who's Douglas Lima, who's the Bellator champion.
Bad motherfucker.
That's his brother.
Diego Lima had some fucking good fights in the house.
unidentified
Three rounds in the UFC. Three rounds.
brendan schaub
I flew in with Bruce Buffer.
We had some interesting conversations about dating.
It was fun.
It was fun.
joe rogan
Was it really?
brendan schaub
It's only a 40 minute flight.
joe rogan
How many times did you talk about pussy in 40 minutes?
brendan schaub
For 40 minutes.
It was Bruce and this stuff.
It was interesting.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the cover of Fighters Magazine?
Fighters Only Magazine with Bruce?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Bruce with lipstick all over his face.
Kisses all over his face.
Two hot broads with him.
brendan schaub
Greatest cover ever.
joe rogan
He's got two champagne bottles with him.
Jamie, pull that shit up.
unidentified
Pull that shit up.
bryan callen
Living the life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's quite redonkulous.
brendan schaub
Eve Levine.
So you know someone is definitely in fucked up if they get knocked down.
Because he does not jump in early.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Whenever Eve Levine comes into your back room and he's like, listen, I'll be your referee.
You're like, damn, I better be on it this fight.
I'm about to get my ass whooped if he's done it.
joe rogan
He stopped the Alexis Davis fight the right time when Ronda had her out.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
I'll joke in a side.
I'm just making a joke.
He's a great referee.
joe rogan
He's a very good referee.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Look at this.
There's Bruce.
bryan callen
Two different weight glasses.
joe rogan
Look at him.
He's got the glass.
Look, the girl's kissing him.
He's got the two glasses.
brendan schaub
Oh, I love it, man.
Bruce is living the La Vida Loca.
joe rogan
That's Cub Swanson.
That's Cub Swanson.
If you scroll up, you can see what it says about Bruce Buffer.
Scroll down.
brendan schaub
Scroll down, yeah.
Buffer's popping bottles and kissing bottles.
joe rogan
The secret Playboy lifestyle.
brendan schaub
Damn!
And it's like a tell-all?
joe rogan
Of course.
All.
unidentified
All.
joe rogan
Like, really all.
He doesn't hold anything down.
brendan schaub
I love it.
He told me, Brendan, why don't you get down to Malibu and we'll find some bitches?
All right.
Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
joe rogan
That's a strange choice of words.
brendan schaub
No, I love it.
joe rogan
Eddie Gordon and Diego Lima.
Let's get to this, because these are two good fighters.
Gordon's a banger, man.
He's tough as shit.
unidentified
Depending on the camera angle, man.
bryan callen
Looks like Lima's a lot taller.
joe rogan
Oh, he's tall.
He's very tall.
Oh, Gordon cracked him!
bryan callen
Whoa.
joe rogan
Damn, he's throwing.
Oh, no!
brendan schaub
I'm assuming he has...
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Hammered is bringing it, son.
I'm assuming he has good jiu-jitsu training with Matt Serra.
joe rogan
Oh, he cracked him with that uppercut.
brendan schaub
Beautiful uppercut.
That's behind the head.
unidentified
Oh, he's...
joe rogan
Lima's in big trouble.
Big trouble.
Boom!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Oh, he's out.
They should stop him.
You are so right about Levi Levine.
He's out cold.
So right.
Look at that.
Damn, what a performance by Eddie Gordon.
Man, that kid can crack.
I love that uppercut through under the armpit from the side.
You can't see it.
brendan schaub
It's so hard to get out of the way of it.
joe rogan
Such a nasty punch.
brendan schaub
Especially when you're against the cage.
bryan callen
That's how Henderson got knocked out by...
I mean, that's how Fedor got knocked out by Henderson.
joe rogan
Man, that kid brought it.
brendan schaub
It's been brought in.
bryan callen
Strong fella.
joe rogan
Yeah, he brought it, planted it, built a forest with it, cut the forest down, made houses with it.
bryan callen
He's 185 pounds, by the way.
brendan schaub
Now he's on Farmers.com.
bryan callen
What's he weight right now walking around?
220?
joe rogan
It's interesting.
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I don't know, Brian.
joe rogan
He's definitely got a little bit of fat on his body.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's also got a lot of muscle on his body.
joe rogan
He's got a little bit jiggling going on there.
Look at that.
Matt Serra, very excited.
Weidman.
His name's Weidman, motherfucker.
He's the champ of the world.
bryan callen
How dare you?
brendan schaub
How good did he look?
joe rogan
Yeah, he looked awesome.
brendan schaub
No one fucks up Machida like that.
joe rogan
Look at that.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
With that right hand.
brendan schaub
I see you having a beard in the back.
unidentified
Boom!
bryan callen
Is that him?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Check this out.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
He fakes it.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
Is he hitting the back of the head there?
brendan schaub
Yeah, but if it's in transition, you're fine.
bryan callen
Where is he hitting the back of the head?
brendan schaub
Boom.
You'll see he hits him in the back of the head.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Right there?
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, that was kind of behind the ear.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
In transition, you're good, though.
It doesn't matter.
They tell you that, too.
They tell you that in the back.
joe rogan
In transition.
brendan schaub
In the back, they go, if you're in transition, you turn your head and you get hit on the back of the head.
That's not you.
unidentified
Boom.
Boom.
joe rogan
These are legal.
bryan callen
He's out here.
He's out here.
joe rogan
Boom.
Now he's out.
Boom.
brendan schaub
So he took about four that he probably shouldn't have.
joe rogan
No, I think it was perfect.
bryan callen
Perfect.
joe rogan
Perfect stoppage.
bryan callen
His arm went limp.
joe rogan
You know what's kind of crazy when it comes to back of the head?
Those head kicks.
When you think about a head kick, you're wrapping around.
You're completely targeting the back of the head.
brendan schaub
The thing is, though, like they said, it's in transition.
There's nothing you can really do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And like I said, they tell you in the back.
They're like, listen, man, if it's in transition, you're moving, it hits you in the back of the head.
It's on you.
joe rogan
Weidman and Anthony Bourdain.
bryan callen
Oh, I love Anthony Bourdain.
brendan schaub
Do you watch that show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Please don't know.
I watch it too.
bryan callen
What is this?
joe rogan
Hercules is shooting a lion?
bryan callen
This is Hercules, dude.
brendan schaub
That's The Rock is Hercules.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
100% natural.
45 years old.
Never done a steroid in his life.
brendan schaub
No, never, man.
bryan callen
He's not 45. How old is he?
35, I think.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
brendan schaub
Shut the fuck up.
bryan callen
The Rock?
The Rock?
joe rogan
He was making shit up.
brendan schaub
He's not 35. He is every bit of 40-something.
bryan callen
No.
No, no, no.
You're wrong.
joe rogan
Why do you say you're wrong when you don't know?
First of all, Brian, he's 42. Ah, damn it!
bryan callen
Is he?
brendan schaub
It's insane.
He's 42. The thing is, I don't need to check.
I don't need to check.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're always wrong.
bryan callen
I'm always wrong.
joe rogan
Pretty much always wrong.
bryan callen
You know, give or take, I meant 35. Come on, guys.
unidentified
Seven years.
joe rogan
What are we fucking splitting hairs?
bryan callen
You know?
I'm only arguing over it.
You guys are all like accurate.
joe rogan
So boring.
unidentified
Whatever.
bryan callen
I just like being, what is the word?
Incendiary?
joe rogan
Have you ever ridden a motorcycle, man?
bryan callen
Yes, a long time ago.
brendan schaub
No, never.
joe rogan
Do you want to?
brendan schaub
Really, really bad.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, right?
brendan schaub
I'm going to buy one, man.
joe rogan
I see those goddamn commercials.
It looks like so much fun.
brendan schaub
I know.
So dangerous, though, right?
I just rode my bike through Venice, and I was scared as shit.
bryan callen
Super dangerous.
brendan schaub
I was on the road.
joe rogan
It's more dangerous, because you can't move.
You can't really get away from shit.
brendan schaub
But they say your chances of crashing on your bike is 99% the first year you buy one.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Motorcycle.
Yeah, motorcycle.
bryan callen
Every biker will tell you it's a matter of time.
You're going to crash.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's just how bad is it?
bryan callen
I saw a guy die.
brendan schaub
Did you?
I just don't want to do it.
bryan callen
It was really weird.
He slid off his bike and hit a curb and hit his head.
That was it.
joe rogan
You saw it?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Whoa.
brendan schaub
What'd you do?
Anything?
joe rogan
Sucked his dick while he was dead.
Jacked him off.
bryan callen
Stopped.
unidentified
Stopped.
brendan schaub
I got out, jacked him off, jumped back in my car.
joe rogan
I got out, fucked him, came in his ass.
bryan callen
Took his watch.
joe rogan
Drove home with his wallet in my pocket.
bryan callen
There it is.
Yeah, that's bad news.
joe rogan
Gordon's a beast, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, I know how this guy on the left feels right now, losing the Ultimate Fighter.
You think your life is over?
I started applying at Monsters.com.
Put a resume on after the Ultimate Fighter on Monsters.com.
joe rogan
What's Monsters.com?
brendan schaub
It's a job search place where you upload your resume and people try to find you for a job.
bryan callen
Oh, man.
brendan schaub
I'm making that up.
I didn't do that.
But I felt like doing it.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Very exciting.
brendan schaub
Not matter the ring card, girl.
bryan callen
I didn't notice.
joe rogan
That guy's got a future.
He's got a future.
brendan schaub
They both do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're right.
Diego Lima's got a future, too.
bryan callen
What is Diego Lima now?
What does his contract say now?
He still fights in the UFC? Yes.
brendan schaub
He'll get one more shot.
You lose that one, you're done.
bryan callen
Really?
brendan schaub
Scariest fight I've ever had.
Lose to Roy Nelson.
Then they tell me, oh, we want you to fight in your hometown.
No pressure.
Hometown.
I think four months later.
joe rogan
Who'd you fight?
brendan schaub
Chase Gormley.
And beat the brakes off him in 37 seconds.
37 seconds in front of the home crowd.
bryan callen
Who was your fight after that?
brendan schaub
I just was throwing like this.
I was so nervous.
I had no idea what I was doing.
I was so nervous, man.
Most nervous I've ever been, because I thought if I lost that, I wouldn't have a career.
Which is kind of true.
bryan callen
All that work.
brendan schaub
Kind of true.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is kind of true, right?
brendan schaub
You lose that one, the UFC goes, oh, we're good, man.
joe rogan
Has anybody ever gone from the UFC, gotten cut, came back...
brendan schaub
From the Ultimate Fighter?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Came back and, like, made a run at the title.
So far.
Nobody, right?
brendan schaub
I can't think of anyone.
joe rogan
No.
Who's like the best guy that's been cut and looks sensational in other organizations?
Probably Anthony Johnson.
bryan callen
Well, at one point, Nate Marquardt, who at Strikeforce won, beat Tyron Woodley.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was in Strikeforce.
Still in the Zufa banner.
brendan schaub
That's true.
Yeah, because Zufa owned him at the time and gave him the title shot.
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Anthony Johnson got cut, but that was mostly a weight issue thing.
brendan schaub
It was a weight issue.
joe rogan
But God damn, did he look good.
brendan schaub
Think about it.
When you get cut from the UFC and you move on, especially a young guy, I'm trying to think who does well.
Melvin Gillard just won, but that's really his first one.
joe rogan
Did Gillard win?
brendan schaub
He did win.
He missed weight though again.
joe rogan
He did again?
brendan schaub
Yes.
It's frustrating.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
Do you not get any purse when that happens?
brendan schaub
No, you lose 20% of it.
The other guy gets 20%.
joe rogan
It's so interesting to see different guys and their different weight cutting strategies and Some guys believe in drinking distilled water and some guys say you shouldn't drink distilled water.
They're trying to rid their body of electrolytes so it's easy to...
Look at this.
Boom!
Gordon with the big right hand.
The idea behind it is that you rid your body of all these electrolytes, keep pumping it with fluids, and then the fluids just flush out of your system quicker and then you can replenish them quicker.
You know, I gotta have Dolce on and talk to him about that show.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'd say whatever Dolce's doing, probably stick to that, everybody.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Tiago Alves never looked better in his last fight.
That's another thing, a lot of guys are coming in.
They're like real light, like the week of.
Like Machida...
brendan schaub
Well, Machida walked around at 203 pounds.
When he was champ, when he was competing at 205, he was 203 pounds.
bryan callen
That's just his natural weight.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's just what he does.
joe rogan
You know, he's thinking of going to 170. No.
Yep.
brendan schaub
That's what he said in the interview?
joe rogan
The week of the fight, they said he could go to 170. I was asking them.
I was in the locker room or the training room with them.
brendan schaub
See, that's the thing.
People ask me about cutting to 205 all the time.
When you go down a weight class, everyone's skills get better and everyone's way faster.
So my advantage at heavyweight is cardio, speed, right?
When you go down to 205, now it's almost even.
It doesn't become your advantage, really, I don't think.
joe rogan
Right.
This comes a point of diminishing returns, right?
Yes.
That hits the...
There was you.
unidentified
Look at him.
You're on TV. You can check that on UFC Now.
bryan callen
Looks like he's wearing eyeliner, but he's just got that natural sort of dark thing on.
brendan schaub
Just a black eye all the time.
joe rogan
Just the pure black eye.
Smoldering.
bryan callen
Smoldering is right.
joe rogan
Straight smoldering.
brendan schaub
A little cutie on UFC Now.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Here's your show again.
American Muscle.
brendan schaub
Look at me.
joe rogan
I'm picking up weights and I'm doing it on some fake grass.
brendan schaub
Fake grass.
joe rogan
Everybody has to have fake grass.
He builds champions from the inside out.
Dun, dun, dun, dun.
brendan schaub
It looked like that was Rashad Evans.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
All these guys are running.
bryan callen
Your strength coach had me...
brendan schaub
Lauren Lando?
bryan callen
Yeah, invited me to come run with the NFL. Did you do it?
No, I did not.
brendan schaub
You're a pussy.
bryan callen
I had to get on a plane to go to Mexico.
brendan schaub
I doubt that.
bryan callen
Didn't want to get humiliated.
Didn't want to get humiliated, by the way.
I would have come up with an excuse anyway.
Because guess what?
I don't want to have to try to run against the Denver Broncos.
brendan schaub
No, you're not running against them.
You're...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
You're jumping their work out.
joe rogan
Hey, Brennan.
bryan callen
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
In my mind.
The mind of Brian Callen.
Yeah, he's running.
brendan schaub
Oh, then definitely don't show up.
I'm running against them.
I'm running against them.
Because not only are you not going to win, but they're dicks and are slapping the face as they run by me.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
brendan schaub
Yeah, definitely don't show up then.
I thought you were going as like a fanboy.
unidentified
It'd be cool for you.
bryan callen
Hey, even if I was, it doesn't make me feel good about myself.
joe rogan
How many times a week are you working out, Brian?
You talk a lot about working out.
bryan callen
Twice a day.
I don't know if you know that.
joe rogan
No, quite honestly.
bryan callen
Be real.
I do something almost every day.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
You do something almost every day.
unidentified
You know what?
bryan callen
Can you not like...
Really?
brendan schaub
You made up a nose job.
So it's a little tough.
bryan callen
I didn't make up a nose job.
brendan schaub
I bailed out, but I had to go back to it.
You made up, you had a nose job.
bryan callen
That'd be a weird thing to make up, wouldn't it?
joe rogan
I know, but you definitely made up the part about them taking cartilage out of your nose and putting it in your nose.
Your details are super sketchy.
bryan callen
Here's what they did.
They took cartilage and they put it under right here.
brendan schaub
That never happened.
joe rogan
You can just...
Here's the problem.
brendan schaub
I think you're confused.
bryan callen
If you're a doctor, please write in about how that happened.
joe rogan
They take a plastic splint, and they do put it right there where you're talking about.
bryan callen
I had that.
joe rogan
To sort of keep that thing up.
They did that to me, too.
But it's plastic.
bryan callen
It's not cartilage.
No, no, no.
That's exactly what he said.
He said, when you were under, you were under for a long time, your nose collapsed.
joe rogan
A long time.
Days.
bryan callen
I was under for days.
Anesthesia for days.
brendan schaub
Michael Jackson stuff.
bryan callen
And I had to take, I had to add a piece of cartilage to it.
Right under here.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what he's calling his dick.
Where did they get it from?
bryan callen
Probably from the inside.
I have spare cartilage.
joe rogan
Brian, there's no spare cartilage.
bryan callen
I'm not a doctor, guys.
joe rogan
I think this is a long time ago.
brendan schaub
We bailed you out and we're back on it.
I tried bailing you out, Brian.
joe rogan
This is 16 years ago.
Things get real shady when you're talking about something wrong.
bryan callen
Guys, I'm going to stick to my guns here.
I had cartilage in my nose.
I don't really have a dog in that race.
brendan schaub
In Brian's defense, he is at the boxing gym all the time.
He's there a lot.
I'll give him that.
joe rogan
I believe that.
brendan schaub
Boxing a lot.
bryan callen
I like working out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good for you.
You need it.
bryan callen
I feel better.
If I don't want to work out, I get a little crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
By the way, your boy Lauren took me through a workout for an hour in that Denver altitude, and I didn't lift a lot of weights.
Let me tell you something.
I'm having trouble walking around right now.
joe rogan
Oh, this is supposed to be a good fight.
This happened earlier.
Adriano Martins.
brendan schaub
Homeboy kicks from the nuts.
joe rogan
Does he?
Martins is the guy that Donald Cerrone KO'd.
He's a jiu-jitsu champion.
Yeah, he's a jiu-jitsu guy.
brendan schaub
With a bad head kick.
Oh, it was a McNasty head kick.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a shin to the neck.
brendan schaub
Damn!
bryan callen
This guy's looking like he's just walking in.
unidentified
Bang, bang, bang.
bryan callen
Not a lot of head movement.
brendan schaub
Not a lot of technique.
Just straight forward.
bryan callen
Muscular guys are just walking in.
joe rogan
Well, the dude has good striking and good jiu-jitsu too.
brendan schaub
Really good jiu-jitsu.
Definitely better than striking.
bryan callen
The guy with the beard or the guy who are you talking about?
joe rogan
The guy without the beard.
Martins.
He's the guy that Cerrone KO'd in his last fight.
But his Muay Thai is very good too, man.
There's so many good fighters now.
It's just such a crazy time for the sport.
brendan schaub
Crazy.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
I mean, you're seeing these guys in other organizations.
You're seeing these guys in other shows.
You're seeing every week, like, every time there's a new car, there's some new guy who's coming up.
brendan schaub
You know what was weird?
At the UFC Expo, obviously it's the UFC Expo, so everyone's there looking for UFC fighters.
I can't walk through, right?
It's a beast.
You have to have security.
Most UFC fighters do.
If you're a popular fighter, you can't walk through.
Chandler from Bellator.
I saw him like, oh shit, there's Chandler.
I've never seen him.
Not one person stopped him.
Could walk straight through.
That's the difference.
Oh, you want to go to Bellator?
Good luck.
No sponsors.
No one knows who you are.
People might kind of watch, but not really unless you're Rampage Jackson.
joe rogan
For now, do you think that if Bellator sticks around and changes its goofy fucking name?
I think, look, they're on Spike TV. Oh, nice elbow.
brendan schaub
Straight down the middle.
And I think the biggest move they've ever made, Hiram Scott Coker.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that is nice.
brendan schaub
They gotta get some young talent though, man.
You can't be...
I mean, I love Rampage, but you need to build your own.
You can't have ex-UFC guys.
joe rogan
Right, but that was how they built that pay-per-view.
They sold 100,000 pay-per-views.
The reason why they did it was because of Tito Ortiz and because of Rampage.
brendan schaub
I agree.
Yeah, that's great.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Beautiful straight left.
Oh, and a kick to the saccaroonie.
bryan callen
Ouch.
joe rogan
Down.
brendan schaub
Dick shot.
joe rogan
Down.
bryan callen
Dick shot.
joe rogan
That was another thing that I talked to Duke Rufus about, and Delegrate says the same thing.
He said, you gotta wear a tie cup.
Those steel tie cups.
brendan schaub
Steel cup.
Oh, your boy sent me one.
I got a diamond cup.
joe rogan
Diamond cup.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it was dope.
Loved it.
joe rogan
Great, right?
brendan schaub
Loved it, yeah.
bryan callen
It really protects you?
brendan schaub
It protects this dime piece of a dick I got.
joe rogan
Dime piece.
brendan schaub
Only the best for this thing.
joe rogan
But this is what I was going to tell you.
What Delegrate said and what Duke Rufus said is like the tie cups are steel.
And so when someone kicks you, it hurts their foot.
brendan schaub
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it just completely snugs up against your junk.
brendan schaub
So it can't go anywhere.
bryan callen
I might just wear one anyway.
brendan schaub
It's like Snuffleupagus and a ski mask.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you're tying it in place.
You said it feels uncomfortable and it wedges you.
bryan callen
You tie it in place?
joe rogan
Yeah, you tie it like a wedge.
It goes up your ass like a G-string.
Yeah.
But after the fight is over, first of all, the area near your butthole must smell awful.
That's strange.
bryan callen
You can wear it to the mall.
brendan schaub
Get ready to watch this.
I'm telling you guys, you want to see this.
He goes, you kick me in the nuts?
You kick me in the nuts?
Alright.
joe rogan
Boom!
brendan schaub
Eve Levine was on that one.
joe rogan
Beautiful right hand.
Very nice.
unidentified
Very nice.
brendan schaub
Guys get upset when you kick them in the nuts.
joe rogan
It's got a pretty decent back.
bryan callen
It's a good call there, Brennan.
joe rogan
Good back structure there.
bryan callen
You called it.
joe rogan
What happened earlier today, Brian?
bryan callen
Oh.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
I read on Twitter what happened.
bryan callen
I know.
I'm not that smart.
I was just saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you remember the part where I said, I heard this was a good fight?
brendan schaub
And I said, yeah, someone gets kicked in the nuts.
bryan callen
Not a close listener, guys.
joe rogan
Not when it's not about you.
bryan callen
I'm not all about details.
joe rogan
If we're talking about you, you'd be about the details.
bryan callen
Yeah, I get very cute in.
I get very cute in.
brendan schaub
In Brian's world, he had a nose job in The Rocks, 25 years old.
bryan callen
It wasn't a nose job.
It was a deviated septum.
There's a difference, man.
joe rogan
I can't tell you when I told people we were going to do this, but look at that beautiful right hook.
Oh my goodness.
bryan callen
Did everybody say, go easy on me?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's all they said.
Be nice to Callen.
Do you understand that Brian Callen's like my brother, you fucking idiots?
There's people listening.
brendan schaub
We love each other.
He thought The Rock was 24 years old.
joe rogan
And by the way, he deserves it.
He deserves everything he gets.
He didn't have cartilage put in his fucking nose.
We all know that.
We're going to let it go.
bryan callen
I'll call the doctor right now, you guys.
joe rogan
Probably really isn't a black belt in Taekwondo, but it's okay.
It's okay.
unidentified
Shh.
joe rogan
Keep it down.
Details.
What's his face as a wrestler in this?
bryan callen
Channing Tatum.
Channing Tatum.
Hung with him in Vegas one weekend.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness, this is that movie about that fucking crazy asshole.
This is that movie about...
bryan callen
Schultz?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
Oh boy.
joe rogan
Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
He got shot by that guy who was a patron.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck was his name?
brendan schaub
Damn, it looked good.
joe rogan
Crazy guy.
bryan callen
His name was...
joe rogan
It's supposed to be a good movie.
bryan callen
He was a big mogul or came from a family.
joe rogan
God damn it.
bryan callen
Oh man.
What the hell was his name?
I can't remember.
joe rogan
Let's see.
unidentified
It's not about me.
joe rogan
I'll follow it up right here.
It was killed by DuPont.
John DuPont.
bryan callen
John DuPont, right.
joe rogan
Really rich guy.
I like to wrestle with people.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Steve Carell is playing DuPont.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
I love it.
bryan callen
That'll be a good movie.
joe rogan
And apparently he knocks it out of a fucking park.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, by the way, Channing Tatum.
brendan schaub
Dime piece.
joe rogan
You need to make your body look way better if you want to play Mark Schultz, bitch.
How about that?
brendan schaub
He's a little chunky in 22 Jump Street.
joe rogan
Smooth and chubby.
brendan schaub
It's because he's hanging out with Joe, what's his name?
joe rogan
Jonah Hill.
brendan schaub
Jonah Hill's fabulous.
joe rogan
He's the guy who looks great compared to Jonah Hill.
brendan schaub
Well, he's like, yeah, I still kind of have it.
But if you notice in 22 Jump Street, and this kind of stuff I know is because I'm super vain, he had his shirt on the entire time.
The other one, you take your shirt off.
bryan callen
From what I saw in that preview, he looked alright.
joe rogan
Well, yes.
I mean, in my opinion, that's like offensive to me because if you've ever seen what Mark Schultz looks like, Mark Schultz, the wrestler, is a fucking animal.
bryan callen
A beast.
brendan schaub
Well, it'd be like The Rock playing Hercules and it's like a smooth build.
That fool is jacked to play Hercules.
He's got to be.
joe rogan
He's pretty jacked.
Well, Schultz, when he was in his prime, too, he used to grab guys, he used to get guys in illegal moves.
He'd use Kimuras, and he would hit a Kimura and just rip guys' shoulders off while he was taking them down.
Mangled guys.
I mean, he was a fucking animal.
brendan schaub
I don't know the story of that movie, but I'll for sure buy a ticket to that.
joe rogan
It's a fascinating story because these guys were all broke, and DuPont would pay these guys to come to his compound.
He built this wrestling thing and wrestle with them and roll around with them and get all sweaty and gay with them.
Wait, are you being for reals?
Yes.
brendan schaub
Oh, it was gay?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
bryan callen
Was he gay?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Are we being funny or not?
joe rogan
No, no, I'm not being funny at all.
It's totally true.
And he wound up killing Dave Schultz, who was a great wrestler.
brendan schaub
Don't want to see the movie now.
I mean, he just told me the whole plot.
joe rogan
Am I right?
No, well, it's based on a real story, bro.
It's based on some shit.
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
No, I'm just kidding.
bryan callen
It's more of the movie.
unidentified
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
The movie's different.
In the movie, he becomes a werewolf and he can fly.
brendan schaub
Now I'll buy it.
I'll tell you what.
I saw that new horror movie with...
Does anyone like scary movies here or no?
No?
joe rogan
Yeah, I love scary movies.
brendan schaub
The new one with Eric Bana?
You know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
What is it?
brendan schaub
It just came out last week.
You know what I'm talking about or no?
joe rogan
What is it?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a cop and it's supposed to be a true story.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Scary as shit.
bryan callen
What's the scariest movie for you?
Scariest movie of all time?
brendan schaub
The Conjuring.
bryan callen
The Conjuring.
brendan schaub
Oh, what did you say?
The Exorcist?
bryan callen
Yeah, I am.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
bryan callen
Yeah, I am going to say The Exorcist.
brendan schaub
This is how I know you're all of 60 years old.
unidentified
Yeah, whatever.
brendan schaub
That movie sucks.
bryan callen
The Conjuring.
Actually, The Conjuring was scary.
I'll give you that it was scary.
brendan schaub
No, this new movie with Eric Bana.
What's it called?
What is it?
Deliverance from Evil with Eric Bana.
I'll tell you what.
Definitely slept with my lights on.
Yeah, I'm not afraid of it.
I had my lights on.
joe rogan
Did you really?
brendan schaub
This shit was scary, man.
bryan callen
Joe, what's your scariest movie all time?
brendan schaub
I live by myself, man.
joe rogan
Scariest movie of all time.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
Don't say the actress.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, not the actresses today.
bryan callen
The Omen was scary.
joe rogan
I would have to think about that.
bryan callen
Angel Heart scared the shit out of me, man.
brendan schaub
You got anything new, Brian?
bryan callen
No, I don't.
brendan schaub
You got anything new?
unidentified
No, I do not.
joe rogan
Angel Heart.
bryan callen
It scared the shit out of me.
For real.
brendan schaub
The Exorcism's a cop-out, man.
bryan callen
Maybe greatest of all time, though.
brendan schaub
No!
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
The greatest of all time?
bryan callen
As far as a scary movie?
Horror movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
No, because you've got to put them in perspective.
It might have been great down then.
brendan schaub
Watch it now, you're bored as fuck.
bryan callen
I actually did watch it recently, about four years ago, and I was pretty damn scared.
joe rogan
In the middle, you were watching it, you were tweeting and checking your Instagram.
bryan callen
I didn't tweet back then.
See, that's the thing.
brendan schaub
When I saw Delivers from Evil, when I saw that movie, I saw it at the marina theaters where there's that dining experience.
This fuck next to me is chewing on popcorn.
He has like a margarita.
It fucks up the whole experience.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I would be terrified.
Chompy Chompers over here is on Twizzlers and Sour Patch Kids.
Balls deep in his girl.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, dude, reclining back and shit.
It's not as scary.
bryan callen
He's a loud watcher.
brendan schaub
The Shining.
The Shining's a good one.
bryan callen
The Shining is a good one.
brendan schaub
Shining's legit.
bryan callen
That was scary as shit.
joe rogan
That might be my scariest.
brendan schaub
Filmed in Colorado.
bryan callen
I might jump ship and say...
I don't have any characters, so I don't usually stick to my original.
But I'd say that The Shining is probably...
brendan schaub
I'm going with The Conjuring.
joe rogan
Texas Chainsaw Massacre was pretty fucking scary, too, because it really pictures...
brendan schaub
The original one or the one with Jessica Biel?
joe rogan
The original one.
brendan schaub
No, I liked the one with Jessica Biel.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Well, I liked it because of Jessica Biel.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
I'll take it because of that.
That was a scary goddamn movie.
You know what else was scary, man?
Jaws.
Jaws was fucking scary.
unidentified
I agree.
bryan callen
That ruined me for the ocean.
brendan schaub
Dude, someone got attacked by a great white off the Manhattan Beach.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I think they were long-distance swimmers, right?
And they had hooked the great white.
It was a seven-footer.
brendan schaub
Hey, guess what, Brian?
I don't give a fuck what happened.
He got attacked by a great white.
But they did say he was fishing, and the guy caught a great white.
bryan callen
Yeah, he was...
What are you going to do with it?
brendan schaub
What are you going to do with it?
bryan callen
He was reeling it in.
40 minutes later, these long-distance swimmers swim between the rod and basically the shark, and the shark bit the dude.
brendan schaub
In the torso.
He's fine, though.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's fine.
brendan schaub
Gangster tattoo.
bryan callen
That is, right?
brendan schaub
Super cool tattoo.
I just want to get bit, just got to tell the story.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Jaws was scary, though.
I'll give you that.
Jaws was a scary one.
bryan callen
Yeah, that was very scary.
brendan schaub
I'm guessing no one's seen The Conjuring.
bryan callen
I have.
I saw it.
joe rogan
Here's another one that was scary as fuck.
28 Days Later.
That was scary as fuck.
brendan schaub
See, that's Rhonda's favorite movie.
I'm not...
That does nothing for me.
That does nothing for me.
bryan callen
You know what scared me was...
What was that movie?
Paranormal Activity, the first one?
brendan schaub
The first one.
bryan callen
It scared the shit out of me.
brendan schaub
I saw the Blair Witch Project.
Did you see that?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
When I thought it was real, I was super scared.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
You thought it was real, huh?
brendan schaub
It was a home camera, man, the way they filmed it.
bryan callen
It was pretty genius in that sense, but I didn't really.
But Blair Witch Project scared me a little bit.
And so did the second one.
joe rogan
Blair Witch scared me.
I saw Blair Witch with my buddy Chris McGuire.
We were working in Houston.
We were doing the Laugh Stop, which doesn't exist anymore.
And these kids that worked at the movie theater across the street came to the show and they said, hey, do you guys want to go see the Blair Witch Project, just all of us in the movie theater?
We have the keys.
And we were like, are you fucking kidding me?
And so we did a show.
I think it was like a Thursday night show.
So we did like an 8 o'clock show.
After the show, you know, say goodbye to everybody.
Go across the street.
And they turned on the movie theater.
They turned on the lights.
Locked the door.
We went in.
They turned on the fucking theater.
unidentified
That's scary.
joe rogan
And we sat down and watched Blair Witch.
And it scared the piss out of me.
unidentified
Damn.
Damn.
brendan schaub
You guys are super scared.
joe rogan
Well, at first I was like, this is fucking goofy.
brendan schaub
That's how I was, yeah.
joe rogan
It was so low budget.
So low budget.
And then I saw it again in a movie with a bunch of people and it was whack.
bryan callen
People were talking.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
You can't have that environment.
bryan callen
You need to be alone.
That's a scary setting.
joe rogan
Some guy brought his three-year-old.
Three-year-old was talking during the whole movie.
bryan callen
If you're alone in a big movie theater, you could die right there.
That could be a trap he's setting.
It's true.
joe rogan
Nah, they were, you know, one kid had a nose ring and he weighed 80 pounds.
It was a girl that was overweight.
Like, no one was getting hurt.
If anybody was getting hurt, it was going to be them.
But they were nice.
It was cool that they did that for us, though.
It was really fun.
bryan callen
Oh, by the way, I will be...
joe rogan
Are you going to plug your fucking dates?
bryan callen
July 18th and 19th, I'll be at the West Palm Beach Improv.
brendan schaub
Son of a bitch.
bryan callen
So make sure you come by.
I will be bringing heat.
joe rogan
So are we officially hunting the last week in September?
Are we doing that?
Are you down for Alaska?
bryan callen
Last week?
I thought you said first week.
Now you're changing it on me.
joe rogan
Fucking idiot.
bryan callen
You're changing it on me.
joe rogan
I gave you the dates.
bryan callen
I know you didn't.
You didn't give me any dates.
I have the text here.
Don't make me pull it up.
joe rogan
Please pull it up.
unidentified
Because I will.
joe rogan
Because it says the last week.
bryan callen
No.
Hold, please.
Please hold.
brendan schaub
What are you guys going to hunt?
Again.
joe rogan
Black-tailed.
This time it's going to be black-tailed deer in Alaska.
At Steve Rinella's place.
I don't hear Brian talking.
bryan callen
I'll tell you.
Are you around the end of September?
joe rogan
Yeah, I told you.
bryan callen
The answer is yes.
joe rogan
Are you around?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
So you are around the end of September.
Okay.
So it'll be like, I think the dates he gave me are like...
I think it's like the 29th, from the 29th on into October.
brendan schaub
What are you guys, killing a black-tailed deer with bazookas or something?
joe rogan
No, rifles, bro.
unidentified
Rifles, bro.
bryan callen
And maybe even a bow and arrow.
joe rogan
Animal lover?
I'm bringing my bow.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, guess who's going to shoot it?
Oh, it's 90 pounds.
joe rogan
Not you.
bryan callen
90 pounds?
unidentified
Damn it!
brendan schaub
Can't pull it back.
bryan callen
Oh, damn it!
brendan schaub
Get the gym, son.
bryan callen
I don't want to talk about it.
I am in the gym all the time with Lauren Landau.
brendan schaub
You're boxing.
I'm saying get on a bench press.
bryan callen
Hey, bro, how many pull-ups did I do?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you weigh eight pounds.
bryan callen
How many pull-ups?
joe rogan
You keep saying that.
brendan schaub
But you do a kick in your legs.
joe rogan
You don't weigh a lot.
bryan callen
Don't do that.
Don't make that motion, bro.
brendan schaub
That's what you kept doing.
joe rogan
See, you talk about how many pull-ups you do, but what do you weigh?
bryan callen
I weigh 170 pounds.
brendan schaub
Are you 170?
joe rogan
You weigh about 165. You're a solid 163. About 165. I'm 170. And how many chin-ups can you do?
brendan schaub
31. He did 31. I'll give him that.
joe rogan
31?
brendan schaub
But it was like he was throwing his legs.
What do you call it?
Kipping?
bryan callen
Bro, it wasn't that much of a kip.
brendan schaub
And then he goes, it's like CrossFit.
I did it at CrossFit.
I said, one, you're suspended from being my friend for two days because he said CrossFit.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Brian, those aren't chin-ups.
Those are kipping chin-ups.
And the guys who do those, they do like 100. Well, I did.
You know, like Fedor, when he was a heavyweight, he used to do like 100 or 100. Really?
bryan callen
Oh, God.
joe rogan
There's a video of Fedor doing kipping chin-ups.
It's a frightening fucking guy.
brendan schaub
Is that the one where he's in, like, the wilderness of Russia and he's, like, carrying wood and shit?
joe rogan
He's, like, doing his kipping chin-ups.
brendan schaub
And he's in a sunga, like, he's in some whitey-tidies just fucking doing work.
joe rogan
Well, he used to wear black socks and fucking running shoes from the 80s.
unidentified
Some New Balances with black socks and his whitey tighties.
brendan schaub
But no one said shit because he's such a bastard.
Then I came to the gym and guys were in black socks and whitey tighties trying to do the same shit.
joe rogan
Well, it's not like they have Foot Locker in the middle of Russia.
You know where that guy lives?
Where are you getting your sneakers?
bryan callen
You make them yourself.
joe rogan
You steal them from people who are running by you.
He used to do a lot of old school training methods.
You put hand weights and throw punches.
You know where I caught up with him?
It's interesting because I was watching some old Fedor fights.
Huge Fedor fan.
Who's not?
If you're not, you're not an MMA fan.
bryan callen
Him and Sakuraba.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Fedor was just a different thing, man.
He was a totally different thing.
But I used to go back and watch his fight.
I was watching his fights recently, and he was much bigger back in the day.
Physically bigger, stronger.
brendan schaub
Still about 230, though.
bryan callen
You mean bigger than what?
joe rogan
Much more muscle.
bryan callen
Bigger than other guys, you mean, or?
joe rogan
More muscle than he did at the end of his career.
At the end of his career, he stopped lifting weights, done with the weights, he was just doing fight training.
But if you go back to the Fujita fight, he was thick traps, big shoulders, he was fucking strong as shit.
And somewhere along the line, he just got tired of lifting weights, I think.
I mean, I don't know what it was.
bryan callen
Or he got older, right?
And started losing muscle mass, maybe.
joe rogan
No, no.
He stopped lifting weights.
He talked about it.
He just did fight training only later on in his career.
I think he thought that technique was more important than physical strength, which is true for the most part.
brendan schaub
I've gone towards that route, personally.
joe rogan
Towards technique, yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm like, let's see.
I'm going to go in the gym and spend an hour lifting weights, throwing down weights, or I can be on the mat working on my boxing technique or jiu-jitsu in wrestling.
I'm going to go do jiu-jitsu in wrestling.
joe rogan
Well, you know what Steve Maxwell's thought on that is?
It was really interesting because Maxwell spent a lifetime with strength and conditioning, working with athletes.
He thinks that if you're going to lift weights for sports, you shouldn't lift weights like strength and conditioning style.
He thinks if you're doing like martial arts, if you're in the middle of like training technique, he goes, you should do like sets.
Like do sets of deadlifts, do sets of bench, do sets of chins.
bryan callen
You mean like eight to ten?
joe rogan
No, just to get stronger.
He's like, you shouldn't work on your endurance.
Like, you shouldn't be, like, doing these fucking crazy strength and conditioning workouts while you're in camp, working out for fights.
He's like, if you're...
He goes, you should lift weights to keep your muscle mass and to keep your strength, but all your conditioning should come from your kickboxing, should come from your wrestling, should come from your jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Yeah, actually, I'm actually going to Arizona on Thursday to meet with this new strength conditioning coach who Tim Tebow works with, and...
Yeah, I'm going out there with Tim, and he said the exact same thing.
This guy works with everyone.
He's like, you shouldn't have a session where you're working reps and stuff like that.
He said exactly what you just told me.
joe rogan
Yeah, these guys are saying that your skills are the most important thing, and your strength and all your physical strength, like the mass and size that you could put on and maintain.
He's like, you should maintain that.
You should get strong.
You should do all that.
But don't do strength and conditioning while you're in a fight camp.
bryan callen
Like the CrossFit stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that because you're not going to have the same energy to do your jiu-jitsu work.
Like when I was doing jiu-jitsu all the time, if I would lift weights, I could lift weights in the morning and do jiu-jitsu at night.
You know why?
Because I would do like a set of bench and then I would sit around me and I would talk shit for five minutes and laugh and goof off.
And then we would do another set.
So we would get all the strength workout in, but I still had energy to train at night.
Whereas like if I do my kettlebell routine that I do, If I do that shit, that's a wrap.
bryan callen
You're done.
joe rogan
I'm done.
bryan callen
That's interesting, man.
When you do strength training, do you do it twice a week when you're in camp?
brendan schaub
When I'm in camp, I do it twice a week, yeah.
unidentified
Twice a week.
brendan schaub
But out of camp, like now I lift four or five times a week.
bryan callen
Is it a full body thing?
brendan schaub
I'm just trying to get bigger, stronger.
So when I go in camp, my body's going to break down.
I'm going to lose some size.
I just try to keep it, you know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
You break it up in body parts.
brendan schaub
But, like, people ask me, like, even younger fighters at RAINN or Grace Academy, like, oh, like, what should I be doing in the weight room, stuff like this?
But if you're a younger fighter, you shouldn't really waste your time in the weight room.
You don't get paid to bench and squat and power clean.
You get paid to submit bitches and knock them out.
So work on submitting and knocking bitches out.
joe rogan
Here's the finals.
This is the light heavyweight finals, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, those breasts are...
joe rogan
Yeah, those are Gynomastica.
bryan callen
Gynomastica, interesting.
joe rogan
Corey Anderson and Matt Van Buren.
brendan schaub
He does have a set of nipples on him, doesn't he?
joe rogan
Yes, he does.
That's the other dude.
brendan schaub
The other dude does.
unidentified
Not him.
brendan schaub
That dude's straight.
Yeah, him.
joe rogan
Matt Van Buren's a fucking animal.
So is Corey.
This is a good fight.
brendan schaub
Really good fight.
joe rogan
And this is like what we're talking about, like the high level of guys that are coming up, man.
These guys that are fighting.
I mean, you go back to the day when Forrest was fighting Stefan Bonner, and then look at these guys, and you're dealing with some pretty high level guys now.
brendan schaub
They're a lot more well-rounded.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
A lot more well-rounded.
First of all, that dude's 6'5".
For a 205, that's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a big boy.
Big boy.
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Oh, he's in trouble.
joe rogan
Oh, Corey's cracking him.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's rocked, man.
He's out of it.
He's out of it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he's in trouble, man.
He's covering up.
brendan schaub
He's super out of it.
joe rogan
He's taking it.
Oh, Jesus.
No, look, he's coming back.
brendan schaub
No, he's not.
joe rogan
No, he's not.
He might be done.
brendan schaub
He's super out of it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Damn.
My homeboy's coming back.
But he's still trading.
Oh my goodness.
brendan schaub
He got hit in the eye so hard.
unidentified
Oh, it's over.
This fight's over.
brendan schaub
It's super over, man.
joe rogan
Corey's all over him.
brendan schaub
No, why take him?
joe rogan
See, I... Just smash him.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Nah, he should have kept on the feet.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
brendan schaub
Because you can recover right now.
You can recover this.
joe rogan
Not like this.
brendan schaub
A lot more than when you're on the feet.
joe rogan
Mario's going to stop it.
That's it.
That's it!
bryan callen
That's how you get hurt.
That's a good stoppage.
Good stoppage.
brendan schaub
The two tough ones have just been some whoopings, son.
unidentified
Corey Anderson can cry.
brendan schaub
Power of the nipples, son.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
Yeah, for people who don't know, there's a bunch of different ways to get those nipples.
It doesn't mean you did steroids.
brendan schaub
No, not at all.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but a lot of times it means...
bryan callen
What are the other ways?
joe rogan
A lot of times it means...
bryan callen
Not to put you on the spot, what are the other ways again?
Purple nipples?
You can be a girl.
brendan schaub
Real quick, how do I avoid that?
bryan callen
I like it because Joe got really quiet.
I'd like to hear...
brendan schaub
Everyone just got quiet about it.
bryan callen
Nobody's pointing fingers.
I didn't see any needles.
unidentified
Try to be nice, bro.
joe rogan
Try to be nice.
Okay.
There was one guy that fought in the UFC once that had a serious problem.
When he was younger, I guess he did a lot of steroids.
He was jumping up and down inside the octagon and his boobs were flopping and flopping.
He was fighting 170. Damn, Corey can crack.
Look at this.
Beautiful striking.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Straight through the middle.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
Great straight shot.
joe rogan
Boom!
That fight was about 15 seconds long and his hand wraps came apart.
Who fucking wrapped his hands?
bryan callen
Look at that.
brendan schaub
It's that war tape.
On the thumb it's tough.
Yeah, you never want a set of tits like that.
You don't want nipples like that.
joe rogan
Not that bad.
I mean, I've seen way worse.
bryan callen
It doesn't take away from his great performance.
brendan schaub
Go to Gold's Gym.
You want Gino?
Go to Gold's Gym.
bryan callen
Is that right?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
brendan schaub
Bro, get a bra on, would you?
bryan callen
Correct me if I'm wrong.
That place, last time I worked out there, smells like ammonia.
brendan schaub
Smells like protein farts.
bryan callen
Yeah, protein farts.
That's exactly what it smells like.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is Nick Spendable's Mel Gibson.
bryan callen
Mel Gibson.
joe rogan
Back to work.
I love it.
bryan callen
Playing a bad guy.
unidentified
Back to work in the Expendables.
joe rogan
There's my boy, Wesley Snipes.
These Expendables movies, America loves them.
bryan callen
There was a little talk about you fighting Wesley a long time ago, wasn't there?
joe rogan
It was a long time ago, yeah.
brendan schaub
What happened with that?
joe rogan
He decided not to get his ass kicked.
brendan schaub
Wait, what's the story?
Is it actually going to go down?
joe rogan
Yeah, we had lawyers involved and everything.
brendan schaub
What happened?
joe rogan
He changed his mind.
brendan schaub
He needed a lot of money.
He called you out?
How did he start?
joe rogan
It was Campbell McLaren, who was the guy who was the original producer for The Ultimate Fighter, calls me up out of nowhere and says, this is going to sound crazy.
But, would you be interested in fighting Wesley Snipes?
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
And so then they start explaining what's going on.
I was training a lot.
brendan schaub
How long ago was this, first of all?
joe rogan
2006?
brendan schaub
So Blade was out.
He did make Blade.
That would scare me out of the fight.
joe rogan
I think what was going on was that the IRS was coming down on him hard.
brendan schaub
So he's looking for cash.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He's not unathletic, by the way.
joe rogan
No, he knows martial arts.
But never competed and no jiu-jitsu.
And I think he just thought I was just a grappler.
And then somewhere along the line, I don't know what happened, but he just decided not to do it.
You know, I think if you've never competed your whole life and you have these ideas, plus I think he's probably hanging around with a bunch of dudes who are taking Bolivian marching powder and like, you know what?
Just go in there and fuck everybody up, Wesley.
Time to make your money.
Wesley, let me tell you something, Wesley.
unidentified
There's a lot of motherfuckers out there doing that karate, doing all kinds of martial arts, but they don't know what you know.
You got something special inside you, bro, and this is your time to shine.
bryan callen
Heart of a lion.
brendan schaub
He's probably crunk from Blade and doing all these stunts.
He's like, fuck yeah, I'll do it.
joe rogan
Well, if you talk to Patton Oswalt, Patton Oswalt did Blade with him, and apparently there was just bags of cocaine involved in the making of that.
Patton Oswalt has a whole bit he does about it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
About being on the set with Wesley, how fucked up he was.
He went through some dark periods.
brendan schaub
He had three lines in that movie.
He had three lines and he just killed vampires.
joe rogan
No, they pulled the lines from him, hired a double to do all the scenes.
There was another guy.
brendan schaub
So he did nothing.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened, but half that movie, like Patton Oswalt has a whole bit about how they brought in the way cooler black guy to pretend to be played, but that guy didn't get to talk.
bryan callen
So Wesley had some struggles with...
joe rogan
Yeah, he also had some issues with a bunch of questionable characters that told him not to pay taxes.
brendan schaub
Let me get this straight, Joe.
So, you weren't scared at all about a coked up Wesley Snipes that just got done doing Blade?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Not at all?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Coming at you like a spider?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Nothing?
joe rogan
No.
Clinch to ground.
brendan schaub
Clinch, ground.
joe rogan
Squeeze, tap, or sleep.
brendan schaub
But when he's all coked up, just like fidgeting, like freaking out?
joe rogan
I'm not worried about that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he probably shouldn't be.
joe rogan
Probably gas out pretty fast.
A guy who has never done jujitsu, who weighs 170 pounds, if I grab you...
bryan callen
He's heavier than that.
joe rogan
He's not.
He's pretty thick.
Trust me.
brendan schaub
No, he's not thick at all.
You always do this.
You always do this.
He's not big at all.
He's not thick in the least bit.
joe rogan
I've seen him in person.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
You'd say he's 170. He's heavier than that.
Please, he's heavier than that.
brendan schaub
I don't think so B.
joe rogan
I get this to give a grip around the waist and then I squeeze.
Squeeze.
unidentified
And then I twinge you like this and then I get on top of you and then what you gonna do?
joe rogan
You gonna make a mistake.
bryan callen
And you make a mistake.
Why do you sound Japanese?
You sound like an old Japanese guy.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm making up a new accent.
I put the joke.
bryan callen
You went from Brazilian to Japanese?
brendan schaub
Not when he's on that devil's dandruff and he's all coked up and you can't get ahold of him.
joe rogan
Even better.
I was planning on failing every drug test by the way.
brendan schaub
So is he.
joe rogan
So is he.
I mean, if they tested me for...
brendan schaub
It'd been like Wanderlei and Chael.
You guys have been great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I do all my training high, so I was trying to figure out whether I was going to fight high.
brendan schaub
You always train high?
joe rogan
Jiu-Jitsu, yeah.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Why?
joe rogan
I don't always.
brendan schaub
Why?
joe rogan
I like it.
I like doing Jiu-Jitsu high.
Like the smoke they're here for.
unidentified
And then roll.
joe rogan
You know what I really like?
I like eating it.
I like eating it and then rolling.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
I like eating it.
I think it makes me more sensitive, makes me more aware of what's going on, makes me more focused, like completely zone in.
A lot of guys do jujitsu high.
A lot of guys.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm aware.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's just, I've never, right?
unidentified
I've never done it.
brendan schaub
You should do it.
joe rogan
Bro, I'm telling you, if you did it, you might not.
Never, if you have some time off and you're going to do jujitsu, you do.
And so you know you're not going to get tested.
Ahem.
You're not really going to smoke pot.
I mean, this is all just joking around, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, joking around on the podcast.
joe rogan
Just try it once.
I'm telling you.
You'd love it.
I mean, I don't know if you'd love it, but I would assume you'd love it.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo does it every goddamn time.
BJ Penn.
bryan callen
Eddie was a little high last night.
brendan schaub
Hey, can we talk about it real quick?
Everyone's talking about their shitty dad stories, which I had nothing to contribute to.
Homeboy's one story was awful.
bryan callen
He had a great dad.
unidentified
He had a great dad.
brendan schaub
He kept trying to bring his story into it.
joe rogan
Oh, that dude?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Horrible story.
bryan callen
I kept looking for it.
I was like, how often do you talk to your dad?
And he goes, every day.
But then I was like, oh, well, your dad's very much in your life.
brendan schaub
He goes, no, but my dad's all successful when he calls me.
He tries to give me tips and shit.
joe rogan
That guy's a nice guy, so let's not talk too much shit about him.
brendan schaub
We're not giving names.
joe rogan
It was a little...
Horrible story.
Sometimes dudes get around guys like you guys that tell great stories, and they try to throw their own story in it, and they don't realize their story sucks.
You know, you're dealing with Eddie Bravo, who's a great storyteller.
My buddy Justin, who's a great storyteller.
Justin's story was depressing as fuck.
My buddy Justin.
brendan schaub
It got dark.
joe rogan
It got dark.
You know, my story's not as bad as his.
brendan schaub
Your story's pretty dark as well.
joe rogan
It's bad.
It's bad.
brendan schaub
I didn't say it.
You know me, I'll talk your freaking air off.
I didn't say a word last night.
joe rogan
I had nothing.
brendan schaub
I can't contribute.
I can't contribute to the story.
So I'm not good.
Nothing's worse when someone doesn't know what they're talking about, especially with experiences like that.
My dad loved the shit out of me, straight up.
So when you guys talk about these shitty childhoods, I can't really jump in.
There's nothing worse than when a guy, oh, I hear that, bro.
I hear that.
One time I went to McDonald's, my dad didn't buy me a fucking Happy Meal.
I feel you, bro.
bryan callen
All those presents at Christmas, I was like, another one?
brendan schaub
I know, I was like, this is too much.
bryan callen
I'll be here forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, depressing childhood stories are rough.
They're hard to deal with.
But yeah, that one dude's story was not so good.
I mean, Justin's was horrible.
Mine wasn't the best.
Eddie's is horrible.
brendan schaub
I was trying not to laugh.
I can't hide when I think something's funny.
I was trying to not laugh at his story.
And he kept bringing it back in.
And even his friend goes, Hey, bro, maybe pipe down.
He goes, No, man, fuck that.
It sucks when your dad's disappointed in you.
I went sober up, for sure.
Sober up.
bryan callen
Spilled half a drink on my jeans last night.
But a nice guy.
joe rogan
As the day went on, he got even more drunk.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He was trying to explain something to me later on that night.
It was tough.
It was like he was waking up from anesthesia.
Trying to explain something to me.
I was like, it's okay, man.
I got it.
I get it.
bryan callen
That happens in Vegas.
About 3.30 in the morning, you'll get cornered by some people.
brendan schaub
I don't hang out with anyone.
No, I can't get down with it.
So did you know him from before or no?
joe rogan
No, he's my buddy Justin's pal.
He's a good dude.
He just got hammered.
And you know what happens, man?
Like I said, when people are around guys like you guys that tell great stories and they want to contribute and tell a great story too, and they're just not used to being around...
You know, you're around a fucking world-class stand-up comedian like Brian Cowan who tells great fucking stories.
And you want to throw yours into the mix.
Good luck.
brendan schaub
Bring your A-game though, bro.
joe rogan
He doesn't have an A-game.
brendan schaub
He had that false sense of reality because he's drunk.
joe rogan
There's nothing like being around Joey Diaz when he starts telling stories.
bryan callen
He's amazing.
brendan schaub
I've never met him, man.
I hear him on your podcast.
joe rogan
He's the funniest guy that's ever lived.
I've met a lot of funny people.
brendan schaub
Why can't you bring him in one of the fight companions?
joe rogan
Anytime.
I'll do it.
Next time.
Next one we do.
brendan schaub
He'll do it?
joe rogan
If he's in town, I'll have him do it.
bryan callen
Dude, he wants to do the fighter and the kid.
I talked to him two days ago about it.
joe rogan
He's the funniest guy that's ever lived.
brendan schaub
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've met a lot of really funny guys.
brendan schaub
And he's from Sopranos?
Is that right?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
He looks like the guy from Sopranos.
brendan schaub
He looks identical to him.
joe rogan
He looks like Big Pussy.
bryan callen
Yes!
brendan schaub
He's not at all?
joe rogan
Not really.
If you saw Big Pussy, you saw him, he looks different.
bryan callen
He's working a lot as an actor, though, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's worked a lot.
But you know what?
He's making more money now with his stand-up than ever, and it's all because of the internet.
It's all because of podcasts, because he can be himself.
He just never runs out of stories, and he's got a fucking personality that goes on for days.
This is BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, and I'm going to piss, so please be kind when I leave the room.
Don't worry.
We're about to see two fucking legends go down.
brendan schaub
Real quick.
bryan callen
Now look at Daniel Cormier.
Please look at him.
Come on.
Couldn't look more normal.
brendan schaub
Couldn't look more like a 9-to-5-er?
bryan callen
He looks like a 9-to-5-er.
brendan schaub
No, he doesn't.
bryan callen
He certainly does.
You know how much I love him.
I pick him every time.
I just find it amazing.
brendan schaub
He's having knee surgery and then waiting for his title shot.
Smart move, I think.
bryan callen
Yeah.
This was a mistake, Brandon.
His hands weren't up, right?
unidentified
What was going on with that?
bryan callen
Hold.
brendan schaub
What?
I don't give a fuck.
We just already saw that, man.
What happened?
He got punched in the face very, very hard.
He got disoriented, and then more punches happened.
bryan callen
Well, okay, thanks a lot, doctor.
No help.
brendan schaub
I mean, what do you want me to tell you, man?
He got punched directly in the face.
bryan callen
Yeah, but his hand should have been up, right?
brendan schaub
That's tough, man.
Shit happens.
bryan callen
I love Ron Stan.
brendan schaub
Everyone does.
bryan callen
Nothing I love about the guy.
Square-jawed Marine.
brendan schaub
Could he look any more American?
He should be...
To be a U.S. citizen, you should have to know who Brian Stanton is.
bryan callen
He's Jack Armstrong.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
He could run for president and fucking win, by the way.
I would vote for him.
brendan schaub
I think Chael Sonnen could, too, if before...
No, no, before...
No, hold on.
unidentified
Hold on.
brendan schaub
If we went in a time machine to six months ago...
joe rogan
No, he's still a felon.
brendan schaub
Let's say before he's a felon.
bryan callen
I love Chael.
I'd vote for him too.
brendan schaub
Chael could talk his way into it.
Chael's better talking than Brian.
joe rogan
More creative.
brendan schaub
Brian's more clear because he was in freaking doing tours and killing bitches.
So he's a lot more clear.
You get real clear when you start killing bitches.
There's no stuttering when you're ordering Stan.
bryan callen
Stan is very direct.
joe rogan
I guess they're going over the final.
They're going to show Eddie Gore and Diego Lima again.
brendan schaub
Why are they showing it?
And they just showed us the other one.
joe rogan
They're killing a little time.
brendan schaub
I just saw it.
Why are you re-showing this?
joe rogan
Because the last fight was a one-round knockout, too.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of knockouts on this guy, right?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Gordon cracks.
Slacker.
And tell you what, man, Diego Lima is tough as shit.
You know, the kind of punishment.
bryan callen
Limit to what your head can take.
brendan schaub
They're both going to be fun.
joe rogan
Angry this fight looks.
bryan callen
This is where I should have stopped right there, I think.
joe rogan
Gordon looks so angry.
This is like a...
If you wanted to talk about how evil cage fighting is, look at this.
unidentified
Rawr!
joe rogan
It's the end of the world.
It's the end of the world.
brendan schaub
That scared me.
joe rogan
When they start looking back in the future about when society crumbled, this is like the first steps.
bryan callen
The return of the gladiator.
joe rogan
The coliseum.
Tell me this isn't similar to the coliseum.
Tell me that reality shows aren't similar.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what it is.
bryan callen
You had a good answer when somebody said, why is it so popular?
Why is MMA so popular?
And you said it's the closest you can come to watching two men kill each other with their bare hands.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because guess what?
If Eve Levine or Herb Dean's not in there, and no one stops it, someone's dying.
joe rogan
Yeah, the guy's out cold, and you're stomping his head until it's jello.
brendan schaub
Yes.
bryan callen
It's not good.
joe rogan
Unfortunately.
brendan schaub
The only reason why the ref is there is to make sure that doesn't happen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Damn, a lot of empty seats back there, huh?
brendan schaub
Super empty.
joe rogan
Well, guess what?
brendan schaub
It's Sunday in Vegas after 4th of July.
joe rogan
I know.
brendan schaub
I'm not even a partier.
I'm fucking exhausted.
joe rogan
I was thinking that this morning, because I left this morning...
And when I flew out, man, the airport was mobbed.
brendan schaub
Vegas looked like it was full of zombies.
The airport looked like zombies.
bryan callen
You got about an hour of sleep.
joe rogan
The kid takes vitamins.
Not bad.
You should see my piss.
It's bright orange.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It's like a glowing vitamin orange.
brendan schaub
You know who doesn't do well?
bryan callen
It's impressive.
brendan schaub
Bro, if I don't get eight hours of sleep...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you train really hard, man.
brendan schaub
I don't do well.
joe rogan
This is a good weekend, man.
I got two real solid workouts in.
I worked out with Della Grotte, and yesterday I lifted.
I worked out with the same time as Rhonda's girl, Marina.
Marina, yeah.
Very cool chick.
brendan schaub
Yeah, very cool.
joe rogan
She was there.
Chick works out hard.
brendan schaub
She's a beast, man.
She's a little beast.
She's like Rhonda's best friend and protege.
She's a beast.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could tell.
brendan schaub
She's a 145-er, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was putting her strength and conditioning workout.
She had a phone in front of her with all of her routines on it.
She put in some fucking work.
I was impressed.
So here it is.
We're going to watch Frankie Edgar and BJ Penn.
bryan callen
Third time, I believe.
brendan schaub
Does anyone cheer against BJ Penn?
I mean, who?
BJ Penn!
joe rogan
Frankie Edgar's wife, Frankie Edgar's mom, Frankie Edgar's dad.
brendan schaub
I love Frankie Edgar, man.
unidentified
I do, too.
brendan schaub
I love Frankie Edgar.
bryan callen
BJ went down to Jose Aldo's camp, I guess, right?
joe rogan
Well, he did a little bit of training at Novo Uñao, but he did most of the training in Hawaii for this.
brendan schaub
Always, always.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, Ian McCall, who went with BJ down to Hilo to train with him, did some training.
He said, BJ's in incredible shape.
He said, and Ian has fantastic endurance, and he said BJ was outworking him.
He said he was blown away by how good a shape BJ's in.
Now, I've heard this a million fucking times before.
brendan schaub
Every fight I hear this.
Literally every fight, someone tells me this.
unidentified
Every time.
joe rogan
But what blew me away about this is that, first of all, they were going to fight at 145. Like, that's going to be a disaster.
BJ's zombie was making 155. Right.
But whatever he did, I don't know what he adjusted.
I would love to talk to him about it, how he changed his body.
But he got down where he was walking around like under 160. Dang.
Like on a regular basis.
And then the fight week, he was 149 fight week.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You know, without any cutting.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he easily made 145. Frankie weighed 145.5.
BJ weighed 145 on the nugget.
Looked good at the weigh-ins.
bryan callen
Jeez.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, looked skinny.
bryan callen
So he had trouble making 55, BJ. I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
He's not tall, you know?
joe rogan
Well, that's why he fought 170 all the time.
He fought Nick Diaz, and he fought Rory McDonald.
Two big 170s.
brendan schaub
That Rory McDonald fight was hard to watch, and Rory's my boy.
unidentified
That was awful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Such a reach advantage.
brendan schaub
BJ Penn, as far as...
He's a superstar.
He is, as big as they get, superstar.
The most down-to-earth, nicest guy I've ever met in the UFC, hands down.
Yeah, BJ Penn.
joe rogan
He's a salt of the earth.
And he's a real warrior.
But you know what, man?
He's a guy that has an incredible amount of pride.
And, you know, he...
He's got a lot of ego.
He's got a lot of pride.
He wants to get in there and be the BJ that he used to be.
brendan schaub
Well, that's why he's who he is.
You don't get to that point without having an ego.
Listen, everyone who fights in the UFC has an ego.
joe rogan
But if he could use that and motivate himself to get back in the kind of shape that he was back when he fought Diego Sanchez, back when he fought Sean Shirk, he was in insane condition back then.
bryan callen
How old is he now?
joe rogan
He's probably 35, 36. How old do you think?
unidentified
I'm going to say he's 42. He's Dwayne.
bryan callen
He's the rock stage.
brendan schaub
Brian thinks BJ Penn's 21 years old.
bryan callen
That's right.
He's the rock stage.
joe rogan
I don't think he is.
bryan callen
He's 36, right?
brendan schaub
I'd say mid-30s for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
bryan callen
A final long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's been a while.
The UFC, by the way, the UFC website is dog shit.
brendan schaub
It's horrible.
joe rogan
You can't go to the fighter until their fight is on.
Like, if you try to go to the fighter when their fight's not on, it takes you to the previous fight.
Like, you go to the card, and when you go to the card, it shows, like, the fighters, and you try to...
Read the bio on them and it doesn't even allow you to click on it.
It actually takes you back to the other fight.
It's weird.
It's weird.
Okay, let's see if I can search Fighters BJ Penn.
brendan schaub
I'm saying BJ's probably 35. You could just do BJ Age on Google.
joe rogan
I'm saying 34. I'm going to say 36. Okay, let's try here.
Let's see.
BJ Penn.
Do, do, do, do, do.
35. Wow.
35. Hilo, Hawaii.
35. So for BJ's, you know...
Last chance for romance.
At the lighter weights especially, heavier guys can last longer.
They oftentimes, especially heavyweights, mature a little bit later and are still effective.
brendan schaub
I'm still grown.
I take my Flintstone vitamins.
unidentified
Word.
brendan schaub
Word up.
Listen, I'm rooting for BJ. I want him to win.
I don't think he stands a chance.
Really?
I don't.
It hurts to say because I love BJ. Do you know what the odds are?
No, I don't.
joe rogan
They opened up at 10 to 1. Frankie?
Mm-hmm.
Frankie is the favorite.
brendan schaub
Makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Makes sense.
joe rogan
Frankie's outstanding.
I mean, he's just a fucking, he's a stud.
He's a fucking stud.
He's an outstanding athlete.
He's got some of the best footwork in the UFC. I'd say the heart.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'd say if not the best.
joe rogan
No one's got a bigger heart.
No one's got a better chin.
No one's more of a fucking gamer than Frankie.
He's his game as fuck.
Take those Gray Maynard fights.
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Bro, his coach, Mark Henry, I worked with him before I fought Cro Cop.
I flew out to New Jersey with his camp.
I was with Ricola Almeida, his striking coach, Mark Henry.
And it's insane.
I've never seen anything like it.
If you watch Mark Henry in the corner, he's drenched in sweat by the end of the fight.
It's literally like he has a control stick, and he's doing this with Frankie.
He's just shouting out, Frankie, they have a whole system in code.
He'll go, 1-3-4-5, 1-3-4-5, and It changes every fight so he can't pick up on it.
It's like his coach is Peyton Manning and is running the offense.
And he's so nervous before the fight because he feels like it's banking on him because he calls every combination you see.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
There's no one else like him in the UFC, coaching-wise.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
Mark Henry.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
unidentified
Beast.
joe rogan
Did you get a lot out of working with him?
brendan schaub
A ton.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
A ton.
joe rogan
Did you think about moving to New Jersey?
brendan schaub
I did.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
What held you back?
joe rogan
The chicks?
Accents?
Dudes with gold chains?
brendan schaub
No, Jersey Shore came out and I was like, fuck that.
Jersey Shore came out on MTV and I'm good.
I'm all set.
If they all look like Snooki, I'm all set.
joe rogan
That's where I was born, man.
So I came to LA. That's where I was born.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Mark Henry's a beast, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I was working as a bass man.
I worked with him so much.
Yeah.
The calluses on my feet were ripping off because I'd work in his basement nonstop at night.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
The guy's work ethic is insane.
I don't think there's another coach in the world who works harder than Mark Henry.
joe rogan
Wow.
So you really get enough credit?
No kidding.
brendan schaub
You don't get enough credit.
joe rogan
I was getting it from you.
Did you think about moving down there?
You really did?
brendan schaub
I did.
I did.
But there wasn't big guys.
There was no big guys around.
Anyone.
joe rogan
That's a big thing, isn't it?
brendan schaub
A bummer.
A super bummer.
joe rogan
Do you base where you train by the size of the guys?
brendan schaub
I base on it on the coaches.
First I find the coaches and then I always think that at least if there's big guys in the area, I'll at least get to them somehow.
Honestly, I thought me and Verdun would work together more.
When I first came out to give a trial run, there was word that me and Verdun were going to fight each other.
Me and him started talking shit to each other on Twitter.
It got out of hand.
He tweeted me like, I'll fight you on the moon.
I put, okay, or we can just do in Las Vegas September 21st, not the moon.
Save your money.
joe rogan
Rockets are expensive.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what I said.
I said rocket fuel is super expensive.
unidentified
It's just doing Las Vegas, bro.
brendan schaub
Definitely won that battle.
bryan callen
Kind of an awkward thing to step up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, so we were going to fight, but then he was like, nah, man.
We might have to fight, so he doesn't want to work together.
Great guy, though.
bryan callen
How about now?
joe rogan
Well, they still might have to fight, dude.
They're both in the heavyweights in the UFC. Are you paying attention?
bryan callen
Yeah, I am, but you can still train with him.
brendan schaub
I would work with him, yeah.
joe rogan
Look how skinny BJ is.
It's kind of weird looking at him all skinny like this.
bryan callen
Looks like Brian Kelman.
brendan schaub
I love his walkout.
His walkout's my favorite in the UFC. He gets so emotional, sometimes he cries when he walks out, huh?
joe rogan
Look at that.
He's getting me fired up, man.
Looking at him, just looking at his face gets me fired up.
brendan schaub
I love it.
joe rogan
I'm a huge BJ Penn fan.
brendan schaub
Me too, man.
joe rogan
God damn.
And Frankie Edgar.
They could not live in more contrasting places.
One of them lives in paradise, the other one lives in fucking Jersey.
unidentified
Jersey.
Jersey.
brendan schaub
That's Mark Henry right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I like those gloves, too.
Big, thick, padded gloves, but they still have...
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, I don't know if you'll be able to pick it up on the broadcast, but you'll literally hear Mark shouting the entire rounds.
Four, five, six, seven, nine, nine, nine.
bryan callen
Just those are all combinations.
brendan schaub
And they change it every camp.
God, that's incredible.
Because they don't want people picking up on it.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
brendan schaub
It shows you how smart Frank is, too.
joe rogan
Well, it shows you how much work they put in.
brendan schaub
There's some serious work.
Oh, Mark Henry, just off me, just when we worked together, I'm talking this notebook right here.
Completely full notes.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
It was overwhelming.
I was like, damn, I need to go study this for about a year.
joe rogan
So what does it feel like when you leave that and you train with someone else and you don't have all that?
You must feel like, what the fuck?
I'm not maximizing my potential.
brendan schaub
Nope, I got a guy now here in LA. Does the same shit?
Does the same shit.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Does the same shit, but he's just boxing.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
We've talked about this.
joe rogan
Yeah, we need to talk about that when you shut this off.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we'll talk about this on air.
joe rogan
I got some new information for you.
brendan schaub
All right.
joe rogan
We'll talk some more.
But here it is.
It's going down right now, man.
Oh, I'm so excited about this fight.
unidentified
It's going to be great.
joe rogan
I almost thought about staying in Vegas just for this fight.
Wow, that place filled up.
That shows you, man.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you right now, Fedor could be fighting in the prime, could be fighting a prime freaking whoever, and I wouldn't have stayed in Vegas.
joe rogan
I would have, well, man, I don't know.
I would have, Fedor, I would have stayed for.
brendan schaub
Not me.
Fedor could have been fighting Cro Cop in the prime, and I would have went home to LA right now.
joe rogan
No, not me.
I would have told my wife, listen, bitch.
bryan callen
Mike Dolce in the background.
joe rogan
I'll see you in a day.
brendan schaub
It's not me.
joe rogan
I gotta watch Fedor and Crow Cup.
brendan schaub
It's not me.
I would have paid double for my ticket today to get home.
joe rogan
That's funny.
But out of all the fighters that I wish I had seen live, he's number one, Fedor.
brendan schaub
Ooh, I saw him live when he beat up Mark Coleman in Vegas.
joe rogan
Never saw him live.
brendan schaub
Real ass-whooping.
joe rogan
That was a real ass-whooping.
That was hard to watch.
brendan schaub
Yeah, horrible.
Does it sound like they're booing him?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No way.
unidentified
No one's booing B.J. Ben, bro.
joe rogan
Fucking A, man.
This is wild.
Look at him.
bryan callen
He looks thinner, man.
He looks like he looks...
joe rogan
Oh, he's way thinner.
I mean, they're fighting at 145. You know, BJ fought heavyweight.
He fought Lyoto Machida.
brendan schaub
In Hawaii?
It was over 205. It was called The Rock, correct?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
The promotion called The Rock?
joe rogan
They didn't fight in heavyweight.
No, he fought...
I mean, he did fight in Hawaii, Rumble on the Rock.
brendan schaub
Rumble on the Rock, that's what I was referring to.
joe rogan
But that's not when he fought Lyoto.
He fought Lyoto in Japan.
Mm-hmm.
He fought Gomi in Hawaii when Gomi was a legend, and he beat the piss out of Gomi.
That's when Gomi was at his best.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
Frickin' love BJ Penn.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
Look at this.
Amazing.
bryan callen
TJ and Joey.
brendan schaub
I wish I could hear it.
joe rogan
That's a living legend right there, folks.
brendan schaub
Straight up.
joe rogan
He is a living legend.
brendan schaub
Oh, you like Bruce Lee?
Yeah, we got BJ Penn fighting right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's actually competing.
joe rogan
I'm a big fan of Bruce Lee, too, but I think all this Bruce Lee talk's getting out of hand.
brendan schaub
I agree 100%.
bryan callen
He wouldn't last too long in the octagon.
joe rogan
People are saying he's the greatest this, the greatest.
He's a very good actor.
He had some really good ideas about martial arts.
brendan schaub
Did some great stuff.
Did some great stuff with Jeet Kondo, but however, he never officially competed.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
There's nothing on I think I said this on my podcast, The Fighting Kid, or on yours, I forget.
People bombard me with tweets like, how dare you?
No, man, I'm stating the facts.
I'm sure he's great.
He's great.
One of the best ever.
joe rogan
Dude, I wear Bruce Lee t-shirts all the time.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
I love Bruce Lee.
brendan schaub
However, I can't talk about him and BJ Penn in the same sentence.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Keep it real.
brendan schaub
One's a warrior.
bryan callen
One's an actor, one's a warrior.
joe rogan
Yeah, and again, he was hugely important.
Bruce Lee is hugely important.
I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan.
He was the original mixed martial artist.
He was the first guy.
When I came along in the 1980s, when I was doing martial arts, when I first started, they still had this issue where people were loyal to their style.
They still got a lot of that, man.
And Bruce Lee was the very first guy, and it was even before I started training.
The very first guy who came along and said, that's all nonsense.
Like, you should use what's useful.
And he built his own style that was based on incorporating all these different martial arts.
brendan schaub
He also turned martial arts into a business.
bryan callen
And Enter the Dragon, he actually does an arm bar, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he does.
Well, he worked out a lot with Gene LaBelle.
bryan callen
Oh, he did?
joe rogan
Gene LaBelle was on the podcast.
He told me some great stories.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
Hey, that's classic.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He was a tiny guy, right?
He was like 5'4".
135. 135, yeah.
joe rogan
About 5'7", I think.
135. Yeah, 5'7", yeah.
brendan schaub
They still really don't know how he died, right?
They say he mixed, like, aspirin with painkillers.
joe rogan
He had a head injury, apparently.
Like, some sort of aneurysm or something like that.
bryan callen
Obviously, you guys don't know about the Chinese mafia.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
Yeah, I know.
brendan schaub
That's the other one, right?
No, no.
I literally, I Googled it because I was getting so much heat about Bruce Lee.
And they said he was at, like, some director's house.
He had a headache.
He took aspirin.
Then we went home, he took a painkiller, and it killed him.
joe rogan
Look at Frankie Edgar.
brendan schaub
He always runs in.
And you'll see Mark Henry running right behind him.
You see him trying to keep up?
There he is.
Look.
There's your Nintendo controller.
Here he comes.
Nintendo 64 in the house.
joe rogan
Damn.
Frankie Edgar.
Holy shit.
Here we go.
Here we go.
brendan schaub
Remember those Frankie Ben Henderson fights?
Those are so close.
I had Frankie beating Ben in Denver.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought he won.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
I thought it was very close, but I thought Frankie won.
Man, I can't believe this fight's about to go down.
This is so exciting.
brendan schaub
I can't believe they're fighting again.
joe rogan
Alright, death.
Lee collapsed in Golden Harvest Studios in Hong Kong while doing dubbing work for Enter the Dragon.
Suffering from seizures and headaches, he was immediately rushed to Hong Kong Baptist Hospitals where doctors treated him with chicken bones and voodoo.
Well, there's your problem.
Diagnosed a cerebral edema.
bryan callen
I was like, what?
joe rogan
Hong Kong Baptist Hospital.
bryan callen
So he had an aneurysm or something, right?
joe rogan
Listen to that.
Hong Kong Baptist Hospital.
Okay.
He had a cerebral edema.
They were able to reduce the swelling.
Wow, so he had bleeding in the brain, man.
bryan callen
Wow, that's fucked up.
joe rogan
So that was in May.
The same symptoms that occurred in his first collapse were repeated on the day of his death.
1973, Lee was in Hong Kong to have dinner with James Bond star George Lazenby, whom he intended to make a film.
According to Lee's wife Linda, he met with producer Raymond Chow at 2 p.m.
to discuss the making of the film.
They worked until 4 p.m.
and drove together at home to the home of Lee's colleague, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Three went over the script and then Chow left to attend a dinner meeting.
Lee complained of a headache.
Team gave him an analgesic painkiller which contained aspirin and a muscle relaxant.
Around 7.30 he went to lie down for a nap.
He did not turn up for dinner.
She came to the apartment but could not wake him up.
A doctor was summoned, spent 10 minutes attempting to revive him before sending him to an ambulance.
He was dead at the time he reached the hospital.
There's no visible external injury.
However, according to autopsy reports, his brain had swollen considerably.
So it was probably from fucking brain injuries from getting a beating.
brendan schaub
Like concussion style?
joe rogan
Could be, man.
brendan schaub
Dang.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
The doctor stated that he had died from an allergic reaction to the muscle relaxant.
Which he described as a common ingredient in painkillers.
When doctors announced Lee's death, officially it was ruled death by misadventure.
Oof.
Misadventure.
bryan callen
So in other words, misadventure is a recreational use of drugs or something?
brendan schaub
A technical term?
Misadventure?
joe rogan
Well, that's...
brendan schaub
Trying to have an adventure and that's...
bryan callen
Look at BJ. Look at BJ. You can see his abs.
Never seen that before on BJ. Well, when he fought Diego.
brendan schaub
He's had him before, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's obviously in good shape, man.
This is so interesting.
unidentified
Definitely going for BJ. Never root against BJ. I'm so fascinated right now.
brendan schaub
Me too, and I love his shorts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Love them.
joe rogan
To a prodigy.
brendan schaub
I think he was one of the fastest ever to get his black belt, correct?
Four years?
joe rogan
Three.
brendan schaub
Three years.
joe rogan
Three years.
Not just black belt, won the world championships.
unidentified
What?
Three years?
joe rogan
Won the Mundials as a black belt three years after he began training.
bryan callen
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's insane.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
Well, he had incredible, always had incredible flexibility.
You know, that's one of the benefits that he's always had, dexterity and flexibility in his legs.
So instead of just being able to hold you with his arms, he holds dudes with his legs as well.
unidentified
He's like a chimp.
joe rogan
Yeah, amazing leg.
Guys who roll with him, they always come back and they go, his ground game is so freaky because of his legs.
He's on such another level.
brendan schaub
Have you ever rolled with him or no?
joe rogan
No, no, never have.
Here we go.
Here we go.
This is it.
Oh, my goodness.
bryan callen
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Oh, my.
Well, Eddie Bravo's got the freakiest legs.
You want to talk about leg posterity?
Oh, my goodness.
He can do the craziest shit with his legs, put them in places without things that other people have to do where you have to grab your foot and put them in.
Eddie can just do it like a hand.
He can do it like a hand.
His flexibility is ridiculous.
brendan schaub
That's cool.
joe rogan
In certain positions, but it's weird.
He doesn't have flexible hamstrings.
bryan callen
Here we go, kids.
joe rogan
Here we go.
bryan callen
Here we go.
joe rogan
BJ's opening up with strikes.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
You know how Freddie Roach has worked with all these MMA guys?
joe rogan
Look at how tall BJ's standing.
Look how tall he's standing.
It's weird.
brendan schaub
I don't think he's worried about getting taken down.
bryan callen
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look how tall he's standing.
brendan schaub
Never seen him do that.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Weird.
brendan schaub
Freddie Roach said BJ has the best boxing he's ever seen for an MMA guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at this, man.
Ooh, nice left hook there by BJ. Dude, BJ looks really tall.
This is really strange.
bryan callen
Standing right there in the pocket.
brendan schaub
I mean, does he want to get taken down?
joe rogan
Dude, he looks different than I've ever seen him before.
So strange.
Wow.
He's looking good.
Nice leg kick by Frankie.
brendan schaub
When you're that tall, the leg kick's there all night long.
joe rogan
So are the takedowns, right?
brendan schaub
Takedowns especially, but the leg kicks are just there.
He's super tall on his tippy toes.
joe rogan
Standing up straight.
brendan schaub
Literally on his tippy toes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's so weird.
bryan callen
It is weird.
joe rogan
He's like he's changed his style.
Frankie's looking for a takedown.
He gets it.
brendan schaub
Maybe he want to go to the ground.
Maybe.
joe rogan
Feet on the hips.
BJ pushes him off.
Leg kicks by Frankie.
Wow, this is crazy to watch.
brendan schaub
Super interesting.
I feel like BJ wants him down there.
joe rogan
I'm excited that it's five rounds.
unidentified
Me too.
brendan schaub
BJ wants to submit him.
joe rogan
Frankie went right back to it.
You think so?
brendan schaub
I do.
Why else would you be on tippy toes inviting a takedown?
joe rogan
I don't know if that's it.
I really don't know if that's it.
brendan schaub
And he's not kicking to get up either, is he?
joe rogan
No.
Did you notice that when he was throwing punches, when he was hitting the pads in the preview, he was standing straight up too?
It was weird.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I just thought it was...
joe rogan
He was just fucking around, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought so too, but it's almost like he's changed his style a little bit.
I wonder if he brought in someone new to work with.
He's got a philosophy behind it.
brendan schaub
You'd have to, right?
You can't just switch it up for no reason.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe he had a vision.
brendan schaub
Maybe he said, come on down to the ground, son.
joe rogan
I was in the ocean.
I had a vision.
unidentified
I took a rock and went under the water.
bryan callen
Now you sound Brazilian.
joe rogan
No, I'm not.
bryan callen
After a rock?
brendan schaub
So he's not trying to get up.
joe rogan
No.
No, he's not.
But Frankie's not trying to let him up either.
It's weird.
Frankie tried to turn that corner back in the guard.
brendan schaub
Trying to pass this butterfly guard.
joe rogan
DJ has a ridiculous guard.
Ridiculous guard to pass.
But, you know, doesn't get a lot of triangles.
He doesn't.
brendan schaub
Doesn't leave a lot of shit off of his back.
bryan callen
He's in the middle of the octagon.
There's a lot of room to move.
joe rogan
Well, he sweeps guys and takes their back.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he always gets their back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he's known for that.
And locking guys up with one arm trapped, he's a master at that.
One arm trapped while he's got your back.
brendan schaub
Good luck.
Frankie passes his butterfly.
I'm going to be impressed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at that.
brendan schaub
See, he could get up right there.
He could literally get up right there.
joe rogan
It seems like he doesn't want to.
brendan schaub
That was badass.
joe rogan
That's Ensign Inouye style.
Old school.
You ever see that fight Ensign and Randy Couture?
Ensign threw some gangster kicks off of his back from the butt scoot.
And then he armbarred Randy.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
joe rogan
Frankie trying to get back in there.
Back in there.
Again, the same.
Look at trying to pass.
brendan schaub
Look at him trying to pass.
bryan callen
Ain't half that.
Is Ensen anyway a Samoan?
joe rogan
No, he's Japanese.
bryan callen
He's a big Japanese guy.
joe rogan
Is he a black guy?
brendan schaub
Is that a black guy?
joe rogan
Is he Ethiopian?
bryan callen
He's about 6'7".
Anyway, could be.
joe rogan
He was so thick.
bryan callen
He was just so thick.
He has to be something else besides Japanese.
joe rogan
No, he doesn't.
There's a lot of thick Japanese guys.
Look at Fujita.
Super thick.
brendan schaub
Look at Ishi.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Satoshi Ishi's a fucking real thick dude.
Judo champion.
brendan schaub
Oh, by the way, don't call him Ishi.
He likes to be referred to as Satoshi.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
brendan schaub
Learned that after two years of training with him.
bryan callen
What is Satoshi?
joe rogan
Well, is Ishi's first name?
Is that what it is?
And Satoshi's his last name?
brendan schaub
No, Satoshi's his first name.
Ishi, I don't know.
I don't know how it works.
Someone's trying to explain.
joe rogan
BJ, back up.
Let's see this.
brendan schaub
Upright again.
joe rogan
Straight up in the air.
We're a good kick to the body by Frankie.
Nice switch kick.
brendan schaub
Why, Frankie, are going to throw more leg kicks?
There we go.
joe rogan
Checked one.
bryan callen
Great footwork.
Look at Frankie, man.
brendan schaub
I wish we could hear Mark Henry right now.
joe rogan
So strange.
brendan schaub
It is so weird.
joe rogan
So strange seeing this style from him.
Light on his toes, very narrow stance.
Very narrow stance.
brendan schaub
The most narrow I've ever seen in the UFC, besides the kid who just got knocked out, who's 6'5".
joe rogan
No, he's more narrow than that guy.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
That guy was straight upright.
joe rogan
Yeah, but BJ's got his feet practically touching each other.
brendan schaub
BJ's feet are touching each other and he's tippy toes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ooh, nice left hook by Frankie.
Good combination.
brendan schaub
Guess what's gonna happen tomorrow?
Kids gonna be in the gym on their tippy toes.
Guarantee it.
Copycat league.
joe rogan
Man, really, really interested to see how this plays out.
brendan schaub
It's weird, man.
joe rogan
I gave that first round to Frankie.
Frankie took him down.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
Frankie definitely landed more shots.
B.J. was able to stifle him in the guard, but Frankie kicked the shit out of his legs after he disengaged.
brendan schaub
Frankie landed more, kicked, takedown, controlled him on the ground, although he was trying to pass.
It didn't happen.
See, how if you're a judge, when it goes to the ground, you can't pass and you do no damage.
B.J. gets no recognition for that.
Zero as a judge.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally true.
Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.
brendan schaub
It means nothing in a fight.
However, I'm just saying...
joe rogan
Right, I know what you're saying.
Well, you know what it really is, man?
The system should be 30 points.
It should be a 10-point system.
It should be a 30-point system.
And they should take into account striking, grappling, submissions.
You know, all those three things should be taken into account.
And that, you know, maybe 10 points each side.
Like, maybe one guy gets 10 points for...
Grappling.
The other guy gets 9. The other guy gets 10 points of striking.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
At what point are they going to make the change?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I don't think in my lifetime.
joe rogan
Oh, I think so.
brendan schaub
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
They're actually looking at some alternative scoring methods now.
They've discussed it.
I mean, the UFC is very aware of it.
I would like to see them do something about the gloves.
brendan schaub
Can you see Mark Henry in the back yelling?
joe rogan
No, I can't see him.
brendan schaub
Look at him.
unidentified
See him?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's calling out.
brendan schaub
Non-stop.
He wants leg kicks.
joe rogan
Interesting fight, man.
Interesting so far.
I want to see if B.J. gets in his groove.
He's in good shape, I'll tell you that, man.
In this second round, still looking good.
Good overhand right with Frankie.
I like how Frankie does that.
Goes through the single, makes it look like he's going to struggle for it, disengages and cracks you.
brendan schaub
That's Mark Henry's thing, and they did it the first time B.J. fought.
What would they do?
He's so good at defending that single leg.
They're just attempting it so B.J. reacts so they can land a left hook.
joe rogan
Oh, he tagged him to the right.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
brendan schaub
If you're BJ, though, what are you telling him?
Your corner's just like...
joe rogan
I don't know.
BJ's just walking him down.
It's interesting.
brendan schaub
He's putting the pressure on, but...
joe rogan
If I say interesting one more time, I'm going to hit myself.
I'm fucking mad at myself.
brendan schaub
This fight is interesting.
It is.
It's the best way to put it.
BJ's upright and just kind of walking forward, kind of...
I don't know.
Eating leg kicks and...
joe rogan
It's very odd.
Well, he's checked a lot of them, too, though, man.
He's doing a great job of checking them.
brendan schaub
Judges don't care about that.
joe rogan
No, no.
There's that right hand again by Frankie.
But BJ's walking him down, man.
Walking him down.
Walking him down.
brendan schaub
You ready for my prediction?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
Fourth round TKO Frankie Edgar.
joe rogan
Another takedown by Frankie.
brendan schaub
From a right hand.
joe rogan
Really?
What makes you say that?
brendan schaub
I just see some stuff.
That's what I think.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
What do I know?
joe rogan
That's a big prediction.
brendan schaub
It is.
joe rogan
Bold bastard.
unidentified
Bold.
joe rogan
You are bold though.
Brendan Schaub, if you're anything, you're bold.
brendan schaub
Like that A1 sauce, but bold.
Bold, dog.
joe rogan
Spicy.
unidentified
Spicy.
joe rogan
Again, feet on the hips.
brendan schaub
See, I see this and I'm like, damn, that's so dope.
BJ can control in there and he can't pass.
Everyone else is like, damn, BJ's getting his ass whooped.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
He doesn't do anything offensive from his guard.
It's very rare.
I don't think he has a single armbar victory from the guard in his career.
What he does is control guys, stifles them, sweeps them, and then takes their back and chokes them.
Of all his submissions, what are they?
They're almost all rear naked chokes.
brendan schaub
He gets your back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Frankie landed a nice right hand there.
brendan schaub
Isn't that weird?
BJ's such a BJJ... Just ridiculous skills.
And he really only rear-naked, guys.
Like, you're not seeing arm bars, leg attacks.
He knows them 100%.
He knows all of them.
But you have your niche that you do, and you get comfortable with doing it.
Isn't it weird?
bryan callen
This is also weird for him to be sitting on his back like this.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Some guys just do that.
Like, Marcelo Garcia, known for...
Rear nakeds and guillotines.
Very rarely do you see Marcelo attempt an armbar.
Although he did leg lock Rico Rodriguez in the absolute of Abu Dhabi.
brendan schaub
Which is crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Well, Rico was terrified of him.
Remember when he had Rico's back and Rico threw himself back on top of Marcelo?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
250 pounds of Rico.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Slammed him.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is kind of fucked.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I think it's weird, man.
It's so strange.
You get good.
You probably have two moves in your back pocket that are your go-tos.
You know the rest.
You know how to defend them, but they're not your go-tos.
joe rogan
Yeah, there are certain guys that do that over and over.
Look at Ronda and her arm bars.
Ronda's arm bars are fucking ridiculous.
Like when she fought Misha Tate when they did the Ultimate Fighter together and she said, better get used to wiping your ass with the other hand.
She's telling her, I'm going to arm bar you.
And what does she do?
Arm bars her.
I mean, incredible.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
It's crazy, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When someone has it, like, you remember Paul Sass?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Really good triangles.
brendan schaub
Yeah, great triangles.
joe rogan
He had something like nine triangle victories in a row.
Look at Chuck Liddell.
Arms crossed.
brendan schaub
Just nod into it.
Just like, what the hell?
joe rogan
He's probably nodding out.
If we see Chuck nod out in the background, that would be fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Boy, this is not the most exciting fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, BJ's got to be thinking he's two rounds in the hole here, though, no?
I mean, Frankie on top of him, two rounds in the hole.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
He's in half guard.
Oh, he's going to sweep him.
Oh, he got blasted right there.
Blasted.
joe rogan
Took some serious shots there.
brendan schaub
Now he's seeing some ground and pound.
joe rogan
Dexterity of his legs is ridiculous.
So few people can move around like that off their back with their legs.
But the bottom line is he's taking a beating, man.
Frankie's on top of him, elbowing the shit out of him here.
Oh, damn.
Frankie's relentless.
bryan callen
Frankie's so tough.
brendan schaub
I hate seeing this, man.
unidentified
Look at this.
brendan schaub
I hate seeing BJ Penn get beat up.
joe rogan
He is getting beat up, too, man.
Two rounds.
BJ's got to come on strong.
Look at this.
Oh, my goodness.
BJ is getting rocked here with these elbows.
He's staying calm and everything.
brendan schaub
See, like here, you can, I mean, at his level, you can go for legs here, and you can go for ankles.
unidentified
He doesn't do it, though.
brendan schaub
That's your options there.
joe rogan
He doesn't do it.
brendan schaub
But he knows him, you know him.
joe rogan
I'd like to see him in his corner.
Look, he's tired now.
brendan schaub
I'd love to hear the corner.
Not this one, the other one.
joe rogan
Man, interesting.
Ricardo Almeida's in his corner, too?
brendan schaub
Great guy.
joe rogan
Give us a little volume there, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Please give us BJ's.
joe rogan
BJ's all busted up a little.
His cheek, he's taking big deep breaths now.
Two rounds in the hole for Frankie.
bryan callen
I remember Ricardo when he was 17 at Hensos.
Walking around just beating everybody up at 17. Really?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
Let me hear this corner.
Damn, his face looks like, fuck it.
brendan schaub
I gotta be honest.
That's a face of, you know what, fuck this.
joe rogan
Just win this round.
That's not advice.
Just win this round?
He wasn't gonna.
brendan schaub
What should he say, though, Joe?
What can you say?
Hey, bro, you are completely getting your ass kicked.
Let's try and revamp everything.
You can't.
joe rogan
He just took a big, deep breath, too.
Well, you know, what he's gotta do is he's gotta keep the fight standing, or he's gotta take Frankie down and get on top of him.
I mean, if BJ gets on top, his top game is nasty.
But he just can't hold him in his guard and put his feet on the hips like that.
brendan schaub
Right hand's gonna drop.
Right hand is gonna drop BJ. And he's gonna get TKO'd.
bryan callen
Oof.
So weird.
unidentified
This isn't as cool as I thought.
joe rogan
It's changing.
brendan schaub
Now I'm super depressed.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a beating in that second round.
I was all crunk about it.
Oh, another right hand by Frankie.
Frankie's just more active, more accurate, more unpredictable.
And more successful so far.
Look at that.
Nice kick on the transition.
Looks like he's pulling away.
Boom.
Lands that kick.
He does things like he'll shuffle in for the punches, and then the second time he shuffles out, he throws a hard kick.
Or he looks like he's going to do what he just did, and he goes for a takedown.
He mixes shit up so well.
brendan schaub
He's great at mixing it up.
joe rogan
And you think that's all his coach, huh?
A big part of it, huh?
brendan schaub
Huge part of it.
joe rogan
Very interesting, man.
brendan schaub
Because when they hit mitts, they do it.
joe rogan
I'd love to watch those guys train.
See.
I loved his fight with Oliveira.
Charles Oliveira?
brendan schaub
That was a great fight.
joe rogan
Oliveira, very underrated guy.
brendan schaub
Dude, what happened to Gray Maynard?
joe rogan
He got knocked out by a couple different guys.
Nate Diaz knocked him out.
brendan schaub
But you don't hear from him, right?
You don't really hear much lately.
joe rogan
What is his name that was going to fight for the title?
I'm just watching this.
I'm trying to pay attention while I'm watching this.
brendan schaub
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
TJ Grant knocked him out, too.
brendan schaub
With an elbow.
That's right.
Standing elbow.
joe rogan
It's a few KOs and that was after Frankie had knocked him out.
brendan schaub
That right hand is finding the home.
joe rogan
Oh man, beautiful combinations by Frankie.
The movement was just so good.
brendan schaub
He's not there for a recoil.
joe rogan
Oh man, he just ragdolled BJ to the ground there.
Crazy.
BJ's got to do something, man.
He can't just lay here with him in his guard like he's been doing.
Frankie trying to pass again.
Like, BJ's so comfortable in this position, but it's a terrible position for him.
brendan schaub
It's almost bad that he's that comfortable here because you're just losing the fight, getting beat up.
joe rogan
But it's so weird because, you know, he doesn't have an offensive guard.
He doesn't have a guard where he's attacks off his back, tries to lock up triangles.
bryan callen
He's just impossible to pass.
joe rogan
Well, Frankie's half past here.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's about to if he can clear that other foot.
joe rogan
Well, look.
brendan schaub
Nope.
joe rogan
Awesome dexterity.
It is impressive.
brendan schaub
Great recovery.
It really is.
I love seeing it.
joe rogan
It is impressive.
brendan schaub
Everyone else listening to this is like, this is the most bullshit fight ever.
joe rogan
Frankie's smashing up.
More elbows.
More elbows.
Boom, boom, boom.
How is BJ? Oh, BJ's cut bad now.
How is B.J. going to go?
Oh, he's lighting him up.
He's lighting him up.
That's nasty.
Look at it.
It's going into his eye now.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't be surprised if he was corny throwing the towel.
You're dealing with a legend like this.
joe rogan
Look at that blood.
brendan schaub
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
That's the bloodiest we've ever seen B.J. Yes.
brendan schaub
He doesn't really cut a lot.
joe rogan
Well, he's cutting a lot now.
Frankie keeps targeting that same spot with elbows.
And BJ's got two more minutes of this to deal with.
Oh, another one on the same spot!
Oh my goodness, BJ's getting fucked up.
Dude, Herb Dean might stop this fight.
brendan schaub
He's gonna look at the cut.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
Aw, damn.
joe rogan
Man.
BJ just doesn't have an answer.
He does not have an answer.
And Frankie's been saying, oh my god, he's pounded on him.
He's going to crucifix him.
brendan schaub
You're not crucifixing BJ and finishing like that.
You're just not going to happen.
joe rogan
Look at this.
bryan callen
He's getting hit in the head.
Bang, bang, bang.
joe rogan
He can't stop because of that.
He's pounding him, man.
What if Frankie submits him?
How crazy would that be?
brendan schaub
What if he gets the mount?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Frankie's just dominating.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's crushing him.
brendan schaub
He keeps going back to this butterfly guard and just doing nothing.
Oh, elbow.
joe rogan
Oh, another one.
He's getting worked.
This is crazy to watch.
brendan schaub
This is not cool.
joe rogan
Frankie's a monster, man.
He is a monster.
unidentified
He's a monster, man.
bryan callen
He really is.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Just fucking ferocious with these punches and elbows.
Herb's gonna stop the fight, man.
That's it.
Holy shit.
bryan callen
Yeah, there's no point.
joe rogan
That's it.
brendan schaub
BJ Penn.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Frankie Edgar puts BJ Penn away.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
Look at that.
bryan callen
That is weird.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
Wow, that was a route.
brendan schaub
That sucked.
joe rogan
It was a three route.
Well, it was great for Frankie.
Amazing performance.
brendan schaub
That's why he's a 10 to 1 favorite?
joe rogan
I would guess so.
bryan callen
Is he a 10 to 1 favorite?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the opening line, I mean, I don't know what it was when the actual fight went down, but man, that's hard to watch.
Hard to watch.
Hard to watch.
brendan schaub
It's crazy, man.
joe rogan
They all go down, man.
They all go down.
brendan schaub
Everyone does.
Hate to tell you, your favorite fighter, that's going to happen in one day.
Unless he gets out before that happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I hope that we've seen the last of certain guys like GSP. I don't want to see him go down like this.
unidentified
Me neither.
brendan schaub
I don't see Anderson go down like this.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you think he's going to go down like this again?
Do you think Anderson's going to wind up fighting again or fighting someone else?
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Boom.
Boom.
brendan schaub
Because they're going to give him a fight.
It'll probably be in his favor.
He'll win that one.
And then you get some demon who's not going to be down like that, you know?
joe rogan
Do you remember when he was coming out for the Weidman fight, the second fight, and he paused during his walk-in?
brendan schaub
That was weird.
He got down on his knees.
joe rogan
He squatted and just sat there, almost like he was having a hard time breathing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trying to keep it together.
unidentified
That was weird, right?
joe rogan
Recollect himself.
Yeah.
Well, it's just the fucking nerves, man.
Knowing that you're about to go in there against this dude who's made out of concrete.
brendan schaub
Tell me about it.
Especially at heavyweight.
I feel like...
I'm not saying...
But it is.
I am saying it's different.
Heavyweight's different.
joe rogan
Because they can crack you with one shot.
brendan schaub
Because you're going in and you're just like, all right, well, this guy's 265 pounds.
Literally, if I make an error, it's over.
And I'm going to get really, really hurt.
So at heavyweight, it's just different, man.
The nerves are different you're dealing with.
joe rogan
That's scary.
What's the guy that hit you the hardest, you think?
brendan schaub
Hardest in my life?
Everyone said, you know, like Roy Nelson, who I got knocked out by.
He hit me behind the ear, so it wasn't that hard.
Same with Noguera.
I would say...
unidentified
Rothwell?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
No?
brendan schaub
That's the lightest I've ever been hitting one out.
And the reason was I was sparring with Shane Carman the week before and got wobbled with a left hook.
Almost knocked out, basically.
And then fought.
That's why that shot put me down.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
Because if you look, Rothwell really doesn't hit me that hard.
I'm flailing, trying to put him away, and he just clips me in the back of the air and I fall down.
I was rocked before that fight.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That happens all the time, right?
brendan schaub
All the time.
And a heavyweight's a different bird.
I would say who rocked me where I kept going would be probably LeVar Johnson.
He hit me with an uppercut, and it literally almost ripped my lips off.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
I was just like, good lord.
joe rogan
He's a banger, huh?
brendan schaub
Yeah, a banger.
joe rogan
That guy can hit.
brendan schaub
He was put on his earth to knock bitches out.
joe rogan
He's a strong motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Might have been a boring fight, but it put a wrestling clinic on his big ass, and he cuts it positive for steroids.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did, right?
Well, that's it.
Wrestling 101. The end of the BJ Penn career, man.
I think we've seen the end, right?
brendan schaub
Well, now I'm super depressed.
joe rogan
I am?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It wasn't fun to watch, man.
brendan schaub
It wasn't cool to watch.
joe rogan
I was hoping it would be a competitive fight.
brendan schaub
You just don't want to see that, man.
joe rogan
That shit sucks.
brendan schaub
I'm all out of Bulletproof Coffee.
BJ Penn got his ass whooped.
joe rogan
There's another little thing to that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know.
I gotta sleep tonight.
I went to Zuman.
He did some weird stuff.
I need sleep.
I need sleep, man.
joe rogan
Man, it's tough to watch.
bryan callen
Another fighter companion.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I watched Donald Curry, who's a big fan of mine, fight Mike McCallum.
You remember Mike McCallum, the body snatcher?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
You don't remember him?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Middleweight champion, bad motherfucker.
And he, Mike McCallum, hit Donald Curry with a left hook to the body and then a left hook and knocked Donald Curry the fuck out.
Donald Curry went out flat on his back.
And I was so depressed, I just put on my fucking shoes and went running.
It was cold out.
I was living in Boston.
I ran down the street.
I just went running.
I couldn't take it.
I was just so depressed.
And then I remember deciding at that moment, I'm never going to get depressed when a fighter loses ever again.
I'm never going to invest.
brendan schaub
You're never going to let it affect you that way.
joe rogan
I can't let it affect me like that.
I remember deciding that because I was so bummed out.
I took it so personally.
That happens to a lot of people.
brendan schaub
It happens to me.
Like when I found out or lost to get the main event against Bigfoot, I went and ran probably six miles.
I get super stressed out and sad about it because that should have been me.
I didn't know what to do, so I just hit the gym running.
joe rogan
Let's talk about that because Bigfoot's a weird situation, man, because Bigfoot has a real issue.
Like, he's got a tumor on his pituitary gland.
He has giantism, gigantism, I guess, which made him...
I mean, they had to...
At one point in time in his career, he was over 300 pounds.
Yeah, he cut to 65. Yeah, he used to cut down to 265. He was fucking enormous.
brendan schaub
Shredded, too.
Shredded.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
When he fought Arlovsky, when he fought Fedor.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Shredded.
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
He was absolutely gigantic.
When he fought Arlovsky.
He fought Arlovsky?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
When?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they fought in Strikeforce.
Or it might have been Elite XC. It was Elite XC. How did he do?
He won in, I think it was a controversial decision, but it was a good fight.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
He won.
It might have been a decision, but he won for sure.
Listen, Bigfoot...
joe rogan
Oh, look at that cut.
My God.
brendan schaub
It's pretty bad.
Crazy.
Bigfoot on those stuff, though, just because he has an issue doesn't make it okay that he takes stuff.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
Because you want to make it fair?
Say, all right, Orlowski, you can take whatever he's taking.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
That would be fair.
joe rogan
Well, the only problem with that, of course, is that when you tell a guy they can take hormones, especially if you don't really need them naturally, if your body's healthy, you're going to fuck your whole endocrine system up.
Your system's not going to know what's going on.
brendan schaub
All right.
Yes.
joe rogan
So it's irresponsible.
brendan schaub
It's irresponsible.
At the same time, you're fighting a guy who is on different supplements to enhance his fighting career than you are, and you can't do anything about it.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
And he has a past to do this.
Oh, and they're fighting in Brazil?
Weird.
Weird.
You're fighting in Brazil.
Bigfoot in Brazil.
Orlovsky, this is not a gift.
This is a punishment.
joe rogan
Do you think that when he gets down there that, I mean, is it possible for Bigfoot to fight clean?
That's the real question.
brendan schaub
Nope.
joe rogan
Not possible.
unidentified
Nope.
brendan schaub
Not possible.
With his condition and stuff like that, not possible.
And he's been on it his entire career, and you want to get him off?
You want to rank him in the top five?
Good luck.
Good luck.
joe rogan
So what happens?
brendan schaub
There's a reason to fight him in Brazil.
joe rogan
So you think he's going to juice up?
brendan schaub
I think so.
joe rogan
Wow, interesting.
brendan schaub
I think so.
Listen, and this is what I would have done.
If UFC said, hey, why don't you fight Bigfoot in Brazil?
I'd say, listen, I'll fight Bigfoot, no problem.
I want to fight him in Vegas or California where the drug testing is strict.
Where, all right, he doesn't eat this stuff?
That's fine.
That's fair game.
However, I want it regulated.
I want random tests to make sure he's not overdoing it.
Because that's what guys are doing.
Let's be real here, man.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Fuck that noise.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what do you think about Vitor now?
Because Vitor's gonna...
brendan schaub
And he's gonna get a title shot!
joe rogan
But Weidman, that ain't no picnic, bro.
No!
Him fighting Weidman?
No!
Coming off the sauce and fighting Weidman?
brendan schaub
I know, man.
joe rogan
Have you seen photos of Vitor?
Have you seen video of him lately?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He does not look the same.
brendan schaub
He doesn't?
joe rogan
He does not look the same.
He looks much smaller.
brendan schaub
He's gonna probably get destroyed, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like he almost can make welterweight.
unidentified
Dang.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He takes a size 9 shoe.
He's got small hands and feet.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not the biggest guy in the world.
He's had a lot of broken hands because of that.
brendan schaub
Ooh, his wife is a dyme.
unidentified
You like that, huh?
joe rogan
I like that.
Look at you.
brendan schaub
Sorry, man.
Yeah, with the Bigfoot stuff, it's tough, man.
It's tough.
You almost want to say, alright, if you can't fight without taking this stuff, you should probably stop fighting.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not fair.
Either way you paint it, even if he needs the stuff, it's not fair.
Because the other guys aren't on it.
joe rogan
And that is the truth.
If you can't fight without it, you really should stop fighting.
Because a lot of the reasons why these people need that stuff is because of head injuries.
Or cheating.
Or you used to do steroids.
You used to cheat.
brendan schaub
Whatever the reason is, if I fight Bigfoot Silva and he's all juiced up on whatever cocktail he has in Brazil that I'm not on, you punch me in the face and I suffer horrible brain trauma because you were sauced up.
Or how about I punch him as hard as I can?
Dude, there's about two guys in this world who can take a Mark Hunt punch to the face.
Roy Nelson, who he's fighting September, and Bigfoot Silva, juiced up.
joe rogan
Only juiced up.
brendan schaub
He's not taking his...
Well, his head is enormous, so it probably helps him.
However, juiced up, it's helping him.
You can't sit in the pocket with Mark Hunt.
No one in this world can except for those two guys.
joe rogan
I wonder if it did help him, because if you know the whole story, Hunt fought Bigfoot...
And they had this incredible war, but then it turns out they tested Bigfoot after the fight.
He was on testosterone replacement, tested him before the fight, he was at normal levels, tested him after the fight, jacked to the roof.
bryan callen
Took some stuff in the locker room, maybe.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
brendan schaub
And he blamed his doctor.
joe rogan
Yeah, blamed his doctor, which is crazy.
His doctor's gonna sue him.
He said he was gonna sue him.
I don't know.
Who knows what the fuck happened.
brendan schaub
Either way, he illegally took stuff.
joe rogan
He definitely had elevated testosterone and he definitely had a tremendous ability to absorb punishment.
It didn't show in the Cormier fight.
Cormier put him away.
Kane put him away.
Kane lit him up and dropped him and put him away quick in their fight.
brendan schaub
And Mark Hunt hits harder than both of them combined.
There's no one in this heavyweight division that hits harder than Mark Hunt in the world.
There's just not.
joe rogan
Isn't that fascinating that testosterone can do that for you?
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
All you have to do is just go in there with...
Hyper elevated levels.
brendan schaub
So take out the part that he has fucking giganticism.
You know what I'm saying?
He's an absolute monster.
But now he can absorb punches and hit harder and better cardio.
joe rogan
Fuck.
bryan callen
If you're doing EPO and everything, you assume he's also doing that.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Listen, if you're open to this cocktail, if you love whiskey, you're not going to turn down vodka.
bryan callen
You're going to take the best cocktail.
brendan schaub
You're going to do whatever.
bryan callen
You guys believe that I don't do anything?
brendan schaub
No, I think you're on...
joe rogan
He had to bring it back to himself.
That is the question.
It's like, how many guys are on things?
brendan schaub
This is the thing, Joe.
If you're open to put these...
Supplements in your body.
Why wouldn't you be open to putting these other supplements in your body?
unidentified
Of course.
brendan schaub
You're not just like, well, I'll do this, but I gotta stay at this limit.
And they're like, well, if you do this, you're really gonna be a badass.
No, that's just ethically wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
If you're putting a needle in your ass, what do you care if it's filled halfway or full?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
That's true.
Yeah, that is true.
I mean, and a guy like Chael, I mean, that pretty much proves it.
You know, Chael had his reasons why he said that he took those first two supplements.
And then it turns out that they have this incredibly detailed, Testing that Lorenzo pays for that's $45,000 per fighter.
And they're taking this.
This is a crazy thing.
They take the blood, rather.
They take a test from you.
And then the guy has a direct chain of custody.
So he's taking this, flying with this blood, to the place where they're testing it.
unidentified
That's nuts.
bryan callen
He's like a notary.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I mean, well, he's basically like the guy carrying the fucking nuclear codes.
You know, he's flying with it in his possession at all times, gets to the lab, so it's never left his possession, and then they test it.
And, you know, they test it.
brendan schaub
That's how Chael got busted for all that stuff.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
EPO and HGH, which the athletic commissions were not testing for, because it's fucking expensive as shit.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, if they had a...
Look, if a fighter's getting paid eight grand, eight and eight, eight to win, eight to show...
And it's cost $45,000 to test him.
Something's crazy.
brendan schaub
That's why only the superstars are going to get caught.
Because you're paying the superstars so much money, it's worth it to risk it.
Is it worth it now?
Because now we just lost one of the biggest faces of the UFC who could talk people into liking the UFC. Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it, though?
brendan schaub
I don't think it's worth it.
joe rogan
Well, what is...
brendan schaub
Because he's not the only one.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
It's like baseball.
When people figure out Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa, you dumb fucks, all the pitchers were on it.
So it's a fair game.
Lance Armstrong, listen, when he tested positive, they had to go back to 15th place to find a guy who didn't test positive.
It's a level playing field if everyone's on it, you fucks.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Sort of, but it's kind of...
Well...
It's like, especially in combat sports, like, well, it's dangerous.
Well, so is getting punched in the face.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's pretty dangerous, too.
brendan schaub
Super dangerous.
bryan callen
It also keeps your career...
You can fight longer.
You can play longer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
You know, you're not hitting a fastball if your bat speed slows down a lot of times in the major leagues.
But you can make 20 more million dollars and play for five years if you take...
Some stuff.
brendan schaub
Ryan Braun?
Ryan Braun, the guy who got busted and ratted out everyone saying how he was against stuff.
That guy made $144 million.
Went to fucking Costa Rica.
I was suspended.
Came back.
He's fine.
Why wouldn't I do it?
bryan callen
And you stay injury-free.
brendan schaub
I'm balls deep in Costa Rican bitches.
bryan callen
You stay injury-free.
brendan schaub
$140 million in the bank.
bryan callen
Right.
brendan schaub
Everyone forgets.
He got a stand ovation when he went back to Milwaukee.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
Like, yeah, he's back.
Hey, guys.
Took a year off.
Recuperated my body.
Rich as shit.
bryan callen
Yep.
And you stay injury-free, though.
unidentified
That's the other thing he's saying.
joe rogan
Guaranteed.
Guaranteed.
And so they don't take any of that away from you when you test positive for drugs and rat out your friends?
brendan schaub
Maybe like 10 million.
Who gives a fuck?
Filthy rich.
bryan callen
Filthy rich.
joe rogan
That's so gross, though, isn't it?
That's an issue with Chael, as well.
They're bringing in the federal guys, so they're going to ask him questions.
Where'd you get the EPO? Especially EPO. That is a motherfucker.
That's a super, super illegal thing.
Yeah, you have that stuff.
brendan schaub
All of it's not good, man.
EPO, HGH, testosterone, whatever else he's on.
joe rogan
But HGH is normal.
You could find that.
EPO is tricky.
It's very dangerous.
bryan callen
They always say nobody went to jail for taking steroids, but you go to jail for lying to the feds.
joe rogan
You go to jail for lying.
brendan schaub
You go to jail for lying, and you go to jail for selling it in mass distributions.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens with jail.
I mean, I don't know where the fuck he got it from, but...
Brian Stan was talking about it, like, you know, that he had a conversation with Shale.
He's like, you better be forthcoming.
When they come to you and they ask you questions, that is where you can't lie to them.
brendan schaub
Listen, if Brian Stan tells me something as far as the government goes, I'm for sure listening.
Because he's working for him.
I'm calling him sir, too.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Why are you calling me sir?
I don't know.
I'm really freaked out right now.
I'm really freaked out right now.
Can you just come back to my hotel room and talk to me?
Can you talk me to sleep?
joe rogan
You're the inside guy here, more than any of us, right?
If I had to ask you, how many guys do you think, what percentage guys are taking HGH? There's a headline going to be tomorrow.
brendan schaub
Shop thinks everyone's on shit.
Refuses to fight Bigfoot.
Only in Denver.
joe rogan
I'm just going to say some numbers and you just give me facial expressions that don't necessarily confirm nor deny.
Okay?
60%.
unidentified
70%.
Wow.
joe rogan
We're going to stop there.
I don't want it to be...
bryan callen
That's amazing.
joe rogan
I don't even...
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Like when I fought LeVar Johns, for instance, we went on the scales, and we get off, I turn my coach, I go, come on, bro.
He's obviously on stuff.
I just assumed.
Everyone's like, bro, he's jacked.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know.
Literally, I just assume he's on shit.
I assume he's on HGH. I assume he's on testosterone.
It's just part of the game we play.
Which is fucking insane!
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Because he hit me with like this 30% uppercut and I was like in La La Land, almost ripped my fucking lips off.
joe rogan
30% uppercut.
brendan schaub
30% because it kind of went with it.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
That thing lands, my jaw's all shattered.
I'm fucking Kanye West style, like slurping my dinner and shit.
joe rogan
What happened to Kanye West?
brendan schaub
He got shot, I think, right?
And broke his jaw or something.
joe rogan
Was it?
Car accident.
brendan schaub
Car accident.
unidentified
When shot.
brendan schaub
I like figure gangster shot.
unidentified
I made that up.
He's not a gangster.
brendan schaub
I assumed.
joe rogan
He wears like Gucci loafers and shit.
He's a gangster.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
Sports are crazy.
Listen.
It's just not the UFC. We're talking about like it's just UFC prom.
This is everything.
Watch the NFL Network.
The bottom of the screen goes Jordan Dixon gets spent for enhancing performance enhancers.
It happens all the time but they don't make a big deal of it.
Literally.
You don't hear about it.
You didn't hear about it on SportsCenter.
joe rogan
Well, no one gets tested more than combat athletes, but in my opinion...
unidentified
But it's weird.
brendan schaub
They make such a big deal of it.
joe rogan
Well, here's the reason.
brendan schaub
These other sports, they don't.
joe rogan
Because if you're better because of performance-enhancing drugs, you're better at hitting a ball.
You're better at throwing a ball.
You're better at doing sports.
But you're not better at beating the fuck out of a person and causing damage to their brain.
brendan schaub
And definitely taking years off their life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
We saw A-Rod last night in Vegas.
I'm a fan.
I'm a fan.
I've always liked him.
joe rogan
Had a couple of gals with him.
Looks like he's having a good old time.
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
This guy was at the bar.
Two blonde dime pieces who I was going to go up to and kind of snagged myself.
Good thing I didn't.
Because they've been like, huh?
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
brendan schaub
You know what kind of money A-Rod's paying is?
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
brendan schaub
He's in the suite.
Oh, I'm in the cellar.
I'm sorry.
I'm down below.
I'm down below in New York.
Literally in the subway.
joe rogan
But I tell you, if I was A-Rod, I would be like, hey girls.
Here, my eyes are up here.
Look at me.
brendan schaub
They did have the hungry eyes for Big Brown, huh?
joe rogan
They were looking at me.
unidentified
You got a little wave.
joe rogan
I still got it, son.
unidentified
You got a wave.
brendan schaub
Hey, A-Rod, your girls were looking.
joe rogan
Well, let's talk about that.
unidentified
They like the merchandise.
joe rogan
There's a difference.
There's a difference between an athlete and a fighter.
When there's a bunch of athletes, but then the fighter walks in the room, the stakes have been changed.
brendan schaub
For sure.
Alpha male in the house.
Cool, you hit a little white ball?
That's awesome.
I'll snap your fucking neck.
unidentified
That's great.
bryan callen
I wish I could say that.
brendan schaub
I'll snap your neck and then fuck the two girls you brought.
Yeah, and you can't do anything about it.
joe rogan
Look at Brian.
I wish I could do that.
bryan callen
I know, I'm all jealous.
joe rogan
His feet are twisting up inside his shoes right now.
His toes are curling up and sweaty.
brendan schaub
It's not the Boston Red Sox, motherfucker.
Old snap your neck and take your girls.
joe rogan
Is there a single, like, sport that commands more respect in that sense?
brendan schaub
Not even close.
Because MMA, people really can't.
They're even like, what?
joe rogan
Well, look at fucking Floyd Mayweather.
He's compared to Ronda Rousey.
And everybody says Ronda Rousey would beat his ass in a street fight.
brendan schaub
Beat the shit out of him.
Everyone knows that.
joe rogan
I mean, I think she would.
I really do.
brendan schaub
100% she would.
joe rogan
You look at that last fight.
brendan schaub
I'm not mad at BJ's girl either.
joe rogan
She's very pretty, but look at poor BJ, man.
That is rough.
brendan schaub
See, that's the difference between us.
You looked at BJ, I looked at his girl.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's hard to watch, man.
brendan schaub
The worst, man.
I love that guy.
joe rogan
Hard to watch, man.
You know, now he's got to go home to his kids like that.
I mean, that was something that he said when he fought Nick Diaz.
I was talking to him.
He's like, I can't keep going home to my children looking like this.
brendan schaub
That's a beast, man.
joe rogan
Kids are scared of me, you know.
bryan callen
Dan Cormier once again, kids!
brendan schaub
I hate when I lose.
I hate being around my neighbors.
I'm like, damn, sorry, man.
joe rogan
Do they talk to you?
brendan schaub
And I hate my neighbors.
I hate them.
But I walk in and I'm like, fuck, sorry, bro.
I can't stand my neighbors.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
We hate each other.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's it about?
brendan schaub
Because they're 50 and act like they're 30 and they party and do drugs and keep me up when I'm in camp.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
brendan schaub
And the guy knows who I am, you know what I'm saying?
Like, come on, bro.
I just talked about snapping A-Rod's neck.
What do you think I'll do to you?
joe rogan
They're 50 and they party all night?
brendan schaub
Party, do drugs, coke, banging on the walls.
They yell at me when I bang on the walls.
I'm moving out of there, by the way, though.
Things are moving up.
No, my place is super nice, Doug.
My place is super nice.
It's super nice, but they're just whatever.
I don't know.
joe rogan
So you guys bang on the walls with each other?
brendan schaub
I bang on the walls and she yells at me.
Alright, I hear you.
I'll turn it down.
Cheeto fingers.
I went over there.
I gave them a motivational talk.
It didn't work.
joe rogan
You gave them a motivational talk?
brendan schaub
Yeah, how they need to clean their life, let them stop eating Cheetos and get a job.
joe rogan
Did you really?
unidentified
No, I didn't.
brendan schaub
I want to, though.
I'll do that.
$49.95, I'll come to your house with Cheeto fingers.
joe rogan
When you're in mid-camp and you're fucking training your ass off and you're constantly exhausted and constantly pushing it, do you look at this like, you know, like, man...
There's only a certain amount of years I can do this.
brendan schaub
No, I don't.
I think once you start thinking that, you're fucked.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
brendan schaub
Because they told me, I've heard about, I'm not going to mention names, a fellow heavyweight who was going through camp recently and was like, fuck this, man, this sucks.
Guess who doesn't say that in camp?
Me.
I'm like, fuck, man.
All I think about is what I did wrong.
I'm usually like, fuck, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.
I constantly think how I can get better.
joe rogan
You're very self-motivated, too.
You're not a guy who needs someone to wake you up.
brendan schaub
Fuck, no.
Because guess what?
If you have to have someone yell at you to motivate you and make you successful, someone's gonna yell at you while you're fucking getting your ass whipped.
You don't want that.
joe rogan
You know who else is self-motivated?
Brian Callen.
bryan callen
That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
He gets up, he pretends to work out, does some kipping chin-ups.
bryan callen
Hands are getting faster.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
Life's crazy.
joe rogan
Runs up the hill and gets tired.
bryan callen
That's it, guys.
I'm going to go to bed, get up early.
joe rogan
Are you?
What time are you working out tomorrow?
bryan callen
Train, do my meditation, read Nietzsche.
joe rogan
Do you read Nietzsche?
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
No, not at all.
bryan callen
Just like the way it sounds.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to say to chicks if you try and impress them.
unidentified
Of course it does.
bryan callen
Get into my horse stance.
joe rogan
It's a classic story.
The first time I ever went to Brian's house, he had some fucking catcher in the rye or some shit open on his coffee table.
I go, you don't read that.
I go, you put that out there when chicks come over to impress him.
He goes, you're right.
bryan callen
I tell a story about that in my stand-up.
I'm just laying books around.
She was really smart.
She went to Princeton.
I was like...
Oh, look.
Hemingway.
I don't know.
I guess I read it.
brendan schaub
Are you reading the dictionary?
bryan callen
When I'm not on TV, I read.
unidentified
Hemingway.
joe rogan
Trying to be all smart.
brendan schaub
Something I picked up in a book.
bryan callen
Something I picked up in a book, kids.
brendan schaub
Because I'm white.
joe rogan
W-H-I-T. Do you ever read books about training?
About mental toughness?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people do, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I read a lot of mental books, mental toughness.
I read a lot of military stuff.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Because if you can picture how military guys, like Navy SEALs, what they go through and the mind frame they get in, what we do is nothing compared to them.
You've got to think about the nerves the Navy SEAL's dealing with before they go into war.
And they talk about the breathing technique and the mentality they have, especially when they're going through boot camp and the Navy SEAL selection, which is insane because one out of 99 makes the cut.
I'm saying the guys who make it and the guys who run it say they can always tell who's going to make it because I guess they talk to them and interview them after each day and the guys will be like, yeah, man, there's only three weeks left.
If I can just get through these three weeks.
They say when that guy walks out of the room, like, he's fucked.
He's not going to make it.
Then when another guy comes in the room, he's like, I'm just trying to get through tomorrow, man.
I'm just trying to get through tomorrow.
I literally take it one drill at a time.
I go, just get through this drill and take the next drill.
And it's the same thing in fighting.
And that's what I do.
I never look at the grand scheme of things.
I never do.
Like, I'll wake up and like, alright, you got five rounds of sparring.
Let's do this first round.
And then I look at the second round, third, fourth, fifth.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
brendan schaub
But if you look at the grand scheme, like, oh man, I got 12 weeks to get ready for this fight.
And you think about the 12 weeks?
What the fuck?
That's a lot of work, man.
You're going to be overwhelmed.
You're not going to be focused at your best breaking it down individually.
joe rogan
That's interesting, but what about the overall game?
If you look at your overall mixed martial arts game and trying to improve and trying to compare all these things, do you have an overall assessment of over six weeks I would like to look like this?
Seven weeks in, I would like to be at these numbers, I'd like to be doing these rounds, I'd like to be doing...
Do you have things mapped out like that?
brendan schaub
No, because cardio has never been a huge issue for me.
I always get in crazy shape.
The one thing I do have as a marker, like a numerical marker, is my resting heart rate.
If I'm above 40, I freak out.
I'm usually around 37, 38 when I'm in phenomenal shape, which beats Michael Phelps and Hussain Bolt, by the way.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
So when I'm like 37, for Mitriona, I get down I think 36, 37 is like the best I've ever been.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
It's crazy, right?
joe rogan
What gets your heart rate there?
brendan schaub
Just being in phenomenal shape, man.
joe rogan
What is the best thing that you do?
What do you attribute that to?
brendan schaub
I don't know if I can put to one thing.
I'll just say the tempo I set non-stop.
And then I finish my week off by running on the track, doing these long sprints where we monitor my heart rate.
So I'll end my heart rate by like 188. As soon as it gets down to 140, I'm running again.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
That's how that does it, yeah.
joe rogan
As soon as it gets down to 140. 140. Wow.
brendan schaub
As soon as it hits 140, that's my wrist.
joe rogan
That's not very low.
brendan schaub
It's not very low.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
That's where I get my confidence from, though, man.
Because I'm fucking terrified.
And I'll be honest, I suffer a little bit from body issues, too, man.
Because I'm not, like, super ripped.
So that's why I'm always on a diet.
Like, tomorrow, I'm going on a four-day juicing cleanse.
I'm just going to drink a juice for four days.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
Had some donuts.
Had some donuts at the airport.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I eat like shit and I'm going to go on this four day.
bryan callen
And Wendy's.
brendan schaub
You ate Wendy's?
Yeah, I did.
First time I've had fast food in probably eight years.
unidentified
It's alright.
brendan schaub
It's alright.
bryan callen
I gave it a nod.
joe rogan
You're hungry and tired and you did some drinking this weekend?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did a little craziness?
brendan schaub
Just humanity.
joe rogan
Got a little crazy.
So when you say body issues, like you feel weird when you take your shirt off inside the octagon?
Like that kind of thing?
brendan schaub
No, not really inside the octagon.
Like when I'm out of camp, it's rare you see me with like my shirt off.
Which I'm always in good shape.
bryan callen
I would never wear clothes if I had your body.
brendan schaub
It's weird, right?
I wear cloth.
Listen, you talk to Ariane, I'm sure there's something she doesn't like on her bike.
Everyone suffers from it.
For me, though, it's just like when you're looked at as an elite athlete, I never want people to see me not in shape.
Which I am in shape, but I don't want people to see me out of my peak.
joe rogan
But you see a guy like Fedor always had a little bit of a gut.
brendan schaub
He just didn't give a fuck.
He was just like, whatever.
He had no ass, a gut, just balding, was like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Wasn't worried at all about the way he looked.
brendan schaub
I know, it's different, it's different, I know.
joe rogan
Don't you wish he could be like that?
brendan schaub
I guess, yeah.
joe rogan
Hell yeah, I do.
Do you think, like, maybe if you, like, thought the way he thinks?
I mean, is there a way to, like, emulate that sort of a mindset or program yourself to things like that?
bryan callen
It has to do culturally with what is considered manly.
brendan schaub
He also doesn't care.
Like, I care how I look.
I'm very vain.
I like fast cars, bad bitches, and I live on the beach.
He lives in Russia, wrestles grizzly beers, drinks fucking beer, and fucking eats potatoes, and has a gut hanging over his belt.
And probably fucking Gutrude has fucking hair hanging out of her armpits.
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
We're both not really a Russian name.
brendan schaub
We're very different.
unidentified
We're very different.
brendan schaub
I don't think it has anything to do with being successful or not.
I think some of the biggest stars I know, most successful people I know, are very self-conscious.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
Big time.
unidentified
In MMA? MMA, NFL, acting.
Please don't ever use acting with MMA and NFL. I'm saying stars, though.
brendan schaub
I'm saying stars.
joe rogan
I understand, but please, you hurt my soul.
bryan callen
Please, sir.
joe rogan
Put that together.
What athletes do you think in MMA are real self-conscious like that?
brendan schaub
Certain ones.
joe rogan
You don't want to talk about it?
unidentified
Nope.
Not at all.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you off air though.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, let's wrap this bitch up.
This is another fucking fun fight companion, man.
brendan schaub
Great, man.
bryan callen
Awesome.
joe rogan
I wanted to talk a little while at the end to alleviate some depression.
brendan schaub
For sure, man.
I was super down.
I was going to crash Brian's facade into the wall and not pay for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it didn't.
I mean, it's not surprising, but it kind of is anyway.
brendan schaub
You just don't want to see that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All right, folks.
When are we going to do this again?
When's the next one?
brendan schaub
You tell us.
joe rogan
Let's find out right now.
We'll find out.
brendan schaub
When's the next one?
And will you bring your boy Joey Diaz?
joe rogan
I would try.
unidentified
I love that, man.
brendan schaub
I want to laugh.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz.
brendan schaub
Although you guys make me laugh.
joe rogan
Let's find out what the schedule is.
brendan schaub
Real quick, Brian had a nose job, everybody.
joe rogan
Wednesday.
Hey, guys.
Wednesday, July 16th.
Who's where?
Where are you guys at?
unidentified
I'm here.
joe rogan
Are you here?
brendan schaub
You bet your ass I'm here.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Donald Cerrone, Jim Miller.
Ooh!
brendan schaub
That's the next one.
joe rogan
And it's a Wednesday night.
So Wednesday.
brendan schaub
No one has shit to do.
joe rogan
July 16th.
I'm going to try real hard to get Joey Diaz in here.
Evan Dunham and Edson Barboza.
unidentified
Damn, that's a good fight.
joe rogan
Also in that fight.
Yeah.
unidentified
Good fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Should be very exciting.
So, alright, you dirty freaks, we'll see you then.
Until then, Brian Callen on Twitter, B-R-Y-A-N-C-A-L-L-E-N-N, Brendan Shaw, that's S-C-H-A-U-B, a.k.a.
Big Brown.
Can you get Big Brown on Twitter?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Just try to find Big Brown, man.
unidentified
That's true.
brendan schaub
Please stop sending me dick pics.
joe rogan
How many people send you dick pics?
brendan schaub
I'll probably get eight a week.
That's how you know you made it.
That's how you know you made it.
Do I check them out?
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Come see me in West Palm.
joe rogan
We will see you with a real podcast tomorrow.
Until then, much love and big kiss.
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