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Oct. 29, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #278 - Ari Shaffir
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ari shaffir
33:51
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brian redban
07:05
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
So we're totally back, right?
unidentified
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joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, we had technological difficulties. - Probably.
Probably due to aliens invading our system.
Or CIA and FBI. If you are FBI, I just want to say I love your work.
You guys do some great shit.
Don't get us wrong.
We're not enemies of the state.
We certainly are not mad at you.
ari shaffir
Did you see Argo?
Was that the FBI? No.
joe rogan
We're not mad at any...
What we're mad at ultimately is that we're in a broke system.
Not the people that are in the broke system that are just trying to make a living.
I'm the last person that would be upset at the people that are...
I think human nature, when you're inside of a situation, like when you have the kind of ultimate control of the people that are in the head of a government, anybody that would pass something like the National Defense Authorization Act or anybody that would...
That's like you've gotten to this incredible position of ultimate control.
You can do some really ridiculous shit.
I feel bad for people to get to that spot.
ari shaffir
I think everyone is.
I think I'd fuck up too.
If I could see I could start furrowing off money just to get a retirement plan for myself, I would just do it.
brian redban
By the way, that's Ari Shafir.
joe rogan
That's Ari Shafir.
Everybody knows it's Ari Shafir.
It says it on the iTunes things.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are we supposed to be professional now?
Dude, I've gone fucking hours in without introducing anybody.
ari shaffir
You're like, who is this?
joe rogan
I should say powerful Ari Shafir, former number one on iTunes, bitches.
Respect.
How many weeks were you number one?
ari shaffir
A full week.
joe rogan
A full fucking week.
Suck it.
All you silly bitches, suck it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was great.
joe rogan
That's validation.
ari shaffir
Yeah, fuck yes.
I just thought it would sell okay.
joe rogan
One of the coolest things about podcasting is that because of this network of podcasts that we've all put together...
We've all gotten to this point now where everybody is getting recognized for their stuff.
Duncan's doing these shows where he's fucking selling out like every weekend.
There are these crazy, ridiculous shows he's doing like every weekend.
He's packing places.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's amazing.
joe rogan
And the club owners don't know what the fuck is going on.
ari shaffir
They don't get it.
They're like, wait.
joe rogan
Like, what's happening?
Who are all these freaks?
Like, all these freaks with cats on their shirts.
ari shaffir
And they're good drinkers and good tippers.
joe rogan
They're nice people.
And they're friendly.
ari shaffir
Cats and weird Burt Kreischer propaganda.
joe rogan
Yeah, Burt Kreischer.
Every show.
I've never been to a show that didn't have a Burt Kreischer t-shirt.
Really, every show we go to has a Burt Kreischer t-shirt.
ari shaffir
I got an idea with one of those, either Tom or Christina or Duncan or somebody, that they were like, all these people go to see all of us.
So they should offer like a...
Buy four, get the next one half price, or whatever it is.
Death Squad members.
If you go buy a ticket for Duncan and Ari and Tom Segura, then Callan is this much, or whatever it is.
Or get a package and split it up.
joe rogan
I guess that would make sense, except someone would have to organize that shit.
You know it ain't gonna be you.
So you're the one with these grandiose plans.
I mean, we could barely get these fucking podcasts out.
I mean, yeah, for folks asking, we're still in the middle of building this studio.
It just takes time.
It takes time to put everything together.
ari shaffir
Get Mexican labor!
joe rogan
Closer next week than this week.
But it's going to be cool when it's all done.
It's going to be fun.
It's a sweet setup.
ari shaffir
But yeah, man, it is cool that all this stuff is taking off.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's beautiful to hear.
Joey Diaz, his podcast is always in the top ten of iTunes now.
He's killing them on the road.
ari shaffir
In the morning, it does at 5 a.m.
I'm living in sleep for two hours.
brian redban
Sounds like such a bad idea.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
ari shaffir
He always woke up that early.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's an animal.
He's the one guy, like whenever I do Kevin and Bean, I have to be up at like 7 o'clock in the morning.
I always call him.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you know he'll be awake.
joe rogan
Yeah, we go have breakfast together.
We've had breakfast together in Hollywood a gang of times.
ari shaffir
He used to call me sometimes when he woke up a little too early and he would call me at like 4.15 just to see.
And I'd be like, hello?
And he just started laughing.
He's like, you're still up!
joe rogan
Breakfast in Hollywood is a weird thing, man.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's good there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good.
There's a bunch of good places.
The Griddle, what is that called?
ari shaffir
The Griddle, yeah.
joe rogan
But what's weird is the people that you run into.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
It's the weird, that vibe.
ari shaffir
Who's up that early?
joe rogan
Just the Hollywood morning vibe.
Hollywood is such a strange fucking place.
Yeah, the percentage of fakers is super high.
You feel that in the air, you know?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're like, what?
joe rogan
You feel like a lack of authenticity.
ari shaffir
You sound like you're bullshitting me for no reason.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Just ask you what time it is.
Just give me a story.
joe rogan
It's so hard to deal with people, isn't it, Ari?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Diaz and I, by the way, are doing the House of Blues in Chicago.
unidentified
Powerful.
joe rogan
When is this happening?
ari shaffir
November 8th.
joe rogan
Powerful November 8th.
House of Blues in Chicago.
ari shaffir
We're going to pack the fucking House of Blues in Chicago.
joe rogan
That's going to be fun, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's going to be an event when people are driving in for that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that sounds sick.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Ari Shafir, what is it like, man?
Just a few years ago, you were in this crazy struggle situation.
ari shaffir
It's the best!
It's so much better!
You just get to go to these places and do your stand-up.
That's all I wanted to do.
That's all I wanted to do.
Just go and tell the jokes I prepared.
And no one would let me.
You would let me.
Nobody else would let me.
I get to the end of a week, I'm like, so, that was pretty good, right?
I mean, you saw that was really, do you think I can come back one day?
Next to no money?
Can I please?
And they're like, yeah, nah.
I'm like, ah!
joe rogan
Yeah, they didn't have faith.
ari shaffir
It's the greatest.
joe rogan
I'm out.
ari shaffir
They've heard my album.
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
It's like water seeks its own level eventually.
And if you had all this going on, if you were doing a podcast and everybody would come to see you and you weren't funny, it wouldn't be happening the way it's happening.
It's happening because of hard work.
It's like you're in this position.
It's like the perfect time for you because your act is really strong now.
ari shaffir
Somebody pointed this out too.
joe rogan
Got a lot of new shit.
ari shaffir
This is a weird thing with a lot of podcast people.
that right because of that the comics who do sort of an honest style of comedy just an open and honest style It's like there's a premium put on that now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And so they've already been doing it.
So it's like, oh, good for you.
You're right at the right time.
joe rogan
You're good.
Yeah, because it's very hard to do that style of comedy if that's not what you've been doing.
If you've been doing a sort of contrived bullshit act, it's very tough to drop that and be real.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and early on, that's what everybody does.
It's just like, here's a joke I wrote, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, you ever go back and listen to some of your early shit?
ari shaffir
I put one up for Shits and Giggles once, like an early, early set.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then I was like, this is just too...
No, someone's going to see this and think this is me.
This is just, no.
I'm taking this down.
It's so bad.
joe rogan
It's fucking hard, man.
ari shaffir
And then the worst, too, is people were writing, like, so funny.
And I'm like, ugh, you're wrong.
You're way wrong.
What have you liked?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody thinks they can do it, though.
Everybody that's got any sort of confidence, there's always that question, man, I've been thinking about doing stand-up.
Prepare some stuff, tell me what you think, and they'll go over the stuff with you and shit.
ari shaffir
I can't express to you how terrible that sounds.
I don't want to dissuade you, but fuck, man.
joe rogan
I go, okay, who the fuck knows?
They might be able to do it.
ari shaffir
But realistically, if I can give you an honest answer without hurting anyone's feelings, you would have to tell them, look, you've just started this, so of course you're going to be god-awful.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's hard for people to accept, though, especially smart people.
Smart people think that, yeah, you know what, though, man?
I know stand-up.
I listen to it.
I've watched it on TV before.
I think I have an idea how to do it.
I'm just going to bypass all that shit.
ari shaffir
Dude, you didn't even get that with fucking farming.
I'm going to tell you how to plant a tomato 10 years in.
You'll be way better at it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's with everything.
But stand-up is...
What people don't understand when they're watching it is that there's a hypnosis going on.
It's not as simple as someone saying something and you're reacting to that.
There's a little ride that a stand-up takes you on.
When someone's good and you watch them, to this day, you get caught up in their groove and you're tuned into them.
There's an exchange going on that...
It's not as simple as everybody wants to make it seem.
You say something funny, ha ha ha, this person laughs.
ari shaffir
It's not that simple.
That's why when you say Tosh does something wrong by making a rape joke, you weren't there.
You don't know about the whole situation he's set up for the last however long.
He's built his crowd into something where now he can do what he wants.
Your god shit, I remember early on, you were like, I can't open with that.
I've tried, it won't work.
You've got to give him 40 minutes of calm down before you can hit him with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, like the whole thing that I used to do on Noah's Ark.
ari shaffir
Noah's Ark, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, people would get upset, which is hilarious.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so you have to get them on your side first.
And if you didn't, they'd be like, it's just not funny.
joe rogan
Well, it's also then, people didn't know what to expect.
They would come to one of my shows, and they would think they were going to get the guy from Fear Factor.
That's all my fault, really.
By hoeing it up, I'm doing shit like Fear Factor and taking money for those silly shows.
ari shaffir
Were you ever like...
joe rogan
You set out a bad precedent.
ari shaffir
Were you ever like this, they had a cut, where you're like, but fear is...
Not a factor for you.
joe rogan
No, it's never hard to do.
I would never be so pompous to pretend that it's actually difficult to do.
It's still an amazing job.
ari shaffir
When did you start getting high while you were doing it?
Season 2. Season 2. So you knew it was coming back, the ratings were high.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I just started getting high around when Season 1 happened, but I didn't get high at work.
See, I know what to get high at and what not to get high at.
ari shaffir
You went from not smoking at all to smoking at work within a year?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow, that's a big jump.
joe rogan
I was like, this is fun.
ari shaffir
That skipped a bunch of years.
joe rogan
Yeah, I right away went to feeling very comfortable with it, going on stage with it high.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, right away, I recognized that this is like some crazy truth serum.
Like, it's not, it's another thing.
It's not as simple as it seems.
You look at marijuana, oh, these guys are getting high, and you're just escaping reality.
You're actually doing the exact opposite of escaping reality.
ari shaffir
You're seeing reality, you're just thinking for what it is.
joe rogan
Diving into it with the lights on as bright as possible.
There's nothing escape about getting high.
That's what people don't understand.
That's not what you're looking for, especially when you're smoking sativas, which is another problem.
People don't know that there's two completely different effects, that two completely different types of marijuana have.
ari shaffir
I feel like telling that to people when they say, I'm sure you do too, when they say like, oh, I don't like weed.
I'm like, I don't want to insult you, but like, what weed have you had?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't really know what you're talking about.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and to people that say that it makes you, oh, it makes me sleepy.
Well, some weed can do that.
ari shaffir
Let me give you some other weed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Look, this guy was sleeping at a party and somebody drew a deskwad logo on it.
unidentified
Oh my god.
That is hilarious.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, how much did they finger this guy's ass?
That is hilarious, dude.
They did the deskwad cat on this guy's ass.
That's amazing.
ari shaffir
I had that once in Israel.
joe rogan
And they all signed their names all over it.
Look, people signed names all over it.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Just signing him.
joe rogan
That's great.
That's amazing.
ari shaffir
I had a picture of me in Israel, my fight when I got there because the drinking age is 18. And I was drunk, barf in a sink, like leaned over it.
Doritos in my ear and my nose.
My friends had put all over me and toothpaste drawn on me.
And that picture got back to my mom.
I don't know how it got back there.
unidentified
Oh my God.
ari shaffir
And they were so fucking embarrassed by it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
How hammered were you that they touched you like that?
ari shaffir
We didn't know limits.
Tequila slammers.
You ever heard of a tequila slammer?
unidentified
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
You get the shittiest tequila, put a little Sprite in it in one of those triple shot glasses.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You just slam it and then just drink it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to learn limits, huh?
ari shaffir
You just keep drinking until you're throwing up.
Like literally the last shot is going down.
You're like, wait, hold it, hold it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem with drinking.
You know, that's something we could use drinking shamans.
We really could, you know?
I mean, there's shamans for ayahuasca.
ari shaffir
Here's the deal.
Why don't they teach you about it in schools?
You're gonna get into it, but they still don't bother teaching you?
joe rogan
Well, let's just pretend.
Like abstinence is the best policy.
We should promote abstinence.
Why would you do that?
ari shaffir
Why would you ignore what's inevitably going to happen?
On that trip we went into, that second semester of senior year, we all went there.
I was talking to one of my friends about it.
Like, why wouldn't they tell us about drinking?
joe rogan
Please.
People are going to fuck, too.
Okay?
They're going to fuck and they're going to drink.
You know why?
Because it's fun!
Okay?
People are going to fuck and people are going to drink.
Why don't they talk about that?
ari shaffir
You can't be against educating people about condoms if you've ever seen an episode of 16 and Pregnant.
You're no longer against condoms.
You've got to teach these people.
joe rogan
There should be a better way than condoms.
There should be a really effective way.
Somebody can give you a shot.
brian redban
Yeah, it's called abortions.
joe rogan
Dude, if you have had an abortion with a chick or gone where a girl's had an abortion, you know what that's like.
brian redban
No, but if they make it good with lasers, like, bam, you're done.
You just got aborted.
Next.
Bam, you got aborted.
ari shaffir
If I could take a shot, I'd be like, you'd be sterile for the next two days.
Like, yeah.
What are the side effects?
brian redban
I know this girl that's on something that she gets a shot or something that lasts like four years.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
What's it called?
ari shaffir
The Nuva ring?
brian redban
Yeah, she's like a total cum dumpster because of that because you can do whatever you want.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, she's gone.
So they have like four periods a year.
Is that one of those?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's like inside.
brian redban
It's four years.
Why doesn't every girl have one?
ari shaffir
Same thing with girls on fucking birth controls.
Same thing with weed where it's like, have you had all of them?
Because there's new types now.
joe rogan
But it's kind of creepy, though, that you're pumping chemicals in your body like that.
You're tricking your body into thinking that it's pregnant.
I mean, I don't know.
What is the long-term effects of tricking your body into thinking that it's pregnant?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is that okay?
brian redban
Delicious pussy?
I don't know.
joe rogan
No worry about baby?
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Have them negative effects more than fucking having to work a second job at the docks.
joe rogan
But those two things that people can't control when they're young is sex and alcohol.
Those are two things that you just...
Both of them are completely overwhelming for you.
ari shaffir
Dude, I saw one of those kids talking.
And he was just some nerd who never got laid.
Some fat Mexican who never got laid.
And he was just like, no, I love you.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
And he was just like, you don't know anything about anything.
And then a year later he won't talk to her.
And they're just figuring out who's going to raise the baby.
It's just like, you don't know anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, being a child and having a kid is really fucked up.
It's fucked up for everybody.
It's fucked up for the kid, too.
It's a mess.
But then the question becomes, when are you supposed to prevent it?
After the fact or before the fact?
And if after the fact, is it just you have to just accept it?
Or can you have an abortion?
ari shaffir
Of course we can have an abortion.
joe rogan
Of course you can.
ari shaffir
Living in a medical age.
joe rogan
Okay, but to what age?
How old can the fetus be?
ari shaffir
Nine months.
What do you think?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
ari shaffir
What do you think, Brian?
joe rogan
What I do think, though, is that it's not as simple as everybody likes to say.
ari shaffir
No, it's killing a baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because we're adults and we're making decisions and we don't want to make this life yet.
joe rogan
That's deep.
That's deep.
That's a heavy decision.
You know?
It really is.
ari shaffir
That's what we put on human life.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Before it comes out.
joe rogan
When it comes to a certain level, it's like when it's a bunch of cells, when it's like 30 cells, then it doesn't seem real.
Then it seems like you'd be able to get rid of it and not even feel bad.
Yeah.
But at what point in time?
How easy is it?
brian redban
They just need to market it better.
You know, if it was like a really good marketing.
But abortion?
joe rogan
Yeah, if they had really good marketing.
brian redban
It's really not so bad.
You know, like a clever person like Betty White marketed it for you.
ari shaffir
I do like the marketing techniques they have is because the pro-life and pro-choice, when you think about just their names, they're not at odds.
They're both pro-choices and they're both pro-life.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that funny?
Pro-choice.
That's a funny way of putting it.
ari shaffir
Because otherwise it's pro-life or pro-death or pro-choice or anti-choice.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pro-life or pro-choice.
Those aren't opposites.
Yeah, it's one aspect of the subject.
What choice are you making?
Hold on.
You can't just call it a choice.
It's pro-choice.
Everybody's fucking pro-choice.
It's just my choice is different than your choice.
ari shaffir
Exactly.
joe rogan
That is a creepy thing, though, the idea that people would be anti-choice.
That's why when someone calls themselves pro-choice, it sets you up to fail when you're competing against them.
They're saying they're pro-choice.
If they just were the pro-baby-killing party?
ari shaffir
Yeah, who does that?
That's what I'm in favor of.
joe rogan
That's not going to make you money.
ari shaffir
I talk to girls before I have sex sometimes, and I'm like, you know, what have you had, and how do you feel about abortion?
joe rogan
Whoa.
It's a heavy conversation.
ari shaffir
I'd just like to do it right away.
joe rogan
Ari's mercenary about it.
ari shaffir
I don't want to fucking get in that thing where you just, oh, I didn't know that she would never have an abortion if anything happened.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Just because I wouldn't bother asking, just saying the words once.
It's a little uncomfortable, so I'm going to raise some kid I don't want for fucking 10 years or however long you have to.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy?
ari shaffir
I just ask.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that you're playing like when you're not trying to have a baby with a chick and you're having sex with her.
ari shaffir
Trying not to.
joe rogan
You're playing like this game of trickery with nature.
Nature's only rewarding you with those awesome feelings because that's how you make humans.
And imagine how good it feels if you're not even masturbating.
If you're not masturbating and you're just a person and neither one of you ever masturbates and you get together naked and you wind up fucking like, oh my god, of course you're going to come inside her.
Of course she's going to make a person.
That's how they rocked it, caveman days.
ari shaffir
You wouldn't even think.
You were just like, he keeps feeling good.
joe rogan
I feel so good.
Don't stop this.
Why would they stop?
They would never stop.
It was a movie where people went, oh wait a minute, babies come out, pull out!
unidentified
No, no, no!
joe rogan
And they had to figure out what makes the baby part.
ari shaffir
Ever that Louie bit about it?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
About if animals had to watch humans, like Animal Planet version of humans, they'd be like, see this mating, and then they'd pull out and shoot it on the floor or something.
They'd be like, what?
You were so close!
What are you doing?
You were right there!
joe rogan
That's funny.
ari shaffir
I used to tell my friends in college when I was still a virgin, That masturbation was the same as sex.
And they were like, Ari, you're wrong.
I'm like, no, you guys are idiots.
It's the same thing that's happening physically to your genitalia.
How could it feel better?
It's the same act.
And they were like, you just don't get it.
joe rogan
How could you think that your hand could be as good as a pussy?
ari shaffir
Because you coming would be the same.
That's you coming as you coming.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's interesting.
Isn't it funny that that's not the case?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's not at all the case.
joe rogan
Like when you're really into a chick and she's really sexy.
Especially when you're a little drunk and you love each other and you come.
unidentified
Oh!
Golly!
Golly!
brian redban
Boom!
joe rogan
Boom!
ari shaffir
It feels so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
brian redban
Sweet corn in the morning.
joe rogan
It's supposed to be to make you make people.
That's really what it is.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's why it feels so good.
You can't even think straight.
joe rogan
It's a biological trick.
It's a wonderful one.
ari shaffir
I'll just wipe off the tip and put it back in.
joe rogan
It's made to perpetuate the species.
ari shaffir
If you had to think about that with a straight mind, wiping off the tip and putting it back in would not be a viable option.
joe rogan
How about this one?
Just let me rub it on the outside.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that ever taking place ever in the history of the human race?
ari shaffir
El Caco!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What happened to El Caco?
joe rogan
See, that was on one of my CDs.
That was on one of my CDs.
Me llamo El Caco.
unidentified
Okay, I don't put it in, I just rub it on the outside.
ari shaffir
That's the best Spanish accent I've ever done right there.
I've never been that on.
joe rogan
Me llamo El Caco.
That's right, I forgot about that.
unidentified
El Caco!
ari shaffir
Dude, working at the store as a fucking doorman and cover booth guy just helps you so much.
Watch all these fucking great comics.
And you just watch them and learn their technique and shit.
joe rogan
You get to see them do the same jokes a lot too, which is interesting as a guy learning how to do it.
Because everybody wants to think as an audience member that a person on stage saying something, that's the first time they've ever said it.
You really can't do that every time.
I mean, you kind of can, but it won't be as good, trust me.
It's better if we write stuff out.
It's better if we practice things a few times.
It's better if you get it out.
There's certain bits, no.
There's certain bits where right out of the gate, they're awesome.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
But you can't guarantee when those are coming and when they're not.
ari shaffir
There's some dude in Indianapolis that came back to my show a second time, because he came one night, then he got my album, which was different, Revenge for the Holocaust, available on iTunes.
joe rogan
Revenge for the Holocaust, ladies and gentlemen, available on iTunes.
ari shaffir
iTunes, Amazon.
But he was like, oh, it's different.
So I figured I'd come back again and see another show.
And he sat up front, and I couldn't even look.
He was on my right.
I did my whole act from straight to left.
I couldn't even look over there.
unidentified
Oh, no!
ari shaffir
I was like, dude, you shouldn't come back.
And he was like, it's alright.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had the same jokes.
That's so creepy.
It's a mind fog.
ari shaffir
I feel so fake!
joe rogan
Yeah, but you gotta get over that, son.
You are fake.
You're a big fat faker.
You didn't just think of something when you were up there.
ari shaffir
Don't come two days in a row.
joe rogan
You worked on it every night for six months.
I just realized.
No, you didn't, you fucking lying prick.
brian redban
The Deskwad Ohio guys, they go to both shows.
They'll go to like the 7 o'clock show and the 9 o'clock show.
So it's just like, ah, you guys.
joe rogan
It becomes a bit of a gay circle jerk at a certain point.
ari shaffir
But at some point I sort of get it where it's like you can see like some band like two times in a row.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh dude, I went to see Kinison more than once in a row.
I went to see Bill Hicks twice in a row.
I saw a bunch of guys back in the day where I saw the same act more than once.
ari shaffir
Joe Lozon used to come to our shows when we did Night of the Way in shows.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
ari shaffir
And there was this joke I used to make about Jiu Jitsu.
I guess I can do it now.
I never do it anymore.
But the way jujitsu was invented was some Brazilian guy came home early from work one day and found his wife did not have dinner ready for him.
So he's choking her because of that fucking choking the life out of her.
And the girl's father comes in because they all live in the same fucking hut in Brazil.
And he goes, what are you doing?
You're doing it wrong.
You got to fucking put hooks in and then come from behind.
And that's how jiu-jitsu was invented.
That's my theory.
But Joe Loza used to love that joke.
And I was like, you've seen it though.
And he goes, that theory sucks.
I was like, I haven't done any research on it.
But he goes, no, I like seeing it slightly different.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
If you're a fan of stand-up, then I get that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's certain guys that had jokes that I would call out for.
Like when Holtzman was on stage.
How's your gay son?
We would always do that.
ari shaffir
Because you know we drive into a rage.
joe rogan
He would do this joke about his son.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
brian redban
I miss that dude.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a fucking funny guy.
brian redban
I never see him at the store anymore, man.
ari shaffir
No, he's never there.
Alright, I'll admit it.
My son's a homosexual.
brian redban
Brody's my new favorite to co-op.
Just hearing his jokes.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, we used to do that with Brody.
brian redban
He's been doing hour and ten minute sets the other day.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
He's been doing really long sets now.
ari shaffir
He closes out the main room show on Saturdays.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
brian redban
And they all stay.
The whole audience stays.
joe rogan
I'm doing the Laugh Factory tomorrow night with Tom Herrera.
I haven't done the Laugh Factory in decades.
ari shaffir
Probably 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, I haven't done it in forever.
But I'm going to do it tomorrow night.
I think it's like an 8 o'clock show, but I go on at like 9-ish, somewhere around 9, 9.30, something like that.
brian redban
Daddy Diaz just got back from Long Beach.
joe rogan
He said he loved it.
brian redban
Yeah, we should all go there sometime.
ari shaffir
It's too big.
You really got to fill it up.
I would like to see what it was like full, but it's a rock venue.
brian redban
It's a cool area because I've stayed at the hotel a few times.
ari shaffir
Here's how big it is.
When they introduce you, by the time you can get to the mic, it feels uncomfortable in that time.
We're like, oh, I should be talking now.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's such a long walk to the mic.
joe rogan
Is it like a theater?
ari shaffir
It was a fucking old rock place with a big stage.
joe rogan
So like 600 people, maybe?
ari shaffir
Yeah, something like that.
joe rogan
Wow.
So, as big as Phoenix?
The Stand Up, Laugh, and Phoenix?
ari shaffir
It's bigger than that.
Really?
Just because it's more stage room?
joe rogan
Stand Up, Laugh, and Phoenix is 600 seats, right?
ari shaffir
650, yeah.
joe rogan
650?
It's bigger than 650. Wow!
ari shaffir
Well, the scope of it is bigger anyway.
joe rogan
Oh, I see what you're saying.
ari shaffir
There might be more room to the wall and stuff.
brian redban
It's right next to so many cool stores and restaurants.
joe rogan
That stand-up live is the most intimate 600-seat room you could get.
Because even though it was 600 seats, it felt like a regular club.
ari shaffir
It still runs like a club that just keeps going.
joe rogan
Yeah, it felt like once we worked out.
If you came, ladies and gentlemen, the first show, there was a problem with the microphone.
brian redban
Yeah, the monitor.
There was no monitor, so you couldn't hear yourself.
joe rogan
There's a rider somehow.
I have a rider that I didn't know.
ari shaffir
I always have weird shit on there.
joe rogan
Yeah, and one of the things on is that I have to have a wireless mic.
I don't need a fucking wireless mic.
ari shaffir
Three wireless mics.
You know what it is?
joe rogan
I don't know why it's in there.
ari shaffir
I know.
It's for when you do like theaters, like the Moore Theater in Seattle or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was like, just to make sure you have everything right.
We need them.
Because they don't know sometimes with stand-up.
joe rogan
But even then, I don't need a wireless one.
ari shaffir
No, yeah.
brian redban
Kevin James.
You don't need all the bologna and stuff.
joe rogan
I meant Kevin James' rider.
He gets red wine and white wine.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's why I was like, why is there white wine in here?
Bring me a Heineken.
brian redban
It's so weird.
joe rogan
Heineken's usually there, too.
But riders are weird, man.
San Francisco this weekend.
Brian's coming with me.
ari shaffir
What are you doing?
joe rogan
Greg Fitzsimmons is coming as well.
Should be a lot of fun.
We're doing the Knob Hill Masonic Center.
We're going to do that on Friday night.
And then Seattle on Saturday night.
The Moore Theater.
The Moore Theater is sold out.
ari shaffir
That's a really good room.
joe rogan
But there's still some tickets left for the Knob Hill show.
So that's San Francisco Friday night.
Greg Fitzsimmons, who's fucking hilarious.
If you've never seen Greg Fitzsimmons, you stand up.
Greg and I started out together, like, literally like a week apart from each other, way back in 1988. And I've been friends with him ever since.
He's a fucking hilarious stand-up.
Like, he's really fucking good.
So I'm really excited to give you guys a fun show.
And if you haven't seen me there for a while, I got a lot of new shit, so...
It's going to be real fun.
So, Knob Hill, Masonic Center, Friday night, and then the Moore Theater Saturday night.
I think the Moore sold out, though.
ari shaffir
How big is Knob Hill?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's like a couple thousand seats.
ari shaffir
Wow.
That should be cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
brian redban
Can't wait to see all the Asians.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
That's a massive show.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I just was talking to him and I just thought, like, maybe it would be cool if Greg would come with me on the road and do a couple gigs here and there.
He's so solid, too.
And I would love for people to see him, you know, people on all these shows to see him, you know.
I think one of the coolest things about doing this podcast and doing all these shows is that we can all sort of blow each other up.
We can all show everybody who Brian Callen is.
unidentified
Show everybody who Duncan is and you are.
ari shaffir
Making it, there's only a certain size the pie is, and everyone needs a slice.
But now there's just an unlimited pie.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can have your own pie factory.
We all have our own pie factories.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
It's a really interesting thing, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So tell me about this hunting thing.
joe rogan
So, yeah.
So I went hunting this week.
ari shaffir
Who'd you go with?
With Callan?
joe rogan
Brian Callan and this dude named Steve Rinella.
brian redban
Was this a cougar hunt?
unidentified
How dare you.
ari shaffir
Bazinga!
joe rogan
How dare you, Brian.
That's the kind of hunts Brian understands.
He knows how to track that prey.
He walks in all drunk and limping.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he told me, he was like, where's Rogan?
He was like, Rogan's in Minnesota, fucking, or whatever.
joe rogan
Montana.
ari shaffir
Montana, hunting.
joe rogan
When hunting in Montana, this dude, Steve Rinella, I became a fan of his show.
He had a show on the Travel Channel called The Wild Within.
He's an author.
He knows a lot about the history of the Wild West, and that's one of the coolest things about The Weeknd, is getting to talk to him about Wild West stories and shit.
Oh, dude, he knows everything.
He knows all the different incidents between the Indians and the white men, the white men breaking the treaties, and the wars that took place.
We were camping on the Missouri River where Lewis and Clark camped.
That's where we camped.
And we did all our travel by canoe or by hiking.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was fucking intense.
ari shaffir
So when you hiked by the Missouri River, was there anyone else around?
joe rogan
We saw in the five days we were there, we traveled 40 plus miles down the Missouri River.
And in all that time, we saw three other boats.
ari shaffir
Whoa!
And even when you got off and was like walking around and stuff?
joe rogan
Well, once we got out at the very end, we were in a place where there was a bridge and there was cars and traffic and stuff like that.
No, but over those five days.
Over those five days, we saw nothing but canoes.
We saw three or four canoes.
It was mostly just us.
And we had a satellite phone in case we had an emergency.
And what we did was we pulled in.
We got there on Monday.
And on Monday, we got in a plane.
Or we got in a boat, rather.
Rode down the river.
What the fuck am I talking about?
Got on the plane to get there.
We had to drive two hours from Billings to the river, to the Missouri River.
Billings, Montana is a very small place, but a very nice, cool, small town.
ari shaffir
Try and call up a map.
unidentified
Map!
Map!
joe rogan
From there, we drove two and a half hours to the river.
The mayor?
ari shaffir
What did you say?
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
Did you say the mayor?
joe rogan
No.
No.
I said we drove to the river.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
We drove to the river, and then once we...
He's too high for my full fucking story.
He asked for a story and he's too high to pay attention.
brian redban
Did he just ask, did you drive the river?
joe rogan
No, he said the mayor.
Did you say the mayor?
ari shaffir
I thought he said the word mayor.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling a fucking important life-changing story and you cunts are ruining my timing with every fucking breath out of your shit-spewing mouths.
I'm trying to tell you about a beautiful life-changing experience.
So we're on this river.
The first night we get there, it's pouring rain.
We sleep in tents.
It's fucking freezing outside.
I mean, it's really cold, like 33, 34 degrees.
Just cold enough so it doesn't snow, but the rain comes down.
It's just ridiculously miserable.
Then we get up in the morning.
ari shaffir
Do you have warmers or anything?
joe rogan
No, you just sleep in bags.
brian redban
Were you at that night like, this was a bad idea?
ari shaffir
No part of you?
joe rogan
No, man, I was committed.
I was 100% committed.
I was like, look, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this the right way.
What this guy Rinella believes in is what's called a fair chase hunt.
And what that means is like, there's certain people that have like, they have Oh, that doesn't seem fair.
Exactly.
unidentified
Just trick them.
brian redban
Murder.
joe rogan
I mean, not just trick them.
I mean, it's like the ultimate setup.
ari shaffir
May as well just get your food at the supermarket.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
And if that's how you were approaching it, I can understand that.
Like, say if you lived on that farm and that's how you...
ari shaffir
Then we eat deer every day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, if we had...
That's actually smart.
Because it's all...
ari shaffir
If you were Swiss from the Robinson.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a lot smarter than going hunting for it.
You should control your environment better.
You need that food.
It's not like you can do it as a sport.
But we went and did everything the hard way.
We hiked every morning for about three miles over this mountain, these hills that were made out of clay.
That used to be the Great Inland Western Sea.
Great Western Inland Sea?
Great Western Inland Sea.
And during the Jurassic period, there was fucking dinosaurs there and there was fossilized...
It was a shallow, warm water ocean where Montana is.
So when you're walking around there, you find fossilized shells.
Like in the strata, when things break off, they also find buffalo skulls all the time in the strata.
ari shaffir
What does strata mean?
joe rogan
You know how the earth has layers to it?
Those layers, if you cut a slice through the earth, those layers represent eras.
You can tell by how far it goes down, by whatever measurements you made, how many thousands, millions of years it was.
ari shaffir
You saw a place that cut out and stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, you see fossilized shells on the ground.
It's called the Badlands.
It's really intimidating.
It's a very, very intimidating place.
Because there's this river, and then there's these fucking mountains that are covered with this clay shit, and you're trying to walk in it.
You're sliding all over the place.
It's really difficult to get a footing.
It's essentially silt.
ari shaffir
Silt, yeah.
joe rogan
Silt from the bottom of the ocean.
It's covered this whole thing.
And it freezes up, and then it gets wet.
And it gets wet, it becomes muck, and then it freezes up again.
So when it's hard, you can walk on it no problem.
But when it becomes wet, it's just a fucking crazy nightmare.
So we were climbing these wet hills of this shit.
And it's exhausting.
I mean, really exhausting.
And you do that for several hours in the morning.
And then we would go and row.
Row the canoes downriver for several miles.
And then once we would get out, then we would go and hike for several more miles.
ari shaffir
And look for deer.
joe rogan
You pull up your canoe.
You set camp.
And then you go and look for deer again.
ari shaffir
Are there any bears or predators there?
joe rogan
Predators, we saw mountain lions shit.
ari shaffir
And do they attack humans a lot?
joe rogan
No, there's too many of us, and we have rifles.
We probably would be safe, but you never can tell if you're in the wrong situation at the wrong time.
ari shaffir
They're really hungry.
joe rogan
Yeah, if a mountain lion's old, if it can't catch a deer anymore, you know, if it's starving, you can just catch them.
ari shaffir
But where you were camping at night, like by the river, that was okay?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, we were camping at sites where you're allowed to camp, you know, you're allowed to set up, and we, you know, after the first night, it stopped raining, so we made fires.
But the nighttime, man, when you, first of all, it's fucking freezing.
Like, it got down to as cold as 12 degrees.
brian redban
Did you encounter a spoon?
joe rogan
No, we didn't spill.
We slept in separate tents.
We're all sleeping outside.
I mean, we're outside in the fucking...
I mean, you have to zip yourself up in these...
You wear wool underwear.
You wear like thermal, like long john type wool underwear.
And then you wear on top of that, like a thick pair of these wool pants.
And then on top of that, I've got, you know, above me, I've got a wool long underwear top and then two layers and then a jacket.
And then a down coat over the jacket and then I'm inside the sleeping bag in the down coat with the hood up and the hood on the sleeping bag and you're barely able to do it.
It's fucking cold.
But once you get in there for a while, especially once I've realized to sleep with the jacket on, like I thought I should probably take my layers off.
But it was too cold.
It sucks.
brian redban
Zero masturbating, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I held my loads.
I held my loads for strength.
It benefited me from my endurance because it was a difficult thing to do.
It seems like you're whining about...
I work out.
I do tough stuff.
I do hard kettlebell workouts.
I do jujitsu.
Very difficult things.
But this hiking shit, when you're hiking around in mud all day, uphill, it's fucking hard, man.
You really get winded.
Your heart rate gets up.
It's a really good workout.
And it feels like honest.
Like you're really fucking getting some...
You're really doing something.
And you get in the boat.
So I was enjoying it from an athletic standpoint.
I was like, this is a good workout.
ari shaffir
Was it warm at all during the days?
joe rogan
No, it was never warm.
It never got more than in the 30s.
The warmest, it was probably like 34, 35 degrees.
Every time we were there, our water would turn to ice.
It was always constantly turning to ice.
ari shaffir
There's probably more people there in the summertime and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, but that's not when the hunting season starts.
If you want to go deer hunting...
See, this area is...
It doesn't have a lot of biodiversity, according to Steve Rinella, but what it does have is it has a lot of certain types of animals that you could find.
And there's not...
You don't see a lot of animals, but every now and then you'll see a deer.
Like, there's one.
And every now and then you'll see a ram.
We saw a lot of rams.
ari shaffir
Rams?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
ari shaffir
Whoa.
joe rogan
They're fucking impressive.
These bighorn sheep...
And they're walking across the tops and the ledges of these mountains.
And you're watching them just like really, really perilous situations.
And they're walking like they're so sure-footed.
It's really kind of crazy to watch.
And they're so badass with their curly horns.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think you have to...
ari shaffir
I thought they're rammed humans if they get too close to them.
joe rogan
Well, you shouldn't get close to them, but I think if you're not trying to do something to them...
They didn't seem to be interested in us.
Apparently that's a really hard animal to get a tag for, to hunt, because they reintroduced them to Colorado and they built up the numbers.
And so it's very difficult to get a tag, especially where we were, to hunt them.
It's not like when you go hunting, it's not like everybody can go hunting.
Say if there's certain species, it's very hard to get a tag for it, even if you live in that state.
ari shaffir
So they only say, let's say only 10 people can hunt these things?
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
It's one of those things.
And you might have a million people that are trying to hunt.
But deer is one of the ones that you literally have to hunt.
If you don't hunt deer, then they have starvation issues.
They have overpopulation issues.
They interfere with traffic.
It becomes a real problem if there's roads or anything where people are driving along because these animals, in order to get food, they have to travel all over the place.
Now, a lot of them are nocturnal.
They'll run across the road.
And there's certain parts of the country right now where If you're driving around the road at night, it's fucking scary.
You could slam into deer's left and right.
I think it was Iowa.
There's some ungodly amount of deer killed in car accidents every year in Iowa.
It's like 100,000.
Because there's so many of them.
They're fucking all over the place.
And for people that don't understand how conservation works, it's really interesting.
But the majority of the money, in fact all of the money, that goes to wildlife groups, like the groups that put bag limits on hunting, whatever the agency, whatever name for the agencies they are.
I don't know what they call themselves.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But whatever they are, fish and game, whatever that is, all their money comes from hunting.
So all the money for regulating the population, reintroducing animals that were wiped out, all of that comes from hunting.
And there's some people, I can understand their point of view, some people think that we should have no hunting.
And that hunting is cruel and that killing animals is cruel.
And I can totally understand that point of view too.
ari shaffir
I can see no farming animals.
joe rogan
Look, the type of person that would say you shouldn't kill an animal because killing animals are cruel is a nice person.
That's a person that wants to be nice to animals.
So I can't see how I would want to argue with that.
I can see your point.
But ultimately, if I look at it pragmatically, my thoughts have always been that, listen, these animals are going to die, whether we eat them or whether a coyote eats them or a mountain lion eats them.
We found giant mountain lion shits with hair in them, deer hair in them.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really creepy.
It's really creepy because you're just thinking, this motherfucker killed this deer with his face.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Like, what a badass cat this is.
ari shaffir
Did you see that video of the coyotes getting killed by the wolves?
joe rogan
Yes, I did.
ari shaffir
They ripped it apart.
They don't have hands.
joe rogan
Well, the wild is a very fascinating thing, man.
Being out there for five days with no cell phone, no internet, no TV, no radio, just sleeping outside, eating outside for five days was very strange.
And you're stalking an animal.
You're stalking animals.
And occasionally we'd see them, but they were too far away, and we had to get upwind of them.
If we were upwind and the wind was going down to them, they could smell us.
So we had to make sure that we were always in a situation where the wind was blowing towards us, like from the animal to us, so that the animal couldn't smell us.
And we had to creep up on them.
ari shaffir
You would see it from far, far away, and then try to track it down?
joe rogan
We'd see them from far, far away, and then we would duck behind things, and then we would try to go all the way around, depending on where the wind was.
It's very important.
ari shaffir
How far down was it?
joe rogan
First of all, we smelled so bad.
We were there with no showers for five days, okay?
So you could smell my ass from Mars, all right?
ari shaffir
Your ass must have been terrible.
I thought of Pitt's ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're taking shits in these eco bags.
It's like the whole thing was horrific.
ari shaffir
In a bag?
joe rogan
Yeah, like this certain type of bag that's for human waste so that you don't leave your shit laying around on the Missouri River.
ari shaffir
What's wrong with your shit?
joe rogan
It's gross.
People don't want to step in your shit.
Meanwhile, there's cow shit everywhere.
unidentified
What do you mean?
ari shaffir
It's fucking wild.
joe rogan
Because it's not wild.
It's fucking death.
Human shit is like one of the worst things you could ever encounter.
Our diets are disgusting and non-natural and filled with preservatives and things that fucking ferment inside our assholes.
And then it comes pouring out in the most wretched smell ever.
Even dog shit doesn't smell nearly as bad as human shit.
ari shaffir
You can smell when a dog is shit in the house.
You're like...
I think a dog shit.
Yeah.
A bunch of human shits.
joe rogan
It's like, what the fuck?
brian redban
Of human shit.
Like, I had the biggest FOGO shit the other day, and I wanted to just put a $20 bill on it and not flush it, so somebody would try to grab that $20 bill just to see it.
Because, you know, I don't want them to come in and just flush it.
I just want them to take a look.
ari shaffir
Just try.
brian redban
Anyway.
joe rogan
So, we're out there for...
You know, two, three days.
On the third day was when I killed a deer.
And we were...
Before that, we had seen a couple of them, but we couldn't get close enough to shoot them.
ari shaffir
Okay, hold on.
How far downwind do you have to be?
Like, if you're two miles away, you're okay.
But, like, how close can you be?
joe rogan
You can be close as long as the wind is going from them to you.
And then it's a matter of sound.
ari shaffir
But then if it's not...
If it's going towards them...
How far away do you have to circle around them?
joe rogan
It all depends because it's not a distance thing.
It's a being behind things thing and it's being above them thing.
Ideally, you want them below you and you're above from the top of the hills.
Also, you have more shots at them.
If they, you know, you have more opportunities.
If they're going, like, up over the hill and you shoot at them, they take off over the top of the hill, you don't know where they're going.
They went left or right.
You have no idea where they are.
ari shaffir
But you're already over the hill.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you look down on them, you can see where they are better.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So you can scan more area, too.
It's kind of hard to figure out where they're going to go.
It's a really interesting thing because it's...
You become a part of their world.
I mean, you're walking around, you're living outside, you're doing this for several days, and you're becoming a part of these animals' world.
You don't talk all day.
All day is spent trying to walk as slowly and quietly as possible, stopping every 15 to 20 seconds.
It sounds like awful.
ari shaffir
To scan what?
joe rogan
Okay, relax.
To scan the horizon.
To look around for these animals.
So you're doing this all day.
And you're not talking.
You know, very rarely.
It's like, you know, maybe he'll say, okay, we're going to try over here.
ari shaffir
Now, at this point, are you tracking anything, or are you just hoping to see one?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes.
We see a lot of tracks.
You see a lot of deer footprints.
We saw elk footprints, a lot of ram footprints.
We saw an amazing amount of rams.
It was incredible how many of these big horn sheep we saw.
ari shaffir
So are you following the tracks, or are you just walking until you see one?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're following the trails that the deer's traveling, because the deer's traveling trails, and then they'll go off into the wooded areas to bed down.
So they get up in the morning, and in the morning they're up and they get water and eat, and they'll stay active for a little while, and then they start going in the midday to bed down, and then they come out when it gets dark again.
We had one come through our camp while we're sleeping.
ari shaffir
You just found out later?
joe rogan
We heard it.
You just hear it going, woof, woof.
It gets scared.
It came through the camp, and as it's in the camp, it realizes, oh my god, I'm surrounded by ogres.
The monsters that want to eat me are right there.
And it sort of freaks out and starts stomping its feet.
ari shaffir
I bet they could fuck up a tent if they wanted to.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it could.
Of course it could.
I mean, they're not aggressive.
It's not like they would do that unless they were threatened.
They're clearly prey.
They're made of meat.
They're clearly prey for all these...
Different predators, especially mountain lions, but humans, of course.
And that's what they're worried about.
Wolves used to be an issue.
ari shaffir
They just want to walk around and eat leaves.
joe rogan
They want to fuck.
That's what it is.
It's getting close.
We weren't there during the rut.
During the rut, it's really crazy because the deer get super bold because they just have hard-ons and they just want to go fuck.
And they'll just walk right across the street and look at you and you can blast them.
It's like...
It's really a ruthless trick because they're being silly.
ari shaffir
So that's why people put the smell of a female deer on them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they spray it on them.
They'll spray it on things.
I think some places that's illegal though.
There's different places that have different laws and regulations.
I learned a lot from hanging out with this Steve Rinella guy.
It was a fascinating thing.
ari shaffir
We should have those rules.
Like, girls shouldn't be able to dress like sluts unless they are.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's not allowed.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because the deer comes up and he's like, oh, can I fuck?
Oh, it's some other thing that I can't fuck.
joe rogan
So if girls were trying to rip you off, like if girls were like professional gold diggers, they shouldn't be allowed to dress like sluts.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Unless you're willing to back it up.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Okay.
ari shaffir
So if you are a female deer, yeah, you can make that smell.
That's okay.
brian redban
It seemed like that would be very stressful.
Did you ever get to a point where you're just like, alright, I really just want to yell and tweet and walk around?
ari shaffir
How did that feel with that one?
joe rogan
No, that was the interesting thing.
I was able to sort of accept that this was how we're living for the next few days.
And I didn't look forward to it ending.
ari shaffir
You didn't even bring your phone with you?
joe rogan
No.
Well, it doesn't work.
There's no cell phone reception out there.
Nothing.
You can't get anything out there.
But I knew that going in there.
And what I was thinking was, this is going to be an interesting opportunity to sort of get off the grid for a little bit and see what that feels like.
And one of the weird things about getting off the grid for a few days is that you get a lot of energy, man.
You've got a lot of energy.
When you're walking around, going after these deer, and then in between you're rowing your boat, even when you sit down for a few minutes, you're not exhausted.
You don't want to take a nap.
You have energy.
It's like, dude, I think that's what people are supposed to be doing.
ari shaffir
Smartphones?
joe rogan
People are supposed to be working and doing things physically all day.
And when they don't do things physically all day, they get exhausted.
I really believe that.
I think if you look at our past as when we developed, you know, back to the time where people just first started storing foods and developing clothes and making weapons and figuring out how to hunt animals, we were in motion all day.
Whether we were building shelter or collecting food, we were in motion all day.
And I think that's our default.
And when we sit down, like, at a desk, and you're sitting in front of a computer, or you're sitting there and, you know, just sitting in front of the television, I think your body gets confused as fuck.
I think your body's like, well, we're just not moving, so I guess we should sleep.
ari shaffir
Yeah, why would there be a reason to just not move?
joe rogan
There's no reason.
ari shaffir
Unless you're sitting down at the end of the day eating.
joe rogan
That's why I think that being in front of a computer or being in a cubicle, like doing that all day, like sitting in a desk all day, is probably terrible for your body.
ari shaffir
We do that.
joe rogan
Terrible for your brain.
How do we do that?
ari shaffir
Sit and fucking surf the web.
brian redban
We should do a walking podcast.
ari shaffir
Even this right now, it's like we're not doing anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we're having a conversation.
This is the best way to have a conversation is in a way that you don't have to think about your body.
You shut it off and relax.
If we were standing up, we wouldn't be having as cool of a conversation.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, we're not moving.
brian redban
No, no, walking podcast.
We just go for a nice walk.
joe rogan
That's not a bad idea.
brian redban
Of course, it would be me going...
joe rogan
Dude, this fucking sucks.
I want to go play Pokemon.
brian redban
Hey, Pokemon.
joe rogan
This is the first thing that came to me.
Is there a thing that we could get, like the Bigfoot Hunter guys?
brian redban
Oh, right.
joe rogan
We could do a podcast.
ari shaffir
Oh, so show us.
joe rogan
There would just be videos of us getting made fun of.
Wandering around Pasadena.
We could do a blog.
We could totally do that.
ari shaffir
Let's just go on a hike in Runyon Canyon.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Well, that's too pretentious.
How about Griffith Park?
unidentified
Go to the zoo.
joe rogan
We would find people that would put their resumes in front of the fucking camera.
That place is filled with so many fucking annoying douchebags.
Yeah, we should totally do that.
I took a lot of photos.
ari shaffir
Let's go to the zoo like that.
joe rogan
I took a lot of photos from this trip.
I took a lot of photos of the animal.
I mean I showed you a picture of the animal that I shot.
So what happened was on the third day was when we were We had gone hiking through the morning, and then we went and looked for deer.
We didn't see anything.
We saw a couple, but we didn't get close enough to them to get a shot at them.
And then we rode for a few miles down the river, and then we stopped at this one place.
And we traveled about a mile in, this long field.
We're going up all these hills.
The director spots this deer.
So there's one deer.
That's all it is.
ari shaffir
The director?
brian redban
Was he like, action!
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The director also works as a cameraman.
His name is Moe.
brian redban
This is all recorded.
joe rogan
It's a super hard job.
It's for a TV show, dude.
ari shaffir
Wait, that's what you went hunting for?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It's a television show.
ari shaffir
Oh really?
I thought you just went hunting.
joe rogan
I can't wait to see this.
We have full documentation.
ari shaffir
A lot of funny moments?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, my god, so much funny moments because Callan went with me.
ari shaffir
So they had a hike with all their cameras and shit with them?
joe rogan
Well, they hold a camera.
They have a camera that's not light.
These guys are in serious shape.
Moe, the director, is this big strapping guy and he's hoofing it, man.
I mean, this is a real work.
And Ranella, the guy who's the star of the show, he does this shit all year round.
So he's in serious shape for this.
There's like a type of shape that you get in for hiking.
It's a hiking shape.
And he's in great hiking shape.
And so he takes these really perilous paths, too.
A lot of times I was like, whoa, this is tricky shit.
Because I'm carrying a rifle.
You know, I'm carrying a rifle and we're climbing up mountains.
It was no joke, man.
We did the whole thing the right way.
I mean, this was like a 100% wild animal.
Most likely, this deer had never seen a person before.
Yeah, we were in the badlands of Montana.
It was some serious shit, right?
So we're getting over the top of this ridge, and we look over, and Mo sees this deer.
So we have to creep up on it, and we have to creep up on it and go upwind of it.
Or downwind, rather, so that its scent is coming to us and ours isn't coming in.
And so then we got a shot off at it at 200 yards.
I shot it from 200 yards.
ari shaffir
You killed it?
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
How did you know how to use the rifle the right way?
joe rogan
He showed me how.
He showed me how two days before.
It's pretty simple.
I shot guns before.
ari shaffir
Were you standing up or lying down?
unidentified
Lying down.
joe rogan
Lying down on the ground.
brian redban
You had a scope and everything?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you have to correct us how far it is?
joe rogan
I have to have a scope because it was 200 yards away.
It was really far.
ari shaffir
Yeah, this is what I figured out about bullets.
The gravity hits them, so they'll go down the further away.
So you have to know to aim slightly up if you're 50 yards away.
300 yards away.
brian redban
I think the scope is designed for that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it tells you how far it's looking like.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not for high powered rifles.
It takes a long time before they change trajectory.
They go pretty straight for a long time.
I mean, it's like a really serious rifle.
So the deer drops, and I didn't even know he dropped.
I shoot it.
The whole thing, it's a really tricky thing, like shooting something.
First of all, I'm breathing heavy.
We had done all this crazy hiking, and my adrenaline's flying.
Because I'm trying to relax and tune in.
And I don't want to hurt this thing.
ari shaffir
I got it right through the head.
joe rogan
I want to shoot it in the leg and then it runs away and we can never catch it again.
You know what I mean?
It bleeds out.
I wanted to do it correctly.
So I wanted to make sure that I had a good shot.
And I dropped it with the first shot.
It wasn't dead.
I had to kill it.
I had to hit it with the second shot.
ari shaffir
He wasn't dead?
joe rogan
No.
He was going to die.
I shot him through...
Like, right above, like, his heart.
And so it would have taken, it like hit his spine.
ari shaffir
What were you aiming for?
The heart or the head?
joe rogan
You aimed for the heart.
ari shaffir
Okay.
And so then you had to walk up to it and shoot it?
Or you shot it again from right there?
joe rogan
I shot it from a distance.
ari shaffir
How far away?
joe rogan
Pretty close.
I got pretty close to make sure that I didn't miss.
ari shaffir
10 feet?
joe rogan
No, it was further than that.
ari shaffir
With the rifle again?
joe rogan
Yeah, with the rifle.
And then I finished it.
It was very intense, man.
Because then, right after that, then we're gutting it.
And it's hot, okay?
And I made a real conscious decision to do this.
And I know I got a lot of criticism from a lot of people that said, you shouldn't go hunting, you shouldn't kill something, this is so horrible.
But here's the issue, man.
It's like a lot of these people that I'm talking to, they're wearing leather shoes.
Okay?
You got leather in your car interior.
You eat burgers and you got no problem with it.
ari shaffir
People always get sweatshops until they find out the iPhone is made of one.
joe rogan
This is my point of view.
It's not that I want to kill animals.
I'm like a mean person.
I want to go out and kill these beautiful animals.
But I eat meat.
And I've eaten meat my whole life.
And I've taken no responsibility for how that meat is acquired.
I read all the shit about farming.
And I don't want to be attached to that.
I don't want to be attached to be...
To factory farming.
There's a huge difference.
I don't want to be attached to the way they treat animals where they essentially have them live their entire lives tortured in cages feeding shit food that their body can't even digest to fatten them up and then we kill them and eat them and then you just pick it up at the supermarket completely detached from the process.
It just is meat.
I knew coming in that this was going to be a weird experience.
How was I going to address this?
Was I going to enjoy this?
Was I going to feel terrible and become a vegetarian?
How was my reaction to it?
ari shaffir
When you walked up to it, how did you feel?
joe rogan
When it was dead?
ari shaffir
No, before you shot it the second time.
joe rogan
I felt like I have to kill it.
ari shaffir
You could see it close enough to know it was actually breathing and stuff.
unidentified
Could you hear it?
joe rogan
Yeah, you could hear it.
ari shaffir
What was he doing?
Just writhing on the ground?
joe rogan
He was just struggling.
Yeah, he was struggling.
ari shaffir
And so you went up there?
joe rogan
He wasn't moving much.
I mean, he was going to die soon.
But I had to make sure that I took care of it right there.
Look, it's very strange.
The whole experience is very strange.
The whole experience of tracking them down is strange, knowing that you're tracking them down to eventually eat them.
And then when you're actually eating it, it's like that night we sat over at a campfire and we cooked liver and the heart and the kidneys.
ari shaffir
How did you get it back or did you camp there?
joe rogan
No, we had to bring it back.
ari shaffir
How did you carry it back?
joe rogan
You cut it up.
ari shaffir
Cut it up first and everyone takes a piece?
joe rogan
Well, we did the first night.
We took the organs out that we could use, that you'd eat.
You don't eat all the organs, but you eat the liver and you eat the heart and you eat the kidneys.
And so we took all that stuff out.
ari shaffir
What did you do with the rest of the organs?
joe rogan
We pulled it out, and we were going to use it for catfish bait, but you just leave it there.
We wound up leaving it there, and other animals would eat it almost immediately.
The ravens would find it, and when the ravens find it, then the coyotes will figure out where the ravens are, and the coyotes will go to there.
It's like...
Nature has this really efficient system of cleaning out things.
Yeah, it's really amazing.
So we leave the organs, take the edible organs, and then leave the body overnight because it takes a few hours to part it up and to clean it and part it up.
ari shaffir
You can leave it there.
There's no...
joe rogan
It's 30 degrees outside, so it's like a refrigerator.
So you tie it up to make sure that nothing can get to it, but there's no insects there.
unidentified
Everything's...
ari shaffir
It's so dead there.
If it was warm, you couldn't have done that?
Or can you leave the meat out?
joe rogan
No, you couldn't do that.
You can't leave the meat out if it's hot out.
Like if it's in Texas in August, you shouldn't leave the meat out like that.
unidentified
How long do you have?
ari shaffir
Because they always kill it.
It doesn't go straight to our fridge.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know how long...
You have some time, but if it's hot out, you don't have nearly as much time.
ari shaffir
That's why people salt things to preserve them, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, but that's not what they do with wild game.
That's what they used to do with meat back when they didn't have refrigerators.
I don't really totally understand how that works either.
But maybe bacteria doesn't live on the surface with the salt or something, I don't know.
So it was so cold out, we just left it there.
You can leave it there.
It's like leave it in the refrigerator.
It was like a mile from the camp, so then we had to walk back from the camp.
ari shaffir
Can these big pieces?
joe rogan
Yeah, we had to take it apart.
ari shaffir
How much did that buck weigh?
joe rogan
It was about 180 pounds.
ari shaffir
180 pounds.
So you guys had to split that up.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had to chop it up and carry it out.
It was a lot of work.
That was the most difficult thing, was carrying the buck back.
Actually, no.
You know, all the hiking together, all of it was pretty hard.
The really slippery slopes were probably the hardest thing.
But the most difficult thing is staying calm and shooting the animal.
And then making a decision.
Like, is this really what you want to do?
Like, what are you going to do?
ari shaffir
You've already made that decision now.
joe rogan
But I wanted to know.
I wanted to...
Look, the detachment that a normal person has or eats meat...
I don't necessarily think that's healthy.
I think that we've removed what it is from our heads and we're just acquiring meat.
We're just going to a supermarket and acquiring meat.
And I think that lack of connection...
I don't know.
I think ultimately it's not healthy and I think it's not natural.
I think it's weird.
ari shaffir
Not to know where the food comes from.
joe rogan
It's like being born rich or something.
Coyotes do that.
You don't really appreciate it or understand it.
ari shaffir
Coyotes do that.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
ari shaffir
They just grab food that somebody else killed.
joe rogan
They kill things too, dude.
They're out there.
It's a hard scrabble life.
You can't be picky and choosy when you're a coyote.
What I mean is that the idea of going to a supermarket and everything's prepared and packaged for you, we don't think about...
brian redban
You should come with headshots of the animal, like a photo of their face.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is me when I was a baby.
This is me at one years old, just learning how to walk.
ari shaffir
So you feel like now when you buy the meat, you'll sort of appreciate it more?
joe rogan
Well, I have a lot of deer meat to eat.
ari shaffir
Oh, you took it back with you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Did you like it?
joe rogan
It's delicious.
It's the best meat you can eat.
ari shaffir
So now, they say you want to get it clean so it doesn't taste gamey because it releases that testosterone or whatever it is, right?
Adrenaline once you hit it before you kill it?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to have adrenaline no matter what, man.
I mean, if it doesn't die instantly.
But it doesn't taste bad.
You know, it's a really lean, delicious meat.
It tastes really good.
For a lot of people, they have a problem with killing things.
I get it.
You eat meat, but you don't like killing things.
And I understand that.
But I think being upset at someone for killing something that they eat, I think is a little bit hypocritical.
Not a little bit.
Ridiculously hypocritical.
It's also stupid.
We're not being honest about what we are as an organism.
We're not being honest about what we are as an organism if you're mad at people that hunt.
Because every fucking restaurant you go to, everywhere you look has murdered animals in it.
That's everywhere you look.
ari shaffir
There is something different though to be part of the killing as opposed to being okay with the killing going on.
It's like you don't want to be an executioner but you can believe in capital punishment.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess if you weren't eating the prisoners after you killed them.
ari shaffir
But I'm saying you don't have to be the one doing the killing.
There's a difference between doing the killing and just being okay with people getting murdered.
joe rogan
I don't think the capital punishment argument works because you don't need capital punishment for sustenance.
You don't need meat either.
People exist on being a vegetarian.
But if you're consuming meat, you're eating it.
And that is a part of your diet.
That's a part of your everyday diet.
Yet we have no connection with that.
And that was the issue that I had.
I was like, man, I feel like, just as a human going through this life, if I'm going to continue to eat meat, I should take a part in the process.
I don't want to start a farm and go kill a pig on a farm.
ari shaffir
That's a no part of you want to just go to a farm and say, let's just do that.
joe rogan
Why?
I think the best way is this animal lives a totally natural wildlife and then, boom!
It gets shot.
ari shaffir
Can I just make an argument for them?
Because I think it's fine to hunt.
I don't care at all.
But that deer would not have died.
Yes, it would.
joe rogan
You don't know that.
You're wrong.
ari shaffir
It wouldn't have died that day by that moment.
joe rogan
Most of them die either they get killed by predators or they die because it gets cold out.
That happens a lot.
ari shaffir
It would have died eventually.
It wouldn't have died right then.
But if you go to a farm with just killing cows, that would have died right then.
Just you're doing it.
Wouldn't that be more of taking a part in the process?
joe rogan
I don't know what you're saying.
ari shaffir
Go to a farm where they're killing a bunch of cows.
Today's cow killing day.
Go there and say, hey, let me work the lever for a little bit.
Let me fucking put a nail gun in his head.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
That's like a semantics argument.
Like, why would you even care?
You're taking a life either way.
You take a life that's destined to be taken, and it's less meaning?
ari shaffir
If that's a normal kind of meat people eat, then that seems like...
joe rogan
Deer is as normal as eating cows.
ari shaffir
Well, first of all, two.
One, people don't eat deer as much.
Two, if they do eat...
Meat, they usually get it from supermarkets, which are farmed.
joe rogan
Today.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Today.
But throughout human history, people have been eating deer.
ari shaffir
If you're saying you want to take a part of what you're eating and say, I'm going to let my conscience sit on this and see this is what we're doing, then wouldn't you want to go and do actually what you're doing to get that meat?
And not change it to a different way.
joe rogan
I'm not sure I follow you.
ari shaffir
If you get your chicken from farms that kill 3,000 chickens in a day, and that's where people get their chicken, wouldn't it be better if you want to see what it's actually like, where this chicken comes from?
Wouldn't it be better to go to a place like that where they're killing chickens all day and have it strung up and slice its throat than killing a wild chicken?
joe rogan
Well, if you were dead set on eating factory-raised chicken, I could see your point.
But if your point was that you wanted to be a part of what you ate, not that you specifically wanted to eat factory-raised chicken.
You know what I'm saying?
I think that the idea of an animal living a wild life and then its life ending in a brief moment because of bullet.
I think that is a more humane and more...
I don't even like the word humane.
Because humane...
What is the actual meaning of humane?
Because humans, I don't think, are so fucking humane.
unidentified
You don't want people to suffer, I guess, technically.
joe rogan
If you look at how we acquire our meat, that's not humane at all.
ari shaffir
It just seems like that deer wouldn't have died right then.
Where if you go to some farm, they would have died then.
So it's like you can take apart without adding to the killing.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense.
I think you're just baked.
ari shaffir
I am big, but it totally makes sense to me.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
ari shaffir
You're saying you want to show that you're a part of this and know where it comes from.
Most people do get their food.
joe rogan
I also want to eat game.
I think game is the best food.
I've said this for a long time, that I think that there's probably more nutrition in wild game than any other kind of food, and I think that's one of the reasons why they're so elusive.
They know that they're worth something.
When a deer hears you and those fucking antenna ears pop up and they start looking, they know that they're super nutritious.
And there's a bunch of animals out there that are just trying to jack them.
There used to be a lot more mountain lions, but apparently they have a good healthy supply of them now.
We didn't see any while we were there, but whenever you have a lot of deer, you have a lot of mountain lions.
ari shaffir
That's what they eat.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they eat.
Especially fawns.
They'll go after the babies because they're easy and they can take them.
ari shaffir
I like how nature set everything up where it gives everything sort of a fighting chance.
Like, we're not going to kill all of you, but the ones that are too bold and go out away from the herd, you're going to get jacked.
joe rogan
It's very fascinating to be, even though I went there with all these human inventions like tents and guns and all that stuff, to be out there living in nature for four or five days.
It's a very eye-opening experience, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some weird primal shit goes off when you're out there stalking a deer that you're eventually going to eat.
And then later that night, you're sitting in front of a campfire with a bunch of men, and everyone's feasting on the meat from this animal and talking about how delicious it is and enjoying it.
Yeah.
It's very strange, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can see where a lot of people would be uncomfortable with it.
I could see where a lot of people would be angry, and they might be a little bit irrational and be pissed at me that I went and I hunted.
But, you know, you're not mad at me when I have a cheeseburger.
You know, I don't get cries in anger when I put a steak on the grill and take a photo of it, which I do all the time because I like to cook steaks like 2 o'clock in the morning.
Like a boss!
ari shaffir
What happens if you didn't find that deer that day?
joe rogan
Then we have no deer.
I gotta keep looking.
No, we ate these freeze-dried foods.
We ate these freeze-dried meals.
You open them up and you pour hot water in them.
And they had these jets, these flame jets that would boil water.
And you turn the flame jets on, and you put this water canister over, and it'll boil the water.
And the water starts boiling, and you shut it off, and you pour the boiling water into the bag.
And you seal it, and you let it sit for a few minutes.
And it's not bad.
You know, they have like...
ari shaffir
And you boil the water over.
joe rogan
Lasagna.
brian redban
They sell that shit on Amazon, like a huge carton of just tons of those packs.
Dude, they're not bad.
You know, like if we need that.
joe rogan
You'd be amazed at like, you could actually survive off of it.
It's not bad.
It actually tastes pretty good.
So, the only thing that was ruthless is the sleeping outside.
It's just, that's really difficult to get used to.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And the physical activity of stalking the animal, and then the reality of the shooting of the animal.
That was intense.
Because I wondered how I was going to feel about that.
I wondered if I was going to feel sad, if I'm going to feel bad.
ari shaffir
What was the feeling?
joe rogan
I didn't feel bad.
It felt very natural.
ari shaffir
And when you were eating it, were you thinking about the animal you killed?
Or really, were you just enjoying a good burger?
joe rogan
Well, I was enjoying it.
I was thinking about the process in which it happened.
I was thinking about its life.
I felt...
I mean, it sounds very cliché to say you feel very connected with nature.
But man, that is the perfect description.
It's like being connected with nature.
unidentified
You don't have to eat nature to be connected with it.
joe rogan
I know, but guess what, folks?
When you eat broccoli, you're eating nature, you fuck, okay?
When you eat celery, you're eating nature.
You know, when you eat beets, you're eating a living part of nature.
It just can't defend itself.
It doesn't scream, and it doesn't try to run away.
So you assume it's okay.
It's not the same species as us, but we would be super excited if we found it on Mars, okay?
If we found kale on Mars...
And some asshole came around and ate it.
brian redban
Kale on Mars.
joe rogan
Why'd you eat the fucking Mars kale, you cunt?
This is life from another planet and you ate it.
brian redban
It's Mars fed.
ari shaffir
I'm going to get so regular though.
joe rogan
And it doesn't mean that I didn't think that the animal was beautiful.
I thought the animal was very beautiful.
I'm amazed just to see them.
I enjoyed seeing all the rams that we couldn't shoot.
We couldn't get attacked to shoot them, but I enjoyed seeing them.
But I think that ideally, I would like to eat nothing but game meat.
I think that would be the best for me health-wise, and I think that it would be the most honest way to be a meat-eater.
So that's what I'm going to try to do.
We're going to go again in the summer, and we're going to go hunting for caribou.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Callan's going to go again.
ari shaffir
Try to eat those things?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're huge.
ari shaffir
So you're going to have stuff shipped in from now on?
joe rogan
Yeah.
My meat is in Montana.
It's on its way to me.
They freeze it and they send it.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I mean, like, more often.
joe rogan
I'm going to do this more often.
Yeah.
I'm going to try to go hunting a couple times a year.
ari shaffir
Can you just buy game meat?
joe rogan
You could.
You could do that, too.
But what you'd be buying is the animals, but they'd be, like, in a farm situation.
And you'd have to make sure that they were grass-fed.
ari shaffir
You would want to make sure that...
joe rogan
No, no.
I don't think you're allowed to sell wild game.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it has to be domesticated.
I think.
I could be wrong about that.
It might be different in each state as well.
ari shaffir
Is there any difference?
I know freshwater fish, I think, tastes better the quicker you get it to the pan.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But salt water, not as much of a problem.
Is there any freshness factor to it?
joe rogan
Well, the organs, yes.
You should cook the organs as quickly as possible.
The organs are delicious.
Like, deer liver is fantastic.
ari shaffir
And it tastes better right then than a day later?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want it.
But the meat actually is, according to Steve Rinell, is better the next day.
It gives it a chance to relax.
And, you know, it's a very sinewy, muscular animal.
So you have to prepare in a certain way.
ari shaffir
It's all muscle, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very little fat.
They're incredibly lean.
So when you cook them, you have to make sure that you don't overcook it.
You cook it really quickly.
And you have it very much on the rare side.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Venison?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So it's called venison?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or you could slow cook it.
That's the other way too, where it breaks it down like a pork shoulder.
You know, they do that.
They slow cook it.
So it'll wind up...
I'll figure out, you know, how to cook all of it.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I have like, that's probably like 60 or 70 pounds of meat.
ari shaffir
We rename, you think, all our meats?
We don't do it with birds, but all our meats we rename so we don't have to talk about the animal that it is.
joe rogan
Probably.
ari shaffir
Like venison, deer, and beef.
joe rogan
Yeah, cow becomes beef.
ari shaffir
Ham, pork.
joe rogan
Steer becomes beef.
Yeah, it's weird.
A steer.
You know, we have to make a steer.
What's that?
Oh, it's a cow that we cut his nuts off.
He was a bull at one point in time, but we're like, yeah, you're not going to need those, dude.
You're here for steak.
We don't really need you that sinewy.
Yeah.
I guess you can't eat a bull, you know?
You can't?
I don't know.
I mean, we don't want them to have their balls because I think they get, like, rambunctious.
ari shaffir
Don't they squeeze the balls in bull riding contests?
Supposedly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
That's what I've heard.
They asked me to go on Celebrity Rodeo once.
ari shaffir
I was like, bitch, are you out of here?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like, are you out of here?
ari shaffir
Have you met Joe Rogan?
He ain't going anywhere with a bull.
joe rogan
Are you crazy?
Bull riding.
Celebrity bull riding.
And I was like, you're out of your mind.
I think Stephen Baldwin did it and a couple other people.
You're just asking for your body to be broken forever.
ari shaffir
Yeah, not even getting stomped on, just the throne from a bull.
joe rogan
Dude, you know, nobody rides a bull successfully.
It's just a matter of how long before you get thrown off.
So, you know, that's what you have to deal with.
ari shaffir
It's the best that you ride it out.
It's what runs out of energy, then you just ride it.
joe rogan
So stupid.
ari shaffir
And you own it.
joe rogan
Riding a bull is so ridiculous.
ari shaffir
What was the feeling like after you killed and you're frying it up or whatever?
joe rogan
Strange.
ari shaffir
No, but like the feeling of being able to talk fully for the first time.
Could you talk then?
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked around the campfire.
We always talked around the campfire at night.
It's just while we're walking around, we're trying to be pretty quiet.
ari shaffir
Was that relieving every night to be able to actually use your voice?
joe rogan
No.
That seems more interesting to me.
ari shaffir
Barely able to talk.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a little bit of that.
It was nice to go out to camp and fuck around.
The guys were really nice guys.
This guy, Steve Rinella, he's got a great group of dudes that he's got working for him.
He really put together an awesome crew.
And they have to be bad motherfuckers because they're out there freezing their dicks off, sleeping in tents.
And for them, this is their job.
For me, it was like, Some crazy vacation and an opportunity to go hunting for the first time and do this dude's TV show.
Hey, buddy.
But for...
For these guys, the cameraman and the director, that's just an everyday part of their life.
That's what they do every day.
I mean, that's a fucking tough job.
ari shaffir
Oh, man.
joe rogan
You're camping outside most of the year.
ari shaffir
Because they always camp?
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
They always film that stuff?
joe rogan
Constantly.
They're constantly camping.
They're camping in Montana.
They're camping in Arizona.
ari shaffir
And they film that stuff?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
They're camping all over the fucking place.
ari shaffir
Oh, is this a show that's already on?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's been on for a while.
ari shaffir
What show is it?
joe rogan
It's called Meat Eater.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, the dude had a show on the Travel Channel called The Wild Within, and it was a good show.
ari shaffir
It's like a Bear Grylls type show.
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
For hunting?
joe rogan
Sort of, yeah.
I mean, one of the things he did was he hunted a buffalo the same way Lewis and Clark did.
He shot a bison with a musket, with an old school musket, killed it, and then turned it into a boat the same way they would back then.
They'd make a boat out of these things and take a canoe.
ari shaffir
They turned it into a boat?
joe rogan
Yeah, he did that on the show.
It's a pretty interesting fucking show.
Wow.
I really enjoyed it.
He's like a real Wild West historian.
He told us some crazy fucking stories about different things that the Indians had done to the white man, the white man had done to the Indians.
One dude, he gave up, but his friend tried to resist, so they took his friend, they butchered him in front of him, they cut him open.
ari shaffir
Who, the Indians cut him?
joe rogan
Yeah, they cut his dick off, they rubbed it all over his friend, cut his lungs off, rubbed all his friend, and then they told him, we're going to give you a head start and then we're going to come and kill you.
And so this guy outran them, and he outran them and jumped into the river and hid in a beaver den.
They have beaver dens everywhere.
And the beaver dens, what it essentially is, is like the water's running there, and this guy climbed under the water and into a hole that the beavers had dug into the side of the riverbank so they could breathe in there.
So he laid in there and waited until the Indians left, and then he walked 100 miles down to the nearest town, barefoot and naked.
And he ate a rattlesnake and he ate a piece of...
ari shaffir
Just raw?
joe rogan
Yep.
And a piece of buffalo that he found as he was...
ari shaffir
Wait, so the Indians killed his friend in front of this dude just to be more like me?
joe rogan
Yep, just to, you know, because the guy resisted.
ari shaffir
Who is this?
The guy that killed?
joe rogan
It was two guys, yeah.
There was all these stories about what happened when the Indians ran into each other.
What's also fascinating, what he told me, was how ruthless the Indians were to each other, or the Native Americans, you should say, to each other.
They were fucking jacking each other left and right.
There were some that were in the Great Lakes area that were practicing cannibalism of other tribes on a regular basis.
They were eating them for food.
Imagine how harsh it must have been around the Great Lakes in the winter, how brutal that shit is.
And I guess some of the natives that were here were ruthless.
And they actually wound up cannibalizing people.
Yeah, eating people that were, you know, travelers.
ari shaffir
And what do the cowboys do back?
Oh, really?
Just like traveling by?
unidentified
Eating people.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
ari shaffir
You fuck up.
joe rogan
You know, you ride your fucking wagon train to the wrong town.
And this town is with these guys that eat people.
ari shaffir
Is that what we have for Compton?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
You just can't wear blue in certain areas or you're fucked up by accident?
joe rogan
It's way nicer now than it was in the American Indian days.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine how ruthless?
I mean, look, there's one thing to run into gang warfare, but, I mean, bands of people that want to eat you.
ari shaffir
One saw me from 400 miles away or 400 yards away.
I've got to kill him or we're all dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Custer's last stand, he was describing, he's like a real historian, the Steve Rinella guy.
He's just talking about all the things that happened during Custer's last days.
One of the things they did was they mutilated all the bodies the Indians did after they killed Custer's men so that they would have a shitty afterlife.
They cut his dick off so he can't use in the afterlife.
Cut his legs apart so he can't use his legs in the afterlife.
ari shaffir
It didn't matter at that point anymore, Indians?
joe rogan
Cut his arms out.
He punctured his ears, stabbed his ears, so he could listen to warnings better in the afterlife.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because they warned him that this was going to happen to him.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And what's really crazy, there was a guy named Gall, and Gall was this big, giant Indian dude that was involved in the massacre of Custer's last stand.
And he was involved in killing Custer and his men.
And after it was over, he went on those Wild Bill's Wild West tours.
Where they would show up in towns and they would say, this is Gaul, he's responsible for killing, you know, over 500 men and the guy would like be standing there like sneering at people.
And he really was.
He really was the guy that killed Custard and his men.
And there he was, you could watch him.
I mean, he was free to just be walking around And he, you know, he was a part of a war.
And when the war was over, he hung out with Wild Bill and they took him around.
I mean, could you imagine?
ari shaffir
To make a living.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if they did that with, like, Idi Amin?
Or, you know, somebody...
Some warlord.
Yeah, yeah.
Some warlord was on some show.
ari shaffir
All right, guys, relax.
I killed a couple hundred thousand people.
joe rogan
Yeah, what if Saddam Hussein was one day on one of these...
ari shaffir
You know, he would definitely be on like Celebrity Apprentice and shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, could you imagine?
ari shaffir
After a while, he would do those.
Celebrity Survivor.
joe rogan
That's the future.
That's when our civilization really goes into the shitter.
ari shaffir
Yeah, wait a minute.
Why?
Instead of, seriously, instead of killing, I know this is like running man shit, but instead of killing Charles Taylor and fucking Saddam Hussein, all these people, why not have like a...
Let him fucking running, man it out.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Why?
Just so it's entertaining?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's when we get dangerously immoral.
ari shaffir
And you're like, this guy littered.
Get him in there.
brian redban
What if we can hunt abortions somehow?
ari shaffir
I'll give him a fighting chance.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
If you get shrunk down so you're in there with the woman.
brian redban
Like inner space.
Inner space abortions.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
It's talking to you while you're in there.
Don't do it.
brian redban
Don't do it, daddy.
ari shaffir
Just like you.
joe rogan
We're going to have a wonderful life, father.
ari shaffir
Father.
joe rogan
Not if you end it now.
ari shaffir
He's already creeped out.
Hey, when you walked up to kill it after you punctured it, did you have any thought of like, I should say a snappy superhero line.
unidentified
It's so serious.
joe rogan
The moment is so sober.
The moment you just shot an animal for the first time and dropped it and seen it flop onto its back with its legs up in the air.
It was like trying to get up but it couldn't get up.
It was done.
ari shaffir
You didn't think to say, I guess the buck stops here.
joe rogan
Pull the sunglasses up.
What is the dude's name?
unidentified
The dude from Miami CSI? What's that sound that he does?
joe rogan
Oh, God.
I guess the buck stops here, you son of a bitch.
No, it wasn't funny at all.
ari shaffir
How did you decide who gets the shot?
joe rogan
It was me.
I was with Steve, and Brian Callum was off with another professional hunting guide, and Brian also was getting filmed with a different camera, because you can't have that many people out hunting, deciding which animal to go.
brian redban
Did his go well?
joe rogan
Yeah, he shot an animal too.
ari shaffir
Did you guys meet up at night?
joe rogan
Yeah, we meet up at night.
ari shaffir
You knew where the camping spot is?
joe rogan
Yeah, we met up.
Well, we had a camping spot, and then we would go hiking, and then we'd come back to the camping spot, and then we would row together.
So we would talk shit while we were rowing down the river together, make jokes.
Brian Callen is one of the perfect human beings to go on any long trip like that, because he's so fucking hilarious, and he's never off.
He's never off.
He's on the whole time.
It was a series of gay jokes.
That never ended or evolved, but they got more and more hilarious until the end of it.
It was like, while we're, I mean, this sounds like so disrespectful, but while we're like butchering the deer, in between it, Callan does this thing where he starts, stands over the ravine and starts masturbating into the ravine.
Just comes up with the, they call me the ravine comer.
Yeah, that's what I do.
I find a ravine.
Oh, I can't help coming.
I'm coming into the world!
It was so ridiculous.
brian redban
You're not going to be able to use that though, right?
Probably not.
joe rogan
No, but we're going to put it on the internet.
We're going to put it on the internet because it was so ridiculous.
It has to go on the internet.
He had his tongue out and he was making this fucking really aggressive face and just pretending to shoot loads over the ravine.
It was so silly and so hilarious.
But it was also in stark contrast to what we were doing at the time, which was butchering this animal.
When I gutted it, that was the really intense part because it was just a few moments after I shot it.
And then all of a sudden, I'm cutting it open.
And as I'm cutting it open, steam is coming out.
ari shaffir
Like a tauntaun.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, not quite so bad, but very close.
And it's really, really warm.
Their bodies are warmer than ours.
Their bodies are like 104 degrees or something like that.
ari shaffir
Did you get your hands in there and warm them up?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
Well, not warm them up.
I had to pull the organs out.
ari shaffir
Did they all...
If you sliced, did they...
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to slice it a certain way.
You have to slice around the body, like pull it all the way up to the neck, and then you have to cut through the ribcage with a hatchet.
It's serious shit, man.
brian redban
Is that your first time?
You never did any kind of butcher stuff?
joe rogan
No, it's fucking serious shit.
When you're eating a piece of meat from an animal that you saw bouncing around, And then you put a bullet into him and then you go and open him up and take his organs out and then section his body off and then cook and eat it.
There's no confusion as to where that meat came from.
There's a complete direct attachment.
So then it becomes sort of a philosophical debate.
Like, is that what you want to do?
Do you want to just kill natural animals and eat them?
Or do you want to just remain to be a part of this sort of strange disconnect system where we are all getting meat and not even thinking for a second that that used to be an animal?
We have, like, no intellectual connection with the idea that that was an animal.
ari shaffir
To the actual animal it came from.
joe rogan
Yeah, we just eat it.
Especially we eat this really unhealthy stuff with all this fat in it.
ari shaffir
A burger looks nothing like an animal.
joe rogan
Not even close.
Doesn't even make sense.
It's weird.
It's fucking weird.
I'm not outside.
ari shaffir
Are you really thinking about that while you're eating?
This is going through your mind?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
Because I feel like I would just be like, this is delicious!
joe rogan
While I was eating it, I was thinking this is delicious, but I was also thinking, man, this is a serious thing that just happened, you know?
And I've got to treat this serious thing with respect.
Someone said on my message board once that hunting was psychedelic, that he felt hunting was psychedelic.
And I was like, well, that's ridiculous.
ari shaffir
That's what sociopaths do.
joe rogan
It sounds like you don't know what psychedelic means.
That's what I was thinking.
How could that be psychedelic?
That's like the opposite of psychedelic.
You're like...
Killing an animal, you're taking a life, but then in doing it, I think I know what he meant or what it could mean.
What's psychedelic about it is that you are in a totally different world.
When you're there and you're in nature, okay, and there's no cell phone signal, there's no radio, there's no media, nothing is in front of you except nature, and you're walking around in it all day looking for an animal, and then when you finally lock onto that animal, and you're doing this for days and days, and you finally lock onto that animal, and then you take that animal's life, and you see it, and you become a part of this experience, then eat this thing, you realize, like, whoa, all of a sudden, like, I'm in the wild.
Like, I am literally immersed in the wild.
I've just slept in the wild, ate an animal that I shot in the wild, killed it in the wild, cooked it in the wild on some trees.
We chopped some wood and we made a campfire and cooked it over a campfire.
I mean, it is as wildlife immersive as is possible.
And when that happens, man, it's a real paradigm shifting moment.
And much like in a psychedelic experience, after it's over, you go, wow, I am going to take as much of that I can take with me, and that's going to make me a better person.
That's going to make me a more honest person.
This is certainly a powerful experience.
I'm going to grow from it.
I think about that almost every time I trip or have tripped, and that's exactly how I felt about this.
And in that way, it's sort of psychedelic.
brian redban
Did you trip at all while you were there?
Nothing.
Would you have freaked out if you did?
joe rogan
No, I wouldn't have freaked out, but there was no time to fuck around.
It was a difficult endeavor.
The way he does it, you don't have time to go do mushrooms and lie around the grass for six hours.
You're up wandering through the hills of the rifle and if I had gone all the way there with them and then decided to just do mushrooms that would be like so disrespectful to his show and so disrespectful to what he's trying to do because what he's trying to do is with his show he's trying to do these really difficult and challenging hunts and he took me along to do it exactly the way he does it.
So I had to do it the way he does it.
ari shaffir
Okay, picture this.
You go out, you got that on day three out of five.
joe rogan
Why do I have a feeling this is going to be a gay question?
unidentified
You and Karen are sharing it too.
ari shaffir
You're on Brokeback Mountain.
It's beautiful.
Okay, you get this thing on day three.
You're back to your last campsite.
You still have a day and a half left.
You're like, okay, we did it.
That's amazing.
You're coming to terms with that stuff.
And you're undoing your sleeping bag and stuff.
You're like, yeah, I should wear my coat.
It's actually cold.
And you reach near your pocket.
You're like, oh, fuck.
Hey, guys.
I forgot these were in here.
I just found these mushrooms.
Would you do them then?
joe rogan
That's interesting.
ari shaffir
Everybody could do them.
joe rogan
The problem is I would want to not be incapacitated in case something went wrong.
You never know what could go wrong.
When you're camping, the idea that you're just going to sit there and you do the mushrooms for five hours and you'll be fine.
That sounds good in theory.
However, you need eight hours sleep and you really got to make sure you get that because you've got a hard day ahead of you.
And second of all, There's no five hour breaks there between the light being off, eating your food, and then sleeping for eight hours, then getting up while it's still dark out.
There's no time to do it.
I wouldn't have done it because there was still work to be done.
I still had to go back up there and get the deer itself and cut it apart.
That stuff takes hours.
It wasn't easy.
ari shaffir
Oh, you went back.
joe rogan
Yeah, so there was no time to do mushrooms.
And then the next morning, Brian got his, so he helped me go and get my deer and cut it up, and that's when he was jerking off into the ravine, calling himself the ravine comer.
But, you know, the whole experience was very surreal.
From pulling the trigger to watching the animal fall into its back, it was very surreal.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
To, you know, ending its life, you know, to cutting it open and to eating it.
It's pretty fucking intense, man.
And I think that's the most honest way to get food.
I really do.
I think that's the most honest way to get meat.
I'm not...
I can't say that...
I mean, I'm not in a position where I could eat all my meat like that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think that's the right way to do it.
I think if I didn't have this kind of traveling stand-up comedy schedule...
If I was able to live in one place for long periods of time, I would do that.
I would get all my meat from game.
I think if you want to choose to eat meat, that's the most honest way to do it.
Not saying there's anything wrong with having a steak.
ari shaffir
I wonder if farmers come to the big city and be like, dude, you can just find meat at the supermarket.
It's just so much better.
Why are we fooling ourselves?
We're doing this and this.
It's the most honest way to get your meat.
joe rogan
I think there's something about farming much like something about hunting.
I think there's something primal about it.
ari shaffir
I do like picking something off a tree or bush and eating it right there.
joe rogan
I like growing it.
I've been growing things lately, man.
There's something cool to that.
We went to Underwood Farms.
They have this big farm where you can pick out your own food.
You can go and pick out your own pumpkins for Halloween.
You can pick out all kinds of different things that they grow there and then you bring it back and you pay for it.
I looked and I'm like, how difficult would this be to do?
Because it seems like a really smart thing to do.
To have a bunch of food growing in your yard.
ari shaffir
It's so fresh.
joe rogan
To have a place.
What if we had Death Squad Farms where we all grew our food.
Like hire someone to run a farm, buy a piece of land, set up an irrigation system, and that way we know where all our kale comes from, all our strawberries come from.
That seems like that would be attainable.
This is obviously step one on the way to the cult compound slash farm.
But we'll start with a farm, because nobody can argue with the farm.
If you start with a cult, then all of a sudden they're like, hey man, you guys just can't go all culty on us.
But if you start off with a farm, I'm like, listen man, I'm just into making tomatoes.
ari shaffir
How long?
And then how many years before somebody's like, so take up arms?
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty quickly.
I think right away.
As soon as you start killing deers, then people are like, we need guns to kill deer.
That would be the shit.
If you could grow your own food and live off of wild game and vegetables that you grow, that is a very close to nature way to live.
The argument against killing animals, obviously, is they're beautiful, and why would you do that, and this and that, but the bottom line is you need to maintain populations, because if humans don't maintain the population, then we have to give up our spot as the number one predator and bring somebody else in to do it.
ari shaffir
We've decided we would rather kill a deer than have to worry about hitting one with our cars.
joe rogan
And worry about all the different predators that will grow in size and number if you are not killing those deer.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, because then they have more food.
So it goes on from there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
Well, look, a lot of folks don't realize that wolves were a real problem in this world at one point in time.
It seems so strange to say, but like Big Bad Wolf and Little Red Riding Hood and all that shit, where all those stories come from...
At one point in time, wolves used to kill people.
It was normal.
In France...
I've got to pull this up because I saw this.
I just want to make sure that I quote this correctly because it's crazy.
ari shaffir
Does the wolf grow up really big?
joe rogan
Yeah, wolves killed like 40 people in the 1400s in France, in Paris.
40 fucking people.
Yeah, the wolves of Paris.
ari shaffir
That'd be such a horrible way to die.
joe rogan
Dude, are you kidding?
ari shaffir
This is wolf ripping you apart.
joe rogan
The Wolves of Paris.
ari shaffir
Oh, like Walking Dead.
joe rogan
In 1450, the animals entered into the city during the winter through breaches in the walls.
ari shaffir
They put walls up to keep them out.
Wait, what year?
joe rogan
1450. A wolf named Cortade or Bobtail was the leader of the pack, and reports of the animal being reddish in color may be indicative of a Liberian wolf perhaps having migrated from the Pyrenees?
Eventually the wolves were killed when the Parisians, furious at the death, lured Cortade Wow.
Nice.
death in front of the cathedral.
They cornered the wolves.
People were literally fighting for their lives against wolves.
Wow.
Do you know how horrifying that must have been?
That's where the werewolf, the myth of werewolves come from.
ari shaffir
Just some real wolves.
joe rogan
Comes from real wolves and wolves being smart as shit.
They're so smart, they seem like they're people.
ari shaffir
They hunt in packs and they have the alphas and the betas.
joe rogan
They have a system.
brian redban
Powerful wind.
joe rogan
Solar system.
unidentified
What's that?
brian redban
They could blow houses down.
joe rogan
Oh, in the old days.
Yeah, in the old days.
Before they started smoking.
They got into cool menthols and they just fucking ruined their huff and puff.
ari shaffir
They could put on old ladies clothing too and try to fool little girls.
joe rogan
Yeah, they could talk English back in the day.
ari shaffir
So that's what always scares me about camping.
What if one of those things comes up at my tent?
joe rogan
Well, it's a problem when you're not armed, and it's a problem there's not that many of you.
You know, when we were with the Meat Eater crew, it was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
It was like, all together, I believe there was nine of us.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So there was quite a few people.
ari shaffir
But if three of those big wolves, just in the middle of the night, just started...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It could be a problem.
ari shaffir
Like how long until the first person wakes up, gets his gun out.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's the movie The Grey.
Did you see The Grey?
ari shaffir
Yeah, but that's what I understand about The Grey.
They always count them one by one.
It's like, just kill everyone.
joe rogan
The wolves?
ari shaffir
Twelve of you wolves.
These guys can't do shit.
joe rogan
That's probably the only realistic thing about the movie.
ari shaffir
They did it one at a time.
joe rogan
They're sneaky.
Yeah, wolves are smart, man.
They take their time on you.
ari shaffir
But when they are all walking towards the trees and the one guy fell back a little bit and they all went nuts on him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And they all came and was like, hey.
They just could have turned on the rest of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they might not have.
Wolves are very clever, man.
That might be a realistic part of the movie, that they saw the people running back with guns, that they would run away.
ari shaffir
Dude, we heard those wolves kill a skunk when I was camping.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
The yell they let out.
It's just so amazing.
They all just start howling like, we've done it.
joe rogan
Where I was, you didn't have to worry about wolves.
We didn't even hear them.
But they do have them in Idaho.
It's not that far away.
They reintroduced them to the United States.
ari shaffir
In Idaho?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why?
Because they were worried about the ecosystem.
They wanted to bring it back.
They wanted to reintroduce the predators.
It's really interesting because it's having a devastating effect on the game.
But it's also to keep the game populations in order.
Now they're forced to have wolf hunts.
Because the wolves don't have any predators.
And the wolves used to have the predator, and the predator was us.
So now people are hunting wolves.
And now, of course, there's a lot of people that are upset that people are hunting wolves.
And I used to agree with that.
I used to say, wow, you can't hunt fucking wolves.
That's fucked up.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
Because I think there's something majestic about a wolf.
And there's something where you're not going to eat them.
And people were like, why would you be able to hunt wolves?
ari shaffir
Oh, because you can't eat them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but now as I get older, I understand.
You have to hunt them to keep the populations in control.
Because if you don't, then they start going after livestock.
And they will go after people.
A woman got killed by a wolf this year in Alaska.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if there's more wolves, so then there becomes less food for all of them to grow around, then as those wolves die out, they get crazy at the end.
joe rogan
And that's when it becomes, look, if you have an overpopulation problem of wolves and they don't have enough food, that becomes a real fucking problem.
ari shaffir
That's when there's plenty of problems, that's when the population grow, that's all fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, so when everyone's looking at these wolves right now and saying like, oh, I think it sucks that people are going to hunt wolves, like...
They have to hunt them now.
If you don't hunt them now, we're going to get to a situation where it's going to be a problem.
And the last problem you want is a fucking wolf problem.
Imagine wolves start just jacking people again on a regular basis.
And we'll think how fucking stupid we were to let ourselves get to a situation where we built the murderer population back then.
The people murderers.
ari shaffir
Imagine if I was walking down the street on Pasadena, just a wolf.
I'd be like, don't go outside for all night.
joe rogan
Packs of them.
Snarling, eating babies.
brian redban
Yeah, we just have bears here in Pasadena.
They do.
That bear that keeps on coming down from the woods and is going to people's swimming pools.
joe rogan
Yeah, with its babies.
It's come down with its babies before.
They've even had, in Altadena, they had mountain lions chilling in this lady's driveway.
ari shaffir
They had one in Santa Monica.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had to shoot it.
ari shaffir
They had to kill it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a big one, too, man.
Yeah, it was a big-ass fucking 200-pounder.
ari shaffir
It's like, hey, we made an agreement.
Stay over there, and we stay over here.
joe rogan
Dude, how big?
I'm saying 200 pounds.
I think that's how big it was.
That's what I remember.
ari shaffir
How big is your big dog?
Like 90 pounds?
joe rogan
With Johnny?
Johnny is 140. So he's way bigger than that.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Jesus.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Is that true?
Is it really 200 pounds?
I know they get that big.
ari shaffir
Was there any moment right before you pulled the trigger?
Were you just zoned in?
Or were you like, let me think about what I'm about to do right now?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I didn't think that.
I just wanted to make sure that I got the right shot.
It's hard.
200 yards is a really far distance to shoot.
That's why I tried to get the bullet to go through his heart.
It didn't go through his heart.
It landed right above the heart.
A couple inches above the heart is where the spine is.
That's where it hit him and dropped him.
ari shaffir
Why do they tell you not to go with a head?
joe rogan
Because it's harder to hit.
Mountain Lion killed in Santa Monica is probably seeking a home.
Oh, poor baby.
ari shaffir
You think?
joe rogan
It's probably just seeking a home.
Yeah.
How big is it?
Come on, you fucks.
ari shaffir
While you're waiting for Joe to look at that information, go buy Revenge for the Holocaust.
My new CD on iTunes and Amazon and CD Baby.
joe rogan
Powerful are we, Shafi?
brian redban
That was really weird that you called me Pokemon earlier and you had no idea that I had Pokemon in my car, Joe.
joe rogan
Maybe I did know.
Maybe I knew you, silly bitch.
brian redban
How would you know?
I never talked about it.
joe rogan
Brian, I'm tuned into the universe.
I'm a hunter now.
ari shaffir
Why do you have a Pokemon costume?
joe rogan
I'm connected to the spirit of the wild.
brian redban
Brain scanning me, man.
ari shaffir
Why do you...
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
That is really fucking weird, though, because I don't think I've told you.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm a fucking brain scanner.
unidentified
Because it's Pokemon!
brian redban
Yeah, but we've never talked Pokemon ever.
I've never talked Pokemon ever.
joe rogan
But if any one of us would have a Pokemon outfit, you would be the winner of that gamble.
brian redban
That's weird.
ari shaffir
The Christians would say this is a sign from God.
brian redban
I put it in my car on the way here.
I just got it this morning.
joe rogan
Brian, I don't know if you know this, but I know that you're a silly bitch.
brian redban
You're stalking me.
You're hunting me, aren't you?
joe rogan
I know, you're a silly bitch.
ari shaffir
Wait, why do you have a Pokemon costume?
joe rogan
I understand silly bitches.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's Halloween's coming up.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Fucking Halloween.
brian redban
I hate it so much.
joe rogan
Word.
ari shaffir
It's so much pressure.
brian redban
I got a gorilla outfit, but it was way too hot.
I don't see how anyone could wear a gorilla outfit.
joe rogan
Why is it pressure, Ari?
You're so negative and angry.
ari shaffir
You gotta put something on, and it's like if you don't, then it becomes like, oh, you didn't do it.
brian redban
Just get one of these.
ari shaffir
If you do, you gotta explain it.
I just wanna, oh, come on.
brian redban
Ari, this is like pajamas.
It feels just, it's so soft.
You just put it on, it just feels like you're wearing pajamas.
joe rogan
You should wear that everywhere you go, just so people know what your real personality is like.
brian redban
It'll be like Minnie Dean everywhere.
joe rogan
Why fuck around, man?
Just wear that everywhere.
That would actually be cool if we never addressed it, if you wore that at every podcast.
brian redban
If that was my part.
ari shaffir
That's where you went.
joe rogan
Yeah, why not, man?
brian redban
Okay.
joe rogan
It smells so bad.
unidentified
It's cool.
joe rogan
I like it.
It covers up your headphones.
It makes you look mysterious back there.
ari shaffir
You look like that DJ. Who?
joe rogan
Deadmau5?
brian redban
Deadmau5.
joe rogan
You're Pokemau5.
brian redban
Have you seen Deadmau5's and Kat Von D's Twitter lately, by the way?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
Every single tweet is, I love you.
No, I love you.
I love you.
joe rogan
They're in love, man.
brian redban
It's so silly.
ari shaffir
Are they dating?
joe rogan
He makes good music.
brian redban
They live together now.
joe rogan
She's hot as fuck.
ari shaffir
God, it's the worst when people fall in love and they feel like we've got to make it public as possible.
unidentified
Aww.
joe rogan
Oh, someone's a hater.
ari shaffir
Everybody does it.
It's so like, dude, nobody cares.
joe rogan
It's worse than eating babies and shitting in people's mouths while they're sleeping.
It's the worst.
The worst, Ari.
brian redban
The worst.
unidentified
The worst thing ever, ever, ever, ever.
I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.
ari shaffir
It's just so annoying.
It's just like, we get it.
We're all bored with you now.
joe rogan
Can't you just let them be in their glory?
unidentified
For what?
ari shaffir
For like a month?
They have to keep hearing about it, seeing a post about it?
joe rogan
Look, he's so negative.
It's not funny.
He's so negative.
brian redban
What if they were tweeting on an airplane and they put their seats back and you were sitting behind them and they were tweeting?
ari shaffir
And they were tweeting.
Oh, that would be the worst, too.
joe rogan
That's the worst?
brian redban
What is the worst?
unidentified
The Holocaust?
joe rogan
Is the Holocaust the worst?
ari shaffir
No, none of that is the worst.
brian redban
He gets pissed.
I had to sit in front of him the other day.
ari shaffir
Anyone who leans their seat back all the way is just saying, I don't respect the person's...
Boundaries in any way behind me are their feelings that I may be crushing their legs.
joe rogan
No, they're saying, I would like my seat to go back.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and I don't care about what anyone else is doing.
That doesn't get your legs out of the way.
It still crushes them.
joe rogan
Everybody's seat has a little button.
unidentified
So what?
joe rogan
That's what you're allowed to do.
ari shaffir
So then you're allowed to go back as far as they let you?
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
And what if they let you go a little further back?
Would you go a little further back?
joe rogan
As long as that was what was agreed to.
ari shaffir
And what if they let you go all the way back to where you're lying on somebody's lap?
Would you do that?
Or would you use your own mind to say that somebody's sitting back there?
joe rogan
You need some yoga and some Vicodin.
ari shaffir
I would never do that to someone.
I would never smash their fucking legs with my chair.
joe rogan
You're acting like it's a violent act.
ari shaffir
It is violent.
brian redban
So you don't feel like you want to...
What?
You don't feel like you want to put your seat back at a point?
ari shaffir
I'm sure I do.
brian redban
I am so uncomfortable, especially being a tall gentleman.
ari shaffir
Yes, I do.
But I don't put it back because someone is sitting back there.
brian redban
No, but they're designed for that.
ari shaffir
Who cares how far they're designed?
It's annoying.
You can't type in your computer if somebody leans back.
joe rogan
You need to get rich enough to get a private chat.
ari shaffir
You can't ever look at your laptop when somebody's leaning back in front of you.
brian redban
He's talking about coach, Joe.
He's talking about coach.
I forget.
ari shaffir
It just shows a lack of caring about other humans.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't, Ari.
ari shaffir
Yes, it does.
joe rogan
It shows you want to lean your seat back.
ari shaffir
Yes, I know.
That's the desire.
That's the reason you're doing it.
But everyone does it.
It's not a reason to do anything!
joe rogan
It is, because it's a comfort thing.
ari shaffir
Because everyone does it.
joe rogan
And it's an agreement.
Yours leans back, mine leans back.
ari shaffir
If you know you're less comfortable when somebody's smashing into your legs, then do it to someone else.
It's a horrible act.
It's a horrible, selfish act.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
ari shaffir
Yes, it is.
You know how bad it is.
joe rogan
You have to deal...
ari shaffir
If you were a one-year-old whose legs didn't go off the chair, I could see it because he wouldn't know what it felt like to someone to go back on him.
When you're not able to use your computer at all...
joe rogan
You are a very tall guy and your legs get in the way when someone tries to lean their seat back.
If you're crossing your legs, you can't fit.
However, me and Brian are stubby and we fit in fine.
So it's a completely different situation.
You also are like...
That's like a version of it being like a big giant fat guy that doesn't fit in a seat.
brian redban
I actually kind of like it when I'm laying back and the ones in front of me is laying back.
It's like a little SkyMall blanket.
I feel more protected like no one's going to rack me in the balls.
joe rogan
Oh, SkyMall blanket.
ari shaffir
You guys are selfish.
joe rogan
Selfish?
ari shaffir
Both selfish.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
I don't see it that way.
ari shaffir
Really?
Causing someone pain and saying I choose not to think about it is not selfish?
joe rogan
It doesn't cause me pain, man.
ari shaffir
No, it causes someone else pain.
joe rogan
Someone in front of me cleans back.
ari shaffir
You haven't sat in coach in 12 years.
joe rogan
Someone in front of me sat in coach this weekend.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but hey, it's the worst.
If you have your thing out and you're on your computer, you can't be on your computer anymore.
It's too far back.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't.
That's it.
ari shaffir
So, that's annoying, but you'll still inflict that on someone else for the joy of leaning a little.
joe rogan
If you want to, you can do that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're allowed.
joe rogan
The law allows it.
ari shaffir
This is why government doesn't work, because everyone's corruptible.
You're not there to be on your computer.
You're not there to do anything!
joe rogan
You're not there to lean back!
You're there to sit in your seat and travel.
ari shaffir
You're there to get somewhere.
You know who's fault it is?
brian redban
It's the airline's fault, not me for leaning my seat back.
unidentified
No, because humans can't be trusted to think about others.
ari shaffir
Honestly, if they let you go as far back as you wanted, all the way back, a bunch of you motherfuckers would keep doing it.
joe rogan
They would.
ari shaffir
They would.
They were like, I don't know, it goes there, so I'm just gonna do it.
joe rogan
And then more people would get ahead, because girls just would not be able to help themselves.
It'd be dicks right next to their face.
ari shaffir
It's an asshole move.
We don't know what's happening.
brian redban
I agree.
joe rogan
Oh, Ari, you're really exaggerating here.
ari shaffir
I'm not.
joe rogan
Wait till you read.
ari shaffir
I don't like it.
It's selfish.
Everyone knows what it does to people, but you do it anyway.
It's just a small, selfish act.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that selfish.
No, you don't.
ari shaffir
Selfish people never think they're doing anything wrong with people.
joe rogan
Oh, selfish people.
No.
It's just you're a very tall guy, man.
It's very different for you than it is for me or Brian.
ari shaffir
Okay, so do you see if there's a tall guy behind you?
Do you look and say, oh, there's a tall guy behind me.
I'm not going to do this.
brian redban
You're like a fat person on a plane.
You need to understand that you're tall.
You need to spend the extra $40, do the business upgrade class or whatever, exit row.
And that's what you have to do.
ari shaffir
If I see a short person behind me, I still don't leave my chair back because I fucking disrupt them.
joe rogan
Aw, you're a sweetie.
I'm just not selfish in that act.
That's you, Ari.
brian redban
I just like the fact that when somebody does lean his seat back, instead of going, ma'am, I'm very tall, blah, blah, blah, blah, he just starts kicking it and hitting it.
joe rogan
Well, I think that was before you did mushrooms.
ari shaffir
That was six years ago.
But I still do get very annoyed.
joe rogan
He gets annoyed, but he doesn't even respond violently.
brian redban
You don't do that?
ari shaffir
Sometimes I do this.
I say, just so you know, you're going to make things very uncomfortable for me, and I'm going to be in pain.
I'm going to have pain in my knee because you lean back.
I know you're allowed, but But just know that's what's going to happen to me.
joe rogan
Why don't you just ask them?
Would you please, would you mind?
I have knee operations and I'm all fucked up and gangly.
Would you mind just moving your seat up a little bit?
unidentified
I'm 6'3".
ari shaffir
I'm not that tall.
It's not crazy.
brian redban
I'm 5'8".
Yeah, you are.
That's so tall.
You're taller than average.
Most people are like me and Joe's size.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but you know where that difference is?
You're just talking about knee to waist.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's the only difference in terms of where it affects your seat.
joe rogan
What about cock?
ari shaffir
So those 5 inches?
joe rogan
Is your cock getting in the way, buddy?
ari shaffir
7 inches.
My cock does not get in the way.
It adds that much more.
brian redban
Frothy loads.
Frothy sink loads.
joe rogan
Your cock doesn't get crossed up.
You can do that weird thing where you can actually fold one leg over the top.
My little troll legs don't work that way.
I can't fold my leg over the top of my leg.
My legs are just fat.
brian redban
Try to do it.
joe rogan
I can only wear certain types of pants.
Most pants I can't wear.
Like Levi's 501s.
I can't even get those on.
If they fit my waist, they never fit my legs.
They get onto my legs and they just lock up halfway.
ari shaffir
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because you have thick thighs?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because I feel like a troll.
I'm 5'8", 190 pounds.
And most of it's in my legs and my ass.
ari shaffir
5'8", 190?
You guys are both 5'8"?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
How much do you weigh?
brian redban
210. Jesus.
joe rogan
Men are so different than women.
If a girl ever did that to her friend, what do you weigh?
210?
brian redban
Jesus!
joe rogan
You'd be such an asshole!
ari shaffir
At the end of the friendship.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny?
Women are allowed to do that.
It's something they're allowed to do.
ari shaffir
Allowed to do what?
joe rogan
Allowed to keep that, you know, like, you're not supposed to talk about how much a girl weighs, or you can't, like, ask her and then, like, get in her face like, you fat fuck!
You can't say that.
ari shaffir
Putting it on the pounds lately, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't say that.
You're an asshole if you do.
But with guys, like, look at you, you fat fuck.
ari shaffir
You know why?
joe rogan
It's lack of respect.
Guys do it all the time.
ari shaffir
It's lack of respect for women.
That's why we don't do it.
Because we're like, they can't handle it.
unidentified
No, they're sensitive.
ari shaffir
They're little babies that we can't fucking trust with real feelings.
joe rogan
Well, we have testosterone, man.
Testosterone is a ruthless fucking hormone.
ari shaffir
Speak for yourself.
brian redban
I'm getting there.
joe rogan
I'm taking zinc for frothy loads.
By the way, Onnit is going to have a testosterone-boosting formula.
We found out there's a bunch of things besides zinc and magnesium.
There's something called Tongat Ali, and there's a bunch of different herbs that have been shown, and actual real clinical tests to up testosterone when you take them for more than 10 or 11 days.
brian redban
Yeah, Aubrey was saying that he tried the ZMA Max or whatever that zinc thing was, and it just made him shit a lot, like diarrhea.
joe rogan
I've never had that problem.
He must have got a bad batch, or it was confusing it because he was also doing tequila and meth.
ari shaffir
It's tough to isolate.
joe rogan
I met a dude this weekend who had a stroke from meth.
brian redban
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, we went to a bar and this guy came in with his friend.
His friend was 25 years old and he had a stroke from doing meth at 23. 23?
Yep.
brian redban
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's learning to reuse his body again.
It's fucking crazy.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Meth is a motherfucker.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's one thing you have to deal with in places like Montana.
There's a lot of meth problems in those places.
ari shaffir
I make jokes about pills sometimes, and when I get away from LA or New York, I think, oh, you're not going to get it because you guys don't.
And then it hit me, like Indianapolis, Kansas City.
I'm like, oh, this is where pills are.
This is where meth is.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Pills are everywhere, man.
We live in a really strange world because in the middle of this whole debate on marijuana that keeps going on in the public eye, When you see it on CNN... Pills are everywhere.
While this is happening, while this is marijuana and distraction, there are so many pill junkies in this country.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so much.
joe rogan
Monster, monster numbers.
And no one's doing shit about it.
There's a lot of meth heads in this country, too.
unidentified
A lot.
joe rogan
And no one's doing shit about it.
And then you see cops...
They're just dressing up like high school students and pretended to be high school students trying to get them to sell them weed.
Like, really?
Why are you not busting the meth labs, you fuck?
You're not done.
You didn't do your work.
You're going to go after high school kids selling weed.
ari shaffir
High schoolers selling marijuana should be the last thing you have to get there.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It should be.
ari shaffir
Even if it's illegal.
joe rogan
We've cured all the murder.
We've resolved who committed all the murders.
We've put everybody in jail.
We've cleaned up the streets.
We're down to zero crime.
Okay, how about high school kids who sell weed?
All right, we'll go after that.
ari shaffir
Get all the other drugs first.
joe rogan
We'll have utopia.
Look at Ari.
ari shaffir
I look like I'm the guy in the front.
joe rogan
You're so uncomfortable.
brian redban
Putting up a picture that's kind of drawn in the same way as the instructions that are in planes telling you where the exits are, but it's a guy very uncomfortable with the seat in front of him.
joe rogan
Getting his knees smashed.
You should just jerk off into people's hair.
ari shaffir
It seems perfect.
Just put it in there a little bit.
joe rogan
That would be very, very rude.
ari shaffir
That would be a violation.
joe rogan
It is fucking rude, though, how they shove so many goddamn seats onto a plane.
unidentified
I know!
It's ridiculous.
ari shaffir
It's like we're cattle now!
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's such not a seat.
What's really funny is they tempt you at the airport.
At the airport, you get to sit in those seats waiting to get on the plane.
And those are great.
ari shaffir
Those aren't bad.
Those are great.
joe rogan
And you're like, hey, hey, hey.
Okay, obviously you know what size seats should be.
Okay?
Because you got them everywhere, you fuck.
You're teasing me.
ari shaffir
You're aware.
It's not like you have no idea of what size seats should be.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got them all over this fucking gate.
They're everywhere.
And then I get on.
You're like, oh, we forgot.
We forgot.
We forgot what size it is.
We're going to make them half that size, right?
That's okay.
No, it's not okay, asshole.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Callan and I were sitting next to each other, and I'm not a big guy, man.
But I'm touching the airplane on my left side and touching him on my right side.
ari shaffir
Can't we do three rows of two instead of two rows of three?
joe rogan
That's exactly what it should be.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Just make it tighter to get it round.
joe rogan
It should be rows of two, and it should be more space in between the rows.
I guess you have to pay a little bit more for that.
People don't want to do that, but man, I just feel like the way they're doing it now, it's so cattle-like.
brian redban
It should be beds, like bunk bed style.
It should be people on top of people, so you're kind of laying down.
In a bunk bed.
ari shaffir
That wouldn't be bad.
joe rogan
Old people couldn't do it.
brian redban
No, old people would be on the bottom.
joe rogan
Some old people can barely stand up.
ari shaffir
Old people have the seats.
joe rogan
You can't crawl out.
ari shaffir
Just have a bunch of beds in the back.
joe rogan
People would start fucking too.
ari shaffir
That's not a problem.
That's living your life.
There should be a lot of stuff in your sky cabin.
joe rogan
You say that, Ari, because you're what's called a pervert.
You're what's called a young delinquent running around out there with no responsibility trying to fuck on airplanes, okay?
But that's not good for society.
ari shaffir
I've never fucked on an airplane.
Have you fucked on an airplane?
joe rogan
I've jerked off on airplanes.
ari shaffir
Has anyone not jerked off on an airplane?
joe rogan
If you are, how dare you?
You need to take some more chances in your life.
Yeah.
I just think that you can't give people too many opportunities to fuck.
They would just never get any work done.
We'd never have iPads if people would just fuck whenever they wanted to.
Yeah, it would suck, man.
What if they talked really loud?
Oh, yeah, baby, put it in my shitter.
Like, hey, I'm trying to read.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you whore.
You fucking whore, bitch.
joe rogan
You like this?
You guys are going to make me jerk off.
Okay, I'm going to jerk off.
ari shaffir
Mind your own business, man.
They fucked their heads up.
joe rogan
Don't jerk off on me, bro.
ari shaffir
Take a picture.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
My loads don't shoot that far.
I'm aiming towards you.
It won't reach you.
Trust me.
ari shaffir
Take a video.
You got no Wi-Fi.
joe rogan
Can you imagine you just jerking off straight at the guy?
He's like three feet away.
You're like, don't worry, dude.
I'll never hit.
And then just by some crazy streak, you wind to hit the longest jizz shot ever.
It's almost like you manifested it with the secret.
ari shaffir
My friend Josh made this bet with us that if he laid on a table, he could jerk off and hit the ceiling.
Lower ceiling than this.
He's like, I'll bet you all right now.
And we're like, literally, none of us want to watch you do that.
unidentified
Wow, that's a guy.
I believe you.
ari shaffir
I was just hoping.
joe rogan
Oh, gosh, this isn't going to work.
Come on, suck my cock.
Who wants in?
ari shaffir
That is it.
He just wanted a bunch of guys to watch him jerk off.
unidentified
Think of that.
ari shaffir
It was high school.
joe rogan
Of course, that guy's queer as fuck.
ari shaffir
Of course.
brian redban
He would have just come and dripped out.
joe rogan
Cut to that guy right now.
They're roasting him like a pig over a hole.
One guy's got one in his ass, one guy's got one in his dick, and they got him hogtied.
They're just spinning him.
Spinning him butt and mouth.
ari shaffir
And he's like, this is so much better than high school.
Wouldn't even watch me jerk off there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That guy's gay as fuck.
ari shaffir
I didn't even think about that.
joe rogan
He's on a rotisserie right now, spinning around cocks.
Why don't people jizz on the sides and glaze them up?
Can you imagine?
ari shaffir
Everything back to scenarios that were gay before you knew what gay was or were aware that it actually could be around.
joe rogan
I knew what gay was really young.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I moved to San Francisco when my family did when I was seven.
And our next door neighbors were gay and my aunt used to go next door and smoke weed with them and get naked with them.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, because they were gay.
They didn't want to have nothing to do with her.
So they would all take off all their clothes.
They would get high together and they would all play bongos.
And I was like seven.
And I remember they were really friendly.
They weren't creepy at all.
They were very nice.
They were very nice neighbors.
Yeah, they were very nice people.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
And so my earliest encounters with gay people was very positive.
It was like our neighbors were gay.
Really nice guys.
The whole neighborhood was gay.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, nobody's a big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
San Francisco was really fucking gay in the 70s.
It's interesting how there's like places that...
Well, I was Asian back then too.
There was always a lot of Asians.
It's interesting how places back then...
There's places that are just decidedly gay.
This is the gay area.
Like Santa Monica.
Here's the gay area.
This is Santa Monica Boulevard.
This is West Hollywood.
This is the gay area.
ari shaffir
My friend called it Mecca.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, sure.
For gay dudes.
ari shaffir
Mecca.
joe rogan
Awesome.
Gay dudes, man.
I'm telling you, besides the persecution and the fact that people don't want them to get married, they have the fucking life.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
If they really enjoy being gay...
ari shaffir
I'll take a walk with you one day, down near my place.
joe rogan
No, you won't.
I'll be in my car, windows rolled up, sunglasses on.
ari shaffir
You walk by these places.
joe rogan
Raccoon hat on.
Daniel Boone hat on.
Fake mustache.
ari shaffir
They all sit there and they get wings during the day and stuff and eat and drink and talk.
And they're all just smiling and happy.
And it's like...
You're all just around pussy all day long.
You're just in a good mood.
They have good jobs.
Everyone pays their own way.
joe rogan
Some women get turned on by guys that are fucked up and perverted and aggressive.
They get turned on by...
Just manly shit, like manly, violent sort of behavior.
unidentified
Some do too.
joe rogan
But some women don't.
One thing is the women will never totally understand it because they're not a woman.
Just like a man's never going to totally understand what it's like to be pregnant, will never be able to wrap your head around wanting a baby to grow inside you, or wanting a dick in your mouth or in your pussy.
You're not going to be able to wrap your head around that.
You're not a woman.
And I think what gay guys have going for them is they're fucking men.
They understand what it's like to be a man.
There's no confusion.
They're turned on by men and they are men.
So it's like everybody knows what the fuck is up.
Whereas it's not like this charade that you have to play when you're trying to get a girl to like you.
ari shaffir
You're going to have to ask for like a BJ or something and hint at it.
If that was a man there, he'd be like, oh, you're drunk.
Let me blow you and get you to bed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, unless he was a greedy bitch.
He didn't want to blow you.
He just wanted you to blow him all the time.
Apparently, that happens in a lot of gay relationships.
There's this weird master-slave sort of thing.
ari shaffir
This right here, too, it's mostly not butt-fucking.
It's almost all oral on handjobs.
joe rogan
Handjobs?
How dare you?
How horny are you?
How dare they?
ari shaffir
Handjobs also means inserting stuff into your asshole as they fucking jerk you off.
joe rogan
Oh, well now you're talking a party.
ari shaffir
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
That's like one of those freeze-dried foods once you add the hot water.
Woo!
ari shaffir
It all pops out.
joe rogan
Yeah, let the party begin.
ari shaffir
Beautiful, like the fucking Peter Pan.
What was it where you add water to it?
What movie was that?
It was some fantastical movie.
joe rogan
It's interesting that people have a problem with gay people.
It's interesting that people, I think they worry about gay people being pedophiles.
There's a big difference between being a pedophile and being gay.
And there's a lot of gay people that have nothing to do with young guys.
In fact, one of Brian Cowan's friends was a gay guy, and he was attracted to guys like John McCain's age.
He was attracted to older businessmen.
ari shaffir
My friend Rachel's into girls that are older.
She was like, yeah, I'm dating this 52-year-old now.
I was like, ew, Rachel!
unidentified
52?
ari shaffir
Ew!
But then I realized the 52-year-old is just getting a younger chick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe she likes it because she takes care of her or something.
ari shaffir
I was like, is it all saggy and shit?
She goes, Ari, shut up.
I'm like, is it?
unidentified
It is!
joe rogan
It's just wrinkly gray skin.
She just slaps it on her face like a dead octopus.
Slaps it on her face like a dead octopus.
ari shaffir
Slaps it on her lips, over your ears.
joe rogan
All she does is stick her tongue out unenthusiastically and the big lesbian just grinds her clit on her tongue.
Just keep her tongue out.
That face-hugger pussy just rubs up and down her tongue.
She doesn't really lick the pussy as much as she just sits there with her tongue out.
And this look on her face.
He's like this.
This big, fucking, giant, floppy, face-hugger pussy.
Fucking right there.
Fucking right there, you bitch.
Oh, keep your tongue out.
Keep your tongue out.
I'm getting thirsty.
I'm almost done.
unidentified
I'm almost done.
joe rogan
Get thirsty.
Imagine someone's complaining.
Like, you don't know.
When you complain about getting thirsty, she starts from scratch, you fucking selfish cunt.
Just keep your tongue out there and shut the fuck up.
Do you want to drive a Range Rover?
You do, okay?
Well, this woman's going to get you a Range Rover.
But you've got to keep your tongue out.
ari shaffir
It's a good deal.
It's a small price to pay for a Range Rover.
It works off-road.
joe rogan
Get you a Range Rover, you fucking bitch.
unidentified
Get you a fucking Range Rover.
joe rogan
The aggressive female gay type.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I like to see people angry about gays.
What is that exactly?
unidentified
They're fools.
ari shaffir
No, no, but what is it?
joe rogan
They're confused.
unidentified
It's not just fools.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that.
I think they're scared.
They're scared that somehow or another, that the gay person somehow or another is going to get a hold of them and turn them into a gay person or something.
ari shaffir
Dudes are so scared of being gay that they will not let A woman touch their asshole or do anything with it because gay people have used that in an accent where they will not allow a woman to make it.
They can't even appreciate their own body in any way.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're suppressed.
We're all fucked up, man.
ari shaffir
I can't fucking do that shit.
joe rogan
You can't?
ari shaffir
Some girl's like, I'm going to strap on a dildo and fuck you.
I'm like, I know that's not gay in any way.
joe rogan
You have butt problems.
That doesn't sound like fun at all.
That does not sound like fun.
A girl putting on a strap on and fucking you.
Like, who are you and what are you trying to do?
Because, okay, you don't even feel that strap on, you crazy bitch.
It's not like it's a part of your body.
ari shaffir
Patrice used to like fucking hookers with dildos.
unidentified
Okay.
ari shaffir
Like pushing it into them.
joe rogan
I don't get that.
I really don't get that.
ari shaffir
Same sort of thing.
Me neither.
joe rogan
But everybody's got their own thing.
ari shaffir
Everybody's got their own thing.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with it, as long as you make an agreement with said hooker.
ari shaffir
Hey, listen.
Right before I come, I've got to stick my finger in my ear.
joe rogan
Yeah, you wrap it down.
You know, sex is such a weird thing because it's all just about what feels good to your body.
That's what it's about.
It's about people doing things to each other's body that make them feel good.
But there's so many negative connotations.
First of all, the diseases.
That's a big one.
I read that, like, gonorrhea, that there were something like 300,000 cases of gonorrhea in America in 2010. In America?
Yes!
Yes!
300...
I'll work it up right now, because I think...
Yeah, 300,000 cases of gonorrhea.
ari shaffir
That's one out of, like, 1,300 people.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
I know 1,300 people.
Oh, of course I know someone who has gonorrhea, too.
brian redban
Yeah.
That seems about normal.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's totally right.
brian redban
I would be more shocked with...
ari shaffir
No, no, but just got it.
Just got it.
brian redban
I'd be more shocked with crabs.
Like, I never hear crabs.
ari shaffir
Who has crabs anymore?
I've never even heard of crabs.
brian redban
Did they kill them all?
joe rogan
According to August 9, 2012, there were approximately 300 reported cases of gonorrhea each year.
ari shaffir
300?
joe rogan
300,000.
unidentified
300,000.
ari shaffir
In America or across?
joe rogan
Yeah, in America.
I was right.
ari shaffir
Now, is gonorrhea the one that comes back and gets cured, or is that the one you get forever?
joe rogan
Yeah, you cure it.
You get a little shot of penicillin.
ari shaffir
That's the one they did in Border Rock Empire where they had to shoot this thing up your dickhole and pull up and strain it all out.
joe rogan
So let's stop and think about that.
There's probably a lot of money in treating gonorrhea.
Think about the amount of money.
What if we found out that the medicine responsible for treating gonorrhea was also responsible for commercials that shows chicks acting like whores?
Like you thought they were selling Nikes, but really they're selling pussy because it's partially sponsored by the gonorrhea medication.
ari shaffir
They're just trying to get them going.
joe rogan
Yeah, like there's dudes that are gonorrhea mercenaries, and they go out there, they give them gonorrhea, and then there's like the guys that are studs, they just can fuck a lot of bitches, and they infest a whole town with gonorrhea just so they can sell the medication.
ari shaffir
Like the guy from Clerks who's trying to help people stop smoking so he can chew gum, and they found out he's from the Chewley Gum Factory.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that would be hilarious if they were doing that to spread disease.
Bring down girls.
They make porn everywhere.
They try to just make it have more gonorrhea.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's a weird thing about the strange groups of, like, the branch-off groups of gay people.
ari shaffir
I mean, branch-off.
joe rogan
You know, those weird branches.
What is the expression?
Not branch-off, but whatever.
What I'm talking about is bug chasers.
Oh, people want AIDS? Yeah, dudes who go out and try to get HIV positive.
They want guys to shoot loads in their ass and make them HIV positive.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's like, what?
ari shaffir
They're so tied in with, like, this is a gay disease grids.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is a crazy request, though.
The idea that you want to go and get AIDS. Like, you're trying to go out and get HIV. Like, what?
But that just goes to show you that there's that many crazy people.
People are so fucking nuts.
There's a certain amount of people that want to tattoo their face and stretch out their lips and stretch out their ears.
There's a certain amount of people that want to fucking pierce their dicks.
ari shaffir
There's a certain amount of people that want AIDS. I saw two people with those giant, like those big round half dollar or full coin dollar size earrings in.
They pushed it out.
A guy and a girl.
And the guy came up to me after Portland and said hi and stuff.
And I was like, are you guys together?
joe rogan
Both with your crazy ears.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a restaurant that we were at in Montana.
A dude who was working there has ears like that.
ari shaffir
Can your ears go back?
joe rogan
No.
No, you have to get them stitched up.
Yeah, that's no joke.
That's pretty serious.
I mean, literally, they have to go in and they have to pull your fucking meat together and stitch it up.
And they probably have to cut some of it off.
ari shaffir
Ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, you would have to cut some of it off.
joe rogan
You'd have to cut some of it off.
Yeah, it's fucking gross, man.
It's a weird thing that people want to do.
Like, I saw this pretty girl the other day.
She's really pretty.
She came to the show, and afterwards, she had this giant ring in her nose, like a bullring.
I hate it.
ari shaffir
Massive one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was like, that...
I mean...
ari shaffir
It's aesthetics.
joe rogan
I'm not into it.
I'm not into it, so I can never judge.
ari shaffir
But you like the girl with tattoos, though, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't mind.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's pretty hot.
joe rogan
That's hot.
Yeah, especially if it's good work.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if it's good clear, and it's got red and black, not just all black, it's like, ooh...
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And it also shows she's just dirty.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's just getting drilled on.
She could take the pain.
That's a girl who could take a serious fucking, you know, girls who, like, complain a lot about stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They should get their phone on.
20 fucks.
That was one of the weirdest things, man, is this little thing called vibrate.
ari shaffir
I forgot about it.
joe rogan
That's one of the weirdest things about being there was no cell phone, no email, no nothing for five days.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that must have been cool.
joe rogan
It was strange.
You got a lot of energy in, man.
I wonder how much...
ari shaffir
And you think it's just from that, not the being outside?
brian redban
It's probably, yeah, the air.
It's probably everything, yeah.
joe rogan
All the above.
I think it's walking around.
ari shaffir
I left my phone at home last night for four hours at this comedy store.
joe rogan
Did you panic?
ari shaffir
But I did it on purpose.
I was like, nah, let me leave it here to charge.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
And I was like, I'll be okay at fucking...
11 p.m.
at night to whenever.
joe rogan
And you're talking about like down the street from your house.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So it's like nobody...
Yeah.
But you still got to concentrate on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're eventually going to become a symbiotic machine.
We're going to be part machine.
ari shaffir
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just going that way.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it would have to be.
joe rogan
We're already connected to your phone.
I mean, what difference does it make if they told you that we have a new phone that's more effective if you don't carry it?
We insert it into your thigh Oh, by the way, Brian, we're going to be able to upload all the shows live on YouTube as well now, and we'll be able to stream them on YouTube.
We've got a new thing going on.
Are we leaving you soon?
No, no, no.
We're going to do it at the same time.
Simultaneous.
brian redban
Simultaneous.
joe rogan
How about that?
That's possible, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Two feeds?
Two video feeds?
brian redban
We've got to get some hardcore bandwidth.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
We're going to get, I guess, two computers or something.
brian redban
I don't know.
Let's try it.
joe rogan
Let's see if we can try it.
Because otherwise we can at least upload them.
We can start uploading them to YouTube.
brian redban
Yeah, the problem I have with YouTube is that I've always tried to do the live streaming thing.
And it always never works right.
It crashes a lot.
joe rogan
Maybe we can try it.
We'll try it.
We'll see what's up.
I don't know what my internet's like at the new place.
We won't see until they're putting the bricks on the walls this week.
I'm making it fancy, folks.
I'm making it like Billy Joel's Italian Restaurant.
That's the theme.
unidentified
Bottle red, mmm, bottle white.
Whatever kind of mood you're in tonight.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just thought that they can get bricks.
First of all, there's two reasons for putting bricks in the wall.
The number one reason is to Joey Diaz the room.
brian redban
What the fuck?
unidentified
I got a Joey Diaz proof this cocksucker.
joe rogan
There's a business next door and I don't want Joey screaming through the walls.
I don't think it would show up.
So I'm taking significant steps to deaden some of the sound in the room.
And one of them is to put up a brick wall.
unidentified
Oh, the new place?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
I mean, cheaper is just get a big bubble, one of those bubble boy bubbles for Joey Diaz.
unidentified
Just going for it.
joe rogan
They take bricks that they wreck a building and they take bricks and they slice the veneer off the brick and they put that on a regular wall.
So it adds another wall layer.
So I figured that would be pretty good to prevent some sound.
And then I've also got these curtains that are going up that have a sound deadening backing to them.
ari shaffir
I'm putting those up as well.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's taking some time, folks, but it's because I'm doing it while I'm doing all these other things at the same time.
ari shaffir
How long do you think if you had the guests here over under?
joe rogan
This week is going to be the bricks will be done, the desk is done, so I have all the equipment in, so not that bad.
Once the bricks are up on the wall, and I got the wall painted...
ari shaffir
Before the end of the year?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
I think in December.
I think my goal is, before we do the End of the World show with Honey Honey and Diaz and Stanhope, that we do a podcast the night before.
That would be my goal.
Just to open up the studio that week and do a podcast there the night before.
But once we have an up and running, it's going to be just...
I just wanted to get a place that's going to be a place that I can kind of completely control the environment and make it as cool inside as I can.
Set it up as technologically perfect, technically perfect, a really nice big desk and have it fairly close to where I live.
ari shaffir
This place has really become fucking...
joe rogan
High-tech.
ari shaffir
Well, no, just the decor, I mean.
It's like a clubhouse.
joe rogan
This is inside Brian's brain.
ari shaffir
Yeah, this is.
joe rogan
If you could open up his brain with a can opener, the Hitler zombie would pop right out.
I had a crazy-ass dream the other night, man.
A weird alpha brain dream that I was on.
What do you got there, fella?
ari shaffir
Zero.
joe rogan
Your tail?
Okay.
This man's almost 40. Look at him.
Clutching a Coke Zero like he's in prison.
brian redban
Are you going trick-or-treating with the fam?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, bro.
ari shaffir
That's a cool part of Halloween.
That I would do.
joe rogan
We went trick-or-treating in Disneyland.
brian redban
Oh, wow.
ari shaffir
Did people come through your neighborhood and do it?
joe rogan
We did it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna go walk the neighborhood too.
What day is that?
The community that I live in has like a little thing.
They have like a little party.
They have like a little live DJ and stuff.
unidentified
It's kind of fun.
brian redban
Wednesday is the day that I have to turn off all my lights and not answer my door.
ari shaffir
Why?
unidentified
Why is that?
brian redban
Because it's annoying.
ari shaffir
You just turn off your porch light.
unidentified
It's so annoying.
ari shaffir
Can you have some candy?
You're like, no, candy's mine.
joe rogan
You have to hide.
unidentified
Ding dong, ding dong, ding dong, ding dong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I'm flying to Calgary this year on Halloween.
I got out of it.
Oh, really?
They want to fly there the day before, but it's Halloween.
I was like, oh, fuck yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Let's do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're working where?
ari shaffir
I can avoid it.
joe rogan
What's the club in Calgary?
ari shaffir
Yuck Yucks.
joe rogan
Oh, powerful Yuck Yucks.
Ladies and gentlemen, head on out to see Ari motherfucking Shafir.
You were with me in Calgary, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This year?
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
It was cool.
joe rogan
I'll get a lot of people come from that show.
ari shaffir
That was only 20 minutes.
It'll be an hour.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I bet you have a lot of new shit anyway.
You've been working on a lot of shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I'm starting to...
joe rogan
That's one of the cool things about everybody doing all these shows and putting out CDs like yours and Joey's is that we're constantly putting in new material.
It's fun.
ari shaffir
Well, it gives you a good reason to.
joe rogan
Yeah, I feel very challenged.
It feels fun.
ari shaffir
I haven't really felt like this since open mics.
I don't know how it was in Boston, but in LA it was the same people seeing you all the time.
So really every week you had to have something new or you're an asshole.
joe rogan
We're getting a lot of these people that are coming to a lot of the shows.
ari shaffir
At least every year.
joe rogan
There's a crazy little Grateful Dead thing going on.
ari shaffir
For me and Joey in Chicago.
November 8th, by the way.
People are flying in.
People are making meetups and stuff.
joe rogan
Of course they are.
ari shaffir
I love that shit.
joe rogan
We're going to have to figure out our own Gathering the Juggalos type situation.
unidentified
Duncan wants to do it in the desert, man!
brian redban
I want to go out with Manson!
joe rogan
Guys!
I'm telling you!
The Palm Springs area!
ari shaffir
We'll get handed so many mushrooms if we do that.
joe rogan
Let's go to Joshua Tree, man!
Let's fucking do it!
unidentified
I can't believe we did that!
brian redban
Joe, would you ever do this?
The guy Postapoc.
I've talked about him before.
He's like...
ari shaffir
Postapocalyptic?
brian redban
Postapoc.com guy.
joe rogan
What is he?
brian redban
He's the one that sent me that package once where I thought it was a bomb or something and it just ended up being a really cool pipe that he made.
He's always sending me cool things.
Anyways, he goes to thrift stores and buys old bottles of sodas.
Here, let me get to the point.
And he drinks them.
So this is like a 70-year-old bottle of grape soda.
ari shaffir
Dude, I did...
I purchased a Coke original.
brian redban
He's like...
ari shaffir
It's flat as shit, right?
brian redban
Well, it's acid-y and shit like that.
joe rogan
Is that his artwork in the background?
brian redban
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
That is a badass picture.
The dude with the gas mask.
brian redban
Yeah, his website's really badass.
joe rogan
By the way, the new Hire Primate gas mask monkey shirt is available.
And plus pictures of...
Go to hire-primate.com.
brian redban
But he drinks it and he says it tastes like copper almost.
joe rogan
Okay, well let's let him talk.
brian redban
Okay.
unidentified
Instead of a rubber gasket, it's real cork.
They have a little cork, real corkwood disc inside the bottle cap.
I thought that was botulism or fungus of some kind when I first opened it.
Thought we're going to have to end this video early.
joe rogan
We held this up to the light.
unidentified
We saw no floaties.
ari shaffir
What was he talking about?
joe rogan
No monsters or little squids or anything.
ari shaffir
Is he talking about himself?
joe rogan
Him and his personality.
brian redban
Him and the camera guy.
unidentified
He's like Roy Jones Jr. Smells strongly like grape Dymatap.
I mean, super strong grape flavor.
This could be fermented to all hell, and I could pour this down my throat, and you'll see it just burn right through my death squad shirt, right here.
joe rogan
Are we watching a guy just drinking soda?
unidentified
Yeah, but it's from 1947. Alright, it tastes like grape-flavored nasty pond water.
joe rogan
That really wasn't that interesting.
brian redban
I just thought it was weird.
Would you do that?
I would never do that.
ari shaffir
I drank a bottle of Coke Original.
I had these three of them saved from when I was little.
Really?
joe rogan
What'd it taste like?
ari shaffir
Super flat Coke, super flat Coke, pretty much.
joe rogan
Just Coke.
brian redban
He ends up puking in the video.
ari shaffir
Slightly off, but not much.
joe rogan
Of course.
ari shaffir
Does he really?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a silly bitch.
brian redban
You're not supposed to drink that.
joe rogan
Why are you drinking that?
Well, I don't understand why people would think that it's interesting to drink something gross that's been around for a long time.
ari shaffir
If it could last that long, like a wine, then sure, whatever.
But if it can't last that long, then what are you doing?
It's gone rotten.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing that people do with wines, you know?
Keep wines around for hundreds of years and then drink them or scotches.
ari shaffir
I love it.
That sounds like hoarding behavior.
It's like there's only a few left.
Just don't.
You gotta wait.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's what I do with weeds now.
I'll have a few different strains of weed, and if it would be good, I'll go through half of it right away.
And then I'll be like, oh, I only have half of it left.
So when it gets slower that I use it, and then I only go back to it every couple months, I'm like the last of the Maui Waui.
Let's just slow it down a little.
joe rogan
Why would you do that when you just get more?
ari shaffir
I always sort of forget that I can go get more.
I don't want it to be gone.
joe rogan
That's a problem living in parts of the country that's not like California.
The world really would change if the rest of the country was like Colorado and California.
Those are the two places where you can get weed anywhere.
ari shaffir
Do they not shut down dispensaries in Colorado?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
Only here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they shut them down a lot more here.
I'm sure they have shut down some of them in Colorado.
ari shaffir
We're a lot more on the radar.
joe rogan
They're on the radar in Colorado, man.
ari shaffir
But it's like people point to us here.
joe rogan
But it's more accepted, and I think it's more accepted by the people in Colorado than it is the people of L.A. The people of L.A., this is a little bit of a battle.
ari shaffir
In Portland, it was just everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Because they're all fucking nature boys, too, so they all grow shit.
It's part of their garden.
Like, yeah, I'll have a weed plant, too.
Everyone likes their own weed.
joe rogan
It's smart places.
In smart places, look, I'm not pro drugs, period, because some drugs are fucking terrible.
I'm not pro pills.
I'm not pro meth.
I'm not pro that.
But if you're not pro weed, you have to be a fucking idiot.
If you really think that there's something wrong with it and it's bad for society, you've got to be an idiot.
Or you're ignorant.
You don't understand what's really going on with it because it's really...
What's really going on is not a bad thing.
It's a humbling thing.
Everybody could use a little bit of humbling.
Sure, there's going to be some people that just sit around and smoke pot all day and don't get anything done.
But that's a psychological problem.
They have issues.
That issue could manifest itself that way, or it could manifest itself by them being perpetually late, or they could fucking sabotage themselves.
People have weird issues.
So they could sabotage themselves with weed or with anything else they choose to do it with.
That doesn't mean that it can't be used the right way.
unidentified
Silly bitches.
ari shaffir
Do you think people are burnouts because of weed or they're just burnouts and then they just go to weed?
brian redban
I think they're burnouts for weed.
ari shaffir
The weed helps it along too.
joe rogan
Well, anything can help you along if you don't have any resolve.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you don't have any fucking desire to accomplish things in life.
ari shaffir
If you smoke that shit weed.
joe rogan
It's a little bit of that.
Yeah, you smoke that fucking weed.
ari shaffir
That's a lot of it.
That's some good stuff.
joe rogan
Smoke that chronic dog.
brian redban
Some people, it just doesn't mix well, also.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
Yeah, there's some people where...
Look, people get fucking sick if you give them nuts.
ari shaffir
Could not get high.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard about that.
ari shaffir
I've heard of that.
Oh, I told you about it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's amazing.
joe rogan
I heard that works with DMT, too.
DMT just doesn't work on them.
Small percentage of people, but every now and then.
ari shaffir
I heard somebody went to a float lab, and she was like, no, it wasn't really any hallucinating.
It was just like...
joe rogan
A float lab?
ari shaffir
That's different.
Not like a floating tank or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, that takes some time.
The float tank is not like instant hallucinations.
You've got to really get comfortable with letting go and finding the center of your thoughts.
That's not easy.
It's easy to distract yourself.
ari shaffir
So what would you try to do?
joe rogan
You've got to get strong mentally.
You have to learn how to meditate.
When you get into a float tank, it's not as simple as you get in there and you start tripping.
Because you get in there, you're still thinking, oh my god, I'm floating.
Oh my god, this feels weird.
Where's the side?
It's right here.
Oh, my balls itch.
You start thinking a bunch of different things.
And you have to have control of your mind.
It's not as simple as you get in the float tank, boom, you have hallucinations.
You have to get in the float tank and you've got to start that process on your own.
You have to center yourself.
You have to concentrate only on your breath.
Drop everything slowly but surely.
Remove all the layers of consciousness, all the layers of letting go until you get to the center.
And that's when you start having these crazy visionary experiences.
ari shaffir
That's kind of like the same thing on mushrooms.
It's like when you're talking to your friends and laughing and stuff.
It's fine.
You don't listen to it.
And then you just stop and like...
Look up at the stars and just don't talk or listen to anyone.
That's when you start seeing shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
This guy just was telling me the other day about the same thing.
He went and he was more of just like, all right, I'm just bored.
I'm just laying here.
This is really stupid.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you don't know how to use it, it's like anything else.
You have to learn how to relax.
ari shaffir
Centering your thoughts and trying to get rid of all of them.
joe rogan
The idea behind the sensory deprivation tank is that there's no input coming in.
And when there's no input coming in, you can just sit there and go, Oh, this sucks.
I'm bored.
Or you can just slowly let go of all your consciousness to the point where you are just...
Your mind untethered from culture, from any interactive experience with nature, with gravity, with...
Seeing things or hearing things or touching things, you're removed from all sensory input.
And when you do that, you can have very clear and intense thoughts.
And you can also have some pretty powerful hallucinations if you allow yourself to manifest those ideas.
But you have to learn how to let go to do that.
You can't just get in there.
It doesn't just happen right away.
You start thinking about your life, you start thinking about things that you can't avoid, you start thinking about things that have been bothering you, maybe things you don't like about yourself.
Wouldn't we make your mind wander more?
No, not necessarily.
It depends on what's going on in your head, but for the most part, the weed just sort of accentuates the experience.
ari shaffir
I've done a small version of this on planes recently, where I've just taken some pot cookie or something, if it's going to be a long flight, and just say, you know, I'm not getting anything done here, but I'm not tired.
It's when I've slept, and it's like a 2 p.m.
flight or something.
Then I just look out the window, and I just stare out the window, and I just let my mind just go the entire time.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the only way I really get blasted these days is on planes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And the scenery enough from the outside can help you just start a synapse going a little bit.
joe rogan
Sure.
Also, it's like the only time I don't have any responsibilities.
I don't have to take care of my kids.
I don't have to be sober.
ari shaffir
There's no Wi-Fi.
It's even better.
It's like I can't do anything.
joe rogan
It's a great way to write, too.
Ten minutes.
ari shaffir
I'll leave a notebook on my lap.
If I get a thought that I'm like, Oh, that could work.
Then I quickly write it down.
joe rogan
I type so much better than I write.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
I hardly write anything anymore, and I can type pretty quick.
I type really quick now, so I have to type.
But I like it, man.
I really love writing on planes.
It's one of my favorite things.
I write some of my best shit ever on planes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
High as fuck.
ari shaffir
I really start flying later now so I can do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because it is a good place to just get away from everything and like...
joe rogan
Get things done.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you're sitting in that seat, you got nowhere to go and you got that laptop open.
You can get to work.
ari shaffir
I slept till noon.
I'm not, you know, cranked.
And then it's just like, now it's, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you feel now that you're having all the success and things are going well, you feel like even more motivated?
Like you're like fucking really hustling now and really putting in the work?
ari shaffir
Yeah, doing more stuff.
Doing more.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny how motion begets more motion?
ari shaffir
Yeah, people are a force of habit.
I think that's what it is.
And when people that work out all the time, it's just like that's your habit.
And when people don't all the time, then that's your habit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one thing that people have kept telling me over and over again from this podcast.
One of the things they pulled from it is that it's changed the way they sort of address and approach things.
And people, you know, sometimes people just need to hear something.
And that's like one of the reasons why I love that book, The War of Art.
I probably understand and have thought most of the things in that book on my own independently.
I think a lot of creative people are.
ari shaffir
You can't piece it together.
joe rogan
It's not that you can't piece it together.
Sometimes you need to read it again.
You need to see it again.
You need to be reminded again.
ari shaffir
Well, it's clearer when it's written out or when you can actually see it.
joe rogan
Or when it's spelled out or when someone says it in a way that resonates with how you feel about the world.
And I think that's one way that we can all help each other in a way that no one of past generations was able to do.
One of the different things about this sort of a medium, like a podcast medium.
ari shaffir
Quick contact with everyone in the world.
joe rogan
Quick contact with everyone in the world and you can express things in a way that you really couldn't do if you were sponsored by Palmolive or fucking Toyota trucks.
You know, it's like you would have never gotten all this information out as clearly as we're doing it right now.
ari shaffir
Yeah, just saying it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Strange times, Ari Shafir.
Powerful Ari Shafir of the Skeptic Tank on iTunes, you dirty, dirty bitches.
Check out Ari's podcast and buy his fucking CD. I had Mike Young last time.
Oh, how dare you.
ari shaffir
It was so good.
joe rogan
What happened?
ari shaffir
He just talks about how he's able to fucking, well, to fuck so much.
And how he's always had that power.
joe rogan
Well, he's a smooth talker.
ari shaffir
Dude, he's amazing.
joe rogan
Smooth operator.
unidentified
Smooth operator.
ari shaffir
Yeah, check out my website, aurethegreat.com.
Please.
My dates are on there.
joe rogan
Please check out my website.
ari shaffir
Please check out my website.
I'll be in Chicago and New York.
joe rogan
Say love me and I'll love you back.
ari shaffir
And love me and I'll love you back in Edmonton.
joe rogan
And you just got done doing a fucking return homecoming gig in the place where you started and you came back as a conquering hero.
ari shaffir
I felt good, dude.
joe rogan
I bet it did.
ari shaffir
You know how it's like at any level, no matter where you are, there's certain shows that are just important to you.
And it might not be because of money or anything.
joe rogan
You wanted to let everybody know.
That's where you started.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I had a bunch of friends from high school came out.
It was kind of cool.
My aunt came.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
ari shaffir
It was just like, and people were like, oh, it's like way different than last time.
I was like, yeah, I wrote a new hour.
joe rogan
You're fucking professional now.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it felt right now.
joe rogan
You're a real professional.
You're legit.
Too legit to quit.
Hey, hey.
Okay, this weekend, you fucking freaks.
San Francisco at the Knob Hill Masonic Center.
That is November the 2nd.
On Friday.
And then Saturday night, the Moore Theater in Seattle.
And that shit is sold out.
Both nights will be Brian Redband and Greg motherfucking Fitzsimmons with me.
So we're going to have some fun.
San Francisco and Seattle, you dirty bitches.
Tomorrow, the great Duncan Trussell will join us on the podcast.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Holla at your boy.
And we will also have a podcast on Wednesday.
I'm not sure who it's going to be.
We're working on a couple different guests.
unidentified
That's...
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
If you go to my website, if you're poor, I'm giving away four free tracks of my CD. Ooh, look at that.
joe rogan
Free shit from Ari.
Of course it is.
That was why I was number one on iTunes.
ari shaffir
Thank you all.
joe rogan
Validation.
ari shaffir
Thank you all very much.
joe rogan
Buy it again.
Let's see if we can bring that shit back to number one again.
ari shaffir
I think we can do it.
Back to number one.
joe rogan
I'm going to go buy one as soon as I get off the phone.
I'm not on the phone.
ari shaffir
I'm an artist.
joe rogan
What the fuck am I talking about?
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unidentified
Is that you?
joe rogan
It's all spelled out.
I didn't make the ding, you son of a bitch.
brian redban
I swear to God I did not do that.
joe rogan
That's the FBI telling us our time is up.
Maybe it's Ustream.
ari shaffir
It was the Ting.
That's the Ting.
brian redban
What the fuck was that?
joe rogan
No, we're still online.
brian redban
Oh, that's you.
joe rogan
You son of a gun!
ari shaffir
I wanted to see you guys fight for a while.
I wasn't trying to fool either one of you, but I'm like, ooh, I actually got a joke going.
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All right.
That's the end of the podcast.
Thank you very much for tuning in.
Thanks for all the positive tweets.
Thanks for all the love.
ari shaffir
Thank you for everybody who's coming to my shows.
joe rogan
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Thank anybody who comes to all of our shows.
We appreciate the fuck out of you guys.
brian redban
DeskWad Ohio.
joe rogan
DeskWad rolls on, bitches.
Oh, Death Squad Ohio is November 11th is sold out, right?
brian redban
No, it's 8th, 9th, and 10th, and only the 8 o'clock Columbus show is sold out.
joe rogan
Okay, so which one, what date is sold out?
brian redban
Columbus first show, I believe, is the one.
joe rogan
And what date is that, though?
brian redban
I think that's the 10th.
joe rogan
The 10th, okay.
ari shaffir
So the 8th and 9th is still open.
joe rogan
So 8th and 9th.
And go to deathsquad.tv and you can also pick up some super sexy kitty cat t-shirts.
brian redban
It's two Columbus shows, one Dayton, one Cincinnati.
joe rogan
And by the way, Tom Segura is going.
And if you haven't seen Tom, he is fucking on fire right now too.
He's one of the best in the country.
He really is.
He's awesome.
And Tony Hinchcliffe as well?
brian redban
Tony Hinchcliffe is going to be on a couple, and so is Doug Benson.
joe rogan
An excellent show, ladies and gentlemen.
An excellent show.
And also, if you go to deskwad.tv, you can pick up some of Brian's funky, psychedelic kitty cats.
And no, that's not a Wendy sign.
The fuck are you talking about?
brian redban
They changed their logo the other day.
joe rogan
Yeah, good.
They better.
Dirty bitches.
Step.
Powerful white castles in the house as well.
Shout out to White Castle.
ari shaffir
Give it up for black people in general.
brian redban
I have given up on the Olive Garden.
They do not want me to support them, but White Castle has been supporting me by giving me t-shirts.
joe rogan
I think that, believe it or not, the Olive Garden is too white for Brian Redman.
They're too white.
brian redban
White Castle's cool, though.
joe rogan
We'll be back tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen.
ari shaffir
But it's over with the Olive Garden.
joe rogan
We love the fucking shit out of you people.
We'll see you soon.
We're not going anywhere.
We're gonna roll on.
We're taking it to the next level.
I don't even know what I'm saying.
ari shaffir
It's the best ending I've ever heard.
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