Bruce Lipton, PhD and author of The Biology of Belief, argues since 1967 that genes don’t dictate life—environmental cues, including beliefs, shape biology via electromagnetic fields. He blames institutions for enforcing outdated dogmas like competition over cooperation, accelerating the sixth mass extinction while ignoring systemic risks like nuclear fallout (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima) and corporate manipulation of drugs, guns, and elections. The U.S., now mirroring authoritarian regimes post-9/11, faces collapse due to economic inequality (99-1 divide) and lost community, but Lipton predicts rapid change as generational shifts dismantle entrenched power—starting with legal marijuana’s rise from 36% to over 50% support. True freedom begins with rewiring subconscious programming, not just buying books. [Automatically generated summary]
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You know, I heard something, I don't know if this is true, but that every animal, essentially, from the moment it's born to the moment it dies of old age, has the same amount of heartbeats.
Like, or very similar, at least.
You know, and so, like, you only have a certain amount of heartbeats.
Consciousness actually does control life, and it's very simple to understand it.
And what you really start to find out is that our consciousness either enhances us, like a placebo effect, Or the same consciousness can take away your strength and kill you, which is called a nocebo effect.
It's actually a name for that.
So it's the power of your thinking, and the thinking is, who are we?
And we've been programmed to believe that we're frail and vulnerable, you know, like all kinds of things are out there to get us, and we have to protect ourselves and all that.
And it's like, this is totally insane because we're so powerful that we even don't believe it.
It's just amazing things like, okay, you can say something simple like walking across hot coals, okay?
It's like you can walk across hot coals if you believe you can do it, but you can't do it if you don't believe you can't walk across the coals, and so belief comes into it.
Or, Joe, I mean, you're a big health guy and all this stuff, so I asked you, if you go out here in the parking lot, can you lift up a car?
I mean, you got a lot of training and stuff like that, but you think you could lift up a car?
No, no, they're absolutely true, and there's large numbers of them.
And what does that mean?
It means like this untrained, unathletic woman could go out there and lift up the car.
Okay, and so that's like, that's pretty neat, but here's one I really think is cool.
Down south, there's this Baptist fundamentalist kind of people that get into a religious ecstasy state, and they do what they call testify, that God protects them.
So they believe that God protects them, and so what do they do?
They do strange crap, like they handle snakes, like rattlesnakes and copperhead snakes.
They're snake handlers, so they get bitten by the snakes.
Nothing happens when they're in this state of belief.
But those are the lightweights.
The serious ones are the ones.
They drink strychnine in toxic doses to demonstrate, to show the proof that God protects them.
I trained as a cell biologist and I started doing cell cultures back on stem cells in 1967. That's so long ago.
That's some years ago, right?
And the thing was, there was just a handful of us, the entire world, working on stem cells at that time.
And the results from those studies were so completely different than what I was teaching medical students about how life worked, about how genes control life, because it showed that genes did not control the biology.
Genes do not control it.
The control is how a cell or an organism responds to the environment.
So an organism becomes a complement to their environment.
And you say, well, why is that important?
I say, well, if you live in a crappy environment, then your biology becomes crap.
So that's why it's so important, and everyone sort of knows this, but it's so important to surround yourself with positive people and not be around a bunch of energy vampires.
Because there's people that are caught in a downward spiral, and if you are with them, their gravity can bring you into a shitty place.
Do you think they're suppressing it, or do you think there's just never been any evidence demonstrated that it works on any sort of a large, measurable level?
But then the limitation of what are we being programmed with?
What are the beliefs that you...
What beliefs did you get programmed with about your life?
For a very simple reason, if you get down to the simple understanding how your mind controls your genetics and your biological behavior, Then you have to recognize, then the question is, what programs have you been programmed with?
Because those are the programs that are going to shape your life.
And the belief system is, can you drink strychnine, Joe?
Yes or no?
And the answer is, well, if you don't believe you can, then don't.
Do you think it's fascinating that a lot of the people that are pushing that belief, they actually are caught up in it themselves?
You know, the people that are suppressing information, the people that are, you know, if they're aware of it, You know, they're actually doing it to themselves as well.
So if it was up to you, would this be something that they would be teaching kids in school, like on a regular basis, to try to explain at a very early age how important it is to think in a positive way and act in a positive way and surround yourself with positive people?
That it's not just a luxury that you're looking, oh, I just want to settle down and be around, you know, where it's quiet.
It's not that.
But it actually is, like, you can establish your environment.
We are creating this life that's in front of us at this moment.
This is a creation.
And this is the nature of quantum mechanics.
Look, quantum mechanics came up with a very simple problem and said, wait, is the fundamental particle that makes an atom, is it physical or is it vibrational?
Is it a particle, like a piece of something, or is it just a vibrational field?
And the answer came out, because it can't be both, One's solid and the other one's an energy wave, right?
And yet it comes out when they do the experiment.
If you think it's a particle and you design the experiment to see a particle, you see a particle.
If you think it's a wave and design an experiment to determine a wave, then you see it as a wave.
And the question, well, how can it be a wave and a particle?
You can't be both at the same time.
The conclusion of the physicist, and this is fundamental, is that it's the observer that's determining that reality.
So we're creating, but we're also participating in the creation.
So it's not a single event.
I mean, if it's a single event, I say, okay, let's end all this war and crap and let's clean up this place.
Let's have a good time.
My voice is a single voice.
Obviously, it just didn't change anything.
But if you get enough voices to say the same thing, then what you're doing is you're amplifying the feel.
The more people that are in tune with the same voice, it becomes a crowd response.
Even in soccer games in Europe, when they get crazy, they always break out into these big fights and stuff like that.
A pacifist sitting in the middle, one of those vegan pacifist guys sitting in the middle, if there's a fight that breaks out all around, They'll be caught up in the energy of a crowd response.
And it won't be their consciousness that's controlling them then.
Now they're just caught in the field.
And they will pick up a chair and club somebody over the head with it like anybody else in that field.
Even though at that moment when they were being conscious, they were pacifists.
But once they got caught in the field, they became part of the field.
So the issue is, what field are we living in right now?
And the field is in a state of flux.
And this is really critical because your audience is so involved with this upheaval that's happening right now, changing the fields.
That there's an evolution going on.
And it really is going to be a fine subdivision between the 40s and unders and the people over 40. I think there's going to be a separation at some point, except there are a lot of wonderful old people, like myself, old people.
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Do you think the internet has anything to do with it?
The internet is the nervous system of a new organism.
What's evolving?
Here's what's important.
Sometimes we think, oh, when humans evolve, how are they going to evolve?
Are they going to get bigger heads and change their bodies?
No, no, look.
The human evolved.
That's done.
Cockroach evolved.
Cockroach evolved 600 million years ago.
Still the same cockroach.
The human evolved.
It's going to stay the same human.
The evolution is not of the human.
It's of the community of humans.
Each human is the equivalent of a cell In the body of a superorganism called humanity.
The evolution is the evolution of humanity.
That's why the Arab Spring.
That's why the breakdown of politics all over the place.
That's why the thing is falling apart.
People all over the world are recognizing we're all people in the same thing called humanity.
And so we have to break free of the limitations that we have been programmed with.
And in that breaking free, which means changing the thoughts, changing the beliefs, getting into a new understanding, we are on the threshold of an evolution that's so amazing.
And what's interesting is that people look around right now, they're scared to death.
And I'm going, you don't understand.
This is the most important stage.
The simple reason is this.
The institutions that have provided for us up to this point, they helped get us here.
They were important for a period of time.
Economics, education, healthcare, politics, religion, all those things were helpful to get to a certain point.
Now they're destructive.
Because their belief systems end up having us destroy the planet.
So this is a simple fact.
I'm just saying it.
This is a fact.
Science has recognized we are deep into the sixth mass extinction of life on this planet.
Five times in the history of this planet, life got essentially wiped out and started all over again.
Those are called mass extinctions.
Such as like a comet or asteroid hitting the planet, destroying the environment, wiping out life, start all over again.
This is the sixth one.
This is a fact.
We are losing species of organisms faster than recorded history or unrecorded history as we know right now.
Meaning we're accelerating the loss of the biosphere right now.
Why is this important?
It's because we're part of that extinction.
And now here's the neat part about it.
The source of our extinction is human behavior.
Simple as that.
We are so undermining the environment.
We were created from the environment.
You know, religious people will tell you, oh, they created the environment and then they stuck humans on top.
Genesis kind of story.
Scientists will say, oh, it was just an accident of genetic mutations that were here.
And it's like, no.
Every organism was an integral part of the evolution of a larger...
The biosphere is the living organism.
We're part of it.
Well...
If we're part of the biosphere, we're derived from the biosphere, then there's a simple logical question.
If you destroy the biosphere, what the hell are your chances of surviving?
And the answer is no.
And that's exactly what science has shown us, that we are now We have passed a very critical point in destroying the environment, threatening our own survival.
I mean, a simple fact that's scary, if you think about it, within 30 years, there will be no fish in the ocean at the rate we're going right now.
Do you ever consider the possibility that all behavior, all life on this planet is natural and that there's a reason why people are so selfish and so destructive and yet also so ambitious and so prone to technological creations and pushing things forward?
It's almost like that's what we're supposed to do.
It's a strange thing.
It's almost like to be as ambitious as people are to create for technological innovation.
Today they're announcing that they may have spotted the Higgs-Boson particle or Boson particle.
They may have spotted it.
They don't know.
They have evidence they have to go over.
At the peak of human innovation, it seems like It almost seems like we have to be this fucked up to do it this way.
And this is what we're driven to do.
Is that possible?
Every other animal has a natural pattern of behavior.
Is it possible that the human animal's natural pattern of behavior is to almost give birth to some technological creation?
We can't even reproduce the technology of the cells because they're far greater efficient than we are.
Matter of fact, that would be our direction of evolution is to see what they've done.
But why is this important?
Because the technology is part of the evolution.
The idea of technology is simple.
Can we live in the so-called, you know, if you want to use like a Garden of Eden, there was a garden here before we destroyed it, and the fact is, you know, if you want to live in the garden without destroying the garden, technology is a requirement because it reduces the footprint so we can live here without devastating the environment around us, okay?
So that technology is a built-in drive.
Is the behavior that we're expressing during this part of that?
No.
The behavior is programmed.
What you're talking about is the manifestation of Darwinian theory as a scientific fact, which it isn't, but what's the basis theory?
It says life is a struggle for survival with a competition for fitness.
And what does it mean?
It's that every day you go out there and struggle to beat the other guy.
Why?
Because the theory says if you don't struggle with the other guy, they'll beat you, so you have to beat them first.
And you see that the recognition of that is why the whole human race seems to be putting the brakes right now on this conventional culture.
Putting the brakes on this society that we've accepted up to this point, it doesn't seem like people want to accept it anymore.
It's not sustainable.
Yeah, they're seeing that it's ridiculous, and they're seeing that our leaders aren't really leading us, and they're seeing that everyone seems to be bought and paid off, and everyone's hitting the brakes.
Because it's time to build something that takes into consideration not the few that possess the power.
You see, look, we can talk about, and I talk about the biology and the nature of the mind controlling the behavior and the biology of women lifting cars, drinking strychnine, the powerful nature you are.
It's exactly the same thing that the strychnine drinker has.
Absolute belief that there's no Mike Child is under this car.
There's not even a concept of, can I lift the car?
She never asked that in her head.
It was, I'm lifting the car because my baby's under the car.
It's absolute belief.
It's the same as walking across the hot coals, the drinking the strychnine, lifting the car.
The things you have that absolute belief in, you can do powerful things beyond anything, except, that's why I said, go back and look at our programming.
Our programming is, we've been programmed to perceive ourselves as frail and vulnerable.
In fact, we're farthest thing from that, except for this.
And this is an interesting story about the upheaval, and that goes like this.
You look at the world and you say, look, am I powerful?
Maybe, okay, I'm not so powerful.
Boy, there's some very powerful people over there.
And then you might say, well, how did they get to be so powerful?
They said, give me a child until it's six or seven and it will belong to the church for the rest of their lives.
What did they know?
They already knew that if I get the first six years of programming, I own your life.
They knew that.
They boasted about it.
And why is that important?
Well, Do you think that's a minor thing that just would have slipped away in history, that you can control the population by programming the first six years of their lives?
Are you kidding me?
That's fundamental to the leadership of whoever is in leadership capacity.
And if you want to reference, think about this.
There's a book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
This is a book about empowerment and disempowerment, and what's the point?
People from poor families will grow up and remain poor, and people from rich families will generally grow up and remain rich.
Is it genetics?
No.
It's the programming that the rich give to their family, which is completely the opposite of the programming the poor give to their family.
It's not the individual, it's not the person, it's the programming.
And this is not new.
This is 500 years of boasting that fact.
Not much.
I mean, they didn't keep it a secret.
They actually said, you just give me the kid for six years.
Do you think that this all happened because this is the way we would be so innovative, this is the way we would push forward, push forward regardless of the health and safety of each other and of the planet itself?
Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation because you have to go back and say, when did this group of individuals, which isn't a large group at that, decided at one point they were helping us as parents?
I'm helping you guys.
I know more than you, so I'm going to help you become better.
But there's a point where...
Maybe their knowledge is so limited that they're thinking inside the box when the knowledge is outside the box.
So the question is, is it a conspiracy because they want to control us or is it a conspiracy not as such but like a parent saying, look, the people don't know what the hell they're doing.
We've got to help them.
We've got to guide them and all that.
It's a toss-up.
Was this conspiracy or helping?
I have no, you know, the whole idea is this.
They're involved with either of those two reasons.
They are the problem that we have right now because their thinking is not up to the current awareness of science.
And you say, but why is that relevant?
The answer is simple.
It's like the world we live in sees truth based on whether science says it's true or not.
Is this true?
Oh, science said so.
Yeah, it must be true.
Well, if the science is limited, Then the knowledge is power, lack of knowledge, lack of power.
If the science is not fully knowledgeable and limits it to that little narrow knowledge, then we've limited our power.
And the fact is, there's new science that undermines all the stuff that you learned in school, all the stuff I taught in medical school.
That science is, in the last 15 years, man, it's a revolution, and the revolution is the rebels in the front.
The old guard is still in the back with the old textbooks with outdated information.
I mean, look, there was a time before quantum physics, the only physicists were the Newtonian physicists, the ones that only saw the mechanical material world as real and didn't consider the invisible realm as anything.
Quantum physics comes in and says it's the invisible realm that is actually shaping the physical realm.
Energy shapes matter.
And it's like, well, if you're a Newtonian physicist up until, let's say, 1924. In 1925, the belief changes.
1924, you're teaching the world as a mechanical machine.
You've done this for 30 years.
And then all of a sudden, a few minutes later, you say, no, guess what?
All that's wrong.
It's all completely different.
And it's like, you've spent your whole career doing this.
The health care costs in the United States are sinking the entire country just on the bills of that alone.
And that's totally inhumane.
It's inhumane by definition, and it's a business entity, and medicine is a business entity.
It is not a healing entity.
If you got healed, the whole business would collapse.
So guess what?
How come with all the money and all the technological advances, we're spending more money now than we've ever done, having more healthcare than we ever had, and we have the sickest population we ever had?
We think we're like machines, and you go to the pharmacy guy, and he puts a medicine in there, and all of a sudden you've got some new parts, and it's like, no, there is a part like...
Aspect of your body.
Your body's like a vehicle, for sure.
But the mind is the driver.
So the driver's been left out of medicine.
All I talk about is, oh, the vehicle's broken.
Keep fixing the vehicle.
It's like, there's a driver in there.
If the driver's got some shitty driver education, man, he's going to destroy the vehicle.
And the answer, that's where the problem came from.
So is what we're experiencing really a step in the evolution of what we're going to become?
And so all these problems and all this rebellion against the standard behavior that we've fed into for so long, is all of this like a step in an evolution to something else?
I was on a plane with him once and he was explaining to me.
He's a famous football player.
He does a lot of work with kids that grow up and have a lot of anger issues.
And he sort of explained to me that...
When you're a baby and you're growing up inside of a woman's body, you know, you're developing in a horrible environment where there's, you know, no father and there's violence and there's, you know, crime and all this.
The fetus will, like, become, like, programmed to act quicker, to be more violent.
This whole thing is so screwed that way because then we propagate that and we say, look, look, well, okay, look, blacks are great athletes.
I say, yeah, look where they all come from.
They all come from, you know, essentially an environment that is totally not supportive, which means biologically they have to acquire the ability to fight to survive.
So their bodies are designed much healthier in that regard.
Is it true that shit that Jimmy the Greek got fired for when he said that black people have been bred as slaves, the biggest ones, they would breed with the other biggest ones?
Is that why so many black people are big, or do you believe that it's a stress and environment issue?
Because there's conscious intention, conscious mind, and this is the big issue that people have to understand.
The mind has two parts.
There's a conscious part and a subconscious part.
The conscious part is you, your personal identity.
It's creative.
It has your wishes and desires.
The subconscious part is like a record playback mechanism.
It learns experiences, pushes the button, plays the experiences back.
Okay, so now I say, well, okay, our personal drive is our conscious wish and desire.
And then I'm going to tell you a fact, and this is a freaky fact.
Science has shown that we only run our lives 5% of the time with our conscious mind, our creative mind, the mind with your wishes and what you want out of life.
95% of our life comes from the subconscious automated programs that play when we don't even pay attention.
You can drive the car without paying attention, it's an automatic program.
You can do your job without paying attention, it's an automatic program.
So why is it important?
Only 5% of our life comes from what we want.
95% comes from the subconscious programs.
And then here's the catch.
As we mentioned earlier, the first six years, you are downloading behavior from your environment.
And those become your fundamental programs.
You watch your parents, your family, your community.
And this is why I said the church saw that, and they said, give me the first six years, whatever program I put in that six years will become the fundamental programs in the subconscious mind.
Do you propose that maybe like a standard of thinking be established or a way of thinking where you teach kids in school how to overcome Like these subconscious thoughts and how to overcome.
If you couldn't, this would be a crappy world because I'd say, well, just like genes, oh, you're stuck with your programs your whole life.
Sorry.
No, no, no.
You can change your programs and change your life virtually instantaneously.
But you have to know what you're trying to do, and that's the whole idea.
If nobody knows, A, that they're even behaving from their unconscious programs.
They don't even believe that.
They think, oh, I'm running my life with my intentions and my wishes.
It's like what they're thinking.
And I say, that's 5%.
But in my lectures, I say to people, I say, look, I know sometime in your life you had a very close friend, you knew your friend's behavior, and you happen to know your friend's parent.
And at some point you may have seen that your friend had some of the same behavior, so you volunteered, you go, you know, Bill, you're just like your dad.
And the first guy you back away from is Bill.
He's going to go ballistic and say, how can you compare me to my dad?
And I tell people, that's so profound a story.
For what reason?
Here it is.
Everyone else can see that Bill behaves like his dad.
The only one who doesn't see it is Bill.
And we're all Bill, meaning we play behaviors that don't even harmonize with our wishes and desires, but when we play them, we don't see them because they're automatic and unconscious.
And then we wonder why our life isn't going where we want it to go, and we didn't realize, fundamentally, we were the ones that were shooting ourselves in the foot in the first place.
And it's because we didn't understand that the control can be controlled by the conscious mind, but when the conscious mind is thinking about stuff, then the default is the subconscious, but the subconscious programmed by other people.
Do you think that people are starting to realize this?
Because, you know, if you think about it, like on Twitter, you'll see people, even like dumb people, say something.
You know, today it's just going to be all smiles and like hashtag positivity.
You know, it's like, you know, that wouldn't have happened in 1930. No guy would have left his house with, you know, one of those little fucking knit caps on and shit.
I don't want to knock medicine down because medicine does miracles, man.
Anything physical with the body, mechanical, they are miracle makers.
You want to transplant a heart, you want to cut pieces, fix them, go to them.
You want to deal with cancer, Alzheimer's, diabetes, obesity, depression?
They have no idea what the hell they're talking about because they know the mechanical biology, which gives them the opportunity to work on the body as a vehicle, cut out parts, change parts.
But how do the parts necessarily work?
Ah, there's some missing information because the new science undermines the existing belief system.
So that's why the failure of the system.
And it turns out that when you do the statistics, medicine actually becomes the leading cause of death in the United States today.
And the pharmaceutical company is one of the major elements behind that.
This is so interesting to me because I've always thought that one of the secrets to life, to feeling, looking young, being young, is to don't ever change what you're used to.
We're talking about positive thinking and beliefs and how you can structure the world and change it for the better and this fuckhead lights up a cigarette.
You know when you used to go to comedy clubs like Texas before they banned cigarettes, you used to always say that on stage how cool it was to go into that room.
I think this ends when the institutions that exist start saying they're not able to handle this situation anymore and then we start looking for a new way of I mean, it was interesting when a governor of one of the places said, I have a lot of trouble with this Occupy Wall Street stuff because I can't find anybody to talk to that's in charge.
And it was sort of like, yeah, because this is a new way of life.
You're not going to have that old game anymore.
So, all of a sudden, the old guard will not be able to communicate with a new way of life.
The technology of the internet was the final evolutionary stage required for civilization because it's the nervous system.
Of a global civilization.
And once that was put into place, then the cells started communicating with each other.
And once they started to do that, then look what's unfolding in the world around us today.
Once the groups of cells from every part of the world started looking at the same dialogue and the same language.
And for me, it's exciting.
I travel all over the place.
I give lectures.
What hit me was a few years back, I was sitting in my living room in Santa Cruz, and a video crew from Russia was there.
And they were setting up for the video and I was just sitting there looking at them and I thought, if you didn't hear them speaking, if you just had a video without the sound, you wouldn't know if they came from LA or where the hell they came from.
All of a sudden you start to realize all around the world People are beginning to start to act as one community of people.
And it's real exciting because that is what the evolution is all about.
You can't have separate countries that say, well, let's burn all this crap and put it in the air because it's going to blow over there and we don't care about it.
Those days are over.
Every nation represents cells of people coming together.
First of all, I don't think you're inhaling nearly as much smoke when you smoke marijuana because you're only doing it like maybe once or twice in a day.
You're sucking on those stupid things all fucking day long.
And on top of that, those things have 590 different chemicals.
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You take one bong head, that's like a pack of cigarettes.
You're going to die sniffing glue, you stupid fuck.
I just like you, dude.
I don't want you to get cancer, and I know you're stuck in this stupid thing, and it's so ridiculous because you quit for a while, and you talk about how smoke makes me sick now, and then your cat stubs its toe, and you fucking light right up again.
And eventually you're playing a game that's going to catch up with you.
And I think this message is to anybody who's out there smoking cigarettes.
It's the most ridiculous fucking thing you can do.
They taste like shit.
They're terrible for you.
This whole reward mechanism is just because you're addicted to their chemicals.
And when you get that chemical, you get this reward.
It's not even just tobacco.
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And I will say, if you get a law that says ban cigarettes from the United States, that 90% of the smokers will sign it.
If you're a sensitive person, if you're thinking all the time and you're sensitive to other people around you, and I always believe that people around you affect you.
There's no way it didn't work, because all these state trooper women, that Jennifer Flowers women, these women that would claim he would just whip his dick out, it was not just one.
Absolutely, because you're in that competition out there in the field, and how do you know how you succeed in the competition?
Well, how many toys do you own, and what's your position in the hierarchy?
And so when you've driven yourself to that level, there was a reason why you wanted to be up there, not just because it was something to do for the week or something like that.
There was a mission statement.
So that was playing the game full out, going for that.
That was amazing to me, that someone could think that it would be the right thing to do, to take some fucking kid who is a college student, okay, and all they're doing is sitting there protesting, and you're going to spray some, whatever they are, 19, 20-year-old kid in the face with pepper spray, and you're a cop?
What a piece of shit!
And that reaction is completely natural and important, right?
Because that is verification that there's a new process in place.
Absolutely, and that's what I was so proud about those people, because they got into a situation where it could have gotten into violence, and what they did is they just held the violence back, and just, you know, there's just shame on you, and they shamed them, like, pushed them back, back until they were off the campus, and they got off, and it was like, oh, wow, nonviolence, because...
What people have to understand is that it's the violence that's being planted, I think most of it, I would say, is planted is to throw people against this Occupy Wall Street movement.
And when they did it peaceably, it's like, wow, how are you going to complain about that?
That was a great demonstration of how to handle the situation because the moment violence comes in, they're almost like Nazi stormtroopers out there, especially with all that homeland security, all that crap, all their new guns and all that technology for crowd control.
They're freaky people out there.
And they love the job.
They love to go out there and pound on those kids.
Yeah, there's two choices here, and the choices are we're going to survive this evolutionary thing or we're not going to survive it.
So we continue doing what we're doing.
We already know, science already said, it's already on a calendar, man.
You're going out.
And the question is, can we mobilize and make the change?
And I really think we can, because it's especially the younger generation and the older older generation, the ones in the middle I'm a little concerned about, but there are a lot of old hippies out there that really are in total alignment with the Occupy Wall Street movement.
That's who they are.
They were there back then when it all happened.
And so I think there's this great opportunity for this evolution.
It's going to be fabulous, but you have to recognize, like anything, when a child is born, there's blood.
There's pain and blood when it happens.
And birthing this new civilization, we're going to go through this little bit of this chaos here, which is going to be painful for a lot of people, but it's like we've got to see past where we are and look to where we're going to go.
We have become everything we fought for for other countries and freed other countries we've imposed with a Patriot Act.
We have taken away personal liberty, and this whole country is, to my opinion, With that Patriot Act in operation is as bankrupt as any of the countries like Chile was under their leadership and their dictators where whatever the government says they can create whatever the hell they want.
Take you, Joe, off the street and not tell anybody for 90 days that you're even gone.
To call yourself a representative of the people and to pass something like that?
What do you think?
What if everything at the top is completely fucked up and the right thing to do is to march in the street and to block traffic and to stop this fucking tyrannical situation?
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If that is the case, if that is the case, Then we're there.
Look, they already have the internment camps to hold several million people.
Because this was not a new thing.
As a matter of fact, there was a guy at Stanford University at this think tank called the Hoover Think Tank.
In 1980, the government asked him to write a report on...
A scenario if there's a big financial collapse.
In 1980, they asked him to write this.
He said, you know, these were game players.
How would you play this thing out?
And the thing was, it was real interesting.
He said, in this process of what they were talking about in the future, the guy who wrote it up said, one of the things that was interesting, he said, people in this future period are going to become more conscious, and this is going to change the relationship of what's going on.
But he also came to the conclusion, he said...
Inevitably, we're still going to come to a chaos period where there's going to have to be control maintained.
And I remember he put in parentheses and he said, and I hope not for long, but what he was saying is, if it comes to a crunch issue like this for the government to maintain control, They'll have to put a lot of people away in internment camps to keep it from burning up.
It's not very far now.
Essentially stormtroopers in Oakland and all these other cities coming in there.
It's out of some other country's history book and we're looking at it live.
But isn't that like the first time ever that we can recall that there was a real, like the vice president really was sort of in control of the whole thing?
I mean, I don't remember that happening during the Carter administration or Reagan administration or Well, Reagan himself wasn't in charge of anything.
That's an unfortunate situation, and I think I remember back at some advertisements, like, oh, George Bush would be the kind of president you'd like to go have a beer with at the bar, and I'm thinking, Not really.
Yeah, it was like something was actually happening in his life that they didn't plan out in advance and pull off to a tee while the whole world thought they were battling good guys, starting fucking wars over weapons that don't even exist.
And even though it's been proven those weapons don't exist, oh, we're just going to stay for another seven or eight years.
Look, we got rid of a bad guy.
And this whole thing that's going on in Afghanistan, it's amazing that anybody supports it.
But it's amazing that anybody could, I mean, if you needed the best example ever of how the government and the military are not looking out for your best interest, Afghanistan is it.
To think that we didn't learn, not only do we not learn anything from Vietnam, we learned less.
Yeah, and yet the people, as long as it's in the front of the newspaper, then it's there, and the moment it's not in front of the newspaper, it's gone.
I think this has the greatest possible, most wonderful ending in the world.
Let me just give an example.
We talked about the conscious mind and that we're being controlled by the subconscious mind and that the conscious mind is the creative mind with your wishes and desires.
Well, here's an interesting fact.
Go back to a time, sometime you fell head over heels in love with somebody.
I call it the honeymoon period.
And then I say, in that honeymoon period, were you healthy?
And almost everybody, when I'm going to ask a big audience, almost everybody goes, I was exuberantly healthy when I was in that period.
I say, did you have energy?
It's like, yeah, we had so much energy, we made love for days, didn't even stop for food, man.
And I say, it was life so beautiful that you couldn't wait for the next day to have more of that.
And everybody goes, yeah, yeah.
And I go...
Just think about it.
Is that tantamount to having heaven on earth?
Would that be something like that?
And everybody goes, well, yeah.
And then I go, that was not an accident.
That was a personal creation.
And that the honeymoon was the one time in our lives, and this is the interesting part because neuroscience says, the one time where you operate strictly from the conscious mind and don't revert to that default program in the subconscious mind where you're operating from your wishes and desires is the time you're making love.
When you're making love, the conscious mind stays in the present moment.
Well, why is that relevant?
It's the conscious mind that has all your wishes and desires, so if that mind stays in the front, guess what?
Then you created a life that was heaven on earth, but the moment life starts to get too busy and your mind starts to wander and think, then you resort back to the unconscious programs.
Well, you didn't see you did that, but your partner does, and your partner goes, What the hell kind of behavior is that?
Where'd that come from?
And that's when this whole honeymoon starts to come to an end because when you just said whatever you did from your subconscious program, which may have been your father or your mother, and you didn't hear yourself say it, your partner heard yourself say it, you didn't even hear yourself saying that.
So that's where all of a sudden the honeymoon starts to collapse.
It's like, what are you talking about?
I've always been this way, or whatever you want to say.
It's like you start losing the dialogue because you're now talking from your subconscious programs.
But the whole point was what?
When we did operate from the conscious moment, when we did stay in that period, we created heaven on earth, both health-wise and...
But if you reprogram the subconscious mind to have the same beliefs and wishes and desires that your conscious mind has, so that both minds have the same vision and destiny, then there's a honeymoon the rest of your life.
It doesn't end then, because you put in your wishes and desires.
So even when you're not paying attention, that's when your subconscious playing is still going to play the same wishes and desires that you want in your life anyway.
But right now, It plays the programs that you got from other people when you're not paying attention.
One of the things that I think is really terrifying to people is that you're describing this and people are realizing this, I'm sure, right now, but they're also realizing that this is not a conventional idea that's really sort of pushed in the media.
This is not something the President of the United States addresses the nation about.
This is not necessarily something that's that well known.
And when the information is expressed and people know it to be true and sort of recognize it and think, oh my god, does this mean that there is no one who has set this whole gigantic thing up, this human civilization?
No one did it consciously.
No one planned it out.
They might have made the infrastructure and planned out where the water was going to go.
And by its definition, it's going to evolve in the same characteristic way that animals evolved.
So there's a part we went from, let's say, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals.
The fish phase was when human civilization, earliest phase, mariculture.
They lived at the sea.
They had to live at the water.
They couldn't live without water.
They were stuck to wherever the water was.
Agriculture was the amphibian stage.
Why?
They took the water with them on the land so they could go deep into the land, penetrate into the land, get the water, grow all the stuff and live because you needed the water.
Okay?
The reptile stage, reptiles are the only animals that were first designed for land.
They're almost like machines.
They're almost mechanical, like when you see a lizard, like it's almost digital, the way it moves.
The reptiles were the equivalent of the industrial age.
That's when we became reptilian.
And it's interesting because we're still in that age.
And guess what?
We're fueling this civilization with what they call the blood of the dinosaur.
We're fueling it with oil, which is the character of that reptilian phase.
And so we're living a reptilian phase of civilization.
The lizards were like mom-and-pop shops.
But they grew into dinosaurs, which were corporations.
And the corporations evolved.
And then, here comes the cool part.
The bird phase of human civilization started in 1903 when Wilbur and Orville Wright started to fly.
It changed the whole world because now you can fly around in a few hours.
It changed.
The world was so massive at one point nobody could imagine it.
Now we can fly around it and put a satellite around it.
So the birds evolved from 1903 but guess what?
They reached their fullest evolution in 1969. In 1969 the birds landed on the moon and they took a picture of the earth.
And those hippies, back then, saw this picture and created Earth Day within a month or two of the picture coming back, number one.
Number two, they said, oh man, look at that.
We've got to take care of that.
That's all we have.
We've got to take care of the water, the air, take care of the kids and all that.
Taking care is the character called nurturing.
Nurturing is the character of mammals.
So in 1969, the mammalian phase of human civilization was seeded with the hippies looking and saying, oh my god, take care of each other, take care of the planet, we generation.
It's what it was all about.
But then go back in history and recognize when the mammals first evolved, the dinosaurs were still here too.
And the dinosaurs were the big killer things and the mammals were the little meek furry guys, right?
And the fact is, they talk about the meek taking over the earth.
Well, we're in that transition.
The dinosaur is falling.
The oil is running out.
The power that's been feeding this whole reptilian phase of corporate dinosaurs that So the meek is actually the individuals all banded together against a united corporation or many united corporations.
It was interesting because they built a, when the Christians came in, the Spanish, and they took over the Sun Temple, which is this big Peruvian temple in Cusco, then the church did it, and like dogs pee one on top of the other one, they built their church on top of the foundation, which was the Peruvian temple.
They built a church on it.
And it's interesting, three earthquakes have demolished the church each time, and in the three earthquakes, not one thing happened to the foundational building, which was the Peruvian temple.
That's another thing that people are fighting against.
You know, when you were talking about people who are academics, who have been teaching a certain thing most of their lives, you know, that happened with a lot of this, the people that are trying to predate the Sphinx.
We had a mountain near where we lived and we'd go buy these junkers, you know, cars that were burning oil and people didn't want really, pay 10, 15 bucks, drive them up to the top of this hill and then we'd use them like a dirt track and just, you know, cut through the weeds and all kinds of stuff like that and just ran them into the ground until they finally, so it was like 10 or 15 bucks for the investment.
And then spend a day or two playing bumper cars.
Before we were aware that we could hurt ourselves.
Which is really terrifying to me because now we're moving into this digital era and everything is getting put down on ones and zeros and data that you have to...
Do you think you'd be comfortable on your hilltop by yourself how long if you knew that the rest of the world was dead?
Remember Ernest Borgnine in Twilight Zone?
Remember that he was so happy that the world exploded because he was inside of a vault and he came out and he's like, oh these books, I can read these books and then he dropped his glasses and broke them.
Yeah, I think the human animal, and that's the fascinating thing about people, is that we need each other so much that we get sad when there's no one else around.
I have no idea, but it's surprising me how fast some of the changes have occurred.
Because the book, Evolution, that I wrote was just a couple of years ago, and stuff that I was talking about is now beginning to manifest already, especially with Occupy Wall Street, meaning people are pulling out of the system, and that's all it begins.
Once they start pulling out, critical level, the system will stop.
Well, that's what seems to be going on with this Occupy Wall Street thing, is that this is the biggest number of people that are willing to hang out together outdoors that I've ever seen.
And it has become, they're united in this.
You know Jamie Kilstein?
You remember Jamie Kilstein from the podcast.
My buddy, he's a, he's a, every fucking day I look at his Twitter, it's, you know, it's pound sign, OWS. Like, everything is Occupy Wall Street.
He even went to Australia when he was on vacation over there or working on it.
I don't know what he was doing, but he went to Occupy Melbourne.
I mean, like, dude, settle the fuck down.
It's not even your country.
You know, you don't even know what their argument is, you know?
Maybe you'd be on the banker side over here, you know?
I don't know.
I'm just talking shit.
But it's amazing how much it becomes a community.
It really becomes, you know, all these people that are supporting Occupy Wall Street, they're united in this thing.
And they feel like they are the only thing that is going to stop the tyranny.
They're the only thing that's going to step forward and say, enough is enough.
It doesn't work if it's not community, so basically that's the motivation.
And look at the consequence of this and the reason is we have been systematically deprived of community over time.
At first, you know, local neighborhoods and then even in a family home when they put the televisions in there and all of a sudden the family's not even working as a community.
That was the last piece of it and now all of a sudden there was no community anywhere and that's why So you think the families watching television robs them of the community?
Well, Jon Stewart's hilarious, and that show is the perfect example for me of what a comic can do with just the regular, real news, the real reality of this world that we're living in, especially in, you know, and do it dressed like them, you know, wearing a suit, sitting in front of a desk like them, but just mock the whole thing.
Hunter Thompson had that great line about seeing that and then seeing the tide roll back and seeing it the one time like being during the 60s in San Francisco and the acid culture and seeing what's possible and then seeing it all pull back.
The Vietnam War was going and there were protests against the war.
First it was students congregated together against parents and the community.
And so there was like Occupy Wall Street with a little bit more anger to it and a little bit more, you know, real heavy protests going on, much more active.
In fact, this guy, Bill Moyers, One of the best news guys, because he was like a real honest guy, you know.
He had a program on that was years ago, people don't remember, and it was like, it was called the Shadow Government.
And you can see it on the web, and it's great because it's, play it right now, it's the exact same thing.
And it turned out the CIA was a funded organization of the government.
It was like on a budget, right?
But then they found out that they could precipitate a war in a place and have all the local people buy all the guns from them.
But then you say, well, yeah, but the local people in these places in the jungle, where the hell do they get all the money?
And in fact, oh, they didn't have any money.
Oh, what they had?
Coke, morphine, marijuana.
And so the exchange was not...
And this was on Bill Moyer's show.
He had a CIA guy there say that they linked up with a mafia.
And so this was, you know, this is on the show, on PBS. And they linked up the mafia with what?
The CIA would carry the guns to this country, make money, sell it to both sides, essentially...
And then, because they didn't have money, they were getting paid in all this, you know, coke or whatever the hell it was, and then they'd fly that back in in CIA planes into the states, and then the mafia would take it from there and pay them back.
So they got into a circle.
But the point was this.
They ended up making more money from the guns and drug trade than the budget.
What was the point?
They didn't need the budget anymore.
They started operating independently.
That's what Halliburton and all this stuff came from.
They started operating independent of the government because they were making more money creating the wars and getting involved with the drug and the gun trade.
And this was explained to people, and it's like today, the same issue with me.
It's like, oh my god, what are we going to do about it?
Nothing.
It's just like, that's the way it is, and everybody walked away.
It's like, it's just the same thing today with these things I hear.
And you have to look for the knowledge because it's not the knowledge you're going to get in conventional school in the conventional textbook that's selling a program.
We've been playing that program for years.
And that's why war after war, we all go, oh, another war, another war.
It's like somebody's been playing us so beautifully and it's time to stop.
It's not working anymore because they tapped the system dry.
Now we've got masses of people.
There's no money for them.
What are you going to do?
That means that you're going to have a movement of people that is just like the haves and the have-nots, and they're so in balance, 99-1, man.