Joe Rogan and Christopher Ryan explore how hunter-gatherer societies valued women’s high status—until agriculture (10,000 years ago) tied paternity to property, reducing their autonomy. Ryan links Saudi Arabia’s gender restrictions to scarcity-based control, while Rogan critiques modern materialism, citing studies showing happiness plateaus at $40K/year and contrasting it with self-sufficient Alaskan communities. They debate institutional inefficiencies like embalming traditions and QWERTY keyboards, questioning whether progress always aligns with human well-being. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that survival-driven climates foster resilience, while modern systems prioritize profit over purpose, leaving people disconnected from deeper fulfillment. [Automatically generated summary]
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And a lot of times people wash with antibacterial soap and that's the wrong approach.
When you're doing that, what you're doing is you're killing everything, man.
The good stuff too.
It's like when you take antibiotics.
We have a real problem with over-prescribing antibiotics.
Antibiotics are very useful, don't get me wrong.
I mean, if you've got a staph infection or if you've got fucking Lyme disease or something like that, antibiotics could save your life for sure.
It's an amazing invention of fantastic human minds.
But the reality is there's other ways to approach it, and the holistic way to approach it is to keep your skin healthy and clean and keep the healthy bacteria That actually fight off bad bacteria.
Keep that shit active.
That's why I've always preached the benefits of probiotics.
I drink kombucha tea every day.
I like the taste, but there's these floating pieces of fungus in it that feel like an elephant just jerked off in your soda.
It's like a beer-y, soda-y thing.
I remember Marc Maron is clean and sober.
He had a kombucha and he tweeted on Twitter, am I drinking fucking beer?
What's going on here?
This is before they started taking them out of Whole Foods.
They just take some from someone who's got the flora that they want a little bit, put it in the blender or, you know, some hospital thing, mix it up and squirt that right up.
You've heard of the Vice documentary about poop wine that Chinese, I think, do it, where they make wine out of a kid's poop that's, like, seven years old or something like that?
I don't know if it was Vice, but it was a thing about people going around the streets, take up the manhole cover, and they've got these big, long spoons, and they grab the stuff that's caught in the filter, right, in the strainer, and it's all this, like, fatty, gelatinous, horrible, like, big luger is basically what it is.
And then they take it out to their plant in the countryside, boil it down, and sell it as cooking oil.
Yeah, Brian Cowan was telling me that when he was in China, he was with his family, and his mom said that when they were at this restaurant, she noticed that they had pig styes underneath the building.
And she was trying to figure out what was going on.
And Brian was like, why are they living under the building?
She goes, I suspect that they're the sewage system here.
This was on a long bus ride in Sumatra, in Indonesia, right?
And you get, you know, it's one of these 20-hour bus rides, and you stop, and, you know, all the buses stop in the same place, and they got the quick food and the shitters.
Big, long line of shitters.
And I go up, and it's squat toilets, right?
It's just a hole.
No plumbing or anything.
And I look through the hole and there are all these pigs down there just looking up with shit all over their faces.
Wow, I had a crazy dream that I just remembered because of that, that I brought a bunch of roses in for a friend to eat, and he was eating them, telling me how fantastic they were.
And I was just taking it for granted.
I didn't want to eat these roses at all, but I got them for him.
I may be the only person in the world who's ever noticed this, but she's got a record that came out, and there are two songs on the record.
There's one called Maybe Angels.
And it's about, the lyrics are like, my bags are packed if they ever come for me.
You know, I know my sister, she knew Elvis.
And so all this kind of like, it's sung from the perspective of someone who's waiting for aliens to come and take her away, right?
And then there's another song on the record called Heaven's Gate, which is, I don't really know what that song's about.
Months after this record came out...
The Heaven's Gate cult in San Diego all killed themselves because they thought that there were aliens behind the comet, the Hale-Bopp comet, that was coming to take them away.
So a woman became fertile at 18 or 19 because they had low body fat, so they menstruated later, whereas now girls are menstruating at 8, 9, 10 years of age.
But the sort of typical hunter-gatherer human thing starts around 18. They'd be having sex before then, but there was no consequences because they weren't ovulating.
And they found that babies who are born through cesarean don't have that and are more likely as a result to get infections and various fungal infections in their skin.
But infants who are breastfed for the first six months have a 72% lower risk of hospitalization for lower respiratory tract infections and a 64% reduced risk for non-specified gastronomical tract infections.
58% risk reduction for the intestinal infection necrotizing enteroculitis in preterm infants and a 27 to 42% reduction in allergic diseases in breastfed infants.
That's amazing.
You would be an asshole to not breastfeed your kid if you could because you're setting this kid up for a life of much more likely infections, much more likely allergic reactions.
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You should still have breast milk up to the age of two.
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And $13 billion would be saved in medical costs each year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office on Women's Health.
I mean, I know there's some issues that some women have.
Some women's aerials aren't set up for breastfeeding.
And some of that can be helped with pumps, too, apparently.
And, you know, some people, they just don't have the fucking time, unfortunately.
They hired guys to go around Africa wearing lab coats, looking like doctors.
Trying to convince women to use this formula because they were just going to throw it away, so they sold it really cheap in Africa.
Now, these are women who otherwise would breastfeed, which is really good for their kids, right?
But because these guys are wearing lab coats and speaking with authority and all this scientific bullshit, a lot of women...
Tens of thousands of women started buying this formula, mix it with the really shitty water that they've got there, and all these babies die all over Africa.
Nestle got in big.
This was like in the 80s or 90s.
There was a worldwide boycott of Nestle because of this.
They've already determined they have the right of free speech, which is translated into unlimited spending on political parties because that's considered speech, Citizens United.
And now today they agreed to hear a case because these companies that are owned by religious radical right-wingers don't want to have insurance for the employees that cover birth control.
So they say it's their right as a corporation not to do this, even though it's the national law.
And when it comes down to only being responsible for your bottom line and having an obligation to shareholders to increase the money every month, that gets really weird because it is sort of a machine.
And it's each person has to go home and say, hey, what can we do?
Well, physical attributes are not nearly as necessary as they used to be.
When our society gets more and more safe, you know, it's less and less a requirement to be physically sound or strong or not look like you're going to keel over it in a minute.
Now they have life insurance policies.
It's actually beneficial if you marry a fat guy with a bad heart.
Well, you know, aside from all the evidence that our ancestors did not evolve in nuclear families, in our bodies, it's 300 pages of evidence.
But essentially what we say is, no, women have sex for the same reason men do.
It feels good and it's a way to bond with somebody.
It's not about getting something from the dude, because when you actually look at hunter-gatherer societies, hunters go out of their way to make sure that nobody knows who killed the animals.
Like, the hunters will exchange arrows and stuff before they go hunting.
The guy who brings the animal back to the village often generally is not the one who killed it.
There are all these very powerful ways that societies make sure that nobody gets proud and nobody gets too much credit and everything's spread around evenly.
It's fierce egalitarianism is what the scientists call it.
And it's not because they're noble savages or some shit.
It's because that's the best way to mitigate risk in a hunter-gatherer society.
Right?
So like you go hunting today, you get a deer.
I didn't get one.
I might not get one for a week, right?
You're not going to get one every day.
It's sporadic.
You come back, you don't have any refrigeration anyway, so it's not like you could keep it all for yourself and your wife and your kids, right?
And it mitigates risk when everybody eats.
Whether you get it or I get it, we all eat.
Plus, we're all really highly interdependent.
So the last thing we need is you and me fighting over who's a better hunter and who's fucking whose wife and all this kind of bullshit because that splits up the group.
So what we argue in Sex at Dawn is that human sexuality was actually a way to bond the group together.
And people were having sex with different people simultaneously and raising children together.
And this obsession with Paternity, which is assumed to be part of our DNA, is actually a response to agriculture, which is just 10,000 years ago, which is like 5% or less of our existence as a species.
Essentially, when people stayed put, they could accumulate resources, whether it's domesticated animals or land or buildings or wheat or whatever.
And so once that happens, then there's a completely different sense of property, right?
Because in a hunter-gatherer society, there's very little property because they're nomadic.
So you don't want to carry shit around, right?
And whatever there is, is shared.
And when you shift to agriculture, suddenly there's a lot of property and it's not shared.
It's hoarded.
It's controlled by individual families or people.
So that's when paternity becomes a big deal because you've spent your life Accumulating all these resources, you want them to go to your sons, right?
And it's also, interestingly, the first time that people really understood that sex caused babies.
Because before that, everybody's just having sex and women are having babies.
There's no reason to think that sex is causing the babies, right?
But then when you've got domesticated animals and you see like, oh, okay, the black bull fucked that white cow, and now we got these black and white calves.
Oh, right, I get it, right?
So you start putting that together when you're living around a lot of domesticated animals and breeding.
And so that's when women became the property of men.
If you read the Old Testament, it says, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
Nor his house, nor his ox, nor his slaves, nor his she-ass, whatever a she-ass is.
So it's, you know, keep your hands off your neighbor's stuff, and the wife is just part of his stuff.
So that's radically different from the way men and women interacted in hunter-gatherer societies, where women had very high status, equal to or sometimes higher than men's, because the women supplied over half of the calories that people lived on.
The gathering is what brought the food in every day.
In that case, primarily, you're looking at anthropological research that's been done by people on hunter-gatherers, right?
There's still some hunter-gatherers in the world, and in the 60s and 70s, there were a lot more, and a lot of...
People wrote their research on that.
So there's a pretty sizable research on hunter-gatherers.
And what you find is universalities.
So whether you're talking about Inuits in Greenland or Australian Aboriginal people or Papua New Guinea or the upper Amazon, you find these similar or universalities among all the different groups.
So you say, okay, look, if this is common to all these groups from all over the world, then it is universal.
Characteristic of hunter-gatherer societies.
And we know our ancestors were hunter-gatherers, so therefore we can extrapolate.
Because when you started not just accumulating material possessions, but actually start figuring out finances and figuring out money and the monetary compensation for work and things along those lines, like how did that factor into the male-female relationship?
Because men physically being stronger were able to do things, being more aggressive were probably pushier when it comes to acquiring that money, and then they found themselves in an imbalanced position where the men Have more financial worth than the woman.
Well, I think it's an echo of these early days when women became the property of men.
And honestly, you know, someone I was talking to recently, just at dinner, an American woman, said in the 60s, in the 60s, she couldn't open a bank account without her husband or father co-signing.
But then the problem is, how do you go to those people, like those crazy people that were on that TV show that had 19 children?
Remember those people?
First of all, what is she in labor for, like, three seconds?
Does he actually have sex with her, or does he just jerk off into the abyss?
Like, how are those babies actually fertilized?
How could you tell that woman she can't do that?
I mean, I think it's a freak show.
I think resources-wise, I have three kids.
It's hard.
It's hard to give them all the time that they deserve.
Me and my wife have discussed that when it comes to the possibility of having more children.
I said, I think we should really concentrate on raising the ones we have.
They're fun, and it's great.
They need a lot of time.
Children need a lot of time, and I enjoy giving them that time.
But I think that if you have another kid around everyone gets a little bit less time and I think in that getting less time there's some benefits the independence aspect of it as long as there's love and there's comfort but I also think you can teach kids a lot of shit you know and you can teach them a lot especially if you really are into it and you concentrate on it and you read a lot of books on it which I'm really involved in the idea of raising kids like I'm raising little human beings so The conversations that I have with them are all geared towards that.
Like, it's geared towards enlightening them as to the world.
And it's sort of guiding them as how to treat people, how to be nice to people, how to be nice to your sister.
Be nice to people.
Don't get angry at things for no reason.
Look at it this way instead of that way.
And I think that, you know, you're going to miss a lot of that when you have 15, 16 kids.
You guys just shut the fuck up.
Just shut the fuck up.
Organize teams.
You, you're responsible for your little brother.
You, you're responsible for her.
And that's what those people did.
Every kid has a chore.
That's how you raise zombies.
These kids, they're not going to know what the fuck is going on in the world.
They're going to need someone to help them.
Every day is spent doing tasks.
And your life is basically religion, homeschooling, and these tasks.
Like someone was telling me, hey, you know, man, you should cover your camera on your laptop because there's a camera on the laptop and the fucking NSA can spy in on you.
But anyway, so I released this thing and I get an email today from someone I know who's cool, who's smart, and she's like, she's a lesbian.
And she's like, well, you know, she was upset because the transgender person dresses like a conventional woman and associates with this sort of conventional vision of womanhood.
And so the lesbian is saying she's supporting a paradigm that makes me feel bad, that makes me suffer.
But what we were talking about, which got really weird, was we were talking about traditional roles and things that women do that discredit other women.
And she was talking about makeup and high heels.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, I know for a fact that if you see a transgender man wearing makeup and high heels, you don't have a problem with that at all, do you?
And she was like...
You're right.
And I go, well, what the fuck is that about?
I go, if a guy is dressing up like a woman, if he has a sex change, he becomes a woman, you're like, you go, girl.
But if a woman wants to wear high heels and let her ass hang out of a skirt, you think that there's something wrong with her.
I'm like, that's ridiculous.
You're just closed-minded.
You're just very rigid in what you expect from other people.
And yeah, for sure, there's some women out there that put on a big show to get sexual attention.
Much like a peacock male spreads his feathers.
I mean, they're trying to get attention and it's effective.
I think a lot of the problem that people have with that, that they don't want to admit, is that it bothers them that people are attracted to that.
It bothers them that people are not as attracted to them.
You know, there's a lot of ugly women who are mad at pretty women.
I mean, it's not fair.
Life is not fair.
And until they come up with some sort of a genetic remedy, which I believe is within a hundred years, they're going to be able to take you and turn you into whatever the fuck you want.
If you want to be a unicorn, if you want to be the Hulk, you know, I think they're going to be able to do to your body whatever.
I think there's going to be elasticity to our genetics and the design of the human being will invariably be manipulated.
They're going to change it.
So you're going to be able to look like a beautiful woman if you want to.
And I think when that comes, man, it's going to be a weird time because, first of all, it's only going to be available to the elite at first.
There's going to be these glowing, perfect specimens that everyone's going to want to fuck.
No one's going to want to fuck a regular person with a mole.
And the bride at the wedding was furious because some other woman that one of the guests had brought in was dressed really sexy.
And she had this banging body.
And the bride was fucking crying.
Like that this was her big day, and this fucking bitch came in, and she's wearing this out.
And it wasn't anything crazy.
It wasn't like she was wearing fishnets and a bra and was like, Kapow!
Why get married?
Look at this shit.
This is out here on the market, fucked face.
And you're settling for cold mashed potatoes.
And the woman was attractive as well.
The bride was attractive too.
And they were clearly in love, and it should have been a celebration.
It should have been joy.
And all she could think of was this bitch was upstaging her on her fucking day.
This bitch was like, why the fuck did he bring that bitch?
You know, why the fuck did she dress that way at my wedding?
Apparently, like, no one knew her.
She was a guest, you know, a friend of the guest.
Fuck, you know, that competition thing is weird because people feel like you're taking something from them.
If you always wanted to play basketball, but you're 5'8", and like me, I'm 5'8", and I wish I was as tall as that Mao Ying guy, whatever the fuck his name is.
What's his name?
The big giant Chinese guy?
Yao Ming?
Whatever his name is.
Shaquille O'Neal.
Let's go with Shaq.
I did Fear Factor with Shaq, and I stood roughly dick height to him, and it looked like I was his child.
And also, the conversations that we're having, like this conversation with you, you can not just acquire information much more easily than reading, but it also stimulates your desire to acquire new knowledge in a way that I don't even know if reading does.
It's like you get inspired by a variety.
It's almost like a magazine.
You get inspired by a variety of different ideas, and then you can go pursue those ideas on your own.
But they open up doors, and doors to me too, not just to the listeners.
There's a lot of just having these conversations, being able to sit down with a guy like you for three hours and just talk.
How would we do that?
If we did that normally, if we decided to have dinner together, we would be, what are you going to eat?
And the idea behind it was like, I want to make sure that nothing gets wounded.
I want it to be as painless, as quick as possible.
I had my rifle sighted the day before.
We went to a range.
I shot a gang of rounds.
I shot 90 rounds before the day before we left and another 20 the day of.
And I've been practicing a lot.
So my accuracy is excellent.
I was ready to do it.
The idea behind it is very simple.
I mean, hunting is a very thrilling thing.
What I want to do this year, and this is in no judgment of anybody who's not doing it, but I want to be able to know exactly where all my meat comes from.
And I want it all to be wild meat.
I think it's better for you.
I think it's an ethical, much more ethical way than factory farming, certainly, and even more than agriculture, because that animal is living its life completely free and wild until the moment you pull that trigger.
And so my idea was to get all those ducks in a row, make sure that I'm shooting at an animal that I'm definitely going to hit.
The crosshairs are lined up on it perfectly.
Fucking scope is off.
Scope is off and the animal got hit in the shoulder.
So I wasn't sure if that was what the case was or if I just missed.
There's so much adrenaline going on and it's so depressing and so sad.
So I went to a range and I went with a marksman too.
And one of the guys we were with knows how to sight rifles, and he's like, yeah, this is off.
This is off quite a bit.
It was off by like six inches at 100 yards, which is quite a bit.
I mean, when you fall, and I was walking around these slippery hills with snow everywhere and logs, and These big, stupid moon boots that I was wearing that were insulated boots that were good to like 40 below zero, but you can't fucking walk in them.
I mean, they're enormous and they're stiff.
Their ankles don't bend, so you're like Frankensteining it.
One of the reasons being is because their body doesn't process corn well.
So they get all these abscesses and all these issues with their stomachs.
Look, you know...
Again, I'm not trying to judge.
I'm not saying go out and do what I'm doing.
But I think knowing what I know about the whole process, seeing documentaries like Food, Inc., and just knowing what I know about, I don't want to do that.
I don't want to be a vegetarian.
But if I had a choice between being a vegetarian and keeping the factory farm system in place the way it is, I'd probably go with being a vegetarian.
I would just eat eggs.
I would just eat eggs and vegetables and things along those lines.
But I like meat.
And I think there's a lot of health benefits.
I think there's a lot of health benefits to meat.
I really do.
I find it delicious.
And I've always said this, but it's not like those animals are going to live forever and become magic.
I mean, they have a short lifespan.
Deer, if the deer is lucky as fuck, they hit five years old.
They have to be lucky as fuck to not get eaten by a predator, hit by a car, shot by a hunter.
Or froze to death, which is the big issue with deer.
Especially in non-farmlands.
See, in the place where we're at, these deer are fat as fuck because they're grazing on crops.
They're eating alfalfa.
A lot of these places, they actually grow food plots just for deer.
Because deer hunting, first of all, the opening day is fucking crazy.
We were out there.
It was like 5.30 in the morning.
We were out there an hour before it got light.
And you hear, as soon as the sun starts cracking, you hear, boom!
We had to decide whether or not the deer was big enough for me to shoot.
Because this guy is trying to raise large deer on his property.
But since they're trying to get rid of as many as possible right now because they're growing, he kind of gave us the green light to shoot a younger deer.
So the deer was only like two years old.
They like them to grow like five years.
They get these big, crazy antlers.
Big antlers are cool, but I was doing it for meat.
That's what I want to do it for from now on.
I want to just try to do that every few months and bring back 100 pounds of meat or shoot an elk, shoot a large animal, and just try to live off wild animals.
One time we were, she was raised in a rural, her grandmother's house was in a village, an African village, and she spent weekends out there all the time.
So anyway, one day we're in Amsterdam.
We're sitting in Amsterdam.
It's a beautiful spring day by a canal, and these little ducks go by, and she's looking at these ducks, like really staring at these ducks, and she's got a weird look on her face.
I say, what are you thinking?
She said, oh, I was just thinking how much I'd love to kill that duck and rip its guts out and stuff it with garlic and herbs and rosemary.
Look at my grandmother.
My wife grew up ringing necks of chickens and ducks and geese.
It's no big deal for her.
It's like whatever.
That's what you do.
She thinks we're silly.
Americans are ridiculous with our disconnect from where things came from.
There's actually a good company that makes a spray that you use sublingually that works pretty good, but nothing beats the old injectoroni.
Bang!
B12 right in your system.
Yeah, that's a big issue with vegans, not getting B12, because primarily I think it comes from animals.
But they've actually brought this vegan couple to trial for manslaughter, murder, whatever it was, because their child died from malnutrition because the kid wasn't getting enough B12. Their baby died because they didn't give it the proper vitamins because they insisted on a vegan diet.
So in not harming animals, they harmed their child.
Life eats life.
That's a real issue.
Factory farming is evil.
I agree.
I'm with you.
I think it goes along with the same thing that we were talking about earlier with corporations being that we lost the script and humanity is not favored over finances, over ones and zeros.
But you know, maybe I'm going to sound like one of these vegans here, but I've known a lot of these guys with the yachts and the mansions, and they're not really happier.
They're not actually happier.
In fact, a lot of them are much less happy, certainly, than people suppose.
Because when you get that much shit, then your life becomes about your shit.
Once your needs are met, everything after that is not about happiness.
I was explaining this to a friend of mine that one of the big things that happened to me when I started doing well and started making enough money, I mean, it was not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but when I first started doing well as a comedian was that I didn't feel worried anymore.
Like about where my bills are getting paid.
Because every month was like a fucking terrifying struggle to pay for food and pay for gas.
It was always like barely under the wire.
I'm paying my rent three days late every month because I didn't have it.
It was always like that.
And once that was alleviated, it was a huge pressure release.
That's what makes you happy.
When you can go to a restaurant and not worry about what you order.
The greatest predictor of happiness, once you get past that level of subsistence or you can take a vacation, you're not worried about paying your bills and all that, The greatest predictor of happiness is community, a sense of community, interconnection with other people.
Shooting ourselves in the foot with the wealth is that one of the things that happens with wealth is that we become isolated and insulated from other people.
What's the difference between comfort and numbness?
I used to travel backpack all over the world.
And sometimes I'd meet somebody and they'd be like, you don't know, man, you gotta come with me on my private jet.
We stay at the five-star hotels.
Those people didn't see anything.
The five-star hotels are the same wherever you go.
It's a different beach out front, but that's it.
You're not really meeting any of the local people.
And I think that society as a whole gets really weird when you have cities, too.
You know, Jim Norton, who's a good buddy of mine, lives in an apartment in New York City.
And he lives in a building with probably a thousand people.
I mean, I don't know how many people live in the building.
I go, "Who do you know in that building?" - That's a worm in it. - And he goes, "I don't know anybody." He goes, "I say hi to my neighbor every now and then.
I've seen him a couple of times." He goes, "But I don't know anybody." So it's even more crazy, because unlike a community, like your house is next to your neighbor's house, and you see him mowing the lawn, you say, "Hi, so what do you do?" "Oh, I'm a printer." "Oh, cool, I write books." Well, hey, if you ever need anything, I'm next door.
That doesn't even go on.
And there's a thousand people living in a box stacked on top of each other.
And that is the norm.
Instead of the village.
Like, one of the things that I found really fascinating about your book was Sex at Dawn.
Was the way you described the interconnectedness of these small societies, that the idea of promiscuity that we have today, our idea of it is someone going to a bar and picking up a total random stranger and having sex with someone all willy-nilly and crazy.
That's not what promiscuity originated as.
It originated as just having sex with a bunch of different people that were also in the tribe, and it was the norm.
So you're talking about that apartment building and how nobody knows each other.
It reminds me of a book I just read recently researching this other one.
It's called Paradise Built in Hell.
And it's studies of the way people react to disasters, you know, and contemporary mainstream economic theory, which is sort of based on the idea that we're all selfish and trying, you know, self-optimizers, always looking for advantage for ourselves.
That's sort of like built into economic theory.
Would predict that in disasters that people would be even more like that.
You know, they'd be even more protective of their resources.
Whereas what actually happens is that in disasters, people start helping each other, strangers.
You know, like those people in that building, that's when they'll meet each other when there's an earthquake, right?
And like, holy shit, did you feel that?
Or, you know, Twin Towers, people were so happy after that.
And I think that's also why people...
Enjoy.
I'm not sure enjoy is the right word, but you ever heard of Sebastian Junger?
Do you think that maybe that's one of the reasons why people feel so unfulfilled, is that they're not experiencing highs and lows, they're just experiencing a drone...
Like a daily drone of traffic and a job that's mundane.
K or C? C. He's a neurology professor at Columbia University.
H-A or H-E-R? H-A-R-T. H-A-R-T. No, I think I sent you an email about him because he was coming out to do the Bill Maher show like a month ago or something.
He's got a book out called High Price.
It's sort of an autobiographical account of him being born in Miami, wrong part of town.
He's a black guy, low income, and I don't remember if it's his brother or his buddies growing up.
Most of them are in jail.
He grew up in that inner city drug scene, right?
And through good luck and some people who were impressed by him, he ended up getting a PhD and now he's a tenured professor at Columbia.
But he's a dude from that world.
And so he's talking about drugs with a very knowledgeable, realistic understanding of what they are and what kind of people use them and why they use them.
And so he argues that Drugs aren't addictive.
What's happening is these people are in this absolutely impossible situation.
And as you say, they go get the drugs and get behind a door and say, fuck you, because it's like the only escape they've got.
And then there's also these Alaska shows that I like, like Life Below Zero is one of them, where it's all people that live either below or right above the Arctic Circle, or right below or above the Arctic Circle.
Some of them 140 miles above the Arctic Circle.
I mean, they're just fucking freezing their ass off.
But they're happy.
They have a task.
It's not my life.
It's not what I want to do.
Yeah.
They're missing a lot of things that I enjoy, but there's something about this life that they're living that creates these stable, happy people.
If you look at reality shows, reality shows drive me fucking crazy, and I think they should because there's something about putting people on television for no reason and then following them because they're on television for no reason.
Keeping up with the Kardashians.
The Kardashians are just some normal folks.
I'm sure they're no better or no worse than most of our neighbors.
But when you're following these unexceptional people that have nothing to contribute, they're not doing anything.
They're not releasing songs, they're not writing books, they're not contributing to the cultural awareness.
There's nothing going on there, but yet you follow them anyway because they're being broadcast and it becomes something that you lock into.
You're dealing with people of an exceptionally low character, nonsense talking, you listen to the things they care about, the things they say.
They're essentially children eating the fat of this society, this oozing, big, fat, sloppy society that just lets them pull up to the trough and feed.
And because of that, they never are pressured to develop character and true identity and be exceptional people in the way that these hunter-gatherer people are.
I've watched these subsistence shows.
You're dealing with these really solid people.
They get up.
It's fucking 20 below zero.
They have to feed their dogs.
They have to pull together these salmon wheels to gather up all these fish so that they can feed their dogs.
If they don't get 200 fish, 200 pounds of fish, they're going to have to kill one of their fucking dogs.
Because they can't feed the goddamn thing, so they have to put it out of its misery.
And this one guy was talking about how he had to kill all his dogs one year.
He had to kill all his fucking dogs because he couldn't feed them.
I mean, they're different kinds of people than someone like, I hate red shoes!
Why did you give me red shoes?
Oh my god, my feet are fat.
They're not fat.
Shut up.
She knows my feet are fat.
And then you cut away.
She's always telling me my feet are fat.
And then when I say my feet are fat, she's like, no, they're not.
Well, make up your mind, bitch.
I mean, that kind of nonsense distraction when you come home from a day of work and you're all fucked up on Zoloft and you're just staring at this stupid fucking show.
Like, what is that?
What is that?
I mean, is that like some sort of a way that this machine...
It has of getting us to continue to contribute, continue feeding this machine, continue buying things and becoming a part of this weird process we have where all we do is just create new items and blocks of fucking things and stuff your house filled with shit that you buy and everything that you buy just continues to contribute to this process of constantly creating new shit.
All they care about is that the wheel keeps spinning faster and faster if possible.
It doesn't matter why, right?
I mean, I remember listening to this interview with a football coach a few years ago.
It was a great, great moment.
I don't remember who he was, but they said, what's the key to being a great coach?
He said, well, you've got to be smart enough to really understand the game, but not smart enough to see how little it all matters.
I thought, well, that sums up just about everything, you know?
Because if you think about it, you realize, like, this is all bullshit.
You know, the entire enterprise of Western civilization is not leading to happiness.
It's leading away from happiness.
Higher suicide rates, higher depression rates, higher lack of life satisfaction.
Plus, we're destroying the fisheries, we're destroying the fucking planet, you know, bit by bit.
What is the point of this?
And people say, well, but look at the pyramids.
We created the pyramids.
Cell phones, blah, blah, blah.
But none of that shit matters unless it contributes to human happiness.
And it's demonstrable that it doesn't.
Therefore, I mean, I hear you say, well, I'd miss this.
I'd miss that.
I'd miss a lot of shit, too.
There's no doubt about it.
In the book, I'm not advocating that we go back to hunter-gatherer societies, Although partial steps like what you're doing are great.
Not because it's going to save the world, but because it'll enrich your life and your kids' lives.
But the whole I'd miss this or that thing is kind of like a non-issue because if you were raised in that society, then you wouldn't know to miss it.
So it's not about you or me becoming hunter-gatherers.
It's about looking at these two approaches to life.
Independently.
And saying, okay, the people who are born and raised in those traditions, what's the outcome?
Who's happier?
Who's better off?
Who has greater life satisfaction?
Who has better health?
You know, look at all these different parameters.
There's a great book, Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes.
It's about the Pinacha people of the upper Amazon.
This missionary went to live with him.
And he's the only Westerner who speaks their language.
It's a very unusual language.
Daniel Everett.
And so he went to live with them, learned the language, and eventually they convinced him to adopt their spiritual traditions rather than the other way around.
He abandoned the church.
I don't remember which church sent him.
But he talks a lot about happiness, satisfaction.
He says some psychologists came and visited the village when he was there.
And these are hunter-gatherer people with very little contact with the outside world.
And the psychologist said, man, I've never seen anyone happy this much.
And he said the way you judge it is you take videos and you look at how much of the time they're laughing or smiling.
And he said they laugh about everything.
Their house falls down.
They're laughing.
Someone, you know, you're embarrassed.
You laugh.
Like, everything is about laughter.
It's a very interesting society, a real look into the mentality of these people.
One of the things that's really striking about them is that they don't, you know, we're talking about focus, right?
They don't have a sense of future or past that extends beyond focus.
It didn't pass beyond the generation of the grandfathers.
So when the missionary showed up and started talking about Jesus, They'd be like, okay, did you know this guy?
The problem we have is it's so deeply ingrained in our idea of culture, so deeply ingrained that when you're talking about happiness, that happiness without money, like without success is like, "Come on." like without success is like, "Come on." We don't buy it.
If you're talking about a guy who's got a half-million-dollar house, and he drives a Cadillac and works all day, and you're like, well, listen, we've decided to start a commune, and we're going to be really happy.
We're going to grow our own food.
What are we going to do for money?
We're not going to have any money.
Get the fuck out of here.
Look at this house I got.
Look at this car.
Come on, I need to pay for gas.
It costs a lot of money, just electric bills, $500 a month.
People get this idea in their head that this thing that you're doing, this part of this role that you're playing in this society, is the only way to be happy.
Unless you're talking about gigantic chunks of land, like if someone's got a goddamn huge cattle ranch that's got 3,000 acres.
It's obvious they're using up a lot of resources, a lot of water.
You should probably pay some sort of a tax on that.
If you're just a guy who's got a $150,000, $200,000 house and you worked your whole life to earn that house and you bought it and paid for it, you should be fucking done.
Just like you're done with your car.
You don't have to keep paying your fucking car every year.
You don't have to like, what's your car worth this year?
Well, you owe us 10% of that, boy.
I paid it already.
What are you talking about?
I paid sales tax.
You guys got a cut when I bought the fucking thing.
Why do you keep getting a cut every year?
What is this property tax nonsense?
It's stupid.
It's ridiculous and it keeps you on the tit.
It keeps you on the tit.
You can never just go off the grid.
One of the shows that I watch is a show called Mountain Men.
And there's a guy named Eustace Conway, and he lives in North Carolina.
And this guy is totally off the tit, all right?
All he does is live off the tit.
He's got a generator that uses river water.
The river water spins this wheel that creates electricity, and that's how he powers his bandsaws.
He cuts his own wood, he has like a couple thousand acres out there.
And he lives off deer meat that he shoots, he lives off chickens that he raises, and he's off the land, grows his own kale, the whole deal.
But his big dilemma?
Paying his fucking property tax every month.
So every year, you know, he's got to figure out how to sell things.
He's got to chop wood and sell wood.
He's got to do all these different things.
When really, he paid for all that shit.
We should just leave that guy alone.
He's not hurting anybody by living off the land that he paid for.
Like, get the fuck off his back!
But they're always going to do that.
They're always going to keep you tied in if they can.
If they can figure out a way to keep sucking money out of you.
And...
It's essentially a justification for the incompetent system.
The system is so fucking filled with just gross misspending and misappropriation and mismanagement of funds.
Just so gross and sloppy and bureaucratic.
They need everybody to be on the tit in order to feed that stupid inefficient machine.
And he was a friend of mine, and I skipped my junior year of college.
So I had one more year of undergraduate, and then I was going to go to Oxford for my PhD, thanks to this guy and his connections.
I was going to study literature there, do a PhD, and by the time I was 30, be teaching somewhere, hopefully have tenure and be all set for life.
So I skipped my junior year because I found a loophole in the student handbook where I could scam through, which I've done every school I've ever been in, every job I've ever had, I find some scam.
So I scammed my way out of junior year and I said, I'm going to go to Alaska because I want to see the frontier.
So I hitchhiked from New York to Alaska.
Had all these freaky adventures, as you can imagine, right?
Went to prison, got shot at, you know, all this crazy shit happened.
And I met people along the way who picked me up, especially like in the Yukon and Alaska, who were so fucking kind.
They'd take me home, they'd feed me, introduce me to the wife, the kids, or women who'd stop and pick me up just trusting, like, hey, whatever, really self-sufficient people.
They built their own houses, they had healthy relationships, they knew how to fix their own cars, they were really self-sufficient.
None of them knew anything about the fancy-schmancy literature and philosophy that I was studying, I had the collected poems of D.H. Lawrence in my backpack, and they'd never heard any of this shit, right?
When I compared them to my professor friends back at school, I was like, wait a minute, these people don't know any of this, you know, elite knowledge, but they're really happy people, and they're healthy people, and they have good families, and they're decent, and they're kind, and they're generous to me.
And then I imagine one of them, you know, stumbles into Princeton, New Jersey, or where I was going to school in upstate New York, and my professor friends, you know, come upon them.
They'd laugh at them.
They wouldn't help them.
They wouldn't be kind to them.
And my professor friends had to call a fucking electrician to change a light bulb, right?
So it's like, well, wait a minute.
What do I want to do in this life?
Where am I going?
So that's when I just said, all right, fuck it.
No grad school.
And I wrote to the guy, like, sorry, not going to Prince or Oxford, not going to do any of this.
Till I'm 30, I'm not going to make a commitment to anything.
No job, no woman, no grad school, no med school, nothing.
I'm just going to float around the world and have adventures.
Yeah, that's the best time to get it after you've gotten in a bar argument.
But you find people, they were very kind and very cool and very competent, as you were saying, and they're just...
They're people that are also dealing with nature in a way different level.
They're dealing with weather.
Real weather.
And we don't have to do that.
Especially in California, which is the most ridiculous and retarded state in the country as far as the way people behave on the norm.
Don't get me wrong, I love it here and there's a lot of cool people here and all my best friends are here.
But the reality of California is that we don't have to deal with weather at all.
The worst thing we have to do is press a button.
Oh my god, it's hot.
You press a button, it's not hot anymore.
I mean, as long as the power stays on, really not that fucking hard to deal.
But if you're living in Alaska, you have to take precautions every year.
You have to keep a candle in the back of your car.
You have to keep matches.
You have to keep blankets with you at all times.
Because your car could break down, you could be at the side of the road, no one could be on the road, and that candle might keep you alive.
You have to light that candle in your car with all the doors shut, and that's the only way you're going to stay warm and stay alive.
There's a lot of that kind of thinking going on there.
And then when someone sees you pulled over to the side of the road, they're not like, oh, who's this creepy fuck in Sherman Oaks that's pulled over to the side of the road with his hazards on?
I'm not stopping for this guy.
They're like, oh, who is this person, this kindred soul out here in the middle of the woods that got fucked, and this could be me.
But your professor friends, to not pick them up would be right where they live.
That's the crazy thing about it.
It's like, you're right that the professor probably wouldn't pick up someone who was broken down on the side of the road, but they're right to not doing that if you live in a city.
Because you never know what the fuck you're going to get.
And then on the other hand, you've got places like Brazil where the weather's fantastic and the people are like laughing and they're on the beach, they're smiling and very friendly and very warm.
And that's also because they don't have to deal with any bullshit.
They're all wearing flip-flops.
I mean, nobody has to worry about nothing.
No matter what the time of the year is, it never gets cold.
There's people in Rio that are surfing 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
They can do whatever they want.
There's no sharks down there either.
I think recently someone got bit by a shark in Brazil.
Yeah, I think that a certain amount of nature, having to deal with a certain amount of adversity, develops character.
It's one of the issues that I have with modern life as far as people just getting a nice, safe job, is that You don't really have to deal with too much adversity.
There's not a lot of risk involved, not a lot of fear.
And parents like that for their children.
Like, take a safe job, Johnny.
You know, you get in the union, you got a good career there.
Like I get addicted to martial arts, or I get addicted to stand-up comedy, or I get addicted to, you know...
Things that I like, but they're thrills.
That's what I'm addicted to.
I'm addicted to martial arts.
One of the things about it that was so exciting is regular life became so much more manageable when four or five days a week I was fighting for my life.
It's like there was a reality of a mad scramble with some crazy brown belt who's got a nasty guard and you guys are doing battle.
He's trying to choke the blood out of your neck.
And because of that, everything else I would do would be so much less threatening.
And so much more in context.
It would give it a context and it would give it a perspective.
And then the next time I was in Thailand, I was in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and I rented this Suzuki 185, like a small light bike, and I did like a six-day trip around the Golden Triangle in northwest Thailand, which borders Burma and Laos.
And it's where, like, 80% of the heroin in the world comes from.
It's also where I tried heroin, which was a weird time.
And it was being shown in this little bar cafe in Chiang Mai near where I was staying, and I got up early because I wanted to see it, and these two British dudes and me were the only ones there.
And they were junkies.
And they were, like, super high-class dudes.
Like, one of them, his uncle was in Parliament, and the other was the son of a very famous writer, whose book I had read, actually.
Country guys from Pennsylvania originally, but he moved out west in the 60s and got a job as a fire lookout in Arches National Monument or one of those parks or maybe it was Canyonlands right there.
And spent the summer by himself in this house, you know, just with this incredible view, looking for lightning strikes.
And he wrote essays and the book became this cult word of mouth classic.
We went there for the winter to ski, and then I was there this summer filming the TV show, the sci-fi show.
One of the things we did was in Utah, and everything was fucking green and gorgeous, and you just get to see what it looks like when it's not covered in snow.
But when we drove up there, Duncan and I just could not stop rolling down the window and just sticking our heads out and go, God, is this real?
It's so gorgeous.
Just deep, rich green with low clouds everywhere because you're pretty high altitude up there in the mountains and it's just the fog and the clouds and the trees and it's just so alive in the air.
I think, as we were saying about weather, that dealing with weather is important too.
Just to know that you're humbled by nature upon occasions.
It's one of the things I like about it when it rains in LA, and everybody has to go, oh, okay, yeah, this could happen too.
There's people that complain about it, but I love the fact that they're introduced to the reality of the fact that you're living on a planet with an ecosystem, and it's variable.
I mean, one of the cool things, and I've lived in India for months at a stretch, and one of the cool things there is that electricity would go out, like, constantly, you know?
And somebody, oh, fuck, someone last night told me that story, showed me that recipe in her cookbook, And said that something about the person who named it got you confused with Seth Rogen or something, or Josh somebody.
Did I ever tell you, there's this one video of a fight that broke out in a gymnasium, and everyone even used to have towels more back then, because the towel thing's kind of new.
In the last ten years, rappers started having towels all the time and stuff.
So there was this fight that broke out in this gymnasium, and they showed, the video lasted until everyone got out of the gymnasium, and on the ground was just towels and the stickers from people's hats.
What's interesting is that, I don't know if you heard the family said that, the only thing they could think of is that the hostess says Dana is going to be, or Dan's going to be your waiter.
And we'll be here in a second.
And then when she came up, they go, oh, you're definitely not a Dan, you know, or something like that, because her real name's Dana.
And so she kind of might have taken it as, oh, they're calling me a guy, you know, and that's why she got mad at these people.
It reminds me, like, five years ago I read this story in the International Herald Tribune about a guy, this relates to what we were saying earlier, a rich guy, millionaire, big house, who decided to give it all up and, you know, give everything away and live a simple life because that was happy, it would make him happier and this and that, right?
So when I started working on Civilized to Death, I had this clipping that I had kept for years.
And so I Googled the dude to see, you know, what's happened with this guy.
This family apparently, not only were they not homophobic, they actually wouldn't vote for Governor Christie because he didn't agree with gay marriage.
She used to tell her friends that she had survived brain cancer, that she did when in Afghanistan and all her people and her army thing blew up and she was the only survivor, which she never even toured in Afghanistan.
Stalin said one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic, right?
So it's...
And it does become like that.
So if you're, you know, like in her case, she might say, well, I wasn't lying to anybody.
I didn't know those people, right?
You know, people sending me money, obviously they can spare it, you know, and I need it.
You know, you can make all sorts of excuses because you're not talking directly to the person you fucked.
Right.
And it's the same thing in the legal system.
You get minimum mandatory sentencing.
So all these people are going away to fucking prison for 15 years of their life.
And the judge is like, this dude's sitting right in front of me.
I can see this person as an individual.
He doesn't deserve this.
But because it's institutionalized, I have to do it.
I really think that as long as we're living in these massive societies where we're constantly dealing with people we don't know in any personal way, there's always going to be that sense of emptiness and the abuse of trust.
I think we have a real hard time dealing with large numbers of people.
You get this weird detachment, like I was saying about Jimmy Norton living in this box with a thousand people that he doesn't know.
And also, I wanted to get back to this we were talking about earlier about New York after the Twin Towers.
We filmed Fear Factor in New York and I think it was 2002 or maybe 2003 at the latest and it was palpable how friendly people were and what a change it had made and what a sense of community.
We had a woman who was with us who may or may not have smoked some of my weed and She was one of the crew and may or may not have been ready for some of my weed and blacked out and actually fainted on the street.
We had to catch her.
We were all sitting around.
I'm like, you guys want to get high?
Maybe.
Allegedly I said that.
We went outside and she literally lost consciousness.
The fireman came and When the firemen came over, first of all, they could have been more friendly, and, you know, they were really nice to her and everything, but the amount of love the firemen were getting from people on the street, like, waving to them, honking at them, you know, like, yelling, shouting nice things across the street, you know?
Somebody yelled something about, you know, I love first responders, or something along those lines, and they waved to them, and there was, like, this feeling of appreciation and camaraderie.
Yeah, I mean, it's real life, and that's the thing, man.
We can go through an entire lifetime without ever really experiencing real life.
We don't see death.
I mean, I don't know how many dead bodies you've seen, but, you know, I think my grandmother is the only dead body I ever saw, and I had to kiss her on the fucking lips, which was pretty creepy.
I mean, it's really cool because, you know, the thing is we come to these moments in our lives where we have to face death and we get some creepy dude in a bad suit, you know, selling us overpriced.
By the way, what's going on with a $12,000 hermetically sealed stainless steel coffin?
Joey Diaz has a good line on that because one of his buddies that he went to school with, his family owned a funeral parlor and they were just pretty open about what a rip-off it is and how they scam you and how they get you in a period where you're in great grief and they say, you know, wouldn't you like to represent your family in a very beautiful way and we can offer this fantastic walnut line coffin.
Yeah, there's a lot of weird things like that where something becomes a part of the system, and even though it's illogical, it just remains because it's a tradition.
Well, the layout of the keyboard, the placement of the letters, is the way it is because of frequency of use.
And so they tried to space the letters out so that you wouldn't hit two letters that were next to each other where the arm came up on the typewriter so that the arms would tangle.
So they tried to make it so that The arms that came up would be spaced out, so they laid out the keyboard that way.
So it's a very inefficient way to have a keyboard because it's based upon the demands of a machine that no longer exists.
It's not based upon ease of use.
Which, I mean, really, that's a metaphor for society in general, is what I've been saying the whole time, you know?
Like, the interests of the corporation, the interests of these institutions, supersede the interest of the person.
So people always say to me when I get into these arguments about human nature, like, yeah, but we're people, we can decide, you know, we can free will, yada, yada, yada.
But, you know, you do want a shoe that's more or less shaped like a foot.
Again, what I pretty much did in that job was translate from bad English to better English.
Because they had someone else who would, like, do the rough translation, and then they'd email me the documents, and I just had to go through and clean it up.
And they're funny things like, for example, in German, tail, the word tail refers to penis.
So I remember one of the first ones I was translating, it was like for some hardcore porn mag, you know?
It's what Joseph Campbell called the hero with a thousand faces, right?
It's a guy born in southern Spain, goes on a quest, goes through northern Africa, meets all these characters, and they give him challenges and tests and things, and then he goes through the tests and he goes back home and he finds the treasure he was looking for all the time, right?
The Odyssey.
It's the same story.
It's not a good book.
I'm not recommending it.
It just sold more books than any book since the Bible.
And, you know, you can get jobs because when the fish come in, they have to process them, like, fast, because they're rotting, right?
So the fish come in, they go through this—they come off the boats, they go through this machine, this big, clanking, you know, machine that they call the chink.
And I thought it was called the chink because it, like, you know, chink, chink, chink, chink, chink, chink.
And one day I asked one of the foremen, and he said, oh, no, it's called the chink because Chinese used to do that job.
Yeah.
And the job was to rip off the head and get as much of the guts as possible.
So then the fish go onto these conveyor belts and they come down the slime line.
And that's where I was.
I was a slime monkey the first year.
So you stand there.
It's piping, cold water spraying on a cutting board.
You're wearing rain gear.
Ear plugs because it's so loud.
You got a knife in your hand, gloves, and you're just gutting the fish all day.
You're getting what the chink missed.
Sometimes it missed everything, so you have to take off the head, the fins, get the guts, get the bloodline off the spine and the back.
And then you put it on, you put all that guts, all that stuff into a chute, which I later learned goes into tanks that are sold to pharmaceutical companies.
Because the fat from the internal organs and the head of the salmon is the base for a lot of cosmetics.
And then the other, the fish, assuming the fish is in decent condition, goes onto another conveyor belt and then it goes down into the canning section where it's chopped.
And placed in these cans, so it's just chopped right through.
But it's so romantic that you actually, like, engineered that.
You know, a lot of people don't, you know, they say that maybe they have a rich, crazy life, but it's because they were an alcoholic and they were running from the law.
But with you, like, you made a conscious decision to have this adventure.
And if you're thinking about breaking up with your relationship, it'll push you over the edge.
I'll tell you that.
It'll give you that extra push you might need if you're in a bad one to be free and to go fucking with no underwear in Alaska.
Hey!
We will see you tonight.
If you want to come down, it'll be tonight as Red Band, Matt Fultron, Sam Tripoli, Brian Callen, Dom Herrera.
We're going to have a hell of a show.
It was supposed to be Greg Fitzsimmons, but unfortunately he has to pick up his mom at the airport.
But Greg will be here on the podcast this Friday.
So we should have a good time as well.
And Greg has a new special out that I listened to on the way home from the Irvine Improv a couple of months ago.
And it's really fucking funny.
Really good stuff.
So we will see you soon, my friends.
Mad love to all of you.
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