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Joe Rogan Experience #150 - Bryan Callen (Part Two)
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joe rogan
All of a sudden pull back.
bryan callen
I don't even know if it's corruption.
I think it's a...
joe rogan
You don't know if it's corruption.
bryan callen
No, in other words, what I mean is I just think that the system in place is the only way you...
Yeah, that's what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, so, I mean, they're not going to fix that system if that system has made them billions of dollars.
They're going to do whatever meager patchwork they need to do within their lifetime.
Yeah.
To keep on the majority of the wealth that they've acquired.
bryan callen
Like I've said before, try getting rid of a law now.
Try.
joe rogan
Just try.
unidentified
There's a whole cottage industry going on.
joe rogan
Let's step outside of the boundaries because I tire of these questions and these things.
And one of the reasons why I tire of it is because everyone seems to have some sort of a position in this machine and everyone is describing all the varieties of issues within You know, these positions of these different statements and different belief systems that everybody has subscribed to when it comes to this world and how everything runs.
What's the ideal way to do it?
If you were a guy, and I know that you've thought of this, if you were a guy that could stop everything and figure out how to make an even system, what would you do?
How would you engineer it?
If someone came up to you and said, listen, dude, we're going to let you go on television.
You have a year to formulate a plan.
I think you're a smart guy and I think this is what the world needs.
The world needs a smart dude who thinks out of the box.
You get together.
You have one year.
Come up with a fucking plan as to how to redistribute the whole thing.
How to re-figure out where the money gets stored and what the money is based on.
What are acceptable interest rates?
bryan callen
I would probably start with a flat tax.
And what I mean by that is I would have, no matter who you are, where you stand, you pay 30%.
You pay 30% across the board.
So instead of having 6,000 pages of taxes, I know there are problems with it, but for the most part, I'd make it as fair as possible.
It may not be as fair to, you know, rich people pay more, they're going to pay more ultimately, but, you know, poor people still have to pay 30%.
Right now, a lot of poor people don't pay any taxes at all.
Maybe that's good.
joe rogan
See, this is where I would step in.
bryan callen
The tax code is so fucking complicated that I might just say, flat tax across the board.
No matter who you are, you pay 30% of your income.
joe rogan
That's it.
I think if you are poor and you are struggling, you should have to pay much less.
And I think that a guy like me should have to pay more.
I agree with that.
I think it's a creepy argument.
This is the caveat, though.
If I believed that it was being spent wisely.
If I believe that that was the answer, and I don't.
bryan callen
This brings me back to the original question.
I don't believe there's any way.
I don't believe that any large bureaucracy, I don't care if it's a corporation, especially not the U.S. government because there's no accountability and you don't have to have a bottom line.
You don't have to produce a profit.
There's no marketplace telling you you go out of business.
Since, what was it, 1960, fucking That is a problem.
joe rogan
It's a business and there's no competition.
bryan callen
How many Fortune 500s of the 500 companies that were in existence when they started tracking the Fortune 500, how many are in existence since 1967?
How many are in existence of the 500?
I believe eight are still running.
Companies go out of business all the fucking time.
Why?
They just run out of product.
joe rogan
Inspiration, leadership.
bryan callen
That's how it goes.
joe rogan
And guess what?
bryan callen
It leaves room for another startup.
Guess where that hasn't happened?
The pharmaceutical industries.
They're so fucking big that they control the FDA. A whole other story.
So the point is this.
My feeling My feeling is that the only way – you are always going to have private – look at the military industrial complex.
You're always going to have private sector people manipulating tax dollars and government agencies to their benefit.
And as a result, it's impossible for the government not to get involved in the marketplace.
It's impossible.
You don't have a free market.
You don't have a market system anymore, especially not in the banking industry.
It's been regulated since fucking 1900. So what I would do, very simply, is I'd have a flat tax and I would ultimately get rid of all subsidies.
All.
Except for Medicare, Medicaid, and including Social Security, I would overhaul in that I would find out who deserves fucking Medicare.
There are a lot of very wealthy people who get it.
joe rogan
This show has all of a sudden become a really boring political show.
You sit down and debate the issues.
I'm sorry, but it goes on forever.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
You got real specific with your points, and I'm starting to fade out.
unidentified
We should talk about the corruption in Avon corporations.
Avon?
joe rogan
Those pink cars?
unidentified
Yeah, those pink cars.
bryan callen
Every time you talk about corruption, I think, to bring it down to a general thing people don't understand, I think...
You know, you just got to realize that, just always ask yourself, how the fuck would I react in that situation?
If you really learn about the stuff, a lot of this shit is...
You get into these guys, get into the stuff, and you're like, that guy's fucking evil.
And in movies, you see the evil guy with the black hat.
Shit's always way more complicated and way more fucking gray than that.
joe rogan
Well, it's also because corporate...
You've seen the documentary The Corporation, right?
Where they detail how corporations act as sociopaths.
They act as psychopaths.
They act as people who don't care about the repercussions because there's a diffusion of responsibility because there's a million people in the corporation.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
Deep shit, guys.
I think when I look at what's going on right now, I see a bunch of different factors.
And the big factor that I think is not being paid as much attention to in all of this is that...
The whole problem is the access to information, and that the system has always been corrupt, and the system has always been run unfairly, but we didn't know it.
We didn't know it the way we know it now, and the access to information is unprecedented now, and because of that, people are starting to exchange information, and because of this access to information and social networking, they're allowed to do it in real time.
And they're organized.
bryan callen
It's also easy to manipulate information.
That's the irony of it.
You have so much access to information, it's really easy to manipulate.
You see political parties do that shit all the time.
joe rogan
Sure, of course.
Eventually, there's going to be something that allows people to know whether something or not is true.
And that's when things are going to get really strange.
And it's really not that big of a deal.
To be able to exclude disinformation and incorrect information, to have some way of proving things to be factually correct, It's incredible.
There's going to eventually be a very clear system of finding out what is true and what is not true.
It's going to be very easy to detect what is propaganda, what is actual fact, and you're going to be able to know it in real time.
And when that happens, then it's going to be way harder to pull off corruption.
bryan callen
Well, that's what I just keep wondering.
I always find myself asking, are things going to get better in 20 years, worse?
How about 40 years?
unidentified
It's better.
joe rogan
Listen, man, here's what everybody's woe is mean about, man.
There was a study recently that I tweeted that talked about violence.
It was a Kurzweil study.
Violence is at an all-time low per capita.
People are much less violent.
Life today is much safer than it's ever been at any other time in human history.
Things are getting better.
It's just right now, I think we are in the process of a birth.
We're in the process of another stage, and it's really close to bottlenecking.
The influx of technology and information into the world of the monkey is so complete right now and we are biologically struggling to keep up with all this new shit that's going on around us all the time and all this new information and all these new challenges and all this...
You know, these new issues that are presenting themselves to us and it's happening because of technology.
bryan callen
Yeah, it almost feels like, you know, they're talking about the planet and it's warming and all that stuff.
I always feel like, is that essentially like the idea that we keep growing as like literally an organism where we're going to have to mesh with machines just to survive in an environment?
It's all kind of part of it, you know?
joe rogan
Well, there's also the idea that machines are a life form in and of itself.
unidentified
They are.
joe rogan
They are.
I've always said this.
I'm stupid.
I keep old computers.
I have an old gray, one of those tan Apple fucking towers that's in my garage somewhere.
It doesn't work anymore.
I have an old laptop with a little track wheel on it.
That doesn't work anymore either.
Those are skeletons.
Those are dead animals.
Those are things that they're predecessors, or rather they are the predecessors from today's sleek laptops.
They're old, shitty, they're clunky, they make weird noises when you turn them on.
They are essentially the monkeys in comparison to us.
I think it's real possible that if we do have some sort of an artificial intelligence and we do create a life form out of computers that is able to recreate other life forms, I think that's probably the next stage.
We personally think that it's so important that we continue this animal struggle with emotions and sperm and eggs.
bryan callen
Well, biology as we know it.
joe rogan
Well, biology as we know it might be a hoax.
bryan callen
We're creating our own biology.
joe rogan
We might be much more comfortable inside of a robot body.
bryan callen
I was going to say, but human beings, it seems, are on the verge of actually creating a whole new kind of synthetic biology that we're going to be able to mesh with.
Who's to say that that synthetic biology can't be just as...
joe rogan
Way better!
bryan callen
...or better.
joe rogan
Way better, man.
This is like, what we have is like an old car that's made out of cardboard.
bryan callen
That's it.
joe rogan
And we're on our way to building some fucking carbon fiber, you know, fiber optic laced electronic fucking mid-engine beast.
And we're constructing it.
bryan callen
If you have ears that can hear a mile away, I'll take it.
joe rogan
The problem is it keeps raining and our fucking cardboard house is slowly falling apart.
unidentified
We're like, Jesus Christ, hurry up, fix this cardboard car.
joe rogan
The cardboard car is all fucked up and the new car is not ready yet.
It's a matter of whether or not we can complete our cycle of technology and artificial intelligence and then combine with it before we blow ourselves up.
bryan callen
Very, very smart people are re-engineering, reverse engineering the brain, the eardrum, the eye, the red blood cell.
We just reverse engineered the red blood cell of a dog.
And that means that if you reverse engineer it and you know exactly how it works, you can make a replica of it with synthetic material, which would be a nanobot because it's about that big.
So nanotechnology and then re-replicating what you just reverse engineered, if you can do that.
Then it is clear and it follows...
By the way, we're also doing it with an eye, we're doing it with an eardrum, etc.
If you can do that, well, when is the brain...
They're already working on trying to reverse engineer the brain.
It really fucking raises really cool questions.
It really does, man.
Because if you can do that and you can create a machine...
joe rogan
It's the Blade Runner question.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
When does it become a person, you know?
What's her name in Blade Runner?
Daryl Hannah.
When she cried, when she was sad, didn't you feel sad for her?
She's beautiful.
She's a robot.
The robot that wants some dick.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And she can kill you.
bryan callen
I got so hot.
If you fuck a robot that's really lifelike, is that cheating?
joe rogan
Yes.
And it's going to happen.
It's going to happen because the robot's going to go to your house and kill your wife because your wife wants to unplug it.
Yeah, robots have emotions, bro.
They build them in.
If they build in an emotion...
If they're going to build in something that's going to be kind to you, the only way kindness counts is if you earn it.
Kindness, if you're just an emperor and you walk in and everybody just sucks your dick, after a while that shit gets boring.
You know, the yin and the yang of things is there for a reason.
You have to have struggle in order to appreciate the good times.
You cannot...
I don't appreciate relaxing unless I put in hard work.
I really don't.
bryan callen
But that's the biggest question with a lot of computer scientists who are saying, when these robots develop will...
Which means when you say that, when they develop consciousness, meaning they are conscious of their own existence, the nature of anything that is conscious of its own existence, or even just having its own existence, whether it's a cancer cell, an ant, or a human being, is that you want to replicate and stay alive forever.
joe rogan
Right, but those are biological instincts because they're programmed into the world that we operate in.
bryan callen
We are creating...
Computers are going to be essentially the exact, we're mimicking ourselves with machines.
joe rogan
Not necessarily true because there's no benefit to staying alive.
What benefit does the computer have to maintaining consciousness?
If there's no cells or genetics or hormones That's interesting.
bryan callen
And you're never going to die anyway.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter anyway.
The computer should be smart enough to know, go ahead, shut me off, bitch.
I'm here forever.
bryan callen
It doesn't matter.
What about when they start making computers that are smarter than them and all that?
joe rogan
Well, they become infinitely smart almost immediately.
bryan callen
I think that people always say, well, they're going to have respect for our biological heritage.
And what they don't realize is we're going to be changing, too.
We're going to be changing too.
When you start talking about computers being this advanced, you're talking about human beings because I'm going to tell you right now, as soon as I got a biocompatible machine that I can download information into, etc., You're going to have it in your body.
joe rogan
Well, I'm attached already to my fucking phone.
My phone is a part of me.
When I leave my house and I don't have my iPhone, I feel like I'm missing a part of my body.
And, you know, if you read Tim Ferriss' book, did you read the part about having a cell phone in your pocket, how it cooks your fucking balls?
Well, one of the things that he did was he did a test on his sperm count, and he did a test...
And he found out that his sperm count was fairly low, and he's in really good shape, and he's young, and he was like, what the fuck is going on?
So then he starts doing all this reading on different studies, and one of the things he comes to is studies about cell phone usage and keeping your cell phone in your front pocket and how it affects your sperm count.
The radiation from your fucking cell phone diminishes your sperm count.
Yeah, he doesn't even carry it on him anymore.
He shuts it off and puts it in his pocket.
bryan callen
I never talk it with my ear.
Good.
joe rogan
Anyway, but I have it in my pocket all the time.
And he said that he took the time off, stopped having the phone in his pocket, and started eating Brazil nuts.
Apparently they have zinc in them, and they're very healthy for bringing back your sperm count.
bryan callen
By the way, just a misnomer for everybody listening, Brazil nuts can also be very, very allergic.
And Brian is allergic.
My mother will die if she eats one.
If I eat one, my whole throat closes up.
joe rogan
I'm going to eat some right in front of you.
How do you feel about that?
bryan callen
Brazil nuts are good, but just make sure you're not allergic.
joe rogan
Yeah, so good call.
So either way, take zinc supplements or do whatever the fuck Ferris did, and by taking the phone out of his pocket, he radically increased his sperm count.
bryan callen
That's scary.
That's a really good book.
I didn't read that.
Was that in the sex chapter?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know what chapter it's in.
I read it on the toilet.
So I pick it up and I read it.
And since I've been eating so well, my toilet trips have been shorter and shorter.
I used to, you know, when I was just eating straight meat, Brock Lesnar style, I would take these giant dinosaur shits that would take 20 minutes.
And just like R.H. Fierce Jug, my legs would go numb, my feet would go numb, I'd have a hard time standing up.
But I've been drinking this kale shake I make every morning now.
unidentified
It's good shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I cut it with this crazy Vitamix blender.
I throw in cucumbers and kale.
Man, I feel so good.
bryan callen
So good for you.
joe rogan
You have so much energy.
It's really amazing.
bryan callen
I do cashews, goji berries, some almonds, strawberries, blueberries, and then some hemp seed and protein powder and almond milk.
And you feel fucking amazing.
I do that too.
I'll do Dr. Schultz Superfood, which is this awesome kelp green thing.
I'm telling you, man, I have energy for days.
It's just incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Diet is so goddamn important.
It's one of the things that...
And by the way, I know food tastes fucking delicious.
I'm the first guy.
After a comedy show especially, we'll go to Cantor's and I'll have a giant fucking pastrami rubin with french fries.
bryan callen
It's all fine as long as you're getting the nutrition you need.
Most people are walking around malnourished, I think.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And then they eat shit food.
bryan callen
The way this country eats is the fucking madness.
joe rogan
You got it.
And not just vitamins either.
I used to try to just do it with vitamins.
And I think multivitamins are important.
I think it's important to recommend...
I don't know if like...
I think certain people with certain demands have higher demands, especially if you're an athlete.
If you're doing a lot of jujitsu, when people say what you need for your recommended daily requirement of vitamins and protein and all that stuff, I always look at them and I go, okay, but what are you doing physically?
Are you doing what I'm doing, man?
Because I'm fighting for my life.
And I don't think people understand that.
I did a thing, I'm in men's fitness this month.
There's a thing on my workout.
They did this whole thing on my kettlebell workout and Steve Maxwell's in town and we're working out this weekend together too.
I'm super excited about that this week.
I'm going to do some hardcore kettlebell drills.
People don't fucking realize how hard some people work out.
And I don't work out nearly as hard as a guy like Cain Velasquez does or a guy like George St. Pierre does.
I just simply don't put in the amount of sessions in a week that they do.
But when I do do it, I go fucking all out and you can't do that and just eat spaghetti.
You can't do that and not have vitamins and not have protein.
One of the things that I've done over the course of being involved in combat sports since I was literally a child I haven't had a moment since I was 14 years old that I wasn't learning or practicing some type of martial art.
It became an obsession super early in my life.
There's a direct correlation to me with good performance, good movement, healthy body, mind, spirit, and diet.
When I've eaten shit foods...
bryan callen
Tim Ferriss was talking about it.
He said food is a drug, and the way you combine it, the kind of food you take in, it will react within your body exactly the way a drug will.
Either it will have a positive hormonal effect, a negative hormonal effect.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is good food...
There's a lot of shit foods, food that's got very little nutrients, but goddamn it tastes good!
You know, I have pineapple and anchovy pizza.
It's one of my big fucking problems.
I got a problem.
I like double pineapple, double anchovies.
Sure, that's filled with arsenic and all kinds of creepy fucking shit in that ocean.
That ocean's just filled with heavy metal poison.
And anyway, I got a real problem.
But after I eat it, I feel like shit.
I always feel like I got harpooned, like I got shot with some animal tranquilizer.
bryan callen
I think that the way to start eating better is, first of all, to educate yourself and start eating better, but then just start noticing the difference.
Because what happens is you start getting a pleasurable response when you eat well and what's good for your body, and a negative response when you go out and eat a whole pizza at pizza or whatever.
You won't feel as good as if you have a shake I was just talking about.
joe rogan
Well, my point was, this is my point.
My point is, in all my years, I've done it both ways.
I've done it where I eat shit food, and I've done it where I eat really good food.
And when I do it when I eat really good food, I have a different body.
It's that simple.
It works way better.
It just works way better.
Nobody, before they get into the UFC, eats fucking three Carl's Junior, you know, bacon cheeseburgers and fries and a large coke.
You just don't do that.
Because if you do, your body's going to perform like shit.
You know why?
Because your body's fighting off poison.
Your body's in a war to process all this shit.
Saturated fats and trans fats.
That's fats with dicks, right Brian?
Yes That's Brian Cowan's favorite Hey guys I was just kidding about Making out with the transvestite And my friends Somebody needs to Create a guide for life And have all these different Ideas in there And one of them is going to be the importance of diet and exercise.
And even though I know a lot of smart fucking people, I know so many intelligent people who are really super creative and really interesting.
They don't take care of their fucking shell.
bryan callen
It's amazing.
joe rogan
They don't take care of their body, man.
It's amazing to me.
They don't understand.
And they'll look at you like you're frivolous or like you're, you know...
bryan callen
Well, there's a lot of negative connotations.
They'll call you a health nut.
joe rogan
Sure.
bryan callen
Oh, you're a health nut.
Oh, yeah.
Or you're an exercise freak.
Well, no.
joe rogan
Well, you're narcissistic is the implication.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah, no.
I just know that I feel way better and I'm way more productive when I'm like this.
I'm not going to have a belly when I'm fucking, you know...
45, 50, 55, you know, whatever.
joe rogan
They say a certain percentage of people have chimpanzee DNA. I have chimpanzee DNA. I mean, not just chimpanzee DNA, rather, Neanderthal DNA. There's no question about it.
I got some Neanderthal in my past.
There's no doubt about it.
There's like a certain percentage of humans, some large number.
unidentified
Really?
That's interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We somehow or another assimilated with Neanderthals.
They didn't used to think that, but they think that now.
bryan callen
Is that people who are just muscular, like stronger?
joe rogan
I don't know.
No, I think that has to do with what part of environment your DNA comes from.
Whether your family were Sicilian peasants that are carrying rocks all day.
bryan callen
Ectomorphs.
Mesomorphs.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
And endomorphs seem to be a function of society and diet.
And also, one of the things they're finding out is stress from inside the womb.
If the mother, during pregnancy, is malnourished in any way, the kid has an inclination to hold on to carbs and fats.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, there was another part of that Zeitgeist thing that was really interesting.
A lot of that Zeitgeist, the part that I watched, I only watched the first 15 minutes or so, and what was really interesting about it was all the different things they were talking about, about health and cancer.
And illnesses.
And about people who develop breast cancer.
There's like a gene.
A lot of people get breast cancer and they can find that gene and say, you are susceptible to breast cancer.
Well, people who have breast cancer, only 3 out of 10 have that gene.
7 out of 10 don't have that gene.
And they're trying to figure out, well, what is it that causes people to get cancer?
What is it that causes people to have violent behavior?
Well, are there genes for violent behavior?
Yes, there are.
But you know what they're realizing?
People who have been abused at childhood have a different genetic structure than people who haven't been abused.
bryan callen
So their body reboots or jacks.
joe rogan
So your genetic structure can change.
Your body changes to deal with this horrible environment and this horrible hand that you've been dealt with.
bryan callen
It's like an immediate evolution or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the system is all set up to respond to whatever is coming in.
bryan callen
It makes sense, though.
I was talking to John Brankis, who does that show, Sports Science.
And they were talking about VO Max, and they tried to tire Cain Velasquez out, and they had him running.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a beast.
bryan callen
They couldn't get his heart rate over 165. He's a beast.
No matter what they did, they couldn't.
Yeah, you're fucked with that guy.
Some people have a certain genetic structure where they can utilize oxygen better, but a lot of it's also repetition and practice, and your body is incredibly adaptive.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wouldn't have that kind of cardio if he didn't train.
Definitely, he's got some freak genetics.
But guess what?
A lot of Mexicans do.
A lot of Mexicans have amazing endurance.
Julio Cesar Chavez was known for barely training, and he had amazing endurance.
In some of his fights, he would just come in and beat the fuck out of guys, break them down, the pace that he put on guys.
bryan callen
He would never clench.
joe rogan
Rip your body.
bryan callen
I just saw a documentary on him.
joe rogan
Gilbert Melendez is the Strikeforce lightweight champion.
He's a Mexican dude.
Amazing endurance.
This kid is known for just putting it on people.
And he has even said that he thinks that part of his endurance is genetic.
He obviously works as hard as any professional athlete on the planet.
bryan callen
But those long-distance runners come from Peru and stuff like that.
joe rogan
But that's a different activity.
bryan callen
In Peru, I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Different activity.
Long distance running is all cardio.
It's a different kind of cardio that you have in fighting where you have anaerobic all mixed in together.
That's like real combat sort of cardio.
It's a different kind of cardio.
bryan callen
I was talking about, somebody asked me why I love MMA so much.
Why you like MMA? It's the rawest form of competition.
joe rogan
Was this a girl or a guy that was asking this question?
bryan callen
It was a girl.
joe rogan
You grab her by the nape of the hair in the back of her neck and you just gently wrap your cock around her lips.
bryan callen
Slap!
Slap!
joe rogan
And then put it back in her pants.
Don't even have her suck it.
Just put it back in her pants.
Just to just out for the fuck out of her.
bryan callen
Naughty girl.
joe rogan
You dirty bitch.
Why do I like what?
bryan callen
But it's just so...
I just got a little bit of a boner just now.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
bryan callen
It's literally like it's the rawest form of competition.
Of course.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, that movie Warrior did not get its fair shake.
You were in Warrior and you had a great role.
It was a fun role.
But that movie did not get its fair shake.
That was a great movie, man.
bryan callen
It was a great movie, man.
joe rogan
It wasn't even factual.
You know, it was silly.
They fought for two days in a row and it was a crazy tournament.
But that didn't matter.
Just the story itself.
And maybe they could have worked around that where they didn't have a two-day tournament or whatever.
But it didn't matter.
The story and the movie worked.
It was a good movie.
bryan callen
It was decent.
joe rogan
It was a good movie, man.
bryan callen
It was great.
joe rogan
Very few what-the-fuck moments.
bryan callen
I like to do shows nobody watches, like Death Valley, by the way.
That's on tonight.
joe rogan
Is it on tonight?
On Monday at 11. Nobody's watching it?
bryan callen
No, but it's a great show, man.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
What are the numbers?
bryan callen
Watch it tonight.
joe rogan
I told you I'd do it.
I want to play a werewolf, man.
bryan callen
You're going to.
If we get picked up, I already talked to them.
They'd love the idea.
They're like, Joe Rogan, play a werewolf.
It'll be awesome.
joe rogan
Dude, I'd love to play a werewolf.
bryan callen
You get to do your own stunts and everything.
joe rogan
How good are the special effects?
I don't want to play it.
bryan callen
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
I watched Ginger Snaps last night.
bryan callen
No, dude, they're unbelievable.
joe rogan
Somebody told me to rent Ginger Snaps.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Dude, it's a good werewolf movie.
It's kind of funny.
For a long time, it's pretty funny.
It's about two girls that are going through high school, and they're loners.
They're kind of outsiders, and they're sisters, and they're kind of goth.
And one of them gets bit by a werewolf.
It's pretty fucking funny.
There's a lot of good stuff to it.
Up until you see the werewolf.
And it's like...
Jesus Christ, did you have any budget?
I mean, it looks like they took a balloon and drew a werewolf scary face on the balloon and stuck it in your face.
Like, that's the wolf, man.
It's so bad.
bryan callen
Death Valley's got some great special effects, man.
I'm proud of the show.
I really am.
I think it's really funny.
joe rogan
And it's on MTV what time?
bryan callen
MTV at 11 o'clock on Monday.
joe rogan
Death Valley.
bryan callen
Tonight!
Watch it tonight!
unidentified
I'm scheduling it on my phone right now.
joe rogan
I ain't scared.
And I think tomorrow we got Josh McDermott.
Josh is supposed to be doing it.
Because we started doing this thing from the Ice House, live at the Ice House.
And it's broken up into two parts.
One part is on my iTunes, on the Joe Rogan Experience.
And the other part is on Death Squad.
And Death Squad is the one that Brian runs.
And what it essentially is...
It's all of our friends that have podcasts, like Tom Segura.
We're talking Brian Callen who's doing one.
He's going to do one now, too.
bryan callen
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
Sam Tripoli does it.
All these different people do it.
And we decided that would be a good way to also promote Death Squad.
So we have it set up.
bryan callen
I'm going to do it on Red Band's whole thing.
Death Squad, yeah.
unidentified
And we start Brendan Walsh this week, too.
bryan callen
I think when I'm going to start my podcast, I'm just going to ask them like 10 really good questions.
joe rogan
You don't even have to do that, man.
You're a conversationalist.
Just anything that's interesting to you, just sit down and talk about it.
bryan callen
I'll let it go there, yeah.
joe rogan
You should have a podcast.
There's no doubt about it.
You're a fascinating dude.
And it's going to be fun.
And it helps you evolve ideas.
And people call you on your bullshit.
And it helps you...
It also helps you realize how many times you repeat the same things over and over again, how many subjects you obsess on, and it becomes a normal part of your everyday life.
But when you start trying to pump that out of the podcast, people are like, bitch, I heard that already.
Stop fucking freaking out about the same thing every goddamn week.
You've got to evolve, man.
Well, we talked about Occupy Wall Street three times in a row now, but I think...
We're also doing it with different people just to sort of get their different reactions because I think this is a pretty important part of human history right now.
unidentified
I think it's funny that you both said that you really like Daniel Day...
What's his name again?
joe rogan
Daniel Day-Lewis.
brian redban
Yeah, yeah, because that comes up with all your friends and you guys all sitting out here working out and talking about Daniel Day-Lewis.
unidentified
I guess it comes down to...
Every time I do Knuckles Up, by the way, I can't get you out of my head, so that kind of sucks.
joe rogan
Don't give away my material.
That's my closing bit.
bryan callen
It comes down to people.
What inspires you is not even so much the person, but the effort.
When you see that kind of fucking effort from me, too, it's like you're like, holy fuck, you go beyond yourself there.
joe rogan
I don't really like soccer, but if I see a badass soccer player and you show me a clip online, I'll watch him do his thing.
bryan callen
Did you see that guy, by the way, in South Africa riding his mountain bike?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
And he got hit by that antelope?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
He got hit by a buck with the horns.
And then he landed on his head.
And he was making those I've been knocked out noises like...
That's the noises that you make when you get severely concussed.
bryan callen
That's when you know also you feel the weight and power of a 440 pound antler.
joe rogan
Running full clip, hitting you with its fucking horns.
bryan callen
They don't fuck around.
joe rogan
And then he just kept running.
He said, oh, whoops, I hit a guy and a bike.
bryan callen
No big deal.
Was that an accident or was he trying?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it was an accident.
He was running.
He happened to be sprinting.
And as they're coming down, and he just timed it shitty.
bryan callen
Oh, man.
joe rogan
And slammed into them.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck Africa, dude.
Africa can suck my dick.
unidentified
Why?
bryan callen
Because they got insects the size of your fucking forearm?
joe rogan
Well, how about the parasites?
Forget about the insects you can see.
How about, oh, whoops, I washed my toe and I actually had a hangnail and some shit got inside of it and it camped out of my body and grew and made a chain all the way to my brain and started sucking brain juice out of my big toe.
And I went to the doctor.
I was like, why is my big toe leaking?
Oh, that's cerebral spinal fluid.
Oh, what the fuck's going on?
Oh, there's a pipeline between your fucking brain and your toe.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Created by some parasite.
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
I just made it up.
But maybe it could be true.
unidentified
I like it.
joe rogan
There's plenty of shit inside Africa that can fuck you up.
bryan callen
Been to Africa twice.
I remember I was a kid and I was in Africa and it was dark out and we were staying in this place where there were the grounds.
You could walk around and I was going to walk around and my father goes, you're not walking around there.
Because this is Africa.
You see a fence around here?
They're lying just over there, you idiot.
joe rogan
Jesus fucking Christ.
bryan callen
You don't have a dog in your backyard in Africa, for example.
joe rogan
We've been banging around the idea of cell phones, how when you buy a cell phone, you don't realize how much fucking slave labor is involved.
Is there a karma-free cell phone?
Is there a cell phone you can buy where you don't have to worry about the labor being slave labor?
You don't have to worry about the minerals mined under treacherous conditions where people...
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
Sorry.
Those minerals, they're all from the fucking Congo, man.
I was watching Vice Guide to the Congo.
Have you seen that yet?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
They started releasing Vice Guide to the Congo?
bryan callen
They're all about it.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Is that a fucking crazy part of the world when you actually watch it?
bryan callen
That is truly, truly hell on earth for some of those villages.
It's more than Mad Max.
Joseph Kony, who runs the Lord's Resistance Army, About 200-300 vicious killers who do all kinds of horrible things.
They just massacre villages.
He's a delusional guy with military-grade weapons.
He's been out there for, God, since the Hutu Rwanda massacre.
And this motherfucker is as bad as it gets, and they do the worst shit in recorded history.
joe rogan
And it's going on right now, 2011. And people don't realize that millions of people have died there.
bryan callen
Oh my god, the Congo, millions.
unidentified
Millions.
joe rogan
It sounds like an exaggeration.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bryan callen
That civil war has seen that Sierra Leone, Liberia to a small extent, and Rwanda has seen some of the most concentrated and ferocious killing in the history of the fucking world.
joe rogan
Whoever you guys are that do that vice guy to travel, all you guys are bad motherfuckers, and I would love to have you guys on the podcast.
If someone knows anybody that knows those guys, somebody knows one of the guys on our message board, but fucking holler at me on Twitter.
Those guys, they've done some wild fucking trips, man.
The Liberia one is a great one.
The Thailand one, they went to Thailand and picked up ladyboys.
unidentified
Woo!
Woo!
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they went deep.
They went to North Korea.
bryan callen
I was there.
I saw the Lady Boys.
joe rogan
You were just in Thailand for a hangover, too, right?
bryan callen
I dared Zach Galifianakis.
No, I dared.
I was with Zach Galifianakis and Brody Stevens, and we were watching the Lady Boys, and some of them are as good-looking as the girl I was making out with from my earlier story, my friend, or better.
unidentified
Softer lips?
bryan callen
And I said to Brody, I go, dude, if you have any guts at all, you will take that girl home and bang her.
I know it's a guy, but you don't have the stones.
Of course, he didn't do it, but she was like...
unidentified
Gorgeous.
Wow.
joe rogan
Scary world out there.
Did you like Thailand?
Did you think you could leave the country?
Me and you and a couple other dudes.
This is the thing.
We hit 60. Kids are grown.
Kids leave the house.
We're tired of fucking the wife.
We just get to a certain point where we're like, listen, baby, I love you.
You love me.
I'm just going to live in Thailand for four months out of the year.
bryan callen
I'm going to go get myself a young girl.
joe rogan
Four months out of the year.
Eight months out of the year, I'll stay with you.
bryan callen
I'm going to find an 18-year-old to lie to me and tell me I still have it.
joe rogan
Do whatever you need to do with your trainer.
I don't want to control you in any way.
Just make it happen.
You just give up and you go to fucking Thailand.
That's all you see.
Live like a king.
bryan callen
But that's all you see.
You go down and you see this German tourist with warts and barnacles on his back.
joe rogan
And hot little Thai girls.
bryan callen
He's walking with this adorable 18-year-old pretending she's into him.
It's enough to make you throw up and give you a boner at the same time, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
By the way, I'll be at Winnipeg.
bryan callen
Let me segue.
I'll be at, I think it's Rumors.
I think it's called Rumors at Winnipeg.
joe rogan
In Canada?
bryan callen
This weekend, Winnipeg.
unidentified
That's an awesome name.
joe rogan
Rumors?
Rumors.
unidentified
I heard a rumor.
Joe Rogan was here.
bryan callen
Have you done Calgary?
I'm doing Calgary in November.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did Calgary and we oversold the show so I had 100 people on stage with me.
It was fun.
I had people on either side of me while I was on stage in chairs.
bryan callen
Is it called Yuck Yucks?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I did a theater up there.
bryan callen
Oh, I'm doing Yuck Yucks, I think.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Yeah, they got...
bryan callen
Who was in Yuck Yucks in Calgary and Winnipeg this weekend?
joe rogan
I've only done Yuck Yucks in Vancouver, but it's not Yuck Yucks anymore.
It's another name now, but it's still a dope-ass little club.
Okay.
Vancouver is...
I love Canada.
I love performing in Canada.
unidentified
Canada's amazing.
It's amazing.
bryan callen
I love the people.
joe rogan
20% less douchebags in America.
bryan callen
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Great people.
bryan callen
Fun people.
Great people.
Polite.
joe rogan
Yeah, nice as fuck.
I wish it didn't get so cold up there.
bryan callen
And they get the funny.
They get it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, they're smart.
bryan callen
I want to move the fuck.
joe rogan
Better educated.
bryan callen
Let's move the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Generally better educated than Americans are, I think, across the board.
Especially in Toronto and Vancouver and Montreal.
Yeah, so is Montreal.
They're amazing cities.
bryan callen
I love Montreal.
joe rogan
That's the end of the show.
The fuck?
I don't know any other way to end it.
That's it.
bryan callen
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
Just end it like this.
unidentified
Thanks for having me on.
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bryan callen
I do my best.
Sorry about my sex stories.
joe rogan
They were great.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you apologizing?
Don't apologize for being yourself, dude.
bryan callen
You called me whimsical and I love you for it.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
I'm whimsy.
joe rogan
You are.
You're awesome.
You should never change a goddamn thing about you.
You are what you are.
Next time he comes on, we will fucking fly in Jimmy Burke.
It's going to happen.
You need to meet this guy.
He's a hell of a character.
Kelly Carlin, we're going to get to you.
I guarantee you I'll call you soon.
Josh McDermott is coming on.
David Tell moved.
He's going to be doing it next week?
Is it next Tuesday or something like that?
He's on soon too.
Lots more good shit coming up.
This is UFC weekend.
This is only the first of these podcasts we've done this week.
We're going to do another one probably tomorrow.
I don't know who though.
And then we're going to probably do another one on Thursday.
But I'm fucking crazy.
I don't even know who it would be with.
I'm wild, folks.
I'm living by the seat of my pants.
We appreciate everything that you people do.
We appreciate all the positive energy.
We appreciate all you people listening on your fucking treadmills, in your cars, in your gyms, in your life, in your home, while you're cooking, whatever the fuck you're doing, we're with you, bitches.
It's a movement.
We're all together in this.
Jihad!
Did you watch the Muammar Gaddafi videos?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And beating him up and putting a stick in his ass?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they stuffed sticks in his ass.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I recommend it.
They show him beating the shit out of him.
He wasn't bloody and then he became bloody.
bryan callen
Was he dead?
joe rogan
They killed him.
They beat the fuck out of him and killed him.
But they don't show the video of them killing him.
Unfortunately, pussies.
He showed everything else.
Praded him around on top of a car with shoes on him.
The fucking show's ending right now and I'm going into another subject.
Thank you to everybody, and we will see you tomorrow.
Anything else, Brian?
Oh, subscribe to the Death Squad series of podcasts.
Homie made it into the top fucking ten this week for the first time ever.
bryan callen
I will be on that podcast.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Because of a gimmick.
But we got you.
Anyway, you're in.
You fucks.
All right, we love you guys.
We'll see you soon.
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