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Feb. 3, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #448 - Tom Segura
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joe rogan
Hey, you fuckers.
What are you doing?
Got to meet the Squarespace people this weekend in Manhattan with the great Tommy Bones!
Tommy Bones in the house, ladies and gentlemen.
And they couldn't be fucking cooler.
They were exactly what I thought they'd be.
Bunch of smart-looking young cats.
Very cool guys.
It was really fun.
New York was fucking fantastic.
Goddamn, that was fun.
tom segura
It was a great time.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
It was fun in so many ways.
That fucking show was intense.
The show, well, we'll talk about that later, but the Squarespace guys were cool as fuck.
And it's always nice when you have a sponsor that not only you believe in, but you meet the people that are behind the sponsorship, the company, whatever, and they're really cool.
And they were super happy, too.
You could tell that their product is actually awesome.
That so many people use it and enjoy it.
What Squarespace is is a website that allows you to make your own websites.
Super easy to do.
If you can do any of the normal functions on your computer, drag and drop and click and point and all that shit, you can make a website.
Kara Santamaria, who was on the podcast last week, runs her website through Squarespace.
She was talking about how easy it is for her to organize all of her media.
If you've got a store, you can put an online store up Super quick and easy with Squarespace.
They have awesome support 24-7.
If you're confused and you can't figure out what to do, they can help you through it.
And they also have it so that if you're a musician, you can sell music on your site.
There's so much cool shit about Squarespace, and the most beautiful thing is I've never heard one person say that it's not awesome.
tom segura
I love it.
I love Squarespace.
joe rogan
You guys use it?
tom segura
Well, I've been to the site a lot, and I work with them too, and I feel like it's...
The thing that I always think about is the fact that in today's day and age, it blows your mind when someone still doesn't have a website.
If you have this as a tool, it just makes sense.
No matter what, if you cut grass, it's like, why wouldn't you have, hey, go here and you see me and contact me here and see what I do?
You have no excuse to not have a site.
So easy.
joe rogan
Yeah, we gave away four different one-year memberships to Squarespace and four new Higher Primate t-shirts.
Which have all been restocked.
The higher primary t-shirts have been restocked.
I'm sorry I'm slow with that shit.
But I'm a busy little boy.
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They give up.
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tom segura
It's only one Joe.
joe rogan
I'm right, there's plenty of Joes.
That's not true at all.
tom segura
Nah.
joe rogan
There's a goddamn pile of them.
That is the most overused name in the world, probably.
Right next to Juan and Jose.
tom segura
In the world of podcasts, there's only one JoJo.
joe rogan
Oh, you're so sweet.
That's why you're here.
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So go there and enjoy.
Code Word Joe.
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unidentified
At least.
joe rogan
Well, that accounts for that one out of ten.
unidentified
I don't know.
All this point and click, you can't even do it for me?
brian redban
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joe rogan
That is interesting.
I would think that that's actually for family.
That's how I would look at it.
tom segura
You need a will, though.
joe rogan
You need a will.
tom segura
If you don't have a will and you're an adult, you know you're going to die.
joe rogan
Well, the government just says, we'll take it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just snatch up most of your money.
And you've got to fucking scrap for it and figure out who deserves it.
tom segura
Yeah, that sucks, right?
That they get to tell people.
joe rogan
I wonder what the actual laws are as far as, I'm saying the government scratches up all your money, but I know they definitely get a little bit...
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know how it works.
You know what's fucked, man?
What's really fucked is inheritance tax, which means that say if you, Tommy Buns, leave behind a child some money, like say one day you're a wealthy man and you work your ass off and you love the shit out of your kid, your kid wants to be a surfer or whatever the fuck, and you're like, I'm going to give my kid all my money.
Well, your kid doesn't get all your money.
Your kid gets the money that is left over after he pays taxes on the money that you already paid taxes on.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It's money that you earned.
tom segura
Is that a state tax?
Is that what that is called?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's creepy.
It's just like a piece.
But you had your piece.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is all clean money.
It's like if a guy gives you $100, he says, Tommy, I like you, and I know you would want $100.
I'm going to give you $100.
Do you really have to report that for earning, and do you have to pay taxes on that?
That's a gift.
What are you doing, you creepy cunts?
You know when someone's working for someone and someone's not.
You know when someone's actually getting a paycheck or someone's getting a gift, and you know that inheritance is money that somebody already fucking paid for, man.
If you want to leave your kid $10,000 and it turns out to be $6,000, Why not?
Why isn't it $10,000?
Why do you get $4,000, you fucking creeps?
tom segura
It changed hands, so we get paid again.
joe rogan
They double taxed.
brian redban
That's why you need to leave your kids money in Bitcoin.
joe rogan
It would have been better if you said that without stumbling through it.
tom segura
Or maybe cash in a mattress.
At least stuff it in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I have a hole in the ground with a fucking vault in it.
It's bizarre that people think it's okay to pay taxes on something twice.
Here's another issue, too, when it comes to taxes and inheritance and shit.
People who are broke...
There's a lot of people that are ambitious, and they're hardworking, and they're struggling, and they're trying to put it together, but there's a lot of also people that are broke that are cunts, and they want everybody else to be broke too, and they think that somehow if you pay more taxes, it's going to help the economy or help them.
No, it's not.
It's going to give money to some fucking people that are going to be incompetent with it.
Let's be honest about what the fuck's going on with your taxes.
It's not going to fix the fucking homeless problem.
It's not going to fix the school system if you take 10% of this guy's money that his dad left him.
Just stop.
You're stealing.
You're stealing and you're throwing it into an incompetent system.
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So what they're doing is they're taking people that are really fucked up already and dying, old people.
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brian redban
Generic.
joe rogan
Generic, and they're not showing improvement in cognitive decline.
Well, let's be honest.
First of all, When someone's having cognitive decline, it's over.
You're not going to get younger.
You're going to get older.
There's almost nothing that improves cognitive decline in people who are old and they're falling apart.
Almost nothing.
Unless there's some new miracles that come out.
So what they're saying is essentially vitamins can't do miracles.
They can't do any of the miracles that modern science and modern medicine hasn't been able to do either.
There's no medicines that they can give you that slow cognitive decline in old people.
I mean, you can maybe cut out a few things in your life that you're doing that are hurting you, like drinking or cleaning up your diet, giving yourself less inflammation.
There's a bunch of things you can do to slow down the process, but when you're fucking dying, you're fucking dying, man.
So, for someone to make a study saying that vitamins don't work and they're a waste of money, based on these, that shit is so irresponsible.
It's so irresponsible.
And this is coming from, we don't even sell multivitamins.
You know, I think that the best vitamins that you can get into your body are the closest to how nature intends them, meaning food-based vitamins.
Nutrients that are based on actual food, not synthetics.
And synthetics, I'm sure, are better than nothing.
The idea that they're not is ridiculous.
The idea that there's a reason why they know that vitamin C cures scurvy, prevents scurvy.
There's a reason why they know that when you have a lack of calcium, your body can get osteoporosis.
This is all facts and science.
People love to shit on things that are controversial when they do not have all the evidence.
They love to be a naysayer.
They love to call bullshit.
And they love to call bullshit when they're fucking wrong.
And with vitamins and supplementation, I think they're wrong in a huge way.
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Multivitamins.
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joe rogan
Now that Nick Diaz doesn't fight in the UFC or hasn't fought in the UFC for a long time, that soundbite is even cooler.
tom segura
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
It's a lucky moment in time.
tom segura
Hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, this weekend, Tommy Buns and I were in New York having a good time in the Big Apple.
That was fun, man.
tom segura
That was fun.
That was a good time.
joe rogan
The show was insane.
They were the nicest fucking people on the planet Earth.
tom segura
So nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, you don't always luck out when you start talking about sizable crowds, when you start talking about over a thousand people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
But for them to be that nice felt like a room of...
joe rogan
Well, it was kind of a screwy situation.
Excuse me.
Because we were at this old venue and this place, the only way you could get to the 10th floor where the auditorium is, is you had to take an elevator.
And out of the bank of four elevators, two of them were broken.
tom segura
And don't forget, the building had thousands of people in it for other massive events.
joe rogan
Two massive events.
The Stern Show party, like Stern had a birthday bash.
tom segura
Yeah, which was humongous.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was on one floor.
And there was, what was that other?
tom segura
The Seahawks Super Bowl party was on.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah, there's a Seahawks party there.
Thousands of people.
And then our show was sold out for months.
So it was like, it was madness.
And it was all these people having to go from floor to floor on elevators.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It's so weird, too, to do a room that big that is not a ground floor room.
joe rogan
10th floor.
It's old as shit.
The place is old as shit.
It's really fucking cool.
The building is badass.
There's a lot of those old buildings in New York City that you feel different when you're in them.
When was this building made?
1909?
tom segura
Whoa.
joe rogan
And you're walking around it.
First of all, they're solid as fuck.
Think about a building that's been there for a hundred fucking years and it's still rock solid.
I mean, they made some goddamn buildings back then.
But on top of that, it's just got all this history in it.
All these people have been through it and...
It had some strange design, I guess a flaw, or I don't know what you would say, but just a byproduct of the design.
There was a wind whistling through the entire hotel.
tom segura
So bizarre.
joe rogan
The entire, it was not a hotel, the entire convention center, whatever you call it, Manhattan Center.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The entire place, like, a 30-mile-an-hour wind.
Like, you would open doors and wind would come in, but it was warm!
tom segura
But you couldn't find the source.
You couldn't be like, oh, this window's open.
That's where the wind's from.
joe rogan
It was some sort of an effect of all these doors being open and the wind coming in from the front door.
So the wind would come in from the front door with such momentum that it would go down these hallways and literally make it upstairs so you'd be on the 10th floor and the wind would come whistling through.
I mean, strong wind!
tom segura
And the weird thing is that to get to the room to bike to backstage, you go up to the 10th floor and you go down eight hallways with turns.
So you feel like you're in this weird labyrinth.
There's not like you go, well, this door's open, it's right here, that's where wind's coming from.
You weave all the way into this area and And then the wind is hitting you from every angle.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's warm.
It's not even cold wind because it's freezing outside, but by the time the wind gets to you, it's been heated up by the building.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So we got, it's like some sort of an internal baby tornado thing going on.
tom segura
It was, yeah.
joe rogan
You know how with tornadoes, I think part of what causes tornadoes and some hurricanes is the two different...
Yeah, I knew that about hurricanes.
Dude, even when we went into the green room...
tom segura
We felt that wind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I was like, oh, because there's a curtain there.
You move the curtain and there's no window.
I thought a window was open.
I just didn't know.
It was confusing where it was coming from.
How is it hitting us right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really weird.
And when you think about wind in buildings, I think about things like, remember that movie Backdraft?
tom segura
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
I was scared to open doors.
That when you are in a fire, when you open windows and you open doors, it affects the amount of oxygen coming to the fire and sometimes it's almost like an explosion that comes at you.
Wind and air and heat and temperature, we deal with them so often on a stable basis.
Air-conditioned rooms, especially in California, pretty stagnant climates, pretty static climate.
But when things change radically and have these weird effects, you realize how bizarre the whole idea really is in the first place.
Fucking air, invisible air around us all the time, whipping around and moving, and you can feel it when it blows on you, but you don't see shit.
tom segura
You don't see shit.
It's also like one of the basic kind of building blocks of the world, of life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I think most people know very little, like me, about it.
Like you kind of go like, how do I not know more about how that works?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I don't.
I'm just like, yeah, I know oxygen feeds fire.
And that's kind of my little extent of my knowledge about it.
joe rogan
It would be weird if Manhattan put a big fucking wall around it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be the way to avoid the window.
tom segura
That would certainly, yeah.
joe rogan
Just put a huge wall.
But the top of the buildings would still be wiggling.
tom segura
Probably, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they engineered that in them.
tom segura
The fact that they can sway, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, all new buildings will definitely, like buildings in the last 20 years, all will have sway, especially if they're built, well, I'm sure in New York, but like San Francisco, LA, you know, they expect them to have tolerance for earthquakes.
joe rogan
I was in Ray Kurzweil's house in San Francisco.
He's that Google guy.
He works for Google now.
The guy who works with artificial technology, he's this proponent of the idea of the transcendental man, that one day we're going to be able to transcend our biological existence and either become a part of a computer or download consciousness into computers.
Fascinating, fascinating dude.
But he lives on the top of this fucking building.
This is San Francisco, man.
This is a crazy place to live.
This fucking thing moves, man.
tom segura
Don't you feel weird about those Malibu homes on sticks?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Those people are crazy.
tom segura
They're crazy as shit.
joe rogan
Remember when we were in New York this weekend, when we were flying in, we flew over areas that Hurricane Sandy hit in New Jersey.
And you see where buildings used to be.
You see these areas where shit is just wiped out.
tom segura
Yeah, scary.
joe rogan
It's fucking real scary, man.
It doesn't happen that often.
tom segura
No, but when it does.
joe rogan
But when it does happen, you're fucked.
And it can happen.
We just, we're basing everything on such a short timeline.
You know, our ideas of what weather is possible is only based on the last couple of hundred years.
tom segura
It's true.
It's based on a couple of years, and then you also only live so long.
Like, when you're talking about, like, history, time and history, you know, a human lifespan is not even, like, you don't even measure how often something happens by...
So we only refer to things happening through, like...
Oh, it hasn't happened since, like, my grandfather was around.
That's not that long ago.
joe rogan
That ain't shit.
unidentified
You know?
tom segura
Yeah, that happened fucking yesterday in terms of history, so it happens pretty often, actually.
joe rogan
To put it in perspective, think about the lifetime of, like, say, a housefly.
What do they live?
They live, like, seven days, ten days or something like that.
Okay, let's find out.
How long does a housefly live?
I think it's a couple of days.
tom segura
Yeah, think about how many horrific things have happened in modern recorded history, weather-wise.
If you lay that out over stuff we don't know about, really bad natural disasters happen all the time.
joe rogan
Seven days.
tom segura
That's how long a fly lives?
joe rogan
Yeah, most of them.
Seven days, sometimes as long as two months.
tom segura
Whoa, that's a big difference.
I'm an old-school pimp, man.
I've been around here for a minute shitting in this house.
joe rogan
Just think about how little change happens over the course of seven days in the world.
I mean, sometimes yes, sometimes no, but the idea of basing the weather on what happens in seven-day increments is fucking completely ridiculous, because we know about seasons.
Well, seasons don't exist to a goddamn fly.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
During Grandfather's Day, the world was frozen.
joe rogan
Things were dark.
Life was terrifying.
There was no shit anywhere to land in.
tom segura
My pappy was around last month.
joe rogan
When the shit would drop, it would freeze instantly.
We couldn't lay eggs.
You know, I mean, that's what their version of the world would be.
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then you talk like 10 generations later.
It's sort of like a Game of Thrones type of thing where they're talking about the winter being months or years instead of months.
tom segura
I still haven't seen that show.
joe rogan
No.
How dare you!
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
One of the things about winter is winter is varying lengths in this crazy world that they live in.
Sometimes winter lasts for years.
tom segura
For years?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Fuck that.
joe rogan
The wind is coming.
Man, they're all terrified of winter.
They're all terrified of winter.
It gives you a good perspective because we know that winter's going to be, even if it's in Iowa, even if it's somewhere like Michigan, it's fucking cold as shit, it's four months, you know, tough it up, suck it up, you'll be all right.
But if winter was 40 years...
tom segura
You've got to move.
I don't want to hear your argument for why you stayed.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?
You know, the thinking behind that?
It's like, that really is what it's like, the difference between living in Michigan and living in California.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, there's some places where people live that have pretty extensive and sometimes brutal winters.
Nothing compared to 40 years, but I'm saying you go further north into Canada, there's definitely cities that have...
You could argue that it's pretty seriously winter by October.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And then it just gets varying degrees of worse.
They're like, this isn't winter yet.
I know it's five out, but wait until next month.
And you're like, okay.
And then you go into November, December.
Those are freezing.
January, February the worst.
And it's still cold in that place in March and sometimes into April.
joe rogan
Snows in May.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, so you're talking about...
unidentified
Like Edmonton?
joe rogan
Go to Edmonton.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck that.
joe rogan
You can catch a crazy snowstorm in May.
unidentified
Cold as fuck.
joe rogan
Shit goes wrong.
It's cold as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I ran into a couple in Phoenix that came to the shows, the shows down there, and they live in Edmonton.
And they said they take the summer off, or the winter off.
tom segura
The winter off, yeah.
joe rogan
They just go to Arizona.
It's like, fuck this.
tom segura
Fuck this, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially Phoenix.
Phoenix is great.
In the summertime, it's crazy.
But in the wintertime, it's beautiful.
That 130 degrees in the summertime is fucking retarded, though.
tom segura
It's horrible.
That and, like, in Vegas, you're like, what the fuck are we doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets, like, 110 all the time.
Where you're just out there cooking, like a hair dryer in your face.
tom segura
And if you happen to, like, walk on a pavement, oh my god, or get into a car, and you're looking at the thing, you turn the car on, it says, like, 122 on your dashboard, and you're like...
It's happening.
joe rogan
That's the sun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
It's horrible.
joe rogan
But these people, they lived most of their life in Edmonton, and they were like, fuck this.
tom segura
When you think about it, everybody would if they could.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, there's no such thing as like, I really, you know, I understand people that like the seasons and all that and, you know, the change, but nobody wants to be around 20 below for extensive periods of time usually.
That's, you know, reasonable.
I think you kind of want to get out of that naturally after a while.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that show, Life Below Zero?
tom segura
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
It's one of those Alaska shows where people are living in these strange climates, and there's this woman who operates this refueling station, and it's, I think, a hundred and something miles north of the Arctic Circle.
So this crazy lady...
tom segura
It hurts inside to think of that.
joe rogan
This is a badass bitch.
She's by herself up there.
And she was attacked by a bear once.
I don't know how she survived, but it broke her leg and I think maybe her hip too and bit into her head.
unidentified
Is that her?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's her.
tom segura
Does she have a beard?
joe rogan
She's got a little something going on there.
You would too if you were an old lady.
tom segura
Okay.
brian redban
The more the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, normally she doesn't look like that.
She doesn't have the frosting face.
Don't be cruel to my woman.
unidentified
I just saw a beard and I was like, she has my beard.
joe rogan
She's a tough broad, man.
And I've been trying to figure this lady out.
I watch this show all the time and I'm trying to figure this lady out.
I think...
This is what it is.
I think she's a tough lady that enjoys challenges.
And so, like, her life is better for her when it's just this constant struggle against nature and the elements.
She enjoys it.
She seems to, like, thrive off of it.
tom segura
I think that's a, you know, there's individuals you put, you set up circumstances for, it's better for them.
Like...
In a big picture, some people work better with structure, and some people work better with no structure.
And I think you keep progressing along that line.
Some people can thrive in harsher situations.
This is ideal for some people, but I think it's not for a lot.
There's a minimum amount of people that actually...
Want to be and will thrive in an environment like that.
joe rogan
Well, everyone is always looking for Phoenix to go to in the middle of the winter.
Everyone is looking for comfort.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And what these people are doing is going the exact opposite way.
And they're saying, we're just looking to make it exciting and struggle every day, but we choose to do it this way.
Like, these are all what you call subsistence hunting people.
Meaning they live completely off the land.
They get their vegetables, they grow them, they get their fish.
That woman right there, that Inuit woman, her fucking whole family has had massive loss because of people falling through the ice and drowning.
She lost her mother, I think, or her brother.
She lost several close family members, fell through the ice and fucking froze to death.
You know, I mean, this is some harsh shit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This world is crazy.
And they have to do it.
That's the only way you're going to get fish.
So they're out there on this river.
This flowing river.
The top of it freezes and you're standing on it.
And if you fall through, that's a wrap, son.
unidentified
That's it.
tom segura
It's over.
joe rogan
But there's no other way.
There's no other way to get the fish out of there.
tom segura
But she also has...
There's purpose...
For her being up there, in other words, it's a refueling, like she's there for a service or no?
She's just there.
joe rogan
No, that woman, that's how they live.
tom segura
That's just how she lives.
joe rogan
That's how they make their money.
They don't have jobs.
They just get fish out of the river.
I mean, there's several groups of people.
But you were looking at that Inuit woman and her husband.
Yeah, different groups, yeah.
Yeah, there's four or five different groups that they follow.
tom segura
Do they sell fish, or is it just fish to eat?
joe rogan
They sell some things.
They do a lot of trading, though.
They'll trade, like, give you a half of a caribou.
I need a...
Some fan belts for my car to repair my snowmobile or what have you.
They travel by snowmobile everywhere.
unidentified
Everywhere.
joe rogan
So when they're outside, they're outside, man.
There's no, like, heated trucks where they're driving around in.
tom segura
No, sir.
joe rogan
No.
It's a crazy hard life.
tom segura
Yeah.
But they like it.
joe rogan
They do like it.
Well, this one lady is really fascinating because she's...
I mean, it's hard to tell what someone's really like when you've got a camera in their face.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell who they are, if they're relaxed and you're just talking to them.
Like...
Sometimes it takes months to get to know someone to find what goes on behind the scenes inside of their head.
So you don't really know that lady that well from watching her on that show.
But what you can tell is there's something that she's enjoying about being up there in this really scary environment where she's already been attacked by a fucking bear.
Jesus.
And those are grizzly bears.
These are the big brown bears.
They're not like black bears that you can scare away.
They're there to fuck you up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
She hunts caribou and fucking small birds and whatever she could find up there.
That's where she gets her meat.
tom segura
You think the bear was like, I see your beard, I'll give you a break.
We both have beards?
joe rogan
No, I think the bear, she probably shot him or something.
I don't know what the full story is.
tom segura
There's not really much topping badass stories as much as I got attacked by a bear and I killed that bear.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Like, what's a better story than that?
Maybe a shark?
joe rogan
Yeah, but sharks...
The idea of you fighting off a shark...
tom segura
It's crazy.
joe rogan
You don't have much chance.
tom segura
Yeah.
But if you did, if you're like, you know, that's why I got this half arm right here.
joe rogan
It's like if a shark kicks your ass on a shore.
tom segura
On a shore, yeah.
joe rogan
Say if you have a giant knife in your hand, and the shark kicks your ass on a shore.
Like, a shark deserves it.
tom segura
Yes.
Because you were just fucking...
joe rogan
Well, how's a shark going to get you on the ground?
You can take a great white shark, put it on the beach.
I will fuck that thing up.
There's no chance.
I will get behind him and I'll stab him right in his stupid brain.
I'll find it, a little pea brain.
I'll chop away at the top of his head.
tom segura
Do a little dance afterwards.
joe rogan
And I'm sure he'll open his jaws and shit.
Whatever, dude.
You're not in the ocean.
You're fucked.
This is my world, bitch.
unidentified
My house.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not going to bite me.
I'm going to stick fucking a knife in your brain and then I'm going to eat you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're in the water, you have about the same amount of chance, except the only thing that saves you is that sharks are stupid.
So if there's some way that you could, like, jab it in the nose with, like, a harpoon, if you had, like, one of those fish harpoons, like dudes who go, what do they call it, spearfishing?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, shoot the spears?
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, the spear guns.
If you could, like, stab it in the nose with that, you might be able to get it the fuck away from you because you know that they're kind of sensitive in their nose.
But you might not.
tom segura
Yeah.
Most likely you will probably not.
joe rogan
Most likely you'll miss, and it'll bite your arm off, and you'll bleed out, you know?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
They swim pretty fucking fast, too.
Unless you can swim, like, 40 miles an hour, which I don't think...
joe rogan
Some homeless guy in California yesterday got attacked by a mountain lion.
brian redban
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, a guy got fucked up.
tom segura
Homeless guy, was he hiking?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was outside.
He was, like, camping.
He got attacked by a mountain lion.
Yeah, not good.
They're, you know...
tom segura
Unusual homeless activity.
joe rogan
They're gonna have more and more of that.
brian redban
They don't really camp when they're homeless.
It's more just homeless.
joe rogan
They're always camping.
They're the best campers.
Homeless people are constantly camping.
Well, it depends on what kind of homeless, obviously.
This guy, it seems like he might have been a crazy person.
tom segura
Had a long week of being homeless in the city.
I'm going to go up to the hills for a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brian redban
Little me time.
joe rogan
That ain't fun, man.
tom segura
No, that sucks.
joe rogan
It's going to happen more.
You know, this is something we talked about on the Opie and Anthony show when we were in New York.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
We talked about mountain lion attacks and Yeah, man.
tom segura
And here there's a...
brian redban
Sexy group of people right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was...
tom segura
Who's that guy in the back?
joe rogan
Oh, that's me.
That's Tommy Buns!
Ricky Gervais, Jim Norton, and Opie and Anthony and us.
tom segura
A lot of fun.
A lot of fun room, man.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it was a lot of fun.
tom segura
It was a good time.
It was so cool meeting...
I'm a big fan of Ricky Gervais.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a nice guy, man.
tom segura
Super nice guy.
joe rogan
Very nice guy.
Real easy to talk to.
brian redban
Very interesting wolf fact that you learned also about the jaw, the biting.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have a bite that's like five times more powerful than a pit bull.
tom segura
I couldn't believe that either, man.
unidentified
Crazy.
tom segura
I definitely thought he was making that up.
brian redban
Exaggerating.
tom segura
Yeah, exaggerating it.
joe rogan
Well, you know, sometimes it's like someone tells you something that's just not correct.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And you repeat it.
I've done that before.
tom segura
Of course.
And sometimes, you know, you're not even intending to, like, mislead.
You heard something, or you think you remember the number, and you're like, I think it's this number, and you just throw it out.
joe rogan
I've done that.
I thought it was going to be bigger, obviously.
I think a wolf bites harder.
But I didn't think it was going to be five times.
Five times.
Fucking bananas.
Elk bones.
They can snap the leg bone of an elk.
That's insane.
What a crazy animal.
You know, the idea that people think that's a dog, that's so silly.
tom segura
And now when you think about, like, just that, whatever you already knew about them, you think about that added stat, and you think about the fact that they hunt in packs.
Think about three or four of those mouths, what that's possible doing in how quick amount of time.
You know, I mean, like, they ambush you.
You know, they come this way, that way, and pretty soon you're looking around like, oh, shit.
And that's what...
It happens to animals.
They get trapped.
joe rogan
It's so funny.
Steve Rinella, my friend, the hunter guy from the show Meat Eater, was talking about there was this one thing where people were talking about running and trying to keep up with wolves.
Could a man try to keep up with the wolf?
And one of the ways that they tested it is they took these wolf dogs and they let these wolf dogs go and then they had these people run through the mountains and see if they can keep up with the wolf dogs.
You know, see, like, wolves can run faster, but sometimes people can run longer and steadier pace.
Well, the wolf's dogs, wolf dogs are not wolves.
And he was like, the way he described it is like, that's like taking an alien.
And an alien comes down and finds the fattest, most out of shape guy with the worst diet and says, run as fast as you can.
We want to see how fast humans can run.
tom segura
Oh, really?
unidentified
That's the equivalent of that?
joe rogan
Isn't that a great analogy?
Because a wolf is a wolf.
They're not dogs.
They're not getting fed.
They're out there running down elk and biting their legs in half.
tom segura
Right.
unidentified
And this is not a wolf dog.
joe rogan
They're fucking wolves.
tom segura
Did you watch this?
Past season of Eastbound and Down, when he gets his kid a wolf.
Did you see that or no?
No.
It's so ridiculous.
Did you see that, Brian?
Yeah.
What's his name?
Kenny Powers.
Gets his kids a pet wolf.
And he just keeps it in the garage.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
tom segura
And it's on a big chain, like a chain fence.
He's keeping it padlocked.
And it's just like, growling at the kids.
And he's like, go feed it.
And they're like, Have to throw meat at the wolf.
Such a great show.
unidentified
That's what he got.
joe rogan
This is so ridiculous.
unidentified
This is so ridiculous.
Because of their goddamn oral traditions, but it seems legit to me.
You know, I'm not so sure that this is a good gift for a five-year-old.
Come on, it was a perfect gift for Toby.
With my new high-paying television job, I'm not going to be around the house as much as I'd like to be.
So it's very important that Toby has a strong male role model.
So it doesn't turn out weird.
Toad is going to serve as a spirit guide.
joe rogan
Spirit Guide.
unidentified
Because of this opportunity, our family's going to be taken care of forever.
Who knows?
Next stop is Space Camp.
That show is so funny.
tom segura
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's such a good show.
That dude is goddamn hilarious.
tom segura
He's hysterical, man.
joe rogan
Did you see him in This is the End?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Holy shit, is he good.
I mean, that movie, I ran into...
What the fuck's his name?
Craig Robinson, the other night, at the Improv, who's in it, where I was telling him, I go, dude, that movie is so goddamn funny, and you were so funny in it, you know?
And we were talking about the Kenny Power scene, like, when he comes in.
I mean, like, the movie's outstanding, and then he comes in, and just the whole thing goes to this whole new level of craziness.
tom segura
He's hilarious, man.
joe rogan
This guy's hilarious.
I love that character.
tom segura
Kenny Powers?
joe rogan
That really cocky, fucking complete idiot character, but just subtle enough of an idiot that like that kind of shit.
You know, I'm not going to be around a lot, so it's important that he has a strong role model.
Doesn't grow up to be a pansy.
tom segura
He's such a buffoon.
So fucking funny.
joe rogan
Those kind of characters are really funny, man.
tom segura
You know the best part about that character?
I read interviews with him and the other guys, Jody Hill, I think, and Ben, I can't remember his name, but they all are behind this, and they're saying how a lot of people appreciate the character and think it's funny for what it is, and then some people are big fans on another level where they're like, yeah, he's right.
Like, Kane Powers is...
That's how I think, too.
Like, they're that kind of fan where they're like, fuck yeah, man.
That's exactly how I am.
joe rogan
We're fucking Americans, man.
That's who we are.
Tired of this bullshit.
tom segura
Getting a wolf from my kid, too.
It's fucking badass.
You know your shit, Kenny.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's annoying if that dude's your fucking neighbor, but on TV they're awesome.
tom segura
Awesome.
Yeah.
Fucking phenomenal.
joe rogan
But it's almost better than a reality show.
Because if a reality show, like if you had a guy like Kenny Powers and you gave him a reality show, he would become famous and he would get annoying.
Like, essentially that's what you got with the Duck Dynasty people.
You've got a reality show where, oh, whoops, you made someone famous who's a fucking idiot and a homophobe.
And they go, I don't get it.
Why would a man choose a man?
They're not choosing dummy, you know?
But now this guy's on TV, he's famous.
And then you look on Facebook, and you've got all these knuckleheads with their fucking...
What about freedom of speech?
unidentified
You know, I support Duck Dynasty and the Fourth Amendment, whatever amendment it is, First Amendment.
joe rogan
Bitch, you didn't read the Constitution.
Shut your hole.
tom segura
And that show, I'm amazed.
I mean, I get that, like...
joe rogan
Stupid as fuck.
tom segura
The fact that, like, that they're, you know, you're following this family and you feel like this is how they really are...
It's all set-ups.
Like, the show is, like, way overproduced.
joe rogan
So obvious.
unidentified
Of course.
brian redban
All those guys were at AVN, even.
That was creepy.
They were just hanging out at AVN. Like, they have...
They have set-up.
Duck Dynasty guys.
joe rogan
With their duck beards?
brian redban
Yeah.
It was really weird.
joe rogan
They were at AVN, which is the Porn Awards.
brian redban
Porn Awards.
They were there, like, the weekend.
joe rogan
Why were they there?
brian redban
Because that's the cool thing they do.
joe rogan
So they were there for the whole weekend doing press?
brian redban
No, they were just hanging out.
tom segura
And they were at porn events.
joe rogan
So they're normal.
They like watching people fuck.
Good for them.
unidentified
I applaud that, but just not men's anuses.
joe rogan
It is essentially like a Kenny Powers in real life.
That's the problem with them in real life, is my point.
So it's like having a guy like this in a TV show, Eastbound and Down, is actually even better, because it's so good, it's better than a reality show.
Because a reality show, you'd be making that asshole famous, and there'd be people on Facebook, I fucking agree with him, man!
I support him!
unidentified
Fucking support the shit out of him and his right as an American.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, these ideas that...
What is this?
brian redban
This is Will Ferrell and Kenny Powers.
Will Ferrell owns a car dealership.
It's the best fucking shit ever.
joe rogan
Is this from Eastbound and Down?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I need to watch that whole season, man.
I really do.
But...
Yeah, there's a lot of those people in real life, and sometimes folks, all they need is, like, one example like that, and that little shift.
Like, you could have people on the fence who are just thinking about, like, waking up and going, you know, what do I care if someone's gay, man?
What is it in me that gets mad about these gay people?
And why do I, you know, say they're going to burn in hell?
Maybe I should just fucking relax.
And then they see that guy on TV, and they see he's been kicked off TV. You know what?
That's it!
I'm fucking headed up to here with these queers!
I'm like, There's a tipping point where a guy like that on a television show and that whole debate getting out there without any real rational response from either the media, from A&E, from anybody.
No one gets on TV and says, look, we're here to make a big statement about this.
This is what's wrong with this, and this is why we have a problem with it.
It's not about freedom of speech.
It's not about speaking your mind.
It's about what's on your mind, man.
What is on your mind?
Your mind is that they're gonna burn in hell?
Your mind is some fire and brimstone if someone is in love with another man and marries them?
You're an idiot, okay?
You're a dangerous idiot.
You're taking people that I know for a fact are born that way.
I'm no scientist, but I know a gay kid in my neighborhood.
He's five.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He's fucking gay, okay?
There's nothing wrong with that, but he's gay.
This kid's gay.
His parents are trying to get him to play football.
He doesn't want to have nothing to do with football.
He's always dressing up in dresses.
He puts girls' clothes on.
He plays with dolls.
He's a gay kid, okay?
He likes boys.
It's the weirdest thing to see from the jump, but his parents are very supportive.
You know, I mean, they wanted him to try boy things.
He's not really into it, but there's no hate going on, so he's going to be okay.
tom segura
You haven't tried baiting him out of him yet?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
No, but what happens if a kid like that is watching television, and he realizes he's gay, and maybe he's 12 or 13, and he's thinking about sex, and he's watching this, and he feels horrible about himself.
tom segura
Which he probably does, because that definitely happened.
joe rogan
Right, over nothing.
Over something he can't control.
Over something he's born with.
That's why it's dangerous.
It's just as dangerous as being critical about people for a bunch of other things they can't control.
It's just as dangerous as being racist.
People don't understand that.
They don't see it that way.
But a person...
I don't know why anybody would want to choose to hang out with a black man over hanging out with a white man.
I mean, I just don't get it.
There's more there.
That's the same statement.
It's the same statement.
It really is.
There's no difference, man.
tom segura
That's the parallel when people talk about, like, oh, you know, it's not the same thing you've been through and are, like, comparing the civil rights movement to this.
But the thing that's similar is that you're just trying to put down and isolate a group of people for something that they can't control because you don't want any part of that.
So that's the parallel is that whether you don't want to hang around or you want to put down black people or Asian people or whoever it may be, that's the same thing as putting down somebody and not wanting them to have the rights just because they were born with a certain sexual orientation.
That's the parallel.
joe rogan
Well, people don't want anyone to make the comparisons to civil rights.
They don't want anyone to be able to compare to slavery.
tom segura
Yeah, because then they're like, oh, we really are wrong.
joe rogan
Well, no, because what I'm saying is people, like, civil rights people don't like it because they feel that it somehow or another diminishes the horrors of slavery.
Like, there's an issue that people have with, like, comparing something to racism.
And black people, in particular, have an issue with gay people comparing themselves and the plight of gay Americans to racism.
I've seen it.
I've heard people scream and yell about it, about it's not the same, and fuck you, and some people, gay is a choice.
I've seen a lot of weirdness, almost as if...
They're worried that it somehow or another diminishes what's horrible about slavery, which is ridiculous.
Slavery was horrible, still is.
Racism was horrible, still is.
But so is homophobia.
That's just as horrible.
The people that think it's not, it's just because you're not gay.
It's that simple.
If that was who you are, and people were angry about who you are, it would be just as bad as you being born Chinese and people hate Chinese people.
And you're like, what the fuck, man?
I didn't do anything.
You hate me because of the way I was born?
It's the same goddamn thing.
And the idea is, well, yeah, well, nobody ever owned gay people.
They killed them.
It's in the Bible.
It's in the Bible that you should be put to death for lying with another man.
You don't think that they've been persecuted?
There's a hundred different religions where it's illegal or against their rules to be gay.
You could start with Islam and work your way up through a bunch of other different ones.
tom segura
There's countries that don't even...
Yeah, Russia!
joe rogan
Fucking Russia!
tom segura
Russia, that's insane.
joe rogan
Insane!
tom segura
Yeah, that Russia is...
joe rogan
They have discriminatory laws against gay people.
unidentified
They do.
tom segura
And Putin came out, because we were about to have the Winter Olympics there, and said that gay athletes have nothing to worry about, they're not going to be discriminated against when they're in Russia for the Winter Olympics, but...
Rules still apply where you're not supposed to be talking about it to anybody and giving your opinions on.
So we're not going to do anything to you because you're gay and you're here, but don't be talking about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and stay away from kids.
tom segura
And stay away from kids, which was the most...
Really?
Whoa.
That's the part that I didn't mention.
joe rogan
That's a big whoa.
tom segura
That's a big whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, look, they are fostering an environment of hate and fear.
We should look at that very carefully as people that understand human nature, okay?
Let's look at...
What you would want if you were trying to dominate a nation and control it in a sort of a dictatorship form.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is essentially what Putin's got going on there.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, say he was voted in or what.
The guy's not going anywhere if he get voted out, you know?
I mean, he left his term, put in someone who worked for him, and then took over again after that guy was gone.
I mean, he's running Russia, okay?
tom segura
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
The way to run, the way to be a dictator, the way to run an empire is through fear, through control and fear.
And as many enemies as you have that you have to protect the people from, the better.
And so one of the things that dictators do is they start pushing people against other people.
If you can get people to be inter-conflicted amongst the ranks of the normal civilians, you can guarantee that they're going to be busy.
They're going to have conflict.
They're not going to be able to deal with taxes or the rules or the military, choices the military's making.
They're so busy with their own shit, worried about these people going after this group and this ethnic group going after that group and, you know, the gays are going to touch their kids.
I mean, there's...
And then, you know, fostering violence against gay people is going to foster anger from gay people against straight people.
I mean, there's a blowback on both sides.
You guarantee conflict.
tom segura
Yeah, it's so, it's so, it guarantees that it's so crazy, outrageous to, you know, suggest, like imply that gays will want children, you know?
joe rogan
It's almost like he's trolling.
tom segura
Yeah, like the idea that they're not, you know, adults with natural, you know, sexual behavior just happens to be for a different...
But that they would not be able to control themselves and be attracted to.
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It's so crazy and so stupid.
tom segura
I think a thing, by the way, about why you say black people sometimes get more fired up about the comparison is, in my experience...
A lot of black people that come from, like, really Christian homes, they're more intolerant towards gay people a lot of times.
joe rogan
The ones who come from really Christian homes.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Well, that's what happened with Proposition 8 in California.
I mean, that was a real embarrassment where they repealed gay people's right to marry.
That was an embarrassment.
And a disproportionate amount of black people voted for that.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a weird number.
It was like over 50%.
tom segura
But I think even like outside of the Christian homes, you would find, I think in a lot of cases, more homophobia in the black community.
I think it exists more.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
tom segura
Yeah, I do.
I think it does.
joe rogan
How much black work have you done?
tom segura
I can dance.
I can do a lot of things.
I'm saying that black people are 13% of our population.
All I'm saying is that I think a bigger percentage of the population is homophobic.
I'm getting it from just having spoken and been exposed to a lot of black people.
joe rogan
What's amazing, apparently, a lot of these African American churches organized drives to vote against Proposition 8. But I was saying that the church community is bigger in black culture.
tom segura
That's a bigger thing.
And I think that that...
They're pretty openly, most of the time, saying that it's bad, that gays are bad.
So I think that that kind of breeds that homophobia more in that community.
I'm not saying that all black people are homophobic or that they're all preaching that and all doing that.
I'm saying that I think that exists more in that culture, in that community.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
There's not just that, but Mormons also spent a lot of money.
tom segura
Mormons very much.
I mean, I think a lot of people have given the credit to the Mormons for defeating that Prop 8, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they put a lot of money into it, apparently.
tom segura
A lot of money, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is, I had a joke about it in Talking Monkeys in Space.
tom segura
Oh yeah, about...
joe rogan
That Mormons should be afraid of gay people because if you're dumb enough to be a Mormon.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tom segura
That was really funny.
joe rogan
Pretty much, someone can talk you to being a Mormon, they can talk you in the suck of their dick.
It's just a matter of how much time they spend with you.
tom segura
Yeah, then you break down the whole, you know, what Mormonism is.
Which is like, right, isn't it?
The guy was like, no, I got all the rules.
They gave them to me.
joe rogan
But, you know, what's interesting is that this also becomes another point of contention because now black people are being persecuted by gay people.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, it puts this weird thing.
tom segura
So there's another battle taking place.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I don't believe in those kind of conspiracies.
Mm-hmm.
necessarily that like the whole social structure of this country is organized keep people poor so there's conflict and keep people rich so they keep voting for corporations they want to protect their wealth yeah this is and keep the the divide between the two and every now and then you know organized chaos in a way that we were sort of kind of hinting that maybe Putin or someone does but if you're gonna do it this is the way to do it yeah the way to do it is to take like what's your ordinary like liberals okay let's let's break down liberals Liberals,
like, left wing, they're almost always voting pro-minority.
They vote pro-minority and almost always pro-gay rights.
So what better to separate that mess and cause confusion amongst the ranks is to get those two factors on your enemy, these two, like, static, constant factors, and have them duking it out.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
So now you have people who support gay rights and people that support the idea that gays should be married duking it out with black people, with minorities and Christian minorities who almost universally vote Democratic.
So it's like, whoa, that was a tricky thing you did there.
tom segura
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Because by causing trouble between those groups of people, you essentially weaken the entire party.
And that's what happens.
If you connect black people and gay people, that black people keep gay people from voting, the whole left wing becomes a fucking mess.
It becomes chaos, because white guilt runs rampant through the left, through Democrats, so many, especially educated Democrats, Who are filled with white guilt.
Yeah.
And they don't want to come down on black people.
And they don't want to come down on black people even for something as heinous as Proposition 8. Yeah.
Because if Proposition 8 was being supported by a bunch of church-going white people, much more like it was being read, you know, strictly by Baptists, but white Baptists.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was all these white Baptist leaders on TV talk.
You would marginalize them as fools, as buffoons.
They would joke about them.
But people weren't doing that about black people.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It was this weird sort of like touchy subject, tough to do.
You know, you didn't see people like mocking all these black people, like whether it's on The Daily Show or whether it's on any of these left-wing websites.
We're mocking black people for the majority of them voting for this.
tom segura
Right.
Yeah, you didn't see that.
joe rogan
No, the whole thing gets very tricky.
tom segura
Yeah, it's interesting, too.
The big thing now is, for the last few years, people trying to figure out how the Republican Party can really compete again, win the White House and win certain other elections.
And one of the things that keeps being brought up is that The younger, there's certain constants among the left and the right.
Like if you go abortion, you know who's pro-life, who's pro-choice.
And with the gay thing is that The far right won't, you know, support that, right?
They're not going to support it.
But the younger generation of new voters, even ones who are conservative, have conservative values, grew up in a world where it's more welcoming to the gay community.
And they're not necessarily—like, moderate ones can be— I tell you, you're always going to try to win over, right?
Somebody who's not an extremist.
They're leaning left now, younger voters, because of some of these extreme constants.
And so it's like, if that party, the right, could...
joe rogan
I think it most certainly would.
tom segura
Yeah, and would they then be able to compete more for these maybe younger voters, you know, the more open-minded young people who feel like that's a basic right?
It's kind of an interesting way to look at it.
Like, if you change your position on that, do you then get somebody who you want elected?
joe rogan
You get a lot of the no-nonsense people that just happen to vote left because of social issues.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
You would get those.
And that's a pretty substantial number.
70% of black people voted in favor for Proposition 8. 70% of black people voted that gay people shouldn't be allowed to be married and that they should take that right away from them.
That's incredible.
That's fucking gross.
That's gross and terrifying.
It's funny because I'm reading an article on Huffington Post.
Stop blaming California's black voters for Proposition 8. That's what it says?
Yeah.
Okay.
Don't blame them.
Because a lot of other people voted for it as well.
But if you don't think that it's embarrassing and gross that 70% of black people voted for some silly law that takes away the right for people that are in love to get married, I think maybe it is because, I mean, obviously it's religious.
That's the big thing.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like black dudes who just don't want to get married at all.
They're like, man, fuck this.
No one should get married.
Let's stop it with gay people.
If less of them get married, less of us have to get married, let's cut the shit.
tom segura
That's the black agenda.
unidentified
I'm tired of divorce, dude.
tom segura
Let's end marriage, man.
joe rogan
I'm tired of divorce.
I don't know.
It's just how people are raised.
tom segura
That's all it is.
People change later on in life.
If you're young, you think a certain way.
Some of those people will be converted to thinking differently with time.
joe rogan
You know, anybody...
You can have your own ideas in this life.
You can have your own thoughts and you can have your own unique point of view.
The real problem is when your ideas start fucking with other people's lives for no reason.
Your ideas are...
Based on just some shit that you believe that's 2,000 plus years old.
If you want to believe the gay thing in the Bible, man, you're really cherry picking.
Because there's a lot of other shit in there too, along with gay people.
You're not supposed to wear two different types of clothes.
You're not supposed to wear silk and cot.
That's punishable by sins upon your life.
tom segura
Smash your hand with rocks.
joe rogan
There's some great old...
You know, sayings that they used to say.
But one of them is like, you threaten with death if you rend your clothes, if you tear your clothes.
So like people who have like holes where their knees are and shit like that, fashion, in the Bible you're supposed to die for that.
You're supposed to be put to death for that.
tom segura
Man, there's some neighborhoods we could really wipe out right now.
joe rogan
We could go in there and clean house.
tom segura
You're gone, Silver Lake.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Silver Lake doesn't do that anymore.
tom segura
Oh, they have a new fashion?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're cardigans now, right?
tom segura
Oh, shit, maybe.
joe rogan
Aren't they like all hipsters?
Here's 19 things the Bible forbids other than homosexuality.
I put this on Twitter the other day because it's just...
It's so fucking silly.
Here's the exact quote in Leviticus.
Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes, yet ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.
Okay, so if you don't uncover not your heads, which means don't uncover your head, keep your head covered.
Got it.
Okay, if you don't keep your head covered, that means you're going to die and wrath will come upon all the people.
So everyone not wearing a hat, you fucked us up.
Imagine if that was the key, that all we had to do was all wear hats, and God was like, good, peace on earth.
tom segura
I love hats.
joe rogan
I wrote that shit down a long time ago.
You motherfuckers didn't listen.
Everyone's caught up in this gay shit.
I want hats!
I want fucking everyone wearing a hat!
tom segura
Wear a hat.
By God, God's orders are wear Kangals.
I got stock in that company.
joe rogan
It's like God's hair nut.
Like, if you work in a restaurant, you have to wear a hair nut.
God's like, you're not wearing hats, you fuck!
tom segura
Make a soup over here, man.
joe rogan
Make no mistake, folks.
I'm not paraphrasing.
I'm directly quoting this from the English translation of the Bible.
Uncover not your heads.
Jesus!
brian redban
Maybe it meant your other head.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe it keeps your dick covered, but they didn't call that a head back then.
They called it a mushroom cap.
They thought it was a mushroom.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're not supposed to trim your beard, by the way.
Neither shall thou mar the corners of thy beard.
Oh.
How come they're not going crazy about that?
unidentified
The President of the United States is clearly shaving his beard.
joe rogan
Death will come upon us.
tom segura
It's not convenient.
joe rogan
So fucking stupid.
You know what's even more stupid?
Really religious people with religious tattoos.
Because that's in the Bible too, fuckface!
You're not supposed to get tattoos!
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you.
I am the Lord.
Cuts in your flesh for the dead.
Like, instead of, like, marking a picture of your mom.
Like, Eddie Bravo's got a...
Kat Von D did a tattoo of his grandma on his chest.
It's beautiful.
And it reminds him of his grandma.
Against the Bible!
tom segura
Death.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You're not supposed to...
I mean, that's essentially what it is.
You print something on you.
unidentified
It's a tattoo.
tom segura
So if we followed all the rules of the Bible, it would just be like a murderous rampage constantly in the world.
joe rogan
We would be so fucked.
tom segura
Slaughtering everybody.
joe rogan
Everyone would be fucked.
Well, how about every Catholic would burn at the stake, okay?
You would all die in hell.
Because you're not supposed to drink wine in church.
You're not supposed to do that.
It says in the Bible, Leviticus 10.9, Do not drink wine, nor strong drink, though...
This is so weird.
Nor thy sons with thee when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die.
Okay, so what that means is you drink wine in church, you die.
But everybody drinks wine in church!
tom segura
Part of the Holy Sacrament.
brian redban
Was there even a quote that he said, like, I don't even want you to make a church, I'd rather you...
joe rogan
Yes, well that was Jesus.
See, the Jesus stuff is very, it's much different.
The Jesus stuff, you gotta get your piss on?
unidentified
All the...
joe rogan
The Jesus stuff is very different because Jesus and most of what a lot of people quote about that is all from the New Testament and the New Testament is even sketchier than the Old Testament.
The Old Testament is sketchy because it was originally written in ancient Hebrew and the oldest versions of some of these stories are actually the Dead Sea Scrolls which are written in Aramaic and they're actually on animal skins that they found in an area of Israel called Qumran and they found these clay pots and inside these clay pots They found these ancient, ancient scrolls.
And some of them are so fucked up that they have to piece them together with, like, tweezers.
And they've spent years and years and years and years deciphering these things, man.
And, you know, you can see them online, actually.
They have photos.
Let me see.
I think there's a website, Dead Sea Scrolls, online.
But...
That's the only version of the Bible that's in Aramaic.
Yeah, Dead Sea Scrolls Online, it's actually dss.collections.img.org.
Just look up Dead Sea Scrolls Online and Google it.
brian redban
Get a new address.
joe rogan
Yeah, that shit's ridiculous.
Well, it's some academic.
But you can read these scrolls.
Like, click on each one, Brian, and you can actually get an image of the actual scroll itself.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
And all that stuff's on animal skins.
So this is in Aramaic, which is the only version of the Bible I think that they know of that's in Aramaic.
So all this shit that we're reading here is the stuff that's from essentially the oldest stories of the Bible.
The New Testament was actually commissioned by Constantine.
The Roman Emperor Constantine.
brian redban
There's big chunks missing from this.
So there could be a word that says, don't, instead of do it.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, it's clearly, you know, they don't have the full work.
But it's pretty amazing that they even have that.
Because, you know, this is thousands and thousands and thousands of years old.
And it's made out of an animal skin.
I mean, it's really pretty incredible that it exists at all.
I mean, even if it's only pieces of it, but it's so cool that they found this shit in clay pots.
And these, of course, were stories that were told in like an oral tradition for a thousand years before anybody figured out how to write them down.
But then you're dealing with the New Testament, which was Constantine and a bunch of bishops put together.
So it's much more recent.
They actually know who the people were who put it together.
And it was all like way after Jesus was dead.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
tom segura
Isn't that crazy, though, when you really stop and think about the fact that some dudes wrote this down?
joe rogan
Not just some dudes, but an emperor who clearly wanted to convert all of his people to Christianity to control them.
tom segura
But that we still are like, well, this is the thing we've got to follow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the dude, Constantine, didn't even get baptized until, like, right before he died.
Like, you know, I mean, I think, you know, he had to get baptized so that the next people could say, no, no, no, we got him.
He's good.
You know, stay Christian.
Everyone stays Christian.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because if he dies and he's not baptized, you have to admit to the entire world that this guy, you know, somehow or another is going to hell.
The guy who converted everybody to Christianity ran the Roman Empire that way.
And hired all these bishops to put together the Bible.
That's where the New Testament comes from.
So when you're dealing with the New Testament, you're dealing with an even squirrelier piece of work.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's like, what dubious fucking origins?
Like, you're telling me Constantine's got a direct line to God?
Some murderous Roman Empire guy, he's got a direct line to God?
Bitch, just get the fuck out of here.
tom segura
Get my face right here.
joe rogan
The oldest, oldest shit is ridiculous.
The newer, older shit is ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If there was no Bible at all, man, somebody would try to make one up.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
Some dude would be right now writing it.
tom segura
Do you ever think about...
You know how every year or a few years a story will come about where a guy's like, I'm Christ.
Like, I'm Jesus Christ.
I'm back.
And then, you know, whatever.
He'll fucking die in a shootout or some shit or get arrested.
Do you ever think about the fact that, like...
2,000 years ago, somebody could have been like, I'm God.
And that's that guy?
It's just that it happened long ago and nothing happened to him?
joe rogan
Of course.
If you're just really good at it, you could dominate a huge group of people.
And by the way, you could also have some really cool shit to say as well as being a fucking nut.
Like Deepak Chopra.
Like Deepak Chopra, we were talking about him on ONA. He's got some really cool shit to say.
He's a silly man.
He says a lot of silly shit.
Like, I used to be an atheist until I realized I was God.
That was one of his quotes.
tom segura
Because we're all God?
Is that that kind of thing?
joe rogan
What the fuck ever?
Shut up.
You're not God.
You know?
Turn some water into wine.
You can't do it?
Shut your mouth.
tom segura
We're all God.
You're God.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get it.
That's silly.
Shut your mouth.
Don't say shit like that.
It's stupid.
It makes people marginalize you.
Marginalizes the whole idea of universal consciousness when you talk in such fucking vague and silly terms.
unidentified
Well, Joseph.
joe rogan
Oh, we're all God.
Oh, please, go on.
Go on with your Gucci sunglasses.
brian redban
Civilization theory, you're a God, though.
If that was true.
joe rogan
Well, simulation theory, no.
You're part of a program.
And you're running this program somehow or another in the background.
Simulation theory is not that you're...
You're thinking of, like, the secret more.
You're thinking, instead of simulation theory, you think of the power of suggestion or the power of positive thinking or the idea...
brian redban
I was thinking of me somewhere in the future, just sitting there watching myself sleep.
Or, you know, like...
I'm the one that started the program and I'm kind of playing a game right now of me right here.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I don't think anybody thinks that.
brian redban
I think that.
joe rogan
That you created this whole thing?
brian redban
I think that somewhere in the future I'm sitting here doing a simulation of myself.
joe rogan
Well, and I don't think people think that they created it.
I think most people think that it's just something that's running that you're a part of.
But if you think that you actually created itself, you know, why don't you know how to create anything now?
Like how come you're not like a computer programmer?
You lost all that knowledge in the simulation?
brian redban
No, because this me is just a program.
joe rogan
So you, it's like you can marginalize yourself in your computer program.
So you could be like some super genius who knows all and say, I am going to give myself limited knowledge and information in this life.
brian redban
It's a realistic simulation.
joe rogan
As a goof, to make life more difficult, I'm going to make myself really dumb and lazy.
And I'm going to give myself a club foot.
And I'm going to give myself one hand that works, another hand that's like semi-paralyzed from birth.
Like, it's so crazy.
Like, we're all doing it.
We're all creating our own universe and just some people did a really shitty job of designing themselves.
brian redban
No, that's just to make it look realistic.
You have to have, like, legless people around there.
joe rogan
Okay, so they're not you, so they're not real.
brian redban
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's Melissa Etheridge type thinking.
tom segura
Is that what she thinks?
joe rogan
Melissa Etheridge says that she gets on an airplane, she's really happy for all the other people on the airplane because she knows that airplane's not going to crash because she's on it because she's sort of creating her world.
tom segura
That's awesome.
joe rogan
The power of suggestion.
tom segura
I'm really, really proud of her.
brian redban
I love it.
joe rogan
Well, maybe she's right.
Here's the thing.
It's so easy to goof on her or anybody who thinks that way, but we can't prove that's not the case.
tom segura
We can't.
joe rogan
We can't prove what kind of power your consciousness has over the world itself.
We assume there's a lot of random factors that come into play in life.
Whether it's with car accidents or meteor impacts or disease, name it, fill in the blank.
But we don't know that.
And there's a lot of things about being a person that are very strange.
There's a lot of things about our interactions with each other, about energy, about the amount of energy you put out and what you get back, the way you interact with humans.
And how do we not know that those things in some way or another, the way you interact with people, flavor not just your relationships with those people, but the entire reality that you live in?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's very possible that there's more flexibility and that the world is more malleable than we think it is.
And that we have everything defined in terms of what something weighs or how much distance this is.
But these are just sort of crude static factors in a constantly changing and moving world.
And the human mind interacting with that world might be much more significant than we think it is.
It's one of the The smallest, tiniest thing.
It's magic.
It's all magic.
When you get into quantum mechanics, when you get into string theory, subatomic particles, when you get into really complex mathematics and different experiments they do on the smallest, tiniest, measurable parts of the world, it's all magic.
It's all empty space.
I mean, atoms are mostly empty space.
Inside these subatomic particles, they're moving and they're still at the same time.
They blink in and out of existence.
They go somewhere and they disappear and then they come back.
We have no idea where they go.
We just know they go somewhere.
They exhibit magic.
The lowest measurable part of the universe itself is magic.
The smallest portions that we can measure are magic.
So just because everything is big and this table is made out of oak and this microphone is metal, that doesn't mean shit.
I mean, it means shit if I hit you over the head with this, it's gonna fucking hurt because that's the rules we've chosen.
But the actual reality itself, it's very malleable.
There's a lot of weirdness to the world.
I don't think Melissa Etheridge is totally right.
I think there's a lot of hubris involved in thinking that you have the answer and that you thinking good thoughts and, you know, this plane is never gonna crash.
I don't believe that.
I mean, this is coming also from a person who suffered from cancer.
So it's like, I think it's a self-serving philosophy to think that way.
You might be right, but to say you're right, I think, is crazy.
tom segura
Yeah, and you can't dictate.
I mean, I think positive thinking is a good thing, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It's not all safe because you walked in the room.
joe rogan
But it might be.
That's what's fucked.
It might not be.
tom segura
Might be, meaning it might be because it's her?
Or it might be because of...
joe rogan
Because of anybody.
tom segura
Anybody.
joe rogan
Anybody who thinks a certain way.
Anybody who lives their life with...
It sounds like bullshit.
Trust me.
If people are going crazy right now listening to this, I agree with you.
It sounds like bullshit.
Most likely, it's not true.
But it might be true.
We can't prove that it's not.
We don't know all of the interactions that the human mind and consciousness have on the universe itself.
We don't know.
We assume that it's as simple as you are responsible for your life, you're responsible for your actions, you're responsible for where you drive and where you go to school, what comes out of your mouth.
We assume that that is just a part of the mathematical interaction of human beings in this culture, in this society, in this civilization.
But we're not totally sure.
It is possible that your thinking and that your mind itself might affect reality.
Because the reality that you see and the reality that I see is just what's in front of us.
We assume that this is constantly going on behind the scenes.
You assume that when you go home and you sit in front of the TV, you assume I exist.
Until I text you, you don't know for sure.
Until you call me or we meet and we high-five and get on a plane, go tell some jokes, we don't know that we exist.
We just assume, based on the evidence that I've accumulated, when I go home, I assume that you, Tommy Buns, live your life.
But I don't know what the fuck you do.
The whole thing could be a joke.
My life could be non-real.
In your world, I could be just what happens when you come around the program that is Joe Rogan.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
I might not be real.
You leave this room and you go out and this whole thing might shut down.
And the only time it turns on is when you're watching.
Sort of like the difference between particles being observed and not being observed.
They exhibit different behavior because they're interacting with whatever the fuck it is that measures them.
tom segura
It all goes back to reality is what you make of it.
joe rogan
Maybe.
tom segura
Well, maybe, but you can really...
If you decide to live your life within that thought that reality is what I make of it, you dictate everything.
joe rogan
In a lot of ways, you do.
In a lot of ways, you do.
brian redban
When people die, they always say they see the light.
When they come back to life, when they die, they always see the light.
They always say, like, I saw my...
Family was all there and it was all cloudy.
People were smoking weed.
What if that was just you waking up going, oh yeah, this was a whole program that I did and my family's here and we're all just hanging out.
joe rogan
Well, that's a joke that I used to do about the aliens.
The simulation theory, what it really is, the reason why aliens exist, that's us.
Aliens are us in the future, and what we are is we're people that fucked up, and we evolved too far.
We eliminated all the fun out of the world.
We eliminated sex, blowjobs, muscle cars, cigarettes.
We took out whiskey.
We eliminated all human conflict, and what are we left with?
We're left with boring bullshit.
We don't have bodies.
We have these weird stick bodies anymore.
We don't have dicks.
Somewhere along the line, people realize that dicks and vaginas are causing huge fucking problems.
There's too many women out there that are getting pregnant to keep a man.
There's too many men out there that are raping.
There's too much nonsense.
There's too many people that are having babies that really don't support these children correctly.
So sex and sexual urges being what's responsible for breeding, we gotta factor that out.
We gotta take that out of the equation.
So one day, they got everything Like, changed and evolved to a point where they eliminated all the variables in the world.
They have too much power and they eliminated sex and emotions.
And we don't like it.
So we plug ourselves in to a simulated version of the roaring 20s of the digital age.
It's not a coincidence that we are, at this moment in time, the craziest moment the world has ever known, where the world and the universe is constantly changing every second of every day.
It's not a coincidence at all.
In fact, this is what we asked for.
We asked to be born in this time.
We right now...
I mean, I said this on stage Friday night, but I believe it.
We live in the greatest time to be alive ever.
This is the strangest, wildest, most...
They're the most possibility-filled time in life.
There's so many things going on constantly.
There was something in the news today that the first monkeys were born that have...
They altered the genetics of them.
I'll pull it up on Twitter because this is such a strange...
strange...
When I posted it, everybody was like, wait a minute, isn't this how fucking Planet of the Apes got started?
But it is how Planet of the Apes got started.
These idea, first monkeys with customized DNA, programmed genetic mutations.
So they are programmed genetic mutations, and these monkeys were born.
So they're working on creating a perfect monkey.
They're going to alter the genes of these monkeys, and they're going to continue to alter genes of the monkeys until essentially they have a monkey that's as smart as a fucking person.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Or a monkey that has a giant dick.
Or a monkey that grows wings and flies like a bat.
tom segura
This program's in place?
This is something that's being planned?
joe rogan
The monkeys are born.
These monkeys are born.
We live in a fantastic time.
And the idea being that what the aliens are, when everybody has these archetypal experiences, it's always these things that look very similar to what you would expect human beings to eventually become.
If you go back to the lower hominids, you go back to monkeys, you go back to chimpanzees, you go back to the great apes, And you look at them in comparison to us, what do you see?
Well, they have more hair, they look much stronger, they're much more physically fit.
You take the average person that works in an office, the average man, and you compare them to the great apes.
They're all fat and they're skinny, they have no muscle.
What is going to be next?
What's going to be next?
Well, what's going to be next is that we're going to continue the trend to not need brawn, to not need biological strength.
The brains are going to get bigger.
Telekinesis, the ability to control things with the mind, the ability to talk without using language, so the mouth is going to shrink up.
The environment's going to be all fucked, so you're going to have to need built-in sunglasses.
You've got these fucking gigantic black eyes that are going to evolve because we're going to ruin our fucking atmosphere.
I mean, they literally are what we'd expect us to look like a million years from now.
We would expect human beings to slowly but surely evolve into that.
If we used to be hairy little furry rodents, which is what we were, the idea of, you know, there was no primates 65 million years ago, okay?
When the great extinction event happened that killed off the dinosaurs, the giant piece of rock from the sky that hit the Yucatan, there was no primates.
Primates, somehow or another, Evolved out of that, out of the shrews and the monkey and the rats and whatever the fuck survived.
Whatever mammalian life forms survived.
tom segura
It's so crazy to think of.
joe rogan
That's only 65 million years ago, man.
That's as far back as we know.
For sure, there was no people, no way, no how.
And it's a blink of an eye.
In terms of the universe, it's a blink of an eye, 65 million years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So we're so positive that things got wiped out at 65 million years ago.
So positive.
So positive that's when the dinosaurs died off.
So from then on, somehow or another, people were created.
That's nothing!
That's a goddamn blink of the eye!
And if you look at how much different we look than the early monkeys, What's next?
Aliens is next.
That's next.
It's 100% next.
That's what you would think.
If we're going to continue this trend of no hair, hair loss on the arms and the body, people are getting less hairy, people are getting less strong, they're getting smaller, you're using your fingers and Eventually you're going to use Google Glasses so you're just going to talk to it.
Eventually it's going to be able to read your mind so you don't have to talk.
Your fucking vocal cords are going to shrink up.
We're going to all agree to genetically alter ourselves so we don't have penises anymore.
As soon as they come up with a fucking thing that you can program into that takes you in a wild sexual ride of simulation that you could never achieve with your actual real dick, you'd be like, I don't need this stupid thing anymore.
Your dick is going to be just as dumb as a horse.
Your dick is going to be like something that you're like, remember when people used to fuck with dicks?
You gotta laugh about it.
Just like when sending a fucking pigeon with a note wrapped around its leg.
Why would I do that when I can text you?
You wouldn't.
You wouldn't.
But what about the actual having the writing in your hand?
Get the fuck out of here.
The dude will send me a selfie with a big smile and a thumbs up and it gets to me in one second.
josh olin
I have to rely on some stupid pigeon.
joe rogan
That's going to be what sex becomes.
Sex is going to become some silly thing that we don't need to do anymore.
Because we're going to have some integrated...
Pleasure system that's in our mind where we're going to be able to just go.
Get that release.
You're going to be able to fuck anyone you want, man.
You're going to be able to have insane sex with Christy Brinkley when she was 21. You're going to be able to fuck the hottest woman on the planet.
You're going to be able to have sex with a hundred Beyonce's.
tom segura
The Wu-Tang Clan.
joe rogan
In a room.
The whole Wu-Tang Clan is going to suck your dick.
unidentified
Awesome.
joe rogan
Whoever you want.
You're going to literally be able to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it.
Once they figure out, look at this Oculus Rift thing.
What we're seeing when we see Oculus Rift is the first photograph.
Do you ever see those first photographs where they used to have a thing?
They would throw a tent over their back.
They'd be hiding in this box.
You ever see the really old cameras?
The way they used to set up?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, right.
That's right.
joe rogan
They would throw a towel over the top of their head.
tom segura
That's right.
joe rogan
And they would point this thing and everybody had to stay still for a minute.
tom segura
Yeah.
Don't fucking move.
joe rogan
Don't fucking move.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we're seeing with Oculus Rift.
tom segura
What do you think physically will be the evolutionary change of humans?
They'll shrink?
Do you think we're shrinking?
joe rogan
We're eventually going to get to the point where we don't need...
People are getting bigger now, but that's because of protein.
Protein intake, because people understand diet better.
And as far as athletes, you're dealing with hormonal manipulation, growth hormone, testosterone.
You're also dealing with massive scientific advances in strength and conditioning training.
And then also...
There's some selective breeding, big people dating big people.
Is that Christy Brinkley?
brian redban
Yes, this is her today.
joe rogan
60. She's jamming.
tom segura
Jesus.
joe rogan
You've got to see her moving around, too.
It's not an illusion.
It's not an illusion created by the photograph.
I mean, she definitely looks like an older, mature woman, but I would send it home.
I would send it home.
unidentified
She's 60?
joe rogan
Yep.
Send it home.
I'd have to be real careful, because I am a fucking animal.
tom segura
You know what I'm saying, buddy?
You think you'd hurt her?
unidentified
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying, buddy?
tom segura
I've got that hip strength.
joe rogan
I've got lower back muscles.
They're thick.
They're cords.
tom segura
Cettabell swings?
joe rogan
All that shit, son.
I do a lot of those.
I do a lot of those.
tom segura
Do it with Christy.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Well, they're going to get to a point where you're going to be able to reverse aging.
Unquestionably, they're working on that.
And they're already doing tests on that on other animals.
tom segura
I feel like this path is going to lead us to just...
Be born and just lay down with a fucking monitor in front of us like and just you sip your fucking nutrients in a cup and never stand up and just plug into whatever you want to be.
joe rogan
We're gonna get our nutrients the same way those wireless pads are when you know you take one of those new cell phones we get sitted on something and it just charges you don't even have to plug it in.
That's how we're gonna get our nutrients.
Our nutrients are gonna be delivered through our car seats.
As we drive to work, we're going to get nutrients.
You're going to drive to work naked, and the nutrients are going to just be absorbed by your body skin.
I mean, why not your skin?
I mean, you rub testosterone cream on, testosterone cream absorbs right through your skin.
They're going to fuck it, and you're going to be able to sit in your little Honda on your way to work, and your car is going to feed you.
tom segura
I believe it.
joe rogan
No shitting, no farting.
tom segura
No farting.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you want to feel a Henry VIII orgy of food and big fucking turkey legs, you just program that.
Punch in that program and take you on a journey to Henry VIII land.
You'll dine at a gigantic oak table with enemy heads hanging from the fucking ceiling.
tom segura
It's pretty awesome to think of all the worlds you could create and just jump into it in a second.
joe rogan
It's coming, dude.
We are just so...
I'm comfortable with the world that we live in now.
It seems so normal to us.
But you have a lamp on your table over there.
You got a goddamn lava lamp sitting next to you.
This weird gooey shit is bouncing up and down.
Someone figured out a way to have electricity The shit that creates lightning come through the walls in these weird pipes.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got the wrong one there, silly face.
You can't see it.
Push that in front of the assault lamp.
Pull that thing over so people can see what we're talking about.
Grab the bottom of it.
Grab the bottom of it.
unidentified
Here?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Watch out.
It's going to fall.
joe rogan
It's not going to fall.
Look at that thing.
If you brought that thing back in time, if you brought that thing, just a simple-ass stupid lava lamp, if you brought that back in time and showed someone from King Arthur's time, they'd kill you.
unidentified
Definitely.
tom segura
You use sorcery!
joe rogan
My lord!
There's electricity in the walls.
There's lightning in the walls!
We're going to die!
You're going to die.
Stick a fork in that hole in the wall and you're dead.
Every person has a hole in their house where you stick a fork in and you're dead.
tom segura
Yeah.
That's crazy, isn't it?
joe rogan
It's ridiculous!
You might not die.
You might just get really fucked up.
tom segura
I got lucky as a kid.
I stuck a key into an outlet.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom segura
And I don't know how the...
I guess it had maybe the shutoff, you know...
joe rogan
Yeah, circuit breakers.
tom segura
Right, but I stuck it in.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom segura
Sparks flew...
I mean, flew out of it.
The key broke in half.
Like, the burnt end stayed in.
It burned, charred.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom segura
And it broke, and I was just like, I think I fucked up in here.
unidentified
Like...
brian redban
I did the same thing, but I took a wire.
My idea is it's going to transfer electricity from the top outlet to the bottom outlet.
And so I put it in there, and I remember my dad was watching Incredible Hulk at the time, because that's why I was in the kitchen hiding.
And so I put in the wire, sparks, and fire.
It felt like it was fire, but I'm sure it was just sparks.
tom segura
If we had done that in the 50s, we'd just be dead, probably, right?
joe rogan
Well, if you had done that during the days of direct current, it would have been very different.
tom segura
Very different.
joe rogan
Do you remember the Thomas Edison experiments they did when Thomas Edison was trying to warn people against the effects of alternating current?
They cooked an elephant.
They hook this elephant up to these wires and barbecue this elephant?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
You never seen that?
It's pretty crazy.
Thomas Edison, interesting cat, because obviously great genius and inventor and responsible for a lot of pretty incredible things, but also was doing battle with the concepts that were being endorsed by other scientists, like even Nikola Tesla, who was an alternating current guy.
He believed in ultimate current, and Edison, his whole thing was set up on direct current.
So if you watch it, pull that video up, because it's fucking crazy.
Like this is, again, when you think about human beings, it's not that long ago, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, this is, what was it?
19 what?
When did this happen?
brian redban
Jesus.
joe rogan
1903. 1903. So this is when people were just starting to figure out what the fuck electricity could do.
And they have this elephant chained up, and Thomas Edison's like, look, I'm going to show you guys what happens if you don't fucking listen to me!
tom segura
So he did this just to disprove the other guys.
joe rogan
Yes, but watch what he does.
They have this thing connected to this, and they just charge it up and zap this elephant.
Look, he's cooking right now.
tom segura
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
This poor elephant is just standing there, and boom, it falls over dead.
tom segura
Damn.
joe rogan
And that's in your house.
That's in your walls.
And Edison was trying to let you know, like, listen to me, bitch.
Like, what a crazy fuck that guy is.
He didn't just try to prove it with science.
He said, okay, I'm going to show you.
I'm going to take something bigger than you, and I'm going to cook it.
I'm going to cook it with electricity.
tom segura
In, like, two seconds.
joe rogan
Yeah, so let's not...
So that must have been, like, a huge, like, wave of fear and paranoia after that.
Like, they cooked a fucking elephant with this new type of electricity.
tom segura
Because in that case, what did he...
He hooked it up...
joe rogan
He cooked it!
They covered it with wires.
I mean, they connected it with wires and then fucking just electrocuted the shit out of it.
tom segura
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That was Thomas Edison!
Could you imagine if in 2014, okay?
If, you know...
100 plus years later, they did that.
Do you imagine if someone tried to prove something?
If they tried to prove, you know, we are on the verge of wireless electricity, ladies and gentlemen, in order to tell you what is wrong with wireless electricity.
Here's, you know, Marty McFuckface, and Marty McFuckface, the scientist, shows us.
Here we are in Times Square, ladies and gentlemen.
This is an elephant.
It is connected to this receiver, and we're going to broadcast wireless electricity to his brain.
Watch what happens.
This poor elephant.
Fucking ears stick out, strip.
Starts bleeding from his eyeballs and falls face first.
PETA would be all over it.
Everyone would freak out.
tom segura
That dude would get killed immediately.
joe rogan
They would kill him.
If they didn't kill him, they would beat him.
They would torture him to the end of time.
He's an asshole.
You're not even eating an elephant.
It's not like a cow that you electrocute it and then you eat it.
No, you're just killing it.
You're killing it to prove a point.
That's just a hundred plus years ago, man.
tom segura
It's really not long ago at all.
unidentified
It's not at all!
joe rogan
If you really stop and think about how much different people are, 2003 it was?
Or, well, 1903, really?
Yeah, 1903. Think about that.
tom segura
Dude, behaviors change so much.
If you measure by decades, it's crazy how much.
joe rogan
How about you measure by movies?
Men used to slap women across the face all the time.
Slap women!
tom segura
James Cagney.
joe rogan
Heroes!
Heroes.
tom segura
Heroes.
joe rogan
Heroes used to smack women right across the face.
John Wayne style.
Get a hold of yourself.
unidentified
Smack!
joe rogan
Smack!
And the woman would just stand there and take it.
And then they'd start making out.
tom segura
That's Sean Connery in that interview talking about it.
You've seen that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
If she doesn't listen, if she doesn't listen, just smack you around.
joe rogan
He was saying that women have a way of getting you to do that.
tom segura
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Dude, you're dating the wrong bitches.
unidentified
Yeah.
Smacking them.
For sure.
joe rogan
You're dating the wrong women.
All women don't do that.
tom segura
Hell no.
joe rogan
You're choosing to date that style of person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There were people 200 years ago that wouldn't cause you to hit them.
They wouldn't torment you.
Not everybody wants to be constantly in conflict.
It's such a stupid state.
tom segura
He's drawn to the conflict.
That's why.
He's an actor.
unidentified
He's an actor.
joe rogan
As awesome as he is, he's an actor.
tom segura
He's an actor.
joe rogan
But he also, you know, he's coming from a different era.
tom segura
For sure.
But he looked at, I think that was Barbara Walters, he was like, I'm going to smack you next if you keep that shit up.
joe rogan
Pull that up so we can watch that.
tom segura
It's fucking business.
joe rogan
It's Sean Connery saying you should hit women.
I mean, and this happened a long time ago.
tom segura
Yeah, it's probably 20 plus, maybe 25 to 30 years ago, I'm guessing.
joe rogan
Obviously not a long time ago in terms of what we've been saying the entire podcast.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
But he's an old school dude.
He's going to be in his late 70s or something by now, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But what I'm saying is you couldn't do that today.
tom segura
Hell no.
joe rogan
The culture has evolved quite a bit.
tom segura
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
We couldn't do that today.
tom segura
A few years go by.
unidentified
It's not the worst thing to slap a woman now and then.
As I remember, you said you don't do it with a clenched fist.
It's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah.
Remember that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't love that.
I haven't changed my opinion.
joe rogan
What did she say?
I would love that?
Is that what she said?
Hold on a second.
Hold on.
What did she say?
unidentified
First, it's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah.
Remember that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't love that.
I haven't changed my opinion.
tom segura
You haven't?
joe rogan
No, not at all.
unidentified
You think it's good to slap a woman?
No, I don't think it's good.
You don't think it's bad?
I don't think it's that bad.
I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and if it merits it.
What would merit it?
joe rogan
If it merits it.
unidentified
Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone.
They don't want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word.
They want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation.
Then, I think it's absolutely right.
tom segura
Somebody added that in the video.
unidentified
That scared me.
tom segura
That's stupid.
joe rogan
Someone ruined a good interview.
But the idea behind that is fascinating.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, all he's really saying is, I don't like a yappy broad.
That's really what he's trying to say.
joe rogan
Well, you need to break up with him, dude.
He's fucking out of his mind.
They're not all like that.
It's so crazy.
Not all men are like that, and not all women are like that.
tom segura
You know what's so great about that?
The only great thing about that is, you know when you call somebody out, She was calling him out on national television, and his defense instincts kicked in.
Or when she said, she was like, he realized they're probably just having a nice chat.
She brings that up, and he was like, immediately, his face changed.
Then he goes, yeah, I haven't changed my position on that.
He was really like, I'm going to do battle with you now.
He likes conflict.
That's a guy who wants to have conflict.
joe rogan
Well, I think...
I think he's just really confident, and I think he believes in what he's saying, and he thinks that Barbara Walters is trying to catch him and expose that and have him back down.
I'm just like, I'm not gonna back down.
I'm not gonna back down.
I date crazy bitches, and sometimes I have to smack them.
tom segura
Smack them around.
joe rogan
But those are the ones that like to fuck, because they fuck like wild animals, and that's what I need in my life.
unidentified
I'm so hungry.
joe rogan
At 60 years old, I already get my dick hard.
tom segura
Yeah, he's not very young, exactly.
joe rogan
A screaming bitch that, you know, lets me send it in.
Yeah, no, he's not young at all.
tom segura
Not young, man.
No.
joe rogan
With some people, the aphrodisiac, the stimulant, is not just sexual.
It's not just how the person looks.
It's not just being attracted to them.
Sometimes it's drama.
There's a lot of people that get sucked up into this idea of fighting and then making up and then to make up sex.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super common.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because we all have been there before where you break up with someone and you're like, it's over and it's like fucking devastating and it's heartbreaking.
And then one day you run into them and it might be just a month later or two months later or whatever.
Maybe you both have dated other people, whatever.
And then you hook up.
And it's incredible.
The sex is incredible.
And you're nice to each other, and you're like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry too.
And you're like...
And it's incredible.
It's such a heightened type of sex, makeup sex.
Because sometimes people need to put things into perspective.
They need the benefit of time.
They need the benefit of...
Having all these emotions run through your head, having all these bad feelings, but then having them all slow down and relax, and time puts things into perspective.
And then you see each other then, and you're like, ugh, what the fuck?
And all you can think of then is the good times.
It's real hard to think about these really stupid, petty, bad times in relationships once the relationship is over.
You really mostly just think about the good stuff about that person.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And so then you start fucking again.
Oh, shit.
tom segura
I bet Sean Connery threw his dick around a lot back over time.
joe rogan
But then again, what happens after that?
You get fucking tired of each other again.
You fall back in your same old ways and you get tired with each other.
And how do you fix that, ladies and gentlemen?
That's right.
Smoke some weed and fuck, and you will appreciate each other like you just met.
tom segura
That's good advice.
joe rogan
That's fucking great advice.
There's no better enhancement to sex than marijuana.
The people who fuck and don't smoke pot, you are missing out on 50% of your sex.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You really are.
You don't know what you're missing.
If I could give you something that's not dangerous And that will make sex 50% better.
Do you know what that would be worth on the open market?
I mean, there's stupid pills that you take that are supposed to make your dick grow that don't do a goddamn thing.
There's stupid people out there that are cutting rhino horns off to make their cocks hard.
That doesn't work.
There's so much money in, like, enhancing sex.
And the number one thing to enhance sex, it just flies under the radar.
The one thing that works like a charm.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
If you are in love or you are in lust or you have someone that you like to fuck, how about that?
And that person likes you to fuck them?
Get together and smoke some pot before you do it.
Don't get crazy.
Don't smoke so much.
You're paranoid and you freak out and you can't get it up.
Just a little bit.
Just a little bit.
Every touch will feel more...
Spectacular.
You'll feel like electricity through fingers, the warmth of your bodies, the sensation will be so pleasurable.
People that don't smoke pot and fuck, you're missing out on a giant chunk of what sex is.
tom segura
Yeah, or do it, you know, smoke and go touch a stranger.
joe rogan
Or do mushrooms.
unidentified
You want to go deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep.
joe rogan
Have sex on mushrooms.
tom segura
Never done that.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's like two kaleidoscopes.
brian redban
It's hard to do.
joe rogan
Colliding.
tom segura
It's hard to do?
brian redban
It's really hard to do.
I thought, like, I was fucking this really tall girl once, and I was on mushrooms, and I thought she was an alien.
I was like, it just might, it just, because you start playing tricks on yourself.
tom segura
Yeah, I don't want to do that.
brian redban
You always play tricks on you and stuff.
tom segura
I don't want to do that.
joe rogan
Don't.
Don't listen.
You won't think you're an alien.
Have you done it with my show?
You know your wife's not an alien.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, look, obviously the way you get affected by mushrooms is different than the way I do.
I think everybody's different.
That's one of the weird things about psychedelics or pot or anything.
tom segura
Yeah, it affects everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard people talk about what pot does to them, and I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going on in your head, but that's not me.
It shuts me down.
I just don't want to talk to anybody or sit down.
It shuts me down.
All right.
Okay.
I don't get it, but everybody's got their own weird personality traits.
tom segura
One strand that you, you know...
joe rogan
Well, I just think there's a lot of weird personality traits.
You know, there's a lot of weird biological traits.
People have a lot of different things going on.
It's like people with alcohol.
I mean, there's people that are the worst drunks ever, that are super nice people, and there's also people that they have a couple of drinks and they just become friendlier.
Nothing goes wrong at all.
tom segura
I know.
It's really fascinating because I look back, there's friends that would want to punch me.
Not because I did something.
Every time they drank, they were physically violent people.
I'm like, Jesus Christ.
And then there's the person who's just hugging you, like, I love you, man.
You're like, They had the same amount of drinks, and this is the behavior that comes out.
It's too bad, almost.
It bums you out.
Like, oh man, you can't drink.
Really, we can't have you drinking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that's not...
Uncommon.
tom segura
At all?
No, no.
joe rogan
It's probably like one out of a hundred people.
brian redban
Yeah.
Less than that, I think.
tom segura
I think less, yeah.
brian redban
Yeah.
That's like a food allergy almost.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Well, that was something that they, another thing that I had up on Twitter today that's pretty fascinating about food allergies.
They figured out a way to fix kids' allergies to peanuts.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
The DNA of peanut-allergic kids changes with immune therapy, study finds.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
That's cool.
And this is on Science Daily.
So this is, again, not like a goofy website.
It's from Stanford.
And the idea is that treating a peanut allergy with oral immunotherapy changes the DNA of the patient's immune cells.
According to a new study, the DNA change could serve as the basis for a simple blood test to monitor long-term effectiveness of the allergy therapy.
That's pretty badass, man.
There's a lot of fucking foods that people are allergic to.
Some people are deathly allergic to shellfish.
We had that on Fear Factor.
This dude ate some roaches.
And roaches are, they have the same enzyme, apparently, as shellfish.
So if you're allergic to roaches, or you don't know, if you're allergic to shellfish, you're also allergic to roaches.
tom segura
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
So this dude went into anaphylactic shock?
joe rogan
Well, his throat started closing up.
He was having a hard time breathing.
He was swelling.
tom segura
That's what happens.
He knew he probably was a shellfish guy, but didn't think about the roach.
joe rogan
Well, we didn't know.
Nobody knew.
It was the early days of Fear Factor.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That show is just so lucky that no one died.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So lucky.
tom segura
That dude definitely could have if he didn't have right medics around, you know?
joe rogan
What are you guys doing over there?
What's going on?
brian redban
70 bags of heroin found in Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Poor fucker.
brian redban
He just got back on it, right?
Like a couple years ago?
He was like really clean for like most of his life and then he just...
tom segura
He had a problem a while ago.
Then he was cleaning for a while.
And then they talked about him going...
I remember reading about him going to get help, like, I want to say within the last year to do something, you know, like some type of rehab thing in the last year.
And then, yeah, that's really a bummer, man.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about him, too, is he died with a needle in his arm.
tom segura
In his arm, yeah.
So he really overdid it.
joe rogan
Well, he just did it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's not the only one, either, that's dying.
Apparently, there's quite a few people who've died in the East Coast.
tom segura
From heroin?
joe rogan
Recently.
Yeah, they're thinking there's a bad batch of heroin or a strong batch of heroin or something.
brian redban
Wow.
tom segura
He was so good.
Holy shit, was he a talented actor, that guy.
Man, unbelievable.
brian redban
Boogie Nights.
joe rogan
Well, I think that some of the people that are able to encapsulate those incredible characters, they're able to fit themselves into those characters...
A lot of those people are fucking crazy, like Robert Downey Jr., you know, crazy, you know, would go off on wild benders and drugs.
There's a lot of those people that are, like, really good at acting that are sort of attracted to that.
tom segura
To that chaos.
joe rogan
Yeah, or maybe it's just...
A part of what makes them a great actor.
tom segura
Yeah, I think if you're a great, great actor, you have a sensitivity that's maybe heightened.
You're sensitive emotionally all around.
Sometimes when you're that sensitive, you can be drawn in certain other directions.
But Hoffman was just a genius actor.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker.
It's sad when you see a guy like that just succumb to their demons.
tom segura
It really is too bad.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, too.
That heroin one's a weird one.
Because people are talking about legalizing all drugs, that all drugs should be legal.
And in a way, I support that.
But in another way, I'm like, it would suck to see more people do heroin.
It really would.
tom segura
Crystal meth.
joe rogan
Because what I'm seeing now with pills, I've met several people.
I know several people.
I know one guy very well that died from pills.
I know one guy very close to my family who fucked up his entire life on pills, and he's still a mess, and he used to be a great guy, and he's just a wreck.
And it's all opiates.
All opiates.
You know?
And then you see this guy, and you go, like, fuck, man.
Like, if it was legal, would it be even more prevalent?
Like, I would hope not.
But, God, it's just...
I'm just anti-heroin.
I think heroin's a terrible drug to live your life with.
unidentified
It just...
tom segura
Yeah.
There's nobody, really, who's, like, doing well, thriving with heroin, you know?
joe rogan
The crazy thing is how long some people can function.
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, and there's people that can function, and there's people that actually probably never get to the point where they're not able to function.
You know, there's people that can keep it in check, but I think for the most part, it just goes downhill for you.
joe rogan
Well, one of the problems with these pill people is that they're not even trying to get high.
They're trying to not be sick.
tom segura
Right, because your body's craving it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get so addicted to these opiate pills that your body is just trying to get to a base level.
It's not trying to get high as much as it's trying to get out of a deficit.
So you give it these pills and then you sort of feel normal for a while.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just so scary.
tom segura
Yeah, it is.
I mean, I know somebody who had a bad drinking problem and would like, when it went into, you know, withdrawal, would drink never really to get drunk.
It was because he was such an alcoholic that, you know, he would drink just to not be shaking and sweating.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one I don't understand because I've had many drinks.
I don't get the alcohol one.
I don't understand how that could be addictive to somebody.
But I do understand, obviously, because I've met many people who are addicted to it.
But just for me, it's just...
I don't understand it.
It just seems...
It's just so strange that their body is craving alcohol.
Like, it's not just an emotional thing.
I mean, they say that that's what happened with Amy Winehouse.
That she died from going cold turkey.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
She only had alcohol in her system when she died.
She didn't have any drugs.
tom segura
And her body just went into...
joe rogan
Yeah, they suspected she tried to quit drinking and it just sent her over the edge.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It happens.
tom segura
I believe it, man.
I'm just glad I don't have that fucking...
joe rogan
That gene.
tom segura
Yeah, or, you know, I mean, I've never...
I drink once.
If I drink once in a week and I have too many drinks, I'm like, man, I'm not drinking.
I don't drink again for weeks, man.
Really?
Yeah.
That's just my own makeup.
brian redban
When you used to hang out more locally at comedy clubs every night, you used to probably go through that where you're at a club every single night.
Did you drink more back then?
tom segura
Not really, because I never, I never, ever drink before sets.
So the most I ever did was drink after sets.
But if I was just doing spots and hanging out a little bit, I'd be more worried about, like, you know, I'd be worried about driving home.
So it wasn't a regular practice for me.
Like, I've just never been that big of a drinker, you know?
I mean, I'll have more drinks on the road.
But sometimes, a lot of times, I go to clubs.
And Saturday will be the first time I ask for a drink, and they'll all say, like, oh, we didn't know you drank.
And I'm like, what, were you talking about it?
And they're like, yeah, we thought it was so weird that you don't drink.
And I was like, no, I'm just done now, you know, so.
joe rogan
Yeah, alcohol is fun.
It's fun.
It's fun to drink.
It's fun to get drunk.
But the problem is the effect on your body is just so bad.
And Tommy and I have been talking about this because for the last two weeks I haven't drank.
I tried to see what it's like to have nothing.
I'd like a glass of wine with dinner on Friday night.
But one glass of wine, that's it.
No getting hammered.
No getting drunk.
No getting buzzed.
No nothing.
You feel remarkably better when Monday rolls around.
Remarkably.
So it's been two weeks in a row that I did this.
Like, my endurance is up.
I mean, it sounds so, duh.
You know, it sounds so obvious.
But you just think, if you're out at a comedy club, you're hanging out with your buddies, you want to do a shot?
Yeah, fuck it, let's do a shot.
Let's do another one.
Okay, let's have a beer.
Three or four drinks, you feel like it's nothing.
And it really is nothing.
But the difference between three or four drinks and no drinks is pretty significant in how much better you feel.
tom segura
It's tremendously different.
I mean, a few weeks ago, I had a few drinks, and I really feel like it took me totally to recover, was like 48, 72 hours, to feel 100% better.
It was crazy.
It took like three days to feel that much better.
brian redban
I never drink at home.
I only drink if I go out.
I never sit at home and open up a beer or anything.
Unless it's at night, and then the girls are about to go to bed, I need to have one more drink in her.
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you?
You know that's rape to a lot of feminists?
By the way.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know that?
You're aware of that?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to push that.
tom segura
Mr. Connery.
joe rogan
You're going to shove that down your throat.
You're going to be a rapist.
unidentified
Nightcoat.
joe rogan
But you know what's funny about that whole feminist thing is that they're saying that that works the other way around, too, with women and men.
That if the man is drunk and the woman is sober, the woman is raping the man.
tom segura
I feel that way.
I 100% support that.
I've been raped.
joe rogan
They have to say that.
What's ridiculous is that they have to say that.
They can't say there's a double standard.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to admit there's double standards.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Double standards don't exist.
Especially in the super liberal, left-wing, progressive world.
It's the same on both sides.
So I was reading this person's blog where they were talking about everyone who has sex with someone who's drinking as being a rapist.
And she was talking about men as well, men being drunk, that a woman taking advantage, yes, ladies, that is rape.
Like, what are you talking about?
The guy has a few drinks, he's buzzed, and he comes over and he wants to fuck, and you have sex with them, you're a rapist.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is so fucking dumb, and so symptomatic, so, like, symbolic of, like, what's wrong with that sort of rigid, like, liberal thinking.
There are no double standard thinking.
tom segura
I mean, one of the major differences is that in that situation, we are thrilled to be raped.
brian redban
Right?
joe rogan
It's not rape!
It's not rape.
Whether the man has limited inhibitions or not, that man wants to have sex.
If a guy comes to your house, it's like if a guy goes to a bar, gets drunk, take a cab to your house, let's make it a responsible story, the guy takes a cab to your house and you throw him on the bed and fuck him.
That's not rape.
It's just not.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's just not.
It's just not.
And pretending that it is, because you don't want women to be taken advantage of, and they'll compare it to like Steubenville, like the girl who was, she was so drunk that she was unconscious and these guys raped her.
tom segura
Oh yeah, it was horrible.
joe rogan
That's unbelievably horrible.
Yeah.
Unbelievably horrible and disgusting and it's a crime and it's evil.
Because saying that a man being drunk, having sex with a woman is that man being raped, diminishes the impact of what's horrible about something like Steubenville.
tom segura
Right, a real rape.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you're being silly now.
You're saying something that is so preposterous that anyone with any logic...
Could immediately pick apart.
Anyone who's had any experience, anyone who's a man, by the way, who's a heterosexual man, who knows what it's like to have a couple of drinks and want to go have sex.
Like, the idea that that is somehow or another rape, because you went over someone who obviously you like, you obviously like this person, you most likely have had sex with them before, you go over to their house.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
tom segura
I would even argue that if you're a man and you took a cab to that woman's house and she handcuffed you to a bed and blindfolded you and put a ball gag in your mouth and fucked you, that you also had a good time.
Like, it wasn't something that you were fighting, you know?
Or even if you wanted to.
joe rogan
Well, I'm not into getting tied up, so it's on you, fucker.
Tie me up.
Yeah.
brian redban
Have you ever been in a situation where you felt rape, like you had a girl in your bed and you didn't want to have sex with her?
joe rogan
You have a girl in your bed.
You're a man, you have a girl in your bed.
What are you doing?
Like, if you're a man, you have a girl in your bed.
What kind of stupid game are you playing?
Cannot right now.
Don't rape me.
I just don't feel good about our relationship yet.
Shut up.
If you're a grown adult, you're not a ten-year-old.
You're not someone who's confused about biology and about sexuality and about, you know, stimulation and attractedness.
No, you're a fucking adult.
You can't get raped.
Can't get raped by a girl.
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Brian could.
joe rogan
It's one thing if you like...
tom segura
Brian could.
joe rogan
The only thing that can be really crazy is if, okay, here's a scenario.
Some sort of a survival situation where you're fleeing the country and you have your friend's wife with you and you have to stay in a hotel together because there's only enough money for one hotel room and just going to get some sleep and then get on the road.
You're like, I'll sleep on the floor, you take the bed, and then while you're sleeping, you wake up and she's sucking your dick.
You're like, okay, you just fucking ruined my life.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You ruined my life by being crazy and sucking my dick while I'm sleeping.
Hey, you know, you're kind of raping me.
Stop.
tom segura
Stop it.
joe rogan
I wouldn't have said yes for you sucking my dick if I was awake.
tom segura
Wait, wait a couple minutes, now stop it.
joe rogan
That is probably one of the very few scenarios that I could see where there could be argued that a woman rapes a guy.
tom segura
Yeah.
What's the one?
It's a single white female.
They kind of have that scenario.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where a girl pretends to be someone else.
tom segura
And she tries to pretend, and he's like, what's going on?
She's like, blah, blah, blah.
She's just choking on his cock.
And then he's like, it's not even you.
So he got duped, right?
joe rogan
That's another one that's kind of rapey.
tom segura
Yeah, that's kind of rapey.
But still finished, and we'll talk about it.
joe rogan
But a woman being drunk...
Is always rape.
If the woman's drunk, they want that to be rape.
They want it...
I mean, obviously, there's a broad spectrum of intoxication.
You know?
Like, one drink?
Two drinks?
Three drinks?
Four drinks?
Like, one drink is...
You can make good decisions on one drink.
tom segura
You can.
joe rogan
But you're drinking.
Two drinks, you can still make really good decisions on drinks.
But you're drinking.
So, like, if you have sex with someone who can make good decisions and it's two drinks in, the idea that you say that's rape, you're a crazy person.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're a crazy person.
You're a person who's dangerous because you're fucking up the whole idea and argument, the whole conversation about alcohol intoxication.
You're ruining it by being unreasonable.
By taking this hard, rigid stance, you diminish the effect of something like Steubenville, where they are getting someone so fucked up and taking advantage of someone who's so fucked up.
tom segura
Yeah, and the way to kind of state your position is, are you going to look at those two and say they're equivalent?
If you say they're equivalent, then okay, I guess we have your point of view on the severity of each of them.
But I think a reasonable person looks at those and you realize that they're not, so it's kind of ridiculous.
joe rogan
Well, it's a completely illogical stance to take.
That it's an on and off switch.
It's either on, there's an alcohol drink in the system, it's that way, it's rape.
There's no alcohol, it's not rape.
Same act.
tom segura
Same act, yeah.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
It's clear that there's a certain point where someone is unable to make clear decisions.
They're fucked up.
They're intoxicated.
But where that lies is very blurry.
And it's different for every person.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And some, not some girls, goddammit, a lot of girls like to get drunk and get fucked.
They like to have sex with people they want to have sex with when they have a few drinks.
They like it a lot.
So the idea that people say that that's rape because of whatever, because you want to push this ridiculous progressive agenda and this idea that anyone having a couple of drinks is somehow or another so incapacitated that they're like a child, like we have to protect them.
tom segura
Yeah, I guess they're not making the distinction that there's a difference between a woman choosing to have drinks and go have sex and a woman who has had too many drinks and someone is taking advantage of her.
I mean, they're two totally different things.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, there's also the woman and the man.
If they're both drinking, then what happens?
The woman is almost always in the clear.
No one is accusing her.
No one's saying, you know, this woman raped me.
We had drinks together and she raped me.
How many drinks did you have, too?
How many drinks did she have, too?
Yeah, man, she raped you.
No one says that!
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But they do say it to the guy.
They would say it to the guy.
And the girl could say, oh, I got too drunk to consent, and then, you know, Tumblr talk, progressive think, everybody's like, oh, it is rape to have sex with someone who's drinking.
No, no, it's rape sometimes to have sex with someone who's drinking.
To say that you're not responsible for your own actions sexually, but you are when you're driving a car, you are when, you know, you assault someone, you know, you're responsible.
If you kick someone's ass and hurt them, and you're like, I'm so sorry, I was drunk.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're responsible for that.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You are fucking responsible for your actions.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you're not sexually.
You know, if your girlfriend comes home and she's hammered and she beats the fuck out of you and hits you over the head with a hammer and you go to the hospital, your fucking head's gashed open.
She can't say, I was drinking.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I'm not responsible for that violence.
But if she comes over your house and she's drunk and she fucks you, Then you're a rapist, because you didn't take into account the fact that she's not responsible for our actions, because she's had a couple of drinks.
It's madness!
tom segura
That's total madness.
joe rogan
It's so illogical, and they're so rigid on this because they want to support 100% women and women's rights and the idea of not supporting rape culture, the idea of diminishing rape in society.
But by being so rigid and by being preposterous and illogical, you ruin the whole discussion because we're on your side.
You and I are 100% on their side as far as someone being drunk and you take advantage of that person.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
That's disgusting.
tom segura
What they're trying to say is that there is no scale.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom segura
It's just, it's black and white.
joe rogan
It's black and white.
And you can't say that because you ruin the whole discussion.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You ruin it because we all know, most of us know, people who like to drink and fuck.
It's so common.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so normal.
tom segura
They drink to get frisky.
joe rogan
People are married!
They drink and they start making out, and it's great.
It's not bad.
They loosen the inhibitions.
It's not bad.
The idea that alcohol is bad across the board for everybody is fucking stupid.
tom segura
It's stupid, yeah.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
It's just bad for your body.
That's the only thing you can prove, for sure, that's bad for your body.
It's just one of those weird things, man.
Where people who are intelligent, who have good intentions, and there's good meaning behind what they're trying to do, they fuck it all up with their ego, and they fuck it all up with their rigid thinking, and they fuck it all up because they're not being open and objective about the entire discussion of the situation.
tom segura
Yeah, it's the same thing, I feel like, with judging people as black and white.
I feel like most people are more complicated and have varying degrees of good and bad.
They're a complicated species.
joe rogan
You could easily put generalizations.
There was a generalization...
Someone was talking about stand-up comics, and they were saying that comedy clubs are filled with angry men, and that's what comedy clubs are.
That's a giant generalization.
What if Sarah Silverman and Eliza Schlesinger are on stage?
There's still angry men that are...
No, it's silly.
It's silly.
Some comedians are angry men.
So are some mechanics.
So are some fucking bouncers.
Some people that work in finance, they're angry men.
Some of them aren't.
Generalizations are fucking stupid.
They're gross.
tom segura
It's so funny because when I hear those things, I always think of comics that I know...
What always pops in my mind is just silliness.
I think of all the goofy, silly kind of...
Well, us, hanging out on the weekend.
joe rogan
What do we do?
We're laughing all the time.
We're laughing 90% of the time.
We're not angry at shit.
Look, we all know dudes who are, but we all know an equal or greater amount of dudes who aren't.
josh olin
Like Norton, we're hanging out with Norton all weekend.
joe rogan
Norton's fucking great.
He's not angry.
He comes off fake angry for jokes, for funny.
But he's filled with humility.
He's a very self-objective guy.
He's always being introspective and talking about the way he behaves, the way he thinks.
He's always criticizing himself.
The idea that he's this angry guy.
tom segura
I was going to say that is that people also assume that...
They'll say the anger with respect to, like, somebody doing something on stage, and they'll have no idea that that person's not like that offstage, that that's a heightened, you know, version of themselves for their act.
joe rogan
For humor.
tom segura
Yeah, it's for humor, of course.
joe rogan
It's like, you know, like, Brian Holtzman, who's one of my favorite comedians, and for some, whatever reason, just never really caught on with people.
He used to, his whole act was this angry man...
Who would say cruel, evil shit, and we would be dying laughing.
Because he's not like that at all.
If you talk to Holtzman offstage, he's laughing, he's shaking people's hands.
Hey, how are you?
What's going on?
Good to see you.
Hey, good time up there.
You were really funny.
He's a funny guy.
But then he would do this character onstage where it was just like...
Like, Susan Smith, when she drowned her kids, he was like, I heard those were bad kids.
I heard those kids sat that close to the TV. They didn't pull away their blocks.
They were always spilling their milk.
Those fucking kids would not be missed.
And it was so horrible, but so funny.
You had to be there to see it happen when the tension was in the room, because it was like two weeks after that woman drowned her kids, you know?
tom segura
That's a hilarious position to take.
joe rogan
I heard those kids were bad.
That's how he says it.
They always fucking spilt their milk.
They didn't put away their blocks.
They sat that close to the TV. Those kids would not be missed.
And the way he would say it was just so fucking...
tom segura
The key, too, in those types of jokes is that you can never pull back on it.
Once you say it, you gotta go all in.
Like, no, they were really bad kids.
I'm telling you, I know.
You have to believe what you're saying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's not real.
tom segura
No, of course not.
That's the whole fucking...
That's why we know we can laugh at it.
joe rogan
It's a real issue with progressives, this idea that you're going to silence that kind of thinking and talking.
You know, silence those kind of jokes.
And I see the point.
I see that you're trying to make a kinder, gentler world for people to live in, but...
I really feel like concentrating on jokes is a bad idea.
It is.
It ruins the whole idea of trying to make people, or at least diminishes the whole idea, of trying to make people nice in real life when they really mean it and really care.
Because you're not focusing on that.
Instead, you're focusing on when they don't mean it and they're joking around.
And the idea that somehow or another that joking around fuels the actual act...
The actual act of violence or the actual act of rape or the actual act of anything evil or mean because joking around about it somehow or another gives a green light?
That's such a silly idea.
That's so silly.
If you have a problem with rape or if you have a problem with violence, if you have a problem with assaults, do something that remedies the root cause of that, and you'll find that it's not jokes.
tom segura
It's not stand-up.
joe rogan
Nobody who watched a comedy show was inspired to go rape somebody.
The idea behind that is fucking ridiculous.
The idea that it gives a green light.
You watch a comedy show, and someone talks about beating the shit out of people.
It gives a green light to go out and beat the shit out of people.
That's...
No, that's a defective person if that's the case.
Yeah, a person's out of their fucking mind.
You can't make your art only for defective people.
It's fucking stupid.
tom segura
It is.
joe rogan
But it's a lot of that progressive mindset, this progressive black and white mindset, this left-wing liberal mindset that it ruins those discussions.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because, yeah, we do need to be nicer to each other.
Fucking yeah, for sure, we need less racism.
Absolutely, we need less sexism.
Absolutely, we need less assault.
We need less rape.
We need less violence.
We need less road rage.
We need less everything all across the board.
We need less of that.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we're on your side and you're making us look like there's something wrong with us because we want to drink and fuck.
You're making us look like there's something wrong with us because we enjoy a ridiculous joke that someone doesn't really mean, that's really cruel and nasty.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah, if you really think that comedy is the problem, you're just going to make yourself look ridiculous.
You're going to get very few people that agree with your point of view.
Just get people to stop talking about anything that could be offensive.
And you're just going to end up not making the progress you were wishing for.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the idea of trigger warnings.
tom segura
What's trigger warnings?
joe rogan
When people write blogs, like super progressive people, when they write blogs, if they talk about rape or anything, violence or crime, they will put trigger warning in there.
A trigger warning to let you know that something horrible is coming up.
And it might trigger post-traumatic stress.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Say if you got beat up and robbed and someone's writing about a robbery, they'll put trigger warning in the title or trigger warning in the thing and then explain what they're talking about so that you get warned that they're going to talk about assault or you get warned that they're going to talk about rape or sexual aggression or whatever the fuck it is.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Trigger warning.
Trigger warning.
It's a fascinating aspect of our society that you want to protect people From just even thinking about something that might have happened to them that's bad.
tom segura
It might upset you.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that subject, whatever that subject is, is either off limits or severely limited because of the fact that someone actually has been victimized in real life.
tom segura
That's kind of really ridiculous to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
tom segura
Well, I mean, because you don't get trigger warnings when you're not doing it.
Aside from reading that fucking blog...
There's no trigger warnings on signs when you walk down the street.
There's no trigger warnings that when you have a conversation with somebody who you might not know well, they're not going to be like, real quick, in a moment, I'm going to bring up fighting.
Just giving you a heads up.
brian redban
Wouldn't trigger warnings be a trigger warning?
Like, wouldn't you think about rape if you give a trigger warning?
joe rogan
Well, no, it wouldn't be a trigger warning, but it would certainly be a trigger.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
And, you know, every movie, essentially, every violent movie is a trigger to people who have experienced violence.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
Every fucking television show on crime, which almost all of them are.
I mean, what percentage of television shows, dramas are on crime?
What percentage was Chicago Police or CSI or this or CSI Miami, New York, CSI The Moon?
unidentified
There's...
joe rogan
Fucking 100 Law and Orders.
They're all on crime.
If you've experienced any violent crime in your life, you know it's a horrible, horrific, traumatic event.
Post-traumatic stress from crime victims is huge.
Yet every show on television that's a drama, like a huge percentage of them, it's probably like 30% of all nighttime dramas are based on crime.
Violent crime.
Murders.
tom segura
Dude, violence is so, it's so crazy when you watch shows and they have violent scenes, you know?
The edited version has the violent fucking, like, a guy's getting his head fucking blown off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And then they'll be like, that's right, fudge you.
And you're like, they just bleeped, fuck.
joe rogan
Ooh!
tom segura
You know, because we can't handle hearing that.
I'm tired of this hogwash.
And you're like, what?
That's what he said?
No, he said something else.
But we can't handle that.
But we did see him pull out a 12-gauge and blow the guy's fucking guts all over the place.
joe rogan
Well, how about The Walking Dead?
Watch The Walking Dead.
The Walking Dead, they're cutting people's heads off.
They're blowing people's heads up with guns.
But they never say fuck.
tom segura
Never say fuck.
joe rogan
It's so ridiculous.
tom segura
And I bet you, you know, you can't also...
God forbid they show a woman's breast.
That would make your head.
joe rogan
No, you can't do that.
No pussies at all.
Don't show me where the babies come from or where the babies are made.
tom segura
Can't handle it.
joe rogan
But you can show me a lady with a samurai sword who cuts people in half.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
She kills regular people, too.
She doesn't just kill zombies.
tom segura
She kills regular people.
joe rogan
A bunch of the people kill regular people.
They've killed a bunch of regular people on that show.
unidentified
It's fine.
tom segura
It's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I can't handle hearing shit.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
We're weird.
tom segura
So weird.
joe rogan
What a stupid culture.
tom segura
You know what I can't stop thinking about?
The guy that farted at the sink.
joe rogan
The airport.
We talked about it for 10 minutes afterwards.
Well, dudes fart when they pee.
When you go to the bathroom, dudes are constantly farting.
tom segura
In public restrooms.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we were at the sink, and the dude was washing his hands, and he caught a monster fart.
And I told Tommy about it, and I was like, dude, this guy, he broke the rules.
tom segura
Yeah, I walked out just before this happened.
I unfortunately missed the incident, but you said it immediately.
And I kept wrapping my head around it, and I think what I've come to the conclusion is Is that if you do that, all I'm looking for is for you to acknowledge it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oops.
tom segura
Yeah.
You need to say something.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
I want you to say something about that.
Because I was thinking about how an old guy one time farted next to me on a tram in the airport.
And I was like, geez, he let a fucking pretty big fart.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
And I looked at him and he goes, snuck out of me.
And I was like, alright.
And it kind of took away what was upsetting him.
I was like, well thank you for acknowledging your fart right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy was just washing his hands and he just...
tom segura
The sink is not the urine.
I don't think he'd get a pass there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was...
brian redban
I don't even do the urinal.
Who does that?
unidentified
Do you?
joe rogan
It was definitely a gray area.
It was definitely a gray area.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
People fart all the time at the urinals.
That's so common.
tom segura
Yeah, I heard a lot of farts at urinals.
joe rogan
But if you get done, zip up, walk all the way around, you wash your hands, in the middle of washing hands, you just unload.
And no one said a word.
Everyone just let it go.
And then we got outside, and I was like, yo, dude, how do you feel about this?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
tom segura
I can't stop thinking about it.
joe rogan
And then we're trying to figure out what kind of farts girls cut when they're in the bathroom and whether or not they wash their hands and fart on each other.
Probably not as much.
tom segura
Not as much, but they definitely drop heat in there.
For sure.
joe rogan
Well, once they close that door, I think they allow themselves.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They allow themselves to fucking fart it up.
unidentified
Mm.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
They let them rip.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Once they get in that door, they close that door, they just...
You have to.
If you're taking a shit, you're going to fart.
But I wonder if they fart while they're washing their hands.
These are the things that I think of.
tom segura
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
I wonder about what we need more of this in the world.
tom segura
Do you mask your farts when you shit in a public restaurant?
No.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
Let it out.
joe rogan
You got to do what you do.
What do you hold up to the camera?
brian redban
I love girl farts.
joe rogan
You're an idiot.
Jesus Christ, you have that on your phone?
tom segura
Yeah.
I love girl farts?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
40 year old man, he's got that on his phone.
brian redban
It's a huge fetish now.
It's actually a website.
unidentified
It is.
tom segura
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's always been.
tom segura
Yeah, it's amazing.
joe rogan
There's been fart porn forever where dudes like sniff farts right out of a girl's ass.
tom segura
Yeah.
They're naughty.
We played some fart clips on our show and we were talking about it and the guy wrote in and he was like, I have a big time fart fetish.
And we were like, what's the thinking about it?
And he was like, I think it's just back to the taboo of it that the pretty girl is not supposed to.
So he's...
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, that she's being a dirty girl.
tom segura
Yes, and that's what we love.
And he loves, you know, a pretty girl doing it is like the ultimate thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the thing about people is like they want people to be naughty.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Just because we feel so, most people at least, feel so confined by the rules.
And I think women so, even more so than men.
Women even more so than men because, you know, society wants you to be a lady.
tom segura
Yeah, behave a certain way, sure.
joe rogan
You know, and there's slut shaming.
You're not allowed to be a slut.
You're not allowed to do what you want to do.
You know, like if a woman wants to go out and fuck a bunch of different guys, like if a woman wants to fuck two guys in a night, she's a terrible person.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, if you find out about that, oh my god, she went to this guy's house, she fucked him, then she left, then she went to this other guy's house and fucked him.
What a whore.
tom segura
National champion.
joe rogan
Like, girls would be like, what a whore.
But if you told me, so he decides, he leaves this girl's house, and he's like, you know what, fuck, I can call somebody else.
He calls somebody else, and he goes and fucks her, and we're like, ah!
That guy's an animal.
It wasn't even done?
He wanted to fuck more?
That guy's crazy.
tom segura
That is crazy, though, that we don't, you know, that we have that double standard for that.
I mean, I remember...
In college, a guy, a friend, going into a sorority house and banging girls in the same house on the same night in different rooms.
And, like, yeah, we all were like, that's fantastic!
You're such a hero.
Like, you're such a wonderful person.
And, like, we were all so happy with his story.
joe rogan
But if a girl went to a fraternity house, fucked one guy, said goodnight, honey, left, and then knocked on the door, hey, cracker man?
tom segura
She's fucking out of her mind.
joe rogan
Dirty bitch, you fucking whore.
tom segura
But we really should applaud her.
I mean...
joe rogan
Well, or not.
Either way, we should let her do whatever she wants to do.
She's just fucking people.
What do you care?
Are they going to stay together forever?
They're in college.
Jesus Christ.
If you have a problem with a girl who fucks one guy and then fucks another guy that night, you're silly.
tom segura
Yeah, you are.
You could be one of those guys.
All you gotta do is throw your dick in front of her.
Obviously she likes him.
joe rogan
So that suppression leads to a reaction.
Just holding back leads to this need to let it go.
And the girl just farts right in that dude's face.
Guy's like, I can't believe you did that, you dirty bitch.
tom segura
I'm a dirty, farty bitch.
joe rogan
I'm a farty bitch.
Fart my mouth again.
brian redban
It's so funny the people that own this I Love Girl farts are actually watching right now.
joe rogan
Don't promote that.
So stupid.
tom segura
Oh my gosh, that snuck out of me.
unidentified
I'm a bad girl.
joe rogan
The smell and the fucking noise and the whole thing.
The naughtiness of it all.
We hold it in.
brian redban
Boston girls farting?
joe rogan
We have a thing about people shitting, too.
No one wants to admit they just took a shit.
We want to hide it and cover it up with noise and fans.
We want to light matches.
tom segura
Yeah, it is weird.
I mean, I don't like those single-stall unisex bathrooms when you've got to shit.
I've got to shit.
And then someone's like, you're going in there?
And you're like, ah, fuck, man.
Why don't you go in first?
joe rogan
No, you're going to shit on top of me.
tom segura
No, I know.
But you get that, you know, like, I feel like I can't relax.
joe rogan
Or you can say, can I please use the restroom?
Like, if you're at a meeting.
If you're having a meeting or something like that, you can say, I'll be right back after you use the restroom.
But you can't say, look, I gotta shit.
tom segura
I gotta shit.
joe rogan
I can't keep talking to you guys.
I gotta take a shit.
You say, I use the restroom.
It's ambiguous.
Okay, go ahead.
And you leave.
You know, you can't say, I'm so sorry.
I was late for this meeting.
I got here on time, but I had to shit.
tom segura
Yeah.
Right, right.
joe rogan
You can't say that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You gotta be upset.
tom segura
You gotta go to the restroom, and then you know that the clock's running.
So, because if you come back 15 minutes later covered in sweat, they're like, wow, you took a monster shit, huh?
Like, you can't really put that out there.
You gotta go, fuck, now I gotta grind this thing out quick.
joe rogan
And sometimes that's what you have to do.
Sometimes you have to take a 10-minute heater.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, sometimes you just, you take a shit and it comes out clump, clump, and you're like, God, there's a lot more up there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn it.
tom segura
Happened on the flight yesterday.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
tom segura
As soon as I sat down, I wanted to go to sleep, and I was like, I gotta take a shit.
And it was during takeoff, so then you're waiting for it to hit 10,000 feet, and then you're waiting for them to turn the seatbelt sign off.
And I go in there, and I'm like, this is gonna be, this is like a fucking marathon shit.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tom segura
But I didn't have time for it, so I really dropped half of it off just so I could fall asleep.
joe rogan
Oh no.
tom segura
Yeah, and then later on I finished.
It was pretty dramatic.
joe rogan
It's one of the weird things about your body is that there's like this intangible sense of how much shit is in there.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, when you're taking a shit, like, you have that feeling, that weird feeling, like, I smell a shit, or I feel a shit brewing.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I feel a shit cooking in the oven.
Yeah.
And then once you're taking that shit, you got this pressure thing.
Like, you know it's in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know it's up there, and there's a certain amount.
Like, goddammit, this isn't ready.
tom segura
This isn't done.
unidentified
This isn't ready, yeah.
joe rogan
All right.
I'm going to have to empty it, and then I'll have to come back later.
tom segura
Yeah, and that's the worst.
You like when it's all gone.
Certain foods, too, will trigger just amazing amounts of shit that come out of you, where you're just like, is my body mostly shit?
Like, am I just a walking, talking shit machine?
Because sometimes...
The amount that will come out of me is just incredible to me.
I cannot get over what's coming out of me.
joe rogan
If you think about how much food you eat, though, think of your entire day.
If you shit once a day, think about breakfast in there, and then lunch in there, And then your dinner in there.
Like this giant mound of food that goes into your body.
And then snack, like you might have a protein bar along the way.
And then you have all this, you drink thing.
You might drink milk, which has got some solids in there.
And then slowly but surely compress that into just logs.
Big ropey shit logs.
It's amazing it's not really bigger.
tom segura
Now picture a pretty girl squatting over your face and letting that all over you.
joe rogan
Yeah!
Well, that's under glass.
Big thing for some guys.
Some guys like women shitting on glass coffee tables.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've always heard that about Stallone.
That was like one of those rumors.
Probably made up.
It's probably like the Richard Gere gerbil thing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone decided to say it, and then it sounds cool, so people repeat it.
unidentified
Yeah, well, Stallone likes to get on the tables, and girls take big, juicy shits on those tables.
joe rogan
He loves it.
He doesn't even want to fuck them.
He just wants them to shit.
tom segura
I'd like to watch people shit over a glass table just to see it come out.
joe rogan
Maybe once.
unidentified
Really?
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
What about a guy like Joey Diaz?
tom segura
I think that's the one.
That would be at the top of my list.
joe rogan
What if he fell and landed on a table and the table shattered and you died?
unidentified
That'd be horrible.
joe rogan
Glass went through your neck, shit was in your eyeballs, and you died knowing that shit was all over your face and feeling the hot blood rush out of your neck.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Sorry, dog.
unidentified
Sorry, dog.
joe rogan
I slipped.
unidentified
Whoops.
joe rogan
I had too much sodium.
tom segura
I think that it would be much more interesting to watch Diaz shit than some model.
I'd like to see him have explosive diarrhea on a glass table.
joe rogan
Well, I would like to see a girl who's, like, addicted to stimulants, like, who's trying to be really skinny, and just how little she actually shits in a day.
brian redban
Just the hair comes out.
joe rogan
Probably shocking to see, like, little tiny poops.
tom segura
Curly, squirrely turd comes out.
joe rogan
Slightly bile, little yellow smell to it.
Like, what's going on?
tom segura
Sorry, that's a big one.
joe rogan
Do you eat anything?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Half of her shit is pills.
tom segura
Half broken pills come out?
joe rogan
Yeah, like non-dissolved pills in little clumps.
tom segura
Yeah, but I mean, it would be fun to watch a couple times.
joe rogan
Maybe watch?
I don't know about fun, but maybe fascinating.
tom segura
Yeah, fascinating.
I think as an art exhibit, we were talking about art a lot this weekend, it'd be great to set up a live exhibit.
I've always thought of this, where you have like 10 people...
50 feet up, and they're butt naked, and they have different body types, and they're sitting on glass toilets with glass tubes coming down, and then the exhibit is you walk around and they all shit at the same time.
Like, that'd be kind of a fun...
joe rogan
And they flush it, and you see these glass tubes fill up with shit and come tumbling down.
unidentified
Yeah!
tom segura
And then you go...
joe rogan
Into a septic at the bottom, a giant large tank filled with shit.
That's all glass.
tom segura
And you have different colored hair, and you're like, this is my creation.
If you wanted to buy this, it's $15 million.
joe rogan
We were talking with this dude who explained to us this weekend about how...
We were talking about expensive photography.
Because we saw this really expensive photography piece.
And he was talking about the scam or the strategy involved in high-powered, high-priced artwork.
And that what sometimes what a dealer will do is they get a bunch of people that are really into art.
And what they'll do is they'll seed these houses with people's art.
You're breathing to the mic.
It's freaking me the fuck out.
One of you motherfuckers.
Is it you?
Might be you, buddy.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard it several times.
unidentified
Over here.
joe rogan
You're freaking me out.
Anyway, the guy said...
These things pick up a lot.
Eddie Bravo was the worst.
tom segura
He was like...
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I forgot about that.
joe rogan
I'm like, Eddie, you hear that?
I didn't even hear that.
You don't hear that?
People hear it.
Fucking weirdo.
Anyway.
A guy who buys a lot of art, they get these fish, and they plant these things in their house.
We'd like to gift you this gallery.
We'd like to gift you this piece.
This is a guy whose pieces go for about $50,000.
That's the price point.
And seeing as you buy a lot of work from this gallery, we think you would like it, so we'd like to gift it to you.
Oh, amazing.
Thank you so much.
And so then this gets around to these people that are in this small community of people who buy expensive art.
Where'd you get that?
Oh, it's a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know, the Sebring Gallery actually gifted it to me because I buy a lot of pieces from them.
He's actually putting on an exhibit next month.
Oh, amazing.
And then so they'll seed these plugs.
They'll send like four or five pieces off.
tom segura
Right.
It could be an unknown guy who doesn't have a price point really yet.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But he's talented.
And so that's how they sort of stimulate the environment.
And what he said in his words, create heat.
And so then they'll have a gallery exhibit and this guy's work will be up.
And it's really good work.
But people are already bought into it because, oh, Rothschild has a piece.
Above his bed that's worth $50,000.
It's amazing.
tom segura
Well, the best part I was fascinated with is that if they get that out there, they cede the stuff to these important people, and then they make sure that the people that were gifted show up to the gallery so that when other people with money are there, that person's like, yeah, I have one of those.
And they're like, oh shit, you have one of those?
It's weird, right?
Yeah, I want one of those too.
joe rogan
It's very strange, man.
tom segura
Yeah, and it's kind of the fear, I think, the base of the fear.
Yeah, yeah, as we talked about this, Exit Through the Gift Shop is exactly kind of the same mentality where the guy who was documenting Banksy was like, I'll be an artist.
brian redban
Now he still is.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, and he makes crazy money, and there's no history of him, there's no origin of work being built.
It was just one day, it was like, here's a bunch of work, here's an overwhelming amount of work that I kind of didn't really create, and then everybody was willing to...
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can do that.
tom segura
They marketed it.
joe rogan
It's really interesting, man.
tom segura
You can do that.
joe rogan
You can set people up.
I mean, it's the hype machine.
It's like, okay, how many times have there been a Comedy Central special, and you'll see the Comedy Central special coming up, and they'll have a bunch of people that are...
He's one of the funniest guys out there.
And boom.
Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
And then you have, you know, someone famous will say something.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
My favorite all-time comedian.
Bam.
And then you'll see this guy do this thing.
And then boom.
Coming next.
It's the new show with the new guy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Already endorsed by all these other guys.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Essentially the same thing.
tom segura
Same thing.
It's true.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
Yeah.
Movies are big in that.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, they are.
tom segura
Of course.
The whole critics thing, the whole, like, the funniest thing I've seen this year.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
New shows, five stars, blah, blah, blah.
This guy, that guy.
tom segura
This critic said, I've never, ever had such a good time.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
We had a good time.
joe rogan
And you know there's some dudes, when it comes to movies, that you could just always count on.
There's some dudes that are just bullshitters.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
It's a big bullshit business.
joe rogan
They just love shitty movies.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's some other dudes, like, they'll criticize films.
Like, Roger Ebert was a famous guy.
Like, people would be, like, really upset at some of the movies that he criticized.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The way he criticized them.
tom segura
Yeah, people put so much into his critiques of films.
I never was really...
I read a number of them.
I remember...
I don't remember which one, but I remember disagreeing on some stuff that he liked.
And I was like, whoa.
And I don't have a problem with that.
I just feel like...
I really feel like everybody is a critic.
We all get to say what we like and don't like.
And if you can find somebody that you line up a lot with their beliefs, that might be the person for you to trust.
But if it's not, then I don't give him really any more credibility than a lot of any other.
I know he watched a lot and he knew a lot about films.
brian redban
I was more of a Cisco guy myself.
tom segura
You're what?
brian redban
More of a Cisco guy.
tom segura
You're a Cisco guy?
brian redban
He liked all those B movies and those shitty sci-fi movies, so I never trusted him.
joe rogan
Well, you don't need those guys anymore.
The point is that everybody can do it now.
Because of social media, because of Facebook, because of Twitter, anybody could be a critic.
And there's some pretty eloquent reviews by people who don't do it for a living.
I've read many reviews that people, like, you know, they have those Rotten Tomato reviews.
Some of those Rotten Tomato reviews are really fucking good, man.
They're really concise.
And they're just regular folks.
It's a person who enjoys the movie or didn't enjoy the movie and said, here's what I think about this.
tom segura
I think that that site is a better indicator because it gathers, you know, basically averages out, you know?
So if a lot of people that watch movies say this is awesome, there's a pretty good chance it's going to be a pretty decent movie.
If they all say this is fucking garbage, it's not very likely that's a good movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, but when you take professional reviewers, or professional reviewers, how can you be someone who just...
Your art is reviewing other people's art.
Because that's essentially your contribution.
Your contribution is reviewing other people's art.
tom segura
Yeah, who the fuck are you?
joe rogan
And then you find out that Ebert actually wrote his own script.
tom segura
He made dog shit.
He made a dog shit movie.
He wrote and he directed a piece of fucking garbage.
So he failed at the thing that he was praised for being a critic of.
brian redban
Valley of the Dolls, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was supposed to be unbelievably bad.
tom segura
You suck at it.
brian redban
It's sexy though.
tom segura
It's like having the best, like the most respected comedy critic was like one of the worst stand-ups of all time.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's exactly what it's like.
But a guy who never got out of open mic nights was fucking terrible.
tom segura
But everyone's like, he knows fucking stand-ups.
joe rogan
And you know, he would say, here's the problem with Tom Segura's last special.
Tom has this, you know, pendantic way of distributing his jokes.
Shut the fuck up.
Fucking heck.
tom segura
Yeah, it's exactly that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
Well, the idea of being a critic, too.
There's only one reason why people become critics.
It's because they don't have anything to contribute.
There's no critics that are critics because, you know, I'm brilliant at writing books, and I'm amazing at doing paintings and art, but what I really like to do is judge other people's shit.
That's my favorite thing.
No, they usually want to be authors.
They want to be screenwriters.
They want to be someone who's doing that thing, but they don't have it in them.
So they become a critic.
That's one of the beautiful things about things like Rotten Tomatoes.
They're just regular people.
They don't have to write a review of this.
They write a review of it because they're inspired to.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Which is probably like how we should treat artwork.
We should look at people's, you know, you look at an average, you know, oh, Rotten Tomatoes gave it 80%.
And then you look at the reviews, you go, okay, I see what this guy's saying.
Without giving away too much, here's what I didn't like.
Without giving away too much, here's what I liked.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.
brian redban
Yeah, I think it was the sequel and he co-wrote it.
But I remember seeing it.
It was, you know, sexy.
There was a lot of sex in it, a lot of hot chicks and stuff.
But yeah, it's a total stupid stoner 70s movie.
joe rogan
We should watch it and get really high and do commentator.
brian redban
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Carry on it.
Russ Myers, Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.
So this is a movie that he wrote?
brian redban
He co-wrote.
It was...
Co-written with Roger Ebert for 20th Century Fox.
joe rogan
See, you can't criticize that, though.
Because unless you know who the other person is, and unless you know what Roger's contributions were, you know?
I mean, he was a part of a dogshit movie, but I've been a part of dogshit shows.
You know, there's a lot of those things that we did on The Man Show that were dogshit.
But if you know about the behind-the-scenes struggles to even get dogshit made, you'd realize how difficult it is to have something represent what you wanted to do.
Especially if it was like his first movie he tried to make.
Who knows how many people were involved in this?
Who knows how high on coke the producers were?
Who knows how fucking crazy the actors were?
unidentified
Who knows?
joe rogan
It's so hard to tell.
And even if you read like his copy of the script, who knows how much editorial control he had on it, over it.
Who knows what the studio decided they wanted added or removed.
It's hard.
Unless you read their individual work.
If you write a blog entry and you wrote it all by yourself, now I know that's your work.
I know your work.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
But a show?
Something like the Jessel Neck Offensive.
How much control do you think they had?
How much input did Comedy Central have?
How much input did the producers have?
tom segura
Right.
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
The standards and practice people say, you can't say this, you can't say that, change it to this, and that waters it down, but it's good enough, let's do it anyway.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Who knows, you know?
I don't know why I chose the Jessel Necronism, but I did.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know.
tom segura
You imagine this as a representation of what he wants, but you don't know that he's actually, I mean, getting on exactly what he wants all the time, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, which is the beautiful thing about podcasts and the beautiful thing about stand-up is you don't have to have something in it that you don't like.
tom segura
Yeah, it could be exactly what you want.
joe rogan
It's a limited amount of people who are involved.
The smaller the number, the purer the vision or the purer the product of what you're doing from one source...
It's weird when you get like giant groups of people that are like All voting and deciding on what should be on a movie.
Putting their input on how a TV show should be.
What the monologue should be.
It's not going to work.
You can't have that.
The only way those things work is if you have...
The less people, the better.
tom segura
That's why the things that don't have...
Directors who really prove themselves and talent that really proves themselves can get...
They have that power of less and less notes.
That's why that work is a lot of times better.
People aren't telling really Tarantino You gotta change all this shit now.
He's putting the movie out there that he wants to put out there.
Yeah.
That's why it's good.
joe rogan
South Park, perfect example.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's really Trey Parker.
It's one fucking guy, and Matt Stone is involved in it as well, and all the writers are involved as well, but without having this one guy, if you've watched that one-hour thing that they did, what was it called?
The Countdown to...
Seven Days to Air.
Really fascinating.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, really fascinating because you get to see his process, the creative process, how many other people input things and what's involved in the creating of things.
But their show is so successful and so awesome that Comedy Central just leaves it alone.
tom segura
It's so great, man.
joe rogan
They just back away.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
As is The Daily Show.
The same sort of situation.
tom segura
They don't fuck with that.
joe rogan
They don't fuck with it.
They just leave it alone.
tom segura
And then Louis has that famous deal where he just takes less money and he delivers an episode.
They don't even know the episode.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
tom segura
He just drops it.
Here's the episode.
joe rogan
It's the best way.
Well, look.
When you've got a guy who's as talented as Louis...
If you want him on your network, the best way to get him on your network is to get him.
Let him do it.
Let him do it.
They're smart enough to get out of their own way.
It's a beautiful thing that they figured out to do that with him.
Just step back, get out of their own way, and let him do it.
tom segura
And unfortunately, I feel like a lot of entertainment would be a lot better if they would embrace that a little bit more.
There's so many people giving their input.
On television.
I mean, people would die if they realized the amount of people telling you to do things and cut things out in TV. It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just...
It's hard.
It's hard to get things done.
On a network, you know, because every spot that they have is valuable.
Every slot, every 30-minute slot, especially during prime time, it's extremely valuable.
It's worth so much to have those things there that they have to be real careful because if it's a hit, they can make so much money in advertising.
If you have a new Chappelle show and it becomes a new cultural icon sort of a thing, oh my God, it's worth money.
tom segura
So much money.
joe rogan
So because of that, these non-creative fucking people get involved in the creative process to try to optimize money.
tom segura
Fuck that all up, man.
That's the one you want to walk away from and leave alone the most.
joe rogan
When we did Opie and Anthony on Friday, they were talking about that, about radio being sort of ruined because of all this input that now...
All these restrictions, you can't just be wild anymore.
You can't just do what you actually want to do, say what you actually want to say.
You've got to worry about being suspended.
You've got to worry about being fined.
Even on satellite radio, they were still fined.
tom segura
Yeah, and they have taboo topics like, just don't even bring this up ever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, they took a hiatus from satellite for a while, but they were still on regular radio.
tom segura
Yeah, that's so bananas.
joe rogan
And the hiatus was because they had some crazy homeless guy get on and say he wanted to rape, who was it, the Blackwood Condoleezza Rice?
tom segura
Oh, right.
joe rogan
There's some crazy homeless guy saying a bunch of nutty shit.
And because of that, they got, I'm pretty sure they got suspended from satellite, but they were allowed to be on regular radio.
tom segura
That doesn't even happen.
joe rogan
Wasn't that, let's see, Opie and Anthony suspended from satellite radio.
brian redban
I know that the Playboy radio on Sirius Radio, which is now, I think, Vivid Radio, they used to have, up to like a month ago, they had these rules that you weren't allowed to talk about incest, you weren't allowed to talk about drugs, including marijuana, you weren't allowed to talk about all this shit, and it's like, wait, this is Playboy radio, and you can't talk about marijuana?
joe rogan
Yeah, XM suspended them for 30 days.
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Can't talk about marijuana on Playboy Radio?
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
What fucking stupid shit is that?
That's so dumb.
So they were on censored radio while they were suspended from uncensored radio.
tom segura
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
For something someone else said.
tom segura
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's more idiotic thinking.
There's a lot of idiotic thinking out there.
But, you know, it's also...
Let's be honest.
It's idiotic to have some fucking homeless guy on saying he wants to rape Condoleezza Rice.
Like, what you should do is say, don't do that anymore because it's stupid and gross.
That guy's nasty.
Like, why do you have this fucked up, mentally ill person in your studio saying stupid shit like that?
Like, that's not good.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
But it's...
Suspending them for that?
tom segura
Yeah, just don't do that again.
joe rogan
The people should let them know that they don't like that.
Like, hey man, that was fucking gross.
Why you got this guy saying he's going to rape some woman?
Some woman who works in the White House?
That's crazy.
tom segura
How long were they suspended for?
joe rogan
30 days.
If it wasn't for them, though, I would have never done this.
You know, and we'd never done it this way either.
Because every other show that I ever did, every other radio show that I ever did, was always like real structured.
Like you would go in there, they would have their bits, they would have their news guy that would interrupt every 15 minutes, they would do their traffic thing, they had all this stuff that you had to go through and do.
But when you do Opie and Anthony, you would just sit there and hang out with them.
It was just a loose, open, hang conversation.
And it was so much more fun to do that way.
And I remember doing it thinking, God damn, this is the way to do it.
Why don't they fucking do this on every radio show?
tom segura
You still will sometimes, every once in a while...
We'll stop in and do radio somewhere else, right?
In a certain town, will you still give them aside from O&A or no?
joe rogan
I think I do O&A and Kevin& Bean regularly.
Sometimes I'll call in to another station, but there's not that many of them anymore.
These disc jockeys have been all choked out.
They've been choked out by Jack TV or Jack Radio.
tom segura
All right, all the pre-programmed stuff.
brian redban
I tell you, that Jack Radio is pretty sweet, though.
Have you ever listened to it before?
joe rogan
It's just music.
There's no DJs anymore is the point.
There's no radio personalities in the point.
So those morning radio shows are all just choked out.
tom segura
Some radio is so, so goddamn awful to do stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you want good music and you don't want To listen to fucking idiots babble, which is a lot of what you get on those morning shows.
Yeah, something like Jack is great.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
No, I'm saying some of it is so...
The guys doing morning shows, some of them are still so bad.
joe rogan
They're dinosaurs.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're done.
That whole style only existed when there was a small amount of people that were allowed to broadcast.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and then when the restrictions came down and they had to be as generic and as politician-like as possible, you got this top 40 nonsense where you have people who talk like this.
Our next guest, you know, you're talking in some weird fake robot voice.
You're plugging into this system and doing, you know, what's expected of you and there's no individuality to it.
There's no uniqueness to it.
It's too restrictive an environment for creativity.
That's why when a guy like Howard Stern came along, it was just like he blew the roof off of the business because all of a sudden a guy came along that wasn't scared to take on controversial stances, to say outrageous shit, to say really funny things, and to try to entertain people in this really bold and crazy way.
Yeah.
And attack other people who are his competitors.
Like, openly attack them.
Like, who the fuck ever did that?
tom segura
Yeah, that was also a strategy I didn't know.
But it was like, when he was new in a market, a radio guy was telling me that, like, if he came into a new market, the first thing he would always do is attack that guy's show so that, like, he was playing in a new city and the former number one show...
Would be being made fun of on Howard's show, so that listeners would be like, oh shit, he's making fun of this guy, and create that buzz in that new city, right?
It creates drama in the new city, and then people are either saying, you know what, he's right, this show is fucking lame that we've been listening to, or he would pull the people that were going to like him anyways from that new city, and then either it worked out or it didn't.
joe rogan
And it's low fruit anyway because a lot of them really do suck.
So it's easy to do.
You just go in there and jack them.
Just pointing out the obvious.
unidentified
He would play their show on his show.
joe rogan
Well, Opie and Anthony does that, too.
tom segura
They do that, too, yeah.
joe rogan
What they do is they were doing Jocktober.
So throughout the month of October, they were like really corny, shitty radio shows.
They would highlight them, play them, and then just destroy them.
Oh, my God.
And Anthony is so good at like destroying things.
josh olin
And so is Norton.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so they would play these radio and pause them and just crush them and just go off on them for like 10 minutes and then come back to them and let them play some more and then crush them some more.
tom segura
Imagine how brutal, like if you're that guy and you hear that, it's so fucking terrible.
joe rogan
You find out that ONA got a hold of your radio show today for Jocktober and then the pests get a hold of you.
tom segura
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Because the ONA pests are fucking savages.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're animals.
Those huge, huge O&A fans.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Just listen religiously every day.
When they decide to go after somebody, they'll torture you on Twitter.
They'll torture your fucking Facebook page.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
They'll fucking attack you.
They'll attack you, as will the Stern fans.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, imagine you have your little radio show.
In Des Moines, and then you get home in your fucking mailbox.
You're like, what's all this fucking hate mail?
joe rogan
Yeah, which is one thing that I wanted to bring up.
We won the Stitcher Award for the best overall podcast.
And, you know, agree or disagree, that's all good.
But someone from some...
I'm not even going to bother mentioning because I think it was actually someone who was like one of the sound guys from the podcast told people to do this, told people to send some hate our way.
And I got all these fucking angry people on Twitter that were angry that this other show didn't win.
And, look, you know, first of all, I think contests are stupid, okay?
I'm glad that people like the show, but I don't give a fuck if we won a contest.
I think contests are dumb as fuck.
I've never asked to win a contest.
It's nice that people acknowledge that they enjoy it.
I like that.
But if you're going after someone else for winning something, and somehow or another, you know, you think it takes away from the show that you like, you're a fucking idiot.
brian redban
Is this a bigger show?
joe rogan
No, no.
I've never even heard of them until this wave of fucking hate started coming my way.
tom segura
That's super lame.
joe rogan
And just reading it, it was like, this is so stupid.
You don't have to like a show, but if you're mad that your show didn't win and another show did, you're a fucking dunce to just go out and push a bunch of hate.
All that means is that the show that you represent, the show that you like...
It has a bunch of assholes for fans.
I don't know why that is.
I don't know who's responsible for that, but it's so unnecessary.
I mean, we live in 2014. We, on this podcast especially, As a rule, support other people.
As a rule.
I'm constantly telling people about other podcasts that I love, whether it's Hardcore History with Dan Carlin or whether it's Danielle Belele, Danielle Belele's podcast or Tom Segura's podcast or whether it's anybody, Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, we constantly promote people's podcasts when they come on.
When Cara Santa Maria was on here the other day, I was telling her, start a podcast.
You should do a podcast.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if somehow or another you like her podcast more than you like my podcast, good!
That means you like something.
I don't give a fuck.
There's plenty of people in this world.
There's 300 million fucking people in this country alone.
And this podcast reaches people all over the planet.
I get emails and text messages, or tweets rather, from New Zealand, from Australia, from Japan.
I get them from Afghanistan.
I get them constantly from all over the world.
There's plenty of people.
tom segura
It's so cool.
joe rogan
Who knows how many millions that is that have access to podcasts?
You should listen to whatever you like.
The idea that somehow or another, your show is being stiffed by some...
Maybe they organized some fucking thing where they tried to win it or something like that.
unidentified
It's possible.
joe rogan
They were upset that they did that, and so this is the blowback.
But it's probably that same sort of strategy.
Get us to talk about it.
Get us to be angry about it.
And it pumps up that other show.
tom segura
Yeah, I had somebody try to bait us on that too.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, I hope that other show does great.
I hope it's something I can listen to.
I hope I enjoy it.
I'm not against any other shows.
I love what I love.
If there's someone out there that wins some Stitcher Award or some iTunes Award or something like that and we didn't, I'll listen to it because I want to know if it's good.
Maybe I'll find it enjoyable and it'll be something I can listen to on a plane sometime and have a good time.
tom segura
I'm really sorry we got our listeners to send you that hate man.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
I was about to bring that up.
I was trying to work it in slowly.
We didn't even talk about the UFC. Oh yeah.
Crazy ass fucking UFC. That was pretty crazy.
brian redban
A lot of fights I heard in the stands.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard some people got stabbed.
tom segura
Two people got stabbed.
joe rogan
Crazy.
tom segura
Another guy threw a chair at a woman.
Jesus.
joe rogan
Did he throw it at somebody else and the woman got hit?
tom segura
Is that what happened?
We didn't get clarity on that, but it was intense in the stands.
It was funny because it was...
joe rogan
How did he get a chair in the stands?
tom segura
I think the chair was in...
Higher up when they have the freestanding area where there actually are chairs.
joe rogan
Oh, I see, I see, I see.
So someone threw it down?
tom segura
I'm not sure how it was thrown.
They were just talking about that a chair got thrown and hit a girl.
That a dude threw it.
But the stabbing...
It made sense that something like that happened because we were all...
I realized that sometimes fights happen in the stands and you look and it just kind of...
It fizzles out really quickly.
And in this case, it was...
You heard a huge shouting, screaming from this area.
And we all turned and were watching it.
And then I realized that 30 seconds later, there's a fight going on and everybody is looking in the stands.
Because there's so much action in there and people are scared.
joe rogan
What fight was going on while this was happening?
tom segura
Man, this had to have been...
joe rogan
Oh, it was Jamie Varner and Abel Trujillo.
tom segura
Was it that fight?
joe rogan
That's what someone said.
tom segura
Yeah, it was later on.
So it wasn't one of the early fights.
I want to say it's probably about...
Yeah, that makes sense.
Six, seven fights in.
So that would be Varner Trujillo.
joe rogan
That was a crazy fucking fight.
That fight makes people want to stab people.
tom segura
Yeah, and that was the...
joe rogan
That fight was bananas.
tom segura
We're looking at six or seven decisions in a row up to that point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But Jamie Varner and Abel Trujillo just fucking assaulted each other.
They threw down.
tom segura
Varner looked like, in the beginning, like, he seemed like he was moments away from closing it out.
He hit him hard and fast, and he had him in trouble, and you just didn't know if he was going to close it out right then.
But then...
Towards the end of the fight, he looked like he was going to get him again.
joe rogan
Well, he had him in a north-south choke, too, for a while.
He burnt his arm out in the first round because he was trying to choke him out with that north-south choke.
So he had him on the ground, had a dominant position, had a choke, couldn't finish the choke, and then they got up and were fucking slinging knuckles at each other.
Man, yeah.
It was one of the wildest, most aggressive fights.
The way I described it, those punches were like, what did you say about my mother punches?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's the way I described it, because they were just, they were so ridiculous.
tom segura
I feel like throughout the fights, we were seeing a number of haymakers thrown, man.
Like, a lot of just over-the-top, running, throwing punches.
It was pretty intense.
joe rogan
There was a lot of, there was, I mean, people complained about it.
Like, that always happens online.
People complain.
But I thought there was some fights that weren't the most dramatic because they were evenly matched and they went to decision.
But that Varner fight and then, of course, the main event was a huge disaster.
The stoppage, the premature stoppage.
It was too bad.
First of all, it was too bad because Hennon Burrell looked fucking sensational.
I mean, he cracked Uriah Faber with this big punch.
And he hurt him with a bad leg kick before that, man.
Leg kick was like a whip.
He cracked Uriah with a hard leg kick, and you could see Uriah have a little bit of a limp to him right after that.
It was a hard kick, and then he caught him with that big punch and had him really hurt.
And so for him, it sucks because he had Uriah really badly hurt, and it doesn't give him this definitive ending.
He was looking at the referee when he was hammerfisting Uriah because he wanted the referee to stop the fight.
Which, of course, look, he's the champion.
He wants to retain his title.
It's worth a lot of money to him.
It's very valuable.
It's also a point of pride.
But he had Uriah really badly hurt.
It would have been way better if you could finish him off legitimately.
If you finished him off where there's no controversy.
But Herb Dean stopped the fight kind of early.
But on Herb's side, he didn't know.
What if he stopped the fight and Uriah, after Hennenborough got off of him, rolls over onto his back and he's unconscious?
He's getting cracked, he's hurt, he's wobbling, he's hanging on, and he's just had his hands up and he's getting hit with punches.
I didn't think it was quick enough to stop the fight, or I didn't think it was bad enough to stop the fight, but I'm not a referee, man.
I'm not in there right next to the guys.
He is, and he made a bad call.
But it's because he wanted everybody to be safe.
It's the right call to make if you're concerned with being safe.
This is the Jamie Varner, Abel Trujillo fight.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
That's the punch that landed.
Oh my god, that's crazy.
But the way they were winging at each other, look at this.
They're winging punches at each other.
Oh, Trujillo hit him so perfect too.
And he was chasing after Trujillo.
I mean, the whole thing was so crazy.
It was one of the wildest Donny Brooks style fights, one of the most slobber knocker fights I've ever seen.
tom segura
It's the fight that gets an audience excited.
That's the kind of fight that people are fired up about.
joe rogan
I just feel sorry for Uriah Faber a little bit.
tom segura
Yeah, that he didn't have a chance to actually...
joe rogan
Come back.
He's a fucking durable guy, too, because he might have been able to get out of that and survive and come back.
We saw with Frankie Edgar versus Grey Maynard, he was hurt even worse than Uriah Faber was, but look, he came back and he won.
Or he came back and he made a draw out of it.
tom segura
Who was it that thought, was it Martin that got out of a crazy armbar?
Or was he putting it on?
joe rogan
No, that was Martin was putting it on, and he put it on...
unidentified
Fucking who?
tom segura
Russian guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Magomedov.
tom segura
Magomedov.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a crazy fight.
The first round, he dominated that dude on the ground and got a real good, deep arm bar.
And the guy was screaming in agony when he was trying to get out of it.
Like, you could see his arms hyper-extended, screaming in agony.
And managed to get out of it and actually managed to win the fight.
tom segura
Yeah, that was incredible.
That was absolutely incredible seeing him get out of that.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
There was some great fights.
Jose Aldo's a fucking beast.
And so is that kid, Ricardo Lamas, man.
Ricardo Lamas is a tough fucking kid.
tom segura
We also saw Alistair and Frank Mir.
Yeah.
Dude, that knee to the face.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I know a friend, so I have really good seats.
I was, like, K-side.
And that knee was right in front of us.
Yeah.
And you hear it, and we saw Frank's eyes roll back.
I was certain, first of all, I just heard his jaw get cracked in half.
And I also thought, because he stumbled big time, I thought he was...
joe rogan
Going down.
tom segura
Absolutely, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he didn't want to go down.
Look, Frank Mir is a tough motherfucker, man.
He's tough.
He's tough, and he's experienced, and the dude has just been there, done that.
It's hard to take him out, you know?
That's why it was so impressive that Josh Barnett took him out so fast in the first round.
Frank's fucking tough, man.
He kept trying to win.
tom segura
He was trying to win, and he was getting hit pretty good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Almost had a guillotine at one point in time, but Alistair popped out of it.
But, you know, maybe if Frank got that earlier in the fight before he'd taken all that punishment, maybe he'd have had more strength.
tom segura
It's incredible to be able to take that abuse and still be in it, though.
joe rogan
Well, Alistair fought conservatively.
He kind of admitted to it, that he was worried because he had lost two fights in a row, and he wanted to make sure he played it safe and got the win.
tom segura
By the way, was it Trujillo that you asked something like...
joe rogan
Did it hurt?
tom segura
And he was like, I hurt like a mug.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did, yeah.
Oh, he was totally honest about it.
I mean, yeah.
Alright, so we ran out of time, man.
We're going to turn into a pumpkin soon.
Tom Segura on Twitter, ladies and gentlemen.
T-O-M-S-E-G-U-R-A. And the podcast with his lovely and talented wife, Christina Pazitzki, is called Your Mom's House.
And it is, in fact, the shit.
And they do a live version of this podcast.
A lot of times, Tom and Christina will do gigs.
Well, they'll do stand-up.
And then they'll also do the podcast.
And it's got a fucking huge following now.
And it's beautiful to see, man.
tom segura
It's fun.
joe rogan
I love that it's growing and expanding and that you have these shows now and all these people know all the stuff that you guys talk about on a regular basis so they're really into it.
tom segura
It's so much fun.
It's a party and it's a good time.
We're doing live podcasts.
It's like a whole different type of performance for us.
So we're doing it all over, man.
San Francisco, New York, Houston, Seattle.
It's going everywhere.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
And they're all free, of course.
What is the website?
tom segura
To listen to, yeah.
We're on iTunes or you go to yourmomshousepodcast.com.
joe rogan
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Thank you everybody who came to New York this weekend.
We had a great fucking time.
It couldn't have been a nicer crowd.
You guys were cool as fuck.
And even though over 1,000 people had to get upstairs through two elevators, we mentioned at the beginning of the show that we're going to start late because of that.
And everybody cheered and they were happy.
And we got everybody seated before the show started.
I can't thank you guys enough.
It's a real honor having people that are so nice and so cool come to our shows.
I don't know how it happened, but we're going to make sure that we continue to try to nurture this.
All right, we'll be back tomorrow with Justin Martindale.
And Friday with Cameron Hayes, a famous bow hunter.
And then it looks like we might do Saturday with Pete Dominick, who's a very funny stand-up.
And sometimes he's on CNN, and he's also got a great show on Sirius XM as well.
So we got a lot of shit coming up, you fucks.
And we love you.
We love you.
Love for all.
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