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Dec. 1, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
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din thomas
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joe rogan
01:44:59
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john rallo
19:58
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matt serra
33:39
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jamie vernon
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b-real
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joe rogan
Gentlemen, we still don't have a name for this.
matt serra
We're not the cucks, right?
What was wrong with the cucks?
joe rogan
What happened with Protect Your Neck?
Protect Your Neck?
I think Protect Your Neck is best.
That's the best one.
din thomas
Yeah, let's go with Protect Your Neck.
unidentified
I'm down with that.
Protect Your Neck is gonna have the Wu-Tang theme song.
joe rogan
Yeah, Wu-Tang.
din thomas
Yeah, the theme song's already done for us.
unidentified
Exactly.
din thomas
We got it.
joe rogan
There's two Wu-Tang songs I always listen to when I'm going to an arena, when I'm doing a show.
It's Protect Your Neck and Gravel Pit.
Those two, they just get you in the groove.
Especially Gravel Pit.
Oh, there it is.
This is our theme song, boys.
I like it.
That's all we got.
We're all getting kicked off of YouTube.
Even that might get us in trouble.
You all right there, Rollo?
matt serra
Are you fingering that skull?
john rallo
Yeah, not hearing anything right now.
joe rogan
For real?
All right.
We're going to pause real quick, see if Jamie can fix this.
We'll pause.
din thomas
Can you hear it now, Rollo?
john rallo
Yes, sir.
matt serra
Hey, you know what we never tried?
joe rogan
What?
matt serra
The smelling salts.
joe rogan
We got them right here.
But we gotta show Dean the sheathing.
Oh, what is the fucking sheathing?
matt serra
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It's when metal rings.
matt serra
We were all talking about it.
joe rogan
The three of us have rings on, but they're rubber.
din thomas
All right, let me see.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Oh, my chicken wings.
matt serra
That's what happens.
john rallo
Don't wear a ring on the mat.
joe rogan
Ever.
din thomas
All right.
joe rogan
Don't wear a ring to the gym.
You could drop a weight on it or rip your finger off.
You wear these.
These are great.
din thomas
Just don't wear nothing.
That way you can cheat too.
joe rogan
I think the goofiest looking one is the tattooed ring.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That one's goofy.
It's almost as bad as the bicep with the fucking chain with the, you know, the old school barbed wire.
matt serra
I'm actually wearing my Marvel ring.
It says Marvel on it.
john rallo
There you go.
Good man.
matt serra
It does actually say Marvel.
unidentified
Your wife, my Shane, your fucking...
This fucking dork.
joe rogan
I married a dork.
unidentified
It's nice, though.
When I get married with the rubber rings, I can just fling it at her.
I think she got me the ring.
matt serra
Yeah, I'll just fling it right at her.
joe rogan
You can use it like a slingshot.
Yeah, I heard about a dude in, God, I forget who's Jim, some big name dude, and he took a photo of one of his students and said, don't ever come onto my mat with a ring on, ever, ever again.
This is what happens, and he posted it.
I don't remember who posted it, but fuck, man, it's just too dangerous.
You basically have a metal wedge on your finger.
If you're doing anything heavy, if you're in the outdoors, if you're climbing something, it can just dig right into your meat and rip your fucking finger apart.
matt serra
When I was...
When I was fighting, when I was champ, I had the...
I just got married, I was telling you earlier, and when I had the ring on, this was before they had the rubber rings, you know?
And guys get excited to see you, so sometimes you give them the hand, they squeeze your fingers, and it's so much...
unidentified
You're trying to be nice, and I'm just like, give me my hand!
joe rogan
It was not that's why you wear a wedding ring on your left hand so you could shake hands with your right Yeah, I mean that's good.
john rallo
It's good.
matt serra
That totally makes sense It does especially I hate those douchebags that always try to give you that fucking they have a nice squeeze and They try to break your hand.
john rallo
That gets on my fucking nerves when you squeeze your fingers.
joe rogan
It's a bitch move.
john rallo
Shake your hand, dude.
joe rogan
I like a firm handshake.
I like a man with a firm handshake.
din thomas
Look in the eyes.
joe rogan
I like a firm handshake, but I don't like that finger squeezing bullshit because that's cheating.
john rallo
Agreed.
joe rogan
You know I don't have a good grip, but you're squeezing anyway.
That's a douchebag move.
A nice person would relax their hand, you slide your position, and you give each other a nice firm handshake.
din thomas
That's right.
For sure.
matt serra
Even that, like when guys try to over, like they got a real strong grip and they try to fucking give you that squeeze.
I just feel, especially my right hand, like I got a fucking bump here from Shoney caught his head.
unidentified
I bumped his, I had a hoof after I got done with that second fight.
matt serra
Remember that shit?
joe rogan
It was a balloon.
matt serra
And it's still, like I used to have to double wrap it when I hit with Longo after a while.
So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like, alright dude, alright, you got me beat with the grip, but I'll fucking strangle the fuck out of here.
What are you trying to show?
din thomas
What are you trying to show?
matt serra
Do you do that gripping thing?
joe rogan
Fuck yourself.
It's like men feel so uncomfortable when they're around a guy like you.
They don't know how to behave.
matt serra
Can I grip some coffee?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's for you.
matt serra
I'll do like a sneak.
joe rogan
Do you want the espresso or do you want a cup?
There's a cup because it's just regular coffee.
matt serra
Oh, that's a lot better.
Yeah, I make a mess.
joe rogan
Because, like, you know, when they get around a guy like you, they don't know what to do.
Because guys always like to pretend that they can beat another guy's ass.
Even if they're just posturing, like, I'll fuck that guy up.
They meet a guy like you, all of a sudden they're like, Hey, how are you?
Nice to meet you.
din thomas
That's why I put on some weight.
That's why I'm trying to get over 200. Just so I can posture on them back, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
I understand.
din thomas
I understand.
joe rogan
Flex a little bit.
Like, if you're meeting Francis Ngannou, how fucking terrifying is that?
din thomas
Oh, yeah, no doubt.
joe rogan
You're regular, dude.
din thomas
You're regular.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I interviewed him, I was standing next to him, I'm like, what the fuck, man?
That guy is so powerful.
matt serra
He's fighting a guy bigger than him.
unidentified
That guy is good.
joe rogan
He is good.
john rallo
He's like 6'8".
joe rogan
He KO'd Ryan Bader real quick, right?
din thomas
He jabbed him or something.
joe rogan
Dude, he hit him with a clean right hand.
Let's watch that, because this guy's good, dude.
This is a dangerous fight.
matt serra
I haven't seen the size of him.
joe rogan
After a bad KO, you have to think, he fights Anthony Joshua.
That was a bad KO from one of the best knockout artists in boxing, right?
matt serra
How tall?
This guy's big.
joe rogan
And he's athletic too.
din thomas
He's really athletic too.
joe rogan
Super fast, man.
And he does a lot of wild shit.
He throws a lot of kicks and knees.
Dude, he's good.
matt serra
How much taller is he than...
joe rogan
A few inches.
I think Francis is like 6'5".
Something like that.
This guy's- he's taller.
Francis is bigger, though, for sure.
But this guy's fucking dangerous, man.
And he's real long.
Like, watch this combination when he lands it on Bader.
See, Bader can't close the distance here.
He's having a hard- this guy's from the outside, son!
Look at that right hand!
matt serra
He waited for him to throw that jab.
joe rogan
Bro, watch that again.
That shit was perfect.
Watch that again.
Look at the timing on this guy, man.
Watch this.
Bader's trying to close.
He's trying to close.
Check out this.
Watch this fade away a little to his left.
Boom!
Oh!
din thomas
I mean, that's right over the jab.
joe rogan
That guy can do that to anybody.
That guy's dangerous, man.
He's fucking dangerous.
john rallo
Dude, his footwork was real nice.
matt serra
But Bader's also 40 and, you know...
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
But Bader and Heavyweight's been doing pretty good.
unidentified
Especially in them Bellator testing.
matt serra
What kind of test is that?
joe rogan
That's a multiple choice test.
How many times did Bobby Lashley compete?
No disrespect to Bobby Lashley.
din thomas
But still.
We know what's up.
joe rogan
He was always on an Indian reservation somewhere.
din thomas
No real commission.
john rallo
Bro, what a body though.
joe rogan
Bobby Lashley's the only guy I've ever fought in MMA that looked like he'd enter a bodybuilding competition the day of the fight.
Mark Kirk in his prime too.
john rallo
Randy Randleman was pretty...
joe rogan
Oh, Randleman, for sure.
din thomas
Yeah, but we know...
That's him.
joe rogan
Yo, fuck.
matt serra
I was like a WWE guy.
din thomas
He is.
john rallo
He was.
joe rogan
He was, and he can fight, man.
Yo, he can fight.
john rallo
Was he like a D2 national champ or something like that as a wrestler?
din thomas
Yeah, he was.
Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler.
joe rogan
He's a legit fighter.
Legit fighter.
unidentified
But there ain't no way you're testing positive or negative.
din thomas
Yeah, because he wrestled at like 189 in college.
joe rogan
Also, he's 48. Whoa.
You know, but look, no disrespect.
Guy looks fucking great.
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It's amazing some guys are natural, like Paulo Costa.
He's just got the genes, son.
din thomas
Is he natural?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm guessing.
din thomas
Maybe.
joe rogan
What do you think?
matt serra
I think he plays it up with the secret juice.
unidentified
I love that shit.
joe rogan
I didn't think you'd be talking that much shit if you were really just...
He always looks the same.
He never tests positive.
And the guy has crazy genetics.
Like, look how handsome he is.
Look at that broad jaw.
unidentified
That is true.
din thomas
That is true.
joe rogan
The guy's got freak genetics just in looks and also in his build.
john rallo
He's been tested a billion times.
joe rogan
A billion times.
matt serra
Yeah, motherfuckers have chemists out there.
Hey, you used to work for American Top Team.
Tell us the secrets that they got over in that fucking...
unidentified
It's not a secret, man.
It's not a secret.
matt serra
I want to know what the fuck happens over there.
din thomas
I am not going to Juliana Pena this one.
No.
I'm not doing that.
matt serra
I'm not going there.
You're no longer getting paid by that.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
matt serra
By the way, great work with Sean Brady.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
Sean Brady's an animal, man.
joe rogan
Oh, he looked great.
He looked great.
din thomas
Yeah, man.
He's a hard-working kid.
He's young.
I know he was on this show before.
He's young, hard-working, and he's on his way up.
joe rogan
Bro, he's got a double-sized back.
john rallo
He looks like he's got a turtle shell.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like it's double-sized.
din thomas
And that's genetic, like his father has that.
john rallo
That's crazy.
matt serra
His fight the other night with Gilbert Burns was fucking smart, man.
It was impressive.
Because even though he has really, really good wrestling, he knew not to shoot his wad trying to get him down.
Because Gilbert's fucking...
What I love about Gilbert, and it happened in the Damian Maia fight...
If he's getting out-wrestled, the second he hits the floor, right into jiu-jitsu, sweeps, half-guard, he's playing jiu-jitsu, they go to play back, he's back to his feet.
din thomas
It's really nice.
joe rogan
Gilbert is one of the very best ever on the ground in MMA. It's like we've just seen him in so many stand-up wars because it's so fucking hard to get people to the ground.
Ultimately, that's where it becomes a problem, right?
It's just so hard to get a world-class guy to the ground.
din thomas
Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fought Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second.
And as soon as Gilbert started playing Jiu Jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here.
He stood up quick.
matt serra
But that's what's so smart about Brady, though, because he was patient up against the cage.
And then he waited to the later rounds.
He's the younger guy.
He's banking on his cardio.
Then he started committing to those doubles.
And now he's got a better chance of getting more time on top.
joe rogan
If you look at him in comparison, he doesn't have the same accolades as far as jujitsu competitions as Gilbert does, but he's like world class.
He's straight up.
din thomas
For sure, for sure.
joe rogan
He's definitely legit.
matt serra
Craig Jones.
joe rogan
There was a special rules thing.
din thomas
There were no leg locks.
That was it.
There were no leg locks.
joe rogan
Which is, you know, with Craig Jones.
din thomas
That's a big part of his game.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're going to compete against that guy, you've got to let him use the whole game.
It's the whole game.
You don't say you can't use your best stuff.
din thomas
It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground.
He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.
joe rogan
And I firmly believe that Craig Nelson, Craig Jones rather, if Craig Jones got him in any kind of a position, like a heel hook, he would never rip his shit apart.
din thomas
Right.
Yeah, no doubt.
joe rogan
There's no chance.
matt serra
But I understand these UFC fighters, the current fighters.
Look what happened to Cub Swanson.
I'm all for these guys taking grappling matches, but I'm also for them taking it with certain rules.
Exactly.
joe rogan
I was trying to tell that to Khalil Roundtree.
Because Khalil Roundtree, before he got the title fight, was in here.
He was telling me he was going to take a grappling match.
I go, think about Cub Swanson.
He blows his ACL out.
He's gone for nine, ten months, and he's in the 30s.
He's already in his 30s.
din thomas
That's a death sentence almost.
joe rogan
He came back.
You can come back, but it's so unnecessary.
I get you're a badass, but you're also a professional athlete.
You can't be motorbike riding.
Cerrone did it.
Cerrone must be the biggest headache for the UFC. He's out there fucking riding poles, jumping jet skis.
matt serra
I don't remember him pulling out of too many fights, though.
joe rogan
No, I don't believe he ever did.
I don't remember a single fight.
I mean, there might have been one his whole career, but he had to have a broken fucking leg or something.
din thomas
But he was still reckless as fuck.
He was still out there doing dumb shit.
matt serra
He's an adrenaline junkie, man.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's a freak.
john rallo
He's still out there doing it.
joe rogan
He's still out there doing it.
matt serra
Same reason why people stick around too long in the game.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's also why he's so much fun to watch, man, because he genuinely didn't give a fuck, you know?
In the early days of his career, man, he was very interesting because he was a wild kickboxer that had a great triangle.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So he finished off a lot of his early fights with jiu-jitsu.
din thomas
Right.
Yeah, he was good off his back.
Nasty off his back.
So guys would want to take him down, and then he'd throw up that triangle.
john rallo
His first fight with Benson Henderson was one of the sickest fights ever.
He had Benson in a hundred different submissions, and Benson got out all of them.
It was pretty sick.
joe rogan
Benson doesn't get enough love.
john rallo
Yeah, it was a great fight when they were in the WEC. Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Do you think about all the fucking wars that a lot of people have forgot about?
Yeah, I know.
matt serra
Because there's so many fights now.
unidentified
I know, right.
matt serra
It's not like when we were fighting back in the day, it was far and few between.
john rallo
It was an event because there was only a few a year, you know?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Right.
People forgot about Jose Aldo's beginnings.
john rallo
Man.
When he goes into WEC, was there anybody really better?
He's a complete fighter.
din thomas
Yeah, he's for sure the best WEC fighter.
joe rogan
Look, you can't keep that pace.
Whatever that pace is when a guy is at the top of the food chain, you can't keep that pace up for very long.
john rallo
He kept it for 10 years.
joe rogan
I always say you have to look at a guy...
By where he was when he was at his best.
Like if we're gonna do this like who's the best guy ever thing, that's why I always throw BJ Penn in there.
din thomas
Me too!
joe rogan
Because BJ Penn, and you fought him, BJ Penn in his fucking prime was a demon.
din thomas
And he ran through everybody.
But when he was in his prime it was like BJ and then everybody else.
unidentified
Yes.
For sure.
joe rogan
You just can't keep that up forever.
b-real
So if you look at Aldo, like the Aldo that fought Uriah, remember what he did to Uriah's leg?
john rallo
Jesus.
joe rogan
And how tough is Uriah?
How many dudes would have tapped?
How many dudes would have just rolled over and that would have been the end of it?
john rallo
I think Alde respected him and actually backed off towards the end because of it.
I think he did too.
joe rogan
This guy might have lost his leg.
I mean, he almost got compartment syndrome.
john rallo
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
Right?
He had to go in a hyperbaric chamber every day to try to heal that fucking thing.
din thomas
Yeah man, full disclosure, like at the end of my career when I was fighting in 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.
I ain't fighting that guy.
I ain't fighting that guy.
john rallo
That's the piece that's missing from him later was the frequency of his leg kicks.
You think it was just cause of injuries?
din thomas
He started boxing a lot.
Is he back now, by the way?
joe rogan
He is back.
I think your fucking shins just go, man.
I mean, think about it.
That's what was going on with Amanda, right?
She was having nerve damage in her shins.
Just think about it, especially now with the calf kick, how many guys that fought Pejeta are going to be fucked up for the rest of their life?
You know?
How many guys are gonna have like some weird thing with their foot?
john rallo
They're gonna get like dropped foot or something from nerve damage.
matt serra
My biggest fear was that shin break, like what happened to Chris.
Even before it happened in the UFC, I seen it in kickboxing and I'm like, you know, it's horrible.
You could trust your shins, but how do you know?
How the fuck do you know?
I mean, I don't know.
It was always something in the back of my head when I was throwing kicks.
din thomas
And it's so spontaneous, too.
Even when I'm watching fights now, when it happens, I always have this response of, be ready to look away, because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.
matt serra
Nobody wants to see that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, it's interesting the way Pajeda does everything.
I don't think he runs the risk as much of that because, first of all, he kind of kicks around the outside of your leg always.
He never goes shin to shin.
And even when he kicks the thigh, he's like kicking up.
din thomas
Yeah, it's like an upward, even on the back.
Yeah, for sure.
He always catches that back angle or an up kick.
joe rogan
Until he wants to smoke you like Yuri.
Like Yuri, he came across and just smoked him.
But it wasn't just about touching.
He knew he already had him.
He almost knocked him out at the end of the first.
He knew he had him.
But it's just the power that he can generate from no hip at all.
He's just slapping you.
john rallo
Yeah, he doesn't really have a tail.
It just...
joe rogan
It's crazy because it's the perfect combination of a guy who has this insane God-given power.
He's got insane one-touch-of-death power, and then the intelligence to not wind up.
It's kind of crazy.
He's just tapping you with it, tapping you with it, but the thuds are so bad.
din thomas
It's such a clean shot.
Yeah, it's a clean shot, I think.
matt serra
This is going to be a wild take.
I don't think it's going to be a popular take.
I think that Pereira is going to mix in a takedown.
din thomas
Really?
I think!
matt serra
What?
I think!
joe rogan
Against Khalil?
matt serra
I don't know.
Maybe I'm retarded.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
I think...
matt serra
I think...
john rallo
That's already been established.
din thomas
I could be.
We've known that for a long time, Matt.
matt serra
You say that to me every week.
john rallo
It's already been established.
unidentified
Hear me out.
Hear me out.
matt serra
Yes, he's...
I mean, listen, you don't get more confident on the feet than him, but...
He hangs out with our good friend, the great Glover Teixeira.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
And you see him sparring.
You see him mixing that shit in.
Is he doing it for shits and giggles?
Is he doing it to work his cardio?
Maybe.
Or he could be dealing with Khalil Roundtree and say, you know what?
Let me show them.
john rallo
That's what I'm saying.
Why not give him a wrinkle just to give him something to think about?
joe rogan
Well, he's got to learn it, right?
And he is learning it.
And why not just do that, too?
If he could just mix that in, how many more strikes would he land, too?
Because then if there's a real threat of him taking you down...
din thomas
Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah.
joe rogan
And by the way, how fucking strong is that guy on the ground, probably?
din thomas
I know.
His hands are probably so big, he's just like...
john rallo
He's got baseball mitts.
joe rogan
That dude's made out of wood.
When I put my hand on him to talk to him, he's made out of wood.
matt serra
Especially at 85. What does the comma mean when he says comma?
din thomas
Shama.
john rallo
Shama.
joe rogan
It means everything.
It means fight.
It means fuck yeah.
Shama.
matt serra
It's cool when he says it.
joe rogan
When someone says they want to fight, he's like, Shama.
And you're like, Shama.
You don't want to hear that from that team.
matt serra
You'd rather hear him talk some shit than hear him.
din thomas
Shama.
joe rogan
He's got the scariest walkout of all time.
din thomas
That little limp that he does.
joe rogan
Bro.
matt serra
And he yells.
joe rogan
You're in that octagon waiting for him and you see that stomp.
Hey, yo, yo, yo, hey, yo, yo.
din thomas
Think about his come up, man.
He was able to come up this year without talking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, at all.
din thomas
All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up.
He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out.
joe rogan
He doesn't even smile.
din thomas
Much less talk about that.
john rallo
He leans into that Easter Island thing, too.
He'll wear the chain with the big head.
joe rogan
Seriously, he thought him and Jamal were going to be cool with each other.
And then Jamal started clowning him.
And he got angry.
john rallo
He got really angry.
It was a mistake.
joe rogan
You don't want that guy angry.
But Jamal, like, that fight, like, there was that weird moment where he kicked Jamal in the nuts, you know, or Jamal kicked him in the nuts, rather.
And he waved, when he waved her off, and he did a little step in there.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He got a little closer.
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
He got in the kitchen.
din thomas
Yeah, but Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that.
Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast.
He was like, yo!
And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there.
joe rogan
He's right.
He's definitely right.
But we didn't see it.
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
I didn't see that.
All I was thinking is, so there's so much happens, right?
A guy gets kicked in the nuts.
I'm like, oh, shit.
Is he hurt?
First question is always, is this going to fuck the fight up?
Like, how long is this going to be?
Okay, he's got to take a break.
Is he going to be okay?
Because I think, like, every time you get kicked in the nuts, one point.
Every time you get eye poked, one point.
Because even if it's an accident, if you get slammed in your nuts, and then you have to go back to fighting two minutes later, you've been affected.
din thomas
Yeah, no doubt.
joe rogan
Two minutes ago, you couldn't even fight.
din thomas
Yeah, no doubt.
joe rogan
And now all of a sudden, you're supposed to fight full clip against a guy who's trying to kill you, who just cracked you in the nuts?
Who's that?
Is that you, Dean?
din thomas
Is that you, Matt?
matt serra
Not me.
I'm a professional.
joe rogan
Who is it?
john rallo
I'm on airplane mode.
din thomas
Hold on, let me see.
joe rogan
I think it's Steve Thomas.
Is that you, dude?
Oh, it's a side phone.
din thomas
It is me.
unidentified
Oh, it is.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
unidentified
You son of a bitch.
din thomas
Hold on, man.
Wait a minute.
matt serra
I gotta tell you.
joe rogan
You know what?
john rallo
You know what?
din thomas
I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it.
matt serra
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
I'll help you.
din thomas
I'll help you.
joe rogan
There's a little button on the top.
It should shut it off.
din thomas
All right, let me shut this off.
joe rogan
All you can do, do not disturb.
You know how to do that?
din thomas
No, I don't know how to do that.
joe rogan
Okay, look.
john rallo
Put it on airplane mode.
joe rogan
Open your phone up and then scroll down.
Like, scroll down from the top and then you can get to airplane mode.
din thomas
No, I would rather just turn it off.
joe rogan
Do not disturb.
All right, just turn it off.
matt serra
How about I put it on the floor and stamp on it?
john rallo
Let me see.
din thomas
Yeah, here we go.
I turned it off.
All right.
joe rogan
So anyway, we're talking about Alex and Jamal.
We didn't notice it.
We didn't notice it because, okay, he gets kicked in the nuts, like, oh shit, they stop in the fight, what's going on?
So I didn't notice that little hop in here that he did.
He already got closer.
din thomas
Yeah, you see, now he got the foot on the outside.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's brilliant on his part.
john rallo
But on the flip side, Herb wasn't in Jamal's way.
He could definitely have moved if he wanted.
joe rogan
Right, but Jamal did relax.
Look, he relaxed, he strained his legs, he gave him the thumbs up, are we cool?
And it looked like he was trying to touch gloves, so they touched gloves.
But he's already way closer than he's ever been before.
Most of the fight up until this point was fought with Jamal about a foot past where they are right now.
He was in the outside and he was touching him from the outside and that was his game plan.
I talked to him on the phone about it.
He was explaining to me his game plan.
Everything was going great.
din thomas
Who, Jamal?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He had a point.
He had a fucking real point.
din thomas
Did he call you too?
joe rogan
Yeah.
din thomas
I called him.
joe rogan
But he's right, because we didn't notice it.
But this is one of those moments where you're like, are they stopping the fight?
No.
Okay, they're not stopping the fight.
Like, I didn't realize anything.
That little hop-hop he does?
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That little hop-hop is legit, dude.
It's such a good move.
Watch it now.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
Watch.
So Herb moves to him.
He's going to stop the fight.
He puts his hand up.
Watch this.
He touches him.
Nope.
But look how close he is now.
See how close he is now?
He's a lot closer.
Back it up.
Back it up.
Back it up before the nut shot.
Now look at the distance now.
See the distance?
Big difference.
matt serra
Big difference.
Jamal does fire off first though, doesn't he?
Watch.
After he gets kicked.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
matt serra
Let's see.
Who throws the first punch?
Jamal throws it first, though, I think.
joe rogan
Does he?
matt serra
He might be right.
He's getting a corner.
Look at Jamal.
Ready?
Jamal throw it.
They throw it at the same time.
He did throw it.
joe rogan
But also, it's obvious that Alex is coming in.
din thomas
But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand that cleared the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.
joe rogan
And dude, his left hook, it's like a shovel hook.
Half an uppercut, half a hook.
And it's just perfect.
Perfect.
matt serra
Alright, maybe he won't shoot on Khalil.
joe rogan
Remember when Khalil knocked down Gokhan Saki?
Dude, he's fucking dangerous.
din thomas
Yeah, I know.
Khalil knocked down my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion.
I was like, damn!
joe rogan
That off-speed uppercut he threw, that was slick, dude.
He's fucking terrifying.
john rallo
When Khalil's on...
Oh, Khalil.
joe rogan
Khalil Rountree's fucking terrifying.
john rallo
He came back from Thailand like a different fighter.
I think once he went over there and was training full-time, there was a big change in him, I thought.
joe rogan
Well, Khalil's had moments in his career where he hasn't been dialed in.
There was a few fights where he admittedly wasn't all in.
And now he's all in.
Now he's super focused.
The Anthony Smith fight, you're like, holy shit.
That's a dangerous contender.
john rallo
We're going to find out.
din thomas
But do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ?
Why not?
Well, he just don't really have that championship thing about him.
Where you go, oh, that's my champ right there.
He don't really have that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but nobody does until they do.
Oliveira didn't have it until he got it.
Olivera was a guy that everybody was beating.
So many guys beat him.
Paul Feldman fucked him up.
A lot of guys beat him.
Tom Swanson knocked him out.
A lot of guys beat Olivera because he was cutting too much fucking weight.
And he just didn't have any energy.
din thomas
Well, I'm just saying, every time you see Khalil Roundtree do interviews, he crying and stuff like that.
Like, is that the type of guy that we really want?
Is he crying?
He's sensitive.
joe rogan
He's a sensitive guy.
matt serra
You don't cry?
din thomas
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
There is nothing wrong with someone who's sensitive who can fuck you up.
din thomas
I'm not saying there's something wrong with it.
I'm just saying is that the guy that we want holding the belt?
joe rogan
Maybe that's what we need in 2024. As you guys get older, do you get more emotional?
matt serra
Do you find yourself?
din thomas
I'm an emotional guy.
matt serra
I don't see that.
You guys don't get all emotional?
joe rogan
People think we're toxic.
matt serra
Let's talk.
joe rogan
We're not toxic.
We just don't have a filter.
This is just what actual men are like when there's no one around that can yell at you.
When there's no one around that can yell at you.
If we had the same conversation with our wives, you'd be like, what the fuck are you saying?
Are you thinking that in the fucking air?
It would be a lot of that, right?
din thomas
True, true.
joe rogan
This is what people would be talking about if you were hanging out in your living room.
matt serra
It's true.
joe rogan
Four buddies hanging out in your living room.
How would you talk?
din thomas
This is it.
joe rogan
Just do it in front of the world.
matt serra
In that case, I don't cry at all.
You pussies.
joe rogan
I cried the other night.
matt serra
I was just gonna see if you do.
joe rogan
Watching Chimp Crazy.
din thomas
What?
joe rogan
There's a show, oh my god, there's an HBO show.
Well, it's Max now, whatever it is.
It's a docu-series about people that own chimpanzees.
john rallo
Dude, it's...
matt serra
Wait, wait, hold on.
What made you cry about that?
joe rogan
It's horrific, man.
matt serra
Oh, wait, wait.
It went bad?
joe rogan
When the chimps tear people apart, they tear your face off, they tear your eyes off, they bite your fingers off, they pull your dick off.
Dude, there's so many moments in that show where you're just like, what the fuck?
It's just, it's so sad.
matt serra
Is there anything happy in it or no?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
There's nothing happy in this show.
There's nothing happy in this show.
This show is all about what happens when people have pet chimps and the chimps get to be about five years old and they don't want to listen to you anymore because they're a 200 pound fucking super predator.
john rallo
For real.
joe rogan
They can do whatever they want.
They're our closest relatives, and they're really fucking smart.
And when they get to be like five years old, you can't even put them in a combination lock, they were telling me.
Because they'll figure out the combination.
They'll watch you do it.
And then they'll do it.
They'll see what you do to get out, and then they'll replicate it.
din thomas
So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.
joe rogan
They're really smart, man.
They just can't talk.
They're not as smart as people, but they're also vindictive and spiteful and they're angry and jealous.
matt serra
They do that a lot with the wild animals, like the fucking people who own hippos.
joe rogan
But the thing about these things is when they hit like five, you just got to keep them in cages all the time.
So when they're babies, everybody's hanging around with them.
You can bring them to the pizza place.
Oh my God, it's the lady with the chimpanzee.
But then they get to be five and then they rip someone's face off for no fucking reason at all.
john rallo
What was the Netflix series that followed the chimps?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Chimp Empire.
john rallo
That's what I thought, Chimp Empire.
unidentified
Incredible.
john rallo
That was a crazy, crazy show.
joe rogan
Because that one, these scientists were embedded in this group of chimpanzees for 20 years.
So these people, these chimpanzees, their whole lives, they had seen scientists.
They had these rules.
You have to stay 20 yards away, don't look them in the eye, no food.
You can't have any food, anywhere near them.
Fuck, are they gremlins?
din thomas
What the fuck?
joe rogan
No, man, they're just chimpanzees.
If they decide you have something...
john rallo
You gotta see this.
joe rogan
If they decide that you have something they want, there ain't shit you can do about that.
john rallo
They were fighting over territory.
I mean, you got to see the hierarchy within their clans or whatever you want to call it.
It's a badass.
You had the guy on your show, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, the guy who produced it.
john rallo
That's how I heard it.
joe rogan
The show's so good, dude.
This is much better than Chimp Crazy.
This is like the opposite of Chimp Crazy.
john rallo
Yeah, this is real shit.
joe rogan
Chimp Crazy is sad, but this is amazing.
It's amazing.
Because these chimps are so accustomed to these scientists that they acted completely normal around them.
Like, they were just a part of nature to them.
Because their whole life they had had scientists around them with cameras.
It was just a thing in the forest.
It was just like, that's a different kind of tree or something.
As long as you don't have food, as long as you don't look them in the eye and don't get any closer than 20 yards.
Those are the rules.
So if the chimps start moving towards you, you move away.
Don't look them in the eye.
You look away.
Don't have any fucking food.
If you got a candy bar, they'll rip your dick off for that candy bar.
They don't have any sense of what's appropriate.
There's no remorse.
They bite each other's hands off.
din thomas
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Bro, they're ruthless.
And that's our closest relative.
matt serra
See, you know what you do?
You just get a dog.
You don't get a fucking...
You don't get a fucking...
It's not a PJ and the Bear type of shit.
Get the fuck out of here.
Who needs that?
joe rogan
Who needs that shit?
Nobody needs that shit.
All that shit you see in those movies, though, those are all young chimps.
You can't even train them when they get older.
They're not listening to nothing.
There's no listening.
din thomas
I gotta watch this.
matt serra
Remember that Clint Eastwood movie, fucking Any Which Way But Loose?
I used to love those movies.
john rallo
And Any Which Way You Can.
matt serra
The second one, when they were going to have that fight, and then it's, you know, they heard they're still fighting.
And then it's, you know, guys, there are different, oh, let's get on the plane and let's go see the fight.
Dude, they're fighting for fucking two hours, these guys.
john rallo
Like across the state.
joe rogan
And who's that guy's name?
Tank Murdoch?
Is that the guy's name?
john rallo
In the first one, yeah.
matt serra
They became friends at the end.
john rallo
I remember all that shit.
Philo Bello was Clint's name.
matt serra
Philo Bello.
joe rogan
It's funny because back then you would never think that people were actually having bare-knuckle fights for money and now it's on pay-per-view There was never gonna be bare-knuckle boxing I'll tell you man as a sport.
That's crazy So this is just some backyard shit that people would do like this is the this is the big killer This is the guy that's like the big money champion.
He's gonna eventually fight him, and he's watching Clint, and he steps in to help him, and he starts fucking some people up.
matt serra
We didn't even know what real fighting was back then.
joe rogan
I had no idea!
Somebody needs to redo it.
Well, all those things he did would work.
I mean, it's not crazy.
He's not doing any, like, jump split kicks.
matt serra
I used to like these movies as a kid.
unidentified
I loved them.
john rallo
These movies were great.
joe rogan
This movie was great.
Clint Eastwood was the fucking man.
john rallo
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
He has the best Western movie of all time.
din thomas
What's that?
john rallo
Unforgiven.
Unforgiven.
din thomas
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that.
unidentified
I did see that.
john rallo
Man, I'm a fan of Tombstone with Val Kilmer, too.
joe rogan
I love that movie.
unidentified
That one scene.
joe rogan
That one scene made that whole movie.
That one scene was so intense.
john rallo
Which one?
Unforgiven?
joe rogan
I'm Ya Huckleberry.
When he's looking, he's like, I'm Johnny Barrett.
matt serra
Any time you get Kurt, and we did this in a group text.
We talked about Bone Tomahawk.
Kurt Russell.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
I did watch it.
I think when I find these movies that I never heard about, it came out in like 2015. I saw it on Netflix, I thought it was new, and I didn't know, so I started watching it.
Holy fuck, what have you seen it?
joe rogan
It's a good one, yeah.
matt serra
It's like a western horror movie, because these cannibal Indians are almost like predators, because they got these things in it.
joe rogan
Well, they're completely different, like a different species of person.
They have these things in their windpipes, remember?
matt serra
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
And what about Matthew Fox in this?
matt serra
This guy's the guy from Lost.
He was phenomenal!
joe rogan
Very good in it.
matt serra
This movie is now...
I get, like, obsessed with some movies.
This is my latest obsession.
I fucking love this movie, Dean Thomas.
joe rogan
I've never seen this!
It's a great movie.
It's a fun horror movie, and the fact that it didn't get the attention that it deserves...
matt serra
It's just...
joe rogan
I think there's too many movies out.
matt serra
I never heard of this shit.
john rallo
There's too many shows.
din thomas
There's so much stuff.
Everybody's like, have you seen this show?
It's like, man, I can't watch everything.
joe rogan
I love Shogun.
I haven't finished it.
din thomas
Me neither.
For sure.
matt serra
There's certain things it takes a while to get through.
I blew right through Shogun.
joe rogan
Bro, I just blew right through Peaky Blinders.
john rallo
Peaky Blinders?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
din thomas
I saw that.
john rallo
Fucking amazing.
din thomas
Hey, Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders?
john rallo
You have to get through the first season.
The first season's slow as fuck.
Once you get out of the first season, you'll be good to go.
joe rogan
I love the first season, man, but it gets hot after that.
How good is Tom Hardy?
din thomas
Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders.
matt serra
Oh, I see clips of him in that.
joe rogan
That motherfucker can act.
din thomas
Man, can he act.
joe rogan
He's on a totally different level.
Even just everything about it.
You buy that eccentric psychopath.
You buy it.
You buy everything about it.
He's got rules.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
He was the man in Peaky Blinders.
matt serra
No, no.
I'll tell you what I tapped out on.
And you know me.
I like superhero shit.
And the show The Boys, I was in, and there's some good stuff in that show.
You ever hear of The Boys?
joe rogan
I've heard of it.
I haven't watched it.
din thomas
It gets redundant.
matt serra
No, no.
But no, this is...
Want to know when I tapped out?
The scene where I fucking tapped out?
Now, you know in X-Men, you ever hear of Multiple Man?
He can make multiple of himself, like other clones of himself?
All right.
Now, listen...
I'm not a prude, okay?
I could deal with some sex scenes and some freaky shit.
But my thing is this.
There's a scene.
Now, I don't need to see a guy's face in another guy's asshole.
Even if it's his own body.
So multiple man, or this little version of him in his thing.
john rallo
He's not lying.
matt serra
They go into a sauna, right?
And I guess this happens sometimes in gay gyms.
joe rogan
This is a superhero show?
matt serra
There's a close-up of a human centipede.
It's a human centipede.
joe rogan
Is that an inside of an asshole?
matt serra
He's in this guy's asshole right now.
joe rogan
Look, he's touching his asshole.
He's in the guy's asshole right now.
matt serra
No, it's like a hamster.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
This is a real scene in the show?
They're trying to normalize this.
Exactly.
This is a bizarre agenda.
matt serra
See what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
This is an asshole.
He's inside an asshole and he's naked.
matt serra
So now this guy, they open up the thing and they see that, oh yeah, I hope it was worth it.
joe rogan
And so then he came full size.
He turned full size and he blew the guy apart.
matt serra
Yeah, that's like Ant-Man inside someone's asshole.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not necessary.
matt serra
Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying.
But picture this.
joe rogan
Kind of crazy.
matt serra
You ever see a human centipede?
joe rogan
Let me see that again.
Kind of crazy way to die.
I want to see him explode.
So what happens?
Does he just decide to get bigger?
john rallo
I think he sneezes.
unidentified
Oh, he sneezed.
joe rogan
Oh, he sneezed.
john rallo
I guess his ability to control it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
But the whole show is like this, where they do shit like that.
unidentified
That is so crazy.
matt serra
But like, there's some good stuff in the show.
Yeah, that's gross.
john rallo
The first few seasons was cool.
This past season, they got woke on me.
joe rogan
I'm trying to explain that to the cops.
unidentified
And then multiple men.
matt serra
He's got pink eye, because he had his face in an asshole.
So now he's coming back, he's got a pink eye in his own.
joe rogan
100% someone's trying to normalize things like that.
Because that's probably like every bottom's dream, is to actually climb inside a guy's asshole.
I just want to be inside of you.
You know, I just want to just...
Just get all up in there.
din thomas
But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
That's unnecessary.
I would tap out after that.
I tapped out on The Walking Dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat.
din thomas
Yeah, me too.
matt serra
You know what's fucked up, though?
They actually did that in the comic book.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure they did.
You didn't have to show it to me like that.
It's murder porn.
That's murder porn.
We like Glenn.
I love Glenn.
I saw Glenn at the UFC and he looked sad.
He looked sad.
Because they killed him off with a baseball bat.
But did you imagine that's your character, your character for all these years, everybody loves it, and they kill him off with a baseball bat, and you're like...
And then you, no more show.
Bye.
Bye, we're done with you.
matt serra
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Well, you can't keep doing that.
Oh, the people are the monsters.
You can't keep doing that forever.
It gets boring.
Figure it out.
Find out who the cunts are.
Kill them.
Let's start a community.
matt serra
Shows jump the ship, too.
Like fucking Cobra Kai.
I like that first season.
joe rogan
Why are they still zombies?
They walk two miles an hour.
You haven't killed them yet.
din thomas
How hard is it to figure out how to kill these things?
joe rogan
They're so easy.
All you need is that lady with the sword.
unidentified
Every day, run out, kill 30 of them.
din thomas
Eventually, yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody's going to be left.
This is crazy that they still run into zombies.
You haven't killed all the zombies in like five years.
matt serra
That show...
din thomas
I agree.
matt serra
I think there was a spinoff with Daryl Dixon.
I didn't even watch.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of spinoffs.
There's the LA one, too.
The LA spinoff, too.
It was pretty good.
It was Fear of the Walking Dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That might have been the best one.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was really good.
Especially in the beginning.
It was really good.
Because it was like, no one knows what the fuck is going on.
But it gave you a real sense of dread and fear.
Like, these people are trapped in the middle of this outbreak.
And the military moves in.
And no one gives anybody any answers.
Which is really how it would go.
din thomas
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
The LA one, Fear of the Walking Dead, is much more realistic.
Like, this is how it would go.
Like, the guy waking up in the hospital in The Walking Dead, the problem with that scene...
It's 28 days later.
That's how it starts.
Same exact scene.
28 days later, Killian Murphy, also from Peaky Blinders, he's in the hospital and he wakes up.
He doesn't know what the fuck happened because he got hit by a car or something like that.
matt serra
That was a great movie, by the way.
joe rogan
Was he riding a bike, got hit by a car, I think?
So he wakes up.
He has no idea what the fuck's going on.
And in getting out of the hospital, he realizes that the world has ended and there's a zombie apocalypse have broken out while he was in a coma.
din thomas
So they just stole the whole thing?
joe rogan
Somebody stole it.
din thomas
What came out first?
matt serra
The comic book?
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
It's a very good question.
What year did the Walking Dead graphic novel come out?
It's a legit question.
matt serra
Thanks, guys!
joe rogan
Do you know those movies?
You can't find them on streaming?
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
You can't find 28 days later on streaming.
unidentified
Really?
din thomas
Yeah, because I've never seen it.
That's why I don't know.
joe rogan
I think you can find 28 weeks later, but 28 days later, I don't think you can find.
Interesting.
Because I just bought it.
I ordered it on DVD. I even bought a DVD. You even have a DVD player?
din thomas
I do.
unidentified
How do you even have a DVD player?
joe rogan
Because they asked me If I wanted one, I said, yeah, I'll take one of them.
And I haven't used it ever.
I've been in this house for four years.
I never used that fucking DVD player.
But I'm going to use it for this.
john rallo
You can still get Blu-rays.
joe rogan
Especially, they look really good.
Blu-ray, high resolution.
Those DVDs, it's probably as good or better than streaming.
din thomas
Hmm.
I just don't know anybody with a DVD player.
That's like VHS. I don't have that.
joe rogan
I had that for a long time, though, because I used to get all the Pride videos on VHS. I used to get like K1 videos and shit, all the weird shit from Japan from a friend of mine.
He would send it all on VHS. What year was the graphic novel?
jamie vernon
I saw a Reddit discussion that they both...
For the record, I want to answer your question.
The Walking Dead came out within the same year that the movie came out?
But someone noted that they both were taking from another movie that came out in the 60s.
joe rogan
Oh, what was that movie?
jamie vernon
The Day of the Triffids?
matt serra
Ooh, The Day of the Triffids!
joe rogan
That's a zombie movie too?
jamie vernon
I was trying to look it up when you were asking.
joe rogan
Is that a monster movie or a zombie movie?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like zombies or something like that.
din thomas
Oh, look at this.
joe rogan
What a Triffid?
What the fuck?
Yeah, what is a Triffid?
jamie vernon
After being splashed with Triffid poison from a stinger.
joe rogan
During his recovery, he's told of an unexpected green meteor shower.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's some 1976 shit.
jamie vernon
For the record, I guess 28 Days Later may have...
Sorry, Walking Dead may have taken from...
matt serra
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, 28 Days Later was a lot earlier, right?
What year did 28 Days Later come out?
jamie vernon
That's what I was saying.
It says the comics came out less than a year after 28 Days Later was first in cinemas.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, 28 Days Later was first.
matt serra
This guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later.
I know.
din thomas
I never had Max.
I just got Max just so I could watch that shit.
Season two.
joe rogan
Dude, it's good.
matt serra
Yeah, it is good.
din thomas
I ain't gonna lie.
It is good.
john rallo
It's a real good show.
matt serra
I liked it so much.
I told Dean after the first season, I didn't want to wait till the second season.
So I got the book and I ended up reading all five books.
And that blows my mind.
din thomas
Is that good?
matt serra
Oh, it's fucking great.
I loved it so much, I did it on my iPad, and because of my ADD, I made the font real big, so it's like two paragraphs.
I'm like, eh, I'm going right through the thing.
Otherwise, I'll start looking at a squirrel.
din thomas
On a real, I don't even...
I didn't even know Matt could read and shit.
matt serra
You know, I started with comic books.
But I loved it so much that I just...
joe rogan
Sorry, so why has 28 Days Later been removed from streaming?
It says, indeed, Disney lost the rights to the independently financed original film, with them now only owning the rights to Searchlight Finance sequel 28 weeks later.
So, well, who the fuck owns it?
jamie vernon
So whoever made it, I guess.
joe rogan
And what, they don't want to put it on Netflix?
john rallo
Why wouldn't they?
joe rogan
It's one of the best zombie movies of all time.
matt serra
It's not the best.
It's great, because when they weren't slow, they'd get rabid.
jamie vernon
Could be one of those VPN things.
It could be another country, and maybe you sneak around and find it.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Maybe.
matt serra
That was a great movie.
And they're coming out with 28 years later.
joe rogan
For real?
matt serra
Yeah, they are.
joe rogan
Is there anybody left?
matt serra
I think it's that guy, the Peaky Valley guy.
joe rogan
What kind of life is that?
What kind of life is it like if some fucking Wuhan China lab comes up with some zombie virus and releases it?
That sounds crazy, but rabies is real.
That's exactly what rabies is.
din thomas
It's Cujo.
joe rogan
Rabies takes animals that never want to bite people and turns them into an animal that needs to bite you.
They run at you.
They're not scared of you.
Rats will run at you.
Foxes, they run at you when they have rabies.
din thomas
I've never thought about that.
Rabies is just zombies.
joe rogan
It is zombies because it kills people.
Before we figured out how to stop it, and you have to get those shots before you start having symptoms.
They have to find out you got bit and then give you those shots, and it has to happen really quickly.
Because if you don't, it kills most people.
Rabies kills something like 99% of the people that get it.
din thomas
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's an old disease.
And so one of the things they figured out is that if they slow down everything in your body and put you into a medically induced coma, it gives your body the resources to fight it off.
Because your body can fight it off, but it can't fight it off as quick as the virus moves forward.
It's an old virus, man.
It's a weird virus.
din thomas
Yo, that's crazy!
joe rogan
So like, when you think about what that is, it's a crazy old virus that spreads itself by making its host violent.
It is rage.
So saying that no one would ever do that, these fucking psychopath eggheads that they give these grants to that do this fucking gain-of-function research shit on viruses, making them more infectious to human beings, do you think they would stop at a coronavirus?
Why wouldn't they fuck with rabies?
matt serra
You know who fights like they have rabies?
Merab.
unidentified
He's trying to spread the rabies.
matt serra
He does.
joe rogan
I used to say that about Liam Harrison.
matt serra
And, you know, people are making a big thing about, oh, he's got to get him down.
He's got to get him down.
He didn't get...
Listen, he gets him down.
He's in trouble, Sugar Sean.
But look what he did to Jose Aldo.
He didn't get him down too much.
And they put him up against the cage.
All that height, this...
The difference in height, the reach, that's at a disadvantage once he gets a hold of him.
So he could beat the shit out of him up against the cage.
He doesn't get him down for a round.
Now there's a little less pop in his punches and strikes.
That length is going to be a problem when he closes the distance, Merab.
din thomas
So I got to ask you, because you know Merab better than anybody here, I'm sure.
Yes.
When I see him now, he's just a different animal.
A complete different character.
Has he always been this type of character?
Making jokes and always been funny.
matt serra
When he first came to us, the English wasn't great at all.
It's not what it is now.
He's always been a sweetheart.
din thomas
Just a sweetheart.
john rallo
Imagine having Matt and Ray Longo as your English teachers.
matt serra
Oh no, he's funny.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
matt serra
He's always been funny.
unidentified
Come on.
john rallo
And Ray, I love you.
You know that.
joe rogan
A reality show with you and Ray Longo cornering fighters and just traveling around and training fighters.
You know how big that show would be?
matt serra
You know what's funny?
I just had a moment.
I want to thank you, by the way.
I just did my own.
I'm doing it once a week.
I'm doing my own geek podcast called Geeking Out with Matt Sarah.
Thank you.
You're the one who pushed me to do that.
joe rogan
Listen, you are a natural.
unidentified
Thank you.
matt serra
No.
You're a natural for this.
Actually, it's out today.
The second episode I did, I did one with my buddy Phoenix Cannavale.
She's great.
We talked about our worst to best X-Men movies.
This is right up my alley.
joe rogan
Are you doing this on YouTube, too?
Yes, on YouTube.
matt serra
It's the Matt Serra channel.
joe rogan
You have it on everything, Spotify, Apple.
matt serra
It's going to be on Spotify.
It is on Spotify, yeah.
I did two episodes, one with Phoenix about the X-Men movies, and the second one was myself and Ray Longo.
My studio is nine minutes from Longo's school, and we did our top five gangster movies.
There's a movie that's on our list that I didn't know this fact until it came out, because I don't know why people didn't see this movie.
Did you ever see State of Grace with Sean Penn?
A lot of people haven't seen that.
Phenomenal movie.
john rallo
Yeah, we talked about it.
matt serra
I watched it again with my wife before I did the show, just back in my head, because I knew it was going to be on the list.
And I wondered why so many people didn't see this movie.
So fucking the great Ray Longo brought up a great point.
It came out the opening weekend, same as Goodfellas.
Same opening weekend.
That's why it was fucking under the radar.
You've never seen it?
din thomas
I've never seen it.
How dare you?
I've never even heard of it until you just said it right now.
joe rogan
I remember it.
It's a very good movie.
matt serra
So that's the second episode of Mia Longo.
joe rogan
That's a good one to remember.
I forgot about that.
matt serra
State of Grace is great.
Another one on the list that a lot of people have seen this because Biggie Smalls raps about him is The King of New York.
john rallo
Yeah, a great movie.
matt serra
You ever seen The King of New York?
din thomas
Christopher Walken, yeah.
joe rogan
Alright, but let me ask you this.
Does heat count?
Is that a mob movie?
matt serra
You know what?
I was thinking about putting it in there, but it's more of a heist movie.
joe rogan
It's a heist movie, but it's organized crime.
john rallo
It is.
joe rogan
The guy who got out of jail, it's based on a real dude.
The guy who was the De Niro character who got out of jail, it was based on a real dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did a bunch of robberies, and then he went to jail for a long-ass time and got out and did a bunch more robberies.
john rallo
Was he a mob dude?
joe rogan
I don't...
He was organized crime, for sure, but it's like...
Who was he connected to?
Was he connected to the Mafia?
Was he independent, organized crime?
But he was super sophisticated.
john rallo
It was a fantastic movie.
matt serra
Phenomenal movie.
din thomas
But does American Gangster count?
joe rogan
Right.
matt serra
That probably does.
din thomas
By the way, it's literally in the title.
joe rogan
Also, in the title, it says Gangster.
matt serra
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
john rallo
That's not ambiguous.
joe rogan
Bro, that's a great movie.
That's a fucking great movie.
And also based on a real dude.
matt serra
A funny thing about Al Pacino in that movie, he's over the top in it.
She's got a great ass!
When I seen him, he spoke about his role in that.
He goes, what influenced him about playing that character is that the character was chipping off pieces of cocaine like he was a cokehead.
And they kind of took that out of the movie, but that's how he was playing them, like all coked up.
So it kind of explains it, like how he was so out of his mind.
joe rogan
So they didn't show it in the movie, but that was how it was written?
matt serra
He said it, it was, yes, he was like chipping off pieces of cocaine.
joe rogan
Did they just edit that out of the movie?
matt serra
I have no clue, but he definitely said it in an interview.
joe rogan
Was it in the movie?
john rallo
I don't believe so.
matt serra
They did not have him do it in the movie.
joe rogan
Imagine you're doing that.
You're doing this all coked up character and he's doing coke and then they cut out all the coked out.
din thomas
Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him?
matt serra
Once he said that.
john rallo
You're playing a drunk, you're going to remove the alcohol.
matt serra
It made perfect sense though, once he said it.
He goes, that's why I chose some of the choices I made for that character.
joe rogan
If there was no meth, how much less crime would there be?
din thomas
50%?
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I mean, just think about how many ridiculous crimes get cooked up while they're on meth, literally.
john rallo
Or to get the meth.
joe rogan
Yeah.
din thomas
Right, yeah, yeah.
Meth influence.
joe rogan
Do you remember that North Hollywood shootout?
It was just like the movie Heat.
john rallo
Oh yes!
matt serra
They were in body armor.
joe rogan
These dudes had body armor.
They had like fucking big giant machine guns and shit.
john rallo
They were literally just walking up the street blasting people.
joe rogan
Apparently they were roided out of their fucking minds.
These dudes are roided out of their minds doing coke and they robbed this bank in North Hollywood and the cops boxed them in.
They had a shootout on the street.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
I was on news radio at the time.
We stopped production of the show to watch it on television.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?
It was so crazy.
john rallo
How far from you was it?
joe rogan
Real close.
Real close.
Like, we were in Studio City.
North Hollywood's 15 minutes away.
10 minutes away.
Real close.
In the middle of the street.
You ever see the footage?
john rallo
It's crazy.
The news footage is wild.
joe rogan
The footage is crazy.
And here's what's crazy.
One of the cops shot one of the dudes and then did not call for ambulance.
And then people were criticizing him that he let the guy bleed out.
din thomas
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember these fucking crazy liberals.
They were criticizing him because this psychopathic murderer who just robbed a bank who was gunning down cops because he let them bleed out and didn't get them to an ambulance in time.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Yo.
I think we know that guy's guilty.
unidentified
There's no CGI in 1996. Save the taxpayers some money.
joe rogan
See if you can find that, Jamie, because it's crazy to watch, man.
In the middle of the street, dude.
din thomas
In the middle?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So these guys were having a shootout with cops.
This guy's walking down the street, just blasting.
din thomas
Like a movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, like a fucking movie.
john rallo
It did look like a movie.
joe rogan
Shooting at cops, dude.
And this is just one part of it.
Sometimes he was ducking behind cars with giant rifles and shit.
I mean, they were just armed to the tits.
This is him at the end.
So I think at the end, he's probably trying to die.
john rallo
It's a pretty long scene, too, when the real shit went down.
joe rogan
I forgot how it ends.
Oh, we got him with another shot.
jamie vernon
This set keeps going because then the other guy comes.
joe rogan
So he's trying to die.
matt serra
What's this guy doing?
joe rogan
He's probably already been shot.
matt serra
This guy's doing a little GTA action now.
joe rogan
It went on for a long-ass time, too.
And this was back when, if something happened, they would, we interrupt General Hospital.
To show you the Hollywood Shootout.
Hollywood Shootout?
Bro, this is in the caveman days.
I lived in the caveman days.
din thomas
Yo, what year was this?
joe rogan
This is like 97?
Oh, 97?
Yeah.
matt serra
Really?
din thomas
Oh, I don't even remember this.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember it big time.
john rallo
Yeah, I do too.
joe rogan
Because I have a friend, my friend Justin, he's always said, he goes, dude, let me tell you something, six armed dudes that know what the fuck they're doing could take over a whole city.
I was like, really?
He goes, cities are so vulnerable.
We're so vulnerable.
din thomas
What?
joe rogan
Six dudes.
Six operators really know what they're doing.
din thomas
Could take over a whole city.
joe rogan
Guys who used to work for Blackwater.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come over.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like, you should be fucking surprised.
So when you see something like this happen, it's like, how do they keep these fucking crazy people from...
You know, we need to do a better job of finding out where the meth is going.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
You know, you're going to trace illegal aliens, but find out who's bringing in the meth.
Where's that fucking meth coming in?
I know a lot of people are coming in.
din thomas
They just make it, right?
john rallo
Yeah, they can make it.
joe rogan
Well, you need precursors.
john rallo
They try to lock down most of the drugs for it now, like the Sudafed and shit.
I mean, you've got to give a license to get that stuff now.
That's why.
joe rogan
The people that are making that, they're not using that.
They're getting real chemicals.
They're getting the real precursors.
But you have to get them from, like, China.
So they're getting them from China, cooking it up in Mexico, bringing it across the border.
unidentified
Wee!
The dudes with a truck stop are driving all night long.
john rallo
Breaking bad.
matt serra
Breaking bad.
din thomas
Walter White doing that shit.
john rallo
Yeah, another great TV show.
joe rogan
I've talked about it a thousand times, but there's a book that we just read.
It's called Blitzed.
This dude, Norman Ohlher.
It's all about the Nazis.
They gave them Nazis meth.
matt serra
Oh yeah, there's that scene of Hitler fucking watching the fucking games.
joe rogan
Yeah, but apparently what they did was they were given a mess so they could go three days through Poland.
So they could just storm through Poland.
And so when they did this, no one thought they could get across the whole country in three days.
And you really couldn't unless you didn't sleep.
So all they did is gave these guys meth.
And they gave different doses to different jobs.
So if you were in the tanks, they gave you the most meth.
You're at the front of the line, fucker.
din thomas
So you're just like...
unidentified
Just yelling in German and just...
din thomas
Boom!
unidentified
Boom!
matt serra
Did you see that Tank fucking movie?
I was watching it last night since you said that.
Brad Pitt.
john rallo
Oh, yeah.
matt serra
That's fucking pretty badass.
joe rogan
That's a badass movie.
matt serra
John Bernenthal.
din thomas
That's a badass movie.
matt serra
Yeah, yeah.
john rallo
He's a good actor, man.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, too.
Very interesting guy.
unidentified
The Punisher.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's very smart.
I had him on the podcast.
He's a genuine thinker.
He really thinks.
Sometimes you talk to actors and they're pretending to be a guy that you would want to talk to.
That's what it feels like when you talk to them.
They're not really there.
But John's right there.
matt serra
He's also phenomenal in a movie that a lot of people didn't see called Shot Caller.
din thomas
Oh, fuck!
matt serra
Shot caller with Jamie Lannister.
john rallo
Game of Thrones guy.
matt serra
Yeah, the Game of Thrones guy.
That's a fucking great one.
What's it about?
Basically, Jamie Lannister.
I just know him as Jamie Lannister.
He's like a yuppie guy.
He's going out to eat with another couple.
He goes through a red light.
He gets through a car accident.
Next thing you know, he's facing prison time.
And he's not a guy he made for prison.
Remember that old Tom Selleck movie, Innocent Man?
Something kind of like that, but he really did the accident.
Next thing you know, he gets to the prison.
He doesn't want to be no bitch, and it goes from there.
And he becomes a hardcore fucking guy.
They call him money.
And that's how he ends up, but he didn't start off like that.
And oh man, is it a...
You know who's in it?
Keith Jardine.
joe rogan
Really?
matt serra
Yeah, Keith Jardine's a cellmate in there.
He's great in it.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a must book for any prison movie.
matt serra
movie oh yeah i don't think he had no doubt about that yeah that fucking guy yeah i believe he was great don't laugh john ronald you you next yeah you look like you'd be in prison too you could be in that movie yeah you'd be part of that fucking arian i remember when keith jardine beat chuck liddell i was like wow yeah right that was yeah that was a yeah no one saw that coming that was a big win and then he suffered some of the same losses you know well
joe rogan
Houston Alexander one was crazy!
He just had a bare-knuckle boxing fight recently.
Really?
He's gotta be in his 40s.
He's in his 50s.
He's either bare-knuckle boxing or maybe celebrity boxing.
I forget.
Some kind of boxing thing he just did.
But Houston Alexander in his prime was terrifying.
He was terrifying.
din thomas
He had crazy power.
Yeah, like if he did Bare Knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.
joe rogan
Oh, he's built for it.
Yeah.
john rallo
He was a victim of his own success.
That's what happened.
joe rogan
Look at that.
May 19th, 2023. Bare Knuckle.
He won!
din thomas
Man, look at them results!
joe rogan
He beat Joey Beltran.
Joey Beltran could fight.
Jeremy Smith?
Damn, look at him.
He's still out there fighting.
But he always was in phenomenal shape.
That dude was jacked!
With that Keith Jardine fight, Jardine had him hurt.
And so Jardine got a little overzealous in the game after him, and Houston Alexander caught him.
That was a shocker.
Keith Jardine was a name.
And this just upstart, this guy coming out of nowhere.
john rallo
I think he was a radio DJ. I think he beat Saqqara after that, the Italian...
joe rogan
Alessio Saqqara?
Yeah, yeah.
I thought he beat him, too.
din thomas
Yeah, Kimbo.
joe rogan
But I think he was a radio DJ at the time.
unidentified
Could you imagine being a radio DJ and people talking to DJs and shit?
It was a radio DJ while he was fucking people up.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
matt serra
It's like you in the barbershop, Dean Thomas.
They complain about that fade.
din thomas
Nah, ain't no complaining about my fade.
matt serra
You did a nice...
You used to hook my head up on her every week when I still had hair.
din thomas
Yup.
matt serra
That's how we became friends.
Because they brought in, on the Ultimate Fighter 4, they brought in some chick.
Because they know we, you know, we're not seeing our fiancés or girlfriends or anything.
We have no women.
We got no porn.
We're not jerking off in the same rooms.
So fucking, they bring in some girl to do our hair.
unidentified
- Is that code? - At least as far as they know I'm not wrapping up in there.
matt serra
But so they brought in some stylist, and she's not giving me a fade, so I'm like get the fuck out.
Dean's like, I got you.
din thomas
I said, I got you, man.
matt serra
You know, to look good is to feel good.
You're probably the reason why I won that show.
din thomas
You can never repay me for that.
joe rogan
What season are they on now?
din thomas
32. That's crazy.
matt serra
You know what's sad, man?
The other day, I just did a camera crew from Toronto came down.
They're doing a thing called Dark Side of the Cage, and they want to interview me about War Machine.
And they came out.
And I did a thing for that.
And it just depressed me.
It just brought me down.
Because that was a kid.
Did you know him?
joe rogan
I had him on the podcast.
matt serra
That's right.
When he was on the show, there's some guys that are just evil.
And there's other guys that I think that if they had the right people around them, they could have made different choices.
And he was like a goofy...
He had issues.
He was emotional.
He always felt like the cards were stacked against him type of thing.
But there was still something likable about him on the show when he was on season six of The Ultimate Fighter.
He was like a prankster.
He did it up at Decker and fucking the guy's toilet.
He was like a silly guy.
But I felt that if he had the right people around him, I think he could have made, obviously, a lot better choices.
din thomas
But think about that.
But that goes for all of us, right?
Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right?
And then me and Matt, we still in the game.
But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone.
joe rogan
You could have too much.
You know, you can have too much bravado.
You can have too much crazy and then it'll ruin your life.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's like, every fighter has a certain amount of crazy.
And some guys keep their crazy chamed.
din thomas
They keep it all locked up.
joe rogan
They keep it locked up in a fucking, behind that mask.
But some guys, they just can't, their crazy burns them down.
It burns down everything around them.
And then, you know, you got the CTE. And CTE comes into play, then there's a lot of guys that just get real impulsive.
They become addicts.
They fuck up all relationships.
They can't keep their shit together.
They're either crying or they're angry.
matt serra
There's some guys that are just bad eggs.
joe rogan
There are guys that are bad eggs, but there are guys for sure that are bad eggs that then get CTE. Oh, no, there's probably...
unidentified
Both.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
But like, War Machine, the one guy to show up at his trial to be there for him...
And again, you show me your friends, you show me who you are.
And it was Phil Barone.
Now, Phil Barone's not a good guy.
The guy's from Long Island.
A million stories about him.
joe rogan
Well, isn't he in jail right now?
matt serra
Well, that's what I'm saying, man.
joe rogan
In Mexico?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
matt serra
Not only did he be there for war machine, he outdid him.
You know, war machine put his girl in the hospital and beat the shit out of her.
And now, you know, Barone's in jail for, you know, allegedly killing her.
unidentified
Murder, yeah.
matt serra
Murder in Mexico.
john rallo
Yeah, Puerto Vallarta, I think.
matt serra
You know.
joe rogan
It was like...
A bad one, too.
Beating to death.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
And now that guy, I mean, listen.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
matt serra
Allegedly.
Yeah, but it's brutal, man.
So, you know, these guys come, you know, again, but back to War Machine, I don't know.
It makes me more, like, Phil I always knew was a piece of shit, but...
War Machine, I felt, could have been helped.
I really do.
I mean, what's done is done, but I don't know.
It depresses me.
Because I thought there was some hope.
You had him on the show.
Didn't you think there was something about it?
joe rogan
I never would have imagined that he would have done that.
matt serra
Right?
joe rogan
But I would imagine that he would lose his cool if anybody challenged him.
A male.
A male.
I just never thought that he would do that.
matt serra
To a girl.
The way he did that, too.
I mean, her eye was shot.
joe rogan
The whole thing is just awful.
Every part about it is awful.
matt serra
Depressed the hell out of me.
joe rogan
And how many guys that That are doing this, like, have also experienced that in their life.
Like, seen their mother been beaten, been beaten by their father, grew up in an abusive household where everybody hits everybody.
There's a lot of kids, unfortunately, in this world that grow up with parents beating the shit out of them and beating the shit out of each other.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And, you know, if you ever talk to Joe Pfeiffer, man.
Joe Pfeiffer.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
din thomas
That's my guy.
john rallo
He was on your podcast.
joe rogan
The reason why he's a fucking assassin.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Because that dude's angry.
din thomas
Angry all the time.
joe rogan
He's angry all the time.
And he hits like a fucking neutron bomb.
He's terrifying.
din thomas
I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him, and we were doing elbows, and my wrists still ain't the same right now.
joe rogan
Bro, when he banged out Barrio, I was like, Jesus Christ.
I mean, with more seasoning, Jack Dellup, I mean, Jack...
Jack Hermanson fought a beautiful fight.
He outsmarted him.
He had more time in the game, and Jack's stand-up has gotten a lot better over the years.
He used to be just this wicked grappler, but he held his own on the feet and won the fight mostly with striking, right?
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
And pace.
And just knowing not to empty the gas tank.
But Pfeiffer is so scary that he gets everybody out of there so quick.
din thomas
Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them.
I promise you that.
joe rogan
I believe you 100%.
He's terrifying.
And like a dude like that, he needs a fight like that just to kind of like put it in perspective.
din thomas
Yeah, put him in check.
He said, all right, I got a lot more to learn.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to learn the gas tank.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many guys don't learn the gas tank?
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
matt serra
That's what's great about Brady the other day.
din thomas
Yeah.
Incredible.
matt serra
He knew when to put the foot on the gas.
joe rogan
I was more impressed with his stand-up than anything.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Stand-up was sharp.
john rallo
Earlier, it was all his grappling, and I'm thinking, this guy, I texted him right after a fight, and that was what I complimented him on.
din thomas
And I gotta give props to John Marquez out in Philly.
John Marquez will be putting it together.
He'll be putting in work with them guys, you know?
joe rogan
You can tell he's a good student too, man, because every fight you see him, and I think in the Bilal Muhammad fight, early in the fight, he was giving Bilal some trouble standing up, but Bilal just put it, I don't think Bilal gets nearly the respect he deserves.
john rallo
Bilal's the man.
din thomas
Yeah, Bilal's the man.
joe rogan
Bro, the way he put it on Leon Edwards, how the fuck do you not give that guy all the props?
john rallo
He handled Sean.
joe rogan
He handled Sean too.
And he stopped Sean standing up.
He stopped Sean standing up, you know?
And then when you see what he did to Leon, you're like, good lord.
It just overwhelmed him.
Overwhelming pressure.
And on the feet too.
din thomas
On the feet, yeah.
joe rogan
On the feet, real fucking dangerous.
Never lets you get set.
din thomas
Had Leon making excuses about the time change.
Put it that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It's a different kind of fight.
john rallo
Yeah, Leon never found his timing, ever.
joe rogan
And bro, that guy going to Dagestan was like the ultimate move.
din thomas
The ultimate move.
joe rogan
You get involved with Khabib, especially with his kind of style and his work ethic.
That dude has a work ethic.
john rallo
Made his top control definitely look better.
joe rogan
I also think it's good that he didn't get the props.
Because it keeps him hungry.
john rallo
It keeps you hungry.
joe rogan
It keeps you fucking 100%.
I'll show you, bitches.
din thomas
He's still like that, too, man.
He's still hungry and still down to earth.
He ain't get all high class.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Well, he's just begun, right?
So this is a championship run.
He proved everybody wrong.
He won the title.
He's telling everybody, fuck you, even though he doesn't even swear.
He says, fudge.
He'll say, like, fudge you.
din thomas
I'm like, what's wrong with you, man?
He's supposed to cuss.
joe rogan
Crazy.
din thomas
He doesn't cuss.
joe rogan
But, like, that guy's just beginning his run, you know?
So who knows?
But that division...
din thomas
Who do you think they give him next?
joe rogan
I think they give him Kamaru.
din thomas
That's what I thought, too.
That's the big money fight.
joe rogan
It's the smart fight.
But they owe Kamaru for Kamaru taking Hamzan on 10 days' notice.
And also in a three-rounder instead of a five when he won the third.
So he's got the L, which is, if he's going five rounds, maybe he doesn't get an L. Yeah, I think he doesn't get the L if it was five rounds.
It looked to me like he was coming on in the third.
He had to figure him out, and also he had to trust his gas tank.
The guy trained ten days, one of the scariest motherfuckers on earth.
john rallo
I mean, that's a gangster.
joe rogan
I say you've got to give it to Kamaru because I think Kamaru earned it from that alone.
matt serra
He had to weather that fucking storm of a first round.
You're getting off a couch.
Even if you're in great shape, you have to weather something like that.
That could get your endurance down right there.
john rallo
100%.
joe rogan
And he had to know, like, how much do I have?
Like, how do I manage this?
But he did manage it.
He didn't get stopped.
He didn't get finished.
And then he comes on and wins the third round.
You gotta go, come on, man.
You won't have any more years of Kamaru.
He's like 37 now.
din thomas
And he doesn't have time to go on another run.
How old is Kamaru?
joe rogan
Is he 37?
din thomas
He's gotta be 37 now.
joe rogan
How old is Kamaru?
I say give him a shot.
I say give him a shot.
He got time!
Not only that, every win, he's a legend.
Bigger and bigger legend.
Bigger and bigger legend.
37. See, give it to him.
Give it to Kamaru.
din thomas
And you got them bad ass knees too, man.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I send him every time I find something on stem cells, I send it to him.
din thomas
Do you?
joe rogan
Yeah, because they're regenerating cartilage now.
matt serra
I'm thinking about doing that shit for my...
I'm starting to feel my shoulders, man.
joe rogan
You should.
You should do it.
unidentified
I'm thinking about that.
joe rogan
How long are you in town for?
matt serra
Tomorrow.
joe rogan
What time tomorrow do you leave?
matt serra
In the morning.
joe rogan
What time in the morning?
matt serra
I think like 7 or so.
din thomas
We'll get you in at 5.30.
joe rogan
Stem cells.
I might be able to get you in this afternoon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
Let me see.
matt serra
I thought I gotta go to Columbia for that shit.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
Ways2Well can do stuff here.
They do different things in Colombia.
In Colombia, what they can do is they can multiply the stem cells.
So they can take stem cells.
They do that in the CPI down in Tijuana.
That's the place.
And they have a whole arrangement with the UFC. They have a partnership with the UFC. CPI is incredible.
They're in Tijuana.
din thomas
Damn.
john rallo
My buddy has a spot at home called Life Med.
They have a deal with the UFC as well.
Petrolski goes there like a bunch of these guys doing that stuff.
joe rogan
Stem cells are absolutely legit.
matt serra
Yeah, because I mean, listen, I got a new knee and it's holding up great, but I hear stuff with the shoulders, you're fucked.
You can't get shoulder surgeries and shit.
unidentified
Well, you can, but you can't use it anymore.
joe rogan
It's going to take some time.
It's a complicated joint.
Do you do anything to strengthen your shoulders?
Do you do any workouts?
matt serra
I mean, no.
I mean, I do my push-ups and I hang from my bar just to stretch the shit out.
joe rogan
Anybody that has shoulder problems.
I have no affiliation with these people.
Get yourself crossover symmetry bands.
Get yourself these bands.
They start with like five pounds or something like that.
I use a 25 pound one.
It's not a lot of force.
And I do a series of exercises just to stabilize my shoulders.
A whole series of different things that I do.
Every week, no matter what, I do these.
matt serra
Is it like that thing with the coils back in the day?
joe rogan
It is, but it's like a bungee cord.
It's like a cord, like a rubber strap that you're pulling on.
john rallo
My physical therapist has them, too.
joe rogan
Different ones have different weights to them, so you can start off low.
But the whole idea is there's a whole chart that comes with it and shows you all the different things, and it just strengthens all the shit that you don't strengthen when you're just lifting weights.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
If you're just lifting weights, or especially if you're just rolling, how often are you really using those shoulder muscles?
You're using everything, right?
So are your shoulder muscles getting a good workout, or is your cardiovascular system and your legs and your biceps and your back, that getting a good workout?
But you're going to miss muscle groups.
Jiu-Jitsu misses muscle groups.
And the only way to really strengthen joints, I think, is exercise.
And I think you've got to do weights and bands and a bunch of shit just to protect your joints.
That's like that knees over toes guy.
john rallo
This thing you were talking about, too, helps to really stabilize the ligaments.
It tightens all the stabilizers up, and that's the thing everybody neglects because if you go too heavy, your delt takes over and your rotator cuff's not getting it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
john rallo
This kind of stuff definitely should be used.
joe rogan
That knees-over-toes guy got a whole shoulder bulletproofing program, too, with light dumbbells where you're doing a bunch of these things.
john rallo
Yeah, I love his knee shit.
din thomas
See, I got to do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up.
unidentified
And then for you, that's all day long.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy how some dudes just have crack, just have some extra crack?
din thomas
I'm telling you, Joe Pifer.
Extra crack.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
din thomas
Extra crack.
joe rogan
For sure.
I wouldn't want to hold pads for that, dude.
You're going to get carpal tunnel syndrome.
din thomas
Yeah.
And that's what happened to me all in one week.
joe rogan
Matt Serra, you had extra crack.
You had extra crack.
unidentified
Crack?
joe rogan
Extra crack.
Matt Serra had a good right hand.
You would catch people and you would see this like, oh no, look on their face.
When you caught GSP, I remember thinking, because we already knew by then that you could knock people out with one shot, which was so odd for a jujitsu guy.
So everybody had to worry about your ground game, but they always have to worry about being in the pocket, because one of those hammers drops in there, and you've got a real problem on your hands.
din thomas
I ain't gonna lie.
When I fought, Matt, I was like, I ain't gonna let him hit me with that right hand.
He ain't gonna take me down before that.
john rallo
It's a little fire plug.
joe rogan
It's a thing, but you didn't have a background in striking as a child, right?
matt serra
No.
My father used to hold pads for me.
I had a wooden dummy in my garage.
I used to do all my stuff.
unidentified
Wing Chun?
Yep.
matt serra
And I'll tell you right now.
If you're doing Wing Chun as something to add on, that's fun.
But the trapping range, the grappling's right there.
Anytime I got into a real fight, I'd start with a chain punch and I'd do my double leg.
joe rogan
I think there's something to it for transitions.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
I think there's something to having all those moves.
Think about how many times you see boxers literally swat a guy's hand down to land a punch.
matt serra
Oh, the puck's out.
din thomas
Hey, that's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
True.
matt serra
But by itself, it's shit.
joe rogan
Of course, but Taekwondo by itself is shit too.
Everything by itself is shit.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
All those things, but I think, I knew a dude who was really good at Wing Chun and he was explaining some things to me.
And some of the things that he was showing me, there's certain vulnerabilities if you're inside with someone where they can really easily manipulate your arms back and forth and move your guard around and drop elbows on you.
Like Wing Chun and then Muay Thai, you see some of the Muay Thai stuff where guys grab wrists and come over the top.
That's a lot of Wing Chun.
matt serra
The difference is, when you look at two Muay Thai guys getting into a street fight, it'll probably look something like you're watching them in a Muay Thai fight.
You put two Kung Fu masters in there, Wing Chun guys, it is the worst grappling match I've ever seen.
Because it starts like a Yip Man movie, and then they fucking on the floor, like what the...
I don't have white belts winning.
joe rogan
Guys are dropping for ankle locks.
matt serra
It's fucking horrendous.
din thomas
I've seen a few of those.
joe rogan
I've seen a few of those.
matt serra
But I feel the Westin boxing, Longo got me, obviously, I had to learn on the job.
It was different back in the day.
john rallo
Everybody had a specialty back then.
matt serra
When the UFC came out, everybody was like, oh, fuck all the striking.
So I was like, in my mentality, I'm like, all right, I got to just close the distance.
You can't trade.
And then I had to relearn, like, no, no, no.
Sometimes you got to be in the fire and you have to learn those mechanics and whatnot.
joe rogan
Well, that's the difference between guys who are pretty good and guys who become champions.
It's like this ability to absorb other skills and then implement them at a world-class level while you're an adult, which is crazy.
din thomas
It's not easy to do.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's very hard to do.
And most guys, they are always going to be a step behind the guys who started out as a child.
matt serra
Oh, 100%.
din thomas
It's just more natural to them.
Speaking of crack, Mark Dellegrati says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for.
joe rogan
I kick pretty hard.
din thomas
Yeah.
Not a lot of people might give you credit for that.
matt serra
Did he tell me that yesterday and then he said, Joe, give him a line.
Give him a call.
unidentified
You know, you're going on there by the way.
matt serra
He's got the best fucking kick.
No, we're kidding.
Mark Dellegrati on season four, we didn't have set coaches.
He was like an assistant coach and he gave above and beyond for everybody.
joe rogan
He's a great dude and a great coach too.
I love training with him.
He showed me all kinds of things that tightened up my technique.
All kinds of things.
All kinds of things just in transitions, like transitional techniques, like different things to do off of different kicks.
matt serra
He's still teaching and has a school, right?
din thomas
Yeah, he still has a school.
matt serra
What is it called?
din thomas
Sigitoms.
matt serra
That's what I was going to say.
joe rogan
I trained with that dude.
I tried to hurt him.
din thomas
You tried to hurt him?
joe rogan
I tried to hurt those arms.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to hurt those forearms.
You know?
matt serra
He was letting us hit the pads, take them down, hit on the floor.
Like, he earned his cash on fucking Ultimate Final Four.
joe rogan
He's a man.
He's a great coach.
And, you know, speaks Thai.
Fluently.
din thomas
Does he really?
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Fluently.
Fluently.
Speaks Thai.
matt serra
Oh, that's wild, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he can go to Thailand and just talk to people.
din thomas
No kidding?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've gone to Thai restaurants, and he just orders Thai.
din thomas
What?
john rallo
With a Boston accent?
unidentified
Yeah, he does.
din thomas
Yeah, with a Boston accent, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, you can tell it's Mac Dettegrat.
That's funny.
Yeah, he does.
He speaks Thai.
He fought in Thailand a bunch.
din thomas
Yeah, I knew that, but I didn't know he spoke Thai.
joe rogan
He's an interesting dude.
Very interesting dude.
matt serra
Are we breaking out the smelling salts?
joe rogan
Are you scared?
matt serra
I am scared.
john rallo
He's waiting.
unidentified
You should be.
din thomas
Hold on, so what do they do?
joe rogan
This is the strongest shit.
I know what they do.
I mean, maybe there's some stronger shit that I'm not aware of, but this is...
Jujumufu should give us a discount code.
Who?
It's called AH. This dude Juju Mufu, do you know who he is?
I've never heard of him.
Crazy power lifter athlete.
john rallo
Super athletic Juju Mufu.
joe rogan
Crazy athletic, but built like Bobby Lashley.
He can do full splits over tables while he's doing 500 pound overhead squats.
Bro, he's crazy flexible.
matt serra
And he wears a thong.
joe rogan
He's a nut.
He's a nut.
He's always doing nutty shit for the internet.
din thomas
So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I think you need some other things.
matt serra
I'm afraid of my stomach.
john rallo
You take the smelling salts before you lift that weight.
matt serra
I'm not going to smell this and have to shit myself.
joe rogan
You take the smelling salts before you go across the border with 15 pounds of steroids.
matt serra
Ah.
din thomas
So...
unidentified
You think it's going to hurt me?
matt serra
You have to use the bathroom?
joe rogan
No!
No, no, no, no.
So, again, this is a fresh one.
The fresh ones are the strongest.
john rallo
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
This is so strong that I'm going to open it.
It's a sealed bottle.
The bottle's sealed, and the bag is sealed, too.
God damn it, my hands are sweaty.
matt serra
It stinks already.
joe rogan
Just smell it.
It stinks already.
I haven't even opened the bag yet.
The bag is still sealed.
john rallo
The bag is still sealed.
joe rogan
So I'm going to open this and just...
Smell that?
Smell that?
Just get a whiff?
And it's sealed inside the bag.
matt serra
I get it.
joe rogan
It's sealed.
john rallo
Fully sealed.
joe rogan
Fully sealed.
You got it?
Right, right, right?
You're not even ready yet.
You don't even know what's happening now.
john rallo
This is ammonia.
joe rogan
This is where it goes on.
john rallo
It's bad.
matt serra
Let's go!
Let's go!
Ready?
joe rogan
Here we go.
matt serra
Oh, we're going this night, counterclockwise?
joe rogan
Take a big deep.
Deep breaths.
No, but a few inches from the nose and just go for it.
unidentified
Oh!
That's no Vicks Vaporub.
Oh, wow.
din thomas
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Rallo probably did it this morning before he woke up.
din thomas
Yo.
john rallo
Man, it's been many, many years.
matt serra
Wow.
joe rogan
Get in there, Rallo.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I think I have to take a shit.
din thomas
Yeah, that'll cure snoring, for sure.
matt serra
Yeah, I'm sweating.
john rallo
Dude, what movie is this from?
Blade!
The opening scene of Blade!
joe rogan
Best opening scene of any superhero movie of all time!
matt serra
Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine?
joe rogan
No.
But I can't fuck with this!
I cannot fuck with the opening scene in Blade.
When they all turned into vampires and he thought he was gonna fuck Tracy Lords.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So he's down there hanging out with Tracy Lords, and he doesn't know she's a vampire, and she leads him down in this basement where he sees bodies hanging from meat hooks.
He's like, what the fuck is this place?
And then the sprinkler starts spraying blood, and everybody turns into a vampire around him.
And he's freaking out, and he's trying to get out of there, and she's like, hey baby.
matt serra
This is a great movie.
joe rogan
And he gets his ass kicked, and they're all beating him up, and they're about to kill him.
unidentified
And Wesley Snipes shows up.
joe rogan
So is Wesley Snipes back as Blade?
They're going to have him back as Blade now, right?
john rallo
You haven't seen Wolverine?
Thank God!
joe rogan
They should have brought him back as Blade right when he got out of prison.
din thomas
You didn't like sticky fingers?
joe rogan
Here it is.
Here it is.
This is the scene.
matt serra
Like, oh shit, it's the Daywalker.
joe rogan
They're like, oh no.
Come on, bro.
What's the greatest scene?
The greatest scene in any martial arts slash superhero movie ever, and then he fucks everybody up, of course.
matt serra
That was great.
din thomas
So what do people do the smelling salts for?
joe rogan
They do it before they lift.
john rallo
Yeah, powerlifters do it before they take a big lift a lot of times.
din thomas
Oh, just like one before a big lift?
john rallo
Yeah, guys would have this shit in their gym bags, and they bring it with them, and when they're ready to go for something crazy...
joe rogan
They want to do some big deadlifts.
matt serra
Right?
unidentified
That's it.
matt serra
It's gotta be good for your sinuses.
din thomas
Yeah, I was about to say.
joe rogan
I think it's good for America.
matt serra
I think it's good for everything.
joe rogan
I think it's good for everything.
We have them at the studio or at the comedy club.
Dudes take smell and smells before they go on stage.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's fun.
Pass it around the room.
And everyone's like, let me try, let me try.
matt serra
I'd do that before I attack my wife.
joe rogan
The stuff we have at the comedy club though is not this strong.
This is the strongest one.
This one fucks you up.
The other ones you can kind of get in there a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like it.
You get too close with that one and it'll burn the inside of your head.
matt serra
I like it.
din thomas
I felt that.
I felt it in my brain.
joe rogan
You want everybody to go round two?
matt serra
Do it, man.
din thomas
I went round two.
joe rogan
I feel like that's what happens.
din thomas
You want to go round three?
joe rogan
That's what happens with everybody.
Everybody, they get it and they're like, wow, that was terrible.
That was terrible.
din thomas
Let me do it again.
john rallo
You do threes with the Uzzins?
Yeah, I do threes.
joe rogan
You know why?
matt serra
You make me feel like a crackhead.
He got me into the sixes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I backed off.
Because I was realizing, I think I like these things too much.
john rallo
Especially gets the body to hit a little adrenaline.
din thomas
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That does.
Yeah, we're talking about the nicotines doesn't.
john rallo
Oh, no, no.
joe rogan
I like the nicotines, though.
I like them when I'm having conversations.
matt serra
What do you do to me now?
joe rogan
They're good.
I don't think it's bad.
I just think you got to be careful.
Like, I like to take days off, see if it's freaking me out.
So far, no problems.
matt serra
I'm having fun.
It's the trifecta now.
din thomas
I told y'all, whatever y'all do today, I'm doing.
joe rogan
One more time!
matt serra
Yeah, I'm good.
joe rogan
Oh, this is dying out.
john rallo
Yeah, if you keep the lid off.
joe rogan
It's dying out already.
john rallo
In between uses, keep it.
joe rogan
But I think it's, you know, it's probably...
john rallo
Jesus.
joe rogan
How consistent are they with this match?
john rallo
Make sure your eyes water.
matt serra
Dean, you're doing everything today, Dean.
din thomas
I was just about to say, I'm about to cry.
I'm about to pull a Khalil Rountree on y'all.
john rallo
I'm feeling emotional.
joe rogan
Khalil's going to be mad at you.
I'm feeling emotional right now.
I love Khalil Rountree.
din thomas
No, no, no.
Khalil, I'm sorry.
I just want to tell you, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
But that is going to be a wild fight.
I'll tell you what.
unidentified
Oh, shit, yeah.
joe rogan
That's going to be a wild fight.
john rallo
It's going to be fan-friendly for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, Khalil has probably never shot a takedown in his entire career.
din thomas
I think Khalil can win, too.
No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody.
joe rogan
He can knock you out.
john rallo
Alex gets hit.
You know, I mean, it's a fact.
joe rogan
Well, he puts himself...
He's got that crazy style, man.
That style, that snake-like style that he has.
din thomas
And the hands down.
Yeah, he holds his hands right here and just like, bop, bop.
joe rogan
You've seen him sparring, right?
You've seen some of those videos of him sparring, like, really good boxers, man.
din thomas
He's staying in the pocket with them, too.
joe rogan
And that style is hard to handle because it's so weird.
They're used to everything.
Like, that one boxer that he was training with, he's like, I don't know if he's professional, but he's a big heavyweight, very skillful, but everything was, like, real traditional.
And then you see Pereira's moving at you like a cobra.
Like, it's so hard to figure out what the fuck he's doing.
And you're lucky he's not kicking you.
You know, he's just punching this dude.
din thomas
Hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands...
joe rogan
If he lands, everybody goes night-night.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Everybody goes night-night.
That guy's fast as fuck.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
And he fights angry.
john rallo
How old is Pereira?
joe rogan
They're both about the same age, I believe.
matt serra
34, maybe?
joe rogan
How old is Khalil?
I think Pereira's 35, and I think Khalil is probably in that same range.
Alex is 37. Alex is 37?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How old's Khalil?
din thomas
Wow.
I had no idea he was that old.
john rallo
And fighting well.
joe rogan
It's 37 Amazon warrior years.
And he don't have a lot of damage.
din thomas
I'm 36 on mine.
john rallo
Khalil's 34. Speaking of superheroes.
joe rogan
He has some damage though.
Some kickboxing fights.
He got stopped.
din thomas
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
And, you know, the one with the bad one with Izzy.
That was a bad one.
That was a bad KO. And that's a weight-drained KO. You know?
john rallo
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
KO at 85. I mean, just Izzy caught him with that perfect right hand.
john rallo
Well, I asked, too, because when guys that fight, like Roy Jones, amazing, but an amazing athlete, he was so much faster than everybody fought with.
He could keep his hands down and still never get hit.
But...
When he started to slow down, everybody knocked him out.
That's why I asked how old Pereira was, because I'm like, maybe when he slows a bit and the hands are down, that's when the button starts to get pushed.
joe rogan
I think, this is my opinion, with Roy, what happened was he went up and he fought John Ruiz.
And then he went down and he fought Tarp.
I don't think he was the same after that.
And I don't know, but I would imagine if you want to get really big, there's not a lot of ways to get really big.
How do you go from 168 to 200 pounds?
How do you do that?
Well, you lift some weights.
Get a little help.
You got some friends.
So then you have to get off of that, and then you have to drop 25 pounds from your body.
So your body's fully acclimated to this new frame.
That's a hard cut.
And if you look at the way he looked pre-Tarver fight, like if you go back and watch him fight like James Toney when he was in his prime, you watch him fight like some of the better fights of his career, like the Vinnie Pazienza fight where he didn't get hit with one punch.
john rallo
He was so nasty.
joe rogan
But he was also shredded.
He was shredded.
And he looked like hard.
din thomas
He had the most defined bicep.
unidentified
His left bicep is twice as big as his right.
joe rogan
But when you see him after the Tarva fight, he looks way more smooth.
I think that cut was hard, man.
I think that cut was hard.
And then he probably got off whatever he got on.
john rallo
Yeah, for sure.
And then your system's not working right.
joe rogan
And if you don't have a good doctor, and you're just trying to do this with gym bros...
matt serra
Next thing you know, you're in those shitty Matrix sequels.
john rallo
Didn't have any HCG and all of a sudden...
joe rogan
Remember the Glenn Johnson one?
You know the Glenn Johnson one?
din thomas
Man, I felt bad for him after that.
That was a bad one.
joe rogan
That was a bad one.
And that was off the Tarver fight, right?
And so you see, like, all of a sudden this dude just can't take a shot anymore.
And Glenn Johnson, who was one of those unheralded, dangerous dudes that could really kind of beat anybody.
That crazy clamshell style.
din thomas
Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Kawzagi didn't knock him out, right?
din thomas
He shut him out, though.
joe rogan
Kawzagi would just throw volume at him.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
He Roy Jones'd Roy Jones.
He was in his face like...
joe rogan
Different Roy Jones, though.
john rallo
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
If you fought the Roy Jones that James Toney had to fight, then it's a different thing.
john rallo
One of the purest power punchers was Julian Jackson.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
din thomas
Yes, the Hulk?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
din thomas
You know, Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him.
joe rogan
Really?
din thomas
Yeah, they're like really good friends.
john rallo
That guy was a savage.
din thomas
That guy had power, power.
joe rogan
Play that.
Play the Terry Norris fight.
Julian Jackson, Terry Norris.
jamie vernon
Plus to Danny Green in Australia.
din thomas
Yeah, Danny Green.
Danny Green, yeah.
matt serra
Yo, dude, I'm going to use the head real quick.
joe rogan
Go ahead, go, go.
You know what to say.
matt serra
You know my ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Terry Norris and...
joe rogan
Julian Jackson and Terry Norris.
john rallo
Dude, you just do Julian Jackson highlights.
joe rogan
This one's terrifying.
This one's terrifying.
john rallo
Well, Terry Norris, that poor guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in real rough shape now.
din thomas
I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Short punches, too.
john rallo
That was tough.
I used to love him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
john rallo
Orlin Norris, he's good, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
His brother was a heavyweight, and he was 47. I remember.
47 and 54, right?
But watch this Julian Jackson KO. It's so crazy because it's like he just shuts him off.
john rallo
And Terry Norris was a killer.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a prime Terry Norris.
This is a prime Terry Norris.
This is a dangerous Terry Norris here.
But he just catches him.
Watch this.
Bink!
Okay, so that was the first one.
So you heard him with that left hand, but he catches him with the right hand and just freezes him.
Oh my god.
din thomas
I'm gonna get my haircut like his.
joe rogan
Just a pure one-punch fighter.
john rallo
Yeah, this guy was.
joe rogan
Some guys just like to hit him.
din thomas
Just say, look at him stalking.
john rallo
He's waiting to hit you with it.
din thomas
I would be terrified if that guy was stalking me like that.
joe rogan
It's just he knows.
All he has to do is get you once.
And every time he hits you, you know it too, because you're like, oh shit, this is fucking terrifying.
So he's already softened him up and there it is.
unidentified
He took two more.
joe rogan
He was out on his feet, bro, and those were wind-up ones.
The last two he took were wind-up ones.
Julian Jackson was terrifying.
john rallo
How short those punches are.
Gerald McClellan had his number.
I felt so bad for him because he got slept so fast in those fights.
joe rogan
No, Gerald McClellan was a 75-pounder.
john rallo
Oh, they fought twice.
joe rogan
Gerald McClellan fought Terry Norris?
john rallo
Julian Jackson.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
But that's when Julian went up, right?
john rallo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So was Julian a middleweight at this time?
john rallo
I believe so.
joe rogan
Because the crazy thing is, like, I didn't know that Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson were at the same weight class.
john rallo
Yeah, they wound up fighting twice.
I was at one of the fights.
joe rogan
McClellan, though, was like 175, though, right?
unidentified
At the MGM. McClellan was so dangerous, man.
john rallo
My first live boxing card I ever went to was in Vegas at the MGM, and it was all rematches.
It was Jesse James Leha and Azuma Nelson.
din thomas
Yeah.
john rallo
It was, I think it was Simon Brown and Vincent Petway.
It was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan, and it was Julio Cesar Chavez and Frankie Randall.
joe rogan
God, what weight is this at?
What weight is this at?
Because I know they were trying to set up...
john rallo
Middleweight?
joe rogan
Crazy.
So that's before...
Well, they were talking about a Roy Jones Jr. fight.
And I think he was really struggling.
din thomas
Was that a low blow?
john rallo
Big time.
Yeah, because Gerald McClellan...
joe rogan
He was really struggling to make weight.
john rallo
Gerald took his belt, and then they rematched, and he slept in first round, maybe.
joe rogan
And so the Nigel Benn fight, that was middleweight as well.
john rallo
Nigel Benn, man, he...
joe rogan
That was the one that ended his career.
john rallo
Joe McClellan.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, in my opinion, there was a lot of rabbit punching and he wound up having a blood clot in the back of his head after that fight.
joe rogan
Well, there was also a nasty headbutt in that fight, too.
But it's also Nigel Benn came back from that first round.
Oh, look at that KO. Oh, my goodness.
john rallo
In the rematch, he sleeps him fast.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
din thomas
What is going on with his hair?
john rallo
That's what they did back then.
What is that?
joe rogan
Kitten play.
john rallo
High top fade?
unidentified
Yeah, but I mean, it's like that and the little sides.
din thomas
You need them cut.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Gerald McClellan just coming after you for the kill.
Terrifying.
That's it.
Are they going to let him count?
john rallo
He just had his number, man.
Beat him both times.
joe rogan
Well, he was one of the scariest punchers of all time.
john rallo
Yeah, both of them.
joe rogan
But he's another guy who tried to empty the gas tank with Nigel Ben in that first round, and Ben survived, and then he winds up having that brain bleed.
That's one of the scariest ones ever, man.
Is this the rematch?
Okay, let's watch this execution.
I remember this.
john rallo
I was at this one.
din thomas
This was in Vegas?
john rallo
Yeah.
joe rogan
MGM. Well, once Gerald McClellan knew that he could put it on you, it's like his power was just so nuts for that weight class.
But I always wanted to know, like, what does he really weigh?
He's like one of those Benavidez guys.
Like, when you get in there, what do you really weigh?
Because he really struggled with the weight cut.
And that's one...
Oh, my God.
din thomas
Right away.
unidentified
Oh, man.
Right away.
john rallo
That's what I say.
He gets him early in this one.
joe rogan
Just teeing off, dude.
Teeing off.
That shot to the body.
My goodness.
din thomas
He can't even look up.
john rallo
He's not even giving him his chance to get off.
joe rogan
Just getting executed.
Every shot's got murder on it.
Oh, that left of the body.
Oh my goodness.
The power in these fucking punches, man.
din thomas
Just overwhelming.
john rallo
Liver shot.
joe rogan
They're giving him a standing eight.
Isn't that crazy?
Standing eight count is kind of nuts.
john rallo
It's the dumbest rule ever.
joe rogan
It's kind of nuts.
You're concussed.
john rallo
Let me give you eight seconds to clear your head and get concussed.
joe rogan
MMA is the way to do it.
It really is.
din thomas
Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts?
Yeah, back in the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
What do you think about red cards?
Or yellow cards?
din thomas
I think they should bring them back.
joe rogan
What would you bring them back for?
Stalling?
din thomas
Stalling.
Yeah, that's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling.
Like hanging out too long.
Like, hey man, get to work.
matt serra
I used to think when there was a submission in the Pride, and the referee would be like, what would he say?
Shut up!
din thomas
What would he say?
Catch!
joe rogan
Yeah, when someone caught something.
john rallo
What do you guys think of Ortega and Lopez?
matt serra
Crazy.
That's a good fight.
din thomas
I think Lopez is going to get them.
john rallo
I'm on that side.
joe rogan
Lopez went through a rollercoaster ride in his last fight.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
Imagine that.
You've got three different opponents.
You've got three different weight classes.
Everything's changing.
Well, you've got two different opponents, but a bunch of different weight classes.
And then Ortega can't make it.
And so Ortega steps out, and then he winds up fighting Dan Ige, 50K Ige, on like 40 minutes notice.
Daniel's just chilling in his house.
He might have trained that day.
john rallo
Something I didn't know about that, but I was watching, DC was actually talking about this.
And he said that Ige had been training for five or six weeks.
Obviously, he took the fight on like a two-hour call.
They said Lopez had only been training for three weeks.
Yeah, because he actually had shorter notice.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
din thomas
Because it was short notice for him, too.
john rallo
Because he got tired in the fight, and everybody's thinking he's got a bad gas tank.
joe rogan
Well, he had to cut weight, too, though.
john rallo
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He cut weight to 45. Yeah, so he had three weeks of training, weight up and down everywhere.
joe rogan
And they fought at 60, right?
john rallo
And he was able to pull it out.
joe rogan
Didn't they fight at 60?
din thomas
Yeah, because it It was same day weighing.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
Which is really like, no one should be cutting weight, kids.
din thomas
Right, like at this point, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.
joe rogan
I think what they really should do, they really should do, is just find out what you fucking actually weigh and just stop this nonsense.
It should be looked at the same way steroids are looked at.
It should be looked at the same way all other kind of cheating is looked at.
It's sanctioned cheating.
You're not really 155 pounds.
din thomas
I agree with you.
Just whatever you weigh, just Exactly.
joe rogan
And more options for weight classes.
john rallo
Do you think same-day weigh-ins would change it?
joe rogan
But it would get more guys hurt.
john rallo
I mean, they say that because of the dehydration and stuff.
joe rogan
This is the reason why McClellan...
One of the things they say about head injuries and death in boxing, the vast majority of them don't take place at heavyweight.
So the guys who hit the hardest are not the guys who are getting these horrible brain injuries where they get dead inside the ring.
john rallo
Makes sense, because they're not cutting weight.
joe rogan
They're not cutting weight.
And the guys who die a lot, like the Duck Koo Kims.
If you look at the guys who die, a lot of them are cutting.
john rallo
Boom Boom was never the same after that.
joe rogan
How could you be?
You killed a guy.
A lot of those guys that are dying are dying in the weight classes where they cut a lot of weight.
din thomas
Well, I mean, you're right.
So like Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.
joe rogan
There ain't no way Sean Brady's 174. That's what I'm saying.
din thomas
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Just let them fight at 190, right?
joe rogan
These guys are 190 pounders.
They walk into the cage at 190. They should just be fighting at 190. They should be fighting at 190, and this way they both agree to it.
You can't get any heavier than 194. Whatever.
But we know what you weigh.
Let's just make a fight.
Yeah, fuck all this weight cutting.
It's just cheating.
And also, the fucking drama of seeing if a guy dehydrated himself enough 24 hours before a cage fight is somehow or another interesting to people where Daniel Cormier is pushing down on that towel.
Remember that shit?
din thomas
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember DC? Uh-huh.
john rallo
That's right.
And ain't cheating if you don't get caught.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier were both fucking killers.
Let them eat.
din thomas
Yeah, let them eat.
joe rogan
Let them hydrate themselves.
Fuck all this weighing in.
You know what you weigh?
Figure out what you weigh when you make the contract.
din thomas
Yeah, and then just leave it alone.
joe rogan
That's what it is, for sure.
That's your way, and be loose about it.
If a guy's a pound over, a pound under, who gives a fuck?
But don't dehydrate yourself.
din thomas
But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?
john rallo
Oh, right, right, right.
din thomas
He got fucked on his situation.
Well, I mean, he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo, so he went up to 170, and then like...
A couple days, like a week before, they're like, no, you got to go back down to 135. Cabo Cholo's out.
And he's the champion, and they treated him like this.
And they're like, you got to go back down and cut 30 pounds.
He gets sick cutting 30 pounds.
joe rogan
Well, he almost died.
din thomas
They almost died.
And then they took his belt.
unidentified
That's fucked up.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, they took his belt?
john rallo
Yes, they took his belt for missing weight.
din thomas
For missing weight.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, really?
din thomas
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
One totally fucked him.
joe rogan
I didn't hear that.
din thomas
Yes, they took his belt.
john rallo
I saw an article about it.
joe rogan
How can you take his belt when he's in the hospital for trying to do you a favor?
din thomas
Exactly.
Yes, my point exactly.
john rallo
I was shocked, because that's really not what they're supposed to be about.
joe rogan
How are you going to make this fucking guy fight after he had a statement?
After he's cutting 30 pounds.
How are you making him do that?
He's cutting 30 pounds in three days.
What's their statement?
One speaks out.
Okay, what do they say?
After recent events, we feel it is necessary to provide additional context on Mikey Musumechi's withdrawal from the 168 Denver card.
Sityotong and Musumechi said of Musumechi.
Mikey was obviously put in a difficult spot when Cade Rotolo withdrew due to injury.
When that happened, We worked closely with him and his team on a new opponent.
Competing at flyweight was something that he personally requested as he felt confident that he could make the hydrated limit of 135 pounds for a world title defense.
This is not something we pushed to him to do on short notice or would have ever demanded of a one athlete given how much we prioritize fighter safety.
After Mikey failed weight and hydration tests on Thursday, he requested an opponent submission grappling contest against Burberto Oliveira, and we continue to work with him to try to keep him on the card.
Sidiol Tong continued on Musumechi.
He ultimately felt it was his best interest to withdraw from the contest, and we are honoring that.
This writing is uncertain when Musumechi will return to one, or who will compete for the now vacant belt.
Musumechi was diagnosed with pneumo...
Pneumostinum?
Pneumostinum.
Pneumostinum.
Pneumomedia Stenum.
A rare condition which air leaks from a part of the lung.
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How do you fucking strip a guy when he winds up in the hospital?
Like, he didn't fight.
din thomas
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
Like, imagine if Alex is fighting Khalil Roundtree and in making weight, he winds up in the hospital and the fight's canceled.
He doesn't lose his belt.
din thomas
Well, in this organization, it does.
That's crazy.
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
It's nonsense.
It's terrible.
matt serra
They're always gonna fucking do it, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what, man?
I think it's a part of the culture that can be eradicated.
I don't think it's impossible to eradicate it.
That's like saying, oh, they can always do steroids.
Well, USADA came along and they fixed that.
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and now drug-free sport.
They fixed it.
It's like most of these athletes are pretty clean.
There might be a few instances of questionable behavior.
unidentified
Perhaps a trip to a foreign land is difficult to get to.
din thomas
But you're right, for the most part it is.
joe rogan
For the most part.
din thomas
Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up.
joe rogan
The Uber Eam era was the best era.
It was an IQ test.
john rallo
I was just looking at pictures of him today versus Uber Eam and it's pretty crazy because he's lost a ton of weight.
joe rogan
Oh, how he looks now?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Now he's on a vegan diet and he's all spiritual.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Alistair's real thin now.
john rallo
What is he?
He's maybe, what, 200 pounds?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's thinner than he was when he was fighting.
That's a weird picture.
It's hard to tell from that picture.
jamie vernon
That's the best one I could find.
He looked bigger than the other ones.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, he's still a big fucking guy.
john rallo
They have, like, side-by-sides of him then and now.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell in that picture.
He's always going to be a big guy.
You know, he's a massive man.
But, you know, when he fought Brock Lesnar, he was just a freak of science.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was the freakiest of all freaks.
If you just let that dude juice it up like that, that guy back in the day, ooh, he was the most dangerous.
Because those kickboxing skills were top notch.
din thomas
Or how about Vitor when he was on?
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
Baby.
john rallo
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Baby.
john rallo
Traps up to his ears.
din thomas
I know.
He had them turtle shells, boy.
joe rogan
I feel like USADA robbed us of the real Uber-eam.
Like if Uber-eam could have stayed Uber.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Could have stayed Uber and just continued at 265. Ooh, baby, baby, baby.
din thomas
He'd still be champ.
He might be, man.
joe rogan
Bro, them kickboxing skills.
His kickboxing skills were super legit.
I think I was a K-1 Grand Prix champion.
Super legit kickboxing skills.
din thomas
And he wasn't a bad grappler, neither.
He had a good guillotine.
joe rogan
He was a good grappler.
He won the Abu Dhabi trials in Europe.
Yeah.
No, he's legit.
And, man, that fucking kickboxing, though.
It's funny how you look back on those days, especially the juicy days, and you wonder, like...
What would the world look like now if we were under the same sort of protocols they were under then?
If there was no real...
Forget about the TRT days, because everybody lost their fucking mind.
That was crazy.
You're allowing guys to juice up.
That was crazy.
But when there was just tests at the weigh-ins, that was a different thing, man.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a different thing, just testing at the weigh-ins.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
No randoms?
din thomas
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's for sure.
joe rogan
IVs are fine?
Oh, they are?
john rallo
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's the old days, man.
din thomas
That is true.
matt serra
It is rough to get hydrated back up, though.
john rallo
What was the explanation for that?
Masking.
People could use it to mask.
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently there's some ways that you can mask.
You just over flood your system with fluids and it cleans out all the traces of whatever metabolites would be in there.
I guess there's probably a window where it would get back in your urine.
matt serra
It's hard to get hydrated back up, man.
john rallo
Yeah, that was kind of my point, because it kind of takes away from safety, but I guess...
joe rogan
Bro, they shouldn't be doing that.
They shouldn't be dehydrating themselves 24 hours before a cage fight.
din thomas
Yeah, that's the point, right?
Like, if you have to have that...
john rallo
But they are.
joe rogan
I know, but it seems like, you know, I actually said this to the guys that bought the UFC when I was talking to Ari about it.
I was like, dude, that's the first thing you should do.
Figure out a way to get rid of the weight glasses.
As they are, like whoever is a champion in that, keep them as a champion.
Let them defend the belt at what they actually weigh.
Weight cuttings, the thing that's going to fuck us more than anything is if somebody gets really badly hurt because they had a really bad weight cut.
You know guys have kidney failures, guys have died.
din thomas
You lose all the water around your brain and you're taking trauma?
john rallo
How many weight limit, I mean weight classes, you think?
joe rogan
More weight classes.
You need a weight class, I think you need one every 10 pounds.
But I think we should be a little bit looser on what a person weighs.
I think you should make a contractual obligation to fight each other.
You find out what a person weighs.
His natural weight is 175. Do you want to fight him?
Your natural weight is 169. You're agreed that you can't get any higher than 176. Are you cool with that?
Yeah, okay.
din thomas
I'm cool with that.
joe rogan
That's like total, you don't have to think at all about cutting weight.
At all.
And so the day before the fight, instead of almost dying, you're filling yourself up with carbs and nutrients, you're relaxing, you're gonna have a better performance.
It's better for the sport, it's better for the health of the athletes, it's more representation of what a real 155 pound guy looks like, because you see those guys when they get in there and they're 180, like Drickus, That is not a 185 pound man.
He's fucking massive.
john rallo
Maybe they need to weigh in the day they're signing the contract to see where both of them are.
That way no shenanigans is going on either.
joe rogan
They need to hydrate you too.
Dudes will fuck around with that.
So if we have a hydration thing, like say, if you're going to compete, you need to be in shape in your fighting weight, and then we're going to weigh you in.
And we're going to check your water levels, we're going to check your hydration.
Okay, this is what you actually weigh.
You weigh 182 pounds in your prime, ready to go, okay?
So this is what you guys are contractually obligated to stay in this range.
So you can't get any higher than 183 or 184. You give them like a two pound, I have to take a shit.
matt serra
No one's going to be saying their real weight to begin with.
joe rogan
But they won't be able to stop them if they fucking hydrate test them.
So if they show up, you say to a guy, like, look, we're going to show up, we're going to test you at the weight that you're going to fight at.
So, you can't get any higher than this, and we're gonna make sure that you're not dehydrated.
So we're gonna check you to make sure that you're not fucking around, like, pretending that you're 182 pounds, you're really 200, and you dehydrated yourself for the last four hours.
Let's find out what you really weigh.
john rallo
What they do in Maryland for high school wrestling, before the season, the kids have to get the electric body composition, and it sees what they weigh, it sees where their body fat percentage is, and it says you can't go no lower than this.
So they basically dictate to them.
joe rogan
They should do a little bit more.
They should do blood.
They should do blood hydration levels.
They should check your urine.
john rallo
I think that would cost a lot for the UFC to do it.
joe rogan
I'm not saying schools.
What the school system is doing is great.
I mean, for the UFC. They just need to be sure.
Don't let anybody fuck around like, hey, you showed up at 196, you still want to take the fight?
Like, what the fuck?
It's 182. What are we doing?
Why is it 196?
din thomas
The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this.
No other organization would have the ability to do this.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
din thomas
That's the problem.
The UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Every year, this is what we do.
But no other regional-level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher.
john rallo
I heard, doesn't California do some kind, like Andy Foster, do some kind of hydration testing there for athletes?
joe rogan
I think he has a limit on how much you can gain.
I think he has a percentage.
Yeah.
din thomas
North Carolina does that too.
They have a limit.
joe rogan
But then you're just making sure the guy's dehydrated because guys are knuckleheads.
They're going to dehydrate themselves anyway to have that size advantage.
Especially a guy like McClellan who thinks he's going to take you out in the first round anyway.
And they're size bullies.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
You should find out what you fucking really weigh and fight what you really weigh at.
It shouldn't be the ultimate weight cutting championship.
john rallo
Better Better for your chin not to be dehydrated.
unidentified
Better for everything.
joe rogan
Better for the longevity, better for the health of your physical body that is literally your weapon of war.
john rallo
Performance, for sure.
joe rogan
Yes, for everything.
Recovery, performance, better fights.
john rallo
I like the PI. That's a good...
din thomas
Yeah.
The PI can do it.
joe rogan
Look, it can be done because if it wasn't and then all of a sudden people started doing it, it would be something people would call out.
If nobody ever cut weight and then all of a sudden everybody started cutting weight, everybody would go, what the fuck is this shit?
You're not 170 pounds.
This is a lie!
How are you the 170-pound champion when you weigh 200 pounds?
That's crazy.
john rallo
My wife hates that.
That's her biggest peeve with MMA is weight cutting.
She's like, that's not even fair.
joe rogan
Well, it is fair because you're both doing it, but it's not right.
matt serra
It's stupid.
joe rogan
It's bad for everybody.
matt serra
155 was brutal for me to make.
joe rogan
But 165?
matt serra
That would have been great for me.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
matt serra
170, I was small for 170. So all you need is 10 pounds.
joe rogan
Every 10 pounds.
We go 170, goes to 175, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225. That's what I say.
And then it's super heavy.
And then as big as the fucking guy is.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Because I don't like this 265 bullshit either.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
joe rogan
When was the last time you weighed 265?
john rallo
I mean, actually right now.
joe rogan
But when you were, how big were you?
305. Damn!
So you'd have to lose a fuckload of weight.
You'd have to lose 40 fucking pounds.
That's crazy.
din thomas
Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's so hard to do.
When you've got a guy like Ngannou that has a natural 265, which is nuts, he falls right there, like right in the hot zone, like a natural shredded 265. But that's what he really weighs.
john rallo
That's his actual weight.
joe rogan
He's not cutting weight.
That's his actual weight.
matt serra
What's the weight?
Do they have the same shit in Bellator or PFL? I don't think they have a super heavyweight.
joe rogan
I don't think anybody has an active super heavyweight division in MMA that I'm aware of.
No big organization.
I don't think PFL has it.
john rallo
Japan, really, was the only place to put on the crazy freak shows.
matt serra
They were loving the steroids.
joe rogan
Let a 180-pound guy fight a gorilla.
Fuck!
They had Gabby Garcia fight housewives.
unidentified
Get in there, lady.
john rallo
Genki Sudo took on all kinds of giants.
matt serra
Didn't he take on Butterbean?
din thomas
Yeah, Genki Sudo fought Butterbean.
And beat him!
joe rogan
Yeah, he leg locked him.
Bro, Butterbean could crack.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that time we had a boxing match against some football player?
Somebody let some poor football player have a boxing match with Butterbean.
It might have been a celebrity boxing match, and Butterbean knocked him into another dimension.
matt serra
He's a tough man.
joe rogan
Bro, he could punch.
john rallo
What do they used to call him?
The king of the four-rounders?
Because he's so big, he ain't going to distance.
joe rogan
450 fucking pounds!
john rallo
He could barbecue all day.
So he could go out there and windmill people.
joe rogan
What a goddamn nightmare that guy was.
You couldn't hit anything on him.
john rallo
He was doing horribly for a while.
joe rogan
He's like, he had 150 sweaters on.
You're not going to hurt him.
matt serra
Like 150 sweaters.
And that other guy looks natural.
unidentified
I like that.
john rallo
This has got to be Japan.
matt serra
Who is that other guy?
joe rogan
Who is he fighting there, Jamie?
john rallo
He's like kicking this guy.
Royster?
joe rogan
Oh, so this is a kickboxing match, which is nuts.
matt serra
When I was at my heaviest, that kind of looked like that.
joe rogan
Is this a football player that he's fighting?
jamie vernon
I have no idea.
I just typed that in.
joe rogan
Oh, well, it might have been.
unidentified
It might be a football player who trained MMA. Marcus Royster.
joe rogan
Oh, nice knee to the body.
john rallo
He's big enough.
joe rogan
See if you can find there was a boxing match that he had against some football player dude.
john rallo
Dude, poor Butterbean.
That guy was...
Couldn't walk, couldn't anything.
matt serra
But now he's fucked up?
joe rogan
Oh, celebrity boxing, that's probably it.
john rallo
Yeah, he's messed up.
Diamond Dallas Page really did another rehab on him.
joe rogan
Another one of those things on him?
john rallo
He brought him back, man.
unidentified
Really?
john rallo
Shout out to DDP, he's such a positive guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dallas is the shit.
unidentified
Put him up in the house, feeding him all that, you know?
matt serra
He's feeding Butterbean?
joe rogan
He's such a good person.
john rallo
Dude, it's something to see.
He really brought him back.
Butterbean couldn't even walk.
matt serra
Butterbean vs.
Big Roy fighter.
joe rogan
That's the dude.
matt serra
I guess that's what we just watched.
john rallo
Big roid fighter.
unidentified
That's what it says.
joe rogan
This poor dude.
This poor dude got shot into another dimension.
din thomas
Oh, he looks like he's about to go out.
john rallo
He looks like he's getting shot into another dimension.
matt serra
Deserves it for that fucking stash.
joe rogan
This is one of them guys that, you know, somebody should have told them.
unidentified
Like, this is a bad idea.
joe rogan
Eventually this fucking crazy looking dude is going to catch you.
We're on one of these meat bombs.
john rallo
He's going to hit you right in your porn stash, right?
joe rogan
There's a thing about winning with a porn stash, you know, but you get KO'd with a porn stash on.
It's not a good look.
People, they don't feel sympathetic to you.
They should.
You stupid ass with that mustache.
See if you can find out where this ends.
matt serra
Yeah, Butterbean.
john rallo
Right.
Ooh.
Come on, this is a highlight.
This is a clickbait on us.
jamie vernon
There you go, end around three.
joe rogan
Oh, so does he stop him here?
matt serra
Maybe it's a different guy.
Is this the one that goes the distance?
joe rogan
This might be the wrong one.
The guy that I saw him...
Oh!
Oh!
Oh, there it is.
Oh, man.
john rallo
That was pretty good.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
He can punch, dude.
He can punch.
It was just crazy to watch a guy who was only willing to fight four rounds.
john rallo
King of the four-rounders.
It was awesome.
matt serra
He's used to that tough man shit, man.
joe rogan
I fought in that when I was 18. There's a place for everything, right?
Like the bare knuckle thing.
We were talking about Mike Perry before we started doing this.
That's the perfect spot for that dude.
He should have told Jake Paul, listen, we need to fight, but let's do bare knuckle, pussy.
Let's go.
john rallo
Or I'll do this, you do that.
joe rogan
It's a different thing, man.
It's a different thing with that guy.
din thomas
Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.
john rallo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you know, you gotta take that payday.
I mean, what did he make out of that fight?
He probably made 10 million bucks or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
And Jay Paul's very smart, man.
Like, he gets guys that he's bigger than.
john rallo
Bigger than.
matt serra
The only time he fought another boxer his size was Tom Fury and he lost.
Tom Fury?
unidentified
Good fight.
din thomas
Tommy Fury.
joe rogan
Very good fight.
Very good fight.
You know, I think he's like any other young up-and-coming boxer.
It's just everybody dismisses him because he's a YouTuber.
din thomas
For sure.
It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid.
I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man.
I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man.
I was heartbroken.
joe rogan
Bro, he has power.
He has real power.
din thomas
And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing.
I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.
joe rogan
I really hope he doesn't knock Mike Tyson out.
din thomas
To me...
joe rogan
I'll just be real bummed out to see Mike get KO'd at 58 years old.
john rallo
At 60, basically.
din thomas
What other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, why are we letting this happen?
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
matt serra
Yeah, but he's made for it, man.
Like, he's made for it.
joe rogan
Mike is?
matt serra
Yeah, I mean, it's what he is.
john rallo
Listen, he's perfectly capable of knocking him out.
joe rogan
He is perfectly capable.
If he zigs when he should have zagged, if Mike can close the distance in a way that he doesn't expect, and Mike also has layers upon layers of attacks that are in his mind, he's forgotten more about boxing than Jake Paul has ever remembered.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
It's just how quickly can it happen, because how much gas is a guy like that going to have?
joe rogan
Also, how does he feel now?
He might have been excited when he said he wanted to do it, but how does he feel now?
You've got months and months and months of this.
john rallo
I just want to see something other than his mitts.
joe rogan
Does he dismiss?
Does he wish he didn't say yes to it?
How's his health?
How's his back?
How's his knees?
john rallo
He seems to be having fun when he's promoting it.
unidentified
It's probably on mushrooms, bro.
matt serra
And it's also risk-versus-reward.
Like, if he loses, he's also almost 60. If he wins, fuck, man.
That's another great...
john rallo
Imagine he knocks him out.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
Look, at the end of the day, Mike Tyson's a monster.
And if he can get that monster to just move in and close the distance, and if he uncorks a boom-boom on Jake Paul and watch Jake Paul go into Queer Street, that will be wild.
To watch a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, that would be best-case scenario for the world.
din thomas
I agree.
matt serra
For sure.
joe rogan
Worst case scenario is someone gets hurt.
din thomas
Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out.
joe rogan
Yeah, best case scenario is Jake Paul realizes immediately he's in there with Mike Tyson.
That Mike Tyson, at least for a round or two...
john rallo
First time he gets cracked, I guarantee his head's gonna be like, oh shit.
joe rogan
It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.
matt serra
How many rounds is it?
joe rogan
I think it's eight.
Eight two-minute rounds.
john rallo
That are two minutes?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're doing two-minute rounds.
Do they have 10-ounce gloves or 12-ounce gloves, Jamie?
matt serra
It's not better than two-minute rounds.
joe rogan
I think they're making them have slightly bigger gloves.
14 ounces.
That's so sparring gloves.
din thomas
And it's not sanctioned, right?
It can't be sanctioned.
joe rogan
It's sanctioned.
unidentified
It's sanctioned?
din thomas
How do you sanction that?
jamie vernon
Texas.
joe rogan
Yeehaw.
Same place you can own a giraffe.
My wife was driving home one day, she saw a zebra.
john rallo
Same place has more tiders than anybody.
joe rogan
She goes, there's a zebra loose.
I go, welcome to Texas, baby.
din thomas
A zebra?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can have a zebra here.
Some dude's zebra got out.
john rallo
They got a few tigers here, right?
matt serra
You can't smoke a joint.
joe rogan
There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than in all of the wild of Earth.
How is that true?
Yes, that's true.
matt serra
You only hear about tigers getting loose in people's yards here, do you?
joe rogan
Because they fence them in, bro.
din thomas
That's it?
So how big are these tigers?
joe rogan
They're tiger tigers.
Real tigers.
There's thousands of tigers in private collections in Texas.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Bro, this is a crazy place.
It's a crazy place.
matt serra
It's so tight with the weed.
joe rogan
Yeah, they gotta bail on that.
They're also tight with fentanyl tests, which is even crazier.
Escape tiger that had Texas communities on edge finally caught.
Oh yeah, that was around Houston.
Bengal tiger was on loose for nearly a week.
john rallo
What was it eating?
joe rogan
That's Houston.
See, you got all that oil money down there in Houston, and that's where dudes have their own tigers.
matt serra
That's what I like about New York.
You just got to worry about some raccoons and shit.
joe rogan
There's a guy in New York that had a fucking tiger in his house in Harlem.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a photograph, a famous photograph of these cops.
See if you find that photo, Jamie.
The cops are looking through the...
Right there.
Looking through the window.
This guy had a tiger in his fucking apartment.
din thomas
Oh my God.
matt serra
Look at that.
joe rogan
Bro, how insane is that photo?
john rallo
Was the guy in there or was he eating?
joe rogan
I don't think the guy got killed.
I think they just found out the guy had a tiger in there and they had to go in and dart him.
And then they had to drag him out of there and take him to the zoo.
Yeah, the dude had a 450 pound cat in his fucking apartment.
din thomas
How do you clean up after that?
joe rogan
Not well.
matt serra
Get a big litter box.
joe rogan
First of all, that thing's going to piss everywhere.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
They marked their territory by pissing on things.
din thomas
Think of the smell that would happen.
john rallo
I can't even.
joe rogan
That guy was just tigered out.
He was all in.
john rallo
Regular cat urine's bad enough.
joe rogan
I know.
john rallo
Imagine a tiger.
joe rogan
Tiger's just pissing on your walls.
unidentified
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
Tell it don't do that?
din thomas
Stop that!
joe rogan
You going to hit it with a fucking newspaper?
john rallo
I'm going to eat your arm.
matt serra
What happened to the Tiger King?
Is he in jail still that day?
joe rogan
Yep, still in jail.
I had the people who did the documentary on yesterday.
matt serra
That thing was crazy, though, with that kid killing himself by accident.
joe rogan
Crazy.
matt serra
First of all, you don't find more white trash than that.
joe rogan
You need to watch Chimp Crazy.
Chimp Crazy, they take it to the next level.
matt serra
Oh yeah, I'm not watching that.
din thomas
I am going to watch that.
joe rogan
Bro, it's nuts.
It's nuts.
It's fucking nutty, man.
matt serra
Whew.
joe rogan
The people's desire to have these things that could kill them.
It's so strange.
matt serra
I'll just watch the new Planet of the Apes movie.
That came out.
joe rogan
Is that supposed to be good?
matt serra
Those aren't bad, though.
From what I've seen, those aren't bad.
joe rogan
How's that alien movie?
Did you see that?
matt serra
The new one?
No.
joe rogan
I heard it's good.
matt serra
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard it's real good.
I heard it's scary as fuck.
I heard it goes back to the first Alien, where they're hard to find and scary.
After a while, they were everywhere, and you just shoot them.
The first one, you couldn't even find that fucker.
He was sneaking around.
john rallo
Acid blood.
matt serra
Yeah, he was so scary.
Aliens was phenomenal.
Aliens was such a great sequel to Alien, because it was a different take on it, and then the Space Marines, and fucking Newt, and fucking Hicks.
Hicks was great.
Hudson!
Was it good?
Hudson was fucking great.
Bill Paxson?
john rallo
Hell yeah.
matt serra
Game over, man!
john rallo
Game over!
joe rogan
But it was a totally different kind of movie, right?
So you got Ridley Scott does the first Alien, and you got this suspenseful, terrifying thing, and people start coming up missing, and it's fucking hiding in the ceiling.
matt serra
You're thinking Tom Everett's going to be the hero.
Right.
And then all of a sudden he gets taken out.
You're like, wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
What?
matt serra
Oh, it's going to be Sigourney.
joe rogan
She was the first male or female lead of a monster movie, action movie, where you didn't go, oh, they're pushing a woman on me.
You believed it.
You believed that this lady scientist got stuck in this fucking spaceship with a demon.
matt serra
Oh, this is great.
joe rogan
Oh, that movie's so good.
Aliens is so good.
Aliens is good, but Alien is better.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because it's hard to kill.
And Aliens, they're shooting them left and right.
They're all over the place.
The people in Aliens, Alien 1 would have been done in five minutes.
Like, oh, there it is.
But in this one, they kill so many of them until they get to the mother.
And then when the mother doesn't kill her when she's wearing the robot suit, I'm like, shut the fuck up, bitch.
matt serra
But I like when she's like, get away from her, you bitch!
john rallo
In the first one, you really didn't know what was going on.
In the second one, they were prepared for what they were coming up against.
unidentified
The thing is, there's too much exposed.
joe rogan
I don't buy it.
If she's in a robot thing where she's completely encased, okay.
unidentified
But she's just all out there, tissue, exposed.
joe rogan
Get away from her, you bitch.
This is a giant alien.
How is that thing not gonna...
It moves way quicker than people.
How's that not gonna fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid-ass slow robot?
matt serra
There's so many moments in that, though, that movie, when they barricade themselves in the one room, and they have the monitor, and they're like, they're through the wall!
That's inside the room.
It can't be inside the room.
All of a sudden they look up and you see Hicks.
He pushes up the tile and you see them all crawling in the fire.
That was fucking money!
What a great movie.
joe rogan
It's a great movie.
It's just a different kind of movie.
john rallo
I was hoping they would have got more into the engineers, like when they did Prometheus, that they would have got into those people, but it wasn't much of the movie.
joe rogan
Prometheus was good, but the one after Prometheus was better.
What was that one, Jamie?
What was the last one?
matt serra
With Kenny McBride in it, right?
joe rogan
Yes!
matt serra
Because it ended fucked up.
joe rogan
Covenant, yeah.
Hey, wasn't Jussie Smoulette in that one, too?
He was.
He was in that one.
This is a good one, though, man.
This one's good.
john rallo
Please tell me he died early.
joe rogan
No, man, he's in there.
He's in the spaceship.
He's working the controls.
unidentified
This is a real good one.
joe rogan
This one's fucking good.
This one's really good.
And again, the aliens in this one, they're hard to get a hold of.
din thomas
Is that Michael Fassbender?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
So these are the things that it gets in your ear.
Little spores get inside you from that egg.
It's a good one, man.
This is a really good one.
And when these dudes start shaking, when it gets them...
It's fucking great.
That's a good one.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I heard the new one is really good, too.
I think the new one's Ridley Scott, too, as well, right?
matt serra
And he's doing a new...
Is he doing the new Gladiator?
Ridley Scott?
joe rogan
Did he do the new Gladiator?
I don't know.
john rallo
I mean, I know...
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
I can't wait for that shit.
john rallo
I know it's coming out.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
matt serra
I'm on the fence with that.
unidentified
What?
din thomas
The new Gladiator?
matt serra
What?
I'm on the fence with it.
joe rogan
Why?
matt serra
I don't know, man.
How could you be on the fence with it?
I don't know.
I mean, what do you call it?
Looks like he's like, I don't know.
Is he talking like New York slang?
Denzel and the fucking thing?
din thomas
No, man.
joe rogan
Oh, did people said something about his accent, right?
What is the accent that people have an issue with?
matt serra
That's what I think.
joe rogan
Can we hear Denzel?
Let's hear his accent.
unidentified
Where were you born?
I don't know.
I never knew a mother nor a father.
You will be my instrument.
Who are you?
matt serra
Denzel, be it!
joe rogan
You sound like a regular dude.
They want him to have a British accent?
They always want people, when they're speaking another language, they always want them to have a British accent.
din thomas
It doesn't matter where it is.
It's Rome!
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
Everyone talks in a different way.
Yeah, it's weird.
It is kind of weird.
din thomas
This is in India.
I mean, you know what I'm saying?
No matter where it is.
They want them to have a British accent.
joe rogan
This is in Rome.
This is in Italy.
Why do they talk like this?
But there's something about hearing regular modern English in an old-timey movie, like, nah.
din thomas
Like, you don't buy it now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need an accent.
Like Tyrion Lannister.
All the people in Game of Thrones, they all had an English accent.
jamie vernon
Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't think they spoke Latin.
I don't think these people were speaking Latin.
Were they?
john rallo
In Rome?
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
They may have been.
joe rogan
Were they speaking Italian or were they speaking Latin?
jamie vernon
They would have been speaking Latin back then.
joe rogan
Okay, but here's the question, the reason why I ask this.
When Martin Luther was translating the Bible in the 1500s or the 1400s, whenever that was, the reason why the Bible was the priests would be the only one that could tell you the Word of God, because they're the only one who could read Latin.
So no one spoke Latin.
No one read Latin.
They couldn't read it.
So these people didn't know what was in the Bible until Martin Luther translated it into phonetic languages.
I think German and a couple other languages it got eventually translated to.
So then people could read the Bible for themselves, whereas before it was just Latin.
So when did Latin die off?
When did they stop using Latin?
Because Latin's a weird one.
You learn it in school, but you're never gonna fucking use it.
john rallo
Latin and Greek.
jamie vernon
They spoke Latin and Greek.
joe rogan
Like, when did Latin go?
Isn't it crazy?
So the Roman Empire, they spoke a language that's dead.
It's a dead language.
din thomas
It's just gone now?
joe rogan
Gone.
jamie vernon
476. That's probably when people stopped speaking it, but priests probably still knew because of everything was written.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So there it is.
After the fall of Rome in 476 AD, Latin began to die out, and distinct local Latin dialects developed.
Wow.
Wow.
So these dialects eventually evolved into modern romance languages like Italian and Spanish, which is crazy!
That means those languages are only 500 fucking years old!
That's nuts!
din thomas
But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent.
joe rogan
Right, of course.
But isn't it crazy that those languages, like Italian, is only like 500 years old?
Who the fuck would have guessed that?
john rallo
And there's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well.
unidentified
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
Texas is way bigger than all those places, you know, which is nuts.
Like Europe, when you look at America, it's basically like Europe, right?
But we don't call it different countries.
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
But Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles, you know?
jamie vernon
It'd be 1,500 years old, not 500. Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Duh.
20. Yeah.
john rallo
And none of us caught that either.
unidentified
How did I not catch it?
jamie vernon
You're just seeing it.
You're seeing it and saying it.
joe rogan
Okay.
So I'm sorry.
1,500 years.
Still, languages developing that.
You would think they were older than that.
matt serra
Did you guys ever watch, and I watched it more than once, I watched it at least a few times, the series Rome on HBO. Yeah, I have.
john rallo
I think it's only two seasons, but it's really good.
matt serra
They crammed it into two seasons.
The budget was super high at the time, and it is a fucking great series.
john rallo
It is very good.
matt serra
Puglio.
Oh, they're badass!
Yes!
Oh my god!
john rallo
What a great show!
That guy's real.
matt serra
Such a great show.
john rallo
Who they based it on.
They based it on a real dude.
matt serra
It holds up.
joe rogan
I never heard anything about it.
john rallo
You should watch this.
Is his name Ray Stevenson?
matt serra
I highly recommend it.
john rallo
I think he played the Punisher, too, and all the actors.
matt serra
Ray Stevenson, he was Pulio in this.
john rallo
That's what put him on.
matt serra
And the other guy, Lucius, is phenomenal.
john rallo
I want to say that Lucius...
Maybe they based that on a real guy.
matt serra
Listen, it is so great.
Even if you go onto YouTube and watch Lucius and Titus just being badass, or Titus Pulio being badass, it's just, oh my god.
john rallo
It was a good series.
matt serra
Such a great series.
joe rogan
No shit.
I never heard anything about it.
That's amazing.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
I need something new to watch.
I just finished the Peaky Blinders.
matt serra
Yeah, you go through this.
This is only two seasons, and again, I revisit it a lot.
joe rogan
Have you been to Rome?
matt serra
No, no.
Me and my wife, she's waiting for my stomach to get better.
I go like, we might as well just fucking go and put a cork up my ass, because I'm not going to...
joe rogan
Just go.
Just go while you can.
matt serra
And I heard you can eat the food over there, and it's not as bad for you.
joe rogan
Not neither.
Well, we've got some weird shit going on with our food, that's for sure.
You can eat pasta over there, you feel normal.
matt serra
No, I definitely need to go.
john rallo
They don't have poison in their foods over there.
joe rogan
Fruit Loops in America are different than Fruit Loops in fucking Canada.
Because we allow all the dirty dyes.
We allow all those funky dyes that are horrible for you.
And European countries are like, no, that shit's poison.
We're like, give it to the kids.
unidentified
Give it to the babies.
joe rogan
Give the babies the poison.
john rallo
Loaded with sugar.
joe rogan
Loaded with sugar.
But we never know.
When we were kids, nobody ever told you sugar.
Sugar just, all it did was rot your teeth.
No big deal.
john rallo
Boxing that shit in one sitting.
din thomas
That's what it felt like.
joe rogan
Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you.
din thomas
I grew up on that shit.
unidentified
All of it.
john rallo
We all did.
joe rogan
I used to take Frosted Frakes and put sugar on top of it.
unidentified
Sugar on it!
joe rogan
Remember those days?
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
You love gritty.
Gritty with sugar.
din thomas
And if I ain't had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.
john rallo
Water in it.
matt serra
I remember Travis Luter.
Some guys are too smart for their own good.
I remember I'm eating raisins in there, and he's eating fucking Kit Kats and shit.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
matt serra
He's like, oh, sugar, sugar.
I go, I don't think it works like that.
I'm far from a fucking nutritionist, but I don't think, you know, because I don't like these fucking raisins.
joe rogan
There is something to be said for drinking things that have a high sugar content after hard training.
That's fact.
And you know who used to do that?
Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd Mayweather used to be having these crazy workouts and he would crack open a Pepsi.
And people were like, what the fuck is he doing?
Like, he's crazy.
But no, he's not.
He's smart.
As hard as that guy worked out, flooding yourself and you're getting that muscle glycogen in a crazy way that you're really not going to get any other way.
Like, I don't recommend drinking soda.
I like it.
It's fun.
I like to drink a soda every now and then, a real one.
But he used to drink it after training.
din thomas
Well, that's what, like, Paul Felder does, like, after, like, a long bike ride.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
He would talk about, like, drinking a soda.
john rallo
Yeah, the best times to do it are, like, they say either when you wake up just because you're fasted or after a big workout, they're the safest times to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's there drinking a Coke.
And you would think, like, there's no way this guy, he treats his body like a temple.
But he does.
He's smart.
That guy did it the right way.
Never drank, never partied, never was out of shape, never got fat, would run home from the club at 2 o'clock in the morning, in his jeans, just fucking getting in work, never out of shape.
He got to see all the mistakes.
And he's like, I'm not making any of these.
din thomas
Yeah, he was built different, too.
joe rogan
Smarter.
din thomas
Yeah, smarter than everybody else.
joe rogan
And also figured out, I can't knock everybody out, but I can get everybody to want me to get knocked out.
And so people come to see me get knocked out, and I beat everybody.
din thomas
That's right, yep.
john rallo
I mean, he's definitely the greatest defensive fighter of all time.
joe rogan
If boxing is hit and doesn't get hit, who's better than Floyd?
Zero people.
How many people cracked him in his career?
Shane cracked him.
john rallo
Chop Chop with Demarcus Corley.
joe rogan
Cracked him once.
matt serra
Conor McGregor?
joe rogan
Homeboy from Argentina.
Maidana.
Maidana.
john rallo
The first Maidana fight was pretty...
joe rogan
Maidana knocked his tooth out and then would carry it around on a necklace.
Maidana has Floyd Mayweather's tooth on a gold necklace.
john rallo
A lot of people thought Maidana won the first one.
joe rogan
He definitely cracked him at the end of that round and wobbled him.
And then it was right at the bell.
And so then Floyd got back on his bike and started outboxing him.
But Maidana, see?
There it is.
There's his tooth.
See, there it is.
He's got it knocked out.
And he keeps it around his neck.
din thomas
Think about how good defensively you have to be.
We can count how many times you've been cracked.
joe rogan
Amazing.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
But also could recover.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Floyd could recover.
He just had a lot of hand injuries.
matt serra
How'd he find his tooth in that motherfucker?
So he's probably telling his corner guy, get that motherfucker in there!
joe rogan
You can see it in the fight.
It flies out of his mouth.
And one of the corner men saw it and grabbed it.
Damn.
Yeah.
john rallo
That's great.
joe rogan
Great.
That's hilarious.
matt serra
That is funny.
joe rogan
We need that.
john rallo
That's a souvenir.
That second fight, Floyd got the ring bigger, and he just destroyed him in the second one because he had more room to run.
The first one, Maidana kept getting him on the ropes, getting him on the ropes, and beating him up.
joe rogan
Well, if you're going to have a rematch with a master technician, he's going to figure out all your little things.
john rallo
He's the shot caller.
joe rogan
Did you see Superlek in 1FC? I didn't see that, no.
What is that?
Dude, Superlek is this badass Muay Thai fighter, and he fought Jonathan Haggerty, who was the champion.
din thomas
Was that when he hit him with the elbow?
matt serra
Yeah.
din thomas
Yeah, I heard about that, yeah.
joe rogan
But I saw an interesting breakdown.
Here it is.
So Haggerty, look at this.
He caught him with that overtop elbow.
Like, real quick in the fight.
I think it was like 40 seconds.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
KO. So they had a real good fight in the first fight.
It was six years ago, and Hagerty became the champion, and everybody thought, you know, like, this is going to be a much different fight.
But what I saw that was interesting was someone broke down, there was a video breakdown of his tells that Hagerty has a certain hop, hop, and then he goes in.
And then Superlek had timed it, and he tried it earlier in the round and didn't catch it.
And in this one, look at this, perfect timing.
Gets his head off the center line.
Oh, my God.
Perfect elbow.
This is the thing that I love that 1FC is doing.
I don't love what they did to Mikey Moose Imagine.
But what I love what they're doing is they're having world-class Muay Thai fighters and they're putting them in these giant cards where like tens of thousands of people see them.
It's on Amazon.
So millions of people are gonna see it around the world on Amazon and it's on the internet.
So all these people are gonna be able to see it on YouTube.
It's exposing people to these guys that are just super high level strikers that you're not going to hear about.
200 fights.
Ra-Tang, who would have heard of Ra-Tang if it wasn't for one?
din thomas
For sure.
joe rogan
Right now everybody knows who he is.
matt serra
That fucking elbow reminded me, it just brought me back to Weidman vs.
Mark Munoz.
unidentified
Oh my god.
matt serra
That's the fucking elbow.
joe rogan
Exactly.
matt serra
That's the fucking elbow.
joe rogan
Exactly.
din thomas
And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zhu over the weekend.
joe rogan
Really?
din thomas
Yeah, and busted his eye wide open.
They stopped the fight because of that.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
matt serra
Watch this elbow.
joe rogan
This one's incredible.
This is Prime Wideman.
Oh my goodness, the timing on that.
Dude, Prime Wideman was a motherfucker, dude.
He was a motherfucker.
matt serra
Look at this elbow.
joe rogan
Longo's half, man!
Phenomenal.
din thomas
So clean.
joe rogan
Phenomenal.
unidentified
Ready?
matt serra
Bang, Weidman!
joe rogan
The timing.
matt serra
Yeah, Chris.
He's fighting Anders soon.
din thomas
Eric Anders.
joe rogan
When is that?
din thomas
When is that?
That's Madison Square Garden.
November 16th.
joe rogan
That's a crazy fight.
matt serra
Chris is in South Carolina now.
We don't see him so much.
South Carolina Chris now, we call him.
joe rogan
Is he training with Wonderboy?
Who's he training with down there?
unidentified
Has he lived down there?
din thomas
He's got like his own people with like Brian Barbarina and those guys.
matt serra
He's got a bunch of nice guys with them.
din thomas
They got a decent little squad down there from what I hear.
joe rogan
Well, he was throwing kicks in the last fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was throwing hard kicks with that right leg.
din thomas
I can't watch it.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
din thomas
I can't watch it.
joe rogan
But it seemed like he was trying to prove a point.
Like, I'm going to fucking throw these things.
matt serra
He's such a beast, Chris Whiteman.
joe rogan
That last fight was a bummer, though.
The eye poke thing was a real bummer.
matt serra
It kind of made it...
It took away from it a little bit.
joe rogan
It was a bummer.
I feel like...
I keep saying it, but I feel like they should cover those fingertips.
There's no reason why they're exposed.
It doesn't make any sense.
Do it like a bad glove.
Cover it like a bad glove.
din thomas
I mean, I just don't understand how they thought this was going to solve the problem.
They were like, new gloves!
And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's still the same setup.
I feel like if you're going to have the fingerless ones, Trevor Whitman's are the best.
din thomas
They curve down, right?
joe rogan
They curve hard.
But your hands stay in this position.
You have to struggle to do this.
Your hand naturally goes in this position.
The UFC gloves are still like this.
din thomas
Yeah.
How did they think that was going to be the answer?
joe rogan
You've got to cover the fingers.
There's no reason to not cover the fingers like a bad glove.
Just have a piece of leather that goes over the fingertips so you have one thing.
It's not going to invade your grappling.
It's not going to change your striking.
It's not going to change anything.
john rallo
Put a piece of elastic in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just keep it closed.
And this way, at least if you get poked in the eye, you're getting a blunt thing like this.
You're not getting something that goes into your eyeball, right?
So have them all covered with something like that and have like a ridge over the top of it, like a soft foam ridge.
So even if you're getting poked in the eyes, you're not...
john rallo
It's definitely better than a...
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not getting an individual thing going deep into your eyeball with a fingernail, which is what people get right now.
You get fucking fingernails.
din thomas
Dirty-ass fingernail in your eyeball.
joe rogan
Even if you trim your nails, like my nails are trimmed, I wouldn't want that in my asshole.
matt serra
Oh, let me look at me today.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if that's in your asshole?
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scratching around inside your asshole, right?
And your eyeball is just soft tissue, man.
matt serra
Yeah, that's worse than little Ant-Man getting big inside your asshole.
john rallo
My head went straight there.
matt serra
Of course.
john rallo
Scarred.
joe rogan
That's where I was going with it.
It's like soft tissue in your eyeballs is the scariest soft tissue.
We're allowing fingernails to go in there for no reason.
You could fix that.
You really could fix that by just covering the tips of the fingertips.
din thomas
I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.
joe rogan
Trevor Whitman's glove is the best.
john rallo
I do too.
joe rogan
You're always going to have thumbs.
You know, you remember Roberto Duran and Davey Moore?
din thomas
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He thumbed him right in the eyeball.
matt serra
Dean Thomas, do you want them to use the Trevor Whitman gloves because you feel bad about taking his fucking job?
din thomas
Well, listen, I can't help you.
unidentified
You motherfuckers!
matt serra
No, no, no, no, no, no.
din thomas
He left the job so he could work on them gloves.
So you might as well give him the love for that.
joe rogan
Trevor Whitman has the best gloves.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has the best training gloves.
unidentified
All his equipment is top tier.
joe rogan
He uses the best materials.
The foam he uses is very different.
It's like super high-tech density foam.
It feels better when you're hitting things.
I think it'll protect people from hand injuries better.
din thomas
Yeah.
matt serra
So they should talk to him.
joe rogan
They did.
He apparently wanted some crazy amount of money that the UFC wasn't willing to give.
Trevor!
That's the UFC's perspective.
I don't know what Trevor—I love Trevor, but I'm a big fan of his stuff.
If it was up to me, I would figure out a way to make that work.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
But, you know, apparently he wanted something crazy.
matt serra
Not only that, Dean Thomas has your fucking other job now!
din thomas
So that's why...
matt serra
Dean, you do a good job with that.
din thomas
Yeah, you do.
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
Nobody dresses better.
How do you plan that out?
din thomas
I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all.
You know what I'm saying?
That's Joe Rogan in D.C. I got to have my own thing.
joe rogan
But you do have a flair.
You got your own Dean Thomas flair.
din thomas
Yeah, I got to show up somehow.
matt serra
Always show up.
joe rogan
Hey, there's some good fights on this card this weekend.
Oh, I know.
Bahamundes is a bad motherfucker.
din thomas
He is a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
That's a bad motherfucker.
din thomas
Bahamundes, yeah.
joe rogan
That's an interesting fight on the undercard.
matt serra
Let's see.
joe rogan
He's fighting Manuel Torres, who's also good.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a good fight, man.
That's a real good fight.
That's one of them under-the-radar fights.
john rallo
They put people in here to like to throw.
They sure did.
din thomas
Who did Manuel Torres fight this last fight?
He beat the hell out of somebody last time.
joe rogan
He did.
Baja Mondes throws some wild shit.
din thomas
Oh yeah, Chris Duncan.
Yeah, he busted Chris Duncan.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's going to be an interesting fight, but for me, scroll all the way up to the top, Jamie.
No, no, no.
The end of the card.
I'm very, very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grosso and Valentina.
matt serra
Yes, me too.
joe rogan
I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the second fight.
john rallo
I did too.
joe rogan
I felt like she...
And some judge gave the last round to Alexa Grosso 10-8.
john rallo
They had two points.
joe rogan
Which I thought was kind of...
din thomas
Well, you know why, right?
Because he had her in the choke, and he was just kind of biased from the first choke.
joe rogan
Right.
din thomas
So he thought that was close enough.
joe rogan
It was kind of close, but it wasn't.
I mean, it means something.
If you're going to do that, you should do that all the time.
Anytime someone gets you in a choke and you defend, that's a 10-9 already.
You already got a 10-9.
Anything more than that, now it's 10-8.
You know, like boxing with knockdowns.
The scoring is too subjective.
john rallo
A 10-8 round is more like when Aljamain had Jan on his back the entire round threatening, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Smashing him.
john rallo
Getting it at the end of the round doesn't earn you two points.
joe rogan
Right, a 10-8 is a dominant round.
You dominated the whole round.
john rallo
And did they give Aljamain two points?
I don't even think he got 10-8 for that.
matt serra
All I know is poor Aljo didn't get the respect he deserves after that Calvin Cater fight, which was a fucking beautiful...
Masterpiece.
joe rogan
Masterpiece.
matt serra
It was a great fight.
joe rogan
I think Aljo is just a 45-er who was a bad motherfucker at 35, but I think we're going to see the real Aljo at 45. I think so, too.
din thomas
I think he's going to beat Oldboy in a couple weeks, too.
joe rogan
He's so big, man.
I was always like, how the...
I saw him in between fights once.
din thomas
He's going to beat Movistar.
He's going to beat Movistar in a couple weeks.
joe rogan
Interesting fight.
john rallo
High-level grappling.
joe rogan
Very high-level grappling.
When he got Sanhagen's back, bro, that was the quickness.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
That rear naked choke of his is about as good as it gets in MMA right now.
john rallo
These top three fights are all bangers.
joe rogan
But Diego Lopez and Ortego's going to be crazy.
That's going to be fucking crazy.
matt serra
How do you think Ortego...
What happened to Ortega last time where he pulled out?
Like something was up with him?
john rallo
Supposedly, he got an ammonia or something, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he got something real bad.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got real, real sick.
john rallo
Yeah, because they made that fight on, like I said, it was a three-week notice fight.
joe rogan
He didn't look good the day of the weigh-ins.
You know, I do the interviews with fighters.
I did an interview with him, and he was like, he just looked tired.
I think he just, I mean, he didn't make weight that fight either, remember?
john rallo
It was a medical withdrawal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he missed a weight, and then on top of that, they changed the weight class, then on top of that, he never makes it to the fight.
He was sick.
matt serra
It's gonna be a wild fight.
joe rogan
And Diego Lopez is a fucking assassin.
din thomas
Zell Huber is an assassin, too.
john rallo
I was getting ready.
That's gonna be another banger.
din thomas
He's good, yeah.
john rallo
Who do you like on that one?
I heard old Cejudo talking about Rybovich apparently trains at his gym.
joe rogan
Rybovich is good, man.
He's very good.
This is a very fun fight.
Very fun fight.
There's a lot of under-the-radar fights on this card.
din thomas
I think it's going to live up to it.
I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere.
And the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers.
joe rogan
Here's the question.
Do they...
You know how they show on the big screens?
You get to see the fights if you're in the stands, so you can see things that maybe you don't see.
Are they going to have it on the whole ceiling?
john rallo
I don't think.
matt serra
You looking up and seeing shit?
din thomas
I think they should.
I was at the Apex all week last week, and it's so secretive.
joe rogan
I think they should have the fight on the whole ceiling, and then everybody would not know where to fuck to look.
john rallo
That's what I think.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'd be getting knockouts, and people wouldn't even be looking at them.
unidentified
They'd be like, ah!
din thomas
Okay.
joe rogan
Because if it's way cooler, if it's only going to do it once, have the shit on the ceiling.
john rallo
Is there going to be two production trucks?
Like, people at home aren't going to be seeing the whole visual because, you know, it's produced for...
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
din thomas
Well, apparently they hired another director.
unidentified
Wow.
din thomas
A sphere director.
Someone understands that.
john rallo
If they're smart, which they are, they should make some kind of documentary or something about the making of this shit.
joe rogan
Oh, they probably are.
john rallo
You know what I mean?
And so people get to try to see what was going on inside of there that weren't able to get tickets.
joe rogan
I think there's six mini-movies that play about the history of combat sports in Mexico.
matt serra
They said that.
They said something like that.
din thomas
Yeah.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
They spent $20 million on this fucking place.
Yeah, I've heard.
Nuts.
john rallo
I think the original budget was $10 million.
din thomas
And they just went over?
joe rogan
So, Sean O'Malley and Merab is a perfect fight for it.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I know that neither one of them is Mexican, but let that go for a little bit.
unidentified
Mexico, they adopted Merab.
joe rogan
He fights like a Mexican.
He really does.
Goddamn, that guy's gas tank is terrifying.
He's terrifying, because that's a guy that if you empty out early on Merab, you got real proud.
matt serra
He's got a chin on him.
joe rogan
He survives.
john rallo
Apparently so.
joe rogan
The Marlin fight was nuts, man.
john rallo
The second half of the round he got dropped in, he beat him to death.
matt serra
He almost stopped him in that round.
john rallo
That's why the second round happened how it did.
He took it out of him in the first round.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Rob is an animal.
But Marise was like a frontrunner like no other.
That first round with Henry Cejudo, I thought Henry Cejudo was going to sleep.
Dude, when Marlon was in his prime, when he knocked out Aljo with that switch kick, bro, he was terrifying.
People forgot how good Marlon was.
din thomas
He was good, good.
joe rogan
But he was just too big for the weight class, too.
He was another guy.
There's no way that was healthy.
He was so big for 35 and just shredded.
din thomas
Explosive, man.
john rallo
He had that Mickey Mouse voice to go with it.
The little fire plug with that little voice.
joe rogan
What Marlon had that was so tricky was that left high kick off the front leg.
john rallo
He caught a lot of people.
joe rogan
He did it so slick.
It was so fast.
matt serra
He was explosive, he was accurate, he was well-rounded, but he did the gas tank, I think maybe from making the weight or whatever.
joe rogan
It had to do with, there was some psychological aspects to it too, I think.
There was like something when he was the nail, it wasn't his, you know, he just didn't stand up.
He wasn't like Merab.
Like Merab finds a fucking...
There's a Georgia memory in there of some fucking street fight with a goat.
There's some deep memory of some fucking chaotic thing on a mountain that happened that's in his brain forever.
matt serra
You know, you got Sean O'Malley saying that he has...
Sean O'Malley says he has no losses.
He points out that Cheeto Vera thing that it's a fluke.
If you look at Marab's record, that fight with Frankie Sighs was a fucking...
I don't say it often.
It's a fucking robbery if you watch that.
And he was just getting over fucking...
What'd he have?
Not pneumonia.
He had lingering effects of something.
And he still went through that fight.
I don't give a fuck.
Watch that fight.
He won that fight.
And then the other one with Simone, Ricky Simone, it was controversial.
Because he was in the choke, and that round ended, and then he was like half in, half out, and they're like, oh, he's out.
So it was a weird...
joe rogan
I haven't seen that.
Let me see that.
Ricky Simone, I forgot about that fight.
matt serra
He's shaking to the end of it.
And then when it's the end of it, it's like, out.
But in and out.
So it's like, it was a weird...
But he made it to the belt.
joe rogan
Well, that's Yan Xiaonan against Zhang Weili.
Remember?
At the end of the round, she was out cold.
din thomas
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She got choked unconscious.
And then they woke her up.
And she's like, okay.
matt serra
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Sat down and throwing ice on her and water.
He was in Carlos Newton.
unidentified
She woke up.
joe rogan
But he won.
Because he was the first guy to wake up.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
So here it is.
Ricky Simone gets him in a guillotine.
matt serra
And there's the very end.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so nasty.
Look how nasty that is.
john rallo
It's on, too.
joe rogan
That's so tight.
That's so tight.
He's out.
He's out right there.
john rallo
He's out.
The arm's hanging.
matt serra
But he doesn't stop it.
unidentified
The left doesn't stop it.
matt serra
He's still shaking.
joe rogan
Okay.
So he's hanging in there.
He's hanging in there.
matt serra
But where's the seconds left?
joe rogan
He's not tapping.
God damn, that guy's got willpower, huh?
john rallo
For real.
joe rogan
Look at him.
He's not tapping.
john rallo
Surviving for the moment.
joe rogan
He's not defending with his arms either.
This is crazy.
He's not even defending with his arms.
He's just using his neck.
john rallo
He gave him the thumbs up.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Ten seconds?
joe rogan
He's still moving his legs.
john rallo
I mean, that's...
matt serra
The horn!
But now he's like...
joe rogan
He's breathing.
matt serra
Yeah, what the fuck?
They stopped the fight.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
You can't say he's out there.
matt serra
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
You can't say he's out there.
matt serra
Rest in peace, Dr. Sherry.
john rallo
Right.
matt serra
That was the team talk.
john rallo
Dr. Walken.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
matt serra
That's fucked up!
din thomas
He stopped the fight after the fight was over?
joe rogan
Yeah, after the round was over, they decided he was out.
matt serra
Yeah, so I mean, so look, you could look at his record and say he undefeated.
joe rogan
But he protested immediately.
He was just laying there with his eyes open, and it looked like he was out because he was fucking exhausted.
unidentified
Yeah, like he could be like, alright, yeah, that's like a sign of relief.
joe rogan
Look, there's no way he would have known if the guy says it's over and he immediately protests.
There's no way he could have known to protest if he wasn't awake.
john rallo
And who was the ref?
I don't even recognize him.
matt serra
They fucked him in this.
So it's like you could look at his record and be like, yo, this guy hasn't lost the fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's some, you know, refs are human.
unidentified
They make mistakes.
matt serra
That's a rough one, though.
joe rogan
It's a bad one.
matt serra
And if you look at the fight before that, that's the robbery of Frankie Saiz.
So you could literally look at this guy and say he never lost.
joe rogan
I think all these moments of adversity just strengthened his resolve anyway.
The guy's a monster now.
The Henry Cejudo fight was so crazy.
When he was carrying Henry Cejudo like a little kid with his tongue hanging out, I was like, this is mad.
din thomas
It was kind of embarrassing.
I felt bad for Henry.
joe rogan
But he's doing it to Henry Cejudo.
He wasn't just doing it to some guy who didn't belong in the cage with him.
He's doing it to a two-division world champion who's an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and he's carrying him around like a pillow.
din thomas
And he walks over to Mark Zuckerberg.
john rallo
And then he's talking shit while he's choking him.
joe rogan
Talking shit while he's beating the fuck out of him.
He was having a great old time.
When he had him in that 10-finger guillotine, bro, that's a nasty spot.
I thought he was going to get him there with that.
I'm like, that's a nasty choke.
matt serra
Yeah, I think he's gonna have his night.
joe rogan
I think the craziest moment like that, though, was when Hamzat picked up the leech.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
john rallo
Walked him over there.
unidentified
Walked him over there.
matt serra
Give me title shot!
joe rogan
I killed him all!
He's, like, carrying him in the air.
Just carrying him over to Dana.
And he starts fucking him up right in front of Dana.
That dude's wild.
din thomas
Poor Leach, though.
Leach can't get...
I mean, they just feed him to everyone.
matt serra
Who did he just fight, Leach?
din thomas
Carlos Protes.
unidentified
And Carlos Protes put them hands on Carlos.
joe rogan
Smoking cigarettes in the locker room, fucking everybody up.
din thomas
He put them hands on him.
matt serra
That striking was beautiful.
joe rogan
He's good, man.
matt serra
He made that look easy, man.
joe rogan
He's very, very, very good.
That guy's scary.
matt serra
Where the fuck did he come from?
din thomas
It's from the fighting nerds, man.
joe rogan
There he is right here.
Yeah, fighting nerds, man.
They got a great team.
But this guy, he's just a fucking killer, man.
Carlos just knows how to put it on you.
This knee to the body, man, was so nasty.
Oh, see the knee to the body before that?
They didn't have that in that video?
But he had him hurt before this, but he's just fucking accurate.
matt serra
Dude, he's all limbs, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that.
john rallo
He's got precision.
matt serra
I hate those daddy long legs motherfuckers.
john rallo
All legs and arms.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some good fighters coming up, man.
These kids that are coming up, they come into the cage so much better than guys just five years ago.
So much better.
din thomas
Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior.
joe rogan
Right.
din thomas
Especially if you have the PI behind you.
Like in Mexico, they're sponsoring these guys.
joe rogan
Also, there's so many videos to watch now.
That's a big factor.
Because when you were coming up, you had VHS tapes.
What the fuck are you going to watch?
din thomas
We're talking about lines and shit.
joe rogan
Really?
Nobody got a chance to see anything.
Unless you saw them in your gym, you didn't get a chance to see real high level stuff.
And now guys, they have a standard in their head that's way higher than everybody's standard from 10, 15 years ago.
unidentified
It is true.
din thomas
Yeah, no doubt about that.
joe rogan
These guys just come in so well-rounded.
john rallo
And plus, they start so much younger.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's a factor.
john rallo
And kids, you know, the UFC has boosted wrestling in high schools and junior leagues and things, so they're just more complete.
They're growing up now complete martial artists.
matt serra
There's no secrets anymore.
I remember back in the day, we'd be like, it's a new move, don't show anybody!
joe rogan
Still, the calf kick's only a few years old.
That's what's...
Bisping said he won his whole career without kicking kicked in the calf.
matt serra
Me too, thank God.
Crazy!
I'm glad that wasn't around back then.
joe rogan
How the fuck did everybody miss that?
din thomas
I know, right?
joe rogan
Benson Henderson used to throw it.
din thomas
He did, yeah.
joe rogan
But he never had the kind of results that these guys are having.
It's different.
john rallo
Where did it come from?
joe rogan
Well, it's Muay Thai.
john rallo
Is it part of Muay Thai?
joe rogan
They've always done it.
It just wasn't done that often because guys check it.
john rallo
I never noticed.
joe rogan
And if they check it and they turn out and you catch it on your foot...
I think they do it a lot more in Muay Thai now, though.
din thomas
Even in Muay Thai?
unidentified
Yeah, I think everybody just sees what's going on.
joe rogan
You see it in one a lot.
In Glory you see it now a lot.
The guy's throwing it a lot, man.
It's so effective.
din thomas
You know what's weird?
In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh.
It has to be a calf kick.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
din thomas
Yeah.
It's weird to me.
I'm like, what?
It has to be a calf kick?
joe rogan
That's really ridiculous.
matt serra
What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh?
din thomas
It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
john rallo
That's silly.
matt serra
What's the matter with that?
john rallo
That's the whole point of karate.
joe rogan
Yeah, that literally makes no sense.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because what about Kyokushin?
What about ones where they kick the legs all the time?
That's karate too.
din thomas
Not sure why.
joe rogan
You know, take out some of the best karate from karate?
din thomas
Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.
joe rogan
But you can ground and pound for like 10 seconds or something?
din thomas
You ground and pound until you stop.
joe rogan
Oh!
din thomas
Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop.
And then they break it up.
joe rogan
But you can't leg kick.
din thomas
Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.
joe rogan
That seems crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't make sense.
What's your feeling on that side kick to the knee?
Like what Khalil did to Modestus?
john rallo
Hate it.
din thomas
No, I don't hate it.
I love it.
I hate it.
You hate it?
john rallo
Yeah.
I think it does nothing but damage a fighter.
Like, people say, oh, you can knee bar.
Well, you can tap to a knee bar.
You can't tap to that kick.
And if the kick lands, you're done.
joe rogan
You can't tap to a head kick either.
john rallo
I mean, whatever.
You go to sleep, you go to sleep.
That's different to me.
joe rogan
But some head kicks are probably worse than getting knee kicked.
I mean, Leon Edwards and Kamaru, if you ask Kamaru, would you rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head?
He might take a shot to the knee.
din thomas
I mean, you've got to defend it.
john rallo
If you hit on time, like Khalil did, I think I'd rather get kicked in my head.
joe rogan
That one was horrific.
din thomas
It's horrible to watch, but you've got to defend it.
It's not like you can't defend it.
You've got to defend it.
joe rogan
You remember when Darren Till started using it on everybody?
He was like one of the first guys to start using it on everybody.
John Jones, of course.
john rallo
John Jones, he's the guy with it.
unidentified
And he's so long.
matt serra
That's a shitty one.
You can't use that full force in sparring.
joe rogan
In sparring, you can't do that.
No, you definitely can't.
matt serra
You can't do that in sparring.
You'll be taking out your opponent's knees.
joe rogan
I've had guys tell me that they were sparring with guys they didn't know and they did shit like that to them.
Sidekicks to their knees.
I'm like, what the fuck are we doing?
john rallo
Now it's a real fight.
matt serra
Now you're making a street fight.
joe rogan
In a sparring match.
A guy was telling me about the ATT. They were bringing in some crazy Russians.
They were sidekicking your knees.
din thomas
I mean, not only that, but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the head with just hitting you with the heel.
And I'm like, yo, what are you doing?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's so hard.
If you're in a high-level sparring match with a guy where it's like you're getting emotional and then you throw a spinning kick, it's so hard to slap him with the foot.
din thomas
It's so hard to decide to use the foot.
You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.
joe rogan
Well, that's why gloves are nuts, right?
Because you can knee somebody in the face, you can elbow in the face, you can shin them in the fucking skull, but your knuckles are covered.
matt serra
God forbid!
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy!
It's kind of crazy.
matt serra
I never once sparred with the new...
I mean, they came later on, like the gloves that you could, they're not quite, they're not the boxing gloves, the puffies.
joe rogan
They're bigger, bigger MMA gloves.
john rallo
Yeah, the MMA gloves that guy's sparring.
matt serra
I always use the 16-ounce gloves because I want to be able to fucking throw.
And I grapple in them, but then I get in, I get under the butt, you obviously can't make a grip.
But then it's that much easier when I can make a grip.
So I'd get in, I'd lose it, but it would help my endurance.
And when I'm able to make grips, I'm like, ah.
When they had the new gloves and people were fucking around with them, I'm like, yeah, but now we're playing.
I didn't have the luxury.
I'm fucking 5'6".
I have to triple jab in and fight.
I can't play by just...
I have to throw.
So I couldn't throw realistically with those little gloves.
So when I see...
Sometimes there's some people sparring.
I had one of my girls sparring and...
And this girl, Lauren, and she brought in another girl, and they were doing it with those gloves.
I go, look, next time you want me to watch this shit, you're playing right now.
I'm not going to be telling you to fucking do certain things and throw certain things if you could be playing.
It's playing.
You're playing.
It's okay to play.
I like to grapple in them, but we have to fight.
So, I mean, you know, put on some bigger gloves.
john rallo
We did the same thing.
joe rogan
Do you think that there's a time in a fighter's career where they don't have to spar?
Is there ever a time where they don't have to spar hard?
matt serra
If they clock in enough hours, I guess Max Holloway, whoever else, possibly...
joe rogan
But even Holloway, when he's getting ready for Gaethje, decided to spar.
matt serra
You have to simulate the fight as much as possible, because you don't want to feel that for the first time in there.
So we used to really spar.
joe rogan
I was watching Izzy's fight with Dracus, and the thing about that fight is that it looks like at the end, Izzy's very tired.
And he gets clocked.
Like, Drickus catches him with some of those winging punches, which he was getting away from in the earlier rounds.
And he catches him, rocks him, and then he hits him with a couple more right hands against the cage, and then immediately gets him in a choke when it goes to the ground.
And then Izzy taps.
And...
I always wonder, because that school of thought of like the Mar Marinovich school of thought when BJ was in his prime, was those guys were just doing wild plyometrics and cardio, and that's it.
They just like, you know how to fight.
We're just going to give you the most fucking insane gas tank you've ever had in your career.
And if you can get through this crazy camp of doing box jumps and plyometrics and those fucking...
All those things they were doing with their feet...
Throwing them with their feet in their hands.
john rallo
The system's wild.
joe rogan
Wild shit.
And Nick Kurson, who I talked about, he's trained under him.
john rallo
He's doing it now.
joe rogan
They have this philosophy that a fighter, like a guy like you or a guy like you, you have so many fights, you know how to fight.
You've been there, you've done it.
What you really need to do for this camp, because you're getting ready for a fight, is not get injured and have a fucking insane gas tank.
matt serra
The flip side of that, most recently, and it's not the same thing because the guy could be weathered a little bit, Who had that philosophy with Tony Ferguson?
Goggins.
Now look.
joe rogan
That's Tony Ferguson after Gaethje.
matt serra
But Goggins put him through a fucking cardio session.
joe rogan
I think Tony Ferguson after Gaethje is a different human being.
john rallo
Yeah, he's been compromised.
matt serra
And I like David Goggins, but I don't think he should have been in the corner.
I mean, you got him in the corner yelling from the stand.
I'm not shitting on Goggins.
I like all the shit.
But he's in the corner going, get up, Tony!
It's one of those things where it's like, you know, no shit.
joe rogan
Agreed.
Agreed.
Look, when it comes to willpower and when it comes to discipline, there's no one like Goggins.
But that doesn't matter if you mount him and strangle him to death.
It doesn't matter.
All that, I fucking never quit.
You're going to quit, bitch.
I'm going to make your body quit.
matt serra
I'm going to make your body quit.
joe rogan
I don't care what kind of will you have.
I get behind you and put that in there.
You're going to pee your pants.
That's how it goes.
You're a human being.
You have neck muscles.
You have veins that provide all that blood to your brain.
I'm going to cut that off.
You can't get all that he needs from a guy like that, but you can get something.
You can get something, but Tony at that time was already on a long...
skid of multiple losses the Chandler knockout he gets front kicked in the face and an epic KO loss the Gaethje fight was horrific and then you gotta go before that he blows his fucking knee out backstage he was the boogeyman we were gonna see the boogeyman versus Khabib it was the fight everybody was pumped and then Al steps in On super short notice.
Raging Al had a great fucking account of himself.
unidentified
Big time.
john rallo
It was a very good fight.
unidentified
Very good fight against Khabib in his prime.
john rallo
24 hours.
joe rogan
Khabib in his prime.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
And didn't get finished.
For five rounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, I always wonder, man, if Tony Ferguson just doesn't step on those wires and we get to see that fight.
My God.
din thomas
How?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that was Tony Ferguson when he was the fucking boogeyman.
When everybody was scared of him.
din thomas
Yep.
joe rogan
He was beating the fuck out of everybody.
din thomas
Who's the guy that left them wires there?
Hopefully they fired that guy, because he ruined history.
joe rogan
There's always going to be wires.
It's just a thing.
unidentified
Didn't Randallman fall backstage or something, too?
joe rogan
Yes, right before the fight.
He fell and hit his head.
He stepped on some loose pipe.
john rallo
Like a pipe or something.
joe rogan
Went up in the air, banged his head, got knocked out, was bleeding.
matt serra
Yeah, everybody was always going to be guessing, but even when he was in his prime, he fought Kevin Lee.
Kevin Lee got him down, mounted him.
joe rogan
But then he triangled him.
matt serra
He did triangle him, but Kevin Lee Mountain, no offense to Kevin Lee, it's not like Habib on Tapia.
So, I mean, is he ever surviving that?
joe rogan
You gotta remember, Kevin Lee maybe didn't achieve his potential, but Kevin Lee choked out Chiesa.
Remember that?
Kevin Lee was a motherfucker off the ground, dude.
din thomas
He had his moments.
He did have his moments.
joe rogan
He had mad potential.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
When he knocked out, uh, what's his face?
The wrestler?
din thomas
Oh, Gregor Gillespie.
joe rogan
Kevin Lee was a fucking beast, man.
He just was inconsistent and then had a bunch of knee injuries, like severe knee injuries.
din thomas
And that's the thing, like, a fighter's window is only open for so long.
So you gotta try to maximize that.
Do what you can when your window is open.
joe rogan
Right, if you saw Fedor fight Ryan Bader, you can't judge Fedor on that.
din thomas
And we tend to do that.
joe rogan
We always do.
That's why I always say BJ, because we judge BJ by the end of his career.
matt serra
It was like Tony Ferguson.
I mean, I think Tony beat BJ's, it's not a good record that they have, but as far as how many losses in a row.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
So these guys got to throw these guys' names in Fight Pass, all these young kids, and see them in their glory days, because that's when you should really watch them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's the thing about fighters, is like, whatever that window is, they say it's nine years at your very best, from your contender to your champion, whatever.
When you're fucking redlining.
unidentified
Bam!
din thomas
I think it's about five, really.
I think it's shorter than nine.
I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it.
Like, you in it, let's get it right now.
joe rogan
Like Anderson.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anderson is prime.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like five years of just destruction.
din thomas
And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not...
joe rogan
You ain't got it no more.
Also, injuries, you know, with Anderson.
Injuries.
Well, first it was Weidman.
Weidman's left hook.
Yep.
din thomas
That was the start of it all.
Weidman's left hook?
joe rogan
Bro, that was crazy.
Crazy, real crazy.
Same one he landed on Uriah Hall, remember?
din thomas
Yep.
joe rogan
Before Uriah Hall was like the next big thing when he was in the Ultimate Fighter, Chris had fought him in New Jersey in combat.
john rallo
Lou Neglia.
joe rogan
Bro, he had a long left hook.
Weidman's got that...
That extra foot to that hook.
It was a long hook.
john rallo
That was an awesome show.
joe rogan
Like an extended arm hook at the end sometimes.
din thomas
That go-go gadget left hook.
joe rogan
It's a good hook, man, because the guys don't think it's going to be able to reach them, and then all of a sudden it's there.
unidentified
Pop!
matt serra
I'm interested to see him and Eric Anders.
It's going to be a war.
Yeah, because Eric's a tough guy too.
unidentified
He's game.
din thomas
Yeah, Eric is game.
joe rogan
Remember when he fought Khalil and didn't even flinch?
And Khalil was just blasting his legs.
din thomas
Talk about being tough enough to take a beating.
joe rogan
Bro, I asked him about it.
I was like, what was that like?
He said, every one of them hurt.
Every one of them hurt so bad.
din thomas
Good poker face, bro.
joe rogan
He had the best poker face, man.
He just took it.
matt serra
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some good fights coming up, kids.
Some real good fights.
matt serra
Oh, fuck yeah.
I can't wait.
I love it.
I love a Saturday when the fight...
I hate when there's...
There's so many fights on every weekend that when there's not one on, I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
You know what I'm looking forward to more than any?
Holloway and Teporia.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the one for me.
matt serra
When is that?
din thomas
That's October.
joe rogan
That's Abu Dhabi, right?
din thomas
Yeah, October.
joe rogan
That's the one, son.
26. That's the one for me.
Because I see that fight, I go, I don't fucking know.
I love a fight where I don't fucking know.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
A lot of people would have counted out him on the Gaethje fight.
john rallo
Shit, I thought Gaethje was going to beat him.
joe rogan
Insane.
And now you're giving him a lot of time to prepare and get ready for this fight?
And then Hamzat and Whitaker, is that going to happen?
Is that going to happen?
john rallo
If he's not sick again.
matt serra
This is a nice fucking card though.
joe rogan
It's a great card.
john rallo
It is a good card.
unidentified
Jeff Neal over RDA. I didn't know that was happening.
joe rogan
Armin Petrosian and Magomedov.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's some good fights on that card.
They bust out.
Anybody who celebrates Ramadan on that card.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get in there.
din thomas
Get in there.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
That main event is so unpredictable.
Like, Toporia, everybody he hits goes night-night.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
Everybody he hits.
He's fucking...
matt serra
Max is hard to hit.
Very hard.
joe rogan
And Max got a chin on him too.
john rallo
And he's got a gas tank.
joe rogan
And Max got that new sneaky spinning back kick while he's stepping away.
john rallo
Yeah, it was working, right?
matt serra
That might have been a game changer, man.
joe rogan
Bro, it's a game changer.
matt serra
That landed at the end of that first round.
joe rogan
Smashed his nose.
john rallo
Changed the fight.
joe rogan
Changed the fight.
And it was a skill that he really didn't use a lot earlier in his career.
din thomas
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
And he had it all of a sudden dialed in.
unidentified
It was crazy.
joe rogan
And it was a hard one to do because he's moving away.
It was like a hop-away spin to the face.
matt serra
And talk about a hero fucking ending to that fucking fight.
I don't think there's another fight that ended like that.
joe rogan
You wouldn't believe that if it was in a movie.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, shut up.
Right.
Shut up with your stupid head, right?
matt serra
A fight that is clearly ahead.
He fucking takes that chance of going to the floor.
unidentified
Clearly ahead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
john rallo
With a guy you know throws hammers.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
You know?
joe rogan
And he's been dropped in that fight already.
john rallo
Right.
joe rogan
He got dropped.
unidentified
The way he ended.
Legit dropped.
matt serra
With him face planted.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
It's the stuff of legends.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the fact that it's for the BMF belt, what a perfect fight for the BMF belt.
That's the perfect fight.
matt serra
100%.
din thomas
And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys.
It's like natural reactions.
It's such a natural reaction.
And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.
joe rogan
You don't even know what's happening.
I think that was the first fight I ever stood up.
I got out of my chair.
din thomas
I couldn't take it.
joe rogan
I literally couldn't take it.
I couldn't take it.
I can't be sitting down.
I had to stand up.
Anik too.
Anik doesn't stand up very often either, I don't think.
I couldn't sit down.
I was like, I can't believe I just saw that.
I can't believe that was real.
And then when Max is walking around going, rah!
Fucking wild, man.
That was wild.
din thomas
Max be giving us some moments, right?
john rallo
He might be my all-time favorite fighter.
matt serra
Myself and Dean Thomas were there.
Not a lot of people were there alive.
I think it was in Abu Dhabi.
unidentified
When he's a calvicator and he's looking away, he's like, I'm the best boxer!
din thomas
He takes him in the face.
joe rogan
I still gave him the second fight with Volkanovski.
So you go back and think.
Imagine if he wins and that he doesn't go through this skid.
You know, and you see, oh, the Calvin Cater fight was brutal.
He changed Calvin Cater's career.
He changed Calvin Cater's career in that fight.
That was a bad beating.
It was a bad beating.
And it was kind of...
unidentified
Should have never talked shit to him.
joe rogan
And this is the apex, right?
din thomas
No, this is Abu Dhabi.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
But no audience, right?
That's why.
din thomas
Boom!
unidentified
Look at that.
john rallo
He's not even looking at him and avoiding all the punches.
That's the worst.
joe rogan
The other thing about Max, too, is that fucking gas tank.
That gas tank is a weapon.
It's a weapon, man.
The volume in the gas tank.
It's a weapon.
And that power's legit, too.
Max seems to be even more powerful at 55 than he is at 45. That's what I thought.
But my question is, does he maintain that when he gets down to 45?
Like, how hard's that cut?
din thomas
Especially when he went up to 55. He's got plenty of time to kind of time it out.
unidentified
Right.
din thomas
So I think it's going to help him.
joe rogan
I hope so.
I would not want to see him drained at all if he's fighting Ilya.
din thomas
Because Ilya will expose you.
matt serra
Has he at long?
joe rogan
No, his hands.
din thomas
I know.
joe rogan
You see the video of him hitting in mitts?
din thomas
I saw his, even his brother hit like that.
unidentified
Really?
din thomas
I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn.
joe rogan
Bro, he hits mitts like a world champion boxer.
din thomas
Yeah.
matt serra
I was going to say, we haven't seen the other guy tested Ilya, but then again, in his opening fight, he got head kicked.
unidentified
He got dinged.
matt serra
And he came back like a fucking beast.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
And stopped him in the next round.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Ilya's hands are some of the most impressive hands in the sport.
No fat in his technique.
No wasted movements, man.
unidentified
Well, then we'll see who's I was getting ready to say, you're going to find out.
joe rogan
This is good, Jamie, but there's a video that's recently on his Instagram that's fucking insane because he's going full clip trying to show off.
He's working here.
It's all good.
But see if you can find the clip that's on his Instagram page.
His Instagram has an insane video of him just cracking mitts.
We played it on the podcast the other day, remember?
jamie vernon
I just didn't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it right there.
Give me some volume so you can hear this shit.
din thomas
Yeah, that's clean.
Crispy.
joe rogan
Clean.
din thomas
Everything.
joe rogan
No wasted motion, man.
din thomas
But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
din thomas
Like, Max ain't gonna be there for that.
unidentified
Nope.
din thomas
Yeah, Max can't be there for that.
joe rogan
Tall as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if Max can catch him and hurt him the way Jai Herbert did, you know, something sneaky.
And you know Max is prepping, right?
He's watching that guy like a hawk.
matt serra
Does Volkanovsky have anything else on the radar?
joe rogan
No.
din thomas
No.
joe rogan
I think they're waiting to see what happens.
john rallo
Poor Volk.
I mean, that person would like to see him rest a little bit anyway.
joe rogan
I would 100% want to see him rest a lot.
I think after those two...
He should have never taken a 10 days notice fight with Islam.
Never.
Never, never, never, never.
Don't do it.
I don't care how much it's tempting.
And then immediately, three months later, he fights Topuria?
After he gets KO'd with a head kick?
That seems crazy.
john rallo
As soon as I saw that fight, I was like, Are you kidding me, man?
matt serra
No, he was in there for five rounds with him.
He was probably, you know, before that, he probably felt like, you know, I felt it before.
I felt it.
I've seen what's coming.
You know, he took a risk.
john rallo
Look, I don't begrudge him for taking that shot.
I think the second fight was even the bigger mistake because you had just been flatlined.
And now you've got to cut back down and go back out there on such short notice.
joe rogan
Right, but no other sport would want a champion to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days notice.
They would never ask you to do that anywhere else.
That would never happen in boxing.
It's never going to happen in a million years of boxing.
din thomas
For sure.
joe rogan
Never.
din thomas
And it shouldn't.
They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy.
Right.
joe rogan
That's part of it.
john rallo
Plus, all the fighters are still under your control under contract.
joe rogan
It's a bit of a problem.
That's a bit of a problem.
But also, Volkanovski, he had the choice.
john rallo
He's a warrior.
joe rogan
He's a savage.
john rallo
He's going to go do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a savage.
din thomas
We crazy.
joe rogan
We crazy.
din thomas
In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend.
john rallo
Yeah, of course.
matt serra
Hindsight's always 20-20.
john rallo
Trying to build his legacy.
joe rogan
Of course.
And look, that's what Aspinall did and he won the title.
din thomas
Right, exactly.
So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, oh, he shouldn't have took that fight.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
He's fighting Pavlov.
That guy's an animal.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
How's he fighting Pavlich with fucking...
What did he have?
Like, how many days notice did he have?
din thomas
It was like seven days.
joe rogan
Seven days notice.
And a fucked up rib.
Couldn't wrestle.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a wild sport.
Sometimes guys step in on short notice and it's exciting and they win.
The key is never get out of shape.
I think with Volkanovski, he was drinking a lot.
john rallo
You saw physically how he looked for the second Islam fight.
It was dad bod instead of him looking right.
matt serra
I would never take it.
Back in the day, too, I need my camp.
I would never.
Because you should be peaking at the right time.
unidentified
100%.
matt serra
So you can say, when people are like, well, you should always be fight ready.
But yeah, but that's easier said than done.
You could always be in shape, but that's not fight shape.
And you don't know that until you're fucking back into sparring.
Then you're like, ah!
I thought abs, but holy fuck!
john rallo
I think if you're always about four weeks out, that's probably about the right distance.
joe rogan
Right, and you get ten days notice, you might be able to pull it out.
You might be able to pull that out.
And if you maintain a respectable level of cardio, but if you're Volk and you're drinking cheeseburgers, and then you've got to lose all that fucking weight.
matt serra
Nah, I used to be a fatty between shit, too.
When you're staying away from the pizza and pasta for two months, you're like, oh.
joe rogan
Well, everybody says that they develop an eating disorder.
matt serra
How about Patty?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
Patty's the baddie.
john rallo
That's a real eating disorder.
matt serra
Those cheeks on him, he gets huge.
joe rogan
He goes hard.
He gained 40 pounds in a week.
din thomas
God damn.
matt serra
What about when he's retired eventually?
joe rogan
Oh, he's going to be Butterbean.
matt serra
Yeah.
He already beat right between fights.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Butterbean with that crazy hair.
That's him.
unidentified
That's him.
matt serra
He does it proudly, too.
din thomas
He don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Bro, that Bobby Green fight was a big deal.
matt serra
That was a big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a big deal.
matt serra
The way he did that was beautiful, man.
Kept him at kicking range.
And I didn't expect Bobby to shoot, but the second he did, Paddy's got nice jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Very sharp off his back.
And the other thing was, you notice how big he looked, because Bobby's big.
Bobby's not a small 55er, and you realize, damn, he might underestimate how big Paddy is at 55. He's fucking pretty big.
Those kicks were good.
din thomas
He's not a bad fighter.
joe rogan
Bobby's a very good stand-up fighter.
Did Bobby get his legs lit up that quick?
That was a big deal.
john rallo
I expected to see him get tested and he wasn't tested at all.
joe rogan
He got an A+. But do you think he's ready for the top guys now?
Would you put him in there with an Armand Sarukian?
din thomas
I put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint-Denis.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good fight.
din thomas
Yeah.
Winner Moicano.
john rallo
Funny Moicano, baby.
din thomas
Yeah, put him in there with one of them guys.
matt serra
I would love to see him fight Moicano.
Moicano's been going more with his jiu-jitsu lately.
din thomas
Moicano's got really good jiu-jitsu.
matt serra
That's what I'm saying.
din thomas
I saw him ball up Chase Hooper.
In a grappling tournament.
He brought him up.
joe rogan
And how good is that fucking post-fight interview?
john rallo
He's the best.
joe rogan
Give me my fucking money!
matt serra
He's funny.
din thomas
He is.
john rallo
He's on his podcast.
He's funny.
This guy's a character all of a sudden.
unidentified
He's good.
joe rogan
Well, he figured it out, man.
You know, some guys figure it out.
Like, Colby had to figure it out.
He did it his way.
Everybody figures it out.
You figure it out to be a twat.
matt serra
everybody's a retard but there's certain things once you get into fam the second he spoke about Leon Edwards dead father it shows you that he's a fucking piece of shit Kobe you're a fucking piece of shit dude I'm down for none of that when Connor was talking about Poirier's wife come on man that's like I'm finding you on the street
joe rogan
that's why it's so interesting that a guy like Perea gets as high as he gets with none of that.
Zero.
din thomas
Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it.
You don't need to cross that line.
joe rogan
You just need to fuck people up.
You don't even need to speak English.
john rallo
He's got a good social media presence there.
Like, he shows a sense of humor, you know what I mean, on social media, so I think that endears people to him as well.
joe rogan
Bro, and that thing he did when he kicked the soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow?
Do you know how hard that is to do?
matt serra
Wait, what'd he do?
joe rogan
He kicked a soccer ball and then shot it with an arrow.
So he kicks it...
matt serra
Oh, he really shoots arrows?
I thought he was just fucking around.
joe rogan
No, no, he's really good, man.
He's really good at that.
matt serra
That guy's right out of the Amazon, that motherfucker.
joe rogan
But he does that kind of archery.
I don't even do that kind of archery.
I do archery with releases and fucking everything.
It's like this.
He nails it.
And that's before he beat Adesanya.
Listen, give me some volume on this.
Because when he screams, imagine being the neighbor and hearing this.
Here, he hits it.
Imagine being the neighbor.
matt serra
I'm calling 911 right away.
din thomas
Get this guy out of here.
joe rogan
And then you watch him on pay-per-view and like, oh Jesus Christ, you can't even complain.
You can't even say, hey man, I'm trying to take it now.
john rallo
That's pretty sick.
matt serra
Yeah, some guys don't need it.
They don't need that extra fucking whatever it is.
joe rogan
Well, he's got the swag with him as just the stoic warrior coming out and shooting an arrow at you and screaming.
din thomas
Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like, people are attracted to violence.
joe rogan
Yeah.
din thomas
And at the end, like, even Robbie Lawler, like, people love Robbie, and he never said, he hated doing it.
It was the violence that attracted people.
john rallo
Talking about wars, him and both Rory McDonald fights.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
john rallo
Him and Carlos Kahn.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
john rallo
Right?
joe rogan
Him and Melvin Manhoof.
din thomas
Remember that?
john rallo
That was a one-way ass-whipping until he uncorked.
joe rogan
Uncorked a fucking bomb.
john rallo
That was crazy.
He was kicking Robbie's leg so bad it was lifting his leg up in the air.
matt serra
He's probably having flashbacks of Pete Spratt.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's right.
Remember that?
People forgot about Pete Spratt.
john rallo
He was a good striker.
joe rogan
Very good striker.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
What a crazy time this sport has gone through.
In all these years, this fight was so horrible to watch, man.
These guys were so busted up.
Look at Rory's nose.
It's gone.
john rallo
It's just flattened.
matt serra
That's how it ends.
joe rogan
He just can't take it anymore.
john rallo
His head split open, his lips split open.
joe rogan
Yeah, his lips hanging off.
din thomas
This is easily the best fight of all time, right?
joe rogan
I'm certainly in the conversation.
matt serra
Robbie, he left nice.
He knocked out, I forgot who he finished.
joe rogan
Nico Price.
matt serra
And then he went off to the sunset.
joe rogan
And he knocked him out without taking a shot.
matt serra
And that's so easy to say, I want one more after that.
joe rogan
But he's going to be a great coach too, and I'm sure he is.
But he's also a guy like, you want that guy to be proud of you.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's Robbie Law.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
There's something to that if you're getting coached by a guy like that.
Look at his face, man.
unidentified
Look at that.
matt serra
Stay in school, kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
There you go.
joe rogan
You better really know what you want if you're going to do this for a living.
matt serra
Yeah, dude.
din thomas
And you got to look across and see that shit?
john rallo
Right, yeah.
matt serra
This guy's got a fucking joker smile on him.
joe rogan
He's ready to go to war for the fucking final round.
john rallo
What a sick fight.
matt serra
Ah, shit.
joe rogan
We've seen some wild fights, boys.
matt serra
We're going to see some wild ones this weekend.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm excited.
I don't know what's going to happen in the main event.
I know you're partial to Merab, but I just don't know what's going to happen.
I'm very interested.
Very interested.
matt serra
He gets past that first round.
john rallo
He's got to keep them hands up.
matt serra
He hits one clinch.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be very interesting.
matt serra
They're saying he needs one shot.
I'm saying Merab needs one clinch.
Not to end the fight, but to do enough damage.
joe rogan
I feel like Sugar is a better striker than Marlon.
And Marlon had Merab in trouble.
And that's what gives me pause on the feet.
Like, you can only take so many of those sniper shots from Sugar.
But can he land them?
And can Merab keep moving and keep threatening and pressure?
You know...
The argument is, there's one guy who's going to win by taking him down and smashing him, and the other guy's going to win by knocking him out on the feet, and we don't know what's going to play out.
It's going to be interesting.
matt serra
It's going to be fucking phenomenal.
john rallo
The thing that I think that Sean does well, like he got Aljo with it, is, I mean, you know Rob's going to be pressuring because he has to beat him.
Sean took out Aljo backing up.
You know what I mean?
A lot of guys can't fight moving backwards.
He does have the ability to fight moving backwards.
joe rogan
He's also a great game planner.
Him and Tim Welch have a great relationship.
They study shit.
They find holes.
You know, they knew that Aljo has this tendency to get a little over-anxious and charge in, and he was ready for that.
I'm just interested to see if he can capitalize, because if he can't, if Merab can get a hold of him, Merab's just a different kind of Wolverine on top of you.
john rallo
I think he needs one round, mushing him in the fence, just wear him out, kind of like GSP did with BJ. Wear him out a little bit, slow him down a little bit, and then you can put the pace on him.
joe rogan
It's going to be very exciting.
matt serra
Some guys are afraid of extending too much energy on a takedown.
He's not going to.
And that same energy you felt in the first, you're going to feel in the fifth.
That's what we're dealing with.
john rallo
I'm rooting for Marab.
I like him.
I think he's great.
joe rogan
Having a gas tank is such a weapon.
matt serra
It's another weapon in the arsenal.
joe rogan
It really is.
john rallo
Might be the most important, because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it?
joe rogan
And Maram's one of them nutty dudes at Spars up until the day of the fight, right?
matt serra
I've seen that guy clocking rounds.
That was just ridiculous.
I'm like, wait, he already did five rounds?
Why is he going back?
It's insane what he does.
It's not normal.
And...
And again, I think that if he doesn't get caught with that perfect shot, he's a hard guy to put away.
And he's not going to stop.
He's a little Terminator.
joe rogan
And he also knows this is his big moment.
din thomas
Yeah.
matt serra
Also, the pressure is not going to...
He's not...
I've already...
When he was going to fight the P.D. On...
When he had that P.D. On fight, before that fight got on the table, when they were talking about it, he told me...
unidentified
I was like, I don't know.
matt serra
He didn't...
Until he accepted it, he was like, There's so much pressure in this fight.
He goes, you know, the history between Georgia and Russia, he goes, this is not just a fight for me.
If I lose this, he was so, the pressure was so much, I can't even tell you.
That's one of my proudest things.
When he took that fight and the way he handled it, he was different in that fight.
Even the lead up, he's calling him a bitch.
He's dealing with the Russian bully.
And so when he won that...
That was like the title fight for me.
john rallo
He whooped his ass, too.
It was a dominant performance.
joe rogan
That was a wake-up call for everybody in the division.
He can do that to Jan.
Jan's a strong motherfucker, man.
john rallo
And Rob was able to stand with guys like Jan and things, so he's definitely not...
He's definitely not incapable there.
joe rogan
No, he can fuck you up on the feet, too.
And that's part of the problem with the guy who's trying to take you down all the time.
unidentified
You're always ready for that.
joe rogan
And then these bombs are coming your way.
john rallo
Get off a few.
joe rogan
But Sean is such a fucking sniper, and he's so agile.
unidentified
His movement is crazy.
joe rogan
Switching stances, fighting just as good off the left as off the right.
You can switch stances in the middle of a combination, choose angles.
It's just, can he keep that fucking animal off of him?
matt serra
And they're both extremely confident.
I love that shit.
joe rogan
It's exciting.
john rallo
It's a real clash of styles.
joe rogan
So many fucking good fights these days, man.
What a good time to be a fan, right?
matt serra
Fuck yeah, man.
john rallo
We're spoiled.
joe rogan
We're so spoiled.
The most.
john rallo
I mean, and boxing's making a little comeback, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
john rallo
Once Gervonta and Ryan Garcia got it on, now it seems like they're starting to make some more fights.
joe rogan
Well, the Saudis.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt serra
They added all the money.
joe rogan
Let's go!
john rallo
They're bringing the money.
What do you think of them?
I mean, are they really doing Canelo for 20 bucks or something?
You saw what they were saying?
joe rogan
On the pay-per-view?
It's only $20?
john rallo
Don't quote me, but the prince who runs that Riyadh stuff said he's going to make all pay-per-views $20 because he believes that it would make it more, expose it to more people, grow the audience, we'd still make money, and everybody will be able to watch it.
joe rogan
I wonder how many more people would buy it if it's $20 rather than $70.
They might make their money.
john rallo
I mean, it's what he's saying.
He said he might even do Canelo for free.
din thomas
He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.
joe rogan
They might.
$70 is a lot.
Isn't it $79?
john rallo
Sometimes it's more than that.
It's a lot.
joe rogan
If it's $20, I wonder.
It'd be an interesting thing to try.
din thomas
Yeah.
I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo.
unidentified
I thought they were starting with Betterbeef, but that's a fight.
john rallo
And nobody even knows.
din thomas
They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks.
john rallo
Nobody even knows about them.
They should know these two.
joe rogan
I know.
john rallo
I mean, they're both sick, sick boxers.
joe rogan
Isn't Betterbeef 20-0 with 20 knockouts?
john rallo
Yeah.
din thomas
Yeah.
matt serra
But he's 39. I don't even watch the fucking boxing, to be honest.
I can't watch it after the MMA. I just watch the fights.
It's hard for me.
john rallo
I mean, I pick my spots.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see Ben Whitaker?
matt serra
Who?
joe rogan
Ben Whittaker?
matt serra
No, Ben Whittaker?
joe rogan
You know who Ben Whittaker is?
That dude who's got that crazy drunken style.
din thomas
He's awesome.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
Big, tall, light heavyweight.
He's got this wild style.
john rallo
90 bucks.
Hey, Canelo.
matt serra
So much for you at $20, right?
unidentified
Next time.
john rallo
Oh, it's out there.
joe rogan
Next time, 20 bucks.
john rallo
You can find the article.
joe rogan
That was 20. Joshua versus Dubois.
matt serra
There you go.
jamie vernon
After you pay for the pay-per-view.
joe rogan
It should be 15. Oh, that's a good deal.
So you pay for the pay-per-view and then other fights are 20 bucks.
john rallo
20 bucks.
matt serra
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
That's a good deal.
john rallo
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
All right, gentlemen, this was a lot of fun.
matt serra
Oh, man.
joe rogan
So, Protect Your Neck, that's our new name.
din thomas
Yeah, that's it?
joe rogan
That's it.
Way better than Cucks.
din thomas
I think so.
joe rogan
But our chat group is still Cucks.
Change it!
unidentified
Change it!
john rallo
When that pops up, I get a kick out of that every time I say that.
joe rogan
I'm going to change it to protect your neck.
All right.
Gentlemen, tell everybody where they can see your new podcast, and thank you for doing it.
I'm very glad you're doing it.
matt serra
Dude, thank you for pushing me and planting that seed in my mind.
The Matt Serra channel on YouTube...
Geeking Out with Matt Serra.
And I have a good time.
It's once a week.
You're going to see me, Phoenix Carnival, doing X-Men movies.
Me and Ray Longo talking about our top five gangster movies.
joe rogan
And you said it's on everything else, too?
It's on Spotify.
matt serra
It's on YouTube.
unidentified
Oh, there it is!
matt serra
The first episode dropped today.
din thomas
So I knew you was going to ask me this, so I had the Oscar award this shit.
unidentified
Oh, man.
din thomas
You can catch me at the Modern Roads in Hollywood, Florida, or you can catch me on MMA Today on SiriusXM's Fight Nation, Theoretically Speaking on ESPN West Palm, Fight Court on YouTube, Laura Sanko's One-on-One, and I'm also partnering with Valerie Energy Drinks.
My film brotherhood is making its way around the film festival circuit, and if you got beef with me, see me in the street.
john rallo
I like the last part.
joe rogan
John Rallo.
john rallo
Yep.
I have Ground Control back home.
Anybody looking to train any mixed martial arts, it's at B-More MMA. And also Shogun Fights, which we have another show coming up on October the 5th.
And I'm getting ready to open a gym, probably within a month or so, called Fit Factory.
So keep your eyes out for that.
joe rogan
Boom.
Beautiful.
All right, gentlemen.
Thank you very much.
This is always fun.
Good times.
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