Oct. 25, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! | ||
| What's up, Bo? | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Good, how are you doing? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| I was going to ask you, we were just looking at that photo of Corellon and talking about the Soviet program and the doping program. | ||
| Did you ever see that movie, Icarus? | ||
| Yeah, I did watch that. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I thought it was just insane, too, how it didn't even really start off the way that it ended. | ||
| Like, he wasn't even really trying to, like, figure all this stuff out. | ||
| He just, like, fell into it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Total dumb luck. | ||
| Yeah, but, I mean, since I wrestled my whole life and stuff and pay attention to the international scene, it's like... | ||
| It's not really a secret. | ||
| Everybody kind of knows, right? | ||
| That's the first legitimate, real proof that somebody's kind of come out with. | ||
| But everybody kind of knew that's what's going on. | ||
| That was so insane, though, that they had a hole in the wall where they were handing through the dirty urine and getting back clean urine and then submitting that. | ||
| And if it wasn't for micro-analysis of the jars, then they realized, oh, the Soviets had figured out, well, it wasn't the Soviets, it was the Russians, had figured out some way To open up these unopenable jars because they had scratched them in little places. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they want to win really bad. | ||
| And it's like, for them too, it's a different level. | ||
| The guys that won that were very successful maybe 10, 15, 20 years ago, those guys are like big government positions and stuff. | ||
| In the U.S., You win the Olympics in wrestling, you win like a quarter million bucks, and it's a big deal for like a month, and then you kind of move on. | ||
| But over there, it's like you're kind of set for life. | ||
| So it's like, yeah, it's a completely different kind of motivation, I think. | ||
| What is it like competing when you know that there's like state-sponsored programs that are involved in these other countries doping up their athletes? | ||
| It's pretty weird, you know? | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Because, like I said, I kind of grew up... | ||
| You grow up with an understanding of it, knowing this is kind of the way it works. | ||
| You're ready for it, you're prepared, you understand. | ||
| And I'm sure I've competed against a lot of guys that were doping and doing stuff, but the one experience that I had that was like... | ||
| Really kind of prominent in my mind. | ||
| So I wrestled this dude. | ||
| I wrestled a tournament in Rome. | ||
| This was a few years ago. | ||
| And I was trying to go up from... | ||
| I was in between weights. | ||
| So my weight was 86 kilos or 97 kilos. | ||
| And I was kind of having a little trouble with my lower back. | ||
| So I was like, I don't want to cut. | ||
| I just want to get bigger. | ||
| And so I came in and I was weighing like 210, which the weight class is 213, 97 kilos. | ||
| And I was like, I'll be fine. | ||
| I'll be good. | ||
| And I rolled up to this second round match and I was wrestling this Iranian dude. | ||
| And my coaches weren't there with me, so I had some different coaches, and they didn't really warn me who this dude was. | ||
| I had wrestled the number one Iranian guy a few months earlier, and I tech-faulted him. | ||
| I killed him. | ||
| So I was like, I'm a smasher steeler. | ||
| I don't give a crap. | ||
| This dude comes out. | ||
| He's like two inches taller than me, freaking jacked as hell, and does a forward roll and squat jump, and his feet are over my head. | ||
| And I'm like, what the hell is going on here? | ||
| And we're just this random tournament in Rome, and I'm wrestling some dude that I don't even know, and he killed me. | ||
| It's the only time I've ever wrestled a match where I really got whipped. | ||
| Single leg took me down, gut-wrenched me, and he came down from probably like 235. He was way bigger than me. | ||
| And then I got off the mat, and I was like, what the just happened? | ||
| And then the coach was like, oh yeah, this guy was... | ||
| World silver medalist, world bronze medalist like five years ago, but the last five years he got banned, he got popped, and so he hadn't competed in five years, he'd just been freaking training and juiced. | ||
| And then he actually, the next round, he beat my teammate Kyle Snyder, who was an Olympic gold medalist, the exact same way, like smoked us both. | ||
| And I was like, what the hell is going on here? | ||
| So then World Championship that year comes along, and now they're getting tested, and he went 0-1. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was like, alright. | ||
| So I kind of felt bad about myself at first. | ||
| I was like, damn, I suck. | ||
| And then I was like, alright, well, it is what it is. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Have you ever heard of the enhanced games? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a thing they're trying to do where I guess what they're doing is they're allowing athletes and they're going to do it at the same time as the Olympics. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they're allowing athletes to juice and they're doing it supposedly responsibly with doctors involved and they're trying to break all the records. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like it. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| And just be honest about it. | ||
| Like, yo, this is the deal. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| Let's freaking see how far we can go. | ||
| Because, I mean, I think that's, I don't know. | ||
| I like, that stuff's interesting to me. | ||
| The optimization of, like, human performance, right? | ||
| Like, how far can you get? | ||
| So, like, let's do it. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting, right? | ||
| Because, like, you think about that guy, the Iranian that you wrestled. | ||
| How much of an advantage is it? | ||
| You never know because a guy like that's probably been juicing his entire athletic career. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But what is the advantage? | ||
| Do you ever wonder? | ||
| I've thought about it as far as the advantages. | ||
| I never have been interested in trying anything like that. | ||
| It's not really the culture. | ||
| What I'm around in wrestling, in American wrestling, nobody does that. | ||
| Well, I won't say nobody, but... | ||
| 99% of guys really aren't doing that especially as we get tested a lot like in collegiate athletics and stuff and It's just something that is kind of very looked down upon in what we do but it is interesting to think about like What would I be like if I was doing these things? | ||
| I can compete at such a high level already, and I think that my biggest asset in wrestling and in fighting is my mind. | ||
| Imagine my body. | ||
| And I think that with time, I'm very disciplined and do things a certain way. | ||
| I'm going to get to it as close as I can be. | ||
| But there is this other level that's kind of unnatural where it's interesting to think about, but while I'm competing and stuff, it's obviously not an option. | ||
| But at the end of the day, I probably have competed against a lot of guys that are juiced up, and we'll see what the UFC's drug testing program is like since USADA's over at the end of the year. | ||
| It is what it is, man. | ||
| I'm pretty confident in myself regardless. | ||
| If I've got to fight a dude that's juiced up and you're willing to take a backdoor to try to get an advantage and win, I think that you're probably cutting corners in a lot of other areas as well, which I'm not doing. | ||
| That's something that... | ||
| I feel okay with. | ||
| The thing is when the guy's not cutting corners and juicing and has talent. | ||
| I just think that if they're willing to do that, if they're willing to go outside the rules and do that, to me that's kind of like they're trying to get an unfair advantage. | ||
| That's kind of a character thing. | ||
| They want to get that advantage. | ||
| To me that means they're Fearful that they wouldn't be able to do it without it. | ||
| Yeah, they might be doing everything right, but I know that in their mind, there's a little weakness there to me. | ||
| And I can take advantage of that and capitalize on that because at the end of the day, I'm going to do every single little thing right. | ||
| I'm going to make sure my sleep's on point, make sure my nutrition's on point. | ||
| And not only am I going to do this for a camp, but I'm doing this all the time. | ||
| And I've been doing this since I was a little kid. | ||
| So take what you want, do all that stuff, but you're not going to outwork 20-plus years in the short amount of time that you have to prepare for me. | ||
| So that's kind of my mindset around it. | ||
| It's just the reality of the situation. | ||
| I'm going to fight guys that are probably doing stuff that I'm not doing. | ||
| Well, I believe that the new UFC drug doping program is going to be real similar to USADA. They're just not going to do the dumb shit like wake people up the morning of the weigh-ins and things along those lines. | ||
| Unfortunately, they're still not going to let them take certain things that just like peptides, things that will enhance their body's ability to heal, which I really think they should. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like BPC, 157, stuff like that. | ||
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's stuff out there that it's not really like hormonal changes. | ||
| It's not giving you that type of advantage. | ||
| It's just helping you get healthy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We all want to be healthy and healthy. | ||
| For me, that comes from diet, from supplements, from nutrition. | ||
| I'm doing everything I can and I still finish some sessions and I'm like, frick. | ||
| I got a freaking black eye right now. | ||
| Like, it's not like, you know, we're not putting our bodies through a lot. | ||
| You're putting your bodies through so much. | ||
| I mean, it's literally a sport about breaking other people's bodies with your body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the most insane thing to pursue for a career. | ||
| I think about it sometimes, and I have this part of me that's pretty... | ||
| Pretty rational. | ||
| And I think like, you know, all right, I'm going out in front of all these people and like putting my health on the line and this and that. | ||
| And at the end of the day, it's like, you know, you look out of a business perspective and it's almost like a circus, right? | ||
| Like, you know, I'm putting myself out there and it's entertainment. | ||
| But like I'm the one that has the real consequences and stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, why am I doing this? | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| And then the other part of me, the bigger part of me is like, I love this shit. | ||
| This is the best. | ||
| Let's do it again, again, again. | ||
| So it's a constant battle inside your mind. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I'm a college graduate. | ||
| I had a lot of opportunities. | ||
| There's a lot of things I could be doing. | ||
| I could be pretty much doing anything. | ||
| I could be... | ||
| You know, coaching, I could be in business, I could be doing whatever I want to do, but I'm choosing to do this, and there's a lot more consequences on the negative end of what I'm doing now, but I just freaking love it. | ||
| I just love it so much. | ||
| Well, the victory, the feeling of victory has got to just be the ultimate payoff for all that. | ||
| It's unreal, man. | ||
| So, you know, I mean, you've fought, so you understand. | ||
| But, like, when I was wrestling and I would pin somebody in front of, you know, 10, 20,000 people and the crowd's going nuts, freaking out, this and that, it's like... | ||
| That's an amazing feeling. | ||
| And then, come to the UFC, that same big stage, even bigger stage, millions of people watching worldwide, knock a guy out cold, it's like, phew, you can't beat that. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| When did you decide, or when did you even entertain the idea of transitioning to MMA? So, I always loved fighting, and I was always a fan of the UFC. I probably started watching when I was, I don't know, 11, 12. It was something with my family, we'd go to Buffalo Wild Wings on Saturday, we'd watch the fights, or we'd get the pay-per-view at home. | ||
| It was always something that I was like, I could do that. | ||
| Me and my friends would fight and stuff, or we'd fight other kids just for fun. | ||
| So it was always something that was kind of in the back of my mind. | ||
| You know, really through high school, through early college, I'm wrestling. | ||
| I'm focused on wrestling. | ||
| And then I did a camp in Missouri, and I was teaching wrestling all day. | ||
| And then this dad came up to me and was like, hey man, we're doing a jiu-jitsu class after this. | ||
| Would you want to come and try it out? | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, sure. | ||
| Like, I'm down. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| And so I go in, and they just kind of... | ||
| I rolled around with all the guys, and I was like, dude, this is fun. | ||
| Like, I love this. | ||
| I'm really into... | ||
| I have to fight. | ||
| It was just that one class kind of... | ||
| One class? | ||
| Well, I was always interested in it, and I'd always play around. | ||
| And then I actually, like, kind of... | ||
| I hadn't done it for a while, like, played around at all. | ||
| And then the guy invited me, and I'm just, like, about it. | ||
| Like, what if somebody's like, yo, come do this? | ||
| I'm like, let's go. | ||
| And so it was just super fun to... | ||
| Do something different. | ||
| And that was probably in between my sophomore and junior year. | ||
| And I was like, dude, I'm gonna do this. | ||
| I'm gonna see this wrestling thing through to where I feel comfortable and ready to move on, and then I'm fighting. | ||
| I just knew I wanted to do it. | ||
| So was that jujitsu class, was that the first thing outside of wrestling you'd done in combat sports? | ||
| I had done like, so this is actually kind of funny, when I was like 12 or something, no I was probably younger, I was probably like 10 or 11, there was a jiu-jitsu tournament at a high school that, my high school, so my dad was a high school wrestling coach, and this jiu-jitsu, it was like Naga or something, they wanted to put on a tournament at the high school, and so my dad set it up, like put all the mats in and stuff, and I was like, why don't you enter? | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Okay, I don't know anything. | ||
| I've never trained, nothing. | ||
| And he was like, just do it. | ||
| And so I did that tournament and I actually won. | ||
| But I never trained or anything. | ||
| You just won with wrestling? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'd watched UFC, so I knew, alright, the guy's going to try to guillotine me, or he's going to try to get my back, and I'm just like, don't let him do that. | ||
| And again, I played around. | ||
| Just watching stuff on TV, you can learn a few things. | ||
| And so I did the tournament, and that was it. | ||
| So I never trained. | ||
| Did you get any submissions? | ||
| Um... | ||
| I think I submitted a kit. | ||
| Yeah, what's this called, but like in a front headlock? | ||
| I forget the submission. | ||
| Oh, like a power guillotine? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, like that. | ||
| So I submitted the first dude like this. | ||
| And then after that, I just kind of took the guys down and held them down and stuff. | ||
| And actually in the finals, it was a tough match because I went against a kid who I had competitive. | ||
| He wrestled as well. | ||
| And I had competitive wrestling matches with him. | ||
| Not that competitive. | ||
| I would kind of whip him in wrestling. | ||
| But he also trained jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And right away he pulled guard. | ||
| And I was like, what the... | ||
| But he knew good wrestling, so I couldn't really do anything to him. | ||
| And I didn't know the rules at all, so he was winning on advantage, but then I somehow got past his guard at the very end, and then they gave me a point and I won. | ||
| But... | ||
| Really, that was it up until my second, third year in college, and I did that class. | ||
| When did you start striking? | ||
| I had a buddy, a good buddy. | ||
| He's actually the boxing coach now at my gym. | ||
| He was a collegiate national champion in boxing. | ||
| I did like... | ||
| Pads with him over COVID like once or twice. | ||
| But I really started actually training striking, like getting into it. | ||
| I started MMA training full-time August of 2021. That's when I started. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| So you've really only been seriously striking for two years. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I feel like I just like it. | ||
| It's fun, so I study it a lot. | ||
| I'm always watching film. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, your last performance, man, like, the thing about, you know, watching you fight inside the octagon, like, everybody knows how good of a wrestler you are. | ||
| So they're looking for that. | ||
| But in the last fight, I was like, oh, shit! | ||
| Like, distance management, your ability to slide out of range and then explode back into range and timing with punches... | ||
| Look how you've been boxing forever. | ||
| Really, it was very impressive. | ||
| And I know the guy came in on short notice. | ||
| He's small for the weight class. | ||
| But dude, you looked fucking great. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, I felt like, you know, people say, you know, about the matchup, this and that. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| Well, I did what I was supposed to do. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was totally out of your control. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so I feel like I was just excited that I got to fight because I thought I was done. | ||
| Who was supposed to fight you? | ||
| It was Treshawn Gore. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| What happened to him? | ||
| He hurt, I don't know, it hurt his wrist or his thumb or something. | ||
| But honestly, as soon as they announced it, I was like, freak. | ||
| I had a feeling. | ||
| He was talking crazy, saying he was going to give me brain damage, all this stuff. | ||
| I was like, alright bud, we'll see. | ||
| And then I was like, this dude freaking pulled out after saying all this stuff. | ||
| I kind of expected it, but then the new guy came in and I was just, like you said, grateful I got a fight. | ||
| Yeah, you know, the actual fight, the plan was to take him down, sub him, you know. | ||
| Of course, like, that's my wheelhouse. | ||
| But I have great, great coaches, you know, for striking. | ||
| I work with the dude I was telling you, his name's Moose, collegiate national champion boxing. | ||
| Grew up in Philly, probably had 70, 80 amateur boxing fights. | ||
| And so that's who I'm, like, training with and who's teaching me every day. | ||
| And then I work with another guy, his name's Barry Robinson. | ||
| You should check him out. | ||
| He's on Instagram, a millionstylesboxing.com. | ||
| Dude's an amazing, amazing striking coach. | ||
| He lives in Thailand now, but I brought him out to PA for a few weeks and he worked with me on a lot of stuff. | ||
| Dude, all my stuff is just from them. | ||
| I want to utilize my wrestling, but it's a fight. | ||
| Everybody's nervous. | ||
| I'm going to take him down, this and that. | ||
| When I go in there, I have the hours and the reps of training this way in the striking. | ||
| That's what comes out. | ||
| I think that That's my mindset now with fighting. | ||
| I got the ultimate cheat code with wrestling. | ||
| So use that to my advantage, whatever it looks like. | ||
| Whether it's actually wrestling, take a guy down, hold him down, or whether it's the threat of it. | ||
| And that's where I feel like it's a psychological battle where the guy's so worried. | ||
| If you saw, I just did a little feint, dude dropped his hand, and I was like, alright, you're done, bro. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And then... | ||
| Then after that, it was kind of funny because I hit him and I saw him wobble. | ||
| I was like, in my mind, you're making so many decisions in that split second. | ||
| But I was thinking, okay, I could take him down, I could back off, or just go in for the kill. | ||
| And that's just my nature to go for the kill. | ||
| So then just took him out. | ||
| When you have that wrestling base, it is such a giant advantage. | ||
| I always tell any young athlete that that is the 100% best foundation for Because you get to choose whether a fight is standing or on the ground, and then there's the threat of that. | ||
| And the threat of that has so many consequences in terms of how your opponent's going to react and what they're going to do. | ||
| You were talking about that feint. | ||
| It's so gigantic, man. | ||
| Because a guy always has it in the back of their head that you might take him down, but you don't ever have that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not worried about it at all. | ||
| Freedom. | ||
| Yeah, I would say in the actual flight, the biggest advantage is the psychology of... | ||
| Them feeling threatened, feeling pressured, feeling nervous, like, shit, if I get taken down, I'm probably not getting back up. | ||
| Like, I can't get taken down. | ||
| Now that's what they're focused on, rather than winning the fight. | ||
| And, you know, of course, you know, the actual skills that come with that, of being able to implement that, the game plan, and do it is big, but if you ever notice and you watch guys fight or compete, especially in training, if you see one guy's a little more tense, a little more nervous, a little, like, more reacting, That's such a big part of how much energy you spend in the overall time of the fight. | ||
| I noticed when I got a lot better at wrestling and when I started pinning a lot more guys was when I just relaxed. | ||
| It was like this huge thing for me because I pinned a lot of guys growing up and got a lot of pins, but Then in college, guys get a little better. | ||
| They learn how to hold you off a little better. | ||
| And so I would use all my energy, all my strength, try to throw them on their back. | ||
| And a lot of times I would. | ||
| And so I'd get up, you know, a bunch of points. | ||
| But then towards the end, I'd get a little tired. | ||
| I wouldn't finish as strong. | ||
| Instead of just what I figured out later in my career was, all right, I'm just going to relax. | ||
| I'm just going to move you around. | ||
| Just get into position, pull you, push you, fake. | ||
| And I'm very relaxed. | ||
| Okay, you shoot. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| I'm going to down block, run around you. | ||
| And then... | ||
| When I have my opportunity, maybe you're fading a little bit, now I overwhelm you. | ||
| Versus trying to do that when we're both fresh. | ||
| So that's where I feel like in a fight, it's 15 minutes, really long time. | ||
| I don't got to overwhelm you in the first minute. | ||
| I can just be relaxed, move, catch your jab, check your kicks. | ||
| Set you up, and then wham! | ||
| And then overwhelm you when the time comes. | ||
| And I'm very relaxed because, like you said, you're going to shoot on me? | ||
| Dude, you shoot on me, the fight's over. | ||
| I'm going to win. | ||
| As soon as I catch somebody shooting on me, it's like, you're done. | ||
| So that's what I want them to. | ||
| But more than likely, that's never going to happen. | ||
| So they're going to be very tense, nervous, worrying about that stuff. | ||
| So that's kind of how I feel about the wrestling advantage. | ||
| Exactly like you said, it's so big to have that comfort and confidence. | ||
| Yeah, and that knowledge of when to hit the gas and when to be relaxed, that plays such a critical factor when you move from three to five rounds as well. | ||
| So when a guy is a champion and a guy has been fighting most, like a John Jones type guy, has been fighting five rounders for a decade plus, for a guy like him, he has almost like an internal sense. | ||
| Of when to hit the gas and what to do and how much energy he has. | ||
| Yeah, it's such a big thing, man. | ||
| Wrestling, the longest match is seven minutes. | ||
| It's not even half of a normal fight. | ||
| And then to go from 15 to 25, that's a huge jump. | ||
| So that's something I'm definitely preparing for in my mind. | ||
| And I think that fighting can become such an emotional thing. | ||
| People get baited into fighting a certain way that it's so important to be disciplined. | ||
| Obviously, you actually have to have the training and the base and the cardio to be able to do that, then to also implement it in front of millions of people and all the pressures on you. | ||
| And now there's this other guy who's a monster coming at you, trying to knock you out. | ||
| You know, you got to be a certain type of person, I think, and have a certain mindset to be able to be disciplined and calm and stoic in that fire, right? | ||
| Because you could have all the cardio in the world, but if you go 100% for two and a half minutes, you can't do that for 25, right? | ||
| You're going to lose it no matter what, even if you have the training. | ||
| So keeping cool in that situation, I think, is almost equally as important. | ||
| Yeah, we've seen that in so many fights where guys get really emotional and they really try to hit the gas in the first round. | ||
| And then you see in the second round, they've already blown their wad. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I'm glad that I was able to learn exactly that in wrestling, where, you know, the stakes are lower. | ||
| And, you know, you don't really... | ||
| Being tired in a fight is pretty much the worst thing that you could be, right? | ||
| Like, you know, you got a guy who's a little more fresh than you, who's popping you a jab, who's kicking your legs, you know, pushing you up against the fence. | ||
| It's like, you do not want to be tired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's hell. | ||
| A good example is Sean Strickland and Adesanya. | ||
| Sean wasn't tired at all. | ||
| When you get to the end of the round and the end of the fight, you see Adesanya is just beat up and tired and Sean's just constant pressure on him. | ||
| Yeah, I would say that my assessment is you've got to be good at everything, but cardio is a real X factor in MMA, almost more so than any other sport, just because you can just put that on somebody, and if they can't sustain it, As long as you don't get knocked out in the first few minutes, they're just going to fade and you're going to gain that energy and eventually you're going to kind of overpower them. | ||
| It's the way that it works and it happens time and time again. | ||
| It happens so often in MMA. How the fuck did you get so good at striking so quick? | ||
| Did you have any fucking around with your friends, hitting the bag, anything when you were younger, hitting mitts? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, nothing. | ||
| That's really very unusual. | ||
| Yeah, I think that really it's two things. | ||
| Again, my coaches, the guys I work with, they're incredible. | ||
| So knowledgeable, experienced, and not only, like I said, I have these guys holding pads for me and coaching me, but the guy Moose, I get to spar with him. | ||
| How many MMA fighters have a guy that's a collegiate national champion with 80... | ||
| Amateur boxing fights as their main sparring partner. | ||
| Most guys in MMA are striking other MMA fighters. | ||
| So I know if I'm hanging in there with him and I can move and defend and hit him with some shots, what are these guys going to do to me? | ||
| So that's kind of where I started. | ||
| And then I love, I just love it. | ||
| Like I watch so much film. | ||
| I'm watching boxing. | ||
| I'm watching Muay Thai. | ||
| I'm watching kickboxing. | ||
| I'm always studying, always watching breakdowns. | ||
| And that's another thing that I learned from wrestling where I think I had a big leg up on people because I was studying it like a science almost at a young age. | ||
| Watching Kale Sanderson, you know, when I was eight years old, watching Satieff Brothers, watching, you know, multiple-time world champions. | ||
| Every tournament, and my dad was a coach, so I'd be at every high school wrestling tournament watching, and I absorbed a lot of information from that. | ||
| And so I just took those principles, and now I apply them to MMA. So, you know, it's not unusual for me to... | ||
| Study four or five hours of film in a week where, yeah, maybe I can't train an extra four or five hours, but now I have this extra four or five hours on top of the competition that, you know, these guys, I don't think they're really willing to do that, to put that time in. | ||
| When you are watching film and you're studying, like, how are you doing this? | ||
| Are you taking notes? | ||
| Are you just watching it and mentally making notes? | ||
| Or are you writing things down? | ||
| Are you specifically looking at specific types like Ernesto Hoost or Sanchai? | ||
| How are you doing it? | ||
| I do it two different ways. | ||
| Sometimes I'll watch just kind of as I won't say entertainment because it's not purely entertainment, but I'll just watch and enjoy and appreciate the art. | ||
| And I'll just look at it like, wow, that was amazing. | ||
| Oh, look at this technique he did. | ||
| And kind of, you know, be more on the creative side of, you know, trying to think about things in that way. | ||
| And then other times I can be very analytical and break things down and look at positioning and kind of start from the ground up where I see how they move into a position that puts them at an advantage. | ||
| Now their opponent has to react or counter a certain way or stay in a spot. | ||
| Now that gives them time to see, think, decide what they're going to do. | ||
| And really I learned a lot of my film study habits in the analytical sense from the guys was telling me about Barry Robinson. | ||
| He is, to me, the best film study breakdown guy there is. | ||
| So I'll do stuff on my own. | ||
| I'll also do stuff with him where I'll say, hey, I want to look at Southpaw Orthodox matchups, or I want to look at how somebody effectively counters a big right hand, or a good example of a guy that checks kicks, or a good example of a guy that manages the clock. | ||
| So we'll look at all these specific things and then he will help me break them down analytically and then I just kind of take some of the stuff that I learned from him and I do it on my own as well. | ||
| It's such an interesting thing to see a guy coming from that analytical approach to wrestling where you become incredibly successful and then just apply that to other combat sports because I think there's a lot of young athletes, unfortunately, that I don't think they maximize their time. | ||
| I think they show up and train and they train hard, but I don't necessarily think they're doing it systematically and technically and breaking things down. | ||
| They're just trying to be good instead of really focusing on very specific aspects. | ||
| And when you did that your whole life with wrestling, applying that to striking just seems kind of natural. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And I think the most important word that you said in that statement was systematically. | ||
| You have to put a system together, right? | ||
| Everybody can go learn a combination. | ||
| Everybody can go learn how to throw a kick to the body or how to do a technique. | ||
| But if you don't have a system and you don't have a way to apply it in actual competition, then there's really no point to what you're learning. | ||
| And I think the MMA, the culture of MMA, It's such a new sport, one, but it's such a tough guy mentality sport of, you know, let's bang, bro, like, let's get in there, let's do this, and it's, you know, that's not really, to me, I see fighting moving in a different direction. | ||
| I see it moving in a way, and I hope to push it more towards an analytical, professional way to go about your sport, the way that NFL quarterback plays. | ||
| Reads a defense. | ||
| You hear an NBA basketball player talk about offenses, schemes, setting it up. | ||
| That's not the way an MMA fighter talks about fighting. | ||
| And I hope to move MMA into a more professional realm where now we can look at things, we can systematize, we can break stuff down, we can analyze, and then it's gonna make everyone better. | ||
| It's gonna improve the overall sport. | ||
| And I think that when you talk that way too, It appeals to a much broader audience, and it'll get more eyes on the sport, which is also very positive. | ||
| What 40-year-old mom wants to hear guys talking about just crushing each other's faces and heads and this and that? | ||
| But maybe that 40-year-old mom will listen to an interview where Tom Brady talks about being a quarterback. | ||
| You can appreciate it a little more. | ||
| That's kind of the way that I look at it. | ||
| A lot of it comes from my background in wrestling and just the way that I've approached that sport and the way that my coaches in wrestling have handled themselves and just what I've been taught. | ||
| I think the MMA, people still want to see violence, but I would hope that we can make it Into a platform where there's some people that want to see the sport. | ||
| And I would hope that it continues to... | ||
| I think it's already trending that way, but continues to move that way. | ||
| The reason why I think it's going to go that way is because I think those fighters are going to be the most successful. | ||
| Just like those quarterbacks that study tape, they are the most successful. | ||
| Going over plays, they're the most successful. | ||
| And I just think it's, you know, one of the things that DC said when you won your last fight, he just started saying, blue chip! | ||
| That's blue chip! | ||
| But there is something to that, that the elite of the elite in any sport, they have to have all their bases covered. | ||
| And when those elite of the elite then enter MMA and use that same analytical, systematic approach To training and getting better at this. | ||
| They're gonna get so good that everyone's gonna have to do that. | ||
| Unless you're some freak of all freaks athletically that can get away with things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which we have seen guys like that. | ||
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| But for the most part, hard work overcomes that. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And intelligence and proper training, for the most part. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So tell me what you think of this, because I kind of look at the sport and see the trends and the way things are going. | ||
| So it started off in MMA. It was like, which martial art beat which? | ||
| And we kind of saw the wrestlers had some success, but then Hoist Gracie in jiu-jitsu was like, if you don't know jiu-jitsu, you're going to get destroyed. | ||
| You're going to get killed. | ||
| And then it became, okay... | ||
| Now, if I know a little jujitsu and I can defend and then strike, that's the advantage. | ||
| And wrestlers really took over in that stage. | ||
| I feel like from there, it went to a point where... | ||
| The most well-rounded guys were winning. | ||
| You look at George St. Pierre. | ||
| He's not a wrestler, but super well-rounded. | ||
| Great jiu-jitsu, great wrestling, great striking, good conditioning. | ||
| The well-rounded guys had the biggest advantage. | ||
| I think now it's moving to a point where It's almost coming back, and I'll use myself as an example, but you have to be a specialist in one thing where it's like, dude, that one thing is better than anyone in the world. | ||
| And then everything else has to be elite. | ||
| It's like Israel Adesanya. | ||
| He's the best kickboxer, one of the best kickboxers in the world, but he also has... | ||
| Great takedown defense, and you even see him throw up subs in some of his fights, things like that. | ||
| Or, you know, you see guys where it's like, dude, you have this one thing, Khabib. | ||
| This one thing, his grappling is so, like, outrageous. | ||
| But then everything else is, like, freaking world class. | ||
| It's like, that's where I think it's getting, you know, now these guys that have one thing that can kind of overwhelm and overpower somebody in a certain area, but everything else is, like... | ||
| Not as good, but better than average. | ||
| I definitely think there's a gigantic advantage to being elite in one specific area, whether it's wrestling, for you, or if you look at Alex Pajera, the kickboxing. | ||
| His kickboxing is so fucking dangerous that every fight starts on the feet. | ||
| And when you have a guy that's a two-division glory world champion, That just knocks people into other dimensions. | ||
| And then now this guy is learning takedown defense and all those things. | ||
| Obviously, he has vulnerabilities. | ||
| And it's interesting to see, particularly in the Euro Prochaska fight, and then in the fight with Jan Bohovic as well, he's learning how to defend himself on the ground. | ||
| But it seems like it's limited, right? | ||
| Like, it doesn't seem like he's very good at takedown defense. | ||
| He's getting better at it. | ||
| Doesn't seem like he's very good at getting back up to his feet, but he's getting better at it. | ||
| But at least now he's good at defending. | ||
| So if guys take him down, he defends, he survives, he doesn't get completely exhausted. | ||
| And then next round, he's standing up again. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And the thing, too, is if you look at the matchups, when he fought Jan, Jan had to take him down. | ||
| He's not going to strike with him the whole time. | ||
| And he actually gassed himself out in that first round. | ||
| He had a body triangle for almost five minutes. | ||
| And I've never seen him look that tired in a fight. | ||
| And so now these people that maybe don't have that wrestling base, those years and years of reps, they have to fight him a certain way. | ||
| But he's proficient enough to kind of You know, hold him off. | ||
| Now he's got the advantage, right? | ||
| It's like, what are you going to do? | ||
| That's how I want to develop my style, ideally, is to where when somebody comes out to fight me, to game plan, they're like, alright, well, we obviously don't want to wrestle with him. | ||
| Dang, he also has knocked a lot of guys out. | ||
| We don't want to get hit. | ||
| Oh, wow, he catches every jab. | ||
| He checks every kick. | ||
| Are we going to jab with him? | ||
| Are we going to kick with him? | ||
| Okay, no. | ||
| Okay, maybe we'll try to get him tired. | ||
| I don't get tired. | ||
| That's the idea, where I want to get to, right? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| I think a lot of fighters probably are thinking on a similar wavelength. | ||
| Nowadays. | ||
| I'm sure, but you also obviously have the advantage of having that superior grappling base. | ||
| I just can't say it enough. | ||
| I think that is the most important base in all of MMA. Yeah, yeah, you know, it definitely is an advantage. | ||
| I feel like when I very first started in the sport and just started training, figuring stuff out, it was like even more. | ||
| It was just like because I was only shooting, only trying to hold guys down and stuff. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I could probably do this to like some of the top guys in the world. | ||
| I always want to hold on to that. | ||
| I always want to make sure that... | ||
| That's why I still... | ||
| You asked earlier, I still live in State College, Pennsylvania. | ||
| I'm 10 minutes away from Penn State University. | ||
| I train there three, four times a week with the best guys in the world wrestling. | ||
| I think that for me, I could take four weeks, five weeks, and go compete with the best guys in the world in wrestling right now. | ||
| What's a guy in MMA going to do to me who's never wrestled in his life? | ||
| He's going to do some sprawls for eight weeks and learn how to stand up? | ||
| Like, good luck, dude. | ||
| Please, take these eight weeks and try to wrestle. | ||
| It's going to hurt you more than it will help you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It'll take away from your time striking and all those other things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| It's like, even like an admission from a guy like yourself that is one of the best wrestlers in the world, you would need four weeks at least of real training and just wrestling. | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| Because you're going to give up something by training MMA as well. | ||
| You have to, you know. | ||
| I think that the pace is different. | ||
| You're in a different stance. | ||
| You know, I'm not really... | ||
| I don't have to put myself underneath people like you do in wrestling. | ||
| You have to get so low to get to a shot. | ||
| People are upright. | ||
| When I go train wrestling now, I want to keep myself sharp and keep improving. | ||
| But I'm really trying to help the college guys and help these guys out, give back, help them improve and stuff. | ||
| So I'm not trying to be the best wrestler in the world right now. | ||
| And I'm trying to be the best fighter. | ||
| So I tailor my training to that. | ||
| And I think that's an important thing. | ||
| Some of my coaches say, never forget your wrestling. | ||
| A lot of guys forget it. | ||
| But to me, I think I just love the sport. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I want to represent... | ||
| For the wrestling community on a bigger stage. | ||
| And so, you know, I'm still very involved in it. | ||
| But, yeah, at the same time, it's like I'm adjusting my training and kind of fine-tuning it to what I think is best for what I'm, you know, mainly focused on. | ||
| Is it a lot of trial and error? | ||
| Like, how do you... | ||
| Do you have a main MMA coach who structures your training program? | ||
| Because I would imagine... | ||
| Well, I should ask you, like, strength and conditioning, skill set acquisition, maintaining wrestling base, like, how do you manage all those very specific things, and how do you know whether or not you're optimizing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, a lot of it is nobody's really done it the way that I have. | ||
| You know, most people, they wrestle in college, maybe they try to make the Olympic team, and now they go to flight, and they move, and they start at an MMA gym, right? | ||
| What I've done is I've partnered up with Dan Lambert, American Top Team. | ||
| We built a gym right near Penn State campus. | ||
| And the idea is that'll be a pipeline for any other wrestlers, specifically Penn State wrestlers who want to come and fight after they're done wrestling, right? | ||
| So it's a good relationship there. | ||
| But basically what we've done is I've brought in coaches for jujitsu, for Muay Thai, really high-level guys in their specific disciplines. | ||
| And so I'm learning from them. | ||
| I'm learning boxing from my boxing coach. | ||
| And then for strength conditioning, I use the training lab with Sam Calvita. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| So I've been using him since I was in college. | ||
| So he has worked with Penn State wrestling for a long time. | ||
| He's known one of our coaches for 25 years. | ||
| So when I started getting serious about my strength conditioning, nutrition, recovery, he was a guy I started using maybe as a junior in college. | ||
| And so I have a good relationship with him. | ||
| But for the most part, it's on me to organize it. | ||
| And kind of see what works best. | ||
| And I did play around at the beginning, like, alright, how much wrestling am I gonna do? | ||
| How many times am I gonna lift weights? | ||
| How many times am I gonna do jiu-jitsu? | ||
| How many times am I gonna strike? | ||
| And I'm kind of continuously refining that process. | ||
| And the idea for me is, I'm the trailblazer. | ||
| I'm the guy that's the first one to do this. | ||
| Now all these guys that are coming behind me, my best friend Anthony Kassar, he just won his second pro fight. | ||
| He's a 205er heavyweight NCAA champ. | ||
| He started about a year later than me, so now he kind of gets the benefits of me tinkering for that year. | ||
| And then the guys behind him, they'll get the benefits of us tinkering and figuring stuff out. | ||
| And we're really trying to build You know, a program. | ||
| We're trying to build a team that we're going to do things a certain way. | ||
| And, you know, it's fortunate and unfortunate because I'm the first guy to do it, I'm going to get the credit and I'm going to be probably like, you know, everybody's excited about it and things like that, so I get benefits there. | ||
| But I do have to, like, take the time and effort to test everything out and figure out what works and what doesn't. | ||
| And, you know, there's so many variables, so... | ||
| But I like that. | ||
| It's fun for me to do that. | ||
| I would rather do that than just plug in somewhere and just kind of go about it in a very set way. | ||
| Right, and that team's program might not be perfect for you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which is so interesting because everybody's program is different. | ||
| Like, Georges St-Pierre famously later in his career stopped doing all strength and conditioning. | ||
| He said efficiency is more important than anything. | ||
| And, you know, in his mind it was really just about Specific training for MMA, meaning just sparring, rounds in the bag, those type of things. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You know, I think that everybody, you know, if you're a real true professional, you brought up GSP. GSP is the guy I look at. | ||
| He was the first guy that came into MMA There was kind of a true professional about it who was very organized, even in the media, well-spoken. | ||
| And the way he trained, the way he committed not only his time training but his lifestyle, I felt like that aligned a lot. | ||
| That aligns a lot with how I want to do things in a professional manner. | ||
| And so if you are a true professional, you have to take Ownership of that and take responsibility. | ||
| If you're not getting what you need, you need to make an adjustment. | ||
| And now, luckily, I have the freedom to be able to do that. | ||
| And I'm fortunate that I had the foresight to kind of see that and know, all right, let's look at MMA. There's a lot of people doing a lot of good things out, but it's been a sport for 20 years. | ||
| And so there's a lot of people that also don't know what's going on, that don't know what they're doing. | ||
| I look at wrestling. | ||
| It's one of the oldest sports in the world. | ||
| There's so many tried and true methods of training and how it works and what's best for you. | ||
| And not only have I been part of that for 20 years, but I was a part of the most elite organization and really dynasty in wrestling history, you know, with being on the Penn State team. | ||
| Like my coaches, they started at Penn State in 2009. They have notes for training sessions and recovery days for pretty much every day of the year. | ||
| Since 2009. So they know what they did. | ||
| What's today? | ||
| December 7th, 6th? | ||
| They know what they did December 7th of 2009, 2010, 2011, all the way until now. | ||
| And they meet every day to discuss these things. | ||
| So that's kind of like what I come from and what I know about training and how to organize a program and put things together. | ||
| They know a lot more than me. | ||
| I'm just kind of learning these things through osmosis. | ||
| And now I'm trying to apply them to my career. | ||
| And again, we're going to continue to refine and get better at them. | ||
| By the time I'm done, Hopefully I can give this system that I've created and what I've put together to a new generation of guys that are going to do even bigger and better things than me. | ||
| Hopefully they'll win more than me, make more money than me, be more famous. | ||
| That's what I hope for those guys that are coming. | ||
| They can benefit from this. | ||
| I love hearing stories like that about those notes. | ||
| I love when you realize, like, oh, no stone unturned. | ||
| Everything is covered. | ||
| And that's how you become elite. | ||
| There's no elite by kind of covering some of the bases. | ||
| It's covering every fucking base. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| From nutrition to recovery to making notes and learning and adjusting to each training session and figuring out what went wrong and what went right and how do you feel and how was the performance. | ||
| I love hearing shit like that. | ||
| I love when it's just a full, comprehensive analysis of every single aspect of it, and then you see these insane results, like the Penn State team. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I love that too. | ||
| I didn't know it at the time because I was just a high schooler, but that was a big thing that drew me to the program was the culture, how they approach the sport. | ||
| And everything we're talking about right now too is like, It's not even half of it because we're not even talking about the psychology of it, right? | ||
| Of what it's like to mentally go out there and perform and do what you need to do. | ||
| But like you said, leaving no stone unturned, making sure that I've done every single thing that I can do to put myself in the best possible position to have success here— That's what I want to do in fighting. | ||
| That's what I feel a lot of people don't do. | ||
| They're tough dudes who have some skills. | ||
| They're athletic and they're smart and they go out there and they fight. | ||
| It's like, well, that's not really the way that I look at the sport. | ||
| I look at it like, like you said, all-encompassing, comprehensive. | ||
| How can I optimize every single part of my lifestyle to... | ||
| Now go out there, be comfortable, be confident, and I'm not here to guess. | ||
| Oh, am I going to win this fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| And that's another reason that I'm taking my career the way I am. | ||
| I fought in July. | ||
| I'm not fighting again for a while. | ||
| And people say, oh, you're a prospect. | ||
| You need to fight this and that. | ||
| It's like, well... | ||
| I want to be ready and prepared to the point where, you know, now I'm fighting guys that are, you know, unranked, that people see as low level. | ||
| Like, nobody's low level in the UFC, but people see as a lower level, and I'm demolishing them, dominating them. | ||
| By the time I fight a guy in the top 15, top 10, top 5 championship, I'm planning on doing the exact same thing to you, bud, because this is the way that I'm structuring my life. | ||
| So, if that takes more time for me to improve and get better, Fine, no worries. | ||
| I'm willing to be disciplined and not be in a rush to do that. | ||
| Like you said, that just comes from the overarching theme of doing things right, doing things correctly, and always trying to learn and improve and grow and do better and just come at it in a professional, intelligent way. | ||
| Speaking about your last fight from there until now, that is quite a large amount of time. | ||
| Is it difficult for you to get fights? | ||
| Is it difficult for you to get quality opponents? | ||
| Because, I mean, there was obviously a lot of hype on you before you even got into the UFC. There's a contender show and, you know, watching you compete and everybody knew right away, like, oh, this guy's got something special. | ||
| And then you got guys who are like, hey, I'm like fucking one and one. | ||
| I don't want to fight that guy. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I need to learn. | ||
| So there's a lot of guys that are probably going to look at that matchup and go, that is just not right for me at this time. | ||
| I don't need to get smoked. | ||
| And have my confidence crushed and realize that the gap is so wide. | ||
| Realistically, there's some guys that are competing that unless they have some monumental breakthrough or unless they leave their training camp and move into a completely new environment and get totally new coaches and radically restructure their life, they're never going to die. | ||
| Bridge that gap. | ||
| They're never gonna bridge it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so how hard is it for you to get quality opponents and the kind of opponents that you really do need in order to continue to not just you're developing these skills obviously in the gym, but you also need to be implementing them in real fights. | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| You know, it's been so interesting, my journey. | ||
| I feel like I always try to look for people to compare and see how they did things and maybe take the positives and negatives and apply those to what I'm doing. | ||
| And there really hasn't been that many people that have done what I've done. | ||
| I'm 5-0 right now. | ||
| I started training in August of 2021, MMA. That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That really is so funny. | ||
| That is so fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, Dana White originally was like, wait a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't want you to get to be in the UFC that quick. | ||
| So, bring me around to the point you made. | ||
| So, what happened was I started training. | ||
| Four weeks later, I was like, yo, what's... | ||
| Let's get a fight. | ||
| So I took an amateur fight. | ||
| And just some poor dude didn't know what he was doing. | ||
| He was 1-0 amateur. | ||
| I was 0-0. | ||
| And he took the fight. | ||
| And I think a lot of people... | ||
| There was a lot of question marks. | ||
| People were like, alright, I don't know. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Let's see what's up. | ||
| And I choked the guy out. | ||
| And I was like, let's go again. | ||
| Four weeks later, I fought my second amateur fight. | ||
| Knocked the dude out cold. | ||
| And then I was like, alright, well... | ||
| I wanted to put a show together in my hometown in State College. | ||
| And so I was working for a few months to get that going. | ||
| And it just, there was the PA Athletic Commission is working between my management team, the PA Athletic Commission and Penn State. | ||
| There was just too many moving parts. | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| And I was like, I need to fight. | ||
| So, you know, I could wait like four more months and do this or I could just get a fight. | ||
| So then I had trained another six months, six, seven months. | ||
| And I was like, let's do a pro debut. | ||
| And that was in June of 2022. And so I'm coming out against another poor guy who thought he was going to knock me out or something. | ||
| And knock him out in 30 seconds on UFC Fight Pass. | ||
| And it did like the most views in UFC Fight Pass history. | ||
| Like more than any other promotion. | ||
| It was like something like three or four million views in the week. | ||
| And it did a bunch that night. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah, this is it. | ||
| So this is eight months of training. | ||
| That's what's crazy is that you're such a good striker so quick. | ||
| It's really nuts, man. | ||
| It really is very, very unusual. | ||
| But I just think... | ||
| It's got to be the same mindset that allowed you to get a lead at wrestling. | ||
| You just programmed that into striking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| On top of good, high-quality coaches and training partners. | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| And so after this happened, the next morning, UFC, Bellator, 1FC, PFL, boom, boom, boom, call it. | ||
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| Let's do it. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| What the frick? | ||
| I'm 1-0 pro. | ||
| I've been training eight months or whatever, nine months. | ||
| So was there hesitancy on your part where you're like, look, I'd like to get some more fights, more competition? | ||
| Because we've seen it before. | ||
| Pajeda's a great example. | ||
| He's got a couple fights at the UFC, and then all of a sudden he's fighting for the title. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so my initial plan, like, before any of this happened, was I'm going to get 10 fights in the regional scene, you know, and then I'm going to go UFC, and I'm going to be the champ by, like, 13, 14 fights. | ||
| Like, that's where the plan was. | ||
| And then after that, it was like... | ||
| Everybody kind of knows what's up. | ||
| Everybody's trying to sign me. | ||
| And I talked with my manager. | ||
| And I was like, dude, am I even going to be able to get a fight? | ||
| Who's going to fight me on these regional scene promotions? | ||
| Who's going to fight me in any of these? | ||
| And he's like, I'll be honest with you. | ||
| Nobody's going to fight you. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, well, then, you know, in my mind, I was always, I'm going to the UFC. Like, you know, these other organizations, I think they do a good job and stuff, but that's not really me. | ||
| Like, I'm a UFC guy. | ||
| So, you know, discuss with the UFC, and they're like, hey, well, you know, we can throw you on contenders. | ||
| And I'm like, let's do it. | ||
| And it was a couple months later. | ||
| So... | ||
| Now I'm like, it's on. | ||
| Let's get it rolling. | ||
| I'm going to fight these Contenders fights. | ||
| I fight my first fight. | ||
| Choke the guy out in a minute. | ||
| Dana's like, let's do another fight. | ||
| I'm like, perfect. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| So then I fight at the last week of Contenders series. | ||
| And it's actually a crazy story. | ||
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So... | |
| This is going to make me seem like a real dummy, but my gym is like 200 yards away from where I live. | ||
| And there's a main road that you have to cross to get to it. | ||
| It's probably like a 40, 45 mile an hour speed limit, but it's not super busy, but it's a little busy. | ||
| And so I used to, you know what a one wheel is? | ||
| So I used to ride my one wheel like to and from practice. | ||
| And I would just do this all the time. | ||
| And so I'm riding back from training session once and I've got, so I'm barefoot, I've got like a Yeti bottle, I've got my phone and wallet and like my flip-flops in my hand, and I've got no shirt on, and I'm just like, it takes like 25 seconds, so I'm just like, and I'm going on this road, and my buddy pulls behind me, he's leaving practice too, and then I have another car behind me. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't want to make these people wait. | ||
| I better pick it up. | ||
| Normally I'm pretty safe on this thing. | ||
| I don't really go crazy. | ||
| So you lean forward to go faster. | ||
| So I'm leaning forward and I catch the tip of the nose on the asphalt. | ||
| And I slam into the ground and roll. | ||
| And my Yeti, I have like a 64-ounce Yeti. | ||
| It's flying in the air. | ||
| My shoes, wall, everything's flying in the air. | ||
| And I hit and rolled. | ||
| And I just was like, get off the road. | ||
| You're going to get hit by a car. | ||
| So I popped up, grabbed my stuff, and got off the road. | ||
| And my buddy's sitting there in his car, and he's like, And I was like, oh, I just jumped in the car with him. | ||
| And I'm like, take me home, bro. | ||
| And he just pulls into my driveway. | ||
| And he's like, you all right? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I'm good. | ||
| Like, my shoulder hurts a little bit, but I'm good. | ||
| And I checked on my app. | ||
| I was going 23 miles an hour. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| So I was flying. | ||
| And then, you know, I was like, I'll be fine. | ||
| Like, I kind of hurt my shoulder hurts a little bit. | ||
| And then four hours later, I couldn't move my arm. | ||
| I was like, I could get up to like here. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| And so then I go get x-ray MRI. I cracked my collarbone. | ||
| And I had like a separation in my SC joint. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| And I was like, this was 10 days before I was supposed to fight my second contenders fight. | ||
| And I was like, Dude, what am I going to do? | ||
| Like, this is terrible. | ||
| And so I go to the athletic trainer at Penn State. | ||
| He's like a magician. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He's worked with the wrestling team for 30 years. | ||
| And he does a lot of like, kind of, he's a more like Eastern philosophy guy. | ||
| So we're moving energy through it and doing a few different things. | ||
| And I started to feel a little better, feel a little better, and I'm about to fly out to Vegas, like, the next day, and I'm like, well, it's the day before I'm about to, the two days before I'm about to fly out, I'm like, okay, if I wake up tomorrow and I don't feel significantly better, like, I'm gonna have to pull out of this fight. | ||
| And so I woke up the next day, and I was like, alright, it feels okay, it felt better. | ||
| So I hit pads and, like, did a couple things, and I was like, alright, whatever, let's just do it. | ||
| So let's freaking go into the fight, and I ended up, I knocked that dude down, hit him in a triangle, choke him out, win the fight in whatever, less than a minute, and I'm like, fire it up, and I'm like, let's go, let's do it again, get me in there again in December, I tell Dana and Hunter, and they're like, done. | ||
| And so then everybody's like, he's fine in December, and I got back home, and I was like... | ||
| Maybe we held off a little bit. | ||
| So, uh, then we, we pushed my next fight till March, but I don't ride the one, moral of the story, I don't ride the one wheel anymore. | ||
| Yeah, fuck those things. | ||
| Yeah, Jamie broke his ass bone on them hoverboards. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
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| So I don't, I don't do that anymore, but, yeah, I, getting, so, going from regional scene, contender series to UFC, it was like, I kind of went a lot faster than I wanted to, but I, uh, I felt like I wasn't going to be able to get the fights, and the UFC can get me the fights. | ||
| And so now, in the past, really since whatever that was of 2022, so the last year and a half, really over a year span, I fought five times professionally. | ||
| And then I was thinking, I can keep going at this pace. | ||
| I can fight five more times in the next year. | ||
| I can only fight so many guys until I'm moving up into the top 15, top 10. I've only trained MMA a little over two years, so is that really the best move for me? | ||
| Do I want to be fighting a top 15 guy in the world? | ||
| At 5-0 on two years of experience? | ||
| Or do I want to, you know, take control while I can, slow it down, learn, develop, get better? | ||
| Like, I'm still a prospect, so, you know, these type of things are things that are on my mind, things that, you know, people that I'm close with, coaches, have, you know, just helped me with, because, like, I want to get there, right? | ||
| Like, I have goals and a plan, but there's also, I think, a better way to go about it that I'm trying to be, you know, considerate of and manage. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think you're doing a great job in that regard. | ||
| And I also think, I'm very happy that you decided to go with the UFC. Because no disrespect to the other organizations, there's very good fighters in the other organizations, but I often feel like they're wasting their career. | ||
| Because I see these elite fighters that are fighting in Bellator and PFL. I'm like, hey guys, no one's watching. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know, I mean, some people are watching. | ||
| You're getting a little bit of a fan base. | ||
| I don't want to disrespect. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's a reality. | ||
| And that, you know, there's the XFL, there's the CFL, and then there's the fucking NFL. Yep. | ||
| Are you really playing football? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's how I feel. | ||
| That's just how it is, man. | ||
| If you're the UFC champ, you're the fucking man. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you're the Bellator champ, I respect the shit out of those guys. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, guys like Johnny Elblen, same thing. | ||
| Yeah, I train with Johnny all the time. | ||
| He's a freaking animal. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| To me, Johnny's probably the best middleweight on the planet right now. | ||
| I really wish that guy would come to the UFC. Yeah, you know, I think that, you know, To me, when I was making that decision, it really wasn't a decision because I knew I was like, I'm going to be in the UFC. That was always what I wanted to do. | ||
| And I come from Penn State. | ||
| We haven't had a match that wasn't sold out in, I don't even know, like a decade. | ||
| Every match is in our small venue rec hall, 7,000 people right on top of you, sold out in tents. | ||
| We go to Bryce Jordan, which is our bigger venue, 16,000 people sold out. | ||
| We go to Carver-Hawkeye, 20,000 people sold out. | ||
| We go to Gallagher-Iba, Oklahoma State, 20,000 people. | ||
| It's like that was every weekend for me in college. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That's like freaking let's get it. | ||
| You get a good atmosphere in these other organizations, but there's nothing like a UFC situation. | ||
| The production, everything that goes into it, the eyes, that's where I need to be competing. | ||
| The promotion. | ||
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Yeah, it's incredible. | |
| If you're a UFC champion, the promotion is just unparalleled. | ||
| There's nothing like it. | ||
| Everybody knows who you are when you're the UFC champion. | ||
| I've already felt that a lot with... | ||
| I think that it's important for people to understand... | ||
| Maybe these other organizations will pay you a little more, but the marketing dollars that the UFC puts into a guy just by... | ||
| The way they push them or where they put you on the cards, this and that. | ||
| That's worth so much. | ||
| You look at a guy, a good example you said in the NFL. Look at an NFL running back or NFL quarterback. | ||
| A lot of these guys get big endorsement deals from Bose or Nike or whatever. | ||
| You could be just as good if you're not playing the NFL. You're not getting that. | ||
| If you're not in the UFC, all these marketing deals, all these endorsements, those aren't really going to be available to you. | ||
| It's the platform. | ||
| So I think people talk about fighter pay, this, that, whatever. | ||
| It's like, I'm in the boat of, it's on you to get yours. | ||
| I'm never going to sit around and beg somebody else for a check. | ||
| Pay me more money. | ||
| It's like, dude, go earn it. | ||
| Go get it. | ||
| I feel like what you get paid, that's between you and the company and take care of what you need to take care of. | ||
| I'm going to take care of me. | ||
| But there's a lot of other parts of the equation that people don't factor in, in my opinion. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely parts that people don't factor in. | ||
| And there's also, like, this feeling of being in the UFC that everybody who wants to be a fighter dreams of. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You want to be there when Bruce Buffer is right in front of you going, It's time! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Holy shit! | ||
| It was so funny. | ||
| After I signed my UFC contract and knew I was going to fight, the two things I always wanted was I wanted to have Bruce Buffer announce me and I wanted to do a post-fight interview with you. | ||
| I was like, yo, these two things, those are bucket list things for me. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| It's so fun. | ||
| And the way they do it, the energy in Las Vegas when there's a big fight, it's unbelievable. | ||
| There's nothing like it. | ||
| There is nothing like it. | ||
| Nothing like it. | ||
| And that's where I want to be. | ||
| If I could fight 50 times a year, I would do it. | ||
| If that was feasible, because wrestling, in college I would wrestle 50 matches in a year. | ||
| But you can't do that with fights, but if I could, I just love that. | ||
| I would do it every weekend. | ||
| It's so much fun. | ||
| I went to the UFC in Austin last weekend, and it's the rare moment where I get to watch Right. | ||
| And just sit there. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| No headphones on. | ||
| Just appreciate the crowd. | ||
| They're like, the fucking energy is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you're on a drug just sitting there. | ||
| Dude, were you at UFC Miami earlier this year? | ||
| How crazy was it when Trump walked out? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| I've never experienced that. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| I was like, whoa. | ||
| It was more crazy when he walked out in Madison Square Garden. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| The Madison Square Garden one, the last fight, was fucking bananas. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| I've never heard a crowd like that. | ||
| Over a minute of people screaming at the top of their lungs as he's walking in. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| This country is fed up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a fed up country. | ||
| You know, the mainstream media can say all the shit they want, and they're trying, but the people aren't buying it. | ||
| No. | ||
| And the perfect example right there is... | ||
| You know, 20,000 people or whatever, like, losing their minds when the dude's walking to the cage. | ||
| It's like, there's no fighter that gets that. | ||
| But yeah, the country, it's like, you can tell. | ||
| You just talk to people or see what's going on. | ||
| It's like, you could tell. | ||
| Well, you know, there's people that voted for Biden that are doing it now. | ||
| They're like, what did I do? | ||
| What did I choose? | ||
| How is this guy? | ||
| Yeah, you just can't listen to an interview where he's saying some of the stuff he says that just makes no sense at all. | ||
| It's like you can't listen to those interviews and feel like you made a good decision. | ||
| I don't know how you could. | ||
| Did you hear what he said yesterday or a couple days ago? | ||
| He was talking about the Revolutionary War. | ||
| He's like, one of the reasons why we lost the Revolutionary War, one of the problems with the Revolutionary War was they didn't have enough airports. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Have you seen that? | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Like, what the hell? | ||
| Like, pull him. | ||
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This is crazy. | |
| If you were, if you had any other job and you were talking like that, they would go, hey, you're done. | ||
| If you talk like that to a doctor at your medical exam to fight, they'd be like, okay, like, obviously they're not fighting. | ||
| You'd also, here's eight weeks of being helped out by a professional. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You might not ever do anything again. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's one of the wildest things ever. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the media gaslighting you to protect. | ||
| It's just people are so afraid of Trump being in office and Republicans being in office. | ||
| You know, it's funny because... | ||
| Right after my last fight, he was cage-side with Dana. | ||
| And then I got back home and he invited me out to Bedminster in Jersey and was like, come golf with me. | ||
| Coolest freaking dude, man. | ||
| He was like, we didn't talk about politics. | ||
| We didn't talk about anything. | ||
| When I first got there, rolled up, I mean, there's 30 Secret Service members. | ||
| You know, everybody's doing their thing. | ||
| And he did a few, like... | ||
| We kind of worked with one of his secretaries to make some announcements and do some stuff, but then we just golfed for four hours, rode in the cart with him, and he was the coolest guy, so with it, so smart, asking me about fighting, we were talking about boxing, we talked about football, we talked about golf, and he was so sharp and with it, and it was me, this is the craziest thing, I grew up in a town of 5,000 people in Wyoming. | ||
| Now I'm fighting on the UFC and then with Trump golfing. | ||
| It's me, Trump, O.J. Anderson, who's an NFL running back, Super Bowl MVP, and LT. That's the foursome. | ||
| And I'm like, what the heck is going on here? | ||
| That's got to feel surreal. | ||
| It was super surreal. | ||
| Nothing really. | ||
| He was such a bro and so cool and so with it. | ||
| I think he's 70s, upper 70s, and couldn't believe how smart and sharp the guy was. | ||
| I was like, wow, this is... | ||
| Bizarre, right? | ||
| Right, like super with it. | ||
| He's the only guy that went through four years in the White House and didn't seem to age. | ||
| No. | ||
| Everybody gets in that White House and they just fall apart. | ||
| Their hair gets gray, they look tired all the time. | ||
| They just like the weight of the world, which it literally is. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's on their shoulders. | ||
| I think he just... | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| It's like a fucking duck to water. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, what are you going to say? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Oh, this was the craziest thing. | ||
| So him and LT were playing like a thousand bucks a hole or something. | ||
| And he smoked a... | ||
| Trump... | ||
| I golf with him. | ||
| The dude's an amazing golfer. | ||
| I couldn't believe how good he was. | ||
| Every fairway, right down the middle, hit every green, making all those putts. | ||
| He won the first nine pretty easy, and then the last nine, it was going in the 18th hole... | ||
| Him and LT were tied or something. | ||
| It all came down to this last hole. | ||
| And they both hit great drives. | ||
| And LT hit a good approach shot. | ||
| And Trump gets up there. | ||
| He's probably like 150 yards from the green. | ||
| And he sets up. | ||
| Just stripes it straight at the pin. | ||
| Ball's like in the middle of the arc, like not even coming down yet. | ||
| He turns around, doesn't even watch it land, walks right back to the cart, sits down. | ||
| And the cat is like, nice shot, Mr. President. | ||
| And I was like, damn, that was clutch. | ||
| And he looks at me, he goes, don't you want your present to be clutch? | ||
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LAUGHTER And I was like, for sure, man. | |
| And he hit it two feet from the pin and tapped it in. | ||
| And I was like, jeez. | ||
| That's pretty slick. | ||
| It was slick. | ||
| I was like, it was just cool, dude, though. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| It's a weird time because there's people in this country that want to think he's Hitler. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| You couldn't convince me otherwise just hanging out with a guy. | ||
| I'm like, man. | ||
| Well, you know, it's just the media narrative. | ||
| I mean, so many people were fed this lie that the Russia collusion. | ||
| Was this the video you were talking about? | ||
| Let me see what this one says. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| By the way, the same stable genius that said the biggest problem we had in the Revolutionary War is we didn't have enough airport. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Just for the record. | ||
| Is that fake? | ||
| It's not fake, but he was referencing Trump saying that. | ||
| Here's what Trump saying it in 2019. Donald Trump said something about that. | ||
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He didn't say Jesus. | |
| He said a stable genius, and that's where the transcription... | ||
| Let me hear what it says. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York, and named after the great George Washington Commander-in-Chief. | ||
| The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware, and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown. | ||
| Our army manned the airport. | ||
| It ran the ramparts. | ||
| It took over the airports. | ||
| It did everything it had to do. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| But I feel like... | ||
| You can tell, too, it sounds a little different. | ||
| You can tell he messed up his words, but... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Took over the airports. | ||
| Well, that's the thing about media these days. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You gotta look into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| But, I mean, that's probably the most coherent thing Biden's ever fucked up. | ||
| Like, some of the things... | ||
| I got hairy legs. | ||
| Yeah, oh my god, there's so many of them. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| I mean, it's unfortunate because the guy's older and he really shouldn't be in that position. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, if he was your dad, you'd feel terrible. | ||
| You'd be like, Dad, you gotta stop. | ||
| Like, you shouldn't be doing this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it's weird. | ||
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It's... | |
| What's your tour? | ||
| Strange Time? | ||
| Is it Strange Time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are the strangest times. | ||
| There's a really interesting clip. | ||
| See if you can go to that clip on my Twitter page. | ||
| I retweeted it. | ||
| There's a guy named Terence McKenna who's this like psychedelic bard slash philosopher who said a lot of very interesting shit. | ||
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He died. | |
| Listen, just listen to what he said. | ||
| Because he's literally, I think this was 1998 that he said this. | ||
| And literally he called what's happening. | ||
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The level of contradiction is going to rise excruciatingly, even beyond the excruciating present levels of contradiction. | |
| So I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. | ||
| And at that point, novelty theory can come out of the woods because eventually people are going to say, what the hell is going on? | ||
| It's just too nuts. | ||
| It's not enough to say it's nuts. | ||
| You have to explain why it's so nuts. | ||
| I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extraterrestrials, possible human immortality, and at the same time, appalling acts of brutality, genocide, | ||
| race-baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation, because the systems which are in place to keep the world Sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed. | ||
| The collapse of the socialist world, the rise of the Internet, these are changes so immense, nobody could imagine them ever happening. | ||
| And now that they have happened, nobody even bothers to mention what a big deal it is. | ||
| The mushroom said to me once, it said, this is what it's like when a species prepares to depart for the stars. | ||
| You don't depart for the stars under calm and orderly conditions. | ||
| It's a fire in a madhouse. | ||
| And that's what we have, the fire in the madhouse at the end of time. | ||
| This is what it's like when a species prepares to move on to the next dimension. | ||
| The entire destiny of all life on the planet is tied up in this. | ||
| We are not acting for ourselves or from ourselves. | ||
| We happen to be the point species on a transformation that will affect every living organism on this planet at its conclusion. | ||
| That guy called it. | ||
| So smart. | ||
| In 98. He said so many things, too. | ||
| Talking about AI, talking about extraterrestrials, talking about people trying to basically beat human mortality. | ||
| It's like, wow. | ||
| It's all happening right now. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| 25 years before he... | ||
| He was on point. | ||
| What a smart guy. | ||
| I'm going to look into him more. | ||
| Oh, he had a lot of wild theories. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That stuff, I love... | ||
| Well, one thing that I love about your podcast is I love listening, hearing, learning about all of those types of things, man. | ||
| It's like I listen to so many of your episodes for that specific reason because that stuff is... | ||
| It's so important and interesting and it'd be easy to not think about it and just go about your daily life, but I don't know. | ||
| I feel like I have to think about it. | ||
| I think we all have to think about it. | ||
| Life is more strange now than it's ever been in the entire history of human beings. | ||
| And getting stranger every day, like with this chat GPT shit and AI, like kids are using chat GPT to write papers and study their homework, just changing a few words about it. | ||
| And you get – people are firing their lawyers just using chat GPT to – I've seen this. | ||
| I'm going to give some people some game right now, but I'll go into chat GBT and you have to ask it the right questions, but I'll say, hey, formulate a game plan for this type of fighter. | ||
| I'm a wrestler at middleweight, this, that, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And now I'm going to fight this guy. | ||
| Give me the perfect game plan for him. | ||
| And it'll do that? | ||
| It's not like, boom, easy. | ||
| You kind of have to prod it a little bit, but it'll give you some good information. | ||
| Initially, it'll basically say, well, I'm not able to do this, formulate this and that, but I get a little more vague. | ||
| So then I would say, formulate a game plan for a wrestler against a striker in an MMA fight under these rules. | ||
| And then, you know, then I would ask it more detailed questions from there. | ||
| And it's given me good information. | ||
| So, I mean, we'll see where it can go. | ||
| In five years, it'll probably be able to download video of somebody and tell you every one of their weaknesses. | ||
| I'm sure it will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even think we're five years away from that. | ||
| Probably not, yeah. | ||
| When is ChatGPT5 supposed to come out, Jamie? | ||
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| Sorry, I about to sneeze. | ||
| I haven't fully announced that yet. | ||
| Even like four you still have to pay for. | ||
| And they have that new thing now, which was a big problem, which I don't think has been fully explained. | ||
| The Sam Altman thing? | ||
| Yeah, the Q-Star. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck that even means. | ||
| Well, here's the speculation. | ||
| The speculation is that AI has become sentient. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, I know. | ||
| And that artificial general AI is now like an intelligent life force. | ||
| Yeah, it was funny because I've heard you say before, like, we're going to integrate with it and become part of it together. | ||
| And the other day, my wrestling coach, so every day, he, Coach Kale Sanderson, he'll get up in front of the team and talk and, you know, tell parable or this and that. | ||
| And then our director of ops needed the kids to go on their phones for something. | ||
| And he was like, all right, everybody get your phones. | ||
| It was something for tickets or something like that, for the matches. | ||
| Pull out your phones. | ||
| And he was like, of course, every single one of you. | ||
| It was like 30 kids on the team all had their phones on them. | ||
| We're about to practice. | ||
| We have a little set of bleachers that they sit in. | ||
| But every single kid on the team had their phone on them. | ||
| I feel like I missed it a little bit. | ||
| I'm a little older than that. | ||
| I'm 27, and the generation that I see below me, these dudes never are without their phone. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I'm still good. | ||
| I leave in my locker or whatever. | ||
| I don't even have my phone on me right now. | ||
| But some people, they can't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're attached to the hip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Elon was talking about that. | ||
| He said, we're essentially cyborgs already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just not in your body. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, with Neuralink, it's like, that's going. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
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| Yeah, have you seen that thing that they use that you put on your head and you can answer questions with it? | ||
| No. | ||
| What is this, Jim? | ||
| I tried to get you at GBT to give me a fight plan to fight Bo Nickel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It says just, you know, give up. | ||
| You cannot provide assistance or guidance on any activities that involve harm, violence, or illegal actions. | ||
| Planning or participating in a fight outside of a regulated and sanctioned sporting event is not only dangerous, but also against the law. | ||
| But I tricked it. | ||
| So I asked how to train for a sanctioned MMA match in Nevada under UFC rules against a professional fighter with a skill set equal to a wrestler such as Bo Nickel. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Choose a reputable gym. | ||
| Work on striking, grappling skills, good luck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Given Bo Nickel's wrestling background, focus on your wrestling skills to defend takedowns and initiate your own. | ||
| Oh, ChatGPT, you don't know how to fight. | ||
| You don't know jack shit, bitch. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It tries to give you something, but if you can keep asking it questions, then it'll get you better information. | ||
| Well, it's kind of answering the questions. | ||
| The problem is that's not possible. | ||
| Like what we talked about earlier, in four weeks, you're not going to be able to figure out how to take you down. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's literally not possible. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that if it could figure out a way to integrate a video where it could study every single second of fight film that a person has and now points out, all right, every time... | ||
| Every time you throw a low kick, they step to the left or something weird. | ||
| But then it's like, okay, well, that's valuable. | ||
| So it'll get there. | ||
| Well, I think if you can show fights, like say if you were supposed to fight a guy, let's say Sean Strickland, and then you take Sean Strickland, who's the UFC middleweight champion, and you put all of his fights... | ||
| And you put them into ChatGPT. | ||
| And then you take all of your fights and put that into ChatGPT. | ||
| And then it says, okay, this is where I believe you have an advantage and this is something that you can do, that you can take advantage of when you're looking at specific things that he does. | ||
| He has tics and patterns. | ||
| There's some guys that don't seem to have... | ||
| San Hagen's one of the best examples of a guy who doesn't seem to have any patterns. | ||
| He is so good at mixing things up. | ||
| Yeah, he really is. | ||
| I think that he's as good as it gets mixing it up, but I still believe that, for me at least, with my... | ||
| My attitude towards it. | ||
| If I were to fight Corey Sandhagen, I would watch, and I would start 10 weeks out. | ||
| I'd watch every single one of his fights, every second of the fight, break it down. | ||
| I'd probably spend 20 hours watching film, and then I would take a little time, and then I'd do it again. | ||
| And then I'd take a little time, and then I'd do it again. | ||
| I'd probably do it three times throughout a camp. | ||
| You're going to figure out some stuff. | ||
| Like, certain things. | ||
| Like, I was listening to a John Jones clip. | ||
| It was just a soundbite of him talking about how he analyzes film, which, to me, I think he's probably one of the best game planners in the sport right now, just with the way he breaks guys down. | ||
| But he was talking about something that was really interesting. | ||
| He was like, I even focus on how they flinch. | ||
| Like, if I throw a feint at them, like, how are they flinching? | ||
| Like, I've always thought about How does the guy react to certain techniques defensively? | ||
| But he takes it to a whole other level of, alright, if I feint a jab, does the guy flinch the same every time? | ||
| Does he try to catch it, or does he slip one way or the other? | ||
| You can really break it down. | ||
| To me, everybody's just a puzzle to solve. | ||
| A guy like Sandhagen would obviously be more difficult. | ||
| He doesn't repeat as much, but everybody has something. | ||
| I have something, everybody does. | ||
| Yeah, and I would imagine a computer, something like ChatGPT with artificial intelligence is going to be able to see that better than anybody will. | ||
| I would imagine, yeah. | ||
| And it could probably do it instantaneously versus having to spend 40 hours trying to figure it out. | ||
| I think we're the last natural people. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think this is the last generation of natural people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People that have no connection to the outside world other than through electronics that you hold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think in the future, that's just not going to be the case. | ||
| We're going to be a new version of human beings. | ||
| Well, even if you look at... | ||
| So, I'm a little old school, like... | ||
| I love being outside. | ||
| I like the outdoors. | ||
| I like going out, you know, five miles into the mountains and just, I got my bow and let's figure it out. | ||
| Like, let's figure out if I can make this happen. | ||
| And, uh, so I think about something like that and it's so pure and valuable to me, that real human experience. | ||
| And there's a lot of, obviously hunting is a great example, but there's a lot of different examples that, you know, you can have that in fighting as a good example, but It would be nice to have a GPS in my brain. | ||
| Have Onyx in my brain. | ||
| Mark your coordinates. | ||
| Or something where I could play a perfect elk bugle and a perfect cow call to where it doesn't have human error. | ||
| Yeah, but there's something fun about creating it yourself. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| I guess we're going to gain something and we're going to lose something. | ||
| Just like I'm sure we lost something by having the ability to fly across the country instead of taking a fucking wagon train. | ||
| Well, there's so many things just health-wise that I think have a huge impact. | ||
| Like look at hydrogenated oils, right? | ||
| Like hydrogenated oils, you know, vegetables and canola. | ||
| That stuff is like motor oil. | ||
| And now we use it for food as a preservative. | ||
| Like, I don't think the people that initially did that understood the health repercussions of it. | ||
| The same way, like, having something in your brain that's putting out 10,000 X EMFs. | ||
| Like, there's going to be other problems to solve. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And, you know, maybe it's... | ||
| Nothing's going to be wholly good or wholly bad, but it's a mixture of it. | ||
| Like you said, it's kind of just the way it's going. | ||
| It's the reality of it. | ||
| It doesn't seem like it's going to be able to be stopped. | ||
| It just seems like human beings have this insatiable thirst for innovation. | ||
| Everybody wants the latest, greatest thing, and everything is constantly moving forward. | ||
| I think it's hard for us to see it because we're in it, but I think we're... | ||
| You ever see where they take like a bowl almost and they spin like a marble around it and it goes around the circle and then as it gets lower it goes faster and faster and faster and faster. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's where we are. | ||
| Yeah, exponential, right? | ||
| The exponential increase. | ||
| Up here is when they invented the wheel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| AGI, Artificial General Intelligence. | ||
| It's like spinning at an insane rate. | ||
| And we're in the middle of it as biological human beings that are used to a certain timeline. | ||
| We're used to getting up in the morning, going to work, doing our things. | ||
| We have timelines, and we think of the world as being kind of static. | ||
| Linear. | ||
| Right, but it's not. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I think that... | ||
| So I've read this before, and I think there was a study that backed it, but humans, we can't understand things that naturally... | ||
| We can maybe be taught, but our natural understanding of something like compound interest, we don't get that. | ||
| That's why a lot of people think, All right, I'm not going to invest and put $5,000 or $7,000 into a Roth IRA. What's that going to do for me? | ||
| But in reality, in 30 years, it's going to be $5 million or something like that. | ||
| So we don't have a natural inclination to think that way. | ||
| And so I feel like with what you just said, how many... | ||
| A hundred years ago, imagine you showed somebody an iPhone. | ||
| Not even a hundred years ago. | ||
| Imagine 20 years ago you showed somebody an iPhone. | ||
| That's such a short amount of time. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Because if you look at, let's say, zero to 1,500 Not that crazy of a difference. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or even like 0 to 1800, like until the Industrial Revolution, really. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, we're still getting around on boats and wagons and things like that. | ||
| All right, but that wouldn't really blow your mind too much. | ||
| Like, oh, they got a nicer boat or crazier wagon. | ||
| It's like, okay, now I see a train. | ||
| Okay, now I see an automobile. | ||
| Now I see a plane. | ||
| Okay, now we got an iPhone. | ||
| It's like, whoa. | ||
| Now I can FaceTime somebody in New Zealand. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| What's it going to be in? | ||
| Like you said, days go slow, years go fast. | ||
| In five years, the technology is already so different. | ||
| It's going to be the wildest. | ||
| The end is this battle where these enormous companies are trying to control the population. | ||
| Because when people protest about things and people aren't on board with things, it fucks up their ability to make money. | ||
| So they're trying to get as much control over what people say and do as possible. | ||
| And the governments are stepping in and trying to get as much say and control over these internet companies as possible. | ||
| And you see this integration of the FBI and Twitter with the Twitter files. | ||
| It's like, boy, there's a battle going on. | ||
| Stuff scares me, man. | ||
| It should. | ||
| Part of it, like, my initial reaction is... | ||
| I gotta do whatever I can do to help and make this positive and not let evil people take over. | ||
| And then part of me is like, Dude, you're like a 27-year-old MMA fighter. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| Yeah, just chill out. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, you know, it's like a balance, right? | ||
| I mean, we all have our day-to-day life, family and things going on and, you know, got to get an oil change on your car and things like that. | ||
| And then it's like... | ||
| Alright, well there's also pretty significant evidence that we have some extraterrestrials flying around Earth. | ||
| There's pretty much explicit evidence that certain people and organizations are trying to mass manipulate the entire population and make it... | ||
| I forget what they call it, but basically whatever the thing where they're making all the world... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you know what I'm talking about? | ||
| What's the organization? | ||
| One World Order? | ||
| World Economic Forum? | ||
| World Economic Forum, and they're talking about the... | ||
| I don't remember what their whole plan was, but basically like... | ||
| It's global control. | ||
| Yeah, the control, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's spooky. | ||
| And when it comes from a guy like Klaus Schwab who dresses like a villain from Star Wars and talks like a Nazi. | ||
| How many more people not pay attention to that? | ||
| He seems like so on the nose. | ||
| Imagine the compliance. | ||
| Is that a real person? | ||
| Imagine the compliance. | ||
| That was actually Borla from Pfizer. | ||
| Oh, it wasn't the same guy? | ||
| No, Borla from Pfizer was talking about a pill that you would take Like, say if you took a pill, some sort of pharmaceutical pill, and the pill has a signal that it sends to people that it shows that you took it. | ||
| And then it's like, imagine the compliance. | ||
| Like, hey man, fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, no thanks. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| You're lucky you're still alive, buddy, with that kind of talk. | ||
| Yeah, seriously, no, that's insane. | ||
| You're a real threat to freedom with that kind of talk. | ||
| Like, obviously, your drugs have not gone through the rigorous tests that you claim they have. | ||
| Because the side effects that people experience from a lot of your fucking drugs are dangerous as shit. | ||
| And if you're fast-tracking drugs and then imagine the compliance on these fast-tracking drugs with, by the way, the crazy thing when it comes to things like vaccines, there's no repercussions. | ||
| You can't even sue. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's like, okay, let's say it really does go down and they get in trouble and they made $11 billion. | ||
| Okay, they get fined $5 billion. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Net positive on their mind. | ||
| They're like, I don't give a crap. | ||
| That's exactly what happened with Vioxx. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Which, you know, Guy Metzger took that shit and Guy Metzger had a stroke. | ||
| Do you remember Guy Massacre from back in the day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a fucking stroke from Vioxx. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| And he was in his 30s. | ||
| I'm so skeptical and I feel very glad that I'm the age I am because I feel like people a little older than me, they got that heavy and they didn't really see a lot of the repercussions. | ||
| They were the ones that got the negative ends of it. | ||
| And I think a lot of people, at least Maybe their parents were a little more awake to that type of thing, but for sure it's huge now. | ||
| I see on Instagram, every single person I see is buying 10 acres, homesteading, getting chickens. | ||
| Drinking raw milk, eating beef liver, that's the trend now. | ||
| People are starting to see, I'm not going to freaking eat McDonald's and take these drugs and do this crap. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| Well, that was one of the craziest things about that interview that I had with Peter Hotez. | ||
| He was telling everybody's got to get vaccinated and take these medications. | ||
| What are you doing for your body? | ||
| Do you work out? | ||
| What do you eat? | ||
| And he eats junk food and he doesn't work out. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| You think you're going to medicate your way to health? | ||
| That's never happened. | ||
| That's not how it works, man. | ||
| It doesn't work at all. | ||
| It takes effort. | ||
| And the thing is, too, if you just stay on top of it a little bit, you're going to be good. | ||
| I'm not worried about getting the flu. | ||
| I'm not worried about my wife getting the flu. | ||
| Dude, I never get sick. | ||
| I don't know about you, but maybe once a year I have a little sniffle or something. | ||
| But other than that, I feel very freaking good. | ||
| And I'm taking care of myself. | ||
| And all the people that I'm around... | ||
| Everybody is like a professional athlete or a coach who's still very active competing. | ||
| It's like, we're all like that. | ||
| But that's why it was so crazy when they're mandating it for the NFL. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| These guys aren't even going to feel COVID. Dude, yeah. | ||
| To me, it's a weird thing because it got people, it tugged at their heartstrings so much. | ||
| Oh, I don't want to kill my grandmother. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| We don't want people that are at risk to be sick. | ||
| We don't want those people sick regardless. | ||
| If COVID never happened, you don't want those people to get sick anyways. | ||
| But why is it all of a sudden this whole thing, everybody's freaking out when it's Nobody's dying of this. | ||
| It was a mass psychology experiment. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| Unfortunately, they learned a lot. | ||
| They learned a lot about how quickly people roll over. | ||
| Well, I hope that there are more people now, too, that feel... | ||
| More skeptical and more inclined to ask questions and feel like they can just make a decision what's best for them based on the information rather than the emotional response, right? | ||
| So many people got with the emotion of it, and they didn't actually look into it. | ||
| And I was glad that, you know, I feel like you set a good example and people that you're around of getting the information out there. | ||
| It's like, I don't really care what... | ||
| You want to think, like, this is the right info. | ||
| This is the truth. | ||
| And that's what people should know. | ||
| They should just know the facts. | ||
| If this is good for you, great. | ||
| If this is terrible for you, okay, cool. | ||
| Now we know. | ||
| And pay very close attention to people that are fighting against the truth and fighting against that information. | ||
| Because what's interesting about now, and one of the things that McKenna talked about with the internet, is that I don't think anybody ever anticipated things like podcasts, like the Huberman Show or Peter Attia Show or Lex Friedman Show, where you're getting unbiased information, scientific information that is not connected to any official information. | ||
| Government agency or news source where they're vetting all that and telling you what you can and can't say. | ||
| And when you do say something that goes against their narrative, they fucking come for you hard. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| But what they don't understand is... | ||
| People don't believe them. | ||
| Look at what's happened to CNN. CNN's falling apart. | ||
| Nobody believes them. | ||
| Nobody believes them. | ||
| Oh, you're propaganda. | ||
| You guys are full of shit. | ||
| You don't give a fuck about the truth. | ||
| And people started to realize, too, it's like, okay, if somebody can make money off something, if they're getting paid for this and that, You can't trust that information. | ||
| This is their livelihood on the line. | ||
| Take everything they say with a grain of salt. | ||
| You've got to get information from people who have no financial interest in it. | ||
| Otherwise, you don't know. | ||
| You have no idea. | ||
| But it is a great time though to get information because you're getting, like I talked about Huberman who's so fucking fantastic, you're getting unbiased source information from a legitimate scientist from Stanford Who's telling you, this works, and this is why it works, and these specific nutrients are responsible for these specific things that happen in your body. | ||
| This was never available before, and now it's available for millions and millions of people. | ||
| I mean, the Huberman's podcast is gigantic, and people are listening to it every day. | ||
| They're changing their life. | ||
| They're doing cold plunges and saunas, and they're eating well. | ||
| And they are eating healthy foods. | ||
| They are avoiding seed oils. | ||
| And people are seeing these immense physical benefits from it, health benefits from it. | ||
| Yeah, it's super exciting, you know, as somebody who I feel like, as an athlete, I kind of had to be a little ahead of the curve on that, just because I wanted to take care of myself. | ||
| And so, you know, The cold plunge, the sauna, the nutrition, what's good for you, what's bad for you, understanding certain things. | ||
| My mom and dad are doing cold plunge every morning now. | ||
| I'm like, let's go. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| My parents have done sauna that don't do cold plunge. | ||
| I'm like, come on. | ||
| Hey, come on. | ||
| I go, I'll get you one. | ||
| We'll put it at 50 degrees. | ||
| Just do a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, just do it for 30 seconds. | ||
| So I've got them thinking about it. | ||
| I go, listen, you'll feel happier. | ||
| You'll feel happier. | ||
| It'll make you feel better. | ||
| I love, so my, me and my buddy Anthony, we do. | ||
| So for us, our schedule, Wednesday is just recovery day. | ||
| So we'll go in, we'll do some contrast. | ||
| We're tinkering with it a little bit. | ||
| We're gonna start doing some Huberman protocols with sauna cold plunge and stuff. | ||
| The best ever is, we do five minute rounds on the cold plunge, so we go a little long. | ||
| The best ever is we do like 15 or so minutes of, we call it shiver time after. | ||
| So we'll go cold, just shiver and freaking shake. | ||
| And then you let your body kind of come back and regulate and get warm. | ||
| And then we go in a hot shower and I'm like, I feel so good. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| You can't beat this. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| It's a euphoric feeling. | ||
| If you could get a pill that would make you feel that good, everybody would be taking it. | ||
| Your doctor would be like, Bo, what we need to give you is happy. | ||
| Take this happy. | ||
| Take 50 milligrams of happy in the morning, and then 50 milligrams of happy at dinner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you'll be happy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I think they have that. | ||
| It's like freaking heroin and stuff, right? | ||
| I think that's different. | ||
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| That makes you crash your car and fight with cops. | ||
| What Cold Plunge does is it's just, without any negative side effects, it elevates your mood, ramps up your dopamine... | ||
| It ramps up your dopamine by 200%, and it lasts for hours. | ||
| Hours. | ||
| I feel great when I do that. | ||
| I mean, I've been doing it for a long time, so now it's like, but I look forward to it still. | ||
| Every week, I'm like, nice, let's go. | ||
| Yeah, I look forward to it, too, until I'm right about to get in. | ||
| That's the worst. | ||
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| I like putting it off. | ||
| My buddy Anthony, the guy I mentioned, he's such a savage. | ||
| We go in first, just hop in, and he'll go up to his chin. | ||
| We have the jets and stuff, so it's freaking going. | ||
| Do you have a blue cube? | ||
| No, we just have, so at Penn State, we have like a recovery room, and there's just a hot tub and a cold tub. | ||
| So they're like, think like a regular hot tub in the ground with crazy jets, but it's 40 degrees or whatever, 38 degrees. | ||
| And so it's kind of similar, I think. | ||
| Yeah, very similar. | ||
| But less compact, so probably a little less intense. | ||
| So we'll sit in that. | ||
| And I used to go to my belly button or to my chest, and he would go to his chin every time. | ||
| And I would just be looking at him and I'm like, I'm a pussy. | ||
| It was so good. | ||
| Now I go up to my neck. | ||
| But it's good that we do it together because sometimes I'm like, ah. | ||
| I don't want to do it. | ||
| Yesterday I had to climb under sheets of ice. | ||
| I had to get under it. | ||
| Because at my house I have a morosco. | ||
| And the morosco is 34 degrees. | ||
| And what happens is on cold days, like yesterday morning it was like 34 degrees out. | ||
| So when I got in it, all the ice from the bottom forms and then floats up to the top. | ||
| So I've got this three inch thick slabs of ice. | ||
| And I had to climb in and lift the ice up and slide under it. | ||
| So there's literally like these huge sheets of ice that are three inches thick. | ||
| They're right in front of my face. | ||
| I'm like, fuckity fuck, fuck, fuck. | ||
| But you also feel cool that you can do it. | ||
| I love the fact that I can talk myself into doing it every... | ||
| I did it right before I came here. | ||
| I do it every goddamn day. | ||
| And when I do it every day... | ||
| I do it before workouts. | ||
| That's my thing now. | ||
| I do it first thing in the morning. | ||
| And there's been some studies... | ||
| Was it out of Japan that they had those studies that showed it ramped up testosterone? | ||
| Pretty significantly. | ||
| Significant increase in testosterone when you do... | ||
| The cold plunge pre-workout. | ||
| So I do the cold plunge pre-workout. | ||
| And what I do is I have a series of bodyweight exercises that I do that warm me up. | ||
| Bodyweight squats, push-ups. | ||
| So you don't go hot after? | ||
| You just warm me up from working out? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't do hot until after I'm done training. | ||
| I like to do hot with elevated heart rate. | ||
| I like to do hot right after I do rounds in the bag. | ||
| I like to finish my workout with Tabatas. | ||
| So either I finish my workout with Tabatas on an Airdyne bike or a heavy bag. | ||
| And then once I do that, then I like to go in when I'm at 90 beats per second, or per minute rather, and I go right in when my heart's already pounding. | ||
| And then I get in that 185 degrees and just throw some water on the rocks and fucking suck it up. | ||
| That's a wrestling style. | ||
| Yeah, you have to do it that way. | ||
| Look, if you want it to be effective, it's got to be difficult. | ||
| I mean, when you're dealing with cold and heat exposure, it can't be comfortable. | ||
| It's got to suck a fat dick, and that's the only way to do it. | ||
| It's the only way. | ||
| I love stuff like that that's just... | ||
| It's just hard that I know other people aren't willing to do. | ||
| It makes me feel like I'm really living life. | ||
| Because if everything's just comfortable and easy and you're never really that stressed and your body's never put under any pressure, you're just kind of floating and you're good. | ||
| And I'm like, I would friggin' blow my brains out if I had to live that way. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I gotta do hard things all the time. | ||
| And I think that a lot of people are starting to Get more into that where their priority isn't comfort. | ||
| I think for a long time in human history, the priority was just stay alive and if you can be a little comfortable, then that's great. | ||
| But they were in circumstances where 80% of their life was really difficult already. | ||
| So when they got that comfort, they enjoyed it. | ||
| When you can sit on a couch in front of the fire after you've just been fucking busting your ass all day, exhausted, that's when comfort is appreciated and valuable. | ||
| And it means something to you. | ||
| And when you got that, when humans were able to get that easily through cars and grocery stores and planes and things where everything was kind of cell phones at your hand, that stuff is such a distraction from being the best version of yourself. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's really, I think, one of the only ways that a person is happy. | ||
| If they are being the best version of themselves. | ||
| And that takes work. | ||
| My friend Michael Easter, who's been a guest on this podcast before, wrote a book called The Comfort Crisis. | ||
| And it's all about that. | ||
| This bizarre place that we are where so many people are just seeking comfort and taking the path of least resistance and trying to do things the easiest way possible. | ||
| And people have never been more depressed, never been more unhappy, never been more unsatisfied, more lost. | ||
| More existential crisis and it's got to be connected to that because I think the human body and the human mind have Requirements in terms of you need tasks and you need difficult things to do and if you don't do those things There's a contrast you don't enjoy the easy moments unless you have hard moments. | ||
| Oh for sure Yeah, I mean I know for a fact that's true because If I were to just go eat an In-N-Out cheeseburger, it would be nice. | ||
| It would be good. | ||
| But after I go through a full fight camp and I cut 20 pounds and then I go win a fight and then I head to In-N-Out and have that cheeseburger, I'm like, hell yeah. | ||
| This is so good. | ||
| But I don't want too much of that. | ||
| I don't want too much of the dopamine from other things or whatever it is because... | ||
| Then it's just not as good. | ||
| When I was in high school, probably my senior high school, we had homecoming and prom. | ||
| I think I drank a little bit there. | ||
| Then I told myself, let's lock it up. | ||
| I'm going to go five years of college. | ||
| I'm not having a sip of alcohol. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| So I went all five years. | ||
| Didn't go to bars, didn't party, no alcohol, nothing. | ||
| Just straight up focus and that was it. | ||
| And then I remember my buddy and I, Anthony, the guy I keep bringing up, we both won national titles our senior year and the next week we went out and we had a freaking time. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| You earned it. | ||
| You really earned it. | ||
| And now I'm back on that grind where I'm like, nothing. | ||
| I'm not doing... | ||
| No alcohol. | ||
| Go to a wedding. | ||
| I want a cigar. | ||
| Sorry, bud. | ||
| No cigar. | ||
| None of that stuff. | ||
| And I love being able to do that. | ||
| A lot of times I'll talk in my head like, damn, it'd be nice. | ||
| I'm eating this fat ribeye, have a glass of wine and wind down. | ||
| And I'm like, No, no. | ||
| You need to earn this, right? | ||
| I like giving myself those little edges where I know I'm sacrificing something. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's what makes a champion. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun too. | ||
| Hey, I wanted to talk to you about Sam Calavita. | ||
| I'm very fascinated by that guy because I've seen some of the footage of the training sessions that they put on in his garage with TJ Dillashaw. | ||
| Juan Archuleta and a lot of those guys that go down there and train with him. | ||
| And it just seems like he's got very unusual strength and conditioning approaches. | ||
| Yeah, he's the man. | ||
| Coach Cal, I don't even like to talk about the garage because it's like PTSD, like seriously. | ||
| I feel like the trauma that I've lived in my life has been through, you know, I've been very fortunate, so I haven't been through any real trauma, but in my mind the real trauma is like Losing at competitions and these crazy hard training sessions and the garage really, dude. | ||
| It's like, bro, he kills us every time. | ||
| And it's interesting that it is just like a two-car garage. | ||
| So, yeah, you just roll up to his house. | ||
| Pull up the video of Sam Calavita at the garage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got everything just kind of organized and stacked in there. | ||
| And you've got world-class fighters that are training with this guy in this fucking garage. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Hey, just let it play. | ||
| Yeah, he's a different breed of human being. | ||
| Coach Cal, you should have him on. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| He's literally the best guy in the world. | ||
| Coach Cal, let's do it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'll talk to him about it, too. | ||
| Yeah, show some of the footage of the actual training. | ||
| But it's a very humble little place. | ||
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| It's not big at all. | ||
| Just do the work. | ||
| There's TJ before he had to go through massive shoulder surgery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel terrible for that guy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| No, rough. | ||
| Well, I knew that his super spinatuses had been torn on both shoulders early in his career. | ||
| And I think that the hard part is some guys are a little too tough for their own good. | ||
| Like with Coach Cal... | ||
| You got to be very... | ||
| You got to communicate with them. | ||
| Back up so we can see that garage again. | ||
| Because it's kind of crazy. | ||
| It's kind of crazy that this is one of the most respected strength and conditioning establishments in the world. | ||
| And it's a normal suburban home with a two-car garage. | ||
| And that is where all these people go to train with one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world. | ||
| Yeah, so last time I was down there, he's like, hey, you want to get a workout in? | ||
| I was doing a bunch of testing and stuff for baseline for my VO2 and all different types of things. | ||
| And he's like, hey, Bo, you want to go get a workout in? | ||
| We'll go down to the beach. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| We do some sand workouts and stuff. | ||
| It's not that crazy. | ||
| It's like a fun one. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| All right, yeah, yeah, let's do it. | ||
| He's like, okay, meet my house in 45 minutes. | ||
| And he's very, like, so soft-spoken. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, yeah, no problem, let's do it. | ||
| And I'm solo, so it's, like, just me. | ||
| And, which, I don't know, I think it makes it worse. | ||
| Because when you're with people, it's like, you know they're doing it, too. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And so I show up, and he's got his garage door open, and he's got, like, the big-ass, you know, 70 to 120-pound med balls set out and, like, all this stuff. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| What's up, coach? | ||
| I was like, oh, we're going to go to the beach. | ||
| He's like, oh, no, I changed my mind. | ||
| We're just going to do it. | ||
| I'm like, you. | ||
| Son of a bitch. | ||
| You got me, bro. | ||
| He literally destroyed me, dude. | ||
| He always does this thing, too, where It goes 0-100 at the beginning. | ||
| It's not too much to where you're going to get injured or anything, but the workout will be like, alright, hop on this BOSU ball, and I'm going to throw this 70-pound med ball at you as hard as I can. | ||
| You're going to catch it and throw it back to me, and we're just going to freaking get after it. | ||
| Or hold on to this 50-pound med ball and hop backwards up this hill. | ||
| It's like, start going, go, go. | ||
| And you're just like, oh, go, go, go. | ||
| And you'll go for... | ||
| Like an hour or, you know, hour and 15 minutes doing whatever he says. | ||
| And he's like, all right, good. | ||
| Warm-up's done. | ||
| Now let's, you know, let's, let's turn. | ||
| And dude, he's literally- Warm-up's done. | ||
| Bro, I'm not kidding. | ||
| Hour and 15 minutes of hell and that's the warm-up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm trying to think like of, I don't want to give away like his stuff, but, uh, so like, so, so I did that one workout. | ||
| I did that for basically like an hour, just heavy med ball stuff. | ||
| And then, um, We did a bunch of, what was it? | ||
| We did some heavy lifts after that. | ||
| And then from there, he gets his sled out. | ||
| And he's like, alright, we're going to push the sled. | ||
| And he doesn't tell you how far you're going to go or anything. | ||
| And so we just start pushing the sled. | ||
| And so we go all the way up the hill and around the corner. | ||
| So you see this road right behind him? | ||
| So we go up that road all the way around the corner. | ||
| And it's me and Anthony. | ||
| We're going back and forth on the sled. | ||
| It's like, push till you fail, push till you fail. | ||
| And we probably did it 60 times each, just to get up around this corner. | ||
| And we're like, oh, we're done. | ||
| And then he's like, all right, turn around. | ||
| Now we're going to do pull. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| So then we pulled it all the way back. | ||
| And then I'm like, all right, finally, we're done. | ||
| And he goes, okay, bike time. | ||
| Hop on the bike. | ||
| And this is like two hours and 30 minutes in. | ||
| And I'm like, Jesus, okay. | ||
| Is there too much work, though? | ||
| So I think that when we live in Pennsylvania, right? | ||
| So we're not there every day. | ||
| So when we go out there, he likes to stick it to us a little bit. | ||
| He's like, let's see if you're tough enough for the garage type thing. | ||
| I'm like, coach, I've been working with you for six years. | ||
| I think I'm kind of tough. | ||
| But whenever we go out there, he'll give us the business a little bit. | ||
| I can imagine. | ||
| But is there a concern, though, that that would require too much recovery time if it's not a regular part of your routine? | ||
| I think that... | ||
| If it's just a one-time thing, a lot of times it's not... | ||
| We're traveling out there to get testing done, things like that. | ||
| When we're doing our actual program, it's back home in Pennsylvania. | ||
| So then we'll get maybe one workout with him out in Cali. | ||
| So he's like, just freaking hammer us. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| And then, all right, now you've got a few days. | ||
| Travel back home. | ||
| You're rested. | ||
| Go get to your normal workout. | ||
| Our normal workouts aren't that crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what is the benefit of like that long of a training session other than mental? | ||
| I think it's mental. | ||
| And it's like afterwards. | ||
| So you can't even really be, you know, after a good workout, you're like, I feel good. | ||
| I think that it's just seeing how far you can push yourself. | ||
| Like, all right, where can I get? | ||
| And then let's go further. | ||
| Let's go further. | ||
| Let's go further. | ||
| Let's like just... | ||
| See where you can go. | ||
| Because I don't feel like physically, it's not a physical benefit thing. | ||
| And a lot of times, too, he's teaching us a lot of new things that we're implementing in the program. | ||
| So he might do three or four different things that are different days for us, but we have to learn them and how to do the exercises there, and we only have one day to do it. | ||
| So now it's like we're doing all of this in one, whereas now I'll go back home and this will be split up. | ||
| So he's trying to teach us stuff as well. | ||
| But it's more just like, hey man, you want to work with me? | ||
| Let's see if you're tough. | ||
| Do you think you're a tough guy? | ||
| Like, all right, we'll see. | ||
| When you have these very brutal training sessions, are you using heart rate monitors? | ||
| Are you monitoring your heart rate variability? | ||
| Are you monitoring your recovery rate, your resting heart rate to make sure that you're not overtraining? | ||
| Are you... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Everything's monitored. | ||
| Yeah, so he has a program. | ||
| He has an app. | ||
| And anybody can use it, actually, which is pretty cool. | ||
| So I think it's just Training Lab app. | ||
| And you get a heart rate monitor from him. | ||
| And so for me, when I'm in camp and training, I keep my heart rate and all that information gets sent to him. | ||
| So I can look at it if I want. | ||
| But he's the one that's analyzing it and looking at it and making sure that everything's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very open dialogue. | ||
| A big thing in combat sports and wrestling and stuff is you don't really say, like, I'm kind of feeling, I'm kind of tired. | ||
| You just tough it out. | ||
| But if you're a real professional, you need to be in communication and say certain things. | ||
| Okay, so a good example. | ||
| A couple camps ago, we upped my overall weekly volume as the camp goes on. | ||
| And I got to a point where I was pretty friggin tired feeling it. | ||
| And I actually broke out in herpes because I was stressed. | ||
| My body was stressed. | ||
| And he was like, all right, well, now we found your limit. | ||
| So now our overall volume for the week, this is kind of where we stop. | ||
| So we know what you can do. | ||
| And so there's a lot of analyzing, a lot of science and algorithms and different things that he utilizes. | ||
| And fortunately for me, I don't have to learn all those things. | ||
| He's the expert. | ||
| So I just trust him. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's great. | ||
| That's definitely a great thing to have. | ||
| And it's amazing that he's got this app that he can monitor when you're not even there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's huge because obviously being in different places and stuff, and I don't want to guess. | ||
| I don't want to guess whether or not I'm ready to go or whether or not I'm doing everything in an optimal way. | ||
| I want to know for a fact. | ||
| And that's why we do hair analysis for minerals and tissue and things like that. | ||
| That's why we test our VO2s. | ||
| That's why we test our crossover points and our resting metabolic rates and things like this. | ||
| That's why we do all those things because I'm not interested in guessing. | ||
| I'm not interested in kind of feeling like I've done everything right. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| How do you, because you're saying you essentially organize everything yourself when you're back at home. | ||
| How do you decide, like, when to do strength and conditioning, when to do skill acquisition, when to do specific drills? | ||
| So, because I have trained so much and so long and because my dad was a coach, so my dad was always putting programs together for his teams, understanding Peaking, understanding how to periodize, understanding when we want to have tough matches, when we want to push ourselves. | ||
| That was something I was always around. | ||
| And then coming into Penn State, it was like that on steroids. | ||
| And so I think a lot of it is just learned and absorbed from what I've been around. | ||
| And just seeing a typical schedule of when our coaches have had us do certain things and when we've had recovery days and stuff. | ||
| So it's not something that I've really had to go find. | ||
| It's just been ingrained in me since I was five. | ||
| And I had a good example with my dad because he coached... | ||
| Tons and tons of high school state champions, state championship teams, and guys who went on to compete in college and do big things. | ||
| I got that solid idea of what it takes to organize a program very young. | ||
| Like I said, when I got to college, it was like, okay, here's a new level. | ||
| Then I started working with Coach Cal. | ||
| Boom, new level. | ||
| And now I'm always kind of looking for things to up that, to do better, to improve, to add in. | ||
| Or things that maybe aren't serving me as much anymore and we kind of do away. | ||
| So it's just something that's on my mind. | ||
| That's my job. | ||
| My job is to take care of myself. | ||
| This is my profession. | ||
| Okay, I want to choose this path. | ||
| Now you've got to take all of the responsibility that comes with that And be a professional. | ||
| So that's kind of how I feel like I've been able to organize it the way I have. | ||
| And when you organize these training sessions, how do you organize recovery? | ||
| Do you organize it based on the data that you're getting from the app and from your heart rate monitor? | ||
| How are you doing that? | ||
| Or is it just like a A thing that you do every day? | ||
| I have a weekly schedule. | ||
| So everything's scheduled out for the week. | ||
| And typically the weeks are very... | ||
| It's like a similar base, right? | ||
| So like Monday I'll get two sessions. | ||
| Tuesday I'll get two sessions. | ||
| Wednesday, recovery. | ||
| I'm off. | ||
| Thursday, two sessions. | ||
| Friday, one. | ||
| Saturday, one. | ||
| Sunday, off. | ||
| And those sessions are all different, right? | ||
| Monday, typically, the morning is like striking, afternoon wrestling. | ||
| Tuesday, morning spar, afternoon lift. | ||
| Off Wednesday. | ||
| Thursday morning, grappling. | ||
| Afternoon, light wrestling. | ||
| Friday, my heavier spar day. | ||
| Saturday, lift. | ||
| Sunday, off. | ||
| So you always like to take two days off a week? | ||
| That's the standard, yeah. | ||
| That's for me what I feel like is the right move. | ||
| And I think people are doing too much, honestly. | ||
| People are going every day, twice a day, and it's like... | ||
| Not really, to me, manageable, reasonable, and I think they're overtrained. | ||
| How did you come to those conclusions? | ||
| Was it through data or was it through trial and error? | ||
| Well, that two days off comes from Coach Cal. | ||
| Yeah, that's from him and all of his data and his trial and error, and also, like, From Penn State, from our program, how we've run things and stuff. | ||
| So that was a standard for me as soon as I got to college. | ||
| Two days. | ||
| And do you take those days off? | ||
| Are you watching tape? | ||
| Are you studying things? | ||
| Yeah, so Wednesday is more of an active recovery. | ||
| So I'll go in. | ||
| And I'm really fortunate because my buddy Anthony, me and him are on the exact same schedule. | ||
| So we always just do everything together, which is great. | ||
| Because now I have a partner to do all these things with. | ||
| But we have a bunch of basically bodyweight exercises and stretches and certain things that we do alongside the contrast tubbing and sauna. | ||
| And then I'll either get a massage or go to the chiro and basically just take care of all the little things I need to. | ||
| I have specific injuries I need to focus on. | ||
| To me, you get an injury, you don't just do rehab for eight weeks and then move on. | ||
| I'm always taking care of these things so that I never have re-aggravated. | ||
| I'm staying ahead. | ||
| And so that's the day where I do all of that stuff. | ||
| And then Sunday is nothing. | ||
| Sunday, I go to church. | ||
| I hang out with my wife and see my family. | ||
| Maybe do a Sunday dinner with people. | ||
| And that's more of an emotional mental recovery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, what has the UFC said in terms of setting you up for a fight in the future? | ||
| Do you have anything lined up? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So no opponent yet, but I'm going to fight UFC 300. Ooh. | ||
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| That's a big one. | ||
| I know, yeah. | ||
| April, right? | ||
| Is that April? | ||
| April, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that Vegas? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah, I'm fired up. | ||
| That's going to be fun. | ||
| And no opponent yet. | ||
| Now, are you asking for a specific level of opponent? | ||
| Are you trying to get someone in the top 15? | ||
| Like, what are you trying to do? | ||
| So my goal for this next fight is... | ||
| You know, just whoever they give me. | ||
| I'm still on my first contract, so I kind of want to fight this out and then see as it goes. | ||
| How many fights are in that contract? | ||
| I have two left. | ||
| Yeah, so it was four. | ||
| So I would like to fight this fight, and then my next fight, I would like to get somebody that's maybe right outside the rankings, right in there, like in the mix. | ||
| And then hopefully that'll be ideally like July. | ||
| And then if I get... | ||
| I'll at least get one more next year, maybe two, and then I would like to, after that, obviously fight a ranked guy. | ||
| So hopefully a ranked guy, my third fighter next year. | ||
| And how much time are you looking to have in between fights? | ||
| Well, I told my manager, I was like, if they could book me... | ||
| For UFC Miami in March and go again in April because I feel like whoever they put in front of me, I'm going to kill them. | ||
| So let's do it. | ||
| They're like, they don't really do that. | ||
| He's like, so you can either just do the UFC Miami card and then hopefully something, maybe something will fall out and you'll get there or you can guarantee yourself on 300. And I was like, well, I'd rather, I really want to fight on UFC 300. So let's just do that. | ||
| So that's April, May, June, July. | ||
| So then I'll basically run those back to back. | ||
| And then after that, I don't want to plan too far ahead because who knows what happens in MMA, right? | ||
| But after that, I mean, I'm ready to go. | ||
| If I finish a guy again, let's go again. | ||
| That's kind of how I feel. | ||
| Well, the division that you're in, the 185-pound division, is so exciting right now. | ||
| When Strickland beat Adesanya and opened it up, and when Drekas Duplessis beat down Robert Whittaker, a lot of things opened up. | ||
| This is a very, very exciting time. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I feel like there's a lot of good guys, but I like where I'm at. | ||
| I think I'm a tough matchup for any of these guys. | ||
| They all want to fight me now because I'm the worst that I'll be, right? | ||
| So you hear some of these guys talking about me and stuff like they want to fight me now. | ||
| I'm like, that's smart, you know, because where I'm at right now is not going to be where I'm at in six months. | ||
| It's not going to be where I'm at in a year. | ||
| Well, that's why I'm so excited to see you in April. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you got so good in two fucking years. | ||
| What is going to happen to you with the six months off or seven months off? | ||
| Yeah, and I'm not the type of guy to just train in camp. | ||
| I'm always on it, obviously. | ||
| So I'm always getting better and improving. | ||
| Which is gigantic. | ||
| That's where the real gains are made. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I agree, for sure. | ||
| It's interesting because I've had five professional fights. | ||
| You know, I don't know what somebody's going to game plan for. | ||
| It's like, alright, you watch me beat five guys basically in like six minutes combined total time. | ||
| Like, okay, study that, bud. | ||
| Like, good luck. | ||
| And I'm not even going to be the same. | ||
| I'm taking however many months, that's like 40% of my total training time in my career. | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| I'm not even going to be close to what I was this last fight. | ||
| And even in this last fight, you've got 30 seconds to watch. | ||
| It's so bananas that you've gone this far in just a couple of years. | ||
| I haven't even been hit yet. | ||
| No, seriously, go back and watch all my fights. | ||
| So my last fight, I cracked the dude with the right hook, and he kind of came over the top and barely touched my head, but it was almost like a slap. | ||
| I didn't even feel it. | ||
| But I don't even count that. | ||
| I have not been hit in five professional fights, two amateur fights. | ||
| I've been hit on training, obviously, but... | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird... | ||
| I didn't expect this. | ||
| I expected, like I said, to have a different path, but here I am, and I'm going to make the most of it, and I'm excited to just keep getting better is the main thing. | ||
| I just want to keep getting better, improve, improve, improve. | ||
| I have big goals and stuff, but the main thing is just keep getting better. | ||
| Well, I'm a fan, man. | ||
| I'm very excited to watch this. | ||
| One more thing I want to talk to you about is how'd you get into bow hunting? | ||
| Yeah, so I grew up, my dad and granddad hunted, and they were interested in hunting and stuff. | ||
| And so when I graduated college in 2019, I was kind of thinking, like, all right, I want to figure out other things I'm interested in. | ||
| I actually saw Cam Haynes on Instagram and I was like, oh, this looks cool. | ||
| I kind of always have enjoyed the outdoors and stuff. | ||
| I've always been into my nutrition and I was really interested. | ||
| I was like, I want to hunt for my food that I eat. | ||
| I want to be eating elk and deer and things like that. | ||
| So then I started thinking about getting a bow and stuff, and it wasn't like a rushed decision. | ||
| I took probably almost six or eight months where I was thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking about it. | ||
| And then I finally was like, alright, I really want this. | ||
| I'm going to do it. | ||
| And so then I got hooked up with Lancaster Archery. | ||
| They're a great archery shop. | ||
| They're a great place. | ||
| I buy a lot of my shit from them. | ||
| No, they're awesome. | ||
| Is this an elk hunt you went on? | ||
| This was New Mexico this year, yeah. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Is that your first elk hunt? | ||
| First archery elk. | ||
| Archery elk hunt in New Mexico for the first one. | ||
| That's the promised land. | ||
| Yeah, it was great, man. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that was this September. | ||
| Yeah, you're all hooked up. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Cool, you. | ||
| Dude, it's so funny. | ||
| You got a PSE bow. | ||
| You're ready to go, man. | ||
| I'm ready to go, yeah. | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| Man, it's like the exact same feeling as knocking somebody out cold. | ||
| It's one of the most exciting things I've ever done. | ||
| It's so fun, man. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Bowhunting is also so complicated. | ||
| It's so difficult. | ||
| There's so many moving parts. | ||
| It's a dance. | ||
| Oh my gosh, yeah. | ||
| So many things happening. | ||
| Should I stand here by the tree? | ||
| Which way is he coming? | ||
| You know, with the wind and the range, do I have a chance to range them or am I gonna just like range areas and guess? | ||
| Am I gonna pin gap them? | ||
| What am I gonna do? | ||
| I love that chess match too, you know, between you and the animal. | ||
| It's the same as a fight and I actually like, when I got my bow, it was probably June or July and I started shooting it and I was like, Yeah, I'm not doing this this fall. | ||
| I'm gonna get good. | ||
| So I took a year and a half basically of full training before I even did any archery hunting. | ||
| Do you have an archery coach? | ||
| I don't have a coach, no, but I watched all the Knocked On, School of Knock. | ||
| So I watched tons of film on that. | ||
| Dudley's the man. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| It's so funny because there's not that many people I look up to. | ||
| But him, I'm like, dude, this guy, he's the man. | ||
| I think it was last year, he killed four bulls in four different states. | ||
| I'm like, dude... | ||
| I need to do that. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| But I just thought that was the coolest thing. | ||
| When I go to Lancaster, they help me a ton. | ||
| So they help me get set up correctly and things like that, which now when I tell people who ask me about it, who are interested in doing archery, I say, the most important thing is Go to a good archery shop and get set up and have them teach you good fundamentals. | ||
| You can tinker with everything. | ||
| But you don't want to learn bad initially and then have to unlearn it. | ||
| Yeah, all the other stuff, tinkering, what do you want to use for a release or stabilizer? | ||
| Just get set up, get your draw link correct, get your peep height, get everything put on, get your grip right, and have a good starting point and good foundation. | ||
| And then you can kind of go from From there, you're going to be on so much better trajectory if you're learning incorrectly from the jump. | ||
| So I was able to learn correctly from the beginning. | ||
| And then it's the same thing with striking. | ||
| I just apply everything I know with wrestling, and now that's hunting and archery for me. | ||
| And I freaking love it. | ||
| All I want to do is go fight people and knock them out and go chase elk. | ||
| Yeah, that's awesome, man. | ||
| What kind of broadheads are you using? | ||
| So I've been using Rage Hypodermic. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| They get the job done. | ||
| That's what I shot that bull with. | ||
| I mean, it was a frontal shot straight through the heart, so any broadhead would have done the trick. | ||
| But I don't know, man. | ||
| I'm always open to, like, learning new things. | ||
| I think there's different reasons to use different types of broadheads, right? | ||
| Like, I shoot a... | ||
| 80 pounds, and I have a pretty long draw length, so mechanical, like I'm not that worried about penetration. | ||
| But, you know, in a longer shot or a follow-up shot, I have iron wheels as well for a longer follow-up where I'm more worried about something like that. | ||
| And then, you know, like I said, it's going to be different for every animal, for every situation, so I think some people get so stuck on, like, This is the way to go. | ||
| It's like, well, I mean, it's different for everybody. | ||
| Like, if I have a 30 and a half inch draw, it's going to be different than somebody with a 27 inch draw. | ||
| It's going to be different than somebody shooting 65 versus 80 pounds. | ||
| It's like, you know, it's all, so I'm not married to anything, really. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And what kind of release are you using? | ||
| Eyes and Knock to it. | ||
| Thumb release. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Can't go wrong. | ||
| No, I feel like, so I wasn't originally using the index release, but once I started using the thumb release, I just got so much more accuracy and consistency, and it was like, I mean, that was just, to me, the way to go. | ||
| Yeah, I killed my bull last one with a knock to it. | ||
| I think it's just, it's such a great release, and I really do like the two fingers, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do you use the Silverback at all? | ||
| I used to. | ||
| I trained with that. | ||
| Just for training? | ||
| I learned how to really shoot correctly. | ||
| That's what John put me on initially. | ||
| Yeah, so I have one. | ||
| I haven't really set it up because you've got to fiddle with it a little bit to get the poundage right and all that. | ||
| But I feel like I wouldn't use it for hunting, but I want to use it for training and stuff. | ||
| It's very good to make sure that you're pulling hard against the back wall and get a full, clean release with the follow-through. | ||
| It's the best feeling. | ||
| I love that, man. | ||
| But I've hunted with it, too. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| Yeah, Jocko hunts with that. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of guys still like to hunt with it, but, you know. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Dude, I would love to go out with you guys. | ||
| I think a guy said, I know a guy who, his name's Rick. | ||
| I don't know if he owns a place or has a connection in Utah. | ||
| Yeah, Rick Wood. | ||
| Rick, yeah, okay. | ||
| He asked me to come out with you guys this last fall, but I already had my New Mexico hunt set up. | ||
| But dude, it would be fun. | ||
| I would just freaking hang out and pack out. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be fun. | ||
| It's going to be really fun. | ||
| But listen, brother, I really appreciate you coming in here. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| I'm very excited about what you're doing, and I'm really excited about your future. | ||
| So it's been cool to talk to you, and I can't wait to see you in April. | ||
| Thank you, Jar. | ||
| UFC 300. Let's go. | ||
| Let's get it, baby. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Tell everybody you have an interesting Instagram handle. | ||
| They might not be able to find it. | ||
| Yeah, you can find me at NoBickle1. | ||
| Instead of Bo Nickel, No Bickle. | ||
| How'd that happen? | ||
| So it was kind of funny. | ||
| When I was in high school, that was when Instagram kind of started getting big. | ||
| And I was trying to figure out what I want. | ||
| I was just going to do Bo Nickel or something in my butt. | ||
| Is there a Bo Nickel out there? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But my buddy, his name is Jack. | ||
| He was like, how about No Bickle? | ||
| And I was like, dude, that's it. | ||
| So I can't take credit for the idea, but I just vented with that one. | ||
| Well, it works. | ||
| All right, dude. | ||
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| Thanks for coming in here. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
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Thanks, Jim. | |
| All right. |
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