Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt Steve Maxwell (48 when he earned his belt) contrasts raw milk’s historical athletic benefits with modern homogenized dairy, citing Eastern Bloc steroid shifts post-1950 and Elio Gracie’s farm diet. He details early struggles—from wrestling to arm-wrestling wins—before mastering jiu-jitsu under Helsing Gracie, emphasizing technique over brute force after Hoist’s brutal 10-minute roll. Maxwell critiques UFC’s weight-cutting culture, steroid use, and CrossFit’s impracticality for combat athletes, advocating natural conditioning like HIIT and Ikaria-inspired diets. Now blending Sistema’s breathwork with mobility routines, he plans new video releases, a Men’s Health reality show pitch, and sold-out seminars (May 3–24), warning against genetic engineering eroding sports’ revered traits like grit. [Automatically generated summary]
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I believe it was reading your blog or reading a conversation that you had with someone, but the term physical culture, like being involved in physical culture.
Isn't it sort of like an anorexic that doesn't realize they're so skinny looking or a woman who has enormous fake breasts and still doesn't think they're big enough?
There's some sort of a weird psychological condition where people can't see themselves.
Well, I mean, that's when steroids began to make inroads into Olympic weightlifting, and of course, that's when the Eastern Bloc really started getting into this stuff.
Of course, it's not like the U.S. didn't have plenty of drugs, too.
But in those days, it was still legal in the early days.
But you had asked me about what the guys eat back, you know, the mighty men of all, just normal food, just good, basic food.
They drank a lot of milk.
Milk was considered a bodybuilding food.
And you can trace that, clear back, you know, thousands of years ago, even into India, where the Hindu wrestlers would drink the milk and eat almonds in an effort to build mass on their bodies.
Well, everyone, you know, talks about lactose intolerance and things along those lines, but a big issue with lactose intolerance is just homogenized and pasteurized milk.
And, you know, I've talked about that in the podcast and people have said, yeah, well, if you don't do that, people are going to get sick and...
That's not because of the That's not because the milk is bad.
It's because somehow or another it was handled poorly and people got sick because of it.
But this idea that pasteurization and homogenization is the only way to go with milk is really ridiculous.
I mean, people have been drinking milk literally for thousands of years.
I mean, animal husbandry goes back 10,000 years.
And to my way of thinking...
The modern cow is just a – I mean it's just a very sickly animal.
Even though they give these things steroids and they give them all sorts of antibiotics and all this stuff, they're feeding them grain.
Cattle were never meant to eat grain.
They eat grass in nature, in the wild.
And then like you said, you superheat the milk and you cook it literally to death until there's nothing left in it.
No wonder people have – And then on top of that, people are drinking milk combined with all other kind of stuff and overburdening their digestive system, overdrinking milk, and your body develops an intolerance.
Yeah, people have this aversion to bacteria, but what folks have to get in their heads, like this idea that homogenization and pasteurization is the only way to go because it kills all the bad stuff, but it also kills the good stuff.
I mean, sure, you're going to get some protein and calcium out of milk that's homogenized and pasteurized, but you're taking in cultures when you're drinking milk.
You're taking in a part of that animal's body.
The closer it is to being alive, the better it is for your body.
That's why meat is supposed to be consumed medium rare or rare.
That's the best way to eat meat.
You're going to get the most nutrition out of that food.
The only time you're supposed to cook meat Past that is when the animal is assumed to be sick.
Like the reason why we cook pork to 150 degrees is to kill trichinosis.
And that's one of the reasons why with factory pork or with, you know, what's the best word for it?
Farmed pork or domestic pork?
Domestic pork, they're now saying that they're lowering their standard.
They're lowering it down, I believe, 140 or 145 degrees because the instances of trichinosis are so rare.
In fact, 90% of all trichinosis cases in this country come from eating bear meat.
But at any rate, that's when I became aware of food combining.
And then I did a lot of research and reading about it.
I read about this guy, Herbert Sheldon, who had a clinic in San Antonio, Texas, and cured a lot of people from a lot of different diseases and sicknesses using food combining and fasting.
So I got really, really interested.
And then later, I read this guy, Dr. John Tilden, who wrote a book called Toxemia Explained.
He was a turn-of-the-century physician, and he cured many so-called incurable diseases just through diet and fasting alone.
And the basic premise is when you overmix a lot of food in one meal, there's a real tendency to overeat.
When you overeat, you overburden your digestive system.
And of course, there's a real tendency to put on body fat.
So when you eat just, let's say for example, I have a fruit-based meal, a starch-based meal, and a protein-based meal.
Occasionally I'll have some light dairy with the fruit, but a lot of times it's just fruit buds.
So occasionally a little bit of nuts.
With a starch meal, I will usually stick with something like sweet potatoes or potato.
But occasionally, I'll have wheat-based product.
I don't have any gluten problems whatsoever, mostly because of the way I combine my foods.
And I can have that with some vegetables and so forth.
And then I'll have a protein meal.
And all these meals are interchangeable.
I can have my protein meal for breakfast.
I can have my protein meal for lunch and so forth.
And usually with a protein meal, if it's really cold or I'm really hungry, I'll have a little soup and I'll have a raw leaf green vegetable salad, occasionally a couple of cooked vegetables, but basically meat and vegetables.
And when I say meat, I'm talking about fish, fowl, you know, all the type of flesh foods and so forth.
And since adopting that, I feel fantastic.
I'm like 61 years old now.
I still feel really good.
You know, I've been able to maintain a really low fat percentage and keep my energy and health because traveling is brutal, man.
I mean, I'm in a different country every couple weeks.
Your body, once again, your immune system, when you're eating in accordance with nature and you're not overburdening the system, overburdening your digestive system and so forth...
Your immune system is pretty strong.
Your body can handle just about anything, really, but it does make you tired.
It can make you quite tired.
So rest becomes really important.
And I don't know about you, but I know you fly all over the place to do your comedy act and so forth.
And I find that if I rest up really well and don't do anything too strenuous, I bounce back pretty quick.
Well, depending on what time of the day I'll land, one of my secrets for making the transition, the second I get on the plane, I reset my watch to whatever time zone I'm going to be in.
Sometimes I'm flying many time zones.
And then I immediately try to adapt my eating plan to the place I'm going, which means often skipping a meal.
Occasionally I'll even fast and not just drink water the whole time I'm on the plane, don't eat anything.
I figure it's low activity anyway.
And then the second I land, I'm like you.
If it's in the early part of the day, I'll take a nice walk.
I do this thing called Russian breathing ladders where I work the breath.
It's fantastic.
You match the inhale exhales to your steps and you see how many steps you can get up to on the inhale and how many steps you can get on the exhale.
So you might be taking like 20 steps in one inhale and exhaling over 20 steps and you'll keep that going.
So you went down there in 1998. You stayed for a month with Elio Gracie.
For folks who don't know, Elio Gracie is one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts, if not the most important figure.
Him and Carlos Gracie essentially created what we call modern Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
They started the revolution.
And since then, there's been a lot of innovation and a lot of change and a lot of growth since that time, since the 1940s and 50s and 60s and on through...
The Hickson, Hoyce, you know, all these guys that came up afterwards, you know, through the 90s, and then once the Ultimate Fighting Championship came around, boy, it just skyrocketed.
Well, I have girls, but I teach them jiu-jitsu, but I make it fun.
I have them arm bar me, and I just show them where to put their legs, and how to pull, and how to set up the position, and I show them the mount.
But what's really fascinating is, you know, you're familiar with the concept that there's certain things that get passed on through genetics.
In fact, they've proven that with certain mice, that they can take mice, and they can...
They put a smell in the air, and when that smell happens, like a citrusy smell, they'll give an electrical shock to the feet of the mice, like they're standing on this thing.
And when they smell this smell, they zap their feet.
Not to kill them, just enough to make them realize, yikes, this is not good.
Their children, with no electricity whatsoever, smell that smell, and a panic ensues.
My three-year-old, when her and my four-year-old, well, her and my five-year-old started rolling around, the three-year-old would take the back and go over-under.
She throws the hooks in, and she goes like this, and she hangs on.
I was like, that's crazy.
It's almost like instinct.
They were rolling around, and the older daughter turned sideways, and the three-year-old went like this, and then threw her legs over.
And I was like, that is fucking crazy!
Because she did what I've done probably a hundred thousand times.
But it's, in my mind...
You see the back, you get that over under, you throw the hooks on.
I mean, it's just instinctively.
So to see a little three-year-old immediately do it, I'm like, I wonder if that's in their genes.
I wonder if that has somehow or another been passed on.
What was really amazing to me was the chimpanzees, they commit murder and rape and the different tribes actually hunt each other and they're cannibals.
Well, they have that enzyme where they can process the cellulose.
One thing that differentiates us from, let's say, a lot of other, let's say, like sheep, cattle, but even gorillas, they have a digestive enzyme that breaks down cellulose.
Human beings do not.
That's why a lot of people that go into veganism and try to do all raw food diets don't do so well.
Human beings cannot process cellulose.
So all the nutrients that are bound in the cellulose fiber cannot be absorbed or assimilated into the body.
So we have to do things like cook food.
You know, like broccoli, for example, is completely undigestible, but yet you see it in every salad bar.
Yeah, there's a company near me that sells cold-pressed juices, and God, they're so good.
And they're, I mean, this company, they have like cabbage and all these, I mean, they don't taste the best, but God damn, you just feel the nutrients when you drink it.
It's like your body just goes, yes!
You know, like it does a little Diego Sanchez, yes, cartwheel, when you drink it.
I think maybe he sacrificed a little bit of muscle mass for maybe more cardio.
But he's also fluctuated back and forth now.
He's done a few fights at 170, like with Jake Ellenberger, Martin Campman, and then he's gone down to 55, and he goes back and forth.
He actually said that before his last fight, he ate some bad beef tartare and got sick, and that he had some sort of food poisoning that sapped him of his strength.
Before the Miles Jury fight, his last fight.
I thought that was crazy that he would eat beef tartare right before he fought a major UFC fight without knowing the source of...
Plus, you don't have to go broke going out to dinner all the time in restaurants and so forth because usually these places have stoves or ovens and you can cook.
Sometimes you'll walk out and have a blender or something.
I eat out a lot, but the kind of diet I have is really not that hard.
A lot of times I'll just go to grocery stores and so forth and buy the food and bring it back.
I find, believe it or not, in Europe and even Russia, I was just in Russia not too long ago, the food is superior to what we have in the United States.
Boy, have you ever had, folks who've never had heirloom tomatoes, you know, you see, the tomatoes that we have in stores today, a lot of times what you're getting is these genetically modified tomatoes that are surviving for long periods of time since they've been picked to the time that you eat them.
They can last weeks and weeks and weeks, which is not normal.
I grow tomatoes, and if I take one of my tomatoes and I pick it, then I put it on my counter, in a couple of days it starts getting funky.
Yeah, I've started over the last couple years, started growing my own food.
Growing my own food and my own eggs.
That's a big one.
I have my own chickens.
And I mean, these chickens are pets.
Like my three-year-old daughter picks them up and she can carry them.
I mean, they're pets.
And they run around the yard.
They eat grass and worms and they eat.
They eat table scraps too, which is great, because food that we necessarily might not eat, you scrape a plate off, it doesn't have to look pretty.
Leftovers, we do eat leftovers, and we'll seal them and put them back in the refrigerator, but the stuff that's just a little bit left on your plate, we'll just take a little bit of that from everybody's plate, put it on a plate, put it out there for the chickens, and they go nuts for it.
You know, we don't feed them chicken, of course, but, you know, we'll feed them beef and we'll feed them vegetables and, you know, they'll eat all sorts of different things.
I mean, I'm slowly working my way towards that by growing a bunch of food around the house.
But that's the solution.
I mean, I thought about it.
I was like, everybody wants all these things.
Everybody wants...
I want a boat.
I want a vacation home.
I want a this.
And how many people that have money ever...
Raise their own food.
No one ever says, hey, I'm going to take this money and I'm going to invest in a patch of land and soil and farming tools and heirloom seeds, and I'm going to grow my own food.
I was a fitness director at the Society Hill Club in Philadelphia at that time.
And so I'm just looking for something, man.
I tried Kung Fu.
I tried Kempo Karate.
I tried a Japanese-style karate.
I tried my hand at Muay Thai.
I basically sucked at these striking arts.
It just wasn't in my genetics.
I wanted to grab and clinch.
It used to really piss my instructors off because it was almost like an instinctive reaction.
I quickly learned that you can avoid...
Let's take MMA and put it to a side.
I was interested purely in self-defense at that time.
You know, I always felt like somehow I missed the boat because that was the Bruce Lee era, right?
70s and later.
And I always thought like, wow, I shouldn't have been wasting my time with wrestling.
I should have been doing like Jeet Kune Do or, you know, that Ip Man stuff.
And I didn't realize what a good basis wrestling really was.
And the few scraps I did get in, I found that, wow, you know, double leg takedown goes a long way.
You smash somebody down, it kind of takes the fight out of them a little bit, you know?
And what little striking I knew, I was able to equip myself all right in the few scraps I had.
But I still felt like there was something missing.
There's fancy kicks and punches.
And when I saw that Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, I said, man, I could do this.
I could really do this.
And then I saw the first Gracie in action tape, and I realized, wow, man, this is very...
Doable.
And so I went into it with this whole self-defense aspect in mind, which they really emphasized in those days.
But yeah, hey, it was one big happy family.
The Machadas had just split from Horium when I first met them.
They went with Chuck Norris, as you know.
There was like a bit of a difference of opinion or whatever.
And then after I'd been at the Gracie Academy for a couple years, I would fly from Philly.
At that point, I had my own gym at $19.99 open.
I would go out for a couple weeks at a time with a certain budget.
And I would take like $1,000 or whatever.
And lessons were $100 at that time.
With Horian or Hoyce or Hoyler or Hickson.
And if I got one move in that hour, I call it my $100 move.
Because usually there would be, you know how it is in jiu-jitsu, especially when you're a blue belt, you get really confused and you get in these positions over and over again and you can't quite figure out what to do.
And if they would give me the answer to that particular problem, I would say, oh, that was the $100 move.
That was worth every penny to me because that's how into it I was.
And then I would go through my $1,000 or so, right, with the private lessons.
And, of course, they would throw the classes in for free since I was buying so many privates.
And then I would go back, and I had mats in my gym, and then I would just call up all my old wrestling buddies, and there was a judo club nearby, I would call those guys in, and there was the keto guys down the street, and I would just basically beat up these poor guys.
You know, Henner and Huron, they say that all the time.
Keep it playful, keep it playful.
And, you know, you can protect yourself while you're doing that, and then slowly but surely, a guy who's going to, unless you're dealing with a three-minute match, you're going to have your opportunities.
And of course, it definitely had a Japanese prejudice to it.
But that guy was a pretty amazing guy.
He was a representative sent from the Kodokan.
Shigeru Kano organized all the Jiu-Jitsu clans in Japan and was trying to come up with the one style of Jiu-Jitsu, which he called Judo, the gentle way.
In those days, there was a lot of ground fighting, throws into joint locks.
All the stuff that's illegal in modern-day Judo was still part of the game.
They had knee locks.
I actually watched a videotape of old black-and-white footage.
Some of these old Japanese masters were doing the X-Guard.
And that became part of the training for Army aviators during World War II. And a lot of the Army guys in World War II, jujitsu was the basis for the self-defense in the U.S. Army.
And then one of his cohorts was humiliated by a champion wrestler from West Point.
And Maeda got some Japanese businessmen to put up some money and then he beat the guy that beat his partner.
And then from there he emigrated to Cuba and did all these fights in Cuba.
I mean he was fighting like apparently for money a couple times a week.
He went to Mexico and they would go to the mining camps or lumberjack camps where he had all these guys with a lot of money and they would bet And sometimes he would almost lose a match on purpose to encourage guys to come out there and say, oh, I can beat this little guy.
Yeah, I've always said, man, if you could get a guy like Mark Coleman, who was such a dominant wrestler in his prime, you know, when he was UFC heavyweight champion, if that guy just fell in love with jiu-jitsu and just was passing the guard, mounting, taking backs, taking arm bars, I mean, he would have just been a fucking beast.
And showing how technical the European and the Russian wrestlers are and how much more they rely on those techniques and the subtle varieties of their exchanges and their entrances into techniques.
I really like that.
I like emphasizing that aspect of the wrestling.
Because a lot of people don't know what it is.
You see big, strong guys trying to overpower each other.
You don't understand.
There's so many different moves that are being exchanged at a rapid pace and attacks.
The only thing that's been fucking with me lately is I haven't really been able to roll hard for the last year.
I've only rolled once over the last year.
I had a bulging disc in my back, actually in my neck, and I started doing this thing called Regenikine.
I did a bunch of different therapies for it, but I was really worried about pursuing jujitsu past this because I started getting numbness in my fingers.
And I had heard a lot of horror stories.
And I'm friends with Boss Rutten, of course.
And Boss Rutten has had a pretty bad neck injury that he's had two surgeries on.
And he actually just started going and doing Regenicine at the same place where I've had it done.
And so I went through a bunch of different procedures.
And after a year of different therapies, like I did Prolo Ozone, which is Prolo therapy with ozone, which stimulates healing.
And I did a lot of rolfing, like really hardcore deep tissue massage and soft tissue massage.
The guy, you know, she invented rolfing out of frustration because her son went through that polio epidemic of the 50s and was all twisted up, this poor kid.
And she took him to specialist after specialist.
She had a PhD in biochemistry, a very intelligent woman.
Out of sheer frustration, she just started molding the boy herself.
And came up with their ideas of rolfing and then began to teach other people the postural integration techniques.
Well, I had this conversation today with the doctor because I have some photos of it that I'm going to put up on Instagram, but I'll show them to you, what this process is.
But it's pretty fascinating.
What they do is they take your blood...
And this is me lying on this table with all these needles in my back.
And then those little tubes on the end of the needles, that's where they pump this serum in.
I'll put all these on Instagram later so you guys can see them.
And what it is is they take your blood and the blood is placed in a centrifuge and it's spun around and it's heated.
And somehow or another during this process, like it treats, your body treats the blood, like the blood reacts as if it's having, like if there's a fever.
And so it generates this intense anti-inflammatory response.
And this yellow fluid becomes the most potent anti-inflammatory medication known to man.
And it's produced by your own blood, which is really amazing.
So they pull this yellow serum out, and then they inject it directly into the injured areas with dramatic results.
Well, see, we had talked about supplements earlier, right?
And I used to be quite the supplement hound.
Anywhere between $250 to $300 a month I was spending on supplements.
And I quickly realized that I was actually undermining my body's ability to make its own anti-inflammatories.
Your body, when it's being fed properly, and your digestion is in order, and you're assimilating the nutrients that you need from your diet, you make your own anti-inflammatories.
And you do not need to be taking a lot of extra nutrients.
If anything, it throws you completely out of balance.
Well, it's also, they're directly injecting it into the, this guy, Dr. Peter Welling, is a spinal surgeon in Dusseldorf, Germany, and he's the one who figured this out.
He has this two-year study of osteoarthritis of the knee that's published in the medical journal.
Journal, Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, which started a lot of all this off and got a lot of people invested in this procedure.
And they figured it out in Germany in like 2003. And the United States has really been hampered with a lot of this research because of all the shit that went down with stem cell research.
The religious right was, you know, really putting the brakes on any sort of stem cell research and they were connecting stem cell research with Fetal tissue and aborted babies and people are going to abort babies just to get the fetal tissue.
And this thing that they do, the way that it differentiates between platelet-rich plasma, which is what a lot of people think of when they think of blood spinning.
What this is...
It's a little bit more potent, and I would butcher it.
So if anybody's interested in it, read about it online.
They call it OrthoKeen in Germany, and it's called Regenokene in America, but they do it in Santa Monica now.
It's done in Vegas and Dallas, and they're doing it all over the place with miraculous results for athletes.
There's a lot of athletes that have...
Well, all these guys were flying to Germany.
Kobe Bryant was flying to Germany.
What is his name?
Peyton Manning had two neck surgeries.
He's already retired from football.
Went and got orthochine in Germany, and boom, playing better football than ever.
I got a lot of shit to talk about and let people know.
Anybody who's interested in the place, if you're anywhere near Santa Monica, the guy that I go to for this Regenicene thing...
I have no financial, just in the interest of full disclosures, I have no financial interest in this whatsoever.
His name is Dr. Ben Ruhi, and he does it out of a place called Lifespan Medicine that is in Santa Monica, and it's incredible stuff.
And It's also...
The beautiful thing about it is you don't have to worry about your body rejecting it.
This is all something that your body naturally produces.
So if you're interested, just run a Google search on it and find out if there's a place anywhere near you that has this.
But for me, I've had amazing results with this.
And then from that and the raw thing and all these other different...
Procedures that I've tried, out of all of them, the Regenikine has had the most dramatic responses because it's pretty dramatic and pretty quickly.
I've also found that if you have any joint pain, people out there with joint pain, a big one for me has been fish oil.
Fish oil is really incredible anti-inflammatory properties to it.
I have a friend who's a carpenter, and he's told me that through taking fish oil, like he used to get really sore knees and elbows after a long day of work, just completely eradicated a lot of that stuff.
I take pretty high-dose fish oils.
I mean, there's pros and cons, and people will argue that.
I take 10 a day.
I take 10 pills a day.
10,000 milligrams.
And some people say that's overdoing it.
And probably Steve would say it's overdoing it.
I don't know.
But I work out like a madman.
And for me, it has a huge difference between when I take it and when I don't take it.
I just feel like I have less joint soreness, which is really important for me.
And Dave Asprey is the guy who sort of made it popular.
A lot of it because of being on the show.
But the grass-fed butter and MCT oil is what...
Slows down the digestion of the caffeine because it's blended up together with the coffee.
Because when I drink, I like black coffee.
I like to drink black coffee.
But man, the difference in like the wow, bang, wow, bang, there's a big difference in the spike and crash with that as opposed to this stuff, which is like a slow burn.
And that's Also, the same thing with eating fructose, which you get from an apple or from an orange.
It's like you're getting it in a natural way, and it's also, it's sort of a natural reward system.
Your body's getting this sweetness because you're ingesting all these nutrients.
Like your body's, it's letting you know, ooh, you feel that mouth pleasure?
You need the vitamin C, we need the fiber, we need the, you know, it's all good energy, good for your body, as opposed to this weird thing that we've invented where we figured out how to Never before in the history of man were there these type of frankenfruits.
But, you know, the diet, I mean, man seems to be able to adapt to any number of diets.
I don't know if you've ever heard of this guy, Weston Price, that went around the world.
He was looking at indigenous people.
This was a time earlier in the 1900s when there was indigenous people still around.
And he was looking for signs of health.
He was a dentist, so tooth health is a very good indicator of a person's overall health.
If you have rotten teeth, your general health is pretty poor.
I mean they've even linked gum disease to heart problems and all that kind of stuff.
So he went all over the world.
He was looking at every type of population possible.
The Inuit, the Polynesians, these different places.
And he came to the conclusion that man is a very adaptable creature.
There's any number of diets that a human being can thrive on quite healthfully.
But the thing that seemed to be commonplace to all these people was the purity of the food.
The naturalist of the food, the freshness of the food, and the lack of stress in their diets, and of course the exposure to sunlight and the vitamin D and so forth.
And I mean, in his estimation, the most magnificent of all the populations he studied were the Polynesians, who were living primarily on a starch-based diet, taro, and fish and coconut.
You were the first person to also set me hip to the idea of suntanning For conditioning, that sun tanning, the vitamin D levels get raised in your body and that – like when Georges St-Pierre would fight with a tan, that there's – it's not for vanity.
It's – the tanning salons have gotten a bad rap because people go in there and bake themselves just like people bake themselves in the regular sun.
But if you go in with the idea of not going for the tan, per se, but to convert vitamin D in the skin, even if you're in a place like Iceland, for example, where you don't even get sun half the year, your body makes its own natural vitamin D. And you just go in for a few minutes, maybe four times a month, and your body will make all the vitamin D you need.
It's a very anabolic nutrient.
It's absolutely essential for immunity and muscular growth and recovery, and it's really important.
You know, Rhonda Patrick, who I just mentioned, one of the things that she brought up was a study where they showed that it's actually a genetic transference that people who have survived through famine, their children actually live longer.
Like, the children of people who have had, like, less calories Their children actually have longer lifespans.
You know, that's a big debate, the amount of muscle you should have as a martial artist.
That's a huge issue that comes up a lot.
It comes up a lot in my own commentary because I find it fascinating.
There's certain guys, like the guys like the Hector Lombards or the Tyron Woodleys, these really muscular, like abnormally muscular guys, who are fucking hell on wheels for a few minutes.
But they can't maintain a guy like, say, Diego Sanchez, a guy who's known for having fantastic endurance.
But Diego's worn a lot of guys out in that third round.
The third round is where Diego's the scariest motherfucker on earth because he's just as fresh as he was in the first.
Look at Jake Ellenberger, who's a natural welterweight, brutal knockout puncher, couldn't put Diego away.
By the time the third round came along, Diego's on his back, pounded on him when the last bell rang.
A lot of that can be attributed to his ability to keep up that same pace, that ruthless pace.
I've had acupuncture to release some of the tension in the muscle.
I've done some kind of other interesting stuff.
I believe in the power of the subconscious mind to heal the body.
I do a lot of visualization and prayer and literally image myself getting better.
I believe that your mind and your subconscious mind is in control of every cell in the body and that if you can get rid of any disbeliefs, your higher mind can actually influence healing in your body.
Yeah, I mean it's amazing how many studies have shown the placebo effect.
It all comes down to belief system and believing in yourself and believing that you have the power to heal.
I mean I don't know whether you're religious or not, but I mean you hear about the miracles of Christ and you hear the miracles of other prophets and so forth.
I mean it's documented that a lot of these things happen.
I don't buy into anything that's old when it comes to documentation of certain acts because it's so difficult to find out what the fuck actually happened.
I find religious texts to be fascinating and enlightening in a lot of ways.
I think you can learn a lot about what they learned about wisdom, what they learned about the correct path to living a happy, healthy life.
But a lot of those principles, you know, the golden rules of Christianity, of Islam, of a lot of different religions, they essentially come down to wisdom, life lessons learned over long periods of time.
But then translated into sort of some sort of a weird metaphysical deity connection that gets a little sketchy.
You know, like, you know, Christ rising from the dead and all this stuff.
It's like, boy, what really happened?
You're talking about thousands of years of stories and over a thousand years before anybody wrote anything down.
Most of the things that were written down were several centuries after the fact.
So, yeah, I agree.
But I have...
During the late 1800s, early 1900s, there was a movement in the United States and through Europe called the New Thought Where people begin to realize that thoughts are things.
It's an energy form.
And that when you think things and especially when you say things, you're actually putting energy into action.
It's the law of attraction.
So you're basically attracting what you're putting out.
But anybody who doubts that, run into people that go, oh, fucking nothing good ever happens to me.
Those people, you're right, nothing good ever happens to you.
You have this mindset, and then you run into people that say, hey, we're going to work through this, we're going to figure it out, and this is only going to make us better and stronger.
Let's keep pushing forward.
Those people seem to always prosper.
And I don't know whether or not luck is involved.
I don't know whether or not it's all just your attitude.
But I do know that the people that have that great attitude, I feel better when I'm around them and it empowers me and I feel like it enables me to also spread that empowerment onto other folks.
That said, if you're some guy who's not very good but you've got this crazy belief in yourself and you fight John fucking Jones, you're still going to get your ass kicked.
Well, the people that really truly believe that we are, in some way or another, The vehicle of God, that's sort of what they point to, that we manifest our reality with our own mind and our own intent and with our own actions and our own thoughts,
and that as we grow and as we evolve and as we get stronger and stronger with our consciousness and our ability to understand this, that we enact those powers more freely, more consciously, and that our intent truly does create the very universe around us.
It sounds a little ridiculous, but then when you start and think how much of an effect human beings have on the environment, how much of an effect human beings have on Earth, and when you stop and think about all the bad things that go on on Earth, whether it's war or pollution, well, what is that?
It's like there's this lack of attention and a lack of intent on the important aspects of harmonious relationships with your environment.
Yeah, I have friends that are overweight, and when I watch them sometimes eat, I almost see, like, a person who's, like, consuming a drug.
You know, you see them, like, they know they shouldn't have it, but they're like, fuck it, give it to me.
Ah, relief.
You know, and I don't know what it is, whether it's a distraction from their own mortality, whether it's just some sort of a weird...
Hitch in the system of the way the mind interacts with the world, like it's just too much stress and too many variables, and they need something to sort of inject them out of that, so they focus entirely on an ice cream sundae.
Knowing that they shouldn't even have it, go, fuck it, we're going to have it anyway.
And so by doing that, you sort of block off all your awareness and just funnel that stuff down your fucking piehole until you're It's like an addiction to the pleasure senses of the body.
That's probably why sex addiction exists as well, too.
It was hard for human beings to breed and even harder for them to stay alive, so it was imperative that we breed as much as possible to spread the population as far as possible.
And so that pleasure-reward system that's in place to make sure that you keep breeding A hiccup gets thrown into it when you inject it into modern society where you don't really have as many issues about breeding, but you still have this genetic impulse to constantly need to fuck and spread your seed.
So first one I won by KO. Second one was just, I kicked the guy's ass.
But then I had a long period of break between the second fight and the third.
And I was just fucking exhausted.
And I was kind of sick too.
And then I got hit with a left hook in the second round.
My legs just gave out.
But I was conscious.
It was nothing bad.
It was like...
And that was the last fight I had.
And I was in the middle of like doing comedy and competing at the same time.
I was saying, you know what?
If I can get out of this with...
Think about all the shit that I did to people.
If I can get out of it with just one left hook to the face.
Because my instinct initially was, I'm not going out on a loss.
Fuck that.
I'm coming back.
I'm going to find that guy.
I'm going to beat the fuck out of him.
I'm going to...
And my initial instinct was to start training like a fucking madman.
Abandon comedy.
But that was emotional.
Within a week or two, I sort of realized I have a different...
I realized I had a different goal, too.
That I changed the way I train.
And I wasn't training like I was when I was younger.
And when I was completely obsessed with competition, now I had all these different requirements.
I was now no longer living with my parents.
Now I was feeding myself and I was working and I was worried about my future.
I was like, what am I going to do for a living?
Like, what am I doing here?
I'm teaching.
There's not much money in that.
What am I doing?
I'm going to be a kickboxer and get fucking brain damaged?
So it was all these very...
So I was terrified that I was going to run into me when I was 19 who was just a psycho that just trained constantly and lived at home and didn't have many bills and just every day I'd get up and run hills and stairs and just all I was thinking of was I got to do things that other people aren't doing because that way I'll win, you know?
And I wasn't doing that anymore.
So I kind of recognized it.
So I was like, if I can get away with one loss like that, like that kind of loss, we're good.
Because I didn't want anybody kicking me the way I kicked people.
I've seen it happen to friends, too.
My friend Larry, he was a little bit older than me.
I think I was 18. We went to this tournament, and he fought this Canadian national champion, this guy named Jersey Long.
And he got hit with an axe kick in the head.
And I'll never forget it.
I'll never forget watching this guy whip his leg up like more than a split and slam that heel down on my friend's face and he just crumpled.
And I was like, that is just not something I ever want to happen to me.
And when you do it to somebody, it doesn't feel good.
When you choke someone out in jiu-jitsu and they tap, it doesn't feel bad at all.
No.
It's the difference then.
Yeah, you're not hurting them.
I've never broken anybody's arm.
I mean, I've never, in class, I've never, I mean...
I've seen guys get injured accidentally.
Knees blow out and stuff like that.
But it's always an accident.
It's never an intentional thing, at least on my behalf.
So I never felt bad about it.
So I got all that...
The competition, the thrill, the energy, the excitement, all the charge, the adrenaline, without any of the bad karma feelings that you get from kicking somebody.
There's something about that kind of competition where you have to put your humanity aside in order to compete in a mixed martial arts.
That's why I tell people, Like, when people come to me for advice about fighting, while I'm thinking about fighting, well, stop right there.
Because if you're just thinking about it, don't fucking do it.
Well, that was an important fight for MMA as well because that was an important fight where people understood the benefit and the need for cardio because Frank had tremendous cardio.
Frank was also training with Maurice Smith who was a huge, huge cardio fiend.
Maurice would swim.
He was an animal.
He would put those weird paddle things on your hands and just do lap after lap.
And that's how he wound up beating Mark Coleman.
Same strategy.
Mark Coleman took him down over and over again.
Maurice defended while he was on the bottom.
And then eventually got up and he was fresh still because his cardio was so good.
Mark was exhausted.
Then Maurice started kicking the shit out of his legs.
You know, Maurice implied that strategy many times.
And, you know, I think Frank learned a lot from Maurice in that respect too.
But that fight was a big...
When you think about how young MMA was back then, I mean, when did he fight Tito?
And he was going around to all his friends, and we were all kicking in a little bit of money, and I had a little extra money saved up.
I actually had a retirement account as a school teacher, and I had some money sitting in the bank.
I said, sure.
And so he went to like a whole bunch of different people, put it together in a shoestring, and thus was born that first UFC. And he wanted to use it as a showcase to show the superiority of jiu-jitsu or basically what happens to you if you don't know how to fight on the ground.
And then he picked the most unlikely guy because he could add Hickson, who was just a stud.
But he was afraid that people said, well, that's Hickson.
Look at the physique.
Look at the athleticism.
He wanted to pick Hoyce, who was a really nice kid, pretty thin, wasn't particularly strong.
He was a perfect guy to showcase the technique of jiu-jitsu.
Yeah, there's no sitting on a stool, ice bag on the back of your neck, have a sip of water, somebody's picking your feet up, relaxing your legs, none of that.
You know, you just got a fucking Mark Kerr on top of you, dropping elbows on your face.
But it's also, you've got to realize that one of the reasons why Matt Hughes was so good is that Matt Hughes had benefited from all the lessons that we had all learned from Hoist.
From Hoist entering into UFC 1, UFC 2, and then, of course, Jeremy Horn, who was training all the time with Matt, who was a huge student of the game and one of the most technical guys.
Like, Jeremy Horn is a perfect example because Jeremy is a really smart guy, no ego, who has a body that is just, there's nothing super powerful or unusually athletic, nothing extra long about him, just excellent technique and intelligence.
And he worked a lot with Matt.
Matt got to You know, learned a lot of techniques from him.
Well, let's talk, for example, about you mentioned muscularity and strength.
How muscular do you need to be to be a fighter?
Yeah, that's the question, right?
Well, obviously, it's a weight-class sport, and you want to be as light as possible and as strong as absolutely possible.
So absolute strength is pretty important.
There's a fixed ratio between absolute strength and muscular endurance strength.
There's a fixed ratio.
So if you increase your ability to lift a really heavy weight one time, your endurance with a lighter weight is going to also improve.
Let's say you managed to build from 80 pounds to 100 pounds in a bicep curl.
And prior to that, you could take 50 pounds and maybe you could do 10. When you go from your 80 to your 100 pound curl, your ability to, if you went back to that same 50 pounds that you could do 10 with, you probably do about 13 or 14 reps now.
So there's a fixed ratio between strength and muscular endurance.
We used to see that in the UFC. These guys who are Mundial's champion, high-level gi guys, but they relied so much on spider guard, so much on grabbing the sleeves.
Baron Bolo.
Yeah, that fucking shit is gone when everybody's sweaty.
When you've got a sweaty guy in his underwear on top of you dropping elbows on your face, and he happens to be a wrestler, so he knows how to grapple.
Well, actually, the Yusushi Miyake, the three-time world Greco-Roman wrestling champion, his judo game and his Greco-Roman wrestling game were virtually identical.
But let's go back to strength training and conditioning.
Well, there's a point of diminishing returns where getting stronger is not going to improve your performance anymore.
In order to get stronger past a certain point, you have to almost become a strength specialist.
And this is where a lot of guys get mixed up.
They start training like a powerlifter or Olympic weightlifter.
Big mistake.
The majority of your time should be going into improving your skill set.
That's the single most important thing.
When it comes to endurance now, you know, we talk about cardio and gas, right?
The absolute best way to get your cardio and gas at a high level is to wrestle or to do MMA. The problem is, a lot of these guys are so good, they have no one to push their gas.
For example, I trained Shanji Ibero the year he won Abu Dhabi in Barcelona.
And he took second in the open division.
He hurt his shoulder in the finals, but he won his division.
He was so good that there was no one in the room to push him, man.
So a guy like Fedor, or Fyodor, however you want to say it, if you want to be correct, he, at his best, stopped all the strength and conditioning training.
I mean, when you're hurt or you have injuries or you don't have people to push into the gym, there are ways that you can very closely simulate the energy systems that you would use in actual grappling.
It's never as good as actual grappling or kickboxing or whatever.
So you would say that if someone was like a high-level jiu-jitsu guy and you were looking to just maintain strength or get stronger, you almost wouldn't do conditioning with weights.
Trying to get as strong as you can for your weight class.
Now, if you need to hypertrophy, you need to change the reps a little bit.
If you need to armor up, let's say I'm working a guy that might be playing NFL football and he needs to put on some muscle, it's going to be a slightly different protocol.
For one thing, there's not one elite athlete anywhere in the world that actually uses CrossFit as the model.
The second problem I have with CrossFit, Greg Glassman, the guy that invented it, it's no secret that he's very fat, an obese cripple basically, who doesn't even train.
What kind of system is it when the inventor of the system is not a good example of what he's putting out there?
I had a kid on Fear Factor once that was a CrossFit animal.
The kid was in serious shape.
His girlfriend was a CrossFitter, too.
They were both, like, fucking really fit.
And I was like, dude, what do you get out of it?
And he's like, you know, I just love competition.
I just love pushing myself.
I'm like, okay.
Have you ever done jujitsu?
You know, I try to get him to do it.
I'm like, but you're a fucking animal.
You're a stud.
I mean, do you know what an advantage it would be to be this fit?
Like, you could go on the mats.
Like, you would right away, your conditioning is so high, your VO2 max is so high, you just have to learn the techniques, and you'd be able to already just outwork people.
Especially if you're in there and you have to roll with some savage who's in the gym five days a week, training 90 minutes a day, doing yoga in the morning, just gearing up for jiu-jitsu.
I found myself shocked at how bad a shape I was in when I was in good jujitsu shape.
And I started kickboxing again after a few years off.
I had done no striking at all.
I mean, like, occasionally I'd go out to the garage and hit the bag a little bit, but, like, just abandoned it because I was really trying to get my black belt.
And then I started kickboxing when I was in really good jujitsu shape.
I could roll hard for a long period of time.
And I'd fucking hit the pads for a minute and I'd be exhausted.
You know, having an aerobic base for anaerobic sports has, you know, been proven.
Having that type of—I remember even in a wrestling season, you know, we would do some distance runs, you know, a couple miles, doing general strength training just to, you know, build our general strength up to a pretty high level.
And then as the season progressed, we get more and more specific with our drills and our training and, you know, the shark bait drills.
And have you ever played that drill in jiu-jitsu, first points?
Everyone lines up against the wall.
You have your best three to five guys out in the middle.
So for endurance, there's no amount of, like I say...
Supplementary training, they can beat that.
No way, man.
Just like you found with the grappling, high-level grappling conditioning, you lost a lot of the endurance in the ring.
Now imagine an MMA fighter that has to have high-level endurance on takedowns, high-level endurance in kicking and punching, high-level endurance of jiu-jitsu on the ground.
He doesn't have time to be burning his body up with all this other nonsense.
He's going to be absolutely, utterly overtrained in no time at all in burnout.
And of course, a lot of these kids do get burnout.
Overtraining is really pretty high in combat sports.
If you suspect you're overtrained, you might want to take a couple of days off and then start this process of seven days in a row, monitoring your pulse.
On your iPhone, there's an app that you can actually hold your finger on the camera lens and do it.
Because the Samsung Galaxy S5, the new Galaxy Samsung, one of the things I like about it that I was thinking about picking it up is it has a heart rate monitor built into the actual phone itself because they have some sort of fit app.
My normal resting heart rate is 59. Now, remember, the true resting pulse rate is when you first wake up in the morning before you even get out of bed.
So there's a lot of folks out here that think, there's a lot of folks in MMA that think there's days when you're beat and exhausted and you've got to push through.
They're being dumb because it's going to work against you.
Let's put it this way.
It's not what you can do in the gym.
It's what can you recover from in the gym.
Because all the magic happens from rest.
A workout only has negative consequences.
Your blood pressure is elevated.
You're muscularly weaker.
You've actually torn and broken down muscle fiber.
Your whole hormonal system is lower.
It's that rest phase in between the workouts where your body adapts and you become stronger.
The more fit you become, the longer it takes to recover because you're able to push yourself harder and harder.
A weak person that's not very fit, they can't push themselves hard enough to really...
They actually could probably work out every day.
But a really fit, strong guy like yourself, for example, you cannot drive yourself every day because each workout you're making such a demand on your body.
One thing that you cannot control is your ability to recover.
Jim Miller's a bad motherfucker, but he was talking about his weight drop and, you know, his weight cut that he's, you know, made a lot of errors over the years and that, you know, he's fucked it up, but, you know, it's a direct quote.
He says, I'm positive I took years off my life cutting weight.
But if you were to ask those guys, hey, was it all worth it?
They'd say, hell yeah.
Man, the roar of the crowd, the adulation, you know.
You know, the excitement of playing at such a high elite level of sport, almost every guy to a man would say, yeah, you know what?
I would take the shorter life for the glory.
But that aside, people that are just doing this for fun, as a hobby, they've got to be careful, man.
They can't be doing all this crazy stuff.
These kids that go to the local tournaments and this and that and play around with all this serious weight cutting, they're doing their health irreparable harm.
Fight your damn weight and stop trying to get an unfair advantage by cutting down and then gaining back.
I mean, it's probably where he should have been his entire career if you compare the athletes of today and what they're doing.
But even at 145, he just decided to alter his diet, really intensified his training, and now he got down to, like, he's walking around a little over 150 pounds.
So he's not going to cut a lot of weight.
You know, these guys that are cutting like 25, 30 pounds of weight, I've seen guys shuffle up to the scale.
Well, one of the things I really liked about the Moon Giles and the Pan Ams, you weigh in at the edge of the mat, and then you go out and you fight right then and there.
Well, the Lance Armstrong thing, the problem was he's a douchebag.
That's the problem.
He sued everybody for saying that he was taking drugs, said everybody, you know, looked people in the eye and said, you know, I never doped, I never did anything.
He said guys would get up, he was on the tour, and guys would get up and they were on a bus together.
Guys would get up, they would be on so much EPO that they would have to take their bike out in the middle of the night and run because their blood would start getting thick.
There's guys who would work out hard the day before.
And also, EPO wasn't even being tested in Nevada.
I mean, I think they're testing for it now, but for the longest time, they weren't testing for EPO because they thought it was an endurance sport problem, like a thing like cycling and triathlons.
And they didn't think that it applied to boxing, which I thought was like one of the best pieces of evidence.
You got fucking morons who are dictating what gets tested and not tested.
You want to talk just a complete ignorance of what is involved in the sport.
The UFC does nine months for the first defense, you know, but they're really trying to crack down on it.
And now, you know, we have this, the TRT issue, which I had Dr. Mark Gordon, who's an expert in traumatic brain injury, who was talking to me about the, you know, he's like, there's two reasons why someone needs testosterone.
Well, there's three.
One, you're an older person and your body starts to wane.
Have you studied at all any of these new gains that they're making in genetic engineering and what they're pushing for?
Have you contemplated what the possibilities are for sports?
Because it's one of the things that I'm more, I want to say concerned, but fascinated at the same time.
You know, as a person who's standing outside of it, I mean, obviously I'm a commentator, but Science is so close to altering the very genetics of a human being.
I mean, within our lifetime, 40, 50 years from now, max, you're going to see super athletes from the bottle, from a test tube, from a needle, from whatever it is.
When I was a kid, when I lived in Boston, Muhammad Ali was going to fight Mustafa Hamshaw.
And Muhammad Ali was one of the most Spartan training...
Excuse me, not Muhammad Ali.
Jesus Christ.
Marvin Hagler was going to fight Mustafa Hamshaw.
I can't believe I said Muhammad Ali.
Because I was thinking about him as another example of a great athlete who just trained hard in an era with no drugs.
But...
Marvin Hagler was going to fight Mustapha Hamshaw, and he was training for it on Cape Cod in the winter.
And one of the reasons why he did that was because he would run the sand dunes, and just because he loved the fact that he was in the fucking brutal cold of Cape Cod running by the ocean.
And I remember they had a thing on the news where they were hyping up the fight, and they were going through his training regime.
And he was running up sand dunes screaming war.
Just screaming.
Just war!
And just running and shadowboxing.
And I saw that and I went running.
I ran stairs near my house.
There was stairs near this bridge near my house and I went running.
I was like, fuck!
But, you know, instead, he's sitting there and they're pumping him full of EPO and they're monitoring his blood and, you know, giving him artificial this and genetic that and...
In the Rocky IV, when you saw Stallone was fucking running with logs on his back through the snow, and they have Drago, they're spiking him with steroids.
Well, you know, I'm a fifth-degree black belt now, and a lot of times I am a little bit younger than what I look, so kids don't see a 61-year-old dude.
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We'll be back tomorrow with Dave Attell on Thursday.
We've got Greg Fitzsimmons, and then we're also doing the UFC, I want to say wrap-up analysis, post-fight, with Brendan Schaub and Brian Callen, the fighter and the kid.
So that's two podcasts on Thursday.
And then Friday night, I'll see you guys at the Lobero Theater in Santa Barbara with Joey Diaz.