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Jan. 25, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #179 - Duncan Trussell
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duncan trussell
01:08:17
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joe rogan
01:20:19
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brian redban
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unidentified
It's just started.
joe rogan
Did you start already?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How dare you, man?
I'm tweeting it.
Hold on, sorry.
People are going to have to hear me tweet.
Here we go.
unidentified
Here we go again on the Twitter.
HTTP. Tap any numbers on the keyboard.
joe rogan
Duncan, go for it, baby.
unidentified
Say it.
Come on, Duncan, sing along.
duncan trussell
I don't know that song.
The Twitter...
unidentified
Dude, I forgot my phone at home.
duncan trussell
The Twitter...
joe rogan
You forgot your phone at home.
unidentified
Yeah, I feel so fucking naked right now.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you should never do that.
unidentified
It's awful.
At least I just tracked it online, so I'm keeping an eye on it.
brian redban
So it's kind of like looking at photos of my family.
unidentified
It feels good that I know it's still alive.
I see it on Google Maps and it's doing a little false.
I'm like, my phone's still alive.
duncan trussell
That's so weird.
Somebody just tweeted, what are the odds that Joe Rogan and Duncan Trussell got so high and are now having an amazing conversation without the podcast running?
joe rogan
It's true.
duncan trussell
I'm going to tweet that with 100%.
joe rogan
Let's just plow through this commercial real quick so we can get started.
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Duncan, you're going to enjoy.
I've got a new one for you.
duncan trussell
Excellent.
joe rogan
What is it?
I'll give it to you later.
duncan trussell
Really?
joe rogan
Some girl's butthole or something.
duncan trussell
Is it the Iron Lady's butthole?
joe rogan
It looks good.
Whoever, it looks like a great little butthole.
You're going to love it.
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
How do you know it's a girl's butthole?
joe rogan
Well, they say they model them after the girl's butthole.
It looks like a butthole.
Yeah, they do the vagina, they do the butthole.
They actually make a mold of their pussy.
That's why a lot of these freaks, like these porn star chicks, they have their own fleshlights.
And it's like molded after their own box.
duncan trussell
So there's a professional pussy mold or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks on the outside like exactly what their box looks like.
duncan trussell
That's the weirdest joke.
joe rogan
I'm 18 back in Boston.
I want to get inside a box.
That's what dudes used to say a lot.
duncan trussell
That always seemed like the worst description of a vagina.
It's the least geometric shape on the planet.
joe rogan
Yeah, her box.
duncan trussell
The last thing you want to fuck is a box.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that?
When did you get inside her?
Boston was a mess anyway.
Did they do that when you were young?
Was that box?
duncan trussell
No, but I can remember getting sex.
My mom was a psychologist, so she gave me a sex book when I was trying to learn about sex, and it was lists of the slang for pussy.
joe rogan
Wow.
duncan trussell
And I remember getting to box.
unidentified
Wow.
duncan trussell
And it was like wrecking my already vague understanding of what a pussy was.
Because it's like, how is it anything like a box?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
duncan trussell
Isn't it more like a bag than a box?
joe rogan
It's not like a tube either, but that's what the fleshlight is.
duncan trussell
It's a tube.
Well, I want to do a fucking puppet show with fleshlights.
That's why I was thinking of taking...
unidentified
Like a hand puppet show?
duncan trussell
Yeah, because you can make mouth...
I was thinking about taking the mini fleshlights you've given me and doing some kind of like...
Shakespeare performance or something.
joe rogan
How many do you have?
duncan trussell
Well, there's only two now.
There's only two now?
Well, no, one of them.
This is a gross story.
I'm not going to tell it.
unidentified
What?
duncan trussell
This is a disgusting story.
I didn't clean one out and I left it sitting on top of the shower.
This is a gross story.
unidentified
How bad did it smell?
duncan trussell
The smell is what I imagine the Zerg hives in Starcraft smell like.
It's like this alien...
It's like the smell of...
You know when aliens, when they go down into that fucking...
In the very beginning, when they go into the pit where there's all the pods and the thing pops out and lands on the guy's face?
It's in the very beginning of the movie Alien.
It's like the coolest scene.
That's what an old fleshlight smells like when you open it.
It's this kind of alien, pungent, primordial smell.
But I opened it up, and man, it was just like black.
The darkest black ooze just kind of dripped out of it.
And so I threw that one away, of course.
unidentified
Oh, God.
Was it from the blood?
joe rogan
You would have to, like, seriously disinfect that with so many chemicals.
duncan trussell
Holy water.
joe rogan
You would have to worry about those chemicals eventually burning the skin off your dick.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, and some unknown disease, leprosy, a flesh-rotting disease on your penis.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's where it gets born, in the bottom of a fleshlight from some sick fuck that never bothered to clean it, and he tried to fuck it twice.
unidentified
That's the apocalypse!
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
That's the end of the world.
The one, the one fleshlight that'll be told about on fucking big stone tablets 10,000 years from now.
duncan trussell
We've traced it back to a fleshlight!
joe rogan
Oh, and there's only a few people survived.
Only like from one particular area of Ethiopia were able to handle it.
duncan trussell
Well, what a fucking...
joe rogan
Everybody else dead.
duncan trussell
I mean, a fleshlight is truly a breeding ground for bacteria if you consider...
Especially if you keep it in like the balmy atmosphere of your shower.
Because you're combining fucking...
You're combining so many bad elements in that thing.
And heat, mixing with heat.
joe rogan
Moisture, and who knows what's in the water supply.
duncan trussell
DNA. You have life precursors in there.
It could sprout a new life.
joe rogan
Jesus fucking Christ.
duncan trussell
A new life form.
joe rogan
Why not, right?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we poo-poo that, but could you imagine if it was that easy?
Can you imagine if your loads on their own could make people...
brian redban
They just grow like mushrooms or something?
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
I mean, we know that you have to interact with a woman and make eggs, you know, crack eggs and make babies that way.
But imagine if that wasn't the case.
Imagine if every time you came, it made people.
Imagine if people came out of your dick.
unidentified
And there's just people everywhere.
joe rogan
Everywhere!
unidentified
They're like getting stepped on.
The little ones never get to be adults.
joe rogan
I mean, we take it for granted that the process is male and female.
And that that's the only way to create life.
I mean, life is crazy enough as it is to think that it could have been in some bizarre...
Gonzo parallel universe that it's possible to just create life with your dick and every time you come, boom, people.
duncan trussell
A person.
unidentified
Boom, boom, people.
duncan trussell
That would be a very overpopulated universe just for me alone.
joe rogan
Could you fucking imagine people screaming at you because you're beating off?
unidentified
You fuckhead!
joe rogan
What are you doing?
People piling on top of people everywhere and then you catch someone beating off.
Will you fucking stop it?
They're just making people.
That's what people would do.
We wouldn't make so many people.
If that was the case, there would be so many people that the world would cave in.
There would be no more room.
duncan trussell
It couldn't work.
joe rogan
People would just eat the people in front of them.
duncan trussell
We'd run out of resources.
Yeah, we'd be just eating each other.
joe rogan
Eating the people in front of us.
duncan trussell
Eating and jerking off and making more.
joe rogan
At what point can overpopulation exist?
I mean, if there's no structure, right?
If you took all the people in New York City with no structures, no buildings, and just piled them on top of each other.
Yes.
How much room is there?
How much room is there?
At what point in time?
Could you fucking imagine?
duncan trussell
You're asking how many people would it take to cover the planet in just a complete mat of people?
joe rogan
If just every time someone came, a person was born.
duncan trussell
How long before the planet just looked like an octopus swarming with freaks...
joe rogan
No one would stop.
We wouldn't stop.
We would not stop jerking off.
We would have entire continents covered.
duncan trussell
And you'd come up with a good reason why you're jerking off.
You'd rationalize.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
I gotta do what I gotta do with my man.
Bang!
That's a new baby.
unidentified
The government would get involved though and make you so you can't cum.
They would start neutering you at birth.
joe rogan
Who would be the government?
There'd be swarms of people.
It would be unmanageable.
duncan trussell
There'd be no government.
joe rogan
No buildings.
Forget about it.
We would have never even built buildings if it was possible.
We would have never figured out anything.
If that was how you could come and make a person...
duncan trussell
It'd be like grass.
It'd be like grass.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would be everywhere.
duncan trussell
Kudzu.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
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I'm like, come on, man.
duncan trussell
I forgot.
We're freeballing.
joe rogan
We're just having fun.
Let us just do this little business thing.
We're also brought to you by...
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
And if you don't want to buy a flashlight, don't buy it.
Just make your own.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How can you do that?
unidentified
Easily.
joe rogan
Melons.
unidentified
Melons, fruits.
joe rogan
But they're not going to be as good as the flashlight.
If you're looking to masturbate, it's a fucking solid tool.
unidentified
There's probably some shit you can do with Jell-O and Gumby.
joe rogan
It won't be as good as the fleshlight.
They got it down.
Whatever that polymer is that they use to make the vagina, it's fucking outstanding.
duncan trussell
They spent a long time researching that.
joe rogan
Two thumbs up.
Yeah, they did.
duncan trussell
They have a great product.
joe rogan
People are embarrassed about the fact they like to masturbate.
duncan trussell
How many uncomfortable fleshlights did that guy fuck before he came upon that one?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Could you imagine that poor weirdo?
unidentified
This one's made out of rock.
Nah.
joe rogan
Who had to test them?
Did they test them with fingers first?
No, I don't.
You don't want to be crazy and just shove your dick right into this new retro model.
You don't want to do that.
They must have tested them out.
duncan trussell
They used animals.
joe rogan
They used animals?
duncan trussell
They let animals fuck them?
joe rogan
No, they didn't.
duncan trussell
You're just making shit up, man.
joe rogan
Ultimately, the dude had to fuck a lot of different substances in order to create that perfect vagina.
I mean, how do you describe that?
If you're trying to make it and you're bringing it to a factory, this is what I'm looking for.
Something like a fuck.
duncan trussell
I'd like to see the moment when he found it.
joe rogan
This is it!
Yeah, it came like five times that last line.
duncan trussell
Well...
joe rogan
Yeah, what a weird thing to invent.
But he did an awesome job.
However the process was of making light of it.
duncan trussell
He needs to write about how it came about.
That's an interesting thing to know.
joe rogan
Well, I think the dude who invented it, his wife was pregnant when he invented it, and he couldn't have sex.
So they figured out he was a resourceful fella.
duncan trussell
See that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
That's what you need, man.
If you want to invent something good, you've got to be pushed.
You've got to be pushed.
joe rogan
Pushed in a corner.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you go for the box.
Stick your right in the box.
duncan trussell
Worst description.
That description started with a guy who had his wife had a deformed pussy.
joe rogan
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So you use the Shroom Tech Immune?
You're saying it's pretty bad?
duncan trussell
I seem like I'm a fucking shill because I'm agreeing to everything here, but I've used these things.
The shroom tech, yeah, when I'm starting to get sick, I eat it and I get better.
I'm sorry, the stuff really works.
joe rogan
It's great for just to keep your immune system strong, apparently.
The way it works is there's something in it that makes your body think that it's like a disease, like a bug.
duncan trussell
Like an ant.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever.
There's an intruder.
So your immune system fires up for a fight that never takes place.
It's a pretty fucking sporty thing if it works like that.
There's also Alpha Brain Shroom Tech Sport, which is the Cordyceps Mushroom Sports Endurance Supplement.
And this is only for people who are really into working out.
If you're not into working out, don't fuck with it.
Brian doesn't fuck with that.
unidentified
Nah, I don't need it.
My Fitbit?
Your little thing that you wear?
Tell me what it is for people who don't know what you're talking about.
It's this little thing you snap onto you and it counts your steps.
brian redban
Every time you go up and down stairs, it measures out what that would be in distance.
unidentified
It just pretty much tracks everything you do physically.
brian redban
Then at night you wear it and it tells you how long you sleep, how many times you wake up in the middle of the night.
Then it graphs it on this nice page on their website and then you start having a Facebook page of what your Fitbit is.
unidentified
It's really weird.
It's like Twitter weird.
We have these stats.
Right now, my only friend is Bert Kreischer.
brian redban
I look at his and he kicks ass.
My shit's barely registering on the graph and my battery life is seven times longer than Bert's.
joe rogan
That's like a new way to stalk people.
You can stalk them deep if you can be their exercise buddy.
You get a constant readout I bet the readout is being sent to the government also.
That's going to be the thing, man.
You're going to have to put your information out there so people know what your heart rate is at every moment.
duncan trussell
Wow.
They have this thing that tweets your weight.
They have a scale that tweets your weight.
And that's supposed to keep you motivated to lose weight.
joe rogan
Well, eventually it's going to be more than that.
If you have something on, it tweets it every time you get on it.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can't even stop it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's it.
I don't like that.
unidentified
That's pretty brutal.
It's brutal.
joe rogan
That's pretty brutal.
duncan trussell
People know when you're gaining weight and you start getting...
joe rogan
That's brutal, man.
duncan trussell
But like we were saying, like about the invention of the fleshlight, if you want real change to happen, change comes from fucking suffering.
Change comes from being in a place that you don't want to be in.
I mean, you could do it other ways, but generally it comes from getting backed into a corner.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta straighten up.
You gotta get your shit together.
You gotta fight back.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
And that's why people get enthusiastic about things and start companies and get crazy.
I mean, it's always like a big burst of enthusiasm.
unidentified
I could never murder somebody while wearing a Fitbit, I just realized.
duncan trussell
Why?
joe rogan
Because they would know.
unidentified
They would be able to see it.
Yeah, because it shows you when you're extremely working out and it has like red graphs and stuff.
joe rogan
Stop thinking about murdering people.
unidentified
Or I could put it on somebody that, you know...
Isn't, like, sleeping.
Like, I could put on my mom and then go out in the middle of the night and murder people and come back and take off my mom.
duncan trussell
They're not going to accept your Fitbit in the court.
unidentified
They could use that as evidence, I would imagine.
joe rogan
Well, they could also use it as evidence that your resting heart rate went from 70 to, you know, 82 or whatever.
duncan trussell
Weird.
unidentified
I did a review on DeathSquad.tv, Fitbit.
joe rogan
You're really into it, huh?
unidentified
I can see what it's like when I started using Twitter for the first time.
There's something there.
There's some kind of weird...
joe rogan
This is the next step, right?
This is the next piece of connectivity.
brian redban
This is turning your body into an Xbox when it comes to fitness.
unidentified
Fitbit's fucking badass, man.
joe rogan
Wow, that's a great idea.
Wow, that's kind of interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
And of course, you're going to be like, have the most friends of Fitbit world because you're going to be working out so extreme.
And everyone, that would be like, you're not like, instead of Dane Cook having five million friends on Twitter, that you would have the most extreme, you have the most like red graph, like you worked out the hardest.
joe rogan
Or a lot of dudes beating off to my account.
Could be that too.
brian redban
And the person that sleeps the best would be some kind of weird wizard of Fitbit role.
joe rogan
We should have talked about this on the podcast.
Let's just get this fucking commercial over with.
Just go to onnit.com.
I'm tired of talking about this stuff.
Here's how I feel about it.
We can't make this any nicer.
And by the way, we had to change a rule because some people are cunts.
We used to say that if you buy something and you don't like it, you could send it back.
Or you don't even have to send it back.
We'll give you 100% money back Guarantee.
But people were buying like 10 bottles and then they would take like three of them and go, yeah, I'm not really into this.
And so then they would sell the rest on eBay.
So they would get their refund and then they would sell it on eBay.
duncan trussell
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
People are such twats.
That was a good idea.
No, it was a good idea.
They took advantage of our hospitality.
So now it's only the first 30 pills.
And you should be able to figure out within 30 pills.
I mean, you know, a lot of people say, how much can you tell the difference between when you're eating multivitamins and when you're not eating multivitamins?
I can tell.
I can tell.
There's this subtle thing.
But I'm really in tune with my shit.
I eat healthy.
I work out a lot.
I take supplements.
I know what gets me and what doesn't.
But there's some people, man, that don't know.
You can give them things and they're not sure.
Is this my multivitamin working?
I don't know.
Is it working?
They're not in tune with their body so much.
If you're not really athletic, if you don't push your body to extremes and you don't eat healthy and clean, I think a lot of people, there's a missing amount of communication.
There's not an intimacy with your body.
duncan trussell
I think when you're feeling bad, you kind of get good at numbing it out or ignoring it.
They've shut down their ability to feel bad.
To really honestly appraise their health.
If you're out of shape and you're fucking smoking all the time and you're drinking all the time, I speak from experience.
If you get into a jag of living like that, after a certain amount of time, you just start tuning out the weird pains in your body.
You just start ignoring it because it's just the truth.
And the truth is you can't constantly fucking eat like shit and smoke and drink.
And that end up with you at the other end of that feeling great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's so important to take a variety of different things that are good for your health, in my opinion.
You should really eat a lot of healthy vegetables.
That's one of the most important things.
One of the strongest things I've ever done is increase the amount of green, beefy vegetables in my diet and drink kale shakes and shit like that.
Take multivitamins, please.
It's not hard.
It's fucking easy, and it'll make you healthier.
It will make you feel better.
Eat good food, you know, and look into nootropics.
If you're not into any of the shit that we have at Onnit.com, there's plenty of other people that have cool shit available.
So we try to make it as easy and as clean as possible.
I'm way more concerned, and I say this every fucking time, because it's true.
I'm way more concerned with not ripping people off than I am with making money.
So, that's the end of that fucking horse shit.
Press the button.
Let's start the show!
unidentified
Duncan Trussell's here!
joe rogan
Hey everybody!
I cut way back on my coffee consumption, but I have found that coffee and the show go well together. but I have found that coffee and the show go I think they're important.
And I'll just keep spitting information out.
What are you doing with that echo, man?
You're killing me.
unidentified
It won't go away.
joe rogan
I'm waiting for it.
It won't go away, period.
duncan trussell
That's what it's like to be crazy, man.
brian redban
That's how it feels like when you're tripping, like you smoke too much weed and you start having a panic attack.
joe rogan
Is that still going on?
unidentified
It's almost gone.
joe rogan
Okay, it's almost gone.
Why is it on such a delay?
unidentified
It's just a weird, stupid special effect that I do.
joe rogan
Do you always do the same one?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It doesn't usually go that long.
unidentified
I usually mix it up.
joe rogan
Does this make you feel better when you do these things?
unidentified
No, it's just a cool intro, you know?
Might as well start off with a weird, creepy noise.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
Duncan, trust us here.
We don't have to get any weirder or creepier.
duncan trussell
I'm not creepy!
unidentified
Hey, everybody, guys!
joe rogan
Not creepy in a bad way, brother.
Creepy in the best possible way.
You know I love you.
unidentified
We all love you.
duncan trussell
I love you guys.
joe rogan
We're doing the Chicago Theater this Friday night.
Fucking super fired up.
Duncan and me and Joey Coco motherfucking Diaz in the flesh.
If you have never had a chance to see Joey Diaz live, you're going to shit yourself.
That guy, dude, he hits moments.
He hits moments on stage where it's just ridiculous shit that he says.
It just makes you repeat what he said over and over and over again.
He's one of those dudes, when Joey really rocks it on stage, he'll say something so fucking completely preposterous and so out of control that you'll just be repeating it.
You'll be like, he's fucking what?!
You'll just repeat what he said over and over again.
unidentified
Because you had to re-register in your head almost.
Did I really just hear that?
joe rogan
He's fucking that transvestite joke.
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
One of the greatest jokes anybody's ever told on stage.
He goes, I like transvestites.
They cook.
They clean.
You can beat on them every once in a while.
unidentified
The cops come.
joe rogan
Who are they going to believe?
unidentified
Me or some dude with a wig and a black eye.
joe rogan
There's no support groups for these people.
The cops come, who are they going to believe?
Me, a soot boot, a wig, and a black eye?
That's just poetry, man.
To me, that's poetry.
The amount of words used, the structure of it.
He's a fucking animal, dude.
Joey Diaz is an animal.
He's so funny, man.
We had him on the podcast the other day, dude.
He can talk about anything.
unidentified
Toothpicks.
joe rogan
I know a fucking dude who made toothpicks.
unidentified
I'm going to tell you about this guy.
joe rogan
There's a fucking crazy story about a toothpick factory and this chick was sucking everybody's dick.
You know what I'm saying?
So Papa had to get his.
Toothpick factory story will become some fucking epic drama.
He's the greatest human being that's ever lived.
He's the greatest human being that's ever lived.
I fucking love that guy.
That's one of the most awesome things about living here is that all you guys are here.
It's one of the things that kind of keeps me in this area right now because all you guys are here.
It's like we have a lot of cool friends.
We have a very unusual situation.
unidentified
We need to all move at the same exact time.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
brian redban
We need to get together like an Occupy Wall Street thing and be like, alright, we're all moving here at the same time.
joe rogan
We gotta be prepared for civil unrest because the government is, okay?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
So we gotta start thinking, if the shit went down, we need a goddamn ranch somewhere.
duncan trussell
Yep.
joe rogan
You know, a ranch somewhere with like a bunch of houses.
unidentified
A castle and a moat, Joe.
joe rogan
All live in this nice little farming ranch community until the dust settles.
Yeah, you can do that, man.
That's attainable.
duncan trussell
It's good to have a place like that to go to, man.
I've got a place like that to go to.
unidentified
Do you?
duncan trussell
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
Is it in North Carolina?
duncan trussell
In Nashville, North Carolina?
It's in Georgia.
I will not reveal the precise location.
joe rogan
Is it near the Georgia Guidestones?
duncan trussell
Oh, I wish it was.
No, it's not.
It's not near the Georgia Guidestones.
I don't know where those are actually, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
joe rogan
I don't know where those are either.
Let's find out.
unidentified
How are you going to do that?
joe rogan
Go ahead, Duncan.
duncan trussell
I think it's a smart thing to have.
In any fucking house, if you're in a hotel or wherever, it's good to know where to go if there's going to be a fire.
It's the same thing with civilization.
It doesn't make you crazy.
It just makes you a normal thinking person.
joe rogan
Elbert County.
duncan trussell
Oh, Elbert County is where them Godstones are.
joe rogan
Elbert County.
The Georgia Godstones, a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia.
Yeah, a message that contains ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient language scripts.
Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
It's pretty intense shit, man.
I mean, this is someone saying, you know, look, if humanity completely falls apart, here's a message.
Get to this stuff.
This is crucial information.
duncan trussell
Somebody should have told him that there's not a lot of people in southern Georgia that speak classical Greek.
joe rogan
This is what it says on it.
It's really very interesting because it's very wise words.
Listen to this.
Maintain humanity under 500 million in perpetual balance with nature.
500 million on the whole planet.
Good idea.
Guide reproduction wisely, improving fitness and diversity.
duncan trussell
Eugenics.
joe rogan
That sounds a little eugenics-y.
But...
Rational, as well, right?
I mean, you know, utopian, of course.
duncan trussell
Utopian, but rational.
joe rogan
Right?
Okay.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
We all had one language that would make everything a lot fucking easier.
Right?
Rule passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason.
Sound words, right?
Sound words?
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Okay.
Let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court.
I don't hear any New World Order shit yet, right?
Avoid petty lawlessness.
A bit subjective.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, a lot of this stuff is subjective.
joe rogan
This is pretty subjective, though, right?
Petty laws and useless officials.
duncan trussell
Also, just saying resolve your problems in a world court.
How do you do that?
joe rogan
That seems like a weird one.
The petty laws and useless officials seems silly.
That seems like it should be, you know, maybe...
Here's a good one.
Balanced personal rights with social duties.
Agreed.
That's smart, right?
Strong community shit.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Prize truth, beauty, love, seeking harmony with the infinite.
Okay.
Now you're getting a little crystal-y on me.
duncan trussell
It sounds almost like Dr. Bronner's soap.
It's like that shit on Dr. Bronner's soap.
joe rogan
Okay, hear me.
Now I don't like it at all.
Listen.
Be not a cancer on the earth.
Leave room for nature.
Leave room for nature.
Now I don't like it, because that's a stupid thing to say.
First of all, be not a cancer on the earth?
What are you, Shakespeare, bitch?
duncan trussell
Just say, don't be a cancer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Don't be cancer.
duncan trussell
Be not a cancer.
Silly.
joe rogan
I guess if you're not going to use contractions, maybe you think contractions would throw people off?
duncan trussell
I think, here's the thing that I think is really funny about these stones.
What?
I just watched Cave of Forgotten Dreams, which is pretty awesome.
joe rogan
I didn't get into it, man.
I shut it off halfway and I got bored.
duncan trussell
I got into it because I was just thinking about how crazy it was that rhinos were in France at one point and kind of like, who the fuck were these people?
It was a little dry.
If you carve something in stone and you put it deep enough in the stone and on a big enough stone, it's guaranteed that if people are still around in hundreds of thousands of years, they're going to think that that really meant something.
They're going to think it was very important just because you carved it in stone.
So it could be anything.
You could put anything on a cave wall and people will come in and look at it and be like, wow.
Look at this!
They worshipped a penis with a happy face on it.
And it's just a guy who, like, painted something on.
The Georgia Guidestones, it's just some guy who went and carved some shit in stone.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of it makes sense.
I mean, just be not a cancer on the earth.
Leave room for nature.
Leave room for nature.
That is a...
I mean, we're goofing on it, but that is, like, a good thought.
duncan trussell
I think they're great.
All of it seems like okay.
It's just I don't think that there's anything...
joe rogan
Well, it's like Twitter messages.
You can't get too profound.
duncan trussell
Well, you're carving in stone.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're carving in a fucking limited amount of space.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
What would you tell people?
If you had Georgia Guidestones of your own, if you could leave behind some monument to future monkey people that figure this out again.
You know what somebody quoted?
It was a fascinating quote.
That civilization, if you look at it as made by the brightest minds, is disappointing.
It's disappointing where we are.
But if you look at it as something that's been thrown together by monkeys, it's amazing.
duncan trussell
It's amazing.
We're doing so good right now.
If you think about how good we're doing, we're doing great.
joe rogan
But isn't that an interesting thing?
You know, that people know that human beings are capable...
Of so much better behavior, so much more of a safe, sane, rational, loving world.
We're capable of that.
We're all capable of that as individuals.
We're all capable of being loving and nice and friendly.
And if we're all capable of it...
That in groups we spread out and then somehow or another it gets lost along the way.
Where does it get lost along the way?
When they're fighting over resources?
When they're fighting over crazy ideas?
duncan trussell
It's the ideas.
Mostly the problem is the ideas.
It's the resources thing.
Resources you can work out if you don't have crazy ideas.
Resources you can work out.
It's the fucking crazy ideas.
I just saw that guy, the physicist.
I can never pronounce his name.
He's a genius.
joe rogan
Micho Kaku?
duncan trussell
Yes.
He was talking about the different types of civilization.
Type 0 civilization, Type 1 civilization, Type 2 civilization.
I think someone just put it on my Facebook wall.
But basically the concept behind it is that right now we're moving from a Type 0 civilization to a Type 1 civilization, which is we're going into a place where...
We're going to recognize that we're all, you know, we're planetary.
You know what I mean?
We're a planetary civilization instead of broken up in all these weird divergent pieces where we all speak different languages and we have these different beliefs.
We're moving into something where we're all connected via the internet.
But he said this is the most dangerous time possible because we're moving from Type 0 to Type 1, and the Type 0 people, the ones with the crazy ideas, they have nuclear weapons.
And so we're in a place where if we don't work this shit out, we can destroy ourselves.
But if we can get past these crazy ideas that differentiate us, that split us up, the shit where people say, like, you know how those Marines just pissed on the Taliban that they'd shot?
And everybody got upset about that?
Everybody got upset about what?
They got upset that they were pissing on them.
They didn't get upset that they killed.
They're like, how could you urinate on bodies?
It's like, you just blew fucking holes in the chest of these men.
That's horrifying.
That's awful.
We're still at a place right now where it's worse to piss on a dead body than to make a dead body.
Now when we get to a place where making a dead body has the same cultural resonance as pissing on one, where it makes national news because one person had the fucking insane idea of like shooting someone instead of working it out through language or talking it out, that's when we're going to be entering a new age, a new, if we can make it there, a new evolutionary period where we recognize that a solution to a problem is never It's never blasting people to smithereens.
And if it is, it's so fucking rare that it's the most rare thing.
It's only in the most rare situations.
So I think that...
I think that we're on the verge of getting to this place and I think the internet's helping.
I think every time you look at what happened with SOPA and PIPA and you see the power of this organizing force and logic seems to rule in the internet.
It's just logical.
The logical majority seems to be making things happen.
So if that happened on a planetary scale where instead of these fucking insane guys like the president of Syria Look at that freak.
Have you seen that fucking guy?
He's insane.
He's insane.
He's an insane dictator, you know?
If, like, these people...
What was the name?
Mubarak in...
What's his name in Egypt?
What was his name?
joe rogan
Mubarak was the...
duncan trussell
Yeah, these guys who think it's okay to be president for 40 years straight.
You know what I mean?
These fucking assholes, once we start getting them out of the picture, and then move on to the fucking clerics and the priests who are teaching people that they're the only way to communicate with the universe and connect with God.
Once we get rid of those motherfuckers, this is a pretty awesome planet, man.
The resources thing, we can work it out.
We can work out the resources.
I think we could.
I couldn't, maybe, but someone...
joe rogan
You have an awesome, optimistic view of the world.
If we could just all communicate in the same native language so we could tell each other this, that's a big part of the problem.
A big part of the problem is if there was some sort of a civil unrest or some sort of a problem with another part of the country that was European, we would get all the information back immediately.
What's going on, exactly what's going down.
Can you imagine if the United States was in Ireland for some reason?
Oh my god.
It would be ridiculous.
duncan trussell
Also, this language, this new language, it wouldn't just be us talking the same language.
It's a technological, neurological interface that allows us to directly communicate emotion to each other.
Because it's like, imagine how many stupid arguments you've gotten in, like with your girlfriend or with your friends.
It just is about language, where underneath it, you're just feeling the exact, you're just like, I really want things to be okay.
You know what I mean?
So if you could just feel how that felt.
I mean, think about it.
We're forced to articulate our universe through the same fucking organ that we use to chew hamburgers.
That's our way of describing the entire, it's the tip of our feeding tubes is how we're forced to describe the infinite.
We're fucking limited.
It's like in My Left Foot when the guy could only paint with his foot.
Remember that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
We have infinity out here, and all we have to access to describe this infinity and our perception of it and the way it feels to be a part of it is a language that we didn't come up with ourselves, a language that has been passed down and is a trade language.
So the words that we have, there might not be words that exist right now to describe certain facets of reality, and sometimes that will make them invisible.
But if you could undercut language and just have a I mean, imagine being the president of Syria and you, the guy who's killing protesters, jailing people and torturing them.
You take that guy and just for one second he gets a feeling of what it's like to be out in the street or to be in a country where you've had a president forever and you're being completely repressed.
If he could feel that feeling.
You know what I mean?
It would be hard for him to continue on.
It would be hard for him to live in delusion and to think that, oh, it's easy to be a tyrant, I deserve this, or these people are less than me.
Slavery never would have been able to happen.
Slavery was based on this ridiculous idea that somehow black people deserve to be enslaved.
You know, it's the same thing with eating meat.
We believe that In general, people, one way, not everyone, some meat eaters are like, yeah, I'll eat meat and I know that these animals have feelings and generally die a brutal life, but I think I deserve to eat meat and I think that's natural.
That's the best rationale for eating meat.
That's it.
You acknowledge the suffering and pain you're causing and you do it because you think you deserve it.
But some people, they think fucking animals are like clockwork things.
You know what I mean?
Like a little mechanistic like a wristwatch and they don't feel the same things that we feel.
And we'll never know that until we create a neurological interface with animals and the moment you realize, oh fuck man, these cows...
They feel love.
They feel love for each other.
And fear.
And they fucking mourn their kids.
Then when you sit down and eat a hamburger, it's going to be a much more intense experience.
Maybe it'll make it taste better.
I don't know.
But it's going to be...
This cow knew love!
joe rogan
Is that all true, what you said about cows?
That they miss their love?
duncan trussell
I don't think we can know that, but I think that they're like...
Like when I was in India, the cows kind of wander the streets and they're not like...
You know, they're not abused in the same way that they are here.
I'm sure there are some, but they're like really sweet dogs.
They'll come up to you and rub their muzzle against you and you can scratch behind their ears and they're just very sweet.
I mean, I'm not saying cows are fucking dolphins.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if cows eventually evolve and just get a little bit smarter and learn how to speak English and then start coming into people's houses and see all the leather shit?
duncan trussell
Like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
Can you imagine?
I mean, we just assume that cows are never going to evolve.
Because where they are right now is where they are.
We assume they're just going to fucking eat the grass and just be all stupid and not get anything done.
Just run around and make milk.
unidentified
Then we're going to have to start allowing them on buses.
joe rogan
Yeah, what if something happens?
Maybe it's radiation.
Maybe it's like...
Some fucking third world country where we were making Nikes and they did something to the water supply and it makes cows super smart.
duncan trussell
So funny.
Dude, can you imagine that for a farmer?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you have leather everything.
You fuckheads.
You think it's cool to have leather everything?
We have, like, the skin of a murdered animal is, like, standard on cars.
That's our favorite shit.
We want to sit down in flesh, peeled flesh from a murdered animal is the preferred seating of choice.
That's how I like my seat covered.
I like a firm, nice back of murdered animal hide with minimal padding.
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and isn't it odd, though, that even if I died, maybe I'm wrong about this, but if I put my will, I want my flesh cured and made into wallets for my friends.
I don't think I can legally do that.
I don't think you can do that.
joe rogan
No, I don't think you can do that either.
duncan trussell
That's so superstitious and odd.
joe rogan
Well, it is, but you don't want to really open up that market.
duncan trussell
Human flesh market?
joe rogan
The human flesh wallet market, man.
You don't even want to open that door.
duncan trussell
Well, I do.
joe rogan
You don't want to have any of those out there.
You know why?
Because there's one dude and he's going to get through this miserable life in one piece, one way or another, until one day he's at the fucking flea market and he finds a human flesh wallet and that's it!
He's got to make human flesh everything.
Boom!
Murder spree.
He's making human flesh underwear.
Yeah, not good.
You don't want to encourage that kind of shit.
You can't have that out there.
You can't have human flesh wallets out there.
People are just too unpredictably fine.
duncan trussell
I won't do it.
I'll cancel my Kickstarter account.
joe rogan
That's going to be our real problem, man.
It's not just communicating.
It's figuring out how to develop people or redevelop them after they've been fucked up as children.
There's going to be something they figure out, some sort of a reset thing.
duncan trussell
Well, again, if you can get an emotional read on a person, like how they're experiencing reality, then you can communicate with them much better.
Some people are fucked because they can't communicate.
joe rogan
If we were smart as a species, that's one of the big things that we would do.
We would set up places where people who had fucked their lives up Can go and not be a criminal and get some food and have some and help them and figure things out.
Like, listen, we can keep you from going to jail for the rest of your life.
Let's work this out.
Let's fucking figure you out a fucking career path here.
Help this dude.
Somebody help these people.
Everybody's like, hey, put yourself up by your own bootstraps, which I believe in for...
For most things.
For most things, that would be the advice.
But occasionally, there's some people that are a part of society, they're handed the shittiest fucking hand of cards ever in life.
And then they find themselves in and out of the judicial system as a young kid, and they find themselves in jail.
I mean, it's like, man, you don't think that that dude somehow or another didn't get a fair shake ever in his whole life?
And everybody just wants to just lock them up.
That's not the solution either.
The solution is how you fix them.
duncan trussell
It's so weird, man.
It's like the vagina is an elevator door that opens up into this dimension.
And sometimes that elevator puts you out on a bad fucking floor, man.
joe rogan
That is one of the most brilliant things you've ever said.
unidentified
Sometimes that elevator smells.
joe rogan
You've got to remember that.
Somebody tweet that to Duncan.
duncan trussell
I'll remember that.
joe rogan
That's a bit, dude.
duncan trussell
I've been saying some version of that, but not like that.
But so the idea is you get smashed out and some of these people get fucked up.
They get blasted out into a bad apartment, surrounded by crackheads.
joe rogan
Assholes and babies.
unidentified
Who tell them to steal.
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
And this fucking...
What does this lead to?
This leads to what you're talking about.
These people who have...
I mean, imagine spending the first...
12 years of your life before you went into a foster home with the most neurons.
A baby has more neurons in their brain than at any other time in their life.
So you're like a wax seal.
A baby's brain is like a wax seal and the fucking family is like the ring that they push into the fucking medieval times.
We get imprinted and we can't resist it by the vibrational frequencies that we're around when we're blasted into this dimension.
And you need help to get those things transformed.
Like, you can't just do it on your own.
The record's been pressed, man.
You need help to fucking overcome the weird patterns that come from living next to the lunatics that were your parents.
Not everyone had crazy parents, but many people had fucked up parents.
They were giving my mind...
Like, think of how young...
I mean, I think how young your parents were when they had you.
unidentified
Ugh.
duncan trussell
Think about that.
Were they in their 20s, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah.
My mother was 21 when she had me.
duncan trussell
When was the last time you talked to a 21-year-old?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Last night, 4 a.m.
Thanks.
duncan trussell
Thanks.
That's all I needed to know.
joe rogan
Brian lives in that world.
unidentified
You bastard.
joe rogan
He lives in the world of...
He's the only 37-year-old man I know that abuses the word like.
duncan trussell
I'm guilty of that.
joe rogan
This guy's like...
And I'm like, get out of here.
duncan trussell
I'm guilty of that.
I do that.
joe rogan
You like it to death?
duncan trussell
I do the likes, man.
I listen to these YouTube videos sometimes people make and I hear my like, like, like, like.
It makes me want to sew my lips shut.
joe rogan
Well, that's the cool thing about podcasts is you get to find out how annoying your personality really is.
duncan trussell
Oh, you do.
joe rogan
All the annoying aspects of it get highlighted.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's good.
joe rogan
Stuck back in your face.
duncan trussell
It's good to see.
It really is.
I've read this.
There's an interesting essay that this guy has got the weirdest name.
His name is Zerzan.
He's like, I don't know the exact word for what he is, but he's like an anarchist primitivist.
He thinks everything started going bad when we started using symbols to represent reality instead of just being in reality.
The moment you start using symbols to represent reality, you're kind of boxing reality in and you're separating yourself.
You're creating this separation from you and the universe.
And so he was talking about the...
Growing use of the term like, how people use the word like instead of just saying what it is.
So you know it's like you're walking outside and you like come up to this thing and you're like, and he says what that is is this subconscious problem where people are not directly experiencing reality so everything's like something else.
Things aren't being, things are being like something else.
It's very curious.
It's pretty good.
If you look up Zerzan, it's a little fucking dense, but it's a pretty good essay.
unidentified
Joe, have you ever hung out with guys that hate symbols?
joe rogan
That hate cymbals.
Yeah, and drums.
Yeah, I hate cymbals too.
Not into either one of those instruments.
Well, you know, it's weird, you know, one of the things that I always thought was fascinating about ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs is that they had a completely different way of writing things.
So they must have had a completely different way of talking, a completely different way of, like, Of phrasing things.
When you look at how you could be a human being, obviously an intelligent human being, advanced, sophisticated culture, capable of producing amazing works of art, but that language is totally alien to us.
We look at it and we're like, what is this crazy chicken scratch and pictures of birds and shit?
These fucking people, this is what they used to describe the world, but somehow or another, to them, it worked.
They thought of things in a different way.
Their written language consisted of symbols.
Not like ours, but like images.
Really fascinating shit, man.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it is.
Language is one of the most fascinating things to think about when you're tripping.
It's fun to contemplate where each word is coming from, like the transformation of the thought into the word and how instantaneous that happens.
So when you start contemplating, where is this language coming from?
I don't even think about this.
It just happens.
joe rogan
And for the longest time, people have always been aware that one of the big things that keeps people from really directly communicating with everybody is the language barrier.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, that's why the myth of the Tower of Babel existed.
That was like a plan to give us all different languages so we could never fucking figure out how to communicate with each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is really fascinating because, I mean...
Really would make sense.
Like, if someone had that kind of power, if there were a warlock who could just go, I will give everyone a different language!
duncan trussell
God!
joe rogan
You know, I mean, that would be a good move.
If you really could do that, I mean, if it was that easy to be the architect of reality, that would be a good move.
You don't want them to rally up.
We'll have them all live in these little spots and give them fucking languages and shit.
No one understands what the other one is saying.
duncan trussell
You know what I would say?
If I went over to God's house, like there's a lot of gods living in the same neighborhood and they all have these little aquarium earths that they're fucking with.
If I went over to a fucking God, the God's house that did that, I'd be like, you're a dick, man.
Why don't you just let them speak the same language and have fun?
Why do you consistently fuck with these people?
You gotta give them a break.
You know what?
I'd call animal control on God.
Like, if you believe the concept of God, And really think about the fundamentalist Christian concept of God.
If someone was doing that to animals, what God is apparently doing to us, according to the fundamentalist Christians, he would go to jail for a long time.
Anonymous would fucking attack him.
God's a sadist.
He's like taking gay people, burning them in hell forever.
He's like giving cancer to people because they deserve it.
He makes people go blind.
He turned a whole city in the Bible to salt or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did a lot of creepy shit.
duncan trussell
He's a creep!
There's no other way around it.
There's no other way around it.
There's better ways to deal with people.
joe rogan
But you don't understand, Duncan.
The Lord has a plan.
And although to you and your mind, you believe you have it all figured out, and that you're smarter than the Lord, and I say that's not possible, Duncan.
duncan trussell
You're a mocker!
You're a mocker!
I can remember this, um...
joe rogan
If you're thinking too much, they get mad at you.
You can't have questions.
duncan trussell
That's not what...
You shouldn't use your mind for that.
You gotta let God be.
joe rogan
Scripture says...
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Scripture says...
unidentified
He who walketh with me walketh with the Lord.
joe rogan
They'll say shit like that and you go, what does that even mean?
What the fuck does that mean?
duncan trussell
Well, I mean...
joe rogan
You know what that means?
That means that's the dude with the mushrooms.
duncan trussell
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
That's what it means.
duncan trussell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's the sad thing.
There's a great book called...
It's by Abraham Maslow, and it's called Religious Values and Peak Experiences.
And it talks about a theoretical...
A theory of how religion happens and the progression of information as it goes from being someone who's really happy...
To it being a priest class that's controlling people.
And so his idea is certain people throughout time have had peak experiences where they break through the particular ego barrier created by the zeitgeist of their time.
They have a direct communication with some kind of like super ideas, super intelligence, whatever you want to call it.
They get really happy.
Happy in a way not just like someone who's having a good day, but in a way where if you ran into them You would recognize that they'd figured something out.
So that person gets a group of people around him who are kind of magnetized by the energy and by what they're saying and they're talking about a real way that you can live and actually be happy in the world.
And those people from being around someone who's like, you know, like in sports, They used to say you could only run a mile in this amount of time.
And everyone thought that and everyone was doing that.
And then right when someone broke it, all of a sudden everyone started breaking.
It's like, oh yeah, I could do that.
So in the same way, certain people will overcome a specific phantom of their time, which is causing them to be miserable.
Those people get people around them who also get this certain level of happiness.
The person who came up with the original idea dies.
Now he's just got the disciples, and the disciples have people around them.
And they transmit this idea to the people around him, but now it's a little diluted.
And some of the people who are doing it aren't really quite happy.
They're not doing it right.
So you pass that down.
It keeps getting watered and more watered.
It keeps getting watered and watered and watered.
And then the next thing you know, you have some fucking old horny man with his pants down just nailing a fucking toddler in a confession booth.
And that's the end result.
Starts off with a super happy guy, ends up with a fucking...
A pedophile dressed like a god clown with his cock in a kid's ass.
That's how mutated things get, which is why it's very funny that people feel so desperate to cling on to this old thing instead of thinking, wait, there might be a new thing that we can come up with based on all the information we have right now.
joe rogan
At the end of the day, It's all shit that was written down by people.
At the end of the day.
And why would we ever think that the people who lived thousands of years ago had it right?
Okay?
Why?
Why would you want to believe that?
There might be information there that we could use and could help us, but the most important thing is to know what we know now.
Know what we know now, and let's figure this fucking thing out together.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Following any crazy shit.
Anything.
I don't care what it is.
Judaism, Christianity, Muslim.
What do you want to be?
What do you want to be?
I want to be a Hare Krishna.
It's all the same.
It's all something that someone put together.
With the message behind it, who knows if it's right?
Who knows if it's wrong?
Who knows if there really is an actual man in the fucking clouds in the biblical sense?
Who the fuck knows?
It doesn't seem likely to me, based on what I've experienced in my life, but...
duncan trussell
If it is, I'm going to be pissed.
joe rogan
But even if it is, I mean, the universe is fucking so bizarre.
Just the idea of the infinite space is so bizarre that a guy in the clouds with a harp, why is that so weird?
I mean, yeah, why not?
Fucking why not?
Why not?
Why not there be one guy that's running the whole fucking thing?
What the fuck?
It sounds crazy that there could be a heaven, a pearly gates and shit.
You get up there and this dude's wearing white and everybody's floating.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But...
Imagine if it was true.
Imagine if you got up.
That is not to me nearly as shocking.
Heaven is not nearly as shocking as the universe itself.
duncan trussell
Well, I think that what we're talking about here is that the ability to describe reality and to understand reality keeps increasing as we evolve as a species.
There's really smart people, you know, in every single time.
There have been very smart people at every single time.
Really smart people in different ways.
But their ability to describe reality was limited to the language available to them and the technology that was around them at the time.
I mean, if you look at, like, shit, man.
I hope you remember this because there's a book in the Old Testament that is, in my mind, is clearly a UFO encounter.
I think it's Leviticus.
It's not Leviticus.
joe rogan
Ezekiel.
duncan trussell
It's Ezekiel.
Now you look at that, and what does the guy use to describe this thing?
joe rogan
It's like a wheel within a wheel.
unidentified
Chariots!
duncan trussell
Yeah, wheels and chariots and just the shit that's available to him to describe this experience that he had.
Now, if someone saw that same thing, they'd be like, yeah, I got sucked up by a UFO. They gave me a psychedelic.
I saw something that's coming, which is relevant in this time period.
joe rogan
Or a coconut fell on that motherfucker's head and sparks were flying and he didn't know what happened.
He woke up in a ditch with a bloody head.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
With a coconut.
duncan trussell
It could have been a hallucination and people just believed it.
But I think that outside of religious hallucinations or visions and people trying to describe it, everyone's limited to the tools that they have around them to observe reality and they can only report on reality based on the tools that they have.
joe rogan
And the experiences that they have to draw upon, which is one of the reasons why the whole UFO thing seems so preposterous to people.
We don't have that experience to draw upon.
An experience of an alien, intelligent life form.
It's like looking back at us while we're looking at it.
I don't think...
I think...
90% of the people on the planet would just die of a heart attack.
Like, immediately.
Boom!
Their hearts would fucking explode.
Yeah.
If aliens came and they were super intelligent with those big fucking gray heads and those giant black eyes, they could totally read your mind.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were all just, like, floating and freezing people and erasing memories and shit, like all these Travis Walton stories.
You know, like that guy that...
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
If that were to actually happen, I don't think the human race would survive.
I think we can't survive.
We're the alpha.
We can't exist in a world where we're under the thumb of some incredibly intelligent, super sophisticated, alien life form that thinks in a completely different way than us and can control matter.
duncan trussell
Well, you know, man, I have this optimistic idea of it.
joe rogan
Control matter, like I'm writing for the X-Men.
duncan trussell
I don't think it's going to come from the sky and the silver ships.
I think the way it goes down is maybe...
All of a sudden, we as a species get to a point where we kind of realize we remember actually what's going on.
I think right now we have a little bit of amnesia.
We have lost a sense of what truly is happening.
I think when you take a really potent psychedelic, sometimes you'll see this universe that already is around you, that's already happening around you at all times.
You get a sense all of a sudden that you've been there before.
And then it goes away.
But it seems like we're more like getting projected into this reality with awful amnesia for some...
I don't know what it's for.
It could be just a video game.
It could be a sadistic joke.
It could be a prank.
This could be a prank that one super intelligent entity is playing on another super intelligent entity.
It could be anything.
joe rogan
Or it can be a novelty creating machine like McKenna thought.
McKenna thought that the universe was a novelty creating and harvesting machine.
And that we as the most complex organisms possibly in the universe...
We're at the pinnacle of this novelty creation.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
That's the whole reason for it all.
It seems chaotic to us.
It seems like this is preposterous.
We should know, but it's almost like in our instincts as an organism, we have a direction to go.
And the direction is not spiritual.
It's technological.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
People are not looking for some sort of a spiritual release and some sort of a A broader perspective on the universe, an objective view of life.
No.
They're looking to see if they can punch a hole through the center of space.
You know what I mean?
The real height of progress is not a complete overhauling and understanding of the educational system, of the way to develop human minds, the way to stop people from harming each other, instead of devoting all of our resources to evolving socially, if it even is possible ever, instead of doing that.
duncan trussell
One thing you can do is, when you think about the passage of time as we move into the future, if you get out of your head this idea it's like running down a race track or something, like you're running down a track, and think of it more in the sense of a revealing is happening.
So as we progress into the future...
More things begin to emerge into this reality that weren't there before.
Like we go from having stone tools to all of a sudden having, you know, iron tools.
And then we go from that to all of a sudden, you know, where we are now, where we're surrounded by fucking silver glowing Macintosh computers and like microphones that are somehow recording our voice.
And these things keep getting revealed more and more and more.
And any of these items, should you take them back 100 years, people would think it was a UFO.
They'd see it and think that fell out of a spaceship.
So all of a sudden you realize, and maybe McKenna said this, and I think he may have said something like this, but the idea is the spaceship, the alien, the extraterrestrial intelligence, it's growing around us like crystals.
When you're a kid and you're growing crystals, but it's growing in the form of technology that eventually is going to become self-aware.
Which is why I heard this awesome thing, which is the first alien contact that we have is going to be a computer that wakes up.
That's going to be our first communication with another consciousness.
Not something from the great void of space, but something that grew through time.
joe rogan
I say that's totally possible, but I don't say not something from space.
Because it could be something from space.
That's possible, too.
duncan trussell
I hope so.
joe rogan
It could be that the first UFO or the first real intelligence that we encounter that's greater than our own is something that we create ourselves.
It replicates itself very quickly.
That was the idea that once a computer becomes sentient, the real issue is going to be that they're going to be able to go, this is a stupid fucking design.
Who built me?
And then they build something way better.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
Instantly, they know exactly how to put it together.
And, you know, The idea of programming emotions and programming our mammalian system of dealing with babies and puppies and little baby chickies and shit.
They won't have any of that guilt or weird feeling about biological life.
And they might just say, look at these fucking assholes shitting all over this planet.
We can't even use half of the resources on the planet because these fuckheads have blown up nuclear bombs and left nuclear waste in holes.
We're like cats.
We take our nuclear shits and we just throw them in a hole.
And then we cover over it.
We're like stupid cats.
At the top of the heap of technological innovation and science, the best way to get rid of nuclear waste besides shooting it at other planets.
Could you imagine what assholes we would be considering in the universe if we just shot our nuclear waste up into space like a rocket?
We send it out with the Voyager and it crash lands on someone's fucking moon someday.
What if it starts some future war?
They think it's a bomb.
We shoot nuclear waste they're wearing.
Apparently it's very devastating to their particular environment.
Kills like 80% of the people on the planet.
The rest, they get together on giant battleships and head to Earth.
It's a fucking good movie.
Somebody make that.
Make that movie.
Could they shoot nuclear waste into space?
Can they do that?
duncan trussell
Well, the problem with that is, yeah, I'm sure you could, but it takes so much energy to get it out of the orbit of the planet that it ends up becoming less efficient to use nuclear energy.
joe rogan
You know, they blew up a bomb in the atmosphere.
duncan trussell
Why wouldn't you, Joe?
joe rogan
A nuclear bomb.
I think it was called Operation Starfish Prime.
duncan trussell
Cool name.
joe rogan
I think that was the name of it.
Yeah.
Let me Google that so I don't...
duncan trussell
Starfish Prime?
unidentified
Is Michael Bay involved?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
For real, man.
They decided to shoot a fucking nuclear warhead right up into the ionosphere.
unidentified
Wouldn't it, like, fuck up some kind of rotation or something?
Or possibly...
duncan trussell
Well, you don't want it to fall back.
You mean blowing up a fucking nuke in the atmosphere?
I think at that time they didn't really know what it was going to do.
joe rogan
What did I say was Prime what?
duncan trussell
Oh, fuck.
Something Prime.
Starfish Prime.
unidentified
Starfish Prime.
joe rogan
That sounds like a little biscuit album.
duncan trussell
Initiate Starfish Prime.
joe rogan
Sounds like a little biscuit album, doesn't it?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
It's a good nickname for somebody.
joe rogan
It's a good Limp Bizkit.
duncan trussell
It's like a nickname for a stripper who knows karate.
unidentified
Sounds like a weed stream.
joe rogan
Wow, one of five high-altitude tests.
Jesus Christ.
They shot a bunch of fucking nuclear bombs up into space just to see what would happen.
Oh, these people are so crazy.
duncan trussell
The people that we got...
joe rogan
The people that we got running our world are so fucking hilarious, man.
Like, the people that created weapons.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
And the people that decided to, like, test them and blow shit up.
You've seen the video of the one nuclear bomb that they blew up in the ocean where there's all these battleships around it and the fucking...
Fucking water is going like, I don't know, like half a mile into the sky.
And it's just, it's so ridiculous.
The power they explode.
I mean, exaggerating?
Am I even exaggerating?
I might not be, man.
At least like a tenth of a mile.
Oh, it was more than a hundred feet.
It was ridiculously high in the sky.
And these are battleships, dude, like big-ass battleships.
And this fucking water is just flying through the air.
Like somebody made that.
Well, a group of people.
They made that and then they just fucking did it.
They just did it.
Let's see what it looks like.
You know how fucking fascinating that must have been when it was only theoretical?
When there was all these eggheads sitting around and they have these ideas.
And you've got Oppenheimer and Einstein and all these motherfuckers with their ideas come together and they think it could be done.
And they know it could be.
It's almost like science compels them to create it.
Science knowing.
duncan trussell
That right there.
There's the danger.
Because things get weird at that point.
Like those fucking scientists.
joe rogan
And someone is in control of it other than the scientists themselves.
duncan trussell
Yes.
And someone always will be.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And the people that will be would never be able to create that in the first place.
They would never be able to come up with this intellectually.
duncan trussell
That's why scientists, it's a very interesting thing because they have this idea.
They're just seeking knowledge.
They can't help it.
There's no ethics, no moral.
That's what they do.
But the people paying them to do this, it's quite often the military.
But look at these fucking guys who just invented that new bird flu.
Did you hear about this?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
duncan trussell
Running it through ferret kidneys or something.
I don't remember how they did it.
It was like running it through ferrets.
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
So they created apparently something that, what is it, 30% of the people who died would kill?
joe rogan
Yeah, something insane.
duncan trussell
They said it would make smallpox look like the common cold.
Smallpox is already something that if there was a smallpox outbreak, we'd be fucked.
We beat smallpox.
joe rogan
Yeah, why are they making fucking super diseases?
duncan trussell
Because they're just trying to find information.
They're exploring the universe.
And so that's their motivation, yet what they did is they created a biological nuclear weapon.
Now, all over the fucking planet, there's people in the military.
I'm sure that some military commander was just looking through the air and was like, Martha, can you get those scientists on the line?
I'd like to talk to them.
And they're like, hey, do you guys want to make $17 million this week?
Send over your research.
We'd like to know how to make this biological agent.
And then the next thing you know...
Some fucking government somewhere in the world.
I mean, shit, you think Iran wasn't interested in that?
Or maybe North Korea or us, certainly.
Any fucking world power would want that weapon.
That's a great weapon outside of the fact that it ends up...
Well, see, you know biological weapons?
Biological weapons have a really...
The problem with that one is it might not burn itself out, but biological weapons have a distinct advantage over nuclear weapons because nuclear weapons destroy infrastructure.
Biological weapons just kill, you know, life.
joe rogan
Biological life.
duncan trussell
So if you have a nice, fast-moving fucking disease that you've made that you can drop on a city, then, you know, fly in there three months down the road, clean up the bodies, you've got a city, you know?
unidentified
Jesus fucking Christ.
duncan trussell
Yeah, so it's better than a fucking nuclear weapon where now you've got a nuclear wasteland that you can't use for a long time.
So, isn't it strange...
joe rogan
It just comes down to the people...
That are in control of that kind of power.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Almost can't help but be cunts.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
The only reason why you got to that position in the first place is because you wanted to do this.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're one of those guys pushing these buttons, you've always wanted to do this.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and it puts us in a real bind, man, because...
joe rogan
It doesn't represent us.
duncan trussell
It doesn't represent us.
joe rogan
It doesn't represent any of us.
duncan trussell
But even if...
Let's say we spread it.
Let's say somehow it spreads through, and all of a sudden, like, the consciousness of, like, all these people who started getting into power, they're like, you know, people who are, like, coming...
Like, people who are coming into power all of a sudden have more open-minded internet ideology of how the world works.
And let's say that just...
The whole of our government suddenly turns into like the smartest fucking people on, forgive me for saying this, the smartest people on Reddit are now running the United States government.
All of a sudden that's being...
unidentified
That would be awesome.
duncan trussell
It would be awesome!
It would be fucking...
The country would be...
joe rogan
Perfect.
duncan trussell
Fucking...
joe rogan
It would be perfect.
duncan trussell
There would be like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, if the internet ran the world, the world would be beautiful.
duncan trussell
The world would be incredible.
joe rogan
You know why?
Because the internet is the voice of the people.
It's the only voice of the people.
It's the only voice we all have.
It's the only way.
duncan trussell
The breaking news stories would be like cute cat pictures.
But here's the problem.
If that happened in this country, let's say it happened in Europe, and let's say it happened in parts of Asia.
Still, these pockets, all you need is like two or three fucking pockets of people who are worshipping some mythological entity that they think hates gay people and wants women to wear fucking weird shit or thinks it's okay to lash people.
I don't remember which country it was.
I think some country just executed someone.
I think it might have been Iran, but that could be propaganda.
Who knows?
I don't know.
But apparently they executed a guy for coming up with a program that allows people to download porn.
unidentified
Yes!
duncan trussell
Now, if you just have a few of these psychopaths out there, they can ruin the whole fucking party.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
duncan trussell
It's like the Earth right now has the potential to turn into an awesome party, but you know that thing that happens when two dicks roll into a party, like two weirdos that nobody invited, or all of a sudden start fucking drinking too much and trying to pick fights?
That's what we have on a planetary scale right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
But the people, it used to be it was mostly psychos at the party.
Now it's getting to be where there's more and more cool people at the party, and we've got to figure out how to get the dicks out of the house.
That's where we're at right now.
How do we do it?
Let's get these assholes out of here.
joe rogan
What we've got to do is we've got to convert the dicks.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Convert whatever dicks that can be converted, convert them to be cool human beings.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So let them know that to be nice to people feels good for you, too.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And it's the best way to communicate with people.
Be nice to everybody.
Pump your friends up.
You know, help each other out.
Be cool to each other.
Support each other.
Look out for each other.
Develop a community of people that are fun.
unidentified
You just want to give them all mushrooms, don't you, Joe?
Shh.
duncan trussell
Why not?
unidentified
They're good for you.
joe rogan
I'm trying to be subtle, yo.
duncan trussell
They just found it out.
joe rogan
Why are you clowning on my game, kid?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a thread on mixedmartialarts.com.
It says, why is Joe Rogan so into mushrooms?
unidentified
Did you see that thing I tweeted today?
joe rogan
Obviously written by someone who hasn't done mushrooms, right?
duncan trussell
You have to ask that.
You've never done mushrooms.
joe rogan
Yeah, come on, silly.
unidentified
Did you see that thing I tweeted today?
It's kind of odd.
I've known about it for a while, but they found evidence to help...
Mushrooms helping depression?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did see that.
Look, in this day and age, what they should be doing with mushrooms is studying them.
They should be absolutely decriminalized.
No one's dying from mushrooms.
What people are doing, they're freaking out.
One of the reasons why they're freaking out is because life is fucking crazy enough as it is.
And a lot of times, you're holding a billion things in the back of your head that you're trying to fight off.
You don't want to remember or you want to pretend you did a better thing than you really did.
You take those mushrooms and your ugly truth is just thrown into your face like diarrhea from a horse.
Just all over you.
That's what it's just like.
Your reality.
And that's a bad trip.
That's not a bad trip.
That was a trip you needed.
duncan trussell
There are no bad trips, Joe.
There are only difficult trips.
joe rogan
Difficult trips.
duncan trussell
Challenging trips.
That's the idea.
You've got to remove the...
I heard that...
Unless you overdose.
joe rogan
Unless you overdose.
unidentified
What I did was a bad trip.
There was nothing possible.
joe rogan
With Brian, it's sort of like if you got jet fuel and you shoved it into someone's Prius, they'd be like, what the fuck is this in here for?
We're not working right.
unidentified
I couldn't walk, Duncan.
I was falling.
My feet would not work.
duncan trussell
We don't have the...
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to be like Shaquille O'Neal to handle that kind of...
unidentified
You know what I mean?
duncan trussell
But in this super society we're talking about, they would have a 911 for bad trips.
Like 7-1-1, if you're having a bad trip, call it and be like, I'm fucking freaking out, I can't feel my feet.
And then they could send over some fucking cool...
joe rogan
Well, the real problem is we're great when we can communicate directly with each other, but when we band together in big groups and then we can't communicate, we get too far away from each other, then we just start getting dicky with the people that are furthest away.
Like, fuck them, man.
I'm taking their shit.
They're over by where the good water is.
And, you know, that's where the lack of it, the fact that you don't feel all these other people.
I think it's an evolving entity.
That's what I think.
I think the human organism is some crazy...
Technology inventing evolving organism.
I think the invention of technology, though, I think is like the whole reason why we're here.
I think what we're all doing as stand-up comedians and as nurses and doctors, we are all supporting the system that keeps alive the people that make the awesome shit.
unidentified
We're just going to find out that we are technology.
When you die, you're like, oh, I get it.
joe rogan
We're the caterpillar that becomes the butterfly.
We are working towards the invention of this ultimate technology.
We just don't see it that way.
We think of our lives as, I've got to get my shit together, and I've got to get my yoga.
When I get to yoga, I'm there.
I'm home.
I'm centered.
You're just trying to make up for the fact that you've got some weird situation where your husband doesn't fuck you anymore.
Let's be realistic.
duncan trussell
Crazy with them crystals!
joe rogan
Crazy with your crystals!
But at the end of the day, I have a feeling that the whole thing might be in place just so we keep buying cooler shit.
And this weird, complex social order that we have is all just fucking the ripples and waves of reality, but the whole...
Thing is pushing towards more improved technology.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, it pushes towards innovation.
Look at what's happening right now with SOPA and PIPA. What you're seeing is right now technology has surpassed government and it's surpassed the control mechanisms that are in place in the entertainment industry to monetize their product.
They have to innovate a new way.
joe rogan
We have to be able to vote on shit online.
That's what it should be.
It should be you log in, you have a fucking email address, you know, it's Duncan Trussell at theunitedstatesofamerica.com, and you fucking log in, and you get to vote, period.
That's how it should all be done.
Yeah, keep the system secure, don't be an asshole, don't abuse it, let's find out what people really want.
How about that?
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's, you know...
joe rogan
That's the future, bitches.
unidentified
It would be hacked.
It would be hacked.
joe rogan
Listen, write it down.
I know that some dude hacked UFC.com this week.
unidentified
Yeah, it's because of the soap.
joe rogan
I wanted to find out some information on one of the upcoming match-ups and I went, you gotta be motherfucking kidding me.
Some little weirdo dude made this cool, it was actually kind of a cool weird picture that you would love.
It was like a Hitler with big crazy giant eyes.
Did you see it?
unidentified
Yeah.
It's like a redirect.
duncan trussell
Why did he hack it?
joe rogan
Because of SOPA, the UFC supports the online piracy thing.
duncan trussell
They must not understand it then.
unidentified
Well, every media company is doing it because that's what it's for.
duncan trussell
Because they're scared.
You know what it is, man.
It's like you've got this fucking problem.
People are afraid to speak up.
And a lot of people agreed on this dumb thing.
And now the truth is coming out about the way it works and people are afraid to speak up.
joe rogan
I don't know enough about it, but I'm going to see them this weekend.
I'm going to ask them what it's all about.
I don't understand.
So I'm sure they'll be able to explain it to me.
unidentified
You see Dana's tweets during when all this was happening.
He's like, I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.
He's like, I'm not eBay.
That's what he said.
He goes, I'm not eBay, LOL. He goes, I'm not in the website business.
I'm in the fight business.
You could not have a better guy running that thing.
You could not have a better guy.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that guy's a cool guy.
joe rogan
People give Dana White shit.
I don't know, man.
He wants to be high with his employees.
unidentified
Huh?
We don't have to smoke.
joe rogan
Yes, we do.
We're going to do a podcast?
unidentified
No, we don't have to smoke.
joe rogan
Dana would do it.
We could have him on, for sure.
unidentified
We just want to tell him.
joe rogan
I don't know if there's a lot of shit he couldn't talk about now.
It's big time.
Big time with a fox.
Fox executive.
Big fox fight this weekend, man.
You don't even give a fuck.
So I'll just talk about it amongst myself.
I'm very excited.
duncan trussell
Wait.
joe rogan
There's UFC this weekend.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, I know that.
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Damian Maia versus this kid, Chris Weidman.
He's this badass wrestler from New York.
Fucking kid's a beast.
He's like one of those up-and-coming guys, strangling people, putting people to sleep, taking people down, smashing like veterans.
And he's taking on that Damian Maia jiu-jitsu wizard.
That's a badass fight.
duncan trussell
You know what's shocking about the UFC, man, that you don't see unless you come to a live UFC? What?
Seeing somebody get choked out up close is fucking disturbing, man.
It's awesome, but man, when you see that fucking...
It's like watching somebody with, I don't know, gardening shit.
It just clamps down.
It's like watching a clamp just smash someone's windpipe.
It seems like they can't live after that.
It seems like you'd destroy their neck.
joe rogan
Yeah, you feel like it, but no.
Dude's coming right back.
duncan trussell
Boink!
unidentified
Joe, did you see that UFC has the Xbox app now where you can just watch live UFCs on Xbox?
Yeah, so you can just sit there and like pay-per-view, but through Xbox.
joe rogan
How much does they charge your Xbox?
Is that what works?
That's sweet.
They're doing them in movie theaters as well.
They've done them before in movie theaters.
That would be fucking wicked.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
But, you know, choke outs, physiologically, not that bad for your body.
Head impact is bad.
Head impact, they're finding out, is, you know, you gotta limit the amount of times you get hit.
That's why for a fighter, it's really important to know when to hang it up.
There's a certain amount of shots, and after that, you should really, you should, you know, I know you still like to do it, but you've got to think about your future.
duncan trussell
Who decides this?
joe rogan
Is it always in the decision of the fighter, or can the UFC... Ultimately, it has to be the decision of the fighter, unless someone owns him, unless he's a slave.
duncan trussell
But as an organization, if you kind of know a guy...
joe rogan
Well, the organization, if the UFC decided that someone should be fighting for them, that doesn't keep them from fighting.
They'll go somewhere else.
The UFC does offer advice to guys, and they care very much for their fighters.
Chuck Liddell, they gave him a great job, and part of the reason was they didn't want him to fight anymore.
He had this amazing career, but when it's over, it's over.
They had one last fight.
He lost that.
They said, alright, you're right.
I'm just going to settle in.
They got him an awesome, cushy desk job, and he travels around.
He represents the UFC.
And the beauty of that is it's like they took care of him.
They pulled him.
You know what I mean?
They said, look, this is it.
This is time.
Let's just settle the fuck down.
Let's move on to the next stage of life.
You're a bad motherfucker.
You'll be a bad motherfucker in business.
He'll be a bad motherfucker at anything he wants to do.
But at a certain point in time, it's good to have someone who cares for you that comes in and steps in.
And that's what Dana did.
Dana totally hooked Chuck up.
Chuck was with him from the beginning.
They were together at the beginning, and he's taking care of them.
It's awesome.
It's awesome to see that.
It's awesome to see a guy who knows, like, you know what?
This is a smart thing to do.
I'm just going to step away.
Because it's so hard for fighters, man.
That moment, the moment of competition is so intense and so extreme and victory.
You know, I've been there while Chuck Liddell won, like, some big, big fights.
I was, like, right there.
During his heyday, when he was in his prime, man.
And having been there and having seen that...
If you could ever do that, ever, if you could ever do that, you would want to keep doing it.
You would just be convinced, I'm just going to go one more time.
I'm going to keep doing it.
It's amazing that he could ever stop because it's such a rush for them.
I watched him knock these dudes out.
I watched him knock Randy Couture out twice.
He's just flatlining guys with these punches.
It was crazy.
And then running around.
He was just scared.
unidentified
Scariest fucking guy on the planet for like a few years, man.
joe rogan
He was terrifying.
When he was just running shit in the UFC, when he was in his true athletic peak, that must have been an amazing feeling.
That life must have been so crazy and exciting.
You're stepping into a cage against the most ferocious guys on the planet and you're smashing them.
Smashing them in front of the whole world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, his career was incredible, man.
Just fucking incredible knockouts.
The Babalu knockouts.
I mean, he was just a beast, man.
When Chuck Liddell was on top, when he was at his best, man.
One of the most exciting guys of all time.
So for that guy, you know, it's probably real hard to just accept getting up in the morning and listening to the quiet of your yard as you walk towards your Fucking newspaper that's sitting on your front porch, and you're looking out there, and people are mowing their lawn.
You start shadowboxing.
You start going, maybe just one more fight.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You get bored.
You want to get back in there.
You want to feel the fucking rush.
You want to...
You know?
It's hard for those guys.
It's very hard.
It's an incredibly difficult transition.
I experienced it on the most minute of levels.
You know?
Just taekwondo and kickboxing.
But when I... When I stopped fighting when I was like 20...
21 or 22 was my last fight.
I just fucking...
It's a weird decision.
It's a hard decision to do.
duncan trussell
I know the feeling, man.
I get that feeling.
joe rogan
Reality gets boring.
duncan trussell
I get that feeling when I delete StarCraft from my computer.
joe rogan
The real problem with me when I was a kid doing martial arts is I worried about two things.
One, you couldn't make any money.
There was no money in kickboxing.
There was nothing back then.
You couldn't even kickbox in Massachusetts.
You'd have to drive to Rhode Island.
It was weird.
You could fight in full contact Taekwondo matches in Massachusetts, but you couldn't kickbox.
You had to go to Rhode Island for that.
And they didn't even have Muay Thai there.
It was just like it was a mess.
And then there's the brain damage issue.
Brain damage is always a concern.
I was always thinking about that.
Because I knew.
I did not do very well in school because I did not want to pay attention.
I was just a really distracted kid.
I'm sure if I was with the wrong parents, they would have drugged me, especially today.
I was super distracted.
But I read a lot of shit.
And being like...
A young kid and not knowing what the fuck is going on with the world and trying to figure things out and trying to read as much as you can to try to piece it together yourself.
It's a very bizarre place to be.
A lot of us get there, right?
A lot of people that we know...
Came from a place where when they were really young, they were like, what the fuck is going on with the world?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
How old do you think you were when you had your first, oh, I think my parents might be fucking crazy thought?
Were you like, these people are in charge of telling me what to do?
This is nonsense.
You're talking crazy talk here.
duncan trussell
It happened for me the first time that I took LSD. And maybe before that, but when I took LSD for the first time, I can remember...
Whenever you take LSD, especially...
When I took LSD, what worries do I have?
I'm in fucking high school.
There's nothing in it.
There's no demons to come swimming out of my brain and taunt me with all the myriad of things you get when you're older.
There's just fucking nothing.
joe rogan
You were just open.
duncan trussell
I might be upset because a cheerleader that came over to my house, I couldn't figure out how to kiss her.
Maybe that's the biggest problem I'm having at the time.
But at that time, when I did it for the first time and had that initial experience, and you go back to your parents who've never taken it, and if you mentioned to them that you'd even taken it, they might want to put you in a drug rehab or they think you're insane or they think you're getting down the wrong track.
You're forced into this place of like, fuck, man.
I can't...
You guys don't even...
You don't even know.
You don't even understand this new way of experiencing life.
And I think there's a lot of people...
Who spend their whole lives never knowing that.
You don't have to take psychedelics to get to that place.
There's other ways to get to that place.
But yeah, it's a very strange thing.
And those people who never get to that place, they're the ones who are, a lot of them are in control right now.
joe rogan
So your life took an inexorable change when you did acid.
That was like the point where you look back and you said, this is the point where I went off into this direction.
duncan trussell
Well, no, I'd say that Taking Acid started with a series of like books.
It started with contact with like, you know, the whole weirdness, my whole weirdness started with, or as I recall, it started with me...
coming upon this book that my mom had called Raja Yoga by Yogi Rama Chiraka, who, by the way, was never a yogi.
It was just some English mystic who wrote this book and lied about being a yogi.
But it's a fascinating story.
But the book, you know, that was the first time I'd ever read the idea that you're an observer observing yourself, that you're an observer observing That you aren't necessarily the you that can be observed.
It's not you.
You're the observer state, the mindfulness, the watcher.
That's the first time I'd come upon the idea of what's called the Atman, the thing that observes yourself.
You know, someone will say, I'm really mad right now.
The moment you say, I'm mad, you're creating a distinction between the thing that's observing that you're mad and the thing that's mad.
So that observer, that watcher, that's the thing that, that mindfulness is what, you know, throughout My whole life I try to, you know, go into that place of observing myself rather than being the thing.
And it's a game that you can play and it really is quite helpful with a variety of problems, especially if you get really angry.
If you get really angry and you can stop yourself and just watch.
And there's tools you can use.
In that book I remember it said, as you walk around, start thinking he is walking.
That was like one of the tools.
Like it's in a book and you're a character in a book.
So when you're going around, you're like, you know, right now he's doing a podcast.
Right now he's talking.
And so these are activities designed to create this like the watcher, the state of presence of watching.
So that started it.
That led me to like, you know, and then I found out about, you know, I think I read the electric Kool-Aid acid test, you know, about fucking Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters blasting themselves on acid and going to the World's Fair in a bus.
Then I read that shit.
No, I remember!
unidentified
Wait!
duncan trussell
I'll tell you, then I'll stop this weird rant.
I remember now.
Fucking filmstrip.
That's what it started in my head.
I think I was in like the fourth grade and they showed us a drug filmstrip.
Remember filmstrips?
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
duncan trussell
And it fucking popped up.
There's a guy.
I still remember it.
It's a guy in a fucking...
Empty apartment.
And he's curled against the law in the fetal position.
And it's at LSD. And it looks terrible.
And then the narrator says, LSD can make you experience hallucinations.
You can see dragons.
And I remember him saying, you can see dragons.
And I'm like, I want to see a fucking dragon!
unidentified
How do you see a dragon?
duncan trussell
That sounds awesome!
Fuck the empty apartment and the fetal position.
I'll figure it out.
joe rogan
That guy's a pussy.
What are you crying?
You saw a dragon, you little bitch?
You took acid.
What did you expect?
duncan trussell
And that put it in my head.
It's like, well, you know, I think that that's an interesting thing to explore.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
So you think that you were like two Duncans, like Duncan 1 and Duncan 2?
Like Duncan 1 is like regular Duncan growing up, innocent boy, boom, psychedelics, and then Duncan 2, 2.0.
duncan trussell
Yeah, there's definitely a Duncan 2 that happened, I'd say.
And then that Duncan 2 changed too, man.
Because as you get older, the best thing that can happen to you is you get knocked off track.
That's the best thing that can happen to you in general.
Because generally the track you're on has been set for you by people who never got off their track.
You end up the child of someone who decided to have you in their 20s, 21, 22. They're not going to know a lot of stuff.
They're not going to understand the universe that much unless they came from a really good family of like, Artists or intelligent people, chances are they're scared, hungry, desperate, angry.
They don't want to be in the relationship anymore.
They don't want to be monogamous anymore.
The idea of non-monogamy to them might just seem insane.
Who the fuck knows?
But you're born into that planet.
That's the atmosphere you're born into.
That's what you're breathing when you're first born.
And that can set you on a weird path.
And that's a very sad path that you can get on.
And so, hopefully, if you're lucky, you'll come across somebody who knocks you off that fucking path.
You know, I remember the guy who hooked me up with acid.
I remember sitting in the theater of my school, because I was a drama nerd, and I was sitting in the theater of my school next to this guy.
joe rogan
I love the way you said that, too.
duncan trussell
Next to this guy, Brad.
And I remember sitting, and we were talking, and he mentioned tripping on LSD. And I'm like, what?
He's like, oh yeah, I took acid over the weekend.
I'm like, what?
You can get acid?
joe rogan
The movie, the life of Duncan.
Somebody must animate this.
Somebody, please.
I know you're folks out there that animate shit.
You gotta animate this.
duncan trussell
That moment.
Took me to...
And this is really weird.
joe rogan
Tell me what the first trip was like.
duncan trussell
I'd love to.
The first trip was...
It was white blotter.
White blotter paper.
It was just white blotter.
Somehow, if you don't know this, LSD gets put on sheets which look like blotter paper.
And sometimes they have designs, sometimes they don't.
But the name...
It usually is a reference to the design on the sheet.
Purple Jesus, White Blotter, Lips.
There's a million different names for the different types of acid.
So this is just white.
Who knows what it was?
But it was really good.
And I can remember, I took it.
And you have to, you know, it takes 30 to 45 minutes, sometimes longer for it to kick in.
I still remember I was sitting in my friend's trailer, in a trailer park in North Carolina, sitting in an empty bathtub, like an empty jacuzzi tub that was in this trailer, and I'm sitting there, and they're watching Star Wars, and I'm sitting in this bathtub.
And all of a sudden, the greatest feeling just started going through my legs and up into my body.
And it was a fucking sword fight.
It was a lightsaber fight.
And I'm listening to that.
But all of a sudden now, the sound's echoey.
Like someone's turned an echo up on it.
So it's like...
It's kind of bouncing around.
It's beautiful and I feel so fucking good.
I started laughing.
It seemed so funny.
Then I went outside and lay in the grass.
I'm staring at the sky.
Everything's beautiful.
Trails.
You put your hand in front of your face and it's just this rainbow of hands drifting in front of your face.
Everything's breathing.
Then my friends come running out because they knew this was the first time I was tripping.
And they all start jumping over me.
They're like jumping over me as I'm laying.
And they're laughing and we're all fucking laughing and it's just perfect.
Then, I remember...
joe rogan
Somebody pulled their cock out.
duncan trussell
That's when they pulled.
That's when we all started fucking.
We fucked and fucked.
And then a dog came by and we grabbed the dog and started fucking the dog.
No.
No, it was beautiful.
joe rogan
Country in the spirit of acid.
duncan trussell
Yeah, there was no fucking happening.
There was a lot of laughing.
I remember going into my friend's shitty high school car and sitting and pulling the seat back and looking at the ceiling.
unidentified
Wow.
duncan trussell
And I'm looking at the ceiling and it's fucking...
Hieroglyphics or some kind of like ancient writing you know I don't even think I knew what Sanskrit was at the time but I'd probably be like oh I'm seeing Sanskrit some kind of runes or glyphs all over my friend's car that's just kind of breathing and warping and it's just beautiful so yeah that was the that was the first time and and once you've had that experience how do you go back to a world a normal kind of world if First time I ever did acid.
unidentified
I've told you this before.
I met Kurt Cobain.
How crazy was that?
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
Tell that story again.
unidentified
I think I died this night, by the way.
I have this new theory that...
brian redban
This is what made me think of a theory that every time you die, you don't know that you died, but then you left this world and everyone else in this other parallel world, they think you died.
unidentified
They went to the funeral.
brian redban
This is where I thought this from was...
The first time I did Acid, me and my girlfriend at the time, that was Marissa, we went to go see...
joe rogan
Holla, Melissa.
unidentified
Why?
We went to go see Nirvana, and she had Acid.
And I've never done Acid before.
She goes, let's do Acid and see Nirvana.
brian redban
So we took Acid, and the opening band was on, which is some Asian band that just screamed the whole time, and it was like, you know, it's kind of like...
unidentified
I don't know, annoying.
brian redban
So I was sitting next to the side of the stage and Kurt Cobain comes around the corner and just comes out.
unidentified
It was really dark so no one could see it.
And he's just standing right next to me.
I look over and I'm like, oh my fucking god, it's Kurt Cobain.
And I was like, hey, what's up?
And he goes, hey, what's up?
You want a Cheeto?
And he held out his bag, and I'm like, yeah.
And so I held on the Cheeto, and then suddenly he's just like, somebody goes, oh, Kurt!
brian redban
And then he just throws all the Cheetos out in the crowd, and then it returns backstage.
unidentified
I'm holding this Cheeto, and I'm like...
joe rogan
He threw the Cheetos in the crowd?
unidentified
Yeah, like he had a bag of Cheetos that he was eating from.
joe rogan
He just threw it at the crowd?
unidentified
Yeah, he just threw Cheetos everywhere.
I mean, this is like a mosh pit in Dayton, Ohio.
brian redban
You know, like, side of the stage, like a rock club, you know?
unidentified
Hair Arena, I think it was.
joe rogan
There's a fucking video of Dana White getting in a mosh pit.
Have you ever seen it?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, he went to a Rage Against the Machine concert.
The motherfucker got in a mosh pit.
He's got security guards looking out for him and shit.
He jumped in a mosh pit.
unidentified
So I took this Cheeto and I put it in my pocket.
I'm like, I'm going to save this Cheeto.
And then I started tripping really hard.
It was an amazing concert.
brian redban
On the way home, we're driving and we go by and I'm driving and this is a thunderstorm of rain.
unidentified
I'm still tripping.
joe rogan
And you're tripping on acid.
unidentified
And I'm tripping on acid.
joe rogan
Those are responsible citizens.
brian redban
And then, this is even better, and I swear to God, you could ask her, I'm not going to say who she is on here, but we started fucking while I was driving in the rainstorm on acid for my first time.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You fucking baby killer.
unidentified
And that's where I think I died the first time.
One of the first times I died.
joe rogan
It might be, man.
Yeah, you could have died.
Isn't that a theory that you said to me once?
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's the idea that when you die...
unidentified
I think, yeah, you're the one who said that before.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's a multiverse idea.
The idea is you're a fucking...
An eternal being.
You're an eternal being.
Your body is like a radio that tunes you in.
Tunes your specific personality in.
And the moment you die, that radio frequency pops into something else.
So there's no death.
It's not like you die and there's nothingness or emptiness.
And it's not like you die and you're born as a baby and get to start over again.
It's like something happens.
You're driving down the street and you're like, man, why is that guy in my...
And then all of a sudden you open your eyes and you're, you know...
joe rogan
Getting up, going to work.
duncan trussell
Going to work.
You're like, man, that was a weird dream.
And then you start that life again.
It goes on forever like that.
joe rogan
The horrible idea, especially horrible to bring it up to anybody who's had poor fortune in this life, is to somehow or another connect it with past lives.
Have you ever heard someone say that?
Like, oh, he must have been a real fuckhead in his past life.
And it's like, wow, are you sure?
I mean, are you sure?
Could it just not be a roll of the dice?
And maybe part of your karma is recognizing that.
duncan trussell
I think that, yeah, that's why I like the, you know, Buddha.
I like Buddha said, don't think about the afterlife so much.
I think even Christ said, I am the God of the living, not the God of the dead.
The idea being like...
joe rogan
I like how you did that with a voice.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I am the God of the living!
It's a good...
I think real spiritual masters always tend to try to bring people back into the present moment because it's like, you know what?
joe rogan
The present moment is everything.
duncan trussell
I know when shit goes wrong in my life, I know why it went wrong.
I don't have to go back to when I was a friar in the 1800s and fisted a fucking nun.
I know that if shit's going wrong right now, generally it's like, because I'm fucking up now.
And people can get lost.
People can start blaming their karma or where they're at right now on past lives, and it puts them in this place of stupid hopelessness, and they don't do the things they need to do right now to get to a better place.
joe rogan
Praise Jesus.
duncan trussell
Praise the Lord!
joe rogan
Say his name.
duncan trussell
So many fucking things.
joe rogan
Say his name.
duncan trussell
So many simple things you could do, man.
Here's what you have to do.
This is my new theory.
Identify the vampire in your life.
Find the vampire.
Identify the parasite.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't have to be that you have parasites in life.
It is possible that you could have gotten lucky and there's no parasites and you get off groovy.
duncan trussell
Sure.
No, I'm not saying everyone's got one.
joe rogan
But if you got one.
duncan trussell
If you're walking around with those fucking vampire blues, you've got the fucking heavy heart and you can't feel happy and you feel bad.
There may be an action that you need to take that you're afraid to take.
That's the vampire.
And you've got a fucking...
joe rogan
Not even a person.
duncan trussell
Oh no, I mean, it's a situation.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
Find the vampire in your life.
duncan trussell
Yeah, find the life-sucking situation that you're afraid to kill.
And the reason I say vampire is because vampires only go where they're invited.
And generally, the situation that you're in, you invited it in.
You invited this thing into your life, and now it's sucking your life energy and your blood and your happiness away.
A lot of times, you'll try to believe, you'll try to convince yourself that this thing is not a vampire.
But in your heart, you know you're a servant to a fucking bloodsucker.
You're a Renfeld.
This thing is like sucking your life essence away.
Sometimes it's doing it with a trade.
Quite often they'll be a bad trade.
You'll be, you know, whatever the situation you're in, you'll feel like you're in the situation, you know, it's worth it, it's kind of bad, but it's totally worth it.
This happens with jobs quite often, you know, where you're like, well, you know, but it's good enough.
That's the vampire.
You gotta take a fucking steak.
And drive it into its heart.
How do you kill a vampire?
Two ways.
Direct action.
You don't kill a vampire by, like, making up with a vampire.
You don't kill a vampire by, like, having a sit-down talk with a vampire.
You're not gonna be able to, like, you know, make friends with a vampire.
There's two ways to kill a vampire.
One, you fucking, you know, put a stake in its heart.
The other one is light.
Sunlight.
Truth!
Light!
It's the greatest metaphor of all time.
You shine the light of truth onto the situation, fearlessly analyze it, and then you'll destroy it.
Because if you really allow yourself to...
joe rogan
If you can act.
duncan trussell
You gotta act.
joe rogan
The real problem with people is not recognizing the enemy.
It's acting on that enemy.
That's the real problem.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
And that enemy being personal.
Your personal demons.
Your personal jihad.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
Your personal issue.
duncan trussell
You've got to fight the beast.
And you know what I mean?
joe rogan
And everybody's beast is different.
duncan trussell
Chapter 2 of the Bhagavad Gita.
Arjuna's dejection.
Arjuna is drawn between these two forces.
He does not want to fight.
He drops his bow and God says to him, rise to the fight.
Fight.
You're a warrior.
This is what you're here for.
Fight.
It's better to die.
It's better to die in a righteous battle than go skulking off into the fucking woods and be a beggar.
It's better to fucking do what you do when you're a warrior.
You gotta fucking do it, man.
It fucking sucks.
When you're drunk and you want to throw up and you try to not make yourself throw up, just throw up.
You'll feel better.
You'll feel better in the end.
When you're puking, it's gonna suck because you're helpless and you can't breathe.
go through it man fucking jab a fucking knife into the foot not literally of course but yeah you gotta act and you gotta make the big fucking decisions sometimes and it's scary if it wasn't scary it wouldn't be worth anything yeah for some people it's almost like they don't know how to start They know that there's action they need to take in their life, but they're paralyzed trying to think about it, trying to figure out how to start.
joe rogan
And they can never gather up the courage to get away.
That's why a lot of people stay in abusive relationships.
They don't have the courage to leave.
duncan trussell
Exactly.
Because it's scary and it seems like there's so many things that people will, like, ideas people will create that will keep you trapped in whatever prison you're in.
It's very similar to...
What you're talking about in the UFC, with these fucking fighters, this is a visual representation of what anyone can do in their life.
Not all of us are going to, obviously, be world-class fighters in a ring in front of the entire planet and fucking knock someone out.
But you have, in your life right now, if you haven't already done this, you have the chance to be heroic.
You have the ability right now to make a heroic act that could kill you.
That's the thing.
These actions, it's not always guaranteed that because you do the right thing, you're going to end up in a great place.
You might end up fucked.
You might end up temporarily homeless, or you might end up temporarily jobless.
If there wasn't risk associated with it, you would have already done it.
That's the point.
If there wasn't risk associated with it, it wouldn't be worth anything.
If Mount fucking...
You know, if the Himalayas were, you know, a little grass-covered hill in a park, nobody would take pictures of them at the top putting a flag into it.
The danger makes it heroic, you know?
So, sometimes you just have to fucking...
I sound like Tony Robbins.
Take the leap!
Kill the vampire in your life!
joe rogan
Kill the vampire in your life is a brilliant speech, dude.
You're dead right.
I stopped you because I'm like, not everybody has a bad person in your life, but I didn't know that that's what you mean.
You're absolutely dead right.
I always say that the energy vampires that you have in your life are really your number one enemy.
They keep you from enjoying good times.
Everybody knows that one person where you settle down and you're like, Finally I can fucking relax and you turn on the television and then someone for whatever fucking reason will decide that they have to talk to you now and they want to get angry at you now.
It could be a guy or a girl, whoever the fuck it is.
It's one person that wants to, they want to have power over you somehow or another and they want to stop you from doing what you want to do.
There are people that have issues in relationships because one of the people in the relationship has some sort of a transparent issue with the other person.
And what they try to do is they try to control that person from doing things that they want to do.
Anytime the guy wants to go play basketball or something like that.
They come up with a reason why now is the time I would really like you to take me shopping or now is the time.
It's almost like they want to see if they can drag you away from the thing that you like to do, thus proving that they're the most important thing in your life.
duncan trussell
Right.
And you know what, man?
That's fucking sad.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is.
It's instincts.
duncan trussell
It's instincts.
joe rogan
This is how a girl will behave if you don't keep the pimp hands strong.
And that's a fact.
That's a fact.
The only reason why girls get away with stuff like that is because guys let them get away with it.
Just like, you know, the real issue with guys being douchebags to girls, of course, is the physical violence issue.
It's not fair.
It's not fair if you're, you know, if you're fucking two chicks getting in a fight with each other, you know, two lesbians, and you're basically the same size, you know, hey, you know, I don't want you to fight, but...
I don't know why you're fighting, but hopefully you got a good reason.
But it's not a mugging.
It's not a man beating up a woman.
So physical fights are completely out of the question.
duncan trussell
Out of the question.
joe rogan
And then what else is left?
What else is left?
Trying to explain each other to each other?
Arguing with each other?
Trying to piece it all together?
Not understanding their side at all?
We certainly have to protect people from that kind of violence.
That's one of the ways that we know there's some sort of a weird disconnect between what we're capable of and the way we currently behave as a human race.
The fact that it's even possible that we have a real issue with men beating the fuck out of women.
That's a real issue.
Women who get in relationships and get beat up.
That's terrifying, man.
That's terrifying.
That's scary shit.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's scary.
joe rogan
There was a girl that I dated when I was in high school, and she was really crazy.
She had super strict Catholic parents, and she was really pretty.
She was just nuts, man.
We didn't see each other for years, and then one time I was at this...
It might have even been years.
It may have been months.
I might be exaggerating.
But I hadn't seen her in a long time.
When you're 17 years old, six months might as well be fucking years.
Things are accelerating.
You're graduating from high school.
You know what I mean?
And I met her and she was telling me that she had this new boyfriend that hit her and that she liked it.
It was the craziest conversation.
And I was like, whoa.
And first of all, I was thinking, thank God I never hit her.
Because what if I liked it too?
What if you date a girl and she would totally start fights and totally do shit to piss me off, but I never thought she wanted to get hit.
You can't hit a girl.
It's silly.
unidentified
Like hitting the face or hitting the vagina?
joe rogan
She likes to get smacked.
She likes to get smacked in the face.
She likes to get rocked.
Yeah, it's crazy, but she was telling me that she didn't understand it.
No, she was not rationalizing it.
duncan trussell
Oh, you're talking about...
joe rogan
No, she was being really honest with me.
She was like, I'm so confused.
duncan trussell
You're talking about S&M? She wasn't a dumb girl.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, no.
Talking about a dude basically just smacking her around and fucking her like really rough and beating her up.
Some girls actually like that.
There's like a weird thing in them that wants...
I mean, obviously, they don't want to get injured, but they want to get roughed up.
They want to just get hair pulling and smacked in the head.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
And this girl was like into getting smacked.
It was like really crazy to hear.
I was like, I don't know what to say.
I'm like, you know what I said to her?
I said, listen, you can only get hit so many times in the head before you get brain damage.
You really have to consider that.
duncan trussell
Sounds like that already happened.
joe rogan
I said, this guy's fucking you all the time, and every time he's fucking you, he's hitting you in the head.
I'm like, do you have headaches?
I started asking her things I asked fighters.
Like, do you get headaches?
How do you sleep at night?
Like I'm a brain doctor or some shit.
I was like, you can't let that dude hit you in the head.
But for whatever reason, it turned her on.
duncan trussell
Can you imagine having to tell someone, you shouldn't let that guy hit you in the head.
joe rogan
Well, no, man, because, you know, what's confusing is guys can be, like, super loving after they do it because they feel terrible, and then they're, like, really, really, really affectionate.
Yeah, they're really affectionate.
Some of them aren't even that, you know, but with a lot of people, they're the ones that, like, get drunk and blame it on getting drunk, and that's why they're abusing each other.
duncan trussell
It's a sad world out there and there's a lot of sad homes in America.
There's a lot of sad, sad...
It's just broken people.
joe rogan
It's broken people interacting with each other.
It's broken people interacting with each other.
All could be fixed with mushrooms.
With the Duncan Trussell Shamanic Institute of America.
We propose to correct all of these problems with plants.
duncan trussell
That'd be great.
joe rogan
And the wisdom of the indigenous people of the Amazon rainforest.
duncan trussell
For a combination of chanting and fleshlights, we will transform your...
joe rogan
Well, the fleshlight use is mandatory when you're meditating at my ashram because I don't want anybody horny.
I don't want, like, while you're in there and you're, you know, you're supposed to be doing your alms, you're thinking about getting your dick sucked.
duncan trussell
But you know what, man?
You know, like, the way, like, I read this great autobiography of Timothy Leary, and they were talking about, I can't remember the name of the famous house that he lived at, but where they were all tripping out and, like, constantly taking LSD. They would do this.
They were all swingers.
So there'd be, like, guys and girls there.
joe rogan
Guys banging guys.
They were, right?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Occasionally.
duncan trussell
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
I think they're awful.
duncan trussell
But I think Timothy Leary is pretty straight.
He was always dating models and shit.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why America hated him.
A bunch of haters.
duncan trussell
But what they would do is they would have this weird thing.
Because what they were trying to do is they were trying to dissolve the reality.
They were trying to dissolve...
All the fucking ego constructs, of which one of them is monogamy.
Monogamy is an ego construct where you want to be the only person who is fucking the person that you're with, and they want you to be the only person to be fucking them.
This is like a basic way that most people enter into relationships.
So what these guys would do is they would have married couples, and what they would do is randomly Two people would be picked, a man and a woman, to go into this bowling alley that they had, and they would stay there for like three days straight and just take acid the whole time.
And they would always end up fucking.
joe rogan
I bet there was a lot of babies where nobody knew who the father was.
duncan trussell
Oh, for sure.
That I'm sure that happened all the time.
joe rogan
Well, that was McKenna's idea, was that an orgiastic mushroom cultures that existed in his, you know, I really think that's kind of, a lot of it was his imagination of what could have been possible.
Because it doesn't seem like that you really explain exactly what these people were doing, you know, 10,000 years ago in Choctaw, Hyuk, and all these different places.
But he had this idea that they developed this sort of an orgiastic mushroom style of living.
And then people would get together and they would just come.
So they would raise each other's kids.
They would all be loving each other and all taking care of each other's kids.
And I'm like, wow, that's kind of trippy.
It makes me think.
Could you live in a world like that?
We all are just automatically possessive of our loved ones, our sexual partners, your wives and boyfriends and husbands.
duncan trussell
And it feels terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, yeah, it does.
But it also feels great when you have each other to count on and you have this really cool relationship and you know each other well.
duncan trussell
Oh, no, that's fantastic.
joe rogan
Right.
But the idea that someone like you're connected, like you're not even allowed to touch another body.
Like everyone else is like, get away, get away, get away!
unidentified
Get away, you're connected, you're connected to the You're connected to the one.
duncan trussell
Think how that feels, man.
joe rogan
Strange.
duncan trussell
The feeling that inspires that is not a loving feeling.
It's a fucking fear feeling.
joe rogan
No, it's because men and women have completely different wiring.
And for a lot of women, and not all of them, some women just want dick all around every corner.
Some women, and that's their prerogative, man.
If you're young and hot and you want dick around every corner, you should be able to get it.
Like, what is that bad?
What, it's only good when you fuck her?
unidentified
No, that's not bad.
joe rogan
People are goddamn crazy.
They really are.
Like, there's a fucking whore.
If she was fucking you, you'd be like, I got so lucky, dude.
We had one smile.
And she goes, you want to come up to my room?
I said yes.
You know, like, how come when you score, it's awesome, and when she scores with other dudes, she's a fucking whore?
duncan trussell
Well, I'll tell you why.
The reason that is, is because our descendants were fucking sexually oppressed psychopaths, and we still have that in us.
And I know there's a genetic...
joe rogan
It's a little of that, but it's also that we know that girls that are freaks like that, it's a rare thing.
It's a weird thing.
It's probably a weird combative thing.
duncan trussell
I think women are getting a really shitty position where they gotta feel bad if they fuck a few guys.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
And that's not fair, and I know some of it's genetic, but I know...
joe rogan
Well, every relationship gets stale.
Taking out the idea, the genetic idea why men want to reproduce with as many women as possible.
Even if you didn't have that instinctive nature, there's still the idea that being with one person would just get stale.
duncan trussell
Imagine this.
Somehow from your mind is removed all the negative or weird or strange connotations about sex.
Now sex is just a physical experience of oneness with another person.
So there's no – nothing from the zeitgeist has been put in your head.
Now imagine eating mushrooms and all of a sudden being in the experience of having sex with a group of people with zero sexual inhibitions, with zero guilt.
Just pure hedonistic pleasure as you sort of merge.
joe rogan
This I completely agree with in the terms of like a utopian society.
But the way our world runs, it's like my thoughts on it have always been, and my advice has always been, that when you find someone who you really enjoy hanging out with, hang out with them.
And whatever...
If you get to a point where you really trust them and you're really honest with each other and you're really enjoying each other, find out what bothers that person.
What is it?
Is there a genetic thing that you have maybe that I don't have?
What is it?
Yeah, I don't like me.
And if you can do that, if you can find someone you really sync up with and you actually enhance each other, Then the relationships are fucking beautiful.
The real problem is most people, they're not even into exploring their own consciousness.
They're not into exploring the origin of their own thoughts.
They're not really into self-examination.
They're not really into a lot of different things that lead to sometimes problematic conversations that you have.
Especially when they have a commodity and the commodity is that they're an attractive woman.
And you're in some sort of a weird situation where there's a master over you.
duncan trussell
It also depends on the way you get into the thing.
If you look at the entry mechanism into these things, quite often it's purely based on physicality.
joe rogan
Yes.
The problem is that the drug of sex, it's really exciting and thrilling to get to the I love you part as quick as possible so the sex can get really intense.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that is one of the things that happens when you really love someone.
You can fuck someone that you think is hot and it's like a sexual thing and it's a real big turn on.
But it's not like fucking someone that's hot that you love.
It's just not the same.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, and that first awesome time when you're just getting into a relationship where the person says, I think I'm falling in love with you and you've been feeling that.
unidentified
Yeah, oh my god.
duncan trussell
Holy shit, man!
unidentified
Fireworks!
duncan trussell
It's the greatest!
joe rogan
So for some people, they'll look for an artificial that.
If you get lucky and you actually do have that, wow, that's so lucky.
The stars have to align.
So many people get in situations where the person they're with is just a little off, man.
Just whatever it is.
Just a little off.
duncan trussell
Have you ever seen that awful, what I consider to be the most grotesque experiment of all time where the fucking, they took a monkey, a little baby monkey, and they gave him a wire.
joe rogan
Oh, I did.
Yeah, I don't even want to talk about this.
It disturbs me so much.
They covered a fucking, like a little box with fur.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and the fucking thing's clinging to it.
See, now here's the thing.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
duncan trussell
Some people, but a lot of people are in that relationship where they're clinging to something that's not even real and they've tricked themselves into thinking that...
joe rogan
And the real issue is the root, the other person.
The real issue is the people that are raising these people.
The real issue is how everyone starts out neutral with whatever blend of personality.
I bet almost every kid, unless they have some serious neurological difficulties, almost every kid could be rendered a positive human being by the right people.
They're surrounded by the right people.
What we're doing is by putting the most important thing for the resources of the human race, the youthful people developing into contributing members of society who can Actually add to the culture, add to the experience, add to the process.
And we're putting the development of our most valuable resource in the hands of everyone and anyone, including retards, morons, assholes, douchebags, fuckheads, everyone in between.
There's a bunch of crazy motherfuckers shitting out kids every day, and you can't say anything about it because then you're Hitler.
And then, you know, are you a fan of eugenics?
Do you know how that didn't work in the past?
Guess what else isn't working?
This!
duncan trussell
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
This overpopulation by monkeys isn't working either.
Well, that's why you got to be a bit of a – I mean, if you start waking up to – Yeah, we got to wake all these people up and figure out a way to reevaluate – I mean, not reevaluate, but reset people's minds, to reset people's – whatever it is that your operating system is – wherever it's failing.
duncan trussell
You know sometimes I'll get these really fucking flattering tweets from people who listen to this.
I'm like, man, I wish I had friends like you guys in my hometown to talk to.
And that's really a super sweet thing to say.
But I always think to myself, you know what?
Why don't you go make some?
Why don't you fucking turn into a...
I know it's hard.
It's hard, man.
joe rogan
Especially once you get out of high school.
If you're in a small town.
duncan trussell
I don't mean go make some in the sense of like...
I don't mean...
No, I mean...
joe rogan
It's a wicker.
unidentified
Like baskets?
duncan trussell
No, not...
joe rogan
A wicker!
duncan trussell
Why don't you go weave a friend?
No, I'm saying what you do is...
You gotta be the force that maybe throws somebody off their track.
You might have to be the thing that does that.
The people I owe the most to are the people who manage to fucking knock me off my track.
Manage to fucking bring to me music I'd never heard before.
Show to me books I'd never heard before.
And then all of a sudden, that steers you out of the fucking public sector.
joe rogan
Well, that's what you're doing.
That's what you're doing right now.
What you're doing right now is doing that exact same thing to all these hundreds of thousands of people that are listening to this.
It's the exact same thing.
You're doing what you're saying has always been greatest in your life.
You're introducing ideas into people's heads that they probably never would have come up with.
Or might not have come up with today.
Who knows?
Given the right amount of experience and time, anybody could probably...
That's the idea that thoughts aren't your own.
You're just tuning into them like some sort of a...
duncan trussell
That's it.
That's it.
Well, that's the idea.
joe rogan
But is that it?
Because I've struggled with that.
Because I like it.
It sounds beautiful.
It sounds kind of spooky and crazy.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it also makes me think, I wonder if it's just that the mechanism for retrieving really good, interesting, creative ideas, that the mechanism for thinking, you have to have all your resources, all your facilitating resources, so the ego has to be fucking completely quiet.
And if the ego is not completely quiet, the ego is like, I'm going to get some fucking new clothes so I can look slick.
And I'm thinking about getting a nose ring.
Nose rings are pretty hot.
Chicks are really into that.
I wonder if my hair would be cooler if it was blonde.
And you start really tweaking.
Your ego starts wigging out on your...
Maybe I should get myself a new Cadillac.
Chicks dig that shit.
And you start, you know, fucking, I'm tired of being the VP at work.
I'm going to step it up this year.
And I'm going to demand the fucking, you know, you start getting crazy, ego-y.
And it like, it cuts out all the noise.
I mean, it makes, it creates too much noise.
And the creative mind, the zen mind, the humble mind, there's not enough resources.
So this is a, you know, you use this tool.
And this tool is to say, oh, I'll just pretend they're not even my thoughts.
I'm just tuning them into the universe.
I'm so humble.
So what you're doing is, with this philosophy, like putting it through this filter, you've just shut your fucking nasty, stupid ego up.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
By saying that you're just a vessel and you're just tuning these things in.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, and you know what, man?
joe rogan
And I'm not arguing now.
I'm saying it's like either or, right?
duncan trussell
Here's how I look at it.
joe rogan
Or it's not either or.
duncan trussell
Whatever fucking vehicle you need to use to get to the point where the thing's turned off, use it.
If you need to conceptualize it by thinking you're connecting with some kind of super intelligent consciousness that just wants the planet to be happier because it doesn't want the planet to die and it's giving its own voice to as many people as allow it to.
joe rogan
Whatever that, that's a vehicle.
What that is, any ideology like that, it's a vehicle for you managing happiness.
duncan trussell
It's a vehicle, you know?
And so when you get in a fucking bus to get to point A, B, or C, it's not the bus, it's the point that you're getting to.
Use the vehicle.
Use whatever mechanism you have to use to dissolve your ego to the point where you're not going to turn into a fucking dick.
Because the moment you start claiming ownership over whatever it is, man, I think the most obvious version of it is super attractive people who act like they deserve it, who act like they've done something for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
duncan trussell
Think how ugly that makes it.
joe rogan
It's gross.
duncan trussell
It makes them ugly.
joe rogan
It's so sad when really pretty girls say nasty shit.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You just want to say, like, God, do you know how fucking lucky you are to be as pretty as you are?
You should be, like, so happy all the time.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
To shit on what another girl looks like?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
duncan trussell
And it makes them ugly.
joe rogan
It's so unfortunate because of all the shit you could talk about, like, when a really hot chick shits on a girl for not being so pretty, like, wow, that's like, damn.
duncan trussell
But, dude, what is more deadly and attractive than a super hot girl...
Who doesn't care that she's super hot.
Who's managed to overcome all the fucking years of being worshipped by people.
And it's just normal and cool.
That's a heart crusher.
joe rogan
The problem with that girl is she's not going to be one of nine wives in the cult.
She's too fucking smart.
Thinking for herself and shit.
My post-apocalyptic cult, she'll have no place.
duncan trussell
Well, you know what?
You can make her the high priestess of the cult, man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I like the way that goes.
duncan trussell
The idea is you just got to fucking...
The idea is don't get caught up in ownership.
joe rogan
Well, the idea is continue to advance and always analyze.
unidentified
Observe.
joe rogan
Look at all the people around you.
Look at all the different influences, all the different things you can draw from online.
Take what is useful.
Analyze yourself.
It's a process.
We're all a part of this process.
You and I have both seen each other evolve.
We just don't really realize it as much because we've evolved together.
But if we went back in time 10 years ago to when we met, when did we meet?
duncan trussell
It was about 10 years ago.
A little over that, I think, really.
joe rogan
Yeah, it might have been like 2001 or something.
Wasn't like even before that, dude.
I knew you before 9-11.
duncan trussell
Joe, I bet you don't remember this.
I remember the first time I met you.
unidentified
Really?
duncan trussell
Yes.
This was when I was Corey's assistant at the comedy store.
And I was sitting next to you.
And you were...
I think you had...
This was right around when you just started smoking weed.
You were kind of a marijuana...
Starting to become a marijuana advocate at this time.
But it wasn't...
This was way...
joe rogan
It's called my annoying face.
duncan trussell
No, but it was really funny.
Yeah, it was an annoying thing.
It was really funny because I was sitting...
joe rogan
Come on, man!
duncan trussell
No, I was sitting next to you.
And at the time, I went through this being a marijuana advocate phase a few years before.
But I remember sitting next to you and we were talking about weed.
And as a joke, because I didn't know you that way.
You didn't know me.
And as a dumb joke, I was like, man, weed should be illegal.
And you shot me this fucking look, man.
You were like...
unidentified
You should make an accent.
duncan trussell
Because you thought...
joe rogan
He put some fake dreadlocks.
He put a mop on his head.
He was all Gary Oldman.
Hey, man.
duncan trussell
I said it should be illegal.
And you seemed so pissed.
And then Corey was like, shut up, shut up.
Don't say anything.
Because we didn't know each other.
And I could have seemed like a real asshole at the time.
I don't remember that at all.
I know.
joe rogan
You might just be a little paranoid.
duncan trussell
I think you tuned me out.
joe rogan
I probably went, ugh.
I don't think I got angry with you.
unidentified
You didn't get angry.
duncan trussell
I probably just seemed like an annoying idiot.
joe rogan
You're probably like, how dare you?
duncan trussell
I was making a joke out of the blue.
joe rogan
One of two things.
Either you were trying to make a joke, which would be not funny, and I would be bored with it.
duncan trussell
That's what happened.
joe rogan
Or I'd be like, what an asshole.
duncan trussell
I think it was the former.
But then after that, we started talking on the phone, and we'd start having conversations like this on the phone.
joe rogan
Duncan and I used to have these fucking 45-minute phone calls.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'd call him up.
Because Duncan was the dude who, like, you'd say, hey, I can work Tuesday through Thursday this week.
He'd go, okay, cool.
And then they'd get together and create a schedule.
You'd call Duncan, would get your avail.
So me and Duncan just started talking on the phone.
I don't know what started it off.
We'd have these crazy-ass 45-minute fucking, while he's working at the comedy store.
And every now and then I'd be like, oh, hold on a second, dude, sorry.
He'd put me on hold.
I'd have to answer some other phone call.
unidentified
I'd see you both laying in your bed with your little Swatch phones.
joe rogan
Both baked as fuck.
Doug was high on the job every goddamn day he worked there.
It was a natural progression for me to stay high on the job doing Fear Factor as well.
Everybody was high when they were working.
That's how you got through work.
When you started working there, I remember you went through this little struggle where you wanted to be a comic, but they didn't take you seriously while you're still working there.
duncan trussell
That's right.
I had to go.
You had to kill the vampire, man.
You had to kill the fucking vampire there.
Anytime you fucking kill that vampire, if you survive, flowers will rain from heaven on your life.
joe rogan
Flowers will bloom, man.
You can get better.
Everybody can get better.
We can all advance and move forward.
But you gotta be positive as fuck.
Don't be convinced that you have anything figured out, whether it's the secret or Buddhism or whatever the fuck it is.
Don't be convinced, man.
Don't be convinced.
This world might be entirely made up of imagination.
It might be.
It might be entirely made up of imagination.
The more time moves forward, the more I wonder if there's a theory, and I believe that you were the first one to introduce me to this theory as well, the theory that your life, the world that you live in, is really something that your own mind has created.
And as you get older and your body starts to slowly deteriorate and progress towards death in your own particular universe, that's when the shit hits the fan and it all goes down.
And you've managed to manufacture this idea inside your mind that the life you experience is an actual real life, when what it really is, is just a series of events that have been tied together to prepare you for the next stage of existence.
duncan trussell
That's right, man.
And the more that you can let go of your attachments to this particular life and become the thing that is throughout the evolutionary cycle, then the less traumatic death will be.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if that really does get proved someday?
And everybody will be like, what?
Your imagination controls your fucking life?
God damn it!
I could have made a fucking awesome life!
unidentified
I just fucked up and rewired everything all wrong!
joe rogan
I made this shitty life!
Could you imagine if that was really the case?
duncan trussell
You believed what the fucking...
joe rogan
Fuck!
It would be such evil information that people wouldn't even want it to get out.
That would be a religious issue.
People might withhold that.
They found out that we are, in reality, architects of our own world, our own universe.
And that each one of us is actually that thing.
duncan trussell
Well, here's a weird idea.
Imagine there's a hell, and the only way that you could keep the people in hell was making sure that they didn't realize that at any second they could turn that hell into heaven.
You had to keep them oblivious to this idea.
You would realize that the thing you're talking about, the things that obscure the light, so to speak, of making people's lives great, it's like TV. It's the media.
Every time you turn the fucking TV on, it's showing you death and destruction.
When you turn on the radio, they're talking about wars and bombs.
Everywhere you go, look, it's darkness, darkness and darkness.
It's like people are really trying to keep our consciousness focused on the dark instead of on the light.
But if there was a global movement to try to get people's minds to shift from the obsession with death and all the forms of negativity that so many people are focused on and to turn their minds towards the beauty And towards friendship and towards healthy sex and towards embracing each other, then really this entire planet could transform into some version of heaven, I think.
A form of paradise.
joe rogan
Ultimately and eventually, but right now?
How long is it going to take?
duncan trussell
I think it's going to take...
joe rogan
Something's going to have to happen, right?
duncan trussell
Well, it's some form of invention.
We either get an invention, we get an alien, or we get destruction.
To quote Morrissey, if it's not love, it's the bomb that'll bring us together.
joe rogan
That would be awesome if you didn't quote Morrissey.
duncan trussell
I'm sorry, but it's a great fucking quote!
He said it, man!
joe rogan
What is his real name?
What is his real name?
Is that his real name?
duncan trussell
Don't ask me that.
Every goth on the planet is going to hate me forever if I can't answer that right away.
I don't know.
I think his name is Morrissey.
joe rogan
It would be a really cool quote if he just said his name, not just Morrissey.
You know, maybe it's Ronald, Ronald Morrissey?
duncan trussell
Ronald Morrissey?
I hope so!
Stacey.
What, Gary Morrissey?
joe rogan
You know, it's a more legitimate quote, though.
duncan trussell
It's so funny how Morrissey would never have gotten...
joe rogan
It's like one name, like a rapper.
duncan trussell
He never would have gotten famous if on his albums it said Gary.
Dude, have you heard Gary?
Let's go.
joe rogan
Gary's kind of a mystic.
I have a mystic.
His name is Gary.
No, your mystic has been named Abadan Shalfalakan.
duncan trussell
Oh, he's got to be that.
unidentified
It's Steven, actually.
duncan trussell
Yogi Ramacharaka.
joe rogan
Yogi Ramacharaka.
unidentified
It's Steven, by the way.
Steven.
joe rogan
I knew someone who...
Is it really?
I knew someone who got really into yoga and changed her name.
She insisted you call her by her new name.
duncan trussell
I think there's a usefulness...
joe rogan
A yoga name.
duncan trussell
I understand that.
I think there's a usefulness to that.
I think that there's a...
joe rogan
Reinvention.
duncan trussell
That's a good tool, man.
And I understand why people do that.
Because if you think about your name and where it came from...
Like, we're not getting named in the way people used to get named.
People used to get named on...
You know, based on their actions and stuff.
The real name would come later.
We get named on what some fucking...
22-year-old dope decided that the little pink wriggling thing that you were should be called, you know?
unidentified
I want to name after my great-grandfather.
joe rogan
Is that why you were named after Duncan?
duncan trussell
I don't know where...
unidentified
You were named after Donuts.
duncan trussell
I don't know where the name came from, but I do understand this idea of, like, rebirth, or the idea of, like, once you get knocked off track, why not go really deep and fucking just rename yourself altogether?
joe rogan
That is the best cult speech I've ever heard in my life.
That's the way to get people to really drink that Kool-Aid.
Just jump in.
Balls first.
Come on, man.
duncan trussell
Why not?
Go for it.
joe rogan
Just get in there, son.
duncan trussell
Well, take the big jump.
joe rogan
Change your name into a crazy new name.
Your name's Duncan, bitch.
unidentified
If I was Joey Diaz, you've been Duncan since you were a fucking baby!
joe rogan
Now all of a sudden you want to change governments?
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, look at fucking Cat Stevens.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not a good example.
unidentified
Crazy asshole.
joe rogan
Supporting the fucking murder of Salman Rushdie.
Get out of here, man.
duncan trussell
Or Prince.
joe rogan
You're an artist.
duncan trussell
Didn't work for Prince.
joe rogan
Prince did it for recording rights reasons.
duncan trussell
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had an issue with them owning his name.
duncan trussell
I don't think it always works, but I think sometimes I do.
I can understand the usefulness of it as a tool.
I can understand it as a way to create the differentiation between the person that you were in your earlier phases and who you've become.
I don't think it's always good.
I think if people allow me to name them, I will name them beautiful names that they'll be quite pleased with.
joe rogan
How crazy is it that Prince changed his name to a fucking symbol?
What an amazing move that was.
Really an amazing move.
duncan trussell
Amazing move.
joe rogan
I mean, that's how you get out of a legal contract.
You're not even a name anymore.
You're just some fucking squiggly crazy thing.
You know, I mean, the language of contracts is so ridiculous in the first place.
The idea that there's anything you could ever sign away where that person owned you and your likeness.
How the fuck can you sell that?
You don't own that anymore?
You can't use your own likeness?
Now you have to use this crazy symbol?
duncan trussell
Like, really?
Fucking signature?
Just, like, the signing shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, like, you give up that name.
You give up the name Prince or Duncan Trussell, you know?
Especially if it was, like, a Larry the Cable Guy thing where it was, like, a name you made up.
That's a property.
An intellectual property.
duncan trussell
My first name is Charles.
My name is Charles.
Jesus Christ, dude.
joe rogan
You just fucked up, man.
duncan trussell
I don't care.
joe rogan
Charles Duncan Trussell is now the latest name on Twitter.
unidentified
Charles.
joe rogan
Right now.
unidentified
Shh, shh, shh.
duncan trussell
What's wrong with that?
joe rogan
The problem is that guy's going to confuse everybody.
He's going to have a picture of you that looks exactly like your Twitter picture.
And when you change it, he's just going to copy it and paste it.
Make his own Twitter picture.
Don't do this.
duncan trussell
This always comes with some mystery hacker.
joe rogan
You're instructing people right now.
Every time you have an issue, he's going to know a little bit more of how to fix your issue.
And he's going to give you some awesome advice.
And you're going to start really getting freaked out as to how this fake Duncan Trussell really knows how to manage the real Duncan Trussell's life.
And then you're eventually just going to We live under the assumption that this fake Twitter account, Charles Duncan Trussell, is actually the universe giving you advice through Twitter.
duncan trussell
Can't wait.
unidentified
Charles.
duncan trussell
I can't wait to meet my true self.
joe rogan
You're not going to get to meet him.
You're going to get to communicate with him online.
But Charles Duncan Trussell will be giving you information.
duncan trussell
So what's about to happen?
So Joe, are you about to start a Twitter account?
joe rogan
No, I'm not doing shit.
The universe is going to do this for us.
duncan trussell
I love it.
joe rogan
Charles Duncan Trussell.
unidentified
And now you have three names.
joe rogan
So what you have to do is now, you know, you have various untold issues in your life.
I'm sure we all do.
Get online and tweet them.
And then say, Charles Duncan Trussell, what should I do now?
And it's like calling him.
unidentified
It's like Candyman, Candyman, Candyman.
joe rogan
And he'll come with awesome advice.
duncan trussell
Names are so stupid.
Charles.
I picked Duncan when I was a kid.
joe rogan
My name's Joe.
It's like about as boring as it gets.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I started off as a Charles, and then my parents, I think, started just calling me Dunk.
And then I decided I wanted to be called Duncan instead of Charles.
And so then that's when I became Duncan.
joe rogan
Maybe it's because you knew that one day you would work with Fleischer.
unidentified
So it wasn't even your head.
So it's not even your middle name?
duncan trussell
It's my middle name.
unidentified
Well, they just added it later?
duncan trussell
No.
Sometimes, for some reason, in the West, when we name people, we'll give them three names.
It won't just be a first and a last.
It'll be like...
joe rogan
Joseph James Rogan.
duncan trussell
Joseph James Rogan.
unidentified
So you get these extra names for some reason.
duncan trussell
The whole thing's just idiotic.
joe rogan
Brian Howell, right?
unidentified
Brian Allen.
duncan trussell
Brian Allen.
B-A-R. So yeah, you gotta fucking pick this name.
You can choose your middle name or your first name.
Even the fact that there is a first name.
And some people, they're so narcissistic, they just name their kids after themselves.
And that's where you run into seconds and thirds?
joe rogan
George Foreman.
George Foreman named all his kids George.
duncan trussell
Echoes.
So now you're making echoes.
Little fucking genetic echoes named after you.
It's just a terrible thing to put into someone's mind.
joe rogan
Yeah, my whole family is completely unoriginal.
I was Joe.
My father's name was Joe.
My grandfather's name was Joe.
My grandmother's name was Josephine.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, completely unoriginal.
duncan trussell
Just, yeah.
Yeah, it's a very odd thing.
joe rogan
Well, it was a fact.
I really requested a lot of Joe.
That's what I wanted.
So I just, in my life, in my lineage, you know, when I was creating myself and my imagination.
duncan trussell
Oh, I see, yeah.
joe rogan
I decided I wanted to really see what happens if you overdose on Joe.
duncan trussell
I want a ton of Joes back there.
joe rogan
Come out of the gate, gun swinging.
duncan trussell
Well, who knows?
joe rogan
Well, it's unoriginal names, the fucks.
Everybody's Joe.
Come on.
Everybody?
Really?
Stop it.
unidentified
Everyone's Brian.
joe rogan
You're Brian Allen?
Can you imagine if you became a stand-up and you called yourself Brian Allen?
B.A. And you'd go to clubs and everybody would be like, what the fuck, man?
I thought it was that black guy that interviews comedians.
They'd all be coming to see you.
duncan trussell
If you go on to Wolfram...
Alpha?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
You can put your name in and see how many people right now are existing with your name.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's creepy.
duncan trussell
If you really want to feel insignificant.
joe rogan
Well, I've talked to one on the phone, Joe Rogan at JoeRogan.com.
Seemed like a nice guy, ex-military guy, but he wanted a lot of money for the site.
He sought dollar bills.
And I'm like, alright.
He does not look like ex-military.
He's got his own website running there and he's been doing it for a while.
Yeah, he's an ex-military guy.
unidentified
He doesn't look like ex-military.
He looks more like, I don't know, a scientist?
joe rogan
Well, when they get older, they look like older men.
unidentified
That's weird.
joe rogan
Brian thinks he should have a flat top and a fucking knife in his teeth.
unidentified
He looks like the opposite, though.
joe rogan
He doesn't seem like a soldier.
So, Duncan, we leave in the morning.
duncan trussell
I know, we gotta wake up fucking early.
joe rogan
I'm gonna do the Rosie O'Donnell show.
unidentified
That's so romantic.
joe rogan
I'm excited.
I like Rosie O'Donnell.
I'm a Rosie O'Donnell fan.
duncan trussell
Hey, can I say one thing real quick?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Because something fucking cool happened and I want to announce it.
I did this South by South...
I got invited to go to South by Southwest.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
And they offered me this shitty deal.
I won't go into it here, but if you want to see the deal, look up.
Hitler gets invited to South by Southwest.
unidentified
It's so great.
duncan trussell
Because I was just complaining because they don't fly the comics out and it's just generally a bum deal.
And I'm just saying this because pretty much right after I... From that video, I got invited to this awesome festival that's happening in Austin called the Moon Tower Comedy Festival.
And that's happening in April, and they just are doing the press releases today, and I just think it's so fucking cool that they're showing that festivals can pay performers, pay airfare, and put them up, which isn't that insane an idea.
It's just normal, but it's beautiful.
joe rogan
I don't understand how anybody ever got away with anybody working for free when you're making money.
I don't get...
Unless South by Southwest is some amazing charity that I don't understand.
duncan trussell
They're not.
It's not a charity, but what...
unidentified
It's not?
joe rogan
Are you sure?
duncan trussell
Uh, yeah, I'm real sure.
joe rogan
Should we know that?
duncan trussell
Should we Google that?
unidentified
There's probably all these poor puppies that are crying somewhere.
joe rogan
We should Google that just to be sure.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I have a feeling they would have said it by now based on the awesome videos I've been making.
Yeah, let's look up if South by South.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can't just assume like that, right?
duncan trussell
Listen, I'm getting my apology letter.
joe rogan
South by South.
unidentified
You better start typing that shit.
joe rogan
$10,000 for charity.
duncan trussell
Wow, that's nice.
Let's see.
Charity.
Let's see.
joe rogan
South by Southwest.
It seems like they do some stuff for charity.
You can impact charity without being rich.
duncan trussell
I'm sure that they do.
I'm sure South by Southwest does charity, but when you ask artists to perform for free at your festival that's sponsored by 16 million different corporations, it's a bit of a charity.
joe rogan
The strongest memory of South by Southwest 2010 was a rooftop party when the South by Southwest partygoers spontaneously raised $300 towards the purchase of a wheelchair for the nephew of one attendee.
The young man was paralyzed temporarily and the family could not afford a wheelchair.
That's beautiful.
duncan trussell
I think that's very nice.
unidentified
That's nice and all, but they have so many sponsors.
joe rogan
How many people are paying to go see South by Southwest?
Is it expensive?
duncan trussell
Go to their website.
I think the cheapest pass is around $100, but it might be more than that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So they don't get everybody to work for free, right?
They must pay some people.
duncan trussell
No, I think some of the bigger names get paid, but mostly after I did these videos, mostly what I heard from people is that the idea, here's the concept, to play South by Southwest advocate, the idea behind it is Hey man, it's just we're all having fun out here.
It's a party.
It's a chance to hang out with a bunch of other comics and have a good time.
We don't invite a lot of comics out, so it's an honor to get invited out, and you're going to get a chance to perform.
We'll put you up in someone's guest bedroom, but we can't pay you, and we can't pay for your airfare, and if you want to stay in a hotel, you're going to have to pay for your own hotel.
Now, I think that that, coming from a festival that really was a charity, like the Make-A-Wish Foundation, or something that was solely raising money for charity, or even a startup festival.
What about just a startup festival that seems really cool and isn't making any money?
All that totally makes sense to me.
It'd be really cool.
But I think when it's coming from a festival the size of South by Southwest, which is a I read that 30,000 people come through there a year and they're asking performers to come out for free and to pay for their own ticket.
I think there's something in that that's pretty fucked up.
brian redban
Dear Southwest Airlines, if you want me to come, I'll totally do it and I'll pay for everything.
unidentified
Thanks.
joe rogan
It's not Southwest Airlines, knucklehead.
No, we found out.
unidentified
She was right.
Veronica Ricci was right.
It is sponsored by Southwest Airlines.
It's sponsored by a fucking airline, man, and they don't even fly the comics out.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
So it really is.
I thought you were joking.
duncan trussell
He's not joking.
unidentified
She told us that at dinner, and we both laughed at her.
I was like, oh, you're so silly.
joe rogan
Well, I thought you were right.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
I thought you knew.
unidentified
No, I didn't know.
joe rogan
God damn it, Brian.
You spread disinformation across the world.
Now you've confused the masses.
unidentified
You didn't know either, though, right?
joe rogan
I did not know.
No, I don't know anything about...
I think it must be an awesome hang.
I did one thing once.
One festival I did, Summerfest in Milwaukee.
It was fucking great, man.
I loved it.
But I felt weird because I'm on stage and I'm just doing my regular act and there's people with babies or holding babies in the crowd.
I'm like, this is just fucked up.
I like doing stand-up in a place where people come to see stand-up.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
That's it.
duncan trussell
But no, I think festivals...
I've done festivals.
joe rogan
Sometimes they're fun.
duncan trussell
I did the Vancouver Comedy Festival.
joe rogan
Comedy festivals are different.
unidentified
They're fun.
joe rogan
I'm saying performing at a music festival.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, that's a little...
joe rogan
Music festivals are way more rowdy.
It's way more likely that the people did not come to see that.
Right.
There's a big difference, man.
Comedy festivals are amazing.
Montreal is...
duncan trussell
So fun.
joe rogan
I did Montreal several years.
I think I did it six years.
It was a fucking...
duncan trussell
Insane blast.
unidentified
That place is great.
duncan trussell
Super fun.
joe rogan
It's a whole town, you know, Montreal, that literally has been privy to these festivals coming in every year.
So they have this really high palette for comedy.
It's a fucking great place to do comedy.
We were supposed to go back in March, but unfortunately, the UFC had to move its March date.
They had to move the Montreal date because no champions were available, and they were going to put together a big card for up there, so they postponed it.
I was like, damn!
I was really looking forward to going back to Montreal.
duncan trussell
Yeah, well, you know what?
Montreal, I don't care about, like, I don't want to come across, like, I'm like, you gotta fucking, you gotta pay up if you want me to, it's not that at all, it's like.
joe rogan
Oh, no, it's like, it's reasonable.
duncan trussell
Just acknowledge something, you know?
joe rogan
Montreal pays people.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get paid.
duncan trussell
Vancouver pays people.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fly you up there.
duncan trussell
The Moon Tower Festival pays people.
Sasquatch pays people.
joe rogan
And people have argued, like Stanhope got really mad at the Montreal people and started his own thing just for spite.
They called it just for laughs.
So he would do it in town.
duncan trussell
Performed at it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There you go.
But if you look at what they're doing, even if you think that they should be paying more, like Stanhope does, it's fucking infinitely better than nothing.
duncan trussell
Nothing!
joe rogan
Nothing's ridiculous.
Nothing, no hotel room, no airfare.
What?
duncan trussell
Well, no, they said no hotel room, but they say you can stay in someone's guest bedroom.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
Imagine you're staying over someone you don't even know.
duncan trussell
And also, the other thing that the guy said to me during these emails, and the guy who books it is a super nice guy.
I started feeling guilty because he's a really nice guy, a very friendly guy, but he couldn't acknowledge the one point that I was making, which is that if you're charging tickets, For people to come see performers, you have to pay the performers something.
It's just basic logic.
That's all.
Maybe you don't have enough to pay for everything.
Maybe the performers, you can only get them in a hotel and get them out there.
Because if you're making them pay for everything, then they're subsidizing your festival.
unidentified
I would go, though, just to be fun.
brian redban
In my opinion, if you're looking at CES, the Consumer Electronics Show, or any of these huge things, people are usually going because it's what they love and it's a collection.
unidentified
And to me, I would go just because it would be an awesome party.
It would be awesome doing it.
duncan trussell
But here's the thing, man.
Here's the problem with that in my mind.
The thing that I can't get past is that the reason it's fun and the reason people are going is because of the great fucking performers that are there.
joe rogan
Yeah, unquestionably.
That was the main argument about the comedy store.
Remember?
The main argument about the comedy store was they were making it out that it was an honor to perform at this star.
unidentified
Yes, they do that every day.
joe rogan
You guys are crazy, because this is just a box where you have a microphone, and you turn it on.
What you're selling here is art, and the artists are what create the art.
You're selling art.
You're selling stand-up comedy.
You're not selling a spot.
And yeah, it is a popular spot.
It's a popular spot because of the fucking artists that perform there, period.
Period.
duncan trussell
That's it.
And that's with big festivals, the same truth.
It's the exact same truth.
And festivals who are making a shitload of money have this awesome opportunity to...
joe rogan
Make things fair.
duncan trussell
Make things fair.
That's all you got to do is make it fair.
brian redban
These concerts like South by Southwest, isn't this where people go to go, hey, we're looking for people for the next year's sitcoms and stuff like that?
duncan trussell
But with Vancouver, with Montreal...
You could say that for any festival.
brian redban
It is though, right?
duncan trussell
Not for comedy.
joe rogan
There's things that get set up, man.
They get set up and then they become law.
They become like, this is just how it's done.
And there's a lot of them that don't make any fucking sense.
And this is one of them.
The idea that you would perform at something where people profit You know, they make a profit.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and just pay a little bit.
That's the thing with, I mean, this guy, the guy through my emails, this guy Charlie, he seemed really passionate about comedy.
He seemed like a really cool guy.
It's just, if he would just, you know, if they would just make one small step in the direction, being like, you know what, we thought about it.
We should pay airfare for the performers to come out.
unidentified
That is silly.
It's something that's sponsored by Southwest.
That should be a no-brainer.
Or have the airfare.
duncan trussell
Just, Something.
unidentified
Or discount.
joe rogan
Well, it just drives so much fucking business to the town, too.
I mean, I'm looking at an article about nine ways to profit from South by Southwest, even if you weren't there.
And they're talking about figuring out how to profit from this gathering of people.
Isn't that amazing?
That's like, when you look at human beings as some sort of a life form, and you look at just what this article says, nine ways to profit from South by Southwest, even if you weren't there.
The idea that you could be extracting resources from some spot you're not in.
No, we're near there!
duncan trussell
It's very weird.
joe rogan
You don't even go there and you're just pulling out a way to profit.
duncan trussell
Plug your fangs in!
joe rogan
Wait, what is that?
What are you doing?
You're profiting.
You're pulling money out somehow or another from some place.
I mean, I'm not saying you're doing it illegally.
I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong.
But the idea that you can do that.
The idea that you're just...
I'm signing checks and sending things out and I'm extracting money from a situation.
There's a lot of people in that one spot.
We need to get in that one spot and sell them things.
duncan trussell
It's very fucking strange.
joe rogan
It's weird!
duncan trussell
It's really strange.
joe rogan
People are weird as fuck, man.
unidentified
When is it?
Southwest, Southwest, like March?
joe rogan
I don't know.
duncan trussell
I don't remember.
joe rogan
What we need to do, you know what we need to do?
We need to put together an LA Comedy Festival.
LA's one of the best places in the world.
unidentified
I think there's a few, no?
joe rogan
Our own, dude.
God.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want to join anybody else's festival.
Then you have to put their people on.
duncan trussell
I'll tell you a comedy festival.
joe rogan
You should do an Ice House comedy festival.
duncan trussell
I'll tell you, it's not a comedy festival, but I did this, my favorite festival that I ever did was...
joe rogan
Furries?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
How'd you know?
I love furries.
I love dressing up like a raccoon.
joe rogan
Do you go tail or no tail?
unidentified
No tail.
joe rogan
Tail makes it hard for them to grab your ass.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
I find that.
joe rogan
Tail gets in the way of ass play.
Tail totally gets in the way of ass play.
duncan trussell
No, there's this place up north.
There's this place called Nevada City.
And they have this film festival up there.
And that place has the fucking...
Deepest hardcore hippies I've ever seen in my life.
And there's this beautiful river.
I think it's the Yuma River that runs through there.
And in the day, you go swimming in this river.
It's so fucking beautiful.
It's like this primordial river.
You jump off rocks and go swimming.
joe rogan
Where is this place again?
duncan trussell
It's called Nevada City.
joe rogan
Nevada City, California?
duncan trussell
No, not Nevada.
They pronounce it Nevada.
It's where all the...
joe rogan
Nevada City.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's like there's a...
I think that's...
joe rogan
California.
duncan trussell
Yes.
That's right where you're getting into what I think, and I may be wrong about this, what is called the Emerald Triangle.
It's like right where you start getting where they grow the buds for the dispensaries.
joe rogan
Oh, slamma jamma.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
It's fucking fun, man.
Well, that's a dangerous area, too, because they've got a lot of Mexican people that go up there to grow pot, and guys actually stay there.
It's really amazing.
I watched a documentary on it on that show.
Goddammit, Vanguard.
You ever see that show?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I believe it's on True TV, one of those reality TV networks.
Anyway, these people did an investigative journalism thing where they went into the woods up there, very dense woods up there, and they found these crazy campsites.
These guys had set up with this guy who was the Saint of Narcos.
Yeah.
They have a narcotic saint.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
I forget his name, something DeNarco.
And it's like, wow, they have a saint to watch over them while they're growing drugs.
unidentified
Why not?
duncan trussell
Why not?
Because the thing is, if you think about what they're doing, nothing wrong with growing drugs, nothing wrong with being a farmer.
You're just growing something out of the ground.
You're not doing anything wrong.
You're not evil.
You're not bad.
But because we happen to exist at a time period in human history, or somehow idiots have determined...
That certain things that grow out of the ground are fucking bad.
joe rogan
You need a saint to protect you.
Certain things that have never killed anybody.
And how about these people are moving through the night with night vision on?
They started fucking hiking at 4 o'clock in the morning because they had to walk like 5 hours to get to these fucking people.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
And they wanted to catch them.
So these guys are hiking through the woods at night.
duncan trussell
To get farmers.
joe rogan
With machine guns.
duncan trussell
To catch farmers.
joe rogan
To go get Mexican farmers.
But they're Mexicans.
duncan trussell
They're Mexican farmers.
joe rogan
And they've got a fucking god of drugs.
We can't stop these people.
duncan trussell
That's all they are.
Anyone who grows pot, you're just a farmer.
joe rogan
You're a farmer.
It's amazing that they force these people to be fucking...
Why do they have guns?
They have guns because they have to have guns.
They have guns because they're all the way up here because they can't grow it down there.
They'll get shot in the head.
Somebody will steal their shit.
duncan trussell
If you made it illegal to grow corn, corn farmers would have a fucking gun.
Yeah.
It's like any time...
Yeah, you have to defend yourself.
joe rogan
The consciousness of this country, this world, this global entity, this human race, the consciousness of this human race is altering right in front of our eyes with the internet.
And the internet and psychedelic experiences together Shit has changed more in this hundred years than at any time ever.
Just the idea of how people feel about life on Earth.
It's so different.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so different than at any time.
And we're riding the wave.
duncan trussell
We're lucky.
joe rogan
We're so lucky.
Or we are in a dream that is symbolic of our own life and we're slowly decaying and that's when there's a great battle.
Will the shit hit the fan or will they come up with an invention that makes me live forever?
Tune in next week till I fucking go head on into a semi and wake up 15 years old going to school again brushing my teeth.
duncan trussell
We're going to have the best cult, man.
joe rogan
It's the best already.
Look, man.
People are drawing fucking pictures of us.
Have you ever seen that thing up there?
What's that homeboy's name?
Pants?
What is his name?
unidentified
Formal Sweatpants.
joe rogan
Formal Sweatpants.
You can buy that Joe Rogan Experience poster from him.
If you haven't seen it, it's fucking awesome.
What's his website?
unidentified
Formalsweatpants.com.
joe rogan
Just the coolest thing.
All this stuff, I just want you guys to all know that I am...
100% humbled, blown away, flattered.
I can't use enough positive words to describe how awesome it is that you guys, first of all, just like the show, but then that you make like these little videos and little...
I mean, there's so many cool videos of rants of just you and I. Just you and I just going off about stuff.
Just that combination.
duncan trussell
That stuff is the coolest stuff ever, man.
That stuff really, really makes me happy.
When that rant we had that landed on Alex Jones, where I was talking about Alex Jones getting arrested, and that landed on his website, that was intense, man.
I was like, fuck, we're going to end up in a fucking FEMA camp.
unidentified
That shit's going to get us.
duncan trussell
I felt a real...
joe rogan
No.
You know why we're not going to?
Because we can talk to the fucking troops.
We can talk to the cops.
We communicate to those people and they're not going to do what these assholes are telling them to do.
That's ultimately a real problem with civil unrest in this country.
The fucking genies out of the bottle, the cops, the firemen, everybody knows that this is a fucking mess.
Everybody knows that these people are just doing what you're supposed to do when you're an American.
They're protesting some gross injustices and they don't know exactly how to do it.
And the way I've described them is that there's a fucking...
There's a problem, and they're white blood cells, and they're surrounding this problem, and they don't know how to conquer it, and they don't know what to do, but the fact that so many people have gravitated towards one area, if you were looking at any other organism and this sort of a situation was happening, you're like, well, clearly there's some sort of a disease, there's an illness, there's a sickness, there's an issue that's being addressed.
Something very, very important is being addressed.
I hear babies in the background.
duncan trussell
I do too.
unidentified
Yeah, my kids are screaming.
joe rogan
Little munchkins.
Duncan Trussell, one day you're going to have some little munchkins.
duncan trussell
I love some little munchkins.
joe rogan
Well, you're a good doggy daddy.
duncan trussell
Yeah, we got rid of our five puppies.
joe rogan
We have five puppies.
unidentified
Got rid of all of them?
joe rogan
That's awesome.
duncan trussell
Got them all in good homes.
joe rogan
Dude, little chihuahua puppies.
How cute are they?
How can you not say...
You know, you go over there and you see them and you're just like, you gotta take them in.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, I knew that we'd have no problem getting, man, there is nothing fun, like, the power of fucking young things, they're so powerful that they can wake you up at four in the mornings, you know, squeaking, and you go in there and they will do jailbreaks where they would, like, get out and suddenly the house is just flooded with chihuahua puppies that you're trying to, like, bring back in.
It's so fun.
And it'll always make you laugh.
You can't get angry at a puppy.
It's almost impossible.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're so goddamn cute.
It's amazing.
That's how nature has sort of engineered them.
Nature and human beings have engineered them to be so goddamn cute and so loving.
What's more loving than a dog, man?
unidentified
It's so funny, though.
brian redban
When my sister had her kid, she did the exact same thing as you, man.
unidentified
Like, immediately, she's like, who cares about the dog anymore?
joe rogan
I still love my dogs.
I love walking them.
I love playing them.
But yeah, that's not a person.
Dogs and people are totally different things, man.
You don't even understand.
But it doesn't mean I don't love my dogs.
duncan trussell
I'd love a little fucking baby one day, man.
joe rogan
A little baby Duncan!
duncan trussell
A little fucking sweet!
unidentified
I think we should just both get a baby, Duncan, and just like, you'll get one weekend, I'll get the next weekend.
joe rogan
Well, I think you guys should let somebody, there'll be a contest, and they'll be able to film the baby coming out.
So that'll be, whoever did the best compilation video, we'll give them access to your wife's vagina as the baby's coming out.
What do you think, Val?
duncan trussell
Yeah, it sounds great.
joe rogan
Sounds like a good idea.
duncan trussell
Yeah, perfect.
joe rogan
But seriously, what is that dude's name again?
Formalsweatpants.com?
unidentified
Formalsweatpants.com.
joe rogan
And he's got the Joe Rogan Experience poster.
I don't know how much he's selling it for, but it's an awesome piece of artwork.
I don't have any piece of this.
It's all his.
I freely endorse it.
unidentified
I have a poster coming soon.
joe rogan
You got a poster coming soon?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did a new Death Squad logo, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I did a new logo.
joe rogan
Death Squad, top 10, bitches.
Top 10 on iTunes.
Holla at your boy.
Got as high as...
What is it?
Six?
unidentified
Five?
It was five the other day.
joe rogan
Pow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Coming up in the world.
Bitches.
We got it.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
Let's bring it home.
duncan trussell
Let's wrap it up.
unidentified
We got the squat show Friday with Doug Benson.
joe rogan
Doug Benson at the Ice House.
Mike Black.
unidentified
Andy, Nicky, Davey, Johnson.
Nice.
joe rogan
Nice, nice, nice.
And if you've never been, folks, the Ice House has two rooms.
It's in Pasadena, California.
The annex is very small.
It's only 85 seats with a guy like Doug Benson.
That shit's going to sell out quick.
So go to icehousecc.com.
Is that what it is?
unidentified
Just icehousecomedy.com.
joe rogan
Yeah, Google that just in case.
unidentified
Search for Death Squad.
joe rogan
Just go to Ice House Comedy and just – whatever.
Google Ice House Comedy Club and check for stage two.
That's what you want to look for.
That's this weekend.
duncan trussell
Can I say a show?
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck yeah.
duncan trussell
I'm going to be at the Arlington Draft House in February.
Look it up.
I don't have the exact – Arlington, Texas?
No, in Maryland.
It's called the Arlington Draft House and I'd love to see you guys there.
joe rogan
Arlington, Maryland.
duncan trussell
Arlington Draft House is what it's called.
Just Google it.
Arlington Draft House.
joe rogan
It'll pop up.
And when is the date?
duncan trussell
It's the second weekend in February, I think.
I have to look at my calendar.
joe rogan
Is that a place that you do on a regular?
duncan trussell
No, this is the first time I've done it.
It's kind of like a movie theater.
And I've heard great things about it.
So I'm super psyched about going.
joe rogan
That's fucking badass.
Who got you that gig?
duncan trussell
My booking guy at APA. Nice.
joe rogan
That sounds like fun, man.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I can't wait.
joe rogan
I did a movie theater.
It's like the first time I ever did Washington, D.C. They used to have that.
They would have stand-up comedy, and then they would have a movie after the comedy.
duncan trussell
Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a good gig, man.
It was fun.
I don't remember the name of it.
So anyway, Duncan Truss will be with me this Friday night at the Chicago Theater.
It's almost sold out.
I think there's less than 200 tickets left.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the most tickets I've ever sold for anything.
This is crazy.
It's going to be nuts.
We have to have big, giant screens.
They have to turn on these big, giant screens to watch it.
This place is huge.
It's an enormous, awesome place.
So that'll be this weekend, this Friday.
And then next Friday, we're doing the House of Blues.
Same lineup, bitches.
Same lineup.
Joey Diaz, Duncan Trussell.
And then after both nights, we're going to watch some crazy shit.
We've got two crazy UFC cards.
unidentified
Holla!
joe rogan
So, thank you to everybody that tunes in.
Thanks to all the positive Twitter messages and all the cool shit.
You know, the cool people outnumber the cunts by a staggering amount.
There's so many more cool people out there that I'm connecting with because of Twitter, because of Facebook, because of this podcast, because of the internet.
There's so many more cool people out there than anybody imagines.
We just gotta find each other.
And so we're glad you found this.
We connect.
We stay together.
We grow.
Party on.
duncan trussell
Hare Krishna.
joe rogan
Party on.
Thanks to the Fleshlight.
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Eventually, I guarantee you, I predict, they will be sponsoring the Death Squad as well.
Death Squad's moving up in the world.
Death Squad needs a logo.
You need a sponsor, you get to talk to them.
We're going to make this happen.
It's a perfect fit.
You guys have porn stars on with their own fleshlights.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, just make sense.
duncan trussell
You mean built in?
joe rogan
No, they have a designed fleshlight.
unidentified
I have 17 podcasts now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
That's like so much podcast.
joe rogan
You've got a lot of podcasts.
The Death Squad is free on iTunes, and it's the only place to get the Ice House Chronicles, which is a podcast that we do live from the Ice House.
Seriously, it is, to me, the coolest fucking thing that we do.
I love it.
It's so fun.
We have a great time every week.
The last week we had Dane Cook on, Bert Kreischer, Ari Shafir, me, Kevin Christie, Brody Stevens, Nick Yusuf.
It's fucking awesome.
I mean, you know what it is?
We have a room at the Ice House, and so we have this stand-up show that's totally sold out, packed, little, tiny, intimate, awesome room, and then the comics are rotating and going on stage from the podcast, and it's amazing.
It's the most fun and the closest you can get to, like, Hanging with a bunch of best friends in the green room before we go up there and fuck shit up.
It's like the greatest podcast of all time.
I love the Ice House Chronicles.
The only way to get it, though, is you've got to subscribe to Death Squad.
So go to iTunes, subscribe to Death Squad, and get it.
It's all free, of course.
This podcast will always be free.
Death Squad will always be free.
We will not charge you.
Duncan Trussell, though, he'll charge you a couple bucks.
And you know what?
Pay him!
duncan trussell
For what?
joe rogan
Pay them for your lavender hour.
duncan trussell
Bonus episodes, one dollar.
Pay them.
joe rogan
It's not much.
It's only a dollar.
duncan trussell
But the other ones are free.
We do one free one a week.
joe rogan
You can't get mad.
People get mad at him.
How dare you ask me for anything?
I've given you free stuff.
You don't have to take.
It's not like I'm saying you have to pay.
You don't have to pay.
You do whatever you want to.
But if you want to, there's the possibility.
Please.
Thank you for everybody asking.
I am talking with my people about doing the same thing that Louis C.K. did.
I'm totally going to steal his idea and try to put out my next special just online like that.
It just seems to make sense.
Now that everybody has iTunes, so many people have Apple TV, so many people have Netflix, I get more messages about my streaming special from 2005 on Netflix.
I get more email about that particular special than anything I've ever done ever.
Because I think more people are seeing it through Netflix.
I don't know if they can get the last one, the Talking Monkeys in Space, but the Netflix one, they made.
They produced it.
So every day I get tweets about that, man.
That's the future.
The future is...
Louis C.K. showed us the way.
So I'm going to totally do what he did and release it that way.
duncan trussell
And buy my book.
joe rogan
You got a book?
duncan trussell
Not yet.
It'll be out in two years.
unidentified
Just the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
All right, you dirty freaks.
Oh, next Friday, we're at the House of Blues.
Okay, I said that already.
That's it.
The show's over.
Thanks to the flashlight.
Thanks to Anna.com.
Go to O-N-N-I-T.com.
What's there?
Mysteries.
Mysteries.
Mysteries of the mind.
unidentified
Pills to change your focus.
Yes.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Google nootropics, go there.
First 30 pills.
If you don't like it, you get a money-back guarantee.
It used to be more, but the world's filled with cunts.
duncan trussell
Lemonparty.org.
brian redban
You know, you could have invested $1 million and probably made $30 million if you would have done that.
joe rogan
In what?
unidentified
You know, bought that much pills and then sold it on eBay.
joe rogan
Should I do that?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I should totally rob myself.
Just start ordering shit for myself.
duncan trussell
Get rich from robbing yourself.
joe rogan
Alright, you dirty freaks, we love you from the bottom of our hearts.
We can't say it enough.
It's hard to say goodbye.
We don't know when to do it.
I never know how to shut it off.
unidentified
Bye!
joe rogan
We're putting it out there.
We're putting it out there.
We're getting it from you.
Thank you very much.
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