May 7, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Yeah. | |
| Eventually, that's what it'll be. | ||
| But right now, it's coffee. | ||
| This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast... | ||
| I fucking said it. | ||
| I said my own name. | ||
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| Unless you really have to. | ||
| Like someone asks you what your name is. | ||
| And you go, my name's Joe Rogan. | ||
| Then, it's okay. | ||
| But if you say it... | ||
| I'm just trying to not be as douchey as possible, folks. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's very hard. | ||
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Yes. | |
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Yes. | |
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| I call myself a bitch. | ||
| I call everybody a bitch. | ||
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What is it? | |
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| Why fuck around? | ||
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Tim Kennedy, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I've been wanting to talk to you for a while, dude. | ||
| You're an interesting cat. | ||
| You've been around the world. | ||
| You're saying that you're laughing like you're not. | ||
| I'm not interesting, but I had wanted to talk to you in the octagon for a really long time. | ||
| It took a while. | ||
| It did take a long time. | ||
| It took a while. | ||
| 12 years as a pro to finally get a little Joe interview. | ||
| Yeah, but the interview was... | ||
| You couldn't ask for a better environment to do that first interview. | ||
| When the UFC fight for the troops, to do it, and to do it after that spectacular knockout. | ||
| That was intense, man. | ||
| It wasn't just intense because you won. | ||
| What was really intense for me is, and I've always experienced this in these fights for the troops. | ||
| First of all, it's great to be able to go to them and put on these fights and have them in these hangers and these tight environments. | ||
| Just the appreciation and the respect that everybody has for the fighters is really intense. | ||
| You, first of all, you being a veteran and you being unabashed in your love for soldiers and your respect for your fellow military members, when you got on top of that cage and after, you know, they were cheering and you were yelling out to all those people that you loved them. | ||
| I mean, this is all off camera, man. | ||
| We'd cut to commercial. | ||
| And you're on top of the cage and you're just yelling at all those people, letting them know that you love them. | ||
| That's some intense, intense shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Overwhelming, emotional, near shutdown. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm walking out to the cage and I see this dude. | ||
| He flies for the 160th, which is like the Special Forces wing of aviation. | ||
| The last time I saw that dude was I was handing him my shot buddy. | ||
| I'm like, it's a big thing in the Special Forces community. | ||
| We're real tight. | ||
| I'm handing him my brother that has bullet holes in him, and I'm like, I don't want to let him go. | ||
| And he's like, hey, I got this. | ||
| This is what I do. | ||
| You go do what you're supposed to do and get back to work. | ||
| That was the last time I saw this dude. | ||
| Was handing him my buddy on a medevac. | ||
| Then I'm walking out of the cage and I was like, holy shit, there is that dude from the 160th that I handed my shot buddy to. | ||
| Totally overwhelming. | ||
| Then I have to go in there and fight. | ||
| And then, you know, 5th Special Forces Group is co-located there, so I saw a bunch of dudes from the Green Beret Regiment. | ||
| Yeah, it was entirely too much emotion. | ||
| I just wanted to, like, curl up and cry. | ||
| Yeah, it's a completely different kind of... | ||
| There's you on top of the cage up there in that photo. | ||
| That's just an intense, intense picture. | ||
| That picture should be framed and on your wall somewhere, because that is one of the greatest pictures I've ever seen. | ||
| If you could cut me out and just have the dudes... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You need to be in there for reference. | ||
| But that's your attitude, what you just said, cut me out and leave the dudes. | ||
| That really is your attitude. | ||
| You were saying while you were up there that my job in here is easy, what you guys do. | ||
| You guys are my heroes. | ||
| You have good memory. | ||
| Yeah, I remember everything. | ||
| That's disturbing. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| Don't get in a fight with Joe Rogan verbally. | ||
| It does not go well for you. | ||
| I remember things. | ||
| Well, I remember important things, and that was a deep moment. | ||
| I wrote a thing a long time ago about one of the fights for the troops about the national anthem, and I recorded it. | ||
| I filmed it on my phone when someone was singing the national anthem, and you turn around, and I was filming the crowd while it was all going on, And the feeling in the air, the electricity in the air of hearing the national anthem while you're around active duty soldiers who are in a war currently, | ||
| have had friends, had loved ones die, have experienced firefights, have been there, have come back, and now they're here in time off, getting to enjoy a fight, and everyone's standing up, and there's electricity. | ||
| Electricity in the air, man. | ||
| Your fucking hairs are standing up on your back. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| It's a totally different experience. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| I don't understand the whole realm outside of what you can physically see, but there's no way to describe moments like that Where you're surrounded by these heroes, these selfless freaking superstars of humanity. | ||
| And, you know, they bleed in every sense of the word for their country. | ||
| And then the national anthem come on, or the flag goes up, and you see them all. | ||
| And there's this energy there that just can't be described. | ||
| It can only be experienced. | ||
| It's surreal. | ||
| You know, that's the really intense aspect of it, is that there's a lot of resistance and blowback towards war and towards the military-industrial complex and towards... | ||
| Both of which are horrible. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| What's important is... | ||
| Everybody wants everything to be black and white. | ||
| And there's no black and white in this world. | ||
| There's this gigantic spectrum of shades. | ||
| And there's positive and there's negative. | ||
| There's good and there's bad. | ||
| But there are real heroes in the world. | ||
| Pat Tillman is a perfect example of a guy who is a real hero, in my opinion. | ||
| A guy who saw what was going on and said, you know what, fuck this NFL career. | ||
| I don't need millions of dollars. | ||
| What I need to do is do what's right, and I need to fight for my country. | ||
| He goes over there, and then when he gets there... | ||
| He experiences chaos and nonsense, and he's super vocal about it, as is his brother. | ||
| And that's, to me, a perfect example of that there is no black and white. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| There's real heroes. | ||
| There's people that have heroic intent, and there's people that have... | ||
| Heroic ideals, and they really do love and respect the idea of freedom, but they get thrust into a situation where everything is completely out of control and chaotic, and a guy like Pat Tillman was very vocal about it. | ||
| And well-spoken. | ||
| Very well-spoken, as is his brother. | ||
| It's a very intense thing. | ||
| When people are anti-war, it's fashionable to be anti-war. | ||
| It's a thing that a lot of people put on like an outfit. | ||
| They just sort of jump into the sentiment that we shouldn't have a military and we shouldn't have war. | ||
| The real problem is human beings are still animals in a lot of respects, a lot of senses. | ||
| And probably nobody knows that more than a guy like you who's been there. | ||
| War is horrible. | ||
| I hate war. | ||
| I am anti-war. | ||
| I've been into my war my whole entire life with, you know, uncles that fought in World War II or in Vietnam, you know, grandparents that fought in World War II. | ||
| Um, but with that Position of being anti-war, I don't think you should be able to be anti-war unless you understand at a fundamental level how awful and horrible war is not. | ||
| That doesn't mean that you have to go and serve, but, um, it's necessary. | ||
| You know, it's, um, I wouldn't wish what I've seen in my life on my worst enemy. | ||
| There's no way I'd want... | ||
| The people I hate to have to see what a little girl looks like once she's had acid throw on her because she tried to go to school. | ||
| I want that on my worst enemy. | ||
| But there's people that do those things. | ||
| There's people that go and kidnap 300 girls in school this week because they were going to school. | ||
| Those people have to answer to somebody and the only people they would answer to are guys like me or guys that are better than me that are still doing it. | ||
| And it's a necessary evil. | ||
| You fight fire with fire. | ||
| You fight evil with just a more violent, better version of evil. | ||
| And that's a crazy way to look at the world. | ||
| But in a lot of respects, there's no other options. | ||
| In some situations, there are no other options unless you let evil overwhelm an area or evil overwhelm a group of innocent people. | ||
| There's almost no options. | ||
| And to deny the existence of evil is... | ||
| Completely fucking ridiculous. | ||
| Especially if you just look at human history. | ||
| Look at human history from recorded times, from the beginning when people started writing things down, people always did awful shit if they could get away with it. | ||
| To get away with it, for evil to prevail, all it takes is for Goodman to do nothing, right? | ||
| Yes, great quote. | ||
| You just have to do something, even if it's horrible. | ||
| How long were you over there for? | ||
| I was eight years active duty Special Forces and now it's been three years as a National Guardsman in Special Forces. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 34. So, wow. | ||
| So you were really young. | ||
| So you're essentially like, you know, college age. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was in grad school when I enlisted. | ||
| And how old were you then? | ||
| I was 22. Wow. | ||
| So you saw what was going on and you just decided that this was calling you. | ||
| It was a balance. | ||
| It was like the perfect storm for me to go in. | ||
| I was... | ||
| I was kind of—this was before—we'll call it pro. | ||
| I was a pro MMA fighter, and I had five fights. | ||
| I was four and one. | ||
| I just won this ECC 50 big eight-man tournament. | ||
| Jason Miller, Dennis Kang, myself were all in it, and I was the one that won it. | ||
| So I had good promise. | ||
| I was a douchebag. | ||
| I was a little idiot. | ||
| In San Luis Obispo, with the mecca of fighting at the time, worrying about what jeans I was going to wear to the next party. | ||
| With my next winnings from this fight, I'm going to go buy something stupid. | ||
| Did you have jeans that were already ripped? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Can I pay way too much for really crappy jeans that looks cool? | ||
| Anyways, so making a lot of poor decisions and, you know, 9-11 happened and it was just one of those instances that's godsend. | ||
| Divine intervention, maybe, where you get this existential perspective of how much of an idiot you are. | ||
| And that's what I had. | ||
| I was like, God, I am really one of the worst people on the planet. | ||
| You know, not being a productive contributing member to society in any way, just being a succubus of life. | ||
| So I walked down after 9-11 to the recruiter's office and I wish I could just knock on the door but that wasn't the issue. | ||
| The issue was that there was like a thousand other dudes lying ahead of me that all wanted to do the same thing. | ||
| Just to give you a testament about how amazing the backbone of our country still is. | ||
| What was that feeling like when you showed up and you see a thousand other people that are... | ||
| Wrapping around the supermarket. | ||
| That have the same mentality. | ||
| Humbling. | ||
| Again, I'm still a little fucktard. | ||
| I was thinking, I'm going to go enlist. | ||
| When I get down there, I was like, man, I should have been here like five hours ago. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was humbling is what it was to see all these dudes ahead of you. | ||
| That, um, their instant reaction, you know, it wasn't a little retrospective perspective of like what you're doing in your life. | ||
| It was like, fuck this. | ||
| Those dudes just flew planes into our buildings. | ||
| I'm going, you know, that's, that's what they were where I was a little bit late. | ||
| So I think just the response is humbling. | ||
| Yeah, it's very tricky because the people that flew the planes are already dead, right? | ||
| But the idea that there's a faction of the world that's planning things along these lines and it's willing to go to such extreme lengths When you see shit like that happen in the world and you see it from a perspective of an outsider versus seeing it from a perspective of someone who's actually there and in the military, what is the difference? | ||
| What is the feeling like? | ||
| Once you became active duty, once you're there, what is the difference in your perspective? | ||
| You know, at 9-11, I think everybody remembers exactly where they were. | ||
| You know, I'm no different. | ||
| I remember the exact place that I was and exactly what I was doing. | ||
| You know, and I remember my response being anger. | ||
| You know, like, I wanted to lash out in revenge. | ||
| I don't have that in... | ||
| That's not in me anymore. | ||
| You know, I never respond that way anymore. | ||
| When I see things happen... | ||
| I almost have this cold, calculated response. | ||
| I hear about something happening, and I don't want to go over with a baseball bat and smash a bunch of dudes' heads in like I did 12 years ago. | ||
| Now it's like when Bin Laden was killed. | ||
| I spent some prime years of my life in mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for that idiot. | ||
| And then Navy SEALs go in and get him, and I was like, dang it, I missed it. | ||
| You know, I was kind of sad. | ||
| I wasn't mad. | ||
| I wasn't angry. | ||
| I didn't want to be there. | ||
| I didn't want to shoot him myself, but I was like, oh, man. | ||
| You didn't want to shoot him yourself? | ||
| Not that I would love to have shot him myself, but I wasn't mad that I didn't get to, which was like my response, you know, 11, 12 years ago. | ||
| Just calculated, like, ah. | ||
| That whole event was one of the biggest, like, what do you think really happened conspiracies online. | ||
| When they didn't show the body and they threw it in the ocean and the whole idea that he was going to be a martyr, like, that was so perplexing to me. | ||
| The whole thing was so completely perplexing to me. | ||
| Like, why wouldn't you just show his body? | ||
| Like, can't we take a look? | ||
| The whole world wants to see the bad guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Historically, through the course of this war, we've done it on numerous instances, whether it's Saddam hanging or Zarqawi in his blown up body. | ||
| Some I was involved with, some I wasn't. | ||
| It's been very clear, the response by the fanatic side when they see the body. | ||
| Maybe that person becomes a martyr and then he's idolized for years. | ||
| Or maybe it just incites an immediate riot. | ||
| So, yeah, it sucks. | ||
| We want to have that justice feeling of, like, the conclusion, you know, like, the finality of, like, ah, there's bin Laden. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Look at that pointy beard of his. | ||
| That's definitely him. | ||
| All right, we can sleep at night. | ||
| You know, the boogeyman bin Laden's not under the bed. | ||
| But had they done that, the repercussions would have been so much more severe with riots and possibly, you know, a longstanding martyrdom. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I know what you're saying. | ||
| Shades of gray, like you said. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm selfish. | ||
| I want to see the dead body. | ||
| And plus, I don't totally believe everything they say. | ||
| So, you know, when you talk to high-ranking military guys that say, that guy's been dead forever. | ||
| He's been dead a long time ago. | ||
| That was another part of the conspiracy. | ||
| Guys that were, you know, in the know were saying, I think that guy was dead already. | ||
| There's no way that he's still alive, because we've probably killed him like 10 times now. | ||
| So whether this was the final version of him or the 10th, it's irrelevant. | ||
| All versions of Bin Laden are dead. | ||
| Yeah, he's not Jason. | ||
| He's not going to pop up out of the ocean. | ||
| The 11th time. | ||
| Yeah, swim to shore. | ||
| I tricked you, bitch. | ||
| I'm going to start from scratch. | ||
| The idea is terrifying to us. | ||
| Fanatical religious fundamentalists that are willing to die is terrifying for a good reason. | ||
| It's one of the worst aspects of human beings is that we can talk people into believing in some completely ridiculous shit and talk them into believing in so much so that they're willing to kill themselves. | ||
| The other problem with human beings is that Once a guy gets that far, once a human, man, woman, whatever, is that far gone, how do you bring him back? | ||
| You don't. | ||
| I have a friend who has adopted a child. | ||
| And the kid was, I think she was probably three when they adopted her. | ||
| And she's about six now. | ||
| And the poor kid's a mess. | ||
| You know, and they're really worried. | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| She experienced a lot of abuse before they ever got to her. | ||
| And now she's six years old and they're just trying to wrangle her and educate her and give her love. | ||
| But they're like, God damn, if we just got there sooner. | ||
| That's their idea. | ||
| You're talking about three years old. | ||
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| You know, get some guy who's fucking 30 and he's a la Wakba all day, you know, bowing and ready to be a martyr. | ||
| It's fucking impossible to change the course of that sort of ideology. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have no idea how. | ||
| You're smart. | ||
| Ecstasy, mushrooms, isolation, reprogramming, you know, some of that. | ||
| My solution was way easier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I had infinitely more repercussions. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know what? | ||
| We're all gonna live, we're all gonna die, and you gotta pull weeds out of a garden sometimes. | ||
| That's just the reality of the situation. | ||
| The idea of equating a human being like a weed is pretty gross, but it's just a bad analogy. | ||
| We're not all flowers. | ||
| I don't think you're a flower. | ||
| No, I don't think I'm a flower. | ||
| I'm a vegetable. | ||
| Some sort of a... | ||
| I'm an artichoke. | ||
| I have layers. | ||
| Artichokes are great. | ||
| I love artichokes. | ||
| I'm like a pineapple. | ||
| I'm rough on the outside, but inside I'm delicious. | ||
| But the core is really hard as well. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's elements to you. | ||
| Deep inside, I'm very fibrous. | ||
| That's a good metaphor. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| So, you were over there, and you continued your mixed martial arts training while you were over there as well? | ||
| Yeah, Special Forces as a whole, like, there's the... | ||
| Expectation that all of us are just good fighters. | ||
| Like, we're just born badasses. | ||
| Obviously, this is not the case, right? | ||
| Nobody is. | ||
| So, we train. | ||
| You know, we shoot all day long, and morning and night, we fight. | ||
| You know, usually PT is some form of jiu-jitsu, boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, hand-to-hand combat, small arms. | ||
| And then evening is more recreational, you know, after you get back from the range. | ||
| So, you get up, you work out. | ||
| Then you go to the range and shoot for three, four hours, go back, clean the guns, and then your evening is usually on the mat. | ||
| That's Monday through Thursday. | ||
| Fridays, you're trying to fix whatever you broke during the week. | ||
| That's the week. | ||
| So do you guys, when they set up training for you, whether it's physical martial arts training or fitness training, is there instructors who set a program for you? | ||
| How does it work? | ||
| So, sometimes you bring in experts. | ||
| You know, Hoist Gracie came, you know, and trained us countless times. | ||
| You know, Greg Jackson comes out still. | ||
| You know, guys like Greg Thompson, you know, he's a Hoist Black Belt. | ||
| He's there permanently. | ||
| So, there's permanent fixtures at the Special Forces installations that train guys on a daily basis, and they have relationships to bring in experts. | ||
| Obviously, What you do in a house once you blow a door in when you're going inside on a kill-capture mission is different than you're going to do in the cage. | ||
| So it has to be guys that can adapt whatever they're teaching or know what their limitations are. | ||
| Greg Jackson doesn't go in there and try to teach knife fighting. | ||
| He knows what his left and right limits are, but he's one of the best, so he comes in and gives the best instruction that he can to try to provide tools for guys to be better at what they do. | ||
| You train a lot down there in Albuquerque. | ||
| I do, yeah. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy. | ||
| He is a cool cat. | ||
| He's a one-of-a-kind. | ||
| Very unique dude. | ||
| Like, really humble. | ||
| Like, really humble. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of people that pretend to be humble, but if you... | ||
| To a fault. | ||
| You pick away at them, and you find some bullshit that's just putting on a little humble mask. | ||
| No, he's humble to a fault. | ||
| To a fault? | ||
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| How so? | ||
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Um... | |
| He and Winklejohn both, I say humble to a fault, where they have... | ||
| They have all these things to give. | ||
| They're the best that there has ever been on coaching staff. | ||
| They've trained more champions. | ||
| They have the best stable of fighters on the planet, arguably. | ||
| And they're still training guys. | ||
| It's not by design. | ||
| This is just out of almost necessity. | ||
| This scary staff... | ||
| No, it's not even scary. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Out of a barn. | ||
| Barn, warehouse, industrial, commercial... | ||
| Ghetto building, where I can walk out the door and score some meth as fast as I can come inside and get around with Jon Jones. | ||
| Those are my options. | ||
| Front door parking lot, get some meth, come in. | ||
| Is that bad a neighborhood? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All you ever see is the outside, you know? | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| Jackson Winklejohn, like, oh yeah. | ||
| Driving down Central, it's like, you can count anywhere from four to eight transvestites any given morning. | ||
| Nice variety. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a famous one named Grace. | ||
| She's this beautiful black girl that wears this huge wig and she's like four or five inches taller than I am and probably 50 pounds bigger than I am. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's, you know, he... | ||
| Bring her in. | ||
| I know. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
| She's scary. | ||
| Bring her in. | ||
| And every corner is like, oh, there's that drug dealer, there's this drug dealer, and then you're like... | ||
| Wait, is that the guy from Breaking Bad? | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| Is he really selling meth? | ||
| And then the irony is there. | ||
| No, that is not the guy from Breaking Bad, but he's really selling meth and he's dressed like the guy from Breaking Bad. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that is what it's like there. | ||
| Albuquerque's a weird spot. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's kooky. | ||
| Why do they stay? | ||
| It's just because the gym's there and good stable of tough guys there. | ||
| I mean, I would love it if Mike Winkerjohn and Greg Jackson, you know, let's say we're in Austin, Texas, you know, or LA or, you know, San Luis Obispo, but they're in Albuquerque, New Mexico. | ||
| So that's where I go. | ||
| If they're in Idaho, that's where I would go, but that's where they are. | ||
| You train in Austin during your time in between fights. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How do you plan out? | ||
| How many weeks do you give yourself when you go to Albuquerque? | ||
| I get six weeks. | ||
| Six good weeks in Albuquerque. | ||
| So, you know, hopefully you'll get ten week heads up to your fight. | ||
| So then I have four weeks to start doing pre-fight camp development, like strength, speed, you know, explosion. | ||
| Type physical stuff, working on specific techniques, and then move to Albuquerque for the six weeks for the final fight camp. | ||
| You trained at a great spot in Austin, too. | ||
| I was down there really recently, and I met the owner of that facility. | ||
| What's that guy's name? | ||
| Donald Parks and Paulio Brandau. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great facility. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, really nice guys too. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so you do just all your most in-between fight preparation there. | ||
| Good group of fighters out there as well. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Eastside Austin Elite. | ||
| Justin Lake was my strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| He's like my brother on a whole bunch of different levels. | ||
| He married my wife's sister. | ||
| We used to go to college together. | ||
| We used to hang out with the same girls together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then we enlisted together, he went to Special Forces, went to 7th Group together, went to Afghanistan together, and then he married my sister-in-law. | ||
| He might be stalking you. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I hope not, because he's like 200 pounds, snatches 250 pounds, deadlifts 500 pounds. | ||
| It would be a bad thing if he was stalking me. | ||
| Is he fighting? | ||
| Does he do MMA? No. | ||
| Just trains? | ||
| Just trains. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those dudes that are scary that just train. | ||
| Please don't ever get mad at me and tear my limbs off and beat me to them. | ||
| How did you get hooked up with Jackson and Winklejohn? | ||
| When I lost the Strikeforce title to Jacare, it was a really close fight. | ||
| Very close fight. | ||
| I thought you won. | ||
| I thought I did too, but it was close and there were just like small adjustments I needed to make and adjustments that I wasn't making on my own. | ||
| I needed somebody that was smarter than me to tell me what those were and how to prepare for them. | ||
| So since then, I'm, what, 7-1 since I went there? | ||
| Yeah, Jackson's an interesting guy in that he didn't have any professional MMA fights, but he's a virtuoso. | ||
| I mean, he really is. | ||
| I've had long conversations with him about strategy. | ||
| Weird shit about music, about how he listens to symphonies and compares the rhythm of symphonies to the changing rhythm of a fight. | ||
| He looks at everything as strategy. | ||
| Whether it's like he's playing Lemmings, like the old school Lemmings. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I don't even know what that is. | ||
| Oh, it's a video game where you move Lemmings to certain portions of the map to try to achieve some stupid engineering goal. | ||
| It's a very archaic 16-bit game from almost Commodore 64 type things. | ||
| He still plays stat. | ||
| Not often, but he's like, you know, everything has strategy. | ||
| Whether it's chess or backgammon, or if he's playing Monopoly with a family. | ||
| It's like, everything's about strategy. | ||
| He had a conversation with my friend Ari. | ||
| My friend Ari Shafir has a podcast called Skeptic Tank. | ||
| And Ari's a really smart dude. | ||
| And him and Greg Jackson, Greg was his guest. | ||
| And Greg was picking his brain about the comparisons. | ||
| He was trying to figure out how one crafts a piece of comedy and tries to attack an audience with it. | ||
| Like how you get an idea past the boundaries of someone's consciousness. | ||
| Can that be adaptive? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're talking to this audience, you already have kind of the... | ||
| The template of what you're trying to get to them. | ||
| But then their responsiveness, can it change? | ||
| I envision that is exactly something that Greg would do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fascinating to listen to his mind because I don't know anybody like him. | ||
| It's a very unique sort of a mindset. | ||
| And then Winklejohn, who's a great striking coach, was a great kickboxer himself. | ||
| He's an interesting guy too. | ||
| Yeah, he's like the yin to the yang with Greg. | ||
| He's a linear thinker. | ||
| He's... | ||
| He knows what, like where Greg wants you to paint the best version of yourself. | ||
| Winklejohn doesn't have that kind of responsive approach to you. | ||
| He knows what you need to do to be better. | ||
| You know, and he says, this is what you should do to be better. | ||
| And this is what we're going to drill it relentlessly until you are. | ||
| You know, Greg's like, alright, I want to see you develop this. | ||
| Let me give you some tools so you can implement this in your fighting style and it's going to be adaptive to every single different athlete that he has. | ||
| Where Winklejohn's like, no, this is what you need to do and this is how we're going to do it. | ||
| You're like, yes sir, please don't hurt me. | ||
| What eye do I look at? | ||
| What eye do I look at? | ||
| For folks who don't know, he lost an eye in training. | ||
| Someone, they threw a kick and the toenail missed the pad and caught his eyeball, which is the first I've ever heard of that happening, ever. | ||
| I've heard of guys getting scratched badly in training from sparring, but never from holding pads. | ||
| He wears safety glasses every time he holds now. | ||
| He has one eye. | ||
| Can you see anything out of that other eye? | ||
| No, definitely not. | ||
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| No, the eye like poured out of his face. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I was like, that was my eye. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Trim your toenails, bitches. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| Dude, I get on the mat, fingernails and toenails and hygiene, like, no, I'm not rolling with you. | ||
| Go clean yourself and trim that stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I got one of the nastiest infections once from a guy peeling my hooks off, and he had these giant fingernails. | ||
| I brought it out to the class. | ||
| I'm like, come here, folks. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| You can't have this. | ||
| That's good to go. | ||
| You're going to fuck everybody. | ||
| It's not going to make you a better fighter. | ||
| You can't have this. | ||
| I have toenail clippers in my jujitsu bag. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| It's like gi, belt, headgear, mouthpiece, toenail clippers. | ||
| And file them bitches, too. | ||
| Cut them, and then there's rough edges. | ||
| File those bitches down. | ||
| Yeah, when you see guys about to go into the cage, and Herb Dean would look at their nails, and they bite them. | ||
| I'm like, no! | ||
| This is not the time for that. | ||
| You don't bite them down now. | ||
| You should have done that already. | ||
| Then you come home, and your wife's like, why do you have scratches all over you? | ||
| You're like, I fight for a living. | ||
| Why do you think I have scratches on me? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Golly! | ||
| Yeah, that's hilarious. | ||
| Why are they on your back? | ||
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Because someone was fucking scratching my back! | |
| I didn't want them to! | ||
| The moan scratches. | ||
| Oh, Tim. | ||
| Oh, more. | ||
| More. | ||
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| Is there a solution for fucking eye pokes? | ||
| Yeah, we change the gloves. | ||
| What should be done? | ||
| Heaven forbid we ever say that anything was done better in Pride. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Their gloves are better. | ||
| They're better, right? | ||
| They're better. | ||
| They're curved more? | ||
| They're curved. | ||
| How many guys right now do you see with broken hands? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| It's like tons of them. | ||
| So we have this padding on the... | ||
| Two-thirds of our hands, right? | ||
| Well, that's not where we break our hands. | ||
| We break our hands in metal carpels in the back of the wrist, or just above the wrist, the bottom of your hand. | ||
| Pride gloves had padding there, which provided support. | ||
| So it's a lot harder to break your hands. | ||
| Also, the padding was curved. | ||
| So you actually had to straighten your... | ||
| I'm a grappler, obviously. | ||
| I like to grapple. | ||
| So as a grappler, I could complain that I want to have the total... | ||
| Use of my extremities. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No gloves would be better for most grapplers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You could slide things in better. | ||
| With that said, I don't want to get poked in the eye. | ||
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| So, the pride gloves. | ||
| That's how we make them better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We own pride. | ||
| The UFC owns pride. | ||
| Just take their gloves and just take the word pride off of it and then put those three letters on there. | ||
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| Yeah, they brought over some new glove, and they're like, here's the new glove. | ||
| And I put it on, and I was like, what the fuck is the difference? | ||
| It's just slightly curved. | ||
| Like, these bitches should be, like, really curved. | ||
| Like, whereas, if you want to do that, it's an effort. | ||
| And when you relax, it goes right back to that. | ||
| But the effort is for 15 to 25 minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I'm sure my hand is strong enough to go like that when I need it to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For 15 to 25 minutes. | ||
| Well, I mean, as long as you can do it in certain situations. | ||
| Like, you know, you're trying to apply a choke or something, but... | ||
| It's very disheartening to me, all the people that are having detached retinas and Alan Belcher's eyes are fucked up. | ||
| Bisping, yeah. | ||
| Bisping's eyes are all fucked up. | ||
| I can't look at him in the eye. | ||
| I was just like... | ||
| Well, he's got oil in his eye. | ||
| They inject oil in his eye, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know what he can see out of it or what it looks like. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's diminished in some respect. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Yeah, it's so fucking weird. | ||
| And he's had a couple eye surgeries, right? | ||
| Bisping's had more than one eye surgery. | ||
| It's fucking crazy, man. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| I like my eyes. | ||
| I don't want them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need them. | ||
| Is it possible to do something where the fingers aren't exposed? | ||
| Or you chop them off? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm talking about a covering. | ||
| What I was thinking of was a lambskin sort of a covering. | ||
| Something that's not thick, but maybe a band around the tips where you don't really do this ever anyway. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When do you do that? | ||
| Body lock takedown stuff. | ||
| You grab like this? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, but you do this. | ||
| You still have this or this. | ||
| But wouldn't you still have that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, you mostly do this, right? | ||
| Let's design it. | ||
| Okay, well, I'm saying, for folks who are listening, there's a thing called a gable grip. | ||
| And the way a gable grip works is... | ||
| Picture your hand if you're going to karate chop someone and your thumb was pressed tight against the side of your hand. | ||
| Then have your hands in a cross position, where one's sideways and one is sitting straight up. | ||
| And then crush down with your hands, with your fingertips. | ||
| That would be what a gable grip is like. | ||
| And that is the majority of wrestling, of grabbing, when you cinch around the waist, that's most of the way you grab. | ||
| The other way would be an S-grip, which is you would, you know, make like a hook. | ||
| 69 of your fingers. | ||
| Yeah, 69. That's a yin and yang if you're more uncouth or couth. | ||
| And you grab like that, but you never, very rarely do you do this. | ||
| Very rarely do you let your fingers intersect with each other. | ||
| So they don't have to be free like that. | ||
| And when they're free, that's when fingers go in eyeballs, you know? | ||
| I thought maybe like maybe there could be some sort of a flexible rounded covering which would eliminate pokes. | ||
| Seems like they've had to have tried it, you know. | ||
| I don't think they have. | ||
| Well, let's give it a whirl. | ||
| It's amazing to me how things just stay stagnant when they're retarded. | ||
| Like when they don't make any sense like the 12 to 6 elbow. | ||
| God, I love those. | ||
| Why can't we do those? | ||
| They should be in. | ||
| Knees to the head on the ground. | ||
| Were you telling me you can kick someone in the head with your shin? | ||
| But you can't drop an elbow down your head. | ||
| Someone has never been kicked in the head with a shin. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| That's the only reason why you would make that rule. | ||
| Can't we thank John McCain for this one? | ||
| Wasn't it that era? | ||
| It was that era. | ||
| According to John McCarthy, who was there when it was all going on, John McCarthy, famous referee, the gold standard. | ||
| Love that guy. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| Big John told me that they were having this meeting with the Athletic Commission, and they had seen karate-breaking demonstrations on ESPN at 2 o'clock in the morning. | ||
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| And the boards shatter and everything. | ||
| Well, they said you can't do that move because that move could kill someone. | ||
| Yeah, if you can break bricks, you can obviously break somebody's neck. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And just blow their scalp. | ||
| So that is the real reason why the 12 to 6 elbow is illegal. | ||
| But arguably, this elbow is stronger. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| It's got more torque to it. | ||
| It's a more natural movement of the body. | ||
| This is an awkward movement in comparison. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean the... | ||
| Do you remember Cobra Kai? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, Daniel's son watched those guys breaking boards. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough to argue with that kind of logic. | ||
| But that is the logic that literally is complete pure ignorance. | ||
| If you asked mixed martial arts competitors, trainers, fighters, people in the know, and asked them what should be illegal. | ||
| The 12-6 elbow is not going to be on that list. | ||
| Nowhere near. | ||
| It's a fine technique. | ||
| It's a good technique. | ||
| It's excellent. | ||
| As are knees on the ground. | ||
| I think knees on the ground... | ||
| It could be... | ||
| If someone wanted to have some sort of a compromise, maybe it would be knees on the ground when you're not pressed up against the cage. | ||
| That could be a possibility. | ||
| The idea being that... | ||
| The knees to the head on the ground would be problematic against the cage because a guy couldn't move. | ||
| And that was one of the good things about pride was the ropes. | ||
| If soccer kicks and all those things, you can kind of scoot your head under the ropes to get away from things. | ||
| You're not contained by your environment to the point where you would suffer a damaging blow that you could have avoided by your own power. | ||
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| Outside of like... | ||
| The north-south, you know, 69 position for knees to the head on the ground. | ||
| That's the only position I could think, you know, like, obviously the limitation is you still can't strike to the top of the head or the back of the head with a knee. | ||
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| And that, under that premise, then it doesn't really matter where you need somebody from because you can't hurt them any worse than you could in any other way with any other strike from any other position. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, and also, I don't like this thing that guys are doing where they drop one hand down to avoid being kneed in the head, and they pick it up and they drop it down. | ||
| Like, oh, let's gameplay this. | ||
| Yeah, the gameplay. | ||
| Oh, I'm down, I'm down, I'm down. | ||
| Don't need me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm up. | ||
| Well, it's very, very weird. | ||
| It's a weird gray area that I think needs to be sat down. | ||
| And then, of course, there's the scoring system, which is adopted from boxing, this game. | ||
| 10-point must scoring system, which is just terrible. | ||
| And the implementation of it is even more terrible because very few 10-8 rounds get scored. | ||
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| Rarely. | ||
| There's 10-9 rounds that are squeakers, right? | ||
| Like maybe one of your rounds with Jacare might have been a 10-9 round. | ||
| And then there's 10-9 rounds where a guy just gets fucking mollywhopped. | ||
| Dropped two, three times. | ||
| And it's still a 10-9 round. | ||
| Like, how is that possible? | ||
| It's a terrible system. | ||
| And I don't know if you ever saw Doc Hamilton's scoring system? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a half point scoring system, which is much better. | ||
| Way better. | ||
| Way better. | ||
| I would want Doc Hamilton's and to know what the scores are every round. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Every other fucking game. | ||
| Whether it's football, basketball, everything else. | ||
| I think it should be that way in boxing, too. | ||
| So it would discourage shitty judges from continuing their shittiness. | ||
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| And shitty fighters from continuing their shittiness. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The only real worry would be that a guy would be so far ahead that he would run in the last round. | ||
| He's up four rounds. | ||
| John Jones moving into the fifth round against Glover. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You know, he's like, alright, I have this. | ||
| But a guy like John wouldn't do that anyway. | ||
| Neither would I, you know? | ||
| Yeah, the great fighters would still fight the same way. | ||
| And not only that, the other guy is going to get more desperate, so it'll make it even more exciting because he's going to have to. | ||
| And if he doesn't, are you not trying to win? | ||
| You know you're not going to win a decision. | ||
| So either you just fucking throw caution to the wind and throw yourself in the line of fire, or why are you fighting? | ||
| Move on. | ||
| Yeah, move on. | ||
| Jon Jones is a fucking phenomenon, man. | ||
| That dude, as good as he has looked in the past, the fight against Glover was just sensational. | ||
| It was masterful. | ||
| It was something to behold. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| He's amazing in the gym. | ||
| He's so talented in every respect. | ||
| I've been doing jiu-jitsu forever. | ||
| And he's good. | ||
| He's really, really good. | ||
| And then stand-up is a whole different world. | ||
| His wrestling is just out of this world. | ||
| And then he goes on game day, on fight day, and he's better. | ||
| He improvises. | ||
| Dude, it's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, when I asked him about the elbows in tight, like fighting Glover against the cage like that, I knew, I just had a fucking feeling that he was improvising that. | ||
| I was like, is this something you planned out? | ||
| I was like, no, I just felt it. | ||
| He was winding up and I just felt like I could get away with that. | ||
| We were in fight camp at the exact same time. | ||
| I fought one week before him. | ||
| And he didn't drill those. | ||
| We're watching out for Glover's big overhand right, obviously. | ||
| We're looking for the two three-punch combos that he does in entrances. | ||
| Watching, of course, for Glover's wrestling. | ||
| He's a beast on top. | ||
| And then you watch the fight, and you're like... | ||
| He didn't do that stuff in fight camp. | ||
| He just, fight night, started improvising and destroying the still number two dude on the planet so decisively, it's disturbing. | ||
| He also added a new thing to his game that I think you're going to see a lot of people do. | ||
| That's that attacking the shoulder with that loose underhook. | ||
| When a guy has that relaxed underhook and you yank that arm up, I mean, he fucked Glover's shoulder up in the first round. | ||
| He never really recovered. | ||
| No, it changed the whole feeling of what Glover could do offensively from that point forward. | ||
| Yeah, it was mangled. | ||
| And now, you know, his labrum's torn. | ||
| He's going to have to get surgery. | ||
| Yeah, John's done a lot of things that a lot of people implement now. | ||
| The front leg sidekick to the thigh. | ||
| There was very few people doing that before him. | ||
| Everybody does it. | ||
| He's got to watch the finger pokes, though, man. | ||
| John is always doing that thing where he's extending his hands and, you know, guys trying to move forward, they wind up running into his fingers all the time. | ||
| I really do believe, I hate finger pokes, knees to the groin when guys get tired, cage grabbing, like... | ||
| Don't like it at all. | ||
| So he's a teammate. | ||
| I really do believe that he doesn't intend to hit them in the eyes. | ||
| He likes controlling range, and he has that open hand out to try to set that range and responsively counterattack. | ||
| And just like you said, guys, just run into it. | ||
| You know, he's not trying to poke him, but it's his fault because his hands open and his fingers are freaking pointing up there. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he's doing it intentionally either, but it is an issue. | ||
| It has to change. | ||
| It happened with Gustafson. | ||
| It happened with Glover. | ||
| You know, it's a very tricky situation because on one hand, it's a good tactic. | ||
| It's a good tactic to try to palm the forehead. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, it's a big one in Muay Thai, but in Muay Thai, of course, you're dealing with a fully enclosed glove. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know what the fuck they can do, but they really need to do something. | ||
| It needs to be a priority. | ||
| Pride gloves. | ||
| Pride gloves. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
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It's one of them. | |
| Yeah, man, you watch Pride, and I've been watching a lot of Pride lately, because at home, I... It's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking awesome. | ||
| It's just the greatest shit ever. | ||
| You know, it's really interesting to watch their evolution of the sport, too, when you watch Pride. | ||
| You watch, like, guys, and you compare them to the best guys of today, and you're like, wow, there's been a big fucking jump. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Big fucking jump. | ||
| I love Don Frye and his mustache. | ||
| Rest in peace mustache. | ||
| He shaved it off, I heard. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But Don Frye in Pride, compared to the light heavyweights now, just the disparity of skill and technical level, even athleticism. | ||
| And Don was a beast. | ||
| It's night and day. | ||
| Well, I was watching Vanderlei, the best of Vanderlei in Pride. | ||
| There was an episode in The Best of Pride where it was all Vanderlei's fights. | ||
| And, you know, Vanderlei's one of my favorite fighters to watch. | ||
| He's a wild man. | ||
| But, you know, you compare his skill level to, like, a guy like Jon Jones, where they're fighting at the same weight class. | ||
| You're like, that wouldn't even be a hard fight for Jon. | ||
| No, that'd be like a round. | ||
| Yeah, it would be, you can't touch me, and I'm going to keep hitting you, and you're going to not know what to do, and then either you're going to get choked unconscious or beat the fuck up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing how much of a jump there's been from 93 to 2014 as far as the evolution of martial arts. | ||
| I say it like it's a line that I keep saying, but it's true. | ||
| In those two decades, martial arts have evolved more than they have in the last 2,000 years. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's the longest time, man. | ||
| I grew up doing martial arts in the 80s, and nobody knew what the fuck worked. | ||
| It was all just guessing. | ||
| Everybody knew that if you were a really good wrestler, you could take guys down. | ||
| And if you were a really good boxer, you could probably punch better. | ||
| But what would work better? | ||
| Karate or judo? | ||
| What would work better? | ||
| Jiu-jitsu? | ||
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Nobody knew. | |
| Nobody fucking knew. | ||
| It was just all guessing. | ||
| Guys naming new moves every single card. | ||
| Like, oh, what are you going to call this one? | ||
| Like, how can we progress so quickly where every Saturday night we're like, oh, here's a new submission. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's just unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, the Peruvian necktie, you know, the Tony D'Souza, which you very rarely see. | ||
| I mean, C.B. Dalloway is probably the only... | ||
| I think... | ||
| I don't even know if D'Souza's ever pulled it off inside the octagon, but C.B. Dalloway's pulled it off. | ||
| There's a few guys that use that Peruvian necktie. | ||
| And then there's a few chokes that... | ||
| You see them once, and then you never see them again. | ||
| It's a fascinating thing where you're watching all this stuff evolve right in front of your eyes. | ||
| How do you manage your training when it comes to working on new techniques, adding new things to your arsenal, and then still just the conditioning, the sparring, the day-to-day drilling that you have to do? | ||
| How do you manage stuffing all that stuff in? | ||
| Time management, like a good athlete, you know, I do things in like ratios, percentages of, okay, I want to develop or give a certain percentage of time to getting better. | ||
| So I'm going to, you know, let's say I have 10 classes a week. | ||
| Just an easy round number. | ||
| In those 10 classes, you know, like I want... | ||
| I want two or three of them to be exclusively focused on drilling new techniques. | ||
| You know, then I want two or three of them to be maintenance of things that I do well and want to continue to do well. | ||
| And there's just grappling, like in a one-week 10 class setting and then you know two or three of them are hard grappling, rolling, sparring type sessions. | ||
| You know the other ones like maybe a floater of I'm teaching or I'm working with just you know a handful of black belts trying to create new stuff. | ||
| You know so like it's equally proportionate to staying good, challenging myself physically, and developing new technique and learning. | ||
| What about recovery? | ||
| Screw that stuff. | ||
| Recovery. | ||
| That's for pussies. | ||
| Yeah, it's for the birds. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Do you have a routine as far as deep tissue massage, cryotherapy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Yes to both of those. | ||
| All those? | ||
| Yeah, so Austin cryotherapy, I'm there. | ||
| Is that one of those things you stand in one of those chambers and it's 50 below zero or something crazy? | ||
| Like negative 300. Is that crazy? | ||
| What happens to your dick when you do that? | ||
| That seems to me to be a problem. | ||
| So I have gloved fingers and I take those gloved fingers and I cover what is going to be my very small penis in like seconds. | ||
| And I make sure I double hand it so both my hands are double insulated. | ||
| Does anybody go raw dog and just let their dick freeze? | ||
| That would be a... | ||
| Because if you found out that guy did it, you'd probably have to do it too, wouldn't you? | ||
| No. | ||
| I would assume that you would be one of those guys who'd be like, alright. | ||
| I am that dumb. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Like, I am so stupid, I'm gonna... | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Are you messing with me? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| I'm gonna do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just do it in a monk position. | ||
| You're only in there for like three minutes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you get out, huge infusion of blood, you feel better. | ||
| Eddie Bravo did this in preparation for his Hoyler match, which is the first time I'd heard about it. | ||
| Explain it to me and for the lay people at home. | ||
| Your neck is above, right? | ||
| Your head is exposed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it closes on you like a sun tanning bed. | ||
| Exactly, but you're standing up. | ||
| They punch liquid nitrogen gas in there, so up to about your chin, down to like negative 300 degrees. | ||
| So you're breathing, the gas is coming up to your chin, and the largest organ in your body is your skin. | ||
| So it's very responsive. | ||
| It can absorb quickly. | ||
| People take drugs that way. | ||
| It's very responsive. | ||
| So it gets exposed to negative 300 degrees. | ||
| The first thing it does is take blood from the extremities and rushes it to the vital life-sustaining organs of your body, your brain, your heart, and your lungs. | ||
| So, all the blood goes from your extremities to your core, and then you're there for like 2-3 minutes, and it's super crazy, because if you have an injury like a hurt knee or a hurt hand, where you have extra fluid there, it gets super cold there, because you have more fluid there, and more fluid is conductive, and it gets colder faster. | ||
| So you can feel these injuries on your body get crazy cold. | ||
| And then you hop out, three minutes up, you get out of the chamber, and then your body responds to being in 80 degrees. | ||
| And all the blood rushes back out to the extremities. | ||
| So you get this huge infusion of good, healthy blood back out to these injuries and back out to your extremities. | ||
| It's a rush. | ||
| It feels like you just drank like five cups of coffee and you're like amped. | ||
| It's just this weird, tingly, fantastic sensation. | ||
| So, that's what happens. | ||
| And how does it help you recover by doing that? | ||
| Infusion. | ||
| Circulation. | ||
| Like, in the... | ||
| Trying to treat an injury, you know, you have, you have rest, ice, compression, elevation, you know, when, when you're trying to work on recovery without injury, you want circulation. | ||
| So you want good, healthy blood going to muscles that you've just fatigued to increase recovery and response time. | ||
| So like if you just like simple terms, if I went and did like a big squat and deadlift workout for the day, right? | ||
| My legs and back and butt are going to be sore. | ||
| Um, You know, those extremities, it's vascular region. | ||
| So go hop in the cryo chamber. | ||
| All the blood that's sitting there In that area, in my legs, in my back, in my butt, all rush to my brain and lungs and heart. | ||
| Then I get out and all sorts of great new fantastic blood goes back to my legs, back and butt. | ||
| So I get a great huge infusion of good healthy blood back out to my extremities to increase recovery time because I'm just increasing circulation. | ||
| Increasing circulation is increasing recovery. | ||
| Wow, that's fascinating shit, man. | ||
| It's fascinating when you see all these new innovations when it comes to strength and conditioning and recovery and fitness. | ||
| That's a unique one, man. | ||
| That's interesting stuff. | ||
| It's cold, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many days a week do you do that? | ||
| Four. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they have a place like that in Albuquerque? | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| They have a trailer that sometimes they'll bring out to me in fight camps. | ||
| That has that in it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| That is super nice. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Albuquerque doesn't have that? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Greg Jackson, get on the ball, bitch. | ||
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I know. | |
| Come on. | ||
| You should have that. | ||
| Deep tissues, great. | ||
| You know, they... | ||
| I believe the tenets, the foundations of being a healthy, recovering athlete, good sleep, good food, good sex, you have to have those. | ||
| If you're doing those things, then your body's going to... | ||
| Adapt to whatever the workload of volume that you're putting out so I have a crazy volume like guys that come and train with me They're like this is normal. | ||
| Yeah, this is normal. | ||
| Like this is what I do normally But I just have a very healthy foundation of a lifestyle You know like where I don't really drink. | ||
| I don't ever smoke You know like I train every single day two three times a day like this is my body is adaptive to that and then everything else the supporting structure of eating well, you know having awesome supplements You know having everything just to make my body Respond properly to training. | ||
| Volume is there. | ||
| How do you work your diet out? | ||
| Do you have a nutritionist that you work with? | ||
| Do you do it on your own? | ||
| A little bit of all of the above. | ||
| I have nutritionists that I bounce stuff off of and people that are way smarter than me that... | ||
| And then I'm surrounded with so many other elite athletes talking to them and their coaches. | ||
| You know, the guys on it, you know, they have a stable of guys there that are always looking for the next best thing. | ||
| Or even not the next best thing. | ||
| Things that have just been there around for thousands of years that nobody uses like they should. | ||
| So it's a constant discussion of like how to improve. | ||
| I know what my calories that I'm burning in a day because I log everything. | ||
| You know, I fought two weeks ago. | ||
| So I was on crazy strict diet for like three, four months to get down to 185. So now I'm back in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Maybe I'll have a little bit of brisket. | ||
| It's getting in there. | ||
| Or, you know, some tacos. | ||
| So... | ||
| Which I think is actually needed. | ||
| You can't be perfect all the time. | ||
| Your body needs those cheats. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think cheat days are important. | ||
| I think people that are just completely clean and strict, you're robbing yourself also of enjoyment. | ||
| Yeah, life's too short not to enjoy it. | ||
| Yeah, there's some delicious food that you shouldn't eat all the time, but you should eat sometimes. | ||
| Definitely, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you say that you log the amount of calories that you burn, how do you calculate that? | ||
| So heart rate monitor, right, during the workout knows my resting metabolic rate is key. | ||
| You have to know what that is. | ||
| And once you know what that is, kind of in between workouts, you... | ||
| Know cumulatively in a day what you've burnt. | ||
| And then you just add during the workouts, you know, if I work out two or three times that day, you know, if I'm doing a 90-minute strength and conditioning session, you know, I'm going to burn anywhere between 12 to 1600 calories in that session, you know, from warm-up to cool-down. | ||
| You know, like, last night I had a two-hour jujitsu session, you know, like, and it smashed afterwards, you know, like... | ||
| I know kind of what my heart rate was at during the entire time and two hours. | ||
| That's going to be another 1,500 calories that I'm putting on top of what I burnt in that day. | ||
| So I get a snapshot that I burnt 5,500 to 6,000 calories. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's way more than most people eat in a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fun to eat that though. | ||
| How do you stuff that in, though? | ||
| I'm in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Just brisket. | ||
| So easy. | ||
| Do you have any other nutritional requirements? | ||
| Do you eat gluten? | ||
| Do you take sugar into your diet at all? | ||
| I try not to. | ||
| Definitely Fight Camp, I don't have either of those. | ||
| But right now, I had an apple fritter bagel on Monday. | ||
| I hadn't had one of those in... | ||
| I don't even know how long. | ||
| And it was amazing. | ||
| It was like a small orgasm in my mouth. | ||
| I don't even know what that is, an apple fritter bagel. | ||
| No, not bagel, just an apple fritter. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Apple fritter donut. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So it's like just donut with apples. | ||
| Yeah, gluten and sugar and apples. | ||
| Sugar and that sort of, what is that, syrupy stuff in with the apples and the cinnamon. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| Ooh, that sounds good. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Do you Krispy Kreme it? | ||
| Do you ever Krispy Kreme it? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't do Krispy Kreme? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a spot that I go to. | ||
| I'm getting Regenikine. | ||
| Do you know what that is? | ||
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I don't. | |
| That's a thing that they go to Germany for that Dr. Peter Weller invented. | ||
| It's a blood-spinning procedure. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| NFL guys are doing it, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been getting it done. | ||
| I had it done on my neck. | ||
| I had a bulging disc in my neck that was impinging on nerves. | ||
| I was getting some numbness in my hand from jujitsu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Went away totally. | ||
| Magic. | ||
| The thing just shrunk down to nothing. | ||
| But the place where I get it is right down the street from Krispy Kreme. | ||
| And I drive and I'm like, do I want to fuck up what I just fixed? | ||
| Just do it! | ||
| Inflammation, you know. | ||
| Apparently inflammation and I found out about it from a physical therapist that gluten and inflammation, they're like, people say, oh, you know, you're not really gluten sensitive. | ||
| Most people aren't. | ||
| I mean, you can eat gluten and you'd be fine. | ||
| But the reality is, it does cause some inflammation. | ||
| The more you eat, the more you get. | ||
| Yeah, that's a fascinating thing, that it's a normal part of everybody's diet. | ||
| You wouldn't think that it would have that sort of an effect on your joints or your back, but it really does. | ||
| Yeah, well, especially if they train like we do. | ||
| Then, now we're just compounding problems where we have the enablers to cause inflammation, and then we're diet- Giving something that helps cause it. | ||
| Now things are just compounded and it's exponential. | ||
| What about dairy? | ||
| Not much at all. | ||
| Some cheeses I just can't live without. | ||
| Cheeses? | ||
| You're a cheese guy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a food guy. | ||
| If it's good, I want it. | ||
| Yeah, you cook, right? | ||
| Oh, God, I love to cook. | ||
| What do you cook? | ||
| I love everything, but... | ||
| I love cooking real. | ||
| When I say real, it's my food that I shot, that I cleaned, that I froze, that I packaged, that I brought in from my greenhouse, my backyard. | ||
| My food. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm with you a thousand percent. | ||
| I love being connected to what I put in my body. | ||
| Yeah, there's very few people who have experienced that, haven't said that it's something special. | ||
| When you cook an animal that you actually hunted, shot, butchered, cut up, put in your freezer, or eat it in camp, which is even better, when you're eating it a couple hours after it died, this is an amazing connection that... | ||
| People will poo-poo that. | ||
| It's not important. | ||
| Oh, you're just using that as an excuse to go out and shoot animals. | ||
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No. | |
| I would really like to take someone who is a meat eater who is anti-hunting. | ||
| You need to just experience this. | ||
| Just experience this. | ||
| I 100% agree. | ||
| I wish every person that ate meat, and ironically, a ton of anti-hunters eat meat, obviously. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's no connection to food these days. | ||
| People just want to go to the grocery store and pick their stuff off the shelf and have no idea how it got there, what was put in there. | ||
| But then they judge me because I hunt. | ||
| But I know exactly where this animal came from. | ||
| I felt sorry for it when I shot it. | ||
| I thought it was beautiful. | ||
| I still do. | ||
| I'm enjoying every single bite of it. | ||
| But they're going to sit there and be like, oh man, that guy hunts. | ||
| I'm an absolute fanatic conservationist. | ||
| But I hunt, yeah. | ||
| And I love my food, and I love good food. | ||
| So they're all connected, and I think people should wake up and realize. | ||
| It's also what we were kind of talking about earlier is that there's a broad spectrum of things that are going on in this world. | ||
| There's no black and white when it comes to hunting. | ||
| You can actually love animals and still shoot them and kill them. | ||
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I love them. | |
| It's a crazy thing. | ||
| People find that impossibly contradictory, but it's not. | ||
| The other thing that people don't want to admit is that if you do not shoot these animals, they're going to continue to fuck, they're going to continue to procreate, and then how are you going to control the population? | ||
| Because you have two options. | ||
| Either you can hunt them or you can bring in wolves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what do you want to do? | ||
| You want wolves running around through your fucking neighborhood, killing everything that they can get a hold of, including dogs, including livestock? | ||
| Do you want wild panthers? | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| How are you going to control the populations of these animals that don't have natural predators? | ||
| First, my experience, I was like a prepubescent kid when Catalina Island off the coast here of California. | ||
| Somebody accidentally introduced a hog to Catalina. | ||
| And it mated and boned with maybe one or two other wild hogs that were there that created this feral, big-ass hog. | ||
| That made a whole bunch of shit tons of more hogs. | ||
| And then started destroying the entire island. | ||
| So they brought in hunters to get rid of these hogs that were destroying the entire ecosystem of the island. | ||
| And... | ||
| And that happens on a much more, that's the micro example on a tiny little island with a tiny little animal. | ||
| But if you look at the big picture of, you know, like, Deer in the south, or hogs from Florida to Texas, or the python that was introduced in the Everglades, they have to be hunted to maintain the balance of harmony in the ecosystem. | ||
| The ecosystem will crash if it's not done. | ||
| So you either, like you said, give a predator, and that predator has serious problems that come along with it, or you have the hunter that does it properly, and then you have the benefits that come along with it, which is a proper ecosystem. | ||
| And you get delicious wild ham. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| I smoked that bitch myself. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's so beautiful. | ||
| In my backyard. | ||
| I shot it and I smoked it. | ||
| And it was the best tasting ham ever. | ||
| Wild pig has a completely different texture. | ||
| Than anything. | ||
| I marinated it, or brined it rather, for seven days before I smoked it. | ||
| But even so, it's a more dense meat. | ||
| It's more muscle. | ||
| It's darker. | ||
| It tastes better. | ||
| It's better for you. | ||
| And you fucking have to kill them because there's 50,000 hogs. | ||
| The place where I go to is Tohono Ranch. | ||
| We're only an hour and a half outside of L.A. And they have elk. | ||
| They have a pond up there that they put a trail camera on just to see what's eating there. | ||
| Sixteen different mountain lions. | ||
| Oh, nothing. | ||
| Just sixteen different fucking wild murderous cats. | ||
| And it's because there's so many pigs, there's so much game up there. | ||
| You could, from Texas to Florida, you could bring in every hunter in the nation and have them kill ten pigs apiece and it wouldn't even dent the population of wild hogs in the southeast. | ||
| Have you ever seen Aporkalypse Now? | ||
| No, it sounds like the best movie ever. | ||
| It's a show. | ||
| There's a dude, his name is Brian Kwaka, I think is his name. | ||
| That's a great name. | ||
| He's a guy from Texas, and he's got a show called Pigman. | ||
| And Pigman is a hunter in Texas, and he hunts wild pigs, and then he owns a barbecue place, and then serves up wild pig barbecue. | ||
| Now he's got a show on... | ||
| One of those, like history or something like that, it's called Boss Hog, and the show sort of details what he's doing. | ||
| I'm familiar with it. | ||
| Him and Ted Nugent got helicopters with fucking machine guns, and they're flying around with ARs shooting pigs out of the sky. | ||
| I mean, it is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen on TV. That's legal now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We passed legislation. | ||
| They have to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| And for folks who don't, that's cruel, that's horrible. | ||
| There are millions of pigs. | ||
| And they don't care. | ||
| Not only that, they don't stop fucking. | ||
| They breed all year round. | ||
| It's not like deer that have a rut and then they'll have a fawn. | ||
| No, these are animals that are shitting out four or five pigs every four or five months. | ||
| And they just... | ||
| This is the video of them shooting these things from the sky. | ||
| There's actually companies... | ||
| This is the wrong one. | ||
| What you're showing is there's a pig hunting video. | ||
| That was a pig hunting promo for the Sportsman's Channel. | ||
| But this is... | ||
| They had a whole episode. | ||
| And in the episode, they killed 450 pigs. | ||
| In a fucking 22-minute episode with commercials. | ||
| But that's a drop in the ocean to what's there. | ||
| Yeah, literally. | ||
| It is like taking a shot glass and tossing it into the ocean. | ||
| I mean, it's the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen in your life. | ||
| And they're just... | ||
| And they're catching these pigs running, headshots where they're tumbling while they're running, and there's something barbaric and fucked up about it, but they're taking that food and they're feeding hungry people, they have Hunters for the Hungry, they give the wild pork, which is excellent meat, they give it to hungry families, and it's really, really, really delicious food, and it's important too, but... | ||
| Then there's that thing where people are like, well, that's fucked up, man. | ||
| That's not really hunting. | ||
| They're shooting. | ||
| Well, they're not really hunting. | ||
| They're eradicating these problematic, delicious animals. | ||
| That's the best way to look at it. | ||
| They have to be eradicated, and while it might not be the most humane approach to it, it's a necessary one that has to happen. | ||
| And so, I don't know, it's a necessary evil a little bit. | ||
| Well, you know what's going on in the Hamptons? | ||
| You know, the Hamptons, the luxury area outside of Long Island where all these rich folks... | ||
| No, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| They have so many deer up there that they're bringing in snipers. | ||
| They're bringing in snipers in the middle of the night, and the town has proposed to give these deer birth control, to somehow or another give them food, put food out that has birth control in it, which, by the way, the male deer are going to... | ||
| So you're going to make bitches out of the male deer. | ||
| The male deer are going to run around, I think I'm fucking pregnant. | ||
| Why am I full swollen? | ||
| Is this natural? | ||
| Yeah, so you're going to have these male deer that are eating birth control, female deer, and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. | ||
| And it's a direct result of the failure to eradicate these animals or control their population through hunting. | ||
| There's a place in Pennsylvania where they have 24 hour a day, 7 day a week hunting 365 days a year. | ||
| You can hunt with bows and arrows. | ||
| You can hunt all years around because there are so many deer. | ||
| They're like, just fucking bring in hunters. | ||
| And the hunters come in and there's these huge estates that have these 10-acre properties where there's fucking tree stands. | ||
| There's million-dollar houses with fucking putting green courses and dudes in tree stands launching arrows at deer because they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| They're like ground squirrels. | ||
| You ever drive into a ranch that has ground squirrels? | ||
| And as the car is running, you see like... | ||
| Thousands of them just run across the road. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Tohono Ranch, which has 50,000 hogs. | ||
| It has Rocky Mountain elk. | ||
| Gigantic elk. | ||
| They have thousands of deer. | ||
| They have bears. | ||
| They have mountain lions. | ||
| They have everything. | ||
| The number one animal mass, pound for pound, is ground squirrels. | ||
| And this 2,700,000 acre ranch, number one is ground squirrels. | ||
| Believe it. | ||
| My dad, he was a narcotics officer for 30 years, door-kicking superstar. | ||
| He spends his retired time now shooting ground squirrels. | ||
| He's like the most amazing setup. | ||
| For ground squirrels? | ||
| For ground squirrels. | ||
| But you can't even eat ground squirrels. | ||
| No, on the ranch, the cows will step in their holes and break their legs, or they destroy irrigation for the vineyards. | ||
| They're nasty, they're disease-carrying, and they also breed like crazy. | ||
| You can't stop them. | ||
| They're cannibals, too. | ||
| You shoot one, they'll drag it into the hole and eat it. | ||
| Yeah, but they're very different from tree squirrels. | ||
| Tree squirrels are actually good. | ||
| I've eaten tree squirrel. | ||
| They're delicious. | ||
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I've eaten squirrels. | |
| They're pretty. | ||
| They taste good, man. | ||
| Steve Rinella, the guy who was the host of Meat Eater, shot a squirrel when we were in Wisconsin and cooked it. | ||
| It's a very unique taste, too. | ||
| It doesn't taste like anything else. | ||
| But, um, ground squirrels, man. | ||
| I wouldn't eat one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently you can't. | ||
| Apparently they're just fucking disgusting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, I mean, I guess you could eat it if you were starving to death, but another problem is, if you shoot them, you have to kill them. | ||
| Because if you shoot them and you wound them, they run into their hole and then the other ones eat it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fucking creepy little. | ||
| Yeah, they're nasty. | ||
| There's a lot of creepy little animals out there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But this, I mean, the idea that this one ranch with 2,700,000 acres, their largest animal mass is ground squirrels. | ||
| Well, they say that the largest mass of life on Earth, moving life, is ants. | ||
| And that there's more pounds of ants than there are humans. | ||
| Pounds of humans. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they're like 10,000 times stronger than we are. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Percent ratio. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hope they never get mad at us. | ||
| Or they better not start growing. | ||
| You know, if you go back throughout history and you find some of the animals that were just really enormous just a few hundred million years ago and they've somehow shrunk down to a manageable size. | ||
| Yeah, like if bees. | ||
| If bees are the size of horses, we'd have real problems. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I love honey. | ||
| Yeah, honey's delicious. | ||
| You know, vegans don't eat honey. | ||
| That's horrible. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| If you ever want to know how retarded being a vegan is, you won't eat honey. | ||
| I know they're retarded the moment that they start with, I'm a vegan. | ||
| Well, they can't help say it. | ||
| It's like they're holding a hot pan. | ||
| They run marathons? | ||
| Yeah, it's like the other thing that comes out right away. | ||
| It's like, I'm a marathoner, or I'm a vegan, or I eat paleo, or I'm a CrossFit. | ||
| That's like, nobody can help but tell you those necessary elements of themselves. | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's they want to tell you they're awesome. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But to me, that almost discounts you as being such. | ||
| Yeah, if you're a vegan and you cannot tell people for a long period of time, that's super impressive. | ||
| I'll like you more. | ||
| Wow, you're a vegan and it took you two weeks to tell me? | ||
| I'm impressed. | ||
| Can I buy you lunch? | ||
| A vegan lunch? | ||
| I get it for people that don't want to be cruel. | ||
| I totally get the whole sentiment. | ||
| I get all of it. | ||
| I get the idea of wanting to eat fresh vegetables and it's healthy for you. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But the finite nature of life itself, it seems to me it's so silly that you think that somehow or another you not killing animals is somehow going to balance things out. | ||
| Or you not being a part of killing animals is going to balance. | ||
| They're killing each other. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| Like there's a war going on. | ||
| All the animals are involved in it, including humans. | ||
| We're just so far ahead we forgot it's a war. | ||
| And we have POW camps that we set up in cities. | ||
| We call them zoos. | ||
| And that's what that is. | ||
| They didn't ask to be there. | ||
| We capture those motherfuckers and we put them... | ||
| And they're in these weird things where we don't let them interact with the other animals in the zoo. | ||
| We block them off in their own little apartments so we could stare at them while we eat popcorn. | ||
| I'm not sure I agree with that. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I think that if you should have zoos, you should lump all those bitches together. | ||
| And if you run out of monkeys, go get more. | ||
| There's a lot of those, too. | ||
| The monkeys that survive are going to be the ones that know how to get away from the cats. | ||
| Yeah, he's a badass. | ||
| That monkey I want as a pet. | ||
| Yeah, that's a monkey who knows how to zig and zag. | ||
| He knows how to juke. | ||
| When the cat's coming, he knows how to get to the tall branches. | ||
| The monkey that stays in the ground and picks his ass while the jaguar is slowly creeping up on him, that's the monkey that's supposed to die. | ||
| The weird part about the SeaWorlds and the zoos of our life is that I love when people are like, oh, did you see the movie Blackfish? | ||
| It's so horrible. | ||
| I'm going to boycott SeaWorld. | ||
| You're like... | ||
| Have you ever given a cent to marine biology or the preservation of marine wildlife? | ||
| No, but you're going to boycott SeaWorld. | ||
| How much money have they given in the research and preservation of marine wildlife? | ||
| Oh yeah, a thousand times more than you. | ||
| It's the same with the zoos. | ||
| You know, like, I don't like zoos. | ||
| I think it's horrible that the animals are there, but they do more in research and understanding wildlife and the preservation of wildlife than almost everyone that goes there and then or doesn't go there and complains about it. | ||
| And so it's just like this, again, shades of gray. | ||
| My problem with SeaWorld is very simple. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't even understand how smart they are because they can't alter their environment. | ||
| So we don't think of them as being smart because they don't have thumbs, they don't pick things up, because they can move in 3D all around the ocean. | ||
| They can fucking dive and swim and move around and they have these pods, they stay together, they have families, they have dialects, they have languages. | ||
| They're so intelligent That we're just now starting to understand that they have variations in the way they speak, depending upon what geographic location they're at. | ||
| They're really fucking smart. | ||
| Like, human-type smart. | ||
| And just because they're different from us, and they don't build houses, doesn't mean they're not smart. | ||
| So, to me, it's like slavery. | ||
| It's like, just because, you know, we have donated so much money into slavery research, but you're still fucking slave owners, you cunts! | ||
| You know, the reason why there needs to be slavery research I just think that anything smart shouldn't be in captivity. | ||
| But like giraffes? | ||
| They're so stupid. | ||
| You go to the zoo and they seem happy as fuck. | ||
| Babies feed them. | ||
| They let babies feed them. | ||
| I have a three-year-old. | ||
| She holds up lettuce, the giraffe comes and take it. | ||
| That fucking giraffe's not upset at all. | ||
| They're so confident that giraffes are chill that they let babies feed them. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They are so chill. | ||
| They're just happy there's no lions. | ||
| For you to be a giraffe all day, you have a giant target. | ||
| Your neck is just this huge target that somebody wants to bite. | ||
| There's not one spot. | ||
| It's not like a warthog that has this little short fucking stubby neck that's tough to get to. | ||
| You have this giant neck like a tree. | ||
| Everywhere around it, you could bite and kill you. | ||
| I mean, they're so happy they're in the zoo. | ||
| They're so happy. | ||
| No, they don't know how happy they are. | ||
| They're like, wait, nothing's eating me? | ||
| And this three-year-old's giving me food? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, I think this is good. | ||
| But then there's weirdness when it comes to captive animals, like these hunting camps that they have in Africa. | ||
| It gets, again, the gray area, the weirdness of the world, because you know Louis Theroux, the documentary guy? | ||
| Fascinating guy. | ||
| I had him on the podcast. | ||
| Really, really interesting cat. | ||
| I want to watch that one. | ||
| It's a good one. | ||
| One of the best documentaries that he did was when he went to Africa and went to these hunting camps. | ||
| They have these high fence hunting camps where they take these animals and they put them in these huge enclosures and they let people hunt them. | ||
| The irony is these animals are, there's higher populations, they're healthier, there's more of them. | ||
| Animals that were on the verge of extinction are now, there's many, many, many of them, but they're hunted. | ||
| So it's like people have this weird sort of like, well, yeah, the animals are healthier, the populations are healthier, but the reason being is because people can pay to go kill them. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| But it's just another example of the world not being so clear-cut. | ||
| There's a lot of weirdness out there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Ironically, some of the rhinos that are left in this world are at those camps. | ||
| They're not being hunted. | ||
| They're being protected. | ||
| They're in these high-fence, game-fence areas where people are coming. | ||
| They'll come... | ||
| Look at the rhino and be like, oh wow, what a beautiful rhino. | ||
| Alright, let's go shoot a Gems buck and a kudu. | ||
| How much does it cost? | ||
| You know, like something they couldn't do 20 years ago because there weren't enough of them. | ||
| But now, like, oh, Limitless Impala? | ||
| Well, that's a blessed buck? | ||
| Oh, I'll take one of those. | ||
| That's $1,000? | ||
| Not a problem. | ||
| You know, like, that's what it's like there. | ||
| But they saved species by making them available to be paid for. | ||
| Yeah, it's very strange. | ||
| And Louis Theroux's documentary really captured it. | ||
| What was his position? | ||
| Well, his position is, you know, he's trying to get to it. | ||
| He's trying to get to his position during the whole documentary. | ||
| He's like, okay, I see. | ||
| But the real position is really clearly established by the guy who runs the hunting camp because he gets angry at Louis. | ||
| At one point in the show, like, you know, three quarters of the way in, he goes, you don't understand. | ||
| He goes, Africa is fucked! | ||
| He goes, it's fucked. | ||
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Unless something is worth money, it's gonna fucking die. | |
| They fucking kill everything. | ||
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It's fucked. | |
| There's nothing here. | ||
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The reason why these fucking animals are here is because they're worth money. | |
| That's it! | ||
| That's it! | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| And, you know, Louis is like, I guess, I understand. | ||
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It's true. | |
| It is true. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| And, in a sense, that sort of mirrors What's going on when it comes to wildlife in America. | ||
| More money has been spent by hunters to conserve wetlands, to preserve wildlife habitat for elk, to preserve areas where deer live and to establish clear protocols as far as how many animals Can be sustained in any given location and keep the populations healthy. | ||
| All that money comes from hunters. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is just amazing. | ||
| It's another one of those things. | ||
| It's like, when you look at it in clear, objective terms, you see that this is a very complex issue. | ||
| And it's not as simple as, these animals are beautiful, we should not kill them. | ||
| They are beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, you have to kill them, though. | ||
| But you have to kill them. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Not really, they're delicious! | ||
| That's the crazy thing is, no, it doesn't really suck. | ||
| They are delicious. | ||
| Like, fuck, man. | ||
| There's so much going on there. | ||
| And again, it's just the way the world is. | ||
| Which is like this ironic contrast to the first 10 years of my life where, like, I didn't think what I was shooting was beautiful because they're evil fuckers. | ||
| Now, as a sportsman, a hunter, I love these animals. | ||
| Which animals do you think were evil? | ||
| Terrorists. | ||
| You said for the first 10 years of your life, you're shooting terrorists? | ||
| No, 10 years of my career as a shooter. | ||
| Oh, I thought you were saying as your life. | ||
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Wait, so when you're 9 years old, you're hunting terrorists? | |
| No, like, at 23. You know, I was like, no remorse, slept very well at night, you know, because these were evil people. | ||
| And now I'm like, oh man, I don't want to shoot that. | ||
| That's pretty. | ||
| You know, that thing's beautiful. | ||
| That I'll shoot, you know, because that is really yummy and there's too many of them. | ||
| Yeah, I have a buddy who served and came back, and he loves fishing, and he had a real hard time getting back into hunting. | ||
| He said, you know, you see so much death at a certain point in time, you don't want to be a part of any of it. | ||
| Totally sympathize. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got back. | ||
| He lives in New Mexico, and he got back into elk hunting. | ||
| New Mexico is great for elk. | ||
| He got back into it after a while, but it took him a while. | ||
| It took him a while to just sort of settle in. | ||
| He's just like, I saw too much death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally empathetic to that. | ||
| Is there ever going to be a time where there's no war? | ||
| Is that even possible with human beings? | ||
| Not in my lifetime. | ||
| That's a disturbing idea for people because if people have this idea, I mean, this is a shitty analogy, but it's one that I use. | ||
| If 20 people can get along, if like, okay, there's five of us in this room or four of us in this room. | ||
| If there's four people in this room and we can get along, can 40 people get along? | ||
| Yes, 40 people can get along. | ||
| You could have a community of 40 people with no problems and just live from birth to death and nobody kills anybody. | ||
| Maybe that weird outlier at 40. But as a community, they'll absorb him for what he is or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, but then you get to 4,000. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Someone's going to die. | ||
| Jim's a douche. | ||
| We've got to take out Jim. | ||
| And everybody's going to meet by the campfire and go, look, this motherfucker is just ruining our life. | ||
| He doesn't hunt. | ||
| He eats all our food. | ||
| He fucks our women when we're not there. | ||
| He beats our kids. | ||
| We've got to kill this guy. | ||
| And out of a certain number, there's going to be this one that comes up. | ||
| And then when you deal with seven billion, it's like, whoa, how does... | ||
| How does that ever become manageable? | ||
| I mean, do human beings have to evolve past what we are right now? | ||
| Do we have to reach some new stage? | ||
| Yeah, I hope so too. | ||
| Well, you would know better than anybody what the horrors of war are. | ||
| So would you think that someone who has experienced that would have a better perspective about what's necessary and what's not necessary when it comes to Sort of just managing peace? | ||
| Try to... | ||
| Yes and no. | ||
| You know, there's no, like, nirvonic moment where you have, like, this clear sight of, you know, what... | ||
| An understanding of what's necessary and what's not, how people should be or how people shouldn't be. | ||
| Like, if anything, you know, as six years as a door kicker, assaulter, and then four years as a Halo sniper guy, I've seen death, like, from a foot away and from a mile away. | ||
| So there's no range of death I haven't seen. | ||
| So if anything, I value life more, I think. | ||
| I hate war more. | ||
| I think it's horrible and disgusting. | ||
| But without a doubt, I think it's absolutely necessary. | ||
| And needed to such a level that I can't even imagine what this world would be like. | ||
| Had we not been involved to the degree that we've been involved in for the past 12 years, trying to eradicate this fanatic group of psychopaths. | ||
| So, I don't want to think about what the world would be like. | ||
| But, you know, I don't want my nieces and my nephews or my kids to ever have to do what I did. | ||
| Or see what I saw. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I hope we never have to invade a country. | ||
| I remember we were talking about Syria. | ||
| You're like, are we going to go over there? | ||
| I was like, God, no! | ||
| There's no need. | ||
| There's no resource. | ||
| There's no necessary element for us to be involved in. | ||
| But the preservation of human life, isn't that needed? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's one of the reasons why... | ||
| False flags and false flag operations are so disgusting when you find out that someone's lying about the motivation for profit. | ||
| There's nothing worse than somebody that lies for the benefit of themselves. | ||
| Joe, I think you're a good-looking man, and I think that dress looks great on you, and it makes you look thin. | ||
| That's an okay lie sometimes to tell. | ||
| Wait, it's your 28th birthday? | ||
| That's great to hear. | ||
| No, I'm 40. Whatever. | ||
| Those are not self-serving lies. | ||
| Those are cute lies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you're lying so that you can put money in your pocket at the expense of human life, I hope you burn in hell forever. | ||
| It's a dark lie. | ||
| It's a very, very dark lie. | ||
| It's a confusing lie, too, because it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this has actually happened? | ||
| When you find out about the Gulf of Tonkin or Operation Northwoods, that there have been these moments in time where people have tried to figure out a way to lie in order to drag people into war, a war that otherwise the public wouldn't support. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| It's a very weird aspect of society. | ||
| Not only that exists, but that's ignored. | ||
| It's ignored and almost brushed under the table when you start talking about war and about policy. | ||
| This is something that people don't want to acknowledge, that we have been duped by the military-industrial complex in the past, and that it is actually standard operational procedure. | ||
| They will come up with different ways in order to get people to support war, and one of them is the lie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When guys come back, the big one is PTSD. That's the hardest aspect, it seems, to integrate back into a normal society with normal life and normal jobs and normal... | ||
| Just the things that we all just deal with on a regular basis, for some folks, it becomes almost unbearable. | ||
| What is the difference between people that integrate smoothly and people that have an incredibly difficult time? | ||
| You know, from that incredibly difficult time to smoothly are all scales, you know, and the biggest or the factors are the degrees of coping mechanisms that an individual has. | ||
| I have a very strong family, you know, like an amazing wife, fantastic father and mother, they're still married, amazing brother and sister, great, like, so family unit, very supportive. | ||
| I'm very fit, I'm very healthy, I'm well educated, I was well trained. | ||
| These are all different mechanisms to deal with stress. | ||
| Everybody deals with stress differently, but the foundation of how you deal with stress, you have to have these fundamental elements to be able to do it. | ||
| The more of them that you have, the more stress you can deal with. | ||
| So a guy like me that was a ranger, sniper, Green Beret, like, killed lots of dudes, can come back and sleep well at night. | ||
| You know, yeah, I had to adjust. | ||
| There are things that, you know, like, I had moments where a guy smoking a clove that maybe just ate at an Indian restaurant, so I'm having some sensory to, like, how he smells, listening to... | ||
| You know, music from that culture that I just spent six, you know, six months with. | ||
| You know, like, I'm like, I want to shoot this person. | ||
| Like, that instant reaction. | ||
| But then I'm like, okay, no, everything's okay. | ||
| Wow, what is that like? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I was walking to a Best Buy, and that was an example. | ||
| This guy driving a yellow BMW. He was smoking a clove. | ||
| And I got this whiff of, like, curry. | ||
| And so everything was there. | ||
| Like, the music, the look, what he was wearing, you know. | ||
| You know, I was just like, that guy looks like a terrorist. | ||
| You know, snap judgment. | ||
| Like, I just got back a couple of days later and I was like, should I shoot this person? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm in Fayetteville, North Carolina walking into a Best Buy to buy the new Avengers movie. | ||
| No, I think it was Iron Man. | ||
| I don't remember what it was. | ||
| But you were an educated guy and you're an intelligent, introspective guy. | ||
| For a guy who's not, that's very problematic. | ||
| So those coping mechanisms, like how much does that person have? | ||
| You have a National Guardsman that enlisted out of high school. | ||
| He comes from a broken home. | ||
| He's poor, you know... | ||
| Then he goes, he enlisted to be a truck driver, and then his truck gets blown up, and they get in a firefight, and then he sees death. | ||
| He saw, you know, the guy that his navigator just lost an arm. | ||
| Dude, that guy is scarred for life. | ||
| You know, he has no coping mechanisms to deal. | ||
| And then he comes home, and he's broken, and he's damaged. | ||
| How does that person reintegrate into society without all the necessary coping mechanisms? | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| When you hear about stories where guys snap, and there have been several over the course of these two wars, and one of the big ones was a decorated guy wound up killing a bunch of civilians, and it made... | ||
| You made a lot of the rounds on these talk shows where people try to discuss PTSD and traumatic events and that this guy was having real problems and reporting having real problems before all this happened and they kept sending him back over there. | ||
| Do you relate to that and you try to figure it out for yourself? | ||
| When you see these stories in the news, how do they hit you? | ||
| I wish I could be empathetic. | ||
| I've had PTSD nightmares where I wake up in a sweat and I put my hand through the wall. | ||
| My wife's like, are you okay? | ||
| That was years ago. | ||
| First came back after some bad, rough trips. | ||
| So maybe I have some empathy to that. | ||
| The Special Forces unit by design is very tight. | ||
| And, you know, like, if you're having issues, I can go to my team sergeant or I can go to my senior and bounce things off of them. | ||
| I get really resentful over people making snap judgments about these guys that are coming back and having issues. | ||
| You know, like, oh, you're a veteran? | ||
| Is it safe for my kids to be around you? | ||
| You know, like, hell yeah, they're like the greatest human beings on the planet, you know, and like one in a million have... | ||
| A very small percentage have serious issues, but we have to have our eyes wide open about how to deal with post-traumatic stress. | ||
| And there's not one easy solution, and it's a lot of hard work to get there. | ||
| It's not one easy solution. | ||
| There's not one standard set of experiences that each veteran experiences over there and brings back with them. | ||
| It varies. | ||
| And that's such an important thing that you said about the coping mechanisms that you have in place. | ||
| What What's done to help veterans when they come back as far as help them strengthen their coping mechanisms, help them deal with situations? | ||
| What kind of support do they offer you? | ||
| Now, you know, we've been at war for a long time. | ||
| We have a lot of things in place where, you know, FRG, the Family Readiness Group, is there for your family. | ||
| So when you're coming back, your family has an understanding of what you've experienced or how to deal with you. | ||
| You know, like, you're not... | ||
| Hey, Saturday you're going to be coaching kids softball. | ||
| Saturday night we're going to mom and dad's. | ||
| They're not overwhelming you with American life, which is normal to everybody else unless you've been in a plywood building for 12 months and now you're back surrounded with thousands of people that you have no idea. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| So, the military has done a way better job of trying to reintegrate soldiers back into, you know, normal life. | ||
| But then you have a lot of great organizations that are veteran-started. | ||
| And these guys really get it. | ||
| You know, like, Brian Stan is a great example, Hire Heroes. | ||
| You know, he's involved with getting these guys back to work. | ||
| Veterans Outdoors, like a Make-Wish Foundation for wounded guys. | ||
| So if you have a serious physical ailment from battle, whether it's internal or physical, they'll give you these crazy things just to be like, hey, things are okay. | ||
| You're still surrounded by friends. | ||
| Let's get you reconnected to a community that you're involved with and do something fun at the same time. | ||
| So there's a lot of different ways. | ||
| Like the worst thing, though, is when they start throwing pills at these guys. | ||
| You know, the pharmaceutical approach, where it's like, alright, let's put you on an antidepressant and hope for the best. | ||
| There's a lot of that, right? | ||
| Freaking retarded. | ||
| When you're over there, do they try to offer it to you when you're actually in country? | ||
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| Not, like, antidepressants. | ||
| You know, there's pharmaceutical things, like, to keep you awake longer, to make you alert longer. | ||
| Like, what kind of shit? | ||
| I mean, it's just, like, you're in special forces. | ||
| Like, hey, here's, you know, this... | ||
| Well, I mean, even some great stuff where, like, over-the-counter things... | ||
| Like, I wish I had AlphaBrain when I was there. | ||
| Like, not plugging intentionally, but... | ||
| Like, that stuff's fantastic. | ||
| You're focused. | ||
| You feel good. | ||
| You're ready to go. | ||
| You know, that would have been a thousand times better than, you know, like, hey, here's something the DOD just sent down for us to use. | ||
| You know, it'll keep you awake for three days. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| What did they give you? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| You don't even know what they were? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But I know I was awake for three days. | ||
| Yeah, I have friends who went over there and said they just gave them steroids. | ||
| They just, they gave them oral steroids. | ||
| Well, do you know what? | ||
| I've never done steroids. | ||
| I swear by all, it's only true. | ||
| Were they offered and available? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we have a Special Forces guy. | ||
| He's 38 years old. | ||
| This is his 6th, 7th combat tour. | ||
| We're doing 2, 3, 4 hits a night. | ||
| Hits like missions. | ||
| We're doing mission, follow-up mission, follow-up mission. | ||
| We're doing a helicopter landing. | ||
| We're doing a GAF where we're on a ground assault force. | ||
| And this guy's broken. | ||
| He's hurt. | ||
| He physically can't keep up. | ||
| He needs it. | ||
| Do I want the 38-year-old dude next to me that's on steroids, or do I want the one that can barely walk because everything hurts so bad? | ||
| I want the 38-year-old on steroids. | ||
| Yeah, and that sort of brings up what we were talking about before, where it's the... | ||
| The discussion of TRT when it comes to mixed martial arts training, testosterone replacement therapy, for folks who don't know this debate, they're not mixed martial arts fans, and there's probably a lot of people listening to this that aren't, For a long time, over a year, two years, whatever it was, you were allowed to get prescribed testosterone. | ||
| And Brennan Schaub said it best. | ||
| We were discussing it on the podcast. | ||
| He said that there's youth. | ||
| And with youth, you have elevated hormone levels, but you have a lack of experience, you have a lack of knowledge. | ||
| And then as you get older, you get wiser, you get smarter, you have more knowledge, but the body just does not respond the way it used to. | ||
| Eve Edwards was talking to him and he was saying, you know, man, he's like 37 now. | ||
| He's like, I know so much now, but my body just doesn't listen. | ||
| It just doesn't do what it did when I was 20 and I didn't know as much. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| I love Eve. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| But there's that nature balance that is sort of stopped and it's placed with injections of testosterone. | ||
| And then you're introducing this weird element into... | ||
| One of the most dangerous sports competitions the world has ever known. | ||
| Mixed martial arts. | ||
| One of the most... | ||
| There's more on the line as far as your emotions, your physical body is at risk. | ||
| There's always... | ||
| And you're sort of... | ||
| You're changing nature. | ||
| You're making it so that these old wise people now are juiced to the gills and they can train 17 hours a fucking day and it gets real weird. | ||
| It gets real weird when that's, for a while, was accepted by athletic commissions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The youth is wasted on the young. | ||
| You know, like that expression is like you have now, you know, I'm 34. | ||
| I've been doing martial arts for forever. | ||
| I want the body of a 22-year-old with what I know now. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, but I can chemically do that, you know. | ||
| Through testosterone, which is what guys have been able to do for the past couple of years. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| If it was golf, I wouldn't care. | ||
| If it's baseball and Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire era, I don't really care. | ||
| But we're in a sport where we're Hitting each other in the face and choking each other unconscious. | ||
| We do not need the advantage of taking the years of experience of doing martial arts for, you know, 20 some odd years, and then giving us bodies of 20 year olds. | ||
| The physicality, the recovery, the responsiveness. | ||
| It's horrible, but guys have been doing it. | ||
| And now we're at this juncture where we're now saying, okay, it's not okay. | ||
| You can't have an athletic commission allow you to do it. | ||
| So does that mean that guys are going to do it on the side and do it orally because they know when they're going to get tested or now they're not being monitored, so they're just going to do it whenever and however they want? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| It's weird because there were a few guys that were on it for several years and they were being very successful while they were on it and then all of a sudden it gets pulled away. | ||
| So what do they do? | ||
| Do they try to bring their body up to natural levels? | ||
| See, but that takes time. | ||
| It takes a long time. | ||
| You know, for like a, I don't know, let's say a hypothetical 37-year-old that's been on testosterone for four or five years, and then he can't have it anymore. | ||
| It's going to take that guy a long time, if ever, to be able to naturally produce testosterone. | ||
| And he'll never have the levels that he had when he was on it. | ||
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No. | |
| Because the levels he's had when he was on it were 25-year-old's levels. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the other thing is the things that you can take to bring your levels back up are also banned. | ||
| Things like Clomid and all these different estrogen-producing or estrogen-suppressing devices. | ||
| All these different chemicals that people do post-steroid cycle are also illegal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it becomes, like, that was what Dennis Seaver got popped for. | ||
| He got popped for one of these post-steroid cycle things, and now he's on the shelf for nine months because of this. | ||
| Yeah, people are like, wait, wait, why was that guy, he failed a drug test because he's blocking estrogen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you have to, or otherwise you're going to grow breasts after you've been using anabolic steroids and testosterone. | ||
| Like, you have to. | ||
| Yeah, when you... | ||
| Well, see, there's testosterone replacement. | ||
| Like, if you went to a doctor and you said, you know, hey, doc, I'm 60 years old. | ||
| I would like to get on some testosterone and have a better quality of life. | ||
| The doctor will give you a slow dose of testosterone, slowly ramp you up. | ||
| He's not going to, bam, jack you and turn you into a 20-year-old. | ||
| But what a lot of fighters are doing is they're taking weight. | ||
| Way more than you would have when you were 20. And what happens is your body goes, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| And it grows tits. | ||
| Literally, your body starts producing massive amounts of estrogen to counteract the massive amounts of testosterone. | ||
| Your body gets so confused as to these levels of hormones that are completely supernatural in your body. | ||
| And... | ||
| Under those conditions, under those conditions, you develop bitch tits. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And a lot of guys have had them. | ||
| And you'll see this weird, like, thing. | ||
| You see this jelly, like, growing around their nipples. | ||
| And I've seen guys where they bounce up and down in the cage and they have tits. | ||
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Wait, it's remarkable to me where... | |
| People don't understand. | ||
| We're a pugilistic sport. | ||
| Guys are trying to take every advantage, every shortcut that they possibly can. | ||
| You and I can look at a dude and we just from the texture of his skin can know if he's on a cycle, if he's off a cycle, if he was on a cycle. | ||
| By texture of their skin, you mean like zits on their back and stuff like that? | ||
| Yeah, like acne or acne scarring or... | ||
| It's possible that they have that naturally, right? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Some guys, but it is a sign. | ||
| It is a sign. | ||
| And then they have bitch tits. | ||
| Another sign, another clue. | ||
| Or like a guy looked one way five years ago when he was 32 and now he's 37 and he looks 10,000 times better than he ever has in his whole entire life. | ||
| You talking about Vitor Belfort? | ||
| No, I'm just giving you an example of perhaps another clue. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, like, yes, I am. | ||
| Just so we're not being unclear about this. | ||
| Can you talk about what we were talking about before the show, or is that the offer? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, okay. | ||
| So, you know, he's a scapegoat, I think, a little bit for TRT, because it was a bigger problem for the entire sport, where... | ||
| He, in my opinion, just personified a problem. | ||
| And then everybody pinned everything on him. | ||
| But it was a big problem throughout the whole entire sports, which is performance-enhancing drugs. | ||
| And is it right for a 37-year-old dude like Vitor Belfort to be on testosterone for five years look amazing and fantastic while he's on it? | ||
| And nothing like he did five years ago where he was struggling, winning a fight, losing a fight. | ||
| Now he's knocking guys out with... | ||
| Crazy fight of the night, fight of the year, like knockout of the night, knockout of the year type stuff. | ||
| You know, you can't have that turnaround. | ||
| And then like, stop testosterone and two months later he's ready to go. | ||
| No, that's chemical. | ||
| You know, like, that doesn't work that way. | ||
| Yeah, how does a guy get off of it in that short of a time and then have the ability to compete again? | ||
| It would seem like it would take like a year. | ||
| If ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Chemically. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's no way around it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not a doctor, but having been a professional athlete for 13 years, I've never seen somebody that was so responsive to testosterone like he was and then come clean and try to be an athlete like they were when they were using performance-enhancing drugs afterwards and just miraculously... | ||
| Being as good as they were when they were on it. | ||
| It has never happened. | ||
| I can't think of a single sport, a single sportsman in history where they got popped, they were watched closely, and then performed as well after that point. | ||
| Yeah, I completely agree with you that it's so different than baseball and all these other things. | ||
| What I don't like about the baseball steroid controversy is that a young kid who's coming up who wants to play baseball almost has to do it in order to compete. | ||
| So when there's a guy like Mark McGuire who's juiced to the gills, crushing the ball out of the stadium, a young guy coming up that wants to be like Mark McGuire Most likely, unless you have incredible genetics, you're just a genetic specimen, just a weird freak of nature, some guy who's just extreme mesomorph, you're probably not going to ever be able to do that. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Yeah, that to me sucks, that a young guy has to risk his endocrine system and put it in it, but there's such a big difference between that and a combat sport. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what the solution is. | ||
| Testing. | ||
| Testing, right? | ||
| Year-round testing, random testing, in-fight camp, post-fight. | ||
| You know, like right now, I fought two weeks ago. | ||
| I'm getting back into training two, three times a day. | ||
| This is when a guy... | ||
| Test him. | ||
| Test him. | ||
| And just show up. | ||
| Hi! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Joe Silva's about to throw an offer my way, let's say, to fight in 10 weeks. | ||
| He knows he's going to throw an offer my way. | ||
| Before he throws the offer my way, a guy from the Athletic Commission in the respective state that I'm going to be fighting in shows up and says, hey, pee in the cup. | ||
| That's how you're going to get a fair, equal system. | ||
| Not where you tell a guy in Brazil, hey, you need to come up here and take a drug test. | ||
| And he's like, oh yeah, man, I'll be there in like four days. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| Athletic Commission guy shows up randomly, And right there, peanut of the cup. | ||
| And when you catch someone, I think it should be more than nine months. | ||
| And I think in this day and age, you should let everybody know, hey, look, we're going to cut you. | ||
| You're not going to fight for this organization anymore. | ||
| And let them know and then just say, this is the rule. | ||
| This is where we're at right now. | ||
| So everyone's been served notice. | ||
| Everyone knows what the repercussions are of this illegal activity that puts people in jeopardy. | ||
| My real concern is medical science is not going to stop. | ||
| Medical science and the innovative... | ||
| The way guys are going to cheat. | ||
| Not just cheat, but just the things that they're going to come up with to change the human body. | ||
| Just restorative capabilities of new advancements and new techniques. | ||
| You could say that getting in that cryo chamber. | ||
| If you can do that cryo chamber and another guy can't do that cryo chamber, do you have an advantage? | ||
| Is it an unfair advantage? | ||
| Where do you draw the line? | ||
| Should you be able to take creatine? | ||
| Well, creatine's legal. | ||
| Doesn't that increase muscle power and It does. | ||
| It increases your ability to work harder. | ||
| It's like, where is the line? | ||
| Can you take tribulus? | ||
| Can you take, you know, on its T-plus? | ||
| We're having great results with that T-plus stuff where guys are showing these 50% increases in rates of lifting and their rate of progress over people that are not taking it and double-blind placebos. | ||
| Like, when does it become legal and when does it become cheating? | ||
| When is it like a nice supplement and when is it a performance-enhancing drug? | ||
| I think one of the big things is what does it do to your body in the long run? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, when you're using a supplement, we'll just call them all supplements, we'll just even remove performance-enhancing drugs from the discussion, just a supplement that does In the short term, great benefits. | ||
| In the long term, big damage. | ||
| When you have WWE stars that are dying at 41 from heart attacks, and lo and behold, they've been doing steroids for 12 years, it's tragic, it's sad, but not surprising. | ||
| Isn't a lot of those guys, it's pain pills. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those guys are... | ||
| Folks who don't respect pro wrestlers, I know a lot of people think that, oh, it's all fake, it's silly. | ||
| Those guys work hard. | ||
| And damage their bodies. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| If you watch those guys flying through the air and jumping on each other, that's not a free ride. | ||
| They're getting hurt all the time. | ||
| And a huge problem in that world is guys that get hooked on pain pills, man. | ||
| So they damage their body, but then they have a show next Saturday. | ||
| They have to... | ||
| You know, McMahon's like, no, you've got to perform, bro. | ||
| That's like, you're on contract. | ||
| You're going to get paid. | ||
| Like, I can't move my hands right now. | ||
| Like, I can't use my fingers. | ||
| All right, well, take this. | ||
| You know, now everything doesn't hurt and you'll be able to perform because that's what's important. | ||
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| Yeah, it becomes like a thing where there's things that you can take that elevate your body's natural production of testosterone, and they can enhance your body's production. | ||
| But what they don't do is introduce synthetic versions of it that shut down your endocrine system. | ||
| What they don't do is give you these hyperhuman levels that are causing you to grow tits. | ||
| You know, there's... | ||
| There's got to be like a comfortable medium between eating healthy, having benefits like the cryo chamber and all these different things that do enhance recovery, but don't put you and your body in danger. | ||
| Don't burn you out in the short term. | ||
| You know, to give you, like, the rest of your life, you're fucked. | ||
| You know, from 35 on, your body's just devastated. | ||
| And it's not going to be black and white. | ||
| You know, it's not going to be a line drawn in the sand. | ||
| You know, that line needs to be able to be moved. | ||
| You know, it needs to have, you know, commissions and medical professionals that can adjust and adapt to what's happening, you know, with the growth of science. | ||
| You know, like, there's a reason why we're breaking records at every Olympics. | ||
| We're getting better. | ||
| You know, like, with the human body, how to make it perform better. | ||
| Um... | ||
| Having people that are smarter than me figure out where those lines are and move them. | ||
| But that line has to be there. | ||
| It can be a mobile line that they move from year to year, but that line has to be there. | ||
| And when guys step across it... | ||
| You know, there has to be repercussions. | ||
| My concern is what's really going to happen in the future, which happens with almost anything that involves human innovation. | ||
| Like if you look back at the cell phones of the 1990s where they had these fucking giant bricks and they'd hold them up to the head and wrap videos. | ||
| Now you can go anywhere in the world in a third world country in an impoverished neighborhood and people have these really small Incredibly complex cell phones that are just these magical devices that allow you to interface with the entire knowledge base of the world. | ||
| And they're everywhere. | ||
| I wonder what's going to happen when you have the kind of technology that they're working on right now, genetic engineering, at a cellular level where they're able to change people. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure you're aware of the myostatin inhibitors, like these things that they've demonstrated in Whippets, these dogs. | ||
| Just because of breeding, just a mistake in breeding, they've produced these super hyper-muscular dogs that have double the muscle, and cows as well. | ||
| Have you ever seen those images? | ||
| It's incredible, right? | ||
| Well, people are being born, just born with it. | ||
| A kid in Germany was born just a genetic mistake or a benefit to him. | ||
| Well, they're going to be able to figure that out with a pill or with a shot. | ||
| And your fucking mailman's going to have it. | ||
| Your mailman's going to look like the Hulk. | ||
| And when that happens, when it's everywhere, what do we do with athletes? | ||
| The Germans were trying it with eugenetics. | ||
| We've done it periodically throughout history. | ||
| The Spartans did it. | ||
| What did the Spartans do? | ||
| They'd throw babies that didn't meet their requirements off the cliff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's eugenetics at a very primal level. | ||
| It happens in nature all the time where a mom will be like, this cub is not going to be able to walk. | ||
| I'm leaving it. | ||
| So that's eugenetics. | ||
| That's survival of the fittest. | ||
| Now, we as super too smart for our own good sometimes, humans can take eugenetics and fix it with chemistry. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| Where we can just magically pop out superhuman. | ||
| I don't know if I'm ready for that. | ||
| I don't know if anyone's ready for it. | ||
| Or the implications of what that means morally. | ||
| If we don't get hit by an asteroid or invaded by aliens or blow each other up with nukes, it's common. | ||
| They're not going to stop. | ||
| There's eggheads that are in laboratories right now that are constantly working on new shit. | ||
| And that's what they do. | ||
| And that's what humans do. | ||
| We push the boundaries of innovation. | ||
| We always have. | ||
| It's part of what makes us human. | ||
| It's why we're on a podcast right now talking to a microphone that neither you nor I could have ever figured out on our own. | ||
| It's just a part of the program. | ||
| And They're gonna figure out something, man. | ||
| They're gonna inject you with nanobots or some sort of a new chemical that allows your body to work like Spider-Man. | ||
| I mean, you're gonna fucking climb walls. | ||
| You're gonna have incredible balance. | ||
| They're gonna figure out a way to stop traumatic brain injury by re-engineering the human mind. | ||
| There's gonna be a lot of crazy shit. | ||
| It might not be in our lifetimes, but our children's children, for sure, are gonna experience human beings that no one has ever experienced in the entire... | ||
| History of the world itself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| It's coming by human innovation. | ||
| It's going to leapfrog evolution. | ||
| I'm not sure I want to... | ||
| I'm kind of sad that I'm going to miss it, maybe. | ||
| Because I want to reap the benefits of it. | ||
| But then at the flip side, I don't want to have to deal with the implications of that. | ||
| I'm sad that I'm going to miss it, too. | ||
| Or we might not miss it. | ||
| We might just catch the wave. | ||
| But I'm also glad that I saw the world before a lot of shit was there. | ||
| Like, my kids are going to grow up in a world... | ||
| I have a 17-year-old, and she doesn't have any idea what life was like before the internet. | ||
| She has no idea. | ||
| The internet's always been there. | ||
| If she has a question, oh, there's the answer. | ||
| I grew up, I was retarded when I was her age. | ||
| And I put it in her head every day. | ||
| I go, let me tell you, if you met me, if I was 17 and you were 17, you would think, oh my god, this is the dumbest fucking guy that's ever walked the face of the earth. | ||
| And he thinks he's so smart. | ||
| I was an idiot! | ||
| I knew how to throw kicks, and I knew which Stephen King books I liked. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| I knew the right combination of words to say to get a girl to fuck me. | ||
| Sometimes, that's it. | ||
| That's all I knew. | ||
| I was a moron. | ||
| Like, what a 17-year-old knows today, as opposed to what they knew when I was... | ||
| Now, the future is going to be even crazier than that, but at least I got a perspective. | ||
| I got to see what it was like to grow up, where you didn't know... | ||
| If you called someone and they weren't home, they just weren't fucking home. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I remember when answer machines were invented, where people were like, holy shit! | ||
| You'd go on the internet and you'd hear this beep. | ||
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| And it was slow as fuck. | ||
| And if you wanted to see a picture of something, it would be like click, click, click, click, click, click. | ||
| And maybe it was black, white, and green. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Variations of those three. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I remember when internet searches first came about, too. | ||
| When you would first find... | ||
| I got a great story. | ||
| There was... | ||
| We don't even need to say the name of the organization, but a buddy of mine used to be co-owner of a small mixed martial arts organization. | ||
| And this was in the late 90s. | ||
| And they were just starting to... | ||
| Promote fighters through the internet, and they were just starting to do bios where they would research a guy through the internet. | ||
| Well, they researched this guy and they find out that a guy with the exact same name won something called the Hungriest Butt Contest. | ||
| So their gladiator, their heavyweight, their Adonis, 6'4", shredded man with his penthouse pet girlfriend that he would parade around at all these events also had done gay porn. | ||
| And so they pull down the picture. | ||
| They download some pictures. | ||
| And my friend described it as like, you see click, click, click, click, click, click. | ||
| You know how those pictures would slowly show up on a 56K modem? | ||
| It would, like, you would get the top of it, and it would slowly start to pan down. | ||
| And as it pans down, well, that looks like his hair. | ||
| Click, click, click. | ||
| That looks like it could be his forehead. | ||
| Click, click. | ||
| Well, that's his eyes. | ||
| Click, click, click. | ||
| That's a dick in his mouth. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And there's a dick in his ass. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And there's two guys using him, like, Chinese finger handcuffs. | ||
| And they're like, whoa. | ||
| And so this dude had no idea that that was even possible to internet. | ||
| He'd use the same name. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, he just figured, ah, no one's going to look that up but homos. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Thank you. | |
| And then they did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they also said, you know, he needed a lot of money, and they gave him some money, so he did it once. | ||
| Turn around, he did like 100 films. | ||
| It was a lot. | ||
| He did a lot. | ||
| How good could it be? | ||
| The joke is, I would say, you know, what does a lot of money mean to you? | ||
| A lot of money to me means I do one gay porno, and I live like in a Jay-Z video for the rest of my life. | ||
| You know, I'm in my underwear with two bottles of Cristal on a yacht with a thousand models forever. | ||
| If he did a hundred porns, he should have all the money on the planet by my calculations. | ||
| Yeah, there's no one richer ever. | ||
| Anywhere. | ||
| Fucking his con. | ||
| Fuck everyone who's ever lived, who's got money. | ||
| That guy would have all the money. | ||
| Every country would be bankrupt, and this guy's bank account would have all the cash. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing is, it's just like no one knew before that that an internet search was a possibility. | ||
| And think about how many people that have done things that just had no idea, well, you're going to be able to find that out? | ||
| And find it out on your phone. | ||
| Just... | ||
| And be able to access the person that said content is about. | ||
| Never in our history, in mankind's existence, have we been able to connect so effortlessly to so many different people. | ||
| A fan that doesn't like me can just get on Twitter and tell me that I'm a baby killer just because. | ||
| Or they can do anything, anytime, anywhere. | ||
| You can find out anything about anybody and then probably reach that person. | ||
| Especially a fighter or someone who's got a social media account or a presence. | ||
| Who doesn't have a social media account? | ||
| There's a few folks that I know that just avoid it all together, but they don't have to do it. | ||
| 350 million people here. | ||
| Almost all of them? | ||
| And Mexicans. | ||
| Gotta count Mexicans. | ||
| It's probably another 50 million? | ||
| At least. | ||
| Who knows how many? | ||
| I love Mexicans. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But there's a lot of them that aren't taking the census. | ||
| How often do you get fucked with on social media? | ||
| Oh, all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| I guess I'm like a polarizing figure. | ||
| I don't know how. | ||
| I think I'm kind of a likable guy, but for some reason... | ||
| People have a problem with strength. | ||
| People have a problem with confidence. | ||
| People have a problem with folks that have strong opinions or controversial opinions. | ||
| A lot of those. | ||
| Well, you know, you should. | ||
| I think anybody who's paying attention to the world and sees all the contradictory information that we're receiving, sees the chaos, just sees how fucked our political system is, our financial system, if you don't have strong opinions. | ||
| If you don't have controversial opinions, you're not paying attention. | ||
| Open your eyes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I can't tell you how many conversations I've had about gun control, just about guns itself. | ||
| I'm like, goddamn, guns aren't the problem. | ||
| It's people that use guns that are the problem. | ||
| You know that old adage, guns don't kill people, people kill people. | ||
| And people will fucking argue that to the end of time. | ||
| Goddammit, it's true. | ||
| Every time you go to the gas station, you've got a store in that gas station that sells lighters. | ||
| You've got fluid that comes out of a pump. | ||
| And anyone can just light people on fire. | ||
| I mean, anyone can do it. | ||
| It hasn't happened that often, but anyone can do it. | ||
| Or just take your car and turn two degrees to the right and run down the sidewalk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The option to kill is always there. | ||
| It's always there. | ||
| It's a choice. | ||
| But it's a tool, it's a mechanism that serves no other purpose. | ||
| A car can get you from point A to point B, so why do they need a gun if the only thing it does is kill? | ||
| I could say the same thing about a tractor if I wanted to. | ||
| If I wanted to make a killer tractor, the only thing that it's designed for is to kill because I put spikes on its wheels and it doesn't excavate anything besides human souls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's the choice to kill. | ||
| It's like, get over it. | ||
| People kill. | ||
| It is a way that they can do it easily, and that is an issue. | ||
| But it's also, why does a person have the ability to do that? | ||
| And how come so little effort and so little emphasis is on what causes a person to be able to disconnect or to be able to have so much hate and anger in their heart that they can kill a bunch of school children? | ||
| That they can use a gun to shoot up a mall. | ||
| Why isn't that the subject of discussion? | ||
| And why is it always the tool for madness? | ||
| It's not the madness itself. | ||
| It's the tool of madness. | ||
| But that same tool could be used by anyone else to do a million other things. | ||
| It's a bad analogy, but it's one that I always use with marijuana. | ||
| People go, oh, you could ruin your life if you smoke pot. | ||
| You could... | ||
| You could also take a hammer and hit yourself in the dick. | ||
| You know, should we make hammers illegal? | ||
| Because a hammer is just a tool. | ||
| If you take marijuana and just enjoy it and you don't hurt anybody, should that person be penalized because someone decided to just wake and bake every day and then fucking go into debt and wind up... | ||
| Humans are the problem. | ||
| And human weakness and a lack of character and all sorts of chemical imbalances. | ||
| Or the culture and the structure around the person that led them to subsequently make these horrific decisions and actions that they use, whatever tool, don't care what it is, gun, knife, everything up to that point is what we should, the emphasis of trying to understand or prevent and acknowledge and research should be done. | ||
| Not take away, you know... | ||
| Whatever it was that was the end conclusion, it's all the things up to that point that are important, that nobody pays attention to, nobody cares about. | ||
| That's what's ridiculous about any sort of control, gun control, knife control, bow and arrow control debate. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It's what constitutes—what makes a human being capable of horrific things. | ||
| And I think you're uniquely qualified for a bunch of reasons. | ||
| One, because you have a family. | ||
| You know what it's like to raise a person. | ||
| And two, you've seen the consequences of human beings when they're in this environment that is totally fucked— From the jump and you see these religious fanatics and you see fundamentalism, you see chaos and a land that's just overrun with it. | ||
| It's humans. | ||
| It's the development of humans. | ||
| In error. | ||
| They use the development, erroneously, like the development of human, the wrong way. | ||
| There's the right way. | ||
| Not there's the right way. | ||
| There's about a billion right ways. | ||
| And there's a couple of wrong ways. | ||
| And the couple of wrong ways end up with... | ||
| Bad products. | ||
| And it's, again, it's a sort of contradictory thing that through combat and through, you know, especially through martial arts, I think the deepest bond of commitment that I've ever experienced, outside of my family, is the friends that I've trained with and people that I've competed with. | ||
| That have just, you see them, you know who the fuck they are. | ||
| When you see a guy break in training, when you see a guy You know, with 30 seconds to go in the round, put his hands down on his knees and just take deep breaths and step away. | ||
| And then you see the coach go, get back in there! | ||
| And you see him suck it up and, you know, there's the guys who suck it up and there's the guys who don't. | ||
| And you see the difference. | ||
| You see who they are. | ||
| You see their soul. | ||
| And you learn about people that way in a way that a lot of folks don't ever get a chance to learn even about themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The refiner's fire is like this beautiful thing. | ||
| The what? | ||
| Say that again? | ||
| Refiner's fire. | ||
| Refiner's fire? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You take a metal. | ||
| Refineries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like when you're making a sword, you know, the folding process of heating it up and pounding out the impurities and folding it again and pounding out the impurities. | ||
| Like the hotter the fire, the more bad stuff gets cooked out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the same with people. | ||
| You put them in a room that's hot, put them in a gi that's hot, around a whole bunch of other dudes that are trying to choke each other out and kill you. | ||
| You get glimpses of the depth and hardness of somebody's character and soul. | ||
| And it's these awesome snapshots. | ||
| And even kids, down at the youngest level, putting them into competitions of martial arts, you see the exact same thing. | ||
| You see the development of this character and of somebody's soul as they get tougher and... | ||
| Deeper, you know, as a human. | ||
| And in these snapshots, you get a clear glimpse of who that person is. | ||
| What's part of them? | ||
| You're like, it's gorgeous. | ||
| Cron Gracie said it best. | ||
| He said, you know, I... Reserve judgment until I've trained with you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said, I think, you know, you seem like a nice guy, but I reserve judgment until I've trained with you, which is such a great way to put it. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people think, well, I don't want to fucking train you. | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It's just you should in your life do something difficult. | ||
| If it is not martial arts, maybe it's mountain climbing, maybe it's hiking, maybe it's anything. | ||
| Mud runs. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Do something that's hard to do. | ||
| Maybe it's write a book. | ||
| Find out what your fucking barriers are. | ||
| Because the most reprehensible thing, the thing that we all pretty much universally despise, is a spoiled rich kid. | ||
| A spoiled kid that never had to work for anything. | ||
| They were handed it their whole life. | ||
| Their parents never gave them values. | ||
| And what'd they do? | ||
| They grew up yelling at servants and then they become some rich asshole that's a sociopath. | ||
| I mean, that's a key character in so many movies, in so many books, literature. | ||
| We all can relate to that person who didn't earn it, who got that place without hard work and how gross they are. | ||
| I hate that pussy. | ||
| Fucking everybody does. | ||
| You're supposed to. | ||
| They're not supposed to be there. | ||
| It's not supposed to happen. | ||
| You're not supposed to win the lottery like that. | ||
| That fucks you up. | ||
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| The really remarkable ones that are the ones that could or have access to all of that and then choose not to, or on the total flip side, the guys that have access to none of that and challenge themselves and put themselves through hardships, the Aldos. | ||
| They have nothing, and just through hard work, determination, they become something. | ||
| Those are two complete polar opposites of a human that I adore. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the military, you see these guys, you're like this Ivy League, super rich, you're enlisted. | ||
| Why are you here? | ||
| You could have done anything. | ||
| They're like, I wanted to be here. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You're amazing. | ||
| And then the flip side, the Puerto Rican that his parents swam over here or on some horrible boat. | ||
| And, you know, they're one generation removed and they have, like, they put themselves through college or maybe they, like, joined the military so they could go to college and they're at this exact same point of their life as this rich yuppie guy that are just there because they want to see how far they can push themselves. | ||
| Yeah, human beings are just, we are just a mass of potential. | ||
| And it's awesome to see someone rise through adversity and reach a potential that elevates us all. | ||
| Because when you see someone reach their potential or reach a very high level of anything, it changes the way you look at what's possible. | ||
| When you see a guy who gets up at 6 o'clock in the morning, the alarm clock goes off, And he just fucking hits those hills and starts running and he does it every morning before work. | ||
| You go, fuck, I'm a bitch. | ||
| I'm just a weak bitch. | ||
| I don't do that. | ||
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| And then it changes your perspective. | ||
| You want to do that too. | ||
| You want to absorb a little bit of that guy's strength and that feeling that you get from being around that guy. | ||
| It's empowering. | ||
| Or you're one of those guys that diminishes that and tries to squash it because you're insecure and you want to tweet Tim Kennedy, you fucking bitch and fuck you and fuck the military, man. | ||
| There's folks like that, too. | ||
| I think that strength is the best antidote for a lot of the weaknesses that we find in our society that we consider to be strength, like bullies. | ||
| People say, what's the best solution to bullies? | ||
| Teach them how to fight. | ||
| Teach them all how to fight. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| I think that is a core problem with men. | ||
| Men have a giant fear hanging over their head all day long, and that is being dominated by other men. | ||
| You know, I mean, what led me to martial arts 100% was I was scared of dudes kicking my ass. | ||
| So I got into martial arts as a very young kid because of that. | ||
| And I think that the more kids, if we had programs in school where we taught martial arts to kids in class, You would have so few instances of bullying. | ||
| I think the dramatic decrease in bullying and the respect that people have for each other would change. | ||
| The respect that people have for themselves. | ||
| A bully cannot respect themselves. | ||
| They just can't. | ||
| Unless there's some sort of a complete sociopath, you're not going to be happy with yourself if you pick on someone smaller than you. | ||
| You're doing it because you're insecure. | ||
| But if you weren't insecure or you were less insecure or you had some sort of sense of personal sovereignty because of training, you would have less of this inclination to do something shitty to someone like that. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be cool to see. | ||
| Fuck yeah, man. | ||
| I think martial arts programs should be mandatory in school, just like they have P.E.'s mandatory for boys, especially. | ||
| Martial arts should be mandatory. | ||
| Yeah, you want to see your kid have discipline, focus, understanding of right and wrong, a little bit of confidence, restraint. | ||
| Put him in martial arts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did it so you didn't get beat up. | ||
| I did it because I was second born. | ||
| I was a crazy middle kid. | ||
| My dad's like, at a very early age, like, you are going to be doing martial arts. | ||
| So I was like nine, and I remember saying a bad word on the mat and having my sensei come up with a screamer stick and hit me in the back of the head. | ||
| I messed up in doing something. | ||
| He's like, ah. | ||
| And then I said a bad word when I messed up, and then pow! | ||
| I didn't say that bad word again, but more importantly, I was able to control myself, which was the necessary element that I needed. | ||
| And also the great feeling of accomplishment that you get when you learn that you can control yourself. | ||
| When you feel yourself improving, you feel your character improving, and you have a difficult situation and you navigate it successfully, and you go, oh, I'm a better person now than I was when I was... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| When I was young and stupid. | ||
| And that's just one of those things where everybody wants to be comfortable. | ||
| Everybody wants to look towards their golden age and everybody wants to retire and sit on the couch and put your feet up. | ||
| That's horseshit. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| You only can experience that and enjoy it if you've earned it. | ||
| No one wants to earn it. | ||
| The earning it is the most important part of your life. | ||
| Individual responsibility. | ||
| Nobody has it. | ||
| You gotta earn it. | ||
| You gotta work for it. | ||
| You gotta, you know... | ||
| And it's so much better when you do. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, that's why I think guys like you are important, man. | ||
| I think you set a great example on that. | ||
| I think you set a great example with your words. | ||
| I think you set a great example with your actions. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why I've been wanting to talk to you on the podcast. | ||
| You're a very inspirational guy, in my opinion. | ||
| I think the way you talk about things and the way you express yourself, it's admirable and I think it helps people. | ||
| It sets a very high standard and I think setting a high standard is one of the key things that young men and I'm sure young women as well need in life. | ||
| They need to see a high standard. | ||
| I'm not perfect. | ||
| I make mistakes probably way too much or more often than I like to admit. | ||
| But I'm always searching and seeking to get better. | ||
| And I think that's something that I always try to project. | ||
| And the only way to get there is like you've just said. | ||
| It's through hard work. | ||
| It's through determination. | ||
| It's through the amazing innate part of the human being, which is the ability to do. | ||
| You know, and to not quit and to have the inner strength to try to achieve and surpass whatever it was before. | ||
| And there's beauty in imperfection. | ||
| You know, this idea that you're going to be this enlightened Kwai Chang Kang character like in the TV show. | ||
| You got to take a leak? | ||
| Go ahead, head on. | ||
| I saw you drinking that gigantic smart water. | ||
| There's dudes who have bladders like mine who could just power through a three-hour podcast. | ||
| And then there's guys like Tim Kennedy. | ||
| You know, it's cool. | ||
| It's like, you know, we all learn. | ||
| We just, we show. | ||
| We show that there's higher levels. | ||
| My fucking bladder, bro. | ||
| It's like a duffel bag that you can carry guns in. | ||
| It's large and it's durable and it gets dirty and filled with liquid. | ||
| But don't worry about it. | ||
| I can hang in there. | ||
| What I was saying to Tim that's important is... | ||
| I think everybody has this idea that there's some guy out there that's like Jet Li, that's like a perfect person, some character. | ||
| The beauty really is in the imperfection. | ||
| The beauty is in knowing that we're all just these weird, flawed creatures that are trying to figure out. | ||
| It's not even that we're flawed, it's just that we're dealing with an impossible amount of variables that we're constantly navigating. | ||
| This idea that you should have gotten it right. | ||
| It's not what it is. | ||
| The idea is that you learn from what you get wrong, and then that thing you don't do the same way next time. | ||
| You say, you know what, I made a mistake the last time I was in a similar situation. | ||
| Now I know that, and so now I'm going to power through with the knowledge that I've accumulated in my life from my past mistakes. | ||
| That's a huge factor about being a person. | ||
| A huge factor is that we're all learning from each other and I said a lot of cool shit when you were gone. | ||
| But learning and learning from each other is the whole reason why it's great to have inspirational people to draw from and I think that now There's never been a time like this where you could just go on YouTube and you could be inspired for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. | ||
| You could watch videos of guys pushing through things. | ||
| Guys are doing fucking 100 mile ultra marathons and just seeing people talk about the things that inspire them and what pushes them. | ||
| There's never been a time like this where inspiration is available everywhere you look. | ||
| Not everybody's inspired the same way. | ||
| I think it's amazing to see a guy that has nothing do something remarkable. | ||
| Not the underdog, but that has no resources. | ||
| There's this guy in Austin, Texas. | ||
| He runs this running group called the Gilbert Gazelles. | ||
| The Hutu, when the genocide was occurring, he has these burns on his body because his family was murdered and he was piled into this pile of bodies and set on fire. | ||
| And once the militias left from the Hutu and Tutus, he got up and started running. | ||
| Then he went to the NCAA and started running there. | ||
| And then he went to the Olympics. | ||
| And now he runs. | ||
| He's an inspirational dude in Austin that just... | ||
| Tells people to run. | ||
| And he's one of the most remarkable human beings. | ||
| And there's tons of people out there that are so amazing and remarkable. | ||
| And if you just look, you can find them. | ||
| I love latching on to people like that and just trying to get into what's in there. | ||
| I don't want to say steal it, but I want some of that. | ||
| Well, you don't steal it because they still have it. | ||
| They'll always have it. | ||
| Yeah, but you absorb some of it. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| We surround ourselves with inspirational people and we become inspired. | ||
| Surround yourself with negative cunts and your life is going to be a wreck. | ||
| A lot of people don't realize that and they just try to work through these negative cunts in their life. | ||
| You've got to cut them off, man. | ||
| You've got to cut them off and keep moving because they will hold you back. | ||
| There are crabs in that bucket, and when you try to reach the top of that bucket, they will latch ahold of your little crab legs and drag you down with them. | ||
| My dad was so... | ||
| Retrospectively, my dad was so wise when he's like, no, you don't want those guys around you. | ||
| You're going to be who you surround yourself with. | ||
| I was like, whatever. | ||
| That guy is so cool. | ||
| I want to hang with that guy. | ||
| Now I'm like... | ||
| God dang it. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| How did he know so early? | ||
| There's always going to be people that will... | ||
| But those people are also important because you learn. | ||
| You learn from watching them fuck their lives up. | ||
| I've never done cocaine. | ||
| And one of the reasons why I never did cocaine is because I grew up with a buddy of mine whose cousin was selling cocaine. | ||
| And I watched this guy fall apart. | ||
| Him and his girlfriend would just do blow, and they would hide out in their place, and they would... | ||
| They had this attic apartment, and they would just fucking watch TV all day, and they would shrink. | ||
| Like, their fucking face was shrinking, their body was shrinking. | ||
| All they would do was do coke. | ||
| I didn't even know if they ate. | ||
| You know, and I watched this guy. | ||
| It was like a guy who got bit by a vampire and became, like, this disease thing. | ||
| And I went, whoa, keep the fuck away from coke. | ||
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| And I didn't have to do coke and go to rehab and pull myself out. | ||
| I lived 40 plus years of my life with no desire to do coke. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| And so it's not... | ||
| Always good. | ||
| You need losers. | ||
| You know, losers are there, too, for a reason. | ||
| The whole world was filled with inspirational winners. | ||
| Like, how would you figure out, where do we begin if everybody's a fucking winner? | ||
| No, you gotta see people who ring that bell, right? | ||
| You gotta see people who tap out quick. | ||
| You gotta see a guy who taps before the choke is even sunk in. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Or taps to strikes. | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes, you know, GSP versus Matt Serra, sometimes it's good to tap the strikes because the fight's over. | ||
| You're not going anywhere. | ||
| When the guy's on top of you dropping bombs and you're starting to see sparks and the elevator doors closing, do you think tapping the strikes is a bad idea? | ||
| I don't know if I have it in me. | ||
| I'm not saying it's a bad idea. | ||
| Maybe I should respect the guy that's smarter than I am. | ||
| I'm kind of like an oak. | ||
| I'm big, I'm strong, and I'm dumb. | ||
| I'm going to grow and I'm going to do what I do. | ||
| Maybe I wish I was smart enough to tap to strikes. | ||
| I don't think I am. | ||
| I don't think I have it in me to be like, okay, I'm not going to get out of here. | ||
| I'm just going to quit. | ||
| I don't think this is a problem with tapping and strikes, but I respect your viewpoint. | ||
| I know what you're saying, and I think you probably have to have that sort of mentality to be an elite-level competitor in something like MMA, where it's not even an option in your head. | ||
| These guys don't tap. | ||
| Look at fucking War Machine. | ||
| He just gets choked out. | ||
| There's a lot of guys that just say, I will never tap. | ||
| I will go out. | ||
| I will get my arm broken. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I'm not tapping. | ||
| It's not in there. | ||
| Yeah, it's not. | ||
| Look at Jon Jones. | ||
| We fought Vitor. | ||
| His arm was completely hyperextended. | ||
| Would not tap, let it get completely popped backwards, and then won the fight anyway. | ||
| Before you go to Special Forces Selection, there's this phase for guys off the street called SOPSI, Special Operations Preparation Course. | ||
| The only thing that is isn't a tritter. | ||
| They take like 400 dudes, and they end up sending 80 of them to selection. | ||
| The other 320 at some point either got broke or quit. | ||
| I remember seeing the gong that you go up and hit and it's like so longingly looking at that thing being like that's the smart thing to do like you know you have blisters in your feet that you've injected stuff into so that you can't so like your skin like glues back to what portion it separated itself from you know like you've lost 20 pounds in the course of 30 days and you're looking at that gong and you're like a smart person would go and hit that gong And I watch guys go up and do it, | ||
| and I was like, that's a smart person, probably. | ||
| I just didn't have it in me. | ||
| So, maybe I'm dumb. | ||
| I think that's my take. | ||
| I'm either, like, too dumb. | ||
| There's a balance there, and I think we're kind of agreeing with each other from different perspectives. | ||
| Well, I think that you're being self-deprecating when you're calling yourself dumb. | ||
| It's not a dumb thing, but... | ||
| If you wanted to be smart about the amount of punishment that you endure, yeah. | ||
| But if you wanted to build the highest level of character and durability and mental toughness possible, then it would be dumb to hit that gong. | ||
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| Because the benefits of not hitting that gong is what you are today. | ||
| I would have got a cup of coffee and a hot breakfast. | ||
| But you didn't. | ||
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| And you'd get a cup of coffee today and have the knowledge that you didn't hit that gong. | ||
| It's a good-looking gong. | ||
| I could go back. | ||
| You're a thick guy for 185 pounds. | ||
| You're built in a very muscular weight class. | ||
| Squat is the word my wife uses. | ||
| What do you walk around at before you start your cut? | ||
| Day of cut? | ||
| No. | ||
| If you had a fight that was four months from now and you don't have to worry about your weight, what are you going to weigh? | ||
| 220. 220. Wow. | ||
| And did you fight light heavyweight at all? | ||
| Yeah, I think I fought WC as heavyweight, IFL as a light heavyweight, middleweight, and then I've stayed at middleweight for a while. | ||
| So if you're walking around in the 200s, how do you navigate a weight cut to get down to 185 pounds? | ||
| Because that is a big issue in MMA, is that point of diminishing returns. | ||
| Where some guys, like Anthony Rumble Johnson, perfect example. | ||
| God, he's good at 205. Jesus Christ! | ||
| The kid was so fucking big in between fights. | ||
| I would see him walking around. | ||
| He was fighting at 170, he fought Kevin Burns, and I saw him like, two months later, he was 230. I go, what the fuck are you eating? | ||
| He's a house! | ||
| He was bigger than Fedor. | ||
| I mean, he was on Inside MMA with Fedor, and he was towering over him. | ||
| Wider, thicker, you're like... | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| And then finally he gets his shit together, decides to come back as a light heavyweight and dominate Phil Davis at 205. And you're like, okay, this kid was obviously past the point of diminishing returns. | ||
| He was diminishing his own ability to perform by cutting so much weight. | ||
| What is that number? | ||
| I think it's different for every athlete and person. | ||
| When I'm 215, 220, I feel like I'm a juggernaut. | ||
| I never have training-related injuries. | ||
| I'm running an extra 3-4% body fat. | ||
| I'm just all around healthier. | ||
| My brain's working right. | ||
| My libido's good. | ||
| I'm sleeping very soundly all 8 hours. | ||
| Everything's great. | ||
| When I'm down to that 195-193 pre-cut type weight, where I'm like that 5% body fat, my brain's not firing on all cylinders. | ||
| I'm It's... | ||
| Libido's rough. | ||
| You're training three, four times a day. | ||
| Like, just things suck. | ||
| You know, everything hurts. | ||
| You get down to 5% body fat when you're like 195? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you doing... | ||
| How are you measuring it? | ||
| Pinch tests and water stuff. | ||
| The water tanks and then the calipers. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's really low. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| And then you're going to cut another 10 pounds on top of that. | ||
| But that's just water. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 10 pounds of water. | ||
| I think my final cut's usually like 8 pounds. | ||
| But my body doesn't... | ||
| I don't think it even recognizes... | ||
| I'll cut... | ||
| I fought Michael Bisping... | ||
| I was probably 205 when I fought him. | ||
| I weighed in at 186 the day before, and then 30 hours later, I've been eating and drinking, and... | ||
| Feeling fantastic. | ||
| Do you IV? Do you recoup for that? | ||
| How many bags do you use? | ||
| 1,500 milliliters to 2,000 milliliters, like the Gringer. | ||
| I honestly don't know fighters that don't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And nowadays, yeah, pretty much everybody does, unless you're like a Frankie Edgar that literally weighs in at what he fights at. | ||
| Maybe he's like putting some weights in his pocket. | ||
| Yeah, Frankie fought at 155 and weighed 155. Leota Machida fought at 203 for the longest time and weighed in at 203 for a 205-pound weight class. | ||
| But look how good he is at 185. Yeah, better. | ||
| Much better. | ||
| So the diminished returns, it's different for everybody. | ||
| I'm 5'11". | ||
| I have a 73-inch reach. | ||
| There's no way... | ||
| I can hang with the 205ers that have 86-inch reaches that are 6'4". | ||
| Yeah, I might be as strong as they are, but I'm like, as Brian Stan calls me, like a squat little hobbit, angry hobbit, sometimes troll. | ||
| Endearingly, he refers to me as these things, but he's right, and I just can't reach him. | ||
| Like John Jones runs around the cage and jabs me to death, and then when I try to athletically explode in, then he violates me with something painful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you ever think about going 170? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| Definitely possible. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've honestly had Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks. | ||
| I would cut to fight Robbie. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because you beat Robbie in Strikeforce? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you walk around at 205 or 220 rather, is it because you're lifting a lot of weights? | ||
| Is it because you're doing a lot of... | ||
| Yeah, yes. | ||
| I treat the annual cycle of fight camp, post-fight camp, pre-fight camp, fight camp, fight. | ||
| If you look at an NFL player, they have that pre-season where they're trying to get their body strong and healthy so that when they go into the season, they have everything that they need to perform during that season. | ||
| So my pre-fight camp right now, where I'm lifting a lot of weights, doing a high volume of work, where I'm working on... | ||
| My sparring stuff now is a lot more drill oriented. | ||
| I'm not burning tons of calories, grappling or boxing or sparring, kickboxing. | ||
| I'm lifting a lot of weights, so my body's responsibly getting healthy, big and strong again. | ||
| I'm getting my technique better. | ||
| So when I move into that fight camp, I have this mold of clay that's totally healthy that can be shaped into what needs to be shaped to be executed for a particular fight. | ||
| So when you think about like 220 and a guy like Rumble Johnson who used to weigh somewhere around that even heavier and get down to 170. It's crazy talk. | ||
| If you were going to get down to 170 if Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks... | ||
| How would you do that? | ||
| Would you cut out the weightlifting and start doing marathon running? | ||
| What would you do to get yourself leaner? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Would it be leaner or would it be less muscle? | ||
| A little bit of both. | ||
| I definitely have to lose a little bit of muscle to be able to... | ||
| And how would you do that? | ||
| By not lifting? | ||
| Just changing the type of lifting that I'm doing. | ||
| I'm not doing those three rep maxes of deadlift at 400 or 500 pounds. | ||
| Is that what you do these days? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right now, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I'm loving it. | ||
| I did shrugs yesterday. | ||
| Just shrugs? | ||
| Well, not just shrugs, but I got to do shrugs. | ||
| I was asking my strength to go, can we do some curls? | ||
| He's like, shut your mouth! | ||
| You know, straps that you use on bars. | ||
| I'm never allowed to touch those. | ||
| I was looking at those like... | ||
| How about I use some straps? | ||
| Grab the bar and do some more weight. | ||
| He's like, no. | ||
| The point of departure has come. | ||
| He's like, come back to me, Tim. | ||
| We're not doing curls. | ||
| I'll let you do shrugs. | ||
| But that's all. | ||
| So straps being you don't do straps because you only want to lift what your hands can hold up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| Yeah, I don't ever use straps. | ||
| I see people using straps and I get it. | ||
| My ego wants to use straps. | ||
| Functionally, though, it should be whatever you could carry with your hands, too. | ||
| Especially for a grappler, right? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So you would just start doing high reps? | ||
| Yeah, high volume, a lot more speed. | ||
| I think I'd have to be faster, too, at 170. Watching these guys, they're just like, all over the place. | ||
| You see Damien Maia, when he dropped down to 170 and fought Rick Storey. | ||
| And you see the difference in the amount of physical strength that he had over a guy who was used to fighting at 170. It's a big leap. | ||
| Do you think there should be more weight classes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| Yeah, I think that like 185 to 205, Jesus fucking Christ, that's 20 pounds. | ||
| There should be three champions in between those weight classes. | ||
| Or at least two. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you look at a guy from, I'll go all the way down from like 155 to 205. You know, you have 55, 70, 85. You have four weight classes from 155 to 205. That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think it's crazy. | ||
| And I think that, you know, a lot of people say that boxing is watered down by all the weight classes. | ||
| I think it's watered down by all the titles, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a welterweight class at 147 and then a junior middleweight at 154 and then a middleweight at 160. The six pounds between 154 and 160 is fucking significant. | ||
| Six pounds is significant. | ||
| 20 pounds is crazy. | ||
| And I just think that there's just a lot of fighters who are tweeners, like Diego Sanchez. | ||
| I think Diego should be fighting at 165. You know, I think when he gets to 155, I think he's too diminished. | ||
| He's too scrawny. | ||
| When he fights at 170... | ||
| He's a little soft. | ||
| He's a little small for some of those really big, giant dudes. | ||
| I think I'm kind of between 185 and 170. Yeah. | ||
| Like my shape, you know, like my reach, my height. | ||
| You know, like I would love there to be like a 180. Yeah, I think there really should be more of that. | ||
| I mean, those are the things that I would like the UFC to change. | ||
| The downward elbows, the knees on the ground, and more weight classes. | ||
| We've solved a lot of problems. | ||
| Dana, can we go ahead and execute these things that Joe and I have concurred on from today's podcast? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not even Dana. | ||
| It's the athletic commissions. | ||
| That's what's really crazy, is that it's sanctioned by athletic commissions, and you really don't have that much influence over athletic commissions. | ||
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Any... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, now that Keith Kaiser's gone, maybe they have a little bit more, but I don't know how much they listen. | ||
| I wish they would listen about a few things. | ||
| Certainly downward elbows, and certainly at least consider revamping the scoring system, and then adding weight classes. | ||
| What other things about weight cutting do you find that are an issue? | ||
| Like, there's obviously an issue with... | ||
| Injuries, and there's obviously an issue with diminishing health. | ||
| Do you worry about the long-term repercussions? | ||
| There was an article recently, Jim Miller was talking about weight cutting. | ||
| He's like, I know I've taken years off my life through weight cutting. | ||
| Do you worry about that? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I am really conscious about my brain. | ||
| When I'm cutting weight, I love reading. | ||
| I love writing. | ||
| Creative writing, too. | ||
| I love... | ||
| Do you write a blog? | ||
| Do you keep a blog or anything? | ||
| Yeah, for me. | ||
| Just for you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you going to publish it someday? | ||
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Maybe. | |
| There are a couple of times where I wrote some blogs when I was deployed. | ||
| Letters from a foreign land. | ||
| And people love... | ||
| I'm an okay writer. | ||
| I'm not the best. | ||
| Anyways, everybody's the worst critic. | ||
| And when I'm cutting, my brain doesn't work right. | ||
| I feel it. | ||
| And then when you're getting hit in the head while you're cutting... | ||
| From guys like John Jones and Carlos Condit. | ||
| Life sucks. | ||
| Your brain sucks. | ||
| My eyes are wide open that there's physically going to be some repercussions to me fighting. | ||
| From me jumping out of airplanes. | ||
| At what point do I say... | ||
| I'm not going to do this because it hurts me in the long term. | ||
| You're 34. Do you have a cutoff? | ||
| Do you have an age where you're like, this is the age where I don't want to be doing this anymore? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| What age is that? | ||
| I can't tell you. | ||
| You can't tell me. | ||
| But you have a number in your head where you would like a goal to reach? | ||
| I love Randy Couture and Dan Henderson. | ||
| They had some of the greatest fights towards the end of their career. | ||
| I am not going to be fighting at 40. I'm not going to be fighting in my late 30s. | ||
| Oh, you told me the number then. | ||
| You're leaving out five years. | ||
| You have a window there. | ||
| Yeah, you've got a five-year window then. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, no way. | ||
| I got too much I want to do. | ||
| What do you want to do? | ||
| I want to change people's lives. | ||
| I want to be able to impart individual responsibility to people. | ||
| I want to save some animals. | ||
| I want to hunt some more. | ||
| I want to make some awesome TV shows. | ||
| What kind of TV shows? | ||
| So Duck Dynasty. | ||
| No, I do not want to do Duck Dynasty at all. | ||
| And I don't even think I've ever seen a full episode. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| Maybe I've seen like three quarters of an episode. | ||
| You done lost your redneck. | ||
| I ain't lost my redneck. | ||
| Those guys took values that they wanted to project and they figured out a conduit to do it. | ||
| We might call them idiots and they have horrible accents and they do stupid things. | ||
| But they had a set of morals that they try to convey and they found an avenue to reach millions of people. | ||
| You know, like, I want that platform because I have some good things to say. | ||
| And I think I want to have an opportunity to make a difference. | ||
| Why don't you do a podcast? | ||
| Start off with a podcast. | ||
| Do a podcast now. | ||
| Be like one of the first MMA guys. | ||
| I mean, Brendan Schaub does one with Brian Callen, but Brendan's kind of a meathead, let's be honest. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| You're intimidating and smart. | ||
| How could I compete with the Joe Rogan? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Fuck out. | ||
| Don't blow smoke up my ass, sir. | ||
| I know what you're doing. | ||
| I'm not that smart. | ||
| You are. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I was warned. | ||
| Don't get into an argument with Joe because he doesn't forget anything and he's deceivingly smart. | ||
| I was like, I'm aware of these things. | ||
| Well, I definitely look dumber than I am, for sure. | ||
| But that's not saying much, because I look really fucking stupid. | ||
| I use that to my benefit as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was like, I'm an infantryman, I'm a grunt, I'm an MMA fighter. | ||
| I'm dumb. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Go ahead, talk shit to me. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, I've definitely, I smoked a lot of weed. | ||
| I've got plenty of brain damage going on. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I'm not nearly as dumb as I look. | ||
| I look way fucking dumber. | ||
| I think you would be great on a podcast. | ||
| The beautiful thing about a podcast is... | ||
| And I fucking swear to God, everybody who comes on my podcast is like, you should have a podcast. | ||
| I'm like trying to give... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't believe... | ||
| It's not that I don't believe in competitions. | ||
| I have the exact opposite of a famine mentality. | ||
| I think there's 300 million fucking people out there. | ||
| Everybody could support everybody and there's still plenty to go around. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| Obviously my bladder even can't handle the podcast at this length. | ||
| So we've already discovered a limitation to... | ||
| Well, in your defense, you have a one liter smart water and you've drank a big cup of Bulletproof coffee. | ||
| There's a lot of liquids in there. | ||
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It was. | |
| And it's also just stamina. | ||
| I probably couldn't keep up with your strength and conditioning program and you can't keep up with my bladder program. | ||
| My bladder is like a fucking, it's like a leather satchel back in the old days. | ||
| It used to make them out of buffalo skins. | ||
| Strong, durable, last a lifetime. | ||
| Hand it down to your grandchildren. | ||
| You could easily do a podcast, dude. | ||
| And the beautiful thing about it is that no one would be able to tell you what to do. | ||
| No one would tell you what to say, what to talk about. | ||
| You wouldn't have to converse with producers. | ||
| I want the access to the audience to influence lives. | ||
| Would my words have enough meaning to draw in enough people? | ||
| Of course they would. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| They are doing that right now. | ||
| Right now, millions of people are going to listen to this. | ||
| If I jump out of an airplane, you know, into the water, you know, into the ocean with a whole bunch of sharks and go swim with them, like, people are going to tune into that. | ||
| Yeah, but what if you get eaten? | ||
| I'll survive. | ||
| And then they're like, this whole thing is fucked now. | ||
| But then I get out of the water. | ||
| I'll survive, he says. | ||
| And I can talk to them. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| Sixteen million people watched Tim parachute out of this plane into shark-infested waters. | ||
| Oh, you're out of your mind. | ||
| And then rode a motorcycle up onto the beach. | ||
| But then I have him. | ||
| But you have him already, man. | ||
| You don't have to do that. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| You don't have to do that. | ||
| You've already done enough that you're qualified. | ||
| You're a qualified, legit badass. | ||
| The idea that you're going to parachute into sharks and that's going to change everybody. | ||
| Well, the guy's a fucking pussy. | ||
| Sharks? | ||
| Oh, he's got me. | ||
| Let's sit down and listen to what Tim has to say. | ||
| You're so powerful. | ||
| Joe Rogan just broke his microphone. | ||
| I think this microphone was... | ||
| I'll just hold on to it until we're done. | ||
| Bare hands. | ||
| This microphone is made from a... | ||
| Made in a foreign land where quality is not valued. | ||
| You easily, dude, could do a podcast. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| You do a lot of videos too with Ranger Up, right? | ||
| If you call them that. | ||
| I call them that. | ||
| What was the one where you did the Black Swan thing? | ||
| That was Interpretive Dance. | ||
| Can we show that? | ||
| Yeah, that's fine. | ||
| Pull it up. | ||
| What's the name of that? | ||
| I think it's Tim Kennedy Black Swan. | ||
| Pull up Tim Kennedy Black Swan and I'll try to fix this microphone while that's happening. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But the problem you're going to have with doing a television show is producers. | ||
| Because they're going to look at you and they're going to try to put you in a mold and they're going to try to get you to do a bunch of fake shit. | ||
| They do fake shit, man. | ||
| They fake shit. | ||
| I had a problem with fake shit on my sci-fi show. | ||
| They faked a bunch of shit and I didn't find out about it until it was aired. | ||
| And I came on the podcast and I apologized and I didn't know. | ||
| It was a huge fucking problem, and that was on a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. | ||
| I'm trying to find the truth about these things, and their instinct is still to fake shit, and to put fake shit in that you don't even know about. | ||
| I wouldn't respond well to that. | ||
| It's fucking horrible. | ||
| I'm not very malleable. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| That's why a podcast is perfect. | ||
| You have a very unique vision, and your unique vision is qualified by your unique life experiences. | ||
| Any Hollywood douchebag is not going to understand that. | ||
| And they're going to try to mold you in what they think could be more profitable for the network. | ||
| Yeah, but they would also have to sleep at night and they'd be scared of what I could do to them once they go to bed. | ||
| They would, but they wouldn't. | ||
| They live in gated communities and they fucking hire people to keep an eye out for you. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| Here, play that and I'll fix this thing. | ||
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Hello and welcome to Masterpiece Theatre. | |
| Here is a scene from Black Swan performed by MMA fighter and Special Forces operator Tim Kennedy. | ||
| I had the craziest dream last night about a boy who was turned into a swan, but a queen falls for the wrong guy, and he kills himself. | ||
| *music* | ||
| *music* For the folks who are not watching this, please watch this. | ||
| Go to YouTube. | ||
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What compelled you to do this? | |
| So, the movie Black Swan, obviously. | ||
| Well, Natalie Portman is beautiful. | ||
| She is beautiful. | ||
| And my mom used to make us take dancing lessons. | ||
| So, as you can see, there's some skill here. | ||
| You just can't do this stuff. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That is scary. | ||
| Your mom made you take dance and your dad made you take martial arts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Cooking classes with my mom. | ||
| Cooking classes? | ||
| Yep, hunting with my dad. | ||
| That makes a balanced person. | ||
| That's like Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings. | ||
| He believed that every warrior should also be well-versed in poetry and calligraphy and art. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It wasn't by choice. | ||
| I was like, yeah, let's go to ballroom dancing and learn how to swing dance. | ||
| Ballroom dancing? | ||
| Oh, yeah, she got them all. | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| I'd have probably moved out. | ||
| I was like 11. I didn't have a choice. | ||
| Yeah, I would have found someone to take me. | ||
| Motivation was having fun. | ||
| If you don't enjoy and have fun in life and be able to laugh at yourself and put on a tutu and dance around like a beautiful fairy, butterfly, swan, both the black and white version, and be able to understand... | ||
| The transition, the metamorphosis from the black to white swan, it's a scary process. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Once you understand that about yourself, there's really nothing more frightening that you could do in the rest of your life. | ||
| If I was that guy from, what is that show, Inside the Actor's Studio? | ||
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Is that analogous to your transition as a fighter? | |
| I really, really try to personify Are you the black swan or the white swan when you fight? | ||
| In me, it's the journey to the black swan. | ||
| I'm neither. | ||
| It's like the scary down the rabbit hole. | ||
| I took the blue pill and now I'm becoming the black swan and there's violent, scary things on the way there. | ||
| That's where I try to fight at, is on the journey to the black swan. | ||
| Is that why you come out to the rooster? | ||
| No, I come out to the Rooster because it's a badass song. | ||
| It is a badass song. | ||
| Roosters like to fight. | ||
| They do like to fight, but the song's about Vietnam. | ||
| It's about Vietnam vets, the 101st. | ||
| They used to call the machine gunners the Rooster on the team. | ||
| Is that Alice in Chains? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So like POWs, MIA, Vietnam Vets, all of them, that song, the song was written by the lead singer about his father who disenchanted, they grew apart, and he kind of resented him for being in the war, and then he kind of had this revelation that he had to, he didn't have a choice. | ||
| So he wrote that song to reconnect with his father, who was a Vietnam vet. | ||
| So that song has a lot of meaning to me and my community, veterans. | ||
| When I walk out of that song, man, there's like... | ||
| I feel like there's nothing... | ||
| You could hit me with a freight train, and I wouldn't care. | ||
| I'd grab the portions of my body and try to keep fighting. | ||
| It's a great fucking song for you, man. | ||
| There's certain songs that just sort of... | ||
| You hear that song, and you know that guy's fighting. | ||
| There's Country Boy Can't Survive, when Matt Hughes fights. | ||
| You know, there's just no getting around it. | ||
| Stranglehold, when Benavidez fights, Joseph Benavidez fights, he comes out to Ted Nugent, Stranglehold, which is a great fucking song for him. | ||
| You know, it's just there's certain songs that just personify a fighter. | ||
| You know, that's a good one for you, man. | ||
| I'll have it forever. | ||
| That's my song. | ||
| Do they give you any pressure about songs? | ||
| Do they, like, you have to approve it? | ||
| Because I know... | ||
| Uriah Faber, he always comes out the California love, but he wanted to do Going Back to Cali, and they wouldn't let him do it. | ||
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I don't think it's the UFC, Zufa. | |
| I'm not sure it's them, because they have to get rights to use that music in the production, and I have no idea how... | ||
| You know, legally that occurs. | ||
| So sometimes they have a list of what you're allowed to do. | ||
| You know, there are some fight promotions where like, alright, you know, submit your song that you want to walk out to two weeks before and we'll see if it's approved or if we can get approval. | ||
| You know, it's, I don't know, I have no idea how it works, but thank God I can walk out to Rooster because I'd be really sad if I couldn't. | ||
| Yeah, it's perfect for you. | ||
| I'm glad that you have an exit strategy because there are a lot of fighters that don't and the saddest thing to me is a guy who looks at fighting as everything. | ||
| Like that is all they're capable of, that is all they're ever going to be capable of. | ||
| They don't know what to do next and they get out of it and they have this thing. | ||
| Where they're diminished. | ||
| Like, you could see their aura is diminished. | ||
| You know, if you believe in auras. | ||
| But whoever they are, like, seems less when you're around them than who they were when they were competing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's nothing more tragic than seeing the guy that bled and sweat for your entertainment. | ||
| And at the end of his career, you know, he wasn't smart or he didn't do things... | ||
| How he should have. | ||
| And then at the end of his career, he has nothing. | ||
| He's fought 20 fights. | ||
| He's broken physically and mentally. | ||
| And there's nothing left in him. | ||
| And he has no resources to continue his life. | ||
| I have Ranger Up, a company that I'm intimately part of. | ||
| I have great relationships with partners that are going to go outside of the cage when I'm done fighting. | ||
| That are going to be part of whatever TV series that I'm in. | ||
| But... | ||
| It breaks my heart seeing these guys that at the end of their careers, they have nothing. | ||
| And you're just like... | ||
| Yeah, it breaks my heart too. | ||
| And I've seen it so many times that it just drives me fucking nuts, man. | ||
| It just drives me nuts. | ||
| I almost want to grab them in the middle when they're peaking and go, listen, man, this is beautiful, but it ain't gonna last. | ||
| You gotta have something else. | ||
| You gotta have something that you have as much passion for as you do this. | ||
| Maybe that's one area where you have an advantage and you've been in so many life-or-death struggles, firefights, being deployed overseas, seeing life and death, and your perspective is far broader than a person who's just been an athlete. | ||
| Just been an athlete that has just sought glory and believes that that is the end-all be-all. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You know, I definitely have this perspective that... | ||
| We have a shelf life as an athlete. | ||
| And it's short. | ||
| It's this window of opportunity that if you don't capitalize on it, it's come and it's gone. | ||
| And most people don't understand that. | ||
| We have this window to our earning potential small for an athlete. | ||
| I never had that. | ||
| This is something that I wanted to do. | ||
| I wanted to be champion. | ||
| I want to be champion. | ||
| And that's what I'm trying to achieve in this window. | ||
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Not... | |
| If I don't achieve it in that window, I can move on to the next thing to then achieve the next thing that I'm trying to do. | ||
| But these guys that go in there, the Mike Tyson's a perfect example of where he literally pissed it all away. | ||
| And then at the end of, what happened to $230 million that you had? | ||
| You're bankrupt? | ||
| Didn't you just stash away 10? | ||
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You could live off 10 for a long fucking time, man. | |
| Just take 10. Blow 220. Yeah, it is crazy when you see those stories, but it's almost like the hubris that allows you to be a combat athlete in a lot of ways. | ||
| This idea that I'm different. | ||
| Or like your idea that you're going to fucking parachute into sharks, you're going to be fine. | ||
| I'll be fine. | ||
| I'm not like that poor fuck that was triathlon training off the coast of San Diego and got bitten in half in front of his friends. | ||
| That happens, bro. | ||
| It happens to anybody that gets in there. | ||
| It's a bad world. | ||
| The ocean's a bad world. | ||
| It's a scary place. | ||
| I don't like it at all. | ||
| Sharks are beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, they're beautiful when you have them filleted over a grill. | ||
| It's delicious as well. | ||
| 170, this is the last question. | ||
| Do you think that your best chance for a title would be at 170? | ||
| No, I think I'm close either. | ||
| Next fight, you know, who Joe Silva gives me is, you know, if it's the Vito Belfort, it's the Jock Rays, you know, that puts me right there. | ||
| You know, I'm number six. | ||
| I beat number two, three guy. | ||
| That's the title fight. | ||
| You know, I'm 4-0 in the UFC just beating in a title eliminator. | ||
| My last two fights have been five-rounder main events. | ||
| You know, how can you not say, so am I potentially one fight away? | ||
| Mark Munoz and Mousasi are fighting. | ||
| Could I potentially be fighting the winner of that fight? | ||
| That's definitely in the realm too. | ||
| And if that's the case, then maybe I am two fights away. | ||
| If I cut down to 170, I don't think they'd let me fight for the title. | ||
| I'd still be one fight away. | ||
| Maybe two. | ||
| So, no, I don't think I'd be any closer. | ||
| Would physically, the physicality of me being a bigger 170 than a lot of guys, stronger than 170, yes, there'd be benefits there. | ||
| But again, diminished returns. | ||
| What am I giving up for that in exchange for? | ||
| Do you look at the window that you have? | ||
| I mean, we've established that you think you have a five-year window. | ||
| I know you don't want to give up the number, but you already did. | ||
| Do you look at that and say, well, if I do get to a title shot at 185, how much time would I have left to work myself up to a title shot at 170, or would I regroup and try again at 185 if I wasn't successful the first attempt? | ||
| Do you have those thoughts in your head, or do you just think about next fight? | ||
| No, I definitely have those thoughts in my head. | ||
| I love having... | ||
| The 5 meter target, that's the super close thing that I'm looking at. | ||
| That I'm like, this is the goal that I'm trying to achieve. | ||
| I'm trying to get a perfect grouping right here. | ||
| That's that potential next opponent. | ||
| That's that guy that's ranked 2, 3, 4. So I can get a title eliminator type fight. | ||
| But then I see the long road. | ||
| We're like, okay, I fight in that fight. | ||
| I win. | ||
| I'm fighting for the title and I lose the title. | ||
| Can I kind of chael son in it and talk my way into another title fight at a different weight class? | ||
| Chael son in it is an interesting way to describe it because that's what a lot of people are doing now. | ||
| Yeah, dude, when your name has become a verb, you know, like, dude, he just totally got Chael Sonnen. | ||
| Well, Chael's a master wordsmith. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| You did a great fucking job Chael Sonnen-ing it with this Michael Bisping fight, though. | ||
| Both of you did. | ||
| I mean, it got interesting, and I was very happy that you guys sort of sorted it out inside the Octagon, and you both gave each other a lot of respect, but god damn, there was a lot going back and forth between you two. | ||
| Yeah, we're never going to be friends, you know, but when you hit... | ||
| I hit him so hard, so like... | ||
| I had the same performance in strikes landed in percentage that Jon Jones to Teixeira did as I did to Michael Bisping. | ||
| I hit that guy that many times. | ||
| You blasted him with some hard shots. | ||
| He took them. | ||
| He took them. | ||
| I know I hit hard. | ||
| I put guys down in the gym with way less. | ||
| I'm wearing four-ounce gloves and Michael Bisping was like, Hey, I'm here for 25 minutes. | ||
| You're not going to put me away. | ||
| How can you not respect a guy for that? | ||
| He's definitely a tough dude. | ||
| He's very, very determined. | ||
| He's also, like, you gotta give it up for him for mental toughness. | ||
| Just not even considering retiring, the fact that he's fucked his eye up, had two eye surgeries, not even, it's just, it's just a thing, I'm gonna pull aside, get back in the gym, you know, work on me striking, you know. | ||
| He's tough as they come. | ||
| He's a born fighter. | ||
| That's what he's supposed to be doing. | ||
| Is he the personification of our nightmare? | ||
| In two, three fights, let's say he loses two more fights, that is the end of his career. | ||
| His eye is going to be permanently damaged the rest of his life. | ||
| How much brain damage has he had and how many fights and how many sparring preparations for a fight has he had? | ||
| Now he's done, and he's out of the limelight, and he's broken. | ||
| Was he smart enough to prepare for that? | ||
| I think he was, but he is that example of he left everything in the cage time and time again. | ||
| At 24 minutes of the fifth round, that dude was still trying to get up from me. | ||
| When the 30-second call was from our corners, he started coming right at me after I just dominated him for 24 and a half minutes. | ||
| Yeah, he wasn't giving up. | ||
| I was still trying to win that fight. | ||
| Dude, what a great... | ||
| He's a tough dude, no doubt about it. | ||
| And he's got some serious problems. | ||
| He's got a real injury to his neck that's affecting the strength of his arm. | ||
| He's as tough as they come. | ||
| He's definitely as tough as they come. | ||
| But I know what you're saying as far as guys that accumulate injuries and then they get to a certain point in time. | ||
| Like, what is left? | ||
| There's a lot of guys that have done far less work. | ||
| You know, less successful than him that their bodies have given out along the way. | ||
| It's a fucking hurt game. | ||
| It's the hurt game, and the hurt game is along the way. | ||
| Just the amount of accumulation of damage that you get in training. | ||
| Forget about it. | ||
| That's what most casual fans just have no idea. | ||
| You see little cuts, a little bit of blood, a little bit of sweat in the fight. | ||
| That's nothing. | ||
| You know, like, leading up to my 25-minute fight with Michael Bisping, like, my sparring partners were, like, Bob McDaniel and Carlos Condit when they were peaking for their fights. | ||
| And then they moved on, and then, you know, I had Jon Jones, myself, like, this room full of dudes that are... | ||
| The best in the world. | ||
| And if we're sparring two times a week for six, seven, eight weeks, you know, like leading up to that fight, you know, and like we're hitting each other just as hard there as we are in the cage, you know, because you have to... | ||
| Push yourself as far as you can in training so that the best element of who you and what you are occurs in the cage. | ||
| How do you feel about that as far as sparring hard? | ||
| Do you think that you have to spar as hard as you fight? | ||
| Or do you think that there's a way... | ||
| Robbie Lawler famously said that he doesn't really spar. | ||
| Much anymore. | ||
| Yeah, he said he knows how to fight. | ||
| He said it's just about getting in shape and working on his technique. | ||
| I spar way less than I used to. | ||
| I... And on very rare occasions do I really go all out. | ||
| But I think there are times in a fight camp where both your coaches need to see you and you need to see yourself when you're trying to do it all. | ||
| When you're broken, when you're hurt, when you're tired. | ||
| And sometimes the only way to get there is to push yourself to the limit. | ||
| And the only way to get there is... | ||
| And so you have to feel what it's like to be inside that position, to be inside that Position where you're just duking it out at a hundred percent. | ||
| There's no holding back. | ||
| You know what it's like to be exhausted. | ||
| You know what it's like to be stung. | ||
| You know what it's like to be hurt. | ||
| You know what it's like to bounce back from being dominated in a training session. | ||
| There's no substitution for that actual fight. | ||
| No. | ||
| In grappling, am I in a position for me to work on an escape of an arm bar? | ||
| No, there's a thousand ways that I could have prevented ever getting there, but I still have to see what it's like to get out of it. | ||
| And the only way I'll ever see what it's like to get out of it is if I'm actually put in it. | ||
| So it's the same in fighting. | ||
| When I... I thought I had really hurt my hand in the first round. | ||
| I sit down and I come out the second round and I just tanked. | ||
| Pain, adrenaline dumps against Mike. | ||
| I come back to the corner at the end of the second round and they're like, alright, so you're going to lose this fight if you do that. | ||
| I was at the pits. | ||
| My hands hurt. | ||
| I wasn't sure if I could throw my right hand again. | ||
| But you threw it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was wrong with it? | ||
| Broken. | ||
| It was broken. | ||
| But it's okay now. | ||
| I have the brace in the car that I'm supposed to be wearing. | ||
| I'm just embarrassed. | ||
| What's broken on it? | ||
| The metal carpal on this right here. | ||
| How bad is it broken? | ||
| Not super bad. | ||
| Just a hairline fracture? | ||
| Yeah, hairline fracture. | ||
| They said six weeks in a cast, and I was like, I can't handle a cast, so they gave me a brace. | ||
| Just jump in the fucking ocean and have the sharks take care of it. | ||
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| Dude, you're a crazy man. | ||
| But that's why you do what you do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, we're out of time. | ||
| Tim Kennedy, you're a bad motherfucker. | ||
| This is a blast. | ||
| This is a very fun podcast. | ||
| Long time coming. | ||
| We've got to do it again. | ||
| And please, do one of your own, man. | ||
| Please. | ||
| You'd be awesome at it. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Follow Tim online. | ||
| You can get a hold of him on Twitter, but be nice, you fuckheads. | ||
| Don't be a dickwad, alright? | ||
| TimKennedyMMA on Twitter. | ||
| Do you have a website? | ||
| Yeah, Tim Kennedy MMA. Facebook's Tim Kennedy MMA. Instagram's Tim Kennedy MMA. It's Tim Kennedy MMA. Tim Kennedy MMA, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thank you very much, brother. | ||
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