Aubrey Marcus (formerly Chris) explores how fasting, flagellation, and adrenaline floods—like winter Lent or Genghis Khan’s reproductive dominance—historically triggered mystical states, debating whether modern psychedelics (e.g., DMT, Johns Hopkins’ magic mushroom research) offer safer alternatives. They contrast shamanic rituals with warrior cultures using Amanita Muscaria, while discussing supplements like Shroom Tech Sport (cordyceps for endurance) and Alpha Brain’s neurotransmitter effects, dismissing skepticism as unfounded. Rogan praises Marcus’s authenticity amid criticism but warns of smartphone hack risks (e.g., Lady Gaga’s iPad tweets) and societal collapse, urging proactive change over complacency. [Automatically generated summary]
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You know, the bullshit about, you know, studies that disprove, studies that prove, I don't think you can accurately get an assessment about that unless we get into some really fucking much more detailed tests of diet and exercise and, you know, and test people that aren't doing it and test people that aren't, and then draw your conclusions.
You can't freak them out with fucking alien noises.
Did you see that spaceship?
It was on like, I believe it was Engadget, or Gizmodo, one of those gadget websites, where they were talking about, there's all these photos of this crazy spacecraft that the government was driving on the back of a truck.
I mean, the only way this even makes sense is that someone must have insane money and hate this guy, because the story doesn't make any sense.
But they used a drone to determine that there was cows in this guy's property that weren't his, and that he did not alert the other ranch that their cattle had wandered onto his.
And they used a drone to determine this.
And I'm like, Jesus Christ.
How does this other guy get that drone?
Find out who that guy is and follow him.
That guy who can call someone and say, Hey, yeah, I'm having a cow problem with my asshole neighbor.
Can I borrow one of those fucking drones?
Can I borrow one of those predator things and search around this asshole's property?
Holy shit, man.
Is that like a crazy violation?
And the only thing they could catch on him was that some cows had wandered over to his property?
It looks like the only way this would be getting passed, the only way this would be accepted by so many people and not enrage others is that they know there's going to be a massive civil unrest.
But as I thought about it, too, I mean, back in the days where you crushed rebellions, you know, there's plenty of tyrannies that have crushed rebellions throughout history.
There was always certain factors present.
There was a lack of information able to circulate.
They would close down those things.
The government's hinting at different ways of trying to do that, but I don't think they'll ever be successful.
The internet's too prevalent.
It's too powerful.
As you've said, they'll build ways around it.
They'll find ways to communicate.
And then also, the people they were suppressing were generally not as well-armed as the people who are trying to suppress them.
So they had an overwhelming...
You know, force majeure of technological superiority in their arms.
But this is a well-armed nation, and I just can't imagine that even our troops, the some that are brainwashed or not, would ever really want to take out their real guns against our citizens.
But the citizens, when pushed hard enough, you know, we're all armed.
I mean, at a certain point where, you know, they're abusing our people grandly, and it could get really bad.
And I just can't imagine that it could get to that level.
I just think that final step that they're trying to prepare for is a step that's ultimately destined for failure.
They won't be able to pull that trigger.
It's kind of like in the nuclear age, there's a certain level of warfare that you just can't do.
You can't get mass a group of people and attack another country that has a nuclear armament because they'll just use the nuke.
You can't push the Americans too hard because we're all fucking armed.
And we're all going to be able to communicate with each other.
There's a certain boundary point where it's destined to fail.
So I think they have a weird strategy.
It's like they're preparing for something, but the endgame can't work.
They can't push that final button where they put live rounds in the troops and start shooting us.
We just will not fucking allow that under any circumstance.
And that's what the founders in creating the Second Amendment, I believe they had in mind, was not to protect against our enemies, but also against our own government, misusing the power of the armies.
It's funny how few people are willing to engage that idea, you know, willing to even throw it out there that it's possible that there could be some sort of a massive civil war in this country and that literally we might have troops, American troops, fighting against Americans.
Nobody wants to think that.
Nobody wants to think that that's possible.
You know, that's why when, you know, they talk about the Second Amendment, you know, allowing for an armed militia, right?
You know, you're going to rise against the government?
Just ten years ago, that sounded like nonsense.
That sounded like the stupidest thing in the world.
Like, why the fuck would you do that?
This is the greatest country on earth.
But within the ten years since 9-11...
stood for to me and to I think a lot of us.
It's just, it's been shit on.
It's been used.
It's just like, one of the reasons why everybody was so horrified after 9-11, it's like, you know, people who don't pay that much attention to foreign politics, they don't know exactly what all the complaints are and what countries we're occupying, what sacred land we they don't know exactly what all the complaints are and what countries we're occupying, what sacred land
If they don't understand what the actual reason for someone being pissed off at us for, their view of the United States most likely is really pretty rosy.
We're the peacekeepers of the world.
And yeah, Vietnam was a little shady, but we did fuck up Hitler.
And Japan was ready to take over.
We took care of that nonsense too.
Russia, we bankrupt them bitches.
All right, we're good.
We got this.
But you dig deeper and you pay more attention to it and you go, look at what could happen in 10 years.
Look how it can just slide away from you in 10 years.
Things like the Patriot Act, things like tapping into people's fucking cell phones on a regular basis with no warrants, and the fact that the Patriot Act was only used a handful of times for actual terrorist attacks, but was used hundreds and thousands of times for drugs.
Hundreds and thousands of times.
I forget the real number, but it was just a ridiculous, disproportionate number where the majority of the times they used the Patriot Act was for drugs.
The setup that they have now where the They're allowed to come up with laws, and then these few handful of motherfuckers that have gotten to the cool kids party, they get to vote on everything, that it goes through the Senate, and it goes through Congress, and they agree to it, and then if the president doesn't veto it, that's it.
It went through this X amount of people.
300 million people are changed now and affected by this corrupt, stupid, fucking, shitbag, unconstitutional idea that these fuckheads passed.
And it's just somehow or another they're allowed to do that.
That's a ridiculous form of government.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
I mean, representative or not, that's stupid.
That's a terrible way for really important shit to get introduced into our culture.
And the fact that that is the way the system is set up, ultimately the whole thing needs to be radically overhauled.
It's not like a little minor tweak.
It needs to be radically overhauled because there's so much that gets done and so much that sucks out there that we just follow it because it's written somewhere and because everybody agreed to it at one point in time.
But as we've gotten older and you get a much better grasp on how fucked up the world really is and how ridiculous some of the laws that are in place.
What the actual origin of those laws are and the fact that they're actually based in real, clear, measurable corruption.
It should be like a fuckload of people should be in jail, is what it should be.
But instead, it's just kind of like, it is the law.
And I think one of the interesting things that we're going to do is, you know, there's two problems.
One is what's wrong with, you know, currently the society that we're in and how to bridge that gap.
But I think as important as anything is to just start fresh, take away all that momentum, all of those, you know, different people trained in the different ways, what you expect, and just kind of start from scratch and say, if you could start from scratch, you know, how could you set this up?
Knowing what we know now, And knowing the different pathways that history have already paved, how do you prevent these disasters?
How do you prevent this corruption?
How do you create a model that will create momentum going the other way?
And then the question just becomes, how do you bridge these two situations?
Is it possible?
Is it possible to go from our current situation to the ideal situation?
You know, and there's a lot of people out there that are at zero right now that would love that.
They would love, like, everybody gets a fair shake, man!
Everybody gets a fair piece!
Which is not supposed to be how it is.
Everybody has the opportunity to go out and make money by whatever means you want to do it.
And if your means are unsuccessful, it doesn't mean the system sucks.
It means that for whatever reason, whether you're in a saturated environment or whether, you know, the The job that you want is highly touted, and it's one that everybody wants to get, and there's a lot of competition.
Is that what it is?
What is the reason, ultimately, you're not able to do what you're doing?
Because there's got to be a reason for it.
Yes, the situation we're currently in economically sucks, but I think a lot of these dudes are just willing to lay down.
A lot of these dudes are willing to go, it's rigged!
The thing is rigged, man!
They're not even willing to try to figure out some way through it.
We all know that at the beginning of, I mean, I'm sure you must have felt this at points in your life, and I certainly felt it as a struggling comedian.
There's points where you feel like you're not going to make it.
You feel like this is a ridiculous pursuit.
I'm a fucking failure.
If I was doing that, and then I thought, if I had these self-defeating thoughts, and then I thought that the system was rigged, If I was going to college to get some sort of a job in business, then I realized the system is rigged, and now I'm in that self-defeating stage, and then I'm marching around, that might not necessarily be the best move for you.
I read an interesting piece on that, and there's a Dutch economist, I think this guy Habermas, and his point was that they're leading this almost anarchist movement without any set defined principles.
As a form of kind of awareness for self-correction by the majority.
Basically saying that there's nothing that they can say.
No bill, no law, no rule that will be respected enough to actually come out and say, do this.
Because the whole system is so corrupt and nepotistic and circular that somehow they would get that concession and then it would be over.
But by creating this kind of anarchist Where they're just in certain areas and they're just there, they're causing people like us to be more aware, to heighten that sense of self-awareness and self-critical side of things and may actually affect the majority to change in a much broader level than if they actually had demands and actually started to do it.
Yeah, I mean, you can criticize the people.
I mean, I think I've said it before, playing hacky sack out on the Austin City Hall, you know, is not exactly going to inspire the most amount of people, but it is going to cause people to talk about it and cause, you know, room for self-reflection.
And I think that kind of, you know, anarchist protest, almost, which is what it is, is effective in that way.
They're beating the fuck out of these protesters, man.
I mean, beat them to death.
It's horrendous, man.
Horrendous shit.
It's really, really hard to watch.
These people running down the street, there are hundreds of them, and they encounter like one or two protesters and just club the fuck out of them.
While they're unconscious, they're jumping on them and booting them in the head and cracking them full blast in the head with batons while they're unconscious.
This guy jumped on this woman.
One guy was dragging her, and this guy jumped and stomped on her chest.
She was a woman.
She had a bra on.
It was like a blue bra.
She was skinny.
And he just jumped up and stomped down on her chest.
It is inhumane.
It's horrific to watch.
And that country right now is fucked.
It's the new boss, same as the old boss.
All of a sudden, this guy who had been running shit as a dictator for 20 plus years is gone.
And who the fuck runs things?
No, I do.
No, I do.
And then there's a jockeying.
And there's just crazy lawlessness now.
It's horrific to watch, man.
When you see that.
When you see these protesters getting beaten like that, man.
The savagery involved.
It's just like, man, you have no concern for their health or well-being.
The speculatory frenzy around stocks and these things is pretty outrageous.
Really, it takes away from what originally the idea is, which is to own a share and interest in a company that you thought was going to make money and do things as a positive form of investment.
Looking at these equity markets, they're way better off than the credit markets, than the debt markets.
That's where all these problems are going.
People swapping debt and derivatives and all of these things.
At least these are companies.
At least, ultimately, at the end of the day, you can poke a CEO in the chest and hold something, a service or a product that he created, that the company created, All of these other debt pieces, what are they?
They're just these numbers that are circulated in a variety of ways where everybody makes money.
And if you lose money, guess what?
You don't lose money because the government will bail you out.
So how the fuck are they not going to do that?
It's a no-risk situation.
Yeah, let's be super aggressive.
Let's be super risky.
We'll make a bunch of money on the way up.
If we lose, no big deal.
Uncle Sam will come in.
They'll pay it all.
I mean, how are we not expected for them to have it?
That's why I think one of my biggest beefs with the Occupy Wall Street movement is, you know, it really should be Occupy Washington.
I mean, you're telling these sharks that, hey, play this game, you can make all the money you want, and if you lose, we're going to bail you out.
Well, whose fault is that?
They're going to be sharks.
Sharks are going to be sharks.
These men are put in their positions for being greedy, for being, you know, the most aggressive in their lives.
Of their class.
And then we're expecting them to behave in these dramatically moral ways and not do it.
No, it's not gonna happen.
If they have no room for failure at the end of the day, why the fuck wouldn't they do that?
There's a dude I used to do Taekwondo with who became a stock market guy and I didn't see him for like a couple weeks and I saw him and he was like, he had a suit on and shit.
And I was like, what are you doing, man?
Like, what's going on with you?
And he's like, dude, I'm fucking selling stocks.
He was like this really aggressive psycho dude.
And all of a sudden he was like really into this game of selling stocks.
But the way he was talking about it was like he was going to financial war every day.
If you're interested in any of this, go to Vice Guide for North Korea.
Go to vice.com and check out the thing that they have up because they have a bunch of shit today, including all this North Korean labor camp footage where they have all the slave footage that they have.
They said that Kim Jong was the number one buyer of Hennessy.
Number one single person that buys the most Hennessy.
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About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and And Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in.
He said, sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second.
I said, well, you're too busy.
He said, no, no.
He says, we've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq.
This was on or about the 20th of September.
I said, we're going to war with Iraq?
Why?
He said, I don't know.
He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.
So, I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?
He said, no, no.
He says, there's nothing new that way.
They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but...
We've got a good military and we can take down governments.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper and he said, I just...
He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense Office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
So if we had to do it, we've talked about this, Joe.
So if we had to start it all over, let's say some cataclysm happens, economic collapse happens, a situation where like-minded people are able to, before it happens, say, all right, listen, we've got to scope out North Dakota.
He believes that the Anunnaki who created the human out of the lower hominid and the alien genetics, they needed us to mine for gold because they needed gold in massive amounts to suspend in their atmosphere to protect their atmosphere.
It sounds completely ridiculous, but when you really go back to how long people have been using gold, they were like nomads, man.
What did you give a fuck about this little shiny, weird, soft metal that you can't even make a tool out of?
Duxley has a different theory that I think is actually pretty interesting as well.
He says that the reason people like gold is because it approximates some of the shiny visions that you see under the psychedelic or mystic experience.
So that's the reason why we like gems.
That's the reason why we like gold.
I mean now metal is everywhere.
It's ubiquitous.
But back then that was the only shiny shit that you found in the earth was metal that you mined.
Right now we mass produce it so it's not that You know, mystical or beholding anymore.
But he says, you know, he's like, why are we digging in the dirt to find these shiny pebbles still?
And he says it's because when you're on these kind of mescaline or DMT or these other experiences, you see these multifaceted, you know, you know, colors and lights and shine, you know.
But we all know some knowledge of that realm, and that's his idea.
His basic concept is that your mind is just a filter, and it symbolizes the things that you see so that you can walk around, you do the normal daily stuff.
But when you remove that filter, like through psychedelics or through other different methods, some of that starts to peer through and you see the colors in the way that they are in the void and the different aspects outside of our physical confines.
And that's what's so mystical about them.
And that's why we seek that.
Even if we haven't seen it in psychedelics, we know it.
And that's part of our soul's knowledge, or at least part of the collective mind at large.
Well, everyone's had a dream, you know, and any dream state might as well be a psychedelic experience.
I mean, how many times have dream states just been like, you know, you're involved in something that is just completely ridiculous, makes no sense, and you're just kind of going with it, you know?
I mean, that's like a lot of really nutty, crazy dreams, right?
That is like a psychedelic experience, and most likely even caused by psychedelic compounds in the brain.
They don't totally understand how that works, man.
They don't totally understand why dimethyltryptamine is in your brain and 5-methoxy dimethyltryptamine and when is it actually released.
There's theories that it's released in periods of high stress and there's some anecdotal evidence, but they really have to develop these much more sensitive ways of determining when the actual DMT is released during various stages of human activity.
Because right now, from what I understand, one of the only ways to find out is when someone dies.
Does DMT flood the brain when they die?
Well, you have to get in there within seconds after they're dead and measure that shit.
When your body processes it, it's 10, 15 minutes.
And you're back to baseline.
I mean, it's a really quick experience.
So when someone dies, if they get that blast, if that's what happens, and you have a psychedelic trip that whether it eases your departure from the earth or whether it opens up some fucking gateway to something that's next, whatever the hell it is, it's gone pretty goddamn quickly.
It's poof.
It's there and it's not.
So they would have to open your fucking head up real quick and get to that gland and then start testing, I think.
I spent a long time telling that story about the jungle when I was down there and taking ayahuasca.
Since then, I had a very deep psilocybin experience in contrast.
There is something particular about the DMT molecule that I'm convinced that's transcendiary to what, you know, in the framework of the jungle when I was there, that causes you to go to different dimensions than even a psilocybin trip.
I felt like the DMT molecule is some form of gateway that opens doors that you can't even get with other Energy medicine, psychoactive compounds.
There's something particularly special about that.
And I couldn't help but feel that overwhelming feeling.
I actually was able to, I saw a lot of the same kind of figures and a lot of things like trying to pull me up.
Like that was a large part of my vision was these reaching down in and trying to pull me up into these higher levels.
But just the fuel wasn't there.
Like I couldn't open that door, the same door that I went through back in the jungle.
And maybe that has something to do with the shaman, maybe it has to do with the other things, but I think it has to do with TRT itself.
I haven't done DMT in several years, and it's been a couple because the last time I did it was the only time ever, ever, I mean I've had a bunch of psychedelic experiences, but the last time I did DMT was the only time Where I ever was not sure what was real and what was imagination and fantasy for about two weeks.
For about two weeks the world itself, like as I was driving, seemed malleable.
It seemed like if I concentrated on car accidents, I might wind up in a fucking car accident.
If I concentrate on it raining out, it might rain out.
It sounded completely ridiculous, and I didn't believe that I could make anything happen with my mind by any stretch of the imagination.
What I also didn't believe was that reality was 100% real.
Because what happens when you have a real mind-blowing fucking trip is, first of all, you get terrified that it's that close.
That all you have to do is smoke that stuff, and it's right there?
I can get there in 30 seconds, a minute, and I get to some impossible place.
Like, if you could...
If you had to journey across the earth to get to some spot in Tibet where you look into the DMT realm, you have to climb through a fucking cave and repel, and you camp out there, and it takes days, and some people die like climbing Mount Everest.
But if you get there, if you get to that spot, you look out and you see God.
You look out and you see the most purest wisdom, the most knowledgeable love, the most sympathetic voice, the most knowledge that you could ever possibly imagine coming from something in a way that's not even language, like very difficult to describe, but so the most knowledge that you could ever possibly imagine coming from something in Man, people would take trips to go to that.
It would be, you know what I'm saying?
Like if there was like a guy that you could go to that would give you this feeling.
But essentially there is, and it's...
If it was legal and you could go to places where they could prescribe it, boy, would that change the world.
I mean, would that change the world?
Would that change the fucking world?
If people have seen what you've seen, could you imagine?
Well, the driving, another, you know, theory from Huxley is that the driving force behind all religion was seeking that That kind of transcendental place.
And people got to it through a variety of different means.
He said, you know, all the chanting that you find in these mystical traditions, that raises the CO2 level because you end up breathing out more than you breathe in when you're doing it, unless you're a highly trained singer, you know, and you're expert.
But most of these ecstatic chanting and yelling and all that is designed to raise that CO2 level.
People say shit like that, man, it drives me nuts.
And then you repeat it accidentally, not thinking about it, and then someone else has to come along and go, wait a minute, man, what the fuck did you just say?
And then you go, yeah, what the fuck did I just say?
God damn it, I'm just repeating some stupid shit.
Somebody told me, in martial arts, that was always a problem.
Sort of, but isn't it possible that it's also perturbing your mind and giving your mind an excess of chemicals to deal with so it distorts your visual perception of the world?
I mean, it seems to me that you have to look at every single possibility.
And you have to look at the possibility that if the brain produces all these different chemicals at varying doses and we believe that it varies the doses based on stress levels, wow, there might be something to that.
There might be something to this possibility that there's a gateway.
But there's also a possibility that you're just getting fucked up on some wacky drug and seeing some nutty shit and it's so humbling because you don't expect it that when you come back you have all these rationalizations and all this Either way, if you believe it, it can make you a great person.
It's like a lot of religions, man.
I don't think there's anything wrong with Christianity.
I mean, if it works for you, it works for you.
I know people that it works for them, and it actually does make them a better person.
And if you believe in it, it can work.
It can make you a better person.
And if you believe that your psychedelic experience was truly connecting with the divine, well, that can make you a better person.
But it could also be your system is just over-flooded by some shit that's not supposed to be there in rocket-fueled doses.
Just awash in usually what it gets a sip of.
It's at the bottom of a river of this crazy fucking...
So that's, I think, that's actually, I think, a more accepted theory than Hudson's, which is that you're actually taking away your filter instead of adding something else.
And he goes on to talk about, you know, probably more convincing arguments than the chanting argument, basically that there was a famous saint, the curé d'Ars, this French saint, and he used to say that when he would flagellate himself, God would deny him nothing, and he would have access to that mystical level.
In the era before soap, that would cause, first of all, the actual beating would cause a lot of adrenaline to rush through your body and histamines to rush through your body as this was going on.
That, in combination with the fasting that was very popular, obviously Lent, winter was kind of a forced fast, and with the flagellation that caused, you know, in the era before soap, it would almost always fester.
So there would be all these decomposing protein in your system.
It would basically reduce Your cerebral capacity to the point where you could enter psychedelic trance states and actually commune with God underneath your...
So you're saying because they were dirty, stinky people that didn't wash that good, so they didn't scrub off the outside layer of skin, that somehow they're penetrating that would change their state?
Well, this is in combination with a variety of things.
So basically, the brain needs vitamins and nutrients to function normally.
You know, you go through these long periods of fasting.
That was one way to reach the mystical experience.
40 days of fasting, you're basically denying your brain of all the glucose, all the vitamins necessary to function optimally.
And that's when a lot of these people had visions.
Well, the reason they had visions, according to Huxley, was because the brain was just not able to function as its normal symbolizing cerebral nature that it does to make us all survive.
So you were able to take in more of the capital M mind at large, which we call the collective now, because of the lack of vitamins.
And he was saying also the flagellation usually used in conjunction with that.
So you got your brain basically running on very little, just trying to hang in there.
And then you beat yourself.
And then at that point, you know, you got adrenaline, you got histamines, and then you got festering wounds on your back that are causing more, you know, more kind of toxins to your brain.
So at that point, your brain just kind of shuts off and it allows more of that mystical experience to come through.
They were only able to store a certain amount of things.
And then Lent coming off winter was also a time that caused a lot of these visions to come.
And at that point, yeah, somebody maybe got taken to the whip.
I mean, whipping was a common way to treat any kind of petty offense.
Someone gets whipped after three months of fasting for winter, 40 days of Lent, and they get whipped.
They very well may see God.
And that was Huxley's idea.
But he said now, at the state that we know about psychedelics, trying to get to the mystical state through that reason is like burning a house down to cook a pig.
It's like you don't need to do that anymore.
You can go out and you can find these tools that were placed here on the earth to help get you that experience.
Isn't it amazing how the human mind can be programmed like that with religion or with nationalism, whether it's North Korea or whether it's the fucking Inquisition?
It's amazing, really.
It's amazing that human beings can all fall into a pattern.
The pattern just has to be really clear and enforced and scare the fuck out of a few people while it's being enforced.
And then, boom!
It spreads.
It's really amazing.
We're so weird.
We're capable of such brilliance and such beauty, but we're also so fucking dumb.
We're so easy to trick.
We're so easy to program and make act completely ridiculous and absurd.
That critical part of the mind is probably getting steered around for a certain...
Because that hardly rational individual...
But their emotional intelligence might be off the charts.
They might be able to be very...
You know, insightful as far as, you know, their intuition and what they're able to see, but certainly there's some critical aspect that they're able to just circumvent and shut off completely, and that's, I think, obvious.
But once you get that majority, let's say that 20%, Human beings are naturally creatures, social creatures.
So if you start to see a majority, like if you start to see a bunch of people running, you know, you're going to start jogging the same direction and be like, oh shit, I don't know why I'm jogging, but these people are fucking going and I'm out of here.
So I think that's part of what happens.
They get a certain minority, you know, convinced, hypnotized basically to some nonsense.
And then everybody else is like, oh shit, look at all these people.
When you're in high school and you're boning and you're raw-dogging it and you're barely pulling out on time, that is the best time to make a person.
Your body's ready to go.
Your body's young and fresh.
Their eggs are falling into their socks.
There's so many eggs, man.
They're ready to drop.
It's so easy to have a baby then, and that's just the most ridiculous thing ever.
You know, that we're set up the same way that we were set up back when it was really hard to stay alive.
You know, our biological setup is set up for back when we didn't have houses.
You know, we were out there sleeping under the stars.
One guy had to stay awake with a stick, you know?
And then we're wandering around chasing after these animals because we have to follow the herd, otherwise we'll starve to death.
Goddamn, man.
What a shit design.
The whole world has changed, and we're the same.
That's what's really fucked up.
We, in our little fucking interesting minds, have figured out a way to manipulate the Earth so radically that we've polluted the ocean and fucked up the air and left big fucking giant spots where no one can go for 100,000 years.
There's a gang of them where we drop nuclear bombs just to fucking see what would happen.
It's like, We had to get rid of nuclear waste.
We've done this like that!
We've done it so quickly.
It's really amazing.
But we're the same animal that we were 50,000 years ago.
The guy Malthus is a politician and economist and he basically said food production increases arithmetically and population increases geometrically.
So that ultimately the way things are going, we see this in all these third world countries, reproduction is far outpaced.
You know the amount of food supply and the things and this happens at various periods in history and so either nature is going to take care of it either in one fell swoop through a giant famine or through disease or through the other kind of overpopulation effects then nature will kind of auto correct these mistakes or you have to take different methods of contraception very seriously and start teaching that you know at an early age and you know putting that in people's minds We're
I would have thought, doesn't everybody know she's a fucking loon?
Hasn't that been figured out yet?
Have you seen her husband?
Have you seen him talk?
That guy can't hold it in.
Flowers come out of his asshole when he farts.
I mean, he's like a guy, if he threw his hands up randomly in the air, glitter would just magically come out of the air.
Whether it came from his skin or came from the universe recognizing the gayness that he Exudes.
It needs to be glorified to glitter.
He can create glitter.
He's a fucking peacock, man.
He's hilarious.
He's one of the gayest people to ever walk the face of the planet.
At least he looks like he is.
And she's running around talking about gay marriage, and they have a Pray the Gay Away sort of a clinic where they all get together.
One guy did an expose on their Pray the Gay Away clinic, and there was a guy behind him.
Somehow or another, they do this thing where they all get together and they hold on to each other.
And he says, the guy behind him clearly has a heart on.
It's like, what the fuck are you doing, man?
And these people are running for president, man.
It's amazing.
But she's got a lot of people that think that she can win.
I mean, not enough to actually win, I don't think, unless everybody else fucks up bad.
But the problem is they keep fucking up.
Everybody keeps fucking up.
Rick Perry is still in it, but it's just cursory at this point.
It's like, what is he doing?
Come on, dude.
Everybody knows you're an idiot.
You're done, man.
You fucking can't talk.
You forget shit.
George Bush was way better, and people were offended by how dumb he was.
Rick Perry is really fucking stupid.
George Bush was better than this guy.
Like, way better at talking.
I mean, he seemed like, you know, he wasn't an intellectual, but he seemed like, especially back when he was running for governor, it seems like he put some fucking words together.
This guy's an embarrassment.
So it's like, who else?
There's no one left.
I mean, Mitt Romney and fucking the other guy with the big head.
To go back to the point that you were talking about sex earlier, because I thought about this a lot in building a society, and some of the solutions that people had to...
To the population growth problem was actually teaching a form of Tantra, which is where you withhold your seed when you're having sex.
Now, I don't think I would try this personally very often, but if you created a system where you actually taught sex, and this was one of the ways you could do it.
You know, the worst is when you see a guy who takes a girl out to a comedy club and you know he hasn't fucked her yet.
And she's all mouthy and shit and yelling shit out.
And you're like, why is this?
I'll tell you why.
Because you didn't fuck her.
You didn't fuck her before you leave.
And that's true shit.
If you gorilla fuck a girl before you leave the house...
First of all, she's not trying to draw on extra attention.
Her genetics tell her she's already gotten fucked today.
Chill out.
You don't need any extraordinary amount of attention.
Don't need any extraordinary love.
Just settle the fuck down.
But if you don't fuck them, and then you take them out into the wild, and they're pumping out all those someone's gonna fuck me tonight hormones, and it might be you.
Hopefully it's you.
But if she's a crazy bitch, she's trying to see if there's another offer out there.
I mean, how many girls have you ever met that date really weak dudes because they're terrified of being in a situation where a man controls them?
Because either a man was abusive earlier in their life, or they had a bad I know girls that are constantly involved in beta men.
Like guys with real issues.
They can never get it together.
They're always fucking falling behind on their bills.
And these girls are always nagging at them to get their shit together.
And it's this weird relationship, man, where the woman makes more of the money, and the woman pays for the car, and he has to borrow it from her when he wants to go out.
And it's like, wow.
It's such a clear situation to everybody else.
You see on the outside, you're like, look, this is not good.
This is fucking completely unnatural, dude.
There's a reason why she's yelling at you.
Yeah.
Hey, man, we're all equal.
We're all even.
It's all the same.
Who cares, man?
She makes the money.
I help out around the house.
Get the fuck out of here.
There's no way you're fucking her correctly.
You gotta fuck her like you have all the money.
That's the only way you're supposed to fuck them.
You're supposed to fuck them like you have all the money.
Daddy's gonna take care of everything.
He can't say that.
She's like, Daddy can't even take care of his own fucking car bill.
It was really interesting to see that the two muscle guys, like there was two guys on the show, like the big buff, like ripped guys, had such a hard time early on.
I was like, wow, those two little gay guys just beat these little muscle guys.
I mean, they were saying that they're agile and they move well, but...
The bottom line is you're carrying around a bunch of unnecessary muscle that's not aiding you in your frame the way you move.
It requires a lot of fuel.
You get really tired really easily.
When you see a guy that has an extraordinary amount of muscle on him, to someone who does jiu-jitsu or someone who does MMA, you look at that guy and go, how long can you last?
You can't last.
All you have to do is grab ahold of you.
All you have to do is engage a guy like that in a fight.
Engage him in a fight.
Get ahold of him.
They could be really explosive.
All that muscle, he could really have a powerful punch.
You have to be really careful.
But if you can get past that and somehow or another manage to get a hold of him, just hang on.
Just make him struggle to get off you.
And in 10-15 seconds, he's at 30% of what he was 15 seconds ago.
Literally, it's amazing.
Guys like that are always like...
One good exertion away from their heart fucking exploding in their chest.
It's like they have a computer, like a Celeron 300 processor, and they got it jacked up to 425. You're not supposed to be carrying around that much weight, man.
You're just not.
It's not natural.
It's really hard to do.
You've got to put a bunch of shit in your system to make yourself carry that much weight.
And most of those guys are non-athletic, you know?
I don't know if you remember the other day, Esther gave us a bunch of those drinks, those fruit drinks, and I had one the other day, because she left one over in the fridge, and it was an orange pineapple or something like that, and I was drinking it, and suddenly in my mouth, a bug.
You know the lightning bugs?
What those look like?
The ones that aren't lightning bugs, but look exactly like a lightning bug.
When you, I hate to like be morose though, but when you see people get sick and you see people that aren't healthy, do you ever stop and think, man, eventually I'm going to have to quit smoking cigarettes and actually get my body in some sort of shape?
Does that ever come?
Or are you just going to ride that bitch until the wheels fall off?
Or are you not thinking about it until something breaks on you?
Diet-wise, Weight Watchers, I know you don't believe this, but diet-wise, I eat really healthy and I'm constantly doing juicing and making stuff like that.
I think an important concept, even it applies to the muscle men and applies to everybody.
I actually wrote about it on the Onnit blog.
It's called, Are You Fit Enough to Survive?
And I think there's an important concept in there.
Like, take away all of the normal rules.
Let's go back to, like, a primitive state where you have to chase food for a while, maybe run after them a few days, and you have to do certain explosive movements in a fight against an animal or another.
But I think especially for men, that haunts part of their physical psyche, to know that they wouldn't, on a basic primal level, be fit enough To survive in a situation where there weren't all these rules in supermarkets and laws that kind of break them down.
But then there's the nature versus nurture thing, because I know a certain amount of it is biological, but a certain amount of it is also I've been feeding my body this adrenaline energy explosion of My body, from the time I was a small boy, has been exploding on things, just smashing things.
And when your body grows up like that, and it sort of like engineers itself to perform under those balance loads, you know, under those extreme loads, rather, then when it builds up for that, and then when there's no load, there's no release, there's no explosion, there's no sprints, there's no smash, smash, smash, all of a sudden you just got all this smash juice, and it's not going anywhere, and somebody cuts you off in traffic, Fuck you!
I've been doing light workouts throughout the day.
Instead of just one big fucking crazy workout a day, I had a back issue.
I kept getting the same muscle pull in my back because I would let it get like three-quarters of the way healed and then jump back into jiu-jitsu class and fuck it up again.
So I had to take like a certain amount of time off.
And when I took time off, I found out there's a lot of shit that I could still do that wasn't fucking with me.
So I did it like easily.
So I said, today I'm just going to do a couple sets of chin-ups and a couple sets of dips and that's it.
Let's see if that fucks with my back.
No, it doesn't.
Well, let me try it tomorrow.
I'm going to just do it.
And then I started doing all these things throughout the day.
I would do it several times a day where I would do just a few kettlebell exercises.
And I found that I was getting less sore, but I was getting strength gains.
Because when I was doing it over the course of a few months, I was noticing that when I do these little smaller workouts, a friend of mine told me that he got the best results on his chin-ups when he installed a chin-up bar in his house and every day he would just do 10 chin-ups.
Every day.
Not that hard.
Ten's easy.
One, two, three.
You do ten and he's done.
But he did it every day.
And he said, after a while I could do 20. And he goes, crazy.
It's just like your body just gets strong at doing that.
And there was never a day where he did it to failure.
He just did it to ten.
But you do it every day and your body goes, alright, we need these fucking ligaments, we need more blood, we need to thicken this forearm up and then next thing you know, it was almost like no pain but gain.
It's like 8% of all the Asiatic people, but 0.5% of the entire world because of just the amount of people that he had sex with and his descendants had sex with because the Kublai Khan then went into power and he ran the Chinese dynasty.
But that kind of effect, we won't ever see anything like that.
It seems that as we approach some sort of a symbiotic relationship with computers and technology that's inescapable, the power of the physical becomes less important.
Yeah, obviously, the smart people are not getting to breed at the same rate as Genghis Khan did, but...
I think people in general are just much smarter and much more aware and much more in tune than ever before.
But as far as like, yeah, like super geniuses, the biological race over the technological race, it seems to me the technological is so fucking far ahead of the biological that it's almost ridiculous to assume that the biological is ever going to catch up, whether it's through natural selection or not.
It just seems like technology in the short amount of time that it's been around has achieved so much momentum and so much innovation.
It's gone so many generations and models greater than what it was when it was first introduced that it seems like inevitable that that's going to be the big tip off.
It's going to be a technological innovation sort of a thing that changes everything.
And the idea that the human body is going to get good enough to catch up to that, I think that's ridiculous.
I think what's going to happen is there's going to be some sort of a large-scale genetic engineering of the human body.
Technology is moved by genius people, outliers, a lot of the time.
We're closing down the possibilities for that genius-to-genius mating that would naturally occur to create That's okay because a genius can just shoot a load into a cup and make a million new people from it.
I mean, I think eventually when we figure out how the body is actually created, how organs are created and we figure out the ability to replicate them, we're going to be able to figure out the way to make a super body.
Whether it's through some sort of a genetic manipulation to a person that already exists in a certain form, like in fucking Captain America, when they lock him into that tube and they zap him with all that blue shit and then, ba-boom, he comes out a super person.
I mean, that's not too far away.
Yeah.
Don't you think that seems to me like it would be way easier to do than it would be to send pictures through the air and have it go to someone else in Australia or China or something like that?
That seems to me way more impossible than you can improve a biological unit.
We understand cells.
We understand cell division.
We understand the mitochondria.
The power plants of the cells.
We understand genetics.
We've sort of mapped out the human genome.
Our understanding increases.
Now, we shouldn't say are because it's people far smarter than you or I. But those people, the people at the head of it, their understanding increases every single year.
Their data grows.
Their abilities grow.
It's going to reach some point.
Really, it seems obvious that in the future it's going to reach some point where they're going to be able to make a fucking superhuman.
I mean, all this stuff that exists, terrible feelings, horrible things you see, atrocities, the guy in Brooklyn who lit the woman on fire in the elevator, why do these even exist?
Why does the universe have this as an option?
If this does seem to be some sort of a mechanism or a program that's moving towards a very specific idea or a goal, something specific is going to...
There's something going on.
There's a process that the human being is involved in.
Just like bees making a beehive.
We're involved in some really super complicated process.
I agree with that, but I think that's kind of looking at a linear curve of progress, and I think there's some things missing from our evolution, and I think our spiritual base has gotten thrown way off.
Do you think it's possible that this lack of connection to the spiritual was almost necessary to create this technological fucking bizarro world that we live in with no conscience and no thinking about the future and no planning?
In order for this thing to arise out of the human animal, we need to become some sort of a technological zombie that just creates and goes forth and does its bidding, does the bidding of the technology.
Much like those fucking mushrooms, I think it's a cordyceps mushroom that gets inside the fucking ant's head and makes them explode.
It's almost like technology is what's keeping us from recognizing all these other spiritual realms and keeping us pushing forth in a certain direction, because if you think about it, Without any technology whatsoever, they would never be able to stop mushrooms.
They would never be able to stop pot.
They wouldn't know where anything is.
They wouldn't be able to arrest you.
They wouldn't be able to put you in jail.
They wouldn't be able to make laws.
They wouldn't be able to communicate.
They wouldn't have the news.
There would be nothing.
There would be nothing.
So it would be impossible.
So technology allows people to be suppressed.
As much as it gives them freedom, it also allows people to be suppressed and stay zombies and keep on the task.
Keep on the task.
I wonder, man.
I mean, everything else is natural.
We look at wolves.
Wolves is whatever fucked up thing they do where they push the beta male out and he's going to starve to death.
We look at it's horrible, but we also know that it's natural.
And it happens over and over and over and over again.
And there's, of course, a bunch of different scenarios that can take place.
There's a lot of different things that can happen.
But ultimately, they're moving in the same sort of a natural direction every time.
How do we not know that our lives are not exactly the same way, just far more complex and intertwined, and we're aware of it.
So it gives us this illusion that somehow or another this is just a random series of events.
Yeah, I mean, obviously that's certainly a possibility, but I think that I do strongly believe that there were certain situations in which key people in the wrong moments and key movements in society kind of debilitated this natural spiritual flourishing that should have grown in conjunction with the technology.
Maybe technology was always destined to outpace it a little bit.
There's these structures in place and the shamans have had it figured out.
It's thousands of years of lineage of teaching and how to explore these realms.
Like you say, scuba gear is the perfect analogy.
You know, don't go deep water diving.
Unless you know exactly what you're doing.
But if you do, you can get to these realms that give you direct access to God.
And the reason why religions have pushed against that, if you have direct access to the all, to the universe, to God, whatever name you want to put on it, then you don't need the priests.
And if you don't need the priests, they have no power.
So all of these religions came up putting intermediaries in place so that they could develop these massive power structures using guilt and different mechanisms to control the people.
Well, that was John Marco Allegro's thoughts for the whole creation of the Bible in the first place, that it's suppression of information, that the original stories were hidden in these, you know, these little tales in the Bible with all these little hidden clues, but that really what it was all about was psychedelic mushrooms, that these people were just trying to preserve this information when they were captured by the Romans.
It's fascinating if that is the root of it all.
The root of it all, just a few people trying to keep this experience, this connection to something else going, whether it's real or not, whether it's real or imagined.
Like I said, Christianity may be not real, but fucking helps you for sure.
Well, if something's going on, if it's fake, and yet it still helps.
I know a lot of people, believe it or not, they believe, and because they believe, they've become better, their life's been enriched.
Well, I mean, you also have to think, you know, obviously there needs to be a place for that, and Christianity can fill it, but is it the best tool to fill that?
The difference between like, you know, a lot of people say like, why would you talk bad about someone's ideas when it comes to like Christianity, but yet you espouse all these ridiculous ideas when it comes to drugs?
Well, first of all, it's not all drugs, it's psychedelics.
And second of all, just try one.
Just take a deep mushroom trip and tell me there's not something going on.
It's really one of those things where it's a repeatable experience, you know, anyone You really can.
And then you'll understand what the fuss is all about because it's not as simple as a hallucination.
It's not.
There's definitely some perturbing of your visual senses, your perceptions of the world.
But then there's also a voice and there's a conversation with something that seems outer-worldly that's communicating with you in some sort of a telepathic way.
And there's always a deep insight into how your life works and a really clear illumination of all the issues that you've got going on.
Which is like, why would there be an experience that's both humbling and enlightening and guiding?
Yeah, there's the what is actually happening way, but then there's the simple pragmatic effect of how it affects people who take it.
And overwhelmingly, the people who have taken these with the right intent in the right setting have these mystical experiences that change their life for the positive.
So whatever you're accessing, pragmatically, it's a positive benefit.
It fills this void to find the mystic.
Obviously, myself and you believe that there is something else out there that you're accessing, for sure, and the traditions do as well.
But either way, just on a purely pragmatic approach, it's having positive benefits on a human's life.
Johns Hopkins University did that recent magic mushroom study that they did, improved long-term psychological health.
I mean, this is a legit university.
They're coming to this conclusion after doing tests on people.
The point there is they say they found a sweet spot where we can optimize the positive, persistent effects and avoid some of the fear and anxiety that can occur and be quite disruptive, says lead author Roland Griffiths, professor of behavioral biology at Hopkins.
So what he's essentially saying is, what everyone's been saying, you need a shaman.
A shaman doesn't just throw you out into the fucking woods, but gives you the correct dose and allows you to achieve this state of oneness.
Whatever it is, let's just call it bliss.
So we take out all the woo Let's just call this state of enhanced experience that is a psychedelic bliss.
And that's a hallmark of all psychedelic experiences is the personal reflection.
And eating marijuana.
Eating marijuana is one of the most personal, reflecting things you can do.
That's why a lot of people hate it.
You know, they hate when they go too deep, when they fuck up and eat a brownie, like, you bitch, and then they sit down and freak out about the fucking world.
As much as you think you're looking at the whole thing, I bet you're not looking at it all, because you can't.
In order to get in your fucking car and get on the 405 every day and drive into downtown L.A., The only way you can do that every day is if you compartmentalize your thinking.
And if you're thinking about the very structure of the universe, you get subatomic particles, you start thinking about waves and string theory.
And craziness, and what is cells, and biology, and the different organisms that live in your body, and the healthy bacteria you consume, and yogurt, and fucking acidophilus, and like, what's going on here?
You can't.
There's not enough room for that.
You can't process all that shit, so you gotta put your blinders on.
The best analogy I heard was that taking psychedelics is like a banquet for the spirit.
It takes a while to prepare.
It's very rich.
It takes some time to digest.
You can't do that every day.
And what fills the void, eating dinner in this analogy, is meditation and just doing a little bit.
It could be yoga.
It could be 10 minutes in your house.
But actually finding that point of stillness, In our lives, that's dinner.
And then the banquet is when you get to really go into the void and bring back some knowledge and some different experience.
But I think that would be the one thing, if we could create one rule, and if I could say I had omnipotent power, the one rule would be that there would be some shamanistic tradition that had a coming-of-age custom ceremony in the world in which when you came of age as a society, You know, you had a psychedelic mystical experience with a trained guide with your peers and with your elders and had this community experience, even if it was only just one.
So you got to experience and taste that something else that's wholly other than just yourself and kind of transcend your own ego, even for one evening.
And I think that would make single-handedly the most difference as far as change in society.
You know, that one coming-of-age ritual in which, you know, they got to experience that.
I mean, it sounds so stupid and ridiculous and simple, but it really does.
I mean, in order to accomplish this greater goal, this bizarre, multicultural, uber-complex civilization, it really does require almost every conceivable personality all working together.
Saturdays kind of sucked, but that wasn't your fault.
Shit happened, man.
You just...
You can't get Daryl Wright and a porn star in one room and expect fucking sparks.
If you can figure out a way to do that, to find whatever it is you do that you really get satisfaction with, whether it's carpentry or whether it's painting pictures or whatever the fuck it is, That really is one of the most important things.
And then, no cunts.
Have a no cunt rule.
Just no cunts.
Don't be a cunt.
Just stop it.
You know, when people get mad at me on the message board because I keep fucking pinking people and banning people, the way my message board is set up on JoeRogan.net There's a bunch of moderators, all of them I know personally, or at least I know them online, and they're all really cool.
And they don't want you being a douchebag.
It's really simple.
If you act too annoying, you're trying too fucking hard, you stumble in, piss off people, you get cunty, you just get moved to this stupid room.
In this stupid room, you get a pink name, and now everybody knows you fucked up.
You either acted like an asshole, or you were rude, or...
You got annoying.
Whatever the fuck it is.
You're not being cool.
You're not enhancing things.
And for some reason, people think that you're supposed to, by giving them free speech, you allow them into your little cyber room.
You allow them to be cunts.
People have mistaken free speech for you can be a cunt with no repercussions.
Like, I'm on the internet!
What about free speech?
It's like, this isn't speech.
You're just cunty.
You're allowed to talk, but I don't have to listen.
I shut you off.
I don't want you around.
Do you not understand that you're an unpleasant vibe?
No one's stopping you from starting your own message board.
No one's starting you.
But what they're saying is, in a cyber home, you're not welcome anymore.
Because you're annoying.
Because you come over and you bring a bad vibe.
And people, for whatever fucking reason, because they're so entitled with this sense of anonymity and this unnatural way of behaving that people have because there's no social repercussions, the norm is to be cunty.
The norm is to say bitchy shit that would make me tell you to get the fuck out of my party.
And you think you could just do that.
And they think they could just do it and get away with it.
And you're an asshole if you call them out.
Like, dude, just stop talking about me.
Stop being a dick.
Go away.
Bye-bye.
Imagine having a party.
And some guy comes over and just criticizes everything you're saying and says you're half-retarded and some of your ideas.
Like, oh, okay.
Get out of my fucking house, dude.
Just go.
They don't get it, man.
They don't get it.
There's other ways to communicate, you fuck.
And you're thinking that there's only one way because you've been doing it this way for so fucking long, you actually feel entitled to be a cunt.
Treat it like it's a house.
Would you come over to someone's house and you're meeting them and would you communicate with them like that?
If you would, I would kick you out.
It's really that simple.
Don't think you can come into my cyber house and not get kicked out for being annoying.
But the methylcobalamin is a different type of B12 than the cyanocobalamin.
Cyanocobalamin actually creates a molecular cyanide when it's released into the body, but methylcobalamin is called methyl B12. A lot healthier for the body and a lot better.
But a lot of people take, like an athlete that gets an injection, that's tens of thousands of micrograms of B12. So it's water-soluble, releases any excess, just releases through urine.
So the body will utilize what it can and then just pee out the rest.
Cordyceps, you know, the herd's been in northern Tibet and China.
They're in extremely high altitudes.
And up there in those altitudes, the herds and the people get very sluggish.
And they notice that when a certain type of mushroom was available and on the ground and the herds would eat it, the herds would become particularly active.
And they would be moving around.
They'd have more endurance.
They'd be able to push them harder and they'd be playing more.
And so, you know, back in the day, that was your biggest cue if you were just a person kind of looking around.
So they took a look at these and they tried them themselves and found the same results.
And what we know now is that the cordyceps mushroom, it's actually a symbiont to the ghost moth, which is the host for the mushroom.
And what they believe that it does is the same thing that it does in people And in other animals that ingest it, it increases the oxygen utilization and cellular energy of the animal, of the moth itself, to allow the moth in this extremely high altitude plane to be able to fly better, to be able to fly longer, and actually survive and adapt.
And then when the moth dies, the cordyceps mushroom actually springs out of it.
And so the first people to discover it in form of like real athletic competition was Coach Ma and the Chinese Olympic team back in Beijing.
Are mushrooms going to grow out of your fucking head?
I'm serious, man.
Is it like those ants?
Is it like those ants in the Amazon?
Whatever jungle it is, where those ants get infected by spores, and then those spores explode out of their fucking head and contaminate the other ants.
Until they could only wild cultivate it from these moths.
It was very difficult.
Until Aloha Nutritional, the company that we get it from, Dr. John Holliday, he made some...
Real advances in medicine that allowed him to cultivate it in a competitive substrate that allows the cordyceps to grow and be very effective in a cultivated state.
Yeah, so they grow it in like a brown rice kind of compote substrate.
And what they found is that mushrooms have to compete for a variety of things.
When they come upon a log or any kind of different environment when they're in, depending on what's out there, they will...
Put out anti-competition compounds, which actually both strengthen their own species and also eliminate the other species.
So if there's a bunch of bacteria, they'll excrete certain things to thwart the bacteria that's trying to get at the decomposing lung.
But if there's other mushrooms, there's certain anti-competition compounds available in those mushrooms that's going to allow the mushroom to actually thrive.
And some of those anti-competition compounds are some of the bioactive compounds that are found in the mushrooms.
Other studies have shown varying different degrees, but always oxygen utilization is a key.
And also, adenosine providing increased ATP synthesis versus ADP. The biggest boost that I ever got endurance-wise is when I had my nose fixed because my nose was all fucked up and broken inside.
That was the most amazing, obvious thing that I realized.
But this is a fucking close second.
When I have, like, real hard workouts, man, you know, especially, like, jujitsu class, like, you know, I rolled for the first time in a while last night, and I rolled, like, You know, deep into the class.
Like, a lot of times, you know, you go five or six guys and you just don't want to do it anymore.
You're just done.
But this, like, gets me one extra role.
I feel like it's not easy, but it gets me one extra role.
And at the end of it, where I'm like, wow, I feel like I feel all right.
It 100% gives you a boost.
But it doesn't give me that cracked out, red There's no stimulants in it.
Jack3D makes you fucking, you just feel like you got some energy too.
That stuff's good.
And by the way, we have no affiliation with Jack3D.
Use whichever nitric oxide supplement you enjoy.
But a buddy of mine told me about Jack3D.
He's like, dude, I like this stuff.
When I started taking it, I was like, just give you a little boost.
You know what else is great too?
Beta-alanine.
Beta-alanine, Dr. Ulis told me about this.
Ulis is a famous sports doctor, and he said this is one of the few things that he's noticed over the past few years, supplements that he finds to be really legit as far as muscle building, muscle recovery.
He's found that he makes big gains with this stuff, or quicker gains than he's used to, and he's pretty in tune with his body.
That's another thing about this shroom tech stuff.
I think you have to be in tune with your body.
And, you know, when people ask me, like, hey, what should I buy?
You know, this stuff.
Should I buy that Shroom Tech stuff?
Like, do you work out?
How hard do you work out?
If you don't work out really hard, save your money.
What they do is they actually trigger an innate response from the immune system.
In the body's natural immune system, the gut is responsible for a lot of the natural killer cells that actually fight all the pathogens and entering bacteria, viruses, cancer cells that are shed.
What happens at an early age for us is with all the antibiotics that are in our water that we take, we end up killing scores of these probiotic bacteria in our stomach.
They are no longer available to create the amount of immune cells that can go attack any invading pathogens that get us sick all the time.
So we're at a natural disadvantage.
And they've done a ton of studies on this ioimmune.
They're using it in...
At the same time as cancer patients getting treatment for chemotherapy, at the same time that hepatitis B patients are getting treatment with lamivudine, which is a prescribed pharmaceutical viral therapy, and having dramatically positive results in combination with other treatments because it's raising the body's natural immune system.
And how it does it is these triple right-hand beta-glucan polysaccharide molecules, which are unique to these mushrooms, they are recognized by the body as foreign elements.
And so the body mounts up their charge of innate and natural killers, these T cells and different killer cells, and basically builds an army to deal with this that's actually a benign threat.
The system is supposed to have more natural killer cells in it naturally, innately.
And as I was mentioning, I think you might have been doing something.
But what happens is when the gut gets all that probiotic bacteria gets killed from all the antibiotics in our different foods, we eat water and different drugs, they're not able to produce an adequate quantity.
And the analogy that I use, it's like once you get crabgrass in your lawn, you can sprinkle more seed by taking probiotics.
You can sprinkle more seed over the lawn, but it's not going to kill the crabgrass.
They've taken up and occupied that spot.
So we're operating.
Our natural immune cell producers are not there in the quantity that they should be, that they used to be.
And so, you know, really taking these particular mushroom stimulators is one way that we can actually build our army back up so it can fight off not only the little things, the little colds, the little flus, the little stuff that we just kind of deal with, but also, you know, a lot of the big things start small.
You know, different cells shed different mutated mated cells.
A dendritic cell should be around to just say, oh, that thing's fucked up.
I'm going to eat that.
But a lot of times that doesn't happen just because we don't have the available immune innate response to challenge that.
So Shrimp Tech Immune combines that proprietary compound, IOimmune, which has been well studied in a bunch of the studies, combines it with chaga mushroom, which is also another great mushroom that has a lot of the same triple right-hand helix beta-glucans.
It also has etulinic acid, which comes actually from the birch tree in which it is found.
So wild harvested chaga is actually better for you than cultivated chaga.
Yeah, it's a giant organism that is in the ground.
It's really nuts.
Could you imagine a 37-acre animal?
I mean, you could take chunks of it and make other beings.
You can import them other places.
But essentially, it's one sort of a being.
And it's like a network.
If mushrooms really do have intelligence, like when you eat There's a lot of people that believe that plants have a certain intelligence.
They just don't have the ability to communicate.
But if these mushrooms somehow have an ability to communicate because they're all connected like that and they have this intelligence they can communicate with each other, that's some incredible information superhighway that's in the forest up there.
Alpha brain is a very fucking polarizing subject I've found on the internet.
It's a fascinating thing, man.
Nootropics, you know, we've been talking about nootropics on my message board for like the longest time and I've been experimenting with them for years.
But until we started getting in the business of actually selling them, I didn't realize how cunty people can be about these things.
But one of the criticisms, and I think there's some legitimacy to this, is the way it's marketed.
And one of the things is...
And, you know, it's not on purpose, I don't think.
I think the way you set it up was you're just trying to be enthusiastic about it.
And the problem, somebody once said that, I forget where I wrote this, I believe I read it today, it might have been on the message board, but it was about in first impression that it's very difficult to take that back.
And once you create something and you put something out there and people get an idea of who you are, it's very difficult for them to correct that and normalize.
So you have to be really careful what your initial first thing is.
And one of the things that we get criticized with is this guy, Steve Novella, who's, I don't know, some super smart dude.
Yeah, and I think, you know, I think looking at that criticism, I think in any variety of criticism, I mean, I think you have to just learn and adapt and get better from it.
And I think he, you know, I think he has a very skeptical mindset, which I think in a lot of avenues is very positive, but I think...
You know, it can be overdone.
He actually runs a few shows called, you know, The Skeptic, some Skeptic Hour or some variety of different things.
So he has that kind of framework in mind.
But, you know, some of his criticisms are fair, you know, really.
And what, you know, taking that criticism and, you know, a lot of criticism from the board that even if it's very negatively put, applying that has helped, I believe, you know, us to become better, at least myself as a person, to become better as far as marketing that and You know, there's certain areas that you got to shore up and you got to be tighter and you got to be better and really try and present information so that just people have as much information as possible, can make educated decisions.
I mean, the many people who take AlphaBrain and have had amazing results, you know, that is, you know, that will be evidence for, you know, for a lot of people to give it a try.
And, you know, if they don't like it, then they can get their money back and they don't even have to send the bottle back in.
I think there's a certain sensitivity to Hipersea serrata, which is creating an acetylcholine boost, and that's something that we're addressing in future formulas.
It'll actually make somebody feel, potentially, and this is our best estimation of what's happening, but it seems like the case.
When they take too big of a dose, the acetylcholine levels get too Yeah, I tell people take one.
I like a light meal, especially if you're on taking one.
Maybe not a completely dead, empty stomach.
But if you pile it on to a giant cheeseburger, you've got so much stuff going on, it's going to be very difficult and it might just get pushed through.
I mean, overwhelmingly, the response has been positive.
I mean, we get those people.
All those people contact us for their money back.
We give them their money back.
And it's a very, very small percent.
I mean, that rate, I would have to say, is less than one out of every 200. But, you know, it is definitely a bummer and it's something we want to address.
And at least, especially by telling people to start conservative with their dosage.
And then taking a look at the Huperzia serrata.
And we actually have, you know, have some things in mind for the proper, you know, proper balances of Huperzia serrata to GPC choline to make sure that those are going to be better tolerated throughout the future of AlphaBrain.
Hopefully, just like I said, you learn and you try and improve and be the best product for everybody.
I think for some people, it won't work.
For some people, they may have an adverse reaction, but the overwhelming majority has spoken very positively.
It's great to hear that feedback from the product.
There's one of the dudes who's on the message board.
His name is James MMA. Very bright guy, and he's one of the skeptics or critics.
And you had a conversation with him about, he had asked you how it works, improving cognitive function, like what the fuck it does.
And you said basically that alpha brain is designed to provide the precursors and raw nutrients necessary to raise levels of important neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine, and GABA. Now, how is that done?
What's the mechanism that allows it to raise these levels of these important neurotransmitters?
Well, it just depends on which neurotransmitter you're talking about.
But if you're talking about acetylcholine, we come at that in two fronts.
The GPC choline is one of the raw nutrients involved in the production of acetylcholine.
So by providing more of the raw ingredient, it allows the body to produce more.
And then huperzi serrata is coming at a different angle.
That's actually inhibiting...
It's actually inhibiting the amount of acetylcholine that the body breaks down.
So it's providing more acetylcholine from a kind of a different angle by actually creating a surplus of what you currently have rather than the GPC choline, which is creating more raw material to provide the acetylcholine.
And the other neurotransmitters fall more along the lines of the GPC choline, where you're just providing the raw nutrients to allow the body to take the steps to produce those raw nutrients and turn those into the neurotransmitters.
And this is actually another thing.
This is the foundation of the new mood formula, which is providing...
There's four major neurotransmitters, as identified by Dr. Braverman.
And the other one is serotonin.
And 5-HTP... is the direct precursor to serotonin and in the same way in that product by providing the raw nutrient that the body then converts into serotonin you create a surplus of serotonin without having to take any other kind of prescription drugs and there's actually a cool study on that front to illustrate the point there's actually been a bit more research on the serotonin effect because of the massive Amounts of SSRI and prescription drugs in that field.
There's been a good amount of study done on 5-HTP. Dr. Poldinger had a study in 1991 where he compared 5-HTP to fluvoxamine, which is a SSRI, and the study showed that the...
And basically it showed that the 5-HTP dosage, which was 100 milligrams a few times a day, was equal to the fluvoxamine in efficacy, but far outpaced it as far as tolerance, just because the body was able to go through its natural process and create more of its serotonin.
And the study turned out extremely positively.
The problem is that there's no patent available on 5-HTP. So, you know, everybody can go out and get it.
They can buy our product.
They can buy anybody else's product and get those similar effects.
But in the people studied, in the many studies that they've done, 5-HTP has shown a dramatic improvement in those And the new mood is mixed with L-tryptophan as well.
Yeah, L-tryptophan.
So the chain reaction goes, L-tryptophan converts to 5-HTP, and then 5-HTP converts to 5-HT, which is actually serotonin.
If you ingested pure 5-HT, the body would destroy it and it wouldn't get anywhere.
But following it through the chain, the body's able to do that, especially with the help of vitamin B6, pyridoxine.
It's able to kind of complete that chain reaction of L-tryptophan to becoming 5-HTP to becoming serotonin.
So NuMood is pretty unique in that it has both L-tryptophan and 5-HTP as well as the catalyst vitamin B6. So while I'd love to study this in the future, the theory behind it being that we're creating both a more immediate transition between the 5-HTP to 5-HT and then a longer term transition between the L-tryptophan and To the 5-HTP to the 5-HT. So kind of providing a further spectrum along the chain.
And then we also combine it with a bunch of anxiolytic herbs, herbs to kind of relax you and, you know, help you help with insomnia.
One of our herbs, valerian, actually has a similar study.
The study done by Dr. Poldinger is comparing it to an over-the-counter, not an over-the-prescription drug called oxypasm, which is in the same category of a benzo.
It's a benzo.
It's the same category as Xanax.
And it compared valerian to oxypazin with the similar results to the 5-HTP study being that valerian had the same anxiolytic insomnia reducing effects but without the negative side effects of that.
So that's another powerful herb in the combination and a few others as well just to kind of ease your body into a state of relaxation and positive neurotransmitter boosting fundamentals.
Well, the dream effect is something that a lot of our, you know, the takers really enjoy.
And that's caused by, you know, I think I mentioned this in the last time, but that's caused by acetylcholine being the regulator of the REM state.
So, with more acetylcholine, you have a deeper and broader REM state, and REM being the dream state, you're able to access longer periods of that dreaming unconsciousness, so to speak, and also have more of a chance of turning those dreams lucid because of the breadth of the dream state that you're in, and also waking up during one of those states in which you will remember your dreams a lot better than if you wake up during one of the really deep, slow-wave, non-dreaming sleeps.
I think if you take it during the day, your levels are still going to be enhanced for quite a while.
So I don't like to take it at night.
The latest I'll take it would be around 3, 4 o'clock because there is a kind of a stimulatory effect from the acetylcholine as well.
And REM is not the deepest part of your sleep.
It's actually one of the lighter parts.
So I do like to take it a little bit earlier.
I still get that dream kind of, the wild dream boost where I'm You know, like the other night where I was pulling a hammerhead shark out of a swimming pool and doing a variety of different crazy things, I still get that boost taking it early in the day.
And I think a lot of people will as well, but I would recommend that more than anything.
And then taking something like the New Mood, you would take that at night to kind of relax you and still make sure you're getting the most out of the restorative parts of your sleep as well.
So one of the things this guy is saying is sometimes, just as something I do know via my own studies in neuroscience, the vast majority of people do not have a particular deficiency in acetylcholine, dopamine, or GABA. Well, there's certainly different theories on that.
I mean, I think in the optimal state of being with perfect diet, perfect sleep, good health, good workouts, and all of that, probably you're optimally functioning.
Does that mean that going above optimal functioning is okay from time to time and actually has some benefit and value?
I believe it does.
I believe you can, even if you are naturally healthy at a baseline, we're not trying to cover a deficiency.
We're not trying to cure a disease.
We're trying to give people You know, a feeling, a boost that can help them, you know, function and maneuver and accomplish their goals, whatever varied they may be.
So, you know, I think that, A, I do think that a lot of people are a little bit run down.
And I know I rely on Dr. Braverman of the Princeton Brain Bio Lab.
He did a lot of work there and he's doing a lot of active work now.
As the basis for kind of my thinking on this, but he did a bunch of tests on me, and I'm a fairly healthy dude.
I eat well, and I do my best to stay in shape, but all of my levels of neurotransmitters were actually depressed below.
And before I went to see him, I'd been doing a little partying.
He was in New York, so I saw some buddies in New York, went out to the bars.
And, you know, it made sense to me that my neurotransmitters were functioning at a lower level at that point because I could feel it.
I was kind of cloudy, kind of groggy.
And he pointed to that in all of the myriad tests he did.
We did tests over five days, blood tests and different cognitive tests and different things.
And found that.
And I think a lot of people operate on that, you know, just by the lifestyles that they live.
They operate in this state where they're under a lot of stress and they're under a lot of, you know, different things like caffeine and alcohol and these things that are causing adrenaline and different...
Different functionality to happen so that there are more people who have at least temporary deficiencies in a lot of these neurotransmitters.
And then for the people who don't, getting this extra boost might just be a little bit over the top.
I mean, but there are certainly a lot of healthy people, and they may have adequate levels, but it still doesn't invalidate the point of having an alpha brain.
I still do think that you can feel even better.
I mean, these are nutrients that are going to drive you in a certain direction.
So, you know, there's kind of both sides of the coin there, I guess, depending on how you look at it.
And here's the subtle yet cunty last question that he has.
I'm curious as to why it took so long to answer this question, given that you answered questions before and I asked this one, before I asked this one and questions after, when it should be the easiest question for you to answer.
I think it's good to think about all these things.
As much criticism as I get personally and as on it gets, I think ultimately if you take what you may call the crunchiness out of it, there's this real reflection on yourself that you can take a gaze at.
It's like fighters who either train with people who all love you and care about you.
You go with savages that want to Kill you and take your head off.
Well, you'll learn more from the savages.
You'll learn different things about yourself, holes in your game and weaknesses.
I think actually, even talking to you, it's not an easy thing to learn, but learning to just take the meat of the criticism and try and not take the barbs of it.
I know you kind of created a lot of what the website is, but I go to the website and there's certain stuff I look at.
I'll go, this is a little fucking market-y.
You know what I mean?
I will.
We'll go over it.
We'll go over it.
Because I don't personally think it needs to be that way.
I think the product stands on its own and I think the subject is very interesting.
And what I always tell people on the program is just look into nootropics.
I mean, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you address some of the shit that's been said and let people know there's no evidence whatsoever that any of this stuff is dangerous, right?
So the Shroom Tech Sport provides that kind of energy element, and then the Shroom Tech Immune provides the health element that was the second component.
And when you have anything that they can criticize, anything, any weakness in the link that they can point to and go, oh, he sells fucking alpha nails.
Some of the fighters say that, you know, they put it on their toes because if they've been stomped in the toe and their nail is going to fall off, it'll hide that potential damage.
Some people just say, you know...
I don't know.
There's a few practical reasons.
Also that it prevents chipping and kind of your nail from breaking, coming apart and heavy training.
Like with food items, any of the grocery items, you can have it so it sets every month just to automatically send you certain items like I did with coconut water and stuff like that.
This is a guy that doesn't know about me or anything.
This is just a creepy guy, because he does it to a lot of girls.
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And you look at his Twitter, and he's just like this angry, like, man, what if I... Maybe he's waiting for a chick to say, yeah, come fucking rape the shit out of me, son.
you know so they can do that somehow or another they get into your account like if you i don't know what you have to do but there must be some legal way they're doing it because it can't be as simple as they get your password because they don't seem to be sending a bunch of other shit out with it it's just this one tweet that keeps repeating about you know sign up for an ipad too that seems to be the one that everybody gets ganked with well that's a money market they probably just have the most machines pointed at hacking how do they do that how are they getting are they
They found out there was some sort of, what is it, IQ client?
Is that what it is?
ICQ client, I don't know.
There was a program they found running in the background of droids that was storing every single stroke that you made, every number that you dialed, every word that you sent a text message, and sending it to a database somewhere.
Yeah, well, I think the number one thing that's going to happen is some of the people that are in power have to slowly die off.
They have to get old and pass on.
And then the young people have to move into a position of power where they kind of...
Grow up with the internet and grow up with a better understanding of how they're perceived and how the world works and how things don't have to be as greedy and fucked up and corrupt as they are.
Halliburton didn't have to make that much money.
Enron didn't have to make that much money.
So much of what happened didn't have to happen.
So much of the money that changed hands and so much of the transactions that transpired, they weren't necessary.
It got too crazy.
And I think the upcoming generations will see that.
And I think that this talk of the return of Quetzalcoatl, the new type of man that's going to change things, I think really what that may be is just the movement.
And I think we're all part of that kind of new person that's arriving, that new consciousness that's creating itself.
And I think there will be leaders that will emerge from that movement.
But the movement itself is what's key.
All of us who are, you know, playing our part, kind of expanding, you know, what we're open to in our beliefs and both riding that balance between skepticism and an open mind, you know, have to be, you have to have both and you have to have, have that kind of truth seeking aspect to yourself to know.
You know, find the ways between that psyllid and charybdis of the skepticism and the, you know, too open and naivete and find where the truth lies.
And I think that's going to be the key trait of what we need to do here going forward.
And that's going to create the movement that will inspire the leaders, hopefully.
I hope we don't have to rebuild civilization because that would fucking suck.
Because I live around too many dummies.
There's just too many dummies out there to just rely on the people that are at hand right now and have some sort of an even vote and have everything work right.
But the more we do preemptively, like the more you go out there and push aggressively now, the better that's going to be.
If we just kind of let things happen, that snowball comes crashing hard.
But if we're out there pushing now, like we're doing here on the podcast, playing our small part, everybody else playing their small part to open their consciousness, open their friend's consciousness, and find that truth, then hopefully it'll fall a little less hard when it actually comes to crash.
Listen, Aubrey, you got a lot of haters on my message board.
One of the reasons is because you changed your fucking name to Aubrey.
The other is because you're a little bit too handsome and dudes don't like that.
It makes them uncomfortable.
Then there's all the marketing stuff, but people always ask me, why am I involved with you?
Why am I involved with this?
Because...
I know you, and I know you're a really good dude.
You're 100% legit, and the reason why I'm involved with you is because you're that guy.
You're 100% legit.
A lot of people are skeptical, and I totally understand that.
I give you the stamp.
I give you a stamp of approval.
You're an exceptional human being.
I appreciate it.
Every time we talk on the podcast, I enjoy the fuck out of it.
I enjoy hanging out with you.
It's always cool.
Thank you to everybody for tuning in.
We appreciate you, even the fucking haters.
As we said, without you, we would not have that Harsh, brutal criticism that sometimes makes you really see things from a different perspective.
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Ice House, this Friday the 23rd, right?
We're doing a show?
And this will be our second anniversary.
We are number one on the comedy section of iTunes right now.
Praise Odin!
Thank you to everybody who tunes in.
The thing about the iTunes that's the most satisfying to us is that everybody told us that you shouldn't have your shit on Stitcher, you shouldn't have your shit on Ustream, you shouldn't have your shit on Vimeo, because then it'll affect your iTunes numbers.
The fact that we have the number one podcast in the comedy section of iTunes on top of all that other stuff that we do, having it out there in the app, having it as an RSS feed, just means you guys are enjoying it, and that means the fucking world to me, and I could not be happier.
We love doing it.
We're never going to stop doing it, and we're never going to start charging money for it.
Yeah, we talked to him a little bit about how he can't say that he smokes weed, and that he fucked up when he released the information for The Ultimate Fighter.