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Dec. 20, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #167 - Aubrey Marcus
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aubrey marcus
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brian redban
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joe rogan
Are we live?
brian redban
Yeah!
joe rogan
Holy shit.
For reals?
unidentified
For realsies.
joe rogan
The Joe We're Gonna Experience podcast is brought to you by the fleshlight.
I'm a stumbling fuck, you know that?
When I start these things off, it's almost like maybe I should pretend to do a podcast for like 10 minutes before I do a podcast just to warm my fucking stupid face up.
brian redban
Well, it's also the freshness of just coming off of getting stoned, too.
Shh, don't stop!
joe rogan
The world is listening!
Jesus, Brian!
Back to our sponsor.
We don't work for ESPN. The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, imagine if we did.
brian redban
Yeah, I was listening to that, man.
Josh Gross.
That was interesting.
joe rogan
He can't...
brian redban
That's weird hanging out with people that can't, because we're so used to hanging out with comics.
Hanging out with somebody that has to be like, oh, I can't smoke something because I don't want to get fired.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, he's a writer.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, do you want the writers to suck?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you don't want the writers to smoke weed?
Are you crazy?
Do you not want colorful prose?
Do you not want, you know, an imaginative piece?
Do you not want something that engages you and captures your imagination and lets you think, wow, this guy is coming from a very unique point of view?
Instead of the same tired old stupid shit.
Listen to ESPN. Let your people have some flavor.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like Disney not letting their artists eat mushrooms.
joe rogan
Well, I bet they also wouldn't.
If I had a thing with ESPN, I bet they wouldn't let me be sponsored by the flashlight.
I bet that's an issue.
I bet that's an issue with people.
aubrey marcus
It's athletic.
joe rogan
It is athletic.
It's true.
It's not like it does it itself.
It's technology applied to something that people are scared of.
aubrey marcus
Exactly.
unidentified
Scared of people knowing that you masturbate.
Scared of people knowing that you give yourself pleasure.
joe rogan
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He used to be Chris.
aubrey marcus
No longer.
joe rogan
Some shit went down in the jungle.
How many people can say that?
What's your name?
Well, most people know me as Chris, but my name is Aubrey because some shit went down in the jungle.
aubrey marcus
Serious shit.
Yeah, that's a good one.
joe rogan
We're going to get involved with all that stuff.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Aubrey and I are going to restructure the earth today.
We've decided.
We're going to figure out a better way to run this, you dirty little fuckers.
Anyway, if you go to JoeRogan.net, click on the AlphaBrain link, enter in the code name ROGAN, you will get 10% off.
Or don't, alright?
I'm tired of you whiny little internet twats.
You don't have to buy the vitamins.
You don't have to enjoy.
You don't have to be healthy.
You can smoke cigarettes.
You can drink whiskey.
unidentified
You can do whatever the fuck you want.
joe rogan
But if you're interested in the subject of nootropics, I suggest that you go online and do some research.
It's a very interesting topic and there's a lot of evidence to support the idea that there are certain nutrients that enhance the way your brain works.
There are days, we all know this, where you don't feel clear.
You feel like shit.
You feel cloudy.
What is that, folks?
What gentle balance is off when you're having off days?
And can that be enhanced with nutrition?
I believe it can.
And if you are interested in it, I encourage you to just go look up the subject before you buy anything.
Read some of the things that have been written and draw your own conclusions.
Be objective about it.
I also suggest that if you think that our stuff is too expensive, to just copy the ingredients, man.
Just go online, buy your shit in bulk, copy it, good luck to you.
I swear to God, we're not that greedy.
The proof that we're not that greedy is if you don't like it, there's a 100% money back guarantee.
Who the fuck else does that?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
You can't do it any cleaner.
Okay, I know if you don't believe in vitamins, you say you piss them all out.
That's all good, dude.
I know from personal experience, from actual health issues, that vitamins have a key benefit in your well-being.
100%.
Your health and well-being are affected by vitamins.
I don't care.
You know, the bullshit about, you know, studies that disprove, studies that prove, I don't think you can accurately get an assessment about that unless we get into some really fucking much more detailed tests of diet and exercise and, you know, and test people that aren't doing it and test people that aren't, and then draw your conclusions.
But I think vitamins enhance.
I absolutely feel like they enhance.
So buy our shit or not, whatever.
Whatever, whatever.
We got a lot of shit to talk about.
Cue the music, Brian.
brian redban
All right.
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan
Oh, I'll never get tired of hearing that.
unidentified
Bye.
joe rogan
you That was the coolest moment of my life as a professional broadcaster.
What's that UFO sound, Brian?
What are you trying to do with us?
brian redban
I don't know how to stop that thing.
joe rogan
What is it?
brian redban
It'll go away after a while.
It was some special effects that I was doing early on.
aubrey marcus
It's the outro.
joe rogan
Brian, it's not going away.
brian redban
Now it's just in your head.
joe rogan
No, come on, Brian, you gotta shut that off.
Do you really not know how to shut that off?
brian redban
It's gone.
joe rogan
This will just last until a slow beat.
Now it's going to drive me crazy because I'm going to hear a beat every 30 seconds.
I'm going to hear it in the background.
A little constant distraction.
That's not a good sound effect.
Let's not use that one again.
How about that?
Freaking everybody out, man.
There's a lot of people that listen to this podcast, man, and they're on some shit.
brian redban
They're going to heart it.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You can't freak them out with fucking alien noises.
Did you see that spaceship?
It was on like, I believe it was Engadget, or Gizmodo, one of those gadget websites, where they were talking about, there's all these photos of this crazy spacecraft that the government was driving on the back of a truck.
Yeah, it was like through Kansas.
I mean, who knows what the fuck it was?
It could have been a weather balloon, a drone.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, they're all weather balloons, right?
joe rogan
Well, they know that we're using drones now, because a guy was arrested.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a cattle dispute.
I mean, the only way this even makes sense is that someone must have insane money and hate this guy, because the story doesn't make any sense.
But they used a drone to determine that there was cows in this guy's property that weren't his, and that he did not alert the other ranch that their cattle had wandered onto his.
And they used a drone to determine this.
And I'm like, Jesus Christ.
How does this other guy get that drone?
Find out who that guy is and follow him.
That guy who can call someone and say, Hey, yeah, I'm having a cow problem with my asshole neighbor.
Can I borrow one of those fucking drones?
Can I borrow one of those predator things and search around this asshole's property?
Holy shit, man.
Is that like a crazy violation?
And the only thing they could catch on him was that some cows had wandered over to his property?
What the fuck, man?
aubrey marcus
How many cows worth of money does it cost to hire a drone?
unidentified
Yeah!
brian redban
Sounds like an episode of American Dad.
It does!
You know what I mean?
Like, this guy's just abusing his power.
Like, I'll just take my drone over there.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it sounds like.
It sounds like South Park or something.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking completely ridiculous.
Yeah, they caught the guy with...
I should look up the actual full story.
Drone use cattle case.
unidentified
Does that sound right?
brian redban
Did you know Seth MacFarlane's up for a Grammy?
He's against like Barbra Streisand right now because he has a music CD now.
What?
Yeah, like he's a, I don't know, he's like a singer.
joe rogan
Cattle-wrestling family.
Maybe my take on it is wrong because they're addressing them as a cattle-wrestling family.
So they're saying that these people were stealing cattle, I guess.
Armed with a search warrant, the Nelson County Sheriff Keith Janke went looking for six missing cows.
Wow, really?
That's it?
Six cows?
You use a fucking drone to find six cows?
Wow, this is creepy.
brian redban
That's American data.
aubrey marcus
There's some old laws against horse stealing and cattle thieves that are super harsh just from the day they were made.
joe rogan
But this is the first instances of this, right?
Is this something that the Patriot Act allows for?
It must be.
brian redban
Having drones?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not kidding.
brian redban
Damn.
joe rogan
No, I'm not kidding.
brian redban
How else are we going to get fucked?
Are we going to have drones following us at Toys R Us?
joe rogan
Well, you know, even worse, the NDAA that just passed, the National Defense Authorization Act, that's really scary.
Because it allows them to treat the United States as a battlefield.
And that means that they can stop things with troops.
They're going to use our military against American citizens.
It's like a war against the people, like a civil war.
It's really completely insane.
And the indefinite detention, the fact that you don't have to have a warrant.
If they think you're a threat, they can just detain you indefinitely.
And you see John McCain out there supporting that.
You're like, wow, man.
You don't see where this is going to go?
You really think that that should be allowed?
aubrey marcus
You start to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
Obama authorizing 20,000 extra troops here for the domestic front.
I think you sent a tweet out about that.
joe rogan
So scary.
aubrey marcus
You start to put the pieces together.
It looks like they know some shit's going to go down and they're preparing for the instance in which it does, which is scary.
joe rogan
It looks like the only way this would be getting passed, the only way this would be accepted by so many people and not enrage others is that they know there's going to be a massive civil unrest.
They know there's going to be something nutty.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, you get that feeling for sure.
joe rogan
That's terrifying.
aubrey marcus
It is terrifying.
But as I thought about it, too, I mean, back in the days where you crushed rebellions, you know, there's plenty of tyrannies that have crushed rebellions throughout history.
There was always certain factors present.
There was a lack of information able to circulate.
They would close down those things.
The government's hinting at different ways of trying to do that, but I don't think they'll ever be successful.
The internet's too prevalent.
It's too powerful.
As you've said, they'll build ways around it.
They'll find ways to communicate.
And then also, the people they were suppressing were generally not as well-armed as the people who are trying to suppress them.
So they had an overwhelming...
You know, force majeure of technological superiority in their arms.
But this is a well-armed nation, and I just can't imagine that even our troops, the some that are brainwashed or not, would ever really want to take out their real guns against our citizens.
But the citizens, when pushed hard enough, you know, we're all armed.
I mean, at a certain point where, you know, they're abusing our people grandly, and it could get really bad.
And I just can't imagine that it could get to that level.
joe rogan
I can't imagine that it can either, but it really seems like they're preparing for it.
And when you see how things have slid in certain parts of this country, how far things have gone.
Like, have you ever seen any of the documentaries on Detroit?
They show you how bad it is there now?
47% illiteracy rate.
I mean, functional illiteracy rate.
47%.
That's half the people can't read.
That's incredible.
And these houses that are up for sale for like $1,000, $500, just abandoned building after abandoned building.
It's like, wow.
We know in our lifetime that this has all changed.
We know.
We know it's possible for things to go horribly wrong, completely fall apart.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I agree.
I just think that final step that they're trying to prepare for is a step that's ultimately destined for failure.
They won't be able to pull that trigger.
It's kind of like in the nuclear age, there's a certain level of warfare that you just can't do.
You can't get mass a group of people and attack another country that has a nuclear armament because they'll just use the nuke.
You can't push the Americans too hard because we're all fucking armed.
And we're all going to be able to communicate with each other.
There's a certain boundary point where it's destined to fail.
So I think they have a weird strategy.
It's like they're preparing for something, but the endgame can't work.
They can't push that final button where they put live rounds in the troops and start shooting us.
We just will not fucking allow that under any circumstance.
And that's what the founders in creating the Second Amendment, I believe they had in mind, was not to protect against our enemies, but also against our own government, misusing the power of the armies.
joe rogan
It's funny how few people are willing to engage that idea, you know, willing to even throw it out there that it's possible that there could be some sort of a massive civil war in this country and that literally we might have troops, American troops, fighting against Americans.
Nobody wants to think that.
Nobody wants to think that that's possible.
You know, that's why when, you know, they talk about the Second Amendment, you know, allowing for an armed militia, right?
Isn't that like part of the...
aubrey marcus
Yeah, well-regulated militia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And people go, what?
You know, you're going to rise against the government?
Just ten years ago, that sounded like nonsense.
That sounded like the stupidest thing in the world.
Like, why the fuck would you do that?
This is the greatest country on earth.
But within the ten years since 9-11...
stood for to me and to I think a lot of us.
It's just, it's been shit on.
It's been used.
It's just like, one of the reasons why everybody was so horrified after 9-11, it's like, you know, people who don't pay that much attention to foreign politics, they don't know exactly what all the complaints are and what countries we're occupying, what sacred land we they don't know exactly what all the complaints are and what countries we're occupying, what sacred land
If they don't understand what the actual reason for someone being pissed off at us for, their view of the United States most likely is really pretty rosy.
We're the peacekeepers of the world.
And yeah, Vietnam was a little shady, but we did fuck up Hitler.
And Japan was ready to take over.
We took care of that nonsense too.
Russia, we bankrupt them bitches.
All right, we're good.
We got this.
But you dig deeper and you pay more attention to it and you go, look at what could happen in 10 years.
Look how it can just slide away from you in 10 years.
Things like the Patriot Act, things like tapping into people's fucking cell phones on a regular basis with no warrants, and the fact that the Patriot Act was only used a handful of times for actual terrorist attacks, but was used hundreds and thousands of times for drugs.
Hundreds and thousands of times.
I forget the real number, but it was just a ridiculous, disproportionate number where the majority of the times they used the Patriot Act was for drugs.
aubrey marcus
That's what people...
Yeah, I mean, if you allow that power, it's going to be used in whatever means possible.
That's why...
You know, preventing these things like that act that just passed is so vital because you give a law, you know, you let a law pass with one intention.
Well, it doesn't really matter what the intentions are.
Even the people trying to pass them may have those intentions.
But ultimately, with that power enabled, the corruption is inevitable and it happens extremely fast.
And that's even a benevolent kind of view.
The other view is, yeah, we'll get it passed under these auspices and then we'll really use it to, you know, to do whatever their other means are.
joe rogan
The setup that they have now where the They're allowed to come up with laws, and then these few handful of motherfuckers that have gotten to the cool kids party, they get to vote on everything, that it goes through the Senate, and it goes through Congress, and they agree to it, and then if the president doesn't veto it, that's it.
It went through this X amount of people.
300 million people are changed now and affected by this corrupt, stupid, fucking, shitbag, unconstitutional idea that these fuckheads passed.
And it's just somehow or another they're allowed to do that.
That's a ridiculous form of government.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
I mean, representative or not, that's stupid.
That's a terrible way for really important shit to get introduced into our culture.
And the fact that that is the way the system is set up, ultimately the whole thing needs to be radically overhauled.
It's not like a little minor tweak.
It needs to be radically overhauled because there's so much that gets done and so much that sucks out there that we just follow it because it's written somewhere and because everybody agreed to it at one point in time.
But as we've gotten older and you get a much better grasp on how fucked up the world really is and how ridiculous some of the laws that are in place.
What the actual origin of those laws are and the fact that they're actually based in real, clear, measurable corruption.
It should be like a fuckload of people should be in jail, is what it should be.
But instead, it's just kind of like, it is the law.
It's the way it is.
It's on the paper.
aubrey marcus
I think there's two ways to approach it.
And I think one of the interesting things that we're going to do is, you know, there's two problems.
One is what's wrong with, you know, currently the society that we're in and how to bridge that gap.
But I think as important as anything is to just start fresh, take away all that momentum, all of those, you know, different people trained in the different ways, what you expect, and just kind of start from scratch and say, if you could start from scratch, you know, how could you set this up?
Knowing what we know now, And knowing the different pathways that history have already paved, how do you prevent these disasters?
How do you prevent this corruption?
How do you create a model that will create momentum going the other way?
And then the question just becomes, how do you bridge these two situations?
Is it possible?
Is it possible to go from our current situation to the ideal situation?
If so, how?
And then kind of fill that in.
joe rogan
Well, the real issue is financial.
Like, what do you do with all the money?
Do you divvy it up?
What do you do?
You know, and there's a lot of people out there that are at zero right now that would love that.
They would love, like, everybody gets a fair shake, man!
Everybody gets a fair piece!
Which is not supposed to be how it is.
Everybody has the opportunity to go out and make money by whatever means you want to do it.
And if your means are unsuccessful, it doesn't mean the system sucks.
It means that for whatever reason, whether you're in a saturated environment or whether, you know, the The job that you want is highly touted, and it's one that everybody wants to get, and there's a lot of competition.
Is that what it is?
What is the reason, ultimately, you're not able to do what you're doing?
Because there's got to be a reason for it.
Yes, the situation we're currently in economically sucks, but I think a lot of these dudes are just willing to lay down.
A lot of these dudes are willing to go, it's rigged!
The thing is rigged, man!
They're not even willing to try to figure out some way through it.
We all know that at the beginning of, I mean, I'm sure you must have felt this at points in your life, and I certainly felt it as a struggling comedian.
There's points where you feel like you're not going to make it.
You feel like this is a ridiculous pursuit.
I'm a fucking failure.
If I was doing that, and then I thought, if I had these self-defeating thoughts, and then I thought that the system was rigged, If I was going to college to get some sort of a job in business, then I realized the system is rigged, and now I'm in that self-defeating stage, and then I'm marching around, that might not necessarily be the best move for you.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, no, that's going to cause an end to the situation prematurely, for sure.
joe rogan
I think people recognize that about any big, giant movement, is that they're not entirely pure.
Oh, sure.
There's a lot of people that are in this Occupy movement that make a lot of fucking sense.
There's a lot of people that are saying a lot of really important shit, And then there's a lot of crazy assholes.
brian redban
And there's a lot of people that pee themselves.
joe rogan
Exactly.
aubrey marcus
I read an interesting piece on that, and there's a Dutch economist, I think this guy Habermas, and his point was that they're leading this almost anarchist movement without any set defined principles.
As a form of kind of awareness for self-correction by the majority.
Basically saying that there's nothing that they can say.
No bill, no law, no rule that will be respected enough to actually come out and say, do this.
Because the whole system is so corrupt and nepotistic and circular that somehow they would get that concession and then it would be over.
But by creating this kind of anarchist Where they're just in certain areas and they're just there, they're causing people like us to be more aware, to heighten that sense of self-awareness and self-critical side of things and may actually affect the majority to change in a much broader level than if they actually had demands and actually started to do it.
Yeah, I mean, you can criticize the people.
I mean, I think I've said it before, playing hacky sack out on the Austin City Hall, you know, is not exactly going to inspire the most amount of people, but it is going to cause people to talk about it and cause, you know, room for self-reflection.
And I think that kind of, you know, anarchist protest, almost, which is what it is, is effective in that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it definitely gets an energy out there.
And that energy is most certainly interpreted with no question whatsoever.
Everybody's mad.
This is not good.
We're not happy.
And we're so unhappy that we're going to camp out in tents.
It's really kind of ridiculous.
And then it has to be, do we unite with these people and try to bring them all back?
Or is it us against them?
And when it becomes us against them, and then they start preparing for us against them with this NDAA thing, That's what it sounds like to me.
It sounds like they're preparing for some sort of almost military-style civil unrest in this country.
aubrey marcus
Well, the pain is only just minor at this point, really.
joe rogan
It's nothing.
Look what's going on in Egypt, man.
Did you see some of these beatings in Egypt?
They're beating the fuck out of these protesters, man.
I mean, beat them to death.
It's horrendous, man.
Horrendous shit.
It's really, really hard to watch.
These people running down the street, there are hundreds of them, and they encounter like one or two protesters and just club the fuck out of them.
While they're unconscious, they're jumping on them and booting them in the head and cracking them full blast in the head with batons while they're unconscious.
This guy jumped on this woman.
One guy was dragging her, and this guy jumped and stomped on her chest.
She was a woman.
She had a bra on.
It was like a blue bra.
She was skinny.
And he just jumped up and stomped down on her chest.
It is inhumane.
It's horrific to watch.
And that country right now is fucked.
It's the new boss, same as the old boss.
All of a sudden, this guy who had been running shit as a dictator for 20 plus years is gone.
And who the fuck runs things?
No, I do.
No, I do.
And then there's a jockeying.
And there's just crazy lawlessness now.
It's horrific to watch, man.
When you see that.
When you see these protesters getting beaten like that, man.
The savagery involved.
It's just like, man, you have no concern for their health or well-being.
And people were running, shooting.
Just running and shooting guns.
Running forward towards these people.
Towards the protesters and just shooting guns.
I mean, they are not taking any bullshit.
brian redban
Where did you see that video?
joe rogan
It's on YouTube, man.
It's on YouTube.
Because it's not graphic.
You can't see any blood or anything.
It's kind of shitty quality.
brian redban
What's up with shitty quality nowadays?
I mean, come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
They have some old-ass fucking Motorola cell phone.
Yeah, I mean, that's what it was filmed on.
I don't know what it was filmed on.
brian redban
Now you know where you drop those cell phones off in the boxes.
It's like, donate your cell phones.
That goes to Egypt.
joe rogan
That goes to anywhere the world is fucked up.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I think the economic pain that we're kind of feeling, it's bad.
I mean, definitely a lot of people are hurting.
But it's not to Great Depression levels right now.
You know, it's not even the levels that we've already seen happen before here in America.
joe rogan
I think everybody recognizes that we are right now on a very unshaky foundation.
Exactly.
aubrey marcus
And when it gets worse, then, you know, the Occupy movement.
I mean, what's going to cause...
The people who are on the fringe to just come out in numbers.
I think there'll be a kind of a tipping point effect where people are going to be like, fuck this.
Fuck the corruption in the government.
We need a new system.
We need to stop spending money to bail out the banks.
joe rogan
How would you ever convince the government to revamp the system and take away their power?
They would never do that.
aubrey marcus
It takes an uprising like that.
It takes the people to cause the movement.
When has the government ever done shit without the people moving first?
Women's suffrage, for example.
If women weren't marching around doing that thing, they may still not be able to vote.
It takes the people rising up In order to change the government.
It's the only fucking way.
Because power is going to breed power.
They're going to just keep the system status quo.
I mean, maybe one or two examples where Lincoln abolished slavery on his own, kind of, before there was massive upscale.
But that was during a time of war.
It had certain advantages, etc.
There was a variety of different...
Things involved in that.
But it's always the people who demand something first that caused the government to change.
And I think, you know, right now people are talking in their talking voice.
I think pretty soon they're gonna have to start yelling.
And I think that's ultimately what's gonna happen to change.
But before they start yelling, unfortunately, it has to hurt worse.
And I think that's probably where we're heading, you know, is the more economic thing.
joe rogan
Who would have ever thought this was gonna be going down?
Remember when you were younger, when Clinton was president?
It looks like the world is just a rosy, fucking beautiful place to be.
brian redban
I miss that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brian redban
He was just a comfortable guy.
joe rogan
What an amazing thing.
aubrey marcus
In a comfortable time.
joe rogan
In 20 years.
In 20 years, the world has just changed beyond recognition almost.
aubrey marcus
But I think it's part of the natural cycle of things.
I mean, things don't go in a steady curve.
They have to go in these cycles.
It gets way too far out of line, then it maybe goes back too far the other way.
I mean, probably there'll be a point where the sentiments get too roused in the other direction.
Like, Wait, wait, wait a minute.
We've got to have banks.
joe rogan
We need to keep civilization together.
We need credit cards.
I don't want to be carrying gold bullion everywhere.
Let's pull this shit together.
God damn it.
You know what we've got to get rid of?
You've got to get rid of that stock market.
I watched that fucking thing on TV. I sound like a grandpa.
I watched that stock market.
We've got to get rid of that.
But I watched it on TV. I was watching some financial report.
And there's a ticker tape going on because it's like an alien program to me.
The ticker tape's going on beneath it.
And then this guy starts talking about a lack of confidence in this company and a confidence that there's a lot of confidence behind this company.
And I'm watching these numbers spin.
I'm like, this is insanity.
This is like...
These guys are like...
There's like a virus.
A virus of numbers.
This horrible hurricane-like virus of numbers.
And there's a few people in there that sort of know how to decipher it.
They're pulling numbers out and...
Seeing which way the waves are blowing.
I'm like, what a wacky fucking system.
Based on confidence?
What?
Based on how people feel about companies and shit and whether or not a new product just came out.
Oh, we're going to buy.
Buy Apple.
Buy.
Buy.
And you can actually affect that somehow?
Like, what?
What?
What are we basing any of our time on this wonky shit for?
This is a ridiculous setup.
aubrey marcus
The speculatory frenzy around stocks and these things is pretty outrageous.
Really, it takes away from what originally the idea is, which is to own a share and interest in a company that you thought was going to make money and do things as a positive form of investment.
joe rogan
When did it get completely wacky?
Was it the Reagan administration?
When were they allowed to have derivatives and stuff like that?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I think probably in the 80s.
joe rogan
In the 80s?
aubrey marcus
It got the wackiest because the markets were still pretty new in the 70s and things.
But the stock market has had its nonsenses since the 1920s.
I mean, you can read the stock operator and see some of the same madness.
joe rogan
But there were safeguards that were put in place after the big crash of the 20s, the Great Depression.
There were safeguards that were put in place that were eventually dropped, right?
Weren't there?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I mean, depending how much the market can drop in a certain day, basically limits.
So it can go limit down.
There's a lot of those things in different commodity markets as well.
There'll be a limit to how far the price can move in one day.
But the thing is, that's just per day.
They don't limit it permanently because that would cause massive inefficiency.
It just kind of curbs that initial panic.
Like, holy fuck, we've got to sell everything.
Sell, sell, sell.
And then it drops way below where it needs to.
And then the margin calls kick in.
And then people lose all their money.
They're jumping out of buildings.
It's a mess at that point.
So they try to curb that.
joe rogan
It seems so ridiculous.
This buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell.
It seems so ridiculous that a company could actually...
Go buy that.
That could have any sense whatsoever in the world of business.
aubrey marcus
Looking at these equity markets, they're way better off than the credit markets, than the debt markets.
That's where all these problems are going.
People swapping debt and derivatives and all of these things.
At least these are companies.
At least, ultimately, at the end of the day, you can poke a CEO in the chest and hold something, a service or a product that he created, that the company created, All of these other debt pieces, what are they?
They're just these numbers that are circulated in a variety of ways where everybody makes money.
And if you lose money, guess what?
You don't lose money because the government will bail you out.
So how the fuck are they not going to do that?
It's a no-risk situation.
Yeah, let's be super aggressive.
Let's be super risky.
We'll make a bunch of money on the way up.
If we lose, no big deal.
Uncle Sam will come in.
They'll pay it all.
I mean, how are we not expected for them to have it?
That's why I think one of my biggest beefs with the Occupy Wall Street movement is, you know, it really should be Occupy Washington.
I mean, you're telling these sharks that, hey, play this game, you can make all the money you want, and if you lose, we're going to bail you out.
Well, whose fault is that?
They're going to be sharks.
Sharks are going to be sharks.
These men are put in their positions for being greedy, for being, you know, the most aggressive in their lives.
Of their class.
And then we're expecting them to behave in these dramatically moral ways and not do it.
No, it's not gonna happen.
If they have no room for failure at the end of the day, why the fuck wouldn't they do that?
joe rogan
Has there ever been a stock market movie where they weren't really in it for the money?
And they were just kind of really cool guys and a lot of principles.
aubrey marcus
Every stock market movie.
joe rogan
I saw Tower Heist with Eddie Murphy and who the fuck is it?
The other guy?
Ben?
Jesus Christ.
Stiller.
Jesus Christ.
How did I blank on Ben Stiller?
Hilarious fucking movie.
But again, evil banker.
You know?
Evil stock market guy.
Is there ever a nice stock market guy?
Think about Boiler Room.
Everyone's doing coke.
Everyone's fucking crazy.
They're all over the edge.
Is there a stock market movie where everybody's really cool?
aubrey marcus
It's a breed of animal.
joe rogan
They go to work with pictures of their kids, Bible passages.
aubrey marcus
It's like asking if there's a great white shark movie where the shark doesn't eat the fuck out of people.
Of course he eats the fuck out of people.
It's just the nature of the beast.
There's some great stock guys.
I've known a lot of them.
Some great hedge fund managers.
I've known a lot of them.
But, you know, ultimately they are super aggressive and they're going to take advantage of any market that they see.
joe rogan
There's a dude I used to do Taekwondo with who became a stock market guy and I didn't see him for like a couple weeks and I saw him and he was like, he had a suit on and shit.
And I was like, what are you doing, man?
Like, what's going on with you?
And he's like, dude, I'm fucking selling stocks.
He was like this really aggressive psycho dude.
And all of a sudden he was like really into this game of selling stocks.
But the way he was talking about it was like he was going to financial war every day.
We're fucking bitches up, bro.
We got the fucking best team.
Let me invest some of your money.
Get the fuck out of here with this crazy asshole.
aubrey marcus
It's a silly system.
joe rogan
It's weird.
brian redban
Show me your impersonation of a sad North Korean.
unidentified
No!
brian redban
Stomp your fist up and down.
joe rogan
It's like the worst acting ever.
Like, every time a camera's on, they're like, you are sad, no?
Are you sad?
Falling down.
brian redban
How depressing is that country, man?
joe rogan
No tears.
brian redban
I saw a documentary the other day on that country, and this was right before he died.
I was like, I watched this, and it was showing how all the kids and people are blind.
In North Korea, they're going blind because their diets are so bad that they're getting cataracts.
And there was kids, just tons of kids with cataracts because of how poor their diet is.
I mean, 40%, I think it was, 40 or 45% of the children in North Korea are starving, like dying because of starvation.
joe rogan
If you're interested in any of this, go to Vice Guide for North Korea.
Go to vice.com and check out the thing that they have up because they have a bunch of shit today, including all this North Korean labor camp footage where they have all the slave footage that they have.
brian redban
That's crazy.
And that's what the whole country is around, those slave camps.
That's what makes the fear that makes all these people act this way is because of those slave camps.
joe rogan
Yeah, the people have no power there.
I mean, it's really amazing.
When you see a dictatorship, it's horrific.
It's the worst way a human being can be treated.
But it's also quite impressive.
It's really amazing that some guy is just allowed to just straight run shit.
In Thailand, some American just got locked up in jail, I think for a year, for talking bad about the king.
aubrey marcus
The king actually doesn't even run the country in Thailand, as far as I remember from when I was there.
joe rogan
You can't talk shit about him, though.
aubrey marcus
But there is a special rule about talking bad about the king.
It's a weird situation where they have some kind of control on the verbiage towards the king, but he actually has not as much governmental power as...
As the general other Thai leaders, I don't know what they have as far as a person.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Apparently he's legitimately beloved.
He is.
Isn't that amazing?
aubrey marcus
It is.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a strange fucking place, man.
unidentified
That is.
brian redban
Do you think we're withdrawing our troops so we can send them to North Korea?
joe rogan
Dude, we're not going to North Korea.
There's no minerals in North Korea.
There's no gold in North Korea.
brian redban
There's no oil in North Korea.
There's a whole country of people that are kind of, I don't know, that's kind of Nazi shit, in my opinion.
joe rogan
It is.
Well, it's a communist dictatorship.
It is 100% like that.
I mean, it's actually worse than Nazi.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't want to say worse.
brian redban
But you don't think Team America?
joe rogan
It's the same exact vein of it, you know?
I mean, they're not out there causing genocide and attacking other nations, but, I mean, they're fucking, you know, that's a terrible way to live.
No doubt about it.
brian redban
They said that Kim Jong was the number one buyer of Hennessy.
Number one single person that buys the most Hennessy.
Do you almost think that Imagine what kind of Fucking rapper parties He must have had The rappers are so mad About that right now They're pressed They're gonna change that Do you think Maybe that we are Planning Did you make that up By the way No it's 100% true I swear to fucking god Look it up I believe you But do you think Maybe that we Poisoned Kim Jong To give him a heart attack Do you think we're planning all this to go to North Korea?
joe rogan
No.
He's an old dude.
But it is kind of funny.
If you want to be a conspiracy theorist, you really start thinking about it.
And think about, you know, Gaddafi and, you know, Osama bin Laden and Kim Jong-il and Mubarak's gone.
Think about all these people who've been moved, replaced, or died.
Just really recently.
It's like, have you ever seen General Anthony, what is his, no, Wesley Clark?
Do you remember that guy that was running for president for a while?
He's, I think he's a general.
Some badass army guy.
And let me look it up so I can give him the right...
aubrey marcus
It may just be part of this sign of the times of change that it's kind of sweeping over everybody.
It seems like there's this tumultuous period as we're coming into this age that's causing change to happen at a more rapid rate.
joe rogan
Brian, pull up the plan.
I want you to pull up the plan according to General Wesley Clark.
You can just Google Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, and this will come up in YouTube.
But my point was, this General Wesley Clark actually in, I believe it was 2007, He predicted all of this and he said this is the plan.
This is what they want to do.
They're going to get rid of Gaddafi.
They're going to go into this country.
They're going to take over in Iraq.
They're going to kill Saddam Hussein.
I mean, he like literally spells it out.
Everything that we did.
wesley clark
About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and And Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in.
He said, sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second.
I said, well, you're too busy.
He said, no, no.
He says, we've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq.
This was on or about the 20th of September.
I said, we're going to war with Iraq?
Why?
He said, I don't know.
He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.
So, I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?
He said, no, no.
He says, there's nothing new that way.
They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but...
We've got a good military and we can take down governments.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper and he said, I just...
He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense Office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
unidentified
Go through the countries again?
wesley clark
Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and then back to Iran.
brian redban
2007. Wow.
joe rogan
This is a general Wesley Clark.
I mean, this is, you know, he's not a kook.
Jesus Christ.
But it's weird that he would, I mean...
brian redban
Is he still alive?
joe rogan
If you know that, yeah.
Well, I mean, I think, yeah, he's alive, man.
But I mean, if you know that, and you don't tell...
You're probably much more likely to get killed.
You know what I'm saying?
You might be thinking about telling somebody that.
aubrey marcus
Once it's out.
joe rogan
Yeah, once it's out, it's out.
And if they get you, it's almost obvious.
But if you're one of these dudes and you know some shit like that, you better get on a talk show, son.
You know what I mean?
If someone knows that you know that...
I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't kill Wesley Clark because he's a fucking general.
And on top of that, he's probably been a part of a bunch of shit in his past that maybe he didn't agree with.
aubrey marcus
He may have a combination to a lockbox with a lot worse secrets than that.
unidentified
Sure.
aubrey marcus
Sure, it shows up unexplainably dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, and look, nobody knows more about how the world really runs than high-ranking generals.
Period.
You know, they get pushed into situations where they absolutely know that they're doing it for a very specific reason.
That Smedley Butler article that was written in the 1930s, War is a Racket.
You know, amazing, amazing article.
When you think about the fact that this guy wrote this in like, I think it was like 19-something, 1930-something.
And you would say, you know, back then, man, there's no way people had figured it out.
Back then, you know, people were...
We weren't a corrupt country back then.
Back then, all the wars were just.
There was real bad people over there.
Not according to this dude, man.
This is a major, U.S. Marine Major General Smedley D. Butler.
And it's a really brilliant, it was actually 1930. It was published in 1935, but he wrote it in 1930. It's called War is a Racket.
And this guy had a career in the military and got out and just said, listen, this is how it goes.
War is a racket.
It always has been.
It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.
It is the only one international in scope.
It is the only one which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to be to the majority of the people.
Only a small inside group knows what it's about.
It's conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many.
Out of war, few people can make huge fortunes.
And this is in 1930, this guy wrote that.
Isn't that incredible?
It's like, we've always sucked.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
We've always sucked.
We've just been better at covering it up.
If we had the internet in 1930, you know, people would be like, what?
What the fuck are we...
Why are we in Mexico?
You know?
What's going on in Haiti?
What are we doing in Cuba?
aubrey marcus
There's probably some truth to that.
So if we had to do it, we've talked about this, Joe.
So if we had to start it all over, let's say some cataclysm happens, economic collapse happens, a situation where like-minded people are able to, before it happens, say, all right, listen, we've got to scope out North Dakota.
This is going to be our spot.
Let's go there.
joe rogan
Is that the only way to do it, or is it possible?
That the way to do it is to not have everything completely fall apart, but have everybody sort of come to some sort of an understanding.
I would much rather have that.
Maybe we could ease into a second economy by starting it off slowly.
Like you don't have to use the entire U.S. currency.
Maybe we can have an alternative currency that we all agree to.
aubrey marcus
They tried that in the Austrian town of Wurgel during the Great Depression, I think 1932, and it's a pretty interesting story.
The currency had two features.
One, it was commodities-backed.
So it wasn't just backed by gold, which is one way to do it.
But the problem with just a gold-back is it's contingent on people actually liking gold still, wanting gold.
joe rogan
Someone's going to wake up eventually.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fuck is this gold?
aubrey marcus
You can't eat it.
joe rogan
You can't kill anybody with it.
aubrey marcus
You can't make hammers out of it.
joe rogan
You can make a catapult out of it.
aubrey marcus
Right, so you gotta...
I mean, obviously gold...
Yeah, it'd be a heavy something, but...
joe rogan
It'd be a good weapon if you could catapult a giant gold ball.
Fuck you up, man.
But it ain't worth what it costs.
aubrey marcus
The most ironic way to die.
I got pinballed.
joe rogan
Well, you know the whole story about the Zechariah Stitchin story about why gold was valuable to ancient humans?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
He believes that the Anunnaki who created the human out of the lower hominid and the alien genetics, they needed us to mine for gold because they needed gold in massive amounts to suspend in their atmosphere to protect their atmosphere.
It sounds completely ridiculous, but when you really go back to how long people have been using gold, they were like nomads, man.
What did you give a fuck about this little shiny, weird, soft metal that you can't even make a tool out of?
aubrey marcus
Duxley has a different theory that I think is actually pretty interesting as well.
He says that the reason people like gold is because it approximates some of the shiny visions that you see under the psychedelic or mystic experience.
So that's the reason why we like gems.
That's the reason why we like gold.
I mean now metal is everywhere.
It's ubiquitous.
But back then that was the only shiny shit that you found in the earth was metal that you mined.
Right now we mass produce it so it's not that You know, mystical or beholding anymore.
But he says, you know, he's like, why are we digging in the dirt to find these shiny pebbles still?
And he says it's because when you're on these kind of mescaline or DMT or these other experiences, you see these multifaceted, you know, you know, colors and lights and shine, you know.
joe rogan
That kind of makes sense to me, but many more people have gotten into diamonds and rubies than have had psychedelic experiences, right?
aubrey marcus
But we all know some knowledge of that realm, and that's his idea.
His basic concept is that your mind is just a filter, and it symbolizes the things that you see so that you can walk around, you do the normal daily stuff.
But when you remove that filter, like through psychedelics or through other different methods, some of that starts to peer through and you see the colors in the way that they are in the void and the different aspects outside of our physical confines.
And that's what's so mystical about them.
And that's why we seek that.
Even if we haven't seen it in psychedelics, we know it.
And that's part of our soul's knowledge, or at least part of the collective mind at large.
joe rogan
Well, everyone's had a dream, you know, and any dream state might as well be a psychedelic experience.
I mean, how many times have dream states just been like, you know, you're involved in something that is just completely ridiculous, makes no sense, and you're just kind of going with it, you know?
I mean, that's like a lot of really nutty, crazy dreams, right?
That is like a psychedelic experience, and most likely even caused by psychedelic compounds in the brain.
They don't totally understand how that works, man.
They don't totally understand why dimethyltryptamine is in your brain and 5-methoxy dimethyltryptamine and when is it actually released.
There's theories that it's released in periods of high stress and there's some anecdotal evidence, but they really have to develop these much more sensitive ways of determining when the actual DMT is released during various stages of human activity.
Because right now, from what I understand, one of the only ways to find out is when someone dies.
Does DMT flood the brain when they die?
Well, you have to get in there within seconds after they're dead and measure that shit.
When your body processes it, it's 10, 15 minutes.
And you're back to baseline.
I mean, it's a really quick experience.
So when someone dies, if they get that blast, if that's what happens, and you have a psychedelic trip that whether it eases your departure from the earth or whether it opens up some fucking gateway to something that's next, whatever the hell it is, it's gone pretty goddamn quickly.
It's poof.
It's there and it's not.
So they would have to open your fucking head up real quick and get to that gland and then start testing, I think.
aubrey marcus
Maybe they didn't.
joe rogan
But what is it?
aubrey marcus
I spent a long time telling that story about the jungle when I was down there and taking ayahuasca.
Since then, I had a very deep psilocybin experience in contrast.
There is something particular about the DMT molecule that I'm convinced that's transcendiary to what, you know, in the framework of the jungle when I was there, that causes you to go to different dimensions than even a psilocybin trip.
I felt like the DMT molecule is some form of gateway that opens doors that you can't even get with other Energy medicine, psychoactive compounds.
There's something particularly special about that.
And I couldn't help but feel that overwhelming feeling.
I actually was able to, I saw a lot of the same kind of figures and a lot of things like trying to pull me up.
Like that was a large part of my vision was these reaching down in and trying to pull me up into these higher levels.
But just the fuel wasn't there.
Like I couldn't open that door, the same door that I went through back in the jungle.
And maybe that has something to do with the shaman, maybe it has to do with the other things, but I think it has to do with TRT itself.
joe rogan
Totally different compound.
aubrey marcus
Each one has their own specialty.
joe rogan
I think that is a part of the compound of psilocybin.
I think NN-dimethyltryptamine is actually a part of it.
I think it's something like 4-fox-4-l-oxy NN-dimethyltryptamine.
It's very closely related.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, and it certainly is, but there was, I don't know, for whatever reason, there was some other special...
joe rogan
Maybe you didn't have enough.
aubrey marcus
Maybe not.
joe rogan
How much did you have?
aubrey marcus
It was probably two and a half grams made into some tea.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not enough, son.
You got silly.
Yeah, you got silly.
That's not enough.
You need five.
Five is the magic number.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but I've taken a good amount of it.
joe rogan
Brian did like seven recently.
brian redban
By mistake.
joe rogan
The world disappeared on him for a little while.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, there's different situations cause different results, but it's a pretty remarkable experience.
joe rogan
I haven't done DMT in several years, and it's been a couple because the last time I did it was the only time ever, ever, I mean I've had a bunch of psychedelic experiences, but the last time I did DMT was the only time Where I ever was not sure what was real and what was imagination and fantasy for about two weeks.
For about two weeks the world itself, like as I was driving, seemed malleable.
It seemed like if I concentrated on car accidents, I might wind up in a fucking car accident.
If I concentrate on it raining out, it might rain out.
It sounded completely ridiculous, and I didn't believe that I could make anything happen with my mind by any stretch of the imagination.
What I also didn't believe was that reality was 100% real.
Because what happens when you have a real mind-blowing fucking trip is, first of all, you get terrified that it's that close.
That all you have to do is smoke that stuff, and it's right there?
I can get there in 30 seconds, a minute, and I get to some impossible place.
Like, if you could...
If you had to journey across the earth to get to some spot in Tibet where you look into the DMT realm, you have to climb through a fucking cave and repel, and you camp out there, and it takes days, and some people die like climbing Mount Everest.
But if you get there, if you get to that spot, you look out and you see God.
You look out and you see the most purest wisdom, the most knowledgeable love, the most sympathetic voice, the most knowledge that you could ever possibly imagine coming from something in a way that's not even language, like very difficult to describe, but so the most knowledge that you could ever possibly imagine coming from something in Man, people would take trips to go to that.
It would be, you know what I'm saying?
Like if there was like a guy that you could go to that would give you this feeling.
But essentially there is, and it's...
If it was legal and you could go to places where they could prescribe it, boy, would that change the world.
I mean, would that change the world?
Would that change the fucking world?
If people have seen what you've seen, could you imagine?
aubrey marcus
A totally different place.
joe rogan
But if you brought that up, people say, like, you're a fucking crazy person.
Like, what are you doing?
You're going to give people drugs, the hallucinations, and they're going to, oh, that's going to make them a better person.
aubrey marcus
Well, the driving, another, you know, theory from Huxley is that the driving force behind all religion was seeking that That kind of transcendental place.
And people got to it through a variety of different means.
He said, you know, all the chanting that you find in these mystical traditions, that raises the CO2 level because you end up breathing out more than you breathe in when you're doing it, unless you're a highly trained singer, you know, and you're expert.
But most of these ecstatic chanting and yelling and all that is designed to raise that CO2 level.
joe rogan
You breathe out more than you breathe in?
How is that even possible?
aubrey marcus
Just, well, in a normal breath.
brian redban
That defies all science.
unidentified
It doesn't seem like that's possible.
joe rogan
There's no more air.
Well, bro, I'm breathing out more than I'm breathing in.
I'm taking air through my dickhole, son.
brian redban
Sounds like a rapper made that one up.
joe rogan
Air comes close to my dickhole, fills up my lungs from the bottom, yo.
aubrey marcus
Well, anyway, that's how we put it.
There's some ways...
joe rogan
People say shit like that, man, it drives me nuts.
And then you repeat it accidentally, not thinking about it, and then someone else has to come along and go, wait a minute, man, what the fuck did you just say?
And then you go, yeah, what the fuck did I just say?
God damn it, I'm just repeating some stupid shit.
Somebody told me, in martial arts, that was always a problem.
That's always a problem.
aubrey marcus
Well, that could be the wrong way to go about it.
But either case, he's saying that was one mild example of raising the CO2 levels.
There are certain breathing exercises that certainly do that.
joe rogan
So that does something to the air.
It's more carbon dioxide.
aubrey marcus
So that ends up reducing what he calls the cerebral reducing valve that is what keeps everything symbolized.
Because that vision, what you're talking about, you're saying it's right there.
It's right there because it's around us all the time.
And that's why when you take something or smoke DMT, you get to it instantly.
You don't have to travel to it.
Because it's there all the time.
joe rogan
Sort of, but isn't it possible that it's also perturbing your mind and giving your mind an excess of chemicals to deal with so it distorts your visual perception of the world?
I mean, it seems to me that you have to look at every single possibility.
And you have to look at the possibility that if the brain produces all these different chemicals at varying doses and we believe that it varies the doses based on stress levels, wow, there might be something to that.
There might be something to this possibility that there's a gateway.
But there's also a possibility that you're just getting fucked up on some wacky drug and seeing some nutty shit and it's so humbling because you don't expect it that when you come back you have all these rationalizations and all this Either way, if you believe it, it can make you a great person.
It's like a lot of religions, man.
I don't think there's anything wrong with Christianity.
I mean, if it works for you, it works for you.
I know people that it works for them, and it actually does make them a better person.
And if you believe in it, it can work.
It can make you a better person.
And if you believe that your psychedelic experience was truly connecting with the divine, well, that can make you a better person.
But it could also be your system is just over-flooded by some shit that's not supposed to be there in rocket-fueled doses.
Just awash in usually what it gets a sip of.
It's at the bottom of a river of this crazy fucking...
aubrey marcus
So that's, I think, that's actually, I think, a more accepted theory than Hudson's, which is that you're actually taking away your filter instead of adding something else.
And he goes on to talk about, you know, probably more convincing arguments than the chanting argument, basically that there was a famous saint, the curé d'Ars, this French saint, and he used to say that when he would flagellate himself, God would deny him nothing, and he would have access to that mystical level.
joe rogan
For people who don't know, that means you beat the fuck out of yourself.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, so you would do it.
brian redban
Reached in and pulled a fart out or something.
joe rogan
Oh, flatulence you're thinking of.
unidentified
No, flagellate is like a little whip, didn't they?
aubrey marcus
A whip with either knotted leather or actual barbs on it.
It would cause their back to bleed.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would tear themselves apart.
aubrey marcus
In the era before soap, that would cause, first of all, the actual beating would cause a lot of adrenaline to rush through your body and histamines to rush through your body as this was going on.
That, in combination with the fasting that was very popular, obviously Lent, winter was kind of a forced fast, and with the flagellation that caused, you know, in the era before soap, it would almost always fester.
So there would be all these decomposing protein in your system.
It would basically reduce Your cerebral capacity to the point where you could enter psychedelic trance states and actually commune with God underneath your...
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
joe rogan
Break that shit down again.
So you're saying because they were dirty, stinky people that didn't wash that good, so they didn't scrub off the outside layer of skin, that somehow they're penetrating that would change their state?
aubrey marcus
Well, this is in combination with a variety of things.
So basically, the brain needs vitamins and nutrients to function normally.
You know, you go through these long periods of fasting.
That was one way to reach the mystical experience.
40 days of fasting, you're basically denying your brain of all the glucose, all the vitamins necessary to function optimally.
And that's when a lot of these people had visions.
Well, the reason they had visions, according to Huxley, was because the brain was just not able to function as its normal symbolizing cerebral nature that it does to make us all survive.
So you were able to take in more of the capital M mind at large, which we call the collective now, because of the lack of vitamins.
And he was saying also the flagellation usually used in conjunction with that.
So you got your brain basically running on very little, just trying to hang in there.
And then you beat yourself.
And then at that point, you know, you got adrenaline, you got histamines, and then you got festering wounds on your back that are causing more, you know, more kind of toxins to your brain.
So at that point, your brain just kind of shuts off and it allows more of that mystical experience to come through.
joe rogan
Wow!
So you beat the fuck out of yourself to achieve enlightenment after you starve yourself for a month or so.
brian redban
Can you imagine farts before soap?
aubrey marcus
But that's how important seeking that mystical experience was to these people.
They were willing to do that.
joe rogan
How did they find out about it though?
Someone must have beat someone and someone said thank you for starving me and beating the fuck out of me because I learned a lot about myself.
aubrey marcus
Maybe, maybe.
Well, the winter was basically a forced fast.
They had hardly any vitamin C during the winter.
They were only able to store a certain amount of things.
And then Lent coming off winter was also a time that caused a lot of these visions to come.
And at that point, yeah, somebody maybe got taken to the whip.
I mean, whipping was a common way to treat any kind of petty offense.
Someone gets whipped after three months of fasting for winter, 40 days of Lent, and they get whipped.
They very well may see God.
And that was Huxley's idea.
But he said now, at the state that we know about psychedelics, trying to get to the mystical state through that reason is like burning a house down to cook a pig.
It's like you don't need to do that anymore.
You can go out and you can find these tools that were placed here on the earth to help get you that experience.
joe rogan
Really amazing, and I'd never heard that before.
I'd never heard that before about the flagellation and the starving.
It totally makes sense.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's interesting.
joe rogan
But it's a crazy possibility.
I've always wondered why the fuck they beat the shit out of themselves.
I just figured it's like Jerry Sandusky.
Like, they hate themselves.
You know, do you hear one of the things that Jerry Sandusky said in one of the interviews?
He said he wished he was dead.
You know, he was talking to this woman.
The woman was asking him, like, why he touched her son.
And he said, I didn't mean it to be that way.
I wish I was dead.
Wow.
These guys beat themselves with fucking barbs.
That's a person who hates himself, right?
aubrey marcus
Well, the guilt that was fostered by the beliefs in the time would cause people to hate themselves.
They'd have this constant sense of gnawing guilt that they couldn't get rid of.
So how do you get rid of guilt?
Well, somebody has to punish you if nobody else is going to do it.
So you punish yourself.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing how the human mind can be programmed like that with religion or with nationalism, whether it's North Korea or whether it's the fucking Inquisition?
It's amazing, really.
It's amazing that human beings can all fall into a pattern.
The pattern just has to be really clear and enforced and scare the fuck out of a few people while it's being enforced.
And then, boom!
It spreads.
It's really amazing.
We're so weird.
We're capable of such brilliance and such beauty, but we're also so fucking dumb.
We're so easy to trick.
We're so easy to program and make act completely ridiculous and absurd.
It's so easy.
aubrey marcus
Well, I think there's a couple things that are going on there.
I think there's a certain amount of people who are very easily programmable.
And I've read some figures and estimations that there's 20% of the population, like a hypnotist who brings a bunch of people up on stage.
Those certain people are very susceptible to success.
joe rogan
I have to bring this up because people think I'm a dummy.
unidentified
I've got a bunch of tweets from people that were like, fuck you stupid.
joe rogan
If comedy hypnotists aren't real, I know you don't think they're real because guess what?
I didn't think they're real either.
When I first saw a comedy show at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston, I saw Frank Santos, the R-rated hypnotist, and I said, this is bullshit.
This is so fucking stupid.
This is bullshit.
But it's not bullshit.
It just wouldn't work on you.
You, the skeptical person that's like, this is bullshit, generally, you're probably fairly intelligent.
It's not going to work on you.
But if you're one of those dudes with a 9-volt brain, there's a lot of people out there like that.
You can hypnotize them.
It doesn't seem like it should work.
It seems completely preposterous to you or to me or to you because we couldn't be hypnotized like that.
Right.
But to that dude, it's absolutely possible.
And that's amazing.
It's like it's almost like there's people set up around us and we have the cheat codes for them.
You know, and you throw them into God mode.
You know, like literally like people can be hacked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
aubrey marcus
And people know that have been taking advantage of that situation.
So there's that factor.
There's this 20%, let's say, of people that can be basically hypnotized.
They're basically walking somnambulists, you know, like able to be hypnotized easily.
joe rogan
Is it a biological thing?
aubrey marcus
I think so.
I think it's just the way that their mind works in a certain way.
And I don't think it's necessarily a lack of intelligence.
It's just a certain circuitry that their mind works on where they're...
That it goes.
I don't know exactly how it goes.
joe rogan
Well, definitely a lack of objective reasoning.
aubrey marcus
Sure, sure.
That critical part of the mind is probably getting steered around for a certain...
Because that hardly rational individual...
But their emotional intelligence might be off the charts.
They might be able to be very...
You know, insightful as far as, you know, their intuition and what they're able to see, but certainly there's some critical aspect that they're able to just circumvent and shut off completely, and that's, I think, obvious.
But once you get that majority, let's say that 20%, Human beings are naturally creatures, social creatures.
So if you start to see a majority, like if you start to see a bunch of people running, you know, you're going to start jogging the same direction and be like, oh shit, I don't know why I'm jogging, but these people are fucking going and I'm out of here.
So I think that's part of what happens.
They get a certain minority, you know, convinced, hypnotized basically to some nonsense.
And then everybody else is like, oh shit, look at all these people.
They can't all be wrong.
And then they hop on board as well.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
We have to fix the design of the human body.
You know, I've been saying this on stage for years, that we've got to stop making, having sex have to do with making babies.
That's ridiculous.
It should be way harder to make babies, and it should be based, you know, on, you should have to, like, do something, you know, together.
Maybe go do something, go somewhere together, go through a ceremony together, and then you make a baby.
brian redban
Or abortions have to be easier.
It has to be an app on your phone.
joe rogan
The problem with abortion is the abortion idea, it's like, you've got to catch it quick.
You catch it quick and it doesn't count.
It's like, well, are you sure?
Is it that it doesn't count or is it like stepping on an ant?
If I step on an ant in my house, nine times out of ten I don't even clean it up.
If I step on a mouse, I've got to clean it up.
And basically if a mouse is the size of an ant, I wouldn't give a fuck.
There's something about when things get bigger that they start becoming real.
That's crazy.
There's a lot of holes in that argument.
It's a weird sort of an acceptance of what's essentially killing a life.
If you let it go, it is going to be another person.
So what you decide...
And I'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to choose because you absolutely shouldn't.
And I don't want to be the one that tells you what to do with your body.
Don't get me wrong.
But as a philosophical argument...
Of what it is and when does it start and when is it life?
How about we just figure out a way to completely prevent it unless you want it?
That seems much smarter.
We should be doing that to kids at a really early age.
I'm not saying we should neuter them, but we should fucking get them on birth control lickety-split.
brian redban
Gummy bear.
joe rogan
Give them a chance to get out of high school.
When you're in high school and you're boning and you're raw-dogging it and you're barely pulling out on time, that is the best time to make a person.
Your body's ready to go.
Your body's young and fresh.
Their eggs are falling into their socks.
There's so many eggs, man.
They're ready to drop.
It's so easy to have a baby then, and that's just the most ridiculous thing ever.
You know, that we're set up the same way that we were set up back when it was really hard to stay alive.
You know, our biological setup is set up for back when we didn't have houses.
You know, we were out there sleeping under the stars.
One guy had to stay awake with a stick, you know?
And then we're wandering around chasing after these animals because we have to follow the herd, otherwise we'll starve to death.
Goddamn, man.
What a shit design.
The whole world has changed, and we're the same.
That's what's really fucked up.
We, in our little fucking interesting minds, have figured out a way to manipulate the Earth so radically that we've polluted the ocean and fucked up the air and left big fucking giant spots where no one can go for 100,000 years.
There's a gang of them where we drop nuclear bombs just to fucking see what would happen.
It's like, We had to get rid of nuclear waste.
We've done this like that!
We've done it so quickly.
It's really amazing.
But we're the same animal that we were 50,000 years ago.
aubrey marcus
That's creating so many of the problems.
I mean, I think the...
The guy Malthus is a politician and economist and he basically said food production increases arithmetically and population increases geometrically.
So that ultimately the way things are going, we see this in all these third world countries, reproduction is far outpaced.
You know the amount of food supply and the things and this happens at various periods in history and so either nature is going to take care of it either in one fell swoop through a giant famine or through disease or through the other kind of overpopulation effects then nature will kind of auto correct these mistakes or you have to take different methods of contraception very seriously and start teaching that you know at an early age and you know putting that in people's minds We're
unidentified
still preaching abstinence, which is nonsense.
joe rogan
That Michelle Bachman is hilarious.
It is amazing that that broad is still running for president.
It is amazing with her big gay husband when they run around and tell everybody not to have sex.
I mean, it is really fucking funny, man.
Somebody's got to follow that dude around.
I mean, I can't...
You know, I started paying attention to the polls.
And, you know, when Ron Paul, especially when Ron Paul's ahead in Iowa right now, he's got the lead.
He's number one in Iowa.
And everybody's shitting their pants.
But that Michelle Bachman broad, she's still in it, man.
She's still in it.
brian redban
She's in it to win it.
joe rogan
I can't believe it.
I would have thought, doesn't everybody know she's a fucking loon?
Hasn't that been figured out yet?
Have you seen her husband?
Have you seen him talk?
That guy can't hold it in.
Flowers come out of his asshole when he farts.
I mean, he's like a guy, if he threw his hands up randomly in the air, glitter would just magically come out of the air.
Whether it came from his skin or came from the universe recognizing the gayness that he Exudes.
It needs to be glorified to glitter.
He can create glitter.
He's a fucking peacock, man.
He's hilarious.
He's one of the gayest people to ever walk the face of the planet.
At least he looks like he is.
And she's running around talking about gay marriage, and they have a Pray the Gay Away sort of a clinic where they all get together.
One guy did an expose on their Pray the Gay Away clinic, and there was a guy behind him.
Somehow or another, they do this thing where they all get together and they hold on to each other.
And he says, the guy behind him clearly has a heart on.
It's like, what the fuck are you doing, man?
And these people are running for president, man.
It's amazing.
But she's got a lot of people that think that she can win.
I mean, not enough to actually win, I don't think, unless everybody else fucks up bad.
But the problem is they keep fucking up.
Everybody keeps fucking up.
Rick Perry is still in it, but it's just cursory at this point.
It's like, what is he doing?
Come on, dude.
Everybody knows you're an idiot.
You're done, man.
You fucking can't talk.
You forget shit.
George Bush was way better, and people were offended by how dumb he was.
Rick Perry is really fucking stupid.
George Bush was better than this guy.
Like, way better at talking.
I mean, he seemed like, you know, he wasn't an intellectual, but he seemed like, especially back when he was running for governor, it seems like he put some fucking words together.
This guy's an embarrassment.
So it's like, who else?
There's no one left.
I mean, Mitt Romney and fucking the other guy with the big head.
aubrey marcus
It's gotta be Ron Paul.
joe rogan
Yeah, but yeah, but really?
That seemed, I mean, they gotta let that happen?
aubrey marcus
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
joe rogan
But Newt Gingrich?
How hilarious is that?
That's like somebody's...
You know what that would be like?
If Newt Gingrich would be president, it would be like if you dated this girl and she was a cunt and her dad was a cuntier cunt, that's Newt Gingrich.
You know?
Like if you dated a girl and she was just a fucking...
She was nagging and paying the ass and then you had to go over and meet her parents and her dad is like, you better be nice to my daughter.
I'll tell you that right now.
I don't take any bullshit from kids, you know?
Yeah.
You gotta deal with your dad.
aubrey marcus
He's a monster.
joe rogan
He's like someone's dad.
aubrey marcus
He's a monster.
brian redban
Where does glitter go?
You never throw glitter away, is it?
Like, are we breathing in glitter?
Are we starting to become glitter?
joe rogan
Well, it depends on where you live, Brian.
brian redban
Because you have glitter on you right now.
You don't even know it.
And it's like, where does that go, though?
Does it just fall on the ground?
aubrey marcus
It goes to strip clubs, naturally.
joe rogan
Where do you see glitter?
brian redban
It's on your face, right below your eyes.
joe rogan
It's probably from my little ones.
When you have little ones and they have glitter, we're always playing with glitter.
It's always like glue and glitter.
They're always making things.
Where does it go?
It gets thrown away, I guess.
brian redban
Yeah, but we're probably breeding glitter.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might die from glitter, Brian.
Don't worry about that shit.
aubrey marcus
To go back to the point that you were talking about sex earlier, because I thought about this a lot in building a society, and some of the solutions that people had to...
To the population growth problem was actually teaching a form of Tantra, which is where you withhold your seed when you're having sex.
joe rogan
I ain't even trying to hear about that.
aubrey marcus
In all fairness, I gave it a go, right?
joe rogan
Right.
aubrey marcus
And it's pretty interesting, the dynamics.
Now, I don't think I would try this personally very often, but if you created a system where you actually taught sex, and this was one of the ways you could do it.
joe rogan
How is Tantra any better than the pull-out method?
I barely trust people to drive cars.
I think I'm going to trust them to pull out all the time.
aubrey marcus
You know that feeling that you get?
It doesn't matter if you're having sex or if you're masturbating or whatever.
You get that feeling after you're done.
That's just kind of a bummer any way you look at it.
joe rogan
Really?
aubrey marcus
It's kind of like...
Yeah, a little bit.
It's way better with sex than masturbating.
Like, if you're using a flashlight, the feeling is like 10 times.
But even when you're having sex, it's like, sometimes there's that kind of really cool, like, glowy feeling afterward, I guess.
You know, I understand that.
But it kind of...
First of all, it allows you to keep doing it indefinitely for a long period of time.
So you can just go to the point of climax and then you cool off, you chill out, you hang out.
And after you do that with the person, it's not like, go get cleaned up, we're gonna sort something else out.
You're still in the mindset.
So you can stretch it out for these long periods of time.
joe rogan
It sounds like you're blue-balling yourself to death, son.
aubrey marcus
You could basically occupy a massive amount of time having sex, and it's pretty fun.
joe rogan
What if the chick gets all dry?
It's like, motherfucker, will you just come?
aubrey marcus
Jesus Christ.
You just peace out for a little while.
But that was one of the ideas that they taught.
Obviously, contraception is super important, but just teaching different methods is going to be vitally important.
joe rogan
I don't think we should teach them Tantra.
Fuck all day.
This is what I want you to do.
Hold on to your loads and fuck all day.
aubrey marcus
But imagine how much more entertaining that is than just fucking for five minutes and then that's it.
That's all you're done.
You get to stretch out something that's enormously enjoyable.
joe rogan
Isn't it a comfortable medium?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck her and then take her out to dinner.
And always do it in that order.
You know, the worst is when you see a guy who takes a girl out to a comedy club and you know he hasn't fucked her yet.
And she's all mouthy and shit and yelling shit out.
And you're like, why is this?
I'll tell you why.
Because you didn't fuck her.
You didn't fuck her before you leave.
And that's true shit.
If you gorilla fuck a girl before you leave the house...
First of all, she's not trying to draw on extra attention.
Her genetics tell her she's already gotten fucked today.
Chill out.
You don't need any extraordinary amount of attention.
Don't need any extraordinary love.
Just settle the fuck down.
But if you don't fuck them, and then you take them out into the wild, and they're pumping out all those someone's gonna fuck me tonight hormones, and it might be you.
Hopefully it's you.
But if she's a crazy bitch, she's trying to see if there's another offer out there.
She's like, maybe, maybe.
I'm not even gonna stay with him.
Who knows?
Woo!
I'm funnier than him.
aubrey marcus
A lot of those effects are not only evening dependent, but whole relationship dependent girls who've just never properly gotten biologically fucked.
joe rogan
Or never been with a man.
I mean, how many girls have you ever met that date really weak dudes because they're terrified of being in a situation where a man controls them?
Because either a man was abusive earlier in their life, or they had a bad I know girls that are constantly involved in beta men.
Like guys with real issues.
They can never get it together.
They're always fucking falling behind on their bills.
And these girls are always nagging at them to get their shit together.
And it's this weird relationship, man, where the woman makes more of the money, and the woman pays for the car, and he has to borrow it from her when he wants to go out.
And it's like, wow.
It's such a clear situation to everybody else.
You see on the outside, you're like, look, this is not good.
This is fucking completely unnatural, dude.
There's a reason why she's yelling at you.
Yeah.
Hey, man, we're all equal.
We're all even.
It's all the same.
Who cares, man?
She makes the money.
I help out around the house.
Get the fuck out of here.
There's no way you're fucking her correctly.
You gotta fuck her like you have all the money.
That's the only way you're supposed to fuck them.
You're supposed to fuck them like you have all the money.
Daddy's gonna take care of everything.
He can't say that.
She's like, Daddy can't even take care of his own fucking car bill.
Oh, bitch, make my dick go limp.
Then shit gets ugly.
aubrey marcus
There's some definite demasculinizing movement that has caused a whole crop of males to be pretty ineffectual, I think, when it comes to that.
joe rogan
I think a lot of it is because women have to take care of themselves, and they don't want to hear your bullshit.
And then men want those women to like them, so they become emasculated or demasculated.
brian redban
Divorce.
joe rogan
Divorce is brutal.
That chops away a guy's...
brian redban
Living with your mom at a small age, you know, also.
joe rogan
Oh, just with your mom?
brian redban
Yeah, I lived with my mom and my sister.
joe rogan
It turned you into a little gay boy, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
I got to fuck with a real doll.
Well, it's not a real doll, but it's better than a real doll last night.
We had this Santa roast at Death Squad, where we just roasted Sam Tripoli dressed up as Santa Claus and everyone.
And this company is called Synthetix.com.
joe rogan
Whoa, I'm looking at that picture.
brian redban
Holy shit.
He's this guy and his girlfriend.
joe rogan
Spell it.
unidentified
Synthetics, S-Y-N? S-I-N-T-H-E-T-I-C-S.com.
brian redban
And it's just him and his wife, and he does everything by hand, and he just sculpts these beautiful fucking, like, real dog-type things.
This is weird, man.
It's so perfect.
I wish him and Fleshlight would team up because he has these vaginas that you can take out and clean and stuff like that.
They're kind of like Fleshlight-ish, but I could just imagine putting a real Fleshlight in that thing because it felt real.
unidentified
It looked real.
brian redban
And it was so weird seeing Sam Tripoli.
After the show was done, we were all hanging out.
And Sam was just sitting there staring at it like a little kid looking at boobs for his first time.
And that's what the reaction to everybody that was looking at these things.
unidentified
You fucked one of these?
brian redban
I didn't fuck one of these.
No.
We just had a couple at the Christmas party.
How much did they cost?
About 5,000.
joe rogan
Dude, it's amazing how life like this is.
unidentified
The boobs feel real.
brian redban
You open up the mouth.
I mean, it's creepy when you're looking at it.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
This is amazing how realistic it looks.
I'm really shocked.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
And here's me and Jade and Cole.
brian redban
We were just raping this one girl.
A fake one.
Yeah, because it's cool because you just pull down her pants and look at her butthole and stuff.
And her butthole comes out so you can put new kinds of buttholes in and stuff.
It's really weird.
joe rogan
Wow, they have a bunch of different models.
This is crazy.
brian redban
And it's cool, because I got to talk to him, and it's like, how do you design them?
And he's like, well, this girl started off with a photo of Megan Fox, and then we took the body using this famous 70s...
joe rogan
Yeah, we just crushed that website.
brian redban
Oh, really?
Yeah, I feel bad.
joe rogan
Just like that, we crushed it.
I can't even get on it anymore.
I love doing that, though.
It's fun.
I love when that happens.
brian redban
But he said anytime you, if you want to do a podcast at the Ice House, you'll bring a couple by so we can play around with it and we can meet them.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell them to get with the fleshlight people and come up with a better cooter.
How do you clean that thing out, man?
It's not the fleshlight where you unscrew the bottom of it.
brian redban
Well, the parts that you fuck up have like this, they pull out kind of like a fleshlight.
joe rogan
Like a drawer on a refrigerator?
brian redban
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
The next level is going to be hooking that up to a computer program where you get some artificial intelligence in there.
brian redban
He said he wants to put an iPhone dock in the neck of it so you can talk to Siri through the iPhone.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
Or through the mouth.
And she'd be like, hello, you know, whatever.
aubrey marcus
Well, you could get it to the point where it was like a sexual training device.
joe rogan
Apparently they're going to come out with some sort of an Apple device where Siri communicates to your phone through something that you wear.
So you'll be doing almost everything through Siri.
This is the idea to it.
You'll press a button and say, Siri, what emails do I have?
As Siri gets more and more advanced.
So whatever's in your pocket, you'll be doing everything through voice recognition software.
aubrey marcus
So Siri's going to control the robots of destruction.
joe rogan
So Siri will control the fuck robot.
Well, hopefully fuck first, then destruct later.
Once we realize that we're fucking their robot daughters, that's when they're going to come after us.
brian redban
One thing that's funny is that his version of the pussy part, which was kind of fleshlight-ish.
joe rogan
Not good enough?
brian redban
No, it was definitely...
You could see the quality of fleshlight.
It was a billion times better.
joe rogan
What is it in the softness of it?
It's like...
brian redban
I think it uses maybe a close similar kind of material with it.
But what was different about his is that he actually, his wife or girlfriend, painted the lips a different color.
Kind of beat them up a little.
Made it really realistic.
joe rogan
Like an old whore?
brian redban
Yeah.
Like the makeup job.
Like he had an arm tattoo also.
joe rogan
Just catching dick for decades.
Bam!
Bam!
Just the entryway is all skidded.
Like when a plane keeps coming in for a landing.
brian redban
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
It's just skid.
brian redban
Elbow-y.
joe rogan
It's like skid marks on a fucking pool table.
brian redban
Fear Factor was awesome last night, man.
It was really interesting to see that the two muscle guys, like there was two guys on the show, like the big buff, like ripped guys, had such a hard time early on.
I was like, wow, those two little gay guys just beat these little muscle guys.
joe rogan
That's not a way to be, man.
That's not...
I mean, they were saying that they're agile and they move well, but...
The bottom line is you're carrying around a bunch of unnecessary muscle that's not aiding you in your frame the way you move.
It requires a lot of fuel.
You get really tired really easily.
When you see a guy that has an extraordinary amount of muscle on him, to someone who does jiu-jitsu or someone who does MMA, you look at that guy and go, how long can you last?
You can't last.
All you have to do is grab ahold of you.
All you have to do is engage a guy like that in a fight.
Engage him in a fight.
Get ahold of him.
They could be really explosive.
All that muscle, he could really have a powerful punch.
You have to be really careful.
But if you can get past that and somehow or another manage to get a hold of him, just hang on.
Just make him struggle to get off you.
And in 10-15 seconds, he's at 30% of what he was 15 seconds ago.
Literally, it's amazing.
Guys like that are always like...
One good exertion away from their heart fucking exploding in their chest.
It's like they have a computer, like a Celeron 300 processor, and they got it jacked up to 425. You're not supposed to be carrying around that much weight, man.
You're just not.
It's not natural.
It's really hard to do.
You've got to put a bunch of shit in your system to make yourself carry that much weight.
And most of those guys are non-athletic, you know?
brian redban
Here's a question about the show.
I don't know if you can answer this if I caught on something, but is there a...
Do you guys say, like, hey, you guys need to just make fun of each other?
Because that chick last night was just like, you're ugly!
joe rogan
Your face is gross!
brian redban
That's just fucking crazy!
joe rogan
Well, that other girl talked some shit about her eyelashes first.
The other girl opened up the gates of hell.
But once she realized she didn't want to fuck with that girl, because that black chick was mean, and she was getting in her face about it.
You're so ugly!
I can't believe you're talking about my eyelashes.
You're so ugly.
She was like, you look like the evil stepsister.
brian redban
Yeah.
I'm surprised there's not more Jerry Springer shit on that show.
joe rogan
Well, we keep it to a minimum.
We showed very little of that argument, but that argument was a big argument.
brian redban
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That shit went on for a while.
I had to calm them down.
I was like, hey, come on.
Listen, you guys are saying some mean shit.
No, I shouldn't say you guys, because it was just the girl.
Because once Tonika started talking shit, the other girl shut the fuck up quick, you know?
brian redban
How she treated her own husband.
joe rogan
Well, again, the fucking water seeks its own level.
It's like we were talking about.
That's not the kind of behavior that you want to hear or I want to hear in a girl.
But for some dudes, they seek that out.
brian redban
And I get it, man.
I don't know if you remember the other day, Esther gave us a bunch of those drinks, those fruit drinks, and I had one the other day, because she left one over in the fridge, and it was an orange pineapple or something like that, and I was drinking it, and suddenly in my mouth, a bug.
You know the lightning bugs?
What those look like?
The ones that aren't lightning bugs, but look exactly like a lightning bug.
joe rogan
So it got in the juice?
brian redban
It was in the juice, and I was just pouring out, and right there, I was about to puke.
I was like, I couldn't even imagine drinking a whole fucking milkshake of that shit.
Impossible for me.
joe rogan
Yeah, you wouldn't be a good candidate.
brian redban
No, and height?
Impossible for me.
Never.
joe rogan
You don't like to move that much.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's not good for you either.
brian redban
Sleep factor, I'm on.
Fear factor, no.
unidentified
Sleep factor.
joe rogan
When you, I hate to like be morose though, but when you see people get sick and you see people that aren't healthy, do you ever stop and think, man, eventually I'm going to have to quit smoking cigarettes and actually get my body in some sort of shape?
Does that ever come?
Or are you just going to ride that bitch until the wheels fall off?
Or are you not thinking about it until something breaks on you?
brian redban
Yeah, probably more of that.
I'm probably more Ralphie Maying it.
And then I'm going to be like, no more marijuana for me.
joe rogan
You're just going to wait until something breaks and then you'll get super healthy.
brian redban
Diet-wise, Weight Watchers, I know you don't believe this, but diet-wise, I eat really healthy and I'm constantly doing juicing and making stuff like that.
joe rogan
I believe you eat some healthy things.
brian redban
But then I definitely, you know, I'll have like an Olive Garden here or there or something like that where I'll just, you know, fuck.
I'm just eating like shit.
joe rogan
Pasta.
brian redban
Yeah, or going crazy.
But for the most part, if you look at my refrigerator, it's all like, it's kind of like your refrigerator for the most part.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
I mean, I don't eat much though.
That's the problem.
I eat, like last night I ate my first meal at 1am.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not good.
So your metabolism is all fucked up and you're drinking coffee during the day too?
brian redban
I drink coffee and that pretty much makes me not hungry for a good five hours.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
I think an important concept, even it applies to the muscle men and applies to everybody.
I actually wrote about it on the Onnit blog.
It's called, Are You Fit Enough to Survive?
And I think there's an important concept in there.
Like, take away all of the normal rules.
Let's go back to, like, a primitive state where you have to chase food for a while, maybe run after them a few days, and you have to do certain explosive movements in a fight against an animal or another.
joe rogan
Before I answer your question, just take a look at that shit right there.
There you go.
You're answering, motherfucker.
brian redban
You're going to fall off the car first.
aubrey marcus
Yes, a clinical answer, yes.
But there's a certain amount of physicality that I think is necessary to maintain a proper mental balance.
joe rogan
For some folks, yes.
For other folks, I think some people are averse to physical activity.
It reminds them of fucking gym class or whatever, and they don't like it.
aubrey marcus
But I think especially for men, that haunts part of their physical psyche, to know that they wouldn't, on a basic primal level, be fit enough To survive in a situation where there weren't all these rules in supermarkets and laws that kind of break them down.
joe rogan
Unless they have mad Asperger's and they don't know what the fuck is going on.
They're just sitting around counting numbers.
brian redban
I think everyone's bodies are totally designed different because you work out, you feel good when you work out.
I work out, I fucking hate it.
Always hate it.
Even when I was a kid, I hate it.
joe rogan
You smoke a packet of cigarettes a day, you eat dog shit all day.
brian redban
Yeah, but even when I was a kid, even in gym class, even anything, I hate it.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, I think you're...
brian redban
But you enjoy it.
joe rogan
Yes, well...
We're very different, Brian.
I don't know if you figured that out yet.
Especially body-wise, man.
I don't know how much...
Look, I know that the way I'm built, a lot of it is genetics.
Because my mom's built like me.
My mom is short and wide.
My mom's built like a bulldog, man.
She's a...
She's not a petite lady by any stretch of the imagination.
She has these big-ass wide feet and they're always breaking shoes.
She has all these problems with her feet because her feet were always way too wide for women's shoes.
It's good if you want a sturdy, brick-carrying Sicilian.
That's what my mom's probably, her genetics are really good for, carrying heavy shit around.
Back in the homeland.
I got those genetics.
It's real clear that if I don't work out, I don't trust myself.
I don't like the way I resolve issues.
I don't like how quick my temper is.
I don't like it.
brian redban
See, that shit doesn't happen for me at all.
joe rogan
But then there's the nature versus nurture thing, because I know a certain amount of it is biological, but a certain amount of it is also I've been feeding my body this adrenaline energy explosion of My body, from the time I was a small boy, has been exploding on things, just smashing things.
And when your body grows up like that, and it sort of like engineers itself to perform under those balance loads, you know, under those extreme loads, rather, then when it builds up for that, and then when there's no load, there's no release, there's no explosion, there's no sprints, there's no smash, smash, smash, all of a sudden you just got all this smash juice, and it's not going anywhere, and somebody cuts you off in traffic, Fuck you!
unidentified
I'll fucking spew my smash juice on you!
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that you see in traffic, man, and they're fucking freaking out and going off on someone.
A lot of those people just need a physical thing.
They need a physical thing to keep their body in balance.
It's the body.
It's not even.
Everybody's are different.
But for a lot of us, we're not getting nearly as much smash out as the body requires.
aubrey marcus
I really think it's everybody.
I really think everybody can benefit from it.
The human organism was designed for activity, not for sitting in front of a computer for nine hours, sitting in front of...
Driving home and then sitting and watching TV. We're not designed that way.
We're designed to be active.
And so to compensate, we have to create particularly intense one-hour sessions often because we are going to be sitting the rest of the time.
It's just the nature of how our jobs are.
But that physical release, I think, is important, not just for the body.
Obviously, the health benefits of the body are immense, but for the mind as well.
joe rogan
You know what I've been doing, man?
I've been doing light workouts throughout the day.
Instead of just one big fucking crazy workout a day, I had a back issue.
I kept getting the same muscle pull in my back because I would let it get like three-quarters of the way healed and then jump back into jiu-jitsu class and fuck it up again.
So I had to take like a certain amount of time off.
And when I took time off, I found out there's a lot of shit that I could still do that wasn't fucking with me.
So I did it like easily.
So I said, today I'm just going to do a couple sets of chin-ups and a couple sets of dips and that's it.
Let's see if that fucks with my back.
No, it doesn't.
Well, let me try it tomorrow.
I'm going to just do it.
And then I started doing all these things throughout the day.
I would do it several times a day where I would do just a few kettlebell exercises.
And I found that I was getting less sore, but I was getting strength gains.
Because when I was doing it over the course of a few months, I was noticing that when I do these little smaller workouts, a friend of mine told me that he got the best results on his chin-ups when he installed a chin-up bar in his house and every day he would just do 10 chin-ups.
Every day.
Not that hard.
Ten's easy.
One, two, three.
You do ten and he's done.
But he did it every day.
And he said, after a while I could do 20. And he goes, crazy.
It's just like your body just gets strong at doing that.
And there was never a day where he did it to failure.
He just did it to ten.
But you do it every day and your body goes, alright, we need these fucking ligaments, we need more blood, we need to thicken this forearm up and then next thing you know, it was almost like no pain but gain.
aubrey marcus
Those body weight workouts, a lot of people have had a lot of success with that.
I think it was Herschel Walker that did just a ridiculous amount of push-ups.
joe rogan
A lot of people say that Herschel Walker also lifted weights and he lies about it.
I don't know if that's true.
I don't want to discredit him.
But I do want to put that out there that I did read a lot of crazy shit that he said.
Like he only drinks like a cup of soup and a fucking loaf of – a couple pieces of bread and a salad.
That's all he eats.
And he'll eat once a day.
I don't know if that's true.
Where's all that mass coming from?
There's got to be numbers involved here.
Something has to come in to fill that.
That doesn't even make any sense.
And apparently he wants people to think of himself as what he is.
He takes a lot of pride in being an athletic freak.
Whatever the fuck he's doing and eating and whatever weights he's lifting.
The guy's 48 years old.
He's in amazing monster shape.
He's still a real super athlete.
But, you know, he had like, I believe it was trauma-induced multiple personality disorder.
I believe it was trauma-induced.
I mean, from all the years of playing football, he had a lot of issues.
I believe he wrote a book about that.
So who knows how much he remembers.
There might be one Herschel just eating steak all day and fucking doing squats.
aubrey marcus
It's not Herschel, it's Herman.
unidentified
Yeah, that's Herschel Dose.
joe rogan
Somebody's working out, I'll tell you that.
He obviously does the push-ups and the sit-ups and everything else too, but the guy isn't just...
He's just one of those dudes that's just in monster, monster shape, man.
If he ever got into MMA when he got into football, if it was around back then, he might have been an all-time great.
Because you think, oh my god!
We haven't really seen that yet.
We haven't really seen a guy who's like a super...
We're seeing it in Jon Jones.
In Jon Jones, we're seeing it.
But before Jon Jones, we're never seeing some guy who just can learn shit really fast, and he's ridiculously strong, and it seems like he's just...
He just has an advantage over everyone he faces.
When Jon Jones grabbed Leota Machida in that fucking standing guillotine, you just knew Leota was not getting out.
His strength, his ability to manipulate bodies, it's really freaky to watch, man.
I describe it as he's got some crazy ant strength.
When you see an ant pick things up effortlessly, ant picks up a leaf, and it's like, how the What the fuck is that again?
Just picking up that thing.
If you look at the relation to its body, my god, it did it effortlessly.
aubrey marcus
More impressive to me was his Ryan Bader fight.
I mean, Bader's a badass.
He's a great wrestler, strong dude.
joe rogan
He beast fucks dudes.
He just throws them around.
aubrey marcus
It was impressive.
joe rogan
Nobody's ever even had him on his back.
I mean, has anybody?
Have you ever seen him in his guard?
aubrey marcus
At least Lyoto hit him a couple times good.
unidentified
He did.
aubrey marcus
That was the first time I saw that.
joe rogan
He could take a shot.
He took some hard shots.
Yeah, but you know what?
How about he figured out Lyoto's striking?
How about that, man?
He had one tough round, and then he came back in the second round, cracked him, got him to the ground.
He cracked him with a fucking hard elbow, or a punch.
It was a punch or an elbow.
aubrey marcus
Well, the first one was like a left hook, I think, as Lyoto was coming in.
joe rogan
Cracked him, and then got him to the ground, smashed him with an elbow.
And that was basically all she wrote.
It was one elbow.
Lyoto got up, and he was dizzy.
I mean, he really said he couldn't focus, he couldn't see well, and then John got a hold of that neck.
You know, it's like, that could be, Hershel Walker could have been like one of those guys.
You know, he could, you know, there are guys out there, you know, the human body, as we've talked about before, they're not equal.
They're just not.
And some of them were getting better and better and better.
aubrey marcus
And back in the day, someone like Jon Jones would have a few thousand babies because they'd be on the top warrior in some marauding force.
I read a stat that Genghis Khan, they found a certain DNA in his Y chromosome.
And Genghis Khan is related to 0.5% of the world's population.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
aubrey marcus
0.5%.
It's like 8% of all the Asiatic people, but 0.5% of the entire world because of just the amount of people that he had sex with and his descendants had sex with because the Kublai Khan then went into power and he ran the Chinese dynasty.
But that kind of effect, we won't ever see anything like that.
joe rogan
Will Chamberlain, 10%.
unidentified
10% of America is Will Chamberlain's DNA. It's crazy, but there was something to be said.
joe rogan
How many people do you think Genghis Khan fucked?
He didn't even have Viagra back then.
He just did it on pure hate.
Just a hate dick.
aubrey marcus
He was planning inside.
I mean, he was trying to have real Genghis's.
There was no pulling out for Genghis Khan.
joe rogan
Yeah, he must have just shot loads in it all day.
Isn't it amazing that that's how people rolled back then?
They just made as many kids as they could.
Well, I mean, not everybody, but Genghis Khan and his boys.
We're just assuming, right?
This might be slanderous.
brian redban
Pussies must be so disgusting back then.
aubrey marcus
They got the DNA test for Genghis in particular.
joe rogan
It probably didn't smell good.
aubrey marcus
But I think there's something to be said for that kind of phenomenon.
Because nowadays, the best...
I mean, Genghis Khan was not only physically...
He was unbeatable as he rose up to the tribes in the Mongol steppe and the plateau.
Nobody could defeat him.
He won all his tribal battles.
But then, as a military mastermind, he was brilliant as far as what he did.
He kind of revolutionized a lot of the theories of warfare.
So, very intelligent, very physically capable.
And by his sexual encounters, at least the genetics part, I mean, fatherhood was a whole other issue and the humanity involved in all the races.
brian redban
I'm sure he was a great father.
unidentified
You're probably better off with him not being home.
brian redban
This is how strip clubs were invented.
aubrey marcus
As far as genetically advancing, the genetic race probably played some positive part in that and that'll never happen again.
The geniuses of our world, the most amazing people who could Genetically speaking, purely, you know, advance the human race.
They're not having a thousand babies anymore.
They're not even having ten.
They're having one or two, you know, but really probably what would be beneficial would be if they had, you know, tons of babies.
I mean, that would really actually further the human race.
That's about the principle of sexual selection.
As it happens in the animal kingdom, that's how it works.
The biggest, smartest, baddest lion has the most babies.
It doesn't happen in man.
joe rogan
It seems that as we approach some sort of a symbiotic relationship with computers and technology that's inescapable, the power of the physical becomes less important.
aubrey marcus
Sure, so it should be the smartest person.
joe rogan
The smartest people have to get that pussy.
aubrey marcus
The people who have the power now aren't the physically strongest.
They're the smartest.
They get the money.
You listen to Al Pacino.
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women.
joe rogan
He didn't say women.
He said pussy, bro.
aubrey marcus
Don't ever clean that up.
joe rogan
Don't ever clean that up.
unidentified
But you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the pussy.
brian redban
What movie was that?
Scarface?
joe rogan
Scarface.
Didn't he say you get the pussy?
aubrey marcus
I can't remember.
brian redban
I've only seen that once and I've never seen it.
aubrey marcus
Did you get the bitches?
brian redban
I don't usually like watching the Italian movies.
joe rogan
Did you say Italian movies?
brian redban
Yeah, I don't really like the Italian movies too much.
joe rogan
Oh, Brian.
Oh, Brian.
Yeah, obviously, the smart people are not getting to breed at the same rate as Genghis Khan did, but...
I think people in general are just much smarter and much more aware and much more in tune than ever before.
But as far as like, yeah, like super geniuses, the biological race over the technological race, it seems to me the technological is so fucking far ahead of the biological that it's almost ridiculous to assume that the biological is ever going to catch up, whether it's through natural selection or not.
It just seems like technology in the short amount of time that it's been around has achieved so much momentum and so much innovation.
It's gone so many generations and models greater than what it was when it was first introduced that it seems like inevitable that that's going to be the big tip off.
It's going to be a technological innovation sort of a thing that changes everything.
And the idea that the human body is going to get good enough to catch up to that, I think that's ridiculous.
I think what's going to happen is there's going to be some sort of a large-scale genetic engineering of the human body.
We're going to be super people, bro.
We're going to be Thor.
We're going to have the ability to fly.
aubrey marcus
Technology is moved by genius people, outliers, a lot of the time.
We're closing down the possibilities for that genius-to-genius mating that would naturally occur to create That's okay because a genius can just shoot a load into a cup and make a million new people from it.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
I mean, I think eventually when we figure out how the body is actually created, how organs are created and we figure out the ability to replicate them, we're going to be able to figure out the way to make a super body.
Whether it's through some sort of a genetic manipulation to a person that already exists in a certain form, like in fucking Captain America, when they lock him into that tube and they zap him with all that blue shit and then, ba-boom, he comes out a super person.
I mean, that's not too far away.
Yeah.
Don't you think that seems to me like it would be way easier to do than it would be to send pictures through the air and have it go to someone else in Australia or China or something like that?
That seems to me way more impossible than you can improve a biological unit.
We understand cells.
We understand cell division.
We understand the mitochondria.
The power plants of the cells.
We understand genetics.
We've sort of mapped out the human genome.
Our understanding increases.
Now, we shouldn't say are because it's people far smarter than you or I. But those people, the people at the head of it, their understanding increases every single year.
Their data grows.
Their abilities grow.
It's going to reach some point.
Really, it seems obvious that in the future it's going to reach some point where they're going to be able to make a fucking superhuman.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, well then the moral and spiritual implications as far as whether that's a good thing or not a good thing come into play.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like who the fuck...
aubrey marcus
A lot of movies have explored it.
joe rogan
Well, why is there a good thing at all?
Why is there a bad thing?
Why does the universe have that even as an option?
Well, it seems that you have to have it in order to inspire movement.
It's almost like you have to have tyranny to really come up with freedom.
You have to have people pushing you down.
aubrey marcus
Resistance from the opposite.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it seems...
Why else would the universe have evil?
I mean, all this stuff that exists, terrible feelings, horrible things you see, atrocities, the guy in Brooklyn who lit the woman on fire in the elevator, why do these even exist?
Why does the universe have this as an option?
If this does seem to be some sort of a mechanism or a program that's moving towards a very specific idea or a goal, something specific is going to...
There's something going on.
There's a process that the human being is involved in.
Just like bees making a beehive.
We're involved in some really super complicated process.
aubrey marcus
I agree with that, but I think that's kind of looking at a linear curve of progress, and I think there's some things missing from our evolution, and I think our spiritual base has gotten thrown way off.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible that that's natural?
Do you think it's possible that this lack of connection to the spiritual was almost necessary to create this technological fucking bizarro world that we live in with no conscience and no thinking about the future and no planning?
In order for this thing to arise out of the human animal, we need to become some sort of a technological zombie that just creates and goes forth and does its bidding, does the bidding of the technology.
Much like those fucking mushrooms, I think it's a cordyceps mushroom that gets inside the fucking ant's head and makes them explode.
aubrey marcus
The moth, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But does it to ants too, right?
Isn't there fungus that grows?
I've seen specials.
I mean, that's really what it's like.
It's like we're infected with technology.
It's almost like technology is what's keeping us from recognizing all these other spiritual realms and keeping us pushing forth in a certain direction, because if you think about it, Without any technology whatsoever, they would never be able to stop mushrooms.
They would never be able to stop pot.
They wouldn't know where anything is.
They wouldn't be able to arrest you.
They wouldn't be able to put you in jail.
They wouldn't be able to make laws.
They wouldn't be able to communicate.
They wouldn't have the news.
There would be nothing.
There would be nothing.
So it would be impossible.
So technology allows people to be suppressed.
As much as it gives them freedom, it also allows people to be suppressed and stay zombies and keep on the task.
Keep on the task.
I wonder, man.
I mean, everything else is natural.
We look at wolves.
Wolves is whatever fucked up thing they do where they push the beta male out and he's going to starve to death.
We look at it's horrible, but we also know that it's natural.
And it happens over and over and over and over again.
And there's, of course, a bunch of different scenarios that can take place.
There's a lot of different things that can happen.
But ultimately, they're moving in the same sort of a natural direction every time.
How do we not know that our lives are not exactly the same way, just far more complex and intertwined, and we're aware of it.
So it gives us this illusion that somehow or another this is just a random series of events.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I mean, obviously that's certainly a possibility, but I think that I do strongly believe that there were certain situations in which key people in the wrong moments and key movements in society kind of debilitated this natural spiritual flourishing that should have grown in conjunction with the technology.
Maybe technology was always destined to outpace it a little bit.
joe rogan
Maybe it's your job to illuminate people.
Maybe that's why you're here.
You ever thought about that?
Like this conversation is getting heard by hundreds of thousands of people.
That's like a little tiny spark.
A little ha-choo that gets into the fucking bloodstream of the world.
A little virus that spreads out there.
aubrey marcus
I think that is part of the movement for change right now.
I think we're out of balance as a society and as a world.
And I think we have to get back into it.
joe rogan
It probably is.
Indignation is natural.
All the reaction is natural.
Me wearing a Ron Paul shirt is natural.
It's all natural.
It's a push into a certain direction, and then that's the natural mode of response.
That's what it's supposed to do.
aubrey marcus
And I think it has to happen.
I mean, I think a lot of laws have to change.
Things have to be dropped.
I mean, we have shortcuts to get there.
That's the fucked up thing.
And these shortcuts grow naturally all over the world.
And they just happen to be illegal.
And we got to change that.
And we got to give people the shortcuts, but also the foundation behind it.
I mean, having somebody just saying, yeah, take mushrooms, go willy-nilly.
It's like telling someone to go into the deep jungle and not saying...
Hey, you got to bring mosquito repellent.
You got to bring this.
joe rogan
It's like saying, here's some scuba equipment.
Figure that shit out and go dive in the ocean.
aubrey marcus
That's not a good idea either.
I mean, you still have to...
There's these structures in place and the shamans have had it figured out.
It's thousands of years of lineage of teaching and how to explore these realms.
Like you say, scuba gear is the perfect analogy.
You know, don't go deep water diving.
Unless you know exactly what you're doing.
But if you do, you can get to these realms that give you direct access to God.
And the reason why religions have pushed against that, if you have direct access to the all, to the universe, to God, whatever name you want to put on it, then you don't need the priests.
And if you don't need the priests, they have no power.
So all of these religions came up putting intermediaries in place so that they could develop these massive power structures using guilt and different mechanisms to control the people.
And I think we got off course.
And now, you know, here's a chance to correct.
joe rogan
Well, that was John Marco Allegro's thoughts for the whole creation of the Bible in the first place, that it's suppression of information, that the original stories were hidden in these, you know, these little tales in the Bible with all these little hidden clues, but that really what it was all about was psychedelic mushrooms, that these people were just trying to preserve this information when they were captured by the Romans.
It's fascinating if that is the root of it all.
The root of it all, just a few people trying to keep this experience, this connection to something else going, whether it's real or not, whether it's real or imagined.
Like I said, Christianity may be not real, but fucking helps you for sure.
Well, if something's going on, if it's fake, and yet it still helps.
I know a lot of people, believe it or not, they believe, and because they believe, they've become better, their life's been enriched.
So that's an effective tool, you know?
aubrey marcus
Sure.
Well, I mean, you also have to think, you know, obviously there needs to be a place for that, and Christianity can fill it, but is it the best tool to fill that?
joe rogan
Well, the thing about Christianity...
aubrey marcus
Could there not be a better one to develop?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
The difference between like, you know, a lot of people say like, why would you talk bad about someone's ideas when it comes to like Christianity, but yet you espouse all these ridiculous ideas when it comes to drugs?
Well, first of all, it's not all drugs, it's psychedelics.
And second of all, just try one.
Just take a deep mushroom trip and tell me there's not something going on.
It's really one of those things where it's a repeatable experience, you know, anyone You really can.
And then you'll understand what the fuss is all about because it's not as simple as a hallucination.
It's not.
There's definitely some perturbing of your visual senses, your perceptions of the world.
But then there's also a voice and there's a conversation with something that seems outer-worldly that's communicating with you in some sort of a telepathic way.
And there's always a deep insight into how your life works and a really clear illumination of all the issues that you've got going on.
Which is like, why would there be an experience that's both humbling and enlightening and guiding?
And why would there be that?
Is it just your imagination?
Really?
Is it that simple?
Is it that simple?
Or is this how a life form comes?
aubrey marcus
Well, I mean, there's two ways to look at it.
Yeah, there's the what is actually happening way, but then there's the simple pragmatic effect of how it affects people who take it.
And overwhelmingly, the people who have taken these with the right intent in the right setting have these mystical experiences that change their life for the positive.
So whatever you're accessing, pragmatically, it's a positive benefit.
It fills this void to find the mystic.
Obviously, myself and you believe that there is something else out there that you're accessing, for sure, and the traditions do as well.
But either way, just on a purely pragmatic approach, it's having positive benefits on a human's life.
joe rogan
Huge positive benefit.
Studiable.
Johns Hopkins University did that recent magic mushroom study that they did, improved long-term psychological health.
I mean, this is a legit university.
They're coming to this conclusion after doing tests on people.
The point there is they say they found a sweet spot where we can optimize the positive, persistent effects and avoid some of the fear and anxiety that can occur and be quite disruptive, says lead author Roland Griffiths, professor of behavioral biology at Hopkins.
So what he's essentially saying is, what everyone's been saying, you need a shaman.
A shaman doesn't just throw you out into the fucking woods, but gives you the correct dose and allows you to achieve this state of oneness.
Whatever it is, let's just call it bliss.
So we take out all the woo Let's just call this state of enhanced experience that is a psychedelic bliss.
aubrey marcus
It's bliss mixed with self-reflection and critical self-reflection.
joe rogan
Very fair, honest, and uncomfortable at times.
And that's a hallmark of all psychedelic experiences is the personal reflection.
And eating marijuana.
Eating marijuana is one of the most personal, reflecting things you can do.
That's why a lot of people hate it.
You know, they hate when they go too deep, when they fuck up and eat a brownie, like, you bitch, and then they sit down and freak out about the fucking world.
As much as you think you're looking at the whole thing, I bet you're not looking at it all, because you can't.
In order to get in your fucking car and get on the 405 every day and drive into downtown L.A., The only way you can do that every day is if you compartmentalize your thinking.
And if you're thinking about the very structure of the universe, you get subatomic particles, you start thinking about waves and string theory.
And craziness, and what is cells, and biology, and the different organisms that live in your body, and the healthy bacteria you consume, and yogurt, and fucking acidophilus, and like, what's going on here?
You can't.
There's not enough room for that.
You can't process all that shit, so you gotta put your blinders on.
But then you eat that brownie, and...
It all just blasts into focus.
You feel your heartbeat.
It seems weird.
It seems tired.
aubrey marcus
The best analogy I heard was that taking psychedelics is like a banquet for the spirit.
It takes a while to prepare.
It's very rich.
It takes some time to digest.
You can't do that every day.
And what fills the void, eating dinner in this analogy, is meditation and just doing a little bit.
It could be yoga.
It could be 10 minutes in your house.
But actually finding that point of stillness, In our lives, that's dinner.
And then the banquet is when you get to really go into the void and bring back some knowledge and some different experience.
But I think that would be the one thing, if we could create one rule, and if I could say I had omnipotent power, the one rule would be that there would be some shamanistic tradition that had a coming-of-age custom ceremony in the world in which when you came of age as a society, You know, you had a psychedelic mystical experience with a trained guide with your peers and with your elders and had this community experience, even if it was only just one.
So you got to experience and taste that something else that's wholly other than just yourself and kind of transcend your own ego, even for one evening.
And I think that would make single-handedly the most difference as far as change in society.
You know, that one coming-of-age ritual in which, you know, they got to experience that.
I think that would be it.
joe rogan
Unless someone made it like boot camp.
Now you are a warrior!
And you fucking take your sword and go out in the world and try to fucking cut down your kingdom.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
No, it couldn't be like that.
But the shamans don't, you know, they never...
And I wouldn't say never.
Obviously, there's different shamans.
But the tradition is not in that.
It's in transcending the ego.
And a lot of those kind of warmongering mentalities are very ego-driven.
unidentified
Like, I will stomp you because I am strong.
aubrey marcus
You know, you don't get that from the psychedelic experience.
I mean, you could get that from certain mushroom experience.
joe rogan
Well, didn't the Norsemen?
Yeah.
They got it from Amanita Muscaria.
They would go berserker.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, you can certainly channel it into some very invincible, aggressive states.
joe rogan
Especially if that's like your reality.
I mean, that's what you...
You want Odin to guide you to victory, man.
I mean, your reality is not...
There are no vacation homes for the fucking Vikings.
There is no Disneyland resort that you can take the kids.
It's about cutting people's heads off before they cut your heads off.
It's about storming the beaches and taking all the women.
That's what he wants.
Some mushrooms to help him out with this.
There was no other way to live, you know?
Were there any, you know, pacifist Vikings?
aubrey marcus
No, they didn't survive.
joe rogan
Conscientious, objective Vikings?
aubrey marcus
They didn't make babies.
joe rogan
Yeah, none of that going on back then, bitch.
You're there for one reason, to make little baby Brock Lesnar's.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
unidentified
That was the goal, yeah.
aubrey marcus
I think mushrooms in particular allow you...
I believe that there's kind of two energetic forces out there.
And they're not good and they're not evil.
One's just...
You can call it the dark or you can call it the light.
But one's more really the primal side of life.
It's that kill or be killed.
It's that kind of savage animal...
Dominant side.
And that has a certain energy that has some destruction elements to it.
But it's all, like you said, it's all part of the same thing.
joe rogan
And some people, no.
Some people don't have it.
And some people are really purely intellectual.
And they're not connected to the physical, but their intellectual is off the fucking charts.
And I think that's also a part of this big, crazy puzzle.
Is that there's a you, and there's a me, and there's a Brian.
It's like that old song.
unidentified
It takes every kind of people to...
joe rogan
I mean, it sounds so stupid and ridiculous and simple, but it really does.
I mean, in order to accomplish this greater goal, this bizarre, multicultural, uber-complex civilization, it really does require almost every conceivable personality all working together.
aubrey marcus
I agree, but I still think that people should strive for internal balance.
I think that leads to the biggest happiness.
joe rogan
Sure, especially if you're pulled towards that, if you feel like it's missing in your life.
And for a lot of people, that is the case.
A lot of people are very unhappy.
A lot of people do not feel fulfilled.
I feel very lucky that everything I enjoy that I do in my life, I enjoy these things.
I enjoy every podcast I do.
I enjoy all of my friends.
brian redban
Except Saturdays.
joe rogan
Saturdays kind of sucked, but that wasn't your fault.
Shit happened, man.
You just...
You can't get Daryl Wright and a porn star in one room and expect fucking sparks.
If you can figure out a way to do that, to find whatever it is you do that you really get satisfaction with, whether it's carpentry or whether it's painting pictures or whatever the fuck it is, That really is one of the most important things.
And then, no cunts.
Have a no cunt rule.
Just no cunts.
Don't be a cunt.
Just stop it.
You know, when people get mad at me on the message board because I keep fucking pinking people and banning people, the way my message board is set up on JoeRogan.net There's a bunch of moderators, all of them I know personally, or at least I know them online, and they're all really cool.
And they don't want you being a douchebag.
It's really simple.
If you act too annoying, you're trying too fucking hard, you stumble in, piss off people, you get cunty, you just get moved to this stupid room.
In this stupid room, you get a pink name, and now everybody knows you fucked up.
You either acted like an asshole, or you were rude, or...
You got annoying.
Whatever the fuck it is.
You're not being cool.
You're not enhancing things.
And for some reason, people think that you're supposed to, by giving them free speech, you allow them into your little cyber room.
You allow them to be cunts.
People have mistaken free speech for you can be a cunt with no repercussions.
Like, I'm on the internet!
What about free speech?
It's like, this isn't speech.
You're just cunty.
You're allowed to talk, but I don't have to listen.
I shut you off.
I don't want you around.
Do you not understand that you're an unpleasant vibe?
No one's stopping you from starting your own message board.
No one's starting you.
But what they're saying is, in a cyber home, you're not welcome anymore.
Because you're annoying.
Because you come over and you bring a bad vibe.
And people, for whatever fucking reason, because they're so entitled with this sense of anonymity and this unnatural way of behaving that people have because there's no social repercussions, the norm is to be cunty.
The norm is to say bitchy shit that would make me tell you to get the fuck out of my party.
And you think you could just do that.
And they think they could just do it and get away with it.
And you're an asshole if you call them out.
Like, dude, just stop talking about me.
Stop being a dick.
Go away.
Bye-bye.
Imagine having a party.
And some guy comes over and just criticizes everything you're saying and says you're half-retarded and some of your ideas.
Like, oh, okay.
Get out of my fucking house, dude.
Just go.
They don't get it, man.
They don't get it.
There's other ways to communicate, you fuck.
And you're thinking that there's only one way because you've been doing it this way for so fucking long, you actually feel entitled to be a cunt.
Treat it like it's a house.
Would you come over to someone's house and you're meeting them and would you communicate with them like that?
If you would, I would kick you out.
It's really that simple.
Don't think you can come into my cyber house and not get kicked out for being annoying.
brian redban
Don't make me buble you.
Oh shit, I just did.
Have you been bubled?
Is there an update?
joe rogan
Nothing.
brian redban
I haven't seen anything.
joe rogan
I haven't seen anything.
brian redban
What they call that buble denial.
joe rogan
Dude, I haven't seen a goddamn thing.
It's true.
brian redban
Do you watch Saturday Night Live?
joe rogan
No, I don't watch Saturday Night Live.
brian redban
You watched Fear Factor last night?
unidentified
I watched that.
joe rogan
Well, you saw Buble 32 times.
I had to tweet it.
I was tweeting live.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
I was wondering if you were doing that for...
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I told them I would do it.
Oh, that's cool.
It's fun, but I can't give away spoilers.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
I have to make sure that everything I'm saying is like...
No spoilers.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just gotta protect the information from the people.
Speak...
brian redban
You were watching East Coast time.
How the fuck...
unidentified
Is that because you have direct TV? Yo, I just know shit, though, yo.
joe rogan
Dog, I know people.
I know to hook that shit up.
I see.
I wanted to bring something out while...
Aubrey's here.
And yes, his name used to be Chris.
If you go back and go, man, there used to be a podcast where there was a guy that looked just like that.
brian redban
No second thoughts, huh?
aubrey marcus
It's actually finally gotten to the point where Chris sounds weird to me.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
It's not that many people that can pull off changing their fucking name and having us not make fun of it.
We gotta make fun of it a little.
I guess you got a little of it.
unidentified
I get a little bit of it.
joe rogan
But it ain't that bad.
aubrey marcus
I still get a few of it.
Hey, who's that girl, Aubrey?
brian redban
Especially in Texas, I would imagine.
Usually you go named Aubrey.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you ever wear beaded bracelets?
Do you ever do that?
aubrey marcus
No, not usually.
I do have some.
joe rogan
You call yourself Aubrey and you have like wooden beads.
brian redban
He has his shells.
Oh, the shell necklaces.
joe rogan
Isn't that a John Heffron joke?
brian redban
Is it?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Hey, I wanted to talk because, you know, obviously we know each other originally from the fleshlight.
A lot of people might not know that.
And then we're sort of in business together and on it and making Alpha Brain and...
Shroom Tech Sport.
By the way, I love that fucking Shroom Tech.
That stuff's the shit before jiu-jitsu.
It's great for working out.
Is there B12 in that too?
aubrey marcus
There is.
How much B12? Methylcobalamin, there's like 2,000 micrograms in there.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
aubrey marcus
But the methylcobalamin is a different type of B12 than the cyanocobalamin.
Cyanocobalamin actually creates a molecular cyanide when it's released into the body, but methylcobalamin is called methyl B12. A lot healthier for the body and a lot better.
But a lot of people take, like an athlete that gets an injection, that's tens of thousands of micrograms of B12. So it's water-soluble, releases any excess, just releases through urine.
So the body will utilize what it can and then just pee out the rest.
joe rogan
And the cordyceps mushroom was first used by Chinese athletes?
Is that who they figured it out first?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, first used by Chinese.
But they figured it out 2,000 years ago.
Cordyceps, you know, the herd's been in northern Tibet and China.
They're in extremely high altitudes.
And up there in those altitudes, the herds and the people get very sluggish.
And they notice that when a certain type of mushroom was available and on the ground and the herds would eat it, the herds would become particularly active.
And they would be moving around.
They'd have more endurance.
They'd be able to push them harder and they'd be playing more.
And so, you know, back in the day, that was your biggest cue if you were just a person kind of looking around.
So they took a look at these and they tried them themselves and found the same results.
And what we know now is that the cordyceps mushroom, it's actually a symbiont to the ghost moth, which is the host for the mushroom.
And what they believe that it does is the same thing that it does in people And in other animals that ingest it, it increases the oxygen utilization and cellular energy of the animal, of the moth itself, to allow the moth in this extremely high altitude plane to be able to fly better, to be able to fly longer, and actually survive and adapt.
And then when the moth dies, the cordyceps mushroom actually springs out of it.
And so the first people to discover it in form of like real athletic competition was Coach Ma and the Chinese Olympic team back in Beijing.
joe rogan
Shroom tech, and then you die.
Are mushrooms going to grow out of your fucking head?
I'm serious, man.
Is it like those ants?
Is it like those ants in the Amazon?
Whatever jungle it is, where those ants get infected by spores, and then those spores explode out of their fucking head and contaminate the other ants.
aubrey marcus
These are dead and dried.
Otherwise, it could be possible.
Really?
These are dead and dried.
joe rogan
If they're dead and dried, then what is the benefit?
Where's the benefit coming from?
aubrey marcus
It's still coming from what's inside the mushroom.
There's a lot of available raw adenosine, which is what is an important factor in the ATP-ADP cycle.
joe rogan
So don't go growing your own cordyceps mushroom and just eating them bitches.
aubrey marcus
The digestive system will kill all that anyways.
joe rogan
But it doesn't on ants.
aubrey marcus
It's a different mushroom for ants.
Cordyceps is only found in the high regions of Tibet and China.
And it was actually the most expensive nutritional compound in the world for a while.
It was getting up to over $20,000 a kilo of cordyceps mushroom at some point.
joe rogan
Is it because it's really hard to grow?
aubrey marcus
It's impossible to grow, really.
Until they could only wild cultivate it from these moths.
It was very difficult.
Until Aloha Nutritional, the company that we get it from, Dr. John Holliday, he made some...
Real advances in medicine that allowed him to cultivate it in a competitive substrate that allows the cordyceps to grow and be very effective in a cultivated state.
Otherwise, they had to...
joe rogan
Yeah, explain the competitive aspect of it because that's really fucking fascinating.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, so they grow it in like a brown rice kind of compote substrate.
And what they found is that mushrooms have to compete for a variety of things.
When they come upon a log or any kind of different environment when they're in, depending on what's out there, they will...
Put out anti-competition compounds, which actually both strengthen their own species and also eliminate the other species.
So if there's a bunch of bacteria, they'll excrete certain things to thwart the bacteria that's trying to get at the decomposing lung.
But if there's other mushrooms, there's certain anti-competition compounds available in those mushrooms that's going to allow the mushroom to actually thrive.
And some of those anti-competition compounds are some of the bioactive compounds that are found in the mushrooms.
joe rogan
Wow, that's fucking badass.
So by putting them in a competitive environment, it makes them stronger.
aubrey marcus
So in the cordyceps, you get more raw adenosine.
And the oxygen utilization is another really cool thing.
And that's very easy to test, actually.
Because you can actually take a mask, and the oxygen level is normally 20%.
And you breathe it out at 13%.
And then you put the mask on, and after taking cordyceps for two weeks, you'll come out, and the oxygen you intake is still at...
It's still at 20%, but you're breathing out at 8%, which was one of the studies that they showed.
So that's a 50% increase, roughly, 40% increase.
joe rogan
That seems like everybody would have to take it then.
Is that really possible?
That seems like too high.
I don't notice it that high.
I don't feel like it's that high when I take it.
I don't feel like I have 50% more endurance.
aubrey marcus
Well, that's just oxygen utilization, though.
That's not endurance.
It's not measuring the actual endurance capacity.
joe rogan
Oxygen utilization should be a huge part of that, though, no?
aubrey marcus
It should be a big part.
And that study's been out.
It's actually posted on the site.
Other studies have shown varying different degrees, but always oxygen utilization is a key.
And also, adenosine providing increased ATP synthesis versus ADP. The biggest boost that I ever got endurance-wise is when I had my nose fixed because my nose was all fucked up and broken inside.
joe rogan
I couldn't get any air through it.
I was a mouth breather.
And then once I got my nose fixed, I was like, literally, like, I got a 20% bump in my cardio.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's a big difference.
joe rogan
It's amazing, you know?
That was the most amazing, obvious thing that I realized.
But this is a fucking close second.
When I have, like, real hard workouts, man, you know, especially, like, jujitsu class, like, you know, I rolled for the first time in a while last night, and I rolled, like, You know, deep into the class.
Like, a lot of times, you know, you go five or six guys and you just don't want to do it anymore.
You're just done.
But this, like, gets me one extra role.
I feel like it's not easy, but it gets me one extra role.
And at the end of it, where I'm like, wow, I feel like I feel all right.
It 100% gives you a boost.
But it doesn't give me that cracked out, red There's no stimulants in it.
aubrey marcus
So surrounding the cordyceps, which is providing cellular energy versus glandular energy.
Glandular energy is basically tricking your body to release adrenaline.
That's what caffeine and all these things are doing.
You're basically releasing more adrenaline.
So you feel like you have energy, but your actual cells, which are still using the ATP cycle to produce energy, don't have any extra energy.
So you push harder because you think you have more energy.
joe rogan
And you crush your adrenals.
Kevin James was told by his doctor he had to stop drinking coffee.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's killing his adrenals.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's just pushing that button over and over again until the button just doesn't have as much to give.
joe rogan
The button just turns to a leathery sack.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, this is operating on a totally different mechanism.
That's why you get that kind of physical burst.
It's subtler than people.
People who are used to taking it, oh, explode.
They might be like, oh, this shit sucks.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I wanted to ask you about this.
I like that Jack 3D. I like that stuff before it worked out.
Can I take the two of them together?
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
joe rogan
There's no negative repercussions doing that?
aubrey marcus
They're doing completely different things.
joe rogan
Jack3D makes you fucking, you just feel like you got some energy too.
That stuff's good.
And by the way, we have no affiliation with Jack3D.
Use whichever nitric oxide supplement you enjoy.
But a buddy of mine told me about Jack3D.
He's like, dude, I like this stuff.
When I started taking it, I was like, just give you a little boost.
You know what else is great too?
Beta-alanine.
Beta-alanine, Dr. Ulis told me about this.
Ulis is a famous sports doctor, and he said this is one of the few things that he's noticed over the past few years, supplements that he finds to be really legit as far as muscle building, muscle recovery.
He's found that he makes big gains with this stuff, or quicker gains than he's used to, and he's pretty in tune with his body.
That's another thing about this shroom tech stuff.
I think you have to be in tune with your body.
And, you know, when people ask me, like, hey, what should I buy?
You know, this stuff.
Should I buy that Shroom Tech stuff?
Like, do you work out?
How hard do you work out?
If you don't work out really hard, save your money.
brian redban
Wouldn't it be nice just for the energy boost, though, instead of having Starbucks every day?
unidentified
If you're using Starbucks every day and you want that kind of energy, it's a different kind of blast.
aubrey marcus
Like, once you start working out, that's when you really start to feel it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I get that Starbucks.
When you get a grande coffee at Starbucks and you two sips in and you fucking love everything, fuck you, I want to go fucking paint my car, you know?
You get almost like a meth crank, sort of a really excited feeling to it.
You don't ever get that with Shroom Tech.
Trenta.
Oh my god, that's 30 ounces?
brian redban
Yeah, that's the size of your stomach.
joe rogan
Dude, you're going to die.
brian redban
I'll do one of those a day.
joe rogan
That's going to jack your whole system, man.
aubrey marcus
Sleep Tech.
joe rogan
Yeah, you must be massively addicted to that.
aubrey marcus
The other Shroom Tech product, though, everybody should definitely consider doing it.
joe rogan
Shroom Tech Immune.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, Shroom Tech Immune.
joe rogan
And what is the difference?
What's the stuff in Shroom Tech Immune?
aubrey marcus
A whole different set of mushrooms.
So from Aloha Medicinals, Dr. John Holliday, his kind of flagship product is this product called IO Immune.
Which takes certain elements of these mushrooms that he grows together in the substrate.
It's actually a very specific part of it.
And they're called triple right-hand helix polysaccharide beta-glucans.
And what these particular mushrooms do, and they're present in chaga mushrooms in particularly strong quantities.
joe rogan
I take that.
aubrey marcus
What they do is they actually trigger an innate response from the immune system.
In the body's natural immune system, the gut is responsible for a lot of the natural killer cells that actually fight all the pathogens and entering bacteria, viruses, cancer cells that are shed.
What happens at an early age for us is with all the antibiotics that are in our water that we take, we end up killing scores of these probiotic bacteria in our stomach.
They are no longer available to create the amount of immune cells that can go attack any invading pathogens that get us sick all the time.
So we're at a natural disadvantage.
And they've done a ton of studies on this ioimmune.
They're using it in...
At the same time as cancer patients getting treatment for chemotherapy, at the same time that hepatitis B patients are getting treatment with lamivudine, which is a prescribed pharmaceutical viral therapy, and having dramatically positive results in combination with other treatments because it's raising the body's natural immune system.
And how it does it is these triple right-hand beta-glucan polysaccharide molecules, which are unique to these mushrooms, they are recognized by the body as foreign elements.
And so the body mounts up their charge of innate and natural killers, these T cells and different killer cells, and basically builds an army to deal with this that's actually a benign threat.
joe rogan
So there's a cardboard army coming at them and they have a hundred nukes.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
That's crazy.
So they're mounting, they're rallying, and they're creating more immune cells that are capable of handling actual threats.
joe rogan
And is that taxing on your system at all?
aubrey marcus
No.
The system is supposed to have more natural killer cells in it naturally, innately.
And as I was mentioning, I think you might have been doing something.
But what happens is when the gut gets all that probiotic bacteria gets killed from all the antibiotics in our different foods, we eat water and different drugs, they're not able to produce an adequate quantity.
So we're actually at an immune deficit naturally.
joe rogan
Do antibiotics actually make it from a cow into your body when you eat a cow?
aubrey marcus
There's a lot of people who believe so.
joe rogan
Has that been proven?
aubrey marcus
I don't know if it's been proven.
That's kind of the theory that goes on, and I'd have to do some more research on that.
brian redban
I would say it makes sense if you drink water with, you know, they say that there's stuff in the water, and it goes in your...
aubrey marcus
But who hasn't taken courses of heavy antibiotics?
joe rogan
All of us have.
aubrey marcus
And when you do that, you kill the probiotics.
And what moves in instead in its place is yeast.
And the analogy that I use, it's like once you get crabgrass in your lawn, you can sprinkle more seed by taking probiotics.
You can sprinkle more seed over the lawn, but it's not going to kill the crabgrass.
They've taken up and occupied that spot.
So we're operating.
Our natural immune cell producers are not there in the quantity that they should be, that they used to be.
And so, you know, really taking these particular mushroom stimulators is one way that we can actually build our army back up so it can fight off not only the little things, the little colds, the little flus, the little stuff that we just kind of deal with, but also, you know, a lot of the big things start small.
You know, different cells shed different mutated mated cells.
A dendritic cell should be around to just say, oh, that thing's fucked up.
I'm going to eat that.
But a lot of times that doesn't happen just because we don't have the available immune innate response to challenge that.
So Shrimp Tech Immune combines that proprietary compound, IOimmune, which has been well studied in a bunch of the studies, combines it with chaga mushroom, which is also another great mushroom that has a lot of the same triple right-hand helix beta-glucans.
It also has etulinic acid, which comes actually from the birch tree in which it is found.
So wild harvested chaga is actually better for you than cultivated chaga.
joe rogan
There was a dude who had some whole video where he was pushing chaga.
This is when I first started doing it.
Some crazy guys tattooed all over his whole body with some weird, like, different inks and shit.
So he was a mushroom specialist.
But he had one.
He had a chaga mushroom that he's holding up.
And it's like this big, fucking crazy-looking thing, man.
It doesn't look like a mushroom.
It looks weird, man.
It looks like a...
A hunk of a log or something, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird looking mushroom.
aubrey marcus
It is, yeah.
It grows only on the birch tree naturally in the wild.
joe rogan
You know mushrooms are closer to animals than they are to plants?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's a very interesting species.
joe rogan
It's a weird fucking thing.
The biggest organism in the world is a mushroom colony that lives in the Pacific Northwest.
aubrey marcus
Amanita bulbosa, I think, is the species name of that colony.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
aubrey marcus
It covers 37 acres.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a giant organism that is in the ground.
It's really nuts.
Could you imagine a 37-acre animal?
I mean, you could take chunks of it and make other beings.
You can import them other places.
But essentially, it's one sort of a being.
And it's like a network.
If mushrooms really do have intelligence, like when you eat There's a lot of people that believe that plants have a certain intelligence.
They just don't have the ability to communicate.
But if these mushrooms somehow have an ability to communicate because they're all connected like that and they have this intelligence they can communicate with each other, that's some incredible information superhighway that's in the forest up there.
aubrey marcus
Sounds very Avatar, but it's very possible.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
But look, Avatar is based on a lot of hippy-dippy, woo-woo ideas about the intelligence of plants.
But I've talked to people, I have to research whether or not it's real, but plants can tell when they're around certain persons who have harmed them.
Someone comes along and chops a fucking plant with an axe.
And that person is near the plant.
You can register it on the plant.
Don't know if it's true, though.
aubrey marcus
There's been some interesting studies on music influencing the growth of plants, like death metal versus classical music.
Yeah, there's some really interesting studies on that.
joe rogan
Nobody likes death metal.
Even plants.
Even plants.
They live in dirt and they survive on cow shit, but they have better taste than death metal.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, something about that energy.
joe rogan
Alpha brain is a very fucking polarizing subject I've found on the internet.
It's a fascinating thing, man.
Nootropics, you know, we've been talking about nootropics on my message board for like the longest time and I've been experimenting with them for years.
But until we started getting in the business of actually selling them, I didn't realize how cunty people can be about these things.
But one of the criticisms, and I think there's some legitimacy to this, is the way it's marketed.
And one of the things is...
And, you know, it's not on purpose, I don't think.
I think the way you set it up was you're just trying to be enthusiastic about it.
And the problem, somebody once said that, I forget where I wrote this, I believe I read it today, it might have been on the message board, but it was about in first impression that it's very difficult to take that back.
And once you create something and you put something out there and people get an idea of who you are, it's very difficult for them to correct that and normalize.
So you have to be really careful what your initial first thing is.
And one of the things that we get criticized with is this guy, Steve Novella, who's, I don't know, some super smart dude.
Do you know what...
aubrey marcus
I thought it was Yale, maybe?
Perhaps Yale University.
joe rogan
He doesn't say, but essentially he's criticizing the way that it's marketed, the way that the studies were put out there.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, and I think, you know, I think looking at that criticism, I think in any variety of criticism, I mean, I think you have to just learn and adapt and get better from it.
And I think he, you know, I think he has a very skeptical mindset, which I think in a lot of avenues is very positive, but I think...
You know, it can be overdone.
He actually runs a few shows called, you know, The Skeptic, some Skeptic Hour or some variety of different things.
So he has that kind of framework in mind.
But, you know, some of his criticisms are fair, you know, really.
And what, you know, taking that criticism and, you know, a lot of criticism from the board that even if it's very negatively put, applying that has helped, I believe, you know, us to become better, at least myself as a person, to become better as far as marketing that and You know, there's certain areas that you got to shore up and you got to be tighter and you got to be better and really try and present information so that just people have as much information as possible, can make educated decisions.
I mean, the many people who take AlphaBrain and have had amazing results, you know, that is, you know, that will be evidence for, you know, for a lot of people to give it a try.
And, you know, if they don't like it, then they can get their money back and they don't even have to send the bottle back in.
We'll give you your money back.
joe rogan
Some people have.
A lot of people have experienced positive results.
I personally experience positive results.
I use it every day.
I enjoy it.
I think it makes a difference.
When I don't take it, I feel it.
It's not a huge difference, but it's something.
It's a clarity.
I believe in it, 100%.
Just like with the Cordyceps Mushroom Supplement, I work out a lot.
I eat really healthy.
I know for the most part what's going on with my body and I can feel differences.
I know when I'm tired because of not enough sleep, too much work, whatever.
I know when things are in sync and when things are in sync and I've taken AlphaBrain, I feel a boost.
I feel a difference.
But other people know.
Other people, not only do they not feel something, they get sick.
I've talked to people online, and there's too many of them to ignore it, but they say it made them feel like shit.
What is that?
aubrey marcus
I think there's a certain sensitivity to Hipersea serrata, which is creating an acetylcholine boost, and that's something that we're addressing in future formulas.
It'll actually make somebody feel, potentially, and this is our best estimation of what's happening, but it seems like the case.
When they take too big of a dose, the acetylcholine levels get too Yeah, I tell people take one.
Take one.
Start off with one.
It's best to be conservative.
joe rogan
With food or without food?
How do you recommend it?
aubrey marcus
I like a light meal, especially if you're on taking one.
Maybe not a completely dead, empty stomach.
But if you pile it on to a giant cheeseburger, you've got so much stuff going on, it's going to be very difficult and it might just get pushed through.
joe rogan
Does it enhance its absorption using food?
aubrey marcus
No, it just enhances its tolerability to a certain degree.
joe rogan
See, it doesn't bother me at all.
I take it on an empty stomach.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I do too.
I do too.
But it's some people that may actually enhance the effects.
So until you get kind of comfortable with it, I think definitely best to be conservative and best to take some breaks too.
Start with one, see how you feel, and you don't have to take it every day.
joe rogan
What percentage of people do you think have an insensitivity to it?
It's a very small percentage.
aubrey marcus
Very small percentage.
I mean, overwhelmingly, the response has been positive.
I mean, we get those people.
All those people contact us for their money back.
We give them their money back.
And it's a very, very small percent.
I mean, that rate, I would have to say, is less than one out of every 200. But, you know, it is definitely a bummer and it's something we want to address.
And at least, especially by telling people to start conservative with their dosage.
And then taking a look at the Huperzia serrata.
And we actually have, you know, have some things in mind for the proper, you know, proper balances of Huperzia serrata to GPC choline to make sure that those are going to be better tolerated throughout the future of AlphaBrain.
Hopefully, just like I said, you learn and you try and improve and be the best product for everybody.
I think for some people, it won't work.
For some people, they may have an adverse reaction, but the overwhelming majority has spoken very positively.
It's great to hear that feedback from the product.
joe rogan
There's one of the dudes who's on the message board.
His name is James MMA. Very bright guy, and he's one of the skeptics or critics.
And you had a conversation with him about, he had asked you how it works, improving cognitive function, like what the fuck it does.
And you said basically that alpha brain is designed to provide the precursors and raw nutrients necessary to raise levels of important neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine, and GABA. Now, how is that done?
What's the mechanism that allows it to raise these levels of these important neurotransmitters?
aubrey marcus
Well, it just depends on which neurotransmitter you're talking about.
But if you're talking about acetylcholine, we come at that in two fronts.
The GPC choline is one of the raw nutrients involved in the production of acetylcholine.
So by providing more of the raw ingredient, it allows the body to produce more.
And then huperzi serrata is coming at a different angle.
That's actually inhibiting...
It's actually inhibiting the amount of acetylcholine that the body breaks down.
So it's providing more acetylcholine from a kind of a different angle by actually creating a surplus of what you currently have rather than the GPC choline, which is creating more raw material to provide the acetylcholine.
And the other neurotransmitters fall more along the lines of the GPC choline, where you're just providing the raw nutrients to allow the body to take the steps to produce those raw nutrients and turn those into the neurotransmitters.
And this is actually another thing.
This is the foundation of the new mood formula, which is providing...
There's four major neurotransmitters, as identified by Dr. Braverman.
And the other one is serotonin.
And 5-HTP... is the direct precursor to serotonin and in the same way in that product by providing the raw nutrient that the body then converts into serotonin you create a surplus of serotonin without having to take any other kind of prescription drugs and there's actually a cool study on that front to illustrate the point there's actually been a bit more research on the serotonin effect because of the massive Amounts of SSRI and prescription drugs in that field.
There's been a good amount of study done on 5-HTP. Dr. Poldinger had a study in 1991 where he compared 5-HTP to fluvoxamine, which is a SSRI, and the study showed that the...
joe rogan
What does SSRI stand for exactly?
aubrey marcus
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
joe rogan
And that's like Zoloft and Prozac.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, Paxil.
And basically it showed that the 5-HTP dosage, which was 100 milligrams a few times a day, was equal to the fluvoxamine in efficacy, but far outpaced it as far as tolerance, just because the body was able to go through its natural process and create more of its serotonin.
And the study turned out extremely positively.
The problem is that there's no patent available on 5-HTP. So, you know, everybody can go out and get it.
They can buy our product.
They can buy anybody else's product and get those similar effects.
joe rogan
I found out about 5-HTP from my friend Neil Brennan.
And Neil told me he's on it and he loves it.
It makes him feel good.
But Neil's also on an antidepressant.
Well, his doctor told him to get off the 5-HTP and stay on the antidepressant because he said taking the 5-HTP is like taking a second antidepressant.
So I said to him, I'm like, whoa, have you ever thought about just taking the 5-HTP? Is that possible?
Because it seems like that might be the better move than to have to get a prescription for some shit.
You can get 5-HTP at a fucking GNC store in the middle of Omaha, Nebraska.
You can be on the road.
It's not like you're saddled down to a fucking pharmacy and you need to have your doctor call in a prescription during business hours.
That's annoying.
aubrey marcus
Dr. Poldinger's study shows a lot of those ancillary benefits of not taking...
A prescription drug versus taking the natural drug.
joe rogan
Does it have the same effect for everybody?
5-HTP for everybody boosts serotonin?
aubrey marcus
It does.
Yeah, it definitely boosts serotonin.
I mean, how can you say something for everybody?
But in the people studied, in the many studies that they've done, 5-HTP has shown a dramatic improvement in those And the new mood is mixed with L-tryptophan as well.
Yeah, L-tryptophan.
So the chain reaction goes, L-tryptophan converts to 5-HTP, and then 5-HTP converts to 5-HT, which is actually serotonin.
If you ingested pure 5-HT, the body would destroy it and it wouldn't get anywhere.
But following it through the chain, the body's able to do that, especially with the help of vitamin B6, pyridoxine.
It's able to kind of complete that chain reaction of L-tryptophan to becoming 5-HTP to becoming serotonin.
So NuMood is pretty unique in that it has both L-tryptophan and 5-HTP as well as the catalyst vitamin B6. So while I'd love to study this in the future, the theory behind it being that we're creating both a more immediate transition between the 5-HTP to 5-HT and then a longer term transition between the L-tryptophan and To the 5-HTP to the 5-HT. So kind of providing a further spectrum along the chain.
And then we also combine it with a bunch of anxiolytic herbs, herbs to kind of relax you and, you know, help you help with insomnia.
One of our herbs, valerian, actually has a similar study.
The study done by Dr. Poldinger is comparing it to an over-the-counter, not an over-the-prescription drug called oxypasm, which is in the same category of a benzo.
It's a benzo.
It's the same category as Xanax.
And it compared valerian to oxypazin with the similar results to the 5-HTP study being that valerian had the same anxiolytic insomnia reducing effects but without the negative side effects of that.
So that's another powerful herb in the combination and a few others as well just to kind of ease your body into a state of relaxation and positive neurotransmitter boosting fundamentals.
joe rogan
Homeboy had another question, and this was the same dude, this James MMA guy.
I think he had a really good point about...
He's saying that your claim is that alpha brain enhances memory focus, mental speed, and mental drive.
And he said, can we rename mental drive to motivation?
First of all, mental drive is like, God, how subjective is that?
Who can say how you're driven?
Even if it gives you clarity, does it actually drive you?
Right?
So he's saying, would you say that those four are all of what AlphaBrain is supposed to do?
Is there other effects of which you want your product to claim?
Then I'd like to hear them as well.
Alright, now he's kind of being nitpicky.
aubrey marcus
Well, the dream effect is something that a lot of our, you know, the takers really enjoy.
And that's caused by, you know, I think I mentioned this in the last time, but that's caused by acetylcholine being the regulator of the REM state.
So, with more acetylcholine, you have a deeper and broader REM state, and REM being the dream state, you're able to access longer periods of that dreaming unconsciousness, so to speak, and also have more of a chance of turning those dreams lucid because of the breadth of the dream state that you're in, and also waking up during one of those states in which you will remember your dreams a lot better than if you wake up during one of the really deep, slow-wave, non-dreaming sleeps.
joe rogan
Is this theoretical or is this actually proven?
aubrey marcus
As far as waking up during REM sleep, they've proven that dreams happen during REM sleep.
joe rogan
Right, that's what I mean.
aubrey marcus
And they've proven that when you wake up during an REM sleep, you're more likely to remember your dreams than when you wake up during slow waves.
joe rogan
And how does acetylcholine play into that, though?
Was it proven it has an effect on dreams?
aubrey marcus
Your cycles are regulated by the brain unconsciously as it goes through.
And acetylcholine is...
They found one of the triggers for actually triggering the slow wave versus REM versus Interphase 1 or 2, whatever that is.
Acetylcholine is the trigger that actually triggers the length of REM sleep that you have.
So if you have more acetylcholine available, it's going to trigger a longer and deeper REM sleep.
joe rogan
So should you take alpha brain at night to enhance your sleep?
Does that make sense?
Or is that bullshit?
Because a lot of people say it makes them buzzy.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I wouldn't take it at night.
I don't think you need to take it at night.
I think if you take it during the day, your levels are still going to be enhanced for quite a while.
So I don't like to take it at night.
The latest I'll take it would be around 3, 4 o'clock because there is a kind of a stimulatory effect from the acetylcholine as well.
And REM is not the deepest part of your sleep.
It's actually one of the lighter parts.
So I do like to take it a little bit earlier.
I still get that dream kind of, the wild dream boost where I'm You know, like the other night where I was pulling a hammerhead shark out of a swimming pool and doing a variety of different crazy things, I still get that boost taking it early in the day.
And I think a lot of people will as well, but I would recommend that more than anything.
And then taking something like the New Mood, you would take that at night to kind of relax you and still make sure you're getting the most out of the restorative parts of your sleep as well.
joe rogan
To me, it seems like my dreams aren't so cool when I'm tired.
When I'm really beat down.
I've been doing a lot of traveling.
They don't hit me with this big, really bizarre, realistic style of dreams.
But when I'm really well rested and I'm taking the Alpha Brain, that's when I notice the really freaky fucking dreams.
That's when they're so durable.
Like in the middle of the dream, you wake up knowing that you're in the dream and somehow they stay in the dream.
I definitely find that more when I'm well rested, when I'm healthy.
I guess then you're calmer, I guess.
I don't know what it is.
aubrey marcus
When you're drawn down.
joe rogan
You're not as needy when you're sleeping.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, your body might be pushing you into more deeper restorative, kind of physically restorative sleep when you're in that kind of rundown state.
In which case you aren't having, even with the alpha brain present, you aren't having that kind of length of REM and breadth of REM sleep.
joe rogan
So one of the things this guy is saying is sometimes, just as something I do know via my own studies in neuroscience, the vast majority of people do not have a particular deficiency in acetylcholine, dopamine, or GABA. Well, there's certainly different theories on that.
aubrey marcus
I mean, I think in the optimal state of being with perfect diet, perfect sleep, good health, good workouts, and all of that, probably you're optimally functioning.
Does that mean that going above optimal functioning is okay from time to time and actually has some benefit and value?
I believe it does.
I believe you can, even if you are naturally healthy at a baseline, we're not trying to cover a deficiency.
We're not trying to cure a disease.
We're trying to give people You know, a feeling, a boost that can help them, you know, function and maneuver and accomplish their goals, whatever varied they may be.
So, you know, I think that, A, I do think that a lot of people are a little bit run down.
And I know I rely on Dr. Braverman of the Princeton Brain Bio Lab.
He did a lot of work there and he's doing a lot of active work now.
As the basis for kind of my thinking on this, but he did a bunch of tests on me, and I'm a fairly healthy dude.
I eat well, and I do my best to stay in shape, but all of my levels of neurotransmitters were actually depressed below.
And before I went to see him, I'd been doing a little partying.
He was in New York, so I saw some buddies in New York, went out to the bars.
And, you know, it made sense to me that my neurotransmitters were functioning at a lower level at that point because I could feel it.
I was kind of cloudy, kind of groggy.
And he pointed to that in all of the myriad tests he did.
We did tests over five days, blood tests and different cognitive tests and different things.
And found that.
And I think a lot of people operate on that, you know, just by the lifestyles that they live.
They operate in this state where they're under a lot of stress and they're under a lot of, you know, different things like caffeine and alcohol and these things that are causing adrenaline and different...
Different functionality to happen so that there are more people who have at least temporary deficiencies in a lot of these neurotransmitters.
And then for the people who don't, getting this extra boost might just be a little bit over the top.
joe rogan
Well, how many people actually get it actually tested?
I get uncomfortable when someone says that the majority of people don't have a particular deficiency in acetylcholine.
The majority of people aren't tested for acetylcholine deficiencies.
aubrey marcus
No, it's definitely not.
And a lot of people, if you talk to them...
joe rogan
Or anything.
The majority of people aren't tested for fucking vitamin B. Yeah, totally.
How many people get blood work to check their vitamin levels?
Very few.
Very few.
Isn't that the only way to tell?
unidentified
It is.
aubrey marcus
And actually with vitamin D, they're finding massive deficiencies when they're actually doing large-scale testing on that.
So it is very hard to tell.
joe rogan
So someone saying that, that's a bullshit thing to say.
aubrey marcus
Right.
Right.
I mean, but there are certainly a lot of healthy people, and they may have adequate levels, but it still doesn't invalidate the point of having an alpha brain.
I still do think that you can feel even better.
I mean, these are nutrients that are going to drive you in a certain direction.
So, you know, there's kind of both sides of the coin there, I guess, depending on how you look at it.
joe rogan
And here's the subtle yet cunty last question that he has.
I'm curious as to why it took so long to answer this question, given that you answered questions before and I asked this one, before I asked this one and questions after, when it should be the easiest question for you to answer.
That's a cunty question, sir.
That belays, that exposes your cunty nature.
And his fucking photo of, who is that guy?
What's that guy's name?
The author...
No, looks like Ben Stiller.
Sam something or other.
Letters to a Christian Nation.
What the fuck's the guy's name?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
But he's got an intellectual...
aubrey marcus
I appreciate all the challenges that people have.
I think it's good to think about all these things.
As much criticism as I get personally and as on it gets, I think ultimately if you take what you may call the crunchiness out of it, there's this real reflection on yourself that you can take a gaze at.
It's like fighters who either train with people who all love you and care about you.
You go with savages that want to Kill you and take your head off.
Well, you'll learn more from the savages.
You'll learn different things about yourself, holes in your game and weaknesses.
I think actually, even talking to you, it's not an easy thing to learn, but learning to just take the meat of the criticism and try and not take the barbs of it.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, it's hard.
I know you kind of created a lot of what the website is, but I go to the website and there's certain stuff I look at.
I'll go, this is a little fucking market-y.
You know what I mean?
I will.
We'll go over it.
We'll go over it.
Because I don't personally think it needs to be that way.
I think the product stands on its own and I think the subject is very interesting.
And what I always tell people on the program is just look into nootropics.
I mean, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you address some of the shit that's been said and let people know there's no evidence whatsoever that any of this stuff is dangerous, right?
aubrey marcus
No.
brian redban
What happened to Roll On and Roll Off?
aubrey marcus
New Mood has taken over the Rollover and has become a better product.
joe rogan
That's another part, the partying aspect.
aubrey marcus
Those are the origins of this experiment.
joe rogan
People, for whatever reason, you can't be a serious person.
brian redban
So Rollover is pretty much the Shroom Tech New Mood.
And then what's Roll On now?
Anything?
aubrey marcus
Roll-On kind of got divided into two aspects.
It was trying to do too many things at once.
So the Shroom Tech Sport provides that kind of energy element, and then the Shroom Tech Immune provides the health element that was the second component.
So that's kind of been divided into two.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
that people are full of shit.
And when you have anything that they can criticize, anything, any weakness in the link that they can point to and go, oh, he sells fucking alpha nails.
You know?
brian redban
Hey, let me see your nails.
joe rogan
He doesn't have alpha nails on.
It's totally normal.
I mean, come on, man.
Alpha nails is like a Saturday Night Live sketch.
aubrey marcus
Well, you know how that developed?
joe rogan
A lot of fighters wear nail polish.
aubrey marcus
A lot of fighters wear nail polish.
And one of my best friends is Roger Huerta, and we were talking about it.
And all of these fighters still have to go to that Sally Jensen aisle in the supermarket and buy those dainty little nail polishes.
joe rogan
Well, they don't really need nail polish.
aubrey marcus
They don't, but they can do it, so they do do it.
brian redban
That's if they're fancy.
aubrey marcus
That's it.
Well, there are some benefits.
Some of the fighters say that, you know, they put it on their toes because if they've been stomped in the toe and their nail is going to fall off, it'll hide that potential damage.
Some people just say, you know...
I don't know.
There's a few practical reasons.
Also that it prevents chipping and kind of your nail from breaking, coming apart and heavy training.
unidentified
Really?
aubrey marcus
Well, it's kind of like putting a coat of glue over the top of your nail.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's why Frank Trigg started using it.
And they used to call him Twinkle Toes Trigg because he would paint up his nails to protect them.
aubrey marcus
They could use clear coat, but they don't use clear coat.
They use paint because why the fuck not?
Because they're fighters and anybody who says that they're gay or not.
I do it once in a while.
But it's something that we kind of developed as a different alternative for that.
But it's funny.
People get pretty serious about criticizing all variety of things.
joe rogan
Here's some beautiful dopiness right here.
This is just cuntiness.
This guy's talking about alpha brain.
He goes, if you're under 35 and you take it, you're effectively throwing your perfectly balanced neurotransmitter levels out of balance.
Hmm.
I wonder if that's in capital the reason why some people say it makes them sick or it doesn't work.
Ugh.
Just the sick, typical business tactics that virtually everyone in the industry uses.
Like, you dumb fuck.
Are you not listening to any of this, you fucking shithead?
There's some people it can benefit, stupid.
And if you don't like it, you don't have to focus on it.
If it's not your thing, you don't have to get into it.
But people are looking for something to point a finger on.
There's a lot of people out there that are looking to be empowered by criticizing.
Be empowered by pointing a finger.
If you don't like it, don't buy it, stupid.
And if you're under 35 and you take it, oh, because you've done extensive studies, you know, the exact time when people need it?
Shut up, stupid.
You're just being a cunt.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I was well under 35 when I was studied and certainly not a large candidate for it.
And I was shown to be deficient in a variety of these neurotransmitters.
And I promise I was as healthy or healthier than a good amount of people.
brian redban
Will we ever see Onnit in stores?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, absolutely.
We're working on that.
brian redban
I'm trying to get my dad Onnit.
joe rogan
We'll just sell it to him.
We'll send it to him, man.
I said sell it to him.
I meant send it to him.
unidentified
We'll sell it to him.
Let's just hear that.
joe rogan
Get your dad's money, bro.
brian redban
He used to keep on going rogue, Gary.
joe rogan
Dad used to come up with the money, bro.
Come on, daddy.
aubrey marcus
They'll always be the advantage of buying it directly from us because we'll be able to honor that money-back guarantee.
It'll be up to the stores if you buy it in the stores.
brian redban
You need to get that on Amazon, man.
Amazon's just so easy nowadays.
Like with food items, any of the grocery items, you can have it so it sets every month just to automatically send you certain items like I did with coconut water and stuff like that.
It's so nice.
It's like gifts every...
Joe, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
What, Brian?
Is that you?
unidentified
Are you there?
joe rogan
Anyway.
What do you want to talk about?
brian redban
Nothing.
joe rogan
Okay, good.
I got a message board filled with idiots.
Why I think borrowing other comedians' jokes on stage is okay.
I should pink this guy just because it's so fucking stupid.
Either he's trolling.
unidentified
First of all, I know this will be controversial, but hear me out.
joe rogan
I think it's okay to borrow other comedians' material because stand-up comedy is a performance art.
He does it in all caps.
Why is it when idiots want to make a point and they think it's profound, they put it in all caps?
Oh, it's a performance art.
Shut up, stupid.
It's a stealing joke.
It's that simple.
He's got a thing about Dennis Leary, about talking about how great Dennis Leary is.
brian redban
I could hardly handle your message board anymore.
I could hardly handle Twitter anymore.
Some guy on Twitter the other day asked my girlfriend if she would like to be kidnapped and raped for a couple days.
joe rogan
Well, what do you think, bro?
You put it out there in the podcast.
What do you expect?
brian redban
No, no, no.
This is a guy that doesn't know about me or anything.
This is just a creepy guy, because he does it to a lot of girls.
unidentified
And you look at his Twitter, and he's just like this angry, like, man, what if I... Maybe he's waiting for a chick to say, yeah, come fucking rape the shit out of me, son.
brian redban
Wouldn't it be cool to have your own internet?
It's a friends list of your internet.
joe rogan
Well, that's sort of what it is on Twitter.
When you block somebody, you find shitheads, you block them.
That's sort of what it is with the message board.
When shitheads pop up, you block them.
What bothers me, man, is just the numbers on the message board are so great at this point.
It's gotten to such a crazy point where there's over 6 million posts on this fucking board.
5,798,000.
That's crazy.
That's so many people.
It's so hard to keep track of everybody.
What you've got to do is just weed out the cunts.
When you find weeds in your grass, just pull them out and pluck them.
But there's so many of them, and there's so many trolls.
There's so many people that are just doing it for reactions.
Even my friends, like Anon.
He trolls all the time.
And I just look at the arguments that he presents, and they're just so ridiculous.
But then he'll be in a fucking 30-page argument, you know, 30 pages of people biting his troll.
brian redban
That's good stuff.
It's so stupid!
If you're in on it, it's great.
joe rogan
It's a waste, sort of, but it's a massive waste.
Maybe we should have a no-troll zone where you're not allowed to troll.
But it's also an intelligence test to a lot of people.
Because some trolls are so fucking obvious, when people are jumping on them, you're like, God, really?
Like the one with the guy who just talked about comedian stealing.
Either he's an idiot or that's a successful troll.
He got us to talk about it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, people love that for whatever fucking reason.
All these dingbats out there love just getting someone's reaction.
unidentified
Ha!
I win!
joe rogan
You responded!
I guess I win!
Like, what a weird way to win.
Just be a massively annoying cunt until someone calls you out on it and then you go, pwned!
You know, like...
What a ridiculous game you're playing where it's impossible for you to lose.
All you have to do is just be really annoying until someone calls you on it and then you're a winner.
Like, talk about setting the bar low, man.
I mean, is that like the lowest bar ever?
All you have to do is be enough of a shithead that somebody points it out and then you're a winner.
Everybody's going to have to be their own fucking name soon.
That's going to fix everything.
That's one of the things with Twitter that somebody pointed out that's a really good point.
I said most people on Twitter, look at your fucking name, boom, there's your name.
Most people have Joshua, blah, blah, blah.
They have their fucking name on their Twitter page.
brian redban
Somehow Facebook just added my fucking phone number.
I didn't put my phone number on my Facebook.
And the other day, somebody's like, why do you have your real phone number on your Facebook page?
And I'm like, are you fucking serious?
And it's like, my app or my iPhone must have done it or something.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian redban
You might want to check that shit, man, because I didn't do it.
joe rogan
I don't have my phone on anything.
That's ridiculous, though.
brian redban
And then this Twitter shit, the location, it set to default on the other day.
And I'm like, great, I just told everybody where I live.
joe rogan
Remember I got hacked?
My Twitter got hacked and they were saying something about joining a contest and winning an iPad 2. They got Lady Gaga.
Lady Gaga sent out a tweet to like 100 million people, whoever the fuck she's got on her Twitter page, about an iPad 2. Wow.
Because apparently Lady Gaga does her own Twitter, and everybody likes to know that, which I do too.
I'm not comparing myself to Lady Gaga.
brian redban
No one can compare to you, Joe.
joe rogan
No one can compare to Gaga.
you know so they can do that somehow or another they get into your account like if you i don't know what you have to do but there must be some legal way they're doing it because it can't be as simple as they get your password because they don't seem to be sending a bunch of other shit out with it it's just this one tweet that keeps repeating about you know sign up for an ipad too that seems to be the one that everybody gets ganked with well that's a money market they probably just have the most machines pointed at hacking how do they do that how are they getting are they
Getting your Password generators probably.
aubrey marcus
Is that what it is?
brian redban
See the password generators and you click on a link and you're not logged in and you log in by mistake.
aubrey marcus
Someone hits you with like a keystroke tracker, some other more devious virus like that, but usually it's just kind of password generators.
Those are complicated passwords are important.
joe rogan
Are those that common keystroke generators?
Is that what happens?
Say if someone, if you get a virus, what will happen is if you go to somewhere and use a credit card, it'll store that information.
brian redban
Yeah, it records everything.
Kind of like that droid shit.
joe rogan
IQ client, whatever it was.
Have you seen that shit?
They found out there was some sort of, what is it, IQ client?
Is that what it is?
ICQ client, I don't know.
There was a program they found running in the background of droids that was storing every single stroke that you made, every number that you dialed, every word that you sent a text message, and sending it to a database somewhere.
aubrey marcus
That's no good.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's some giant class action lawsuit, man.
It's nuts, man.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, you gotta watch out for these different things as technology expands, but I don't know.
It's difficult to fight.
brian redban
Yeah, except you have to at least be in it a little.
I was talking to my sister yesterday, because she's like, should I get an iPhone?
I'm like, yes, just get an iPhone.
They're like, well, T-Mobile's saying I could have this free MyTouch 3D or whatever.
I'm like, seriously, get off of T-Mobile, go to Verizon, get an iPhone or whatever.
She's like, are you sure?
And then she's asking me these other questions about technology.
joe rogan
Some people love droids, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Yeah, yeah, I know.
unidentified
Is that okay?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
But she was asking me these other questions of technology around her house, and she goes, how much would I have to pay just to get Wi-Fi in my house?
Is it like $70, $80?
I'm like, what?
And she thought you had to pay $80 a month just for Wi-Fi.
And so I had to explain to her how no Wi-Fi is just a box that hooks up to your internet that you already have.
So for, what, 10 years?
She hasn't had Wi-Fi because she thought it was like $70 a month.
joe rogan
Why didn't she ask somebody?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
That's just a thing on your sister.
I don't think you could use that.
brian redban
No, I mean, but there's a lot of people that are like that that refuse.
Yeah, refuse to.
And my sister's younger than me.
I'm like, you should be more of a computer nerd than me.
joe rogan
Hipped to this shit.
brian redban
Yeah.
You're totally out of it.
She hasn't had a smartphone.
She's still on a flip phone, you know?
joe rogan
Wow.
brian redban
And it's just like, come on, you're a younger girl.
joe rogan
Well, some people, they don't want any more distractions in their life.
They don't want to be able to watch TV on their phone.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
For some people, it's porn.
Some dudes have a problem with porn on their phone.
I was reading about this.
Guys have fucking gigs of porn on their phone.
brian redban
Esther has porn on their phone.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Yeah, she used to.
Ew.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's grosser when it's a girl.
Especially the little one, like Esther.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just thinking about her, just shoving things in there.
So as we bring this fucking odd podcast home, we never really did figure out a way to fix this situation.
aubrey marcus
We flirted with it, but we didn't drive at home.
joe rogan
We danced around it and we just gave it.
aubrey marcus
We gave it the date that's looking around for another person to take care of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I think the number one thing that's going to happen is some of the people that are in power have to slowly die off.
They have to get old and pass on.
And then the young people have to move into a position of power where they kind of...
Grow up with the internet and grow up with a better understanding of how they're perceived and how the world works and how things don't have to be as greedy and fucked up and corrupt as they are.
Halliburton didn't have to make that much money.
Enron didn't have to make that much money.
So much of what happened didn't have to happen.
So much of the money that changed hands and so much of the transactions that transpired, they weren't necessary.
It got too crazy.
And I think the upcoming generations will see that.
That will be historical.
aubrey marcus
I think we're seeing it now.
And I think that this talk of the return of Quetzalcoatl, the new type of man that's going to change things, I think really what that may be is just the movement.
And I think we're all part of that kind of new person that's arriving, that new consciousness that's creating itself.
And I think there will be leaders that will emerge from that movement.
But the movement itself is what's key.
All of us who are, you know, playing our part, kind of expanding, you know, what we're open to in our beliefs and both riding that balance between skepticism and an open mind, you know, have to be, you have to have both and you have to have, have that kind of truth seeking aspect to yourself to know.
You know, find the ways between that psyllid and charybdis of the skepticism and the, you know, too open and naivete and find where the truth lies.
And I think that's going to be the key trait of what we need to do here going forward.
And that's going to create the movement that will inspire the leaders, hopefully.
joe rogan
I just hope it stays together in some form.
I hope we don't have to rebuild civilization because that would fucking suck.
Because I live around too many dummies.
There's just too many dummies out there to just rely on the people that are at hand right now and have some sort of an even vote and have everything work right.
We're not prepared.
We're like little children tossed into the woods.
aubrey marcus
Right?
joe rogan
We're not prepared to be running shit.
God damn it.
Keep it together to a certain extent, people.
aubrey marcus
Gradual would be better than severe.
joe rogan
Yes, we don't need anything fucking traumatic.
aubrey marcus
But the more we do preemptively, like the more you go out there and push aggressively now, the better that's going to be.
If we just kind of let things happen, that snowball comes crashing hard.
But if we're out there pushing now, like we're doing here on the podcast, playing our small part, everybody else playing their small part to open their consciousness, open their friend's consciousness, and find that truth, then hopefully it'll fall a little less hard when it actually comes to crash.
joe rogan
Listen, Aubrey, you got a lot of haters on my message board.
One of the reasons is because you changed your fucking name to Aubrey.
The other is because you're a little bit too handsome and dudes don't like that.
It makes them uncomfortable.
Then there's all the marketing stuff, but people always ask me, why am I involved with you?
Why am I involved with this?
Because...
I know you, and I know you're a really good dude.
You're 100% legit, and the reason why I'm involved with you is because you're that guy.
You're 100% legit.
A lot of people are skeptical, and I totally understand that.
I give you the stamp.
I give you a stamp of approval.
You're an exceptional human being.
I appreciate it.
Every time we talk on the podcast, I enjoy the fuck out of it.
I enjoy hanging out with you.
It's always cool.
Thank you to everybody for tuning in.
We appreciate you, even the fucking haters.
As we said, without you, we would not have that Harsh, brutal criticism that sometimes makes you really see things from a different perspective.
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We're all in this together.
And shit has just started to get strange.
Ice House, this Friday the 23rd, right?
We're doing a show?
And this will be our second anniversary.
We are number one on the comedy section of iTunes right now.
Praise Odin!
Thank you to everybody who tunes in.
The thing about the iTunes that's the most satisfying to us is that everybody told us that you shouldn't have your shit on Stitcher, you shouldn't have your shit on Ustream, you shouldn't have your shit on Vimeo, because then it'll affect your iTunes numbers.
The fact that we have the number one podcast in the comedy section of iTunes on top of all that other stuff that we do, having it out there in the app, having it as an RSS feed, just means you guys are enjoying it, and that means the fucking world to me, and I could not be happier.
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unidentified
Much love to everybody.
brian redban
Listen to the Josh Gross interview.
People that haven't known, Josh Gross, is that his name?
Yeah, from ESPN. Yeah, we just released that episode yesterday on the Death Squad label, but it's very interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked to him a little bit about how he can't say that he smokes weed, and that he fucked up when he released the information for The Ultimate Fighter.
Right.
brian redban
Which I think that's just stupid.
I agree, that's a spoiler move.
That's like going, hey, Bambi's mom died.
Come on.
Don't be like...
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a fine line between a journalist and a spoiler.
Yeah, I don't know.
I see where his point of view is.
I disagree with it, though, as far as that goes.
I don't want to know the fucking results.
Like I told you, I could find out who won.
I could find out who won every season.
I go through the whole process like everybody else does.
You sneak peeking bitches.
Alright, this podcast is fucking over.
Thank you very much.
We already did that.
brian redban
Did we?
unidentified
Yeah, we did it.
brian redban
No, I didn't know fleshlight.
I thought you were Donna.
joe rogan
No, we did both of them, bro.
You're out of it, man.
You need some alpha brain.
brian redban
I know.
joe rogan
You need some memory fucking electrodes or some shock therapy.
brian redban
I've been eating my fleshlights and fucking my alpha brains by mistake.
aubrey marcus
Oh, one notification for those who couldn't get the product in Europe.
We're coming up with a formula that's going to be able to cross all the different borders.
joe rogan
What is the hold-up in Europe?
aubrey marcus
Different random things.
Some of it's even vitamin B6 is illegal in a couple places.
unidentified
Really?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ireland?
Vitamin B6? They don't want you healthy, lad.
unidentified
They want to keep you in a dark and fucking pale and angry and drunk and fucking your government!
joe rogan
Fucking get in your asshole!
Thank you very much.
That was the worst Irish accent I think I've ever done.
aubrey marcus
We'll have some out here for you.
joe rogan
Partial Gaelic.
There was a little Australian thrown in there.
Fucking show's over.
unidentified
Good night.
joe rogan
Good night, everybody.
Bye.
Love you.
See you.
unidentified
See you soon.
aubrey marcus
Goodbye, everybody.
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