Sept. 18, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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*crickets* This is our new band. | |
| He meows, and I do a fucking really shitty beatbox. | ||
| I'm feeling that money coming in already, Brian. | ||
| We got a winning combination. | ||
| We need to put this shit on wax. | ||
| Ready? | ||
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| I've been a vitamin junkie and a nutrition junkie for a long time. | ||
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Is it because they're all blind? | |
| No, that's just a scientific method, Brian. | ||
| It's not for blind people. | ||
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It seems like it takes a long time for those double-blinds. | |
| Yeah, I don't think you understand what the fuck it means, son. | ||
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| You dirty bitches. | ||
| We're also brought to you by Desquad.tv. | ||
| If you go to Desquad.tv, you see like the cat shirt that I had on yesterday or one of the ones that you'll see all over this place, the logos. | ||
| But Brian has two versions of them for sale. | ||
| And all the money goes to support the Death Squad Podcast Network, which is on iTunes. | ||
| All right, you dirty bitches. | ||
| Which is the only place where you can see the Ice House Chronicles this weekend. | ||
| This week? | ||
| This Wednesday, rather. | ||
| Yeah, this weekend when we're being in Toronto. | ||
| Holla! | ||
| But this Wednesday, we have a fucking gnarly show here at the Ice House. | ||
| We've got Doug Benson. | ||
| We've got Duncan Trussell. | ||
| We've got Brian Redband. | ||
| We've got Joey Diaz. | ||
| We've got Dom Herrera. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Greg Fitzsimmons, too. | ||
| It's going to be fucking crazy. | ||
| And we also have one Friday if you're in town in LA. Yeah, and who's on Friday? | ||
| We got Clownvis, which is Clown Elvis. | ||
| I like how you lead strong. | ||
| Gareth from that new MTV show. | ||
| And Francisco Ramos, who was confused by Francisco. | ||
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Remember? | |
| We had him on a podcast. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| You had the wrong guy. | ||
| You thought it was Pablo Francisco. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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But now we're friends, so... | |
| Dude, sometimes shit just works out. | ||
| Anyway, go to deathsquad.tv and all the information is there, right? | ||
| All the posters for shows and all the information for t-shirt sales. | ||
| Aren't you fucking freaks? | ||
| Rich Roll is here. | ||
| We're finna get busy. | ||
| Finna get down to the bottom of this thing. | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Well, when I did a podcast with Rob Wolf, who was the paleo diet guy, one of the first things that happened was that I got an immediate influx of vegans who had to set Rob Wolf straight because Rob Wolf said some crazy shit. | ||
| Like, I told him I drank a kale shake every morning and it makes me feel great, gives me a lot of energy. | ||
| He's like, no, you gotta eat bacon and eggs. | ||
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And cigarettes and coffee. | |
| You gotta get your dick sucked by truckers. | ||
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He was my superhero. | |
| Yeah, he said some awesome shit that you should have bacon, eggs, and coffee in the morning. | ||
| And that's a good way to get your day started. | ||
| A lot of people didn't want to hear that. | ||
| A lot of people felt that was silly. | ||
| And you were one of the people that contacted me. | ||
| And then I looked up your story. | ||
| And it's pretty fascinating, man. | ||
| You were like around 40 and you were out of shape. | ||
| I had been an athlete in college, I was a swimmer in college, but it kind of got away from me after that. | ||
| When college is over, that was kind of the end of that athletic chapter. | ||
| Life goes on and I went to law school and then it's just about the job and getting married and having kids and climbing the corporate ladder and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| In the wake of that, I lost sight of Being fit and being healthy and was pretty much a couch potato. | ||
| Depressed, lethargic, a little bit lost in life. | ||
| You know how it goes. | ||
| So I decided I had to take it back. | ||
| I had a little bit of a health scare that kind of triggered me to do something about it. | ||
| And so what action did you take specifically? | ||
| Well, I mean, I wish I could, you know, say I ran off to the library and got a bunch of books and, you know, read all the paleo books and read all the vegan books and did a double blind study with people with double blindfolds on and, you know, figured out the right way to do it. | ||
| And, you know, that's not what happened. | ||
| I mean, I fumbled around for a while trying to figure out what would work for me. | ||
| But the first thing I did, My wife is like she's big into yoga and healing and meditation and she's like you know she's constantly reading like crazy spiritual texts and you know she's pretty well schooled in alternative thinking and lifestyle and all that kind of stuff and you know if you were to open the refrigerator is pretty clear like kind of food she was eating and what I was eating which was essentially crap so but she would do like a juice cleanse pretty much every year you know and That | ||
| was fine for her, but that was definitely not something that I was ever interested in doing. | ||
| But, you know, I was kind of desperate, and I thought, you know, maybe I'll try that. | ||
| And so I just sort of reached out to her, and I said, yeah, I think I want to do that. | ||
| And she hooked me up with... | ||
| We got all these crazy herbs, and, you know, we got a juicer and the whole thing, and kind of dialed it in. | ||
| And, you know, I did that for, like, five days. | ||
| Kind of a... | ||
| Not like the... | ||
| You know, in Hollywood, a lot of people do like the cayenne pepper thing or whatever and lemon juice. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's like a starvation thing. | ||
| So it wasn't like that. | ||
| It was like I kind of weaned myself off food for a couple days and just did juice for a couple days and then kind of leaned back into food. | ||
| But It was a pretty eye-opening experience. | ||
| The first couple days, it was like I was in rehab, man. | ||
| Just buckled over on the couch, detoxing, just feeling like shit. | ||
| I could barely move. | ||
| What was your diet like before that? | ||
| What was standard cheeseburgers? | ||
| Yeah, fast food all the time, man. | ||
| Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Wendy's, Jack in the Box, late at night coming home from work. | ||
| It didn't matter. | ||
| Part of that was because When I was swimming in college, I'm training like four hours a day and you're 19, 20 years old or whatever. | ||
| It was just about how many calories can I put down the throat and trying to fill myself up. | ||
| It didn't really matter. | ||
| You can get away with that stuff. | ||
| I did for a long time, but it catches up to you. | ||
| But those habits, you form those habits that carry with you and they're hard to break. | ||
| Yeah, we really are a creature of habit. | ||
| It's a strange thing that even bad habits like gambling, like people that become gambling addicts, it really is some sort of like a Like a hijacking of your reward systems. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Giving you this rush towards something that really doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And there's also the comfort factor that comes in repeating patterns. | ||
| It's like your brain knows how to do it. | ||
| It's done it before. | ||
| Let's stop fucking around. | ||
| Just keep doing the same shit you've been doing. | ||
| And just blow off the gym and take a nap and go beat off. | ||
| And just do the same stupid shit you've been doing. | ||
| It's really hard for people to move away from that. | ||
| Yeah, you get these, like, cemented pathways in your brain, and it's just your default. | ||
| Like, I think, you know, with certain behavior patterns, after a while, you don't even know you're doing it. | ||
| You're just like, it's like your program, like a computer. | ||
| You just follow that pattern every time. | ||
| And change is hard, man. | ||
| It is hard. | ||
| And it's also, it's hard to find a healthy meal at, like, fucking Burger King or Jack in the Box. | ||
| It's hard to go in there and really get some nutrients. | ||
| Yeah, it's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you look, you got a salad? | ||
| You got a salad over there? | ||
| And you look at the salad, and you're like, oh, Jesus. | ||
| It's all, like, iceberg lettuce. | ||
| It's all wilted. | ||
| And everything's closed early here in LA, so if you're working late and coming home, sometimes it's the only option. | ||
| Subway's my lifesaver. | ||
| Yeah, subways. | ||
| All that stuff that they can keep on a shelf for that long, none of that is good for you. | ||
| It's way better, I would imagine, if you just got a chicken sandwich or turkey. | ||
| Like on Whole Wheat or something like that. | ||
| They need more drive-thru subways, if they even have any at all, but that would be perfect. | ||
| This dude's talking to you about some serious fucking vegetable nutrition. | ||
| Subway would be awesome. | ||
| You want to find the healthier options. | ||
| I can't imagine the produce that Subway... | ||
| You're such a huge corporation. | ||
| You're getting the low rent shit. | ||
| You cannot fuck with In-N-Out Burger, man. | ||
| If you had some really sexy tofu lettuce wrap thing that you were selling, but right next door was In-N-Out Burger, you're doomed, son. | ||
| It's tough, man. | ||
| It goes back to those pathways. | ||
| You smell it. | ||
| It's like a pheromone. | ||
| It's powerful. | ||
| It also goes back to the fact that In-N-Out is fucking delicious. | ||
| That's a problem, too. | ||
| You can't deny that shit's delicious. | ||
| Hey, man, I did it for years and years and years. | ||
| Yeah, especially In-N-Out. | ||
| Those fresh burgers are so much better than burgers at some place where they nuke it. | ||
| Didn't they just have, like, a little bit of a scandal there, though, with some of their meat? | ||
| Did they? | ||
| They screwed up. | ||
| Yeah, I thought I remembered reading something about that. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| This might be vegan propaganda. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It probably wasn't like the Zankoo murders. | ||
| Remember the Zankoo murders? | ||
| I don't want the death squad coming down on me like a ton of bricks, man. | ||
| My Twitter already exploded. | ||
| Your fans are fucking rabid, man. | ||
| I mean, it's intense. | ||
| You have an intense following. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what happened. | ||
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God damn. | |
| Do you ever want to go to war? | ||
| You just rally the troops. | ||
| Well, we're trying to build armies. | ||
| That's why we're selling kettlebells. | ||
| We're selling kettlebells and battle ropes and selling vitamins and brain pills and subscribing to YouTube videos. | ||
| Yeah, you were right. | ||
| Their In-N-Out Burger plant got closed by a USDA-supplied, or rather, yeah, the inspectors. | ||
| Temporary shutdown. | ||
| California meat company that provided the beef for the popular In-N-Out Burger chain. | ||
| Ew, that's not good. | ||
| No propaganda here, man. | ||
| And also, of course, it's always good to have the information. | ||
| I say things all the time and I need to check them, so I do it when anybody else says something, too. | ||
| But the U.S. School Lunch Program, they also provided food for them. | ||
| Ew. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Who fucking... | ||
| Listen, if you're sourcing that much beef, you know, you're a huge company like that, you're going to have a problem like that from time to time. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of cows involved in that, huh? | ||
| What are the numbers in something like that? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's got to be enormous. | ||
| Diane Sawyer looks pissed as fuck. | ||
| That's the last person you want on TV. No, Nancy Grace is the last person you want on TV talking shit about you. | ||
| Angry-faced. | ||
| But how many cows do you think they use, just in and out, a small chain, like in and out? | ||
| How many do they use in a day? | ||
| It's got to be mind-blowing. | ||
| Yeah, whoa. | ||
| Really stop and think about that. | ||
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It's like the Holocaust of cows over there. | |
| Well, you know what it is, man? | ||
| We figured out how to make this society work without people hunting. | ||
| This weird notion that we have zero connection with how the food is gathered... | ||
| Like, that's a really fucking crazy way to live. | ||
| So everybody's like, yeah, I'd like meat. | ||
| Yeah, I'd like meat. | ||
| But you don't have to do any of the stuff that makes you respect the animal. | ||
| You don't have to hunt it down. | ||
| You don't have to kill it. | ||
| You don't have to, like, be thankful that you got it and bring it back. | ||
| There's none of that anymore. | ||
| Well, the system is set up to prevent you from thinking about it. | ||
| You know, it's almost like grocery stores in a certain way. | ||
| It's analogous to, like, a Vegas casino where, you know, the casinos, they don't have... | ||
| They're pumping the air conditioning in. | ||
| There's no clocks. | ||
| You can't find the exit door. | ||
| It's disorienting. | ||
| In the same way, like a grocery store, everything's perfectly packaged. | ||
| It looks clean. | ||
| You're not supposed to think about that. | ||
| I was at a grocery store that has a butcher shop in the back, and they were sawing through a side of beef. | ||
| And you don't really see that. | ||
| You know, you really rarely see that. | ||
| You know, what usually you get is you get like, you know, they have these packages and the steak is very nice and wrapped up. | ||
| And you go, this one is a... | ||
| A full pound. | ||
| That's a good-sized steak. | ||
| I'll take that home. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This dude had a saw, and he was running meat through the saw. | ||
| I was like, yo, that's real life, son. | ||
| That's a body. | ||
| It's not like a steak. | ||
| There's a body that has to get chopped up and become steak. | ||
| And we're so separated from that actual experience of seeing the animal lose its life and understanding what it means to eat it. | ||
| We're completely separated from it. | ||
| It's really strange. | ||
| Imagine if your job was the guy in the slaughterhouse, like, doing that. | ||
| He's cutting the throats or whatever. | ||
| I mean, that's got to take an emotional toll. | ||
| It's got to be madness. | ||
| It's got to be madness. | ||
| All day, you're seeing terrified animals, and you're giving them the very thing that they're terrified of. | ||
| They're terrified of losing their lives. | ||
| It's fucking horrifying. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird, man. | ||
| And I think, you know... | ||
| You know, I think you can appreciate this as a deep thinker, but, you know, food is energy, man. | ||
| It carries a vibration. | ||
| And so when you put something in your mouth and, you know, you're making a decision to take that vibration into you. | ||
| And so, you know, what is that vibration? | ||
| You know, when you're taking in A terrorized animal, does that affect you? | ||
| Does that change your perception, your decision-making, your outlook? | ||
| Does it not? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a very good question. | ||
| The solution, though, it seems to be it's not as simple as don't eat meat. | ||
| Because even if you don't eat meat, what are you going to do with all these fucking cows? | ||
| Are you going to stop them from breeding? | ||
| Are you going to let them starve to death and die off? | ||
| Are they going to go extinct? | ||
| How are we going to regulate these cows? | ||
| You're either going to shoot them or you're going to castrate a bunch of them You're going to have to shoot some of them, because otherwise you're going to have cows wandering through the streets everywhere. | ||
| You've got to deal with the fact that you've created a species, essentially we've bred cows to this domestic form from wild cows. | ||
| And, you know, we've done it for so long that they're pretty much helpless without us. | ||
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It'd be mad cows. | |
| Yeah, there's no predators out there. | ||
| It's not like we live in fucking Africa and there's lions running around to take care of the cow problem. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| You would have a real problem with cows if we stopped eating them. | ||
| Just the fucking sheer numbers that exist now. | ||
| I mean, unless you could absolutely keep them from breeding, and then you would have to figure out what you're going to do. | ||
| Are you going to just let the old ones die? | ||
| Are you going to let some of them breed? | ||
| You know, what are you going to do? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| You're going to have to figure that out. | ||
| There's no easy solution. | ||
| Yes, but the vegan solution of not eating the meat at least removes karma from your position. | ||
| It removes you from interacting with the terrified animals last moments and for you to be, I don't want to say profiting, benefiting from that. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, you know, I just speak to my own experience, you know, and I know I feel better. | ||
| I feel, you know, more energized. | ||
| I feel like my energy is even and good. | ||
| My mood and my outlook is positive. | ||
| And I think that, you know, when you talk about vegan and the word vegan and what that means, I mean, that means different things to different people. | ||
| You know, it's a tricky word. | ||
| You know what it means to a lot of people? | ||
| What, it means fuck you? | ||
| No, it means you run the high risk of them being annoying. | ||
| It doesn't mean that they're annoying. | ||
| I have a lot of vegan friends that are awesome. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Like Mac Danzig is a vegan and he's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| By the way, he's going to be on the podcast tomorrow. | ||
| Again, we fucked up and a big disaster. | ||
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I can't wait for this podcast just so my Twitter feed won't be like, Brian, stop being a lazy fuck! | |
| Yeah, people are so silly. | ||
| No, Mac's a great guy. | ||
| He's an awesome guy. | ||
| But he's got his reasons and their intelligent reasons for being a vegan. | ||
| However, there are a few people that do it as like a sanctimonious starting point. | ||
| They do it as like they're claiming a moral high ground with this new position. | ||
| And they flaunt it in this really annoying, self-satisfying, kind of in-your-face way. | ||
| It's defeatist for what they're trying to say as well. | ||
| And I think that it's a very emotionally charged work. | ||
| I mean, food in general... | ||
| Might as well be religious. | ||
| Talking about food in general is emotionally charged. | ||
| I mean, just look at... | ||
| The Twitter feed is going to explode over this, and that's a good barometer of that. | ||
| You know, it's right up there with religion and politics. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And when you say vegan, it immediately, you know, people snap into a preconceived idea of what that is and what that means, and they have a visual image of a person in their mind. | ||
| You know, it's a guy with dreadlocks kicking a hacky sack up in Humboldt. | ||
| Always blowing a guy while they're eating a salad. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, whatever it is, somebody has that image already. | ||
| So that word And people have different reasons for getting into it. | ||
| The people who are into it for the compassion and saving the animals, that's a very different crowd and attitude from the people that get into it for health reasons or because they don't want to have a heart attack or whatever. | ||
| I guess are technically vegans, but they're also, you know, very different. | ||
| And just because you choose to not eat meat or whatever, does that mean that you're automatically a Democrat? | ||
| Or, you know, what is your political point of view? | ||
| And all these things get woven together and it makes it challenging, you know, to even talk about it with an open mind, I think. | ||
| Yeah, it is a quite interesting situation. | ||
| And there is the very real issue of the fact that we are at the top of the food chain. | ||
| And when you're at the top of the food chain, it bears some responsibility. | ||
| And you can, you know, we're the only animals that can really decide and choose how to alter other animals' lives, like, on purpose and figure out how to do it. | ||
| And when you look at how we choose to do it, if you look at, like, food, ink, and you see factory farming and stuff like that, it really is a damning statement about, like, where we're at. | ||
| Like spiritually, like as a race. | ||
| Like we're getting away with this really heinous shit because we can because it's easy to just not pay attention to it. | ||
| And that's the worst case scenario. | ||
| Like the best case scenario you would think they have it set up so these animals live like they're on an open prairie and they all just live a natural life and then you cull them from the herd. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you do it, you know, easily. | ||
| So they live a natural life, no different than any other cow, in a large environment where they get to roam around and eat grass instead of being force-fed corn. | ||
| And then you just kill them. | ||
| I mean, that's like the best case scenario if you're going to eat cows. | ||
| But the way we do it, it's pretty damning that human beings in the idea of maximizing profit Have decided to run these ridiculous places where you're packing pigs right next to each other in these little boxes. | ||
| And you see the chickens all stuffed in together with each other and pecking at each other. | ||
| It's fucking gnarly, man. | ||
| Yeah, when you see Food Inc. | ||
| and you see the chicken coops, it's pretty disturbing. | ||
| And you make that connection. | ||
| Because, you know, it's easy to go, well, chicken's the healthier option or whatever. | ||
| And then you see that and it makes you think twice. | ||
| But I also think... | ||
| You know, we've created this system that ultimately is not sustainable. | ||
| I mean, like, an insane amount of our agriculture goes to, you know, produce grain to feed livestock. | ||
| Like, something like 90% or something like that. | ||
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Is it really? | |
| It's crazy high. | ||
| 90%? | ||
| Crazy high. | ||
| And, you know, with the... | ||
| And then it brings up all the ecological arguments about greenhouse gases and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Oh, they fart up a fucking storm. | ||
| Those goddamn animals ruined India. | ||
| Do you know they do? | ||
| They cause global warming. | ||
| No bullshit. | ||
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From farting? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Dude, it's not bullshit. | ||
| It sounds silly, but they fart so much. | ||
| You're dealing with in India, you have so many fucking cows that they really have pollution issues because of cows farting in the air. | ||
| I heard the grass-fed beef farts even more. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| Well, that makes sense because India would be much more grass-fed, right? | ||
| And they're the ones who have the big issue. | ||
| But they also have the issue that they don't kill cows, or at least the Hindus do. | ||
| You apparently can buy beef in India. | ||
| It's not uncommon. | ||
| It's just there's a huge group of them that won't fuck with the cows. | ||
| Is that why they don't wear deodorant so it smells like armpits more than poop and farts? | ||
| It's like you're building your own force field. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Your own body smell. | ||
| Cancel out the shit smell in the air. | ||
| Yeah, that's like way better than fucking shit. | ||
| Yeah, man, that's like the worst case scenario. | ||
| You're living around animals who stink up the air constantly with their fart gas. | ||
| And you can't kill them. | ||
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Because dog farts are fucking nasty. | |
| Like, so, big cow farts? | ||
| That's way... | ||
| I'd be sniffing armpits all day long. | ||
| You're hungry, and, you know, there's people starving, and they're just letting these delicious cows just wander around. | ||
| How the fuck did that ever happen? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it goes back to religion. | ||
| What a bunch of silly bitches they are in India. | ||
| That is one of the silliest choices ever. | ||
| What do you want to do? | ||
| You want to starve to death or you want to eat these fucking delicious cows? | ||
| Let's just sit around and smell their farts and complain and have more people. | ||
| It's cultural mores though. | ||
| There are cultures that think that we're insane for having dogs in our houses. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting how we just sort of adopt a pattern of behavior based on our surroundings and what's existed in that area. | ||
| Yeah, for the Indians, I guess, is the cow is sacred in the Hindu culture? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Is it a god or something like that? | ||
| Or relatives come back to life or something? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, no. | ||
| When I worked at an Indian company, I had a steering wheel. | ||
| Me and my ex-girlfriend used to share a car, and her steering wheel cover was a cow... | ||
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Right. | |
| And they saw me drive up to that and I had a meeting and they told me to please remove that from their steering wheel because they respect cows. | ||
| What? | ||
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Really? | |
| At an Indian company. | ||
| It was called the Software People. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
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Well, you showed up with like murdered skin on your steering wheel. | |
| They were like, oh, please, just be nice. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's got to be weird. | ||
| What a strange thing to just choose to really worship and lock onto. | ||
| But it shows you. | ||
| That's what they did in India. | ||
| Some place else it was Buddha. | ||
| Some place else it was Jesus. | ||
| We're so fascinated when it comes to that. | ||
| Human beings are really, really bizarre animals. | ||
| So your story was that you were an athlete and then you got unhealthy and then you had a little bit of a health scare. | ||
| So that's when you decided to go vegan? | ||
| Yeah, so I did that juice cleanse and by the fifth day of that I just felt unbelievable. | ||
| My energy level was through the roof and all I'd been doing was drinking fruit and vegetable juice and drinking this beetroot broth and some teas and stuff like that. | ||
| It was amazing because I had abused my body for so long with terrible food and terrible lifestyle. | ||
| I'm also a recovering alcoholic, so I used to drink a shitload. | ||
| You hit it on both ends. | ||
| Yeah, I was hitting it hard. | ||
| I did not treat myself well. | ||
| The idea that within five days I could feel that good. | ||
| I didn't know that I could feel that good or I hadn't felt that good in 15, 20 years. | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| The body is incredibly resilient when you treat it right. | ||
| When I was done with that, I thought, well, what am I going to do? | ||
| I want to keep feeling this good, but I don't know what to do next. | ||
| Again, I wish I had gone out and read a bunch of books or something. | ||
| But I just thought, maybe I'll try a vegetarian diet. | ||
| Like, I didn't do any education or research, but it just seemed like, well, that sounds, you know, healthy or healthier than what I'm doing. | ||
| But kind of coming from an addiction perspective and a recovery perspective, like I went to rehab 14 years ago, and so a lot of like the way, like I sort of rewired my brain and the way I think is kind of in the context of addiction and recovery. | ||
| It just seemed like something I could wrap my brain around because You're either eating meat or you're not. | ||
| It's very black and white. | ||
| You're using drugs and you're drinking or you're not. | ||
| You're either sober or you're using. | ||
| That made more sense to me than, hey, I'm going to eat better. | ||
| I'm just going to eat healthy and go to the gym because it's so vague. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Maybe I would for a week or two, but I would definitely fall back into my regular old behavior pattern. | ||
| So I started doing that, but it wasn't long before, you know, I'm looking for the loopholes or whatever, because you can eat like shit on a vegetarian diet. | ||
| You can eat like shit on a vegan diet. | ||
| So, you know, I could, I could eat Pizza Hut cheese pizza and get nachos and, you know, eat McDonald's French fries and I'm a vegetarian, right? | ||
| So certainly, you know, that wasn't working, but I did that for like six months and of course, you know, didn't lose any weight. | ||
| I was about 50 pounds heavier than I am now. | ||
| I was kind of back on the couch and lethargic. | ||
| I was ready to just bag it, but I thought I wonder what would happen if I just went that extra step and got rid of the dairy and cut out the processed foods. | ||
| I didn't really think it would make a difference. | ||
| I almost did it to prove that it wouldn't or to prove to my wife that it wouldn't work so I could keep doing what I was doing and be guilt free about it. | ||
| So I tried that, and within a week, I was back to that energy level that I felt when I did the cleanse. | ||
| My energy level was through the roof. | ||
| It was so high that I could only sleep a couple hours a night, and I was bouncing off the walls. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it really did. | ||
| It really did. | ||
| It made a huge difference. | ||
| And I think getting rid of the dairy made a much bigger... | ||
| Not eating the meat wasn't that hard for me, but getting rid of the dairy in my diet, that was a lot harder. | ||
| That was almost like another detox, because dairy is in so many foods. | ||
| And I crave it, man. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| So it was very difficult to kind of break that behavior pattern. | ||
| Do you have cheat days? | ||
| I don't have cheat days. | ||
| So your attitude is essentially the same attitude that you have about recovery. | ||
| Yeah, because, well, that's the thing, like, I know, you know, like, Tim Ferriss is big on the cheat day with his slow carb and all of that, and it seems to work for a lot of people, and it makes sense. | ||
| For me, like, for me, it's about, it goes back to, like, the addiction model, because I do crave this stuff, man, and I know if I had a cheeseburger, like, once a week, I'd start eating cheeseburgers all the time. | ||
| Because you break the cycle and now I don't think about it that much. | ||
| Every once in a while I'll smell it and it smells good to me. | ||
| But I don't go around craving it all the time. | ||
| But if I was to have it every once in a while, then you're still fertilizing that little seed. | ||
| I respect that Anthony Bourdain loves pork so much. | ||
| He loves pork so much that they gave him the option of quit eating pork or take medicine to lower your blood pressure and your cholesterol, rather. | ||
| And he took the medicine. | ||
| I said, I'll take the fucking medicine. | ||
| I need pork. | ||
| He talked about it on the show, like being addicted to food. | ||
| For him, it's pork. | ||
| Fatty pork. | ||
| He's willing to sacrifice his health because he likes to eat pork. | ||
| I mean, that's pretty heavy, man. | ||
| It's pretty fucking intense. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know how good that anti-cholesterol medication is for you. | ||
| Is that okay for you? | ||
| The statins. | ||
| I mean, you know, there's plenty of side effects from that. | ||
| I would imagine there has to be, right? | ||
| There are a crazy number of people that are on these drugs, and it's amazing the extent to which... | ||
| The healthcare system, you know, the doctors just, you know, they just knee jerk prescribed this stuff. | ||
| And they're not that educated about nutrition, whether it's paleo or vegan or whatever. | ||
| It's not really part of the medical school curriculum. | ||
| I've been shocked. | ||
| Talking to doctors about nutrition. | ||
| I've been shocked having conversations with doctors. | ||
| Very, very few are. | ||
| And it's not their fault. | ||
| Like, you know, they're studying all sorts of stuff. | ||
| And you know, maybe there's an elective here or there, like one required course that they have to take, but they're not really that schooled. | ||
| And in our system, we're, we're sort of grown and raised to believe that, you know, doctor knows best. | ||
| And you go to the doctor and the doctor knows everything. | ||
| And it's kind of alarming and eye opening to realize that that's not necessarily the case, at least with respect to nutrition. | ||
| There should most certainly be a doctor of nutrition that you go to. | ||
| A doctor who is a full-fledged doctor at the top of all the information that's available today. | ||
| He's on top of all of it. | ||
| And his job is just to check your blood. | ||
| And give you a detailed write-up of what's wrong with you nutritionally. | ||
| You don't have any B12 in your body. | ||
| You don't have this in your body. | ||
| You're missing niacin. | ||
| Whatever it is that he could show you what your optimum levels of your various nutrients should be. | ||
| Very, very, very few people No, and they do exist, but that should be part of your physical. | ||
| Yeah, it should be a regular thing. | ||
| I talk about it on this show all the time, how much it changed me when I started drinking kale shakes in the morning. | ||
| And I'm not vegan. | ||
| I still drink milk. | ||
| I eat meat. | ||
| But in massively increasing the amount of plant nutrients I get into my body, and especially it seems like starting my day with them, I usually don't eat right when I wake up. | ||
| I like to exercise sometimes or just get up and do some stuff, and then I'll eat. | ||
| And my first meal is always really light. | ||
| It's always either some sort of a hemp protein shake or it's this kale shake thing that I have. | ||
| But the difference is the kale shake gives me this fucking steady energy. | ||
| I can feel my body responding to the nutrients. | ||
| You can literally feel it. | ||
| And the only negative about it at all is that you have to shit more. | ||
| But that's just like cleaning out your pipes. | ||
| And you actually look forward to it. | ||
| Because they're wonderful. | ||
| These poops are like a ride. | ||
| You can feel it in the way that when you have that first cup of coffee and you can feel your spine getting tickled by the caffeine. | ||
| It's like a similar thing. | ||
| It jacks you up. | ||
| I could not live without the Vitamix. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| When we go out of town, we travel with it. | ||
| You're an animal. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| It's such a part of your life. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's a heavy thing because it's expensive, right? | ||
| Things like 500 bucks, 450 bucks or whatever. | ||
| It's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people to tell them they ought to get one. | ||
| But it's a motherfucker. | ||
| Once you have it, you can't imagine not having it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a motherfucker. | ||
| It's a beast. | ||
| That thing's amazing. | ||
| It's such a great thing. | ||
| Just stuff everything in there and plunge it and then just turn that bitch on. | ||
| Wah! | ||
| I blended an avocado pit once and drank it. | ||
| Whoa, what was that like? | ||
| Well, I had a bunch of other stuff in there. | ||
| Is that good for you? | ||
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I just wanted to see if I could do it. | |
| The whole avocado, even the pit? | ||
| The pit, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Isn't that poison that's got nitrates in it or something crazy like that? | ||
| No, it has. | ||
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The shit from Back to the Future. | |
| Nitrates. | ||
| It's fucking nuclear. | ||
| It's like those sneakers that light up when you step on them. | ||
| It's that stuff. | ||
| I wouldn't recommend doing it all the time. | ||
| I just wanted to see... | ||
| The point is that I couldn't believe that it was so powerful that I could actually blend that into a liquid. | ||
| Yeah, for folks who don't know what a Vitamix is, it's essentially a really... | ||
| High-powered blender that's designed to make vegetable smoothies, but it also has a top with a hole in it, and you have a plunger. | ||
| And the plunger drops down to right above the blade, so it shoves everything into the blades and matches it. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It never breaks, the fucking thing. | ||
| It's indestructible. | ||
| It's like a World War II relic kind of thing. | ||
| Even the design of it looks like it's been around forever. | ||
| I think I tweeted you this. | ||
| Have you tried putting beets in there? | ||
| No. | ||
| With the kale? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| My recipe is so fucking good, I don't want to mess with it too much. | ||
| Beets sound good. | ||
| Beets does sound good, but I changed pears to pineapple. | ||
| Put like a half a beet in and the beet greens, because the nitrites, is it nitrites or nitrates? | ||
| I always get that wrong, or whatever. | ||
| It's been shown to have a significant impact on the efficiency of your oxygen utilization. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's a pretty significant energy booster. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Okay, so the beet greens as well? | ||
| Yeah, you can put the greens in and then it'll turn everything red. | ||
| Even if you put a tiny amount of beet in, the whole shake will be red. | ||
| You want to put some other stuff in there because it has kind of a heavy taste. | ||
| But you'll notice a difference. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I would definitely do that. | ||
| I'll try that shit tonight. | ||
| In the same way that the cordyceps work. | ||
| Because you know the cordyceps are so good at boosting your oxygen uptake and the efficiency of your oxygen utilization. | ||
| It has a similar effect. | ||
| I mean, the cordyceps are crazy awesome. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that's what the main ingredient of Shroom Tech Sport is. | ||
| I take four of those before jiu-jitsu class. | ||
| Even if I haven't been training recently, it's amazing how much more energy you have. | ||
| It's like a significant feeling of an extra little boost that you have. | ||
| It's like you've been training at altitude and then you come down to sea level. | ||
| You feel like you don't get winded. | ||
| You don't go into the same way, that's for sure. | ||
| And people who have gone to altitudes, like who had to change altitudes rapidly, like move up to Boulder, like real quick, that normally would have issues with that, they've found that if they take cordyceps mushrooms, it can settle them in. | ||
| Settle them in quicker. | ||
| Because for a lot of people, that altitude sickness is no fucking joke. | ||
| I read this thing about babies being born in Colorado, that like a record number of babies are born prematurely. | ||
| Like in Colorado because of the high altitude. | ||
| But it totally makes sense. | ||
| That's a harder way to live. | ||
| The whole thing is tougher. | ||
| Oxygen utilization is fucking everything, man. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| And it's in beets. | ||
| Beets, man. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
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| Do you miss meat at all? | ||
| Do you miss the smell? | ||
| Like if you have a neighbor who's barbecuing and you... | ||
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You have nightmares about Fogo de Chao? | |
| I'm a human being, man. | ||
| I ate that stuff for a long time. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like the smell of it. | ||
| There are certain vegan people that will say it disgusts them or whatever. | ||
| I'm sure it does or whatever. | ||
| But for me, I smell it. | ||
| That's my problem. | ||
| It smells good. | ||
| I drive by Jack in the Box. | ||
| I think that smells good. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| That's like my problem. | ||
| That's why I can't have a cheat day for me. | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| So how did you get involved in endurance athletics? | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| It was another kind of weird, organic thing that just evolved over time. | ||
| When I got on the plant-based diet, I started exercising again. | ||
| Mainly because I just had all this energy I had to burn off. | ||
| I didn't have any designs on Going back to being an athlete or being competitive in anything. | ||
| I just wanted to lose a little weight. | ||
| I wanted to be able to enjoy my kids at their energy level. | ||
| You know, I have four kids now. | ||
| So it was really just about, you know, connecting with that part of myself that I kind of lost touch with, but nothing crazy. | ||
| You know, I would go to the pool and swim a couple times a week and, you know, do a light jog here and there. | ||
| My wife bought me a bike for my birthday. | ||
| I'd never really ridden a bike before. | ||
| And this was when I turned 40. But then I had like an experience after I'd been doing this for maybe four months or something like that, a really moderate exercise. | ||
| I went out for a morning run Out at, you know, where Mulholland Drive, the dirt road part of it, that dumps out at the bottom of Topanga on the valley side? | ||
| So there's a trail that you can literally go like all the way to Brentwood, right? | ||
| It goes forever. | ||
| And I just went out there one morning on a weekday for a morning run and just, you know, you have those days, and I'm sure you have it in jujitsu, where you just feel unstoppable, like you just keep going forever. | ||
| I just started running and I just felt I just kept going and going. | ||
| I was like, I don't have to be back. | ||
| I'm going to keep going and going. | ||
| I ended up running like the better part of a marathon just by myself. | ||
| I think 24 miles or something like that that morning. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| And I got back and I just was like, what is going on? | ||
| Dude, that's some Forrest Gump shit. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| I mean, I'd never been a runner. | ||
| It's not like I had a background in running or had any proficiency in it, really. | ||
| And it wasn't like I was going fast that day either, but it was just the idea that I could keep going and I thought, Something's going on here. | ||
| I don't know whether it's the nutrition change or I've just unlocked some dormant gene inside me, but this felt good. | ||
| Then I was like, I'd like to challenge myself. | ||
| Then I started looking for something to do. | ||
| When you're 40, it's like, what's the bucket list item or what's the midlife crisis thing you want to do? | ||
| I started thinking about doing an Ironman because that's a pretty typical goal for a 40-year-old guy who wants to conquer a mountain or whatever. | ||
| And started training a little bit more and more. | ||
| And I didn't know anything about triathlon. | ||
| I didn't know anything about Ironman or anything like that. | ||
| But I figured it seems like there's those Ironman races that are like every weekend somewhere. | ||
| And like tons of people are doing it. | ||
| It can't be that hard to get in one. | ||
| I'll just pick a city, you know, a ways out and, you know, train for it myself. | ||
| And I went on the website one day and realized that they all sell out like a year ahead of time. | ||
| Like they're like U2 tickets. | ||
| Like the day after one of those races, the next day... | ||
| And they just sell out like in a couple hours. | ||
| So I couldn't get into any of those. | ||
| And I was like, well, you know, what am I going to do? | ||
| And nothing seemed to excite me and I kind of lost my mojo for a little bit. | ||
| But I was at Jamba Juice one morning. | ||
| Like maybe a month after that experience getting a juice and you know how they have those like competitor magazines that you see in like running shoe stores or whatever like running shoe reviews or whatever just laying around and I picked it up and started looking at it and there was an article about this dude Named David Goggins who's this badass Navy SEAL guy like guy had been like a football player and a power lifter like big strapping guy I think he was up he had weighed like 275 pounds at one point and had seen | ||
| some shit you know as a Navy SEAL and had lost a lot of friends in in action and he decided that he was gonna go he was gonna find the 10 most difficult endurance races in the world and do them all to like raise money for It wasn't the Wounded Warriors Foundation, but it was something like that, so that he could raise money for the families of these friends of his that had fallen. | ||
| And he had just done this race called Badwater, which is a 135-mile run through Death Valley that goes up Mount Whitney at the end. | ||
| And it's crazy hot, like 110, 120 degrees out in the desert. | ||
| And he had just done really well in that, and he had never really done much endurance sports before that. | ||
| He literally had fallen into it and had just put in an incredible performance. | ||
| And then a month later, he did this race called Ultraman. | ||
| Which is this insane double Ironman distance race in Hawaii, where over the course of three days, you circumnavigate the entire Big Island of Hawaii, which is like a big island. | ||
| It's like the size of Connecticut, right? | ||
| So I was reading about this and it just seemed like such a cool event. | ||
| Not only was it longer than Ironman, which I didn't think was possible, It was broken up into stages. | ||
| So the first day is a 6.2 mile ocean swim, followed by a 90 mile bike. | ||
| And the last 20 miles of that bike, you go up to Volcano National Park. | ||
| So it's like a 4,000 foot gain. | ||
| And the second day you ride 170 miles around the eastern side of the island, like up through Hilo. | ||
| And you end up in this little town called Javi. | ||
| On the third day, you run 52.4 miles double marathon from Javi back into Kona where the race started. | ||
| I was like, what is this? | ||
| It was cool because they limited it to just 35 invitation-only competitors. | ||
| You had to apply to get into this race. | ||
| They don't close any of the roads. | ||
| It was almost like this family affair where you have to bring your own crew and they take care of you and feed you out of a van while you're doing this race. | ||
| The crews help each other out and the competitors help each other out. | ||
| It's a race, but It seemed almost like this crazy spiritual odyssey, you know, like this experiment in expansion, you know, much more than a race. | ||
| And I was like, that was what I was looking for. | ||
| You know, it wasn't like I was looking for a race to go see how fast I could go or how many guys I could beat. | ||
| Like, it resonated with me because it seemed more like An opportunity to learn more about myself in a way that was unique. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like it was like this crazy down the rabbit hole like spiritual adventure. | ||
| And so it just captivated me and I was like... | ||
| It was one of those things where... | ||
| You know when you come across something and something just clicks inside you and you know... | ||
| Like, that's the direction you're supposed to go in or you're on the right path or, you know, maybe you've had that in stand-up or at some point in your life where you just feel like you're directed in a certain way, you know, where everything just kind of seems in alignment. | ||
| It was like, I just knew I was going to do that race. | ||
| Like, I just, I didn't know how and I hadn't done anything of note, you know, to merit getting into it or anything like that. | ||
| But I was like, I'm going to find a way to do that. | ||
| Like, I've got to do that. | ||
| And I couldn't stop thinking about it. | ||
| And I ended up calling up the, uh, Race director. | ||
| And it was some months before you could even send in your application. | ||
| Because I was like, I couldn't stop thinking about it. | ||
| And I needed to like, just if she was going to tell me like, there's no way I was getting in, then I could at least like put that to bed. | ||
| So I just called her up and said, you know, I read about this race, and I can't stop thinking about it, and I'd really like to do it, but, you know, maybe I'm crazy, because, you know, I don't know why I'm even calling you, because I haven't really done very much. | ||
| You know, and she said, well, what have you done? | ||
| And I said, I haven't done anything. | ||
| You know, I'm barely, you know, I'm just getting back into being fit again. | ||
| And she had every reason to just say, well, you know, why don't you call me in a couple years, and, you know, we'll see what you've done then, and maybe I'll let you into this race. | ||
| She was like, well, listen, it means a lot that you called early, and why don't you just touch base with me in a couple months, and we'll evaluate your training, and we'll go from there. | ||
| So she kind of left a crack in the door open. | ||
| So it was enough to give me a little bit of hope, like the pilot light was lit a little bit. | ||
| And I was like, I'm going to get into that race. | ||
| I'm going to find a way to get into that race. | ||
| And I hired a coach, and I started training as if I was already in. | ||
| This was back in early 2008. And I mean, it's a long story, but ultimately she ended up relenting and letting me in and I ended up doing that race in 2008. And I hadn't done an Ironman before that. | ||
| I tried to do a half Ironman the year before and I didn't even finish. | ||
| So, you know, I wasn't going in with some crazy like endurance pedigree. | ||
| So it was a cool experience, though, and I ended up doing pretty well in that race. | ||
| How well did you do? | ||
| I got 11th that year. | ||
| Wow, that's amazing. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You couldn't finish, and then a year later, you get 11th. | ||
| I got 11th in 2008, and at that time, we were like the bad news bears. | ||
| I had no idea what I was doing. | ||
| My dad came out to help me crew and a couple buddies from out here. | ||
| And none of us knew anything about anything. | ||
| And I just wanted to finish, you know, and I just wanted to, like, not die. | ||
| So I approached it, like, very conservatively. | ||
| But I ended up exceeding my expectations. | ||
| So I thought, you know, I wonder what would happen if I spent a year, like, preparing to go back and actually race it, you know, rather than just trying to finish and kind of being timid about it. | ||
| So for 2009, I trained my ass off and I went back and, uh, And I ended up getting out. | ||
| I got out of the swim with a 10-minute lead on the next guy. | ||
| And I held that lead for the rest of that day through that 90-mile bike. | ||
| So I finished the first day with a 10-minute lead on the field. | ||
| 10 minutes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| A huge lead going into day two. | ||
| If that was a race car, that would be a ridiculous amount of time. | ||
| It was crazy because I didn't see anyone else all day, you know, because I was out in front. | ||
| And... | ||
| My wife and my kids were crewing me, actually. | ||
| So I was having to tell them what to do. | ||
| And they were great, but it wasn't like they had experience with anything like this, which made me very nervous. | ||
| So what does a crew person have to do? | ||
| Each competitor has to bring a van. | ||
| And that van is filled with, like, all your shit, man. | ||
| So you gotta have all your food that you're gonna eat, like, while you're racing, and then afterwards, and then, you know, ice for ice baths afterwards, and they're filling your bottles and feeding them, you know, feeding you. | ||
| They kind of leapfrog you and park, and then you do bottle handoffs, so you always have nutrition on the bike. | ||
| And they make sure you don't take any wrong turns. | ||
| They're in charge of navigating. | ||
| And if you have anything that mechanically goes wrong with your bike or whatever, extra parts. | ||
| And it's filled with all your clothes because you're going around the island. | ||
| You're not going back to where you started that day. | ||
| You're going to stay in a different place each night. | ||
| So you have to have all your stuff with you. | ||
| So these vans are packed from floor to ceiling with stuff. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I would have never thought there was that much involved in racing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Logistically, there's a lot that goes into it to pull it off and everything. | ||
| Now, does everybody know how to apply nutrition to these races? | ||
| Is it like a consensus or do some people try to do them without eating? | ||
| There's no way you can do it without eating. | ||
| You have to eat along the way. | ||
| The consensus is you've got to take in about 200 to 300 calories an hour, and everybody's stomach's different. | ||
| The intensity with which you're going will depend upon how well you can digest the food. | ||
| If you're on the rivet and going hard, it's going to be harder to digest calories, and the kind of calories become more important. | ||
| You're not going to be able to eat solid food if you're hammering. | ||
| What do you eat? | ||
| Do you eat fruits? | ||
| What I eat is probably different than certain others. | ||
| Everybody has their own thing. | ||
| I like to stay away from Like a lot of endurance athletes run or whatever, you know, usually kind of Gatorade-y kind of stuff, like the Cytomax and that kind of stuff, the real high sugar stuff. | ||
| But when you're going all day, like you're going to be out on a race course for eight or nine hours and then you got to do it the next day, your system can't handle that. | ||
| So I try to eat a... | ||
| More like a lower glycemic, higher carbohydrate fuel source. | ||
| So they have this stuff called Carbopro or something called Perpetuum. | ||
| They're like maltodextrin powders. | ||
| So it's like a low glycemic kind of complex carbohydrate fuel source. | ||
| And you can put like 900 calories in one bottle. | ||
| And you can kind of sip off that. | ||
| It's like pancake batter. | ||
| It tastes terrible. | ||
| But I'll eat that. | ||
| I'll eat bananas. | ||
| I'll put lightly baked yams are good. | ||
| Dates are good. | ||
| How come will they be lightly baked? | ||
| Because if they're overcooked, that fries a lot of the nutrition out of them. | ||
| But you want them soft enough. | ||
| They're almost like you can squeeze them into your mouth. | ||
| They're easy to digest when you're riding a bike. | ||
| And they have most of the nutrition in them? | ||
| Yeah, they're great for nutrition. | ||
| Yeah, yams are awesome. | ||
| What is it that kills the nutrition? | ||
| I mean, if it breaks down the tissue like that, how come it doesn't kill the nutrition if it makes it all soft and mushy? | ||
| Well, you just don't, if you like completely fry it and overcook it, then it becomes like a dead thing, right? | ||
| Do they know exactly at what temperature it actually starts to break down? | ||
| I mean, somebody probably does. | ||
| I've always wondered that about cooking, killing vitamins. | ||
| They say if you lightly sauté it, you're okay. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| What level? | ||
| Is it really that bad to eat them raw that we have to fucking jazz everything up with fire and hot metal? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Well, we're the only animals that cook our food, right? | ||
| We're also the only animals with TVs. | ||
| We're the only animals that drive cars. | ||
| We're the only animals that talk. | ||
| Let each other know how good shit tastes when you cook it. | ||
| We talk to each other. | ||
| Fucking shit tastes good when you cook it. | ||
| That is the problem. | ||
| It does taste better. | ||
| There's even vegetable dishes that are absolutely delicious because they're cooked. | ||
| But that's just not as good for your body. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it seems like there's differing schools of thought on that. | ||
| I mean, I think that, you know, you have the really hardcore raw foodists who just eat everything raw, and certainly I think it's great to eat lots of raw foods, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like the raw foods you put in your Vitamix or whatever, and I eat a lot of raw foods, but I still eat cooked foods, you know? | ||
| I gotta have me a little cooked food. | ||
| Right, just for the feeling of it, right? | ||
| Comfort food, you know? | ||
| Do you eat pastas at all? | ||
| I'll eat brown rice pasta, like the gluten-free kind. | ||
| Ezekiel? | ||
| You ever have Ezekiel? | ||
| Ezekiel bread, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I try not to overdo it on the pasta. | ||
| I usually have more brown rice stuff instead. | ||
| Brown rice, steamed veggies, sautéed veggies. | ||
| And top it off with a Coca-Cola or perhaps a Pepsi-Cola? | ||
| A Red Bull. | ||
| Did you take in any caffeine? | ||
| What are your thoughts on that? | ||
| I've gone back and forth on caffeine. | ||
| I've gone periods without it, and then I've used it as well. | ||
| I think that when you're using it compulsively and addictively, it's not a good thing. | ||
| It fries your adrenals and makes you tired, ultimately. | ||
| I think a cup of coffee in the morning is not the worst thing, particularly for an athlete. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely a performance enhancer. | ||
| Like if I'm going out for a long bike ride, you know, a nice little strong cup of coffee before my ride, definitely, I can definitely feel the difference. | ||
| But I think it, you know, you can't be just hammering coffee all day long. | ||
| I like a nice cup of coffee before a podcast and a nice cup of coffee before jujitsu. | ||
| I like to get a little, but it's really a crutch. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| But it tastes delicious. | ||
| And I've gone periods when I don't drink coffee at all and I feel fine and then I'll lapse back into drinking it from time to time. | ||
| Well, during periods of heavy writing, I will drink a lot of fucking coffee. | ||
| And I had one day where I was working on this piece and I was up until like 5 o'clock in the morning just wired with coffee. | ||
| And then the next day, I tried no coffee. | ||
| And boy, was that a trip. | ||
| Like, I had a headache all day. | ||
| Like, my body was like, dude, let's just have a cup of coffee. | ||
| Let's just feed the demon. | ||
| Just feed that demon. | ||
| Give it a little. | ||
| It's like, I was like, I gotta be careful. | ||
| Like, this is how you get addicted to caffeine. | ||
| It's a powerful drug, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was setting the stage for addiction. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I had a headache. | ||
| I didn't want to not have the caffeine. | ||
| I just was taking too much in. | ||
| It was over a course of a few days where I was really hitting at hard writing. | ||
| You've got to be careful. | ||
| I had headaches. | ||
| I had withdrawals. | ||
| But I found that a really strenuous exercise, like if I have anything wrong with me, if I have jet lag, if I'm just a little out of it from landing somewhere and I can't shake the cobwebs loose, just really intense, strenuous exercise just seems to reset the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, snaps you right back. | ||
| Snaps you right back. | ||
| I really feel bad for people who don't exercise, who try to travel a lot, because I hear people tell me that they're fucked up for like two weeks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I've been traveling a lot lately and that's the only thing. | ||
| I don't sleep great in hotel rooms and just, you know, the first night in a new environment or whatever, it's always a little off. | ||
| And, you know, the first thing when I get there, I've got to work out or whatever. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| You've got to wipe the slate clean. | ||
| And then it just really helps with the jet lag and sleep and acclimating and everything. | ||
| Yeah, and it's one of those things where you just got to start it. | ||
| Just get it going, and then once you get it going, it sort of takes care of itself, and you're in the middle of it, it feels great. | ||
| But it's like that first step of doing that first squat, you know, the first anything. | ||
| It's like, ugh, come on. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But if you can overcome that, it gives you that feeling like, you know, like lately I've got a lot of shit done that I wanted to get done, and I got this great, like, feeling because of that, you know? | ||
| I've got, like, momentum, you know? | ||
| And whenever I feel like that I'm accomplishing things that I wanted to do, I set out to do X today, and I got it all done. | ||
| It's like, yes! | ||
| The next day, I feel like a little more charged up. | ||
| I feel like I've got, well, look, I'm doing what I'm trying to get done. | ||
| I'm getting it done. | ||
| I'm feeling great about it. | ||
| And a lot of people, I think, don't have that. | ||
| They don't build that momentum enough in their life. | ||
| They don't pick a few goals, lock onto them, go with it, and then let it build up to something else. | ||
| Let it build up to more. | ||
| Let it build up to the next thing. | ||
| And also I think that there's this weird equation with exercise because it's so easy to say you don't have time or you're busy or whatever and you know I go through that a lot and and and it's easy to justify not doing it but ultimately when I just quiet that thought and and do it anyway I end up getting more done and everything that I needed to get done ends up getting done and if I don't do it I end up wasting time and I'm less productive and I'm not thinking clearly and yeah there's a lot of like down wasted time I think everybody has a different sort of biology. | ||
| And I know for sure people have different needs. | ||
| So I don't say that everybody needs it. | ||
| I think it benefits everybody. | ||
| But I don't know that everybody needs it. | ||
| But I certainly know that I need it. | ||
| When I don't have it, it makes a big difference. | ||
| I don't like the way I feel. | ||
| I don't like getting annoyed at things too easily. | ||
| I don't like this weird testosterone buildup that happens after a few days of not exploding on something. | ||
| It's like my body's become most certainly addicted to that release. | ||
| And it knows that it can navigate social waters better when it's just totally drained of all the monkey DNA. If I don't get that out at the gym, I don't feel like I'm as nice a person. | ||
| I don't feel like I'm as balanced. | ||
| My wife will just kick me out of the house. | ||
| She says, you need to go ride your bike or do something. | ||
| Don't come back until you do. | ||
| I have a crazy gym in my house. | ||
| It's in the garage. | ||
| Half of the garage was done for a company called Garage Mahal. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So my garage is set up. | ||
| It's got mats. | ||
| I've got a grappling dummy that I strangle. | ||
| I like to do jujitsu on a dummy. | ||
| And I have a kickboxing bag and ropes to climb. | ||
| So I never have to go anywhere. | ||
| It's always right there. | ||
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Nice. | |
| There, that cuts out a lot of the fucking bullshit and procrastination with the 20 minute ride to the gym and then I'll only have 40 minutes to work out because, my God, if I just took a nap right now, maybe I would perform better tonight and maybe I could just do some working out at home tonight. | ||
| Having it in my house, for me, is huge. | ||
| The ability to just go outside and Even when I was broke, I always had a heavy bag. | ||
| Just tied something to the rafters in the garage. | ||
| Having something like that is, to me, having just a place where you can at least release in some way. | ||
| Get that fucking blowout in some way. | ||
| It's so important for maximizing sanity. | ||
| I need it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people... | ||
| Some people don't need it. | ||
|
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I just sneeze a lot. | |
| Yeah, Brian's fine without it, I'm telling you. | ||
| He's not even an angry guy. | ||
| I think, though, it's a great benefit to everybody. | ||
| People can get through life without that benefit, but you're silly. | ||
| You're silly to do it. | ||
| That's what I tell him. | ||
| I'm like, you're silly. | ||
| He got really skinny at one point in time, though. | ||
| Brian was, like, way fat at one point in time, and then he went crazy Weight Watchers, and he shrunk down to, like, a tiny man. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Where are you at now? | ||
| Uh, I'm about halfway back to what I used to be. | ||
| But now it's more just, uh, I eat barely little. | ||
| Like, I eat only at, like, 9 or 10 o'clock at night until I go to bed. | ||
| But it's not like I eat crazy bad. | ||
| It's more like I'll go home and eat Lean Pockets and, uh... | ||
|
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A salad. | |
| But you don't eat until 9 at night? | ||
| Are you saying you literally don't eat food all day? | ||
|
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No. | |
| It's mostly because of Starbucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just jacks himself up with a Trenta double shot. | ||
| He gets Trenta double shots. | ||
| Which is basically cancer. | ||
| It's just cancer in a liquid form. | ||
| So you go all day. | ||
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All day. | |
| And then you hit the lean pockets at night and just crash out. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking super good for you. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You're on the right track, son. | ||
| Here's a video of me... | ||
| When you were super skinny? | ||
| Yeah, super skinny. | ||
| You got really... | ||
| What is the lightest you got? | ||
| You got below 170, right? | ||
|
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Gotcha. | |
| You've just been Rickrolled. | ||
| You don't think this motherfucker doesn't want to hear about Rickrolling? | ||
| When your name is Rich Roll, how annoying is that? | ||
| Every day, man. | ||
| That's so rude. | ||
| Every fucking day. | ||
| That's so rude. | ||
| And it came out of nowhere, too. | ||
| You lived most of your life without a Rick Roll. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, this one fucking song. | ||
| The internet is so bizarre. | ||
| It's the bane of my existence. | ||
| You know what's funny, too? | ||
| You know this rapper, Nipsey Hussle? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's this rapper named Nipsey Hussle and he has a song called Rich Roll. | ||
| So it's all about the Rich Roll. | ||
| And so my Twitter feed fills up with all this crazy insanity from people retweeting this song that I guess is a pretty popular song. | ||
| And so I'm getting confused with this rapper all the time. | ||
| Dude, you should embrace it. | ||
| You should go like the opposite of what Rick Ross did. | ||
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You should do a music video of that song. | |
| Because it's your name. | ||
| You should claim that I'm the real Rich Roll son. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And then maybe you could get hip-hop people into being vegans. | ||
| It's so close to Rick Ross, too. | ||
| It's all confusing. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| It's right next to our neighbors. | ||
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Just buy a lot of trench coats and you'll be good. | |
| Do you fuck around with probiotics? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| There's some pretty good plant-based ones. | ||
| I have this nutrition guru, my buddy, Compton Rom. | ||
| That's his name? | ||
| His name is Compton Rom. | ||
| He would make an incredible guest for you. | ||
| This guy would blow your mind. | ||
| You can watch videos of him on YouTube. | ||
| He talks about some crazy stuff. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Just like the energy of food. | ||
| He has a PhD in microbiology. | ||
| He's helped me a lot with my nutrition. | ||
| He's been a little bit of a mentor. | ||
| He's got a startup company called Ascended Health. | ||
| He's all about trying to find the best superfoods all over the world and provide them to customers. | ||
| He's traveling all the time. | ||
| He's going to, like, Thailand, all these crazy places, trying to find, you know, places where he can grow this stuff. | ||
| And so I would go to his house, and his house looked like, in his kitchen, it looks like a giant meth lab. | ||
| He's got all these tubes everywhere and all this crazy stuff. | ||
| He's like, oh, you gotta try this. | ||
| I just got this resveratrol in. | ||
| It's from the finest Bordeaux grape skins. | ||
| Stuff's amazing. | ||
| I'm going to make some powder for you. | ||
| And he's always trying to help me with my training and racing nutrition by giving me some of this crazy stuff. | ||
| And so his whole thing is he's super knowledgeable about probiotics and microbes because he studied microbes and the GI tract microbial activity forever and ever and knows more about it than anyone I've ever met. | ||
| And it's fascinating, man, because, and I talk a little bit about this in my book, too, that we think we're made up of trillions of cells, right? | ||
| And we think we're these sentient beings and we have control over What we think and our decisions and all of that. | ||
| But at the same time, we have to realize that we have like 10 times the number of our cells in microbes in our gut alone. | ||
| Like our microbial ecology in our GI tract has like, you know, 10 times the number of microorganisms compared to all of our cells in our entire body. | ||
| And there's been these studies that have come out And they're starting to come out where they're studying the extent to which your microbial ecology in your gut can trigger your nervous system and actually impulse you in a decision-making way. | ||
| And they've discovered links between what kind of microbial ecology you have in your gut and the foods that you crave. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Probiotics are all about improving the health of your flora in your gut, right? | ||
| And if you have healthy flora, it craves and feeds on healthy foods, right? | ||
| But if you go to Jack in the Box every day, or you eat Lean Pockets every night, then you're going to have a different kind of microbial ecology. | ||
| The microbes that are in that food start to propagate in your gut, And that takes over and that becomes the ecology. | ||
| And they're realizing that that ecology then sends signals to your brain that makes you crave more of those foods. | ||
| So it's that craving cycle that I was talking about earlier. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| And it sounds insane, but then I was thinking about that. | ||
| You saw, remember the documentary Super Size Me? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So Morgan Spurlock, when he first starts out, remember he's getting sick when he's eating McDonald's? | ||
| He can't handle it. | ||
| He barfs out the window one day when he's a couple days in. | ||
| He just cannot manage. | ||
| I can't imagine going back to McDonald's. | ||
| He's only three days in. | ||
| He's getting sick all the time. | ||
| And then, fast forward a couple days later, and he wakes up with headaches. | ||
| And he's craving the food. | ||
| And his headaches won't go away until he goes to McDonald's. | ||
| So it's like you can make the argument that that could be, you know, attributable to a change in his microbial ecology. | ||
| You know, like now he's replaced his healthy... | ||
| Because I think his wife or his girlfriend at the time was like a vegan chef. | ||
| He was eating really clean. | ||
| And then he just starts eating this McDonald's and he replaces that microbial ecology in his gut with the kind that... | ||
| It feeds on McDonald's and suddenly he's craving it all the time. | ||
| Could you imagine if they found out that McDonald's actually had implanted microbial biology that they created in a lab that specifically makes you want their shitty cheeseburgers? | ||
| You just fucking crave that cheeseburger. | ||
| McDonald's cheeseburgers. | ||
| I saw a thing online where a dude left one out for six months and it never rotted. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that too. | ||
| And I was like, check please. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| No more. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| Only filet of fishes, which are nutritious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And delicious. | ||
| Yeah, I think he let out that it was the burger and I think the fries too, maybe even? | ||
| I saw that though. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think the fries rot either. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's not food. | ||
| It's like, it's just filler. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, it's like gut filler. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you can live on it for short periods of time. | ||
| It's better than starving to death. | ||
| Man, that stuff is fucking bad for you. | ||
| It's so common. | ||
| It's everywhere. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And his numbers from that movie, like, just after 30 days, his doctor was like, this is bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy bad. | ||
| And it took him, like, a couple years to, like, lose the weight and get back to his baseline. | ||
| Did it really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it said it took him a really long time. | ||
| Well, that sounds like he's a lazy bitch. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| People have lost weight quicker than a couple years. | ||
| But I think it wasn't just his weight. | ||
| It was, like, his cholesterol levels and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Did he try to go vegan after that or a heavy vegetable diet? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I know his girlfriend is a vegan chef, so I would imagine he returned to something along that lines, but I don't know. | ||
| Now, what do you think of when you hear guys like Rob Wolf say, eat bacon and eggs for breakfast? | ||
| Well, the first thing I would say is that I have a lot of respect for Rob. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Yeah, and I love the interview. | ||
| Rob and I have the same goal. | ||
| We're both working towards the same thing, which is trying to get people healthier and more fit. | ||
| We differ on a couple You know, subcategories of that. | ||
| But, like, I think Rob is doing good stuff. | ||
| I mean, I definitely disagree when he says you should eat, you know, bacon and eggs for breakfast. | ||
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I think that, you know, and I remember your reaction to that. | |
| Even you were, like, surprised, you know, that that was... | ||
| Well, I've never heard anybody... | ||
| I've never heard anyone say that myself. | ||
| I've never heard anyone say that kale shakes, like, don't eat kale shakes either. | ||
| You don't need any. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So there's a lot about paleo that I think is fantastic. | ||
| They eschew dairy. | ||
| They eschew processed foods. | ||
| I think the only oil that they say is okay is olive oil in moderation. | ||
| We disagree. | ||
| It's a very Like, the idea is low-carb, right? | ||
| Like, it's low-carb, kind of high-protein. | ||
| And I think that, you know, that works really well for losing weight and maybe works for some people in terms of energy levels. | ||
| But my perspective on the whole thing is I'm coming from looking at the healthcare crisis in America, where, like, people are just keeling over with heart attacks constantly. | ||
| You know, I mean, heart disease is rampant, you know, and People are getting diabetes like crazy, and even children are getting diabetes. | ||
| I mean, when we were kids, diabetes wasn't really a thing, right? | ||
| Now, like, diabetes is a huge thing. | ||
| Like, obesity, and the obesity figures are insane. | ||
| Like, 40% of Americans are going to be obese by 2014, and childhood obesity rates are crazy, and school lunches are terrible. | ||
| And when I look at it like that, like, I think that... | ||
| I can't get around the fact that when I read the studies on plant-based nutrition, when you read the China study or you read Dr. Esselstyn's book, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, there's a pretty clear correlation between getting rid of the meat and dairy and eating a whole food plant-based diet and your ability to repair your body from these conditions that are plaguing us unnecessarily. | ||
| Heart disease is a foodborne illness. | ||
| Not only prevent it, you can actually reverse it. | ||
| And this this guy, Dr. Esselstyn, have you ever heard of this guy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, so for maybe your listeners who don't know, he is a he's a badass. | ||
| First of all, the guy was like he's Yale educated and he's an Olympic gold medalist in rowing in like 1968. And I think he was a I think he's a I think he was a Vietnam I think he's a Vietnam veteran also. | ||
| I'm not sure about that. | ||
| But then he became a surgeon, and he was a head surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic, which is, if you have heart disease or you have heart problems, that's where you want to go. | ||
| The Cleveland Clinic? | ||
| The Cleveland Clinic, yeah. | ||
| So if you're feeling like shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Go to Cleveland. | ||
| Yeah, they know what's up there. | ||
| And back in the 70s, he started to realize that when he treated his patients with a plant-based whole food diet, that they were able to reverse their heart disease without surgery. | ||
| And he was starting to look at the... | ||
| I'm having a brain fart. | ||
| What are those pictures of the heart called? | ||
| The angiograms. | ||
| So you'd see these before and after angiograms and you could clearly see, you know, the clogged arteries becoming clear again and it working. | ||
| And that was not a popular thing like in the 1970s and the 1980s. | ||
| To a large degree, it's still not popular, but it didn't make him a popular surgeon there. | ||
| What wasn't popular? | ||
| Well, because they make money off surgery. | ||
| You're saying putting that information out that you can heal yourself through vegetables was not popular because they literally wanted people to be sicker? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's not that they wanted people to be sicker. | ||
| It's just that the system is set up, the way that you profit is by You know, performing expensive surgeries. | ||
| That is the way they profit, but it's a big leap between that and being upset at something that heals people. | ||
| I don't think that it was that they were upset. | ||
| It was that it was new and there wasn't enough evidence at that time to fully substantiate what he was doing. | ||
| So was it. | ||
| They had their sort of, this is what we do here, and when somebody comes in and they're in this condition, We prescribe this procedure. | ||
| And he was saying, I don't want to do that. | ||
| I want to do this intensive diet thing with them and counsel them and see if I can avoid that. | ||
| And that was not a popular option. | ||
| Okay, that makes more sense. | ||
| So essentially, the doctors had a very specific path that they would follow when you had X wrong with you. | ||
| And that path usually led to some sort of a surgery. | ||
| And he was trying to avoid that with vegetables. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that's still true today. | ||
| We were talking about statins. | ||
| You go in with high cholesterol or whatever, your doctor is most likely going to prescribe you statins. | ||
| He may say, you know, change your diet or do this, and then you'll come back and it doesn't change. | ||
| And then he'll say, well, it's genetic and you need to take this medicine. | ||
| In fact, I believe that actually you can lower your cholesterol if you change your diet properly. | ||
| But the point, getting back to Dr. Esselstyn, is that he was sort of blazing this trail a long time ago back when not too many people were listening. | ||
| And it's taken him many, many years to kind of get traction with this. | ||
| And it's taken the China study and his book and the documentary Forks Over Knives to get people sort of paying attention and listening now. | ||
| And now there's kind of like An awareness that didn't exist before. | ||
| And the scientific studies are pretty compelling, that when you remove the animal proteins, you remove the processed foods, and you remove the dairy, that you can really heal yourself. | ||
| Well, if you cut, I mean, what has been proven that that is the order that works. | ||
| Has it been proven that if you cut out the dairy, cut out the processed food, cut out the meat, specifically live off of vegetables, vegetable nutrition, that that is the only way to go? | ||
| Or have they done vegetable nutrition and grass-fed meat and natural meat? | ||
| Yeah, there's plenty of studies out there. | ||
| And what do they show? | ||
| What are the differences between... | ||
| They found that the actual animal protein is the activator of a lot of these congenital diseases. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what do they attribute that to? | ||
| Even game? | ||
| Or is it fatty meats? | ||
| Well, certainly the saturated fat doesn't help, but there's something about the animal proteins themselves. | ||
| And in particular, the casein, which is the protein in the dairy, that proves problematic. | ||
| And what does it do specifically to the human body? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I wish Dr. Esselstyn was here to answer that. | ||
| We're starting to get a little too technical. | ||
| I don't want to speak out of school or say the wrong thing. | ||
| So what they found, though, essentially, was that a lot of ailments are started, and the activator for starting these ailments and diseases is animals. | ||
| So you eat animals, you're going to get certain diseases that you would avoid if you just ate vegetables. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the China study originated around studying cultures where there really wasn't any animal products or animal proteins in their diet and looking at the extent of cardiovascular disease. | ||
| So there's a certain area in China where it had a huge population, like 260,000 people or something like that. | ||
| The incidence of heart disease was almost zero. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And so we began this long epidemiological study where they really took a hard look at it. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| The number zero. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| I don't know if it was zero, but it was close to zero. | ||
| It was very, very, very low. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| How do they make sure that they get the proper amount of protein and the proper amount of amino acids? | ||
| From what I understand, the real issue with the vegan diet is that you have to be really diligent about the proper proteins that you get. | ||
| Because... | ||
| All the various, like even broccoli has protein in it, but it doesn't have like a complete protein like say meat does. | ||
| But there's quinoa and hemp is a very complete protein. | ||
| But how do you make sure that you get the right amount? | ||
| Well, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about that, and there's been a lot of sort of debunking of the complete versus incomplete protein argument that gets pretty technical. | ||
| But I think that if you're eating a well-rounded, balanced, plant-based diet with lots of different... | ||
| Essentially, if you're eating grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables in all the different colors, and you're rotating them through or whatever, then you're not going to have a problem. | ||
| It's almost like Nature has rigged it. | ||
| You're not going to have a protein deficiency. | ||
| And, you know, just speaking from my own experience with this, when I first started on the vegan diet, you know, I was nervous about that. | ||
| I was scared about it, especially as I was starting to train more and more. | ||
| And my cabinet was like full of all kinds of crazy supplements, just tons. | ||
| And I was like, just mounds and mounds of plant-based proteins in my shakes. | ||
| Because I was nervous that I was going to injure myself or I was going to get sick or something like that. | ||
| And over the last couple of years, I've slowly started weaning myself off of a lot of that stuff where I use very little now and I haven't noticed a difference in my ability to, one, recover in between workouts or Build lean muscle mass. | ||
| And my endurance is continuing to improve. | ||
| So I do use hemp protein. | ||
| I love hemp protein. | ||
| I usually combine it with pea protein or sprouted brown roast protein. | ||
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| Pea protein. | ||
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Pea protein. | |
| I had some today in honor of this podcast. | ||
| That's different from urine therapy. | ||
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| Yeah, peas, man. | ||
| Green peas. | ||
| It's very high in protein. | ||
| So what is the debunking? | ||
| I don't even do it every day. | ||
| I only do it when I'm training really hard or I feel like I don't have any lentils in the house or something like that. | ||
| I'm always trying to source my proteins from whole foods. | ||
| So the misconception is that you've got to eat tons and tons of protein and you can only get real good protein, quality protein from animal products. | ||
| I just don't believe that to be true. | ||
| Do you remember when that dude, what is his name, Travis Barker, got in a plane crash and he got burned and he needed a... | ||
| Oh, the drummer. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He needed a skin graft. | ||
| And when he had a skin graft, his body was not healing until he started eating meat again. | ||
| And when he started eating meat again, it started healing rapidly. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| He said that he was a vegan before that, but he had to stop being a vegan. | ||
| I'm pretty sure, I don't want to paraphrase this guy's story, but... | ||
| I'm pretty sure that is how we said it. | ||
| Is there any possible benefit in your eyes to eating animal protein for as far as performance, physical performance as far as, I mean even though it may be the catalyst to triggering certain ailments in certain individuals and that can be documented, is it also possible that there's a benefit to it too? | ||
| And from a performance perspective? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's certainly possible. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| Especially in fast twitch sports? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, what I do is so long, it's a very specific kind of sport that's very different from jujitsu or sprint running or anything like that. | ||
| But there are plenty of, you know, athletes out there in various disciplines that seem to be doing well. | ||
| But, you know, has there been a double-blind, you know, sort of case study on the difference? | ||
| I don't know the answer to that. | ||
| And I think that, you know, for me, it goes back to The reason that I started doing this to begin with, which was, you know, really long-term wellness and not having a heart attack. | ||
| Like, heart disease runs in my family. | ||
| My grandfather, who was a champion swimmer, died of a heart attack in his early 50s. | ||
| And, you know, I have to constantly remind myself that that was what motivated me to do this to begin with. | ||
| It wasn't performance reasons. | ||
| At the same time, if I felt like I was missing something, like if I started to feel like I wasn't recovering or I wasn't improving or I wasn't able to get stronger or I wasn't feeling good, I would certainly entertain the possibility of eating meat if I thought my health was suffering, but I just haven't had that experience yet. | ||
| So, you know, I just try to stick to... | ||
| I don't want to speak for anyone else. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How do you feel about that idea that everybody's got a different sort of nutritional requirement and that some people really shouldn't eat red meat and some people really should be vegetarians? | ||
| It's based on your blood or where your family's origins are geographically and that's the kind of genes that you're carrying around? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Do you buy into any of that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really buy into any of that. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| But hasn't there been evidence that different people that grow up in different parts of the world have different nutritional requirements? | ||
| For instance, people that live in Eskimos or Inuits, they don't like to be called Eskimos apparently. | ||
| Inuits, they have no issues as far as scurvy or anything, but they're not getting any vitamin C. They're just eating salmon. | ||
| They also have a relatively high incidence of heart disease. | ||
| Oh, do they really? | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Um, they, um, I thought the whole deal was, is it cancer that they, that you almost never see in your population and they were attributing that to, uh, the, uh, nutrition that they got from fish oil. | ||
| Do you, uh, do you substitute with any animal, um, like fish oil or anything like that? | ||
| No, I mean, you know, I think getting your omega-3s is really important. | ||
| You know, fish oil is really popular with a lot of people, but you can essentially do the same thing with flax seeds, ground flax seeds. | ||
| I wouldn't use flax oil, but like ground flax seeds are something I put in the Vitamix all the time. | ||
| Why wouldn't you choose the actual oil? | ||
| The oil has been linked to, there's some evidence to suggest that it's linked to incidents of prostate cancer, but for some reason the seeds aren't. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| The seeds have like the case, you know, like they have that casing on them or whatever, so you have to grind them up because otherwise they'll just pass right through you. | ||
| So you grind them up like in a Vitamix? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, or you can buy them ground or you can put them in like a coffee grinder or like a Cuisinart or something like that. | ||
| What about hemp oil? | ||
| That's supposed to be pretty nutritious, too. | ||
| Yeah, I like hemp oil. | ||
| All that stuff has the same benefits as fish oil? | ||
| Well, flax seeds are the closest, from my understanding. | ||
| Does it have the same benefits as far as joint inflammation relief? | ||
| Because fish oil is incredible for that. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's important when it comes to joint relief and looking at inflammation, is looking at the acidic or the alkaline nature of the foods that you're eating. | ||
| And animal products, dairy and meat, tend to be very acid-forming. | ||
| Like, your body has a certain pH, right? | ||
| It's trying to maintain that sort of pH right in the middle. | ||
| But, you know, the foods we eat and the toxins we breathe in the air and stress of our lives or whatever, We can all try to push that one way or the other, and then our body has to kind of go into hyperdrive to bring it back to its normalized state. | ||
| So the truth is that most people that are eating a standard American diet and living the North American way of life are eating a predominantly acidic, acid-forming diet. | ||
| And they're in a state of what's called chronic acidosis. | ||
| And that's a state in which, you know, you're constantly bombarding your body with a very acid-based diet, and your body has to kind of go into hyperdrive to bring it back. | ||
| And that's an environment where you become very rife for getting injured, for getting sick, and it's also, you know, an environment that makes you more prone to those congenital diseases. | ||
| So when you're eating a more plant-based diet, those tend to be, I mean, not every plant food or whatever, It tends to be, in the balance, more alkaline forming. | ||
| And when you're in a more alkaline state, you're not getting sick, you're recovering more quickly, because inflammation is sort of the root cause for a zillion diseases, and it's like the enemy of the athlete, right? | ||
| You're always trying to, like, If you can reduce your inflammation, your muscles are going to repair themselves more quickly. | ||
| You're going to be able to bounce back quicker. | ||
| You're going to be able to train harder. | ||
| It doesn't necessarily make you a better athlete in a short period of time, but protracted over the course of a season, you're going to have a much more efficient and effective training period, and that's going to result in performance gains in the long run. | ||
| So you're essentially saying that all the benefits of taking fish oil, you could get those same benefits with just changing your diet to a vegetarian diet, that you don't need fish oil. | ||
| Well, with respect to fish oil, I mean, the purpose of fish oil is to get those omega-3s, those essential fatty acids, right, that are important. | ||
| I mean, you know, there's a lot of talk about EFAs and the omega-6 and the omega-3, and we get plenty of omega-6 in all the foods we eat or whatever, but the problem comes when The ratio of 6 to 3 is kind of off. | ||
| And most people don't get enough omega-3 in their diets. | ||
| And fish oil is great for kind of rectifying that. | ||
| But my point is only that it's not the only way of dealing with that. | ||
| What are the other vegetarian options besides hemp oil, flaxseed? | ||
| Yeah, hemp oil and walnuts, I believe. | ||
| There's some nuts that are pretty high in that. | ||
| How many do you have to eat? | ||
| Hemp seeds. | ||
| Not that many. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You don't need like a ton of this stuff. | ||
| With fish oil, I've been on like a really high fish oil diet for a long time now. | ||
| I take like 5,000 milligrams, a thousand milligram pill. | ||
| I take five of those in the morning and five of those at night. | ||
| And when I don't do it, I notice a difference in like how my joints feel. | ||
| Like from doing a lot of jujitsu especially. | ||
| I'd be interested if you switch it up to ground flax seeds, if you felt a difference or not. | ||
| Yeah, I would be willing to try, but I always thought that it was like, almost like it was like lubricating. | ||
| It doesn't make sense really, but that it was like... | ||
| WD-40. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| How much oil would you need to lube up your fucking joints? | ||
| But that's how I almost thought it in my head, because there was such a correlation between... | ||
| Taking these pills and joint pain relief. | ||
| I've read a lot of great things about fish oil and studies on fish oil and there's absolutely some nutritional benefit to taking it. | ||
| I don't know why you wouldn't take it unless it was because of the fact that you wanted to not have anything animal in your body, like to just subscribe to. | ||
| Well, I think that you have to be careful with the toxins that are in marine life, too. | ||
| Well, it's all filtered. | ||
| When you buy Carlson's fish oil, they test that stuff, and it's all filtered out. | ||
| You don't have to worry about that. | ||
| The very high-end companies, they test all their stuff. | ||
| But I just don't see why there would be... | ||
| Unless you were into it strictly from the point of view of staying vegan or introducing no animal into your body at all... | ||
| It doesn't seem like there's anything that you lose from taking fish oil. | ||
| It's interesting because any time you say, this food is good, then you can immediately go on the internet and find some reason why it's not. | ||
| You can fall on any category of that. | ||
| There are some studies out there that show that the fish oil thing is a little over-hyped. | ||
| It's hard to quantify who's right and who's wrong and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Have you been to a... | ||
| There's a guy named Dr. Michael Greger. | ||
| He's got a site called nutritionfacts.org. | ||
| And it's amazing. | ||
| The guy has a zillion... | ||
| He puts up videos almost every day. | ||
| And they're short. | ||
| Two to five minutes at max and you can look at, you can enter in any food or any disease or whatever and most likely he has a short video on it and it's all based on peer-reviewed scientific studies or whatever. | ||
| But I always go to that when I have a question about this food or that. | ||
| It's a really good resource. | ||
| I went to nutrition for the first time when I was like 17, when I was losing weight for martial arts competitions and I was fucking my body up and I was trying to figure out how to monitor my nutrition, how to lean myself out in the healthiest way possible to drop the most weight before I had to dehydrate myself. | ||
| But that was Nancy Clark, who's pretty famous for working with athletes. | ||
| She was in Boston at the time. | ||
| She's got a bunch of books on that stuff. | ||
| And I think she's worked with other MMA athletes too now. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| Way after, I mean, I must have done it, did it with her in 85 or something like that. | ||
| But that's when I first became, it was from martial arts competition, before I had to worry about my diet. | ||
| I didn't watch what I ate at all. | ||
| I just ate what I felt like eating, even when I was competing. | ||
| I had no emphasis or focus on nutrition. | ||
| It wasn't until I got older that I just threw trial and error and just going on a whim and saying, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to juice all day. | ||
| I'm just going to have beet juice and carrot juice and celery juice. | ||
| I've done that a few times and you get this weird kind of energy that you get from that intense plant nutrition that you don't get from anything else. | ||
| You really don't. | ||
| It's not the same feeling that you get when you have the satisfaction of a fat ribeye and it's just perfectly cooked and you slice into that medium rare. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| It's not that satisfaction. | ||
| But it is this weird sort of vibrancy that you get. | ||
| Like you're ingesting live plants. | ||
| Essentially, they've just died a short period of time ago. | ||
| They're still vibrant with energy. | ||
| And you don't get that from anything processed. | ||
| And there's a lot of people out there that are miserable, that are depressed, I have friends that have shit-fucking diets and their way of dealing with it is to take antidepressants. | ||
| You've got no exercise, terrible sleep, shit diet, you feel terrible, take a pill, you feel better? | ||
| Really? | ||
| You've got to clean up all that other stuff, man, and then see how you feel. | ||
| If you have all these goddamn issues as far as your diet, as far as your sleep, as far as stress levels, Clean up that shit first before you go take a goddamn pill. | ||
| I mean, we're a nation of crazy people who are addicted to all these weird, new, not-natural, non-native chemicals that we're introducing into our body and that we become addicted to. | ||
| If we could just look, if you could have an overlay of the United States and who's on the influence of any sort of a pharmaceutical drug right now. | ||
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| It's like the matrix. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And not to spin too much of a new age thing, but you're right. | ||
| Food carries a vibrancy and an energy to it. | ||
| It's very specific. | ||
| And in my case, I've been on this crazy, amazing journey that I would have never predicted. | ||
| And it honestly started with changing my diet. | ||
| And so I look at it With, like, a respect and a reverence. | ||
| And I go, this is what catalyzed this path. | ||
| And it opened me, like, it opened my heart to the possibility of living differently and to doing different things than I was doing. | ||
| And, look, you know, people are sicker than they've ever been. | ||
| We're such a prosperous nation, and people are just over-medicated. | ||
| They're fat. | ||
| They're unhealthy. | ||
| And for the most part, they're, people are, you know, there's, what do you think the level of happiness is now compared to what it was like, you know, 100 years ago? | ||
| Do you think we're happier? | ||
| Do you think we're Well, I think obviously it's in the individuals. | ||
| I'm happy as fuck. | ||
| But the thing is, you're doing what you're meant to be doing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You're on a path that you've been blazing for a long time, but you've made something happen that you're passionate about. | ||
| But most people, unfortunately, don't live that kind of life. | ||
| That is true, but I think they could live their own version of it. | ||
| They could. | ||
| And then you can be happy. | ||
| But a lot of people don't. | ||
| And I know this because I was a corporate lawyer. | ||
| I was miserable. | ||
| I was doing the 80-hour weeks. | ||
| And I'd done everything right my whole life. | ||
| Just you saying that makes my spine chill. | ||
| I studied hard. | ||
| I got into the good schools. | ||
| And I played the game. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I got to the place that was supposed to be the brass ring. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| I was not happy and I felt lost. | ||
| It's like a feeling of being in free fall. | ||
| And you have a choice. | ||
| I was making a decent amount of money, so a lot of people in that situation, they'll just gild themselves with stuff they can't afford. | ||
| Like, well, I'll lease that car that's a little bit out of my reach. | ||
| Reward myself. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because when you're unhappy, you know, you need something to solve that wound and then you do that long enough and then you're stuck and you can't make a change or it becomes too difficult. | ||
| And, you know, I think it was Henry David Thoreau that said, you know, the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. | ||
| And I think that's very, very true. | ||
| It's one of my favorite quotes ever. | ||
| And it's sad, man. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| I look at you. | ||
| You've built this thing here. | ||
| You're doing what you love. | ||
| You spend your day laughing. | ||
| I didn't build shit. | ||
| Brian built all this. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, you're like in your juju. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And most people aren't, man. | ||
| I think that's okay. | ||
| He knows Jews. | ||
| You're allowed to use that. | ||
| Yeah, no, most people aren't, but they could be. | ||
| They could be, but it's hard. | ||
| I mean, you think it's hard to change your diet? | ||
| I mean, try overhauling your entire lifestyle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, believe me. | ||
| It's very, very difficult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And scary. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| And we live in a fear-based culture, you know? | ||
| But I did it. | ||
| You know, I went from being a martial arts instructor to being a stand-up comedian and got my car repossessed, went broke, lost all my credit card. | ||
| I mean, I just was a loser for, like, years. | ||
| But you were willing to double down to do that, you know? | ||
| I just didn't want to get brain damage. | ||
| I saw Future in Kickboxing and I was like, you know what? | ||
| This stuff is not good for your fucking head. | ||
| And I was meeting guys at the gym that I knew were punchy. | ||
| I did too many hard sparring sessions. | ||
| I never got knocked out in sparring, but I definitely got my bell rung before. | ||
| I got hit with hard shots before. | ||
| We would trade. | ||
| I worked out at a particularly heavy-duty gym. | ||
| Different gyms have different philosophies as far as sparring. | ||
| Our gym's philosophy was you put on big gloves and you fucking go at it. | ||
| It was basically kickboxing bouts with big giant gloves on and headgear and shin pads and stuff like that. | ||
| And I knew that it was not good for you. | ||
| So for me, it was like I had this crazy, like, I gotta jump ship, I gotta jump... | ||
| Because this is a path of deteriorating brain function. | ||
| Like, I would have moments where... | ||
| I'd be lying in bed. | ||
| And it wasn't even like there was a goal. | ||
| There was no UFC back then. | ||
| So it was just kickboxing. | ||
| And in my opinion, mixed martial arts, first of all, there's way more options. | ||
| And just because there's more options, you can protect yourself, period. | ||
| You could say that mixed martial arts fighters have damage too, and I'll tell you some do, but there's some that don't have any. | ||
| There's some that rarely get hit and that is possible as well. | ||
| The ability to mix up between the striking and the grappling and the fact that you have so many different options. | ||
| A creative and spontaneous approach as well as being able to drill things over and over again until they become zen. | ||
| When you reach a certain level, you can get away with way less damage than any boxer does. | ||
| Like, you'll see certain guys fight in a five-round UFC fight and take very little damage, like a George St. Pierre. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he's so fucking good and his plan is so good. | ||
| But... | ||
| With boxing and kickboxing, you're standing in front of each other and you're hitting each other, period. | ||
| And there's no takedowns and there's no rear naked choke for the finish in the first round. | ||
| There's none of that. | ||
| There's slamming bones into your head trying to shut that melon off. | ||
| And ultimately, for me, I knew that I had to do something differently. | ||
| I was terrified. | ||
| And there was no future in it. | ||
| But because of that, I developed a real compassion for understanding how difficult it is. | ||
| I was 21. I had no children. | ||
| They'd repossessed my car, so I had no car anymore. | ||
| It was really like I could live on the cheap. | ||
| I could scratch by. | ||
| But if you're a person who is trying to change careers, and you have a family, and you have a mortgage, and you have a car that you lease, and you've got to pay for your kids' after-school activities, that is unbelievably hard. | ||
| Very hard. | ||
| At the same time, life's short, man. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Most people are not doing what they want to be doing, or maybe even what they're supposed to be doing. | ||
| So what did you do? | ||
| How did you just exit yourself out from the machine? | ||
| Well, I left corporate law firm life and started my own little thing because I just couldn't live that way anymore. | ||
| What little thing? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Just a solo entertainment law practice. | ||
| And made a lot less money but was able to control my time. | ||
| And that was just a little bit before I changed the diet and started getting back into fitness. | ||
| But because I had control over my Because I didn't have a boss anymore, I could set up my work schedule the way that I want, like Tim Ferriss style, then it allowed me to be able to train at odd hours that wouldn't necessarily flow with somebody who had, you know, a 9 to 5 job. | ||
| But I was able to structure my life so that I could make that possible. | ||
| And again, it was just feeling like, you know, when you feel like you're guided to move in a certain direction, a certain path, you know? | ||
| When your car was repossessed and you were starting to do stand-up and move into that world, I'm sure you felt like this is what you wanted to be doing, this is what you're supposed to be doing, even if there was no real-world material affirmation of that initially. | ||
| There was a lot of apprehension. | ||
| There was a lot of thinking that I was fucking up and I was doing the wrong thing. | ||
| There was not much confidence. | ||
| It's certainly not like I knew this was my path. | ||
| Like, I had an idea that this was something that I could do, but I was terrified because I sucked at it, too. | ||
| There was no evidence that I could ever be really good at it. | ||
| You know, when I quit teaching martial arts, I mean, I was teaching at Boston University. | ||
| I had my own school, and I was making a living teaching Taekwondo, and then, you know, I would deliver newspapers sometimes in the morning. | ||
| I would occasionally take, like, newspaper routes. | ||
| To switch from that, to give up training and teaching entirely altogether, to do something that I wasn't very good at, it was fucking terrible. | ||
| That was a terrifying move. | ||
| I would only make when I was 21. And, you know, when you're 21, you're all fucking cocky. | ||
| But, you know, if I was going to do that in this day and age, is that really one of those old school alarms right outside our door? | ||
| You dumb motherfucker. | ||
| But it would be very hard for me to do something like that today. | ||
| Well, yeah, it's different when you're 21. Does anybody pay attention to car alarms ever? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, open the door, Brian, and make it louder. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| Yeah, your instinct is never, oh my god, somebody's stealing that car. | ||
| No, your instinct is this cunty fucking alarm that's ruining our conversation. | ||
| Is anybody in stand-up good in the beginning? | ||
| No. | ||
| Because I've heard that. | ||
| Everybody says they were awful when they started. | ||
| They can think that they're good. | ||
| What are you doing, man? | ||
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Shut my mic off. | |
| There you go. | ||
| You might think you're good. | ||
| I mean, I've heard people say that they were good right from the very beginning, but they're either full of shit or they were stealing jokes. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense that you were good right from the beginning. | ||
| Unless you had some experience in something else before. | ||
| One group of people that were actually pretty decent, like not bad for beginners, was Alcoholics Anonymous people. | ||
| Because this is driving people on iTunes fucking crazy. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
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You want to take a quick five minute break? | |
| You might keep going, right? | ||
| How long do these things keep going for? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll just pause this, folks. | ||
| We're going to pause this for a couple minutes and let this shit stop. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
|
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This, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| Meow. | ||
| We're very vulnerable folks, technically. | ||
| But we were in the middle of talking about... | ||
| This show's off air. | ||
| There it goes. | ||
| We were in the middle of talking about changing your life and changing your diet, changing your path into something that you love. | ||
| That's something that we stress on this show as much as possible because it's something that someone doesn't tell you when you're growing up in the most formative period of your life. | ||
| They don't say, you're different than me. | ||
| Everyone's different. | ||
| You have to find what you're drawn to, find what you love, and then go chase that. | ||
| I love when I see young people that latch on to something that they love doing when they're young, whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is, that they're just passionate about, and then they just become very self-directed about it. | ||
| I'm so jealous. | ||
| When I was a kid, I wish I had that. | ||
| My whole life kind of doing what I was supposed to and never really stopped to think like, well, what do I want? | ||
| Or what makes me happy? | ||
| Or what am I passionate about? | ||
| It just wasn't really part of my equation, you know? | ||
| And that just seems so wrong. | ||
| Sucks. | ||
| Yeah, it's terrible. | ||
| And it almost like it doesn't even matter what it is. | ||
| You know, everybody has something inside them that they probably, you know, Love doing or could be passionate about or could be good at or whatever. | ||
| Do you think there's some people that are ditch diggers? | ||
| Listen, I think that, look, not everyone can be an NBA basketball player or whatever. | ||
| So not everyone is innately gifted, but I think everybody inside of themselves has something that makes them happy. | ||
| And I think that if you pursue what makes you happy without getting so caught up in how am I going to make money doing this or there's no career in it or whatever, And living a little bit more faith-based with what you're doing and focusing more on the passion that we'd probably be better off. | ||
| And I think people would be happier if that was a priority. | ||
| There would also be a lot more people trying to borrow money. | ||
| There would be a lot more people trying to borrow money. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Well, Hollywood's full of these kind of people. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, there'll be a lot more people that need a loan to try to get through this next thing that they're trying to fucking get launched. | ||
| Kickstarter would have been invented a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah, Kickstarter changed the whole game of begging. | ||
| It made it kind of cool. | ||
| You figured out a way to put a name to it that makes it seem... | ||
| I'm just kickstarting my business. | ||
| I tweeted this yesterday that this company came up with this new light bulb that you can control your iPhone app. | ||
| You put all these light bulbs in your house and you can do all this crazy stuff with them, like change all their colors, change the colors, have them turn on, have them on timers that go off and on. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| They raised a ton of money on Kickstarter. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah, it's a brilliant idea. | ||
| And there's all sorts of different offers that companies give to people that you can actually become a part of. | ||
| Like Cocaine Cowboys. | ||
| Didn't he do something like that? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That wasn't that. | ||
| It was The Union. | ||
| The guys who did The Union. | ||
| His next film that he's doing, he got people to buy it in advance on Kickstarter. | ||
| Instead of just asking for money, he said, listen, I'm going to... | ||
| You'll get the first copies of this film. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think, yeah, the successful product ones, they're almost pre-orders. | ||
| So it won't lose a lot of money because you're going to actually get the product. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's like the people that enjoyed the first film can actually fund and finance the second one. | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| If you look at it that way, it's really cool. | ||
| We live in the most strange times. | ||
| Things like that are just like, you can do that? | ||
| Yeah, you can do that. | ||
| And you can make a lot of money. | ||
| Look at these fucking Kony guys that made millions of dollars. | ||
| Where did that go, by the way? | ||
| That fucking was the quickest in-and-out fad. | ||
| That Kony fad, man. | ||
| That's almost like an alien blip. | ||
| They just tested us for retardation. | ||
| Like a pH test from the heavens. | ||
| In the same way that technology is accelerating, our attention spans are shrinking. | ||
| It's amazing the rapidity with which stuff comes and goes. | ||
| Now, it's immediate. | ||
| It could be the biggest thing ever and then it's immediately forgotten. | ||
| Could you imagine, though, Joseph Kony's email box? | ||
| It's like, nothing, nothing, nothing. | ||
| Millions of emails! | ||
| Millions of emails! | ||
| Stop! | ||
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It was just viral marketing. | |
| Nothing, nothing, nothing. | ||
| He's not getting any emails today. | ||
| Joseph Coney doesn't even get Nigerian scammer emails today. | ||
|
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That was just viral marketing for Peter Pan on Blu-ray. | |
| Yeah, you told me. | ||
| And yet, at the same time, you do this podcast and you hold people's attention for three hours a day, man. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| These people need to get outside. | ||
| Stop listening to this fucking show. | ||
| Go mow your lawn, son. | ||
| Well, they're probably mowing their lawn as they're doing it. | ||
| A lot of people do it while they're working, which is cool as fuck, because then they get to be a part of a conversation instead of just be sitting there screwing widgets together. | ||
| I got on my long training rides. | ||
| I stack it with podcasts because if I'm going out to ride my bike for a long day, an eight-hour training ride or something like that, I can't listen to music the whole time. | ||
| I'd go insane. | ||
| So I'll listen to your podcast, a couple other podcasts, and I just lose myself in the conversation. | ||
| So for me, it's like the longer the better, man. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah, but when we first started out, everybody was telling me we were crazy for doing an hour. | ||
| Ari Shaffir was constantly like, you gotta definitely edit it. | ||
| Can't have more than an hour. | ||
| People are not gonna listen. | ||
| I go, well, how about just don't listen to the rest? | ||
| You can just shut it off at any point in time. | ||
| Like, what fucking difference does it make, son? | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Two hours, three hours? | ||
| You don't have to listen. | ||
| Like, do I get bummed out that a radio show's four hours long and I only was in my car for an hour? | ||
| No, you listen to whatever the fuck you want to listen to. | ||
| I think the key is just giving people content, just keeping it coming. | ||
| That's the most important thing, is the momentum, keeping it coming, and then you become a part of people's daily routine. | ||
| And when you become a part of people's daily routine, then you have an obligation and a responsibility to keep it coming. | ||
| Because now you're bumming a bunch of people out. | ||
| It's not as simple as, You put something out and they enjoy it. | ||
| It's you don't put it out and you bum them out. | ||
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Like, what the fuck? | |
| They're angry with you. | ||
| Fucking Joe Rogan podcast. | ||
| You create an expectation. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you're making junkies and you have to feed those junkies. | ||
| I mean, it seems like... | ||
| Yeah, but you're keeping the quality really high. | ||
| I mean, that David Seaman interview was amazing. | ||
| I never even heard of that guy. | ||
| I was like, why is he having a guy running for Congress on his show? | ||
| And I listened to it. | ||
| I was like, that is amazing. | ||
| I immediately started following him. | ||
| He's coming back. | ||
| He's doing it again. | ||
| Fascinating guy. | ||
| And it's a real interesting... | ||
| I was thinking about it the other day because he's the first guy... | ||
| From like that generation to be in this sort of, you know, a political candidate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the generation gap is very palpable. | ||
| That kid can be president. | ||
| He's coming from a very different place and his priorities and perspectives and all of that are so, just in the way he speaks, are so different from what we're used to. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Well, he's smart. | ||
| He's a smart kid. | ||
| He's like 26 years old and smart as shit. | ||
|
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But it's beyond that. | |
| He is, but it's beyond that, too. | ||
| You know, he is interested in things and is talking about things that no one in the traditional political stratosphere want to get anywhere near. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, either he'll wind up being killed or he'll be the new king. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Either way, we got your back, son. | ||
| You know, I think it's very important that the only way this future is going to be any brighter is if it's very important that we enlighten young people coming up to alternative passive thinking by you telling your story that you had gone down the exact correct path, you know, in some sort of a predetermined pattern to success which would equal success. | ||
| Happiness, supposedly, for you. | ||
| And then reaching that point of success. | ||
| You're not speculating. | ||
| You're one of the rare people that actually made it to the end of the game and went, this is horseshit. | ||
| Okay, let's get out of here. | ||
| You can't get trapped here. | ||
| Let's get the fuck out of here and try something different. | ||
| It has to be done. | ||
| That message, when that message is in some kid's earbud when he's on a train, you know, headed to his job or headed to school or whatever, that message can resonate and change thousands of people's lives. | ||
| I have had more fucking people come up to me in the past two years and say, your podcast changed my life, than... | ||
| Than any one thing that people have said to me other than fear is not a factor. | ||
| They probably said that more than anything else. | ||
| But that fucking theme keeps happening. | ||
| And a lot of it is nutrition and a lot of it is exercise. | ||
| But a lot of it also is just this... | ||
| Understanding that you're not alone in thinking that the standard path seems like shit. | ||
| You're not alone in that. | ||
| There's a lot of other people like us out there. | ||
| And we could all get pigeonholed into some ridiculous patterns that were created without individual personalities and unique traits and artistic intentions and qualities in mind. | ||
| None of that stuff in mind. | ||
| This is a plumber. | ||
| This is a vacuum salesman. | ||
| Go down that path, son. | ||
| You'll be an electrician. | ||
| And we're disconnected from our own heartbeat. | ||
| Most people are like, well, I don't even know what I like. | ||
| We're disassociated from a higher version of ourself. | ||
| A more authentic version that wants to come out is locked down so deep That it's almost like the key is, you know, unfindable. | ||
| Well, we've become a victim of our own culture, of our own creation. | ||
| The culture of our own creation is a culture of predetermined patterns and obligations and things that you just must do, that a lot of them suck. | ||
| And we've become a prisoner to that. | ||
| And this idea that if you do those things, that somehow or another you will be happier is ludicrous. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| But then there's also you have to pay your fucking rent. | ||
| And you want to drive? | ||
| Well, cars are expensive. | ||
| Gas is expensive. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| You've got to get a job, son. | ||
| It's finding the ability to pay yourself You know, feed yourself and on top of that, still pursue a dream. | ||
| That's the hardest thing. | ||
| You gotta do it before you develop any fucking baggage. | ||
| Live lean when you're young, man. | ||
| If I could have done one thing when I was young, it was just to live as lean as possible and keep all those doors and options open so you don't get stuck in some place you don't want to be and make it more difficult for yourself to get out. | ||
| Yeah, I got out, but I could have easily just not gotten out. | ||
| I know a lot of people that didn't. | ||
| I know a lot of people that are postmen somewhere that really want to be a rock star. | ||
| There's a lot of weirdness in this world. | ||
| Most depressing things to be around is someone who never went for it. | ||
| The people that you know that never went for it, that had an idea in their head, whatever it is, be an author, whatever it is, whatever it is, they just never change. | ||
| I want to be a longshoreman. | ||
| I want to be a fucking professional fisherman. | ||
| I want to fucking do what those crab guys do on that crazy show. | ||
| Those guys go fishing for crab just to fucking know I'm alive. | ||
| If you have that thought in your head and you don't do it, you're living like a bitch, man. | ||
| You don't want to have those regrets, man. | ||
| It's the saddest thing in the world, isn't it? | ||
| The feeling that you get when you're around someone who just stayed on the couch, just never pursued anything, artistic, anything, physical, anything, anything. | ||
| For me, it always feels like... | ||
| One of the big things of happiness is seeing improvement. | ||
| Either seeing improvement in stuff that I'm working on, like comedy stuff, or seeing improvement in my jujitsu, or seeing improvement in playing pool, anything to me. | ||
| If I don't see improvement in things, then I get really bummed out. | ||
| I feel like I'm not doing anything. | ||
| I feel lazy. | ||
| I feel like I'm just getting by. | ||
| If I go four or five days where I'm not at least actively working on improving some aspect of my life, I feel totally lazy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What the fuck's going on here, Brian? | ||
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This place is haunted. | |
| This place is haunted. | ||
| I found out that Matt Danzig was coming. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Why? | ||
| Why would that make it haunted? | ||
| Because his podcasts are haunted. | ||
| Oh, his podcasts are haunted. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's had two podcasts that fucked up. | ||
| Two? | ||
| One, Ari's podcast. | ||
| He did this long podcast with Ari Shafir and it got deleted. | ||
| And we couldn't retrieve it. | ||
| And then mine, which just crashed recently. | ||
| So he made me podcast haunted. | ||
| He's coming back tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, tomorrow is going to be a crazy day, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We have not just... | ||
| Powerful Mac Danzig. | ||
| We have Billy Corbin, who's the director and producer of Cocaine Cowboys. | ||
| He's coming in with Mad Flavor, a.k.a. | ||
| Joey Diaz. | ||
| So Joey Diaz and the director of Cocaine Cowboys. | ||
| And Joey was on the phone with me yesterday, who was dropping knowledge. | ||
| He was warming up for this. | ||
| He goes, let me tell you something, dog. | ||
| I'm going to tell people shit I ain't never told before. | ||
| I'm going to tell people shit I ain't never told before, Joe Rogan. | ||
| I'm going to go back to my uncle. | ||
| We can call him in Miami, 70 years old. | ||
| He'll tell you what the fuck happened. | ||
| And he started going off and screaming at me on the phone. | ||
| After he screamed at me for leaving a message, I fucked up and left a voicemail message on his machine. | ||
| If you leave a message on his machine, he'll go crazy and call you up and motherfuck you. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He doesn't like to listen to messages. | ||
| But he gets angry at you. | ||
| So if you call his voicemail, he goes, what the fuck did I tell you? | ||
| No messages! | ||
| Do not leave a message on this fucking phone! | ||
| So if you leave a message, he goes, bananas. | ||
| Even if you have like... | ||
| Tell him to turn that... | ||
| You can turn that off, can't you? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He's Joey Diaz. | ||
| He's a fucking ape. | ||
| He doesn't know what's going on. | ||
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Unless you have cash. | |
| Unless you have a job. | ||
| Yeah, that phone might as well be solid wood. | ||
| He doesn't know what the fuck the buttons do. | ||
| It shuts off and it runs out of batteries and he hands it to somebody. | ||
| He's getting better at that, though. | ||
| He sent me text messages before and I stuck it in his face. | ||
| I go, what the fuck is this? | ||
| You sent me a text message? | ||
| For the longest time, Joey just had a pager when everyone had cell phones. | ||
| He still had a pager. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't have a cell phone until like the 2000s. | ||
| I'm not bullshitting either, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Joey Diaz had a pager. | ||
| Did he have a pager when you met him? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He might have had a pager when you met him. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He kept a pager deep, deep into his history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When a lot of people had given up the ghost on the pager. | ||
| It's weird how these things just haven't been around that long, and yet you can't even imagine not having them anymore. | ||
| Do you remember the transitionary period where a lot of folks in the urban community had those little pagers that would send messages, and you could send a little message to somebody? | ||
| Meet me at the club. | ||
| Black folks were way ahead of the curve on that. | ||
| They were way ahead of the curve. | ||
| I never thought that would have caught on. | ||
| Like, what are you guys doing? | ||
| Are you texting? | ||
| I didn't even say texting. | ||
| It wasn't even called texting. | ||
| I was like, you're writing each other letters? | ||
| Like, why are you doing that? | ||
| And they were like, well, it gets loud in the club. | ||
| I was like, oh, it gets loud in the club. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| That's what started it all. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| That's what started it all. | ||
| It was too loud in the club. | ||
| Fast forward to the iPhone 5. Well, not only that, but a lot of times, there's another thing that is a phenomenon in the urban community. | ||
| They like to talk on speakerphone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know what's up with that. | ||
| I've talked about this on this podcast, and people have accused me of being racist. | ||
| I'm not touching that. | ||
| Right after they accused me of being racist, I went to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles, and there's a dude standing right in front of the place, talking on his phone like this. | ||
| Oh, hell no! | ||
| Oh, hell no! | ||
| The other dude was talking loud. | ||
| You could hear the other dude like super loud. | ||
| Maybe he heard the Sheryl Crow story, and he's worried about brain tumors, but I don't think so. | ||
| I think there's something going on. | ||
| They even had a commercial. | ||
| Remember that commercial for Boost Mobile? | ||
| They would have their cell phones like, where you at? | ||
| They would talk into it! | ||
| They're not doing this. | ||
| They're not treating it like a white person phone. | ||
| No, they're holding it, where you at? | ||
| Where you at? | ||
| That was the commercial. | ||
| They were doing it urban style. | ||
| It's a weird thing. | ||
| So I guess that didn't work, you know? | ||
| Cell phones and clubs. | ||
| It's when you're on speakerphone all the time. | ||
| It's fucking, you can't hear shit. | ||
| It's fucking chaos. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| So, imagine? | ||
| I mean, remember, I used to have jokes in my act about how text messages were stupid. | ||
| In 2005, my Showtime special, I totally mocked text messaging. | ||
| It takes you four presses to get an S. This was before anybody had keyboards. | ||
| They were starting out with that crazy shit where you would have to press four times to get an S. That was ridiculous. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Dude, we're dinosaurs. | ||
| I remember when the texting plans were like, 25 texts per month, 50 texts per month, 100! | ||
| Yeah, if you've got a girlfriend, you go through that in a day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| Girls love texting. | ||
| People are dying and crashing their cars because they just can't keep their fingers off it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a real issue. | ||
| It's a real issue. | ||
| They say it's one of the worst distractions ever, that you literally cannot focus on your phone. | ||
| It's like zooming in on something like that and intently is so... | ||
| It's so non-peripheral. | ||
| You don't see anything peripheral. | ||
| You're completely concentrated on that thing. | ||
| Some lady almost ran into me at the mall the other day because she was on her phone. | ||
| She was doing this and she looked up and I was like right in the crosswalk. | ||
| People are fucking nuts, man. | ||
| They're nuts. | ||
| And we've created this weird culture, again, that we're a prisoner to. | ||
| And one of the prisons is technology. | ||
| I mean, we benefit from it, no question about it. | ||
| But we're also locked into this really weird, symbiotic relationship with it. | ||
| Like, I do not leave my house without my phone, man. | ||
| If I don't have my phone on me, I feel weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is a weird feeling. | ||
| It's like, where's my fucking phone? | ||
| Shit! | ||
| And I'll panic. | ||
| Even though it's like, all you have to do is you buy a new phone, you stick it in your computer, all your contacts come up. | ||
| It takes you... | ||
| I mean, if you lost your phone, it's not the most... | ||
| But you're like, how am I going to call people? | ||
| I'm alone. | ||
| I'm out here on my own with no tether. | ||
| Marooned in the desert. | ||
| Yeah, we're afraid to be in a fucking town without a cell phone on. | ||
| I mean, I feel bizarre if I'm in a town, like say, and it's like a place where you can walk around, and I leave my phone in my hotel room, and then I'll go downstairs and I'll just walk to a restaurant and sit down. | ||
| I feel fucking strange! | ||
| Like, I feel like I can't talk to anybody right now. | ||
| And it gets even crazier with all the social media. | ||
| Like, you have this compulsion to check Twitter and see what certain people are saying that... | ||
| These are people you don't even know. | ||
| Well, some people have it hooked up to their phone where they get a text message every time someone tweets any sort of a mention of their name. | ||
| Yeah, that's insane. | ||
| Doug Benson has that! | ||
| So does Dom Herrera. | ||
| I tweeted on Instagram the other day a picture of Dom Herrera in his sexy pool moves when he was shooting pool and it showed up on his phone. | ||
| I'm like, you silly bitch. | ||
| You need to turn that shit off. | ||
| I'll have people just... | ||
| Oh, I think I already have. | ||
| Do that. | ||
| Now your phone's going to blow up Don Morero. | ||
| Your mention feed is insane. | ||
| It just scrolls like crazy all day long. | ||
| You can't read all that stuff. | ||
| I read as much as I can, but the problem is some people think I read it all. | ||
| And they're like, did you respond to my text? | ||
| Did you respond to my tweet? | ||
| I'm like, did you respond to my tweet? | ||
| You want me to really go into your thing? | ||
| There's a lot of people here, dude. | ||
| You had the chance to say it again right there, and you didn't. | ||
| You just said, did you respond to my tweet? | ||
| Did you respond to fans? | ||
| Do not respond to fans. | ||
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Is that what's up? | |
| Oh, the negative approach. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| The guilt move. | ||
| Always good. | ||
| I was hearing Howard Stern talk about Twitter, about how many people are nasty to him on Twitter and how evil they are. | ||
| I don't get that. | ||
| I really don't get that much. | ||
| Twitter is pretty overwhelmingly positive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For the most part, compared to other platforms that I've found. | ||
| I get overwhelmingly positive. | ||
| I mean, there's always a few cons. | ||
| But it's so easy to block them. | ||
| Why even bring them up? | ||
| And it's rare. | ||
| It's just really rare. | ||
| And I think a lot of people on Twitter, like, you look at their names, it's like, that's their real name. | ||
| It's more than, say, message boards. | ||
| Message boards, I've always felt like we have a message board on JoeRogan.net. | ||
| And I've always felt like part of the problem is the anonymity that it provides. | ||
| In a way, it's good because people can talk about things, especially people that have sensitive jobs and people that are at work. | ||
| They can get away with talking about things and there's no way to Google them and data reference their name. | ||
| But in a way, it's bad because people say shit without any... | ||
| They don't worry about the social repercussions of looking at a person's eye and calling them a cunty douchebag. | ||
| And then you're like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| That negativity is gone. | ||
| So it's just these verbal barbs. | ||
| I think with Twitter, a lot of times, people have their photo. | ||
| It's not everybody, but a good percentage. | ||
| I'm looking at my Twitter feed, and most of these are people's names. | ||
| They're real people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a few that aren't. | ||
| There's a few, like, weird names where, you know, it's like maybe, like, one of them's Devo. | ||
| Bitch, you're not Devo, you know? | ||
| And it's Devo is me, is his Twitter name. | ||
| You're not Devo, son. | ||
| I mean, you might like Devo, but you're not Devo. | ||
| Who are you really? | ||
| Right. | ||
| His name is Mike Callahan or whatever the fuck his real name is. | ||
| When, I think, the more we have that, the more we have, like, a sort of a transparency about, like, who, like, I think people are less likely to just lash out and have it become super negative. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I mean, I think a couple weeks ago when you retweeted a video I made of a kale shake or something like that. | ||
| We had a back and forth over kale Vitamix or something like that. | ||
| So you retweeted this stupid little video that I made of just me making a drink after a run. | ||
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And I got slammed with the comments. | |
| Death Squad, Army, in full effect. | ||
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Just like, if I saw that guy in the street, I would, you know, stab him in the face. | |
| What? | ||
| It's like the most benign thing ever. | ||
| Stab him in the face for making a shake? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I mean, there were some that were fine too, but I was like, suddenly out of the blue, all these comments popped up. | ||
| So it's clearly as a result of you having this huge following or whatever. | ||
| Why do they want to stab you, though, for your dietary choice? | ||
| People are very threatened by the kale, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, that's why they don't know what to do with me. | ||
| Because I enjoy the kale. | ||
| I love the kale. | ||
| I'm a big fan of pure vegetable meals. | ||
| It's just food. | ||
| It is just food, but people need to be on a fucking team, okay? | ||
| Now they're in the death squad army, and if they feel like they're being attacked by vegetarians, they'll fucking throw out all their vegetables. | ||
| I don't know why we all can't just get along, to quote Rodney King, before he drowned on PCP in a swimming pool. | ||
| It seems to me that the real problem is annoying people. | ||
| It's not vegetarians. | ||
| It's not meat eaters. | ||
| The real problem is annoying people. | ||
| People that are annoying, that's the issue. | ||
| It's not your different ideology, your different desire. | ||
| I know people that legitimately really love classical music and they can't wait to get home. | ||
| To put on headphones and sit there in front of some shit that, to me, would just drive me out of my head. | ||
| I can listen to classical music for a couple minutes, and then I go, you know what I could be listening to right now? | ||
| Led Zeppelin. | ||
| Why am I listening to this stupid shit when I can hear a whole lot of love? | ||
| To me, I don't like classical music, but it doesn't mean that it's not awesome to you. | ||
| It's the same thing with dietary choices, the same thing with the way you dress. | ||
| Have at it, man. | ||
| Enjoy your life. | ||
| We've lost a little bit of... | ||
| Tolerance. | ||
| Acceptance and tolerance. | ||
| It's one of the dumbest things to lose. | ||
| That diversity is a good thing. | ||
| It's huge! | ||
| Why are you taking a dump on somebody else's preference that has nothing to do with you? | ||
| By the way, tolerance and acceptance of people benefits your life very much directly. | ||
| It benefits the way you feel. | ||
| The more tolerant and accepting you are of people and the more you're just cool with people, The more positive interactions you'll have, the better your feeling in life will be. | ||
| And that's like a real direct thing. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And the negative shit that a lot of people project at people for no reason, what it really is, is your own shortcomings magnified through your personality traits. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the person that's being projected upon. | ||
| Very rarely does. | ||
| Very rarely does. | ||
| You just choose them for your ire, the target of your bullshit. | ||
| But the reality is you wouldn't have that bullshit. | ||
| I tried to explain this to a guy once who was a heckler. | ||
| I was like, you have to be a loser. | ||
| There's no way you can be a winner. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Do you really think that Michael Jordan would go to a comedy club and heckle? | ||
| Do you think anybody who would be really good at anything would interrupt a performance and just try to interject? | ||
| No, you have no appreciation for things that are good. | ||
| This is a dire moment for you where you need to realize this. | ||
| Anybody who would try to fuck up someone's time If you're trying to fuck up their enjoyment, you're trying to fuck... | ||
| You got something wrong with you, man. | ||
| You got something wrong with you. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| You have to be fucked up. | ||
| And if you weren't that way, you would be happier, believe it or not. | ||
| Like, that energy that you put out is palpable. | ||
| The energy that you put out being an asshole is real. | ||
| And it does come... | ||
| It does flavor your life. | ||
| It definitely comes back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for you, you feel that's dietary as well. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So what do you mean? | ||
| I mean, as far as putting out energy, you're taking in vegetables. | ||
| You have almost like that existence of only eating vegetables and not being connected to animals. | ||
| You know, while farming or, you know, any of that horrible shit that you see in Food Inc. | ||
| Well, we're still all connected to it, you know, just by virtue of living here and all the other things that we have to do. | ||
| Do you drive a Prius? | ||
| Please say no. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
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| I don't. | ||
| If you drive a V8, like a fucking muscle car, I'd be very proud of you. | ||
| I wish. | ||
| Get to it. | ||
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I wish. | |
| What the fuck? | ||
| What have we been talking about these past two hours? | ||
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Give me the keys. | |
| You really wish. | ||
| You really wish. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You need to get a Kickstarter account to get every vegan. | ||
| I really need that GTO. A muscle car. | ||
| Yeah, no, there's a certain... | ||
| I guess it sounds weird to say it, but there's definitely a feeling of greater harmony in the environment. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| It sounds really stupid. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| I'm going hunting for the first time in October with Steve Rinella. | ||
| He's a guy who had a TV show on the Travel Channel called The Wild Within. | ||
| Now he's got a new one called The Meat Eater. | ||
| His original show was all about... | ||
| You know, sort of like living off the land. | ||
| And he would do a lot of things that were really similar to what people had to do in the 1800s. | ||
| Like he would kill a water buffalo with a musket and shit like that. | ||
| And in his new show, it's all about what you call fair chase hunting. | ||
| And one of the things that I've been really paying attention to a lot lately... | ||
| is the idea of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle being actually Like a physically benefiting experience for people and that there are certain amounts of, there's a certain system, a reward system that's in our bodies that is satisfied with growing your own food. | ||
| There's a certain reward system that's satisfied with the hunting and fishing and that our bodies are essentially the same as the bodies of people that lived 20,000 years ago. | ||
| There's very little genetic change and that we still have these reward systems, these primal feelings of satisfaction that are built into our very being as a human being in order to motivate us to do the correct things to survive and to carry on. | ||
| And me, personally, as a person who's a meat eater, I've never killed an animal ever. | ||
| You know, except accidentally, like, car accidents and shit. | ||
| You know, I've never, like, went hunting. | ||
| I've never... | ||
| Actually, I shot a squirrel with a BB when I was, like, little. | ||
| I think I might have killed that little guy. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry, squirrel. | ||
| But what I'm saying is I've never hunted anything and killed what I ate. | ||
| And I don't know how I'm going to feel. | ||
| I might shoot a deer and be like, okay, fuck this. | ||
| I need to get some beats because I'm done with this. | ||
| Or I might go, well, you know what? | ||
| If I didn't shoot that thing, it would probably get hit by a car. | ||
| Or it would get killed by a coyote. | ||
| Or, you know, it's like it's going to die. | ||
| It's not going to live forever and become magical. | ||
| What's the term you use? | ||
| Fair... | ||
| Fair chase. | ||
| Fair chase. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| That means you don't set up bait. | ||
| You don't put out, like, bait and leave food in a very certain spot over and over again so that you know the animals will be there. | ||
| In Texas, they actually have feeders where they have these giant drums that dispense food on a timer. | ||
| So in the morning, the deer just start walking in because they know they're going to get fed because most of the time you're not hunting there because they have... | ||
| Giant, what they call high-fence ranches, and these high-fence ranches, it's essentially like they've converted, they've done like a mixture of farming and hunting. | ||
| Because it's like, it's really like farming. | ||
| I mean, you're just harvesting meat. | ||
| You're in a blind, the animal walks out to the spot he goes to every day, goes to get his food, and Bob blew me! | ||
| His heart blows out of his chest and he's done. | ||
| He lies there at his legs kicking. | ||
| You turn him into meat and you cook him up. | ||
| And that's a way more humane solution for sure than a factory farm. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| I'm not criticizing it, but that's not what Steve Rinella does. | ||
| What Steve Rinella does, he believes that the real... | ||
| Satisfaction comes from stalking the game, finding the right place to be, whether you're upwind or downwind, and getting away from the area where the animal can detect you, and stalking and hunting an animal the way people did thousands and thousands of years ago. | ||
| Did you read that book, Born to Run? | ||
| No. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's called Born to Run by Christopher McDougall. | ||
| It's an amazing book. | ||
| He's a contributing writer to, I think, Men's Journal or Outside Magazine or something like that. | ||
| It was a hugely successful book. | ||
| Let me shut this door. | ||
| door. | ||
| Anyway, this guy went down to the Copper Canyon in Mexico, which is this really remote area I think it's in the northern part of Mexico, but below the Arizona border somewhere. | ||
| And it's like a land lost in time. | ||
| Like, it's impossible to get in and out of there. | ||
| And there are these tribes in there called the Tarahumara. | ||
| And they're like this It's a population of endurance runners that essentially run barefoot. | ||
| They have little sandals or whatever. | ||
| And they'll run incredible distances. | ||
| And in the course of the book, he gets to sort of commune with these people and it goes into kind of like ultra running and the barefoot running movement and the history of how the running, you know, how Nike Sort of created this business around running shoes. | ||
| It's fascinating, but one of the things he talks about is this theory that man evolved as a persistent hunter and that we evolved to be endurance runners because we would go to We could chase down these animals that are faster than us, that have much more fast twitch muscle. | ||
| You can't run as fast as them. | ||
| But eventually, they get exhausted. | ||
| Like, they can't run days at a time. | ||
| And these humans would just patiently People still do it today. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the idea that we were sort of bred to be endurance athletes or runners as a result of this That's fascinating. | ||
| So did they use weapons when they first did it or did they just like strangle them and hit them with a rock once they got tired? | ||
| Yeah, I think it was sort of like these animals would be so exhausted that there wasn't much need to do anything severe. | ||
| Like they'd keel over, they'd hit them with a rock. | ||
| Wouldn't it be fascinating if we really knew for sure? | ||
| It's like really funny when you have like things like that like how did we develop this ability to do this? | ||
| When did they figure out about persistence hunting and running? | ||
| It would be really amazing if we could know for sure. | ||
| It's so funny about how much of like the past of human beings is like This weird just ideas where you're trying to like piece it together and like formulate like a vision of how things went down. | ||
| It's really hard to just extrapolate that across you know and apply it to a certain nutritional way of living like you know with paleo it's sort of all right well paleolithic but you know how many how many thousands of years ago are we talking about or millions of years ago four million forty million forty thousand Right, what is it where your body accepts it? | ||
| And what part of the world and, you know, certain peoples evolved to, you know, had an approach to food because of what was available to them in a different way than somewhere else. | ||
| And piecing that puzzle together is, you know, I mean, it's tricky. | ||
| And they've just started finding some really interesting things that show that you might be dealing with far, far older societies than we think in the first place. | ||
| Like, they're always pushing the dates back of, like, when people figured certain things out. | ||
| Like, there's some cave art now that they've discovered now that they're looking at, like, 40,000-plus years ago. | ||
| And, like, okay, this is, like, this throws things way back. | ||
| You know, there's... | ||
| It's really a fascinating thing, trying to piece together what human beings, how we become what we are right now, and what led us to this point, this apex of 2012, the whole process of hunter and gathering. | ||
| I mean, that's what a lot of people say, the thing went wrong when we developed agriculture. | ||
| That's when the thing went wrong. | ||
| So we figured out how to have a surplus, because then we had to defend that surplus, and then we had this big fucking fort. | ||
| But that was also sort of the birth of civilization and the intellect, too. | ||
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| Where it went wrong. | ||
| It's where it all went wrong, man. | ||
| We fucked it up. | ||
| We fucked it up by thinking. | ||
| We could have been having a great time back in the... | ||
| Spending a week chasing down one gazelle. | ||
| Yeah, the video where the guy does it, he does it in Africa, the video that I saw, and he's fucking persistent hunting. | ||
| So he just... | ||
| How long did it take him? | ||
| Forever. | ||
| It was a long day. | ||
| He just kept chasing this fucking thing. | ||
| And at the end, he was so tired. | ||
| And they said that the guy doesn't even eat it. | ||
| The guy who kills the animal didn't even eat it out of respect for the process or the connection that he has to the animal. | ||
| That's the weirdest thing. | ||
| One of the weirdest things about human beings is our lack of connection to what food is. | ||
| People that get upset if you want to go hunting, yet they're wearing leather. | ||
| People that eat meat but would never kill it themselves. | ||
| We've really figured out a way to completely disconnect people from the process, which I can't see that being natural. | ||
| Just living with this ignorance. | ||
| But denial and disassociation are very powerful. | ||
| And they're powerful defense mechanisms for just getting through the day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you fix that? | ||
| How do you... | ||
| Is there a way to inspire in the classroom a different way of looking at things so that people don't grow up to be the same fucked up pattern monkeys over and over and over again? | ||
| Well, it's weird, because in some ways I feel like it's changing and it's getting better, and then in other ways I feel like it's moving backwards. | ||
| I mean, when you have the internet and you have all this unbelievable, you know, amount of information available to you where you can find out anything in an instant and you can get to the bottom of, you know, what's happening in subject X, that's like a good thing, right? | ||
| Like, it pulls the covers on a lot of people and a lot of organizations and what have you. | ||
| And yet, at the same time, you have traditional media that's becoming even more and more entrenched. | ||
| You know, it's sort of like, remember when we were kids? | ||
| It was like the local news and that was how you got your news, you know? | ||
| And you're going to believe what they tell you. | ||
| And now, with the internet, you watch the news and you're like, well, I don't know if that's the whole story. | ||
| And why aren't they saying this? | ||
| And it's easy to go online and extrapolate upon that and find out more and figure out why they're not telling you this part of the story or that. | ||
| Whereas you didn't have that before. | ||
| Yet at the same time, I feel like we're more and more entrenched in this fear-based culture in which there's a clampdown. | ||
| So where does that lead us? | ||
| Ultimately, does that implode on itself? | ||
| How does that all play out? | ||
| That's the question, right? | ||
| I mean, it is playing out. | ||
| And I think, believe it or not, without sounding grandiose, conversations like this are a part of the decision-making process. | ||
| It's a part of how society looks at it, about how we approach it, because there's a lot of people that are like you that realize that this is not natural. | ||
| This whole thing is bizarre, and it can go wrong. | ||
| It can all go wrong. | ||
| This fear-based culture that you brought up, the idea of the lack of civil liberties, the lack of privacy that we really have in this country now, the laws that are being passed over and over again that allow people to Look into your stuff because you might be a terrorist. | ||
| How did we not learn from the McCarthy era? | ||
| How did we not learn that the way is not to crack down? | ||
| Because we're distracted. | ||
| We're distracted by our iPhones and the Kardashians. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| People are... | ||
| There is a malaise. | ||
| And technology plays a huge part in that, in distracting us. | ||
| Again, it's like the Matrix. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's weird because... | ||
| You used to be, if you were to talk about this kind of stuff or propose any of these ideas, you were just a crazy conspiracy theorist. | ||
| But now, there's too many crazy things going on to not, you know, realize that there's a lot of truth to all this stuff. | ||
| I mean, everything from, like, the label on the front of a food product that you buy that's telling you this and that, you turn around and look at the nutrition facts panel and you realize it's nonsense. | ||
| Or how about genetically modified foods? | ||
| Well, that's insane. | ||
| To the people that are making them, have you looked down the road 20 years and found out what's going to happen when people eat these? | ||
| That's really scary. | ||
| How's it going to alter the environment? | ||
| You're developing a fucking thing that has a natural pesticide? | ||
| Humans are not, we're not wired to be forward-thinking or to consider the long play, you know? | ||
| No, we're a bunch of scary creeps, button-pushing monkeys and bang sticks. | ||
| Where did I just hear recently somebody said, I can't remember where I heard this, but if all the insects died, that, uh... | ||
| If all the insects died, the whole earth would be dead in 50 years or something like that. | ||
| But if all the humans died, the earth would thrive. | ||
| It would repair itself. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| I mean, just the mass of ants and the jobs that ants do. | ||
| People don't understand. | ||
| You know, gazelles have to be there, then that means you have to have cheetahs. | ||
| You have to have something that cleans things up. | ||
| And, you know, ants play a very important role in the removal of shit that we leave around. | ||
| I mean, ants have, you know, when you leave something on a table and the ants swarm it, that's what they're supposed to do. | ||
| They find shit on the ground. | ||
| They find dead bodies. | ||
| They find everything. | ||
| And they go to work. | ||
| What about all this craziness with the bees? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It's weird because there's a bunch of different theories and no one seems to know what the fuck it is. | ||
| Some people say it's cell phones and that the extra cell phone signals are fucking with the bees. | ||
| And I've talked to experts and they say there's no doubt about it that it has an effect on the bees. | ||
| That the frequency that they operate in, that they can pick up bands of radio waves and things because of their antenna. | ||
| I mean, they communicate with each other. | ||
| We had a thing on Fear Factor once where we covered these people in bees. | ||
| And when we were out in this place called Sable Ranch, and it's a huge ranch, and a natural hive of bees was at the ranch. | ||
| So they have all these bees on these people. | ||
| These local bees came flying in, like a giant group of them, and they all made a huge cloud in the sky. | ||
| And the bee handler was like, alright, everybody, let's back away from this. | ||
| Everybody get way back. | ||
| They've got to work this out. | ||
| So they worked it out. | ||
| They communicated with each other, and they found out who was who, and then the local bees separated. | ||
| And they let the bees that were this guy's honeybees, the trained bees, they're never trained, the contained bees, I guess you would say, let them go about their business. | ||
| But it's like there was some communication going on. | ||
| And this guy said they had to work this out. | ||
| That's how he described it. | ||
| And I go, what do you mean work it out? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing. | ||
| Because I... What's amazing is that nobody seemed to give a fuck. | ||
| I was baffled. | ||
| I'm like, are they up there talking? | ||
| Are they talking right now? | ||
| His bees were like... | ||
| They all got together. | ||
| And I was amazed that this guy knew what was going on. | ||
| That he knew that some local bees came in. | ||
| And he knew that that's all they had to do. | ||
| They just had to get together and talk. | ||
| I'm like, how often does this happen? | ||
| And he's like, it happens all the time. | ||
| The bees find out there's some other bees in their area. | ||
| Like, how the fuck are they finding out? | ||
| I guess they send scouts, maybe? | ||
| They have one guy that's like, dude, there's a fucking hundred guys I never met before. | ||
| How does the scout come out and then come back and communicate that information to get everyone else to come out? | ||
| Yeah, they say they do it through pheromones. | ||
| There's a lot of confusion about how they do it and what level of communication they actually have because they're so alien to us. | ||
| They're fascinating. | ||
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If they're using any of our cell phone networks, they're probably just texting each other. | |
| I think they're just getting jacked. | ||
| I think our cell phone networks are like jackhammers in their heads. | ||
| They're disappearing, but they can't find them either. | ||
| It's sort of like, where are they going? | ||
| Well, they're not disappearing. | ||
| They're dying. | ||
| They're not breeding properly, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| And if we don't have bees, especially honeybees, we're really fucked. | ||
| We need to come up with little robot bees that do a better job than bees. | ||
| Little tiny microscopic robots that go out and pollinate shit. | ||
| Is that so hard? | ||
| Yeah, why do you have to have drones to kill people in Pakistan? | ||
| We need some drone bees. | ||
| The bee is so complex. | ||
| What if we have this badass bee that's less complex and we control that little motherfucker? | ||
| All it has to do is pollinate. | ||
| We can make our own honey, I'm pretty sure. | ||
| We don't need bees for that, right? | ||
| Can we figure out a way to make artificial honey? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| They say that local honey from the area that you are contains protection from the local ailments. | ||
| Like, say, if there's local colds going on. | ||
| That it would be a good antioxidant, not cure, but a good prevention from catching local colds. | ||
| Raw honey. | ||
| And raw food really is where it's at. | ||
| The real problem with milk for a lot of people is the... | ||
| The fact that you have to get it homogenized and pasteurized. | ||
| If you get raw milk, it's way easier to digest. | ||
| I don't necessarily know. | ||
| That makes government crazy. | ||
| Well, I mean, that whole thing that went down in Santa Monica, I think they're still in... | ||
| What happened? | ||
| There was that, there's a, was it the Santa Monica Co-op? | ||
| Or there was some place in Santa Monica that was selling raw milk. | ||
| And the government, like, clamped down. | ||
| They, like, raided the place. | ||
| I guess they'd given them a couple warnings or maybe had done, like, a mellow raid earlier. | ||
| And they kept trying to sell raw milk. | ||
| And then they finally went in, like, guns blazing and shut them down. | ||
| And there's always lawsuits now. | ||
| Yeah, the guy was on, like, a million dollars bail or something. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Well, what I found out, though, is that raw milk is still legal. | ||
| You can buy raw milk in this country, in this state. | ||
| So, what did the guy do that was... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some regulatory issue. | ||
| But Sprouts in Woodland Hills has raw milk. | ||
| They do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's certain companies that, in California, sell raw milk. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah, hold on. | ||
| There's a famous raw milk company, and they list where they sell it. | ||
| And they sell it at quite a few different places. | ||
| Yeah, we need to find the law on that, because raw milk... | ||
| I was under the mistaken impression that it was illegal because they pulled it out of Whole Foods. | ||
| Whole Foods? | ||
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| Whole Foods? | ||
| Raw Milk, Los Angeles. | ||
| Yeah, let me see here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can get... | ||
| There's websites that are... | ||
| Then what happened with that guy in Santa Monica? | ||
| Because that was a gnarly situation. | ||
| There's actually a raw milk store in Hollywood. | ||
| Shout out to the OPDC Hub, a raw milk store where you can buy raw milk in L.A. Yeah, oops, every now and then it sickens 10 people. | ||
| Raw milk sickens 10 people. | ||
| Well, you know, the thing about raw milk is, it's like the thing, you're not supposed to be able to take milk, and it sits on the couch, or it sits rather in the refrigerator for a fucking week and a half, and it's still good. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| That doesn't exist in nature. | ||
| You can't take a steak and leave it in your fridge for a week and a half. | ||
| It looks like shit. | ||
| It smells terrible. | ||
| Because it's rotting. | ||
| That's going on with your milk, too. | ||
| At a certain point in time, it's not going to be good anymore. | ||
| You can't just... | ||
| But that homogenized, pasteurized shit. | ||
| You just leave it in there. | ||
| Weeks later. | ||
| It stays good. | ||
| Yeah, you open the top weeks later. | ||
| You smell it. | ||
| You're like, it's fine. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| We've figured out a way to preserve things and make them all fucking funky. | ||
| Did you have a milkman when you were a kid? | ||
| For a very brief point in time, I think my grandparents did. | ||
| Because I do remember it. | ||
| I don't think it was our house, but I do remember it. | ||
| So I think it was my grandparents, but they had a glass bottle with a foil top. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Does that even exist anymore? | ||
| I bet somebody must offer that service. | ||
| There's always these small companies. | ||
| Grass-fed is a big issue now with a lot of people. | ||
| Specifically, before we end this, I wanted to find out, what is wrong with what the paleo guys are saying, in your opinion, and what's faulty about their thinking? | ||
| What's faulty about their thinking? | ||
| Well, I think that... | ||
| What's problematic for me is this idea that it's a low-carb focus, right? | ||
| It's low-carb, high-protein. | ||
| I think the focus is to eat like people ate thousands of years ago because that's how our body's set up. | ||
| So it's essentially like just vegetables and meat. | ||
| The research on how we ate thousands of years ago, again, going back to what we talked about before, there's holes in that. | ||
| Is there? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we were hunter and gatherer, so there's a gathering part to that that gets overlooked in favor of the hunting part, because that's a little sexier, I guess. | ||
| It is sexy as fuck. | ||
| But the idea of eating, you know, such a low, like the no grain thing, the no fruit thing, all of that to, you know, focus on the meat, the saturated fat, the high protein, the low carbohydrate is sort of, | ||
| in a certain respect, is kind of an extrapolation of the Atkins diet, you know, which is where this whole idea of, you know, this way of eating, which helps you lose weight relatively quickly, but also Can cause you problems with ketosis and eating too much protein, which can be damaging. | ||
| As an athlete, I don't know how you're supposed to function without eating more carbohydrates. | ||
| I couldn't do it without eating plenty of grains and fruit. | ||
| And that's just speaking from my own experience. | ||
| But my biggest thing is, again, going back to what we talked about earlier, which is This incredible incidence of Western disease that we have to deal with here. | ||
| And when people are dropping dead of heart attacks left and right, and it's a gigantic problem. | ||
| Diabetes, obesity, Alzheimer's, all these kinds of things. | ||
| And there are studies that link animal products to the incidence of these disease. | ||
| To me, it makes more sense to eat plant-based. | ||
| And the studies show that when you eat a plant-based diet, you can actually prevent yourself from contracting these essentially food-borne illnesses. | ||
| So it's not that I have some huge beef with paleo, per se. | ||
| I'm just more pro-plant-based diet. | ||
| And again, I think there's a lot of cool stuff about paleo. | ||
| Like, I love the evolutionary fitness aspect of it. | ||
| You know, the sort of return to Moving your body and the kettle balls and the focus on core strength and how that birthed CrossFit and all of that. | ||
| I think that stuff's fantastic. | ||
| I think that a plant-based diet and a paleo diet have a lot more in common than they do differences when compared to a standard American diet, for sure. | ||
| Well, a standard American diet isn't even really a diet. | ||
| It's just a filler. | ||
| I know, but the problem is that If you ask people, 90% of people, if you ask them, will tell you they eat healthy, when in fact it's probably like 1% of people that actually eat healthy, or everybody wouldn't be keeling over with heart disease. | ||
| And I think that heart disease starts when you're a teenager. | ||
| You start clogging those arteries at a very young age, and you hear these stories of like, oh, I had no symptoms, and then I keeled over from a heart attack. | ||
| You've been working on that disease for 20 years. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's a real problem. | ||
| And it just doesn't need to exist. | ||
| And so from everything that I've read, the best way to prevent that is to cut the meat and dairy out of your diet. | ||
| I don't know how to say it any other way. | ||
| So why do the paleo guys deny this? | ||
| And the paleo guys seem to point to the fact that there's an actual benefit to eating meat and that a vegetarian diet or a vegan diet does not have All the nutritional benefits of meat-eating, protein-eating diets. | ||
| I don't know why they say that, because I don't believe that to be true. | ||
| I mean, if they're saying that you can't thrive on a vegan diet, I mean, it's an ill-founded statement. | ||
| I mean, I think even Rob himself said, you know, lots of guys do well on a vegan diet, and he said he tried a vegan diet, and ultimately he lost a ton of weight. | ||
| I think he said he lost a whole bunch of weight or whatever. | ||
| And I can't remember why he said he decided to not do it anymore, whether he wasn't feeling good or whatever, but I'd be interested in knowing what it was that he was eating. | ||
| Because I think most people that say, yeah, I tried a vegan diet, it didn't work for me, or I felt lousy. | ||
| Well, I don't know what that means, you know? | ||
| I mean, you can be a junk food vegan and eat terribly and be nutrient deprived for sure, you know? | ||
| So it's not about eating tofurkey and fake chicken fingers, it's about the whole foods, you know, the whole food plant-based diet. | ||
| And that means You know, similar to paleo, getting rid of the oils, you know, or, you know, reducing the oils. | ||
| Well, not the saturated fats, but the other fats. | ||
| I mean, most of the plant-based oils don't have saturated. | ||
| I mean, coconut oil does, or a couple that do. | ||
| But, you know... | ||
| But it's actually still very good for you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But those also, you know, contribute to atherosclerosis and stuff like that. | ||
| Coconut oil does? | ||
| No, just oils in general. | ||
| Coconut oil can contribute to... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there is a certain contingent of the whole food plant-based diet movement that basically say no oils. | ||
| No oils in your diet. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I thought that oils are essential for brain function and for... | ||
| These are the people that are, this is like the Dr. Esselstyn, the T. Colin Campbell, like the hardcores or whatever, and they're speaking to people that have suffered heart attacks or, you know, are in seriously poor health and are in a position where they really need to reverse a condition that they're in. | ||
| So it's an extreme situation. | ||
| Personally, I eat oils. | ||
| I put coconut oil in my morning Vitamix. | ||
| I like olive oil in my dressing or whatever. | ||
| I try not to overdo it. | ||
| I'm judicious about it. | ||
| But I feel like I need that in order to get the calories that I need to train the way that I want to train. | ||
| Yeah, because there's a lot of people that believe that fats and oils are critical to brain function. | ||
| Not only that, they're a very efficient source of energy, especially in endurance sports, because every gram of fat has much more, whatever it is, kilojoules of energy than a gram of sugar or gram of carbohydrate. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So you're better off... | ||
| But it's metabolized in a different way. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| In endurance sports, you're always looking at what zone of exertion you're training in. | ||
| And that can be calculated by heart rate, like wearing a heart rate monitor or on a bike by a power meter that measures the amount of watts, like the force that you're exerting on the pedal. | ||
| And you can be very specific about what your exertion level is and how that correlates to which energy mechanism you're using. | ||
| And so when you're an endurance athlete, you want to really emphasize the fat burning zone, which is like the lower intensity, the aerobic zone of energy, which is kind of like Just below that level where you feel like you're getting a little too winded. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's a certain level of exertion in which you're metabolizing fat for energy as opposed to glycogen. | ||
| And if you're metabolizing fat for energy, you can essentially go all day. | ||
| The more you train that mechanism, it gets more and more efficient. | ||
| But if your exertion ramps up and you're burning glycogen all of a sudden for energy, You're only going to be able to go about 90 minutes before you run out of fuel. | ||
| You can deplete your glycogen stores. | ||
| You're never going to deplete your fat stores. | ||
| There's just too much of it. | ||
| So you can train your body to burn off fat instead of training your body to burn off carbohydrates? | ||
| You're training your body to utilize fat for energy. | ||
| So it's not like you're, you know, there's a difference between dietary fat, subcutaneous fat, but we all have, no matter how lean you are and how matter, you know, I've gotten very, very lean, you still have a lot of, you know, fat in your system that's available as an energy resource. | ||
| And how do you train your body to do that? | ||
| By being very specific about the training zones and the exertion levels that you're doing, whether it's running, swimming, or biking. | ||
| So, for example, cycling is like a perfect machine for the human because you can rig it all up to a computer and you can be very, very specific about what your output is. | ||
| You have a heart rate monitor. | ||
| The bikes these days have a computer on them, right? | ||
| So you have your power meter, which registers the force you're exerting on the pedals in watts. | ||
| And then you can extrapolate that out after a ride, what your average watts are for that ride. | ||
| And then you balance that against what your heart rate was at that particular watts, what the grade, you know, how much elevation gain you had, what the exterior temperature is. | ||
| And you can create these insane graphs and look at it and, like, make judgment calls about where your fitness is, where your weaknesses are, and adjust your training program accordingly. | ||
| And so when you're training for Endurance or ultra-endurance, again, it goes back to really emphasizing that fat burning zone, that aerobic zone. | ||
| Because the more efficient you can be at that, you can improve your speed without doing that much speed work. | ||
| I'm not saying this very articulately. | ||
| I'll give you an example. | ||
| When I first started doing this endurance stuff and wanted to stay in my zone two, which is the aerobic zone, I would have to keep my heart rate when I was running below about 145. Initially, When I first started running, if I ran faster than like a 9 or a 9.30 pace, my heart rate would go over 145. And when it went over 145, I knew I was no longer in the fat burning zone and I was getting into the glycogen burning zone. | ||
| But by staying in that specific heart rate region over time, my pace increased without my heart rate going up, which is telling me that I'm becoming a more efficient athlete. | ||
| At a certain level of exertion, my body is becoming faster and more efficient. | ||
| So by training less hard, less physical exertion, you actually improve your boundaries? | ||
| In a certain respect, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was explained to me initially, like, if you want to go fast, first you're going to have to go slow. | ||
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| And build the foundation of this machine from the ground up. | ||
| And that doesn't mean there isn't a time and place for speed work and, you know, super... | ||
| Exertion work at a higher intensity zone, but the key to success in endurance sports is really emphasizing that aerobic zone training. | ||
| And efficiency. | ||
| And so, for example, when I first started doing this training and I'd go out for these crazy long training sessions, I'd come back, I was starving, I'd be eating, you know, I just couldn't eat enough food. | ||
| Now, the toll that it, the tax on my body for doing a similar workout, like four or five years later, Is de minimis compared to what it was before. | ||
| So actually my appetite has gone down, even though the training has been the same, if not more difficult. | ||
| So the body adapts, in other words. | ||
| Wow, that is fascinating stuff. | ||
| So how often are you wearing a heart monitor while you're training, while you're exercising? | ||
| Always. | ||
| See, I always buy them, and I just fucking leave them sit there, and I just work out. | ||
| I just work out hard, and then I'm done. | ||
| Well, you know, coming from swimming and what it was like in the 80s, you know, it was always, you know, go hard or go home and no pain, no gain. | ||
| It's like if I had an hour to work out and I was going to go for a run, just run as hard as I can, you know, as fast as I can in that given hour and that's the best workout that I'm going to get. | ||
| And actually, you know, the truth couldn't be more different. | ||
| So if you want to get better, and that's the problem with a lot of sort of amateur athletes that want to do marathons or 10Ks or even like shorter distance triathlons, by training that way of just kind of using the time allotted and going as hard as you can in that allotted period of time, you're going to reach a certain level of fitness and aptitude in what you're trying to do, but you're very quickly going to hit a glass ceiling and you're going to plateau and you're not going to be able to break through. | ||
| So what is the way to break through? | ||
| The way to break through is to step it back and really, again, go back to building that foundation from the ground up and focusing on if you slow down and really focus on improving your aerobic efficiency, and it's time consuming. | ||
| It takes time to do this. | ||
| Then you are building a platform upon which that speed work which you will do later is going to catapult you into a new realm of proficiency. | ||
| So it's all about... | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| So it's all about pushing the heart rate at a certain pace Yeah. | ||
| and then building up to the point where you could do that easier and easier and easier and that is your aerobic base. | ||
| It's not about these wild sprints till your heart wants to fucking explode. | ||
| It's actually about building up your ability to maintain a heart rate even though you're doing more work. | ||
| Maintain the same heart rate of 145s Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's just my personal example. | ||
| But I mean, it requires a different kind of discipline because you kind of have to check your ego at the door. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And sometimes you want that feeling of like, I just exerted myself. | ||
| I feel like I did some work. | ||
| I got something done. | ||
| And having the discipline to say, every workout has a purpose. | ||
| And the purpose of this workout is I'm going to run for an hour and a half. | ||
| And my goal is to never let my heart rate exceed that zone 2 threshold. | ||
| That means I'm going to finish the run and maybe I'm not even going to feel that tired. | ||
| I was like, I don't feel like I got anything out of that. | ||
| And believing in that program and sticking to it over time to build that house. | ||
| Do you think that that's a good way that someone should approach martial arts as well? | ||
| And that strength and conditioning for martial arts, like say kettlebells or something like that, they should also do the same sort of a thing? | ||
| Maintain... | ||
| Well, it's a little bit different because endurance sports are so much about efficiency of movement, you know, and over a prolonged period of time, whereas something like jujitsu or what have you is about explosive speed. | ||
| But at the same time, you're going to be in the ring for a prolonged period of time. | ||
| If you have the sort of lung capacity and stamina to endure longer than your competitor, so that you're fresher in that last round than he is, then you're going to have an advantage. | ||
| So I think that what that would mean, and certainly I'm no expert in martial arts or what have you, so I don't want to get schooled for saying the wrong thing, but it would seem to me that in the off-season, Quite a bit of time before you get into your training camps leading up to a fight, you would focus on doing a lot of base aerobic training work to kind of lay that endurance foundation. | ||
| And then you build upon that with the specific strength and explosive speed exercises to, you know, have that pyramid come to a peak when it comes to fight day. | ||
| Well, one of the best fighters in the world, Nick Diaz, is a known triathlete. | ||
| I mean, he's constantly doing massive endurance work. | ||
| And the thing about Nick is that he puts guys, he puts them into a pace. | ||
| He sets them up. | ||
| Like when he fights, he pushes a pace that other guys can't compete with. | ||
| Like he uses his endurance. | ||
| He uses his very strong endurance base as an extra weapon. | ||
| It's an extra thing. | ||
| Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. | ||
| Yeah, because he can just keep going. | ||
| He swam back from Alcatraz twice. | ||
| I mean, he's got ridiculous endurance. | ||
| And because of that, you know, he's like one of the scariest guys in the world because of that. | ||
| Because you know you're not going to wear him out. | ||
| You're never going to wear him out. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| He'll be scrambling deep into the fifth round when you're gasping for air. | ||
| He'll be fine. | ||
| And he talks shit to you while he's beating on you. | ||
| Terrible nightmare. | ||
| Demoralizes you at the same time. | ||
| Pretty sure he follows basically a vegan diet as well. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I thought. | ||
| Yeah, he does it for performance reasons. | ||
| I think Jake Shields does as well. | ||
| I think Jake may eat eggs occasionally, but I think that's it. | ||
| For a lot of people who don't know, I didn't know until I was 30, that when you have an egg, it's not like something died. | ||
| The chickens just slay those eggs. | ||
| And if they're not fertilized by the male, if the rooster doesn't get in the hen house, those eggs just go to waste. | ||
| You can eat them. | ||
| You don't even have bad karma. | ||
| Dude, is there a book that someone could read about this conditioning thing? | ||
| I know that for a lot of people that do jujitsu, this is going to be really fascinating for a lot of people that do anything athletic. | ||
| What is a good book that they could read about heart rates? | ||
| Well, they could read my book. | ||
| Well, tell us what it is. | ||
| What's your book? | ||
| My book is called Finding Ultra. | ||
| Actually, can I grab it? | ||
| Yeah, please do. | ||
| I would love to read it. | ||
| Here's it on the screen. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| And is this your life story? | ||
| Is it also... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is... | ||
| It's essentially a memoir. | ||
| It's like my personal story, but it has a lot about how I sort of reinvented myself as an athlete and how I had to kind of relearn some certain principles about fitness that I grappled with and didn't understand initially that... | ||
| Sort of allowed me, I believe, to reach a new level of fitness heights that I certainly didn't think was possible, particularly as a middle-aged guy. | ||
| And you did this all through that method of building up the aerobic base? | ||
| Yeah, and I was training for a very specific thing that is, you know, not what most people are training for. | ||
| The kind of principles that we were just talking about, I think, are applicable to, you know, the sort of weekend warrior athlete, whether you want to, you know, go out and be able to feel good in your pickup basketball game or touch football or whatever it is, it's how to use your time-crunched days effectively, you know, rather than just going out haphazardly and saying, I'm going to blast this 30 minutes on the treadmill and do it time and time again and wonder why you're never getting any faster. | ||
| So people can get any answers to any questions about conditioning and what you learned from Finding Ultra? | ||
| Can they get that on Amazon and all the different places? | ||
| Yeah, it's everywhere. | ||
| It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, iTunes. | ||
| And if people want to reach you, it's Rich Roll. | ||
| R-I-C-H. Not Rick. | ||
| Not... | ||
| Fucking Rick Astley! | ||
| This is not a joke. | ||
| Rich Roll. | ||
| The real Rich Roll. | ||
| Just like the real Rich Ross, but a different guy. | ||
| And you can find Rich Roll on Twitter. | ||
| Just Rich Roll. | ||
| R-I-C-H-R-O-L-L. Is that the best way to get a hold of you? | ||
| The best way to find information about you? | ||
| I mean, I'm on Facebook, too. | ||
| My website's Rich Roll. | ||
| R-I-C-H-R-O-L-L. Well, listen, man. | ||
| Your story's an awesome story. | ||
| I love a comeback. | ||
| I love a guy who figures something out in his life and makes a change and then spreads that information. | ||
| And... | ||
| You're an inspirational dude, and having you on the podcast is really cool, and I would love to do this again if you want to come in again. | ||
| Feelings mutual, man. | ||
| Yeah, we could keep talking about this forever. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| Yeah, but I had to stop myself from the endurance questions. | ||
| I would have bored the fuck out of everybody. | ||
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| I was like, this is getting a little technical, man. | ||
| I don't know if people really are going to be that interesting. | ||
| Some people will, hopefully. | ||
| Thank you very much, man. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| So Rich Roll, follow him on Twitter. | ||
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| I thought you said you were sending those stickers. | ||
| No, you can order stickers coming soon. | ||
| Pay for that sticker, hooker. | ||
| I mean, Go get yourself a sticker. | ||
| But those, you can identify fellow deskwaters in parking lots and sheds. | ||
| Good. | ||
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| Sacramento was fucking completely off the chain. | ||
| I never imagined that we would have these kind of crowds on a regular basis. | ||
| It's really amazing, and we appreciate the fuck out of it. | ||
| What I said earlier is not lip service. | ||
| I really do feel a massive obligation to you guys. | ||
| I know that this has become a part of your life, and it's a part of our life, too. | ||
| Everything we're doing, Brian and I, is moving towards making sure we just keep doing more of this, keep digging deeper, keep having more people, more cool people like Rich Roll come on the show. | ||
| And tomorrow, Mac Danzig will be on, as I said, as will the director of Cocaine Cowboys, Billy Corbin, who's also a cool motherfucker. | ||
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| Tomorrow we have a double podcast day. | ||
| So first we'll be Mac Danzig, and then it will be Joey Diaz and Billy Corbin. | ||
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| We'll see you tomorrow, folks. | ||
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